TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MAY 27, 2021
9:00 A.M.



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09:07:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN, AND GOOD

MORNING TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.

THE MAY 27, 2021 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP WILL COME

TO ORDER.

MR. CITRO, THE INVOCATION.

09:07:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MR. CHAIR.

WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE CHAPLAIN DELIA HARRIS COLEMAN.

SHE HAS BEEN LIVING IN TAMPA FOR 24 YEARS AND STUDIED

WITH THE CATHEDRAL OF FAITH AND HAVE BEEN A CHAPLAIN

AND MINISTER FOR 13 YEARS.

SHE HAS BEEN ENGAGED IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS

FROM HOSTING WORKSHOPS ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO HER

PARTICIPATION IN THE WELLSPRING OUTREACH MINISTRIES.

MISS HARRIS COLEMAN, IF WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE

INVOCATION, AND IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE RISE AND

REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

MISS COLEMAN.

09:08:29 >> WE LOOK TO THE HILLS THIS MORNING WHICH COMETH OUR

HELP AND OUR HELP COME FROM THE LORD.

FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER CHANCE TO WAKE UP THIS

MORNING AND PRAISE YOU.

WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR MANY BLESSINGS YOU HAVE

BESTOWED UPON US.

WE REALIZE WITH YOU WE CAN DO ALL THINGS BUT WITHOUT

YOU, WE CAN DO NOTHING.

FATHER, WE COME THIS MORNING PRAYING AND GIVING HONOR

AND GLORY TO YOU.

AND AS THE CITY COUNCIL COME TO MEET, LORD, WE ASK TO

YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM, SHOW THEM HOW TO STRATEGIZE AND

TO COME TOGETHER FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITY.

AND AS THEY WORK TOGETHER, LET US ALL WORK TOGETHER TO

BUILD UP OUR CITY, NOT TO TEAR IT DOWN.

AND FATHER, WE ASK YOU FOR GUIDANCE THIS MORNING.

WE ASK YOU FOR PEACE.

WE ASK YOU FOR YOUR JOY THIS MORNING.

FATHER, ANYBODY OF THE SOUND OF MY VOICE HAVING ISSUE

IN THE BODY, WE ASK FOR HEALING TODAY.

WE ASK FOR, LORD, WE ASK FOR PEACE TODAY.

FATHER, WE KNOW WE HAVE WENT THROUGH A LOT WITH THE

COVID AND STILL TRUST IN YOU AND WE KNOW THAT ALL

THINGS ARE WORKING TO THE GOOD.

MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT.

MAY NOT FEEL LIKE IT.

BUT WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL.

AND FATHER, AS THE TIME WINDS DOWN, FATHER, WE ASK YOU,

LORD JESUS, TO GIVE US A PLACE IN YOUR KINGDOM THAT WE

MAY SERVE YOU FOREVERMORE IN JESUS'S NAME, AMEN.

09:09:50 >> AMEN.

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

09:10:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I

WILL TAKE A FEW SECONDS TO GO DOWNSTAIRS.

09:10:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.

MADAM CLERK, ROLL CALL PLEASE.

09:10:11 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.

09:10:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.

09:10:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER ADVISED HE WILL BE A

FEW MINUTES LATE.

09:10:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.

09:10:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.

09:10:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.

09:10:27 >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

09:10:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

GO TO CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AND PRESENTATIONS.

MR. CITRO IS GOING DOWN FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR POLICE

OFFICER OF THE MONTH.

09:10:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO

MAKE MY STATEMENT.

09:10:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL DO LIKE WE DO

IN THE FUTURE, MR. SHELBY.

BUT MAKE THE STATEMENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

09:10:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF CITY

COUNCIL, MARTIN SHELBY, THURSDAY MAY 27, 2021.

AND AT OLD CITY HALL DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF

EMERGENCY.

THIS WORKSHOP OF CITY COUNCIL IS CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE

IN-PERSON QUORUM PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

BUT WITH RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS MEMBERS

OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY

THROUGH VIDEO CONFERENCING AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA

TECHNOLOGY AS CMT.

THESE MEETINGS ARE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE

EMERGENCY RULES OF PROCEDURES AS ADOPTED BY CITY

COUNCIL IN 2020-225 AND AMENDED BY RESOLUTION 2020-490

AND RESOLUTION NUMBER 2021-241.

THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE

ABLE TO WATCH THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640,

FRONTIER CHANNEL 15, AND LIVE ON THE INTERNET AT

TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.

NOW PEOPLE HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE

IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING BY SENDING WRITTEN COMMENTS OR

-- OR ON THE WEB BY E-MAIL, BY U.S. MAIL, AND THOSE

INSTRUCTIONS, COUNCIL, ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON

THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.

ONE WORD.

TODAY, PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PHONE IN AND SPEAK PUBLIC

COMMENT THAT WAY BY REREGISTERING AND ALSO THEY CAN USE

CMT AND, AGAIN, THOSE ARE -- THOSE INSTRUCTIONS FOR

REREGISTERING ARE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB

PAGE.

THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A

COMMUNICATION MEDIA DEVICE, THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF

COMING HERE TO OLD CITY HALL, WHERE ON THE SECOND

FLOOR, THE CITY HAS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC DURING

THESE MEETINGS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.

THAT IS 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD, OLD CITY HALL, AGAIN,

ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

PLEASE NOTE THAT USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING

INSIDE THE BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED.

NOW ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE

SUBMITTED AND, AGAIN, ARE DISTRIBUTED TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND, AGAIN, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE

PROCESS THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE.

THANK YOU.

09:13:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.

ITEM NUMBER 1, CEREMONIALS.

COMMENDATION OF THE MONTH.

MR. CITRO IS DOWNSTAIRS NOW.

09:13:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

I AM GLAD WE ARE GETTING BACK TO OUR HONORING OUR

POLICE OFFICERS OF THE MONTH AND OUR FIRE FIGHTERS OF

THE QUARTER.

TODAY, WE ARE GOING TO HONOR CORPORAL STEVEN HOGAN.

HE IS WITH ME RIGHT NOW.

ALSO, THE CHIEF IS HERE.

AND I AM GOING TO ASK THE CHIEF TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS

OFFICER DESERVES THIS COMMENDATION, CHIEF.

09:13:43 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

IT IS MY HONOR TO PRESENT TO YOU CORPORAL STEVE HOGAN

WHO IS HERE AS OUR OFFICER OF THE MONTH.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT VIOLENT CRIME HAS TICKED UP A

LITTLE BIT ACROSS THE NATION.

CORPORAL STEVE HOGAN HAS ACTUALLY MADE IT A POINT TO

MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN REDUCING VIOLENT CRIME IN

OUR COMMUNITY.

CORPORAL HOGAN IS A SAC OFFICER, A STREET ANTI-CRIMES

OFFICER IN DISTRICT ONE.

AND HE HAS SIX YEARS ON THE DEPARTMENT.

AND JUST IN THE MONTH OF MARCH, HE RECOVERED OVER SIX

FIREARMS OFF THE STREET IN DISTRICT ONE.

I WILL HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW OF THE INCIDENTS THAT THIS

HAPPENED.

SO ON MARCH 12, HE DID A TRAFFIC STOP AT THE GANDY AND

HIMES, SAW DRUG USE IN THE VEHICLE.

AND MADE AN ARREST AND RECOVERED A FIREARM OFF THE

VEHICLE.

ON THE 18TH OF MARCH, HE WAS DOING SURVEILLANCE IN THE

AREA OF COLUMBUS COURT APARTMENTS WHICH HAD SEEN AN

INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME.

THROUGH AN INVESTIGATION, HE WAS ABLE TO RECOVER A

FIREARM WHICH WAS REPORTED STOLEN IN NORTH PORT,

FLORIDA.

ON THE 26TH, CORPORAL HOGAN CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STOP IN

THE OAKHURST APARTMENTS.

HE OBSERVED A DRIVER ACTING SUSPICIOUS AND THROUGH HIS

INVESTIGATION, HE WAS ABLE TO RECOVER A FIREARM IN THAT

CASE AS WELL.

ON MARCH 27, HE SAW SEVERAL VEHICLES THAT WERE PARKED

SUSPICIOUSLY AND HE ALSO NOTICED NARCOTICS IN THE

VEHICLE.

THROUGH THAT INVESTIGATION, NOT ONLY WAS HE ABLE TO

RECOVER A LARGE AMOUNT OF NARCOTICS BUT RECOVERED TWO

FIREARMS OUT OF THAT VEHICLE.

AGAIN, ON SAME DAY, ANOTHER TRAFFIC STOP OCCURRED ON AN

UNREGISTERED VEHICLE.

AND IN THAT VEHICLE, HE ALSO RECOVERED A SIGNIFICANT

OUNT OF NARCOTICS AND ANOTHER FIREARM.

IT IS FOR THIS OUTSTANDING WORK AND DEDICATION THAT

CORPORAL HOGAN WAS NAMED OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR APRIL

2021.

09:15:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT MAY BE

LISTENING ON TELEVISION, YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS

MANY, MANY TIMES, IF YOU WANT TO JUST SCRATCH THE

SURFACE OF WHAT THIS OFFICER DOES, OF WHAT ALL THE

BRAVE WOMEN AND MEN OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT DO,

WHEN WE OPEN THE POLICE ACADEMY.

PLEASE GO.

FIND OUT WHAT THEIR DAILY LIVES ARE LIKE.

I ALSO -- CORPORAL HOGAN, I MENTIONED YOUR LOVELY WIFE.

AND SHE IS ONE OF THE TRUE HEROES.

AS ARE ALWAYS THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF OUR POLICE

OFFICERS.

THIS WOMAN MARRIED THIS MAN KNOWING THAT HE IS GIVING

HIS CAREER, GIVING HIS LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA,

BUT SHE IS ALSO A HERO.

SHE KNOWS WHAT HE HAS TO DO.

AND I THANK YOU FOR BEING THAT TYPE OF HERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BECAUSE OF YOUR DEDICATION TO SERVICE, CORPORAL,

COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE

CALL OF DUTY, YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN FOR THIS MARK OF

DISTINCTION OF OFFICER OF THE MONTH.

THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, YOUR PEERS AND SUPERVISORS

RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING ETHIC AND DEDICATION

TO KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

WE COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PROFESSIONALISM, EXCUSE ME,

FAIRNESS, AND LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE.

IT IS AN HONOR TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO

PRESENT CORPORAL STEVEN HOGAN WITH IN COMMENDATION ON

MAY 27, 2021.

CORPORAL, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, SIR.

[APPLAUSE]

NOW YOU ARE GOING TO STAND HERE -- YOU ARE GOING TO

STAND HERE AND RECEIVE ACCOLADES FROM SOME PEOPLE FROM

THE COMMUNITY.

YOU JUST SIT BACK AND RELAX.

AND WE NORMALLY HAND THEM OFF TO -- TO THE UNION BUT

YOUR WIFE IS HERE.

GIVE HER ALL -- GIVE HER ALL THE GOOD STUFF.

09:18:06 >> ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

09:18:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
UNION IS UP FIRST.

09:18:13 >> WE HAVE HELD ALL OF THAT FOR YOU.

IT IS A LOT OF STUFF.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN.

DARLA PORTMAN WITH THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION.

VICE PRESIDENT JIMMY OWENS IS HERE AND PRESENT STEVE

HOGAN WITH A FEW THINGS THAT WE HAVE.

AN OFFICER IN D1 THAT MADE THIS PLAQUE FOR HIM.

STEVE, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH YOU SIX YEARS

AGO, AND I KNOW HOW PROACTIVE AND THOROUGH YOU ARE AS

AN INVESTIGATOR AND NO SURPRISE TOO ME THAT YOU ARE

HERE.

YOU ARE A GREAT MEMBER OF THE UNION AND WE WANT TO GIVE

YOU BEING FROM BUSCH GARDENS.

SERGEANT CAN'T BE HERE FROM BUSCH GARDENS AND WILL GIVE

YOUR FAMILY TICKETS TO BUSCH GARDENS.

WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE.

09:18:57 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU.

09:19:03 >> CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL-DONE.

WE ARE WITH STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT WITH YOU A $50 GIFT CARD AND A

NIGHT OUT IN OUR COMPANY LIMOUSINE.

THIS WILL BE THE FIRST LIMOUSINE CERTIFICATE THAT WE

HAVE GIVEN OUT SINCE COVID STARTED.

SO WE HOPE YOU GUYS CAN ENJOY IT WITH YOU AND 18 OF

YOUR FRIENDS AND HAVE A NIGHT OUT ON US.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

09:19:36 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU.

09:19:37 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

I WOULD GIVE YOU A CAR, BUT IT IS A VEHICLE THAT IS

SMALL.

AND HE COULDN'T GET ALL OF YOU, BUT A NICE DINNER OF

FOUR FOR THE TWO OF YOU.

IF YOU HAVE KIDS, IF YOU DON'T, GIVE TO YOUR

GRANDPARENTS.

BUT REALLY APPRECIATE YOU.

YOU DO SO MUCH AND THE SACRIFICE FOR HIS LONG DAYS AS

WELL.

AND WE GIVE A LOT BACK TO OUR TPD FAMILY.

SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:20:02 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

09:20:15 >> CORPORAL HOGAN, WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.

ON BEHALF OF OUR FOOTBALL TEAM AND OUR ORGANIZATION,

WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU.

I HAVE BEEN WITH THE RESERVE NOW -- FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT

FOR OVER 35 YEARS.

PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT REALLY MAKES OUR CITY SIGN.

ON BEHALF THE BOSS AND ALL OF US, I WANT TO GIVE YOU

THIS AS A TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION AND HOPEFULLY

WHENEVER WE GET BACK TO LITTLE BIT MORE -- WE ARE

ALMOST THERE INVITE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY TO GIVE YOU A

FULL TOUR AND INDIANA INVITE YOU FOR LUNCH.

09:20:51 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
YOU ARE VERY KIND, THANK YOU.

09:20:53 >> CONGRATULATIONS, MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

09:21:03 >> GOOD MORNING, MARY LOU BAILEY HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO

TAMPA.

I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND SO THANKFUL FOR

YOUR SERVICE AND FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AND WE ARE GIVING YOU AN ANNUAL PASS TO THE ZOO AS A

FAMILY MEMBERSHIP.

AND IT IS A GIFT FROM THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO

RECOGNIZE YOUR -- YOUR GIFT TO US IN YOUR SERVICE.

IT IS AWESOME.

I HAVE BEEN TO THAT CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY AND I HAVE

A LITTLE GLIMPSE OF YOUR LIFE.

IT IS AMAZING WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

WE LOVE THE POLICE.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.

09:21:34 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU, MY CHILDREN WILL LOVE

THIS.

09:21:36 >> AND YOU WILL TOO.

IT IS VERY COOL.

09:21:39 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
OF COURSE.

09:21:42 >> HAVE A GOODS TIME.

09:21:44 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

MICHAEL KILGORE WITH THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT GROUP.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU TO DO KEEP US SAFE.

TAKE THAT LIMO TO OUR NEWEST RESTAURANTS STEFANO IN

YBOR CITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:22:03 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU.

09:22:05 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

GOOD MORNING.

ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE, WANT TO GIVE YOU THE GIFT

OF A MEMBERSHIP.

WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE IN OUR COMMUNITY

AND THIS WILL GIVE YOU FREE TICKETS TO TAMPA THEATRE,

DISCOUNT ON TICKETS, DISCOUNT POPCORN, TOUR TO THE

THEATRE AND CAN BE FOR THE KIDS.

09:22:29 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:22:30 >> THANK YOU.

09:22:30 >> THANK YOU.

09:22:36 >> THANK YOU.

09:22:39 >> GOOD MORNING, CORPORAL.

STEVE MICHELINI.

I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LOUD HERE, BUT I WANTED TO

-- I THINK I WILL WAIT FOR THE FEEDBACK TO STOP.

DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC CRISIS, THE YMCA PROVIDED

FREE DAY CARE TO FIRST RESPONDERS, AND THEY ARE ALSO

PROVIDING A GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR YOU TO ENJOY A

MEMBERSHIP AT THE Y FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

THESE TWO RESTAURANTS ALSO PROVIDED MEALS TO FIRST

RESPONDERS THROUGHOUT THE -- ALMOST TEN WEEKS WHEN THE

SHUTDOWN OCCURRED.

AND THEY PROVIDED THAT AT NO COST TO THE FIRST

RESPONDERS.

THEY ENDED UP DELIVERING 10,000 MEALS DURING THAT

PERIODS OF TIME.

AND WE ARE ALSO PROVIDING -- FROM CICCO'S RESTAURANT

GROUP A GIFT CERTIFICATE AND YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO.

AND PORTRAITS AT PRESTIGE PORTRAITS.

THANK YOU, SIR, VERY MUCH.

09:23:42 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT.

09:23:49 >> CORPORAL, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE STRAZ CENTER

COULD NOT BE HERE.

YOU HAVE RECEIVED TICKETS FROM THE STRAZ CENTER TO SEE

A SHOW, THE JOBSITE THEATRE, SHOUT, THE MUSICAL AND DR.

RIDE.

EVERY TIME I HAVE GONE THERE, I HAVE ENJOYED MYSELF.

PLEASE TAKE YOUR WIFE AND ENJOY YOURSELF.

CORPORATE, BEFORE YOU GET A CHANCE TO SAY ANYTHING,

COUNCILMEMBERS, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SAY THINKING TO

CORPORAL.

09:24:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:24:18 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

CORPORAL, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY

AND OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THAT INCLUDES OUR POLICE OFFICERS

AND OUR FIRE FIGHTERS AND EMERGENCY PERSONNEL, REALLY

REPRESENT THE BEST IN US.

I AM SO GLAD YOUR WIFE IS HERE.

I KNOW SHE IS SO PROUD OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

I AM SURE SHE SEES YOU GO EVERY DAY TO WORK, AND SHE

SENDS YOU OFF TO A JOB THAT IS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.

A VERY, VERY DANGEROUS JOB, BUT A VERY, A VERY CRITICAL

JOB AND MY HOPE AND MY PRAYER, CORPORAL, THAT WE JUST,

NOT JUST HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT EVERYWHERE, CAN

SHOW OUR APPRECIATION TO MEN AND WOMEN LIKE YOU AND

YOUR FAMILIES FOR WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY.

THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.

09:25:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.

I SEE YOUR LIGHT ON.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:25:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU ARE A FACE OF EVERY POLICE

OFFICER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

MALE AND FEMALE.

THE FACE OF EVERY CITIZEN AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY WANT TO

THANK YOU FOR YOU AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE TAMPA POLICE

DEPARTMENT DOES DAY IN AND DAY OUT 365 DAYS OF THE

YEAR.

THE CAREER THAT SUFFICIENT A VERY DIFFICULT ONE AND WE

HONOR YOU FOR THE SACRIFICES THAT EVERYONE MAKES TO

MAKE TAMPA THE CITY THAT IT IS.

WITHOUT A CITY THAT HAS A LEVEL OF CIVILITY AND

REDUCTION IN CRIME TO SOME DEGREE IS A CITY NOT GROWING

AT ALL.

NO ONE WANTS TO MOVE TO A CITY THAT IS DIVIDED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO.

09:25:47 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU, SIR.

09:25:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:25:52 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ECHO THE GREAT THINGS THAT

EVERYONE HAS SAID.

THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR SACRIFICE AND

COMMITMENT.

I AM UNFORTUNATELY OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER A TIME WHEN

WE IN THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T FEEL AS SAFE AND WE ARE ALL

VERY THANKFUL FOR ALL THAT YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES TO

DO KEEP US SAFE.

AND JUST WANT TO SAY WE ALL THINK ABOUT YOU AND PRAY

FOR YOU THAT YOU ALL STAY SAFE AND COME BACK TO YOUR

FAMILIES.

THANK YOU.

09:26:16 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU.

09:26:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO.

I CAN'T SEE -- DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SIR?

09:26:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I APPRECIATE YOU AND THE SACRIFICE

YOU MAKE PUTTING ON THAT UNIFORM EACH AND EVERY DAY AND

THE CITY OF TAMPA.

WE ARE VERY PROUD OF YOUR SERVICE.

I LOOKED OVER, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU RECEIVED THE OFFICER

OF THE MONTH.

AND YOU KNOW PARTS ARE IN MY DISTRICT.

AND AREAS THAT WE GET CALLS FOR, YOU KNOW, OF INCREASES

IN CRIME AND WHAT NOT.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ANSWER TO THOSE CALLS AND

RESPOND TO THE NEEDS AND REQUESTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:26:52 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
THANK YOU.

09:26:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. CITRO, I KNOW YOU ARE THE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC

SAFETY AND DO AN EXCELLENT JOB.

OFFICER, I HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN BEFORE, SO I

KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND.

WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY.

I GOT THIS ACCOLADE.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE JOB YOU HAVE DONE.

THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU

DO DO.

IF WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, SIR.

09:27:20 >>CORPORAL HOGAN:
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU

FOR THE RECOGNITION TODAY.

THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL FOR THE RECOGNITION.

IT IS VERY HUMBLING, BUT WITH THAT SAID, THIS IS NOT MY

WORK ALONE.

I COULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT FIRST MY WIFE,

DANIELLE.

SHE TAKES CARE OF OUR FOUR-YEAR-OLD AND OUR

TWO-YEAR-OLD, AND WITHOUT HER SUPPORT AND HER STEADFAST

DEVOTION TO OUR FAMILY AND OUR KIDS I COULDN'T GO OUT

THERE EVERY DAY AND DO WHAT I DO.

AND TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM THE WAY THAT I DO.

BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT I

WORK WITH ON MY SQUAD.

EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE READ TODAY ON THAT PAPER OR

WAS SAID, I DIDN'T DO ALONE.

I WORKED WITH THE GREAT MEN AND WOMEN OF THE TAMPA

POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THEY COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY AND ARE

NOT GETTING THE RECOGNITION THAT THEY DESERVE AS WELL.

I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THEM, STREET ANTI-CRIME SQUAD 131.

AND THANK MY SUPERVISION, SERGEANT MANNY CEVINA AND THE

MAJOR, MAJOR DEFELISE THAT WAS JUST HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR PUTTING THE TRUST --

[ LAUGHTER ]

-- I AM A NEW CORPORAL.

I HAVE BEEN A CORPORAL FOR SEVEN MONTHS NOW AND LIKE TO

THANK THEM FOR PUTTING THE TRUST IN ME.

GIVING ME THE CAPABILITY AND THE -- AND THE ABILITY TO

DO AND GO OUT THERE AND WORK AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS

OF TAMPA AND REALLY TAKE THE DANGEROUS CRIMINALS OFF

THE STREET.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU TO MY FAMILY, THOSE I WORK WITH

IN THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT AND SAYING KIND WORDS

AND DOING FAR TOO MUCH FOR ME.

I APPRECIATE IT.

09:28:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. CITRO.

09:29:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CORPORAL, THANK YOU.

CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ASK SO MUCH.

I AM GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU

DID TODAY.

CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, MY BROTHER.

CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

MR. CHAIR, GIVE ME ONE SECOND, PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

09:29:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER TWO, FIRE FIGHTER OF THE

QUARTER.

09:30:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COME ON IN HERE THEN.

MR. CHAIR.

09:30:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.

09:30:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY PLEASURE -- FIRST, LET ME SAY, WE HAVE GOT HAND AND

GLOVE.

WE HAVE THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT KEEP US SAFE

FROM CRIME.

THEN WE HAVE GOT THE GLOVE OF THE BRAVE WOMEN AND MEN

OF OUR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.

AND THIS KEEPS US ALL SAFE.

WHEN WE HAVE EMERGENCIES, WHO DO WE CALL?

WHEN WE HAVE FIRES, WHO DO WE CALL?

SO IT IS MY HONOR TODAY TO INTRODUCE TO YOU OUR FIRE

FIGHTER OF THE QUARTER, CAPTAIN ROBERT THOMAS.

AND NOW CHIEF IS GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS CAPTAIN IS

DESERVED OF FIRE FIGHTER OF THE QUARTER.

CHIEF?

09:31:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CHIEF, BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR BIG YELLOW BUTTON AND MR. GRECO HAS

HIS AND MR. SHELBY WAS TRYING TO GET ONE.

RUSTLE UP A FEW SO PEOPLE KNOW WE ARE VACCINATED.

09:31:16 >>CHIEF TRIPP:
WE WILL MAKE SURE.

INTERIM FIRE CHIEF BARBARA TRIPP HERE TODAY.

I WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE MR. -- OR CAPTAIN

ROBERT THOMAS SELECTED AS FIRE FIGHTER OF THE QUARTER

FOR THE SECOND QUARTER.

CAPTAIN ROBERT THOMAS IS A 25-YEAR VETERAN WITH TAMPA

FIRE RESCUE.

OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER, HE HAS RISEN THROUGH THE

RANKS OF FIRE FIGHTER, PARAMEDIC, LIEUTENANT AND

CAPTAIN.

HE IS A TECHNICIAN, MARINE OPERATION, WHICH IS FLORIDA

SEARCH AND RESCUE ROPE TECHNICIAN AND VEHICLE AND

RESCUE TECHNICIAN.

A STATE CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR AND LIVE FIRE TRAINING

INSTRUCTOR.

UNLIKE MOST WITH ONLY A FEW YEARS REMAINING IN HIS

CAREER, HE USE HIS EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION TO MENTOR

AND ADVANCE OUR ORGANIZATION AND TEACHING NEW RECRUITS

OR LESS EXPERIENCED LEADERS, HE NEVER MISSES THE

OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THOSE IN HIS COMPANY AND

COMMAND ARE BETTER PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE WITH TAMPA

FIRE RESCUE.

MOST RECENTLY HE AND HIS ENTIRE CREW USED THEIR

PERSONAL TIME COMPLETE A TRAINING PROGRAM OVER THE

COURSE OF TWO WEEKS TO BE VEHICLE AND MACHINERY RESCUE

TECHNICIAN, ENHANCING THE PROFICIENCY WHICH FIRE

FIGHTERS OPERATE DURING TECHNICAL RESCUE INCIDENTS.

TRUCK 21 B IS WHERE CAPTAIN ROBERT THOMAS IS.

HE IS CURRENTLY THE ONLY TRUCK COMPANY IN THE CITY OF

TAMPA WHERE EVERY MEMBER HOLDS THIS CERTIFICATION.

THIS IS A TESTAMENT TO CAPTAIN'S LEADERSHIP AND

PASSION.

ALTHOUGH HE HAD AN ENTIRE CAREER DEDICATED TO IMPROVING

OUR ORGANIZATION, IT IS DUE TO THE COUNTLESS HOURS HE

HAS VOLUNTEERED TO DEVELOP TRUCK COMPANY OPERATIONS

TRAINING FOR HIS ABILITY TO MENTOR AND EMPOWER HIS

FELLOW FIRE FIGHTERS AND HIS PASSION FOR HELPING OTHERS

IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT BEING SAID, CAPTAIN ROBERT THOMAS HAS BEEN

SELECTED AS FIRE FIGHTER OF THE QUARTER FOR TAMPA FIRE

RESCUE.

09:33:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.

CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO PRAISE THIS FIRE FIGHTER

FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT HE HAS DONE BY GIVING HIM

IN COMMENDATION.

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, YOUR PEERS, YOUR SUPERIORS COMMEND

YOU FOR THE DEDICATION TO SERVICE, COMMITMENT TO

EXCELLENCE AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY.

YOU HAVE BEEN SELECTED FOR THIS DISTINCTION AS FIRE

FIGHTER OF THE QUARTER.

WE RECOGNIZE YOUR LEADERSHIP, YOUR ABILITY TO MENTOR,

AND EMPOWER OTHERS.

WITH YOUR 25 DEDICATED YEARS OF SERVICE OF TAMPA FIRE

RESCUE.

IT IS WITH PLEASURE THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENT

CAPTAIN ROBERT ROBBIE THOMAS WITH THIS COMMENDATION ON

THE 27TH DAY OF MAY, 2021.

09:34:20 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:34:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CONGRATULATIONS.

NOW YOU ARE GOING TO STAND HERE AND RECEIVE ALL THESE

WONDERFUL ACCOLADES.

DON'T MOVE.

09:34:32 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
I CAN DO THAT.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING THIS

IN-PERSON MEETING AND BEEN A WHILE AND WE ARE GLAD TO

GET BACK TO IT.

ORIN HANSON, CHIEF OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND THE

CHAIRMAN OF THE AWARDS REVIEW BOARD.

ON BEHALF OF THE AWARDS REVIEW BOARD CONGRATULATE

CAPTAIN ROBERT THOMAS FOR HIS SELECTION AS THE FIRE

FIGHTER OF THE QUARTER.

ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I HAVE KNOWN

CAPTAIN THOMAS 10 YEARS AND I WAS A DRIVER AT ONE

POINT.

AND SPENT A FEW GOOD YEARS THERE.

HAD A GREAT CREW THERE AND A GOOD TIME AND A LEADER

WORTHY OF THIS RECOGNITION.

ON BEHALF OF THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS

AND THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

09:35:18 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

GOOD MORNING, ROBBIE AND CHIEF.

I AM JOE GRECO, THE PRESIDENT OF TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS

74.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE CAPTAIN THOMAS FOR ALL HIS

DEDICATION AND YEARS OF SERVICE AND HIS IMMENSE SKILLS

ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THIS PLAQUE IS TO RECOGNIZE HIM FOR FIRE FIGHTER OF THE

QUARTER, SECOND QUARTER OF 2021.

WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE AND, OF

COURSE, ALL THE GREAT SKILLS YOU HAVE ON THE TRUCK AND

WHATNOT.

09:35:49 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU.

09:35:51 >> ALSO A THING FROM BUSCH GARDENS.

PETE BREVY, THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU PASSES TO BUSCH

GARDEN AND FROM THE UNION -- ALTHOUGH MATT DIDN'T GIVE

IT TO ME -- SOME CARDS FOR YOU.

09:36:03 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU.

09:36:08 >> THANK YOU, ROB.

09:36:13 >> GOOD MORNING I AM MARY LOU BAILEY ON BEHALF OF ZOO

TAMPA.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AWESOME THAT YOUR STORY -- I REALLY LOVE THE FOCUS ON

MENTORING AND TEACHING WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED TO OTHERS

AND INSPIRING THEM TO LEAD AS YOU BECOME A LEADER.

ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT WHO WILL VEER

AT ZOO TAMPA PROVIDING WITH YOU A FAMILY MEMBERSHIP OF

ZOO TAMPA FOR A YEAR AND BRING FRIENDS WITH YOU.

A FEW FRIENDS INVOLVED IN THE CARD, AND YOU CAN GO TO

SOME OF OUR ANNUAL EVENTS FOR FREE LIKE CHRISTMAS IN

THE WILD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO ENJOY IT.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.

09:36:47 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:36:48 >> GOOD MORNING.

09:36:49 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
GOOD MORNING.

09:36:53 >> MICHAEL KILGORE WITH THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT GROUP

AND THE GONZMART FAMILY.

A GIFT CARD TO RESTAURANT IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.

YOU MAY BE GETTING A RIDE THERE SOON.

09:37:08 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:37:11 >> CAPTAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.

ON BEHALF OF STEPP'S TOWING, MIKE MCARTHUR CHRISTIE.

WE KNOW HOW STRONG THE BOND, FAMILY AND BROTHERHOOD OF

THE FIREHOOD FIREMEN.

WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO BE A PART OF THAT.

SUPPORT YOU RAIN OR SHINE.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

ON BEHALF OF STEPP'S TOWING, $50 GIFT CARD AND NIGHT

OUT ON OUR COMPANY LIMOUSINE.

YOU ENJOY IT.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.

09:37:55 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU.

09:38:00 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, DUSTIN PORTILLA WITH

MCDONALD'S.

AND THE 4,000 EMPLOYEES OF TAMPA AND JACKSONVILLE, WE

HEAR OF FIRE FIGHTERS RESCUING CATS FROM TREES AND WE

READ THOSE IN BOOKS AND PEOPLE STUCK IN THEIR BATHTUBS

BUT DON'T SEE THE REAL WORK THAT YOU ALL DO.

IT IS REALLY GREAT EVERY SINGLE QUARTER TO GET THAT

LITTLE BIO ABOUT WHAT YOU DO AND HOW SIGNIFICANT OF A

ROLE YOU PLAY WITHIN THE FIRE INDUSTRY.

AND SO -- WELL, HOPEFULLY ISN'T A FIRE INDUSTRY.

HOPEFULLY YOU ARE PUTTING OUT THE FIRES.

AND REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU SO MUCH

AND CULTIVATING A PRETTY GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH CHIEF

HANSON AND HOPEFULLY DO A LOT MORE WITH YOU ALL.

A LITTLE GOODY BAG OF MINT GOODIES, DINNER FOR FOUR AND

OTHER GREAT STUFF.

SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:38:46 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU.

09:38:50 >> APPRECIATE YOU.

09:38:51 >> GOOD MORNING.

ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS, CAPTAIN, AND

MYSELF, AND THE DEPARTMENT AND PART OF YOUR FAMILY FOR

THE LAST 35 YEARS, THANK YOU FOR THE SACRIFICE THAT YOU

HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS TO PROVE YOURSELF.

OBVIOUSLY WORTHY.

I AM LEAVING YOU MY BUSINESS CARD BECAUSE WE COULDN'T

GET ALL YOUR ACCOLADES PUT IN THE BOWL FAST ENOUGH,

BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY

SENDING YOU AN HONORARY BALL FROM ALL OF OUR TEAM.

CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US

TO COME UP AND SHOW YOU APPRECIATION.

09:39:26 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:39:31 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

09:39:34 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

TAMPA THEATRE.

CAPTAIN, ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE, I AM HONORED TO BE

HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU A GIFT OF A MEMBERSHIP TO COME

AND VISIT US ON FRANKLIN STREET.

WE JUST ANNOUNCED OUR SUMMER CLASSIC SERIES WITH FREE

TICKETS, DISCOUNT ON POPCORN AND FREE TOURS.

CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE

IN OUR COMMUNITY.

09:40:00 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU.

09:40:02 >> GOOD MORNING, SIR.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION, WILL YOU LET ORIN DRIVE THE TRUCK?

09:40:07 >> I DID.

09:40:09 >> WELL, I GUESS WE ARE OKAY.

YOU SURVIVED.

09:40:12 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
WE DID SURVIVED.

09:40:13 >> HE IS A GOOD GUY.

I AM PULLING A LEG A LITTLE BIT.

ON BEHALF -- STEVE MICHELINI ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA

YMCA PROVIDE WITH YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO GO AND

ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE.

CICCO'S RESTAURANT GROUP, ENJOY BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND

DINNER AND YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO AND ORIN WANTED TO

GO WITH YOU FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE.

PRESTIGE PORTRAIT PROVIDE YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE

TO HAVE YOUR PORTRAITS DONE.

THANK YOU.

09:40:46 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:40:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAPTAIN THOMAS AND AS BEFORE, THE

STRAZ CENTER WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE.

YOU HAVE TICKETS TO ONE OF THEIR LOVELY SHOWS, THE

JADE, THE MASANI OR OTHER THEATRE THEY HAVE.

THEY HAVE SEVEN THERE AND THEY WANTED ME TO LET YOU

KNOW.

NOW TIME FOR COUNCIL TO TALK TO YOU.

COME ON UP HERE.

COUNCIL, PLEASE.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

09:41:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR.

09:41:13 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE FOR TAMPA FIRE

RESCUE.

YOU JUST HEARD A LOT OF GOOD WORDS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE

THAT SUPPORT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, INCLUDING OUR FIRE

FIGHTERS.

AND I THINK AGAIN THAT REFLECTS THE VIEWS OF I THINK

99% OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORTING OUR FIRST

RESPONDERS INCLUDING OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRE

FIGHTERS, EMERGENCY WORKERS AND THAT INCLUDES YOU.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR.

GOD BLESS YOU.

09:41:43 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:41:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:41:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
TO ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND KEEPING US SAFE.

09:41:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

WELL, AGAIN, PUBLIC SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE IN THE CITY.

FIRE FIGHTERS, I UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, I AM SO GRATEFUL

THAT THEY HELPED MY DAD.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED OF WHAT THEY DO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AND I KNOW CHIEF TRIPP HAS A HANDLE ON THE FIRE

DEPARTMENT AND DOING AN EXAMPLE FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

THANK YOU, MR. CITRO.

09:42:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT, YOUR TURN.

09:42:23 >>CAPTAIN THOMAS:
GOOD MORNING.

I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY THANKING CITY COUNCIL FOR

ALLOTTING THIS TIME DURING YOUR MEETING.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MY DISTRICT CHIEF, JUSTIN

BAXTER, WHO IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY FOR THE

NOMINATION AND ALSO THE AWARDS COMMITTEE FOR THE

DECISION AND ALSO THE CREW THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING

WITH FOR YEARS THAT MAKE ALL OF THIS POSSIBLE.

AND NOW FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF.

THIS MAY BE A LITTLE OFF TOPIC BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY

25-PLUS YEARS WITH THE DEPARTMENT I CANNOT REMEMBER THE

MORALE BEING AS IT IS CURRENTLY AS IT IS NOW.

ONLY A FEW MONTHS SINCE THIS ADMINISTRATION IS IN PLACE

AND THE VISION FOR TFR HAVE NEVER BEEN BRIGHTER.

CHIEF TRIPP, THANK YOU.

FIRE FIGHTER OF THE QUARTER IS A TRUE HONOR AND I WOULD

LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS.

09:43:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

09:43:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL, IF I MAY TAKE ONE MOMENT.

MR. CHAIR, PLEASE, IF I MAY, AS THE CHAIRMAN OF PUBLIC

SAFETY, I NEED TO TAKE THIS MOMENT AND MAKE A

STATEMENT.

OUR BUDGET IS COMING UP.

OUR BUDGET REVIEW IS COMING UP.

AND EVEN THOUGH THE CITY HAS BEEN HIT HARD BY THE

PANDEMIC, WE NEED TO LOOK DEEPLY INTO NEW FIRE STATIONS

FOR TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS.

NOT ONLY DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE ARE 3,000 NEW PEOPLE

COMING INTO THIS CITY WITH WATER WORKS.

ALSO NORTH TAMPA.

I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS A LOVE FOR FIRE

STATION NEW TAMPA.

IT IS OF MY OPINION THAT WE CAN NO LONGER DO WHAT WE

HAVE.

WE NEED SOME NEW FAIR STATIONS.

AND I HOPE WE TAKE A LONG, HARD LOOK AT OUR BUDGET AND

FIND WAYS, IF NOT TOMORROW WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO

ADD A FEW NEW FIRE STATIONS TO OUR CITIES.

AGAIN, THIS IS MEANT TO OFFEND NO ONE.

BUT THIS IS REALITY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THE CITY OF TAMPA IS GROWING, RAPIDLY.

AND THE FIRE FIGHTERS NOT ONLY NEED THE BRICK AND

MORTAR THAT THEY DESERVE BUT THE EQUIPMENT THEY

DESERVE.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY LISTENING TO ME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR FIRE FIGHTERS.

[APPLAUSE]

09:44:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL GO CONTINUE TO ITEM NUMBER 3.

FAMILY TIME NOW.

MR. VIERA.

09:44:59 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, CHAIRMAN GUDES.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

MY HONOR TO GIVE A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION TODAY TO

A GENTLEMAN WHO UNFORTUNATELY LEAVING US.

