TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JUNE 24, 2021
9:00 A.M.
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09:02:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET US COME TO ORDER FOR THE WORKSHOP,
09:02:30 JUNE 24, 2021.
09:02:33 COUNCILMAN CITRO, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOR THIS
09:02:33 ONE.
09:02:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
09:02:37 AND AN INVOCATION AS WELL.
09:02:45 IMAN ISHARA ADEL JALEE.
09:02:46 HE'S A MUSLIM LEADER IN TAMPA.
09:02:50 A HUSBAND FOR 41 GREAT YEARS AND A FATHER OF FIVE
09:02:51 WONDERFUL CHILDREN.
09:02:56 HE PROVIDES LEADERSHIP CLASSES AND OTHER SERVICES AT
09:03:00 THE PMC WHICH IS THE MUSLIM CONNECTION.
09:03:08 PLEASE WELCOME IMAN ISHARA ADEL JALEE.
09:03:12 IMMAN, LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING
09:03:18 FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:03:22 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE CITY CLERK
09:03:25 INFORMS ME THAT THE IMAN IS NOT ONLINE PRESENT.
09:03:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
09:03:33 MAY WE START WITH THE PLEDGE THEN.
09:03:39 MOMENT OF SILENCE, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:03:43 [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
09:03:54 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:03:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:03:57 MR. CHAIR --
09:03:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
09:04:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SAVING TIME, I WILL RUN DOWNSTAIRS.
09:04:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL WHILE YOU ARE HERE.
09:04:08 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:04:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:04:13 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:04:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:04:17 >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
09:04:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
09:04:25 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:04:30 THE WORKSHOP IS WITH A LIVE PRESENT QUORUM INSIDE CITY
09:04:33 CHAMBERS DURING THE CONTINUED COVID-19 STATE OF
09:04:33 EMERGENCY.
09:04:37 IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS, MEMBERS OF
09:04:40 THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY BY
09:04:45 VIDEO TELECONFERENCING AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA
09:04:46 TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
09:04:50 THE WORKSHOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY RULES OF
09:04:58 PROCEDURES 20-225 AND AMENDED BY 2020-490 AND 2021-241.
09:05:00 THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE
09:05:03 ABLE TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM
09:05:08 640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15, AND ON THE WEB AT
09:05:14 WWW.TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM, ONE WORD.
09:05:17 THE PUBLIC HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND IN WRITTEN
09:05:22 COMMENTS BY INTERNET OR BY E-MAIL OR BY U.S. MAIL.
09:05:24 THEY ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK REMOTELY DURING
09:05:29 PUBLIC COMMENT THROUGH THE USE OF CMT.
09:05:32 AND THIS IS BY REREGISTERING AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY
09:05:36 TO PARTICIPATE USING THE CMT THAT IS AVAILABLE AT OLD
09:05:38 CITY HALL ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
09:05:41 THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT ARE INVITED
09:05:44 TO ATTEND THE SECOND FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL AND PLEASE
09:05:47 NOTE, THE USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE THE
09:05:49 BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED.
09:05:52 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:05:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
09:05:57 GO TO THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, MR. SHELBY.
09:05:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WISH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:06:02 TWO ITEMS THAT ARE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE.
09:06:08 ITEMS NUMBER TWO AND ITEMS THREE, BOTH TO AUGUST 26 OF
09:06:08 2021.
09:06:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVING TO CONTINUE, ITEMS 2 AND 3.
09:06:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED IT AND SECOND.
09:06:17 MOTION CARRIES.
09:06:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 11 THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN
09:06:23 VIERA MOVED UP FROM ITEM 11 TO BE THE SECOND ITEM AFTER
09:06:24 CEREMONIAL.
09:06:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
09:06:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:06:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION MOVED BY MR. MANISCALCO,
09:06:33 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
09:06:33 MOTION CARRIES.
09:06:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AFTER THE CEREMONIAL.
09:06:41 I ASKED MISS ZELMAN TO JOIN US VERY BRIEFLY TO TALK OF
09:06:44 THE STATE OF EMERGENCY AND GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER
09:06:46 SET TO END ON FRIDAY.
09:06:49 IT TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND APPRECIATE THAT.
09:06:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL GET THAT AFTER COMMENDATION
09:06:54 OF THE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
09:06:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOW ABOUT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE
09:06:58 WE GET TO THE REGULAR --
09:07:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:07:05 AFTER ITEM 1 AND ITEM 11. DO IT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:07:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
09:07:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
09:07:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE.
09:07:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:07:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:07:15 ANY OPPOSED?
09:07:16 MOTION CARRIES.
09:07:20 BEFORE WE GET STARTED RELATED TO THE CRB SIGNING OF THE
09:07:24 ORDINANCE WITH MYSELF AND THE MAYOR AND THE CRB.
09:07:30 PLEASE GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY IF YOU CAN ATTEND.
09:07:33 AS UNIFIED AS THIS BODY HAS BEEN TO CONTINUE TO STRIVE
09:07:36 TO HAVE UNITY AMONG THIS BOARD AND ALSO WITH THE
09:07:37 MAYOR'S OFFICE.
09:07:41 SO THANK YOU.
09:07:44 >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE KNOW -- MAYBE QUESTION LATER,
09:07:49 BUT THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT SHE WILL SIGN, IS
09:07:51 IT THE SAME.
09:07:51 NOTHING CHANGED?
09:07:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CHANGES.
09:07:59 >>BILL CARLSON: REPLACES -- WE WERE TOLD LAST WEEK IT
09:08:03 REPLACES THE OLD VERSION.
09:08:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S CORRECT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
09:08:08 >>BILL CARLSON: THE MAYOR WILL DO HER PART TO REPLACE
09:08:11 THE OLD EXECUTIVE ORDER WHICH HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
09:08:15 AND THE COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY AND THE PUBLIC'S.
09:08:16 THANK YOU.
09:08:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I READ AND
09:08:20 I DID NOT SIGN THE ORDER LAST WEEK.
09:08:24 I WAS WAITING FOR THE MAYOR BECAUSE I WANT US TO DO IT
09:08:26 JOINTLY TO SHOW THE COHESIVENESS WITH THE
09:08:28 ADMINISTRATION AND THIS BODY SO I DID NOT SIGN THE
09:08:31 ORDER LAST WEEK ON FRIDAY.
09:08:34 SO AT THIS POINT, EVERYTHING THAT WE ASKED FOR AND
09:08:35 VOTED ON.
09:08:39 IF YOU CAN ATTEND, 1:30, WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:08:40 THANK YOU.
09:08:43 ALL RIGHT, THE AGENDA HAS BEEN MOVED.
09:08:46 WE WILL GO TO CEREMONIALS, PRESENTATION.
09:08:47 POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
09:08:48 MR. CITRO, YOU ARE DOWNSTAIRS?
09:08:50 THERE HE IS.
09:08:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBERS, I THANK YOU
09:08:54 VERY, VERY MUCH.
09:09:01 AS ALWAYS, I ALWAYS START OFF THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH
09:09:05 BY SAYING THAT IF MORE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THESE
09:09:09 OFFICERS GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY DAY IN THEIR LINE OF
09:09:15 WORK, THEY WILL GO TO THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY FOR
09:09:17 THE CITY.TAMPA.
09:09:20 AND AS SOON AS IT STARTS BACK UP, I WILL LET EVERYBODY
09:09:23 KNOW THAT IT HAS STARTED AGAIN.
09:09:29 TODAY, WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING A
09:09:32 ACCOMMODATION FOR OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR DR. JAMES M.
09:09:36 DEMATO, GOOD ITALIAN OFFICER.
09:09:40 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH IN
09:09:40 2021.
09:09:43 YOU SEE HIS LOVELY FAMILY BEHIND ME.
09:09:45 HIS WIFE IS THE -- IS THE HERO OF THE FAMILY.
09:09:52 EVERY WIFE, EVERY SPOUSE, EVERY MOTHER AND FATHER OF
09:09:56 OFFICERS WATCH THE OFFICER GO OFF TO WORK AND PRAY
09:09:58 EVERY DAY IT THEY COME HOME.
09:10:04 SO THANK YOU FOR BEING THE TRUE HERO OF THE FAMILY.
09:10:07 CHIEF, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP AND EXPLAIN THE
09:10:09 CONDITION WHERE WHY THIS OFFICER IS OFFICER OF THE
09:10:12 MONTH?
09:10:13 >> MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:10:16 REUBEN DELGADO, THE ASSISTANT CHIEF.
09:10:18 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT
09:10:21 OFFICER DAMATO AS THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH AND THE
09:10:25 COMMUNITY PARTNERS HERE TO SUPPORT HIM AS WELL.
09:10:27 THE OFFICER HAS BEEN HERE SEVEN YEARS.
09:10:32 ALMOST SEVEN YEARS AND CURRENTLY WORKING IN DISTRICT 3.
09:10:36 SO HE QUICKLY IDENTIFIED AN AREA IN DISTRICT 3 WE WERE
09:10:39 HAVING NARCOTICS ACTIVITY.
09:10:41 SOME GUN COMPLAINTS, GUN CRIMES GOING ON AT A FOOD
09:10:43 STORE ON 40TH STREET.
09:10:47 BECAME KNOWN FOR NARCOTICS SALES.
09:10:49 GUN VIOLENCE AND A COUPLE OF SHOOTINGS IN THE AREA OF
09:10:50 THE FOOD STORE.
09:10:58 SO BASICALLY HE RECOGNIZED KNOWN VIOLENT OFFENDERS IN
09:10:58 THE AREA.
09:11:03 RECOGNIZED A NEED TO COMBAT VIOLENT CRIMES AND CREATED
09:11:04 AN OPERATION CALLED TAKE IT BACK.
09:11:09 AS A JOINT PLAN THAT INCLUDED NOT ONLY HIS SQUAD BUT
09:11:12 THE STREET ANTI-CRIME SQUADS, THE VIOLENT CRIME SQUADS,
09:11:14 AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP AND THE
09:11:16 COMMUNITY-ORIENTED POLICING SQUADS.
09:11:17 HE IDENTIFIED THE LOCATION.
09:11:21 HE ALERTED OFFICERS WHICH INDIVIDUALS WERE TRESPASSED
09:11:24 FROM THOSE LOCATIONS AND PROVIDED INSIGHT WHICH
09:11:26 CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR HE WAS WITNESSING DURING SURVEILLANCE
09:11:27 TIME.
09:11:32 AND HIS PATROL TIME INCLUDE WHAT CARS WERE POTENTIALLY
09:11:35 INVOLVED IN TELLING NARCOTICS IN AND AROUND THE STORE
09:11:38 AND WHICH SUSPECTS WERE KNOWN TO CARRY FIREARMS OF
09:11:40 DISCARDED FIREARMS IN THE AREA.
09:11:44 HE ALSO USED OUR STREET SMART SOFTWARE PROGRAM, A
09:11:47 PROGRAM WE USE TO COMMUNICATE AMONG SQUADS TO TRACK THE
09:11:51 PROGRESS OF THE PLAN THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION BOARD.
09:11:54 HE WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY 13 SUSPECTS THAT WERE
09:11:55 IDENTIFIED WITH CRIMES IN THAT AREA.
09:11:58 BOTH THE VIOLENT CRIME SQUADS REMAIN IN CONSTANT
09:12:02 CONTACT REMAINING THE LEADS THEY WERE DOING THAT LED TO
09:12:05 THE ARRESTS AND SEIZURES OF GUNS AND FIREARMS.
09:12:09 DUE TO HIS EFFORTS IN THE OPERATION TAKE IT BACK, EIGHT
09:12:12 FIREARMS WERE SEIZED, TWO OF WHICH WERE REPORTED STOLEN
09:12:16 AND THREE OFFENDERS ARRESTED FOR THOSE CRIMES.
09:12:18 NARCOTIC SEIZURES.
09:12:20 FOUR HAD ACTIVE WARRANTS AND ONE WAS CHARGED WITH
09:12:22 FLEEING TO ELUDE.
09:12:27 HIS RECOGNITION OF HIS LEADERSHIP AND THE VIOLENT CRIME
09:12:33 FIGHTING IN DISTRICT 3, ADMINISTER HAS BEEN SELECTED AS
09:12:35 TAMPA POLICE OFFICER'S OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
09:12:43 [APPLAUSE]
09:12:48 >> OFFICER DAMATO, WE HAVE OFFICERS -- EVERY OFFICER
09:12:50 SHOULD BE GETTING A OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
09:12:54 YOU WERE CHOSEN BY YOUR PEERS AND BY YOUR FELLOW
09:12:55 OFFICERS FOR THIS.
09:12:58 BECAUSE OF YOUR DEDICATION FOR SERVICE, COMMITMENT TO
09:13:04 EXCELLENCE AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE DUTY, THE
09:13:06 CALL OF DUTY.
09:13:09 CHOSEN AS A MARK OF DISTINCTION OF OFFICER OF THE MONTH
09:13:11 BY CITY COUNCIL.
09:13:14 YOUR PEERS, SUPERIORS WELCOME YOU FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING
09:13:18 WORK ETHIC AND DEDICATION OF KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY
09:13:18 SAFE.
09:13:21 WE COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR INITIATIVE AND LEADERSHIP IN
09:13:25 OPERATION TAKE BACK AND OTHER EFFORTS THAT HAVE MADE A
09:13:28 SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT IN REDUCING VIOLENT CRIME IN THE
09:13:29 CITY OF TAMPA.
09:13:35 OFFICER, IT IS THE HONOR OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO
09:13:40 PRESENT OFFICER JAMES DAMATO WITH THIS COMMENDATION THE
09:13:43 24TH DAY OF JUNE, 2021.
09:13:46 OFFICER, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
09:13:46 >> THANK YOU.
09:13:50 [APPLAUSE]
09:13:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS YOURS.
09:13:56 COUNCILMEMBER, WE ARE GOING TO GO NOW TO THE WONDERFUL
09:14:01 PEOPLE THAT COME AND PRESENT THEIR APPRECIATION TO THE
09:14:05 OFFICER OF THE MONTH, BUT WE WILL FIRST START OFF WITH
09:14:13 -- WITH THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION.
09:14:18 >> DARLA PORTMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE POLICE BENEVOLENT
09:14:19 ASSOCIATION.
09:14:21 JIMMY OWENS, THE VICE PRESIDENT.
09:14:22 GOOD MORNING.
09:14:23 WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU, JAMES.
09:14:27 YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, THE PBA IS PROUD OF YOU AND
09:14:29 THE UNION IS PROUD OF YOU.
09:14:31 WE LOVE OFFICERS THAT GO OUT THERE AND WORK HARD AND
09:14:33 REPRESENT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE MANNER THAT YOU
09:14:34 DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:14:35 SO CONGRATULATIONS.
09:14:38 AND THIS IS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, AND I WILL PUT IT
09:14:39 OVER THERE FOR YOU.
09:14:45 >> THANK YOU.
09:14:46 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:14:50 OFFICER, CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL-DONE, MIKE
09:14:54 MCARTHUR WITH STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
09:14:58 ON BEHALF OF TODD'S STEPP AND STEPP'S TOWING, A $50
09:15:03 BASS PRO GIFT CARD AND A NIGHT IN OUR COMPANY
09:15:03 LIMOUSINE.
09:15:06 PUT THE CHALLENGE OUT THERE AGAIN AND I HAVEN'T DONE IT
09:15:10 IN A WHILE TO SOMEONE PULL UP TO BASS PRO TO TAKE A
09:15:11 PICTURE IN THE LIMO.
09:15:14 I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE COOLEST THING EVER.
09:15:15 THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING DO YOU FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
09:15:16 JOB WELL-DONE.
09:15:18 ENJOY TIME OFF.
09:15:33 >> THANK YOU.
09:15:38 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, PETE BREVY, BUSCH GARDENS.
09:15:42 GOOD TO BE BACK, AND I ALWAYS SAY AN HONOR TO REPRESENT
09:15:45 BUSCH GARDENS AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO
09:15:48 HONOR THE MEN AND WOMEN OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EVERY MONTH.
09:15:52 OBVIOUSLY JIMMY -- I HAVE KNOWN JIMMY FOR A WHILE AND A
09:15:56 FREQUENT FLYER AT BUSCH GARDENS AND I -- I ALWAYS SAY
09:15:58 WE WILL GIVE TICKETS TO PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS COME TO BUSCH
09:16:03 GARDENS ANYWAY, JIMMY, ON BEHALF OF BUSCH GARDENS AND
09:16:05 PARK PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU TO DO OUR
09:16:09 COMMUNITY AS HIGHLIGHTED BY CHIEF DELGADO AND THANK YOU
09:16:12 FOR WHAT YOU DO ON A DAILY BASIS.
09:16:15 NOT ONLY A GREAT POLICE OFFICER, BUT A BETTER HUMAN
09:16:15 BEING.
09:16:26 THANK YOU, JIMMY.
09:16:29 >> LEAH BENNING WITH TAMPA THEATRE.
09:16:33 OFFICER ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE, I AM HONORED TO
09:16:35 GIVE YOU A GIFT OF A MEMBERSHIP TO THE THEATRE THAT
09:16:39 INCLUDES FREE TICKETS FOR MOVIES, FREE DISCOUNT ON
09:16:46 POPCORN AND CANDY FOR THE GIRLS AND APPRECIATE ALL THE
09:16:48 WORK YOU DO AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
09:16:49 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:16:50 >> THANK YOU.
09:16:57 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:16:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHERE DID IT GO?
09:17:00 IT WAS UP HERE.
09:17:03 COUNCILMAN, THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT
09:17:07 WISH THEY COULD HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY, FROM ZOO TAMPA,
09:17:10 THE CASPER CORPORATION AND THE STRAZ CENTER.
09:17:13 BUT I AM GOING TO HAVE MY GUEST SPEAKER, MR. STEVE
09:17:22 MICHELINI, PRESENT FOR THEM.
09:17:23 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:17:28 I AM VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE AND TO RECOGNIZE THIS FINE
09:17:29 OFFICER.
09:17:31 I THINK THE GIRLS NEED TO COME UP HERE SO THEY GET ON
09:17:33 THE CAMERA.
09:17:34 THOSE BLUE DRESSES ARE OUTSTANDING.
09:17:37 I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TWO OF THEM GOT BLUE
09:17:40 DRESSES AND ONE OF THEM DIDN'T, BUT THEY OUGHT TO COME
09:17:42 UP HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS A SUPPORT GROUP THAT IS
09:17:45 STANDING BEHIND THIS OFFICER EVERY DAY AND EVERY
09:17:47 EVENING WHEN THEY ARE OUT ON PATROL.
09:17:51 SO WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THEM AS WELL.
09:17:56 WE ARE -- ON BEHALF THE STRAZ CENTER ARE GOING TO
09:18:02 PROVIDE A GUEST PAST TO ENJOY FROZEN WHICH IS BROADWAY
09:18:03 HIT.
09:18:06 THE STRAZ SAYS IF YOU NEED MORE TICKETS WILL GIVE THEM
09:18:08 TO YOU FOR THE KIDS.
09:18:11 ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA, THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE WITH
09:18:15 YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY CAN ENJOY
09:18:15 ZOO.
09:18:20 AND ON BEHALF OF MCDONALD'S CORPORATION, CASPER'S, THEY
09:18:24 WILL PROVIDE WITH YOU GIFT CERTIFICATES SO YOU CAN
09:18:25 ENJOY YOURSELF THERE.
09:18:29 I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES -- PRESENTATIONS FOR
09:18:32 THE OFFICERS INCLUDING THE METROPOLITAN YMCA, WHO IS
09:18:36 PROVIDING A GUEST PASS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:18:41 THE CHICO RESTAURANT GROUP PROVIDING YOU WITH YOUR
09:18:43 CHOICE BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR DINNER AT THEIR
09:18:44 ESTABLISHMENTS.
09:18:53 ON BEHALF THE PRESTIGE PORTRAITS, KNOWN AS BYRN ALLEN
09:18:55 STUDIO, THEY WILL HAVE THEIR PORTRAITS, AND GIRLS HAVE
09:18:57 TO WEAR THE BLUE DRESSES.
09:19:02 THE YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, YOUR CHOICE OF LUNCH AND
09:19:03 DINNER.
09:19:05 AGAIN, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA IN PARTICULAR, AND
09:19:08 I KNOW WHAT -- WHAT A CHALLENGE IT IS TO WORK OUT
09:19:08 THERE.
09:19:11 SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK AND WHAT YOU HAVE
09:19:14 DONE OUT THERE TO HELP STRAIGHTEN THINGS OUT.
09:19:16 THANK YOU, AGAIN.
09:19:19 >> THANK YOU.
09:19:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:19:23 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STEVE.
09:19:26 OFFICER, BEFORE YOU INTRODUCE YOUR LOVELY FAMILY,
09:19:29 COUNCILMEMBERS, ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY?
09:19:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:19:33 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:19:38 NO, JUST OFFICER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
09:19:41 I AM GLAD THAT YOUR WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL FAMILY IS
09:19:41 THERE.
09:19:45 YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE A VERY BLESSED PERSON IN YOUR
09:19:48 LIFE AND YOUR SMILE REFLECTS THAT AND YOUR WIFE'S SMILE
09:19:51 REFLECTS THAT AND YOU HAVE JUST THREE BEAUTIFUL
09:19:53 DAUGHTERS, AND YOU ARE VERY, VERY BLESSED.
09:19:56 WE ARE ALSO BLESSED TO HAVE YOU, SIR, PROTECTING US.
09:20:00 YOU KNOW, A LOT OF -- I WAS YESTERDAY EVENING AT A
09:20:04 RETIREMENT PARTY FOR CORPORAL JEAN HAYNES, AND TALKING
09:20:06 TO A LOT OF POLICE OFFICERS THERE.
09:20:12 AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF -- OF -- OF DISMAL, I
09:20:15 GUESS, IF YOU WILL, FEELINGS AMONG MANY, MANY POLICE
09:20:18 OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS OVER THE LAST YEAR.
09:20:21 YOU ALL HAD A TREMENDOUS BURDEN OVER THE LAST YEAR, BUT
09:20:24 YOUR FAMILY HAD A TREMENDOUS BURDEN OVER THE LAST YEAR.
09:20:29 AND JUST KNOW THAT I GREATLY APPRECIATE TO THE BEST
09:20:32 THAT I CAN WHAT YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH, WHAT YOUR FAMILY
09:20:36 HAS GONE THROUGH, AND THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES AND
09:20:38 THAT THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY AND COMMUNITY DOES.
09:20:39 THAT MEANS EVERYBODY.
09:20:44 LIKE I ALWAYS SAY CUBS FANS, CARDINAL FANS, LEFT HAND,
09:20:47 RIGHT HANS, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS,
09:20:50 PEOPLE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO AND I APPRECIATE WHAT
09:20:51 YOU ALL DO.
09:20:53 I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.
09:20:56 WONDERFUL FAMILY, GOD BLESS YOU, GUYS.
09:20:57 THANK YOU.
09:20:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO.
09:21:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FOR YOUR
09:21:04 SERVICE AND CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:21:05 COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID IT ALL.
09:21:09 WE APPRECIATE YOUR SACRIFICE EACH AND EVERY DAY WHEN
09:21:11 YOU GO OUT IN UNIFORM AND YOUR SERVICE TO THIS
09:21:11 COMMUNITY.
09:21:13 THANK YOU, SIR.
09:21:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, RECOGNIZE THAT MR.
09:21:18 DINGFELDER HAS ARRIVED.
09:21:21 SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
09:21:25 >>CLERK: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER ARRIVED AT 9:21 A.M.
09:21:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, ANYTHING TO ADD?
09:21:33 >>BILL CARLSON: THANKS, AS MY COLLEAGUES JUST SAID,
09:21:35 FOR YOUR DECORATION.
09:21:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, THE OFFICER OF THE
09:21:40 MONTH.
09:21:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE SO MUCH
09:21:44 AND YOUR BEAUTIFUL FAMILY.
09:21:44 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:21:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:21:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OFFICER, WE ARE GRATEFUL.
09:21:52 WE ARE ALL GRATEFUL WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR JOB ON A
09:21:55 DAILY BASIS AND I LOOK AT YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR HAIR.
09:22:02 I REMEMBER I HAD THAT MUCH AND -- AND MY GIRLS ABOUT
09:22:02 THAT AGE.
09:22:05 ENJOY IT BECAUSE TIME FLIES AND HAIR FLIES.
09:22:05 LOOK AT ME.
09:22:06 I AM NOT DONE.
09:22:08 YOU SHOULD BE A ROLE MODEL.
09:22:11 BUT YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
09:22:12 BECAUSE OF THE WORK YOU DO.
09:22:15 PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE A LITTLE SAFER.
09:22:20 AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE, WORK AND
09:22:22 ABILITY TO HAVE THE CONTINUATION OF A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY
09:22:23 THAT YOU HAVE.
09:22:25 GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:22:26 >> THANK YOU.
09:22:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
09:22:29 OFFICER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
09:22:30 SEVEN YEARS.
09:22:35 JUST NOW GETTING THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
09:22:39 YOU ARE IN WHAT I CALL THE WORKING MAN'S DISTRICT.
09:22:41 I UNDERSTAND THE WORK YOU ARE DOING OVER THERE AND
09:22:45 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR BEAUTIFUL FAMILY AND
09:22:48 CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK FOR THE CITIZENS OF.
09:22:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OFFICER, STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE.
09:22:53 YOUR CHANCE TO INTRODUCE YOUR LOVELY FAMILY AND HAVE
09:22:55 ANY WORDS THAT YOU WANT.
09:22:57 >> THIS IS MY WIFE, NICOLE.
09:23:01 DAUGHTER KYA, DAUGHTER MADISON, AND LITTLE ONE IS
09:23:01 ABIGAIL.
09:23:03 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE HER DOWN THERE.
09:23:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GOT HER.
09:23:08 >> I JUST WANT TO THANK CITY COUNCIL AND THE POLICE
09:23:10 DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECOGNITION.
09:23:15 I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE PBA FOR BEING HERE AND THE
09:23:23 CITIZENS OF TAMPA FOR THE GIFTS REALLY APPRECIATE IT
09:23:26 AND THE SQUAD AND THE SQUAD OF ANOTHER CYCLE.
09:23:28 IF NOT FOR THEM, THIS WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE.
09:23:29 THANK YOU.
09:23:30 >> THANK YOU.
09:23:43 [APPLAUSE]
09:23:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, JUST FOR THE RECORD,
09:23:48 WE HAVE CONTINUED ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 3 ON THE AGENDA
09:23:48 THIS MORNING.
09:23:59 WE ARE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 11 TO THE NUMBER TWO SPOT.
09:24:30 MR. VIERA, WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, SIR.
09:24:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, WHENEVER YOU ARE READY,
09:24:33 SIR.
09:24:35 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:24:38 MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE MY FRIEND AND OUR FRIEND, MR.
09:24:42 JAMES KEENE, WHO IS THE DEVELOPMENT DIVISION DIRECTOR
09:24:44 FOR METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH.
09:24:47 I INVITED MR. KEENE AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF METRO
09:24:50 HEALTH HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF
09:24:50 REASONS.
09:24:54 NUMBER ONE, JUNE IS OBVIOUSLY LBGTQ+ PRIDE MONTH.
09:24:57 AND THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES SUCH TREMENDOUS
09:25:01 WORK IN THE LBGTQ+ COMMUNITY.
09:25:04 ALSO JUST GIVEN SOME OF THE RECENT CIVIC ISSUES WE HAVE
09:25:06 SEEN THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA PARTICULARLY WITH
09:25:09 TRANSGENDER YOUTH, SOMETHING SO PIVOTAL TO THE MISSION
09:25:11 OF OUR FRIENDS AT METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH.
09:25:15 I WANT JAMES TO COME AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE GREAT
09:25:17 WORK THAT THEY DO AND I WILL ACTUALLY BE MAKING A
09:25:20 MOTION AT THE END IN WAYS OF WHICH THE CITY OF TAMPA
09:25:23 CAN BETTER PARTNER WITH THE WONDERFUL MISSION OF METRO
09:25:25 INCLUSIVE HEALTH.
09:25:29 SO METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH BEGAN IN 1993, AND SINCE THIS
09:25:32 TIME, IT HAS PROVIDED ESSENTIAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS
09:25:37 SERVICES TO THE TAMPA BAY REGARDLESS OF RACE, GENDER,
09:25:41 SEXUAL ORIENTATION, SEXUAL IDENTITY, ETC.
09:25:45 WITH THE LBGTQ+ POPULATION WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH
09:25:46 CARE.
09:25:49 FROM HIV SERVICES, EMOTIONAL HEALTH AND COUNSELING AND
09:25:50 A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
09:25:54 AS SOME OF YOU ALL KNOW, THEY RECENTLY OUTGREW THEIR
09:25:58 YBOR CITY LOCATION WHICH SPEAKS TO THE REAL NEEDS IN
09:25:59 OUR COMMUNITY ON THIS ISSUE.
09:26:01 I WAS READING ON THE HISTORY OF THIS WONDERFUL
09:26:04 ORGANIZATION, AND IT APPEARS THEY BEGAN MEETING AT THE
09:26:05 LOCAL METROPOLITAN COMMUNITY CHURCH.
09:26:09 I BELIEVE IT WAS IN PINELLAS COUNTY, IF I AM CORRECT,
09:26:13 AND IT MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING SO PIVOTAL TO THEIR
09:26:15 MISSION OF THOSE WHO WENT TO SUNDAY SCHOOL OR WHATEVER
09:26:19 IT MIGHT BE, THE OLD PARABLE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ON
09:26:22 THE GOOD SHEPHERD SPEND DAY AND NIGHT -- HE WOULD HAVE
09:26:26 100 SHEEP AND LOST ONE SHEEP AND SPENT DAY AND NIGHT
09:26:30 LOOKING FOR THAT ONE SHEEP OUT OF 100 SHEEP.
09:26:34 THAT SPEAKS TO THE LEVEL OF COMPASSION THAT LOOKS TO
09:26:35 THE LEAST OF THESE.
09:26:38 AND FOR OUR LBGTQ+ YOUTH IN THE TAMPA AREA, WE NEED A
09:26:41 GOOD SHEPHERD TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR THOSE SOULS AND
09:26:42 HELP THEM OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
09:26:44 I INTRODUCE MR. KEENE.
09:26:48 I LEAVE IT TO YOU, SIR.
09:26:52 >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN AND COUNCIL CHAIR AND MEMBERS
09:26:52 OF COUNCIL.
09:26:55 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
09:26:57 IT IS MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING AND SHARE
09:27:00 WITH YOU AN UPDATE ON THE ORGANIZATION.
09:27:03 IN FRONT OF YOU THIS MORNING WE PLACED OUR 2020 ANNUAL
09:27:07 REPORT, AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BRING A COUPLE OF
09:27:08 HIGHLIGHTS TO THE FRONT.
09:27:10 THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC, WHICH WAS CHALLENGING
09:27:12 OBVIOUSLY FOR EVERYBODY.
09:27:17 AS A PUBLIC HEALTH ORGANIZATION, FIRST AND FOREMOST IS
09:27:19 PUBLIC HEALTH.
09:27:22 SO THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC IN 2020, WE WERE ABLE TO
09:27:26 ENROLL 2400 NEW PATIENTS INTO SERVICES AT METRO.
09:27:30 AND WITHIN THAT 2400, WHEN YOU DIG DOWN, IT IS ALMOST
09:27:34 900 INDIVIDUALS NEW TO US RECEIVING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
09:27:35 COUNSELING SERVICES.
09:27:40 AND ANOTHER 340 RECEIVING PSYCHIATRIC CARE THAT THEY
09:27:43 WEREN'T PREVIOUSLY RECEIVING.
09:27:45 WE HAD 820 PRIMARY CARE PATIENTS.
09:27:49 YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH HAS REALLY BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARY
09:27:50 THING TO WATCH.
09:27:52 I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE WITH THE
09:27:54 ORGANIZATION FOR SEVEN YEARS.
09:27:57 AND, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY -- KNOWING THAT WE REACHED
09:28:01 THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE DO AND PROVIDING OVER 100
09:28:05 SERVICES AND PROGRAMS TO PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF THEIR
09:28:06 ABILITY TO PAY.
09:28:09 WHETHER THEY HAVE INSURANCE OR DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, WE
09:28:11 DON'T TURN FOLKS AWAY.
09:28:14 ONE OF THE WAYS WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT -- AND IT IS A
09:28:15 REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
09:28:20 WE CALL IT A CO-PAY IT FORWARD PROGRAM.
09:28:24 WE ACCEPT MANY SERVICES AT HEALTH CENTERS.
09:28:27 WHEN YOU MAKE A CO-PAYMENT AT OUR FACILITIES THAT
09:28:30 TRANSLATES INTO FREE MEDICAL SERVICES FOR PEOPLE WHO
09:28:33 DON'T HAVE INSURANCE OR DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INSURANCE.
09:28:36 IN 2020, THOSE CO-PAYMENTS RECEIVED THROUGH OUR
09:28:41 FACILITIES TRANSLATED TO $485,000 IN FREE MEDICAL
09:28:43 SERVICES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO EXTEND TO MEMBERS OF OUR
09:28:44 COMMUNITIES.
09:28:48 ALTHOUGH WE ARE LBGTQ+ FOCUSED, WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT
09:28:49 EXCLUSIVE OF ANYBODY.
09:28:53 IT IS IN OUR NAME, METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH.
09:28:54 WE ARE HERE FOR EVERYBODY.
09:28:57 ONE OF THE IMPORTANT FACTS THAT I GOT TO SHARE WITH YOU
09:29:00 ALL TODAY AS WE LOOK FORWARD IN WHAT 2021 IS PRESENTING
09:29:01 US.
09:29:03 NOT ONLY IS IT THE OPPORTUNITY OF OUR EXPANDED
09:29:08 FOOTPRINT AT THE GERMAN-AMERICAN CLUB THAT WILL MORE
09:29:09 THAN DOUBLE OUR CAPACITY.
09:29:13 AS COUNCILMAN VIERA SPOKE OF, OUR CURRENT FACILITY ON
09:29:16 7TH AVENUE IS JUST OVER 13,000 SQUARE FEET.
09:29:19 WE HAVE OUTGROWN THAT AS AN UNDER STATEMENT.
09:29:23 OUR NEW FACILITY WILL BE OVER 30,000 SQUARE FEET,
09:29:26 STATE-OF-THE-ART MEDICAL AND COMMUNITY CENTER OPEN AND
09:29:28 AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY REGARDLESS OF STATUS.
09:29:31 REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU IDENTIFY, WHO YOU LOVE.
09:29:32 INSURANCE OR NOT.
09:29:34 WE ARE THE PLACE FOR EVERYBODY.
09:29:37 HIV CONTINUES TO BE ON THE RISE.
09:29:43 WE STARTED AS AN ORGANIZATION, AS A HIV SERVICE
09:29:45 ORGANIZATION AND HERE WE ARE 30 YEARS LATER AS AN
09:29:48 ORGANIZATION STILL STRUGGLING WITH THE STIGMA AND LACK
09:29:51 OF EDUCATION AROUND HIV.
09:29:54 YOU KNOW, FLORIDA STANDARDS CONTINUES TO RISE -- LEAD
09:29:59 IN NEW HIV INFECTIONS.
09:30:01 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF 48 MOST
09:30:04 BURDENED COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WITH
09:30:08 HIV INFECTIONS, PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV.
09:30:10 THAT IS A FACT BY THE CDC.
09:30:13 THE CDC HAS ROLLED OUT SOME NEW GRANT MONEY TO END THE
09:30:14 EPIDEMIC.
09:30:16 IT IS A MULTIYEAR GRANT.
09:30:19 WE ARE THRILLED TO BE RECEIVING SOME MONEY TO CONTINUE
09:30:23 TARGETED MESSAGING TO MOST AT-RISK INDIVIDUALS.
09:30:28 HIV, WE ARE SEEING IT IS REALLY NOT A GROUP EXCLUSIVE
09:30:31 -- NOT A LBGTQ+ EXCLUSIVE DISEASE.
09:30:37 A -- NOT A VIRUS THAT WE CAN ATTRACT.
09:30:42 I URGE EVERYBODY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HIV, BE TESTED AND
09:30:43 KNOW YOUR STATUS.
09:30:45 I WILL BE REMISS IF I DID NOT SPEAK OF OUR NEW FACILITY
09:30:47 BEING LOCATED WHERE IT IS.
09:30:50 3365 IS THE ZIP CODE.
09:30:56 PRIMARILY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
09:30:59 AND UNDERSERVED INDIVIDUALS WITH NOT THAT GREAT ACCESS
09:31:00 TO HEALTH CARE.
09:31:03 WE ARE SO THRILLED TO HAVE THAT BRICK AND MORTAR
09:31:06 LOCATION WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND RECEIVE THE SERVICES
09:31:06 THAT THEY NEED.
09:31:10 I SPOKE TO OVER 100 SERVICES AND PROGRAMS.
09:31:14 WHAT WE DO KNOW THAT 90% OF OUR PATIENTS RECEIVE MORE
09:31:15 THAN ONE SERVICE.
09:31:18 SO THAT GOAL OF WRAP-AROUND CARE AND ALL-INCLUSIVE
09:31:21 EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN ONE PLACE.
09:31:23 WE ARE STRIVING AND WE ARE REALLY CLOSE TO ACHIEVING
09:31:24 THAT.
09:31:28 SO IN CLOSING, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT THESE
09:31:31 THINGS ARE ALL POSSIBLE WITH PARTNERSHIPS.
09:31:32 WE LOVE COLLABORATIONS.
09:31:36 WE ARE SO PROUD TO PARTNER WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
09:31:39 JAIL AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE IN TAMPA.
09:31:43 AND, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTY PROTECTING AND
09:31:46 HELPING SUPPORT TRANS CHILDREN.
09:31:50 AND OFFER SUPPORT TO LBGTQ+ YOUTH.
09:31:54 AGAIN, THAT IS A REALLY UNDERSERVED AND VULNERABLE
09:31:59 POPULATION AS WE AS AN ORGANIZATION CHERISH AND WE
09:32:01 STRIVE TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY.
09:32:03 AND YOU KNOW HEALTH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
09:32:07 HEALTH PEOPLE ARE WHAT MAKE UP HEALTHY COMMUNITIES.
09:32:10 SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
09:32:12 ONE LAST ISSUE AS I LOOK DOWN.
09:32:15 I NOTICE I DIDN'T MENTION MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY
09:32:16 ARE.
09:32:19 THE BRICK AND MORTAR IS WONDERFUL, BUT WE HAVE MOBILE
09:32:21 HEALTH UNITS AND YOU WILL SEE US MORE IN THE COMMUNITY
09:32:24 AS WE CONTINUE THE HIV WORK.
09:32:25 BUT ALSO BUILDING TRUST.
09:32:29 AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH INDIVIDUALS SO THEY DO
09:32:32 FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE BRICK AND MORTAR.
09:32:35 WITH THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND SUPPORT.
09:32:38 HAPPY PRIDE.
09:32:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR, FOR ALL YOU DO AND
09:32:42 FOR EVERYTHING YOUR ORGANIZATION DOES.
09:32:46 IT SOUNDS LIKE TREMENDOUS WORK FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
09:32:48 AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
09:32:49 >> THANK YOU.
09:32:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
09:32:53 >>BILL CARLSON: TO ECHO THAT.
09:32:56 THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ALL THE PEOPLE YOU HELP
09:32:58 AND LIVES YOU SAVE.
09:33:01 AND ALSO, THANK YOU FOR SAVING -- HELPING TO SAVE A
09:33:03 REALLY IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING.
09:33:06 I SAW THE RENDERINGS.
09:33:06 IT IS BEAUTIFUL.
09:33:09 I CAN'T WAIT TO TAKE A TOUR OF THAT.
09:33:11 >> I CAN'T WAIT TO SHOW YOU ALL AND HAVE YOU ALL OUT
09:33:12 FOR A TOUR.
09:33:15 >>BILL CARLSON: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING MORE, THANK
09:33:15 YOU.
09:33:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO.
09:33:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN
09:33:19 THE COMMUNITY.
09:33:22 I WAS THERE WHEN WE HAD -- I GUESS THE GROUNDBREAKING
09:33:23 FOR THE NEW FACILITY.
09:33:27 I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT THE HISTORIC GERMAN-AMERICAN CLUB
09:33:30 IS IN GOOD HANDS AND BEING RESTORED AND THE BEAUTIFUL
09:33:35 ADDITION TO -- TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, BUT HOW WELL
09:33:39 YOU FOCUSED ON THE HISTORICAL AESTHETICS OF THE
09:33:42 BUILDING AND IT REALLY FITS INTO -- INTO THE -- THE
09:33:45 HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT IS
09:33:51 RIGHT THERE AND IN YBOR BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY JUST LIKE
09:33:54 YOUR NAME SAID AND WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER
09:33:55 "INCLUSIVE."
09:33:58 IT IS OPEN TO EVERYONE AND AN ASSET TO THIS COMMUNITY
09:34:00 THAT WILL BENEFIT SO MANY PEOPLE AND HELP SO MANY
09:34:04 PEOPLE AND WE ARE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE HERE
09:34:05 AND GRATEFUL FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
09:34:06 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:34:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
09:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:34:17 I CONGRATULATE YOU WITH ALONG WITH MY OTHER MEMBERS.
09:34:20 THE YCDC.
09:34:25 IT HAS MATURED INTO THIS GREAT, WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION
09:34:26 THAT IS HELPING SO MANY PEOPLE.
09:34:30 AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HELPING TO SAVE THAT WONDERFUL
09:34:33 HISTORIC BUILDING ON NEBRASKA AVENUE.
09:34:37 THE OLD GERMAN CLUB THAT USED TO BE A MASONIC TEMPLE AT
09:34:38 THAT TIME.
09:34:41 I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE EXPANSION AND YOU AND THE
09:34:43 ORGANIZATION HELPING SO MANY MORE PEOPLE IN OUR
09:34:45 COMMUNITY THAT DESPERATELY NEED HELP.
09:34:46 THANK YOU.
09:34:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
09:34:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:34:51 I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, SIR.
09:34:56 WAY BACK IN THE '40S AND '50S AND '60S, SOMETHING CLOSE
09:34:59 WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MUTUAL AID SOCIETY.
09:35:07 IT WAS A CUBAN CLUB, CENTRO ITALIANO AND OTHER ONES.
09:35:09 SUPPORT A SMALL AMOUNT, TAKE CARE OF THE WHOLE FAMILY
09:35:12 FROM BIRTH TO THE OTHER SIDE, THE END.
09:35:16 AND THEY DID -- THEY HAD HOSPITALS.
09:35:18 THEY HAD SURGEONS.
09:35:19 THEY HAD NURSES.
09:35:20 THEY HAD X-RAYS.
09:35:22 THEY HAD LABORATORIES.
09:35:23 THEY HAD EVERYTHING.
09:35:26 I CALLED IT THE START OF MEDICARE.
09:35:28 AND THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DID WAS THE GOVERNMENT TOOK
09:35:32 OVER AND NOT SO KIND, BUT NOW THEY CALL IT THE LOTTERY.
09:35:35 IT USED TO BE CALLED "BOLITA."
09:35:38 WHICH IT WAS ILLEGAL BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WASN'T
09:35:39 GETTING THE MONEY.
09:35:43 HOW IT IS IN LIFE AND I AM NOT COMPARING TO YOU BOLITA
09:35:45 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE
09:35:48 DOING AND I UNDERSTAND THE PREMISE BECAUSE I WAS PART
09:35:51 OF THE MUTUAL AID SOCIETY AS ONE OF THE RECIPIENTS.
09:35:54 THANK YOU, SIR.
09:35:54 >> THANK YOU.
09:35:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DURING YOUR PRESENTATION I WAS
09:35:58 WONDERING -- I DIDN'T HEAR.
09:36:00 WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AT ALL?
09:36:03 >> WE DO HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
09:36:06 THEY ARE ONGOING, THANK YOU.
09:36:07 YES.
09:36:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: A GOOD THING TO KNOW WORKING WITH THE
09:36:10 SCHOOL DISTRICT.
09:36:11 >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:36:15 WE WORK WITH THE GENDER -- GSAS AND LISTEN TAMPA BAY
09:36:18 SPECIFICALLY ARE PARTNERS WITHIN THE SCHOOLS.
09:36:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOU AND YOUR
09:36:23 ORGANIZATION FOR WHAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU, MR. VIERA,
09:36:25 FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
09:36:30 >> THANK YOU.
09:36:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, SIR.
09:36:37 OPINION OKAY, GENTLEMAN, MOVE ALONG.
09:36:42 MR. SHELBY, YOU AND MISS ZELMAN HAVE THINGS YOU WANT TO
09:36:45 SHARE WITH US OF THE GOVERNOR EXECUTIVE ORDER.
09:36:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
09:36:53 MISS ZELMAN IS ON HER WAY DOWN AND MAYBE IF WE CAN GO
09:36:54 TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:36:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:37:18 HOW MANY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
09:37:19 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:37:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING, SIR.
09:37:21 >> COUNCILMEN.
09:37:23 I'M HERE --
09:37:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME FOR US.
09:37:29 >> ODELL MINGO.
09:37:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, SIR.
09:37:33 >> I'M HERE IN REFERENCE TO THE LIENS THAT OCCURRED ON
09:37:36 TWO OF MY PROPERTIES AND I WAS TRYING -- I HAVE BEEN
09:37:42 RELATING TO -- SHAUNA TIM, BARBARA BELL AND MAUREEN
09:37:44 REGINA.
09:37:47 AND WE HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH TRYING TO
09:37:49 GET THIS RESOLVED.
09:37:53 BUT IT SEEMS AS IF EVERYONE IS -- I WANT TO SAY KICKING
09:37:56 THE CAN DOWN THE STREET.
09:38:01 AND I JUST NEED SOME RESOLUTIONS TO -- TO -- TO SOLVE
09:38:02 THIS PROBLEM.
09:38:09 I HAVE TWO PROPERTIES I WANT TO FIX THE PROPERTIES THAT
09:38:13 HAVE LIENS AND NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE A RESOLUTION TO HOW
09:38:15 CAN I GET THIS RESOLVED.
09:38:20 AND THE REASON WHY THE PROPERTY IS UNDER THE FINES THAT
09:38:24 HAVE BEEN OCCURRING THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
09:38:28 NO ONE CAN SEEM TO -- I WENT TO COURT -- I SPOKE WITH
09:38:35 THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THE AREA, MISS ANGELINE
09:38:35 JOHNSON.
09:38:37 SHE IS THE ONE THAT GAVE ME THE FINES AND TOLD ME I
09:38:39 NEED TO SHUT THEM DOWN.
09:38:40 I SHUT THEM DOWN.
09:38:41 I BOARDED THEM UP.
09:38:43 I DID GO TO COURT.
09:38:45 AFTER GOING TO COURT.
09:38:47 I SECURED THE PROPERTIES.
09:38:50 UPON SECURING THE PROPERTIES, I STILL OCCURRED FINES
09:38:53 ONGOING FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, ALMOST THREE
09:38:55 YEARS NOW.
09:39:00 AND NO ONE CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER ON HOW CAN I FIX THE
09:39:01 PROBLEM.
09:39:03 I AM NOT FINANCIALLY ABLE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY
09:39:08 ASK ME TO FIX, BUT I WAS ABLE BOARD AND SECURE THE
09:39:10 PROPERTIES AND I HAD THEM SECURED.
09:39:14 I ACTUALLY HAD -- LIKE, TEN FAMILIES GO BACK TO THE
09:39:15 STREET.
09:39:18 NORMALLY HOUSE PEOPLE -- UNFORTUNATELY, HOMELESS PEOPLE
09:39:21 IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COME TO ME FOR A PLACE TO
09:39:28 STAY, BUT, I COULDN'T DO IT ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE
09:39:30 LIENS THAT OCCURRED ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES.
09:39:34 ALL OF MY -- ALL I AM ASKING FOR IS A LITTLE HELP TO
09:39:37 SEE -- TO LIFT THESE FINES -- LIFT THE LIENS
09:39:43 TEMPORARILY SO I CAN SELL TWO PROPERTIES TO FIX THE
09:39:46 ORDER OF 23RD AND 29TH STREET.
09:39:49 AND I AM ASKING FOR A LITTLE HELP.
09:39:52 I WENT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
09:39:59 ANGELINE, CODE ENFORCEMENT, BARBARA JEAN, REGINA.
09:40:02 THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO PLEASE LOOK THAT THE SITUATION
09:40:07 AND TO HELP ME GET ALONG WITH -- BEFORE I CAN GET THIS
09:40:10 STUFF RESOLVED.
09:40:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
09:40:14 WE NORMALLY DON'T TALK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND I KNOW
09:40:16 MY OFFICE HAVE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM YOU.
09:40:20 MR. SHELBY HAVE GIVEN THIS TO ALL COUNCILMEMBERS IN
09:40:24 REFERENCE TO MR. MINGO CONCERN.
09:40:27 MY OFFICE SENT SOMETHING TO LEGAL AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
09:40:30 WE HAVE YET TO HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT EITHER.
09:40:32 AND I HOPE THAT STAFF IS ONLINE LISTENING TO THE
09:40:35 CONCERNS AND HOPEFULLY GET THIS RESOLVED WITH YOU
09:40:37 SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
09:40:40 THANK YOU FOR COMING IN MORNING, SIR.
09:40:50 >> THANK YOU.
09:40:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, DID YOU GIVE THE COPY --
09:40:59 THANK YOU.
09:41:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE HONORABLE DIANE HART IS GRACING
09:41:03 OUR PRESENCE THIS MORNING.
09:41:06 WE DON'T GIVE HER A THREE MINUTE -- SHE IS FREE TO GO
09:41:09 AND HERE AND MUST HAVE SERIOUS CONCERN.
09:41:11 DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
09:41:13 MISS HART, WELCOME.
09:41:13 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:41:14 GOOD MORNING.
09:41:16 I WON'T TAKE UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME.
09:41:18 I KNOW EVERYBODY IS BUSY AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE
09:41:18 HEARD.
09:41:22 BUT I WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING AND I BRING YOU GREETING
09:41:24 FROM THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES BUT TODAY I
09:41:27 STAND FOR YOU AS THE CEO OF EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND
09:41:30 CIVIC ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT AFFORDABLE
09:41:33 HOUSING ORGANIZATION THAT IS DOING BUILDING IN OUR
09:41:34 COMMUNITY.
09:41:37 BUT I GOT A LETTER FROM ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD
09:41:38 ASSOCIATIONS.
09:41:41 AND I WANTED TO READ THAT TO YOU FIRST AND THEN I WILL
09:41:43 TALK ABOUT THE THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
09:41:46 IT IS FROM MISS FRANKIE JONES, WHO IS PRESIDENT OF THE
09:41:51 RAINBOW HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
09:41:54 AND HER CONCERN IS THAT AT THE CORNER OF CHELSEA AND
09:41:57 COURTLAND IS A NUISANCE IN THE RAINBOW HEIGHTS
09:41:57 COMMUNITY.
09:41:59 AS A PRESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, SHE HAS
09:42:03 JOINED WITH THE CDC AND THE CITY OF TAMPA TO GET STOP
09:42:04 SIGNS PUT IN.
09:42:06 IF ANY OF YOU ARE OUT IN THE AREA YOU HAVE SEEN THE
09:42:07 STOP SIGNS.
09:42:08 THEY WERE SORELY NEEDED.
09:42:11 TRAFFIC SPED FROM 34TH TO 40TH WITH NO STOP.
09:42:16 SO WHEN SOMEBODY GOT HIT, TYPICALLY IT WAS FATAL.
09:42:20 SO SHE IS CONCERNED THAT -- ABOUT THE NO PARKING SIGNS
09:42:21 AT THE BLUE STORE.
09:42:24 AND SHE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE PARKING AND
09:42:26 STANDING ON THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTY PLAYING LOUD MUSIC,
09:42:35 DRINKING, GAMBLING, URINATING AND ENDING WITH VERBAL
09:42:37 CONFLICTING ISSUES.
09:42:40 SPOKEN WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCILMEN AND THEY HAVE BEEN
09:42:42 DAILY ISSUES AND ARE PROBLEMATIC.
