TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JUNE 24, 2021
9:00 A.M.
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09:02:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET US COME TO ORDER FOR THE WORKSHOP,
JUNE 24, 2021.
COUNCILMAN CITRO, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOR THIS
ONE.
09:02:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
AND AN INVOCATION AS WELL.
IMAN ISHARA ADEL JALEE.
HE'S A MUSLIM LEADER IN TAMPA.
A HUSBAND FOR 41 GREAT YEARS AND A FATHER OF FIVE
WONDERFUL CHILDREN.
HE PROVIDES LEADERSHIP CLASSES AND OTHER SERVICES AT
THE PMC WHICH IS THE MUSLIM CONNECTION.
PLEASE WELCOME IMAN ISHARA ADEL JALEE.
IMMAN, LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING
FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:03:22 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE CITY CLERK
INFORMS ME THAT THE IMAN IS NOT ONLINE PRESENT.
09:03:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
MAY WE START WITH THE PLEDGE THEN.
MOMENT OF SILENCE, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:03:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
MR. CHAIR --
09:03:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
09:04:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SAVING TIME, I WILL RUN DOWNSTAIRS.
09:04:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL WHILE YOU ARE HERE.
09:04:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:04:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:04:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:04:13 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:04:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:04:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:04:17 >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY.
09:04:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THE WORKSHOP IS WITH A LIVE PRESENT QUORUM INSIDE CITY
CHAMBERS DURING THE CONTINUED COVID-19 STATE OF
EMERGENCY.
IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS, MEMBERS OF
THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY BY
VIDEO TELECONFERENCING AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA
TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
THE WORKSHOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY RULES OF
PROCEDURES 20-225 AND AMENDED BY 2020-490 AND 2021-241.
THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE
ABLE TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM
640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15, AND ON THE WEB AT
WWW.TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM, ONE WORD.
THE PUBLIC HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND IN WRITTEN
COMMENTS BY INTERNET OR BY E-MAIL OR BY U.S. MAIL.
THEY ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK REMOTELY DURING
PUBLIC COMMENT THROUGH THE USE OF CMT.
AND THIS IS BY REREGISTERING AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY
TO PARTICIPATE USING THE CMT THAT IS AVAILABLE AT OLD
CITY HALL ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT ARE INVITED
TO ATTEND THE SECOND FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL AND PLEASE
NOTE, THE USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE THE
BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:05:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
GO TO THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, MR. SHELBY.
09:05:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WISH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
TWO ITEMS THAT ARE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE.
ITEMS NUMBER TWO AND ITEMS THREE, BOTH TO AUGUST 26 OF
2021.
09:06:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVING TO CONTINUE, ITEMS 2 AND 3.
09:06:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVED IT AND SECOND.
MOTION CARRIES.
09:06:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NUMBER 11 THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN
VIERA MOVED UP FROM ITEM 11 TO BE THE SECOND ITEM AFTER
CEREMONIAL.
09:06:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
09:06:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:06:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION MOVED BY MR. MANISCALCO,
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
MOTION CARRIES.
09:06:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AFTER THE CEREMONIAL.
I ASKED MISS ZELMAN TO JOIN US VERY BRIEFLY TO TALK OF
THE STATE OF EMERGENCY AND GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER
SET TO END ON FRIDAY.
IT TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND APPRECIATE THAT.
09:06:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL GET THAT AFTER COMMENDATION
OF THE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
09:06:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HOW ABOUT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE
WE GET TO THE REGULAR --
09:07:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
AFTER ITEM 1 AND ITEM 11. DO IT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:07:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
09:07:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
09:07:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE.
09:07:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:07:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED RELATED TO THE CRB SIGNING OF THE
ORDINANCE WITH MYSELF AND THE MAYOR AND THE CRB.
PLEASE GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY IF YOU CAN ATTEND.
AS UNIFIED AS THIS BODY HAS BEEN TO CONTINUE TO STRIVE
TO HAVE UNITY AMONG THIS BOARD AND ALSO WITH THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE.
SO THANK YOU.
09:07:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
DO WE KNOW -- MAYBE QUESTION LATER,
BUT THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT SHE WILL SIGN, IS
IT THE SAME.
NOTHING CHANGED?
09:07:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CHANGES.
09:07:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
REPLACES -- WE WERE TOLD LAST WEEK IT
REPLACES THE OLD VERSION.
09:08:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S CORRECT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
09:08:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MAYOR WILL DO HER PART TO REPLACE
THE OLD EXECUTIVE ORDER WHICH HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
AND THE COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY AND THE PUBLIC'S.
THANK YOU.
09:08:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I READ AND
I DID NOT SIGN THE ORDER LAST WEEK.
I WAS WAITING FOR THE MAYOR BECAUSE I WANT US TO DO IT
JOINTLY TO SHOW THE COHESIVENESS WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THIS BODY SO I DID NOT SIGN THE
ORDER LAST WEEK ON FRIDAY.
SO AT THIS POINT, EVERYTHING THAT WE ASKED FOR AND
VOTED ON.
IF YOU CAN ATTEND, 1:30, WE APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, THE AGENDA HAS BEEN MOVED.
WE WILL GO TO CEREMONIALS, PRESENTATION.
POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
MR. CITRO, YOU ARE DOWNSTAIRS?
THERE HE IS.
09:08:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBERS, I THANK YOU
VERY, VERY MUCH.
AS ALWAYS, I ALWAYS START OFF THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH
BY SAYING THAT IF MORE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THESE
OFFICERS GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY DAY IN THEIR LINE OF
WORK, THEY WILL GO TO THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY FOR
THE CITY.TAMPA.
AND AS SOON AS IT STARTS BACK UP, I WILL LET EVERYBODY
KNOW THAT IT HAS STARTED AGAIN.
TODAY, WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING A
ACCOMMODATION FOR OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR DR. JAMES M.
DEMATO, GOOD ITALIAN OFFICER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH IN
2021.
YOU SEE HIS LOVELY FAMILY BEHIND ME.
HIS WIFE IS THE -- IS THE HERO OF THE FAMILY.
EVERY WIFE, EVERY SPOUSE, EVERY MOTHER AND FATHER OF
OFFICERS WATCH THE OFFICER GO OFF TO WORK AND PRAY
EVERY DAY IT THEY COME HOME.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING THE TRUE HERO OF THE FAMILY.
CHIEF, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP AND EXPLAIN THE
CONDITION WHERE WHY THIS OFFICER IS OFFICER OF THE
MONTH?
09:10:13 >> MORNING, COUNCIL.
REUBEN DELGADO, THE ASSISTANT CHIEF.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT
OFFICER DAMATO AS THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH AND THE
COMMUNITY PARTNERS HERE TO SUPPORT HIM AS WELL.
THE OFFICER HAS BEEN HERE SEVEN YEARS.
ALMOST SEVEN YEARS AND CURRENTLY WORKING IN DISTRICT 3.
SO HE QUICKLY IDENTIFIED AN AREA IN DISTRICT 3 WE WERE
HAVING NARCOTICS ACTIVITY.
SOME GUN COMPLAINTS, GUN CRIMES GOING ON AT A FOOD
STORE ON 40TH STREET.
BECAME KNOWN FOR NARCOTICS SALES.
GUN VIOLENCE AND A COUPLE OF SHOOTINGS IN THE AREA OF
THE FOOD STORE.
SO BASICALLY HE RECOGNIZED KNOWN VIOLENT OFFENDERS IN
THE AREA.
RECOGNIZED A NEED TO COMBAT VIOLENT CRIMES AND CREATED
AN OPERATION CALLED TAKE IT BACK.
AS A JOINT PLAN THAT INCLUDED NOT ONLY HIS SQUAD BUT
THE STREET ANTI-CRIME SQUADS, THE VIOLENT CRIME SQUADS,
AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP AND THE
COMMUNITY-ORIENTED POLICING SQUADS.
HE IDENTIFIED THE LOCATION.
HE ALERTED OFFICERS WHICH INDIVIDUALS WERE TRESPASSED
FROM THOSE LOCATIONS AND PROVIDED INSIGHT WHICH
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR HE WAS WITNESSING DURING SURVEILLANCE
TIME.
AND HIS PATROL TIME INCLUDE WHAT CARS WERE POTENTIALLY
INVOLVED IN TELLING NARCOTICS IN AND AROUND THE STORE
AND WHICH SUSPECTS WERE KNOWN TO CARRY FIREARMS OF
DISCARDED FIREARMS IN THE AREA.
HE ALSO USED OUR STREET SMART SOFTWARE PROGRAM, A
PROGRAM WE USE TO COMMUNICATE AMONG SQUADS TO TRACK THE
PROGRESS OF THE PLAN THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION BOARD.
HE WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY 13 SUSPECTS THAT WERE
IDENTIFIED WITH CRIMES IN THAT AREA.
BOTH THE VIOLENT CRIME SQUADS REMAIN IN CONSTANT
CONTACT REMAINING THE LEADS THEY WERE DOING THAT LED TO
THE ARRESTS AND SEIZURES OF GUNS AND FIREARMS.
DUE TO HIS EFFORTS IN THE OPERATION TAKE IT BACK, EIGHT
FIREARMS WERE SEIZED, TWO OF WHICH WERE REPORTED STOLEN
AND THREE OFFENDERS ARRESTED FOR THOSE CRIMES.
NARCOTIC SEIZURES.
FOUR HAD ACTIVE WARRANTS AND ONE WAS CHARGED WITH
FLEEING TO ELUDE.
HIS RECOGNITION OF HIS LEADERSHIP AND THE VIOLENT CRIME
FIGHTING IN DISTRICT 3, ADMINISTER HAS BEEN SELECTED AS
TAMPA POLICE OFFICER'S OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
[APPLAUSE]
09:12:48 >> OFFICER DAMATO, WE HAVE OFFICERS -- EVERY OFFICER
SHOULD BE GETTING A OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
YOU WERE CHOSEN BY YOUR PEERS AND BY YOUR FELLOW
OFFICERS FOR THIS.
BECAUSE OF YOUR DEDICATION FOR SERVICE, COMMITMENT TO
EXCELLENCE AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE DUTY, THE
CALL OF DUTY.
CHOSEN AS A MARK OF DISTINCTION OF OFFICER OF THE MONTH
BY CITY COUNCIL.
YOUR PEERS, SUPERIORS WELCOME YOU FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING
WORK ETHIC AND DEDICATION OF KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY
SAFE.
WE COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR INITIATIVE AND LEADERSHIP IN
OPERATION TAKE BACK AND OTHER EFFORTS THAT HAVE MADE A
SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT IN REDUCING VIOLENT CRIME IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
OFFICER, IT IS THE HONOR OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO
PRESENT OFFICER JAMES DAMATO WITH THIS COMMENDATION THE
24TH DAY OF JUNE, 2021.
OFFICER, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
09:13:46 >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:13:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS YOURS.
COUNCILMEMBER, WE ARE GOING TO GO NOW TO THE WONDERFUL
PEOPLE THAT COME AND PRESENT THEIR APPRECIATION TO THE
OFFICER OF THE MONTH, BUT WE WILL FIRST START OFF WITH
-- WITH THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION.
09:14:18 >> DARLA PORTMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE POLICE BENEVOLENT
ASSOCIATION.
JIMMY OWENS, THE VICE PRESIDENT.
GOOD MORNING.
WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU, JAMES.
YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, THE PBA IS PROUD OF YOU AND
THE UNION IS PROUD OF YOU.
WE LOVE OFFICERS THAT GO OUT THERE AND WORK HARD AND
REPRESENT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE MANNER THAT YOU
DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO CONGRATULATIONS.
AND THIS IS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, AND I WILL PUT IT
OVER THERE FOR YOU.
09:14:45 >> THANK YOU.
09:14:46 >> GOOD MORNING.
OFFICER, CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL-DONE, MIKE
MCARTHUR WITH STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
ON BEHALF OF TODD'S STEPP AND STEPP'S TOWING, A $50
BASS PRO GIFT CARD AND A NIGHT IN OUR COMPANY
LIMOUSINE.
PUT THE CHALLENGE OUT THERE AGAIN AND I HAVEN'T DONE IT
IN A WHILE TO SOMEONE PULL UP TO BASS PRO TO TAKE A
PICTURE IN THE LIMO.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE COOLEST THING EVER.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING DO YOU FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
JOB WELL-DONE.
ENJOY TIME OFF.
09:15:33 >> THANK YOU.
09:15:38 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, PETE BREVY, BUSCH GARDENS.
GOOD TO BE BACK, AND I ALWAYS SAY AN HONOR TO REPRESENT
BUSCH GARDENS AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO
HONOR THE MEN AND WOMEN OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EVERY MONTH.
OBVIOUSLY JIMMY -- I HAVE KNOWN JIMMY FOR A WHILE AND A
FREQUENT FLYER AT BUSCH GARDENS AND I -- I ALWAYS SAY
WE WILL GIVE TICKETS TO PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS COME TO BUSCH
GARDENS ANYWAY, JIMMY, ON BEHALF OF BUSCH GARDENS AND
PARK PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU TO DO OUR
COMMUNITY AS HIGHLIGHTED BY CHIEF DELGADO AND THANK YOU
FOR WHAT YOU DO ON A DAILY BASIS.
NOT ONLY A GREAT POLICE OFFICER, BUT A BETTER HUMAN
BEING.
THANK YOU, JIMMY.
09:16:29 >> LEAH BENNING WITH TAMPA THEATRE.
OFFICER ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE, I AM HONORED TO
GIVE YOU A GIFT OF A MEMBERSHIP TO THE THEATRE THAT
INCLUDES FREE TICKETS FOR MOVIES, FREE DISCOUNT ON
POPCORN AND CANDY FOR THE GIRLS AND APPRECIATE ALL THE
WORK YOU DO AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
CONGRATULATIONS.
09:16:50 >> THANK YOU.
09:16:57 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:16:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHERE DID IT GO?
IT WAS UP HERE.
COUNCILMAN, THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT
WISH THEY COULD HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY, FROM ZOO TAMPA,
THE CASPER CORPORATION AND THE STRAZ CENTER.
BUT I AM GOING TO HAVE MY GUEST SPEAKER, MR. STEVE
MICHELINI, PRESENT FOR THEM.
09:17:23 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I AM VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE AND TO RECOGNIZE THIS FINE
OFFICER.
I THINK THE GIRLS NEED TO COME UP HERE SO THEY GET ON
THE CAMERA.
THOSE BLUE DRESSES ARE OUTSTANDING.
I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TWO OF THEM GOT BLUE
DRESSES AND ONE OF THEM DIDN'T, BUT THEY OUGHT TO COME
UP HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS A SUPPORT GROUP THAT IS
STANDING BEHIND THIS OFFICER EVERY DAY AND EVERY
EVENING WHEN THEY ARE OUT ON PATROL.
SO WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THEM AS WELL.
WE ARE -- ON BEHALF THE STRAZ CENTER ARE GOING TO
PROVIDE A GUEST PAST TO ENJOY FROZEN WHICH IS BROADWAY
HIT.
THE STRAZ SAYS IF YOU NEED MORE TICKETS WILL GIVE THEM
TO YOU FOR THE KIDS.
ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA, THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE WITH
YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY CAN ENJOY
ZOO.
AND ON BEHALF OF MCDONALD'S CORPORATION, CASPER'S, THEY
WILL PROVIDE WITH YOU GIFT CERTIFICATES SO YOU CAN
ENJOY YOURSELF THERE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES -- PRESENTATIONS FOR
THE OFFICERS INCLUDING THE METROPOLITAN YMCA, WHO IS
PROVIDING A GUEST PASS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
THE CHICO RESTAURANT GROUP PROVIDING YOU WITH YOUR
CHOICE BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR DINNER AT THEIR
ESTABLISHMENTS.
ON BEHALF THE PRESTIGE PORTRAITS, KNOWN AS BYRN ALLEN
STUDIO, THEY WILL HAVE THEIR PORTRAITS, AND GIRLS HAVE
TO WEAR THE BLUE DRESSES.
THE YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, YOUR CHOICE OF LUNCH AND
DINNER.
AGAIN, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA IN PARTICULAR, AND
I KNOW WHAT -- WHAT A CHALLENGE IT IS TO WORK OUT
THERE.
SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK AND WHAT YOU HAVE
DONE OUT THERE TO HELP STRAIGHTEN THINGS OUT.
THANK YOU, AGAIN.
09:19:19 >> THANK YOU.
09:19:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STEVE.
OFFICER, BEFORE YOU INTRODUCE YOUR LOVELY FAMILY,
COUNCILMEMBERS, ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY?
09:19:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:19:33 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
NO, JUST OFFICER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I AM GLAD THAT YOUR WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL FAMILY IS
THERE.
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE A VERY BLESSED PERSON IN YOUR
LIFE AND YOUR SMILE REFLECTS THAT AND YOUR WIFE'S SMILE
REFLECTS THAT AND YOU HAVE JUST THREE BEAUTIFUL
DAUGHTERS, AND YOU ARE VERY, VERY BLESSED.
WE ARE ALSO BLESSED TO HAVE YOU, SIR, PROTECTING US.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF -- I WAS YESTERDAY EVENING AT A
RETIREMENT PARTY FOR CORPORAL JEAN HAYNES, AND TALKING
TO A LOT OF POLICE OFFICERS THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF -- OF -- OF DISMAL, I
GUESS, IF YOU WILL, FEELINGS AMONG MANY, MANY POLICE
OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS OVER THE LAST YEAR.
YOU ALL HAD A TREMENDOUS BURDEN OVER THE LAST YEAR, BUT
YOUR FAMILY HAD A TREMENDOUS BURDEN OVER THE LAST YEAR.
AND JUST KNOW THAT I GREATLY APPRECIATE TO THE BEST
THAT I CAN WHAT YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH, WHAT YOUR FAMILY
HAS GONE THROUGH, AND THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES AND
THAT THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY AND COMMUNITY DOES.
THAT MEANS EVERYBODY.
LIKE I ALWAYS SAY CUBS FANS, CARDINAL FANS, LEFT HAND,
RIGHT HANS, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS,
PEOPLE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO AND I APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU ALL DO.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.
WONDERFUL FAMILY, GOD BLESS YOU, GUYS.
THANK YOU.
09:20:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO.
09:21:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FOR YOUR
SERVICE AND CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID IT ALL.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SACRIFICE EACH AND EVERY DAY WHEN
YOU GO OUT IN UNIFORM AND YOUR SERVICE TO THIS
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:21:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CLERK, RECOGNIZE THAT MR.
DINGFELDER HAS ARRIVED.
SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
09:21:25 >>CLERK:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER ARRIVED AT 9:21 A.M.
09:21:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, ANYTHING TO ADD?
09:21:33 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANKS, AS MY COLLEAGUES JUST SAID,
FOR YOUR DECORATION.
09:21:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, THE OFFICER OF THE
MONTH.
09:21:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE SO MUCH
AND YOUR BEAUTIFUL FAMILY.
CONGRATULATIONS.
09:21:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:21:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OFFICER, WE ARE GRATEFUL.
WE ARE ALL GRATEFUL WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR JOB ON A
DAILY BASIS AND I LOOK AT YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR HAIR.
I REMEMBER I HAD THAT MUCH AND -- AND MY GIRLS ABOUT
THAT AGE.
ENJOY IT BECAUSE TIME FLIES AND HAIR FLIES.
LOOK AT ME.
I AM NOT DONE.
YOU SHOULD BE A ROLE MODEL.
BUT YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
BECAUSE OF THE WORK YOU DO.
PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE A LITTLE SAFER.
AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE, WORK AND
ABILITY TO HAVE THE CONTINUATION OF A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY
THAT YOU HAVE.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:22:26 >> THANK YOU.
09:22:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
OFFICER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
SEVEN YEARS.
JUST NOW GETTING THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
YOU ARE IN WHAT I CALL THE WORKING MAN'S DISTRICT.
I UNDERSTAND THE WORK YOU ARE DOING OVER THERE AND
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR BEAUTIFUL FAMILY AND
CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK FOR THE CITIZENS OF.
09:22:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OFFICER, STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE.
YOUR CHANCE TO INTRODUCE YOUR LOVELY FAMILY AND HAVE
ANY WORDS THAT YOU WANT.
09:22:57 >> THIS IS MY WIFE, NICOLE.
DAUGHTER KYA, DAUGHTER MADISON, AND LITTLE ONE IS
ABIGAIL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE HER DOWN THERE.
09:23:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE GOT HER.
09:23:08 >> I JUST WANT TO THANK CITY COUNCIL AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECOGNITION.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE PBA FOR BEING HERE AND THE
CITIZENS OF TAMPA FOR THE GIFTS REALLY APPRECIATE IT
AND THE SQUAD AND THE SQUAD OF ANOTHER CYCLE.
IF NOT FOR THEM, THIS WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
09:23:30 >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:23:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, JUST FOR THE RECORD,
WE HAVE CONTINUED ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 3 ON THE AGENDA
THIS MORNING.
WE ARE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 11 TO THE NUMBER TWO SPOT.
MR. VIERA, WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, SIR.
09:24:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, WHENEVER YOU ARE READY,
SIR.
09:24:35 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE MY FRIEND AND OUR FRIEND, MR.
JAMES KEENE, WHO IS THE DEVELOPMENT DIVISION DIRECTOR
FOR METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH.
I INVITED MR. KEENE AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF METRO
HEALTH HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF
REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, JUNE IS OBVIOUSLY LBGTQ+ PRIDE MONTH.
AND THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES SUCH TREMENDOUS
WORK IN THE LBGTQ+ COMMUNITY.
ALSO JUST GIVEN SOME OF THE RECENT CIVIC ISSUES WE HAVE
SEEN THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA PARTICULARLY WITH
TRANSGENDER YOUTH, SOMETHING SO PIVOTAL TO THE MISSION
OF OUR FRIENDS AT METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH.
I WANT JAMES TO COME AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE GREAT
WORK THAT THEY DO AND I WILL ACTUALLY BE MAKING A
MOTION AT THE END IN WAYS OF WHICH THE CITY OF TAMPA
CAN BETTER PARTNER WITH THE WONDERFUL MISSION OF METRO
INCLUSIVE HEALTH.
SO METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH BEGAN IN 1993, AND SINCE THIS
TIME, IT HAS PROVIDED ESSENTIAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS
SERVICES TO THE TAMPA BAY REGARDLESS OF RACE, GENDER,
SEXUAL ORIENTATION, SEXUAL IDENTITY, ETC.
WITH THE LBGTQ+ POPULATION WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH
CARE.
FROM HIV SERVICES, EMOTIONAL HEALTH AND COUNSELING AND
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
AS SOME OF YOU ALL KNOW, THEY RECENTLY OUTGREW THEIR
YBOR CITY LOCATION WHICH SPEAKS TO THE REAL NEEDS IN
OUR COMMUNITY ON THIS ISSUE.
I WAS READING ON THE HISTORY OF THIS WONDERFUL
ORGANIZATION, AND IT APPEARS THEY BEGAN MEETING AT THE
LOCAL METROPOLITAN COMMUNITY CHURCH.
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN PINELLAS COUNTY, IF I AM CORRECT,
AND IT MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING SO PIVOTAL TO THEIR
MISSION OF THOSE WHO WENT TO SUNDAY SCHOOL OR WHATEVER
IT MIGHT BE, THE OLD PARABLE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ON
THE GOOD SHEPHERD SPEND DAY AND NIGHT -- HE WOULD HAVE
100 SHEEP AND LOST ONE SHEEP AND SPENT DAY AND NIGHT
LOOKING FOR THAT ONE SHEEP OUT OF 100 SHEEP.
THAT SPEAKS TO THE LEVEL OF COMPASSION THAT LOOKS TO
THE LEAST OF THESE.
AND FOR OUR LBGTQ+ YOUTH IN THE TAMPA AREA, WE NEED A
GOOD SHEPHERD TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR THOSE SOULS AND
HELP THEM OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
I INTRODUCE MR. KEENE.
I LEAVE IT TO YOU, SIR.
09:26:52 >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN AND COUNCIL CHAIR AND MEMBERS
OF COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
IT IS MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING AND SHARE
WITH YOU AN UPDATE ON THE ORGANIZATION.
IN FRONT OF YOU THIS MORNING WE PLACED OUR 2020 ANNUAL
REPORT, AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BRING A COUPLE OF
HIGHLIGHTS TO THE FRONT.
THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC, WHICH WAS CHALLENGING
OBVIOUSLY FOR EVERYBODY.
AS A PUBLIC HEALTH ORGANIZATION, FIRST AND FOREMOST IS
PUBLIC HEALTH.
SO THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC IN 2020, WE WERE ABLE TO
ENROLL 2400 NEW PATIENTS INTO SERVICES AT METRO.
AND WITHIN THAT 2400, WHEN YOU DIG DOWN, IT IS ALMOST
900 INDIVIDUALS NEW TO US RECEIVING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
COUNSELING SERVICES.
AND ANOTHER 340 RECEIVING PSYCHIATRIC CARE THAT THEY
WEREN'T PREVIOUSLY RECEIVING.
WE HAD 820 PRIMARY CARE PATIENTS.
YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH HAS REALLY BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARY
THING TO WATCH.
I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE WITH THE
ORGANIZATION FOR SEVEN YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY -- KNOWING THAT WE REACHED
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE DO AND PROVIDING OVER 100
SERVICES AND PROGRAMS TO PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF THEIR
ABILITY TO PAY.
WHETHER THEY HAVE INSURANCE OR DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, WE
DON'T TURN FOLKS AWAY.
ONE OF THE WAYS WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT -- AND IT IS A
REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
WE CALL IT A CO-PAY IT FORWARD PROGRAM.
WE ACCEPT MANY SERVICES AT HEALTH CENTERS.
WHEN YOU MAKE A CO-PAYMENT AT OUR FACILITIES THAT
TRANSLATES INTO FREE MEDICAL SERVICES FOR PEOPLE WHO
DON'T HAVE INSURANCE OR DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INSURANCE.
IN 2020, THOSE CO-PAYMENTS RECEIVED THROUGH OUR
FACILITIES TRANSLATED TO $485,000 IN FREE MEDICAL
SERVICES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO EXTEND TO MEMBERS OF OUR
COMMUNITIES.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE LBGTQ+ FOCUSED, WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT
EXCLUSIVE OF ANYBODY.
IT IS IN OUR NAME, METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH.
WE ARE HERE FOR EVERYBODY.
ONE OF THE IMPORTANT FACTS THAT I GOT TO SHARE WITH YOU
ALL TODAY AS WE LOOK FORWARD IN WHAT 2021 IS PRESENTING
US.
NOT ONLY IS IT THE OPPORTUNITY OF OUR EXPANDED
FOOTPRINT AT THE GERMAN-AMERICAN CLUB THAT WILL MORE
THAN DOUBLE OUR CAPACITY.
AS COUNCILMAN VIERA SPOKE OF, OUR CURRENT FACILITY ON
7TH AVENUE IS JUST OVER 13,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE HAVE OUTGROWN THAT AS AN UNDER STATEMENT.
OUR NEW FACILITY WILL BE OVER 30,000 SQUARE FEET,
STATE-OF-THE-ART MEDICAL AND COMMUNITY CENTER OPEN AND
AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY REGARDLESS OF STATUS.
REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU IDENTIFY, WHO YOU LOVE.
INSURANCE OR NOT.
WE ARE THE PLACE FOR EVERYBODY.
HIV CONTINUES TO BE ON THE RISE.
