CITY OF TAMPA
THURSDAY, JUNE 3, 2021
9:00 A.M.
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>>ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCIL MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER, 9:00.
MR. CITRO, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION THIS MORNING,
SIR.
08:59:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THIS MORNING'S INVOCATION BY PASTOR GABRIEL MORGAN.
THE PASTOR IS THE PARISH PASTOR OF ST. PAUL LUTHERAN CHURCH
ON CENTRAL AVENUE, AND FAITH LUTHERAN ON NORTH FLORIDA
AVENUE.
HE IS A GRADUATE OF UNION THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN NEW YORK
CITY.
HE RECEIVED HIS MASTERS OF DIVINITY DEGREE THERE AND HOLDS A
DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY DEGREE FROM THE LUTHERAN THEOLOGICAL
SEMINARY OF PHILADELPHIA.
ORIGINALLY FROM TAMPA, GABRIEL WAS ALSO AN ALUM OF THE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA -- GO BULLS!
-- WITH A BACHELOR OF PHILOSOPHY.
HE AND HIS WIFE ERIN LIVE IN SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
PASTOR, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND
EVERYBODY COULD PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:00:48 >> BLESSED ARE YOU LOVING CREATOR AND GOVERNOR OF THE
UNIVERSE.
YOU'VE WRITTEN YOUR LAW OF LOVE ON EVERY HUMAN HEART, AND
YOU CALL OUT TO ALL PEOPLE THROUGH THE VOICE OF WISDOM IN
MANY RELIGIONS AND PHILOSOPHIES.
GRANT THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY.
THAT THEIR DELIBERATIONS MAY REFLECT YOUR DESIRE FOR THE
PEACE AND WELL-BEING OF ALL.
GRANT THEM A SPIRIT OF LOVE, THAT THEY MIGHT NOT INSIST ON
THEIR OWN WAY BUT INSTEAD HAVE CLARITY ABOUT THE NEEDS OF
THOSE THEY ARE ELECTED TO SERVE.
FINALLY, GRANT EACH OF US YOUR SPIRIT OF HUMILITY SO THAT WE
GROW TO VIEW THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY NOT IN TEMPLES WHAT
WE HAVE ACHIEVED -- TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED BUT IN
TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE SUFFERED.
I ASK THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, THE ONE WHO SUFFERED
FOR OTHERS.
EN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:01:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PASTOR MORGAN, I THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:01:50 >> THANK YOU.
GOD BLESS.
09:01:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:01:53 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:01:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:01:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.
09:01:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:01:59 >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
09:02:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:02:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:02:03 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:02:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.
LET'S GO THROUGH THE AGENDA PLEASE, SIR.
09:02:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I BEGIN WITH A FEW COMMENTS, MR.
CHAIRMAN?
09:02:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR, YOU MAY.
09:02:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TODAY'S MEETING IS HELD DURING THE COVID-19
STATE OF EMERGENCY, AND IT'S BEING CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE
IN-PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL
CHAMBERS.
HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS, MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY
THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA
STATUTES AND RULES AS COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY, OR
CMT.
THESE MEETINGS ARE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY
RULES OF PROCEDURE AS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION
NUMBER 2020-229 AS AMENDED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020-490 AND
RESOLUTION 2021-241.
THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO
WATCH, LISTEN, AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL
640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15, AND ON THE INTERNET AT
TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE THROUGH
MULTIPLE MEANS IN THIS MEETING, WRITTEN COMMENTS, BY THE
INTERNET OR WEB, WRITTEN COMMENTS BY E-MAIL.
WRITTEN COMMENTS BY U.S. MAIL.
ALSO, TO SPEAK REMOTELY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WITH THE USE
OF CMT, AND THAT REQUIRES PREREGISTERING, AND THAT IS
AVAILABLE AT TAMPA.GOV/PUBLICCOMMENT.
AND THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEB PAGE,
THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL, ONE
WORD.
NOW, FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE
REMOTELY, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC
DURING THIS MEETING COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY ON THE
SECOND FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL AT 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
AND PLEASE NOTE THAT THE USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING
INSIDE THE BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED.
NOW, THERE ARE LAND USE HEARINGS TODAY, AND THOSE REQUIRE,
IF YOU WISH TO APPEAR REMOTELY, WILL REQUIRE PREREGISTRATION
PRIOR TO TODAY.
NOW, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO A PUBLIC HEARING WILL
BE HEARD WHEN IT APPEARS ON THE AGENDA.
ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS MUST BE RECEIVED NO LATER THAN 24 HOURS
PRIOR TO THE HEARING TO BE DISTRIBUTED TIMELY TO CITY
COUNCIL AND MADE PART OF THE PERMANENT RECORD OF
QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS.
NOW, PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED TIMELY BY MAIL, E-MAIL, WEB,
OR VIA CMT WILL BE AFFORDED EQUAL CONSIDERATION AS IF THE
PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE MADE IN PERSON.
FINALLY, FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE PARTICIPATING
ON THE VIRTUAL PLATFORM, GO TO MEETING, PLEASE BE REMINDED
THAT THE CHAT BOX IS NOT TO BE USED FOR COMMUNICATIONS WITH
MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
ITS ONLY PURPOSE IS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS TECHNICAL ISSUES.
SO, AGAIN, PLEASE DO NOT COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE CHAT BOX
EXCEPT TO REPORT TECHNICAL CONCERNS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:05:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, FOR NOTATION, MR. VIERA WILL BE HERE IN
ABOUT 20 MINUTES.
FOR THE RECORD, HE WILL BE HERE.
LET'S GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE
ADDENDUM, PLEASE?
WALK-ON ITEM BY COUNCILMAN CITRO, ACCOMMODATION.
09:05:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA
PER DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR.
09:05:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
09:05:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALSO, I BELIEVE THERE IS A REQUEST FROM
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO REMOVE ITEM -- EXCUSE ME, TO
PULL ITEM 30 FOR DISCUSSION UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
IS THAT CORRECT?
09:05:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
09:05:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
28 IS A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN
FILED WITH THE CLERK.
09:06:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
GENTLEMEN, JUST A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.
IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION IN REFERENCE TO SOME COUNCIL
MEMBERS GRUMBLING A LITTLE BIT AND ALSO THE CLERK'S OFFICE,
MR. SHELBY, IN REFERENCE TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AS IT
RELATES TO INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL'S BUSINESS FOR CITY
COUNCIL MEETING.
I HAVE ASKED MR. SHELBY TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE RULE IS ON
THAT SO IF YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THAT NOW, MR. SHELBY,
PLEASE.
09:06:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
CHAIRMAN GUDES IS MAKING REFERENCE TO RULE 7A UNDER YOUR
GENERAL POLICIES OF RULES OF PROCEDURE, AND IT STATES AS
FOLLOWS: ALL PETITIONS, COMMUNICATIONS, STAFF REPORTS,
RESOLUTIONS, ORDINANCES AND OTHER MATTERS INTENDED FOR THE
CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE FILED WITH THE
OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK ON OR BEFORE 2 P.M. ON THE THURSDAY
PRIOR TO THE MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE CITY CLERK IN TURN SHALL ASSIGN SUCH PETITIONS,
COMMUNICATIONS, RESOLUTIONS, ORDINANCES, AND OTHER MATTERS
TO THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT WITHIN THE AGENDA TAKING
INTO CONSIDERATION THE REQUEST MADE AT THE TIME OF PLACEMENT
ON THE AGENDA.
ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS RELATED TO FEES ARE TO BE PLACED
UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
THAT IS THE RULE, SIR.
7A.
09:07:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
I'LL HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL.
MR. DINGFELDER.
09:07:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, SIR.
09:07:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL, REQUEST THE
ADMINISTRATION TO HEAR THE RULE 7A MOVING FORWARD,
INCLUDING PowerPoint PRESENTATIONS THAT SUPPORT CITY
COUNCIL IN HAVING TIMELY INFORMATION PRIOR TO ITS MEETINGS
FOR DISCUSSION, DELIBERATIONS AND DECISIONS.
IF I CAN GET A SECOND.
09:07:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
09:07:57 >>BILL CARLSON:
I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
I HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE ALTHOUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS
ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, I HAVE TO
READ IT ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
SOMETIMES I HAVE TO READ IT TWICE.
LIKE NUMBER 28 WAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY YESTERDAY.
I THINK AT LIKE 4:00.
IF ANY OF US HAD EVENTS ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, IT WOULD BE
DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY FOR THE
PUBLIC.
LAST WEEK, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION ON TOILET TO TAP, AND IT
WASN'T HERE UNTIL WAY LATE, AND THERE WASN'T EVEN AN AGENDA
ITEM FOR IT.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO
INFORMATION.
THANK YOU.
09:08:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY UNDERSTANDING, YEARS AGO, MR. MIRANDA
WAS CHAIR, AND MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. MIRANDA WAS A STICKLER
ON GETTING THOSE ITEMS IN A TIMELY FASHION, I'VE HEARD.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADHERING TO THE POLICY.
WE KNOW SOMETIMES THERE WILL BE SITUATIONS AND WE CAN LOOK
AT THOSE SITUATIONS AS THEY ARISE.
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS BEING ABLE TO
DO THEIR JOB AS WELL.
GET A LITTLE FRUSTRATED OVER THERE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THIS
HOUSE.
I THINK, MR. DINGFELDER, YOU DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON.
09:09:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
09:09:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COULD YOU DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT,
PLEASE, SIR?
09:09:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
MADAM CLERK.
09:09:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:09:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:09:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
09:09:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
09:09:24 >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
09:09:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
09:09:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:09:27 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT.
09:09:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.
WE HAVE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME.
I ALREADY SEE THE YOUNG LADY FROM THE ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES
ARE ALREADY INSIDE THE ROOM.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, GENTLEMEN, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2 AND
THEN COME BACK TO 1 AND THEN 3 FOR CITRO.
MR. MIRANDA.
09:09:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SAVING TIME I'M GOING TO FOLLOW COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA DOWN THERE.
WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
09:10:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CAN THOSE ACADEMY GIRLS HEAR US IN THERE.
LET'S SEE SOME ENTHUSIASM, GIRLS!
[ CHEERING ]
09:10:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I SAW YOU GUYS OUTSIDE AND IT LOOKED LIKE
YOU WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME.
[ LAUGHTER ]
09:10:24 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I NEED TO GO DOWN IN A MINUTE.
09:10:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE'LL WAIT UNTIL MR. MIRANDA COMES UP AND
YOU CAN GO DOWN SO WE KEEP A QUORUM.
JUST HOLD ON, COACH.
WE'RE WAITING FOR MR. MIRANDA TO GET DOWN THERE TO DO WHAT
HE DOES BEST.
I SEE HIM IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
09:10:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
GOOD MORNING.
IT'S MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO BE HERE WITH THE CHAMPIONS
OF THE 2021 SOFTBALL SEASON 3-A CHAMPIONSHIP FROM THE
ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES.
THEIR SCHOOL IS ONE OF GREAT LEGEND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IN
ACADEMIA, AND STARTED IN 1881 UNDER MAYOR NAMED GEORGE
BOSCOM SPARKMAN WHO WAS THE MAYOR AND HE CUT THE RIBBON.
AND I WAS THERE HOLDING THE RIBBON.
MR. VARGAS, I'VE KNOWN YOU SINCE YOU WERE A LITTLE YOUNG
BOY.
AND YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR FATHER WERE TEAMMATES OF MINE IN
HIGH SCHOOL AND YOUR FATHER HAD THE DISTINCTION OF CATCHING
MY FIRST PITCH IN CUBA THAT THEY HIT FOR A HOME RUN.
09:11:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU KNOW YOU WERE THE LEGEND.
09:11:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
COOL, YOU HAVE TO ADMIT.
LET ME SAY THIS, I KNOW THAT YOUR SCHOOL PRINCIPAL IS NOT
HERE TODAY.
STEPHANIE, AND I TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR. SPARKMAN AND MR.
VARGAS, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANT TO PLAY THE VIDEO
FIRST SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE HERE
AND HOW THEY GOT HERE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY INCREDIBLE.
AND WHAT THESE YOUNG LADIES HAVE DONE CANNOT BE DUPLICATED.
ONLY BY THEM.
CAN YOU PLEASE PLAY THE VIDEO?
09:12:11 >> WE CAME INTO THE INNING DOWN --
09:12:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET'S REPLAY THAT AGAIN SO MR. VARGAS CAN
NARRATE WHAT HAPPENED.
09:12:30 >> WE CAME DOWN IN THAT INNING, DOWN A RUN, AND IT WAS A
TIGHT GAME THROUGHOUT.
WE WERE GOING UP AGAINST A WINDEMERE PREP TEAM THAT HAD BEEN
25 AND 1 BUT DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO PLAY A TEAM LIKE US
YET.
COMING INTO THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE 7th INNING AFTER DOWN
3-2, THE CONFIDENCE THE COACHING STAFF AND THE GIRLS HAD AND
BEING ABLE TO COME OUT, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE IT WAS GOING TO
HAPPEN.
IT WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT.
SO THE CONFIDENCE OF THE KIDS AND THE COACHING STAFF REALLY
PAID OFF, AND, OBVIOUSLY, THE EXECUTION OF THAT REALLY WAS
THE KEY.
BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CELEBRATION LIKE THAT IN ACADEMY SINCE
1996.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE END RESULT HERE, IT WAS INCREDIBLY
SPECIAL MOMENT AND ONE THAT WE'LL NEVER FORGET AS ATHLETIC
DEPARTMENT, AS A COACHING STAFF OR, OBVIOUSLY, AS A GROUP OF
YOUNG LADIES WHO WILL BE ENTRENCHED IN HISTORY TOGETHER FOR
THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
09:13:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU CAN SEE WHY AND HOW, NOT ABOUT THE
INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERISTICS OR THE ABILITY OF EACH PLAYER, IT
IS THE ABILITY AND CHARACTERISTIC TO MAKE A TEAM TO WIN THE
GAME.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BY EVIDENCE HERE HOW THERE WAS A LITTLE
MISTAKE MADE ON THE FIELD BY THE OPPOSITION AND THAT RUNNER
NOTICED THAT AND KEPT HEADING FOR HOME AND BEAT THE THROW.
THAT'S WHAT WINNING AND LOSING IS ALL ABOUT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WINNER AND A LOSER?
A LOSER FALLS AND NEVER GETS UP.
A WINNER FALLS AND GETS UP.
AND IF HE OR SHE FALLS AGAIN, THEY GET UP AGAIN AND KEEP
TRYING.
AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WHEN YOU ARE A WINNER, YOU HAVE
FALLEN BEFORE, AND YOU GET UP AND GO OUT AND DO WHAT YOU
HAVE TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT THESE YOUNG LADIES ACCOMPLISHED.
[ APPLAUSE ]
NOW FOR THE CERTIFICATES THAT WE HAVE HERE.
THE FIRST ONE TO KEVIN VARGAS, THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR.
09:14:37 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:14:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH PINS JUST FOR THE
TEAM.
THOSE PINS ARE ABOUT 40 YEARS OLD.
WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY IN A LONG TIME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MARY FOUND THEM, BUT SHE FOUND THEM.
THE HEAD COACH, JEFF CROOM.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS?
I KNOW THE MIKE GETS YOU SCARED.
WE MUST BE RELATED.
[ LAUGHTER ]
ASSISTANT COACH MICHAEL VALDEZ.
[ APPLAUSE ]
ELISE COURTNEY.
SAMANTHA MILLER.
[ APPLAUSE ]
SAMANTHA, CAN YOU COME UP FOR A SECOND?
SAMANTHA IS A UNIQUE PLAYER THAT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.
SHE GOT A SCHOLARSHIP AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.
I CAN'T EVEN SPELL THE WORD "GEORGETOWN."
SAMANTHA NOT ONLY GOT A SCHOLARSHIP, SHE WAS A STAR ATHLETE
A YEAR BEFORE SHE GRADUATED AS A SENIOR.
AS I RECALL FROM WHAT I'VE READ -- NOT THAT I RECALL IT, I
READ IT.
YOU WERE DOING VIDEO GRAPHING AND UNDERSTANDING UNIVERSITY
OF GEORGETOWN.
YOU WERE TAKING YOUR FIRST CLASS AT HOME.
HOWEVER, YOU FELT YOU HAD TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO THE
TEAM, SO YOU WENT BACK AND BECAME AN ASSISTANT COACH WHILE
GOING TO COLLEGE AT THE SAME TIME A THOUSAND MILES AWAY FROM
YOUR SCHOOL.
AND YOU DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU GOT PAID FOR IT.
YOU'RE DOING IT BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO GIVE BACK FROM WHAT
YOU LEARNED.
THANK GOD.
LOOK AT ALL THESE PLAYERS THAT LEARNED SOMETHING FROM YOU
AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOU TO SIT OUT A YEAR BECAUSE OF
COVID-19 AND COME BACK AND GO COACH EXACTLY WHERE YOU
PLAYED.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
09:16:33 >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
09:16:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND THE TEAM SUPPORTS THAT, FOR DONALD
SHAFER, KRISTA SEVRINI.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
THIS IS THE FIRST CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 1996.
THERE WERE ONLY THREE OTHER CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE SCHOOL'S
140 YEARS OF BEING THERE.
ONE WAS IN BASKETBALL IN 1996.
AND THE LADY WHO WAS ON THAT STAFF IS NOW WHAT?
WHERE IS SHE AT?
I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
SHE WAS A STAR BASKETBALL PLAYER IN 1996.
CHARISSE.
SHE IS NOW THE HEAD OF WHAT?
09:17:22 >> PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
09:17:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU
WORK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE JOB YOU'RE DOING.
YOU'VE BEEN DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.
I WANT YOU TO PLAY JOHN BENNETT ONE DAY BECAUSE I KNOW YOU
CAN BEAT HIM.
09:17:36 >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:17:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE WANT WITNESSES TO BE THERE, TOO.
THE OTHER WAS IN VOLLEYBALL BACK IN 1970.
THIS IS THE FIRST EVER THAT THE SCHOOL FROM 140 YEARS IN
EXISTENCE HAS WON A CHAMPIONSHIP IN SOFTBALL, LADIES'
SOFTBALL.
IT'S A MARVELOUS THING, NOT BECAUSE YOU WON IT, BUT BECAUSE
YOU PLAYED AS A TEAM AND THE RESULTS ARE THERE.
15 LADIES ON THE TEAM.
SEVEN ARE SENIORS.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE SENIORS COME UP AND WE'LL GIVE THE --
WHEN YOU COME UP, SAY YOUR NAME AND WHAT COLLEGE YOU'RE
GOING TO.
09:18:14 >> I'LL START.
I'M DEVON.
GOING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
09:18:19 >> I'M CHASE.
I'M GOING TO FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY.
09:18:23 >> I'M ZADA.
GOING TO ST. MARY'S NOTRE DAME.
09:18:28 >> I'M AUDREY.
I'M GOING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA.
09:18:32 >> I'M RACHEL.
AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDENCE COLLEGE.
09:18:37 >> I'M BELLHAM GOING TO FLORIDA SOUTHWESTERN.
09:18:40 >> I'M KEIRA, GOING TO VILLANOVA UNIVERSITY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
09:18:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS MAKES A VERY WELL FEELING THAT NOT
ONLY ARE THEY GREAT ATHLETES, THEY ARE ALSO VERY
ECONOMICALLY PREPARED FOR WHAT'S COMING, THE WORLD THEY ARE
GOING TO FACE.
NOW THE REST OF THE TEAM, PLEASE.
THESE ARE NOT THE REST OF THE TEAM.
THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE SENIORS.
09:19:13 >> I'M LUCY.
I'M A JUNIOR.
09:19:17 >> I'M AMBER TORRES.
I'M A SOPHOMORE.
09:19:21 >> I'M KAVIN THIES, AND I'M A SOPHOMORE.
09:19:24 >> MAZY AND I'M A FRESHMAN.
09:19:26 >> I'M GENEVIEVE.
I'M A SOPHOMORE.
09:19:29 >> I'M KAYLA, A FRESHMAN.
09:19:33 >> CAMILLE, A FRESHMAN.
09:19:35 >> I'M CHLOE.
I'M A FRESHMAN.
[ APPLAUSE ]
09:19:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FRESHMAN AND A
SENIOR IS WE'RE IN A ROOM SO SMALL, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE
SOPHOMORES BY THE TIME WE LEAVE.
THEY ARE GOING TO GO BACKWARDS IN LIFE.
THE ROOM IS KIND OF SMALL FOR THESE PEOPLE.
APPRECIATE IT.
THIS TEAM PLAYED 24 GAMES, 7 PLAYOFF GAMES, 14 CONSECUTIVE
WINS AS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
AND IT'S AMAZING THAT THEY HAD A REAL TOUGH SCHEDULE.
EVERYONE CONTRIBUTED ON EACH PLAY, AND AMAZING WORK ETHIC
SUPPORTED ADMINISTRATIVE COACHES AND PARENTS AND THEY HAD A
CHAMPIONSHIP.
HOWEVER, CAN SOMEONE TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WINNER
AND A LOSER IN SOFTBALL?
I JUST GAVE YOU THE ANSWER EARLIER.
09:20:30 >> A WINNER FALLS AND DOESN'T -- OR A LOSER FALLS AND
DOESN'T GET UP.
AND A WINNER WILL GET UP --
09:20:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EXACTLY RIGHT.
NOW, ANYONE ELSE?
COACH, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
ATHLETIC DIRECTOR?
09:20:45 >> I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL.
THAT'S IT.
I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR INVITING US DOWN
HERE TODAY.
OBVIOUSLY, AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED, THIS IS HISTORIC
FEAT FOR OUR SCHOOL AND ONE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF
PRIDE IN.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THESE YOUNG
LADIES AND OUR COACHING STAFF DIDN'T ONLY MAKE THE ACADEMY
OF THE HOLY NAMES PROUD, THEY MADE THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA
PROUD.
WE'RE HONORED TO BRING THE CITY OF TAMPA OUR MOST RECENT
CHAMPIONSHIP.
ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HONORING US AND CONGRATULATIONS TO
OUR 2021, 3A STATE CHAMPIONS.
09:21:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT CONCLUDES TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
NOT BECAUSE YOU WON THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, BUT HOW YOU WON
IT AND HOW HARD YOU WORKED FOR IT.
IF YOU DO THAT IN LIFE, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE
SUCCESSFUL.
KEEP TRYING AND YOU'LL GET THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CITY COUNCIL, FOR ALLOWING US.
I WANT TO THANK THE PARENTS THAT ARE DOWN STAIRS FOR MAKING
WONDERFUL KIDS LIKE THIS ONE HERE.
BROUGHT THEM UP IN A GREAT ATMOSPHERE AND AN AREA THAT YOU
UNDERSTAND ABOUT LIFE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PARENTS.
APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
09:22:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANTED TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY
COLLEAGUE AND THANK ALL OF YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU FOR THE
BIG WIN.
THANKS ALSO TO CHARISSE HILLS FOR LEADING THE WAY AND ALSO
FOR HER LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY.
THOSE OF YOU SENIORS MENTIONED YOUR CREDENTIALS AND WHERE
YOU'RE GOING TO SCHOOL.
VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE.
I THINK ALL OF US WERE IMPRESSED WITH THAT.
CONGRATS ALSO TO THE PARENTS THAT HAVE RAISED ALL OF YOU ALL
TO BE SMART AND SUCCESSFUL.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU
SMART AND SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO TAMPA.
I THINK ALMOST ALL OF YOU ARE STUDYING OUTSIDE OF TAMPA.
IN TWO OR THREE YEARS, AS YOU'RE GETTING READY TO GRADUATE
OR DURING THE SUMMERS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF
THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY IN TAMPA FOR YOU, PLEASE LET US
KNOW.
WE'RE ALL CONNECTED AND WE NEED INTERNS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
AND WE CAN HELP YOU IN THE COMMUNITY.
WHATEVER YOUR INTEREST IS, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR
YOU IN TAMPA.
AND TO THE PARENTS IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE RECRUITING THEM
BACK, PLEASE LET US KNOW BECAUSE THESE ARE THE KIND OF
PEOPLE WE NEED TO COME TO TAMPA TO START BUSINESSES AND MAKE
OUR COMMUNITY THRIVE.
CONGRATS AGAIN FOR YOUR SUCCESS.
09:23:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
09:23:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND YOUNG
LADIES, CONGRATULATIONS.
AWESOME ACCOMPLISHMENT.
I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN WITH YOU GUYS EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T
BEEN TO ONE GAME, BUT JOHN BENNETT, WHO I THINK IS HANGING
AROUND OUT THERE.
WHICH ONE IS HIS DAUGHTER?
THERE SHE IS.
ANYWAY, JOHN BENNETT HAS BEEN KEEPING US POSTED GAME BY
GAME.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE HE WAS SO EXCITED AT YOUR WIN.
AND WE WERE, TOO.
ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES HAS AN AMAZING HISTORY OF ACADEMICS
AND ALSO SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SOME OF THE YOUNG LADIES AT YOUR SCHOOL ARE INVOLVED WITH
MR. CITRO AND MYSELF WITH OUR ROTARY CLUB.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS DO THE ROTARY, THE YOUTH
ROTARY PROGRAM, BUT GREAT SERVICE YOU PROVIDE BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BIG WIN.
THANK YOU.
09:24:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO IS IN THE BACK THERE.
09:24:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
LADIES, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ON YOUR WONDERFUL YEAR.
BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THE ONES THAT HAVE TAUGHT YOU HOW TO
PLAY THE GAME.
CONGRATULATIONS, LADIES.
09:24:22 >> THANK YOU.
09:24:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHERE IS THE COACH AT?
HEAD COACH.
COACH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS TO BE A COACH, TO COACH FOR
MANY, MANY YEARS IN YOUTH ATHLETICS.
PROGRAMS I PUT TOGETHER, YOUTH FOOTBALL, SOME BASEBALL
PROGRAMS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS TO BE A COACH.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE FEELING OF BEING A CHAMPION.
IT IS THE MOST EXCITING FEELING THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO COACH
YOUNG PEOPLE.
THEY LISTEN TO YOU.
INSPIRE TO BE THE BEST.
AT THE END, THEY HAVE A CHAMPIONSHIP.
NO ONE CAN EVER TAKE THEM AWAY.
SOMETHING YOU CAN NEVER, EVER TAKE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE
RECORD BOOKS.
YOU'RE A CHAMPION.
THE SCHOOL IS A CHAMPION.
THE PARENTS ARE A CHAMPION.
I MY GOOD FRIEND, PRINCIPAL DELIA GADSON, THE PRINCIPAL AT
SHEEHY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, TALKS ABOUT THE GREAT PROFESSORS
AT THE SCHOOL.
I LOOK AT OUR PARKS DIRECTOR, MS. HILLS, WHO IS A BASKETBALL
CHAMPION HERSELF.
I JUST LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE SCHOOL.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP WITH THESE YOUNG
LADIES.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL AND TO YOUR PARENTS.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
09:25:49 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:25:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
09:25:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO TO ITEM --
09:25:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU ARE DISMISSED.
09:26:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SEE MR. CITRO DOWN THERE.
WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 3 SINCE HE'S DOWN THERE.
THEN MR. CARLSON WILL GO DOWN THERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 2.
ONCE SHE CLEANS THE LECTERN, ITEM NUMBER 3, MR. CITRO HAS
THE WALK-ON.
09:27:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A GIRLS RULE KIND OF DAY.
I WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I AM SO PROUD OF THIS YOUNG
LADY, BUT I AM ALSO JEALOUS OF THIS YOUNG LADY.
THIS IS MS. ELYSE MEERDINK.
DID I SAY IT CORRECTLY?
WONDERFUL.
SHE WENT UP TO AUGUSTA NATIONAL.
NOW, IF NO ONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS ABOUT AUGUSTA NATIONAL,
THAT IS WHERE THE MASTERS PLAY.
AND JUST FOR THIS YOUNG LADY TO SINK A PUTT ON THE 18th
HOLE, AGAIN, I AM SO JEALOUS.
SHE WAS THE WINNER OF THE DRIVE, CHIP, AND PUTT NATIONAL
FINALS AGAIN IN AUGUSTA, GEORGIA, AT THE MASTERS, WHERE THE
MASTERS IS PLAYED, FOR THE GIRLS AGES 10 AND 11 DIVISION FOR
THIS LAST YEAR.
NOW, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF HER STATS.
HER DRIVE.
HER FIRST ATTEMPT WAS 227 YARDS.
HER SECOND ATTEMPT WAS 226 YARDS.
WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS YOUNG LADY IS ONLY 11 YEARS
OLD.
I DOUBT THERE'S ANY MEMBERS ON COUNCIL THAT COULD HIT IT
MUCH PAST HER.
HER CHIPS WERE -- ONE WAS A LITTLE OVER TWO FOOT.
ONE WAS A LITTLE OVER EIGHT FOOT.
HER PUTTS, HER FIRST PUTT AND, AGAIN, THE GREENS AT AUGUSTA
NATIONAL ARE LIKE PUTTING ON A BASKETBALL COURT.
LIGHTNING FAST.
FIRST PUTT WENT BY 8-FOOT.
I WATCHED THE VIDEOS.
YOU COULD SEE THERE WAS A LITTLE SHAKING IN HER EYES IN HOW
FAST THE GREENS WERE, BUT SHE SUNK HER SECOND PUTT IN ONE
PUTT.
AGAIN, I AM AMAZED AT THIS YOUNG LADY, AND I KNOW THAT GREAT
THINGS ARE GOING TO COME FROM HER.
AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY I ASKED CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE THIS
COMMENDATION.
IT IS PRESENTED TO MS. ELYSE MEERDINK, THE 2021 NATIONAL
DRIVE, CHIP AND PUTT CHAMPION.
THE CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDS YOU ON YOUR FIRST-PLACE WIN AT
THE GIRLS 10 AND 11 AGE DIVISION AT THE 2021 DRIVE, CHIP AND
PUTT NATIONAL FINALS AT AUGUSTA, GEORGIA.
YOUR PERSISTENCE, DEDICATION, COMPOSURE HAS SERVED YOU WELL
ON THE GOLF COURSE AND WILL SERVE YOU WELL IN LIFE.
WE CELEBRATE YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE LEGACY OF CHAMPIONS
FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT IS WITH PLEASURE THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENT YOU,
ELYSE MEERDINK WITH THIS COMMENDATION ON THE 3rd DAY OF
JUNE, 2021.
[ APPLAUSE ]
NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM
HER.
COME STAND UP HERE.
WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU MISSED -- SORRY --
WHEN YOU MISSED THAT FIRST PUTT AND YOU HAD TO STEP BACK AND
GAIN COMPOSURE TO MAKE THE SECOND PUTT?
09:30:26 >> WELL, WHEN I HIT THE PUTT, I KNEW THAT IT WAS PROBABLY
TOO HARD.
AND I WAS JUST HOPING IT WOULDN'T GO TOO FAR BY BECAUSE
BEFORE I HIT MY FIRST PUTT, I LOOKED UP AT THE SCOREBOARD
AND I SAW THAT I HAD 11 FEET OR CLOSER BETWEEN THE TWO PUTTS
TO WIN.
SO I WAS JUST HOPING THAT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 11 FEET SO
THAT I STILL HAD A CHANCE ON THE SECOND PUTT, WHICH IT WAS,
AND I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED AT FIRST WHEN IT WENT REALLY FAR
BY, BUT I KNEW THAT I HAD TO KIND OF COMPOSE MYSELF AND JUST
FOCUS ON THE SECOND PUTT.
OTHERWISE, IF I DIDN'T, IT WOULDN'T HAVE GONE WELL.
09:31:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.
I OPEN IT UP TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:31:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, ANYTHING, SIR?
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
09:31:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANKS, JOE.
THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS FANTASTIC YOUNG LADY INTO COUNCIL.
I IMAGINE THOSE TWO FOLKS SMILING BACK THERE MIGHT HAVE
SOMETHING TO DO WITH HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
DO YOU WANT TO BRING THEM FORWARD, JOE?
WE'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AS WELL.
WHAT'S THE HOME COURSE?
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT.
WHERE DO YOU GUYS PLAY AT?
09:31:45 >> MY HOME COURSE IS AVILA GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB.
09:31:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
VERY NICE.
WE'RE SO PROUD OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
YOU'RE STANDING NEXT TO COUNCILMAN CITRO WHO I PLAYED GOLF
WITH ONCE AND ONLY ONCE BECAUSE HE'S WAY TOO GOOD FOR ME.
JOE HITS A MEAN BALL.
THE TWO OF YOU NEED TO GO OUT TOGETHER AND SEE HOW WE DO.
BUT CONGRATULATIONS, ELYSE.
FANTASTIC.
I ONLY HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOUR FUTURE, SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW
IS GO GATORS.
THINK ABOUT IT.
09:32:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, ANYTHING, SIR?
09:32:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.
GOLF IS A VERY DIFFICULT GAME TO PLAY.
I'VE HIT EVERY POND AND EVERY RIVER AND EVERY OCEAN, EVEN
THOUGH THERE WASN'T WATER, I'D FALL IN WATER.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO MUCH BETTER
THAN 99% OF US THAT PLAY THE GAME.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
09:32:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S SO IRONIC WE HAVE A GOLFER HERE THIS
MORNING.
I WAS JUST GETTING ONLINE, GOLFING TOURNAMENT THIS WEEKEND,
I WAS LOOKING AT THE CLUBS I HAVE, AND I DON'T HAVE A
RIGHT-HAND PUTTER.
IT IS A LEFT-HAND PUTTER.
THE LAST TIME I GOLFED I WAS WONDERING WHY I HAD DIFFICULTY.
IT WAS THE WRONG SIDE PUTTER.
WHAT DO YOU USE, ELYSE?
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A GREAT PUTTER MAKING THIS 18th HOLE
SHOT.
WHAT DO YOU USE?
WHAT BRAND?
09:33:07 >> I USE A RIGHT-HANDED TAYLORMADE PUTTER.
IT'S AN ARDMORE 3.
09:33:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, YOU SAW SOME OTHER CHAMPIONS JUST
BEFORE YOU.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE ON THAT WAY TO BEING A GREAT CHAMPION AND
EVERYTHING YOU DO ESPECIALLY ON THE GOLF COURSE.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR PARENTS.
09:33:29 >> THANK YOU.
09:33:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'VE GOT THREE REQUESTS OF YOU.
NUMBER ONE, IF YOU EVER NEED SOMEONE TO LOOP FOR YOU, I'LL
BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CARRY YOUR BAG.
NUMBER TWO, DON'T GIVE UP NOW.
YOU'RE ON A GREAT PATH.
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU BE THE FIRST FEMALE TO PLAY IN THE
MASTERS.
AND NUMBER THREE, WOULD YOU SIGN MY GLOVE, PLEASE?
09:33:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
JOE, YOU'RE A GROUPIE.
09:34:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M TELLING YOU, YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT
EQUIPMENT THEY USE, WHAT KIND OF BALL THEY USE, WHAT KIND OF
GLOVE.
WHEN SHE TURNS PRO, I CAN'T DISPLAY THIS ANY LONGER.
SHE USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GLOVE, CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS.
A LITTLE SMILEY FACE.
I LOVE IT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
09:34:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CONGRATULATIONS, PARENTS.
09:34:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK MR. CARLSON IS UP NEXT WITH ITEM
NUMBER 1, CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES.
09:35:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
READY, MR. CHAIR?
09:35:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, READY ANYTIME YOU ARE.
09:35:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M EXCITED TODAY TO GIVE A COMMENDATION ON
BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL TO ONE OF THE GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD
LEADERS OF SOUTH TAMPA, MARLIN ANDERSON.
THERE'S A LOT THAT I COULD SAY ABOUT MARLIN.
I'LL READ THE COMMENDATION WE'LL GIVE HIM, BUT I'VE KNOWN
HIM BECAUSE I WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVIST INVOLVED IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND HE PUT TOGETHER YEARS AGO AN ORGANIZATION OF ALL THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN SOUTH TAMPA FIGURING IF WE ALL
WORKED TOGETHER THAT WE COULD GET MORE DONE.
THEY ALSO, AS PART OF THAT, EVERY FOUR YEARS PUT TOGETHER
MAYORAL AND CITY COUNCIL DEBATES, WHICH WE ALL PARTICIPATED
IN, AND MARLIN DOES A GREAT JOB OF BEING NEUTRAL THROUGH
THOSE THINGS AND ALSO ASKING TOUGH QUESTIONS.
SO THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING SOUTH TAMPA AND FOR ALL YOUR
LEADERSHIP THERE AND FOR MAKING SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
LEADERS IN SOUTH TAMPA ARE EFFECTIVE AT WHAT THEY DO.
I'LL READ THIS COMMENDATION, IT SAYS: IT IS WITH SINCERE
GRATITUDE THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENTS THIS
COMMENDATION TO MARLIN ANDERSON IN HONOR OF HIS SERVICE AND
LEADERSHIP TO THE SOUTH TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU STARTED YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF
THE SUNSET PARK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION SERVING AS PRESIDENT
FOR EIGHT YEARS.
DURING THAT TIME YOU WERE ENGAGED IN NUMEROUS NEIGHBORHOOD
ISSUES INCLUDING STORMWATER DRAINAGE, WATER QUALITY AND
TRAFFIC CONGESTION AS FOUNDER OF SOUTH TAMPA COALITION,
UNITED SOUTH TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS ON ISSUES AFFECTING SOUTH
TAMPA WHILE ALSO ORGANIZING AND PROMOTING A NEW LEVEL OF
ENGAGEMENT FOR MANY CITIZENS AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR
INVOLVEMENT.
AS THE ORGANIZER OF SOME OF THE BEST ATTENDED CANDIDATE
FORUMS IN THE CITY, YOU HELP TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THE
VARIOUS POLITICAL CANDIDATES.
YOUR KINDNESS, GENEROSITY, SPIRIT AND LEADERSHIP THAT HAS
INSPIRED COUNTLESS CITIZENS HAS MADE THE CITY OF TAMPA A
BETTER PLACE.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE HIM SPEAK A FEW MINUTES.
MAYBE CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST.
09:36:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO.
09:36:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, MARLIN, I MET YOU ABOUT TEN
YEARS AGO.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID IT ALL REGARDING THE FORMS YOU PUT
TOGETHER WITH THE CANDIDATES, YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
YOU'VE ALWAYS INSPIRED ME.
YOU ARE A VERY GOOD MAN.
YOU ARE A VERY KIND INDIVIDUAL.
I APPRECIATE YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND YOUR DEDICATION TO SERVING
THE COMMUNITY AND YOUR MANY WAYS THAT YOU'VE DONE SO.
SO THANK YOU.
IS THIS YOUR FIRST COMMENDATION FROM CITY COUNCIL?
IT'S LONG OVERDUE.
YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOREVER.
I'M SURPRISED, YOU KNOW.
WELL DESERVED, SIR.
THANK YOU.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.
09:37:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY.
THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS LONG OVERDUE.
YOU HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT DIDN'T WANT TO
BE POLITICAL, BUT WAS SO MUCH INTO POLITICS.
YOU MADE SURE THE INFORMATION OF ALL THE CANDIDATES WERE OUT
THERE.
YOU HELD FORUMS.
YOU HELD QUESTIONS.
YOU HELD DEBATES.
AGAIN, YOU WEREN'T BEING POLITICAL, BUT YOU WERE BEING
POLITICAL IN LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THE CHOICES THEY HAVE
BEFORE THEM.
I REMEMBER THE TWO THAT I ATTENDED WITH MS. VICKY POLLIER AS
ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE, NOT ONLY FOR YOUR
AREA, BUT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
CONGRATULATIONS, MY FRIEND.
09:38:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, ANYTHING, SIR?
09:38:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
GOOD MORNING, MARLIN.
MARLIN AND I NOT ONLY GO BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT WE
RAISED OUR CHILDREN TOGETHER.
ANYWAY, MARLIN, CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT ALL YOU DO FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
IT ALL STARTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AND
WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE A LEADER LIKE YOU.
KEEP IT UP.
THANK YOU.
GOOD TO SEE YOU, MARLIN.
09:38:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
TO DO WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND HOLD THESE POLITICAL MEETINGS
WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE CANDIDATES COME UP AND YOU DO IT IN A
FASHION OR HAVE DONE IT IN A FASHION, I HOPE YOU CONTINUE
SOMEHOW TO DO IT, THAT WAS NOT FAVORABLE TO ONE OR FAVORABLE
TO ANOTHER, BUT FAVORABLE TO ALL.
AND YOU HELD THE CROWD IN CHECK AS TO WHEN THEY GOT TOO MUCH
ON ONE SIDE, ONE CANDIDATE.
YOU SAID SPREAD IT OUT AMONG ALL THE CANDIDATES.
YOU DID SOMETHING THAT VERY FEW CAN DO.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AGO.
FRANK HOUSE.
MARGARET VIZZI, THE REST OF THEM HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING
JOB.
YOU WERE PART OF THE CORE OF THE APPLE THAT PUT A TREE ON
THAT DEVELOPED AN ORCHARD.
WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:39:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'VE SEEN YOU AROUND DOWNTOWN A LOT.
DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, TALKING TO PEOPLE.
UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE STRONG COMMUNITIES AND
ASSOCIATIONS.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON FOR RECOGNIZING.
09:39:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
I SHOULD ALSO ADD WE WERE GOING TO GIVE THIS
TO HIM ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND THEN COVID HIT.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT WE WANTED TO DO IT IN PERSON.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
09:39:58 >> ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS A GREAT HONOR.
I DIDN'T REALLY EXPECT THIS, BUT IT HAPPENED.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I LOVE THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I LOVE THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND IT HAS BEEN
MY PLEASURE TO DO MY PART TO HELP MAKE THIS GREAT CITY A
BETTER PLACE IN WHICH TO LIVE.
THANK YOU.
09:40:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, WE DID NOT APPROVE THE AGENDA, THE
ADDENDUM.
MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AS FAR AS STAFF REPORTS, I LOOKED AT THEM AND MOST OF THEM
HAVE TO DO WITH BEING PRESENT.
WE WILL GO TO AS PROMISED.
I KNOW CHIEF BENNETT HAS SOMETHING FOR 57.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON 58? 59?
WE NEED TO RELEASE ANYBODY?
09:41:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
61 I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE
SOMEBODY SPEAK TO.
09:41:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
61 AND 59 ASTERISK BY.
58, NO PROBLEM WITH RELEASING MR. BAIRD ON 58?
59?
THAT'S A REPORT ANYWAY.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THAT.
60?
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S A REPORT ON THAT.
61, NEED TO APPEAR.
62 IS A DRAFT PRESENTATION.
63 NEED TO APPEAR TO PRESENT.
I THINK THE ONLY ONE WE NEED TO RELEASE IS MR. BAIRD ON 58.
WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
09:42:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE WAS A MOTION AND A VOTE?
09:42:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:42:36 >> TRAE WEINGARDT, ATTORNEY AT HILL WARD HENDERSON.
I'M HERE SPEAKING ABOUT RESOLUTION NUMBER 30 ON THE AGENDA.
IT INVOLVES A RELEASE OF EASEMENT, ROE 21-16.
THE REQUEST WAS MADE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 505 SOUTH
ROYAL PALM WAY.
I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF GORDON AND BARBARA BABBITT
WHO LIVE ADJACENT AT 4604 WEST BEACH PARK DRIVE.
THE REASON WE ARE HERE AND A BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT 505
SOUTH ROYAL PALM WAY, THAT PROPERTY EXISTS -- IT'S IN ORANGE
HERE ON THE SHEET.