09:42:45 WORKING RESIDENTS ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH THEIR HOMES
09:42:47 BECAUSE OF THE GAMBLING IN THE ROAD.
09:42:50 UNABLE TO REST BECAUSE OF 12 OR MORE HOURS OF WORK
09:42:55 BECAUSE OF LOUD MUSIC AND AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR.
09:42:57 GUN VIOLENCE.
09:43:01 THE RAINBOW HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION IS ASKING FOR TAMPA
09:43:04 POLICE TO PUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND POSSIBLY GO BACK
09:43:06 TO THE BICYCLES.
09:43:10 MANY OF YOU KNOW FOREVER I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LAKE
09:43:11 AND 29TH.
09:43:14 I HEARD THE OFFICER THIS MORNING WHEN HE GOT THE
09:43:16 ACCOMMODATION AND GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE WORK THE TAMPA
09:43:19 PD DOES OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT YOU ALL HAVE TO
09:43:23 REALIZE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES AND A LOT ARE NOT
09:43:25 JUST OUR PEOPLE BUT CODE ENFORCEMENT.
09:43:28 A BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF 22ND AND MARTIN LUTHER
09:43:28 KING, JR.
09:43:31 I HAVE TRIED FOR YEARS TO GET THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING
09:43:33 ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
09:43:35 IT LOOKS DEPLORABLE.
09:43:36 IT NEEDS REPAIR.
09:43:39 AND EVERY SINGLE TIME WE BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL, SOMEHOW
09:43:42 THEY MANAGED TO GET BY WITH THIS THING AND I AM NOT
09:43:43 SURE HOW.
09:43:45 BUT THERE IS SO MUCH HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
09:43:48 WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING A BETTER COMMUNITY.
09:43:51 THE WAY TO BUILD A BETTER COMMUNITY IS FOR IT TO HAVE A
09:43:52 BETTER LOOKING COMMUNITY.
09:43:55 I KNOW WE HAVE A CLEAN TEAM, NEAT TEAM.
09:43:57 I AM NOT SURE WHAT WE ARE CALLING OUR STREAM NOW FROM
09:43:58 THE CRA.
09:44:02 WE HAVE A SEVEN SQUARE MILE.
09:44:08 FOR SOME UNGODLY REASON IT LOOKS LIKE A MESS ALONG OUR
09:44:08 RIGHT-OF-WAYS.
09:44:09 IT SHOULD NOT.
09:44:12 WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS OUT OF OUR CRA.
09:44:12 I AM HOME.
09:44:14 I'M HERE FOR THE NEXT FIVE MONTH.
09:44:19 I INTEND TO ATTEND AS MANY OF YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, C
09:44:23 RA MEETINGS THAT I POSSIBLY CAN TO BETTER UNDERSTAND
09:44:26 WHAT IS REALLY HOLDING US UP AND WHY PER NOT
09:44:29 PROGRESSING THAT I KNOW MANY OF YOU THINK WE SHOULD
09:44:31 ESPECIALLY YOU COUNCILMAN.
09:44:34 I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET BUILDINGS TORN
09:44:37 DOWN IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND GET THESE EYESORES OUT OF
09:44:43 OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT COUNCIL, UNLESS OUR CODE
09:44:46 ENFORCEMENT REALLY CRACKS DOWN ON THESE BUSINESSES AND
09:44:49 MAKE THE BUSINESSES DO BETTER AND LOOK BETTER, WE WILL
09:44:53 CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS ISSUES.
09:44:56 SOME AREAS WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
09:44:57 23RD AND LAKE.
09:45:00 LISTEN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE HANG OUT ON THE
09:45:02 CORNER AND SIT IN FRONT OF BUSINESSES BUT WE COULDN'T
09:45:04 DO IT IF THE BUSINESSES DID NOT ALLOW IT.
09:45:08 SO YOU ALL REALLY -- WE NEED TO BE CRACKING DOWN ON OUR
09:45:10 BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT DOING THEIR PART.
09:45:13 WE LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO EAST TAMPA.
09:45:16 AS YOU CAN SEE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT EVERYWHERE.
09:45:20 I ALWAYS SAY TO EVERYBODY, I WON'T KNOW EAST TAMPA AS
09:45:23 EAST TAMPA IN FIVE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF
09:45:26 GROWTH WE ARE GETTING FOR HOUSING, BUT WE NEED ECONOMIC
09:45:27 DEVELOPMENT MOVING IN HERE.
09:45:30 AND I CAN TELL OUT AS A FORMER BUSINESS OWNER, NOBODY
09:45:33 WANTS TO MOVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY IF THEY DON'T THINK
09:45:34 LOOKS GOOD.
09:45:36 LOOKS ARE IMPORTANT.
09:45:38 BEAUTIFICATION IS CRITICAL.
09:45:41 I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK WHAT TECO IS
09:45:43 DOING TO OUR TREES IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:45:47 I REACHED OUT TO THE LOBBYIST FOR TECO, IT IS
09:45:48 DEPLORABLE.
09:45:50 THEY CUTTING OFF THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF OUR TREES TO
09:45:53 CLEAR THE LINES BUT LEAVING THE TREES LOOKING A MESS.
09:45:57 THERE IS SO MANY ISSUES IN EAST TAMPA, BUT I GET IT.
09:46:01 WE HAVE TO BITE THEM OFF THE ELEPHANT, RIGHT, ONE SMALL
09:46:02 BITE AT A TIME.
09:46:06 BUT WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO DO IS ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE
09:46:08 WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, THAT YOU -- THAT THEY
09:46:09 STEP UP.
09:46:14 MY OFFICE SITS AT 2814 NORTH 22ND.
09:46:15 DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, A HOUSE THAT WAS
09:46:17 GOING TO BE RENOVATED.
09:46:20 I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO SOMEBODY ABOUT IT.
09:46:22 THEY CAN NOT TELL ME WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT RIDES
09:46:24 AROUND, THEY DON'T SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR
09:46:25 COMMUNITY.
09:46:29 I NEED PEOPLE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ROLES
09:46:33 TOO, JUST AS WE EXPECT OUR CONSTITUENTS AND OUR
09:46:36 NEIGHBORS AND LOVED ONES WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO
09:46:40 DO, WE NEED THE CITY OFFICIALS WHEN THEY ARE IN THOSE
09:46:43 CARS AND THEY SEE THIS STUFF, THEY NEED TO REPORT IT
09:46:44 AND TAKE CARE OF IT.
09:46:46 WE NEED A BETTER LOOKING COMMUNITY.
09:46:50 IF WE EXPECT BUSINESSES TO WANT TO COME INTO OUR
09:46:51 COMMUNITY.
09:46:55 SO I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE BUSINESS AT 22ND AND DR. MARTIN
09:46:56 LUTHER KING, JR.
09:47:00 40 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING WITH LAKE -- AND LAKE
09:47:01 AND 29.
09:47:03 YOU ALL KNOW WHERE IT IS.
09:47:03 WE ALL KNOW.
09:47:06 COME ON, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO SPUR GROWTH.
09:47:08 THE BUILDING IS NOW DOWN.
09:47:11 I AM HOPING THAT YOU ALL WILL CONTINUE TO ACQUIRE THESE
09:47:16 PROPERTIES SO THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOING ON IN OUR
09:47:16 COMMUNITY.
09:47:20 YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY AT LAKE AND 22ND.
09:47:22 I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO WITH IT.
09:47:25 BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL.
09:47:27 LET'S GET TO DEVELOPING SOME OF OUR VACANT PROPERTIES
09:47:29 AND BUSINESSES.
09:47:31 STOP OUR -- STOP ME.
09:47:32 I AM A DEVELOPER.
09:47:36 WE DON'T NEED TO PUT ANY HOUSES ON OUR MAIN THOROUGH
09:47:37 FARES.
09:47:39 WE NEED COMMERCIAL ON THESE PROPERTIES.
09:47:40 SO I BEG YOU ALL.
09:47:44 LET'S STOP PUTTING -- LET'S STOP PEOPLE PUTTING HOUSES
09:47:47 EVERYWHERE, AND LET'S CREATE A BUSINESS DISTRICT INSIDE
09:47:51 OF OUR VERY OWN COMMUNITY.
09:47:54 LOOK, SO I TALKED ABOUT THE CRA A LITTLE BIT AND THE
09:47:57 TREES 37 SO WHAT I ASK FOR YOU ALL TO DO IS, LET'S
09:47:58 UNITE.
09:48:01 AS A LEGISLATOR, I'M HERE TO HELP YOU ANY WAY I CAN
09:48:02 FROM TALLAHASSEE.
09:48:04 I LOOKED AT YOUR AGENDA.
09:48:05 YOU HAVE SIDEWALKS.
09:48:07 YOU ALL MIGHT KNOW I HAD IS IT IN THE BUDGET.
09:48:08 GOVERNOR TOOK IT OUT.
09:48:10 IT WILL COME BACK AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
09:48:13 BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M HERE FOR YOU TO FIGHT
09:48:16 WITH YOU FROM TALLAHASSEE IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN.
09:48:20 I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING MY WORK ON THE GROUND AS
09:48:22 LONG AS I AM HOME AND EVEN WHEN I AM NOT HERE.
09:48:24 YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO ME.
09:48:26 BOTH OUR CITIZENS AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
09:48:29 I AM ALWAYS HERE TO DO MY PART.
09:48:31 THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME THIS
09:48:31 MORNING.
09:48:35 BUT LET'S BAND TOGETHER AND DEVELOPMENT EAST TAMPA AS
09:48:38 THE OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS ARE BEING DEVELOPED.
09:48:40 WE SEEM TO BE THE LAST ONE LEFT.
09:48:41 IT IS OUR TURN.
09:48:44 SO LET'S STEP UP, EVERYBODY.
09:48:45 INCLUDING MYSELF.
09:48:48 AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THIS A BETTER COMMUNITY.
09:48:49 THANK YOU.
09:48:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SEE IF ANY COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE
09:48:54 ANYTHING TO SAY AND I WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS
09:48:55 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
09:48:57 MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:48:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK, SOME OF THE THINGS
09:49:01 THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE SPOKE ABOUT.
09:49:05 YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE -- WHEN SHE MENTIONED "WORKING
09:49:05 TOGETHER."
09:49:09 WE HAVE A FIGHTER IN TALLAHASSEE AS A REPRESENTATIVE.
09:49:11 WE HAVE A WONDERFUL COUNCILMEMBER THAT REPRESENTS THE
09:49:15 DISTRICT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS -- AS
09:49:22 HAS BEEN SAID, UNITING AND TRYING REVITALIZE EAST
09:49:23 TAMPA.
09:49:26 I AM NOT GAWKING ABOUT GENTRIFICATION BUT LIFTING UP
09:49:32 THE COMMUNITY, LOOK BACK AT THE LAST 20 YEARS.
09:49:35 HISTORIC HYDE PARK YOU COULDN'T GET A LOAN FROM THE
09:49:36 BANK TO BUY A HOUSE.
09:49:38 IT WAS RED LINED.
09:49:42 NOW LOOK AT HYDE PARK.
09:49:42 TAMPA HEIGHTS.
09:49:46 WAS NOT THE TAMPA HEIGHTS AND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
09:49:48 WHAT IS IT TAKE?
09:49:51 PEOPLE BELIEVING IN THE COMMUNITY, INVESTORS COMING
09:49:53 TOGETHER AND LIFTING THE COMMUNITY UP.
09:49:56 WE WORK TOGETHER FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THE STATE
09:49:59 REPRESENTATIVE, THE CITY COUNCIL AND EVEN THE COUNTY
09:50:05 COMMISSION, AND FOCUS ON EAST TAMPA AS A WHOLE.
09:50:07 IT IS THE LARGEST CRA.
09:50:10 WE HAVE THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND PUT THE FOCUS ON AND
09:50:13 PUT A VISION TOGETHER FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO LIFT IT UP,
09:50:16 NOT TO PUSH PEOPLE OUT, BUT TO LIFT PEOPLE UP.
09:50:19 TO OFFER THEM A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE AND WHETHER IT
09:50:21 IS A MARKETING PLAN FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE TO
09:50:26 BRING BUSINESSES.
09:50:31 WHETHER THEY ARE MOM AND POP OR LARGER CORPORATIONS TO
09:50:33 INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY AND LOOK AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING
09:50:35 TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY SO THEY ARE NOT PRICED
09:50:36 OUT.
09:50:41 BUT AN AREA THAT IS ALWAYS FORGOTTEN.
09:50:44 THE FOCUS AND EMPHASIS HAVE BEEN ON OTHER PARTS OF THE
09:50:47 CITY AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY FLOURISH AND EAST
09:50:49 TAMPA IS ALWAYS BEHIND.
09:50:52 I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO
09:50:56 MAKE THAT EFFORTS TOGETHER TO LIFT THAT COMMUNITY UP.
09:50:56 THANK YOU.
09:50:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW MR. CITRO.
09:50:59 I SAW YOUR HAND?
09:51:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
09:51:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, MR. CARLSON, MR. VIERA.
09:51:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:51:10 THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE, FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR
09:51:11 ATTENTION.
09:51:14 EVERY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU.
09:51:17 TIM MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE TALKED TO YOU.
09:51:22 AND HOPEFULLY SET UP SOMETHING NEXT WEEK TO ADDRESS ALL
09:51:24 THE ISSUES YOU BROUGHT FORWARD TO US.
09:51:27 YOU ARE CORRECT, WITHOUT BUSINESSES BEING IN THE
09:51:30 COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY CANNOT BE A WHOLE.
09:51:32 BUT WE NEED TO DISCUSS ALL THE ISSUES.
09:51:36 SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU, HOPEFULLY NEXT
09:51:36 WEEK.
09:51:39 THANK YOU FOR HAVING SIDEWALKS ON YOUR AGENDA.
09:51:43 WE LIVE IN A CITY WHERE OUR -- OUR SCHOOLS DON'T ALLOW
09:51:48 BUSING WITHIN A TWO-MILE RADIUS WHICH MEANS THAT
09:51:50 CHILDREN HAVE TO WALK IN THE STREETS TO GET TO SCHOOL.
09:51:51 THANK YOU FOR YOUR FIGHT ON THAT.
09:51:53 MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:51:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:51:58 >>BILL CARLSON: I ECHO THE SAME THINGS.
09:52:01 WOULD LOVE TO MEET AND CATCH UP SOMETIMES.
09:52:04 I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS NOT ONLY WAS EAST TAMPA IGNORED
09:52:07 BUT ALL THE CITIES EXCEPT FOR DOWNTOWN WAS IGNORED FOR
09:52:10 EIGHT YEARS AND TRYING TO BRING BUDGET AND PLANS BACK
09:52:13 TO THE REST OF THE CITY AND BRING EQUITY TO THE REST OF
09:52:15 THE CITY BUT IN PARTICULAR, WE HAVE ALL BEEN FOCUSING
09:52:16 ON EAST TAMPA.
09:52:20 I AM ACCUSING SOUTH TAMPA OF TALKING TO MUCH OF EAST
09:52:20 TAMPA.
09:52:24 WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF CHAIR GUDES.
09:52:27 WORKING ON SOLUTIONS AND TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
09:52:30 LEADERS AND OTHERS AND UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE
09:52:33 SHRINKING OF THE MEDIA NOT A LOT OF COVERAGE OF SOME OF
09:52:35 THE THINGS WE ARE DOING AND WITH US HAVING DISCUSSIONS
09:52:38 WITH YOU AND THE COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE WITH HEAR MORE
09:52:39 OF THE THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
09:52:41 SOME OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED.
09:52:43 MANY OF THE THINGS YOU ARE MENTION RIGHT SIDE UNDER THE
09:52:46 MAYOR'S PURVIEW AND I AM SURE YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH HER
09:52:47 AS WELL.
09:52:50 WITH OUR HATS AS CITY COUNCILMEMBERS AND CRA BOARD, WE
09:52:53 ARE TRYING TO MOVE THESE THINGS FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS
09:52:53 POSSIBLE.
09:52:55 ONE THING -- I CAN TALK TO YOU OFF LINE.
09:52:58 ONE THING THAT BUGS ME ON THE AGENDA.
09:53:02 LAST -- LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SENATE PRESIDENT
09:53:09 PUSHED A BILL -- AN UNFUNDED MANDATE TO FORCE CITIES
09:53:12 FOR RECLAIMED WATER TO CONVERT TO DRINKING WATER.
09:53:16 AND NUMBERS COULD COST THE CITY OF TAMPA RATE PAYERS
09:53:20 $2.5 MILLION TO $6 MILLION AND NO STATE MONEY TO PAY
09:53:23 FOR IT AND TAMPA DOESN'T NEED IT AND HAVE TO SUPPLY
09:53:26 WATER FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
09:53:29 I AM HOPING THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
09:53:30 I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER.
09:53:33 BUT HOPING WE CAN REPEAL IT OR EXTEND THE DEADLINES
09:53:36 BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BENEFIT ARE
09:53:39 THE WATER CONTRACTORS WHO MAKE LOTS OF MONEY OFF OF
09:53:40 THAT.
09:53:43 A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY AND CAN DOUBLE OR MORE THE
09:53:44 WATER BILLS.
09:53:47 LAST YEAR AND A COUPLE OF YEARS WE INCREASED WATER
09:53:51 RATES AND GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM FAMILIES LIVING
09:53:53 MONTH TO MONTH AND WEEK TO WEEK AND COULDN'T AFFORD THE
09:53:57 RAISES AND ANOTHER HUGE INCREASE IN WATER RATES BECAUSE
09:54:00 SOMEBODY IN TALLAHASSEE THINKS WE SHOULD DRINK POTTY
09:54:03 WATER AND SPEND $6 BILLION.
09:54:05 A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY AND HURTS ALL OF THE
09:54:08 COMMUNITIES IN.
09:54:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA.
09:54:12 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND THEN MR. DINGFELDER.
09:54:14 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:54:15 I APPRECIATE IT.
09:54:18 I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE WORK Y'ALL DO IN TALLAHASSEE.
09:54:21 I HAD A GREAT TOWN HALL WITH OUR FRIEND, A WOMAN LIKE
09:54:26 YOU THAT I THINK SO HIGHLY OF, REPRESENTATIVE DRISCOL
09:54:30 AND GAVE AN UPDATE ON THE SUMMARY WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN
09:54:31 DOING IN TALLAHASSEE.
09:54:34 AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IS SAILING AGAINST THE
09:54:34 WIND.
09:54:35 YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING?
09:54:37 SAILING AGAINST THE WINDS.
09:54:40 A LOT OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IS HAVING THE COURAGE TO
09:54:42 VOTE NO ON THINGS.
09:54:44 BILLS THAT ARE SET-UPS.
09:54:47 BILLS THAT ARE SET-UPS AND WHATNOT AND YOU VOTE NO WITH
09:54:50 CONVICTION AND YOU VOTE YES TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITH
09:54:52 CONVICTION, COURAGE AND STRENGTH.
09:54:53 I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
09:54:56 SO MANY OF OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES LEARNED IT.
09:54:58 VALDEZ.
09:55:01 SENATOR CRUZ, AMONG MANY OTHERS.
09:55:04 REPRESENTATIVE DRISCOL AND YOURSELF, ETC.
09:55:06 JUST FOR WHAT YOU DO IN TALLAHASSEE.
09:55:07 IT IS NOT EASY.
09:55:09 IT IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FIGHT.
09:55:12 AND I JUST HOPE THAT WE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE
09:55:16 SEEN AS A GOOD PARTNER FOR YOU IN WHAT YOU DO.
09:55:19 YOU KNOW WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE CHAIRMAN GUDES WITH
09:55:20 US.
09:55:23 HIS FIRST YEAR, YOU TALK ABOUT A MARK MAGUIRE ROOKIE
09:55:24 YEAR.
09:55:29 HE GOT IN $18 MILLION FOR -- FOR EAST TAMPA REC CENTER.
09:55:30 YOU KNOW.
09:55:33 TALK ABOUT A ROOKIE YEAR, RIGHT.
09:55:36 THAT -- THAT IS JUST MARVELOUS AND SALUTE THE CHAIRMAN
09:55:39 FOR THAT AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS.
09:55:42 BUT WE JUST HOPE WE ARE HERE AS A GOOD PARTNER FOR
09:55:45 ECONOMIC MOBILITY AND TURNING EAST TAMPA AND ALL PARTS
09:55:49 OF OUR CITY THAT ARE DISADVANTAGED AS A PLACE WHERE
09:55:52 JOBS ARE CREATED, WHERE BUSINESSES CAN COME AND
09:55:53 FLOURISH, ETC.
09:55:56 AND WHERE PEOPLE SEE EAST TAMPA AS A PLACE TO INVEST
09:55:58 BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THEY CAN MAKE MONEY.
09:56:01 THAT IS WHERE THEY CAN HAVE PROFITS FOR THEIR
09:56:01 BUSINESSES.
09:56:05 YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT -- THAT IS THE INCENTIVE IN OUR
09:56:06 SOCIETY.
09:56:09 AND THE MESSAGE IS THAT EAST TAMPA IS OPEN FOR
09:56:09 BUSINESS.
09:56:14 AND THAT IT IS GOOD PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS
09:56:16 WHO ARE THERE FOR SPENDING POWER AND WHO CAN SPEND IT
09:56:18 IN THE COMMUNITY AT THESE BUSINESSES.
09:56:21 AND WE ARE HERE TO -- TO SUPPORT THAT.
09:56:23 AND ALSO FOR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW.
09:56:26 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL FOUGHT AGAINST WAS THE
09:56:30 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF AN APPRENTICESHIP PREEMPTION
09:56:33 BILL, VERSION OF IT PASSED.
09:56:34 WE WILL SEE WHAT IS WITH THAT.
09:56:38 BUT WE PASSED A HISTORIC APPRENTICESHIP BUILD TO CREATE
09:56:43 A BETTER PATHWAY FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS IN SULPHUR
09:56:48 SPRINGS, AND ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA AND GOD WILLING
09:56:49 THAT WILL STICK.
09:56:52 WE HOPE WE ARE GOOD PARTNERS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
09:56:54 WORK AND THAT OF CHAIRMAN GUDES.
09:56:55 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
09:56:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:56:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: REPRESENTATIVE HART, THANK YOU FOR
09:57:02 JOINING US HERE TODAY.
09:57:04 WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER A LONG TIME.
09:57:06 I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.
09:57:09 SO GLAD WHEN YOU GOT ELECTED BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WOULD
09:57:15 GO UP THERE AND BE A FIGHTER LIKE ARTHENIA AND OTHERS
09:57:16 IN THE PAST BEFORE YOU.
09:57:19 IT'S INTERESTING, I KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET INTO
09:57:22 IT TODAY BECAUSE -- BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS BEING
09:57:26 SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I DID SEE -- COME ACROSS
09:57:29 OUR DESK THE FACT THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS IT
09:57:33 LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BE ADDRESSING ONE OF THOSE
09:57:34 CONVENIENCE STORES.
09:57:36 I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE IT IS, BUT IT IS
09:57:40 OBVIOUSLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
09:57:43 AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T PREJUDGE IT UNLESS WE HAVE THAT
09:57:47 HEARING, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT
09:57:48 DIRECTION.
09:57:51 AND IF WE HAVE TO SEND A MESSAGE OUT THERE TO THOSE
09:57:56 CONVENIENCE STORES AND THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, YOU
09:57:59 KNOW, THAT ARE CREATING NUISANCES AND PROBLEMS IN THE
09:58:01 COMMUNITY, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
09:58:03 SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT OF TOUGH LOVE.
09:58:07 BUT ANYWAY, DIANA, WE APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH AND THANK
09:58:08 YOU FOR COMING DOWN.
09:58:09 KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
09:58:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
09:58:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
09:58:15 FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE JOB YOU DO IN
09:58:16 TALLAHASSEE.
09:58:19 I KNOW YOU ARE ON THE MINORITY SIDE AND SOMETIMES VERY
09:58:21 DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR POINTS ACROSS.
09:58:24 MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME IF YOU WERE A REPUBLICAN,
09:58:27 DEMOCRAT OR WHATEVER, YOU LOOK AT THE SUPPRESSION OF
09:58:30 SOMEONE TRYING TO SUPPRESS INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN
09:58:34 VOTING EARLY OR BY MAIL, AND THEY WANT TO TAKE SOME OF
09:58:37 THAT AWAY, THAT TELLS YOU THIS COUNTRY IS REALLY,
09:58:38 REALLY DIVIDED.
09:58:41 I WILL BE CALLING YOU FROM MY OFFICE TO MAKE AN
09:58:42 APPOINTMENT TO GO SEE YOU.
09:58:47 AND I THINK WE CAN WORK SOME OF THESE THINGS OUT.
09:58:52 SOME WILL TAKE A LITTLE LONGER AND POTTY, POOPY WATER
09:58:53 IS DRANK ALL OVER THE WORLD.
09:58:56 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:58:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, TO CITIZENS OF TAMPA, YOU
09:59:03 KNOW, WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE MISS -- REPRESENTATIVE
09:59:06 HART HERE TODAY AND WE DON'T GIVE HER A TIME LIMIT TO
09:59:09 PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE SHE BRINGS A MESSAGE.
09:59:16 WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO HER MESSAGE AND GIVE DEFERENCE TO
09:59:17 THAT.
09:59:19 MISS HART IS RIGHT ABOUT A LOT.
09:59:21 EMPOWERMENT.
09:59:24 NOT SO MUCH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUT ECONOMIC
09:59:26 EMPOWERMENT.
09:59:29 IN EAST TAMPA, THE RESIDENTS, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE
09:59:33 BECOME EMPOWERED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
09:59:36 MR. MIRANDA SAID LOOK -- LOOK AT ALL THE E-MAILS WE ARE
09:59:39 GETTING OF THE ISSUE OF EAST TAMPA.
09:59:43 WE ALWAYS HAD ISSUES BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE STANDING UP TO
09:59:44 FIGHT IT.
09:59:47 MISS FRANKIE, SHE CALLS ME ALL THE TIME.
09:59:51 IF SHE DOESN'T REACH ME, CALLS THE MAYOR.
09:59:53 WE HAVE ISSUES.
09:59:54 I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LEGAL.
09:59:57 THEY HAVE A STRATEGY THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING FORTH THAT
09:59:59 MR. DINGFELDER.
10:00:00 WE HAVE TO SEND A MESSAGE.
10:00:06 EAST TAMPA CAN NO LONGER BE THE DUMPING GROUNDS.
10:00:08 NOT PICKING ON BLACK PEOPLE -- THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
10:00:10 LIVING THERE ARE TIRED OF THE SHOOTING.
10:00:13 TIRED OF THE LOUD MUSIC THAT IS CONGREGATING AT SOME OF
10:00:16 THESE ESTALISHMENTS UNTIL LATE, LATE AT NIGHT.
10:00:18 I CAN'T BLAME THEM.
10:00:20 TALK OF GENTRIFICATION.
10:00:22 WE LOOK AT THE HOUSES BEING BUILT.
10:00:26 95% OF THE HOUSES BLACK PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THEM.
10:00:30 THEY ARE LIVING IN THEM, BUT WE NEED AN ECONOMIC
10:00:30 ENGINE.
10:00:32 I SAID THIS WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER.
10:00:35 UNTIL WE DO THINGS WITH 79 AND LAKE WE WILL CONTINUE TO
10:00:36 HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS.
10:00:40 29TH AND LAKE COMING DOWN TO 26TH UP 22ND STREET.
10:00:43 THEN OFF LAKE AVENUE IN THE MIDDLE.
10:00:45 I SAID THIS TO STAFF.
10:00:48 I HAVE TOLD MISS VAN LOAN.
10:00:52 I TOLD THE CHIEF OF STAFF, NEEDS TO BE A TEAM, AN
10:00:56 AGGRESSIVE SEPARATE TEAM FOCUSED ON EAST TAMPA AS IT
10:01:02 DEALS WITH MORTGAGES AS FAR AS LOANS AND DILAPIDATED
10:01:08 BUILDINGS FOR DEMOLITION, HOUSING.
10:01:11 STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN IS COMING, BUT WITH THAT BEING
10:01:15 SAID, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM TO WORK THAT STRATEGIC
10:01:17 ACTION PLAN.
10:01:21 YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT ON A SHELF LIKE IT HAS DONE MANY,
10:01:21 MANY YEARS.
10:01:24 WHEN IT IS DONE HAVE THAT TEAM READY TO GO TO FIGHT ALL
10:01:29 OF THE ISSUES AND HAVE THAT ECONOMIC ENGINE COME WITH
10:01:29 THE BUSINESS DISTRICT.
10:01:31 EVERYBODY HAS A BUSINESS DISTRICT AND WE NEED TO HAVE
10:01:35 ONE AND WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, CHANGE OUR MODEL.
10:01:36 CHANGE WHAT WE ARE DOING.
10:01:39 WE ARE NOT TAKING PEOPLE'S HOMES AND HAVE A PROGRAM --
10:01:43 YOU HEARD ME FROM DAY ONE, THE POLICE OFFICERS,
10:01:48 FIREMEN, GARBAGEMEN, WHEN THEY SEE THE ITEMS NOT JUST
10:01:49 CITE IT UP.
10:01:51 FROM A BROCHURE.
10:01:55 [KNOCKING] -- KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
10:01:57 HOW CAN WE HELP YOU?
10:02:00 WE DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE LIVING BEHIND THE DOOR AND THE
10:02:01 CIRCUMSTANCES.
10:02:04 WE HAVE MONEY TO DEAL WITH ROOFS AND ALL KIND OF STUFF
10:02:06 BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE.
10:02:10 THE DIRECTOR FOR EAST TAMPA WILL BE ON BOARD BECAUSE TO
10:02:12 KNOCK ON THESE DOORS HAVE THE OFFICERS GIVE OUT
10:02:18 BROCHURES AND PAMPHLETS TO FIX THE ROOFS AND HOUSES
10:02:19 REPAIR.
10:02:21 UNTIL YOU FIX THE PROBLEM.
10:02:23 PEOPLE ARE VISUAL.
10:02:25 TAKE KIDS TO OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:02:28 WHEN THEY COME TO MY COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T ASK WHERE A
10:02:29 TRASH CAN AT.
10:02:33 WHEN THEY GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S -- I HATE TO USE THAT
10:02:36 ANALOGY BECAUSE IT IS BAD AND THE PSYCHE OF THE MIND.
10:02:38 BUT WE ARE VISIONARY PEOPLE.
10:02:41 STAFF IS WORKING ON ISSUES, MISS HART.
10:02:43 WE NEED TO DO MORE.
10:02:48 THINGS AND I ALSO WANT STAFF TO LOOK AT TO UPLIFT THE
10:02:50 COMMUNITY OF EAST TAMPA.
10:02:51 THANK YOU FOR COMING.
10:02:54 LETS RESIDENTS KNOW I AM WORKING EVERY DAY.
10:02:59 THIS COUNCIL IS BEHIND ME TO WORK TO GET THE PROBLEMS
10:03:00 SOLVED.
10:03:03 THE MAYOR IS GENUINE WANTING TO DO THE SAME THING.
10:03:07 WE NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND UNIFY AND GET THE MESSAGE.
10:03:08 THANK YOU FOR COMING IN MORNING.
10:03:11 >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
10:03:13 ALSO, Y'ALL, LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THE HOMELESS
10:03:14 POPULATION.
10:03:16 A SERIOUS HOMELESS ISSUE.
10:03:17 LET'S WORK ON THAT AS WELL.
10:03:19 THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
10:03:21 YOU SOON.
10:03:22 THANK YOU.
10:03:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:03:41 WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:03:44 >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
10:03:47 THIS CONSTANT ATTEMPT TO DIVIDE THE RESIDENTS OF EAST
10:03:53 TAMPA AS TO THOSE WHO ARE HOMEOWNERS, APARTMENT
10:04:00 RENTERS, DEVELOPERS, PEOPLE THAT MIGHT LIVE WITH GRAND
10:04:00 MAMA.
10:04:02 WE WANT TO STOP THAT.
10:04:05 WE LOVE ALL RESIDENTS OF EAST TAMPA.
10:04:11 WE WANT TO SEE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY UP LIFTED.
10:04:16 EAST TAMPA HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE.
10:04:19 BELMONT HEIGHT, JACKSON HEIGHT.
10:04:21 NOAH VIEW HILL.
10:04:29 A COMMUNITY THAT IS ALMOST -- YOU CAN FIND THOSE
10:04:32 COMMUNITIES ALMOST EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY AND ANY OTHER
10:04:32 CITY.
10:04:33 YOU KNOW WHY?
10:04:41 BECAUSE THINGS HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY DONE TO LEAD OUR
10:04:45 WHOLE COMMUNITIES FROM PROSPERING.
10:04:46 DON'T PUT IT ON THE PEOPLE.
10:04:49 ON YOUR AGENDA YOU HAVE WORDS IN ITEM NUMBER 7 AND 8
10:04:51 THAT YOU WANT TO LOOK INTO SOMETHING.
10:04:56 YOU WANT TO HAVE THINGS EXPLAINED TO YOU.
10:04:59 YOU WANT THE STAFF TO COME BACK AND REPORT.
10:05:03 I WOULD HOPE IT IS WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY.
10:05:08 SITTING IN EAST TAMPA AND BEING A CHAIR FOR THE LAST
10:05:12 NINE MONTHS HAS GIVEN ME AS AN ACTIVIST A CLEAR
10:05:16 UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THINGS ARE DELIBERATELY PUT ON
10:05:18 HOLD.
10:05:26 26 AVAILABLE LOTS THAT WAS PURCHASED WITH CRA MONEY HAS
10:05:28 BEEN LAID DORMANT.
10:05:29 WHY?
10:05:34 OF REFUSAL TO MOVE FORWARD BY STAFF.
10:05:36 AND, SO, YES, IT SOUNDS GOOD.
10:05:38 I KNOW THE MAYOR IS OUT THIS MORNING IN EAST TAMPA
10:05:43 PROMOTING A ONE HOUSE REBUILD WHEN SO MANY RESIDENTS IN
10:05:46 EAST TAMPA NEED HELP.
10:05:48 YOU CAN DO BETTER IF YOU WANTED TO.
10:05:53 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOUD MUSIC, I -- I COME TO THIS
10:05:56 COUNCIL EVERY WEEK AND HEAR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS TALKING
10:05:58 ABOUT SAME ISSUES.
10:06:02 WE AIN'T TALKING OF INCARCERATING OR SHUTTING DOWN
10:06:06 BUSINESS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPASSIONATE WORK WITH
10:06:07 PEOPLE.
10:06:10 WHEN WE TALK OF EAST TAMPA AND HEARD THE SAME BODY AND
10:06:14 LEADERSHIP THAT JUST LEFT TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WAS GOING
10:06:18 TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE KILLINGS IN EAST TAMPA.
10:06:21 WE LEAVE OUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE GOT A SERIOUS MENTAL
10:06:26 HEALTH CRISIS IN EAST TAMPA AS LONG AS -- ALONG WITH
10:06:28 SYSTEMIC POVERTY.
10:06:30 AND THE PRESIDENT UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:06:34 TO GET RID OF BOTH OF THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED?
10:06:39 BE INFUSION OF INCOME, WEALTH, JOBS, OPPORTUNITY FOR
10:06:42 BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.
10:06:45 INSTEAD OF JUST ONGOING RHETORIC.
10:07:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MISS BURTON.
10:07:04 >> AFRICAN QUEEN.
10:07:06 >> AND YOU ARE THE AFRICAN KING.
10:07:07 >> THANK YOU, SISTER.
10:07:08 I NEEDED THAT.
10:07:24 GOOD MORNING, MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:07:27 YOU KNOW WHAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS ARE, HISTORICALLY
10:07:31 WHAT HAPPENS IS ANY TIME YOU HAVE SERIAL RAPISTS,
10:07:37 SERIAL CHILD MOLESTERS, SERIAL PEDOPHILES, THEY INSERT
10:07:40 THEMSELVES RIGHT IN SOCIETY.
10:07:42 INSERT THEMSELVES RIGHT IN ORGANIZATIONS.
10:07:44 INSERT THEMSELVES IN THE INSTITUTIONS AND DO WHAT THEY
10:07:45 DO.
10:07:48 THE WHITE PEOPLE SITTING THROUGH WITH ORLANDO GUDES,
10:07:50 THEY ARE ALLOWING HIM TO INSERT HIMSELF.
10:07:54 THE WHITE PEOPLE WITH DIANE HART AND TALKING OF THE
10:07:58 NONSENSE OF PEOPLE PISSING ON THE SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE
10:08:04 GAMBLING AND POLITICIANS NOT TALKING OF REPARATIONS AND
10:08:07 POWER AND BLACK PEOPLE GETTING POWER, TALKING ABOUT
10:08:08 GARBAGE.
10:08:11 THE WHITE PEOPLE SITTING THROUGH AND ALLOW THEM TO PIMP
10:08:13 AFRICAN PEOPLE WITH THE SAME KNOWLEDGE THAT ALLOWED
10:08:16 PERRY HARVEY AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO SIT UP THERE AND
10:08:18 PARTICIPATE IN THAT NONSENSE.
10:08:23 Y'ALL ARE DISINGENUOUS AND Y'ALL ARE DISHONEST.
10:08:25 THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE.
10:08:28 THE GARBAGEMAN IN THE FORM OF ORLANDO GUDES SAYING HE
10:08:29 IS NOT AFRICAN.
10:08:31 THAN WHAT IS HE?
10:08:34 IF HE IS NOT AFRICAN LIKE THE GAY PEOPLE TO REPRESENT
10:08:40 THE HOMOSEXUAL AND INTEREST AND THEY COME OUT OF PUBLIC
10:08:43 SAY I AM NOT GAY, I DON'T REPRESENT YOUR INTERESTS.
10:08:46 I DON'T REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF AFRICA.
10:08:48 I NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA.
10:08:49 I AM BLACK.
10:08:51 MAN, GROW UP AND HAVE SOME SENSE.
10:08:54 BLACK POLITICIANS ARE NOT TALKING OF REPARATIONS.
10:08:59 BLACK POLITICIANS ARE NOT TALKING OF REAL BLACK POWER.
10:09:02 BLACK POLITICIANS TALKING OF NOON SENSE AND WHITE
10:09:05 POLITICIANS SITTING WITH THEM AND TALKING THE NONSENSE
10:09:07 WITH THEM.
10:09:08 GARBAGE TALKERS.
10:09:11 TALKING OF PEOPLE PISSING ON THE SIDEWALK AND PEOPLE
10:09:15 GAMBLING AND PEOPLE ARE ECONOMICALLY OPPRESSED.
10:09:20 WE HAVE BEEN ECONOMICALLY OPPRESSED FOR 621 YEARS.
10:09:23 AIN'T NOBODY TALKING OF REPARATIONS.
10:09:26 THE BLACK MAN IN DISTRICT 5 TALKING ABOUT BLACK
10:09:29 PEOPLE'S INTEREST WHERE WE EXPERIENCE POLICE VIOLENCE.
10:09:32 WE EXPERIENCE POLICE VIOLENCE AND HE VOTED LIKE A
10:09:33 POLICE SNITCH.
10:09:35 WE NEED HIM OUT OF OFFICE, Y'ALL.
10:09:36 WE NEED TO RECALL HIM.
10:09:37 THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
10:09:41 IF BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T TALKING REPARATIONS, IF BLACK
10:09:45 POLITICIANS ARE NOT TALKING BLACK POWER, THROW THEM OUT
10:09:47 OF OFFICE, EACH AND EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM FROM THE TOP
10:09:49 TO THE BOTTOM.
10:09:52 WEEK AFTER WEEK TALKING NONSENSE, GARBAGE.
10:09:54 REC CENTERS.
10:09:55 ROUNDABOUTS.
10:09:56 GARBAGE.
10:09:58 NOTHING MORE BUT GARBAGE.
10:10:01 OUR KIDS GETTING KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL.
10:10:04 OUR YOUTH GETTING PUT IN POLICE HANDS AND IN THE POLICE
10:10:08 STATE AND Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT, ROUNDABOUTS.
10:10:11 PEOPLE PISSING ON THE SIDEWALK, LOUD MUSIC.
10:10:15 Y'ALL ARE IGNORANT, IGNORANT BLACK, UGLY POLITICIANS.
10:10:16 THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE.
10:10:18 EACH AND EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU UGLY.
10:10:23 AND YOU SHOW IT.
10:10:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FIRED UP TODAY.
10:10:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE?
10:10:53 >> HELLO.
10:10:58 I AM SOVEREIGN DESPOT, HOLDER IN DUE COURSE.
10:11:04 KING JOHNNY BERNARD BOOTH HALL, UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE
10:11:06 1-308.
10:11:11 I AM THE NORTH AMERICAN HEAD LEADER.
10:11:12 I AM NOT A COMMERCIAL ENTITY.
10:11:15 I AM THE ACTUAL LIVING GOVERNMENT.
10:11:18 AND WATCHING ALL OF YOUR COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENTS.
10:11:22 AS YOU CAN SEE, YOUR BLACKS AND WHITES ARE GETTING MORE
10:11:25 FRUSTRATED, SO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REVEAL THE
10:11:28 TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.
10:11:31 LIKE -- OKAY.
10:11:35 WHITES AND BLACKS STILL CLASHING.
10:11:38 I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD THE WHOLE WORLD WAS
10:11:43 PLACED UNDER BABYLONIAN SLAVERY.
10:11:47 EVERY STATE, EVERY COUNTRY, EVERY PLACE YOU ARE.
10:11:50 YOU ARE DEALING WITH LEADERS FROM THE OLD WAY OF
10:11:54 THINKING THAT THEY ARE STILL HOLDING YOU UNDER SOME
10:11:57 BABYLONIAN LOCKDOWN THING THINKING THAT ALL OF YOU ARE
10:12:03 SINNERS AND AGAINST -- AND HAVE BEEN CHASING AFTER THE
10:12:13 WICKED WAYS OF RELIGION AND PROFIT.
10:12:17 OUT OF DECRONOID, WHAT YOU CALL MONEY, DOLLARS AND THIS
10:12:18 AND THAT.
10:12:21 NOT AWARE THAT REAL MONEY WAS NEVER ALLOTTED OR GIVEN
10:12:25 TO THE WORKERS OR GIVEN TO THE ENSLAVED OR ANYTHING
10:12:26 LIKE THAT.
10:12:28 EVERYTHING IS BORROWED LIKE HERE IN AMERICA.
10:12:30 ALL OF THE HOUSES ARE BORROWED.
10:12:33 ALL OF YOUR CARS ARE BORROWED.
10:12:38 INCLUDING YOUR MONEY AND THIS AND THAT.
10:12:42 WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS FROM YOU BUT DO NEED TO
10:12:46 GET ALONG AND START HELPING I'M OTHER AND STOP HURTING
10:12:50 EACH OTHER AND STOP DRAGGING AROUND HALF-TRUTHS AND
10:12:52 COME TOGETHER WITH FULL TRUTHS.
10:12:57 AFRICANS, YOU GUYS ARE CALLED NEW BEGINNINGS.
10:13:00 THAT BECAME AFRICA WHEN EUROPE TOOK IT OVER.
10:13:03 YOU ARE A NUBIAN.
10:13:05 WAKE UP TO WHO YOU ARE.
10:13:10 SAME THING WITH MY NATIVE-AMERICANS, INDIGENOUS, LIKE
10:13:17 ME, CHEROKEE, SEMINOLE, OUR HOUSEHOLDS ARE HERE TO HELP
10:13:21 RAISE YOU OUT OF THE FILTH AND DARKNESS THAT YOU ARE
10:13:22 STUCK IN.
10:13:25 WE DON'T MEAN NO HARM TO YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU RUN AROUND
10:13:28 SCARED AND FEARED THAT THAT IS WHAT THE DEAL WITH.
10:13:31 AS FAR AS MARY JANE, JOE BIDEN AND ALL OF THEM GO, THEY
10:13:35 ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TRANSITIONING Y'ALL FROM LOCKDOWN TO
10:13:37 ACTUAL FREEDOM.
10:13:40 YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING FREEDOM TALKS.
10:13:41 YOU ARE NOT FREE.
10:13:44 YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING INDEPENDENT TALKS.
10:13:46 YOU ARE NOT INDEPENDENT.
10:13:52 YOU GUYS ARE STILL STUCK UNDER THE EUROPEAN POWER.
10:13:53 YOU STILL AFRAID --
10:13:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:14:01 THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
10:14:03 >> THAT WAS THE FINAL SPEAKER.
10:14:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:14:06 ANYBODY REGISTERED, MADAM CLERK?
10:14:08 >>CLERK: YES, GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
10:14:14 THE FIRST SPEAKER IS KATHLEEN FARMIGON.
10:14:16 IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, UNMUTE YOURSELF YOU HAVE THREE
10:14:17 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:14:23 >> THANK YOU, MY NAME IS KATHY FARZANEGAN, A RESIDENT
10:14:25 OF DAVIS ISLAND.
10:14:26 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS MORNING.
10:14:30 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CITY STAFF FOR HOSTING A MEETING
10:14:35 ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT ISSUE, LACHONE DOCK AND ABBYE
10:14:38 FEELEY HAVE BEEN SO HELPFUL IN PARTICULAR OF ANSWERING
10:14:40 OUR QUESTIONS AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPRESS
10:14:41 OUR CONCERNS.
10:14:44 FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE ACTIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
10:14:48 ASSOCIATIONS, THE MICHELINI-LUM TEXT AMENDMENT RAISES
10:14:50 ALARM.
10:14:53 IT ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TO BYPASS THE EXISTING PROCESSES
10:14:57 RELATED TO LAND USE CODE AND RECEIVE BLANKET APPROVAL
10:15:03 TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES, DECREASE SETBACKS
10:15:05 BETWEEN BUILDINGS, AND BEFORE THE PROVISION WAS
10:15:08 REMOVED, EVEN TO RAISE THE HEIGHT OF POOLS TO GRAY,
10:15:13 MEANING YOUR NEIGHBOR'S NEW POOL COULD BE AT THE HEIGHT
10:15:15 OF YOUR SIX-FOOT FENCE.
10:15:18 THE SESSION THAT CITY STAFF HELD ALLOWED US TO COMMENT
10:15:21 ON THE ISSUES AND RESULTED IN THE REMOVAL OF SOME OF
10:15:22 THESE ITEMS.
10:15:25 OUR ABILITIES TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS IS CRITICAL AS
10:15:26 CITIZENS.
10:15:30 THE ONLY RATIONALE FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT SEEMS TO BE
10:15:34 TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR DEVELOPERS TO INCREASE THE MASS
10:15:36 OF THEIR BUILDINGS WITHOUT A WAY FOR NEIGHBORS TO
10:15:40 EXPRESS THEIR -- THEIR CONCERNS AND INTERESTS.
10:15:44 IT SEEMS PRUDENT, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO HEIGHT
10:15:48 AND MASS, TO WAIT TO MAKE CHANGES UNTIL THE RESULT OF
10:15:51 THE MASSING STUDY REQUESTED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
10:15:55 AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
10:16:00 I RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNCIL TO PROTECT YOUR NEIGHBORS'
10:16:02 RIGHTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
10:16:05 THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
10:16:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:16:12 >>CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER CAROLL ANN BENNETT.
10:16:17 CARROLL, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:16:20 >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
10:16:22 I WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
10:16:25 I COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.
10:16:28 IN ADDITION TO WHAT SHE IS SAID, I ASK YOU TO DROP THE
10:16:30 ADMINISTRATIVE LOT LOADS.
10:16:31 IT IS A BAD IDEA.
10:16:32 A SOLUTION WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
10:16:37 MORE THAN 5% IS TOO MUCH, AND AS ABBYE POINTED OUT, 5%
10:16:40 ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING.
10:16:43 THIS WILL ENCOURAGE MORE APPLICATIONS FOR REZONING, NOT
10:16:43 LESS.
10:16:46 YOU WILL GIVE THEM AN INCH, THEY WILL COME BACK ASKING
10:16:47 FOR A MILE.
10:16:50 THE NEW ARGUMENT WILL BE, IT IS HARDLY MORE THAN AN
10:16:52 ADMINISTRATIVE SPLIT.
10:16:56 IF THIS LOT WAS THREE FEET BIGGER, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
10:17:00 APPROVED AUTOMATICALLY.
10:17:03 SOME PEOPLE IN THE JUNE 7 INFORMATION MEETING WERE IN
10:17:04 FAVOR OF IT.
10:17:06 AS FAR AS I COULD TELL THOSE PEOPLE WERE BUILDERS.
10:17:09 ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO VOICED AN OPINION WERE
10:17:09 AGAINST IT.
10:17:11 CURRENTLY NEIGHBORS HAVE A VOICE.
10:17:13 PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT VOICE AWAY.
10:17:16 THAT PUBLIC MEETING WAS VERY HELPFUL AND CONVINCE $ME
10:17:17 OF TWO THINGS.
10:17:19 ONE, I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE TRUE EFFECT OF THE
10:17:22 AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED BY MR. LUM AND MR. MICHELINI EVEN
10:17:24 THOUGH I SAT THROUGHOUT WHOLE THING.
10:17:26 I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WILL CHANGE IF THE AMENDMENT
10:17:28 PASSES.
10:17:31 WHAT HAPPENS UNDER CURRENT CODE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN
10:17:32 UNDER THEIR MAIN CODE.
10:17:35 IF CITIZENS HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE INFORMATION THAN
10:17:37 THE CHANGES SHOULD NOT GO FORWARD.
10:17:40 THE SECOND THING I DECIDED AFTER THAT MEETING THAT
10:17:45 PRIVATELY INITIATIVE AGREEMENTS NEED TO BE ELIMINATED.
10:17:49 PROFESSIONALS WITH DEEP POCKETS TO CUSTOM TAYLOR THE
10:17:52 CODE FOR THEIR BENEFITS AND ALL THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE
10:17:54 NOT UNDER.
10:17:57 ITEM NUMBER 6 ON THE AGENDA SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS SO
10:18:00 CHILDREN CAN WALK TO SCHOOL SAFELY.
10:18:02 A SHAME THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WASN'T
10:18:05 REQUIRED DECADES AGO.
10:18:07 PLEASE MAKE THIS BUDGET PRIORITY WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
10:18:15 ITEM NUMBER 10, INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.
10:18:17 THERE IS NO TIME LEFT FOR TEMPORARY MEASURE SO LET IT
10:18:18 GO.
10:18:25 WHEN THE TIME COMES, PLEASE PASS THE MEASURE OF THE
10:18:29 COMP PLAN AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR BONUS DENSITY THAT
10:18:31 THEY HAVE TO DO ALL ALONG.
10:18:33 THIS PROPOSAL IS SO BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION I CAN'T
10:18:38 DECIDE WHICH SHAKESPEARE QUOTE TO USE, MUCH ADO ABOUT
10:18:43 NOTHING, A TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT.
10:18:53 DOROTHY GAIL IN KANSAS, LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS, OH,
10:18:53 MY.
10:18:55 AND SOG.
10:18:58 WATER, THERE IS GOOD GROWTH AND BAD GROWTH.
10:19:00 MANY DEVELOPERS PROMOTE THE HAIR ON FIRE APPROACH TO
10:19:01 GROWTH.
10:19:02 THAT IS BAD GROWTH.
10:19:06 IT IS GOOD PROFIT, BUT BAD GROWTH.
10:19:09 THOUGHTFUL, PLANNED, SUSTAINABLE, RESILIENT GROWTH THAT
10:19:12 DOES NOT OUTPACE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT DOES NOT
10:19:15 CRIPPLE THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WITH THE COST OF GROWTH,
10:19:18 THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO DRINK TOILET WATER.
10:19:20 THAT IS GOOD GROWTH.
10:19:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:19:28 >>CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE POYNER.
10:19:30 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:19:31 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:19:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, I CAN.
10:19:35 >> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.
10:19:37 IT'S HUGE AGENDA DAY, AND I WILL GO DOWN THE LIST.
10:19:41 YOU HAVE POSTPONED MR. SHELBY'S NUMBER TWO ITEM.
10:19:44 PLEASE GIVE MR. SHELBY HIS LIFE BACK AND GET RID OF IT.
10:19:47 NUMBER 4, PLEASE VOTE NO ON THAT.
