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CITY OF TAMPA
THURSDAY, JUNE 3, 2021
9:00 A.M.



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>>ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCIL MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER, 9:00.

08:59:41 MR. CITRO, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION THIS MORNING,

08:59:45 SIR.

08:59:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

08:59:47 THIS MORNING'S INVOCATION BY PASTOR GABRIEL MORGAN.

08:59:52 THE PASTOR IS THE PARISH PASTOR OF ST. PAUL LUTHERAN CHURCH

08:59:56 ON CENTRAL AVENUE, AND FAITH LUTHERAN ON NORTH FLORIDA

09:00:00 AVENUE.

09:00:01 HE IS A GRADUATE OF UNION THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN NEW YORK

09:00:08 CITY.

09:00:09 HE RECEIVED HIS MASTERS OF DIVINITY DEGREE THERE AND HOLDS A

09:00:14 DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY DEGREE FROM THE LUTHERAN THEOLOGICAL

09:00:18 SEMINARY OF PHILADELPHIA.

09:00:20 ORIGINALLY FROM TAMPA, GABRIEL WAS ALSO AN ALUM OF THE

09:00:25 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA -- GO BULLS!

09:00:28 -- WITH A BACHELOR OF PHILOSOPHY.

09:00:31 HE AND HIS WIFE ERIN LIVE IN SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.





09:00:36 PASTOR, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND

09:00:38 EVERYBODY COULD PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE

09:00:41 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

09:00:48 >> BLESSED ARE YOU LOVING CREATOR AND GOVERNOR OF THE

09:00:51 UNIVERSE.

09:00:53 YOU'VE WRITTEN YOUR LAW OF LOVE ON EVERY HUMAN HEART, AND

09:00:56 YOU CALL OUT TO ALL PEOPLE THROUGH THE VOICE OF WISDOM IN

09:01:01 MANY RELIGIONS AND PHILOSOPHIES.

09:01:02 GRANT THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY.

09:01:06 THAT THEIR DELIBERATIONS MAY REFLECT YOUR DESIRE FOR THE

09:01:08 PEACE AND WELL-BEING OF ALL.

09:01:10 GRANT THEM A SPIRIT OF LOVE, THAT THEY MIGHT NOT INSIST ON

09:01:13 THEIR OWN WAY BUT INSTEAD HAVE CLARITY ABOUT THE NEEDS OF

09:01:15 THOSE THEY ARE ELECTED TO SERVE.

09:01:18 FINALLY, GRANT EACH OF US YOUR SPIRIT OF HUMILITY SO THAT WE

09:01:21 GROW TO VIEW THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY NOT IN TEMPLES WHAT

09:01:25 WE HAVE ACHIEVED -- TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED BUT IN

09:01:28 TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE SUFFERED.

09:01:30 I ASK THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, THE ONE WHO SUFFERED

09:01:33 FOR OTHERS.

09:01:34 AMEN.

09:01:35 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

09:01:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PASTOR MORGAN, I THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

09:01:48 YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY.

09:01:49 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.





09:01:50 >> THANK YOU.

09:01:51 GOD BLESS.

09:01:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

09:01:53 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

09:01:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

09:01:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

09:01:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

09:01:59 >> VIERA?

09:01:59 MIRANDA?

09:02:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

09:02:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

09:02:03 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

09:02:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.

09:02:06 LET'S GO THROUGH THE AGENDA PLEASE, SIR.

09:02:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I BEGIN WITH A FEW COMMENTS, MR.

09:02:11 CHAIRMAN?

09:02:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR, YOU MAY.

09:02:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TODAY'S MEETING IS HELD DURING THE COVID-19

09:02:17 STATE OF EMERGENCY, AND IT'S BEING CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE

09:02:20 IN-PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL

09:02:22 CHAMBERS.

09:02:23 HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS, MEMBERS

09:02:27 OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY

09:02:29 THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA

09:02:32 STATUTES AND RULES AS COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY, OR





09:02:35 CMT.

09:02:36 THESE MEETINGS ARE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY

09:02:39 RULES OF PROCEDURE AS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION

09:02:41 NUMBER 2020-229 AS AMENDED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020-490 AND

09:02:48 RESOLUTION 2021-241.

09:02:51 THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO

09:02:54 WATCH, LISTEN, AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL

09:02:56 640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15, AND ON THE INTERNET AT

09:03:01 TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.

09:03:04 THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE THROUGH

09:03:07 MULTIPLE MEANS IN THIS MEETING, WRITTEN COMMENTS, BY THE

09:03:11 INTERNET OR WEB, WRITTEN COMMENTS BY E-MAIL.

09:03:14 WRITTEN COMMENTS BY U.S. MAIL.

09:03:17 ALSO, TO SPEAK REMOTELY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WITH THE USE

09:03:20 OF CMT, AND THAT REQUIRES PREREGISTERING, AND THAT IS

09:03:25 AVAILABLE AT TAMPA.GOV/PUBLICCOMMENT.

09:03:29 AND THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEB PAGE,

09:03:32 THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL, ONE

09:03:36 WORD.

09:03:37 NOW, FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE

09:03:41 REMOTELY, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC

09:03:45 DURING THIS MEETING COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY ON THE

09:03:49 SECOND FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL AT 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

09:03:53 AND PLEASE NOTE THAT THE USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING

09:03:57 INSIDE THE BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED.





09:03:59 NOW, THERE ARE LAND USE HEARINGS TODAY, AND THOSE REQUIRE,

09:04:03 IF YOU WISH TO APPEAR REMOTELY, WILL REQUIRE PREREGISTRATION

09:04:09 PRIOR TO TODAY.

09:04:10 NOW, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO A PUBLIC HEARING WILL

09:04:14 BE HEARD WHEN IT APPEARS ON THE AGENDA.

09:04:17 ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS MUST BE RECEIVED NO LATER THAN 24 HOURS

09:04:21 PRIOR TO THE HEARING TO BE DISTRIBUTED TIMELY TO CITY

09:04:23 COUNCIL AND MADE PART OF THE PERMANENT RECORD OF

09:04:25 QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS.

09:04:26 NOW, PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED TIMELY BY MAIL, E-MAIL, WEB,

09:04:29 OR VIA CMT WILL BE AFFORDED EQUAL CONSIDERATION AS IF THE

09:04:33 PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE MADE IN PERSON.

09:04:35 FINALLY, FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE PARTICIPATING

09:04:40 ON THE VIRTUAL PLATFORM, GO TO MEETING, PLEASE BE REMINDED

09:04:44 THAT THE CHAT BOX IS NOT TO BE USED FOR COMMUNICATIONS WITH

09:04:49 MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

09:04:51 ITS ONLY PURPOSE IS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS TECHNICAL ISSUES.

09:04:54 SO, AGAIN, PLEASE DO NOT COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE CHAT BOX

09:04:59 EXCEPT TO REPORT TECHNICAL CONCERNS.

09:05:01 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:05:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.

09:05:04 MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, FOR NOTATION, MR. VIERA WILL BE HERE IN

09:05:08 ABOUT 20 MINUTES.

09:05:09 FOR THE RECORD, HE WILL BE HERE.

09:05:10 LET'S GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE





09:05:12 ADDENDUM, PLEASE?

09:05:14 WALK-ON ITEM BY COUNCILMAN CITRO, ACCOMMODATION.

09:05:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA

09:05:29 PER DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR.

09:05:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

09:05:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO, I BELIEVE THERE IS A REQUEST FROM

09:05:37 COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO REMOVE ITEM -- EXCUSE ME, TO

09:05:43 PULL ITEM 30 FOR DISCUSSION UNDER STAFF REPORTS.

09:05:49 IS THAT CORRECT?

09:05:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [INAUDIBLE]

09:05:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 28 IS A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN

09:05:58 FILED WITH THE CLERK.

09:06:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:06:02 GENTLEMEN, JUST A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

09:06:05 IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION IN REFERENCE TO SOME COUNCIL

09:06:09 MEMBERS GRUMBLING A LITTLE BIT AND ALSO THE CLERK'S OFFICE,

09:06:14 MR. SHELBY, IN REFERENCE TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AS IT

09:06:17 RELATES TO INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL'S BUSINESS FOR CITY

09:06:21 COUNCIL MEETING.

09:06:22 I HAVE ASKED MR. SHELBY TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE RULE IS ON

09:06:26 THAT SO IF YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THAT NOW, MR. SHELBY,

09:06:29 PLEASE.

09:06:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:06:31 THANK YOU.

09:06:32 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.





09:06:34 CHAIRMAN GUDES IS MAKING REFERENCE TO RULE 7A UNDER YOUR

09:06:39 GENERAL POLICIES OF RULES OF PROCEDURE, AND IT STATES AS

09:06:43 FOLLOWS: ALL PETITIONS, COMMUNICATIONS, STAFF REPORTS,

09:06:46 RESOLUTIONS, ORDINANCES AND OTHER MATTERS INTENDED FOR THE

09:06:51 CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE FILED WITH THE

09:06:54 OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK ON OR BEFORE 2 P.M. ON THE THURSDAY

09:06:58 PRIOR TO THE MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

09:07:01 THE CITY CLERK IN TURN SHALL ASSIGN SUCH PETITIONS,

09:07:04 COMMUNICATIONS, RESOLUTIONS, ORDINANCES, AND OTHER MATTERS

09:07:06 TO THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT WITHIN THE AGENDA TAKING

09:07:10 INTO CONSIDERATION THE REQUEST MADE AT THE TIME OF PLACEMENT

09:07:12 ON THE AGENDA.

09:07:14 ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS RELATED TO FEES ARE TO BE PLACED

09:07:18 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.

09:07:19 THAT IS THE RULE, SIR.

09:07:20 7A.

09:07:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:07:24 AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

09:07:29 I'LL HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL.

09:07:31 MR. DINGFELDER.

09:07:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.

09:07:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL, REQUEST THE

09:07:38 ADMINISTRATION TO HEAR THE RULE 7A MOVING FORWARD,

09:07:41 INCLUDING PowerPoint PRESENTATIONS THAT SUPPORT CITY

09:07:43 COUNCIL IN HAVING TIMELY INFORMATION PRIOR TO ITS MEETINGS





09:07:46 FOR DISCUSSION, DELIBERATIONS AND DECISIONS.

09:07:49 IF I CAN GET A SECOND.

09:07:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION AND A SECOND.

09:07:53 ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

09:07:57 >>BILL CARLSON: I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.

09:08:00 I HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE ALTHOUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS

09:08:03 ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, I HAVE TO

09:08:05 READ IT ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

09:08:07 SOMETIMES I HAVE TO READ IT TWICE.

09:08:08 LIKE NUMBER 28 WAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY YESTERDAY.

09:08:11 I THINK AT LIKE 4:00.

09:08:14 IF ANY OF US HAD EVENTS ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, IT WOULD BE

09:08:17 DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT IT.

09:08:18 BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY FOR THE

09:08:20 PUBLIC.

09:08:21 LAST WEEK, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION ON TOILET TO TAP, AND IT

09:08:24 WASN'T HERE UNTIL WAY LATE, AND THERE WASN'T EVEN AN AGENDA

09:08:28 ITEM FOR IT.

09:08:28 SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO

09:08:31 INFORMATION.

09:08:31 THANK YOU.

09:08:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY UNDERSTANDING, YEARS AGO, MR. MIRANDA

09:08:35 WAS CHAIR, AND MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. MIRANDA WAS A STICKLER

09:08:37 ON GETTING THOSE ITEMS IN A TIMELY FASHION, I'VE HEARD.

09:08:41 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADHERING TO THE POLICY.





09:08:45 WE KNOW SOMETIMES THERE WILL BE SITUATIONS AND WE CAN LOOK

09:08:48 AT THOSE SITUATIONS AS THEY ARISE.

09:08:50 WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS BEING ABLE TO

09:08:52 DO THEIR JOB AS WELL.

09:08:54 GET A LITTLE FRUSTRATED OVER THERE.

09:08:56 SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THIS

09:09:00 HOUSE.

09:09:00 I THINK, MR. DINGFELDER, YOU DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR

09:09:02 BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON.

09:09:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

09:09:06 NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

09:09:07 ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.

09:09:08 ANY OPPOSED?

09:09:09 MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

09:09:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: COULD YOU DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT,

09:09:14 PLEASE, SIR?

09:09:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

09:09:16 MADAM CLERK.

09:09:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

09:09:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

09:09:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

09:09:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

09:09:24 >> VIERA?

09:09:25 MIRANDA?

09:09:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.





09:09:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

09:09:27 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING

09:09:30 ABSENT.

09:09:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.

09:09:33 WE HAVE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME.

09:09:36 I ALREADY SEE THE YOUNG LADY FROM THE ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES

09:09:39 ARE ALREADY INSIDE THE ROOM.

09:09:42 IF YOU DON'T MIND, GENTLEMEN, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2 AND

09:09:45 THEN COME BACK TO 1 AND THEN 3 FOR CITRO.

09:09:48 MR. MIRANDA.

09:09:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SAVING TIME I'M GOING TO FOLLOW COUNCILMAN

09:10:01 MIRANDA DOWN THERE.

09:10:02 WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.

09:10:03 I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

09:10:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN THOSE ACADEMY GIRLS HEAR US IN THERE.

09:10:09 LET'S SEE SOME ENTHUSIASM, GIRLS!

09:10:14 [ CHEERING ]

09:10:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SAW YOU GUYS OUTSIDE AND IT LOOKED LIKE

09:10:20 YOU WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME.

09:10:21 [ LAUGHTER ]

09:10:24 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I NEED TO GO DOWN IN A MINUTE.

09:10:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'LL WAIT UNTIL MR. MIRANDA COMES UP AND

09:10:30 YOU CAN GO DOWN SO WE KEEP A QUORUM.

09:10:32 JUST HOLD ON, COACH.

09:10:34 WE'RE WAITING FOR MR. MIRANDA TO GET DOWN THERE TO DO WHAT





09:10:38 HE DOES BEST.

09:10:39 I SEE HIM IN THE MIDDLE THERE.

09:10:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GOOD MORNING.

09:10:57 IT'S MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO BE HERE WITH THE CHAMPIONS

09:11:01 OF THE 2021 SOFTBALL SEASON 3-A CHAMPIONSHIP FROM THE

09:11:06 ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES.

09:11:07 THEIR SCHOOL IS ONE OF GREAT LEGEND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IN

09:11:12 ACADEMIA, AND STARTED IN 1881 UNDER MAYOR NAMED GEORGE

09:11:17 BOSCOM SPARKMAN WHO WAS THE MAYOR AND HE CUT THE RIBBON.

09:11:21 AND I WAS THERE HOLDING THE RIBBON.

09:11:22 MR. VARGAS, I'VE KNOWN YOU SINCE YOU WERE A LITTLE YOUNG

09:11:26 BOY.

09:11:26 AND YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR FATHER WERE TEAMMATES OF MINE IN

09:11:30 HIGH SCHOOL AND YOUR FATHER HAD THE DISTINCTION OF CATCHING

09:11:33 MY FIRST PITCH IN CUBA THAT THEY HIT FOR A HOME RUN.

09:11:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW YOU WERE THE LEGEND.

09:11:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: COOL, YOU HAVE TO ADMIT.

09:11:41 LET ME SAY THIS, I KNOW THAT YOUR SCHOOL PRINCIPAL IS NOT

09:11:45 HERE TODAY.

09:11:46 STEPHANIE, AND I TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR. SPARKMAN AND MR.

09:11:51 VARGAS, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANT TO PLAY THE VIDEO

09:11:54 FIRST SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE HERE

09:11:59 AND HOW THEY GOT HERE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY INCREDIBLE.

09:12:02 AND WHAT THESE YOUNG LADIES HAVE DONE CANNOT BE DUPLICATED.

09:12:06 ONLY BY THEM.





09:12:07 CAN YOU PLEASE PLAY THE VIDEO?

09:12:11 >> WE CAME INTO THE INNING DOWN --

09:12:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET'S REPLAY THAT AGAIN SO MR. VARGAS CAN

09:12:28 NARRATE WHAT HAPPENED.

09:12:30 >> WE CAME DOWN IN THAT INNING, DOWN A RUN, AND IT WAS A

09:12:34 TIGHT GAME THROUGHOUT.

09:12:36 WE WERE GOING UP AGAINST A WINDEMERE PREP TEAM THAT HAD BEEN

09:12:39 25 AND 1 BUT DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO PLAY A TEAM LIKE US

09:12:43 YET.

09:12:43 COMING INTO THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE 7th INNING AFTER DOWN

09:12:46 3-2, THE CONFIDENCE THE COACHING STAFF AND THE GIRLS HAD AND

09:12:49 BEING ABLE TO COME OUT, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE IT WAS GOING TO

09:12:52 HAPPEN.

09:12:53 IT WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT.

09:12:54 SO THE CONFIDENCE OF THE KIDS AND THE COACHING STAFF REALLY

09:12:57 PAID OFF, AND, OBVIOUSLY, THE EXECUTION OF THAT REALLY WAS

09:13:02 THE KEY.

09:13:03 BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CELEBRATION LIKE THAT IN ACADEMY SINCE

09:13:06 1996.

09:13:08 AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE END RESULT HERE, IT WAS INCREDIBLY

09:13:11 SPECIAL MOMENT AND ONE THAT WE'LL NEVER FORGET AS ATHLETIC

09:13:15 DEPARTMENT, AS A COACHING STAFF OR, OBVIOUSLY, AS A GROUP OF

09:13:18 YOUNG LADIES WHO WILL BE ENTRENCHED IN HISTORY TOGETHER FOR

09:13:22 THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

09:13:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU CAN SEE WHY AND HOW, NOT ABOUT THE





09:13:41 INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERISTICS OR THE ABILITY OF EACH PLAYER, IT

09:13:44 IS THE ABILITY AND CHARACTERISTIC TO MAKE A TEAM TO WIN THE

09:13:47 GAME.

09:13:48 AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BY EVIDENCE HERE HOW THERE WAS A LITTLE

09:13:51 MISTAKE MADE ON THE FIELD BY THE OPPOSITION AND THAT RUNNER

09:13:54 NOTICED THAT AND KEPT HEADING FOR HOME AND BEAT THE THROW.

09:13:57 THAT'S WHAT WINNING AND LOSING IS ALL ABOUT.

09:13:59 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WINNER AND A LOSER?

09:14:04 A LOSER FALLS AND NEVER GETS UP.

09:14:06 A WINNER FALLS AND GETS UP.

09:14:10 AND IF HE OR SHE FALLS AGAIN, THEY GET UP AGAIN AND KEEP

09:14:14 TRYING.

09:14:14 AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WHEN YOU ARE A WINNER, YOU HAVE

09:14:17 FALLEN BEFORE, AND YOU GET UP AND GO OUT AND DO WHAT YOU

09:14:20 HAVE TO DO.

09:14:21 THAT'S WHAT THESE YOUNG LADIES ACCOMPLISHED.

09:14:25 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:14:26 NOW FOR THE CERTIFICATES THAT WE HAVE HERE.

09:14:33 THE FIRST ONE TO KEVIN VARGAS, THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR.

09:14:37 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:14:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH PINS JUST FOR THE

09:14:43 TEAM.

09:14:44 THOSE PINS ARE ABOUT 40 YEARS OLD.

09:14:46 WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY IN A LONG TIME.

09:14:48 I DON'T KNOW HOW MARY FOUND THEM, BUT SHE FOUND THEM.





09:14:51 THE HEAD COACH, JEFF CROOM.

09:14:58 DO YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS?

09:14:59 I KNOW THE MIKE GETS YOU SCARED.

09:15:05 WE MUST BE RELATED.

09:15:07 [ LAUGHTER ]

09:15:07 ASSISTANT COACH MICHAEL VALDEZ.

09:15:20 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:15:20 ELISE COURTNEY.

09:15:24 SAMANTHA MILLER.

09:15:29 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:15:29 SAMANTHA, CAN YOU COME UP FOR A SECOND?

09:15:34 SAMANTHA IS A UNIQUE PLAYER THAT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.

09:15:40 SHE GOT A SCHOLARSHIP AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

09:15:43 I CAN'T EVEN SPELL THE WORD "GEORGETOWN."

09:15:46 SAMANTHA NOT ONLY GOT A SCHOLARSHIP, SHE WAS A STAR ATHLETE

09:15:49 A YEAR BEFORE SHE GRADUATED AS A SENIOR.

09:15:52 AS I RECALL FROM WHAT I'VE READ -- NOT THAT I RECALL IT, I

09:15:56 READ IT.

09:15:57 YOU WERE DOING VIDEO GRAPHING AND UNDERSTANDING UNIVERSITY

09:16:01 OF GEORGETOWN.

09:16:03 YOU WERE TAKING YOUR FIRST CLASS AT HOME.

09:16:05 HOWEVER, YOU FELT YOU HAD TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO THE

09:16:08 TEAM, SO YOU WENT BACK AND BECAME AN ASSISTANT COACH WHILE

09:16:11 GOING TO COLLEGE AT THE SAME TIME A THOUSAND MILES AWAY FROM

09:16:15 YOUR SCHOOL.





09:16:16 AND YOU DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU GOT PAID FOR IT.

09:16:18 YOU'RE DOING IT BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO GIVE BACK FROM WHAT

09:16:22 YOU LEARNED.

09:16:23 THANK GOD.

09:16:24 LOOK AT ALL THESE PLAYERS THAT LEARNED SOMETHING FROM YOU

09:16:26 AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOU TO SIT OUT A YEAR BECAUSE OF

09:16:29 COVID-19 AND COME BACK AND GO COACH EXACTLY WHERE YOU

09:16:32 PLAYED.

09:16:32 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.

09:16:33 >> THANK YOU.

09:16:33 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:16:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND THE TEAM SUPPORTS THAT, FOR DONALD

09:16:40 SHAFER, KRISTA SEVRINI.

09:16:45 THANK YOU.

09:16:47 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:16:47 THIS IS THE FIRST CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 1996.

09:16:53 THERE WERE ONLY THREE OTHER CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE SCHOOL'S

09:16:56 140 YEARS OF BEING THERE.

09:16:58 ONE WAS IN BASKETBALL IN 1996.

09:17:04 AND THE LADY WHO WAS ON THAT STAFF IS NOW WHAT?

09:17:07 WHERE IS SHE AT?

09:17:08 I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

09:17:15 SHE WAS A STAR BASKETBALL PLAYER IN 1996.

09:17:19 CHARISSE.

09:17:20 SHE IS NOW THE HEAD OF WHAT?





09:17:22 >> PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

09:17:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU

09:17:26 WORK.

09:17:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE JOB YOU'RE DOING.

09:17:30 YOU'VE BEEN DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.

09:17:32 I WANT YOU TO PLAY JOHN BENNETT ONE DAY BECAUSE I KNOW YOU

09:17:34 CAN BEAT HIM.

09:17:36 >> ABSOLUTELY.

09:17:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE WANT WITNESSES TO BE THERE, TOO.

09:17:40 THE OTHER WAS IN VOLLEYBALL BACK IN 1970.

09:17:46 THIS IS THE FIRST EVER THAT THE SCHOOL FROM 140 YEARS IN

09:17:50 EXISTENCE HAS WON A CHAMPIONSHIP IN SOFTBALL, LADIES'

09:17:54 SOFTBALL.

09:17:55 IT'S A MARVELOUS THING, NOT BECAUSE YOU WON IT, BUT BECAUSE

09:18:00 YOU PLAYED AS A TEAM AND THE RESULTS ARE THERE.

09:18:02 15 LADIES ON THE TEAM.

09:18:04 SEVEN ARE SENIORS.

09:18:05 IF WE COULD HAVE THE SENIORS COME UP AND WE'LL GIVE THE --

09:18:10 WHEN YOU COME UP, SAY YOUR NAME AND WHAT COLLEGE YOU'RE

09:18:13 GOING TO.

09:18:14 >> I'LL START.

09:18:15 I'M DEVON.

09:18:15 GOING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

09:18:19 >> I'M CHASE.

09:18:20 I'M GOING TO FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY.





09:18:23 >> I'M ZADA.

09:18:25 GOING TO ST. MARY'S NOTRE DAME.

09:18:28 >> I'M AUDREY.

09:18:29 I'M GOING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA.

09:18:32 >> I'M RACHEL.

09:18:33 AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDENCE COLLEGE.

09:18:37 >> I'M BELLHAM GOING TO FLORIDA SOUTHWESTERN.

09:18:40 >> I'M KEIRA, GOING TO VILLANOVA UNIVERSITY.

09:18:47 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:18:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS MAKES A VERY WELL FEELING THAT NOT

09:18:51 ONLY ARE THEY GREAT ATHLETES, THEY ARE ALSO VERY

09:18:54 ECONOMICALLY PREPARED FOR WHAT'S COMING, THE WORLD THEY ARE

09:18:58 GOING TO FACE.

09:18:59 NOW THE REST OF THE TEAM, PLEASE.

09:19:00 THESE ARE NOT THE REST OF THE TEAM.

09:19:02 THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE SENIORS.

09:19:13 >> I'M LUCY.

09:19:15 I'M A JUNIOR.

09:19:17 >> I'M AMBER TORRES.

09:19:18 I'M A SOPHOMORE.

09:19:21 >> I'M KAVIN THIES, AND I'M A SOPHOMORE.

09:19:24 >> MAZY AND I'M A FRESHMAN.

09:19:26 >> I'M GENEVIEVE.

09:19:28 I'M A SOPHOMORE.

09:19:29 >> I'M KAYLA, A FRESHMAN.





09:19:33 >> CAMILLE, A FRESHMAN.

09:19:35 >> I'M CHLOE.

09:19:36 I'M A FRESHMAN.

09:19:42 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:19:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FRESHMAN AND A

09:19:47 SENIOR IS WE'RE IN A ROOM SO SMALL, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE

09:19:50 SOPHOMORES BY THE TIME WE LEAVE.

09:19:52 THEY ARE GOING TO GO BACKWARDS IN LIFE.

09:19:54 THE ROOM IS KIND OF SMALL FOR THESE PEOPLE.

09:19:58 APPRECIATE IT.

09:19:59 THIS TEAM PLAYED 24 GAMES, 7 PLAYOFF GAMES, 14 CONSECUTIVE

09:20:05 WINS AS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

09:20:07 AND IT'S AMAZING THAT THEY HAD A REAL TOUGH SCHEDULE.

09:20:11 EVERYONE CONTRIBUTED ON EACH PLAY, AND AMAZING WORK ETHIC

09:20:15 SUPPORTED ADMINISTRATIVE COACHES AND PARENTS AND THEY HAD A

09:20:17 CHAMPIONSHIP.

09:20:21 HOWEVER, CAN SOMEONE TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WINNER

09:20:24 AND A LOSER IN SOFTBALL?

09:20:27 I JUST GAVE YOU THE ANSWER EARLIER.

09:20:30 >> A WINNER FALLS AND DOESN'T -- OR A LOSER FALLS AND

09:20:34 DOESN'T GET UP.

09:20:35 AND A WINNER WILL GET UP --

09:20:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXACTLY RIGHT.

09:20:39 NOW, ANYONE ELSE?

09:20:42 COACH, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?





09:20:44 ATHLETIC DIRECTOR?

09:20:45 >> I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL.

09:20:47 THAT'S IT.

09:20:48 I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR INVITING US DOWN

09:20:50 HERE TODAY.

09:20:52 OBVIOUSLY, AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED, THIS IS HISTORIC

09:20:55 FEAT FOR OUR SCHOOL AND ONE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF

09:20:58 PRIDE IN.

09:20:59 ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THESE YOUNG

09:21:03 LADIES AND OUR COACHING STAFF DIDN'T ONLY MAKE THE ACADEMY

09:21:06 OF THE HOLY NAMES PROUD, THEY MADE THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA

09:21:09 PROUD.

09:21:10 WE'RE HONORED TO BRING THE CITY OF TAMPA OUR MOST RECENT

09:21:14 CHAMPIONSHIP.

09:21:15 ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HONORING US AND CONGRATULATIONS TO

09:21:17 OUR 2021, 3A STATE CHAMPIONS.

09:21:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT CONCLUDES TODAY'S PRESENTATION.

09:21:26 AGAIN, WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

09:21:28 NOT BECAUSE YOU WON THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, BUT HOW YOU WON

09:21:31 IT AND HOW HARD YOU WORKED FOR IT.

09:21:33 IF YOU DO THAT IN LIFE, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE

09:21:35 SUCCESSFUL.

09:21:35 KEEP TRYING AND YOU'LL GET THERE.

09:21:37 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CITY COUNCIL, FOR ALLOWING US.

09:21:39 I WANT TO THANK THE PARENTS THAT ARE DOWN STAIRS FOR MAKING





09:21:43 WONDERFUL KIDS LIKE THIS ONE HERE.

09:21:45 BROUGHT THEM UP IN A GREAT ATMOSPHERE AND AN AREA THAT YOU

09:21:48 UNDERSTAND ABOUT LIFE.

09:21:49 AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

09:21:51 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PARENTS.

09:21:52 APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

09:22:01 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY

09:22:04 COLLEAGUE AND THANK ALL OF YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU FOR THE

09:22:06 BIG WIN.

09:22:06 THANKS ALSO TO CHARISSE HILLS FOR LEADING THE WAY AND ALSO

09:22:11 FOR HER LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY.

09:22:13 THOSE OF YOU SENIORS MENTIONED YOUR CREDENTIALS AND WHERE

09:22:16 YOU'RE GOING TO SCHOOL.

09:22:17 VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE.

09:22:19 I THINK ALL OF US WERE IMPRESSED WITH THAT.

09:22:21 CONGRATS ALSO TO THE PARENTS THAT HAVE RAISED ALL OF YOU ALL

09:22:24 TO BE SMART AND SUCCESSFUL.

09:22:25 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU

09:22:29 SMART AND SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO TAMPA.

09:22:32 I THINK ALMOST ALL OF YOU ARE STUDYING OUTSIDE OF TAMPA.

09:22:35 IN TWO OR THREE YEARS, AS YOU'RE GETTING READY TO GRADUATE

09:22:38 OR DURING THE SUMMERS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF

09:22:41 THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY IN TAMPA FOR YOU, PLEASE LET US

09:22:44 KNOW.

09:22:44 WE'RE ALL CONNECTED AND WE NEED INTERNS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA





09:22:47 AND WE CAN HELP YOU IN THE COMMUNITY.

09:22:49 WHATEVER YOUR INTEREST IS, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR

09:22:51 YOU IN TAMPA.

09:22:52 AND TO THE PARENTS IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE RECRUITING THEM

09:22:55 BACK, PLEASE LET US KNOW BECAUSE THESE ARE THE KIND OF

09:22:58 PEOPLE WE NEED TO COME TO TAMPA TO START BUSINESSES AND MAKE

09:23:01 OUR COMMUNITY THRIVE.

09:23:02 CONGRATS AGAIN FOR YOUR SUCCESS.

09:23:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

09:23:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND YOUNG

09:23:09 LADIES, CONGRATULATIONS.

09:23:11 AWESOME ACCOMPLISHMENT.

09:23:13 I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN WITH YOU GUYS EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T

09:23:18 BEEN TO ONE GAME, BUT JOHN BENNETT, WHO I THINK IS HANGING

09:23:23 AROUND OUT THERE.

09:23:25 WHICH ONE IS HIS DAUGHTER?

09:23:27 THERE SHE IS.

09:23:29 ANYWAY, JOHN BENNETT HAS BEEN KEEPING US POSTED GAME BY

09:23:34 GAME.

09:23:35 I COULDN'T BELIEVE HE WAS SO EXCITED AT YOUR WIN.

09:23:41 AND WE WERE, TOO.

09:23:42 ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES HAS AN AMAZING HISTORY OF ACADEMICS

09:23:46 AND ALSO SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

09:23:50 SOME OF THE YOUNG LADIES AT YOUR SCHOOL ARE INVOLVED WITH

09:23:53 MR. CITRO AND MYSELF WITH OUR ROTARY CLUB.