WE STARTED AS AN ORGANIZATION, AS A HIV SERVICE
ORGANIZATION AND HERE WE ARE 30 YEARS LATER AS AN
ORGANIZATION STILL STRUGGLING WITH THE STIGMA AND LACK
OF EDUCATION AROUND HIV.
YOU KNOW, FLORIDA STANDARDS CONTINUES TO RISE -- LEAD
IN NEW HIV INFECTIONS.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF 48 MOST
BURDENED COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WITH
HIV INFECTIONS, PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV.
THAT IS A FACT BY THE CDC.
THE CDC HAS ROLLED OUT SOME NEW GRANT MONEY TO END THE
EPIDEMIC.
IT IS A MULTIYEAR GRANT.
WE ARE THRILLED TO BE RECEIVING SOME MONEY TO CONTINUE
TARGETED MESSAGING TO MOST AT-RISK INDIVIDUALS.
HIV, WE ARE SEEING IT IS REALLY NOT A GROUP EXCLUSIVE
-- NOT A LBGTQ+ EXCLUSIVE DISEASE.
A -- NOT A VIRUS THAT WE CAN ATTRACT.
I URGE EVERYBODY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HIV, BE TESTED AND
KNOW YOUR STATUS.
I WILL BE REMISS IF I DID NOT SPEAK OF OUR NEW FACILITY
BEING LOCATED WHERE IT IS.
3365 IS THE ZIP CODE.
PRIMARILY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
AND UNDERSERVED INDIVIDUALS WITH NOT THAT GREAT ACCESS
TO HEALTH CARE.
WE ARE SO THRILLED TO HAVE THAT BRICK AND MORTAR
LOCATION WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND RECEIVE THE SERVICES
THAT THEY NEED.
I SPOKE TO OVER 100 SERVICES AND PROGRAMS.
WHAT WE DO KNOW THAT 90% OF OUR PATIENTS RECEIVE MORE
THAN ONE SERVICE.
SO THAT GOAL OF WRAP-AROUND CARE AND ALL-INCLUSIVE
EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN ONE PLACE.
WE ARE STRIVING AND WE ARE REALLY CLOSE TO ACHIEVING
THAT.
SO IN CLOSING, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT THESE
THINGS ARE ALL POSSIBLE WITH PARTNERSHIPS.
WE LOVE COLLABORATIONS.
WE ARE SO PROUD TO PARTNER WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
JAIL AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE IN TAMPA.
AND, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTY PROTECTING AND
HELPING SUPPORT TRANS CHILDREN.
AND OFFER SUPPORT TO LBGTQ+ YOUTH.
AGAIN, THAT IS A REALLY UNDERSERVED AND VULNERABLE
POPULATION AS WE AS AN ORGANIZATION CHERISH AND WE
STRIVE TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY.
AND YOU KNOW HEALTH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
HEALTH PEOPLE ARE WHAT MAKE UP HEALTHY COMMUNITIES.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
ONE LAST ISSUE AS I LOOK DOWN.
I NOTICE I DIDN'T MENTION MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY
ARE.
THE BRICK AND MORTAR IS WONDERFUL, BUT WE HAVE MOBILE
HEALTH UNITS AND YOU WILL SEE US MORE IN THE COMMUNITY
AS WE CONTINUE THE HIV WORK.
BUT ALSO BUILDING TRUST.
AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH INDIVIDUALS SO THEY DO
FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE BRICK AND MORTAR.
WITH THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND SUPPORT.
HAPPY PRIDE.
09:32:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR ALL YOU DO AND
FOR EVERYTHING YOUR ORGANIZATION DOES.
IT SOUNDS LIKE TREMENDOUS WORK FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
09:32:49 >> THANK YOU.
09:32:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
09:32:53 >>BILL CARLSON:
TO ECHO THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ALL THE PEOPLE YOU HELP
AND LIVES YOU SAVE.
AND ALSO, THANK YOU FOR SAVING -- HELPING TO SAVE A
REALLY IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING.
I SAW THE RENDERINGS.
IT IS BEAUTIFUL.
I CAN'T WAIT TO TAKE A TOUR OF THAT.
09:33:11 >> I CAN'T WAIT TO SHOW YOU ALL AND HAVE YOU ALL OUT
FOR A TOUR.
09:33:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING MORE, THANK
YOU.
09:33:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO.
09:33:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN
THE COMMUNITY.
I WAS THERE WHEN WE HAD -- I GUESS THE GROUNDBREAKING
FOR THE NEW FACILITY.
I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT THE HISTORIC GERMAN-AMERICAN CLUB
IS IN GOOD HANDS AND BEING RESTORED AND THE BEAUTIFUL
ADDITION TO -- TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, BUT HOW WELL
YOU FOCUSED ON THE HISTORICAL AESTHETICS OF THE
BUILDING AND IT REALLY FITS INTO -- INTO THE -- THE
HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT IS
RIGHT THERE AND IN YBOR BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY JUST LIKE
YOUR NAME SAID AND WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER
"INCLUSIVE."
IT IS OPEN TO EVERYONE AND AN ASSET TO THIS COMMUNITY
THAT WILL BENEFIT SO MANY PEOPLE AND HELP SO MANY
PEOPLE AND WE ARE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE HERE
AND GRATEFUL FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:34:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
09:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I CONGRATULATE YOU WITH ALONG WITH MY OTHER MEMBERS.
THE YCDC.
IT HAS MATURED INTO THIS GREAT, WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION
THAT IS HELPING SO MANY PEOPLE.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HELPING TO SAVE THAT WONDERFUL
HISTORIC BUILDING ON NEBRASKA AVENUE.
THE OLD GERMAN CLUB THAT USED TO BE A MASONIC TEMPLE AT
THAT TIME.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE EXPANSION AND YOU AND THE
ORGANIZATION HELPING SO MANY MORE PEOPLE IN OUR
COMMUNITY THAT DESPERATELY NEED HELP.
THANK YOU.
09:34:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.
09:34:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, SIR.
WAY BACK IN THE '40S AND '50S AND '60S, SOMETHING CLOSE
WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MUTUAL AID SOCIETY.
IT WAS A CUBAN CLUB, CENTRO ITALIANO AND OTHER ONES.
SUPPORT A SMALL AMOUNT, TAKE CARE OF THE WHOLE FAMILY
FROM BIRTH TO THE OTHER SIDE, THE END.
AND THEY DID -- THEY HAD HOSPITALS.
THEY HAD SURGEONS.
THEY HAD NURSES.
THEY HAD X-RAYS.
THEY HAD LABORATORIES.
THEY HAD EVERYTHING.
I CALLED IT THE START OF MEDICARE.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DID WAS THE GOVERNMENT TOOK
OVER AND NOT SO KIND, BUT NOW THEY CALL IT THE LOTTERY.
IT USED TO BE CALLED "BOLITA."
WHICH IT WAS ILLEGAL BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WASN'T
GETTING THE MONEY.
HOW IT IS IN LIFE AND I AM NOT COMPARING TO YOU BOLITA
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE
DOING AND I UNDERSTAND THE PREMISE BECAUSE I WAS PART
OF THE MUTUAL AID SOCIETY AS ONE OF THE RECIPIENTS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:35:54 >> THANK YOU.
09:35:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DURING YOUR PRESENTATION I WAS
WONDERING -- I DIDN'T HEAR.
WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AT ALL?
09:36:03 >> WE DO HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THEY ARE ONGOING, THANK YOU.
YES.
09:36:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A GOOD THING TO KNOW WORKING WITH THE
SCHOOL DISTRICT.
09:36:11 >> ABSOLUTELY.
WE WORK WITH THE GENDER -- GSAS AND LISTEN TAMPA BAY
SPECIFICALLY ARE PARTNERS WITHIN THE SCHOOLS.
09:36:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR YOU AND YOUR
ORGANIZATION FOR WHAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU, MR. VIERA,
FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
09:36:30 >> THANK YOU.
09:36:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, SIR.
OPINION OKAY, GENTLEMAN, MOVE ALONG.
MR. SHELBY, YOU AND MISS ZELMAN HAVE THINGS YOU WANT TO
SHARE WITH US OF THE GOVERNOR EXECUTIVE ORDER.
09:36:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE CAN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
MISS ZELMAN IS ON HER WAY DOWN AND MAYBE IF WE CAN GO
TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:36:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PUBLIC COMMENT.
HOW MANY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
09:37:19 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:37:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
09:37:21 >> COUNCILMEN.
I'M HERE --
09:37:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STATE YOUR NAME FOR US.
09:37:29 >> ODELL MINGO.
09:37:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY, SIR.
09:37:33 >> I'M HERE IN REFERENCE TO THE LIENS THAT OCCURRED ON
TWO OF MY PROPERTIES AND I WAS TRYING -- I HAVE BEEN
RELATING TO -- SHAUNA TIM, BARBARA BELL AND MAUREEN
REGINA.
AND WE HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH TRYING TO
GET THIS RESOLVED.
BUT IT SEEMS AS IF EVERYONE IS -- I WANT TO SAY KICKING
THE CAN DOWN THE STREET.
AND I JUST NEED SOME RESOLUTIONS TO -- TO -- TO SOLVE
THIS PROBLEM.
I HAVE TWO PROPERTIES I WANT TO FIX THE PROPERTIES THAT
HAVE LIENS AND NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE A RESOLUTION TO HOW
CAN I GET THIS RESOLVED.
AND THE REASON WHY THE PROPERTY IS UNDER THE FINES THAT
HAVE BEEN OCCURRING THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
NO ONE CAN SEEM TO -- I WENT TO COURT -- I SPOKE WITH
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THE AREA, MISS ANGELINE
JOHNSON.
SHE IS THE ONE THAT GAVE ME THE FINES AND TOLD ME I
NEED TO SHUT THEM DOWN.
I SHUT THEM DOWN.
I BOARDED THEM UP.
I DID GO TO COURT.
AFTER GOING TO COURT.
I SECURED THE PROPERTIES.
UPON SECURING THE PROPERTIES, I STILL OCCURRED FINES
ONGOING FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, ALMOST THREE
YEARS NOW.
AND NO ONE CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER ON HOW CAN I FIX THE
PROBLEM.
I AM NOT FINANCIALLY ABLE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY
ASK ME TO FIX, BUT I WAS ABLE BOARD AND SECURE THE
PROPERTIES AND I HAD THEM SECURED.
I ACTUALLY HAD -- LIKE, TEN FAMILIES GO BACK TO THE
STREET.
NORMALLY HOUSE PEOPLE -- UNFORTUNATELY, HOMELESS PEOPLE
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COME TO ME FOR A PLACE TO
STAY, BUT, I COULDN'T DO IT ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE
LIENS THAT OCCURRED ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES.
ALL OF MY -- ALL I AM ASKING FOR IS A LITTLE HELP TO
SEE -- TO LIFT THESE FINES -- LIFT THE LIENS
TEMPORARILY SO I CAN SELL TWO PROPERTIES TO FIX THE
ORDER OF 23RD AND 29TH STREET.
AND I AM ASKING FOR A LITTLE HELP.
I WENT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
ANGELINE, CODE ENFORCEMENT, BARBARA JEAN, REGINA.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO PLEASE LOOK THAT THE SITUATION
AND TO HELP ME GET ALONG WITH -- BEFORE I CAN GET THIS
STUFF RESOLVED.
09:40:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
WE NORMALLY DON'T TALK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND I KNOW
MY OFFICE HAVE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM YOU.
MR. SHELBY HAVE GIVEN THIS TO ALL COUNCILMEMBERS IN
REFERENCE TO MR. MINGO CONCERN.
MY OFFICE SENT SOMETHING TO LEGAL AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
WE HAVE YET TO HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT EITHER.
AND I HOPE THAT STAFF IS ONLINE LISTENING TO THE
CONCERNS AND HOPEFULLY GET THIS RESOLVED WITH YOU
SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN MORNING, SIR.
09:40:50 >> THANK YOU.
09:40:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CLERK, DID YOU GIVE THE COPY --
THANK YOU.
09:41:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE HONORABLE DIANE HART IS GRACING
OUR PRESENCE THIS MORNING.
WE DON'T GIVE HER A THREE MINUTE -- SHE IS FREE TO GO
AND HERE AND MUST HAVE SERIOUS CONCERN.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
MISS HART, WELCOME.
09:41:13 >> GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING.
I WON'T TAKE UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME.
I KNOW EVERYBODY IS BUSY AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE
HEARD.
BUT I WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING AND I BRING YOU GREETING
FROM THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES BUT TODAY I
STAND FOR YOU AS THE CEO OF EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND
CIVIC ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT AFFORDABLE
HOUSING ORGANIZATION THAT IS DOING BUILDING IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
BUT I GOT A LETTER FROM ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS.
AND I WANTED TO READ THAT TO YOU FIRST AND THEN I WILL
TALK ABOUT THE THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
IT IS FROM MISS FRANKIE JONES, WHO IS PRESIDENT OF THE
RAINBOW HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND HER CONCERN IS THAT AT THE CORNER OF CHELSEA AND
COURTLAND IS A NUISANCE IN THE RAINBOW HEIGHTS
COMMUNITY.
AS A PRESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, SHE HAS
JOINED WITH THE CDC AND THE CITY OF TAMPA TO GET STOP
SIGNS PUT IN.
IF ANY OF YOU ARE OUT IN THE AREA YOU HAVE SEEN THE
STOP SIGNS.
THEY WERE SORELY NEEDED.
TRAFFIC SPED FROM 34TH TO 40TH WITH NO STOP.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY GOT HIT, TYPICALLY IT WAS FATAL.
SO SHE IS CONCERNED THAT -- ABOUT THE NO PARKING SIGNS
AT THE BLUE STORE.
AND SHE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE PARKING AND
STANDING ON THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTY PLAYING LOUD MUSIC,
DRINKING, GAMBLING, URINATING AND ENDING WITH VERBAL
CONFLICTING ISSUES.
SPOKEN WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCILMEN AND THEY HAVE BEEN
DAILY ISSUES AND ARE PROBLEMATIC.
WORKING RESIDENTS ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH THEIR HOMES
BECAUSE OF THE GAMBLING IN THE ROAD.
UNABLE TO REST BECAUSE OF 12 OR MORE HOURS OF WORK
BECAUSE OF LOUD MUSIC AND AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR.
GUN VIOLENCE.
THE RAINBOW HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION IS ASKING FOR TAMPA
POLICE TO PUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND POSSIBLY GO BACK
TO THE BICYCLES.
MANY OF YOU KNOW FOREVER I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LAKE
AND 29TH.
I HEARD THE OFFICER THIS MORNING WHEN HE GOT THE
ACCOMMODATION AND GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE WORK THE TAMPA
PD DOES OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT YOU ALL HAVE TO
REALIZE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES AND A LOT ARE NOT
JUST OUR PEOPLE BUT CODE ENFORCEMENT.
A BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF 22ND AND MARTIN LUTHER
KING, JR.
I HAVE TRIED FOR YEARS TO GET THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING
ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
IT LOOKS DEPLORABLE.
IT NEEDS REPAIR.
AND EVERY SINGLE TIME WE BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL, SOMEHOW
THEY MANAGED TO GET BY WITH THIS THING AND I AM NOT
SURE HOW.
BUT THERE IS SO MUCH HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING A BETTER COMMUNITY.
THE WAY TO BUILD A BETTER COMMUNITY IS FOR IT TO HAVE A
BETTER LOOKING COMMUNITY.
I KNOW WE HAVE A CLEAN TEAM, NEAT TEAM.
I AM NOT SURE WHAT WE ARE CALLING OUR STREAM NOW FROM
THE CRA.
WE HAVE A SEVEN SQUARE MILE.
FOR SOME UNGODLY REASON IT LOOKS LIKE A MESS ALONG OUR
RIGHT-OF-WAYS.
IT SHOULD NOT.
WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS OUT OF OUR CRA.
I AM HOME.
I'M HERE FOR THE NEXT FIVE MONTH.
I INTEND TO ATTEND AS MANY OF YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, C
RA MEETINGS THAT I POSSIBLY CAN TO BETTER UNDERSTAND
WHAT IS REALLY HOLDING US UP AND WHY PER NOT
PROGRESSING THAT I KNOW MANY OF YOU THINK WE SHOULD
ESPECIALLY YOU COUNCILMAN.
I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET BUILDINGS TORN
DOWN IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND GET THESE EYESORES OUT OF
OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT COUNCIL, UNLESS OUR CODE
ENFORCEMENT REALLY CRACKS DOWN ON THESE BUSINESSES AND
MAKE THE BUSINESSES DO BETTER AND LOOK BETTER, WE WILL
CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS ISSUES.
SOME AREAS WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
23RD AND LAKE.
LISTEN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE HANG OUT ON THE
CORNER AND SIT IN FRONT OF BUSINESSES BUT WE COULDN'T
DO IT IF THE BUSINESSES DID NOT ALLOW IT.
SO YOU ALL REALLY -- WE NEED TO BE CRACKING DOWN ON OUR
BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT DOING THEIR PART.
WE LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO EAST TAMPA.
AS YOU CAN SEE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT EVERYWHERE.
I ALWAYS SAY TO EVERYBODY, I WON'T KNOW EAST TAMPA AS
EAST TAMPA IN FIVE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF
GROWTH WE ARE GETTING FOR HOUSING, BUT WE NEED ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT MOVING IN HERE.
AND I CAN TELL OUT AS A FORMER BUSINESS OWNER, NOBODY
WANTS TO MOVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY IF THEY DON'T THINK
LOOKS GOOD.
LOOKS ARE IMPORTANT.
BEAUTIFICATION IS CRITICAL.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK WHAT TECO IS
DOING TO OUR TREES IN THE COMMUNITY.
I REACHED OUT TO THE LOBBYIST FOR TECO, IT IS
DEPLORABLE.
THEY CUTTING OFF THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF OUR TREES TO
CLEAR THE LINES BUT LEAVING THE TREES LOOKING A MESS.
THERE IS SO MANY ISSUES IN EAST TAMPA, BUT I GET IT.
WE HAVE TO BITE THEM OFF THE ELEPHANT, RIGHT, ONE SMALL
BITE AT A TIME.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO DO IS ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, THAT YOU -- THAT THEY
STEP UP.
MY OFFICE SITS AT 2814 NORTH 22ND.
DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, A HOUSE THAT WAS
GOING TO BE RENOVATED.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO SOMEBODY ABOUT IT.
THEY CAN NOT TELL ME WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT RIDES
AROUND, THEY DON'T SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
I NEED PEOPLE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ROLES
TOO, JUST AS WE EXPECT OUR CONSTITUENTS AND OUR
NEIGHBORS AND LOVED ONES WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO
DO, WE NEED THE CITY OFFICIALS WHEN THEY ARE IN THOSE
CARS AND THEY SEE THIS STUFF, THEY NEED TO REPORT IT
AND TAKE CARE OF IT.
WE NEED A BETTER LOOKING COMMUNITY.
IF WE EXPECT BUSINESSES TO WANT TO COME INTO OUR
COMMUNITY.
SO I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE BUSINESS AT 22ND AND DR. MARTIN
LUTHER KING, JR.
40 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING WITH LAKE -- AND LAKE
AND 29.
YOU ALL KNOW WHERE IT IS.
WE ALL KNOW.
COME ON, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO SPUR GROWTH.
THE BUILDING IS NOW DOWN.
I AM HOPING THAT YOU ALL WILL CONTINUE TO ACQUIRE THESE
PROPERTIES SO THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOING ON IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY AT LAKE AND 22ND.
I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO WITH IT.
BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL.
LET'S GET TO DEVELOPING SOME OF OUR VACANT PROPERTIES
AND BUSINESSES.
STOP OUR -- STOP ME.
I AM A DEVELOPER.
WE DON'T NEED TO PUT ANY HOUSES ON OUR MAIN THOROUGH
FARES.
WE NEED COMMERCIAL ON THESE PROPERTIES.
SO I BEG YOU ALL.
LET'S STOP PUTTING -- LET'S STOP PEOPLE PUTTING HOUSES
EVERYWHERE, AND LET'S CREATE A BUSINESS DISTRICT INSIDE
OF OUR VERY OWN COMMUNITY.
LOOK, SO I TALKED ABOUT THE CRA A LITTLE BIT AND THE
TREES 37 SO WHAT I ASK FOR YOU ALL TO DO IS, LET'S
UNITE.
AS A LEGISLATOR, I'M HERE TO HELP YOU ANY WAY I CAN
FROM TALLAHASSEE.
I LOOKED AT YOUR AGENDA.
YOU HAVE SIDEWALKS.
YOU ALL MIGHT KNOW I HAD IS IT IN THE BUDGET.
GOVERNOR TOOK IT OUT.
IT WILL COME BACK AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M HERE FOR YOU TO FIGHT
WITH YOU FROM TALLAHASSEE IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN.
I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING MY WORK ON THE GROUND AS
LONG AS I AM HOME AND EVEN WHEN I AM NOT HERE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO ME.
BOTH OUR CITIZENS AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I AM ALWAYS HERE TO DO MY PART.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME THIS
MORNING.
BUT LET'S BAND TOGETHER AND DEVELOPMENT EAST TAMPA AS
THE OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS ARE BEING DEVELOPED.
WE SEEM TO BE THE LAST ONE LEFT.
IT IS OUR TURN.
SO LET'S STEP UP, EVERYBODY.
INCLUDING MYSELF.
AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THIS A BETTER COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
09:48:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SEE IF ANY COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE
ANYTHING TO SAY AND I WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:48:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE SPOKE ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE -- WHEN SHE MENTIONED "WORKING
TOGETHER."
WE HAVE A FIGHTER IN TALLAHASSEE AS A REPRESENTATIVE.
WE HAVE A WONDERFUL COUNCILMEMBER THAT REPRESENTS THE
DISTRICT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS -- AS
HAS BEEN SAID, UNITING AND TRYING REVITALIZE EAST
TAMPA.
I AM NOT GAWKING ABOUT GENTRIFICATION BUT LIFTING UP
THE COMMUNITY, LOOK BACK AT THE LAST 20 YEARS.
HISTORIC HYDE PARK YOU COULDN'T GET A LOAN FROM THE
BANK TO BUY A HOUSE.
IT WAS RED LINED.
NOW LOOK AT HYDE PARK.
TAMPA HEIGHTS.
WAS NOT THE TAMPA HEIGHTS AND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
WHAT IS IT TAKE?
PEOPLE BELIEVING IN THE COMMUNITY, INVESTORS COMING
TOGETHER AND LIFTING THE COMMUNITY UP.
WE WORK TOGETHER FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THE STATE
REPRESENTATIVE, THE CITY COUNCIL AND EVEN THE COUNTY
COMMISSION, AND FOCUS ON EAST TAMPA AS A WHOLE.
IT IS THE LARGEST CRA.
WE HAVE THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND PUT THE FOCUS ON AND
PUT A VISION TOGETHER FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO LIFT IT UP,
NOT TO PUSH PEOPLE OUT, BUT TO LIFT PEOPLE UP.
TO OFFER THEM A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE AND WHETHER IT
IS A MARKETING PLAN FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE TO
BRING BUSINESSES.
WHETHER THEY ARE MOM AND POP OR LARGER CORPORATIONS TO
INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY AND LOOK AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING
TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY SO THEY ARE NOT PRICED
OUT.
BUT AN AREA THAT IS ALWAYS FORGOTTEN.
THE FOCUS AND EMPHASIS HAVE BEEN ON OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY FLOURISH AND EAST
TAMPA IS ALWAYS BEHIND.
I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO
MAKE THAT EFFORTS TOGETHER TO LIFT THAT COMMUNITY UP.
THANK YOU.
09:50:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SAW MR. CITRO.
I SAW YOUR HAND?
09:51:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
09:51:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, MR. CARLSON, MR. VIERA.
09:51:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE, FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR
ATTENTION.
EVERY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU.
TIM MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE TALKED TO YOU.
AND HOPEFULLY SET UP SOMETHING NEXT WEEK TO ADDRESS ALL
THE ISSUES YOU BROUGHT FORWARD TO US.
YOU ARE CORRECT, WITHOUT BUSINESSES BEING IN THE
COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY CANNOT BE A WHOLE.
BUT WE NEED TO DISCUSS ALL THE ISSUES.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU, HOPEFULLY NEXT
WEEK.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING SIDEWALKS ON YOUR AGENDA.
WE LIVE IN A CITY WHERE OUR -- OUR SCHOOLS DON'T ALLOW
BUSING WITHIN A TWO-MILE RADIUS WHICH MEANS THAT
CHILDREN HAVE TO WALK IN THE STREETS TO GET TO SCHOOL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR FIGHT ON THAT.
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:51:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:51:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
I ECHO THE SAME THINGS.
WOULD LOVE TO MEET AND CATCH UP SOMETIMES.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS NOT ONLY WAS EAST TAMPA IGNORED
BUT ALL THE CITIES EXCEPT FOR DOWNTOWN WAS IGNORED FOR
EIGHT YEARS AND TRYING TO BRING BUDGET AND PLANS BACK
TO THE REST OF THE CITY AND BRING EQUITY TO THE REST OF
THE CITY BUT IN PARTICULAR, WE HAVE ALL BEEN FOCUSING
ON EAST TAMPA.
I AM ACCUSING SOUTH TAMPA OF TALKING TO MUCH OF EAST
TAMPA.
WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF CHAIR GUDES.
WORKING ON SOLUTIONS AND TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
LEADERS AND OTHERS AND UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE
SHRINKING OF THE MEDIA NOT A LOT OF COVERAGE OF SOME OF
THE THINGS WE ARE DOING AND WITH US HAVING DISCUSSIONS
WITH YOU AND THE COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE WITH HEAR MORE
OF THE THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
SOME OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED.
MANY OF THE THINGS YOU ARE MENTION RIGHT SIDE UNDER THE
MAYOR'S PURVIEW AND I AM SURE YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH HER
AS WELL.
WITH OUR HATS AS CITY COUNCILMEMBERS AND CRA BOARD, WE
ARE TRYING TO MOVE THESE THINGS FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS
POSSIBLE.
ONE THING -- I CAN TALK TO YOU OFF LINE.
ONE THING THAT BUGS ME ON THE AGENDA.
LAST -- LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SENATE PRESIDENT
PUSHED A BILL -- AN UNFUNDED MANDATE TO FORCE CITIES
FOR RECLAIMED WATER TO CONVERT TO DRINKING WATER.
AND NUMBERS COULD COST THE CITY OF TAMPA RATE PAYERS
$2.5 MILLION TO $6 MILLION AND NO STATE MONEY TO PAY
FOR IT AND TAMPA DOESN'T NEED IT AND HAVE TO SUPPLY
WATER FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
I AM HOPING THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER.
BUT HOPING WE CAN REPEAL IT OR EXTEND THE DEADLINES
BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BENEFIT ARE
THE WATER CONTRACTORS WHO MAKE LOTS OF MONEY OFF OF
THAT.
A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY AND CAN DOUBLE OR MORE THE
WATER BILLS.
LAST YEAR AND A COUPLE OF YEARS WE INCREASED WATER
RATES AND GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM FAMILIES LIVING
MONTH TO MONTH AND WEEK TO WEEK AND COULDN'T AFFORD THE
RAISES AND ANOTHER HUGE INCREASE IN WATER RATES BECAUSE
SOMEBODY IN TALLAHASSEE THINKS WE SHOULD DRINK POTTY
WATER AND SPEND $6 BILLION.
A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY AND HURTS ALL OF THE
COMMUNITIES IN.