10:19:49 NUMBER 5, I SENT YOU A VIDEO.
10:19:53 I SENT IT TO YOU TWICE WITH A PRESENTATION OF -- FROM
10:19:55 THE -- FROM THE 7TH OF JUNE.
10:19:58 SEVEN ITEMS THAT IMPACT THE ENTIRE CITY.
10:20:03 OF ALL THOSE ITEMS, ONLY ONE THAT I DO NOT OPPOSE IS
10:20:07 THE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR DUPLEXES IF THEY ACTUALLY
10:20:10 HAVE TWO-CAR DRIVEWAYS.
10:20:13 I CAN'T SPEAK TO NUMBER 8 AND NUMBER 9 BECAUSE I DON'T
10:20:16 KNOW ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE CRA.
10:20:21 I DID CONFIRM THAT THOSE WERE DISCUSSED WITH THE CRAS
10:20:24 AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.
10:20:26 NUMBER 6, VOTE YES.
10:20:28 THE SIDEWALK.
10:20:33 WEST SHORE ELEMENTARY WAS PROMISED YEARS AGO TO COME
10:20:36 FROM ENGLAND SO THE KIDS CAN GET TO SCHOOL ON TIME.
10:20:41 AMAZING HOW QUICKLY BAYSHORE CAN GET SIDEWALKS FOR THAT
10:20:45 COMMUNITY, BUT WE SEEM TO NOT FIND ANY MONEY TO DO
10:20:45 THESE OTHERS.
10:20:49 NUMBER 7, HUD HAS NO DEFINITION FOR ESSENTIAL OR
10:20:53 WORKFORCE HOUSING BUT NOT 500-SQUARE-FOOT APARTMENTS AT
10:20:56 $1100 A MONTH.
10:20:59 NUMBER 9, THE WATER THING, JUST SAY NO.
10:21:01 NUMBER 10, I THINK I AM TELLING YOU TO VOTE NO.
10:21:06 WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE IBCO OR OTHERWISE A
10:21:08 MORATORIUM, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
10:21:12 BUT -- TO SOG, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
10:21:16 TO HAVE A TRANSIT CORRIDOR BOUNDARY, A REASON WE HAVE A
10:21:17 BOUNDARY.
10:21:20 WHY WOULD ANYBODY EXTEND THAT.
10:21:24 I WON'T SPECULATE AND I CAN GUESSES, AND I AM GUESSING
10:21:27 THAT PEOPLE WITH PRETTY DEEP POCKETS, BUT CERTAINLY NOT
10:21:29 THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:21:32 I -- WE HAVE HEARD REPEATEDLY THAT SOG CANNOT BE
10:21:35 TREATED DIFFERENTLY, AND YET SOMEBODY THOUGHT IT WAS
10:21:38 GREAT IDEA TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT THE PEOPLE
10:21:41 OUTSIDE THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS CAN ACTUALLY BE TREATED
10:21:42 DIFFERENTLY.
10:21:44 HMM ... GO FIGURE.
10:21:49 LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, T.H.A.N., I WANT TO GIVE
10:21:52 YOU AN UPDATE, THE TAMPA HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS OF
10:21:53 NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:21:57 THEY ARE HAVING THEIR ELECTION ON ALL 14.
10:21:59 FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS
10:22:00 AND LISTENING TODAY.
10:22:02 PLEASE REACH OUT TO US.
10:22:05 WE HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE GROUP FOR THE COMMUNITY.
10:22:07 WE HAVE A NEW WEB SITE.
10:22:12 AND WE HAVE E-MAILS THAT ARE COMING OUT ON A FAIRLY
10:22:14 REGULAR BASIS AND WE ARE WORKING ON COMMUNICATE WITH
10:22:18 ALL CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HELPING THEM WITH
10:22:21 THEIR -- THEIR NEED THAT AFFECT EVERYBODY.
10:22:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:22:25 Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:22:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:22:31 >>CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:22:32 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:22:33 >> HELLO.
10:22:35 A BIG AGENDA FOR THIS WORKSHOP MORNING.
10:22:40 HELLO, EVERYBODY, I AM JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:22:42 I AM SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:22:43 SEVERAL ITEMS HERE.
10:22:45 TWO OR THREE HAVE BEEN POSTPONED.
10:22:50 WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT
10:22:50 AMENDMENT.
10:22:55 THAT IS ANOTHER THING.
10:23:00 LET'S SEE, ITEM NUMBER 4 -- EXCUSE ME.
10:23:03 THE LOTS, HAVING THAT DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
10:23:06 WE THINK THAT IS A VERY BAD IDEA.
10:23:09 IF SOMEONE NEXT DOOR TO ME WANTS TO SPLIT A LOT, I
10:23:11 SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT NOT PEOPLE IN THE
10:23:15 AUDIENCE THAT DON'T KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DO NOT
10:23:17 KNOW -- YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW THE DYNAMICS.
10:23:19 THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
10:23:23 AND CITY COUNCIL AND ZONING.
10:23:29 NUMBER 7 IS -- THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:23:32 I JUST THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A SMARTER WAY,
10:23:35 BUT PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS AND I
10:23:38 DON'T MEAN THAT IN A CONDESCENDING WAY.
10:23:42 I THINK THAT -- WHEN I WAS 15, I LIVED IN A STUDIO AND
10:23:46 IT WAS $400 A MONTH, ONE PAYCHECK WENT TO THE ELECTRIC
10:23:46 AND WATER.
10:23:49 THE NEXT PAYCHECK WENT TO RENT.
10:23:51 AND I DIDN'T EAT OUT.
10:23:53 I DIDN'T HAVE ANY BENEFIT.
10:23:56 NUMBER 8, COMPARING TAMPA TO CHICAGO.
10:24:00 I JUST REALLY -- THAT IRKS ME A LOT.
10:24:01 WE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN CHICAGO.
10:24:03 WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE CHICAGO.
10:24:07 SO WE NEED TO BUILD OUR MODELS ON WHAT WE THE CITIZENS
10:24:08 LIKE AND WHAT WE NEED.
10:24:10 NUMBER 9, TOILET TO TAP.
10:24:12 I SAID IT 100 TIMES.
10:24:17 JUST A BAD IDEA AND IF MR. DINGFELDER SAID, WE HAVE
10:24:18 ENOUGH WATER FOR 20 YEARS.
10:24:21 WHO IS GOING TO BENEFIT -- I AGREE, WHO IS GOING TO
10:24:22 BENEFIT.
10:24:25 FRANKLY IN 20 YEARS, WE DON'T KNOW IF TAMPA WILL BE
10:24:25 HERE.
10:24:29 UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE OVERBUILDING IN THE COASTAL HIGH
10:24:31 HAZARD AND OVERBUILDING IN THE PENINSULA AND OUR
10:24:35 POPULATION WILL PROBABLY BE REDUCED BY STORM SURGE AND
10:24:37 HURRICANE DECIMATION.
10:24:40 AND PEOPLE GETTING STUCK IN THEIR CARS TRYING TO LEAVE
10:24:41 THE PENINSULA.
10:24:45 NUMBER 10, THE MORATORIUM THEY SAID WE WANTED THAT.
10:24:48 IF THE NONMORATORIUM, MORATORIUM.
10:24:53 LIKE HE SAID IT HAS HAD ITS HEYDAY AND WE KNOW WHICH
10:24:57 ONES VOTED AGAINST IT AND WE WILL KEEP THAT IN MINDS.
10:24:59 YEAH, THAT IS ABOUT THE FULL AGENDA.
10:25:00 HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:25:02 AND BE SAFE.
10:25:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:25:05 >>CLERK: THANK YOU.
10:25:08 LAST SPEAKER WE HAVE A THOMAS CONNELLEY.
10:25:10 IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:25:16 >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN GUDES, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:25:18 TOM CONNELLEY PRESIDENT OF THE VIRGINIA PARK
10:25:21 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OF
10:25:27 ITEMS 3, 4 AND 5, THE E 2021-8 CHAPTER 27.
10:25:30 VIRGINIA PARK WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT THE PREVIOUS
10:25:33 SPEAKERS ALL SAID AND ASK THAT THE COUNCIL DO AWAY WITH
10:25:39 THE PITA, THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR
10:25:43 THE REASONS MANY SPEAKERS BEFORE ALREADY ARTICULATED.
10:25:46 ISSUES WILL BE WROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL OR LAND
10:25:49 DEVELOPMENT TO INITIATE AN AMENDMENT IF NEEDED,
10:25:51 PROPERLY STAFFED AND ALLOW THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE
10:25:55 AFFECTED AND STAKEHOLDER TO HAVE A SAY AT THE PUBLIC
10:25:57 HEARINGS.
10:26:00 I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE -- THE
10:26:04 PROPOSAL TO CHANGE ADMINISTRATIVE LOT SPLIT.
10:26:07 AS I STATED IN A LETTER SUBMITTED TO YOU PROPER TO
10:26:10 THIS, VIRGINIA PARK HAS PULLED ITS MEMBERSHIP.
10:26:15 AND WE ARE STRONGLY AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL TO ALLOW
10:26:20 ADMINISTRATIVE SPOTS -- LOT SPLITS AS STATED ON YOUR
10:26:25 AGENDA AND AS VERY WELL ARTICULATED BY THE PREVIOUS
10:26:26 SPEAKERS.
10:26:30 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK AS KATHLEEN DID THE CITY STAFF
10:26:32 AND YOU FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE TO TRY TO EDUCATE
10:26:39 US, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE VIDEO MEETING I
10:26:41 THINK WAS UNPRODUCTIVE IN ONE RESPECT THAT IT DID NOT
10:26:45 ALLOW A TRUE GIVING-AND-TAKE BETWEEN THE STAKEHOLDER
10:26:48 AND THE PRESENTERS.
10:26:51 ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE GOOD WORK
10:26:53 AND EFFORT YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
10:26:56 GOOD DAY.
10:26:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:27:00 >>CLERK: CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS
10:27:02 PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
10:27:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, DEPUTY CLERK.
10:27:08 I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE ON FLOOR TWO.
10:27:10 HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE DOWN THERE?
10:27:13 MR. MICHELINI.
10:27:16 >> YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:27:19 STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDERS
10:27:19 ASSOCIATION.
10:27:24 WE SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 10 AND
10:27:28 THE REVISITING OF THE MORATORIUM OR BY ANY OTHER NAME,
10:27:29 IT IS THE SAME.
10:27:33 THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN DEBATED.
10:27:35 WE INVESTIGATED THIS AS WELL AND PROVIDED YOU WITH
10:27:36 INFORMATION.
10:27:38 EVERY TIME THIS COMES UP, THE ISSUE REGARDING
10:27:45 EVACUATION OR SAFETY PLANS CONTINUE TO ARISE.
10:27:47 THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS TAMPA FIRE
10:27:51 RESCUE AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ALL WEIGHED IN
10:27:54 INDICATING TO YOU OF WRITTEN REPORTS THAT WE PROVIDED
10:27:56 FOR YOU AND ALSO I BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED
10:27:57 THAT AS WELL.
10:28:01 INDICATING THAT THERE ARE NO ISSUES REGARDING THAT,
10:28:03 THAT THERE ARE PLANS THAT ARE SUFFICIENT.
10:28:07 AND ARE PROVEN TO BE WELL -- WELL THOUGHT OUT AND WELL
10:28:10 PLANNED AND TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO
10:28:14 ISSUE AND EVEN ANTICIPATED THAT WOULD CAUSE INDIVIDUALS
10:28:17 NOT TO BE ABLE TO EVACUATE DURING THE TIME OF
10:28:22 EMERGENCY.
10:28:27 NO PRECEDENT ESTABLISHED FOR URGENCY TO ADOPT THIS.
10:28:30 ASSUMING FROM THE STAFF REPORT THAT PEOPLE WALK A
10:28:32 QUARTER OF A MILE, I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE NUMEROUS
10:28:37 SERVICE INDUSTRIES WITH MORE THAN A QUARTER MILE AND
10:28:41 WITHIN THE QUARTER MILE TO DRIVE TO A AND SCOOTER --
10:28:43 AND TRANSIT MEANS TO GET THERE.
10:28:47 SO THE STUDY ON THE FACE OF IT DOES NOT REALLY ADDRESS
10:28:48 THE ISSUE.
10:28:53 I THINK THAT THE EMPIRICAL DATA THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED
10:28:56 FROM THOSE AGENCIES, THE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, THE POLICE
10:28:59 DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS THE TRANSMIT THE DEPARTMENT
10:29:01 ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED IT.
10:29:05 NO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, WITH A MORATORIUM IN
10:29:07 THIS CASE AND ALLOW THE PROCESS TO WORK.
10:29:09 IT IS IN THE PROCESS NOW OF GOING TO THE PLANNING
10:29:12 COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION AND FOR INPUT AS WELL AS
10:29:13 STUDY.
10:29:16 AND WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN
10:29:20 INSTEAD OF ANOTHER INTERIM MEASURE THAT WOULD FURTHER
10:29:24 CONFUSE THE PROCESS AND ALSO SEND THE WRONG MESSAGE TO
10:29:27 THE COMMUNITY INCLUDING THOSE FINANCE INDIVIDUALS WHO
10:29:31 WERE TRYING TO MOVE HERE, INVEST HERE AND MAKE TAMPA A
10:29:32 BETTER PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK.
10:29:35 SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:29:39 AGAIN, YOU RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM ME AS WELL AS SOME
10:29:42 OTHER FOLKS OUTLINING THOSE ISSUES IN MORE DETAIL.
10:29:45 THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:29:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:29:56 ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
10:29:57 >> NO MORE SPEAKER AT THIS TIME.
10:29:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:30:01 GENTLEMEN WE WILL GO AHEAD -- WE ALREADY CONTINUED
10:30:03 ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 3.
10:30:05 GO TO ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:30:08 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED MR. SHELBY.
10:30:09 MISS ZELMAN IS HERE.
10:30:16 YES, SIR.
10:30:20 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD MORNING, ANDREW ZELMAN,
10:30:21 ASSISTANT DEPUTY ATTORNEY.
10:30:26 MR. SHELBY ASKED THAT I BE HERE JUST TO REMIND YOU ALL.
10:30:30 BACK IN APRIL WHEN GOVERNOR DESANTIS ISSUED 21-94
10:30:35 EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT EXTENDED THE STATEWIDE COVID STATE
10:30:40 OF EMERGENCY THAT BEGAN MARCH 9 OF 2020.
10:30:46 THAT ORDER, 21-94 EXTENDED THE STATEWIDE STATE OF
10:30:57 EMERGENCY FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS.
10:31:00 AT THAT TIME, THE GOVERNOR INCLUDED LANGUAGE IN THE
10:31:02 ORDER TO HAVE THE LAST EXTENSION.
10:31:05 THE REPAIR TO RESUME NONEMERGENCY OPERATIONS.
10:31:09 HE HAS MADE OTHER COMMENTS IN PUBLIC INDICATING THAT HE
10:31:14 WOULD NOT EXTEND THE STATEWIDE STATE OF EMERGENCY AFTER
10:31:16 THIS WEEKEND.
10:31:28 OF COURSE WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE KNOW CONTACTED MARLEY
10:31:35 WILKES TO CONTACT OTHERS IN TALLAHASSEE AND WILL LET
10:31:37 THE EMERGENCY ORDER TO EXPIRE.
10:31:39 AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO LOCALLY DERIVE
10:31:44 FROM AND FLOW DOWN FROM OUR BEING FOR A STATEWIDE STATE
10:31:45 OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT.
10:31:55 SO, AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT.
10:31:58 FRIDAY NIGHT AND THE STATEWIDE EMERGENCY WILL EXPIRE
10:32:02 AND WITH THAT, I WILL LET MR. SHELBY FOLLOW UP.
10:32:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MISS ZELMAN, MARTIN
10:32:11 SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.
10:32:14 2020-241 THAT THE EMERGENCY RULES OF PROCEDURES FOR THE
10:32:17 CONDUCT OF MEETINGS WITH THE USE OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA
10:32:22 TECHNOLOGY OR CMT TERMINATE AUTOMATICALLY WHEN THE
10:32:24 GOVERNOR'S DECLARATION OF THE STATE OF EMERGENCY
10:32:27 RELATING TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC EXPIRES.
10:32:30 THANK YOU.
10:32:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
10:32:39 SO MR. SHELBY, GO BACK TO THE LECTERN, PLEASE.
10:32:42 SO DURING OUR CONVERSATION, THAT TELLS ME WHEN IT
10:32:45 EXPIRES, WE ARE BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL, CORRECT?
10:32:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS YOUR RULES OPERATE AUTOMATICALLY,
10:32:50 YES, SIR, THAT IS TRUE.
10:32:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY COUNCILMEMBER WANT TO CHIME ON.
10:32:57 IF IT EXPIRES, I WILL CONSTRUCT MR. SHELBY AND THE
10:33:02 MAINTENANCE TO GO AHEAD, AND WE GO BACK TO BUSINESS.
10:33:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF IS THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL.
10:33:09 WE WILL DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS ON SATURDAY.
10:33:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
10:33:14 ANYBODY WANT TO SAY OR ADD AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT
10:33:17 BECAUSE WHEN IT EXPIRES, I WILL TELL MR. SHELBY FOR
10:33:20 STAFF TO GO BACK.
10:33:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.
10:33:25 >>BILL CARLSON: WE NEED TO GET BACK TO REGULAR RULES
10:33:26 AND BUSINESS.
10:33:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BACK TO NORMAL AS THINGS WORK.
10:33:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:33:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO, I THINK WE HAD SOME -- SOME
10:33:40 INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS IN TERMS OF OUR PROCESS AND
10:33:43 PROCEDURE THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS, YOU KNOW,
10:33:47 OTHERWISE TRAGIC EMERGENCY THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN
10:33:49 INVOLVED IN FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
10:33:53 SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:33:58 THE -- YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, IF FOLKS WANTED TO GIVE
10:34:04 US COMMENT, THEY HAD TO COME DOWN HERE AND, YOU KNOW,
10:34:10 SOMETIMES WAIT FOR HALF HOUR, HOUR OR MORE TO PROVIDE
10:34:15 COMMENT DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WOULD COMMENT ON.
10:34:19 IN THE INTERIM, WE DEVELOPED VARIOUS PROCESSES THAT
10:34:25 ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT TELEPHONICALLY OR IN
10:34:28 THE CASES -- IN THE CASE OF OUR ZONING CASES THEY ARE
10:34:33 ABLE TO COME IN THROUGH THE VIDEO OR ZOOM PROCESS.
10:34:40 AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH
10:34:43 THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE JUST SAY LET'S GO
10:34:44 BACK TO WHERE WE WERE.
10:34:50 BECAUSE IN THIS AGE OF TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, THAT --
10:34:54 THAT PROVIDES THE COMMUNITY A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO
10:34:57 BE ABLE TO GIVE US INPUT.
10:35:00 WHETHER OR NOT IT IS LEGISLATIVE OR ADMINISTRATIVE
10:35:05 MATTERS OR -- OR, LIKE I SAID WITH REZONINGS.
10:35:12 SO -- YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO
10:35:15 WHEN AND HOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, AND MR.
10:35:19 SHELBY PROCEDURALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO MODIFY
10:35:28 OUR RULES TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THAT OR IF THEY ARE
10:35:31 ALREADY CODIFIED AND PERMANENT.
10:35:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE.
10:35:35 OFF RESOLUTION CREATED SPECIFICALLY PURSUANT TO THE
10:35:37 STATE OF EMERGENCY.
10:35:42 AND THOSE RULES AS YOU HAVE BEEN OPERATING USES CMT
10:35:46 AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRE UPON THE EXPIRATION OF THE STATE
10:35:49 OF EMERGENCY, AND YOU REVERT BACK TO THE RULES OF
10:35:52 PROCEDURES AS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED BEFORE THE STATE OF
10:35:53 EMERGENCY.
10:35:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS MY POINT.
10:35:57 I THINK SOME OF THOSE RULES THAT WE HAD ADOPTED AS AN
10:36:01 INTERIM IN A TEMPORARY MEASURE THAT DO ENCOURAGE AND
10:36:04 FACILITATED, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD
10:36:08 BE KEPT IN FORCE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
10:36:10 AND I THINK THAT -- THAT IS A VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSION
10:36:18 FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE.
10:36:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO
10:36:22 PROCEED, SIR.
10:36:24 DISCUSSION IS GOOD.
10:36:25 I DON'T A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:36:29 WHEN THE ORDER EXPIRES AND ARE WE ARE BACK TO BUSINESS.
10:36:31 IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED
10:36:34 TO BE A VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
10:36:38 LETTING COUNCIL DISCUSSION IT.
10:36:40 MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:36:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY
10:36:45 AND THE STATE OF EMERGENCY AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE THAT
10:36:49 HAS BEEN INCURRED TECHNOLOGICALLY AND ALSO WITH REGARD
10:36:50 TO STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES.
10:36:57 FOR INSTANCE, THE TNI DEPARTMENT HAS -- HAS EXERTED A
10:37:00 LOT OF EFFORTS TO KEEP THIS UP AND RUNNING AND IT IS
10:37:04 CERTAINLY UP WORTHY OF DISCUSSION BUT ALSO IT COMES
10:37:06 WITH SOME COST.
10:37:09 IN ADDITION, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF THE LENGTH OF
10:37:12 YOUR MEETINGS AND LENGTH OF YOUR REZONINGS AND JUST IN
10:37:17 KEEP IN MIND THE USE OF CMT, WE HAVE LEARNED, ADDS
10:37:22 TIME, PHYSICAL LENGTH OF TIME TO THE CONDUCT OF YOUR
10:37:25 MEETINGS WHICH IMPACTS YOUR ABILITY TO WORK THROUGHOUT
10:37:26 CASES.
10:37:29 SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM NOT TAKING A POSITION ONE
10:37:32 WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT JUST TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION
10:37:34 TODAY WHEN THE STATE OF EMERGENCY EXPIRES, DO SO YOUR
10:37:41 RULES OF PROCEDURES GOVERNING THE USE OF CMT AND AGAIN
10:37:44 TODAY MEETING IS THE LAST MEETING BEFORE COUNCIL
10:37:46 RESUMES ON JULY 15.
10:37:49 SO WE JUST HAVE TO GOVERN OURSELVES ACCORDINGLY UNLESS
10:37:52 COUNCIL WISHES TO TAKE SPECIFIC DIRECTION TODAY.
10:37:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU RECOGNIZED, SIR, AND MR. VIERA.
10:37:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL REFER TO LUIS BECAUSE I
10:38:02 ALREADY SPOKE AND CIRCLE BACK AND RESPOND TO MR.
10:38:04 SHELBY'S COMMENTS.
10:38:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA.
10:38:07 >>LUIS VIERA: I HEARD SOME OF IT AND I HAD TO TAKE A
10:38:12 CALL ON A CONSTITUENT MATTER AND I WAS OVERHEARING IT.
10:38:15 ONE -- I SHOULDN'T SPEAK BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD THE
10:38:17 FULL DISCUSSION BUT KNOWING THE TOPIC.
10:38:19 I DON'T KNOW WHERE COUNCIL AND MAJORITY IS INCLINED TO
10:38:21 GO WITH THIS ON.
10:38:24 MR. SHELBY'S POINT ON TIME WHATNOT IS CERTAINLY
10:38:27 SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WELL TAKEN.
10:38:29 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
10:38:33 SOMETHING WE MAY CONSIDER AND I PUT THIS OUT HERE IF
10:38:37 YOU APPEAR VIRTUALLY IS FOR LESS TIME, JUST SO WE DON'T
10:38:39 -- JUST TO ADDRESS THE TIME ISSUE SO THE PEOPLE CAN
10:38:43 STILL HAVE ACCESS, RIGHT, FOR SOME MORE TIME IN THE
10:38:44 FUTURE.
10:38:47 JUST SOMETHING I THOUGHT OF WITHOUT LISTENING TO THE
10:38:47 FULL CONVERSATION.
10:38:51 JUST NEVER A SMART THING TO DO.
10:38:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY?
10:38:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CERTAINLY THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A
10:38:57 BRIEF CONVERSATION AND MAYBE TAKE IT UP IN A FUTURE
10:39:00 TIME, BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING AND MISS WELLS IS VERY
10:39:00 FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
10:39:07 THE USE OF CMT ALSO RAISES A LOT OF DEW POINT ISSUES.
10:39:11 AND ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOT CONFRONTED RELATIVE TO
10:39:14 QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IF IN
10:39:16 FACT WE DO CONTINUE THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE ISSUES THAT
10:39:20 HAVE REVEALED THEMSELVES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
10:39:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
10:39:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
10:39:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER AND THEN I WILL
10:39:27 COMMENT.
10:39:27 THANK YOU.
10:39:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE -- THE -- I KNOW IT GOES
10:39:38 WITHOUT SAYING THAT THAT WE ARE HERE TO REPRESENT OUR
10:39:42 CONSTITUENTS, OKAY.
10:39:45 AND THEY COME IN ALL FORM -- ALL SHAPES AND FORMS AND
10:39:46 SIZES, OKAY.
10:39:48 BUT THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE.
10:39:51 WE ARE NOT HERE TO CONVENIENCE OURSELVES, OKAY.
10:39:54 IF ANYTHING, WE SHOULD BE HERE TO CONVENES OUR
10:39:57 CONSTITUENTS.
10:40:01 IT HAS BEEN CLEARLY SHOWN THE INCONVENIENCE OF THE
10:40:04 CONSTITUENTS IN MANY, MANY OCCASIONS TO STAY HOME AND
10:40:05 USE CMT.
10:40:09 NOW, FRANKLY, I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL THOSE
10:40:11 CONSTITUENTS IF THEY WANT TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE, THEY
10:40:14 SHOULD ACTUALLY COME DOWN TO CITY HALL, BECAUSE
10:40:18 STANDING AT THAT PODIUM IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE ADVOCACY
10:40:22 THAN STAYING AT HOME.
10:40:25 BUT THAT IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
10:40:26 THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
10:40:29 BUT THE REALITY -- THE REALITY IS, IN MY -- IN MY
10:40:30 HUMBLE OPINION.
10:40:34 I THINK THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHOICE.
10:40:42 THEY -- WE HAVE CLEARLY SEEN THAT MANY, MANY PEOPLE
10:40:47 AND GIVEN OPINIONS IF GIVEN THE CMT OPTION.
10:40:48 I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
10:40:51 WHAT THE ENTIRE PUBLIC PROCESS AND NOTICE AND EVERYBODY
10:40:52 ELSE IS ABOUT.
10:41:01 NOT JUST FEEL GOOD NOT JUST THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE
10:41:04 PEOPLE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA BUT BECAUSE WE NEED THAT
10:41:07 FEEDBACK TO DO OUR JOB.
10:41:10 AND I FEEL -- I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
10:41:14 YOU KNOW, THAT CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG.
10:41:16 AND PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
10:41:19 I THINK TO TAKE IT AWAY, JUST BECAUSE, QUOTE, THE
10:41:22 GOVERNOR SAYS THE EMERGENCY IS DONE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I
10:41:28 THINK IT IS JUST WRONG.
10:41:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
10:41:34 WELL, MR. SHELBY, WHAT I WOULD ASK TO YOU DO IS GET
10:41:39 WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND REFERENCE TO THE FACTORS
10:41:44 INVOLVED WITH CONTINUING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION WITH
10:41:50 THE CMT AND GET WITH ALL COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:41:52 SO WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE DISCUSSION TO BRING THAT BACK
10:41:56 THAT WAS NARROWED DOWN AND TAILORED DOWN.
10:41:59 I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR EVERYONE'S OPINION, BUT MR.
10:42:00 DINGFELDER DOES HAVE A POINT.
10:42:02 A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CARS.
10:42:03 I HEAR THAT SOMETIMES.
10:42:05 I CAN'T GET DOWN THERE.
10:42:08 AND UNFORTUNATELY, COVID DID GIVE FOLKS AN OPTION TO
10:42:13 SPEAK TO COUNCIL.
10:42:18 SO I AM OPEN, BUT LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN TAYLOR IT.
10:42:20 GET WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
10:42:23 AND THEN GET WITH THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND BRING IT BACK
10:42:25 FOR A BRIEF DISCUSSION AND WE WILL TAKE IT UP FROM
10:42:25 HERE.
10:42:29 WE NEED TO MOVE ON FROM THIS POINT.
10:42:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IF
10:42:35 THE -- IF THE STATE OF EMERGENCY BY OPERATION OF YOUR
10:42:42 RESOLUTION AND BY OPERATION OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE
10:42:46 AND THE RESOLUTION ADOPTED, IF ON SATURDAY, THE
10:42:49 GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER IS NOT EXTENDED, THEN YOU
10:42:53 WOULD BE OPERATING AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE.
10:42:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:42:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE WILL NOT BE TOGETHER UNTIL THE
10:42:59 15TH.
10:43:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:43:04 IF IT HITS ON SATURDAY, WE ARE BACK TO BUSINESS AS
10:43:04 USUAL.
10:43:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN THE MEANTIME.
10:43:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN THE MEANTIME -- IF IT ENDS, WE ARE
10:43:10 BACK TO BUSINESS.
10:43:13 ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE RAISED A QUESTION FOR
10:43:15 DISCUSSION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO INSTRUCT YOU TO GET
10:43:19 WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, TO GET TO COUNCILMEMBERS AND
10:43:21 BRING THAT BACK FOR A BRIEF DISCUSSION IF WE NEED TO
10:43:24 CHANGE HOW WE DO BUSINESS IN THIS HOUSE OR CHANGE OUR
10:43:27 RESOLUTION AND CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE AS RULES AND
10:43:30 PROCEDURES, WE WILL DO THAT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME,
10:43:32 SIR.
10:43:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD.
10:43:34 THANK YOU.
10:43:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:43:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL RESPECTFULLY PROPOSE A
10:43:44 DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
10:43:47 I PROPOSE THAT WE LEAVE A STATUS QUO.
10:43:50 BY MOTION -- I WILL MAKE THE MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT WE
10:43:55 MODIFY OUR RULES AT LEAST ON TEMPORARY BASIS TO LEAVE
10:43:56 THE STATUS QUO.
10:44:01 TO LEAVE THE CMT IN PLACE UNTIL WE CAN HAVE THAT
10:44:05 DISCUSSION AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD EITHER MODIFY THEM,
10:44:27 LEAVE THEM IN PLACE AND BY MOTION TODAY OBVIOUSLY IF
10:44:29 THE EMERGENCY IS GOING TO BE GOING AWAY THAT I THINK AT
10:44:32 LEAST ON A TEMPORARY BASIS -- WE HAVE GIVEN NO NOTICE
10:44:33 TO THE COMMUNITY WHATSOEVER.
10:44:36 I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY
10:44:38 SAYING, THIS WASN'T EVEN ON THE AGENDA.
10:44:41 I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE
10:44:43 HAVE JUST BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT FROM THE GOVERNOR,
10:44:43 OKAY.
10:44:46 BUT IT IS NOT EVEN ON THE AGENDA AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
10:44:50 CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME AND COME BACK MID-JULY AND
10:44:52 ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE THINK THEY WILL PARTICIPATE FROM
10:44:53 HOME AND THEY ARE NOT.
10:44:56 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ZONING HEARINGS THAT THEY THOUGHT
10:44:57 THEY COULD PARTICIPATE.
10:44:58 AND THEY CAN'T.
10:45:01 I THINK THE MORE PRUDENT APPROACH WOULD BE TO LEAVE
10:45:06 WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TEMPORARILY UNTIL WE CAN HAVE
10:45:06 THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
10:45:10 NOT TURN OFF THE SWITCH RIGHT NOW WITHOUT HAVING THOSE
10:45:11 DISCUSSIONS.
10:45:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T THINK SO WE CAN.
10:45:14 MR. SHELBY, I HAVE TO DETERMINATE.
10:45:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S ASK MR. SHELBY PROCEDURALLY.
10:45:19 YOU HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING, MARTIN.
10:45:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:45:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AM I -- WE CONTROL OUR RULES.
10:45:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:45:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE THE ABILITY, I THINK, TO
10:45:34 MODIFY THOSE RULES AND ALLOW CMT EVEN WITHOUT THE
10:45:38 GOVERNOR'S PETITION MISSION OF EMERGENCY POWERS.
10:45:38 DON'T WE?
10:45:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS OF RIGHT NOW I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED
10:45:45 IT SEEING WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITH REGARD TO THAT.
10:45:47 I WAS OPERATING UNDER THE STATE OF EMERGENCY RULES AS
10:45:48 THEY EXISTED.
10:45:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE SOMETHING THAT YOU AND MISS
10:45:55 ZELMAN CAN LOOK AT AND WE CAN GET BACK TO IT TONIGHT.
10:45:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: PERHAPS.
10:45:58 BUT YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF
10:45:58 POSSIBLE.
10:46:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS MY MOTION TO BE ABLE TO DO
10:46:03 IS IT IF POSSIBLE, IF LEGALLY POSSIBLE.
10:46:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
10:46:09 >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL SECOND IT, IF I MAY, THAT MOTION.
10:46:12 I THINK IT IS WELL TAKEN BECAUSE IT IS CORRECT THAT A
10:46:14 LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS IS BEING TAKEN AWAY AND
10:46:18 TO MERELY EXTEND THAT RIGHT UNTIL WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
10:46:21 EITHER ADDRESS IT BY TAKING AWAY DOING A COMPROMISE OR
10:46:23 TAKING IT AWAY AS IS.
10:46:26 OUGHT TO BE BETTER NOTICE FOR FOLKS THAT ARE REASONABLY
10:46:27 RELYING ON THAT.
10:46:31 AND WE SHOULD PROMPTLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN THE
10:46:33 MEANWHILE, BUT I AM GLAD TO SECOND THAT.
10:46:38 I THINK THAT IS WELL TAKEN, I WOULD SAY.
10:46:40 >> MR. SHELBY, WE WILL NOT TURN THAT OVER UNTIL
10:46:40 TONIGHT.
10:46:42 IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THE
10:46:45 DECISION NOW TO MOVE TONIGHT AGENDA IF THAT THE
10:46:46 PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL.
10:46:48 MR. DINGFELDER, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT MOTION ON THE
10:46:49 FLOOR.
10:46:51 IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW AND
10:46:54 TAKE THE VOTE AND GO FROM THERE AND WE WILL MOVE ON.
10:46:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TIME FLEXIBLE TO PUT IT OFF UNTIL
10:46:59 TONIGHT SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT LEGAL INFORMATION IS
10:47:01 AVAILABLE.
10:47:04 MR. SHELBY INDICATED.
10:47:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THERE IS A LEGAL IMPEDIMENT, I
10:47:10 ASSURE YOU I WILL INFORM COUNCIL.
10:47:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
10:47:14 AND MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU WISH.
10:47:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER HAS MADE A MOTION.
10:47:19 MR. VIERA SECONDED IT.
10:47:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I CAME
10:47:23 IN BETWEEN THE DISCUSSIONS HERE.
10:47:27 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER 4 ON THE 5% AND 10%?
10:47:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, SIR.
10:47:32 MR. SHELBY CAME UP TO TALK WITH MISS ZELMAN OF THE
10:47:34 EXECUTIVE ORDER --
10:47:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT PART I HEARD.
10:47:38 THE GOVERNOR DECIDED WE HAVE UNTIL SATURDAY.
10:47:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT I AM PROPOSING ON A TEMPORARY
10:47:45 BASIS, MR. MIRANDA, IS THAT WE LEAVE THAT -- WE LEAVE
10:47:50 THE COMMUNITY WITH THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE.
10:47:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HEARD THAT PART.
10:47:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS THE MOTION.
10:47:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR.
10:47:58 DINGFELDER AND SECOND BY MR. VIERA.
10:48:00 TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS.
10:48:02 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:48:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:48:08 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
10:48:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I SAY THIS IN JEST -- AND
10:48:15 IT IS AN OLD SAYING FROM SOME OF MY BROTHERS THAT SAY
10:48:19 IF YOU WANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE, TELEPHONE,
10:48:29 TELEGRAPH, -- ALL OF US AND ALL OF OUR LEGISLATIVE
10:48:36 AIDES READ HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
10:48:41 WE ANSWER HUNDREDS OF PHONE CALLS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS
10:48:48 AND HAVE BEEN, EVEN DURING THE PANDEMIC.
10:48:51 I AM -- I AM GOING TO VOTE NO ON THIS.
10:48:53 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:48:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
10:48:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:49:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO VOTE YES ON IT.
10:49:04 MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON, CITRO AND MIRANDA VOTING
10:49:07 NO.
10:49:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:49:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:49:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:49:17 >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE END UP DELAYING -- MARTY, IF WE
10:49:20 END UP DELAYING OR CONTINUING THIS, I FEEL STRONGLY
10:49:27 THAT WE SHOULD ONLY DO VIDEO AND AUDIO CMT, NOT SWITCH
10:49:28 BACK AND FORTH.
10:49:35 I KNOW IT IS MORE LABOR INTENSIVE, BUT AS MR. CITRO
10:49:39 SAID, IT IS NOT TO EDUCATE US BECAUSE WE TAKE HUNDREDS
10:49:41 OF CALLS AND E-MAILS A WEEK.
10:49:44 THE PURPOSE IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC
10:49:47 THROUGH THIS PLATFORM, AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
10:49:52 -- IF CMT IS A PROXY FOR BEING HERE IN PERSON THAN WE
10:49:54 SHOULD LOOK LIKE AS IF IT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS IF
10:49:57 SOMEONE IS HERE IN PERSON WHICH IS AUDIO AND VIDEO.
10:50:03 THANK YOU.
10:50:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG, ITEM
10:50:13 4.
10:50:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER AND MIRANDA'S.
10:50:20 LEGAL TO SPEAK ON THAT.
10:50:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I CAN CUT
10:50:25 THIS SHORT FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT SINCE THIS WAS MY
10:50:27 MOTION.
10:50:32 AND IF MR. MIRANDA DIFFERS, I AM SURE WE WILL HEAR.
10:50:35 I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
10:50:38 STAFF HAS RESPONDED TO US AND SAID THAT IT WOULDN'T
10:50:42 REALLY CHANGE IT -- MUCH OF ANYTHING ESPECIALLY AT THE
10:50:45 5% LEVEL.
10:50:50 THE -- THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN TO THIS AND SEEMS TO BE
10:50:53 WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGAINST THIS IDEA AND THEY JUST WANT TO
10:50:58 LEAVE THE STATUS QUO IN TERMS OF THE REZONINGS -- YOU
10:51:01 KNOW THE REZONINGS AND LOT SPLITS AND THAT SORT OF
10:51:01 THING.
10:51:04 THEY TOLD US THAT -- THEY LIKE WHAT IT IS AND WOULD
10:51:08 LIKE TO COME TO COUNCIL AND TELL US WHY THEY LIKE OR
10:51:10 DON'T LIKE THE PARTICULAR LOT SPLITS.
10:51:14 WITH THAT, I AM NOT -- I AM NO LONGER IN SUPPORT OF
10:51:17 ITEM 4, AND WOULD JUST MOVE TO STRIKE IT.
10:51:21 BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THERE ARE FOLKS TO SPEAK TO IT, THAT
10:51:22 IS FINE TOO.
10:51:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FROM
10:51:28 STAFF?
10:51:30 >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:51:31 ABBYE FEELEY.
10:51:36 WE DID BRING THIS ITEM PER THE MOTION OF COUNCIL TO A
10:51:39 WORKSHOP ON MAY 25.
10:51:43 AND WE HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THERE IN RELATION TO
10:51:45 THAT.
10:51:48 WE WERE DIRECTED BY COUNCIL TO PRESENT THIS AS OUR
10:51:52 PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION ON JUNE 7 WHICH WE DID.
10:51:56 WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL COMMENTS.
10:51:59 AND I DID JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY REPORT ON THAT.
10:52:02 SO IF I COULD POSSIBLY SHARE MY SCREEN.
10:52:12 I HAVE TWO QUICK SLIDES I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU.
10:52:16 WE HAD.
10:52:21 DO I NEED TO GET PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN?.
10:52:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I.T., CAN YOU HELP HER SHARE HER
10:52:30 SCREEN?
10:52:32 THANK YOU.
10:52:40 CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN?
10:52:41 WONDERFUL.
10:52:44 SO I JUST WANTED TO REPORT BACK ON THE PUBLIC
10:52:45 INFORMATION SESSION BRIEFLY.
10:52:51 WE DID HAVE 31 REGISTRANTS AND WE HAD 29 ATTENDEES.
10:52:54 WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE THE TEMPERATURE AND KIND OF GAUGE
10:53:00 THE BAROMETER ON WHERE PEOPLE WERE.
10:53:03 WE HAD FIVE ATTENDEES DIRECTLY COMMENT WHEN WE BROUGHT
10:53:11 THE ITEM UP AND YOU CAN SEE THE COMMENTS THERE.
10:53:14 5% OF THE SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WILL ALLOW FOR A 54 FEET
10:53:19 AND ONE IN SUPPORT OF THE 5% HAD NO DIRECT COMMENT AND
10:53:22 WE HAD TWO PARTICIPANTS TO INDICATED THEY WERE IN
10:53:27 SUPPORT OF THE 150%.
10:53:32 SO I WANTED TO BRIEFLY REPORT ON THAT AND AT THE
10:53:36 WORKSHOP PRESENTED 22 CASES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
10:53:41 12 OF THEM WERE EUCLIDIAN AND WENT FROM AN RS-60 TO A
10:53:46 RS-50.
10:53:52 SO OF THE 12 EUCLIDIANS OF THE 10% GRANTED BY COUNCIL.
10:53:59 AND IN RELATION TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
10:54:04 2% WERE WITHIN 10% OF THE LOT WIDTH FIREFIGHTER FIVE
10:54:09 WERE WITHIN 5% OF THE LOT AREA A 50 X 98 LOT WHERE THEY
10:54:22 DON'T HAVE THE DEPTH AND THEY HAVE THE AREA AND
10:54:26 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER ASKED IF WE COULD REPORT ON 22
10:54:33 AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN ON THAT AS WELL.
10:54:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
10:54:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT
10:54:43 YOU, ABBYE AND YOUR TEAM PUT IN TO REFILE THAT TO ITEM
10:54:45 NUMBER 4.
10:54:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
10:54:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BRING UP SOME ITEMS.
10:54:53 IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT MISS ABBYE IS SPEAKING ABOUT WITH
10:54:57 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, SEVEN-FOOT SETBACK, RIGHT,
10:55:01 ASSUMING THAT IS WHAT IT IS, CORRECT.
10:55:05 YOU HAVE SEVEN-FOOT SETBACK AND 84 INCHES.
10:55:12 YOU HAVE 5% OF 84 INCHES, COME DOWN TO 4.2 INCHES.
10:55:17 THE 10% LOT WIDTH 10% OF WHAT, 84 INCHES WHICH WOULD BE
10:55:18 8.4 INCHES.
10:55:21 SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INCHES HERE.
10:55:26 AND SOMETIMES HALF AN INCH OR 4/10 OF AN INCH.
10:55:30 WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT 5% OF THE TOTAL LOT WIDTH OF AN
10:55:30 AREA.
10:55:34 A BUILDABLE LOT IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET IN SOME AREAS.
10:55:37 DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SIZE OF THE AREA IS IN DIFFERENT
10:55:42 AREAS AND 5% OF SOMETHING AND THAT WILL BE 500 SQUARE
10:55:47 FEET OF 10% AND 5% WOULD BE 250 SQUARE FEET OF THAT
10:55:47 LOT.
10:55:52 AND SOME AREAS YOU HAVE LOTS THAT ARE -- NOT DECIDE AND
10:55:56 I MENTION AND HEARD 98 FEET DEEP.
10:55:58 AND THIS HAPPENS IN A LOT OF AREAS AND SOME LIKE THAT
10:56:00 IN WEST TAMPA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
10:56:05 SO BEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE, YOU HAVE 100 FOOT WIDTH WITH
10:56:09 98-FOOT DEPTH AND IT WAS ZONED THAT WAY YEARS BACK AND
10:56:11 SOMETIMES THERE IS A HOUSE OR TWO.
10:56:13 SOMETIMES IT IS ONLY ONE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
10:56:14 LOT.
10:56:16 SO A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.
10:56:20 AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE SAYING I GIVE UP.
10:56:22 BUT I DON'T GIVE UP.
10:56:23 IT DOESN'T MATTER.
10:56:26 AND IT IS ABOUT WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO.
10:56:28 AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT.
10:56:31 THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
10:56:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
10:56:38 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ASKED FOR A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
10:56:38 FILE.
10:56:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RECEIVE AND FILE.
10:56:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND FROM MR. MANISCALCO.
10:56:44 ANY FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED?
10:56:49 MOTION CARRIES.
10:56:51 >>ABBYE FEELEY: JUST BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT THIS
10:56:54 DISCUSSION, IN RELATION TO THE CREATION OF IT, THE
10:56:56 ADMINISTRATIVE LOT
10:55:43 WE WOULD NOT BE BRINGING ANYTHING BACK TO YOU AND THAT
10:56:57 MATTER WOULD BE CLOSED AT THIS TIME.
10:56:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
10:57:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE MOTION.
10:57:03 THANK YOU.
10:57:03 >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
10:57:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:57:07 >>LACHONE DOCK: LACHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
10:57:11 MANAGEMENT.
10:57:11 COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:57:15 THIS ITEM IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
10:57:18 THE APPLICANTS ARE STEVEN MICHELINI AND JOHN LUM.
10:57:24 THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN IN THE PRIVATELY INITIATED, THE
10:57:27 APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A BACKGROUND REGARDING
10:57:29 THIS REQUEST AND THEY WILL ALSO MAKE THE PRESENTATION
10:57:31 TODAY.
10:57:32 ALSO, COUNCIL, I AM ON THE LINE.
10:57:35 I AM AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
10:57:38 WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STEVE MICHELINI.
10:57:41 HE IS IN PERSON AND I BELIEVE HE IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
10:57:43 HE IS READY TO START HIS PRESENTATION.
10:57:46 AND COUNCIL, I THANK YOU.
10:57:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:57:49 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:57:50 >>STEVE MICHELINI: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:57:54 STEVE MICHELINI.
10:57:55 THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS STARTED OFF A LITTLE OVER FOUR
10:57:58 YEARS AGO, AND THEY CAME ABOUT FROM A SERIES OF MEETINGS
10:58:03 WITH THE CITY STAFF --
10:58:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND, STEVE, AND I
10:58:08 APOLOGIZE.
10:58:09 AS I LOOK AROUND AT MY DESK IN FRONT OF ME, MR. CITRO,
10:58:14 MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. MIRANDA -- WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MR.
10:58:18 MIRANDA.
10:58:19 MR. MIRANDA LOOKS LIKE HE HAS IT.
10:58:21 I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN
10:58:24 FRONT OF ME, IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU ARE
10:58:27 PROPOSING.
10:58:28 AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
10:58:29 BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT IF WE ARE TALKING
10:58:33 ABOUT TEXT AMENDMENTS --
10:58:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE IT EITHER.
10:58:37 I WAS LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE.
10:58:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANYWAY, WE ARE SORT OF AT A
10:58:41 DISADVANTAGE.
10:58:41 MAYBE WE CAN SKIP THAT ITEM, STEVE, UNTIL SOMEBODY CAN
10:58:45 GIVE US COPIES OF YOUR PROPOSED CHANGES AND THEN WE CAN
10:58:47 COME BACK TO IT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:58:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE FINE.
10:58:51 WE DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF US, AND HE'S TRYING TO
10:58:55 EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO US.
10:58:56 CAN YOU STICK AROUND?
10:58:58 MAYBE WE'LL GET STAFF TO GET US A COPY OF WHAT YOU HAVE
10:59:01 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT.
10:59:02 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
10:59:03 I WILL BE HAPPY TO THANK YOU, SIR.
10:59:06 WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6.
10:59:07 >>VIK BHIDE: DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
10:59:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN WE GET THE VOLUME UP A LITTLE BIT
10:59:16 HERE?
10:59:19 ONE SECOND, MR. BHIDE.
10:59:25 TRY IT NOW.
10:59:25 >>VIK BHIDE: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:59:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO AHEAD.
10:59:32 >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU.
10:59:34 SO I AM HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 6, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
10:59:41 CARLSON AND CITRO.
10:59:43 REGARDING A REQUEST FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO STUDY
10:59:48 THE POSSIBILITY OF INSTALLING CROSSWALKS PARTICULARLY
10:59:52 AROUND SCHOOLS.
10:59:54 AGAIN, I THANK YOU, COUNCILMEN, FOR BRINGING THIS UP
10:59:59 AGAIN.
11:00:00 IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AROUND SIDEWALKS.
11:00:03 HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND WE
11:00:07 WILL BE PRESENTING, AND IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN.
11:00:18 AND CAN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION?
11:00:27 CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SLIDE?
11:00:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
11:00:32 >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU.
11:00:33 AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.
11:00:35 THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC, CERTAINLY.
11:00:39 AS WE HEARD FROM REPRESENTATIVE EARLIER TODAY SHE
11:00:45 MENTIONED IMPORTANCE OF PARTNERSHIPS AND WHAT ACCESS OF
11:00:49 OUR PROGRAM WE CAN IMPROVE THROUGH BETTER PARTNERSHIPS.
11:00:52 AND I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE ONE SEVERAL INITIATIVES FOR
11:00:59 PARTNERS.
11:00:59 THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE MPO AND THROUGH THE UNIFIED
11:01:03 PLANNING WORK PROGRAM, THE MPO BOARD AND SOME OF YOU AS
11:01:08 WELL HAVE THE MPO STUDIES SCHOOL SAFETY AND THE NEED FOR
11:01:15 SIDEWALK, WHICH IS BUILDING UPON AN EFFORT THAT HAS
11:01:19 ALREADY STARTED, AND SO WE WILL BE INITIATING THAT WITH
11:01:22 THE MPO, SO THE TIMING OF THIS MOTION IS GREAT.
11:01:26 ALSO, WE HEARD THROUGH THE COMMUNITY LIKE SIDEWALKS
11:01:31 NUMBERS THAT WE SHOULD WORK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD A
11:01:34 LITTLE BIT BETTER AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO SHARE
11:01:39 DATA.
11:01:39 I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN AN EFFORT
11:01:42 UNDERWAY ALONG OUR VISION COORDINATOR IS WORKING WITH THE
11:01:47 SCHOOL BOARD AND WORKING WITH MOU THAT WILL ALLOW US TO
11:01:52 SHARE DATA WITH SCHOOLS BETTER TO UNDERSTAND NEEDS BY
11:01:59 INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS RATHER THAN HAVING ONE SIZE FITS ALL
11:02:03 APPROACH.
11:02:04 WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE COUNTY, AND
11:02:06 COORDINATING SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM, AND OTHER
11:02:12 SIDEWALK IMPROVING LOCATIONS AS WELL, AND OF COURSE WE
11:02:16 CONTINUES TO WORK WITH FDOT, DISTRICT 7 RECENTLY
11:02:20 APPOINTED A SAFETY AMBASSADOR WHOSE SOLE FOCUS IS
11:02:24 ELEVATING SAFETY NEEDS, PARTICULARLY WALK/BIKE NEEDS UP
11:02:29 TO THE DISTRICT LEVEL AND WE MET WITH THAT TEAM
11:02:35 YESTERDAY.
11:02:35 SO WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS.
11:02:37 WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR STATE AS WELL AS FEDERAL
11:02:42 REPRESENTATIVES TO BRING FORTH THE ISSUES AND CRITICAL
11:02:45 NEEDS AROUND SIDEWALKS TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL
11:02:49 GOVERNMENT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONVENING PARTNERSHIPS
11:02:53 IN THAT AREA.
11:02:55 I AM GOING TO WALK THROUGH VARIOUS INITIATIVES THAT WE
11:02:58 HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKING FOR SIDEWALKS, PARTICULARLY AROUND
11:03:03 SCHOOLS.
11:03:06 AND STUDY CONSIDERATIONS THAT I JUST MENTIONED.
11:03:16 FROM A GUIDANCE PERSPECTIVE, IT STARTS WITH THE UNIFORM
11:03:24 CONTROL DEVICES THAT RECOMMENDATIONS OR TREATMENTS OF
11:03:27 SCHOOL ROUTES, PARTICULARLY WALK ROUTES.
