TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MAY 20, 2021
9:00 A.M.
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09:09:20
09:10:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING CITIZENS OF TAMPA, TAMPA CITY
09:10:32 COUNCIL.
09:10:33 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW COME TO ORDER, MAY 20, 2021
09:10:36 MEETING.
09:10:37 WE WILL HAVE THE INVOCATION.
09:10:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE MICROPHONE IS NOW ON.
09:10:46 RABBI MENDY IS ALWAYS HONORED TO COME HERE AND GIVE THE
09:10:50 INVOCATION AND I AM GLAD TO SEE HIS FACE TODAY.
09:10:53 I WISH HE WOULD BE HERE IN PERSON, HOWEVER.
09:10:55 RABBI MENDY WAS RAISED IN TAMPA, DID HIS ORDINATION IN
09:11:03 BROOKLYN.
09:11:03 THE RABBI WAS HIRED AS THE FIRST JEWISH CHAPLAIN TO WORK
09:11:08 WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT BACK IN 2018.
09:11:11 HE IS A RABBI OF CHABAD CHAI OF SOUTH TAMPA.
09:11:18 THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND GIVING US THE INVOCATION TODAY.
09:11:21 IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING.
09:11:26 FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:11:27 RABBI.
09:11:29 >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:11:31 LET US PRAY.
09:11:33 MASTER OF THE WORLD, LOOK FAVORABLY UPON THIS COUNCIL, THE
09:11:36 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:11:38 BLESS THEM WITH GOOD HEALTH, WISDOM AND COMPASSION THAT THEY
09:11:41 MAY ENACT JUST LAWS ACCORDING TO YOUR WILL.
09:11:44 BLESS OUR DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
09:11:47 LET OUR MEMBERS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CHOSEN BY THOUSANDS OF
09:11:50 PEOPLE WHO HAVE PLACED THEIR FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN THEM TO
09:11:53 MAKE LAWS AND DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF OUR
09:11:56 GREAT CITY.
09:11:57 LET US ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THEY HOLD THE GOD-GIVEN POSITION,
09:12:00 THE PERFORMANCE OF ONE OF THE 7 UNIVERSAL LAWS GIVEN TO
09:12:04 NOAH, THE FATHER OF ALL HUMANITY, TO ENSURE A PEACEFUL AND
09:12:08 MORAL SOCIETY GOVERNED BY THE RULE OF LAW.
09:12:10 BLESS OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE
09:12:13 MILITARY WHO CONSTANTLY SACRIFICE FOR THE FREEDOM WE
09:12:17 CHERISH.
09:12:18 PROTECT THEM.
09:12:18 RETURN THEM SAFELY TO THEIR FAMILIES.
09:12:20 TODAY WE FIND OUR HOME LAND ISRAEL IN CONFLICT, WITH HAMAS
09:12:27 AND GAZA.
09:12:29 THE LOSS OF EACH ONE HUMAN LIFE IS AN UNFATHOMABLE TRAGEDY
09:12:34 AND WE MOURN THE LOSS OF DOZENS OF PEOPLE WHO DIED IN THIS
09:12:37 CONFLICT.
09:12:38 WE PRAY THAT ALL PEOPLES IN THE REGION FIND TRUE PEACE SO
09:12:41 THEY MAY LIVE IN HARMONY WITH EACH OTHER SIDE BY SIDE.
09:12:44 HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, WE TOO ARE STRUGGLING WITH
09:12:46 CONFLICT IN THE FORM OF BIGOTRY, RACISM, ANTI-SEMITISM, AND
09:12:51 HATE IN ANY FORM.
09:12:52 LET US USE THE POWER OF SPEECH TO UNITE AND NEVER DIVIDE.
09:12:57 WE KNOW THAT YOU, DEAR GOD, GIVE US THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE SO
09:13:02 LET US BE MINDFUL OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS.
09:13:05 LET US ALL FIND THE INHERENT GOODNESS IN EACH OTHER AND
09:13:08 POSITIVELY ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER TO FULFILL OUR CHARGE FROM
09:13:11 THE ALMIGHTY TO PERFECT THE WORLDS UNDER HIS SOVEREIGNTY.
09:13:15 IN THIS WAY WE CAN ALL BRING LIGHT IN PLACE OF DARKNESS,
09:13:18 REDEMPTION IN PLACE OF DESPAIR, AND HAPPINESS AND PEACE TO
09:13:22 ALL WHO SEEK IT, AND LET US SAY AMEN.
09:13:25 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
09:13:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU AGAIN, RABBI.
09:13:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:13:45 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:13:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:13:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:13:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:13:52 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:13:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:13:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:13:56 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:13:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE
09:14:02 PUBLIC COMMENT RULES NOW OR GO TO THE ADDENDUM AND APPROVAL
09:14:04 OF THE AGENDA?
09:14:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:14:07 GOOD MORNING.
09:14:08 MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL
09:14:11 ATTORNEY.
09:14:11 TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 20th OF 2021.
09:14:14 WE ARE HERE IN OLD CITY HALL AT 3:15 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
09:14:20 STILL DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY AND THIS
09:14:23 MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE IN-PERSON QUORUM OF
09:14:27 THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AS YOU
09:14:29 JUST HEARD.
09:14:30 HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS MEMBERS OF
09:14:33 THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY THROUGH
09:14:36 VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERENCE REFERRED TO HAVE BY FLORIDA
09:14:40 STATUTES AND RULES AS COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR
09:14:43 CMT.
09:14:44 TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE
09:14:46 EMERGENCY RULES OF PROCEDURE AS ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER
09:14:49 2020-225, AND AS AMENDED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024-09 AND
09:14:55 RESOLUTION 2021-241.
09:14:58 THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH,
09:15:01 LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640,
09:15:04 FRONTIER CHANNEL 15, AND LIVESTREAM ON THE INTERNET AT
09:15:09 TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
09:15:13 NOW, THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO VIRTUALLY
09:15:16 PARTICIPATE IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
09:15:20 FOR INSTANCE, ONE IS BY SENDING WRITTEN COMMENTS BY INTERNET
09:15:24 OR WEB OR COMMENTS BY E-MAIL OR U.S. MAIL, AND TO SPEAK
09:15:27 REMOTELY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT USING CMT.
09:15:33 ALSO TO PARTICIPATE USING CMT AVAILABLE AT OLD CITY HALL.
09:15:36 WITH REGARD TO SPEAKING REMOTELY, ALL THAT INFORMATION IS ON
09:15:42 THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AND YOU CAN ACCESS THAT BY GOING TO
09:15:45 TAMPA.GOV/CITY COUNCIL, ONE WORD, AND THERE YOU WILL FIND
09:15:51 ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS.
09:15:52 NOW, IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE, USING CMT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
09:15:56 PARTICULAR TYPE OF DEVICE.
09:15:57 YOU CANNOT USE A PHONE EXCEPT FOR TALKING FOR PUBLIC
09:16:02 COMMENT.
09:16:02 IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL
09:16:04 SECOND READINGS TODAY, YOU WOULD NEED EITHER A LAPTOP, A
09:16:09 TABLET OR A DESKTOP.
09:16:10 BUT AGAIN, THOSE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE.
09:16:14 NOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO
09:16:16 COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA DEVICE DO HAVE THE OPTION OF
09:16:18 PARTICIPATING VIA CMT WHICH IS BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO THE
09:16:22 PUBLIC BY THE CITY OF TAMPA DURING TODAY'S MEETING HERE AT
09:16:26 OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, ON THE SECOND
09:16:29 FLOOR.
09:16:30 PLEASE NOTE THAT USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE
09:16:34 THIS BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED.
09:16:39 COUNCIL, COMMENTS RECEIVED TO A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HEARD
09:16:43 WHEN IT APPEARS ON THE AGENDA, AND AGAIN, FOR WRITTEN
09:16:45 COMMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUBMITTED, THERE IS A DEADLINE
09:16:48 TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THEM BEFORE COUNCIL, AND PUBLIC
09:16:52 COMMENTS RECEIVED TIMELY BY MAIL, E-MAIL, WEB OR CMT WILL BE
09:16:56 AFFORDED EQUAL CONSIDERATION AS IF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE
09:17:00 MADE IN PERSON.
09:17:02 ONE LAST WORD, PLEASE, TO THE PUBLIC, THAT THE CHAT FUNCTION
09:17:07 ON THE PLATFORM GO TO MEETING IS NOT TO BE USED BY THE
09:17:10 PUBLIC TO COMMUNICATE TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:17:15 I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
09:17:17 IT'S ONLY TO BE USED FOR TECHNICAL ISSUES.
09:17:19 PLEASE DO NOT USE THE CHAT FUNCTION TO COMMUNICATE ANYTHING
09:17:23 OTHER THAN TECHNICAL ISSUE.
09:17:25 THAT BEING SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, I TURN THE MEETING BACK TO
09:17:27 YOU AND I THANK YOU.
09:17:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSEKEEPING THIS
09:17:31 MORNING, GENTLEMEN.
09:17:32 MR. SHELBY, RECEIVED A MEMORANDUM FROM MR. DINGFELDER,
09:17:37 CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FOR 15, 16, 38, 40.
09:17:45 THOSE UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:17:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
09:17:48 IF I CAN CLARIFY MY REQUEST ON THAT.
09:17:51 IN REGARD TO 15 AND 16, I WOULD JUST ASK THE COMMITTEE CHAIR
09:17:55 FOR A SEPARATE VOTE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS.
09:17:58 AND IN REGARD TO ITEM 38, I GOT MY ANSWER YESTERDAY EVENING
09:18:07 FROM MR. BAIRD AND SAL, AND I AM GOOD ON 38.
09:18:14 YOU CAN STRIKE THAT ONE.
09:18:15 IN REGARD TO 40, THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE SCOOTERS.
09:18:18 AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO STAFF REPORTS TO GO OVER
09:18:25 THEIR REPORT BEFORE WE RE-UP THE SCOOTERS.
09:18:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SEE MR. BENNETT WAS IN THE AUDIENCE.
09:18:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE'S HIDING BEHIND MR. SHE WILL BY.
09:18:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU CAN GIVE THE FOLKS A CALL ABOUT THE
09:18:40 STAFF REPORTS.
09:18:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST NEED VIK ON ITEM 40.
09:18:44 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:18:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ALSO HAVE -- MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO
09:18:53 GO DOWN THE LINE, SIR? WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 1 TO BE REMOVED
09:18:57 TO THE JUNE 24th WORKSHOP.
09:19:02 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
09:19:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL REMOVE THAT ITEM.
09:19:09 MOTION BY CITRO, SECOND BY MANISCALCO.
09:19:12 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:19:13 ALL OPPOSED?
09:19:15 MOTION CARRIED.
09:19:23 ALL RIGHT.
09:19:28 MR. SHELBY, DO YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTION FOR
09:19:34 APPROVAL OF MAY 6th?
09:19:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN DO THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
09:19:39 I PROVIDED THOSE RESOLUTIONS TO THE CLERK.
09:19:41 JUST RATIFYING WHAT COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY DONE MAKING THEIR
09:19:44 APPOINTMENTS.
09:19:45 SO WE CAN DO THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
09:19:48 UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO JUST DO IT RIGHT NOW.
09:19:51 YOUR CHOICE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:19:52 IT'S JUST A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
09:19:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GET IT OVER WITH, I'LL MOVE THE
09:20:00 RESOLUTION FOR APPOINTMENTS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL
09:20:03 FROM MAY 6th.
09:20:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.
09:20:06 SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.
09:20:08 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:20:09 OPPOSED?
09:20:10 MOTION CARRIED.
09:20:23 WE HAVE MEMORANDUM OF REMOVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 49.
09:20:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS A 10:30 PUBLIC
09:20:29 HEARING, SO IT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
09:20:31 WE COULD ANNOUNCE IT AT 10:30 AND ACCEPT THAT AT THAT TIME.
09:20:36 CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR NOTICING THE PUBLIC,
09:20:40 IF COUNCIL WISHES TO ACCEPT IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S
09:20:46 CERTAINLY DOABLE AND WE CAN MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ITEM
09:20:49 49 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN WHEN THE TIME COMES.
09:20:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'LL DO IT WHEN WE OPEN.
09:20:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
09:20:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S GO TO CONSENT WITH THE STAFF
09:20:59 REPORTS.
09:21:07 I WANT TO GO DOWN EACH ITEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO
09:21:11 INFORMATION THAT SOMEONE HASN'T SEEN AND TALKED TO, MAKE
09:21:16 SURE FOLKS ARE AVAILABLE, IF NOT LET THEM GO.
09:21:19 ITEM NUMBER 51.
09:21:23 CONTINUE ON THAT.
09:21:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
09:21:27 SPEAK WITH THE MAKER OF THE MOTION SUBSEQUENT TO MAKING THIS
09:21:31 REQUEST FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
09:21:32 I HAD ANTICIPATED MAY 27th AND I AM GOING TO BE ASKING
09:21:36 FOR ADDITIONAL TIME IF COUNCIL DOES ALLOW ME.
09:21:41 IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
09:21:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, THERE'S NO
09:21:47 URGENCY ON THIS.
09:21:49 IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME RESEARCH.
09:21:50 SO I'M OKAY WITH A WORKSHOP, LET'S SIGH, I DON'T KNOW --
09:22:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT, I CAN DO IT UNDER STAFF
09:22:03 REPORT ON A STAFF DAY AS A MEMORANDUM, AND IF COUNCIL WANTS
09:22:07 TO SET IT FOR A WORKSHOP AFTER THAT, IT CERTAINLY CAN.
09:22:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO A STAFF REPORT IN MID AUGUST, MADAM
09:22:13 CLERK?
09:22:13 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT REGULAR SESSION IS AUGUST 26th.
09:22:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T THINK I NEED THAT MUCH TIME.
09:22:24 >>THE CLERK: AUGUST 5th IS THE FIRST ONE IN AUGUST.
09:22:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AUGUST 5th?
09:22:31 THAT'S RIGHT AFTER -- WELL, I GUESS NOT RIGHT AFTER OUR
09:22:35 BREAK.
09:22:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF COUNCIL WISHES, I CAN DO IT SOONER THAN
09:22:38 THAT, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:22:40 OF COURSE YOU HAVE A TWO-WEEK BREAK. I WANT TO REMIND
09:22:44 COUNCIL, THE SUMMER RECESS.
09:22:45 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
09:22:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY, LET'S DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH THE
09:23:01 CLERK.
09:23:03 THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
09:23:04 >>THE CLERK: WE DO HAVE ONE SCHEDULED FOR 9 A.M., LAND
09:23:14 DEVELOPMENT.
09:23:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE FINE.
09:23:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUNE 24th IT IS.
09:23:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 9 A.M. THEN?
09:23:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 9 A.M.
09:23:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
09:23:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK FOR A SECOND TO
09:23:28 52.
09:23:29 WHAT WE JUST DID WAS TO SEND THIS TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
09:23:31 FOR REVIEW FOR THIS QUESTION OF HIRING, RETAIN OUTSIDE
09:23:36 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
09:23:39 AM I CORRECT?
09:23:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE HAVE TO FINISH 51.
09:23:45 SO 51, MY MOTION IS JUNE 24th AT 9:00 A.M.
09:23:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY CARLSON.
09:23:53 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:23:54 ANY OPPOSED?
09:23:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY, MR. MIRANDA.
09:23:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, ITEM 52.
09:24:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP NOW IT MAY BE
09:24:06 APPROPRIATE TO TAKE IT UP BECAUSE THERE'S A MEMORANDUM FROM
09:24:11 CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES TALKING ABOUT THE CRB, SO THAT'S
09:24:15 ALSO INCLUDED IN ITEM 52.
09:24:17 AND IT'S ALSO ON THE ADDENDUM AS WELL.
09:24:19 SO IF YOU WANT TO HOLD THAT FOR DISCUSSION, I AM PREPARED TO
09:24:23 DISCUSS IT NOW, BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DISCUSS IT AT THE
09:24:26 TIME YOU TAKE UP THE ITEMS, THAT'S ALSO FINE, TOO.
09:24:29 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, WITH THIS AND ALSO THE -- SORRY,
09:24:34 WE ARE GETTING FEEDBACK, BUT THIS AND THE SUBPOENA POWER
09:24:37 ISSUE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO SET A DATE, LIKE SIX MONTHS
09:24:44 BEFORE THE ELECTION TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON CHARTER
09:24:48 AMENDMENTS.
09:24:50 LIKE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW SOME OF US ON THE CHARTER
09:24:53 REVIEW COMMISSION DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT WE VOTED ON THE ISSUE
09:25:00 OF THE MAYOR APPROVING COMMITTEES THAT COUNCIL SET UP AND
09:25:03 VICE VERSA, AND WE STILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO SOME
09:25:06 RESEARCH TO SEE WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT
09:25:09 THERE MAY BE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PROPOSE AS
09:25:12 CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND WE SHOULD DISCUSS THEM ALL IN CON
09:25:14 DETECT.
09:25:15 THE UNDERLAYING ISSUE ON SUBPOENAS FROM LEGAL COUNCIL IS IF
09:25:19 CITY COUNCIL, EACH THOUGH WE HAVE INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY,
09:25:22 THAT WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE SUBPOENA POWER SO THERE
09:25:24 WOULD BE A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER A CHARTER AMENDMENT
09:25:30 SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR CRB OR SHOULD BE FOR CITY COUNCIL
09:25:33 TO CLARIFY THE MOTION, I MEAN THE CHARTER.
09:25:36 SO THE POINT IS IF WE HAD A MEETING SIX MONTHS OR SO BEFORE
09:25:40 THE ELECTION, WE COULD SCHEDULE ALL THOSE CHARTERS AT ONCE,
09:25:43 HAVE A ROBUST CONVERSATION AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT
09:25:46 TO PUT ON THE BALLOT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THIS OUTSIDE
09:25:49 ATTORNEY, WHICH WOULD BE AS I UNDERSTAND IT A CHARTER ISSUE
09:25:52 ALSO.
09:25:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION YOU ARE TAKING.
09:25:58 I JUST HAVE A CONCERN, SIX MONTHS OUT FROM AN ELECTION.
09:26:03 I THINK, MR. SHELBY, YOU HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO MEET WITH
09:26:07 MRS. GRIMES IN REGARD TO A CHARTER OR SPECIAL WORKSHOP
09:26:11 REGARDING THE CHARTER, CORRECT?
09:26:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH
09:26:14 THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THIS, AND SHE HAS OFFERED AND I
09:26:19 HAVE AGREED AND I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA THAT SHE AND
09:26:22 I WORK TOGETHER TO ADDRESS -- AND I SAID IN MY MEMO -- THE
09:26:26 ISSUES.
09:26:26 LANGUAGE OF THE CITY CHARTER TO RECONCILE ANY POTENTIAL
09:26:29 CONFLICTS AND PROVISIONS THAT MAY BE REVEALED THROUGH THAT
09:26:32 PROCESS OF THE REVIEW.
09:26:34 I THINK IT'S A NECESSARY PREDICATE BEFORE WE START TALKING
09:26:39 ABOUT SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES IN THE CHARTER SO WE UNDERSTAND AND
09:26:44 COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT ITS PARAMETERS ARE.
09:26:46 SO THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION PERHAPS NECESSARY IN
09:26:49 ADVANCE OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER -- EXCUSE ME,
09:26:54 CARLSON IS PROPOSING.
09:26:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER?
09:26:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO I LIKE THE IDEA GENERALLY, MR.
09:27:02 CARLSON.
09:27:03 I THINK THAT SIX MONTHS IS A LITTLE TIGHT TO THE ELECTION,
09:27:06 BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE IT OVER TO THE SUPERVISOR AND
09:27:12 GET THE BALLOTS PRINTED UP AND ALL THAT STUFF.
09:27:15 SO I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, I WOULD
09:27:19 SUGGEST START A YEAR OUT.
09:27:20 THEN THAT WAY MAYBE IT'S DONE A FEW MONTHS LATER, AND GIVE
09:27:25 THE SUPERVISOR PLENTY OF TIME TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE
09:27:27 BALLOT.
09:27:28 BUT IT'S NOT JUST THIS ISSUE.
09:27:32 THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ISSUES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WHERE
09:27:34 WE KIND OF SCRATCH OUR HEADS AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?
09:27:37 MAYBE WE NEED TO TWEAK THE CHARTER TO ADDRESS THAT.
09:27:41 AND I CAN THINK OF THREE OR FOUR OTHER TIMES WE HAVE DONE
09:27:45 THAT.
09:27:45 SO IT'S NOT JUST THE CRB ISSUE.
09:27:48 AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
09:27:51 I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE
09:27:53 TODAY, AND PUT THAT TO BED IF POSSIBLE, AND JUST LIKE WE
09:27:59 VOTED ON IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO 6 TO 1, YOU KNOW, I THINK
09:28:05 EVERYBODY IS DONE WITH IT, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
09:28:07 ORDINANCE TODAY, AND WE CAN PUT OFF ANY OF THESE CHARTER
09:28:10 ISSUES TILL A YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT
09:28:13 A YEAR FROM NOW.
09:28:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:28:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE TO SAY WHAT MR. DINGFELDER SAID
09:28:21 MAKES IN MY VIEW, ANYWAY, COMMON SENSE.
09:28:26 THERE WAS AN ARTICLE, I BELIEVE, IN WEDNESDAY'S "TAMPA BAY
09:28:29 TIMES" REGARDING -- AND I DIDN'T READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE --
09:28:35 LIKE THIS WHERE THE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE ARE GOING TO
09:28:37 HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHICH WAY THEY ARE GOING TO GO.
09:28:41 AND I THINK THE SOONER WE HANDLE THIS, THE BETTER WE ARE.
09:28:45 AND LET THE PUBLIC STUDY, NOT ONLY ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT
09:28:47 BUT WHO IS GOING TO SERVE.
09:28:49 AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN WATCHING AND
09:28:51 LOOKING AT.
09:28:53 AND IT'S AN ITEM THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
09:28:57 SO WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE HAVING THIS COME BEFORE
09:29:00 US ON THESE BASES.
09:29:03 SO WE ALSO, MY CONTINUING THESE THINGS AS FAR AS THIS, YOU
09:29:08 HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SEEKING TO
09:29:11 BECOME POLICE OFFICERS OR SHERIFFS OR WHATEVER IN LAW
09:29:15 ENFORCEMENT, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
09:29:17 SO WE ARE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY, I HOPE, TO
09:29:22 SAY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE
09:29:25 GOING TO DO, WE GOT ELECTED TO MAKE THE CHOICES AND LATER ON
09:29:28 IF THE PUBLIC -- THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO
09:29:31 VOTE ON ALL OF THIS, WHOEVER IS SEEKING OFFICE.
09:29:33 SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF YOUR POINTS, TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC,
09:29:36 ANY WAY YOU FEEL, NOT MINE BUT YOURS.
09:29:40 ALL OF US HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND I RESPECT THAT.
09:29:43 BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S
09:29:46 VERY VIABLE, AND THAT'S CALLED LAW.
09:29:49 YOU HAVE LAW.
09:29:50 YOU HAVE LAWYERS.
09:29:51 YOU HAVE JUDGES.
09:29:52 AND AT THE END, THE ONES THAT START THE PROCESS OF ENFORCING
09:29:56 THE LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SWORN
09:29:59 OFFICERS NO MATTER WHERE YOU WORK AT, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY,
09:30:02 THE COUNTY, AND THE FBI, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE
09:30:07 ENFORCING THE LAW.
09:30:09 SO FOR THE CHARACTER OF THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE
09:30:13 A DECISION IN WHICH WAY THEIR LIFE IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE
09:30:18 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICE OARS, FEDERAL, COUNTY, STATE, OTHERS,
09:30:22 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THEY WANT
09:30:24 TO APPLY FOR A JOB OR NOT APPLY FOR A JOB.
09:30:27 I CAN TELL YOU FROM WHAT I HAVE READ IT'S GETTING TURF AND
09:30:30 TOUGHER TO RECRUIT IDES INDIVIDUALS TO GO INTO LAW
09:30:33 ENFORCEMENT.
09:30:33 AND THE REASON IS THAT THEY ARE JUDGED ON SOMETHING THAT'S
09:30:37 100th OF A SECOND OF A DECISION TO MAKE THAT YOU AND I
09:30:41 DON'T HAVE TO MAKE.
09:30:42 SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE DEALT WITH
09:30:46 ON A DAILY BASIS AND I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE
09:30:48 SOMETHING DONE.
09:30:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:49 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:30:52 YES, I THINK REGARDLESS WHERE YOU STAND SUBSTANTIVELY ON
09:30:56 THESE ISSUES, HEARING FROM CITY COUNCIL TODAY BEFORE WE
09:30:58 BEGIN TO ENTERTAIN A PROCESS ON EVERY ISSUE, I HAVE COME OUT
09:31:03 ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THESE ISSUES, I JUST THINK MAKES
09:31:07 SENSE.
09:31:07 BEFORE WE BEGIN A PROCESS.
09:31:09 I THINK THAT HAS NO RELEVANCY TO WHERE SOMEBODY STANDS ON
09:31:12 IT.
09:31:13 AGAIN JUST TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE WE BEGIN A PROCESS, I
09:31:16 DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
09:31:18 IN OTHER WORDS, HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WHEN WE LOOK AT THE
09:31:20 WHOLE CRB ISSUE, TODAY, LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY, I THINK,
09:31:25 MAKES SENSE.
09:31:26 IF I AM READING EVERYBODY RIGHT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DIDN'T
09:31:29 WE VOTE ON THIS ISSUE IF I AM READING EVERYONE RIGHT?
09:31:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:31:33 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, BECAUSE THERE
09:31:35 ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THIS SUBJECT, FOR SOME
09:31:38 REASON, THE CRB ORDINANCE WAS NOT PUT ON THE AGENDA, WAS NOT
09:31:44 PUT IN THE ONLINE INFORMATION, SO IT'S NOT ONE OF THE
09:31:48 NUMBERED ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
09:31:50 SO IF SOMEBODY WATCHING MAY THINK THAT 52 IS ABOUT THE
09:31:54 ORDINANCE BUT IT'S NOT.
09:31:55 IT'S ABOUT A PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT REGARDING LEGAL
09:31:59 COUNCIL.
09:31:59 BUT SINCE IT'S A CHARTER AMENDMENT, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE --
09:32:02 AND THE ORDINANCE HAS BECOME A WALK-ON ITEM WHICH WILL BE
09:32:07 SEPARATELY DISCUSSED, I THINK, DEPENDING IF WE ARE GIVEN
09:32:11 PROPER NOTICE.
09:32:12 BUT ITEM 52 IS PART OF CHARTER AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS, AND I
09:32:17 CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW OR LATER TO EITHER MOVE IT, THE
09:32:20 WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY IS FEBRUARY 24th.
09:32:23 I COULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM AS A CHARTER
09:32:26 PROPOSAL TO FEBRUARY 24th, AND/OR WE COULD MAKE A MOTION
09:32:29 TO PROPOSE THAT ALL CHARTER AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS BE HELD ON
09:32:32 FEBRUARY 24th.
09:32:33 DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION OR WAIT?
09:32:36 >>GINA GRIMES: MAY I?
09:32:38 GINA GRIMES, CITY ATTORNEY.
09:32:39 I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
09:32:42 MR. SHELBY AND I DID SPEAK ABOUT THIS REQUESTED CHARTER
09:32:47 AMENDMENT, AND OUR DISCUSSION WAS THAT CHARTER AMENDMENTS
09:32:51 SHOULD BE LOOKED AT HOLISTICALLY, NOT JUST PIECEMEAL WHERE
09:32:55 YOU AMEND ONE SECTION OF THE CHARTER WITHOUT CONSIDERING HOW
09:32:58 IT AFFECTS OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER.
09:32:59 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PRACTICE.
09:33:01 I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, THOUGH, THAT I DID NOT ENDORSE
09:33:05 HOLISTICALLY LOOKING AT THE CHARTER AGAIN BECAUSE THAT'S IN
09:33:08 FACT AS YOU WELL KNOW WAS THE FUNCTION OF THE CHARTER REVIEW
09:33:12 COMMISSION THAT WAS JUST IMPANELED, AND THE CHARTER
09:33:16 AMENDMENTS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AS, MR. CITRO,
09:33:22 THOSE WERE ON THE 2018 BALLOT, AND WERE ALL APPROVED.
09:33:27 AND I KNOW YOU HAVE CONCERNS, ALL OF YOU HAVE EXPRESSED
09:33:30 CONCERNS TO ME ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT
09:33:34 ARE NOW IN THE CHARTER WERE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AND VOTED
09:33:38 UPON, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I HAVE, AS WELL AS ANDREA
09:33:42 ZELMAN, GONE BACK NOT ONLY AND LOOKED AT THE MINUTES FROM
09:33:45 THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT WE ALSO EVALUATED
09:33:49 LISTENING TO THE AUDIO TAPES FROM ALL OF THE CHARTER REVIEW
09:33:52 COMMISSION HEARINGS, AND THEN I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT IN
09:33:55 THE END, YOU ALL DID A SUMMARY.
09:33:58 THAT SUMMARY OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS WAS PRESENTED TO CITY
09:34:01 COUNCIL AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:34:04 THOSE WERE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT A WORKSHOP.
09:34:09 THEY WERE REVIEWED AGAIN AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP.
09:34:11 NOT EVERY CHARTER AMENDMENT GOT PLACED ON THE BALLOT.
09:34:14 IT WAS DECIDED WHICH ONES WOULD GET PLACED ON THE BALLOT,
09:34:17 AND THEN THEY WERE SUBSEQUENTLY PUT ON THE BALLOT.
09:34:19 SO I DON'T WANT -- I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN EXPRESSED
09:34:23 BY SOME OF THESE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, AREN'T THE SAME AS WHAT
09:34:27 YOU RECOLLECTED, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU BASED ON THE REVIEW
09:34:30 THAT WE DID THAT THEY ARE IN FACT WHAT YOU DISCUSSED, AND
09:34:34 THEY WERE VETTED THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT HEARING
09:34:37 PROCESSES.
09:34:39 AGAIN, I'M JUST MENTIONING ALL THAT BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF
09:34:42 THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER
09:34:46 HOLISTICALLY, AND IT INCLUDED CITIZENS, ALL OF YOU WERE
09:34:51 CITIZENS AT THE TIME AND YOU SERVED ON THAT COMMITTEE, AS
09:34:53 DID ANDREA ZELMAN AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE.
09:34:58 SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE INTENDING TO DO IS BASICALLY TO
09:35:03 SUPPLANT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION BY HAVING A
09:35:06 DISCUSSION ON THE CHARTER, OR IF YOU WANTED -- IF YOU ARE
09:35:10 GOING TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER HOLISTICALLY OR ONLY WITH
09:35:13 RESPECT TO THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:35:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.
09:35:20 >>BILL CARLSON: NOT TO REBUT BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
09:35:24 SUPPLANT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
09:35:26 I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE OPEN THE WHOLE CHARTER.
09:35:28 I WOULD, THOUGH, ASK THAT LEGAL STAFF SEND THE TRANSCRIPTS
09:35:33 AND/OR LINKS TO THE AUDIO OR VIDEO RECORDINGS OF THOSE
09:35:37 MEETINGS, AND IF YOU HAVE THEM TIME STAMPED IT WOULD MAKE IT
09:35:40 EASIER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND SEND TO THE ALL OF
09:35:44 US AND MAYBE EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
09:35:47 COMMISSION.
09:35:47 I HAVE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL FOLKS WHO WERE ON THE CHARTER
09:35:50 REVIEW COMMISSION WHO ARE NOT IN THE CITY NOW, AND THEIR
09:35:53 RECOLLECTION IS THE SAME AS MINE, THAT THERE WERE THINGS
09:35:57 THAT MADE IT TO THE FINAL VERSION THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT
09:36:00 WE APPROVED.
09:36:01 IT COULD BE THAT SOMEBODY CHANGED THE SUMMARY AND PRESENTED
09:36:03 IT TO US AND WE APPROVED IT INADVERTENTLY AND I JUST WANT TO
09:36:08 KNOW THAT.
09:36:09 BUT WE WERE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND WE WERE
09:36:13 ADVISING THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND WE ADVISED THEM ON
09:36:16 WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE APPROVING, AND IF SOMETHING CHANGED
09:36:19 BETWEEN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND A SUMMARY OR
09:36:22 SOMETHING THAT CHANGED BEFORE THAT CITY COUNCIL AND CITY
09:36:24 COUNCIL INADVERTENTLY VOTED ON SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I WOULD
09:36:27 LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
09:36:28 IT WOULDN'T BE REVIEW THE WHOLE CHARTER BUT THERE ARE A
09:36:31 COUPLE OF AREAS WHERE WE DON'T REMEMBER THAT WHAT MADE IT
09:36:34 TOP THE FINAL BALLOT OR WHAT IS INTERPRETED IS FINAL.
09:36:38 AND IT'S ONE OR TWO ISSUES AS I RECALL.
09:36:40 AND THEN WE HAVE GOT TWO ISSUES HERE.
09:36:43 AND MY POINT LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER THAT WE WOULD TAKE A
09:36:46 HOLISTIC VIEW OF IT.
09:36:47 I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ONE CHARTER CHANGE WITHOUT
09:36:50 SEEING WHAT THE IMPACT OF ANOTHER MIGHT BE, AND IF WE END UP
09:36:53 WITH FIVE OR SIX, MAYBE IT'S TWO, BUT IF WE END UP WITH FIVE
09:36:57 OR SIX PROPOSALS, LET'S PUT THEM ALL ON ONE DATE AND ARGUE
09:37:00 THEM ALL OUT AND SEE WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON ALL OF THEM
09:37:03 AND THEN SEE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING.
09:37:05 THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSAL FOR MOVING THEM TO MAYBE FEBRUARY
09:37:08 24th.
09:37:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:37:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:37:14 MR. SHELBY, IN REGARD TO THE CHARTER, THE CHARTER RIGHT NOW
09:37:20 SPECIFICALLY GIVES COUNCIL THE AUTHORITY AND ABILITY TO PUT
09:37:25 THINGS ON THE BALLOT.
09:37:28 IS THAT CORRECT?
09:37:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT COMES FROM STATE STATUTE, MR.
09:37:33 DINGFELDER.
09:37:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S UNDER STATE STATUTE?
09:37:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
09:37:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
09:37:37 SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD OF THE CHARTER
09:37:41 PANEL THAT SEVERAL OF YOU WERE ON, THIS IS A COMPLETELY
09:37:48 LEGITIMATE PROCESS THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED.
09:37:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT A QUESTION OR STATEMENT?
09:37:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S A QUESTION.
09:37:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN THE ANSWER TO THAT IS UP UNTIL THE
09:37:57 VOTERS APPROVE A RECURRING CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, THAT
09:38:01 WAS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT WAS TO HAVE IT PUT ON BY CITY
09:38:03 COUNCIL.
09:38:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
09:38:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THEN SENT TO THE MAYOR FOR APPROVAL OR
09:38:07 NOT.
09:38:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T
09:38:10 STEPPING OUT OF LINE AND CREATING SOMETHING THAT WAS
09:38:13 UNUSUAL.
09:38:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND IF I --
09:38:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WASTE TOO MUCH
09:38:19 TIME IN 2021 DOING THIS.
09:38:22 I LIKE BILL'S IDEA OF TAKING WHATEVER CHARTER ISSUES MIGHT
09:38:26 COME UP OVER THE NEXT EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS AND ROLL THEM
09:38:29 INTO FEBRUARY WORKSHOP, IF ANYTHING COMES OUT OF IT, FINE
09:38:34 F.NOTHING COMES OUT OF IT, FINE.
09:38:36 BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT IT A YEAR FROM NOW.
09:38:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
09:38:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:38:43 I'M ALERTED TO THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN MRS. GRIMES AND MR.
09:38:49 CARLSON AND THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME THINGS THAT WERE
09:38:51 VOTED ON BUT NOT PARTICULARLY PUT IN AN AGENDA, THAT THE
09:38:56 COUNCIL VOTED ON.
09:38:57 SO WHAT I AM GOING TO ASK IF IT'S NOT TOO BURDENSOME, IF YOU
09:39:00 CAN SOMEHOW, SOMEBODY REVIEW ALL THE TAPES --
09:39:07 >>GINA GRIMES: WE DID.
09:39:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: -- FROM THAT COMMITTEE, AND ALL THE VOTES
09:39:11 ARE TAKEN ON EVERY SINGLE VOTE THAT IS TAKEN, TO TAKE THAT
09:39:14 AND PUT IT, CONDENSE IT INTO A TAPE SO THAT ALL OF US CAN
09:39:18 SEE.
09:39:19 I THINK THEY CAN DO THAT.
09:39:22 I AM NOT AN ELECTRONIC EXPERT.
09:39:24 I JUST TURN THE COMPUTER OFF AN ON.
09:39:29 >>GINA GRIMES: WE CAN DO THAT VERY EASILY THERE.
09:39:30 WERE MINUTES.
09:39:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO PUT CLARITY AND
09:39:34 TRANSPARENCY AND THE ACT OF GOD SAYING THAT THAT DIDN'T
09:39:37 HAPPEN.
09:39:37 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS A PUBLIC RECORD SO THAT THE
09:39:40 PUBLIC WOULD BE AT EASE.
09:39:41 I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.
09:39:43 >>GINA GRIMES: I THINK YOU ALL HAVE THE EXTRA SAFEGUARD IF
09:39:45 IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING LIKE
09:39:48 THAT COULD HAVE OCCURRED BECAUSE MR. SHELBY WAS PART OF THE
09:39:51 PROCESS, HE ATTENDED EVERY CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
09:39:56 MEETING, AND HE WAS AT THE SAME TIME THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY SO
09:40:01 HE WOULD HAVE REVIEWED WHATEVER WAS DRAFTED AND PRESENTED TO
09:40:04 THE COUNCIL, AND I GUARANTEE YOU HE WOULD HAVE MADE SURE
09:40:07 THAT IT ACCURATELY REFLECTED WHAT WAS VOTED UPON AT THE
09:40:12 CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
09:40:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:40:17 THEN I AM GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT.
09:40:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THANK MRS. GRIMES FOR HER COMMENT AND
09:40:22 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:40:24 BECAUSE I THINK FRANKLY, COUNCIL, I AGREE WITH WHAT MS.
09:40:29 GRIMES HAS SAID WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW
09:40:32 COMMISSION MAY HAVE INTENDED.
09:40:36 I BELIEVE OUR DISCUSSION, MS. GRIMES AND I, FOCUSED ON
09:40:41 INTERPRETATION OF LANGUAGE, AND SOMETIMES WE HAD A
09:40:45 DISCUSSION FOR A COMMA IN A SENTENCE, AND THERE'S A
09:40:51 DIFFERING INTERPRETATION THAT SOMEHOW AFFECTS THE POWER OF
09:40:54 THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK IT AT LEAST HAS TO COME TO LIGHT
09:40:57 AND BE RESOLVED.
09:40:58 SO WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION'S
09:41:01 INTENTION WAS, WHAT THEY SAID, I THINK THAT'S A WORTHY
09:41:04 THING.
09:41:05 IT'S A MAJOR UNDERTAKING TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT.
09:41:08 BUT I WAS THERE, AS WERE THREE OF YOU WHO ARE NOW SITTING ON
09:41:12 THE DAIS TODAY, AND I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION REALLY IS
09:41:17 WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ULTIMATELY PUT IT ON
09:41:21 THE CHARTER, WHICH IS THE VOTERS, WHAT WAS THEIR
09:41:25 UNDERSTANDING?
09:41:26 WE REALLY DON'T NONEXCEPT UP TO THE BUDGET SUMMARY AND THE
09:41:30 VOTE, AND THE QUESTION IS, IF THERE WAS AN INTERPRETATION
09:41:33 THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS CITY COUNCIL MAY HAVE
09:41:38 THOUGHT, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS THE INTERPRETATION THAT
09:41:40 WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME, THAT
09:41:44 ULTIMATELY PUT THOSE QUESTIONS ON THE BALLOT BEFORE THE
09:41:47 VOTERS?
09:41:48 WAS IT THEIR INTENTION TO ABRIDGE OR CONSTRICT THE POWER OF
09:41:52 THE CITY COUNCIL?
09:41:53 AND I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF DISCUSSION I AM GRATEFUL TO
09:41:56 MS. GRIMES THAT SHE'S WILLING TO SPEND THE TIME WITH ME OVER
09:41:59 MULTIPLE MEETINGS, SHE'S OFFERED, OVER SEVERAL DAYS, HOURS,
09:42:03 WHO KNOWS?
09:42:04 BUT I AM WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME TO WORK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES
09:42:06 OF INTERPRETATION.
09:42:07 I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS MISLED.
09:42:09 I THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED
09:42:12 BEFORE WE CAN UNDERSTAND AS A CITY HOW WE ARE TO MOVE
09:42:16 FORWARD, RATHER THAN HAVE BEEN THESE ISSUES COME UP WITH
09:42:19 COUNCIL ON A PERIODIC BASIS.
09:42:20 THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I AM ASKING FOR.
09:42:22 AND I EXPRESSED THAT TO MRS. GRIMES AND SHE'S GRACIOUSLY
09:42:25 OFFERED TO WORK WITH ME TO WORK WITH THAT AND I AM GRATEFUL
09:42:28 FOR THAT.
09:42:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG WITH WHAT MR. SHELBY JUST SAID,
09:42:33 NOT ONLY WITH THREE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT
09:42:35 TODAY ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, THE OTHER THREE ON
09:42:39 CITY COUNCIL.
09:42:39 SO WE HAVE SIX.
09:42:40 MR. GUDES, YOU WERE THE DIRECTOR AND YOU WERE UNDERSTANDING
09:42:44 THAT OUT OF THE SEVEN OF US, SIX HAD A DIRECT OR INDIRECT
09:42:48 UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
09:42:50 THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE ELECTED, THREE COUNCIL
09:42:53 MEMBERS WHO WERE ELECTED PRIOR TO THEM BEING ON THE COUNCIL,
09:42:57 ALSO LISTENED TO THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE MADE ON A
09:43:01 UNIFORM.
09:43:02 SO THAT'S WHY I ASK THAT QUESTION TO FINISH IT OFF TO MAKE
09:43:06 SURE THAT NO ONE IN ANY WAY THOUGHT THAT SOMEBODY WAS DOING
09:43:09 OR NOT DOING THEIR DUTIES THAT WERE GIVEN BY THE COUNCIL AT
09:43:13 THAT TIME.
09:43:13 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:43:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN?
09:43:18 MY RECOLLECTION.
09:43:21 MY RECOLLECTION.
09:43:24 THERE WERE THOSE WEEKS THAT WE MADE SURE WE THOUGHT THE
09:43:29 PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, MADE SURE THAT WE HAD VIDEO, AUDIO,
09:43:36 A LOT OF PUSHBACK.
09:43:38 ASKING, ASKING, ASKING, STILL DIDN'T GET, WHICH I DIDN'T
09:43:42 UNDERSTAND.
09:43:45 THE WAY I VIEW IT, THE WAY I SEE IT, IT'S ALL ABOUT
09:43:48 INTERPRETATION.