PREVIOUSLY, THE PROPERTY HAD AN ALLEYWAY BEHIND IT AND SORT
OF A ROUNDABOUT THAT'S CALLED LOT E HERE.
LOT E WAS A NONBUILDABLE LOT WHEN THIS WAS PLATTED
APPROXIMATELY 100 YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS AN EASEMENT THAT
RAN THROUGH THE ALLEYWAY THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
THAT ALLEYWAY AND THE EASEMENT STILL EXISTS TODAY.
NEVERTHELESS, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THIS PARCEL WAS COMBINED SO
THAT LOT 4 AND LOT E WERE COMBINED INTO ONE LOT.
HOWEVER, THE EASEMENT NEVER WAS RELEASED AND LOT E NEVER
BECAME A BUILDABLE LOT.
THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY CODE REQUIRES THAT A LOT HAVE
NO INTERIOR ANGLE OF LESS THAN 30 DEGREES.
HOWEVER, THIS ANGLE IN LOT E IS ONLY 26 DEGREES.
SO THIS LOT IS NOT CURRENTLY BUILDABLE.
HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS BEGUN CONSTRUCTION IN LOT E
IN WHAT IS STILL AN EASEMENT.
NOW, THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY AND THE REASON THIS IS
IMPORTANT IS THAT WHEN THE BABBITTS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS IN
THIS AREA PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, THEY DID SO WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS EASEMENT ACTED AS A BARRIER BETWEEN
THE STRUCTURES AND THE HOMES IN THE HISTORIC BEACH PARK
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOR A HUNDRED YEARS SINCE IT WAS
ORIGINALLY PLATTED.
THE RESULT OF RELEASING THIS EASEMENT TODAY WILL BE TO THE
CONSTRUCTION IN THE EASEMENT WILL CONTINUE AND A HOME -- A
BUILDING THAT IS 36-FOOT TALL WILL BE BUILT ONLY SEVEN FEET
FROM THE BABBITT'S BACKYARD, FROM THEIR POOL.
WHAT THAT WILL MEAN IS FOR THE BABBITT'S PROPERTY
SPECIFICALLY, TWO-STORY BUILDINGS ON ALL THREE SIDES NOT
FACING THE STREET OF THEIR PROPERTY, BUILT ONLY 7 FEET FROM
THE LOT LINE.
IN THIS BEAUTIFUL BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS EXISTED
IN THIS STATE FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY, THERE WILL BE LOT
LINE TO LOT LINE CONSTRUCTION.
I BROUGHT A COUPLE OF PICTURES DEMONSTRATING.
THIS IS WHAT THE AREA LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION
BEGAN.
YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE TREES AND EVERYTHING IN THE AREA.
THIS IS SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN.
THE TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED IN THIS WHOLE LARGE AREA, AND
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A VERY SMALL SLIVER THAT EXTENDS
BACK, FAR BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
YOU CAN SEE HOW SLIM THAT AREA IS, AND THAT IS RIGHT WHERE
THE EASEMENT RUNS AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION IS BEING
CONDUCTED CURRENTLY.
THE REASON WE'RE HERE AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING THAT
THIS EASEMENT NOT BE RELEASED IS BECAUSE, AS I STATED, THE
BABBITTS AND THE NEIGHBORS IN THE BEAUTIFUL AND HISTORIC
BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE RELIED ON THIS EASEMENT FOR
MORE THAN A CENTURY TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY AND THE OVERALL
-- THE WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN AND THE WAY THE
NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE.
SO WE ASK THAT THE COUNCIL PLEASE DENY THE REQUEST FOR
RELEASE.
THANK YOU.
09:46:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
09:46:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME AT THE BEGINNING.
09:46:50 >> TRAE WEINGARDT.
I'M WITH HILL WARD HENDERSON.
09:46:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
COULD YOU PUT UP THAT PICTURE?
I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND TO THE LAST PHOTOGRAPH.
I WAS READING THROUGH SOME OF THIS YESTERDAY.
09:47:11 >> IS THAT THE ONE?
09:47:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
09:47:17 >> IF I COULD INTERRUPT.
09:47:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DON'T THINK IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK IT'S JUST ON THE AGENDA ON CONSENT.
09:47:23 >> CORRECT.
THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT -- ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY
ATTORNEY.
MY CONCERN IS WE ARE AWARE THROUGH OTHER CORRESPONDENCE FROM
MR. WEINGARDT, THAT THEY MAY BE PURSUING LEGAL ACTION
AGAINST THE CITY WITH REGARD TO NOT THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT
THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, BUT A PRIOR DETERMINATION MADE BY
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING TOO DEEP INTO THE
WEEDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT IS
WHAT WILL BE AT ISSUE SHOULD THEY PURSUE LITIGATION.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU KEEP ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS
CONFINED TO THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS SIMPLY THE
RELEASE OF EASEMENT.
AND RON WIGGINTON OF OUR OFFICE IS PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT
WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP.
I KNOW IT WAS PULLED FROM THE AGENDA TO BE DISCUSSED AS PART
OF THE ADDENDUM.
09:48:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I APPRECIATE THE HEADS-UP.
ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS GOING TO BE RELATED TO THE
CONSTRUCTION, BUT I WILL NOT ASK THAT QUESTION.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION AS RELATED TO ITEM 30, UNLESS SOMEBODY
IS GOING TO TELL US THAT ITEM 30 IS GOING TO BE STRUCK FROM
TODAY'S AGENDA.
09:48:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM MR. WIGGINTON
FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT RELATIVE TO THE BACKGROUND OF THIS
BEFORE YOU ASK YOUR QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO WHAT
YOU WILL BE ASKING.
I THINK YOU'RE ASKING --
09:49:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'M LOOKING AT A PICTURE.
WHAT I WANTED TO ASK THE GENTLEMAN WAS IF HE COULD USE HIS
FINGER TO SHOW US WHERE THE SUBJECT EASEMENT IS.
IT'S BEEN HARD TO SEE FROM THE COMPUTER SIDE OF THINGS.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW US WHERE THE SUBJECT EASEMENT IS
FOR ITEM 30.
09:49:23 >> I'LL DO MY BEST WITH THE ELMO.
IF YOU REMEMBER THE PLAT, AND YOU SAW LOT E, THIS IS LOT E
RIGHT HERE.
THE EASEMENT RUNS SORT OF ALONG WHAT LOOKS LIKE A WHITE
FENCE LINE HERE AND COMES AND CURVES RIGHT HERE WHERE THE
PROPERTY NARROWS.
09:49:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHERE IS THE BABBITT HOUSE?
09:49:41 >> THE BABBITT HOUSE IS THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE.
IF I CAN SWITCH PICTURES FOR YOU JUST MOMENTARILY.
09:49:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHEN WAS THE VACATING?
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE ALLEY WAS ACTUALLY -- OR THE -- I
DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS -- AN ALLEY OR RIGHT-OF-WAY -- WAS
VACATED A WHILE BACK.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WAS, MR. WEINGARDT?
09:50:06 >> YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE WAS A RIGHT-OF-WAY AND SEPARATE UTILITY EASEMENT.
I BELIEVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS ABANDONED BACK IN THE '50s.
FROM MY REVIEW OF THIS, IT APPEARS THAT IT WAS -- THE LOTS
THAT ARE TO THE WEST WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL
LOTS, AND THAT ALLEYWAY WAS GOING TO SERVE THEM.
ULTIMATELY THEY BECAME INDIVIDUAL NOT COMMERCIAL AND BECAUSE
OF THAT THE ALLEY WAS ABANDONED.
09:50:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU, AGAIN, MS. ZELMAN, FOR YOUR HEADS-UP.
09:50:38 >> THANK YOU.
I'LL STICK AROUND IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS DURING THE
DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
09:50:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
09:50:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NEXT SPEAKER.
ANYTIME YOU ARE READY, SIR.
09:51:17 >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING MILANA HOMES WHO IS REQUESTING THIS
RELEASE OF EASEMENT.
I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THE EASEMENT IS ON
PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN.
IT'S NOT PROPERTY THAT THE BABBITTS OWN OR THEY HAVE ANY
RIGHTS TO.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT EASEMENT.
IT'S BEEN ALREADY DETERMINED BY THE CITY THROUGH ITS REVIEW
PROCESS THAT THERE ARE NO RESERVATIONS THERE FOR ANY KIND OF
UTILITIES.
IT'S CURRENTLY NOT BEING USED.
THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING TO YOU AS A REQUEST TO RELEASE THE
EASEMENT BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE EASEMENTS ARE HELD IN TRUST
BY THE CITY FOR PUBLIC USE.
AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC USE THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, AND
THAT'S PER THE STAFF REPORT.
AS FAR AS MR. WEINGARDT'S PRESENTATION REGARDING WHAT IT WAS
HISTORICALLY, THAT THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS REQUEST.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN USEFUL A HUNDRED YEARS AGO OR 50 YEARS AGO,
60 YEARS AGO, WHENEVER BUT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED AND
HAS NO PUBLIC PURPOSE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHY THE EASEMENT REQUEST, THE RELEASE IS IN THERE.
THE ALLEY, AS MR. DINGFELDER POINTED OUT, HAS ALREADY BEEN
VACATED.
SO THE RIGHTS OF PASSAGE THERE HAVE BEEN RELEASED.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THEY DIDN'T RELEASE THE EASEMENT
WHEN THEY RELEASED -- WHEN THEY VACATED THE ALLEY, BUT FOR
WHATEVER REASON, THEY DIDN'T.
A LETTER HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT TO MR. WEINGARDT REGARDING
THE CITY'S DETERMINATION FOR SETBACKS AND RELATED ISSUES.
TYPICALLY ON TRIANGULAR SHAPED LOTS, THE NARROWEST PART OF
THE LOT IS THE FRONT, AND THEY HAVE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT
THIS IS A FRONT THAT IS ON ROYAL PALM WAY, AND THEN THE
SIDES ARE RESPECTIVELY ON THE BABBITT SIDE, ALTHOUGH THAT'S
THEIR REAR YARD, IT IS THE SIDE YARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR
PARCEL.
I'LL BE STAYING AROUND FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION LATER ON.
WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND
WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION REGARDING THE MATTER, AND
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RELEASE OF
EASEMENT AS PETITIONED AND SUPPORTED BY THE CITY STAFF AND
CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU.
09:53:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR EXPEDIENCY, I'D HAVE CONCERN VOTING
ON THIS TODAY BECAUSE NOW WE'VE HEARD FROM MS. ZELMAN ABOUT
POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
WE HAVE TWO LAWYERS HERE WHO ARE TELLING US -- NOT TWO
LAWYERS -- WE HAVE A LAWYER AND A VERY, VERY SMART LAND USE
GUY, STEVE MICHELINI, TELLING US TWO DIFFERENT -- YOU KNOW,
TWO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS.
I WOULD SUGGEST WITH RESPECT TO MR. MANISCALCO THAT WE DEFER
THIS FOR TWO WEEKS SO LEGAL CAN MEET WITH US INDIVIDUALLY
AND BRIEF US INDIVIDUALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY'S ROLE
AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THIS DISCUSSED
IN THE PUBLIC FORUM, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF MS. ZELMAN
EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT LITIGATION.
THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
09:54:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. ZELMAN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
09:54:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ANDREA ZELMAN AGAIN.
I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LET RON WIGGINTON GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN
TO YOU THE ACTUAL EASEMENT REQUEST AS DISTINGUISHED FROM
SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN'T GO FORWARD.
09:55:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T GO FORWARD.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE PRUDENT TO GO FORWARD.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANY EXIGENCY OF GOING TODAY.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT TO DEFER TWO WEEKS.
09:55:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD PREFER WE WAIT TILL WE GET TO ITEM
NUMBER 30 AND AT THAT TIME WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION.
WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:55:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RIGHT, NO PROBLEM.
09:55:29 >>RON WIGGINTON:
AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS GOING TO BE
SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S A SIMPLE RELEASE OF EASEMENT THAT HAS BEEN DETERMINED
BY RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING COORDINATOR THAT IS NO LONGER
NEEDED.
AS FAR AS DEFERRING, I HAVE NOT BEEN INFORMED THAT THERE'S
ANY URGENCY TO THIS ITEM.
WE ARE IN AGREEMENT IF THAT IS THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:55:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, SINCE YOU PUT IT OUT THERE
AND MR. RON HAS SAID NOT GREAT URGENCY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND
ENTERTAIN IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TWO WEEKS.
09:56:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT'S UP TO --
09:56:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SPOKE TO MR. WIGGINTON YESTERDAY TO
GET CLARITY ON THIS BEFORE I SENT THE MEMO TO PULL THE ITEM.
I'M GOOD WITH IT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, AS HE SAID, THERE'S NO
SENSE OF URGENCY IF YOU WANT TO DEFER FOR TWO WEEKS JUST SO
EVERYBODY CAN GET ON THE SAME PAGE, IF THEY HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS OFF-LINE, WHATEVER.
I DON'T MIND AT ALL.
09:56:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND TO DEFER.
09:56:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY MR.
MIRANDA.
09:56:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IS TWO WEEKS ENOUGH TIME?
09:56:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I APOLOGIZE.
I JUST RECEIVED A TEXT FROM THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT
DEPARTMENT.
THEY ASKED FOR A 30-DAY WINDOW.
09:56:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT TAKES TO US A VACATION DAY.
09:56:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JULY 15 WOULD BE THE FIRST REGULAR
MEETING WHEN WE COME BACK FROM THE SUMMER BREAK.
09:57:05 >>THE CLERK:
JULY 15 WILL BE THE NEXT REGULAR SESSION AFTER
THE BREAK.
09:57:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CHANGE THE MOTION TO JULY 15, I'LL
SECOND.
09:57:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO MOVED.
09:57:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:57:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
09:57:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THAT RESOLVES THE ISSUE FOR ITEM NUMBER 30.
09:57:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
09:57:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ON THE AGENDA.
09:57:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT IS CORRECT.
WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:57:37 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:57:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. SHELBY, WERE YOU SAYING THAT SHOULD
COME UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS INSTEAD OF CONSENT?
IT WOULD BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
09:57:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WOULD BE YOUR PLEASURE.
CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE -- UNFINISHED BUSINESS
THEN, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
09:58:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
09:58:09 >> GOOD MORNING.
MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
ONE THING YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO RECOGNIZE AND ALWAYS AFRICAN
PEOPLE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE.
THEY DO US DIRTY AND THEY DO US NASTY.
THEY CUT MY TIME OFF.
THEY CUT MY TIME OFF, SENT SOMEBODY ELSE UP.
THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT EASEMENT.
30 YEARS I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE, WE 26% OF THE
POPULATION.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A RIGHT-OF-WAY OF ALLEY AND WHO HAVE
RIGHTS TO IT AND WHATNOT.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WE'RE 26% OF THIS POPULATION AND WE
DON'T ENJOY 26% OF THE CITY BUDGET ANYWAY WHATSOEVER.
WE GET ABOUT 90% OF THE BAD TREATMENT OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND NOTHING ABOUT THAT, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING ABOUT
THAT.
IT'S A DISRESPECT AND A DISREGARD THEY HAVE FOR AFRICAN
PEOPLE.
IT IS A HATRED THEY HAVE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
AND THEY HAVE US LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT
PARTICIPATING IN OUR OWN OPPRESSION.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT OVER 600,000 BICYCLE STOPS.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT DO
THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITIES.
WE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE.
ALL THESE THINGS WE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT.
WE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL THAT THEY ADDING ON TAXES TO HELP
BUCCANEER, A TEAM WITH A RACIST NAME, BUCCANEER, ADDING ON
TAXES TO HELP THEM BUT NOT TO HELP OUR COMMUNITIES OR OUR
PEOPLE OR OUR YOUTH.
AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL WITH THAT FORM OF OPPRESSION.
AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE INSULTED AND COOL ABOUT IT.
SUPPOSED TO BE COOL ABOUT WEARING A SHIRT DOWN HERE AND YOU
ALL HAVE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WANT TO PUT YOU OUT, ARREST
YOU, PUT YOU IN HANDCUFFS.
AND MY SHIRT LOOKS OFFENSIVE, BUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
SOUTH TAMPA, THAT JUNKYARD THEY HAVE RUNNING THROUGH GANDY
BOULEVARD, A STRAIGHT JUNKYARD THAT THEY HAVE RUNNING
THROUGH GANDY BOULEVARD THAT THEY CALL AN EXPRESSWAY THAT
NEED TO BE REMOVED, AN EYESORE.
AND THE JUNKYARDS THEY HAVE AROUND EVERYBODY'S HOME IN SOUTH
TAMPA THEY ARE CALLING APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
BUT THEY ARE OFFENDED BY A SHIRT THAT I WEAR.
AND THEY WANT TO PUT THE POLICE ON ME TO ARREST ME, BUT THEY
GOT A JUNKYARD RUNNING DOWN THROUGH GANDY BOULEVARD.
EVERY TIME IT RAIN, THEY HAVE A CESS PIT, A CESSPOOL UP AT
HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY.
THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT FOR 50 YEARS, THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT
THE WATER LEAKAGE OR THE WATER DRAINAGE ON HENDERSON AND
DALE MABRY.
MAN, YOU ALL OFFEND AFRICAN PEOPLE.
YOU ALL OFFEND BLACK PEOPLE.
YOU ALL OFFEND US IN THE WORST WAY, SAME WAY THEY OFFENDED
US IN ROSEWOOD, FLORIDA, TULSA, OKLAHOMA, AND OTHER PLACES.
IT'S OFFENSIVE.
IT'S HIGHLY OFFENSIVE, AND THE WAY THEY SKIPPED MY TURN THIS
MORNING, THAT WAS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE.
10:01:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. MENTESNOT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
THAT'S IT FOR IN PERSON.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:01:34 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH REGISTERED TO SPEAK, HOWEVER HE DID NOT
PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE.
TRAE WEINGARDT PARTICIPATED IN CHAMBERS WITH YOU ALL THIS
MORNING.
SO THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE BARBARA BABBITT.
BARBARA, IF YOU'RE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, AND
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
BARBARA, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:02:09 >> GOOD MORNING.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:02:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, WE CAN.
10:02:13 >> I'M BARBARA BABBITT, AND MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOME
AT 4604 WEST BEACH PARK DRIVE OVER 23 YEARS AGO.
AND AT THAT TIME, WE RELIED ON EXISTING EASEMENT BEHIND OUR
PROPERTY AND BUFFER FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THE ABANDONED ALLEYWAY WHICH
INCLUDES THE EASEMENT KNOWN AS LOT E ON THE PAPERWORK WAS A
NONBUILDABLE LOT WITH NO STREET ACCESS.
BEFORE THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY BY MR. MARTIN, LOT E WAS
HOME FOR A VERY LONG TIME TO MANY, MANY MATURE TREES.
I HAD THE PLEASURE -- I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WATCHING BEACH
PARK NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY DAY.
WE HAVE A WEALTH OF NEW HOMES JOIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DURING
THE 23 YEARS WE'VE LIVED HERE.
ALL OF THESE NEW HOMES HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT AND RESPECTFUL
OF KEEPING WITH THE BEAUTY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WATCHED FROM MY BACKYARD ALL OF THESE TREES WERE CHOPPED
DOWN AND CARRIED AWAY, INCLUDING ONES ON THE EASEMENT.
MADE ME FILL ILL.
THE REMOVAL OF ALL THE TREES WAS A DEVASTATING LOSS TO OUR
HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE RELEASE OF THIS EASEMENT WOULD CAUSE NOT ONLY COMPLETE
LOSS OF OUR PRIVACY IN OUR BACKYARD AS THE TWO-STORY
SECONDARY STRUCTURE IS SEVEN FEET FROM OUR WROUGHT IRON
FENCE BUT IT WILL ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF OUR
PROPERTY VALUE.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TWO-STORY HOME, SEVEN FEET FROM THE
PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES.
THE RELEASE OF THIS EASEMENT WILL MAKE ALL SIDES OF OUR
PROPERTY SEVEN FEET FROM TWO-STORY STRUCTURES, ESSENTIALLY
BOXING US IN ON ALL THREE SIDES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CONSTRUCTION ON 505
ROYAL PALM HAS ALREADY BEGUN ON TOP OF THE EASEMENT, EVEN
THOUGH THE EASEMENT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED.
THE BUILDING IS ALREADY ABOUT FOUR FOOT OUT OF GROUND.
APPLICATION FOR THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT WAS FILED ONLY AFTER
WE -- CONSTRUCTION ON THE EASEMENT.
I GUESS MR. MARTIN IS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS INSTEAD OF
PERMISSION.
IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE STARTING OF CONSTRUCTION ON
AN EASEMENT BEFORE APPLYING HAVE EASEMENT RELEASED IS
LAWFUL.
AGAIN, WE RELIED ON THIS EASEMENT IN MAKING THE DECISION TO
PURCHASE OUR HOME YEARS AGO, AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU
DENY THE APPLICATION FOR ITS RELEASE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:04:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:04:28 >>THE CLERK:
CHAIR, THAT'S GOING TO CONCLUDE GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENTS.
THANK YOU.
10:04:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM STAFF TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
10:04:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, DID COUNCIL WAS A DISCUSSION
OR PRESENTATION ON THIS, BECAUSE WE COULD MOVE THAT TO THE
1:30 TO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
THIS IS THE ISSUE OF COUNCIL'S INITIATIVE TO AMEND THE CODE
TO ALLOW FOR AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR PARKING
TICKETS.
IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
10:05:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:05:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THIS IS WHAT I BROUGHT UP REGARDING PARKING ON THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND WHATNOT, ANYTHING FROM
SEMITRUCKS, GENERAL COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT, EQUIPMENT MEANING
LIKE LARGE TRUCKS, VANS THAT PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND IT WOULD ALLOW US TO
ISSUE CITATIONS, PARKING TICKETS TO HOPEFULLY ENFORCE THIS
AND REMEDY THIS BECAUSE I'VE RECEIVED SO MANY COMPLAINTS,
MANY OF US HAVE, FROM SO MANY PARTS OF THE CITY IN REGARDS
TO FOLKS JUST PARKING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES WHEREVER THEY
WANT.
I HAD MADE THIS MOTION THAT IT COME BACK FOR FIRST READING,
WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND THAT WOULD BE IT.
SO WE WOULD ALLOW OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THE
AUTHORITY TO TICKET AND CITE THESE INDIVIDUALS AND ENCOURAGE
AND MOTIVATE THEM TO STOP PARKING ALL OVER THE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:06:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
I SEE MS. ZELMAN UP AND SOMEONE ELSE FROM LEGAL ON THE
SCREEN.
10:06:13 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT PATRICK PEREZ
IS AVAILABLE.
HE HAD PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED A REPORT TO YOU AND THE DIRECTION
WAS FOR HIM TO GO AHEAD AND PREPARE THIS ORDINANCE FOR FIRST
READING.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, HE IS AVAILABLE TO
ANSWER THEM.
10:06:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
10:06:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
I WANT TO AGREE WITH MR. MANISCALCO.
THIS IS NOT IN SOME AREAS, IT'S MUCH MORE EVIDENT THAT THESE
THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
IN THE AREAS THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN, IF IT CONTINUES THAT
WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL
DETERIORATE AND WILL NOT KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF THE
NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
FOR EQUALITY, I WANT TO THANK MR. MANISCALCO FOR WORKING
DILIGENTLY ON THIS AND GET THIS DONE AND OVER.
I HOPE IT'S NOT ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT OTHERS THAT
ARE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO VEER IN AND EXPLAIN IT TO THE CHIEF
OF STAFF THROUGH THE DIRECTION THAT HE GAVE US TO GET THESE
THINGS DONE.
CALL THEM IN SO THEY CAN SEND SOMEBODY TO VIEW.
YOU'VE GOT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BEFORE THEY START GIVING
OUT TICKETS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:07:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.
10:07:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE
ATTENTION.
THIS IS SOMETHING I HATE TO SAY IS LONG OVERDUE.
THE CITY IS LACKING IN SIDEWALKS.
IF WE HAVE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF VEHICLES
THAT ARE PARKED ALONG OUR SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW, IT JUST
FORCES PEOPLE TO WALK INTO THE STREETS.
AGAIN, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:07:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
10:07:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE MORE BITE AT THE APPLE, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THIS IS NOT ONLY ON SIDEWALKS, AS MR. CITRO SAID, WHICH IT
IS, THIS IS ALSO ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE YOU PARK NOT ONLY
THE TRACTOR, BUT THE TRACTOR AND THE TRAILER RIGHT HERE AND
LEAVE IT THERE FROM FRIDAY TO SATURDAY, SUNDAY, SOMETIMES
THREE, FOUR, FIVE DAYS.
YOU CAN'T SEE BEHIND THE BIG VEHICLES.
SOMEBODY WILL GET HURT.
OR SOMEBODY WILL GET KILLED.
PUBLIC SERVICE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND, AS SMALL AS IT IS,
SOMETHING BETWEEN LIFE AND THE ULTIMATE OF NOT HAVING LIFE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN NEEDED A LONG TIME.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SCARE ANYBODY OUT OF THE CITY.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT THE SAME HOLISTIC QUALITY OF LIFE
ALL OVER THE CITY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:08:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SEE LEGAL ON THE SCREEN.
ANYTHING TO SAY, SIR?
10:08:42 >> PATRICK PEREZ, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
NO, SIR.
I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN HELP ANSWER.
AS COUNCILMAN SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE BROUGHT BACK AFTER
COUNCIL'S MOTION.
THANK YOU.
10:08:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
FOR THE RECORD, MR. VIERA IS HERE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 3.
MR. MANISCALCO HAS MADE A MOTION.
MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
10:09:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT, I HAVE TO READ THE ORDINANCE.
FIRST, MR. PEREZ, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON
THIS.
I APPRECIATE YOU BEING SO RESPONSIVE ANSWERING ALL QUESTIONS
AND BRINGING THIS TO FRUITION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, SIR.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO THE
AUTHORITY TO ISSUE PARKING CITATIONS; MAKING REVISIONS TO
CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 15, PARKING;
ENDING ARTICLE 1, ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS; DIVISION 1,
GENERAL PROVISIONS, ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY, DEFINITIONS,
SECTION 15-4.5, AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR PARKING
TICKETS; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:09:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MADE THE MOTION AND
MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ROLL CALL.
10:09:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:09:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:10:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:10:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:10:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:10:03 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:10:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:10:06 >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JULY 15, 2021 AT
9:30 A.M.
10:10:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE CONSENT AGENDA, 4 THROUGH 7.
10:10:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 7.
10:10:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:10:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO MOVED ITEMS 4 THROUGH 7.
MIRANDA SECONDED.
10:10:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:10:31 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:10:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:10:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:10:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:10:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:10:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:10:39 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:10:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PARKS AND RECS, ITEMS 8 AND 9.
10:10:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE ITEMS 8 THROUGH 9.
10:10:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:10:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.
SECONDED MR. MIRANDA.
10:10:54 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:10:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:10:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:10:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:10:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:10:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:11:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:11:02 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:11:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE, ITEMS 10 THROUGH
23, MR. DINGFELDER.
10:11:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
BEFORE I MOVE MY ITEMS, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO
OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WHO I ON OCCASION LIKE TO POKE AND
JAB AT, BUT ON THIS OCCASION, IN REGARD TO ITEMS 13 AND ITEM
21, THESE ARE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CHEMICAL PURCHASES.
IN LOOKING AT THE BID SHEETS, THE CITY AND ESPECIALLY THE
PURCHASING DEPARTMENT DID AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THESE BIDS.
SAVED THE CITY TAXPAYERS AND RATEPAYERS HUNDREDS AND
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
PUTTING THESE OUT TO BID, AND IT WAS A VERY COMPETITIVE
BIDDING ATMOSPHERE.
I WANTED TO COMMEND THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, MR. SPEARMAN
AND HIS TEAM, ITEMS 13 THROUGH 21.
WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL GLADLY MOVE ITEMS 10 THROUGH
23.
10:12:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER MOVED.
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED.
10:12:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:12:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:12:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:12:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:12:19 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:12:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:12:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:12:22 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:12:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FINANCE COMMITTEE ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26.
10:12:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26.
10:12:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:12:38 >>THE CLERK:
DINGFELDER.
10:12:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:12:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:12:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:12:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:12:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:12:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:12:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:12:54 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
WE'LL GO TO BUILDING AND ZONING, ITEMS 27 THROUGH 39.
28 HAS A SUBSTITUTE.
NUMBER 30 ALREADY VOTED ON AND WILL BE CONTINUED TO JULY 15.
MR. CARLSON.
10:13:10 >>BILL CARLSON:
I NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM ITEM 38.
I HAVE A FORM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FILE IF I COULD TO MAKE A
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE JUST FOR THE PUBLIC DISCLOSURE,
THE COMPANY WITH WHOM I AM RETAINED IS A TENANT OF THE
PROPERTY WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS RESOLUTION.
I'D LIKE TO FILE THIS FORM, IF POSSIBLE.
10:13:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF YOU CAN MOVE ALL THE ITEMS EXPECT 38.
10:13:33 >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATELY MAKE A
COMMENT.
I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 28.
I'M SURE YOU ALL DO RESEARCH ON THESE ITEMS AS WE'RE LOOKING
AT THEM.
AS I READ THE ORIGINALLY VERSION, YOU SAW WE GOT AN AMENDED
VERSION YESTERDAY, IT APPEARED AS IF THE MONEY WAS GOING TO
-- IT WAS NOT CLEAR WHERE THE MONEY WAS GOING ON THIS.
I DID TALK TO STAFF AND CLARIFIED THAT IT IS GOING TO REACH
INSTEAD OF ONE TAMPA.
BUT IN THAT, I FOUND OUT THAT ONE TAMPA A YEAR AGO WAS A
PROGRAM OF THE CITY.
NOW IT'S BEEN -- I LOOKED ON SUN BIZ, IT'S BEEN SET UP AS A
NONPROFIT.
THERE'S NOT MUCH INFORMATION ON IT YET BECAUSE IT'S IN THE
PROCESS OF BEING SET UP AND SET UP WITH SEPARATE BANK
ACCOUNTS.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE
CITY OWNING AND CONTROLLING NONPROFITS.
I THINK THAT IF THE CITY IS GOING TO PARTNER WITH A
NONPROFIT, IT SHOULD BE A NONPROFIT THAT IS KNOWN BY THE
PUBLIC AND HAS TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE
PUBLIC.
YOU ALL KNOW I'VE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE EDC WHICH DOES NOT
PROVIDE FULL TRANSPARENCY, ALTHOUGH IT'S A KNOWN NONPROFIT.
IF THEY ARE NONPROFITS -- SOUNDS LIKE SEVERAL NONPROFITS
OWNED BY THE CITY, I THINK WE NEED TO PROVIDE FULL
TRANSPARENCY ON WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.
IN THIS CASE IT APPEARS IT WILL BE TRANSPARENT BECAUSE IT IS
GOING TO A KNOWN NONPROFIT.
IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD WATCH THIS TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO
THE NONPROFITS ARE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO, HOW THEY ARE
GOING TO ALLOCATE THE MONEY, WHO THEY NEED TO DISCLOSE WHO
THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE AND HOW THOSE ARE MADE, ADMINISTRATIVE
FEES ARE AND IF IT IS A NONPROFIT OWNED BY THE CITY I THINK
WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY.
10:15:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SOMETHING TO BRING UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS,
SIR.
10:15:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS
27, 28, 29, AND THEN 31 THROUGH 37, AND THEN 39.
10:15:33 >>THE CLERK:
SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION FOR --
10:15:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
SUBSTITUTE ON 28.
10:15:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK BY STRANGE COINCIDENCE I POKED
DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE AS WELL THIS WEEK AND SPOKE WITH MR.
MASSEY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE -- BECAUSE I SAW THAT HE HAD
BEEN THE ATTORNEY WHO CREATED THE ONE TAMPA NONPROFIT, AND
SAW WHO SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE THAT WERE LISTED ON
THE STATE'S WEBSITE.
SO ANYWAY, WE HAD A LITTLE CHAT ABOUT IT.
THERE HE IS ON OUR SCREEN IN CASE HE WANTS TO GIVE US A
LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE VOTE.
10:16:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MASSEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:16:16 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YES, SIR.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ONE TAMPA INC. IS NOT INVOLVED WITH
ANY OF THE ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA.
ONE TAMPA INC. IS NOT REALLY THE PROGRAM THAT WE INSTITUTED
BACK IN APRIL OF 2020 WHEN COVID FIRST HIT.
THE NAMES ARE THE SAME, BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE TAMPA INC. WAS FORMED BY THE CITY.
IT'S PRIMARILY AN ENTITY TO PROVIDE -- TO SEEK PRIVATE FUNDS
TO ASSIST US IN OUR VARIOUS STRATEGIC EFFORTS.
SINCE IT RELATES TO THE CITY, ALL THE MEETINGS ARE IN THE
SUNSHINE.
THERE'S NOTICE TAKEN.
YOU ALL CAN ATTEND THEM.
WE HAVE MINUTES THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU.
MR. CARLSON IS CORRECT.
WE ARE STILL IN KIND OF THE ORGANIZATION STAGE OF THAT, BUT
THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF ONE TAMPA INC.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
10:17:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. MASSEY
STATES ON THE RECORD THAT THIS IS NOT FOR ANY NONPROFIT
THING OF ANY POLITICAL -- NO POLITICAL ENTITY.
JUST TO HELP SOMEBODY WHO IS IN NEED, IF I RECALL.
10:17:30 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CORRECT.
ONE TAMPA PROGRAM WAS SET UP TO HELP FOLKS AFFECTED BY
COVID.
ONE TAMPA INC. CANNOT BE POLITICALLY INVOLVED AT ALL.
IT'S JUST A FUND-RAISING -- PRIMARILY FUND-RAISING TO ASSIST
IN CHARITABLE EFFORTS AND COMMUNITY EFFORTS BY THE CITY.
10:17:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN FACT, I CONTRIBUTED TO ONE TAMPA BACK
IN APRIL OF 2020.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG, I NEVER WOULD HAVE MADE
A CONTRIBUTION TO THAT 501(C)(3) I GUESS.
THAT ORGANIZATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVE ALL THE
RECORDS FROM DAY ONE TO NOW?
10:18:10 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WELL, AGAIN, THE PROGRAM WAS SET UP BEFORE
THE CORPORATION WAS SET UP.
THE CITY PROGRAM, BUT, YES, FROM THE DATE OF INCORPORATION
ON, ALL THE RECORDS ARE PUBLIC RECORDS AND OPEN TO EVERYONE
FOR INSPECTION.
HAPPY TO PROVIDE ALL THAT INFORMATION TO ALL OF YOU.
IT'S TOTALLY BEING OFFERED, SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORDS AND
SUNSHINE.
10:18:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE OTHER 501(C)(3)s, DO THEY ADHERE TO
THE SAME RULES?
OPEN RECORDS, RECORDS OF EVERYTHING AS FAR AS TRANSPARENCY.
10:18:39 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
NOT EVERY 501(C)(3) IS SUBJECT TO PUBLIC
RECORDS AND SUNSHINE LAWS.
BECAUSE THIS IS RELATED TO THE CITY, WE ARE TAKING THE ADDED
STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS OPEN AND SUBJECT TO PUBLIC
RECORDS LAWS AND SUNSHINE.
10:18:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:18:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON HAS MOVED --
10:19:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE FOLLOW-UP.
EVEN IN THAT CONVERSATION, THE CONFUSION IS THE SAME NAME
HAS BEEN USED WITH A PROGRAM OF THE CITY THAT PROBABLY THE
CHECK YOU WROTE WENT TO THE CITY AND NOT THE NONPROFIT.
THE NONPROFIT IS NEW.
IT TURNS OUT ONE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS SENT US AN E-MAIL ABOUT
THIS ALSO.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE
PUBLIC THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO AND
NOT IMPLYING THAT ANYTHING WRONG HAS HAPPENED.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FULLY COMMUNICATE WITH THE
PUBLIC WHO IT IS, AND I WAS CONFUSED BY THE FACT THAT THERE
ARE TWO ENTITIES OR TWO PROGRAMS THAT HAVE THE SAME NAME.
10:19:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APOLOGIZE.
I NEVER GOT THE E-MAIL.
IF I DID GET IT, I DIDN'T READ IT.
I APOLOGIZE.
10:19:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAKE A MOTION, THEY CAN HAVE A REPORT AND
GIVE US SOME INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE ITEMS 27 -- WITH THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, ARE YOU
MOVING THAT SIR?
MR. CARLSON MOVES IT.
MR. MIRANDA SECONDS IT.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
10:20:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:20:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:20:09 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:20:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:20:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:20:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:20:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:20:15 >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:20:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON WILL STEP OUT A SECOND.
THE ALTERNATE WAS MR. VIERA.
10:20:23 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I HEREBY MOVE THE ITEM THAT -- WHAT ITEM WAS THAT?
10:20:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
38, SIR.
10:20:31 >>LUIS VIERA:
30.
I MOVE THAT ITEM.
38.
10:20:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:20:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA HAS MOVED ITEM 38.
MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED IT.
ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE ITEM?
10:20:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:20:45 >> CARLSON ABSTAINS.
10:20:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:20:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:20:48 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:20:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:20:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:20:51 >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.
10:20:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
MR. VIERA, TRANSPORTATION, ITEMS 40 THROUGH 41.
10:21:04 >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE ITEMS 40 AND 41.
10:21:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA MOVED IT.
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.
10:21:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:21:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:21:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:21:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:21:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:21:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:21:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:21:20 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:21:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 42.
10:21:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO SET PUBLIC HEARING FOR 42
THROUGH 47.
10:21:35 >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:21:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[INAUDIBLE] 42 --
10:21:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
43, 44, 45, 46 AND 47, I BELIEVE, SIR,
ARE ALL FOR AUGUST THE 26th AT 9:30 A.M.
I MOVE THOSE, SIR.
10:21:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA MOVED THOSE.
MR. MANISCALCO HAS SECONDED, I BELIEVE.
ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT.
10:22:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS 42 PART OF THE MOTION TO SET?
10:22:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT IS.
10:22:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
42 THROUGH 47.
10:22:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:22:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CLARIFICATION ON 42, DIFFERENT DATE, JULY
29 AT 10:30 A.M.
10:22:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU WOULD BE CORRECT, SIR.
10:22:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE PASSED 42 BY ITSELF EARLIER.
YES, SIR.
10:22:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WE HAVE A SECOND.
ROLL CALL VOTE, MR. SHELBY.
10:22:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, PLEASE.
10:22:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:22:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:22:35 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:22:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:22:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:22:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:22:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:22:42 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET SOMEBODY TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS.
10:22:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:22:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MR. CITRO HAS SECONDED.
ALL IN FAVOR?
10:22:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEMS 51 THROUGH 55, I BELIEVE --
10:23:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE SEEN AND WATCHED THE VIDEOS OF ITEMS
51 THROUGH 55.
I WAS ABSENT AT FIRST READING, AND I HAVE SEEN ALL THE
DOCUMENTATION.
THANK YOU.
10:23:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:23:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU HAVE THE 9:00
PUBLIC HEARINGS, 48 AND 49.
ARE THOSE OPEN?
10:23:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
EVERYTHING IS OPEN NOW.
GOING ON 10:30.
10:23:33 >>THE CLERK:
MINUS 56 BECAUSE IT IS NOT 10:30 YET.
10:23:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS IT THE COUNCIL'S INTENT TO GO IN ORDER
AND TAKE 48 AND 49 FIRST THEN?
10:23:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:23:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
10:23:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 48.
10:23:51 >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, JAN
McLEAN, OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
I'M HERE ON ITEM 48, THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR
THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION OF A BROWNFIELD FOR THE
REHABILITATION PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 376 OF FLORIDA STATUTES.
THIS PROPOSED BROWNFIELD IS A DESIGNATION OF A PROPERTY THAT
IS LOCATED AT 7210 INTERBAY BOULEVARD.
APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BY THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, HAS
BEEN REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF AND HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO MEET
ALL OF THE CRITERIA PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE.
THE DETAILS OF THE DESIGNATION HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN THE
STAFF REPORT THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE SIRE PACKAGE TO YOU
FOR YOUR REVIEW.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL
BE THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE COUNCIL WILL ADOPT A
RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS A
BROWNFIELD.
SO THIS PARTICULAR HEARING WOULD BE FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT
THAT ANYONE HERE TO MAKE COMMENT OR QUESTIONS THAT I COULD
ANSWER.
10:24:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
10:25:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. McLEAN, JUST TO LET THE RECORD SHOW,
THIS IS JUST FOR DESIGNATION OF BROWNFIELD.
IT HAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AT ALL.
10:25:11 >>JAN McLEAN:
CORRECT.
JUST THE DESIGNATION OF THE BROWNFIELD.
10:25:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR
NOT JUST FOR OURSELVES BUT THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:25:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SOME SPEAKERS READY TO SPEAK?
10:25:28 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED TO SPEAK OUTSIDE OF THE
APPLICANTS.
10:25:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
MS. McLEAN, ARE YOU DONE?
10:25:36 >>JAN McLEAN:
THAT'S ALL THE ACTION REQUIRED OF COUNCIL
TODAY.
THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK OR ANY QUESTIONS OR
ANSWERS TO BE HAD, AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE CITY
COUNCIL WOULD ADOPT THE RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY
AS A BROWNFIELD.
10:25:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:25:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.
JUST TO CONFIRM WHETHER THERE IS NO ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR
IN PERSON HERE TO SPEAK.
10:26:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS FROM THE LIST I
HAVE.
10:26:05 >>THE CLERK:
THEY ARE THE APPLICANTS.
10:26:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THIS ITEM?
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
10:26:25 >>JAN McLEAN:
THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE ONLY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS.
AS MR. CITRO HAD ASKED ME, THIS IS ONLY FOR THE DESIGNATION
OF THE BROWNFIELD.
WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GET OUT OF THE CONTEXT OF THAT.
10:26:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ON 48.
10:26:41 >>JAN McLEAN:
THERE'S NO MOTION.
THERE'S NO ACTION NEEDED TODAY.
IT WAS JUST THE PUBLIC HEARING.
10:26:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION TO CLOSE THEN PLEASE.
10:26:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED TO CLOSE.
SECOND?
SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:27:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING JUNE 24, 2021,
6 P.M. FOR ANYONE LISTENING.
10:27:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 49.
10:27:13 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
THIS IS DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.
ON THE NEXT FIVE-YEAR COMPONENT OF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT
TAX.
MA'AM, IF I COULD ASK YOU TO SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
ARE YOU SEEING IT ADEQUATELY?
10:27:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
10:27:48 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
OUTSTANDING.
OUTSTANDING.
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE THE SIXTH AND FINAL
FIVE-YEAR SEGMENT OF THE 30-YEAR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX OR
AS WE AFFECTIONATELY CALL IT, THE CIT.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND DISCUSSING
HOW WE PLAN FOR ITS EXPIRATION.
OF COURSE, AS WE DISCUSSED, THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT
ANOTHER CIT WILL FOLLOW THIS ONE.
I BELIEVE YOU HEARD COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SPEAK TO THAT
POSSIBILITY LAST WEEK, BUT IT'S ONLY SENSIBLE FROM OUR
PERSPECTIVE AT THIS TIME TO PLAN FOR NOT HAVING THAT FUNDING
IN FISCAL YEAR 2026.
FIRST, A QUICK REFRESH ON THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS AND HOW WE
GOT HERE.
AS YOU REMEMBER, IT IS A COUNTYWIDE HALF-CENT SALES TAX VIA
ORDINANCE IN THE SUMMER OF 1996 THAT INCLUDES THE COUNTY,
THE CITIES, AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.