11:03:32 SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT THIS IS A BROAD
11:03:36 SENSE, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO WORK THROUGH THE NATIONAL
11:03:39 ASSOCIATION OF CITY TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS TO SEE IF WE
11:03:42 CAN GET BETTER DOCUMENTS FROM THE MOU THAT FOCUSES ON
11:03:52 BIKE AND WALK ISSUES.
11:03:53 SO WE ARE PART OF THIS MOVEMENT ALONG WITH OVER 100
11:03:58 CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND REQUESTING THE FEDERAL
11:04:00 GOVERNMENT TO RECONSIDER THE MANUAL.
11:04:03 SOME OF OUR KEY INITIATIVES THAT BRING SAFETY
11:04:10 PARTICULARLY IN SCHOOL AREAS ARE LISTED HERE, AND WE WILL
11:04:13 WALK THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
11:04:15 PLEASE KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR PRIORITIES, PARTICULARLY IN
11:04:21 THE MOVE PROGRAM, SCHOOL RESULTS ARE AT THE HIGHEST
11:04:28 PRIORITY.
11:04:34 SO THIS IS WHAT WE DID THROUGH THE PANDEMIC
11:04:49 THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO IMPROVE SAFETY
11:04:54 PARTICULARLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN SOME CASES OUR
11:04:56 COLLECTOR ROADS AS WELL.
11:04:58 WE PRIORITIZED SCHOOLS.
11:05:00 WE LOOKED AT CRASHES, PARKS, ALSO WHY CHILDREN FREQUENT,
11:05:08 AND OF COURSE WE LOOKED AT OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT
11:05:11 AUGMENT THE 4-WAY STOP INSTALLATION.
11:05:14 WE HEARD AN EXAMPLE OF THAT AS WELL.
11:05:16 THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN RECEIVED PRETTY WELL BY THE
11:05:19 COMMUNITY, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SUPPORT
11:05:22 THIS THROUGH OUR PROGRAM.
11:05:28 WE HAVE THE CROSSWALK PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE A RUNNING
11:05:31 LIST OF CROSSWALK LOCATIONS WHERE SCHOOL WALKABILITY AND
11:05:37 ALSO AWARENESS OF MOTORISTS AND OTHER MODES OF
11:05:40 TRANSPORTATION, PEDESTRIANS WITHIN THE WALKWAY, THROUGH
11:05:44 SIGNAGE, THROUGH APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT OF THE CROSSWALK,
11:05:46 AND AGAIN WE PRIORITIZE SCHOOLS, WE LOOK AT CRASHES,
11:05:52 PARKS AND OTHER AREAS.
11:05:54 BUT SCHOOLS ARE ALWAYS THE HIGHER PRIORITY.
11:05:58 RECENT IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE MADE NEAR SCHOOLS,
11:06:02 ALEXANDER ELEMENTARY AND SHAW ELEMENTARY, AGAIN,
11:06:05 EVERYTHING FROM NEW CROSSWALKS, ACCESS, AND WE CONTINUE
11:06:11 TO WORK ON THESE INITIATIVES.
11:06:15 ALSO, WE HAVE, AS YOU ARE AWARE, CROSSWALKS TO CLASSROOMS
11:06:20 PROGRAM, THIS IS VERY POPULAR.
11:06:22 WE REQUEST REQUESTS FROM MANY SCHOOLS TO HAVE THIS
11:06:24 INSTITUTED IN THEIR SCHOOLS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO EVERY
11:06:28 SCHOOL IN THE CITY SHOULD THE FUNDING ALLOW THAT.
11:06:34 THIS INCREASES PARTICIPATION FOR OUR STUDENTS, FOR OUR
11:06:42 CHILDREN, AND ALSO INCLUDES ACCESS WHILE WE DO THAT.
11:06:45 WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THIS PROGRAM, AS I SAID, AND WE
11:06:51 LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
11:06:54 WE HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED THE MOVES AND ACCESS.
11:07:03 HERE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER CRITERIA ITEMS AS WELL.
11:07:06 WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE MOVES PROGRAM, ADDING
11:07:11 ENGINEERING AND OTHER LAYERS ON TOP OF IT, KNOWLEDGE, TO
11:07:17 REALLY PRIORITIZE BASED ON THE VULNERABLE FIRST AND
11:07:24 SCHOOLS CERTAINLY MATCH THAT CRITERIA.
11:07:29 OUR SIDEWALK PROGRAM IS ALSO MORE OF A REACTIVE TO A
11:07:34 PROACTIVE APPROACH.
11:07:41 PRIMARILY IT'S BECAUSE HISTORICALLY WE ACTED TO
11:07:44 COMPLAINTS.
11:07:45 AND SO WHAT HAPPENED ALMOST ASYMMETRIC, HEARD FROM
11:07:50 CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE
11:07:54 HAVEN'T HEARD FROM IN THE PAST, DID NOT GET AS MUCH WORK,
11:07:58 LIKE YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HERE.
11:08:02 SO WE DO HAVE THE SIDEWALK TO SCHOOL PROGRAM IN THE
11:08:09 SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA, BUT ALSO HOW WE CONTINUE TO
11:08:12 PRIORITIZE BASED ON NEEDS AND BASED ON THE HIGHEST USE
11:08:18 RATHER THAN JUST RESPONDING BASED ON COMPLAINTS.
11:08:27 AGAIN, THE STATE REQUIREMENT THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF
11:08:31 YEARS, BY 2023, ALL SCHOOLS NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN TYPES OF
11:08:37 SIGNAGE, MARKINGS, AND FLASHERS TO MEET STATE STANDARDS.
11:08:43 SO THIS PROGRAM AS WELL WITH OUR FINDINGS.
11:08:51 I MENTIONED SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOLS.
11:08:53 OUR FIRST BIG PROJECT IS GOING TO BE SULPHUR SPRINGS.
11:08:58 THIS WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE MPO
11:09:03 STUDY.
11:09:03 WE ARE NOW UPDATING THAT STUDY TO TODAY'S REALITY, AND
11:09:07 NEW INFORMATION AND NEEDS AND METHODS THAT WE HAVE.
11:09:11 THAT WOULD BE THE PLANNING WORK PROGRAM THAT I MENTIONED
11:09:17 EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION.
11:09:18 AGAIN, PARTNER WITH THE STATE WHERE WE CAN AND MAXIMIZE
11:09:23 OUR LIMITED DOLLARS.
11:09:26 FINALLY, IN CLOSING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME STAFF
11:09:30 RECOMMENDATIONS TOWARD THIS MOTION, AND THAT WOULD BE TO
11:09:34 CONTINUE A MAJORITY OF OUR PROGRAMS.
11:09:36 THESE PROGRAMS ARE WELL RESEARCHED, THEY ARE WELL
11:09:39 COORDINATED, AND BRING PARTNERS AS WELL, AND THEY WILL BE
11:09:48 A BENEFIT AS WE MOVE ALONG, AND FUNDING, WE ARE ALWAYS IN
11:09:52 NEED OF FUNDING, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO COUNCIL SUPPORT
11:09:58 WITH REFERENDUM AND ANY INITIATIVES, AND WE'LL CONTINUE
11:10:01 TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL
11:10:04 GOVERNMENT.
11:10:07 AT THIS POINT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:10:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:10:13 MR. CARLSON, RECOGNIZED, SIR.
11:10:18 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THE ANALYSIS AND ALL THE
11:10:20 WORK YOU DO.
11:10:20 I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU.
11:10:23 IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ALLOCATE THE MONEY FASTER?
11:10:29 THE COMMUNITY IS DEMANDING THAT WE DO THIS RIGHT AWAY,
11:10:32 THAT IT'S UNSAFE TO WALK TO AND FROM SCHOOLS.
11:10:36 AND PART OF THIS ALSO WAS THAT THERE ARE HOUSE AS CROSS
11:10:45 FROM SCHOOLS THAT ALLEGEDLY PEOPLE ARE REFUSING TO PUT
11:10:51 SIDEWALKS IN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND
11:10:56 THEN BECAUSE OF THAT WE CAN'T BUILD A CROSSWALK.
11:10:59 IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN JUST PUT SIDEWALKS IN THERE SO
11:11:02 WE CAN PUT CROSSWALKS IN?
11:11:05 THANK YOU.
11:11:05 >>VIK BHIDE: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
11:11:11 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
11:11:12 AND WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO LOOK AT EXISTING FUNDING
11:11:16 BUT ALSO NEW OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
11:11:18 SIDEWALKS, OR AT LEAST -- THINGS LIKE THAT.
11:11:26 SO THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE HAVE DONE SPECIFICALLY, THE
11:11:29 FIRST WITHIN OUR OWN BUDGET FY 22.
11:11:32 AGAIN WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR VISION COORDINATOR AND
11:11:37 TRANSPORTATION AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO IDENTIFY A
11:11:41 QUICK BUILD PROGRAM.
11:11:42 AND WHAT THIS QUICK BUILD PROGRAM DOES IS CHOOSES TAKER
11:11:48 MATERIAL, THAT ARE STILL CONSPICUOUS, BUT THAT ALLOW US
11:11:53 TO DO MORE THAN ONE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AS COMPARED
11:11:57 TO ... AND ALL OF THAT.
11:12:03 AND WITH THAT, OUR FOCUS IS GOING TO BE THOSE TWO WILL BE
11:12:10 OUR FOCUS AREAS, AND AGAIN WE ARE PARTNERING TO SEE IF WE
11:12:13 CAN MAXIMIZE NOT JUST THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE, BUT MAYBE
11:12:16 GET SOME STATE DOLLARS AS WELL TO IMPROVE OUR OUTCOMES.
11:12:23 THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE DOING -- AND WEAVED THIS
11:12:26 DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK REGARDING OUR SIDEWALK
11:12:30 IN LIEU FEE, AND OUR CODE, SIDEWALK INSTALLATION FOR NEW
11:12:37 DEVELOPMENTS, AND WE DO STAND BY OUR RECOMMENDATION,
11:12:43 UPDATING IN-LIEU FEES, AND AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP WHEN THAT
11:12:47 IS COMING UP, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN IT IS BUT IT IS
11:12:50 LATER IN THE YEAR, WE WILL HAVE OUR FINAL SET OF
11:12:53 RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH WILL ALSO MOVE THE BALL FORWARD ON
11:12:57 GETTING MORE SIDEWALKS OUT THERE.
11:12:59 WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS THERE AS WELL, COMMUNITY
11:13:03 PARTNERS AS WELL AS REGIONAL PARTNERS.
11:13:07 THANK YOU.
11:13:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
11:13:12 >>LUIS VIERA: YOU KNOW IT'S FUNNY, WHENEVER I HEAR
11:13:14 REPORTS LIKE THIS, I WILL BE HONEST, NUMBER ONE, VIK, I
11:13:18 ALWAYS HAVE JUST A THANKFULNESS FOR YOUR WORK, I THINK
11:13:21 YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT YOU, YOU'RE A GOOD GUY,
11:13:29 YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL, BUT ALMOST 3 IN 5 VOTERS VOTED ON
11:13:37 RAISING TAXES.
11:13:40 WELL, VOTERS GAVE THEM THAT IN 2018, THREE OUT OF FIVE,
11:13:46 REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS, AREAS LIKE A SUBURB
11:13:51 VOTED ALMOST 2 TO 1 FOR TRANSPORTATION.
11:13:53 THEY VOTED FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.
11:13:55 AND WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE VAST DEFICIT THAT WE HAVE
11:13:58 IN OUR CITY AND THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY, ET CETERA,
11:14:01 ON ISSUES, FOR DIGNITY AND SAFETY, IT BLOWS YOUR MIND.
11:14:08 IT BLOWS YOUR MIND ON HOW MUCH OF THAT NOW IS BEING TRULY
11:14:12 TAKEN AWAY FROM US AND NOW WE HAVE TO WAIT TO POTENTIALLY
11:14:17 NOVEMBER OF 2022 TO TAKE A LOOK AT REVENUE.
11:14:21 SEEING THIS IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLIC BIPARTISAN -- I SAY
11:14:26 BIPARTISAN BECAUSE WE KNOW MANY REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
11:14:29 AND INDEPENDENTS CAME TOGETHER FOR THE PARTNER SUPPORT
11:14:37 FOR USING THEIR OWN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE'S MONEY,
11:14:40 COLLECTIVELY TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ISSUES AND THESE
11:14:42 CHALLENGES AND CRISES, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE A PARENT WITH A
11:14:45 KID WALKING TO SCHOOL AND HAVING UNSAFE ACCESS, IT'S A
11:14:48 CRISIS.
11:14:49 YOU KNOW, SO MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
11:14:53 GOING TO SCHOOL, NOT HAVING PROPER CROSSWALKS OR
11:14:55 SIDEWALKS, IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY.
11:14:58 YOU HAVE GOT TO GET TO WORK AT PUBLIX OR WHEREVER IT MAY
11:15:01 BE, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT TRANSPORTATION.
11:15:03 JUST YESTERDAY EVENING, I WAS DOING A TOWN HALL OVER AT
11:15:07 COPELAND PARK AND TALKING TO DIFFERENT FOLKS TALKING
11:15:10 ABOUT FOLKS WORKING AT McDONALD'S FOR NINE, TEN, ELEVEN
11:15:14 DOLLARS AN HOUR HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING ACCESS TO BE
11:15:17 TRANSIT TO GET TO THEIR JOBS, TALKING TO FOLKS WHO WANT A
11:15:21 HOUSE IN COPELAND, AND YOUNG VETERANS COMING BACK WITH
11:15:26 PTSD AND OTHER CHALLENGES, SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
11:15:30 PROPER ACCESS TO HARTLINE, ET CETERA, FOR THEIR JOURNEYS
11:15:35 THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE IN LIFE.
11:15:37 SO WE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO HERE IN THE CITY
11:15:39 OF TAMPA, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE,
11:15:43 BUDGET FOR REPAVING OF $5 MILLION AND THEN $16 JUST TO
11:15:49 GET DIGNITY.
11:15:50 I BELIEVE OUR BUDGET FOR SIDEWALKS IS ABOUT 350,000?
11:15:55 850,000?
11:15:57 AND BY GOLLY, ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE FOUR OR
11:16:00 FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
11:16:01 SO I THINK OF THE BOOK OF EXODUS.
11:16:05 YOU CAN'T MAKE BRICK WITHOUT STRAW.
11:16:08 AND THE VOTERS WANTED US AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT
11:16:13 STRAW BACK IN 2022: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:16:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, AND THEN MR. MANISCALCO.
11:16:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: VIK, YOU ALWAYS KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY
11:16:23 GO-TO GUY FOR MOBILITY AND I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU
11:16:25 HAVE DONE AND ALL THE HELP YOU ARE GIVING MY OFFICE.
11:16:29 WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE
11:16:34 YEARS, AND IT JUST PILED ITSELF ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER,
11:16:38 STARTED WITH A SIDEWALK BOND AND HOW THE SIDEWALKS WERE
11:16:40 BUILT IN THIS CITY.
11:16:41 IT STARTED WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM SAYING
11:16:44 THAT IF YOU LIVED OUTSIDE WITHIN TWO MILES OF A SCHOOL,
11:16:48 YOUR CHILDREN HAD TO WALK TO SCHOOL.
11:16:52 I LIKE THE SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED US.
11:16:54 I LOVED YOUR PRESENTATION.
11:16:56 HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT OUTSIDE OF THE
11:17:01 SCHOOL ITSELF.
11:17:02 KIDS -- EXCUSE ME, CHILDREN ARE STILL HAVING TO WALK
11:17:06 WITHIN TWO MILES.
11:17:09 VIK, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.
11:17:11 AND I'M SURE THE NEXT TIME YOU REPORT TO US THAT THERE'S
11:17:14 GOING TO BE A HECK OF A LOT OF OVERLAP AS SCHOOLS ARE
11:17:18 WITHIN TWO MILES OF ONE ANOTHER.
11:17:20 SO WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
11:17:22 KEEP US POSTED.
11:17:23 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VIK.
11:17:25 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:17:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
11:17:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU
11:17:30 GAVE US.
11:17:32 IS THERE ANY WAY POSSIBLE THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN SEE THE
11:17:35 INFORMATION OF THE SCHOOLS WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:17:37 AND HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE A SIDEWALK AND HOW MANY DON'T,
11:17:40 HOW MANY HAVE PARTIAL SIDEWALK, AND GIVE US AN UPDATE
11:17:43 WHAT THE COST IS FOR THE SCHOOL?
11:17:48 >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR.
11:17:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE IT.
11:17:50 THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE REAL COST OF PUTTING IN A
11:17:54 SIDEWALK.
11:17:54 BECAUSE I WOULD JUST LIKE COUNCIL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
11:17:58 TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL FACTS.
11:18:00 THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING YOU, SIR.
11:18:01 IS THAT POSSIBLE?
11:18:02 >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR.
11:18:05 WE WILL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU.
11:18:08 THE REAL COST THAT WE INCUR RIGHT NOW VARIES FROM $81 PER
11:18:13 FOOT TO ABOUT $68.
11:18:16 THERE'S A LITTLE BIT VARIABILITY DEPENDING ON THE --
11:18:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU REPEAT THAT NUMBER?
11:18:27 >>VIK BHIDE: SORRY.
11:18:27 >> A LINEAR FOOT?
11:18:31 >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR.
11:18:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE IT.
11:18:37 THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IF YOU CAN.
11:18:39 I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT MOTION BUT AS A
11:18:42 REQUEST I WOULD APPRECIATE VERY MUCH IF YOU CAN GIVE IT
11:18:44 TO US.
11:18:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO?
11:18:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO, NO I WAS JUST BACKING YOU UP ON YOUR
11:18:50 QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
11:18:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:18:55 I KNOW COSTS ARE UP, BUT I MEAN PEOPLE GIVE IT TO THE
11:19:01 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND IT REALLY BOTHERS ME.
11:19:05 AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY I TALK ABOUT MR. VIERA THE
11:19:08 APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM AND MAYBE WE START TEACHING SOME
11:19:10 PEOPLE IN OUR HOUSE TO LEARN HOW TO DO THIS JOB.
11:19:14 WE CAN CUT THOSE COSTS AND GIVE SOME OF THESE YOUNG MEN
11:19:19 AND OPPORTUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN A SKILL AND TO
11:19:21 NOW WORK TO CUT THESE COSTS DOWN, BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT TO
11:19:25 THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
11:19:27 BUT MY BIGGEST THING IS THIS.
11:19:29 WE HAVE CRAs AND MOST OF THESE CRAs HAVE MONEY FOR
11:19:33 SIDEWALKS.
11:19:34 THAT MONEY DOESN'T GO TO THE GENERAL FUND, SO THOSE
11:19:38 COMMUNITIES THAT NEED A SIDEWALK, YOUR OFFICE IS TO GET
11:19:40 WITH MRS. VAN LOAN TO SEE WHO HAS MONEY, WE GET CALLS FOR
11:19:45 SIDEWALKS.
11:19:46 THERE NEEDS TO BE A SYSTEM WHERE THE SIDEWALKS COME IN,
11:19:49 AND YOU DON'T HAVE SOME MONEY, THE CRA HAS MONEY FOR
11:19:54 SIDEWALKS IN THAT DISTRICT, IN A CRA AREA, THEN WITH WE
11:19:57 ARE LOOKING TO GET THOSE SIDEWALKS DONE.
11:19:59 SO THAT CAN BE ANOTHER AVENUE TO WORK TO DO THOSE.
11:20:02 BECAUSE AGAIN THAT MONEY IS THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT'S
11:20:04 FOR THEIR COMMUNITY -- THAT COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE
11:20:08 REINVESTING IN.
11:20:09 SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT OPTION AS WELL BUT I AM GOING TO
11:20:11 SAY IT AGAIN, VIK, WE NEED TO LOOK AT A PROGRAM, TO BE --
11:20:15 SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE PUBLIC CORRECTIONS, BECAUSE I SEE
11:20:19 GUYS OUT THERE DOING SIDEWALKS ALL THE TIME.
11:20:21 SO WE AS A CITY HAVE TO START LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN HELP
11:20:24 SOME OF THOSE FOLKS WHEN THEY GET OUT, OR PARTNER WITH
11:20:27 SOME OF THESE OTHER CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES TO GET OUT,
11:20:30 DO SOME OF THIS WORK AND CUT OUR COSTS TO GET MORE WORK
11:20:33 DONE AND GET MORE THINGS DONE FOR THE CITY.
11:20:35 SO I AM GOING TO ASK THAT AGAIN.
11:20:37 I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY.
11:20:39 BUT WE NEED TO GET SOME ANSWERS, BECAUSE IT'S VITAL.
11:20:42 YOU HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OUT THERE.
11:20:43 YOU HAVE PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE AN EXTRA
11:20:47 PROGRAM TO ADD.
11:20:48 IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO LEARN.
11:20:50 WHEN I GOT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, I WENT OFF TO COLLEGE, IN
11:20:53 THE SUMMER, THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO GO TO WORK AND I POURED
11:20:59 MUD.
11:21:00 IT ISN'T HARD TO DO.
11:21:01 MR. CITRO, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, SIR?
11:21:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, I DO. I HAVEN'T HEARD CEMENT
11:21:06 CALLED MUD IN A LONG TIME.
11:21:08 I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:21:10 VIK, THE LAST TIME THAT WE SPOKE ON THIS, I HAD ASKED
11:21:14 ABOUT ALTERNATIVE PRODUCTS, ESPECIALLY PERMEABLE
11:21:18 ALTERNATIVE PRODUCTS.
11:21:20 PLEASE, IF WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, CUT THE COSTS THERE
11:21:26 I MAY BE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN BUT I AM GOING TO SAY IT
11:21:29 ANYWAY.
11:21:29 NASA IS LOOKING AT SOME GREAT CYCLED PRODUCTS THAT JUST
11:21:35 AS STRONG AS CONCRETE.
11:21:36 WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
11:21:38 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:21:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
11:21:42 WE APPRECIATE IT.
11:21:42 I KNOW YOU ALWAYS GET BACK WITH US.
11:21:49 WE CALL YOU.
11:21:52 YOU GET IT DONE.
11:21:53 I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT.
11:21:57 AND COUNCIL PRESSURES THAT KIND OF WORK.
11:21:59 ALL STAFF MEMBERS.
11:22:00 WHEN WE CALL YOU, IT GETS DONE RIGHT AWAY.
11:22:02 SO I KNOW YOU WILL GET US SOME ANSWERS.
11:22:06 THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.
11:22:08 >> VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
11:22:12 AND WE ARE LOOKING AT BOTH THE IN-HOUSE AS WELL AS
11:22:14 INNOVATIVE MATERIALS TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES.
11:22:18 THANK YOU.
11:22:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU AGAIN.
11:22:21 ALL RIGHT.
11:22:22 I GUESS WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 5 SINCE WE HAVE THE
11:22:27 PAPERWORK IN FRONT OF US.
11:22:28 MR. MICHELINI, ARE YOU STILL THERE, SIR?
11:22:38 I KEEP SEEING THESE PRIVATE TEXT AMENDMENTS ALL THE TIME.
11:22:42 I THINK MR. DINGFELDER -- GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:22:49 ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:22:50 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
11:22:51 AS I STARTED TO SAY, YOU HAVE THIS PACKAGE PREVIOUSLY.
11:22:56 THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ONE THAT I AM DISCUSSING
11:22:58 THIS MORNING AND THE ONE THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY IS THAT
11:23:03 THERE ARE FEWER REQUESTS FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS.
11:23:06 AS I STARTLED, BRIEFLY, THIS STARTED WITH A ROUND TABLE
11:23:11 DISCUSSION INVOLVING THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE BUILDING
11:23:16 DEPARTMENT, THE ZONING, AND LAND USE DEVELOPMENT
11:23:19 COORDINATION OFFICE, SOME PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, AS WELL AS
11:23:25 INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS.
11:23:26 THERE'S A MONTHLY ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION THAT'S HELD OVER
11:23:32 IN CONSTRUCTION SERVICES REGARDING DIFFICULTIES,
11:23:34 CONFLICTS, AND ISSUES WITH THE CODE THAT REQUIRED SOME
11:23:39 ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, OR TO HAVE THE CONFLICTS IN THE
11:23:43 CODE ADDRESSED.
11:23:44 AND THAT'S WHERE THIS LIST CAME FROM.
11:23:48 IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD, THE LIST WAS MUCH LONGER.
11:23:59 THERE WERE PROBABLY OVER 50 ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED,
11:24:02 AND THE CITY STAFF ITSELF TOOK SOME OF THOSE AMENDMENTS
11:24:08 ON THEMSELVES AND WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING HERE TODAY ARE
11:24:10 THE ONES THAT THEY REQUESTED THAT WE INITIATED THE
11:24:14 PRIVATE PETITION.
11:24:20 SO I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU A LIST OF THE THINGS THAT WERE
11:24:23 STRICKEN THROUGH AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE
11:24:31 INDIVIDUALLY.
11:24:32 BUT THE FIRST ONE IS THE YARD BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL
11:24:38 BUILDINGS.
11:24:39 THAT INVOLVES INTERIOR SETBACKS BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY
11:24:42 STRUCTURES.
11:24:43 IT DOES NOT INVOLVE ANYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR SETBACKS OR
11:24:47 ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY.
11:24:50 WE HAVE DELETED THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUESTS WHICH WE
11:24:55 FOUND THERE WAS A CONFLICT IN THE CODE, AND THEN IT SINCE
11:24:59 HAS BEEN CLARIFIED WITH STAFF, AND THAT WAS JUST
11:25:01 IDENTIFIED AND CORRECTED YESTERDAY.
11:25:05 ALLOWING OPEN STORAGE IN CG.
11:25:07 THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR ALLOWING WALK-IN COOLERS AND
11:25:13 THINGS LIKE THAT FOR EXISTING RESTAURANTS.
11:25:18 IT HAD NO PLACE ON THE INTERIOR FOR WALK-IN COOLERS.
11:25:21 WE REMOVED THAT AS WELL.
11:25:23 THE ISSUE REGARDING SWIMMING POOLS WAS TOO DIFFICULT TO
11:25:26 TRY TO EXPLAIN TO LAY PEOPLE, AND IT HAD TO DO WITH A
11:25:31 TECHNICAL STANDARD THAT APPEARS IN THE BUILDING CODE.
11:25:34 AND THAT'S NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED.
11:25:36 WE REMOVED THAT.
11:25:39 ITEM NUMBER 5 IS THE OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT
11:25:43 REGULATIONS.
11:25:45 RM-24 IS THE ONLY DISTRICT IN THE CITY THAT'S RESIDENTIAL
11:25:48 THAT HAS A 30-FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF
11:25:52 THE STRUCTURE.
11:25:54 THIS WOULD MAKE THE 35 FEET CONFORM TO ALL OF THE OTHER
11:25:58 RESIDENTIAL CODES.
11:26:02 THE OFF-STREET PARKING FOR DUPLEXES HAS TO BE DO WITH THE
11:26:06 SIZE OF THE LOTS, AND THE ISSUE RELATES TO THE PARKING
11:26:11 GARAGES THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH ARE REQUIRED FOR TWO PARKING
11:26:15 SPACES, AND TWO SPACES IN THE DRIVEWAY.
11:26:18 AND REQUIRING AN ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR VISITOR PARKING
11:26:23 SEEMED TO BE AN UNUSUAL AND HEAVY BURDEN TO MEET.
11:26:28 SO AGAIN, WITH STAFF DISCUSSIONS, THEY AGREED AS LONG AS
11:26:34 IT WAS ONLY DUPLEXES AND NOT FOR MORE THAN TWO UNITS,
11:26:38 THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE
11:26:41 RIGHT-HAND SIDE.
11:26:42 ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSES STYLE TO FACE INTERIOR
11:26:47 COURTYARDS.
11:26:55 THIS RELATED TO A PROVISION RELATED TO A CODE THAT SAYS
11:26:58 YOU HAVE TO FACE RIGHT-OF-WAY, HAD TO DO WITH SIGNS AND
11:27:01 ALSO SECURITY.
11:27:01 THEY WANTED TO HAVE A COURTYARD WHERE YOU WOULD WALK UP
11:27:04 TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU WOULD ENTER, AND THEN
11:27:07 EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN
11:27:10 ENTRANCE OFF OF A COURTYARD.
11:27:13 ITEM NUMBER 8 HAS TO DO WITH EAST TAMPA OVERLAY, AND ITEM
11:27:17 NUMBER 9, WEST TAMPA OVERLAY, HAS TO DO WITH THE FRONT
11:27:20 YARD SETBACK.
11:27:24 AND THE CODE INDICATES THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BLOCK
11:27:28 AVERAGING, BUT IF THERE'S NO OTHER PROPERTIES ON THAT
11:27:32 BLOCK, OR IF YOU HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARILY DEEP LOT, THE
11:27:37 SETBACKS WERE ENDING UP BEING 60 OR 70 OR 80 FEET FROM
11:27:41 THE FRONT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:27:48 AND THAN THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE WHICH DIDN'T MAKE A LOT
11:27:50 OF SENSE.
11:27:51 AGAIN THESE ISSUES WERE WORKED OUT WITH THE STAFF.
11:27:53 THEY WERE ALSO DISCUSSED WITH THE EAST TAMPA AND THE WEST
11:27:55 TAMPA COMMUNITIES REGARDING THIS, AND WE HAD THEIR
11:27:59 SUPPORT.
11:28:00 I'LL GO THROUGH THESE IN MORE DETAIL NOW.
11:28:09 WHEN A PROPERTY CONTAINS MORE THAN ONE BUILDING, THE
11:28:11 REQUIRED STRUCTURAL SETBACK WAS BASED ON A CALCULATION
11:28:15 THAT INVOLVED LENGTH TIMES WIDTH TIMES HEIGHT.
11:28:19 THIS DOES NOT AFFECT MASSING.
11:28:22 THIS AFFECTS A STANDARD -- SETTING A STANDARD OF 15 FEET
11:28:26 BETWEEN BUILDINGS, WHICH WAS REVIEWED AND SUPPORTED BY
11:28:31 THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
11:28:33 THIS AGAIN DOES NOT AFFECT THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
11:28:37 IT ONLY AFFECTS WHERE YOU PLACE THE BUILDING.
11:28:40 AND WE HAD FOUR DIFFERENT ENGINEERS AS WELL AS THE CITY
11:28:44 STAFF TRY TO CALCULATE WHAT THE SETBACK WOULD BE BETWEEN
11:28:48 BUILDINGS, AND WE CAME UP WITH FOUR DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
11:28:52 SO A LOT OF THESE WERE ENDING UP HAVING TO EITHER GO TO A
11:28:55 REZONING OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A VARIANCE TO TRY TO
11:28:59 ESTABLISH WHAT THE MINIMUM SETBACKS BETWEEN BUILDINGS ON
11:29:02 THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT.
11:29:04 AGAIN, INTERIOR OF THE LOT.
11:29:07 YOU WANT ME TO STOP?
11:29:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS FOR EACH ONE?
11:29:17 >>STEVE MICHELINI: HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT.
11:29:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HE HAS A LOT TO SAY.
11:29:24 THEN GET DO IT IN ONE SHOT.
11:29:28 >>STEVE MICHELINI: NUMBER 2 HAS BEEN STRICKEN THROUGH.
11:29:30 THAT'S BEEN REMOVED.
11:29:31 NUMBER 3 AND 4 HAVE BEEN STRICKEN AND REMOVED.
11:29:34 WE ARE NOW ON NUMBER 5.
11:29:37 WHICH WAS THE RM-24 AND THE OP ZONING DISTRICTS WERE
11:29:44 REQUIRED TO HAVE A ZIGZAG SETBACK AFTER 30 FEET, AND
11:29:49 AGAIN, THERE WAS NO JUSTIFICATION.
11:29:52 THE STAFF COULDN'T FIND ANY THAT ESTABLISHED 30 FEET AS
11:29:57 SOME MAGICAL NUMBER.
11:29:59 35 FEET MATCHES ALL OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS,
11:30:03 RS-50, RS-60, 75, 100, 150.
11:30:08 SO IT STANDARDIZES WHAT THE TYPICAL HEIGHT IS FOR A
11:30:14 MAXIMUM FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
11:30:20 THE VISITOR PARKING FOR DUPLEXES WITH .25 ENDED UP WITH
11:30:27 TWO UNITS WITH HALF A PARKING SPACE WHICH YOU HAD TO
11:30:30 ROUND UP TO ONE, AND CONSIDERING THAT A DUPLEX IS ON A
11:30:35 RELATIVELY SMALLER LOT, IT WAS TYING UP A LOT OF EXTRA
11:30:39 SPACE, IT WAS FORCING THESE DUPLEXES TO SEEK WAIVERS FOR
11:30:44 LANDSCAPING, AND THEN IT WAS TRIGGERING REZONING WHEN IT
11:30:49 WAS NOT REALLY NECESSARY FOR A SMALL DEVELOPMENT LIKE
11:30:54 THAT.
11:30:59 NUMBER 7 HAS TO DO WITH THE ALLOWING THE COURT YARDS AND
11:31:08 THE FRONT ENTRANCES FACING THE COURTYARD, THE
11:31:12 RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD HAVE THE ADDRESS ON IT AND WOULD HAVE
11:31:14 THE UNIT NUMBERS.
11:31:15 AND THEN THE FIRE MARSHAL WENT OUT BECAUSE HE HAS TO
11:31:19 APPROVE THE SIGNAGE AND THE ADDRESSING.
11:31:23 THIS WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD ASKED, PROPOSED
11:31:28 LANGUAGE TO ALLOW FRONT ENTRANCES IN COURT YARDS AS LONG
11:31:31 AS IT'S NOT AN ALLEY.
11:31:33 SO WE WEREN'T TRYING TO ESTABLISH A FRONT YARD, A FRONT
11:31:37 ENTRYWAY ON AN ALLEY, BUT RATHER IT HAD TO DO WITH THE
11:31:41 INTERIOR ORIENTATION OF THE VARIOUS UNITS.
11:31:47 THIS IS THE LAST ONE HERE, ITEM 8 AND 9, WHICH WAS THE
11:31:52 FRONT YARD DETERMINED BY BLOCK AVERAGING, AND IT WOULD
11:31:56 ESTABLISH A STANDARD OF 20 FEET WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH
11:31:59 THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, OR IF YOU HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, AN
11:32:05 EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS,
11:32:08 YOU HAVE HOUSES THAT FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK.
11:32:12 IT ONE ALLOW YOU TO GO UP TO THE SIDEWALK IF THERE WAS A
11:32:16 BLOCK AVERAGING.
11:32:16 BUT WHEN THERE IS NO BLOCK AVERAGING IT WOULD SET THAT
11:32:19 MINIMUM AT 20 FEET.
11:32:24 THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AS I SAID FOR -- THIS IS NOT A
11:32:27 NEW PROPOSAL.
11:32:28 IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
11:32:31 IT WAS ROUTED THROUGH ALL THE CITY FOR DEPARTMENTAL
11:32:34 REVIEW.
11:32:35 WE HAD PROBABLY NO LESS THAN A DOZEN DISCUSSIONS AND
11:32:39 MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF TO REVIEW THIS.
11:32:41 WE HAD A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING.
11:32:45 AND BECAUSE THE NATURE OF SOME OF THESE ARE TECHNICAL IN
11:32:49 NATURE, I THINK THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED
11:32:55 WITH QUOTES AND E-MAILS DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS HIGH
11:32:59 PRESSURE TO DO WITH THE ENTIRE CITY.
11:33:01 WELL, IT HAS TO DO FOR THE MOST PART NOT WITH
11:33:04 SINGLE-FAMILY, IT HAS TO DO WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT
11:33:08 ARE MULTIFAMILY AND STANDARDIZING THE CODE AND
11:33:11 RECOGNIZING THAT THERE WERE GLITCHES IN THE CODE THAT
11:33:13 NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
11:33:16 IT DID NOT SEEM REASONABLE TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH REZONING
11:33:19 FOR VARIANCES FOR ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES.
11:33:24 AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU, THE STAFF
11:33:27 WAS IN SUPPORT OF, AND WE HAVE ELIMINATED ALL OF THOSE
11:33:31 THAT WE HAD ANY CONCERN ABOUT, OR IF THERE WERE ANY
11:33:35 QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFF DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE
11:33:38 SUPPORTING.
11:33:39 SO WHAT WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL
11:33:43 IN A WORKSHOP SESSION TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
11:33:45 HAVE REGARDING THIS ISSUE, THESE VARIOUS ISSUES, AND I
11:33:49 WILL BE HAPPY TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON ANY OF THE ONES
11:33:54 THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.
11:33:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED,
11:34:01 SIR.
11:34:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:34:04 MS. DOCK, ARE YOU ON OUR SCREEN?
11:34:05 THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
11:34:07 >>LACHONE DOCK: YES.
11:34:10 YES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I AM HERE.
11:34:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:34:16 SO WHAT I THINK IS A HEALTHY WAY TO DO THIS IS TO WALK
11:34:20 THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, AND FOR YOU TO EITHER CONFIRM
11:34:26 OR DENY OR WHAT HAVE YOU EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID ON
11:34:31 EACH ONE.
11:34:35 >>LACHONE DOCK: YES.
11:34:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I DID HAVE A FEW SPECIFIC
11:34:39 QUESTIONS.
11:34:39 SO IN REGARD TO 27-162, YARDS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL
11:34:43 BUILDINGS, THIS SAYS THAT STAFF IS, QUOTE, IN SUPPORT.
11:34:53 IS THAT TRUE?
11:34:55 >>LACHONE DOCK: YES, THAT IS CORRECT, COUNCILMAN
11:34:57 DINGFELDER.
11:34:58 LACHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT, GROWTH AND MANAGEMENT.
11:35:01 YES.
11:35:01 WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST.
11:35:04 THIS WAS THE REQUEST, AS STEVE MENTIONED, REGARDING THE
11:35:09 YARDS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, REMOVING THE
11:35:13 REQUIRED CALCULATION WHICH EXISTS IN THE CODE CURRENTLY
11:35:16 AND PUTTING IT AS A STANDARD.
11:35:20 SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT -- I'M SORRY?
11:35:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WE CHOOSE 15 FEET BECAUSE
11:35:25 EFFECTIVELY THAT'S LIKE HAVING TWO SEVEN-FOOT, SEVEN-AND
11:35:29 A HALF FOOT SETBACKS?
11:35:33 >> AND STANDARD RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS REQUIRE THAT
11:35:36 7-FOOT SETBACK, THAT WOULD BE THAT COMBINATION OF THE
11:35:39 TWO.
11:35:40 IN SOME CASES ON PDS YOU WILL SEE THAT DEVELOPERS ARE
11:35:44 WAIVING THAT REQUIREMENT.
11:35:46 SO WE FIGURE THAT STANDARDIZED AMOUNT, STANDARDIZED
11:35:50 15-FOOT.
11:35:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION,
11:35:54 BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE THE STANDARD THAT YOU WOULD LOOK
11:35:55 FOR ON A PD AT 15 FEET, AND IF THEY WERE TRYING TO DO
11:36:00 SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR A WAIVER?
11:36:04 >>LACHONE DOCK: CORRECT.
11:36:05 IT STILL WOULD ASK FOR A WAIVER.
11:36:07 IF NOT MEET THE 15-FOOT REQUIREMENT SO IT WOULD STILL
11:36:10 HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A WAIVER AND APPROVED BY
11:36:14 COUNCIL.
11:36:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT IF THESE WERE REALLY TALL
11:36:17 BUILDINGS?
11:36:17 I CAN SEE DOING THIS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED,
11:36:19 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI ATTACHED,
11:36:23 BECAUSE MOST OF THEM I THINK ARE 35 FEET, BUT HOTELS AND
11:36:26 MOTELS, I GUESS ARGUABLY COULD BE VERY, VERY LARGE
11:36:32 BUILDINGS WITH LARGE MASSES, 15 FEET ADD QUALITY FROM A
11:36:37 MASS PERSPECTIVE?
11:36:45 >>STEVE MICHELINI: COULD I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
11:36:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME HEAR FROM LACHONE FIRST.
11:36:49 MAYBE IT'S MORE OF AN ABBYE QUESTION.
11:36:51 >>ABBYE FEELEY: DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
11:36:57 MANAGEMENT.
11:36:58 THIS BUILDING SEPARATION IS WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE
11:37:03 THREE SETS OF TOWNHOMES ON A SINGLE PARCEL.
11:37:06 LET'S SAY YOU HAVE THREE BUILDINGS OF FOUR TOWNHOMES
11:37:11 APIECE.
11:37:12 TYPICALLY YOU TAKE THE WIDTH OF THOSE FOUR TOWNHOMES.
11:37:15 THE DEPTH OF THAT STRUCTURE.
11:37:16 AND YOU DO THE CALCULATION FOR HOW THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO
11:37:20 BE SEPARATED ON A UNIFIED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
11:37:23 THIS IS GOING TO TAKE OUT THAT WIDTH AND DEPTH
11:37:27 CALCULATION AND STANDARDIZE IT AT 15 FEET.
11:37:31 THIS WOULDN'T BE IN A HOTEL SITUATION, AND COMMERCIAL
11:37:35 WOULD STILL HAVE -- IF THERE WERE TWO BUILDINGS TO THE
11:37:39 HOTEL, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATION.
11:37:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THAT GOES TO MY QUESTION, UNDER
11:37:47 THE DOCUMENT THAT WE WERE ALL GIVEN, PROPOSED
11:37:51 MODIFICATION SAYS IT INCLUDES HOTELS AND MOTELS.
11:37:54 MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAVE A 60-FOOT MOTEL BUILDING AND
11:37:58 A 60-FOOT MOTEL BUILDING ON THE SAME PROPERTY, THE SAME
11:38:01 PD, IS 15 FEET ENOUGH SEPARATION IN REGARD TO THE MASSING
11:38:09 OF THOSE BUILDINGS?
11:38:11 I CAN SEE 15 FEET IS FINE IF IT'S A 35-FOOT, YOU KNOW,
11:38:15 TOWN HOME OR EVEN A LITTLE SMALL MOTEL.
11:38:18 BUT WHEN YOU GET UP TO 60 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
11:38:23 FROM A PLANNING, FROM A MASS PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT WHAT WE
11:38:28 WANT?
11:38:29 AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAD PLUGGED IN
11:38:31 THOSE CALCULATIONS THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW -- AND I AM JUST
11:38:34 TALKING ABOUT BIG BUILDINGS, 60 FEET -- WOULD IT COME OUT
11:38:39 TO MORE THAN 15 FEET?
11:38:42 >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, IT WOULD.
11:38:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:38:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MAYBE WHAT -- I'M SORRY.
11:38:49 MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS STRIKE HOTELS AND MOTELS OR
11:38:53 STRIKE ANYTHING -- MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST SAY FOR 35-FOOT
11:38:58 TALL BUILDINGS.
11:38:59 I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH A STANDARDIZED 15 FEET.
11:39:03 AND I HOPE COUNCIL IS.
11:39:05 BECAUSE, YEAH, WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN THE CITY NOW IS
11:39:09 BASICALLY 35-FOOT LIMITS IN MOST OF WHAT WE ARE BUILDING
11:39:14 ON A NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, AND IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE
11:39:17 15-FOOT SEPARATION, BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICAL, AS MR.
11:39:20 MIRANDA POINTED OUT THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY
11:39:22 IT'S 7-FAT SETBACK.
11:39:25 BUT I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN WHEN IT COMES TO
11:39:28 LARGER STRUCTURES THAT MIGHT BE 40, 50, 60 FEET TALL.
11:39:33 >>STEVE MICHELINI: CAN I WEIGH IN ON THIS NOW?
11:39:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ABBYE WAS FINISHED?
11:39:44 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I'LL DEFER TO MR. MICHELINI.
11:39:46 THANK YOU.
11:39:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
11:39:51 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT ABBYE
11:39:53 MADE WAS THIS IS INTERIOR TO A LOT.
11:39:55 THIS IS NOT AN EXTERIOR ISSUE.
11:39:57 AND IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET FROM THE BUILDING CODE IS
11:40:01 TABLE 600 WHICH IS BUILDING SEPARATION FOR FIRE
11:40:04 PROTECTION.
11:40:07 ONCE YOU GET TO A HIGHER LEVEL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE
11:40:10 EITHER FIRE WINDOWS OR WIRE GLASS WINDOWS, OR DELUGE
11:40:19 SYSTEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
11:40:21 IF YOU WANTED TO RESTRICT TO THE ANYTHING LESS THAN 067
11:40:24 FEET IN HEIGHT THAT'S FINE.
11:40:26 THAT'S TYPICALLY A FOUR-STORY, UNLESS YOU HAD AN
11:40:29 APARTMENT BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
11:40:31 BUT THE INTENTION HERE WAS NOT TO CREATE MORE MASSING, IT
11:40:35 WAS SIMPLY TO ESTABLISH THE STANDARD THAT WAS VERY
11:40:40 DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE BASED UPON THE PREVIOUS
11:40:43 CALCULATION.
11:40:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I'M OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT LIKE
11:40:46 I SAID, STEVE, WITH THE 35-FOOT OR LESS.
11:40:50 OKAY.
11:40:51 I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
11:40:52 I THINK MASSING IS AN ISSUE WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
11:40:55 LARGER STRUCTURES.
11:40:56 AND YOU CAN SAY IT'S INTERIOR TO THE PROJECT, BUT IT'S
11:40:58 NOT REALLY BECAUSE IF I AM STANDING ON THE STREET AND I
11:41:02 LOOK AT THESE TWO 60-FOOT BUILDINGS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE
11:41:06 VERY VISIBLE TO ME, AND SOMETIMES THEY NEED MORE ROOM TO
11:41:09 BREATHE BETWEEN THEM.
11:41:10 AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE CODE, I'M TALKING
11:41:14 ABOUT THE VISUAL ASPECTS OF THESE THINGS.
11:41:17 SO LIKE I SAY, I CAN SUPPORT HALF OF THIS.
11:41:20 I CAN SUPPORT THIS UP TO 35 FEET.
11:41:24 BUT ANYTHING HIGHER THAN 35 FEET, NOT ONLY DO I HAVE A
11:41:28 PROBLEM WITH IT BUT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND
11:41:30 THE COMMUNITY HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.
11:41:32 WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THESE MASSING STUDIES AND
11:41:36 THE COMMUNITY SAYS WHY ARE YOU EVEN ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE
11:41:40 WHICH IS A MASSING ISSUE.
11:41:41 I'M OKAY WITH COMPROMISING AND SAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD
11:41:44 WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
11:41:47 TO ME.
11:41:48 BUT IT ONLY MAKES SENSE FOR 35 FEET OR LESS.
11:41:50 >>ABBYE FEELEY: MAY I INTERJECT A CLARIFICATION QUICKLY?
11:41:59 ABBYE FEELEY.
11:42:00 THE WAY THE CODE STATES, IT DOES SAY YARDS BETWEEN
11:42:03 BUILDINGS SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
11:42:07 SO THIS WILL BE APPLICABLE IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE HOME
11:42:10 ON A SINGLE LOT, WHICH WOULDN'T BE.
11:42:13 IT WOULD DEFER TO THE STANDARD 7 AND 7.
11:42:17 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH IS TOWNHOMES, SINGLE-FAMILY
11:42:21 SEMI-DETACHED, WHICH IS DUPLEX, THEN IT GOES TO TWO
11:42:24 FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THE HOTEL AND MOTEL.
11:42:29 WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT MAINTAINING THE CALCULATION AS
11:42:35 IT CURRENTLY STANDS FOR HOTELS AND MOTELS WOULD BE
11:42:39 APPLICABLE, AND THEN A POTENTIAL OF SETTING A STANDARD OF
11:42:43 A 15-FOOT SEPARATION WHERE THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE
11:42:47 BUILDING ON A SINGLE LOT FOR THOSE THAT ARE 35 FEET OR
11:42:54 LESS, THIS WOULD BE YOUR STANDARD, RM, AND RS, BECAUSE
11:43:02 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE RM-24 WHICH GOES UP TO 60 FEET.
11:43:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE GOT THE GIST OF MY
11:43:08 COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE IT.
11:43:09 >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY.
11:43:14 WE WOULD MODIFY PER THE DIRECTIONS PROVIDED.
11:43:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME CONTINUE WITH BY COMMENTS SO
11:43:22 WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS.
11:43:23 >>STEVE MICHELINI: CAN I MENTION ONE MORE THING?
11:43:25 WE DIDN'T INITIALLY -- WE WEREN'T INCLUDING HOTELS AND
11:43:31 MOTELS.
11:43:31 SO IF WE WANT TO KEEP THAT CALCULATION, I THINK AS ABBYE
11:43:34 POINTED OUT, THAT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.
11:43:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY, THANK YOU.
11:43:38 IN REGARD TO 27-156 OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT
11:43:42 REGULATION, AND I AM ON NUMBER 5, TO REMOVE 35-FOOT
11:43:50 HEIGHT THRESHOLD OR PLACE 35 WHOSE BUILDING HEIGHT WITH
11:43:54 REQUIRED YARDS SHALL BE INCREASED BY ONE FOOT.
11:43:58 OF THE RM-24, IS THE RM-24 MAXED OUT AT 35 FEET, OR HOW
11:44:04 HIGH CAN IT GO?
11:44:06 >>STEVE MICHELINI: ARE YOU ASKING ME OR ABBYE?
11:44:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK I AM ASKING LACHONE DOCK DO
11:44:13 BEING YOU CAN HAVE A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 60 FEET FOR THE
11:44:16 RM-24.
11:44:17 AND THEN YOU CAN REQUEST --
11:44:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:44:20 >>LACHONE DOCK: -- FOR EACH FOOT OF BIDDING HIGHLIGHT 30
11:44:24 FEET IN RM-24 YOU HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR YARD SETBACK BY
11:44:27 ONE FOOT.
11:44:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE YARD SETBACK.
11:44:31 SO THIS IS NOT THE WEDDING CAKE ISSUE.
11:44:35 >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT IS.
11:44:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT IS THE WEDDING CAKE ISSUE.
11:44:40 >>LACHONE DOCK: ONCE THE BUILDING IS AT 30 FEET AND YOU
11:44:43 GO ABOVE 30 FEET THAT THEN THAT REQUIRED YARD HAS TO BE
11:44:47 INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL FOOT.
11:44:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
11:44:50 >>LACHONE DOCK: AND MAXIMUM OF 60 FEET IN HATE.
11:44:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI: WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR HERE WAS TO
11:44:58 SET IT AT 35 WHICH ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS
11:45:01 ARE SET AT.
11:45:02 >>ABBYE FEELEY: ALL OUR OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE
11:45:05 BUILDINGS MAY GO UP TO 35, AND THERE IS NO SECOND.
11:45:10 SO WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ASK FOR HERE IS THIS BE
11:45:13 ALLOWED, THAT THE STEP-IN START AT 35 INSTEAD OF 30,
11:45:18 BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T EVEN BUILD -- LET'S SAY THEY WERE
11:45:21 BUILDING STANDARD 35 FEET IN THE RM-24 AT 30 FEET, THEY
11:45:25 HAVE TO STEP IN, WHERE IN EVERY OTHER DISTRICT THROUGHOUT
11:45:29 THE CITY, YOU DON'T STEP IN AT 30 FEET.
11:45:31 SO THEY ARE TRYING TO UNIFORM THAT AND THEN SAY, ANYTHING
11:45:34 ABOVE 35 FEET WILL THEN STEP IN PER THE CURRENT
11:45:39 REQUIREMENT OF THE ONE TO ONE.
11:45:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:45:42 ALL RIGHT.
11:45:42 I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE FAIR.
11:45:45 THE NEXT PAGE IS ITEM 6.
11:45:52 SO THE VISITOR PARKING -- AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE VIK
11:45:56 BACK ON THE SCREEN -- BUT THE VISITOR PARKING RELATES TO
11:46:00 NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION.