09:43:50 CLEARLY.
09:43:51 BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE VOTED ON, THE
09:43:56 INTERPRETATION, OR THE WAY I INTERPRETED IT, IS A DIFFERENT
09:44:00 WAY THAN MAYBE OTHERS ARE INTERPRETING IT.
09:44:02 AND I THINK THAT HAPPENED WITH THE ACTUAL SITTING COUNCIL AT
09:44:05 THAT TIME.
09:44:07 THEY WERE PRESENTED SOMETHING, BUT THE INTERPRETATION THEY
09:44:09 READ, OR SOMETIMES YOU -- HERE IT IS, WE GO WITH IT.
09:44:13 SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT MR. SHELBY AND MS. GRIMES, AGAIN, I
09:44:19 THINK A WORKSHOP IS NEEDED TO GO OVER THOSE CERTAIN WORDS,
09:44:29 COMMAS, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE POWER OF THIS HOUSE AND THE
09:44:35 POWER OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS CLEAR.
09:44:39 AND I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S NOT CLEAR.
09:44:42 AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME INTO THESE FIGHTS.
09:44:47 HATE TO USE THAT WORD, BUT THESE DECISION MAKING OF WHO HAS
09:44:52 WHAT AUTHORITY.
09:44:54 CHARTER NEEDS TO BE CLEAR OF WHO HAS WHAT AUTHORITY.
09:44:57 I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR OF THE AUTHORITY, BECAUSE SOME
09:44:59 OF IT OVERLAPS EACH OTHER.
09:45:04 IF WE CAN GET THESE SITUATIONS, BUT MR. CARLSON, I RESPECT
09:45:11 WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, I RESPECT MR. DINGFELDER, BUT I DO
09:45:14 THINK THAT SIX MONTHS TO AN ELECTION IS JUST TOO CLOSE, YOU
09:45:17 GET INTO A LOT OF POLITICAL STUFF.
09:45:19 I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE AT THE FOCUS OF THIS BODY OR FOR
09:45:23 THE CITY.
09:45:24 SO I WOULD ASK IF THERE IS A MOTION TO ENTERTAIN TODAY THAT
09:45:27 WE LOOK AT A WORKSHOP WAY PRIOR TO ANY TYPE OF CHARTER ISSUE
09:45:32 AS IT RELATES TO CRB ISSUES, AS IT RELATES TO ANY OTHER
09:45:36 THINGS IN THE CHARTER, THAT THEY ARE CLEARED UP, THEY ARE
09:45:38 CLEAR, AND THEY GO TO THE VOTERS, CLEAR ON WHAT THEY ARE
09:45:43 VOTING ON, THIS BODY IS ALSO CLEAR AS TO WHO HAS WHAT
09:45:46 AUTHORITY AND WHO HASN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
09:45:48 MR. SHELBY, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I CLOSE THIS OR
09:45:51 ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS?
09:45:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:45:54 JUST ONE OTHER THING THAT I WAS TASKED BY THE CITY COUNCIL
09:45:59 TO PARTICIPATE AS LEGAL ADVISER TO THE CHARTER REVIEW
09:46:05 COMMISSION, AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, AND CERTAINLY IT WAS CITY
09:46:09 ATTORNEY SAL TERRITO WHO WAS THERE, AND ACTUALLY DRAFTED AND
09:46:15 DID A LOT OF TREMENDOUS WORK IN SUPPORT OF THAT COMMISSION.
09:46:19 I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WAS NOT AUTHORIZED TO
09:46:23 ADVOCATE FOR CITY COUNCIL.
09:46:26 I BROUGHT THINGS PERHAPS I FELT NECESSARY TO APPRISE THEM OF
09:46:31 INFORMATION BUT IN NO WAY DID I INTEND OR WAS PERMITTED BY
09:46:34 CITY COUNCIL OR GIVEN THAT AUTHORITY TO ADVOCATE FOR ANY
09:46:40 SPECIFIC POSITION.
09:46:42 I WAS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO ACT AS A NEUTRAL.
09:46:46 THANK YOU.
09:46:48 >>LUIS VIERA: AND YOU DID A FABULOUS JOB, SIR.
09:46:50 MR. CARLSON, I SEE YOUR HAND.
09:46:53 IT'S HERE NOW.
09:46:54 I WOULD RATHER GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY.
09:46:56 IT'S A HOT TOPIC.
09:46:57 AND WE MOVE ON.
09:46:58 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD PROPOSE MAKING TWO MOTIONS OR I CAN
09:47:01 MAKE THE SAME.
09:47:02 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SCHEDULE FEBRUARY
09:47:07 24th WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS ANY PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT
09:47:13 CHANGES FOR THE FOLLOWING ELECTION, AND I CAN MAKE THIS AS A
09:47:19 SEPARATE MOTION OR SAME MOTION, AND THAT ITEM NUMBER 52 BE
09:47:22 MOVED AS PART THAT TO FEBRUARY 24th.
09:47:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY CARLSON, SECOND BY
09:47:28 DINGFELDER.
09:47:29 MR. VIERA, DISCUSSION.
09:47:30 >>LUIS VIERA: MOVING -- I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AT THE VERY
09:47:35 LEAST TODAY ANY CHARTER AMENDMENTS DEALING WITH THE CRB.
09:47:40 AGAIN I HAVE FALLEN IN DIFFERENT SIDES ON THE ONES THAT ARE
09:47:43 DISCUSSED.
09:47:44 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A ROBUST DISCUSSION SEVEN, EIGHT
09:47:48 MONTHS FROM NOW ON THIS ISSUE BUT AT LEAST ADDRESSING THESE
09:47:52 ISSUES TODAY I THINK WOULD BE WISE.
09:47:55 MY THOUGHTS.
09:47:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT, MR. VIERA?
09:48:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
09:48:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LUIS, I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND WE
09:48:05 WOULD PROBABLY SPEND AN HOUR ON THAT TODAY AND MAYBE THE
09:48:07 VOTE WOULD COME OUT AND SAY WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IN
09:48:10 FEBRUARY.
09:48:10 BUT IN FEBRUARY SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A MOTION AND SAY LET'S
09:48:13 ADD IT TO THE LIST OF THINGS OF CHARTER ISSUES, AND IT COULD
09:48:15 BE VIABLE AGAIN.
09:48:17 SO IT'S LIKE WHY WASTE OUR TIME TODAY?
09:48:20 THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.
09:48:22 WHY WASTE OUR TIME TODAY?
09:48:27 BECAUSE EVEN IF WE THINK WE GOT -- ONE WAY OR THE OTHER --
09:48:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA?
09:48:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FOR THE LAST TIME.
09:48:39 I AM NOT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT'S POSSIBLE.
09:48:40 HOWEVER, I AM LOOKING AT A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE THAN JUST THE
09:48:43 SEVEN OF US, AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT ARE HERE IN THE
09:48:46 AUDIENCE TODAY.
09:48:46 I AM LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT IS VIABLE TO ALL OF LAW
09:48:50 ENFORCEMENT, NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT THE SHERIFF'S
09:48:53 DEPARTMENT, ANY FEDERAL AGENCY, ANY STATE AGENCY, ANY COUNTY
09:48:56 AGENCY THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT,
09:49:00 LOOKING AT US TODAY AND SAYING WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WANT?
09:49:03 AND IT'S NOT WHAT I WANT.
09:49:06 I WANT THEM, WHOEVER IS APPLYING FOR THESE LAW ENFORCEMENT
09:49:09 JOBS, GOD BLESS THEM ALL BECAUSE WE NEED THEM, THAT IT'S
09:49:14 INCUMBENT TO SAY YAY OR NAY TODAY ON WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO
09:49:19 ALLOW THE ORIGINAL -- [OFF MICROPHONE] -- AND ONE WAY OR THE
09:49:25 OTHER, AND I AM NOT GOING TO QUESTION ANYONE'S VOTE, I NEVER
09:49:28 HAVE.
09:49:28 SO DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE COUNSEL THE ROAD, OR DO WE WANT TO
09:49:35 PUT SOMETHING AT LEAST ON THIS SEGMENT TODAY, AND MAYBE
09:49:39 SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BRING IT UP, WE
09:49:41 MAY NOT BE HERE.
09:49:43 WHO KNOWS?
09:49:43 YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG PROCESS.
09:49:46 IT WAS A VERY TEDIOUS PROCESS, WHEN ALL THOSE THAT
09:49:50 VOLUNTEERED TO BE IN THAT WONDERFUL BOARD, AND THEY DID A
09:49:54 YEOMAN'S JOB, THEY CONTINUED FOR MONTHS UNTIL THEY CAME BACK
09:49:58 WITH THE ITEMS THAT WERE ALL ACCEPTED.
09:50:00 SO THESE ARE THE THINGS, SO I AM READY TO VOTE ON THIS
09:50:04 TODAY.
09:50:04 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, JUST CLARIFICATION.
09:50:10 FOR THE PUBLIC, AND PARTICULARLY, ITEM NUMBER 52 IS ABOUT
09:50:14 PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT REMITTING TO OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR
09:50:17 THE CRB BUT THERE'S A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM WHICH IS AN
09:50:21 ORDINANCE WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE.
09:50:23 SHOULD WE CALL THAT ITEM NUMBER 56 OR HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS?
09:50:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
09:50:32 >>BILL CARLSON: SO WE HAVE CLARITY THAT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT
09:50:35 ISSUES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
09:50:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION WHEN
09:50:39 YOU COMBINE THE TWO SUBJECT MATTERS BECAUSE ONE IS A
09:50:42 SEPARATE ORDINANCE FOR SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD, POTENTIAL
09:50:47 CHARTER AMENDMENT BALLOT QUESTION.
09:50:49 AND I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO BE CLEAR, CERTAINLY FOR THE
09:50:53 PUBLIC, THAT MY REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE HAD NOTHING TO DO
09:50:57 WITH THE CRB ISSUE WHATSOEVER.
09:51:00 SO IT IS SOMEWHAT CONFUSING PERHAPS.
09:51:02 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS WALK-ON ITEM, SHOULD WE CALL IT ITEM
09:51:05 NUMBER 56 SO --
09:51:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY WE ASK THE CLERK IF THAT'S
09:51:11 PERMISSIBLE?
09:51:12 >> AT THIS TIME IT'S ON THE ADDENDUM, SO WE DON'T WANT TO A
09:51:17 SIGN IT AS NUMBER 56.
09:51:18 IT MAY NOT END UP BEING NUMBER 56.
09:51:21 >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN SPLIT MAIN IN TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS.
09:51:24 THE FIRST MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE SCHEDULE ANY PROPOSED
09:51:28 CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON FEBRUARY 24th ON THE FEBRUARY
09:51:31 24th WORKSHOP.
09:51:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT, PLEASE?
09:51:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS THE SECONDER, SO ANY CHARTER
09:51:42 REVIEW ISSUES WE ARE GOING TO DEFER UNTIL FEBRUARY 24th
09:51:46 OF 2022, IS THAT THE INTENT?
09:51:51 >>BILL CARLSON: WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE BUT WE
09:51:53 BUTT R THE BIG DISCUSSION ON FEBRUARY 24th, 2022.
09:51:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND PROBABLY TAKE THE WHOLE WORKSHOP.
09:52:00 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:52:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL MOD ANY MY SECOND TO CON FORM TO
09:52:04 THAT.
09:52:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.
09:52:07 SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
09:52:09 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:52:10 ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
09:52:11 >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT CONTINUE
09:52:20 CHARTER RELATED ISSUES --
09:52:22 >>BILL CARLSON: I TOOK OUT 52.
09:52:24 >>LUIS VIERA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
09:52:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:52:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:52:33 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:52:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH THE CHANGE OF LANGUAGE, THIS NEW
09:52:37 MOTION, YES.
09:52:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
09:52:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:52:43 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
09:52:47 >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL JUST LEAVE ITEM NUMBER 572.
09:52:49 YOU ALL CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE IT OR NOT.
09:52:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 52 WILL BE THE ACTUAL --
09:53:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS IT STANDS NOW AND THE ADDENDUM WE CAN
09:53:04 TAKE IT UP THEN.
09:53:05 >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE.
09:53:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO ORDINANCE HAS BEEN PREPARED AND THERE'S
09:53:10 A REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE FROM ME, JUST ON THAT.
09:53:13 BUT THAT WAS -- I DON'T TAKE A POSITION, COUNCIL, WITH
09:53:16 REGARD TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT TODAY, WHETHER
09:53:21 YOU WANT TO ADDRESS IT AT ALL, BUT I AM JUST LETTING YOU
09:53:24 KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO MS. GRIMES, AND INFORM
09:53:28 HER THAT IT WAS MY INTENT TO ASK FOR A COULDN'T ANSWER ON
09:53:31 THAT ITEM.
09:53:34 RATHER THAN HAVE IT PREPARED FOR TODAY.
09:53:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM CONFUSED BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE
09:53:38 WALK-ON SHEET, ADDITIONAL REVISIONS TO PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
09:53:46 52.
09:53:47 AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SEPARATE ITEM IN ITSELF.
09:53:49 MRS. GRIMES.
09:53:51 >>GINA GRIMES: CITY ATTORNEY.
09:53:52 WHAT MR. SHELBY JUST MENTIONED, WHEN HE SAID THE ORDINANCE
09:53:56 WAS NOT PREPARED, HE MEANT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE CHARTER
09:53:59 AMENDMENT.
09:54:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S CORRECT.
09:54:01 THANK YOU.
09:54:02 >>GINA GRIMES: THE OTHER ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDES ALL THE
09:54:04 OTHER CHANGES TO THE CRB CODE, THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN
09:54:09 PREPARED FOR THAT ITEM AS WELL AS THE CHANGES TO THE CRB
09:54:14 CODE.
09:54:15 AND WE ARE ALL PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT MATTER.
09:54:18 SO WHAT ITEM 52 IS, IS JUST REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO
09:54:22 PREPARE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT RELATED TO THE CRB AND
09:54:27 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
09:54:28 THAT WAS A SEPARATE MOTION BY COUNCIL.
09:54:30 AND WE'LL ADDRESS THE OTHER MOTIONS WHEN WE GET TO THE
09:54:33 LARGER SUBJECT.
09:54:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
09:54:35 MR. DINGFELDER?
09:54:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [OFF MICROPHONE] IN REGARD TO THAT SINCE
09:54:41 MR. SHELBY HAS ASKED FOR 60 TO 90 DAYS ON THAT ISSUE AND
09:54:46 SINCE THERE IS NO -- THERE IS NO PREPARATION OF THAT
09:54:49 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US, I DON'T KNOW
09:54:55 WHAT THERE IS TO DISCUSS TODAY.
09:54:57 SO WHY DON'T WE, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE GRANT MR. SHELBY'S
09:55:03 REQUEST TO BRING THAT BACK IN 90 DAYS?
09:55:09 OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, DEFER IT UNTIL FEBRUARY 24th AND
09:55:14 CONSOLIDATE IT WITH MR. CARLSON'S CHARTER DAY?
09:55:21 IT'S NOW YOUR CHARTER DAY, MR. CARLSON.
09:55:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
09:55:28 SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION JUST TO TIGHTEN THIS UP.
09:55:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:55:34 >>LUIS VIERA: AFTER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:55:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL MAKE A MOTION IN CONSIDERATION OF
09:55:37 MR. SHELBY'S REQUEST FOR 60 TO 90 DAYS, INSTEAD WILL GRANT
09:55:42 HIS REQUEST AND DEFER ITEM 52 AS IS STATED ON THE AGENDA TO
09:55:47 DEFER IT UNTIL FEBRUARY 24th, 2022 WORKSHOP.
09:55:50 >> SECOND.
09:55:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY CARLSON.
09:55:56 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:55:57 >>LUIS VIERA: I APPRECIATE THAT SIR.
09:55:58 I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING, WHICH IS WE CAN DISCUSS
09:56:02 CHARTER AMENDMENT AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
09:56:05 COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION, AND I SUPPORT IT TO HAVE A DAY
09:56:09 IN WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT PROSPECTIVE CHARTER AMENDMENT.
09:56:12 WE CAN DO THAT AT ANY TIME AND HAVE A DATE SET A SIDE FOR
09:56:15 THAT, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT WHY PRECLUDE THE DISCUSSION
09:56:18 FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT DEAL DIRECTLY WITH THE ISSUES
09:56:21 THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH TODAY?
09:56:22 AGAIN I HAVE FALLEN ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE ISSUES THAT WE
09:56:25 WILL BE TALKING ABOUT.
09:56:26 I SEE NO NEED TO PRECLUDE THAT.
09:56:29 AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT MOVES FORWARD WE CAN DEAL WITH IT
09:56:32 IN FEBRUARY.
09:56:32 I JUST THINK WE ARE CREATING ARBITRARY FICTIONS TODAY.
09:56:36 MY FINANCE.
09:56:37 THANK YOU, SIR.
09:56:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
09:56:40 I BELIEVE MAYBE IT'S BEST TO HOLD THIS ITEM TILL YOU TALK
09:56:44 ABOUT THE ISSUE ENTIRELY AND THEN IF AT LEAST WITH REGARD TO
09:56:49 THIS YOU ARE DOING IT HOLISTICALLY.
09:56:51 THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
09:56:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO I WILL DEFER THAT MOTION AND PULL IT
09:56:56 FOR NOW.
09:57:02 IS THAT COUNCIL'S WILL?
09:57:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE VOTE ON IT AND LET THE PUBLIC
09:57:07 KNOW.
09:57:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY, MR. MIRANDA.
09:57:09 I AM GOING TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION FOR NOW AND I SEE A COUPLE
09:57:13 OF NODS DEFER IT TILL LATER.
09:57:17 WE'LL DEFER IT TILL LATER IN THE DAY.
09:57:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
09:57:21 >> AND I THINK, MR. CARLSON, YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO AGREE.
09:57:35 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:57:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM LAUGHING AT MYSELF.
09:57:38 MAYBE I HEAR IT WRONG.
09:57:40 WE HAVE SO MUCH PLASTIC HERE I FEEL LIKE LIQUID IN A
09:57:44 BEVERAGE DRINK.
09:57:45 IT IS WHAT IT IS.
09:57:46 AND THERE'S SEVEN OF US HERE NOW.
09:57:49 MAYBE AT LUNCH ONE OF US DON'T COME BACK FOR WHATEVER REASON
09:57:52 AND WE ARE ONE SHORT OR WHATEVER.
09:57:54 LISTEN, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO VOTING BY MYSELF IF I BELIEVE IN
09:57:57 SOMETHING WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
09:57:59 I AM NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFERENT.
09:58:00 I AM NOT TRYING TO BE BURDENSOME.
09:58:02 I AM NOT TRYING TO BE CONTRARY TO ANYTHING.
09:58:04 BUT THESE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES.
09:58:06 IT MEANS LITTLE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN BUT IT MEANS THAT
09:58:11 ANYONE WHO IS LOOKING TO COME INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TO
09:58:14 UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEY HAVE TO APPLY AND BE
09:58:17 VETTED FROM THE DAY THEY ARE BORN UNTIL THE DAY THEY APPLY
09:58:20 AND THESE ARE THE DIFFICULT TIMES THAT I AM LOOKING AT, THAT
09:58:24 WE NEED QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE BEST, THE
09:58:28 BRIGHTEST AND THE SHARPEST SO THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN LAW
09:58:31 ENFORCEMENT IS SETTLED AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THEIR ROLE,
09:58:34 AND NOBODY GOES BEYOND THEIR ROLE.
09:58:36 THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I AM TROUBLE TROUBLED WITH
09:58:39 PERSONALLY.
09:58:39 I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS PART OF THIS BUT IT CERTAINLY IS
09:58:42 WHEN YOU ARE APPLYING FOR A JOB YOU SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW
09:58:45 WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO, WHAT KIND OF LAWS, WHAT YOU EXPECT OF
09:58:48 ME AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
09:58:51 AND THAT'S ALL.
09:58:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE JUST VOTED ON ANY CHARTER ISSUES TO GO
09:58:56 TO FEBRUARY 2022.
09:58:59 SO NOW BEFORE US WE HAVE STILL THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT
09:59:04 TALKS ABOUT RETAINING OF THE ATTORNEY.
09:59:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS ON YOUR AGENDA.
09:59:09 AND THE ORDINANCE, THAT SPECIFIC ORDINANCE FOR THE CHARTER
09:59:12 AMENDMENT PER MY DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, I TOLD
09:59:16 HER I WOULD BE DOING THIS REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MAKE
09:59:19 IT DONE HOLISTICALLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BEST PRACTICE, BUT
09:59:24 I'M REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE, BUT IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO
09:59:27 RESOLVE THE ISSUE TODAY AND TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE AFTER
09:59:30 HEARING THE DISCUSSION, OR ADVANCING IT, AND THEN CHOOSING A
09:59:34 DAY, COUNTY DO SO.
09:59:35 BUT I AM JUST SAYING TO YOU WITH REGARD TO THE ITEM ITSELF,
09:59:39 IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION.
09:59:42 SO MY SUGGESTION IS IF IT CAN BE RESOLVED TODAY WITH A
09:59:46 DIFFERENT DATE, OR NO DATE, THEN THAT CAN HAPPEN.
09:59:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BASICALLY IF WE RESOLVE IT TODAY AND
09:59:53 SOMEBODY WANTS TO BRING IT UP IN THE FEBRUARY 24, 2022
09:59:58 MEETING, IT COMES BACK ON THE TABLE.
09:59:59 IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING, SIR?
10:00:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CONSENSUS.
10:00:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANY MOTION IN FEBRUARY, YOU KNOW, COULD
10:00:09 STAND.
10:00:10 WHAT IF SEVEN PEOPLE WANTED TO BRING IT UP IN FEBRUARY?
10:00:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK TO GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY,
10:00:17 BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WILL PROBABLY COME BACK ANYWAY, I
10:00:19 BELIEVE WE VOTE THIS UP OR DOWN NOW, TO MOVE ON, TO MOVE ON,
10:00:26 AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT DEALS WITH THE CHARTER COMES BACK
10:00:30 IN FEBRUARY, AND IF THIS ITEM GOES ON THE BALLOT, WE AGREE
10:00:34 IT GOES ON THE BALLOT.
10:00:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU ARE SAYING STRIKE IT FOR TODAY AND
10:00:39 DEAL WITH IT IN FEBRUARY?
10:00:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, THIS IS -- COULD YOU TAKE THAT UP
10:00:45 BUT ULTIMATELY, I BELIEVE MADAM CLERK, IF I COULD JUST
10:00:49 INQUIRE OF THE CLERK, HAS THERE BEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE
10:00:51 AGENDA AND ADDENDUM?
10:00:54 >> NO, NOT YET.
10:00:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY VIERA.
10:01:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TO APPROVE THE AGENDA OTHER WAYS?
10:01:03 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
10:01:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THEN TAKE A SEPARATE VOTE.
10:01:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T WE DO THAT BEFORE WE DEALT
10:01:13 WITH 52 --
10:01:16 IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
10:01:17 >> WHAT'S THE PROPER PROCEDURE?
10:01:20 CAN WE MOVE THIS ITEM NOW, STRIKE IT UP OH ARE DOWN AND THEN
10:01:22 GET ON WITH THE BUSINESS?
10:01:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, YOU CAN.
10:01:25 BUT I AM ALSO WANTING TO REMIND THAT YOU THIS RIGHT NOW IS
10:01:29 SET FOR STAFF REPORTS AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT STAFF
10:01:31 REPORTS UNLESS COUNCIL ADVANCES THEIR MEETING BEFORE LUNCH
10:01:34 TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT UP, IT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN UP LATER ON
10:01:37 TODAY.
10:01:38 YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM STAFF ABOUT IT.
10:01:39 YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT IT.
10:01:41 IF YOU WANT TO DO IT TODAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND TAKE IT
10:01:44 OFF THE AGENDA, THAT'S PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE.
10:01:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC ON IT.
10:01:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
10:01:50 THAT'S TRUE.
10:01:53 OR STAFF, AS MS. GRIMES JUST SAID.
10:01:58 THAT'S TRUE.
10:02:03 SO MY -- GO AHEAD.
10:02:04 I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:02:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA.
10:02:07 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS HAS NO BEARING ON THE MERITS OF THE
10:02:10 ISSUE.
10:02:11 WHY DON'T WE TAKE IT UP AND PROCEED WITH THE MEETING?
10:02:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I WAS OKAY WITH THAT.
10:02:15 >>LUIS VIERA: IN MY OPINION.
10:02:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
10:02:19 WE'LL MOVE ON.
10:02:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO CONTINUE THAT TO JULY 29th.
10:02:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY?
10:02:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JULY 29th, NUMBER 53.
10:02:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?
10:02:40 ALL OPPOSED?
10:02:43 ITEM NUMBER 54.
10:02:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE 54 PURSUANT TO
10:02:48 LOCAL REQUEST.
10:02:51 BUT IT WAS MR. CITRO'S MOTION.
10:02:53 I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON YOUR PARADE.
10:02:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT.
10:02:58 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING YOU TO RECEIVE AND
10:03:01 FILE THE REPORT.
10:03:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:03:04 IF I MAY JUST TAKE TWO SECOND.
10:03:07 MR. CHAIR, PLEASE.
10:03:08 THANK YOU.
10:03:09 I WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL STAFF FOR DOING THIS.
10:03:12 I VISITED THE LOVELY PEOPLE AT THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
10:03:14 ASSOCIATION, AND EVEN BEFORE ANYTHING, TRANSPORTATION,
10:03:20 BUILDING, ANYTHING, A COUPLE OF THE WONDERFUL RESIDENTS
10:03:25 BROUGHT THIS UP.
10:03:26 I DON'T LIKE TO BEAT DEAD HORSES.
10:03:28 I LIKE TO BURY THEM.
10:03:29 HOPEFULLY THIS WILL PUT AN END TO WARD STREET.
10:03:32 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. ZELMAN.
10:03:34 THANK YOU FOR THE LEGAL STAFF.
10:03:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
10:03:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
10:03:43 CITRO, SECOND BY MIRANDA.
10:03:45 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:03:46 ANY OPPOSED?
10:03:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:03:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 55.
10:03:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 55, CHIEF BENNETT, THAT'S A STAFF
10:03:55 REPORT LATER ON, IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
10:03:59 HE INDICATES THAT IS THE CASE.
10:04:01 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:04:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
10:04:05 ITEM NUMBER 1.
10:04:09 WAS REMOVED FROM CITY ATTORNEY.
10:04:11 WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
10:04:14 MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CARLSON.
10:04:16 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:04:17 ANY OPPOSED?
10:04:19 ALL RIGHT.
10:04:20 WE HAVE NO CEREMONIALS TODAY.
10:04:21 WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
10:04:33 HOW MANY DO WE HAVE DOWNSTAIRS, MS. SULING?
10:04:38 >> SIX.
10:04:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SIX.
10:04:42 >> MY NAME IS DAVID SIMINOF, A HOMEOWNER, A TAXPAYER, TO
10:05:24 TALK ABOUT THE CRB.
10:05:25 I KNOW A LOT OF THINGS ARE GOING TO BE RESCHEDULED AND
10:05:27 TALKED ABOUT LATER SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF
10:05:30 GENERAL COMMENTS.
10:05:31 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE GREATER TAMPA CHAPTER.
10:05:34 ACLU HAS NEARLY 5,000 PAID MEMBERS AND THE STATE
10:05:37 ORGANIZATION HAS OVER 180,000 PAID MEMBERS.
10:05:40 THESE NUMBERS SHOW YOU THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE
10:05:42 DETERMINED ALL PEOPLE ARE TREATED FAIRLY UNDER THE LAW, CAN
10:05:48 BE HEARD AND ENJOY EQUALITY.
10:05:50 THESE ARE PEOPLE, THESE VOLUNTEERS AND PAID MEMBERS, ARE
10:05:53 COMMITTED, HAVE COMMITTED THEIR TIME, THEIR ATTENTION AND
10:05:57 THEIR POLITICAL WILL TO PROMOTE THESE IDEALS.
10:05:59 THESE PEOPLE ARE INFORMED, THEY ARE POLITICALLY ACTIVE AND
10:06:02 THEY ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY AND IN
10:06:04 THE FUTURE AND UNTIL THE TIME WHEN THIS IS SETTLED.
10:06:07 NOW, THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT CREATING A FULLY REALIZED CRB HAS
10:06:12 GONE ON FOR A LONG TIME BUT REALLY THE GOAL HAS NOT CHANGED.
10:06:16 THE CITIZEN REVIEW -- CRB NEEDS TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY, THE
10:06:20 POWER AND THE TOOLS TO BE TRULY ACCOUNTABLE TO THE
10:06:22 COMMUNITY.
10:06:23 AND THE FULL COMMUNITY.
10:06:25 NOTHING ABOUT GETTING THE FULLY REALIZED CRB WILL CHANGE OR
10:06:30 IMPAIR THE ABILITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO ITS JOB.
10:06:33 NOW, WE CAN STATED THIS WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY BECAUSE
10:06:35 THERE IS NOTHING NEW OR REVOLUTIONARY ABOUT THIS.
10:06:39 THINGS LIKE ADDING INDEPENDENT LAWYER, GIVING SUBPOENA POWER
10:06:43 HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND
10:06:46 NOWHERE HAS IT HAD A NEGATIVE EFFECT.
10:06:48 SO IN CONCLUSION WE ALL KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, EVEN IF
10:06:52 IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR TODAY WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE DONE OR THE
10:06:56 FORM IT'S GOING TO TAKE, BUT I IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE THE NEXT
10:06:59 STEP, KEEP THIS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND DO NOT
10:07:03 STOP UNTIL WE HAVE A FULLY REALIZED CRB.
10:07:05 THANK YOU.
10:07:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:07:11 STATE YOUR NAME SIR.
10:07:31 >> MARK WOLFSON.
10:07:38 GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
10:07:41 I'M A RESIDENT OF BEACH PARK, AND PERHAPS, I DON'T KNOW IF
10:07:45 MY BRIEF COMMENTS WILL BE MOOTED OUT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING I
10:07:49 HEARD PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WITH
10:07:53 RESPECT TO ITEM NUMBER 54 WHICH WAS THE CLOSING OF WARD
10:07:55 STREET, BUT I WANT THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT MYSELF, AS
10:08:02 WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COALITION REPRESENTING PEOPLE
10:08:05 WHO LIVE IN BEACH PARK, ARE CONCERNED THAT WITH RESPECT TO A
10:08:10 REPORT, THAT WAS DELIVERED TO THE COUNCIL BY ITS COUNSEL --
10:08:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXCUSE ME.
10:08:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:08:21 MR. SHELBY, I BELIEVE THAT THIS GENTLEMAN HERE MAY BE MAKING
10:08:25 STATEMENTS IN WHICH WE IN THE FUTURE MIGHT HAVE SOME SORT OF
10:08:31 LITIGATION POSSIBLE.
10:08:33 SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE ADVICE THIS GENTLEMAN ON COMMENTS
10:08:37 THAT HE MAY BE MAKING AT THIS TIME.
10:08:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IF I CAN.
10:08:46 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:08:49 YOUR RULE, RULE 4-J FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION, IS THAT
10:08:55 COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID ANY DISCUSSION -- COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID
10:08:58 ANY DISCUSSION OF MATTERS AT A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE THE CITY
10:09:02 IS OR IS LIKELY TO BE A PARTY IN LITIGATION WITHOUT THE
10:09:06 CONCURRENCE OF COUNCIL, AND YOU WERE ADVISED IN THE MEMO
10:09:09 THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED AND FILED RELATIVE TO THE FACT THAT
10:09:12 THE OPINION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE RELATIVE TO
10:09:16 WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD DISCUSS THIS, AND WITH THAT IN
10:09:20 MIND, CERTAINLY THIS IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK,
10:09:24 IN WHAT FORM OR FASHION IT WILL OR COULD COME BACK TO CITY
10:09:27 COUNCIL AT THIS POINT IN TIME I CANNOT SAY, BUT I BELIEVE
10:09:30 THE PURPOSE OF THE MEMO -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MRS.
10:09:33 ZELMAN -- BUT THE PURPOSE OF THE MEMO IS TO APPRAISE COUNCIL
10:09:37 OF THE NECESSITY IN ITS OPINION TO AVOID COMMENTING ON WHAT
10:09:41 YOU MIGHT HEAR THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT WISH TO SPEAK AND
10:09:45 COMMUNICATE TO YOU AT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:09:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. WARD, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH -- I WANT
10:09:54 TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS ON THE UP AND UP AND VERY LEGAL.
10:09:57 I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:09:58 THANK YOU, MR. WARD.
10:09:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CITRO, FOR THE
10:10:02 QUESTION.
10:10:02 >> SO CAN I CONTINUE, PLEASE?
10:10:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
10:10:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
10:10:09 >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REPORT GIVEN TO COUNCIL
10:10:11 DID NOT ADDRESS A POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT YOU MAY BE CONCERNED
10:10:15 ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER OR NOT THE ROAD THAT WAS
10:10:21 ALLEGEDLY VACATED IN 2007 HAD IN FACT REVERTED TO THE CITY
10:10:26 UNDER STATE LAW, AND THE QUESTION SIMPLY WANT TO PROCESS
10:10:31 ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL,
10:10:36 ET CETERA, EVALUATED THAT LEGAL PROPOSITION.
10:10:40 IF THEY DID AND THEY CAME TO A CONCLUSION, SO BE IT.
10:10:43 THE CONCERN IS FROM OUR GROUP IS THAT WHETHER OR NOT THE
10:10:46 CITY DID ITS DUTY TO EVALUATE THAT POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT AS A
10:10:51 MATTER OF LAW, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT PREVIOUSLY WAS VACATED IN
10:10:56 2007, THIS PART OF WARD STREET, IT WASN'T UNTIL FEBRUARY
10:11:01 2021 WHEN BARRIERS WENT UP TO BLOCK YET ANOTHER ACCESS TO
10:11:06 RESIDENTS OF BEACH PARK TO KENNEDY AND PROVIDE BETTER MEANS
10:11:11 OF INGRESS AND EGRESS TO ITS RESIDENTS.
10:11:15 SO THE CONCERN IS TO RAISE THE ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT AN
10:11:19 USUAL YOU WAS CONSIDERED.
10:11:22 AND THAT'S WHY I AM HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS
10:11:25 GROUP.
10:11:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:11:28 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
10:12:01 JAMES -- I READ ATTORNEY GRIMES' MAY 16, 21 MEMO.
10:12:11 THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT I'M UNHAPPY
10:12:14 ABOUT.
10:12:15 THERE ARE THINGS MISSING FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT SHOULD BE
10:12:17 IN THERE.
10:12:18 IF I HAVE A CIVIL CASE, IF I AM SUING SOMEBODY FOR A DOLLAR,
10:12:22 THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD GET.
10:12:23 I WOULD GET TO HAVE MY OWN ATTORNEY WHO ANSWERS JUST TO ME,
10:12:26 AND I WOULD ALSO GET TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS TO WITNESSES FOR
10:12:31 COPIES OF DOCUMENTS AND RECORDINGS AND TESTIMONY THAT SAYS
10:12:36 IT'S MY CASE AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE MY CASE IS SO IMPORTANT.
10:12:39 THE REASON FOR THAT IS SO THAT EVERYONE ELSE CAN KNOW THAT
10:12:41 THEY LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE THERE ARE MECHANISMS TO RESOLVE
10:12:46 DIFFICULTIES.
10:12:47 WHEN YOU CAN'T JUST GO AROUND COMMITTING TORTS AND THERE'S
10:12:51 NO REMEDIES FOR THAT.
10:12:52 THE EXISTENCE OF A SYSTEM THAT HAS MEANINGFUL REMEDIES MAKE
10:12:57 SOCIETY RUN SMOOTHLY SO IT'S NOT JUST FOR ME, IT'S FOR
10:12:59 SOCIETY.
10:13:00 ISN'T IT JUST AS IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THE
10:13:04 TREMENDOUS POWER THAT IS DELEGATED BY THE CITY TO THE POLICE
10:13:08 OFFICERS IS NOT BEING ABUSED?
10:13:10 THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE, THE LIKES
10:13:12 OF WHICH J. EDGAR HOOVER ONLY DREAMED, THAT THINGS THAT
10:13:16 COULDN'T HAVE BEEN IMAGINED EVEN 20 YEARS ARE POSSIBLE
10:13:19 TODAY.
10:13:20 THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE CLUBS AND TASERS AND NONLETHAL
10:13:24 ROUNDS AND LETHAL ROUNDS ON PEOPLE, THAT IS TREMENDOUS POWER
10:13:27 THAT YOU DON'T JUST GIVE TO SOMEONE WITHOUT REGULATING IT.
10:13:30 I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HEARD IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE
10:13:32 POLICE, BUT YOU WOULD NOT LISTEN TO SOMEONE WHO SAYS WE
10:13:35 DON'T NEED THE SEC BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON'T LIKE STOCK
10:13:39 BROKERS AND WE DON'T NEED TO REGULATE THE MEDICAL
10:13:41 PROFESSION, ANYONE WHO THINKS WE SHOULD JUST DOESN'T LIKE
10:13:44 DOCTORS.
10:13:44 THOSE ARE A CHILD'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEED FOR
10:13:47 REGULATION.
10:13:47 YOU DON'T GIVE SOMEBODY TREMENDOUS POWER WITHOUT KEEPING AN
10:13:50 EYE ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH IT.
10:13:52 AND IT HAS TO BE MEANINGFUL.
10:13:54 SO IF THERE'S A CAR ACCIDENT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, AND I
10:13:58 CATCH IT ON MY DOORBELL CAMERA, I HAVE TO GIVE THAT TO THEM.
10:14:02 I CAN'T WITHHOLD IT BECAUSE I LIKE THE PERSON WHO CAUSED THE
10:14:05 ACCIDENT MORE THAN I LIKE THE PERSON WHO WAS INJURED.
10:14:07 BUT IF INSTEAD OF A CAR ACCIDENT, IT WAS A POLICE OFFICER
10:14:12 SHOOTING SOMEONE, AND THE PUBLIC WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT
10:14:14 VIDEO TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOT WAS JUSTIFIED OR
10:14:19 NOT, IT SHOULDN'T DEPEND ON THE DUMB LUCK OF WHETHER THAT
10:14:22 HAPPENS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE OR IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE OF A
10:14:26 MISGUIDED PERSON WHO BELIEVES THAT WITHHOLDING THAT FROM THE
10:14:29 CITY IS HELPING AND SUPPORTING THE POLICE.
10:14:32 SUBPOENA POWER IS NECESSARY, AND IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE
10:14:35 AND IT NEEDS TO BE THERE, AND IF THE CITY COUNCIL WANT PUT
10:14:38 IT THERE, THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD AT LEAST LET THE VOTERS
10:14:41 HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IT THERE.
10:14:42 SO AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU STARTED MIAMI-DADE COUNTY AND
10:14:49 DAYTONA BEACH STARTED REVISING THEIR ORDINANCES, THEY ARE
10:14:52 DONE NOW.
10:14:53 BROWARD COUNTY AND GAINESVILLE DIDN'T HAVE A CRB.
10:14:56 THEY CREATED ONE.
10:14:57 THEY STARTED AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU DID.
10:14:59 THEY ARE DONE NOW.
10:15:00 TAMPA IS STILL WORKING ON IT.
10:15:02 AND IT'S BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A YEAR NOW AND IT'S ABOUT
10:15:07 MOVING TO --
10:15:08 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:15:10 PLEASE FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED.
10:15:12 THANK YOU.
10:15:12 >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:15:40 YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY THE NASTY, HATEFUL, DECEITFUL AND
10:15:48 WICKED.
10:15:48 WHO AM I TALKING ABOUT?
10:15:50 I'M TALKING ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE.
10:15:52 LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN PALESTINE.
10:15:54 AND LOOK AT THE MAN YOU HAD COME UP AND GIVE VERIFICATION
10:15:57 YOU SAY DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED, DOZENS.
10:16:00 WE KNOW BETTER.
10:16:01 AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER WE SEE BOMBING RESIDENTS AND
10:16:05 THEIR BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY CLAIM SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED,
10:16:10 BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, NOBODY BOMBED HITLER'S HOME,
10:16:14 UNDERSTAND?
10:16:15 NOBODY BOMBED HITLER'S RESIDENCE.
10:16:17 NOBODY BOMBED AND SUPPOSEDLY THAT'S THE PEOPLE WHO DO THEM
10:16:22 WRONG IN THE OCCUPIED TERRITORY, SHOUT OUT TO THE
10:16:25 PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
10:16:26 KEEP FIGHTING.
10:16:27 OKAY?
10:16:28 AND RIGHT HERE, WOKE UP, 4:00 THIS MORNING, REALLY DIDN'T
10:16:32 WAKE UP, LOOK AT THE PHONE NEWS AND YOU SEE THEY EXECUTED AN
10:16:36 AFRICAN MAN IN TEXAS.
10:16:38 THE NIGHT BEFORE THEY EXECUTED AN AFRICAN MAN IN SOUTH
10:16:41 CAROLINA, THEY RELEASED A VIDEO ON THAT.
10:16:43 AND THEY EXECUTE AFRICAN PEOPLE ALL OVER, EXECUTED AFRICAN
10:16:48 MAN WHO DIDN'T WANT TO GO FOR A BOND HEARING, A MENTALLY ILL
10:16:51 MAN WHO DIDN'T WANT TO GO FOR A BOND HEARING, THEY EXECUTED
10:16:55 HIM IN HIS PRISON CELL, AND EXECUTING MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN
10:16:59 ALL OVER THIS WORLD AND SPECIFICALLY AWFUL OVER THIS COUNTRY
10:17:01 AND THEY PUT IT FOR US AFRICAN PEOPLE TO SEE HOW YOU LYNCH
10:17:05 AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:17:06 THEY DON'T PUT TO THE SAY WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS, AND IT'S
10:17:10 JUST WRONG AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT IT.
10:17:12 THEY PUT IT TO KEEP THEIR SCARE TACTIC ON US.
10:17:16 AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT IS, IS THAT WE AS AFRICAN
10:17:21 PEOPLE AND OUR SO-CALLED LEADERS HAVE BEEN BEGGING WHITE
10:17:25 FOLKS FOR THE WRONG THING, WE HAVE BEEN BEGGING THEM FOR
10:17:27 AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, HOUSING, BEG THEM TO GO TO THE SAME
10:17:31 SCHOOL AND INTEGRATION AND ALL THAT.
10:17:33 BUT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO START STANDING UP FOR OUR
10:17:37 REPARATIONS, GO TO 621 TRILLION FOR 621 YEARS OF SUFFERING
10:17:43 AND OPPRESSION.
10:17:43 AND WE HAVE TO START ORGANIZING.
10:17:46 WE HAVE TO START BEGGING IF WE WANT TO BEG, OUR LEADERS HAVE
10:17:50 R, ORLANDO GUDES AND OTHERS HAVE TO KNOW WE HAVE TO START
10:17:53 BEGGING FOR NUCLEAR WEAPON.
10:17:55 WE AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED A BLACK PNEUMONIA LAR WEAPON IN OUR
10:17:59 HANDS.