IT SUCCESSFULLY WENT TO REFERENDUM IN THE FALL OF 1996.
PARDON ME.
AND HENCE 30 YEARS LATER JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FISCAL
YEAR 2026.
I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME AUTHORIZED USES YOU SEE HERE, GENERALLY,
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, FACILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC
SAFETY VEHICLES, AND DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECTS.
AS OF SEPTEMBER 2020, WE SPENT NEARLY ONE HALF A BILLION
DOLLARS.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE AN IMPORTANT REVENUE
SOURCE FOR US.
HERE IS OUR COLLECTION HISTORY.
YOU SEE IT STARTED OUT RATHER MODEST, ABOUT FIVE MILLION
DOLLARS.
AND OVERALL HAS CONTINUED TO INCREASE.
OF COURSE, THE GREAT RECESSION INTERRUPTED WHAT WAS QUITE A
RUN, AS DID THE PANDEMIC.
YOU CAN SEE WE WERE ON TRACK FOR QUITE A NICE INCREASE
THERE.
WE'LL SEE IF WE GET BACK TO IT.
BUT IT HAS COME FROM $5 MILLION ANNUALLY TO OVER $20 MILLION
ANNUALLY.
SO WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TRANSITIONING FROM THIS REVENUE
SOURCE.
DURING THE LAST FIVE-YEAR COMPONENT, THE OVERWHELMING
MAJORITY OF FUNDING THAT ISN'T OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR DEBT
SERVICE HAS BEEN USED TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU SEE HERE, PUBLIC
SAFETY VEHICLES, NEARLY $30 MILLION, AND PARKS AND
RECREATION PROJECTS, REPAIRS AND RENOVATIONS, NEARLY $9
MILLION.
LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, IT'S PRUDENT TO START THINKING HOW
WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE LOSS OF THIS REVENUE WHEN WE
STILL HAVE THESE NEEDS AND THE NEEDS ARE ONLY INCREASING.
SO TO THAT END, OUR NEXT SLIDES DETAIL OUR RECOMMENDED PLAN.
FIRST UP, OUR VEHICLES.
YOU SEE HERE AND AS I'VE SHARED WITH YOU, WE RECENTLY WENT
OUT TO AN EXTERNAL THIRD-PARTY PROFESSIONAL, AND THEY'VE
RECOMMENDED THAT WE INVEST $11 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR GENERAL
FUND VEHICLE REPLACEMENT.
WHEN I SAY GENERAL FUND VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, I DON'T
NECESSARILY MEAN SOLELY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S THOSE VEHICLES THAT CANNOT BE FUNDED, FOR INSTANCE, BY
YOUR UTILITIES, BY SOLID WASTE, BY WATER, WASTEWATER,
ET CETERA.
AND $11 MILLION IS QUITE A SUM, BUT LET ME BE CLEAR, OVER
THE YEARS WE'VE APPROPRIATED A GREAT DEAL OF FUNDING OF
VEHICLES, BUT WE HAVE AND HAVE HAD A GREAT DEAL OF VEHICLE
NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY, SO WE'VE FALLEN BEHIND.
QUITE SIMPLY, WE NEED TO CATCH UP WITH REPLACING VEHICLES
ACROSS THE CITY AND PLAN FOR THE NEW ONES GOING FORWARD.
OUR AGING FLEET CONTINUES TO HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON OUR
MAINTENANCE COSTS AND WORKLOAD.
SO THE MAYORS AND CITY COUNCILS CONTINUING EMPHASIS ON
PUBLIC SAFETY AND OUR NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES, YOU
SEE HERE WE CRAFTED A PLAN TO MAINTAIN THE RECENT CIT
FUNDING OF ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, AND
BEGIN TO RAMP UP THE GENERAL FUND SPENDING.
WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WE RUN OUT OF THAT CAPITAL -- I'M
SORRY, COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX REVENUE, THE SAME TIME, THIS
PLAN WILL ALLOW US TO CATCH UP ON THOSE VEHICLES BACK LOGS.
NEXT UP, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM.
AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE SYSTEM, MANAGING
OVER 3500 ACRES, NEARLY 200 PARKS, AROUND 1600 PROGRAMS.
THE LIST JUST GOES ON.
AND, BY THE WAY, IT'S NATIONALLY -- IT'S BEEN NOMINATED
NATIONALLY FOR A GOLD MEDAL, THREE YEARS IN A ROW.
WE'LL KNOW THIS YEAR BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
WE LOVE OUR PARKS, AND RIGHTLY SO.
SO, AGAIN, GIVEN THE MAYOR'S AND YOUR CONTINUING EMPHASIS
AND PRIORITY ON PARKS AND RECREATION, GOING FORWARD, WE
THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO CONTINUE THE PAST PARKS AND RECREATION
CIT FUNDING LEVEL OF ABOUT $8 MILLION OVER THE FIVE-YEAR
PERIOD, AND SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW WITH THE VEHICLES, START
RAMPING UP THE GENERAL FUND COMMITMENT FOR THAT TIME WHEN WE
DON'T HAVE THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX FUNDING ANY LONGER.
NOW, ON TO THE TOTAL FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, HERE'S WHAT THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE.
A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE MAIN
ITEM.
YOU SEE, OF COURSE, THE ESTIMATED REVENUES.
LITTLE OVER $20 MILLION A YEAR.
IF WE GET BACK ON TRACK, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WILL KEEP GOING
UP, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS, BUT YOU'VE HEARD ME MENTION DEBT
SERVICE AND BOND PAYMENTS EARLIER, AND YOU SEE HERE IN
YELLOW ABOUT HALF OF THE FUNDING THAT COMES IN EVERY YEAR IS
ALREADY OBLIGATED TO DEBT SERVICE, LEAVING US ABOUT 10
MILLION OR SO DOLLARS ANNUALLY.
HERE YOU SEE THE PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLE COMPONENT WE TALKED
ABOUT.
AND LINE NUMBER THREE, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, I'D LIKE TO
ENTER INTO MORE DETAIL.
THAT'S PRIMARILY PARKS, AS WE DISCUSSED.
LINE 8, LINE 9, REPAIR AND RENOVATION AND, OF COURSE, THE
MASTER PLAN COMING UP.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT A PLAN TO FUND WHAT WE
ANTICIPATE WILL BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN NEEDS FROM THAT
MASTER PLAN.
YOU WILL RECALL, COUNCIL, THAT WE RECEIVED A BUILD GRANT,
THAT'S $25 MILLION FOR COMPLETION OF THE RIVERWALK ON THE
WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER AND IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ROME AVENUE.
AGAIN, $25 MILLION.
THAT'S GREAT NEWS, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A $5 MILLION MATCH.
SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL ITS FORMER NAME OF TIGER, AND IT
SIGNIFICANTLY FUNDED THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RIVERWALK ON THE
EAST SIDE.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT ONLY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IN SUMMARY, THIS IS EXHIBIT A IN YOUR PACKAGE.
NEARLY $109 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS IN FUNDING THAT
CONCENTRATES OUR PRIORITIES, AGAIN, ON PUBLIC SAFETY
VEHICLES AND PARKS AND RECREATION.
BUT IS FRAMED TO GIVE US FLEXIBILITY AS OUR NEEDS, OUR
PRIORITIES, YOUR PRIORITIES MAY CHANGE OVER THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS.
FINALLY, OF COURSE, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPLETED RESOLUTION TO HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE TIME THIS MORNING AND THE TIME IN
OUR BRIEFINGS, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
10:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, I SAW YOUR HAND FIRST.
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:36:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, DENNIS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
ON A LIGHTER NOTE, I'M GLAD THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO USE THAT
GREEN PEN INSTEAD OF A RED PEN.
I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL IN REGARD TO THIS ITEM.
THE YOUNG LADY SORT OF ACCUSED THE CITY AND ACCUSED COUNCIL
OF NOT BEING ABLE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS, WHICH I THOUGHT
WAS A LITTLE HARSH BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY 25 YEARS AGO, AND
WE ALL REMEMBER IT.
MR. MIRANDA REMEMBERS IT VERY WELL.
PASSED THIS HALF-CENT SALES TAX.
WE IMPOSED IT ON OURSELVES AS A COMMUNITY BECAUSE AS A
COMMUNITY WE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO FUND
THESE PROJECTS.
AND OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, GOING ON 30 YEARS, I THINK THE
CITY HAS USED THE MONEY FAIRLY WISELY FOR PARKS AND REC, FOR
BUYING POLICE CARS, FOR BUYING FIRE ENGINES, ET CETERA, TO
THE TUNE -- AND THEN I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE
DONE FOR THESE BOND ISSUES, BUT PROBABLY RELATED TO SOME
BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WE KEPT OUR MILLAGE PRETTY MUCH STATIC FOR AS LONG AS I CAN
REMEMBER, EXCEPT FOR I THINK ONE YEAR WHEN IT WAS BUMPED UP
SLIGHTLY, I THINK, PERHAPS IN RESPONSE TO THE RECESSION.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE MILLAGE RATE HAS STAYED THE SAME.
AND WHEN YOU DO RUN INTO SHORTFALLS, IT'S WONDERFUL THE
COMMUNITY IMPOSED THIS HALF-CENT SALES TAX ON ITSELF TO HELP
WITH THESE IMPORTANT ISSUES.
SO MY ONLY QUESTION, AND YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY
THE OTHER DAY, DENNIS.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT A BEAUTIFUL RIVERWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE
RIVER AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NICE RIVERWALK ON THE
OTHER SIDE.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANY TALK WITH MS. DUNCAN OR ANY OF THE OTHER
FOLKS IN CONSTRUCTION ABOUT A POSSIBLE BRIDGE TO CONNECT THE
TWO?
IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD DO THAT WITH ANY OF THE TIGER,
SLASH, BUILD MONEY?
10:38:53 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I HAVE READER, OF COURSE, AT VARIOUS TIMES
OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY UPON RECEIPT OF THE TIGER GRANT
AND THE BLOSSOMING, IF YOU WILL, OF THE RIVERWALK ALONG THE
EAST SIDE, I HEARD OF A POTENTIAL BRIDGE CONNECTING THE TWO
SIDES.
I'VE SEEN NOTHING.
I WOULD DEFER TO MS. DUNCAN.
OF COURSE, WE CAN REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL.
I'VE SEEN NOTHING CONCRETE ABOUT THAT EVENTUALITY.
WE TALKED FROM A LOGISTICAL PERSPECTIVE HOW NICE IT WOULD
BE, ESPECIALLY IF THAT SIDE OF THE RIVER GETS AS ACTIVATED
AS THE CURRENT EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER.
NOTHING CONCRETE AS FAR AS I'M AWARE OF, THOUGH.
OF COURSE, SPECIFIC TO THE BUILD GRANT, WE CAN LOOK AND SEE
WHAT SORT OF RESTRICTIONS MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN PLACE
REGARDING.
10:39:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. ROGERO, I THINK I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF
OF COUNCIL, WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND KEEPING US
IN THE GREEN INSTEAD OF THE RED.
THANK YOU.
10:39:46 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
10:39:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, MR. VIERA, MR. MANISCALCO,
CITRO AND CARLSON.
10:39:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
ALONG WITH THE SAME LINES MR. DINGFELDER WAS SPEAKING ON,
SEE, THAT VOTE -- THERE WERE TWO VOTES TAKEN ON THE CIT TAX.
ONE WAS TAKEN IN FEBRUARY OF THAT SAME YEAR, THE LATTER IN
SEPTEMBER OF THAT SAME YEAR.
THERE WAS A VOTE TAKEN BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN FEBRUARY OF
THAT YEAR.
WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS: IT FAILED.
IT DIDN'T FAIL BECAUSE OF THE COMPONENTS.
IT FAILED BECAUSE THERE WAS LITTLE BACKING FROM THOSE THAT
WERE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THE ONE THAT WAS COMING BACK
LATER.
YOU SEE, IN FEBRUARY, NO ONE SPENT ANY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY
OR ANY AT ALL TO PASS THAT SO IT WOULD BE FOR THE SCHOOLS,
THE COUNTY, AND THE CITIES FOR THE PROJECT THAT THEY LISTED.
HOWEVER, IT NEVER CAUGHT FIRE BECAUSE THERE WAS LITTLE
DEBATE AND THERE WAS NOT ADVERTISING ON TV, ON RADIO, ON
NEWSPAPERS, BACK YOUR CITY OR BACK YOUR COUNTY OR BACK YOUR
SCHOOL SYSTEM, SO IT FAILED.
HOWEVER, THOSE THAT WANTED IT PASSED -- PARTICIPATE IN THE
FIRST ONE.
THE SEPTEMBER VOTE OF '96 PASSED IT ON A 51-49 VOTE, AFTER
SPENDING ABOUT $464,000 ON ONE SIDE AND THE PUBLIC SIDE,
MINIMAL TO NOTHING.
NOT A PENNY, MAYBE.
SO IT PASSED 51-49.
THE LION'S SHARE WAS TAKEN AWAY IN SOME INSTANCE.
NOT ONLY WAS IT TAKEN AWAY.
THERE WERE EVENTS PUT IN THE CONTRACT THAT IF SOMETHING
HAPPENED WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT ENTITY, I'M TRYING TO
MAKE IT AS VAGUE AS POSSIBLE SO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE
AT, THAT THE FIRST $2 MILLION OF ANY EVENT ON THAT LAND WENT
TO THE OWNER OF THAT TEAM.
THAT'S REALLY, REALLY NICE.
AND THE SECOND MONIES AFTER THAT FIRST TWO MILLION WILL BE
SPLIT.
WONDERFUL IDEA.
WHAT DID THEY DO FOR THE 2 MILLION AND WHAT DID THEY DO FOR
THE SPLIT?
TELL YOU WHAT THEY DID.
NOTHING.
THEY COLLECTED THE MONEY.
THE SPORTS AUTHORITY IS THE ONE THAT'S ON THE HOOK TO
PUTTING ON THESE EVENTS AT CERTAIN NAMED STADIUM.
THEY KEPT THE FIRST 2 MILLION OF THE MONIES AND THE SPORTS
AUTHORITY WAS ON THE HOOK TO MAKE THE MONEY.
I'M NOT AGAINST.
I'M NOT HERE TO ASK ANYONE TO LEAVE.
NOT HERE TO ASK ANYONE TO STAY, BUT THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF
CITIES.
IN FACT, GOING DOWN INTERNATIONAL.
BOTH.
MOST SPORTS NOW ARE NOT PLAYED IN AMERICA BECAUSE THEY HAVE
SATURATED THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SO MUCH THAT IN ORDER TO GET
MORE REVENUE IN, THEY HAVE TO GO TO MEXICO, SPAIN, ITALY,
BRITAIN, ENGLAND, SOMEWHERE TO GET THE FUNDS TO RAISE THEIR
REVENUES COMING IN.
I THINK THIS CASE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS HAD AN AWARENESS.
WHETHER I'M HERE OR NOT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF US WILL BE HERE OR NOT.
BUT WE HAVE TO GET PREPARED BECAUSE THIS IS JUST AROUND THE
CORNER.
FIVE YEARS MAY SEEM A LONG WAY OUT, BUT IT'S REALLY A SHORT
PERIOD OF TIME WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORY, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
NEXT FIVE YEARS.
IF THIS CITY, THIS COUNTY, AND THIS SCHOOL SYSTEM WANT
ANYTHING TO GO RIGHT, THEY BETTER START GETTING TOGETHER AND
START MAKING A PLAN.
I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY, BUT I WILL THE NEXT FEW
MONTHS, THAT THOSE THREE ENTITIES, THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE
COUNTY, AND THE CITY START LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
TO THIS AREA WHEN THIS TAX ENDS AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO
SUPPLEMENT IT.
BECAUSE IF IT ENDS THE WAY IT IS, WHERE IS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM
GOING TO GET THE MONEY?
WHERE IS THE COUNTY GOING TO GET THE MONEY AND WHERE IS THE
CITY GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING
NOW FOR 30 YEARS WITH THAT MONEY?
IT'S GOING THE RIGHT WAY.
I'M NOT HERE TO TAX THE PEOPLE.
THAT'S UP TO THEM.
BUT SOONER OR LATER, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER VOTE TAKEN ON HOW
WE WANT TO FUND THIS AREA.
I'VE HEARD RUMORS AND RUMORS YOU CAN'T RELY ON.
HEARD ONE RUMOR THAT ONE ENTITY WANTS SOMETHING TO COVER
SOMETHING THAT THEY NOW LEASE FOR ALMOST NOTHING FOR THE
NEXT 30 YEARS WITHOUT INCREASE IN RATE.
JUST THINK OF 30 YEARS.
I'LL GO BACK AND DO A LITTLE STUDY ON MY OWN.
WHAT GASOLINE COST 30 YEARS AGO, WHAT A LOAF OF BREAD COST
30 YEARS AGO AND WHERE IS IT AT TODAY.
WHAT AN APARTMENT RENTED FOR 30 YEARS AGO AND WHAT IT RENTS
TODAY.
WHAT AN AUTOMOBILE COST 30 YEARS AGO, WHAT IT COSTS TODAY.
WHAT WAS A TICKET TO RIDE AN AIRPLANE TO GO FROM POINT A TO
POINT B?
WHAT WAS YOUR INSURANCE ON THE CAR 30 YEARS AGO AND WHAT
DOES THE INSURANCE COST TODAY?
WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO REALIZE THAT
WE GAVE IT AWAY.
THAT'S GOT TO STOP, NOT ONLY IN THIS CITY -- AND THE WHOLE
COUNTRY HAS TO STOP.
WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS
WE HAVE TO DO YET WE CAN'T DO IT REALLY THE WAY WE WANT DO
IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, THE CASH, THE DOLLARS TO
DO IT WITH.
I'LL STOP THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE A SERMON, ALTHOUGH I STARTED TO GIVE
ONE, I'LL STOP MYSELF.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:45:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:45:01 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I WANTED TO SINGLE OUT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA YOU ALWAYS BRING
THIS ISSUE UP, SIR, SEEMS EVERY COUPLE OF MEETINGS.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THAT REGARD, COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
THERE ARE WANTS AND THERE ARE NEEDS.
A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT THIS TAX PAYS FOR ARE SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN WANTS AND NEEDS, BUT I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE NEEDS IN
OUR COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS IN WHICH YOU CAN SUPPORT PUBLIC
SAFETY AS A COMMUNITY, AND I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THAT IT
DOESN'T END WITH PUTTING A LAPEL, SOMETHING ON YOUR LAPEL OR
PUTTING A NICE STICKER ON YOUR CAR.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE TO DIG INTO YOUR PARKING LOT BECAUSE
FIRST RESPONDERS RELY ON PUBLIC BUDGETS.
PUBLIC BUDGETS ARE FUNDED THROUGH SOMETHING THAT IS A
FOUR-LETTER WORD IN POLITICS.
TAXES.
I GUESS A FIVE-LETTER WORD.
IN POLITICS.
WHEN THIS COMES UP FOR RENEWAL, WHATEVER TERM YOU WANT, SOME
SORT OF REPLACEMENT REVENUE TYPE OF MECHANISM, I HOPE THAT
WE HAVE THE LEADERSHIP TO LEAD WHENEVER IT COMES TO THIS
ISSUE, ESPECIALLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
I TALKED ABOUT FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF NOW HAVING A
PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, MAKING SURE
THAT WE KNOW WHERE ALL OF OUR DEFICITS ARE AT AND MAKING
SURE THAT WE HAVE A FINANCIAL BRIDGE TO ADDRESSING THOSE
DEFICITS.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I RAN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE ABOUT FIVE
YEARS AGO IS BECAUSE OF MY PASSION FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THAT CORE CRITICAL ISSUE IN THIS
REVENUE FORMULA BECAUSE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE WATCHING,
OUR COMMUNITIES ARE WATCHING.
BUT THE COMMUNITY -- THAT WORD IS USED A LOT -- THE
COMMUNITY HAS TO KNOW.
AND WHEN I SAY THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN ALL THE COMMUNITY HAS
TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE SAY WE SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND
THE WORK THAT THEY DO, OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THE WORK THAT
THEY DO, OUR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO,
THAT IS BACKED UP BY TAX MONEY.
THAT IS BACKED UP BY TAX DOLLARS.
TWO-THIRDS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET GOES TO PUBLIC
SAFETY.
THERE IS A REAL RELATEDNESS OR CONNECTED -- THERE IS A
CONNECTIVITY THERE THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW.
SO THIS ISSUE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST RESPONDER ISSUE.
AND IF WE AS A COMMUNITY LET THIS GO WITHOUT APPROPRIATE
FUNDS -- I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY -- TAKE A LOOK AT THE
NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN.
WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING BACKWARDS.
TAKE A LOOK AT TAMPA FIRE.
THESE ARE -- THESE AREN'T SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WANTS AND NEEDS.
THIS IS A CORE CRITICAL NEED.
TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, FIRE
STATION 13, ONE OF THE 50 BUSIEST FIRE STATIONS IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA -- STRIKE THAT, IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
THE BUSIEST FIRE STATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BY FAR AND
AWAY, THE NUMBER OF CALLS BETWEEN STATION 13 AND STATION 11
LEAVE A 25% DIFFERENCE.
BY FAR AND AWAY THE BUSIEST FAIR STATION IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
ONE OF THE 50 OR SO BUSIEST WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
OUR FRIENDS AT CHANNELSIDE BADLY NEED -- NEED A FIRE
STATION.
FOUR OUT OF THE SIX STATIONS WITH THE LONGEST RESPONSE TIMES
ARE IN A GROWING AREA OF THE CITY, NEW TAMPA.
WEST TAMPA, WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING,
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE'RE EXPANDING THINGS IN WEST TAMPA.
WHERE ARE THE ACCOMPANYING FIRE STATIONS FOR THOSE ISSUES?
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN VISION,
WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND.
WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.
YOU FAST-FORWARD FOUR, FIVE YEARS LATER TO THE ISSUE THAT
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH, WE'RE NOT
RUNNING BEHIND.
WE'RE GOING TO BE DROWNING.
AND IT'S UP TO US TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT IF YOU SUPPORT
FIRST RESPONDERS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SUPPORT MONEY TO
SUPPORT THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND THIS PROVIDES SUCH A KEY CRITICAL ISSUE FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY WHENEVER IT COMES TO OUR VEHICLES.
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ISSUE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:49:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:49:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. ROGERO, I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
AS THE CIT COMES TO AN END, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL REPLACE
THAT, IF ANYTHING.
LOOKING AT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION AND HOW THAT'S TURNING
OUT, WE DON'T KNOW EVEN IF SOMETHING GETS ON THE BALLOT, IF
IT WILL SURVIVE ON THE BALLOT AND HAVE THAT FUNDING MOVING
FORWARD.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, COUNCILMAN VIERA, THEY HAVE SAID A LOT
AND TOUCHED ON A LOT OF KEY POINTS.
MY THING IS, AND BEYOND THE IMPORTANCE OF FUNDING PUBLIC
SAFETY, BEYOND THE IMPORTANCE OF ALL THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE
MOVING HERE, ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND THE -- HOW BEHIND
WE ARE IN THOSE FIRE STATIONS, IN THOSE SERVICES THAT ARE
THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP.
WE'RE FALLING MORE AND MORE BEHIND.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I GET ARE THE QUALITY OF OUR
ROADS.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT STRICTLY A CIT ISSUE, BUT OUR ROADS ARE
DISGUSTING.
I DRIVE THROUGH THE CITY AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME COUNTY
ROADS WITHIN THE CITY AND CONFUSION OF WHO FUNDS WHAT.
BUT OUR ROADS ARE IN TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE SHAPE.
I KNOW WE APPROVED THE PIPES PROGRAM AND MANY OF OUR ROADS
WILL BE TORN UP FOR THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE LAID
DOWN AND REPAVED, BUT OUR ROADS ARE A MESS.
OUR SIDEWALKS ARE INCOMPLETE, LACKING, INEFFICIENT.
I THOUGHT THAT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION MOVING FORWARD AND
SURVIVING WOULD GIVE US THAT FINANCING AND THOSE FUNDS IN
PLACE TO REMEDY THOSE, AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT
MONEY.
BUT WE'RE FALLING FARTHER AND FARTHER BEHIND.
THE COST OF LIVING IS GOING UP.
WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP.
JUST THINGS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE, AND THAT
FUNDING ISN'T THERE.
LOOKING AT THE COMMUNICATIONS TAX AND THE LOSS OF REVENUE
OVER THE LAST 10, 20 YEARS, BECAUSE OF CELL PHONES AND
REPLACING LANDLINES AND WHAT THE CITY HAS LOST.
IT'S MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WHEN I HEAR COMMENTS OR READ COMMENTS THAT SAY "TAMPA
DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS," I MEAN, IT IS A
GENERAL IGNORANT STATEMENT.
LOOK AT THE SITUATIONS THAT WE'RE FACING.
OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT A STADIUM IN THE '90s.
OKAY, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IMPACTS OUR BUDGETS AND WHY
WE HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISIONS IN MOVING FORWARD.
WE HAVE NEEDS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID IT ALL.
WE HAVE CRITICAL NEEDS THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED BUT WE HAVE TO
LOOK AT HOW DO WE FUND THOSE THINGS MOVING FORWARD.
IF THE CIT -- WHEN THE CIT ENDS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS,
WHAT'S GOING TO REPLACE THAT?
THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER HIT TO OUR BUDGET MOVING INTO THE
LATTER PART OF THIS DECADE AND GOING FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL STOP THERE.
10:52:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:52:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WON'T PONTIFICATE TOO MUCH.
JUST GET TO A FEW POINTS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WHO HAS BEEN THE LEADER IN THE CIT TAX
AND HOPING TO GET A NEW TAX, AS HE STATED THERE WERE TWO
DIFFERENT VOTES.
THE FIRST VOTE WAS FOR FIRE AND POLICE AND FUNDING THEM.
THE SECOND VOTE CAME WITH ANOTHER INPUT, ANOTHER PART OF
THAT.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT'S HOW THE MAN IN BLACK GOT STARTED.
ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, WE ALL HEARD THE THINGS THAT THE
CITIZENS WANTED, REQUESTED FROM US.
THE BASIC NECESSITIES.
FRESH, CLEAN DRINKING WATER.
TAKE AWAY WASTE, BOTH SOLID AND LIQUID.
GOOD ROADS, BUT MORE ESPECIALLY, THEY SAID KEEP ME SAFE.
GIVE ME THE POLICE AND FIRE THAT WE NEED.
THIS TAX, I HOPE THAT OUR FRIENDS, OUR COLLEAGUES OVER IN
THE COUNTY ARE LISTENING, AND THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO COME UP
WITH ANOTHER FORM OF TAX THAT WILL HELP BOTH THE COUNTY WITH
SCHOOLS AND THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH OUR FIRE AND POLICE.
AS I MADE A STATEMENT LAST WEEK, WE NEED NEW BRICK AND
MORTAR AND FIRE STATIONS WITHOUT A DEBT.
MR. ROGERO, YOU HEARD THAT FROM ME EARLIER THIS WEEK ON MY
WISH LIST.
10:53:36 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
10:53:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. ROGERO, THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAVE
GIVEN US IS GREAT PLANNING, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE
DONE, AND AS I SAID TO YOU EARLIER THIS WEEK, WE NEED TO
PLAN FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.
PLANNING FOR THE WORST IS THIS TAX GOES AWAY.
HOPING FOR THE BEST IS, AGAIN, OUR COLLEAGUES OVER IN THE
COUNTY, CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR COME UP WITH ANOTHER FORM OF
-- AND I HATE TO USE THE WORD -- IT IS A TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE
WORD -- TAXATION TO FUND US TO KEEP US SAFE THAT WILL
BENEFIT OUR FIRE AND POLICE, BUT, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR. ROGERO, FOR THIS PLAN.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:54:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, WE ALL HAD GREAT POINTS.
10:54:37 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO ECHO SOME OF THE THINGS MY
COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID ABOUT THE NEED FOR INVESTING IN BASIC
INFRASTRUCTURE.
CHAIR GUDES HAS OFTEN SAID THAT HIS DISTRICT IS HUNGRY AND
WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS ISSUES IN EAST TAMPA AND THE REST OF
HIS DISTRICT.
MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS SOUTH TAMPA, I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS
BEING ANGRY.
WE GET SOMETIMES A HUNDRED OR MORE E-MAILS A DAY FROM PEOPLE
WHO ARE VERY, VERY UPSET.
THEY ARE UPSET THAT THEY PAY A LOT OF TAXES AND OVER THE
LAST FEW YEARS, THEY HAVE SEEN THEIR TAX MONEY GO TO
FRIVOLOUS PROJECTS LIKE A $12 MILLION BOATHOUSE ON THE RIVER
INSTEAD OF BEING SPENT ON BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY ARE MAD BECAUSE THEY PAY THE TAXES AND THEY DON'T SEE
THE IMMEDIATE BENEFIT OF IT.
IF YOU PAY A LOT OF TAXES AND YOUR ROAD IS TORN UP BECAUSE
OF POTHOLES AND THERE'S NO CITY MONEY TO REPLACE IT, THEN,
OF COURSE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANGRY OR THE CITY DOESN'T
HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT A STOP SIGN IN OR A RED LIGHT IN TO
PROTECT PEOPLE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANGRY.
ALSO, AS PEOPLE HAVE GONE OUTSIDE MORE DURING COVID, THEY
REALIZE THAT THEIR PARKS ARE FALLING APART.
IT'S NOT JUST PARKS FALLING APART IN EAST TAMPA.
IT'S PARKS FALLING APART IN SOUTH TAMPA.
WE HAVE BENCHES THAT PEOPLE CALL AND SAY THEIR KIDS GOT
SPLINTERS IN THEM BECAUSE THE BENCHES ARE FALLING APART.
SOME PLACES THERE AREN'T BENCHES AND NOT ENOUGH MAINTENANCE.
PEOPLE ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT.
THEY WANT THE CITY AND COUNTY TO COVER THE BASIC SERVICES
INSTEAD OF JUST SPENDING ON FRIVOLOUS PROJECTS.
YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, THE FOLKS IN SOUTH TAMPA
IN PARTICULAR I THINK DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY
BECAUSE I THINK THE PERCEPTION, THE REALITY IS THAT THE
POLICE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DO A GREAT JOB.
THEY KEEP FOLKS SAFE AND THEY SAVE LIVES EVERY DAY.
AND PEOPLE AREN'T SEEING THE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE
HAVING IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO FUND
ALL THE FUTURE NEEDS IN PUBLIC SAFETY OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
PROBLEMS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
ANYWAY, BOTTOM LINE IS I THANK ROGERO FOR FOCUSING ON THE
BASIC NECESSITIES.
YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING ROADS IN THIS.
ROADS AND FIXING POTHOLES IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART.
BUT FIXING PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT
AND ALSO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN PUBLIC SAFETY TO MAKE SURE
THE PUBLIC IS PROTECTED.
THANK YOU.
10:56:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.
I HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
MY BROTHER GAVE ME A CALL YESTERDAY MORNING AROUND ABOUT
8:00.
THERE WAS A YOUNG LADY, PROBABLY A 7- OR 8-MONTH OLD BABY, A
6-YEAR-OLD THAT WAS SLEEPING ON THE GROUND IN BETWEEN OUR
LOTS.
NO BLANKET.
NO NOTHING.
AND IT HAD BEEN REMOVED, THE MOTHER HAD NO PLACE TO GO.
I GOT THREE CALLS ON THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE OTHER
BUSINESSES CALLED ME ABOUT IT.
WHAT DISTURBED ME WAS ONE OF THE HOTELS, WHEN ALL OF THE
FOLKS SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THAT YOUNG MOTHER AND THE
CHILDREN, THEY TRIED TO GET HER A PLACE TO STAY AT ONE OF
THE LOCAL HOTELS, MOTELS.
SHE REFUSED.
REFUSED BECAUSE THE OWNER SAID MIGHT MESS UP THE SHEETS.
AND I LOOK AT THE LITTLE HOTEL, AND -- GET A CALL AROUND
5:00.
MOTHER STILL HADN'T FOUND A PLACE YET.
EVERYONE GAVE HER MAYBE SIXTY, SEVENTY BUCKS, I'M TOLD.
SO WE TALK ABOUT C.I.T. AND THESE PROJECTS, I LOOK AT
HOUSING.
INFRASTRUCTURE.
MR. VIERA, YOU TALK ABOUT THE WANTS AND THE NEEDS.
YES, WE NEED FIRE STATIONS.
WE NEED POLICE.
BUT WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE, HOUSING, GENTLEMEN.
I DON'T CARE HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU GOT NO PLACE TO STAY,
YOU GOT NO HOPE, YOU HAVE NOTHING.
YOU CAN'T LAY YOUR HEAD.
WE CAN'T CONTROL SOME OF THE HOUSING MARKETS, BUT IF WE HAD
DOLLARS OF OUR OWN NONSUBSIDIZED AREA WE WOULD BE ABLE TO
HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.
NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF LUXURY HOMES INTO MARGINALIZED
COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, THEY ARE
FORCED TO LIVE AT DIFFERENT PLACES.
FOR ME WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TAXES, TAX DOLLARS, TO KNOW
EXACTLY TAX DOLLARS BEING UTILIZED, AND TO HELP THOSE IN
NEED.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE, BUILDING
BUILDINGS THAT YOU CAN PUT PEOPLE IN, AND SOME OF THE
CONVERSATION WITH HOUSING, EVERYONE KNOWS OUR HOUSING
DEPARTMENT HAS A LOT OF CRITICAL ISSUES.
THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GET THE WORK OUT.
THE MONEY.
THEY AREN'T WORKING FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, AND NOW MR.
SHELBY AND A FEW OTHERS, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, LAND USE, TO
IDENTIFY HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS
WORKFORCE IT REALLY BOTHERS ME.
I LOOK AT THE CATEGORY THEY ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN, AND
DEVELOPERS.
YOU CAN'T BRING IN 300 UNITS AND SAY, OH, WE GOT 20
AFFORDABLE UNITS.
THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR PEOPLE.
SO IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING FOR ANOTHER TAX, THAT
HAS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT.
AND IT HAS TO BE THE FIRST COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT.
BECAUSE YOU CAN SELL THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, PEOPLE
NEED THE HOME, THE SHELTER.
IF I GOT A PLACE TO STAY, IF I AM WORKING AT McDONALD'S,
BURG AREA KING OR WALMART, I GOT SHELTER, I GOT HOPE.
BUT GOT TO FIND A PLACE TO GO.
LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT,
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T DO.
I CAN TELL YOU THIS COUNCIL -- MORE OF US TO MAKE SURE WE
GET ON BOARD.
THAT'S WHY I AM GLAD SOME OF YOU GET OUT AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE
LIVING THROUGH AND UNDERSTAND THE FACTUAL BASIS OF IT.
IF YOU DON'T VISUALIZE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, I DON'T
BELIEVE IT BUT ONCE YOU GET OUT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, AN
IDEA CAN HELP THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN -- SEEING WHAT THE PEOPLE
ARE SAYING BUT WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE
OF EVERYTHING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THINGS GROW.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?
MR. DINGFELDER, MR. MANISCALCO.
11:02:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU BRING UP SOME GOOD POINTS.
I DON'T KNOW, AND PERHAPS LEGAL CAN HELP US OUT OR DENNIS,
IF CIT MONEY EVEN CAN AT THIS TIME BASED UPON THE ORIGINAL
REFERENDUM, IF C.I.T. MONEY COULD BE USED FOR HOUSING, IF IT
COULD, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE A FEW MILLION GO IN THAT
DIRECTION, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
SO THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.
AND I SEE CATE POPPING UP.
MAYBE SHE'S GOT THE ANSWER TO THAT.
PERHAPS FUTURISTICALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW, HAVE WE AS A BODY
SENT A LETTER OVER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION IN REGARD TO
RE-UPPING THE NEXT C.I.T. AGAIN?
HAVE WE DONE THAT YET?
OKAY.
AND MAYBE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN NEW BUSINESS.
AND THEN SECONDLY, IF WE DO DISCUSS THAT AND DECIDE TO DO
THAT, MAYBE THE NEXT C.I.T. PROGRAM, IF THERE IS ONE, WOULD
INCLUDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE I
THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY KNOWS AFFORDABLE HOUSING
IS A VERY REAL NEED, AS REAL AS PUBLIC SAFETY AND IT
ACTUALLY IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY
ISSUE DOWN TO THAT INDIVIDUAL LADY WHO HAS BEEN SLEEPING ON
THE GROUND. ANYWAY, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS, CATE.
DID YOU WANT TO GIVE ME ANY GUIDANCE IN REGARD TO THE
CURRENTS PROGRAM?
11:04:18 >> BRIAN MORRISON.
SO THE PROCEEDS OF THE SURTAX HAVE TO BE SPENT IN VERY
SPECIFIC AREAS.
REQUIRING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT PURPOSES,
PUBLIC EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THE DEFINITION OF
INFRASTRUCTURE COMES FROM THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE THAT WAS ON
THE BALLOT WHEN THIS WAS PASSED.
BUT CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, CAPITAL OUTLAY ASSOCIATED WITH
CONSTRUCTION, OR IMPROVEMENT OF -- FACILITIES WHICH HAVE A
LIFE EXPECTANCY OF FIVE OR MORE YEARS, AND ANY LAND
ACQUISITION, LAND IMPROVEMENT [INDISCERNIBLE]
11:05:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO THE
POSSIBILITY THAT CONSTRUCTION IS ASSOCIATED WITH AFFORDABLE
HOUSING?
11:05:10 >> SIR, FOR A PARTICULAR PROGRAM LIKE THAT, THIS WOULD HAVE
TO BE INCLUDED.
I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED SOME TODAY ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
DO AS THIS PARTICULAR C.I.T. SURTAX HAS EXPIRED.
AS WE LOOK TOWARD THE NEXT ONE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT
WE WOULD WANT TO BRING UP, AND THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT
WE WANT TO FOCUS ON.
11:05:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I HEAR YOU FUTURISTICALLY BUT I MEAN WE
HAVE A LIST IN FRONT OF US TODAY THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE
AFFORDABLE HOUSE BEING.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, COULD IT INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF
THIS CITY AND THIS COUNCIL DESIRES?
BASED UPON YOUR READING OF THE EXISTING ORDINANCE AND
REFERENDUM?
11:06:02 >> BASED UPON MY READING, THAT WOULD BE QUITE A STRETCH.
WE DO HAVE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES, OF COURSE THAT CAN BE USED
FOR PUBLIC HOUSING, AND AS WE PRIORITIZE THOSE, I THINK IT
WOULD BE BEST TO LOOK TO THOSE OTHER REVENUE STREAMS, SO THE
FOCUS IN THAT DIRECTION.
WE WOULD BE REALLY STRETCHING THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE ARE
ALLOWED TO DO WITH THIS TAX IF SPENT IN THAT AREA.
11:06:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
11:06:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK PINELLAS DID IT WITH THE C.I.T.
PINELLAS DID INCLUDE HOUSING.
SO IF THIS BODY CHOOSES TO SEND A LETTER TO THE COUNTY I
THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED BECAUSE PINELLAS DID IT.
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:06:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
I JUST WANTED TO CITE, BECAUSE MY NAME WAS
MENTIONED, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS UNDER THE C.I.T. I
TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAMS UNDER THE C.I.T.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THINGS LIKE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FROM C.I.T.
I THINK OF THE TWO BIG TICKET ITEMS WHICH ARE PARKS AND
RECREATION, AND PUBLIC SAFETY, AND PARKS AND RECREATION
OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT IF YOU TAKE THOSE TWO ISSUES, PARKS AND RECREATION
VERSUS PUBLIC SAFETY, ONE IS LIKE I SAID SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A
WANT AND A NEED.
THE OTHER ONE IS A NEED.
A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I MEAN, THIS COUNCIL, OR THE PRIOR
COUNCIL, ADDRESSED I THINK A GOOD BALANCE ON THOSE WITH THE
FISCAL YEAR 2018 BUDGET WITH A MILLAGE THAT COUNCILMAN
DINGFELDER BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF THE HISTORY OF THE
MILLAGE RATE.
THROUGH THAT BUDGET WE WERE ABLE TO FUND A GOOD NUMBER OF
PARKS AS WELL AS FIRE STATION 23 AND SOME OTHER ISSUES.
BUT THE C.I.T. TAX AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHICH IS WHY I TALKED
ABOUT PARKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES WITH POLICE AND FIRE,
AND GO TO THAT.
NOW WHETHER WE HAVE A DISCUSSION TO EXPAND IT, THAT WOULD BE
GREAT.
BUT WITHIN THE UNIVERSE WE LIVE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST NOT AN
OPTION.
11:08:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. MANISCALCO.
11:08:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO PIGGYBACK ON SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS,
AND THIS IS NOT REALLY A C.I.T. TOPIC BUT YOU TALK ABOUT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND JUST MY THOUGHTS THIS MORNING WHEN I
WAS HAVING COFFEE, WE READ DAILY PROPERTY SOLD, APARTMENTS
COME, AND THIS PART OF THE CITY OR A CERTAIN PART OF THE
CITY, IN THE SOUTHERN PENINSULA, WHERE IT'S HAPPENING.
WHY DON'T THEY FOCUS, THESE DEVELOPERS, ON OTHER PARTS OF
THE CITY?
YOU HAVE A MOTHER AND HER CHILDREN IN A CERTAIN PART OF
TOWN, LET'S SAY EAST TAMPA, EAST OF THE INTERSTATE, DISTRICT
5.
WHY THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT FOCUSING ON THIS PART OF THE
CITY?
I HAD A CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY AND SAID WHAT IS THE
FOCUS POINT OF EAST TAMPA?
I SAID WHY NOT MAKE HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE LIKE A DALE MABRY,
MEANING THE INVESTMENT IN DALE MABRY, THAT WAS NOTHING 60
YEARS AGO, 50 YEARS AGO, NOT LIKE IT IS TODAY, WHEREAS
HILLSBOROUGH WAS A BUSY COMMERCIAL HUB WITH RESIDENTIAL ALL
AROUND IT.
IF THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE SO HOT
MAKING SO MUCH MONEY, WHY NOT TAKE THEIR FOCUS AWAY FROM
THAT GANDY AREA, THESE AREAS THAT FLOOD, THESE AREAS THAT
ZONE 1 EVACUATIONS, AREAS WHEN HURRICANES COME IN, PEOPLE
GOT TO GET OUT AND THERE'S NARROW ROADS, WHY DON'T THEY
FOCUS THEIR INVESTMENTS ON PARTS OF THE CITY THAT AGAIN IT'S
NOT A C.I.T. DISCUSSION, ON PARTS OF THE CITY THAT NEED THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHERE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A PARK AND
WALK TO WORK.
YOU HAVE A STRONGER MIDDLE CLASS AND INVEST IN THAT
COMMUNITY IN A IS LACKING AND PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE
NEEDED, THE DESIRE IS THERE, THE DEMAND IS THERE, YET THEY
ARE BUILDING MORE AND MORE APARTMENTS THAT ARE UNAFFORDABLE.
YOU LOOK AT THE RATE, IN NICER PARTS OF THE CITY, 1800 A
MONTH, 2,000 A MONTH, 2400 A MONTH FOR A SINGLE BEDROOM.
YOU GO TO A THREE BEDROOM, 3, 4,000.
HOW IS THAT AFFORDABLE?
WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING FOR A LIVING THAT THEY ARE ABLE
TO AFFORD THESE RENTS?
IT'S NOT HOME OWNERSHIP.
THIS IS NOT THE AMERICAN DREAM.
THEY ARE PAYING THE LANDLORD, PAYING THE DEVELOPER.