09:23:56 I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS DO THE ROTARY, THE YOUTH

09:24:00 ROTARY PROGRAM, BUT GREAT SERVICE YOU PROVIDE BACK TO THE

09:24:04 COMMUNITY AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BIG WIN.

09:24:08 THANK YOU.

09:24:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO IS IN THE BACK THERE.

09:24:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:24:13 LADIES, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ON YOUR WONDERFUL YEAR.

09:24:16 BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THE ONES THAT HAVE TAUGHT YOU HOW TO

09:24:20 PLAY THE GAME.

09:24:21 CONGRATULATIONS, LADIES.

09:24:22 >> THANK YOU.

09:24:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHERE IS THE COACH AT?

09:24:25 HEAD COACH.

09:24:27 COACH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS TO BE A COACH, TO COACH FOR

09:24:38 MANY, MANY YEARS IN YOUTH ATHLETICS.

09:24:45 PROGRAMS I PUT TOGETHER, YOUTH FOOTBALL, SOME BASEBALL

09:24:45 PROGRAMS.

09:24:46 I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS TO BE A COACH.

09:24:49 BUT I UNDERSTAND THE FEELING OF BEING A CHAMPION.

09:24:52 IT IS THE MOST EXCITING FEELING THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO COACH

09:24:55 YOUNG PEOPLE.

09:24:57 THEY LISTEN TO YOU.

09:25:01 INSPIRE TO BE THE BEST.

09:25:05 AT THE END, THEY HAVE A CHAMPIONSHIP.

09:25:06 NO ONE CAN EVER TAKE THEM AWAY.





09:25:08 SOMETHING YOU CAN NEVER, EVER TAKE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE

09:25:11 RECORD BOOKS.

09:25:13 YOU'RE A CHAMPION.

09:25:14 THE SCHOOL IS A CHAMPION.

09:25:15 THE PARENTS ARE A CHAMPION.

09:25:16 I MY GOOD FRIEND, PRINCIPAL DELIA GADSON, THE PRINCIPAL AT

09:25:29 SHEEHY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, TALKS ABOUT THE GREAT PROFESSORS

09:25:33 AT THE SCHOOL.

09:25:34 I LOOK AT OUR PARKS DIRECTOR, MS. HILLS, WHO IS A BASKETBALL

09:25:39 CHAMPION HERSELF.

09:25:40 I JUST LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE SCHOOL.

09:25:42 I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP WITH THESE YOUNG

09:25:45 LADIES.

09:25:45 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL AND TO YOUR PARENTS.

09:25:47 GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

09:25:49 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

09:25:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

09:25:52 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:25:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

09:25:57 WE'LL GO TO ITEM --

09:25:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU ARE DISMISSED.

09:26:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SEE MR. CITRO DOWN THERE.

09:26:07 WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 3 SINCE HE'S DOWN THERE.

09:26:10 THEN MR. CARLSON WILL GO DOWN THERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 2.

09:26:16 ONCE SHE CLEANS THE LECTERN, ITEM NUMBER 3, MR. CITRO HAS





09:26:54 THE WALK-ON.

09:27:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:27:06 AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A GIRLS RULE KIND OF DAY.

09:27:10 I WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I AM SO PROUD OF THIS YOUNG

09:27:14 LADY, BUT I AM ALSO JEALOUS OF THIS YOUNG LADY.

09:27:19 THIS IS MS. ELYSE MEERDINK.

09:27:26 DID I SAY IT CORRECTLY?

09:27:27 WONDERFUL.

09:27:28 SHE WENT UP TO AUGUSTA NATIONAL.

09:27:32 NOW, IF NO ONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS ABOUT AUGUSTA NATIONAL,

09:27:36 THAT IS WHERE THE MASTERS PLAY.

09:27:39 AND JUST FOR THIS YOUNG LADY TO SINK A PUTT ON THE 18th

09:27:43 HOLE, AGAIN, I AM SO JEALOUS.

09:27:45 SHE WAS THE WINNER OF THE DRIVE, CHIP, AND PUTT NATIONAL

09:27:56 FINALS AGAIN IN AUGUSTA, GEORGIA, AT THE MASTERS, WHERE THE

09:27:59 MASTERS IS PLAYED, FOR THE GIRLS AGES 10 AND 11 DIVISION FOR

09:28:04 THIS LAST YEAR.

09:28:05 NOW, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF HER STATS.

09:28:09 HER DRIVE.

09:28:12 HER FIRST ATTEMPT WAS 227 YARDS.

09:28:17 HER SECOND ATTEMPT WAS 226 YARDS.

09:28:20 WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS YOUNG LADY IS ONLY 11 YEARS

09:28:26 OLD.

09:28:27 I DOUBT THERE'S ANY MEMBERS ON COUNCIL THAT COULD HIT IT

09:28:30 MUCH PAST HER.





09:28:31 HER CHIPS WERE -- ONE WAS A LITTLE OVER TWO FOOT.

09:28:36 ONE WAS A LITTLE OVER EIGHT FOOT.

09:28:38 HER PUTTS, HER FIRST PUTT AND, AGAIN, THE GREENS AT AUGUSTA

09:28:43 NATIONAL ARE LIKE PUTTING ON A BASKETBALL COURT.

09:28:47 LIGHTNING FAST.

09:28:48 FIRST PUTT WENT BY 8-FOOT.

09:28:50 I WATCHED THE VIDEOS.

09:28:52 YOU COULD SEE THERE WAS A LITTLE SHAKING IN HER EYES IN HOW

09:28:55 FAST THE GREENS WERE, BUT SHE SUNK HER SECOND PUTT IN ONE

09:29:00 PUTT.

09:29:01 AGAIN, I AM AMAZED AT THIS YOUNG LADY, AND I KNOW THAT GREAT

09:29:08 THINGS ARE GOING TO COME FROM HER.

09:29:12 AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY I ASKED CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE THIS

09:29:15 COMMENDATION.

09:29:18 IT IS PRESENTED TO MS. ELYSE MEERDINK, THE 2021 NATIONAL

09:29:22 DRIVE, CHIP AND PUTT CHAMPION.

09:29:26 THE CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDS YOU ON YOUR FIRST-PLACE WIN AT

09:29:30 THE GIRLS 10 AND 11 AGE DIVISION AT THE 2021 DRIVE, CHIP AND

09:29:36 PUTT NATIONAL FINALS AT AUGUSTA, GEORGIA.

09:29:39 YOUR PERSISTENCE, DEDICATION, COMPOSURE HAS SERVED YOU WELL

09:29:43 ON THE GOLF COURSE AND WILL SERVE YOU WELL IN LIFE.

09:29:48 WE CELEBRATE YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE LEGACY OF CHAMPIONS

09:29:51 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

09:29:52 IT IS WITH PLEASURE THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENT YOU,

09:29:57 ELYSE MEERDINK WITH THIS COMMENDATION ON THE 3rd DAY OF





09:30:01 JUNE, 2021.

09:30:05 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:30:06 NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM

09:30:14 HER.

09:30:16 COME STAND UP HERE.

09:30:18 WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU MISSED -- SORRY --

09:30:21 WHEN YOU MISSED THAT FIRST PUTT AND YOU HAD TO STEP BACK AND

09:30:24 GAIN COMPOSURE TO MAKE THE SECOND PUTT?

09:30:26 >> WELL, WHEN I HIT THE PUTT, I KNEW THAT IT WAS PROBABLY

09:30:30 TOO HARD.

09:30:30 AND I WAS JUST HOPING IT WOULDN'T GO TOO FAR BY BECAUSE

09:30:34 BEFORE I HIT MY FIRST PUTT, I LOOKED UP AT THE SCOREBOARD

09:30:38 AND I SAW THAT I HAD 11 FEET OR CLOSER BETWEEN THE TWO PUTTS

09:30:42 TO WIN.

09:30:42 SO I WAS JUST HOPING THAT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 11 FEET SO

09:30:46 THAT I STILL HAD A CHANCE ON THE SECOND PUTT, WHICH IT WAS,

09:30:52 AND I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED AT FIRST WHEN IT WENT REALLY FAR

09:30:56 BY, BUT I KNEW THAT I HAD TO KIND OF COMPOSE MYSELF AND JUST

09:31:04 FOCUS ON THE SECOND PUTT.

09:31:06 OTHERWISE, IF I DIDN'T, IT WOULDN'T HAVE GONE WELL.

09:31:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.

09:31:12 I OPEN IT UP TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

09:31:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, ANYTHING, SIR?

09:31:17 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

09:31:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANKS, JOE.





09:31:21 THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS FANTASTIC YOUNG LADY INTO COUNCIL.

09:31:26 I IMAGINE THOSE TWO FOLKS SMILING BACK THERE MIGHT HAVE

09:31:29 SOMETHING TO DO WITH HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

09:31:31 DO YOU WANT TO BRING THEM FORWARD, JOE?

09:31:34 WE'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AS WELL.

09:31:37 WHAT'S THE HOME COURSE?

09:31:41 THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT.

09:31:43 WHERE DO YOU GUYS PLAY AT?

09:31:45 >> MY HOME COURSE IS AVILA GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB.

09:31:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: VERY NICE.

09:31:52 WE'RE SO PROUD OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

09:31:55 YOU'RE STANDING NEXT TO COUNCILMAN CITRO WHO I PLAYED GOLF

09:31:58 WITH ONCE AND ONLY ONCE BECAUSE HE'S WAY TOO GOOD FOR ME.

09:32:02 JOE HITS A MEAN BALL.

09:32:03 THE TWO OF YOU NEED TO GO OUT TOGETHER AND SEE HOW WE DO.

09:32:07 BUT CONGRATULATIONS, ELYSE.

09:32:09 FANTASTIC.

09:32:10 I ONLY HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOUR FUTURE, SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW

09:32:14 IS GO GATORS.

09:32:15 THINK ABOUT IT.

09:32:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, ANYTHING, SIR?

09:32:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.

09:32:20 GOLF IS A VERY DIFFICULT GAME TO PLAY.

09:32:23 I'VE HIT EVERY POND AND EVERY RIVER AND EVERY OCEAN, EVEN

09:32:27 THOUGH THERE WASN'T WATER, I'D FALL IN WATER.





09:32:30 I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO MUCH BETTER

09:32:33 THAN 99% OF US THAT PLAY THE GAME.

09:32:38 THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

09:32:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S SO IRONIC WE HAVE A GOLFER HERE THIS

09:32:41 MORNING.

09:32:42 I WAS JUST GETTING ONLINE, GOLFING TOURNAMENT THIS WEEKEND,

09:32:45 I WAS LOOKING AT THE CLUBS I HAVE, AND I DON'T HAVE A

09:32:48 RIGHT-HAND PUTTER.

09:32:49 IT IS A LEFT-HAND PUTTER.

09:32:52 THE LAST TIME I GOLFED I WAS WONDERING WHY I HAD DIFFICULTY.

09:32:55 IT WAS THE WRONG SIDE PUTTER.

09:32:58 WHAT DO YOU USE, ELYSE?

09:32:59 OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A GREAT PUTTER MAKING THIS 18th HOLE

09:33:04 SHOT.

09:33:04 WHAT DO YOU USE?

09:33:05 WHAT BRAND?

09:33:07 >> I USE A RIGHT-HANDED TAYLORMADE PUTTER.

09:33:12 IT'S AN ARDMORE 3.

09:33:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

09:33:18 WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, YOU SAW SOME OTHER CHAMPIONS JUST

09:33:21 BEFORE YOU.

09:33:22 OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE ON THAT WAY TO BEING A GREAT CHAMPION AND

09:33:25 EVERYTHING YOU DO ESPECIALLY ON THE GOLF COURSE.

09:33:27 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR PARENTS.

09:33:29 >> THANK YOU.





09:33:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'VE GOT THREE REQUESTS OF YOU.

09:33:34 NUMBER ONE, IF YOU EVER NEED SOMEONE TO LOOP FOR YOU, I'LL

09:33:38 BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CARRY YOUR BAG.

09:33:42 NUMBER TWO, DON'T GIVE UP NOW.

09:33:45 YOU'RE ON A GREAT PATH.

09:33:46 I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU BE THE FIRST FEMALE TO PLAY IN THE

09:33:50 MASTERS.

09:33:50 AND NUMBER THREE, WOULD YOU SIGN MY GLOVE, PLEASE?

09:33:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JOE, YOU'RE A GROUPIE.

09:34:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M TELLING YOU, YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT

09:34:03 EQUIPMENT THEY USE, WHAT KIND OF BALL THEY USE, WHAT KIND OF

09:34:06 GLOVE.

09:34:07 WHEN SHE TURNS PRO, I CAN'T DISPLAY THIS ANY LONGER.

09:34:13 SHE USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GLOVE, CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS.

09:34:19 A LITTLE SMILEY FACE.

09:34:26 I LOVE IT.

09:34:26 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:34:28 THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.

09:34:28 THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

09:34:29 CONGRATULATIONS.

09:34:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CONGRATULATIONS, PARENTS.

09:34:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK MR. CARLSON IS UP NEXT WITH ITEM

09:34:42 NUMBER 1, CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES.

09:35:01 >>BILL CARLSON: READY, MR. CHAIR?

09:35:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, READY ANYTIME YOU ARE.





09:35:05 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M EXCITED TODAY TO GIVE A COMMENDATION ON

09:35:08 BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL TO ONE OF THE GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD

09:35:11 LEADERS OF SOUTH TAMPA, MARLIN ANDERSON.

09:35:13 THERE'S A LOT THAT I COULD SAY ABOUT MARLIN.

09:35:16 I'LL READ THE COMMENDATION WE'LL GIVE HIM, BUT I'VE KNOWN

09:35:19 HIM BECAUSE I WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVIST INVOLVED IN THE

09:35:22 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

09:35:23 AND HE PUT TOGETHER YEARS AGO AN ORGANIZATION OF ALL THE

09:35:26 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN SOUTH TAMPA FIGURING IF WE ALL

09:35:29 WORKED TOGETHER THAT WE COULD GET MORE DONE.

09:35:31 THEY ALSO, AS PART OF THAT, EVERY FOUR YEARS PUT TOGETHER

09:35:35 MAYORAL AND CITY COUNCIL DEBATES, WHICH WE ALL PARTICIPATED

09:35:38 IN, AND MARLIN DOES A GREAT JOB OF BEING NEUTRAL THROUGH

09:35:41 THOSE THINGS AND ALSO ASKING TOUGH QUESTIONS.

09:35:44 SO THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING SOUTH TAMPA AND FOR ALL YOUR

09:35:48 LEADERSHIP THERE AND FOR MAKING SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD

09:35:51 LEADERS IN SOUTH TAMPA ARE EFFECTIVE AT WHAT THEY DO.

09:35:54 I'LL READ THIS COMMENDATION, IT SAYS: IT IS WITH SINCERE

09:35:57 GRATITUDE THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENTS THIS

09:35:59 COMMENDATION TO MARLIN ANDERSON IN HONOR OF HIS SERVICE AND

09:36:02 LEADERSHIP TO THE SOUTH TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS.

09:36:04 YOU STARTED YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF

09:36:06 THE SUNSET PARK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION SERVING AS PRESIDENT

09:36:09 FOR EIGHT YEARS.

09:36:10 DURING THAT TIME YOU WERE ENGAGED IN NUMEROUS NEIGHBORHOOD





09:36:13 ISSUES INCLUDING STORMWATER DRAINAGE, WATER QUALITY AND

09:36:15 TRAFFIC CONGESTION AS FOUNDER OF SOUTH TAMPA COALITION,

09:36:19 UNITED SOUTH TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS ON ISSUES AFFECTING SOUTH

09:36:22 TAMPA WHILE ALSO ORGANIZING AND PROMOTING A NEW LEVEL OF

09:36:24 ENGAGEMENT FOR MANY CITIZENS AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR

09:36:27 INVOLVEMENT.

09:36:27 AS THE ORGANIZER OF SOME OF THE BEST ATTENDED CANDIDATE

09:36:30 FORUMS IN THE CITY, YOU HELP TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THE

09:36:33 VARIOUS POLITICAL CANDIDATES.

09:36:34 YOUR KINDNESS, GENEROSITY, SPIRIT AND LEADERSHIP THAT HAS

09:36:37 INSPIRED COUNTLESS CITIZENS HAS MADE THE CITY OF TAMPA A

09:36:41 BETTER PLACE.

09:36:42 I'D LIKE TO HAVE HIM SPEAK A FEW MINUTES.

09:36:45 MAYBE CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST.

09:36:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO.

09:36:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, MARLIN, I MET YOU ABOUT TEN

09:36:54 YEARS AGO.

09:36:55 COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID IT ALL REGARDING THE FORMS YOU PUT

09:36:59 TOGETHER WITH THE CANDIDATES, YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE

09:37:02 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

09:37:03 YOU'VE ALWAYS INSPIRED ME.

09:37:05 YOU ARE A VERY GOOD MAN.

09:37:06 YOU ARE A VERY KIND INDIVIDUAL.

09:37:08 I APPRECIATE YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND YOUR DEDICATION TO SERVING

09:37:12 THE COMMUNITY AND YOUR MANY WAYS THAT YOU'VE DONE SO.





09:37:15 SO THANK YOU.

09:37:16 IS THIS YOUR FIRST COMMENDATION FROM CITY COUNCIL?

09:37:20 IT'S LONG OVERDUE.

09:37:22 YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOREVER.

09:37:24 I'M SURPRISED, YOU KNOW.

09:37:26 WELL DESERVED, SIR.

09:37:28 THANK YOU.

09:37:28 IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.

09:37:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY.

09:37:34 THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS LONG OVERDUE.

09:37:37 YOU HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT DIDN'T WANT TO

09:37:41 BE POLITICAL, BUT WAS SO MUCH INTO POLITICS.

09:37:45 YOU MADE SURE THE INFORMATION OF ALL THE CANDIDATES WERE OUT

09:37:47 THERE.

09:37:48 YOU HELD FORUMS.

09:37:50 YOU HELD QUESTIONS.

09:37:51 YOU HELD DEBATES.

09:37:53 AGAIN, YOU WEREN'T BEING POLITICAL, BUT YOU WERE BEING

09:37:56 POLITICAL IN LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THE CHOICES THEY HAVE

09:37:59 BEFORE THEM.

09:37:59 I REMEMBER THE TWO THAT I ATTENDED WITH MS. VICKY POLLIER AS

09:38:06 ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.

09:38:09 I THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE, NOT ONLY FOR YOUR

09:38:13 AREA, BUT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

09:38:15 CONGRATULATIONS, MY FRIEND.





09:38:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, ANYTHING, SIR?

09:38:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOOD MORNING, MARLIN.

09:38:22 MARLIN AND I NOT ONLY GO BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT WE

09:38:25 RAISED OUR CHILDREN TOGETHER.

09:38:26 ANYWAY, MARLIN, CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT ALL YOU DO FOR OUR

09:38:31 COMMUNITY.

09:38:31 IT ALL STARTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AND

09:38:35 WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE A LEADER LIKE YOU.

09:38:38 KEEP IT UP.

09:38:39 THANK YOU.

09:38:39 GOOD TO SEE YOU, MARLIN.

09:38:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

09:38:44 TO DO WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND HOLD THESE POLITICAL MEETINGS

09:38:46 WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE CANDIDATES COME UP AND YOU DO IT IN A

09:38:49 FASHION OR HAVE DONE IT IN A FASHION, I HOPE YOU CONTINUE

09:38:53 SOMEHOW TO DO IT, THAT WAS NOT FAVORABLE TO ONE OR FAVORABLE

09:38:56 TO ANOTHER, BUT FAVORABLE TO ALL.

09:38:59 AND YOU HELD THE CROWD IN CHECK AS TO WHEN THEY GOT TOO MUCH

09:39:05 ON ONE SIDE, ONE CANDIDATE.

09:39:08 YOU SAID SPREAD IT OUT AMONG ALL THE CANDIDATES.

09:39:10 YOU DID SOMETHING THAT VERY FEW CAN DO.

09:39:12 WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

09:39:14 I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AGO.

09:39:16 FRANK HOUSE.

09:39:19 MARGARET VIZZI, THE REST OF THEM HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING





09:39:23 JOB.

09:39:24 YOU WERE PART OF THE CORE OF THE APPLE THAT PUT A TREE ON

09:39:26 THAT DEVELOPED AN ORCHARD.

09:39:29 WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:39:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'VE SEEN YOU AROUND DOWNTOWN A LOT.

09:39:37 DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, TALKING TO PEOPLE.

09:39:40 UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE STRONG COMMUNITIES AND

09:39:42 ASSOCIATIONS.

09:39:43 I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

09:39:46 THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON FOR RECOGNIZING.

09:39:47 >>BILL CARLSON: I SHOULD ALSO ADD WE WERE GOING TO GIVE THIS

09:39:50 TO HIM ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND THEN COVID HIT.

09:39:52 WE THOUGHT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT WE WANTED TO DO IT IN PERSON.

09:39:56 DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?

09:39:58 >> ABSOLUTELY.

09:39:58 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

09:40:00 THIS IS A GREAT HONOR.

09:40:02 I DIDN'T REALLY EXPECT THIS, BUT IT HAPPENED.

09:40:05 YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I LOVE THE CITY OF TAMPA.

09:40:10 I LOVE THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND IT HAS BEEN

09:40:15 MY PLEASURE TO DO MY PART TO HELP MAKE THIS GREAT CITY A

09:40:18 BETTER PLACE IN WHICH TO LIVE.

09:40:20 THANK YOU.

09:40:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:40:23 MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, WE DID NOT APPROVE THE AGENDA, THE





09:40:34 ADDENDUM.

09:40:35 MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.

09:40:37 SECONDED BY MR. CITRO.

09:40:38 ALL IN FAVOR?

09:40:39 AS FAR AS STAFF REPORTS, I LOOKED AT THEM AND MOST OF THEM

09:40:47 HAVE TO DO WITH BEING PRESENT.

09:40:50 WE WILL GO TO AS PROMISED.

09:40:51 I KNOW CHIEF BENNETT HAS SOMETHING FOR 57.

09:40:54 ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON 58? 59?

09:41:00 WE NEED TO RELEASE ANYBODY?

09:41:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 61 I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE

09:41:27 SOMEBODY SPEAK TO.

09:41:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 61 AND 59 ASTERISK BY.

09:41:44 58, NO PROBLEM WITH RELEASING MR. BAIRD ON 58?

09:41:47 59?

09:41:50 THAT'S A REPORT ANYWAY.

09:41:55 WE'LL HEAR FROM THAT.

09:41:56 60?

09:41:56 ALL RIGHT.

09:41:59 THAT'S A REPORT ON THAT.

09:42:01 61, NEED TO APPEAR.

09:42:05 62 IS A DRAFT PRESENTATION.

09:42:08 63 NEED TO APPEAR TO PRESENT.

09:42:12 I THINK THE ONLY ONE WE NEED TO RELEASE IS MR. BAIRD ON 58.

09:42:24 WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.





09:42:27 WE'LL GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR.

09:42:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WAS A MOTION AND A VOTE?

09:42:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

09:42:36 >> TRAE WEINGARDT, ATTORNEY AT HILL WARD HENDERSON.

09:43:04 I'M HERE SPEAKING ABOUT RESOLUTION NUMBER 30 ON THE AGENDA.

09:43:10 IT INVOLVES A RELEASE OF EASEMENT, ROE 21-16.

09:43:17 THE REQUEST WAS MADE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 505 SOUTH

09:43:21 ROYAL PALM WAY.

09:43:22 I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF GORDON AND BARBARA BABBITT

09:43:27 WHO LIVE ADJACENT AT 4604 WEST BEACH PARK DRIVE.

09:43:31 THE REASON WE ARE HERE AND A BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT 505

09:43:37 SOUTH ROYAL PALM WAY, THAT PROPERTY EXISTS -- IT'S IN ORANGE

09:43:41 HERE ON THE SHEET.

09:43:44 PREVIOUSLY, THE PROPERTY HAD AN ALLEYWAY BEHIND IT AND SORT

09:43:47 OF A ROUNDABOUT THAT'S CALLED LOT E HERE.

09:43:51 LOT E WAS A NONBUILDABLE LOT WHEN THIS WAS PLATTED

09:43:54 APPROXIMATELY 100 YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS AN EASEMENT THAT

09:43:58 RAN THROUGH THE ALLEYWAY THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

09:44:00 THAT ALLEYWAY AND THE EASEMENT STILL EXISTS TODAY.

09:44:04 NEVERTHELESS, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THIS PARCEL WAS COMBINED SO

09:44:08 THAT LOT 4 AND LOT E WERE COMBINED INTO ONE LOT.

09:44:14 HOWEVER, THE EASEMENT NEVER WAS RELEASED AND LOT E NEVER

09:44:17 BECAME A BUILDABLE LOT.

09:44:19 THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY CODE REQUIRES THAT A LOT HAVE

09:44:23 NO INTERIOR ANGLE OF LESS THAN 30 DEGREES.





09:44:27 HOWEVER, THIS ANGLE IN LOT E IS ONLY 26 DEGREES.

09:44:31 SO THIS LOT IS NOT CURRENTLY BUILDABLE.

09:44:34 HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS BEGUN CONSTRUCTION IN LOT E

09:44:38 IN WHAT IS STILL AN EASEMENT.

09:44:40 NOW, THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY AND THE REASON THIS IS

09:44:43 IMPORTANT IS THAT WHEN THE BABBITTS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS IN

09:44:47 THIS AREA PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, THEY DID SO WITH THE

09:44:50 UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS EASEMENT ACTED AS A BARRIER BETWEEN

09:44:52 THE STRUCTURES AND THE HOMES IN THE HISTORIC BEACH PARK

09:44:56 NEIGHBORHOOD.

09:44:56 THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOR A HUNDRED YEARS SINCE IT WAS

09:44:59 ORIGINALLY PLATTED.

09:45:00 THE RESULT OF RELEASING THIS EASEMENT TODAY WILL BE TO THE

09:45:04 CONSTRUCTION IN THE EASEMENT WILL CONTINUE AND A HOME -- A

09:45:07 BUILDING THAT IS 36-FOOT TALL WILL BE BUILT ONLY SEVEN FEET

09:45:11 FROM THE BABBITT'S BACKYARD, FROM THEIR POOL.

09:45:15 WHAT THAT WILL MEAN IS FOR THE BABBITT'S PROPERTY

09:45:20 SPECIFICALLY, TWO-STORY BUILDINGS ON ALL THREE SIDES NOT

09:45:23 FACING THE STREET OF THEIR PROPERTY, BUILT ONLY 7 FEET FROM

09:45:27 THE LOT LINE.

09:45:28 IN THIS BEAUTIFUL BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS EXISTED

09:45:32 IN THIS STATE FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY, THERE WILL BE LOT

09:45:35 LINE TO LOT LINE CONSTRUCTION.

09:45:38 I BROUGHT A COUPLE OF PICTURES DEMONSTRATING.

09:45:44 THIS IS WHAT THE AREA LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION





09:45:46 BEGAN.

09:45:47 YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE TREES AND EVERYTHING IN THE AREA.

09:45:51 THIS IS SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN.

09:45:55 THE TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED IN THIS WHOLE LARGE AREA, AND

09:45:58 YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A VERY SMALL SLIVER THAT EXTENDS

09:46:02 BACK, FAR BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.

09:46:05 AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.

09:46:07 YOU CAN SEE HOW SLIM THAT AREA IS, AND THAT IS RIGHT WHERE

09:46:10 THE EASEMENT RUNS AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION IS BEING

09:46:13 CONDUCTED CURRENTLY.

09:46:15 THE REASON WE'RE HERE AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING THAT

09:46:18 THIS EASEMENT NOT BE RELEASED IS BECAUSE, AS I STATED, THE

09:46:22 BABBITTS AND THE NEIGHBORS IN THE BEAUTIFUL AND HISTORIC

09:46:25 BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE RELIED ON THIS EASEMENT FOR

09:46:28 MORE THAN A CENTURY TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY AND THE OVERALL

09:46:35 -- THE WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN AND THE WAY THE

09:46:37 NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE.

09:46:39 SO WE ASK THAT THE COUNCIL PLEASE DENY THE REQUEST FOR

09:46:43 RELEASE.

09:46:43 THANK YOU.

09:46:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

09:46:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:46:48 I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME AT THE BEGINNING.

09:46:50 >> TRAE WEINGARDT.

09:46:56 I'M WITH HILL WARD HENDERSON.





09:46:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COULD YOU PUT UP THAT PICTURE?

09:47:01 I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND TO THE LAST PHOTOGRAPH.

09:47:05 I WAS READING THROUGH SOME OF THIS YESTERDAY.

09:47:11 >> IS THAT THE ONE?

09:47:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

09:47:17 >> IF I COULD INTERRUPT.

09:47:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

09:47:20 I THINK IT'S JUST ON THE AGENDA ON CONSENT.

09:47:23 >> CORRECT.

09:47:23 THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT -- ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY

09:47:27 ATTORNEY.

09:47:27 MY CONCERN IS WE ARE AWARE THROUGH OTHER CORRESPONDENCE FROM

09:47:33 MR. WEINGARDT, THAT THEY MAY BE PURSUING LEGAL ACTION

09:47:39 AGAINST THE CITY WITH REGARD TO NOT THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT

09:47:43 THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, BUT A PRIOR DETERMINATION MADE BY

09:47:47 THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

09:47:50 SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING TOO DEEP INTO THE

09:47:53 WEEDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT IS

09:47:58 WHAT WILL BE AT ISSUE SHOULD THEY PURSUE LITIGATION.

09:48:02 SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU KEEP ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS

09:48:06 CONFINED TO THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS SIMPLY THE

09:48:09 RELEASE OF EASEMENT.

09:48:11 AND RON WIGGINTON OF OUR OFFICE IS PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT

09:48:16 WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP.

09:48:17 I KNOW IT WAS PULLED FROM THE AGENDA TO BE DISCUSSED AS PART





09:48:20 OF THE ADDENDUM.

09:48:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE THE HEADS-UP.

09:48:28 ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS GOING TO BE RELATED TO THE

09:48:30 CONSTRUCTION, BUT I WILL NOT ASK THAT QUESTION.

09:48:33 I DO HAVE A QUESTION AS RELATED TO ITEM 30, UNLESS SOMEBODY

09:48:38 IS GOING TO TELL US THAT ITEM 30 IS GOING TO BE STRUCK FROM

09:48:41 TODAY'S AGENDA.

09:48:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.

09:48:45 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

09:48:46 YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM MR. WIGGINTON

09:48:50 FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT RELATIVE TO THE BACKGROUND OF THIS

09:48:52 BEFORE YOU ASK YOUR QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO WHAT

09:48:56 YOU WILL BE ASKING.

09:48:58 I THINK YOU'RE ASKING --

09:49:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M LOOKING AT A PICTURE.

09:49:04 WHAT I WANTED TO ASK THE GENTLEMAN WAS IF HE COULD USE HIS

09:49:08 FINGER TO SHOW US WHERE THE SUBJECT EASEMENT IS.

09:49:12 IT'S BEEN HARD TO SEE FROM THE COMPUTER SIDE OF THINGS.

09:49:17 SO IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW US WHERE THE SUBJECT EASEMENT IS

09:49:20 FOR ITEM 30.

09:49:23 >> I'LL DO MY BEST WITH THE ELMO.

09:49:24 IF YOU REMEMBER THE PLAT, AND YOU SAW LOT E, THIS IS LOT E

09:49:30 RIGHT HERE.

09:49:30 THE EASEMENT RUNS SORT OF ALONG WHAT LOOKS LIKE A WHITE

09:49:34 FENCE LINE HERE AND COMES AND CURVES RIGHT HERE WHERE THE





09:49:38 PROPERTY NARROWS.

09:49:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHERE IS THE BABBITT HOUSE?

09:49:41 >> THE BABBITT HOUSE IS THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE.

09:49:44 IF I CAN SWITCH PICTURES FOR YOU JUST MOMENTARILY.

09:49:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN WAS THE VACATING?