10:17:59 THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET EXPECTED, THAT'S THE
10:18:02 ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET RECOGNIZED AND WITH A BLACK
10:18:06 NUCLEAR WEAPON, NOT ONE AFRICAN IN THE WORLD IN THE ENTIRE
10:18:10 WORLD WOULD BE HARASSED, WOULD BE INTIMIDATED FOR A BICYCLE
10:18:14 STOP, NOT ONE AFRICAN CHILD WOULD BE EXPELLED OR SUSPENDED
10:18:17 FROM ANY SCHOOL, ANYWHERE IN THIS WORLD, PERIOD.
10:18:21 NOT ONE AFRICAN FAMILY HAS BEEN ALREADY HASSLED BY THE
10:18:24 POLICE TELLING THEY SMELL SMOKE IN OUR AUTOMOBILE AND ALL
10:18:28 THE OTHER NONSENSE.
10:18:29 WE AFRICAN PEOPLE, IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE A BLACK NUCLEAR
10:18:32 WEAPON, A BLACK BOMB IN OUR HANDS, IN OUR HANDS AND OUR
10:18:36 CONTROL.
10:18:36 THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
10:18:37 WE DON'T NEED TO BEG FOR THIS OTHER NONSENSE THAT YOU ARE
10:18:40 BEGGING FOR.
10:18:41 AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT'S SO INSULTING COMING HERE
10:18:44 BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY, AND TALK TO YOUR SECURITY.
10:18:47 STOP FOLLOWING ME LIKE I'M A CHILD OR I'M A CRIMINAL.
10:18:50 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:18:54 TALK TO YOUR SECURITY AND TELL THEM TO STOP FOLLOWING ME
10:18:56 LIKE I'M A CHILD OR I'M A CRIMINAL.
10:18:59 THANK YOU.
10:19:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:19:01 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN.
10:19:30 DARLA PORTMAN OF THE TAMPA PBA.
10:19:33 I'M ALSO A CITY OF TAMPA POLICE OFFICER AND I AM GOING ON MY
10:19:37 19th YEAR.
10:19:38 I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 52 AND THE
10:19:42 CRB AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF IT.
10:19:44 WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST A YEAR.
10:19:46 THE ACLU KEEPS MOVING THE GOAL POST, KEEPS WANTING TO ADD
10:19:51 EXTRA THINGS TO IT.
10:19:52 YOU JUST HAD TWO ATTORNEYS COME AND TELL YOU THERE NEEDS TO
10:19:55 BE TRANSPARENCY AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A BOARD THAT LOOKS
10:19:58 OVER POLICE OFFICERS.
10:19:59 WELL, WE HAVE GOT THE CRIMINAL STANDARDS AND TRAINING
10:20:04 COMMISSION.
10:20:04 WE HAVE FDLE.
10:20:07 SAO.
10:20:08 ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.
10:20:10 IA.
10:20:10 AND WE STILL HAVE THE CRB.
10:20:12 AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT HAVING THE VIDEOS AND THE MEDIA PUT
10:20:14 OUT WHEN AN OFFICER GETS IN THE SHOOTING AND THEY WANT TO
10:20:17 SEE IT RIGHT AWAY, I THINK CHIEF DUGAN HAS DONE THAT.
10:20:21 EVERY COUPLE OF HOURS AFTER THE SHOOTING HE SENT OUT A VIDEO
10:20:23 THAT SHOWS THE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE.
10:20:26 WE COULDN'T BE MORE TRANSPARENT OR WE WOULD BE INVISIBLE.
10:20:30 THAT HE IS HOW TRANSPARENT WE ARE.
10:20:31 GINA, URSULA, CHIEF BENNETT AND ALSO THE MAYOR HAVE WORKED
10:20:35 REALLY, REALLY HARD IN THE ATTEMPT TO MAKE THIS PROPOSITION,
10:20:38 THIS PROPOSAL PERFECT.
10:20:39 AND IT HAS.
10:20:42 I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF IT BUT WE HAVE COME TO A
10:20:44 COMPROMISE.
10:20:45 THAT'S WHAT NEGOTIATION IS.
10:20:46 WE HAVE COMPROMISED, AND LET'S GIVE THIS A CHANCE TO WORK.
10:20:50 EVERYBODY WANTS TO KEEP ADDING MORE AND MORE TO IT. WHY
10:20:52 DON'T WE GIVE THIS ACTUAL PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE NOW A
10:20:55 CHANCE?
10:20:56 IF IT NEEDS TO BE RESTRUCTURED OR REVAMPED LATER, WE CAN
10:21:00 BRING IT BACK IN A COUPLE OF YEARS BUT GIVE AT CHANCE TO
10:21:03 WORK.
10:21:07 IT'S KIND OF FUNNY HOW WE TALK ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE
10:21:09 BOARD, THE ITEM THAT WAS PROPOSED AND I KNOW THEY DON'T WANT
10:21:13 TO DO THE FIVE FIVE AND ONE, BUT THAT IS AN EQUAL UNBIASED
10:21:17 BOARD.
10:21:17 WHEN YOU MAKE IT 7-4 NOW YOU ARE LEANING TO A BIASED BOARD
10:21:21 AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS AND BIAS TRAINING.
10:21:24 WE NEED OUR BOARDS TO BE UNBIASED AND MAKING THEM 5, 5 AND
10:21:30 1.
10:21:30 THIS IS THE LAST THING I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
10:21:32 YOU GUYS HAVE CITY APPOINTED ATTORNEY, MARTY SHELBY FOR YOU.
10:21:37 HE'S DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.
10:21:39 YOU LIKE HIM SO MUCH THAT HE GOT A VERY GENEROUS RAISE THAT
10:21:42 YOU PROPOSED FOR HIM.
10:21:43 HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE CRB ATTORNEY THAT IS
10:21:46 SUPPLIED BY THE CITY?
10:21:47 IF THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY, MARTY SHELBY SPEAKS
10:21:51 FOUR.
10:21:52 HE ADVISES YOU.
10:21:54 BUT HE WORKS FOR THE CITY.
10:21:55 HE GETS A CITY OF TAMPA PAYCHECK NO DIFFERENT THAN THE CRB.
10:22:00 LET'S END THIS DEBATE TODAY.
10:22:03 THANK YOU.
10:22:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:22:04 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMAN, DANIEL ALVAREZ, TAMPA PBA
10:22:23 GENERAL COUNSEL.
10:22:23 FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE AND
10:22:27 HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
10:22:28 I WANT TO COMMEND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOR THE COURAGE TO
10:22:31 STAND UP FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE OFFICER, BECAUSE WHAT
10:22:35 HE SAYS AND WHAT HIS MOTIVATIONS ARE EVEN THOUGH HE AND I
10:22:40 HAVE NOT SPOKEN ARE SPOT ON.
10:22:42 WHEN I WAS A LIEUTENANT IN THE ARMY I WAS TOLD THAT IN
10:22:45 DECISIVENESS IS THE CANCER OF LEADERSHIP, AND WHAT WE HAVE
10:22:48 HERE IS THE CONSTANT KICKING OF A BALL WHICH LEADS TO IN
10:22:53 DECISIVENESS, WHICH IS IN DECISIVENESS AND HAS US IN THE
10:22:57 POSITION THAT WE ARE TODAY.
10:22:58 WE KNOW, AND I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE ULTRA PROUD OF WHAT
10:23:03 YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SHOULD BE
10:23:05 TAKING UP AND YOU SHOULD HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE UP AS IS
10:23:09 TODAY, WITHOUT ANY CHANGES AS IT GOES.
10:23:12 WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE IT.
10:23:14 YOU ARE THE MODEL OF TRANSPARENCY, YOU ARE THE MODEL OF
10:23:18 OVERSIGHT AND YOU ARE SEEKING POLICE REFORM?
10:23:21 WELL, GUESS WHAT, YOU GOT IT.
10:23:24 EVERY ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS TODAY AND HERE HAS COMPROMISE.
10:23:28 WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT COMING INTO JANUARY, AND BY ALL, I
10:23:32 MEAN EVERYONE, BUT THE ACLU.
10:23:35 WHAT YOU SAW TODAY WAS A SHAKEDOWN OF TIP CAM PURPOSES, AND
10:23:39 I SAY THAT RELUCTANTLY BECAUSE I ADMIRE THE ACLU.
10:23:43 I LOVE WHAT THEY STAND FOR WHEN IT COMES TO CIVIL RIGHTS.
10:23:46 BUT WHAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY IS EACH ONE OF YOU IS GETTING
10:23:50 PRESSURED BY SOMEONE WHO HAS GIVEN NOTHING WITH PEOPLE WHO
10:23:54 HAVE GIVEN EVERYTHING, AND BY PEOPLE, I MEAN QUITE
10:23:59 COMPLICITLY THE CITY, THE MAYOR, THE POLICE, THE UNION THAT
10:24:04 REPRESENTS THOSE POLICE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:24:06 EVEN THE CRB MEMBERS THEMSELVES.
10:24:09 THEY ARE READY TO GET TO WORK.
10:24:11 YOU WANTED IT.
10:24:12 YOU GOT IT.
10:24:13 LET'S TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS REALLY QUICKLY.
10:24:16 YOUR INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.
10:24:17 AND DARLA HIT IT RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
10:24:19 MARTY SHELBY IS A PHENOMENAL ATTORNEY BUT NOBODY QUESTIONS
10:24:23 HIS INDEPENDENCE AND HIS ETHICS OR HIS ABILITY TO COUNSEL
10:24:27 EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND GIVE YOU THE BEST ADVICE
10:24:30 POSSIBLE.
10:24:30 HIS PAYCHECK IS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:24:33 GINA HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB BIFURCATING ONE OF HER
10:24:37 ATTORNEYS AND ASSIGNING THAT PERSON TO THE CRB.
10:24:39 NO ONE WILL EVER QUESTION THAT PERSON AND SAY, ARE YOU
10:24:42 INDEPENDENT ENOUGH TO GIVE LEGAL COUNSEL?
10:24:44 BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:24:45 THAT'S A FLORIDA BAR COMPLAINT.
10:24:47 AND I'M SURE MY LEGAL LICENSE IS THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE'S
10:24:50 AND THEY TOLD ME THAT WHOEVER PAYS ME ISN'T WHO MY CLIENT
10:24:53 IS.
10:24:54 WHO MY CLIENT IS WHO I OWE THE DUTY.
10:24:57 ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE GOT TO LEARN TALK ABOUT COMPOSURE OF
10:25:01 THE BOARD.
10:25:01 WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT EQUALITY AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING
10:25:04 FOR.
10:25:05 WE ARE LOOKING FOR A DIVERSITY OF EQUALITY.
10:25:08 THE MAYOR GETS HER VOICE.
10:25:09 THE COUNCIL GETS THEIR VOICE.
10:25:11 AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT WE PUT?
10:25:12 WE PUT THE NAACP.
10:25:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS THE CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS, THEY GET
10:25:17 ONE OF THEIR VOICE.
10:25:18 WE ARE ALL ON BOARD FOR THIS.
10:25:19 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:25:20 WHAT THE WE ARE ASKING FOR IS DECISIVENESS AND YOUR SUPPORT.
10:25:26 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:25:27 HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:25:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LAST SPEAKER?
10:25:37 >> NO MORE SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME.
10:25:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:25:40 WE GO TO THE CALLS.
10:25:45 >>THE CLERK: THE FIRST SPEAKER IS JENNIFER TOLLHORST OF THE
10:25:50 JENNIFER DID NOT PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE.
10:25:52 WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:25:56 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:25:57 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:25:58 >> HELLO EVERYBODY.
10:26:01 HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
10:26:04 GOOD MORNING.
10:26:05 SO YOU GUYS ALL PROBABLY RECEIVED, I SENT MY WEEKLY UPDATE
10:26:11 ON MY OPINIONS, NOT THAT MY OPINIONS MATTER, BUT I DO
10:26:15 BELIEVE WHEN I SEND THOSE THAT IT REPRESENTS A BETTER
10:26:18 PORTION, AND I SUBMIT QUESTIONS TO YOU ALL THAT I HOPE YOU
10:26:23 ALL DO ANSWER.
10:26:25 I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE ANSWERED ME WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE.
10:26:28 ANYWAY, TODAY'S AGENDA ITEMS, I HAVE SCHEDULED, THERE WAS
10:26:32 THE ONE WHICH IS BEING MOVED.
10:26:35 THERE WERE A COUPLE ON THE BROWNFIELDS.
10:26:39 BROWNFIELD IS NOW THE NEW BUZZ WORD FOR LET'S BUILD MORE
10:26:43 APARTMENTS SOMEWHERE, AND WE'LL PAY TO CLEAN IT UP.
10:26:47 THESE GUYS SAY THEY ARE GOING TO PAY TO CLEAN IT UP BUT MOST
10:26:50 PEOPLE MIGHT NOT REALIZE THEY GET PAID BACK FOR DOING IT SO
10:26:55 IT'S TO BUILD MORE APARTMENTS.
10:26:57 I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY USE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.
10:27:00 ITEM NUMBER 42, TALKING ABOUT LOCAL SALES TAX.
10:27:04 AND NOW WE ARE GOING BACK INTO ANOTHER WAY TO BRING IN A
10:27:07 SALES TAX.
10:27:08 I TOTALLY AM AGAINST THAT AND I THINK A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE
10:27:11 ARE AND WE ARE GOING TO BE NAY SAYING ON THAT ONE.
10:27:15 I THINK THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS
10:27:21 CONSTANTLY AND LOOK AT ANY GOVERNMENT SPENDING OF THE CITY
10:27:24 RIGHT NOW BASED ON EVERYBODY ELSE WAS HAD BEEN SHUT DOWN,
10:27:29 SMALL BUSINESSES NEED TO REBOUND AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY
10:27:33 SHOULD BE SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT WE THE PEOPLE JUST
10:27:36 HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO GAIN FOR OURSELVES.
10:27:40 ITEM NUMBER 53, GENDER AND RACIAL EQUALITY, I BELIEVE
10:27:43 EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED RESPECTFULLY, WITH RESPECT AND
10:27:48 DIGNITY AT ALL TIMES, AND TO SEPARATE PEOPLE BY GENDER,
10:27:52 RACE, BY WHATEVER, THEY SHOULDN'T BE SEPARATED.
10:27:55 I WENT TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY STARTED BUSING PEOPLE.
10:27:58 MY DAD CALLED IT KIDNAPPING.
10:28:03 AND NOW EVERYBODY IS BEING LABELED, SO I DON'T THINK LABELS
10:28:07 ARE A GOOD -- WE SHOULD ALL BE LABELED FELLOW CITIZENS OF
10:28:12 TAMPA, OR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, OR AMERICANS, BUT NOT BY THE
10:28:18 SMALL SUBGROUPS TO ACTUALLY DIVIDE PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH THEY
10:28:21 ARE TRYING TO SAY IT'S BRINGING THEM TOGETHER, AND I DON'T
10:28:25 BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY GOD INTENDED THINGS TO BE.
10:28:30 ITEM NUMBER 3, GANDY BOULEVARD, THE LEASE IS OVER, THERE'S A
10:28:36 BUNCH OF MONEY THERE.
10:28:37 THAT MONEY SHOULD BE GOING TO SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:28:38 THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY -- IT WAS THE REVENUE CAME IN, THAT'S
10:28:45 WHERE THE REVENUE SHOULD GO.
10:28:46 WE HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED SINCE 2006, AND THERE'S A LOT OF
10:28:49 MONEY OUT THERE THAT IS GONE.
10:28:51 SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY IS.
10:28:54 ANYWAY, THANK YOU.
10:28:56 HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:28:57 I AM GOING TO, ALSO, TODAY.
10:29:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:29:03 >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL COMMENTS.
10:29:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:29:09 LET'S GET BACK TO THE AGENDA.
10:29:10 ITEM NUMBER 1 HAS ALREADY BEEN DEALT WITH EARLIER.
10:29:16 PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
10:29:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 2 THROUGH 9.
10:29:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:29:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:29:29 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:29:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:29:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:29:33 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:29:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:29:35 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:29:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, WILL YOU HANDLE PUBLIC
10:29:39 RECREATION, CULTURAL COMMISSION?
10:29:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE ITEMS 10 THROUGH 14.
10:29:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
10:29:48 ROLL CALL.
10:29:48 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:29:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:29:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:29:53 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:29:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:29:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:29:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:30:00 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:30:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, NUMBER 16 AND 17, DO YOU
10:30:09 WANT A SEPARATE VOTE ON THEM?
10:30:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MOVE ITEMS 17 THROUGH 22.
10:30:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:30:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] ROLL CALL VOTE, FLEECE.
10:30:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:30:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:30:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:30:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:30:26 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:30:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:30:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:30:29 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:30:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARD TO ITEM 15 AND
10:30:33 16, I KNOW THAT WE ALL LOOK AT THE BACKGROUND MATERIAL ON
10:30:44 THESE TYPES OF LARGE CONTRIBUTION PROJECTS, $567,000.
10:30:54 AND SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE WMBE PARTICIPATION.
10:30:57 I BELIEVE ON ITEM 150, IT CAME OUT TO ZERO PERCENT.
10:31:01 AND ITEM 16 CAME OUT TO 2.57%.
10:31:05 SO ANYWAY, THIS ONE FOR WHATEVER REASON LAGGED BEHIND.
10:31:14 SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO MOVE 15 AND 16, YOU ARE WELCOME
10:31:17 TO.
10:31:25 BE OR WE COULD DEFER IT FOR TWO WEEKS TO SEE IF THE STAFF OR
10:31:29 BIDDERS COULD DO BETTER BUT I AM NOT UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THOSE
10:31:33 TWO ITEMS.
10:31:33 I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THEM.
10:31:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, PLEASE.
10:31:41 MRS. GRIMES, 15 AND 16, HOW TIME SENSITIVE ARE THESE?
10:31:46 >>GINA GRIMES: I AM GOING TO DEFER TO MR. BENNETT.
10:31:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY.
10:31:50 CHIEF, WHAT'S THE TIME SENSITIVITY ON THESE TWO ITEMS?
10:31:53 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:32:00 IN RELATION TO ITEMS 15 AND 16, WE SHOULD HAVE THE SPECIFIC
10:32:04 ADMINISTRATORS ONLINE TO ADDRESS THE TIME SENSITIVITY.
10:32:10 I JUST WANT TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT TO COUNCILMAN
10:32:13 DINGFELDER'S CONVERSATION.
10:32:14 WE KNOW NEXT WORKSHOP WHICH IS THE END OF THIS MONTH, THERE
10:32:20 WILL BE A SIX-MONTH DBO REVIEW YEAR TO DATE, WHICH WILL
10:32:26 COVER ALL OF THE COMPETITIVE EXPENSE FOR THE CITY, ALSO
10:32:32 COVER THE CONTRACTING AND ALL THE PROGRESS THAT MS. WYNN AND
10:32:36 HER OFFICE IN THE EBO OFFICE HAVE DONE SINCE THE WORKSHOP IN
10:32:39 JANUARY.
10:32:40 SO THAT WILL GIVE AN ENTIRE SCORECARD FOR THAT SIX-MONTH
10:32:43 PERIOD BEYOND STARTING WITH FY 21.
10:32:46 AND I DO APPRECIATE MR. DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS, BOTH TODAY
10:32:49 AND QUITE OFTEN IN THE AGENDA REVIEW PROCESS ABOUT THE
10:32:54 JOURNEY THAT EVERYBODY IS ON AND THE INCREASE.
10:32:57 SO I WOULD ASK TO SEE IF ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS FOR THESE
10:33:01 TWO ITEMS IS ONLINE TO SPEAK TO THEIR TIMELINESS.
10:33:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BAIRD POPPED UP.
10:33:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE WE GET TO MR. BAIRD, LET ME ASK A
10:33:10 QUESTION OF YOU.
10:33:11 I GOT POSED THIS QUESTION BY SOME COMMUNITY LEADERS AS WELL.
10:33:14 WHAT ARE WE DOING ON THESE CONTRACTS?
10:33:17 WHEN WE BREAK THESE CONTRACTS DOWN, ARE WE BREAK IT DOWN,
10:33:21 ARE WE SAYING THIS MUCH IS GOING FOR DRYWALL PERSON,
10:33:28 CONCRETE PERSON, ARE WE BREAKING IT DOWN TO SEE HOW WE ARE
10:33:31 GETTING THOSE OTHERS AND MAYBE -- IF YOU HAVE GOT THIS
10:33:38 BROKEN DOWN IT SHOULD BE BROKEN DOWN TO THE CATEGORY OF
10:33:41 DRYWALL, IF IT'S CONCRETE, PAINTING, WHATEVER WITH THOSE
10:33:47 NUMBERS.
10:33:51 I WOULD LIKE MR. BAIRD TO ANSWER THAT.
10:33:53 I THINK IT'S KEY TO THIS PROCESS.
10:33:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN I WILL SAY IN GENERAL BEFORE OUR
10:33:58 DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR BRAD BAIRD SPEAKS, WE HAVE CHARGED
10:34:01 STAFF WITH UNBUNDLING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
10:34:05 AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE WORKSHOP, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE ARE
10:34:09 BALANCING TIME, QUALITY, CAPACITY, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO
10:34:13 ENGAGE IN CITY CONTRACTS, BOTH FOR PROCUREMENT AND FOR
10:34:17 ACTUAL CONTRACTING.
10:34:18 SO STAFF HAS BEEN DOING WHAT I THINK IS A YEOMAN'S EFFORT TO
10:34:22 UNBUNDLE THINGS.
10:34:23 WHEN THEY GET DOWN TO THAT GRANULARITY, AND MR. SPEARMAN
10:34:27 HOPEFULLY WILL SPEAK TO THIS AT THE WORKSHOP, SOME OF THOSE
10:34:30 JOB ORDER CONTRACTS, THAT'S THE PURE DESIGN OF THAT, IS TO
10:34:33 BREAK IT DOWN INTO THOSE SMALL JOBS TO ALLOW MORE EQUAL
10:34:37 BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE.
10:34:39 AND I DO COMMEND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND I DO COMMEND
10:34:43 STAFF FOR LOOKING AT THESE ITEM BY ITEM AND THE GRANULARITY
10:34:46 BECAUSE IF YOU WIN THE ITEM YOU ACTUALLY PREVAIL IN THE
10:34:49 ENTIRE EBO SYSTEM.
10:34:51 AND SO LOOKING AT THEM WITHOUT GRANULARITY IN EACH ITEM IN
10:34:57 THE BACKUP.
10:34:58 BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND I KNOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
10:35:01 LOOKS AT THIS AND WE AUDIT IT AS WELL, THAT EVERY CONTRACT
10:35:04 THAT COMES BEFORE YOU HAS BEEN DONE IN A LEGAL, ETHICAL AND
10:35:08 COMPLIANT WAY TO MOVE THAT ITEM FORWARD.
10:35:10 SO WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. BAIRD.
10:35:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE MORE THING, CHIEF.
10:35:14 I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN A REAL CHAMPION TO TRY TO MOVE THIS
10:35:17 THING BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM HEARING THAT SOME OF
10:35:20 THE DEPARTMENT MANAGERS THERE ARE KIND OF LEERY OF JOC SO I
10:35:26 AM HOPING WE CAN START GET THEM TO USING JOC AND THEN BE
10:35:31 BOLSTERED IF THEY UNDERSTAND IT IS AN AVENUE TO GET TO WHAT
10:35:34 WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO.
10:35:35 >>JOHN BENNETT: AND THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT, CHAIRMAN.
10:35:38 ANOTHER THING, TOO, NOT ONLY JOC BUT CONTRACT MANAGEMENT,
10:35:43 WHEN YOU UNBUNDLE THINGS YOU ARE MANAGING MORE CONTRACTS.
10:35:45 SO WE ARE WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE
10:35:48 EMPOWERED TO MANAGE THOSE CONTRACTS, AND GET EVERYBODY
10:35:50 ENGAGED THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE BEST OUTCOME FOR
10:35:55 THE COMMUNITY.
10:35:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
10:35:57 MR. BAIRD.
10:35:58 >>BRAD BAIRD: BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
10:36:03 INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:36:04 FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE TWO ITEMS FROM A PROJECT
10:36:09 STANDPOINT BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO MR. HART TO ADDRESS THE
10:36:14 EBO ISSUES.
10:36:18 THE FIRST ONE, NUMBER 150, IS DAVIS ISLAND BRIDGE REPAIR AND
10:36:24 REHABILITATION.
10:36:26 PROJECT, WHERE WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY A CHANGE ORDER TO
10:36:34 REPAIR SPAULDING AND COATING.
10:36:41 WHEN WE SANDBLASTED THE BRIDGE IN FEBRUARY WAS THAT
10:36:47 ADDITIONAL CORROSION HAD ACCELERATED BEYOND THE ORIGINAL
10:36:50 ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE THREE YEARS AGO.
10:36:56 SO ENGINEER OF RECORD IN MARCH RECOMMENDED THAT WE PERFORM
10:37:01 THESE REPAIRS.
10:37:03 A WORST CASE SCENARIO.
10:37:05 IF WE DON'T, THE BRIDGE WOULD NEED TO BE SHUT DOWN.
10:37:11 AT LEAST DURING NIGHTTIME WORK.
10:37:13 SO VERY TIME SENSITIVE.
10:37:16 VERY IMPORTANT WORK.
10:37:17 AND THIS WORK IS ONGOING.
10:37:20 AS WE SPEAK.
10:37:22 THE SECOND ITEM, ITEM 16, IS HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DAM
10:37:29 ORIGINATION WHERE WE ARE TARGETING IF YOU WILL THE NORTH
10:37:32 EMBANKMENT OF THE DAM WITH SOME GROUNDING PIERS THAT WILL
10:37:43 REINFORCE THIS EMBANKMENT WHICH WAS BUILT 120 YEARS AGO.
10:37:49 WE DID DO SOME WORK ALREADY, BUT REMOVAL OF TREES IN THAT
10:37:53 EMBANKMENT, AND THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT WORK TO HARDEN
10:37:58 THAT DAM AND REDUCE THE RISK OF FAILURE.
10:38:01 SO I WOULD URGE CITY COUNCIL THAT BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ARE
10:38:05 VERY IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT
10:38:10 OVER TO GREGORY HART.
10:38:12 THANK YOU.
10:38:15 >>GREGORY HART: GOOD MORNING, GREGORY HART, EQUAL BUSINESS
10:38:18 OPPORTUNITY.
10:38:21 LET ME RESPOND TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE CHAIRMAN
10:38:24 GUDES JUST ASKED.
10:38:25 WE DO ASSESS THE SCOPE OF PROJECTS AS A TASK AND DETERMINE
10:38:32 WHAT IS SUBCONTRACTABLE, AND WHO IS CERTIFIED, READY WILLING
10:38:39 AND ABLE TO RESPOND TO THOSE TASKS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED
10:38:42 AS SUBCONTRACTABLE.
10:38:44 SO YES, SIR, WE DO DO THAT.
10:38:46 LET ME ALSO SAY, IN REGARD TO THESE TWO PROJECTS, THAT THOSE
10:38:55 MUST BE RETAINED ON THE BASIS OF WORK THAT CORRESPOND WITH
10:38:58 READY, WILLING AND ABLE CERTIFIED.
10:39:03 WITH REGARD TO 15, NOW THIS PROJECT HAD ONE SUBCONTRACTABLE
10:39:10 TASK THAT ALIGNED WITH THE SPECIALIZED SCOPE TO D.O.T.
10:39:16 GUIDELINES, AND THE BIDDER DID A YEOMAN'S JOB WITH THAT ONE
10:39:20 TASK THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS SUBCONTRACTABLE.
10:39:23 THEY REACHED OUT, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT HAS HAPPENED
10:39:25 TO BE STEELE COLTING.
10:39:27 AND WHAT WE DO IN EBO IS WE ARE FAIRLY LIBERAL WHEN WE GIVE
10:39:36 THE CONTRACTORS A CONTACT LIST SO WE PROVIDED THIS BIDDER, I
10:39:41 THINK THERE WERE ONLY TWO BIDDERS ON THIS, BECAUSE OF THE
10:39:44 SPECIALIZED NATURE AND LICENSING REQUIRED BY D.O.T.
10:39:47 BUT ANYWAY, WE GAVE THE CONTRACTOR A LIST OF KNOWING THAT
10:39:56 THEY WERE SPECIALIZE, KNOWING THAT THE SCOPE WAS SPECIALIZED
10:40:00 BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT ANY OF THESE PAINTERS, WE
10:40:04 GIVE THEM A LIST, MAYBE 15.
10:40:08 AND WE WERE HOPING THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE PAINTERS DID
10:40:10 HAVE THE REQUISITE LICENSING TO DO STEELE COATING.
10:40:15 SO WE COULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY.
10:40:18 SO, IN FACT THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
10:40:20 AND AS A RESULT, IT YIELDED NO NBE, SBE PARTICIPATION.
10:40:29 SO IN THAT RESPECT WE DID ALL THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO TO
10:40:32 CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS A SPECIALIZED
10:40:34 AREA OF WORK.
10:40:35 THE CONTRACTOR WITH OUR SUPPORT DID CONTACT ANY AND ALL
10:40:42 PAINTERS TO SEE IF THEY HAD THE REQUISITE LICENSING TO DO
10:40:46 SO.
10:40:46 SO THAT WAS THE RESULT OF 15 WITH THE BRIDGE REPAIR.
10:40:50 IN REGARD TO 16, SIMILARLY, THIS PROJECT HAD THREE, I
10:41:00 BELIEVE IT WAS, SUBCONTRACT CATEGORIES OF WORK, AND WE SET A
10:41:05 GOAL ON THAT BASED UPON THOSE THREE SUBCONTRACTABLE AREAS,
10:41:10 AND FIRMS THAT ARE READY WILLING AND ABLE TO RESPOND TO
10:41:14 THAT, SO THE GOAL THAT WAS SET WAS 2%.
10:41:17 WELL, THE CONTRACTOR WHO DID HIS OUTREACH CONTACTED THOSE
10:41:22 FOLKS WHO WE SAID AT A MINIMUM THEY NEEDED TO CONTACT AND
10:41:25 NETTED A DBE FIRM THAT WOULD ASSIST WITH SOME OF THE EARTH
10:41:30 WORK IN OTHER AREAS, AND THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT $12,000, 2.1
10:41:44 OR 2.2% OF THE GOAL SO IT ACTUALLY MET AND EXCEEDED THE GOAL
10:41:48 SET BASED UPON THE READY, WILLING AND ABLE METHODOLOGY THAT
10:41:52 WE MUST USE.
10:41:53 SO WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SIT BACK AND JUST ARBITRARILY SET
10:41:57 GOALS AND WHILE 10 OR 15% CERTAINLY SOUND GOOD, THAT WOULD
10:42:07 HAVE BEEN ARBITRARY BECAUSE THE SCOPE OF WORK JUST WASN'T
10:42:10 THERE.
10:42:10 2% GOAL SET, AND WE YIELDED 2.1, 2.2% WITH A DBE FIRM.
10:42:17 AS CHIEF BENNETT MADE MENTION, WE ARE TRACKING, IF YOU WILL,
10:42:25 COUNCIL'S AGENDAS THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR, AND WE ARE
10:42:28 LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF THE LONG HAUL.
10:42:32 THEY ARE GOING TO BE AGENDA ITEMS, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE
10:42:35 CONTRACTS THAT ARE GOING TO YIELD TREMENDOUS PARTICIPATION
10:42:37 BASED ON THE SCOPE AND THE FIRMS THAT WE HAVE CERTIFIED, AND
10:42:42 THERE WILL BE OTHERS WHERE OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE NOT
10:42:50 EXISTING IN THE SCOPE, BUT AT THE END WE WANT TO AT THE END
10:42:52 OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU,
10:42:56 COUNCIL, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE TEAM HAS DONE ALL
10:43:03 THAT IS NEEDED TO YIELD THE MOST PARTICIPATION POSSIBLE
10:43:08 BASED ON WHAT THE CITY HAS PROCURED THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL
10:43:12 YEAR.
10:43:12 AND IF I MAY SHARE MY SCREEN, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU HOW
10:43:19 WE ARE FARING THUS FAR.
10:43:27 IS THAT BEING PROJECTED?
10:43:31 >> I CAN'T SEE IT, THOUGH.
10:43:39 >> CLERK'S OFFICE, IS THAT ON THE SCREEN?
10:43:45 >> IT IS ON THE SCREEN.
10:43:46 >> IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SHOW YOU BUT THIS IS
10:43:53 TODAY'S COUNCIL AGENDA. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR LEFT
10:43:55 THERE'S PROBABLY 15 TO 16 AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE
10:44:00 CONTRACTS THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING TODAY.
10:44:04 OF THOSE 15 OR 16, ABOUT FIVE OF THOSE HAD SCOPES OF WORK
10:44:12 WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO OVERLAY ONE OF OUR EBO INCLUSIVE
10:44:16 INITIATIVES, GOALS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
10:44:22 BASED ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY BASED ON ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, THE
10:44:25 END RESULT IS THAT WE HAVE GENERATED 16.7% EBO
10:44:30 PARTICIPATION.
10:44:33 AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT MATRIX, YOU WILL SEE ON THIS
10:44:36 PARTICULAR AGENDA THE DISTRIBUTION OF THAT PARTICIPATION BY
10:44:42 ETHNICITY AND SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS.
10:44:46 NOW THAT'S JUST TODAY'S AGENDA.
10:44:47 LET ME SHOW YOU WHERE YOU AS COUNCIL AND WE AS
10:44:52 ADMINISTRATION ARE GOING IN TERMS OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
10:45:00 THIS IS OUR SCORECARD AS I REFER TO IT OFTEN.
10:45:05 NOW, WE ARE IN OUR THIRD QUARTER.
10:45:09 AND OF ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE ADDRESSED
10:45:11 THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR, THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE TRENDING.
10:45:18 WE ARE ALMOST, I GUESS, TWO THIRD THE WAY THROUGH OUR THIRD
10:45:22 QUARTER, AND TO DATE WE ARE YIELDING 17% EBO PARTICIPATION.
10:45:32 AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR DB PARTICIPATION IS LEADING THE PACK
10:45:37 WITH 7.5% TO DATE.
10:45:38 THIS IS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO YOUR
10:45:41 COUNCIL AGENDA TODAY, HBs AT 3.4%, ABES AT .4, OUR NBEs
10:45:50 DOING FAIRLY WELL, THERE AREN'T MANY CERTIFIED IN OUR
10:45:54 COMMUNITY, AND THEN 5.7%.
10:45:57 SO WE ARE WINNING THE GAME, IF YOU WILL, THUS FAR BUT WE
10:46:02 STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE THIRD QUARTER.
10:46:05 I HAVE THE FOURTH QUARTER TO GO.
10:46:07 WHAT I AM WANTING TO EMPHASIZE HERE IS THAT WE REALIZE THAT
10:46:11 EVERY AGENDA IS NOT GOING TO BE A HOME RUN OR WE ARE NOT
10:46:17 GOING TO NECESSARILY GET ON THE THIRD OR FOURTH BASE ON
10:46:22 EVERY INDICATION BUT WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO GET
10:46:25 SOMEONE ON BASE AND GET THEM TO HOME BASE OR SCORE, WE ARE
10:46:28 GOING TO MAXIMIZE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
10:46:30 AND TODAY'S AGENDA, 15 AND 16, HAPPEN TO BE A COUPLE OF
10:46:34 THOSE PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE MAXIMIZED WHAT IS IN THOSE
10:46:38 SCOPES OF WORK THAT LEND THEMSELVES TO SOME LEVEL OF
10:46:44 PARTICIPATION.
10:46:46 I WILL CLOSE THERE AND STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:46:49 BUT I WANTED TO ATTEMPT TO PUT IT ALL THIS PERSPECTIVE FOR
10:46:53 YOU.
10:46:53 THANK YOU.
10:46:53 >>CARL BRODY: THIS IS CARL BRODY FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:47:00 I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL OF THE TURF WE ARE TREADING ON.
10:47:07 THESE PROGRAMS, EBO PROGRAMS, ARE VERY LIMITED AND SUBJECT
10:47:11 TO STRICT SCRUTINY WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE TO BE NARROWLY
10:47:15 TAILORED.
10:47:15 AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN NARROW THESE EFFECTIVELY IS IF
10:47:20 WE LIMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS, SO THAT, YES, WE SET GOALS, BUT
10:47:25 THOSE GOALS HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE
10:47:28 COMMUNITY, AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS
10:47:31 OF WHAT PERCENTAGES ARE BEING RELATED TO THE GOALS THAT WE
10:47:36 CAN ACHIEVE.
10:47:37 AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIALIZED CONTRACT LIKE
10:47:41 THIS, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE AVAILABLE CONTRACTORS IN THE NBE
10:47:47 CATEGORY.
10:47:47 AND THE CORRECT OUTCOME IS THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO
10:47:51 PROVIDE A WMBE FOR THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE
10:47:56 OUR OUTREACH REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE
10:48:01 ORDINANCE, AND THAT ASSURES THAT WE DO AT LEAST MAKE THOSE
10:48:06 WMBEs IN THE COMMUNITY AWARE THAT THESE CONTRACTS ARE
10:48:10 AVAILABLE.
10:48:10 SO WE GO OUT.
10:48:11 WE TRY TO FIND WHO IS AVAILABLE.
10:48:13 WE DO THE BEST JOB WE CAN.
10:48:15 BUT SOMETIMES WE ARE GOING TO RUN INTO A PROBLEM WHERE THERE
10:48:18 JUST ARE NOT ELIGIBLE WMBEs TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT WE
10:48:24 NEED.
10:48:26 THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DO UNDER THE
10:48:29 CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARDS UNDER NARROWLY TAILORED.
10:48:35 SO THIS IS NOT TO BE UNEXPECTED PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU ARE
10:48:40 TALKING ABOUT A SPECIALIZED AGREEMENT LIKE THIS, BUT EBO,
10:48:43 THEY ARE UNDERTAKING MANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE
10:48:48 THAT WE ARE GETTING MAXIMIZED WMBE PARTICIPATION.
10:48:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:48:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR THAT VERY,
10:48:59 VERY LENGTHY, LONG-WINDED EXPLANATIONS.
10:49:07 MR. BAIRD PROVIDED ME WITH ADEQUATE EXPLANATION IN REGARD TO
10:49:12 THE BRIDGE REPAIR.
10:49:13 I THINK THAT'S HAIL SPECIALIZED.
10:49:16 AND I WILL BE WILLING TO SUPPORT ITEM 15.
10:49:18 I WILL NOT BE WILLING TO SUPPORT ITEM 16.
10:49:21 I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY IN THAT TYPE OF
10:49:25 PROJECT TO -- AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FOLKS ON OUR LIST,
10:49:29 THEN WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING A LIST.
10:49:33 AND I AM NOT GOING TO DRINK THE KOOL AID.
10:49:36 SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION; MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:49:39 I'LL PASS THE GAVEL TO MR. CARLSON IN REGARD TO -- MOVING
10:49:43 ITEM 15 OR 16 IF YOU SO WISH.
10:49:47 SINCE HE'S THE VICE CHAIR.
10:49:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PLAINTIFF CARLSON?
10:49:52 CARL.
10:49:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ACTUALLY, I WILL MOVE ITEM 15 BECAUSE I
10:49:56 SAID I WILL VOTE FOR IT.
10:49:57 >> SECOND.
10:49:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
10:50:03 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:50:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:50:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:50:07 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:50:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:50:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:50:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:50:11 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:50:12 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, SO ON ITEM 16, I PHILOSOPHICALLY
10:50:20 AGREE WITH MR. DINGFELDER, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE BUSINESS
10:50:27 MOVING, AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP THE NUMBERS
10:50:35 GOING UP BUT FOR NOW I WILL MOVE NUMBER 16.
10:50:40 >> SECOND.
10:50:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:50:43 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:50:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:50:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:50:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:50:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
10:50:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:50:51 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
10:50:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY ONE THING.
10:50:57 I KNOW THE EBO AND CHIEF BENNETT IS WORKING HARD, ESPECIALLY
10:51:01 MR. BRODY, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
10:51:04 AT TIMES, GENTLEMEN, I SEE GUYS ON THE ROAD WORKING, AND I
10:51:09 GET THEIR NAMES, AND I ASK THAT QUESTION, ARE YOU CERTIFIED
10:51:12 WITH THE CITY?
10:51:14 LOTS OF TIMES THE ANSWER IS NO.
10:51:18 I GET THEIR NAMES, THEIR PHONE NUMBER, THEIR COMPANY, AND I
10:51:22 SEND TO THE MR. SPEARMAN AND TO MR. HART.
10:51:25 SOMETIMES I GET DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY SAY, WELL, WE TRADE,
10:51:28 TRIED, AND DIDN'T CALL BACK.
10:51:30 YOU DON'T KNOW HOW DISAPPOINTING THAT IS TO ME AT TIMES.
10:51:33 BUT WE CAN'T STOP THERE.
10:51:35 WE HAVE TO KEEP TRYING.
10:51:36 I KNOW SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT
10:51:38 PARTICIPATION.
10:51:39 I DO UNDERSTAND IT BUT I THINK THAT IN YOUR REPORT, WE NEED
10:51:44 TO INDICATE WHY THE EFFORTS WERE PUT OUT, THAT WAY WE DON'T
10:51:50 GET QUESTIONED ON WHY WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. MAYBE
10:51:54 THE REPORT NEEDS TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE MEAT IN IT, MR.
10:51:57 BRODY, AND THAT WAY COUNCIL ISN'T REQUESTING THAT KIND OF
10:52:01 QUESTION, WHY ISN'T IT OR WHAT HAPPENED?
10:52:07 MIGHT SAY, WELL, IT'S SPECIALIZED CIRCUMSTANCES, WE GO
10:52:11 THROUGH OUR LIST, AND NOBODY CAN DO THAT JOB, AND THAT'S WHY
10:52:16 WE DIDN'T GET PARTICIPATION.
10:52:17 IT'S A MAIN FACTOR WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE
10:52:20 CONTRACTS.
10:52:22 ANY QUESTIONS?
10:52:27 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:52:28 JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS.
10:52:30 THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
10:52:31 I WILL SAY THAT IF ANY COUNCIL OR ANY PUBLIC RUNS INTO AN
10:52:36 OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOMEBODY CERTIFIED AND THEY GET FEEDBACK
10:52:39 THAT THERE WAS COMPLICATIONS OR BARRIERS THAT GET THAT TO MY
10:52:42 OFFICE AND I WILL PERSONALLY WALK THROUGH THAT WITH MS.
10:52:46 WYNN'S OFFICE AND DOWN TO MR. HART'S OFFICE.
10:52:49 SECONDLY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT DURING
10:52:52 THE WORKSHOP COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SUPPORTED BY I BELIEVE
10:52:55 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TALKED ABOUT THE CITY HELPING TO
10:53:00 OVERCOME SOME OF THESE BARRIERS AS RELATES TO INSURANCE AND
10:53:03 OTHER THINGS.