09:54:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND THEN MR. DINGFELDER.
09:54:14 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I APPRECIATE IT.
I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE WORK Y'ALL DO IN TALLAHASSEE.
I HAD A GREAT TOWN HALL WITH OUR FRIEND, A WOMAN LIKE
YOU THAT I THINK SO HIGHLY OF, REPRESENTATIVE DRISCOL
AND GAVE AN UPDATE ON THE SUMMARY WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN
DOING IN TALLAHASSEE.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IS SAILING AGAINST THE
WIND.
YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING?
SAILING AGAINST THE WINDS.
A LOT OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IS HAVING THE COURAGE TO
VOTE NO ON THINGS.
BILLS THAT ARE SET-UPS.
BILLS THAT ARE SET-UPS AND WHATNOT AND YOU VOTE NO WITH
CONVICTION AND YOU VOTE YES TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITH
CONVICTION, COURAGE AND STRENGTH.
I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
SO MANY OF OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES LEARNED IT.
VALDEZ.
SENATOR CRUZ, AMONG MANY OTHERS.
REPRESENTATIVE DRISCOL AND YOURSELF, ETC.
JUST FOR WHAT YOU DO IN TALLAHASSEE.
IT IS NOT EASY.
IT IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FIGHT.
AND I JUST HOPE THAT WE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE
SEEN AS A GOOD PARTNER FOR YOU IN WHAT YOU DO.
YOU KNOW WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE CHAIRMAN GUDES WITH
US.
HIS FIRST YEAR, YOU TALK ABOUT A MARK MAGUIRE ROOKIE
YEAR.
HE GOT IN $18 MILLION FOR -- FOR EAST TAMPA REC CENTER.
YOU KNOW.
TALK ABOUT A ROOKIE YEAR, RIGHT.
THAT -- THAT IS JUST MARVELOUS AND SALUTE THE CHAIRMAN
FOR THAT AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS.
BUT WE JUST HOPE WE ARE HERE AS A GOOD PARTNER FOR
ECONOMIC MOBILITY AND TURNING EAST TAMPA AND ALL PARTS
OF OUR CITY THAT ARE DISADVANTAGED AS A PLACE WHERE
JOBS ARE CREATED, WHERE BUSINESSES CAN COME AND
FLOURISH, ETC.
AND WHERE PEOPLE SEE EAST TAMPA AS A PLACE TO INVEST
BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THEY CAN MAKE MONEY.
THAT IS WHERE THEY CAN HAVE PROFITS FOR THEIR
BUSINESSES.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT -- THAT IS THE INCENTIVE IN OUR
SOCIETY.
AND THE MESSAGE IS THAT EAST TAMPA IS OPEN FOR
BUSINESS.
AND THAT IT IS GOOD PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS
WHO ARE THERE FOR SPENDING POWER AND WHO CAN SPEND IT
IN THE COMMUNITY AT THESE BUSINESSES.
AND WE ARE HERE TO -- TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND ALSO FOR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL FOUGHT AGAINST WAS THE
DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF AN APPRENTICESHIP PREEMPTION
BILL, VERSION OF IT PASSED.
WE WILL SEE WHAT IS WITH THAT.
BUT WE PASSED A HISTORIC APPRENTICESHIP BUILD TO CREATE
A BETTER PATHWAY FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS IN SULPHUR
SPRINGS, AND ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA AND GOD WILLING
THAT WILL STICK.
WE HOPE WE ARE GOOD PARTNERS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
WORK AND THAT OF CHAIRMAN GUDES.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
09:56:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:56:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
REPRESENTATIVE HART, THANK YOU FOR
JOINING US HERE TODAY.
WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER A LONG TIME.
I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.
SO GLAD WHEN YOU GOT ELECTED BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WOULD
GO UP THERE AND BE A FIGHTER LIKE ARTHENIA AND OTHERS
IN THE PAST BEFORE YOU.
IT'S INTERESTING, I KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET INTO
IT TODAY BECAUSE -- BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS BEING
SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I DID SEE -- COME ACROSS
OUR DESK THE FACT THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS IT
LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BE ADDRESSING ONE OF THOSE
CONVENIENCE STORES.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE IT IS, BUT IT IS
OBVIOUSLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T PREJUDGE IT UNLESS WE HAVE THAT
HEARING, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION.
AND IF WE HAVE TO SEND A MESSAGE OUT THERE TO THOSE
CONVENIENCE STORES AND THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, YOU
KNOW, THAT ARE CREATING NUISANCES AND PROBLEMS IN THE
COMMUNITY, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT OF TOUGH LOVE.
BUT ANYWAY, DIANA, WE APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH AND THANK
YOU FOR COMING DOWN.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
09:58:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.
09:58:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE JOB YOU DO IN
TALLAHASSEE.
I KNOW YOU ARE ON THE MINORITY SIDE AND SOMETIMES VERY
DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR POINTS ACROSS.
MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME IF YOU WERE A REPUBLICAN,
DEMOCRAT OR WHATEVER, YOU LOOK AT THE SUPPRESSION OF
SOMEONE TRYING TO SUPPRESS INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN
VOTING EARLY OR BY MAIL, AND THEY WANT TO TAKE SOME OF
THAT AWAY, THAT TELLS YOU THIS COUNTRY IS REALLY,
REALLY DIVIDED.
I WILL BE CALLING YOU FROM MY OFFICE TO MAKE AN
APPOINTMENT TO GO SEE YOU.
AND I THINK WE CAN WORK SOME OF THESE THINGS OUT.
SOME WILL TAKE A LITTLE LONGER AND POTTY, POOPY WATER
IS DRANK ALL OVER THE WORLD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:58:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AGAIN, TO CITIZENS OF TAMPA, YOU
KNOW, WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE MISS -- REPRESENTATIVE
HART HERE TODAY AND WE DON'T GIVE HER A TIME LIMIT TO
PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE SHE BRINGS A MESSAGE.
WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO HER MESSAGE AND GIVE DEFERENCE TO
THAT.
MISS HART IS RIGHT ABOUT A LOT.
EMPOWERMENT.
NOT SO MUCH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUT ECONOMIC
EMPOWERMENT.
IN EAST TAMPA, THE RESIDENTS, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE
BECOME EMPOWERED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
MR. MIRANDA SAID LOOK -- LOOK AT ALL THE E-MAILS WE ARE
GETTING OF THE ISSUE OF EAST TAMPA.
WE ALWAYS HAD ISSUES BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE STANDING UP TO
FIGHT IT.
MISS FRANKIE, SHE CALLS ME ALL THE TIME.
IF SHE DOESN'T REACH ME, CALLS THE MAYOR.
WE HAVE ISSUES.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LEGAL.
THEY HAVE A STRATEGY THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING FORTH THAT
MR. DINGFELDER.
WE HAVE TO SEND A MESSAGE.
EAST TAMPA CAN NO LONGER BE THE DUMPING GROUNDS.
NOT PICKING ON BLACK PEOPLE -- THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
LIVING THERE ARE TIRED OF THE SHOOTING.
TIRED OF THE LOUD MUSIC THAT IS CONGREGATING AT SOME OF
THESE ESTALISHMENTS UNTIL LATE, LATE AT NIGHT.
I CAN'T BLAME THEM.
TALK OF GENTRIFICATION.
WE LOOK AT THE HOUSES BEING BUILT.
95% OF THE HOUSES BLACK PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THEM.
THEY ARE LIVING IN THEM, BUT WE NEED AN ECONOMIC
ENGINE.
I SAID THIS WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER.
UNTIL WE DO THINGS WITH 79 AND LAKE WE WILL CONTINUE TO
HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS.
29TH AND LAKE COMING DOWN TO 26TH UP 22ND STREET.
THEN OFF LAKE AVENUE IN THE MIDDLE.
I SAID THIS TO STAFF.
I HAVE TOLD MISS VAN LOAN.
I TOLD THE CHIEF OF STAFF, NEEDS TO BE A TEAM, AN
AGGRESSIVE SEPARATE TEAM FOCUSED ON EAST TAMPA AS IT
DEALS WITH MORTGAGES AS FAR AS LOANS AND DILAPIDATED
BUILDINGS FOR DEMOLITION, HOUSING.
STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN IS COMING, BUT WITH THAT BEING
SAID, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM TO WORK THAT STRATEGIC
ACTION PLAN.
YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT ON A SHELF LIKE IT HAS DONE MANY,
MANY YEARS.
WHEN IT IS DONE HAVE THAT TEAM READY TO GO TO FIGHT ALL
OF THE ISSUES AND HAVE THAT ECONOMIC ENGINE COME WITH
THE BUSINESS DISTRICT.
EVERYBODY HAS A BUSINESS DISTRICT AND WE NEED TO HAVE
ONE AND WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, CHANGE OUR MODEL.
CHANGE WHAT WE ARE DOING.
WE ARE NOT TAKING PEOPLE'S HOMES AND HAVE A PROGRAM --
YOU HEARD ME FROM DAY ONE, THE POLICE OFFICERS,
FIREMEN, GARBAGEMEN, WHEN THEY SEE THE ITEMS NOT JUST
CITE IT UP.
FROM A BROCHURE.
[KNOCKING] -- KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
HOW CAN WE HELP YOU?
WE DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE LIVING BEHIND THE DOOR AND THE
CIRCUMSTANCES.
WE HAVE MONEY TO DEAL WITH ROOFS AND ALL KIND OF STUFF
BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE.
THE DIRECTOR FOR EAST TAMPA WILL BE ON BOARD BECAUSE TO
KNOCK ON THESE DOORS HAVE THE OFFICERS GIVE OUT
BROCHURES AND PAMPHLETS TO FIX THE ROOFS AND HOUSES
REPAIR.
UNTIL YOU FIX THE PROBLEM.
PEOPLE ARE VISUAL.
TAKE KIDS TO OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN THEY COME TO MY COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T ASK WHERE A
TRASH CAN AT.
WHEN THEY GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S -- I HATE TO USE THAT
ANALOGY BECAUSE IT IS BAD AND THE PSYCHE OF THE MIND.
BUT WE ARE VISIONARY PEOPLE.
STAFF IS WORKING ON ISSUES, MISS HART.
WE NEED TO DO MORE.
THINGS AND I ALSO WANT STAFF TO LOOK AT TO UPLIFT THE
COMMUNITY OF EAST TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR COMING.
LETS RESIDENTS KNOW I AM WORKING EVERY DAY.
THIS COUNCIL IS BEHIND ME TO WORK TO GET THE PROBLEMS
SOLVED.
THE MAYOR IS GENUINE WANTING TO DO THE SAME THING.
WE NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND UNIFY AND GET THE MESSAGE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN MORNING.
10:03:11 >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
ALSO, Y'ALL, LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THE HOMELESS
POPULATION.
A SERIOUS HOMELESS ISSUE.
LET'S WORK ON THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
YOU SOON.
THANK YOU.
10:03:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:03:44 >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
THIS CONSTANT ATTEMPT TO DIVIDE THE RESIDENTS OF EAST
TAMPA AS TO THOSE WHO ARE HOMEOWNERS, APARTMENT
RENTERS, DEVELOPERS, PEOPLE THAT MIGHT LIVE WITH GRAND
MAMA.
WE WANT TO STOP THAT.
WE LOVE ALL RESIDENTS OF EAST TAMPA.
WE WANT TO SEE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY UP LIFTED.
EAST TAMPA HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE.
BELMONT HEIGHT, JACKSON HEIGHT.
NOAH VIEW HILL.
A COMMUNITY THAT IS ALMOST -- YOU CAN FIND THOSE
COMMUNITIES ALMOST EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY AND ANY OTHER
CITY.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE THINGS HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY DONE TO LEAD OUR
WHOLE COMMUNITIES FROM PROSPERING.
DON'T PUT IT ON THE PEOPLE.
ON YOUR AGENDA YOU HAVE WORDS IN ITEM NUMBER 7 AND 8
THAT YOU WANT TO LOOK INTO SOMETHING.
YOU WANT TO HAVE THINGS EXPLAINED TO YOU.
YOU WANT THE STAFF TO COME BACK AND REPORT.
I WOULD HOPE IT IS WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY.
SITTING IN EAST TAMPA AND BEING A CHAIR FOR THE LAST
NINE MONTHS HAS GIVEN ME AS AN ACTIVIST A CLEAR
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THINGS ARE DELIBERATELY PUT ON
HOLD.
26 AVAILABLE LOTS THAT WAS PURCHASED WITH CRA MONEY HAS
BEEN LAID DORMANT.
WHY?
OF REFUSAL TO MOVE FORWARD BY STAFF.
AND, SO, YES, IT SOUNDS GOOD.
I KNOW THE MAYOR IS OUT THIS MORNING IN EAST TAMPA
PROMOTING A ONE HOUSE REBUILD WHEN SO MANY RESIDENTS IN
EAST TAMPA NEED HELP.
YOU CAN DO BETTER IF YOU WANTED TO.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOUD MUSIC, I -- I COME TO THIS
COUNCIL EVERY WEEK AND HEAR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS TALKING
ABOUT SAME ISSUES.
WE AIN'T TALKING OF INCARCERATING OR SHUTTING DOWN
BUSINESS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPASSIONATE WORK WITH
PEOPLE.
WHEN WE TALK OF EAST TAMPA AND HEARD THE SAME BODY AND
LEADERSHIP THAT JUST LEFT TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WAS GOING
TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE KILLINGS IN EAST TAMPA.
WE LEAVE OUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE GOT A SERIOUS MENTAL
HEALTH CRISIS IN EAST TAMPA AS LONG AS -- ALONG WITH
SYSTEMIC POVERTY.
AND THE PRESIDENT UNDERSTAND THAT.
TO GET RID OF BOTH OF THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED?
BE INFUSION OF INCOME, WEALTH, JOBS, OPPORTUNITY FOR
BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.
INSTEAD OF JUST ONGOING RHETORIC.
10:07:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MISS BURTON.
10:07:04 >> AFRICAN QUEEN.
10:07:06 >> AND YOU ARE THE AFRICAN KING.
10:07:07 >> THANK YOU, SISTER.
I NEEDED THAT.
GOOD MORNING, MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
YOU KNOW WHAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS ARE, HISTORICALLY
WHAT HAPPENS IS ANY TIME YOU HAVE SERIAL RAPISTS,
SERIAL CHILD MOLESTERS, SERIAL PEDOPHILES, THEY INSERT
THEMSELVES RIGHT IN SOCIETY.
INSERT THEMSELVES RIGHT IN ORGANIZATIONS.
INSERT THEMSELVES IN THE INSTITUTIONS AND DO WHAT THEY
DO.
THE WHITE PEOPLE SITTING THROUGH WITH ORLANDO GUDES,
THEY ARE ALLOWING HIM TO INSERT HIMSELF.
THE WHITE PEOPLE WITH DIANE HART AND TALKING OF THE
NONSENSE OF PEOPLE PISSING ON THE SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE
GAMBLING AND POLITICIANS NOT TALKING OF REPARATIONS AND
POWER AND BLACK PEOPLE GETTING POWER, TALKING ABOUT
GARBAGE.
THE WHITE PEOPLE SITTING THROUGH AND ALLOW THEM TO PIMP
AFRICAN PEOPLE WITH THE SAME KNOWLEDGE THAT ALLOWED
PERRY HARVEY AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO SIT UP THERE AND
PARTICIPATE IN THAT NONSENSE.
Y'ALL ARE DISINGENUOUS AND Y'ALL ARE DISHONEST.
THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE.
THE GARBAGEMAN IN THE FORM OF ORLANDO GUDES SAYING HE
IS NOT AFRICAN.
THAN WHAT IS HE?
IF HE IS NOT AFRICAN LIKE THE GAY PEOPLE TO REPRESENT
THE HOMOSEXUAL AND INTEREST AND THEY COME OUT OF PUBLIC
SAY I AM NOT GAY, I DON'T REPRESENT YOUR INTERESTS.
I DON'T REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF AFRICA.
I NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA.
I AM BLACK.
MAN, GROW UP AND HAVE SOME SENSE.
BLACK POLITICIANS ARE NOT TALKING OF REPARATIONS.
BLACK POLITICIANS ARE NOT TALKING OF REAL BLACK POWER.
BLACK POLITICIANS TALKING OF NOON SENSE AND WHITE
POLITICIANS SITTING WITH THEM AND TALKING THE NONSENSE
WITH THEM.
GARBAGE TALKERS.
TALKING OF PEOPLE PISSING ON THE SIDEWALK AND PEOPLE
GAMBLING AND PEOPLE ARE ECONOMICALLY OPPRESSED.
WE HAVE BEEN ECONOMICALLY OPPRESSED FOR 621 YEARS.
AIN'T NOBODY TALKING OF REPARATIONS.
THE BLACK MAN IN DISTRICT 5 TALKING ABOUT BLACK
PEOPLE'S INTEREST WHERE WE EXPERIENCE POLICE VIOLENCE.
WE EXPERIENCE POLICE VIOLENCE AND HE VOTED LIKE A
POLICE SNITCH.
WE NEED HIM OUT OF OFFICE, Y'ALL.
WE NEED TO RECALL HIM.
THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
IF BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T TALKING REPARATIONS, IF BLACK
POLITICIANS ARE NOT TALKING BLACK POWER, THROW THEM OUT
OF OFFICE, EACH AND EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM FROM THE TOP
TO THE BOTTOM.
WEEK AFTER WEEK TALKING NONSENSE, GARBAGE.
REC CENTERS.
ROUNDABOUTS.
GARBAGE.
NOTHING MORE BUT GARBAGE.
OUR KIDS GETTING KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL.
OUR YOUTH GETTING PUT IN POLICE HANDS AND IN THE POLICE
STATE AND Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT, ROUNDABOUTS.
PEOPLE PISSING ON THE SIDEWALK, LOUD MUSIC.
Y'ALL ARE IGNORANT, IGNORANT BLACK, UGLY POLITICIANS.
THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE.
EACH AND EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU UGLY.
AND YOU SHOW IT.
10:10:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
FIRED UP TODAY.
10:10:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE?
10:10:53 >> HELLO.
I AM SOVEREIGN DESPOT, HOLDER IN DUE COURSE.
KING JOHNNY BERNARD BOOTH HALL, UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE
1-308.
I AM THE NORTH AMERICAN HEAD LEADER.
I AM NOT A COMMERCIAL ENTITY.
I AM THE ACTUAL LIVING GOVERNMENT.
AND WATCHING ALL OF YOUR COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, YOUR BLACKS AND WHITES ARE GETTING MORE
FRUSTRATED, SO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REVEAL THE
TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.
LIKE -- OKAY.
WHITES AND BLACKS STILL CLASHING.
I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD THE WHOLE WORLD WAS
PLACED UNDER BABYLONIAN SLAVERY.
EVERY STATE, EVERY COUNTRY, EVERY PLACE YOU ARE.
YOU ARE DEALING WITH LEADERS FROM THE OLD WAY OF
THINKING THAT THEY ARE STILL HOLDING YOU UNDER SOME
BABYLONIAN LOCKDOWN THING THINKING THAT ALL OF YOU ARE
SINNERS AND AGAINST -- AND HAVE BEEN CHASING AFTER THE
WICKED WAYS OF RELIGION AND PROFIT.
OUT OF DECRONOID, WHAT YOU CALL MONEY, DOLLARS AND THIS
AND THAT.
NOT AWARE THAT REAL MONEY WAS NEVER ALLOTTED OR GIVEN
TO THE WORKERS OR GIVEN TO THE ENSLAVED OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT.
EVERYTHING IS BORROWED LIKE HERE IN AMERICA.
ALL OF THE HOUSES ARE BORROWED.
ALL OF YOUR CARS ARE BORROWED.
INCLUDING YOUR MONEY AND THIS AND THAT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS FROM YOU BUT DO NEED TO
GET ALONG AND START HELPING I'M OTHER AND STOP HURTING
EACH OTHER AND STOP DRAGGING AROUND HALF-TRUTHS AND
COME TOGETHER WITH FULL TRUTHS.
AFRICANS, YOU GUYS ARE CALLED NEW BEGINNINGS.
THAT BECAME AFRICA WHEN EUROPE TOOK IT OVER.
YOU ARE A NUBIAN.
WAKE UP TO WHO YOU ARE.
SAME THING WITH MY NATIVE-AMERICANS, INDIGENOUS, LIKE
ME, CHEROKEE, SEMINOLE, OUR HOUSEHOLDS ARE HERE TO HELP
RAISE YOU OUT OF THE FILTH AND DARKNESS THAT YOU ARE
STUCK IN.
WE DON'T MEAN NO HARM TO YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU RUN AROUND
SCARED AND FEARED THAT THAT IS WHAT THE DEAL WITH.
AS FAR AS MARY JANE, JOE BIDEN AND ALL OF THEM GO, THEY
ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TRANSITIONING Y'ALL FROM LOCKDOWN TO
ACTUAL FREEDOM.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING FREEDOM TALKS.
YOU ARE NOT FREE.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING INDEPENDENT TALKS.
YOU ARE NOT INDEPENDENT.
YOU GUYS ARE STILL STUCK UNDER THE EUROPEAN POWER.
YOU STILL AFRAID --
10:13:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
10:14:03 >> THAT WAS THE FINAL SPEAKER.
10:14:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY REGISTERED, MADAM CLERK?
10:14:08 >>CLERK:
YES, GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
THE FIRST SPEAKER IS KATHLEEN FARMIGON.
IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, UNMUTE YOURSELF YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:14:23 >> THANK YOU, MY NAME IS KATHY FARZANEGAN, A RESIDENT
OF DAVIS ISLAND.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS MORNING.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CITY STAFF FOR HOSTING A MEETING
ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT ISSUE, LACHONE DOCK AND ABBYE
FEELEY HAVE BEEN SO HELPFUL IN PARTICULAR OF ANSWERING
OUR QUESTIONS AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPRESS
OUR CONCERNS.
FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE ACTIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS, THE MICHELINI-LUM TEXT AMENDMENT RAISES
ALARM.
IT ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TO BYPASS THE EXISTING PROCESSES
RELATED TO LAND USE CODE AND RECEIVE BLANKET APPROVAL
TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES, DECREASE SETBACKS
BETWEEN BUILDINGS, AND BEFORE THE PROVISION WAS
REMOVED, EVEN TO RAISE THE HEIGHT OF POOLS TO GRAY,
MEANING YOUR NEIGHBOR'S NEW POOL COULD BE AT THE HEIGHT
OF YOUR SIX-FOOT FENCE.
THE SESSION THAT CITY STAFF HELD ALLOWED US TO COMMENT
ON THE ISSUES AND RESULTED IN THE REMOVAL OF SOME OF
THESE ITEMS.
OUR ABILITIES TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS IS CRITICAL AS
CITIZENS.
THE ONLY RATIONALE FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT SEEMS TO BE
TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR DEVELOPERS TO INCREASE THE MASS
OF THEIR BUILDINGS WITHOUT A WAY FOR NEIGHBORS TO
EXPRESS THEIR -- THEIR CONCERNS AND INTERESTS.
IT SEEMS PRUDENT, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO HEIGHT
AND MASS, TO WAIT TO MAKE CHANGES UNTIL THE RESULT OF
THE MASSING STUDY REQUESTED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNCIL TO PROTECT YOUR NEIGHBORS'
RIGHTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
10:16:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:16:12 >>CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER CAROLL ANN BENNETT.
CARROLL, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:16:20 >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
I COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.
IN ADDITION TO WHAT SHE IS SAID, I ASK YOU TO DROP THE
ADMINISTRATIVE LOT LOADS.
IT IS A BAD IDEA.
A SOLUTION WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
MORE THAN 5% IS TOO MUCH, AND AS ABBYE POINTED OUT, 5%
ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING.
THIS WILL ENCOURAGE MORE APPLICATIONS FOR REZONING, NOT
LESS.
YOU WILL GIVE THEM AN INCH, THEY WILL COME BACK ASKING
FOR A MILE.
THE NEW ARGUMENT WILL BE, IT IS HARDLY MORE THAN AN
ADMINISTRATIVE SPLIT.
IF THIS LOT WAS THREE FEET BIGGER, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
APPROVED AUTOMATICALLY.
SOME PEOPLE IN THE JUNE 7 INFORMATION MEETING WERE IN
FAVOR OF IT.
AS FAR AS I COULD TELL THOSE PEOPLE WERE BUILDERS.
ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO VOICED AN OPINION WERE
AGAINST IT.
CURRENTLY NEIGHBORS HAVE A VOICE.
PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT VOICE AWAY.
THAT PUBLIC MEETING WAS VERY HELPFUL AND CONVINCE $ME
OF TWO THINGS.
ONE, I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE TRUE EFFECT OF THE
ENDMENTS SUBMITTED BY MR. LUM AND MR. MICHELINI EVEN
THOUGH I SAT THROUGHOUT WHOLE THING.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WILL CHANGE IF THE AMENDMENT
PASSES.
WHAT HAPPENS UNDER CURRENT CODE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN
UNDER THEIR MAIN CODE.
IF CITIZENS HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE INFORMATION THAN
THE CHANGES SHOULD NOT GO FORWARD.
THE SECOND THING I DECIDED AFTER THAT MEETING THAT
PRIVATELY INITIATIVE AGREEMENTS NEED TO BE ELIMINATED.
PROFESSIONALS WITH DEEP POCKETS TO CUSTOM TAYLOR THE
CODE FOR THEIR BENEFITS AND ALL THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE
NOT UNDER.
ITEM NUMBER 6 ON THE AGENDA SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS SO
CHILDREN CAN WALK TO SCHOOL SAFELY.
A SHAME THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WASN'T
REQUIRED DECADES AGO.
PLEASE MAKE THIS BUDGET PRIORITY WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
ITEM NUMBER 10, INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.
THERE IS NO TIME LEFT FOR TEMPORARY MEASURE SO LET IT
GO.
WHEN THE TIME COMES, PLEASE PASS THE MEASURE OF THE
COMP PLAN AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR BONUS DENSITY THAT
THEY HAVE TO DO ALL ALONG.
THIS PROPOSAL IS SO BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION I CAN'T
DECIDE WHICH SHAKESPEARE QUOTE TO USE, MUCH ADO ABOUT
NOTHING, A TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT.
DOROTHY GAIL IN KANSAS, LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS, OH,
MY.
AND SOG.
WATER, THERE IS GOOD GROWTH AND BAD GROWTH.
MANY DEVELOPERS PROMOTE THE HAIR ON FIRE APPROACH TO
GROWTH.
THAT IS BAD GROWTH.
IT IS GOOD PROFIT, BUT BAD GROWTH.
THOUGHTFUL, PLANNED, SUSTAINABLE, RESILIENT GROWTH THAT
DOES NOT OUTPACE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT DOES NOT
CRIPPLE THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WITH THE COST OF GROWTH,
THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO DRINK TOILET WATER.
THAT IS GOOD GROWTH.
10:19:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:19:28 >>CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE POYNER.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:19:31 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:19:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, I CAN.
10:19:35 >> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.
IT'S HUGE AGENDA DAY, AND I WILL GO DOWN THE LIST.
YOU HAVE POSTPONED MR. SHELBY'S NUMBER TWO ITEM.
PLEASE GIVE MR. SHELBY HIS LIFE BACK AND GET RID OF IT.
NUMBER 4, PLEASE VOTE NO ON THAT.
NUMBER 5, I SENT YOU A VIDEO.
I SENT IT TO YOU TWICE WITH A PRESENTATION OF -- FROM
THE -- FROM THE 7TH OF JUNE.
SEVEN ITEMS THAT IMPACT THE ENTIRE CITY.