09:49:53 BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE ALLEY WAS ACTUALLY -- OR THE -- I

09:49:57 DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS -- AN ALLEY OR RIGHT-OF-WAY -- WAS

09:50:02 VACATED A WHILE BACK.

09:50:03 DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WAS, MR. WEINGARDT?

09:50:06 >> YOU'RE RIGHT.

09:50:07 THERE WAS A RIGHT-OF-WAY AND SEPARATE UTILITY EASEMENT.

09:50:09 I BELIEVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS ABANDONED BACK IN THE '50s.

09:50:13 FROM MY REVIEW OF THIS, IT APPEARS THAT IT WAS -- THE LOTS

09:50:18 THAT ARE TO THE WEST WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL

09:50:21 LOTS, AND THAT ALLEYWAY WAS GOING TO SERVE THEM.

09:50:24 ULTIMATELY THEY BECAME INDIVIDUAL NOT COMMERCIAL AND BECAUSE

09:50:30 OF THAT THE ALLEY WAS ABANDONED.

09:50:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:50:32 I APPRECIATE IT.

09:50:33 THANK YOU, AGAIN, MS. ZELMAN, FOR YOUR HEADS-UP.

09:50:38 >> THANK YOU.

09:50:38 I'LL STICK AROUND IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS DURING THE

09:50:44 DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.

09:50:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

09:50:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEXT SPEAKER.





09:50:47 ANYTIME YOU ARE READY, SIR.

09:51:17 >> STEVE MICHELINI.

09:51:18 I'M HERE REPRESENTING MILANA HOMES WHO IS REQUESTING THIS

09:51:22 RELEASE OF EASEMENT.

09:51:25 I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THE EASEMENT IS ON

09:51:28 PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN.

09:51:30 IT'S NOT PROPERTY THAT THE BABBITTS OWN OR THEY HAVE ANY

09:51:34 RIGHTS TO.

09:51:36 THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT EASEMENT.

09:51:38 IT'S BEEN ALREADY DETERMINED BY THE CITY THROUGH ITS REVIEW

09:51:42 PROCESS THAT THERE ARE NO RESERVATIONS THERE FOR ANY KIND OF

09:51:46 UTILITIES.

09:51:46 IT'S CURRENTLY NOT BEING USED.

09:51:48 THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING TO YOU AS A REQUEST TO RELEASE THE

09:51:52 EASEMENT BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE EASEMENTS ARE HELD IN TRUST

09:51:57 BY THE CITY FOR PUBLIC USE.

09:51:59 AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC USE THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, AND

09:52:02 THAT'S PER THE STAFF REPORT.

09:52:03 AS FAR AS MR. WEINGARDT'S PRESENTATION REGARDING WHAT IT WAS

09:52:10 HISTORICALLY, THAT THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS REQUEST.

09:52:13 IT MAY HAVE BEEN USEFUL A HUNDRED YEARS AGO OR 50 YEARS AGO,

09:52:19 60 YEARS AGO, WHENEVER BUT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED AND

09:52:23 HAS NO PUBLIC PURPOSE RIGHT NOW.

09:52:25 THAT'S WHY THE EASEMENT REQUEST, THE RELEASE IS IN THERE.

09:52:27 THE ALLEY, AS MR. DINGFELDER POINTED OUT, HAS ALREADY BEEN





09:52:33 VACATED.

09:52:34 SO THE RIGHTS OF PASSAGE THERE HAVE BEEN RELEASED.

09:52:39 I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THEY DIDN'T RELEASE THE EASEMENT

09:52:42 WHEN THEY RELEASED -- WHEN THEY VACATED THE ALLEY, BUT FOR

09:52:46 WHATEVER REASON, THEY DIDN'T.

09:52:49 A LETTER HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT TO MR. WEINGARDT REGARDING

09:52:52 THE CITY'S DETERMINATION FOR SETBACKS AND RELATED ISSUES.

09:52:59 TYPICALLY ON TRIANGULAR SHAPED LOTS, THE NARROWEST PART OF

09:53:03 THE LOT IS THE FRONT, AND THEY HAVE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT

09:53:06 THIS IS A FRONT THAT IS ON ROYAL PALM WAY, AND THEN THE

09:53:11 SIDES ARE RESPECTIVELY ON THE BABBITT SIDE, ALTHOUGH THAT'S

09:53:14 THEIR REAR YARD, IT IS THE SIDE YARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR

09:53:19 PARCEL.

09:53:19 I'LL BE STAYING AROUND FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION LATER ON.

09:53:23 WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND

09:53:26 WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION REGARDING THE MATTER, AND

09:53:29 WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RELEASE OF

09:53:32 EASEMENT AS PETITIONED AND SUPPORTED BY THE CITY STAFF AND

09:53:36 CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

09:53:37 THANK YOU.

09:53:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:53:41 THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.

09:53:43 MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR EXPEDIENCY, I'D HAVE CONCERN VOTING

09:53:51 ON THIS TODAY BECAUSE NOW WE'VE HEARD FROM MS. ZELMAN ABOUT

09:53:56 POTENTIAL LITIGATION.





09:53:57 WE HAVE TWO LAWYERS HERE WHO ARE TELLING US -- NOT TWO

09:54:02 LAWYERS -- WE HAVE A LAWYER AND A VERY, VERY SMART LAND USE

09:54:05 GUY, STEVE MICHELINI, TELLING US TWO DIFFERENT -- YOU KNOW,

09:54:09 TWO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS.

09:54:11 I WOULD SUGGEST WITH RESPECT TO MR. MANISCALCO THAT WE DEFER

09:54:17 THIS FOR TWO WEEKS SO LEGAL CAN MEET WITH US INDIVIDUALLY

09:54:22 AND BRIEF US INDIVIDUALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY'S ROLE

09:54:27 AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THIS DISCUSSED

09:54:33 IN THE PUBLIC FORUM, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF MS. ZELMAN

09:54:38 EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT LITIGATION.

09:54:40 THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.

09:54:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. ZELMAN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

09:54:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN AGAIN.

09:54:47 I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LET RON WIGGINTON GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN

09:54:53 TO YOU THE ACTUAL EASEMENT REQUEST AS DISTINGUISHED FROM

09:54:55 SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

09:54:58 I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN'T GO FORWARD.

09:55:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T GO FORWARD.

09:55:05 I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE PRUDENT TO GO FORWARD.

09:55:08 I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANY EXIGENCY OF GOING TODAY.

09:55:14 I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT TO DEFER TWO WEEKS.

09:55:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD PREFER WE WAIT TILL WE GET TO ITEM

09:55:21 NUMBER 30 AND AT THAT TIME WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION.

09:55:26 WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

09:55:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT, NO PROBLEM.





09:55:29 >>RON WIGGINTON: AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS GOING TO BE

09:55:34 SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.

09:55:36 IT'S A SIMPLE RELEASE OF EASEMENT THAT HAS BEEN DETERMINED

09:55:40 BY RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING COORDINATOR THAT IS NO LONGER

09:55:43 NEEDED.

09:55:43 AS FAR AS DEFERRING, I HAVE NOT BEEN INFORMED THAT THERE'S

09:55:50 ANY URGENCY TO THIS ITEM.

09:55:52 WE ARE IN AGREEMENT IF THAT IS THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

09:55:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, SINCE YOU PUT IT OUT THERE

09:56:01 AND MR. RON HAS SAID NOT GREAT URGENCY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND

09:56:06 ENTERTAIN IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TWO WEEKS.

09:56:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S UP TO --

09:56:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SPOKE TO MR. WIGGINTON YESTERDAY TO

09:56:14 GET CLARITY ON THIS BEFORE I SENT THE MEMO TO PULL THE ITEM.

09:56:19 I'M GOOD WITH IT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, AS HE SAID, THERE'S NO

09:56:23 SENSE OF URGENCY IF YOU WANT TO DEFER FOR TWO WEEKS JUST SO

09:56:26 EVERYBODY CAN GET ON THE SAME PAGE, IF THEY HAVE ANY

09:56:29 QUESTIONS OFF-LINE, WHATEVER.

09:56:30 I DON'T MIND AT ALL.

09:56:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND TO DEFER.

09:56:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY MR.

09:56:41 MIRANDA.

09:56:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS TWO WEEKS ENOUGH TIME?

09:56:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I APOLOGIZE.

09:56:46 I JUST RECEIVED A TEXT FROM THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT





09:56:50 DEPARTMENT.

09:56:51 THEY ASKED FOR A 30-DAY WINDOW.

09:56:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT TAKES TO US A VACATION DAY.

09:56:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JULY 15 WOULD BE THE FIRST REGULAR

09:57:00 MEETING WHEN WE COME BACK FROM THE SUMMER BREAK.

09:57:05 >>THE CLERK: JULY 15 WILL BE THE NEXT REGULAR SESSION AFTER

09:57:08 THE BREAK.

09:57:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHANGE THE MOTION TO JULY 15, I'LL

09:57:18 SECOND.

09:57:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.

09:57:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

09:57:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?

09:57:21 ANY OPPOSED?

09:57:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:57:29 THAT RESOLVES THE ISSUE FOR ITEM NUMBER 30.

09:57:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.

09:57:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON THE AGENDA.

09:57:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT IS CORRECT.

09:57:34 WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

09:57:37 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

09:57:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, WERE YOU SAYING THAT SHOULD

09:57:48 COME UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS INSTEAD OF CONSENT?

09:57:51 IT WOULD BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY.

09:57:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE YOUR PLEASURE.

09:57:56 CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE -- UNFINISHED BUSINESS





09:58:01 THEN, PLEASE.

09:58:02 THANK YOU.

09:58:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING, SIR.

09:58:09 >> GOOD MORNING.

09:58:09 MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.

09:58:13 ONE THING YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO RECOGNIZE AND ALWAYS AFRICAN

09:58:19 PEOPLE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE.

09:58:20 THEY DO US DIRTY AND THEY DO US NASTY.

09:58:25 THEY CUT MY TIME OFF.

09:58:28 THEY CUT MY TIME OFF, SENT SOMEBODY ELSE UP.

09:58:31 THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT EASEMENT.

09:58:33 30 YEARS I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE, WE 26% OF THE

09:58:36 POPULATION.

09:58:36 THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A RIGHT-OF-WAY OF ALLEY AND WHO HAVE

09:58:39 RIGHTS TO IT AND WHATNOT.

09:58:40 I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WE'RE 26% OF THIS POPULATION AND WE

09:58:44 DON'T ENJOY 26% OF THE CITY BUDGET ANYWAY WHATSOEVER.

09:58:48 WE GET ABOUT 90% OF THE BAD TREATMENT OF THE POLICE

09:58:51 DEPARTMENT AND EVERYBODY ELSE.

09:58:53 AND NOTHING ABOUT THAT, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING ABOUT

09:58:57 THAT.

09:58:59 IT'S A DISRESPECT AND A DISREGARD THEY HAVE FOR AFRICAN

09:59:03 PEOPLE.

09:59:04 IT IS A HATRED THEY HAVE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.

09:59:06 AND THEY HAVE US LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT





09:59:12 PARTICIPATING IN OUR OWN OPPRESSION.

09:59:15 WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT OVER 600,000 BICYCLE STOPS.

09:59:18 WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT DO

09:59:21 THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITIES.

09:59:23 WE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE.

09:59:25 ALL THESE THINGS WE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT.

09:59:28 WE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL THAT THEY ADDING ON TAXES TO HELP

09:59:34 BUCCANEER, A TEAM WITH A RACIST NAME, BUCCANEER, ADDING ON

09:59:41 TAXES TO HELP THEM BUT NOT TO HELP OUR COMMUNITIES OR OUR

09:59:44 PEOPLE OR OUR YOUTH.

09:59:45 AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL WITH THAT FORM OF OPPRESSION.

09:59:48 AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE INSULTED AND COOL ABOUT IT.

09:59:52 SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT WEARING A SHIRT DOWN HERE AND YOU

09:59:54 ALL HAVE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WANT TO PUT YOU OUT, ARREST

09:59:57 YOU, PUT YOU IN HANDCUFFS.

09:59:59 AND MY SHIRT LOOKS OFFENSIVE, BUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR

10:00:03 SOUTH TAMPA, THAT JUNKYARD THEY HAVE RUNNING THROUGH GANDY

10:00:08 BOULEVARD, A STRAIGHT JUNKYARD THAT THEY HAVE RUNNING

10:00:11 THROUGH GANDY BOULEVARD THAT THEY CALL AN EXPRESSWAY THAT

10:00:14 NEED TO BE REMOVED, AN EYESORE.

10:00:19 AND THE JUNKYARDS THEY HAVE AROUND EVERYBODY'S HOME IN SOUTH

10:00:23 TAMPA THEY ARE CALLING APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

10:00:26 BUT THEY ARE OFFENDED BY A SHIRT THAT I WEAR.

10:00:28 AND THEY WANT TO PUT THE POLICE ON ME TO ARREST ME, BUT THEY

10:00:33 GOT A JUNKYARD RUNNING DOWN THROUGH GANDY BOULEVARD.





10:00:37 EVERY TIME IT RAIN, THEY HAVE A CESS PIT, A CESSPOOL UP AT

10:00:43 HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY.

10:00:44 THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT FOR 50 YEARS, THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT

10:00:49 THE WATER LEAKAGE OR THE WATER DRAINAGE ON HENDERSON AND

10:00:54 DALE MABRY.

10:00:55 MAN, YOU ALL OFFEND AFRICAN PEOPLE.

10:00:58 YOU ALL OFFEND BLACK PEOPLE.

10:01:00 YOU ALL OFFEND US IN THE WORST WAY, SAME WAY THEY OFFENDED

10:01:03 US IN ROSEWOOD, FLORIDA, TULSA, OKLAHOMA, AND OTHER PLACES.

10:01:07 IT'S OFFENSIVE.

10:01:10 IT'S HIGHLY OFFENSIVE, AND THE WAY THEY SKIPPED MY TURN THIS

10:01:14 MORNING, THAT WAS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE.

10:01:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. MENTESNOT.

10:01:20 THANK YOU, SIR.

10:01:21 THAT'S IT FOR IN PERSON.

10:01:27 ALL RIGHT.

10:01:27 THANK YOU, SIR.

10:01:34 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.

10:01:36 MICHAEL RANDOLPH REGISTERED TO SPEAK, HOWEVER HE DID NOT

10:01:39 PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE.

10:01:40 TRAE WEINGARDT PARTICIPATED IN CHAMBERS WITH YOU ALL THIS

10:01:45 MORNING.

10:01:45 SO THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE BARBARA BABBITT.

10:01:49 BARBARA, IF YOU'RE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, AND

10:01:52 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.





10:01:53 BARBARA, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

10:02:09 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:02:10 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:02:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, WE CAN.

10:02:13 >> I'M BARBARA BABBITT, AND MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOME

10:02:17 AT 4604 WEST BEACH PARK DRIVE OVER 23 YEARS AGO.

10:02:21 AND AT THAT TIME, WE RELIED ON EXISTING EASEMENT BEHIND OUR

10:02:26 PROPERTY AND BUFFER FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

10:02:29 IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THE ABANDONED ALLEYWAY WHICH

10:02:32 INCLUDES THE EASEMENT KNOWN AS LOT E ON THE PAPERWORK WAS A

10:02:35 NONBUILDABLE LOT WITH NO STREET ACCESS.

10:02:38 BEFORE THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY BY MR. MARTIN, LOT E WAS

10:02:41 HOME FOR A VERY LONG TIME TO MANY, MANY MATURE TREES.

10:02:44 I HAD THE PLEASURE -- I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WATCHING BEACH

10:02:49 PARK NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY DAY.

10:02:50 WE HAVE A WEALTH OF NEW HOMES JOIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DURING

10:02:53 THE 23 YEARS WE'VE LIVED HERE.

10:02:56 ALL OF THESE NEW HOMES HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT AND RESPECTFUL

10:02:59 OF KEEPING WITH THE BEAUTY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:03:01 I WATCHED FROM MY BACKYARD ALL OF THESE TREES WERE CHOPPED

10:03:04 DOWN AND CARRIED AWAY, INCLUDING ONES ON THE EASEMENT.

10:03:08 MADE ME FILL ILL.

10:03:10 THE REMOVAL OF ALL THE TREES WAS A DEVASTATING LOSS TO OUR

10:03:14 HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:03:14 THE RELEASE OF THIS EASEMENT WOULD CAUSE NOT ONLY COMPLETE





10:03:19 LOSS OF OUR PRIVACY IN OUR BACKYARD AS THE TWO-STORY

10:03:22 SECONDARY STRUCTURE IS SEVEN FEET FROM OUR WROUGHT IRON

10:03:25 FENCE BUT IT WILL ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF OUR

10:03:27 PROPERTY VALUE.

10:03:28 RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TWO-STORY HOME, SEVEN FEET FROM THE

10:03:32 PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES.

10:03:33 THE RELEASE OF THIS EASEMENT WILL MAKE ALL SIDES OF OUR

10:03:36 PROPERTY SEVEN FEET FROM TWO-STORY STRUCTURES, ESSENTIALLY

10:03:39 BOXING US IN ON ALL THREE SIDES.

10:03:42 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CONSTRUCTION ON 505

10:03:47 ROYAL PALM HAS ALREADY BEGUN ON TOP OF THE EASEMENT, EVEN

10:03:50 THOUGH THE EASEMENT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED.

10:03:52 THE BUILDING IS ALREADY ABOUT FOUR FOOT OUT OF GROUND.

10:03:56 APPLICATION FOR THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT WAS FILED ONLY AFTER

10:03:59 WE -- CONSTRUCTION ON THE EASEMENT.

10:04:02 I GUESS MR. MARTIN IS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS INSTEAD OF

10:04:06 PERMISSION.

10:04:07 IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE STARTING OF CONSTRUCTION ON

10:04:10 AN EASEMENT BEFORE APPLYING HAVE EASEMENT RELEASED IS

10:04:13 LAWFUL.

10:04:14 AGAIN, WE RELIED ON THIS EASEMENT IN MAKING THE DECISION TO

10:04:18 PURCHASE OUR HOME YEARS AGO, AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU

10:04:21 DENY THE APPLICATION FOR ITS RELEASE.

10:04:23 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

10:04:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.





10:04:28 >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, THAT'S GOING TO CONCLUDE GENERAL PUBLIC

10:04:30 COMMENTS.

10:04:30 THANK YOU.

10:04:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:04:32 WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.

10:04:35 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM STAFF TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

10:04:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, DID COUNCIL WAS A DISCUSSION

10:04:58 OR PRESENTATION ON THIS, BECAUSE WE COULD MOVE THAT TO THE

10:05:01 1:30 TO HAVE A PRESENTATION.

10:05:03 THIS IS THE ISSUE OF COUNCIL'S INITIATIVE TO AMEND THE CODE

10:05:07 TO ALLOW FOR AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR PARKING

10:05:11 TICKETS.

10:05:11 IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL'S REQUEST.

10:05:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

10:05:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:05:17 THIS IS WHAT I BROUGHT UP REGARDING PARKING ON THE

10:05:20 RIGHT-OF-WAY, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND WHATNOT, ANYTHING FROM

10:05:23 SEMITRUCKS, GENERAL COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT, EQUIPMENT MEANING

10:05:26 LIKE LARGE TRUCKS, VANS THAT PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN THE

10:05:29 NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND IT WOULD ALLOW US TO

10:05:33 ISSUE CITATIONS, PARKING TICKETS TO HOPEFULLY ENFORCE THIS

10:05:38 AND REMEDY THIS BECAUSE I'VE RECEIVED SO MANY COMPLAINTS,

10:05:42 MANY OF US HAVE, FROM SO MANY PARTS OF THE CITY IN REGARDS

10:05:45 TO FOLKS JUST PARKING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES WHEREVER THEY

10:05:50 WANT.





10:05:50 I HAD MADE THIS MOTION THAT IT COME BACK FOR FIRST READING,

10:05:54 WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND THAT WOULD BE IT.

10:05:57 SO WE WOULD ALLOW OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THE

10:06:01 AUTHORITY TO TICKET AND CITE THESE INDIVIDUALS AND ENCOURAGE

10:06:05 AND MOTIVATE THEM TO STOP PARKING ALL OVER THE

10:06:08 NEIGHBORHOODS.

10:06:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:06:10 I SEE MS. ZELMAN UP AND SOMEONE ELSE FROM LEGAL ON THE

10:06:13 SCREEN.

10:06:13 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT PATRICK PEREZ

10:06:16 IS AVAILABLE.

10:06:17 HE HAD PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED A REPORT TO YOU AND THE DIRECTION

10:06:20 WAS FOR HIM TO GO AHEAD AND PREPARE THIS ORDINANCE FOR FIRST

10:06:24 READING.

10:06:24 BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, HE IS AVAILABLE TO

10:06:29 ANSWER THEM.

10:06:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

10:06:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

10:06:36 I WANT TO AGREE WITH MR. MANISCALCO.

10:06:38 THIS IS NOT IN SOME AREAS, IT'S MUCH MORE EVIDENT THAT THESE

10:06:43 THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

10:06:46 IN THE AREAS THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN, IF IT CONTINUES THAT

10:06:48 WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL

10:06:51 DETERIORATE AND WILL NOT KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF THE

10:06:55 NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.





10:06:56 FOR EQUALITY, I WANT TO THANK MR. MANISCALCO FOR WORKING

10:06:58 DILIGENTLY ON THIS AND GET THIS DONE AND OVER.

10:07:04 I HOPE IT'S NOT ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT OTHERS THAT

10:07:08 ARE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO VEER IN AND EXPLAIN IT TO THE CHIEF

10:07:11 OF STAFF THROUGH THE DIRECTION THAT HE GAVE US TO GET THESE

10:07:17 THINGS DONE.

10:07:18 CALL THEM IN SO THEY CAN SEND SOMEBODY TO VIEW.

10:07:21 YOU'VE GOT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BEFORE THEY START GIVING

10:07:24 OUT TICKETS.

10:07:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:07:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO.

10:07:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE

10:07:33 ATTENTION.

10:07:34 THIS IS SOMETHING I HATE TO SAY IS LONG OVERDUE.

10:07:37 THE CITY IS LACKING IN SIDEWALKS.

10:07:39 IF WE HAVE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF VEHICLES

10:07:42 THAT ARE PARKED ALONG OUR SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW, IT JUST

10:07:45 FORCES PEOPLE TO WALK INTO THE STREETS.

10:07:47 AGAIN, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

10:07:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?

10:07:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE MORE BITE AT THE APPLE, SIR.

10:07:53 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:07:54 THIS IS NOT ONLY ON SIDEWALKS, AS MR. CITRO SAID, WHICH IT

10:07:58 IS, THIS IS ALSO ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE YOU PARK NOT ONLY

10:08:01 THE TRACTOR, BUT THE TRACTOR AND THE TRAILER RIGHT HERE AND





10:08:04 LEAVE IT THERE FROM FRIDAY TO SATURDAY, SUNDAY, SOMETIMES

10:08:07 THREE, FOUR, FIVE DAYS.

10:08:10 YOU CAN'T SEE BEHIND THE BIG VEHICLES.

10:08:12 SOMEBODY WILL GET HURT.

10:08:15 OR SOMEBODY WILL GET KILLED.

10:08:17 PUBLIC SERVICE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND, AS SMALL AS IT IS,

10:08:21 SOMETHING BETWEEN LIFE AND THE ULTIMATE OF NOT HAVING LIFE.

10:08:26 IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN NEEDED A LONG TIME.

10:08:28 WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SCARE ANYBODY OUT OF THE CITY.

10:08:30 WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT THE SAME HOLISTIC QUALITY OF LIFE

10:08:34 ALL OVER THE CITY.

10:08:36 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:08:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SEE LEGAL ON THE SCREEN.

10:08:40 ANYTHING TO SAY, SIR?

10:08:42 >> PATRICK PEREZ, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

10:08:45 NO, SIR.

10:08:45 I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN HELP ANSWER.

10:08:48 AS COUNCILMAN SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE BROUGHT BACK AFTER

10:08:51 COUNCIL'S MOTION.

10:08:52 THANK YOU.

10:08:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:08:54 FOR THE RECORD, MR. VIERA IS HERE.

10:08:57 I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 3.

10:09:01 MR. MANISCALCO HAS MADE A MOTION.

10:09:03 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.





10:09:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, I HAVE TO READ THE ORDINANCE.

10:09:08 FIRST, MR. PEREZ, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON

10:09:11 THIS.

10:09:11 I APPRECIATE YOU BEING SO RESPONSIVE ANSWERING ALL QUESTIONS

10:09:15 AND BRINGING THIS TO FRUITION.

10:09:16 THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, SIR.

10:09:18 I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING

10:09:20 CONSIDERATION.

10:09:21 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO THE

10:09:25 AUTHORITY TO ISSUE PARKING CITATIONS; MAKING REVISIONS TO

10:09:29 CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 15, PARKING;

10:09:32 AMENDING ARTICLE 1, ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS; DIVISION 1,

10:09:37 GENERAL PROVISIONS, ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY, DEFINITIONS,

10:09:40 SECTION 15-4.5, AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR PARKING

10:09:42 TICKETS; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN

10:09:44 CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN

10:09:47 EFFECTIVE DATE.

10:09:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MADE THE MOTION AND

10:09:51 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

10:09:54 ROLL CALL.

10:09:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:09:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:10:00 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

10:10:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:10:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.





10:10:03 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:10:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:10:06 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:10:08 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JULY 15, 2021 AT

10:10:12 9:30 A.M.

10:10:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

10:10:15 PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE CONSENT AGENDA, 4 THROUGH 7.

10:10:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:10:21 I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 7.

10:10:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

10:10:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED ITEMS 4 THROUGH 7.

10:10:29 MIRANDA SECONDED.

10:10:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:10:31 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:10:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:10:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:10:35 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

10:10:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:10:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:10:39 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:10:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PARKS AND RECS, ITEMS 8 AND 9.

10:10:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE ITEMS 8 THROUGH 9.

10:10:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

10:10:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.

10:10:52 SECONDED MR. MIRANDA.





10:10:54 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:10:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:10:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:10:58 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

10:10:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:10:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:11:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:11:02 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:11:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE, ITEMS 10 THROUGH

10:11:07 23, MR. DINGFELDER.

10:11:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:11:10 BEFORE I MOVE MY ITEMS, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO

10:11:15 OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WHO I ON OCCASION LIKE TO POKE AND

10:11:19 JAB AT, BUT ON THIS OCCASION, IN REGARD TO ITEMS 13 AND ITEM

10:11:23 21, THESE ARE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CHEMICAL PURCHASES.

10:11:28 IN LOOKING AT THE BID SHEETS, THE CITY AND ESPECIALLY THE

10:11:33 PURCHASING DEPARTMENT DID AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THESE BIDS.

10:11:37 SAVED THE CITY TAXPAYERS AND RATEPAYERS HUNDREDS AND

10:11:41 HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

10:11:43 PUTTING THESE OUT TO BID, AND IT WAS A VERY COMPETITIVE

10:11:48 BIDDING ATMOSPHERE.

10:11:50 I WANTED TO COMMEND THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, MR. SPEARMAN

10:11:53 AND HIS TEAM, ITEMS 13 THROUGH 21.

10:11:56 WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL GLADLY MOVE ITEMS 10 THROUGH

10:12:06 23.





10:12:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVED.

10:12:09 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED.

10:12:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:12:12 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

10:12:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:12:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:12:19 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:12:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:12:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:12:22 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:12:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FINANCE COMMITTEE ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26.

10:12:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26.

10:12:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

10:12:34 ROLL CALL VOTE.

10:12:38 >>THE CLERK: DINGFELDER.

10:12:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:12:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:12:47 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

10:12:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:12:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:12:51 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:12:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:12:54 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:12:55 WE'LL GO TO BUILDING AND ZONING, ITEMS 27 THROUGH 39.

10:13:01 28 HAS A SUBSTITUTE.





10:13:03 NUMBER 30 ALREADY VOTED ON AND WILL BE CONTINUED TO JULY 15.

10:13:07 MR. CARLSON.

10:13:10 >>BILL CARLSON: I NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM ITEM 38.

10:13:15 I HAVE A FORM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FILE IF I COULD TO MAKE A

10:13:18 MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE JUST FOR THE PUBLIC DISCLOSURE,

10:13:21 THE COMPANY WITH WHOM I AM RETAINED IS A TENANT OF THE

10:13:25 PROPERTY WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS RESOLUTION.

10:13:27 I'D LIKE TO FILE THIS FORM, IF POSSIBLE.

10:13:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU CAN MOVE ALL THE ITEMS EXPECT 38.

10:13:33 >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATELY MAKE A

10:13:37 COMMENT.

10:13:37 I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 28.

10:13:44 I'M SURE YOU ALL DO RESEARCH ON THESE ITEMS AS WE'RE LOOKING

10:13:47 AT THEM.

10:13:48 AS I READ THE ORIGINALLY VERSION, YOU SAW WE GOT AN AMENDED

10:13:52 VERSION YESTERDAY, IT APPEARED AS IF THE MONEY WAS GOING TO

10:13:59 -- IT WAS NOT CLEAR WHERE THE MONEY WAS GOING ON THIS.

10:14:01 I DID TALK TO STAFF AND CLARIFIED THAT IT IS GOING TO REACH

10:14:06 INSTEAD OF ONE TAMPA.

10:14:07 BUT IN THAT, I FOUND OUT THAT ONE TAMPA A YEAR AGO WAS A

10:14:10 PROGRAM OF THE CITY.

10:14:12 NOW IT'S BEEN -- I LOOKED ON SUN BIZ, IT'S BEEN SET UP AS A

10:14:16 NONPROFIT.

10:14:17 THERE'S NOT MUCH INFORMATION ON IT YET BECAUSE IT'S IN THE

10:14:20 PROCESS OF BEING SET UP AND SET UP WITH SEPARATE BANK





10:14:22 ACCOUNTS.

10:14:23 BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE

10:14:26 CITY OWNING AND CONTROLLING NONPROFITS.

10:14:28 I THINK THAT IF THE CITY IS GOING TO PARTNER WITH A

10:14:30 NONPROFIT, IT SHOULD BE A NONPROFIT THAT IS KNOWN BY THE

10:14:33 PUBLIC AND HAS TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE

10:14:37 PUBLIC.

10:14:37 YOU ALL KNOW I'VE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE EDC WHICH DOES NOT

10:14:41 PROVIDE FULL TRANSPARENCY, ALTHOUGH IT'S A KNOWN NONPROFIT.

10:14:45 IF THEY ARE NONPROFITS -- SOUNDS LIKE SEVERAL NONPROFITS

10:14:49 OWNED BY THE CITY, I THINK WE NEED TO PROVIDE FULL

10:14:52 TRANSPARENCY ON WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.

10:14:54 IN THIS CASE IT APPEARS IT WILL BE TRANSPARENT BECAUSE IT IS

10:14:57 GOING TO A KNOWN NONPROFIT.

10:15:00 IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD WATCH THIS TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO

10:15:03 THE NONPROFITS ARE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO, HOW THEY ARE

10:15:05 GOING TO ALLOCATE THE MONEY, WHO THEY NEED TO DISCLOSE WHO

10:15:09 THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE AND HOW THOSE ARE MADE, ADMINISTRATIVE

10:15:13 FEES ARE AND IF IT IS A NONPROFIT OWNED BY THE CITY I THINK

10:15:15 WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY.

10:15:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SOMETHING TO BRING UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS,

10:15:19 SIR.

10:15:20 >>BILL CARLSON: WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS

10:15:23 27, 28, 29, AND THEN 31 THROUGH 37, AND THEN 39.

10:15:33 >>THE CLERK: SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION FOR --





10:15:36 >>BILL CARLSON: SUBSTITUTE ON 28.

10:15:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK BY STRANGE COINCIDENCE I POKED

10:15:45 DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE AS WELL THIS WEEK AND SPOKE WITH MR.