WHY CAN'T THE DEVELOPERS FOCUS THEIR ATTENTION ON OTHER
PARTS OF THE CITY?
WE NEED IT.
THE COMMUNITY DEMANDS IT.
THE DEMAND IS THERE.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
SO I KNOW THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISCUSSION IS NOT PART OF
THE DRI.
THE C.I.T. IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND PARKS AND WHATNOT.
BUT JUST TO GET THAT DISCUSSION GOING.
I DON'T GET IT.
IT'S JUST LIKE MORE APARTMENTS BEING BUILT.
IS THAT ALL WE ARE GOOD FOR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA?
AT LEAST DO IT RIGHT.
NOT ONLY SOUTH TAMPA, ONLY THIS, ONLY THAT. ANYWAY, I AM ON
A TANGENT HERE BUT I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY FRUSTRATION
BECAUSE WE GET E-MAILS AND CALLS DAILY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS FLOODED BECAUSE OF HIS DISTRICT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOT TO BE BETTER --
11:11:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL LET MR. CARLSON GO NEXT AND THEN I
WILL ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS I HAD ABOUT THOSE SAME CONCERNS.
11:11:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE
UP.
YOU KNOW THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR
THIS, TOO.
WITH OUR CRA HATS ON A YEAR OR SO AGO VOTED TO SPEND 30% OR
MORE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I MELT WITH THE CONSULTANT WHO IS DOING THE STRATEGIC ACTION
PLAN FOR EAST TAMPA, AND I HAVE ALSO MET WITH ANOTHER ONE.
MY FEEDBACK, MY NUMBER ONE FEEDBACK TO THEM WAS WHY ARE YOU
ROLLING MONEY OVER YEAR TO YEAR?
YOU SHOULD BE SPENDING IT.
THERE'S NEED RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S MONEY SITTING IN AN
ACCOUNT.
THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT.
WHY AREN'T WE MOVING FORWARD ON PROJECTS?
AND PART OF IT IS THAT THERE'S BUREAUCRACY IN SOME OF THE
STRUCTURES IN THE COMMUNITY.
ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK WE NEED TO -- IT'S PART OF
THE AMERICAN PROCESS, WE NEED TO DISTRIBUTE IT.
THERE ARE LOTS OF NONPROFITS AND EVEN FOR-PROFITS THAT BUILD
AFFORDABILITY HOUSING, AND WE NEED TO HAVE LOTS OF PARTNERS
TO BUILD HOUSING FASTER.
WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP AND PROVIDE A MORE EQUITABLE PROCESS
FOR BRINGING IN PARTNERS ON THESE PROJECTS.
AND WE KNOW FROM STUDYING POVERTY THAT IT'S ALSO NOT A GOOD
IDEA TO CREATE CONCENTRATED AREAS OF POVERTY, EITHER WE NEED
TO BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND SO I THINK
BY WORKING WITH SOCIAL AND OTHER ENTREPRENEURS, WE CAN HELP
MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
LAST THING REAL FAST IS THAT A FRIEND OF MINE WHO IS
BELOVED, I WON'T SAY HIS NAME, BUT A BELOVED SERVICE WORKER
IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I JUST FOUND OUT WAS WORKING WEEK TO WEEK, AND HE HAD TO
HAVE A HIP REPLACEMENT, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, HE COULDN'T
WORK ANYMORE.
BECAUSE HE WAS WORKING WEEK TO WEEK HE COULDN'T AFFORD TO
PAY RENT ANYMORE AND NOW HE'S STAYING IN A $65 A NIGHT
MOTEL.
AND WHAT IS THAT, $2,000 A MONTH WHICH IS A RIDICULOUS
OUNT.
THANK GOD THERE'S A NONPROFIT THAT'S HELPING HIM, AND I HAVE
HAD TWO PHONE CALLS WITH HIM ALREADY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
HOW WE CAN BRING SOME VOLUNTEERS INTO RESOURCES BECAUSE HE
HAS SO MANY FRIENDS TO HELP HIM.
BUT THAT'S JUST ONE PERSON.
WHAT DID THEY TELL US A YEAR AGO, 50,000 PEOPLE IN OUR CITY
IN OUR CITY DON'T HAVE HOMES.
THANK YOU.
11:13:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE IS A CRISIS.
I KNOW THE C.I.T. MONEY IS BUILT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND SO ON
AND SO ON.
BUT I DO KNOW IF THIS IS RE-UPPED, WE HAVE GOT AN INCLUSIVE
THING, AND I THINK THE VOTERS WILL GO FOR THAT BECAUSE
THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT.
MR. CARLSON, I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A BIG FAN BUT I HAD A TOUR,
GAVE THEM A TOUR OF THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, BECAUSE I NEED TO
GO IN THERE AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL AREAS,
PROPERTIES THAT ARE JUST SITTING, AND TRY TO BRING SOME JOBS
TO GET THE ECONOMY, A PLACE TO WALK AND WORK OVER THERE.
AS RELATES TO HOUSING, MR. MANISCALCO, I DID HAVE A MEETING
WITH HOUSING.
MR. BRYANT, WHO IS THE ATTORNEY, ABOUT WE ABOUT HOW WE CAN
COME UP WITH BIG-TIME APARTMENTS, AND PEOPLE BEING FORCED
OUT.
BUT TO LOOK AT ZONING, I ASKED ALSO TO COME BACK AND TELL ME
WHAT AN ESSENTIAL WORKER IS, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THE CITY HAS A POLICY, THEY DON'T -- COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE GOT
WORKFORCE HOUSING, LIKE, WAIT, THIS NUMBER OF HOW MANY
DOLLARS THERE ARE.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE POLICIES HERE AS RELATES TO
SOME DOLLARS.
I ALSO TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF TO HAVE A NONPROFIT FUND
THAT THE GENERAL FUND, THEY NEED TO START PUTTING A SEPARATE
FUND FOR HOUSING BECAUSE A LOT OF PROGRAMS, GOVERNMENT
RELATED, AND PEOPLE CANNOT GET IN THOSE PROGRAMS FOR
WHATEVER REASON.
THEY ARE TOO DIFFICULT.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I KNOW STAFF IS LISTENING,
WATCHING, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO START DOING WORK ON.
ALSO, WHILE I HAVE YOU ON THE LINE, I AM GOING TO TALK TO
MRS. VAN LOAN TO GET WITH YOU, SIR, BECAUSE WE HAVE OH TO R
TO SEE HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE THE CRA DOLLARS WE HAVE NOW FOR
BOND, MONEY IN THE BANK.
I TALKED TO ONE OF THE GUYS WHO RAN SEVERAL CRAs, AND
LEVERAGE THOSE CRA DOLLARS AND HAVE MORE CAPITAL TO START
DOING MORE WORK RAPIDLY TO HAVE THOSE FUNDS.
THAT'S A CONVERSATION I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GET WITH MRS. VAN
LOAN HOW WE CAN START LEVERAGING THOSE DOLLARS AND HAVE MORE
MONEY WITH THE DOLLARS WE HAVE.
MR. MANISCALCO AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS IN FOR
FINAL LANDING.
11:16:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE'S NO EXCUSE WHY HOMELESSNESS
SHOULD EXIST IN 2021 ESPECIALLY IN THIS COUNTRY.
SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, WE HAVE TO
TAKE THOSE STEPS.
MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
11:16:39 >> SECOND.
11:16:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA SECONDS.
ALL IN FAVOR?
11:16:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:16:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
BRYAN, CATE?
11:16:52 >> YES.
IF WE CAN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE A RESOLUTION.
11:16:57 >> SO MOVED.
11:17:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:17:06 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:17:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
11:17:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE?
SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANYONE OPPOSED?
MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED.
DINGFELDER SECONDED IT.
DO WE NEED ROLL CALL, MR. SHELBY?
INCHES YES, SIR, PLEASE.
11:17:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:17:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:17:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:17:39 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:17:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:17:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:17:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:17:44 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:17:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FOLKS, I KNEW WE TOOK A LOT OF TIME ON
NUMBER 49 BUT YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF PASSION ON EVERYONE HERE
AND UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE HAVE TO GET A PLAN AND GET IT DONE.
SO WE APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LONGER BUT EVERYONE IS PASSIONATE
ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
ITEM NUMBER 50.
11:18:00 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
MANAGEMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT BRIAN MORRISON WANTED TO LEAD OUT ON ITEM 50
THIS MORNING.
11:18:23 >>BRIAN MORRISON:
YES, THANK YOU, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS THE FIRST TWO OF REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS TO BE HELD
BY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN ADDRESSING
FEDERAL CDBG, ESG, HOME AND HOPWA PROGRAMS.
U.S. HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE CITY
OF TAMPA CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN DICTATES THAT THIS FIRST
PUBLIC HEARING MUST BE HELD BEFORE THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN IS
PUBLISHED FOR COMMENT.
ON JULY 29, 2021, A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD BY
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADOPTING THE FISCAL
YEAR 2022 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.
MS. FEELEY WILL NOW PROVIDE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND THE
PUBLIC WITH MORE DETAIL REGARDING THE 2022 ANNUAL ACTION
PLAN AND PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PLAN.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS ENCOURAGED NOW AND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE
ANNUAL ACTION PLAN UPDATING AND ADOPTION PROCESS.
11:19:19 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU, BRIAN.
IF I CAN GO AHEAD AND SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO LOOK AT MY PRESENTATION?
11:19:55 >> YES.
11:19:57 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
CHAIRMAN GUDES AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL,
WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.
I THINK THE DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL JUST HAD IS A REALLY
GREAT SEGUE INTO PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
WITH YOU THIS MORNING ABOUT OUR HUD FUNDING THAT COMES IN
AND THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN WHICH REALLY IDENTIFIES THE
ACTIVITIES FOR THE COMING YEAR, THAT THOSE FUNDS WOULD GO
OUT TO AGENCIES FOR.
AND OVER THE PAST YEAR, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO DELIVER
SERVICES FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, RANGE FROM REHABILITATION,
EXISTING HOMES, THE CREATION OF NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING
UNITS, AS WELL AS HOME OWNERSHIP SUPPORT, ASSISTANCE, AND
HOMELESS SERVICES.
I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU THIS MORNING.
AND IT HAS BEEN PREPARED BY KAON HENDERSON, OUR ACTING
MANAGER AND MYSELF, AND KAON IS A BIT UNDER THE WEATHER THIS
MORNING.
SHE IS ON FOR SUPPORT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I MAY NOT
BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THIS MORNING BUT I WAS GOING TO GIVE
IT MY BEST SHOT.
AND WHAT WE'LL REALLY DISCUSS UP WITH THIS MORNING IS OUR
FEDERAL FUNDS, THE HUD FUNDS THAT COME IN, AND MANY OF THESE
DO HAVE QUITE LENGTHY REGULATIONS AS TO HOW WE CAN SPEND
THOSE MONEYS.
ON AVERAGE WE GET ABOUT 9 TO $10 MILLION A YEAR, AND SOME OF
THOSE FUNDS ARE 3 YEAR CONTRACTS AND SOME OF THEM GO ON
ANNUAL CONTRACTS.
SO QUICKLY WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER THE PURPOSE OF OUR ACTION
PLAN PROPOSED FUNDING THAT WOULD BE COMING IN FOR FISCAL
YEAR '22.
OUR PRIORITIES.
AND THEN PUBLIC INPUT.
AND I JUST BRIEFLY WENT OVER, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE
CONSOLIDATED ACTION PLAN WHICH IS A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, AND EACH
YEAR WE PREPARE THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.
AND THE ACTIVITIES IDENTIFY IN THE ACTION PLAN ARE SUPPORTED
BY FOUR FUNDING SOURCES.
THESE ARE ALL FEDERAL SOURCES.
THE CDBG FUNDS, THE ESG FUNDS, WHICH ARE EMERGENCY GRANTS,
HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, FOR PEOPLE WITH AIDS, AND I KNOW WHEN
WE PRESENTED TO YOU IN OCTOBER, ON OUR ANNUAL ACTION PLAN,
THAT WAS A LITTLE LATE ADOPTION.
THIS YEAR, WE EXPRESSED TO YOU THAT WE ACTUALLY RUN THE HAP
PA PROGRAM FOR FIVE SURROUNDING COUNTIES.
SO PART OF WHAT YOU SAW ON THE AGENDA WAS MONEYS ASSOCIATED
WITH THAT AS WELL.
THEN WE HAVE OUR HOME INVESTMENT PROGRAM.
THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY OF EACH OF THOUGHTS GRANT FUNDS AND
HOW AND OWN WHAT THEY CAN BE SPENT.
AND OUR ESG AND OUR HOPWA OR ON A THREE YEAR CONTRACT AND
THAT CAME TO YOU LAST YEAR.
THIS YEAR WE ARE REALLY FOCUSING ON OUR CDBG AND OUR HOME
FUNDS.
WHAT I HAVE DONE HERE IS SHOWN YOU THOSE SIX CATEGORIES OF
WHAT HUD BELIEVES OUR PRIORITY NEEDS AND THEN IN THE ITALICS
ARE OUR CURRENT PROGRAM THAT ALIGN WITH THOSE NEEDS.
WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE OTHER PROGRAMS, OR
ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THESE PRIORITY
NEEDS, AND THAT'S PART OF THE FEEDBACK WHERE WE ARE HOPING
TO GET FUNDS TODAY FROM YOU, AS WELL FROM OUR ASSISTING
AGENCIES AND OUR CLIENTS THAT WE ARE SERVING THROUGH THESE
PROGRAMS.
HERE IS THE ESTIMATED FUNDING AWARDS.
AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, THE HOPWA AND ESG FUNDS ARE ON THREE
YEAR CONTRACTS AND THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED, 4.3
MILLION AND THE 274,000.
THE SHIP FUNDS ARE THE FLORIDA FUNDS THAT COME FROM THE
STATE OF FLORIDA.
SO THE TWO PRIMARY FUND SOURCES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WE
WILL BE WORKING FOR ASSIGNMENT THROUGH THE ACTION PLAN ARE
THE CDBG AND THE HOME FUNDS.
SO BASED ON THE NUMBER THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING FOR FY 22
THAT SHOULD BE ABOUT $5 MILLION.
YOU CAN SEE HERE A TOTAL, THAT THERE IS ABOUT $15 MILLION IN
GRANT FUNDS COMING FROM THESE FIVE PROGRAMS IN THE HOUSING
AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR PROGRAMMATIC EXPENSES AND THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR PROGRAMS FOR FISCAL YEAR 22.
TODAY IS THE KICKOFF.
THESE ARE STATS FROM THE HUD PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE
ARE THIS MORNING, CHECKING ALL THE BOXES IN ORDER TO FULFILL
OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO RECEIVE THESE FUNDS FROM HUD.
TODAY, JUNE 3rd, WE ARE LAUNCHING WITH YOU IN THIS FIRST
PUBLIC HEARING, TOMORROW WE WILL RELEASE THE RFA ON OUR
WEBSITE FOR THE CDBG AND HOME FUNDS, AND THAT WILL BE A
REQUEST FOR APPLICANTS -- FOR APPLICATIONS, AND THESE ARE
FROM TYPICALLY OUR RECIPIENTS THAT PUT IN TO BE FUNDED AND I
KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS OVER THE YEARS WHEN
THESE PRESENTATIONS WOULD COME BACK TO YOU OF DIFFERENT
AGENCIES REQUESTING MONEY FOR CDBG FUNDS AND HOW THOSE WERE
GOING TO BE ALLOCATED.
AND TOMORROW WILL BE THAT KICKOFF.
THAT IS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
IT'S ALSO BEING POSTED IN THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES," LA GACETA,
SENTINEL, AS WELL AS DEMAND STAR, WHICH IS THROUGH THE
PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, TO NOTIFY ALL THE POTENTIAL
APPLICANTS THAT THIS PROCESS IS OPENING.
WE WILL BE CONDUCTING A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WORKSHOP ON
JUNE 15th, AND THAT IS LIKE ANY STANDARD RFP OR RFA THAT
GOES OUT, A WORKSHOP, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS TO COME
IN, AND THEN WE PROVIDE RESPONSES TO THAT.
WE HAVE THE RFA SUBMISSION.
THAT LINE COMING ON JUNE 25.
THEN THE 30-DAY COMMENT PERIOD BEGINS ON JUNE 29th.
THIS WHOLE PROCESS WILL TAKE PLACE AND THEN WE WILL COME
BACK BEFORE YOU WITH THE FINAL -- THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN
WITH ALL OF THESE INPUTS AND ALL OF THESE ALLOCATIONS FOR
YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION ON JULY 29.
AND THEN IT GOES TO HUD FOR ACCEPTANCE AND FINAL APPROVAL.
AND THEN WE WOULD BEGIN WITH THOSE FUNDS COMING ON OCTOBER
1.
BRIEFLY, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU ON OUR WEB PAGE, THE
REQUEST, IT WILL BE POSTED THERE, AND THAT STARTS TOMORROW
MORNING.
WE ALSO DO PRESENTATIONS.
WE HAVE A SURVEY INSTRUMENT THAT WILL GO OUT.
I HAVE THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
THROUGH OUR AGENCIES WHO ARE CURRENTLY SUBRECIPIENTS, AS
WELL AS MANY OF OUR OTHER PARTNER AGENCIES.
THE SURVEY GOES OUT TO THEM, AND THEIR CLIENTS.
AND THEN THAT INFORMATION COMBS BACK TO US, AND IT HELPS US
TO DRAFT THE SERVICES THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING.
IT DOES GO OUT -- AND WE COLLECT THOSE, TYPICALLY THIS HAS
BEEN DONE THROUGH A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, WILL GO OUT
TO LIBRARIES IN THE COMMUNITY, AND HOLD DIFFERENT COMMUNITY
MEETINGS, BUT DUE TO COVID BOTH LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR,
THAT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED.
SO WE HAVE BEEN USING OTHER MECHANISMS TO GET THAT
INFORMATION OUT.
THIS SURVEY ALSO IS PUBLISHED ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO PART OF US BEING HERE TODAY IS ALSO GETTING THAT WORD OUT
TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THOSE THAT WE CAN SERVE TO GET THEIR
FEEDBACK ON THOSE ITEMS OF GREATEST NEEDS, THAT THESE
PROGRAMS CAN START TO FOCUS ON.
11:28:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ABBEY?
11:28:44 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, SIR.
11:28:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT SURVEY YOU HAVE, I KNOW HOW SURVEYS
KIND OF WORK SOMETIMES AND YOU DON'T GET ALL OF THE BACK
INFORMATION.
I'M HOPING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL LOOK AD AT MAYBE
SOME PSAS ON TELEVISION, RADIO AND TV STATIONS, HOW THIS
SURVEY RELATES TO HOUSING.
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY SEE HOUSING, THEIR ANTENNAS KIND
OF GO UP.
WE NEED TO DO A MORE ROBUST COMMUNICATION WITH THIS VERSUS
JUST BRINGING SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE.
AND SOME PEOPLE -- A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.
THEY NEED TO KNOCK ON DOORS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO KICK THE FOOTBALL DOWN THE FIELD A
LITTLE FURTHER TO HAVE A ROBUST COMMUNICATION, TELEVISION
STATIONS, PSA ASKING THEM TO HELP US TO GET THE WORD OUT.
THIS HAS GOT TO BE CRUCIAL.
THANK YOU.
11:29:52 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I'LL SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO SERVE THAT
NEED.
I KNOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, AND ARE WAITING
THROUGH THE TYPICAL FORMAT.
NOT TYPICAL ROLLING OUT FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR BUT
WE'LL DEFINITELY CAST A WIDE NET.
SO THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE HERE THIS MORNING TO ALSO JUST
ASK, I HEARD DEFINITELY SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURES, I MEAN,
WE DO HAVE LOTS WITHIN OUR OWN PORTFOLIO THAT DO NOT HAVE
WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION RIGHT NOW, AND THERE IS SOME
POTENTIAL THROUGH CDBG FUNDING TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH MONEY TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS
NECESSARILY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD BE AND WE
ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT HAVING THE CITY APPLY AS AN APPLICANT
TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, BUT BASED ON YOUR
CONVERSATION THIS MORNING, I DID ALREADY REACH OUT TO KAON
AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY FOR US TO POTENTIALLY USE SOME OF
THE FUNDING THAT WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE COMING IN TO LOOK AT
THAT, AND POTENTIAL TO CREATE SOME OF THOSE LOTS BE
BUILDABLE AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THOSE STRUCTURE
CONNECTIONS.
WE HEAR A LOT DURING YOUR WEEKLY DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT THE
PRIORITIES ARE AND HOW DO WE START TO INCENTIVIZE HOUSING IN
OTHER AREAS.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PRIORITIES
FOR HOUSING RIGHT NOW, THE PURE INCREASE IN OUR INVENTORY,
AND ALSO I KNOW THE OWNER OCCUPIED REHABILITATION PROGRAM,
AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT AS PART OF THIS YEAR'S
BUDGET, WE DID PUT IN TO GET SOME GENERAL FUNDS TO SUPPORT
SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS.
AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, WE DO HAVE A LIMITATION BASED ON
THE GRANT THAT COMES IN THAT WE CAN ONLY GO UP TO 80% OF
AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AND THAT DOES LIMIT THE POPULATION THAT
WE CAN ASSIST WITH THESE PROGRAMS.
SO WE DID REQUEST GENERAL FUNDS THIS YEAR TO START BRIDGING
THE GAP, WHAT WE CALL THE MISSING, AND BEING ABLE TO GO UP
TO 140% OF AMI.
AND IN THE INDUSTRY DISCUSSIONS THIS IS REALLY WHAT MANY
PEOPLE REFER TO AS WORKFORCE, THAT 120 TO 140 AMI, THAT 100
TO 140 AMI.
SO WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THOSE SERVICES.
WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD GIFT WITH
MANY OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BUT EXPECTING TO
DO MORE GRANT FUNDING.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP TO ANY
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, INPUT THAT YOU ALL HAVE THIS MORNING,
GET US ON OUR WAY, GET THE REQUIRED HAD YOU HAD FUNDS
UNDERWAY AND WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU ON THE 29th.
11:33:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ABBEY, I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL THE OTHER DAY, AND IT MADE SENSE
TO ME.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, THESE
MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, THEY DIE, AND WE CAN'T FIND
ANYBODY, AND THEN THE PROPERTY GOES INTO FORECLOSURE.
AND THEN WRITE UP VIOLATIONS ON THE PROPERTY, VIOLATIONS IT
PROPERTY, AND GET LIENS ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT THE BANK HAS A LIEN.
THE BANK IS FORECLOSED.
AND THAN THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, IF WE KNOW THIS IS
HAPPENING BEFORE IT GETS THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD, WHY CAN'T
WE LOOK AT HAVING A PROGRAM TO WHERE EVEN WITH THE CRA, OR
WE JUST GO AND BUY THAT PROPERTY, AND SAVE THAT PROPERTY
BEFORE IT NEEDS ALL THE REPAIRS AND WORK ON IT.
IT MADE PERFECT SENSE TO ME.
IF HE DIED AND HE HAS NO FAMILY AND NOW WE SEE HOW THE
PROPERTY IS STARTING TO DETERIORATE, WE DO NOTHING.
NOW WE GET SQUATTERS, WHATEVER, PEOPLE, DRUG OR ALCOHOL,
START TO TEAR THE PROPERTY UP, WE HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE.
WE ARE REACTIVE.
WE HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE AS WELL TO BE ABLE -- I ALWAYS
TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
THE POLICE, THE FIRE, YOU HAVE GOT PUBLIC WORKS, YOU HAVE
ACTUAL CITY WORKERS EVERY DAY GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY,
SOLID WASTE GUY, LOOKING AT HOUSING PROPERTY.
WE SHOULD HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO WHERE WE IDENTIFY, SUCH
AND SUCH STREET, AND WE HAVE SOME SQUATTERS HERE, WE HAVE
GOT SOME PROBLEMS.
AND WE RUN A SEARCH TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, AND IN THE CRA,
IN MARGINALIZED AREAS, SAY HOW DO WE BUY THAT PROPERTY?
REHAB IT, SO WE DON'T NEED THAT MUCH MONEY INTO THAT REHAB.
WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT DEALS WITH -- WE HAVE PARROT, IT'S ON
THE TIP OF MY TONGUE, AND ENCOURAGING THOSE BECAUSE EVERYONE
DOESN'T NEED A NEW HOME.
WE NEED TO START ENCOURAGING THAT PROGRAM AS WELL, PUTTING
THAT OUT THERE.
WE NEED TO START REHABBING SOME OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES
AND START THAT PROGRAM TO GET PEOPLE IN THAT'S AFFORDABLE
AND GET THEM IN.
WE NEED TO START THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX RATHER THAN BEING
REACTIVE, AND LOOK AT THOSE PROGRAMS AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE
FUNDS THAT YOU HAVE TO REALLY HELP THOSE PEOPLE OUT, AND
AGAIN START PUSHING, ADVOCATING BUYING THOSE PROPERTIES
EARLY VERSUS WAITING FOR ALL THESE LIENS TO GET ON, WHICH
THERE ARE LIENS.
AND GET THAT BALL ROLLING.
SO I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, TO GET A GENERAL
IDEA OF THAT.
NO IDEA IS A BAD IDEA.
YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THE RIGHT IDEA GOING.
THESE MY TAKE ON THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE STOCK THAT WE
CURRENTLY HAVE.
WE HAVE GOT STUFF THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
LET'S TAKE IT BEFORE IT GETS DILAPIDATED AND I KNOW WE CAN'T
DO ANYTHING WITH IT AND STILL TRYING TO GET ALL THIS
INFORMATION.
ANYBODY ELSE?
ALL RIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MS. FEELEY?
11:36:56 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I BELIEVE WE WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND --
GO AHEAD, BRIAN.
11:37:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I LIKE BRIAN.
PUT SOME IDEAS OUT.
11:37:09 >>BRIAN MORRISON:
I WAS JUST GOING TO REMIND YOU TO PLEASE
CHECK WITH THE PUBLIC AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INPUT AS
RELATES TO ESPECIALLY THE CDBG AND THE HOME PROGRAM THAT WE
WILL BE OPENING UP TOMORROW.
11:37:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR
ANYONE REGISTERED?
11:37:25 >> NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM REMOTELY.
11:37:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
11:37:31 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:37:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO.
MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:37:47 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SET THE
PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE JULY 29th DATE?
AND WE INDICATED TO BRING YOU BACK THE ACTION PLAN FOR
CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION.
11:38:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LOOKING AT THE 29th.
OR IT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED.
BRIAN?
11:38:13 >>BRIAN MORRISON:
YES, SIR.
WE HAVE HAD A MOTION ON THIS ALREADY.
WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A RESOLUTION JUST TO
SOLIDIFY IT SO IT'S OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:38:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S THE 29th?
11:38:26 >>BRIAN MORRISON:
YES, AND THAT WILL BE AT THE NEXT --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
11:38:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE PUT THROUGH
SIRE FOR THE NEXT AGENDA.
IS THAT CORRECT?
11:38:39 >> CORRECT.
A MOTION WAS MADE AT THE LAST --
11:38:42 >>> I WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
11:38:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HE WITHDREW IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
WE GO TO ITEM 51.
THEY ARE ALREADY OPEN.
11:38:53 >>RYAN MANASSE:
I NEED TO BE SWORN IN WITH ANY OF THE
AGENTS OR SPEAKERS.
11:39:02 >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AIR R AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE
ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
11:39:09 >> I DO.
11:39:10 >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
11:39:11 >>RYAN MANASSE:
ITEM NUMBER 51 --
11:39:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANASSE, CAN YOU GET THE PRESENTATION
ON THE SCREEN? THANK YOU.
11:39:29 >>RYAN MANASSE:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 51 FILE REZ 20-83, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
TO YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FOR REZONING THE
PROPERTY AT 1909 WEST ERNA DRIVE.
THE REQUEST WAS FROM RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
THE REVISED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO OUR DEPARTMENT
AND CERTIFIED AND TURNED OVER TO THE CITY CLERK AND STAFF IS
AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
OOPS.
11:39:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS BY STAFF?
APPLICANT?
11:40:04 >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU MAY UNMUTE YOURSELF.
11:40:18 >> MICHELLE LAMONT:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
I AM HERE TODAY, FOR THE SECOND HEARING TO HAVE APPROVAL
FROM AN RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO A PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
I DO OWN THE HOME.
WE HAVE POSTED THE PROPERTY AND WE HAVE NOTIFIED ALL
RESIDENTS, ALSO ALL CHANGES, CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN,
AND ANY ADDITIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AS PER THE COUNCIL'S
REQUEST.
AND I AM RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR AN APPROVAL TO GRANT THIS
AND BUILD A HOME ON THIS PROPERTY.
11:41:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?
ANY SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED DEPUTY CLERK?
11:41:37 >> NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:41:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY
MR. CITRO.
ROLL CALL.
I'M SORRY, NUMBER 51, SIR.
11:41:52 >> REZ 20-83, AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 1909 WEST ERNA DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED FROM N SECTION 1
FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:42:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
11:42:28 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:42:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:42:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:42:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:42:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:42:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:42:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:42:36 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:42:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 512.
11:42:39 >>RYAN MANASSE:
ITEM NUMBER 52 IS FILE REZ 21-21, AN
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED TO YOU FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
THIS IS FOR THE REZONING PROFIT IT LOCATED AT 704 EAST LIKE
AVENUE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:43:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS BY STAFF?
ANY QUESTIONS BY STAFF?
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
WERE YOU SWORN IN?
11:43:11 >> HILL HOMES, 5073 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE.
I NEED TO BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.
11:43:20 >>THE CLERK:
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
11:43:28 >> AND I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
11:43:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
ANY REGISTERED?
11:43:48 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:43:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED TO CLOSE, SECOND BY
MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
11:44:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IN REGARD TO FILE REZ 21-21, I WILL READ
THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 704
EAST LAKE AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATIONS RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:44:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:44:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVED BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY MANISCALCO.
11:44:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:44:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:44:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:44:36 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:44:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:44:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:44:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:44:42 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:44:47 >>RYAN MANASSE:
RYAN MANASSE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:44:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER ABSTAINS FROM ITEM NUMBER
53.
11:44:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND I WILL ABSTAIN ON SECOND READING,
AND MR. SHELBY WILL PROVIDE ME WITH THE DOCUMENT AT A LATER
DATE.
11:45:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANASSE, CONTINUE.
11:45:07 >> FILE REZ 21-27 BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
FOR PROPERTY AT 3807 AND 3811 WEST SWANN AVENUE AND IT WAS
TO REZONE FROM CLASSIFICATION RM 616 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL.
CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:45:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM OF STAFF?
11:45:36 >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
11:45:43 >> I DO.
11:45:44 >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
11:45:48 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE APPLICANT ON ITEM 53, AND I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS AND WOULD REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS
APPLICATION.
11:46:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT?
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR FURTHER COMMENT FOR THIS
ITEM?
11:46:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:46:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY REGISTERED?
11:46:15 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:46:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO MOVED THE ITEM.
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. CITRO, WILL YOU READ ITEM NUMBER 53?
11:46:26 >> FILE REZ 21-27 AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 3807 AND 3811 WEST SWANN AVENUE IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE,
BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:46:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:46:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO MOVED.
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.
MR. DINGFELDER WILL BE ABSTAINING.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:47:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:47:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:47:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:47:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:47:05 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:47:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:47:07 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH DINGFELDER
ABSTAINING.
11:47:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 54.
11:47:14 >>RYAN MANASSE:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 54 IS FILE 21-28 INFORM SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS 4110 GEORGE ROAD AND THE
REQUEST WAS FROM PD TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS,
PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE, RETAIL SALES, ALL COMMERCIAL
GENERAL USES, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, AND
MULTIFAMILY, HOTEL MOTEL COLLEGE AND RESTAURANT.
CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:47:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
11:47:55 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
DAVID MECHANIK HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
APPLICANT.
I HAVE RANDY COEN WITH ME AS WELL.
WE ARE HERE SIMPLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, AND
TO BE ASK YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION.
11:48:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WERE YOU SWORN AGAIN OR IS HE OKAY?
ALL RIGHT.
MR. COEN?
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
11:48:24 >>RANDY COEN:
I DO.
11:48:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MECHANIK
OR MR. COEN?
NO QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
11:48:35 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:48:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO WAS THE SECOND, I BELIEVE TO
CLOSE.
I'M SORRY, MR. CARLSON.
11:48:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE REZ 21-28,
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
4110 GEORGE ROAD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS,
PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, RETAIL SALES, HOTEL, ADULT EDUCATION,
RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
BUSINESS, PROFESSIONAL, AND MEDICAL OFFICE, RETAIL SALES,
ALL COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED AND MULTIFAMILY HOTEL, MOTEL, COLLEGE, RESTAURANT,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:49:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:49:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.
11:49:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:49:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:49:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:49:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:49:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:49:35 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:49:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:49:36 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:49:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 55.
11:49:46 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, AS EXPLAINED, AT FIRST READING FOR THIS
ITEM THE PRIOR REZONING THAT YOU JUST APPROVED ON SECOND
READING IS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT, AND
THIS CHANGE IS SIMPLY TO REVISE THE MATRIX SO THAT THE
DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT IS FOR THE REZONING IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE DRI.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:50:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
11:50:20 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
DAVID MECHANIK HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
APPLICANT.
I HAVE RANDY COEN WITH ME AND WE BOTH HAVE BEEN SWORN.
WE ARE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND TO
ASK YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION.
11:50:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR REGISTERED?
11:50:39 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
11:50:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA MOVED TO CLOSE, SECOND BY
MR --
11:50:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA APPROVAL THE
THIRD AMENDMENT TO A DEVELOPMENT ORDER RENDERED PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 380.06 FLORIDA STATUTES FOR THE INDEPENDENCE PARK
DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT DRI NUMBER 250 PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:51:06 >> SECOND.
11:51:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED.
MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ROLL CALL.
11:51:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:51:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:51:15 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:51:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:51:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:51:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:51:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:51:20 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:51:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S ALREADY OPEN.
WE GO TO ITEM 56.
11:51:28 >>RYAN MANASSE:
REZ 20-103.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5426 BAY CENTER DRIVE.
THE REQUEST WAS FROM PD, OR IS FROM PD TO PD FOR OFFICE
BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, MEDICAL OFFICE, HOTEL MULTIFAMILY
RESIDENTIAL.
STAFF HAS DONE A PRESENTATION IN PREVIOUS HEARINGS, AND IS
NOW BEFORE YOU TODAY.
I WILL DEFER BACK TO CHAIR OR THE AGENT FOR THEIR
PRESENTATION FROM THE CONTINUANCE.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S GOING ON FIVE MINUTES.
HOW MANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE?
11:52:21 >> WE HAVE 20 REGISTERED SPEAKERS AND I BELIEVE
APPROXIMATELY THREE DOWNSTAIRS.
11:52:25 >>LUIS VIERA:
GENTLEMEN, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE?
11:52:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SAY WE BREAK FOR LUNCH AND TAKE THIS
UP WHEN WE COME BACK.
11:52:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AGREE.
11:52:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANASSE, WE WILL TAKE THIS UP AT 1:30.
MOTION BY MR. CITRO -- MR. MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
WE STAND ADJOURNED OR RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
(RECESS)
01:34:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE YOUR MIKE ON?
I'M SORRY.
01:34:25 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY THREE DOWNSTAIRS, AND I
HAVE 19 REGISTERED TO SPEAK VIRTUALLY.
01:34:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE STARTED OFF WITH MR. MANASSE AND TOOK
TIME OFF BECAUSE OF THE TIME FRAME.
HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT GOING TO THE STAFF REPORTS NOW AND
LET THEM GET BACK TO WORK VERSUS DOING ITEM NUMBER 56?
WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE?
01:34:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
01:34:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CONSENSUS?
01:35:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SECOND.
01:35:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO WITH A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
TO GO FORWARD WITH STAFF REPORTS.
MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
01:35:11 >>THE CLERK:
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED TO DO ROLL CALL.
01:35:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.
01:35:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
01:35:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:35:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.
01:35:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
01:35:21 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
01:35:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:35:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
01:35:23 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:35:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, CHIEF.
DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH 57 OR WAIT?
01:35:31 >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHIEF OF STAFF.
FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH THE
STAFF REPORTS.
HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE NIMBLE ENOUGH TO GET EVERYBODY BACK ON
THE REGULAR AGENDA.
57, WE ARE OFFERING TO POSTPONE.
THAT WAS JUST AN UPDATE FROM DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE SAW THE AGENDA AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING, SO WE
ARE GOING TO PASS ON 57.
THE RESTS OF THEM ARE REALLY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AS FAR AS
THE MEMORANDUMS GO.
I AM NOT CONVERSANT ON WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BEGINNING OF
APPROVING THE AGENDA, WHICH STAFF MEMBERS YOU WERE WILLING
TO RELEASE.
THE FIRST ONE WAS 58 WITH A MEMO FROM DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR
BARED.
SO THAT FIRST, MR. BAIRD.
01:36:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I BELIEVE THAT WE RELEASED HIM?
01:36:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THERE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
THAT?
01:36:45 >> SO MOVED.
01:36:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 58?
01:36:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
01:36:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MANISCALCO TO MOVE THE
RESOLUTION, MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED IT.
ANY DISCUSSION ON IT?
ROLL CALL FOR THE RESOLUTION.
01:37:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
01:37:07 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
01:37:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
01:37:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
01:37:11 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
01:37:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
01:37:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
01:37:14 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:37:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 59.
01:37:19 >>JOHN BENNETT:
AGAIN, A MEMO FROM ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY
CARL BRODY.
I'M NOT SURE OF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON THAT.
01:37:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THAT.
IT WAS MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION.
01:37:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I SPOKE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING
YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD JUST ACCEPT THE REPORT, BUT I CAN
MAKE SURE MR. BRODY IS AVAILABLE.
01:37:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HE'S THERE WAITING FOR IT.
01:37:53 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR.
THANK YOU.
01:37:55 >>CARL BRODY:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
01:37:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE WAITING ON YOU WHENEVER YOU ARE
READY.
01:38:07 >>CARL BRODY:
OH, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
01:38:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
01:38:11 >> OKAY, GOOD.
SORRY.
SORRY.
IN RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER -- I'M
SORRY, CARL BRODY FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
MS. SIMMS AND I ALSO FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT DID A REVIEW
OF CASE LAW STATUTORY PROVISIONS THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY,
IF WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE A LOCAL BUSINESS PREFERENCE.
WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A PRETTY STRONG
LOCAL BUSINESS PREFERENCE IN PLACE THERE ARE OUR 36.5
BUSINESS ENTERPRISE ORDINANCE.
WHAT THAT ORDINANCE DOES IS IT PROVIDES A SHELTERED MARKET
FOR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE BASED IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND SHELTERED MARKET ALLOWS ONLY THOSE SMALL
BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO BID FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT ARE
OF A CERTAIN VALUE.
THE LARGER PROJECTS THAT THE SMALL BUSINESSES MIGHT NOT BE
ABLE TO HANDLE COMPLETELY, WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE A 5%
PREFERENCE FOR THE LARGER BIDDERS WHO USE OUR SMALL LOCAL
BUSINESSES OR FIVE EXTRA POINTS IN THEIR BID.
SO THERE ARE DIRECT BENEFITS TO OUR SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES.
THE KEY DISTINCTION TO BE MADE FOR A LOCAL PREFERENCE IS
THAT A LOCAL PREFERENCE APPLIES TO INDIVIDUALS, APPLIES TO
INDIVIDUALS WITH HIRING PREFERENCE, APPLIES TO INDIVIDUAL
CITIZENS WHO TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS
THE SUPREME COURT -- IT BASICALLY PLACES A STRICT SCRUTINY
STANDARD ON ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S ATTEMPTING TO CREATE
A LOCAL PREFERENCE THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT LOCAL CITIZENS
OVER OUT-OF-STATE CITIZENS AND DO THAT UNDER PRIVILEGES AND
IMMUNITY CLAUSE, AND THE CONSTITUTION DOES PROVIDE THAT ALL
CITIZENS OF DIFFERENT STATES SHOULD RECEIVE PROTECTIONS OF
BEING UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND NOT BE DISCRIMINATED
AGAINST BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING FROM A DIFFERENT STATE.
SO THE COURT, AN OLDER CASE BUT IT'S BEEN UPHELD
SUBSEQUENTLY BY ANY OTHER REVIEWS, HAS FOUND THAT THE
SCRUTINY STANDARD APPLIES, AND THE HIRING PREFERENCES, SO
THAT WE HAVE A NARROWLY TAILORED ORDINANCE THAT ACHIEVES AN
IMPORTANT GOVERNMENT INTEREST.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE LEGAL STANDARD BEHIND THIS.
SO WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS.
THERE'S A REPORTING PROVISION THAT WE LOOKED AT, THAT IS
POSSIBLE, BUT THERE ARE SOME DOWNSIDES TO IT IN TERMS OF HOW
IT WOULD AFFECT COMMERCE IN THE CITY.
SPECIFICALLY, REQUIREMENT IS THAT ANY OF THE CONTRACTORS
AND/OR SUBS TRACK THE ZIP CODES, THE CITIZENS, OF THEIR
EMPLOYEES.
THAT CREATES SOME DIFFERENT CONCERNS REGARDING FIRST FOR
STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TRACK AND DETERMINE THE COMPLIANCE
BY THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS AND SUBS WITH THE ORDINANCE OR
PROGRAM, WHICHEVER WAY WE WENT WITH IT, BUT ALSO IT KIND OF
LIMITS OUR POOL OF ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES THAT THE BUSINESSES
HERE IN THE AREA COULD USE, INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE A
BROADER CONSIDERATION OF EMPLOYEES, IT WOULD BE LIMITED.
WE WOULD ALSO HAVE REDUCED COMPETITION OVERALL BECAUSE OF
THE LIMITED LABOR POOL AVAILABLE, AND WE WOULD ALSO -- IT'S
VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANY OF OUR BUSINESSES USING DAY LABORERS
TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BECAUSE JUST THE NATURE OF WORKING
WITH DAY LABORERS AND GETTING THEIR ADDRESSES.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN
NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE DIDN'T FIND ANY CASE LAW SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, BUT WE ARE
VERY CONCERNED THAT IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN A BASIS OR PROVIDE
A GOOD BASIS FOR WHY WE WOULD TREAT TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO
BASICALLY LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER FROM ONE
BEING A HIGHER PREFERENCE AND THE OTHER NOT.
THAT'S AN EQUAL PROTECTION CONCERN AND ALSO A DUE PROCESS
CONCERN THAT WE JUST REALLY WANT -- THAT WE ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT, IF THAT WAS THE TYPE OF PROGRAM THAT WE WERE LOOKING
AT MOVING FORWARD ON.
AND THEN AS NOTED RECENTLY A NEW PROVISION THAT DOES NOT
ALLOW LOCAL HIRING PREFERENCES IF THE STATE ITSELF IS
FUNDING ANY PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
SO THAT IS ALSO A CONCERN.
THE MAIN ISSUES I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IN THE MEMO --
AND I WILL ASK MRS. HAMILTON IF SHE HAS ANYTHING.
01:44:05 >> HAMILTON:
I THINK YOU BASICALLY COVERED IT.
I THINK WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE, BUT THOSE ARE THE
PRIME FACTORS.
IN REGARD TO PRIVILEGES AND I AM MUNICIPALITIES, WE WOULD
PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF STATISTICAL ANALYSIS TO
REACH ANY KIND OF -- TO PROVIDE FOR LOCAL PREFERENCE.
01:44:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, QUESTIONS, ANYONE?
01:44:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, AS THE MAKER OF THE
MOTION.