OF ALL THOSE ITEMS, ONLY ONE THAT I DO NOT OPPOSE IS
THE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR DUPLEXES IF THEY ACTUALLY
HAVE TWO-CAR DRIVEWAYS.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO NUMBER 8 AND NUMBER 9 BECAUSE I DON'T
KNOW ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE CRA.
I DID CONFIRM THAT THOSE WERE DISCUSSED WITH THE CRAS
AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.
NUMBER 6, VOTE YES.
THE SIDEWALK.
WEST SHORE ELEMENTARY WAS PROMISED YEARS AGO TO COME
FROM ENGLAND SO THE KIDS CAN GET TO SCHOOL ON TIME.
AZING HOW QUICKLY BAYSHORE CAN GET SIDEWALKS FOR THAT
COMMUNITY, BUT WE SEEM TO NOT FIND ANY MONEY TO DO
THESE OTHERS.
NUMBER 7, HUD HAS NO DEFINITION FOR ESSENTIAL OR
WORKFORCE HOUSING BUT NOT 500-SQUARE-FOOT APARTMENTS AT
$1100 A MONTH.
NUMBER 9, THE WATER THING, JUST SAY NO.
NUMBER 10, I THINK I AM TELLING YOU TO VOTE NO.
WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE IBCO OR OTHERWISE A
MORATORIUM, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT -- TO SOG, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
TO HAVE A TRANSIT CORRIDOR BOUNDARY, A REASON WE HAVE A
BOUNDARY.
WHY WOULD ANYBODY EXTEND THAT.
I WON'T SPECULATE AND I CAN GUESSES, AND I AM GUESSING
THAT PEOPLE WITH PRETTY DEEP POCKETS, BUT CERTAINLY NOT
THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I -- WE HAVE HEARD REPEATEDLY THAT SOG CANNOT BE
TREATED DIFFERENTLY, AND YET SOMEBODY THOUGHT IT WAS
GREAT IDEA TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT THE PEOPLE
OUTSIDE THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS CAN ACTUALLY BE TREATED
DIFFERENTLY.
HMM ... GO FIGURE.
LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, T.H.A.N., I WANT TO GIVE
YOU AN UPDATE, THE TAMPA HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS OF
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY ARE HAVING THEIR ELECTION ON ALL 14.
FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS
AND LISTENING TODAY.
PLEASE REACH OUT TO US.
WE HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE GROUP FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A NEW WEB SITE.
AND WE HAVE E-MAILS THAT ARE COMING OUT ON A FAIRLY
REGULAR BASIS AND WE ARE WORKING ON COMMUNICATE WITH
ALL CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HELPING THEM WITH
THEIR -- THEIR NEED THAT AFFECT EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:22:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:22:31 >>CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER IS JEAN STROHMEYER.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:22:33 >> HELLO.
A BIG AGENDA FOR THIS WORKSHOP MORNING.
HELLO, EVERYBODY, I AM JEAN STROHMEYER.
I AM SOUTH OF GANDY.
SEVERAL ITEMS HERE.
TWO OR THREE HAVE BEEN POSTPONED.
WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT
ENDMENT.
THAT IS ANOTHER THING.
LET'S SEE, ITEM NUMBER 4 -- EXCUSE ME.
THE LOTS, HAVING THAT DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WE THINK THAT IS A VERY BAD IDEA.
IF SOMEONE NEXT DOOR TO ME WANTS TO SPLIT A LOT, I
SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT NOT PEOPLE IN THE
AUDIENCE THAT DON'T KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DO NOT
KNOW -- YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW THE DYNAMICS.
THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
AND CITY COUNCIL AND ZONING.
NUMBER 7 IS -- THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I JUST THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A SMARTER WAY,
BUT PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS AND I
DON'T MEAN THAT IN A CONDESCENDING WAY.
I THINK THAT -- WHEN I WAS 15, I LIVED IN A STUDIO AND
IT WAS $400 A MONTH, ONE PAYCHECK WENT TO THE ELECTRIC
AND WATER.
THE NEXT PAYCHECK WENT TO RENT.
AND I DIDN'T EAT OUT.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY BENEFIT.
NUMBER 8, COMPARING TAMPA TO CHICAGO.
I JUST REALLY -- THAT IRKS ME A LOT.
WE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN CHICAGO.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE CHICAGO.
SO WE NEED TO BUILD OUR MODELS ON WHAT WE THE CITIZENS
LIKE AND WHAT WE NEED.
NUMBER 9, TOILET TO TAP.
I SAID IT 100 TIMES.
JUST A BAD IDEA AND IF MR. DINGFELDER SAID, WE HAVE
ENOUGH WATER FOR 20 YEARS.
WHO IS GOING TO BENEFIT -- I AGREE, WHO IS GOING TO
BENEFIT.
FRANKLY IN 20 YEARS, WE DON'T KNOW IF TAMPA WILL BE
HERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE OVERBUILDING IN THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AND OVERBUILDING IN THE PENINSULA AND OUR
POPULATION WILL PROBABLY BE REDUCED BY STORM SURGE AND
HURRICANE DECIMATION.
AND PEOPLE GETTING STUCK IN THEIR CARS TRYING TO LEAVE
THE PENINSULA.
NUMBER 10, THE MORATORIUM THEY SAID WE WANTED THAT.
IF THE NONMORATORIUM, MORATORIUM.
LIKE HE SAID IT HAS HAD ITS HEYDAY AND WE KNOW WHICH
ONES VOTED AGAINST IT AND WE WILL KEEP THAT IN MINDS.
YEAH, THAT IS ABOUT THE FULL AGENDA.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
AND BE SAFE.
10:25:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:25:05 >>CLERK:
THANK YOU.
LAST SPEAKER WE HAVE A THOMAS CONNELLEY.
IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:25:16 >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN GUDES, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
TOM CONNELLEY PRESIDENT OF THE VIRGINIA PARK
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OF
ITEMS 3, 4 AND 5, THE E 2021-8 CHAPTER 27.
VIRGINIA PARK WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT THE PREVIOUS
SPEAKERS ALL SAID AND ASK THAT THE COUNCIL DO AWAY WITH
THE PITA, THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR
THE REASONS MANY SPEAKERS BEFORE ALREADY ARTICULATED.
ISSUES WILL BE WROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL OR LAND
DEVELOPMENT TO INITIATE AN AMENDMENT IF NEEDED,
PROPERLY STAFFED AND ALLOW THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE
AFFECTED AND STAKEHOLDER TO HAVE A SAY AT THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE -- THE
PROPOSAL TO CHANGE ADMINISTRATIVE LOT SPLIT.
AS I STATED IN A LETTER SUBMITTED TO YOU PROPER TO
THIS, VIRGINIA PARK HAS PULLED ITS MEMBERSHIP.
AND WE ARE STRONGLY AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL TO ALLOW
ADMINISTRATIVE SPOTS -- LOT SPLITS AS STATED ON YOUR
AGENDA AND AS VERY WELL ARTICULATED BY THE PREVIOUS
SPEAKERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK AS KATHLEEN DID THE CITY STAFF
AND YOU FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE TO TRY TO EDUCATE
US, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE VIDEO MEETING I
THINK WAS UNPRODUCTIVE IN ONE RESPECT THAT IT DID NOT
ALLOW A TRUE GIVING-AND-TAKE BETWEEN THE STAKEHOLDER
AND THE PRESENTERS.
ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE GOOD WORK
AND EFFORT YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
GOOD DAY.
10:26:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:27:00 >>CLERK:
CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS
PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
10:27:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, DEPUTY CLERK.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE ON FLOOR TWO.
HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE DOWN THERE?
MR. MICHELINI.
10:27:16 >> YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDERS
ASSOCIATION.
WE SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 10 AND
THE REVISITING OF THE MORATORIUM OR BY ANY OTHER NAME,
IT IS THE SAME.
THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN DEBATED.
WE INVESTIGATED THIS AS WELL AND PROVIDED YOU WITH
INFORMATION.
EVERY TIME THIS COMES UP, THE ISSUE REGARDING
EVACUATION OR SAFETY PLANS CONTINUE TO ARISE.
THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ALL WEIGHED IN
INDICATING TO YOU OF WRITTEN REPORTS THAT WE PROVIDED
FOR YOU AND ALSO I BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED
THAT AS WELL.
INDICATING THAT THERE ARE NO ISSUES REGARDING THAT,
THAT THERE ARE PLANS THAT ARE SUFFICIENT.
AND ARE PROVEN TO BE WELL -- WELL THOUGHT OUT AND WELL
PLANNED AND TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO
ISSUE AND EVEN ANTICIPATED THAT WOULD CAUSE INDIVIDUALS
NOT TO BE ABLE TO EVACUATE DURING THE TIME OF
EMERGENCY.
NO PRECEDENT ESTABLISHED FOR URGENCY TO ADOPT THIS.
ASSUMING FROM THE STAFF REPORT THAT PEOPLE WALK A
QUARTER OF A MILE, I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE NUMEROUS
SERVICE INDUSTRIES WITH MORE THAN A QUARTER MILE AND
WITHIN THE QUARTER MILE TO DRIVE TO A AND SCOOTER --
AND TRANSIT MEANS TO GET THERE.
SO THE STUDY ON THE FACE OF IT DOES NOT REALLY ADDRESS
THE ISSUE.
I THINK THAT THE EMPIRICAL DATA THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED
FROM THOSE AGENCIES, THE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS THE TRANSMIT THE DEPARTMENT
ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED IT.
NO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, WITH A MORATORIUM IN
THIS CASE AND ALLOW THE PROCESS TO WORK.
IT IS IN THE PROCESS NOW OF GOING TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION AND FOR INPUT AS WELL AS
STUDY.
AND WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN
INSTEAD OF ANOTHER INTERIM MEASURE THAT WOULD FURTHER
CONFUSE THE PROCESS AND ALSO SEND THE WRONG MESSAGE TO
THE COMMUNITY INCLUDING THOSE FINANCE INDIVIDUALS WHO
WERE TRYING TO MOVE HERE, INVEST HERE AND MAKE TAMPA A
BETTER PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK.
SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AGAIN, YOU RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM ME AS WELL AS SOME
OTHER FOLKS OUTLINING THOSE ISSUES IN MORE DETAIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:29:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
10:29:57 >> NO MORE SPEAKER AT THIS TIME.
10:29:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
GENTLEMEN WE WILL GO AHEAD -- WE ALREADY CONTINUED
ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 3.
GO TO ITEM NUMBER 4.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED MR. SHELBY.
MISS ZELMAN IS HERE.
YES, SIR.
10:30:20 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
GOOD MORNING, ANDREW ZELMAN,
ASSISTANT DEPUTY ATTORNEY.
MR. SHELBY ASKED THAT I BE HERE JUST TO REMIND YOU ALL.
BACK IN APRIL WHEN GOVERNOR DESANTIS ISSUED 21-94
EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT EXTENDED THE STATEWIDE COVID STATE
OF EMERGENCY THAT BEGAN MARCH 9 OF 2020.
THAT ORDER, 21-94 EXTENDED THE STATEWIDE STATE OF
EMERGENCY FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS.
AT THAT TIME, THE GOVERNOR INCLUDED LANGUAGE IN THE
ORDER TO HAVE THE LAST EXTENSION.
THE REPAIR TO RESUME NONEMERGENCY OPERATIONS.
HE HAS MADE OTHER COMMENTS IN PUBLIC INDICATING THAT HE
WOULD NOT EXTEND THE STATEWIDE STATE OF EMERGENCY AFTER
THIS WEEKEND.
OF COURSE WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE KNOW CONTACTED MARLEY
WILKES TO CONTACT OTHERS IN TALLAHASSEE AND WILL LET
THE EMERGENCY ORDER TO EXPIRE.
AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO LOCALLY DERIVE
FROM AND FLOW DOWN FROM OUR BEING FOR A STATEWIDE STATE
OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT.
SO, AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT.
FRIDAY NIGHT AND THE STATEWIDE EMERGENCY WILL EXPIRE
AND WITH THAT, I WILL LET MR. SHELBY FOLLOW UP.
10:32:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MISS ZELMAN, MARTIN
SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.
2020-241 THAT THE EMERGENCY RULES OF PROCEDURES FOR THE
CONDUCT OF MEETINGS WITH THE USE OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA
TECHNOLOGY OR CMT TERMINATE AUTOMATICALLY WHEN THE
GOVERNOR'S DECLARATION OF THE STATE OF EMERGENCY
RELATING TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC EXPIRES.
THANK YOU.
10:32:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
SO MR. SHELBY, GO BACK TO THE LECTERN, PLEASE.
SO DURING OUR CONVERSATION, THAT TELLS ME WHEN IT
EXPIRES, WE ARE BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL, CORRECT?
10:32:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS YOUR RULES OPERATE AUTOMATICALLY,
YES, SIR, THAT IS TRUE.
10:32:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY COUNCILMEMBER WANT TO CHIME ON.
IF IT EXPIRES, I WILL CONSTRUCT MR. SHELBY AND THE
MAINTENANCE TO GO AHEAD, AND WE GO BACK TO BUSINESS.
10:33:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF IS THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL.
WE WILL DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS ON SATURDAY.
10:33:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
ANYBODY WANT TO SAY OR ADD AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT
BECAUSE WHEN IT EXPIRES, I WILL TELL MR. SHELBY FOR
STAFF TO GO BACK.
10:33:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON.
10:33:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE NEED TO GET BACK TO REGULAR RULES
AND BUSINESS.
10:33:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BACK TO NORMAL AS THINGS WORK.
10:33:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:33:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO, I THINK WE HAD SOME -- SOME
INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS IN TERMS OF OUR PROCESS AND
PROCEDURE THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS, YOU KNOW,
OTHERWISE TRAGIC EMERGENCY THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN
INVOLVED IN FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE -- YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, IF FOLKS WANTED TO GIVE
US COMMENT, THEY HAD TO COME DOWN HERE AND, YOU KNOW,
SOMETIMES WAIT FOR HALF HOUR, HOUR OR MORE TO PROVIDE
COMMENT DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WOULD COMMENT ON.
IN THE INTERIM, WE DEVELOPED VARIOUS PROCESSES THAT
ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT TELEPHONICALLY OR IN
THE CASES -- IN THE CASE OF OUR ZONING CASES THEY ARE
ABLE TO COME IN THROUGH THE VIDEO OR ZOOM PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH
THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE JUST SAY LET'S GO
BACK TO WHERE WE WERE.
BECAUSE IN THIS AGE OF TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, THAT --
THAT PROVIDES THE COMMUNITY A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO
BE ABLE TO GIVE US INPUT.
WHETHER OR NOT IT IS LEGISLATIVE OR ADMINISTRATIVE
MATTERS OR -- OR, LIKE I SAID WITH REZONINGS.
SO -- YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO
WHEN AND HOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, AND MR.
SHELBY PROCEDURALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO MODIFY
OUR RULES TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THAT OR IF THEY ARE
ALREADY CODIFIED AND PERMANENT.
10:35:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEY ARE.
OFF RESOLUTION CREATED SPECIFICALLY PURSUANT TO THE
STATE OF EMERGENCY.
AND THOSE RULES AS YOU HAVE BEEN OPERATING USES CMT
AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRE UPON THE EXPIRATION OF THE STATE
OF EMERGENCY, AND YOU REVERT BACK TO THE RULES OF
PROCEDURES AS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED BEFORE THE STATE OF
EMERGENCY.
10:35:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT IS MY POINT.
I THINK SOME OF THOSE RULES THAT WE HAD ADOPTED AS AN
INTERIM IN A TEMPORARY MEASURE THAT DO ENCOURAGE AND
FACILITATED, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD
BE KEPT IN FORCE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND I THINK THAT -- THAT IS A VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSION
FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE.
10:36:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO
PROCEED, SIR.
DISCUSSION IS GOOD.
I DON'T A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WHEN THE ORDER EXPIRES AND ARE WE ARE BACK TO BUSINESS.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED
TO BE A VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
LETTING COUNCIL DISCUSSION IT.
MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:36:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY
AND THE STATE OF EMERGENCY AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE THAT
HAS BEEN INCURRED TECHNOLOGICALLY AND ALSO WITH REGARD
TO STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES.
FOR INSTANCE, THE TNI DEPARTMENT HAS -- HAS EXERTED A
LOT OF EFFORTS TO KEEP THIS UP AND RUNNING AND IT IS
CERTAINLY UP WORTHY OF DISCUSSION BUT ALSO IT COMES
WITH SOME COST.
IN ADDITION, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF THE LENGTH OF
YOUR MEETINGS AND LENGTH OF YOUR REZONINGS AND JUST IN
KEEP IN MIND THE USE OF CMT, WE HAVE LEARNED, ADDS
TIME, PHYSICAL LENGTH OF TIME TO THE CONDUCT OF YOUR
MEETINGS WHICH IMPACTS YOUR ABILITY TO WORK THROUGHOUT
CASES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM NOT TAKING A POSITION ONE
WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT JUST TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION
TODAY WHEN THE STATE OF EMERGENCY EXPIRES, DO SO YOUR
RULES OF PROCEDURES GOVERNING THE USE OF CMT AND AGAIN
TODAY MEETING IS THE LAST MEETING BEFORE COUNCIL
RESUMES ON JULY 15.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO GOVERN OURSELVES ACCORDINGLY UNLESS
COUNCIL WISHES TO TAKE SPECIFIC DIRECTION TODAY.
10:37:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU RECOGNIZED, SIR, AND MR. VIERA.
10:37:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WILL REFER TO LUIS BECAUSE I
ALREADY SPOKE AND CIRCLE BACK AND RESPOND TO MR.
SHELBY'S COMMENTS.
10:38:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA.
10:38:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
I HEARD SOME OF IT AND I HAD TO TAKE A
CALL ON A CONSTITUENT MATTER AND I WAS OVERHEARING IT.
ONE -- I SHOULDN'T SPEAK BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD THE
FULL DISCUSSION BUT KNOWING THE TOPIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE COUNCIL AND MAJORITY IS INCLINED TO
GO WITH THIS ON.
MR. SHELBY'S POINT ON TIME WHATNOT IS CERTAINLY
SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WELL TAKEN.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
SOMETHING WE MAY CONSIDER AND I PUT THIS OUT HERE IF
YOU APPEAR VIRTUALLY IS FOR LESS TIME, JUST SO WE DON'T
-- JUST TO ADDRESS THE TIME ISSUE SO THE PEOPLE CAN
STILL HAVE ACCESS, RIGHT, FOR SOME MORE TIME IN THE
FUTURE.
JUST SOMETHING I THOUGHT OF WITHOUT LISTENING TO THE
FULL CONVERSATION.
JUST NEVER A SMART THING TO DO.
10:38:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY?
10:38:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CERTAINLY THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A
BRIEF CONVERSATION AND MAYBE TAKE IT UP IN A FUTURE
TIME, BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING AND MISS WELLS IS VERY
FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
THE USE OF CMT ALSO RAISES A LOT OF DEW POINT ISSUES.
AND ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOT CONFRONTED RELATIVE TO
QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IF IN
FACT WE DO CONTINUE THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE ISSUES THAT
HAVE REVEALED THEMSELVES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
10:39:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY.
10:39:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.
10:39:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER AND THEN I WILL
COMMENT.
THANK YOU.
10:39:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE -- THE -- I KNOW IT GOES
WITHOUT SAYING THAT THAT WE ARE HERE TO REPRESENT OUR
CONSTITUENTS, OKAY.
AND THEY COME IN ALL FORM -- ALL SHAPES AND FORMS AND
SIZES, OKAY.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE.
WE ARE NOT HERE TO CONVENIENCE OURSELVES, OKAY.
IF ANYTHING, WE SHOULD BE HERE TO CONVENES OUR
CONSTITUENTS.
IT HAS BEEN CLEARLY SHOWN THE INCONVENIENCE OF THE
CONSTITUENTS IN MANY, MANY OCCASIONS TO STAY HOME AND
USE CMT.
NOW, FRANKLY, I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL THOSE
CONSTITUENTS IF THEY WANT TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE, THEY
SHOULD ACTUALLY COME DOWN TO CITY HALL, BECAUSE
STANDING AT THAT PODIUM IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE ADVOCACY
THAN STAYING AT HOME.
BUT THAT IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
BUT THE REALITY -- THE REALITY IS, IN MY -- IN MY
HUMBLE OPINION.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHOICE.
THEY -- WE HAVE CLEARLY SEEN THAT MANY, MANY PEOPLE
AND GIVEN OPINIONS IF GIVEN THE CMT OPTION.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
WHAT THE ENTIRE PUBLIC PROCESS AND NOTICE AND EVERYBODY
ELSE IS ABOUT.
NOT JUST FEEL GOOD NOT JUST THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE
PEOPLE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA BUT BECAUSE WE NEED THAT
FEEDBACK TO DO OUR JOB.
AND I FEEL -- I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG.
AND PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I THINK TO TAKE IT AWAY, JUST BECAUSE, QUOTE, THE
GOVERNOR SAYS THE EMERGENCY IS DONE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I
THINK IT IS JUST WRONG.
10:41:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
WELL, MR. SHELBY, WHAT I WOULD ASK TO YOU DO IS GET
WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND REFERENCE TO THE FACTORS
INVOLVED WITH CONTINUING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION WITH
THE CMT AND GET WITH ALL COUNCILMEMBERS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE DISCUSSION TO BRING THAT BACK
THAT WAS NARROWED DOWN AND TAILORED DOWN.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR EVERYONE'S OPINION, BUT MR.
DINGFELDER DOES HAVE A POINT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CARS.
I HEAR THAT SOMETIMES.
I CAN'T GET DOWN THERE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, COVID DID GIVE FOLKS AN OPTION TO
SPEAK TO COUNCIL.
SO I AM OPEN, BUT LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN TAYLOR IT.
GET WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
AND THEN GET WITH THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND BRING IT BACK
FOR A BRIEF DISCUSSION AND WE WILL TAKE IT UP FROM
HERE.
WE NEED TO MOVE ON FROM THIS POINT.
10:42:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IF
THE -- IF THE STATE OF EMERGENCY BY OPERATION OF YOUR
RESOLUTION AND BY OPERATION OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE
AND THE RESOLUTION ADOPTED, IF ON SATURDAY, THE
GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER IS NOT EXTENDED, THEN YOU
WOULD BE OPERATING AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE.
10:42:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:42:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE WILL NOT BE TOGETHER UNTIL THE
15TH.
10:43:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
IF IT HITS ON SATURDAY, WE ARE BACK TO BUSINESS AS
USUAL.
10:43:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN THE MEANTIME.
10:43:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN THE MEANTIME -- IF IT ENDS, WE ARE
BACK TO BUSINESS.
ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE RAISED A QUESTION FOR
DISCUSSION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO INSTRUCT YOU TO GET
WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, TO GET TO COUNCILMEMBERS AND
BRING THAT BACK FOR A BRIEF DISCUSSION IF WE NEED TO
CHANGE HOW WE DO BUSINESS IN THIS HOUSE OR CHANGE OUR
RESOLUTION AND CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE AS RULES AND
PROCEDURES, WE WILL DO THAT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME,
SIR.
10:43:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDERSTOOD.
THANK YOU.
10:43:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:43:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WILL RESPECTFULLY PROPOSE A
DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
I PROPOSE THAT WE LEAVE A STATUS QUO.
BY MOTION -- I WILL MAKE THE MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT WE
MODIFY OUR RULES AT LEAST ON TEMPORARY BASIS TO LEAVE
THE STATUS QUO.
TO LEAVE THE CMT IN PLACE UNTIL WE CAN HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD EITHER MODIFY THEM,
LEAVE THEM IN PLACE AND BY MOTION TODAY OBVIOUSLY IF
THE EMERGENCY IS GOING TO BE GOING AWAY THAT I THINK AT
LEAST ON A TEMPORARY BASIS -- WE HAVE GIVEN NO NOTICE
TO THE COMMUNITY WHATSOEVER.
I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY
SAYING, THIS WASN'T EVEN ON THE AGENDA.
I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE
HAVE JUST BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT FROM THE GOVERNOR,
OKAY.
BUT IT IS NOT EVEN ON THE AGENDA AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME AND COME BACK MID-JULY AND
ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE THINK THEY WILL PARTICIPATE FROM
HOME AND THEY ARE NOT.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ZONING HEARINGS THAT THEY THOUGHT
THEY COULD PARTICIPATE.
AND THEY CAN'T.
I THINK THE MORE PRUDENT APPROACH WOULD BE TO LEAVE
WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TEMPORARILY UNTIL WE CAN HAVE
THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
NOT TURN OFF THE SWITCH RIGHT NOW WITHOUT HAVING THOSE
DISCUSSIONS.
10:45:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T THINK SO WE CAN.
MR. SHELBY, I HAVE TO DETERMINATE.
10:45:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET'S ASK MR. SHELBY PROCEDURALLY.
YOU HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING, MARTIN.
10:45:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
10:45:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AM I -- WE CONTROL OUR RULES.
10:45:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
10:45:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE HAVE THE ABILITY, I THINK, TO
MODIFY THOSE RULES AND ALLOW CMT EVEN WITHOUT THE
GOVERNOR'S PETITION MISSION OF EMERGENCY POWERS.
DON'T WE?
10:45:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS OF RIGHT NOW I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED
IT SEEING WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITH REGARD TO THAT.
I WAS OPERATING UNDER THE STATE OF EMERGENCY RULES AS
THEY EXISTED.
10:45:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MAYBE SOMETHING THAT YOU AND MISS
ZELMAN CAN LOOK AT AND WE CAN GET BACK TO IT TONIGHT.
10:45:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PERHAPS.
BUT YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF
POSSIBLE.
10:46:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT IS MY MOTION TO BE ABLE TO DO
IS IT IF POSSIBLE, IF LEGALLY POSSIBLE.
10:46:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
10:46:09 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL SECOND IT, IF I MAY, THAT MOTION.
I THINK IT IS WELL TAKEN BECAUSE IT IS CORRECT THAT A
LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS IS BEING TAKEN AWAY AND
TO MERELY EXTEND THAT RIGHT UNTIL WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
EITHER ADDRESS IT BY TAKING AWAY DOING A COMPROMISE OR
TAKING IT AWAY AS IS.
OUGHT TO BE BETTER NOTICE FOR FOLKS THAT ARE REASONABLY
RELYING ON THAT.
AND WE SHOULD PROMPTLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN THE
MEANWHILE, BUT I AM GLAD TO SECOND THAT.
I THINK THAT IS WELL TAKEN, I WOULD SAY.
10:46:40 >> MR. SHELBY, WE WILL NOT TURN THAT OVER UNTIL
TONIGHT.
IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THE
DECISION NOW TO MOVE TONIGHT AGENDA IF THAT THE
PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL.
MR. DINGFELDER, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT MOTION ON THE
FLOOR.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW AND
TAKE THE VOTE AND GO FROM THERE AND WE WILL MOVE ON.
10:46:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
TIME FLEXIBLE TO PUT IT OFF UNTIL
TONIGHT SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT LEGAL INFORMATION IS
AVAILABLE.
MR. SHELBY INDICATED.
10:47:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THERE IS A LEGAL IMPEDIMENT, I
ASSURE YOU I WILL INFORM COUNCIL.
10:47:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU WISH.
10:47:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER HAS MADE A MOTION.
MR. VIERA SECONDED IT.
10:47:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I CAME
IN BETWEEN THE DISCUSSIONS HERE.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER 4 ON THE 5% AND 10%?
10:47:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, SIR.