10:53:04 AND I KNOW THAT STAFF IS WILLING, SO MAYBE WE CAN REDISCUSS
10:53:08 THAT AT THE WORKSHOP HERE COMING UP AT THE END OF THE MONTH
10:53:10 TO HELP SOME OF THESE START-UPS AND SMALL GROUPS GET
10:53:14 CERTIFIED AND COVERED IN THE INITIAL PHASE OF THEIR
10:53:18 ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
10:53:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
10:53:22 I KNOW MR. BRODY, I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH HIM IN
10:53:25 REFERENCE TO A COUPLE OF ISSUES REFERENCE TO BONDING AND
10:53:27 LIABILITY INSURANCE.
10:53:29 I KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH SOME OF THOSE FOLKS IN THE
10:53:31 COMMUNITY, AND HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS.
10:53:34 SO I AM HOPING WE ARE KIND OF MOVING THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD
10:53:37 AND MAKE SURE THOSE FOLKS GET AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AND BE
10:53:41 ON OUR LIST.
10:53:42 SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE THE BOND SITUATION GOING ON,
10:53:47 MR. DINGFELDER.
10:53:47 WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT?
10:53:49 WORKING WITH STAFF, OR ANYBODY DOING IT?
10:53:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF.
10:53:55 MAYBE THAT GOES ON THAT LAUNDRY LIST FOR THAT WORKSHOP.
10:53:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MADE A MOTION TO COME BACK AND MR.
10:54:06 BENNETT HAS ALLUDED TO IT NOW, THAT IS WHEN YOU ARE
10:54:09 QUALIFIED TO DO A JOB, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO
10:54:12 GET THE JOB, BECAUSE IT COMES WITH OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU MAY
10:54:15 NOT HAVE, THE CAPITAL TO DO.
10:54:17 CERTAINLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BOND, PERFORMANCE BOND.
10:54:20 YOU HAVE A FINANCIAL OPERATION.
10:54:22 YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE -- BE ABLE TO PAY FOR YOUR WORKMAN'S
10:54:26 COMPENSATION, AND YOU ASK 99% OF THE PUBLIC, THEY DON'T HAVE
10:54:30 NONE OF THAT.
10:54:31 AND I AM NOT BEING DISSING IS TO ALL THE 99% OF THE PUBLIC
10:54:36 BUT THE MOTION THAT I ORIGINALLY MADE WAS THAT WE WORK WITH
10:54:39 THE ADMINISTRATION, THAT THEY TAKE THE LEAD IN SECURING
10:54:42 THESE THINGS, AND WHEN PAYMENT IS MADE TO THAT SUBCONTRACTOR
10:54:46 TO DO THE JOB THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE SUBTRACTED FROM THE
10:54:49 PAYMENT TO PAY FOR THE BOND THAT HE OR SHE YOU DIDN'T HAVE,
10:54:52 AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK MR. BENNETT WAS ALLUDING TO.
10:54:54 >>OCEA WYNN: IF I MAY JUMP IN.
10:54:59 I AM NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SEE ME OR NOT.
10:55:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:55:05 >>OCEA WYNN: YES.
10:55:06 SO WE HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD ON IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES FOR
10:55:10 BOTH BONDING AND INSURANCE, WHEN THE REQUEST CAME FROM
10:55:15 COUNCIL MONTHS AGO, WE STARTED TO RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATING
10:55:21 WHAT THAT WILL INVOLVE, AND DURING THE WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK,
10:55:26 WE WILL REPORT ON SOME OF THE FINDINGS AND OBSERVATIONS.
10:55:35 SO I WANTED TO SAY WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS IN THAT AREA.
10:55:38 NOTHING SOLIDIFIED JUST YET BUT WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS IN
10:55:41 THAT AREA.
10:55:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:55:42 YOU KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES ARE DIAGNOSE
10:55:45 THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM AS
10:55:47 WELL AND SEE HOW THEY ARE DOING.
10:55:49 I KNOW MR. BRODY HEARD THOSE ISSUES, AND TEACHING ME SOME
10:55:56 THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW AND KICKING THAT BALL DOWN THE FIELD.
10:55:58 SO WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE WAYS TO GO BUT I APPRECIATE ALL
10:56:04 THE EFFORTS.
10:56:04 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
10:56:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL MOVE ON.
10:56:07 MR. CARLSON, CAN YOU MOVE 32 THROUGH 39, SIR?
10:56:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S ME, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:56:19 23 THROUGH 31 I MOVE.
10:56:20 >> SECOND.
10:56:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED AND SECONDED.
10:56:27 ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:56:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:56:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:56:30 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:56:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:56:34 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:56:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:56:39 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:56:42 >>BILL CARLSON: THE NEXT ONE COMING UP, ITEM 38, I WAS
10:56:47 REMINDED BY JEAN STROHMEYER'S COMMENTS THIS MORNING THAT SHE
10:56:50 SENT US A VERY LONG EMAIL ABOUT NUMBER 34, AND I HATE TO
10:56:52 DUMP THIS ON THE LAST MINUTE, BUT IF MR. BENNETT OR SOMEBODY
10:56:56 COULD JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
10:56:59 CAN SOMEBODY ASSURE US THAT THAT LEASE IS AT MARKET RATE?
10:57:03 SHE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS.
10:57:07 NUMBER 34.
10:57:09 IT'S A SUBMERGED LAND LEASE SITE FOR A BOAT SLIP OR
10:57:14 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
10:57:24 I APOLOGIZE TO THE CHIEF; HER COMMENTS REMINDED OF THIS.
10:57:27 CAN I MOVE 32, 33, AND THEN 35 THROUGH 39?
10:57:34 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
10:57:36 >>BILL CARLSON: SO 32 AND THEN 35 THROUGH 39.
10:57:39 >> MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY -- I'M SORRY, MR.
10:57:48 CARLSON.
10:57:49 MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED.
10:57:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.
10:57:57 (ROLL CALL VOTE).
10:57:58 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CITRO BEING
10:58:02 ABSENT AT VOTE.
10:58:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND HOLD THAT FOR STAFF REPORTS?
10:58:06 IS THAT YOUR REQUEST, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
10:58:08 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:58:09 THANK YOU.
10:58:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
10:58:13 LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER -- BEFORE WE GO INTO STAFF REPORTS,
10:58:20 NUMBER 40, MR. VIERA.
10:58:21 WE GO INTO STAFF REPORTS WITH 41 AND 42.
10:58:25 MR. SHELBY, YOU WILL NEED TO READ THOSE, CORRECT?
10:58:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 40?
10:58:30 THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR STAFF REPORTS.
10:58:31 NUMBER 40.
10:58:32 41 AND 42 ARE ON THE CONSENT DOCKET FOR ITEMS BEING SET BY
10:58:37 COUNCIL CONSENT.
10:58:37 ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK SOMEBODY TO MOVE TWO RESOLUTIONS
10:58:41 WITHOUT COMMENT.
10:58:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOTIONED IT.
10:58:45 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
10:58:47 ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:58:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:58:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:58:56 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:58:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:59:00 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:59:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:59:02 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CITRO BEING
10:59:04 ABSENT AT VOTE.
10:59:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:59:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, I
10:59:10 KNOW WE HAVE HAD A FEW CALLS AND CONTACTS ABOUT 41 AND 42,
10:59:16 THE BROWNFIELD ISSUES.
10:59:20 41, BROWNFIELD.
10:59:21 I WANT TO SAY TO ANYBODY THAT'S LISTENING OR WATCHING THAT
10:59:24 WHAT WE HAVE DONE TODAY IS MERELY TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING.
10:59:27 THAT'S JUST A MINISTERIAL TASK THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY
10:59:32 OPTIONS ABOUT.
10:59:34 WE ARE NOW SETTING PUBLIC HEARING FOR JUNE 3rd, AND THEN
10:59:39 JUNE 24th ON THE FIRST ONE.
10:59:42 SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THE MERITS OF THAT
10:59:45 BROWNFIELD, ON ITEM 41, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S WHEN THEY CAN
10:59:49 COME AND DO IT.
10:59:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW MR. MIRANDA'S HAND.
10:59:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG WITH MR. DINGFELDER ON 42 THAT IS
10:59:58 NOT A NEW TAX.
11:00:00 THAT'S A TAX THAT WAS PASSED BY THE TAXPAYERS BACK IN
11:00:04 SEPTEMBER OF '96, 30 YEAR TAX, HALF PENNY, TO FUND CERTAIN
11:00:10 ITEMS.
11:00:10 THAT SAME OPERATION WENT TO THE TAXPAYERS IN FEBRUARY OF 96,
11:00:15 AND THEY HAD LITTLE SUPPORT FROM ANY MEDIA OUTLET TO THE
11:00:20 POINT OF -- I CAN'T SAY, IT WAS SOME SUPPORT, BUS IT'S JUST
11:00:27 FOR GOVERNMENT AND THE SCHOOL BOARD AND IT FAILED.
11:00:30 THE SAME PROJECT WAS BROUGHT IN BACK IN SEPTEMBER, AND THOSE
11:00:34 BEHIND THAT PROJECT SPENT 484,000 MAKING SURE IT PASSED.
11:00:38 THE TAXPAYERS SPENT ZERO.
11:00:40 AND IT PASSED 51-49 AND THAT WAS TO FUND STADIUMS ALONG WITH
11:00:45 THE PUBLIC NEED.
11:00:46 BUT THIS ADDRESSES THE LAST BITE OF THE HALF PENNY SALES TAX
11:00:50 THAT WILL BE USED IN THIS GOVERNMENT FOR WHAT IT HAS BEEN
11:00:54 USED IN THE PAST, FOR EQUIPMENT AND AUTOMOBILES AND THINGS
11:00:58 OF THAT NATURE.
11:01:00 ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO TO MAKE THE PUBLIC HAVE THE SERVICES
11:01:04 THAT THIS GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GIVE TO THE PUBLIC.
11:01:06 AND THIS IS THE LAST BITE OF IT.
11:01:08 SO BE AWARE OF IT.
11:01:10 I HAVE HEARD RUMORS IN THE STREET THAT THAT CONTRACT, I
11:01:13 DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT IN THAT BOARD AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ON
11:01:17 THE BOARD, I COULD HAVE APPOINTED MYSELF TO THE BOARD MANY
11:01:20 TIMES WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN, I NEVER DID THAT.
11:01:23 HOWEVER, THIS IS A STREET THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT A REVAMP
11:01:27 AND MAYBE EVEN THE SPORTS AUTHORITY MAY NOT EACH BE AWARE OF
11:01:31 THIS.
11:01:31 MAYBE THIS IS A FALSE RUMOR THAT I HEARD, THAT NOW THEY WANT
11:01:34 500 MILLION.
11:01:38 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A FACT.
11:01:40 I APOLOGIZE.
11:01:41 IT'S A RUMOR THAT I HEARD ON THE STREET AND I HAVE TO
11:01:44 EXPRESS IT.
11:01:44 BUT THIS IS NOT A NEW SALES TAX.
11:01:47 THIS IS THE LAST BITE FOR THIS GOVERNMENT, THE COUNTY
11:01:49 GOVERNMENT, TO HAVE WHAT WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY OF 96
11:01:54 WHERE IT FAILED.
11:01:55 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:01:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:01:57 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA JUST SAID,
11:02:01 IT'S NOT A NEW TAX BUT ALSO THIS IS SCHEDULING A PUBLIC
11:02:03 HEARING, SO THE CITY CAN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW TO
11:02:07 SPEND IT WHICH I THINK IS WHAT WE WANT.
11:02:09 SO IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
11:02:10 BUT TO THE OTHER POINT, FOLLOWING ON WHAT COUNCILMAN
11:02:14 DINGFELDER SAID ALSO, I HAVE ALSO HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE
11:02:18 BROWNFIELD SITE, AND MY HAVING LOOKED AT IT SO FAR, I WILL
11:02:22 LOOK AT IT AGAIN MORE BEFORE IT COMES UP FOR THE MEETING,
11:02:25 BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE BROWNFIELDS FROM THE ISSUE
11:02:28 OF WHAT WOULD GO ON THE LAND.
11:02:31 IT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE AND THE INTENT IS TO STOP BROWNFIELD
11:02:36 REMEDIATION, TO STOP ANOTHER PROJECT.
11:02:38 I THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO ISSUES.
11:02:40 BROWNFIELD MEANS THAT THERE'S ENVIRONMENTALLY POLLUTED LAND,
11:02:43 AND THIS IS ENVIRONMENTALLY POLLUTED LAND IN SOUTH TAMPA,
11:02:46 AND I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN IT UP.
11:02:48 WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW ENVIRONMENTALLY POLLUTED LAND TO
11:02:51 CONTINUE BECAUSE COUNTY SEEP INTO THE AQUIFER AND OTHER
11:02:54 NATURAL RESOURCES THAT HARM OUR ENVIRONMENT.
11:02:56 THEN THE ISSUES AS TO WHAT SHOULD GO ON THE LAND IS
11:02:58 SEPARATE.
11:02:58 THANK YOU.
11:02:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:03:00 WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:03:03 43 THROUGH 49.
11:03:05 MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.
11:03:06 SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
11:03:07 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:03:08 ANY OPPOSED?
11:03:10 ALL RIGHT.
11:03:10 ITEM NUMBER 43.
11:03:11 >>RYAN MANASSE: FILE AB 2-21-04 IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND
11:03:22 READING AND ADOPTION.
11:03:23 IT WAS FOR A SMALL VENUE ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES FOR
11:03:27 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION FOR THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AND
11:03:30 THAT WAS LOCATED AT 6203 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
11:03:33 CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
11:03:35 WITH THE CORRECTIONS FROM THE REVISION SHEET AS WELL AS WHAT
11:03:37 WAS DISCUSSED AT CITY COUNCIL ON FIRST READING.
11:03:40 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:03:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THE APPLICANT HERE?
11:03:46 >>THE CLERK: APPLICANT DID NOT REGISTER FOR THIS ITEM
11:03:50 VIRTUALLY.
11:03:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
11:03:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. DINGFELDER.
11:03:58 SECOND BY THE MR. MANISCALCO.
11:04:02 MR. MANISCALCO, READ ITEM 43, PLEASE.
11:04:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
11:04:09 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A
11:04:12 SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL
11:04:15 VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES
11:04:18 CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT
11:04:21 OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT
11:04:25 6203 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE
11:04:29 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL
11:04:32 ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
11:04:35 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:04:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
11:04:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
11:04:41 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:04:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:04:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:04:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:04:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:04:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:04:52 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
11:04:55 ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:04:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
11:05:08 >>RYAN MANASSE: THIS IS NUMBER 44, FILE AB 2-21-07, FOR
11:05:13 BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, 3800 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE, AGAIN
11:05:16 CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
11:05:18 WITH THE CORRECTIONS FROM FIRST READING AND THE REVISION
11:05:21 SHEET.
11:05:21 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:05:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:05:24 IS THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE?
11:05:25 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
11:05:39 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
11:05:41 >>THE CLERK: I THINK YOU ARE MUTED.
11:05:48 >> TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
11:05:55 GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:05:56 I APPRECIATE YOUR UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION AT
11:05:58 THE LAST HEARING.
11:05:59 I WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW POINTS.
11:06:01 FIRST THERE WERE THREE SUGGESTED CHANGES THAT COUNCIL MADE
11:06:04 REGARDING SOME LIMITS, ENDING SOUND AT 10 P.M. WHICH WE
11:06:09 UPDATED, HOURS OF OPERATION WHICH WE MADE THAT CHANGE, AND
11:06:12 ALSO PROHIBITING TURNS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:06:18 CHAIRMAN GUDES, MIGHT RECALL THAT THEY'RE WHATS A NEIGHBOR
11:06:21 WHO EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
11:06:23 WE THINK BASED UPON A MISCONCEPTION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO
11:06:26 BE A LIQUOR STORE, AND MY CLIENT DID MEET WITH VICKI
11:06:33 BERNARDO, AND GAVE HER AND HER CLIENT, A TOUR OF THE
11:06:37 FACILITY, AND HER CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
11:06:41 I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:06:44 I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN.
11:06:46 THANKS.
11:06:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:06:50 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
11:06:52 >> NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:06:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE?
11:06:56 MR. MIRANDA, SECOND FROM MR. MANISCALCO.
11:06:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:07:00 MR. CARLSON.
11:07:01 >>BILL CARLSON: AB 2-21-07, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
11:07:07 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A
11:07:10 SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 INFORM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES
11:07:14 LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND MAKING LAWFUL THE
11:07:16 SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT BEER, WINE
11:07:19 AND LIQUOR AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN PLOT, LOT OR TRACT OF
11:07:24 LAND LOCATED AT 3800 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE AS MORE
11:07:27 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 PROVIDING THAT ALL
11:07:30 ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
11:07:32 REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2018-145 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
11:07:37 DATE.
11:07:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
11:07:42 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:07:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:07:45 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:07:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:07:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:07:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:07:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:07:52 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
11:07:54 ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:07:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:07:59 ITEM NUMBER 45, MR. MANASSE.
11:08:02 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 45 IS AB 2-21-13, THIS IS
11:08:06 BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, FOR A SMALL
11:08:09 VENUE CONSUMPTION OFF PREMISES ONLY BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
11:08:12 AND THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1315 EAST 7TH AVENUE
11:08:16 SUITE 101, CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE
11:08:19 CITY CLERK, AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
11:08:22 HAVE.
11:08:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:08:24 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
11:08:26 APPLICANT, PLEASE.
11:08:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. ROBINSON?
11:08:34 YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN, SIR.
11:08:37 >> OH, SORRY.
11:08:38 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
11:08:40 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
11:08:44 I DO.
11:08:47 SHAWN ROBINSON, REPRESENTATIVE FOR LA PALOMA LOUNGE, 1315
11:08:54 EAST 7th.
11:08:55 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
11:08:56 WE CONCUR WITH STAFF, AND WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD
11:09:00 UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:09:03 MY CLIENT IS AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK WITH HER.
11:09:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:09:07 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:09:12 >> SECOND.
11:09:12 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:09:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED TO CLOSE.
11:09:21 MR. CITRO, ITEM NUMBER 45, PLEASE.
11:09:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE AB 2-21-13, AN ORDINANCE BEING
11:09:27 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
11:09:30 APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
11:09:34 SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY, AND MAKING
11:09:39 LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
11:09:43 CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
11:09:48 TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1315 EAST 7TH AVENUE, SUITE 101,
11:09:54 TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
11:09:58 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
11:10:01 CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:10:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:10:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
11:10:11 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:10:13 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:10:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:10:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:10:15 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:10:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:10:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:10:19 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:10:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:10:21 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:10:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 46, SIR.
11:10:25 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 46, AB 2-21-15 BEFORE YOU FOR
11:10:30 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FOR A SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
11:10:33 PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION OF MAKE
11:10:37 AND BUYER WAYNE, THE LOCATION 1701 WEST GRAY STREET AND
11:10:41 CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
11:10:43 WITH THE CORRECTIONS AS STATED FROM THE FIRST READING AT THE
11:10:46 HEARING AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
11:10:48 HAVE.
11:10:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:10:51 ANY QUESTIONS?
11:10:52 DO WE HAVE APE AN APPLICANT?
11:10:58 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
11:10:59 >> YES.
11:11:04 AS STAFF EXPLAINED, OUR APPLICANT AGREED TO THE CONDITIONS
11:11:09 OF THE OPERATION AND THE NOISE OR AFTER 10 P.M. BEING CUT
11:11:14 OFF.
11:11:15 SO OTHER THAN THAT, NO CHANGES WERE MADE AND WE ARE HERE FOR
11:11:18 ANY QUESTIONS.
11:11:19 THANK YOU.
11:11:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
11:11:21 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED?
11:11:24 >> NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:11:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA TO CLOSE.
11:11:30 SECOND BY CITRO.
11:11:31 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:11:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:11:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY.
11:11:37 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:11:38 ANY OPPOSED?
11:11:39 MR. DINGFELDER, 46.
11:11:43 I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF.
11:11:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE FILE AB 2-21-15.
11:11:50 I MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND
11:11:52 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2
11:11:56 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON
11:11:59 PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION, AND
11:12:03 MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT
11:12:06 CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1701 WEST GRAY
11:12:10 STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
11:12:13 SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
11:12:16 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
11:12:18 DATE.
11:12:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:12:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.
11:12:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:12:28 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:12:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:12:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:12:32 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:12:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
11:12:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:12:36 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
11:12:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 47.
11:12:45 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 47 IS FILE REZ 21-18.
11:12:49 IT'S BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
11:12:51 THIS WAS A REZONING REQUEST FOR 3724 WEST SAN PEDRO STREET.
11:12:56 THE REZONING WAS FROM PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED
11:13:00 DEVELOPMENT FOR OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, CERTIFIED
11:13:02 SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK WITH
11:13:05 CORRECTIONS MADE, AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS
11:13:07 YOU MAY HAVE.
11:13:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
11:13:12 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
11:13:14 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I'M ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
11:13:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE YOU SWORN IN?
11:13:20 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I HAVE BEEN.
11:13:22 STEVE MICK LIEN FOR THE PETITIONER.
11:13:25 WE HAVE MADE THE CORRECTIONS AND STIPULATED IN OUR HEARING
11:13:28 PREVIOUSLY.
11:13:28 IT'S BEEN CERTIFIED BY THE CITY STAFF.
11:13:30 AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORTING
11:13:33 THE SECOND READING.
11:13:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
11:13:36 DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
11:13:39 >> NO ONE HAS REGISTERED.
11:13:41 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:13:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA AND SECOND BY CITRO.
11:13:47 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:13:48 >> REZ 2 IS-18, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
11:13:55 REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3724 WEST SAN
11:13:59 PEDRO STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
11:14:02 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:14:05 CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS
11:14:08 PROFESSIONAL, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS
11:14:12 PROFESSIONAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:14:13 >> SECOND.
11:14:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED, CITRO SECONDED: ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:14:20 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:14:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:14:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:14:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:14:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:14:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:14:28 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:14:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 48.
11:14:33 >> THIS IS ROSS WITH DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION OF CITY OF
11:14:39 TAMPA PRESENTING FILE VAC 21-05 FOR SECOND READING AND
11:14:44 ADOPTION.
11:14:45 IT'S A REQUEST FOR AN ALLEYWAY VACATING LOCATED SOUTH OF
11:14:49 CURTIS STREET, NORTH OF HILDA STREET, EAST OF NORTH
11:14:53 BOULEVARD, WEST OF CLEARFIELD AVENUE, 602 AND 604 WEST
11:14:59 CURTIS STREET.
11:14:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THERE?
11:15:04 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
11:15:16 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
11:15:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE SCREENS ON THE DAIS ARE NOT WORKING.
11:15:29 THANK YOU.
11:15:41 YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN, SIR?
11:15:44 CAN YOU HEAR US, SIR?
11:15:45 >> YES.
11:15:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE READY.
11:15:48 >> YES,
11:15:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:16:00 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
11:16:02 ANYBODY REGISTERED?
11:16:03 >> NO ONE HAS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:16:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE?
11:16:08 MOTION BY MIRANDA, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
11:16:11 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:16:12 ANY OPPOSED?
11:16:13 MOTION CARRIED.
11:16:14 MR. VIERA, ITEM NUMBER 48, PLEASE SIR.
11:16:17 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:16:18 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
11:16:21 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING,
11:16:24 ABANDONING A PORTION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH
11:16:26 OF CURTIS STREET NORTH OF HILDA STREET EAST OF NORTH
11:16:29 BOULEVARD AND WEST OF CLEARFIELD AVENUE WITHIN THE REVISED
11:16:32 PLAT OF SPRING HEIGHTS, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:16:35 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
11:16:38 IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT,
11:16:41 RESERVATIONS COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE
11:16:45 PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:16:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA MOVED IT.
11:16:49 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED.
11:16:51 ROLL CALL.
11:16:52 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:16:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:16:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:16:58 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:16:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:17:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:17:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:17:03 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
11:17:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 49 OUR LAST ITEM.
11:17:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO STRIKE PURSUANT TO THE
11:17:15 PETITIONER'S REQUEST.
11:17:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL, PLEASE.
11:17:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MADE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW.
11:17:22 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
11:17:24 ROLL CALL.
11:17:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:17:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:17:33 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:17:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:17:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:17:37 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:17:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:17:39 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:17:56 STAFF REPORTS.
11:18:08 AND WE HAVE MR. CARLSON'S ITEMS 32 AND 34.
11:18:16 I KNOW WE SAID 1:30 FOR STAFF REPORTS BUT WE ARE A LITTLE
11:18:20 EARLY.
11:18:24 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR ITEM 40?
11:18:27 >>VIK BHIDE: MOBILITY DEPARTMENT FOR ITEM 40.
11:18:41 THIS ITEM IS RELATED TO THE RENEWAL OF THE EXISTING SCOOTER
11:18:48 PILOT THAT WAS INITIATED OVER A YEAR AGO.
11:18:51 THE RENEWAL IS NECESSARY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OUR NEW PROGRAM
11:18:56 IS GOING THROUGH A -- WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE SERVICES.
11:19:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION.
11:19:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER.
11:19:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A BRIEFING IN ADVANCE ON THIS WOULD HAVE
11:19:09 BEEN GOOD, VIK, BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT ALL YOU
11:19:14 WANTED -- THIS IS JUST A STOP GAP UNTIL YOU ARE PROPOSING
11:19:18 SOMETHING ELSE?
11:19:19 >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR.
11:19:21 THIS IS A CONTINUANCE OF THE ORIGINAL PILOT UNTIL THE NEW
11:19:26 PROGRAM CAN BE READY.
11:19:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU ANTICIPATE THE NEW PROGRAM
11:19:33 PERHAPS BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS?
11:19:40 [NO ENCODER] [NO ENCODER]
11:20:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: -- MANY, MANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
11:20:12 I'M SURE COUNCIL HAS MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE
11:20:14 COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT SCOOTERS OVER THE LAST
11:20:18 COUPLE OF YEARS.
11:20:19 SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS OUT ON THE STREET.
11:20:24 I'M NOT SURE THE REST OF COUNCIL DID.
11:20:26 I GUESS MAYBE YOU WANT TO DO INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS OR MAYBE
11:20:30 YOU JUST WANT TO SCHEDULE A STAFF REPORT OR PUT IT ON SOME
11:20:35 SORT OF WORKSHOP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS SO IT DOESN'T
11:20:38 JUST POP UP AT THE LAST MINUTE WITH A FINAL DEAL.
11:20:43 AS FAR AS TODAY IS CONCERNED, I'M OKAY WITH THE SIX MONTH
11:20:46 CONTINUANCE.
11:20:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, SO AM I.
11:20:55 HOWEVER, IN THE REPORT, VIK, I WOULD IMAGINE ON YOUR REPORT
11:20:58 YOU WOULD HAVE SOME STANDARDIZATION OF WHAT COMPLAINTS WE
11:21:01 RECEIVED AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
11:21:03 I HAD COMPLAINTS OF PEOPLE THAT DRIVING MUCH MORE THAN THE
11:21:06 SPEED LIMIT WAS GIVEN, AND THE OTHER DAY I IN CITY HALL I
11:21:12 LOOKED AROUND AND SAW ABOUT SIX OF THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF
11:21:15 FLORIDA AVENUE AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS APPROPRIATE BUT
11:21:17 THAT WAS JUST ME.
11:21:18 I APPRECIATE THE REPORT.
11:21:19 I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE IT IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
11:21:22 THANK YOU.
11:21:22 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE I HAVE
11:21:30 GOTTEN MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE
11:21:32 LAST TWO YEARS, AND THEY DROPPED OFF IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS
11:21:35 OR A YEAR, PROBABLY BECAUSE PEOPLE GOT TIRED OF COMPLAINING,
11:21:40 BUT I KNOW MR. BHIDE IS WORKING HARD TO COME UP AND WORKING
11:21:44 WITH VENDORS TO COME UP WITH A NEW SOLUTION THAT WILL BE
11:21:47 DIFFERENT THAN THIS SOLUTION.
11:21:48 BUT I JUST CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT AN OVERWHELMING
11:21:52 NUMBER OF MY CONSTITUENTS HATE.
11:21:53 THANK YOU.
11:21:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL ADD MY TWO CENTS WORTH.
11:22:00 I RIDE THESE SCOOTERS.
11:22:01 I LOVE THEM.
11:22:02 IF I CAN GET FROM HEAR TO THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR A
11:22:05 CERTAIN FUNCTION THE FIRST THING I DO IS JUMP ON A SCOOTER.
11:22:08 YES, I TOO HAVE ALSO HEARD COMPLAINTS, MOSTLY FROM PEOPLE
11:22:12 WHO ARE TRYING TO WALK ON SIDEWALKS WHILE SCOOTERS ARE
11:22:15 TRYING TO WHIP BY THEM.
11:22:16 I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND I WALK TO THE CONVENTION
11:22:21 CENTER AND HAVE TO STEP OFF THE SIDEWALK SO SCOOTERS CAN GO
11:22:24 BY US.
11:22:26 I ENJOY THESE THINGS.
11:22:28 I WOULD LIKE TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT IT.
11:22:30 THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
11:22:31 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:22:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M HOPING IN THE FUTURE, MR. DINGFELDER
11:22:34 CAUGHT IT, WITH SOME OF THESE ITEMS LIKE THESE, UNDER
11:22:40 CONSENT AGENDA, AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING
11:22:44 ABOUT ALL THE TIME ABOUT THESE SCOOTERS.
11:22:47 I HAVE COMPLAINTS.
11:22:50 BUT I THINK WE HAVE CERTAIN TOPICS, BUZZ TOPIC, WHERE
11:22:54 COUNCIL IS SAYING PULL IT FROM THE ITEM AND TALK ABOUT.
11:22:58 I THINK THINGS LIKE THIS, AND THE CHIEF IS STAFF IS
11:23:01 LISTENING, CERTAIN THINGS UNDER STAFF REPORTS, AND WE
11:23:07 ACTUALLY LET COUNCIL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON SO WE CAN REALLY
11:23:10 ADDRESS THE ISSUES.
11:23:11 BUT I AM APPRECIATIVE, YOU ALWAYS DO A GOOD JOB, SO I HAVE
11:23:16 TO GIVE YOU THAT PROP ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU DO WORK HARD
11:23:19 AND WE APPRECIATE YOU.
11:23:20 >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU.
11:23:22 AND CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DO BRIEFINGS
11:23:25 WITH COUNCIL AS WE USUALLY AND OFTENTIMES DO.
11:23:29 WHEN THIS COMES UP WITH COUNCIL.
11:23:32 BUT REST ASSURED THE REPORT THAT WE HAVE SHARED WILL REFLECT
11:23:35 THAT WE REACHED OUT TO MORE THAN 1400 PEOPLE, USERS AND
11:23:40 NONUSERS, ACROSS INCOMES, ACROSS GENDERS, TO GET FEEDBACK
11:23:47 FROM THE ORIGINAL PILOT.
11:23:49 WHEN RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE, CONCERNS WERE CITED BY DR.
11:23:52 YANG'S REPORT, AND THAT WE PARTICIPATED WITH AT USF, AND A
11:23:58 LOT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE INCORPORATED.
11:24:01 AND WE DID ALSO COORDINATE WITH PROVIDERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
11:24:05 THEIR BARRIERS WERE.
11:24:07 AND WE LEARNED A LOT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THESE ONE ON
11:24:11 ONES.
11:24:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANKS SO MUCH.
11:24:14 ARE YOU COMFORTABLE, SIR?
11:24:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE ITEM.
11:24:18 ITEM 40.
11:24:20 I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN SAID, AND IT SCARES ME A LITTLE BIT,
11:24:25 BUT JOE IS OUT THERE AND I KNOW WE ARE THE SAME AGE.
11:24:28 BUT BE CAREFUL, JOE.
11:24:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I SECOND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S MOTION.
11:24:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS LONG AS SCOOTER JOE IS HAPPY.
11:24:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S EITHER A SCOOTER OR -- EITHER ONE.
11:24:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO SECONDED IT.
11:24:47 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:24:47 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:24:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:24:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:24:56 >>LUIS VIERA: IN THE NAME OF SCOOTER JOE, I VOTE YES.
11:24:59 [ LAUGHTER ]
11:25:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES TO THE SIX MONTH EXTENSION.
11:25:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR SCOOTER JOE, YES.
11:25:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, FOR SCOOTER JOE.
11:25:13 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
11:25:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I HOPE I BROUGHT A LITTLE BIT OF
11:25:21 FUN.
11:25:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SCOOTER JOE, YES.
11:25:24 CHIEF, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR ITEMS 32 THROUGH 34?
11:25:28 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST 3 AND 34.
11:25:39 3 AND 34.
11:25:41 I JUST WAS REMINDED OF IT.
11:25:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY?
11:25:48 OH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. WIGGINTON IS ON THE LINE.
11:25:54 >>BILL CARLSON: I KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF HERE ON
11:25:56 TIME THIS MORNING BUT CAN YOU TELL US IF THAT IS --
11:26:03 >> I'M SORRY?
11:26:04 >>BILL CARLSON: NUMBER 33 AND 34.
11:26:07 >> RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:26:08 THE RATES THAT WE CHARGE IS DETERMINED BY THE FLORIDA
11:26:11 ADMINISTRATIVE CODE SECTION 18-21 WHICH IS THE GREATER OF
11:26:15 $541 FOR THE BASE RATE MULTIPLIED BY SQUARE FOOTAGE.
11:26:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S STATUTORY.
11:26:26 THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD -- -- THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS
11:26:31 THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED BY MRS. STROHMEYER ALSO IN HER
11:26:36 MEMO, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING, BUT WHERE DOES THAT
11:26:38 MONEY GO?
11:26:42 SHE SAID IT'S AN INDICATION IT STAYS IN THE PARKS
11:26:45 DEPARTMENT.
11:26:45 SHE WAS HOPING THAT IT WOULD STAY SOUTH OF GANDY, SINCE THE
11:26:50 IMPACT, I GUESS, IS IN THAT SOUTH OF GANDY AREA.
11:26:54 SO IS IT LIMITED IN TERMS OF HOW CAN IT BE SPENT AND WHERE
11:26:57 IT WOULD BE SPENT?
11:26:58 >>ABBYE FEELEY: IS THAT FOR ITEM NUMBER 33?
11:27:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 33, 34.
11:27:07 >>ABBYE FEELEY: WELL, 33 IS THE DOCK BEHIND THE MANOR AT
11:27:12 RIVERWALK SO THAT IS NOT SOUTH OF GANDY.
11:27:15 I'M CONFUSED BY THAT QUESTION A BIT.
11:27:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 33 SAYS LOCATED AT THE EAST AND OF GANDY
11:27:22 BRIDGE IN THE TITLE.
11:27:27 THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON OUR AGENDA.
11:27:28 SO MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION.
11:27:30 >> I APOLOGIZE, IT WAS FOR ITEM NUMBER 34.
11:27:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TRY IT AGAIN, RON.
11:27:50 >>ABBYE FEELEY: WHERE RON INDICATED IT WAS BY THE FLORIDA
11:27:56 ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, THAT INFORMATION I AM PROVIDING IS IN
11:28:00 RELATION TO NUMBER 34.
11:28:03 WHICH IS THE 202 SOUTH PARKER, WHICH IS THE DOCK THAT IS
11:28:09 LOCATED BEHIND THE MANOR ON RIVERWALK.
11:28:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MONEY THAT COMES
11:28:16 INTO THE CITY?
11:28:17 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I BELIEVE IT IS A LEASE PAYMENT AND GOES
11:28:24 INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
11:28:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:28:30 FAIR ENOUGH.
11:28:31 AND IS THERE MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH 33?
11:28:34 >>ABBYE FEELEY: 33 WAS A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAD
11:28:39 WITH THE -- DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CROSSTOWN
11:28:43 EXTENSION, AND IT WAS FOR A LAYDOWN AREA THAT WAS UTILIZED
11:28:51 DURING THAT CONSTRUCTION, AND NOW THAT LEASE HAS BEEN
11:28:53 COMPLETED, AND THERE WAS A LINE ITEM IN THAT LEASE FOR
11:29:00 IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE TO BE MADE, AND IT IS A FISCAL AMOUNT
11:29:05 $2 MILLION THAT IS BEING PAID TO THE CITY FOR THOSE
11:29:10 IMPROVEMENTS.
11:29:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND ARE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS LOCATED ALONG
11:29:18 THAT GANDY CORRIDOR, OR ARE THEY JUST RANDOMLY AROUND THE
11:29:22 CITY?
11:29:22 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT IS MONEY THAT IS GOING TO GO TO PARKS
11:29:26 AND RECREATION, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IMPROVEMENT WITH
11:29:32 BOTH OF THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN PLANNED YET.
11:29:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:29:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
11:29:40 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO CLARIFY ON NUMBER 34, WITH THAT
11:29:43 FORMULA THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY
11:29:46 MARKET RATE.
11:29:46 AM I CORRECT?
11:29:47 OR AT LEAST AS DICTATED BY LAW?
11:29:49 >> IT IS DICTATED BY LAW, YES, SIR.
11:29:55 AS FAR AS COMPARISON MARKET RATE, I BELIEVE IT'S LESS THAN
11:29:58 THAT.
11:29:58 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE
11:30:02 OF THE LAW.
11:30:02 IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
11:30:04 >> YES, SIR.
11:30:05 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
11:30:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] ALL RIGHT.
11:30:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH NUMBERS ARE YOU REFERRING TO?
11:30:19 ONE OR BOTH?
11:30:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BOTH.
11:30:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
11:30:24 33 AND 34.
11:30:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 33 AND 34.
11:30:27 MR. VIERA HAS MOVED IT.
11:30:28 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.
11:30:30 ROLL CALL.
11:30:32 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:30:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
11:30:35 MR. BENNETT, AS LONG AS YOU ARE HERE, SO ITEM 34, WE GET
11:30:39 EDUCATED EVERY MINUTE WE SIT HERE.
11:30:43 CONSTITUENT ASKED AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
11:30:49 THE MONEY THAT'S BEING GENERATED ITEM 34 SIGNIFICANT MONEY,
11:30:52 $2 MILLION INTO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT GENERALLY, CONSTITUENT
11:30:55 SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS BECAUSE THE IMPACTS WERE IN THE GANDY
11:30:58 SOUTH OF GANDY AREA, THAT PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD LIMIT OR
11:31:07 RESTRICT OR WHAT HAVE YOU THAT MONEY TO STAY IN THAT AREA.
11:31:11 I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD UP THESE TWO ITEMS TO MOVE FORWARD,
11:31:14 BUT MAYBE AT SOME FUTURE DATE COME BACK TO US AND GIVE US
11:31:19 YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
11:31:22 OKAY.
11:31:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:31:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED BY VIERA, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
11:31:27 ROLL CALL.
11:31:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:31:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:31:30 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:31:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:31:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:31:35 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:31:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:31:37 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:31:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GO TO STAFF REPORTS.
11:31:42 ITEM NUMBER 50, ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES?
11:31:48 CHIEF, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE TIME.
11:31:50 WE SAID 1:30.
11:31:52 DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED?
11:31:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: I BELIEVE STAFF IS READY TO MAKE SURE THAT
11:31:57 COUNCIL CAN KEEP MOVING.
11:31:59 QUICK INTRODUCTION.
11:32:01 FIRST THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT
11:32:04 OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON SOME PROGRESS.
11:32:07 INTERESTING ENOUGH THAT TODAY, BECAUSE OF THE MIDYEAR
11:32:09 UPDATE, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT COUNCIL, AND I REMEMBER
11:32:14 THOSE DURING THE PASSAGE OF THE BUDGET FOR FY 21, THAT
11:32:18 COUNCIL BROUGHT FORWARD, AND I JUST THINK THAT IT'S
11:32:20 IMPORTANT THAT STAFF GIVES YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT TODAY.
11:32:23 ONE DISCUSSED THE -- AS A MATTER OF FACT, CHAIRMAN GUDES, I
11:32:27 THINK THIS WAS YOUR ITEM IN THE BUDGET, WAS THE NOTION OF
11:32:30 EXPLORING THE CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER.
11:32:33 AND WE HAVE TODAY OCEA WYNN TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
11:32:37 AND WE HAD ASKED COUNCIL TO BE PATIENT AND LOOK AT THE
11:32:39 PROGRAMMATIC SIDE OF THAT, AND WE SPOKE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
11:32:42 RECRUITING THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
11:32:45 WORK IN THE CITY.
11:32:46 WE HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR
11:32:50 TRAINING, AWARENESS AS IT RELATES TO THE EQUALITY OR EQUITY
11:32:54 AND DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, AND A LOT OF US JUST WENT
11:32:58 THROUGH THE USF PROGRAM WHICH IS SEVEN MODULES AND GRADUATED
11:33:01 FROM THAT, SO A SPECIAL SHOUTOUT TO USF FOR HOSTING THAT
11:33:05 PROGRAM.
11:33:05 THEN LASTLY WAS ACCOUNTABILITY.
11:33:07 AND TODAY WE HAVE MS. OCEA WYNN, AND SHE'S SUPPORTED BY
11:33:11 KELLY AUSTIN AND CHRISTINE GLOVER TO GIVE YOU A PROGRESS
11:33:14 REPORT ON THAT.
11:33:15 WHEN THEY ARE DONE, I HAVE ASSISTANT CHIEF LEE BERCAW ON THE
11:33:20 LINE AND HE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHAT COUNCIL
11:33:23 HAD ASKED AND I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
11:33:26 BRINGING UP THE MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM, AND WORKED VERY HARD
11:33:30 FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS, AND CONGRATS TO CHIEF DUGAN IN
11:33:35 WORKING WITH MR. ROGERO'S OFFICE AND TO THE MAYOR FOR
11:33:41 BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
11:33:42 SO WE'LL HAVE TWO BRIEF PRESENTATIONS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE
11:33:44 UPDATE.
11:33:45 I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS. WYNN.
11:33:48 >>OCEA WYNN: ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AS
11:33:55 WELL AS THE CITY OF TAMPA'S DIVERSITY OVERSIGHT.
11:33:58 I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY VIDEO TODAY BUT I HOPE
11:34:01 THAT EACH OF YOU CAN HEAR ME CLEARLY.
11:34:04 AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS MENTIONED, CHIEF BENNETT HAS
11:34:11 MENTIONED, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOR OUR
11:34:14 MIDYEAR REVIEW ON THE STATUS OF THE CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER
11:34:22 AND THE PROGRAM.
11:34:24 WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, IN
11:34:28 COLLABORATION WITH CELEBRATING WHAT WILL ACHIEVE DIVERSITY
11:34:35 PROGRAM LOOK LIKE, AS CHIEF BENNETT HAS MENTIONED, WE WERE
11:34:39 CONSIDERING BOTH THE PROGRAMMATIC FUNCTIONS THAT WILL LAY
11:34:44 THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PROGRAM VERSUS FTEs RIGHT ON THE
11:34:51 SPOT.
11:34:51 WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDER WHERE THOSE CHALLENGES
11:34:59 LIE, AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO OVERCOME
11:35:02 THEM.