10:15:49 MASSEY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE -- BECAUSE I SAW THAT HE HAD

10:15:53 BEEN THE ATTORNEY WHO CREATED THE ONE TAMPA NONPROFIT, AND

10:15:59 SAW WHO SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE THAT WERE LISTED ON

10:16:02 THE STATE'S WEBSITE.

10:16:04 SO ANYWAY, WE HAD A LITTLE CHAT ABOUT IT.

10:16:07 THERE HE IS ON OUR SCREEN IN CASE HE WANTS TO GIVE US A

10:16:11 LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE VOTE.

10:16:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MASSEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

10:16:16 >>MORRIS MASSEY: YES, SIR.

10:16:19 POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ONE TAMPA INC. IS NOT INVOLVED WITH

10:16:21 ANY OF THE ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA.

10:16:23 ONE TAMPA INC. IS NOT REALLY THE PROGRAM THAT WE INSTITUTED

10:16:28 BACK IN APRIL OF 2020 WHEN COVID FIRST HIT.

10:16:31 THE NAMES ARE THE SAME, BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.

10:16:36 ONE TAMPA INC. WAS FORMED BY THE CITY.

10:16:40 IT'S PRIMARILY AN ENTITY TO PROVIDE -- TO SEEK PRIVATE FUNDS

10:16:45 TO ASSIST US IN OUR VARIOUS STRATEGIC EFFORTS.

10:16:50 SINCE IT RELATES TO THE CITY, ALL THE MEETINGS ARE IN THE

10:16:53 SUNSHINE.

10:16:54 THERE'S NOTICE TAKEN.

10:16:55 YOU ALL CAN ATTEND THEM.

10:16:57 WE HAVE MINUTES THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU.





10:17:00 MR. CARLSON IS CORRECT.

10:17:03 WE ARE STILL IN KIND OF THE ORGANIZATION STAGE OF THAT, BUT

10:17:07 THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF ONE TAMPA INC.

10:17:10 I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

10:17:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. MASSEY

10:17:19 STATES ON THE RECORD THAT THIS IS NOT FOR ANY NONPROFIT

10:17:23 THING OF ANY POLITICAL -- NO POLITICAL ENTITY.

10:17:26 JUST TO HELP SOMEBODY WHO IS IN NEED, IF I RECALL.

10:17:30 >>MORRIS MASSEY: CORRECT.

10:17:30 ONE TAMPA PROGRAM WAS SET UP TO HELP FOLKS AFFECTED BY

10:17:34 COVID.

10:17:34 ONE TAMPA INC. CANNOT BE POLITICALLY INVOLVED AT ALL.

10:17:37 IT'S JUST A FUND-RAISING -- PRIMARILY FUND-RAISING TO ASSIST

10:17:42 IN CHARITABLE EFFORTS AND COMMUNITY EFFORTS BY THE CITY.

10:17:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN FACT, I CONTRIBUTED TO ONE TAMPA BACK

10:17:49 IN APRIL OF 2020.

10:17:52 I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG, I NEVER WOULD HAVE MADE

10:17:55 A CONTRIBUTION TO THAT 501(C)(3) I GUESS.

10:18:00 THAT ORGANIZATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVE ALL THE

10:18:05 RECORDS FROM DAY ONE TO NOW?

10:18:10 >>MORRIS MASSEY: WELL, AGAIN, THE PROGRAM WAS SET UP BEFORE

10:18:12 THE CORPORATION WAS SET UP.

10:18:14 THE CITY PROGRAM, BUT, YES, FROM THE DATE OF INCORPORATION

10:18:19 ON, ALL THE RECORDS ARE PUBLIC RECORDS AND OPEN TO EVERYONE

10:18:22 FOR INSPECTION.





10:18:24 HAPPY TO PROVIDE ALL THAT INFORMATION TO ALL OF YOU.

10:18:26 IT'S TOTALLY BEING OFFERED, SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORDS AND

10:18:30 SUNSHINE.

10:18:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE OTHER 501(C)(3)s, DO THEY ADHERE TO

10:18:35 THE SAME RULES?

10:18:35 OPEN RECORDS, RECORDS OF EVERYTHING AS FAR AS TRANSPARENCY.

10:18:39 >>MORRIS MASSEY: NOT EVERY 501(C)(3) IS SUBJECT TO PUBLIC

10:18:43 RECORDS AND SUNSHINE LAWS.

10:18:45 BECAUSE THIS IS RELATED TO THE CITY, WE ARE TAKING THE ADDED

10:18:48 STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS OPEN AND SUBJECT TO PUBLIC

10:18:52 RECORDS LAWS AND SUNSHINE.

10:18:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:18:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON HAS MOVED --

10:19:01 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE FOLLOW-UP.

10:19:02 EVEN IN THAT CONVERSATION, THE CONFUSION IS THE SAME NAME

10:19:05 HAS BEEN USED WITH A PROGRAM OF THE CITY THAT PROBABLY THE

10:19:08 CHECK YOU WROTE WENT TO THE CITY AND NOT THE NONPROFIT.

10:19:11 THE NONPROFIT IS NEW.

10:19:13 IT TURNS OUT ONE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS SENT US AN E-MAIL ABOUT

10:19:17 THIS ALSO.

10:19:18 WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE

10:19:21 PUBLIC THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO AND

10:19:25 NOT IMPLYING THAT ANYTHING WRONG HAS HAPPENED.

10:19:27 WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FULLY COMMUNICATE WITH THE

10:19:30 PUBLIC WHO IT IS, AND I WAS CONFUSED BY THE FACT THAT THERE





10:19:34 ARE TWO ENTITIES OR TWO PROGRAMS THAT HAVE THE SAME NAME.

10:19:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APOLOGIZE.

10:19:39 I NEVER GOT THE E-MAIL.

10:19:41 IF I DID GET IT, I DIDN'T READ IT.

10:19:43 I APOLOGIZE.

10:19:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAKE A MOTION, THEY CAN HAVE A REPORT AND

10:19:46 GIVE US SOME INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE.

10:19:48 WE HAVE ITEMS 27 -- WITH THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, ARE YOU

10:19:59 MOVING THAT SIR?

10:20:00 MR. CARLSON MOVES IT.

10:20:02 MR. MIRANDA SECONDS IT.

10:20:04 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

10:20:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:20:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:20:09 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:20:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:20:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:20:12 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

10:20:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:20:15 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:20:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON WILL STEP OUT A SECOND.

10:20:22 THE ALTERNATE WAS MR. VIERA.

10:20:23 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.

10:20:25 I HEREBY MOVE THE ITEM THAT -- WHAT ITEM WAS THAT?

10:20:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 38, SIR.





10:20:31 >>LUIS VIERA: 30.

10:20:33 I MOVE THAT ITEM.

10:20:34 38.

10:20:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

10:20:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA HAS MOVED ITEM 38.

10:20:39 MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED IT.

10:20:41 ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE ITEM?

10:20:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:20:45 >> CARLSON ABSTAINS.

10:20:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:20:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:20:48 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:20:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:20:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:20:51 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.

10:20:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

10:20:59 MR. VIERA, TRANSPORTATION, ITEMS 40 THROUGH 41.

10:21:04 >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE ITEMS 40 AND 41.

10:21:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA MOVED IT.

10:21:07 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.

10:21:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:21:12 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:21:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:21:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:21:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.





10:21:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:21:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:21:20 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:21:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 42.

10:21:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO SET PUBLIC HEARING FOR 42

10:21:33 THROUGH 47.

10:21:35 >> [INAUDIBLE]

10:21:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE] 42 --

10:21:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 43, 44, 45, 46 AND 47, I BELIEVE, SIR,

10:21:46 ARE ALL FOR AUGUST THE 26th AT 9:30 A.M.

10:21:50 I MOVE THOSE, SIR.

10:21:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED THOSE.

10:21:53 MR. MANISCALCO HAS SECONDED, I BELIEVE.

10:21:55 ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT.

10:22:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS 42 PART OF THE MOTION TO SET?

10:22:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT IS.

10:22:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 42 THROUGH 47.

10:22:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:22:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CLARIFICATION ON 42, DIFFERENT DATE, JULY

10:22:13 29 AT 10:30 A.M.

10:22:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU WOULD BE CORRECT, SIR.

10:22:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE PASSED 42 BY ITSELF EARLIER.

10:22:23 YES, SIR.

10:22:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

10:22:28 WE HAVE A SECOND.





10:22:30 ROLL CALL VOTE, MR. SHELBY.

10:22:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, PLEASE.

10:22:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

10:22:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:22:35 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

10:22:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:22:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:22:39 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

10:22:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:22:42 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:22:43 WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET SOMEBODY TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC

10:22:47 HEARINGS.

10:22:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:22:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

10:22:52 MR. CITRO HAS SECONDED.

10:22:53 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:22:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEMS 51 THROUGH 55, I BELIEVE --

10:23:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE SEEN AND WATCHED THE VIDEOS OF ITEMS

10:23:12 51 THROUGH 55.

10:23:14 I WAS ABSENT AT FIRST READING, AND I HAVE SEEN ALL THE

10:23:17 DOCUMENTATION.

10:23:17 THANK YOU.

10:23:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:23:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU HAVE THE 9:00

10:23:23 PUBLIC HEARINGS, 48 AND 49.





10:23:25 ARE THOSE OPEN?

10:23:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: EVERYTHING IS OPEN NOW.

10:23:29 GOING ON 10:30.

10:23:33 >>THE CLERK: MINUS 56 BECAUSE IT IS NOT 10:30 YET.

10:23:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS IT THE COUNCIL'S INTENT TO GO IN ORDER

10:23:42 AND TAKE 48 AND 49 FIRST THEN?

10:23:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:23:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

10:23:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 48.

10:23:51 >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, JAN

10:23:54 McLEAN, OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

10:23:56 I'M HERE ON ITEM 48, THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR

10:23:59 THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION OF A BROWNFIELD FOR THE

10:24:02 REHABILITATION PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 376 OF FLORIDA STATUTES.

10:24:07 THIS PROPOSED BROWNFIELD IS A DESIGNATION OF A PROPERTY THAT

10:24:10 IS LOCATED AT 7210 INTERBAY BOULEVARD.

10:24:15 APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BY THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, HAS

10:24:19 BEEN REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF AND HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO MEET

10:24:23 ALL OF THE CRITERIA PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE.

10:24:26 THE DETAILS OF THE DESIGNATION HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN THE

10:24:29 STAFF REPORT THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE SIRE PACKAGE TO YOU

10:24:32 FOR YOUR REVIEW.

10:24:34 AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL

10:24:36 BE THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE COUNCIL WILL ADOPT A

10:24:41 RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS A





10:24:45 BROWNFIELD.

10:24:46 SO THIS PARTICULAR HEARING WOULD BE FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT

10:24:51 THAT ANYONE HERE TO MAKE COMMENT OR QUESTIONS THAT I COULD

10:24:57 ANSWER.

10:24:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

10:25:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. McLEAN, JUST TO LET THE RECORD SHOW,

10:25:06 THIS IS JUST FOR DESIGNATION OF BROWNFIELD.

10:25:08 IT HAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AT ALL.

10:25:11 >>JAN McLEAN: CORRECT.

10:25:13 JUST THE DESIGNATION OF THE BROWNFIELD.

10:25:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR

10:25:18 NOT JUST FOR OURSELVES BUT THE PUBLIC.

10:25:20 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:25:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SOME SPEAKERS READY TO SPEAK?

10:25:28 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE IS REGISTERED TO SPEAK OUTSIDE OF THE

10:25:30 APPLICANTS.

10:25:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

10:25:34 MS. McLEAN, ARE YOU DONE?

10:25:36 >>JAN McLEAN: THAT'S ALL THE ACTION REQUIRED OF COUNCIL

10:25:38 TODAY.

10:25:39 THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL

10:25:42 OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK OR ANY QUESTIONS OR

10:25:45 ANSWERS TO BE HAD, AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE CITY

10:25:48 COUNCIL WOULD ADOPT THE RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY

10:25:52 AS A BROWNFIELD.





10:25:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

10:25:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.

10:25:55 THANK YOU.

10:25:56 JUST TO CONFIRM WHETHER THERE IS NO ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR

10:25:59 IN PERSON HERE TO SPEAK.

10:26:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS FROM THE LIST I

10:26:05 HAVE.

10:26:05 >>THE CLERK: THEY ARE THE APPLICANTS.

10:26:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THIS ITEM?

10:26:11 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

10:26:25 >>JAN McLEAN: THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE ONLY TO ANSWER ANY

10:26:30 QUESTIONS.

10:26:30 AS MR. CITRO HAD ASKED ME, THIS IS ONLY FOR THE DESIGNATION

10:26:34 OF THE BROWNFIELD.

10:26:35 WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GET OUT OF THE CONTEXT OF THAT.

10:26:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON 48.

10:26:41 >>JAN McLEAN: THERE'S NO MOTION.

10:26:43 THERE'S NO ACTION NEEDED TODAY.

10:26:45 IT WAS JUST THE PUBLIC HEARING.

10:26:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO CLOSE THEN PLEASE.

10:26:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED TO CLOSE.

10:26:53 SECOND?

10:26:54 SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.

10:26:55 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:26:56 ANY OPPOSED?





10:27:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING JUNE 24, 2021,

10:27:05 6 P.M. FOR ANYONE LISTENING.

10:27:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 49.

10:27:13 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

10:27:14 THIS IS DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.

10:27:18 THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.

10:27:20 ON THE NEXT FIVE-YEAR COMPONENT OF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT

10:27:23 TAX.

10:27:25 MA'AM, IF I COULD ASK YOU TO SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.

10:27:29 ARE YOU SEEING IT ADEQUATELY?

10:27:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

10:27:48 >>DENNIS ROGERO: OUTSTANDING.

10:27:49 OUTSTANDING.

10:27:50 THANK YOU.

10:27:50 COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE THE SIXTH AND FINAL

10:27:54 FIVE-YEAR SEGMENT OF THE 30-YEAR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX OR

10:27:57 AS WE AFFECTIONATELY CALL IT, THE CIT.

10:28:00 WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND DISCUSSING

10:28:03 HOW WE PLAN FOR ITS EXPIRATION.

10:28:06 OF COURSE, AS WE DISCUSSED, THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT

10:28:09 ANOTHER CIT WILL FOLLOW THIS ONE.

10:28:11 I BELIEVE YOU HEARD COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SPEAK TO THAT

10:28:15 POSSIBILITY LAST WEEK, BUT IT'S ONLY SENSIBLE FROM OUR

10:28:18 PERSPECTIVE AT THIS TIME TO PLAN FOR NOT HAVING THAT FUNDING

10:28:22 IN FISCAL YEAR 2026.





10:28:25 FIRST, A QUICK REFRESH ON THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS AND HOW WE

10:28:32 GOT HERE.

10:28:33 AS YOU REMEMBER, IT IS A COUNTYWIDE HALF-CENT SALES TAX VIA

10:28:37 ORDINANCE IN THE SUMMER OF 1996 THAT INCLUDES THE COUNTY,

10:28:40 THE CITIES, AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.

10:28:45 IT SUCCESSFULLY WENT TO REFERENDUM IN THE FALL OF 1996.

10:28:52 PARDON ME.

10:28:53 AND HENCE 30 YEARS LATER JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FISCAL

10:28:59 YEAR 2026.

10:29:00 I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME AUTHORIZED USES YOU SEE HERE, GENERALLY,

10:29:06 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, FACILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC

10:29:09 SAFETY VEHICLES, AND DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECTS.

10:29:14 AS OF SEPTEMBER 2020, WE SPENT NEARLY ONE HALF A BILLION

10:29:19 DOLLARS.

10:29:20 IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE AN IMPORTANT REVENUE

10:29:23 SOURCE FOR US.

10:29:24 HERE IS OUR COLLECTION HISTORY.

10:29:29 YOU SEE IT STARTED OUT RATHER MODEST, ABOUT FIVE MILLION

10:29:34 DOLLARS.

10:29:34 AND OVERALL HAS CONTINUED TO INCREASE.

10:29:38 OF COURSE, THE GREAT RECESSION INTERRUPTED WHAT WAS QUITE A

10:29:43 RUN, AS DID THE PANDEMIC.

10:29:44 YOU CAN SEE WE WERE ON TRACK FOR QUITE A NICE INCREASE

10:29:47 THERE.

10:29:48 WE'LL SEE IF WE GET BACK TO IT.





10:29:50 BUT IT HAS COME FROM $5 MILLION ANNUALLY TO OVER $20 MILLION

10:29:54 ANNUALLY.

10:29:55 SO WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TRANSITIONING FROM THIS REVENUE

10:30:03 SOURCE.

10:30:03 DURING THE LAST FIVE-YEAR COMPONENT, THE OVERWHELMING

10:30:06 MAJORITY OF FUNDING THAT ISN'T OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR DEBT

10:30:11 SERVICE HAS BEEN USED TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU SEE HERE, PUBLIC

10:30:14 SAFETY VEHICLES, NEARLY $30 MILLION, AND PARKS AND

10:30:18 RECREATION PROJECTS, REPAIRS AND RENOVATIONS, NEARLY $9

10:30:22 MILLION.

10:30:23 LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, IT'S PRUDENT TO START THINKING HOW

10:30:26 WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE LOSS OF THIS REVENUE WHEN WE

10:30:29 STILL HAVE THESE NEEDS AND THE NEEDS ARE ONLY INCREASING.

10:30:33 SO TO THAT END, OUR NEXT SLIDES DETAIL OUR RECOMMENDED PLAN.

10:30:38 FIRST UP, OUR VEHICLES.

10:30:45 YOU SEE HERE AND AS I'VE SHARED WITH YOU, WE RECENTLY WENT

10:30:51 OUT TO AN EXTERNAL THIRD-PARTY PROFESSIONAL, AND THEY'VE

10:30:55 RECOMMENDED THAT WE INVEST $11 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR GENERAL

10:31:00 FUND VEHICLE REPLACEMENT.

10:31:02 WHEN I SAY GENERAL FUND VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, I DON'T

10:31:05 NECESSARILY MEAN SOLELY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

10:31:07 IT'S THOSE VEHICLES THAT CANNOT BE FUNDED, FOR INSTANCE, BY

10:31:10 YOUR UTILITIES, BY SOLID WASTE, BY WATER, WASTEWATER,

10:31:14 ET CETERA.

10:31:16 AND $11 MILLION IS QUITE A SUM, BUT LET ME BE CLEAR, OVER





10:31:20 THE YEARS WE'VE APPROPRIATED A GREAT DEAL OF FUNDING OF

10:31:24 VEHICLES, BUT WE HAVE AND HAVE HAD A GREAT DEAL OF VEHICLE

10:31:28 NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY, SO WE'VE FALLEN BEHIND.

10:31:31 QUITE SIMPLY, WE NEED TO CATCH UP WITH REPLACING VEHICLES

10:31:35 ACROSS THE CITY AND PLAN FOR THE NEW ONES GOING FORWARD.

10:31:39 OUR AGING FLEET CONTINUES TO HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON OUR

10:31:42 MAINTENANCE COSTS AND WORKLOAD.

10:31:44 SO THE MAYORS AND CITY COUNCILS CONTINUING EMPHASIS ON

10:31:53 PUBLIC SAFETY AND OUR NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES, YOU

10:31:58 SEE HERE WE CRAFTED A PLAN TO MAINTAIN THE RECENT CIT

10:32:03 FUNDING OF ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, AND

10:32:09 BEGIN TO RAMP UP THE GENERAL FUND SPENDING.

10:32:16 WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WE RUN OUT OF THAT CAPITAL -- I'M

10:32:22 SORRY, COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX REVENUE, THE SAME TIME, THIS

10:32:25 PLAN WILL ALLOW US TO CATCH UP ON THOSE VEHICLES BACK LOGS.

10:32:31 NEXT UP, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM.

10:32:41 AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE SYSTEM, MANAGING

10:32:44 OVER 3500 ACRES, NEARLY 200 PARKS, AROUND 1600 PROGRAMS.

10:32:50 THE LIST JUST GOES ON.

10:32:52 AND, BY THE WAY, IT'S NATIONALLY -- IT'S BEEN NOMINATED

10:32:56 NATIONALLY FOR A GOLD MEDAL, THREE YEARS IN A ROW.

10:33:00 WE'LL KNOW THIS YEAR BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

10:33:04 WE LOVE OUR PARKS, AND RIGHTLY SO.

10:33:06 SO, AGAIN, GIVEN THE MAYOR'S AND YOUR CONTINUING EMPHASIS

10:33:12 AND PRIORITY ON PARKS AND RECREATION, GOING FORWARD, WE





10:33:15 THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO CONTINUE THE PAST PARKS AND RECREATION

10:33:20 CIT FUNDING LEVEL OF ABOUT $8 MILLION OVER THE FIVE-YEAR

10:33:24 PERIOD, AND SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW WITH THE VEHICLES, START

10:33:30 RAMPING UP THE GENERAL FUND COMMITMENT FOR THAT TIME WHEN WE

10:33:34 DON'T HAVE THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX FUNDING ANY LONGER.

10:33:38 NOW, ON TO THE TOTAL FIVE-YEAR PLAN.

10:33:49 PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, HERE'S WHAT THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

10:33:52 A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE MAIN

10:33:56 ITEM.

10:33:57 YOU SEE, OF COURSE, THE ESTIMATED REVENUES.

10:34:01 LITTLE OVER $20 MILLION A YEAR.

10:34:04 IF WE GET BACK ON TRACK, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WILL KEEP GOING

10:34:07 UP, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS, BUT YOU'VE HEARD ME MENTION DEBT

10:34:11 SERVICE AND BOND PAYMENTS EARLIER, AND YOU SEE HERE IN

10:34:15 YELLOW ABOUT HALF OF THE FUNDING THAT COMES IN EVERY YEAR IS

10:34:18 ALREADY OBLIGATED TO DEBT SERVICE, LEAVING US ABOUT 10

10:34:23 MILLION OR SO DOLLARS ANNUALLY.

10:34:28 HERE YOU SEE THE PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLE COMPONENT WE TALKED

10:34:31 ABOUT.

10:34:33 AND LINE NUMBER THREE, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, I'D LIKE TO

10:34:39 ENTER INTO MORE DETAIL.

10:34:41 THAT'S PRIMARILY PARKS, AS WE DISCUSSED.

10:34:45 LINE 8, LINE 9, REPAIR AND RENOVATION AND, OF COURSE, THE

10:34:50 MASTER PLAN COMING UP.

10:34:51 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT A PLAN TO FUND WHAT WE





10:34:55 ANTICIPATE WILL BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN NEEDS FROM THAT

10:34:58 MASTER PLAN.

10:34:59 YOU WILL RECALL, COUNCIL, THAT WE RECEIVED A BUILD GRANT,

10:35:07 THAT'S $25 MILLION FOR COMPLETION OF THE RIVERWALK ON THE

10:35:11 WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER AND IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ROME AVENUE.

10:35:14 AGAIN, $25 MILLION.

10:35:16 THAT'S GREAT NEWS, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A $5 MILLION MATCH.

10:35:21 SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL ITS FORMER NAME OF TIGER, AND IT

10:35:29 SIGNIFICANTLY FUNDED THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RIVERWALK ON THE

10:35:31 EAST SIDE.

10:35:32 THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT ONLY ON THE OTHER SIDE.

10:35:36 IN SUMMARY, THIS IS EXHIBIT A IN YOUR PACKAGE.

10:35:45 NEARLY $109 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS IN FUNDING THAT

10:35:50 CONCENTRATES OUR PRIORITIES, AGAIN, ON PUBLIC SAFETY

10:35:54 VEHICLES AND PARKS AND RECREATION.

10:35:56 BUT IS FRAMED TO GIVE US FLEXIBILITY AS OUR NEEDS, OUR

10:36:00 PRIORITIES, YOUR PRIORITIES MAY CHANGE OVER THE NEXT FIVE

10:36:05 YEARS.

10:36:05 FINALLY, OF COURSE, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING.

10:36:12 WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPLETED RESOLUTION TO HILLSBOROUGH

10:36:15 COUNTY BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

10:36:18 THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE TIME THIS MORNING AND THE TIME IN

10:36:21 OUR BRIEFINGS, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

10:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, I SAW YOUR HAND FIRST.

10:36:28 YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.





10:36:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:36:30 THANK YOU, DENNIS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

10:36:33 ON A LIGHTER NOTE, I'M GLAD THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO USE THAT

10:36:37 GREEN PEN INSTEAD OF A RED PEN.

10:36:41 I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL IN REGARD TO THIS ITEM.

10:36:51 THE YOUNG LADY SORT OF ACCUSED THE CITY AND ACCUSED COUNCIL

10:36:56 OF NOT BEING ABLE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS, WHICH I THOUGHT

10:36:59 WAS A LITTLE HARSH BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY 25 YEARS AGO, AND

10:37:05 WE ALL REMEMBER IT.

10:37:08 MR. MIRANDA REMEMBERS IT VERY WELL.

10:37:10 PASSED THIS HALF-CENT SALES TAX.

10:37:13 WE IMPOSED IT ON OURSELVES AS A COMMUNITY BECAUSE AS A

10:37:16 COMMUNITY WE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO FUND

10:37:20 THESE PROJECTS.

10:37:21 AND OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, GOING ON 30 YEARS, I THINK THE

10:37:28 CITY HAS USED THE MONEY FAIRLY WISELY FOR PARKS AND REC, FOR

10:37:35 BUYING POLICE CARS, FOR BUYING FIRE ENGINES, ET CETERA, TO

10:37:40 THE TUNE -- AND THEN I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE

10:37:44 DONE FOR THESE BOND ISSUES, BUT PROBABLY RELATED TO SOME

10:37:49 BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

10:37:51 WE KEPT OUR MILLAGE PRETTY MUCH STATIC FOR AS LONG AS I CAN

10:38:00 REMEMBER, EXCEPT FOR I THINK ONE YEAR WHEN IT WAS BUMPED UP

10:38:04 SLIGHTLY, I THINK, PERHAPS IN RESPONSE TO THE RECESSION.

10:38:07 BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE MILLAGE RATE HAS STAYED THE SAME.

10:38:10 AND WHEN YOU DO RUN INTO SHORTFALLS, IT'S WONDERFUL THE





10:38:17 COMMUNITY IMPOSED THIS HALF-CENT SALES TAX ON ITSELF TO HELP

10:38:20 WITH THESE IMPORTANT ISSUES.

10:38:23 SO MY ONLY QUESTION, AND YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY

10:38:27 THE OTHER DAY, DENNIS.

10:38:29 WE'VE ALREADY GOT A BEAUTIFUL RIVERWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE

10:38:31 RIVER AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NICE RIVERWALK ON THE

10:38:34 OTHER SIDE.

10:38:35 HAVE YOU HEARD ANY TALK WITH MS. DUNCAN OR ANY OF THE OTHER

10:38:40 FOLKS IN CONSTRUCTION ABOUT A POSSIBLE BRIDGE TO CONNECT THE

10:38:45 TWO?

10:38:46 IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD DO THAT WITH ANY OF THE TIGER,

10:38:50 SLASH, BUILD MONEY?

10:38:53 >>DENNIS ROGERO: I HAVE READER, OF COURSE, AT VARIOUS TIMES

10:38:55 OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY UPON RECEIPT OF THE TIGER GRANT

10:38:58 AND THE BLOSSOMING, IF YOU WILL, OF THE RIVERWALK ALONG THE

10:39:01 EAST SIDE, I HEARD OF A POTENTIAL BRIDGE CONNECTING THE TWO

10:39:05 SIDES.

10:39:06 I'VE SEEN NOTHING.

10:39:08 I WOULD DEFER TO MS. DUNCAN.

10:39:09 OF COURSE, WE CAN REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL.

10:39:12 I'VE SEEN NOTHING CONCRETE ABOUT THAT EVENTUALITY.

10:39:17 WE TALKED FROM A LOGISTICAL PERSPECTIVE HOW NICE IT WOULD

10:39:19 BE, ESPECIALLY IF THAT SIDE OF THE RIVER GETS AS ACTIVATED

10:39:23 AS THE CURRENT EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER.

10:39:25 NOTHING CONCRETE AS FAR AS I'M AWARE OF, THOUGH.





10:39:28 OF COURSE, SPECIFIC TO THE BUILD GRANT, WE CAN LOOK AND SEE

10:39:33 WHAT SORT OF RESTRICTIONS MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN PLACE

10:39:37 REGARDING.

10:39:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. ROGERO, I THINK I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF

10:39:41 OF COUNCIL, WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND KEEPING US

10:39:44 IN THE GREEN INSTEAD OF THE RED.

10:39:46 THANK YOU.

10:39:46 >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.

10:39:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, MR. VIERA, MR. MANISCALCO,

10:39:50 CITRO AND CARLSON.

10:39:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:39:54 I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

10:39:56 ALONG WITH THE SAME LINES MR. DINGFELDER WAS SPEAKING ON,

10:39:59 SEE, THAT VOTE -- THERE WERE TWO VOTES TAKEN ON THE CIT TAX.

10:40:04 ONE WAS TAKEN IN FEBRUARY OF THAT SAME YEAR, THE LATTER IN

10:40:08 SEPTEMBER OF THAT SAME YEAR.

10:40:10 THERE WAS A VOTE TAKEN BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN FEBRUARY OF

10:40:13 THAT YEAR.

10:40:14 WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS: IT FAILED.

10:40:17 IT DIDN'T FAIL BECAUSE OF THE COMPONENTS.

10:40:19 IT FAILED BECAUSE THERE WAS LITTLE BACKING FROM THOSE THAT

10:40:22 WERE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THE ONE THAT WAS COMING BACK

10:40:25 LATER.

10:40:25 YOU SEE, IN FEBRUARY, NO ONE SPENT ANY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY

10:40:29 OR ANY AT ALL TO PASS THAT SO IT WOULD BE FOR THE SCHOOLS,





10:40:33 THE COUNTY, AND THE CITIES FOR THE PROJECT THAT THEY LISTED.

10:40:37 HOWEVER, IT NEVER CAUGHT FIRE BECAUSE THERE WAS LITTLE

10:40:42 DEBATE AND THERE WAS NOT ADVERTISING ON TV, ON RADIO, ON

10:40:45 NEWSPAPERS, BACK YOUR CITY OR BACK YOUR COUNTY OR BACK YOUR

10:40:49 SCHOOL SYSTEM, SO IT FAILED.

10:40:50 HOWEVER, THOSE THAT WANTED IT PASSED -- PARTICIPATE IN THE

10:40:57 FIRST ONE.

10:40:57 THE SEPTEMBER VOTE OF '96 PASSED IT ON A 51-49 VOTE, AFTER

10:41:03 SPENDING ABOUT $464,000 ON ONE SIDE AND THE PUBLIC SIDE,

10:41:09 MINIMAL TO NOTHING.

10:41:10 NOT A PENNY, MAYBE.

10:41:11 SO IT PASSED 51-49.

10:41:14 THE LION'S SHARE WAS TAKEN AWAY IN SOME INSTANCE.

10:41:20 NOT ONLY WAS IT TAKEN AWAY.

10:41:22 THERE WERE EVENTS PUT IN THE CONTRACT THAT IF SOMETHING

10:41:26 HAPPENED WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT ENTITY, I'M TRYING TO

10:41:30 MAKE IT AS VAGUE AS POSSIBLE SO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE

10:41:34 AT, THAT THE FIRST $2 MILLION OF ANY EVENT ON THAT LAND WENT

10:41:39 TO THE OWNER OF THAT TEAM.

10:41:40 THAT'S REALLY, REALLY NICE.

10:41:43 AND THE SECOND MONIES AFTER THAT FIRST TWO MILLION WILL BE

10:41:49 SPLIT.

10:41:49 WONDERFUL IDEA.

10:41:51 WHAT DID THEY DO FOR THE 2 MILLION AND WHAT DID THEY DO FOR

10:41:55 THE SPLIT?





10:41:56 TELL YOU WHAT THEY DID.

10:41:57 NOTHING.

10:41:58 THEY COLLECTED THE MONEY.