MR. SHELBY CAME UP TO TALK WITH MISS ZELMAN OF THE
EXECUTIVE ORDER --
10:47:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT PART I HEARD.
THE GOVERNOR DECIDED WE HAVE UNTIL SATURDAY.
10:47:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHAT I AM PROPOSING ON A TEMPORARY
BASIS, MR. MIRANDA, IS THAT WE LEAVE THAT -- WE LEAVE
THE COMMUNITY WITH THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE.
10:47:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HEARD THAT PART.
10:47:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT IS THE MOTION.
10:47:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR.
DINGFELDER AND SECOND BY MR. VIERA.
TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS.
10:48:02 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:48:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:48:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
10:48:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, I SAY THIS IN JEST -- AND
IT IS AN OLD SAYING FROM SOME OF MY BROTHERS THAT SAY
IF YOU WANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE, TELEPHONE,
TELEGRAPH, -- ALL OF US AND ALL OF OUR LEGISLATIVE
AIDES READ HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
WE ANSWER HUNDREDS OF PHONE CALLS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS
AND HAVE BEEN, EVEN DURING THE PANDEMIC.
I AM -- I AM GOING TO VOTE NO ON THIS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:48:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
10:48:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:49:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GOING TO VOTE YES ON IT.
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON, CITRO AND MIRANDA VOTING
NO.
10:49:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:49:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:49:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:49:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE END UP DELAYING -- MARTY, IF WE
END UP DELAYING OR CONTINUING THIS, I FEEL STRONGLY
THAT WE SHOULD ONLY DO VIDEO AND AUDIO CMT, NOT SWITCH
BACK AND FORTH.
I KNOW IT IS MORE LABOR INTENSIVE, BUT AS MR. CITRO
SAID, IT IS NOT TO EDUCATE US BECAUSE WE TAKE HUNDREDS
OF CALLS AND E-MAILS A WEEK.
THE PURPOSE IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC
THROUGH THIS PLATFORM, AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
-- IF CMT IS A PROXY FOR BEING HERE IN PERSON THAN WE
SHOULD LOOK LIKE AS IF IT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS IF
SOMEONE IS HERE IN PERSON WHICH IS AUDIO AND VIDEO.
THANK YOU.
10:50:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG, ITEM
4.
10:50:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER AND MIRANDA'S.
LEGAL TO SPEAK ON THAT.
10:50:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I CAN CUT
THIS SHORT FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT SINCE THIS WAS MY
MOTION.
AND IF MR. MIRANDA DIFFERS, I AM SURE WE WILL HEAR.
I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
STAFF HAS RESPONDED TO US AND SAID THAT IT WOULDN'T
REALLY CHANGE IT -- MUCH OF ANYTHING ESPECIALLY AT THE
5% LEVEL.
THE -- THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN TO THIS AND SEEMS TO BE
WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGAINST THIS IDEA AND THEY JUST WANT TO
LEAVE THE STATUS QUO IN TERMS OF THE REZONINGS -- YOU
KNOW THE REZONINGS AND LOT SPLITS AND THAT SORT OF
THING.
THEY TOLD US THAT -- THEY LIKE WHAT IT IS AND WOULD
LIKE TO COME TO COUNCIL AND TELL US WHY THEY LIKE OR
DON'T LIKE THE PARTICULAR LOT SPLITS.
WITH THAT, I AM NOT -- I AM NO LONGER IN SUPPORT OF
ITEM 4, AND WOULD JUST MOVE TO STRIKE IT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THERE ARE FOLKS TO SPEAK TO IT, THAT
IS FINE TOO.
10:51:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FROM
STAFF?
10:51:30 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY.
WE DID BRING THIS ITEM PER THE MOTION OF COUNCIL TO A
WORKSHOP ON MAY 25.
AND WE HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THERE IN RELATION TO
THAT.
WE WERE DIRECTED BY COUNCIL TO PRESENT THIS AS OUR
PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION ON JUNE 7 WHICH WE DID.
WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL COMMENTS.
AND I DID JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY REPORT ON THAT.
SO IF I COULD POSSIBLY SHARE MY SCREEN.
I HAVE TWO QUICK SLIDES I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU.
WE HAD.
DO I NEED TO GET PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN?.
10:52:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I.T., CAN YOU HELP HER SHARE HER
SCREEN?
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN?
WONDERFUL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REPORT BACK ON THE PUBLIC
INFORMATION SESSION BRIEFLY.
WE DID HAVE 31 REGISTRANTS AND WE HAD 29 ATTENDEES.
WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE THE TEMPERATURE AND KIND OF GAUGE
THE BAROMETER ON WHERE PEOPLE WERE.
WE HAD FIVE ATTENDEES DIRECTLY COMMENT WHEN WE BROUGHT
THE ITEM UP AND YOU CAN SEE THE COMMENTS THERE.
5% OF THE SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WILL ALLOW FOR A 54 FEET
AND ONE IN SUPPORT OF THE 5% HAD NO DIRECT COMMENT AND
WE HAD TWO PARTICIPANTS TO INDICATED THEY WERE IN
SUPPORT OF THE 150%.
SO I WANTED TO BRIEFLY REPORT ON THAT AND AT THE
WORKSHOP PRESENTED 22 CASES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
12 OF THEM WERE EUCLIDIAN AND WENT FROM AN RS-60 TO A
RS-50.
SO OF THE 12 EUCLIDIANS OF THE 10% GRANTED BY COUNCIL.
AND IN RELATION TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
2% WERE WITHIN 10% OF THE LOT WIDTH FIREFIGHTER FIVE
WERE WITHIN 5% OF THE LOT AREA A 50 X 98 LOT WHERE THEY
DON'T HAVE THE DEPTH AND THEY HAVE THE AREA AND
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER ASKED IF WE COULD REPORT ON 22
AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN ON THAT AS WELL.
10:54:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
10:54:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT
YOU, ABBYE AND YOUR TEAM PUT IN TO REFILE THAT TO ITEM
NUMBER 4.
10:54:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.
10:54:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BRING UP SOME ITEMS.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT MISS ABBYE IS SPEAKING ABOUT WITH
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, SEVEN-FOOT SETBACK, RIGHT,
ASSUMING THAT IS WHAT IT IS, CORRECT.
YOU HAVE SEVEN-FOOT SETBACK AND 84 INCHES.
YOU HAVE 5% OF 84 INCHES, COME DOWN TO 4.2 INCHES.
THE 10% LOT WIDTH 10% OF WHAT, 84 INCHES WHICH WOULD BE
8.4 INCHES.
SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INCHES HERE.
AND SOMETIMES HALF AN INCH OR 4/10 OF AN INCH.
WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT 5% OF THE TOTAL LOT WIDTH OF AN
AREA.
A BUILDABLE LOT IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET IN SOME AREAS.
DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SIZE OF THE AREA IS IN DIFFERENT
AREAS AND 5% OF SOMETHING AND THAT WILL BE 500 SQUARE
FEET OF 10% AND 5% WOULD BE 250 SQUARE FEET OF THAT
LOT.
AND SOME AREAS YOU HAVE LOTS THAT ARE -- NOT DECIDE AND
I MENTION AND HEARD 98 FEET DEEP.
AND THIS HAPPENS IN A LOT OF AREAS AND SOME LIKE THAT
IN WEST TAMPA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
SO BEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE, YOU HAVE 100 FOOT WIDTH WITH
98-FOOT DEPTH AND IT WAS ZONED THAT WAY YEARS BACK AND
SOMETIMES THERE IS A HOUSE OR TWO.
SOMETIMES IT IS ONLY ONE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
LOT.
SO A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.
AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE SAYING I GIVE UP.
BUT I DON'T GIVE UP.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
AND IT IS ABOUT WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
10:56:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ASKED FOR A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
FILE.
10:56:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
RECEIVE AND FILE.
10:56:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND FROM MR. MANISCALCO.
ANY FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
10:56:51 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
JUST BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT THIS
DISCUSSION, IN RELATION TO THE CREATION OF IT, THE
ADMINISTRATIVE LOT
WE WOULD NOT BE BRINGING ANYTHING BACK TO YOU AND THAT
MATTER WOULD BE CLOSED AT THIS TIME.
10:56:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
10:57:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE MOTION.
THANK YOU.
10:57:03 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
10:57:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:57:07 >>LACHONE DOCK:
LACHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
MANAGEMENT.
COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER 5.
THIS ITEM IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
THE APPLICANTS ARE STEVEN MICHELINI AND JOHN LUM.
THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN IN THE PRIVATELY INITIATED, THE
APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A BACKGROUND REGARDING
THIS REQUEST AND THEY WILL ALSO MAKE THE PRESENTATION
TODAY.
ALSO, COUNCIL, I AM ON THE LINE.
I AM AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STEVE MICHELINI.
HE IS IN PERSON AND I BELIEVE HE IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
HE IS READY TO START HIS PRESENTATION.
AND COUNCIL, I THANK YOU.
10:57:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:57:50 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS STARTED OFF A LITTLE OVER FOUR
YEARS AGO, AND THEY CAME ABOUT FROM A SERIES OF MEETINGS
WITH THE CITY STAFF --
10:58:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND, STEVE, AND I
APOLOGIZE.
AS I LOOK AROUND AT MY DESK IN FRONT OF ME, MR. CITRO,
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. MIRANDA -- WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MR.
MIRANDA.
MR. MIRANDA LOOKS LIKE HE HAS IT.
I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN
FRONT OF ME, IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU ARE
PROPOSING.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT IF WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT TEXT AMENDMENTS --
10:58:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T HAVE IT EITHER.
I WAS LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE.
10:58:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ANYWAY, WE ARE SORT OF AT A
DISADVANTAGE.
MAYBE WE CAN SKIP THAT ITEM, STEVE, UNTIL SOMEBODY CAN
GIVE US COPIES OF YOUR PROPOSED CHANGES AND THEN WE CAN
COME BACK TO IT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:58:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WOULD BE FINE.
WE DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF US, AND HE'S TRYING TO
EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO US.
CAN YOU STICK AROUND?
MAYBE WE'LL GET STAFF TO GET US A COPY OF WHAT YOU HAVE
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT.
10:59:02 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
YES, SIR.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO THANK YOU, SIR.
WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6.
10:59:07 >>VIK BHIDE:
DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
10:59:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN WE GET THE VOLUME UP A LITTLE BIT
HERE?
ONE SECOND, MR. BHIDE.
TRY IT NOW.
10:59:25 >>VIK BHIDE:
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:59:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GO AHEAD.
10:59:32 >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU.
SO I AM HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 6, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON AND CITRO.
REGARDING A REQUEST FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO STUDY
THE POSSIBILITY OF INSTALLING CROSSWALKS PARTICULARLY
AROUND SCHOOLS.
AGAIN, I THANK YOU, COUNCILMEN, FOR BRINGING THIS UP
AGAIN.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AROUND SIDEWALKS.
HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND WE
WILL BE PRESENTING, AND IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN.
AND CAN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION?
CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SLIDE?
11:00:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
11:00:32 >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC, CERTAINLY.
AS WE HEARD FROM REPRESENTATIVE EARLIER TODAY SHE
MENTIONED IMPORTANCE OF PARTNERSHIPS AND WHAT ACCESS OF
OUR PROGRAM WE CAN IMPROVE THROUGH BETTER PARTNERSHIPS.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE ONE SEVERAL INITIATIVES FOR
PARTNERS.
THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE MPO AND THROUGH THE UNIFIED
PLANNING WORK PROGRAM, THE MPO BOARD AND SOME OF YOU AS
WELL HAVE THE MPO STUDIES SCHOOL SAFETY AND THE NEED FOR
SIDEWALK, WHICH IS BUILDING UPON AN EFFORT THAT HAS
ALREADY STARTED, AND SO WE WILL BE INITIATING THAT WITH
THE MPO, SO THE TIMING OF THIS MOTION IS GREAT.
ALSO, WE HEARD THROUGH THE COMMUNITY LIKE SIDEWALKS
NUMBERS THAT WE SHOULD WORK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD A
LITTLE BIT BETTER AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO SHARE
DATA.
I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN AN EFFORT
UNDERWAY ALONG OUR VISION COORDINATOR IS WORKING WITH THE
SCHOOL BOARD AND WORKING WITH MOU THAT WILL ALLOW US TO
SHARE DATA WITH SCHOOLS BETTER TO UNDERSTAND NEEDS BY
INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS RATHER THAN HAVING ONE SIZE FITS ALL
APPROACH.
WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE COUNTY, AND
COORDINATING SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM, AND OTHER
SIDEWALK IMPROVING LOCATIONS AS WELL, AND OF COURSE WE
CONTINUES TO WORK WITH FDOT, DISTRICT 7 RECENTLY
APPOINTED A SAFETY AMBASSADOR WHOSE SOLE FOCUS IS
ELEVATING SAFETY NEEDS, PARTICULARLY WALK/BIKE NEEDS UP
TO THE DISTRICT LEVEL AND WE MET WITH THAT TEAM
YESTERDAY.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS.
WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR STATE AS WELL AS FEDERAL
REPRESENTATIVES TO BRING FORTH THE ISSUES AND CRITICAL
NEEDS AROUND SIDEWALKS TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONVENING PARTNERSHIPS
IN THAT AREA.
I AM GOING TO WALK THROUGH VARIOUS INITIATIVES THAT WE
HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKING FOR SIDEWALKS, PARTICULARLY AROUND
SCHOOLS.
AND STUDY CONSIDERATIONS THAT I JUST MENTIONED.
FROM A GUIDANCE PERSPECTIVE, IT STARTS WITH THE UNIFORM
CONTROL DEVICES THAT RECOMMENDATIONS OR TREATMENTS OF
SCHOOL ROUTES, PARTICULARLY WALK ROUTES.
SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT THIS IS A BROAD
SENSE, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO WORK THROUGH THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF CITY TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS TO SEE IF WE
CAN GET BETTER DOCUMENTS FROM THE MOU THAT FOCUSES ON
BIKE AND WALK ISSUES.
SO WE ARE PART OF THIS MOVEMENT ALONG WITH OVER 100
CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND REQUESTING THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO RECONSIDER THE MANUAL.
SOME OF OUR KEY INITIATIVES THAT BRING SAFETY
PARTICULARLY IN SCHOOL AREAS ARE LISTED HERE, AND WE WILL
WALK THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
PLEASE KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR PRIORITIES, PARTICULARLY IN
THE MOVE PROGRAM, SCHOOL RESULTS ARE AT THE HIGHEST
PRIORITY.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE DID THROUGH THE PANDEMIC
THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO IMPROVE SAFETY
PARTICULARLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN SOME CASES OUR
COLLECTOR ROADS AS WELL.
WE PRIORITIZED SCHOOLS.
WE LOOKED AT CRASHES, PARKS, ALSO WHY CHILDREN FREQUENT,
AND OF COURSE WE LOOKED AT OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT
AUGMENT THE 4-WAY STOP INSTALLATION.
WE HEARD AN EXAMPLE OF THAT AS WELL.
THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN RECEIVED PRETTY WELL BY THE
COMMUNITY, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SUPPORT
THIS THROUGH OUR PROGRAM.
WE HAVE THE CROSSWALK PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE A RUNNING
LIST OF CROSSWALK LOCATIONS WHERE SCHOOL WALKABILITY AND
ALSO AWARENESS OF MOTORISTS AND OTHER MODES OF
TRANSPORTATION, PEDESTRIANS WITHIN THE WALKWAY, THROUGH
SIGNAGE, THROUGH APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT OF THE CROSSWALK,
AND AGAIN WE PRIORITIZE SCHOOLS, WE LOOK AT CRASHES,
PARKS AND OTHER AREAS.
BUT SCHOOLS ARE ALWAYS THE HIGHER PRIORITY.
RECENT IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE MADE NEAR SCHOOLS,
ALEXANDER ELEMENTARY AND SHAW ELEMENTARY, AGAIN,
EVERYTHING FROM NEW CROSSWALKS, ACCESS, AND WE CONTINUE
TO WORK ON THESE INITIATIVES.
ALSO, WE HAVE, AS YOU ARE AWARE, CROSSWALKS TO CLASSROOMS
PROGRAM, THIS IS VERY POPULAR.
WE REQUEST REQUESTS FROM MANY SCHOOLS TO HAVE THIS
INSTITUTED IN THEIR SCHOOLS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO EVERY
SCHOOL IN THE CITY SHOULD THE FUNDING ALLOW THAT.
THIS INCREASES PARTICIPATION FOR OUR STUDENTS, FOR OUR
CHILDREN, AND ALSO INCLUDES ACCESS WHILE WE DO THAT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THIS PROGRAM, AS I SAID, AND WE
LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
WE HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED THE MOVES AND ACCESS.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER CRITERIA ITEMS AS WELL.
WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE MOVES PROGRAM, ADDING
ENGINEERING AND OTHER LAYERS ON TOP OF IT, KNOWLEDGE, TO
REALLY PRIORITIZE BASED ON THE VULNERABLE FIRST AND
SCHOOLS CERTAINLY MATCH THAT CRITERIA.
OUR SIDEWALK PROGRAM IS ALSO MORE OF A REACTIVE TO A
PROACTIVE APPROACH.
PRIMARILY IT'S BECAUSE HISTORICALLY WE ACTED TO
COMPLAINTS.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENED ALMOST ASYMMETRIC, HEARD FROM
CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE
HAVEN'T HEARD FROM IN THE PAST, DID NOT GET AS MUCH WORK,
LIKE YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HERE.
SO WE DO HAVE THE SIDEWALK TO SCHOOL PROGRAM IN THE
SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA, BUT ALSO HOW WE CONTINUE TO
PRIORITIZE BASED ON NEEDS AND BASED ON THE HIGHEST USE
RATHER THAN JUST RESPONDING BASED ON COMPLAINTS.
AGAIN, THE STATE REQUIREMENT THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF
YEARS, BY 2023, ALL SCHOOLS NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN TYPES OF
SIGNAGE, MARKINGS, AND FLASHERS TO MEET STATE STANDARDS.
SO THIS PROGRAM AS WELL WITH OUR FINDINGS.
I MENTIONED SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOLS.
OUR FIRST BIG PROJECT IS GOING TO BE SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THIS WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE MPO
STUDY.
WE ARE NOW UPDATING THAT STUDY TO TODAY'S REALITY, AND
NEW INFORMATION AND NEEDS AND METHODS THAT WE HAVE.
THAT WOULD BE THE PLANNING WORK PROGRAM THAT I MENTIONED
EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, PARTNER WITH THE STATE WHERE WE CAN AND MAXIMIZE
OUR LIMITED DOLLARS.
FINALLY, IN CLOSING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME STAFF
RECOMMENDATIONS TOWARD THIS MOTION, AND THAT WOULD BE TO
CONTINUE A MAJORITY OF OUR PROGRAMS.
THESE PROGRAMS ARE WELL RESEARCHED, THEY ARE WELL
COORDINATED, AND BRING PARTNERS AS WELL, AND THEY WILL BE
A BENEFIT AS WE MOVE ALONG, AND FUNDING, WE ARE ALWAYS IN
NEED OF FUNDING, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO COUNCIL SUPPORT
WITH REFERENDUM AND ANY INITIATIVES, AND WE'LL CONTINUE
TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
AT THIS POINT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:10:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. CARLSON, RECOGNIZED, SIR.
11:10:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR THE ANALYSIS AND ALL THE
WORK YOU DO.
I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ALLOCATE THE MONEY FASTER?
THE COMMUNITY IS DEMANDING THAT WE DO THIS RIGHT AWAY,
THAT IT'S UNSAFE TO WALK TO AND FROM SCHOOLS.
AND PART OF THIS ALSO WAS THAT THERE ARE HOUSE AS CROSS
FROM SCHOOLS THAT ALLEGEDLY PEOPLE ARE REFUSING TO PUT
SIDEWALKS IN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND
THEN BECAUSE OF THAT WE CAN'T BUILD A CROSSWALK.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN JUST PUT SIDEWALKS IN THERE SO
WE CAN PUT CROSSWALKS IN?
THANK YOU.
11:11:05 >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
AND WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO LOOK AT EXISTING FUNDING
BUT ALSO NEW OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
SIDEWALKS, OR AT LEAST -- THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE HAVE DONE SPECIFICALLY, THE
FIRST WITHIN OUR OWN BUDGET FY 22.
AGAIN WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR VISION COORDINATOR AND
TRANSPORTATION AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO IDENTIFY A
QUICK BUILD PROGRAM.
AND WHAT THIS QUICK BUILD PROGRAM DOES IS CHOOSES TAKER
MATERIAL, THAT ARE STILL CONSPICUOUS, BUT THAT ALLOW US
TO DO MORE THAN ONE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AS COMPARED
TO ... AND ALL OF THAT.
AND WITH THAT, OUR FOCUS IS GOING TO BE THOSE TWO WILL BE
OUR FOCUS AREAS, AND AGAIN WE ARE PARTNERING TO SEE IF WE
CAN MAXIMIZE NOT JUST THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE, BUT MAYBE
GET SOME STATE DOLLARS AS WELL TO IMPROVE OUR OUTCOMES.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE DOING -- AND WEAVED THIS
DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK REGARDING OUR SIDEWALK
IN LIEU FEE, AND OUR CODE, SIDEWALK INSTALLATION FOR NEW
DEVELOPMENTS, AND WE DO STAND BY OUR RECOMMENDATION,
UPDATING IN-LIEU FEES, AND AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP WHEN THAT
IS COMING UP, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN IT IS BUT IT IS
LATER IN THE YEAR, WE WILL HAVE OUR FINAL SET OF
RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH WILL ALSO MOVE THE BALL FORWARD ON
GETTING MORE SIDEWALKS OUT THERE.
WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS THERE AS WELL, COMMUNITY
PARTNERS AS WELL AS REGIONAL PARTNERS.
THANK YOU.
11:13:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
11:13:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU KNOW IT'S FUNNY, WHENEVER I HEAR
REPORTS LIKE THIS, I WILL BE HONEST, NUMBER ONE, VIK, I
ALWAYS HAVE JUST A THANKFULNESS FOR YOUR WORK, I THINK
YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT YOU, YOU'RE A GOOD GUY,
YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL, BUT ALMOST 3 IN 5 VOTERS VOTED ON
RAISING TAXES.
WELL, VOTERS GAVE THEM THAT IN 2018, THREE OUT OF FIVE,
REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS, AREAS LIKE A SUBURB
VOTED ALMOST 2 TO 1 FOR TRANSPORTATION.
THEY VOTED FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE VAST DEFICIT THAT WE HAVE
IN OUR CITY AND THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY, ET CETERA,
ON ISSUES, FOR DIGNITY AND SAFETY, IT BLOWS YOUR MIND.
IT BLOWS YOUR MIND ON HOW MUCH OF THAT NOW IS BEING TRULY
TAKEN AWAY FROM US AND NOW WE HAVE TO WAIT TO POTENTIALLY
NOVEMBER OF 2022 TO TAKE A LOOK AT REVENUE.
SEEING THIS IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLIC BIPARTISAN -- I SAY
BIPARTISAN BECAUSE WE KNOW MANY REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
AND INDEPENDENTS CAME TOGETHER FOR THE PARTNER SUPPORT
FOR USING THEIR OWN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE'S MONEY,
COLLECTIVELY TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ISSUES AND THESE
CHALLENGES AND CRISES, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE A PARENT WITH A
KID WALKING TO SCHOOL AND HAVING UNSAFE ACCESS, IT'S A
CRISIS.
YOU KNOW, SO MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
GOING TO SCHOOL, NOT HAVING PROPER CROSSWALKS OR
SIDEWALKS, IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY.
YOU HAVE GOT TO GET TO WORK AT PUBLIX OR WHEREVER IT MAY
BE, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT TRANSPORTATION.
JUST YESTERDAY EVENING, I WAS DOING A TOWN HALL OVER AT
COPELAND PARK AND TALKING TO DIFFERENT FOLKS TALKING
ABOUT FOLKS WORKING AT McDONALD'S FOR NINE, TEN, ELEVEN
DOLLARS AN HOUR HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING ACCESS TO BE
TRANSIT TO GET TO THEIR JOBS, TALKING TO FOLKS WHO WANT A
HOUSE IN COPELAND, AND YOUNG VETERANS COMING BACK WITH
PTSD AND OTHER CHALLENGES, SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
PROPER ACCESS TO HARTLINE, ET CETERA, FOR THEIR JOURNEYS
THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE IN LIFE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO HERE IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE,
BUDGET FOR REPAVING OF $5 MILLION AND THEN $16 JUST TO
GET DIGNITY.
I BELIEVE OUR BUDGET FOR SIDEWALKS IS ABOUT 350,000?
850,000?
AND BY GOLLY, ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE FOUR OR
FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
SO I THINK OF THE BOOK OF EXODUS.
YOU CAN'T MAKE BRICK WITHOUT STRAW.
AND THE VOTERS WANTED US AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT
STRAW BACK IN 2022: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:16:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, AND THEN MR. MANISCALCO.
11:16:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
VIK, YOU ALWAYS KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY
GO-TO GUY FOR MOBILITY AND I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU
HAVE DONE AND ALL THE HELP YOU ARE GIVING MY OFFICE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE
YEARS, AND IT JUST PILED ITSELF ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER,
STARTED WITH A SIDEWALK BOND AND HOW THE SIDEWALKS WERE
BUILT IN THIS CITY.
IT STARTED WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM SAYING
THAT IF YOU LIVED OUTSIDE WITHIN TWO MILES OF A SCHOOL,
YOUR CHILDREN HAD TO WALK TO SCHOOL.
I LIKE THE SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED US.
I LOVED YOUR PRESENTATION.
HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT OUTSIDE OF THE
SCHOOL ITSELF.
KIDS -- EXCUSE ME, CHILDREN ARE STILL HAVING TO WALK
WITHIN TWO MILES.
VIK, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.
AND I'M SURE THE NEXT TIME YOU REPORT TO US THAT THERE'S
GOING TO BE A HECK OF A LOT OF OVERLAP AS SCHOOLS ARE
WITHIN TWO MILES OF ONE ANOTHER.
SO WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
KEEP US POSTED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VIK.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:17:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.
11:17:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU
GAVE US.
IS THERE ANY WAY POSSIBLE THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN SEE THE
INFORMATION OF THE SCHOOLS WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
AND HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE A SIDEWALK AND HOW MANY DON'T,
HOW MANY HAVE PARTIAL SIDEWALK, AND GIVE US AN UPDATE
WHAT THE COST IS FOR THE SCHOOL?
11:17:48 >>VIK BHIDE:
YES, SIR.
11:17:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE IT.
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE REAL COST OF PUTTING IN A
SIDEWALK.
BECAUSE I WOULD JUST LIKE COUNCIL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL FACTS.
THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING YOU, SIR.
IS THAT POSSIBLE?
11:18:02 >>VIK BHIDE:
YES, SIR.
WE WILL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU.
THE REAL COST THAT WE INCUR RIGHT NOW VARIES FROM $81 PER
FOOT TO ABOUT $68.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT VARIABILITY DEPENDING ON THE --
11:18:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT NUMBER?
11:18:27 >>VIK BHIDE:
SORRY.
11:18:27 >> A LINEAR FOOT?
11:18:31 >>VIK BHIDE:
YES, SIR.
11:18:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IF YOU CAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT MOTION BUT AS A
REQUEST I WOULD APPRECIATE VERY MUCH IF YOU CAN GIVE IT
TO US.
11:18:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO?