11:35:03 IN LOOKING AT THE PROGRAMMATIC AREAS, I HAVE SEVERAL OF MY
11:35:07 COLLEAGUES ON BOARD, READY TO PROVIDE UPDATES, BOTH KELLY
11:35:15 AUSTIN, WHO WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR
11:35:22 AS WELL AS FOR TRAINING AS WELL AS FOR WITH CHRISTINE GLOVER
11:35:27 WHO WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WITH SOME
11:35:32 EXCITING NEWS THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE IN THAT AREA.
11:35:35 SO AT THIS POINT I WILL ASK KELLY AUSTIN TO WEIGH IN AND TO
11:35:41 PROVIDE HER UPDATES, AND WE WILL PROCEED FROM THERE.
11:35:45 >>KELLY AUSTIN: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:35:50 KELLY AUSTIN, HUMAN RESOURCES.
11:35:54 IN JUST A MOMENT I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR TALENT
11:35:59 ACQUISITION COORDINATOR RUGINA CASTILLO TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF
11:36:03 OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET ACCOMPLISHED, IN
11:36:08 HER FIRST 90 DAYS OF TENURE AS A CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE.
11:36:12 I AM VERY PROUD OF RUGINA'S APPROACH TO ALIGNING OUR FOUR
11:36:19 GOALS THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED TO GO ALONG WITH MAYOR
11:36:21 CASTOR'S T-3 INITIATIVE.
11:36:24 WE STARTED THIS FOUNDATION BASED ON THE DATA THAT QUEUED
11:36:29 AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR EEOP REPORTING, AND TRIED TO BUILD
11:36:33 FROM THERE.
11:36:36 AFTER RUGINA PROVIDES HER UPDATE THEN I WILL GIVE YOU AN
11:36:39 UPDATE ON THE RFP BIAS, BUT FOR NOW I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT
11:36:45 OVER TO OUR TALENT ACQUISITION MS. RUGINA CASTILLO.
11:36:51 IF YOU WILL UNMUTE AND SHARE YOUR WONDERFUL ACCOMPLISHMENTS
11:36:53 WITH COUNCIL THIS MORNING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
11:36:55 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:36:58 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:37:00 >> YES.
11:37:02 >> HELLO?
11:37:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
11:37:04 >> OKAY.
11:37:06 GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN.
11:37:08 AS MRS. AUSTIN STATED, WE ARE CURRENTLY USING AN EEOP AS A
11:37:13 GUIDE TO HELP INCREASE DIVERSITY RECRUITMENT WHICH ALIGNS
11:37:16 WITH THE MAYOR'S T-3 INITIATIVE, AND WE OUTLINED FOUR GOALS
11:37:23 TO HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
11:37:25 THE FIRST GOAL WAS BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP AND ORGANIZATION
11:37:28 OF DEVELOPMENT TO INCREASE OUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE CITY, AND
11:37:36 MORE ABOUT THE MAYOR'S T-3 INITIATIVE AND HOW OUR OFFICE
11:37:40 COULD SUPPORT THOSE INITIATIVES.
11:37:41 WE REVIEWED ADDITIONAL DEPARTMENT DATA AS WELL AS COMMUNITY
11:37:45 DATA TO BET ARE UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY DOES BUSINESS, TO
11:37:49 INTERVIEW, OBSERVATIONS, VISITING WITH THE INTERNAL CITY
11:37:54 EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS DEPARTMENTS, LOCAL BUSINESSES, THE
11:37:58 COMMUNITY RESIDENT AND GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS.
11:38:01 WE ALSO HAD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE POLICIES AND THE
11:38:06 PROCEDURES, THE CURRENT PRACTICES, SERVICE RULES, AND THE
11:38:12 CITY CHARTER, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MEETING WITH INTERNAL
11:38:17 AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS.
11:38:20 OUR SECOND GOAL WAS DIVERSITY IN MARKETING.
11:38:25 WE WANTED TO EXPAND OUR INTERNAL JOB SEARCH BY REVIEWING AND
11:38:29 UPDATED CURRENT PROCESSES AND ADVERTISING RESOURCES TO
11:38:33 IMPROVE EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND REACH
11:38:38 UNDERUTILIZED APPLICANT GROUPS, WE DID THAT BY COLLABORATING
11:38:42 WITH INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT,
11:38:48 TO INCREASE OUR EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA
11:38:51 WHICH INCLUDED FACEBOOK AND TWITTER.
11:38:56 WE ARE ALSO DOING SOME THINGS WITH OUR INTERNAL EMPLOYEES IN
11:39:00 RELATION TO OUR FAMILY AND FRIEND REFERRAL PROGRAM, WORKING
11:39:05 WITH OUR ADA DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS
11:39:09 HONOR MAKE SURE THAT THEY SHARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WITH
11:39:15 EMPLOYEES.
11:39:16 WE ARE COLLABORATING WITH LOCAL GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS
11:39:21 SUCH AS TOBA, NAACP, THE PASTOR ALLIANCES, URBAN LEAGUE,
11:39:28 HISPANIC AND HAITIAN AMERICAN, AS WELL AS ASIAN PACIFIC
11:39:34 ISLANDERS, CHAMBER OF COMMERCES, THE WOUNDED WARRIOR
11:39:38 PROGRAM, MacDILL AIR FORCE MILITARY TRANSITION PROGRAM,
11:39:42 OPERATION UNIFORM, THE VETERANS, THE WOMEN'S ORGANIZATION,
11:39:47 AS WELL AS LGBTQ CLUB ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER LOCAL
11:39:53 BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:39:57 WE ARE ALSO COLLABORATING WITH HCCU AND OTHER CLINICS THAT
11:40:03 HAVE A MINORITY POPULATION OF AFRICAN AMERICAN AND HISPANIC,
11:40:09 PARTNER WITH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND OTHER
11:40:12 MUNICIPALITIES TO SEE HOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING THEIR
11:40:14 BUSINESSES, AND WE ARE ATTENDING VARIOUS COMMUNITY, AS WELL
11:40:19 AS STATE CONFERENCES, CHAIN TRAINING WORKSHOPS, TO HELP US
11:40:23 UNDERSTAND THE CANDIDATES THAT WE ARE RECRUITING SUCH AS
11:40:29 PSYCHOLOGICAL SAFETY, RECRUITING IN A PANDEMIC, MENTAL
11:40:33 HEALTH FIRST AID, AS WELL AS THE AGING WORKFORCE.
11:40:40 GOAL NUMBER 3 WAS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PARTNERSHIP.
11:40:44 WE ARE LOOKING AT INCREASING VISIBILITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY
11:40:48 AND ESTABLISHED PARTNERSHIPS IN ORDER TO INCREASE OUR
11:40:51 DIVERSE APPLICANT POOL WHICH CONSISTS OF PARTNERING WITH
11:40:56 CAREER SOURCE TAMPA BAY, WITH THEIR SUMMER JOB CONNECTION,
11:40:59 AS WELL AS THEIR YEAR-ROUND PROGRAM THAT IS A PAID WORK
11:41:06 EXPERIENCE.
11:41:07 THERE ARE THING TANK SESSIONS.
11:41:10 WE ARE ALSO PARTNERING WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL
11:41:14 DISTRICT, ETE PROGRAM, TO PARTICIPATE IN INFORMATION
11:41:19 SESSIONS, CAREER FAIRS, WE ARE ALSO DOING IT WITH OPERATION
11:41:24 UNIFORM, WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT AS WELL AS USF.
11:41:28 WE ARE PARTICIPATING IN LOCAL EVENTS THROUGH NETWORKS SUCH
11:41:33 AS BLACK HISTORY PROGRAMS, HAITIAN FLAG DAY, THE
11:41:37 ASIAN-AMERICAN CONVERSATION, TAMPA BAY WOMEN'S EXPO, LGBTGLQ
11:41:45 PLUS WORKSHOP AND MONTHLY ADA ALLIANCE MEETINGS.
11:41:52 LAST BUT NOT LEAST, GOAL NUMBER 4 IS OUR TALENT MANAGEMENT,
11:41:55 HOW WE PLAN TO INCREASE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCAL
11:41:58 BUSINESSES TO WORKFORCE NEEDS AND DEVELOP ADDITIONAL ENTRY
11:42:04 LEVEL OPPORTUNITIES.
11:42:05 WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR
11:42:08 TO DETERMINE OUR ORGANIZATIONAL NEEDS.
11:42:11 RESEARCHING APPRENTICESHIPS, MENTORING INTERNSHIP AND
11:42:16 VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL
11:42:19 DISTRICT CTA PROGRAM, THE LOCAL COLLEGES, SO THAT WE CAN
11:42:23 WORK WITH OUR FIRE RESCUE, OUR SOLID WASTE, AND PARKS AND
11:42:28 RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
11:42:30 AND LAST BUT LOT LEAST IN THIS AREA IS LOOKING AT FINDING
11:42:34 PROGRAMS THAT WILL HELP US INCREASE OUR FEMALE POPULATION IN
11:42:39 NONTRADITIONAL FIELDS LIKE CONSTRUCTION, SOLID WASTE,
11:42:44 WASTEWATER, WATER, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE
11:42:47 DEPARTMENT, OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, AND I.T.
11:42:51 THANK YOU.
11:42:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:42:56 >> THANK YOU, RUGINA AND COUNCIL.
11:43:02 I'M SURE YOU CAN HEAR THE COMPASSION RUGINA HAS AND WE ARE
11:43:09 APPRECIATE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
11:43:11 I ALSO WANT TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON HOW WE ARE DOING WITH OUR
11:43:14 DIVERSITY AND IMPLICIT BIAS AWARENESS TRAINING.
11:43:18 AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ENDEAVORED ON EXPANDING THE TRAINING
11:43:22 THAT THE CITY CONDUCTS, AND THAT HAS BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE.
11:43:26 WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ESSENTIALLY HUNTER, CARL BRODY FROM THE
11:43:32 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I WANT TO THANK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
11:43:35 OFFICE FOR THEIR HELP.
11:43:36 WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WERE GREG SPEARMAN'S
11:43:39 ORGANIZATION SO THANK YOU.
11:43:41 IN ANTICIPATION OF PREPARATION OF THE IMPLICIT BIAS RFP THAT
11:43:46 IS SET TO GO OUT, WE CONDUCTED A LISTENING SESSION WITH SOME
11:43:50 COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS BACK IN MARCH, AND CHIEF OF STAFF,
11:43:55 MYSELF, MS. WYNN, CARL BRODY, KAY HUNTER AND LIDA, ATTENDED
11:44:03 THAT SESSION TO HEAR FROM DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS IN THE
11:44:05 COMMUNITY ON WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE ON WHAT WE WERE TRYING
11:44:08 TO CRAFT.
11:44:08 WE GOT GREAT SUGGESTIONS AND FEEDBACK FOR PROGRAM CONTENT,
11:44:12 AND BUILT THAT INTO OUR RFP.
11:44:15 I AM VERY EXCITED TO SAY THAT OUR RFP OPENED ON JUNE
11:44:20 9th, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING SOME GREAT
11:44:24 PROPOSERS, AND BEING ABLE TO EVALUATE AND SECURE AN
11:44:28 OUTSTANDING TRAINING PROGRAM THAT THE CITY CAN THEN MOVE
11:44:31 FORWARD WITH.
11:44:34 I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO MS. CHRISTINE GLOVER.
11:44:39 THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:44:41 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER: DIRECTOR OF THE CITY'S INTERNAL AUDIT
11:44:44 DEPARTMENT.
11:44:45 I WANTED TO GO OVER THE BROAD TIMELINE AND HOW IT CURRENTLY
11:44:53 WORKS.
11:44:53 CURRENTLY THIS IS AN INTERNAL OPEN HOTLINE AND WE HAVE A
11:44:58 NUMBER POSTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
11:45:00 EACH AUDIT THAT WE DO, WE DO A QUESTIONNAIRE, AND THAT
11:45:05 INCLUDES KNOWLEDGE OF THE OUTLINE AND PROVIDE INFORMATION
11:45:14 FOR POSTING IF MANAGEMENT IS UNAWARE.
11:45:17 WE CURRENTLY -- EMPLOYEES THAT CALL INTO THAT NUMBER AND
11:45:23 REMAIN ANONYMOUS, AND THEN THEY CAN CHECK BACK TO DETERMINE
11:45:28 THE STATUS OF THEIR CONCERN.
11:45:33 AND IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE CAN LEAVE MESSAGES
11:45:36 WITH THE VENDOR.
11:45:38 SO THEY SEND AN E-MAIL TO INTERNAL AUDIT.
11:45:45 WE MAY DETERMINE HOW I SHALL ISSUE SHOULD BE HANDLED AND WE
11:45:49 MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:45:50 IT MAY BE HR ISSUE, OR SOMETHING THAT WE REFER BACK TO
11:45:55 MANAGEMENT, OR MAY BE A FRAUD THAT WE SHOULD INVESTIGATOR
11:46:03 SOMETHING CRIMINAL WE MAY REFER TO TPD, BUT WE SEND IT TO
11:46:08 THE CHIEF OF STAFF, AND THEN WE FOLLOW WITH THE RESOLUTION,
11:46:14 WE HAVE TO LEAVE A MESSAGE WITH THE VENDOR HOW.
11:46:20 HEAR THE PLAN IS TO GO WHEREVER JUST A FRAUD HOTLINE TO --
11:46:27 HOT LANE AND WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS UPDATE OUR MATRIX
11:46:31 AT THAT POINT.
11:46:32 BUT ANY DISPARITY ISSUE, A TASK FORCE WAS PUT IN PLACE, BE
11:46:38 PUT IN PLACE, AND ANY ISSUES OR CONCERNS WOULD BE REFERRED
11:46:41 TO THAT TASK FORCE.
11:46:42 AND THAT TASK FORCE WOULD INCLUDE CHIEF OF STAFF, HR, MS.
11:46:50 WYNN, INTERNAL AUDIT AND A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE.
11:46:55 THE PROCESS WOULD STILL THE SAME WHERE CALLS CAN COME IN,
11:47:00 AND THE INDIVIDUAL CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
11:47:02 WE HAVE RECEIVED PERIODIC UPDATES AND THE FINAL STATUS OF
11:47:09 RESOLUTION OF THAT ITEM.
11:47:12 THAT COMPLETES MY REPORT.
11:47:13 >> SO A COUPLE OF FINAL THINGS, COMMENTS, COUNCIL.
11:47:20 THE WAY THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON SOCIALIZING IS THROUGHOUT
11:47:23 THE ORGANIZATION IS THAT WE ARE ENTERTAINING CREATING A
11:47:27 VIDEO, A VIDEO THAT EXPLAINS WHAT DISPARITIES ARE, WHAT
11:47:34 CONSTITUTES THE LACK OF DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, AND THE
11:47:38 VIDEO WILL ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE HOTLINE AND THE AVAILABILITY
11:47:44 OF THE HOTLINE, NOT ONLY FOR FRAUD BUT FOR DISPARITY.
11:47:48 AND THEN ONE FINAL COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS I
11:47:52 THINK IT'S FITTING THAT TODAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND
11:47:57 BRIEFING YOU ON THE CITY'S FIRST INAUGURAL ASIAN-AMERICAN
11:48:05 AND PACIFIC ISLANDER CELEBRATION THAT WILL BE HELD THIS
11:48:09 EVENING FROM 4 TO 5 P.M. IN THE COURTYARD BETWEEN CITY HALL
11:48:15 AND OLD CITY HALL.
11:48:17 SO IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WILL ATTEND
11:48:22 AND PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT AS WE CELEBRATE THE INCLUSION
11:48:27 OF ALL NOT ONLY CITY EMPLOYEES BUT EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE CITY
11:48:31 OF TAMPA.
11:48:34 THAT END OUR REPORT.
11:48:35 WE ARE READY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.
11:48:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:48:40 I KNOW I HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM.
11:48:41 ANYONE ELSE?
11:48:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LEAD THE WAY.
11:48:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT
11:48:49 WAS GIVEN.
11:48:50 AND IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION.
11:48:52 I AM JUST CURIOUS WHY WE ARE DOING ALL THIS WORK, THOUGH.
11:48:56 BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR EMPLOYEES TALK, I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW
11:49:01 MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY, EMPLOYEES, AND I KNOW WE HAVE A
11:49:04 CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER.
11:49:07 EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER.
11:49:10 I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF OVER LUNCH.
11:49:15 I AM JUST GOING TO BE FRANK WITH THAT.
11:49:19 COMMUNICATING THAT.
11:49:20 ALSO, WHAT MECHANISM FOR EMPLOYEES TO MAKE COMPLAINTS?
11:49:26 I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
11:49:31 WHAT I INITIALLY ENVISIONED THAT PERSON ANSWERS TO THE
11:49:34 MAYOR, NOT TO HR, BUT TO HAVE A WAY THAT EMPLOYEES OR EVEN
11:49:39 OUTSIDE CONSTITUENTS COULD BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE
11:49:42 CITY OF TAMPA TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR DISPARITIES ARE AND
11:49:46 EMPLOYEE ISSUES.
11:49:47 I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.
11:49:50 SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ENVISION TAKES CHIEF DIVERSITY
11:49:53 OFFICER.
11:49:54 A PERSON WHO WOULD UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE CULTURAL
11:49:59 DIVERSITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
11:50:01 MR. CARLSON TALKED ABOUT -- THE CHARTER REVIEW TALKED ABOUT
11:50:06 IT AND WE ARE JUST PUTTING AN RFP OUT IN JUNE.
11:50:10 I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
11:50:11 WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
11:50:13 I KNOW WE ARE BUSY BUT CERTAIN THINGS WE HAVE TO MUTT TO THE
11:50:16 FOREFRONT.
11:50:17 AND HOW I ENVISION A CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER IS NOT WORKING
11:50:21 AS I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE.
11:50:23 I KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO DO A BROAD SPECTRUM ON ALL THESE
11:50:27 IDEAS AND I THINK SOME ARE VERY GOOD BUT I THINK THE NUTS
11:50:30 AND BOLTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MECHANISM THAT EMPLOYEES AND
11:50:33 CITIZENS CAN MAKE CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS SO THEY CAN BE
11:50:35 LOOKED AT ON A NONBIAS EFFORT VERSUS SOME EMPLOYEES CAN GO
11:50:43 TELL A SUPERVISION OR AND THEY ARE NOT OSTRACIZED OR
11:50:48 BLACKBALLED.
11:50:49 I AM JUST GOING TO BE FRANK WITH THAT.
11:50:51 YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON WHO IS AWAY FROM EVERYONE ELSE TO
11:50:53 BE ABLE TO HAVE UNBIASED VIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND BE ABLE
11:50:59 TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE MAYOR THAT
11:51:02 THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM.
11:51:03 I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY CALLS, I GUESS BECAUSE I AM THE
11:51:06 AFRICAN AMERICAN ON THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE I HAVE A DIFFERENT
11:51:12 SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING, AND WHEN I GET COMPLAINTS FROM
11:51:16 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAVE ISSUES
11:51:20 GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE AFRAID TO COME FORWARD.
11:51:23 I AM-A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, EMPLOYEES CAME UP TO ME.
11:51:32 THAT WAS THE POINT OF CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER.
11:51:35 THEY CAN'T JUST GO TO HR AND FILE A COMPLAINT.
11:51:37 AS A CITY EMPLOYEE, I KNOW THAT.
11:51:40 NOBODY CAN TELL ME ANY DIFFERENT.
11:51:41 YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO HR.
11:51:43 I HAD A SITUATION PEOPLE CALLED ME ABOUT, ONE OF THE
11:51:47 INVESTIGATORS, THE WAY THEY INTERROGATE AND INTERVIEW,
11:51:52 THAT'S INTIMIDATING.
11:51:53 SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED, BECAUSE I KNOW FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE
11:52:00 AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARTY THAT CAN LISTEN AND AGAIN FOLKS
11:52:06 GET BLACKBALLED OR PUT TO THE SIDE.
11:52:09 SO I APPRECIATE THE RECORD BUT IT REALLY WASN'T WHAT I WAS
11:52:12 LOOKING FOR AS A PACKAGE.
11:52:16 WE ARE JUST MISSING THAT PORTION.
11:52:18 I TOLD THE CHIEF OF STAFF, I THOUGHT MRS. OCEA WYNN WHEN THE
11:52:22 JOB WAS FIRST GIVEN I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO MUCH.
11:52:25 SHE HAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT SHE'S GOT TO RUN.
11:52:27 I JUST DON'T THINK THAT SHE WILL BE ABLE TO DO A JOB THAT
11:52:31 NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE SHE'S GOT TOO MUCH OTHER WORK TO
11:52:33 DO.
11:52:34 SO I YIELD BACK, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE WAY I ENVISION
11:52:42 THE CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER IS JUST NOT WORK WORKING IN MY
11:52:46 OPINION.
11:52:46 MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:52:48 >>BILL CARLSON: I GET A LOT OF CALLS, TOO.
11:52:53 MOST OF THEM FROM INTERMEDIARIES WHO SAY THEY HAVE JUST
11:52:57 SPOKEN TO EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYEES ARE FREE TO CALL BECAUSE
11:52:59 THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED.
11:53:02 OR THEY ARE AFRAID THAT I WILL HAVE TO REPORT THEM TO HR.
11:53:06 BUT JUST TO PUT THIS OUT THERE, THE CONCERNS I HEAR ARE NOT
11:53:09 ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION.
11:53:11 I THINK PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO
11:53:13 CHANGE IT AND ALL THOSE THINGS YOU LISTED ARE AN EXAMPLE OF
11:53:18 ALL THE CHANGES THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE.
11:53:20 BUT ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THEY MADE TO ME FROM THE
11:53:22 COMMUNITY IS HAVING AN EXTERNAL PARTY HOTLINE THAT'S NOT AN
11:53:27 INTERNAL TO PROTECT THE IDENTITY OF FOLKS.
11:53:31 BECAUSE I KNOW CHIEF OF STAFF, MAYOR, OTHERS WANT TO HEAR
11:53:35 PEOPLE'S HONEST OPINIONS, BUT IF PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK
11:53:38 UP THEY CAN'T GIVE THAT.
11:53:39 SO WHATEVER MEANS WE CAN USE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE HEARING
11:53:42 EVERYTHING WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO
11:53:44 FIX THE PROBLEM.
11:53:45 THANK YOU.
11:53:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
11:53:50 WELL, AGAIN, CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
11:53:52 WE STILL HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO, I BELIEVE.
11:53:55 HOPEFULLY WITH THE NEXT REPORT WE CAN KICK THE BALL DOWN THE
11:53:58 FIELD A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND IF NOT NEED TO PUT THINGS ON
11:54:02 THE TABLE TO MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE NEED FOR THE EMPLOYEES
11:54:05 AND FOR THE CITIZENS.
11:54:05 AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE REPORT, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE
11:54:10 WORK TO DO.
11:54:15 WITH THAT I GUESS WE CAN MOVE ON.
11:54:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BERCAW TO TALK TO US ABOUT MENTAL
11:54:26 HEALTH?
11:54:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF BERCAW.
11:54:30 >>CHIEF BERCAW: I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE ON
11:54:34 THE -- PROGRAM.
11:54:36 I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW AND THEN INTRODUCE
11:54:41 GAIL RYDER.
11:54:43 AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE NOT EXPERTS IN
11:54:47 MENTAL HEALTH SO WE REACHED OUT TO THE MENTAL HEALTH
11:54:50 COMMUNITY TO HELP BUILD THIS PILOT PROGRAM.
11:54:52 MS. GAIL RYDER, SHE GETS TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR HEALTH
11:54:56 CARE, AND COME UP WITH A PILOT PROGRAM.
11:55:04 I HAVE GAIL ON THE LINE.
11:55:06 GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO YOU HOW YOU HAVE ASSISTED US.
11:55:10 >> HELLO EVERYONE.
11:55:13 CAN YOU HEAR ME, CHIEF?
11:55:15 BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MY CAMERA ON.
11:55:17 OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.
11:55:19 HI.
11:55:20 GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
11:55:21 THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE.
11:55:24 I'M GAIL RYDER, THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR HEALTH FOR THE
11:55:28 BAYCARE HEALTH SYSTEM.
11:55:30 IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
11:55:32 ISSUED AN RFP ASKING THE MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY AND
11:55:37 SUBSTANCE ABUSE COMMUNITY TO RESPOND TO A REQUEST THEY HAVE
11:55:42 TO THINK THROUGH WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BRING A MENTAL
11:55:48 HEALTH UNIT WITHIN THE TPD.
11:55:49 WE ALL DISCUSSED THAT.
11:55:50 THERE ARE SEVERAL VERY LARGE PROVIDERS IN TAMPA BAY.
11:55:53 WE ARE LUCKY HERE IN TAMPA TO HAVE TWO VERY LARGE PROVIDERS
11:55:58 THAT IS DOCO AND HAX AND TWO LARGE MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS,
11:56:03 GRACE POINT AND NORTHSIDE.
11:56:05 AND OBVIOUSLY A VERY LARGE HEALTH SYSTEM THAT HAS A LOT OF
11:56:08 INVESTMENT WHICH IS BAYCARE.
11:56:14 SO WE WROTE A LETTER TO TAMPA POLICE THAT SAID I THINK THE
11:56:17 BEST WAY TO PROCEED IS TO BUILD A PROGRAM TOGETHER.
11:56:19 SO WE STARTED MEETING IN JANUARY.
11:56:21 AND WE PROPOSED, WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER MUCH BETTER THAN
11:56:27 WE DID BEFORE.
11:56:30 AS THE CHIEF SAID, THEY WERE NOT EXPERTS IN MENTAL HEALTH,
11:56:33 AND WE ARE NOT EXPERTS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
11:56:37 SO WE SPENT SEVERAL WEEKS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER'S
11:56:40 LANGUAGE.
11:56:41 AND THEN WE CIRCLED THE WAGONS AROUND TWO VERY IMPORTANT
11:56:47 POINTS.
11:56:47 ONE, WHAT IS REALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE THE MENTAL HEALTH
11:56:52 CLINICIAN RIDE-ALONG WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS?
11:56:56 AND THEN THE SECOND CONVERSATION WAS IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO
11:57:00 CARE COORDINATION AND PROGRAMS.
11:57:02 SO AFTER A LOT OF CONVERSATION, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS TO THE
11:57:05 TEAM THAT WE HAD A REAL BLIND SPOT, AND THAT BLIND SPOT WAS
11:57:11 NOT REALLY KNOWING WHETHER THE RIDE-ALONGS WITH ARE GOING TO
11:57:15 MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
11:57:15 SO WE DECIDED ON A PILOT PROJECT, AND WE TEAMED UP A
11:57:21 SUBSTANCE USE AND MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN, TWO TEAMS WITH A
11:57:27 RIDE-ALONG AND WE GOT THAT TOGETHER, AND OVERWHELMINGLY THE
11:57:31 CLINICIANS FELT THAT THE RIDE-ALONGS WITH ARE CRITICAL.
11:57:35 THE REASON WHY THE RIDE-ALONGS WERE CRITICAL IS THAT YOU
11:57:38 HAVE A RARE OPPORTUNITY, AND THE REASON WHY THE MENTAL
11:57:41 HEALTH COMMUNITY IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT DOING THIS IS WHEN
11:57:46 SOMEONE IS IN A SORT OF QUOTE-UNQUOTE CRISIS POSITION, OR
11:57:51 WHEN POLICE HAVE TO ATTEND TO THEM, THAT'S A RARE MOMENT OF
11:57:57 ENGAGEMENT.
11:57:58 THAT'S A RARE MOMENT TO MAKE A CONNECTION WITH THAT PERSON,
11:58:02 AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THEY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CARE.
11:58:05 SO WE MADE THE DECISION THAT PART OF THE NEW PROGRAM WAS
11:58:09 CLEARLY GOING TO HAVE A RIDE-ALONG COMPONENT.
11:58:12 THE NEXT PIECE WAS CARE COORDINATION.
11:58:15 THE NEXT THING THAT WORRIED THE PROVIDERS, THERE'S A
11:58:18 TREMENDOUS DEMAND ON THE MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE
11:58:23 SERVICES PROCESS.
11:58:24 BUT WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE MENTAL HEALTH
11:58:27 CLINICIAN IN THE FIELD IDENTIFIED SOMEONE, AND THEN MAKE
11:58:31 SURE THEY GET INTO CARE, THOSE PARTICULAR PEOPLE NEED TO BE
11:58:35 PRIORITIZE.
11:58:37 THEY CAN'T BE PUT ON A LIST, IF THEY CAN'T BE FOLLOWED UP
11:58:40 THE NEXT DAY, IT NEEDS TO BE IMMEDIATE.
11:58:42 SO THEN THE SECOND PART IS EACH OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WILL
11:58:45 HAVE A SPECIFIC CARE COORDINATOR TOTALLY DESIGNED AND
11:58:50 ASSIGNED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:58:55 SO THERE IS THE JOURNEY THAT WE TRAVERSED.
11:58:58 IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THAT, I THINK THE CONVERSATIONS WERE
11:59:03 VERY PURPOSEFUL.
11:59:04 I THINK THAT THIS IS A PILOT.
11:59:07 I THINK THAT IT WILL EVOLVE INTO WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE GOING
11:59:10 FORWARD, SO I THINK YOU CAN EXPECT CHANGES AS WE GO ALONG.
11:59:18 ALSO, WE PUT TOGETHER A RESOURCE GUIDE FOR OUR POLICE
11:59:22 OFFICERS.
11:59:22 THEY NOW HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE RESOURCES WITH ALL OF THOSE
11:59:26 ORGANIZATIONS.
11:59:28 I WILL SPEND A MINUTE DOING A SHOUTOUT TO USF AND TO THE
11:59:32 CRISIS CENTER WHO HELPED THE POLICE CIRCLE THE WAGONS AROUND
11:59:38 THIS IDEA AND BRING US ALL TOGETHER.
11:59:40 SO WITH THAT, I WILL INTRODUCE TO YOU THE TAMPA CRISIS
11:59:46 INTERVENTION RESPONSE TEAM.
11:59:47 THAT IS A COLLABORATIVE BETWEEN ALL THE MENTAL HEALTH
11:59:50 PROVIDERS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:59:52 AND THERE YOU CAN SEE WHO WE INTEND TO BE.
11:59:57 SO AT THIS TIME, I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING.
12:00:02 I THINK IT WAS EXCITING BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, BUT IT'S EVEN
12:00:05 MORE EXCITING NOW.
12:00:07 SO WE ARE EXCITED.
12:00:10 SO I WILL HAND IT BACK TO THE CHIEF, IF YOU WANT TO ADD
12:00:13 ANYTHING ELSE.
12:00:14 >>CHIEF BERCAW: THANK YOU, MS. RAIDER.
12:00:17 COUNCIL, JUST FOR YOUR MORE DETAILED, OUR PILOT PROGRAM WILL
12:00:22 BE COMPRISED OF 13 INDIVIDUALS.
12:00:25 WE WILL HAVE ONE INTERNAL TPD EMPLOYEE WHICH WILL BE A
12:00:29 BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COORDINATOR, AND FOUR POLICE OFFICERS
12:00:32 ASSIGNED, AND THEN CONTRACTED THROUGH HAPS, FOUR FIELD
12:00:38 CLINICIANS AND FOUR COORDINATORS.
12:00:41 WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A CONTRACT TO GET THIS PILOT
12:00:43 PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING.
12:00:45 SO THANK YOU.
12:00:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:00:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MS. RYDER, FOR YOUR
12:00:55 PARTICIPATION.
12:00:56 THANKS TO ALL THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, USF AND
12:00:59 THE CRISIS CENTER IN PARTICULAR.
12:01:02 AND THANK YOU, CHIEF DUGAN AND CHIEF BERCAW FOR YOUR
12:01:08 ENTHUSIASTIC RESPONSE IN THIS.
12:01:10 AND I MEAN THAT SINCERELY.
12:01:13 THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, CHIEF, IS BUDGET.
12:01:17 WHAT KIND OF MONEY ARE WE BUDGETING, OR TENTATIVELY
12:01:21 BUDGETING FOR THIS PROGRAM?
12:01:24 AND AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE INTERIM PILOT PROGRAM?
12:01:29 AND ALSO WHEN DO WE EXPECT IT TO BE KICKED OFF, OBVIOUSLY,
12:01:34 YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL, I GUESS.
12:01:37 AND THEN FINALLY, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT GRANTS.
12:01:42 DO WE HAVE ANY GRANT APPLICATIONS?
12:01:45 HOW ARE WE DOING ON GRANTS?
12:01:46 >> I'LL TAKE THE LAST QUESTION FIRST, GRANTS.
12:01:51 WE ARE WORKING WITH HAYES AND WE ARE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT
12:01:57 WHAT THE BUDGET WILL BE.
12:01:58 WE ARE ANTICIPATING ANYWHERE FROM 6 TO 800,000 DEPENDING ON
12:02:03 HOW THIS PILOT PROGRAM KICKS OFF.
12:02:05 WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THOSE DETAILS RIGHT NOW.
12:02:07 AS SOON AS WE HAVE A DRAFT CONTRACT APPROVED BY LEGAL, THEN
12:02:10 WE'LL GET A MORE DEPARTMENT.
12:02:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TIMING IN TERMS OF ACTUAL KICKOFF?
12:02:21 >>CHIEF BERCAW: AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THIS CONTRACT AGREED
12:02:23 AND HAX, HOPEFULLY SOMETIME THIS SUMMER.
12:02:34 AX IS ALREADY WORKING ON JOB DESCRIPTION AND GETTING READY
12:02:36 TO HAVE THEM.
12:02:37 SO WE ARE WORKING SIMULTANEOUSLY BEHIND IT.
12:02:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FANTASTIC.
12:02:41 I AM VERY THRILLED WITH THE PROGRESS AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY
12:02:45 INVOLVED.
12:02:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
12:02:54 CHIEF, ANYTHING ELSE?
12:02:56 IT'S COMING ON 12:00.
12:02:58 I KNOW WE HAVE HOT TOPICS.
12:02:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK?
12:03:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE TWO ITEMS.
12:03:07 WE HAVE THE BUDGET ISSUE, AND CHARTER REVIEW ISSUE.
12:03:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME BACK AT 1:00?
12:03:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU WANT TO BREAK FOR LUNCH.
12:03:21 CHIEF, I JUST THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO IT AND I JUST
12:03:24 DON'T SEE US AT 12:30.
12:03:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BREAK FOR LUNCH AND COME BACK AT 1:15.
12:03:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
12:03:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, A MOTION FOR 1:15, MR.
12:03:41 CITRO, YOU ARE THE SECOND FOR 1:15?
12:03:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR, AS LONG AS THE HEAT IS TURNED UP.
12:03:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?
12:03:43 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
12:03:47
12:03:48 [ CITY COUNCIL RECESS ]
01:15:53
01:16:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN SESSION.
01:21:55 MADAM CLERK, ROLL CALL.
01:21:56 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
01:21:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
01:21:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
01:22:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
01:22:01 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
01:22:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
01:22:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
01:22:04 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:22:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 52.
01:22:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
01:22:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
01:22:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNLESS THE CITY ATTORNEY FEELS THAT IT'S
01:22:23 BEST TO DO ITEM 52 FIRST, I THINK ITEM 52 WILL IN SOME FORM
01:22:28 OR FASHION TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
01:22:34 THAT IS ON YOUR ADDENDUM.
01:22:42 BUT I THINK SEPARATE ITEMS, TO TAKE THE ITEM ON THE ADDENDUM
01:22:47 AS IT'S LAID OUT FIRST, WHICH IS REFERRED TO IN ITEM 52 FROM
01:22:53 THE MEMORANDUM, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
01:22:56 I THINK THAT WILL CLEAR UP THE OTHER ISSUE AFTER YOU DISCUSS
01:23:00 THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE FACING AND ASKING FOR DECISION POINTS
01:23:06 FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.
01:23:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CITY ATTORNEY?
01:23:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW WHICH ITEM WE ARE GETTING
01:23:14 TO.
01:23:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CRB ORDINANCE.
01:23:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OH, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF?
01:23:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THE TOPIC.
01:23:23 IT'S CERTAINLY THE ITEM --
01:23:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, LET'S DO IT.
01:23:27 >>BILL CARLSON: THE WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM.
01:23:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
01:23:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FINE.
01:23:47 IS YOUR MIKE ON, GINA?
01:23:49 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE
01:23:53 AGENDA.
01:23:54 PEOPLE STARTED CALLING ME AND ASKING WHERE IT WAS, WHY IT
01:23:57 WASN'T ON THE AGENDA AND WHERE THE INFORMATION WAS.
01:23:59 AND I THINK IT POPPED UP YESTERDAY SOMEWHERE.
01:24:03 >>GINA GRIMES: IT WASN'T YESTERDAY, IT WAS MONDAY, AND THE
01:24:05 TWO STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FROM THE
01:24:08 OUTSET, THE ACLU AND THE PBA, THE ACLU E-MAILED MR. SHELBY
01:24:14 AND I TWO TIMES BEFORE THIS HEARING TO SAY IT'S COMING IN
01:24:18 FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 20th, AND WE HAVE CAN
01:24:22 WE HAVE A COPY OF IT?
01:24:25 >>BILL CARLSON: THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC
01:24:27 THAT ARE KEY STAKEHOLDERS.
01:24:29 I'M NOT CRITICIZING ANYBODY BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE HIDING
01:24:32 SOMETHING IF WE DON'T GET THE DRAFTS OUT EARLY ENOUGH.
01:24:36 >>GINA GRIMES: LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FOR SPECIFIC ISSUE,
01:24:39 BECAUSE I KNOW I BRIEFED MANY OF YOU AND TOLD YOU THAT THIS
01:24:42 WOULD BE THE SIXTH TIME THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING THE TOPIC OF
01:24:46 THE CRB.
01:24:47 ACTUALLY, I WAS WRONG, IT'S THE SEVENTH TIME.
01:24:50 AND I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS, BECAUSE
01:24:54 IT'S BEEN A LONG YEAR, AND THE WAY THAT -- I THINK IT'S
01:24:59 IMPORTANT HOW THE DIFFERENT CHANGES EVOLVE.
01:25:01 SO IT FIRST STARTED ON JUNE 4th WHEN IT WAS ONE OF YOUR
01:25:05 FIRST MEETINGS DOWN AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, AND WE HAD
01:25:08 QUITE A FEW PEOPLE --
01:25:11 >> POINT OF ORDER.
01:25:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE ALL BEEN HERE THROUGH ALL OF
01:25:17 THIS.
01:25:18 I DON'T THINK WE NEED A RECAP.
01:25:20 LET ME FINISH.
01:25:21 I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER, I HAVE THE FLOOR.
01:25:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
01:25:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE ALL BEEN HERE THROUGH ALL OF
01:25:27 THIS.
01:25:27 I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED A RECAP.
01:25:29 I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR
01:25:34 DIRECTING YOU AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCE.
01:25:38 YOU PROVIDED THAT ORDINANCE.
01:25:40 OKAY.
01:25:42 I WOULD LOVE TO VOTE ON IT.
01:25:43 I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO REHASH AND MAKE THIS GO EVEN
01:25:48 LONGER.
01:25:49 AND IF THERE'S A LEGAL REASON THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT, THEN
01:25:53 YOU ARE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND YOU NEED TO TELL US.
01:25:55 A LEGAL REASON.
01:25:58 >>GINA GRIMES: OKAY.
01:25:58 I WILL.
01:25:59 I WILL.
01:25:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PROCEED, MRS. GRIMES.
01:26:03 LET ME SAY THIS.
01:26:04 LET ME SAY THIS BEFORE WE GET INTO IT.
01:26:06 WE ALL WORK FOR THE PEOPLE.
01:26:09 THIS IS A TOUGH SUBJECT.
01:26:12 WE ALL MUST UNDERSTAND THAT.
01:26:14 WE HAVE TO LET OUR EMOTIONS AND DIFFERENCES GO TO THE SIDE
01:26:18 AND DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND.
01:26:21 SO MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I AM
01:26:25 GOING TO TELL THE PUBLIC, I AM GOING TO TELL THE ACLU, TELL
01:26:28 THE UNION, THE ADMINISTRATION AND THIS COUNCIL, AT THE END
01:26:31 OF THE DAY TODAY, HOPEFULLY A DECISION WILL BE RENDERED.
01:26:35 IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT.
01:26:37 IT MAY NOT BENEFIT ONE GROUP.
01:26:39 IT MAY NOT BENEFIT ANOTHER GROUP.
01:26:41 IT MAY BE A COMPROMISE TO BOTH GROUPS.
01:26:43 BUT AT THE END DAY WE WORK FOR THE PEOPLE AND WE WILL DO SO
01:26:46 AND CONDUCT OURSELVES IN A MANNER THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND
01:26:49 GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO EVERYONE.
01:26:51 SO WITH THAT, MS. GRIMES, YOU MAY CONTINUE.
01:26:54 >>GINA GRIMES: THANK YOU.
01:26:56 SHALL I COMPLY WITH MR. DINGFELDER'S DIRECTIVE?
01:26:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU LATITUDE.
01:27:01 YOU ARE THE CITY ATTORNEY.
01:27:02 YOU MAKE THE DECISION.
01:27:04 >>GINA GRIMES: I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE TIME THAN
01:27:06 NECESSARY.
01:27:07 I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SEQUENCE
01:27:09 AND SOME OF THE MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER.
01:27:11 SO IN JUNE, YOU BASICALLY DIRECTED US ACTUALLY THIS
01:27:15 COUNCILMAN GUDES TO REVIEW THE HIRING PROCESS AND HAVE THE
01:27:18 CRB PARTICIPATE IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
01:27:20 YOU ALSO ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE USE OF FORCE POLICY.
01:27:24 WE WERE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK ON JULY 16th AND REPORT
01:27:26 BACK TO YOU.
01:27:27 IN BETWEEN THAT TIME, IN ADDITION TO THOSE CHANGES, THE
01:27:31 MAYOR ALSO ASKED US TO PUT TOGETHER A CRB REFORM PROPOSAL.
01:27:36 WE ARE PREPARED TO BRING YOU THAT ON JULY 16th.
01:27:38 IF YOU RECALL THAT MEETING WAS CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE SPIKE
01:27:41 IN CORONAVIRUS.
01:27:43 SO THAT WAS DONE JULY 30th INSTEAD AND THAT WAS QUITE A
01:27:47 LENGTHY MEETING, AND EVEN THOUGH YOU CONSIDERED ALL THE
01:27:50 CHANGES YOU REQUESTED THAT WE MAKE AND ALL THE CHANGES THAT
01:27:52 WERE PROPOSED BY THE ADMINISTRATION, IN ADDITION TO THAT,
01:27:55 YOU MADE SEVERAL OTHER CHANGES.
01:27:57 FIRST OF WHICH WAS IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S WHEN THE CITY
01:27:59 COUNCIL MADE A MOTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL BE ABLE TO
01:28:03 APPOINT THE MAJORITY, THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
01:28:08 CRB.
01:28:09 YOU ALSO ASKED ME TO LOOK AT SUBPOENA POWER, INDEPENDENT
01:28:12 COUNSEL, INDEPENDENT STAFF, AND IF BOTH THOSE COULD NOT BE
01:28:15 ACCOMMODATED TO SUBMIT A MEMORANDUM OF LAW.