10:42:00 THE SPORTS AUTHORITY IS THE ONE THAT'S ON THE HOOK TO

10:42:02 PUTTING ON THESE EVENTS AT CERTAIN NAMED STADIUM.

10:42:07 THEY KEPT THE FIRST 2 MILLION OF THE MONIES AND THE SPORTS

10:42:10 AUTHORITY WAS ON THE HOOK TO MAKE THE MONEY.

10:42:15 I'M NOT AGAINST.

10:42:16 I'M NOT HERE TO ASK ANYONE TO LEAVE.

10:42:18 NOT HERE TO ASK ANYONE TO STAY, BUT THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF

10:42:22 CITIES.

10:42:22 IN FACT, GOING DOWN INTERNATIONAL.

10:42:25 BOTH.

10:42:25 MOST SPORTS NOW ARE NOT PLAYED IN AMERICA BECAUSE THEY HAVE

10:42:28 SATURATED THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SO MUCH THAT IN ORDER TO GET

10:42:32 MORE REVENUE IN, THEY HAVE TO GO TO MEXICO, SPAIN, ITALY,

10:42:37 BRITAIN, ENGLAND, SOMEWHERE TO GET THE FUNDS TO RAISE THEIR

10:42:41 REVENUES COMING IN.

10:42:42 I THINK THIS CASE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

10:42:46 I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS HAD AN AWARENESS.

10:42:51 WHETHER I'M HERE OR NOT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

10:42:54 I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF US WILL BE HERE OR NOT.

10:42:56 BUT WE HAVE TO GET PREPARED BECAUSE THIS IS JUST AROUND THE

10:42:59 CORNER.

10:43:00 FIVE YEARS MAY SEEM A LONG WAY OUT, BUT IT'S REALLY A SHORT





10:43:04 PERIOD OF TIME WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORY, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE

10:43:07 NEXT FIVE YEARS.

10:43:08 IF THIS CITY, THIS COUNTY, AND THIS SCHOOL SYSTEM WANT

10:43:12 ANYTHING TO GO RIGHT, THEY BETTER START GETTING TOGETHER AND

10:43:15 START MAKING A PLAN.

10:43:17 I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY, BUT I WILL THE NEXT FEW

10:43:19 MONTHS, THAT THOSE THREE ENTITIES, THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE

10:43:22 COUNTY, AND THE CITY START LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN

10:43:24 TO THIS AREA WHEN THIS TAX ENDS AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO

10:43:29 SUPPLEMENT IT.

10:43:30 BECAUSE IF IT ENDS THE WAY IT IS, WHERE IS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM

10:43:34 GOING TO GET THE MONEY?

10:43:34 WHERE IS THE COUNTY GOING TO GET THE MONEY AND WHERE IS THE

10:43:36 CITY GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING

10:43:39 NOW FOR 30 YEARS WITH THAT MONEY?

10:43:41 IT'S GOING THE RIGHT WAY.

10:43:43 I'M NOT HERE TO TAX THE PEOPLE.

10:43:44 THAT'S UP TO THEM.

10:43:45 BUT SOONER OR LATER, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER VOTE TAKEN ON HOW

10:43:49 WE WANT TO FUND THIS AREA.

10:43:52 I'VE HEARD RUMORS AND RUMORS YOU CAN'T RELY ON.

10:43:56 HEARD ONE RUMOR THAT ONE ENTITY WANTS SOMETHING TO COVER

10:43:59 SOMETHING THAT THEY NOW LEASE FOR ALMOST NOTHING FOR THE

10:44:02 NEXT 30 YEARS WITHOUT INCREASE IN RATE.

10:44:05 JUST THINK OF 30 YEARS.





10:44:07 I'LL GO BACK AND DO A LITTLE STUDY ON MY OWN.

10:44:10 WHAT GASOLINE COST 30 YEARS AGO, WHAT A LOAF OF BREAD COST

10:44:13 30 YEARS AGO AND WHERE IS IT AT TODAY.

10:44:16 WHAT AN APARTMENT RENTED FOR 30 YEARS AGO AND WHAT IT RENTS

10:44:19 TODAY.

10:44:19 WHAT AN AUTOMOBILE COST 30 YEARS AGO, WHAT IT COSTS TODAY.

10:44:23 WHAT WAS A TICKET TO RIDE AN AIRPLANE TO GO FROM POINT A TO

10:44:26 POINT B?

10:44:27 WHAT WAS YOUR INSURANCE ON THE CAR 30 YEARS AGO AND WHAT

10:44:30 DOES THE INSURANCE COST TODAY?

10:44:32 WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO REALIZE THAT

10:44:35 WE GAVE IT AWAY.

10:44:37 THAT'S GOT TO STOP, NOT ONLY IN THIS CITY -- AND THE WHOLE

10:44:41 COUNTRY HAS TO STOP.

10:44:42 WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS

10:44:45 WE HAVE TO DO YET WE CAN'T DO IT REALLY THE WAY WE WANT DO

10:44:49 IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, THE CASH, THE DOLLARS TO

10:44:52 DO IT WITH.

10:44:53 I'LL STOP THERE.

10:44:54 I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE A SERMON, ALTHOUGH I STARTED TO GIVE

10:44:58 ONE, I'LL STOP MYSELF.

10:44:59 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:45:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

10:45:01 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:45:03 I WANTED TO SINGLE OUT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA YOU ALWAYS BRING





10:45:06 THIS ISSUE UP, SIR, SEEMS EVERY COUPLE OF MEETINGS.

10:45:09 I THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THAT REGARD, COUNCILMAN

10:45:13 MIRANDA.

10:45:14 THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

10:45:17 THERE ARE WANTS AND THERE ARE NEEDS.

10:45:18 A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT THIS TAX PAYS FOR ARE SOMEWHERE

10:45:24 BETWEEN WANTS AND NEEDS, BUT I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE NEEDS IN

10:45:28 OUR COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

10:45:31 THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS IN WHICH YOU CAN SUPPORT PUBLIC

10:45:35 SAFETY AS A COMMUNITY, AND I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THAT IT

10:45:38 DOESN'T END WITH PUTTING A LAPEL, SOMETHING ON YOUR LAPEL OR

10:45:41 PUTTING A NICE STICKER ON YOUR CAR.

10:45:44 A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE TO DIG INTO YOUR PARKING LOT BECAUSE

10:45:49 FIRST RESPONDERS RELY ON PUBLIC BUDGETS.

10:45:51 PUBLIC BUDGETS ARE FUNDED THROUGH SOMETHING THAT IS A

10:45:53 FOUR-LETTER WORD IN POLITICS.

10:45:56 TAXES.

10:45:57 I GUESS A FIVE-LETTER WORD.

10:45:59 IN POLITICS.

10:46:01 WHEN THIS COMES UP FOR RENEWAL, WHATEVER TERM YOU WANT, SOME

10:46:08 SORT OF REPLACEMENT REVENUE TYPE OF MECHANISM, I HOPE THAT

10:46:12 WE HAVE THE LEADERSHIP TO LEAD WHENEVER IT COMES TO THIS

10:46:17 ISSUE, ESPECIALLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

10:46:20 I TALKED ABOUT FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF NOW HAVING A

10:46:24 PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, MAKING SURE





10:46:27 THAT WE KNOW WHERE ALL OF OUR DEFICITS ARE AT AND MAKING

10:46:30 SURE THAT WE HAVE A FINANCIAL BRIDGE TO ADDRESSING THOSE

10:46:33 DEFICITS.

10:46:33 I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

10:46:36 IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I RAN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE ABOUT FIVE

10:46:39 YEARS AGO IS BECAUSE OF MY PASSION FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

10:46:43 WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THAT CORE CRITICAL ISSUE IN THIS

10:46:47 REVENUE FORMULA BECAUSE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE WATCHING,

10:46:54 OUR COMMUNITIES ARE WATCHING.

10:46:55 BUT THE COMMUNITY -- THAT WORD IS USED A LOT -- THE

10:46:58 COMMUNITY HAS TO KNOW.

10:46:59 AND WHEN I SAY THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN ALL THE COMMUNITY HAS

10:47:02 TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE SAY WE SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND

10:47:06 THE WORK THAT THEY DO, OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THE WORK THAT

10:47:09 THEY DO, OUR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO,

10:47:12 THAT IS BACKED UP BY TAX MONEY.

10:47:16 THAT IS BACKED UP BY TAX DOLLARS.

10:47:18 TWO-THIRDS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET GOES TO PUBLIC

10:47:21 SAFETY.

10:47:21 THERE IS A REAL RELATEDNESS OR CONNECTED -- THERE IS A

10:47:25 CONNECTIVITY THERE THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW.

10:47:29 SO THIS ISSUE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST RESPONDER ISSUE.

10:47:34 AND IF WE AS A COMMUNITY LET THIS GO WITHOUT APPROPRIATE

10:47:38 FUNDS -- I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY -- TAKE A LOOK AT THE

10:47:40 NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN.





10:47:42 WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING BACKWARDS.

10:47:44 TAKE A LOOK AT TAMPA FIRE.

10:47:46 THESE ARE -- THESE AREN'T SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WANTS AND NEEDS.

10:47:50 THIS IS A CORE CRITICAL NEED.

10:47:52 TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, FIRE

10:47:54 STATION 13, ONE OF THE 50 BUSIEST FIRE STATIONS IN THE CITY

10:47:58 OF TAMPA -- STRIKE THAT, IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

10:48:01 THE BUSIEST FIRE STATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BY FAR AND

10:48:04 AWAY, THE NUMBER OF CALLS BETWEEN STATION 13 AND STATION 11

10:48:09 LEAVE A 25% DIFFERENCE.

10:48:11 BY FAR AND AWAY THE BUSIEST FAIR STATION IN THE CITY OF

10:48:14 TAMPA.

10:48:14 ONE OF THE 50 OR SO BUSIEST WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.

10:48:17 OUR FRIENDS AT CHANNELSIDE BADLY NEED -- NEED A FIRE

10:48:22 STATION.

10:48:22 FOUR OUT OF THE SIX STATIONS WITH THE LONGEST RESPONSE TIMES

10:48:26 ARE IN A GROWING AREA OF THE CITY, NEW TAMPA.

10:48:29 WEST TAMPA, WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING,

10:48:32 AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

10:48:33 WE'RE EXPANDING THINGS IN WEST TAMPA.

10:48:37 WHERE ARE THE ACCOMPANYING FIRE STATIONS FOR THOSE ISSUES?

10:48:39 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN VISION,

10:48:42 WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND.

10:48:43 WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.

10:48:45 YOU FAST-FORWARD FOUR, FIVE YEARS LATER TO THE ISSUE THAT





10:48:48 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH, WE'RE NOT

10:48:51 RUNNING BEHIND.

10:48:51 WE'RE GOING TO BE DROWNING.

10:48:53 AND IT'S UP TO US TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT IF YOU SUPPORT

10:48:57 FIRST RESPONDERS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SUPPORT MONEY TO

10:49:00 SUPPORT THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS.

10:49:02 AND THIS PROVIDES SUCH A KEY CRITICAL ISSUE FOR PUBLIC

10:49:07 SAFETY WHENEVER IT COMES TO OUR VEHICLES.

10:49:10 I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ISSUE.

10:49:11 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:49:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

10:49:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:49:15 MR. ROGERO, I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

10:49:19 AS THE CIT COMES TO AN END, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL REPLACE

10:49:23 THAT, IF ANYTHING.

10:49:25 LOOKING AT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION AND HOW THAT'S TURNING

10:49:29 OUT, WE DON'T KNOW EVEN IF SOMETHING GETS ON THE BALLOT, IF

10:49:32 IT WILL SURVIVE ON THE BALLOT AND HAVE THAT FUNDING MOVING

10:49:35 FORWARD.

10:49:35 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, COUNCILMAN VIERA, THEY HAVE SAID A LOT

10:49:39 AND TOUCHED ON A LOT OF KEY POINTS.

10:49:41 MY THING IS, AND BEYOND THE IMPORTANCE OF FUNDING PUBLIC

10:49:45 SAFETY, BEYOND THE IMPORTANCE OF ALL THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE

10:49:48 MOVING HERE, ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND THE -- HOW BEHIND

10:49:55 WE ARE IN THOSE FIRE STATIONS, IN THOSE SERVICES THAT ARE





10:49:59 THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

10:50:01 I MEAN, THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.

10:50:05 WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP.

10:50:06 WE'RE FALLING MORE AND MORE BEHIND.

10:50:10 ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I GET ARE THE QUALITY OF OUR

10:50:12 ROADS.

10:50:13 I KNOW THIS IS NOT STRICTLY A CIT ISSUE, BUT OUR ROADS ARE

10:50:17 DISGUSTING.

10:50:18 I DRIVE THROUGH THE CITY AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME COUNTY

10:50:21 ROADS WITHIN THE CITY AND CONFUSION OF WHO FUNDS WHAT.

10:50:24 BUT OUR ROADS ARE IN TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE SHAPE.

10:50:26 I KNOW WE APPROVED THE PIPES PROGRAM AND MANY OF OUR ROADS

10:50:30 WILL BE TORN UP FOR THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE LAID

10:50:34 DOWN AND REPAVED, BUT OUR ROADS ARE A MESS.

10:50:38 OUR SIDEWALKS ARE INCOMPLETE, LACKING, INEFFICIENT.

10:50:41 I THOUGHT THAT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION MOVING FORWARD AND

10:50:45 SURVIVING WOULD GIVE US THAT FINANCING AND THOSE FUNDS IN

10:50:50 PLACE TO REMEDY THOSE, AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

10:50:55 UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT

10:50:57 MONEY.

10:50:58 BUT WE'RE FALLING FARTHER AND FARTHER BEHIND.

10:51:01 THE COST OF LIVING IS GOING UP.

10:51:03 WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP.

10:51:06 JUST THINGS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE, AND THAT

10:51:08 FUNDING ISN'T THERE.





10:51:10 LOOKING AT THE COMMUNICATIONS TAX AND THE LOSS OF REVENUE

10:51:12 OVER THE LAST 10, 20 YEARS, BECAUSE OF CELL PHONES AND

10:51:16 REPLACING LANDLINES AND WHAT THE CITY HAS LOST.

10:51:20 IT'S MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

10:51:22 WHEN I HEAR COMMENTS OR READ COMMENTS THAT SAY "TAMPA

10:51:26 DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS," I MEAN, IT IS A

10:51:29 GENERAL IGNORANT STATEMENT.

10:51:31 LOOK AT THE SITUATIONS THAT WE'RE FACING.

10:51:34 OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT A STADIUM IN THE '90s.

10:51:36 OKAY, THAT'S ONE THING.

10:51:38 BUT LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IMPACTS OUR BUDGETS AND WHY

10:51:41 WE HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISIONS IN MOVING FORWARD.

10:51:44 WE HAVE NEEDS.

10:51:45 COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID IT ALL.

10:51:46 WE HAVE CRITICAL NEEDS THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED BUT WE HAVE TO

10:51:50 LOOK AT HOW DO WE FUND THOSE THINGS MOVING FORWARD.

10:51:53 IF THE CIT -- WHEN THE CIT ENDS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS,

10:51:58 WHAT'S GOING TO REPLACE THAT?

10:51:59 THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER HIT TO OUR BUDGET MOVING INTO THE

10:52:02 LATTER PART OF THIS DECADE AND GOING FORWARD.

10:52:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:52:07 I'LL STOP THERE.

10:52:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

10:52:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:52:12 I WON'T PONTIFICATE TOO MUCH.





10:52:13 JUST GET TO A FEW POINTS.

10:52:15 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WHO HAS BEEN THE LEADER IN THE CIT TAX

10:52:21 AND HOPING TO GET A NEW TAX, AS HE STATED THERE WERE TWO

10:52:24 DIFFERENT VOTES.

10:52:25 THE FIRST VOTE WAS FOR FIRE AND POLICE AND FUNDING THEM.

10:52:28 THE SECOND VOTE CAME WITH ANOTHER INPUT, ANOTHER PART OF

10:52:33 THAT.

10:52:33 I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT'S HOW THE MAN IN BLACK GOT STARTED.

10:52:37 ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, WE ALL HEARD THE THINGS THAT THE

10:52:43 CITIZENS WANTED, REQUESTED FROM US.

10:52:45 THE BASIC NECESSITIES.

10:52:50 FRESH, CLEAN DRINKING WATER.

10:52:52 TAKE AWAY WASTE, BOTH SOLID AND LIQUID.

10:52:55 GOOD ROADS, BUT MORE ESPECIALLY, THEY SAID KEEP ME SAFE.

10:53:01 GIVE ME THE POLICE AND FIRE THAT WE NEED.

10:53:07 THIS TAX, I HOPE THAT OUR FRIENDS, OUR COLLEAGUES OVER IN

10:53:11 THE COUNTY ARE LISTENING, AND THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO COME UP

10:53:16 WITH ANOTHER FORM OF TAX THAT WILL HELP BOTH THE COUNTY WITH

10:53:20 SCHOOLS AND THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH OUR FIRE AND POLICE.

10:53:24 AS I MADE A STATEMENT LAST WEEK, WE NEED NEW BRICK AND

10:53:27 MORTAR AND FIRE STATIONS WITHOUT A DEBT.

10:53:31 MR. ROGERO, YOU HEARD THAT FROM ME EARLIER THIS WEEK ON MY

10:53:35 WISH LIST.

10:53:36 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.

10:53:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. ROGERO, THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAVE





10:53:42 GIVEN US IS GREAT PLANNING, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE

10:53:46 DONE, AND AS I SAID TO YOU EARLIER THIS WEEK, WE NEED TO

10:53:52 PLAN FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.

10:53:54 PLANNING FOR THE WORST IS THIS TAX GOES AWAY.

10:53:58 HOPING FOR THE BEST IS, AGAIN, OUR COLLEAGUES OVER IN THE

10:54:03 COUNTY, CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR COME UP WITH ANOTHER FORM OF

10:54:08 -- AND I HATE TO USE THE WORD -- IT IS A TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE

10:54:11 WORD -- TAXATION TO FUND US TO KEEP US SAFE THAT WILL

10:54:18 BENEFIT OUR FIRE AND POLICE, BUT, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY

10:54:21 MUCH, MR. ROGERO, FOR THIS PLAN.

10:54:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:54:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, WE ALL HAD GREAT POINTS.

10:54:37 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ECHO SOME OF THE THINGS MY

10:54:39 COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID ABOUT THE NEED FOR INVESTING IN BASIC

10:54:42 INFRASTRUCTURE.

10:54:42 CHAIR GUDES HAS OFTEN SAID THAT HIS DISTRICT IS HUNGRY AND

10:54:50 WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS ISSUES IN EAST TAMPA AND THE REST OF

10:54:53 HIS DISTRICT.

10:54:54 MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS SOUTH TAMPA, I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS

10:54:57 BEING ANGRY.

10:54:59 WE GET SOMETIMES A HUNDRED OR MORE E-MAILS A DAY FROM PEOPLE

10:55:02 WHO ARE VERY, VERY UPSET.

10:55:04 THEY ARE UPSET THAT THEY PAY A LOT OF TAXES AND OVER THE

10:55:07 LAST FEW YEARS, THEY HAVE SEEN THEIR TAX MONEY GO TO

10:55:10 FRIVOLOUS PROJECTS LIKE A $12 MILLION BOATHOUSE ON THE RIVER





10:55:13 INSTEAD OF BEING SPENT ON BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

10:55:15 THEY ARE MAD BECAUSE THEY PAY THE TAXES AND THEY DON'T SEE

10:55:18 THE IMMEDIATE BENEFIT OF IT.

10:55:20 IF YOU PAY A LOT OF TAXES AND YOUR ROAD IS TORN UP BECAUSE

10:55:23 OF POTHOLES AND THERE'S NO CITY MONEY TO REPLACE IT, THEN,

10:55:26 OF COURSE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANGRY OR THE CITY DOESN'T

10:55:29 HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT A STOP SIGN IN OR A RED LIGHT IN TO

10:55:33 PROTECT PEOPLE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANGRY.

10:55:35 ALSO, AS PEOPLE HAVE GONE OUTSIDE MORE DURING COVID, THEY

10:55:39 REALIZE THAT THEIR PARKS ARE FALLING APART.

10:55:41 IT'S NOT JUST PARKS FALLING APART IN EAST TAMPA.

10:55:43 IT'S PARKS FALLING APART IN SOUTH TAMPA.

10:55:46 WE HAVE BENCHES THAT PEOPLE CALL AND SAY THEIR KIDS GOT

10:55:49 SPLINTERS IN THEM BECAUSE THE BENCHES ARE FALLING APART.

10:55:52 SOME PLACES THERE AREN'T BENCHES AND NOT ENOUGH MAINTENANCE.

10:55:55 PEOPLE ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT.

10:55:57 THEY WANT THE CITY AND COUNTY TO COVER THE BASIC SERVICES

10:56:02 INSTEAD OF JUST SPENDING ON FRIVOLOUS PROJECTS.

10:56:05 YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, THE FOLKS IN SOUTH TAMPA

10:56:10 IN PARTICULAR I THINK DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY

10:56:14 BECAUSE I THINK THE PERCEPTION, THE REALITY IS THAT THE

10:56:16 POLICE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DO A GREAT JOB.

10:56:18 THEY KEEP FOLKS SAFE AND THEY SAVE LIVES EVERY DAY.

10:56:23 AND PEOPLE AREN'T SEEING THE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE

10:56:26 HAVING IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO FUND





10:56:29 ALL THE FUTURE NEEDS IN PUBLIC SAFETY OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

10:56:32 PROBLEMS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

10:56:34 ANYWAY, BOTTOM LINE IS I THANK ROGERO FOR FOCUSING ON THE

10:56:41 BASIC NECESSITIES.

10:56:43 YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING ROADS IN THIS.

10:56:45 ROADS AND FIXING POTHOLES IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART.

10:56:47 BUT FIXING PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT

10:56:50 AND ALSO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN PUBLIC SAFETY TO MAKE SURE

10:56:54 THE PUBLIC IS PROTECTED.

10:56:55 THANK YOU.

10:56:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.

10:56:58 I HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT.

10:57:01 I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

10:57:04 MY BROTHER GAVE ME A CALL YESTERDAY MORNING AROUND ABOUT

10:57:09 8:00.

10:57:17 THERE WAS A YOUNG LADY, PROBABLY A 7- OR 8-MONTH OLD BABY, A

10:57:26 6-YEAR-OLD THAT WAS SLEEPING ON THE GROUND IN BETWEEN OUR

10:57:32 LOTS.

10:57:41 NO BLANKET.

10:57:42 NO NOTHING.

10:57:45 AND IT HAD BEEN REMOVED, THE MOTHER HAD NO PLACE TO GO.

10:57:53 I GOT THREE CALLS ON THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE OTHER

10:57:56 BUSINESSES CALLED ME ABOUT IT.

10:58:00 WHAT DISTURBED ME WAS ONE OF THE HOTELS, WHEN ALL OF THE

10:58:05 FOLKS SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THAT YOUNG MOTHER AND THE





10:58:08 CHILDREN, THEY TRIED TO GET HER A PLACE TO STAY AT ONE OF

10:58:12 THE LOCAL HOTELS, MOTELS.

10:58:18 SHE REFUSED.

10:58:19 REFUSED BECAUSE THE OWNER SAID MIGHT MESS UP THE SHEETS.

10:58:31 AND I LOOK AT THE LITTLE HOTEL, AND -- GET A CALL AROUND

10:58:40 5:00.

10:58:41 MOTHER STILL HADN'T FOUND A PLACE YET.

10:58:45 EVERYONE GAVE HER MAYBE SIXTY, SEVENTY BUCKS, I'M TOLD.

10:58:56 SO WE TALK ABOUT C.I.T. AND THESE PROJECTS, I LOOK AT

10:59:03 HOUSING.

10:59:04 INFRASTRUCTURE.

10:59:08 MR. VIERA, YOU TALK ABOUT THE WANTS AND THE NEEDS.

10:59:11 YES, WE NEED FIRE STATIONS.

10:59:13 WE NEED POLICE.

10:59:18 BUT WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE, HOUSING, GENTLEMEN.

10:59:21 I DON'T CARE HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU GOT NO PLACE TO STAY,

10:59:24 YOU GOT NO HOPE, YOU HAVE NOTHING.

10:59:26 YOU CAN'T LAY YOUR HEAD.

10:59:29 WE CAN'T CONTROL SOME OF THE HOUSING MARKETS, BUT IF WE HAD

10:59:32 DOLLARS OF OUR OWN NONSUBSIDIZED AREA WE WOULD BE ABLE TO

10:59:36 HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.

10:59:39 NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF LUXURY HOMES INTO MARGINALIZED

10:59:43 COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, THEY ARE

10:59:46 FORCED TO LIVE AT DIFFERENT PLACES.

10:59:49 FOR ME WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TAXES, TAX DOLLARS, TO KNOW





10:59:56 EXACTLY TAX DOLLARS BEING UTILIZED, AND TO HELP THOSE IN

11:00:04 NEED.

11:00:05 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE, BUILDING

11:00:10 BUILDINGS THAT YOU CAN PUT PEOPLE IN, AND SOME OF THE

11:00:13 CONVERSATION WITH HOUSING, EVERYONE KNOWS OUR HOUSING

11:00:16 DEPARTMENT HAS A LOT OF CRITICAL ISSUES.

11:00:17 THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GET THE WORK OUT.

11:00:22 THE MONEY.

11:00:26 THEY AREN'T WORKING FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

11:00:28 THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, AND NOW MR.

11:00:33 SHELBY AND A FEW OTHERS, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, LAND USE, TO

11:00:38 IDENTIFY HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS

11:00:42 WORKFORCE IT REALLY BOTHERS ME.

11:00:46 I LOOK AT THE CATEGORY THEY ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN, AND

11:00:51 DEVELOPERS.

11:00:54 YOU CAN'T BRING IN 300 UNITS AND SAY, OH, WE GOT 20

11:00:58 AFFORDABLE UNITS.

11:01:00 THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR PEOPLE.

11:01:02 SO IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING FOR ANOTHER TAX, THAT

11:01:06 HAS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT.

11:01:10 AND IT HAS TO BE THE FIRST COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT.

11:01:14 BECAUSE YOU CAN SELL THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, PEOPLE

11:01:17 NEED THE HOME, THE SHELTER.

11:01:25 IF I GOT A PLACE TO STAY, IF I AM WORKING AT McDONALD'S,

11:01:29 BURG AREA KING OR WALMART, I GOT SHELTER, I GOT HOPE.





11:01:33 BUT GOT TO FIND A PLACE TO GO.

11:01:48 LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT,

11:01:51 PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T DO.

11:01:53 I CAN TELL YOU THIS COUNCIL -- MORE OF US TO MAKE SURE WE

11:01:59 GET ON BOARD.

11:02:01 THAT'S WHY I AM GLAD SOME OF YOU GET OUT AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE

11:02:06 LIVING THROUGH AND UNDERSTAND THE FACTUAL BASIS OF IT.

11:02:10 IF YOU DON'T VISUALIZE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, I DON'T

11:02:13 BELIEVE IT BUT ONCE YOU GET OUT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, AN

11:02:18 IDEA CAN HELP THE COMMUNITY.

11:02:23 AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN -- SEEING WHAT THE PEOPLE

11:02:29 ARE SAYING BUT WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE

11:02:34 OF EVERYTHING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THINGS GROW.

11:02:39 WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?

11:02:43 MR. DINGFELDER, MR. MANISCALCO.

11:02:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:02:46 YOU BRING UP SOME GOOD POINTS.

11:02:49 I DON'T KNOW, AND PERHAPS LEGAL CAN HELP US OUT OR DENNIS,

11:02:56 IF CIT MONEY EVEN CAN AT THIS TIME BASED UPON THE ORIGINAL

11:03:03 REFERENDUM, IF C.I.T. MONEY COULD BE USED FOR HOUSING, IF IT

11:03:07 COULD, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE A FEW MILLION GO IN THAT

11:03:10 DIRECTION, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS A LOT OF

11:03:14 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

11:03:16 SO THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.

11:03:18 AND I SEE CATE POPPING UP.





11:03:20 MAYBE SHE'S GOT THE ANSWER TO THAT.

11:03:21 PERHAPS FUTURISTICALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW, HAVE WE AS A BODY

11:03:28 SENT A LETTER OVER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION IN REGARD TO

11:03:33 RE-UPPING THE NEXT C.I.T. AGAIN?

11:03:37 HAVE WE DONE THAT YET?

11:03:39 OKAY.

11:03:40 AND MAYBE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN NEW BUSINESS.

11:03:43 AND THEN SECONDLY, IF WE DO DISCUSS THAT AND DECIDE TO DO

11:03:48 THAT, MAYBE THE NEXT C.I.T. PROGRAM, IF THERE IS ONE, WOULD

11:03:53 INCLUDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE I

11:03:56 THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY KNOWS AFFORDABLE HOUSING

11:04:00 IS A VERY REAL NEED, AS REAL AS PUBLIC SAFETY AND IT

11:04:04 ACTUALLY IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY

11:04:08 ISSUE DOWN TO THAT INDIVIDUAL LADY WHO HAS BEEN SLEEPING ON

11:04:11 THE GROUND. ANYWAY, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS, CATE.

11:04:14 DID YOU WANT TO GIVE ME ANY GUIDANCE IN REGARD TO THE

11:04:16 CURRENTS PROGRAM?

11:04:18 >> BRIAN MORRISON.

11:04:24 SO THE PROCEEDS OF THE SURTAX HAVE TO BE SPENT IN VERY

11:04:28 SPECIFIC AREAS.

11:04:31 REQUIRING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT PURPOSES,

11:04:34 PUBLIC EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THE DEFINITION OF

11:04:39 INFRASTRUCTURE COMES FROM THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE THAT WAS ON

11:04:41 THE BALLOT WHEN THIS WAS PASSED.

11:04:45 BUT CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, CAPITAL OUTLAY ASSOCIATED WITH





11:04:50 CONSTRUCTION, OR IMPROVEMENT OF -- FACILITIES WHICH HAVE A

11:04:55 LIFE EXPECTANCY OF FIVE OR MORE YEARS, AND ANY LAND

11:04:58 ACQUISITION, LAND IMPROVEMENT [INDISCERNIBLE]

11:05:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO THE

11:05:06 POSSIBILITY THAT CONSTRUCTION IS ASSOCIATED WITH AFFORDABLE

11:05:09 HOUSING?

11:05:10 >> SIR, FOR A PARTICULAR PROGRAM LIKE THAT, THIS WOULD HAVE

11:05:18 TO BE INCLUDED.

11:05:19 I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED SOME TODAY ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO

11:05:22 DO AS THIS PARTICULAR C.I.T. SURTAX HAS EXPIRED.

11:05:28 AS WE LOOK TOWARD THE NEXT ONE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT

11:05:31 WE WOULD WANT TO BRING UP, AND THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT

11:05:36 WE WANT TO FOCUS ON.

11:05:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HEAR YOU FUTURISTICALLY BUT I MEAN WE

11:05:41 HAVE A LIST IN FRONT OF US TODAY THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE

11:05:43 AFFORDABLE HOUSE BEING.

11:05:44 BUT MY QUESTION IS, COULD IT INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF

11:05:50 THIS CITY AND THIS COUNCIL DESIRES?

11:05:58 BASED UPON YOUR READING OF THE EXISTING ORDINANCE AND

11:06:01 REFERENDUM?

11:06:02 >> BASED UPON MY READING, THAT WOULD BE QUITE A STRETCH.

11:06:08 WE DO HAVE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES, OF COURSE THAT CAN BE USED

11:06:11 FOR PUBLIC HOUSING, AND AS WE PRIORITIZE THOSE, I THINK IT

11:06:15 WOULD BE BEST TO LOOK TO THOSE OTHER REVENUE STREAMS, SO THE

11:06:19 FOCUS IN THAT DIRECTION.





11:06:21 WE WOULD BE REALLY STRETCHING THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE ARE

11:06:26 ALLOWED TO DO WITH THIS TAX IF SPENT IN THAT AREA.