11:18:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO, NO I WAS JUST BACKING YOU UP ON YOUR
QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
11:18:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
I KNOW COSTS ARE UP, BUT I MEAN PEOPLE GIVE IT TO THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND IT REALLY BOTHERS ME.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY I TALK ABOUT MR. VIERA THE
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM AND MAYBE WE START TEACHING SOME
PEOPLE IN OUR HOUSE TO LEARN HOW TO DO THIS JOB.
WE CAN CUT THOSE COSTS AND GIVE SOME OF THESE YOUNG MEN
AND OPPORTUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN A SKILL AND TO
NOW WORK TO CUT THESE COSTS DOWN, BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT TO
THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
BUT MY BIGGEST THING IS THIS.
WE HAVE CRAs AND MOST OF THESE CRAs HAVE MONEY FOR
SIDEWALKS.
THAT MONEY DOESN'T GO TO THE GENERAL FUND, SO THOSE
COMMUNITIES THAT NEED A SIDEWALK, YOUR OFFICE IS TO GET
WITH MRS. VAN LOAN TO SEE WHO HAS MONEY, WE GET CALLS FOR
SIDEWALKS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A SYSTEM WHERE THE SIDEWALKS COME IN,
AND YOU DON'T HAVE SOME MONEY, THE CRA HAS MONEY FOR
SIDEWALKS IN THAT DISTRICT, IN A CRA AREA, THEN WITH WE
ARE LOOKING TO GET THOSE SIDEWALKS DONE.
SO THAT CAN BE ANOTHER AVENUE TO WORK TO DO THOSE.
BECAUSE AGAIN THAT MONEY IS THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT'S
FOR THEIR COMMUNITY -- THAT COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE
REINVESTING IN.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT OPTION AS WELL BUT I AM GOING TO
SAY IT AGAIN, VIK, WE NEED TO LOOK AT A PROGRAM, TO BE --
SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE PUBLIC CORRECTIONS, BECAUSE I SEE
GUYS OUT THERE DOING SIDEWALKS ALL THE TIME.
SO WE AS A CITY HAVE TO START LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN HELP
SOME OF THOSE FOLKS WHEN THEY GET OUT, OR PARTNER WITH
SOME OF THESE OTHER CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES TO GET OUT,
DO SOME OF THIS WORK AND CUT OUR COSTS TO GET MORE WORK
DONE AND GET MORE THINGS DONE FOR THE CITY.
SO I AM GOING TO ASK THAT AGAIN.
I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY.
BUT WE NEED TO GET SOME ANSWERS, BECAUSE IT'S VITAL.
YOU HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OUT THERE.
YOU HAVE PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE AN EXTRA
PROGRAM TO ADD.
IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO LEARN.
WHEN I GOT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, I WENT OFF TO COLLEGE, IN
THE SUMMER, THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO GO TO WORK AND I POURED
MUD.
IT ISN'T HARD TO DO.
MR. CITRO, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, SIR?
11:21:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, I DO. I HAVEN'T HEARD CEMENT
CALLED MUD IN A LONG TIME.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
VIK, THE LAST TIME THAT WE SPOKE ON THIS, I HAD ASKED
ABOUT ALTERNATIVE PRODUCTS, ESPECIALLY PERMEABLE
ALTERNATIVE PRODUCTS.
PLEASE, IF WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, CUT THE COSTS THERE
I MAY BE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN BUT I AM GOING TO SAY IT
ANYWAY.
NASA IS LOOKING AT SOME GREAT CYCLED PRODUCTS THAT JUST
AS STRONG AS CONCRETE.
WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:21:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
I KNOW YOU ALWAYS GET BACK WITH US.
WE CALL YOU.
YOU GET IT DONE.
I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT.
AND COUNCIL PRESSURES THAT KIND OF WORK.
ALL STAFF MEMBERS.
WHEN WE CALL YOU, IT GETS DONE RIGHT AWAY.
SO I KNOW YOU WILL GET US SOME ANSWERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.
11:22:08 >> VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
AND WE ARE LOOKING AT BOTH THE IN-HOUSE AS WELL AS
INNOVATIVE MATERIALS TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES.
THANK YOU.
11:22:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU AGAIN.
ALL RIGHT.
I GUESS WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 5 SINCE WE HAVE THE
PAPERWORK IN FRONT OF US.
MR. MICHELINI, ARE YOU STILL THERE, SIR?
I KEEP SEEING THESE PRIVATE TEXT AMENDMENTS ALL THE TIME.
I THINK MR. DINGFELDER -- GO AHEAD, SIR.
ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:22:50 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
YES, SIR.
AS I STARTED TO SAY, YOU HAVE THIS PACKAGE PREVIOUSLY.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ONE THAT I AM DISCUSSING
THIS MORNING AND THE ONE THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY IS THAT
THERE ARE FEWER REQUESTS FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS.
AS I STARTLED, BRIEFLY, THIS STARTED WITH A ROUND TABLE
DISCUSSION INVOLVING THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE BUILDING
DEPARTMENT, THE ZONING, AND LAND USE DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION OFFICE, SOME PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, AS WELL AS
INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS.
THERE'S A MONTHLY ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION THAT'S HELD OVER
IN CONSTRUCTION SERVICES REGARDING DIFFICULTIES,
CONFLICTS, AND ISSUES WITH THE CODE THAT REQUIRED SOME
ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, OR TO HAVE THE CONFLICTS IN THE
CODE ADDRESSED.
AND THAT'S WHERE THIS LIST CAME FROM.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD, THE LIST WAS MUCH LONGER.
THERE WERE PROBABLY OVER 50 ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED,
AND THE CITY STAFF ITSELF TOOK SOME OF THOSE AMENDMENTS
ON THEMSELVES AND WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING HERE TODAY ARE
THE ONES THAT THEY REQUESTED THAT WE INITIATED THE
PRIVATE PETITION.
SO I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU A LIST OF THE THINGS THAT WERE
STRICKEN THROUGH AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE
INDIVIDUALLY.
BUT THE FIRST ONE IS THE YARD BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL
BUILDINGS.
THAT INVOLVES INTERIOR SETBACKS BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY
STRUCTURES.
IT DOES NOT INVOLVE ANYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR SETBACKS OR
ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY.
WE HAVE DELETED THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUESTS WHICH WE
FOUND THERE WAS A CONFLICT IN THE CODE, AND THEN IT SINCE
HAS BEEN CLARIFIED WITH STAFF, AND THAT WAS JUST
IDENTIFIED AND CORRECTED YESTERDAY.
ALLOWING OPEN STORAGE IN CG.
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR ALLOWING WALK-IN COOLERS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT FOR EXISTING RESTAURANTS.
IT HAD NO PLACE ON THE INTERIOR FOR WALK-IN COOLERS.
WE REMOVED THAT AS WELL.
THE ISSUE REGARDING SWIMMING POOLS WAS TOO DIFFICULT TO
TRY TO EXPLAIN TO LAY PEOPLE, AND IT HAD TO DO WITH A
TECHNICAL STANDARD THAT APPEARS IN THE BUILDING CODE.
AND THAT'S NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED.
WE REMOVED THAT.
ITEM NUMBER 5 IS THE OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT
REGULATIONS.
RM-24 IS THE ONLY DISTRICT IN THE CITY THAT'S RESIDENTIAL
THAT HAS A 30-FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF
THE STRUCTURE.
THIS WOULD MAKE THE 35 FEET CONFORM TO ALL OF THE OTHER
RESIDENTIAL CODES.
THE OFF-STREET PARKING FOR DUPLEXES HAS TO BE DO WITH THE
SIZE OF THE LOTS, AND THE ISSUE RELATES TO THE PARKING
GARAGES THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH ARE REQUIRED FOR TWO PARKING
SPACES, AND TWO SPACES IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND REQUIRING AN ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR VISITOR PARKING
SEEMED TO BE AN UNUSUAL AND HEAVY BURDEN TO MEET.
SO AGAIN, WITH STAFF DISCUSSIONS, THEY AGREED AS LONG AS
IT WAS ONLY DUPLEXES AND NOT FOR MORE THAN TWO UNITS,
THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE
RIGHT-HAND SIDE.
ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSES STYLE TO FACE INTERIOR
COURTYARDS.
THIS RELATED TO A PROVISION RELATED TO A CODE THAT SAYS
YOU HAVE TO FACE RIGHT-OF-WAY, HAD TO DO WITH SIGNS AND
ALSO SECURITY.
THEY WANTED TO HAVE A COURTYARD WHERE YOU WOULD WALK UP
TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU WOULD ENTER, AND THEN
EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN
ENTRANCE OFF OF A COURTYARD.
ITEM NUMBER 8 HAS TO DO WITH EAST TAMPA OVERLAY, AND ITEM
NUMBER 9, WEST TAMPA OVERLAY, HAS TO DO WITH THE FRONT
YARD SETBACK.
AND THE CODE INDICATES THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BLOCK
AVERAGING, BUT IF THERE'S NO OTHER PROPERTIES ON THAT
BLOCK, OR IF YOU HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARILY DEEP LOT, THE
SETBACKS WERE ENDING UP BEING 60 OR 70 OR 80 FEET FROM
THE FRONT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
AND THAN THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE WHICH DIDN'T MAKE A LOT
OF SENSE.
AGAIN THESE ISSUES WERE WORKED OUT WITH THE STAFF.
THEY WERE ALSO DISCUSSED WITH THE EAST TAMPA AND THE WEST
TAMPA COMMUNITIES REGARDING THIS, AND WE HAD THEIR
SUPPORT.
I'LL GO THROUGH THESE IN MORE DETAIL NOW.
WHEN A PROPERTY CONTAINS MORE THAN ONE BUILDING, THE
REQUIRED STRUCTURAL SETBACK WAS BASED ON A CALCULATION
THAT INVOLVED LENGTH TIMES WIDTH TIMES HEIGHT.
THIS DOES NOT AFFECT MASSING.
THIS AFFECTS A STANDARD -- SETTING A STANDARD OF 15 FEET
BETWEEN BUILDINGS, WHICH WAS REVIEWED AND SUPPORTED BY
THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
THIS AGAIN DOES NOT AFFECT THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT ONLY AFFECTS WHERE YOU PLACE THE BUILDING.
AND WE HAD FOUR DIFFERENT ENGINEERS AS WELL AS THE CITY
STAFF TRY TO CALCULATE WHAT THE SETBACK WOULD BE BETWEEN
BUILDINGS, AND WE CAME UP WITH FOUR DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
SO A LOT OF THESE WERE ENDING UP HAVING TO EITHER GO TO A
REZONING OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A VARIANCE TO TRY TO
ESTABLISH WHAT THE MINIMUM SETBACKS BETWEEN BUILDINGS ON
THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT.
AGAIN, INTERIOR OF THE LOT.
YOU WANT ME TO STOP?
11:29:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS FOR EACH ONE?
11:29:17 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT.
11:29:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HE HAS A LOT TO SAY.
THEN GET DO IT IN ONE SHOT.
11:29:28 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
NUMBER 2 HAS BEEN STRICKEN THROUGH.
THAT'S BEEN REMOVED.
NUMBER 3 AND 4 HAVE BEEN STRICKEN AND REMOVED.
WE ARE NOW ON NUMBER 5.
WHICH WAS THE RM-24 AND THE OP ZONING DISTRICTS WERE
REQUIRED TO HAVE A ZIGZAG SETBACK AFTER 30 FEET, AND
AGAIN, THERE WAS NO JUSTIFICATION.
THE STAFF COULDN'T FIND ANY THAT ESTABLISHED 30 FEET AS
SOME MAGICAL NUMBER.
35 FEET MATCHES ALL OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS,
RS-50, RS-60, 75, 100, 150.
SO IT STANDARDIZES WHAT THE TYPICAL HEIGHT IS FOR A
MAXIMUM FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THE VISITOR PARKING FOR DUPLEXES WITH .25 ENDED UP WITH
TWO UNITS WITH HALF A PARKING SPACE WHICH YOU HAD TO
ROUND UP TO ONE, AND CONSIDERING THAT A DUPLEX IS ON A
RELATIVELY SMALLER LOT, IT WAS TYING UP A LOT OF EXTRA
SPACE, IT WAS FORCING THESE DUPLEXES TO SEEK WAIVERS FOR
LANDSCAPING, AND THEN IT WAS TRIGGERING REZONING WHEN IT
WAS NOT REALLY NECESSARY FOR A SMALL DEVELOPMENT LIKE
THAT.
NUMBER 7 HAS TO DO WITH THE ALLOWING THE COURT YARDS AND
THE FRONT ENTRANCES FACING THE COURTYARD, THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD HAVE THE ADDRESS ON IT AND WOULD HAVE
THE UNIT NUMBERS.
AND THEN THE FIRE MARSHAL WENT OUT BECAUSE HE HAS TO
APPROVE THE SIGNAGE AND THE ADDRESSING.
THIS WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD ASKED, PROPOSED
LANGUAGE TO ALLOW FRONT ENTRANCES IN COURT YARDS AS LONG
AS IT'S NOT AN ALLEY.
SO WE WEREN'T TRYING TO ESTABLISH A FRONT YARD, A FRONT
ENTRYWAY ON AN ALLEY, BUT RATHER IT HAD TO DO WITH THE
INTERIOR ORIENTATION OF THE VARIOUS UNITS.
THIS IS THE LAST ONE HERE, ITEM 8 AND 9, WHICH WAS THE
FRONT YARD DETERMINED BY BLOCK AVERAGING, AND IT WOULD
ESTABLISH A STANDARD OF 20 FEET WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH
THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, OR IF YOU HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, AN
EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS,
YOU HAVE HOUSES THAT FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK.
IT ONE ALLOW YOU TO GO UP TO THE SIDEWALK IF THERE WAS A
BLOCK AVERAGING.
BUT WHEN THERE IS NO BLOCK AVERAGING IT WOULD SET THAT
MINIMUM AT 20 FEET.
THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AS I SAID FOR -- THIS IS NOT A
NEW PROPOSAL.
IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
IT WAS ROUTED THROUGH ALL THE CITY FOR DEPARTMENTAL
REVIEW.
WE HAD PROBABLY NO LESS THAN A DOZEN DISCUSSIONS AND
MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF TO REVIEW THIS.
WE HAD A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING.
AND BECAUSE THE NATURE OF SOME OF THESE ARE TECHNICAL IN
NATURE, I THINK THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED
WITH QUOTES AND E-MAILS DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS HIGH
PRESSURE TO DO WITH THE ENTIRE CITY.
WELL, IT HAS TO DO FOR THE MOST PART NOT WITH
SINGLE-FAMILY, IT HAS TO DO WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT
ARE MULTIFAMILY AND STANDARDIZING THE CODE AND
RECOGNIZING THAT THERE WERE GLITCHES IN THE CODE THAT
NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
IT DID NOT SEEM REASONABLE TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH REZONING
FOR VARIANCES FOR ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU, THE STAFF
WAS IN SUPPORT OF, AND WE HAVE ELIMINATED ALL OF THOSE
THAT WE HAD ANY CONCERN ABOUT, OR IF THERE WERE ANY
QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFF DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE
SUPPORTING.
SO WHAT WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL
IN A WORKSHOP SESSION TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
HAVE REGARDING THIS ISSUE, THESE VARIOUS ISSUES, AND I
WILL BE HAPPY TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON ANY OF THE ONES
THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.
11:33:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED,
SIR.
11:34:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MS. DOCK, ARE YOU ON OUR SCREEN?
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
11:34:07 >>LACHONE DOCK:
YES.
YES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I AM HERE.
11:34:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
SO WHAT I THINK IS A HEALTHY WAY TO DO THIS IS TO WALK
THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, AND FOR YOU TO EITHER CONFIRM
OR DENY OR WHAT HAVE YOU EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID ON
EACH ONE.
11:34:35 >>LACHONE DOCK:
YES.
11:34:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND I DID HAVE A FEW SPECIFIC
QUESTIONS.
SO IN REGARD TO 27-162, YARDS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL
BUILDINGS, THIS SAYS THAT STAFF IS, QUOTE, IN SUPPORT.
IS THAT TRUE?
11:34:55 >>LACHONE DOCK:
YES, THAT IS CORRECT, COUNCILMAN
DINGFELDER.
LACHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT, GROWTH AND MANAGEMENT.
YES.
WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST.
THIS WAS THE REQUEST, AS STEVE MENTIONED, REGARDING THE
YARDS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, REMOVING THE
REQUIRED CALCULATION WHICH EXISTS IN THE CODE CURRENTLY
AND PUTTING IT AS A STANDARD.
SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT -- I'M SORRY?
11:35:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO WE CHOOSE 15 FEET BECAUSE
EFFECTIVELY THAT'S LIKE HAVING TWO SEVEN-FOOT, SEVEN-AND
A HALF FOOT SETBACKS?
11:35:33 >> AND STANDARD RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS REQUIRE THAT
7-FOOT SETBACK, THAT WOULD BE THAT COMBINATION OF THE
TWO.
IN SOME CASES ON PDS YOU WILL SEE THAT DEVELOPERS ARE
WAIVING THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO WE FIGURE THAT STANDARDIZED AMOUNT, STANDARDIZED
15-FOOT.
11:35:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION,
BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE THE STANDARD THAT YOU WOULD LOOK
FOR ON A PD AT 15 FEET, AND IF THEY WERE TRYING TO DO
SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR A WAIVER?
11:36:04 >>LACHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
IT STILL WOULD ASK FOR A WAIVER.
IF NOT MEET THE 15-FOOT REQUIREMENT SO IT WOULD STILL
HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A WAIVER AND APPROVED BY
COUNCIL.
11:36:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHAT IF THESE WERE REALLY TALL
BUILDINGS?
I CAN SEE DOING THIS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED,
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI ATTACHED,
BECAUSE MOST OF THEM I THINK ARE 35 FEET, BUT HOTELS AND
MOTELS, I GUESS ARGUABLY COULD BE VERY, VERY LARGE
BUILDINGS WITH LARGE MASSES, 15 FEET ADD QUALITY FROM A
MASS PERSPECTIVE?
11:36:45 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
COULD I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
11:36:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET ME HEAR FROM LACHONE FIRST.
MAYBE IT'S MORE OF AN ABBYE QUESTION.
11:36:51 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
MANAGEMENT.
THIS BUILDING SEPARATION IS WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE
THREE SETS OF TOWNHOMES ON A SINGLE PARCEL.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE THREE BUILDINGS OF FOUR TOWNHOMES
APIECE.
TYPICALLY YOU TAKE THE WIDTH OF THOSE FOUR TOWNHOMES.
THE DEPTH OF THAT STRUCTURE.
AND YOU DO THE CALCULATION FOR HOW THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO
BE SEPARATED ON A UNIFIED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THIS IS GOING TO TAKE OUT THAT WIDTH AND DEPTH
CALCULATION AND STANDARDIZE IT AT 15 FEET.
THIS WOULDN'T BE IN A HOTEL SITUATION, AND COMMERCIAL
WOULD STILL HAVE -- IF THERE WERE TWO BUILDINGS TO THE
HOTEL, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATION.
11:37:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO THAT GOES TO MY QUESTION, UNDER
THE DOCUMENT THAT WE WERE ALL GIVEN, PROPOSED
MODIFICATION SAYS IT INCLUDES HOTELS AND MOTELS.
MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAVE A 60-FOOT MOTEL BUILDING AND
A 60-FOOT MOTEL BUILDING ON THE SAME PROPERTY, THE SAME
PD, IS 15 FEET ENOUGH SEPARATION IN REGARD TO THE MASSING
OF THOSE BUILDINGS?
I CAN SEE 15 FEET IS FINE IF IT'S A 35-FOOT, YOU KNOW,
TOWN HOME OR EVEN A LITTLE SMALL MOTEL.
BUT WHEN YOU GET UP TO 60 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
FROM A PLANNING, FROM A MASS PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT WHAT WE
WANT?
AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAD PLUGGED IN
THOSE CALCULATIONS THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW -- AND I AM JUST
TALKING ABOUT BIG BUILDINGS, 60 FEET -- WOULD IT COME OUT
TO MORE THAN 15 FEET?
11:38:42 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, IT WOULD.
11:38:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
11:38:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO MAYBE WHAT -- I'M SORRY.
MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS STRIKE HOTELS AND MOTELS OR
STRIKE ANYTHING -- MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST SAY FOR 35-FOOT
TALL BUILDINGS.
I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH A STANDARDIZED 15 FEET.
AND I HOPE COUNCIL IS.
BECAUSE, YEAH, WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN THE CITY NOW IS
BASICALLY 35-FOOT LIMITS IN MOST OF WHAT WE ARE BUILDING
ON A NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, AND IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE
15-FOOT SEPARATION, BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICAL, AS MR.
MIRANDA POINTED OUT THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY
IT'S 7-FAT SETBACK.
BUT I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN WHEN IT COMES TO
LARGER STRUCTURES THAT MIGHT BE 40, 50, 60 FEET TALL.
11:39:33 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
CAN I WEIGH IN ON THIS NOW?
11:39:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ABBYE WAS FINISHED?
11:39:44 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I'LL DEFER TO MR. MICHELINI.
THANK YOU.
11:39:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
11:39:51 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT ABBYE
MADE WAS THIS IS INTERIOR TO A LOT.
THIS IS NOT AN EXTERIOR ISSUE.
AND IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET FROM THE BUILDING CODE IS
TABLE 600 WHICH IS BUILDING SEPARATION FOR FIRE
PROTECTION.
ONCE YOU GET TO A HIGHER LEVEL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE
EITHER FIRE WINDOWS OR WIRE GLASS WINDOWS, OR DELUGE
SYSTEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF YOU WANTED TO RESTRICT TO THE ANYTHING LESS THAN 067
FEET IN HEIGHT THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S TYPICALLY A FOUR-STORY, UNLESS YOU HAD AN
APARTMENT BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THE INTENTION HERE WAS NOT TO CREATE MORE MASSING, IT
WAS SIMPLY TO ESTABLISH THE STANDARD THAT WAS VERY
DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE BASED UPON THE PREVIOUS
CALCULATION.
11:40:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WELL, I'M OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT LIKE
I SAID, STEVE, WITH THE 35-FOOT OR LESS.
OKAY.
I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I THINK MASSING IS AN ISSUE WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
LARGER STRUCTURES.
AND YOU CAN SAY IT'S INTERIOR TO THE PROJECT, BUT IT'S
NOT REALLY BECAUSE IF I AM STANDING ON THE STREET AND I
LOOK AT THESE TWO 60-FOOT BUILDINGS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE
VERY VISIBLE TO ME, AND SOMETIMES THEY NEED MORE ROOM TO
BREATHE BETWEEN THEM.
AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE CODE, I'M TALKING
ABOUT THE VISUAL ASPECTS OF THESE THINGS.
SO LIKE I SAY, I CAN SUPPORT HALF OF THIS.
I CAN SUPPORT THIS UP TO 35 FEET.
BUT ANYTHING HIGHER THAN 35 FEET, NOT ONLY DO I HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH IT BUT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND
THE COMMUNITY HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THESE MASSING STUDIES AND
THE COMMUNITY SAYS WHY ARE YOU EVEN ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE
WHICH IS A MASSING ISSUE.
I'M OKAY WITH COMPROMISING AND SAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD
WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
TO ME.
BUT IT ONLY MAKES SENSE FOR 35 FEET OR LESS.
11:41:50 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
MAY I INTERJECT A CLARIFICATION QUICKLY?
ABBYE FEELEY.
THE WAY THE CODE STATES, IT DOES SAY YARDS BETWEEN
BUILDINGS SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
SO THIS WILL BE APPLICABLE IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE HOME
ON A SINGLE LOT, WHICH WOULDN'T BE.
IT WOULD DEFER TO THE STANDARD 7 AND 7.
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH IS TOWNHOMES, SINGLE-FAMILY
SEMI-DETACHED, WHICH IS DUPLEX, THEN IT GOES TO TWO
FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THE HOTEL AND MOTEL.
WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT MAINTAINING THE CALCULATION AS
IT CURRENTLY STANDS FOR HOTELS AND MOTELS WOULD BE
APPLICABLE, AND THEN A POTENTIAL OF SETTING A STANDARD OF
A 15-FOOT SEPARATION WHERE THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE
BUILDING ON A SINGLE LOT FOR THOSE THAT ARE 35 FEET OR
LESS, THIS WOULD BE YOUR STANDARD, RM, AND RS, BECAUSE
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE RM-24 WHICH GOES UP TO 60 FEET.
11:43:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK WE GOT THE GIST OF MY
COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE IT.
11:43:09 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OKAY.
WE WOULD MODIFY PER THE DIRECTIONS PROVIDED.
11:43:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET ME CONTINUE WITH BY COMMENTS SO
WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS.
11:43:23 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
CAN I MENTION ONE MORE THING?
WE DIDN'T INITIALLY -- WE WEREN'T INCLUDING HOTELS AND
MOTELS.
SO IF WE WANT TO KEEP THAT CALCULATION, I THINK AS ABBYE
POINTED OUT, THAT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.
11:43:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
IN REGARD TO 27-156 OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT
REGULATION, AND I AM ON NUMBER 5, TO REMOVE 35-FOOT
HEIGHT THRESHOLD OR PLACE 35 WHOSE BUILDING HEIGHT WITH
REQUIRED YARDS SHALL BE INCREASED BY ONE FOOT.
OF THE RM-24, IS THE RM-24 MAXED OUT AT 35 FEET, OR HOW
HIGH CAN IT GO?
11:44:06 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
ARE YOU ASKING ME OR ABBYE?
11:44:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK I AM ASKING LACHONE DOCK DO
BEING YOU CAN HAVE A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 60 FEET FOR THE
RM-24.
AND THEN YOU CAN REQUEST --
11:44:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
11:44:20 >>LACHONE DOCK:
-- FOR EACH FOOT OF BIDDING HIGHLIGHT 30
FEET IN RM-24 YOU HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR YARD SETBACK BY
ONE FOOT.
11:44:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE YARD SETBACK.
SO THIS IS NOT THE WEDDING CAKE ISSUE.
11:44:35 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IT IS.
11:44:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT IS THE WEDDING CAKE ISSUE.
11:44:40 >>LACHONE DOCK:
ONCE THE BUILDING IS AT 30 FEET AND YOU
GO ABOVE 30 FEET THAT THEN THAT REQUIRED YARD HAS TO BE
INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL FOOT.
11:44:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RIGHT.
11:44:50 >>LACHONE DOCK:
AND MAXIMUM OF 60 FEET IN HATE.
11:44:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR HERE WAS TO
SET IT AT 35 WHICH ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS
ARE SET AT.
11:45:02 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ALL OUR OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE
BUILDINGS MAY GO UP TO 35, AND THERE IS NO SECOND.
SO WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ASK FOR HERE IS THIS BE
ALLOWED, THAT THE STEP-IN START AT 35 INSTEAD OF 30,
BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T EVEN BUILD -- LET'S SAY THEY WERE
BUILDING STANDARD 35 FEET IN THE RM-24 AT 30 FEET, THEY
HAVE TO STEP IN, WHERE IN EVERY OTHER DISTRICT THROUGHOUT
THE CITY, YOU DON'T STEP IN AT 30 FEET.
SO THEY ARE TRYING TO UNIFORM THAT AND THEN SAY, ANYTHING
ABOVE 35 FEET WILL THEN STEP IN PER THE CURRENT
REQUIREMENT OF THE ONE TO ONE.
11:45:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE FAIR.
THE NEXT PAGE IS ITEM 6.