MR. CREW, IF YOU CAN COME UP HERE FOR A MINUTE.

JIM CREW, I HAD A GREAT PLEASURE OF KNOWING JIM FOR 14

YEARS OR SO.

I GOT TO MEET JIM WHEN HE SERVED ON THE CIVIL SERVICE

REVIEW BOARD AND I IMMEDIATELY TOOK A LIKING TO JIM.

HE IS A NICE GUY AS I WILL TALK ABOUT.

FIRST BACKGROUNDS ON JIM, HE HAS SERVE THE 26 YEARS FOR

THE CITY OF TAMPA INCLUDING 15 YEARS SERVING IN THE

CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, THE FIRST 11 YEARS HE SERVED IN

THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT

CAPACITIES.

JIM SERVED IN THREE DIFFERENT BRANCHES OF THE MILITARY

INCLUDING THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD, NAVY AND AIR FORCE

RESERVE FOR 23 YEARS.

AND JIM COMES LIKE SO MANY OF OUR VETERANS DO FROM A

MILITARY FAMILY.

HIS SON HAS SERVE $IN THE NAVY RESERVE.

HE HAS TWO BROTHERS WHO SERVED INCLUDING ONE THAT WAS

IN VIETNAM AND HIS LATE FATHER WAS IN THE U.S. ARMY AIR

CORP AND LOVE SEEING -- IF YOU GO PAST JIM'S OFFICE YOU

SEE A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF HIS FATHER AND HE LOOKS JUST

LIKE HIS DAD.

HE COMPLETED HIS MASTER OF DIVINITY DEGREE FROM LIBERTY

UNIVERSITY IN 2014 AND PRESENTLY SERVES -- TALK ABOUT

FIRST RESPONDERS -- WITH OUR FRIENDS AT PASCO FIRE

RESCUE AS A VOLUNTEER CHAPLAIN AND WITH THE TAMPA BAY

REGION ALACRITY CAL INCIDENT.

MARIA CREW, HIS WIFE.

A WONDERFUL NAME.

MY MOTHER'S NAME, MARIA FOR 32 YEARS.

HE HAS A SON AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW.

JIM IN HIS PERSONAL LEVEL, ACHIEVEMENT OF SERVING FIRST

RESPONDERS AND CITY OF TAMPA IN UNIFORM IS GREAT, BUT

ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, JIM IS A GENTLEMAN.

THE KIND OF PERSON -- I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS GUY EVER

BEING RUDE TO ANYBODY AT ALL.

BUT A GENTLE MAN.

HE IS A GENTLE PERSON.

JIM IS A VERY, VERY GENTLE PERSON.

HE HAS A GENTLE VOICE AND I REALLY BELIEVE A GENTLE

SOUL.

JIM IS VERY, VERY HUMBLE.

JIM IS A VERY, VERY HUMBLE PERSON AND JIM IS A PATRIOT

WHO LOVES HIS FAMILY A LOT AND FAMILY SERVICE THAT

RECOGNIZE THAT.

BUT THE REAL CORE OF JIM, I THINK, COMES FROM HIS

RELIGIOUS FAITH.

JIM HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN AS I FIRST KNEW HIM AND WILL

BE KNOWN TO THE DAY HE DIES AS A VERY DEDICATED

CHRISTIAN WHO LIVES HIS LIFE BY THE TEACHINGS AND

VALUES AND THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST.

THAT IS WHAT REALLY, REALLY MATTERS TO JIM.

AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT JUST INFORMS THE

KIND OF PERSON THAT HE IS AND THE SERVICE THAT HE GIVES

TO OUR CITY AND TO OUR COUNTRY.

SO I WANTED TO PRESENT THIS CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION

TO JIM, BUT BEFOREHAND -- AND WE HAVE OUR CLERK'S

OFFICE HERE.

IF MISS FOXX-KNOWLES IF YOU WANT TO COME AND SPEAK,

MA'AM.

09:47:51 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK.

WE REALLY ARE GOING TO MISS JIM.

JIM A PROFESSIONAL.

HE IS KIND AND HARDWORKING.

ALWAYS WILLING TO HELP AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

WE APPRECIATE IT SO, SO VERY MUCH.

HE HAS HELPED US OUT WITH OUR, OF COURSE, PUBLIC

RECORDS AND HE HANDLES THE MULTIDEPARTMENTAL PUBLIC

RECORDS REQUEST.

AND THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

HE JUST HAS BEEN WONDERFUL.

AND, AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE HIM AND ALWAYS WILLING TO

HELP OUT IN ANY WAY THE TRAINING, WHATEVER.

SO HE IS -- HE IS A INSPIRATION AND, AGAIN, WE ARE

GOING TO MISS HIM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE STAFF.

09:48:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COME ON UP, FAMILY.

09:48:56 >> WE HAVE OUR ARCHIVES AND RECORDS DIVISION HERE, ALSO

WITH JENNIFER AND ALISON, OF COURSE, SULING, CARENSIA

AND BRITTANY.

SO WE HAVE A FEW OTHERS TOO, BUT THEY ARE HERE RIGHT

NOW.

WE HAVE A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL STAFF,

INCLUDING JIM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:49:20 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND BEFORE -- BEFORE WE HAVE MR. CREWS

SPEAK.

IT IS FUNNY WE HAVEN'T -- DOES CITY COUNCIL SPEAK

BEFORE MR. CREW.

09:49:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DOESN'T MATTER.

WE DO WHAT WE DO HERE.

WE MAKE IT WORK.

09:49:32 >>LUIS VIERA:
PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.

IF ANYBODY GETS A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND NOBODY

LIKES THAT, JIM IS THE FIRST PERSON WE TALK TO.

SO ALWAYS A GOOD THING.

MR. CREW, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK AND MY

PLEASURE TO GIVE YOU THIS FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

GO AHEAD, BUDDY.

09:49:52 >>JIM CREW:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I ALREADY HAD A BIG HEAD, NOW IT IS GOING TO BE A

PUMPKIN.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE KIND WORDS.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR KINDNESSES OVER THE YEARS AND A

PLEASURE WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU AND NOW THAT I HAVE

DONE 43 YEARS OF GOVERNMENT SERVICE WITH THE ARMY,

NAVY, AIR FORCE AND CITY OF TAMPA TIME FOR ME TO REALLY

DECIDE TO DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I GROW UP AND THAT'S WHEN

I AM RETIRING AND MOVING CONTINUE TO WHATEVER THE LORD

HAS NEXT.

A GREAT PLEASURE TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU AND THANK YOU

-- THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY.

I WOULDN'T WANT ANY ONE OF YOUR JOBS.

YOU HAVE THANKLESS JOBS AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING

THAT YOU HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS AND CONTINUE TO DO

FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

SO THANK YOU.

AND IT HAS BEEN MY PRIVILEGE AND HONOR TO WORK WITH YOU

AND FOR THE CITY THESE MANY YEARS.

THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

09:50:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

I SAW YOU --

09:50:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS LOOKING AT JIM'S SPEECH AND I

THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A GREAT POLITICIAN.

[LAUGHTER]

HE MIGHT -- HE MIGHT BE LEAVING US TO RUN FOR OFFICE

SOMEWHERE ELSE, I THINK.

BUT I HAVE KNOWN HIM FOR MOST OF HIS CAREER.

NOW I GOT HIM MOTIVATED.

HE IS COMING BACK TO THE MIC.

09:51:11 >>JIM CREW:
YOU HAD THE TRUE HEROES HERE BEFORE ME THE

FIRST RESPONDERS AND WAY TONIGHT CONTINUE TO SERVE THEM

IN MY RETIREMENT AS A VOLUNTEER CHAPLAIN WITH FIRE

RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THAT IS MY DREAM AND MY GOAL.

09:51:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALL OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES ARE

HEROES WITH THE WAY THEY WORK AND DO THINGS TO HELP

EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CITY.

I MEAN THAT SINCERELY, WHETHER YOU WEAR A BADGE OR A

FIRE FIGHTER OR YOU -- YOU ARE A DELIVERY PERSON OR YOU

WORK IN RECORDS OR YOU WORK EVERYWHERE ELSE.

AND RECORDKEEPING IS THING THAT IS SO DILIGENTLY -- AND

SO NEEDED BECAUSE IF YOU WANT A RECORD, YOU GOT TO FIND

IT IMMEDIATELY.

SOMEBODY DOESN'T PLAN THREE MONTHS AHEAD I NEED TO LOOK

FOR TO RECORD BECAUSE I NEED IT.

THEY ASK FOR IT TODAY AND GOT TO BE DELIVERED QUICKLY.

ALL OF YOU IN THE DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU

DO.

JIM, I HAVE KNOWN YOU FOR MOST OF YOUR CAREER.

YOU HAVE BEEN A STALL WALT.

VERY GENERAL AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OFF THIS DONE FOR

YOUR CAREER FOR THE CITY AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.

BEST OF LUCK FOR YOU.

09:52:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DOWN THE LINE.

MR. CITRO'S LIGHT ON.

09:52:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

JIM, I HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER

FOR 16 YEARS, STARTING WITH CIVIL SERVICE BOARD GOING

ON TO VARIANCE REVIEW, GOING ON IT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.

IT -- I SAY THIS A LOT, AND I MEAN IT.

EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA IS FAMILY.

AND YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT FAMILY MEMBER.

YOU ALWAYS HELPED ME.

WHENEVER I NEEDED SOMETHING, I WOULD ALWAYS COME TO

YOU.

AND YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER

PARTS OF THE CITY.

EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE LEAVING US, YOU ARE STILL FAMILY,

BROTHER.

WE WILL MISS YOU.

BUT, PLEASE COME BACK AND SEE US, ALL RIGHT?

09:53:03 >>JIM CREW:
ABSOLUTELY.

09:53:07 >> WHEN I SAW THE ANNOUNCEMENT THE OTHER DAY THAT YOU

WERE RETIRING, I WAS REALLY SAD.

YOU HELPED ALL OF US SO MUCH OVER AT LEAST THE SHORT

TIME THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE ALL THE GREAT THINGS OFF

THIS DONE.

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WITH YOUR HEART,

COMPASSION AND DEDICATION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE

WHAT YOU WILL DO NEXT.

I KNOW YOU WILL DO GREAT THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY AND

THE WORLD.

YOU DON'T HAVE BE ELECTED TO DO GOOD THINGS, AS YOU

KNOW.

AND I AM SURE YOU WILL DO POSITIVE THINGS IN THE

COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

09:53:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:53:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GREAT APPRECIATION FOR ALL YOUR WORK.

YOU ARE A VERY, VERY, VERY NICE MAN AND VERY HUMBLE.

COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID IT ALL.

A GENTLE SOUL.

I THINK WHEN PEOPLE MEET YOU AND SEE YOU, THEY KNOW

THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ARE JUST ONE OF THOSE NICE

GUYS.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT CITY COUNCIL CANNOT

FUNCTION WITHOUT THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

YOUR ENTIRE TEAM, THE ENTIRE FAMILY, WE REALLY ARE IN

THIS TOGETHER.

AND ALL THE WORK OFF THIS PUT IN.

ALL THE WORK THAT EVERYONE IN THAT OFFICE PUTS IN TO

ALLOW ALL OF US TO FUNCTION AND SUCCEED EACH AND EVERY

DAY.

WE IRISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK, AS YOU SAID WHATEVER THE

LORD HAS NEXT FOR YOU.

MAY YOU LIVE TO BE 100 YEARS OLD, HEALTHY AND HAPPY.

AND THAT IS THE IMPORTANT PART, "HAPPY."

YOU HAVE SERVED -- I OFTEN SAID IT IS OKAY TO SERVE, IT

IS OKAY TO GIVE, BUT ALSO OKAY TO PUT YOURSELF FIRST.

FOCUS ON JIM CREW.

DO WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST

OF LUCK.

THANK YOU, SIR.

09:54:40 >>JIM CREW:
THANK YOU.

09:54:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:54:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
GOOD MORNING OPINION I WAS VERY SAD

TO SEE THAT MEMO THAT YOU WERE LEAVING.

I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY.

YOU SERVED OUR COUNTRY, YOU SERVED OUR COMMUNITY, AND

NOW IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO GO OFF AND SERVE THE

LORD IN YOUR OWN UNIQUE WAYS.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE SO MUCH.

AND YOU HAVE BEEN -- WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE

YOU.

AND YOU HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO SERVE WITH THESE FINE

PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THESE FINE LADIES, SHIRLEY AND

SULING AND THE REST OF THE CREW.

A GREAT TEAM THAT SHIRLEY HAS PUT TOGETHER.

AND YOU WILL BE LEAVING A BIG GAP THERE, BUT WE WISH

YOU WELL.

THANK YOU, JIM.

09:55:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU KNOW, MR. CREW, FROM THE MOMENT I

MEANT YOU, HUMBLE, READY TO WORK, READY TO DO WHATEVER

NEEDS TO BE DONE, ESPECIALLY IN NIGHT COUNCIL.

I REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE TRAINING MICHELLE WHEN SHE

FIRST CAME ON BOARD.

THAT WAS FAMILY.

IT SHOWED -- MAKE SURE SHE HAD IT.

AND BY GOLLY, SHE'S GOT IT NOW.

SHE IS ON HER OWN OPINION AND THANK YOU FOR THAT

BECAUSE YOU ARE THE TRAIN THEIR HELPED HER OUT ON THAT.

LIKE HE SAID EVERYBODY HERE IS FAMILY.

AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL HOUSE AND PROTECT THE HOUSE.

AND YOU PROTECTED THE NOW ALONG WITH MISS SHIRLEY -- WE

FRY TO PROTECT YOU GUYS BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU PROTECT US.

AGAIN.

BEST WISHES ON YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVOR.

I KNOW WHEN YOU SAY TO RETIRE.

GO DO WHAT DO YOU BEST.

GO HAVE FUN.

09:56:16 >>JIM CREW:
THANK YOU.

I JUST WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T THANK ALL THESE

FOLKS THAT I WORKED WITH, ESPECIALLY SHIRLEY, BEST BOSS

TO WORK FOR FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.

I COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR A BETTER BOSS.

AS I SAID MANY TIMES I AM THE ONLY THORN ON THE BUSH.

[LAUGHTER]

BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM.

I WOULD BE REMISS ALSO IF I DIDN'T THINK MY LOVELY

WIFE.

SHE COULDN'T BE HERE BUT SHE WILL BE HERE TOMORROW WHEN

WE SEE THE MAYOR.

THANK MARIA, 32 YEARS.

THE BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE.

09:56:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

[APPLAUSE]

09:56:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, MR. VIERA, ARE YOU GOING

DOWN FOR ITEM 4.

09:57:02 >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM GOING TO GO DOWNSTAIRS, SIR.

09:57:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, YOU, YOU ARE PART OF THIS

HOUSE AND I SAW YOU BACK THERE.

DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO MR. CREW.

09:57:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK DANIELLE WANTED TO SAY

SOMETHING.

09:57:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DANIELLE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

09:57:20 >> I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE DANIELLE.

LOOKING BACK HERE.

RECOGNIZE DANIELLE.

09:57:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S RIGHT.

MR. SHELBY.

09:57:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAD THE TREMENDOUS PRIVILEGE OF

WORKING WITH JIM FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT I RELY ON HIM, HAVE RELIED

ON HIM, AND I THINK HE HAS SERVED THE CITY COUNCIL VERY

WELL.

HE IS THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL AND I HAVE THE UPMOST

RESPECT FOR HIM AND I AM VERY SAD, FRANKLY, THAT HE IS

LEAVING.

AND I KNOW THAT -- THAT THE WORK WILL CARRY ON.

AND HE HAS SET THE BAR VERY HIGH.

AND HE IS GOING TO BE MISSED BY ME ESPECIALLY.

THANK YOU.

09:58:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, FOLKS.

AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR CLERK'S

OFFICE AND THEN MISS SHIRLEY WILL HAVE THE BEST PEOPLE

HERE TO DO THE BEST JOB FOR US.

THANK YOU.

YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT DAY.

MR. VIERA, ITEM NUMBER 4.

09:58:21 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY GREAT PLEASURE TO BE WITH SOME WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL

PEOPLE.

MISS -- YOU KNOW WHAT, BEFORE WE BEGIN, ACTUALLY, MR.

CHAIR, WE HAD A TWO-MINUTE VIDEO ON MEMORIAL DAY.

I WILL LIKE TO ASK THAT OUR FRIENDS BEGIN THAT.

AND THEY ARE.

09:58:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, SIR.

I.T. HAVE THAT VIDEO READY TO GO?

09:58:46 >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VETERANS DAY AND MEMORIAL

DAY.

WIKIPEDIA SAYS ARMED FORCES DAY IS CELEBRATED ON THIRD

SATURDAY IN MAY TO HONOR AMERICANS WHO ARE CURRENTLY

SERVING IN THE FIVE U.S. MILITARY BRANCHES.

VETERANS DAY IS AN OFFICIAL U.S. PUBLIC HOLIDAY

OBSERVED ANNUALLY ON NOVEMBER 11 THAT HONORS MILITARY

VETERANS, THAT IS PERSONS WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE UNITED

STATES ARMED FORCES.

MEMORIAL DAY IS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY IN THE UNITED STATES

FOR REMEMBERING THE PEOPLE WHO DIED WHILE SERVING IN

THE COUNTRIES ARMED FORCES.

I WANT TO CHALLENGE EACH PERSON TO REMEMBER AND HONOR

OUR FALLEN MILITARY SERVICEMEMBERS, OUR WARRIORS THIS

MEMORIAL DAY BY SETTING AN EMPTY PLACE AT YOUR DINNER

TABLE.

THE EMPTY CHAIR AT THE TABLE REPRESENT THAT THE FALLEN

ARE NOT PRESENT.

SPRINKLE THE PLATE WITH GRAINS THE SALT TO REPRESENT

THE COUNTLESS TEARS OF THE FAMILY, FRIENDS AND COMRADES

IN ARMS THAT MOURN THEIR DEATH AND MISS THEM DEARLY, SO

I CHALLENGE YOU IN THE NAME OF SPECIALIST KOWALL WHO

DIED ON SEPTEMBER 20, 2009 TO SET UP A PLACE OF HONOR

IN REMEMBRANCE AT YOUR TABLE.

I CHALLENGE YOU IN THE NAME OF CORPORATE FRANK ROSE

WHO DIED JULY 16, 2011.

10:00:22 >> I CHALLENGE YOU IN THE NAME OF LANCE CORPORAL

WILLIAM FONZ WHO DIED OCTOBER 16, 1968.

10:00:34 >> I CHALLENGE NEW THE NAME OF DANIEL ANGUS WHO DADE

JANUARY 24, 2010.

10:00:39 >> I CHALLENGE YOU IN THE NAME OF PFC WILLIAM OAKLEY

WHO DIED JULY 28, 1965.

10:00:47 >> I CHALLENGE NEW THE NAME OF SERGEANT LEE MILLS WHO

DADE APRIL 28, 200136 I CHALLENGE YOU IN THE NAME OF

SERGEANT TERRY LISK WHO DIED ON JUNE 26, 2006.

10:01:01 >> PLEASE, THIS MEMORIAL DAY, TAKE THE CHALLENGE AND

SET AN EMPTY PLACE AT YOUR TABLE TO SHOW THAT YOU

UNDERSTAND THAT MEMORIAL DAY MEANS THAT SOMEONE'S

CHILD, SPOUSE, PARENT, SIBLING, FRIEND, MADE THE

ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR YOUR FREEDOM.

10:01:18 >> I CHALLENGE YOU.

10:01:19 >> I CHALLENGE YOU.

10:01:21 >> I CHALLENGE YOU!

10:01:39 >> I CHALLENGE YOU.

10:01:41 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT AND WE HAVE

VERY SPECIAL GUESTS WITH US TODAY.

WE HAVE WHO IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING MISS KELLY KOWALL

IS A LOCAL GOLD STAR MOTHER AND A GREAT AMERICAN WHO

OPERATES MY WARRIOR'S PLACE IN RUSKIN TO HELP POLICE

OFFICERS, FIRE FIGHTERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEIR

FAMILIES SUFFERING FROM PTSD.

THE MOTHER OF THE LATE SPECIALIST CORY KOLWALL.

WE HAVE GOLD STAR PARENTS OF PAUL CAZUPPE II KILLED IN

ACTION IN OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM.

THEY ARE HERE TO SPEAK OF MEMORIAL DAY AND I ALWAYS

LIKE TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR TO HAVE GOLD STAR PARENTS

WITH US ON MEMORIAL DAY.

MEMORIAL DAY IS MISS KOWALL WILL SPEAK ABOUT A VERY,

VERY SOMBER DAY.

A SOMBER DAY FOR THESE FAMILIES AND SHOULD BE A SOMBER

TE FOR US ALL OF US, KELLY.

10:02:45 >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK LUIS VIERA FOR INVITING US

HERE TODAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SAY

A FEW WORDS.

AS LUIS SAID I AM KELLY KOWALL AND THE PROUD GOLD STAR

MOTHER OF CORY KOWALL WHO WAS KILLED IN A COMBAT

ANYTHING AFGHANISTAN IN 2009.

AS THE VIEW STATED THREE DIFFERENT HOLIDAYS FOR

ERICAN HEROES, ARMED FORCES DAY, MEMORIAL DAY AND

VETERANS DAY.

11 YEARS SINCE MY SON'S DEATH, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I

DON'T THINK OF HIM OR HE IS NO LONGER IN MY LIFE.

I AM STILL SO VERY PROUD OF HIM FOR BEING ABLE AND

WILLING TO PUT ON THE UNIFORM AND GO FIGHT FOR OUR

FREEDOMS WE HAVE AS AMERICANS.

AND I AM ALSO SO VERY GRATEFUL THAT THERE IS ONE DAY,

ONE SPECIAL DAY THAT IS DEDICATED TO HONOR ALL THOSE

WHO PUT ON A MILITARY UNIFORM AND DIED WHILE ACTIVELY

SERVING IN THE MILITARY.

THAT IS MEMORIAL DAY.

OUR FALLEN HEROES DESERVE THIS ONE DAY TO BE

REMEMBERED.

IT IS ALSO HURTFUL TO THE FAMILIES OF THE FALLEN TO

HAVE IT TURNED INTO VETERANS DAY.

I IMPLORE EVERYONE PLEASE REMEMBER THE DIFFERENCES OF

THE THREE HOLIDAYS.

TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WHO DIED WHILE SERVING OUR

COUNTRY AND THE FAMILIES OF THE FALLEN HAVE THIS ONE

SPECIAL DAY.

AND DON'T LET ANYONE USURP IT FROM US.

THANK YOU.

10:04:29 >> IF I CAN JUST SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK.

I JUST WANT TO SAY REAL QUICK THAT EVERY MEMORIAL DAY

AT 3 P.M., IT IS JUST A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

JUST TAKE THAT ONE MOMENT, TAKE TEN SECONDS, 20

SECONDS, 30 SECONDS, ONE MINUTE, JUST TO REMEMBER ALL

OF THE FALLEN.

IT'S JUST A SHORT TIME.

JUST TO TAKE THAT MOMENT AND JUST THINK ABOUT ALL OF

MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES WHILE SERVING.

YOU MAY NOT KNOW THEM.

AND THAT'S OKAY.

BUT JUST THINK OF THAT BLANK CHECK THAT THEY SIGN.

THANK YOU.

10:05:17 >>LUIS VIERA:
I JUST WANTED TO THANK THESE FAMILIES

FOR COMING HERE TODAY.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO IS WATCHING OVER THE

MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, I KNOW THERE IS MANY EVENTS ON

SUNDAY.

I BELIEVE THERE IS AN EVENT AT OUR WONDERFUL VETERANS

OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PARK ON MONDAY WHICH IS MEMORIAL

DAY.

THERE IS AN EVENT POST 5 AMERICAN LEGION.

ANOTHER EVENT NEAR THE RIVER WALK, I BELIEVE.

BUT JUST TO HONOR THE TRUE MEANING OF MEMORIAL DAY.

MEMORIAL DAY STARTED MAY 1, 1865 IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH

CAROLINA.

WHEN A GROUP OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WANTED TO HONOR ABOUT

257 AMERICAN SOLDIERS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED IN ACTION,

UNION SOLDIERS WHO HAD BEEN KILLED IN ACTION AND DID A

PARADE AND THEN DECK RATED THEIR NEW GRAVES AND CALLED

DECORATION DAY.

EVENTUALLY BECOME MEMORIAL DAY.

BUT THE MEANING FOR US TODAY IS VERY, VERY SOMBER, AND

WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY.

THANK YOU.

10:06:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY COUNCILMEMBERS?

MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:06:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT EACH AND EVERY DAY IS MEMORIAL

DAY.

AND AS HAS BEEN -- AS WHAT WAS JUST SAID, WE MAY NOT

KNOW THEM, THEY THAT HAVE SACRIFICED FOR US, THEY MAY

NOT HAVE KNOWN US, BUT THEY GAVE ACTUAL THIS COUNTRY.

AND WE ARE FREE BECAUSE OF THEM.

AND THERE IS A SAYING THAT SAYS, WE DIE, ONCE WHEN WE

TAKE OUR LAST BREATH, AND ANOTHER TIME WHEN SOMEONE

SAYS OUR NAME FOR THE LAST TIME.

SO WHEN WE REMEMBER THESE FALLEN SOLDIERS, THESE FALLEN

HEROES AND WE STAY THEIR NAMES, WE KEEP THEM ALIVE.

WE KEEP THEIR SPIRITS ALIVE KNOWING THAT THEY DID NOT

DIE IN VAIN.

THEIR SACRIFICE KEEPS AMERICA FREE, OUR COUNTRY GREAT,

EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US TO BECAUSE THEY GAVE

ALL.

SO MEMORIAL DAY IS A SOMBER DAY, AN IMPORTANT DAY AN

SHOULDN'T BE -- AS ALREADY WAS SAID SHOULDN'T BE

CONFUSED WITH THE OTHER DAYS AND WE SHOULD TAKE A

MOMENT EVERY DAY AND REMEMBER THOSE THAT WE KNEW OR DID

NOT KNOW THAT HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES AND SERVICE TO

THIS COUNTRY.

AND, AGAIN, FOR OUR FREEDOMS THAT WE CAN NEVER TAKE FOR

GRANTED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:07:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:07:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE THREE SONS, SO THESE STORIES

ARE VERY EMOTIONAL FOR ME.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THE THINGS THAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES

WENT THROUGH -- SORRY TO TEAR UP LIKE THAT.

I WANT TO THANK ALL THE FAMILIES, LIKE YOU, WHO HAVE

MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR OUR COUNTRY AND OUR

WORLD.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY THREE SONS AND I WILL

DEFINITELY REMEMBER YOUR CHILDREN AND THE CHILDREN OF

THE OTHERS OUT THERE AND WE WILL BE THINKING WITH YOU

ALL ON MONDAY.

AS MR. MANISCALCO SAID, WE WILL THANK YOU EVERY DAY.

10:08:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:08:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE GOLD STAR FAMILIES FOR THE

SACRIFICES THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN, FOR THE BURDENS YOU HAD

TO BEAR.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO

HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR MY FREEDOMS.

FOR MY ABILITIES TO BE ABLE TO SAY THE THINGS I WANT,

VOTE THE WAY I WANT, AND DO SOME OF THE THINGS THE WAY

I WANT.

I THANK THEM FOR MY FREEDOMS.

AND I THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:08:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER.

10:08:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I THINK IT IS BEYOND WORDS ANYTHING WE CAN SAY TO

APPRECIATE THE SACRIFICE THAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES AND

ALL THE GOLD STAR FAMILIES HAVE MADE FOR THIS COUNTRY.

BUT I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN HERE AND REMINDING US

HOW IMPORTANT THIS TIME IS AND MONDAY IS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:09:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.

10:09:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU TO THE GOLD STAR FAMILY

WHO SUFFERED ENORMOUS SACRIFICES.

YOU KNOW WITHOUT THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE, WITHOUT THE

RIGHT TO SAY WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, THIS

COUNTRY WOULDN'T BE WHAT IT IS.

ONE OF THE FEW COUNTRIES LEFT WHERE YOU CAN STILL SAY

WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE AND HAVE A DIFFERENCE

OF OPINION.

AND DEMOCRACY DOES NOT COME CHEAP.

DEMOCRACY IS WHAT YOU HAVE SUFFERED BECAUSE OF SONS AND

DAUGHTERS THAT HAVE GONE TO THE OTHER WORLD AND I AM

SURE THEY ARE IN HEAVEN AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS

COUNTRY CANNOT -- CAN CONTINUE BECAUSE OF GOOD PEOPLE

LIKE YOURSELVES.

THIS COUNTRY MUST COME TOGETHER TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS.

WE HAVE ENORMOUS PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WE

HAVEN'T CAUSED OURSELVES.

FROM OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS

THAT ARE BEING DONE TO THIS COUNTRY, TO UNDERTAKE MINE

THE FREEDOM THAT YOU AND I HAVE AND WE HAVE IT ONLY

BECAUSE SOMEONE GAVE THEIR LIFE SO THAT YOU AND I CAN

HAVE AN EXPRESSION OF WHAT THE FUTURE LIES FOR OUR

CHILDREN.

WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:10:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SOMEONE WHO HAS SERVED THE PUBLIC AND

WHO HAD TO CARRY A GUN, NOT KNOWING HE MAY COME HOME AT

NIGHT TO YOUR FAMILY.

THE SACRIFICE.

YOUR LOVED ONE'S SACRIFICE TO THIS COUNTRY.

TO HONOR THIS COUNTRY AND TO PROTECT THE FOLKS AND THE

LIBERTIES AND THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.

IT IS A HECK OF A SACRIFICE, GENTLEMEN.

A HECK OF A SACRIFICE.

WHAT I WILL SAY TO YOU IS THAT THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING

YOUR LOVED ONES TO SERVE.

THANK YOU.

MR. VIERA, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT -- ABOUT CIVIL SERVICES

ON MONDAY.

I WILL BE ATTENDING A SERVICE AT WESTHAVEN CEMETERY.

MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY ON 43RD AND ANA.

MR. MELVIN COLLINS IS THE COMMANDER OF THE POST.

AND HIS NEPHEW, MICHAEL COLLINS, I SERVED WITH HIM AT

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I WAS HONORED THAT HE CALLED TO ASK FOR ME TO BE A

GUEST SPEAKER AT THE EVENT.

AGAIN, IF THOSE FOLKS CAN GET OUT THIS WEEKEND AND PUT

A FLAG -- I KNOW BEFORE I BECAME A PUBLIC OFFICIAL I

PUT THE FLAGS ON ALL THE SERVICEMEN'S GRAVES AND JUST

READING THE STONES OF THE YEARS, IT WAS VERY IMPACTFUL.

AGAIN, I THANK YOU MR. VIERA FOR ALLOWING THESE FOLKS

TO COME BEFORE US AND SHARE WITH US.

THANK YOU, SIR.

10:11:56 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

WHEN IS THAT EVENT AT MEMORIAL CEMETERY?

10:12:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOING TO BE MONDAY.

MONDAY AT 11:00.

10:12:05 >>LUIS VIERA:
DARN IT.

I HAVE ANOTHER CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER MEMORIAL DAY

EVENT.

BUT THAT -- THAT IS -- IS THAT POST 167 TAKING THAT UP?

10:12:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK SO.

I KNOW --

10:12:19 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

10:12:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, MR. SHELBY, GO TO PUBLIC

COMMENT.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A FEW -- HOW MANY DO WE HAVE

DOWNSTAIRS?

10:12:50 >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.

AS I REFLECT ON MEMORIAL DAY, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING

HONOR AND ATTENTION TO MANY OUT OF THE AFRICAN

COMMUNITY THAT WENT, FOUGHT FOR LIBERTIES AND THINGS

THAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD IMPACT AT THE TIME TO TRANSFORM

AN AMERICA THAT ALL PEOPLE WILL BENEFIT.

WE KNOW HISTORY -- HISTORY HAS SHOWED US THAT THE

STRUGGLE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY IS AN

ONGOING PROCESS.

ONE YEAR AFTER GEORGE FLOYD -- THE MURDER OF GEORGE

FLOYD, ONE YEAR AFTER THE PANDEMIC THAT I THOUGHT

SOFTENED SOME OF THE HEARTS IN THIS COUNTRY AND STARTED

DEALING WITH SOME OF THE DISPARITIES THAT EXIST.

WE SEE -- WE STILL SEE EXISTING DISPARITIES THAT EXIST

IN OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF BEING DESCRIBED AS ALMOST

A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

THE FAILURE OF SO MANY SCHOOLS IN OUR COMMUNITY, OF

SUBSTANDARD HOUSING, THE ISSUES OF GUST BEING A FOOD

DESERT.

I COME THIS MORNING TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, AGAIN,

THAT EVEN WHEN WE ARE AT THE TABLE AS FAMILY, AND I

HEAR THAT THROWN AROUND A LOT AS WELL, THAT THE

FAMILIES IN EAST TAMPA HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BENEFIT

FROM CRA FUNDS.

WE STARTED IN OCTOBER WITH $11 MILLION ON THE TABLE,

ONLY TO SEE ABOUT $2 MILLION HAVE BEEN EXTRACTED.

MANY OF IT FOR SERVICES THAT WERE ALREADY ALLOCATED,

AND THIS BOARD HAS ONLY BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE $50,000,

AND THAT IS FOR AN UPCOMING LEADERSHIP TRAINING

ACADEMY.

WHILE WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE

DONE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHILE WE WATCH HOUSES IN OUR

COMMUNITY THAT ARE SELLING WELL OVER $300,000, WHILE WE

TALK ABOUT HAVING A DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

MANY OF THE HOMES BEING BUILT.

EVEN REHAB HOUSES.

PEOPLE CAN'T UTILIZE THAT ASSISTANCE FUND.

SO IT IS GOOD SEEING ALL SEVEN OF YOU HERE TODAY

BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN MAKING THESE DEMANDS

ONLY TO BE PACIFIED AT OUR MEETING THAT TELL US IT IS A

PROCESS SO EIGHT MONTHS INTO THIS PROCESS, THE FAMILY

OF EAST TAMPA IS LOOKING FOR TANGIBLE RESULTS.

I WANT TO THANK THOSE VOLUNTEERS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT

-- TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY THAT IS NOT URBAN

PLANNERS, THAT ARE NOT GETTING PAID A DIME IS MAKING

THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE TO SEE HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO

PUSH THE BALL.

$11 MILLION.

ONLY $2 MILLION BEING SPENT AND ONLY $50,000 OF THAT

HAVE BEEN TOWARD A GUARANTEED LEADERSHIP TRAINING WHEN

WE CAN UTILIZE SO MANY RESOURCES TO UPLIFT OUR

COMMUNITY TOWARD ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP AND TAKE CARE OF

REAL SYSTEMIC THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED OVER AND

OVER AGAIN.

10:16:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

10:16:10 >> THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE FAMILY OR STEPCHILDREN?

THANK YOU.

10:16:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

10:16:32 >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.

I WANT TO SAY AND I SAID.BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT

AGAIN.

GARBAGE CITY COUNCIL.

I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS OR WHAT FORM.

THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING.

THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.

NEVER DID ANYTHING FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE WITH 26% OF THIS

POPULATION.

WE DON'T ENJOY 26% OF THE GOODNESS.

THESE FOOLS HERE TALKING OF MEMORIAL DAY AND WHAT IT

MEANS AND MEANS IN THE CONTEXT OF PEOPLE GOING TO WAR

AND BEING AGGRESS STOVE OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES

AND TALKING OF THEIR FREEDOM AND WE ARE RIGHT HERE AND

WE DON'T GOT NO DAMN FREEDOM.

WE AIN'T GOT NO FREEDOM.

WE AIN'T GOT NO CIVIL RIGHTS.

WE AIN'T GOT NO HUMAN RIGHTS.

WE GOT NOTHING.

ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOTHING.

WE AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED TO RESTART THE -- IT IS

HONORABLE THAT THE PERSON RECOGNIZED THAT MEMORIAL DAY

WAS STARTED BY AFRICAN PEOPLE, BUT WE NEED TO RESTART

THIS MEMORIAL DAY FOR ALL THE AFRICAN WOMEN AND ALL THE

AFRICAN MEN, ALL THE AFRICAN MOTHERS, ALL THE AFRICAN

FATHERS LOCKED UP IN THESE STINKING PRISONS ALL OVER

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE

ALL THIS FREEDOM.

NO FREEDOM FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET FOR FREE DOOM.

BEGGING FOR FREEDOM.

TRYING TO INTEGRATE FOR FREEDOM.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING DIFFERENT THINGS TO GET FREEDOM AND

A SEMBLANCE OF FREEDOM BUT NO FREEDOM FOR AFRICAN

PEOPLE.

WHAT WE NEED IT, WE NEED REPARATIONS AND WE NEED A

NUCLEAR WEAPON.

WE NEED OUR REPARATIONS, $621 TRILLION OF IT.

AND WE NEED A NUCLEAR WEAPON THAT NUCLEAR WEAPON WILL

GIVE THE RESPECT WITH WE NEED.

THE BLACK NUCLEAR WEAPON WHAT AND IN PALESTINE.

WHAT HAPPENED IN PALESTINE WON'T HAPPEN TO US.

IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO US 621 YEARS ALL OVER THE

WORLD.

THAT BLACK NUCLEAR WEAPON IN OUR HAND AMONGST OUR

PEOPLE WILL LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT IS TIME FOR US TO

BE RESPECTED.

IT IS TIME FOR US TO BE RESPECTED.

WE CAN'T KEEP ON AT THIS PACE.

YOU CAN'T LIVE YOUR LIFE FROM ZERO TO WHATSOEVER FROM

ZERO TO DEATH AND NEVER SEE ANY SEMBLANCE.

ANY SEMBLANCE OF DIGNITY.

ANY SEMBLANCE OF DIGNITY.

ONE THING TO ANOTHER.

ONE CRISIS TO THE OTHER.

YOU UNDERSTAND IF NOT GEORGE FLOYD,S IS SOMEBODY ELSE.

SOMEBODY ELSE.

MR. GREEN DYING BY ROBLES PARK.

OTHER THINGS.

ALWAYS GOING ON.

IT IS ONGOING.

IT IS ONGOING.

JONAS BEING SHOT 60 SOMETHING TIME BY THAT GARBAGE

POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU HAD SITTING UP IN HERE TODAY.

YOUNG LADY DYING BECAUSE THE PARAMEDICS -- GARBAGE

PARAMEDICS WON'T TAKE HER TO THE HOSPITAL AND GARBAGE

FOOLS GOT THEIR JOBS BACK.

NO, MAN, WE NEED REPARATIONS AND WE NEED A NUCLEAR

WEAPON.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

10:19:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

10:19:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ED INTO MORNING, STATE YOUR NAME FOR

US.

10:19:47 >> MY NAME IS TIFFANY AND GO BY MAKING MOVES ON SOCIAL

MEDIA.

I AM NEW TO THIS, HOWEVER, I AM A BLACK WOMAN.

I'M HERE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

I JUST MET MISS CONNIE AND HOWEVER I SAY I STAND BY

WHAT IT IS SHE STANDS FOR.

I WILL EDUCATE MYSELF ON WHAT IT IS I DON'T KNOW IN

ORDER TO HELP OUR BLACK COMMUNITY.