01:28:18 YOU ASKED THAT OUTSIDE LEADERS BE PUT ON THE CRB, COMMUNITY
01:28:22 LEADERS.
01:28:23 YOU ASKED FOR ANNUAL REPORTING.
01:28:24 YOU ASKED FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS.
01:28:28 AT THE SEPTEMBER 24th WORKSHOP WHEN IT NEXT CAME BACK,
01:28:33 IF YOU RECALL IT WAS ABOUT A FIVE AND A HALF HOUR MEETING
01:28:36 THAT DAY, AND THE DRAFT INCLUDED THE FIVE FIVE ONE BOARD
01:28:42 APPOINTMENT PROPOSAL.
01:28:43 SO THAT WAS BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
01:28:44 IT WAS THE FIVE BY CITY COUNCIL, FIVE BY THE MAYOR, AND ONE
01:28:50 NAACP TO BE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
01:28:53 WE HAD QUITE A LENGTHY AS I SAID WORKSHOP.
01:28:56 YOU HAD BOTH COMMENTS FROM THE PBA.
01:28:58 YOU HAD ALSO A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE ACLU.
01:29:01 AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING, AS I COMMITTED TO MR. CARLSON,
01:29:05 COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE ACLU, EXCHANGING INFORMATION WITH
01:29:09 THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, GIVING THEM DRAFTS, LETTING THEM
01:29:12 KNOW WHEN THE HEARINGS WERE COMING UP.
01:29:17 THEY SUBMITTED A LETTER THAT HAD TEN DIFFERENT REQUESTS IN
01:29:19 IT AND THE PBA ALSO HAD SUBMITTED SOME REQUESTS FOR CHANGES.
01:29:26 YOU ASKED US TO COME BACK TO CONSIDER THE PBAS COMMENTS AND
01:29:31 THE ACLU'S COMMENTS AND TO COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 19th.
01:29:36 THAT DRAFT ON NOVEMBER 19th INCLUDED WHAT I WILL CALL
01:29:39 THE COMPROMISE INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE COUNSEL OPTION WHERE IF
01:29:45 THERE WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT'S DETERMINED BY CITY
01:29:49 OR STATE ETHICS LAWS OR THE FLORIDA BAR RECALLS, THAT THE
01:29:53 CITY AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT I WOULD HAVE TO
01:29:57 HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO REPRESENT THE CRB WITH RESPECT TO
01:30:01 THAT MATTER ON WHICH THERE WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
01:30:03 SO THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN NOVEMBER.
01:30:07 AFTER ABOUT TWO HOURS OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND AGAIN A LOT OF
01:30:12 BRIEFINGS THAT OCCURRED BEFOREHAND, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES
01:30:14 THAT WERE MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE PBA HAD RAISED WITH
01:30:21 RESPECT TO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, AND MR.
01:30:24 DINGFELDER, WE COMMITTED TO YOU THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE IT SO
01:30:27 THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THAT
01:30:30 YOU HAD AND TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES.
01:30:32 SO IT WENT FROM NOVEMBER 19th TO FEBRUARY 25th.
01:30:37 ON FEBRUARY 25th, AFTER HAVING WORKED WITH THE PBA,
01:30:41 HOURS AND HOURS THAT URSULA AND I SPENT TO THE PHONE WITH
01:30:44 THE PBA, AND WITH THE ACLU, SAME THING, HOURS WITH THEIR
01:30:50 LAWYERS, WE HAD A PROPOSAL THAT I IN GOOD FAITH THOUGHT WAS
01:30:54 THE COMPROMISE PROPOSAL AND FULLY EXPECTED YOU ALL TO
01:30:57 APPROVE IT.
01:30:59 MAYBE I WAS NAIVE IN THINKING THAT.
01:31:04 THAT WHAT I WILL CALL THE COMPROMISE PROPOSAL FOR FEBRUARY,
01:31:06 ALSO IT CONTINUED ON.
01:31:09 THE PROVISION FOR A SEPARATE ATTORNEY, IF THERE WAS A FORMAL
01:31:13 CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
01:31:15 SO WHEN COUNCIL MADE THEIR MOTION IN FEBRUARY TO CHANGE THE
01:31:20 BOARD APPOINTMENTS TO THE 7-4 PROPOSAL, IT WAS REALLY AT
01:31:25 SOMEWHAT OF A REVERSAL OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU IN TWO
01:31:29 OR THREE OF THE EARLIER DRAFTS, AND LIKEWISE ON YOUR MOTION
01:31:34 FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT ON INDEPENDENT COUNSEL WAS ALSO
01:31:38 SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER RAISED OR BROUGHT UP IN THE
01:31:41 PREVIOUS TWO DRAFTS.
01:31:42 AND THERE WERE MANY, MANY, MANY MORE SMALLER EDITS THAT WERE
01:31:49 MADE IN BETWEEN THAT TIME.
01:31:52 AS YOU KNOW, MR. DINGFELDER, YOU GAVE YOU THE WORD DOCUMENT
01:31:54 AND YOU MADE MANY, MANY CHANGES YOURSELF.
01:31:56 AND THE ADMINISTRATION COMPROMISED ON NEARLY EVERY SINGLE
01:32:03 CHANGE, WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO THERE WERE THREE CHANGES ON
01:32:08 WHICH THEY WERE NOT WILLING TO COMPROMISE, AND THAT WAS ON
01:32:10 THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, AND ON THE SUBPOENA POWER, AND ON
01:32:16 THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS.
01:32:18 SO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY, YOU ASKED ME TO BRING
01:32:22 IT BACK TO YOU TODAY AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, I HAD AN
01:32:27 OBLIGATION TO BRING BACK TO YOU THE ORDINANCE AS YOU
01:32:29 REQUESTED, THAT IT BE AMENDED, AND IN THESE BRIEFINGS, WE
01:32:34 ADVISED YOU THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS
01:32:37 PROPOSAL, AND THAT GETS TO THE POINT THAT THERE'S A LEGAL
01:32:44 ISSUE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THAT I WILL ADDRESS AT
01:32:47 THE END OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S PRESENTATION.
01:32:50 BUT I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY THIS PROCEDURAL ISSUE BECAUSE I
01:32:55 KNOW IT'S CREATED A LOT OF CONFUSION.
01:32:58 THERE'S TWO DOCUMENTS THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH.
01:33:00 ONE IS THE ORDINANCE.
01:33:02 IT'S VERY SHORT, HAS SOME RECITAL CLAUSES, WAS GIVEN TO YOU
01:33:08 BACK IN NOVEMBER.
01:33:09 THEN THERE'S AN EXHIBIT TO THE ORDINANCE, WHICH CONTAINS THE
01:33:11 CODE SECTION.
01:33:12 THIS HAS GOTTEN -- THIS CRB PROPOSAL HAS GOTTEN SO
01:33:17 COMPREHENSIVE THAT IT'S REALLY NOT POSSIBLE TO PUT IT IN A
01:33:20 SEPARATE ORDINANCE.
01:33:22 SO WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU IS AN ORDINANCE WITH THE OPTION OF
01:33:27 THIS EXHIBIT A, WHICH IS THE MAY OPTION.
01:33:31 THE OPTION THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
01:33:33 SO I WILL PUT THAT UP THERE AS YOUR FIRST OPTION.
01:33:38 THE OPTION THAT YOU ASKED FOR.
01:33:39 I WILL ALSO PUT UP HERE THE OPTION THAT WAS AGREED TO BACK
01:33:44 IN FEBRUARY.
01:33:44 THIS WAS THE DRAFT EXHIBIT A THAT COULD BE ATTACHED TO THIS
01:33:48 ORDINANCE, IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO GO WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT
01:33:54 WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN FEBRUARY THAT WAS WHAT I WILL
01:33:58 CALL THE COMPROMISE PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSAL I THOUGHT WAS
01:34:01 POISED TO GO FORWARD.
01:34:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: POINT OF ORDER.
01:34:05 I'M SORRY.
01:34:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, LET HER FINISH AND I WILL
01:34:08 LET YOU --
01:34:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT A POINT OF ORDER PREVAILS.
01:34:15 I WAS GOOD ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL YOU PROVIDED THE PENDING
01:34:20 DOCUMENT FROM FEBRUARY, OKAY?
01:34:23 THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED ON 6 TO 1.
01:34:27 NOBODY HAS ASKED YOU THAT I AM AWARE OF, OKAY, AS A BODY,
01:34:31 THIS BODY HAS NOT ASKED YOU TO BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT WE
01:34:34 HAVE ALREADY PASSED UP.
01:34:35 THE SAME WAY I DIDN'T ASK YOU -- NOBODY ASKED YOU TO BRING
01:34:38 FORWARD THE SEPTEMBER DOCUMENT, OR THE DECEMBER DOCUMENT OR
01:34:42 ANYTHING ELSE.
01:34:43 I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY OUT OF ORDER TO BRING UP THAT
01:34:46 DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PASSED UP AND VOTED 6 TO 1 TO
01:34:50 MOVE PAST.
01:34:52 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
01:34:54 I THINK YOU ARE CARRYING THE WATER FOR MR. BENNETT OR CHIEF
01:34:58 DUGAN OR SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE ADMINISTRATION BY DOING THAT.
01:35:04 THAT'S WHY IT'S OUT OF ORDER.
01:35:08 >>GINA GRIMES: IF YOU WILL LET ME FINISH I CAN EXPLAIN WHY I
01:35:10 DID THAT.
01:35:11 THANK YOU.
01:35:12 AFTER I'M DONE I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE CHIEF DUGAN TO
01:35:15 PRESENT THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL AND MAKE THOSE POLICY
01:35:20 ARGUMENTS --
01:35:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I --
01:35:23 >>GINA GRIMES: LET ME FINISH.
01:35:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GAVE IT BACK TO HER.
01:35:26 >>GINA GRIMES: THE REASON THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS UP HERE IS
01:35:31 BECAUSE MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO TAKE ACTION
01:35:33 TODAY, BUT THEY DON'T FIND ACCEPTABLE THE MAY VERSION.
01:35:37 SO WE GO BACK TO THE MOST RECENT VERSION WHICH WAS THE
01:35:41 FEBRUARY VERSION.
01:35:41 BUT THERE'S ANOTHER REASON, A LEGAL REASON, THAT I NEED TO
01:35:45 EXPLAIN TO YOU, AND THAT IS -- AND I HESITATE TO EVER BRING
01:35:49 UP THE CHARTER BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S A VERY SENSITIVE
01:35:53 SUBJECT FOR NOT JUST YOU BUT FOR MR. SHELBY AS WELL.
01:35:59 AND I AM JUST GOING TO READ WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
01:36:02 I AM NOT GOING TO INTERPRET IT.
01:36:03 UNDER CHARTER SECTION 1.04, SEPARATION OF POWERS, CITY
01:36:07 COUNCIL IS GRANTED ALL LEGISLATIVE POWER, QUOTE, EXCEPT AS
01:36:10 OTHERWISE HEREIN EXPRESSLY PROVIDED, CLOSE QUOTE.
01:36:15 CHARTER SECTIONS 4.013 DEALING WITH THE MAYOR, AND SECTION
01:36:20 5.01D DEALING WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
01:36:24 THE CHIEF AND THE MAYOR ARE EXPRESSLY GRANTED THE DUTY AND
01:36:27 RESPONSIBILITY OF GENERAL CHARGE AND MANAGEMENT OF THE
01:36:30 POLICE FORCE, AND ISSUANCE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE
01:36:34 CONDUCT OF THE DEPARTMENT.
01:36:36 SO CITY COUNCIL'S LEGISLATIVE POWER DOES NOT EXTEND TO THE
01:36:42 POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THE CHARTER EXPRESSLY PROVIDES
01:36:45 OTHERWISE.
01:36:46 WITH REGARD TO THE MANAGEMENT OF THE SUPERVISION AND CONTROL
01:36:49 OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
01:36:52 ALSO, WE ARE CONCERNED WITHIN THE INCLUSION OF TPD
01:36:56 ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVES INTO A CRB ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT
01:37:00 WILL CREATE THE MISPERCEPTION THAT COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY
01:37:04 TO DIRECT THE AFFAIRS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY DO
01:37:07 NOT.
01:37:08 ONLY THE MAYOR AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE DO.
01:37:10 AND THAT'S I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP
01:37:14 EARLIER AS TO WHY A CHARTER REVIEW IS NECESSARY, BECAUSE
01:37:18 THERE'S PROVISIONS IN THE CITY TOAD, AND THAT'S WITH WHAT'S
01:37:29 HAPPENING HERE.
01:37:30 THIS ORDINANCE WILL REQUIRE THE MAYOR'S CONSENT AND
01:37:34 APPROVING, THE CHIEF'S CONSENT AND APPROVAL BECAUSE YOU ARE
01:37:37 DIRECTING THE AFFAIRS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU
01:37:39 DON'T HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
01:37:42 BUT THE FEBRUARY VERSION, THE MAYOR IS WILLING TO CONSENT
01:37:47 AND APPROVE OF THAT, AND SO IS THE CHIEF, AND SO THE
01:37:51 DIRECTIVES AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE FEBRUARY
01:37:54 VERSION WOULD BE CONSENTED TO BY THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF
01:38:00 POLICE AND COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO YOUR LEGISLATION.
01:38:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
01:38:10 AS THE CITY ATTORNEY INDICATED THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN
01:38:13 THE CHARTER.
01:38:15 YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE CHARTER TO THIS COUNCIL.
01:38:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID I HEAR THE WORDS INTERPRETATION?
01:38:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF THE CHARTER, THE
01:38:23 POWERS OF THIS CITY COUNCIL AS RELATES TO THE POLICE
01:38:25 DEPARTMENT AND THE ADMINISTRATION, AS PUT FORTH?
01:38:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO IF I UNDERSTAND MRS. GRIMES -- AND THIS
01:38:34 IS THE FIRST TIME I AM HEARING THIS IN THIS FORUM AND FORM,
01:38:39 FORM --
01:38:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING MR. SHELBY.
01:38:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
01:38:47 THIS SET UP.
01:38:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, IT'S WEIRD.
01:38:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT GOES BACK TO THE REASON I ASKED FOR THE
01:38:51 CONTINUANCE ON THE CHARTER ISSUE.
01:38:54 WHY I THOUGHT THAT MRS. GRIMES AND I WOULD BE ABLE TO
01:38:58 RESOLVE THESE ISSUES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND BECAUSE IT
01:39:06 WAS MY INTERPRETATION, AND MS. GRIMES AGREED WITH ME, TO DO
01:39:13 SO, WAS TO SUPERSEDE THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE THAT WAS
01:39:18 CONJOINED WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER WHICH IS A DISCUSSION I
01:39:21 DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, BECAUSE IT'S RESOLVED.
01:39:24 OR I THOUGHT SO UNTIL ACTUALLY THIS MOMENT.
01:39:27 BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS INTERPRETATION IS STILL --
01:39:33 >> MR. CHAIR.
01:39:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHOA, WHOA, LET ME MR. SHELBY FINISH,
01:39:40 AND FINISH WHAT HIS INTERPRETATION IS, AND THEN WE WILL GO
01:39:43 TO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
01:39:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT APPEARS THAT WE ARE BACK TO THE
01:39:50 DISCUSSION OF IN EFFECT A SUPER VETO BECAUSE OF THE
01:39:55 INTERPRETATION OF THE CHARTER.
01:39:57 THE MAYOR DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE TO COUNCIL
01:40:01 WHY THE MAYOR DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
01:40:04 AND IF THE MAYOR CHOOSES TO, IF THE COUNCIL STILL IN SPITE
01:40:08 OF IT, OR DESPITE IT, STILL CHOOSES TO GO FORWARD, IN THE
01:40:13 CHARTER THE MAYOR HAS A REMEDY.
01:40:14 IT'S CALLED THE VETO.
01:40:16 AND THE EXERCISE OF LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY THE CITY COUNCIL
01:40:18 CAN OVERRIDE THE VETO.
01:40:20 WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PURPOSES OF WHY THE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN
01:40:24 THE CHARTER, AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE DEPARTMENTS IN THE
01:40:28 CHARTER, AND ONE.
01:40:30 REASONS IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT -- AND I KNOW THIS FROM
01:40:33 PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS -- IS
01:40:35 SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THE CHARTER, IS SO THAT YOU AS A
01:40:39 LEGISLATIVE BODY CANNOT DISBAND IT BECAUSE IT REQUIRES THE
01:40:44 PEOPLE OF THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
01:40:46 IT'S NOT A LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION.
01:40:49 THAT'S JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT
01:40:52 I AM NOT PREPARED TO OPINE ON THIS.
01:40:54 I THINK FRANKLY, I DON'T WANT TO CHARACTERIZE IT.
01:41:02 I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION, AND BE ABLE
01:41:06 TO HEAR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S POSITION, THE ENTIRE
01:41:09 PRESENTATION BEFORE I WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO FORMULATE YOUR
01:41:14 OPTIONS.
01:41:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
01:41:18 THEN MR. DINGFELDER.
01:41:19 >>BILL CARLSON: I IMAGINED THE CITIZENS WATCHING THIS ARE
01:41:22 APPALLED AND SHOCKED BY THIS KIND OF THING.
01:41:24 THIS IS THE THING THE LAST ADMINISTRATION DID IN PULLING THE
01:41:28 CHARTER CARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND I HAVE THE UTMOST
01:41:31 RESPECT FOR MS. GRIMES, BUT WE HAVE SEEN THIS COMING UP
01:41:35 CONSTANTLY NOW, AND OUR LEGAL COUNSEL INTERPRETS IT
01:41:39 DIFFERENTLY, AND I GUESS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, THE LAST
01:41:44 MAYOR HAD A FRIENDLY COUNCIL TO GET ADVICE ON SOMETHING.
01:41:52 I FOR ONE AM NOMINATE GOING TO STAND FOR IT.
01:41:55 THE MISINTERPRETATION OF THE CHARTER OR THE INTERPRETATION
01:41:58 OF THE CHARTER THAT TAKES AWAY THE CITY COUNCIL'S POWERS.
01:42:01 YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
01:42:03 WE NEED TO SEEK LEGAL COUNSEL BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A
01:42:07 MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS FOR A FEW MONTHS, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT
01:42:13 GOING TO GET LEGAL COUNSEL HERE.
01:42:16 I'M NOT SURE MR. SHELBY DID CAN DO THAT.
01:42:19 WE NEED TO GET AN INDEPENDENT COUNSELOR A JUDGE TO ADVISE US
01:42:23 BECAUSE IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT THE CONSTANT INTERPRETATION
01:42:25 FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE
01:42:27 REPRESENTING PEOPLE OF THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE
01:42:30 MAYOR'S OFFICE SEEMS TO BE ONE SIDED IN THESE
01:42:32 RECOMMENDATIONS.
01:42:33 I AM NOT GOING TO STAND FOR IT.
01:42:35 IF MY COLLEAGUES DON'T AGREE I AM NOT GOING TO STAND FOR IT.
01:42:38 I'M SORRY.
01:42:39 THANK YOU.
01:42:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER AND MR. VIERA.
01:42:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I ASKED YOU THIS MORNING, DO WE HAVE THE
01:42:54 DOCUMENTS READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH COUNCIL'S MAY MOTION?
01:43:02 >>GINA GRIMES: YOU.
01:43:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND YOU HANDED ME THE ORDINANCE WHICH
01:43:05 HAS TWO WHEREAS CLAUSES AND MAKES REFERENCE TO EXHIBIT A,
01:43:08 WHICH IS THE MOTION, WHICH COPIES THE MOTION THAT PASSED 6
01:43:12 TO 1, COUNCIL, IN FEBRUARY AND YOU HANDED ME AND I THINK I
01:43:20 SAID, ARE WE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE, COUNCIL'S
01:43:23 DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE?
01:43:25 AND I DIDN'T GET ANY PUSH BACK WHICH IMPLIED TO ME THAT I
01:43:34 CAN MAKE A MOTION TO SAY HERE THEY ARE, LET'S BE DONE WITH
01:43:37 THIS, WE VOTED 6 TO 1 TO GET TO THIS POINT TODAY AND BE DONE
01:43:41 WITH IT, AND ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE.
01:43:43 THIS IS A GOOD ORDINANCE.
01:43:45 THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WE WORKED ON FOR MORE THAN A YEAR,
01:43:48 AS YOU DESCRIBED AT GREAT LENGTH.
01:43:52 IN CONGRESS THEY WORKED ON LEGISLATION FOR MANY YEARS.
01:43:55 WE HAVE WORKED ON THIS FOR A YEAR AND IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE AND
01:43:58 IT HAS INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, HAS INPUT FROM THE MAYOR,
01:44:01 HAS INPUT FROM US, AND IT'S READY TO GO.
01:44:05 NOW, YOU ARE PLACING THAT OTHER ONE ON THERE, AND IN MY
01:44:09 HEARING AND INSINUATING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE?
01:44:13 WE ARE THE EXCLUSIVE LEGISLATIVE BODY UNDER A CHARTER
01:44:17 PROVISION THAT YOU --
01:44:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHOA, WHOA.
01:44:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY, IT IS UPSETTING.
01:44:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET HIM FINISH.
01:44:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ARE WE NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
01:44:29 THIS ORDINANCE THAT'S IN MY HAND THAT CAME OUT OF A 6 TO 1
01:44:32 VOTE BACK IN FEBRUARY?
01:44:35 >>GINA GRIMES: MAY I ANSWER IT?
01:44:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WAS A QUESTION.
01:44:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SURE GRIMES YOU ASKED ME TO PREPARE THE
01:44:42 ORDINANCE AND I DID.
01:44:43 THE ADMINISTRATION HAS REVIEWED IT AND THEY DO NOT SUPPORT
01:44:46 IT.
01:44:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
01:44:48 AND THEY CAN VETO IT UNDER THE CHARTER.
01:44:50 >>GINA GRIMES: SEPTEMBER 24th WHEN WE HAD THE FIVE AND
01:44:53 A HALF HOUR WORKSHOP AND I SUBMITTED A LENGTHY LEGAL
01:44:56 OPINION, THIS PRECISE ISSUE WAS ADDRESSED IN THAT LEGAL
01:45:00 OPINION, ABOUT THE CHARGE, SUPERVISION AND MANAGEMENT OF THE
01:45:05 POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS SOLELY WITHIN THE JURISDICTION --
01:45:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT WE --
01:45:12 >>GINA GRIMES: AND THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF POLICE.
01:45:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING ANY ORDINANCE
01:45:16 BECAUSE YOU ARE TELLING US THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO.
01:45:18 >>GINA GRIMES: THIS WAS AN EFFORT, A COLLECTIVE EFFORT, A
01:45:23 COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AS WE COMMITTED TO FROM THE BEGINNING,
01:45:26 BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
01:45:30 AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INTERPRET THE CHARTER, YOU DON'T
01:45:33 HAVE TO BUT WE CAN AT LEAST READ IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
01:45:36 CRYSTAL CLEAR.
01:45:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU HAVE ALREADY READ IT.
01:45:40 >> IT SAYS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHALL HAVE -- OF ALL
01:45:43 MATTERS RELATING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE CHIEF OF POLICE
01:45:46 SHALL BE THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT, AND UNDER THE CONTROL
01:45:49 AND SUPERVISION OF THE MAYOR SHALL HAVE GENERAL CHARGE OF
01:45:52 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHALL BE THE DUTY OF THE CHIEF OF
01:45:56 POLICE TO, ONE, PRESERVE THE PEACE AND ENFORCE ALL
01:46:00 ORDINANCES OF THE CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, TO PROTECT
01:46:06 AND PRESERVE THE PROPERTY OF THE CITY ASSIGNED TO THE
01:46:08 DEPARTMENT, AND FOUR, TO PRESCRIBE FROM TIME TO TIME BY AND
01:46:13 WITH THE CONSENT OF THE MAYOR RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE
01:46:16 ORDERLY AND EFFICIENT CONDUCT OF THE DEPARTMENT.
01:46:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT I AM HEARING YOU SAY, GINA IS R,
01:46:30 YOU ARE READING THIS, AND YOU ARE SPEAKING TO US, AND I
01:46:33 BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THE ONLY ORDINANCE WE CAN
01:46:38 APPROVE AS A BODY AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, IS THE ORDINANCE
01:46:43 THAT THE MAYOR HAS SIGNED OFF ON, OKAY?
01:46:45 AND THE MAYOR NEVER COMES DOWN HERE AND TALKS TO US ABOUT
01:46:48 THIS AND WE HAVE NEVER SEEN HER SIGNATURE ON ANY OF THIS,
01:46:50 OKAY?
01:46:51 SO I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY OUT OF THE HORSE'S MOUTH WHAT
01:46:55 SHE WANTS OR WHAT SHE DOESN'T WANT.
01:46:57 BUT I BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THE ONLY ORDINANCE WE
01:47:02 CAN APPROVE IS THE ONE THAT THE MAYOR HAS BLESSED.
01:47:05 AND TO ME, THAT TAKES AWAY OUR LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY, OUR
01:47:11 SOLE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY AS IS STATED IN THE CHARTER.
01:47:14 OKAY?
01:47:15 AND YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE NEED THE MAYOR'S APPROVAL, THEN
01:47:20 WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT ANY ORDINANCE, ANY
01:47:23 ORDINANCE AT ALL.
01:47:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA.
01:47:28 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
01:47:30 I JUST WANT TO, HOW SHALL I SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, I AM SEEING
01:47:35 A LOT OF ESCALATION HERE, SEEING A LOT OF ESCALATION HERE.
01:47:39 I WANT TO HAVE A RESOLUTION ON THESE ISSUES TODAY.
01:47:43 ALL THE ISSUES TODAY DEALING WITH THE CRB.
01:47:46 I THINK THAT WE AGREE ON 80%, 90% OF THE ISSUES BEFORE US.
01:47:52 WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE 10%.
01:47:55 WE CAN VOTE YES OR NO ON EITHER ORDINANCE ON WHATEVER.
01:48:00 I CAN PROPOSED PROPOSE RIGHT NOW, A BUNCH OF EDITS HAVE BEEN
01:48:03 CHANGED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING AND I CAN BE VOTED
01:48:06 DOWN.
01:48:07 THE WAY I INTERPRET THE MAYOR SAYING, OR THE ADMINISTRATION,
01:48:11 MAYOR, WHATEVER, SAYING, THAT'S MY POSITION.
01:48:13 IF YOU PASS THIS, I AM GOING TO VETO IT.
01:48:15 I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE MAYOR OR THE ADMINISTRATION TELLING
01:48:18 US WE CAN'T PASS SOMETHING.
01:48:19 THAT'S THEM MERELY STATING THEIR POSITION.
01:48:23 I HAVE AGREED WITH THEIR POSITION IN THE PAST.
01:48:25 THERE'S ISSUES THAT I HAVE DISAGREED.
01:48:28 THAT'S THEM MERELY STATING THEIR OPINION.
01:48:30 WE CAN PASS WHATEVER WE WANT.
01:48:31 THEN IT'S SUBJECT TO THE SYSTEM OF OUR CHARTER.
01:48:33 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T ESCALATE THIS
01:48:36 SITUATION, IF WE DON'T PASS SOMETHING HERE TODAY, THAT IS A
01:48:41 TERRIBLE FAILURE.
01:48:42 WE SHOULD PASS SOMETHING TODAY, SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD.
01:48:45 AGAIN, WE AGREE ON 80 TO 90%, I THINK ALL OF US DO.
01:48:50 LET'S FOCUS ON THAT.
01:48:51 THAT'S JUST MY RESPECTFUL OPINION.
01:48:53 EVERYBODY WHO IS HERE, I THINK, HAS GOOD INTENTIONS.
01:48:56 I KNOW ALL SEVEN OF US, ALL SIX OF YOU ALL GOOD PEOPLE, GOOD
01:49:01 FOLKS, ALL THE FOLKS HERE ARE GOOD FOLKS, PUBLIC SERVANTS.
01:49:04 LET'S PASS SOMETHING TODAY AND FOCUS ON THE 80 OR 90%.
01:49:08 LET'S NOT ESCALATE STUFF.
01:49:10 THANK YOU.
01:49:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT AS ASTUTE AS MR. VIERA IN
01:49:16 UNDERSTANDING WHAT I HAVE HEARD AND UNDERSTANDING -- MAYBE I
01:49:19 WAS THE ONE THAT I WAS REFERRED TO 6 TO 1.
01:49:21 I AM USUALLY THE ONE ANYWAY.
01:49:24 WHEN YOU LOOK AT ITEM D, I AM NOT A LAWYER, AND I HAVE NEVER
01:49:28 BEEN IN COURT TO UNDERSTAND A DOCUMENT OTHER THAN ONE
01:49:31 I.ADOPT WANT TO SHALL LIKE WASHINGTON, D.C. WHERE THEY ARE
01:49:34 TEARING APART THE CONSTITUTION, AND THE CONSTITUTION, THE
01:49:37 CHARTER REALLY RELATES TO DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS, BUT IT
01:49:39 MEANS THE SAME THING.
01:49:40 WHAT YOU HAVE THE RATE TO DO, WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT
01:49:43 TO DO.
01:49:43 SO WE AGREE LIKE MR. VIERA SAID, 80 OR 90% OF THIS ONE ITEM,
01:49:48 MAYBE, JUST MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN PRESENT THAT
01:49:51 ONE ITEM, B, AND HAVE THESE TWO ATTORNEYS GO BEFORE A JUDGE
01:49:55 AND LET THE JUDGE MAKE THE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT IT MEANS.
01:49:58 I THINK THERE'S A FRIENDLY WAY OF DOING THESE THINGS WITHOUT
01:50:01 HAVING ALL THIS CONVERSATION.
01:50:02 WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS STARTING A WASHINGTON, D.C.
01:50:05 PROBLEM.
01:50:06 AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN HERE.
01:50:11 I HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITHOUT THAT.
01:50:12 SO THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY
01:50:16 HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITHOUT LISTENING ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER
01:50:19 SIDE AND NOTHING IN THE MIDDLE.
01:50:20 THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
01:50:22 AND THAT MIDDLE HAS DISAPPEARED IN AMERICA AND HERE IS WHERE
01:50:25 THE COUNTRY IS TORN IN HALF AND THE CITY IS GOING TO BE TORN
01:50:29 IN HALF JUST LIKE THE CONSTITUTION IS ON BOTH SIDES WHETHER
01:50:32 YOU ARE AN R OR D OR I OR NO PARTY AFFILIATION.
01:50:36 THIS IS WHAT'S COMING TO THIS COUNCIL IF WE CONTINUE THIS.
01:50:38 THANK YOU.
01:50:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, I SAW YOUR HAND.
01:50:42 THEN MR. CARLSON.
01:50:43 >>LUIS VIERA: I SEE CHIEF DUGAN HERE STANDING PATIENTLY
01:50:48 I.DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING.
01:50:51 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
01:50:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.
01:50:56 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
01:51:01 ON CHARTER ISSUES, THERE ARE MUCH BIGGER ISSUES THAT OUR
01:51:06 ATTORNEY NEEDS TIME TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND, AND WE NEED TO BE
01:51:10 ABLE TO HAVE TIME TO GET ADVICE FROM CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
01:51:15 THIS ITEM WAS PUT NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, THIS IS A
01:51:18 CONVERSATION WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING.
01:51:20 IT WAS ADDED AS AN AMENDMENT AND I AM NOT AWARE THAT ITEM D
01:51:25 OR WHATEVER THE OTHER CHOICE WAS PUT ON THE WEBSITE FOR
01:51:28 ANYBODY PUBLICLY TO GET INPUT ON IT.
01:51:30 I'M OKAY.
01:51:31 I THINK WE KNOW WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION STANDS.
01:51:34 INSTEAD OF WASTING A WHOLE AFTERNOON LISTENING TO IT, WHY
01:51:37 DON'T WE VOTE ON OPTION A AND D AND SEE WHERE WE STAND UP
01:51:41 AND IF IT ENDS IN A CHARTER FIGHT BEFORE A JUDGE I THINK WE
01:51:44 SHOULD GO BEFORE A JUDGE AT SOME POINT.
01:51:46 BUT IF WE CAN APPROVE SOMETHING AND MOVE ON, LET'S DO IT
01:51:49 INSTEAD OF SPENDING TIME GOING BACK AND FORTH, PLEASE.
01:51:52 OR IF YOU ALL WANT TO DEBATE THE CHARTER ISSUE, LET'S PUT IT
01:51:55 ON AN AGENDA, LET'S CONTINUES IT FOR A FEW MONTHS AND HAVE
01:51:59 THE CHARTER ISSUE.
01:52:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE.
01:52:03 THE MAINFRAME OF THE CHARTER IS YOUR LEGISLATIVE BODY.
01:52:11 WHICH THIS BODY DOES.
01:52:14 THE SECOND PORTION IS D, WHERE WHEN THIS BODY VOTES ON A
01:52:20 LEGISLATIVE MATTER, IT IS THE MAYOR'S DUTY TO FULFILL THE
01:52:25 CHARTER LAWS AND REGULATIONS OF THIS BODY.
01:52:30 NOW, THE SECOND PORTION OF THAT D IS CORRECT.
01:52:35 WE CAN APPROVE WHATEVER, BUT THERE MAY BE POLICIES AND
01:52:38 PROCEDURES ALONG THE WAY THAT THE MAYOR SEES, THAT THEY
01:52:45 IMPLEMENT THAT.
01:52:46 THEY ARE NOT LEGISLATIVE.
01:52:48 AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW WE ARE A LEGISLATIVE BODY.
01:52:51 THIS BODY IS A LEGISLATIVE BODY.
01:52:54 AND WE GO FORTH WITH THIS DOCUMENT TODAY, THAT IT GOES TO
01:52:58 THE ADMINISTRATION, TO SIGN OFF, IF THEY DON'T AGREE, IT
01:53:02 COMES BACK TO A VETO, IF IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO A VETO THEN
01:53:06 THE MAYOR CAN ENACT THOSE LEGISLATIVE RULES AND POLICIES.
01:53:10 NOW IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT YOU COMES UP WITH THE CHIEF'S
01:53:13 DUTY, THE MAYOR AND CHIEF HAVE THE RATE TO DO WHATEVER THEY
01:53:16 DO TO DEAL WITH THOSE PARTICULAR PROBLEMS, UNLESS IT
01:53:19 CONTRADICTS SOMETHING OF THE CHARTER OR OUR LEGISLATIVE LAWS
01:53:22 AND ORDINANCES.
01:53:24 IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
01:53:26 BUT NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE'S HEARTS AND PASSIONS THAT HAVE
01:53:33 GOTTEN INVOLVED IN THIS, AND YOU HAVE THE POLICE UNION,
01:53:37 POLICE DEPARTMENT GOING ONE WAY, ACLU AND FOLKS THE OTHER.
01:53:41 SO WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS ENTANGLED IN A DOCUMENT THAT
01:53:46 IT'S VERY SIMPLE TO I BELIEVE INTERPRET.
01:53:49 I BELIEVE THAT THIS BODY HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE LAWS AND
01:53:52 LEGISLATION, AND THE SECOND PORTION IS THE MAYOR AND
01:53:56 ADMINISTRATION THAT PUTS THOSE OUT, ANY OTHER KIND OF POLICY
01:53:59 THAT THEY WANT TO ENACT ALONG THE WAY, THEN THAT'S THE
01:54:02 POLICE CHIEF AND THE MAYOR, AND THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.
01:54:06 I'M NO LAWYER BUT THAT'S HOW I READ IT.
01:54:12 >>GINA GRIMES: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER
01:54:16 OPTIONS, THERE ARE MULTIPLE OTHER OPTIONS.
01:54:19 IT'S JUST THAT WE SPENT THE LAST YEAR IN MEETINGS GOING OVER
01:54:22 THEM ALL AND AS YOU KNOW WORKING THROUGH ALL THE LANGUAGE,
01:54:26 CHANGING IT, MASSAGING IT, I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS THE
01:54:30 LEGAL SITUATION THAT WE ALL FIND OURSELVES IN.
01:54:33 IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE REFORM OF THE CITIZENS
01:54:36 REVIEW BOARD.
01:54:37 IT ISN'T JUST THE AVERAGE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
01:54:41 THERE WERE FOUR DIFFERENT DIRECTIVES IN HERE THAT REALLY
01:54:45 CHANGED IT FROM GOING FROM THE OLD CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, IT
01:54:49 DIDN'T REALLY DIRECT THE AFFAIRS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO
01:54:52 ONE THAT DID, AND NOW THE ENTER VIEW PANEL FOR PROSPECTIVE
01:54:56 OFFICERS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PROPOSED BY CHAIRMAN
01:54:58 GUDES.
01:54:59 IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CHIEF HIMSELF SUPPORTS AND IS
01:55:03 STANDING BY READY TO IMPLEMENT.
01:55:05 BUT I THINK THAT ALL OF YOU CAN AGREE THAT COUNCIL IS THE
01:55:10 LEGISLATIVE BODY DOES NOT HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO
01:55:15 ADVISE OR DIRECT THE CHIEF TO ESTABLISH AN INTERVIEW PANEL
01:55:20 AND WHO TO PUT IT ON IT.
01:55:23 THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE EXECUTIVE FUNCTION UNDER THAT
01:55:25 CHARTER SECTION THAT I JUST READ TO YOU.
01:55:27 AND SO UNDER THE SEPARATION OF POWERS, YOU HAVE BROAD
01:55:31 LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE EXPRESSLY
01:55:34 PROVIDED IN THE CHARTER, WHICH IT IS.
01:55:37 THE OTHER MAJOR REFORM YOU ARE ADOPTING IS THE COMPLAINT
01:55:40 FILING AND TRACKING SYSTEM DIRECTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
01:55:44 AT THE TIME THEY INTAKE A COMPLAINT TO ASSIGN IT A NUMBER,
01:55:47 GIVE IT A TRACKING -- PUT IT THROUGH A TRACKING SYSTEM,
01:55:51 PUBLISH IT ONLINE AND THEN REPORT ON THOSE COMPLAINTS TO THE
01:55:55 CRB.
01:55:56 THE COMMUNITY SURVEY.
01:55:59 YOU ARE DIRECTING THE CRB TO ADVISE TPD TO CONDUCT A
01:56:02 COMMUNITY SURVEY, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS REASSIGNMENT OF
01:56:06 THE CRB ATTORNEY.
01:56:07 THAT'S ANOTHER EXECUTIVE FUNCTION THAT'S BEING DIRECTED OR
01:56:10 ADDRESSED IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER THE
01:56:15 CHARTER AS A LEGISLATIVE ACT BUT AS AN ACT THAT'S EXECUTIVE
01:56:24 AND LEGISLATIVE, IT CAN BE DONE.
01:56:25 ALL OF US, ESSENTIALLY YOU ARE COMPLYING YOUR LEGISLATIVE
01:56:29 POWERS WITH THE MAYOR'S AND THE CHIEF'S ADMINISTRATIVE AND
01:56:33 EXECUTIVE POWERS AND COMING OUT WITH A MUCH, MUCH BETTER
01:56:36 ORDINANCE AND A COMPREHENSIVE REFORM OF THE CRB THAT YOU
01:56:39 SHOULD BE PROUD OF.
01:56:40 AND THIS IS JUST SUCH A HOT BUTTON TOPIC BUT THE END PRODUCT
01:56:46 IS EXCELLENT, AND I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WHEN YOU
01:56:50 TAKE ACTION TODAY YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
01:56:52 AND I WILL LET THE CHIEF ADDRESS YOU AS FAR AS WHAT THE
01:56:57 POLICY REASONS ARE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION.
01:57:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I IS A YOUR HAND.
01:57:05 I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND.
01:57:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, NO, I PREFER, COUNCIL, THAT YOU HEAR
01:57:09 FROM THE CHIEF AND THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS.
01:57:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
01:57:13 CHIEF.
01:57:15 >>CHIEF DUGAN: CHIEF OF POLICE, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
01:57:20 AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO BE TRANSPARENT
01:57:23 WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
01:57:25 WE ARE OPEN TO OVERSIGHT AND REFORM.
01:57:27 WE HAVE LEE VIEWED AND IMPLEMENTED CHANGES AND KEPT AN OPEN
01:57:30 MIND AS TO WHAT OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTS FROM THEIR POLICE
01:57:34 DEPARTMENT.
01:57:35 AS I HAVE SAID IN THE PAST I WOULD SPEAK LESS AND LISTEN
01:57:38 MORE, AND I BELIEVE I HAVE DONE THAT.
01:57:40 BUT I AM NOW COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY TO SPEAK BECAUSE I
01:57:43 THINK IT'S TIME THAT I SPEAK TO YOU, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TOO
01:57:46 QUIET FOR WAY TOO LONG ON THIS TOPIC.
01:57:49 THE PAST YEAR HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT ON OUR POLICE
01:57:51 OFFICERS.
01:57:54 THE TIMES OF CIVIL UNREST, THE PANDEMIC, THE CONTINUED
01:57:57 CRITICISM OF POLICE HAVE TAKEN A TOLL ON OUR MORALE, POLICE
01:58:02 OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE SPLIT SECOND DECISIONS, YET
01:58:06 THIS COUNCIL HAS SPENT OVER A YEAR TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THE
01:58:10 CRB.
01:58:11 FIVE DAYS FROM NOW WILL BE THE ANNIVERSARY OF ONE YEAR
01:58:15 GEORGE FLOYD'S MURDER, AND HERE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT
01:58:19 REFORM, AND QUITE FRANKLY THIS WHOLE THING TODAY HAS BECOME
01:58:24 A CLOG IN THE DRAIN OF PROGRESSION.
01:58:30 SO I HAVE SOME SLIDES TO PRESENT.
01:58:34 WHAT'S THAT?
01:58:35 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU JUST BLAMED CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS
01:58:45 TAKING A YEAR TO GO THROUGH.
01:58:46 THIS IS A NEGOTIATION THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT FACTIONS IN
01:58:51 THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON IT.
01:58:53 SOME OF THEM WANT MORE REGULATIONS, SOME WANT LESS.
01:58:57 AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, MS. GRIMES,
01:59:00 HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR A YEAR
01:59:02 GOING BACK AND FORTH ON IT.
01:59:04 EVERY VERSION THAT COMES UP, THERE IS CONCERN GOING BACK AND
01:59:08 FORTH AND WE ARE TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERN AND TRYING
01:59:10 TO GET WHAT YOU JUST BLAMED US AS IF WE ARE NOT TRYING TO
01:59:14 FIX THE PROBLEM, OR IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGARD FOR THE
01:59:17 POLICE.
01:59:17 ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DELAYED IT IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE
01:59:20 INTERESTED PARTIES IS THE PBA AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR
01:59:23 COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY MY CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE
01:59:26 OF THE POLICE, AND WE WANT TO TAKE THE POLICE POINT OF VIEW
01:59:30 IN MIND.
01:59:31 WE DON'T WANT TO JUST TAKE THE ACLU OR THESE OTHER GROUPS
01:59:34 AND THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG.
01:59:36 I JUST FIND IT VERY OFFENSIVE, OH, CITY COUNCIL CAN'T MAKE A
01:59:40 DECISION.