YES, I READ THE MEMO WHEN YOU GUYS PROVIDED IT A FEW DAYS
AGO.
I APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK IT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE
LIMITATIONS.
SO, ANYWAY, WE'LL CARRY ON FROM THERE.
THANK YOU.
01:45:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
01:45:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
MY FIRM IN THE PAST HAS APPLIED FOR
GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS OUT OF THE MARKET OUT OF STATE, DOES
BUSINESSES IN CALIFORNIA.
WE DON'T DO ANY IN TAMPA, FOR ANYBODY WATCHING.
BUT THE PROBLEM WITH LOCAL PREFERENCE IS THAT OTHER
GOVERNMENTS RETALIATE, AND IF OUR COMPANIES WANT TO BE THE
BEST THAT THEY CAN BE, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SELL OUT SIDE
THIS MARKET.
THEY NEED TO SELL PASCO COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, ALL AROUND THE
WORLD, AND PROVIDING PROTECTION FOR -- PROVIDING LOCAL
PROTECTION DOESN'T WORK.
INDIA HAD A PROTECTED ECONOMY FOR 20, 30 YEARS, AND WHEN IT
FINALLY OPENED UP IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC
BOOMS IN THE WORLD'S HISTORY BY OPENING IT UP TO
COMPETITORS.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR LOCAL COMPANIES BY
ENABLING THEM TO NOT GET HURT BY WORKING OUTSIDE OF TAMPA.
01:45:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
01:46:05 >>CARL BRODY:
THANK YOU.
01:46:09 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THAT BRINGS US UP TO I BELIEVE ITEM 60.
AGAIN I BELIEVE THAT WAS A RECEIVE AND FILE. I WANT TO
VERIFY WITH COUNCIL.
01:46:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVED BY MR. MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY MR. VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
ITEM 61.
01:46:33 >>JOHN BENNETT:
SAME SCENARIO WITH DIRECTOR TO BE ON
STANDBY.
01:46:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
IS HE THERE?
THERE HE IS.
01:46:50 >>VIK BHIDE:
I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTION RELATED TO
ITEM 61.
THIS IS RELATED TO A MOTION MADE EARLIER THIS YEAR BY
COUNCILMAN -- CHAIRMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO
REGARDING THE STATUS OF THE BERMUDA BOULEVARD SEAWALL
PROJECT.
A STAFF REPORT WAS SUBMITTED, AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS.
01:47:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
VIK, I HAPPENED TO BE ON THE CLEAN-UP WITH
THE FOLKS OUT IN PALMETTO BEACH, ASKED TO COME DOWN TO VIEW
THE ACTUAL SEAWALL, ME NOT KNOWING MUCH ABOUT THE SEAWALL.
THEY GAVE ME A HISTORY LESS ON OF THE SEAWALL AND SHOWED ME
THE DETERIORATION OF THAT SEAWALL.
I READ THE MEMO.
AND EVERYONE WAS PUTTING IN THEIR BUDGETS AND PUTTING THINGS
IN REFERENCE TO THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYBODY WAS SO GOOD ON THESE ITEMS
WITH MONEY THEY DIDN'T HAVE.
SO MY QUESTION, MONEY THEY DIDN'T HAVE, BUT WE ARE PUTTING
IT INTO A PROGRAM, SO MY QUESTION NOW IS, I DON'T KNOW WHEN
THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FOR TRANSPORTATION.
BUT THEY ARE RIGHT.
THAT THING IS GOING TO CAVE IN.
PATCHWORK ON THE STREET THERE, AND I'M AFRAID WE GET A BIG
STORM OR SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR
PROBLEM DOWN THERE.
I SAW THE MEMO BUT IT WASN'T DETAILED, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO
DO NOT WORRYING ABOUT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION?
01:48:32 >>VIK BHIDE:
AND THAT'S A VERY VALID QUESTION, CHAIRMAN.
I WISH I HAD A BETTER ANSWER THAN WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK
AT FUNDING OPTIONS AND WILL WORK WITH OUR RESILIENCE OFFICER
AS THE MEMO MENTIONED.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR GRANTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU AND COUNCIL THAT -- GRANTS IN
GENERAL, COMING FROM THE RECENT WEEK, WORKING ON IT BUT
RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S HOLDING US BACK, AND
THAT IS FUNDING.
01:49:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I APPRECIATE IT.
THAT'S WHY I THREW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE IN PALMETTO
BEACH ARE CALLING AND ASKING.
SO WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOME TYPE OF DIALOGUE, AND WE CAN'T
KEEP SAYING ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.
WE HAVE TO QUICK TALKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ON
THE TABLE ANYMORE.
LIKE YOU SAID, THE GRANTS THAT WE ARE AFTER RIGHT NOW, X
OUNT OF DOLLARS COMING FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND WE LET
THOSE FOLKS KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO AND THIS IS HOW
WE ARE GOING TO DO IT.
BECAUSE I WENT DOWN THERE.
GENTLEMEN, I URGE YOU TO COME DOWN.
I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S GOT SOME MAJOR PROBLEMS.
ONE DAY, WE'LL HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM.
MR. CITRO.
01:49:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK, VIK.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES?
AND YOU RAISED A POINT OF RESILIENCY.
WITH SEA LEVEL RISE, AND OTHER EFFECTS THAT WE ARE HAVING
FROM CLIMATE CHANGE, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AND
SAYING THE SEAWALLS ARE NO LONGER A GREAT WAY OF KEEPING
BACK STORM SURGE.
AND WE HAVE BEEN GOING MORE TOWARD RUBBLE, AND/OR MANGROVES.
IS THAT COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE?
01:50:26 >>VIK BHIDE:
ANOTHER GREAT POINT, COUNCILMAN.
IT IS NOT OFF THE TABLE.
IN FACT, THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE PLANNING FOR THIS
PROJECT INCLUDED CONSIDERATION OF ADDING RIFF-RAFF, THAT IS
LARGE CONCRETE MATERIAL, AND OTHER EROSION CONTROL MEASURES.
WE HAVE SINCE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT CONCEPT WHICH WAS FIRST
DEVELOPED AROUND 2012 FOR MULTITUDE OF REASONS BUT PRIMARILY
THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN DISRUPTIVE, AND WE NEEDED A
PERMANENT EASEMENT OVER WATER TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.
SINCE THEN, WE HAVE USED NEW MEANS AND METHODS THAT HAVE
BEEN IDENTIFIED WHERE RIFF-RAFF AND CONTROL WERE NEEDED.
WE HAVE WATER ACCESS AND PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS, WE WILL
CONSIDER ADDING SOME SORT OF VEGETATION AS WELL.
OUR CHALLENGES STILL REMAIN.
01:51:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
BUT AGAIN WE GET BACK DO OUR EFFORTS FOR RESILIENCY, AND I
WOULD JUST HOPE WE EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:51:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
01:51:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT'S KIND OF SCARY WHEN SOME OF THESE
ITEMS GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2003 WHEN I FIRST CAME ON
COUNCIL BECAUSE I REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION REALLY HASN'T
CHANGED VERY MUCH.
WHICH IS PRETTY SAD WITH REGARD TO WHAT MR. CHAIRMAN SAYS.
AND I DO GO DOWN THAT A AREA PERIODICALLY AND IT'S GETTING
WORSE AND WORSE.
WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT IN READING THE MEMO, YOU ALSO MADE
REFERENCE TO THE VARIOUS PRIVATE EASEMENTS.
I THINK THERE'S ABOUT A DOZEN OR SO.
AND YOU INDICATED THAT HISTORICALLY WE HADN'T RECEIVED A
WHOLE LOT OF COOPERATION FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT I GUESS WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS WHAT DOES IT GO,
PRIVATE PROPERTY ON THE LAND WARD SIDE AND THEN WE HAVE AN
EASEMENT ON THE SIDEWALK THERE, AND THEN THEIR PROPERTY
PICKS UP AGAIN?
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PROPERTY MAP OF THIS AREA, BUT TELL ME
HOW THAT WORKS.
01:52:54 >>VIK BHIDE:
I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT WITH
DETAILS, BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THAT OPTION ANYMORE.
SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS MORE DESTRUCTIVE TO THE
NEIGHBORHOODS NEIGHBORS.
SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT PERMITTING EASEMENTS.
THAT WAS OUR INITIAL APPROACH IN 2011, 2012, AND THERE ARE A
COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE WAS THE COST OF THOSE EASEMENTS WERE RELATIVELY HIGH TO
WHERE IT WOULD NOT HAVE MADE FINANCIAL SENSE THEN TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THAT APPROACH, BUT NOW WE HAVE BETTER
INFORMATION AND BETTER METHODS TO PREVENT OR MITIGATE FOR
ANY KIND OF SURGE.
01:53:42 >> I REMEMBER RESEARCHING TITLE, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES
SPECIFIC TO THIS AREA THAT'S VERY, VERY STRANGE IS THAT THE
ACTUAL PORTIONS OF MACKAY BAY THAT ABUT BERMUDA BOULEVARD
THERE ARE PLATTED LOTS, AND THERE WAS A COURT CASE SOMETIME
AGO WHERE THERE WAS LITIGATION ABOUT OWNERSHIP OF THOSE
PLATTED LOTS.
AS YOU KNOW, MOST CASES WHERE YOU HAVE WATER, A GOVERNMENTAL
ENTITY, THE CITY OR THE STATE THAT OWNS OR CONTROLS THAT,
BUT BECAUSE OF SOME UNIQUE FACTORS IN THAT CASE, BUT THOSE
PLATTED LOTS ARE ACTUALLY OWNED BY INDIVIDUAL LAND OWNERS
WHO BOUGHT THEM.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAD ON THE WATER SIDE IN
DEALING WITH EASEMENT ISSUES, I BELIEVE.
THAT'S BEEN OUR CHALLENGE SINCE 2003.
01:54:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MORRIS, THANKS FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION ON
THAT.
THE THING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HAIR
AFTER 2003 AND SOME OF US DON'T.
01:54:56 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I AM PRETTY GRAY HAIRED SO I APPRECIATE
THAT.
01:55:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING ELSE ON 61, GENTLEMEN?
VIK, THANK YOU AS USUAL.
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HELP.
62.
01:55:13 >>JOHN BENNETT:
ONE POSTSCRIPT ON 61, IF YOU DON'T MIND
REAL QUICK, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PRECIPITATED THE MAYOR AND
SUPPORT OF THE CITY FOR ME TO GO TO THE NETHERLANDS AND LOOK
AT THESE SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT
TYPES OF SHORELINES.
AND I LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE COUNTRYSIDE, THE BEACH FRONTS,
THE CITY FRONTS, THE CITYSCAPE, CONVERSION OF STORMWATER TO
DUPLICATE USE, ALL THOSE THINGS AND TO VIK'S POINT, WE NEED
TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS FIRST FROM A SAFETY POINT OF VIEW
AND THEN ACCESSIBILITY AND COMMUNITY RESILIENCY POINT OF
VIEW, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE BROUGHT WITHIN.
ONE.
REASONS WHIT REMER WAS HIRED WAS HE HAD A REALLY CLEAR
UNDERSTANDING HOW TO GET OTHER MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY TO
DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
SO LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE OF THOSE THINGS.
AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THIS BECOMES A HYPER FOCUS FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
01:56:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
IT'S GETTING VERY, VERY BAD.
I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL THEY SHOWED ME.
01:56:25 >>JOHN BENNETT:
FOR 20 YEARS I HAVE RUN THAT ROUTE WITH
TRT.
IT WAS OUR PATH OUT OF THE ACADEMY.
01:56:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON.
01:56:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOLLOWING ON THAT.
WE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE SEA LEVEL RISE PROBLEM,
MOST OF SOUTH TAMPA IS GOING TO BE UNDERWATER IN SOME PERIOD
OF TIME I.DIDN'T SEE A SPECIFIC TOONS THAT QUESTION IN THE
RESILIENCY PLAN THE MAYOR PUT OUT THE OTHER DAY. IS THERE A
SEPARATE PLAN THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT TO SPECIFICALLY
ADDRESS WHAT YOU TO DO WITH SEAWALLS AND WHAT TO DO WITH
AREAS LIKE SOUTH TAMPA THAT DON'T HAVE SEAWALLS?
01:57:03 >>JOHN BENNETT:
SURE.
AND I THINK, COUNCILMAN, THE FOCUS ON THAT WAS WHEN THE 58
ITEMS WERE PUT INTO THAT, PART OF THAT WAS ONE THAT WE BUILT
THE PLAN UNDER THE CAROLE POST AREA ACTUALLY BUILT THE
PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH A DIRECTOR TO MOVE IN THOSE
DIRECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREAS ARE TAKEN CARE OF
AND WE ARE LOOKING AT SEA LEVEL RISE.
THAT'S DEFINITELY ON THE AGENDA.
01:57:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN?
01:57:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M JUST CURIOUS, SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED
TALKING ABOUT ON COUNCIL ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, AND I AM GLAD
YOU ALL HIRED WHIT AND HE'S LOOKING AT IT AND I KNOW OTHER
DEPARTMENTS ARE.
BUT WE HAVE LOTS OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE ASKING QUESTIONS
ABOUT IT SO WHEN MIGHT WE HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT?
01:57:46 >>JOHN BENNETT:
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION I WILL BE
HAPPY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO COUNCIL.
IF YOU WANT A SPECIFIC MOTION ON THAT ISSUE --
01:57:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
TO DO WITH SEA LEVEL RISE RELATED TO OUR
COASTLINE.
01:58:02 >>JOHN BENNETT:
OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE.
IT'S PART OF A LONG RANGE PLAN PROCESS.
I AM JUST GLAD THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION, THIS COUNCIL HAS
TAKEN THE LEAD ON THAT.
BUT I GUESS WHAT I AM ASKING TO BE MORE SPECIFIC NO
RESPONSE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT A MOTION FOR TO BRING
BACK A REPORT.
01:58:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF YOU WANT TO DO IT HOW LONG?
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
01:58:25 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
CHIEF, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THE STAFF,
RANDY GOERS, HE'S LEADING A SEA LEVEL RISE STUDY THAT WE
RECEIVED GRANTS FUNDING FOR, AND WE WOULD BE GLAD TO CHECK
ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THAT EFFORTS AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL
THE STATUS OF HOW THAT'S GOING, AND THEN WHEN WE WOULD
ULTIMATELY HAVE MORE OF A FINISHED PRODUCT OR A DRAFT
PRODUCT TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL.
SO WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK AND GIVE
YOU A STATUS OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT SEA LEVEL RISE STUDY.
01:59:06 >> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?
01:59:09 >>JOHN BENNETT:
NO, WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT A MOTION.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU NEEDED A SPECIFIC RESPONSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
THANK YOU TO MS. DUNCAN FOR THAT FOLLOW-UP.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY THE PLANNING WHICH IS LED BY
RANDY GOERS.
01:59:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO WE CAN ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC WHAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN TO PROPERTY VALUES, SHOULD I BUY A HOUSE
THIS NEAR BAYSHORE, IS IT GOING TO BE FLOODED OR NOT?
01:59:33 >>JOHN BENNETT ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR WHERE WE
ARE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET THAT WITHOUT A MOTION.
01:59:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF, SHOULD I
SAY MS. DUNCAN OR RANDY?
01:59:52 >> RANDY GOERS, PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
01:59:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
TORE ASK STAFF TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND
REPORT ON WHEN -- THE STATUS OF THE SEA LEVEL RISE PLAN, AND
WHEN THE PROPOSAL -- WHEN THE PROPOSALS MIGHT BE DELIVERED.
02:00:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
QUESTION, PLEASE.
MARTIN SHELBY.
I'M SORRY.
QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE MOTION, IS THERE A REQUEST FOR A
WRITTEN REPORT OR IS AN APPEARANCE GOING TO BE NECESSARY?
02:00:28 >>BILL CARLSON:
APPEARANCE.
02:00:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HOW MUCH TIME IS NECESSARY FOR THAT?
MAYBE MRS. DUNCAN WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE AS TO
HOW LONG THIS WOULD BE.
02:00:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MRS. DUNCAN?
02:00:41 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
A STAFF REPORT IN THAT USUAL PERIOD OF TIME,
AND IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN ALSO REFERENCE ANY UPDATES THAT
THEY ARE POSTING ON THE WEBSITE CURRENTLY.
SO A SHORTER PRESENTATION IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING --
02:01:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU WANT A DATE?
IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE PRETTY BUSY UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
SHOULD I SAY SEPTEMBER 2nd?
IS THAT TOO FAR OUT?
02:01:15 >>JOHN BENNETT:
I THINK THAT WOULD WORK WELL.
02:01:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
02:01:27 >>BILL CARLSON:
SEPTEMBER 23rd WORKSHOP?
02:01:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DOES THAT WORK, MADAM CLERK?
02:01:34 >>THE CLERK:
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN DATE?
AT 11 A.M.?
02:01:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT?
OKAY.
02:01:46 >> SECOND.
02:01:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SEPTEMBER 23rd, 11 A.M., AT A
WORKSHOP?
MR. CARLSON?
02:01:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
GREAT.
02:01:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED THE MOTION.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
02:02:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU TO CHIEF BENNETT AND MS. DUNCAN.
02:02:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, JEAN.
ITEM 62.
02:02:10 >> JOHN BENNETT CHIEF OF STAFF COMING BACK ON ITEM 62.
JUST TO KEEP THINGS FLOWING, I DID SEE THE MEMORANDUM FROM
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S OFFICE.
MYSELF, OBVIOUSLY OUR AUDIT DIRECTOR CHRISTINE GLOVER AND
OUR CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES IS ON STANDBY TO SUPPORT
ANYTHING EITHER WITHIN THAT MEMO OR BEYOND THAT MEMO ON THIS
ITEM.
SO WE'LL STAND BY.
02:02:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
I THINK KIND OF CRAFT IT DOWN WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
02:02:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO DRAFT AN
ORDINANCE.
I THINK THE LATEST DRAFT IS FEBRUARY, CHRISTINE?
02:03:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MRS. GLOVER?
02:03:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND THEN MOVE FORWARD SETTING THAT FOR
FIRST READING TWO WEEKS FROM NOW?
AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT MY COLLEAGUES SUGGESTIONS AND ANY
OTHER COUNCIL'S SUGGESTIONS.
02:03:30 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER:
INTERNAL AUDIT DIRECTOR.
YES, SIR.
THE LATEST DRAFT WAS FEBRUARY.
02:03:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO WE ARE SAYING YOU WANT TO GO THE LAST
HALF OF FEBRUARY AND PUT IT OFF FOR FIRST READING.
02:03:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
02:03:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
MRS. GLOVER, I WANT YOU TO COVER SOME NUTS AND BOLTS.
IT'S BEEN A LONG WHILE NOW.
YOU HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONTINUANCES I DO WANT TO PUT IT TO BED
TODAY.
SO IF WE CAN KIND OF GOING OVER THE LOGISTICS.
02:04:06 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.
I'M PREPARED TO DO -- WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON JANUARY 28th.
A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE WORKSHOP.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WENT OVER IS WE DO HAVE A HIGHLY
CREDENTIALED STAFF WITH CERTIFICATIONS, AND THEY HAVE
STANDARDS THEY HAVE TO MEET AND COMPLY WITH IN ORDER TO
MAINTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATIONS IN THE INTERNAL AUDIT FEEL.
WE ALSO COMPLY WITH GOVERNMENT AUDIT STANDARDS, AND WE ARE
REQUIRED TO DO THAT AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR ALL THE
PROCESSES, INDEPENDENT, AND WE MUST BE FREE FROM
POLITICAL -- ET CETERA.
IT'S CALLED THE YELLOW BOOK.
WE ALSO GET A PEER REVIEW FROM A TEAM ACROSS THE COUNTRY
EVERY THREE YEARS WHO CONFIRM THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH
THE GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS.
WE ARE DUE FOR A PEER REVIEW IN 2020 FOR THE PREVIOUS
THREE-YEAR PERIOD BUT OF COURSE WAS DELAYED DUE TO THE
PANDEMIC.
I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION LAST WEEK WITH SOMEONE THAT WE
WOULD HAVE THAT PEER REVIEW THIS YEAR.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I COVERED WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR AUDIT
DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, A LOT OF PEOPLE COPYING OUR
PROCESS, CERTAINLY IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA, PASCO COUNTY, CITY
OF ST. PETERSBURG, SO WHEN THEY COME AND DOO DO THE PEER
REVIEW THEY LIKE OUR APPROACH, DOING SOME THINGS THAT
COPYING.
IF WE HAVE A PEER REVIEW AND ARE FOUND NOT TO BE IN
COMPLAINS, IT'S GOING TO LOOK PRETTY BAD FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WE STAY WITHIN THAT RANGE.
NOW, OUR UNIVERSE WHICH IS A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE
COULD POSSIBLY AUDIT IN THE CITY, AND THAT'S PART OF THE
WORKSHOP.
I GAVE YOU ALL A COPY OF THAT LIST.
IT'S OVER 160 ITEMS.
WHEN WE ARE FULLY STAFFED, WE CAN DO 15 TO 20 AUDITS IN A
YEAR.
AND SO AT THAT POINT RATE IT WOULD TAKE US NINE YEARS TO
AUDIT EVERYTHING IN THE CITY.
NOW, TO TAKE A RISK BASED APPROACH, THE WAY WE DO THAT, AND
IT'S A PROCESS WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF RIGHT NOW.
I START OUT BY MEETING WITH ALL OF THE KEY MANAGEMENT,
PERSONS AT THE CITY, DIRECTORS AND ABOVE, ONE ON ONE.
AND WHEN I MEET WITH THEM, I GO WITH THEIR PORTION OF THE
AUDIT UNIVERSE, EVERYTHING THAT I CAN AUDIT WITHIN THEIR
AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY.
WE DISCUSS IT.
WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO IT.
IF WE NEED TO, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST AUDITS IF
THEY LIKE.
AND MANY TIMES WE DO GET REQUESTS FOR AUDIT.
I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS BACK, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, I
WENT OUT AND I CAME BACK AFTER I DID ALL MY MEETINGS.
I HAD REQUESTS FOR 26 UNITS.
REMEMBER I SAID I COULD ONLY DO 15 OR 20.
SO WE DO GET REQUESTS FROM MANAGEMENT.
AT THAT POINT AFTER I HAVE ALL THOSE MEETINGS, WE HAVE A
TOOL THAT WE USE.
WE CALL IT A RISK ASSESSMENT TOOL.
WE TAKE EVERY ITEM, MY STAFF AND I, TAKE EVERY TIME ON THAT
AUDIT UNIVERSE AND WE RATE IT.
AND WE RATE IT 1 THROUGH 4, AND THE FACTOR, EACH FACTOR ON
THERE, AND THE WAY THE TOOL IS SET UP, THE GREATER THE
SCORE, THE GREATER THE RISK IS FOR THE CITY.
SO WE DEVELOP AN AUDIT PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR,
AFTER WE COMPLETE THAT RISK ASSESSMENT AND THOSE MANAGEMENT
MEETINGS, AND IT'S BASED ON MANAGEMENT REQUESTS, THE RISK
ASSESSMENT, THE RESULTS THAT ARE RISK ASSESSMENT, AND MAKING
SURE WE HAVE COVERAGE ACROSS THE CITY.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE COVERAGE ACROSS THE
CITY, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS I
WAS HERE WITH THE CITY WE DIDN'T DO ANY AWED TIPPING IN
PARKS AND REC OR THE CONVENTION CENTER.
WE HAVE KIND OF GET AROUND TO EVERYTHING PERIODICALLY.
ONCE THAT PLAN IS DEVELOPED, A PROPOSED AUDIT PLAN FOR THE
UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, I SUBMIT THAT TO THE MAYOR FOR
APPROVAL.
AND IN ALL THE YEARS I HAVE BEEN DOING THAT, EIGHT YEARS,
HERE WITH THE CITY, ONE TIME THE MAYOR ADDED SOMETHING, BUT
THE MAYOR NEVER TOOK ANYTHING AWAY.
AND THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET
COUNCIL IN THAT PROCESS.
BUT THIS YEAR I BACKED UP 30 DAYS.
NORMALLY, I GET A PROPOSED PLAN TO THE MAYOR BY AUGUST.
I AM GOING TO GIVE TO THE HER BY JULY THIS YEAR.
I HAVE GOT ONE MORE MEETING TO HAVE, TEN AND THAT'S NEXT
WEEK AND MY STAFF AND I ARE GOING TO START DOING THE RISK
ASSESSMENT NEXT WEEK AS WELL.
SO I PLAN TO GET SOMETHING TO THE MAYOR, PROPOSED PLAN, IF
WE CAN GET COUNCIL IN ON THAT.
AND THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF HOW WE DEVELOP THE AUDIT PLAN.
BUT EACH YEAR.
AND SO TO F I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS I WILL BE
HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANYTHING I CAN.
02:09:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CHIEF, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE
I ASK QUESTIONS.
02:09:11 >> I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CHRISTINE'S OFFICE WHEN I FIRST
GOT HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE VALUE OF WHAT SHE DOES AND
ONE OF THE FIRST REQUESTS I BROUGHT TO THE ADMINISTRATION
WAS TO INCREASE HER STAFF TO CONTINUE TO DO THE AUDIT
UNIVERSE SHE TALKED ABOUT, AND IT WHATS APPROVED BY COUNCIL,
INCREASE HER OFFICE BY 20%.
BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WE ARE GIVING A VERY HOLISTIC LOOK
TO HER OFFICE BECAUSE DESPITE ALL THE GOOD LEADERSHIP AND
WORK WE TEND TO BE LOSING FOLKS THAT CHRISTINE IS TRAINING
TO THIS HIGH LEVEL AND GETTING CERTIFIED TO OTHER OUTSIDE
ENTITIES THAT ARE EITHER IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR LARGER
GOVERNMENT SECTORS.
SO WE HAVE GOT OUR WORK TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE
SUSTAINABILITY IN HER OFFICE AS WELL.
JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS.
02:10:02 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER:
AND CHIEF BENNETT IS CORRECT, MAYOR
CASTOR TAKING OFFICE, I LOST A POSITION IN THE BUDGET
CUTTING PROCESS.
SO IN ACTUALITY IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ME 12 YEARS AT THAT
STAFF SIZE.
AND SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY DID WHEN THEY CAME BACK
WAS GIVE ME THAT HEAD COUNTS BACK.
BUT HE'S CORRECT.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THEY ARE STEALING OUR PEOPLE LEFT AND
RIGHT.
AND IT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE GOOD QUALITY AND WELL TRAINED
PEOPLE, AND THESE FOLKS' POCKETS ARE DEEPER THAN OURS.
BUT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD STAFF HERE, SHORT NOW BECAUSE OF
THE FACT THAT WE HAD SOMEBODY LEAVE THE LAST TWO MONTHS, ONE
EACH MONTH.
BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING THOSE INDIVIDUALS,
BUT IT TAKES TIME TO GET THEM TRAINED UP.
BUT ALSO IN THE INTERIM, WE HAD AN AUDIT FIRM THAT WE WORKED
WITH WHEN WE WERE SHORT STAFFED, AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO
SOME AUDITS FOR US OVER THE SUMMER.
02:11:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME UP HERE
AS WELL, SIR, TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE --
AND MR. DINGFELDER HAS BEEN TALKING GOING BACK AND FORTH AND
WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO PUT THIS TO BED MAKING SURE THAT
COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO AUDITS AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN
THAT AND MAKE SURE THIS ORDINANCE DOESN'T TAP AWAY ANY POWER
FROM THE COUNCIL, IN THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS PUT IN, SO
COUNCIL COULD ASK FOR AN AUDIT.
SO IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, HOW THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO
WORK, AND I KNOW MR. DINGFELDER HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT
THAT.
SO IF THAT'S ADDRESSED AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT WHEN IT
COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
MR. SHELBY, HAVE YOU SEEN --
02:11:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T HAVE THE TWO SIDE BY SIDE AND I
ADOPT HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
BUT WITH REGARD TO DOES THIS IMPLEMENT IF CHARTER PROVISION,
AND THE ANSWER IS YES.
BY THE WAY, THE CHARTER, USE THE TERM COUNCIL MAY REQUEST.
AND THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS, I BELIEVE, FITS INTO YOUR THE
PRESENT WORK PLAN, AND THE ABILITIES, A SHORT WINDOW, WILL
COUNCIL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL -- COME BACK TO THE
AUDITOR AFTER GETTING THE WORK PLAN BEFORE IT IS FINALIZED?
DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF WHAT CAN MOVE
FORWARD?
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
02:12:46 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER:
THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS SET UP SO
THAT -- ALREADY TALKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT GOES TO
THE MAYOR FOR APPROVAL.
SHE SIGNS OFF ON IT UNDER THE CURRENTS PROCESS.
THEN THAT'S THE APPROVED PLAN AND WE PUBLISH THAT, A WE WILL
WORKING ON IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
THE WAY THE DRAFT IS WRITTEN AFTER THE MAYOR -- AND MADE ANY
ADJUSTMENT, ANYTHING SHE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SOME ADDITIONS
OR WHATEVER, IT WOULD THEN COME TO COUNCIL SIXTY DAYS BEFORE
THE FISCAL YEAR, AND IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME COUNCIL WOULD
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE REQUESTS TO THE AUDIT PROPOSAL
PLAN.
02:13:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WOULD BE
RAISED WOULD BE, I GUESS THERE ARE OPTIONS IF IT DOES NOT
FIT INTO YOU'RE TIME FRAME RELATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF TASKS
YOU HAVE AND THE PERSONNEL THAT YOU HAVE ALTERNATIVES TO
COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH.
I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
02:13:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND IT WILL GO TO --
02:14:03 >>CHRISTINE GLOVER:
IF THE REQUEST CAME IN, FOR SOME REASON
WE COULDN'T DO IT, WE WOULD OFFER ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE LIKE A
NONAUDIT SERVICE WHICH IS A VERY NARROW SCOPE PRODUCT VERSUS
A FULL-BLOWN AUDIT F.TO FOR SOME REASON WE COULDN'T DO IT,
TO COME BACK AND OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SET UP IN THE STANDARD.
02:14:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IN LISTENING, WITH
REGARD TO THE TIMING OF IT?
L, YOUR ABILITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS LET'S SAY
NOW, ARE YOU BY DEVELOPING AN ENACTING THIS ORDINANCE NOW,
OBVIOUSLY IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT CAN COME UP, IT'S
COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
IF EVERYTHING IS FINE THE WAY IT IS.
AND IF THERE ARE ISSUES THEN COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS IT DOWN THE
ROAD.
BUT CERTAINLY WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS SOMETHING
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTS, AND THE AUDITOR KNOWS THE
FUNCTION OF HER DEPARTMENT, AND CERTAINLY BY YOUR PUTTING IT
IN PLACE NOW, YOU WON'T LOSE THIS YEAR'S PROCESS IN ORDER TO
PARTICIPATE UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF NEEDING TO MOVE
FORWARD TIMELY IN ORDER TO TAKE THIS YEAR, THE WORK PLAN.
02:15:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. GRIMES.
02:15:27 >>GINA GRIMES:
I WAS JUST GOING TO ANSWER ONE OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT MS. GLOVER ANSWERED.
SO I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATIVE
TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE.
02:15:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS?
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
02:15:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY OR MRS. ZELMAN.
AS I REMEMBER IT CITY COUNCIL BY CHARTER IS GIVEN THE RIGHT
TO INVESTIGATE, I THINK IS THE WORD.
AS I WOULD GUESS, AUDITS WITH THE SUBSET OF INVESTIGATIVE
POWERS.
MY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS ORDINANCE IN ANY WAY TAKE AWAY
FROM CITY COUNCIL'S INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY BY CHARTER?
OR IS IT JUST SETTING UP A PROCESS FOR THE AUDIT?
02:16:21 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
GO AHEAD, GINA.
02:16:29 >>GINA GRIMES:
I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU ARE ASSUMING HONEST
ASSESSMENT OF THIS COUNCIL'S INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE AT ALL.
THE INTERNAL AUDITS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE INTERNAL
AUDITS THAT ARE ADDRESSED IN THE CHARTER.
AND AS YOU HEARD FROM MRS. GLOVER UNDER STRICT ACCOUNTING
STANDARDS, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY
UNDER THE CHARTER TO USE INVESTIGATIVE POWERS IN THE
EXERCISE OF THEIR LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY.
I THINK THEY ARE TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUES.
THEY DON'T AFFECT EACH OTHER AT ALL.
02:17:06 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE DID DISCUSS
BOTH DURING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PROCESS, BUT THERE
ARE SEPARATE PARTS OF THE CHARTER.
WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS SIMPLY A RESPONSE TO ONE OF THE
CHARTER CHANGES THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION OR VOTERS
IN THE CITY MAY WISH, ALLOWING THE CITY COUNCIL BY SUPER
MAJORITY TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL AUDITS, IN ADDITION TO THOSE
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE DOING, BUT THE DISCUSSION
WE HAD AT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ABOUT THE
INVESTIGATIVE POWERS AS GINA POINTED OUT, THAT'S IN A
SEPARATE PART OF THE CHARTER AND THAT RELATES TO BEING ABLE
TO CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS IN THE COURSE OF YOUR LEGISLATIVE
DUTIES.
02:17:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
02:17:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
AS WE TRY TO PUT THIS TO BED.
ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS FOR FIRST
READING.
BY MR. DINGFELDER.
02:18:07 >> I SECOND.
02:18:08 >>THE CLERK:
JUST KNOW THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO TWO
WEEKS BECAUSE OF NOTICE FOR THE NEXT REGULAR SESSION WILL BE
JULY 15.
02:18:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCUSE ME.
02:18:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
02:18:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MADAM CLERK, THIS IS ON FOR FIRST READING?
WOULD YOU NEED NOTICE FOR THAT?
02:18:25 >> OH, NO, YOU ARE CORRECT.
IT'S THE FIRST READING.
02:18:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO PLACE IT ON THE
AGENDA FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
ON THE 17th OF JUNE?
02:18:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CORRECT.
THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.
02:18:39 >> I SECOND.
02:18:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND IF THE CLERK DOESN'T HAVE THE DRAFT,
CHRISTINE, YOU WILL PROVIDE THE CLERK THE COPY OF THE DRAFT?
THANK YOU.
02:18:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ACTUALLY, IT WOULD BE A CLEAN COPY.
02:18:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RIGHT.
02:18:58 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WE WILL MAKE SURE WE ENTER A CLEAN COPY
INTO SIRE.
02:19:06 >> YES.
WE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED IT BUT WILL PROVIDE A CLEAN COPY.
IT'S REFERRED TO AS MARKED VERSION 4.
THAT'S THE COPY THAT'S IN THERE.
02:19:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO MOVED.
02:19:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING FOR JUNE 17,
FIRST READING.
MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION.
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDS IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
02:19:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IF I COULD JUST FOLLOW THAT UP WITH THE
SUBSEQUENT MOTION THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN MY MEMO.
I'LL PUT THAT ON.
WE CAN GIVE THIS TIME TO SETTLE IN.
I CAN PUT IT ON FOR, LET'S SAY, JANUARY 22 WORKSHOP AT 9:00
IN THE MORNING?
WE'LL JUST SAY TO ADDRESS THE AUDITOR ORDINANCE GENERALLY.
02:20:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
02:20:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:20:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JANUARY 27, 9:00 A.M., 2022.
02:20:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
02:20:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 63.
02:20:35 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
02:20:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
02:20:40 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT THE FISCAL
YEAR 21 MIDYEAR.
IF I CAN ASK YOU TO SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN, MS. LUCAS?
CAN YOU SEE IT WELL?
02:20:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE SEE IT.
02:21:09 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YOU DO?
02:21:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
02:21:12 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
OUTSTANDING.
THANK YOU.
YOU SEE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE'LL DISCUSS THE STATUS AND SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR
FISCAL YEAR 21.
BOTH AS THEY RELATE TO THE PANDEMIC CRISIS AND OUR DECISIONS
THAT KEPT US ON A SOUND FOOTING SO WE CAN MEET ANY FINANCIAL
CHALLENGES AHEAD.
EXCUSE ME.
WE'LL DISCUSS THE SIGNIFICANT PANDEMIC FUNDING RECEIVED
UNDER THE CARES ACT, AND THE FUNDING WE ARE RECEIVING UNDER
THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN OR ARFA.
AS YOU KNOW WE WILL BE BACK TO BRIEF COUNCIL IN MORE DETAIL
REGARDING OUR BUDGET IN JULY.
SOME GRANTS AND BONDS RELATED ITEMS.
AND OF COURSE WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL
HAS.
SO MOVING RIGHT INTO THE FINANCIAL STATUS.
AS WE TYPICALLY DO, WE'LL START WITH A BRIEF REFRESHER OF
THE TOTAL BUDGET ADOPTED THIS YEAR.
JUST OVER ONE AND ONE QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS WITH THE TWO
LARGEST COMPONENTS BEING THE ONES WE TALK ABOUT MOST, THE
GENERAL FUND AND THE ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH TOGETHER MAKE UP
OVER THREE QUARTERS OF THE TOTAL BUDGET.
HERE ARE THE EXPENDITURE CATEGORIES FOR EACH OF THOSE FUNDS,
WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, PARKS AND RECREATION, ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, AND SUPPORT OPERATIONS MAKING UP THE BULK OF
THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THEN OVER ON THE RIGHT, YOU HAVE THE WATER, WASTEWATER,
SOLID WASTE, UTILITY DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING PARKING.
HERE WE SHOW AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE THE IMPACT OF THE
TRANSFERS TO THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY PROPERTY TAX
REVENUE.
HERE ON THE RIGHT, $29 MILLION.
AND HOW THE COST OF POLICE AND FIRE ON THE LEFT BY
THEMSELVES ECLIPSE WHAT WE RECEIVE IN PROPERTY TAXES.
YOU HEARD COUNCILMAN VIERA SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE WHILE AGO
THAT WELL OVER HALF OF THE GENERAL FUND.
WE SHOW THIS SLIDE ALSO BECAUSE IT SEEMS WHEN MOST PEOPLE
THINK OF CITY REVENUE THEY THINK OF PROPERTY TAX.
BUT PROPERTY TAXES ARE ONLY ABOUT A FIFTH OF THE TOTAL
BUDGET AND ONLY ABOUT HALF OF THE GENERAL FUND.
WE ALSO LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THIS BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND AS
NOW IS THE MONEY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE MOST
FLEXIBILITY AND SPENDING.
BUT IT'S ALSO THE ONE WITH SO MANY COMPETING AND DIFFERENT
DEMANDS BECAUSE OF IT.
SPEAKING OF THE GENERAL FUND, THE GOOD NEWS, COUNCIL, IS WE
THINK WE'LL END UP IN A SLIGHTLY STRONGER FUND BALANCE
POSITION THAN WHEN WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET.
YOU SEE HERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
THAT'S OUR PROJECTION.
IT WAS OUR BUDGET.
JUST OVER 109 MILLION.
HOW DID WE DO THAT?
YOU WILL RECALL GOING INTO THIS YEAR WE KNEW WE WOULD BE ON
OUR BACK FOOT.
WE HAD ABOUT SIX MONTHS INTO THE PANDEMIC AND A LOT OF
UNKNOWNS.
SO ON THE TOP RIGHT YOU SEE WE FORTIFIED THE FUND BALANCE TO
A HIGH LEVEL BY DELAYING EXPENSES, ALMOST $9 MILLION IN
EXPENSES, UNTIL WE HAD A BETTER LAY OF THE LAND, AND SAW THE
IMPACT ON OUR REVENUES AND OUR EXPENDITURES.
AND YOU SEE THE RESULT HERE IN OUR FUND BALANCE HISTORY.
WE ARE STILL MAINTAINING, OR WE PROJECT WE WILL MAINTAIN A
VERY STRONG FUND BALANCE WELL OVER OUR 20% PILES, IN FACT
OVER $15 MILLION OVER.
BUT A FAR CRY OF WHERE WE STARTED WHEN WE FORTIFIED THAT
FUND BALANCE.
OUR REVISED PROJECTION IS SOMEWHAT IN LINE WITH THE
PERSONALS WE HAD IN THE RECENT PAST.
HERE IS THE LARGEST SINGLE SOURCE OF CITY REVENUE.
IT WILL ACTUALLY BE A BIT MORE THAN BUDGETED THIS YEAR,
ADVERSE IMPACTS HAVEN'T MATERIALIZED OR HAVEN'T BEEN AS BAD
AS FEARED.
THIS IS VERY GOOD NEWS FOR US RIGHT NOW, AND THE 8th
YEAR NO ROW OF INCREASES, AND OF COURSE FURTHER TO
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S EARLIER COMMENT YOU SEE IN GREEN.
GREEN MEANS IT'S WAY BETTER THAN WE ANTICIPATE.
ONE CAVEAT, THOUGH, AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE IMPACTS THE
PROPERTY TAX RECEIPTS TYPICALLY LAG DUE TO VALUATIONS AND
COLLECTIONS SO WE WILL BE WATCHING CLOSELY THE PROPERTY
APPRAISER'S CERTIFIED EVALUATION AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
SOMEWHERE ON THE FRANCHISE FEE, YOU SEE JUST ABOUT ITS
LOWEST IN EIGHT YEARS.
THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT REVENUE TO PROJECT BASED ON ANY
NUMBER OF FACTORS.
THE LATE CHARGES, FUEL CHARGE ADJUSTMENTS, THE INCREASED USE
IN SOCIETY AS ENERGY EFFICIENT APPLIANCES.
SO WE ARE ON TARGET BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE LOST A FEW
MILLION OVER THE YEARS.
OUR HALF CENT SALES TAX IS A PLEASANT SURPRISE, LOOKING
ABOUT 5% BETTER, OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, AND THAT'S ABOUT
2019 LEVELS.
AND THESE TWO REVENUE SOURCES ON THE LEFT, THE FIRST FISCAL
YEAR 18 LEVEL WITH AN INCREASE OF NEARLY $2 MILLION MORE.
AND THE SECOND IN COMMUNICATION SERVICES TAX, STAYING NEAR
THE LOWEST IN OVER A DECADE.
YOU HEARD COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SPEAK TO IT EARLIER AND HE
SEWED, QUIETED RIGHT, IT'S BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT REVENUE FOR
YEARS.
YOU HEARD ME SAY IT BEFORE, BUT TO PUT IN THE CONTEXT, IT'S
NEARLY $20 MILLION ANNUALLY TEN YEARS AGO.
OVER TIME, BETTER.
MOVING TO ONE OF THE CITY'S BIGGEST EXPENDITURES, BECAUSE
NOTHING GETS DONE WITHOUT PEOPLE.
ON THE GOOD NEWS SIDE, OUR PERSONNEL COSTS HERE ARE NEARLY
$2 MILLION LESS DUE TO COVID RELATED COSTS BEING BORNE BY
THE CARES ACT, AND HELPED US MOVE SOME OF THE BURDEN TO
FUNDING INSTEAD OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
SPEAKING OF PERSONNEL, AND THE CITY'S COMPLEMENT OF
EMPLOYEES, OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THE CITY'S RATIO OF
EMPLOYEES FOR THE CITIZENS WE SERVE HAS CONTINUED TO
DECREASE.
YOU SEE HERE FOR 19-20, WE ARE THE GREEN BAR.
WE WERE THE LOWEST RATIO AMONG OUR PEERS IN 2019 AND 2020.
AFTER A GRADUAL DECLINE IN TERMS OF THE RATIO.
I DON'T HAVE THE 20-21 INFORMATION BUT OF COURSE THAT'S VERY
POSITIVE, AND AGAIN FURTHER PROOF THAT WE STAYED RIGHT SIZE
AND SOME AREAS MAYBE A BIT UNDERRESOURCED DURING THE
RECOVERY FROM THE GREAT RECESSION.