BUT MY POSITION AND MY TAKE ON ALL OF THIS IS, IF WE

ARE A COMMUNITY, IT IS NOT ABOUT COLOR AND NOT ABOUT

RACE, IT IS ABOUT UNITY.

NO MATTER THE COLOR AND THE RACE.

NOW, IF I HAVE TO STAND TO FIGHT FOR OUR BLACK

COMMUNITY, I THINK THE COMMUNICATION IS BEING LOST

BECAUSE ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR IS PEACE UNITY.

WE ARE BUILD OUR OWN BLACK COMMUNITY IF THAT IS WHAT IT

CALLS FOR.

MY TAKE ON IT IS WE HAVE A LOT OF ENTREPRENEURS LIKE

MYSELF.

I HAVE MY OWN PRODUCTION COMPANY.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ENTREPRENEURS.

I HAVE SIX ENTREPRENEURS FROM THE AGE OF 15, 13, 9, 7,

4 AND 2.

AND WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN OUR CHILDREN.

BECAUSE THE SYSTEM OF TEACHING OUR CHILDREN IS NOT

CORRECT.

BECAUSE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DOES NOT TEACH US ABOUT

CREDIT.

THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DOES NOT SEARCH US ABOUT BUYING

PROPERTY.

THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DOES NOT TEACH US ABOUT A LOT OF

THINGS THAT THE WHITE PEOPLE ARE AHEAD OF US.

NOW WHEN I SAY "WHITE PEOPLE" I SAY THAT ONLY IN THE

FORM OF OUR BLACK COMMUNITY FEEL LIKE THE WHITE PEOPLE

HAVE SO MUCH POWER, BUT THEY DON'T.

WE HAVE EQUAL POWER.

IT IS ALL ABOUT KNOWLEDGE, OKAY.

AND WHEN WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE, CAN'T NOBODY TAKE ANYTHING

PHYSICALLY AWAY FROM US.

BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU DO, WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO GO GET

IT AGAIN.

AND THAT IS WHAT I STAND FOR.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN EITHER DO THIS

PEACEFULLY AND WORK TOGETHER AND BUILD THIS COMMUNITY

TOGETHER OR WE WILL BUILD A BLACK COMMUNITY WITHOUT

YOUR PERMISSION.

AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

NOW MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL IS, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO?

BECAUSE WE ARE WILLING TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I DON'T WANT TO COME HERE AND MAKE DEMANDS.

I WANT TO COME HERE AND PUT IN ACTION.

ACTION.

SO ALL I AM ASKING IS WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE TO START

THE PROCESS OF WORKING TOGETHER.

FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S ALL I ASK.

10:22:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

IF YOU WANT SOME ANSWERS, CALL MY OFFICE AND MY OFFICE

WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT YOU

CAN DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.

10:22:37 >> THANK YOU.

10:22:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR COMING.

10:22:45 >> NO MORE SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME.

10:22:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO MORE SPEAKERS.

ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS?

10:22:54 >> YES, SULING LUCAS, DEPUTY CLERK.

STEPHANIE POYNOR SAID SHE WOULD NOT BE SPEAKING AND MR.

SHAWN BROWN IS NOT LOGGED ON.

MISS JEAN STROHMEYER.

IF YOU HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

JEAN STROHMEYER, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

10:23:30 >> DID STEPHANIE TALK YET?

I DON'T THINK STEPHANIE DID.

I GOT INTERRUPTED.

CAN YOU HEAR ME.

10:23:36 >>CLERK:
YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

10:23:41 >> I AM JEAN STROHMEYER.

THAT MEMORIAL VIDEO WAS AWESOME.

BROUGHT TEARS TO MY EYES AND IF CITY COUNCIL CAN PUT IT

ON THE TAMPA WEB SITE OR CITY COUNCIL AND MAKE IT

SHAREABLE.

IT IS JUST REALLY GOOD AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT

ON MY SOCIAL MEDIA.

LET'S SEE.

I'M HERE TODAY ON A FEW ISSUES.

FIRST, I SENT EVERYBODY A WEEKLY REVIEW.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ONE ITEM

THAT I SPOKE ABOUT 8 AND 9 THAT MAY HAVE COME ACROSS AS

PREJUDICIAL OR OFFENSIVE AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT WAS NOT

MY INTENTION.

I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE NO PREJUDICE AT ALL.

I MARRIED A -- 23 YEARS AGO I MARRIED A BLACK MAN, SO

FRANKLY I HAVE NO ISSUES.

THAT WAS BEFORE IT WAS IN VOGUE AND I LOVE ALL PEOPLE.

SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE CREATED TO BE -- TO BE

TREATED EQUALLY.

MY ISSUE -- I AM CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER -- LET'S SEE

THE -- JESUS, I WASN'T PREPARED.

ON -- THE 10 AND 11, LIMITING CITY COUNCIL POWER NOT

QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I WOULD LIKE -- IT

JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

GOVERNMENT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY RELINQUISH POWER.

SO I AM NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT IS ABOUT.

I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

I SENT AN E-MAIL ON THAT TO EVERYBODY.

ALSO, I AM SPEAKING AGAINST -- AND JUST -- I KNOW THIS

IS A WORKSHOP, BUT ITEMS 5 AND 6.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CALL IT, I THINK IT IS

UNNECESSARY, EXPENSIVE AND PRETTY DISGUSTING.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF WATER.

WE HAVE A ROBUST RAINY SEASON MOST OF THE TIME.

AND WE SOMETIMES HAVE 46 DAYS OF STRAIGHT RAIN.

AND THAT USUALLY MAKES UP FOR WHEN WE DO HAVE DRY

SEASONS LIKE WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW.

NO RAIN AT ALL.

NONE IN SIGHT.

I JUST FEEL THAT -- TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT AND --

YEAH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE -- THAT THEY ARE SAYING -- A LOT OF

PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE ARE GOING TO LEAVE ONCE THE

HURRICANE SEASON STARTS.

ER IN NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE HURRICANE SEASON.

I HAD A FRIEND MOVE HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THE

MOSQUITOES ALONE SENT HER BACK TO NEVADA.

PEOPLE GO BACK -- WE WILL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

I THINK THAT IS IT.

I AM GOING TO HAVE MY VACATION NOW.

HAVE A GREAT DAY.

10:26:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, JEAN.

GENTLEMEN, I NEED TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS ON A

COUPLE OF ISSUE.

TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTES AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

10:32:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.

10:32:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.

10:32:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.

10:32:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.

10:32:21 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.

10:32:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.

10:32:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.

10:32:26 >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

10:32:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.

GO TO ITEM NUMBER 5.

10:32:36 >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, THE

OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

10:32:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TURN IT ON, JAN.

YOUR MIC IS NOT ON.

10:32:50 >> OKAY.

I AM STILL TRAINABLE EVEN AT MY AGE.

JAN MCLEAN WITH THE OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE

YOU A REPORT ON A RECENTLY PASSED PIECE OF LEGISLATION

COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE RECLAIM BILL, SENATE BILL 64.

THIS -- THE SUBJECT MATTER, OF COURSE, WHEN OFF A BILL

SHOULD ONLY BE OF ONE SUBJECT MATTER AND THIS BILL

SUBJECT MATTER IS RECLAIM WATER; HOWEVER, THERE ARE

THREE PRIMARY AREAS THAT THIS BILL COVERS.

AND ONE IS THE REDUCTION AND ELIMINATION OF DISCHARGE

OF EFFLUENT RECLAIMED WATER OR REUSE WATER TO SURFACE

WATERS.

THE SEND AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE LEGISLATION

IS POTABLE REUSE.

AND THE ALTERNATE WATER SUPPLY AND ALTERNATIVE WATER

SUPPLY FINANCING IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF

RECLAIMED WATER FOR POTABLE REDUCE REUSE.

AND THE THIRD SECTION OF THE BILL IS THE GRAY WATER

TECHNOLOGIES INCENTIVIZATION FOR RESIDENTIAL

DEVELOPMENT USE OF GRAY WATER TECHNOLOGY.

THE BILL AT THIS TIME HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE

GOVERNOR, AT LEAST NOT AT THE LAST CHECK OF THE

INTERNET AND CHECKING WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS.

AND IT WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE UPON BECOMING LAW.

SO UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, A BILL BECOMES EFFECTIVE IF

IT IS PRESENTED TO THE GOVERNOR DURING THE COURSE OF

THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND HE HAS SEVEN DAYS TO ACT ON

IT.

IF THE SESSION IS COMPLETED AND MORE THAN A 30-DAY

ADJOURNMENT, HE HAS 15 DAYS TO ACT ON IT.

OTHERWISE A BILL BECOMES LAW ON THE 60TH DAY AFTER THE

ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE OF THE LEGISLATION.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE ARE AWAITING THE EFFECTIVE

DATE OF THE PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT.

I AM -- IT IS A RATHER DETAILED BILL.

IT'S DIFFICULT NOT TO GET DOWN INTO THE WEEDS WITHOUT

GETTING INTO THE WEEDS, BUT I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT AT

SUCH A LEVEL.

AND PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STOP AND ASK ME

QUESTIONS AS I GO THROUGH IT, FEEL FREE TO DO THAT.

THE FIRST SECTION OF THE BILL DOES ESTABLISH A TIME

LINE AND A PLAN FOR WASTEWATER UTILITIES THAT DISPOSE

OF EFFLUENT RECLAIMED WATER OR REUSE WATER BY SURFACE

WATER DISCHARGES.

WE SHALL SUBMIT A PLAN TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION BY NOVEMBER 1 OF THIS YEAR,

WHICH IS A VERY ACCELERATED TIMELINE FOR ANY UTILITY

LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF A PLAN TO DEP.

THE PLAN MUST INCLUDE AND VERY SPECIFIC AND IDENTIFY WE

-- I AM GOING TO SAY "WE" THIS IS APPLICABLE TO THE

CITY OF TAMPA AND MAY BE OTHER PIECES OF THE

LEGISLATION THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY APPLICABLE TO THE

CITY, BUT THIS SECTION CERTAINLY IS.

SO THE PLAN MUST INCLUDE THE AVERAGE GALLONS ELIMINATED

FROM THE SURFACE WATER DISCHARGE, THE DATE OF SUCH

ELIMINATION.

THE AVERAGE GALLONS OF THE DISCHARGE THAT MAY CONTINUE

WHEN IT FALLS WITHIN THE EXCEPTIONS HERE UNDER THE

LEGISLATION.

THE DISCHARGE ASSOCIATED WITH INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE

PROJECT.

IF THE -- IF THE WET WEATHER DISCHARGE IS PURSUANT TO A

FDEP PERMIT.

AND IF THE DISCHARGE IS IN A STORMWATER SYSTEM AND USED

FOR IRRIGATION.

OR IF IT IS REUSED 90% OF THE AVERAGE ANNUAL FLOW.

OR IF THE DISCHARGE PROVIDES DIRECT ECOLOGICAL OR

PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY BENEFITS THAT IS REHYDRATING

WETLANDS OAR MFL OR RECOVERY STRATEGY.

ALL OF THOSE ITEMS MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN AS FAR

AS WHAT WE SUBMIT TO DEP.

THE PLAN MUST INCLUDE -- THE PLAN, EXCUSE ME, MAY

INCLUDE CONCEPTUAL PROJECTS, BUT THE PROJECTS THAT

IDENTIFY THE ELIMINATION AND REDUCTION OF THE DISCHARGE

ARE CONCEPTUAL, THE LACK OF SPECIFICITY DOES NOT EXTEND

THE TIME OF THE PLAN TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

THE DEP MUST TAKE ACTION ON THE PLAN, APPROVE AND DENY

WITHIN NINE MONTHS AFTER THE RECEIPT OF THE PLAN.

THE DEP MAY NOT EXTEND THE TIME FOR THE RECEIPT OF THE

PLAN NOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN AND NOT

CHALLENGE UNDER AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING UNDER

CHAPTER 120.

10:37:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:38:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF YOU WILL EXPLAIN TO US IRS

MCLEAN, WHAT THE 90% OF FLOW MEANS.

10:38:07 >> IF WE ARE -- IF WE TAKE HYPOTHETICALS, IF WE HAVE

100% ANNUAL AVERAGE MGD DISCHARGE, IF WE REUSE 90% OF

THAT, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY OF -- OF INCLUDING THAT

IN OUR PLAN AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO NOT NECESSARILY

COMPLETE THE PLAN BY -- WITHIN A CERTAIN DATE.

SO THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IF YOU USE YOUR

DISCHARGE, IF YOU REUSE 90% OF YOUR DISCHARGE, THAT IS

A BENEFIT TO YOU AS ONE OF THE EXEMPTIONS.

10:38:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO ABOUT 60, 65 MILLION GALLONS A

DAY, IF YOU USE 90% OF THAT, WHAT HAPPENS?

IN LAYMAN'S TERM?

10:38:59 >> I AM GOING TO BE REFERRING BACK TO THE LEGISLATION

BECAUSE I HAVEN'T COMMITTED IT TO MEMORY LIKE CATECHISM

AND READINGS.

I APOLOGIZE.

IT'S -- OKAY.

THE DEPARTMENT SHALL APPROVE A PLAN THAT INCLUDES ALL

-- SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IF THAT IS

INCLUDED IN THE PLAN, THAT THE -- THE DEPARTMENT WILL

APPROVE THE DEPARTMENT SHALL APPROVE A PLAN OF ALL THE

INFORMATION REQUIRED UNDER THE SUBSECTIONS OF MEETING

REQUIREMENT OF THE SUBSECTIONS INVOLVED.

IF ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET.

ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS IS THAT IF THE UTILITY OPERATES

A DOMESTIC WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY WATER REUSE

SYSTEMS OF 9% AS DETERMINED BY THE DEPARTMENT USING

MONITORING DATA FOR THE PRIOR FIVE CONSECUTIVE YEARS

FOR REUSE BURNS AUTHORIZED BY THE DEPARTMENT.

SOMEBODY APPROVE THE PLAN.

10:40:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE WORD "SHALL" IS REAL STRONG,

BUT I GUESS THAT IS THEIR LANGUAGE, NOT OURS.

10:40:16 >> YES.

10:40:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.

10:40:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. CARLSON.

10:40:24 >>BILL CARLSON:
SINCE WE OPENED IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

THE DEFINITION OF THIS -- THE CITY ALREADY PARTIALLY

TREATS ITS WASTEWATER AND PUTS IT INTO THE BAY, RIGHT?

AS -- AND THE DEFINITION OF THE NEW LEGISLATION, WHAT

-- WHAT IS COUNTED UNDERSTAND?

SO ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED

LATER IS TREATING IT ALL THE WAY TO DRINKING WATER

QUALITY STANDARDS SO TWO-PART QUESTION, THE PARTIALLY

TREATED WATER COUNTS UNDER THIS.

AND IF WE TREATED IT COMPLETELY -- DRINKING WATER

STANDARDS DURING BAY, DO WE HAVE TO STILL FILE IN

REPORT BECAUSE OF THE SOURCE OF IT?

THE SOURCE OF IT?

OR WHILE IT IS TREATED AT THE OTHER ENDS.

10:41:08 >> ACTUALLY BECAUSE IT IS NOT REUSED.

IT IS DETERMINED, PREDETERMINED THAT BECAUSE IT IS

RECLAIMED WATER IT IS ADVANCE TREATED RECLAIMED WATER

GOING INTO THE BAY THAT IS NOT BEING USED FOR A

BENEFICIAL PURPOSE, IT IS JUST BEING DISCHARGED INTO A

SURFACE WATER, WHEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN.

SO FOR INSTANCE -- I KNOW WE ARE JUMPING AHEAD, BUT,

FOR INSTANCE, IF WE FINDS A PROJECT THAT INCORPORATES

THE USE OF ALL OR A PORTION OF THE RECLAIMED WATER

WHICH IS WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO PUT IN OUR PLANS TO BE

SUBMITTED TO D EP, IT WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH A

STATUTE THAT IS NEARLY CREATED UNDER THIS LEGISLATION.

10:41:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST FOLLOW-ON.

ONE OF THE POSSIBILITIES THAT WE COULD TALK TO TAMPA

BAY ESTUARY AND SAY THAT THE FLOW OF THIS WATER IS

BENEFICIAL TO THE ESTUARY AND LIFE IN THE BAY.

IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE FORM?

OR DISCOUNTING THAT MUCH COMPLETELY AN SAY WE HAVE TO

USE IT FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE.

10:42:10 >> UNDER THE LEGISLATION THAT IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW,

THERE HAVEN'T BEEN -- IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED

BENEFICIAL.

WE WOULD HAVE TO ARGUE THAT POINT BUT THE PRESUMPTION

IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT BEING REUSED, THEN IT IS NOT

BENEFICIAL.

SO WE COULD -- I WOULDN'T PREDISPOSE OR PREVENT

ANYTHING FROM HAPPENING.

WE COULD ALWAYS ARGUE THAT IT'S A BENEFICIAL DISCHARGE

TO THE BAY, BUT UNDER THE RULES ON THE PAPER, UNDER THE

LEGISLATION, THAT WOULDN'T COUNT.

10:42:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, I SAW YOUR HAND FIRST.

10:42:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SEE A HAND ON THE TABLE THAT IS

IN THE WAR ROOM, I GUESS.

10:42:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SOMEBODY IS A HAND UP?

10:42:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM?

10:43:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BRAD, JOE, JEAN?

10:43:01 >> I DON'T SEE HANDS.

10:43:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THOUGHT I SAW A HAND .

10:43:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:43:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS MCLEAN PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO

ARE SAYING, WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?

WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR WATER, RECLAIMED WATER.

PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY DUMP IT INTO THE BAY.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE DO WITH USUALLY DO WITH THIS

TYPE OF WATER?

10:43:24 >> SURE.

WE DO HAVE A PORTION OF THE WASTEWATER TREATED IN OUR

WASTEWATER PLANT IS USED FOR RECLAIMED WATER.

WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS IN A PORTION OF SOUTH TAMPA

THAT HAS RECLAIMED WATER FOR IRRIGATION.

WE DO PROVIDE RECLAIMED WATER FOR SOME INDUSTRIES OVER

IN THE PORT AREA, AND WE PROVIDE RECLAIMED WATER TO THE

AVIATION AUTHORITY FOR THE AIRPORT PROPERTY.

AND I AM SURE THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL.

SO WE DO HAVE RECLAIMED WATER USE FOR INDUSTRIAL AND

IRRIGATION USE.

HOWEVER, WE DON'T USE ALL OF IT.

AND SO THE REMAINDER OF THAT WASTEWATER THAT IS TREATED

WITH ADVANCED TREATMENT IS DISCHARGED INTO HILLSBOROUGH

BAY IN COMPLIANCE, I MAY SAY, WITH FEDERAL AND STATE

ISSUED PERMITS FOR NATIONAL POLLUTION ELIMINATION.

SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

AND WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING LIKE THAT FOR MANY YEARS.

10:44:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE CAN ARGUE -- "WE" MEANING THE CITY

CAN ARGUE THAT THIS RECLAIMED WATER THAT WE HAVE BEEN

FILTERING BACK INTO THE BAY IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF

STORMWATER, JUST RUNNING -- WATER RUNNING OFF THE LAND

FROM FERTILIZERS AND FREE OF OILS AND OTHER TYPES OF

MINERALS THAT GO INTO THE BAY.

AND WE CAN ALSO ARGUE THAT OUR BAY IS PROBABLY THE

CLEANEST IT HAS BEEN IN THE LAST 40 YEARS BECAUSE OF

THIS.

AND WE CAN ALSO ARGUE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T

LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO LIVE IN OTHER CITIES

AROUND FLORIDA.

I AM GETTING TO A POINT.

THEY ARE DICTATING WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS DOING.

SO WE CAN ARGUE THAT THIS IS VIOLATING HOME RULE.

I WILL STOP THERE AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS NOD YES OR

NO.

10:45:17 >> I WILL JUST MOVE TONIGHT NEXT SECTION.

10:45:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET NEW THE CROSSHAIRS OF MY --

MY HOME RULE, BUT JUST --

10:45:25 >> NOT AT ALL.

10:45:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST MAKING MY SELF CLEAR.

10:45:28 >> NOT AT ALL.

I'M HERE AS A PUBLIC SERVANT IN A MUNICIPALITY THAT

PROTECTS OUR HOME RULE.

10:45:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.

10:45:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:45:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALONG WITH WHAT MR. CITRO SAID AND

MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT THE BAY IS JUST AS CLEAN AS IT

WAS IN THE '50S.

AND THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE IS EQUAL TO -- SUM IS EQUAL

TO OR GREATER THEN BECAUSE THE WATER WE HAVE PUT IN

THERE AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS SAID HERE YEARS AGO AND I

NOT CERTAIN AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL NUMBERS, BUT FROM

WHAT I REMEMBER, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS DONE AN

OUTSTANDING -- THIS IS AN ADVANCED TERTIARY TREATMENT

PLANT AND SOMETHING THAT FEW OTHERS HAVE THIS.

AND I HOPE I AM CORRECT.

THIS ADVANCED TERTIARY PLANT AND PACK IN DICK GRECO'S

FIRST ADMINISTRATION A $200 MILLION GRANT GIVEN TO THE

CITY AND ANOTHER CITY ACROSS THE BAY AND I AM NOT GOING

TO NAME IT AND THEY CHOSE TO GO INTO A DISTRIBUTION

SYSTEM WHICH IS FINE.

MAJOR GRECO CHOSE TO EXPAND THE PLAN BY 30 MILLION

GALLONS OR 25 MILLION GALLON, AND WE HAVE THE

CAPABILITY OF INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF -- LET'S FACE

IT.

NUMBER TWO WATER AND NUMBER ONE WATER AND ALL DIRTY

WATERS THAT GO THROUGH THAT COME OUT AT THE OTHER END

OF THAT TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANT AS PRISTINE AS YOU CAN

DROP A DIME FROM 18 FEET DOWN AND WATCH THE DIME GO ALL

THE WAY DOWN.

DRINKING WATER THERE?

NO, AND EQUAL TO 90% OF THE WORLD'S DRINKING WATER THAT

SOMEONE IS DRINKING SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WE DON'T WANT TO

DRINK THAT WATER 90% AND THE CITY OF TAMPA SITS ON A

VAST AMOUNT OF 55 TO 60 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF

RECLAIMED WATER IT IS USING NOW TO STABILIZE THE BAY

AND HAVE DONE THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND ALL THE

MAYORS HAVE DONE THAT, CONTINUED THAT PROCESS AND

CREDIT TO EVERY MAYOR WHO SERVED THE CITY OF TAMPA THEY

HAD THE FORESIGHT AND THE VISION TO DO THAT AND THANK

THE MAYORS AND THE CITIZENS FOR DOING THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:47:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO

SAY.

10:47:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST REAL FAST.

10:47:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZE.

10:47:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYBODY WHO DON'T WANT TO DRINK POOPY

WATER CALL THE GOVERNOR AND PROTECT HOME RULE AND ASK

THE GOVERNOR TO VETO THIS.

BUT THE SECOND THING -- AND WE CAN GET INTO THE WEEDS

MORE LATER, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE IN THE BEGINNING THERE

WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL EXEMPTION.

AND I KNOW LATER, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MINIMUM

FLOWS AND THE RIVER AND ALSO SALT WATER INTRUSION, BUT

DO YOU THINK HYPOTHETICALLY THAT AN ARGUMENT COULD BE

MADE THAT BASED ON WHAT MR. MIRANDA JUST SAID THAT THIS

CLEAN WATER PUT IN THE BAY HAVE HELPED REJUVENATE THE

BAY AND MY OTHER COLLEAGUE SAY THE BAY IS BETTER AND

COULD WE SAYS IT ALREADY AN ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT AND

NOT SPEND $1 BILLION.

10:48:42 >> LIKE YOU SAY, YOU GET A LAWYER YOU CAN MAKE ALL

KINDS OF ARGUMENTS.

10:48:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, THANK YOU.

10:48:51 >> I KNOW THE UPGRADE OF THE HOWARD F. CURRAN PLANT WAS

THE RECOVERY OF TAMPA BAY.

AND WE DID ACHIEVE THE ACRES OF SEAGRASSES THAT WERE

THERE IN THE BAY AS OF 1950 UP UNTIL A COUPLE OF YEARS

AGO, THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND I AM SURE EVERYBODY

HAS SEEN THE PRESS RELEASE AND WE HAVE LOST ACREAGE IN

SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND WE HAVE GOT -- THERE IS AN

AWESOME ORGANIZATION THAT THE CITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A

PARTICIPANT IN CALLED THE NITROGEN MANAGEMENT

CONSORTIUM THAT IS PART OF THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY

PROGRAM.

AND WE MET YESTERDAY TO TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC AMONG

OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE -- THE STATUS OF THE SEAGRASSES

AND WHAT COULD BE OCCURRING THAT COULD BE AFFECTING

THEM THAT WE WERE SEEING THE LOSS.

SO IT IS NOT IN THE LOCATIONS NECESSARILY OF --

TRUTHFULLY OF WHERE CURRAN IS CURRENTLY.

AND THERE WILL BE MORE DISCUSSION AS FAR AS WHAT THAT

DISCHARGE DOES OR DOES NOT PROVIDE TO THE BAY AS WE

MOVE ALONG.

BUT THE FOCUS OF THE BILL IS ESSENTIALLY -- NOT JUST

OUR DISCHARGE BUT ALSO OTHER DISCHARGES THAT MAY OR MAY

NOT COME TO BE THE LEVEL OF THE QUALITY OF WATER THAT

IS BEING DISCHARGED INTO THE BAY.

THE MERE FACT THAT IT IS BEING DISCHARGED AND NOT USED

IN THE BENEFICIAL MANNER THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS

IDENTIFIED THINKING THAT IT SHOULD BE USED WHETHER IT

IS RECLAIMED WATER FOR IRRIGATION, WHETHER RECLAIMED

WATER FOR INDIRECT OR DIRECT POTABLE REUSE, WHETHER IT

IS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL RESTORATION FOR WETLAND

ENHANCEMENT AND RESTORATION WHETHER TO MEET OR

PREVENTION STRATEGY FOR MINIMAL LEVELS.

ALL THE USES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS BEING BENEFICIAL

TO USE THE DISCHARGE THAT IS NOT NOW OTHERWISE BEING

USED IN THAT MANNER.

SOME THAT IS THE FOCUS OF WHAT THE BILL DOES, TAKE

YOUR DISCHARGE, WHOEVER YOU ARE AND WHATEVER LEVEL YOU

ARE TREATING IT AND USE IT IN A MANNER THAT IS

BENEFICIAL AND HERE ARE IDEAS OF HOW YOU CAN TUESDAY.

POPE IS THEN AND PUTTING IT IN PLAIN ENGLISH, SUBMIT A

MAN TO THE DEP ON NOVEMBER 1 HOW YOU ARE GOING TO USE

IT, HOW MUCH YOU ARE GOING TO USE IT, IF YOU FALL INTO

ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES I IDENTIFIED.

TELL US HOW MUCH YOU ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE.

AND BY WHAT DATE YOU ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE IT.

BUT NO LATER THEN 2032 MUST YOU HAVE THESE PROJECTS IN

PLACE SO THAT -- THAT THE CORE OF THE FIRST SECTION

WHICH EVERYBODY IS FOCUSED ON AND IS THE ONE THAT HAS

DRAWN THE MOST ATTENTION AS FAR AS GETTING -- HAVING

LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IMPLEMENT THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS

SHOULD I MOVE ON.

NEXT SECTION -- AND I HOPE I AM NOT SKIPPING ANYTHING.

WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND ASK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IF

SOMETHING COMES TO YOU AND WE CAN GO INTO IT MORE

DETAIL.

THE SECOND SECTION IS INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH FOCUSED ON

POTABLE REUSE.

"POTABLE REUSE" HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE LEGISLATION

THAT CAN BE USED AS A SOURCE OF WATER TO ASSIST FUTURE

WATER DEMANDS.

THEY, THE DEP HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO HAVE TECHNICAL

ADVISORY GROUP AND COORDINATE RULE MAKING AND REVIEW OF

RULES FOR POTABLE REUSE USE.

POTABLE REUSE IS IDENTIFIED AS AN ALTERNATIVE WATER

SUPPLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE DEFINITION 373019 WHICH

IS AN IMPORTANT STEP BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT POTABLE

REUSE PROJECTS ELIGIBLE FOR ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY

FUNDING AND MUST BE INCLUDED IN WATER SUPPLY PLANNING

FOR THE FUTURE.

THERE ALSO HAS BEEN A DIRECTION TO THE DEP AND THE

WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS TO ENTER INTO A MOU FOR

EXPEDITED PERMITTING THAT COULD BE USED VOLUNTARILY BY

APPLICANTS THAT ARE PROPOSING POTABLE REUSE PROJECTS.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THOUGH, AND THIS IS JUST WHERE I

LOOK AT THE DETAILS.

THE MOU MUST BE ENTERED INTO BY DECEMBER 31 OF '23.

BUT A LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO PROVIDE A PLAN TO DEP BY

NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

SO IF WE HAD A PROJECT THAT INCORPORATED POTABLE REUSE

AND WE WANTED TO AVAIL OURSELVES OF THE EXPEDITED

PERMITTING THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED UNDER THIS MOU, THAT

MIGHT NOT BE IN EXISTENCE FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

THE THIRD SECTION OF THE BILL -- AND THIS BILL HAS BEEN

ALIVE, BEEN UNDER DRAFT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS SO THIS

PORTION OF THE BILL WAS CREATED ABOUT A YEAR, A YEAR

AND A HALF AGO, AND WAS PART OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN

DEVELOPERS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

SO THIS IS THE SECTION THAT IS INCENTIVES FOR GRAY

WATER TECHNOLOGY.

AND IT SAY THAT'S A LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHALL AUTHORIZE

THE USE OF RESIDENTIAL -- RESIDENTIAL GRAY WATER

TECHNOLOGY MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLORIDA

BUILDING CODE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THAT THE

DEVELOPER AND THE HOME -- OR THE HOMEBUILDER RECEIVE

ALL APPLICABLE PERMITS AND AUTHORIZATIONS THERETO FOR

ITS USE.

THEY DO THAT, THEN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BUST PROVIDE

25% OF DENSITY OR INTENSITY BONUS TO THE DEVELOPER OR

HOMEBUILDER IF 75% OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOP OR EXISTING

DEVELOPMENT INSTALLS A GRAY WATER SYSTEM OR 35% BONUS

OF THE SAME DENSITY OR INTENSITY IF 100% IS PROPOSED IN

EXISTING OR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE THE GRAY

WATER TECHNOLOGY INSTALLED.

THESE BONUSES ARE IN ADDITION TO ANY BONUS PROVIDED BY

ANY COUNTY, MUNICIPALITY OR SPECIAL DISTRICT IN AN

ORDINANCE IN EFFECT AS OF JULY 1, 2021.

IN ORDER TO QUALIFY THE DEVELOPER OR HOMEOWNER MUST

CERTIFY THAT THE -- TO THE APPLICABLE GOVERNMENT

AGENCIES THAT PART OF THEIR APPLICATION FOR THE

DEVELOPER APPROVAL OR AMENDMENT IS 25% OF A SINGLE

FAMILY RESIDENCE IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT EACH WILL HAVE ITS OWN GRAY WATER SYSTEM.

IT IS NOT A GRAY WATER SYSTEM THAT GOES FROM HOUSE TO

HOUSE.

NOT LIKE A RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM.

EACH RESIDENCE WILL HAVE ITS OWN GRAY WATER SYSTEM FOR

ITS OWN USE.

MUST SUBMIT MANUFACTURER'S WARRANTY AND FUNCTION IN

DESIGN AS ANTICIPATED AND MUST IDENTIFY THE POTABLE

WATER SAVINGS FOR EACH UNIT.

THERE IS THE BASIS, ARGUABLY, AS TO WHY THIS SECTION IS

ACTUALLY IN THIS TYPE OF BILL BECAUSE OFFSETTING THE

USE OF POTABLE WATER BY INSTALLING THE GRAY WATER

SYSTEMS INTO RESIDENCES.

THEY ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE A MAINTENANCE -- IDENTIFY --

EXCUSE ME, IDENTIFY THE MAINTENANCE -- THE MAIN

RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER ONCE THE GRAY WATER

SYSTEM IS INSTALLED, THE HOMEOWNER MUST ATTAIN IT AND

PROVIDE THE HOME OPENER A MANUAL SO THE HOMEOWNER CAN

MAINTAIN IT.

IF ALL OF THE ABOVE IS MET, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUST

INCLUDE THOSE INCENTIVES AT THE TIME IT APPROVES THE

DEVELOPMENT OR AMENDMENT OF A DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

AND MUST INCLUDE A PROCESS TO VERIFY THE PURCHASE OF

EACH SYSTEM.

AND THAT IS THE THRUST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BILL AND

THE THREE MAJOR SECTIONS OF IT.

I KNOW WE WERE FOCUSING ON THE IDENTIFICATION OF USING

RECLAIMED WATER FOR POTABLE WATER, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY

MUCH BROADER THAN THAT.

AND I WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IF

YOU HAVE THEM AT THIS TIME.

10:57:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:57:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST ONE THING AND MAYBE A QUESTION

FOR IAN AND MARLEY INSTEAD OF YOU.

APOLOGIZE IF IT IS.

I HEARD FROM A LOT OF LOBBIES AROUND TALLAHASSEE THAT

THE SENATE PRESIDENT PUSHED THIS THROUGH.

WOULD NOT ALLOW QUESTIONS IN COMMITTEE.

AND AS OFTEN AS THE CASE, WE HAVE SEEN EXAMPLES THIS

YEAR ONCE THE LEADER PUSHES SOMETHING THROUGH, IT IS

VERY POSSIBLE THEN IN THE NEXT YEAR OR YEAR AFTER, THAT

WOULD BE WITHED.

10:58:19 >> DRAWN.

ANY IDEA IF -- IF THIS IS MAYBE WITHDRAWN NEXT YEAR OR

THE YEAR AFTER SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS?

10:58:33 >> THAT WOULD BE SPECULATIVE ON MY -- I CAN TELL THAT

YOU IN THE COURSE OF MY CAREER AND IN THE PARTICIPATION

AND THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, IF OFF SPEAKER OR

PRESIDENT THAT HAS PUT THE WEIGHT OF HIS OFFICE BEHIND

A BILL AND HAVE IT PASSED, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SPECULATE

THAT IT WOULD BE REPEALED.

10:58:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR MY COLLEAGUES.

IF YOU CAN TALK TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS IN TALLAHASSEE AS

WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION.

IF WE THINK IT WILL BE WITHDRAWN A YEAR OR TWO NOW

MAYBE DO THE BASICS WE NEED TO DO TO COMPLY, BUT THIS

-- OVER A 20-YEAR PERIOD A $1 BILLION INVESTMENT FOR

THE TAXPAYERS AND RATEPAYERS AND IF IT -- WE HAVE SEEN

OVER AND OVER AGAIN POLICIES IN TALLAHASSEE GET PASSED

AND THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION, THE PEOPLE JUMP FIRST WITH

THE BIG EXPENDITURE GET CHEATED OUT OF IT WHEN IN THIS

CASE SEEMS LIKE THE WATER IS HELPING THE BAY ALREADY.

IT IS GOING TO COST US A LOT MORE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE

WITH IT.

WE DON'T HAVE A SHORTAGE OF WATER AND WILL HAVE THE

OTHER PRESENTATION LATER. JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.


10:59:38 >> JAN MCLEAN:
ONE OF THE THINGS WE FIND ANY LOCAL

GOVERNMENT FINDS ITSELF CAUGHT IN IS THE REQUIREMENTS OF

THE PIECE OF LEGISLATION, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WOULDN'T

WANT TO IGNORE HOPING SPECULATIVELY THAT SOMETHING WOULD

HAPPEN TO AFFECT THE LEGISLATION IN LATER YEARS.

FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE THIS PLAN, ALBEIT A PLAN, THAT'S

STILL GOING TO TAKE RESOURCES TO PUT THE PLAN TOGETHER

AND MAKE THE IDENTIFICATION.

LUCKILY WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY

COULD INCORPORATE OUR RECLAIMED WATER.

SO WE ARE PROBABLY IN BETTER POINT FOR SUBMITTING THE

PLAN THAN A LOT OF OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO -- I WOULD NEVER ADVISE THAT WE

WAIT TO SEE IF ANYTHING WOULD HAPPEN IN TALLAHASSEE.

11:00:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 6.




11:00:41 >> JEAN DUNCAN:
GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS MORNING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT

RECLAIMED WATER, AND WE ARE HERE THIS MORNING WITH

OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS WHO WE'LL INTRODUCE TO GO FORWARD.

I'M JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR, AND WANT TO TAKE A VERY

BRIEF RECAP, IN PLANNING THIS WORKSHOP TODAY, AND THEN I

WILL HAND OFF TO THE OTHERS TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE

DETAILS WITH YOU THIS MORNING.

WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE TWO SEPARATE PowerPoint

PRESENTATIONS FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE, FOR EACH PORTION OF

THE WORKSHOP TODAY THAT ENCOMPASSES THE EXPERT PANEL, AS

WELL AS THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS INFORMATION WE ARE

WORKING ON AS WELL.

VERY QUICKLY JUST TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF

THE YEAR, PRECEDING THAT, WE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO

SWFWMD FOR FUNDING, YOU ARE NOW CALLING PURE.

AND WE CAME TO YOU IN JANUARY TO GIVE SOME DETAILS ABOUT

THAT CONCEPT, AND WE ALSO -- FUNDING FOR THE PLAN AND

DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT.

AND WE SCALED BACK OUR REQUEST TO $650,000, AND LAST

FEBRUARY WE CAME BACK, WITH REVISED FUNDING ALLOCATION

REQUEST, AND AGAIN, THIS CONVERSATION WITH ALL OF YOU ON

CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS APPROVED FOR DETAILED ANALYSIS AS

WELL AS HAVING AN INDEPENDENT BODY LOOK AT DATA ALREADY

PRODUCED THAT WOULD UTILIZE -- EACH FURTHER.




SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT ON THE TOPIC.

SO SINCE FEBRUARY, WE HAVE THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS, WE

PUT TOGETHER THE INDEPENDENT PANEL, BUT ALSO ON

ENGAGEMENT, FEEDBACK OF THE PUBLIC, TO YOU NEXT MONTH,

AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH SWFWMD FUNDING FOR A 30%

DESIGN, AND ALSO ACTIVITIES, THOSE BEING THAT WE WOULD

NEED TO ENSURE OUR PROJECT -- FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.

SO WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER AN INDEPENDENT PANEL.

THAT PANEL IS RESEARCH INSTITUTE, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL

OF THE COMMENTS, AND GIVE US FEEDBACK ON THE DOCUMENT.

WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL STAKEHOLDERS,

AND WE APPRECIATE THE INPUT WE RECEIVED FROM MANY OF YOU,

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE SIERRA CLUB, FRIENDS OF THE

RIVER, AND [~DISTORTION~] STAKEHOLDERS WHO WE HAVE BEEN

APPRECIATIVE TO HEAR YOUR INPUT.

SO WE REQUESTED INPUT FROM THEM, AND RECEIVED

[~DISTORTION~] WITH THOSE MEMBERS.

WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH BOTH GROUPS.

WE ALSO CONDUCTED A WORKSHOP WITH THE INDEPENDENT

ADVISORY PANEL.