01:59:40 WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY WHICH
01:59:42 UNFORTUNATELY HADN'T HAPPENED FOR A LONG TIME WITH THE CITY
01:59:46 BEFORE THIS CITY COUNCIL GOT ON BOARD AND THIS MAYOR GOT ON
01:59:48 BOARD AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE.
01:59:51 THANK YOU.
01:59:51 >> WELL, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT WE DON'T LISTEN TO
01:59:55 THE COMMUNITY.
01:59:56 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A STRONG RECORD OF COMMUNITY
01:59:59 POLICING, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY.
02:00:03 SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE HAD TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN
02:00:05 TO, AND MR. DINGFELDER TALK ABOUT GINA GRIMES CARRYING MY
02:00:10 WATER.
02:00:10 I APPRECIATE THAT BUT NOBODY CARRIES BRIAN DUGAN'S WATER.
02:00:14 I HAVE NOT HILT WITH THE MEDIA, I HAVE NOT DELEGATED ANY OF
02:00:18 MY DIRT IF I WORK.
02:00:20 I TAKE UMBRAGE WITH THAT COMMENT.
02:00:24 NOT BLAMING, I HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE
02:00:27 AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD.
02:00:32 I AM EXPLAINING TO YOU WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND IF THAT'S NOT
02:00:34 GOOD ENOUGH THEN I AM GOING TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION THAT
02:00:36 WE MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY.
02:00:42 SO THEY CAN'T WAIT.
02:00:45 WE ARE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THAT.
02:00:46 THAT CAME IN WITHIN DAYS OF THE GEORGE FLOYD MURDER.
02:00:50 AND WE IMMEDIATELY MADE CHANGES TO OUR POLICIES TO ALIGN
02:00:54 OURS OURSELVES WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES.
02:00:57 WE MADE SURE THAT OUR POLICIES REFLECTED WHAT WE PRACTICE.
02:01:01 WE BANNED NO KNOCK SEARCH WARRANTS.
02:01:04 WE DON'T DO NO KNOCK SEARCH WARRANTS. IN MY 31 YEARS AT THE
02:01:09 POLICE DEPARTMENT.
02:01:09 COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU SPENT OVER 25 YEARS THERE.
02:01:12 WE DON'T DO NO-KNOCK SEARCH WARRANTS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE
02:01:16 PUT IN THE WRITING BECAUSE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE
02:01:18 BECAUSE OF THE BRIANNA TAYLOR INCIDENT.
02:01:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [OFF MICROPHONE]
02:01:25 THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT DOCUMENT AND THAT DOCUMENT,
02:01:28 EXCUSE ME, BETWEEN THAT DOCUMENT AND THAT DOCUMENT IS THIS
02:01:31 ISSUE ABOUT WHO SELECTS THE MEMBERS.
02:01:35 SUBSTANTIVELY THERE'S NO OTHER DIFFERENCE.
02:01:38 WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
02:01:40 I BELIEVE THAT TPD DOES A GREAT JOB.
02:01:42 I THINK WE HAVE ALL DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN FIXING THIS
02:01:46 ORDINANCE.
02:01:46 THIS COUNCIL VOTED 6 TO 1 TWO MONTHS AGO TO MOVE FORWARD
02:01:50 WITH THIS ORDINANCE, AND THE ONLY THING WE TWEAKED FROM THE
02:01:55 DIFFERENCE IN THAT DOCUMENT AND THAT DOCUMENT IS COUNCIL
02:02:01 PICKS ONE MEMBER EACH, AND THE MAYOR GETS FOUR, OKAY, WHICH
02:02:05 IS A SLIGHT, A SLIGHT DROP.
02:02:08 OTHER THAN THAT, I LOVE YOU.
02:02:11 WE LOVE EACH OTHER.
02:02:12 IT'S LIKE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
02:02:15 THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE.
02:02:16 >> WELL, I AM FEELING THE LOVE, SO YOU KNOW.
02:02:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I'M SORRY.
02:02:22 ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS YOU KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL CARES ABOUT
02:02:25 YOU AND CARES ABOUT YOUR PEOPLE AND CARES ABOUT TPD, AND WE
02:02:28 SHOW IT WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.
02:02:30 >> I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS CAN CONTINUE TO GO
02:02:33 OUT INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND POLICE EFFECTIVELY WITH IT
02:02:39 HANGING OVER THEIR HEAD AND LIMBO OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE
02:02:42 SECOND GUESSED BY A CRB AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY
02:02:47 WHEN THEY ARE MAKING SPLIT SECOND DECISIONS.
02:02:50 WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.
02:02:51 AND --
02:02:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND --
02:02:55 >> TO CHANGE MY OPINION ON THE THREE ITEMS THAT EVERYBODY IS
02:02:57 ARGUING ABOUT --
02:02:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT IT'S NOT EVEN THOSE THREE ITEMS.
02:03:00 THE ONLY ISSUE RIGHT THIS SECOND IS BETWEEN THAT STARK OF
02:03:03 PAPER AND THAT STACK OF PAPER IS WHO PICKS THOSE MEMBERS.
02:03:06 THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE.
02:03:08 THE OTHER TWO ISSUES WE HAVE ALL AGREED WE ARE GOING TO PUT
02:03:11 THEM OFF TILL NEXT FEBRUARY.
02:03:13 IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE.
02:03:16 >>CHIEF DUGAN: SO AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE, I HAVE A PROBLEM
02:03:19 WITH THIS WAITING TILL NEXT FEBRUARY.
02:03:22 LET'S MAKE A DECISION TODAY.
02:03:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY
02:03:24 THOUGH.
02:03:25 >>CHIEF DUGAN: WELL, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
02:03:27 THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
02:03:28 IT CAN'T KEEP GOING TO ANOTHER DAY.
02:03:30 COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, WE WORK FOR THE PEOPLE.
02:03:34 AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE, I SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE MAYOR
02:03:37 BUT I WORK FOR THE PEOPLE.
02:03:39 SO WHY DON'T WE COME TO A CONCLUSION AND MAKE A DECISION?
02:03:42 LET'S GET EVERYBODY ON THE RECORD AND SAY, EITHER WILLING TO
02:03:46 MOVE FORWARD WITH PROGRESS, OR YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO DELAY
02:03:50 THIS.
02:03:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THIS DOCUMENT IS PROGRESS.
02:03:52 AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS IS WHO
02:03:57 PICKS THOSE MEMBERS, WHICH I FIND TO BE VERY, VERY
02:04:01 INSIGNIFICANT THING.
02:04:03 THOSE OTHER TWO ISSUES, I BACKED OFF OF.
02:04:07 OKAY?
02:04:07 THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL I BACKED OFF OF.
02:04:10 I WANTED IN THE THIS DOCUMENT.
02:04:12 THE SUBPOENA POWER, I WANTED IT IN THIS DOCUMENT.
02:04:14 BUT I BACKED OFF OF IT BECAUSE MS. GRIMES SAID WE SHUNTS DO
02:04:18 IT, WE CAN'T DO IT, WHATEVER.
02:04:20 TO ME, THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE.
02:04:23 SO WE BACKED OFF OF THAT.
02:04:24 MY FELLOW -- MADE A MOTION ABOUT THE COMPOSITION AND WHO
02:04:29 PICKS IT.
02:04:29 WE VOTED 6 TO 1.
02:04:31 WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON THIS, CHIEF.
02:04:33 WE CAN MOVE ON IT TOGETHER.
02:04:35 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I CAN'T SUPPORT DELAYING THIS TILL FEBRUARY.
02:04:37 I THINK THESE THREE ITEMS NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AND DELIVERED
02:04:40 TODAY SO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
02:04:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S VOTES ON THIS ITEM AND THEN WE CAN
02:04:45 DISCUSS THOSE OTHER TWO ITEMS LATER.
02:04:49 LATER TODAY.
02:04:49 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I THINK YOU ARE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT IS NOT
02:04:53 THE GOLDEN TICKET THE POLICE REFORM THAT SOME OF YOU THINK
02:04:57 IT IS.
02:04:57 IT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S DONE.
02:05:02 IT'S POLICY, TRANSPARENCY, HOW IT'S DONE.
02:05:04 WE HAVE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.
02:05:07 I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF IT.
02:05:09 IT NEUTERS THE AUTHORITY OF THE POLICE CHIEF WHEN WE THROW
02:05:13 EVERYTHING TO THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.
02:05:15 WE HAVE A CIVIL SERVANT BOARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:05:18 WE HAVE A POLICE OFFICER WHO WORKS FOR US.
02:05:24 THREE DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIONS ARE ALL SIMILAR.
02:05:26 THE FIRST TIME, HE WAS CLEARED BY THE DEPARTMENT.
02:05:29 THE SECOND TIME, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BELIEVE HIM NOW BECAUSE
02:05:34 NOW WE HAVE TWO INCIDENTS, HE WAS SUSPENDED.
02:05:36 THE THIRD TIME HE DID THIS, I TERMINATED HIM AS CHIEF OF
02:05:39 POLICE, BECAUSE I HOLD COPS ACCOUNTABLE.
02:05:42 HE WENT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AND GOT HIS JOB BACK.
02:05:46 WHAT DISCIPLINE DID HE GET?
02:05:48 NOTHING.
02:05:48 HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
02:05:50 THAT HE WAS SUSPENDED IN ONE INCIDENT, A VERY SIMILAR
02:05:53 INCIDENT GETS TERMINATED, AND GETS ZERO DISCIPLINE.
02:05:58 BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, THEY DON'T
02:06:01 UNDERSTAND OUR PROCEDURES.
02:06:03 I HOLD COPS ACCOUNTABLE.
02:06:05 IT'S TIME THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.
02:06:06 I DON'T THINK THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT IS THE GOLDEN TICKET
02:06:10 THE POLICE REFORM THAT SOME PEOPLE FEEL IT IS.
02:06:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS, CHIEF.
02:06:15 AS A PERSON WHO UNDERSTANDS POLICE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES,
02:06:18 ON ONE HAND I UNDERSTAND YOU.
02:06:22 ON THE OTHER HAND, I HEAR FROM CITIZENS.
02:06:27 I HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S BEST FOR EVERYBODY.
02:06:29 WHAT I SEE NOW, THERE'S A COCK DOCUMENT WE CAN VOTE UP OR
02:06:40 DOWN THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S GOING TO
02:06:46 COME UP POSSIBLY DURING OUR CHARTER REVIEW WITH MRS. GRIMES
02:06:52 AND MR. SHELBY.
02:06:54 MAYBE ATTORNEY, AND I ALWAYS SAY, IF WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE
02:07:02 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, THE CHARTER SAYS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY
02:07:11 MAKES THE DECISION ANYHOW.
02:07:13 NOW YOU HAVE A DOUBLE EDGE SWORD WITH THE ATTORNEY
02:07:15 SITUATION.
02:07:16 THESE ARE THINGS WE CAN'T MOVE ON RIGHT NOW.
02:07:20 UP OR DOWN VOTE.
02:07:22 BUT THE NUMBERS, THE REST OF THAT STUFF IS KICKED DOWN THE
02:07:24 ROAD, DURING A CHARTER REVIEW SECTION WORKSHOP ON ISSUES
02:07:29 THAT WE ARE GOING TO PULL OFF THE CHARTER.
02:07:31 BUT I DO BELIEVE YOU ARE RIGHT, WE NEED TO MOVE TODAY WITH
02:07:34 THIS ITEM.
02:07:35 IF THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T LIKE OUR VOTE, THE MAYOR HAS
02:07:37 THE RIGHT TO VETO THAT VOTE AND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A
02:07:41 SIMPLE MAJORITY IF THAT'S THE CASE.
02:07:44 I DON'T UNDERSTAND FOR ME REQUEST IS THE BIG DEAL WITH EACH
02:07:55 PERSON -- I AM NOT GOING TO PICK ANYBODY WHO I KNOW IS
02:07:58 ANTI-POLICE, I HATE THE POLICE, OR HAVE WAY OUT FAR IDEAS,
02:08:03 BUT PICK SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES,
02:08:06 WHO UNDERSTANDS COMMUNITY POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
02:08:09 A PERSON THAT'S GOING TO BE A VIABLE PERSON TO UNDERSTAND
02:08:15 HEY, THAT COP IS RIGHT, OR HE'S WRONG WITH WHAT HE DID.
02:08:18 ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THAT'S WRONG, THAT COPS COP IS
02:08:21 WRONG.
02:08:21 SO I UNDERSTAND POLICY.
02:08:24 I THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY THE CASE.
02:08:26 ANY VOTE I CHOOSE IN THE CITY, I NEVER PUT A PERSON ON THE
02:08:30 BOARD WHO IS NOT QUALIFIED OF THE SUBJECT MATTER.
02:08:33 PERIOD.
02:08:34 BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- I AM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND
02:08:40 THAT I AM MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION.
02:08:41 I HEAR YOU.
02:08:42 I UNDERSTAND YOU.
02:08:43 BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MOVE NOW ON THE ISSUE.
02:08:46 THE OTHER STUFF GETS KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
02:08:49 >>CHIEF DUGAN: MY CONCERN IS THE AS THE CHIEF IS THAT WE
02:08:54 WOULD HAVE A NEUTRAL BOARD.
02:08:56 AND I THINK WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT FORWARD IN FIVE
02:09:00 FIVE AND ONE WOULD BE MORE OF A NEUTRAL BOARD.
02:09:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT MAKES IT MORE NEUTRAL WITH FIVE AND
02:09:11 FIVE?
02:09:13 >>CHIEF DUGAN: BECAUSE WE HAVE FIVE AND FIVE AND ONE FROM
02:09:16 THE NAACP.
02:09:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T THINK AGAIN ANYBODY FROM THE SCUFF
02:09:21 LEVEL SHOULD BE ON THAT BOARD, BECAUSE SOME ISSUES MAY COME
02:09:26 UP.
02:09:26 THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.
02:09:32 URSULA, I WILL LET YOU GO.
02:09:33 >> URSULA: I HAVE LISTENED TO YOU TALK ABOUT THE VETO AND I
02:09:38 BELIEVE IT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES.
02:09:40 ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THE CURRENT EXISTING CRB
02:09:43 ORDINANCE IS THE WAY THAT IT WAS IMPLEMENTED.
02:09:46 AND I DON'T WANT TO BRING IT UP, BRING UP ANY BAD ISSUES OR
02:09:50 ANYTHING, BUT THE WAY THAT THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED, THE
02:09:54 PROVISION IN YOUR IMPLEMENTATION BACK IN 2015, NOT YOU
02:09:58 SPECIFICALLY BUT CITY COUNCIL'S IMPLEMENTATION, SAID THAT
02:10:01 THIS CHAPTER OF OUR ORDINANCE WOULD NOT GET CHANGED UNLESS
02:10:05 THOSE CHANGES WERE INITIATED BY THE MAYOR, AND THEN SENT TO
02:10:11 CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
02:10:12 THIS ISSUE AS TO THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS WAS NOT INITIATED BY
02:10:16 THE MAYOR, WHICH MEANS AS FAR AS WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, IN
02:10:21 ORDER TO CHANGE IT, IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE INITIATED BY THE
02:10:24 MAYOR AND THEN BROUGHT TO YOU.
02:10:25 THIS WAS INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL.
02:10:27 SO BY ITS VERY NATURE, YOU ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE
02:10:33 LEGISLATION OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOUR OLD LEGISLATION SAYS, THE
02:10:37 METHOD OF CHANGING IT.
02:10:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF WE GO WITH THIS NEW METHOD WE ARE
02:10:42 GETTING THE WHEREAS CLAUSE SAYING THAT A NEW ADMINISTRATION
02:10:45 COMES AND CAN'T CHANGE THAT.
02:10:47 THAT'S A CONCERN TO COUNCIL, I THINK.
02:10:50 >> WELL, I BELIEVE MRS. GRIMES ADDRESSED THAT.
02:10:53 WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED IN THE FEBRUARY EDITION WAS I
02:10:56 BELIEVE WHAT WE WERE REFERRING TO, AND SO THE NEW
02:11:00 LEGISLATION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED WOULD NOT HAVE THAT, IF
02:11:03 YOU CALL IT NUANCE, WHATEVER THAT TECHNICALITY IS, IT WOULD
02:11:06 NOT BE IN THE NEW ORDINANCE, OR EXECUTIVE ORDER.
02:11:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO THE NEW ORDINANCE WILL SUPERSEDE THE
02:11:14 OLD EXECUTIVE ORDER.
02:11:16 CORRECT?
02:11:17 >> UNDER THE VERSION THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU UNDER THE
02:11:20 FEBRUARY 2021 VERSION, YES, SIR.
02:11:23 >>GINA GRIMES: I WAS GOING TO ADD, I SAID TO YOU PREVIOUSLY
02:11:29 THAT THIS PROPOSAL REQUIRES THE ADMINISTRATION'S APPROVAL AS
02:11:35 WELL AS THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, AND SO THE MANNER WHICH WE
02:11:38 WERE GOING TO DO THAT IS COMPANION, YOU REMEMBER TALKING
02:11:41 ABOUT THE COMPANION EXECUTIVE ORDER AND ORDINANCE.
02:11:44 WE WERE GOING TO DO WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE RIP AND REPLACE
02:11:50 BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW HOW UNPLEASANT THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE,
02:11:56 THE SENTIMENT ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE AND THE PREVIOUS
02:11:59 EXECUTIVE ORDER, SO WE WERE GOING TO SUPERSEDE THE PREVIOUS
02:12:03 ORDINANCE FROM 2015, WE WERE GOING TO SUPERSEDE THE PREVIOUS
02:12:08 EXECUTIVE ORDER FROM 2015.
02:12:10 HOWEVER, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER WILL STATE THAT THE DIRECTIVES
02:12:16 TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CANNOT BE CHANGED UNLESS THE MAYOR
02:12:19 AGREES TO THE CHANGES, TO THE DIRECTIVES, MR. DINGFELDER --
02:12:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WAIT A MINUTE.
02:12:28 >>GINA GRIMES: WHEN YOU --
02:12:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY -- point of order.
02:12:33 Point of order.
02:12:37 >>GINA GRIMES: When it comes to those sweeping directives,
02:12:39 it's going to require the consent of the chief and the
02:12:42 mayor.
02:12:43 There are minor changes you can make to the existing
02:12:46 ordinance if you would like.
02:12:54 I evaluated that as an option C.
02:12:56 BUT THEY HAVE NO WHERE NEAR THE VALUE OR TRANSPARENCY THAT
02:13:00 ALL OF THESE COMPREHENSIVE CHANGES WILL PROVIDE.
02:13:02 BUT YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT IT'S GOT TO BE A JOINT PROPOSAL
02:13:06 BETWEEN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE
02:13:09 BRANCH. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S SO OBJECTIONABLE.
02:13:12 I ACTUALLY THINK IT DEMONSTRATES THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION
02:13:16 AND WE END UP WITH A MODEL CRB.
02:13:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY IS TRYING TO DANCE.
02:13:23 I WILL LET MR. SHELBY TALK AND THEN -- MR. DINGFELDER AND
02:13:27 THEN GO TO YOU, SIR.
02:13:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HEAR REFERENCE TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
02:13:32 OF THE WORD CHANGE.
02:13:36 THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.
02:13:40 IT SUPERSEDES EVERYTHING.
02:13:44 BECAUSE IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE ORDINANCE AS IT STANDS AND
02:13:48 THE WAY IT'S BEEN INTERPRETED IN THE SEPTEMBER MEMO FROM THE
02:13:54 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT SHE REFERENCED, WITH THAT
02:13:57 INTERPRETATION, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE ORDINANCE AS IT
02:14:00 STANDS VIOLATES THE SEPARATION OF POWERS OF THE CHARTER,
02:14:05 BECAUSE YOU AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY CANNOT CHANGE THAT WITHOUT
02:14:10 THE PRIOR APPROVAL WEST MAYOR.
02:14:14 THAT'S ALL THIS WILL BE THE FIRST AMENDMENT, PRIOR
02:14:17 RESTRAINT.
02:14:18 YOU ARE RESTRAINED EVEN BEFORE PROPOSING SOMETHING UNLESS
02:14:22 YOU HAVE THE MAYOR'S BLESSING.
02:14:24 THE MAYOR IS ALSO BOUND.
02:14:27 WHY?
02:14:28 BECAUSE IF SHE CHANGES THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT IS CONTRARY
02:14:31 TO THE LAW, WHICH IS CONTRARY TO THE ORDINANCE, THEN SHE IS
02:14:35 IN VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER.
02:14:37 AND I DON'T THINK -- I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD AGREE
02:14:40 THAT THE MAYOR CAN'T DO THAT.
02:14:42 SO SHE WOULD -- SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO EXECUTIVE ORDERS BUT
02:14:47 SHE CANNOT DO IT INCONSISTENT WITH THE COUNCIL.
02:14:49 SHE CANNOT DO IT INCONSISTENT WITH LAW.
02:14:51 SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, COUNCIL, FRANKLY, IS CHECK, AND IF
02:14:57 COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, I
02:14:59 THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE RESOLVED IN ONE FORM OR
02:15:02 FASHION.
02:15:02 OTHERWISE, FRANKLY, COUNCIL, YOU MAY VERY WELL, BOTH THE
02:15:07 ADMINISTRATIVE, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, AND THE LEGISLATIVE
02:15:10 BRANCH, MAY BE STUCK WITH THIS WHERE NEITHER SIDE CAN CHANGE
02:15:15 IT UNLESS YOU CAN WORK TOGETHER AS A CITY.
02:15:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, MR. DINGFELDER, MR. VIERA.
02:15:21 >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME
02:15:27 OUT THAT MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO COMMENT TO, BUT AS SOMEONE
02:15:31 STATED BEFORE, THIS IS FIXING THE 2015 VERSION.
02:15:34 THIS IS NOT BECAUSE OF LAST YEAR.
02:15:36 IT'S NOT ANYTHING NEW.
02:15:37 IT'S FIXING THE 2015 VERSION.
02:15:41 WHICH SOMEBODY CAN GOOGLE THE HISTORY ON IT AND SEE WHY IT
02:15:45 WAS CREATED AND THE ORIGIN OF THAT WAS A STORY BY THE TIMES,
02:15:52 AND THE COMMUNITY WAS UPSET ABOUT IT AND THEY SAID WE NEEDED
02:15:55 SAFEGUARDS.
02:15:56 AND THE REASON WHY THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT BALANCE OF
02:15:58 POWER NOW, IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION BUT WHAT
02:16:00 HAPPENS IF WE GET ADMINISTRATION IN THE FUTURE THAT
02:16:04 SOMETHING LIKE BIKING WHILE BLACK HOW DO WE KNOW THE PUBLIC
02:16:07 IS PROTECTED?
02:16:08 AND THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD IS NOT JUST BECAUSE A CITY
02:16:13 COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTS SOMEBODY DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE PRO
02:16:16 OR AGAINST THE POLICE.
02:16:17 THEY ARE GOING TO PICK SOMEBODY WHO REPRESENTS THE BROAD
02:16:20 CROSS SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
02:16:23 I THINK THE MAJORITY OF MY CONSTITUENTS ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE
02:16:26 OF THE POLICE.
02:16:27 SO IF I APPOINT SOMEBODY THAT HATED THE POLICE I WOULD GET
02:16:30 THROWN OUT OF OFFICE FOR THAT.
02:16:31 SO IT'S JUST ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT IT REPRESENTS THE
02:16:35 PUBLIC, THE MAYOR, WHOEVER THAT IS, IS ONE PERSON WHO
02:16:39 REPRESENTS, AND WE ARE SEVEN PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT A
02:16:44 CONSTITUENCY.
02:16:44 THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS PROCESS TODAY IS THAT
02:16:49 WE AND THE PUBLIC, MAINLY THE PUBLIC GOT THIS INFORMATION
02:16:52 LAST SECOND.
02:16:53 TODAY THERE'S SOME NEW LEGAL ARGUMENTS BEING ARGUED.
02:16:56 THERE'S ONE THAT WAS JUST ARGUED THAT I NEVER HEARD BEFORE.
02:16:59 WE ASKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THE CHARTER ISSUES BE
02:17:03 HANDLED BEHIND THE SCENES SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS ARGUE
02:17:05 NUMBER PUBLIC.
02:17:06 I THINK THAT BESIDES US GETTING THE DOCUMENTS AT THE LAST
02:17:10 MINUTE WE ALL SHOULD HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON THESE ISSUES SO WE
02:17:12 COULD HAVE FIGURED THIS OUT BEFORE WE WALKED IN.
02:17:14 WE SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF HOUR
02:17:17 CONVERSATION.
02:17:17 THE PUBLIC IS NOT EVEN WEIGHING IN ON IT.
02:17:20 AT THE END OF THIS, OUR CHOICES, I THINK, REALLY ARE WE HAVE
02:17:23 GOT TO DEFER IT SO WE CAN WORK OUT THE CHART CHARTER IRONS
02:17:27 WHICH WE ASKED IT BE RESOLVED MONTHS AGO AND APPARENTLY NOT
02:17:31 BEEN RESOLVED, WE ASKED THOSE TO BE RESOLVED, THEY ARE NOT
02:17:34 RESOLVED.
02:17:35 ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR THIS TO
02:17:38 SUPERSEDE THE OLD ONE, AND NOW APPARENTLY THE ONE VERSION WE
02:17:41 HAVE ON THE TABLE CANNOT SUPERSEDE, WHICH I JUST LEARNED
02:17:44 I.DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IN READING THE DOCUMENTS.
02:17:46 AND SO WHAT I THINK IS WE NEED -- INSTEAD OF HAVING ANOTHER
02:17:52 TWO HOURS OF CONVERSATION WE SHOULD VOTE TO EITHER CONTINUE
02:17:54 IT SO THAT WE CAN WORK OUT THE CHARTER ISSUES OR WE SHOULD
02:17:58 JUST DO UP OR DOWN ON EACH ISSUE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
02:18:02 I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE ISSUES NOW.
02:18:04 THANK YOU.
02:18:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA AND MR. MIRANDA.
02:18:07 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
02:18:09 YOU WANTED TO POINT OUT, I GUESS FOR FUTURE, CHIEF DUGAN WAS
02:18:22 SPEAKING.
02:18:22 I ALWAYS THINK THAT ANY SPEAKER, COULD BE CHIEF DUGAN, COULD
02:18:26 BE GINA GRIMES, COULD BE ANYBODY, THAT WHEN QUESTIONS ARISE
02:18:31 DURING A PERSON'S SPEAKING, IT KIND OF GETS US A LITTLE, I
02:18:35 DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD OFF TOPIC BUT GETS US NOT FOCUSED
02:18:39 WHERE WE SHOULD BE.
02:18:39 I AM GOING TO USE THE WORD AGAIN, ESCALATION.
02:18:42 I HAVE USED THAT A LOT TODAY.
02:18:43 I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE.
02:18:47 WE AGREE ON 80 OR 90% OF THE ISSUES.
02:18:51 YOU EVEN LOOK AT WHO GETS TO APPOINT MEMBERS.
02:18:55 THE SEVEN TO FOUR SPLIT I VOTED NO ON THAT.
02:18:58 THE REASON I VOTED NO ON THAT IS BECAUSE A NUMBER OF THINGS,
02:19:02 CHIEFLY, I DON'T SEE A PATHWAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
02:19:05 PRESENTLY SERVING ON THE BOARD TO BE REAPPOINTED BY WHOEVER
02:19:10 IS GOING TO REFINE THEM, AND I DON'T SEE THAT.
02:19:14 I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO.
02:19:18 YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOOK AT HAVING THAT 11th APPOINTMENT
02:19:22 UNDER A 6 TO 5 SPLIT CONFIRMED BY CITY COUNCIL GIVES US A
02:19:26 MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS.
02:19:28 THAT'S A GOOD THING.
02:19:29 THAT'S OBVIOUSLY PROGRESS.
02:19:30 BUT AGAIN, WE AGREE ON 80 OR 90% OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE
02:19:35 BEFORE US.
02:19:36 YOU AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHICH IS WE OUGHT TO VOTE
02:19:39 ON THESE THINGS TODAY.
02:19:41 I DO NOT, ABSENT SOME ISSUE THAT COMES OUT OF LEFT FIELD, A
02:19:47 CONTINUES ANSWER ON THIS TODAY?
02:19:48 I THINK WOULD BE LACKING UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
02:19:52 WE SHOULD VOTE UP OR DOWN.
02:19:54 AND AGAIN, WE AGREE ON VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE ISSUES.
02:19:58 AND ON THE ISSUE OF THE APPOINTMENTS AND THE MAJORITY, I
02:20:00 THINK WE AGREE ON PRINCIPLE.
02:20:04 IT'S A MATTER OF THE PROPER IMPLEMENTATION IN MY OPINION.
02:20:08 BUT JUST MY THOUGHTS.
02:20:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
02:20:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE.
02:20:13 I LISTENED, AND WE ARE SO CLOSE, AND YET SO FAR.
02:20:19 AND BEING FAR AND CLOSE BEING THE SAME.
02:20:23 THAT MEANS YOU AIN'T COMING TO NO CONCLUSION.
02:20:26 I SAID IT EARLIER.
02:20:28 I SAID IT AGAIN, WHOEVER GETS, APPEAL TO THE COURT AND LET
02:20:33 THE COURT DECIDE ON ITEM D.
02:20:35 THAT'S WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
02:20:37 THAT CAUSED ALL THIS ITEM.
02:20:39 I THINK THERE WERE SEVEN WORDS AFTER THE FIRST INTERIM AND I
02:20:43 FORGOT WHAT THE WORDS SAID BUT IT ENDED WITH A PERIOD BEFORE
02:20:46 THE SENTENCE RAN OUT, AND THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THAT
02:20:48 PARAGRAPH, AND THOSE ARE THE WORDS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT
02:20:52 NOW.
02:20:53 AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT LONG ENOUGH TO
02:20:56 MEMORIZE IT.
02:20:57 SO THOSE ARE THE WORDS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, MR. SHELBY AND
02:21:01 MRS. GRIMES, PRESENT, NOT AS OPPOSITION, ONE VIEW AND
02:21:08 ANOTHER VIEW, SIMPLY ON THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER
02:21:10 TODAY.
02:21:11 AND LET THE JUDGE DECIDE, BECAUSE IF NOT, THIS IS GOING TO
02:21:14 CARRY ON FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER, 2015, WHETHER THIS MAYOR
02:21:20 OR THE NEXT MAYOR, THESE THINGS WILL BE EATING AWAY AT THIS
02:21:23 CITY OF OVER 400,000 PEOPLE AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GOING
02:21:27 TO SUFFER.
02:21:28 SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS CLUB TORN IN HALF.
02:21:31 I DON'T WANT TO BE WASHINGTON, D.C.
02:21:34 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:21:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT.
02:21:45 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
02:21:47 I JUST WANT TO TALK FROM THE LENS OF THE ADMINISTRATION FOR
02:21:50 A MINUTE.
02:21:51 WE HAVE ALL HEARD THE TIMELINES.
02:21:53 WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
02:21:55 I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THOSE POINTS IN THE
02:21:57 CONVERSATION.
02:21:58 WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME VERY TOUGH THINGS FROM TWO YEARS
02:22:02 AGO, WORKED VERY HARD TO GET THEM DONE.
02:22:04 WE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY.
02:22:05 WE LISTENED TO THE UNION.
02:22:07 WE LISTENED TO THE ACLU.
02:22:09 WE LISTENED TO COUNCIL.
02:22:10 WE LISTENED TO CONSTITUENTS.
02:22:12 THERE ARE 64 POLICE CALLS AN HOUR GOING ON OUT THERE.
02:22:15 64 AN HOUR.
02:22:17 THAT'S MORE THAN ONE A MINUTE.
02:22:20 THAT THOSE OFFICERS ARE MAKING DECISIONS ON.
02:22:22 THEY NEED SOME CLOSURE REGARDLESS OF THE REST OF THE JOURNEY
02:22:27 IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION AFTER DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS.
02:22:30 I HAVE INVESTIGATED OFFICERS.
02:22:31 I TRAINED OFFICERS.
02:22:33 I HAVE COACHED OFFICERS.
02:22:34 I HAVE DISCIPLINED THEM, TERMINATED THEM, BROUGHT THEM BACK
02:22:37 TO WORK, REJUVENATED THEIR CAREERS, I HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE
02:22:40 COUNTRY CHANGING POLICY, LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION PROGRAM
02:22:44 DOING POLICE REFORM AROUND THE WORLD, NOT JUST IN THE UNITED
02:22:47 STATES.
02:22:47 I HAVE SEEN THIS.
02:22:49 I HAVE BEEN AN INSTRUCTOR IN EVERY SINGLE FACETS OF THE
02:22:54 EMPLOYING POLICE OFFICERS THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE.
02:22:56 THAT 80% THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, I WILL USE COUNCILMAN
02:23:00 VIERA'S POINTS ON THAT REAL QUICK, THAT WAS 80% FROM WHERE
02:23:03 WE WERE.
02:23:04 SO IT'S TRULY FROM ZERO TO 80, NOT JUST 80 WITHIN THE ACTUAL
02:23:09 OPPORTUNITY TO PASS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION THINKS IS A
02:23:14 REALLY BIG LEAP IN PROGRESS.
02:23:16 I HAVE SEEN MODEL POLICIES FROM THE INTERNATIONAL
02:23:19 ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE.
02:23:21 I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS.
02:23:23 I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH THE
02:23:26 ACLU, THE UNION, COUNCIL, CONSTITUENTS, USF, ACADEMIC SIDE,
02:23:31 I HAVE PUT TOGETHER A MODEL, AN ABSOLUTE MODEL CRB PLAN
02:23:36 GOING FORWARD.
02:23:38 ARE THERE A FEW THINGS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT OVER TIME
02:23:42 THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T FEEL SHOULD GO ACROSS?
02:23:45 AND I WANT TO POINT OUT TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S COMMENTS, I
02:23:48 HAVE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF YOU ABOUT WHAT MS. URSULA JUST
02:23:54 TALKED ABOUT, RIP AND REPLACE.
02:23:56 THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO COUNCIL THAT WE HAD A NEW
02:23:58 FOUNDATION.
02:23:59 THAT NEW FOUNDATION IS PUT IN FRONT OF YOU ABSENT OF THOSE
02:24:03 THINGS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION THINKS DOES NOT NEED TO BE IN
02:24:07 THE VERSION THAT WAS ISSUED IN MAY BUT BACK IN FEBRUARY, AND
02:24:11 THAT LIST IS A TREMENDOUS LEAP OF PROGRESS WITHIN THE CRB,
02:24:16 AND THOSE OFFICERS AND THOSE CITIZENS THAT ARE RECEIVING
02:24:20 POLICE SERVICE DESERVE CLOSURE TODAY.
02:24:23 AND THAT'S HOW I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT.
02:24:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT.
02:24:31 WE ALL APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE, OF COURSE THE CHIEF'S
02:24:35 SERVICE, AND ALL OF TPD.
02:24:37 WE APPRECIATE MRS. GRIMES.
02:24:39 MRS. GRIMES, I KNOW YOU PUT YOUR HEART INTO THIS AS WELL AS
02:24:43 URSULA, MS. RICHARDSON.
02:24:45 WE APPRECIATE YOU, TOO.
02:24:48 I GO FURTHER THAN 80%, MR. VIERA.
02:24:51 I WOULD SAY WE ARE 99%.
02:24:55 AND AS OF TWO MONTHS AGO, IN FEBRUARY, MAYBE LONGER THAN TWO
02:25:00 MONTHS AGO, COUNCIL SAID WE ARE DONE, WE ARE DONE.
02:25:07 VOTED 6 TO 1, AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ALREADY.
02:25:12 WE VOTED 6 TO 1.
02:25:15 AND FRANKLY, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING UNTIL YESTERDAY
02:25:18 AFTERNOON THAT ANYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAD A PROBLEM
02:25:21 WITH IT.
02:25:23 NOT A PEEP.
02:25:24 HOW MANY DAYS HAVE GONE BY SINCE THAT VOTE UNTIL YESTERDAY
02:25:30 AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON?
02:25:37 I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH EVERYTHING.
02:25:39 I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE.
02:25:41 I JUST THINK THAT WE VOTED 6 TO 1 TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS
02:25:44 TREMENDOUS ORDINANCE, THAT IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT OF OVER
02:25:49 WHERE WE WERE BEFORE, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALL WORK
02:25:51 WITH TOGETHER, INCLUDING THIS FINE MAYOR.
02:25:55 AND I HOPE THAT SHE'S OKAY WITH IT.
02:25:58 BUT WITH THAT I AM GOING TO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT AND PASS THE
02:26:02 ORDINANCE TODAY, FOR FIRST READING, THAT INCLUDES THE
02:26:08 EXHIBIT A THAT MRS. GRIMES GAVE US, AND I AM GOING TO
02:26:12 PROVIDE THIS FOR THE CLERK, AND IF COUNCIL NEEDS COPY, THE
02:26:15 CLERK CAN MAKE A COPY, THE EXHIBIT A THAT WE VOTED ON 6 TO 1
02:26:20 THAT INCLUDES COUNCIL HAVING SEVEN VOTES, ONE EACH, AND THE
02:26:28 COVER DOCUMENT WHICH IS THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE, AND THE
02:26:31 DESCRIPTION, WHICH HAS TWO WHEREAS CLAUSES, AND MS. GRIMES
02:26:36 PROVIDED ME THIS AS WELL.
02:26:37 SO I AM GOING TO GIVE THIS TO THE CLERK.
02:26:39 AND THAT'S MY MOTION.
02:26:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. DINGFELDER, MAY I JUST ASK, IS THAT A
02:26:44 CLEAN COPY FOR THE CLERK, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE WORDS ON
02:26:47 THEM?
02:26:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE WORD WHAT?
02:26:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DRAFT.
02:26:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE'S NO WORD DRAFT ON THERE.
02:26:54 THERE'S A CLEAN COPY WITH NONE OF MY HANDWRITING OR
02:26:57 ANYTHING.
02:26:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
02:27:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT --
02:27:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.
02:27:11 I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:27:13 AND THIS IS I GUESS PROCEDURAL.
02:27:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WAIT A SECOND.
02:27:17 LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET A SECOND.
02:27:19 >> SECOND.
02:27:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION.
02:27:23 MR. CARLSON SECOND.
02:27:24 I WANT TO GO TO MR. SHELBY FIRST AND THEN MR. MANISCALCO.
02:27:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
02:27:35 THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PRESENTED DID NOT HAVE AN ATTACHMENT
02:27:42 WITH IT.
02:27:43 YET THERE IS A SIGNATURE LINE ON THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS AS
02:27:49 TO LEGAL SUFFICIENCY, ALIGN FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
02:27:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY SIGN IT LATER.
02:27:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT MY QUESTION IS, SHE PREPARED THIS
02:27:56 PURSUANT TO COUNCIL'S MOTION.
02:27:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
02:27:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, IF IT'S HER POSITION THAT
02:28:01 IT SHOULD BE THAT ONE AND NOT THE OTHER ONE, FOR CHARTER
02:28:04 REASONS, THE QUESTION IS, IS IT --
02:28:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, NO, MR. SHELBY.
02:28:09 PLEASE DON'T TAKE US DOWN THAT ROAD.
02:28:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHOA, WHOA.
02:28:16 ORDER.
02:28:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY.
02:28:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HE.
02:28:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HE HAS THE FLOOR.
02:28:21 YOU CAN GIVE DIRECTION ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING MR. SHELBY
02:28:24 HAS THE FLOOR.
02:28:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER RAISED A VERY
02:28:27 INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW BEGUN THIS
02:28:30 UNTIL YESTERDAY.
02:28:32 AND HE DID REFERENCE THE FACT THAT THIS ISSUE WAS AN ISSUE
02:28:39 FROM COUNCIL'S VOTE ON FEBRUARY 25th.
02:28:43 NOW, AS TO COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO SUPERSEDE THIS ORDINANCE AND
02:28:48 RESOLVE THE PROBLEMS IN 2015, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY
02:28:52 EXCELLENT SOLUTION.
02:28:53 AND SOLVED A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
02:28:55 AND YET TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME, AS WE ARE SITTING HERE
02:28:57 NOW, I AM HEARING THE FACT THAT THERE ARE BASES IN THE
02:29:02 CHARTER THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU
02:29:04 SUPERSEDE IT OR NOT.
02:29:05 YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT WITHOUT THE MAYOR UNLESS THE CITY
02:29:08 ATTORNEY IS GOING TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY THAT'S THE
02:29:10 CASE.
02:29:10 I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE IN YOUR NEW ORDINANCE.
02:29:13 NEW ORDINANCE CREATES AN ANNUAL REPORT.
02:29:17 AND EVERYBODY WANTS THE ANNUAL REPORT.
02:29:21 WELL, HERE IS MY QUESTION TO YOU, COUNCIL.
02:29:25 WHAT IS YOUR ROLE AND YOUR ABILITY TO RESPOND AS A
02:29:28 LEGISLATIVE BODY TO SOMETHING IN THE ANNUAL REPORT?
02:29:31 ARE YOU PRECLUDED FROM DOING ANYTHING UNLESS YOU GET PRIOR
02:29:34 APPROVAL OF WHATEVER MAYOR OR FUTURE COUNCIL HAS TO GET THE
02:29:38 PRIOR APPROVAL OF WHATEVER MAYOR BASED ON THE OPINION OF THE
02:29:41 CITY ATTORNEY?
02:29:42 SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE AN ANNUAL REPORT, YOU A FUTURE COUNCIL
02:29:48 MAY RAISE AN ISSUE AND YET YOU WILL HAVE A CONSTANT OPINION
02:29:51 THAT SAYS YOU HAVE NO POWER TO CHANGE IT UNLESS THE MAYOR
02:29:54 GIVES YOU PRIOR APPROVAL.
02:29:56 BELIEVE ME, I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AS I SIT HERE
02:29:58 TODAY HAD I NOT HEARD THIS ISSUE FOR THE FIRST TIME.
02:30:01 I AM JUST CONCERNED.
02:30:03 YOU CAN PASS IT, COUNCIL.
02:30:04 BUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS PROBABLY HAVING THE SAME LEGAL
02:30:07 EFFECT AS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PRIOR COUNCIL IN 2015 AND
02:30:10 THAT'S WHY YOU FEIGNED YOURSELVES WHERE YOU ARE TODAY IT.
02:30:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER.
02:30:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, I AM GOING TO QUOTE THE
02:30:21 CHIEF RIGHT NOW AND SAY SOMETIMES WE NEED SOME FINALLY AT,
02:30:24 OKAY?
02:30:25 THIS MOTION ON THE FLOOR, LEGAL COUNCIL HANDED US A DOCUMENT
02:30:29 PURSUANT TO OUR MOTION, OKAY.
02:30:32 I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT.
02:30:34 HOPEFULLY IT WILL PASS.
02:30:35 IF IT PASSES, AND LEGAL COUNSEL DOESN'T WANT TO SIGN IT,
02:30:40 THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE, OKAY.
02:30:42 I DON'T THINK THAT REMOVES ITS FUNCTION BECAUSE APPARENTLY
02:30:46 DIDN'T GET SIGNED FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO EITHER.