SO THE VISITOR PARKING -- AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE VIK
BACK ON THE SCREEN -- BUT THE VISITOR PARKING RELATES TO
NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION.
I MEAN, NOBODY REQUIRES YOU TO BUILD TOWNHOMES AND
MULTIFAMILY, ET CETERA, OR VERY OFTEN YOU ARE REPLACING
SINGLE-FAMILY THAT ALWAYS HAD ONE OR TWO CARS, AND NOW
YOU HAVE GOT IN THE SOHO DISTRICT, YOU HAVE THESE QUADS
THAT REPLACED THE SINGLE HOMES, AND IT CREATED QUITE THE
PARKING PROBLEM, SO MUCH SO THAT WE HAD TO CREATE A
PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM, NOT ONLY IN SOHO BUT ALSO I THINK
IN YBOR CITY.
SO VISITORS ARE AN ISSUE.
AND I DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF JUSTIFICATION, ESPECIALLY
FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE, ON WHY WE SHOULD BE
WAIVING THAT VISITOR REQUIREMENT.
MS. FEELEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY POLICY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS?
11:46:56 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO THIS IS REALLY -- THIS IS ONLY FOR
DUPLEX.
BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY TO ELIMINATE VISITOR FOR TWO UNITS.
SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE TWO UNITS THAT SHARE A
COMMON WALL IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU HAVE A TWO-CAR GARAGE
AND A TWO-CAR PARKING PAD OR IN SOME CASES YOU HAVE
SINGLE-CAR GARAGE AND A SINGLE SPACE BEHIND IT, NOW YOU
ARE ASKING FOR A FIFTH SPACE TO HAVE TO BE CREATED
SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND ON A REGULAR STANDARD HOME, THERE IS NO VISITOR, AND
YOU GO TO THE NEXT STEP UP, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHICH
WILL BE THE DUPLEX.
SO ON A DUPLEX, THIS WOULD ONLY BE ON A DUPLEX.
SO TWO UNITS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOUR SPACES PLUS A FIFTH
SPACE FOR ADVICE VISITOR.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE TWO UNITS, AND TYPICALLY -- SAY,
FOR INSTANCE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU ARE IN ONE UNIT
AND I OWN THE OTHER UNIT AND BY CODE WE HAVE A GUESS
SPACE.
WHERE IS THE GUEST SPACE GOING?
SO A LOT OF TIMES, THESE COME BEFORE YOU AS A WAIVER OR
AS BEING ON THE SIDE AND THEN NOW THEY HAVE A BUFFER
REDUCTION AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WHEN YOU GO TO TOWNHOMES, WHICH IS THREE OR MORE
UNITS, AND YOU HAVE TO START TO ACCOMMODATE THAT VISITOR,
WHICH I REALLY THINK HISTORICALLY WAS BEHIND WHAT YOU
JUST REFERRED TO WITH THE QUADS, IN COURIER CITY OSKAWANA
ON THOSE OTHER AREAS, IF THERE'S ANOTHER ODDITY, SO A
TWO-CAR GARAGE AND A TWO-CAR PAD AND YOU STILL OWN A
SPACE EVEN IN THEORY YOU ARE HAVING FOUR SPACES PER UNIT.
11:49:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET ME JUST CLARIFY, MS. FEELEY, WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT DUPLEX, IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE, OH, IT'S
JUST A LITTLE DUPLEX.
BUT THE REALITY IS A DOUBLE TOWN HOME, 2,000 SQUARE FEET
EACH, OKAY, IS STILL IN OUR CODE A DUPLEX.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY -- SO NOW INSTEAD OF A
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE, WITH TWO CARS ON THAT SAME LOT, VERY
OFTEN, IF THE CODE ALLOWS IT OR COUNCIL ALLOWS IT, WE ARE
PUTTING TWO HOMES, AND TYPICALLY THEY ARE 2,000 SQUARE
FEET OR MORE, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE TWO SPACES FOR
THEMSELVES EACH, WHICH WOULD BE FOUR SPACES, AND THEN ANY
VISITORS, THE MINUTE THEY HAVE A PARTY THAT ALL FLOWs
OUT.
AND WE OFTEN FIND THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT
NEIGHBORHOODS COMPLAIN ABOUT IS THE PARKING PROBLEM, AND
EMERGENCY VEHICLES GETTING UP AN DOWN THEIR STREETS,
PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND
EVERYTHING.
I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING FROM A PRACTICAL SENSE.
11:50:16 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THIS IS NOT MY MIND, SO THIS IS MR.
MICHELINI'S AMENDMENT.
SO THAT GETS PLACED IN A VERY ODD SITUATION TRYING TO
EXPLAIN AND DEFEND THAT.
SO I WOULD DEFER TO MR. MICHELINI.
IF YOU DO HAVE A TWO-CAR GARAGE AND A TWO-CAR PAD, TO ME
THAT IS FOUR SPACES AND THE GUEST IS ULTIMATELY A COMPLEX
ON THESE TWO UNITS IF THEY DO HAVE THAT SITUATION.
SO I WOULD REALLY DEFER TO MR. MICHELINI AS HE IS PUTTING
FORTH AT YOUR REQUEST.
11:51:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HE CAN SPEAK TO IT AFTER MY NEXT
QUESTION.
THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 7.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
MS. DOCK OR MS. FEELEY, I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING IT.
11:51:12 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN AN
AVERAGE IS MORE THAN THE 20 FOOT, SO --
11:51:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO, I AM ON THE ALLOW FRONT ENTRANCES
FACING COURTYARDS.
NUMBER 7.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE DOING?
11:51:38 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO RIGHT NOW, OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT ALL
FRONT ENTRANCES FACE THE STREET.
FOR A RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY DON'T FACE SIDE YARDS AND THEY
DO NOT FACE ALLEYS.
THEN WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN COME THROUGH A DESIGN
EXCEPTION TO REQUEST THAT THEY BE ABLE TO FACE THE
COURTYARD, AT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DISCRETION, AND
THAT IS A DESIGN EXCEPTION.
I BELIEVE WHAT MR. MICHELINI IS HERE IF THEY FACE A
COURTYARD THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN
EXCEPTION.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. MICHELINI?
11:52:20 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
YES.
THAT'S CORRECT.
11:52:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
AND THIS DOCUMENT SAYS THAT STAFF, QUOTE, SUPPORTS THAT.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS IDEA?
11:52:33 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
IF YOU WANT ME TO START THIS
DISCUSSION, IT'S REALLY A DESIGN OPPORTUNITY, AND IT'S
HISTORIC IN NATURE.
IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU
HAD A WALK-UP FRONT DOOR, AND THEN THE UNITS BROKE OFF TO
THE SIDE.
WHEN THE CODE WAS ADOPTED, WHEN THE MODIFICATION WAS
ADOPTED, STOPPED UNITS FROM FACING THE ALLEYS, I DON'T
THINK IT WAS INTENDED TO STOP COURTYARD-FACING UNITS, BUT
YOU WOULD HAVE AN INTERIOR COURTYARD WITH AN ADDRESS ON
THE SOUTH SIDE THAT FACED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT WOULD BE
CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS AN ENTRYWAY WHERE YOU WOULD WALK
THROUGH THAT AREA, AND THEN YOU QUO ACCESS YOUR
INDIVIDUAL UNIT.
WE REVIEWED THIS WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, BECAUSE
THERE SEEMED TO BE A CONCERN ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD IDENTIFY
THE UNITS, AND THEY WERE FINE WITH THAT, AND THEY WERE
ALSO FINE WITH THE ACCESS.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER DESIGN OPTION WHICH AS I SAID, IT'S
HISTORIC IN NATURE, IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT, AND WE WERE
TRYING TO ELIMINATE HAVING TO CONTINUE TO FILE DESIGN
EXCEPTIONS FOR SOMETHING WHICH WE THOUGHT SHOULD BE
ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
11:54:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, IF I F I MAY.
11:54:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE ARE LOOKING AT A NEW CONCEPT OF
HOUSES THAT JOINED BY COMMON WALL.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SETBACK, AND I CAN SHOW YOU HOUSES
ON A SINGLE LOT THAT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
WHERE THEY HAVE FIVE AND SIX AND SEVEN CARS IN FRONT OF
THE HOUSE, WHERE THE HOUSE WASN'T BUILT FOR THAT.
AND THE REASON IS KIDS ARE STAYING LONG WE ARE THEIR
PARENTS TO SAVE MONEY TORE BUY A HOUSE OR WHATEVER AND
THEY HAVE A CAR, AND THEY ARE LIVING WITH THEIR PARENTS.
SO I'M SURE THERE'S SOME IN DISTRICT 5 ALL OVER WHERE YOU
HAVE A HOUSE, AND I CAN SHOW YOU SOME ANYTIME YOU WANT,
NEW HOUSES BUILT, DOUBLE CAR GARAGE, THERE'S TWO CARS IN
IT, THERE'S TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THERE'S
TWO CARS BEHIND THEM, WHICH HALF OF IT IS BLOCKING THE
SIDEWALK.
AND THAT'S HOW IT IS.
SO I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A MAGICIAN.
THE FACT ARE THERE.
AND WE HAVE TO LOOK HE AT THE FACTS.
IT MEETS THE CODE AT THE TIME THEY BUY THE HOUSE.
BUT THEY PARK IN THE STREETS ARE NARROW AND YOU HAVE A
PROBLEM.
BUT THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING.
THE BUILDING WAS APPROVED.
EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED.
BUT THEN COMES THE AFTERMATH.
AND THERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT.
11:55:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I ONLY HAVE TWO
MORE ITEMS, 8 AND 9 WHICH IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK,
ALLOW FRONT YARD AT 20 FEET OR BLOCK AVERAGE, WHICHEVER
IS LESS.
AND I THINK I'M OKAY WITH IT BUT I JUST WANT TO GET
CONFER CONFIRMATION FROM MS. DOCK THAT THIS WENT TO THE
EAST TAMPA, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO IN EAST TAMPA
WOULD GO TO, MAYBE THE CAC, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER
GROUP.
AND ALSO IN REGARD TO WEST TAMPA, THAT THOSE GROUPS
SPECIFICALLY REVIEWED IT, UNDER IT, AND ACCEPTED IT.
AND MS. DOCK OR MS. FEELEY, JUST GIVE ME COMFORT ON THAT
ONE.
11:56:31 >>LACHONE DOCK:
YES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
THE REQUEST WAS SENT TO BOTH THE EAST TAMPA AND WEST
TAMPA CRA FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.
WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY CONCERNS OR ANY COMMENTS FROM
EITHER CRA.
I DID ADVISE MR. MICHELINI TO REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO THE
WEST TAMPA CRA BECAUSE THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY CODE HAD
JUST COME THROUGH AND YOU MAY REMEMBER WE JUST HAD THE
REVISIONS TO THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY JUST TO MAKE SURE
THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THE REQUEST.
SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I CONFIRMED WITH THE WEST
TAMPA CAC AND CRA, THEY DID APPEAR AT ONE OF THE
MEETINGS, HE DID EXPLAIN HIS REQUESTS, THERE WERE NO
OBJECTIONS TO STEVE.
I KNOW HE DID APPEAR BEFORE THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
STEVE, JUST CONFIRM THAT YOU DID MAKE DIRECT CONTACT WITH
THE EAST TAMPA.
FROM THE CRAs, I RECEIVED NO COMMENT.
AND I DID CONFIRM THE WEST TAMPA.
11:57:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
STEVE, WHAT WAS YOUR EXPOSURE
EXPERIENCE WITH EAST TAMPA?
11:57:34 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I TALKED TO BRENDA THROWER, WHO HAD
JUST TAKEN OVER THAT PORTION OF THE CRA, AND THEY HAD NO
OBJECTION.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY HAD EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING
WEST TAMPA HAD WHEN THEY HAD VERY LARGE DEEP LOTS, AND
YOU HAD NO OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY WERE HAPPY WITH THAT.
ALL IT'S DOING IS ESTABLISHING A STANDARD FRONT --
11:58:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MICHELINI, EAST TAMPA HAS A CERTAIN
OVERLAY.
MS. THROWER IS NEW THERE.
AND I DON'T RECALL HEARING ANYTHING ABOUT ANYBODY GOING
TO DIANE HART, WHO ORIGINALLY SET THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY,
I DON'T RECALL ANY MEETING THAT YOU OR ANY GROUP WENT
BEFORE THE CAC TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
AND WHAT I SEE, GENTLEMEN, ALL THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT
ARE COMING, CHANGE AND THAT, NO ONE HAS TALKED TO THESE
NEIGHBORHOOD OR REALLY EXPLAINED WHAT THESE TEXT
ENDMENTS -- TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PROPERTY REALLY IS,
AND WE ARE SITTING UP HERE. TO ME THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT
CONCEPT, A DEVELOPER CONCEPT.
THIS IS NOT A COMMUNITY DRIVEN IDEA OR CONCEPT.
AND FOR ME, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THESE, WE HAVE TO
HAVE SOME KIND OF STANDARD POLICY WITHIN THE CITY AS
RELATES TO THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY ARE BEING FORCED OUT, AND
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, YOU HAVE A LOT OF -- ALL
DEVELOPMENTAL ATTORNEYS AND DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE
PEOPLE.
REGARDLESS, WE HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND OUR
ATTORNEYS THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE
DEVELOPERS, BUT THE PEOPLE, AND MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND.
WE GET ALL THESE CHARGES THROWN AT US AND THEY DON'T I
WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE BUYING INTO.
WE DIDN'T KNOW IT DID THAT.
AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE DON'T EDUCATE THE PEOPLE WELL ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT WE WANT THEM TO KNOW.
WE JUST TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO.
I'M JUST SAYING -- LET STAFF KNOW, COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS A
PROBLEM FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND THE COMMUNITY NOT
BEING KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY
OR ANY TYPE OF FORM.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNTY, RIGHT NOW, GWEN MEYERS, SHE
HAS SIGNS ALL OVER THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES, HER PHOTO ON THERE,
GIVE THE DATE AND TIME.
WE DO NONE OF THAT HERE AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE
MEETINGS ARE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING HALF THE
TIME, AND THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.
WE NEED TO FOLLOW SOME OF THE COUNTY'S PROTOCOLS AS
RELATES TO THE TOWNHOMES SO PEOPLE ARE PROPERLY NOTICED.
MR. DINGFELDER, I YIELD BACK TO YOU, SIR.
12:00:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION AND I AGREE
WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IN REGARD TO THIS BATCH OF
PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS, I THINK
UNFORTUNATELY THE CODE ALLOWS THEM TO KIND OF CHUG
ALONG -- AND I WILL TAKE ADVICE FROM MS. WELLS, WHO IS
HERE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IT APPEARS THAT
SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE PALATABLE, AND SOME OF THEM IN MY
OPINION NEED CHANGING SLIGHTLY, AND SOME I WILL VOTE
AGAINST.
SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH MARCHING THROUGH THESE ON AN ITEM
BY ITEM BASIS, 1 THROUGH 9.
IF NOBODY IS APPEARING REMOTELY WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT BY
A QUICK VOTE INSTEAD OF A ROLL CALL VOTE, I THINK.
BUT MARCHING THROUGH 1 THROUGH 9 AND THEN JUST SEE WHERE
THAT TAKES US.
BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I AGREE WITH YOU
COMPLETELY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
OH, AND ALSO IN REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS ON
I GUESS JUNE 7th OR SOMETHING, WE HAVE ALL GOT
E-MAILS ABOUT THAT, AND HAVE BEEN WHO ATTENDED SAID IT
WAS QUITE A DISASTER, AND NO FAULT OF STAFF, BUT THEY
JUST SAID IT WAS A DISASTER IN TERMS OF RIG TRYING TO GET
A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THESE THINGS ARE ABOUT.
12:01:55 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
MAY I BE RECOGNIZED, MR. CHAIRMAN?
THE WEST TAMPA AND EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT, THOSE
WERE REQUESTED BY THE STAFF FOR US TO INCLUDE IN OUR
PRESENTATION, AND QUITE HONESTLY, THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC
DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PUSHING THAT OR ANY PARTICULAR
BUILDER THAT WAS PUSHING THAT.
IT WAS DESIGNED TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE CODE AND ESTABLISH
WHAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS WOULD BE TO HELP PEOPLE, NOT
TO HURT THEM.
12:02:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RIGHT.
SO WE SHOULD HEAR FROM MRS. FEELEY IN REGARD TO THAT
STATEMENT.
12:02:41 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
SHE WASN'T INVOLVED THEN.
SHE WASN'T BACK WITH THE CITY AT THAT POINT.
12:02:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHO ASKED YOU TO INCLUDE THIS?
12:02:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CATHY COYLE, GLORIA MOREDA.
THIS GOES BACK, THESE ARE FOUR YEARS OLD.
12:02:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
12:02:54 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT ABBYE ON THE
SPOT, BUT SHE INHERITED THIS.
SHE WAS JUST COMING BACK INTO THE CITY.
12:03:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE -- THE CITY HAS
HAD PLENTY OF CHANCE TO DO THEIR OWN TEXT AMENDMENTS. I
DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ASKED YOU TO INCLUDE IT ON YOURS.
12:03:11 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
WHEN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY CAME
THROUGH IT WAS TOO LATE TO INCLUDE THIS PROVISION IN
THEIR REQUEST.
SO THE TIMING WAS OFF.
I DID PERSONALLY TALK TO -- I WAS ON A ZOOM MEETING WITH
THE WEST TAMPA CAC, AND I REVIEWED THIS IN DETAIL WITH
THEM.
THEY NOT ONLY HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT, THEY APPLAUD IT
BECAUSE IT SOLVED A LOT OF THEIR PROBLEMS.
12:03:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO GO
AHEAD THROUGH AND MARCH THROUGH THESE WITH QUICK VOTES,
AND THEN WE CAN MOVE SOME OF THEM FORWARD AND MAYBE SOME
OF THEM STOP.
CAN WE DO THAT?
12:03:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY?
12:04:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T BLAME HIM.
[ LAUGHTER ]
12:04:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I -- WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD
QUESTIONS, MAKING SURE THAT CRAS AND STUFF ARE NOTIFIED
PROPERLY AND MAKING SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO I AM NOT INCLINED TO TAKE MOTIONS ON THIS TODAY.
I WOULD RATHER WAIT AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTIES
UNDERSTAND, AND ALSO I BELIEVE WE HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT
TEXT AMENDMENTS, HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE GO FORWARD WITH
THAT IN THE FUTURE.
IS THAT CORRECT?
12:04:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ON AUGUST 15th OR AUGUST 4th?
WHAT DID WE DEFER THOSE OTHER ONES TO?
AUGUST 26th?
12:04:40 >>LACHONE DOCK:
YES, AUGUST 26th.
12:04:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHY DON'T WE JUST DEFER ALL OF THESE
UNTIL AUGUST 26th THEN?
12:04:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE PETITIONER TO COME BACK WITH
SOMETHING --
12:04:57 >>BILL CARLSON:
IN ADDITION TO THE CACs, I RECOMMEND
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, PARTICULARLY RECONSTITUTED
T.H.A.N., BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
IMPACT WOULD BE TO THEM.
12:05:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO MY MOTION IS TO DEFER ITEM 5 TO
AUGUST 26th TO COINCIDE WITH THE REST OF OUR PITA
DISCUSSIONS.
12:05:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
GENTLEMEN, I AM GOING TO ASK A QUESTION.
WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 9.
WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE, MR. SHELBY, IS THAT
CORRECT, TO SPEAK?
BREAK FOR LUNCH NOW AND GET THOSE FOLKS ON THE BACK END
WHEN WE GET BACK HERE, OR TAKE THOSE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE
NOW?
12:05:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO WE HAVE TO DO THE 1:30?
12:05:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BE BACK AT 1:30.
12:05:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, FUR GOING TO TAKE A
RECESS NOW, AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE AT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
AT 1:30, WOULD YOU HAVE A RECESS OF THIS MEETING TODAY
NOW UNTIL 2:00?
12:06:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAYBE 2:00.
THE REST OF THE AGENDA ITEMS SHOULDN'T BE TOO INVOLVED.
7 AND 8.
A FEW QUESTIONS.
SHOULDN'T TAP VERY LONG.
WE SHOULD GET THAT OUT.
12:06:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THE DIRECTION TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
WAITING THAT DO WISH TO SPEAK?
12:06:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. MIRANDA'S AIDE
SAID THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM COMING BACK.
I SEE JEAN DUNCAN.
12:06:31 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
WE WERE JUST INQUIRING ABOUT YOUR SCHEDULE BECAUSE WE DO
HAVE SOME FOLKS READY TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 9.
WE DO HAVE ONE LADY WHO WILL BE CATCHING A PLANE AT 3:00.
SO IF WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR SCHEDULE AND YOUR OTHER
ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE, SO JUST WANTING TO GET THE LATEST ON
THE SCHEDULE SO WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
12:06:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE'LL TAKE ITEM NUMBER 9 AT 2:00.
WE'LL TAKE A RECESS UNTIL 2:00.
[ COUNCIL RECESS ]
02:00:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.
02:01:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
02:01:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
02:01:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.
02:01:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
02:01:09 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
02:01:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
02:01:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
02:01:12 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
02:01:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BEFORE WE START, GENTLEMEN, I DID NOT
LOOK AT THE NEWS THIS MORNING.
AS I WAS EATING MY LUNCH I TURNED ON THE TELEVISION TO
CNN.
I DID NOT KNOW WE HAD A DEVASTATING SITUATION IN MIAMI.
I WATCHED THE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THAT.
THE VIDEO FOOTAGE IS HORRENDOUS.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE MANY CASUALTIES.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR
THOSE FAMILIES, THE FIREFIGHTERS, AS THEY TRY TO SEARCH
AND FIND FOLKS LOVED ONES.
THEY ARE GOING TO NEED OUR PRAYERS.
IF WE COULD TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE.
(MOMENT OF SILENCE).
I THANK YOU.
WE ARE GOING TO JUMP IN MR. SHELBY TO ITEM NUMBER 9.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A
WHILE.
GENTLEMEN, DO YOU PREFER THAT STAFF GO WITH THE
PRESENTATION AND THEN WE HEAR FROM ANYONE FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THOSE
FOLKS FIRST?
02:02:32 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THE PUBLIC TO
COMMENT ON WHATEVER THEY HEAR, UNLESS THEY DON'T WANT TO
WAIT.
02:02:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL GO AHEAD.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING?
IF THE STAFF WANTS TO DO THEIR PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE
WILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
02:02:56 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR INTEREST THIS AFTERNOON
REGARDING OUR PURE PROJECTS.
AS I SAID A COUPLE TIMES, THIS PURE BASICALLY IS OUR
ACRONYM FOR PURIFIED USABLE RESOURCES FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT, A PROCESS THAT WE SUSPECT WILL END UP WITH A
PROJECT FOR TAMPA INTERESTED IN SUSTAINABILITY AND
RESILIENCY.
I WANT TO THE TAKE A MOMENT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WILL
BE INTRODUCING OUR CONSULTANT TEAM WHO IS ON THE SECOND
FLOOR.
WE ALSO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE ON OUR INDEPENDENT PANEL THAT
WILL BE CALLING IN VIRTUALLY, SO THEY ARE PART OF THE
PRESENTATION.
AND I WILL INTRODUCE THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH.
WE'LL KEEP THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN GET
TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND THE PUBLIC INPUT AS SOON AS WE
SHARE A BIT OF INFORMATION.
JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS PROCESS STARTED WITH OUR
INTEREST IN SOLVING THREE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE
IDENTIFIED, ONE TO REDUCE THE BENEFICIAL NONRECLAIMED
WATER THAT GOES INTO THE BAY CURRENTLY, THE OTHER TO
IMPROVE THE NECESSARY FLOWS FOR THE HEALTH AND VOLUME OF
OUR RIVER, AND THE THIRD FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO PREPARE
FOR CONDITIONS UNFORESEEN THAT MAY COME IN THE FUTURE SO
WE ALWAYS HAVE A SUSTAINED WATER SUPPLY AND OPTIONS FOR
THAT WATER SUPPLY.
YOU VERY QUICKLY AS A REMINDER, WE CAME TO YOU AT THE
BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR WITH A LOT OF ENERGY, AND ENOUGH
THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF OUR SCHEDULE.
AT THAT TIME WE ANNOUNCED ABOUT $10 MILLION FOR THE
BEGINNING OF A DESIGN CONCEPT, AND WE WANTED TO INITIATE
WITH CO-FUNDING WITH SWFWMD.
THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS BOARD, WE REALIZED WE
NEEDED TO PUT A SLOWER PACE ON THINGS AND TAKE A DEEPER
DIVE INTO THE PUBLIC ENGAGE.
AS WELL AS THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS.
WE ALSO ENGAGED WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE LEAGUE
OF WOMEN VOTERS, SIERRA CLUB, AND THE FRIENDS OF THE
RIVER, HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
IF ANY OF THEM ARE WATCHING THIS AFTERNOON, WE WANT TO
THANK THEM FOR ALL THE TIME THEY PUT IN SO FAR AND WE
KNOW THEY WILL HAVE CONTINUED COLLABORATION WITH US AS WE
MOVE FORWARD.
WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR TIME AND INTEREST.
OUR THIRD DISCUSSION IN JANUARY CAME BACK THE NEXT MONTH
WITH A MUCH REDUCED REQUEST FOR $650,000 TO BE SPENT ON A
MORE THOROUGH ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS FOR SOME FUNDING FOR
INDEPENDENT PANEL REVIEW OF THE CONCEPT WE WERE
DISCUSSING FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND TO MATCH THE SWFWMD
FUNDS FOR A CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT WHICH ARE ALL UNDERWAY
NOW.
SO TODAY WE WANT TO SHARE BACK FURTHER DETAIL OF WHAT WE
HAVE PROVIDED IN MAY, WHICH WAS SOME OF THE INDEPENDENT
PANEL REVIEW RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUTPUTS.
WE ALSO WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE FINAL
VERSION OF OUR ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS, AND CERTAINLY LET
OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE A CHANCE TO SHARE SOME INITIAL WORK
THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND WE
ANTICIPATE DOING A LOT MORE OF THAT, AND WE WILL BE
LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO CONTINUES MORE OF THAT PUBLIC
OUTREACH GOING FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO ASK BRAD TO GET US STARTED,
AND HE WILL BE WORKING LOGISTICS FOR OUR TEAM ON THE
SECOND FLOOR AS THEY HAVE A PART IN THE PRESENTATIONS.
THANK YOU.
02:06:45 >>BRAD BAIRD:
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
LET ME ADVANCE THE SLIDES HERE.
THE ORDER THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH IS FIRST THE PUBLIC
OUTREACH, WHICH WAS I THINK THE FIRST MOTION MADE FOR
THIS WORKSHOP, AND THEN WE WILL GO VIRTUAL WITH NWRI AND
THE RESEARCH DONE ON THE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS, AND THEN
FINALLY A SUMMARY OF THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
SO STARTING WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE RETAINED HDR
ENGINEERING FOR THE INITIAL PUBLIC OUTREACH SERVICES, AND
THAT WAS AFTER YOUR APPROVAL OF THE $650,000 IN FEBRUARY.
AND THE TEAM WE HAVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO TALK IS THREE
PEOPLE FROM HDR.
KATIE DOODY, THE VICE PRESIDENT, AND MICHELLE BRENNAN,
AND TERESA DONALDSON.
AND THEY, MICHELLE WILL BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION.
SO WITH THAT, MICHELLE, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
02:08:00 >> THANK YOU, BRAD.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE BRENNAN AND I AM PART OF HDR'S BE
STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION TEAM.