WE ALSO WORKING WITH CONSULTANTS TO EVALUATE A WHOLE SET

OF SERVICE OPTIONS FOR THE PROJECT.

WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, AND A RESPONSE ON THE

PROJECT TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS WHAT ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO

CONSIDER GOING FORWARD.




THE STAKEHOLDERS FOR THE PROJECT -- EXCUSE ME -- AND KEEP

THEM INFORMED, AND CONTINUE TO HEAR YOUR INPUT AND

SUGGESTIONS.

WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO CONSULTING FIRMS FOR ENGAGEMENT,

SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND SHARE WITH YOU THE RESULTS NEXT

MONTH.

SO WITH THAT I AM GOING TO ASK TO GO INTO MORE DETAILS WE

ARE PRESENTING TODAY, INTRODUCE YOU TO SOME OF THE

EXPERTS WE HAVE HERE IN THE ROOM WITH US, AND AS WE GET

THROUGH THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.

11:07:01 >> THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE ORDER OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY, THE FIRST

PRESENTATION WILL BE FROM NWRI AND THE INDEPENDENT

ADVISORY PANEL THAT WAS SELECTED.

AND THE SECOND PRESENTATION WILL BE THE ALTERNATIVE

ANALYSIS, ACTUALLY THE GRAPH RESULTS OF THAT, AND

PROVIDED AN UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORT OF THE

CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP JUNE 24th, AND AFTER YOU HEAR

THE NWRI PRESENTATION YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HEARING AN

UPDATE ON THE NWRI FINAL RESULTS AT THE JUNE WORKSHOP,

TOGETHER WITH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH.

BUT IT'S CERTAINLY YOUR PLEASURE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT

MAKE THAT HAPPEN.




SO IN A MINUTE I WILL INTRODUCE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF

NWRI, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR THAT

WORK.

THIS WORK IS NOT THE END, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THE

ENVIRONMENTAL STAKEHOLDERS --

IT'S BEGINNING TO DEVELOP PLANS, DESIGNS, AND BUILD THE

PROJECT.

IT'S TO MAKE SURE FIRST THAT THE SCIENTIFIC WORK

PERFORMED TO DATE IS SOUND, AND THEN SECONDLY, I THINK

THE ROLE IS NOT TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE ANY PROJECT, BUT

TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE IT, TO ENSURE

PUBLIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY.

SO WE'LL USE YOUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO IMPROVE

THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO DATE.

SO WITH THAT, I AM PLEASED TO INTRODUCE KEVIN DAIGGER,

THE DIRECTOR OF WATER NATIONAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE, OR

NWRI, TO CONTINUE DEVELOP RECYCLED WATER AND INCREASE OUR

FACILITY.

BEFORE GOING TO NWRI, WAS GENERAL MANAGER OF THE

WASTEWATER AUTHORITY, PUBLIC AGENCY THAT PROVIDES

RECYCLED WATER, AND WASTEWATER THROUGH THE SURFACE IN

SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

HE IS PAST PRESIDENT OF CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION AND

AGENCIES AND CALIFORNIA FOUNDATION -- AUTHORITY.

AND HE IS JOINING US TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE NWRI




INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL PROCESS, AND THEN HE WILL ALSO

INTRODUCE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL,

GLEN DAIGGER, IF GLEN WILL COME UP ON SCREEN AS WELL,

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

WITH THAT, ON BEHALF OF CTTV, PLEASE PULL UP THE NWRI

PRESENTATION AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KEVIN HARDY.

11:10:41 >> KEVIN HARDY:
THANK YOU, BRAD.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

I AM KEVIN HARDY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL

WATER RESEARCH INSTITUTE, AND WE ARE HONORED AND HUMBLED

TO JOIN YOU THIS MORNING, INTRODUCE YOU TO NWRI AND TO

THE CHAIR NWRI INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL THAT IS SERVING

THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE TAMPA PURE PROJECT.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING THERE WITH YOU IN PERSON SOON

AND WISH WE COULD HAVE BEEN THERE TODAY, BUT VIDEO WILL

HAVE TO DO.

SO LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NWRI.

IT WAS FOUNDED IN 1991 BY FORWARD THINKING CITIZENS HERE

IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

WE ARE A 501(C)3 NONPROFIT THAT'S BASED IN FOUNTAIN

VALLEY, IN CENTRAL ORANGE COUNTY.

WE ARE GOVERNED BY A 6-MEMBER BOARD OF DIRECTORS

COMPRISED OF BOTH ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS ACROSS

THE LOS ANGELES AND ORANGE COUNTY GROUNDWATER BASIN.




OUR FOUNDERS HAVE A SHARED VISION OF INSTITUTE WITHOUT

WALLS, INTENTIONALLY DIVERSE COMMUNITY OF THOUGHT

LEADERS, INNOVATORS AND FOCUSED ON IMPROVING WATER

RESOURCES SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY AND POLICY TO CREATE NEW

HEALTHY SOURCES OF WATER TO SUPPORT RAPIDLY GROWING

REGIONS LIKE TAMPA.

TODAY 30 YEARS LATER THE SUN IN SITS ON THE WORK AROUND

THE GLOBE.

IN FACT IN ADDITION TO THIS GREAT WORK WE ARE DOING IN

FLORIDA, WE HAVE RECENT ENGAGEMENTS ACROSS ALL OF

NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, ARIZONA, COLORADO,

IDAHO, MARYLAND, NEW MEXICO AND WASHINGTON STATE.

WE ALSO WORK INTENTLY WITH THE ISRAELI NATIONAL WATER

COMPANY, AND THE JAPANESE FEDERAL MINISTRY AND TRADE

INDUSTRY.

SO WHAT IS NWRI?

IT'S THE NATION'S COLLABORATIVE RESOURCE FOR THE

ADVANCEMENT OF WATER RESOURCES, SCIENCE, POLICY

INNOVATION, THE INDEPENDENT ADVISORY SERVICES PROVIDER OF

CHOICE FOR CHALLENGING WATER QUALITY, WATER RESOURCE

MANAGEMENT, AND RELATED INNOVATION ISSUES.

AND WE PROVIDE INSIGHT AND UNDERSTANDING OF CURRENT

TRADITIONS IN WATER SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.

WE ARE PROUD TO HAVE THE CITY OF TAMPA GROWING

INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT




ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE CONFRONTING REGIONAL WATER RISKS

DIRECTLY.

NEXT SLIDE.

PROVIDE EXPERT REVIEW OF COMPLEX MULTI-BENEFIT WATER

RESOURCE PROGRAMS ACROSS THESE GREAT UNITED STATES THAT

ARE NOT UNLIKE THE TAMPA PURE PROJECT.

EVERY PANEL IS CREATED, ADMINISTERED AND FACILITATED BY

NWRI TO MEET THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECT SPECIFIC NEEDS OF

ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS, ENGINEERS AND OTHER

TECHNICAL PROFESSIONALS, AND STATE AND FEDERAL

REGULATORS, ALONG WITH STAKEHOLDERS WHERE IT'S

APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.

AND LEGACY IN EVERY COMMUNITY WE SERVE IS MEANINGFUL

PRACTITIONERS TO HELP CITIZENS MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS

THAT PRODUCE COMMUNITY APPROPRIATE INVESTMENTS IN WATER

RESOURCES AND IN PUBLIC ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.

THE PANEL ASSEMBLED FOR THE TAMPA PURE PROJECT INCLUDES

EXPERTS WITH RELEVANT REGIONAL, NATIONAL AND

INTERNATIONAL CREDENTIALS AND INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE.

THESE EXPERTS INCLUDE CHAIRMAN GLEN DAIGGER FROM THE

UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN.

ALSO INCLUDES WENDY GRAHAM, DIRECTOR OF THE UNIVERSITY OF

FLORIDA'S WATER INSTITUTE.

JOAN ROSE FROM MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY WHO IS NOT ONLY

A CLARK PRIZE LAUREATE FROM NWRI BUT ALSO A RECIPIENT OF




THE STOCKHOLM HOME WATER.

MATT SIMCIK, MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN CHEMICAL SOCIETY AND

PROFESSOR OF THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

SAM UPCHURCH, A FLORIDIAN, ONE OF OUR EXPERTS AS WELL.

AND ROUNDING OUT THE PANEL IS MIKE WEHNER, FORMER

ASSISTANT MANAGER OF THE ORANGE COUNTY WATER MANAGEMENT

DISTRICT HERE IN CALIFORNIA AND WHO IS AN EXPERT BOTH IN

PUBLIC HEALTH AND IN PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE AROUND WATER

RECYCLING ISSUES.

WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THE SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL ISSUES

PRESENTED AT THEIR INITIAL MEETING ON MAY 13, 2021.

REPRESENTING NWRI EXPERT ADVISORY PANEL FOR THE TAMPA

PURE PROJECT HERE TODAY IS GLEN DAIGGER, THE PANEL'S

CHAIR.

ALSO THE SANITATION ROSE DISTRICT OR SWIFT PROJECT.

MR. DAIGGER IS A MEMBER OF THE FACULTY OF UNIVERSITY OF

MICHIGAN, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL

ACADEMY OF ENGINEERS, AND AMONG THE MOST DISTINGUISHED

AND EXPECTED WATER REUSE PRACTITIONERS IN THE UNITED

STATES.

IT'S NOW MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE GLEN BUT I WANT TO

ACKNOWLEDGE THE HARD WORK OF MS. MCLEAN, MR. BAIRD, MRS.

WEBER, MR. PARK AND THE WHOLE TEAM IN TAMPA.

THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PULLING TOGETHER A LOT OF

COMPLEX INFORMATION IN A WAY THAT WAS VERY UNDERSTANDABLE




AND VERY EFFECTIVE FOR THE PANEL.

AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR SUPPORT ON THE PANEL DOING THIS

VERY IMPORTANT WORK.

WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO YOUR CHAIRMAN, DR. GLEN

DAIGGER.

11:16:17 >> THANK YOU, KEVIN.

JUST MAKE SURE THAT MY VOICE IS COMING THROUGH WITH THE

SYSTEM HERE.

GREAT.

SO I WILL SAY FIRST OF ALL FOR THE PANEL THAT WE ALL

APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE OF SERVICE, LOOKING AT

THIS VERY INTERESTING AND INNOVATIVE APPROACH TO MANAGING

QUITE A COMPLEX OF WATER SUPPLY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

AS KEVIN ARTICULATED AND MR. BAIRD BEFORE HIM, OUR ROLE

IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE, AND PROVIDE

OUR EXPERTISE, OUR KNOWLEDGE AND OUR ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF

OH-I THINK IT'S BEEN ARTICULATED, IT'S STILL IN A

FORMATIVE STAGE.

I THINK FOR THE PANEL WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE TO BE

INVOLVED AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO LEND ASSISTANCE TO THE

CITY AS IT LOOKS TO TAKE THIS CONCEPT AND FURTHER DEVELOP

IT.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE NEXT SLIDES LISTS OUR BRIEF, WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED

TO DO, WHICH IS REVIEW AND ASSESS THE SCIENTIFIC




TECHNICAL POLICY VALIDITY OF THE TAMPA PURE PROJECT,

EVALUATE THE TAMPA PURE PRODUCT WATER QUALITY, WITH

SUITABILITY AS A RESOURCE FOR THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH

RIVER, MINIMUM FLOWS AND THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR

AUGMENTATION, AND REVIEW AND ASSESS THE SCIENTIFIC AND

TECHNICAL VALIDITY OF THE SEAWAT GROUNDWATER MODEL WHICH

IS THE MATHEMATICAL MODEL BEING USED TO EVALUATE THE

RECHARGE AND RECOVERY OF THE WATER, ADJACENT TO THE

HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE WAY WE ARE SPECIFICALLY DOING THIS, THE CITY OF TAMPA

WORKING WITH NWRI HAS CRAFTED THIS INTO FOUR SPECIFIC

QUESTIONS.

I WON'T READ THEM SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU WILL

SEE THAT THEY TAKE THE OVERALL BRIEF AND TURN THESE INTO

SOME SPECIFIC -- MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

AND OUR REPORT WILL LARGELY THEN PROVIDE RESPONSES TO

THESE QUESTIONS.

SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE FROM US IN THE REPORT WILL BE AN

INTRODUCTION AND SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN

FOLLOWING THAT FOUR SPECIFIC SECTIONS SPECIFICALLY

ADDRESSING EACH OF THESE FOUR QUESTIONS WITH A RESPONSE,

WITH THE NARRATIVE, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT

COME FROM THAT.

SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING.




IN TERMS OF PROGRESS, AS WAS INDICATED, THE FIRST MEETING

OF THE PANEL WITH STAFF WAS MAY 13th.

WE WERE GIVEN SOME MATERIAL BEFORE THAT, ABOUT A WEEK

BEFORE THAT, SO WHERE THE PANEL IS AT IS JUST IN THE

DETAILED PHASE OF OUR ANALYSIS, AND BEGINNING BY THE

INDIVIDUAL PANEL MEMBERS TO ASSEMBLE THEIR COMMENTS AND

ANALYSIS, WHICH WE WILL BE PUTTING INTO THE DRAFT REPORT.

THIS NEXT WEEK, WE WILL HAVE THAT ASSEMBLED AND THEN AS A

PANEL WILL BE MOVING THIS TOWARDS OUR CONSENSUS REPORT.

THIS IS A CONSENSUS REPORT, SO WHAT WE WILL PROVIDE TO

YOU IS THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP.

IF THERE ARE DIFFERING OPINIONS WE WILL INDICATE THAT,

BUT THE INTENT IS TO COME TO A CONSENSUS AS MUCH AS

POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF RESPONDING TO THESE QUESTIONS.

WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO STAFF AND THEN ISSUE A FINAL

REPORT.

I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER SLIDE.

AND THIS SUMMARIZES WHAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU AS AN OVERVIEW.

WE ARE GATHERING COMMENTS FROM THE PANEL, DRAFTING THAT

INTO A REPORT, AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REACHING

CONSENSUS, CLARIFYING WITH THE CITY THAT WE HAVE UNDER

THE SITUATION, ISSUING A FINAL REPORT BY THE END OF JUNE.

SO THE FINAL REPORT SHOULD INCLUDE A CONSENSUS RESPONSE

TO THE PANEL CHARGE QUESTIONS.

AND EXAMINE THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAKEHOLDERS QUESTIONS AND




CONCLUSIONS.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO THOSE SPECIFICALLY BUT

THAT WILL INFORM OUR ANALYSIS TO SEE THAT WE HAVE

RESPONDED TO THOSE AT LEAST IN CONTENT AND IN SPIRIT, IN

THE CONTEXT, OVERALL REPORT, AND AGAIN YOU WILL HAVE THAT

BY THE END OF JUNE.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT.

I THINK AGAIN FROM THE PANEL'S PERSPECTIVE, IN OUR

INTERIM DISCUSSIONS, WE ARE QUITE PLEASED TO BE AT THIS

STAGE OF THE PROJECT.

AND QUITE WHERE WE ARE EXPERIENCE OUR EXPERIENCE TELLS US

THAT WE CAN OFTENTIMES BE QUITE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF

OUTSIDE VIEW OF VERY EXPERIENCED PEOPLE TO OFFER

SUGGESTIONS IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO AT

THIS POINT FURTHER CLARIFY AND IDENTIFY THE STRONGEST

PROJECT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

11:23:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I BELIEVE MR. DINGFELDER WILL BE FIRST.

WE'LL GO WITH MR. DINGFELDER, MR. CARLSON, AND MR. VIERA.

11:23:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU, DR. DAIGGER, IS IT?

11:23:49 >> DAIGGER.

SOME PEOPLE THINK TIGER BUT PUT AN D IN THERE.

11:23:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DROP THE A.

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I HAD WITH THIS PROPOSED PROJECT IS

THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON OUR UNIQUE COST GEOLOGY, AND I AM




SURE THAT STAFF SHARES THAT CONCERN.

I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN MANY STUDIES OVER THE YEARS.

I DID NOT SEE THAT IN YOUR LIST OF THE THREE MAIN

SUBJECTS THAT WERE ON YOUR LIST, AND MR. HARDY, FEEL FREE

TO CHIME IN AS WELL.

AND/OR MR. BAIRD.

BUT IF IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ADDED

TO THE LIST, BRAD AND JEAN.

SO SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT.

IS IT ON THE LIST?

AND, IF NOT, WOULD IT BE A BIG DEAL TO ADD IT TO THE

LIST?

BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT -- WELL,

IT'S ONE OF THE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK THAT

THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT, IS WHAT IS THE

LONG-TERM IMPACT TO THE CARST GEOLOGY UNDER THESE MANY

SQUARE MILES THAT WE WOULD BE PUMPING TENS OF MILLIONS OF

GALLONS OF TREATED WATER UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE?

11:25:18 >> THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THAT IT IS THERE, IT IS PART AND

PARCEL, THE KEY WORDS ARE THE -- AT LEAST SOME OF THE KEY

WORDS ARE THE EVALUATION OF THE SEAWAT MODEL.

BUT THIS IS A MATHEMATICAL MODEL FOR THAT AQUIFER SYSTEM,

AND THE PORTION OF IT THAT WOULD BE INFLUENCED BY THE

RECHARGE AND RECOVERY.

SO OCTOBER TO REVIEW THE MODEL, YOU NEED TO REVIEW THOSE,




AND OUR REVIEWING THE IMPACTS.

ALTHOUGH THE WORDS ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY THERE, IT IS

ABSOLUTELY A PORTION OF IT, AS WELL AS PHYSICAL CHEMICAL

CHANGES THAT WOULD OCCUR BECAUSE THAT'S PART AND PARCEL

TO THE ANALYSIS, AS WELL AS THE WATER COMING OUT IN THE

BIOLOGICAL CHEMICAL REACTIONS THAT AFFECT THE CHEMICAL OF

THE WATER COMING OUT, WHICH THEN AFFECTS ITS IMPACTS ON

THE RIVER AND RESERVOIR.

11:26:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I AM OBVIOUSLY NOT OVERLY WELL VERSED

IN WHAT THE SEAWAT MODEL IS, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR

ANSWER, AND I WILL LOOK VERY, VERY CLOSELY AT THE

PRELIMINARY AND FINAL REPORTS TO MAKE SURE THAT MY

QUESTIONS AND THE COMMUNITY'S QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.

AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT NOT ONLY THE PHYSICAL

DYNAMICS OF THE CARST GEOLOGY BUT ALSO ANY CHEMICAL

IMPACTS.

THANK YOU.

11:27:01 >>BRAD BAIRD:
TWO OF THE MEMBERS --

11:27:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I SEE THEM.

WE HAVE A GATOR.

WE ALREADY START AHEAD, BRAD, BECAUSE WE HAVE A GART ON

THERE.

I SAW BOTH OF THEIR NAMES AND I LOOKED UP THEIR

CREDENTIALS AND I AM GLAD THAT THEY HAVE LOCAL CARST

CREDENTIALS.




THANK YOU.

11:27:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON.

11:27:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS, MR. DAIGGER.

I LISTENED TO ALMOST ALL THE COMMITTEE MEETING THE OTHER

DAY, ALMOST THREE OR FOUR HOURS.

I JUST WANT TO TELL THE WATER STAFF, CITY WATER STAFF, I

WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH DID PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE, AND

TO YOUR ORGANIZATION ALSO.

I SHOULD SAY THANK YOU.

IT WAS A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE.

I HAD A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AROUND

THE TABLE.

THEY ASKED VERY TOUGH QUESTIONS.

ONE PERSON ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT ARSENIC, FOR EXAMPLE.

THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CARST ENVIRONMENT.

THEY ALL HAD DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON LOOKING AT THIS.

SO I THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE REVIEWING THIS WITH THE

COMMITTEE IS A GREAT IDEA.

IT IS AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST MEETING I LISTENED TO

PROVIDING OBJECTIVITY.

I TALKED TO SOME FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ALSO LISTENED

TO IT AND THEY HAD CONFIDENCE WITH THE COMMITTEE THAT'S

LISTENING TO THIS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE REPORT.

MY CONCERNS ABOUT IT, IF I COULD JUST LIST THREE CONCERNS

AND MAYBE DR. DAIGGER OR SOMEBODY TO RESPOND.




DR. DAIGGER, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD GOING BACK MONTHS

AGO, IS PURE A PROCESS OR A PROJECT?

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION EARLIER, BUT

IF WE DO THIS, IT WILL BE IN PART BECAUSE THE STATE IS

FORCING US TO DO IT.

AND SO IF THE STATE HAS IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE

TO MATCH, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES, AND

BASIC SCIENTIFIC METHOD WE LEARNED IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL,

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS,

YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT'S SAFEST FOR THE ENVIRONMENT FOR

HUMANS, WHAT'S THE MOST ECONOMICAL, AND THEN FROM THOSE

CHOICES YOU LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEN YOU PICK A

CHOICE.

IF PURE IS A PROCESS, THEN WE WILL PRESENT MULTIPLE

ALTERNATIVES, AND WE'LL GET FEEDBACK FROM AN INDEPENDENT

PANEL LIKE YOURS ON THE ALTERNATIVES.

WAY HEARD THE OTHER DAY IS THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE PURE WAS

MORE LIKE A PROJECT, IT IS A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT WAS

BEING PRESENTED.

YOU ARE ASKING TO GET FEEDBACK ON A SPECIFIC PROJECT, NOT

THE ALTERNATIVES.

SO I WONDER, MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I WILL JUST

RATTLE OFF THE OTHER TWO REAL FAST, IN YOUR PROCESS, ARE

YOU GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS, OR

ARE YOU JUST LOOKING AT PURE AS A PROJECT?




NUMBER TWO, IT SEEMED LIKE THE COMMITTEE WAS VERY

CONFUSED MANY TIMES THAT THE DATA THAT WAS BEING

PRESENTED WAS FROM TAP, AND CITY STAFF HAD TO KEEP

CLARIFYING THAT MUCH OF THE RESEARCH HAD BEEN DONE FOR

TAP, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

AND THAT PART OF THAT DATA WAS APPLICABLE OR PART OF IT

WASN'T.

DO YOU THINK THAT THERE MAY BE CONTINUED CONFUSION AMONG

THE PANEL ABOUT LOOKING AT TAP VERSUS PURE?

AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT REALLY CONCERNED ME IS --

AND THIS GETS BACK TO THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS -- OUR

REGIONAL REGULATORS, SWFWMD, IS GIVING US LESS MONEY AND

IS ESSENTIALLY DEMANDING THAT WE PARTNER WITH OUR

REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY, TAMPA BAY WATER, AND IN THE WHOLE

THREE HOURS OR SO THAT I LISTENED TO THE PRESENTATION THE

OTHER DAY, I HAD NEVER HEARD THE COMMITTEE BRIEFED ON THE

FACT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WHOLESALE WATER SUPPLIER.

SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT, FOR EXAMPLE, REDUCING SALTWATER

INTRUSION IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST BUY

THE 11 OR 12 MGD SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PUMP THAT AT ALL?

WHY DO WE NEED TO PUMP THIS OTHER WAY?

SO AS THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS ARE PRESENTED, ARE YOU ALL

GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THEM, AND HAS ANYBODY MENTIONED OR

DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A MENTION OF THE REGIONAL

WATER SUPPLY AS PART OF THE SOLUTION?




THANK YOU.

11:31:10 >> IN TERMS OF WORKING BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT, WHETHER

THIS IS A PROJECT OR PROCESS, I THINK THE CITY STAFF WILL

NEED TO RESPOND TO THAT.

BUT IN TERMS OF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED,

WHETHER IT WAS IN THE WORKSHOP DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP,

OR THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, FIRST OF ALL, YES, WE ARE --

WE WERE PROVIDED WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, THAT TAMPA

BAY WATER DOES EXIST, AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION, THERE

WERE ALTERNATIVES, BROADER SENSE OF ALTERNATIVES,

EVALUATED, INCLUDING PURCHASE OF WATER FROM TAMPA BAY

WATER.

SO IN TERMS OF YOUR LAST QUESTION, WE ARE AWARE -- WE ARE

AWARE THAT THAT OPTION EXISTS AND ALTERNATIVES HAVE IN

THE PAST BEEN EVALUATED.

WITH REGARD TO TAP VERSUS PURE, I THINK THE DISCUSSION

THERE, CERTAINLY ANY TECHNICAL WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, NO

MATTER UNDER WHAT BANNER, TECHNICAL WORK THAT'S RELEVANT,

IS RELEVANT.

SO I THINK THE COMMENT REALLY WAS CLARIFYING US MAKING

SURE THAT WE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE PRESSURE PURE

PROJECT IS, SO THAT THE -- I THINK WE GENERALLY

UNDERSTAND THAT THIS TAP PROJECT WAS ITSELF BEING

EVALUATED IN THE PAST.

WE WANTED TO SEPARATE OUT, CLEARLY UNDERSTAND, WHAT THE




PURE PROJECT ENTAILS, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, AND THEN

ANY RELEVANT INFORMATION, NO MATTER WHERE IT'S PRODUCED,

IF IT'S RELEVANT, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER UNDER WHAT

MANNER, LOOKING AT THE TECHNICAL CONTENT OF THE

INFORMATION.

SO I THINK THIS DISCUSSION YOU HEARD WAS JUST KIND OF

SORTING OUT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE SOME OF

THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE PROVIDED WITH HAVE VERY

RELEVANT TECHNICAL INFORMATION, BUT HAD THE WORD TAP

RATHER THAN PURE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT

WAS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE PURE PROJECT.

11:34:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BEFORE YOU GO ON, I NEED TO GET MR.

CARLSON'S FIRST QUESTION ANSWERED.

I THINK THAT'S REAL IMPORTANT FOR THIS COUNCIL, AND IF

YOU HAVE BEEN PAID TO BE A CONSULTANT AND YOU DON'T KNOW

THE ANSWER THEN WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF ANSWER THAT

QUESTION.

MR. CARLSON.

11:34:18 >> THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WAS TO GO BACK AND ASK STAFF

TO COMMENT IN TERMS OF HOW THIS FITS INTO THE OVERALL

PICTURE.

11:34:28 >>BILL CARLSON:
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS

COMMITTEE, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT COMMITTEE, ARE THEY

GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE ALTERNATIVES OR JUST ONE




PROJECT?

11:34:37 >> WHAT THE CHARGE IS, JUST TO EVALUATE TECHNICAL

INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER.

WE WERE VERY AWARE IN THE WORKSHOP WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING

AT WAS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES, [INDISCERNIBLE] BEING

EVALUATED.

SO THE INDEPENDENT ADVISORY COUNCIL IS DOING IS THEY ARE

LOOKING AT TECHNICAL INFORMATION THAT COULD BE USED FROM

ALL FOUR ALTERNATIVES, BY CONTROL, MONITORING, AND

PROTECTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, THE ENHANCED -- THAT

COULD BE USED AND SHOULD BE USED FOR ANY ALTERNATIVE.

IF WE HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVES, WHETHER IT'S POTABLE WATER,

[~DISTORTION~] AND TO LOOK AT AS WELL.

SO THERE ARE COMPONENTS OF WHAT WE STATED PREVIOUSLY THAT

APPLY --

SO THAT'S THE WORK THE INDEPENDENT PANEL IS DOING, SO

THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE PIECES, SAY

AND THEY ARE ALSO LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES AS A WHOLE.

BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY DOING AN ANALYSIS ON BEHALF OF THE

OTHER ALTERNATIVES NEED TO BE DONE AS WELL, AND THAT'S

WHY WE HAVE -- TO ADDRESS THESE MULTIPLE ALTERNATIVES.

IT IS A PROJECT, BUT HAS MULTIPLE ALTERNATIVES.

11:36:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

11:36:50 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND DR.

DAIGGER, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.




YOU HAVE BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL AND I JUST WANT TO THANK

YOU FOR THAT, SIR, FOR EVERYBODY WHO IS HERE.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE EXPERTS.

AS AN ATTORNEY IN CIVIL LITIGATION AND TRIAL ATTORNEY,

YOU ALWAYS LOOK TO HAVE THE BEST EXPERTS FOR THE JURY,

AND I APPRECIATE YOU AND OTHERS EXPERTISE.

AND WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT DIALOGUE AND TALKING WITH

DIFFERENT GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS, SIERRA LEAGUE

OBVIOUSLY VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER BRINGS UP I THINK IS SOME VERY GOOD

ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

SOMETHING THAT I WAS DISCUSSING WITH THE STAFF YESTERDAY

IS THE INVOLVEMENT OF CITY STAFF TALKING WITH OUR

FRIENDS, BECAUSE WE HEAR A LOT FROM OUR FRIEND AT TAMPA

BAY WATER ON THE PURE PROJECT, OR REGIONAL IDEAS AND

SOLUTIONS, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JAN OR

SOMEONE FROM CITY STAFF CAN ANSWER.

BUT IS THERE ANY SORT OF A DIALOGUE OCCURRING WITH OUR

FRIENDS OVER AT TAMPA BAY WATER AT ALL?

11:37:56 >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A RESPONSE BY STAFF.

11:38:08 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.

THAT'S WHY I WAS GIVING YOU ALL THOSE COMPLIMENTS BEFORE,

SIR.

11:38:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
TURN YOUR MIKE ON, JAN.

TURN YOUR MIKE ON.




11:38:22 >>JAN MCLEAN:
OKAY.

JAN MCLEAN FOR THE LORD, OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE NOT ENGAGING IN A DIALOGUE

WITH STAFF OF TAMPA BAY WATER.

THEY SAID THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE IF WE WANT TO GIVE THEM

A CALL AND HAVE INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSIONS, BUT THEY ACTUALLY

WERE AWAITING FOR THE CITY TO IDENTIFY AN ALTERNATIVE,

AND THAT WAY THEY COULD FOCUS THE DIALOGUE ON THAT

ALTERNATIVE.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE MOST CORRECT

CHARACTERIZATION OF WHERE WE STAND WITH STAFF FOR TAMPA

BAY WATER.

WE ARE KIND OF WAITING -- THEY ARE KIND OF WAITING FOR US

TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT WE ARE DOING GOING FORWARD.

11:39:13 >>LUIS VIERA:
SO THEY ARE WAITING FOR US TO HAVE A

RESOLUTION OF THIS ISSUE WHICH I THINK MAY VERY WELL TAKE

A LONG TIME AND WHATNOT, AND I JUST MAKE THAT INQUIRY.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE USEFUL AND WHATNOT.

AND I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO HAVE IT PREDICATED IN A

RESOLUTION FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WHEN THAT DIALOGUE

COULD BE PART OF OUR RESOLUTION, RESPECTIVELY.

11:39:39 >>JAN MCLEAN:
AND I THINK ONCE YOU HEAR THE PRESENTATION

ON THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE

DEPTH AND BREADTH OF THE ALTERNATIVES BEING PUT FORWARD

THAT ACTUALLY DON'T INCLUDE TAMPA BAY WATER.




SO BECAUSE LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, I AM JUST GOING TO THROW

ONE OUT THERE, I AM WAITING FOR THE ROOM TO OPEN UP, BUT

IF WE THEY'RE WAS A CONSIDERATION OF EXPLAINING OUR

RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM FOR IRRIGATION, THAT WOULDN'T

INCORPORATE ANY KIND OF CONSIDERATION BY THE TAMPA BAY

WATER AUTHORITY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT TRIPPING ANYTHING

THAT'S IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

SO I COULD CONCEDE MAYBE THEIR POSITION, BUT ARE THERE

OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WE COULD AT LEAST GENERALLY

DISCUSS?

BUT THAT'S WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.

11:40:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU CAN RECOGNIZED.

11:40:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT REAL FAST.

I THINK WHAT MS. MCLEAN SAID IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE.

I HEARD THAT THERE WAS A MISCONCEPTION BECAUSE OF A

COMMENT THAT CHUCK HART, INTERIM GENERAL MANAGER AT TAMPA

BAY WATER MADE TO HIS BOARD, WHERE HE SAID THAT THEY

WANT -- WE GOT A COLLEAGUE ON THE BOARD HERE, BUT HE SAID

THAT HE WANTED TO WAIT AND HEAR WHAT CITY STAFF CAME BACK

WITH.

I CALLED THEM TO CLARIFY THAT, AND HE SAID WHAT MS.

MCLEAN JUST SAID WAS THEY ARE AVAILABLE ANYTIME CITY

STAFF WANTS TO TALK.

THEY ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO EVALUATE ANY SPECIFIC

PROPOSALS, BUT IF THE CITY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT




COLLABORATING, THEY CAN.

AND I ALSO TALKED TO CHUCK WEBER, WHO HAS HAD

CONVERSATIONS, ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, I KNOW MS. DUNCAN

AND OTHERS HAVE AS WELL.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT STAFF HAS BEEN HAVING THOSE

CONVERSATIONS.

I HOPE THEY CONTINUE IT.

I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.

IF IT ENDS UP WE DON'T NEED TO PARTNER WITH THEM, GREAT.

BUT IF THERE IS A REGIONAL SOLUTION I THINK THAT'S WHAT

OUR REGIONAL PARTICIPATES WOULD APPRECIATE AND ALSO WOULD

BE AT LEAST FROM WHAT I KNOW WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT

FISCALLY.

THANK YOU.

11:41:46 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
IF I COULD COMMENT ON THAT.

JEAN DUNCAN.

I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE [~DISTORTION~] BEING DISCUSSED

WITH STAFF FOR -- IN REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

SO WE ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING THAT IN PROCESS.

THANK YOU.

11:42:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE ORION

PRESENTATION FOR ITEM 6?

HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR ITEM 6?

11:42:31 >>BRAD BAIRD:
I'M SORRY.

DO WE WANT TO START WITH THE NEXT PRESENTATION?




11:42:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF IT WILL GET US TO 12 AND GET THE

ITEM NUMBER 7, HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE FOR YOUR

PRESENTATION?

11:42:53 >>BRAD BAIRD:
I WILL INTRODUCE THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS

TEAM HERE AND PROVIDE YOU BACKGROUND ITEMS TO ADD TO WHAT

JEAN SAID EARLIER.

BASED ON SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND DETAILS -- AND THE

SELECTED FIRM PROCESS AND ANALYSIS, REQUIREMENTS IN TAMPA

BAY AREA WATER RESOURCES KNOWLEDGE.

AND I AM GOING TO SAY IT MADE IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO

SELECT A FIRM OR TEAM TO SUBMIT, TO BE PART OF A DESIGN

BUILD TEAM THAT WOULD DESIGN AND BUILD THE SELECT

PROJECT.

SO THAT WAS COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S, A REQUEST FROM YOU, AND

WE WANTED TO HONOR THAT.

THE SELECTION PROCESS RESULTED IN SBE, AND WITH THAT, I

WILL INTRODUCE THE LEADERS TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION.

FIRST, WE HAVE ACROSS FROM ME IS SUZY, THE OWNER OF --

CONSULTING AND WAS PREVIOUSLY A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER

WITH TAMPA BAY WATER.

AND THEN TO HER RIGHT WE HAVE -- A SPECIAL ENGINEERED

WITH APPLIED SCIENCES, AND PREVIOUSLY THE ASSISTANT

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITH SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER

MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

SO MARK WILL BE LEADING OFF WITH THE PRESENTATION.




SO IF WE COULD HAVE PULLED UP THE MARKET ANALYSIS

PRESENTATION.

MARK, TAKE IT AWAY.

11:45:15 >> MARK:
THANK YOU, BRAD.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MARK --

AND IN A FEW MINUTES I WILL BE TURNING IT OVER TO SUZY

FOLSOM, PRESENTING THE WORK DONE ON THE ALTERNATIVES

ANALYSIS.

NEXT SLIDE.

WE VOTED ALTERNATIVES, TO EVALUATE THE ALTERNATIVES TO

SOLVE THESE THREE PROBLEMS THE CITY HAS FACED, THE

ELIMINATION OF RECLAIMED WATER DISCHARGE FROM HOWARD F.

CURREN.

TWO, COMPLIANCE WITH THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER MINIMUM

FLOWS AND LEVELS.

THREE, SUSTAINABILITY OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR

AS A WATER SOURCE FOR THE DAVID L. TIPPIN WATER TREATMENT

FACILITY DURING PERIODIC DROUGHTS.

AND ALLOW THE CITY PERMITTED FOR.

NEXT SLIDE.

THE BACKGROUND, THE CITY OF TAMPA'S PRIMARY SOURCE OF

WATER IS HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.

THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DAM FORMS -- THAT THE CITY DRAWS

WATER OUT OF AND IT'S TREATED AT THE DAVID L. TIPPIN




WATER TREATMENT FACILITY.

SINCE BESIDE 1980s THE CITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO MOVE WATER

FROM -- HAS BEEN ABLE TO AUGMENT THE RESERVOIR WITH WATER

FROM THE TAMPA BAY BYPASS PACAL, BUT IT'S ALSO USED --

WHEN IT FLOWS INTO HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, THEY ARE ABLE

TO -- WATER FROM THE BYPASS CANAL.

SINCE 2000 THE CITY WAS ABLE TO USE A RECOVERY SYSTEM,

ASR, WHERE THEY ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE -- TO TREAT WATER

FROM THE RIVER, STORE IN THE GROUND AND RECOVER FROM THE

AQUIFER TO MEET DEMAND.

AS A MEMBER OF TAMPA BAY WATER, THE LARGEST WATER IS

TAMPA BAY WATER, WHAT FLOW FROM THE RIVER FLOWS FROM THE

BYPASS CANAL, AND ASR IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE

CITY'S DEMAND.

IN ADDITION, THE CITY'S FACILITY, LAST YEAR THEY TREATED

ABOUT -- GALLONS PER DAY AND 14 MILLION GALLONS A DAY

DISCHARGED INTO HILLSBOROUGH BAY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WE EVALUATED 16 DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, INCLUDING

COMPONENTS AND SUBCOMPONENTS THAT WERE INDIVIDUALLY OR

THAT SOLVED THE THREE PROBLEMS THE CITY IS FACING.

THE ALTERNATIVE COMPONENTS, ONE WAS LOOKING AT EXPANDING

THE CURRENT ASR FACILITY, GETTING WATER FROM THE RIVER,

TREATING IT, STORING IT INTO THE AQUIFER, A NUMBER OF

ALTERNATIVES THAT INVOLVED RECLAIMED WATER, DISCHARGED,




ONE WAS LOOKING AT TAKING OUT THE RECLAIMED WATER,

TREATING IT AND THEN DISCHARGING IT AT THE BASE OF THE

DAM TO MEET MINIMUM FLOWS, AND ANOTHER LOOKED AT TREATING

THE RECLAIMED WATER, RECHARGING THE AQUIFER, AND

DISCHARGING IT INTO THE RESERVOIR, TO BE ABLE TO USE --

AND ALSO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL ON THE

HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.

ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WAS TREATING IT TO DRINKING WATER

STANDARDS AND USING IT FOR POTABLE DRINKING WATER.

LASTLY ON THE RECLAIMED WATER, EXPANDING OUR EXISTING

RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM, EITHER IN AREAS OF THE CITY OR

CITY-WIDE, AND ALSO LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD

LOOK STRATEGICALLY AT ANY LARGE USER.

THESE RECLAIMED WATER ALTERNATIVES THAT WE LOOKED AT,

ALTERNATIVES THAT LOOKED AT A NEW WASTEWATER TREATMENT

PLANT, BY DISRUPTING WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES THAT

MAY PROVIDE PROCESSES -- [~DISTORTION~]

BECAUSE THE SOURCE OF RECLAIMED WATER IS A POTENTIAL

SOURCE, SELL RECLAIMED WATER.