11:46:03 I MEAN, NOBODY REQUIRES YOU TO BUILD TOWNHOMES AND
11:46:06 MULTIFAMILY, ET CETERA, OR VERY OFTEN YOU ARE REPLACING
11:46:09 SINGLE-FAMILY THAT ALWAYS HAD ONE OR TWO CARS, AND NOW
11:46:12 YOU HAVE GOT IN THE SOHO DISTRICT, YOU HAVE THESE QUADS
11:46:17 THAT REPLACED THE SINGLE HOMES, AND IT CREATED QUITE THE
11:46:23 PARKING PROBLEM, SO MUCH SO THAT WE HAD TO CREATE A
11:46:27 PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM, NOT ONLY IN SOHO BUT ALSO I THINK
11:46:35 IN YBOR CITY.
11:46:36 SO VISITORS ARE AN ISSUE.
11:46:40 AND I DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF JUSTIFICATION, ESPECIALLY
11:46:44 FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE, ON WHY WE SHOULD BE
11:46:47 WAIVING THAT VISITOR REQUIREMENT.
11:46:51 MS. FEELEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY POLICY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS?
11:46:56 >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO THIS IS REALLY -- THIS IS ONLY FOR
11:47:01 DUPLEX.
11:47:02 BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY TO ELIMINATE VISITOR FOR TWO UNITS.
11:47:07 SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE TWO UNITS THAT SHARE A
11:47:10 COMMON WALL IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU HAVE A TWO-CAR GARAGE
11:47:15 AND A TWO-CAR PARKING PAD OR IN SOME CASES YOU HAVE
11:47:20 SINGLE-CAR GARAGE AND A SINGLE SPACE BEHIND IT, NOW YOU
11:47:25 ARE ASKING FOR A FIFTH SPACE TO HAVE TO BE CREATED
11:47:32 SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
11:47:34 AND ON A REGULAR STANDARD HOME, THERE IS NO VISITOR, AND
11:47:43 YOU GO TO THE NEXT STEP UP, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHICH
11:47:46 WILL BE THE DUPLEX.
11:47:48 SO ON A DUPLEX, THIS WOULD ONLY BE ON A DUPLEX.
11:47:54 SO TWO UNITS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOUR SPACES PLUS A FIFTH
11:47:58 SPACE FOR ADVICE VISITOR.
11:48:00 SO WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE TWO UNITS, AND TYPICALLY -- SAY,
11:48:06 FOR INSTANCE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU ARE IN ONE UNIT
11:48:08 AND I OWN THE OTHER UNIT AND BY CODE WE HAVE A GUESS
11:48:13 SPACE.
11:48:13 WHERE IS THE GUEST SPACE GOING?
11:48:15 SO A LOT OF TIMES, THESE COME BEFORE YOU AS A WAIVER OR
11:48:21 AS BEING ON THE SIDE AND THEN NOW THEY HAVE A BUFFER
11:48:24 REDUCTION AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
11:48:30 SO WHEN YOU GO TO TOWNHOMES, WHICH IS THREE OR MORE
11:48:34 UNITS, AND YOU HAVE TO START TO ACCOMMODATE THAT VISITOR,
11:48:37 WHICH I REALLY THINK HISTORICALLY WAS BEHIND WHAT YOU
11:48:42 JUST REFERRED TO WITH THE QUADS, IN COURIER CITY OSKAWANA
11:48:50 ON THOSE OTHER AREAS, IF THERE'S ANOTHER ODDITY, SO A
11:48:54 TWO-CAR GARAGE AND A TWO-CAR PAD AND YOU STILL OWN A
11:48:59 SPACE EVEN IN THEORY YOU ARE HAVING FOUR SPACES PER UNIT.
11:49:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME JUST CLARIFY, MS. FEELEY, WHEN
11:49:08 YOU TALK ABOUT DUPLEX, IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE, OH, IT'S
11:49:12 JUST A LITTLE DUPLEX.
11:49:14 BUT THE REALITY IS A DOUBLE TOWN HOME, 2,000 SQUARE FEET
11:49:17 EACH, OKAY, IS STILL IN OUR CODE A DUPLEX.
11:49:21 SO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY -- SO NOW INSTEAD OF A
11:49:28 SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE, WITH TWO CARS ON THAT SAME LOT, VERY
11:49:30 OFTEN, IF THE CODE ALLOWS IT OR COUNCIL ALLOWS IT, WE ARE
11:49:36 PUTTING TWO HOMES, AND TYPICALLY THEY ARE 2,000 SQUARE
11:49:41 FEET OR MORE, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE TWO SPACES FOR
11:49:45 THEMSELVES EACH, WHICH WOULD BE FOUR SPACES, AND THEN ANY
11:49:52 VISITORS, THE MINUTE THEY HAVE A PARTY THAT ALL FLOWs
11:49:56 OUT.
11:49:58 AND WE OFTEN FIND THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT
11:50:02 NEIGHBORHOODS COMPLAIN ABOUT IS THE PARKING PROBLEM, AND
11:50:05 EMERGENCY VEHICLES GETTING UP AN DOWN THEIR STREETS,
11:50:09 PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND
11:50:11 EVERYTHING.
11:50:13 I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING FROM A PRACTICAL SENSE.
11:50:16 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THIS IS NOT MY MIND, SO THIS IS MR.
11:50:20 MICHELINI'S AMENDMENT.
11:50:22 SO THAT GETS PLACED IN A VERY ODD SITUATION TRYING TO
11:50:27 EXPLAIN AND DEFEND THAT.
11:50:29 SO I WOULD DEFER TO MR. MICHELINI.
11:50:36 IF YOU DO HAVE A TWO-CAR GARAGE AND A TWO-CAR PAD, TO ME
11:50:40 THAT IS FOUR SPACES AND THE GUEST IS ULTIMATELY A COMPLEX
11:50:46 ON THESE TWO UNITS IF THEY DO HAVE THAT SITUATION.
11:50:49 SO I WOULD REALLY DEFER TO MR. MICHELINI AS HE IS PUTTING
11:50:53 FORTH AT YOUR REQUEST.
11:51:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE CAN SPEAK TO IT AFTER MY NEXT
11:51:02 QUESTION.
11:51:03 THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 7.
11:51:04 I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
11:51:07 MS. DOCK OR MS. FEELEY, I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING IT.
11:51:12 >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN AN
11:51:18 AVERAGE IS MORE THAN THE 20 FOOT, SO --
11:51:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, I AM ON THE ALLOW FRONT ENTRANCES
11:51:25 FACING COURTYARDS.
11:51:27 NUMBER 7.
11:51:30 IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE DOING?
11:51:38 >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO RIGHT NOW, OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT ALL
11:51:43 FRONT ENTRANCES FACE THE STREET.
11:51:47 FOR A RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY DON'T FACE SIDE YARDS AND THEY
11:51:52 DO NOT FACE ALLEYS.
11:51:54 THEN WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN COME THROUGH A DESIGN
11:51:57 EXCEPTION TO REQUEST THAT THEY BE ABLE TO FACE THE
11:52:02 COURTYARD, AT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DISCRETION, AND
11:52:09 THAT IS A DESIGN EXCEPTION.
11:52:11 I BELIEVE WHAT MR. MICHELINI IS HERE IF THEY FACE A
11:52:15 COURTYARD THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN
11:52:17 EXCEPTION.
11:52:18 IS THAT CORRECT, MR. MICHELINI?
11:52:20 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES.
11:52:21 THAT'S CORRECT.
11:52:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:52:24 AND THIS DOCUMENT SAYS THAT STAFF, QUOTE, SUPPORTS THAT.
11:52:29 I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS IDEA?
11:52:33 >>STEVE MICHELINI: IF YOU WANT ME TO START THIS
11:52:39 DISCUSSION, IT'S REALLY A DESIGN OPPORTUNITY, AND IT'S
11:52:44 HISTORIC IN NATURE.
11:52:46 IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU
11:52:48 HAD A WALK-UP FRONT DOOR, AND THEN THE UNITS BROKE OFF TO
11:52:53 THE SIDE.
11:52:55 WHEN THE CODE WAS ADOPTED, WHEN THE MODIFICATION WAS
11:53:00 ADOPTED, STOPPED UNITS FROM FACING THE ALLEYS, I DON'T
11:53:05 THINK IT WAS INTENDED TO STOP COURTYARD-FACING UNITS, BUT
11:53:10 YOU WOULD HAVE AN INTERIOR COURTYARD WITH AN ADDRESS ON
11:53:13 THE SOUTH SIDE THAT FACED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT WOULD BE
11:53:16 CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS AN ENTRYWAY WHERE YOU WOULD WALK
11:53:19 THROUGH THAT AREA, AND THEN YOU QUO ACCESS YOUR
11:53:23 INDIVIDUAL UNIT.
11:53:27 WE REVIEWED THIS WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, BECAUSE
11:53:32 THERE SEEMED TO BE A CONCERN ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD IDENTIFY
11:53:36 THE UNITS, AND THEY WERE FINE WITH THAT, AND THEY WERE
11:53:39 ALSO FINE WITH THE ACCESS.
11:53:42 IT'S JUST ANOTHER DESIGN OPTION WHICH AS I SAID, IT'S
11:53:46 HISTORIC IN NATURE, IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT, AND WE WERE
11:53:51 TRYING TO ELIMINATE HAVING TO CONTINUE TO FILE DESIGN
11:53:54 EXCEPTIONS FOR SOMETHING WHICH WE THOUGHT SHOULD BE
11:53:58 ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
11:54:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, IF I F I MAY.
11:54:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE ARE LOOKING AT A NEW CONCEPT OF
11:54:12 HOUSES THAT JOINED BY COMMON WALL.
11:54:17 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SETBACK, AND I CAN SHOW YOU HOUSES
11:54:21 ON A SINGLE LOT THAT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT WE ARE
11:54:26 TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
11:54:28 WHERE THEY HAVE FIVE AND SIX AND SEVEN CARS IN FRONT OF
11:54:32 THE HOUSE, WHERE THE HOUSE WASN'T BUILT FOR THAT.
11:54:36 AND THE REASON IS KIDS ARE STAYING LONG WE ARE THEIR
11:54:40 PARENTS TO SAVE MONEY TORE BUY A HOUSE OR WHATEVER AND
11:54:43 THEY HAVE A CAR, AND THEY ARE LIVING WITH THEIR PARENTS.
11:54:46 SO I'M SURE THERE'S SOME IN DISTRICT 5 ALL OVER WHERE YOU
11:54:52 HAVE A HOUSE, AND I CAN SHOW YOU SOME ANYTIME YOU WANT,
11:54:56 NEW HOUSES BUILT, DOUBLE CAR GARAGE, THERE'S TWO CARS IN
11:54:59 IT, THERE'S TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THERE'S
11:55:02 TWO CARS BEHIND THEM, WHICH HALF OF IT IS BLOCKING THE
11:55:06 SIDEWALK.
11:55:07 AND THAT'S HOW IT IS.
11:55:09 SO I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A MAGICIAN.
11:55:13 THE FACT ARE THERE.
11:55:14 AND WE HAVE TO LOOK HE AT THE FACTS.
11:55:16 IT MEETS THE CODE AT THE TIME THEY BUY THE HOUSE.
11:55:19 BUT THEY PARK IN THE STREETS ARE NARROW AND YOU HAVE A
11:55:26 PROBLEM.
11:55:28 BUT THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING.
11:55:34 THE BUILDING WAS APPROVED.
11:55:35 EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED.
11:55:37 BUT THEN COMES THE AFTERMATH.
11:55:39 AND THERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT.
11:55:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I ONLY HAVE TWO
11:55:48 MORE ITEMS, 8 AND 9 WHICH IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK,
11:55:52 ALLOW FRONT YARD AT 20 FEET OR BLOCK AVERAGE, WHICHEVER
11:55:55 IS LESS.
11:55:57 AND I THINK I'M OKAY WITH IT BUT I JUST WANT TO GET
11:56:00 CONFER CONFIRMATION FROM MS. DOCK THAT THIS WENT TO THE
11:56:03 EAST TAMPA, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO IN EAST TAMPA
11:56:09 WOULD GO TO, MAYBE THE CAC, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER
11:56:16 GROUP.
11:56:16 AND ALSO IN REGARD TO WEST TAMPA, THAT THOSE GROUPS
11:56:21 SPECIFICALLY REVIEWED IT, UNDER IT, AND ACCEPTED IT.
11:56:27 AND MS. DOCK OR MS. FEELEY, JUST GIVE ME COMFORT ON THAT
11:56:31 ONE.
11:56:31 >>LACHONE DOCK: YES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:56:34 THE REQUEST WAS SENT TO BOTH THE EAST TAMPA AND WEST
11:56:37 TAMPA CRA FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.
11:56:41 WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY CONCERNS OR ANY COMMENTS FROM
11:56:44 EITHER CRA.
11:56:45 I DID ADVISE MR. MICHELINI TO REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO THE
11:56:50 WEST TAMPA CRA BECAUSE THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY CODE HAD
11:56:55 JUST COME THROUGH AND YOU MAY REMEMBER WE JUST HAD THE
11:56:59 REVISIONS TO THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY JUST TO MAKE SURE
11:57:02 THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THE REQUEST.
11:57:03 SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I CONFIRMED WITH THE WEST
11:57:06 TAMPA CAC AND CRA, THEY DID APPEAR AT ONE OF THE
11:57:11 MEETINGS, HE DID EXPLAIN HIS REQUESTS, THERE WERE NO
11:57:13 OBJECTIONS TO STEVE.
11:57:16 I KNOW HE DID APPEAR BEFORE THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
11:57:20 STEVE, JUST CONFIRM THAT YOU DID MAKE DIRECT CONTACT WITH
11:57:23 THE EAST TAMPA.
11:57:25 FROM THE CRAs, I RECEIVED NO COMMENT.
11:57:28 AND I DID CONFIRM THE WEST TAMPA.
11:57:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STEVE, WHAT WAS YOUR EXPOSURE
11:57:32 EXPERIENCE WITH EAST TAMPA?
11:57:34 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I TALKED TO BRENDA THROWER, WHO HAD
11:57:37 JUST TAKEN OVER THAT PORTION OF THE CRA, AND THEY HAD NO
11:57:42 OBJECTION.
11:57:43 AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY HAD EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING
11:57:46 WEST TAMPA HAD WHEN THEY HAD VERY LARGE DEEP LOTS, AND
11:57:52 YOU HAD NO OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
11:57:54 THEY WERE HAPPY WITH THAT.
11:57:56 ALL IT'S DOING IS ESTABLISHING A STANDARD FRONT --
11:58:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MICHELINI, EAST TAMPA HAS A CERTAIN
11:58:03 OVERLAY.
11:58:04 MS. THROWER IS NEW THERE.
11:58:06 AND I DON'T RECALL HEARING ANYTHING ABOUT ANYBODY GOING
11:58:08 TO DIANE HART, WHO ORIGINALLY SET THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY,
11:58:17 I DON'T RECALL ANY MEETING THAT YOU OR ANY GROUP WENT
11:58:21 BEFORE THE CAC TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
11:58:24 AND WHAT I SEE, GENTLEMEN, ALL THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT
11:58:29 ARE COMING, CHANGE AND THAT, NO ONE HAS TALKED TO THESE
11:58:33 NEIGHBORHOOD OR REALLY EXPLAINED WHAT THESE TEXT
11:58:35 AMENDMENTS -- TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PROPERTY REALLY IS,
11:58:39 AND WE ARE SITTING UP HERE. TO ME THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT
11:58:42 CONCEPT, A DEVELOPER CONCEPT.
11:58:44 THIS IS NOT A COMMUNITY DRIVEN IDEA OR CONCEPT.
11:58:47 AND FOR ME, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THESE, WE HAVE TO
11:58:51 HAVE SOME KIND OF STANDARD POLICY WITHIN THE CITY AS
11:58:53 RELATES TO THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
11:58:56 BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY ARE BEING FORCED OUT, AND
11:59:01 WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, YOU HAVE A LOT OF -- ALL
11:59:07 DEVELOPMENTAL ATTORNEYS AND DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE
11:59:10 PEOPLE.
11:59:10 REGARDLESS, WE HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND OUR
11:59:14 ATTORNEYS THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE
11:59:16 DEVELOPERS, BUT THE PEOPLE, AND MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE
11:59:19 UNDERSTAND.
11:59:22 WE GET ALL THESE CHARGES THROWN AT US AND THEY DON'T I
11:59:27 WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE BUYING INTO.
11:59:29 WE DIDN'T KNOW IT DID THAT.
11:59:30 AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
11:59:33 WE DON'T EDUCATE THE PEOPLE WELL ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND
11:59:36 WHAT WE WANT THEM TO KNOW.
11:59:39 WE JUST TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO.
11:59:42 I'M JUST SAYING -- LET STAFF KNOW, COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS A
11:59:45 PROBLEM FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND THE COMMUNITY NOT
11:59:48 BEING KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY
11:59:51 OR ANY TYPE OF FORM.
11:59:52 WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNTY, RIGHT NOW, GWEN MEYERS, SHE
11:59:57 HAS SIGNS ALL OVER THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
12:00:01 WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES, HER PHOTO ON THERE,
12:00:04 GIVE THE DATE AND TIME.
12:00:05 WE DO NONE OF THAT HERE AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE
12:00:08 MEETINGS ARE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING HALF THE
12:00:11 TIME, AND THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.
12:00:12 WE NEED TO FOLLOW SOME OF THE COUNTY'S PROTOCOLS AS
12:00:17 RELATES TO THE TOWNHOMES SO PEOPLE ARE PROPERLY NOTICED.
12:00:21 MR. DINGFELDER, I YIELD BACK TO YOU, SIR.
12:00:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION AND I AGREE
12:00:27 WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:00:29 UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IN REGARD TO THIS BATCH OF
12:00:35 PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS, I THINK
12:00:39 UNFORTUNATELY THE CODE ALLOWS THEM TO KIND OF CHUG
12:00:45 ALONG -- AND I WILL TAKE ADVICE FROM MS. WELLS, WHO IS
12:00:50 HERE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IT APPEARS THAT
12:00:53 SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE PALATABLE, AND SOME OF THEM IN MY
12:00:58 OPINION NEED CHANGING SLIGHTLY, AND SOME I WILL VOTE
12:01:01 AGAINST.
12:01:01 SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH MARCHING THROUGH THESE ON AN ITEM
12:01:06 BY ITEM BASIS, 1 THROUGH 9.
12:01:17 IF NOBODY IS APPEARING REMOTELY WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT BY
12:01:20 A QUICK VOTE INSTEAD OF A ROLL CALL VOTE, I THINK.
12:01:23 BUT MARCHING THROUGH 1 THROUGH 9 AND THEN JUST SEE WHERE
12:01:26 THAT TAKES US.
12:01:28 BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I AGREE WITH YOU
12:01:30 COMPLETELY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:01:33 OH, AND ALSO IN REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS ON
12:01:36 I GUESS JUNE 7th OR SOMETHING, WE HAVE ALL GOT
12:01:39 E-MAILS ABOUT THAT, AND HAVE BEEN WHO ATTENDED SAID IT
12:01:43 WAS QUITE A DISASTER, AND NO FAULT OF STAFF, BUT THEY
12:01:47 JUST SAID IT WAS A DISASTER IN TERMS OF RIG TRYING TO GET
12:01:52 A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THESE THINGS ARE ABOUT.
12:01:55 >>STEVE MICHELINI: MAY I BE RECOGNIZED, MR. CHAIRMAN?
12:02:05 THE WEST TAMPA AND EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT, THOSE
12:02:08 WERE REQUESTED BY THE STAFF FOR US TO INCLUDE IN OUR
12:02:12 PRESENTATION, AND QUITE HONESTLY, THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC
12:02:19 DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PUSHING THAT OR ANY PARTICULAR
12:02:24 BUILDER THAT WAS PUSHING THAT.
12:02:26 IT WAS DESIGNED TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE CODE AND ESTABLISH
12:02:30 WHAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS WOULD BE TO HELP PEOPLE, NOT
12:02:33 TO HURT THEM.
12:02:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
12:02:35 SO WE SHOULD HEAR FROM MRS. FEELEY IN REGARD TO THAT
12:02:39 STATEMENT.
12:02:41 >>STEVE MICHELINI: SHE WASN'T INVOLVED THEN.
12:02:42 SHE WASN'T BACK WITH THE CITY AT THAT POINT.
12:02:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHO ASKED YOU TO INCLUDE THIS?
12:02:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CATHY COYLE, GLORIA MOREDA.
12:02:51 THIS GOES BACK, THESE ARE FOUR YEARS OLD.
12:02:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:02:54 ALL RIGHT.
12:02:54 >>STEVE MICHELINI: SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT ABBYE ON THE
12:02:57 SPOT, BUT SHE INHERITED THIS.
12:03:00 SHE WAS JUST COMING BACK INTO THE CITY.
12:03:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW WHY THE -- THE CITY HAS
12:03:04 HAD PLENTY OF CHANCE TO DO THEIR OWN TEXT AMENDMENTS. I
12:03:07 DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ASKED YOU TO INCLUDE IT ON YOURS.
12:03:11 >>STEVE MICHELINI: WHEN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY CAME
12:03:14 THROUGH IT WAS TOO LATE TO INCLUDE THIS PROVISION IN
12:03:16 THEIR REQUEST.
12:03:18 SO THE TIMING WAS OFF.
12:03:23 I DID PERSONALLY TALK TO -- I WAS ON A ZOOM MEETING WITH
12:03:27 THE WEST TAMPA CAC, AND I REVIEWED THIS IN DETAIL WITH
12:03:32 THEM.
12:03:34 THEY NOT ONLY HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT, THEY APPLAUD IT
12:03:38 BECAUSE IT SOLVED A LOT OF THEIR PROBLEMS.
12:03:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO GO
12:03:42 AHEAD THROUGH AND MARCH THROUGH THESE WITH QUICK VOTES,
12:03:46 AND THEN WE CAN MOVE SOME OF THEM FORWARD AND MAYBE SOME
12:03:48 OF THEM STOP.
12:03:51 CAN WE DO THAT?
12:03:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY?
12:04:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T BLAME HIM.
12:04:02 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:04:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I -- WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD
12:04:11 QUESTIONS, MAKING SURE THAT CRAS AND STUFF ARE NOTIFIED
12:04:15 PROPERLY AND MAKING SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
12:04:17 SO I AM NOT INCLINED TO TAKE MOTIONS ON THIS TODAY.
12:04:22 I WOULD RATHER WAIT AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTIES
12:04:26 UNDERSTAND, AND ALSO I BELIEVE WE HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT
12:04:30 TEXT AMENDMENTS, HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE GO FORWARD WITH
12:04:33 THAT IN THE FUTURE.
12:04:34 IS THAT CORRECT?
12:04:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ON AUGUST 15th OR AUGUST 4th?
12:04:37 WHAT DID WE DEFER THOSE OTHER ONES TO?
12:04:39 AUGUST 26th?
12:04:40 >>LACHONE DOCK: YES, AUGUST 26th.
12:04:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T WE JUST DEFER ALL OF THESE
12:04:46 UNTIL AUGUST 26th THEN?
12:04:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE PETITIONER TO COME BACK WITH
12:04:54 SOMETHING --
12:04:57 >>BILL CARLSON: IN ADDITION TO THE CACs, I RECOMMEND
12:05:00 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, PARTICULARLY RECONSTITUTED
12:05:03 T.H.A.N., BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
12:05:09 IMPACT WOULD BE TO THEM.
12:05:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MY MOTION IS TO DEFER ITEM 5 TO
12:05:17 AUGUST 26th TO COINCIDE WITH THE REST OF OUR PITA
12:05:21 DISCUSSIONS.
12:05:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
12:05:24 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:05:25 ANY OPPOSED?
12:05:26 MOTION CARRIED.
12:05:28 GENTLEMEN, I AM GOING TO ASK A QUESTION.
12:05:29 WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 9.
12:05:31 WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE, MR. SHELBY, IS THAT
12:05:35 CORRECT, TO SPEAK?
12:05:38 BREAK FOR LUNCH NOW AND GET THOSE FOLKS ON THE BACK END
12:05:41 WHEN WE GET BACK HERE, OR TAKE THOSE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE
12:05:45 NOW?
12:05:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE HAVE TO DO THE 1:30?
12:05:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BE BACK AT 1:30.
12:05:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, FUR GOING TO TAKE A
12:05:58 RECESS NOW, AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE AT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
12:06:02 AT 1:30, WOULD YOU HAVE A RECESS OF THIS MEETING TODAY
12:06:06 NOW UNTIL 2:00?
12:06:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAYBE 2:00.
12:06:10 THE REST OF THE AGENDA ITEMS SHOULDN'T BE TOO INVOLVED.
12:06:13 7 AND 8.
12:06:14 A FEW QUESTIONS.
12:06:15 SHOULDN'T TAP VERY LONG.
12:06:16 WE SHOULD GET THAT OUT.
12:06:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THE DIRECTION TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
12:06:22 WAITING THAT DO WISH TO SPEAK?
12:06:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. MIRANDA'S AIDE
12:06:26 SAID THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM COMING BACK.
12:06:30 I SEE JEAN DUNCAN.
12:06:31 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
12:06:36 WE WERE JUST INQUIRING ABOUT YOUR SCHEDULE BECAUSE WE DO
12:06:41 HAVE SOME FOLKS READY TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 9.
12:06:44 WE DO HAVE ONE LADY WHO WILL BE CATCHING A PLANE AT 3:00.
12:06:47 SO IF WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR SCHEDULE AND YOUR OTHER
12:06:50 ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE, SO JUST WANTING TO GET THE LATEST ON
12:06:54 THE SCHEDULE SO WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
12:06:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'LL TAKE ITEM NUMBER 9 AT 2:00.
12:07:09 WE'LL TAKE A RECESS UNTIL 2:00.
12:07:29
12:07:33 [ COUNCIL RECESS ]
02:00:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.
02:01:02 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
02:01:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
02:01:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
02:01:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
02:01:09 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
02:01:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
02:01:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
02:01:12 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
02:01:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE WE START, GENTLEMEN, I DID NOT
02:01:18 LOOK AT THE NEWS THIS MORNING.
02:01:25 AS I WAS EATING MY LUNCH I TURNED ON THE TELEVISION TO
02:01:27 CNN.
02:01:28 I DID NOT KNOW WE HAD A DEVASTATING SITUATION IN MIAMI.
02:01:32 I WATCHED THE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THAT.
02:01:40 THE VIDEO FOOTAGE IS HORRENDOUS.
02:01:44 THERE ARE GOING TO BE MANY CASUALTIES.
02:01:47 AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR
02:01:50 THOSE FAMILIES, THE FIREFIGHTERS, AS THEY TRY TO SEARCH
02:01:56 AND FIND FOLKS LOVED ONES.
02:02:00 THEY ARE GOING TO NEED OUR PRAYERS.
02:02:01 IF WE COULD TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE.
02:02:05 (MOMENT OF SILENCE).
02:02:08 I THANK YOU.
02:02:13 WE ARE GOING TO JUMP IN MR. SHELBY TO ITEM NUMBER 9.
02:02:17 I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A
02:02:19 WHILE.
02:02:21 GENTLEMEN, DO YOU PREFER THAT STAFF GO WITH THE
02:02:24 PRESENTATION AND THEN WE HEAR FROM ANYONE FOR PUBLIC
02:02:27 COMMENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THOSE
02:02:30 FOLKS FIRST?
02:02:32 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THE PUBLIC TO
02:02:34 COMMENT ON WHATEVER THEY HEAR, UNLESS THEY DON'T WANT TO
02:02:37 WAIT.
02:02:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL GO AHEAD.
02:02:42 ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING?
02:02:51 IF THE STAFF WANTS TO DO THEIR PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE
02:02:55 WILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
02:02:56 >>JEAN DUNCAN: GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:03:07 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR INTEREST THIS AFTERNOON
02:03:09 REGARDING OUR PURE PROJECTS.
02:03:12 AS I SAID A COUPLE TIMES, THIS PURE BASICALLY IS OUR
02:03:15 ACRONYM FOR PURIFIED USABLE RESOURCES FOR THE
02:03:21 ENVIRONMENT, A PROCESS THAT WE SUSPECT WILL END UP WITH A
02:03:24 PROJECT FOR TAMPA INTERESTED IN SUSTAINABILITY AND
02:03:30 RESILIENCY.
02:03:31 I WANT TO THE TAKE A MOMENT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WILL
02:03:34 BE INTRODUCING OUR CONSULTANT TEAM WHO IS ON THE SECOND
02:03:36 FLOOR.
02:03:37 WE ALSO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE ON OUR INDEPENDENT PANEL THAT
02:03:41 WILL BE CALLING IN VIRTUALLY, SO THEY ARE PART OF THE
02:03:43 PRESENTATION.
02:03:45 AND I WILL INTRODUCE THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH.
02:03:48 WE'LL KEEP THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN GET
02:03:51 TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND THE PUBLIC INPUT AS SOON AS WE
02:03:55 SHARE A BIT OF INFORMATION.
02:03:57 JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS PROCESS STARTED WITH OUR
02:04:03 INTEREST IN SOLVING THREE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE
02:04:06 IDENTIFIED, ONE TO REDUCE THE BENEFICIAL NONRECLAIMED
02:04:14 WATER THAT GOES INTO THE BAY CURRENTLY, THE OTHER TO
02:04:17 IMPROVE THE NECESSARY FLOWS FOR THE HEALTH AND VOLUME OF
02:04:21 OUR RIVER, AND THE THIRD FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO PREPARE
02:04:24 FOR CONDITIONS UNFORESEEN THAT MAY COME IN THE FUTURE SO
02:04:27 WE ALWAYS HAVE A SUSTAINED WATER SUPPLY AND OPTIONS FOR
02:04:31 THAT WATER SUPPLY.
02:04:35 YOU VERY QUICKLY AS A REMINDER, WE CAME TO YOU AT THE
02:04:38 BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR WITH A LOT OF ENERGY, AND ENOUGH
02:04:43 THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF OUR SCHEDULE.
02:04:45 AT THAT TIME WE ANNOUNCED ABOUT $10 MILLION FOR THE
02:04:50 BEGINNING OF A DESIGN CONCEPT, AND WE WANTED TO INITIATE
02:04:55 WITH CO-FUNDING WITH SWFWMD.
02:04:57 THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS BOARD, WE REALIZED WE
02:05:00 NEEDED TO PUT A SLOWER PACE ON THINGS AND TAKE A DEEPER
02:05:04 DIVE INTO THE PUBLIC ENGAGE.
02:05:06 AS WELL AS THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS.
02:05:08 WE ALSO ENGAGED WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE LEAGUE
02:05:11 OF WOMEN VOTERS, SIERRA CLUB, AND THE FRIENDS OF THE
02:05:15 RIVER, HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
02:05:17 IF ANY OF THEM ARE WATCHING THIS AFTERNOON, WE WANT TO
02:05:20 THANK THEM FOR ALL THE TIME THEY PUT IN SO FAR AND WE
02:05:22 KNOW THEY WILL HAVE CONTINUED COLLABORATION WITH US AS WE
02:05:26 MOVE FORWARD.
02:05:26 WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR TIME AND INTEREST.
02:05:32 OUR THIRD DISCUSSION IN JANUARY CAME BACK THE NEXT MONTH
02:05:35 WITH A MUCH REDUCED REQUEST FOR $650,000 TO BE SPENT ON A
02:05:40 MORE THOROUGH ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS FOR SOME FUNDING FOR
02:05:45 INDEPENDENT PANEL REVIEW OF THE CONCEPT WE WERE
02:05:49 DISCUSSING FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND TO MATCH THE SWFWMD
02:06:00 FUNDS FOR A CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT WHICH ARE ALL UNDERWAY
02:06:02 NOW.
02:06:02 SO TODAY WE WANT TO SHARE BACK FURTHER DETAIL OF WHAT WE
02:06:06 HAVE PROVIDED IN MAY, WHICH WAS SOME OF THE INDEPENDENT
02:06:10 PANEL REVIEW RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUTPUTS.
02:06:14 WE ALSO WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE FINAL
02:06:17 VERSION OF OUR ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS, AND CERTAINLY LET
02:06:21 OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE A CHANCE TO SHARE SOME INITIAL WORK
02:06:25 THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND WE
02:06:28 ANTICIPATE DOING A LOT MORE OF THAT, AND WE WILL BE
02:06:31 LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO CONTINUES MORE OF THAT PUBLIC
02:06:33 OUTREACH GOING FORWARD.
02:06:34 SO WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO ASK BRAD TO GET US STARTED,
02:06:38 AND HE WILL BE WORKING LOGISTICS FOR OUR TEAM ON THE
02:06:42 SECOND FLOOR AS THEY HAVE A PART IN THE PRESENTATIONS.
02:06:45 THANK YOU.
02:06:45 >>BRAD BAIRD: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
02:06:56 LET ME ADVANCE THE SLIDES HERE.
02:06:59 THE ORDER THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH IS FIRST THE PUBLIC
02:07:02 OUTREACH, WHICH WAS I THINK THE FIRST MOTION MADE FOR
02:07:05 THIS WORKSHOP, AND THEN WE WILL GO VIRTUAL WITH NWRI AND
02:07:13 THE RESEARCH DONE ON THE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS, AND THEN
02:07:15 FINALLY A SUMMARY OF THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
02:07:19 SO STARTING WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE RETAINED HDR
02:07:25 ENGINEERING FOR THE INITIAL PUBLIC OUTREACH SERVICES, AND
02:07:28 THAT WAS AFTER YOUR APPROVAL OF THE $650,000 IN FEBRUARY.
02:07:34 AND THE TEAM WE HAVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO TALK IS THREE
02:07:39 PEOPLE FROM HDR.
02:07:44 KATIE DOODY, THE VICE PRESIDENT, AND MICHELLE BRENNAN,
02:07:49 AND TERESA DONALDSON.
02:07:51 AND THEY, MICHELLE WILL BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION.
02:07:55 SO WITH THAT, MICHELLE, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
02:08:00 >> THANK YOU, BRAD.
02:08:07 MY NAME IS MICHELLE BRENNAN AND I AM PART OF HDR'S BE
02:08:12 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION TEAM.
02:08:13 AS BRAD MENTIONED WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SHARE OUR
02:08:16 HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THIS INITIAL ROUND OF PUBLIC
02:08:19 OUTREACH SURROUNDING THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE.
02:08:25 CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE?
02:08:28 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
02:08:29 FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS INITIAL OUTREACH PHASE WAS TO
02:08:32 FIRST GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF INDUSTRY BEST
02:08:36 PRACTICES RELATED TO COMMUNICATION AND ENGAGEMENT
02:08:38 SURROUNDING REUSE PROGRAM.
02:08:40 AND SECONDLY, WAS TO LEARN ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY'S
02:08:43 UNDERSTANDING OF WATER RESOURCES, RELIABILITY, AND REUSE,
02:08:48 PLUS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THESE TYPES OF
02:08:51 PROGRAMS.
02:08:53 AND OUR NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE GOING TO TALK THROUGH OUR
02:08:57 APPROACH, WHICH IS THREE STRATEGIES.
02:09:00 FIRST, WE CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS WITH UTILITIES THAT ARE
02:09:03 CURRENTLY EXPLORING OR IMPLEMENTING REUSE PROGRAMS.
02:09:07 SECONDLY WE HOSTED A SERIES OF MEETING CONVERSATIONS,
02:09:11 FOCUS GROUPS, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUSINESS LEADERS.
02:09:14 AND THIRDLY, THE STRATEGIC COMMUNITY SURVEY TO RESIDENT
02:09:19 AND BUSINESSES.
02:09:20 I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF, ESPECIALLY CHUCK AND SONYA,
02:09:25 RANDY FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP, FIRST TO HELP IDENTIFY THE
02:09:28 UTILITIES AND COMMUNITY CONVERSATION PARTICIPANTS, AND
02:09:31 ALSO FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE IN PROMOTING AND DISTRIBUTING
02:09:34 THE SURVEY.
02:09:35 OUR OUTREACH TOOK PLACE FROM MARCH 22ND AND WENT THROUGH
02:09:39 MAY 27.
02:09:42 SO LET'S TAKE A DEEPER LOOK INTO B WHAT YOUR INDUSTRY
02:09:49 OUTREACH EVENTS LOOK LIKE.
02:09:50 ALL WHO HAVE SUCCESSFUL REUSE PROGRAMS OR ARE RESEARCHING
02:09:54 AND PLANNING FOR INNOVATIVE WATER REUSE PROGRAMS.
02:09:57 IN FACT SOME OF THESE UTILITIES STARTED THEIR WATER REUSE
02:10:01 PROGRAM IN THE EARLY 1960s.
02:10:03 IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN 400 WATER
02:10:06 REUSE INITIATIVES UNDERWAY IN THE UNITED STATES, AND WE
02:10:11 DID CONDUCT OUR PHONE INTERVIEWS FROM MARCH 22ND TO MAY
02:10:15 2nd AND CAPTURED IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON HOW THESE
02:10:17 UTILITIES EDUCATE AND ENGAGE THEIR COMMUNITIES.
02:10:19 AS YOU CAN SEE IMAGINE, THE PROGRAMS VARY TREMENDOUSLY IN
02:10:23 SIZE AND SCALE, BUT AS A REMINDER OUR CONVERSATION
02:10:27 PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THEIR OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION
02:10:30 EFFORTS I.DO QUANTITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT ALL THE UTILITIES
02:10:33 WE SPOKE WITH WERE PROUD ABOUT THEIR PROGRAMS AND OFFERED
02:10:35 TO BE A CONTINUED RESOURCE TO THE CITY STAFF.
02:10:38 OUR DISTRICTS ARE FINDING AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE
02:10:41 UTILITIES, THEY ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THE TOPIC OF RE R REUSE
02:10:46 HAS OPENED THE DOOR FOR A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN OUR
02:10:48 COMMUNITY, AND THEIR REUSE PROGRAMS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE,
02:10:51 AND THEREFORE THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR COMMUNITIES
02:10:54 HAVE ALSO CONTINUED TO EVOLVING.
02:10:58 IN ADDITION, THERE WAS ALSO SEVERAL OVERARCHING THEMES
02:11:01 ASSOCIATED WITH BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO COMMUNICATIONS
02:11:04 AND ENGAGEMENT SURROUNDING THE REUSE PROGRAM.
02:11:07 FIRST, THAT THESE PROJECTS TAKE TIME AND THEY DON'T
02:11:10 HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
02:11:11 SO AS THE PROGRAM EVOLVES, IT'S CRITICAL THAT OUTREACH
02:11:15 EDUCATION MOVE IN TANDEM WITH THE PROGRAM.
02:11:17 IT CANNOT OPERATE IN A SILO.
02:11:19 AND THIS ENGAGEMENT MUST BE SO.
02:11:22 SECONDLY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP PARTNERSHIPS.
02:11:24 ALL OF THE UTILITIES DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE OF PARTNERING
02:11:27 WITH ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, AS WELL THE IMPORTANCE OF
02:11:30 WORKING WITH OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS INCLUDING YOUR
02:11:32 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
02:11:34 THIRD, ALL THE UTILITIES DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE OF
02:11:37 COLLABORATING WITH ELECTED LEADERSHIP AT THE LOCAL, STATE
02:11:41 AND FEDERAL LEVEL AS APPROPRIATE BASED ON PUBLIC AND
02:11:46 COMMUNITY.
02:11:46 IT WAS CLEAR AFTER TALKING TO ALL OF THESE UTILITIES THAT
02:11:48 PARTNERSHIP, INCLUSIVE ENGAGEMENT AND CONTINUOUS
02:11:51 EDUCATION STRONGLY SUPPORTED THE SUCCESS OF THEIR
02:11:53 PROGRAM.
02:11:57 JUST A FEW OF THE QUOTES THAT WE GATHERED FROM THE
02:11:59 UTILITIES WE SPOKE WITH.
02:12:00 AS YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS DEFINITELY CONSENSUS SURROUNDING
02:12:03 THE IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT.
02:12:11 I AM GOING TO TRANSITION AND SHARE SOME OF OUR FINDINGS
02:12:14 FROM THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND SURVEY.
02:12:18 HOSTED FOUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND INCLUDED A
02:12:21 SURVEY.
02:12:22 MOST OF THE PARTICIPANTS WE SPOKE WITH, THEY JUST WANT TO
02:12:25 LEARN MORE.
02:12:25 THIS COMMUNITY HAS AN AWARENESS OF THE TOP I CAN OF REUSE
02:12:29 AND THEY HAVE AN APPETITE TO LEARN MORE.
02:12:31 THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND
02:12:34 COMMUNITY SURVEY RESULTS.
02:12:35 AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION.
02:12:38 HOWEVER, THERE IS A NEED TO DO MORE, BOTH GEOGRAPHICALLY
02:12:41 AS WELL AS INCLUDE MORE PARTICIPANTS.
02:12:43 FOR CONTEXT, THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WERE LIKE FOCUS
02:12:47 GROUPS, DESIGNED TO BE SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS THAT
02:12:49 ALLOWED US TO DO SOME POLLING, BUT WE ALSO SPENT A LOT OF
02:12:52 TIME DISCUSSING THE RESULTS AND THE FEEDBACK.
02:12:55 WE HOSTED FOUR OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ON MAY 4th AT
02:12:58 NOON AND 7 P.M. AND MAY 6th AT NOON AND 6 P.M.
02:13:03 A TOTAL OF 19 PARTICIPANTS REPRESENTED 11 NEIGHBORHOODS
02:13:06 IN OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.
02:13:08 WE WORKED WITH MORAY HOMES, ENGAGEMENT MANAGER TO INVITE
02:13:13 NEIGHBORHOOD HOA LEADERS, WORKED WITH MICHELLE VAN LOAN
02:13:17 TO IDENTIFY AREA BUSINESS LEADERS AND STAFF ALSO
02:13:20 REFLECTED CONTACTS FROM THE CITY TO BE ADDED TO THE
02:13:25 CONVERSATION LIST.
02:13:26 IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK ONE SLIDE AND JUST GOING TO PAUSE
02:13:29 FOR A FEW MOMENTS ON THAT SLIDE.
02:13:31 THANK YOU.
02:13:31 FOR OUR SURVEY IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE
02:13:34 WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:13:38 SO AS A RESULT WE USED A VARIETY OF TARGETED EFFORTS TO
02:13:41 PROMOTE THE SURVEY.
02:13:42 WE DISTRIBUTED A LINK TO HOA AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS
02:13:45 FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT MANAGER AND ASKED THEM
02:13:48 TO SHARE AMONG THEIR NEIGHBORS.
02:13:50 WE DISTRIBUTED TO CRA BUSINESS LEADERS, FROM CITY STAFF,
02:13:54 WE POSTED IT ON NEXT DOOR MULTIPLE TIMES, WE SHARED IT
02:13:57 WITH HR TO PROMOTE CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES, WE WORKED
02:14:00 WITH THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY TO DISTRIBUTE A FLIER,
02:14:04 WE HAD 414 SURVEY PARTICIPANTS AND THE SURVEY WAS LIVE
02:14:08 MAY 10 THROUGH 27.
02:14:11 SO OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND OUR SURVEY QUESTIONS
02:14:14 WERE REALLY GROUPED INTO FOUR CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE ON
02:14:17 THIS NEXT SLIDE.
02:14:18 DEMOGRAPHICS, DRINKING WATER, RECLAIMED WATER, ENGAGEMENT
02:14:21 AND EDUCATION.
02:14:22 OUR DEMOGRAPHIC QUESTIONS INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM
02:14:25 PARTICIPANTS' AGE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY LIVE IN, AND THE
02:14:28 LENGTH OF TIME THEY LIVED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:14:32 AN INTERESTING RESULT WAS THAT MOST OF OUR PARTICIPANTS
02:14:34 WERE OVER 50 YEARS IN AGE AND THE STRONG MAJORITY HAD
02:14:37 LIVED IN TAMPA FOR TEN-PLUS YEARS.
02:14:40 OUR DRINKING WATER QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON QUANTITY,
02:14:43 QUALITY, AND RESILIENCY, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE
02:14:46 PARTICIPANTS BELIEVED THAT ACCESS IN THE FUTURE MAY BE AN
02:14:49 ISSUE AND SUPPORT THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO EXPLORE OPTIONS.
02:14:54 RECLAIMED WATER QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON TREATMENT, SAFETY,
02:14:57 AND DESTINATION.
02:14:59 WHILE MOST PARTICIPANTS DO BELIEVE IT'S POSSIBLE TO TREAT
02:15:02 RECLAIMED WATER TO HIGH ENOUGH STANDARDS TO DRINK, THERE
02:15:05 STILL IS A DESIRE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND LEARN
02:15:08 MORE.
02:15:09 ANY ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON THEIR
02:15:13 INTEREST IN REUSE AND PARTICIPANTS PROVIDED IDEAS OF HOW
02:15:16 THE CITY CAN ENHANCE THEIR CURRENT OUTREACH AND EDUCATION
02:15:20 EFFORTS.
02:15:22 OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS REALLY PRESENTED A FACE SPACE
02:15:26 FOR AN EXCHANGE OF COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS AND IT WAS
02:15:28 REALLY POWERFUL TO HEAR THAT ALL THE PARTICIPANTS WERE IN
02:15:31 SUPPORT OF THE CITY EXPLORING THIS TOPIC, A AN INNOVATIVE
02:15:35 WAY TO KEEP UP WITH INCREASING DEMANDS FOR WATER.
02:15:40 YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WERE REALLY EAGER TO
02:15:43 PARTICIPATE WITH THE CITY ON THIS TOPIC.
02:15:45 I PERSONALLY ENJOYED MY TIME SO MUCH WITH BEING AND
02:15:49 ENGAGING WITH THEM.
02:15:50 THERE'S SO MUCH PRIDE AND LOVE FOR THIS CITY, IT FILLED
02:15:53 MY HEART WHEN WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
02:15:55 WE ALSO DID SOME POLLING AS WELL DURING THE COMMUNITY
02:15:58 CONVERSATIONS, AND THE BIG TAKEAWAY THAT WE LEARNED FROM
02:16:01 THE POLLING QUESTION WAS THAT THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF
02:16:04 TRUST IN THE CITY TO PROVIDE RELIABLE CLEAN AND SAFE
02:16:06 DRINKING WATER, AND NOT ONLY IS THIS TOPIC SOMETHING THAT
02:16:10 THEY WANT THE CITY TO EXPLORE, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO KNOW
02:16:13 MORE ABOUT IT, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR
02:16:15 EDUCATION.
02:16:18 AS WITH THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS, WE SAW SIMILAR
02:16:21 FINDINGS ON OUR POLLING QUESTIONS WITH OUR SURVEY.
02:16:25 AGAIN, MOST OF THE RESPONDENTS HAVE TRUST IN THE CITY TO
02:16:28 PROVIDE CLEAN AND SAFE DRINKING WATER, AND MORE THAN HALF
02:16:31 WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WATER REUSE.
02:16:33 IT WAS POWERFUL TO SEE THESE RESULTS.
02:16:35 HOWEVER, YOUR COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS
02:16:38 SURROUNDING WATER REUSE.
02:16:40 I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THESE TWO QUESTIONS DURING THIS
02:16:42 PRESENTATION AND THE RESULTS, BECAUSE IT REALLY
02:16:45 DEMONSTRATES THE AMAZING CULTURE OF COMMUNITY TRUST WE
02:16:49 HAVE IN TAMPA, AND A WILLINGNESS TO LEARN MORE, AND BOTH
02:16:53 OF THESE ARE CRITICAL ELEMENTS, SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC
02:16:56 ENGAGEMENT PROGRAMS.
02:16:58 AND BOTH THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND THE SURVEY, WE
02:17:00 HAD A LOT OF OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS, AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE
02:17:03 YOU WILL SEE THEY DIDN'T GENERATE STATISTICS OR
02:17:06 PERCENTAGES, BUT REALLY PROVIDED VALUABLE INSIGHT AS TO
02:17:10 HOW THE COMMUNITY'S QUESTIONS AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY
02:17:12 QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ARE AROUND WATER REUSE.
02:17:16 IT INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM HEALTH AND SAFETY, CONCERNS
02:17:20 FROM CONTAMINATION TO SICKNESS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT,
02:17:23 PUTTING THE WATER BACK INTO THE GROUND DURING SURFACE
02:17:27 WATERS, ACCESS, AVAILABILITY, HOW DOES FUTURE GROWTH AND
02:17:31 DEMAND IMPACT THE WATER SUPPLY, AND QUALITY, TASTE AND
02:17:35 SMELL.
02:17:36 SO WE HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
02:17:39 AND CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD, WE FOLLOWED IT UP WITH
02:17:41 ANOTHER OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, AND WE ASKED, HOW COULD THE
02:17:44 CITY DO BETTER TO COMMUNICATE AND CONNECT WITH RESIDENTS
02:17:47 AND BUSINESSES ON THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE?
02:17:50 AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU WILL SEE WHAT WE HEARD WAS THAT
02:17:53 THEY WANT MORE.
02:17:54 THEY WANT MORE COMMUNICATION, THEY WANT IT MORE
02:17:57 FREQUENTLY, THEY WANT IT MORE ACCESSIBLY.
02:17:59 THEY ARE INTERESTED IN INCORPORATING SOME SORT OF
02:18:02 INTERACTIVE EDUCATION.
02:18:04 IT'S DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY A COMPLEX TOPIC
02:18:07 AND IT'S REALLY NOT AS AN ENGINEER TO UNDERSTAND THE
02:18:11 COMPLEXITY OF THESE TOPICS.
02:18:12 SO INTERACTIVE EDUCATION.
02:18:14 THEY LOVE THE SMALL GROUP CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD.
02:18:17 THEY LIKE THE CITY TO GO TO WHERE THEY ARE, ATTEND MORE
02:18:20 EVENTS, AND DEFINITELY STRENGTHEN SOME OF THOSE
02:18:24 PARTNERSHIPS WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, YOUR SCHOOLS,
02:18:27 AND REALLY LEVERAGE YOUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE MEDIA.
02:18:30 SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US?
02:18:32 SO IT STARTS THIS PRESENTATION WITH RECOGNIZING THAT THE
02:18:35 INITIAL PHASE OF OUTREACH WAS REALLY CONDUCTED IN A
02:18:38 CONDENSED TIME FRAME, AND THE RESULTS ARE NOT
02:18:41 REPRESENTATIVE OF THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE CITY.
02:18:43 HOWEVER, IT DID PAINT A PICTURE THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS
02:18:47 READY TO LEARN MORE, AND WE WANT TO BE AN ACTIVE
02:18:51 PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION.
02:18:52 IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE CITY HAS DONE SOME OUTREACH AND
02:18:55 SURVEY ON THE TOPIC OF WATER SUPPLY AND QUALITY, AND THAT
02:18:58 INITIAL OUTREACH AND SURVEYING GENERATED A HEIGHTENED
02:19:02 AWARENESS AND INTEREST ON THIS TOPIC AND YOUR RESIDENTS
02:19:05 AND BUSINESSES WERE THANKFUL, AND THEY WANT TO BE PART OF
02:19:08 CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION.
02:19:10 ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON TAKING WHAT WE HAVE
02:19:13 LEARNED AND IMPLEMENTING A MORE INCLUSIVE EDUCATION AND
02:19:16 ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY AROUND WATER REUSE.
02:19:19 SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE
02:19:23 TOPIC OF WATER REUSE IS COMPLEX, IT'S VERY PERSONAL, AND
02:19:27 IT RECOGNIZES THAT IT DESERVES DEDICATED TIME, ENERGY AND
02:19:31 RESOURCES.
02:19:32 FIRST, IT'S CRITICAL THAT ANY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION BE
02:19:36 IN TANDEM WITH THE PROJECT, A BASELINE UNDERSTANDING OF
02:19:41 THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS AND WORKING THROUGH THOSE
02:19:43 TOGETHER.
02:19:45 SECOND, BUILDING AN INCLUSIVE AND MEASURABLE EDUCATION
02:19:48 AND ENGAGEMENT CAMPAIGN.
02:19:50 I HEARD COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTION AT YOUR LAST WORKSHOP
02:19:54 THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
02:19:58 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO REACH AS
02:20:01 MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
02:20:02 AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
02:20:04 AND OUR THIRD RECOMMENDATION IS, ONCE YOU HAVE MADE THE
02:20:08 COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC EDUCATION AND
02:20:10 OUTREACH, YOU WILL NEED TO DEDICATE THE RESOURCES TO
02:20:14 IMPLEMENT THEM.