11:06:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU FOR THAT.

11:06:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK PINELLAS DID IT WITH THE C.I.T.

11:06:38 PINELLAS DID INCLUDE HOUSING.

11:06:41 SO IF THIS BODY CHOOSES TO SEND A LETTER TO THE COUNTY I

11:06:44 THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED BECAUSE PINELLAS DID IT.

11:06:47 MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

11:06:51 >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST WANTED TO CITE, BECAUSE MY NAME WAS

11:06:54 MENTIONED, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS UNDER THE C.I.T. I

11:06:56 AM TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAMS UNDER THE C.I.T.

11:06:58 IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THINGS LIKE

11:07:01 AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FROM C.I.T.

11:07:05 I THINK OF THE TWO BIG TICKET ITEMS WHICH ARE PARKS AND

11:07:07 RECREATION, AND PUBLIC SAFETY, AND PARKS AND RECREATION

11:07:11 OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT.

11:07:13 BUT IF YOU TAKE THOSE TWO ISSUES, PARKS AND RECREATION

11:07:16 VERSUS PUBLIC SAFETY, ONE IS LIKE I SAID SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A

11:07:20 WANT AND A NEED.

11:07:21 THE OTHER ONE IS A NEED.

11:07:22 A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I MEAN, THIS COUNCIL, OR THE PRIOR

11:07:26 COUNCIL, ADDRESSED I THINK A GOOD BALANCE ON THOSE WITH THE

11:07:32 FISCAL YEAR 2018 BUDGET WITH A MILLAGE THAT COUNCILMAN

11:07:37 DINGFELDER BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF THE HISTORY OF THE

11:07:39 MILLAGE RATE.





11:07:41 THROUGH THAT BUDGET WE WERE ABLE TO FUND A GOOD NUMBER OF

11:07:43 PARKS AS WELL AS FIRE STATION 23 AND SOME OTHER ISSUES.

11:07:46 BUT THE C.I.T. TAX AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHICH IS WHY I TALKED

11:07:49 ABOUT PARKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES WITH POLICE AND FIRE,

11:07:56 AND GO TO THAT.

11:07:57 NOW WHETHER WE HAVE A DISCUSSION TO EXPAND IT, THAT WOULD BE

11:08:00 GREAT.

11:08:01 BUT WITHIN THE UNIVERSE WE LIVE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST NOT AN

11:08:05 OPTION.

11:08:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. MANISCALCO.

11:08:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO PIGGYBACK ON SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS,

11:08:12 AND THIS IS NOT REALLY A C.I.T. TOPIC BUT YOU TALK ABOUT

11:08:15 AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND JUST MY THOUGHTS THIS MORNING WHEN I

11:08:18 WAS HAVING COFFEE, WE READ DAILY PROPERTY SOLD, APARTMENTS

11:08:25 COME, AND THIS PART OF THE CITY OR A CERTAIN PART OF THE

11:08:29 CITY, IN THE SOUTHERN PENINSULA, WHERE IT'S HAPPENING.

11:08:32 WHY DON'T THEY FOCUS, THESE DEVELOPERS, ON OTHER PARTS OF

11:08:37 THE CITY?

11:08:38 YOU HAVE A MOTHER AND HER CHILDREN IN A CERTAIN PART OF

11:08:41 TOWN, LET'S SAY EAST TAMPA, EAST OF THE INTERSTATE, DISTRICT

11:08:45 5.

11:08:46 WHY THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT FOCUSING ON THIS PART OF THE

11:08:48 CITY?

11:08:49 I HAD A CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY AND SAID WHAT IS THE

11:08:51 FOCUS POINT OF EAST TAMPA?





11:08:53 I SAID WHY NOT MAKE HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE LIKE A DALE MABRY,

11:08:56 MEANING THE INVESTMENT IN DALE MABRY, THAT WAS NOTHING 60

11:09:01 YEARS AGO, 50 YEARS AGO, NOT LIKE IT IS TODAY, WHEREAS

11:09:04 HILLSBOROUGH WAS A BUSY COMMERCIAL HUB WITH RESIDENTIAL ALL

11:09:08 AROUND IT.

11:09:09 IF THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE SO HOT

11:09:12 MAKING SO MUCH MONEY, WHY NOT TAKE THEIR FOCUS AWAY FROM

11:09:16 THAT GANDY AREA, THESE AREAS THAT FLOOD, THESE AREAS THAT

11:09:20 ZONE 1 EVACUATIONS, AREAS WHEN HURRICANES COME IN, PEOPLE

11:09:25 GOT TO GET OUT AND THERE'S NARROW ROADS, WHY DON'T THEY

11:09:28 FOCUS THEIR INVESTMENTS ON PARTS OF THE CITY THAT AGAIN IT'S

11:09:31 NOT A C.I.T. DISCUSSION, ON PARTS OF THE CITY THAT NEED THE

11:09:35 AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHERE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A PARK AND

11:09:42 WALK TO WORK.

11:09:44 YOU HAVE A STRONGER MIDDLE CLASS AND INVEST IN THAT

11:09:46 COMMUNITY IN A IS LACKING AND PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE

11:09:49 NEEDED, THE DESIRE IS THERE, THE DEMAND IS THERE, YET THEY

11:09:53 ARE BUILDING MORE AND MORE APARTMENTS THAT ARE UNAFFORDABLE.

11:09:56 YOU LOOK AT THE RATE, IN NICER PARTS OF THE CITY, 1800 A

11:10:02 MONTH, 2,000 A MONTH, 2400 A MONTH FOR A SINGLE BEDROOM.

11:10:05 YOU GO TO A THREE BEDROOM, 3, 4,000.

11:10:09 HOW IS THAT AFFORDABLE?

11:10:10 WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING FOR A LIVING THAT THEY ARE ABLE

11:10:12 TO AFFORD THESE RENTS?

11:10:14 IT'S NOT HOME OWNERSHIP.





11:10:15 THIS IS NOT THE AMERICAN DREAM.

11:10:17 THEY ARE PAYING THE LANDLORD, PAYING THE DEVELOPER.

11:10:20 WHY CAN'T THE DEVELOPERS FOCUS THEIR ATTENTION ON OTHER

11:10:23 PARTS OF THE CITY?

11:10:24 WE NEED IT.

11:10:26 THE COMMUNITY DEMANDS IT.

11:10:28 THE DEMAND IS THERE.

11:10:31 I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

11:10:32 SO I KNOW THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISCUSSION IS NOT PART OF

11:10:35 THE DRI.

11:10:35 THE C.I.T. IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND PARKS AND WHATNOT.

11:10:39 BUT JUST TO GET THAT DISCUSSION GOING.

11:10:41 I DON'T GET IT.

11:10:42 IT'S JUST LIKE MORE APARTMENTS BEING BUILT.

11:10:44 IS THAT ALL WE ARE GOOD FOR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA?

11:10:46 AT LEAST DO IT RIGHT.

11:10:48 NOT ONLY SOUTH TAMPA, ONLY THIS, ONLY THAT. ANYWAY, I AM ON

11:10:52 A TANGENT HERE BUT I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY FRUSTRATION

11:10:56 BECAUSE WE GET E-MAILS AND CALLS DAILY.

11:10:58 COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS FLOODED BECAUSE OF HIS DISTRICT.

11:11:03 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOT TO BE BETTER --

11:11:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL LET MR. CARLSON GO NEXT AND THEN I

11:11:11 WILL ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS I HAD ABOUT THOSE SAME CONCERNS.

11:11:13 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE

11:11:16 UP.





11:11:16 YOU KNOW THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR

11:11:19 THIS, TOO.

11:11:22 WITH OUR CRA HATS ON A YEAR OR SO AGO VOTED TO SPEND 30% OR

11:11:30 MORE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

11:11:32 I MELT WITH THE CONSULTANT WHO IS DOING THE STRATEGIC ACTION

11:11:35 PLAN FOR EAST TAMPA, AND I HAVE ALSO MET WITH ANOTHER ONE.

11:11:40 MY FEEDBACK, MY NUMBER ONE FEEDBACK TO THEM WAS WHY ARE YOU

11:11:44 ROLLING MONEY OVER YEAR TO YEAR?

11:11:46 YOU SHOULD BE SPENDING IT.

11:11:47 THERE'S NEED RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S MONEY SITTING IN AN

11:11:50 ACCOUNT.

11:11:50 THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT.

11:11:52 WHY AREN'T WE MOVING FORWARD ON PROJECTS?

11:11:54 AND PART OF IT IS THAT THERE'S BUREAUCRACY IN SOME OF THE

11:11:58 STRUCTURES IN THE COMMUNITY.

11:11:59 ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK WE NEED TO -- IT'S PART OF

11:12:04 THE AMERICAN PROCESS, WE NEED TO DISTRIBUTE IT.

11:12:06 THERE ARE LOTS OF NONPROFITS AND EVEN FOR-PROFITS THAT BUILD

11:12:09 AFFORDABILITY HOUSING, AND WE NEED TO HAVE LOTS OF PARTNERS

11:12:12 TO BUILD HOUSING FASTER.

11:12:14 WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP AND PROVIDE A MORE EQUITABLE PROCESS

11:12:18 FOR BRINGING IN PARTNERS ON THESE PROJECTS.

11:12:20 AND WE KNOW FROM STUDYING POVERTY THAT IT'S ALSO NOT A GOOD

11:12:23 IDEA TO CREATE CONCENTRATED AREAS OF POVERTY, EITHER WE NEED

11:12:30 TO BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND SO I THINK





11:12:35 BY WORKING WITH SOCIAL AND OTHER ENTREPRENEURS, WE CAN HELP

11:12:39 MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

11:12:39 LAST THING REAL FAST IS THAT A FRIEND OF MINE WHO IS

11:12:46 BELOVED, I WON'T SAY HIS NAME, BUT A BELOVED SERVICE WORKER

11:12:48 IN SOUTH TAMPA.

11:12:49 I JUST FOUND OUT WAS WORKING WEEK TO WEEK, AND HE HAD TO

11:12:55 HAVE A HIP REPLACEMENT, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, HE COULDN'T

11:13:00 WORK ANYMORE.

11:13:01 BECAUSE HE WAS WORKING WEEK TO WEEK HE COULDN'T AFFORD TO

11:13:04 PAY RENT ANYMORE AND NOW HE'S STAYING IN A $65 A NIGHT

11:13:07 MOTEL.

11:13:08 AND WHAT IS THAT, $2,000 A MONTH WHICH IS A RIDICULOUS

11:13:11 AMOUNT.

11:13:12 THANK GOD THERE'S A NONPROFIT THAT'S HELPING HIM, AND I HAVE

11:13:15 HAD TWO PHONE CALLS WITH HIM ALREADY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT

11:13:17 HOW WE CAN BRING SOME VOLUNTEERS INTO RESOURCES BECAUSE HE

11:13:22 HAS SO MANY FRIENDS TO HELP HIM.

11:13:24 BUT THAT'S JUST ONE PERSON.

11:13:25 WHAT DID THEY TELL US A YEAR AGO, 50,000 PEOPLE IN OUR CITY

11:13:29 IN OUR CITY DON'T HAVE HOMES.

11:13:31 THANK YOU.

11:13:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE IS A CRISIS.

11:13:43 I KNOW THE C.I.T. MONEY IS BUILT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND SO ON

11:13:46 AND SO ON.

11:13:47 BUT I DO KNOW IF THIS IS RE-UPPED, WE HAVE GOT AN INCLUSIVE





11:13:52 THING, AND I THINK THE VOTERS WILL GO FOR THAT BECAUSE

11:13:55 THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT.

11:13:56 MR. CARLSON, I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A BIG FAN BUT I HAD A TOUR,

11:14:00 GAVE THEM A TOUR OF THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, BECAUSE I NEED TO

11:14:04 GO IN THERE AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL AREAS,

11:14:07 PROPERTIES THAT ARE JUST SITTING, AND TRY TO BRING SOME JOBS

11:14:12 TO GET THE ECONOMY, A PLACE TO WALK AND WORK OVER THERE.

11:14:16 AS RELATES TO HOUSING, MR. MANISCALCO, I DID HAVE A MEETING

11:14:24 WITH HOUSING.

11:14:25 MR. BRYANT, WHO IS THE ATTORNEY, ABOUT WE ABOUT HOW WE CAN

11:14:31 COME UP WITH BIG-TIME APARTMENTS, AND PEOPLE BEING FORCED

11:14:38 OUT.

11:14:39 BUT TO LOOK AT ZONING, I ASKED ALSO TO COME BACK AND TELL ME

11:14:44 WHAT AN ESSENTIAL WORKER IS, WORKFORCE HOUSING.

11:14:49 THE CITY HAS A POLICY, THEY DON'T -- COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE GOT

11:14:56 WORKFORCE HOUSING, LIKE, WAIT, THIS NUMBER OF HOW MANY

11:15:04 DOLLARS THERE ARE.

11:15:05 SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE POLICIES HERE AS RELATES TO

11:15:12 SOME DOLLARS.

11:15:13 I ALSO TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF TO HAVE A NONPROFIT FUND

11:15:19 THAT THE GENERAL FUND, THEY NEED TO START PUTTING A SEPARATE

11:15:22 FUND FOR HOUSING BECAUSE A LOT OF PROGRAMS, GOVERNMENT

11:15:25 RELATED, AND PEOPLE CANNOT GET IN THOSE PROGRAMS FOR

11:15:30 WHATEVER REASON.

11:15:31 THEY ARE TOO DIFFICULT.





11:15:33 SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I KNOW STAFF IS LISTENING,

11:15:36 WATCHING, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO START DOING WORK ON.

11:15:38 ALSO, WHILE I HAVE YOU ON THE LINE, I AM GOING TO TALK TO

11:15:43 MRS. VAN LOAN TO GET WITH YOU, SIR, BECAUSE WE HAVE OH TO R

11:15:46 TO SEE HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE THE CRA DOLLARS WE HAVE NOW FOR

11:15:49 BOND, MONEY IN THE BANK.

11:15:50 I TALKED TO ONE OF THE GUYS WHO RAN SEVERAL CRAs, AND

11:15:59 LEVERAGE THOSE CRA DOLLARS AND HAVE MORE CAPITAL TO START

11:16:01 DOING MORE WORK RAPIDLY TO HAVE THOSE FUNDS.

11:16:05 THAT'S A CONVERSATION I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GET WITH MRS. VAN

11:16:08 LOAN HOW WE CAN START LEVERAGING THOSE DOLLARS AND HAVE MORE

11:16:12 MONEY WITH THE DOLLARS WE HAVE.

11:16:18 MR. MANISCALCO AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS IN FOR

11:16:20 FINAL LANDING.

11:16:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE'S NO EXCUSE WHY HOMELESSNESS

11:16:24 SHOULD EXIST IN 2021 ESPECIALLY IN THIS COUNTRY.

11:16:28 SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, WE HAVE TO

11:16:32 TAKE THOSE STEPS.

11:16:37 MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

11:16:39 >> SECOND.

11:16:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA SECONDS.

11:16:43 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:16:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE THE RESOLUTION.

11:16:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

11:16:51 BRYAN, CATE?





11:16:52 >> YES.

11:16:54 IF WE CAN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE A RESOLUTION.

11:16:57 >> SO MOVED.

11:17:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?

11:17:02 ANY OPPOSED?

11:17:05 ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

11:17:06 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.

11:17:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

11:17:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE?

11:17:18 SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.

11:17:20 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:17:21 ANYONE OPPOSED?

11:17:24 MOVE THE RESOLUTION?

11:17:26 MR. MANISCALCO MOVED.

11:17:28 DINGFELDER SECONDED IT.

11:17:30 DO WE NEED ROLL CALL, MR. SHELBY?

11:17:32 INCHES YES, SIR, PLEASE.

11:17:35 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

11:17:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

11:17:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

11:17:39 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

11:17:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:17:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:17:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:17:44 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.





11:17:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FOLKS, I KNEW WE TOOK A LOT OF TIME ON

11:17:49 NUMBER 49 BUT YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF PASSION ON EVERYONE HERE

11:17:52 AND UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

11:17:53 WE HAVE TO GET A PLAN AND GET IT DONE.

11:17:55 SO WE APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LONGER BUT EVERYONE IS PASSIONATE

11:17:58 ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

11:17:59 ITEM NUMBER 50.

11:18:00 >>ABBYE FEELEY: DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH

11:18:12 MANAGEMENT.

11:18:15 I BELIEVE THAT BRIAN MORRISON WANTED TO LEAD OUT ON ITEM 50

11:18:23 THIS MORNING.

11:18:23 >>BRIAN MORRISON: YES, THANK YOU, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

11:18:28 THIS IS THE FIRST TWO OF REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS TO BE HELD

11:18:30 BY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN ADDRESSING

11:18:35 FEDERAL CDBG, ESG, HOME AND HOPWA PROGRAMS.

11:18:42 U.S. HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE CITY

11:18:45 OF TAMPA CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN DICTATES THAT THIS FIRST

11:18:49 PUBLIC HEARING MUST BE HELD BEFORE THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN IS

11:18:52 PUBLISHED FOR COMMENT.

11:18:54 ON JULY 29, 2021, A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD BY

11:18:58 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADOPTING THE FISCAL

11:19:01 YEAR 2022 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.

11:19:03 MS. FEELEY WILL NOW PROVIDE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND THE

11:19:06 PUBLIC WITH MORE DETAIL REGARDING THE 2022 ANNUAL ACTION

11:19:11 PLAN AND PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PLAN.





11:19:13 PUBLIC COMMENT IS ENCOURAGED NOW AND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE

11:19:16 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN UPDATING AND ADOPTION PROCESS.

11:19:19 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, BRIAN.

11:19:24 IF I CAN GO AHEAD AND SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.

11:19:52 ARE YOU ABLE TO LOOK AT MY PRESENTATION?

11:19:55 >> YES.

11:19:57 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:19:59 GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

11:20:01 CHAIRMAN GUDES AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL,

11:20:04 WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.

11:20:05 I THINK THE DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL JUST HAD IS A REALLY

11:20:09 GREAT SEGUE INTO PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE ARE GOING TO HAVE

11:20:13 WITH YOU THIS MORNING ABOUT OUR HUD FUNDING THAT COMES IN

11:20:19 AND THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN WHICH REALLY IDENTIFIES THE

11:20:22 ACTIVITIES FOR THE COMING YEAR, THAT THOSE FUNDS WOULD GO

11:20:27 OUT TO AGENCIES FOR.

11:20:30 AND OVER THE PAST YEAR, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

11:20:34 HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO DELIVER

11:20:37 SERVICES FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, RANGE FROM REHABILITATION,

11:20:42 EXISTING HOMES, THE CREATION OF NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING

11:20:45 UNITS, AS WELL AS HOME OWNERSHIP SUPPORT, ASSISTANCE, AND

11:20:52 HOMELESS SERVICES.

11:20:53 I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU THIS MORNING.

11:20:55 AND IT HAS BEEN PREPARED BY KAON HENDERSON, OUR ACTING

11:21:01 MANAGER AND MYSELF, AND KAON IS A BIT UNDER THE WEATHER THIS





11:21:05 MORNING.

11:21:05 SHE IS ON FOR SUPPORT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I MAY NOT

11:21:08 BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THIS MORNING BUT I WAS GOING TO GIVE

11:21:12 IT MY BEST SHOT.

11:21:13 AND WHAT WE'LL REALLY DISCUSS UP WITH THIS MORNING IS OUR

11:21:17 FEDERAL FUNDS, THE HUD FUNDS THAT COME IN, AND MANY OF THESE

11:21:20 DO HAVE QUITE LENGTHY REGULATIONS AS TO HOW WE CAN SPEND

11:21:25 THOSE MONEYS.

11:21:26 ON AVERAGE WE GET ABOUT 9 TO $10 MILLION A YEAR, AND SOME OF

11:21:31 THOSE FUNDS ARE 3 YEAR CONTRACTS AND SOME OF THEM GO ON

11:21:35 ANNUAL CONTRACTS.

11:21:39 SO QUICKLY WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER THE PURPOSE OF OUR ACTION

11:21:42 PLAN PROPOSED FUNDING THAT WOULD BE COMING IN FOR FISCAL

11:21:46 YEAR '22.

11:21:48 OUR PRIORITIES.

11:21:49 AND THEN PUBLIC INPUT.

11:21:52 AND I JUST BRIEFLY WENT OVER, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE

11:21:57 CONSOLIDATED ACTION PLAN WHICH IS A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, AND EACH

11:22:00 YEAR WE PREPARE THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.

11:22:03 AND THE ACTIVITIES IDENTIFY IN THE ACTION PLAN ARE SUPPORTED

11:22:08 BY FOUR FUNDING SOURCES.

11:22:11 THESE ARE ALL FEDERAL SOURCES.

11:22:12 THE CDBG FUNDS, THE ESG FUNDS, WHICH ARE EMERGENCY GRANTS,

11:22:18 HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, FOR PEOPLE WITH AIDS, AND I KNOW WHEN

11:22:22 WE PRESENTED TO YOU IN OCTOBER, ON OUR ANNUAL ACTION PLAN,





11:22:26 THAT WAS A LITTLE LATE ADOPTION.

11:22:28 THIS YEAR, WE EXPRESSED TO YOU THAT WE ACTUALLY RUN THE HAP

11:22:34 PA PROGRAM FOR FIVE SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

11:22:37 SO PART OF WHAT YOU SAW ON THE AGENDA WAS MONEYS ASSOCIATED

11:22:46 WITH THAT AS WELL.

11:22:48 THEN WE HAVE OUR HOME INVESTMENT PROGRAM.

11:22:54 THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY OF EACH OF THOUGHTS GRANT FUNDS AND

11:22:57 HOW AND OWN WHAT THEY CAN BE SPENT.

11:23:02 AND OUR ESG AND OUR HOPWA OR ON A THREE YEAR CONTRACT AND

11:23:09 THAT CAME TO YOU LAST YEAR.

11:23:11 THIS YEAR WE ARE REALLY FOCUSING ON OUR CDBG AND OUR HOME

11:23:16 FUNDS.

11:23:19 WHAT I HAVE DONE HERE IS SHOWN YOU THOSE SIX CATEGORIES OF

11:23:22 WHAT HUD BELIEVES OUR PRIORITY NEEDS AND THEN IN THE ITALICS

11:23:30 ARE OUR CURRENT PROGRAM THAT ALIGN WITH THOSE NEEDS.

11:23:33 WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE OTHER PROGRAMS, OR

11:23:37 ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THESE PRIORITY

11:23:42 NEEDS, AND THAT'S PART OF THE FEEDBACK WHERE WE ARE HOPING

11:23:45 TO GET FUNDS TODAY FROM YOU, AS WELL FROM OUR ASSISTING

11:23:55 AGENCIES AND OUR CLIENTS THAT WE ARE SERVING THROUGH THESE

11:24:00 PROGRAMS.

11:24:03 HERE IS THE ESTIMATED FUNDING AWARDS.

11:24:05 AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, THE HOPWA AND ESG FUNDS ARE ON THREE

11:24:12 YEAR CONTRACTS AND THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED, 4.3

11:24:17 MILLION AND THE 274,000.





11:24:19 THE SHIP FUNDS ARE THE FLORIDA FUNDS THAT COME FROM THE

11:24:24 STATE OF FLORIDA.

11:24:25 SO THE TWO PRIMARY FUND SOURCES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WE

11:24:29 WILL BE WORKING FOR ASSIGNMENT THROUGH THE ACTION PLAN ARE

11:24:33 THE CDBG AND THE HOME FUNDS.

11:24:36 SO BASED ON THE NUMBER THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING FOR FY 22

11:24:40 THAT SHOULD BE ABOUT $5 MILLION.

11:24:43 YOU CAN SEE HERE A TOTAL, THAT THERE IS ABOUT $15 MILLION IN

11:24:48 GRANT FUNDS COMING FROM THESE FIVE PROGRAMS IN THE HOUSING

11:24:52 AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR PROGRAMMATIC EXPENSES AND THE

11:24:59 IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR PROGRAMS FOR FISCAL YEAR 22.

11:25:07 TODAY IS THE KICKOFF.

11:25:08 THESE ARE STATS FROM THE HUD PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE

11:25:15 ARE THIS MORNING, CHECKING ALL THE BOXES IN ORDER TO FULFILL

11:25:19 OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO RECEIVE THESE FUNDS FROM HUD.

11:25:23 TODAY, JUNE 3rd, WE ARE LAUNCHING WITH YOU IN THIS FIRST

11:25:27 PUBLIC HEARING, TOMORROW WE WILL RELEASE THE RFA ON OUR

11:25:31 WEBSITE FOR THE CDBG AND HOME FUNDS, AND THAT WILL BE A

11:25:37 REQUEST FOR APPLICANTS -- FOR APPLICATIONS, AND THESE ARE

11:25:42 FROM TYPICALLY OUR RECIPIENTS THAT PUT IN TO BE FUNDED AND I

11:25:47 KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS OVER THE YEARS WHEN

11:25:49 THESE PRESENTATIONS WOULD COME BACK TO YOU OF DIFFERENT

11:25:52 AGENCIES REQUESTING MONEY FOR CDBG FUNDS AND HOW THOSE WERE

11:25:57 GOING TO BE ALLOCATED.

11:25:59 AND TOMORROW WILL BE THAT KICKOFF.





11:26:04 THAT IS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.

11:26:05 IT'S ALSO BEING POSTED IN THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES," LA GACETA,

11:26:09 SENTINEL, AS WELL AS DEMAND STAR, WHICH IS THROUGH THE

11:26:14 PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, TO NOTIFY ALL THE POTENTIAL

11:26:18 APPLICANTS THAT THIS PROCESS IS OPENING.

11:26:21 WE WILL BE CONDUCTING A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WORKSHOP ON

11:26:26 JUNE 15th, AND THAT IS LIKE ANY STANDARD RFP OR RFA THAT

11:26:33 GOES OUT, A WORKSHOP, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS TO COME

11:26:36 IN, AND THEN WE PROVIDE RESPONSES TO THAT.

11:26:38 WE HAVE THE RFA SUBMISSION.

11:26:40 THAT LINE COMING ON JUNE 25.

11:26:45 THEN THE 30-DAY COMMENT PERIOD BEGINS ON JUNE 29th.

11:26:49 THIS WHOLE PROCESS WILL TAKE PLACE AND THEN WE WILL COME

11:26:53 BACK BEFORE YOU WITH THE FINAL -- THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN

11:26:57 WITH ALL OF THESE INPUTS AND ALL OF THESE ALLOCATIONS FOR

11:27:01 YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION ON JULY 29.

11:27:05 AND THEN IT GOES TO HUD FOR ACCEPTANCE AND FINAL APPROVAL.

11:27:13 AND THEN WE WOULD BEGIN WITH THOSE FUNDS COMING ON OCTOBER

11:27:17 1.

11:27:18 BRIEFLY, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU ON OUR WEB PAGE, THE

11:27:24 REQUEST, IT WILL BE POSTED THERE, AND THAT STARTS TOMORROW

11:27:28 MORNING.

11:27:29 WE ALSO DO PRESENTATIONS.

11:27:32 WE HAVE A SURVEY INSTRUMENT THAT WILL GO OUT.

11:27:36 I HAVE THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.





11:27:40 THROUGH OUR AGENCIES WHO ARE CURRENTLY SUBRECIPIENTS, AS

11:27:46 WELL AS MANY OF OUR OTHER PARTNER AGENCIES.

11:27:49 THE SURVEY GOES OUT TO THEM, AND THEIR CLIENTS.

11:27:53 AND THEN THAT INFORMATION COMBS BACK TO US, AND IT HELPS US

11:27:56 TO DRAFT THE SERVICES THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING.

11:28:01 IT DOES GO OUT -- AND WE COLLECT THOSE, TYPICALLY THIS HAS

11:28:07 BEEN DONE THROUGH A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, WILL GO OUT

11:28:11 TO LIBRARIES IN THE COMMUNITY, AND HOLD DIFFERENT COMMUNITY

11:28:15 MEETINGS, BUT DUE TO COVID BOTH LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR,

11:28:18 THAT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED.

11:28:20 SO WE HAVE BEEN USING OTHER MECHANISMS TO GET THAT

11:28:22 INFORMATION OUT.

11:28:23 THIS SURVEY ALSO IS PUBLISHED ON OUR WEBSITE.

11:28:27 SO PART OF US BEING HERE TODAY IS ALSO GETTING THAT WORD OUT

11:28:30 TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THOSE THAT WE CAN SERVE TO GET THEIR

11:28:35 FEEDBACK ON THOSE ITEMS OF GREATEST NEEDS, THAT THESE

11:28:39 PROGRAMS CAN START TO FOCUS ON.

11:28:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ABBEY?

11:28:44 >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, SIR.

11:28:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT SURVEY YOU HAVE, I KNOW HOW SURVEYS

11:28:51 KIND OF WORK SOMETIMES AND YOU DON'T GET ALL OF THE BACK

11:28:55 INFORMATION.

11:28:55 I'M HOPING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL LOOK AD AT MAYBE

11:28:58 SOME PSAS ON TELEVISION, RADIO AND TV STATIONS, HOW THIS

11:29:09 SURVEY RELATES TO HOUSING.





11:29:11 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY SEE HOUSING, THEIR ANTENNAS KIND

11:29:14 OF GO UP.

11:29:15 WE NEED TO DO A MORE ROBUST COMMUNICATION WITH THIS VERSUS

11:29:18 JUST BRINGING SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE.

11:29:21 AND SOME PEOPLE -- A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.

11:29:27 THEY NEED TO KNOCK ON DOORS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.

11:29:37 AND I THINK WE HAVE TO KICK THE FOOTBALL DOWN THE FIELD A

11:29:42 LITTLE FURTHER TO HAVE A ROBUST COMMUNICATION, TELEVISION

11:29:45 STATIONS, PSA ASKING THEM TO HELP US TO GET THE WORD OUT.

11:29:50 THIS HAS GOT TO BE CRUCIAL.

11:29:52 THANK YOU.

11:29:52 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I'LL SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO SERVE THAT

11:30:08 NEED.

11:30:08 I KNOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, AND ARE WAITING

11:30:12 THROUGH THE TYPICAL FORMAT.

11:30:15 NOT TYPICAL ROLLING OUT FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR BUT

11:30:22 WE'LL DEFINITELY CAST A WIDE NET.

11:30:27 SO THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE HERE THIS MORNING TO ALSO JUST

11:30:31 ASK, I HEARD DEFINITELY SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURES, I MEAN,

11:30:37 WE DO HAVE LOTS WITHIN OUR OWN PORTFOLIO THAT DO NOT HAVE

11:30:42 WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION RIGHT NOW, AND THERE IS SOME

11:30:46 POTENTIAL THROUGH CDBG FUNDING TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL

11:30:51 INFRASTRUCTURE.

11:30:54 THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH MONEY TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS

11:30:57 NECESSARILY.





11:30:57 WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD BE AND WE

11:31:02 ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT HAVING THE CITY APPLY AS AN APPLICANT

11:31:07 TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, BUT BASED ON YOUR

11:31:12 CONVERSATION THIS MORNING, I DID ALREADY REACH OUT TO KAON

11:31:17 AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY FOR US TO POTENTIALLY USE SOME OF

11:31:20 THE FUNDING THAT WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE COMING IN TO LOOK AT

11:31:23 THAT, AND POTENTIAL TO CREATE SOME OF THOSE LOTS BE

11:31:29 BUILDABLE AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THOSE STRUCTURE

11:31:34 CONNECTIONS.

11:31:36 WE HEAR A LOT DURING YOUR WEEKLY DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT THE

11:31:39 PRIORITIES ARE AND HOW DO WE START TO INCENTIVIZE HOUSING IN

11:31:44 OTHER AREAS.

11:31:45 WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PRIORITIES

11:31:50 FOR HOUSING RIGHT NOW, THE PURE INCREASE IN OUR INVENTORY,

11:31:56 AND ALSO I KNOW THE OWNER OCCUPIED REHABILITATION PROGRAM,

11:32:02 AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT AS PART OF THIS YEAR'S

11:32:05 BUDGET, WE DID PUT IN TO GET SOME GENERAL FUNDS TO SUPPORT

11:32:11 SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS.