CONSERVATION.

THE CITY HAS A LONG HISTORY IN CONSERVATION.

IT'S BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE.

DEEP WELL INJECTION.

THIS IS DISCHARGE WATER, RECLAIMED WATER INTO THE GROUND,

DISPOSAL -- [~DISTORTION~] FOR RECLAIMED WATER.




PURCHASE ADDITIONAL WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, NOT ONLY

FOR WATER SUPPLY, BUT TO ALLOW MINIMUM FLOWS.

AND ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE IS THE DO-NOTHING ALTERNATIVE,

WHICH THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO DOING NOTHING.

WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS. FOLLOW SOME.

FOLSOM.

11:51:58 >> THANK YOU, MARK.

OUR NEXT SLIDE.

WE DECIDED THAT -- [ INAUDIBLE ] AND ELIMINATING

WASTEWATER DISCHARGE, AND MEET THE MINIMUM FLOWS OF THE

HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.

NEXT SLIDE.

COMBINATION 1.

EXPANDED ASR AND RECLAIMED WATER DISTRIBUTION.

[INDISCERNIBLE]

THE RECLAIMED WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, AND DOWN EVERY

STREET IN EAST TAMPA.

THIS WOULD MAKE RECLAIMED WATER AVAILABLE TO ALL PERSONS

IN THE CITY.

CONTINUING THE PIPES, AND

[INDISCERNIBLE]

DEEP WELL INJECTION.

THE WATER IS INJECTED TO 1,000 FEET.

FINALLY, INCREASING WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER DURING THE

DRY SEASON.




NEXT SLIDE.

COMBINATION 2.

BENEFICIAL DISCHARGE TO MEET MFL, SELL RECLAIMED WATER.

A NEW PIPELINE TO THE BASE OF THE DAM.

TAMPA BAY WATER FOR INDUSTRIAL USES.

NEGOTIATED AND AGREEMENT, AND THAT AGREEMENT, TERMS,

LOCATION, AND QUALITY AND WATER QUALITY.

CONSERVATION AND DEEP WELL INJECTION FOR RECLAIMED WATER.

NEXT SLIDE.

COMBINATION 3.

THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON.

AQUIFER RECHARGE, RECOVERY AND DISCHARGE.

NEW PIPELINE, AND DEEP INJECTION WELL.

RECOVERY WELLS THAT ARE ABOUT 200 FEET DEEP, HILLSBOROUGH

RIVER ...

SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIER.

NEXT SLIDE.

11:57:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE?

IT'S GOING ON 12 RIGHT NOW.

11:57:26 >> I HAVE SIX MORE SLIDES.

11:57:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME, MAYBE 15 MORE

MINUTES, 12:15, GENTLEMEN?

ARE YOU FINE?

11:57:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

11:57:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.




WE WILL BREAK AT 12:15 IF NOT SOONER ONCE SHE FINISHES

HER PRESENTATION.

YOU MAY CONTINUE.

11:57:51 >> COMBINATION 4 PROVIDES, DIRECT PORTABLE WATER DIRECTLY

DISTRIBUTED.

[INDISCERNIBLE]

THIS WILL REQUIRE A NEW DISTRIBUTION PUMP STATION, WATER

PLANT DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

CONSERVATION, ADVANCED METERING.

SOME OF THE EXISTING POTABLE WATER CAPACITY IS NO LONGER

UTILIZED IF THIS OPTION IS PURSUED.

ALSO, THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW POTABLE WATER BY THE CITY --

AND PURSUE ALTERNATIVES WITH AN AGREEMENT FROM TAMPA BAY

WATER BY TAMPA BAY WATER.

NEXT SLIDE.

EVALUATION SCORING CRITERIA.

THIS SLIDE THE CRITERIA.

30 POINTS FOR HILLSBOROUGH BAY DISCHARGE REDUCTION.

25 POINTS MFL COMPLIANCE.

20 POINTS SUPPLY RELIABILITY.

IMPLEMENTATION FEASIBILITY CATEGORY.

PROPERTY ACQUISITION, PERMITTING AND APPROVALS,

INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS REQUIRED, PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE.

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, SOUGHT WATT INTRUSION, STANDARD

ASSETS, DURATION TO IMPLEMENT, TAMPA BAY WATER INTERLOCAL




AGREEMENT CONSIDERATION, GRANT FUNDING POTENTIAL, PUBLIC

IMAGE.

NEXT SLIDE.

ALSO LOOKED AT COSTS.

ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, 30 YEAR LIFE CYCLE COST.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE COST ESTIMATES AND RANKING.

NEXT SLIDE.

ALTERNATIVE COMBINATION, COST RANKING, BENEFIT RANK,

COMBINED RANK SCORE.

NEXT SLIDE.

AS JAN MCLEAN SAID EARLIER, THE PLAN [INDISCERNIBLE]

FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF THE FOLLOWING STRUCTURE

COMPONENTS OF COMBINATION 2 AND 3.

COMBINATION 2, DIRECT DISCHARGE TO LOWER HILLSBOROUGH

RIVER TO MEET MFL.

COMBINATION 3, RECHARGE TO AQUIFER, RECOVERY TO

RESERVOIR.

HOWEVER IT DOES RELY ON TWO THINGS, [~DISTORTION~]

[INDISCERNIBLE] I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE

ANY.

12:03:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

12:03:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANKS TO THE ENGINEERING FIRM FOR DOING

THIS AND FOR AGREEING TO NOT WORK ON THE PROJECT

AFTERWARDS.




I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU TO BRAD AND STAFF FOR INSISTING ON THAT.

SUBJECTIVITY ON THIS.

THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH OUR REQUESTS TO DO

THIS ANALYSIS.

THIS IS THE FIRST THAT I HAVE SEEN THIS.

AS OF THIS MORNING, ANYWAY.

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT ON SIRE.

SO PLEASE EVERYBODY POST IT AND LET'S TRY TO FIGURE OUT

HOW TO GET IT TO THE PUBLIC.

BECAUSE I HAVE JUST SEEN IT, I CAN'T COMMENT ON ANY OF

THE ANALYSES.

I KNOW WHAT MY GUT RESPONSE IS BUT I WANT TO LOOK AT IT

AND WHAT WE ASKED FOR IS A FAIR ANALYSIS.

SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT.

ONE THING ON THE PURPLE PIPES PROJECT, OR PROSPECT, IS

THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE MODELING WHERE WE

SAY IF SOMEBODY HAS ACCESS TO PURPLE PIPES THAT WE WOULD

PAY FOR THE HOOKUP AND THEN IF WE DID THAT THEY WOULD BE

REQUIRED TO USE THAT FIRST FOR THEIR YARDS, AS A

CONSERVATION METHOD.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN FLORIDA UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A

SHORTAGE OF POTABLE WATER AND PEOPLE WOULD RATHER PUT THE

WATER ON THEIR LAWNS THAN DRINK IT.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A WILLING BUYER, WE JUST




HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE GROUND.

BUT THAT LEADS TO THE NEXT PART, WHICH I KNOW THERE'S

PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT COMING UP.

WHEN WE DID THE RATE INCREASE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I WENT

TO I THINK THREE OF THE FOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS, BUT I HOPE THAT WE

HAVE A LOT MORE THAN FOUR MEETINGS, AND I HOPE THAT

THERE'S EXTENSIVE OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS ONE -- YOU SAW THE NUMBERS.

IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST DECISIONS WE ARE GOING TO MAKE.

THE NUMBERS ARE EVEN HIGHER THAN I EXPECTED.

AND SO IT'S BIGGER THAN THE WHOLE PIPES PROJECT, JUST FOR

ALTERNATIVE 3.

SO WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC

UNDERSTANDS, AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THE

RATE INCREASE, MANY PEOPLE WHEN THEY GOT THEIR FIRST BILL

COMPLAINED TO US BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY HAD NO IDEA THE

RATES WERE GOING TO GO UP EVEN THOUGH WE HAD PUBLIC

MEETINGS.

SO I KNOW THE DEPARTMENT HAS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, STAFF AND

CHIEF OF STAFF IS WORKING ON BUILDING A PUBLIC FACING

COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, BUT WE NEED TO BE REALLY

THOROUGH ABOUT REACHING AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE IN THE

PUBLIC, AND PLEASE ALSO INVITE US, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,

TO ATTEND EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO EACH




OTHER.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THE

PUBLIC SAYS FIRST HAND AND HOW THE PUBLIC RESPONDS TO

THIS OTHER THAN JUST GETTING THE E-MAILS AND CALLS.

WE NEED TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF WHAT THE

PUBLIC THINKS, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY HAPPY

OR REALLY ANGRY WITH IT.

THANKS TO EVERYBODY FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

12:06:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE?

MR. BAIRD?

12:06:38 >>BRAD BAIRD:
THE ONLY THING, I DO WANT TO SAY THE

REPORT, WORKSHOP ANALYSIS, IS DUE IN EARLY JUNE, AND NWRI

TOWARD THE END OF JUNE.

AND BOTH OF THOSE -- YOU SAW TODAY IN THE PRESENTATION.

SO WE WILL BE SHARING THOSE OF COURSE WITH CITY COUNCIL.

12:07:14 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT IT IS ALREADY ON

YOUR AGENDA TO COME BACK IN JUNE FOR THE WORKSHOP.

WE CERTAINLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE DO WANT TO

ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE WE

HEAR ANY CONCERNS THEY HAVE.

I DO WANT TO ASK IF WE COULD INCLUDE IN THAT SAME

WORKSHOP THAT BRAD REFERENCED, THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS

REPORT, AND HAVING QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN THE INTERIM FOR

THE NEXT WORKSHOP IN JUNE, AND AT THAT POINT WILL FEEL




MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DETAILS AND THE COMPLEX

UNDERTAKING AND HAVE A CHANCE TO IS ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE

THE NEXT WORKSHOP, SO WE ARE READY TO PRESENT ANYTHING

THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD.

IF WE COULD -- GET INFORMATION, WE COULD SET THAT FOR THE

NEXT WORKSHOP IN JUNE.

12:08:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN?

12:08:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.

I LOOKED AT AND YOU HAVE THE CALENDAR IN FRONT OF YOU,

AND MS. DUNCAN DID MAKE REFERENCE TO THE WORKSHOP ON I

BELIEVE -- AND BE MORE SPECIFIC -- THIS IS ABOUT THE

COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND THE PUBLIC SURVEY RELATED TO

THE PURE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, OR HOW WOULD YOU PHRASE

THAT?

BECAUSE WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR THE

BENEFIT OF BOTH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, IF YOU LOOK AT

THE 11:30 ITEM ON THE 24th OF JUNE IT DOESN'T MAKE

SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO WHAT PROJECT OR WHAT DEPARTMENT.

AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO AMEND YOUR CALENDAR BY MOTION TO

THE CLERK TO BE ABLE TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC AS WELL THAT

THIS IS COMING, IN WHATEVER FORM YOU WISH TO COMMUNICATE

IT SO IT'S CLEAR ON YOUR CALENDAR.

THANK YOU.

12:09:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.

MR. CARLSON MADE REFERENCE TO MAKING SURE WE HAVE




ENGAGEMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY ARE AWARE

OF THESE ITEMS THAT DO COME BACK, BECAUSE WHAT I AM

FINDING OUT SOMETIMES THAT WE HAVE THESE LAST-MINUTE

THINGS THAT POP UP AND THE COMMUNITY IS NOT AWARE, THEN

WE GET YELLED AT FOR THE COMMUNITY NOT KNOWING ABOUT

THEM.

SO I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT NOTION.

12:09:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAYBE RIGHT NOW IT READS THE

ADMINISTRATION TO APPEAR AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON PUBLIC

COMMUNICATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE FINDINGS FROM THE FOUR

COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND THE PUBLIC SURVEY.

MAYBE STAFF OR MS. MCLEAN COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A

SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL AS TO HOW IT SHOULD READ ON THE

CALENDAR JUST FOR PUBLIC NOTICE AND CLARITY, FRANKLY.

MAYBE REFERENCE THE DEPARTMENT, MAYBE REFERENCE THE

PROJECTS THAT ARE CONTEMPLATED.

12:10:24 >>JAN MCLEAN:
OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY.

I WOULD DEFINITELY SUGGEST THAT WE INCLUDE THERE PROPOSED

PROJECTS, INCORPORATING THE USE OF THE CITY'S RECLAIMED

WATER, AND CONSIDERATION, FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF THE

ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS AND THE REPORTS THERETO.

SO THAT YOU HAVE A BETTER NOTICE OF WHAT -- WE WERE

TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT THE ITEM WAS ON THAT

DATE.

THAT'S ALL THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT ONE IS.




SO IF THAT'S AMENABLE TO THE COUNCIL, I THINK THAT WOULD

GIVE THE PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL A BETTER IDENTIFICATION

OF WHAT YOU ARE COMING BACK HERE TO HEAR.

12:11:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.

12:11:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY BY THAT TIME YOU

AND THE REST OF US SHOULD KNOW WHAT TALLAHASSEE HAS

DECIDED THROUGH THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY ARE GOING

THROUGH REGARDING WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AND A TIMETABLE BY

NOVEMBER 1st, AND ALL THE WAY OUT, SO THAT THE PUBLIC

UNDERSTANDS WHY ALL THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

12:11:26 >>JAN MCLEAN:
YES, SIR.

WE SHOULD HAVE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THAT BY THEN.

YES.

12:11:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION ON THAT?

12:11:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT COULD BE BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT BASED

ON MS. MCLEAN'S REPRESENTATIONS.

DOES THE CLERK NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION?

WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING TO BE ABLE

TO --

12:11:47 >>THE CLERK:
SOMETHING IN WRITING WOULD BE GREAT.

THAT WAY WE COULD HAVE THE CURRENT WORDING AND REFLECT IN

THE CALENDAR THAT WE PUT OUT BEFORE THE NEXT AGENDA

MEETING.

12:11:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'LL WORK WITH MS. MCLEAN AND PROVIDE

THAT TO THE CLERK.




12:12:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY CITRO, SECOND BY MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN, WE STAND ADJOURNED TILL 1:30.

[SOUNDING GAVEL]





(TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECESS)

01:30:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.

01:30:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.

01:30:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.

01:30:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.

01:30:44 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

01:30:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.

WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 7.

01:30:50 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]

01:31:13 >> WE GOT YOU.

01:31:17 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
[OFF MICROPHONE]

01:31:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A SMALL WELCOME SCREEN AT THE

TOP OF THE PAGE.

WE GOT IT, SIR.

WE HAVE IT.

YES, SIR.

01:31:50 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
OUTSTANDING.

THANK YOU.




THANK YOU.

I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF, JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK REFRESH

OF LAST YEAR'S PIPES ISSUE.

THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF COURSE AS YOU WILL RECALL

APPROVED WHAT WE STILL THINK IS A VERY WELL CRAFTED

INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM, AND YOU WILL ALSO RECALL THAT IT

WAS PLANNED TO BE IMPLEMENTED VIA THE FUNDING SOURCES YOU

SEE HERE.

MORE PLANNED DEBT ISSUANCES THROUGH 2024, PLANNED USE OF

FUND BALANCE, AND CORRESPONDING MULTIYEAR RATE STRUCTURE.

THAT'S THE STRUCTURE THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR.

WHEN THAT RATE STRUCTURE THAT WAS DONE AS YOU CAN SEE TO

ENHANCE THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY OF THAT PROGRAM.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, THE MAYOR WANTED TO MAKE SURE,

COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REVENUES ARE GOING

TO BE THERE YEARS FROM NOW AS WE COMPLETE THE PLANNED

PROJECT.

THE INITIAL DEBT YOU WILL RECALL WAS $360 MILLION AND IT

WAS BASED ON THAT PIPES PROGRAM.

THAT'S WHY WE DID IT.

IT WAS SIZED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CURRENTS ECONOMIC

ENVIRONMENT AT THE TIME, THE LOW INTEREST RATE.

IT CAPTURED SAVINGS BY REFINANCING EXISTING DEBT.

IT SAID STRONG DEBT SERVICE COVERAGES AND WAS PLANNED TO

RESULT IN THE BUILD-UP OF AND EVENTUAL REDUCTION OF




SIGNIFICANT FUND BALANCE TOTALS.

ALL OF THESE COMBINED LED TO THOSE VERY HIGH CREDIT

RATINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AS NOW THE CITY WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM REMAINS ONE

OF ONLY TWO SYSTEMS IN FLORIDA WITH THE HIGHEST RATING OF

EACH CREDIT AGENCY.

OF COURSE I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY MUCH OF THAT

CREDIT ALSO BELONGS TO THE WORLD CLASS TEAMS WE HAVE GOT

RUNNING THOSE SYSTEMS.

MOVING ONTO FUND BALANCE, FIRST, OF COURSE, WE APPRECIATE

CITY COUNCIL'S CONTINUING EMPHASIS ON STRONG FUND

BALANCES ACROSS OUR CITY'S FUND STRUCTURE.

THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S FUND BALANCE WAS STRONG PRIOR TO

THE PIPES DEBT AND THAT WAS BY DESIGN FOR THE REASONS YOU

SEE HERE.

THE CITY'S EXPERIENCE WITH THE GREAT RECESSION, THE

DROUGHT THAT PRETTY MUCH COINCIDED WITH THAT PERIOD, AND

THE CONTINUED DETERIORATION OF PIPELINES, AGAIN ONE OF

THE REASONS WE STARTED PIPES PROGRAMS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO THEY STARTED OUT STRONG.

AND AFTER THE PIPES DEBT ISSUANCES, IT REMAINED STRONG.

AGAIN, THAT'S PLANNED.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON ITEM 8, PLANNED USE OF SIGNIFICANT

ACCUMULATED FUND BALANCE FOR THE PIPES PROJECT, ALL PART

OF THE PLAN.




AGAIN, THE EXCELLENT DEBT SERVICE COVERAGES THAT HELPED

AND SAVED US MONEY.

OF COURSE WE WANT A FUND BALANCE FOR THE NONPAY-GO

PROJECTS FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT COME UP THAT ARE OUTSIDE

THE PIPES PROJECT, NOT JUST PIPES.

AND CHANGING FUTURE CONDITIONS.

IT'S A REASONABLE AND SOUND PRACTICE TO KEEP FUNDING

AVAILABLE FOR THOSE THINGS THAT COME UP AND THOSE THINGS

THAT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

WITH THE REBOUNDING ECONOMY WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW AND

THE PRESSURE ON DESIGN FIRMS, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS,

AND COST INCREASES, WE ARE ALREADY SEEING SIGNIFICANT

COST CHANGES TO OUR PROJECT.

YOU SEE HERE OVER THE NEXT TWO SLIDES OUR ANTICIPATED USE

OF FUND BALANCE FOR THE PROJECTS.

OVER HALF OF THE PROJECT FUNDING NEXT YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE,

THAT LARGE SECTION IS GOING TO GO FOR PIPES PROJECT,

NEARLY $70 MILLION IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

YOU SEE THE GRAY IS THE DEBT SERVICE AND THE BLUE IS THE

PAY-GO.

I'LL GIVE YOU THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

YOU CAN SEE WE STARTED LEADING INTO OUR FUND BALANCE THIS

YEAR, BUT AGAIN WE ARE GOING TO HIT IT FOR $70 MILLION IN

THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.




MOVING ONTO POTENTIAL SAVINGS AND REFINANCING.

WHEN CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PIPES DEBT OF NEARLY 360

MILLION-DOLLAR ALMOST A QUARTER OF THAT OR ABOUT $90

MILLION WAS TO REFINANCE EXISTING DEBT.

ALL WITHOUT EXTENDING THAT DEBT.

TAKING ADVANTAGE AGAIN OF THOSE VERY LOW RATES.

DOING SO, YOU SEE HERE, CHIEF SAVINGS OF OVER $14 MILLION

IN PRESENT VALUE.

ADDITIONALLY, AND EVEN BIGGER, WHILE WE ISSUED THAT DEBT,

WE RECEIVED ALMOST $440 MILLION IN CASH FOR WHAT THEY

CALL A PREMIUM OF $79 MILLION.

WHY DID WE GET THE PREMIUM?

VERY STRONG INTEREST IN OUR BOND.

STRONG DEMAND, BASED ON THAT BEING A SECURED INVESTMENT,

TIED TO THAT MULTIYEAR RATE STRUCTURE.

IT GAVE THE MARKET, IT GAVE INVESTORS A GREAT DEAL OF

SECURITY, AND IT WAS A VERY COMPETITIVE ISSUANCE.

ALL TOLD YOU SEE THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE.

POSSIBLY $93 MILLION IN FUNDING.

I SAY ALL THIS, AND I REFRESH THIS TO SAY THAT THE

SAVINGS AND REFINANCING OPPORTUNITIES HAVE PRETTY MUCH

BEEN ACCOMPLISHED RIGHT NOW.

THERE MAY COME A TIME IN THE FUTURE WHERE REFINANCING

OPPORTUNITIES PRESENT THEMSELVES, AND OF COURSE WE WILL

BRING THOSE TO COUNCIL.




BUT NOT AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL MAY ALSO RECALL, WE UP-SIZED THE DEBT.

AGAIN, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS

THAT WERE IN THE MARKET.

WE WENT BIG RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.

DOING THIS DIDN'T ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR FUND BALANCE OR

THE NEED FOR PAYROLL PROJECTS.

IT JUST FRONT LOADED OUR CASH POSITION SO WE COULD MAKE

THESE EXPENDITURES OVER TIME.

MOVING ONTO POTENTIAL REDUCTION OF RATES.

GIVEN WHAT THE CITY HAS PLANNED TO DO OVER THE NEXT

DECADE, THE ANTICIPATED REVENUES FROM THIS PLAN THAT YOU

CAN SEE HERE MEET ANTICIPATED EXPENSES AND COVERAGE

REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROGRAM.

YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE -- BE IT FUND BALANCE OR PROJECTS.

BESIDES CURRENT AND ANTICIPATED DEBT OBLIGATIONS

ASSOCIATED WITH THAT MULTIYEAR RATE STRUCTURE, REDUCING

RATE NOW WE PROJECT WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THOSE

KEY FINANCIAL METRICS.

FUND BALANCE, RESERVES, AND THE DEBT COVERAGE YOU SEE

HERE.

AND BY REDUCING THE FUND BALANCE WE WILL REDUCE OUR

AVAILABLE FUNDING TO DO THOSE NEEDED PAYROLL PROJECTS.

TAMPA STILL RETAINS ONE OF THE LOWEST WATER RATES OF OUR

COMPARABLE CITIES AND COUNTIES AND FAR LOWER THAN THE




AVERAGE.

AS YOU SEE HERE.

CITY OF TAMPA IN BOLD TOWARDS THE TOP.

THE SURVEY AVERAGE AT THE BOTTOM.

AND OUR COMPARABLE JURISDICTIONS.

IN SUMMARY, THE PIPES PROGRAM REMAINS ON COURSE.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE STAY THE COURSE.

BEING OF COURSE AS I MENTIONED A DECADES LONG NEARLY $3

BILLION PROGRAM IS GOING TO CHANGE OVER TIME AND IT'S

GOING TO BE IMPACTED BOTH GOOD AND BAD BY ANY NUMBER OF

THINGS.

THE OVERALL ECONOMY, INTEREST RATES, INFLATION, COST

CHANGES, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED AND

SOME ARE JUST WAITING AROUND THE CORNER.

ALL I CAN TELL YOU FOR CERTAIN, OF COURSE, IS THAT

CIRCUMSTANCES WILL CHANGE.

OUR LEGAL PROFESSIONALS, OUR FINANCE PROFESSIONALS,

SYSTEM PROFESSIONALS BOTH INSIDE THE CITY AND OUTSIDE THE

CITY, WE ARE GOING TO MONITOR THOSE THINGS, WE ARE GOING

TO MONITOR THE ECONOMY, WE ARE GOING TO MONITOR THE

CITY'S FUND.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE WILL BRING TO COUNCIL A RECOMMENDATION

TO CHANGE THE PLAN.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.




01:40:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

01:40:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH THAT.

I MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY THAT THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS OF

THE PUBLIC VERY UPSET ABOUT THE RATE INCREASE BECAUSE

THEY FELT THEY WEREN'T INFORMED ABOUT IT, DESPITE

WHATEVER COMMUNICATIONS THE CITY DID, THEY DIDN'T KNOW,

AND I THINK IT'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO WERE

SURPRISED BY IT, SHOCKED BY IT.

BUT THERE'S CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE IS A

SLUSH FUND, AND YOU SHOWED ONE JUST NOW, AND ONE OF THE

THINGS I THINK YOU DIDN'T SHOW WAS, ONE OF THE CONCERNS

OF THE COMMUNITIES IS THIS MONEY IS BEING USED TO OFFSET

SOME OTHER PROJECTS, EITHER TOILET TO TAP WHICH THE

COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT, OR THE EXISTING BUDGET OF THE

WATER DEPARTMENT, AND USING KIND OF LIKE THE LOTTERY

MONEY.

SO YOU GET THE LOTTERY MONEY AND YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE

GOING TO SUPPORT EDUCATION BUT THEN YOU REDUCE THE

EDUCATION BUDGET OR USE IT ON SOMETHING ELSE.

SO I THINK WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS ARE ASKING US TO DO IS

TO BE FISCALLY PRUDENT IF WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THE RATES

WHERE THEY ARE, I WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO REDUCE THEM,

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS, BY THE WAY.

I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO GET BOND COUNSEL TO TALK TO US




ABOUT WHAT THAT MARGIN IS.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT RATING THE RESERVE FUNDS LIKE THE

LAST ADMINISTRATION DID.

WE ARE JUST TRYING TO BE PRUDENT ABOUT HOW MUCH WE KEEP,

AND IF THERE'S A SAVINGS WITH THE REST OF THE WATER

BUDGET, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT

WITH THE PUBLIC, AND IN PARTICULAR THIS COUNCIL TOOK OUT

THE TOILET-TAP PROJECT SO I AM HOPING THAT WE DON'T POINT

OUT ANY ACCOUNTING THAT ANY MONEY FOR THIS IS USED ON

THAT.

ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT?

WITH THE ALLEGATION THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY

SAID THIS IS LIKE THE LOTTERY MONEY, WHERE WE ARE

OFFSETTING SOME EXISTING WATER COSTS AND WE SHOULD

THEREFORE OVERALL REDUCE THE WATER RATE, MAYBE NOT

CONNECT TO THIS BOND, THESE BONDS?

01:42:38 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.

WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THAT PREVIOUSLY.

AGAIN, I WILL CAST IT IN PRE-PAPERS DEBT AND POST-PIPES

DEBT.

EVEN SETTING ASIDE THE PIPES DEBT AND ITS CONTRIBUTION TO

THE FUND BALANCE, BY DESIGN, WE HAVE STRONG FUND

BALANCES, AND STRIFE TO HAVE STRONG FUND BALANCES IN ALL

OF OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

FROM A WATER FUND PERSPECTIVE, FOR THE REASONS I HAVE




GONE OVER, YOU WANT A STRONG FUND BALANCE.

BUT THAT IS THE PART I WAS REFERENCING ABOUT NON-PIPES

PROJECTS.

IT WOULD BE UP TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TO SPEND A

PORTION OF THE FUND BALANCE FOR EXAMPLE ON THE PURE

PROJECT, ON THE TAP PROJECT, ET CETERA.

IF YOU FORAY INTO THE PIPES FUNDING YOU WOULD HAVE TO

REDUCE SOME PIPES PROJECTS, OR THE FUND BALANCE, AGAIN

ADVERSELY IMPACTING THOSE DEBT SERVICE COVERAGES, IF YOU

WANTED TO FUND SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THE PIPES PROGRAM

WITH PIPES MONEY.

SO WE HAVE A VERY STRONG FUND BALANCE, AND THAT'S BY

DESIGN.

01:43:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I JUST SAY SOMETHING?

WHEN WE WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, WE TOLD THEM THAT WHAT

YOU CALL PURE, I CALL TOILET TO TAP PROJECT WAS NOT

INCLUDED, AND HAD THEY KNOWN THAT, THEY PROBABLY WOULD

HAVE PROTESTED IT TO A LARGER EXTENT.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING BY TAKING IT OUT IS THAT WE HAVE TO

GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY FOR A RATE CASE.

01:44:04 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.

01:44:06 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THAT'S CHANGED THEN WE NOW HAVE

ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE TOILET TO TAP PROJECT.

I PROPOSE A RATE REDUCTION, BECAUSE A RATE INCREASE GIVES

US TRANSPARENCY.




WE JUST HEARD THE PROPOSAL, THAT'S BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF

AND $7 BILLION FOR THAT PROJECT, AND WHATEVER FORM IT

TAKES, AND I THINK WE DON'T NEED IT AND SO IF WE HAVE THE

MONEY TO DO IT, I THINK THAT'S AN EXTRA LAYER THAT WE

SHOULD GO TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY, DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR

IT?

DO YOU WANT THAT EXTRA TEN OR TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH RATE

INCREASE BECAUSE OF THAT?

OR IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE THAT MONEY CAN WE REDUCE

THE RATE BY SEVERAL DOLLARS?

01:44:47 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AND IF I CAN CLARIFY, I THINK YOUR

POINT WAS -- AND HE DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT I

THINK YOUR POINT WAS IF WE ARE GOING TO USE -- IF WE ARE

GOING TO FUND THE PIPES PROGRAM IT WILL REQUIRE A RATE

STUDY.

IT ABSOLUTELY WILL.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO -- I'M SORRY, THE PURE PROGRAM, OR

THE TOILET TO TAP, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IF YOU

ARE GOING TO DO A PROGRAM OUTSIDE OF THE PIPES PROGRAM,

OF THAT MAGNITUDE, 300 MILLION PROGRAM, YOU WILL HAVE TO

DO A RATE STUDY, AND YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE A RATE

INCREASE.

IF THE MAYOR, IF COUNCIL -- AND I THINK THIS WAS YOUR

OTHER POINT BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU -- WERE TO

USE PAPERS FUNDING FOR A PURE PROGRAM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO




REDUCE PIPES PROJECT.

YOU SIMPLY CAN'T DO A 300, $350 MILLION PROGRAM WITHOUT

RAISING RATES AND DOING A RATE STUDY JUST AS YOU SAID.

01:45:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO PUT A CAP ON IT, BESIDES THE

OTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO ASK THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY THINK

ABOUT THESE PROJECTS TO RAISE THE RATES WE HAVE TO GO TO

THE PUBLIC AND GET THEIR INPUT AGAIN, RATE?

01:45:59 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.

01:46:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?

ANYONE ELSE?

THANK YOU, SIR.

01:46:05 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

I APPRECIATE IT.

01:46:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 8.

01:46:16 >>OCEA WYNN:
ADMINISTRATOR, COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD

AFFAIRS.

IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS

ITEMS BOTH 8 AND 9 AT THE SAME TIME.

ITEM 8 IS TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM

THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU IN AND ITEM 9 IS TO

PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE EBO PORTION OF THE PIPES

PROGRAM.

01:46:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF WE HAVE NO OBJECTION, GENTLEMEN, 8

AND 9.

ANY OBJECTION?




YOU MAY PROCEED.

01:46:57 >>OCEA WYNN:
THANK YOU.

DO YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE?

01:47:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I.T., THE PRESENTATION?

01:47:26 >>OCEA WYNN:
OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU BEFORE COUNCIL, WE DISCUSSED

WITH YOU THE ISSUES OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE

BROUGHT TO US BY NOT ONLY YOU BUT ALSO SOME OF YOUR

CONSTITUENTS, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALIZED AS

WELL IN TERMS OF THOSE BARRIERS, THOSE THINGS THAT WERE

PREVENTING US FROM REALIZING THE READY, WILLING AND ABLE

CONTRACTORS OF NBEs, WSBLEs, AND WMBEs AS WELL.

SO WHAT WE WILL DO TODAY IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THOSE

THINGS THAT WE FOUND, TO REMOVE SOME OF THOSE BARRIERS AS

WELL AS PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE

OUTCOMES OF THOSE THINGS ACTUALLY -- HAVE ACTUALLY

OCCURRED.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO EBO IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN

BETTER SERVE THE PUBLIC, SERVE THE CONTRACTORS AND SERVE

YOU AS WELL.

ONCE WE STARTED UNWRAPPING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH

THERE WERE 22 OF THEM, WE ACKNOWLEDGED, WE REALIZED THAT

IT WOULD BE A GREAT FEAT TO CONCENTRATE ON ALL 22 AT ONE




TIME.

WE WROTE BROKE THEM UP IN GOALS THAT WE COULD OVERSEE,

THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO, AND THOSE GOALS ARE IMPROVING

COMMUNICATION, INCREASING PARTICIPATION AND IMPROVING

BUSINESS ENGAGEMENT.

I'LL PROVIDE JUST AN UPDATE OF THOSE 22 ITEMS.

WE CHOSE ABOUT HALF OF THEM AND WE WILL GO THROUGH WHAT

DOES THAT MEAN AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?

WHEN WE STARTED REALLY UNPACKING THOSE 11

RECOMMENDATIONS, 11 OUT OF THE 22, WE REALIZED THAT THEY

WERE CATEGORIZED IN TWO AREAS.

ONE WAS IN POLICY ISSUES, AND OTHER ONES WERE

PROGRAMMATIC.

SO MAKING SOME OF THESE CHANGES, WE WILL TALK ABOUT

THOSE.

THE FIRST ONES THAT WAS PRESENT WAS TO INCREASE THE

SHELTER MARKET PROGRAM FROM $300,000 TO $400,000.

THAT IS IN THE POLICY DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE WORKING INTERNALLY AS WELL AS UNDER THE ADVICE OF

LEGAL IN TERMS OF WHAT DO THOSE STEPS MANY TO TAKE TO

PRESENT THAT TO YOU AS A POLICY CHANGE?

THE SECOND ONE WAS TO INCREASE THE PURCHASING THRESHOLDS

FOR INFORMAL BIDS FROM $25,000 TO $100,000.

THOSE THRESHOLDS HAVE NOT BEEN INCREASED SINCE 1993.

AND THE DROPPED POLICY FOR THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER LEGAL




REVIEW.

WE ARE LOOKING AT INCREASING THE THRESHOLDS FOR BIDS AND

RFPs REQUIRING YOUR APPROVAL, COUNCIL, FROM $100,000 TO

$150,000.

AND THAT POLICY IS UNDER LEGAL REVIEW BEFORE BEING

PRESENTED BEFORE YOU.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, I THINK LAST WEEK,

AND WE TALKED IN OUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU,

WAS TO INVESTIGATE CREATING A BONDING AND FINANCE PROGRAM

FOR WMBEs AND FLBEs.

JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU WHERE WE ARE ON THIS IS THAT THE

STATE STATUTES ALREADY ALLOW FOR US TO WAIVE BONDS ON

SHELTERED MARKETS FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS UP TO

$200,000.

AND WE ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY DOING THAT.

ANYTHING GREATER THAN THE $200,000 WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE

STATE TO GET THOSE CHANGES.

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WE ARE ASKED TO LOOK AT HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY'S PROGRAM.

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS DOING THAT AS WELL AS WE.

HOWEVER, HOW WE ARE UNLIKE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AND

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO IMPROVE, AND WE ARE

EXPLORING, IS THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY OFFERS EDUCATIONAL

COMPONENTS TO THEIR CONTRACTORS ON BONDING AND INSURANCE

AND SURETIES.




AS WELL AS THE COUNTY.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT RENTING SOME OF THOSE IDEAS TO APPLY

WITHIN OUR CONTRACTORS SO THAT WE CAN ALSO ADD THE SAME

VALUE-ADD WITH OUR WORK, WITH OUR CONTRACTORS AND

CONSTITUENTS AS WELL.

WE ARE INVESTIGATING REDUCING INSURANCE LIMITS FOR

WMBEs AND SLBEs AS PRIME CONTRACTORS WHEN

APPROPRIATE.

CURRENTLY, WE REVIEW CONTRACTS, CONTRACTORS INSURANCE

REQUIREMENTS, AND SEE IF THEY ARE APPLICABLE.

NOW, WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT?

THERE WERE CONTRACTORS, LIKE DELIVERY CONTRACTORS WHO HAD

ENORMOUS INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, AND THE ONLY THING THEY

WERE DOING WAS DROPPING OFF THE DELIVERY PRODUCTS, OR

MOUING CONTRACTORS, WHENEVER WE SEE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES

WHERE WE CAN REDUCE OR EVEN DROP THOSE BONDS AND

INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, WE ACTUALLY DO THAT.

AND WE ARE EXPLAINING THAT FURTHER.

WE WERE ASKED TO ESTABLISH A WMBE, SBE GOALS UP FRONT

PRIOR TO DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTS, AND FOR CCNA, RFQs.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IS THAT WE ARE REVIEWING THE WMBE AND

SLBE GOAL ESTIMATES ON THOSE CONTRACTS PRIOR TO THE

CONTRACT -- IN THE SCOPE DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE USING HISTORICAL MEASURES

THAT WERE SIMILAR TO CONTRACTS IN THE PAST, AND SETTING




THOSE GOALS.

NOW, AFTER THE CONTRACTOR -- THE SCOPE HAS BEEN

CONFIRMED, THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE, WE'LL GO BACK AND

WE'LL ADJUST THOSE ACTUAL GOALS FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

WE ARE ASKED TO AGGRESSIVELY ENHANCE THE E-CODE SYSTEM

FOR WMBE BUSINESSES THROUGH RECRUITMENT, CERTIFICATION

SUPPORT, TRAINING, MENTOR PROTEGE PROGRAMS, TO INCLUDE

STAKEHOLDERS ENGAGEMENT, AND OTHER SUPPORT EFFORTS.

IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR, WE HAD OUR BRIDGES FOR BUSINESS

PROGRAM.

WE JUST HAD ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL BRIDGES TO BUSINESS

PROGRAM LAST WEEK.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS TO GET FEEDBACK IN

TERMS OF HOW WE BETTER SUPPORT NEW BUSINESSES?

I THINK HISTORICALLY WE ARE JUST GIVING THE CONTRACTOR

SOMETHING, BUT NOW WORRY TAKING THAT EXTRA STEP TO SAY WE

WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY CONDUCTING

SURVEYS.

SO AS BRIDGES TO BUSINESS, WE ARE DOING A SURVEY TO SAY

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM US?

WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS YOU CAN DO BETTER TO SUPPORT YOU IN

YOUR EFFORTS IN SUPPORTING THE CITY?

SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COMPILING ALL OF THAT

INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN BETTER SERVE THE PUBLIC.




PART OF THAT IS TO -- WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS TO ASK HOW DID

YOU HEAR ABOUT US, SO THAT WE'LL KNOW WHAT METHODS THE

BEST WAYS TO COMMUNICATE AS WELL.

BUT THEY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, LIKE

NOT TO PUT SOMETHING IN A NEWSPAPER.

SO AGAIN WE ARE COMPILING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.

WE WERE TO ENHANCE INDUSTRY, STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT

THROUGH INTERACTION TO INCREASE SUBCONTRACTING

OPPORTUNITIES.

WE HAVE SOME OF THE PRIME CONTRACTORS FOR MATCH MAKING

EVENTS, TWO SCHEDULED WITHIN THE REMAINING OF THIS

CALENDAR YEAR.