02:20:15 I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
02:20:17 OUR FINDINGS.
02:20:18 IT WAS SUCH AN HONOR TO WORK WITH THIS GREAT CITY TEAM,
02:20:22 AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO ALL OF YOUR
02:20:24 CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THESE IMPORTANT TOPIC OF WATER.
02:20:27 THE CITY OF TAMPA IS TRULY A SPECIAL PLACE TO LIVE AND
02:20:30 WORK.
02:20:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
02:20:33 COULD YOU SPELL YOUR COMPLETE NAME?
02:20:37 THE CLERK WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD
02:20:39 PLEASE.
02:20:39 >> ABSOLUTELY.
02:20:42 MICHELE, M-I-C-H-E-L-E, LAST NAME BRENNAN, B-R-E-N-N-A-N.
02:20:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOUR TITLE AGAIN?
02:20:51 >> I AM PART OF HDR'S STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM.
02:20:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF HER RECOMMENDATION?
02:21:05 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. DINGFELDER.
02:21:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. BRENNAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
02:21:10 PRESENTATION.
02:21:11 I HAD TO STEP OUT OF THE ROOM FOR A MINUTE SO YOU MIGHT
02:21:13 HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS, BUT IN ADDITION TO YOUR
02:21:17 SYNOPSIS AND COMPILATION OF THE INFORMATION AND DATA,
02:21:23 COULD YOU PROVIDE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH THE EXACT
02:21:27 QUESTIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE SURVEY?
02:21:34 YOU MIGHT HAVE SENT MY OFFICE A COPY OF THE SURVEY ASKING
02:21:37 US TO TAKE IT.
02:21:38 I DON'T REMEMBER.
02:21:39 BUT, ANYWAY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME I WOULD JUST LIKE TO
02:21:42 BE SEE HOW THE QUESTIONS WERE WORDED, AND SPECIFICALLY
02:21:46 WHAT THEY WERE.
02:21:47 >> YES, SIR, ABSOLUTELY.
02:21:49 STAFF WILL SEND THAT TO ALL OF YOUR OFFICES.
02:21:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
02:21:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO.
02:21:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. BENNETT, THANK YOU FOR THIS
02:21:58 WONDERFUL REPORT.
02:21:58 I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS.
02:22:01 ONE THING I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR FROM A CONSTITUENT IS, A
02:22:05 FRIEND TOLD ME, OR, I SAW ON THE INTERNET.
02:22:09 I AGREE, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE OUTREACH.
02:22:14 THIS PLAN IS JUST LIKE TAKING WATER OUT OF MY TOILET AND
02:22:17 MAKING ME DRINK.
02:22:19 SO YES, YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT.
02:22:21 YOU SHOWED US A SLIDE THAT SAID 50 OR MORE PLACES THAT
02:22:24 REUSES WATER.
02:22:26 OF THOSE 50 PLACES, ARE THEY UNIQUE LIKE THE CITY OF
02:22:29 TAMPA WHERE WE HAVE A WONDERFUL SOURCE OF WATER LIKE THE
02:22:35 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, OR DO THOSE OTHER 50 PLACE VERSUS TO
02:22:39 BUY THEIR WATER OR PUMP IT OUT OF THE GROUND?
02:22:42 >> OUR FOCUS -- A GREAT QUESTION.
02:22:45 OUR FOCUS WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THE UTILITIES, WE REALLY
02:22:48 FOCUSED ON HOW THEY COMMUNICATE AND ENGAGE WITH THEIR
02:22:52 COMMUNITY AROUND THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE.
02:22:55 I HAD MENTIONED BRIEFLY AND I KNOW I DIDN'T DO IT
02:22:57 JUSTICE, THAT THIS PROGRAM VARIES TREMENDOUSLY AND THE
02:23:03 SIZE, SCALE AND PURPOSE.
02:23:04 SO ARE THEY IMPACT EXACTLY LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA?
02:23:10 IF CHUCK WANTS TO ANSWER THAT, OR IF WE CAN JUST SAY THAT
02:23:14 THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE REUSE PROGRAM AND WE WERE ASKING BEST
02:23:19 PRACTICES ASSOCIATED WITH ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS
02:23:22 SPECIFICALLY.
02:23:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. BRENNAN, I KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT
02:23:30 THEY WILL SAY, THAT AGAIN PEOPLE OF TAMPA DON'T REALIZE
02:23:33 JUST HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE THE WATER SOURCE THAT WE
02:23:36 HAVE, AND MANY AREAS AROUND THE STATE WITH WATER
02:23:38 EVERYWHERE BUT NOTHING TO DRINK, HAVE TO PURCHASE WATER,
02:23:43 HAVE TO BRING IT OUT OF THE GROUND.
02:23:45 TAMPA IS VERY, VERY LUCKY.
02:23:47 AND I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS OF TAMPA REALIZE JUST HOW
02:23:49 LUCKY WE ARE.
02:23:50 MS. BRENNAN, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
02:23:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
02:23:55 MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
02:23:57 >>BILL CARLSON: QUICKLY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
02:24:00 THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR BRINGING THEM ONBOARD.
02:24:03 I KNOW HDR VERY WELL.
02:24:05 THEY ARE COMMUNICATION OUTREACH, PUBLIC OUTREACH DIVISION
02:24:10 IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY ASSOCIATION I AM GLAD
02:24:12 THAT YOU GOT A TEAM LIKE THIS ONBOARD TO DO THIS.
02:24:17 THE KEY THING IN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH IS TO MAKE SURE WE
02:24:19 GET ENOUGH IN THE BUDGET TO BE THOROUGH ABOUT THIS, TO
02:24:22 REALLY REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC, AND NUMBER TWO, THAT WE
02:24:25 GET THE MESSAGES RIGHT.
02:24:26 A MONTH OR SO AGO, THE WATER DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATION PUT
02:24:31 OUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT IT OUT,
02:24:34 BUT WHEN I TALKED TO MS. DUNCAN AND MR. WEBER, THEY WENT
02:24:40 BACK AND CORRECTED IT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT
02:24:42 LEADING IN THE CONVERSATION, AND SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT
02:24:46 HOW -- WE NEED A NEW SOURCE OF WATER, AND HOW WE HAVE THE
02:24:52 SORT OF PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT
02:24:54 THE MESSAGING THAT GOES IN.
02:24:56 SO I AM GLAD WE ARE DOING THIS AND I HOPE WE WILL DO A
02:24:59 VERY THOROUGH JOB AND PLEASE MAKE SURE WE HAVE NEUTRAL
02:25:02 MESSAGING SO WE GET IT ACCURATELY TO THE PUBLIC AND
02:25:06 EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE OPTIONS.
02:25:07 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.
02:25:10 WE TOOK YOUR ADVICE ABOUT SOLUTION NEUTRAL APPROACH VERY
02:25:13 SERIOUSLY.
02:25:14 WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HDR ABOUT KEEPING THAT IN THE
02:25:18 FOREFRONT, AND NOT GETTING TAKE TIED TO ONE PARTICULAR
02:25:24 APPROACH AHEAD OF TIME, BEFORE ITS TIME.
02:25:27 SO WE WILL BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT GOING FORWARD.
02:25:30 AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THIS AS
02:25:33 NEUTRALLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
02:25:35 OF COURSE, WE HAVE CERTAIN FACTS THAT LEAD US A CERTAIN
02:25:38 WAY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.
02:25:41 I AM PROBABLY JUMPING AHEAD OF BRAD, BUT WE ARE GOING TO
02:25:45 MENTION THAT ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO
02:25:49 APPROVE THE FUNDING TO CONTINUE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WE ARE
02:25:52 GOING TO WORK TO INCLUDE AN EBO FORM AS WELL, TO HAVE THE
02:25:58 TIME TO MAKE THAT WORK THE THIRD TIME AROUND BUT WE KNEW
02:26:02 WE WOULD HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES GOING FORWARD.
02:26:04 SO THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE PART OF OUR APPROACH HERE ON
02:26:06 OUT, AND ADD THAT TEAM AS WELL TO OUR GROUP FOR PUBLIC
02:26:10 ENGAGEMENT.
02:26:11 THANK YOU, BRAD.
02:26:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHENEVER YOU READING MY MIND, MS.
02:26:16 DUNCAN?
02:26:19 >> SHE JUST SAVED ME FROM MY PART ON THIS.
02:26:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ADOPT KNOW WHAT
02:26:24 THEY DON'T KNOW, AND IT HAS TO BE REAL SIMPLE AND
02:26:28 SIMPLIFIED TO UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE, OR AS MR. CITRO
02:26:35 SAID.
02:26:37 SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THE MESSAGING AND
02:26:40 MAKE SURE IN THOSE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE I
02:26:43 KNOW SURVEYS, A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T DO SURVEYS IN
02:26:46 THOSE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES SO THEY DON'T KNOW TO
02:26:49 KNOW.
02:26:49 SO IF YOU ARE GOING OUT THERE, SOME OF THAT PUBLIC
02:26:52 ENGAGEMENT.
02:26:53 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S A GREAT IDEA YOU HAVE COME UP WITH
02:26:57 TO DO THAT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT WERE THE
02:27:00 NUMBERS OF YOUR SURVEY AS YOU LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT
02:27:03 DISTRICTS AND THOSE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, WHAT WERE
02:27:06 SOME OF THE NUMBERS.
02:27:07 I WON'T ASK TODAY BUT I AM SURE WHEN WE COME BACK YOU
02:27:10 SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING ONCE YOU GET ONBOARD.
02:27:15 ALL RIGHT?
02:27:15 THANK YOU.
02:27:15 >>BRAD BAIRD: I WOULD ADD ONE LAST THING TO WHAT JEAN
02:27:20 SAID.
02:27:21 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, WE WILL BE COMING
02:27:24 BACK TO CITY COUNCIL THIS SUMMER TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC
02:27:28 ENGAGEMENT.
02:27:30 AND AS A FUNDING REQUEST.
02:27:35 WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NWRI INDEPENDENT
02:27:39 ADVISORY PANEL UPDATE FROM WHAT WE PROVIDED ON MAY
02:27:44 27th WORKSHOP.
02:27:49 WE HAVE HOPEFULLY, VIRTUALLY, WE HAVE KEVIN HARDY IS THE
02:27:53 SCOFFED OF NWRI, AND THEN WE HAVE DR. GLEN DAIGGER WITH
02:27:59 THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN WHO CHAIRED THE INDEPENDENT
02:28:02 EXPERT ADVISORY PANEL.
02:28:05 SO HOPEFULLY -- ARE THEY ON THE SCREEN?
02:28:10 THERE THEY ARE.
02:28:12 WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KEVIN.
02:28:14 >> THANK YOU, BRAD.
02:28:18 GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
02:28:20 ONCE AGAIN I AM KEVIN HARDY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
02:28:22 NATIONAL WATER RESEARCH INSTITUTE, AND EVERYBODY WILL
02:28:25 REFER TO US AS NBRI.
02:28:28 AS YOU KNOW WE WERE ENGAGED BY THE CITY TO FACILITATE AND
02:28:31 ADMINISTRATOR AN INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL COMPRISED OF
02:28:34 LEADING WALLET REUSE EXPERTS FROM AROUND THE UNITED
02:28:36 STATES TO REVIEW THE WORK, ANALYTICAL WORK COMPARED TO
02:28:41 DATE IN SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA PURE PROJECT.
02:28:44 I THINK AS I TOLD YOU LAST TIME WHEN WE SPOKE, IT EXISTS
02:28:47 TO CREATE NEW SOURCES OF HEALTHY WATER AND WE WORKED WITH
02:28:52 COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD FOR OVER THREE DECADES DOING
02:28:54 JUST THAT.
02:28:55 SO ON BEHALF OF CHAIRMAN DAIGGER, WHO YOU WILL HEAR FROM
02:28:59 IN A MOMENT, AND THE INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL,
02:29:03 INCLUDING MACK SIMCIK, MIKE WEHNER, JOAN ROSE, AND
02:29:06 FLORIDIANS WENDY GRAHAM AND SAM UPCHURCH, I WOULD LIKE TO
02:29:11 COMMEND MR. BAIRD, MS. MCLEAN, MR. WEBER AND MS. PARK,
02:29:15 AND THEIR RESPECTIVE TEAMS FOR MAKING THE COMMITMENT TO
02:29:17 SUBJECT A SLICE OF THEIR LIFE'S WORK TO REVIEW BY A GROUP
02:29:22 OF INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.
02:29:25 THIS COMMITMENT SPEAKS VALUES TO THEIR MOTIVATIONS AND
02:29:28 THEIR PERSONAL PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINE.
02:29:31 THE PANEL REVIEWED TREMENDOUS VALUE OF HIGHLY TECHNICAL
02:29:35 DATA PREPARED BY THE TAMPA TEAM, AND THE TAMPA TEAM HAS
02:29:38 WORKED INTENTIONALLY TO MAINTAIN A MENU OF ALTERNATIVE
02:29:41 WATER SUPPLY ASSESSMENT FOR THIS COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION
02:29:46 AT THIS CRITICAL REGIONAL PLANNING PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.
02:29:58 THAT REPORT WAS A PRODUCT OF A MEETING ON MAY 13th.
02:30:01 THE AGENDA FOR THAT MEETING, WE HEARD OVER 3 HOURS OF
02:30:05 PRESENTATIONS THAT DAY, AND WHEN THE PRESENTATIONS
02:30:08 CONCLUDED, WE WORKED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR IN A PRIVATE
02:30:11 WORKING SESSION THAT SAME DAY.
02:30:18 WE WORKED BY E-MAIL AND TRANSMITTED THE DRAFT REPORT ON
02:30:21 JUNE 15th.
02:30:22 I WANT TO LET STAKEHOLDERS AND STAFF AND COUNCIL KNOW
02:30:25 THAT IN ADDITION TO THE DRAFT REPORT THAT'S BEFORE YOU,
02:30:28 WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON A COMPLETE RESPONSE THE COMMITTEE
02:30:32 STAKEHOLDER QUESTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED AND THAT WILL
02:30:34 BE PART OF THE FINAL REPORT.
02:30:37 WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS WORK AND SUPPORTING
02:30:40 AN EVEN MORE SECURE WATER FUTURE TO THE TAMPA BAY REGION.
02:30:44 MOVE FORWARD.
02:30:45 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
02:30:56 THE SIX CORE COMPONENTS IN FRONT OF YOU, ENHANCED
02:31:01 MONITORING FOR CONTAMINANT, THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT, 60
02:31:07 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WITHDRAWING THAT PRODUCT WATER
02:31:13 FROM THE RECOVERY WELLS, AND MEETING THE MINIMUM FLOW
02:31:15 REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, CAN FORM
02:31:22 THE BASIS FOR AN OVERALL SYSTEM THAT MEETS THE OBJECTIVES
02:31:25 STATED BY THE CITY.
02:31:27 TAMPA'S ENGINEERED WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND NATURAL WATER
02:31:30 ENVIRONMENTS ARE INEXTRICABLY INTERTWINED.
02:31:33 THIS FACT CREATES A PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING DECISION AND
02:31:37 INVESTMENT MATRIX.
02:31:39 RECOGNIZING THIS, THE PANEL IDENTIFIED FOUR AREAS OF
02:31:43 DEVELOPMENT AND YOU SEE THOSE HERE BEFORE YOU.
02:31:45 WHAT THEY INDICATE IS THAT MODIFICATIONS TO INDIVIDUAL
02:31:49 CORE COMPONENTS ARE A NEEDED, AND THIS IS THE POSITION
02:31:53 THAT MOST OF OUR CLIENTS FIND THEMSELVES IN AT THIS LEVEL
02:31:57 OF DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR PROJECT.
02:31:59 SO NUMBER ONE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A VALID SCIENTIFIC
02:32:03 TECHNICAL POLICY APPROACH OF A PROJECT.
02:32:06 WE WILL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT BUT WHAT I WILL
02:32:09 TELL YOU IS THAT STARTS WITH A SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION OF
02:32:12 THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OUTREACH PROGRAM AS WAS
02:32:14 RECOMMENDED EARLIER.
02:32:16 THE PANEL ALSO RECOMMENDED ADDITIONAL CONCEPTUALIZATIONS,
02:32:20 PARAMETERIZATION, CALIBRATION OF THE GROUNDWATER MODEL,
02:32:25 ASSESSING THE PROJECT QUALITY AND QUALITY IMPACTS FOR THE
02:32:30 HYDROLOGIC SYSTEM FROM THE UPPER FLORIDAN AQUIFER THROUGH
02:32:34 THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
02:32:36 AND ADDITIONAL TREATMENT BARRIERS TO WATER REPROCESS AND
02:32:41 PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH.
02:32:42 WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO INTRODUCE
02:32:45 DR. GLEN DAIGGER, AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, HE
02:32:50 PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF TECHNOLOGY
02:32:52 OFFICER OF CH HILL.
02:32:56 HE'S CO-AUTHORED MORE THAN 125 PAPERS, HE'S THE CHAIR OF
02:33:03 THE TAMPA INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL.
02:33:07 GLEN, TAKE IT AWAY.
02:33:08 >> THANK YOU KEVIN.
02:33:09 IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
02:33:16 YOU CAUGHT US IN THE MID OF OUR WORK, AND NOW AT THIS
02:33:21 MILESTONE IN TERMS OF OUR WORK, AND HAPPY TO SHARE WITH
02:33:25 YOU OUR OVERALL CONCLUSIONS HERE.
02:33:28 SO IF I CAN HAVE THE SLIDES UP.
02:33:30 I DON'T SEE THE SLIDES UP.
02:33:37 THAT WOULD HELP ME LEAD THROUGH WITH THIS.
02:33:46 WHILE THAT'S HAPPENING, WHILE THE SLIDES ARE COMING UP, I
02:33:49 THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE FOLLOWING ON
02:33:54 FROM THE EARLIER PRESENTATION, IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE,
02:34:05 THE BUDGET STRENGTHS, THESE ARE SIX CORE COMPONENTS OF
02:34:10 THE OVERALL PURE PROJECT.
02:34:11 SO WATER REUSE IS ONE OF THE INTENDED OUTCOMES.
02:34:17 IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WATER IS TO BE NOT
02:34:23 ONLY SUPPLEMENT THE WATER SUPPLY BUT ALSO YOU SEE THIS IN
02:34:27 THE LAST BULLET THERE, TO SUPPLEMENT THE HILLSBOROUGH
02:34:31 RIVER.
02:34:33 SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LOCATIONS THAT IMPACTED, CERTAINLY
02:34:42 THE WATER SUPPLY AND WATER REUSE IS A COMPONENT OF IT,
02:34:46 BUT THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS WATER IS GOING TO AFFECT A
02:34:51 NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTS INCLUDING THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
02:34:54 ITSELF, THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR, AND THE
02:35:01 SPRINGS, AND IN THAT AREA.
02:35:05 SO IN PARTICULAR, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE ARE VERY MUCH IN
02:35:08 SUPPORT OF THE OUTREACH WHICH IS GOING ON AND THE NEED
02:35:15 FOR THAT.
02:35:15 I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INHERENT IN WHAT WE ARE
02:35:20 SEEING THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN OUTREACH TO LOOK NOT
02:35:25 JUST AT THE REUSE PORTION OF THIS BUT LOOK AT THE WHOLE
02:35:29 PROJECT AS IT GOES FORWARD.
02:35:32 A NUMBER OF IMPACTS IN ADDITION TO REUSE.
02:35:38 BUT IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, HERE WE GET INTO THE
02:35:45 FIRST COUPLE OF AREAS.
02:35:47 THE FIRST IS TO ESTABLISH A VALID SCIENTIFIC TECHNICAL
02:35:50 POLICY APPROACH FOR THE PROJECT.
02:35:55 AND YOU SEE OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION THERE, PROCEED
02:35:59 ASSERTIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAM BASED ON
02:36:03 WELL-ESTABLISHED BEST PRACTICE PRINCIPLES AND APPROACHES.
02:36:06 AND THE APPROACHES ARE WELL HONED IN TERMS OF HOW TO --
02:36:14 YOU ARE OFF TO A GOOD START, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
02:36:18 ARE REALLY ENVISIONING THIS AS A PUBLIC OUTREACH LOOKING
02:36:21 AT THE FULL PROJECT.
02:36:26 REUSE IS A COMPONENT OF THAT, BUT CERTAINLY THE PARTIES
02:36:30 HAVE INTEREST IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE
02:36:33 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE SPRINGS,
02:36:36 WHAT THE EFFECT ON OUR TAMPA BAY IS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS
02:36:40 NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND VOICES THAT HAVE INTEREST IN
02:36:44 THAT.
02:36:47 SECOND SOME TO CLEAR DEFINE THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF
02:36:51 THE PURE PROJECT.
02:36:52 AND THERE WILL BE SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS LATER, BUT THE
02:36:58 SCIENTIFIC TECHNICAL POLICY BASED PERFORMANCE METRICS,
02:37:03 THAT WAS TO EACH ENVIRONMENT.
02:37:04 THIS AGAIN IS THE IMPACT ON WATER SUPPLY AND DRINKING
02:37:08 WATER, BUT ALSO ESTABLISHING CLEAR PERFORMANCE METRICS IN
02:37:14 TERMS OF THE IMPACT ON THESE OTHER ENVIRONMENTS, THE
02:37:18 RIVER AND SO FORTH.
02:37:19 EVALUATE THE POTABLE REUSE COMPONENT OF THE PURE PROGRAM
02:37:23 BASED ON THE ONGOING RESULTS OF THE OUTREACH PROGRAM AND
02:37:28 INCORPORATING BOTH CURRENT AND EVOLVING BEST PRACTICES
02:37:31 FOR POTABLE REUSE.
02:37:35 WE SAW FROM MICHELLE'S PRESENTATION THAT THERE ARE A
02:37:41 SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REUSE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PLACE
02:37:45 AND GO FORWARD AND SO FORTH, AND OVER THE LAST PROBABLY
02:37:48 THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN PARTICULAR, BEST PRACTICES REALLY
02:37:54 EVOLVE IN THE REUSE AREA, MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
02:37:59 IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO EMBRACE ON THAT AS WELL.
02:38:03 THAT'S THE FIRST AREA.
02:38:05 THE SECOND THEN STARTS TO LOOK AT THE GROUNDWATER IMPACTS
02:38:10 FROM THE RECHARGE AND RECOVERY, AND IN PARTICULAR THE
02:38:18 SEAWAT MODEL WHICH IS USED TO ASSESS THE IMPACTS.
02:38:23 SO CONCEPTUALIZATION, CALIBRATION, VALIDATION, OF THE
02:38:28 MODEL, SPECIFIC COMMENTS.
02:38:33 SO MEETING A NUMBER OF TECHNICAL PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY
02:38:37 WATER QUALITY DATA, IN ADDITION TO THE TEAM HAS BEEN
02:38:43 MODELING SCENARIOS, AND THERE WILL BE OTHER AND LIKELY
02:38:49 SIGNIFICANT WATER QUALITY TRANSFORMATIONS THROUGH THE
02:38:58 AQUIFER THERE, AND TO FULLY CHARACTERIZE THAT, THAT CAN
02:39:04 BE USED THEN TO CALIBRATE THE MODEL FOR THE ANALYSIS THAT
02:39:10 YOU NEED TO DO.
02:39:12 MODEL SCENARIOS CAN INCLUDE WET YEARS, DROUGHT YEARS,
02:39:18 ALTERNATIVE PUMPING, RECOVERY RATES, ESTIMATION OF THE
02:39:21 RATES OF ACCUMULATION OF HIGHER WATER QUALITY IN THE
02:39:25 AQUIFER, AND POTENTIAL LOSS OF GROUNDWATER.
02:39:32 SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE PARTICULARLY ASKED TO
02:39:35 LOOK AT IS SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT
02:39:38 OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE SPRINGS AND SO
02:39:42 FORTH, BUT PUT THAT AS A COMPLETE SYSTEM THERE.
02:39:47 SO WHILE SITE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THE PURE
02:39:50 PROJECT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
02:39:53 AND SOME EXAMPLES ARE, ONE OF THE AREAS OF CAUTION, WHICH
02:40:04 THE CITY IS WELL AWARE OF, IS SEAWAT CANNOT DEAL WITH THE
02:40:11 KARST AND FRACTURE CONDUITS THAT ARE INHERENT IN THE
02:40:15 FLORIDAN AQUIFER, AND THAT'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS
02:40:20 TO BE ADDRESSED HERE, AND IN SOME RECENT CONVERSATIONS,
02:40:25 THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY ASKED THE PANEL FOR SOME FURTHER
02:40:28 ADVICE HERE WHICH WE WILL PROVIDE.
02:40:34 NEXT SLIDE.
02:40:35 THE THIRD AREA, PROTECT WATER QUALITY AND QUALITY AND
02:40:39 QUANTITY IMPACTS, THE ENTIRE ECHO LOGIC SYSTEM OF THE
02:40:45 UPPER FLORIDAN AQUIFER THROUGH THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH
02:40:48 RIVER.
02:40:48 THE LAST ONE, LAST ITEM LOOKED AT THE MODEL, WHICH HELPS
02:40:55 WITH HYDROLOGY, BUT THE NEED HERE THAT VERSUS EXPRESS
02:41:02 STEADY NEED TO NOT ONLY COLLECT MORE DATA FOR THIS LARGER
02:41:05 HYDROLOGIC SYSTEM, BUT THEN BASED ON THAT, THIS IS PART
02:41:10 OF THE SCIENTIFIC BASIS, TO ESTABLISH SPECIFIC QUALITY
02:41:17 OBJECTIVES FOR THESE ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE NOT ONLY MEET
02:41:21 REGULATIONS BUT RESPONSIVE TO THE DESIRES EXPRESSED AND
02:41:27 THE DECISIONS YOU WILL MAKE CERTAINLY AS BORNE BY THE
02:41:31 OUTREACH PROGRAM WHICH IS GOING FORWARD.
02:41:34 OUTREACH IS VERY IMPORTANT IN CONNECTION TO ESTABLISHING
02:41:39 THESE QUALITY OBJECTIVES.
02:41:44 THE INDUSTRY THAT WILL GIVE SPECIFIC WATER QUALITY
02:41:48 CHARACTERISTICS ENABLES ANALYSIS AND COMPARISON.
02:41:52 WE SEE A WHOLE LIST OF ACRONYMS AND SO FORTH.
02:41:58 HAPPY TO DISCUSS THESE IF YOU WOULD LIKE BUT IT'S REALLY
02:42:00 TO INDICATE THE RANGE OF RELEVANT CONSIDERATIONS HERE
02:42:10 NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
02:42:12 AND CONDUCT IN SITU NATURAL GRADIENT AND
02:42:18 INJECTION/EXTRACTION TRACER TESTS TO AMORTIZE A TRANSIENT
02:42:26 CONTAMINANT SPACE AND TRANSPORT COMPONENT TO ADD TO THE
02:42:32 SEAWAT MODEL, NOT ONLY WATER FLOW BUT THE QUALITY
02:42:36 TRANSFORMATIONS WHICH WILL OCCUR AS THE WATER IS
02:42:41 RECHARGED AND RECOVERED.
02:42:44 IT'S OBVIOUS THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE AQUIFER, AND IT
02:42:48 CAN CONTRIBUTE IMPORTANTLY TO THE CONTROL OF
02:42:53 CONSTITUENTS, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE CHARACTERIZED AND CAN
02:42:56 BE THEN BUILT INTO THE MODEL AS A TOOL, BOTH FOR
02:43:00 CONTINUED DESIGN, BUT ALSO LONG-TERM OPERATION OF THE
02:43:05 SYSTEM.
02:43:08 QUANTIFIED THE EXPECTED FLEXES OF WATER NUTRIENTS,
02:43:12 PATHOGENS AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS.
02:43:15 SO SPECIFIC STEPS OF TAKING THAT INFORMATION INTO USABLE
02:43:18 FORM, AND DEVELOP AND IMPROVE CIRCULATION MODELS FOR THE
02:43:22 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR.
02:43:24 IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION, BEST TO TAKE THE RECOVERED WATER,
02:43:33 AND HOW TO INTRODUCE IT INTO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND
02:43:37 IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT TIMES WHEN IT'S INTRODUCED IN
02:43:41 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND SO FORTH.
02:43:44 SO THE TOOL TO EVALUATE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED, AND
02:43:48 DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE PROACTIVE MONITORING SYSTEM, THE
02:43:54 INTEGRATED AQUIFER, SPRING, RIVER, RESERVOIR SYSTEM,
02:43:57 EVALUATE WHETHER THE PURE PROJECT IS OPERATING AS
02:44:00 EXPECTED, AND PROVIDE EARLY WARNING OF SYSTEM FAILURES
02:44:10 AND ALLOW FOR ACTIVE MANAGEMENT OF THE SYSTEM.
02:44:12 SO THE DATA COLLECTION ANALYSIS DOESN'T STOP WITH THIS
02:44:14 STAGE, IT DOESN'T STOP AT THE TIME IT BECOMES AN INTEGRAL
02:44:20 AND ONGOING ACTIVITY FOR THE CITY, BUT TO CONTINUE TO
02:44:24 MONITOR THE SYSTEM AND USE THAT TO FURTHER OPTIMIZE THE
02:44:29 SYSTEM, BOTH IT'S OPERATION, COST --
02:44:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXCUSE ME.
02:44:38 FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, HOW MUCH MORE ON YOUR PRESENTATION?
02:44:43 >> JUST ONE MORE SLIDE HERE.
02:44:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
02:44:46 >> THE LAST ONE DEALS WITH THE WATER REUSE ITSELF.
02:44:56 I CAN REALLY CONSOLIDATE THIS INTO SAYING CONTINUE, BUT
02:45:01 MAKE SURE TO INCORPORATE THE HE INVOLVED WATER REUSE BEST
02:45:08 PRACTICES IN TERMS OF DESIGNING AND IMPLEMENTING THE
02:45:14 WATER REUSE COMPONENT OF THIS OVERALL PROJECT.
02:45:18 AND WHAT'S LISTED HERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC ELEMENTS
02:45:23 THAT ADDRESS THAT.
02:45:27 I THINK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
02:45:31 THAT WATER REUSE PRACTICE IS NOW FEASIBLY WELL-DEVELOPED,
02:45:36 AS GOOD CONSENSUS IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICE.
02:45:39 THE CITY IS OFF TO A GOOD START.
02:45:42 IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THAT, GOING
02:45:46 FROM PUBLIC OUTREACH TO DESIGN TO IMPLEMENTATION, AND
02:45:51 THAT THE LONG-TERM OPERATION AND MANAGEMENT OF THE REUSE
02:45:58 SYSTEM, IN THIS OVERALL SYSTEM, AS YOU GO FORWARD.
02:46:04 AS A MATTER OF THE RIGHT THING AND ALSO RESOURCING THIS
02:46:08 PROPERLY FROM BEGINNING TO END.
02:46:13 SO THAT'S BASICALLY OUR REPORT.
02:46:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
02:46:19 GENTLEMEN, ANY QUESTIONS?
02:46:21 MR. DINGFELDER.
02:46:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, DOCTOR, FOR THAT
02:46:29 PRESENTATION, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THANKS TO YOU AND
02:46:31 YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE DETAILED ANALYSIS AND WORK THAT YOU
02:46:36 HAVE DONE ON THAT.
02:46:37 I LIKE THE TERM RECALCITRANT ORGANICS, ONE I HAVE NEVER
02:46:44 HEARD BEFORE.
02:46:46 BUT I ENJOY THAT TERM.
02:46:50 SO MY QUESTION, BRAD, TO YOU OR TEAM, CHECK, WHOEVER
02:46:55 WANTS TO ANSWER THIS, A LOT OF INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS
02:47:02 AND QUESTIONS THAT THE PANEL PUSHED FORWARD.
02:47:04 I'M SURE THERE ARE SOMEBODY THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY WERE
02:47:07 PLANNING ON.
02:47:08 I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
02:47:09 AND MAYBE THERE'S A FEW IN THERE THAT ARE NEW, AND THAT'S
02:47:13 GOOD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHY THE PROCESS IS GOOD.
02:47:18 YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DECISION, NOT
02:47:20 ONLY TO COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
02:47:23 AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS INDEPENDENT
02:47:26 BODY OF EXPERTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY LOOKING AT IT
02:47:30 OBJECTIVELY.
02:47:31 AND I THINK THAT'S THE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT WE
02:47:36 JUST SAW.
02:47:39 SO MY QUESTION, BRAD, IS WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE IN
02:47:44 TERMS OF THE NWRI?
02:47:47 I'M SO IMPRESSED SO FAR WITH THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE
02:47:53 THAT I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US
02:47:58 CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THEM IN THIS SAME CAPACITY, BECAUSE
02:48:03 AT EVERY PHASE, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DECISIONS,
02:48:06 THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DATA, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE
02:48:09 ANALYSIS, AND I THINK CONTINUING THAT INDEPENDENT BODY
02:48:13 WORKED, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THERE IS COST INVOLVED,
02:48:16 BUT COMPARED TO THE TOTAL COST, I THINK IT'S LEGIBLE
02:48:20 COMPARED TO THE TOTAL PROJECT AND THE RISKS, I THINK IT'S
02:48:25 CRITICAL.
02:48:27 THERE YOU GO.
02:48:27 >>BRAD BAIRD: COUNCILMAN, WE AGREE WITH THAT.
02:48:31 FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE BASTIONS OF LEARNING,
02:48:38 THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DID ANTICIPATE.
02:48:41 THERE WERE A FEW MAYBE WE HADN'T ANTICIPATED TO THE
02:48:45 EXTENT THE PANEL COVERED AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.
02:48:47 WE, STAFF, IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE DRAFT
02:48:51 REPORT.
02:48:53 WE WILL HAVE THOSE COMMENTS BACK TO NWRI NEXT WEEK.
02:48:58 WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE FINAL REPORT.
02:49:02 WE ARE SHOOTING FOR THE END OF JULY FROM NWRI AND THE
02:49:07 PANEL.
02:49:07 AND AS FAR AS USING THE NWRI INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL
02:49:14 IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO
02:49:17 THAT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE DECISIONS TO
02:49:22 MAKE WITH REGARD TO THE TREATMENT PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW,
02:49:27 30% DESIGNED, ON AND ON.
02:49:30 WE HAVE A LOT OF MILESTONES OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS
02:49:35 MOVING FORWARD.
02:49:36 SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PLAN TO MAINTAIN ENGAGEMENT AND
02:49:43 CONTINUE MOVING IN THAT MANNER.
02:49:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IF THAT
02:49:50 REGARD IS THAT EVERY TIME THAT YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL
02:49:56 WITH A REQUEST, MONETARY, CONTRACTUAL OR OTHERWISE,
02:50:02 REMIND ME HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING NWRI, AND/OR
02:50:07 AN EQUIVALENT INDEPENDENT.
02:50:10 >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, SIR.
02:50:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
02:50:15 >>BILL CARLSON: AS I UNDERSTAND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT
02:50:18 BEFORE, THEY WERE PRESENTED WITH A PROJECT, SOME OF THEM
02:50:25 DEALING WITH TAP DATA AND THEY EXPLAINED.
02:50:30 BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HELP US LOOK AT THE
02:50:34 ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS, WHICH SHOULD INCLUDE, ONE OF THE
02:50:39 OPTIONS IS IF WE CAN GET RID OF THIS STATE LEGISLATION,
02:50:43 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THIS,.
02:50:47 DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO DOUBLE OR WHATEVER THE RATE PAYERS'
02:50:51 COSTS.
02:50:52 I THINK AS MR. MIRANDA SAID EARLIER, CITIES ALL OVER THE
02:50:55 WORLD DRINK POTTY -- PURIFIED POTTY WATER.
02:50:59 NEW ORLEANS IS THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY GIVES AS AN EXAMPLE
02:51:01 BECAUSE THEY DRINK INDUSTRIAL WASTE AND HUMAN WASTE.
02:51:05 IT'S NOT THAT THE SCIENCE DOESN'T EXIST.
02:51:06 THE QUESTION IS THE TIMING OF WHEN SHOULD WE DO IT?
02:51:10 AT SOME POINT IN FOOT WE WILL DO IT BUT AS WE SHOWED A
02:51:13 COUPLE YEARS AGO WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS FOR AT LEAST
02:51:17 20 YEARS SO IF WE ARE DOING IT ONLY BECAUSE THE
02:51:19 LEGISLATURE MANDATES IT, THEN ONE OPTION SHOULD BE WHAT
02:51:23 IF THE LEGISLATION WENT AWAY, WAS MODIFIED, AS LEAST WE
02:51:26 COULD DELAY THE IMPACT ON RATE PAYERS, AND THEN THERE ARE
02:51:30 OTHER OPTIONS WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER IN TERMS OF THE
02:51:33 ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
02:51:35 >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, FOR THAT.
02:51:37 EVEN IF THE LEGISLATION GOES AWAY, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE
02:51:41 ARE TRYING TO SOLVE, OF COURSE, IS A SUSTAINABLE
02:51:47 LONG-TERM SOURCE FOR MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE LOWER
02:51:49 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO
02:51:55 RESOLVE IN SHORT ORDER.
02:51:56 >>BILL CARLSON: WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND, BUT I
02:52:01 THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DESIGNING FOR IS THE
02:52:06 WORST DROUGHT FLOW SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST IN
02:52:10 THE LAST TEN YEARS, MAYBE THE LAST 100 YEARS.
02:52:13 WHAT IS IT, 40 NGB AND THEN TAMPA BAY -- SUPPLIED IT FOR
02:52:20 US SO THEY SHOW THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PROVIDE
02:52:23 THAT.
02:52:23 SO IF WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE
02:52:31 THIS INDEPENDENT GROUP SHOULD LOOK AT.
02:52:33 IS IT WORTH THE COST FOR ONCE A 100 YEAR EVENT FOR OUR
02:52:37 RATE PAYERS TO PAY 2 BILLION OR 6 BILLION DOLLARS,
02:52:42 WHATEVER IT IS, AND INCREASE THE RATES, PLUS DRINK POTTY
02:52:45 WATER WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO IN 20 YEARS, BUT WE SHOWED WE
02:52:49 NEED 7 NGB IN 20 YEARS, AND WE JUST PUSH CONSERVATION,
02:52:55 AND IF WE FIX THE PAPERS WHICH WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR,
02:52:57 WE CAN PROBABLY SAVE 10 NGB.
02:53:00 SO REALLY WHAT WE ARE SOLVING FOR IS ONCE A TEN YEAR,
02:53:06 ONCE A 100 YEAR EVENT, OR THE LEGISLATURE IS FORCING US
02:53:09 TO DO THIS AND EITHER ONE OF THEM CAN BE SUPPLIED BY THE
02:53:11 ALTERNATIVE SOURCE.
02:53:13 SO IF THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENT ISSUE, A HEALTH ISSUE, BUT
02:53:16 THERE'S ALSO THE RATE PAYER ISSUE, THE FISCAL ISSUE, IT
02:53:23 SEEMS FOOLISH TO PUSH US INTO SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY
02:53:27 ESPECIALLY SO WE CAN LOBBY AND GET THIS BILL UNDONE SO WE
02:53:31 DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
02:53:32 THANK YOU.
02:53:32 >>BRAD BAIRD: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
02:53:38 DR. DAIGGER?
02:53:40 WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER.
02:53:42 AND IT IS ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
02:53:46 AND IT'S MARK HAMMOND WITH APPLIED SCIENCES.
02:53:49 AND WE ONLY HAVE, I THINK, TWO OR THREE SLIDES ASSOCIATED
02:53:53 WITH THAT.
02:53:53 SO WE ARE NEARING THE END.
02:53:55 SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MARK.
02:54:00 >> THANK YOU, BRAD.
02:54:02 GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
02:54:05 MY NAME IS MARK HAMMOND, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, APPLIED
02:54:10 SCIENCES.
02:54:11 CAN YOU SEE THE SLIDES?
02:54:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
02:54:13 >> AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
02:54:19 WE JUST GOT TWO SLIDES TO SUMMARIZE THE PRESENTATION THAT
02:54:21 WE DID FOR YOU LAST MONTH.
02:54:25 IF YOU RECALL, IN OUR PRESENTATION LAST MONTH, WE LOOKED
02:54:28 AT OUR ANALYSIS, 11 PRIMARY ALTERNATIVES, AND FIVE OF
02:54:33 THOSE ALTERNATIVES HAD A SUBALTERNATIVE.
02:54:36 SO WE HAD A TOTAL OF 16 ALTERNATIVES THAT WE FIRST
02:54:40 EVALUATED.
02:54:40 THEN WE TOOK THOSE ALTERNATIVES AND WE COMBINED THEM INTO
02:54:44 FOUR COMBINATIONS THAT YOU SEE LISTED HERE.
02:54:47 THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET REDUCTION OF DISCHARGE, AND
02:54:52 ALSO DROUGHT MANAGEMENT OF THE RESERVOIR LEVELS.
02:54:55 THE FIRST COMBINATION, COMBINATION 1 INVOLVED EXPANDING
02:55:00 YOUR RECLAIMED WATER DISTRIBUTION TO RESIDENTIAL,
02:55:02 COMMERCIAL AND ALSO LARGE USERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND
02:55:05 ALSO INVOLVES THE DEEP WELL INJECTION OR ANY REMAINING
02:55:10 PART OF THE RECLAIM THAT'S NOT USED AND PURCHASING WATER
02:55:14 FROM TAMPA BAY WATER TO HELP MEET THE MFLs.
02:55:18 COMBINATION 2 INVOLVES TREATING THE WATER FROM HOWARD F.
02:55:22 CURREN TO REDUCE KNOT RENTS AND TO MEET THE STANDARD IN
02:55:25 THE RIVER, DISCHARGE THAT WATER TO THE BASE OF THE DAM TO
02:55:30 MEET THE MINIMUM FLOWS, SELLING A PORTION OF THE
02:55:35 RECLAIMED WATER TO ANOTHER ENTITY AND THEN IF YOU DID USE
02:55:39 MFLs OR WERE ABLE TO SELL THEN DEEP WELL INJECTION FOR
02:55:44 DISPOSAL OF THAT COMBINATION.
02:55:46 COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE AND RECOVERY INVOLVED
02:55:51 TREATING THE HOWARD F. CURREN TO TREAT PRIMARY DRINKING
02:55:56 WATER STANDARD, RECHARGE THE AQUIFER IN THE VICINITY OF
02:55:59 THE RESERVOIR, RECOVERING A PORTION OF THAT WATER, AND
02:56:02 PUTTING THAT INTO THE RESERVOIR WOULD DO TWO THINGS, ONE,
02:56:07 RELEASE TO MEET THE MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE LOWER
02:56:10 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER ARRIVE BUT FOR DROUGHT MANAGEMENT, TO
02:56:13 HELP IMPROVE THE WATER SUPPLY RELIABILITY FOR THE
02:56:15 RESERVOIR.
02:56:17 COMBINATION 4 WAS A DIRECT POTABLE REUSE OPTION.
02:56:20 THIS WOULD BE TO TREAT THE WATER FROM HOWARD F.CURREN TO
02:56:25 DRINKING WATER STANDARD AND PUT IT DIRECTLY INTO YOUR
02:56:28 DRINKING WATER PIPELINE, A SYSTEM OUT THERE FOR DRINKING
02:56:31 WATER PURPOSES.
02:56:33 WE EVALUATED THESE FOUR COMBINATIONS BASED ON COST.
02:56:37 AS YOU CAN SEE, IN THAT COLUMN.
02:56:40 AND THEN WE RANKED THEM.
02:56:42 SO IF YOU LOOK AT COMBINATION 2, THAT'S GOT A RANK OF 1.
02:56:46 COMBINATION 2 IS THE LOWEST COST OPTION OR THE LOWEST
02:56:50 COMBINATION OF THAT.
02:56:51 SO THAT WAS THE TOP RANKED IN TERMS OF COST.
02:56:55 COMBINATION -- IT WAS FOLLOWED CLOSELY, THE SECOND LOWEST
02:56:59 COST COMBINATION WAS COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE
02:57:04 AND DISCOVERY.
02:57:04 AND THEN COMBINATION 4 AND COMBINATION 17 WERE THE MORE
02:57:08 COSTLY OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS.
02:57:13 AGAIN, REDUCING THE DISCHARGE, MEETING MFL AND DROUGHT
02:57:18 MANAGEMENT AND THE OTHER BENEFITS.
02:57:20 IN ADDITION TO THE COSTS, WE LOOKED AT THAT ON A CAPITAL
02:57:25 COAST AND A 30-YEAR LIFE CYCLE COST WHICH INCLUDED
02:57:28 CAPITAL AND ALSO OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE EACH YEAR FOR
02:57:32 30 YEARS.
02:57:33 THE SECOND PART THAT WE RANKED IS ON THE BENEFITS.
02:57:37 THIS INCLUDED LOOKING AT THE REDUCTION IN THE DISCHARGE,
02:57:42 MEETING THE MFLs, AND ALSO THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT FOR
02:57:46 THE RESERVOIR.
02:57:47 FOR REDUCTION IN DISCHARGE AND ALSO FOR MINIMUM FLOW, ALL
02:57:51 FOUR OF THESE COMBINATIONS CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, SO YOU
02:57:54 CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT IN ANY ONE OF THE COMBINATIONS,
02:58:00 REDUCING THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT,
02:58:02 AND ALSO IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION FEASIBILITY FOR
02:58:05 IMPLEMENTING THE PROJECT.
02:58:07 WHEN WE EVALUATE THOSE AND SCORED THE PROJECTS OF THESE
02:58:12 COMBINATIONS, COMBINATION 3 HAS THE HIGHEST SCORE OR WAS
02:58:17 THE TOP RANKED, THE NUMBER 1 THERE.
02:58:21 THEN YOU GO FOLLOWED BY COMBINATION 4 WHICH IS THE SECOND
02:58:24 HIGHEST BENEFITS, AND THEN COMBINATION 1, AND THEN
02:58:28 COMBINATION 2 BASED ON THE BENEFIT.
02:58:31 WHEN YOU COMBINE THE COST AND THE BENEFIT RANKING FOR A
02:58:37 COMPLIANCE SCORE, COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE AND
02:58:40 RECOVERY TO THE RIVER HAD THE LOWEST SCORE OR THE TOP
02:58:46 RANKED OF THE FOUR COMBINATIONS FOLLOWED BY COMBINATION 2
02:58:50 AND COMBINATION 4 WERE TIED, AND THEN COMBINATION 1 WOULD
02:58:55 BE THE LOWEST RANKED.
02:58:57 ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THESE FOUR COMBINATIONS, THE WAY I
02:59:01 LOOK AT THEM, AGAIN, ALL FOUR COMBINATIONS WILL ADDRESS
02:59:05 REDUCTION DISCHARGE, AND ALSO MEET YOUR MFL.
02:59:10 COMBINATION 1 AND 4 ARE MORE EXPENSIVE AND THEY COST MORE
02:59:13 TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ALTERNATIVES.
02:59:15 IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE TWO LOWER COST OPTIONS,
02:59:19 COMBINATION 2 AND 3 REALLY THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE ON
02:59:25 THAT IS THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT.
02:59:26 COMBINATION 3, YOU ARE USING THE RECLAIMED WATER NOT JUST
02:59:29 FOR MFL BUT ALSO FOR DROUGHT MANAGEMENT FOR YOUR
02:59:32 RESERVOIR, WHEREAS COMBINATION 2 YOU WOULD BE DISCHARGING
02:59:36 FOR THE MFL, SELLING A PORTION OF THAT WATER, AND
02:59:39 DISPOSING PART OF THE WATER TO DEEP WELL INJECTION.
02:59:43 IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
02:59:46 SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS IS THE TO
02:59:50 ALTERNATIVE COMBINATION BASED ON THE BENEFIT AND THE
02:59:53 OVERALL COMBINED RANKING IS COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER
02:59:58 RECHARGE AND RECOVERY.
03:00:00 WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THE
03:00:02 FEASIBILITY OF COMBINATION 2 AND COMBINATION 3.
03:00:07 THE REASON WE ARE RECOMMENDING COMBINATION 2 TO CONSIDER
03:00:10 THAT IS IT WAS THE LOWEST COST OPTION.
03:00:15 HOWEVER THAT INVOLVES SELLING THE RECLAIMED WATER TO
03:00:17 ANOTHER ENTITY.
03:00:19 AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU WOULD FIRST WANT TO
03:00:22 EXPLORE THE INTEREST TO SEE IF YOU COULD -- WOULD BE ABLE
03:00:26 TO SELL THE RECLAIMED WATER TO ANOTHER ENTITY WITHIN THE
03:00:31 TIME PERIOD THAT YOU MAY CHOOSE AND ASPECTS OF ANY
03:00:37 AGREEMENT LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF
03:00:39 THE CITY.
03:00:40 IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE THAT YOU FOUND DESIRABLE,
03:00:43 THEN WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND FURTHER EXPLORATION OF THE
03:00:46 DEEP WELL INJECTION FROM PERMITTABILITY AND FEASIBILITY
03:00:50 OF THE GEOTECHNICAL.
03:00:52 OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ALSO INCLUDE CONTINUATION OF YOUR
03:00:55 CONSERVATION AND YOUR PIPES PROGRAMS.
03:00:57 THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING CONSERVATION FOR DECADES SO YOU
03:01:00 HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A LEADER ON THAT.
03:01:02 AND THEN FINALLY IMPLEMENTATION OF THINGS LIKE AMI OR
03:01:05 ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE.
03:01:07 WE SEE THOSE, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHICH COMBINATION YOU
03:01:10 TAKE.
03:01:10 THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS ARE ALWAYS BENEFICIAL TO THE
03:01:13 CITY.
03:01:14 SO WITH THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
03:01:16 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:01:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
03:01:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WISH SOMETHING EXPLAINED TO THE
03:01:24 PUBLIC, THERE'S SO MANY LETTERS AND NAMES AND HAVE
03:01:31 TROUBLE.
03:01:31 LIKE ASR, WE KNOW WHAT IT IS BUT THE PUBLIC MAY NOT.
03:01:34 YOU GO TO HRR.
03:01:39 THE PUBLIC MAY NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS.
03:01:41 I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT IS.
03:01:42 AND YOU HAVE GOT TO EXPLAIN WHY THE COST, AND TWO ARE
03:01:49 TIED FOR SECOND, AND ONE IS ALMOST TWICE, A LITTLE OVER
03:01:53 TWICE THE AMOUNT OF 3.
03:01:55 HOWEVER, THE LESS EXPENSIVE OR THE LEAST EXPENSIVE IS THE
03:02:04 ONE THAT THE CITY HAS TO SELL RECLAIMED WATER.
03:02:06 BUT IT DOESN'T SAY HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SELL IT, HOW YOU
03:02:09 ARE GOING TO GET IT THERE.
03:02:11 THAT'S NUMBER 2.
03:02:12 AND THERE'S ANOTHER IDEA THAT'S NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP.
03:02:18 AND THE COST OF THE PIPE FROM.A TO.B MEANING FROM CURREN
03:02:24 TO TIPPIN IS THE SAME COST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER
03:02:29 FINISHED OR RECLAIMED WATER, PURIFICATION.
03:02:33 HOWEVER, BY OCTOBER 31st OF THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE THE
03:02:36 LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR,
03:02:39 WE MUST PRESENT A PLAN TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH
03:02:43 THE RECLAIMED WATER.
03:02:45 I'M SURE SOMEONE IS GOING TO ASK YOU, WHO ARE YOU GOING
03:02:48 TO SELL IT TO?
03:02:51 HOWEVER, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE LEGISLATURE -- I ALWAYS
03:02:55 THINK, WHAT IF?
03:02:57 AND THAT BOTHERS ME, THE WHAT IF?
03:03:00 WHAT IF NOTHING OF THIS HAPPENS.
03:03:02 THERE IS NO COST INVOLVED IN FINDING OUT WHAT THE IDEA OF
03:03:07 COST IS, TO CONVERT THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT INTO A
03:03:11 DRINKING WATER STANDARD.
03:03:12 AND FEED IT INTO THE BAY TO MAKE SURE THAT PLANNING POINT
03:03:16 NEVER HAPPENS IN THIS DAY AGAIN.