11:32:12 AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, WE DO HAVE A LIMITATION BASED ON

11:32:16 THE GRANT THAT COMES IN THAT WE CAN ONLY GO UP TO 80% OF

11:32:22 AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AND THAT DOES LIMIT THE POPULATION THAT

11:32:25 WE CAN ASSIST WITH THESE PROGRAMS.

11:32:27 SO WE DID REQUEST GENERAL FUNDS THIS YEAR TO START BRIDGING

11:32:32 THE GAP, WHAT WE CALL THE MISSING, AND BEING ABLE TO GO UP

11:32:39 TO 140% OF AMI.





11:32:41 AND IN THE INDUSTRY DISCUSSIONS THIS IS REALLY WHAT MANY

11:32:44 PEOPLE REFER TO AS WORKFORCE, THAT 120 TO 140 AMI, THAT 100

11:32:51 TO 140 AMI.

11:32:53 SO WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THOSE SERVICES.

11:32:56 WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD GIFT WITH

11:33:01 MANY OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BUT EXPECTING TO

11:33:05 DO MORE GRANT FUNDING.

11:33:06 SO THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP TO ANY

11:33:09 QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, INPUT THAT YOU ALL HAVE THIS MORNING,

11:33:15 GET US ON OUR WAY, GET THE REQUIRED HAD YOU HAD FUNDS

11:33:20 UNDERWAY AND WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU ON THE 29th.

11:33:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

11:33:28 ABBEY, I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL THE OTHER DAY, AND IT MADE SENSE

11:33:34 TO ME.

11:33:35 YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, THESE

11:33:39 MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, THEY DIE, AND WE CAN'T FIND

11:33:44 ANYBODY, AND THEN THE PROPERTY GOES INTO FORECLOSURE.

11:33:46 AND THEN WRITE UP VIOLATIONS ON THE PROPERTY, VIOLATIONS IT

11:33:54 PROPERTY, AND GET LIENS ON THE PROPERTY.

11:33:57 BUT THE BANK HAS A LIEN.

11:33:58 THE BANK IS FORECLOSED.

11:34:00 AND THAN THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, IF WE KNOW THIS IS

11:34:04 HAPPENING BEFORE IT GETS THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD, WHY CAN'T

11:34:08 WE LOOK AT HAVING A PROGRAM TO WHERE EVEN WITH THE CRA, OR

11:34:14 WE JUST GO AND BUY THAT PROPERTY, AND SAVE THAT PROPERTY





11:34:17 BEFORE IT NEEDS ALL THE REPAIRS AND WORK ON IT.

11:34:22 IT MADE PERFECT SENSE TO ME.

11:34:26 IF HE DIED AND HE HAS NO FAMILY AND NOW WE SEE HOW THE

11:34:29 PROPERTY IS STARTING TO DETERIORATE, WE DO NOTHING.

11:34:32 NOW WE GET SQUATTERS, WHATEVER, PEOPLE, DRUG OR ALCOHOL,

11:34:37 START TO TEAR THE PROPERTY UP, WE HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE.

11:34:44 WE ARE REACTIVE.

11:34:45 WE HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE AS WELL TO BE ABLE -- I ALWAYS

11:34:49 TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

11:34:53 THE POLICE, THE FIRE, YOU HAVE GOT PUBLIC WORKS, YOU HAVE

11:34:56 ACTUAL CITY WORKERS EVERY DAY GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY,

11:34:59 SOLID WASTE GUY, LOOKING AT HOUSING PROPERTY.

11:35:03 WE SHOULD HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO WHERE WE IDENTIFY, SUCH

11:35:07 AND SUCH STREET, AND WE HAVE SOME SQUATTERS HERE, WE HAVE

11:35:11 GOT SOME PROBLEMS.

11:35:12 AND WE RUN A SEARCH TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, AND IN THE CRA,

11:35:16 IN MARGINALIZED AREAS, SAY HOW DO WE BUY THAT PROPERTY?

11:35:26 REHAB IT, SO WE DON'T NEED THAT MUCH MONEY INTO THAT REHAB.

11:35:35 WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT DEALS WITH -- WE HAVE PARROT, IT'S ON

11:35:41 THE TIP OF MY TONGUE, AND ENCOURAGING THOSE BECAUSE EVERYONE

11:35:44 DOESN'T NEED A NEW HOME.

11:35:46 WE NEED TO START ENCOURAGING THAT PROGRAM AS WELL, PUTTING

11:35:49 THAT OUT THERE.

11:35:55 WE NEED TO START REHABBING SOME OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES

11:35:58 AND START THAT PROGRAM TO GET PEOPLE IN THAT'S AFFORDABLE





11:36:02 AND GET THEM IN.

11:36:03 WE NEED TO START THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX RATHER THAN BEING

11:36:07 REACTIVE, AND LOOK AT THOSE PROGRAMS AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE

11:36:10 FUNDS THAT YOU HAVE TO REALLY HELP THOSE PEOPLE OUT, AND

11:36:13 AGAIN START PUSHING, ADVOCATING BUYING THOSE PROPERTIES

11:36:16 EARLY VERSUS WAITING FOR ALL THESE LIENS TO GET ON, WHICH

11:36:20 THERE ARE LIENS.

11:36:22 AND GET THAT BALL ROLLING.

11:36:24 SO I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, TO GET A GENERAL

11:36:26 IDEA OF THAT.

11:36:29 NO IDEA IS A BAD IDEA.

11:36:30 YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THE RIGHT IDEA GOING.

11:36:34 THESE MY TAKE ON THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE STOCK THAT WE

11:36:36 CURRENTLY HAVE.

11:36:38 WE HAVE GOT STUFF THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

11:36:40 LET'S TAKE IT BEFORE IT GETS DILAPIDATED AND I KNOW WE CAN'T

11:36:44 DO ANYTHING WITH IT AND STILL TRYING TO GET ALL THIS

11:36:47 INFORMATION.

11:36:51 ANYBODY ELSE?

11:36:53 ALL RIGHT.

11:36:54 DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MS. FEELEY?

11:36:56 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I BELIEVE WE WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND --

11:37:03 GO AHEAD, BRIAN.

11:37:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I LIKE BRIAN.

11:37:08 PUT SOME IDEAS OUT.





11:37:09 >>BRIAN MORRISON: I WAS JUST GOING TO REMIND YOU TO PLEASE

11:37:14 CHECK WITH THE PUBLIC AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INPUT AS

11:37:17 RELATES TO ESPECIALLY THE CDBG AND THE HOME PROGRAM THAT WE

11:37:20 WILL BE OPENING UP TOMORROW.

11:37:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR

11:37:24 ANYONE REGISTERED?

11:37:25 >> NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM REMOTELY.

11:37:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

11:37:31 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.

11:37:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO.

11:37:39 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

11:37:42 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:37:42 ANY OPPOSED?

11:37:43 MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:37:47 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SET THE

11:37:51 PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE JULY 29th DATE?

11:37:56 AND WE INDICATED TO BRING YOU BACK THE ACTION PLAN FOR

11:38:01 CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION.

11:38:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LOOKING AT THE 29th.

11:38:10 OR IT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED.

11:38:13 BRIAN?

11:38:13 >>BRIAN MORRISON: YES, SIR.

11:38:16 WE HAVE HAD A MOTION ON THIS ALREADY.

11:38:18 WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A RESOLUTION JUST TO

11:38:21 SOLIDIFY IT SO IT'S OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC.





11:38:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S THE 29th?

11:38:26 >>BRIAN MORRISON: YES, AND THAT WILL BE AT THE NEXT --

11:38:32 [INDISCERNIBLE]

11:38:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE PUT THROUGH

11:38:35 SIRE FOR THE NEXT AGENDA.

11:38:37 IS THAT CORRECT?

11:38:39 >> CORRECT.

11:38:39 A MOTION WAS MADE AT THE LAST --

11:38:42 >>> I WITHDRAW THE MOTION.

11:38:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HE WITHDREW IT.

11:38:46 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

11:38:48 THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.

11:38:49 WE GO TO ITEM 51.

11:38:52 THEY ARE ALREADY OPEN.

11:38:53 >>RYAN MANASSE: I NEED TO BE SWORN IN WITH ANY OF THE

11:39:00 AGENTS OR SPEAKERS.

11:39:02 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

11:39:04 DO YOU SWEAR OR AIR R AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE

11:39:06 ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

11:39:09 >> I DO.

11:39:10 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

11:39:11 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 51 --

11:39:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANASSE, CAN YOU GET THE PRESENTATION

11:39:28 ON THE SCREEN? THANK YOU.

11:39:29 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.





11:39:31 ITEM NUMBER 51 FILE REZ 20-83, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED

11:39:35 TO YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FOR REZONING THE

11:39:38 PROPERTY AT 1909 WEST ERNA DRIVE.

11:39:41 THE REQUEST WAS FROM RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD

11:39:44 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.

11:39:49 THE REVISED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO OUR DEPARTMENT

11:39:51 AND CERTIFIED AND TURNED OVER TO THE CITY CLERK AND STAFF IS

11:39:53 AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

11:39:56 OOPS.

11:39:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS BY STAFF?

11:40:00 APPLICANT?

11:40:04 >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

11:40:05 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

11:40:07 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:40:17 YOU MAY UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:40:18 >> MICHELLE LAMONT: THANK YOU.

11:40:33 THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

11:40:34 I AM HERE TODAY, FOR THE SECOND HEARING TO HAVE APPROVAL

11:40:43 FROM AN RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO A PLANNED

11:40:48 DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.

11:40:54 I DO OWN THE HOME.

11:40:55 WE HAVE POSTED THE PROPERTY AND WE HAVE NOTIFIED ALL

11:41:01 RESIDENTS, ALSO ALL CHANGES, CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN,

11:41:06 AND ANY ADDITIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AS PER THE COUNCIL'S

11:41:11 REQUEST.





11:41:13 AND I AM RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR AN APPROVAL TO GRANT THIS

11:41:19 AND BUILD A HOME ON THIS PROPERTY.

11:41:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?

11:41:27 ANY SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

11:41:33 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED DEPUTY CLERK?

11:41:37 >> NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.

11:41:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY

11:41:43 MR. CITRO.

11:41:44 ROLL CALL.

11:41:47 I'M SORRY, NUMBER 51, SIR.

11:41:52 >> REZ 20-83, AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND

11:42:01 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL

11:42:03 VICINITY OF 1909 WEST ERNA DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,

11:42:07 FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED FROM N SECTION 1

11:42:10 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL

11:42:13 SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,

11:42:16 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

11:42:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

11:42:28 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

11:42:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:42:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:42:31 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

11:42:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

11:42:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

11:42:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.





11:42:36 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:42:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 512.

11:42:39 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 52 IS FILE REZ 21-21, AN

11:42:44 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED TO YOU FOR SECOND READING AND

11:42:47 ADOPTION.

11:42:47 THIS IS FOR THE REZONING PROFIT IT LOCATED AT 704 EAST LIKE

11:42:58 AVENUE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.

11:42:59 CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK

11:43:01 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

11:43:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS BY STAFF?

11:43:05 ANY QUESTIONS BY STAFF?

11:43:06 ALL RIGHT.

11:43:07 WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

11:43:10 WERE YOU SWORN IN?

11:43:11 >> HILL HOMES, 5073 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE.

11:43:18 I NEED TO BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.

11:43:20 >>THE CLERK:

11:43:22 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

11:43:28 >> AND I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

11:43:30 AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

11:43:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

11:43:36 ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

11:43:41 ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

11:43:46 ANY REGISTERED?

11:43:48 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.





11:43:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED TO CLOSE, SECOND BY

11:43:56 MIRANDA.

11:43:57 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:44:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO FILE REZ 21-21, I WILL READ

11:44:06 THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN

11:44:08 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 704

11:44:12 EAST LAKE AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

11:44:14 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

11:44:16 CLASSIFICATIONS RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD

11:44:20 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED,

11:44:23 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

11:44:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

11:44:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY MANISCALCO.

11:44:31 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

11:44:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

11:44:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

11:44:36 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

11:44:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:44:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:44:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:44:42 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:44:47 >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

11:44:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER ABSTAINS FROM ITEM NUMBER

11:44:52 53.

11:44:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I WILL ABSTAIN ON SECOND READING,





11:44:56 AND MR. SHELBY WILL PROVIDE ME WITH THE DOCUMENT AT A LATER

11:45:00 DATE.

11:45:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANASSE, CONTINUE.

11:45:07 >> FILE REZ 21-27 BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION

11:45:12 FOR PROPERTY AT 3807 AND 3811 WEST SWANN AVENUE AND IT WAS

11:45:17 TO REZONE FROM CLASSIFICATION RM 616 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY

11:45:22 TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL.

11:45:26 CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK

11:45:28 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

11:45:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FROM OF STAFF?

11:45:36 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

11:45:41 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

11:45:43 >> I DO.

11:45:44 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

11:45:48 >>DAVID MECHANIK: MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK HERE ON BEHALF

11:45:51 OF THE APPLICANT ON ITEM 53, AND I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY

11:45:58 QUESTIONS AND WOULD REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS

11:46:04 APPLICATION.

11:46:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT?

11:46:06 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR FURTHER COMMENT FOR THIS

11:46:09 ITEM?

11:46:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO CLOSE.

11:46:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY REGISTERED?

11:46:15 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.

11:46:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED THE ITEM.





11:46:19 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

11:46:20 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:46:21 ANY OPPOSED?

11:46:23 MR. CITRO, WILL YOU READ ITEM NUMBER 53?

11:46:26 >> FILE REZ 21-27 AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND

11:46:30 READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE

11:46:33 GENERAL VICINITY OF 3807 AND 3811 WEST SWANN AVENUE IN THE

11:46:39 CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN

11:46:41 SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16

11:46:45 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE,

11:46:49 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

11:46:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

11:46:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED.

11:46:56 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.

11:46:58 MR. DINGFELDER WILL BE ABSTAINING.

11:46:59 ROLL CALL VOTE.

11:47:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:47:02 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

11:47:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

11:47:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

11:47:05 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

11:47:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:47:07 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH DINGFELDER

11:47:11 ABSTAINING.

11:47:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 54.





11:47:14 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

11:47:16 ITEM NUMBER 54 IS FILE 21-28 INFORM SECOND READING AND

11:47:23 ADOPTION.

11:47:24 THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS 4110 GEORGE ROAD AND THE

11:47:29 REQUEST WAS FROM PD TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS,

11:47:32 PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE, RETAIL SALES, ALL COMMERCIAL

11:47:35 GENERAL USES, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, AND

11:47:38 MULTIFAMILY, HOTEL MOTEL COLLEGE AND RESTAURANT.

11:47:41 CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK

11:47:44 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

11:47:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

11:47:53 WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?

11:47:55 >>DAVID MECHANIK: DAVID MECHANIK HERE ON BEHALF OF THE

11:47:57 APPLICANT.

11:47:57 I HAVE RANDY COEN WITH ME AS WELL.

11:48:00 WE ARE HERE SIMPLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, AND

11:48:04 TO BE ASK YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION.

11:48:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WERE YOU SWORN AGAIN OR IS HE OKAY?

11:48:12 ALL RIGHT.

11:48:13 MR. COEN?

11:48:20 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

11:48:24 >>RANDY COEN: I DO.

11:48:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MECHANIK

11:48:30 OR MR. COEN?

11:48:31 NO QUESTIONS?





11:48:32 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

11:48:34 ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

11:48:35 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.

11:48:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO WAS THE SECOND, I BELIEVE TO

11:48:45 CLOSE.

11:48:46 I'M SORRY, MR. CARLSON.

11:48:47 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE REZ 21-28,

11:48:52 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,

11:48:54 AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF

11:48:58 4110 GEORGE ROAD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

11:49:01 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

11:49:03 CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS,

11:49:05 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, RETAIL SALES, HOTEL, ADULT EDUCATION,

11:49:09 RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,

11:49:12 BUSINESS, PROFESSIONAL, AND MEDICAL OFFICE, RETAIL SALES,

11:49:15 ALL COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY

11:49:18 ATTACHED AND MULTIFAMILY HOTEL, MOTEL, COLLEGE, RESTAURANT,

11:49:22 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

11:49:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

11:49:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.

11:49:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:49:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:49:31 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

11:49:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

11:49:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.





11:49:35 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

11:49:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:49:36 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:49:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 55.

11:49:46 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

11:49:48 COUNCIL MEMBERS, AS EXPLAINED, AT FIRST READING FOR THIS

11:49:52 ITEM THE PRIOR REZONING THAT YOU JUST APPROVED ON SECOND

11:49:55 READING IS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT, AND

11:49:59 THIS CHANGE IS SIMPLY TO REVISE THE MATRIX SO THAT THE

11:50:04 DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT IS FOR THE REZONING IS

11:50:08 CONSISTENT WITH THE DRI.

11:50:09 I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

11:50:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

11:50:14 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?

11:50:20 >>DAVID MECHANIK: DAVID MECHANIK HERE ON BEHALF OF THE

11:50:21 APPLICANT.

11:50:22 I HAVE RANDY COEN WITH ME AND WE BOTH HAVE BEEN SWORN.

11:50:25 WE ARE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND TO

11:50:29 ASK YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION.

11:50:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

11:50:36 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR REGISTERED?

11:50:39 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.

11:50:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED TO CLOSE, SECOND BY

11:50:47 MR --

11:50:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING





11:50:53 AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA APPROVAL THE

11:50:56 THIRD AMENDMENT TO A DEVELOPMENT ORDER RENDERED PURSUANT TO

11:51:00 CHAPTER 380.06 FLORIDA STATUTES FOR THE INDEPENDENCE PARK

11:51:03 DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT DRI NUMBER 250 PROVIDING AN

11:51:06 EFFECTIVE DATE.

11:51:06 >> SECOND.

11:51:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED.

11:51:10 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

11:51:11 ROLL CALL.

11:51:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

11:51:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

11:51:15 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

11:51:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:51:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:51:18 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

11:51:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:51:20 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:51:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S ALREADY OPEN.

11:51:27 WE GO TO ITEM 56.

11:51:28 >>RYAN MANASSE: REZ 20-103.

11:51:32 THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5426 BAY CENTER DRIVE.

11:51:36 THE REQUEST WAS FROM PD, OR IS FROM PD TO PD FOR OFFICE

11:51:41 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, MEDICAL OFFICE, HOTEL MULTIFAMILY

11:51:44 RESIDENTIAL.

11:51:49 STAFF HAS DONE A PRESENTATION IN PREVIOUS HEARINGS, AND IS





11:51:54 NOW BEFORE YOU TODAY.

11:51:55 I WILL DEFER BACK TO CHAIR OR THE AGENT FOR THEIR

11:51:57 PRESENTATION FROM THE CONTINUANCE.

11:51:59 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

11:52:16 IT'S GOING ON FIVE MINUTES.

11:52:19 HOW MANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE?

11:52:21 >> WE HAVE 20 REGISTERED SPEAKERS AND I BELIEVE

11:52:24 APPROXIMATELY THREE DOWNSTAIRS.

11:52:25 >>LUIS VIERA: GENTLEMEN, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE?

11:52:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SAY WE BREAK FOR LUNCH AND TAKE THIS

11:52:31 UP WHEN WE COME BACK.

11:52:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AGREE.

11:52:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANASSE, WE WILL TAKE THIS UP AT 1:30.

11:52:43 MOTION BY MR. CITRO -- MR. MANISCALCO.

11:52:47 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

11:52:48 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:52:49 ALL RIGHT.

11:52:49 WE STAND ADJOURNED OR RECESS UNTIL 1:30.

11:52:53 (RECESS)

01:34:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE YOUR MIKE ON?

01:34:25 I'M SORRY.

01:34:25 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY THREE DOWNSTAIRS, AND I

01:34:31 HAVE 19 REGISTERED TO SPEAK VIRTUALLY.

01:34:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE STARTED OFF WITH MR. MANASSE AND TOOK

01:34:41 TIME OFF BECAUSE OF THE TIME FRAME.





01:34:43 HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT GOING TO THE STAFF REPORTS NOW AND

01:34:47 LET THEM GET BACK TO WORK VERSUS DOING ITEM NUMBER 56?

01:34:51 WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE?

01:34:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE]

01:34:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CONSENSUS?

01:35:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SECOND.

01:35:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO WITH A MOTION ON THE FLOOR

01:35:05 TO GO FORWARD WITH STAFF REPORTS.

01:35:07 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

01:35:09 ALL IN FAVOR?

01:35:10 ANY OPPOSED?

01:35:11 >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED TO DO ROLL CALL.

01:35:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.

01:35:15 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

01:35:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

01:35:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

01:35:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

01:35:21 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

01:35:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

01:35:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

01:35:23 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

01:35:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, CHIEF.

01:35:27 DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH 57 OR WAIT?

01:35:31 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.

01:35:43 FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH THE





01:35:46 STAFF REPORTS.

01:35:46 HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE NIMBLE ENOUGH TO GET EVERYBODY BACK ON

01:35:51 THE REGULAR AGENDA.

01:35:52 57, WE ARE OFFERING TO POSTPONE.

01:35:55 THAT WAS JUST AN UPDATE FROM DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC

01:35:59 OPPORTUNITY.

01:36:00 SO WE SAW THE AGENDA AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING, SO WE

01:36:05 ARE GOING TO PASS ON 57.

01:36:07 THE RESTS OF THEM ARE REALLY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AS FAR AS

01:36:09 THE MEMORANDUMS GO.

01:36:12 I AM NOT CONVERSANT ON WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BEGINNING OF

01:36:15 APPROVING THE AGENDA, WHICH STAFF MEMBERS YOU WERE WILLING

01:36:19 TO RELEASE.

01:36:19 THE FIRST ONE WAS 58 WITH A MEMO FROM DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR

01:36:23 BARED.

01:36:27 SO THAT FIRST, MR. BAIRD.

01:36:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I BELIEVE THAT WE RELEASED HIM?

01:36:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE

01:36:44 THAT?

01:36:45 >> SO MOVED.

01:36:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 58?

01:36:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.

01:36:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MANISCALCO TO MOVE THE

01:36:57 RESOLUTION, MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED IT.

01:36:59 ANY DISCUSSION ON IT?





01:37:00 ROLL CALL FOR THE RESOLUTION.

01:37:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

01:37:07 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

01:37:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

01:37:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

01:37:11 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

01:37:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

01:37:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

01:37:14 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

01:37:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 59.

01:37:19 >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, A MEMO FROM ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY

01:37:26 CARL BRODY.

01:37:27 I'M NOT SURE OF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON THAT.

01:37:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT

01:37:31 THAT.

01:37:35 IT WAS MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION.

01:37:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I SPOKE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING

01:37:41 YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD JUST ACCEPT THE REPORT, BUT I CAN

01:37:44 MAKE SURE MR. BRODY IS AVAILABLE.

01:37:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE'S THERE WAITING FOR IT.

01:37:53 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR.

01:37:55 THANK YOU.

01:37:55 >>CARL BRODY: GOOD AFTERNOON.

01:37:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE WAITING ON YOU WHENEVER YOU ARE

01:38:06 READY.





01:38:07 >>CARL BRODY: OH, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

01:38:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

01:38:11 >> OKAY, GOOD.

01:38:13 SORRY.

01:38:13 SORRY.

01:38:14 IN RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER -- I'M

01:38:24 SORRY, CARL BRODY FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

01:38:27 MS. SIMMS AND I ALSO FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT DID A REVIEW

01:38:30 OF CASE LAW STATUTORY PROVISIONS THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY,

01:38:35 IF WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE A LOCAL BUSINESS PREFERENCE.

01:38:40 WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A PRETTY STRONG

01:38:45 LOCAL BUSINESS PREFERENCE IN PLACE THERE ARE OUR 36.5

01:38:55 BUSINESS ENTERPRISE ORDINANCE.

01:38:57 WHAT THAT ORDINANCE DOES IS IT PROVIDES A SHELTERED MARKET

01:39:00 FOR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE BASED IN THE CITY OF

01:39:05 TAMPA AND SHELTERED MARKET ALLOWS ONLY THOSE SMALL

01:39:10 BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO BID FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT ARE

01:39:16 OF A CERTAIN VALUE.

01:39:18 THE LARGER PROJECTS THAT THE SMALL BUSINESSES MIGHT NOT BE

01:39:21 ABLE TO HANDLE COMPLETELY, WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE A 5%

01:39:27 PREFERENCE FOR THE LARGER BIDDERS WHO USE OUR SMALL LOCAL

01:39:33 BUSINESSES OR FIVE EXTRA POINTS IN THEIR BID.

01:39:38 SO THERE ARE DIRECT BENEFITS TO OUR SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES.

01:39:43 THE KEY DISTINCTION TO BE MADE FOR A LOCAL PREFERENCE IS

01:39:48 THAT A LOCAL PREFERENCE APPLIES TO INDIVIDUALS, APPLIES TO





01:39:53 INDIVIDUALS WITH HIRING PREFERENCE, APPLIES TO INDIVIDUAL

01:39:59 CITIZENS WHO TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS

01:40:02 THE SUPREME COURT -- IT BASICALLY PLACES A STRICT SCRUTINY

01:40:07 STANDARD ON ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S ATTEMPTING TO CREATE

01:40:14 A LOCAL PREFERENCE THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT LOCAL CITIZENS

01:40:22 OVER OUT-OF-STATE CITIZENS AND DO THAT UNDER PRIVILEGES AND

01:40:25 IMMUNITY CLAUSE, AND THE CONSTITUTION DOES PROVIDE THAT ALL

01:40:29 CITIZENS OF DIFFERENT STATES SHOULD RECEIVE PROTECTIONS OF

01:40:35 BEING UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND NOT BE DISCRIMINATED

01:40:38 AGAINST BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING FROM A DIFFERENT STATE.

01:40:40 SO THE COURT, AN OLDER CASE BUT IT'S BEEN UPHELD

01:40:48 SUBSEQUENTLY BY ANY OTHER REVIEWS, HAS FOUND THAT THE

01:40:52 SCRUTINY STANDARD APPLIES, AND THE HIRING PREFERENCES, SO

01:41:02 THAT WE HAVE A NARROWLY TAILORED ORDINANCE THAT ACHIEVES AN

01:41:10 IMPORTANT GOVERNMENT INTEREST.

01:41:11 SO THAT'S KIND OF THE LEGAL STANDARD BEHIND THIS.

01:41:14 SO WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS.

01:41:18 THERE'S A REPORTING PROVISION THAT WE LOOKED AT, THAT IS

01:41:23 POSSIBLE, BUT THERE ARE SOME DOWNSIDES TO IT IN TERMS OF HOW

01:41:26 IT WOULD AFFECT COMMERCE IN THE CITY.

01:41:31 SPECIFICALLY, REQUIREMENT IS THAT ANY OF THE CONTRACTORS

01:41:35 AND/OR SUBS TRACK THE ZIP CODES, THE CITIZENS, OF THEIR

01:41:50 EMPLOYEES.

01:41:51 THAT CREATES SOME DIFFERENT CONCERNS REGARDING FIRST FOR

01:41:56 STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TRACK AND DETERMINE THE COMPLIANCE





01:42:01 BY THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS AND SUBS WITH THE ORDINANCE OR

01:42:06 PROGRAM, WHICHEVER WAY WE WENT WITH IT, BUT ALSO IT KIND OF

01:42:10 LIMITS OUR POOL OF ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES THAT THE BUSINESSES

01:42:16 HERE IN THE AREA COULD USE, INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE A

01:42:21 BROADER CONSIDERATION OF EMPLOYEES, IT WOULD BE LIMITED.

01:42:28 WE WOULD ALSO HAVE REDUCED COMPETITION OVERALL BECAUSE OF

01:42:33 THE LIMITED LABOR POOL AVAILABLE, AND WE WOULD ALSO -- IT'S

01:42:40 VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANY OF OUR BUSINESSES USING DAY LABORERS

01:42:45 TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BECAUSE JUST THE NATURE OF WORKING

01:42:48 WITH DAY LABORERS AND GETTING THEIR ADDRESSES.

01:42:54 WE ALSO LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN

01:42:59 NEIGHBORHOODS.

01:43:00 WE DIDN'T FIND ANY CASE LAW SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, BUT WE ARE

01:43:03 VERY CONCERNED THAT IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN A BASIS OR PROVIDE

01:43:08 A GOOD BASIS FOR WHY WE WOULD TREAT TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO

01:43:14 BASICALLY LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER FROM ONE

01:43:18 BEING A HIGHER PREFERENCE AND THE OTHER NOT.

01:43:21 THAT'S AN EQUAL PROTECTION CONCERN AND ALSO A DUE PROCESS

01:43:24 CONCERN THAT WE JUST REALLY WANT -- THAT WE ARE CONCERNED

01:43:29 ABOUT, IF THAT WAS THE TYPE OF PROGRAM THAT WE WERE LOOKING

01:43:32 AT MOVING FORWARD ON.

01:43:34 AND THEN AS NOTED RECENTLY A NEW PROVISION THAT DOES NOT

01:43:43 ALLOW LOCAL HIRING PREFERENCES IF THE STATE ITSELF IS

01:43:48 FUNDING ANY PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

01:43:51 SO THAT IS ALSO A CONCERN.





01:43:55 THE MAIN ISSUES I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IN THE MEMO --

01:44:02 AND I WILL ASK MRS. HAMILTON IF SHE HAS ANYTHING.

01:44:05 >> HAMILTON: I THINK YOU BASICALLY COVERED IT.

01:44:10 I THINK WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE, BUT THOSE ARE THE

01:44:14 PRIME FACTORS.

01:44:17 IN REGARD TO PRIVILEGES AND I AM MUNICIPALITIES, WE WOULD

01:44:19 PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF STATISTICAL ANALYSIS TO

01:44:23 REACH ANY KIND OF -- TO PROVIDE FOR LOCAL PREFERENCE.

01:44:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, QUESTIONS, ANYONE?

01:44:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, AS THE MAKER OF THE

01:44:40 MOTION.

01:44:45 YES, I READ THE MEMO WHEN YOU GUYS PROVIDED IT A FEW DAYS

01:44:49 AGO.

01:44:49 I APPRECIATE IT.

01:44:50 I THINK IT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE

01:44:55 LIMITATIONS.

01:44:57 SO, ANYWAY, WE'LL CARRY ON FROM THERE.

01:45:00 THANK YOU.

01:45:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

01:45:05 >>BILL CARLSON: MY FIRM IN THE PAST HAS APPLIED FOR

01:45:07 GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS OUT OF THE MARKET OUT OF STATE, DOES

01:45:10 BUSINESSES IN CALIFORNIA.

01:45:15 WE DON'T DO ANY IN TAMPA, FOR ANYBODY WATCHING.

01:45:18 BUT THE PROBLEM WITH LOCAL PREFERENCE IS THAT OTHER

01:45:24 GOVERNMENTS RETALIATE, AND IF OUR COMPANIES WANT TO BE THE





01:45:28 BEST THAT THEY CAN BE, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SELL OUT SIDE

01:45:32 THIS MARKET.

01:45:33 THEY NEED TO SELL PASCO COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, ALL AROUND THE

01:45:37 WORLD, AND PROVIDING PROTECTION FOR -- PROVIDING LOCAL

01:45:40 PROTECTION DOESN'T WORK.

01:45:42 INDIA HAD A PROTECTED ECONOMY FOR 20, 30 YEARS, AND WHEN IT

01:45:45 FINALLY OPENED UP IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC

01:45:48 BOOMS IN THE WORLD'S HISTORY BY OPENING IT UP TO

01:45:51 COMPETITORS.

01:45:51 AND I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR LOCAL COMPANIES BY

01:45:55 ENABLING THEM TO NOT GET HURT BY WORKING OUTSIDE OF TAMPA.

01:45:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?

01:46:04 ALL RIGHT.