THE FIRST OF THE TWO WILL BE IN JUNE, AND THE NEXT ONE

WILL BE IN DECEMBER.

AND THESE ARE FOR THE LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THE LARGE PROJECTS WHERE WE CAN MEET THE PRIMES WITH THE

CONTRACTORS AND THEY CAN COLLABORATE.

ANOTHER AREA THAT YOU ASKED US TO REALLY LOOK AT, AND

THAT IS LOOK AT THE BAND WIDTH OF OUR EBO OFFICE.

YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO HIRE SOMEONE?

WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN'T GET CERTIFICATIONS OUT DONE

EXPEDITIOUSLY?

WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS THAT WE CAN USE OUR CHANGE

MANAGEMENT AREA TO GO INTO THE EBO OFFICE TO DO A DEEP

DIVE, PEEL BACK THE COVERAGE, TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS




THAT WE DEEM NECESSARY FOR OUTSOURCING, OR DEEM NECESSARY

ONCE WE BRING SOMEONE IN, WE CAN HAVE THEM LASER FOCUSED

ON THE AREAS THAT WE NEED IMPROVED.

WE USE THIS METHODOLOGY AND OTHER DEPARTMENT PORT KNOLL

OWES IN THE CITY HAVE PROVEN TO BE QUITE BENEFICIAL AND

SUCCESSFUL.

IN TERMS OF ENHANCING OUR COMMUNICATIONS, WE HAVE DONE

A -- HAVE PLACED A SIX-MONTH LOOK AHEAD FOR UPCOMING

OPPORTUNITIES ON OUR CAD WEBSITE, CONTRACT CAD DEPARTMENT

WEBSITE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY POSTED STARTING IN APRIL, AND THAT IS

CONTINUING TO BE UPDATED.

WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR MATCHMAKING AND SUBCONTRACTING

EVENTS BECAUSE AGAIN WE HAVE SEEN NOT ONLY WE CAN PROVIDE

THAT OPPORTUNITY TO LINK THOSE BUSINESSES, BUT WE CAN

ALSO IDENTIFY THE AREAS WHERE WE SEE GAPS, AND PROVIDING

THOSE TYPES OF HELP AND RESOURCES FOR THOSE PARTICULAR

AREAS.

WITH ALL OF THOSE STEPS AND MEASURES THAT WE HAVE TAKEN

OVER THE LAST FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, ON BEHALF OF BOTH GREG

HART AND GREG SPEARMAN TO PRESENT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN,

AND HOW HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO REALIZE SOME OF THE

SUCCESSES?

SO PRESENTATION AND GREG, IF YOU ARE ON, PLEASE.

01:58:49 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN GUDES AND CITY COUNCIL,




GREGORY HART, CITY OPPORTUNITY OFFICE.

WE ARE CERTAINLY -- AND I BELIEVE WE WERE GOING TO MOVE

TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

IF YOU WILL.

YES.

COUNCIL, YOU WERE REQUESTING AN UPDATE OF OUR PROGRESSIVE

INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING TO ENSURE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE CURRENT STATUS OF

THAT PROGRAM.

AS YOU KNOW, IT IS A 20-YEAR $3 BILLION ENDEAVOR.

IF I CAN BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TOP SQUARE ON THIS

PARTICULAR SLIDE.

THE EPO PROGRAM IS CURRENTLY TRACKING 62 CONTRACTS

TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 1.2 BILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE

IMPROVEMENTS.

THE MIDDLE SQUARE IS REFLECTING 46 OF THOSE 62 PROJECTS

THAT ARE ACTIVE CONTRACTS, EQUATING TO APPROXIMATELY

ACTUALLY $377 MILLION.

LET ME NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT IN BUILDING THIS GRAPH,

WE DID TRANSPOSE SOME NUMBERS, SO THAT 843 MILLION THAT

YOU ARE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY REPRESENTS THE 16 PROJECTS

AWAITING FINAL DEVELOPMENT OF GNP BUDGETS SO THE 46

PROJECTS SHOULD READ 377 MILLION.

THAT ARE ACTIVATED CURRENTLY.

THE REMAINING 16 PROJECTS WHICH AWAIT FINAL GNP FINAL




BUDGET APPROVAL EQUATE TO AN ESTIMATED 843 MILLION.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

OF THOSE 46 PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTIVATED UNDERWAY, WE HAVE

ACHIEVED 22% PARTICIPATION, OR APPROXIMATELY $80 MILLION.

AND I AM GOING TO ADDRESS HOW THAT GETS DISTRIBUTED IN

TERMS OF THE CERTIFICATION GROUPS IN JUST A SECOND.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BOTTOM

SQUARE, WHICH IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT.

IT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT'S THE CRITERIA THAT HAS BEEN

APPLIED FOR SELECTING THE PRIME CONTRACTORS.

IT'S A NEW POLICY CHANGE THAT MAYOR CASTOR IMPLEMENTED TO

BOLSTER THE EBO PROGRAM OF INCLUSION, DIVERSITY AND

EQUITY, AND MAYOR CASTOR ACTUALLY SAW TO IT THAT THE WAY

TO POINT FOR PROPOSALS WITH WMBE AND SLB PARTICIPATION

HAD A VERY SIGNIFICANT AND WEIGHTED INCENTIVE ASSOCIATED

WITH IT.

SO WHAT THAT REPRESENTS IN TERMS OF THE SIGNIFICANT

INCREASE WAS WE WENT FROM A 5 TO 20-POINT WEIGHTED

SCORING FOR WMBE INCLUSION OUT OF A TOTAL 100 POINTS IN

THE SELECTION PROCESS.

PROPOSERS HAVE BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE AS A RESULT, AND MORE

STRATEGIC AS A RESULT OF THAT INCENTIVE, WITH THEIR GOOD

FAITH EFFORT, AND OUTREACH RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO THAT HAS DEFINITELY GOTTEN THE ATTENTION OF IN THE

COMMUNITY.




THEY REALIZE THEY CAN EITHER WIN OR LOSE BEING SELECTED

BY THE CBNA SELECTION COMMITTEE FOR THESE LARGE CAPITAL

PROJECTS SUCH AS PIPES BASED ON THEIR EFFORT AND

INCLUSION OF WOMEN AND MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES, SMALL

BUSINESSES, PARTICULARLY THOSE UNDERUTILIZED GROUPS.

SO WITH THAT I AM GOING TO ASK THAT WE LOOK AT THE NEXT

SLIDE, BECAUSE I WANT TO SHOW YOU HOW THAT 22% OF $80

MILLION IS EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTED AMONG OUR CERTIFIED

COMPANIES.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PIE CHART, 31% OF THE PIPES

PROGRAM NBE, WBE, PARTICIPATION, 31% IS CONTRACTED WITH

OUR BLACK BUSINESS ENTERPRISES BBEs, AND IT'S NOTABLE

ON THIS CHART, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MENTION THAT LAST

WEEK, MAYOR CASTOR KICKED OFF ASIAN-AMERICAN PACIFIC

ISLANDER HERITAGE MONTH AND IT'S FITTING TO HIGHLIGHT ON

THIS CHART THAT OUR ASIAN BUSINESS ENTERPRISES, THE

PARTICIPATION, CONTRACT COMMITMENTS, ARE 25% UNDER THE

PIPES PROGRAM.

SO I AM PLEASED TO REPORT THAT CERTAINLY WE HAVE TAKEN

THE COUNCIL'S EMPHASIS AND FOCUS ON DOING ALL THAT WE CAN

TO IMPROVE PARTICIPATION OF OUR LOCAL SMALL MINORITY

BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN THE PAPERS PROGRAM.

AGAIN, IT'S EQUIVALENT TO ALMOST $3 BILLION OVER A

20-YEAR PERIOD.

SO WE HIT THE GROUND TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ONGOING AND




SUSTAINABLE PARTICIPATION, AND WE ARE JUST BEGINNING.

AS YOU WELL KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER 2 BILLION TO BE SPENT

OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

SO THIS IS A RECAP FOR YOUR DIGESTION, AND UPDATE TODAY

ON THE PIPES PROGRAM.

02:04:41 >>OCEA WYNN:
SO GREG SPEARMAN, IF YOU COULD SPEAK ON THE

JOBS PROGRAM.

02:04:52 >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU, OCEA.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN GUDES AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

IF WE COULD HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS BASICALLY AN UPDATE THAT I AM SHARING WITH YOU

REGARDING EBO PARTICIPATION ENHANCEMENTS REGARDING THE

JOB ORDERED CONTRACTING PROGRAM.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE APPEARED BEFORE YOU ON SEPTEMBER

4th REGARDING THE FIVE JOC CONTRACTORS THAT YOU

APPROVED FOR THE JOB ORDERED CONTRACT PROGRAMS.

SO LET ME JUST RUN THROUGH SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE

HAVE DONE TO ENHANCE EBO PARTICIPATION.

FIRST OF ALL, WE ESTABLISHED AS YOU HEARD MS. WYNN TALK

ABOUT TWO BRIDGES TO BUSINESS CERTIFICATION TOURS, ONE ON

MAY 13th AT THE BARKSDALE COMMUNITY CENTER AND WE

HAVE AN UPCOMING ONE ON JUNE 10th AT THE TAMPA

CONVENTION CENTER.

AND THE MAY 13th EVENT WAS KICKED OFF UNDER CASTOR,

AND WE ALSO HAD IN ATTENDANCE COUNCIL CHAIR GUDES, SO WE




THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING AND SUPPORTING THAT EVENT.

WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED NEWLY CITY CERTIFIED FIRMS DIRECT

CONTACT WITH JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS.

SO THE INTENT HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE THESE FIRMS

BECOME CERTIFIED THAT WE GET THEM QUICKLY CONNECTED TO

THE JOC PLAN CONTRACTORS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE

THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THEY CAN BECOME QUICKLY

ENGAGED IF THEY ARE READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO

PARTICIPATE IN ONGOING JOB ORDER CONTRACTS.

THE THIRD BULLET, WE REQUESTED THE JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS

TO REFER NONCONTRACTORS TO E BO DEPARTMENT TO

CERTIFICATION.

IF THEY MEAT THE CERTIFICATION.

SO WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A SEGMENT OF SLBE AND WMBEs

WHO MAY BE WORKING WITH THE JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS THAT

MAY NOT BE CERTIFIED.

SO WE HAVE IMPRESSED UPON THE JOC PROGRAMS TO PLEASE

REFER THOSE COMPANIES TO MR. HART'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN

DETERMINE THE CERTIFICATION, AND TO GET THEM CERTIFIED AS

QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THOSE NUMBERS

IN OUR REPORTING.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WE ALSO EDUCATED THE CITY COUPLE ON OUR JOC CONTRACT AS

WELL AS THE JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS ON THE WAY TO CAPTURE

TIMELY SUBCONTRACT PARTICIPATION INFORMATION.




NOW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS ARE

CAPTURING THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO CAPTURE ON THE

FORM 10s.

THESE WOULD BE THE FORMS THAT ARE USED BY OUTREACH.

AND SECONDLY, ON THE NBD FORM 20, AND THIS IS THE FORM OF

THE JOC CONTRACTORS REFLECTS A COMMITMENT AND UTILIZATION

OF UNDERUTILIZED CERTIFIED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.

THE NEXT BULLET.

WE HAVE AN EBO RETRAINING SESSION, ECONOMIC DISTANCE

RETRAINING BUSINESS SESSION FOR JOC PRIME CONTRACT ON THE

USE OF THE B 2 G DIVERSITY SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN BE

ASSURED OF GETTING ACTIVE REPORTING OF SUBCONTRACT

PARTICIPATION IN A TIMELY MANNER.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS INFORMATION FROM OUR

JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS SO THAT WE CAN REPORT THESE NUMBERS

ACCURATELY IN TIME OF PARTICIPATION SO WE HAD A

RETRAINING SESSION WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR THE JOC PLANS TO

USE THE B 2 G SYSTEM.

THE LAST BULLET IS THAT WE PROVIDED THE JOC PRIME

CONTRACTORS WITH LISTS OF CERTIFIED FIRMS FOR

CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION-RELATED TASKS TO ASSIST

WITH THEIR OUTREACH.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

THE JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS WITH THE CITY KNOWN AS A JOINT




SCOPE SO WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS VERY BENEFICIAL, WHEN THAT

JOINT SCOPE IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT, TO IMMEDIATELY PROVIDE

THE JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS CITY CERTIFIED CONTRACTORS FOR

THOSE SPECIFIC TASKS THAT WE HAVE READY, WILLING AND ABLE

SUBCONTRACTORS SO THAT THEY CAN GET ENGAGED AS SOON AS

POSSIBLE BEFORE THE WORK HAS TO BE STARTED.

SO ALL THOSE THESE INITIATIVES, COUNCIL, ARE IN THE EARLY

STAGES OF IMPLEMENTATION BY THE CITY, WE HAVE SEEN

SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN SUBCONTRACTORS PERCENTAGES, AND

WE CAME TO YOU ON MARCH 4 OF 2021 OF THIS YEAR WHEN WE

USED FIVE JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS.

WE HAD A PARTICIPATION LEVEL OF ABOUT 1.2% FOR DBE.

WHILE THE BACKS WERE NOT CLOSED YET ON 2020, AND I WANT

TO JUST SHARE WITH YOU THAT THOSE NUMBERS ONLY

REPRESENTED ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF REPORTING FOR 2020

BECAUSE WE ONLY STARTED THE JOC CONTRACTS IN ABOUT THE

JUNE, JULY TIME FRAME OF 2020.

OKAY?

SO THE ACTUAL PARTICIPATION FOR 2020 FOR CALENDAR 2020

FOR DBEs WAS 2.27%.

NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE PERCENTAGE LEVEL HAS BEEN

THIS YEAR IN 2021, SINCE BETWEEN THE PERIOD OF JANUARY

1st AND ABOUT THE LAST PART OF APRIL TO THE MIDDLE

PART OF MAY.

EBE PARTICIPATION, WMBE PARTICIPATION, RATHER, HAS




INCREASED FROM 2607% TO 47.02.

THAT REMITS AN 80% PARTICIPATION RATE.

FLB PARTICIPATION HAS GONE FROM 22.81% TO 27.4%.

THAT REPRESENTS A 20% PARTICIPATION INCREASE IN RATES.

BUT HERE IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEM ALL, AND

THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE ASKED US TO WORK ON, IN PARTICULAR,

AND THE REASON THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED ALL OF THESE

ENHANCEMENTS, EBE PARTICIPATION HAS INCREASED FROM 2.26%

TO JUST UNDER 10%.

THAT REPRESENTS A 334% INCREASE IN DBE PARTICIPATION

UNDER THE JOC CONTRACT.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SEE THAT THESE ENHANCEMENTS ARE

WORKING, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A FULL SIX MONTHS YET.

THIS IS JUST FROM JANUARY UNTIL ABOUT MID MAY.

SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT ENHANCEMENTS WE PUT IN PLACE,

ENGAGEMENT WE HAVE AT THE JOC PRIME, AND ALSO WITH OUR

CONSULTANT IN TERMS MUCH GETTING THOSE NUMBERS UP.

SO AT THIS POINT I AM GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION BACK

OVER TO MS. WYNN.

02:12:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE A QUESTION.

I THINK THIS IS WONDERFUL.

I TALKED TO SOME FOLKS, AND I AM GLAD THAT ADMINISTRATION

HEARD US, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT THE ONLY POINT I AM STILL MISSING WHEN I STILL HEAR

THIS IS THAT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE TWO OF OUR




DEPARTMENT HEADS ON BOARD AND THEY UNDERSTAND JOC.

HOW -- WE ARE GOING TO HOLD EVERYBODY ELSE ACCOUNTABLE,

RETRAIN EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT HOW DO WE DO -- WHAT'S THE

EXTENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HOLD OUR PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE

FOR, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DOING AND MAKING SURE, I

WANT DON'T WANT TO SAY GOOD OL' BOY SYSTEM BUT MAKING

SURE WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING WHAT WE SAID WE ARE GOING TO

DO ON OUR END WITH OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE I SEE WHERE WE ARE

TRAINING EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THE CONTRACTOR,

SUBCONTRACTOR, EVERYONE ELSE, WHAT KIND OF PERFORMANCE

EVALUATION ARE WE GOING TO HOLD OUR PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE

FOR TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE

DO?

02:13:11 >> GO AHEAD.

02:13:12 >>OCEA WYNN:
WELL, I WILL ANSWER MY PART OF THAT, GREG,

AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

COLLEEN AND I JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION, THAT WE CAN PUT

ALL THESE MEASURES IN PLACE, BUT HOW DO WE BRING THAT

IN-HOUSE, HOW DO WE BRING THAT INTO THE FAMILY?

SO PART OF IT IS TO MAKE ALL OF IT BE DECISION MAKERS IN

THE DEPARTMENTS AWARE THAT THERE IS A JOC PROGRAM, AND IT

IS AN AVENUE THAT THEY COULD USE, AS WELL AS PROVIDING

THOSE TYPES OF CONTRACTUAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY SHOULD

BE LOOKING AT, OR LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY ARE LOOKING AT

USING JOC, AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE REQUIRED INTERNALLY, AND




THE DIRECTOR, ASSET MANAGEMENT, LOGISTICS MANAGEMENT AND

I HAD THAT CONVERSATION JUST YESTERDAY.

02:14:06 >>GREG SPEARMAN:
AND WE HAVE ALSO HIGHLY PUBLICIZED THE

JOB ORDER CONTRACTING WITH CITY ADMINISTRATION, AND KEEP

IN MIND, COUNCIL, THAT A GOOD PART OF THE PARTICIPATION

PIECE REALLY RELIES UPON THE PERFORMANCE OF THE JOC

CONTRACTORS.

THESE CONTRACTORS ARE RATED IN TERMS OF THEIR

PERFORMANCE.

THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS

FULL ENGAGEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT OF DBE PARTICIPATION.

WE WORK HAND IN GLOVE WITH MR. HART'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE

THAT HAPPENS.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE EFFORT THAT YOU HEARD MS. WYNN

SPEAK ABOUT, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE

PART OF THE JOC PRIME CONTRACTOR THAT WE BELIEVE BASED ON

THE NUMBERS I JUST SHARED WITH YOU THAT OUR EFFORTS ARE

HAVING SIGNIFICANT RESULTS.

02:14:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

MRS. WYNN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

02:15:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M SORRY BUT IF I VOTED FOR JOC THE

LAST TIME I MADE A MISTAKE.

I HAVE BEEN VOTING FOR JOC THE LAST 15 YEARS, MR.

SPEARMAN.

I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ANYONE.




HOWEVER, I REMEMBER 15 YEARS AGO, JOC WAS AN OPERATION

THAT CAME INTO THE CITY AND ASKED A PUBLIC RECORDS

REQUEST FOR EVERYTHING AND ANYBODY DOING BUSINESS WITH

THE CITY AND YOU CAN STOP ME AND CORRECT ME ANYTIME I

WANT BECAUSE I MAY BE MISTAKEN AT SOME POINT.

THEN I WAS TOLD THAT THE JOC CONTRACTS WERE ONLY FOR

INDIVIDUALS ON SMALL ITEMS LIKE IF A CONTRACT WAS DOING A

ROADWAY AFTER THEY LEFT, BRINGING THE GRASS IN PLACE AND

PUTTING IN PODS AND MAKING IT LOOK PLEASING TO THE EYE,

THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

NOW, I SEE WHERE JOC IS THE PRIME CONTRACTOR OF PRIME

CONTRACTORS.

SO I DON'T KNOW, JOC CAME IN, DID A PUBLIC RECORDS

REQUEST, WE TURNED IT OVER TO THEM AND THEY SAID, OH,

THESE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH?

NOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO BUSINESS WITH ME.

THAT'S WHAT JOC IS.

THEY CAME IN, AND GOTH THE SAME CONTRACTORS THAT WE WERE

USING.

NOW THEY ARE CONTRACTING WITH JOC FROM WHAT I SEE HERE,

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN GET A BETTER PRICE AND

HOW COME WE DIDN'T DO IT OURSELVES.

IN A REFLECTION ON YOU, SIR, PLEASE.

SO HOW DID JOC BECOME A PRIME CONTRACTOR THROUGH THE

PRIME CONTRACTORS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE CITY OF




TAMPA?

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS NOT MORE COSTLY, AND

UNLESS SOMEHOW WE MISSED THE BALL.

I AM NOT SAYING SOMETIMES I DON'T MAKE AN ERROR.

I DO AND I ADMIT IT.

SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS HOW DOES JOC SET ASIDE THE NEEDS

OF THE CITY AND ITS COST EFFECTIVENESS IF THEY ARE USING

THE SAME CONTRACTORS WE WERE USING BEFORE? WHERE IS THE

DIFFERENCE AND HOW DO THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT?

AND THE CONTRACTOR, HE DIDN'T BRING THEM IN, DIDN'T

CREATE NEW CONTRACTORS.

MAYBE SOME SMALL ONES SOMEWHERE BUT THEY ARE THE SAME

CONTRACTORS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN USING ALL ALONG.

I CORRECT OR WRONG?

YOU CAN TELL ME I AM WRONG.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT BEFORE.

02:17:11 >>GREG SPEARMAN:
I AM A NOT AWARE, COUNCIL, OF THE PRIME

CONTRACTS USING THAT WE USED BEFORE FOR OTHER CONTRACTS.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE JOB ORDER CONTRACT

PROCESS REALLY IS A TRIANGLE EFFECT IN TERMS OF HOW WE DO

THE WORK.

IT'S TIME, IT'S QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE.

AND THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THIS WORK BECAUSE IT'S A

PERFORMANCE BASED CONTRACT, NUMBER ONE.




THEY CAN DO IT WITHOUT THE CITY HAVING TO GO OUT AND DO

MULTIPLE BIDS.

WE WILL INCREASE OUR WORKLOAD SIGNIFICANTLY HAVE TO HAVE

TO GO OUT AND BID ALL THESE CONTRACTS.

SO IT'S A PERFORMANCE BASED MANAGEMENT TOOL THAT MEASURES

TIME AND PERFORMANCE, AND WITHIN COST, I MIGHT ADD, AND

IT ALSO INCREASES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR SLB AND SLBE --

02:18:02 >> I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT IT DOES THAT.

I AM DISPUTING MYSELF THERE'S A TUG-OF-WAR WITHIN THIS

LITTLE BODY THAT'S TELLING ME IF EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS

TRUE, THEN WE FAILED IN SOME DEGREE.

NOT YOU BUT WE FAILED IN GENERAL AS A CITY, THAT

PERFORMANCE BASED CONTRACT, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT EVERY

CONTRACTOR IS PERFORMS BECAUSE IF YOU GET A CERTAIN

OUNT TO DO THE JOB ONE TIME CORRECTLY THAT'S

PERFORMANCE BASED.

SO YOU ARE TELLING ME, I GET A LITTLE CONFUSED WHEN YOU

HEAR ALL THESE KINDS OF WORDS BECAUSE WE WERE DOING IT

BUT WE WEREN'T DOING IT RIGHT.

NOW THE JOC CONTRACTOR IS THE SAME CONTRACTORS THAT WERE

WORKING WITH US.

THEY DIDN'T BRING IN NEW PEOPLE.

THEY DON'T EVEN LIVE HERE.

THEY AREN'T EVEN NEAR HER.

ONE IS IN WASHINGTON.




I CAN TELL YOU WHO THEY ARE BY NAME IF YOU LIKE.

I REMEMBER ALL THE NAMES BECAUSE I DID AN INVESTIGATION

ON MY OWN.

SO WHAT I AM SAYING, WHAT IS GOING ON THAT WE CANNOT DO

THE SAME THING?

AND I APPRECIATE THE WORDS THAT YOU ARE USING, THAT THEY

CAN DO IT RELIABLY FASTER.

HOW COME YOU COULDN'T DO IT FASTER?

YOU SAID YOU HAD TO GO OUT FOR BIDS.

I IMAGINE YOU ARE STILL GOING OUT FOR BIDS.

IF NOT THE BIDDERS ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN THAT A HIGH

BIDDER MAY GET A JOB.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

02:19:18 >>GREG SPEARMAN:
AGAIN, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THIS IS THE

PERFORMANCE BASED CONTRACT THAT ALLOWS US TO HANDLE MANY,

MANY PROJECTS, VERY, VERY EFFICIENTLY AND VERY

EFFECTIVELY.

WITHIN A REASONABLE COST.

WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THESE INDIVIDUAL MULTIPLE CONTRACTS

AND WE WOULD NOTABLE ABLE TO GETS THE WORK DONE AS

QUICKLY.

SO THIS IS THE PERFORMANCE BASED CONTRACT, IT ENABLES US

TO OPERATE IN A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT MANNER.

02:19:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, THE ONLY THING PERFORMANCE

BASED CONTRACT TO BE ALL OF THEM.




AND THEY SHOULD BE OUT OF THE PICTURE.

THEY HAVE GOT TO BE MAKING SOMETHING ON TOP OF WHICH WE

ARE PAYING. IF NOT THEY WOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS.

IT'S JUST LOGICAL.

SO EVERY TIME I SEE SOMEBODY TELLING THE SAME PEOPLE WHO

WE HAD AS CONTRACTORS WHAT TO DO, THERE'S A SLICE OF

MONEY GOING SOMEWHERE, AND I AM LOOKING AT THE HISPANIC

IS ONLY 5%.

AND I THINK WE DID A POOR JOB THERE.

02:20:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, I THINK WHAT HAPPENED, I

KNOW IT WAS DOWNSIZED, AND HEAR MR. SPEARMAN SAYING THE

WORKLOAD, THE WORKLOAD.

I HEAR THE SAME THING IN OUR DEPARTMENT, THE WORKLOAD,

THE WORKLOAD.

AND WE AIN'T MOVING THE NEEDLE.

SO I SEE MR. SPEARMAN'S POINT OR THAT ASPECT, I DON'T

HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE FOR THIS WORK AND WE HAVE THESE OTHER

FOLKS.

WE JUST CAN'T DO IT ALL.

BUT I SEE YOUR POINT, WHICH IS RIGHT.

OKAY, WELL, WE CAN DO IT, SO I GET THAT SO IT'S KIND OF

LIKE A POINT ON EACH EAR, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS

HAPPENED, WHAT I CAN SEE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE

MANPOWER, THE WOMANPOWER TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND I

DON'T WANT TO PICK ON HOUSING BUT HOUSING IS A BIG THING




RIGHT NOW, AND CAN'T GET THAT WORK OUT AND GET THINGS

DONE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE, AND I DID

TALK TO DENNIS, AND WE HAVE TO DO SOME OUTSOURCING AS

WELL.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. SPEARMAN IS SAYING.

BUT IT IS A CHALLENGE, I KNOW.

02:21:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID,

MR. CHAIRMAN.

I JUST DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIRING MORE

PEOPLE AND WHAT THE JOC IS GETTING FOR THEIR BENEFIT OF

DOING THE JOB.

I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS. I DON'T KNOW IF JOC IS REALLY

1%, 100% OF SOMETHING, AND WHAT HE PLACED TO HIRING

PEOPLE FOR THAT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION.

THANK YOU.

02:21:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOT YOU.

ANYONE ELSE?

02:21:55 >>OCEA WYNN:
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, COUNCIL.

02:21:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THIS.

SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE NOT HERE BUT I AM GLAD THE

ADMINISTRATION PUT UP THE EFFORTS TO MOVE THE BALL.

WE KNOW IT HAD TO BE MOVED.

WE DID WHAT WE HAD TO DO.

BUT BECAUSE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT BECAUSE PREVIOUS




THINGS GONE ON, AND IT'S ALWAYS WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT.

WE CAN'T HAVE THAT THINKING AROUND HERE ANYMORE.

BECAUSE TIME CHANGES EVERY DAY.

DOESN'T SIT STILL.

SO I AM GLAD THAT WE ARE MOVING THE BALL.

BUT BY STAYING STILL WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE

ADMINISTRATORS UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEW DAY IS A POSITIVE,

THAT WE HAVE TO GET THINGS MOVING FOR BLACKS, HISPANICS,

EVERYBODY, AND EVERYBODY IS MAKING A LITTLE BECAUSE

EVERYONE IS HUNGRY.

SO I AM GLAD THE EFFORTS, BUT AGAIN I AM HOPING -- I WANT

TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING, A PILOT, HAVE

SOMETHING THAT WE HOLD THOSE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE THESE

CONTRACTS, AS FAR AS ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF, TO MAKE

SURE THAT WE ARE MOVING THE BALL, AND HOLD THOSE FOLKS

ACCOUNTABLE.

I CAN SAY IT IS DIFFICULT SOMETIMES WHEN SOME OF THESE

JOBS THAT WE TRY TO FIND FOLKS TO DO THOSE JOBS WHEN WE

DON'T HAVE THEM TO DO.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND I HEAR MANY NAMES AND NUMBERS OF MR.

SPEARMAN AND MR. HART.

AND I GET UPSET.

AND THAT UPSETS ME TREMENDOUSLY SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT

AS WELL.




BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER BIG SHOW AND SEE WHERE THAT BALL

IS AS WELL.

02:23:40 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR, THANK YOU.

02:23:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, AS WELL.

WE MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 10.

MR. DINGFELDER IS NOT HERE.

WHO HAS ITEM NUMBER 10?

ALL RIGHT, CATE.

02:24:22 >>CATE WELLS:
GOOD AFTERNOON.

02:24:25 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF GROWTH

MANAGEMENT.

WE ARE HERE TODAY ON ITEM NUMBER 10 AND 11.

WE HAVE BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS.

THEY ARE RELATED TO CHAPTER 27 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT

CODE.

AND WE PACKAGED THEM FOR YOU TODAY IN A SINGULAR

PRESENTATION.

EXCEPT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS NOT HERE.

WE DO HAVE THE PRESENTATION.

ALSO LACHONE DOCK JOINED ME IN MY OFFICE AS WELL.

SO SHE IS WITH ME THIS AFTERNOON.

SHE'S GOING TO COVER A COUPLE OF THE SLIDES FOR YOU.




AS WELL AS MYSELF.

SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AS I MENTIONED, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS MADE IN

RELATION TO THE POTENTIAL FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO GO TO A

QUARTERLY CYCLE, AND ALSO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT

CAME FROM A FEW MONTHS AGO ON THE POTENTIAL FOR

ADMINISTRATIVE -- SO DISCUSSION OF 5%.

WE WORKSHOPPED THAT, CAME BACK WITH YOU, ASKED FOR SOME

ADDITIONAL TIME ON THAT, AND WE WANTED TO RESEARCH

WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE ADEQUATE, IF THAT WAS

CONSIDERED, AND WE ARE BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY ON THOSE TWO

ITEMS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OUR WORKSHOP GOALS TODAY WITH YOU, COUNCIL, IS TO DISCUSS

THE TEXT AMENDMENTS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE

PROCESSING OF TEXT AMENDMENTS ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU CHANGES TO THE

PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT REFLECT SOME OF

YOUR MORE RECENT DIRECTIVES INCLUDING HAVING PUBLIC

INFORMATION SESSIONS, AND DOING SOME MODIFICATIONS TO

LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE KIND OF COME UP WITH AS WE HAVE

RESEARCHED THIS ITEM.

SO THIS WOULD BE OUR TWO GOALS IN RELATION TO TEXT

ENDMENTS.




AND THEN IN THE LAST BULLET, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO

PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT TODAY, AND

DISCUSS SOME CRITERIA AND THE ASSOCIATED PROCESS UNDER

WHICH THOSE LOT SPLITS WOULD BE HANDLED.

SO TO LEAD OFF ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SULING, PLEASE.

ONE MORE.

I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LACHONE TO GIVE YOU SOME

BACKGROUND, AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE RESEARCH SHE

CONDUCTED FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

02:27:11 >>LACHONE DOCK:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.

LACHONE DOCK WITH DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

COUNCIL, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST GIVE YOU A

LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND REGARDING OUR CURRENT PROCESS

FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS PROCESSING.

ONE IS CURRENTLY THE APPLICATIONS OF OUR PROCESS TWICE A

YEAR.

SO THIS IS IN JANUARY AND IN JULY.

THIS WOULD INCLUDE BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATELY

INITIATED AMENDMENTS.

BY THE PUBLICLY INITIATED AMENDMENT, THOSE ARE THE

ENDMENTS THAT ARE EITHER DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL, OR

EITHER AMENDMENTS THAT ARE THROUGH THE PLANNING MANAGER

OR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

THESE CYCLES IS APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS LONG.




SO THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE TIME FRAME.

BASED ON THE REQUEST THAT TIME FRAME CAN VARY.

EACH CYCLE CAN CONTAIN BOTH PUBLICLY INITIATED AND

PRIVATELY INITIATED CHANGES.

JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT THE PRIVATELY INITIATED CHANGES,

THEY ARE A COMMON PRACTICE IN MANY JURISDICTIONS.

NO COUPLE OF SLIDES I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU THAT

COMPARISON.

AND PROCESSING NEEDS THAT STAFF CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE

CODE WRITER, CURRENTLY COORDINATES, CONDUCTS PUBLIC

OUTREACH.

THERE IS REALLY NO FORMALIZED PROCESS FOR PROCESSING THE

TEXT AMENDMENTS.

CURRENTLY ONE STAFF MEMBER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROCESSING

THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR OTHER

DUTIES IN ADDITION TO THAT.

NO FORMAL APPLICATION CURRENTLY EXISTS.

SO PARAMETERS FOR PROCESSING, THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS ON

THE SCOPE OF THE REQUEST.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE IN

OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THIS IS A COMPARISON OF JURISDICTIONS.

WE HAVE TAKEN DATA FROM FOUR OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

SO WHAT WE USED WAS AN EARTH TONE, YOU SEE THE CITY OF




TAMPA, SO THAT'S OUR PROCESS.

THE FIRST THING WE LOOKED AT WAS WHETHER OR NOT PRIVATELY

INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS WERE ALLOWED IN THESE OTHER

JURISDICTIONS.

YOU CAN SEE BY LOOKING AT PROCESS THAT THESE OTHER

JURISDICTIONS, MADEIRA BEACH, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, CITY

OF ST. PETE, THEY ALL ALLOW PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT

ENDMENTS.

THE CITY OF ORLANDO WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT DID NOT ALLOW.

THE CITY OF ORLANDO IS A LITTLE GIVE IN THAT THEY ONLY

PROCESS AMENDMENTS THAT ARE DIRECTED BY THE MAYOR OR

THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE NEXT SET OF DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR YOU IS THE

FEE.

SO YOU CAN SEE ACROSS THE BOARD, THE ENTITIES THAT

PROCESS PRIVATELY INITIATED, WE ARE THE LOWEST FEE, WHICH

IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON

ALSO.

ALSO, THE PRESUBMITTAL MEETING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR ALL OF

THOSE, ALL JURISDICTIONS, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE RECEIVE

THE DATA ON WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED

TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH, WHETHER PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL OR

AFTER THE TIME THEY SUBMIT THEIR REQUEST, FOR PRIVATELY

INITIATED AMENDMENT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT CURRENTLY WE DO NOT REQUIRE THE




APPLICANT, THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT IS CONDUCTED BY CITY

STAFF.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT MADEIRA BEACH, CITY OF

ST. PETERSBURG, THEY DO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT

PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND SPEAKING TO BOTH OF THOSE

JURISDICTIONS, IT IS REQUIRED BEFORE THEY EVEN SUBMIT.

THIS WAY THE PUBLIC IS MADE AWARE OF WHAT IS COMING, WHAT

WOULD BE SUBMITTED, AND THEY ALREADY HAD DISCUSSION WAS

THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO.

THE LAST ROW THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THIS CHART IS WHETHER

OR NOT ADDITIONAL FEES WERE ASSESSED.

THIS IS TO SHOW YOU, COUNCIL, THAT THE FEES WERE CHARGED

BY THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

THEY ALSO CHARGE ADDITIONAL FEES ON TOP OF THAT FOR

ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

BE SO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO FOR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE FIRST THING IS, WE WOULD LIKE

TO DISTINGUISH AND SEPARATE THE PRIVATELY INITIATED

ENDMENT FROM THE STAFF OF COUNCIL-INITIATED AMENDMENTS,

FROM THOSE PUBLICLY-INITIATED REQUESTS.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE NEW SCHEDULE.

FOR PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENTS, ONE OF OUR

RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE TO REVISE OUR FEE SCHEDULE,

CLARIFY THE APPLICANT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT,

REQUIRE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETINGS FOR THE APPLICANT,




AND REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION PRESENTATION.

AT THE TIME THE CITY STAFF PRESENTS THE PLANNING

COMMISSION AT BOTH THEIR BRIEFING AND PUBLIC HEARING, AND

WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON THE APPLICANT

SINCE IT IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED REQUEST.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONTINUING WITH THE

RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE

NEXT AMENDMENT SCHEDULE.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT WE HAVE TWO CYCLES FOR PRIVATE

ENDMENTS, AND TWO CYCLES OF PUBLICLY INITIATED

ENDMENT, PUBLICLY INITIATED AND CLEAN-UP ITEMS.

JANUARY 15 AND JULY 15 FOR PRIVATELY.

FOR THE PUBLICLY INITIATED, APRIL 15th AND OCTOBER

15th CYCLE.

SO THAT GIVES THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC CYCLES TWICE A YEAR.

02:33:22 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AND IF I CAN, THIS REALLY CAME ABOUT AS

WE -- COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAD MADE THE MOTION AND THEN

WE WERE LOOKING AT HOW WE WERE PROCESSING THINGS, HOW

OTHER JURISDICTIONS WERE PROCESSING THESE TYPES OF

ENDMENTS, AND THEN ALSO THE OVERALL WORK FLOW, AS WELL

AS SOME OF THE INTERACTION THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH COUNCIL

LATELY WHERE THERE WAS A RECENT CYCLE THAT WAS A

PRIVATELY INITIATED CYCLE, THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION

AS TO WHOSE CYCLE WAS THAT?




I THINK WHAT THIS RECOMMENDATION REALLY WOULD DO IS ALLOW

US TO HAVE THOSE PRIVATELY INITIATED IN THE ESTABLISHED

CYCLE AND THEN DEDICATED TIME FOR US TO BE EXAMINING THE

PUBLICLY INITIATED AMENDMENTS THAT ARE EITHER COMING OUT

OF COUNCIL MOTIONS OR COMING OUT OF INITIATIVES, THINGS

WE ARE LOOKING AT TO MOVE THE ORGANIZATION FORWARD, OR

GENERAL CODE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR

SOME TIME.

BUT THAT WOULD REALLY GIVE US THOSE ORGANIZED DISCUSSIONS

AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DO THE PLANNING AND LEG

WORK THAT GOES BEHIND PUTTING THOSE AMENDMENT TOGETHER.

IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WHAT WE DID IN THIS SLIDE, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS THE

DIFFERENCE TO ACTUALLY PROCESSING THE PLANNED AMENDMENTS

FOR OUTSIDE TEXT AMENDMENTS AND HOW, IF THEY ARE DONE ON

A QUARTERLY BASIS, MANY OF THOSE EFFORTS ARE GOING TO

OVERLAP.