AND AGAIN, PART OF THE CONTINUING CONSERVATIVE FISCAL
MANAGEMENT THAT REALLY HAS BEEN THE CITY'S HALLMARK.
BACK TO EXPENDITURES.
WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME OF THE BEST FUNDED PENSION PROGRAMS
IN THE COUNTRY.
YOU SEE HERE THE FIRE AND POLICE PENSION PROGRAM IS RIGHT ON
BUDGET.
WITH AN INCREASE DUE TO HIGHER SALARIES AND SOME ACTUARIAL
ASSUMPTIONS, IN EXCESS OF 95%, AN ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING
FUNDED RATIO.
THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES PENSION FUND HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT STABLE
REGARDING YEAR TO YEAR CONTRIBUTIONS, AND IS STILL FUNDED IN
YEAR 90%.
AGAIN OUTSTANDING.
JUST TO SUMMARIZE BOTH OF OUR PENSION PROGRAMS REMAIN VERY
ROBUST DUE TO THE CITY AND FOR THE FIRE AND POLICE PENSION
FUND, THE EMPLOYEES, TOO, CONTRIBUTING WHAT'S NEEDED THROUGH
GOOD TIMES AND BAD EVERY YEAR.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE CONTINUING EXCELLENT
FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT BY BOTH
PENSION BOARDS.
MOVING TO OUR ENTERPRISE FUND, YOU SEE THE PARKING
DEPARTMENT COULD BE IN BETTER SHAPE.
BUT WE ARE STILL ANTICIPATING AN INCREASE IN THEIR FUND
BALANCE, NOT AS MUCH AS WE HAD ANTICIPATED WHEN WE ADOPTED
THE BUDGET.
BUT STILL ON THE PLUS SIDE.
DESPITE REVENUE DOWN NEARLY 10% DUE PRIMARILY TO THE
PANDEMIC.
THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, WE ANTICIPATE IS GOING TO TAKE
IT EVEN A BIT HARDER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
YOU WILL RECALL THAT THE BUDGET WAS ALREADY REDUCED.
BASED ON WHAT WE SAW DURING THE HEIGHT OF LAST SUMMER
INCLUDING COMMERCIAL REVENUE, ACTUALLY GOING TO LOSE MORE
MONEY THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT WILL FINISH AHEAD, SLIGHTLY AHEAD
WHEREOF WE ANTICIPATED.
THE LOSSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PANDEMIC HAVE NOT BEEN AS BAD
AS PROJECTED SO FAR.
AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT WILL FINISH AHEAD AS WELL,
PRIMARILY DUE TO A JUMP IN WATER SALES AND THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT CHARGE.
YOU HEARD ME SPEAK LAST WEEK WHAT WE FEEL IS THE NECESSITY
OF MAINTAINING A STRONG FUND BALANCE HERE AND WE ARE ON
COURSE TO DO JUST THAT.
TURNING NOW TO THE PANDEMIC FUNDING STATUS WE RECEIVED, AND
OUR ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
WE'LL START WITH THE CARES ACT.
YOU RECALL THE FIRST INFUSION OF FUNDING HAD THAT MAIN, AND
WE RECEIVED AND SPENT $30 MILLION OF IT, AND TO SEE THE
ITEMS LISTED HERE.
THE LARGEST ITEM OF COURSE BEING PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY,
EMPLOYEE PERSONNEL EXPENSES.
NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT ON DISINFECTING,
SUPPLIES, SOCIAL DISTANCING, ET CETERA.
AND THEN THE OTHER AREA, COSTS ALLOWED BY THE CARES ACT.
NEXT UP, APPROXIMATELY $80 MILLION WE'LL RECEIVE OVER THE
COURSE OF TWO ANNUAL PAYMENTS.
AGAIN, WE ARE COMING TO COUNCIL IN JULY FOR A DETAILED
BRIEFING, BUT FOR NOW, WE AND EVERYONE ELSE RECENTLY
RECEIVED GUIDANCE FROM THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE
METHODOLOGY.
THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF FUNDING AND BASED
ON OUR CARES ACT, THE GUIDELINES WILL PROBABLY CHANGE SOME
AS WE GO FORWARD.
THE EMPHASIS NOW AS IT WAS THEN WAS GETTING THE MONEY OUT
THE DOOR, NOT SO MUCH ON THE GUIDANCE.
ON THE PLUS SIDE, IT SEEMS IT WILL BE MORE FLEXIBLE THAN
CARES FUNDING, PROBABLY THE LARGEST EXAMPLE, CARES MONEY WAS
SPECIFICALLY NOT ALLOWABLE FOR REVENUE RECOVERY, WHILE IT
ALLOWS FOR IT.
THAT'S NO SMALL CONSIDERATION.
YOU SEE HERE LIST OF AUTHORIZED USES INCLUDING PUBLIC HEALTH
RESPONSE.
AS A REMINDER WE CONTINUE TO HAVE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH
THE PANDEMIC.
IT'S NOT OVER.
THE REVENUE LOSS I ALREADY MENTIONED.
INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND OF COURSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ALSO WORKING ON
FUNDING A SEPARATE NATIONWIDE INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM.
AND THE HOUSEHOLD SMALL BUSINESSES AND NON-PROFITS.
A WORD OR TWO ABOUT OUR GRANTS PROGRAM AND BOND.
FIRST UP, GRANTS.
COUNCIL, YOU MAY RECALL THAT LAST YEAR WE DEVELOPED A MORE
COHESIVE GRANT PLANNING AND SUBMISSION PROGRAM, TO TRY TO
ENSURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE ARE MOVING WITH
ONE VOICE.
LAST YEAR, WE WERE AWARDED NEARLY $30 MILLION IN GRANT
FUNDS, AND I HAVE ALWAYS HEARD THAT IF YOU ATTAIN YOUR GOALS
YOU HAVEN'T SET IT HIGH ENOUGH.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE AGAIN SET OVER $70 MILLION OF
POTENTIAL GRANT FUNDING.
AND WHAT WOULD A BUDGET PRESENTATION BE WITHOUT EMPHASIZING
OUR VERY STRONG CREDIT RATING?
WE DO THIS NOT ONLY TO EMPHASIZE THE CITY'S STRENGTH IN THE
MIDST OF THESE PANDEMIC CHALLENGES, BUT TO REMIND OURSELVES
IN SOME AREAS, THERE IS STILL ROOM TO IMPROVE.
ALL OF THAT AS YOU MAY KNOW ARE HIGH RATE OR BETTER.
AT THE VERY TOP YOU SEE THE ISSUER CREDIT RATING.
THAT'S BASICALLY A MEASURE OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE, IT'S
OVERALL FINANCIAL HEALTH.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT STANDARD & POOR'S HAS GIVEN US
THE BEST RATING.
THE OTHER TWO AGENCIES, MOODY'S AND FITCH HAS GIVEN US THE
SECOND HIGHEST.
SO SOMETHING TO SHOOT FOR AND WE'LL GET THERE.
OF COURSE AS YOU KNOW WE ARE VERY PROUD, THE WATER AND
WASTEWATER SYSTEM HAS THE BEST CREDIT RATING ACROSS THE
BOARD.
HERE IS THE REMAINING CALENDAR ASSOCIATED WITH FISCAL YEAR
22.
THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE, EARLY JULY, WILL
COME TO YOU JULY 15th REGARDING A MORE DETAILED
BREAKDOWN AND EXPLANATION OF THE FUNDING.
THE MAYOR'S PRESENTATION EARLY ON, AND OF COURSE THE
SEPTEMBER PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, COUNCIL.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME, AND THANK YOU FOR THE
BRIEFINGS WE HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NOW.
IF I CAN'T, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK.
02:35:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SAW MR. VIERA FIRST.
MR. MANISCALCO SECOND.
MR. CARLSON.
AND I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS OF MY OWN.
02:35:43 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO, AS ALWAYS FOR THAT, AS
ALWAYS VERY INFORMATIVE REPORT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
YOU KNOW, THE DEFICITS THAT WE ARE OPERATING UNDER, THINGS
ARE GOOD RIGHT NOW THANKS TO FEDERAL LEADERSHIP THAT LAST
YEAR WAS BIPARTISAN.
THIS YEAR WAS MORE PARTISAN.
BUT UNDER CARES ACT AND NOW THE AMERICAN RELIEF ACT, CITIES
AND MUNICIPALITIES OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES ARE GETTING THE
FUNDING THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET PAST THIS TERRIBLE
CRISIS THAT WE HAVE BEEN UNDER, THANKS TO GREAT LEADERSHIP,
WE ARE SEEING WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE END OF IT, WHICH IS
VERY, VERY GOOD.
WE ARE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALL
WANT TO CELEBRATE AS AMERICANS AND I THINK THAT'S A
WONDERFUL THING.
BUT WE HAVE SO MANY DEFICITS.
WE ALWAYS, CHAIRMAN GUDES WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL FOR
TRANSPORTATION, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HEAR
ABOUT ARE THE DEFICITS THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE TAKING CARE
OF JUST WITH EQUITY SO THAT PENNY SALES TAX, I THINK THE
NUMBERS WITH AFT, JUST TO MEET THE NEEDS IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, REPAY I THINK $16 MILLION A YEAR AND OUR BUDGET IS
ABOUT $5 MILLION.
WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT
ABOUT $850,000 FOR SIDEWALKS.
THAT AFT PENNY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN US FOUR OR FIVE TIMES THAT
OUNT.
SO WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, NOT ONLY WITH THE FUNDS THAT
WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THIS MORNING BUT ALSO WITH THAT ALL
FOR TRANSPORTATION PENNY SALES TAX, WHICH IS JUST SO VERY
PIVOTAL, SO VERY PIVOTAL FOR US.
ANOTHER THING TO KEEP ON THE HORIZON IS IF ANY OF YOU ALL
OWN A HOME AND YOU ARE GETTING LETTERS FROM REALTORS OF A
HOME THAT WAS WORTH X AMOUNT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IS NOW
WORTH PROBABLY X AMOUNT PLUS 40%.
YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THIS GO FOR?
ARE WE DEALING WITH ANOTHER SITUATION LIKE WE SAW IN 07 AND
08 WHEN THE CITY OF TAMPA REALLY FACED ONE OF ITS WORST
FINANCIAL CRISES THAT WE HAVE HAD IN SUCH A VERY, VERY LONG
TIME?
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT, BECAUSE I FOR ONE AM
ALWAYS VERY SKEPTICAL OF THAT.
WHEN I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE MAYOR'S PRESENTATION ON THE
BUDGET, I HAVE ALREADY STATED MY STRONG PREFERENCE, MR.
ROGERO AND I HAD SOME FRANK TALKS ABOUT THAT IS CORRECT WHEN
IT COMES TO SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY,
ESPECIALLY, I THINK, I MENTIONED IT THIS MORNING, TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE, SOMETHING THAT'S SO CRITICAL I.WANT THAT YEAR TO BE
THE YEAR OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN THIS BUDGET.
COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL HAS MADE ITS PREFERENCE KNOWN FOR SEE
IF WE CAN USE THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS IN PART FOR SOME OF OUR
PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS, AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
EQUITY AND COMMUNITY, I REMIND FOLKS THAT SOME OF THE
COMMUNITIES THAT FIRE STATION 13 SERVE VERSUS CHILD POVERTY
RATES AT 40, 50, 60%.
SO THAT'S A BIG ISSUE.
BUT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:38:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
02:38:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
I SAW STRUCTURE IN ONE OF THE SLIDES AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN
SAID AND I SAID IT THIS MORNING, BUT MR. ROGERO SAID IT, YOU
KNOW, THE BULK OF OUR REVENUE SUBPOENAING FROM PROPERTY
TAXES.
SO ONE OF THE MOST COMMON THINGS I HEAR IS I PAY MY TAXES,
WHY CAN'T MY ROAD GET PAVED?
CAN WE DEDICATE SOME OF THAT FUNDING TO AT LEAST PAVING SOME
OF OUR WORST ROADS?
AND EVEN WITH SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR SIDEWALKS
FOR YEARS, SPECIFICALLY WEST TAMPA, AND AGAIN ALL FOR
TRANSPORTATION IS DEAD TO ME.
I DON'T COUNT ON IT.
BUT WE WERE RELYING ON THAT MONEY TO CATCH UP ON THOSE
PROJECTS I DON'T WANT TO CALL AT WINDFALL BUT THIS $ 0
MILLION THAT'S COMING WILL ALLOW US SOME FLEXIBILITY, I
WOULD ASSUME.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS BUDGET JUST BASIC STREET
PAVING AND WHAT WE CAN DO, AND SIDEWALK PROJECTS, AND THAT'S
IT.
AND YOU WILL SEE THAT.
AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY WITH THAT.
BUT THEIR TAX MONEY IS -- THE RETURN IS SOMETHING THAT THEY
CAN SEE, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE IT ON TOP OF THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PARKS IN
MY DISTRICT.
I ALREADY SPOKE TO MR. ROGERO ABOUT THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN --
I DON'T 2021 SAY IGNORED BUT SET ASIDE, SET ON THE BACK
BURNER.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT.
I DON'T TRUST THIS HOUSING MARKET.
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO A GREAT RECESSION
SITUATION.
I TALK TO REALTORS DAILY AND THE STORIES THAT THEY TELL ME,
I JUST SIT BACK AND I'M CONFUSED, AND I LAUGH BECAUSE LOOK
AT THAT HOUSE.
LOOK AT THAT HOUSE.
$400,000.
IT APPRAISED AT $400,000.
THE BANKS, THE MARRIAGES APPROVES $400,000 AND THE BUYERS
ARE PAYING $50,000 OVER BECAUSE PEOPLE EVER FIGHTING OVER
THAT PROJECT, OR HOUSE, THAT HOME.
AND I ASK MYSELF, IF THE MARKET DROPPED JUST A LITTLE BIT,
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE STARTING UNDERWATER WITH
MONEY OUT OF POCKET UNDERWATER.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
BUT YET PEOPLE ARE BUYING, AND VENTURES LENDING THE MONEY
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WE DIDN'T LEARN OUR LESSON THE FIRST TIME.
THAT'S IT.
I'LL STOP THERE.
I APPRECIATE IT.
02:41:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION, AND JUST FOLLOWING UP WITH
WHAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID, IN THE PAST, PAST
ADMINISTRATION VERSUS GONE TO CITY COUNCIL AND ASKED WHAT IS
YOUR PET PROJECT THAT WE CAN FUND?
AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT SO FAR IN THIS ADMINISTRATION,
WHICH I APPRECIATE.
THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT VANITY PROJECTS.
THEY DON'T WANT PET PROJECTS.
THEY WANT BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE ADDRESSED.
AND WHEN MR. ROGERO APPROACHED ME A YEAR AGO FOR THE BUDGET,
I SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO SAVE MONEY INTO THE GENERAL FUND
RESERVE, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS PUTTING IN SOME KIND OF
RECESSION, WE DIDN'T EXPECT COVID-19 TO HIT.
BECAUSE THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, WASN'T IT?
BUT THANK GOODNESS WE STARTED TO PUT SOME OF THE MONEY BACK
THAT THE LAST ADMINISTRATION SPENT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE BASIC
INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
WE HAVE FLORIDA, TAMPA ARE NOT A COUNTRY WE CAN'T CLOSE OUR
BORDERS, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM OTHER STATES THAT ARE MOVING
HERE BY THE THOUSANDS.
THE OLD NUMBER WAS A THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY MOVING TO FLORIDA
AND NOW IT'S GOT TO BE MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE
MOVING EVERYWHERE, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T BUILT TO
HOLD THE PEOPLE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND THE COMPLAINTS WE ARE
GET BEING THAT.
WHAT I SAID TO MR. ROGERO THE OTHER DAY IS WHAT MR.
MANISCALCO SAID, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ROADS, PEOPLE ARE VERY
ANGRY ABOUT POTHOLES, THEY THINK THAT ONLY THEIR STREETS
HAVE POTHOLES IN THEM.
I SAY, NO, IT'S THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY BECAUSE THERE WAS
NO ATTENTION PAID ON IT, MAYBE EVERYBODY WAS WAITING FOR ALL
FOR TRANSPORTATION.
BUT NOW PEOPLE HAVE CARS THAT ARE FALLING APART BECAUSE
THEIR ROADS ARE SO BAD.
AND THEY ARE REALLY, REALLY BAD.
IN SOME WAYS, MAYBE THEY ARE LIKE SPEED BUMPS THAT THEY SLOW
PEOPLE DOWN IN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH KIDS, SPEEDING IS ALSO A
PROBLEM, ABOUT YOU THE PUDDLES ARE JUST HORRIBLE.
SIDEWALKS WE HAVE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT.
WE HAVE GOT TO FIX THOSE, PARKS PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MORE AND
MORE TIME IN THE PARKS.
WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON IT.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IN WHICH I DIDN'T MENTION WAS
MR. ROGERO'S CODE ENFORCEMENT.
CODE ENFORCEMENT WORKING ON PARKING ISSUES, ALL KINDS OF
THINGS.
PEOPLE ARE JUST REALLY ANGRY THAT NOBODY FROM THE CITY SHOWS
UP, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE UNDERRESOURCED TO GO OUT AND TRY
TO FIX ISSUES PEOPLE DUMPING GASH BADGE ON THEIR FRONT YARD
OR SOUND PROBLEMS AND OTHER ISSUES.
THREE QUICK QUESTIONS. CAN YOU PULL UP YOUR SLIDES AGAIN
REAL FAST?
I THINK IT'S SLIDE NUMBER 1.
02:43:48 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AND CAN YOU STILL SEE MY SCREEN?
02:43:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING?
02:43:57 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CERTAINLY.
02:44:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY, I DIDN'T 2021 INTERRUPT YOU WHILE
YOU WERE GOING THROUGH.
THE SECOND SLIDE.
02:44:09 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
THE AGENDA?
02:44:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE MORE.
YES, SO DEBT SERVICE 2.9%.
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE?
IS THAT A HIGH NUMBER, LOW NUMBER, AVERAGE NUMBER?
02:44:24 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SIR.
LET ME DO SOME RESEARCH AND CIRCLE BACK TO YOU.
IN THE PAST WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, IT'S BEEN TO MY
RECOLLECTION MID RANGE, MID RANGE.
02:44:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU AND YOUR -- SORRY.
I KNOW YOU AND YOUR PREDECESSOR PAID A LOT OF ATTENTION TO
FUND RESERVES WHICH I APPRECIATE.
BUT I AM JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE DEBT SERVICE, THAT AVERAGE.
AND THEN CAN YOU SKIP AHEAD A FEW SLIDES?
YOU HAD A COUPLE SLIDES ON PERSONNEL COSTS.
ONE OF MY FRUSTRATIONS WITH SOME OF THESE SLIDES IN THE PAST
IS THEY DON'T GO BACK FAR ENOUGH AND SOME OF THEM LIKE THE
FUND BALANCE DON'T SHOW WHAT THE FUND BALANCE USED TO BE
BEFORE IT GOT RAIDED.
BUT ON PERSONNEL COSTS, I THINK THERE WAS A TIME --
02:45:13 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THERE WE GO.
02:45:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS OVERALL PERSONNEL COSTS.
IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THIS LINE, 2014, 2021, IT LOOKS LIKE THE
CITY ESPECIALLY THE WAY THIS CURVE IS, WHICH IS JUST THE WAY
IT WAS SET UP IN EXCEL OR WHATEVER, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE
CITY IS JUST SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY ON STAFF AND
STAFFING UP.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS PRE-2008.
02:45:37 >> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION WHEN
THE GREAT RECESSION HIT.
DO YOU HAVE -- 2006 OR 2007 WHAT THE STAFF EXPENSE WAS, JUST
SO WE CAN SHOW THE PUBLIC THE CONTEXT?
02:45:48 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
I COULDN'T EVEN HAZARD A GUESS BUT WE'LL FIND IT VERY EASILY
AND GET TO THE YOU.
02:45:56 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SAME THING WITH THE NEXT SLIDE WHICH
SHOWS I THINK PER CAPITA, THAT KIND OF RATIO. JUST SO WE
CAN SHOW IF CONTEXT.
AND WHAT I THINK THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS WHAT WE
ARE EXPERIENCING IS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN UNDERSTAFFED
BECAUSE OF THE GREAT RECESSION AND OTHER THINGS, THE CITY
HAS BEEN UNDERSTAFFED AND BEING ABLE TO SOLVE SOME OF THE
PROBLEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, AND NOW THE
ADMINISTRATION IS SPENDING ON STAFF, BUT WE NEED TO SHOW
THAT THAT RESPONSE TO WHAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS BUT ALSO THAT WE
ARE TRYING TO BACK UP TO MAYBE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE WE
HAD BEFORE 2008.
AND THE LAST THING, A BIG QUESTION I GET FROM MY DISTRICT IS
PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT PROPERTY TAX INCREASES AND WHAT THEY
ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY VALUE WENT UP WHICH
IS A GOOD BUT THEN THEIR TAXES GO UP AND SAVE OUR HOMES,.
BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS ROLL BACK?
I KNOW THERE'S A LOADED WHEN QUESTION BUT IF WE ROLLED BACK
TO LAST YEAR'S REVENUES, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT -- I KNOW IT'S
A TOUGH EQUIP TO ANSWER QUICKLY, BUT WHAT KIND OF OVERALL
IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON THE BUDGET CONSIDERING EVERYTHING
WE ARE TRYING TO DO?
02:47:07 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN I COULDN'T HAZARD A GUESS RIGHT NOW
BUT WE COULD RESEARCH IT WITH VERY LITTLE TROUBLE AND GET
BACK TO YOU.
02:47:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:47:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
GENTLEMEN, WHEN I SAY THESE THINGS I DON'T MEAN TO OFFEND
ANYBODY BUT WE HAVE TO FACE REALITY.
ATF IS BEHIND US.
FLORIDA SUPREME COURT STRUCK IT DOWN.
FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY CAME UP WITH.
CIT IS ABOUT TO BE BEHIND US.
I THINK IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO WORK WITH OUR FRIENDS
OVER AT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND GET A NEWER VERSION OF ATF
ON THE BALLOT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND FEIGNED A DIFFERENT
FORM OF REVENUE THAT THIS SHORTFALL IS GOING TO CAUSE US FOR
THE C.I.T.
IF WE WANT TO PLAY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IF WE WANT THE SERVICES THAT THIS
CITY IS USED TO, IT'S STILL GOING TO COST US MONEY.
I HOPE AGAIN THAT WE CAN WORK WITH OUR FRIENDS AT COUNTY
COMMISSION SO THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY FOR THESE SHORTFALLS
THAT IMMINENT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
DENNIS, AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
AND THIS MORNING, AS I SAID, PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD BE FIRST
AND FOREMOST IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
02:48:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
02:48:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
DENNIS, THAT ONE SLIDE ALWAYS BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT, THE
ONE THAT SHOWS HOW OUR NUMBERS OF EMPLOYEES HAVE DROPPED,
AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD FOR US TO TRY AND BE PRUDENT AND, YOU
KNOW, STRETCH OUR DOLLARS AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THE FLIP SLIDE IS, RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF MAYOR
CASTOR'S ADMINISTRATION, SHE AND I STOOD DOWN IN HER OFFICE
AND KIND OF BRAGGED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WERE GOING TO PAY
OUR EMPLOYEES THE MINIMUM OF $15 AN HOUR TO DO THE WORK OF
THE CITY, WHICH IS HARD FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE ON $15 AN HOUR,
BUT SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES AT THAT TIME, I THINK, WERE 11 OR
$12 AN HOUR SO ABOUT 100 EMPLOYEES I THINK GOT BUMPED UP TO
$15 AN HOUR AND THAT WAS A GOOD DAY.
MY CONCERN IS, WE CAN LOSE EMPLOYEES, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING
TO LOSE THE SERVICES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
SO INSTEAD WHAT WE DO IS WE CONTRACT OUT SOME OF THOSE
LOWER-END SERVICE JOBS TO PRIVATE PROVIDERS, AND THEY END UP
PAYING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, 8, 9, $10 AN HOUR.
AND AS A COMMUNITY, I AM NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE ACCOMPLISH
IN DOING THAT.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR MANY,
MANY YEARS.
SPECIFICALLY, ON ITEM 41 OF TODAY'S AGENDA, IT ACTUALLY
MAKES REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT A PARTICULAR VENDOR WAS
LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BUMP IN THEIR CONTRACT SO THEY COULD
RAISE WHAT THEY PAY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE I THINK THEIR FLAGMEN
OUT ON THE STREET DOING TRAFFIC CONTROL.
AND THEY WERE GOING TO RAISE THEM BECAUSE THE MINIMUM RAGE
IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WENT UP FROM $8.56 AN HOUR TO 8.65
AN HOUR.
SO THEN WE WERE FOLLOWING SUIT AND BUMPING UP THAT CONTRACT.
FORTUNATELY, THE VOTERS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE SAID WE
ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE BUT IT'S ONLY GOING
TO BUMP UP A DOLLAR EACH YEAR OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO SEPTEMBER GOES TO 10, THEN 11, THEN 12, ET CETERA.
ANYWAY, KIND OF A LONG-WINDED WAY TO GETTING AROUND TO
SAYING WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T PAT
OURSELVES ON THE BACK TOO MUCH ABOUT KEEPING THE NUMBER OF
EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE DOWN, BUT THEN CONTRACTING OUT AND
UNDERPAYING THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE CITY'S WORK.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I KNOW THAT I -- AND I HOPE THE REST OF
CITY COUNCIL WILL KEEP A SHARP EYE OUT ON IN THE FUTURE.
I KNOW MANY TIMES WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH
OUR CONTRACTORS ARE PAID, THEIR EMPLOYEES, AND I AM NOT
REALLY SURE HOW WE GET TO THAT SORT OF INFORMATION.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF OUR CONTRACTORS TO
FOLLOW SUIT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY IS PAYING, AND AT
LEAST PAY A MINIMUM OF $15 AN HOUR, KEEP THE COMMUNITY
STANDARDS HIGHER.
OTHERWISE, AS THE CHAIRMAN POINTED OUT, PEOPLE END UP OUT ON
THE STREET BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE AT 7 OR
$8 AN HOUR.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S MY SOAPBOX.
THANK YOU, DENNIS.
02:52:14 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
02:52:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. ROGERO, I NEED YOU OH TO HOLD BACK FOR
A MINUTE.
I HAVE THESE THINGS I AM GOING TO GO AT YOU WITH.
WE TALKED, AND MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS HOUSING.
I KNOW PUBLIC SAFETY IS A BIG ISSUE WITH FIRE.
EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR CONTRACTS THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
DONE.
I THINK THAT -- I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY PARTICULAR BIG
RAISES OR BONUSES DUE, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY THIS COMING YEAR, A
CONTRACT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
SO WE NEED FIRE STATIONS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
HOPE WE CAN GET THAT IN.
BUT FOR ME RIGHT NOW, AND FOR MY DISTRICT, AND ACTUALLY FOR
THE CITY, ESPECIALLY THE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES WITHIN ALL
FOUR DISTRICTS, HOUSING IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THEY TALK
ABOUT EVERY DAY.
IT IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.
HOUSING.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT -- OUTSOURCING, TO OUTSOURCE
HOUSING TO GET THOSE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN INTO THE HOUSING
DEPARTMENT, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE IN THERE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE NEED.
NUMBER ONE.
AND ALSO LOOKING AT DOLLARS TO GO IN THAT AREA SO THEY CAN
HELP THOSE WHO ARE IN THAT THRESHOLD THAT CAN'T DO THE NEXT
STEP TO GET INTO HOUSING.
THAT HAS TO BE NUMBER ONE.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS OUR OVERALL GOAL.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.
DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE I BUT
OTHER THAN THAT, HOUSING HAS TO BE THERE.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IN
YBOR WITH THE WHOLE SITUATION OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I
LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, AGAIN, IT JUST BROKE
MY HEART, THAT STORY YESTERDAY, OF THAT YOUNG MOTHER, KIDS,
AND TIMES ARE GETTING MUCH TOUGHER RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.
THAT'S MY BIG TICKET ITEM FOR ALL THREE DISTRICTS.
MR. CARLSON'S DISTRICT, THERE ARE SOME MARGINALIZED
DISTRICTS DOWN IN PORT TAMPA, I HEAR YOU, THAT NEED HELP AS
WELL.
THESE MY THING.
I WAS AT A MEETING, SPECIAL GUEST AT A MEETING A COUPLE
WEEKS AGO.
AND POLITICIANS THAT SIT ON THE BOARDS IN OTHER COUNTIES AND
OTHER STATES.
AND THEY ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAD NO ANSWER
TO.
BUT I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TODAY.
I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER TODAY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
HOW MANY BANKS DOES THE CITY USE AND HOW MUCH OUR SHARE OF
MONEY IN THOSE BANKS AND THOSE FUNDS?
EACH ONE OF THOSE BANKS THAT WE ARE UTILIZING HAVE COMMUNITY
MONEY THEY GIVE OUT, WHAT PROJECTS THEY HAVE GIVEN OUT OVER
THE YEARS, WHERE, AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT HAS BEEN SPENT.
I THINK THAT'S CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO GIVE
THOSE DOLLARS TO BE USED IN MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED THAT A COUPLE TIMES AND I WAS THROWN ON
THE SPOT AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
BUT YOU ARE OUR FINANCIAL OFFICER.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE THOSE ANSWERS TO THIS BOARD SO WE
KNOW WHERE OUR MONEY IS HOUSED, HOW MUCH IS HOUSED IN THOSE
BANKS.
AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE COMMUNITY DOLLARS, USED IN
COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE HOUSING MONEY THERE, WHERE
ARE THOSE FUNDAL OH INDICATED AND HOW MUCH?
02:56:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST
THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.
02:56:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I CAN DO THAT, SIR.
02:56:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BECAUSE MR. BENNETT SEEMS TO THINK THAT
LIFE GOES BETTER THAT WAY.
02:56:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
02:56:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE MOTION IS CLEAR.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
02:56:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
02:56:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MOTION?
02:56:47 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
02:56:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M ASKING THAT ALL THE CITY BANKS THAT WE
UTILIZE, WHO ARE THEY, HOW MUCH DOLLARS WE HAVE IN THEM,
ALSO WANT TO KNOW THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT MONEY THAT
THOSE BANKS USE THAT WE HOLD OUR MONEY THERE, WHERE HAVE THE
MONEYS BEEN ALLOCATED AT, AND HOW MUCH DOLLARS HAVE BEEN
UTILIZED?
AND I WOULD GO FIVE YEARS, MR. ROGERO.
02:57:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A CLARIFIED MOTION.
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDS IT.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
ALL RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT, DO YOU, MR.
SHELBY?
ALL RIGHT.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:57:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ALSO, MR. ROGERO, I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM MY PAST
CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND HAD DIFFICULTIES
TRYING TO GET THESE MEETINGS SCHEDULED.
I CAN SEE ON THE CALENDAR THAT WE DO HAVE SOME MEETINGS
SCHEDULED.
I AM HOPING THAT WE GET GOOD COOPERATION.
I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES WE DON'T GET THE COOPERATION OF
STAFF.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT VOTE FOR MONEY AND SITUATIONS SO I
HOPING -- I KNOW YOU ARE OVER THAT PARTICULAR AREA THERE.
SO I WONDER IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE ADMINISTRATORS
WHO HAVE DEPARTMENTS THAT DEAL WITH MONEY THAT THEY MAKE THE
MEETINGS AS REQUIRED AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY MAKE IT A TO
LEVEL ISSUE AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
02:58:22 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
02:58:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW MOST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE
CHANGED SOME OF THE MEMBERS, BECAUSE THE PAST YEAR,
FINANCIALLY SOUND, WERE FOUND TO HAVE BUDGETARY ISSUES.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME NEW MEMBERS THERE.
AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY FOR THE
CITIZENS' DOLLARS.
SO WITH THAT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING?
02:58:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
56 HAS BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME.
02:58:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GOING TO GET TO IT.
YES, SIR.
ANYTHING ELSE?
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO.
GREAT PRESENTATION AS USUAL.
02:59:05 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:59:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 56.
02:59:14 >>RYAN MANASSE:
I WILL REFRESH ITEM 56, REZ 20-103.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5426 BAY CENTER DRIVE,
MEDICAL OFFICE, HOTEL, MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL.
CONTINUED FROM FEBRUARY 11, THEN APRIL 1st, TO TODAY'S
HEARING. I DO HAVE MY STAFF ON LINE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY
QUESTIONS FROM MY PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, CHAIR.
I BELIEVE THE AGENT HAS SOME PROVISIONS AND -- REVISIONS AND
SUCH TO MAKE BUT STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
02:59:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MANASSE?
I BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN SWORN.
CORRECT, MADAM CLERK?
03:00:02 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK.
MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF CRESCENT RESOURCES.
I'M SORRY, NOT RESOURCES.
DAN WOODWARD WITHIN HIGHWOODS, AND RANDY COEN OF COEN AND
COMPANY.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO DISCUSS
MATTERS THAT CAME UP AT OUR LAST HEARING.
AND JUST TO REFRESH COUNCIL'S MEMORY, THE PROPERTY THAT IS
UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY IS THE CURRENT APPROVAL FOR THIS
PROPERTY INCLUDES 546 -- [INDISCERNIBLE]
OUR PROPOSAL TODAY IS REQUESTING ONLY 292 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
ONE ISSUE THAT WAS -- WAS A CONCERN OVER THE FOUR WAIVERS AS
WE REQUESTED FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS, AND WE STUDIED
THE WAIVERS, AND I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE ARE PREPARED
TO ELIMINATE ALL OF THE WAIVERS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
PROJECT.
AND IN PARTICULAR, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE PROPOSED
APARTMENTS WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY,
WHICH WAS A PARTICULAR CONCERN, AND WE WILL NOT REQUIRE ANY
WAIVERS FOR LOADING SPACES, PARKING, OR --
WE HAVE ZERO WAIVERS FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT IS AN APPARENT DISCONNECT
BETWEEN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY AND WHAT SOME OF THE
RESIDENTS SEEM TO ASSUME WHICH HAPPENED THE DAY WE WERE
DENIED, THAT IS RESIDENTS THINK THAT NOTHING WILL GO ON THIS
PROPERTY -- DENIED.
ONE OF THE OBJECTORS STATED THAT THEY OBJECT TO LOSS OF A
DEDICATED PARK.
THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, NOT A PARK.
AND AS I SEWED, IT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR 546 MULTIFAMILY
UNITS.
TO THAT END MY CLIENT HAS SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME
ANALYZING WHAT TYPES OF APARTMENT PROJECTS CAN BE ON THIS
SITE UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING, AND WE ARE DOING THIS TO
ILLUSTRATE WHAT CAN OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY TODAY REGARDLESS
OF WHAT COUNCIL'S ACTION IS.
AND AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK RANDY COEN TO PROVIDE A
COMPARISON OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY VERSUS WHAT COULD
BE PUT UNDER THE EXISTING [INDISCERNIBLE]
MR. COEN.
03:03:27 >>RANDY COEN:
COEN SWORN.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
IS MY SCREEN VISIBLE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
THIS WILL BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
ON BAY CENTER DRIVE.
THE FIRST OFFICE BUILDING HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE HAS BEEN
CONSTRUCTED.
SO THE SUBJECT OF THE REZONING TODAY IS TO MODIFY THE
APPROVAL FOR THIS PARCEL OF LAND HERE.
CURRENTLY, IT'S APPROVED FOR A BUILDING THAT WOULD FIT A
FOOTPRINT GENERALLY OF THIS, IN A LONG RECTANGULAR SHAPE,
AND FOR THE COMMUNITY WHICH IS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED
MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER, THOSE SUGGEST THAT IF THIS PROPERTY,
THE TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY THAT WOULD BE HERE WOULD BE
CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT THAN THE TYPICAL MARKET MULTIFAMILY
WHICH IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED ON THE PROPERTY.
SO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS MOVE US FROM A LARGE RECTANGLE TO
A MORE LINEAR BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED THIS
REZONING.
AS MR. MECHANIK STATED, THERE WOULD BE 292 UNITS AS OPPOSED
TO THE 546 UNITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY APPROVED.
THE PARKING STRUCTURE, THE LIGHTER COLOR HERE, THE EXISTING
STRUCTURE, THE PARKING STRUCTURE WOULD BE EXPANDED BY ONE
BAY, HALF OF WHAT'S APPROVED FOR THE EXPANSION, AND WOULD BE
EIGHT STORIES RATHER THAN THE 11 STORIES THAT'S CURRENTLY
APPROVED FOR THIS ENTIRE PARKING GARAGE EXPANSION.
THIS IS A LOOK AT IT WITH THE BUILDING IN PLACE THANKS TO
GRAPHICS AND THE VARIOUS THINGS WE CAN DO.
YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING IS LINEAR SHAPED.
IT'S POSITIVE CONNECTION TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING WILL THEN SCREEN THE SOUTH FACADE
OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE WHICH I BELIEVE IS VERY IMPORTANT
FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PARKING STRUCTURE ITSELF IS ONLY
WIDENED BY ONE BAY AS OPPOSED TO THE TWO BAYS.
THIS IS A LOOK AT THE PROPOSED 292 UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT,
WITH THE LARGE AREA ACTUALLY SPANS UNDER THE BUILDING ALL
THE WAY INTO THIS.
THE PROJECT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE A VERY CLEAR
AND TRANSPARENT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE TODAY.
SO WE DEVELOPED THE SECOND MULTIFAMILY CONCEPT THAT IS QUINT
THE EXISTING PROPOSED ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS A RENDERING OF IT.
IT IS 450 UNITS.
IT STAYS WITHIN THE APPROVED BUILDING FOOTPRINT, THAT LARGE
RECTANGULAR FOOTPRINT.
YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE IS EXPANDED BY ONE BAY BUT EXPANDED
BY TWO BAYS AND THEN ITS HEIGHT IS 11 STORIES RATHER THAN 8.
THAT IS WHAT YOU SPECIFICALLY APPROVED IN THE ZONING FOR THE
PROPERTY.
THIS IS A LOOK FROM BAY CENTER.
YOU SEE THE BUILDING OVER HERE.
YOU SEE THE PARKING STRUCTURE OVER HERE WITH THE EXPANDED
NATURE AND FULL VISIBILITY.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO NOW AT THIS POINT IS SIMPLY PROVIDE
WITH YOU COMPARISONS SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS
HAPPENING TODAY.
THE PROPOSED LUXURY AS IT'S CALLED IS A LARGE UNIT PRODUCT
ON VERY UPSCALE, 292 UNITS.
THE APPROVED MARKET RATE AS WE ARE CALLING IT, APARTMENT,
WHICH IS WHAT'S SHOWN HERE TO THE RIGHT, IS 450 UNITS.
THAT'S 158 UNITS MORE THAN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IN THIS
REZONED.
THE SIZE OF THE UNITS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT.
921 VERSUS 521.
BASICALLY THE UNITS ARE ABOUT 50 PERCENT OF THE SIZE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TYPE OF UNITS IN THE TWO BUILDINGS WITH
THE PROPOSED ZONING TODAY, THEY ARE 1 AND 2 BEDROOM UNITS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE BUILT UNDER THE CURRENT
APPROVED ZONING, THEY WOULD BE STUDIO AND 1 BEDROOM UNIT,
MORE AKIN TO WHAT IS BEING CALLED NOW MICROUNIT APARTMENT
COMPLEXES.
THE RENTS FOR THE PROPOSED PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE IN THE
ZONING TODAY ARE TWICE THAT OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE FOR THE
MARKET RATE, SO 50% LESS.
SAME NUMBER OF STORIES.
JUST A DIFFERENT BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS
FOR THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY AS OPPOSED TO THE APPROVED.
AND I DO HAVE A TYPO.
IT SHOULD BE 34% MORE TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING.
32% MORE TRAFFIC IN THE AFTERNOON.
WITH THE APPROVED MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY CONCEPT.
CORRIDORS AIR CONDITIONED AS OPPOSED TO OPEN AIR JUST IN THE
QUALITY OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.
WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING THEY WOULD BE PROFESSIONAL AND
EMPTY NESTERS, WITH THE WHAT PROVED MARKET RATE IT WOULD BE
JUST THAT, TYPICAL MARKET RATE, TYPICAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES
YOU SEE THROUGHOUT TAMPA.
AS I SAID BEFORE THE GARAGE LEVELS, WE HAVE 8 LEVELS,
EXPANSION FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING, FOR THE APPROVED
REZONING IT WOULD REQUIRE ALL ELEVEN OF THE CURRENTLY
APPROVED PARKING STRUCTURE LEVELS, THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE
MUCH THREE.
UNDER THE PROPOSED REZONING, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE GARAGE
EXPANSION WOULD BE HALF THAT, THAT IT IS WITH THE MARKET
RATE, SO MUCH LOWER PARKING REQUIRE, 11 STORIES VERSUS THE
8, ONE BAY VERSUS THE TWO BAYS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE
EARLIER, NO SCREENING OF THE GARAGE UNDER THE MARKET RATE
CONCEPT.
OF COURSE UNDER WHAT'S PROPOSED TODAY, IT WOULD BE SCREENED
EFFECTIVELY.
WESTSHORE OVERLAY WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THIS BUILDING WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE WESTSHORE
OVERLAY FOR THE PROPOSED REZONE.
THE MARKET RATE DOES NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE WESTSHORE
OVERLAY, AND IT WOULD NOT COMPLY WITH THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY.
NUMBER OF A MEN ADVERTISE UNDER THE LUXURY OR PROPOSED
REZONING UNDER THE MARKET RATE, HIGHLY UNLIKELY THOSE THINGS
WILL OCCUR.
BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS ARE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
SO WE SIMPLY WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A
SITUATION WHERE MULTIFAMILY WILL NOT OR CANNOT BE BUILT ON
THE PROPERTY.
IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT MULTIFAMILY WILL BE BUILT ON THE
PROPERTY.
AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU.
I AM GLAD TO BE ANXIOUS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
03:10:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
03:10:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
MR. COEN, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I THINK SOME OF THESE CAME UP THE LAST TIME BUT IT'S BEEN A
COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO THE PROJECT THAT YOU SPOKE TO, OR THAT MR. MECHANIK SPOKE
TO IS 546 UNITS, ADDITIONAL UNITS.
I'M SORRY?
03:11:07 >>RANDY COEN:
COEN JUST SAID, YES, SIR.
03:11:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
THAT WAS APPROVED BY A PRIOR COUNCIL IN WHAT YEAR?
03:11:15 >>RANDY COEN:
2018.
03:11:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
AND SO YOUR PREMISE, YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT UNDER THAT PD,
ALL YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO TODAY, IF YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD
OVER THAT PD WITH 546 UNITS, IS GO DOWN AND START PULLING
PERMITS, RIGHT?
03:11:38 >>RANDY COEN:
THAT'S CORRECT.
WE EVEN WENT TO THE EXTENT OF DEVELOPING A CONCEPT TO
DETERMINE WHETHER WE COULD PHYSICALLY GET 546 DWELLING UNITS
ON THE PROPERTY.
IT LOOTS LIKE THE MAXIMUM THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE BUILT ON THE
PROPERTY ARE 450 UNITS.
AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH WHAT'S
GOING ON HERE, AND THE FACT THAT WHILE 556 UNITS ARE
APPROVED, THE LIKELY MAXIMUM WILL BE 450 UNITS IN THIS
PARTICULAR CASE.
03:12:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
450 UNITS WHICH IS STILL MORE THAN THE
292 THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
03:12:16 >>RANDY COEN:
YES, SIR.