02:30:49 BUT IT'S BEEN LAW EVER SINCE.
02:30:51 IF YOU LOOK IT UP ON MUNI CODE IT'S THERE.
02:30:54 BUT THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE.
02:30:56 I DON'T WANT TO HAVE CONJECTURE AND SPECULATION ON WHAT MRS.
02:31:00 GRIMES MIGHT DO OR MIGHT NOT DO, THE SAME WAY IN REGARD TO
02:31:02 THE MAYOR WHO I RESPECT TREMENDOUSLY.
02:31:05 WHEN SHE GETS THIS ORDINANCE, IF WE APPROVE THAT TODAY, WHEN
02:31:09 SHE GETS IT, I GUESS SHE HAS TWO CHOICES, THREE CHOICES, I
02:31:14 GUESS, OR TWO CHOICES, I GUESS.
02:31:16 SHE SIGNS IT, AND IT GOES INTO LAW.
02:31:18 SHEET DOESN'T SIGN IT, IT GOES INTO LAW, OR SHE VETOS IT.
02:31:23 THREE CHOICES.
02:31:23 BUT THAT'S HER PREROGATIVE.
02:31:25 WE ALL HAVE PREROGATIVES.
02:31:27 THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF OUR SYSTEM.
02:31:28 WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
02:31:29 WE ARE ABOUT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING.
02:31:30 LET -- PLEASE LET US VOTE ON IT, MR. SHELBY.
02:31:35 WE CAN LOOK AT ALL THE WHAT-IFS FROM HERE UNTIL ETERNITY AND
02:31:39 MR. MIRANDA AND I WILL GET OLDER AND OLDER.
02:31:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM ALREADY OLD.
02:31:43 YOU ARE GETTING OLDER.
02:31:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT LET US PLEASE VOTE ON THIS.
02:31:47 LET'S NOT LOOK AT ALL THE WHAT-IFS.
02:31:49 OTHERWISE WE WILL BE HEAR ANOTHER YEAR.
02:31:51 LET'S JUST VOTE ON THIS.
02:31:52 AND THE WHAT-IFS WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
02:31:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MRS. GRIMES?
02:32:01 I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
02:32:03 YOUR CONCERN AND MR. SHELBY'S CONCERN.
02:32:06 >>GINA GRIMES: I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE EXAMPLE I DON'T KNOW
02:32:10 IS ACCURATE SINCE THE ANNUAL REPORT REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN IN
02:32:13 THERE SINCE 2015.
02:32:15 SO THE ISSUE THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH IS NOT -- WE HAVE DONE
02:32:24 THE BEST JOB THAT WE CAN TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU
02:32:27 WANTED, ESPECIALLY YOU, MR. DINGFELDER.
02:32:30 WE HAVE BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE EVERY
02:32:33 REQUEST THAT YOU HAVE MADE.
02:32:36 AND MR. CARLSON, THE RIBBON REPLACE PROPOSAL WAS DONE TO
02:32:42 ELIMINATE ALL THE HARD FEELINGS FROM THE 2015 CREATION OF
02:32:46 THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
02:32:49 BUT AGAIN, THIS ORDINANCE REQUIRES THE COOPERATION OF BOTH
02:32:55 THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCH, AND I
02:32:59 DON'T KNOW WHY THAT HAS CREATED SUCH A STIR, SUCH A
02:33:03 CONTROVERSY, WITH YOU.
02:33:04 YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF IT THAT YOU HAVE WORKED TOGETHER, AND
02:33:07 THAT YOU HAVE A PRODUCT LIKE THIS, THAT I CAN ASSURE YOU NO
02:33:10 OTHER CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD HAS.
02:33:13 SO WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT, THE COMPROMISE WOULD BE THE FIVE
02:33:21 FIVE ONE, THE FEBRUARY PROPOSAL.
02:33:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, FUR GOING TO SAY SOMETHING --
02:33:28 MR. SHELBY.
02:33:32 >>GINA GRIMES: WE COULD BE HERE FOR ANOTHER WEEK ARGUING.
02:33:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO.
02:33:41 I CAN'T SEE YOU.
02:33:43 YOU HAVE TO SIT UP A LITTLE BIT.
02:33:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM NOT ITCHING TO SAY ANYTHING.
02:33:51 I AM JUST ITCHING.
02:33:51 >>BILL CARLSON: BY THE WAY, IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE, I HAVE
02:34:07 GOT A GUEST IN TOWN WHO HAS ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE BY
02:34:13 CANCER AND I WANT TO SPEND THIS AFTERNOON WITH HIM SO I AM
02:34:16 NOT GOING TO STAY HERE FOREVER.
02:34:21 DESPITE THIS SPARRING BACK AND FORTH, I WANT TO LET MRS.
02:34:25 GRIMES KNOW AND HER TEAM KNOW AND THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT I
02:34:29 PERSONALLY APPRECIATE IT, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATES
02:34:32 ALL THE TIME THAT SHE PUT IN TO NEGOTIATE ALL THESE
02:34:34 DIFFERENT GROUPS.
02:34:36 AND I SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT ON A DAY THE MAYOR PRESENTED HER
02:34:39 VERSION A FEW MONTHS AGO, MRS. GRIMES CONTINUED WITH THE
02:34:43 MAYOR'S DIRECTION, CONTINUED WITH MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY
02:34:46 TO TRY TO MODIFY IT AND MAKE IT BETTER.
02:34:49 I THINK THE TIME THAT WE HAVE ALL TAKEN IN THIS IS GOOD.
02:34:51 I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT SOME THINGS HAVE COME UP IN THE LAST
02:34:54 MINUTE AND THESE ISSUES HAVE ALL BEEN OUT THERE, SOME OF
02:34:56 THEM HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND WE SHOULD HAVE DEALT WITH THEM
02:35:00 EARLIER AND HIT THEM HEAD ON INSTEAD OF DEFERRING THEM
02:35:03 MAYBE.
02:35:03 BUT JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, MRS. GRIMES.
02:35:06 THE BRICK AND REPLACE IS NOT IN THE VERSION WE JUST VOTED
02:35:11 ON, IS THAT CORRECT?
02:35:13 >>GINA GRIMES: IT IS.
02:35:14 THE MOTION THAT MR. DINGFELDER HAS IN HIS HAND, WHICH IS THE
02:35:18 ORDINANCE WITH THE MAY VERSION OF THE CODE, THAT IS
02:35:25 REQUESTED, IT WOULD SUPERSEDE THE 2015 ORDINANCE.
02:35:29 >>BILL CARLSON: I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ALL OF THAT IN
02:35:33 THERE.
02:35:34 >>GINA GRIMES: HOW FAR, AS I SAID, AND I SAID BACK IN
02:35:37 SEPTEMBER THERE, WAS A PowerPoint, I REMEMBER, ALSO
02:35:40 MENTIONED THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND HOW THAT WAS A FOLLOW-UP
02:35:43 ITEM.
02:35:44 THIS ORDINANCE REQUIRES THE MAYOR TO ISSUE AN EXECUTIVE
02:35:48 ORDER AUTHORIZING THIS LEGISLATION DIRECTING THE AFFAIRS OF
02:35:53 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
02:35:55 IT DOES.
02:35:56 IT REQUIRES THAT.
02:35:57 AND SO IF SHE OBJECTS TO THE SEVEN FOUR AS OPPOSED TO THE
02:36:02 FIVE FIVE ONE, THEN THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER WOULD NOT BE
02:36:06 ISSUED, AND THE PROVISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE DEALING WITH
02:36:09 DIRECTING THE AFFAIRS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT BE
02:36:11 EFFECTIVE, THE ORDINANCE NEEDS THAT COMPANION EXECUTIVE
02:36:15 ORDER.
02:36:17 THAT COMPANION EXECUTIVE ORDER ALSO REPLACES AND SUPERSEDES
02:36:21 THE 20150 EXECUTIVE ORDER.
02:36:25 WITH THE COMPROMISE, 2015 IS GONE AND IT'S ALREADY REPLACED
02:36:30 WITH THIS NEW LEGISLATION.
02:36:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO.
02:36:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO BASICALLY WHAT'S HOLDING THIS UP IS
02:36:38 WHO APPOINTS HOW MANY MEMBERS.
02:36:40 THAT'S IT.
02:36:40 OTHER THAN THAT, IT IS CORRECT THAT'S REALLY THE BIG
02:36:43 DIFFERENCE HERE, RIGHT?
02:36:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:36:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING ON CITY
02:36:48 COUNCIL SINCE 2015 WHEN THE BICYCLE ARTICLE CAME OUT AND ALL
02:36:53 THAT, AND I REMEMBER THE QUOTE THAT I SAID, AND IT WAS, IT'S
02:36:58 2015 BUT IT FEELS LIKE 1965.
02:37:00 AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT QUOTE.
02:37:02 FINE.
02:37:03 SO GOING INTO THAT WAS THE CALL TO HAVE THE CITIZENS REVIEW
02:37:07 BOARD, AND I REMEMBER THOSE MEETINGS, I REMEMBER PEOPLE IN
02:37:09 THE PUBLIC SHOUTING DOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE WOULD HAVE
02:37:12 TO TAKE A RECESS.
02:37:13 I REMEMBER MAYOR BUCKHORN PUSHING BACK ON HOW MANY PEOPLE
02:37:18 APPOINT HOW MANY POSITIONS ON THE BOARD.
02:37:20 I REMEMBER HIM CALLING ME.
02:37:22 I WAS IN WEST TAMPA ONE DAY ASKING, WHAT ABOUT THIS, WHAT
02:37:24 ABOUT THAT?
02:37:25 I REMEMBER ONE A I WAS CHANGING BEFORE A NIGHT MEETING AND I
02:37:29 CALLED THE MAYOR TO SEE IF I COULD MEET WITH HIM PERSONALLY
02:37:33 ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND HE WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO TELL ME THAT
02:37:36 MY DOOR IS OPEN IF YOU COME RIGHT OVER.
02:37:38 I HAVE ALWAYS TRADE TO BE A PEACEMAKER, TRY TO FIND THE
02:37:42 MIDDLE GROUND TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, AND I WAS ABLE,
02:37:46 WHETHER IT WAS ME, WHETHER IT WAS OTHER POWERS THAT BE,
02:37:52 MAYOR BUCKHORN MOVED A LITTLE BIT ON HOW MANY APPOINTMENTS
02:37:55 AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BOARD.
02:37:57 SO WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE CREATION OF THE BOARD, BUT FAST
02:38:00 FORWARD TO 2020 UNTIL NOW, SEVEN MEETINGS, SIX MEETINGS,
02:38:05 WITH DIFFERENT CHANGES TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BOARD
02:38:08 AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE MAKEUP AND WHATNOT.
02:38:12 I HAVE OFTEN SAID IT'S OKAY TO BE SCARED, JUST DON'T BE
02:38:15 AFRAID.
02:38:15 AND WHEN IT COMES TO POINTING SEVEN MEMBERS BY CITY COUNCIL
02:38:21 MEMBERS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL SEVEN OF US ARE ENTRUSTED
02:38:24 BY THE PEOPLE AND ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE.
02:38:26 WE MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING RIGHT BECAUSE EACH OF US GOT
02:38:28 ENOUGH VOTES TO BE PUT ON THIS CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE EARNED
02:38:30 THE PUBLIC'S TRUST.
02:38:33 WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING -- I MEAN, WE APPOINT
02:38:37 MEMBERS TO OTHER BOARDS, AND WE APPOINT GOOD PEOPLE BECAUSE
02:38:40 I SEE WHO APPOINTS -- I KNOW MANY OF THEM AND I KNOW DEEP
02:38:45 THOUGHT GOES INTO WHO WE APPOINT TO THESE BOARDS.
02:38:48 WE APPOINT PEOPLE THAT WE TRUST, THAT WE KNOW THE PUBLIC CAN
02:38:51 TRUST.
02:38:51 SO IF THIS IS WHAT'S HOLDING EVERYTHING UP, I MEAN, IT'S
02:38:55 AGAIN, IT'S OKAY TO BE SCARED, JUST DON'T BE AFRAID.
02:38:58 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE DISMANTLED.
02:39:01 THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO FALL APART.
02:39:03 WHAT'S GOING TO CAUSE IT TO FALL APART IS THE CONTINUED
02:39:06 FIGHTING AND DISCUSSION AND BACK AND FORTH AND THE MAYOR AND
02:39:09 THE CITY COUNCIL AND WHATNOT.
02:39:10 I RESPECT THE MAYOR VERY, VERY MUCH.
02:39:12 I THINK SHE DOES A VERY GOOD JOB.
02:39:14 I RESPECT YOU AS CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE ENTIRE LEGAL
02:39:17 DEPARTMENT.
02:39:17 I TRUST WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND I ALSO TRUST WHAT THE
02:39:20 CHARTER HAS TO SAY.
02:39:21 BUT IF THIS IS ALL THAT'S HOLDING US UP, AND WE CAN PUT THIS
02:39:25 TO A CLOSE AND FINAL CONCLUSION TODAY, JUST THE
02:39:30 APPOINTMENTS.
02:39:31 THIS IS SO SIMPLE AND WE CAN PUT THIS TO BED AND MOVE
02:39:33 FORWARD AND THAT'S IT.
02:39:34 AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS THE
02:39:37 MOTION THAT YOU HAVE MADE REGARDING -- THAT'S IT.
02:39:43 NOT TALKING ABOUT SUBPOENA POWERS AND OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
02:39:46 JUST TALKING ABOUT APPOINTMENTS BY CITY COUNCIL.
02:39:47 I THINK IT'S FAIR.
02:39:48 WE HAVE SEVEN ELECTED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE MAYOR.
02:39:51 THE PEOPLE ELECTED US LIKE THAT.
02:39:54 THAT'S HOW IT'S DRAWN UP IN THIS CITY.
02:39:56 WHY CAN'T WE JUST MAKE THOSE SAME APPOINTMENTS ON THIS
02:39:59 BOARD?
02:39:59 I HAVE GRAPPLED, STRUGGLED WITH THIS FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS
02:40:04 TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S SO SCARY ABOUT IT?
02:40:08 SEVEN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS APPOINT SEVEN INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE
02:40:10 ON THIS BOARD.
02:40:11 I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.
02:40:13 I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT WHAT'S SO SCARY ABOUT IT.
02:40:16 SO I WILL STONE THERE.
02:40:17 THANK YOU.
02:40:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN TELL YOU THIS, MR. MANISCALCO, WHAT
02:40:23 IT IS.
02:40:23 IT'S POWER.
02:40:26 POWER.
02:40:27 POWER AND FEAR LIKE YOU SAID
02:40:32 YOU HAVE TO REALIZE HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS.
02:40:38 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOW IT WORKS.
02:40:40 BEEN WITH THE CITY A LONG TIME.
02:40:43 WE WERE ENTRUSTED BY THE PUBLIC.
02:40:45 I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ALL NIGHT LONG.
02:40:47 ON A PHONE CALL I GOT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, THE PHONE
02:40:50 CALLS I GOT FROM ACLU, THOSE PEOPLE.
02:40:56 WE ARE ENTRUSTED TO PUT PEOPLE ON BOARDS WHO WE FEEL CAN DO
02:41:00 A JOB, THE RIGHT JOB.
02:41:07 BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH THE WHOLE ORDINANCE.
02:41:17 WE ARE INTERTWINING ADMINISTRATION ALONG WITH AUTHORITY TO
02:41:22 LEGISLATIVE.
02:41:23 I AM GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO PROBABLY
02:41:25 BITE US DOWN THE ROAD MAYBE LATER ON BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
02:41:28 HAVE A BALANCE OF WHAT IT IS, AND THE SCALE IS NOT BALANCED.
02:41:33 IT'S NOT.
02:41:34 UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES OFF BALANCE.
02:41:35 AND WE HAVE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY.
02:41:40 THE OTHER THINGS WE CAN DEAL WITH ANOTHER TIME DOWN THE
02:41:42 ROAD.
02:41:44 BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IT TO BED, PUT A MOTION ON THE
02:41:47 FLOOR, AND MR. DINGFELDER I BELIEVE WAS SECONDED BY MR.
02:41:51 CARLSON, I BELIEVE, TO MOVE FORWARD.
02:41:59 THE ORIGINAL LAST MOTION, THE 7-4 CHARTER REVIEW BOARD WITH
02:42:05 A 6 TO 1 VOTE LAST TIME.
02:42:07 MR. VIERA, I RECOGNIZE YOUR HAND.
02:42:10 AND THEN I WILL END IT.
02:42:12 >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE AGAIN ON THIS.
02:42:23 THE SAME AS LAST TIME.
02:42:24 WE ARE GOING DOWN A PROCEDURE, AND AGAIN, LET'S -- IT'S
02:42:28 FUNNY THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, OUR FRIEND, INCREASED MY
02:42:32 80% TO 99%.
02:42:34 THAT'S RIGHT, WE AGREE ON 99, 98% WHATEVER IT IS ON THIS
02:42:40 NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE.
02:42:41 THERE IS NO PROPER PROCESS FOR MEMBERS WHO SERVED ON THERE
02:42:44 FOR A VERY LONG TIME, IN TERMS OF REAPPOINTMENT, IN TERMS OF
02:42:48 HAVING A PROPER PROCEDURE FOR THEIR SERVICE.
02:42:51 THAT'S MY OBJECTION.
02:42:53 AND IN ESSENCE WITH THIS ORDINANCE, WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THE
02:42:56 WHOLE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I THINK 100% OF US WOULD EITHER VOTE
02:43:00 FOR A OR B.
02:43:01 WE ARE VOTING ON THIS SPLIT, AND THE ISSUES THAT I AM
02:43:06 TALKING ABOUT.
02:43:07 WE ARE CREATING COMMON GROUND ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, BUT
02:43:11 I FEAR THAT IF WE GET SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO END UP
02:43:14 BEING VETOED OR NOT, IMPLEMENTED, THEN WE ARE GOING TO GIVE
02:43:18 UP THAT 99% THAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THAT 1 OR 5%.
02:43:23 THAT'S MY CONCERN.
02:43:25 BUT AGAIN I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE, I
02:43:28 SUPPORT WITH MOVING FORWARD, BUT AGAIN JUST LIKE I SAID LAST
02:43:32 TIME, I STILL PUT MY SAME RATIONALE IN TERMS OF THE
02:43:35 PROCEDURE OF THE APPOINTMENTS, ET CETERA, THAT I THINK COULD
02:43:38 HAVE CONSEQUENCES THAT THIS VERY COLLEGIAL BODY DOES NOT
02:43:42 INTEND TO HAVE.
02:43:43 THANK YOU.
02:43:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MRS. GRIMES, WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE IF WE
02:43:47 VOTED IN THE NEW APPOINTMENTS?
02:43:52 HOW WOULD THAT WORK?
02:43:56 LET'S CLEAR IT UP FOR ME.
02:44:01 >>GINA GRIMES: IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MAY VERSION?
02:44:04 IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING?
02:44:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:44:07 7-4, 6-1 VOTE.
02:44:12 >>GINA GRIMES: THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE TO STUDY WHETHER OR NOT
02:44:13 SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO USUAL YOU AN EXECUTIVE ORDER
02:44:17 AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTIVES AND REQUIREMENTS IN THAT
02:44:19 VERSION --
02:44:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION, GINA
02:44:24 WITH, ALL DUE RESPECT.
02:44:25 HE'S REFERRING TO LUIS' CONCERN ABOUT HOW THOSE INDIVIDUAL
02:44:29 BOARD MEMBERS GET PICKED.
02:44:31 >>GINA GRIMES: THE WAY THAT IT WOULD BE HANDLED IS
02:44:34 VACANCIES OCCURRED, THE NEW COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS WOULD BE
02:44:37 MADE.
02:44:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS VACANCIES OCCUR.
02:44:43 >>GINA GRIMES: RATE NOW IT'S A 5-4.
02:44:47 5 MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS, 4 COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS.
02:44:51 UNDER THE NEW PROPOSAL, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 7-7-4 BECAUSE
02:44:56 WE CHANGED THE ALTERNATES TO FOUR BOARD MEMBERS SO THERE'S
02:45:01 ELEVEN MEMBERS.
02:45:02 RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY NINE.
02:45:03 SO YOU HAVE TWO MORE APPOINTMENTS THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO
02:45:06 MAKE.
02:45:08 AND AS VACANCIES BECOME OPEN, AS VACANCIES OCCUR, THEN YOU
02:45:12 WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE TWO MORE APPOINTMENTS.
02:45:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DOES THAT SATISFY YOU, MR. VIERA?
02:45:18 >>LUIS VIERA: [OFF MICROPHONE] IT DOESN'T QUITE, I STILL
02:45:24 DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPECIFICITY THERE.
02:45:27 AGAIN, LET'S TAKE A VOTE, MOVE ON.
02:45:29 AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT 90%, 99%, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THRESHOLD.
02:45:36 >>GINA GRIMES: AND THE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO MENTION,
02:45:38 YOU HAVE FOUR BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU CAN APPOINT RIGHT NOW,
02:45:41 AND UNDER THE FIVE FIVE ONE PROPOSAL FROM BACK FROM
02:45:44 FEBRUARY, YOU WOULD STILL GET TWO ADDITIONAL APPOINTMENTS.
02:45:50 YOU WOULD STILL GET TWO ADDITIONAL.
02:45:52 YOU WOULD GET THE NAACP APPOINTMENT AND ONE ADDITIONAL
02:45:56 APPOINTMENT.
02:45:57 SO YOU ARE IN THE VIRTUALLY IN THE SAME POSITION.
02:46:00 IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE OF YOU END UP UNDER THE FEBRUARY
02:46:04 VERSION WITH THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTS, YOU
02:46:08 END UP WITH ONE LESS APPOINTEES.
02:46:14 ONE LESS APPOINTEE.
02:46:15 THAT'S IT.
02:46:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, THEN WE CAN WRAP THIS UP.
02:46:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE LEFT FOR ME AND I AM FINISHED.
02:46:26 WHEN I READ THE ORDINANCE YOU SAID IT COMES OUT THE SAME
02:46:28 WHEN IT'S FIVE FIVE ONE BUT UNITS UNDER THE ORDINANCE THAT'S
02:46:32 PRESENTED HERE FROM WHAT I PERSONALLY READ QUICK, IT'S FOUR
02:46:37 SEVEN.
02:46:37 BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY WHO APPOINT IT IS PERSON
02:46:40 FROM THAN THE NAACP WHICH IS A NECESSITY.
02:46:43 IT DOESN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY, IF IT'S ONE OF THE MAYOR'S OR
02:46:47 ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S.
02:46:50 >>GINA GRIMES: IN THE SEVEN FOUR PROPOSAL IN N I BELIEVE IT
02:46:54 SAYS IT'S UNDER THE MAYOR'S.
02:46:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO THEN THE MAYOR HAS NOT FIVE.
02:47:00 SHE HAS ONE LESS.
02:47:04 >>GINA GRIMES: LET ME DOUBLE CHECK IT.
02:47:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE SEVEN -- THE
02:47:10 WHOLE THING IS THE SEVEN WORDS ON THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH OF D.
02:47:19 THAT'S MY ONLY OBJECTION TO EVERYTHING.
02:47:21 THE SEVEN WORDS ON D AND THE FIRST SENTENCE OF D.
02:47:26 READ THOSE.
02:47:28 >>GINA GRIMES: OF EXHIBIT A?
02:47:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE.
02:47:31 WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT --
02:47:33 >>GINA GRIMES: OH, YES, THE SEPARATION OF POWER?
02:47:36 EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE EXPRESSLY PROVIDED.
02:47:40 YOU HAVE BROAD LEGISLATIVE POWERS EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE
02:47:42 EXPRESSLY PROVIDED AND WITH RESPECT TO THE POLICE
02:47:44 DEPARTMENT, YOU DO NOT HAVE LEGISLATIVE POWER.
02:47:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:47:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I READ, CHARLIE, THIS PROVISION?
02:47:52 DO YOU MIND?
02:47:53 OKAY.
02:47:54 IT SAYS, MOVING D-1, ON THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, IT
02:47:59 SAYS THE CRB SHALL HEREINAFTER CONSIST OF ELEVEN MEMBERS
02:48:02 WITH FOUR VOTING MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, ONE OF
02:48:07 WHICH SHALL BE A MEMBER OF THE NAACP AND SEVEN MEMBERS
02:48:11 APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
02:48:14 >>GINA GRIMES: THAT'S RIGHT.
02:48:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S THE RELEVANT PROVISION THAT IS
02:48:18 THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN -- MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
02:48:21 WHAT'S ON THERE.
02:48:24 >>GINA GRIMES: UNDER THE FEBRUARY PROPOSAL, IT'S FIVE FIVE
02:48:27 ONE.
02:48:29 IT'S REALLY FIVE FOR THE MAYOR, SIX FOR CITY COUNCIL.
02:48:32 SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAY AND FEBRUARY IS ONE APPOINTEE.
02:48:39 ONE APPOINTEE.
02:48:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN RECOGNIZED, MR. CITRO.
02:48:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL NOT FILIBUSTER, I PROMISE.
02:48:47 A YEAR AGO A LIFE WAS LOST.
02:48:50 DID IT NOT HAPPEN IN TAMPA.
02:48:53 HOWEVER, SINCE THAT HORRIBLE DEATH, WE -- AND WHEN I SAY WE,
02:49:02 I MEAN CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THE
02:49:07 POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CHIEF OF STAFF, WE HAVE MADE MAJOR
02:49:14 STRIDES IN CHANGING THE WAY OF POLICING, OF PUBLIC SAFETY,
02:49:22 OF TRANSPARENCY, AND THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS WITH OUR LAW
02:49:29 ENFORCEMENT AND OUR CITIZENS.
02:49:34 NOW, I KNOW THIS COUNCIL HAS HEARD FROM ALL OF THE
02:49:37 CONSTITUENTS.
02:49:38 I KNOW IT'S HEARD FROM PBA.
02:49:40 I KNOW IT'S HEARD FROM THE NAACP.
02:49:43 I KNOW IT'S HEARD FROM LEGAL.
02:49:45 WE HAVE BEEN BARRAGED.
02:49:49 BUT THE ONE GROUP THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T HEARD FROM IS THE
02:49:56 BOARD ITSELF.
02:50:02 WE NOW HAVE A CLAUSE THAT SAYS THIS BOARD WILL REPORT TO US
02:50:11 ANNUALLY AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY MADE THAT STATEMENT.
02:50:14 IN MY OPINION, THE STRIDES THAT WE HAVE MADE OVER THIS YEAR
02:50:22 WILL BE EXAGGERATED WHEN THE BOARD COMES TO US AND SAYS,
02:50:25 HERE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT TO MAKE OUR JOB BETTER.
02:50:31 IF THEY WANT SUBPOENA POWER, LET THEM ASK FOR IT.
02:50:35 WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THIS BODY.
02:50:39 NOW, TO USE A BASEBALL TERM, WE ARE IN THE WARMUP.
02:50:44 WE ARE WARMING UP RIGHT NOW.
02:50:45 WE ARE PITCHING.
02:50:46 WE ARE PITCHING STRIKES.
02:50:49 BUT UNTIL WE TAKE ACTION TODAY AND FACE THE BATTER, WE DON'T
02:50:58 KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO STRIKE THEM OUT OR WALK
02:51:01 THEM.
02:51:02 MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M ASKING THAT WE DO SOMETHING
02:51:06 TODAY.
02:51:10 IF SOME POWERS, WHETHER IT THE POWER OF CITY COUNCIL OR THE
02:51:13 POWER OF THE MAYOR, FORGETS THAT WITH GREAT POWER COMES
02:51:19 GREAT RESPONSIBILITY AND WANTS TO USE THAT POWER TO FIGHT,
02:51:22 ALL DEAL WITH THAT DOWN THE ROAD.
02:51:25 I WANT A DECISION TODAY.
02:51:27 AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TO A DECISION TODAY.
02:51:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S DO IT.
02:51:35 LET'S DO IT.
02:51:35 >> MR. CITRO BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.
02:51:39 I HAVE SPOKEN DIRECTLY TO THE CRB MEMBERS AND I HAVE BEEN
02:51:42 PRESENT AT THEIR MEETINGS TO ADDRESS THEIR QUESTIONS AND
02:51:44 THAT IS A BIG CONCERN FOR THE CRB, THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY
02:51:47 ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT BUT NOT TALKED TO.
02:51:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:51:52 >> URSULA: THAT IS A BIG CONCERN TO THEM.
02:51:55 THEY ARE MOSTLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
02:51:57 TALKED ABOUT BUT ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED THAT NO ONE HAS
02:51:59 REALLY SOUGHT THEIR INPUT OR INFORMATION FROM THEM, SINCE
02:52:02 MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN DOING THE JOBS SINCE 2015.
02:52:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HOPE I CAN -- EXCUSE ME, MR.
02:52:10 DINGFELDER -- THAT I CAN SAY WITHOUT FEAR OF REPRIMAND THAT
02:52:13 THERE ARE A FEW I DO KNOW.
02:52:16 I DIDN'T SPEAK SUBSTANTIVELY TO THEM BUT THEY HAVE CONCERNS.
02:52:21 AND AGAIN, THIS COUNCIL HASN'T SPOKEN TO THEM TO THE BEST OF
02:52:25 MY KNOWLEDGE.
02:52:28 SO WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
02:52:35 AND THEN HEAR BACK FROM THIS BODY THAT WE ARE NOT ONLY GOING
02:52:38 TO HELP APPOINT BUT LISTEN TO ANNUALLY.
02:52:44 LET'S DO THIS.
02:52:46 THANK YOU.
02:52:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE'S BEEN A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
02:52:53 REFERENCE TO THE SEVEN FOUR APPOINTMENTS THAT WAS A 6-1 VOTE
02:52:58 THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL, THAT MR. DINGFELDER PUT ON THE FLOOR,
02:53:02 I BELIEVE MR. MANISCALCO -- CARLSON SECONDED IT.
02:53:07 WE HAVE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSION.
02:53:09 I WILL ASK FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:53:15 MR. DINGFELDER?
02:53:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION FROM MR. DINGFELDER.
02:53:17 QUESTION FOR THE CHAIRMAN, ACTUALLY.
02:53:23 IT'S COUNCIL'S CHOICE AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE AN UP
02:53:26 OR DOWN VOTE AND PUT IT ON FOR FIRST READING.
02:53:29 YOU HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
02:53:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MOTION SAID IT WAS FOR FIRST
02:53:34 READING.
02:53:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE YOU HAVE TO READ
02:53:37 IT BY TITLE.
02:53:37 I APOLOGIZE.
02:53:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM GOING TO PUT MY INITIAL IN THE TOP
02:53:41 CORNER OF THIS DOCUMENT THAT SAYS J, AND I AM GOING TO DO
02:53:45 THE SAME THING ON THE EXHIBIT, BECAUSE APPARENTLY FIVE OR
02:53:50 SIX YEARS AGO THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION.
02:53:55 >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT SAYS AT THE BOTTOM 5-20 DRAFT.
02:54:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 5-20-21.
02:54:04 THANK YOU, MRS. GRIMES.
02:54:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT DATE IS PART OF YOUR MOTION?
02:54:09 FOR FIRST READING?
02:54:11 THAT DATE THAT REPRESENTS WHICH EXHIBIT IS PART OF YOUR
02:54:14 MOTION.
02:54:15 IS THAT CORRECT?
02:54:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHICH VERSION?
02:54:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
02:54:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE VERSION IN MY HAND THAT I JUST
02:54:21 INITIALED --
02:54:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS DATED.
02:54:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND SAYS AT THE BOTTOM CRA CODE SECTION
02:54:26 5-20-21 WITH A LITTLE V.
02:54:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S FINE.
02:54:31 AS LONG AS THE RECORD IS CLEAR.
02:54:32 THANK YOU.
02:54:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: REPORT ALL RIGHT.
02:54:35 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
02:54:37 SUPERSEDING AND REPLACING ORDINANCE 20-2015-121 WHICH
02:54:43 CREATED SECTION 18-8 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA
02:54:47 POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ADOPTING A NEW SECTION 18-8 CREATING
02:54:51 THE CITIZENS POLICE REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE
02:54:54 DEPARTMENT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, REPEALING ALL
02:54:57 ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH,
02:55:00 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:55:00 >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
02:55:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.
02:55:07 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:55:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
02:55:10 >> LUIS VIERA: FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED REASONS LIKE LAST
02:55:12 TIME I SEE THIS AS A NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE IN THE
02:55:15 TRANSITION PERIOD I TALKED ABOUT, PURSUANT TO THAT, VOTE NO
02:55:19 ON THE 1%.
02:55:21 THANK YOU.
02:55:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:55:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
02:55:25 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:55:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:55:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:55:30 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND VIERA VOTING
02:55:33 NO.
02:55:34 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 17th,
02:55:37 2021 AT 9:30 A.M.
02:55:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
02:55:47 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
02:55:49 IT DID TAKE A YEAR BUT THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR DOING THAT.
02:55:51 AND WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE READING, I GUESS.
02:55:54 BUT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, NOT TO GET INTO A LOT OF
02:55:57 DETAILS, BUT MY OLD BOSS FROM SINGAPORE IS TERMINALLY --
02:56:02 TERMINAL CANCER AND IS IN TOWN TO SEE ME FOR A FEW HOURS AND
02:56:06 I REALLY NEED TO GET OUT TO SEE HIM IF YOU DON'T MIND.
02:56:09 IS THERE ANYTHING I NEED TO VOTE ON NOW OR CAN I LEAVE?
02:56:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, TWO POINTS.
02:56:14 JUST HAD A QUESTION.
02:56:15 MADAM CLERK, WHILE IT'S STILL THE FRESH APPRECIATE IN THE
02:56:18 PUBLIC'S AND THE PEOPLE'S MINDS, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
02:56:22 PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN FOR THE RECORD?
02:56:25 >> JUNE 17, 2021 AT 9:30 A.M.
02:56:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CARLSON, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THINK
02:56:32 WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO NOW ON
02:56:35 WHATEVER COUNCIL'S CHOICE IS, AND YOU HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS
02:56:38 WITH REGARD TO THE ISSUE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR THE
02:56:44 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
02:56:46 YOU CAN EITHER MOVE IT TO FEBRUARY AS WAS PREVIOUSLY
02:56:49 DISCUSSED OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY MOVE IT SOONER.
02:56:51 YOU CAN EVEN MOVE IT SOONER THAN WAS DISCUSSED.
02:56:54 OR YOU CANNOT EVEN TAKE UP THE ISSUE AND REMOVE IT FROM THE
02:56:57 AGENDA AND TAKE IT UP AGAIN.
02:56:59 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT TO THE
02:57:01 FEBRUARY WORKSHOP DISCUSSION.
02:57:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
02:57:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY DINGFELDER.
02:57:09 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:57:09 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:57:15 AND I AM SORRY, BEFORE THIS ON THE ATTORNEY ISSUE, I VOICE
02:57:21 SUPPORT FOR THIS FOR MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE, AND WHATNOT.
02:57:25 I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO SEE
02:57:28 WHAT WAY THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT THIS.
02:57:30 I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, I GUESS.
02:57:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:57:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:57:38 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:57:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:57:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:57:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:57:42 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:57:46 >>BILL CARLSON: I AM GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF.
02:57:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN THAT DATE IS WHAT?
02:57:52 >> FOR THE WORKSHOP?
02:57:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
02:57:54 >>THE CLERK: FEBRUARY 24, 2022.
02:58:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
02:58:02 >>THE CLERK: ARE WE GOING TO SET A TIME CERTAIN?
02:58:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE OTHER ISSUE WITH REGARD -- THERE WAS
02:58:10 NO TIME ATTACHED TO IT RIGHT NOW.
02:58:12 IS THAT RIGHT?
02:58:13 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
02:58:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A TIME THE CLERK WOULD RECOMMEND
02:58:15 BASED UPON --
02:58:17 IT WILL BE THE FIRST ITEM SO WE CAN LEAVE IT AT 9 A.M.
02:58:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL BE FINE IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO
02:58:22 THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WHO JUST LEFT.
02:58:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION, YES.
02:58:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED --
02:58:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 9 A.M. ON FEBRUARY 24, 2022.
02:58:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: VOTING?
02:58:47 OKAY.
02:58:56 WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU GOT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
02:59:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 55.
02:59:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LOOKS LIKE MR. CITRO, AND WE HAVE
02:59:07 ALREADY LOST MR. CARLSON.
02:59:08 DO YOU WANT TO DEFER 55?
02:59:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. ROGERO IS ONLINE.
02:59:16 YOU MAY WANT TO INQUIRE --
02:59:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR.
02:59:23 HOW LONG IS YOUR PRESENTATION?
02:59:24 >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT'S ABOUT 20 MINUTES, SIR.
02:59:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANY HARM IN US DEFERRING THIS FOR TWO
02:59:31 WEEKS?
02:59:32 >>DENNIS ROGERO: NO, SIR, IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
02:59:36 WE ARE SCHEDULING ONE ON ONE BRIEFINGS WITH EACH OF YOU.
02:59:39 SOME MAY HAVE ALREADY HIT YOUR CALENDAR.
02:59:43 AGAIN IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION.
02:59:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MOVE TO MOVE THE ITEM FOR TWO WEEKS.
02:59:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
02:59:50 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:59:52 ANY OPPOSED?
02:59:52 >>THE CLERK: WITH THAT CONTINUED TO JUNE 3rd STAFF
02:59:57 REPORTS?
02:59:59 >> YES, SIR.
02:59:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: TIM ARE YOU BACK THERE?
03:00:11 HOPEFULLY NOT ON THE PHONE.
03:00:13 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:00:14 AS I EXPLAINED TO YOU EARLIER, I DO HAVE TO LEAVE.
03:00:19 TIM, I'M SORRY THAT YOU HAD TO WORK TODAY.
03:00:23 THIS HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY BUSY DAY.
03:00:25 I HOPE THAT YOUR BIRTHDAY IS FILLED WITH JOY AND LOVE WITH
03:00:29 YOUR FAMILY TODAY.
03:00:30 AND I WISH YOU THE HAPPIEST OF ALL BIRTHDAYS.
03:00:33 [ APPLAUSE ]
03:00:38 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
03:00:39 I HAVE GOT TO GO.
03:00:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
03:00:42 LET'S GO TO INFORMATION REPORTS.
03:00:45 MR. VIERA, ANYTHING?
03:00:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:00:51 I'M SORRY.
03:00:55 CAN I GO AFTER COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
03:00:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO.
03:01:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING TODAY.
03:01:01 IT WAS A GOOD MEETING, I THINK WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF
03:01:05 OURSELVES FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
03:01:10 THANK YOU.
03:01:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA?
03:01:14 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST REALLY QUICK IF I MAY.
03:01:16 I MOTION AND I WILL PRESENT THIS OFFLINE, CITY COUNCIL
03:01:20 COMMENDATION BE PRESENTED TO CAPPY'S PIZZA FOR THEIR WORK IN
03:01:25 THE COMMUNITY.
03:01:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
03:01:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY VIERA, SECONDED BY DINGFELDER.
03:01:32 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:01:35 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT, MR. JIM CREW IS RETIRED FROM THE CITY
03:01:37 CLERK'S OFFICE AFTER 26 YEARS, SERVICE TO THE CITY.
03:01:41 I MOVE THAT A COMMENDATION BE PRESENTED TO HIM ON MAY
03:01:44 27th.
03:01:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
03:01:48 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:01:49 >>LUIS VIERA: I MOTION TO PRESENT A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
03:01:53 COMMENDATION TO THE JUNIOR LEAGUE OF TAMPA DIAPER BANK WHICH
03:01:57 WILL CELEBRATE THE AMAZING MILESTONE OF DISTRIBUTING 1
03:02:00 MILLION DIAPERS, AN EFFORT OF YEARS AGO, AND I CAN DO THIS
03:02:04 OFF-SITE AS WELL.
03:02:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY VIERA.
03:02:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DIAPERS?
03:02:13 >> DIAPERS AND PIZZA?
03:02:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?
03:02:17 >>LUIS VIERA: THEREAFTER, LAST ONE, I MOTION THAT THE CITY
03:02:22 COUNCIL COMMENDATION BE PRESENTED TO RUTH I RAY WHO IS
03:02:28 RETIRING AFTER 19 YEARS AT HART AND THE COMMENDATION TO BE
03:02:31 PRESENTED OFF-SITE.
03:02:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
03:02:35 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:02:36 >>LUIS VIERA: AND MIKE SUAREZ, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
03:02:45 BY THE WAY, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR A
03:02:48 VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
03:02:50 EVERYBODY WAS VERY CONTRIBUTING, AND WE GOT A LOT OF POINTS
03:02:55 ACROSS, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
03:02:58 THANK YOU, SIR.
03:02:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M GOOD TODAY.
03:03:04 THANK YOU.
03:03:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS PART OF THE CITY'S PREPARATION AND
03:03:07 SUBMISSION OF THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, A PUBLIC HEARING MUST
03:03:10 BE CONDUCTED WITH TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE THE
03:03:13 OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO COMMENT ON THE HOUSING AND
03:03:16 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEEDS FOR THE CITY.
03:03:19 THEREFORE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO INDICATE THE
03:03:23 PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 3rd,
03:03:26 2021, AT WHICH TIME THE DRAFT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA'S ANNUAL
03:03:30 ACTION PLAN WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, AND
03:03:34 A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WITH APPROVAL AND ADOPTION OF FINAL
03:03:37 PLAN BY THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO BE CALENDARED FOR JULY 29,
03:03:41 2021.
03:03:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
03:03:44 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
03:03:47 I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE MOTION.
03:03:49 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CBBG ACTION PLAN.
03:03:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:03:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY?
03:03:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:03:59 I APPRECIATE IT.
03:04:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, WE HAD AN INTENSE MEETING IN
03:04:03 THE SECOND HALF.
03:04:04 SOME FOLKS ARE UNHAPPY.
03:04:07 SOME FOLKS ARE HAPPY.
03:04:10 WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY ALL THE TIME.
03:04:13 WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE ADMINISTRATION
03:04:15 REFERENCE THE VOTE WE MADE.
03:04:19 JUST SIT BACK AND WE SUPPORT GOOD PEOPLE, TO BE IN PLACE AND
03:04:25 DO THINGS FOR THE CITY.
03:04:26 SO I AM HOPING THAT WE ALL COME BACK TO THIS ISSUE, AND
03:04:34 AGAIN, I JUST THANK EVERYBODY FOR GIVING THEIR THOUGHTS.
03:04:39 IT WAS VERY INTENSE TODAY AT SOME POINTS.
03:04:41 BUT I AM GLAD THAT WE SETTLED DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND GOT WHAT
03:04:46 WE NEEDED TO DO.
03:04:47 AGAIN WE ARE HERE TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND POLICE
03:04:49 DEPARTMENT, THE MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND, BUT CERTAIN DECISIONS
03:04:52 HAVE TO BE MADE AT CERTAIN TIMES.
03:04:54 AGAIN, I THANK YOU ALL.
03:04:56 MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
03:04:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
03:04:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY MR.
03:05:00 MANISCALCO.
03:05:01 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:05:02 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
03:05:02 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
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