03:03:18 IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND YOU
03:03:21 REALLY WANT TO HELP EVERYTHING AROUND, IT WILL BE AT
03:03:25 LEAST ANOTHER PRESENTATION OF WHAT TO DO WITH THAT WATER.
03:03:28 RIGHT NOW, I CAN SAY THAT WHERE THAT RECLAIMED WATER IS
03:03:32 GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS, NOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I
03:03:35 DON'T KNOW, 30, 40, 50 YEARS MAYBE, BUT WE HAVE MADE, WE
03:03:40 THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE CITIZENS, HAVE CREATED A
03:03:44 RESTORATION OF THE SPECIES TO COME BACK EQUAL TO OR
03:03:53 GREATER THAN IT WAS IN THE 1950s; AM I CORRECT?
03:03:57 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
03:03:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF WE REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
03:04:01 ENVIRONMENT, WE CAN BE THE LEADER NOT ONLY HERE IN
03:04:03 FLORIDA BUT THE WHOLE UNITED STATES ON HOW TO DO THINGS
03:04:06 RIGHT.
03:04:08 AND ONE OF THE BUYERS MAY BE TAMPA BAY WATER.
03:04:12 HOW DOES IT GET THERE?
03:04:13 WHAT IS THE COST TO GET THERETO?
03:04:14 IS IT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE, THE COST?
03:04:17 THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT GO THROUGH MY MIND RAPIDLY
03:04:20 SO I EVEN -- BEFORE I SPEAK.
03:04:26 BUT SOME WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER
03:04:31 ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE NOT -- ON THE CITY'S SIDE.
03:04:39 TO FIND OUT WHAT IT COSTS.
03:04:42 ALL THE OTHER COSTS, WE KNOW WHAT THE PIPES ARE GOING TO
03:04:44 COST.
03:04:45 WE KNOW WHAT THE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO COST.
03:04:47 WE KNOW THE DISTRIBUTION.
03:04:48 WE ALREADY HAVE A DISTRIBUTION TO SOME POINT.
03:04:53 AND CERTAINLY THE PIPES PROGRAM WAS MENTIONED BEFORE BY
03:04:56 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:04:58 THAT IS GOING SAVE A FEW MILLION GALLONS.
03:05:00 HOWEVER, I FIND IT ODD THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED 5-2
03:05:04 SOMETIME BACK NOT TO EXPAND THE WATER PLANT BUT THE PIPES
03:05:10 PROGRAM.
03:05:12 DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE.
03:05:15 SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING NOT ONLY
03:05:19 FOR OURSELVES, THE SEVEN 6 US, BUT FOR THE HUNDREDS OF
03:05:23 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA.
03:05:25 ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A -- WE GOT THAT 600,000, AM I CORRECT?
03:05:31 >>BRAD BAIRD: YES.
03:05:33 ALMOST 700,000, YES.
03:05:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M OFF BY 100,000.
03:05:40 BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY, MR. BAIRD, IS THERE'S SO
03:05:43 MANY THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT THIS IS
03:05:45 SOMETHING THAT IS INVIGORATING TO SEE THE TECHNOLOGY
03:05:50 THAT'S OUT THERE NOW THAN THE 20s AND 30s AND 40S.
03:05:57 WE USED TO GET WATER FROM ULELE SPRINGS I.I DON'T
03:06:01 REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS BACK EVEN BEFORE, I DON'T
03:06:04 KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THE 1900s, I THINK ABOUT 400,000 OR
03:06:08 4 MILLION GALLONS, ONE OF THE TWO.
03:06:10 AND THAT WAS THE ONE WE HAD.
03:06:12 WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED IN 1974, 20% OF THE
03:06:16 POPULATION -- AND I MAY BE -- THE NUMBERS MAY BE INVERTED
03:06:20 OATH EITHER DIDN'T HAVE WATER OR 20%, NOTHING BUT WELL
03:06:27 WATER.
03:06:29 OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE CONNECTION TO THE CITY'S LINES GOING
03:06:37 TO THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT.
03:06:39 THEY HAD SEPTIC TANKS.
03:06:41 AND SOMEWHERE IN THE 70s WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE THAT
03:06:43 YOU HAD TO SIGN IN FOR CITY WATER AND YOU HAD TO HOOK UP
03:06:48 TO THE LINE.
03:06:49 AND I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING OF $200, $250.
03:06:52 DON'T QUOTE ME TO THAT.
03:06:54 THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
03:06:56 BUT REMEMBER THAT?
03:06:57 YOU WERE THERE.
03:06:58 >> I WAS THERE, TOO.
03:07:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO I CAN THANK THAT COUNCIL FOR
03:07:03 MAKING THOSE STEPS BECAUSE IF THAT HADN'T HAPPENED, CAN
03:07:06 YOU IMAGINE WHERE WE WOULD BE TODAY?
03:07:08 AND WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX,
03:07:13 AND THINK OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
03:07:16 AND THIS CITY, THIS COMMUNITY, ALL OF US, OUGHT TO BE
03:07:21 PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE.
03:07:22 BECAUSE -- ST. PETE DOESN'T HAVE THAT, DO THEY?
03:07:31 >> THEY DO NOT.
03:07:33 >> AND THEY USED TO CHASTISE TAMPA FOR PUTTING WATER
03:07:37 UNDER SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEY THEMSELVES ARE PUTTING
03:07:39 UNTREATED.
03:07:40 NOW, MILLIONS OF GALLONS A DAY.
03:07:42 SO I AM TIRED. I AM GOING TO TAKE MY GLOVES OFF BECAUSE
03:07:45 I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT NO MORE THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA
03:07:49 DOES THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER.
03:07:50 AND THERE'S ANOTHER THING.
03:07:51 I DON'T KNOW HOW TAMPA BAY WATER GOT INTO THE CHILDREN'S
03:07:54 MUSEUM, BUT I AM GOING TO FIND OUT.
03:07:58 AND I AM JUST EXHAUSTED OF THIS WATER ISSUE.
03:08:03 THERE IS NOWHERE -- IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO ATLANTA, LAKE
03:08:10 LANIER, IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO CALIFORNIA, IF YOU HAVE BEEN
03:08:12 TO CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, TO ISRAEL, AUSTRALIA, YOU CAN NAME
03:08:17 COUNTRY AFTER COUNTRY AFTER COUNTRY, AND ALL OF THEM
03:08:21 DRINKING THIS.
03:08:22 I AND I DON'T KNOW ONE PERSON WHO DIED.
03:08:24 AND I REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE BROUGHT IN FROM
03:08:28 CENTRAL MEXICO THAT THE WATER SUPPLY ABOUT 60, 70 MILLION
03:08:32 GALLONS, 12, 14 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A MEETING AT THE FEIGN
03:08:39 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, IT WAS ABOUT 200, 250 PEOPLE
03:08:43 THERE.
03:08:45 WE LEARNED A LOT.
03:08:47 THE PUBLIC WAS APPALLED AT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH WATER.
03:08:50 AND SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DO IT.
03:08:53 WHY CAN'T WE?
03:08:54 FURTHERMORE, THIS CITY IS ONE OF THE FASTEST CITIES
03:08:57 GROWING IN AMERICA.
03:08:58 AND IT AIN'T BECAUSE OF US.
03:09:00 IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER, BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF PEOPLE
03:09:02 UP NORTH, BECAUSE OF THE TAXES OF PEOPLE UP NORTH, WHERE
03:09:09 THEY ARE AT, WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE FOR HALF A MILLION,
03:09:13 IT'S CHUMP CHANGE.
03:09:14 YOU CAN'T BUY A HOUSE IN NEW YORK CITY.
03:09:15 YOU CAN'T BUY AN APARTMENT IN NEW YORK CITY.
03:09:19 AND IT'S HAPPENING HERE.
03:09:21 AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WATER COSTS.
03:09:23 I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYONE TO GIVE YOU BETTER WATER FOR THE
03:09:27 PRICE THAT WE ARE DELIVERING IT.
03:09:29 AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER?
03:09:35 20 YEARS AGO.
03:09:36 $2 A MONTH.
03:09:38 WE NEVER CHARGED FOR NO PIPES.
03:09:40 WE NEVER CHARGED FOR NO REPLACEMENT.
03:09:43 WE CHARGED FOR THE DRINKING WATER THAT WE PRODUCED, THE
03:09:46 DISTRIBUTION, AND THE METERING AND THE COST OF SENDING
03:09:49 THE BILLS OUT.
03:09:50 THERE WAS NEVER A COST THAT I KNOW OF TO REPLACE AND
03:09:54 REPAIR.
03:09:55 BUT WE WERE SPENDING, YOU KNOW WHAT?
03:09:58 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS BETWEEN THE WATER AND THE TWO
03:10:04 TREATMENT LINES, CURREN AND WATER COMING FROM HOWARD -- I
03:10:10 MEAN DAVID TIPPIN.
03:10:11 SO 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
03:10:14 I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 24.
03:10:16 YOU JUST MULTIPLY IT BY TEN YEARS.
03:10:21 WHAT WE ALSO DID, THE WATER COST IS THE SAME AS WHEN WE
03:10:26 LEFT MANY YEARS AGO.
03:10:27 HOWEVER, WE INCLUDE IT, BECAUSE MORE WATER, MORE REPLACE;
03:10:33 30 MILLION, 40 MILLION, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU
03:10:36 HAVE NOTHING BUT LEAKY PIPES.
03:10:40 SO WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THAT COUNCIL TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO
03:10:44 DO THAT, CHARGE $2, WENT UP TO $3.
03:10:49 WHY DID WE DO THAT?
03:11:00 LET ME SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
03:11:01 IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THROW MONEY AWAY REPAIRING, NOT
03:11:07 REPLACING, RIGHT THERE, AND YOU ARE RUNNING AROUND
03:11:17 CHASING NOTHING, BUT YOU CAN'T FIX THEM ALL.
03:11:21 WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF HAVING, IF WE CAN DO ALL OF
03:11:25 THIS, ONE OF THE FINEST DISTRIBUTIONS IN WATER AND THE
03:11:28 COST.
03:11:29 SEE, THE COST OF WATER HAS TO GO UP.
03:11:36 $3.
03:11:37 WHY?
03:11:39 FOR THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
03:11:40 WHEN YOU FINANCE SOMETHING, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS.
03:11:43 YOU ONLY GET HALF OF IT DONE BECAUSE THE OTHER HALF IS
03:11:46 INTEREST.
03:11:47 SO WE ARE SO STUPID IN AMERICA THAT WE FINANCE IT.
03:11:51 IT GETS DONE.
03:11:52 IT GETS DONE ALL RIGHT BUT SOMEBODY IS GETTING 4.5, 5%
03:11:56 INTEREST.
03:11:57 NOT IN THIS CITY.
03:11:58 WE DID THAT BECAUSE ABOUT 47% OF THE TOTAL COST OF THE
03:12:03 2.9 BILLION DOLLARS IS GOING TO BE 100% FINANCED BY US,
03:12:10 THE CITY.
03:12:12 THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS CITY, BECAUSE THEY WERE SMART
03:12:15 ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
03:12:16 THE OTHER 53% LATER IN LIFE POSSIBLY, IF WE DON'T FIND A
03:12:21 MIRACLE, IS GOING TO HAVE TO FINANCE IT.
03:12:23 BUT WE CAN START IT.
03:12:24 HOWEVER, FROM WHERE I COME FROM, YOU HAVE TO THINK A
03:12:28 LITTLE AHEAD.
03:12:30 IF YOU TURN THE CORNER IT'S GOING TO KNOCK THE HELL OUT
03:12:33 OF YOU.
03:12:33 WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THIS.
03:12:35 WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THIS CITY HAS DONE AND COMPARE WITH
03:12:40 NO ONE.
03:12:41 WE ARE WAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
03:12:42 HOWEVER, WE MUST LOOK 20, 30, 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IN
03:12:49 1998, YOU WERE THERE, WE OFFERED WATER TO AN AGENCY.
03:12:56 IT TURNED US DOWN.
03:13:01 WE OFFERED DIFFERENT PHASES A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND THEY
03:13:07 TURNED US DOWN.
03:13:08 SO WHEN SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW MANY MILLIONS OF
03:13:11 GALLONS, 20, 25 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, TO MAKE THE
03:13:16 OPERATION WORK, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
03:13:18 AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE DISTRIBUTION?
03:13:21 NO ONE EVER TOLD ME THAT.
03:13:23 NO ONE TOLD THE PUBLIC THAT.
03:13:26 I AM BRINGING IT UP.
03:13:27 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT THERE AND WHO IS GOING TO BUY
03:13:29 IT?
03:13:29 THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
03:13:32 IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU GET THAT WATER, YOU COMPLY
03:13:34 WITH THE OCTOBER 31, 2021, DEADLINE, YOU COMPLY WITH
03:13:41 THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU GOT TO DO.
03:13:44 WHAT ARE YOU GOING DO WITH THE WATER?
03:13:58 THIS CITY WOULD BE PRISTINE AS FAR AS HELPING THE
03:14:03 ENVIRONMENT.
03:14:05 WE DON'T -- THOSE PEOPLE THAT GO TO CLEARWATER, ST. PETE,
03:14:11 MADEIRA BEACH, WHEREVER, PASS-A-GRILLE, THEY COME OVER
03:14:16 HERE.
03:14:19 THEY DON'T COME TO CITY COUNCIL BUT THEY WANT TO GO TO
03:14:22 THE LOWRY PARK ZOO, TO THE AQUARIUM, LIKE ALL KID, THEY
03:14:27 WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY GOT TO SEE.
03:14:29 SO WE WILL GET THE RESIDUAL VALUE FROM THAT ALONE.
03:14:32 CHAIRMAN, I APOLOGIZE BUT I WILL STOP RIGHT NOW.
03:14:41 I AM NOT GOING TO LET GO AT ALL.
03:14:43 AND I PROMISE YOU,.
03:14:50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:14:50 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AND QUICK
03:15:01 QUESTIONS.
03:15:02 FIRST OF ALL, AS I SAID BEFORE, ANOTHER TIME, THERE'S NO
03:15:05 QUESTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS ESTIMATE IN THE
03:15:08 FUTURE.
03:15:10 OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TECHNOLOGY AROUND THE WORLD, THE CHOICE
03:15:14 OF TECHNOLOGY IN THIS CASE I THINK IS BEING QUESTIONED BY
03:15:17 A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTALISTS.
03:15:18 THEY DON'T TRUST IT.
03:15:20 BUT THE BIG ISSUE IS, WHEN DO WE DO IT AND HOW DO WE DO
03:15:24 IT?
03:15:25 AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN MULTIPLE WAYS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO
03:15:28 DO IT NOW OTHER THAN WE HAVE LEGISLATION THAT'S COMING
03:15:31 FORWARD, THAT'S COMING FORWARD, THAT'S REQUIRING US TO DO
03:15:34 IT.
03:15:35 OTHERWISE, WE WOULDN'T RUSH THIS.
03:15:38 I THINK IT'S RECKLESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE TO PUT THIS COST
03:15:41 ON OUR RATE PAYERS AT A TIME WHEN WE JUST DOUBLED THE
03:15:46 RATE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
03:15:49 YOU ALL KNOW, YOU HEARD FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
03:15:52 A LOT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO IT, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, A LOT
03:15:57 OF PEOPLE -- THAT THEIR RATES WERE GOING TO DOUBLE AND
03:16:01 THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT.
03:16:02 THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD THAT EXTRA $40 OR
03:16:05 WHATEVER THEIR BILL IS PER MONTH.
03:16:07 I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THEM THAT WE DON'T RAISE
03:16:10 THE RATES UNTIL WE NEED TO.
03:16:12 THIS IS NOT LIKE REPLACING PIPES THAT ARE FALLING A PART.
03:16:16 THIS IS ABOUT SOLVE A PROBLEM 30 YEARS IN THE FUTURE OR
03:16:19 PROVIDING A SOLUTION FOR ONCE IN A LIFETIME DROUGHT OR
03:16:22 ONCE IN 20 YEARS DROUGHT EVENT WHICH STILL WOULD SOLVE
03:16:26 THROUGH OUR REGIONAL PLAN.
03:16:30 MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU IS, IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT,
03:16:35 ARE YOU ALL GOING TO SHOW ALL FOUR OPTIONS OR ARE YOU
03:16:40 ONLY GOING TO SHOW THE TOP 2 OR 3?
03:16:44 >>BRAD BAIRD: OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, WE WILL BE
03:16:46 WORKING ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE SHOWN BY OUR
03:16:51 PUBLIC OUTREACH TEAM, AND WE WILL USE THAT INFORMATION TO
03:16:58 INCORPORATE IN THE COMBINATION WE END UP WITH, WHICH WILL
03:17:02 BE EITHER COMBINATION 2 OR COMBINATION 3.
03:17:05 >>BILL CARLSON: WHY WOULDN'T -- I WILL ASK THE QUESTION.
03:17:08 CAN YOU -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
03:17:11 I THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT THE
03:17:14 OPTIONS ARE.
03:17:15 ONE OF THEM IS WHAT I CALL THE PURPLE PIPES, AND I THINK
03:17:20 THEY HAVE NAMES, BY THE WAY, IN TALKING TO THE PUBLIC, OR
03:17:23 A, B, C AND D.
03:17:25 BUT THEY NEED TO BE EXPLAINED IN A SIMPLE WAY.
03:17:27 BUT IF THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO PUT
03:17:29 THIS WATER ON OUR YARDS INSTEAD OF PUTTING DRINKING WATER
03:17:33 ON N OUR YARDS AND THEN DRINK THE POTTY WATER.
03:17:37 SO IF WE GIVE THEM A CHOICE AND WE SAY YOUR RATE IS GOING
03:17:41 TO GO UP BY $40 A MONTH FINANCE WE DO ONE VERSION AND UP
03:17:44 BY $80 IF WE DO ANOTHER VERSION, THEN THEY HAVE A CHOICE,
03:17:47 THEY CAN GIVE US FEEDBACK.
03:17:49 BUT IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM A CHOICE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE
03:17:51 ARE JUST RAMMING ONE IDEA DOWN.
03:17:53 I THINK GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON WHICH
03:17:56 ONE THEY DON'T WANT.
03:17:57 I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS
03:18:00 ALWAYS NECESSARY TO GIVE THEM OPTIONS THEY CAN THROW A
03:18:02 WAIT A MINUTE OTHERWISE IT'S A YES-NO VOTE ON THE
03:18:05 RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE.
03:18:05 >>BRAD BAIRD: WE WILL AS PART OF THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT
03:18:11 BE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION ON THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS
03:18:14 REPORT.
03:18:15 AND THAT REPORT WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLINE TO THE PUBLIC AS
03:18:20 WELL, AND ALL FOUR COMBINATIONS.
03:18:23 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE TO THE PUBLIC, YOU SAY, HERE ARE
03:18:27 THE REASONS, THE STATE LEGISLATION, AND SALTWATER
03:18:31 INTRUSION, THESE ARE THE THREE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO DO
03:18:34 THIS AND HERE ARE FOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT WE PROPOSE IN
03:18:36 THE STUDY AND HERE IS THE OUTCOME, GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK
03:18:39 ON THESE AS COMPARED.
03:18:42 >>JEAN DUNCAN: I JUST WANT TO ADD WHILE BRAD IS SHARING,
03:18:48 PART OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING IN OUR PUBLIC
03:18:50 ENGAGEMENT IS WORKING WITH OUR TEAM, AGAIN, OF COURSE WE
03:18:54 WILL HAVE A MULTI-FACETED TEAM, AND FINDING BETTER WAYS
03:18:58 TO COMMUNICATE THE ALTERNATIVES IN LANGUAGE THAT IS
03:19:04 LAYMEN'S TERMS UNDERSTANDABLE.
03:19:06 >>BILL CARLSON: THE MAIN QUESTION, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT
03:19:09 ALL FOUR OR JUST THE SHORT LIST?
03:19:11 >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE COMMITTED TO NEUTRAL SOLUTION
03:19:14 APPROACH.
03:19:14 SO WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE
03:19:16 AVAILABLE, EVEN IF THEY ARE -- THEY ARE NOT REALLY
03:19:21 SOLVING THE PROBLEM WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE.
03:19:23 SO WE HAVEN'T LAID THE DETAILS OUT YET.
03:19:27 BUT USING TERMS AND QUESTIONS, INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE
03:19:33 CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
03:19:36 WE HAVE TOO MANY ACRONYMS.
03:19:37 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE IF WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE
03:19:40 PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC AND WE PRESENT ALL THE
03:19:41 ALTERNATIVES AND THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH AND THE PUBLIC
03:19:44 COMES BACK AND SAYS, YEAH, WE REALLY LIKE A CERTAIN
03:19:49 OPTION, THIS OPTION THAT YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING, I THINK
03:19:52 WE WOULD GO ALONG WITH IT, IF IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS
03:19:55 EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
03:19:57 >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WAS GOING TO LIKE THE FACTS, MOST
03:20:02 LIKELY MAJORITY CONCLUSION WE WILL HAVE OF WHAT IS THE
03:20:06 BEST ALTERNATIVE.
03:20:07 THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET THAT CONSENSUS IS WHAT THE
03:20:10 FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
03:20:12 SO WE WILL BE DOING THAT --
03:20:14 >>BILL CARLSON: AS WE SAID BEFORE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
03:20:18 THAT THE FACTS ARE PRESENTED IN AN ACCURATE WAY, LIKE WE
03:20:24 TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE MESSAGE, WE NEED THIS FOR
03:20:27 SUPPLY, I'M SURE YOU CAN SHOW NUMBERS THAT SAY THAT'S
03:20:33 TRUE, I'M SURE YOU CAN SHOW NUMBERS THAT SAY THAT ISN'T
03:20:36 TRUE.
03:20:36 THE SECOND QUESTION, MR. MIRANDA MADE A MOTION A FEW
03:20:39 WEEKS AGO TO HAVE STAFF OF TAMPA BAY WATER TO MEET TO
03:20:44 TALK ABOUT POSSIBILITIES.
03:20:45 DID THAT MEETING HAPPEN AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF IT?
03:20:48 >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT WAS THE NEXT THING I WAS GOING TO
03:20:50 TALK ABOUT.
03:20:52 >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME GO TOTAL NEXT THING IF YOU ARE
03:20:54 GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN COME BACK TO IT.
03:20:59 'N IN MY CONVERSATION WITH JEAN AND CHUCK THE OTHER DAY,
03:21:01 I FOLLOWED UP WITH TAMPA BAY WATER.
03:21:05 TAMPA IS NOT AN OFFICIAL MESSAGE TO ME OR ANYTHING, BUT I
03:21:08 THINK -- AND MR. MIRANDA SITS ON THE BOARD -- BUT THE
03:21:12 CITY NOTIFIED TAMPA BAY WATER I THINK A DAY OR TWO BEFORE
03:21:15 THE LAST BOARD MEETING THAT THE CITY NEEDS A DECISION BY
03:21:19 OCTOBER AS TO WHETHER TAMPA BAY WATER CAN BUY 20 MILLION
03:21:23 GALLONS A DAY, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST REALLY THAT TAMPA
03:21:26 BAY WATER HAD BEEN ASKED THAT, AND IT WAS AT A BOARD
03:21:30 MEETING AND THEY HAVE A COUPLE MORE BOARD MEETINGS BEFORE
03:21:33 OCTOBER WHICH IS NOT SUFFICIENT TIME.
03:21:35 SO HOW DO -- IF OUR PURPOSE IS TO HAVE AN HONEST DIALOGUE
03:21:42 AND LOOK FOR HONEST OPTIONS, HOW DO WE DO THAT AND THEN
03:21:47 CONNECT TO THAT AS A POSSIBLE UNDER THE LEGISLATION, TO
03:21:50 GO BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY WE ARE IN EARNEST
03:21:53 TRYING TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVES BUT WE NEED A LITTLE
03:21:55 BIT MORE TIME TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, OR
03:21:58 GIVE ATTENTIVE ANSWER, AND THEN COME BACK WITH A FINAL
03:22:01 ANSWER.
03:22:01 >>BRAD BAIRD: OKAY.
03:22:04 SO, YEAH, MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS
03:22:09 WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, THEIR INTERIM GENERAL MANAGER CHUCK
03:22:14 HARDON GAVE A PRESENTATION, OR SMALL PRESENTATION TO THE
03:22:18 BOARD, AND I WAS NOT THERE.
03:22:25 I WAS ON VACATION.
03:22:27 BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE GOT THE APPROVAL TO PROCEED TO
03:22:31 HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
03:22:33 AND THE DISCUSSIONS NEED TO INCLUDE TWO PRIMARY THINGS.
03:22:38 ONE, THE PURCHASE OF 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AS YOU
03:22:41 JUST MENTIONED.
03:22:43 ASSOCIATED WITH COMBINATION TWO.
03:22:46 COMBINATION TWO TO HELP SOLVE OUR THREE PROBLEMS, WE
03:22:49 WOULD NEED TO SELL 20 MGD TO SOMEBODY, WHETHER THAT'S
03:22:54 TAMPA BAY WATER, POLK COUNTY, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
03:22:58 AND WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT IF WE ARE SUBMITTING THE
03:23:01 PLANS BY NOVEMBER 1st AS REQUIRED BY THE LEGISLATIVE
03:23:04 LEGISLATION.
03:23:04 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE GO AHEAD AND START REQUESTING A
03:23:08 DELAY?
03:23:08 AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THIS.
03:23:11 AND THEN SIMULTANEOUSLY COULDN'T WE GET OUR LOBBYIST FOR
03:23:13 THE CITY TO START ASKING FOR APPEAL SINCE THE LEGISLATION
03:23:20 IS CHANGING, IT'S A HUGE UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT IS GOING
03:23:24 TO PUT A BURDEN ON OUR RATE PAYERS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO
03:23:27 ARE WORKING WEEK TO WEEK, IT'S GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE
03:23:30 INCREASE FOR THEM.
03:23:31 >>BRAD BAIRD: UNDERSTOOD.
03:23:37 THAT'S NOT THE POSITION OF CITY ADMINISTRATION TO THIS
03:23:40 POINT.
03:23:40 AND WE ARE WORKING WITH A GROUP OF UTILITIES ACROSS
03:23:44 FLORIDA ON SUBMITTING THE PLAN.
03:23:50 SO THAT ALL UTILITIES ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
03:23:53 SO THE INTENT NOW IS TO COMPLY WITH THE LEGISLATION AND
03:23:56 SUBMIT THAT PLAN BY NOVEMBER 1st.
03:23:59 WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WITH ALL THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE
03:24:03 OVER THE YEARS, AND EVERY FIVE YEARS FOR THE MASTER WATER
03:24:07 SUPPLY PLAN, THAT THEY WILL KNOW, THEY KNOW NOW WHETHER
03:24:12 OR NOT THEY NEED TO BUY OR NEED $20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY
03:24:16 TO MEET THE FUTURE GROWTH DEMANDS.
03:24:19 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OF THE OPTION THAT'S NOT IN THERE IF
03:24:24 I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WE DRAW SOMETHING LIKE 11 MGD FROM
03:24:28 SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THE RESULT IS SALTWATER INTRUSION.
03:24:32 WHAT IF WE JUST STOP PUMPING 11 MR. GD?
03:24:36 WOULD IT NOT STOP OUR MINIMUM FLOWS BY MGD AND JUST BUY
03:24:41 THAT FROM TAMPA BAY WATER INSTEAD?
03:24:43 >> THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE, YES.
03:24:45 >>BILL CARLSON: IS IT SAFE?
03:24:47 LIKE I SAID ON THE DESCRIPTIONS IT'S NOT CLEAR WHICH
03:24:50 ALTERNATIVE IS THAT UNDER?
03:24:52 STOP PUMPING?
03:24:54 >>BRAD BAIRD: LET ME COVER THE SECOND ITEM AND I WILL
03:24:56 ASK MARK IF HE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
03:24:59 >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL JUST SAY THIS AND THEN I WILL BE
03:25:01 QUIET FOR NOW BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THE BIGGEST OPTION
03:25:04 THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE IS THAT WE WOULD GO TO SOMEBODY
03:25:08 LIKE TAMPA BAY WATER IDEALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE
03:25:12 REGIONAL WHOLESALER SUPPLY AND WE WOULD OFFER TO SELL
03:25:15 THEM THAT 50 GMD.
03:25:17 WE DON'T KNOW IF EXACT RATE BECAUSE THOSE RATES ARE BEING
03:25:19 DISCUSSED BUT LET'S SAY YOU GET $1.25 PER THOUSAND
03:25:23 GALLONS AND I THINK THE WHOLESALE RATE IS 250.
03:25:27 SO WHAT IF WE SOLD ALL OF OUR WATER AT THAT 125 AND THEN
03:25:32 WE ONLY BUY BACK WHAT WE NEED, AND IF WE NEED 11 MGD TO
03:25:37 REPLACE SULPHUR SPRINGS WE COULD BUY THAT BUT WE COULD
03:25:41 INCLUDE THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL OR GUARANTEE BUY BACK
03:25:44 SO WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO 50 GD WHICH WOULD TAKE US
03:25:48 PROBABLY TO THE NEXT 100 YEARS, AND OUR RATE PAYERS
03:25:51 WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE OF $6 BILLION OR $2 BILLION,
03:25:56 WE WOULD JUST BUY THE WATER WE NEED, AND SINCE WE DON'T
03:25:59 NEED EXCESS SUPPLY FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS, THEN ALL WE ARE
03:26:02 TRYING TO DO IS SOLVE THE SALTWATER INTRUSION ISSUE,
03:26:06 RIGHT?
03:26:07 >>BRAD BAIRD: AND MINIMUM FLOWS, YES.
03:26:10 THE --
03:26:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BAIRD.
03:26:15 I AM GOING TO LET YOU MAKE THAT POINT ON THAT BUT THEN I
03:26:19 WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE I WANT TO END THIS
03:26:21 MEETING.
03:26:23 AND THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE A WATER ISSUE ABOUT PURE, SO
03:26:27 YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ME, ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE THIS IS A
03:26:30 HOT TOPIC, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING.
03:26:33 I AM NOT GOING TO FILL THE AGENDA UP ON THAT DAY IF WE
03:26:36 HAVE TO GO BACK WITH ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT PURE.
03:26:38 I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
03:26:40 TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND MR. SHELBY AND THE CLERK'S
03:26:42 OFFICE F.PURE COMES BACK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
03:26:45 ITEMS ARE CUT DOWN SO THAT WE CAN GET UP THERE WHATEVER,
03:26:49 BECAUSE THESE ARE A LOT OF TOPICS COMING UP, OTHER
03:26:53 QUESTIONS BEING ASKED, AND I WANT TO GIVE THOSE PEOPLE
03:26:55 THE TIME THAT TOOK OFF WORK TO GET TO THEM, AND MAKE SURE
03:26:58 THAT COUNCILMEN HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ASKED AND THE
03:27:00 ADMINISTRATION UNDERSTANDS.
03:27:03 >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO
03:27:07 ANSWER THE ISSUES THAT MR. CARLSON BROUGHT UP.
03:27:10 BUT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SECOND DISCUSSIONS THAT
03:27:15 WE WANT TO HAVE WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, AND THAT IS
03:27:17 PARTNERING OPPORTUNITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMBINATION
03:27:20 3, BECAUSE COMBINATION 3 WOULD INCLUDE FREEING UP THE
03:27:25 WELL WATER IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WATERSHED FOR THE
03:27:28 REGION.
03:27:29 WHICH WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER FOR THE TAMPA BAY WATER,
03:27:32 AND FOR THE REGION.
03:27:33 SO WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS WELL.
03:27:36 AND FINALLY, DISCUSSIONS WITH FDEP REGARDING THE
03:27:41 PERMEABILITY OF DEEP WELL INJECTION.
03:27:43 BECAUSE COMBINATION 2 NOT ONLY REQUIRES SELLING 20
03:27:46 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO ANOTHER ENTITY, IT ALSO REQUIRES
03:27:51 TO PUT DOWN AT LEAST THE OTHER 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY
03:27:56 BUT IN SOME PARTS OF THE YEAR 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY,
03:27:59 THOUSANDS OF FEET INTO THE DEEP WELL INJECTION.
03:28:02 AND THAT MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE STATE TO BE A
03:28:06 BENEFICIAL REUSE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
03:28:13 AND I WILL HOLD OFF ON ANSWERING ALL THE OTHER, IF THAT'S
03:28:16 YOUR WISH.
03:28:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME DO THIS.
03:28:18 I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION HERE.
03:28:22 I WILL LET YOU JUMP IN, BUT THEN I WANT TO GET TO THOSE
03:28:25 FOLKS THAT ARE WAITING.
03:28:26 WE ARE GOING TO CUT IT OFF, AND SET ANOTHER DATE TO BRING
03:28:29 IT ALL IMPACT, AND THEN WE HAVE A LONGER DAY BECAUSE THIS
03:28:33 TAKES A WHILE.
03:28:34 >>JAN MCLEAN: OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY.
03:28:38 I WANT TO ADDRESS ONE FOCUS ITEM THAT MR. CARLSON HAS
03:28:43 RAISED AND OTHERS RAISED AS WELL.
03:28:45 AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE LEGISLATION THAT WE
03:28:48 SUBMIT A PLAN TO THE DEP BY NOVEMBER 1st OF THIS
03:28:51 YEAR.
03:28:52 THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EXTENDED, AND I WAS IN A
03:28:55 CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH DOZENS OF UTILITIES ON THE
03:28:58 TELECONFERENCE AND WE WERE ALL DISCUSSING HOW WE WERE
03:29:01 GOING TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
03:29:05 IT'S A DATE CERTAIN THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT A PLAN, AND
03:29:09 IF YOU DON'T SUBMIT A PLAN OR IF YOUR PLAN IS REJECT THEN
03:29:12 YOU ARE SUBJECT TO ENFORCEMENT BY THE STATE, THREE
03:29:17 DIFFERENT KIND OF ENFORCEMENT, AND THAT BY 2028, YOU MAY
03:29:21 NOT BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE WHAT YOU ARE DISCHARGING AS OF
03:29:26 THIS TIME.
03:29:27 AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT THOSE ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES
03:29:31 FOR THE STATE INCLUDE MONETARY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF.
03:29:36 SO THIS IS VERY CRITICAL THAT WE MEET THAT NOVEMBER
03:29:41 1st DATE.
03:29:42 IT DOES ALLOW FOR CONCEPTUAL.
03:29:44 IT DOES ALLOW FOR MODIFICATION.
03:29:46 IT DOES NOT EXTEND THE TIME PERIODS.
03:29:48 THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY, SIR.
03:29:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE ANY FOLKS ON THE SECOND
03:30:01 FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO THIS ITEM?
03:30:10 DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF DOWN THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
03:30:24 ALL RIGHT.
03:30:25 GOING ONCE.
03:30:26 GOING TWICE.
03:30:28 ALL RIGHT, MR. BAIRD.
03:30:42 ARE YOU ITEM NUMBER 9?
03:30:44 >> YES.
03:30:45 HI.
03:30:45 HOW ARE YOU?
03:30:46 MY NAME IS ANGELA MOORE.
03:30:48 I'M A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST FOR THE INNER CITY COMMUNITY.
03:30:53 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
03:30:57 I BASICALLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY COMMUNITY
03:31:01 AND THE INNER CITY COMMUNITY OF ROBLES PARK, WEST TAMPA,
03:31:07 COLLEGE HILL, PONCE DeLEON, CENTRAL PARK, RUBY TERRACE,
03:31:16 ET CETERA, CLAIR MEL.
03:31:18 WE ARE SAYING NO TO THE RECLAIMED WATER.
03:31:24 FORTUNATELY, I AM A WOMAN FROM THE URBAN COMMUNITY, AND
03:31:29 SINGLE MOTHER OF SIX.
03:31:31 I'M RAISING MY CHILDREN.
03:31:34 I PUT THREE THROUGH COLLEGE AND I DID THE BEST I COULD
03:31:36 WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE HOUSING, OF THE POLICE
03:31:41 DEPARTMENT, AND IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE
03:31:44 ABLE TO LEAD YOUR LEAVE YOUR INNER CITY AND VISIT OTHER
03:31:50 CITIES.
03:31:50 I VISIT NEW ORLEANS.
03:31:52 THEY ARE DIRTY.
03:31:53 I VISIT NEW YORK.
03:31:53 THEY ARE DIRTY.
03:31:55 AND TAMPA, WE HAVE A QUALITY ABOUT US WHERE WE ARE CLEAN.
03:31:58 WE MANICURE OUR LANDSCAPING.
03:32:03 WE CLEAN OUR GARBAGE CANS AROUND SO WE DON'T HOST
03:32:09 RACCOONS.
03:32:10 WE ENJOY BEACHES, AND AS A CHILD, IF YOU SEE PAPER,
03:32:16 LITTER ON THE FLOOR, TO PICK IT UP.
03:32:18 IF YOU GO INTO A RESTAURANT AND THEY GIVE YOU A DIRTY
03:32:21 GLASS, IT'S NATURAL COMMON SENSE TO SEND THE GLASS BACK
03:32:25 BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DRINK OUT OF A DIRTY GLASS, NO
03:32:28 LESS DIRTY WATER.
03:32:30 I COME FROM A LONG LINE OF WOMEN WITH OCD.
03:32:35 WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT FROM CHILDREN TO CLEAN UP, CLEAN OUR
03:32:40 HOMES, AND WE TAKE PRIDE WITH BARE HANDS.
03:32:44 WITH THAT OCD IS PASSED DOWN TO OUR CHILDREN.
03:32:48 MY DAUGHTER WAS THE AGE OF NINE AND SHE WAS DIAGNOSED
03:32:52 WITH CHIGELLA, THINGS THAT WERE AIRBORNE, I HAD TO SIGN A
03:32:58 PAPER STATING THAT I WOULDN'T SUE THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE
03:33:02 THIS MEDICINE WAS BEING TRIED AT THE UNIVERSITY.
03:33:05 I WAS THE FIRST TO USE IT.
03:33:07 AND MY DAUGHTER IS A YOUNG LADY THAT HAD TRIPLETS ON
03:33:13 CHRISTMAS.
03:33:13 WE MADE IT AND WE CONTINUE TO MAKE IT DOING SIMPLE THINGS
03:33:17 OF COMMON SENSE, OF KEEPING OURSELVES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
03:33:22 IF WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THESE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER
03:33:25 PROPERTIES WERE GIVING US RECLAIMED WATER, WE WOULD DENY
03:33:30 IT.
03:33:32 YOU HAVE GIVEN US THINGS WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE AND WE
03:33:34 DON'T KNOW.
03:33:35 MY UNCLE JUST TOLD ME WE ATE A RACCOON BEFORE.
03:33:40 UNCLE, IF YOU HAD TOLD ME I WAS EATING RACCOON I WOULDN'T
03:33:44 HAVE ATE IT IF I HAD THE CHOICE.
03:33:46 SO GIVE US THE CHOICE.
03:33:48 NONE OF THESE PEOPLE SPEAKING TO THE COMMUNITY, SIR, I AM
03:33:51 THE COMMUNITY.
03:33:51 I NEVER SAW THEM THERE.
03:33:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
03:33:55 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.
03:33:56 >> AND I WILL BE BACK TO CONTINUE.
03:34:00 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE I LEAVE, BECAUSE I HAVE
03:34:02 BEEN WAITING SINCE THIS MORNING, I DID WANT TO GET CAUGHT
03:34:05 UP IN THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE, JOHN DINGFELDER, MY DAUGHTER
03:34:13 IS THE AFRICAN LADY THAT WAS THERE IN 2019, AND YOU
03:34:19 PROMISED ME AND MY CHILD THAT YOU WOULD GIVE OUR
03:34:23 COMMUNITY BACK.
03:34:23 I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FROM WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ON THE
03:34:28 MEDIA AND SOCIAL MEDIA, FAQ, WITH THE COMMUNITY KILLING
03:34:31 OURSELVES.
03:34:32 I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THESE YOUNG MEN AND TAKE THEM TO THE
03:34:37 WAR.
03:34:37 THEY WON'T LET THEM SERVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE RECORDS.
03:34:42 WHY NOT LET THESE YOUNG MEN PROTECT US LIKE THEY ARE
03:34:45 PROTECTING THEIR FAMILY?
03:34:48 LIKE I SAID BEFORE I AM REPRESENTING ROBLES PARK, COLLEGE
03:34:51 HILL, WE ARE NOT -- THESE ARE MY FRIEND CHILDREN, THESE
03:34:56 ARE MY CHILDREN, THESE ARE MY SISTERS CHILDREN.
03:34:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
03:35:00 WE ALLOWED YOU THREE MINUTES.
03:35:01 I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
03:35:03 >> AND JOHN I AM CALLING YOU OUT
03:35:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM
03:35:18 NUMBER 9?
03:35:31 DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
03:35:33 >> HELLO.
03:35:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:35:41 >> MY NAME IS LOX DEVOID.
03:35:43 I HAVE A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES IN THE CITY LIMITS OF TAMPA
03:35:47 SO I AM WELL FAMILIAR WITH BE THE WATER RATES.
03:35:50 I ACTUALLY LIVE IN VALRICO.
03:35:54 LUCKY ENOUGH TO LIVE ON THE ALAFIA RIVER.
03:35:56 A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
03:35:58 RECENTLY ON MY PROPERTY, I'M ACROSS THE STREET FROM A
03:36:04 WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER, OR RECLAIMED WATER FACILITY
03:36:10 ON LITHIA PINECREST ROAD.
03:36:12 THEY RECENTLY HAD A PIPE BURST AND IT FLOWED ONTO MY
03:36:16 PROPERTY, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT WATER SMELLED VERY
03:36:19 MUCH OF FECAL MATERIAL.
03:36:23 WHEN IT STAT AND WHEREVER IT STAT ON THE GROUND IT
03:36:27 CREATED A BROWN, ORANGE BACTERIAL SCUM, LARGE BLOOM OF
03:36:31 BACTERIA, AND ALSO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF SOAP FOAM ON
03:36:38 THAT WATER WHEN IT FLOWED ANYWHERE.
03:36:40 WHEN THE COUNTY ENGINEER CAME OUT, AND THEY REPAIRED THE
03:36:43 LINE, I THOUGHT FOR SURE IT WAS SEWAGE.
03:36:47 AND I ASKED HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND HE ACTUALLY SHOWED ME
03:36:49 THE LINE THAT HE REPAIRED.
03:36:51 ITSELF WAS THE BLUE LINE, THE RECLAIMED WATER LINE.
03:36:54 IT WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
03:36:56 SO I KNOW WE HAVE ALL BEEN BY THE GOLF COURSES AND
03:36:58 SMELLED THE SMELLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
03:37:02 CLEARLY, WHEN THIS PLAN CAME OUT, IT WAS A HUGE CONCERN
03:37:07 FOR ME FOR PERSONAL REASONS, BUB I ALSO HAVE TO SAY I AM
03:37:11 NOT AN ENGINEER BUT I DO HAVE -- I WAS A PRINCIPAL IN A
03:37:16 COMPANY THAT WORKED TO CLEAN UP 17 BIOLOGICALLY DEAD
03:37:20 BODIES OF WATER IN EASTERN EUROPE, LEFT OVER FROM THE
03:37:22 RUSSIAN MILITARY.
03:37:24 I ALSO WORKED FOR MANY YEARS FOR FORTUNE 100 COMPANY AS A
03:37:29 SENIOR ANALYST AND MANAGER OF ANALYTICS.
03:37:32 I HAVE WRITTEN MANY, MANY REPORTS, MANY, MANY COST
03:37:35 BENEFIT ANALYSES, AND I CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE REPORT
03:37:40 WHEN THE FIX IS IN.
03:37:41 IF I LEARNED ANYTHING IN ALL THAT TIME, I LEARNED TO
03:37:45 RECOGNIZE WHEN ONE SOLUTION HAD BEEN PRIORITIZED, NOT
03:37:50 NECESSARILY FOR REASONS OF DATA ABOVE OTHER POTENTIAL
03:37:55 SOLUTIONS, AND THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE IN THIS.
03:37:58 I AM VERY CONCERNED.
03:38:01 I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROCESSING THE WATER FURTHER.
03:38:03 IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING ISSUES LIKE LIFE ESTATES
03:38:07 AND PHARMACEUTICALS THAT ARE IN THE WATER, THAT ARE OFTEN
03:38:11 NOT TESTED FOR NOW, BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED WHEN I LOOK
03:38:16 AT THE REPORT ITSELF, THE THING I AM MOST CONCERNED WITH,
03:38:21 BECAUSE IN ALL OF THOSE YEARS THAT I SPENT AS A SENIOR
03:38:25 ANALYST, WHEN WE DID COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, THE OTHER
03:38:28 PART OF THAT ANALYSIS IS CALLED AN OPPORTUNITY AND RISK
03:38:32 ANALYSIS, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN WITH THESE CONSULTANTS, I
03:38:37 HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING LIKE A RISK ANALYSIS.
03:38:39 WHEN I LOOK AT THE RISK OR THINK ABOUT THE RISK OF
03:38:42 SPRAYING THIS WATER ONTO GOLF COURSES, THAT'S A VERY,
03:38:45 VERY LOW RISK.
03:38:46 [BELL SOUNDS]
03:38:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:38:49 >> BUT THERE IS EXTREME RISK TO PUTTING THE WATER INTO
03:38:52 THE AQUIFER.
03:38:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
03:38:54 >> THANK YOU.
03:38:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:39:04 ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
03:39:05 >> HELLO?
03:39:09 HI.
03:39:10 MY NAME IS REBECCA.
03:39:14 I AM A ENTREPRENEUR.
03:39:16 FURTHERMORE, I HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN SUSTAINABILITY BUILT
03:39:18 CHIEF ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT IN ARIZONA WHOSE LIFE'S
03:39:25 WORK IS BUILDING ECOVILLAGES, SPECIALTY IS BUILDING
03:39:28 NATURAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES, UTILIZING A
03:39:33 SERIES OF POOLS OF ALGAE AND BACTERIA, PLANTS, DOING IT
03:39:37 THE WAY NATURE HAS DONE IT FOR MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS
03:39:42 OF YEAR.
03:39:43 THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER IS A NATURAL TREASURE ON PAR TO THE
03:39:48 GRAND CANYON, THOUGH MORE HUMBLY, SHE CAN ONLY BE SEEN BY
03:39:52 MOST WHERE SHE BURST FORTH FROM THE GROUND IN OUR NATURAL
03:39:57 SPRINGS SUCH AS WEEKI WACHEE, RAINBOW RIVER, LITHIA
03:40:01 SPRINGS, OR OUR OWN LOCAL SPRINGS.
03:40:05 THESE ARE PLACES WHERE PURE, CLEAN, DRINKABLE WATER HE
03:40:08 MERGES FROM THE GROUND.
03:40:09 CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMETHING SO GLORIOUS?
03:40:13 IT FEELS AS IF IT'S MAGIC BUT IT'S ACTUALLY AN ANCIENT
03:40:18 NATURAL PROCESS DESIGNED BY NATURE IN WHICH PLANTS,
03:40:21 BACTERIA, SAND, SOIL AND LIMESTONE ACT AS FILTERS TO
03:40:25 PURIFY THE WATER MAKING IT DRINKABLE AND POTABLE TO ALL,
03:40:31 HUMANS, PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
03:40:32 BEFORE YOU PROPOSE TO ADULTERATE THIS NATIONAL TREASURER
03:40:37 OF OURS, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, WOULD YOU FEED THIS
03:40:41 WATER TO A NEWBORN BABY?
03:40:44 WOULD YOU FEED THIS WATER TO YOUR CHILD?
03:40:46 WOULD YOU FEED THIS WATER TO YOUR DOG?
03:40:49 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU PROPOSING
03:40:52 THIS TO DRINK A FULL ON-CAMERA FULL PINT GLASS OF THIS
03:40:57 WATER BEFORE YOU PROPOSE TO PUMP IT INTO OUR NATURAL
03:41:02 TREASURE, THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER.
03:41:04 BY THE WAY, NEW ORLEANS, WHICH IS REFERENCED EARLIER AS
03:41:07 DRINKING POTTY WATER, HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF
03:41:09 COLON CANCER IN THE WORLD.
03:41:12 CAN YOU STAND HERE AND TELL ME THAT BEARS NO RELATION SH?
03:41:16 THANK YOU.
03:41:16 THAT'S ALL FOR TODAY BUT WE WILL BE BACK.
03:41:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
03:41:24 ANYONE ELSE?
03:41:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:41:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN RECOGNIZED.
03:41:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LADY CALLED ME OUT.
03:41:32 I NOTICE WHENEVER I GET CALLED OUT, THAT'S WHY MY WIFE
03:41:37 DID THAT COMMERCIAL.
03:41:38 DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?
03:41:39 IT'S LIKE, "IT'S DINGFELDER."
03:41:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REMEMBER MY FATHER STILL CALLS YOU
03:41:46 DANGERFIELD.
03:41:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC
03:41:49 COMMENT?
03:41:58 IF ANY ONE OF MY AIDES CAN RUN DOWN AND MAKE SURE THERE'S
03:42:04 NOBODY ELSE DOWN THERE SO WE CAN BRING THIS IN FOR A
03:42:08 LANDING.
03:42:09 >> THERE'S NOBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:42:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:42:25 WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING.
03:42:28 IT'S LATE.
03:42:28 AND WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE ITEMS BEFORE 4:00.
03:42:31 IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO PRESENT FOR THE PURE PROJECT TO
03:42:40 MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THE QUESTIONS.
03:42:42 >>BRAD BAIRD: I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR ALL THE TIME
03:42:45 THAT YOU SPENT.
03:42:46 WE APPRECIATE IT.
03:42:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
03:42:53 ALL RIGHT.
03:42:59 ITEM NUMBER 7.
03:43:12 MR. MORRISON.
03:43:12 >>BRIAN MORRISON: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
03:43:17 I AM HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 7, WHICH IS TO DEFINE OUR
03:43:21 WORKFORCE WORKERS, ESSENTIAL WORKERS, AND AFFORDABLE --
03:43:26 AS RELATES TO THE LAW AND TO THE CITY OF TAMPA HOUSING
03:43:29 PROGRAMS.
03:43:37 I WOULD LIKE TO RUN THROUGH THE CRITERIA THAT THE CITY
03:43:40 AND STATE GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USE FOR
03:43:43 ELIGIBILITY IN THEIR VARIOUS HOUSING PROMISE AND THAT IS
03:43:46 BY LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL OR HOUSEHOLD INCOME, AND IT IS A
03:43:50 PERCENTAGE OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
03:43:59 THEY WILL BREAK IT DOWN WITH INTO THE VARIOUS BANDS WITH
03:44:02 THAN THE 80% OF THE AREA INCOME BAND WHICH IS WHAT THE
03:44:06 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT CALLS
03:44:08 LOW INCOME.
03:44:10 LOW INCOME OR LOWER ARE THE INCOME RANGES THAT ARE
03:44:15 ELIGIBLE FOR THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PROGRAMS.
03:44:20 ALMOST ALL FEDERAL PROGRAMS REQUIRE LOW OR LOWER INCOME,
03:44:24 AND MANY OF THE STATE PROGRAMS DO AS WELL.
03:44:27 AND THAT TAKES ME INTO THE DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE
03:44:30 HOUSING.
03:44:34 WE DO HAVE A STATUTE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
03:44:36 DEFINES WORKFORCE HOUSING AS HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE
03:44:39 TO THOSE AT LOW INCOME OR BELOW.
03:44:43 NOW, AFFORDABILITY WOULD BE THE NEXT TERM TO LOOK INTO
03:44:46 AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE INCOME THAT
03:44:49 IS DEDICATED TO HOUSING.
03:44:52 FOR HOUSING TO BE AFFORDABLE, IT MUST BE NO MORE THAN 30%
03:44:56 OF THE INCOME, INCLUDING NOT JUST THE RENT OR THE
03:45:01 MORTGAGE PAYMENTS BUT THE TAXES AND THE INCOME.
03:45:04 30% AT THE INCOME RANGE LOOKING INTO MAKING HOUSING
03:45:10 AFFORDABLE FOR.
03:45:11 FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD
03:45:14 BE HOUSING WHERE THE MONTHLY RENT OR MORTGAGE TOGETHER
03:45:17 WITH COSTS WOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 30% OF SOMEONE MAKING
03:45:23 80% OR LESS OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
03:45:26 AND THAT IS ALSO DEFINED IN STATUTE BY FLORIDA LAW.