AS LACHONE MENTIONED TO YOU, RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE

DEDICATED IN THE PROCESSING OF THOSE TEXT AMENDMENTS,

THAT IS LACHONE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE EFFORTS DO

OVERLAP AND THAT'S WHEREIN WE WERE SAYING, IF WE CAN

CREATE TWO DEDICATED CYCLES, PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT

ENDMENTS AND TWO FOR THE PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT

ENDMENT THAT WOULD REALLY GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO

THE PLANNING, DO THE FOCUS, DO THE OUTREACH.




THAT IS ONE STEP THAT WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND PUT INTO

THIS TODAY TO SHOW YOU, I THINK SINCE THE LAST TIME WE

SAW YOU, WE DID GO AHEAD AND SET UP A PUBLIC INFORMATION

SESSION FOR JUNE 7th.

WE ARE CONDUCTING COMING UP.

AND THAT IS GOING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION, THAT'S GOING TO

PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE WORKSHOP THAT WAS JUST BEFORE

YOU.

THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WORKSHOP THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, THE

WORKSHOP THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, AND THEN THE PRIVATELY

INITIATED CYCLE FROM MR. MICHELINI AND MR. BERM THAT WE

TRADE TO BRING YOU BEFORE YOU A MONTH AGO AND YOUR

REQUEST WAS TO PLEASE CONDUCT THE PUBLIC INFORMATION

SESSION.

SO WE HAVE NOW SET THIS UP.

AND THIS TIMELINE NOW REFLECTS THE INTEGRATION OF THOSE

ADDITIONAL STEPS THAT WE ARE LAG TO HAVE MOVING FORWARD.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO AS LACHONE MENTIONED FOR THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT

ENDMENT, AND AGAIN THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE

BEFORE YOU TODAY, AND LIKE THE WORKSHOP WE WOULD LIKE TO

GET THE FEEDBACK ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE WOULD PUT THAT FEEDBACK INTO THE INFORMATION SESSION

AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU IN AUGUST TO BRING YOU

THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF THESE ASSOCIATED RECOMMENDATIONS




WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE PROPOSAL.

SO THE FIRST IS UPDATE OF THE FEE SCHEDULE.

AS YOU SAW OUR FEE SCHEDULE IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN

OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU PAY ONE FEE WHETHER YOU ARE

RECOMMENDING ONE CHANGE OR YOU ARE YOU ARE RECOMMENDING

THE ENTIRE CHAPTER CHANGE.

SO WE WOULD RESEARCH AND PROVIDE BACK TO YOU A TIERED

SYSTEM THAT WOULD LOOK TO CAPTURE SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT

LEVELS OF THE APPLICATIONS AND REQUESTS COMING IN.

THE SECOND WOULD BE TO CLARIFY THE APPLICATION

REQUIREMENTS.

RIGHT NOW AN APPLICATION CAN COME IN AND SAY, I WANT TO

CHANGE TEXT BUT WON'T WRITE THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF WHAT'S

BEING REQUESTED.

SO STAFF IS ACTUALLY SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY RIGHT NOW,

AND TAKING AN APPLICANT'S IDEA AND THEN PUTTING IN THE

TEXT SO WE WOULD ASK THAT THE APPLICATION BE CHANGED TO

EXCLUDE THE EXACT TEXT THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR, A

WRITTEN JUSTIFICATION AND EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ASSOCIATED

WITH THAT, AND THEN WHAT CODE SECTIONS ARE BEING IMPACTED

BY THAT PROPOSED MODIFICATION.

SO IF YOU ARE MAKING, FOR EXAMPLE, A PARKING CHANGE TO

STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL, YOUR STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL

PARKING IS FIVE DIFFERENT TABLES OF THE CODE SO THEY




WOULD NEED TO BE SHOWING US ALL CHANGES, AND RIGHT NOW

THAT ONUS SITS ON STAFF TO FIND THOSE CHANGES AND MAKE

THEM THROUGHOUT.

AND WE STILL WOULD BE DOING THAT.

WE WOULD JUST BE DOING THAT MORE FROM THE REVIEW AND

IMPLEMENTATION STAGE THAN THE ACTUAL GENERATING THOSE

MODIFICATIONS.

THE THIRD WOULD BE TO REQUIRE A MUST BE INFORMATION

OUTREACH BY THE APPLICANT.

IN SOME JURISDICTIONS, PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION, AS

LACHONE DISCUSSED, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE

REQUESTING AS WELL, SUGGESTS AS WELL, THAT WE HAVE A

PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION, THE PRIVATE APPLICANT WOULD

HOLD THAT.

THE APPLICANT, RATE NOW IT'S KIND OF AN ODYSSEY BECAUSE

IT APPEARS THAT STAFF IS SITTING IN AN ADVOCACY ROLE FOR

THE APPLICANT STAFF AMENDMENT BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES

THAT GENERATED THAT AMENDMENT.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS

WELL.

STAFF WOULD EVALUATE THE AMENDMENT AND MAKE A

RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT

ENDMENT BUT LIGHT RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR HOW

THAT IS BEING DONE AND UNDER WHAT CONTEXT.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT CLARIFIED AS WELL.




LASTLY,

WOULD BE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT, PRESENT THE AMENDMENT AT

THE PLANNING COMMISSION BRIEFING AND HEARING.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE FOURTH RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD GO

ALONG WITH THE PRIVATE INITIATED AMENDMENT.

02:40:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION,

ABBEY?

02:40:18 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT IS THE END OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT

PRESENTATION, YES.

02:40:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COUNCIL.

MR. DINGFELDER, AND MR. MANISCALCO SECOND.

02:40:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU, LADIES.

SO GOING BACK TO THE CORE ISSUE ABOUT PRIVATELY INITIATED

ENDMENTS, SO IF I AM JOE CITIZEN OR JOSEPHINE CITIZEN,

OR MAYBE I'M A T.H.A.N., THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, OR

MAYBE I'M CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A VERY INVOLVED

NEIGHBORHOOD PERSON, AND I HAVE GOT A GOOD IDEA ABOUT A

CHAPTER 27 AMENDMENT, WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS AS THAT TYPE OF

PERSON?

WELL, MY EXPERIENCE TELLS ME THE OPTIONS, OR THE WAY THEY

GO ABOUT, IS THEY CONTACT THEIR ELECTED OFFICIAL, US, AND

THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS PART OF

CHAPTER 7, 27, NEEDS CHANGING.

AND THEY COME TO THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, OR MAYBE




THEY MENTION IT TO YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE AT ONE

OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN HE INVOLVES LIKE THAT.

I KIND OF EQUATE IT TO TALLAHASSEE, OR WASHINGTON.

IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT YOU THINK IS GREAT, YOU ARE NOT

ALLOWED TO WALK INTO TALLAHASSEE TO THE CAPITOL BUILDING

AND PUT IT ON THE FLOOR AS YOUR BILL PRIVATELY INITIATED

BILL.

YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ONE OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVES.

WELL OR MAYBE A STAFF PERSON AND GET MOMENTUM THAT WAY.

I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY WEIRD THAT IF YOU

HAVE GOT THE MONEY, OKAY, AND YOU HAVE GOT LAWYERS, OR

EXPERTS, THAT YOU CAN JUST WALK INTO CITY COUNCIL, WITH

GREAT MOMENTUM, WITH A CHAPTER 27 AMENDMENT.

AND YOU HAVE A TOTALLY UNEVEN PLAYING FIELD WITH JOE

CITIZEN, OR JOSEPHINE CITIZEN, OR T.H.A.N., OR

NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OR CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

I JUST THINK THAT'S WEIRD.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT'S WRONG.

I THINK MR. SHELBY, YOU WERE DOING A LITTLE MORE

ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, AND ABBEY, I APPRECIATE YOU AND

LACHONE SHOWED US FOUR OR FIVE JURISDICTIONS, BUT MR.

SHELBY, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, YOU WERE DOING A LITTLE

MORE RESEARCH IN TERMS OF LOOKING ALL ACROSS THE STATE TO

SEE HOW PREVALENT THIS IS AND THAT SORT OF THING?




02:42:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, MR. DINGFELDER.

02:42:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

02:42:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I HAD ASKED TO BE CONTINUED THE LAST MEETING AND IT IS

SCHEDULED TO COME BACK ON THE 24th AT YOUR WORKSHOP

ON JUNE 24th.

AND, YES, THE SCOPE OF MY RESEARCH IS BROADER, MORE

POPULATION BASED THROUGHOUT THE STATE, PERHAPS EVEN

FOCUSING ON STRONG MAYOR FORMS OF GOVERNMENTS AND ALSO

INCLUDING THE PROCESS OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT

ENDMENTS AS WELL.

SO THIS IS SOLELY FOR CHAPTER 27 TODAY.

SO I WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU ON THE 24th WITH SOME

MORE INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE OF VALUE TO YOU.

02:43:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THAT INFORMATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND WE

PROBABLY SHOULD TAKE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION THAT MS.

FEELEY AND MS. DOCK HAVE BROUGHT TO US AND DEFER IT OVER

UNTIL MR. SHELBY GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF HIS RESEARCH ON

THAT.

BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM ORIGINALLY, THAT I

JUST QUESTION THE EXISTENCE OF THIS PRIVATELY INITIATED,




BECAUSE I THINK I FEEL THE PLAYING FIELD IS UNEVEN IN

TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND

DOLLARS, DO THIS, AND THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH

THE TYPICAL LEGISLATIVE PROCESS IN APPROACHING US.

ABBEY, YOU MENTIONED ON THE PENDING -- MR. MICHELINI AND

MR. LUM'S PENDING PROPOSALS, THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION

SESSION IS IN JUNE?

02:44:34 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
JUNE 7th AT 6:00 P.M.

AND WE HAVE SENT OUT NOTICE.

02:44:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IS THERE A LOCATION OR IS IT ZOOM OR

WHAT?

02:44:43 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
VIRTUAL.

02:44:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT'S VIRTUAL.

OKAY.

02:44:45 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IN PERSON BUT

WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS VIRTUAL.

WE HAVE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO OUR MAIL LIST FOR THE

TAMPA -- WE ALSO POSTED WITH THE CITY CLERK, AND THEN WE

HAVE IT ON OUR WEBSITE.

02:45:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT MARAI CAN

CIRCULATE TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.

IN REGARD TO THE PUBLIC, QUOTE, PUBLICLY INITIATED

ENDMENT, WHICH BASICALLY I THINK IS JUST

COUNCIL-INITIATED AMENDMENTS, ALTHOUGH IT APPEARS THAT




YOU HAVE ADDED THE MAYOR OR ADMINISTRATION'S INITIATED

ENDMENTS, AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU ARE CALLING

PUBLIC, RIGHT, ABBEY?

02:45:34 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.

02:45:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
TRADITIONALLY FOR SOME REASON,

COUNCIL IN THE PAST LIMITED OURSELVES TO TWICE A YEAR.

AND I BROUGHT THIS UP, WHO KNOWS, A YEAR AGO, AND I SAID,

WHY ARE WE LIMITING OURSELVES TO TWICE A YEAR?

BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE MIGHT BE A PRESSING ISSUE THAT WE

WANT TO MOVE ON MORE RAPIDLY.

I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST DO IT

WILLY-NILLY 52 WEEKS A YEAR AND THROB THAT AT YOU.

BUT WHAT I SAID BEFORE, AND I AM GOING TO REPEAT IT AGAIN

TODAY, IS IT APPEARS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION STILL SAYS

THAT WE SHOULD BE LIMITED TO TWICE A YEAR IN TERMS OF

THAT CYCLE.

I WOULD SAY THAT IF THERE'S FOUR POTENTIAL CYCLES GOING

ON THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENTER QUARTERLY AT ANY GIVEN

TIME IN THAT QUARTER.

AND THAT WOULD BE OUR LEGISLATIVE DECISION TO MAKE THAT

CHANGE.

AND AGAIN, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY WE WANT TO HAVE OUR

HANDS TIED.

WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO STAFF AND TO YOUR

TIME.




BUT IF YOU ARE LAYING OUT A QUARTERLY SCHEDULE, I THINK

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUMP IN AT ANY ONE OF THOSE

QUARTERS.

SO I AM THROWING THAT OUT THERE TO CITY COUNCIL FOR

DISCUSSION.

BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM A YEAR AGO WHEN I

BROUGHT THIS UP.

02:46:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO?

02:47:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST BRIEFLY ON THE FEE, WHICH IS

BEING ADDRESSED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEES ARE GOING TO BE.

I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO US.

BUT I CALCULATED THAT WE ARE 45% OF THE NEXT CHEAPEST,

WHICH IS 666 AND 50 CENTS COMPARED TO HILLSBOROUGH WHICH

IS 1495.

I THINK SOMEONE PAYS A THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST TO PUT AN

APPLICATION TO VACATE AN ALLEY.

YET SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE, WHATEVER IT IS, BIG OR

SMALL, THEY ARE ONLY GETTING IT FOR $666.

I MEAN IT'S NOT EVEN COMPETITIVE.

WE ARE GIVING OF THE AWAY.

AND THERE'S A LOSS OF REVENUE THERE.

AND JUST THE NUMBER 666!

I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I AM GLAD WE ARE CHANGING THAT,

666 AND 13 CENTS AT THIS POINT.




BUT YOU ARE ALREADY ADDRESSING IT.

I MEAN, EVEN IF IT BECOMES $1,000 OR IF IT'S TIERED

STRUCTURED DEPENDING ON WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS APPLYING

FOR, WE HAVE LOST A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY I THINK

OVER THE YEARS SO I AM GLAD YOU ARE BRINGING THAT UP.

AND I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER WAS JUST

SAYING, HE TOUCHED ON QUITE A FEW ISSUES.

AND THOSE ARE MY ONLY CONCERNS.

THANK YOU.

02:48:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

02:48:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.

I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S 666, 50 IS BETTER THAN 666.66.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP, SIR.

AND I AM LOOKING AT WHAT MR. DINGFELDER SAID AND I AGREE

WITH HIM PARTLY, AND THE PUBLIC INITIATED MOTION TO BRING

SOMETHING UP COULD VERY WELL THE SAME ONES THAT THE

COUNCIL BRINGS IN WHEN THE PUBLIC COMES TO SEE THE SEVEN

ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE MAYOR EIGHT, THEY MAY BE

SOMETHING THAT WE BRING IT UP AS PART OF THE GENERAL

DUTIES THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.

SO NOW IF THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL POLICYHOLDER, A PUBLIC

OWNER OF A LAND THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, HE OR SHE CAN

DO IT AND PAY THE FEE.

BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN GENERAL THAT WOULD CHANGE FOR

THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE CITIZENS, THEN I THINK THAT THE




COUNCIL GETTING THE LETTERS, GETTING THE INFORMATION,

HAVING THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE GENERAL

PUBLIC, IN GENERAL, OR LIKELY ONE OF THE COUNCIL REQUESTS

OR ONE OF THE MAYOR REQUESTS TO GO THROUGH, I CAN SEE

WHERE THEY CAN GET IT DONE FOR MUCH LESS THAN 666.50 AS

THEY HAVE, CONTACT THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THEM NOT HAVING THE ABILITY, BUT

I THINK THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY IF THEY WORK THE SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

SO I THINK TO ME IT'S THE SYSTEM THERE.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT $666.50 AND I LOOKED AT THE

COMPARABLE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AT 1450, OTHER THAN 2,000,

OTHERS AT 2200, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE DESIRED

THERE, AND MS. FEELEY AND MRS. DOCK, LOOKING AT COSTS.

MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US AT THE REVIEW OF COSTS WHAT IT

REALLY COSTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOURS THAT YOU ALL

PUT IN AND IT'S NOT ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, IT'S COUNTLESS

PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA OR THE GENERAL

TAXPAYERS THAT ARE USING THAT FUND TO FUND THE PROJECT,

TO AIR IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A CONCERTED EFFORT AS FAR AS THE REAL

COSTS, AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS TO WHAT IT ACTUALLY

COSTS.

I AM NOT AGAINST RAISING FEES OR LOWERING FEES DEPENDING

ON THE NEEDS OF SOCIETY.




THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

02:50:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

02:50:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THE

SETTING OF FEES WAS RAISED INITIALLY BY MR. MANISCALCO,

IN THE SENSE THAT HE MENTIONED IT WOULD BE COMING BACK TO

COUNCIL. I WANT TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS OF SETTING FEES

IN YOUR DEPARTMENT.

ABBEY -- WILL IT BE COMING BACK TO THEN, THE SETTING OF

FEES?

02:50:45 >> THEY HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.

DO YOU HAVE IT?

THAT'S PROBABLY HOW IT GOT TO 666, BECAUSE OF THE ONE

PERCENTAGE INCREASE YEARS AGO.

02:51:01 >> IT IS SET BY RESOLUTION.

I WANT TO COME BACK FIRST WITH WHAT WE ARE GOING TO

RECOMMEND.

I JUST WANTED TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS WITH YOU TODAY WHETHER

OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE, OR BE SUPPORTED

TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD BE ONE

OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN EVALUATING THE ENTIRE -- THE

PROCESS WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

02:51:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. DINGFELDER.

02:51:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.

MR. MIRANDA, I JUST WANT TO MENTION ONE THING.

I APPRECIATE YOUR KIND WORDS EARLIER.




WHEN THE PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENTS COME IN TO US

LIKE THE ONE THAT MR. MICHELINI AND MR. LUM HAVE PENDING,

THEY ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO ONE PARCEL.

THEY ARE AMENDING THE ENTIRE CODE AS RELATED TO ALL THE

PUBLIC, AS YOU STATED.

SO OFTEN -- AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE KIND OF

SLOWED THEM DOWN AND SAID, WAIT A SECOND, YOU NEED TO GO

TALK TO THE PUBLIC AND THIS NEEDS TO BE VETTED MUCH MORE,

BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, IT'S NOT LIKE A SMALL

NOUN COMP PLAN AMENDMENT OR REZONING THAT JUST APPLIES TO

ONE PARCEL.

WHEN THEY DO THESE CHAPTER 27 AMENDMENTS, THEY IMPACT

EVERYBODY.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD CONCEPT IS

REALLY FAIR.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK WE SHOULD ELIMINATE PRIVATELY

INITIATED AMENDMENTS AND LET EVERYBODY USE THE PUBLIC

PROCESS, WHICH IS THROUGH US, AND THROUGH STAFF, OR

THROUGH THE MAYOR, OR JUST COME IN THROUGH THE NORMAL

CHANNELS INSTEAD OF PAY TO PLAY.

THANK YOU.

02:52:52 >> [OFF MICROPHONE] AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WASN'T USING ANY NAMES.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A HASSLE LATER ON IN LIFE.

IF SOMETHING THAT I SAID OR DIDN'T SAY.




THAT'S WHY I USED THE TERM THAT I DID.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF I SAID THAT.

02:53:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?

02:53:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I GUESS ON BOTH OF THESE ISSUES,

SINCE MR. SHELBY HAS A LITTLE MORE WORK TO COME BACK

PROBABLY LIKE TO BRING IT BACK.

IS THAT THE NEXT WORKSHOP, MR. SHELBY?

02:53:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S WHAT IT'S SET FOR, COUNCIL.

AGAIN MY APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY.

IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

BUT YES, THIS IS COMING BACK.

WHAT YOU HAD ASKED OF ME IS COMING BACK ON THE 24th

OR JUNE WORKSHOP.

02:53:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.

SO IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I WOULD -- WITH ALL

DUE RESPECT.

I KNOW WE DRAG ON THINGS SOMETIMES BUT FOR VERY GOOD

REASON.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. SHELBY'S RESEARCH AND COME BACK

AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP IN JUNE.

02:53:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.

02:53:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY

MANISCALCO.

02:54:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S JUNE -- YES.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF.




02:54:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE 9 A.M. IS THE ONE THAT I AM

PRESENTLY ON THE CALENDAR FOR ON THE 24th.

02:54:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET'S BIG I BACK TO THE ONE ALREADY

ON THE SCHEDULE.

02:54:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

02:54:21 >> CHAIRMAN GUDES?

02:54:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, COMING BACK ON THE

24th.

THE CLERK WANTS CLARIFICATION.

02:54:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, IT'S NOT MY RECOMMENDATION.

THERE WAS A MOTION MADE LAST WEEK TO PUT THAT ITEM ONTO

THE 24th, AND I BELIEVE IT'S COUNCILMEMBER

DINGFELDER'S MOTION TO ADD THESE ITEMS TO COME BACK AT

THAT TIME.

IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

02:54:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CLERK?

CORRECT.

02:54:52 >>THE CLERK:
[OFF MICROPHONE]

02:54:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ON THE FLOOR BUT DISCUSSION.

MS. FEELEY.

02:54:59 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I JUST WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND

TO THE PART OF WHAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID.

SO RIGHT NOW PUBLICLY INITIATED AMENDMENT ARE ROLLING AT

ALL TIMES.

AND WE HAVE THE TWO PRIVATELY INITIATED CYCLES THAT




SOMETIMES ARE QUITE VOLUMINOUS, SO TO SPEAK, AS TO WHAT

COMES IN.

SO I THINK PART OF OUR INTENT WAS TO GIVE DEDICATED TIME

AND STAFF RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO REALLY LOOK AT THOSE

ENDMENTS THAT ARE COMING FORTH FROM THE COUNCIL IN A

MORE RESPONSIVE AND THOROUGH WAY THAN WHAT RESOURCES

ALLOW IF WE JUST KEEP TACKING THEM ON AND KEEP THAT KIND

OF ROLLING SCHEDULE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO CREATE THOSE TWO TIMES OF YEAR

WHEN WE WOULD BE FOCUSED ON THOSE MATTERS OF IMPORTANCE

THAT ARE COMING FRACTURE FROM THE COUNCIL OR FROM THE

ADMINISTRATION, OR FROM THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE COUNCIL

AND BACK TO YOU.

IF WE WERE TO JUST KEEP THEM TAGGED ONTO THE PRIVATELY

INITIATED CYCLES, I WOULD SAY THEN PLEASE JUST GIVE US

TWO CYCLES AND THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF

APPLICATIONS AGAIN, BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE

WHERE I SHOWED YOU THE DIFFERENCE THAT IT REQUIRES A LOT

OF OUR TEAM, OUR TEAM OF ONE, TO BE PROCESSING THESE AT

ALL TIMES.

AND THAT REALLY IS WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT FOR NO PRIVATELY INITIATED

ENDMENT.

BUTT I DID RESPOND TO SEE IF ANY OF THAT RESEARCH WAS

AVAILABLE TO INCORPORATE, AND IT WASN'T, AND THEY DIDN'T




WANT TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION TODAY TILL A LATER DATE.

SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON

THAT.

THAT'S KIND WHY WE ARE DOING IT TODAY, IS WE ARE ONE OF

THOSE CYCLES THAT IS JUST KIND OF OUT THERE, AND I WOULD

LIKE TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOME STRUCTURE TO THAT, THAT WOULD

ULTIMATELY ALLOW US, I THINK, TO DO A BETTER JOB IN THE

LONG RUN OF PROCESSING THESE AND REALLY ADDRESSING THE

MODIFICATIONS AND THE INTENT BEHIND THEM.

02:57:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:


02:57:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO MR. SHELBY.

02:57:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

02:57:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.

MS. FEELEY, I HEAR YOU AND I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD

IDEAS IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I KNOW STAFF TIME IS

ALWAYS LIMITED AND YOU GUYS ARE OVERWORKED AND I

APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT.

WAY WOULD SUGGEST IS BETWEEN NOW AND THE JUNE WORKSHOP

THAT WE MEET AND CONVENE.

I SEE MS. POST ON THE SCREEN AS WELL, AND I URGE HER TO

BE THERE AS WELL AND I AM TOTALLY AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH

YOU GUYS IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY TO KIND OF HASH THIS OUT

AND SEE WHERE WE GO.

BUT THAT'S JUST ONE COUNCILMAN, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT SINCE IT WAS MY ORIGINAL MOTION, I WOULD BE MORE THAN




HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS.

02:57:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY

DINGFELDER.

SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

WE HAD DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:57:56 >> I HAVE ANOTHER ITEM.

02:58:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

02:58:12 >> ONE OF THE OTHER DIRECTIVES WAS TO TRY, AND REMEMBER I

CAME TO YOU A WHILE BACK ABOUT HOW WE DID -- THE CITY

USED TO HAVE A PROCESS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION --

ADMINISTRATIVE CREATION OF LOTS, AND THE 80% RULE THAT

TURNED INTO A SPECIAL USE, AND LATER ON WAS ELIMINATED,

AND LOTS BECAME PDS.

I BELIEVE YOU WERE SEEING A LOT OF THESE AND SOME OF THEM

WERE VERY MINOR.

AND THE QUESTION WAS RAISED AS TO COULD THERE POTENTIALLY

BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR A 5% SPLIT -- I'M SORRY,

WHEN A LOT WAS 5% LESS THAN THE ZONING LOT REQUIREMENTS,

AND WE DID SOME RESEARCH ON THAT, AND THEN TODAY WE ARE

BACK WITH YOU TO PRESENT THAT AND OUR RECOMMENDATION ON

THAT MOTION.




AND ERIC IS HERE.

ERIC IS HERE WITH ME THIS AFTERNOON.

AND WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION REAL

QUICK.

IT'S ONLY A COUPLE SLIDES.

02:59:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU MAY PROCEED.

02:59:30 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OKAY, SULING, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO HERE IS THE MOTION THAT CAME DOWN AND THE 5% THAT WAS

RELATED TO IT IN RELATION TO THE CRITERIA. SO NEXT

SLIDE.

WHAT WE DID, COUNCIL, WAS WE WENT AHEAD AND LOOKED AT THE

REZONINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED BY YOU, AND WE REVIEWED 22

OF THE APPROVED ZONING CASES THAT REQUESTED LOT SPLITS,

AND FELT WE PUT IN WERE THE PDS.

AN AVERAGE OF THE 10 PDS, THE LOT REDUCTION WAS 17%.

SO IN RELATION TO ESTABLISHING A 5%, WOULD NOT HAVE

CAPTURED THOSE 10 MOST RECENT CASES THAT CAME TO YOU AS

PDS.

THAT BEING SAID, AND KIND OF BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN THE

OLD 80 PERCENT RULE AND THE 5% THAT WAS BEING REQUESTED

FOR EVALUATION, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE

TO HAVE THE PROCESS, THAT FOR EXAMPLE, ON A 10 PERCENT

PROCESS IN THE RS-60 WHICH IS A 60 BY 100 LOT, THAT WOULD

ALLOW FOR THE CREATION OF A 54-FOOT LOT, 54 BY 100, AS AN

ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.




AND TO MENTION THAT IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE

SPECIAL DISTRICTS, THEY ALREADY HAVE A BUILDABLE LOT

PROVISION FOR PLOTTED LOTS.

IN EAST TAMPA WHERE YOU HAVE SOME 38-FOOT PLATTED LOTS,

THOSE WOULDN'T BE ADMINISTRATIVE, THEY ARE ALLOWED BY

RIGHT, AND WE DO HAVE -- NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

-- A SLIDE THAT ILLUSTRATES FOR YOU THOSE DISTRICTS THAT

HAVE THE LOT OF RECORD, THE OLD WIDTH, THE DATE OF WHICH

THE LOT, THE OVERLAY OR THE SPECIAL DISTRICT WAS CREATED,

AS OF JANUARY 1st OF 2008 OR 2006.

IF YOU ARE A LEGAL OWNER OF RECORD IN ANY OF THESE AREAS

DEPENDING ON THEIR IMPLEMENTATION DATE, YOU ARE

CONSIDERED A BUILDABLE LOT AND YOU WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED

TO HAVE SPLIT OR TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR TO

BE BUILT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE TODAY, AND IF YOU ARE IN

AGREEMENT WITH THIS, WE WOULD AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE A

PUBLIC INFORMATION -- WE WOULD INCLUDE THIS IN OUR PUBLIC

INFORMATION SESSION ON JUNE 7th, AND THEN WE WOULD

COME BACK TO YOU IN AUGUST WITH THE ACTUAL CODE LANGUAGE

FOR CONSIDERATION BASED ON THE FOLLOWING, AND ERIC AND

MYSELF HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE, AND

GETTING THEM TOGETHER, BUT WE DID WANT TO START OFF WITH

JUST THE GENERAL CONCEPT WITH YOU TODAY.




AND THE FIRST IS TO ALLOW FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE CREATION

OF THESE LOTS UNDER THIS 10% THROUGH THE FORMAL DECISION

PROCESS, THAT IS A NOTICED PROCESS, SO THERE WOULD BE

PUBLIC NOTICE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THOSE APPLICATIONS,

AND THEN WE WOULD CREATE THE CRITERIA THAT GOES WITH

THOSE, AND THAT WOULD BE 10% OF THE REQUIRED -- REDUCTION

OF UP TO 10% OF THE REQUIRED LOT DIMENSION AND/OR LOT

WIDTH.

IT WOULD NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT

PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND WE PUT THAT 1320

WHICH IS A QUARTER MILE, AND THEN THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO

GRANT THE RECOGNITION OF ANY EXISTING SETBACKS.

SO WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE A DOUBLE LOT, AND

YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE ON ONE PORTION OF THAT, OR ON THE

ORIGINAL PLATTED LOT ON ONE SIDE, THEN YOU HAVE A VACANT

PLATTED LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND PEOPLE COME IN, AND

THIS WILL BE TO RECOGNIZE ON THAT INTERIOR LOT LINE, IF

THERE WAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THERE, RIGHT NOW THAT

PERSON HAS TO GO AND GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT SETBACK, IF

IT DOES NOT MEET THE SEVEN FEET OR THEY COME TO YOU

THROUGH A PD, TO GRANT THAT INTERIOR LOT SETBACK FOR THAT

EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, BE

ALLOWED TO RECOGNIZE THAT.

NOT TO VIEW IT AS A VARIANCE BUT TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A

NONCONFORMING CHARACTERISTIC OF THE SITE.




AND THAT'S DIFFERENT, BECAUSE IN A VARIANCE, IT

ACTUALLY -- LET'S SAY IT'S 6 FEET, AND THEN IT CAN BE

BUILT BACK.

IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD RECOGNIZE IT BUT IT WOULD NOT VEST

IT AND IN THE FUTURE IF THAT HOUSE WERE DEMOED AND

REBUILD IT WOULD MEET CODE.

SO THAT IS OUR THIRD RECOMMENDATION IN RELATION TO THAT.

AND THEN WE JUST HAD SOME GENERAL LANGUAGE CLEAN-UP WHERE

IT TALKS ABOUT RECONFIGURATION AND REORIENTATION AND WE

ARE LOOKING TO BRING THAT UP AND HAVE THAT IN A FORUM

ACROSS THAT CODE SECTION WHICH CURRENTLY IS SECTION 27-11

OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

03:05:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER.

03:05:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, ABBEY.

THAT WAS -- AND ERIC.

THAT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.

AND COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE -- I THINK IT'S THE FIRST

SLIDE OR THE SECOND SLIDE?

KEEP GOING.

NO.

OKAY.

NEXT ONE.

STAFF REVIEWED 22 REZONING CASES, 10 WERE PREPONDERANCE

OF THE EVIDENCES, AN AVERAGE OF 17%.

I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE MEDIAN WAS.




THE REASON THIS JUMPED OUT AT ME, AND I THINK THE REST OF

COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHO SUPPORTED MY MOTION, WAS WE WERE --

SOMEBODY WAS TWO FEET OFF AND THEY HAD TO COME IN FOR AN

ENTIRE PD, AND HOW MUCH DID THAT COST, ABBEY, A COUPLE

THOUSAND AT LEAST?

AND SIX MONTHS, MAYBE 3 OR 4,000, AND SIX MONTHS, AND

YADA YADA YADA, BECAUSE THEY WERE TWO FEET OFF, FOR

WHATEVER REASON.

AND THERE WERE DIFFERING REASONS.

SO AND THAT TWO FEET COULD BE ACCOMMODATED BY THE 5%.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING WITH THE 10%, PERHAPS A

LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN I MIGHT WANT TO GO.

I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE THIS CONCEPT AND

TAKE IT OUT AND VET IT TO THE PUBLIC.

I'M SURE THE DEVELOPERS WOULD BE THRILLED WITH IT.

BUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THE DEVELOPMENT

COMMUNITY, AND SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT 5% VERSUS 10%.

BEFORE WE GIVE OUR FINAL DIRECTION, I THINK IT WOULD BE

GOOD TO HEAR FROM THEM.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT 60 FEET TO 54

FEET, YOU KNOW, NO PLACE LIKE VIRGINIA PARK, WHICH HAS

BEEN FIGHTING A LOT OF THESE, THEY MIGHT TAKE GREAT

OFFENSE TO THAT.

BUT MAYBE THEY COULD BE AMENABLE TO A 5% REDUCTION.

ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY FOLLOW-UP ON THIS.




03:07:22 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT REAL QUICK.

WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO GO BACK AND SEE OF THOSE THAT YOU

CONSIDERED HOW MANY WOULD WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE

ADMINISTRATIVELY VERSUS HAVE THEM COME TO YOU AS A PD,

AND I BELIEVE THE ANSWER WAS NONE AT 5%.

SO --

03:07:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I KNOW I HAVE SEEN -- I'M SORRY.

I KNOW I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THEM AT 2 OR 3 FEET, BECAUSE

THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF CAME UP WITH THE 5%.

MAYBE THEY WEREN'T PDS.

MAYBE THEY WERE EUCLIDIAN.

BUT MAYBE YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A LIST OF THOSE 22 CASES

SO WE COULD ACTUALLY SEE FIRST HAND.

SOMETIMES MEDIAN IS MORE INFORMATIVE THAN AVERAGE,

BECAUSE ONE OF THEM MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LOT, AND THAT COULD

SKEW THE AVERAGE. ANYWAY, I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:08:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM JUST SCRATCHING AROUND AND I AM

LISTENING TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND YOU HAVE A

SETBACK OF 7 FEET FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER SIDE

SETBACK, I THINK IT'S 7, RIGHT? SO YOU WANT TO GIVE 57%.

7 TIMES 12 IS 84 INCHES.

CORRECT?

03:08:38 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THIS IS THE LOT WIDTH.

03:08:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OH, LOT WIDTH.




THE SAME PRINCIPLE TO THE LOT WIDTH.

IF YOU TAKE 5% OF THE LOT WIDTH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

LOT WIDTH IS, LET'S SAY 70 FEET WIDE, I GUESS, AND 50

FEET, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT AND YOU TAKE IT BACK BY

INCHES, WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MAY BE 4.5 INCHES

DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO GIVE.

5% MEANS AND AWFUL LOT IN DIFFERENT MATHEMATICAL AREAS.

IF IT'S A 20-FOOT THING SETBACK AND YOU ARE ONLY GIVING

5%, YOU CAN'T TELL THE NAKED EYE CAN'T TELL.

BUT THE SMALLER THE SETBACK AND 5% EQUAL TO THE SAME SUMS

OF THOSE NUMBERS LOOKS MUCH GREATER BECAUSE YOU ARE

CLOSER AND YOU ARE ALREADY CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AND IT'S

MUCH CLOSER.

FOLLOW ME?

THE METRICS, I DON'T FIGURE IT OUT QUITE IN MY MIND HOW

SOMETHING IS GOING TO LOOK VERY DIFFERENT IF YOU ARE

ALREADY CLOSE TO NOT HAVING A SETBACK.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE 5%, BUT I HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT

METRICS TO SEE HOW IT LOOKS IN DIFFERENT SIZE LOTS.

03:09:53 >>: SO I GUESS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT MIGHT APPLY TO A

50-FOOT LOT OR MORE LIKELY A 60-FOOT LOT.

ACTUALLY, I GUESS WE HAVE SEEN THEM ON 50-FOOT LOTS.

SO 50 FEET, 5% REDUCTION WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF FEET.

60 FEET, 5% LEE DUCKS WOULD BE 3 FEET.

SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME TO




COUNCIL FOR THAT TWO AND A HALF FOOT OR THREE FOOT

MODIFICATION, BASICALLY USUALLY WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT

THE LOT WIDTH AT THE STREET.

SO INSTEAD OF COMING TO COUNCIL AT TWO AND A HALF FEET OR

THREE FEET, WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT CONSIDERING IS

MAYBE LET THEM DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY, AND MR. MIRANDA,

YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT 80% RULE THAT MS. SAUL-SENA

VEHEMENTLY HATED,.

03:10:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE IT WAS --

03:10:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND ULTIMATELY GOT RID OF THE 80%

RULE.

BUT I THINK ABBEY WAS A 20% REDUCTION, RIGHT?

ERIC IS SHAKING HIS HEAD FOR THE RECORD.

SO THAT WAS PRETTY STREAM.

THAT BASICALLY SAID, HEY, IF YOU ARE WITHIN 20%, YOU

KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL, YOU DON'T HAVE

TO GET A VARIANCE, MAYBE YOU CAN DO IT ADD MECHANISM OR

WHATEVER.

THAT WAS PRETTY EXTREME.

WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS STILL A LITTLE BIT OF

RELIEF FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER, BUT NOT TOO MUCH.

03:11:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ELSE?

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

03:11:29 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN I COME BACK, IF YOU COME BACK,

PLEASE SEPARATE THESE SO WE CAN VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY.




SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. DINGFELDER SAID AT THE END.

I THINK 10% IS WAY TOO MUCH.

THERE ARE TOO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH

TAMPA.

MR. NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS WE SHOULDN'T TREAT OTHER

NEIGHBORHOOD DIFFERENTLY.

BUT I THINK 10% WOULD BE UPSETTING TO LOTS OF PEOPLE.

BUT I WONDER ALSO EVEN IF IT'S 5%, BY THE WAY YOU WROTE

IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A NEW ENTITLEMENT.

SO INSTEAD OF 60 FEET, IT WOULD BE 57, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE

TO BUILD IN ITS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE ADMINISTRATION

SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A JUDGMENT BUT IT'S NOT A

GUARANTEED ENTITLEMENT?

03:12:12 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES THERE.

WERE CRITERIA THAT TALKED ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND THE

ESTABLISHMENT OF THE LOT.

UNDER THE GENERAL SECTION OF CREATION OF LOTS, IT'S IN

THE CODE.

03:12:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT'S NOT LOOSE DISCRETION.

IT'S SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE DISCRETION.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S CHECK BOXES.

THAT'S WHAT ABBEY THINKS.

SO STAFF WOULD REVIEW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT QUARTER

MILE CIRCLE.

AND IF IT'S COMPATIBLE TO ALLOW THAT 3 FAT REDUCTION,




THEN THEY COULD ALLOW IT.

03:12:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONLY THING I AM SUGGESTING IS IT NOT

BE AN AUTOMATIC ENTITLEMENT.

WE SEE SO MANY CASES WHERE PEOPLE COME BEFORE US EVEN ON

BIG ZONING CHANGES WHERE THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THE

ENTITLEMENT WILL CHANGE.

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB WITH EXPECTATION.

THANK YOU.

03:13:08 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF I COULD JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE ON

THIS, A 5% EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU HAD MENTIONED IT WOULD BE A

57-FOOT LOT.