03:12:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET'S TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BIG OF THE CONCERNS WE HEARD
FROM THE COMMUNITY DURING THE PRIOR HEARING.
HAVE YOU MODELED -- I KNOW IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT BASED UPON
THE TRAFFIC FLOW OF OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES INCLUDING
BOTH MARINERS BUILDINGS, HAVE YOU MODELED WHAT DIRECTION
THAT TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF YOUR NEW BUILDING, IF YOU
ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BUILD IT, WHAT DIRECTION IT'S GOING
TO GO?
IS IT GOING TO GO OUT HOOVER?
WHAT PERCENTAGE IS GOING TO GO OUT HOOVER TO KENNEDY AND 275
AS COMPARED TO GOING ZIGZAGGING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMING OUT AT AZEELE?
ARE YOU ABLE TO MODEL THAT?
03:13:11 >>RANDY COEN:
WE HAVE B 5% OF THE PROPERTY IS LIKELY TO USE
AZEELE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO WITH RESTRICTIONS OR
DIRECTIONALITY, THAT SORT OF THING, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE
PROJECT, TRAFFIC WILL GO TO HOOVER AND THAT WOULD BE TRUE
FOR THIS CONCEPT OR THE MULTIFAMILY CONCEPT.
INTERESTINGLY HERE, SINCE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A
MULTIFAMILY CONCEPT THAT'S LITERALLY VIRTUALLY 50% LESS
TRAFFIC THAN WHAT THE OFFICE BUILDING, SECOND OFFICE
BUILDING THAT WOULD BE BUILT HERE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE VERY
LITTLE INCREASE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC AS
OPPOSED TO THE VERY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES THAT WE HAVE WITH
AN ADDITIONAL OFFICE BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT OFFICE BUILDING IS APPROVED FOR A LITTLE OVER
223,000 SQUARE FEET.
VERY SUBSTANTIAL BUILDING.
03:13:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND MY LAST QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN
REGARD TO THE WAIVERS, HAVE YOU ALREADY SUBMITTED A REVISED
SITE PLAN THAT ELIMINATES THE WAIVERS?
OR IS THAT WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE DOING BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READ IF YOU GET THAT FAR?
03:14:16 >>RANDY COEN:
THE MATTER OF THE PROCESS WE ARE IN WE WOULD
BE SUBMITTING TO YOU TODAY TO BE LISTED AS PART OF THE
REVISION BUT WE WILL MAKE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
WE ALSO ARE GOING TO PROFFER A CONDITION REGARDING NOT OVER
THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY BEING REMOVED BUT THE PROCESS BY WHICH
THE PROJECT WILL BE REVIEWED AND DETERMINED TO BE COMPLAINT
PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION PERMITS BEING ISSUED.
03:14:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND I LIED, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ONE OTHER QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED PUBLIC AMENITIES I.DIDN'T RECALL -- I DON'T
RECALL WHAT THEY WERE.
I AM NOT DOUBTING YOU, BUT WHAT WOULD THE PUBLIC AMENITIES
BEING PROPOSED TODAY?
03:14:54 >>RANDY COEN:
A SERIES OF PUBLIC AMENITIES WHICH ARE ON THE
PROPERTY WOULD BE LISTED ON THE REVISION SHEET.
THEY ARE BICYCLE STATION, WATER STATION, PET STATION, ALONG
THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE ALSO TALKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AGREED THAT
WE WOULD LIKE SOME ADDITIONAL ON-SITE AMENITIES, IF IT'S THE
PLEASURE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, TO
APPROVE THOSE, BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE RIGHT-OF-WAY ADJACENT
TO THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY CANNOT BE PART OF THE REZONING.
BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO PUT AMENITIES, AND PROVIDE
ONSITE IN ADDITION.
03:15:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MRS. WELLS REMIND US WE ARE NOT A CLOUD
TO INCLUDE THOSE IN OUR CONSIDERATION.
03:15:43 >>RANDY COEN:
I AM LEARNED THAT AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS.
03:15:52 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
AND THE FIRST CONDITION WHICH RANDY TALKED
ABOUT IS ON-SITE AND WE HAVE ALREADY SUPPLIED THAT TO RYAN,
SHOULD COUNCIL APPROVE THIS ON FIRST READING.
IT WOULD ADD THAT CONDITION, ALONG WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE
WAIVERS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND.
03:16:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. CITRO.
03:16:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST ADD BEING ONTO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
ABOUT THE AMENITIES, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION, IT'S A COMMENT.
WITH FIVE OF THE MAJOR AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURERS GOING
ELECTRIC IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS I THINK IT WOULD BE HOPEFUL
THAT MORE AND MORE DEVELOPMENTS ARE PUTTING IN CHARGING
STATIONS IN THEIR PARKING AREAS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
03:16:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
ANYTHING ELSE, MR. COEN?
03:16:47 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
LET ME WRAP UP OUR INITIAL PRESENTATION.
JUST TO RECAP WHAT RANDY SAID.
OUR PROPOSAL TODAY REDUCES THE NUMBER OF UNITS, REDUCES
TRAFFIC, AND REDUCES THE POPULATION OF THE PROJECT.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ITEMS THAT APPARENTLY ARE DESIRED BY
THE NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY ARE STILL OBJECTING TO THIS PROJECT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE THINK WE ARE DOING
WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ASKING TO BE DONE.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR INITIAL PRESENTATION.
03:17:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
HOW MANY DO WE HAVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
03:17:43 >> LAST I HEARD IT WAS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT THREE PEOPLE.
03:17:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL START WITH THEM.
03:17:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION JUST FOR THE
PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC AND PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, THIS IS A
CONTINUED FIRST READING PUBLIC HEARING, AND IT HAS BEEN
BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AT THE FIRST READING, FIRST ON FEBRUARY
11 OF 2021, THEN ON MARCH 18 OF 2021, AND LAST ON APRIL
1st OF 2021, AND HERE YOU ARE AGAIN STILL WITHIN YOUR
FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, COUNCIL, AND WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE REGISTERED, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF YOU HAVE SPOKEN
PREVIOUSLY AND HAVE OFFERED TESTIMONY PREVIOUSLY, THAT YOU
DO NOT REPEAT YOURSELF, PLEASE, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT
INFORMATION IS IN THE RECORD, AND ALSO THAT IF YOU HAVE
SPOKEN PREVIOUSLY, PLEASE DO LET US KNOW SO THAT COUNCIL IS
AWARE OF THAT.
AND FINALLY, THAT THE DEGREE THAT YOU CAN, TO LIMIT YOUR
SUBJECT AND YOUR EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, WHATEVER
YOUR POSITION IS, RELATIVE TO THE PURPOSE OF THE
CONTINUANCE, AND WHAT'S BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TODAY FOR ITS
CONSIDERATION.
AND I THANK THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR UNDERSTANDING AND THEIR
COOPERATION.
03:19:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE OUR FIRST PERSON.
IS ANYBODY DOWNSTAIRS TO SWEAR THEM IN?
03:19:29 >>THE CLERK:
I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN.
03:19:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
SHE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
03:19:32 >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
03:19:41 >> I DO.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL BUCHAMP, AN ATTORNEY.
MY PARTNER KATIE WAS HERE AT THE PRIOR HEARING VIRTUALLY AND
SPOKE TO CERTAIN POINTS. I WANT TO ADDRESS A FEW MORE
POINTS TO WRAP UP IN LIGHT OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION. I ALSO
WANTED TO TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT IF IT'S POSSIBLE OUTSIDE OF MY
TIME AND ADDRESS THAT MRS. BURKEY LAST TIME SHE PRESENTED
HER QUALIFICATIONS BUT THEY WERE THEN SUMMARILY DISMISSED BY
COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND I DIDN'T WANT HER TESTIMONY TO BE DISREGARDED FROM THE
STANDPOINT OF WHAT HER QUALIFICATIONS WERE AS A PLANNER AND
A BOARD CERTIFIED LAND COUNTY GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY, AND WANT
IT READ INTO THE RECORD FROM THAT RESPECT.
IN CONTEXT OF TODAY'S COMMENTS AND PRESENTATION, WE
APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE WAIVERS RELATED TO THE
WESTSHORE OVERLAY HAVE BEEN DROPPED, AND WE CERTAINLY URGE
THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT THOSE CONDITIONS BE MADE PART
OF THE APPROVAL VERY CLEARLY, AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
LOOP TO THOSE AND SPEAK TO THOSE.
THE MORE IMPORTANT PART I THINK TODAY COMES DOWN TO OUR
CONCERN, PREVIOUSLY STATED, AND SUMMARIZED DEALING WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THAT THE PROPOSAL OF THE APPLICANT
REALLY DOES FAIL TO PROPERLY ACCOUNT FOR AND ADDRESS
EVACUATION RATES AND SHELTER CAPACITY AS IT SITS TODAY
REQUEST THE SCOPE IN SIZE.
WE REALIZE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS SMALLER.
HOWEVER, ALSO IT'S A SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE BRINGING INTO A
VERY CONFINED AND LIMITED AREA ALL THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC
AND PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE WITH POOR QUALITY AND WHICH
TENDS TO FLOOD WHICH IS THE HISTORY HERE IN SOUTH TAMPA, AND
AROUND BEACH PARK.
WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT IS IN COMPATIBLE WITH THE
SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE BUT FOR THE
TWO BUILDINGS WHICH ARE CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS IT'S STILL
SHORTER THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED AND THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT
SHORTER THAN PROPOSED, EVERYTHING ELSE IS MUCH SMALLER,
LOWER RESIDENTIAL AND LOWER DENSITY IN THAT RESPECT.
AND THAT'S THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, PROTECTED AND PRESERVED
AND THE CONTEXT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IN YOUR
CONSIDERATION TODAY.
AND AGAIN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.
03:21:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:22:06 >>THE CLERK:
I NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
03:22:44 >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
03:22:45 >> MY NAME IS POLLY PERRY, A RESIDENT MUCH BEACH PARK.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS.
I REALIZE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED TO BUILD SOME
BUILDINGS.
I AM VERY CONCERNED AS A RESIDENT REGARDING THE DENSITY AND
THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I REALIZE THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS ADJACENT TO OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT STILL IS PART OF IT AND WILL
PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR RESOURCES.
IT INCREASE IT IS RISK FOR EMERGENCY EVACUATION BY ADDING
THESE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS, AND CARS OR VEHICLES.
WHILE THERE MIGHT BE 292 UNITS AS REQUESTED, A THOUSAND
PARKING SPOTS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE FILLED WITH CARS.
WE ALREADY HAVE INCREASED EVACUATION ISSUES, AND WE ARE IN A
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR
COMMUNITY OR OUR RESIDENTS TO BUILD SOMETHING OF THIS
MAGNITUDE.
ON OTHER ISSUES INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY,
DEVELOPMENT WOULD STRAIN OUR EXISTING NATURAL RESOURCES AND
ACTUALLY COULD DAMAGE SOME OF THE NATURAL HABITATS AS THE
WILDLIFE ALL THROUGHOUT BEACH PARK.
AND THE CONSTRUCTION, AND THE BUILDING ITSELF IS AN ONGOING
CONSTRUCTION COULD DAMAGE THE SURROUNDING AREA WHICH IS THE
HABITAT TO HERONS, WHITE IBIS, MANTLES, AND GRAY FERNELLS.
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SCHOOLS BEING OVERCROWD EVEN THOUGH
IT IS EMPTY NESTERS.
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING OUR ALREADY CROWDED SCHOOLS
BEING EVEN MORE CROWDED.
AND JUST OVERALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND AS A BEACH PARK IS A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT HAS BEEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE THERE AND BE
PART OF TAMPA.
BUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING ALLOWED AND CONTINUED, AND
THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PROJECT BUT I UNDERSTAND THE ONLY ONE
WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS TIME, JUST SEEMED TO BE NOT
ADDING TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, FOR OUR CITIZENS.
THANK YOU.
03:25:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ANY MORE SPEAKERS?
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL GO TO REGISTERED CALLS.
03:25:59 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE GEORGE, WHICH IS VISIBLE.
WE NEED DOMINIQUE COSTILLO.
TURN ON YOUR VIDEO.
AS WELL AS JANE STROHMEYER.
AND HUBBARD.
AND TIM McGAUGHEY.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE ENABLE YOUR VIDEO.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
THANK YOU.
MAKE SURE YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF.
03:26:52 >> GEORGE CHIANG?
03:27:01 >> THANK YOU YES.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
I PERSONALLY HAVE RENTED AT A LUXURY APARTMENT CALLED THE
SKY HAWK IN CHANNELSIDE JUST A FEW -- JUST A FEW MAILS FROM
HERE.
I RENTED FOR APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF YEARS BEFORE I
GOT OUT OF THAT AND BUY A HOUSE.
I WAS THINKING LUXURY, NO DOWN PAYMENT, SECURED ACCESS, IT
WAS A GREAT OPTION.
BUT AFTER LIVING THERE FOR SO LONG, AND PAYING CLOSE TO
$2400 A MONTH TO STAY IN THE PENTHOUSE THERE, I LEARNED THAT
RENTERS HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MIND-SET THAN
HOMEOWNERS.
AND MANY RENTERS, THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT DISTURBING
THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE MOSTLY TRANSIENT, AND THEY ARE
JUST COMING IN FOR MAYBE SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR AND THEN THEY
ARE GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO I WILL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE WAS PAYING $2400 A
MONTH LIVING IN A PENTHOUSE, A NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
THE -- JUST ACROSS FROM ME, SOMEONE ELSE MOVED IN, AND SHE
WAS ALSO PAYING $2400 A MONTH TO RENT THAT PENTHOUSE.
BUT SHE WAS ON DRUGS, AND THREW PARTIES ALL THE TIME, AND
THEY WERE JUST A COMPLETE NUISANCE.
THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK, 3 OR 4:00 IN THE MORNING.
THESE ARE THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE LUXURY
APARTMENT BUILDINGS ATTRACT.
ALSO, YOU WOULD SIMPLY NOT BELIEVE HOW MANY DRUG DEALERS
LIVE IN THESE LUXURY APARTMENTS.
I MET A HANDFUL MYSELF BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MEET YOUR
NEIGHBORS, YOU WANT TO MAKE FRIEND, AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED
TO HEAR THAT, THESE PEOPLE THAT I MADE FRIENDS WITH WERE
ACTUALLY DRUG DEALERS.
YOU CAN'T TELL, BUT THAT'S AN ELEMENT THAT THESE LUXURY
APARTMENTS BRING IN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND NOT ONLY JUST THE FEW THAT I MET PERSONALLY.
I HEARD THAT THERE WERE PROBABLY 20 OR 30 MORE, AT LEAST, IN
THE BUILDING DEALING DRUGS THAT I NEVER MET.
AND IT'S OBVIOUS IT WOULD INCREASE THE CRIME RATE, IT WOULD
INCREASE DRUGS COMING THROUGH THE AREA, AND IT WOULD
INCREASE THE USAGE OF DRUGS IN THAT AREA BY MAYBE THE
YOUNGER GENERATION.
ALSO, I HAVE BEEN AN ACTIVE REAL ESTATE BROKER IN THE STATE
OF FLORIDA FOR OVER 25 YEARS, AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION,
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THE SATURATION OF THIS AREA WITH
AN ADDITIONAL, WHAT, 300 APARTMENTS WOULD BENEFIT
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, WHICH BEACH PARK IS PRIMARILY AN AREA
FOR.
ALSO, WITH PETS, OVER 50% OF HOUSEHOLDS, THEY OWN PETS.
AND, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IS GOING TO HAVE
ABOUT 296 UNITS, 292 DWELLING UNITS, DIVIDE THAT BY TWO,
LET'S SAY 156 PETS.
[BELL SOUNDS]
IT'S REPORTED 40% --
03:30:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:30:54 >> ARE YOU CUTTING ME OFF?
03:30:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
YOU HAVE HAD YOUR TIME.
YOUR THREE MINUTES.
03:31:04 >> I DIDN'T NOTCH I HAD THREE MINUTES.
03:31:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
NEXT IS DOMINICK CASTELLANO.
03:31:12 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
I SPOKE PREVIOUSLY AT THE LAST MEETING IN APRIL AND I HAVE
COME ON AGAIN TO ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES.
I HAVE BEEN A NATIVE OF SOUTH TAMPA MY WHOLE LIFE.
I HAD TO GO DO MY TRAINING.
AND A COUPLE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
ONE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS NOTIFICATION.
NOTIFICATION.
NOBODY IN MY COMMUNITY, MARINERS STREET, IN THE MARINER TOWN
HOME TOWERS NOR BEACH PARK KNEW ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE
ITSELF WAS ORIGINALLY SLIGHTED TO BE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING
IN 2018 AND THEN THEY SOLD THE LAND TO DECREES TONIGHT
DEVELOP INTO MULTIFAMILY.
THE AREA IN QUESTION IS A BIG GREEN SPACE AREA.
NOW, IF WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN AS CITIZENS, I CAN TELL YOU WE
WOULD BE OUT THERE IN DROVES AND OPPOSING IT FROM THE FIRST
START.
WE DON'T NEED THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR AREA.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, I REPRESENT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON MY STREET
MARINER WERE NOT OPPOSED TO THEM DEVELOP THE RESIDENTIAL,
BUT THE SCOPE AND THE SIZE OF IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAN
THE AREA IN QUESTION.
THE TWO LARGE TOWERS ALREADY ARE CONDOMINIUMS, THEY ARE
NOWHERE NEAR THAT SIZE.
AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO
REVISIT THIS SITUATION AND SPEAK TO THE DEVELOPER AND TRY TO
COME TO AN AGREEMENT, NOT WITH WHO ARE GOING TO BE MOSTLY
IMPACTED BY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SIZE.
IT'S A HUGE BUILDING NOT TO MENTION LOSING GREEN SPACE.
AND THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT I
WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU FIND OUT HOW VACANT IT IS.
THERE ARE BARELY ANY TENANTS IN THERE.
WHY NOT LOOK INTO POSSIBLY RENOVATING THAT BUILDING INTO
MULTIFAMILY VERSUS KEEPING A BUILDING THAT IS NOT OCCUPIED
FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT VERSUS AN ENTIRELY NEW
RESIDENTIAL TOWER.
I GET THE FINANCIAL TERMS ARE IN, IN REGARDS TO LOW INTEREST
RATE AND ABILITY TO FINANCE THESE KIND OF DEALS BUT IT'S NOT
RIGHT FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD ALSO STRONGLY RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL RECONVENE
AND HAVE A MEETING AND MAKE US THE FIRST ITEM.
I HAVE BEEN OPERATING DUAL PROCEDURES, TRYING TO SEE
PATIENTS, HANGING ON TO GET IN ON THIS MEETING, AND IT'S
CONSTANTLY BEING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
HAVE A MEETING IN THE MORNING WHERE THE CITIZENS OR
HOMEOWNERS LIKE MYSELF CAN SCHEDULE TO BE THERE AND THEN IT
GOES ON THE AGENDA FIRST AND WE CAN VOICE OUR OPINION.
I THINK YOU WILL FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF ARE NOT
FOR THIS.
IT JUST NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE ARE -- IT'S
BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AND IT WASN'T.
THE SECOND PARTLY I WANT TO BRING UP IS WHAT'S RIGHT FOR
SOUTH TAMPA?
WE HAVE SEEN ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON SOUTH OF GANDY
ON WESTSHORE, AND YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY, AND YOU ALL
KNOW ABOUT IT-- AND THEY ARE UP IN ARMS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
ON.
THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR US.
SOUTH TAMPA IS DEVELOPING TOO QUICK.
YOU HAVE 1500 UNITS GOING INTO WESTSHORE MALL.
HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL?
NO.
YOU HAVE GEORGETOWN APARTMENTS THAT'S BEEN TORN DOWN, A HUGE
PARCEL OF LAND BETWEEN KENNEDY.
THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED.
WHY ARE WE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WHEN WE HAVE TWO
OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY APPROVED TO DO THIS?
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SOMETIMES, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO STEP BACK, LISTEN TO THE
CITIZENS, AND TAKE A PAUSE.
WE NEED TO THINK THIS THROUGH.
COMMISSIONER DINGFELDER IS GOING TO MEET WITH US NEXT WEEK
IN OUR AREA.
I RESPECTFULLY INVITE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO SHOW UP
ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
WE THE CITIZENS HAVE NO IDEA THIS IS GOING TO BE PUT FORTH.
AND WE ARE JUST NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT IS OCCURRING SOUTH OF
GANDY, OCCURRING TO US NOW.
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
AND IT'S NOT THE RIGHT FOOTPRINT.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DRIVE DOWN THERE AND LOOK AT
WHAT'S THERE.
THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THERE ARE MAINLY TWO STORIES.
AND THEY WANT TO PUT HUGE CONDOS IN?
IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.
IT'S JUST WRONG.
AND I REALLY THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER
MEETING, HAVE US SEE THE FIRST AGENDA AND I THINK YOU WILL
SEE MANY MORE CITIZENS LIKE MYSELF SHOW UP.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BE UNREASONABLE.
WE UNDERSTAND TAMPA HAS TO GROW.
[BELL SOUNDS]
03:35:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:35:21 >> SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO TAKE A PAUSE AND ASSESS THINGS.
03:35:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT JEAN STROHMEYER.
03:35:28 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
03:35:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN HEAR YOU.
03:35:35 >> I'M JEAN STROHMEYER.
AND THAT'S KIND OF ALL WE WANTED, AS DOMINICK SAID, IS A
PAUSE.
WE HAVE BEEN YOU WANTING A PAUSE FOR NOW GOING ON 20 MONTHS,
I BELIEVE.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
YOU CAN'T MAKE SENSE OUT OF NONSENSE.
WE ALL KNOW THAT.
BUT THEY JUST KEEP TRYING AND TRYING.
AND I DID SPEAK AT THE LAST ONE, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE
CORRECT ONE, AND THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR ENTIRE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT CHANGES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHAT'S AGAIN B AGAIN ON.
IT JUST CHANGES WHO WE ARE, OUR IDENTITY, OUR VERY ESSENCE
OF WHO WE ARE.
THEY KEEP WANTING MAKE ROW APARTMENTS AND STUDIO APARTMENTS.
NOBODY BUT YOUNG KIDS ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THOSE FOR THE
MOST PART.
I HAD A STUDIO APARTMENT WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD AND I MOVED
OUT AND I HAVE NEVER MOVED INTO ONE AGAIN.
I LIVE IN MY HOME, AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A HOME FOR YOUR
CHILDREN AND FAMILIES TO COME AND VISIT.
THE LAST MEETING, I RECALL A PARTICULAR PERSON, MR. COEN,
MADE SOME SENSITIVE REMARKS TO OUR CITY COUNCILMEN, IT
OFFENDED THEM AND US, TOO.
WE DID HEAR YOU APOLOGIZE BUT WE CITIZENS HEARD IT AND IT
WAS INSENSITIVE FOR YOU TO SPEAK LIKE THAT IN OUR CHAMBERS.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
03:36:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
MADAM CLERK, WHAT ARE THE NEXT THREE?
03:37:06 >>THE CLERK:
I HAVEN'T BEEN SWORN IN.
03:37:14 >>THE CLERK:
I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE AND HUBBARD, IF YOU
ARE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE TO BE ON A DEVICE THAT YOU HAVE
TO ENABLE YOUR VIDEO.
CURRENTLY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE NOT ON A DEVICE WHERE YOU
CAN ENABLE YOUR VIDEO.
JENNIFER SPARKS, IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE UNABLE
YOUR VIDEO ALONG WITH TRAVIS SICKLES.
IN THE MEANTIME I WILL SWEAR IN THE TWO THAT WE HAVE.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
MR. JOHN MUELLER, THANK YOU.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO
GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
03:37:58 >> YES.
03:38:01 >>THE CLERK:
ALL RIGHT.
03:38:02 >> IT JUST WENT AWAY.
OKAY.
WELL, WHILE WE ARE FIGURING THAT OUT, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE
IT HERE.
STILL NOT.
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I WILL REFER TO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN LOOK THEM UP IF I CAN'T SHARE.
MY NAME IS TIM McGAUGHEY, 211 SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE,
PRESIDENT OF THE BEACH PARK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL OUR NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDES THE
PROPOSED PROJECT.
WHEN I LAST SPOKE TO BUT THIS PROJECT IN FEBRUARY I BROUGHT
UP A NUMBER OF ISSUES, MUNICIPAL CODE OF 27-136, AND I ALSO
DISCUSSED SOME DESIGN ISSUES THAT WEREN'T FRIENDLY TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE STILL TRUE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO USE MY LIMITED TIME TO REVISIT A
QUESTION THAT WAS POSITED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IN
FEBRUARY AND CARLSON IN APRIL.
BASICALLY I HEARD IT AGAIN TODAY, WHICH I WILL PARAPHRASE.
ISN'T THIS BETTER THAN 500 APARTMENTS THAT WAS ALREADY
APPROVED?
AND THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.
COUNCILMAN, THE PETITIONERS HAVE HELPED YOU CREATE A FALSE
EQUIVALENCE.
IT IS TRUE THAT THE COUNCIL IN 2018 APPROVED A REZONING.
THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS A PD TO A PD WITH THE ONLY USE
AS OFFICE PROFESSIONAL.
ALONG THE WAY, CITY STAFF MADE A SUGGESTION ALTERNATE USES
TO THE PROJECT, AND FRANKLY DIDN'T DO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANY
FAVORS IN THE PROCESS.
SO I WILL REFER YOU TO THE MEMO FROM ABBYE FEELEY DATED JULY
24, 2018.
AS A SMART COMPANY, AT NO CHARGE EXTRA, I WAS OF COURSE
CAPITALIZED ON THE OPPORTUNITY AND ADDED ADDITIONAL USE.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY FULLY INTENDED THE BUILDING TO BE AN
OFFICE BUILDING AND NOT APARTMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS EVEN REFLECTED ON YOUR CURRENT
STAFF REPORT WHERE IT SAYS THAT THE CURRENT REZONING IS FOR
TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS.
SO PETITIONER IS NOW PRESENTING AN APARTMENT BUILDING WITH
CRESCENT, AS PRESENTED CRESCENT CLEARLY INTENDS FOR THIS TO
BE AN APARTMENT BUILDING, BUT THIS APARTMENT BUILDING ALSO
HAS OTHER USES ATTACHED.
SO YOU ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO APPROVE AN APARTMENT BUILDING,
BUT ALSO AN OFFICE BUILDING OR PERHAPS A HOTEL.
AND THE REASON I STATE SO FIRMLY THAT THE ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS BETTER IS BECAUSE DECIDING
BETWEEN THESE TWO BUILDINGS WITH THOSE OVERLAPPING USES,
THIS REZONING ACTUALLY MAKES IT CLEAR THAT BOTH BUILDINGS
ARE OPTIONS FOR THIS SITE.
SO AGAIN I DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE 2 OF THE STAFF
REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 4, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE BEING
ASKED TO APPROVE BOTH OPTIONS TODAY WITH A MYRIAD OF USES.
THE CONTRACT BETWEEN WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2018 VERSUS THE
INTENT OF 2021 IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT.
THE APPLICANT HAS MADE CLEAR THAT WHAT IS APPROVED MATTERS
MUCH MORE THAN THE INTENTION.
SO YOU ARE ACTUALLY DECIDING WHETHER TO APPROVE ALL OF THE
POTENTIAL OUTCOMES.
THEREFORE, WE URGE THE COUNCIL VOTE TO DENY THIS PROJECT AND
ALSO ISSUES WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA WITHIN THE
CODE.
THANK YOU.
03:42:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
MR. MUELLER?
JOHN MUELLER: THANK YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
03:42:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
03:42:17 >> I'M GOING TO MODIFY MY REMARKS BECAUSE I DID SPEAK AT THE
APRIL COUNCIL'S MEETING.
ONE THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS IF THIS WERE AN APARTMENT
COMPLEX OR TO BECOME AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, DEALING WITH THE
TRAFFIC, I THINK EVERYONE IN BEACH PARK THAT NEEDS TO WORK
FOR A LIVING UNDERSTANDS THE TRAFFIC DILEMMA.
ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT HAS, WHAT HAPPENS
TO WEEKEND TRAFFIC?
PEOPLE GO TO WORK IN BEACH PARK OFTEN DO ALL THEIR CHORES
AND NECESSARY THINGS ON THE WEEKEND.
AND THEY WILL BE COMPETING FOR ROAD SPACE AND RESOURCES SUCH
AS PUBLIX DOWN THE STREET,
WITH THIS PROPOSED NEW APARTMENT BUILDING.
THEY WERE INTIMATING IF THEY WERE AN OFFICE BUILDING, THEY
WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME TRAFFIC DILEMMA.
HOWEVER, YOU WOULD BE COMPETING FOR RESOURCES, AND I JUST
WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
AND I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
03:43:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
MADAM CLERK, OUR NEXT THREE?
03:43:43 >>THE CLERK:
FOUR WE HAVE.
IF YOU ALL COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
TO BE SWORN IN.
PLAINTIFF WILSON, IF YOU ARE GOING TO TESTIFY, PLEASE RAISE
YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THANK YOU.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
03:44:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I FIRST SAW MR. LINDSAY STOURELLOS.
03:44:20 >> MY NAME IS DANTE.
LINDSAY IS MY WIFE AND SHE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME, COUNCIL.
I'M HERE TODAY AS A PARENT WHO LIVES IN BEACH PARK IN CLOSE
PROXIMITY, AND SEVERAL OTHERS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED THAT
WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
I HAVE THREE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF SIX, ONE OF THEM WITH
SPECIAL NEEDS.
IT IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE -- [INDISCERNIBLE]
THERE'S SOME FEEDBACK WITH SOMEBODY.
03:45:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MAYBE EVERYBODY ELSE CAN MUTE THEMSELVES
WHILE MR. STOURELLOS IS SPEAKING.
03:45:15 >> THANK YOU.
AND THE INCREASED TRAFFIC WOULD PROVIDE A SAFETY CONCERN FOR
US AND OTHER YOUNG FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND TO THAT END, HISTORY PROVIDES US WITH A GREAT DEAL OF
INFORMATION.
I'M A LOCAL ATTORNEY, HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 17 YEARS.
I LOOKED UP A UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT CASE THAT I WAS
AWARE OF REGARDING ISSUES SUCH AS THIS DEALING WITH
APARTMENT HOUSES BEING PUT IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, AND OUR
ATTORNEY FOR THE BEACH PARK LLC PUT THIS VERY ACCURATELY.
WE TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
HERE FOR OUR FAMILIES.
AND IN THE VILLAGE OF EUCLID VERSUS AMBER COMPANY, FROM
1926, THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT SAID THE FOLLOWING,
THAT OFTENTIMES APARTMENT HOUSES ARE A NEW PARASITE,
CONSTRUCTED IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPEN SPACES
AND -- SURROUNDINGS CREATED BY THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF
THE DISTRICT.
MORE OVER THE COMING OF ONE APARTMENT HOUSE IS FOLLOWED BY
OTHERS, INTERFERING BY THEIR HEIGHT, WITH THE FREE
CIRCULATION OF AIR, MONOPOLIZING THE RAYS OF THE SUN WHICH
OTHERWISE WOULD FALL UPON THE SMALLER HOME AND BRINGING
DISTURBING NOISES, INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, BUSINESS, OCCUPATION
BY MEANS OF MOVING PARKED AUTOMOBILES ON LARGE PORTIONS OF
THE STREET, PARKING COMPLEXES, DETRACTING FROM SAFETY AND
DEPRIVING THE CHILDREN OF THE PRIVILEGE OF QUIET OPEN SPACES
FOR PLAY ENJOYED BY OTHERS
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DESIRABLE OF A PLACE OF RESIDENCES
ARE UTTERLY DESTROYED.
UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, APARTMENT HOUSES, WHICH IN A
DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT WOULD NOT BE UNOBJECTIONABLE, AND
COULD BE DESIRABLE, COME VERY NEAR TO BEING A NUISANCE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
THIS PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX REGARD IT'S 292 UNITS, OR
150 UNITS, IS AN OBJECTIONABLE NUISANCE TO THE CHARACTER,
QUALITY OF A FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
03:47:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:47:35 >> CITY COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO --
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
03:47:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CAN'T HEAR YOU.
03:47:55 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
03:47:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
03:48:00 >> OKAY.
PARDON ME IF I DON'T KISS MR. COEN AND MR. MECHANIK FOR
BUILDING A SMALLER COMPLEX THAN THEY POSSIBLY COULD.
I WAFT JUST 2021 SPEAK BRIEFLY IN SUPPORT OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AGAINST THIS PROJECT FOR THE EXPANSION OF IT.
AS YOU ALL KNOW WE FEEL -- HOW WE FEEL ABOUT BUILDING
APARTMENTS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
IT HAS BECOME YOU CAN RIDICULOUS.
THIS IS THE WESTSHORE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR SO I AM KIND
OF CONFUSED BECAUSE THIS IS SOUTH TAMPA, AND SOUTH TAMPA --
BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
THE EXPERT CAN CONFIRM OR DENY THAT.
IN THE PREVIOUS PERMITTING WAS DONE WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF
BEACH PARK BECAUSE THIS AREA IN THE CITY WOULD NOT INCLUDE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SO THEY WEREN'T EXPECTED TO NOTIFY
ANYBODY.
WHILE NOTHING IS DESIRED BY THOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
SOMETHING WOULD BE PREFERRED TO THE PLYWOOD CALLUSES
PROPOSED.
WE AVOID HOMES BUILT OF WOOD.
WHY WOULD WE CONTINUE TO BUILD A MULTI-STORY APARTMENTS WITH
SUCH MATERIALS, ESPECIALLY IN THE CHHA?
THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE NO BRAINER TO DELINEATE BETWEEN
APARTMENTS AND CONDOS WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST THE NEW
DEVELOPMENTS.
THE APARTMENTS ONLY HAVE BLOCK TOWERS WITH ELEVATOR SHAFTS
AND THE REST IS PLYWOOD.
WHAT HAPPENS TO PLYWOOD IN FLORIDA?
THESE FOLKS WHO WANT TO THROW OUT THE FASTEST AND CHEAPEST
BUILDINGS, THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR CITY.
NO WORRIES ABOUT TERMITES OR HURRICANES HERE.
THEY'LL MAKE THEIR MONEY AND LEAVE.
FOR EXAMPLE, CASA BELL A WAS BUILT IN 2007 OF WOOD AND
SYSTEMATICALLY OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN TORN APART
AND REBUILT ONE SECTION AT A TIME.
ROTTEN WOOD EXPOSED IN EVERY SECTION OF THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU ACTUALLY STOP AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT
HAVE BEEN APPROVED SINCE THE 2016 COMP PLAN WAS PUT IN
PLACE, THE DETERIORATION ON THE OUTSIDE OF THESE BUILDINGS
IS VERY NOTICEABLE.
IF YOU ASK WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO BUILD TRASH WITHIN OUR
CITY?
WHY DO WE KEEP ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD ONE AND TWO BEDROOM
APARTMENTS RATHER THAN HOMES FOR FAMILIES?
WHY DOES THE CITY OVER AND OVER AGAIN GIVE THE DEVELOPERS
FREE RIDES, WHILE EXPECTING THE CITIZENS TO FILL IN THE GAP
FOR THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS.
WE HAVE NO PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES, TRANSPORTATION IMPACT
FEES, RAISED IN 30 YEARS, THE CHHA BUILDING GUIDELINES FALL
FAR BELOW THAT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES EXPECT.
IT'S TIME FORTUNATE CITY OF TAMPA TO STEP UP THEIR GAME AND
HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS FOR THESE BUILDERS.
03:50:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
SHAUN LUTTRELL.
03:50:56 >> CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY?
I'M A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER SO MY VOICE CRACKS.
I'M AT 5825 MARINER STREET.
I'M ALSO A PRACTICING ARCHITECT IN TAMPA.
WE HAVE AN ARCHITECTURE LICENSE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS
WELL AS TEXAS.
MY BACKGROUND STARTED OUT IN CONSTRUCTION, AND FROM THERE I
EVOLVED INTO ARCHITECTURE, AND GOT MY MASTER'S DEGREE FROM
ARCHITECTURE DESIGN IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
BEYOND THAT, I HAVE STUDIES IN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AT
CORNELL UNIVERSITY, AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE MY INPUT FROM A
PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT.
FIRST OF ALL WITH AN ARCHITECTURE I WAS BUILDING FROM AN
ARCHITECTURE STANDPOINT.
I CAN SAY THAT, I PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO IT AND THE
BUILDING ITSELF LOOKED VERY WELL DESIGNED.
MY CONCERN IS WITH THE PROJECT.
FROM MY STANDPOINT WE LOOKED AT THE CONDOS, THEY DON'T
BELONG ON OUR STREET.
THOSE ARE 757 OR 08 FEET TALL DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE
GETTING -- THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS 138 FEET.
SO THERE'S CONCERN OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT.
A BIGGER CONCERN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I THINK FOR EVERYBODY
IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS APPROVED,
IT'S GOING TO BE A SNOWBALL EFFECT FOR EVERY OTHER PARCEL IN
THAT OFFICE DISTRICT AREA THERE, WHERE THEY WILL ALL BE TORN
DOWN IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS AND CONVERTED OVER TO RENTAL
PRODUCTS.
SO WHETHER IT'S MARKET RATE OR HIGH END LUCKS.
03:52:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM PRETTY CONFIDENT, I GET QUERIED
WEEKLY FOR TAKING DOWN EXISTING OFFICES, AND CONVERTING
THOSE OR REDEVELOPING THOSE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
EVEN MICROUNITS, BUILDINGS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO WHAT
THEY HAVE OVER THERE.
WE ARE TALKING 350 TO 450 SQUARE FOOT UNITS.
WE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T DO
THEM WHEN IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND IN OUR CASES WE FEEL THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE, AND TO ME
PERSONALLY, ALL THOSE PARCELS WILL BE DEVELOPED AS
APARTMENTS.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, I THINK THE CITY DOES
NEED TO TAKE A PAUSE AND LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO
BE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
YOU GUYS ARE THERE, CITY COUNCIL IS THERE TO LOOK OUT FOR
THE RESIDENTS, THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE RESIDENTS.
THIS DEVELOPER HAS AN AGENDA, AND LET'S BE HONEST, HIS
AGENDA IS THE GREATEST RETURN ON HIS INVESTMENT.
FOR US WE WANT THE BEST COMMUNITY POSSIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR BEST INTEREST.
AND WE THINK FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, FOR ALL OF BEACH PARK AND
REALLY FOR ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA.
THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY SO I WILL LET YOU GUYS
CONTINUE ON.
03:53:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. MARK WOLFFSON.
03:53:57 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I WILL BE BRIEF.
OTHERS HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT KNOW A LOT MORE THAN I DO. I
HERE TO SAY THAT OBVIOUSLY ONCE THE DECISION IS MADE,
THAT FOREVER CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I AM A 29 YEAR
RESIDENT OF BEACH PARK AND A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
IT FOREVER CHANGED CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU CAN'T THINK ABOUT THAN -- COME TO CITY COUNCIL AS
INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS.
THERE'S A SERIES OF THESE THAT ARE PLANNED OVER THE NEXT
SEVERAL MONTHS, DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, DIFFERENT INTERESTS,
ET CETERA, BUT NONETHELESS, CONTINUING THIS MARCH TOWARD
BUILDING MULTIFAMILY TYPE OF PROJECTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND
CHANGING AS I SAID THE CHARACTER FOREVER.
AND I SEE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AS FIDUCIARY OF THE CITIZENS,
ET CETERA, NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF JUST THIS
ONE UNIT AND SOMEBODY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT LOOK AT OVERALL
WHAT THE IMPACT OF ALL THESE PROJECTS ON TRAFFIC.
WE TALK ABOUT POTHOLES.
I CAN'T THINK, MAYBE SOME SPANISH NAME, THERE'S A BIG SERIES
OF POTHOLES THAT'S GOING TO GET WORSE, TRAFFIC IS GOING TO
GET PUSHED ONTO AZEELE MORE AND CLEVELAND MORE, AND THEN YOU
WALK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PUT YOUR PHYSICAL SAFETY RISK
AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AS WELL AS IMPACTING THE SCHOOL
SYSTEMS.
YOU HAVE GOT MORE PEOPLE MEANS HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT
THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS? PEOPLE CAME TO BEACH PARK TO BE IN THE
SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT THEY ARE GOING TO BE?
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THESE
PROJECTS FROM THE LARGER PICTURE, NOT JUST FOCUS ON THE ONE
REQUESTED BEFORE YOU, ALTHOUGH THE DEVELOPER HAS THE RIGHT
TO MAKE THAT REQUEST.
YOU ALSO SOMEWHERE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO, OR NO BUT,
ET CETERA.
THANK YOU.
03:55:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHO IS NEXT?
03:56:03 >> CHAIR, WE HAVE AND HUBBARD AND TRAVIS SICKLES WHO ARE
HAVING TROUBLE ENABLING THEIR VIDEO, AND JENNIFER SPARKS HAS
YET TO ENTER HER VIDEO.
OTHER THAN THAT NOON ONE ELSE HAS LOGGED ONTO THAT MEETING
AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:56:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
03:56:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE GET INTO
REBUTTAL, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND MR. SHELBY,
THAT SEQUENCE.
03:56:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. DINGFELDER, IF YOU CAN, IF THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC
COMMENT, IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
03:56:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT, DEPUTY CLERK?
03:56:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD ASK CITY COUNCIL TO HEAR FROM MRS.
WELLS.
I BELIEVE SHE WANTS TO ADDRESS COUNCIL RELATIVE TO PUBLIC
COMMENT.
03:56:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THAT CORRECT, DEPUTY CLERK?
NO MORE?
03:57:01 >> CORRECT.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ENABLE YOUR VIDEO IN ORDER TO SPEAK.
03:57:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL MOVE ON TO MS. WELLS.
03:57:08 >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, CHIEF ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
I WANT TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE
MADE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE SPECULATIVE AND THUS WOULD NOT
CONSTITUTE COMPETENT EVIDENCE BUT BY NO MEANS AM I GOING
THROUGH EVERY COMMENT, BUT JUST BRIEFLY THERE, WAS
DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO THE TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL THAT OWNS A
CONDOMINIUM OR A HOME VERSUS THE TYPE MUCH PERSON THAT WOULD
RENT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR AN APARTMENT UNIT.
THAT FORM OF OWNERSHIP, WHETHER IT'S A FOR-SALE PRODUCT OR A
LEASE PRODUCT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL
REGULATES AS PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS, SO I JUST WANTED
TO IN ANY CASE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
THERE WAS SPECULATION ABOUT LUXURY APARTMENTS BEING USED BY
DRUG DEALERS, AND THAT DRUG USAGE WOULD INCREASE.
AND WHILE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE SPEAKER'S EXPERIENCE WHEN
HE LEASED A UNIT AT SKYHOUSE, TO SUGGEST THAT THAT SAME
EXPERIENCE WOULD TRANSLATE INTO TO THIS PROJECT IS AGAIN
SPECULATIVE AND NOT COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
ALSO, DISCUSSION ABOUT PET OWNERSHIP.
AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES INTO PLAY WHEN THIS CITY
COUNCIL CONSIDERS AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING TO A PD SITE
PLAN.
THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT CONSTRUCTION METHODS AND
MATERIALS.
AGAIN, NOT RELEVANT AT THIS POINT IN YOUR REVIEW.
THEN THERE WAS ALSO SPECULATION ABOUT THE FUTURE CONVERSION
OF OFFICE BUILDINGS TO MICROUNITS.