01:46:04 THANK YOU, SIR.

01:46:05 >>CARL BRODY: THANK YOU.

01:46:09 >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT BRINGS US UP TO I BELIEVE ITEM 60.

01:46:21 AGAIN I BELIEVE THAT WAS A RECEIVE AND FILE. I WANT TO

01:46:24 VERIFY WITH COUNCIL.

01:46:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED BY MR. MANISCALCO.

01:46:28 SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

01:46:29 ALL IN FAVOR?

01:46:30 ANY OPPOSED?

01:46:30 MOTION CARRIES.

01:46:33 ITEM 61.

01:46:33 >>JOHN BENNETT: SAME SCENARIO WITH DIRECTOR TO BE ON





01:46:40 STANDBY.

01:46:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

01:46:49 IS HE THERE?

01:46:49 THERE HE IS.

01:46:50 >>VIK BHIDE: I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTION RELATED TO

01:46:57 ITEM 61.

01:46:58 THIS IS RELATED TO A MOTION MADE EARLIER THIS YEAR BY

01:47:04 COUNCILMAN -- CHAIRMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO

01:47:09 REGARDING THE STATUS OF THE BERMUDA BOULEVARD SEAWALL

01:47:14 PROJECT.

01:47:15 A STAFF REPORT WAS SUBMITTED, AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

01:47:18 QUESTIONS.

01:47:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: VIK, I HAPPENED TO BE ON THE CLEAN-UP WITH

01:47:26 THE FOLKS OUT IN PALMETTO BEACH, ASKED TO COME DOWN TO VIEW

01:47:30 THE ACTUAL SEAWALL, ME NOT KNOWING MUCH ABOUT THE SEAWALL.

01:47:35 THEY GAVE ME A HISTORY LESS ON OF THE SEAWALL AND SHOWED ME

01:47:39 THE DETERIORATION OF THAT SEAWALL.

01:47:42 I READ THE MEMO.

01:47:44 AND EVERYONE WAS PUTTING IN THEIR BUDGETS AND PUTTING THINGS

01:47:51 IN REFERENCE TO THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.

01:47:54 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYBODY WAS SO GOOD ON THESE ITEMS

01:47:59 WITH MONEY THEY DIDN'T HAVE.

01:48:00 SO MY QUESTION, MONEY THEY DIDN'T HAVE, BUT WE ARE PUTTING

01:48:04 IT INTO A PROGRAM, SO MY QUESTION NOW IS, I DON'T KNOW WHEN

01:48:13 THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FOR TRANSPORTATION.





01:48:16 BUT THEY ARE RIGHT.

01:48:17 THAT THING IS GOING TO CAVE IN.

01:48:19 PATCHWORK ON THE STREET THERE, AND I'M AFRAID WE GET A BIG

01:48:22 STORM OR SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR

01:48:25 PROBLEM DOWN THERE.

01:48:25 I SAW THE MEMO BUT IT WASN'T DETAILED, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO

01:48:29 DO NOT WORRYING ABOUT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION?

01:48:32 >>VIK BHIDE: AND THAT'S A VERY VALID QUESTION, CHAIRMAN.

01:48:37 I WISH I HAD A BETTER ANSWER THAN WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK

01:48:42 AT FUNDING OPTIONS AND WILL WORK WITH OUR RESILIENCE OFFICER

01:48:47 AS THE MEMO MENTIONED.

01:48:49 WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR GRANTS.

01:48:50 I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU AND COUNCIL THAT -- GRANTS IN

01:48:58 GENERAL, COMING FROM THE RECENT WEEK, WORKING ON IT BUT

01:49:05 RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S HOLDING US BACK, AND

01:49:07 THAT IS FUNDING.

01:49:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I APPRECIATE IT.

01:49:10 THAT'S WHY I THREW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE IN PALMETTO

01:49:13 BEACH ARE CALLING AND ASKING.

01:49:14 SO WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOME TYPE OF DIALOGUE, AND WE CAN'T

01:49:18 KEEP SAYING ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.

01:49:20 WE HAVE TO QUICK TALKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ON

01:49:23 THE TABLE ANYMORE.

01:49:24 LIKE YOU SAID, THE GRANTS THAT WE ARE AFTER RIGHT NOW, X

01:49:28 AMOUNT OF DOLLARS COMING FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND WE LET





01:49:31 THOSE FOLKS KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO AND THIS IS HOW

01:49:34 WE ARE GOING TO DO IT.

01:49:35 BECAUSE I WENT DOWN THERE.

01:49:37 GENTLEMEN, I URGE YOU TO COME DOWN.

01:49:39 I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S GOT SOME MAJOR PROBLEMS.

01:49:44 ONE DAY, WE'LL HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM.

01:49:47 MR. CITRO.

01:49:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK, VIK.

01:49:54 HAVE WE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES?

01:49:58 AND YOU RAISED A POINT OF RESILIENCY.

01:50:02 WITH SEA LEVEL RISE, AND OTHER EFFECTS THAT WE ARE HAVING

01:50:06 FROM CLIMATE CHANGE, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AND

01:50:09 SAYING THE SEAWALLS ARE NO LONGER A GREAT WAY OF KEEPING

01:50:14 BACK STORM SURGE.

01:50:17 AND WE HAVE BEEN GOING MORE TOWARD RUBBLE, AND/OR MANGROVES.

01:50:24 IS THAT COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE?

01:50:26 >>VIK BHIDE: ANOTHER GREAT POINT, COUNCILMAN.

01:50:29 IT IS NOT OFF THE TABLE.

01:50:31 IN FACT, THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE PLANNING FOR THIS

01:50:36 PROJECT INCLUDED CONSIDERATION OF ADDING RIFF-RAFF, THAT IS

01:50:41 LARGE CONCRETE MATERIAL, AND OTHER EROSION CONTROL MEASURES.

01:50:48 WE HAVE SINCE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT CONCEPT WHICH WAS FIRST

01:50:51 DEVELOPED AROUND 2012 FOR MULTITUDE OF REASONS BUT PRIMARILY

01:50:55 THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN DISRUPTIVE, AND WE NEEDED A

01:51:00 PERMANENT EASEMENT OVER WATER TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.





01:51:05 SINCE THEN, WE HAVE USED NEW MEANS AND METHODS THAT HAVE

01:51:08 BEEN IDENTIFIED WHERE RIFF-RAFF AND CONTROL WERE NEEDED.

01:51:16 WE HAVE WATER ACCESS AND PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS, WE WILL

01:51:20 CONSIDER ADDING SOME SORT OF VEGETATION AS WELL.

01:51:31 OUR CHALLENGES STILL REMAIN.

01:51:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

01:51:37 BUT AGAIN WE GET BACK DO OUR EFFORTS FOR RESILIENCY, AND I

01:51:42 WOULD JUST HOPE WE EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS.

01:51:45 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

01:51:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

01:51:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S KIND OF SCARY WHEN SOME OF THESE

01:51:54 ITEMS GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2003 WHEN I FIRST CAME ON

01:51:58 COUNCIL BECAUSE I REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION REALLY HASN'T

01:52:01 CHANGED VERY MUCH.

01:52:02 WHICH IS PRETTY SAD WITH REGARD TO WHAT MR. CHAIRMAN SAYS.

01:52:07 AND I DO GO DOWN THAT A AREA PERIODICALLY AND IT'S GETTING

01:52:12 WORSE AND WORSE.

01:52:13 WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT IN READING THE MEMO, YOU ALSO MADE

01:52:15 REFERENCE TO THE VARIOUS PRIVATE EASEMENTS.

01:52:20 I THINK THERE'S ABOUT A DOZEN OR SO.

01:52:22 AND YOU INDICATED THAT HISTORICALLY WE HADN'T RECEIVED A

01:52:27 WHOLE LOT OF COOPERATION FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.

01:52:33 BUT I GUESS WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS WHAT DOES IT GO,

01:52:41 PRIVATE PROPERTY ON THE LAND WARD SIDE AND THEN WE HAVE AN

01:52:44 EASEMENT ON THE SIDEWALK THERE, AND THEN THEIR PROPERTY





01:52:48 PICKS UP AGAIN?

01:52:49 I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PROPERTY MAP OF THIS AREA, BUT TELL ME

01:52:53 HOW THAT WORKS.

01:52:54 >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT WITH

01:52:59 DETAILS, BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THAT OPTION ANYMORE.

01:53:03 SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS MORE DESTRUCTIVE TO THE

01:53:07 NEIGHBORHOODS NEIGHBORS.

01:53:08 SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT PERMITTING EASEMENTS.

01:53:10 THAT WAS OUR INITIAL APPROACH IN 2011, 2012, AND THERE ARE A

01:53:16 COUPLE OF REASONS.

01:53:16 ONE WAS THE COST OF THOSE EASEMENTS WERE RELATIVELY HIGH TO

01:53:22 WHERE IT WOULD NOT HAVE MADE FINANCIAL SENSE THEN TO MOVE

01:53:27 FORWARD WITH THAT APPROACH, BUT NOW WE HAVE BETTER

01:53:30 INFORMATION AND BETTER METHODS TO PREVENT OR MITIGATE FOR

01:53:37 ANY KIND OF SURGE.

01:53:42 >> I REMEMBER RESEARCHING TITLE, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES

01:53:59 SPECIFIC TO THIS AREA THAT'S VERY, VERY STRANGE IS THAT THE

01:54:02 ACTUAL PORTIONS OF MACKAY BAY THAT ABUT BERMUDA BOULEVARD

01:54:08 THERE ARE PLATTED LOTS, AND THERE WAS A COURT CASE SOMETIME

01:54:13 AGO WHERE THERE WAS LITIGATION ABOUT OWNERSHIP OF THOSE

01:54:16 PLATTED LOTS.

01:54:17 AS YOU KNOW, MOST CASES WHERE YOU HAVE WATER, A GOVERNMENTAL

01:54:22 ENTITY, THE CITY OR THE STATE THAT OWNS OR CONTROLS THAT,

01:54:26 BUT BECAUSE OF SOME UNIQUE FACTORS IN THAT CASE, BUT THOSE

01:54:31 PLATTED LOTS ARE ACTUALLY OWNED BY INDIVIDUAL LAND OWNERS





01:54:35 WHO BOUGHT THEM.

01:54:35 SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAD ON THE WATER SIDE IN

01:54:39 DEALING WITH EASEMENT ISSUES, I BELIEVE.

01:54:44 THAT'S BEEN OUR CHALLENGE SINCE 2003.

01:54:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MORRIS, THANKS FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION ON

01:54:51 THAT.

01:54:51 THE THING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HAIR

01:54:54 AFTER 2003 AND SOME OF US DON'T.

01:54:56 >>MORRIS MASSEY: I AM PRETTY GRAY HAIRED SO I APPRECIATE

01:55:01 THAT.

01:55:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING ELSE ON 61, GENTLEMEN?

01:55:06 VIK, THANK YOU AS USUAL.

01:55:08 WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HELP.

01:55:12 62.

01:55:13 >>JOHN BENNETT: ONE POSTSCRIPT ON 61, IF YOU DON'T MIND

01:55:17 REAL QUICK, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PRECIPITATED THE MAYOR AND

01:55:23 SUPPORT OF THE CITY FOR ME TO GO TO THE NETHERLANDS AND LOOK

01:55:26 AT THESE SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT

01:55:30 TYPES OF SHORELINES.

01:55:32 AND I LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE COUNTRYSIDE, THE BEACH FRONTS,

01:55:38 THE CITY FRONTS, THE CITYSCAPE, CONVERSION OF STORMWATER TO

01:55:42 DUPLICATE USE, ALL THOSE THINGS AND TO VIK'S POINT, WE NEED

01:55:48 TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS FIRST FROM A SAFETY POINT OF VIEW

01:55:51 AND THEN ACCESSIBILITY AND COMMUNITY RESILIENCY POINT OF

01:55:53 VIEW, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE BROUGHT WITHIN.





01:55:58 ONE.

01:55:58 REASONS WHIT REMER WAS HIRED WAS HE HAD A REALLY CLEAR

01:56:02 UNDERSTANDING HOW TO GET OTHER MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY TO

01:56:04 DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.

01:56:06 SO LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE OF THOSE THINGS.

01:56:08 AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THIS BECOMES A HYPER FOCUS FOR THE

01:56:12 COMMUNITY.

01:56:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

01:56:16 IT'S GETTING VERY, VERY BAD.

01:56:18 I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL THEY SHOWED ME.

01:56:25 >>JOHN BENNETT: FOR 20 YEARS I HAVE RUN THAT ROUTE WITH

01:56:30 TRT.

01:56:31 IT WAS OUR PATH OUT OF THE ACADEMY.

01:56:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.

01:56:35 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FOLLOWING ON THAT.

01:56:37 WE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE SEA LEVEL RISE PROBLEM,

01:56:42 MOST OF SOUTH TAMPA IS GOING TO BE UNDERWATER IN SOME PERIOD

01:56:45 OF TIME I.DIDN'T SEE A SPECIFIC TOONS THAT QUESTION IN THE

01:56:49 RESILIENCY PLAN THE MAYOR PUT OUT THE OTHER DAY. IS THERE A

01:56:52 SEPARATE PLAN THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT TO SPECIFICALLY

01:56:54 ADDRESS WHAT YOU TO DO WITH SEAWALLS AND WHAT TO DO WITH

01:56:58 AREAS LIKE SOUTH TAMPA THAT DON'T HAVE SEAWALLS?

01:57:03 >>JOHN BENNETT: SURE.

01:57:04 AND I THINK, COUNCILMAN, THE FOCUS ON THAT WAS WHEN THE 58

01:57:08 ITEMS WERE PUT INTO THAT, PART OF THAT WAS ONE THAT WE BUILT





01:57:12 THE PLAN UNDER THE CAROLE POST AREA ACTUALLY BUILT THE

01:57:15 PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH A DIRECTOR TO MOVE IN THOSE

01:57:18 DIRECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREAS ARE TAKEN CARE OF

01:57:21 AND WE ARE LOOKING AT SEA LEVEL RISE.

01:57:23 THAT'S DEFINITELY ON THE AGENDA.

01:57:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN?

01:57:30 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M JUST CURIOUS, SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED

01:57:33 TALKING ABOUT ON COUNCIL ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, AND I AM GLAD

01:57:36 YOU ALL HIRED WHIT AND HE'S LOOKING AT IT AND I KNOW OTHER

01:57:40 DEPARTMENTS ARE.

01:57:40 BUT WE HAVE LOTS OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE ASKING QUESTIONS

01:57:43 ABOUT IT SO WHEN MIGHT WE HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT?

01:57:46 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION I WILL BE

01:57:49 HAPPY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO COUNCIL.

01:57:52 IF YOU WANT A SPECIFIC MOTION ON THAT ISSUE --

01:57:58 >>BILL CARLSON: TO DO WITH SEA LEVEL RISE RELATED TO OUR

01:58:01 COASTLINE.

01:58:02 >>JOHN BENNETT: OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE.

01:58:05 IT'S PART OF A LONG RANGE PLAN PROCESS.

01:58:08 I AM JUST GLAD THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION, THIS COUNCIL HAS

01:58:10 TAKEN THE LEAD ON THAT.

01:58:11 BUT I GUESS WHAT I AM ASKING TO BE MORE SPECIFIC NO

01:58:13 RESPONSE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT A MOTION FOR TO BRING

01:58:19 BACK A REPORT.

01:58:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU WANT TO DO IT HOW LONG?





01:58:24 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

01:58:25 >>JEAN DUNCAN: CHIEF, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THE STAFF,

01:58:34 RANDY GOERS, HE'S LEADING A SEA LEVEL RISE STUDY THAT WE

01:58:38 RECEIVED GRANTS FUNDING FOR, AND WE WOULD BE GLAD TO CHECK

01:58:41 ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THAT EFFORTS AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL

01:58:46 THE STATUS OF HOW THAT'S GOING, AND THEN WHEN WE WOULD

01:58:50 ULTIMATELY HAVE MORE OF A FINISHED PRODUCT OR A DRAFT

01:58:53 PRODUCT TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL.

01:58:55 SO WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK AND GIVE

01:59:03 YOU A STATUS OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT SEA LEVEL RISE STUDY.

01:59:06 >> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?

01:59:09 >>JOHN BENNETT: NO, WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT A MOTION.

01:59:11 I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU NEEDED A SPECIFIC RESPONSE.

01:59:14 AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

01:59:15 THANK YOU TO MS. DUNCAN FOR THAT FOLLOW-UP.

01:59:17 BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY THE PLANNING WHICH IS LED BY

01:59:20 RANDY GOERS.

01:59:23 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SO WE CAN ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC WHAT'S

01:59:27 GOING TO HAPPEN TO PROPERTY VALUES, SHOULD I BUY A HOUSE

01:59:29 THIS NEAR BAYSHORE, IS IT GOING TO BE FLOODED OR NOT?

01:59:33 >>JOHN BENNETT ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR WHERE WE

01:59:36 ARE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET THAT WITHOUT A MOTION.

01:59:40 >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF, SHOULD I

01:59:46 SAY MS. DUNCAN OR RANDY?

01:59:52 >> RANDY GOERS, PLANNING DEPARTMENT.





01:59:55 >>BILL CARLSON: TORE ASK STAFF TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND

01:59:57 REPORT ON WHEN -- THE STATUS OF THE SEA LEVEL RISE PLAN, AND

02:00:07 WHEN THE PROPOSAL -- WHEN THE PROPOSALS MIGHT BE DELIVERED.

02:00:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION, PLEASE.

02:00:15 MARTIN SHELBY.

02:00:17 I'M SORRY.

02:00:18 QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE MOTION, IS THERE A REQUEST FOR A

02:00:24 WRITTEN REPORT OR IS AN APPEARANCE GOING TO BE NECESSARY?

02:00:28 >>BILL CARLSON: APPEARANCE.

02:00:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOW MUCH TIME IS NECESSARY FOR THAT?

02:00:31 MAYBE MRS. DUNCAN WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE AS TO

02:00:35 HOW LONG THIS WOULD BE.

02:00:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MRS. DUNCAN?

02:00:41 >>JEAN DUNCAN: A STAFF REPORT IN THAT USUAL PERIOD OF TIME,

02:00:47 AND IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN ALSO REFERENCE ANY UPDATES THAT

02:00:50 THEY ARE POSTING ON THE WEBSITE CURRENTLY.

02:00:52 SO A SHORTER PRESENTATION IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING --

02:01:01 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU WANT A DATE?

02:01:03 IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE PRETTY BUSY UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

02:01:05 SHOULD I SAY SEPTEMBER 2nd?

02:01:07 IS THAT TOO FAR OUT?

02:01:15 >>JOHN BENNETT: I THINK THAT WOULD WORK WELL.

02:01:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

02:01:27 >>BILL CARLSON: SEPTEMBER 23rd WORKSHOP?

02:01:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DOES THAT WORK, MADAM CLERK?





02:01:34 >>THE CLERK: ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN DATE?

02:01:42 AT 11 A.M.?

02:01:44 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT?

02:01:46 OKAY.

02:01:46 >> SECOND.

02:01:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SEPTEMBER 23rd, 11 A.M., AT A

02:01:52 WORKSHOP?

02:01:53 MR. CARLSON?

02:01:55 >>BILL CARLSON: GREAT.

02:01:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED THE MOTION.

02:02:00 ANY OPPOSED?

02:02:00 MOTION CARRIES.

02:02:02 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU TO CHIEF BENNETT AND MS. DUNCAN.

02:02:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, JEAN.

02:02:08 ITEM 62.

02:02:10 >> JOHN BENNETT CHIEF OF STAFF COMING BACK ON ITEM 62.

02:02:14 JUST TO KEEP THINGS FLOWING, I DID SEE THE MEMORANDUM FROM

02:02:17 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S OFFICE.

02:02:22 MYSELF, OBVIOUSLY OUR AUDIT DIRECTOR CHRISTINE GLOVER AND

02:02:27 OUR CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES IS ON STANDBY TO SUPPORT

02:02:32 ANYTHING EITHER WITHIN THAT MEMO OR BEYOND THAT MEMO ON THIS

02:02:35 ITEM.

02:02:37 SO WE'LL STAND BY.

02:02:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

02:02:48 I THINK KIND OF CRAFT IT DOWN WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.





02:02:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO DRAFT AN

02:03:06 ORDINANCE.

02:03:06 I THINK THE LATEST DRAFT IS FEBRUARY, CHRISTINE?

02:03:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MRS. GLOVER?

02:03:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THEN MOVE FORWARD SETTING THAT FOR

02:03:16 FIRST READING TWO WEEKS FROM NOW?

02:03:19 AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT MY COLLEAGUES SUGGESTIONS AND ANY

02:03:26 OTHER COUNCIL'S SUGGESTIONS.

02:03:30 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER: INTERNAL AUDIT DIRECTOR.

02:03:35 YES, SIR.

02:03:35 THE LATEST DRAFT WAS FEBRUARY.

02:03:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO WE ARE SAYING YOU WANT TO GO THE LAST

02:03:46 HALF OF FEBRUARY AND PUT IT OFF FOR FIRST READING.

02:03:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

02:03:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

02:03:52 MRS. GLOVER, I WANT YOU TO COVER SOME NUTS AND BOLTS.

02:03:57 IT'S BEEN A LONG WHILE NOW.

02:03:59 YOU HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONTINUANCES I DO WANT TO PUT IT TO BED

02:04:02 TODAY.

02:04:03 SO IF WE CAN KIND OF GOING OVER THE LOGISTICS.

02:04:06 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER: YES, SIR.

02:04:07 THANK YOU.

02:04:08 I'M PREPARED TO DO -- WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON JANUARY 28th.

02:04:12 A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE WORKSHOP.

02:04:15 ONE OF THE THINGS WE WENT OVER IS WE DO HAVE A HIGHLY





02:04:18 CREDENTIALED STAFF WITH CERTIFICATIONS, AND THEY HAVE

02:04:22 STANDARDS THEY HAVE TO MEET AND COMPLY WITH IN ORDER TO

02:04:26 MAINTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATIONS IN THE INTERNAL AUDIT FEEL.

02:04:30 WE ALSO COMPLY WITH GOVERNMENT AUDIT STANDARDS, AND WE ARE

02:04:33 REQUIRED TO DO THAT AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR ALL THE

02:04:37 PROCESSES, INDEPENDENT, AND WE MUST BE FREE FROM

02:04:41 POLITICAL -- ET CETERA.

02:04:45 IT'S CALLED THE YELLOW BOOK.

02:04:47 WE ALSO GET A PEER REVIEW FROM A TEAM ACROSS THE COUNTRY

02:04:51 EVERY THREE YEARS WHO CONFIRM THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH

02:04:56 THE GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS.

02:04:59 WE ARE DUE FOR A PEER REVIEW IN 2020 FOR THE PREVIOUS

02:05:03 THREE-YEAR PERIOD BUT OF COURSE WAS DELAYED DUE TO THE

02:05:06 PANDEMIC.

02:05:07 I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION LAST WEEK WITH SOMEONE THAT WE

02:05:12 WOULD HAVE THAT PEER REVIEW THIS YEAR.

02:05:14 SO ONE OF THE THINGS I COVERED WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR AUDIT

02:05:19 DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, A LOT OF PEOPLE COPYING OUR

02:05:25 PROCESS, CERTAINLY IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA, PASCO COUNTY, CITY

02:05:28 OF ST. PETERSBURG, SO WHEN THEY COME AND DOO DO THE PEER

02:05:32 REVIEW THEY LIKE OUR APPROACH, DOING SOME THINGS THAT

02:05:36 COPYING.

02:05:36 IF WE HAVE A PEER REVIEW AND ARE FOUND NOT TO BE IN

02:05:40 COMPLAINS, IT'S GOING TO LOOK PRETTY BAD FOR THE CITY OF

02:05:42 TAMPA SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WE STAY WITHIN THAT RANGE.





02:05:46 NOW, OUR UNIVERSE WHICH IS A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE

02:05:50 COULD POSSIBLY AUDIT IN THE CITY, AND THAT'S PART OF THE

02:05:54 WORKSHOP.

02:05:54 I GAVE YOU ALL A COPY OF THAT LIST.

02:05:56 IT'S OVER 160 ITEMS.

02:05:59 WHEN WE ARE FULLY STAFFED, WE CAN DO 15 TO 20 AUDITS IN A

02:06:03 YEAR.

02:06:04 AND SO AT THAT POINT RATE IT WOULD TAKE US NINE YEARS TO

02:06:07 AUDIT EVERYTHING IN THE CITY.

02:06:10 NOW, TO TAKE A RISK BASED APPROACH, THE WAY WE DO THAT, AND

02:06:17 IT'S A PROCESS WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF RIGHT NOW.

02:06:19 I START OUT BY MEETING WITH ALL OF THE KEY MANAGEMENT,

02:06:23 PERSONS AT THE CITY, DIRECTORS AND ABOVE, ONE ON ONE.

02:06:26 AND WHEN I MEET WITH THEM, I GO WITH THEIR PORTION OF THE

02:06:30 AUDIT UNIVERSE, EVERYTHING THAT I CAN AUDIT WITHIN THEIR

02:06:34 AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY.

02:06:35 WE DISCUSS IT.

02:06:36 WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO IT.

02:06:37 IF WE NEED TO, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST AUDITS IF

02:06:41 THEY LIKE.

02:06:42 AND MANY TIMES WE DO GET REQUESTS FOR AUDIT.

02:06:45 I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS BACK, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, I

02:06:49 WENT OUT AND I CAME BACK AFTER I DID ALL MY MEETINGS.

02:06:52 I HAD REQUESTS FOR 26 UNITS.

02:06:54 REMEMBER I SAID I COULD ONLY DO 15 OR 20.





02:06:57 SO WE DO GET REQUESTS FROM MANAGEMENT.

02:06:59 AT THAT POINT AFTER I HAVE ALL THOSE MEETINGS, WE HAVE A

02:07:03 TOOL THAT WE USE.

02:07:04 WE CALL IT A RISK ASSESSMENT TOOL.

02:07:07 WE TAKE EVERY ITEM, MY STAFF AND I, TAKE EVERY TIME ON THAT

02:07:11 AUDIT UNIVERSE AND WE RATE IT.

02:07:13 AND WE RATE IT 1 THROUGH 4, AND THE FACTOR, EACH FACTOR ON

02:07:20 THERE, AND THE WAY THE TOOL IS SET UP, THE GREATER THE

02:07:23 SCORE, THE GREATER THE RISK IS FOR THE CITY.

02:07:26 SO WE DEVELOP AN AUDIT PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR,

02:07:30 AFTER WE COMPLETE THAT RISK ASSESSMENT AND THOSE MANAGEMENT

02:07:34 MEETINGS, AND IT'S BASED ON MANAGEMENT REQUESTS, THE RISK

02:07:38 ASSESSMENT, THE RESULTS THAT ARE RISK ASSESSMENT, AND MAKING

02:07:42 SURE WE HAVE COVERAGE ACROSS THE CITY.

02:07:44 AND ONE OF THE WAYS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE COVERAGE ACROSS THE

02:07:47 CITY, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS I

02:07:52 WAS HERE WITH THE CITY WE DIDN'T DO ANY AWED TIPPING IN

02:07:55 PARKS AND REC OR THE CONVENTION CENTER.

02:07:59 WE HAVE KIND OF GET AROUND TO EVERYTHING PERIODICALLY.

02:08:02 ONCE THAT PLAN IS DEVELOPED, A PROPOSED AUDIT PLAN FOR THE

02:08:07 UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, I SUBMIT THAT TO THE MAYOR FOR

02:08:09 APPROVAL.

02:08:10 AND IN ALL THE YEARS I HAVE BEEN DOING THAT, EIGHT YEARS,

02:08:15 HERE WITH THE CITY, ONE TIME THE MAYOR ADDED SOMETHING, BUT

02:08:18 THE MAYOR NEVER TOOK ANYTHING AWAY.





02:08:21 AND THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.

02:08:22 SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET

02:08:27 COUNCIL IN THAT PROCESS.

02:08:28 BUT THIS YEAR I BACKED UP 30 DAYS.

02:08:30 NORMALLY, I GET A PROPOSED PLAN TO THE MAYOR BY AUGUST.

02:08:34 I AM GOING TO GIVE TO THE HER BY JULY THIS YEAR.

02:08:37 I HAVE GOT ONE MORE MEETING TO HAVE, TEN AND THAT'S NEXT

02:08:42 WEEK AND MY STAFF AND I ARE GOING TO START DOING THE RISK

02:08:45 ASSESSMENT NEXT WEEK AS WELL.

02:08:47 SO I PLAN TO GET SOMETHING TO THE MAYOR, PROPOSED PLAN, IF

02:08:52 WE CAN GET COUNCIL IN ON THAT.

02:08:54 AND THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF HOW WE DEVELOP THE AUDIT PLAN.

02:08:58 BUT EACH YEAR.

02:09:00 AND SO TO F I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS I WILL BE

02:09:05 HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANYTHING I CAN.

02:09:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE

02:09:09 I ASK QUESTIONS.

02:09:11 >> I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CHRISTINE'S OFFICE WHEN I FIRST

02:09:14 GOT HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE VALUE OF WHAT SHE DOES AND

02:09:20 ONE OF THE FIRST REQUESTS I BROUGHT TO THE ADMINISTRATION

02:09:22 WAS TO INCREASE HER STAFF TO CONTINUE TO DO THE AUDIT

02:09:29 UNIVERSE SHE TALKED ABOUT, AND IT WHATS APPROVED BY COUNCIL,

02:09:32 INCREASE HER OFFICE BY 20%.

02:09:34 BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WE ARE GIVING A VERY HOLISTIC LOOK

02:09:38 TO HER OFFICE BECAUSE DESPITE ALL THE GOOD LEADERSHIP AND





02:09:41 WORK WE TEND TO BE LOSING FOLKS THAT CHRISTINE IS TRAINING

02:09:44 TO THIS HIGH LEVEL AND GETTING CERTIFIED TO OTHER OUTSIDE

02:09:48 ENTITIES THAT ARE EITHER IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR LARGER

02:09:51 GOVERNMENT SECTORS.

02:09:52 SO WE HAVE GOT OUR WORK TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE

02:09:55 SUSTAINABILITY IN HER OFFICE AS WELL.

02:09:57 JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS.

02:10:02 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER: AND CHIEF BENNETT IS CORRECT, MAYOR

02:10:05 CASTOR TAKING OFFICE, I LOST A POSITION IN THE BUDGET

02:10:09 CUTTING PROCESS.

02:10:10 SO IN ACTUALITY IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ME 12 YEARS AT THAT

02:10:14 STAFF SIZE.

02:10:15 AND SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY DID WHEN THEY CAME BACK

02:10:18 WAS GIVE ME THAT HEAD COUNTS BACK.

02:10:20 BUT HE'S CORRECT.

02:10:21 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THEY ARE STEALING OUR PEOPLE LEFT AND

02:10:28 RIGHT.

02:10:29 AND IT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE GOOD QUALITY AND WELL TRAINED

02:10:32 PEOPLE, AND THESE FOLKS' POCKETS ARE DEEPER THAN OURS.

02:10:36 BUT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD STAFF HERE, SHORT NOW BECAUSE OF

02:10:39 THE FACT THAT WE HAD SOMEBODY LEAVE THE LAST TWO MONTHS, ONE

02:10:44 EACH MONTH.

02:10:44 BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING THOSE INDIVIDUALS,

02:10:50 BUT IT TAKES TIME TO GET THEM TRAINED UP.

02:10:53 BUT ALSO IN THE INTERIM, WE HAD AN AUDIT FIRM THAT WE WORKED





02:10:58 WITH WHEN WE WERE SHORT STAFFED, AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO

02:11:01 SOME AUDITS FOR US OVER THE SUMMER.

02:11:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME UP HERE

02:11:07 AS WELL, SIR, TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE --

02:11:16 AND MR. DINGFELDER HAS BEEN TALKING GOING BACK AND FORTH AND

02:11:19 WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO PUT THIS TO BED MAKING SU