03:45:31 THEN MOVING ONTO ESSENTIAL WORKER IT'S A LITTLE
03:45:34 DIFFERENT.
03:45:34 THIS IS NOT GENERALLY A TERM USED IN THE HOUSING, AND WE
03:45:38 DON'T USE IT IN THE CITY, AND I WAS UNABLE TO FIND
03:45:41 FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT USE IT EITHER.
03:45:43 BUT WE DO HAVE FEDERAL GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE TERM MEANS,
03:45:46 WHICH COMES FROM THE CDC.
03:45:48 NOW THEY USE THE TERM ESSENTIAL WORKER AS IT RELATES TO
03:45:51 THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
03:45:54 AND AS SUCH, THEY DO NOT LOOK AT INCOME TO BASE THIS ON
03:45:58 BUT RATHER INDUSTRY SECTORS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE
03:46:02 IS A WIDE RANGE OF PROFESSIONS THAT CAN QUALIFY.
03:46:06 SOME THAT YOU WOULD THINK FOR KEEPING THINGS RUNNING LIKE
03:46:09 FOOD PRODUCTION, DELIVERY, BUT ALSO DOCTORS, NURSES, JUST
03:46:16 ABOUT ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIAL TO
03:46:18 KEEP THE ECONOMY RUNNING DURING A PANDEMIC.
03:46:22 NOW, THIS IS AN INTERIM LIST THAT THEY PUBLISHED, AND I
03:46:26 THINK THE UNDERSTANDING HERE IS THE NEXT DISASTER THAT WE
03:46:30 FACE, HOPEFULLY A LONG TIME FROM NOW, MAY NOT BE BASED ON
03:46:34 CONTAGION OR DISEASE.
03:46:35 IT COULD BE SOME OTHER EFFECT.
03:46:38 AND IN THAT CASE, IS ESSENTIAL TO KEEPING OUR SOCIETY
03:46:42 RUNNING.
03:46:43 IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT SET OF INDUSTRY SECTORS.
03:46:48 AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT SOMETIMES
03:46:52 PRIVATE DEVELOPERS MAY COME IN AND REPRESENT THE COUNCIL
03:46:56 THAT THEY ARE MAKING AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT I
03:46:59 THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT IN THE PRIVATE
03:47:03 SECTOR, THOSE TERMS AREN'T BINDING AS THEY ARE WHEN THEY
03:47:08 ARE USED BY GOVERNMENTS.
03:47:09 SO WHEN A PRIVATE DEVELOPER CALLS SOMETHING AFFORDABLE
03:47:12 WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT ACTUALLY
03:47:15 LINES UP WITH HUD OR STATE REGULATIONS AS TO WHAT
03:47:19 AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING CAN MEAN.
03:47:22 AND FOR THIS BODY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU WANT TO
03:47:26 MAKE SURE THAT A DEVELOPER REPRESENTING THIS TO YOU IS
03:47:30 RESERVING CERTAIN UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE, WE HAVE TO
03:47:34 CONSIDER IS HOW WE CAN GET AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY
03:47:37 AND THAT DEVELOPER TO ESTABLISH THOSE UNITS.
03:47:42 NOW, WHAT MAY ENTICE THEM TO ENTER INTO SUCH AN AGREEMENT
03:47:46 COULD VARY WHETHER YOU ARE GIVING CERTAIN EXTRA
03:47:49 CONSIDERATIONS, PERHAPS SOME FUNDING IF WE HAVE IT
03:47:52 AVAILABLE FOR THOSE UNITS, THROUGH A STATE OR FEDERAL
03:47:55 PROGRAM, OR SOME OTHER MEANS BY WHICH THE CITY COULD GET
03:47:59 THE DEVELOPER TO ENTER INTO A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT THAT
03:48:02 THEY WOULD RESERVE THESE AFFORDABILITY UNITS, AND THEN
03:48:06 ONCE IT'S IN WRITING THEN IT BECOMES ENFORCEABLE.
03:48:10 AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:48:12 AND I BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE SOME STAFF.
03:48:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
03:48:16 I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.
03:48:18 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
03:48:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
03:48:23 THIS ISSUE IN FRONT OF US.
03:48:25 I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
03:48:29 THESE TERMS GET THROWN AROUND, AND SOMETIMES ABUSED
03:48:32 ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF REZONINGS.
03:48:37 AND ANOTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT MATTERS.
03:48:41 BRIAN, WAS THINKING AS YOU SAID THIS THAT PERHAPS WE CAN
03:48:45 BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE ONE ALREADY,
03:48:50 IS MAYBE LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAN DEVELOP SORT OF A TEMPLATE,
03:48:54 SOME KIND OF TEMPLATE AGREEMENT IN ADVANCE, AND THEN THAT
03:48:58 WAY, WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN FRONT OF US WITH A
03:49:02 REZONING AND USES THOSE TERMS, WE CAN SAY, WELL, HERE IS
03:49:06 OUR TEMPLATE, ARE YOU PREPARED TO ENTER INTO THIS, OR A
03:49:10 SIMILAR TYPE OF AGREEMENT?
03:49:12 THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH THE CITY?
03:49:15 AND THEN THAT WAY, IT DOESN'T DELAY ANYTHING, AND IT'S
03:49:18 KIND OF LIKE THIS IS OUR -- SORT OF SEND A MESSAGE THAT
03:49:22 THIS WOULD BE OUR EXPECTATION.
03:49:23 SO, ANYWAY, THROW THAT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SEE WHAT
03:49:27 YOU THINK.
03:49:28 >>BRIAN MORRISON: I WILL DO THAT, SIR.
03:49:30 THANK YOU.
03:49:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BRIAN, YOU GAVE US SOME ANSWERS.
03:49:37 AND CLARIFIED SOME THINGS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
03:49:42 AS MR. DINGFELDER SAID, AND LIKE I HAVE BEEN SAYING, WHEN
03:49:45 PEOPLE COME SEE US IN OUR OFFICE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
03:49:52 YOU DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
03:49:54 YOU HAVE SOME HOUSING.
03:49:56 AND FOR MR. CHARLIE MIRANDA, OR MR. VIERA, IT MIGHT BE IN
03:50:03 HIS CATEGORY.
03:50:05 SO I THINK WE MIGHT FIND A WAY TO MAKE A POLICY WHILE YOU
03:50:11 ARE HERE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY, TO HAVE A COPY OF SOME
03:50:14 INFORMATION I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IN HOUSING, GOOD
03:50:21 FRIEND OF MAIN, OTHER PLAYS, AND GAVE ME ABOUT SIX
03:50:27 DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS ON HOW SIFT SECTOR DEVELOPERS CAN
03:50:32 HELP IN THE HOUSING MARKET.
03:50:40 I GOT SOME INFORMATION FOUR, AND I WANT YOU TO HEAR ABOUT
03:50:43 THESE SIX DIFFERENT POINTS THAT COULD REALLY HELP WITH
03:50:47 PRIVATE DEVELOPERS DEALING WITH A CRISIS, BECAUSE THEIR
03:50:53 MAIN INTEREST IS TO MAKE MONEY, BUT ALSO THEY DO WANT TO
03:50:59 HAVE A NICE PLACE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO LIVE, WHETHER IT
03:51:03 BE LUXURY OR BE A PLACE THAT SOMEONE CAN LATER -- BUT
03:51:09 THEY DO HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT HOW THIS CITY, WHEN YOU
03:51:11 TALK ABOUT MAYBE TAX ABATEMENT OR THINGS LIKE THAT, TO
03:51:16 WHERE THEY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO IT BUT HOW DO
03:51:22 I GET THIS EXTRA SUBSIDY TO REALLY DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING
03:51:26 WHICH I CALL AFFORDABLE.
03:51:30 MAYBE MR. DINGFELDER SAYS THAT'S AFFORDABLE.
03:51:33 SO I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS HERE THAT I AM GOING TO HAVE
03:51:36 SOMEBODY GIVE YOU A COPY OF, AND THAT WAY YOU CAN GET IT
03:51:39 TO THE -- I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY.
03:51:42 I TRUST YOU.
03:51:43 YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO TELL ME TO DO, WHICH
03:51:46 COULD BRING ANSWERS BACK TO ME.
03:51:47 BUT ALSO ON AFFORDABLE HOUSE.
03:51:52 GENTLEMEN, DID YOU KNOW THE CLERK SEND OUR REAL ESTATE
03:51:54 DEPARTMENT NOTICES WHEN A HOUSE HAS CITY LIENS ON IT?
03:52:06 YES.
03:52:06 THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT GETS A LETTER FROM THE -- MS.
03:52:14 STATE-OF-THE-ART'S OFFICE, AND THEY HAVE THESE OPTIONS SO
03:52:18 MY QUESTION, WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AFTER THESE HOUSES THAT
03:52:24 BECOME DILAPIDATED IN THESE COMMUNITIES?
03:52:29 HAVE THE CRA BUY THEM UP OR THE CITY, AND REHAB THESE
03:52:35 HOUSES, AND HELP WITH SOME OF THESE CRISES SITUATIONS.
03:52:42 SO AGAIN YOU ARE HERE.
03:52:44 I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE YOU ARE
03:52:46 LISTENING, SO LOOK AND SEE WHY WE ARE NOT DOING THAT.
03:52:49 I UNDERSTAND IT COULD BE A STAFFING PROBLEM.
03:52:50 BUT I KNOW WE ARE UNDERSTAFFED IN A LOT OF THESE
03:52:53 DEPARTMENTS.
03:52:53 BUT AGAIN WE HAVE TO START LIKE WE TALKED THIS MORNING
03:52:56 BUILDING A SPECIAL TEAM TO GO AFTER SOME OF THESE, TO
03:53:01 HELP OUR CITIZENS.
03:53:05 SO WHEN I WAS TOLD ABOUT THIS AND I SAW THIS, AND I
03:53:08 DIDN'T CALL MS. STEWART YET, BUT I WILL BE CALLING YOU,
03:53:12 BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THE LETTER THAT SHE SENDS OUT TO
03:53:16 MUNICIPALITIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS
03:53:21 ON THEIR PROPERTY ASSOCIATION MY QUESTION, IF THE
03:53:25 PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN AWARDED, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE
03:53:30 BEEN MAKING THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, ACTUALLY
03:53:32 BRINGING IN, IN REFERENCE THOSE LIENS?
03:53:38 AND WHY ARE WE NOT TRYING TO HAVE OUR DEPARTMENT BUILD ON
03:53:43 THESE HOUSES OR THESE LOTS?
03:53:49 AND WE THAT INTO OUR HOUSING STOCK THAT WE START GOING
03:53:52 OUT AGAIN, AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, MR. VIERA, AND HAVE
03:53:56 A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN HAVE THE JAILS AND THESE PLACES DO
03:53:59 SOME TRAINING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THIS REHAB, AND LOOK
03:54:02 AT OTHER NEEDS, OR MAKING THINGS WORK?
03:54:05 LIKE MR. MIRANDA JUST SAID, WAS IT 100 FEET, MR. MIRANDA,
03:54:10 TO THROW SOME MUD, WOULD COST $9,000.
03:54:14 $9 THAT YOU TO PUT A SIDEWALK FROM HERE TO THERE.
03:54:18 HUH?
03:54:19 THAT'S CRAZY.
03:54:25 I'M A BUSINESSMAN.
03:54:34 YOU WATCH YOUR MONEY.
03:54:35 WE HAVE TO WATCH OUR MONEY.
03:54:37 WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOME THINGS TO WATCH OUR MONEY.
03:54:41 TO BE ABLE TO DO OTHER PROJECTS.
03:54:43 SO IF YOU WILL GET ME SOME INFORMATION, BRIAN, AND COME
03:54:47 BACK TO THIS BODY WITH WHAT I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU AND
03:54:50 ALSO ABOUT THESE TAX LIENS, IT WOULD BE MOST
03:54:56 APPRECIATIVE.
03:54:57 YOU GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.
03:55:00 A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS.
03:55:03 THAT'S WHY I ASKED, TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS.
03:55:05 SO ANYBODY -- BUT AS DEFINED IS BASICALLY ANYBODY WITH
03:55:14 CENTRAL NEEDS DURING A CRISIS.
03:55:18 I THINK MR. DINGFELDER IS RIGHT.
03:55:20 THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVING A POLICY WITH AFFORDABILITY THAT
03:55:29 PEOPLE COME TO OUR OFFICE, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A POLICY
03:55:33 TO SAY, NO, THAT DOESN'T FALL INTO OUR GUIDELINES.
03:55:36 IT NEED TO FALL INTO OUR GUIDELINES.
03:55:39 I THINK WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING, PUT A SYSTEM IN
03:55:44 PLACE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.
03:55:47 SO IF YOU CAN COME BACK TO US SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
03:55:52 I KNOW YOU ARE A BUSY GUY.
03:55:54 I LIKE THE WAY YOU WORK.
03:55:55 YOU GIVE GOOD ANSWERS.
03:55:56 AND YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THINGS
03:56:00 HAPPEN FOR THE CITIZENS.
03:56:02 YOU WERE A GREAT HIRE.
03:56:03 >>BRIAN MORRISON: I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:56:07 IT'S VERY NICE.
03:56:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAKE SURE THE CLERK GETS A COPY OF THIS
03:56:11 AND MAKE SURE WE GET A COPY.
03:56:17 ALL RIGHT.
03:56:19 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
03:56:22 ITEM NUMBER 8.
03:56:23 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
03:56:38 COUNCIL MEMBERS, ITEM NUMBER 8 IS A REPORT IN RESPONSE TO
03:56:43 YOUR MOTION BACK ON APRIL 15th IN WHICH YOU REQUESTED
03:56:46 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THE NEW ZONING
03:56:49 ORDINANCE FROM THE CITY OF CHICAGO THAT ADDRESSED
03:56:54 ANTI-CONVERSION, ANTI-DISPLACEMENT AND LOOK AT OTHER
03:56:57 CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO
03:56:59 MITIGATE DISPLACEMENT THAT SOMETIMES OCCURS ALONG WITH
03:57:03 GENTRIFICATION.
03:57:05 SO I DID SUBMIT TO YOU A STAFF REPORT ON THAT.
03:57:08 WE LOOKED AT THE CHICAGO ORDINANCE.
03:57:11 CHICAGO ORDINANCE WAS CONCERNED WITH WHAT WAS OCCURRING
03:57:15 IN TERMS OF DISPLACEMENT THERE IN CHICAGO, WHICH WAS A
03:57:18 LOSS OF DENSITY.
03:57:20 SO THE ISSUE THAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING IN CHICAGO WITH
03:57:24 DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND TAKING SMALL UNIT APARTMENT
03:57:28 BUILDINGS, TWO AND THREE-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND
03:57:31 CONVERTING THEM SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS OR REDUCING THE
03:57:34 NUMBER OF UNITS IN THAT BUILDING.
03:57:37 THEIR CONCERN WAS WITH MAINTAINING THE DENSITY IN THESE
03:57:40 TWO SPECIFIC AREAS.
03:57:42 AS DETAILED IN MY STAFF REPORT, CHICAGO ALSO UNDERTOOK
03:57:46 AND IS TRYING OUT A SURCHARGE TAX FOR DEMOLITION, SO THE
03:57:50 DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND EITHER DEMOLISHING A
03:57:53 SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OR DEMOLISHING A SMALL UNIT APARTMENT
03:57:57 BUILDING, DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY $5,000 PER UNIT IF THERE
03:58:02 ARE THREE OR MORE UNITS IN THE BUILDING, AND IF IT'S A
03:58:04 SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, THEN IT'S $15,000.
03:58:09 THAT TAX IS CURRENTLY SUBJECT OF A LAWSUIT.
03:58:12 THE LAWSUIT WAS FILED IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ORDINANCE
03:58:14 IMPOSING THAT SURCHARGE TAX WAS ADOPTED.
03:58:19 SO NONE OF THESE ATTEMPTS AT MITIGATING DISPLACEMENT HAVE
03:58:24 REALLY BEEN IN PLACE LONG ENOUGH TO DETERMINE WHAT EFFECT
03:58:26 THEY ARE HAVING, IF THEY ARE ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF
03:58:29 DISPLACEMENT THAT YOU HAVE THAT CHICAGO IS EXPERIENCING.
03:58:35 THE REPORT DOES ALSO DETAIL OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE
03:58:37 COUNTRY THAT I TOOK A LOOK AT.
03:58:40 CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA, ATLANTA, AUSTIN, TEXAS,
03:58:44 PORTLAND, GONE, THAT HAVE TRIED OTHER DIFFERENT METHODS
03:58:48 TO ADDRESS DISPLACEMENT THAT'S OCCURRING IN THEIR CITIES.
03:58:53 FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THEM HAVE ADOPTED A PREFERENCE
03:58:56 POLICY THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTS IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD
03:58:59 THAT IS INTERNING GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT TO
03:59:03 EITHER REMAIN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR HAVE FIRST CHOICE OF
03:59:06 PREFERENCE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE
03:59:09 NEIGHBORHOOD.
03:59:10 OTHERS HAVE USED -- ATLANTA IS USING A HOUSING TRUST FUND
03:59:14 IN ORDER TO ASSIST RESIDENTS IN AN AREA OF GENTRIFYING
03:59:19 WHERE PROPERTY TAX RATES ARE RAISING TO UTILIZE FUND TO
03:59:23 ASSIST THE RESIDENTS IN PAYING THEIR TAX BILL SO THEY ARE
03:59:26 NOT DISPLACED BECAUSE OF UNPAID TAXES.
03:59:31 AND THE SURVEY THAT I PICKED UP REALLY REVEALED IS FIRST
03:59:36 OF ALL, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER
03:59:40 GENTRIFICATION IS OCCURRING -- I'M SORRY, WHETHER
03:59:43 DISPLACEMENT OCCURRING BECAUSE DISPLACEMENT DOESN'T
03:59:46 ALWAYS FOLLOW THE GENTRIFICATION OCCURS, BUT IF IT'S
03:59:49 OCCURRING, IT'S DETERMINED WHERE, WHAT SPECIFIC
03:59:52 NEIGHBORHOODS, DETERMINED HOW IT'S OCCURRING, IN ORDER TO
03:59:54 FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS IT AND HOW TO MITIGATE FOR THE.
03:59:58 SO THAT WAS REALLY THE KIND OF OVERARCHING RESULT AND THE
04:00:04 LESSONS THAT I GLEANED FROM THE SURVEY.
04:00:07 I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ON THE
04:00:10 REPORT.
04:00:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON?
04:00:15 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
04:00:18 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THIS.
04:00:19 I WOULD LOVE TO DIG DEEPER INTO THIS AT SOME POINT.
04:00:22 AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE BIGGEST DISPLACEMENT THAT'S
04:00:24 HAPPENED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS WAS NORTH BOULEVARD HOMES,
04:00:27 AND THAT WAS TWO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES INCLUDING THE CITY
04:00:30 OF TAMPA.
04:00:31 AND THAT WAS A THOUSAND FAMILIES THAT GOT DISPLACED.
04:00:35 AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I RAN FOR OFFICE WAS
04:00:38 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DON THAT KIND OF THING AGAIN.
04:00:41 THE OTHER CITIES THAT I HAVE BEEN TO ON THE CHAMBER
04:00:44 BENCHMARKING TRIP WE SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BUILT,
04:00:48 BUT THEY BUILD NEW STOCK AND THEN TEAR DOWN OLD AS TO BE
04:00:50 STOCK.
04:00:53 BUT WE DIDN'T BUILD ANYTHING TO REPLACE IT.
04:00:56 AS A RESULT, THERE'S A BIG ARGUMENT ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
04:00:58 BUT THE NUMBERS I SAW WAR 70% OF THE PEOPLE LEFT THE CITY
04:01:02 SO THAT EXACERBATES THE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEM OR THE
04:01:04 SCHOOL ISSUES AND CREATES CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY IN
04:01:07 PLACES LIKE BRANDON AND THE USF AREA.
04:01:09 SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT THE
04:01:13 SOCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T ALLOW
04:01:17 GOVERNMENT AGENCIES OR GOVERNMENT PARTNERS TO DO THAT
04:01:19 AGAIN.
04:01:19 THANK YOU.
04:01:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. VELEZ, THANK YOU.
04:01:24 WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE PERFECT
04:01:28 FIXES AT THE TIME.
04:01:29 BUT I DON'T 2021 SAY WHAT WE CAN'T DO, BUT WHAT WE CAN
04:01:33 DO.
04:01:33 WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS IN THE CITY ABOUT
04:01:36 GENTRIFICATION.
04:01:38 I KNOW THAT'S WHY I KEEP SAYING WE HAVE GOT TO BUILD A
04:01:43 SPECIAL TEAM AROUND SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS.
04:01:45 THAT'S WHY I AM FIGHTING SO HARD TO GET HOUSING FOR MORE
04:01:49 PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT, WE NEED A SPECIALIZED TEAM TO
04:01:57 HAMMER SOME OF THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO
04:01:59 DO A LOT OF THIS WORK.
04:02:01 BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE
04:02:03 NUMBERS, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE STOP
04:02:09 THE LUXURIES FROM COMING INTO THESE COMMUNITIES.
04:02:14 THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
04:02:17 WE NEED DENSITY.
04:02:18 WE NEED AFFORDABILITY WITH DENSITY ON THOSE MAJOR
04:02:22 CORRIDORS.
04:02:23 NEBRASKA, FLORIDA AVENUE, 15th STREET, 40th
04:02:28 STREET, THOSE ARE MAJOR CORRIDORS, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
04:02:32 CITY.
04:02:35 DENSITY IS GOOD FOR THOSE AREAS.
04:02:38 BUT LUXURY APARTMENTS, GOOD APARTMENTS, DECENT CONDOS.
04:02:48 BUT DECENT LIVING THAT'S AFFORDABLE.
04:02:52 LOOK AT SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU MAY SEE, I AM GOING TO
04:02:56 SUBMIT SOME IDEAS REFERENCE TO REHABBING AND DO SOME
04:03:01 OTHER THINGS WITH DEVELOPERS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO
04:03:04 ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THIS STUFF, BUT TO HAVE A PLAN TO MAKE
04:03:06 SURE WE ARE NOT GENTRIFYING OR JUST TAKING A COMMUNITY,
04:03:10 TOTALLY TRANSFORMING IT TO WHERE IT'S JUST IN A MARKET
04:03:13 THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T LIVE IN IT.
04:03:15 TALK ABOUT SOME PLACES, PROPERTY TAXES.
04:03:20 MY HOUSE WAS ONLY VALUED AT $9,000, IT DOESN'T INCREASE
04:03:27 THAT FAST, BUT OVER TIME IT WILL GO UP.
04:03:30 SO I THINK LOOKING AT A PLAN, FOR THE FUTURE, THAT WAY
04:03:35 PEOPLE WON'T SAY WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
04:03:37 SO IT DOES TAKE TIME, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A
04:03:40 TEAM TO START LOOKING TO BUILD THOSE BENCHMARKS SO WE CAN
04:03:44 BE READY TO BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE
04:03:49 CITY.
04:03:52 THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
04:03:53 I SEE ABBYE IS WRITING DOWN.
04:03:55 BUT AGAIN, I THINK MOST OF THIS COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT
04:04:01 THE PRIMARY GOAL HAS TO BE, AND HAS TO BE A HOUSING PLAN
04:04:05 BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CRISIS FOR THE COMING.
04:04:09 WE HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT.
04:04:11 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:04:14 MR. VIERA, DID I SEE YOUR HAND?
04:04:16 MR. DINGFELDER FIRST.
04:04:17 >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER IF I MAY.
04:04:21 I THINK WE ALSO HAVE A MORATORIUM.
04:04:24 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE 5:00, WHENEVER.
04:04:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OH, YES.
04:04:32 THIS IS THE LAST ONE WE HAVE.
04:04:34 WE ARE CLOSING DOWN.
04:04:39 RELAX.
04:04:39 I GOT YOU.
04:04:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARD TO ITEM 8 AND
04:04:45 HOUSING AND GENTRY FAKES, CLEARLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST
04:04:50 CHALLENGES FACING US AS A CITY, AND AS A COUNTY, AND AS A
04:04:55 COMMUNITY, IS HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
04:05:00 ONE THING I DON'T -- WHEN IT COMES TO THE GENTRIFICATION
04:05:03 ISSUE, ONE THING I DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH BASED UPON
04:05:06 WHAT I HAVE READ, AND MY PEN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, IS I
04:05:10 THINK THAT HOME OWNERSHIP IS A FANTASTIC THING FOR FOLKS
04:05:18 WHO HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO OWN THEIR OWN HOME.
04:05:20 AND IF THEY OWN THEIR OWN HOME IN AN AREA WHERE THE
04:05:24 PROPERTY VALUES ARE RISING, THEN THEIR PROPERTY IS
04:05:28 RISING, THEIR FAMILY'S NET WORTH IS INCREASING, AND I
04:05:32 THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE THING FOR EVERYBODY.
04:05:35 YOU CAN BORROW AGAINST YOUR HOUSE, SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO
04:05:38 COLLEGE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
04:05:40 OR YOU CAN SELL YOUR HOUSE AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND
04:05:43 YOUR HOUSE IS PROBABLY QUADRUPLED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
04:05:46 YEARS.
04:05:47 SO I THINK THAT THAT PART OF GENTRIFICATION IS A POSITIVE
04:05:51 THING, BUT ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES, THE STATE OF
04:05:55 FLORIDA, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, HAS LIMITED TAX INCREASES
04:05:59 TO 3% PER YEAR FOR HOUSEHOLD.
04:06:02 SO AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GIVE UP THAT HOMESTEAD, YOU ARE
04:06:06 PROTECTED, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO INCREASE 3% NO MATTER
04:06:10 HOW BIG THAT HOUSE IS NEXT DOOR.
04:06:12 AND WE ALL KNOW THAT I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.
04:06:16 BUT THE ONE THING THAT WE DO HAVE TO FOCUS ON IS RENTAL
04:06:21 HOUSING AND RENTAL PRICES, BECAUSE IN CERTAIN PARTS OF
04:06:25 TOWN WHERE FOLKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LIVE COMFORTABLY LET'S
04:06:30 SAY 5 OR $600 A MONTH FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, SOMETHING
04:06:35 LIKE THAT, I KNOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT $1,000, $1200.
04:06:39 DEFINITELY COULD BE DOUBLED WHAT THEY USED TO PAY.
04:06:42 AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO FORCE PEOPLE OUT.
04:06:49 SO I THINK, YES, IT'S A WONDERFUL FOR THING US TO FOCUS
04:06:53 SOME OF OUR EFFORTS ON GETTING PEOPLE INTO NEW HOMES, AND
04:06:58 HELPING MIDDLE CLASS GET INTO HOMES THAT THEY CAN OWN.
04:07:00 THAT'S A GOOD THING.
04:07:02 BUT I THINK THE REALLY MORE URGENT ISSUE IS FOCUSING OUR
04:07:07 ATTENTION, FOCUSING ON WHAT LITTLE MONEY WE HAVE ON THIS
04:07:11 RENTAL CRISIS.
04:07:13 AND HOW WE DO THAT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
04:07:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, I WOULD AGREE, BECAUSE
04:07:21 I SAID BEFORE, NOT EVERYBODY IS READY TO BE A HOMEOWNER.
04:07:24 EVERYONE IS NOT.
04:07:25 BECAUSE A HOME IS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY F.SOMETHING
04:07:28 BREAKS YOU HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO FIX IT.
04:07:32 SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
04:07:33 BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE, A LOT OF MODERN
04:07:37 CONVENIENCES, IS EDUCATION FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND.
04:07:41 BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, HE CAN'T FIX THAT HOUSE, HAD HE
04:07:48 DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, HE FEELS SELLS THE HOUSE FOR QUICK
04:07:53 CASH AND HE'S GONE.
04:07:54 THAT'S WHY I SAY WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE EXISTING STOCK
04:07:57 THAT WE HAVE, BUT THE EXISTING STOCK WE HAVE TO BE ABLE
04:08:00 TO HELP THOSE FOLKS OUT WITH REHABBING THOSE HOMES, TO BE
04:08:04 STAY IN THOSE HOMES.
04:08:06 THAT'S WHY I AM GLAD MY GOOD FRIEND BRIAN TOLD -- TO BE
04:08:13 ABLE TO HELP IN THAT REHAB PROGRAM AND HE'S GOING TO PASS
04:08:15 THAT ON TO ABBYE BECAUSE THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS
04:08:18 YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES.
04:08:22 YOU CAN'T HAVE A BLOCK OF HOMES WITH A BRAND NEW HOUSE ON
04:08:26 IT BE AND THE REST OF THE STREET LOOKS LIKE GARBAGE.
04:08:29 PERIOD.
04:08:30 SO THAT'S THE BIG FOCUS.
04:08:34 EVEN SOME OF THOSE LANDLORDS WHO ARE STRUGGLING TOO, THEY
04:08:38 LET SOMEBODY THERE JUST TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY TAX BUT
04:08:42 THEY CAN'T FIX IT THEMSELVES.
04:08:44 SO WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A PROCESS FOR THEM AS WELL TO BE
04:08:47 ABLE TO HELP EVERYBODY.
04:08:49 THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS,
04:08:52 SOME DIFFERENT FUNDING.
04:08:58 THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT FUNDING TO HELP SOME OF THESE
04:09:00 PEOPLE.
04:09:01 BECAUSE AGAIN WHEN YOU GET A BRAND NEW SUIT, YOU LOOK
04:09:05 GOOD, YOU SMELL GOOD.
04:09:06 BUT IF I AM DOWN -- THE SAME THING TODAY, I HAVE -- I
04:09:15 THINK MR. CARLSON MENTIONED.
04:09:17 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
04:09:18 >>BILL CARLSON: I YOU WANT TO QUICKLY AMPLIFY WHAT YOU
04:09:21 ARE SAY BEING MANY THINGS BUT IN PARTICULAR ABOUT
04:09:24 INTERVENTION IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
04:09:26 PRIVATE SECTOR HAS EXPERTISE, HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE
04:09:28 ACCESS TO GRANT FUNDING NATIONALLY AND STATE WIDE.
04:09:32 THEY HAVE STAFF SO THEY CAN MOVE QUICKLY, AND ALSO THEY
04:09:35 HAVE INNOVATION.
04:09:36 AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT -- I THINK WE NEED TO THINK
04:09:40 DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU HAVE BIG GOALS AND THE
04:09:42 NUMBER OF HOUSING THAT WE BRING, BUT THEN WE NEED TO
04:09:45 THINK SMALLER ABOUT THEM, THE POCKETS OF CONTRACTS AND
04:09:51 DEALS THAT WE DO AND SPREAD IT OUT.
04:09:53 AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOESN'T ONLY INCLUDE FOR-PROFITS,
04:09:57 IT INCLUDES NON-FOR-PROFITS LIKE HABITAT AND GRACE POINT.
04:10:00 TO MAKE A POINT, SOMEONE I KNEW MOVED INTO GRACE POINTED
04:10:03 A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND I WENT BY THERE, AND THE BRAND NEW
04:10:07 UNIT, BEAUTIFUL FACILITIES, GREAT AMENITIES, BETTER THAN
04:10:10 MOST APARTMENTS, AND IT'S LIKE 650 A MONTH.
04:10:14 AND THEY ARE ABLE TO BRING -- IT'S A NONPROFIT, WORKING
04:10:19 FOR PROFIT, AND THE GOVERNMENT, END THAT BRING IN OTHER
04:10:22 SERVICES TO PROVIDE THINGS LIKE DISHES AND FURNITURE.
04:10:24 AND THE MORE THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE THE LIMITED MONEY AND
04:10:27 STAFF TIME WE HAVE TO LEVERAGE WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS,
04:10:29 AND PUSH FOR INNOVATION AND EQUALITY AND TO SOME EXTENT
04:10:34 COMPETITION, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM
04:10:36 FASTER AND PROVIDE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
04:10:39 THANK YOU.
04:10:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
04:10:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
04:10:44 AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COLLABORATION.
04:10:46 FIRST WOULD LIKE TO THANK THIS COUNCIL ACTING AS THE CRB
04:10:50 FOR PURCHASING THE OLD ARMY NAVY DOWNTOWN TO MAKE SURE
04:10:53 THAT WE HAVE WORKFORCE HOUSING DOWNTOWN.
04:10:56 BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO JOIN FORCES NOT ONLY WITH
04:11:00 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE
04:11:03 TRANSPORTATION SO THAT WE CAN -- (LOST AUDIO) --
04:11:29 [NO ENCODER]
04:11:30 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
04:11:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
04:11:34 MS. VELEZ, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
04:11:36 STELLAR JOB AS USUAL.
04:11:38 KEEP YOUR FOOT ON THE PEDAL AND KEEP THIS THING MOVING,
04:11:41 ALL RIGHT?
04:11:42 THANK YOU.
04:11:42 ALL RIGHT.
04:11:43 THE LAST ITEM OF THE DAY, ITEM NUMBER 10.
04:11:45 >>CAROLE POST: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
04:11:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE SHE IS, CAROLE POST.
04:11:58 >>CAROLE POST: I WANT TO ADDRESS ITEM 10.
04:12:01 I JUST WANT TO REFLECT ON THE HEARING, THE CONVERSATION
04:12:05 YOU JUST HAD ABOUT HOUSING.
04:12:07 AND RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU SUGGESTED
04:12:12 ARE BEING LOOKED INTO AND EXPLORED AND APPRECIATE THE
04:12:17 INPUT ON THAT.
04:12:18 I THINK THERE'S MORE TO COME THERE.
04:12:20 THANK YOU, THOUGH.
04:12:20 ON ITEM NUMBER 10, THIS ITEM IS UP FOR WORKSHOP TODAY.
04:12:25 I KNOW WE ARE VERY TIGHT ON TIME SO WE WILL MOVE THROUGH
04:12:28 THIS RAPIDLY.
04:12:29 THIS IS THE INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE WHICH
04:12:32 HAS BEEN BEFORE CITY COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES, FEBRUARY,
04:12:34 ORIGINALLY INITIATED BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2020.
04:12:38 ON MAY 6, THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED A VERSION OF THE
04:12:42 ORDINANCE, AND AGAIN REFLECTING THE STRICT USE OF THE
04:12:47 F.A.R. PROVISION CITY-WIDE FOR SINGLE USE RESIDENTIAL
04:12:51 DEVELOPMENT AND THREE DESIGNATED LAND USE CATEGORIES.
04:12:54 AT THAT MEETING ON THE 6th, COUNCIL REQUESTED STAFF
04:12:58 TO RETURN TO THIS WORKSHOP AND TO EXPLORE LIMITING THE
04:13:03 APPLICATION OF THAT ORDINANCE BY EXCLUDING PARCELS THAT
04:13:07 ARE LOCATED WITHIN A QUARTER MILE WALKING DISTANCE FROM A
04:13:11 TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDOR.
04:13:13 AND THAT'S DEFINED BY A COMP PLAN THAT WAS NOTED POLICY
04:13:17 5.1.9.
04:13:19 RANDY GOERS WILL GIVE YOU A REALLY QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT
04:13:22 HIS RESEARCH REVEALED ABOUT THAT, A SHORT PRESENTATION.
04:13:26 BEFORE HE DOES, I WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE YOU AND THE
04:13:29 COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE VERY
04:13:32 INTERESTED IN THIS, ON THE PROGRESS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE
04:13:35 PLAN AMENDMENT.
04:13:35 THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION SINCE APRIL 1st RELATIVE TO
04:13:40 THIS MATTER.
04:13:41 WE CALL IT THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, WOULD BE THE
04:13:43 PERMANENT CHANGE TO USE THE F.A.R. IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS,
04:13:47 AND IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
04:13:51 AS THAT PROCESS IS UNDERWAY, IT INCLUDES A LOT OF PUBLIC
04:13:54 INPUT SESSIONS, AND THE CONCEPT OF EXCLUDING
04:14:01 TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS IS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
04:14:05 IT WILL BE AN ACTIVE PART OF THE FINAL ASSESSMENT.
04:14:09 WE BELIEVE IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO ENSURE THAT THE
04:14:11 PERMANENT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS SENSITIVE TO THE
04:14:16 RELATIONSHIP AROUND DENSITY WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO MANAGE
04:14:19 DENSITY VERSUS WHERE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT.
04:14:22 THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS ACTUALLY TRACKING -- IT IS
04:14:27 TARGETED TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR TRANSMITTAL ON
04:14:31 SEPTEMBER 30th.
04:14:32 SO RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
04:14:35 SO THE DISCUSSION TODAY CAN CERTAINLY HELP FURTHER
04:14:40 DIALOGUE ABOUT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND JUST CLARIFYING
04:14:43 FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WILL BE LISTENING IN,
04:14:46 TODAY THERE IS NO ACTION, THERE'S NO VOTE ON THIS MATTER.
04:14:50 THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP ITEM.
04:14:52 SO I WILL TURN IT OVER QUICKLY TO RANDY, LET HIM SHARE
04:14:55 SOME OF HIS IS A ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE PROPOSAL ON THE
04:14:59 TRANSIT CORRIDOR PROXIMITY, AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY
04:15:03 DISCUSSIONS.
04:15:05 >>RANDY GOERS: IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN.
04:15:12 YOU HAVE MY PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN?
04:15:25 I WILL GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY.
04:15:26 THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AT THE
04:15:31 WORKSHOP.
04:15:32 JUST ONE ITEM FOR ORDER, THE MOTION REFERENCE POLICY 5
04:15:42 .1.9 IN THE COMP PLAN.
04:15:45 THE REFERENCE FOR THE CORRIDOR IS ACTUALLY IN THE
04:15:48 PREAMBLE FOR GOAL 6 FUNDING, WANTED FOR THE RECORD TO
04:15:53 MAKE CLEAR THAT THE POLICY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
04:15:57 FALLS INTO GOAL 6, NOT 5.1.9.
04:16:02 THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES THE GOALS, JUST FOR THE RECORD,
04:16:07 IN CASE THOSE WHO RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION REFERENCE
04:16:12 BACK TO THE POLICY PERTAINING TO THESE CORRIDORS.
04:16:16 ON THE LEFT IS THE LAND USE CATEGORIES FOR THE CT 35, UMU
04:16:22 35, UMU 60, ON THE RIGHT IS THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS, THE
04:16:29 ONE QUARTER MILE BUFFER FOR THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS
04:16:32 REFERENCED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
04:16:35 IN THE NEXT SLIDE WE SHOW THE PLAN, THE PARCELS, BECAUSE
04:16:39 THE PARCELS THAT HAVE THE DESIGNATION OF CMU-35, UMU-60,
04:16:45 WHICH ARE INSIDE THE BUFFER.
04:16:49 UNDER THIS PROPOSAL IT COULD BE THE PARCELS THAT WOULD BE
04:16:52 ALLOWED TO USE THE F.A.R. FOR SINGLE USE RESIDENTIAL, ON
04:16:58 THE RIGHT IN SHOWS IN READ THE PARCELS THAT WOULD FALLEN
04:17:01 SIDE THE BUFFER.
04:17:03 ZOOMING IN SHOWS THE PATTERNS OF WHAT'S INSIDE THE
04:17:08 BUFFER, WHAT'S OUTSIDE THE BUFFER.
04:17:10 YOU SEE THAT THERE'S QUITE A FEW PARCELS THAT ARE ALONG
04:17:15 ROADS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
04:17:17 QUITE A FEW THAT ARE INSIDE THE CORRIDOR.
04:17:20 WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE CENTRAL AREA AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE
04:17:25 SAME SORT OF PATTERN, SOME INSIDE, SOME OUTSIDE, WE START
04:17:30 SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROVISION AT THE UPPER RIGHT,
04:17:36 THE PARCEL THERE SPLIT, SOME OF IT IS OUTSIDE THE
04:17:42 CORRIDOR, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS.
04:17:46 THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA AGAIN, WHAT'S IN THE CORRIDOR,
04:17:52 WHAT'S OUTSIDE, WHAT WAS MENTIONED DURING THE PUBLIC
04:17:56 HEARINGS IN THE PAST.
04:17:58 A COUPLE OF PROVISIONS AGAIN THAT ARE SHOWING UP AS SPLIT
04:18:02 PARCEL HERE, SHOWING THAT THE PLAN IS IN THE OUTSIDE
04:18:08 CORRIDOR.
04:18:09 BUT THEN AGAIN WE TALK ABOUT ON THE SURFACE, IT LOOKS
04:18:13 LIKE IT'S IN THE CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S NOT.
04:18:15 THE PARCEL AT RATTLESNAKE POINT IS ONE MILE WALKING
04:18:20 DISTANCE, WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND BRIDGE STREET AND THEN
04:18:24 COME BACK TO THE INSIDE THE AREA BASED ON THE DEFINITION.
04:18:31 SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE PATTERNS, WE SORT OF
04:18:36 PICKED UP THE CORRIDORS, REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THE F.A.R.
04:18:42 DESIGNATION.
04:18:43 OBVIOUSLY A LOT HAPPENED IN THE CORRIDORS.
04:18:46 HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE PATTERNS, WHAT WE SAW,
04:18:52 CREATE COMPLICATED FOR THE APPLICANT WITH PROPERTY
04:18:55 OWNERS, STAFF CAN DEFINITIVELY DETERMINE WHICH PARCELS
04:19:00 ARE IN AND WHICH PARCELS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CORRIDOR.
04:19:06 MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
04:19:07 IT WOULD REQUIRE THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE ABLE TO
04:19:13 DEMONSTRATE WHICH ONES ARE IN THE CORRIDOR.
04:19:17 THERE ARE ALSO PARCELS THAT ARE SPLIT, ONES THAT I
04:19:20 IDENTIFIED WERE VISIBLE ON OUR MAPS, BETTER SPLIT.
04:19:25 BUT PROPERTY OWNER WOULD ALSO CONFIRM THAT WE RECOMMEND
04:19:30 AT LEAST 50% OF THE SITE INSIDE THE CORRIDOR TO QUALIFY
04:19:35 FOR THE EXEMPTION.
04:19:37 SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO AGAIN CONFIRM THAT
04:19:42 SITUATION.
04:19:42 WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, YOU WILL SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY
04:19:45 TO LOOK AT HOW BEST TO MANAGE F.A.R., WE ARE TRYING TO
04:19:52 ENCOURAGE DENSITY, SUPPORT TRANSIT, ALTHOUGH THE
04:20:01 RESULTANT PATTERN IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED, WITH SOME OF
04:20:08 THE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
04:20:10 AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AS PART OF THE OVERALL
04:20:13 COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
04:20:14 AS CAROLE MENTIONED IT'S COMING BEFORE COUNCIL IN
04:20:17 NOVEMBER.
04:20:18 SO WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY
04:20:22 TO ANSWER THOSE.
04:20:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
04:20:26 ANY QUESTIONS?
04:20:28 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:20:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, CAROLE AND RANDY.
04:20:35 I APPRECIATE THAT.
04:20:36 YOU KNOW, BACK IN MAY, CLEARLY I WAS PITCHING PRETTY HARD
04:20:41 FOR US TO PUT IN INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.
04:20:47 I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.
04:20:53 BUT THE VOTES WEREN'T NECESSARILY THERE, SO WE JUST
04:20:56 CARRIED IT OVER TO TODAY.
04:20:59 I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON
04:21:03 THE ALTERNATIVE, WHICH IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT
04:21:07 HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ADOPTING THIS FALL.
04:21:12 MY ONLY REQUEST AT THIS POINT, CAROLE, AND YOU AND I
04:21:16 TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, IN OTHER CONTEXTS, IS TO
04:21:19 MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A DRAFT EARLIER THAN THAT, THAT
04:21:24 DATE THAT YOU WANT US TO -- THAT WE ARE SCHEDULED TO VOTE
04:21:28 ON IT.
04:21:28 SO I WOULD SUGGEST, LOOKING AT OUR CALENDAR, WE HAVE A
04:21:32 REGULAR MEETING SEPTEMBER 2nd, AND MAYBE YOU CAN JUST
04:21:38 PRESENT A DRAFT TO US, A FIVE-MINUTE STAFF REPORT, DRAFT
04:21:43 TO US, YOU KNOW, ON THAT DATE, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN
04:21:46 USE THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER TO GIVE YOU OUR FEEDBACK
04:21:49 INDIVIDUALLY BASED UPON A DRAFT.
04:21:52 IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE RANDY ALMOST HAS A DRAFT AT THIS
04:21:57 POINT.
04:21:57 BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU GUYS THE REST OF THE SUMMER TO MASSAGE
04:22:01 THAT, AND I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOUR DISCRETION TO GO AHEAD
04:22:08 AND BRING THAT BACK WHEN IT'S READY.
04:22:10 BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY AND GIVE US A MONTH OF
04:22:14 SEPTEMBER TO MASSAGE IT.
04:22:15 >>CAROLE POST: I THINK THAT WOULD WORK FINE.
04:22:18 WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK AND USE THAT
04:22:20 ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET THE INPUT FROM COUNCIL AND ALSO TO
04:22:24 REFLECT ON THE INPUT WE RECEIVED IN THE SUMMER IN THE
04:22:27 VARIOUS TOUCH POINTS THAT ALREADY HAVE BUILT IN.
04:22:30 I APPRECIATE THAT.
04:22:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
04:22:32 THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT ON THAT.
04:22:34 AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU ALL HAVE BEEN
04:22:36 PUTTING INTO IT.
04:22:37 THANK YOU.
04:22:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
04:22:39 MRS. WELLS, I SEE YOU BACK THERE.
04:22:41 ANYTHING?
04:22:42 OKAY, GENTLEMEN.
04:22:44 WE HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT I AM GOING TO PUT OFF THIS
04:22:49 EVENING, A RESOLUTION TO BRING FORTH TO YOU, AND ALSO THE
04:22:52 TRIM CALENDAR.
04:22:54 MR. SHELBY.
04:22:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAROLE, I THINK WE ARE DONE WITH YOUR
04:22:59 ITEM.
04:23:03 >> CHAIR, MAY I CLARIFY?
04:23:05 MR. DINGFELDER, WE ARE NOT PROCEEDING TO BRING A
04:23:09 CONTROLLED ORDINANCE BACK FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION TO
04:23:11 COUNCIL?
04:23:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT SEEMED TO BE THE INCLINATION OF
04:23:18 COUNCIL BACK IN MAY AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY JUMPING UP
04:23:21 AND DOWN TODAY.
04:23:22 SO I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I WILL JUST LET IT
04:23:24 DRIFT AWAY AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER, I THINK.
04:23:29 IS THAT WHAT THE SONG SAID?
04:23:31 >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU.
04:23:32 >>BILL CARLSON: WE ALSO HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT THIS
04:23:36 MORNING, WE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS INDIVIDUALLY
04:23:40 THAT IT'S TOO LATE, IF WE WOULD DO THIS WE SHOULD HAVE
04:23:44 DONE IT A WHILE BACK.
04:23:46 AND SO THEY SEEM TO BE OKAY WITH US NOT MOVING FORWARD ON
04:23:50 THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
04:23:52 THE OTHER THING, DON'T FORGET, WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON IN
04:23:56 SEPTEMBER, WE STILL HAVE I THINK IN NOVEMBER A SEPARATE
04:23:59 MOTION WHICH WAS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING SOUTH OF GANDY IN
04:24:02 PARTICULAR.
04:24:05 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER THING ON THE CALENDAR.
04:24:08 THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO THREW OUT THE
04:24:11 WORD MORATORIUM AND ESPECIALLY DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
04:24:13 WHEN THEY THREW OUT THE MORATORIUM THEY CRITICIZED US FOR
04:24:17 PUSHING A MORATORIUM AND SCARING DEVELOPERS, AND
04:24:20 INVESTORS NATIONALLY.
04:24:21 BUT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DID THAT.
04:24:23 THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IRONICALLY IS THE ONE THAT
04:24:27 PUSHED THIS WORD MORATORIUM.
04:24:29 I SUGGEST IF WE GET INTO A CONVERSATION LIKE THIS NEXT
04:24:32 TIME THAT THE FOLKS DON'T PUSH A WORD THAT COULD
04:24:35 POTENTIALLY HURT INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE NONE
04:24:37 OF US WANT TO DO THAT.
04:24:39 AND USING A WORD LIKE THAT, THAT HURTS INVESTMENT, TO
04:24:42 FIGHT SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
04:24:44 THANK YOU.
04:24:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONLY POTENTIALLY FUEL THE FLAMES.
04:24:51 >>BILL CARLSON: AND INVESTORS, I TALK TO INVESTORS, THEY
04:24:55 SAW IT.
04:24:55 AND WHEN YOU RUN AN ARTICLE CRYING ABOUT A MORATORIUM,
04:25:00 THEY ARE GOING TO SEE IT.
04:25:01 THEY DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE THOSE OP-EDS RAN.
04:25:04 IT'S NOT JUST TO SCARE US.
04:25:07 IT'S SCARING INVESTORS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
04:25:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
04:25:13 ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN.
04:25:15 I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY MOTIONS AT THIS PARTICULAR
04:25:17 TIME.
04:25:18 WE'LL DO IT THIS EVENING.
04:25:19 MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:25:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A CLARIFICATION WITH THE CLERK
04:25:24 GOING BACK TO THIS MORNING'S MEETING ABOUT THE CMT.
04:25:27 THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHETHER IT'S GOING TO COME
04:25:31 BACK TONIGHT FOR DISCUSSION.
04:25:34 IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM A CLARIFICATION OF THE MOTION,
04:25:37 IF THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS CONTINUE, IT'S GOING TO BE
04:25:41 CONTINUING UNDER THE EMERGENCY RULES.
04:25:42 IF IT DOES EXPIRE, IT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO STILL
04:25:46 CONTINUE ON JULY 15th AS LONG AS IT FEES FIT WITH THE
04:25:53 CMT.
04:25:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ANYTHING ABOUT
04:25:55 THAT TONIGHT.
04:25:57 WE MADE CLEAR THIS MORNING, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, IF
04:26:00 THE ORDER FIRST, WE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE 15th AND
04:26:03 TAKE IT UP AT THAT TIME.
04:26:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO FIND OUT REQUEST
04:26:06 THE CLERK.
04:26:06 ARE YOU CLEAR?
04:26:08 >> SO THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE THIS MORNING BY
04:26:10 COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER IS GOING TO BE JUST TAKE THAT
04:26:15 OFF?
04:26:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT WAS THE LAST THING YOU NEED?
04:26:18 >>THE CLERK: ARE WE GOING TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE
04:26:21 SUMMARY?
04:26:22 I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER VIERA FOR THE LEGAL
04:26:26 DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO MODIFYING RULES AND PROCEDURES ON
04:26:29 A TEMPORARY BASIS IN REGARDS TO THE CMT.
04:26:32 AND THAT WAS TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE EVENING SESSION.
04:26:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, TAKE THAT OFF.
04:26:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WOULD BE MODIFIED TO CARRY OVER TO
04:26:41 JULY 15th INSTEAD OF TONIGHT.
04:26:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
04:26:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU HAVE TO HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH
04:26:49 IT.
04:26:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. MIRANDA.
04:26:57 SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
04:26:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE LAST THING BEFORE YOU TAKE A BREAK,
04:27:02 YOU HAVE MOTIONS TONIGHT.
04:27:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.
04:27:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, I'M SORRY.
04:27:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOCKS BY MR. MIRANDA.
04:27:09 SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
04:27:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:27:11 ANY OPPOSED?
04:27:12 MOTION PASSES.
04:27:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FORGIVE ME.
04:27:15 I'M SORRY, COUNCIL.
04:27:16 JUST A REMINDER.
04:27:17 I HAVE BEEN REMINDED THAT ON JULY 15, YOU HAVE 22 SECOND
04:27:21 READINGS, TWO REVIEW HEARINGS, AND FIVE STAFF REPORTS.
04:27:25 SO IF YOU HAVE ANY MOTIONS THAT YOU PLAN ON MAKING
04:27:27 TONIGHT, PLEASE CONSIDER ANOTHER DATE THAN JULY 15th.
04:27:32 THANK YOU.
04:27:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE ADJOURNED.
04:27:35
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