SPECULATIVE TESTIMONY DOES NOT CONSTITUTE COMPETENT,
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
SO JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD FOR YOU.
AND I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
03:59:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU HAD A QUESTION, SIR?
03:59:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DID.
THANK YOU, MRS. WELLS, FOR THOSE CLARIFICATIONS.
IS RYAN WITH US? THERE HE IS.
MR. MANASSE, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT THE STAFF
REPORT, AND I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE STAFF REPORT.
I THINK THIS IS THE CURRENT STAFF REPORT.
UNDER SUMMARY OF REQUESTS, AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT FIRST
PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS REZONED IN 2018,
FILE REZ 18-84, TO ALLOW FOR TWO SEVEN-STORY OFFICE TOWERS,
115 AND A 7-STORY PARKING GARAGE, BUILDING HEIGHT 106.
AND THEN YOU GO ON TO TALK ABOUT OTHER ISSUES.
THERE WAS AN ASSERTION DURING PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THAT'S ALL
THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, IS THE OFFICE TOWERS, NOT THE 540
UNITS OR 450 UNITS OF RESIDENTIAL THAT MR. COEN WAS SPEAKING
ABOUT EARLIER.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT NEEDS
CLARIFICATION FROM YOU AS BEST YOU CAN.
04:00:25 >>RYAN MANASSE:
THANK YOU, SIR.
YES, AND I AM SEE WHAT YOU ARE READING THERE.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ERROR ON THE STAFF REPORT.
BECAUSE I DO HAVE REZONING CERTIFIED SITE PLAN ON MY SCREEN
FOR A REQUEST REZONED THAT IS SIGNED BY COUNCIL ON 12-6-18
WAS FOR PD TO PD FOR OFFICE, PROFESSIONAL, MEDICAL OFFICE,
HOTEL, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND ALSO ON PAGE 1 OF THE
STAFF REPORT YOU WILL SEE IT DOES STATE OFFICE BUSINESS
PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL HOTEL AND RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.
04:00:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THEN THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION IS,
CAN YOU CONFIRM WHAT MR. COEN SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS
PRESENTATION, THAT CURRENTLY IT'S APPROVED, I THINK, FOR 546
UNITS MAXIMUM, AND I GUESS THEY ARE PROPOSING 450, OR THEY
ARE SAYING THAT 546 WASN'T REALLY REALISTIC UNDER THE
EXISTING PD FOR 450 UNITS MIGHT HAVE BEEN REALISTIC, AND NOW
THEY ARE SUGGESTING 292.
CAN YOU CONFIRM THOSE THREE NUMBERS?
04:01:34 >>RYAN MANASSE:
YES, SIR.
ON THE FIRST HEARING I DID CONFIRM THAT WHEN THE QUESTION
WAS RAISED ORIGINALLY.
SO IT'S ON THE PLAN THAT'S APPROVED FOR 1884, THEY COULD GET
UP TO THAT TOTAL 546 UNITS.
WHAT MR. COEN WAS EXPLAINING I THINK WAS THE FEASIBILITY AND
THE DESIGN AND HOW MUCH THEY CAN ACTUALLY FIT SO I CAN'T
REALLY COMMENT ON THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE REZONING 1884, I CAN SAY YES, THROUGH THAT
CONSISTENCY MATRIX AND THE ALLOTMENT THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED
THEY CAN GET THAT MANY DWELLINGS.
04:02:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
04:02:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:02:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS SAID IF WE
APPROVE THIS TODAY WE ARE APPROVING THE NEW ENTITLEMENT AND
THE OLD ENTITLEMENT FROM 2018.
IS THAT HOW YOU READ IT?
IS IT NOT A NEW PD COMPLETELY AND SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE
PLAN THAT'S PRESENTED? OR WOULD IT ALSO INCLUDE THE 2018?
04:02:32 >>RYAN MANASSE:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IT IS OPTION 1 AND 2 AND THAT'S WHAT WAS
SENT OVER ORIGINALLY.
SO IT IS TO RETAIN THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE FROM 18
AND THEN THE OPTION NUMBER 2 IS SHOWING THAT SEPARATE
VERSION THAT WAS PRESENTED BY MR. MECHANIK AND MR. COEN.
SO IT'S TWO OPTIONS.
04:02:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW OFTEN DOES THE CITY DO THAT, TWO
OPTIONS?
04:02:59 >>RYAN MANASSE:
THERE'S BEEN A FEW SINCE I HAVE BEEN DOING
REZONINGS, BUT WE ACTUALLY WANT-HAD ONE SECOND READING
TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RELEVANT.
I'M SORRY IF IT ISN'T, CATE.
BUT WE HAD ONE WITH THE DRI.
04:03:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME A NUMBER.
THANK YOU.
04:03:16 >>RYAN MANASSE:
ALL RIGHT.
04:03:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS REBUTTAL, MR.
SHELBY?
04:03:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES THERE.
F THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE PETITIONER.
OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
04:03:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE TURN IT BACK TO MR. MECHANIK.
04:03:38 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I THINK THEY TOOK OVER 45 MINUTES, AND I DO NOT NEED
ANYWHERE NEAR 45 MINUTES, BUT THERE IS A LOT TO COVER HERE.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE CHARGING STATIONS IN
THE GARAGE, A, AND THE PLAN WOULD BE TO ADD MORE CHARGING
STATIONS AS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURS ON THE PROPERTY.
THE BUILD BE WILL BE MADE OUT OF CONCRETE, NOT OUT OF WOOD.
I RESPECT MRS. WELLS COMMENT IT IS NOT A BASIS FOR REZONING
DECISION.
SIMILARLY, THE CHARACTERIZATION OF RENTERS AS BEING
CRIMINALS AND UNDESIRABLE, I GUESS, IS SORT OF PERVADE
ALMOST ALL THE COMMENTS AND EVEN BACK TO THE 1925 AND 1926
[INDISCERNIBLE] VERSUS KIMBLER REALTY WOULD NOT CONDONE THE
IDEA THAT YOU CAN PREVENT A HOUSING TYPE BECAUSE OF THE
CHARACTER OF THE RESIDENTS WHO WILL OCCUPY THAT HOUSING.
AND, MY GOODNESS, THE CITY IS -- ONE OF THE PRIORITIES OF
THE CITY IS TO IS CREATES MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU ACHIEVE THAT GOAL IF YOU DIDN'T ALLOW
FOR RENTAL PROPERTY?
THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THESE OBJECTIONS IS CLEARLY
INAPPROPRIATE, AND I THINK AND I HOPE COUNCIL WILL RECOGNIZE
THOSE COMMENTS FOR WHAT THEY ARE WORTH.
I WOULD NOTE, THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT HEIGHT OF THE
BUILDING, PROPOSED HEIGHT IS NINE STORIES.
WE ARE ADJACENT TO EIGHT-STORY CONDOMINIUM TOWERS.
YOUR STAFF FOUND THAT THE HEIGHT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE
TWO BUILDINGS AND WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS ALMOST AN IMPERCEPTIBLE DIFFERENCE OF THE HEIGHT
BETWEEN OUR PROPOSED BUILDING AND THOSE CONDOMINIUM TOWERS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC.
ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT, WE ARE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC
FROM WHAT IS CURRENTLY APPROVED ON THE PROPERTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO NOTE THAT THE ASSOCIATION WAS BACK IN
2018 WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE NOTICE THAT GOES TO
ASSOCIATIONS, MAILED OUT A NOTICE TO EVERY ASSOCIATION THAT
IS DIRECTED BY THE I ASK.
WE ALSO NOTIFIED EVERY PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 250 FEET WITH
THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T GET NOTICE IS TOTALLY
INAPPROPRIATE.
I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT REZONING AND WE HANDLED ALL OF THE
NOTICE, WHICH ALSO, BY THE WAY, INCLUDES A SIGN, TWO OR
THREE SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY, SO EVEN IF YOU HADN'T GOTTEN
THE MAILED NOTICE, YOU WOULD HAVE DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY IF
YOU LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD HAVE SEEN THE SIGN
ON THAT PROPERTY.
THE FIRST SPEAKER, THE ATTORNEY, SUGGESTED THAT I HAD
SOMEHOW ATTACKED THE CREDENTIALS OF HER PARTNER WHO SPOKE AT
AN EARLIER HEARING.
I DIDN'T ATTACK HER CREDENTIALS.
I ATTACKED THE ACCURACY OF HER STATEMENTS.
SHE SAID THAT THERE WAS A CAPACITY IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT,
INDICATING THAT THERE WAS ADEQUATE ACCESS.
SO I WAS REFUTING HER STATEMENT ACTUALLY, NOT HER
QUALIFICATIONS.
SIMILARLY, HE CLAIMED THAT WE FAILED TO MEET OUR BURDEN OF
PROOF IN REGARD TO THE REZONING SINCE WE HAVE NOT
DEMONSTRATED COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
I MADE THE REBUTTAL COMMENT THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO --
CONSTRUCTION PLANS DURING THE ZONING APPLICATION, BUT THE
IDEA OF OUR HAVING TO PROVE OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING
CODE IS INAPPROPRIATE AS PART OF A ZONING APPLICATION.
WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST ASK EITHER MY CLIENT OR MR. COEN IF
YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL REBUTTAL POINTS.
AND MY CLIENT DID ASK ME TO MENTION, WE ARE PROPOSING -- FOR
THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY.
04:09:35 >>RANDY COEN:
THIS IS RANDY COEN.
THOSE COMMENTS MADE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING WAS VIRTUALLY
EMPTY.
THAT OFFICE BUILDING IS 94% LEASE OCCUPIED.
HOWEVER, WITH COVID, WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH FOLKS NOT
NECESSARILY COMING TO THE OFFICE.
BUT THAT OFFICE BUILDING IS 94% LEASED AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU.
04:10:07 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU
MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU.
04:10:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. MECHANIK, WE ARE OFTEN PRESENTED WITH
SITUATION WHERE THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT SOMETHING, BUT
THEN COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO
APPROVE IT ANYWAY OR SOMETIMES WE HAVE DIFFICULT CHOICES.
SOMETIMES, AFTER WE REJECTED SOMETHING, A DEVELOPER GOES
BACK TO WHAT THEY ARE ALREADY ENTITLED TO DO, AND MANY TIMES
THE COMMUNITY IS EVEN MORE UPSET WITH THAT OPTION, IN FACT
THERE'S ONE NEAR MY HOUSE THAT THEY ARE UPSET ABOUT, AN
OPTION OF WHAT THEY WERE ENTITLED TO DO ALREADY THAT WE
DIDN'T REJECT.
AND SO THAT'S ALL LEADING TO -- THE DECISION WAS MADE IN
2018 THANKS WAS THE BIG DECISION ABOUT HOUSING IN THIS AREA.
AND MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, I KNOW SOME OF THEM,
AND I FEEL EMPATHY FOR THEM BECAUSE I WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD
LEADER, TOO, BUT THAT BIG DECISION WAS MADE IN 2018.
IF WE HAD TO LOOK AT THAT VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHAT
YOU ARE PROPOSING TODAY, IT DOES SEEM TO BE BETTER FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T WANT THAT EITHER.
BUT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO REJECT THAT.
BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS NOW, MAYBE I MISSED IT IN YOUR
PRESENTATION BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE APPROVING
TWO PROPOSALS.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOUR CLIENT WOULD ONLY BEEN ABLE TO
APPROVE THE ONE PD TODAY AND NOT REINFORCE THE 2018 ONE?
BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO NOT VOTE ON THE 2018 DECISION IF I
DON'T HAVE TO.
04:11:45 >> PINEWOOD, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY, AND -- THAT HAS NOT BEEN
PULLED -- HIGH WOOD IS NOT A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER.
IT IS AN OFFICE DEVELOPER.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN -- AND HIGHWOOD INVOLVES THE FACT
THAT IF THIS ZONING WERE TO APPROVE, CRESCENT QUO GO FORWARD
AND BUY THE PROPERTY AND BUILD THE 292 UNIT PLAN THAT WE ARE
PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY.
THE PROBLEM, THE LEGAL PROBLEM IN CONNECTION WITH A
TRANSACTION LIKE THIS, AND THIS IS VERY COMMON, IS THE THERE
WAS BETWEEN THE TIME THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED, ASSUMING
COUNCIL APPROVES IT, AND TAKE T TIME OF CLOSING WHERE
CRESCENT WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO CLOSE, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
MARKET CRASHED IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO DATES, AND CRESCENT
DIDN'T BUY THE PROPERTY, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT MIGHT BE,
HIGHWOOD DOES NOT WANT TO BE LEFT WITH ONLY THE ABILITY TO
BUILD A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING.
04:13:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. MECHANIK -- SORRY, IF I COULD JUST ASK
A FOLLOW-UP AND THEN I WILL LEAVE IT.
PARDON MY IGNORANCE TO ANY ATTORNEYS LISTENING.
BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO SET THAT CONTINGENCY IN THERE SO THAT
THE 2018 ONE DOESN'T GO IN PERPETUITY THAT WE WOULD JUST SAY
THAT IT'S CONTINGENT ON A DEAL OR CONTINGENT FOR A CERTAIN
OUNT OF TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, INSTEAD OF JUST
APPROVING BOTH GOING FORWARD?
04:13:57 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO MS.
WELLS, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT A CONDITION THAT
WOULD -- THE ZONING DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN 2001
PRIVATE PARTIES.
I JUST CAN'T CONCEIVE OF THAT BEING A LEGAL MECHANISM.
04:14:25 >>CATE WELLS:
THIS IS CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
AND I DO AGREE WITH MR. MECHANIK'S STATEMENT.
ALTERNATIVELY, WHEN COUNCIL LOOKS AT A REZONING YOU HAVE TO
MAKE A DETERMINATION BASED UPON THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD, IF THEY HAVE MET THEIR BURDEN OF
PROOF, WITH RESPECT TO THE CRITERIA IN THIS CASE I THINK WE
ARE SEEING SECTION 27-136 OF THE CODE.
BUT TO INCLUDE THAT KIND OF CONDITION UNDERMINES COUNCIL'S
FINDINGS ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT CRITERIA WAS MET.
04:14:57 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE WOULD
WE HAVE HEARD TO ALLOW TWO ZONING APPROVALS TO GO FORWARD
SIMULTANEOUSLY?
AND PARDON MY IGNORANCE.
THIS THE IS THE FIRST ONE THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE I HAVE BEEN
HERE.
04:15:09 >>CATE WELLS:
WE HAVE HAD AN FEW APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS
SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE.
AND THAT'S ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.
IN THE FACT, AS RYAN MENTIONED THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE DAN
APPROVED ON SECOND READING.
SO COUNCIL HAS DONE IT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE 2018 APPROVAL, THAT FINDING HAS ALREADY
BEEN MADE THAT WAS APPROVED.
SO YOU ARE NOT -- COUNCIL WOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT THE 2018
APPROVAL AND MAKING THAT FINDING ALL OVER AGAIN.
AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO OPTION NUMBER 2, WHAT'S BEING
PROPOSED IS A DENSITY THAT IS LESS THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED
BACK IN 2018.
SO ALL OF THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY MR. MECHANIK AND HIS
TEAM AS WELL AS THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY RYAN MANASSE, CITY
STAFF, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHEN JENNIFER MALONE, I
BELIEVE, SPOKE AT THE VERY FIRST HEARING IN FEBRUARY, THAT
BEING YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION BY MR. MECHANIK, THE EVIDENCE
INTRODUCED BY HIS TEAM IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.
04:16:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:16:22 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
I WANT TO ASK MR. MECHANIK, BECAUSE I WAS INTERESTED IN
THIS.
EUCLID CASE THAT WAS CITED.
I HAVE KEPT QUIET.
I WAS AMAZED BY SOME OF THE WORDS USED AND I AM A LITTLE
UPSET.
YOU SAID THAT WAS IN 1925 CASE IF YOU SAY?
04:16:44 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
1925 OR -- IT WAS THE FIRST ZONING CASE
WHERE THE COURT UPHELD THE RIGHT OF A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO
CREATE ZONING LAWS.
04:16:57 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THAT'S FINE.
AND I AM NOT SURPRISED SINCE 1925 BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT
WE WOULD HAVE A JUDGE TODAY OR IN THE LAST 10, 20, 30 YEARS,
CALL A DEPARTMENT PARASITES.
SO WHEN I HEAR THAT TERM PARASITES, THAT WAS CITED TO US
TODAY IN PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME ONE BIT
THAT IT'S FROM 1925.
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO TOUCH ON SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
TOUCHED ON.
TALKING ABOUT ARGUMENTS AGAINST THIS SAYING THAT IT'S GOING
TO INCREASE DRUG USERS, DRUG DEALS AND THAT APARTMENTS ARE
PARASITES DISTURBS ME.
THAT HAS NO BEARING WHATSOEVER ON THE ISSUES TODAY.
THAT SHOULD HAVE NO BEARING.
I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY AGREES ON THAT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS -- WE TALK ABOUT UNDESIRABLE.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNDESIRABLE IN A LAND USE CASE.
GO ON THE MERIT.
GO ON THE FACTS.
GO ON THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN RELY UPON LEGALLY.
BUT TO CALL INTO QUESTION THE CHARACTER OF THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE MOVE IN AND INFLUENCE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AWFUL AND
DISTURBING, DISTURBS THE HELL OUT OF ME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY OBJECTION THERE.
YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT APARTMENTS.
BOY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, PACKING THEM IN
LIKE SARDINES.
THAT'S FINE.
BUT TO TALK ABOUT THE PRESUMPTIVE AND EXPECTED AND
FORESEEABLE CHARACTER OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO APARTMENTS, IN
THE YEAR 2012nd 1, SHOULD DISTURB US ALL.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND ARGUE A LAND
USE CASE, DON'T MAKE THOSE KIND OF APPEALS, BECAUSE I DON'T
THINK -- IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WELL TAKEN.
I HAVE LIVED IN APARTMENTS.
I REMEMBER IN 2010 DUE TO PERSONAL FAMILY CIRCUMSTANCES, I
LIVED IN APARTMENTS FOR TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
I WAS A WELL-OFF ATTORNEY, HAD TO MOVE INTO AN APARTMENT.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO JUST REGISTER MY THOUGHTS IN THAT
REGARD.
NOT A SURPRISE AT ALL THAT THAT'S A CASE FROM 1925.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
04:18:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
I'LL TELL YOU, A LOT OF INTERESTING COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC
COMMENTS, VERY DISTURBED BY SOME OF THE WORDS THAT WERE USED
THAT REFERRED TO PEOPLE.
TALKED ALL DAY ABOUT HOUSING CRISIS, ALL DAY LONG.
AND I HEAR A BUNCH OF NIMBY SITUATIONS TODAY, NOT IN MY
BACKYARD.
NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
SO I WONDER IF IT WAS CONDOS, WOULD YOU BE SAYING THE SAME
THING?
IT'S JUST STRANGE.
THAT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES.
IT'S JUST A STRANGE THING.
WE NEED TO THE BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING BECAUSE I'M TIRED.
WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE REC RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:20:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. SHELBY WANTS TO HEAR
THESE COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE OR AFTER WE CLOSE.
04:20:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO ASK OF STAFF?
OKAY.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF DELIBERATION?
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING?
BECAUSE I GUESS MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO HAVE MR. MECHANIK
HAVE THE LAST WORD BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE HEARING, AND THEN
EITHER DISCUSS IT OR PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THEN DISCUSS
IT, HOWEVER COUNCIL WISHES TO PROCEED.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING, MR. MECHANIK, THAT HE WOULD WISH TO
ADD, I BELIEVE NOW WOULD BE THE TIME BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE
HEARING.
UNLESS YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD GENERATE DISCUSSION WHICH MAY
THEN CAUSE THE HEARING TO BE REOPENED.
EITHER WAY, COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER.
04:21:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET ME JUST SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
COUNCIL, WE HEAR CASES, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY CASES EVERY WEEK,
EVERY OTHER WEEK, 10, 15 CASES.
AND IT'S UP TO US TO FILTER OUT, AS MS. WELLS SAID, THE
IRRELEVANT THOUGHTS.
AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S LEGAL ADJUVANT AND WHAT'S NOT
RELEVANT.
MS. WELLS INSTRUCTS US IN THAT FOR THE RECORD WHICH IS
IMPORTANT.
SO I FILTERED OUT THE SILLY STUFF, YOU KNOW, DRUG USE, SOME
OF THAT OTHER NIMBY THINGS LIKE THAT.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO SAID IT, IT'S
NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
BUT WHAT IS REAL IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS TRAFFIC.
I THINK MR. MIRANDA USED TO REPRESENT THAT DISTRICT FOR MANY
YEARS.
MR. MANISCALCO REPRESENTS THAT DISTRICT.
MR. CARLSON SORT OF REPRESENTS THAT DISTRICT BECAUSE
EVERYBODY THINKS THAT WHEN YOU ARE THE SOUTH TAMPA
REPRESENTATIVE, EVERYBODY SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
AND I USED TO AS WELL.
MR. CITRO IS CITY-WIDE, SO HE REPRESENTS THAT DISTRICT.
SO WE ALL KNOW THAT TRAFFIC IS A BIG CONCERN IN THAT LITTLE
POCKET.
IT'S A STRANGE LITTLE POCKET.
OVER THERE AT THE CORNER OF WESTSHORE AND KENNEDY.
THAT IS A VERY REAL CONCERN.
SO ANOTHER COMMENT THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME DURING THIS
DELIBERATION, OR DURING THE DISCUSSION, WAS ONE OF THE
GENTLEMEN SAID, COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
WELL, I WOULD AGREE THAT IN VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE CASE WE
HEAR, WE HAVE A CHOICE.
BUT IN THIS CASE WHAT COMES TO MIND IS WE HAVE A HOBSON'S
CHOICE.
I JUST GOOGLED IT UP TO MAKE SURE I WAS USING THAT WORD
CORRECTLY, BUT IT'S A HOUSING CHOICE IS NO CHOICE AT ALL
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE ARE FACED WITH.
SADLY ENOUGH.
AND LET ME ADDRESS ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE
ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYBODY WHO HAS
BEEN SPEAKING.
IS THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE REZONINGS STANDS ON ITS
OWN MERITS.
AND WE ARE ADVISED BY THAT BY LEGAL COUNSEL WEEK IN AND WEEK
OUT, THAT THEY SAID, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST OF SEVERAL THAT
MIGHT BE COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
OKAY.
BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THESE CASES STANDS ON ITS OWN.
AND I AM VERY SAD TO SAY THAT I'M FACED WITH A HOBSON'S
CHOICE, THAT I HAVE NO CHOICE AT ALL BUT TO SUPPORT.
THIS AND I SAID IT AT THE VERY FIRST HEARING.
THEY WERE APPROVED IN 2018 FOR 546 UNITS.
AND THEIR FALLBACK POSITION IS DO GO BUILD THE 546 UNITS, OR
GENEROUS LIP REDUCE PERHAPS BY MR. COEN TO 450 UNITS.
WHY WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR COUNCIL TO REJECT A 290 UNIT
PROJECT, RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, WHICH IN EFFECT WOULD EITHER
FORCE THEM TO, A, SUE US, AND IN MY OPINION PROBABLY WIN,
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY WAIVERS, AND IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT TO WIN THESE NON-WAIVER CASES, WHY WOULD WE ASK
THEM TO DO THAT, TO GO FROM 450 UNITS, OR FROM 292 UNITS TO
BE 450 UNITS?
THAT'S ALMOST TWICE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
AND TO ME, THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.
THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.
I'M EXTREMELY FAMILIAR PERSONALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE MARINER
AREA WITH THE MARINER NEIGHBORHOOD.
I KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THE 2018 CITY COUNCIL, FOR WHATEVER
REASON, WHETHER OR NOT THE NOTICE WAS RIGHT OR WRONG, WE
CAN'T GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT.
THOSE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS AND THOSE ISSUES HAVE ALREADY
RUN SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO ALL WE CAN DO IS ASSUME THERE WAS PROPER NOTICE, AND
UNFORTUNATELY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
WASN'T ABLE TO TURN OUT BACK IN 2018, I'M SORRY, I WASN'T
HERE IN 2018.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE WAS, THIS LARGER PROJECT WAS APPROVED IN
2018.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THERE'S NOTHING -- I PRIDE MYSELF ON, NOW IN MY THIRD TERM,
SUPPORTING NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER
NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I CAN'T.
IN GOOD CONSCIENCE.
AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT.
04:26:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:26:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
I APPRECIATE IT ALONG WITH THE STATEMENTS THAT MR.
DINGFELDER MADE.
AND I USED TO SAY ALL THE TIME WHEN I WAS CHAIRPERSON, 50%
OF YOU WHO COME TO THOSE MEETINGS WILL LEAVE NOT TOO HAPPY
WITH THE DECISION.
THIS COUNCIL OR ANY COUNCIL MADE IN THE PAST.
IF YOU COME BACK AGAIN, THE OTHER ONES THAT WERE FOR IT WILL
BE AGAINST YOU.
SO THE SAME INDIVIDUALS COME BEFORE US, ALL OF THEM ARE
GOING TO BE AGAINST US.
AND YOU HAVE TO BASE YOUR DECISION ON WHAT YOU HEARD ON THIS
SIDE OR THIS SIDE TO THE LAWS THAT HAPPEN AT THE TIME THAT
YOU MAKE THE DECISION.
FOR INSTANCE, ONE SIDE SAID ABOUT CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
THE OTHER SIDE SAID THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION OF CONCRETE.
THE HEIGHT OF ONE STORY ON THE OTHER SIDE TO THE SOUTHERN
PART OF THIS AREA IS A 9-FOOT CONDO TOWER.
EXCUSE ME TWO, EIGHT-STORY CONDO TOWERS ON THIS SIDE, AND
ONE A 9-FOOT -- 9-STORY, I SHOULD SAY.
THEN YOU NOTICE ONE SIDE SAYS IMPROPER NOTICE.
THE OTHER SIZE ALL THE NOTICES WERE MADE TO EVERYONE THAT WE
HAD WITHIN 250 FEET INCLUDING THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
ANOTHER ONE SAYS THE SCHOOL ARE NOT ADEQUATELY ABLE TO
SUPPORT THE POPULATION.
THEN THERE'S LETTERS AND I THINK I READ THEM SAYING THAT
THEY HAVE ADEQUATE AVAILABILITY SPACE FOR WHAT'S COMING.
ANOTHER SAYS THE BUILDING CODES.
WE DON'T HANDLE BUILDING CODES.
THAT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT HANDLES THOSE BUILDING
CODES, NOT US.
AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.
SO THEY WERE ALL SWORN IN.
SO WHO IS TELLING WHAT, AT WHAT TIME?
ONE GOES BACK TO 1925.
THE OTHER SIDE GOES BACK NOT TO 19256789 SO IT'S NOT ABOUT
WHETHER YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT
OR NOT, NOT ABOUT WHO SERVES THAT DISTRICT. IN ESSENCE
THERE ARE FOUR INDIVIDUALS ON THIS COUNCIL THAT SERVE THAT
DISTRICT.
FOUR.
THERE'S ALSO FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT THIS COUNCIL THAT SERVES
EVERY DISTRICT, FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.
SO NO ONE IS ALONE.
EVERYONE HAS A VOTE.
EVERYONE HAS TO PASS THE JUDGMENT OF WHAT HE FEELS, I WAS
GOING TO SAY "HE AND SHE" BUT I LOOK AROUND AND THEY ARE ALL
HE'S, SO WHAT HE'S THINKING IS RIGHT ACCORDING TO THE LAW.
DOES IT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE BASICS OF THE LAW?
DOES IT MEET THE STANDARD?
DOES IT MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS?
AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE AND UNDERSTAND
THAT THAT'S THE SAME PUBLIC WHO ELECTED YOU TO OFFICE, BUT
THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS A RIGHT THING TO DO?
BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD, NOT WHAT YOU FEEL.
WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD.
AND YOU HAVE SOME RHETORIC THAT WAS, I THINK, SAID IN HASTE.
THAT'S WAY BELIEVE.
I HOPE I'M RIGHT.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU DISLIKE SOMETHING, YOU REALLY, REALLY GOT
INTO IT.
AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE HOME
OWNERS TO SAY, WELL, LOOK WHAT HE DID, LOOK WHAT HE DID,
AND, YOU KNOW, AND THIS BUSINESS THAT WE ARE IN, IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT.
NOTHING COMES EASY FOR BOTH SIDES.
FOR OR THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF.
AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH, AT LEAST
ONCE A MONTH.
LIKE MR. DINGFELDER SAID, 15 OR 20 CASES OR TWICE A MONTH
SOMETIMES THAT WE HAVE.
AND IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BE POPULAR OR UNPOPULAR.
WE BASE OUR DECISIONS ON ACCORDING TO THE LAW, AND ACCORDING
TO WHAT'S APPLICABLE.
DOES IT MEET THE CRITERIA OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED?
AND THERE'S WHERE WE ARE AT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION.
LIKE MOST OF THEM ARE.
THERE'S NO EASY ONES.
SO THESE WHAT WE TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR.
WE SAID, I DO, AT THE END.
IF NOT WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
SO THESE MY CLOSING STATEMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU.
04:30:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE.
MR. MANISCALCO MADE A MOTION, SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
WHO WOULD HAVE LIKE TO DO THE HONORS?
MR. VIERA.
04:31:03 >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 5426 BAY CENTER DRIVE, IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, MEDICAL, HOTEL, RESIDENTIAL,
MULTIFAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS
PROFESSIONAL, MEDICAL, HOTEL, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
I FIND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET ITS BURDEN OF PARAGRAPH
AND PROVIDED QUESTION SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND SHOWN ON THE
SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE
CITY CODE AND I FIND THAT THE -- THERE ARE NO WAIVERS A.
THERE YOU GO.
04:31:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA MADE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND?
ANY SECOND?
04:31:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL SECOND IT.
04:31:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON SECONDED IT.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR.
04:31:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN INQUIRE OF MR. MANASSE IS THERE
ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD IN ORDER
TO ENSURE THAT IT COMES BACK AS INTENDED AT SECOND READING?
04:32:11 >>RYAN MANASSE:
IN THE PREVIOUS CONTINUANCES THERE WERE
ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, THE WATER FOUNTAIN, THE BICYCLE
REPAIR STATION, THE FILLER STATION, THE TWO BICYCLE RACKS,
PET WASTE STATION, TO INCLUDE THE MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE
REQUIRED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE PowerPoint AS
PRESENTED ON THE FIRST READING, AS WELL AS THE MODIFICATIONS
THAT MR. MECHANIK AND MR. COEN STATED TODAY, WHICH IS
REMOVING THE WAIVERS AS RELATES TO THE PROPOSED REVISIONS
FROM THE LAST CONTINUANCE, REMOVING THOSE WAIVERS.
04:32:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THERE IS NO REVISION SHEET THEN
INVOLVED IN THIS MATTER.
04:32:51 >>RYAN MANASSE:
THERE IS A REVISION SHEET SUPPLIED IN THE
STAFF REPORT AS WELL AS THE PowerPoint PRESENTATION WITH
THE REVISED SITE DATA TABLE.
04:32:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THAT WOULD BE MODIFIED BY THE
REPRESENTATIONS MADE BY MR. MECHANIK?
04:33:03 >>RYAN MANASSE:
THAT'S CORRECT.
04:33:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, SIR.
04:33:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. VIERA HAS MOTIONED.
I BELIEVE MR. CARLSON SECONDED IT.
NO WAIVERS.
04:33:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:33:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:33:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
04:33:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:33:28 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:33:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SADLY, YES.
04:33:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SADLY, YES.
04:33:35 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JULY 15th,
2021 AT 9:30 A.M.
04:33:42 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I NEED TO LEAVE TO PICK
UP MY SON.
I WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL -- I HAVE 28 MOTIONS BUT WILL WAIT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
04:33:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO.
04:33:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GENERAL COMMENTS SINCE WE DISCUSSED THE
C.I.T. AND THE BUDGET AND ALL THAT IS COMING UP.
THE BUDGET SPECIFICALLY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON QUALITY OF LIFE AND PUBLIC
SAFETY ISSUES AND EVERYBODY SAID EVERYTHING.
COUNCILMAN VIERA TALKED ABOUT FIRE RESCUE AND THE LACK OF
SERVICES NEEDED.
WE TALKED ABOUT ROADS AND SIDEWALKS AND EVERYTHING.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SPECIFIC REQUESTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
WHEN THE TIME COMES DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING OR WHATEVER
YOU DO, KNOW THAT YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT.
WE ARE ALL OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY LISTENING TO WHAT
PEOPLE WANT, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE,
INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT ARE MUCH NEEDED, AND IF
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WINDFALL, SOME MONEY COMING IN
FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND WHATNOT, INVEST THAT WISELY.
IT'S NOT ABOUT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID IT, NEEDS AND
QUANTITIES.
WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THOSE NEEDS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU, SIR.
04:34:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, SIR.
04:34:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOLLOWING ON DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD
WAY EARLIER TODAY, MR. CHAIR, YOU SUGGESTED MAYBE I MAKE A
MOTION.
THIS IS REGARDING THE NONPROFITS THAT RELATED TO THE CITY SO
I WILL THROW THIS OUT TO SEE IF YOU ALL WILL ACCEPT IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO PROVIDE
AN THIS-PERSON REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 2nd
TO GIVE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ON THE
NONPROFITS THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEIR
PURPOSE, THEIR BOARD MEMBERS, THE PROCESS FOR POINTING BOARD
MEMBERS, THEIR PUBLIC NOTICE PROCESS, THEIR BUDGET, AND
ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET.
04:35:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. CARLSON.
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
04:35:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY, I MENTIONED THE EDC REGULARLY
AND YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS, I HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF
BEHIND THE SCENES CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.
YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE LOBBIED HEAVILY.
YOU ALL APPROVED THEIR BUDGET TWO YEARS AGO.
ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO.
IT'S COMING UP, I THINK, IN AUGUST.
SO YOU ARE GOING TO BE LOBBIED HEAVILY OVER THE NEXT FEW
MONTHS TO SUPPORT A RENEWAL OF THAT BUDGET.
THREE THINGS, A FEW THINGS REAL FAST TO MENTION JUST TO
START TO SET THE STAGE.
NUMBER ONE, WHEN WE MET ABOUT THEIR BUDGET A COUPLE YEARS
AGO YOU ASKED THEM TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY.
ONE OF THE THINGS WAS TO LIST THEIR BOARD MEMBERS ON THEIR
WEBSITE.
A FEW MONTHS LATER THEY REDID THEIR WEBSITE AND DID NOT LIST
THEIR BOARD MEMBERS UNTIL CAROLE POST CAME ON THE CITY AND
INSISTED THAT THEY DO IT SO THEY SHOWED THEY FLAGRANTLY DID
NOT WANT TO ADD TRANSPARENCY.
SECOND, IT'S WELL KNOWN IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT IT'S
AN INSIDER GROUP.
THE CITIES THAT SUCCESSFUL HAVE OPEN PROCESSES, AND WE SAW
THE PRESENTATION THAT THE CONEY'S GAVE ON ST. PETERSBURG,
OPEN PROCESSES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE BY EVERYBODY SHALL THE
ONES THAT SUCCEED.
IF YOU TALK TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY FOR EVERY ONE PERSON
THAT'S ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THERE ARE TWO OR THREE
VERY POWERFUL LEADERS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHO WANT A
DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.
THE STRUCTURE AND THIS PROCESS DOES NOT WORK.
THE EDC CAN CONTINUE BUT WHETHER K IS THE QUESTION IS
WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD PUT 500,000 AND THE COUNTY SHOULD
PUT 500,000 IN.
THEIR MODEL IS OLD SCHOOL.
YOU TALK ABOUT BRINGING BUSINESSES TO EAST TAMPA.
THAT'S THE MODEL FROM THE 1980s.
IT'S A GENTRIFICATION MODEL, A MODEL THAT ASSUMES THAT
PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY CANNOT
DEVELOP THEIR OWN BUSINESSES AND BUILD UP THEIR OWN
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE OUTSIDE HAS TO COME IN
AND BUILD SOME BIG BOX DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE KIND OF PROJECTS ARE COMING TO FLORIDA LIKE CRAZY.
I AM VERY INVOLVED IN THE STATE LEVEL.
EVERY ECONOMIC GROUP IN THE STATE IS BOMBARDED WITH
CONTACTS.
ENTERPRISE FLORIDA FEEDS THESE TO THE EDC.
THE EDC IN ST. PETE ARE KICKING TAMPA'S BUTT AND THEY WON DO
IT MORE IF THEY HAD ACCESS TO OFFICE BUILDINGS. THEY DON'T
HAVE ENOUGH OFFICE SPACE BECAUSE THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
PROCESS IS DIFFERENT.
OURS IS OLD SCHOOL STUCK IN THE 80s.
WE CAN'T KEEP FOCUSING ORPHAN HAVING A PROCESS THAT JUST
TAKES THESE LEADS THAT COME IN AND OFFERING THEM SUBSIDIZE,
AND HELP TO MOVE.
WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT LOOK AT ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
THE LAST THING I WILL SAY, YOU HAVE SEEN THE NUMBERS.
EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE NUMBERS.
TAMPA, THE EDC IS ALMOST 12 YEARS OLD.
TAMPA IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, I CAN GO BACK 12 YEARS IF YOU
WANT, BUT THE LAST TEN YEARS TAMPA COMPLETELY FAILED AT
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMPLETELY FAILED.
IT'S ON US NOW.
WE HAVE GIVEN TWO MORE YEARS TO SEE IF THE NUMBERS WILL
CHANGE AND THEY HAVEN'T.
IT'S ON US NOW TO CHANGE THE WAY WE LOOK AT ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
AND MY PROPOSAL, WHICH I HAVE TOLD THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, I
TOLD THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, IS WE NEED TO SET UP LIKE
PINELLAS COUNTY HAS, AND CHIEF BENNETT USED TO OVERSEE THIS,
WE NEED TO SET UP A CITY-COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF,
TAKE THAT MILLION DOLLARS, WE CAN STILL HAVE A MEMBERSHIP TO
THE EDC LIKE THE CITY OF ST. PETE DOES AND ST. PETE.
WE CAN STILL HAVE MEMBERSHIP AND THE EDC CAN DO THINGS TO
PARTNER WITH US.
BUT WE NEED A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO FOCUS ON REAL ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST PROCESSING THOSE OUTSIDE COMPANIES
THAT WANT SUBSIDIZE.
THANK YOU.
04:39:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAYBE YOU NEED TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT,
SIR.
04:39:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE BEEN HAVING LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS.
SO IF WE CAN HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE WE CAN RADICALLY CHANGE --
OTHERWISE IN TWO YEARS OR SIX YEARS WEE WE ARE ALL GOING TO
BE JUDGED AND OUR NUMBERS WILL NOMINATE BE GOOD STILL
BECAUSE WE AREN'T CHANGING THINGS.
04:39:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.
04:39:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
COUNCILMEN, CITIZENS OF TAMPA, FLORIDA IS FACED WITH A NEW
$1.1 BILLION BUDGET.
AND I JUST WANT TO READ OFF A FEW THINGS THAT REALLY UPSET
ME THAT WERE LEFT OFF THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR, THE STATE OF
FLORIDA BUDGET, FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
INTERNATIONAL PROSTHETIC EXPANSION.
FEEDING TAMPA BAY.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
SUMMER BRIDGE PROGRAM.
FLORIDA MUSIC EDUCATION.
ZOO TAMPA.
BUT HERE IS THE TWO THAT REALLY FRY ME.
$350,000 TO MAKE SCHOOL PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS SAFER.
$350,000 FOR LOIS AVENUE COMPLETE STREET PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE
SAFETY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M ALWAYS ASKING YOU TO DO THIS.
CALL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE.
CALL YOUR STATE SENATOR.
AND SAY THESE THINGS ARE REALLY NEEDED.
NOW FOR SOMETHING ON A LIGHTER NOTE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT THE 2021 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
FLORIDA MEN'S BASEBALL TEAM MEMBERS AND COACHES A
COMMENDATION RECOGNIZING THEIR AAC CHAMPIONSHIP VICTORY AND
THEIR SUCCESSFUL 2021 SEASON.
THIS COMMENDATION WILL BE PRESENTED OFF-SITE JUNE 8th AT
4 P.M.
GO BULLS!
04:41:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO MADE A MOTION.
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDS IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ALL OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYTHING ELSE?
04:41:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ALL FOR ME
TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:41:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER.
04:41:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. SHELBY PROVIDED ME WITH A COPY OF THE FORM FOR MY
CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS RELATED TO EARLIER ITEM TODAY, WHICH
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE RECEIVED AND FILED.
ITEM 53.
04:41:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
04:41:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
04:41:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
04:41:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S IT FOR TODAY.
THANK YOU.
04:41:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA SPARTANS WON THE REGIONAL IN PENSACOLA
AND I WILL NOT BE MAKING A COMMENDATION FOR THEM, JUST TO
WIN THE REGIONAL.
THEY WILL BE STARTING JUNE 5th AND GARY, INDIANA FOR
ANOTHER WORLD CHAMPION FOR DISTRICT DIVISION 2.
AND THE AMOUNT OF PLAYERS THAT DO BETTER, IT'S REALLY
UNBELIEVABLE I.2021 THANK THE WHOLE COACHING STAFF,
ESPECIALLY THE MANAGER, JOE HERSCHEL AND THE PITCHING AND
ASSISTANT MANAGER OF THE CLUB, SAMMY PATELLA.
THAT'S IT, SIR.
04:42:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT YOUNG
PEOPLE TODAY, ATHLETICS, BUT I DON'T RECALL IF THIS COUNCIL
RECOGNIZING ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY WON THEIR SIXTH HIGH SCHOOL ASSOCIATION FLAG FOOTBALL
CHAMPIONSHIP.
THEY WERE HERE LAST WEEK WITH THE MAYOR BUT THIS COUNCIL
NEEDS TO RECOGNIZE THEM.
MR -- I MAKE A MOTION RECOGNIZING THE KNIGHTS -- MR.
DINGFELDER AS WELL -- A COMMENDATION, AND WE WILL GET A BIG
FORTHCOMING.
04:43:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOTION AND SECOND.
DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
ALL IN FAVOR?
MOTION PASSES.
04:43:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ONE MORE.
EARLIER WE MADE A MOTION TO LOOK AT THOSE BANKING
INSTITUTIONS AND SO FORTH.
SO A DATE, JULY 29th AS A COMEBACK DATE ON THAT.
04:43:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ANY OBJECTION?
WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE MOTION.
04:43:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LAST ONE, WE JUST HAD MEMORIAL DAY.
I WAS ABLE TO BE THE GUEST SPEAKER FOR VFW 1040.
MR. COLLINS IS THE COMMANDER OVER THERE.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN PUTTING FLAGS AT THE REST HAVEN CEMETERY
FOR 16 YEARS NOW.
I WAS GLAD TO BE PART OF THAT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS OTHER CEMETERIES
DOING GREAT THINGS, SO TO GO OUT AND PARTICIPATE.
BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING GREAT WORKS ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN AS
WELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE SERGEANT COLLINS OF
THE VFW 1040 VIETNAM WAR VETERAN WHO SERVED OUR COUNTRY, 26
YEARS, HONORING VETERANS BY PLACING FLAGS ON THE GRAVES OF
FALLEN SOLDIERS ON MEMORIAL DAY.
THE PRESENTATION ON JUNE 17th.
04:44:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOTION AND SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS?
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
04:44:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
04:44:36 >> SO MOVED.
04:44:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE ADJOURNED, GENTLEMEN.
(MEETING ADJOURNED).
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