SO THIS WOULD BE -- IF 57 FEET IS A TYPICAL SUBDIVISION

PLATTED LOT SIZE, AND IF THERE WERE A SUBDIVISION, AND

SOMEBODY HAD A LOT CURRENTLY WHERE THEY HAD 1134 FEET TO

A PLATTED LOTS AND THEY WERE COMING BACK, WHAT YOU

NORMALLY SEE BEFORE YOU IS PEOPLE COMING BACK WANTING TO

ESTABLISH THE PLATTED LOTS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THOSE

ZONING LOTS AND IN THIS CASE IF SOMEBODY HAD 114 FEET IT

WAS TWO PLATTED 57-FOOT LOTS, THROUGH A 5%

ADMINISTRATIVE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT SINGLE

LOT AS TWO 57-FOOT LOTS WITHOUT COMING BEFORE CITY

COUNCIL.

SO WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT LIST, THE 22, AND

GIVE YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT.

AND INITIALLY I'M NOT SURE THAT A 5%, HOW MANY




APPLICATIONS THAT'S REALLY GOING TO SAVE YOU SO IN SAID

BEING UP THE WHOLE PROCESS.

BUT LET US EVALUATE THAT AND WE CAN COME BACK AND TAKE

TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.

03:14:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIR.

03:14:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

03:14:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ADD THAT TO YOUR DISCUSSION WITH

THE COMMUNITY IN JUNE, JUNE 4th, THE INFORMATION

SESSIONS, AS LONG AS WE ARE VETTING THESE KINDS OF ISSUES

TO INCLUDE THAT DISCUSSION, AND SEE WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK

WE GET ON 5% VERSUS 10%.

03:15:02 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WILL DO.

03:15:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT.

03:15:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.

03:15:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SHE'S GOING TO BRING THAT BACK OR

SHOULD WE BRING THAT BACK?

03:15:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JOHN 24th, RIGHT?

03:15:19 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DID HAVE A DEMO OF KIND OF AN UPDATE.

I KNOW I VERBALLY TALKED WITH YOU, AND I KNOW I VERBALLY

MENTIONED THIS EARLIER.

WE DO HAVE THAT JUNE 7th PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION,

THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING THE NOISE ITEMS, THE AMPLE FIND

SOUND ITEMS, THAT WE WORKSHOPPED WITH YOU ABOUT TWO




MONTHS AGO.

THE TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT

ONE I WOULD PROBABLY PUT ON HOLD AND THE INFORMATION

SESSION UNTIL WE GET MR. SHELBY'S RESEARCH AND WE KNOW

THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL ON THAT.

AND THEN THIS ITEM HERE ON THE 5%, 10%, WE CAN TALK ABOUT

THAT ON THE 7th.

AND THEN THE PRIVATE INITIATED AMENDMENT, THAT WAS ASKED

TO BE WORKSHOPPED AND THE PUBLIC IS ALSO BEING HANDLED ON

THE 7th.

THAT BEING SAID, I BELIEVE THAT MR. MICHELINI AND MR. LUM

ARE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK ON THE 24th WITH THEIR

FINDINGS FROM THE INFORMATION SESSION, AND THEN AN

OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THOSE TO YOU.

THEY HAVE NOT DONE UNDER THEIR PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED

STADIUM.

AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT WE ARE NOW

COMPILING AS THIS PACKAGE OF PUBLIC INITIATED AMENDMENT

THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK ON ONE

TRACK FOR YOU, AT THE END OF AUGUST.

SULING, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

COME FORWARD TOWARD THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

MINE IS NOT CHANGING.

MAYBE YOU ALL ARE SEEING SOMETHING.

OH, HERE WE GO. KEEP GOING.




KEEP GOING.

ONE MORE, ONE MORE.

THERE WE GO.

OOPS, WE PASSED IT.

ONE BACK.

THERE YOU GO.

SO YES, MR. MICHELINI AND MR. LUM COMING BACK ON THE

24th.

WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU ON THE 7th WITH THESE

ITEMS.

NOW, THE TEXT AMENDMENT PER YOUR DIRECTION SAY WE WILL

COME BACK WITH YOU TO LISTEN TO MARTY'S PRESENTATION ON

JUNE 24th AND SEE HOW THAT MAY IMPACT WHAT WE

DISCUSSED TODAY, AND ALSO COORDINATE WITH COUNCILMAN

DINGFELDER ON THAT MEETING AS REQUESTED.

03:17:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HOW ABOUT JUNE 24th ON THIS 5%

10:%?

THAT WAY, WE COULD BE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN WE GET TO

AUGUST 27th.

03:17:55 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OKAY.

03:17:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.

03:18:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT A MOTION?

03:18:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO YOU WANT A MOTION, MR. SHELBY?

03:18:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, I AM JUST ASKING WHETHER THE CLERK

WOULD WANT -- DO WE NEED A MOTION, MS. FEELEY?




OR NOT NECESSARY?

03:18:13 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AS LONG AS THE CLERK IS AWARE THAT WE

ARE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ON THE 24th, OR A

MOTION TO BRING IT BACK ON THE 24th.

03:18:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT FOR THE

CLERK, THIS 5% OR 10% FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD VARIANCE,

OR FORGIVENESS OR WHATEVER, ISSUE WILL COME BACK ON THE

24th FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.

03:18:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND, IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME.

03:18:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY

MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ALL OPPOSED?

ANY OPPOSED?

ALL RIGHT, MOTION GRANTED BY CONSENT.

ANYTHING ELSE?

03:19:00 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

03:19:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

I AM GOING TO GO DOWN, OPEN UP FOR INFORMATION REPORTS

AND NEW BUSINESS.

AND THEN AT THE END I AM GOING TO SAY A FEW THINGS ABOUT

A SITUATION OF LAST WEEK, ASK FOR A MOTION.

MR. VIERA, ANYTHING, SIR?

03:19:18 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

YES, VERY BRIEFLY.




I MOTION FOR RENE WAR MAC AND SAM PIASSA TO COME BEFORE

CITY COUNCIL IN A REGULAR SESSION ON JULY 15th, 2021

AT 9:00 A.M. IN HONOR OF DISABILITY AWARENESS DAY TO

PROVIDE A FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION ON THE DOCUMENTARY

MOVIE "BECAUSE OF SAM."

03:19:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

03:19:45 >>LUIS VIERA:
THEN HOUSE BILL 53, MANY WERE AFRAID WAS

GOING TO BE A BILL ON OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE WORKED WITH

MAYOR CASTOR AND ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER, TO PASS, AND

I AM PRETTY DARN SURE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT I WOULD LIKE

TO HAVE STAFF -- I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A WEIRD

BILL, BUT WHATEVER.

IT APPEARS TO BE A BILL THAT PREEMPTS ORDINANCES WHERE

THERE ARE STATE DOLLARS USED AND WOULDN'T APPEAR TO BE

RELEVANT FOR US BUT I MOTION FOR STAFF TO REPORT ON THE

IMPACT TO CITY OF TAMPA THE APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE AND

WE CAN DO THAT AT THE END OF JULY IS FINE.

WHATEVER THE CLERK CAN PUT IT IN.

03:20:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. VIERA, IF THAT'S THE CASE,

CONGRATULATIONS.

03:20:39 >>LUIS VIERA:
LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

WE'LL SEE.

03:20:42 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]




03:20:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. VIERA, SECONDED BY MR.

MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

03:20:52 >>LUIS VIERA:
NOTHING ELSE, SIR.

THANK YOU.

03:20:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON.

03:20:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE IN OTHER CITIES

AND I HAVE SEEN THE PRESS OF OTHER CITIES, OTHER CITIES

ARE HAVING PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMERICAN RESCUE

PLAN MONEY, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT WE SCHEDULED

ANYTHING ABOUT THAT YET.

SO UNLESS SOMEBODY KNOWS SOMETHING, I THINK WE SHOULD --

03:21:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, DIDN'T YOU ASK --

03:21:16 >>LUIS VIERA:
I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION IF YOU

LIKE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE ADMINISTRATION INDICATED THEY

WOULDN'T KNOW UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT'S ROUGHLY TIME TO

BEGIN TO PRESENT ON THE BUDGET.

SO IT WOULD KIND OF CONFLICT.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THAT'S

GREAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S $81 MILLION THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE

GETTING.

AND THERE'S SO MANY NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.




BUT WHAT I WOULD TOLD IS THAT WHEN THEY FINALLY GET AN

ANSWER IT WILL SORT OF CONFLICT WITH THE PRESENTATION OF

THE BUDGET.

SO IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW UP OR WHATEVER, I'M TOTALLY IN

AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

03:21:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION MR. VIERA AND I

HAD YESTERDAY.

AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THOSE FUNDS.

03:22:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH MR. ROGERO?

03:22:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S CORRECT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE FUNDS ABOUT MAKING A PRESENTATION

BECAUSE SOME FUND RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE HAVING HAVEN'T

DEFINED HOW THOSE FUNDS WILL BE USED YET, AND WITHIN THE

CITY GENERAL FUNDS.

03:22:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT A SEPARATE

DISCUSSION ON JUNE 24th.

03:22:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
N IS THE AGENDA TOO BUSY ON THAT

DATE?

03:22:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT MIGHT BE TOO EARLY, BUT A

DISCUSSION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL HAVE ALL THAT

INFORMATION AS OF YET.

03:22:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE

PUBLIC.

I AM GETTING LOTS MUCH COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARK BENCHES WITH

SPLINTERS, POTHOLES, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN




TO THE PUN, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ASKING US FOR BOAT

HOUSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY ARE ASKING US FOR BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

03:22:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

JUST SPEAKING WITH HIM -- I WOULD SAY MAYBE JULY.

BUT WOULDN'T HAVE THE TOTAL INFORMATION ON HOW IT'S GOING

TO WORK.

03:23:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW ABOUT JULY 15th, STAFF REPORT ON

JULY 15 THIS N SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE

HAVE CFO'S OFFICE PRESENT DURING STAFF REPORTS ON JULY

15th, ON THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN BUDGET, AND ANY

PROPOSALS TO SPEND IT AND ALSO WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON

THAT DAY OF THEIR IDEA HOW TO SPEND IT.

03:23:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO QUESTIONS THEN.

THE FIRST ACTUALLY BEING WHEN YOU SAY HEAR FROM THE

PUBLIC, THAT WOULD BE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT

BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE UNDER STAFF REPORT ON THE 15th.

IS THAT CORRECT?

03:23:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
OR ANOTHER FEEDBACK TO HEAR PUBLIC

FEEDBACK.

03:23:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION OF COUNCIL.

IT WOULD BE LOGISTICALLY DIFFERENT FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE

TO PREPARE FOR THAT.

ANOTHER POINT, AFTER HEARING WHAT CHAIRMAN GUDES HEARD

YESTERDAY FROM THE CFO, I THINK IN MY OPINION IT WOULD BE




EQUALLY IMPORTANT IF NOT MORE SO FOR THE PUBLIC TO

UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ATTACHED TO THAT, AND A PROCESS AND

WHAT IT CAN ANT CANNOT BE USED FOR, BEFORE THEY MAKE A

JUDGMENT, BEFORE THEY BRING THAT TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY

WERE NEW TO ME.

03:24:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN DOES THE BUDGET HAVE TO BE DONE?

IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEXT BUDGET AFTER JUNE IS SEPTEMBER, IS

THAT RIGHT?

03:24:31 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, WHEN DOES THE MAYOR USUALLY

PRESENT THE BUDGET?

03:24:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JULY, I BELIEVE.

03:24:39 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD, WHICH IS LOOK,

BY THE TIME WE HAVE AN ANSWER, IT'S GOING TO BE TIME TO

PRESENT THE BUDGET.

I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU MY PREFERENCE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS FOR THAT MONEY, AMONG MY

IDEAS IS A FIRE STATION FOR NORTH TAMPA, HELP FOR NEW

TAMPA, FIRE STATION FOR CHANNELSIDE, MORE HELP FOR WEST

TAMPA WITH THEIR GROWING AREAS, FIRE SAFETY AMONG THEM.

03:25:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET'S SEE IF MR. ROGERO CAN BRING US

BACK SOMETHING BY THE 15th.

03:25:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE

ASK CFO ON JULY 15th TO BRING A STAFF REPORT, HOW

MUCH MONEY THE CITY WILL BE GETTING FROM THE AMERICAN

RESCUE PLAN, AND WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR HOW CAN IT BE




SPENT.

03:25:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. CARLSON.

SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

CARRIES.

MR. DINGFELDER.

03:25:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS A LOT.

WE HAVE SOME GREAT COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WHO WE

HEAR FROM REGULARLY.

I WAS THINKING BACK A WAYS.

I THINK MOST OR SOME OF YOU KNOW MARGARET VIZZI.

MARGARET VIZZI WAS ONE OF THE -- STILL IS ONE OF THE TOP

NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I BELIEVE SHE

WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL FOUNDERS OF T.H.A.N.

T.H.A.N. IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS KIND OF WENT ON THE

DOWNTURN A LITTLE BIT BUT NOW IT'S COMING BACK UP.

AND THERE IS SOME NEW BLOOD, REVITALIZING T.H.A.N.

SO I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF

MONTHS.

WE HONOR OUR OWN WORKERS.

WE HONOR THE POLICE AND ATU AND THEY ARE ALL WELL

DESERVING.

BUT I WAS THINKING, AND THE COUNTY ALREADY DOES THIS,




THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER OF THE YEAR

AWARD IN RECOGNITION, GIVEN BY THE BODY, AND THAT WE

SHOULD CALL IT THE MARGARET VIZZI NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER OF

THE YEAR AWARD.

UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ANOTHER IDEA.

AND I AM TOTALLY OPEN TO IT.

03:26:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

MARGARET VIZZI --

03:26:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IN YOUR DISTRICT.

03:26:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN BEACH PARK AND I HAVE KNOWN HER

FOR A WHILE.

AND WHEN I WAS INVOLVED WITH T.H.A.N. BEFORE I GOT

ELECTED, STEVE LaBOUR WAS THERE, AND JERRY FRANKHOUSER,

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PASSED AWAY, AND FOR A TIME, I

REMEMBER GOING TO A MEETING WHERE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT

TO DO.

THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE, THEY

SAID WE'LL HELP YOU, AND A DYING AND DEAD GROUP.

BUT AS YOU ALREADY MENTIONED, IT'S BEEN REVITALIZED, NEW

BALLAD, AND KEEPING IT GOING, BECAUSE IT'S VERY

IMPORTANT.

SO I SUPPORT IT.

03:27:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A

VEHICLE OF T.H.A.N.

I JUST MENTIONED T.H.A.N. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MS. VIZZI




WAS THE STRONGEST.

BUT WE COULD FIGURE OUT SOME WAY HOW WE EVALUATE AND

MAYBE -- MAYBE MORAI CAN HELP US WITH SOME NOMINATIONS OR

IDEAS.

NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER MIGHT BE, AND WE SHOULD DEFINITELY

TRY TO SPREAD IT AROUND THE CITY SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS

COMING OUT OF A PARTICULAR AREA.

BUT MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE FOUR.

ONE FOR EACH DISTRICT.

SO ANYWAY, I TOSS IT OUT TO YOU GUYS.

AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK.

03:28:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION FOR MS. HOLMES TO BRING BACK A

POLICY FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD AWARD FOR THE DISTRICTS.

03:28:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND I LIKE THAT IDEA ONE FOR EACH

DISTRICT, AND SPREAD IT AROUND, SO EVERY YEAR, ONE FROM

EACH DISTRICT GETS A NOD AND A LITTLE RECOGNITION.

03:28:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.

03:28:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY DINGFELDER.

SECOND BY MANISCALCO.

03:28:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
GIVE HER A LITTLE TIME TO PONDER IT.

03:28:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JULY 15th OR LATER ON?

WHICH IS THE CITY OF TAMPA'S BIRTHDAY, LET'S NOT FORGET.

03:28:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT SOUND APPROPRIATE.

JULY 15th.




IS THAT A REGULAR MEETING?

03:28:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

03:28:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
STAFF REPORT.

03:28:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.

SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

NOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

03:29:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

03:29:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM GOING TO TRY TO KEEP UP HERE

TILL 6.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC

COMMITTEE TO ATTEND OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AUGUST

26th, 2021, AT WHICH TIME THEY WILL BE INVITING CITY

COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ATTEND THE 33rd ANNUAL HISPANIC

HERITAGE AWARD ON SEPTEMBER 28, THE YEAR 2021.

03:29:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVED BY MIRANDA, SECOND BY DINGFELDER.

ALL IN FAVOR?

MOTION CARRIED.

03:29:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALL OF US KNOW THE CITY OF TAMPA IS A

MEMBER OF THE TAMPA BAY WATER, ONE OF NINE, TAMPA BAY

WATER IS IN THE PROCESS OF INVESTIGATING OR INCORPORATING

POSSIBLY RECLAIMED WATER INTO THE PROCESS OF LONG-TERM

WATER USE.

CITY OF TAMPA RECLAIMED WATER HAS A LOT OF RECLAIMED




WATER, AND THE POTENTIAL OF PROJECTS WHICH COULD GREATLY

INVOLVE THE REGION.

AND I AM ASKING TAMPA BAY WATER AND THE CITY, WE SHOULD

MEET BEFORE WE DO ANY FURTHER PROJECTS, PLANNING OF THIS

SUBJECT MATTER, AND I AM ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE A

MOTION SENT TO TAMPA BAY WATER AND TO THE MAYOR TO

ENCOURAGE TAMPA BAY WATER TO MEET WITH THE CITY STAFF,

AND NOW TO IDENTIFY THE OPERATIONS AND CLARITY ON ANY OF

THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA MAY HAVE FOR

RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS OF THE CITY, THAT WAY EVERYBODY

HAS CLEAR TRANSPARENCY OF WITH WHAT ONE SIDE IS DOING,

WHAT THE OTHER SIDE WANTS.

03:30:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

03:30:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:30:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, I WILL BE A LITTLE CANDID.

WITH WHAT I WANT TO SAY.

LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A HEATED DISCUSSION ABOUT THE

CRB.

AND WE WERE HEATED.

THE ADMINISTRATION WAS HEATED AS WELL.

BUT SOME THINGS WERE SAID IN THE PUBLIC EYE THAT THAN ME

AS CHAIR DID NOT AGREE WITH BUT I DID NOT COME OUT AND

SAY ANYTHING PUBLICLY BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN IT'S




HEATED WE SAY THINGS WE DON'T MEAN OR THINGS THAT

SHOULDN'T BE SAID.

THAT BEING SAID, I FELT THIS COUNCIL, A LOT OF FOLKS WERE

UPSET ABOUT THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE CHIEF AND THE MAYOR.

THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS MADE I THOUGHT WERE KIND OF

UNFAIR TO THIS COUNCIL.

BUT AGAIN, WHEN THINGS ARE HEATED, WHEN EMOTIONS ARE HIGH

THINGS ARE SAID.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THE MAYOR WAS TO SAY SOME

OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SAID TO THE COUNCIL.

THIS COUNCIL DOES WORK HARD FOR THE PUBLIC.

WE HEAR COMPLAINTS OF THE PEOPLE.

UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL.

I'M SURE SHE DOES HEAR THEM BUT NOT TO THE MAGNITUDE THAT

WE HEAR THEM.

SO AGAIN I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR MY

COLLEAGUES IF WE FELT WE WERE IN ANY WAY OUT OF LINE.

BUT I THINK A LOT OF THINGS WERE SAID, AND WHAT I CALL

THE BALL WAS DROPPED.

AND I AM NOT GOING TO SAY THE BALL WAS DROPPED ON OUR END

BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY GET WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION SENDS TO

US.

WE ONLY CAN RESPOND TO WHAT WE HAVE.

AND THAT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS LAST WEEK WE GOT THE BALL

DROPPED ON US IN THE 9th HOUR RELATIVE TO THINGS THE




ADMINISTRATION WAS LOOKING FOR.

BUT YOU KNOW THERE WAS A VOTE OF 6-1 BACK IN FEBRUARY.

IT WAS 7-4.

AT THAT TIME WE DID NOT GET ANY NOTICE THAT THE MAYOR WAS

NOT GOING TO UPHOLD WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD PLAN.

WE HAD A GOOD ORDINANCE.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT LAST WEEK, MONDAY, PHONE CALLS

TO COUNCIL MEMBERS IN REFERENCE TO THAT SITUATION.

AS THE LEADER, I FELT, AS I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, AND

REFLECTED OVER THE WEEKEND, THAT MAYBE I SHOULD NOT HAVE

LET THAT WALK-ON COME ON.

MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE WAITED, AND BEEN A SEPARATE MOTION

BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON IT.

THE CITY ATTORNEY ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE.

AND AGAIN, MY GUT FEELING IS THAT WE WANT TO WORK WITH

THE ADMINISTRATION.

WE TRULY DO.

BUT WE ARE IN A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD AGAIN WHERE WE HAVE TO

DEAL WITH THE MUST BE OPINION, DIFFERENT GROUPS,

ADMINISTRATION, UNION.

BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.

I FELT LAST WEEK WE WERE IN A SITUATION THAT WAS JABBED

AT US AND WE MADE A DECISION.

WE ALSO KICKED SOME THINGS DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE SAID

WERE NOT A PART OF THAT ORDINANCE.




WE MADE THAT CLEAR.

THIS IS NOTE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

WE HAVE TO MAKE A -- AND A DECISION FORCED UPON US TO

MAKE.

YOU KNOW, A PERSON WHO LEADS, WHO RANKS FIRST, A PERSON

WHO HAS COMMANDING AUTHORITY, I'M A LEADER AND MAYOR

CASTOR IS THE LEADER OF ADMINISTRATION.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LEADERSHIP, LEADING A GROUP OF PEOPLE

OR ORGANIZATION, I HAVE ALWAYS SAID WE HAVE TWO HOUSES,

WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSE AND WE HAVE GOT A

LEGISLATIVE HOUSE.

AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T AGREE ALL THE TIME, BUT WE CAN

AGREE TO DISAGREE.

WE CAN COME BACK AND MAKE COMPROMISES FOR THE CITIZENS OF

THIS CITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE 17th.

THE MAYOR HAS MADE SOME STATEMENTS ON HOW SHE'S GOING TO

PROCEED RIGHT NOW.

I NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR.

I THINK THAT'S NEEDED TO CLEAR THE AIR.

I WISH JOHN BENNETT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS.

I THINK A LOT OF US BELIEVE IN HIS LEADERSHIP AND I

ALWAYS BELIEVE HE'S BEEN LOYAL AND UPFRONT.

AND FOR SOME REASON HE WAS LEFT OUT OF THIS EQUATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OR WHY.




I WANT TO ASK THAT THIS BODY ALLOW ME TO MEET WITH THE

MAYOR AND JOHN BENNETT, MR. SHELBY AND MS. GRIMES, AND WE

TRY TO HASH THIS THING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY'S SAKE.

I GUESS THE BEST SOLUTION, I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK ON

THE 17th WITH NO SOLUTION, AND WE HAVE A VOTE LIKE

BEFORE AND WE GO TO SOME LEGAL CHALLENGES.

THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY.

WE HAVE HOUSING ISSUES GOING ON, FIRE, FIRE HOUSES THAT

NEED TO BE BOUGHT, AND FOR THIS COUNCIL TO SPEND DOLLARS

ON A LEGAL CHALLENGE BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION ATTORNEY,

AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE ADMINISTRATION IS FIGHTING AND

THE CITY ATTORNEY WORKS FOR BOTH OF US.

SO HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

IT WILL COST US MONEY.

AND IT DOES US NO GOOD TO SEE US FIGHT AND NOT GET ALONG.

I DON'T LIKE A DIVIDED HOUSE.

BUT THERE ARE TWO HOUSES.

BUT WE HAVE TO GET ALONG.

SO I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE IN THIS MATTER.

I PASS THE GAVEL TO MR. DINGFELDER.

THAT I BE ALLOWED TO TALK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK

AT SOME IDEAS AND WAYS THAT WE CAN COMPROMISE TO BETTER

THIS RELATIONSHIP AND TO BETTER THE SITUATION WITH THE

CRB AS WE GO FORWARD.

MR. MANISCALCO, I SAW YOUR HAND.




03:36:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FIRST I WANT TO SAY I COMMEND YOU

FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

I SUPPORT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN EXTENDING THE OLIVE BRANCH.

TWO QUOTES COME TO MIND.

ONE IS HEMINGWAY, WITH COURAGE IS THE GRACE UNDER

PRESSURE.

AND I THINK YOU KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT.

ANOTHER IS BY BUKOWSKI, WHICH SAYS WHAT MATTERS MOST IS

HOW WELL YOU WALK THROUGH THE FIRE.

I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE IN A POSITION NOW AS CHAIR, AND I

BELIEVE IN YOUR LEADERSHIP, AND I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW

TO COMMUNICATE AND I HOPE IT GOES WELL.

AND I THINK TALKING CAN RESOLVE A LOT OF THINGS AND YOU

ARE TAKING THAT STEP SO I AM COMMEND YOU ON THAT, SIR.

03:37:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

03:37:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
I APPRECIATE AS WELL YOUR LEADERSHIP.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIG MISSING THINGS IN POLITICS

TODAY BY AND LARGE IS THE ART OF BRIDGE BUILDING, THE ART

OF BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE RELATIVELY CLOSE IN TERMS OF

THEIR POSITIONS.

I THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING YOURSELF TO DO THAT, BECAUSE

A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S A VERY THANKLESS JOB ESPECIALLY IN

TODAY'S POLITICAL ARENA THAT I THINK WE ALL NO ALL TOO




WELL.

BRIDGE BUILDING IS VERY IMPORTANT I.WAS NOT HAPPY WITH

THE WAY THINGS ENDED AT COUNCIL IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT

WE WERE SO CLOSE AND YET SO FAR AWAY WITH LEGAL ISSUES

THAT I CAN TALK ABOUT JUST A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THIS IS THE A VERY IMPORTANT AND SENSITIVE ISSUE.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.

AND WE ALSO AGREE THAT IMPORTANT AND SENSITIVE ISSUES

SHOULD BE DONE RIGHT AND PROPER WAY.

AND I THINK YOU ARE LEADING IN THAT REGARD.

I THINK THAT FOLLOWING YOUR DISCUSSIONS, CHAIRMAN GUDES,

BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN YOUR LEADERSHIP.

I BELIEVE IN YOUR SINCERITY ON THIS ISSUE AND SO MANY

OTHERS.

WE ARE GOING TO GET A 7-0 VOTE, I BELIEVE, AND WE ARE

GOING TO GET SUPPORT FROM THE EXECUTIVE, AND WE MAY GET

SOMETHING WHERE COMPROMISES ARE MADE, BUT THE TRUTH IS,

AS OUR FRIEND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID, WE AGREE ON 99%

OF STUFF.

THAT 1% IS THE POISON PILL.

AND I DON'T WANT TO DETAIL IT A POISON PILL.

AN ISSUE IN DISPUTE.

THAT'S WHAT'S SO TROUBLING ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.

I DON'T THINK -- THE MAIN ISSUE IS COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS.

THE PRINCIPLE OF CITY COUNCIL IN MY OPINION HAVING A




MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS IS NOT IN DISPUTE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S IN DISPUTE, RIGHT?

IT'S HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT, AND HOW WE GO ABOUT IN THE

THAT REGARD.

THERE'S OTHER ISSUES, AND I HAVE MADE MY OPINION KNOWN,

FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING OUTSIDE ATTORNEY SUPPORTING THAT, BUT

I THINK THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE BASIC ISSUE BUT ON THIS

IMPORTANT AND SENSITIVE ISSUE, I SUPPORT YOUR LEAD IN

TRYING TO BUILD THIS IN A FURTHER COLLABORATIVE WAY,

PARTICULARLY WITH MISCOMMUNICATIONS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WATCH THIS REALLY IS ABOUT, IS

MISCOMMUNICATION.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.

YOU KNOW, THIS DEALS WITH ISSUES THAT I FEEL VERY, VERY

PASSIONATELY ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S ISSUES INVOLVING FIRST

RESPONDERS, RIGHT?

OR WHETHER IT'S ISSUES INVOLVING CIVIL RIGHTS AND HUMAN

RIGHTS AND GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND I THINK THAT IN THE END WE CAN GET AN ORDINANCE THAT

CAN PASS 7 TO 0.

IN FACT, I DON'T THINK, I KNOW -- I KNOW -- I KNOW.

I KNOW ON MY END I WILL FIGHT FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK I

WILL TAKE THAT AS A FAILURE ON MY END QUITE FRANKLY.

THIS IS A GOOD ORDINANCE.

I HAVE BEEN PROUD TO CONTRIBUTE A LOT OF THINGS TO IT




INCLUDING IDEAS LIKE HAVING THE CRB REPORT TO CITY

COUNCIL, HAVING COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CRB

INCLUDING ATTENDANCE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND I THINK YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THAT REGARD IS REALLY,

REALLY GOOD.

SO I JUST WANT TO ABSOLUTE YOU FOR THAT, MR. CHAIR.

03:40:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, THEN I WILL GO WITH MR.

MIRANDA.

03:40:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

AND CONGRATS ON THE WAY YOU SAID THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS UP.

I WON'T GET SOMEWHAT TOO INTO THE WEEDS.

YOU FOUND OUT MONDAY LAST WEEK.

I FOUND OUT THURSDAY.

THURSDAY WAS THE FIRST I KNEW THAT THE MAYOR -- I WAS

TOLD ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT THAT -- HAD A BRIEFING ON

WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT THE MAYOR WAS

NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.

AND I ALSO WAS NOT AWARE UNTIL THURSDAY ABOUT THE CHARTER

CHALLENGES.

SO IF ALL OF YOU WERE BRIEFED, I GUESS I WAS THE ONLY ONE

NOT.

BUT I FELT BLIND-SIDED AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH

CHIEF BENNETT LAST NIGHT WHO I AGREE WITH YOU HAS BEEN A

GREAT BROKER AND GETTING TO KNOW MARLEE, I AM SUPPOSED TO




MEET WITH HER TOMORROW, AND LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THOSE

CONVERSATIONS.

BUT MY ISSUE ABOUT LAST WEEK WAS BEING BLIND-SIDED, AND

ALSO BEING THREATENED WITH CHARTER CHALLENGES.

I THOUGHT THAT MONTHS AGO WE HAD ASKED THE ATTORNEYS, OUR

ATTORNEYS AND THE CITY TO WORK TOGETHER ON IT, AND I

THINK THAT THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT BY THE LAWYERS.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PLAYED OUT IN THE PUBLIC.

AND I THINK WE SAW THIS MORNING WE HAD A CONVERSATION

ABOUT TOILET TO TAP WHICH I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST AND

OTHER TIMES WHEN I FELT THE PRESENTATION WAS BIASED, I

GOT EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT.

DAY WAS PERFECTLY FINE BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT WAS AN

OBJECTIVE PRESENTATION.

AND THE REASON I GET EMOTIONAL IS BECAUSE I THINK THE

PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT, AND DESERVES TO HAVE, THE TRUTH

LAID OUT, AND IF WE KNOW THE TRUTH AND WE HAVE

TRANSPARENCY IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, THEN WE CAN BE HONEST

AND TRUTHFUL AND TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC.

I THINK THERE WERE SOME RED HERRINGS THAT WERE THROWN OUT

IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE LATER IN THE DAY AND WITHOUT

GETTING INTO DETAILS OF IT, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF

ROOM THERE TO FIND SOME KIND OF GREAT SOLUTION, AND I

LOOK FORWARD TO THAT MEETING.

I TOLD EVERYBODY, I THOUGHT I WAS WALKING ON THURSDAY




MORNING LAST WEEK TO APPROVE IT AND WALK AWAY.

I HAD NO IDEA WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A BIG CONVERSATION

LIKE THAT.

SO I PRAY FOR YOU AND THE CITY STAFF THAT WE CAN

ACCOMPLISH THAT, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY -- IT SOUND LIKE

ESPECIALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE RESOLUTION ON

IN.

THANK YOU.

03:42:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL HAVE CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR

IN REFERENCE TO HOW WE GET THESE THINGS IN THE 9th

HOUR.

I KNOW THINGS HAPPEN, THE CITY HAS TO DO SOME THINGS, BUT

WE FIND OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE THROWN OUT AT THE

LAST MINUTE AND WE REALLY SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.

SO I WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH THE MAYOR, AND I THINK ALL

COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE FEELING THAT, AND AGAIN I DON'T

KNOW -- I KNOW THAT MR. BENNETT WAS A GUY WHO IS WAY

AHEAD OF TIME ON THESE.

03:42:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES, AND SOMETHING HAS CHANGED.

AN AND I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE WAY MR. BENNETT WAS

DOING THINGS.

MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

03:42:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

LEADERSHIP.

AND MY FEELING IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE COUNCIL'S




PERMISSION TO GO MEET WITH THE MAYOR AND IRON THINGS OUT.

I REALLY DON'T.

I DON'T THINK -- YOU ARE THE CHAIRMAN AND YOU ARE THE ONE

IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE YOU WORK IT OUT WITH

THE ADMINISTRATION, COME BACK.

IF YOU WANT SUPPORT, WE WILL GIVE YOU SUPPORT BUT I DON'T

THINK THAT'S NEEDED.

YOU ARE THE CHAIRPERSON OF THIS COUNCIL.

YOU ARE THE LEADER.

IT'S YOUR TURN AT BAT.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM AND THEY WANT TO MEET WITH YOU,

THAT'S FINE.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING DEROGATORY WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE

SEVEN MEMBERS OR SIX MEMBERS.

03:43:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE CORRECT.

BUT I DO THINGS IN ORDER.

AND I WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW WHAT MY INTENT IS GOING

INTO SPEAK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE I DON'T WANTS

THIS KIND OF CHAOS ON THIS BODY.

03:43:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU ARE RIGHT.

03:43:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS BODY KNOWS

WHAT I PLAN TO DO. MR. SHELBY, LET ME GET TO MR.

DINGFELDER AND THEN I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU.

03:43:53 >>THE CLERK:
IT'S RELATED TO WHAT MR. MIRANDA SAID AND I

THINK IT'S A RELEVANT PART.




I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE MATTERS WHICH SOMETIMES

HAPPENS.

BY YOU BEING DELEGATED SOMETHING TO DO BY CITY COUNCIL,

IT MAY CREATE A SUNSHINE ISSUE.

IT MAY CREATE SOMETHING OF A LEGAL COMPLICATION.

THAT'S THE WAY MR. MIRANDA SUGGESTS.

IF IT'S BY CONSENSUS VOTE OF COUNCIL AND WITHOUT A LEGAL

VOTE AND YOU HAVE -- I CAN CHECK WITH THAT THIS EVENING

AND GET BACK TO YOU.

BUT IN YOU ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE CONSENSUS OF

COUNCIL --

03:44:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE

SO WE HAVE EVERYONE IS SATISFIED AND HAVE FOUR VOTES.

03:44:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE TO TAKE OFF FOR A 4:00 POINT SO

IF YOU WANT TO VOTE, LET'S VOTE.

03:44:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
JUST A COUPLE WORDS.

I AM NOT GOING TO REHASH THE LAST YEAR, BECAUSE THAT'S

WHAT IT IS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SORT OF RIDICULED ABOUT THAT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF LEGISLATION IN WASHINGTON AND

TALLAHASSEE, LEGISLATION, ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT

LEGISLATION OFTEN TAKES SEVERAL YEARS IN TALLAHASSEE AND

WASHINGTON.

SO THIS WAS A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION, THE

FACT THAT IT TOOK A YEAR, SO BE IT.




ONE THING THAT LUIS VIERA SAID LAST WEEK STUCK IN MY

HEAD, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT MR. CHAIRMAN, HAD TO

DO WITH ESCALATION.

AND THIS THING HAS JUST GOTTEN ESCALATED WAY OUT OF

CONTROL, YOU KNOW.

AND NOW WE HAD A MAYOR AT A PRESS CONFERENCE WHO

BASICALLY INSINUATING THAT EVEN IF WE ADOPTED THAT

ORDINANCE, SHE'S GOING TO IGNORE IT?

YOU KNOW, THAT -- WE MIGHT HAVE ESCALATED IT PERHAPS IN

THEIR EYES AND THEY ARE ESCALATING IT EVEN FURTHER.

SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT YOU 100% TO GO

TRY AND DEESCALATE THIS.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO DEESCALATE IT WITH DIALOGUE.

THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.

BUT THE ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT WE ALL FEEL REAL

STRONGLY ABOUT -- AND I'M SORRY MR. CITRO IS NOT HERE

BECAUSE HE FEELS STRONGLY AS WELL, BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD

HIM SAY IT -- IS THE CLAUSE IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS WE

ARE THE EXCLUSIVE LEGISLATIVE BODY.

THE MAYOR CAN SEND US IDEAS, SHE CAN SEND US PROPOSED

LEGISLATION, ALL DAY LONG, AND THEY DO.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONCE THEY THROW THAT LATERAL

BACK TO US, IT'S YOU ARE A BALL TO RUN WITH;

MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND THAT IS A PROMISE THAT WE DO NOT GIVE UP IN ANY




CONTEXT WHATSOEVER.

AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A POLICE ISSUE OR A SEWER ISSUE

OR WHATEVER ISSUE IT IS, OKAY, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH

THE NOTION THAT JUST BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO DO WITH SOME

PARTICULAR BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S

OFF LIMITS AND THAT WE HAVE TO LEGISLATIVE COOPERATIVELY

WITH ANOTHER BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.

THAT IS NOT THE WAY THAT GOVERNMENT WORKS IN THIS

COUNTRY.

AND IT'S NOT THE WAY THAT THAT CHARTER READS.

NOT THE WAY I READ IT.

AND I PRACTICED LAW AS LONG AS ANYBODY UPSTAIRS.

SO I KNOW I SOUND A LITTLE RILED UP, BUT THAT IS A

CRITICAL USUAL YOU THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO STAND

TOGETHER, OKAY, BECAUSE NOT STANDING TOGETHER FOR US,

IT'S NOT STANDING TOGETHER FOR POWER TRIP OR ANYTHING

LIKE THAT.

IT'S STANDING TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT'S THE SEPARATION OF

POWER.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT OF GOVERNMENT.

THEY EXPECT THAT THIS LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITY HAPPENS, AND

OVER THERE IS WHERE THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART HAPPENS, AND

THEY CARRY OUT OUR LEGISLATION.

SO, ANYWAY, I AM THRILLED YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS,

MR. CHAIRMAN.




I WILL GO WITH IT EITHER WAY, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO

VOTE OR YOU DON'T WANT A VOTE.

YOU HAVE MY VOTE EITHER WAY AND I WILL CARRY THE MOTION.

IF YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. CHAIRMAN?

03:47:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I ASK THIS COUNCIL'S PERMISSION TO GO

TALK WITH THE MAYOR, ABOUT CONCERNS, ISSUES SURROUNDING

THE CHARTER ISSUE, AND THE CRB, AND TALK ABOUT THOSE

THINGS AND HOPEFULLY COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH

INFORMATION AND A RESOLUTION TO MOVE FORWARD.

03:48:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU WILL COME BACK AT A TIME WHEN YOU

DEEM APPROPRIATE?

03:48:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CORRECT.

03:48:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM OUR CHAIRMAN,

AS CHAIR PRO TEM.

SECOND IS WHERE?

MR. MANISCALCO.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION?

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED?

03:48:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GIVE ME A ROLL CALL.

03:48:35 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

03:48:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

03:48:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

03:48:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

03:48:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.




03:48:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

03:48:47 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH

COUNCILMEMBER CITRO BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.

03:48:51 >> MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

03:48:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.

03:48:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

03:49:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
6:00, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:49:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
6:00, YES.

[SOUNDING GAVEL]





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