AS BRAD MENTIONED WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SHARE OUR
HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THIS INITIAL ROUND OF PUBLIC
OUTREACH SURROUNDING THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE.
CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE?
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS INITIAL OUTREACH PHASE WAS TO
FIRST GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF INDUSTRY BEST
PRACTICES RELATED TO COMMUNICATION AND ENGAGEMENT
SURROUNDING REUSE PROGRAM.
AND SECONDLY, WAS TO LEARN ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY'S
UNDERSTANDING OF WATER RESOURCES, RELIABILITY, AND REUSE,
PLUS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THESE TYPES OF
PROGRAMS.
AND OUR NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE GOING TO TALK THROUGH OUR
APPROACH, WHICH IS THREE STRATEGIES.
FIRST, WE CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS WITH UTILITIES THAT ARE
CURRENTLY EXPLORING OR IMPLEMENTING REUSE PROGRAMS.
SECONDLY WE HOSTED A SERIES OF MEETING CONVERSATIONS,
FOCUS GROUPS, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUSINESS LEADERS.
AND THIRDLY, THE STRATEGIC COMMUNITY SURVEY TO RESIDENT
AND BUSINESSES.
I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF, ESPECIALLY CHUCK AND SONYA,
RANDY FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP, FIRST TO HELP IDENTIFY THE
UTILITIES AND COMMUNITY CONVERSATION PARTICIPANTS, AND
ALSO FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE IN PROMOTING AND DISTRIBUTING
THE SURVEY.
OUR OUTREACH TOOK PLACE FROM MARCH 22ND AND WENT THROUGH
MAY 27.
SO LET'S TAKE A DEEPER LOOK INTO B WHAT YOUR INDUSTRY
OUTREACH EVENTS LOOK LIKE.
ALL WHO HAVE SUCCESSFUL REUSE PROGRAMS OR ARE RESEARCHING
AND PLANNING FOR INNOVATIVE WATER REUSE PROGRAMS.
IN FACT SOME OF THESE UTILITIES STARTED THEIR WATER REUSE
PROGRAM IN THE EARLY 1960s.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN 400 WATER
REUSE INITIATIVES UNDERWAY IN THE UNITED STATES, AND WE
DID CONDUCT OUR PHONE INTERVIEWS FROM MARCH 22ND TO MAY
2nd AND CAPTURED IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON HOW THESE
UTILITIES EDUCATE AND ENGAGE THEIR COMMUNITIES.
AS YOU CAN SEE IMAGINE, THE PROGRAMS VARY TREMENDOUSLY IN
SIZE AND SCALE, BUT AS A REMINDER OUR CONVERSATION
PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THEIR OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION
EFFORTS I.DO QUANTITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT ALL THE UTILITIES
WE SPOKE WITH WERE PROUD ABOUT THEIR PROGRAMS AND OFFERED
TO BE A CONTINUED RESOURCE TO THE CITY STAFF.
OUR DISTRICTS ARE FINDING AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE
UTILITIES, THEY ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THE TOPIC OF RE R REUSE
HAS OPENED THE DOOR FOR A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN OUR
COMMUNITY, AND THEIR REUSE PROGRAMS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE,
AND THEREFORE THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR COMMUNITIES
HAVE ALSO CONTINUED TO EVOLVING.
IN ADDITION, THERE WAS ALSO SEVERAL OVERARCHING THEMES
ASSOCIATED WITH BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO COMMUNICATIONS
AND ENGAGEMENT SURROUNDING THE REUSE PROGRAM.
FIRST, THAT THESE PROJECTS TAKE TIME AND THEY DON'T
HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
SO AS THE PROGRAM EVOLVES, IT'S CRITICAL THAT OUTREACH
EDUCATION MOVE IN TANDEM WITH THE PROGRAM.
IT CANNOT OPERATE IN A SILO.
AND THIS ENGAGEMENT MUST BE SO.
SECONDLY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP PARTNERSHIPS.
ALL OF THE UTILITIES DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE OF PARTNERING
WITH ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, AS WELL THE IMPORTANCE OF
WORKING WITH OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS INCLUDING YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
THIRD, ALL THE UTILITIES DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE OF
COLLABORATING WITH ELECTED LEADERSHIP AT THE LOCAL, STATE
AND FEDERAL LEVEL AS APPROPRIATE BASED ON PUBLIC AND
COMMUNITY.
IT WAS CLEAR AFTER TALKING TO ALL OF THESE UTILITIES THAT
PARTNERSHIP, INCLUSIVE ENGAGEMENT AND CONTINUOUS
EDUCATION STRONGLY SUPPORTED THE SUCCESS OF THEIR
PROGRAM.
JUST A FEW OF THE QUOTES THAT WE GATHERED FROM THE
UTILITIES WE SPOKE WITH.
AS YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS DEFINITELY CONSENSUS SURROUNDING
THE IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT.
I AM GOING TO TRANSITION AND SHARE SOME OF OUR FINDINGS
FROM THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND SURVEY.
HOSTED FOUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND INCLUDED A
SURVEY.
MOST OF THE PARTICIPANTS WE SPOKE WITH, THEY JUST WANT TO
LEARN MORE.
THIS COMMUNITY HAS AN AWARENESS OF THE TOP I CAN OF REUSE
AND THEY HAVE AN APPETITE TO LEARN MORE.
THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND
COMMUNITY SURVEY RESULTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A NEED TO DO MORE, BOTH GEOGRAPHICALLY
AS WELL AS INCLUDE MORE PARTICIPANTS.
FOR CONTEXT, THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WERE LIKE FOCUS
GROUPS, DESIGNED TO BE SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS THAT
ALLOWED US TO DO SOME POLLING, BUT WE ALSO SPENT A LOT OF
TIME DISCUSSING THE RESULTS AND THE FEEDBACK.
WE HOSTED FOUR OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ON MAY 4th AT
NOON AND 7 P.M. AND MAY 6th AT NOON AND 6 P.M.
A TOTAL OF 19 PARTICIPANTS REPRESENTED 11 NEIGHBORHOODS
IN OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.
WE WORKED WITH MORAY HOMES, ENGAGEMENT MANAGER TO INVITE
NEIGHBORHOOD HOA LEADERS, WORKED WITH MICHELLE VAN LOAN
TO IDENTIFY AREA BUSINESS LEADERS AND STAFF ALSO
REFLECTED CONTACTS FROM THE CITY TO BE ADDED TO THE
CONVERSATION LIST.
IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK ONE SLIDE AND JUST GOING TO PAUSE
FOR A FEW MOMENTS ON THAT SLIDE.
THANK YOU.
FOR OUR SURVEY IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE
WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO AS A RESULT WE USED A VARIETY OF TARGETED EFFORTS TO
PROMOTE THE SURVEY.
WE DISTRIBUTED A LINK TO HOA AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS
FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT MANAGER AND ASKED THEM
TO SHARE AMONG THEIR NEIGHBORS.
WE DISTRIBUTED TO CRA BUSINESS LEADERS, FROM CITY STAFF,
WE POSTED IT ON NEXT DOOR MULTIPLE TIMES, WE SHARED IT
WITH HR TO PROMOTE CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES, WE WORKED
WITH THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY TO DISTRIBUTE A FLIER,
WE HAD 414 SURVEY PARTICIPANTS AND THE SURVEY WAS LIVE
MAY 10 THROUGH 27.
SO OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND OUR SURVEY QUESTIONS
WERE REALLY GROUPED INTO FOUR CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE ON
THIS NEXT SLIDE.
DEMOGRAPHICS, DRINKING WATER, RECLAIMED WATER, ENGAGEMENT
AND EDUCATION.
OUR DEMOGRAPHIC QUESTIONS INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM
PARTICIPANTS' AGE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY LIVE IN, AND THE
LENGTH OF TIME THEY LIVED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AN INTERESTING RESULT WAS THAT MOST OF OUR PARTICIPANTS
WERE OVER 50 YEARS IN AGE AND THE STRONG MAJORITY HAD
LIVED IN TAMPA FOR TEN-PLUS YEARS.
OUR DRINKING WATER QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON QUANTITY,
QUALITY, AND RESILIENCY, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE
PARTICIPANTS BELIEVED THAT ACCESS IN THE FUTURE MAY BE AN
ISSUE AND SUPPORT THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO EXPLORE OPTIONS.
RECLAIMED WATER QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON TREATMENT, SAFETY,
AND DESTINATION.
WHILE MOST PARTICIPANTS DO BELIEVE IT'S POSSIBLE TO TREAT
RECLAIMED WATER TO HIGH ENOUGH STANDARDS TO DRINK, THERE
STILL IS A DESIRE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND LEARN
MORE.
ANY ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON THEIR
INTEREST IN REUSE AND PARTICIPANTS PROVIDED IDEAS OF HOW
THE CITY CAN ENHANCE THEIR CURRENT OUTREACH AND EDUCATION
EFFORTS.
OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS REALLY PRESENTED A FACE SPACE
FOR AN EXCHANGE OF COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS AND IT WAS
REALLY POWERFUL TO HEAR THAT ALL THE PARTICIPANTS WERE IN
SUPPORT OF THE CITY EXPLORING THIS TOPIC, A AN INNOVATIVE
WAY TO KEEP UP WITH INCREASING DEMANDS FOR WATER.
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WERE REALLY EAGER TO
PARTICIPATE WITH THE CITY ON THIS TOPIC.
I PERSONALLY ENJOYED MY TIME SO MUCH WITH BEING AND
ENGAGING WITH THEM.
THERE'S SO MUCH PRIDE AND LOVE FOR THIS CITY, IT FILLED
MY HEART WHEN WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
WE ALSO DID SOME POLLING AS WELL DURING THE COMMUNITY
CONVERSATIONS, AND THE BIG TAKEAWAY THAT WE LEARNED FROM
THE POLLING QUESTION WAS THAT THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF
TRUST IN THE CITY TO PROVIDE RELIABLE CLEAN AND SAFE
DRINKING WATER, AND NOT ONLY IS THIS TOPIC SOMETHING THAT
THEY WANT THE CITY TO EXPLORE, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO KNOW
MORE ABOUT IT, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR
EDUCATION.
AS WITH THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS, WE SAW SIMILAR
FINDINGS ON OUR POLLING QUESTIONS WITH OUR SURVEY.
AGAIN, MOST OF THE RESPONDENTS HAVE TRUST IN THE CITY TO
PROVIDE CLEAN AND SAFE DRINKING WATER, AND MORE THAN HALF
WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WATER REUSE.
IT WAS POWERFUL TO SEE THESE RESULTS.
HOWEVER, YOUR COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS
SURROUNDING WATER REUSE.
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THESE TWO QUESTIONS DURING THIS
PRESENTATION AND THE RESULTS, BECAUSE IT REALLY
DEMONSTRATES THE AMAZING CULTURE OF COMMUNITY TRUST WE
HAVE IN TAMPA, AND A WILLINGNESS TO LEARN MORE, AND BOTH
OF THESE ARE CRITICAL ELEMENTS, SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT PROGRAMS.
AND BOTH THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND THE SURVEY, WE
HAD A LOT OF OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS, AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE
YOU WILL SEE THEY DIDN'T GENERATE STATISTICS OR
PERCENTAGES, BUT REALLY PROVIDED VALUABLE INSIGHT AS TO
HOW THE COMMUNITY'S QUESTIONS AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY
QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ARE AROUND WATER REUSE.
IT INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM HEALTH AND SAFETY, CONCERNS
FROM CONTAMINATION TO SICKNESS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT,
PUTTING THE WATER BACK INTO THE GROUND DURING SURFACE
WATERS, ACCESS, AVAILABILITY, HOW DOES FUTURE GROWTH AND
DEMAND IMPACT THE WATER SUPPLY, AND QUALITY, TASTE AND
SMELL.
SO WE HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
AND CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD, WE FOLLOWED IT UP WITH
ANOTHER OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, AND WE ASKED, HOW COULD THE
CITY DO BETTER TO COMMUNICATE AND CONNECT WITH RESIDENTS
AND BUSINESSES ON THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE?
AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU WILL SEE WHAT WE HEARD WAS THAT
THEY WANT MORE.
THEY WANT MORE COMMUNICATION, THEY WANT IT MORE
FREQUENTLY, THEY WANT IT MORE ACCESSIBLY.
THEY ARE INTERESTED IN INCORPORATING SOME SORT OF
INTERACTIVE EDUCATION.
IT'S DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY A COMPLEX TOPIC
AND IT'S REALLY NOT AS AN ENGINEER TO UNDERSTAND THE
COMPLEXITY OF THESE TOPICS.
SO INTERACTIVE EDUCATION.
THEY LOVE THE SMALL GROUP CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD.
THEY LIKE THE CITY TO GO TO WHERE THEY ARE, ATTEND MORE
EVENTS, AND DEFINITELY STRENGTHEN SOME OF THOSE
PARTNERSHIPS WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, YOUR SCHOOLS,
AND REALLY LEVERAGE YOUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE MEDIA.
SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US?
SO IT STARTS THIS PRESENTATION WITH RECOGNIZING THAT THE
INITIAL PHASE OF OUTREACH WAS REALLY CONDUCTED IN A
CONDENSED TIME FRAME, AND THE RESULTS ARE NOT
REPRESENTATIVE OF THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE CITY.
HOWEVER, IT DID PAINT A PICTURE THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS
READY TO LEARN MORE, AND WE WANT TO BE AN ACTIVE
PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION.
IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE CITY HAS DONE SOME OUTREACH AND
SURVEY ON THE TOPIC OF WATER SUPPLY AND QUALITY, AND THAT
INITIAL OUTREACH AND SURVEYING GENERATED A HEIGHTENED
AWARENESS AND INTEREST ON THIS TOPIC AND YOUR RESIDENTS
AND BUSINESSES WERE THANKFUL, AND THEY WANT TO BE PART OF
CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION.
ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON TAKING WHAT WE HAVE
LEARNED AND IMPLEMENTING A MORE INCLUSIVE EDUCATION AND
ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY AROUND WATER REUSE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE
TOPIC OF WATER REUSE IS COMPLEX, IT'S VERY PERSONAL, AND
IT RECOGNIZES THAT IT DESERVES DEDICATED TIME, ENERGY AND
RESOURCES.
FIRST, IT'S CRITICAL THAT ANY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION BE
IN TANDEM WITH THE PROJECT, A BASELINE UNDERSTANDING OF
THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS AND WORKING THROUGH THOSE
TOGETHER.
SECOND, BUILDING AN INCLUSIVE AND MEASURABLE EDUCATION
AND ENGAGEMENT CAMPAIGN.
I HEARD COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTION AT YOUR LAST WORKSHOP
THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
AND COUNCILMAN GUDES MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO REACH AS
MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
AND OUR THIRD RECOMMENDATION IS, ONCE YOU HAVE MADE THE
COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC EDUCATION AND
OUTREACH, YOU WILL NEED TO DEDICATE THE RESOURCES TO
IMPLEMENT THEM.
I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
OUR FINDINGS.
IT WAS SUCH AN HONOR TO WORK WITH THIS GREAT CITY TEAM,
AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO ALL OF YOUR
CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THESE IMPORTANT TOPIC OF WATER.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS TRULY A SPECIAL PLACE TO LIVE AND
WORK.
02:20:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
COULD YOU SPELL YOUR COMPLETE NAME?
THE CLERK WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD
PLEASE.
02:20:39 >> ABSOLUTELY.
MICHELE, M-I-C-H-E-L-E, LAST NAME BRENNAN, B-R-E-N-N-A-N.
02:20:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOUR TITLE AGAIN?
02:20:51 >> I AM PART OF HDR'S STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM.
02:20:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF HER RECOMMENDATION?
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. DINGFELDER.
02:21:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MS. BRENNAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION.
I HAD TO STEP OUT OF THE ROOM FOR A MINUTE SO YOU MIGHT
HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS, BUT IN ADDITION TO YOUR
SYNOPSIS AND COMPILATION OF THE INFORMATION AND DATA,
COULD YOU PROVIDE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH THE EXACT
QUESTIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE SURVEY?
YOU MIGHT HAVE SENT MY OFFICE A COPY OF THE SURVEY ASKING
US TO TAKE IT.
I DON'T REMEMBER.
BUT, ANYWAY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME I WOULD JUST LIKE TO
BE SEE HOW THE QUESTIONS WERE WORDED, AND SPECIFICALLY
WHAT THEY WERE.
02:21:47 >> YES, SIR, ABSOLUTELY.
STAFF WILL SEND THAT TO ALL OF YOUR OFFICES.
02:21:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
02:21:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.
02:21:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. BENNETT, THANK YOU FOR THIS
WONDERFUL REPORT.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS.
ONE THING I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR FROM A CONSTITUENT IS, A
FRIEND TOLD ME, OR, I SAW ON THE INTERNET.
I AGREE, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE OUTREACH.
THIS PLAN IS JUST LIKE TAKING WATER OUT OF MY TOILET AND
MAKING ME DRINK.
SO YES, YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT.
YOU SHOWED US A SLIDE THAT SAID 50 OR MORE PLACES THAT
REUSES WATER.
OF THOSE 50 PLACES, ARE THEY UNIQUE LIKE THE CITY OF
TAMPA WHERE WE HAVE A WONDERFUL SOURCE OF WATER LIKE THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, OR DO THOSE OTHER 50 PLACE VERSUS TO
BUY THEIR WATER OR PUMP IT OUT OF THE GROUND?
02:22:42 >> OUR FOCUS -- A GREAT QUESTION.
OUR FOCUS WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THE UTILITIES, WE REALLY
FOCUSED ON HOW THEY COMMUNICATE AND ENGAGE WITH THEIR
COMMUNITY AROUND THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE.
I HAD MENTIONED BRIEFLY AND I KNOW I DIDN'T DO IT
JUSTICE, THAT THIS PROGRAM VARIES TREMENDOUSLY AND THE
SIZE, SCALE AND PURPOSE.
SO ARE THEY IMPACT EXACTLY LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA?
IF CHUCK WANTS TO ANSWER THAT, OR IF WE CAN JUST SAY THAT
THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE REUSE PROGRAM AND WE WERE ASKING BEST
PRACTICES ASSOCIATED WITH ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS
SPECIFICALLY.
02:23:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. BRENNAN, I KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT
THEY WILL SAY, THAT AGAIN PEOPLE OF TAMPA DON'T REALIZE
JUST HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE THE WATER SOURCE THAT WE
HAVE, AND MANY AREAS AROUND THE STATE WITH WATER
EVERYWHERE BUT NOTHING TO DRINK, HAVE TO PURCHASE WATER,
HAVE TO BRING IT OUT OF THE GROUND.
TAMPA IS VERY, VERY LUCKY.
AND I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS OF TAMPA REALIZE JUST HOW
LUCKY WE ARE.
MS. BRENNAN, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
02:23:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
02:23:57 >>BILL CARLSON:
QUICKLY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR BRINGING THEM ONBOARD.
I KNOW HDR VERY WELL.
THEY ARE COMMUNICATION OUTREACH, PUBLIC OUTREACH DIVISION
IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY ASSOCIATION I AM GLAD
THAT YOU GOT A TEAM LIKE THIS ONBOARD TO DO THIS.
THE KEY THING IN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH IS TO MAKE SURE WE
GET ENOUGH IN THE BUDGET TO BE THOROUGH ABOUT THIS, TO
REALLY REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC, AND NUMBER TWO, THAT WE
GET THE MESSAGES RIGHT.
A MONTH OR SO AGO, THE WATER DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATION PUT
OUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT IT OUT,
BUT WHEN I TALKED TO MS. DUNCAN AND MR. WEBER, THEY WENT
BACK AND CORRECTED IT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT
LEADING IN THE CONVERSATION, AND SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT
HOW -- WE NEED A NEW SOURCE OF WATER, AND HOW WE HAVE THE
SORT OF PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT
THE MESSAGING THAT GOES IN.
SO I AM GLAD WE ARE DOING THIS AND I HOPE WE WILL DO A
VERY THOROUGH JOB AND PLEASE MAKE SURE WE HAVE NEUTRAL
MESSAGING SO WE GET IT ACCURATELY TO THE PUBLIC AND
EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE OPTIONS.
02:25:07 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.
WE TOOK YOUR ADVICE ABOUT SOLUTION NEUTRAL APPROACH VERY
SERIOUSLY.
WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HDR ABOUT KEEPING THAT IN THE
FOREFRONT, AND NOT GETTING TAKE TIED TO ONE PARTICULAR
APPROACH AHEAD OF TIME, BEFORE ITS TIME.
SO WE WILL BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT GOING FORWARD.
AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THIS AS
NEUTRALLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE CERTAIN FACTS THAT LEAD US A CERTAIN
WAY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.
I AM PROBABLY JUMPING AHEAD OF BRAD, BUT WE ARE GOING TO
MENTION THAT ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO
APPROVE THE FUNDING TO CONTINUE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WE ARE
GOING TO WORK TO INCLUDE AN EBO FORM AS WELL, TO HAVE THE
TIME TO MAKE THAT WORK THE THIRD TIME AROUND BUT WE KNEW
WE WOULD HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES GOING FORWARD.
SO THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE PART OF OUR APPROACH HERE ON
OUT, AND ADD THAT TEAM AS WELL TO OUR GROUP FOR PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT.
THANK YOU, BRAD.
02:26:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHENEVER YOU READING MY MIND, MS.
DUNCAN?
02:26:19 >> SHE JUST SAVED ME FROM MY PART ON THIS.
02:26:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ADOPT KNOW WHAT
THEY DON'T KNOW, AND IT HAS TO BE REAL SIMPLE AND
SIMPLIFIED TO UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE, OR AS MR. CITRO
SAID.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THE MESSAGING AND
MAKE SURE IN THOSE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE I
KNOW SURVEYS, A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T DO SURVEYS IN
THOSE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES SO THEY DON'T KNOW TO
KNOW.
SO IF YOU ARE GOING OUT THERE, SOME OF THAT PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S A GREAT IDEA YOU HAVE COME UP WITH
TO DO THAT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT WERE THE
NUMBERS OF YOUR SURVEY AS YOU LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT
DISTRICTS AND THOSE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, WHAT WERE
SOME OF THE NUMBERS.
I WON'T ASK TODAY BUT I AM SURE WHEN WE COME BACK YOU
SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING ONCE YOU GET ONBOARD.
ALL RIGHT?
THANK YOU.
02:27:15 >>BRAD BAIRD:
I WOULD ADD ONE LAST THING TO WHAT JEAN
SAID.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, WE WILL BE COMING
BACK TO CITY COUNCIL THIS SUMMER TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT.
AND AS A FUNDING REQUEST.
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NWRI INDEPENDENT
ADVISORY PANEL UPDATE FROM WHAT WE PROVIDED ON MAY
27th WORKSHOP.
WE HAVE HOPEFULLY, VIRTUALLY, WE HAVE KEVIN HARDY IS THE
SCOFFED OF NWRI, AND THEN WE HAVE DR. GLEN DAIGGER WITH
THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN WHO CHAIRED THE INDEPENDENT
EXPERT ADVISORY PANEL.
SO HOPEFULLY -- ARE THEY ON THE SCREEN?
THERE THEY ARE.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KEVIN.
02:28:14 >> THANK YOU, BRAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
ONCE AGAIN I AM KEVIN HARDY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
NATIONAL WATER RESEARCH INSTITUTE, AND EVERYBODY WILL
REFER TO US AS NBRI.
AS YOU KNOW WE WERE ENGAGED BY THE CITY TO FACILITATE AND
ADMINISTRATOR AN INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL COMPRISED OF
LEADING WALLET REUSE EXPERTS FROM AROUND THE UNITED
STATES TO REVIEW THE WORK, ANALYTICAL WORK COMPARED TO
DATE IN SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA PURE PROJECT.
I THINK AS I TOLD YOU LAST TIME WHEN WE SPOKE, IT EXISTS
TO CREATE NEW SOURCES OF HEALTHY WATER AND WE WORKED WITH
COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD FOR OVER THREE DECADES DOING
JUST THAT.
SO ON BEHALF OF CHAIRMAN DAIGGER, WHO YOU WILL HEAR FROM
IN A MOMENT, AND THE INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL,
INCLUDING MACK SIMCIK, MIKE WEHNER, JOAN ROSE, AND
FLORIDIANS WENDY GRAHAM AND SAM UPCHURCH, I WOULD LIKE TO
COMMEND MR. BAIRD, MS. MCLEAN, MR. WEBER AND MS. PARK,
AND THEIR RESPECTIVE TEAMS FOR MAKING THE COMMITMENT TO
SUBJECT A SLICE OF THEIR LIFE'S WORK TO REVIEW BY A GROUP
OF INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.
THIS COMMITMENT SPEAKS VALUES TO THEIR MOTIVATIONS AND
THEIR PERSONAL PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINE.
THE PANEL REVIEWED TREMENDOUS VALUE OF HIGHLY TECHNICAL
DATA PREPARED BY THE TAMPA TEAM, AND THE TAMPA TEAM HAS
WORKED INTENTIONALLY TO MAINTAIN A MENU OF ALTERNATIVE
WATER SUPPLY ASSESSMENT FOR THIS COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION
AT THIS CRITICAL REGIONAL PLANNING PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.
THAT REPORT WAS A PRODUCT OF A MEETING ON MAY 13th.
THE AGENDA FOR THAT MEETING, WE HEARD OVER 3 HOURS OF
PRESENTATIONS THAT DAY, AND WHEN THE PRESENTATIONS
CONCLUDED, WE WORKED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR IN A PRIVATE
WORKING SESSION THAT SAME DAY.
WE WORKED BY E-MAIL AND TRANSMITTED THE DRAFT REPORT ON
JUNE 15th.
I WANT TO LET STAKEHOLDERS AND STAFF AND COUNCIL KNOW
THAT IN ADDITION TO THE DRAFT REPORT THAT'S BEFORE YOU,
WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON A COMPLETE RESPONSE THE COMMITTEE
STAKEHOLDER QUESTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED AND THAT WILL
BE PART OF THE FINAL REPORT.
WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS WORK AND SUPPORTING
AN EVEN MORE SECURE WATER FUTURE TO THE TAMPA BAY REGION.
MOVE FORWARD.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE SIX CORE COMPONENTS IN FRONT OF YOU, ENHANCED
MONITORING FOR CONTAMINANT, THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT, 60
MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WITHDRAWING THAT PRODUCT WATER
FROM THE RECOVERY WELLS, AND MEETING THE MINIMUM FLOW
REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, CAN FORM
THE BASIS FOR AN OVERALL SYSTEM THAT MEETS THE OBJECTIVES
STATED BY THE CITY.
TAMPA'S ENGINEERED WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND NATURAL WATER
ENVIRONMENTS ARE INEXTRICABLY INTERTWINED.
THIS FACT CREATES A PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING DECISION AND
INVESTMENT MATRIX.
RECOGNIZING THIS, THE PANEL IDENTIFIED FOUR AREAS OF
DEVELOPMENT AND YOU SEE THOSE HERE BEFORE YOU.
WHAT THEY INDICATE IS THAT MODIFICATIONS TO INDIVIDUAL
CORE COMPONENTS ARE A NEEDED, AND THIS IS THE POSITION
THAT MOST OF OUR CLIENTS FIND THEMSELVES IN AT THIS LEVEL
OF DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR PROJECT.
SO NUMBER ONE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A VALID SCIENTIFIC
TECHNICAL POLICY APPROACH OF A PROJECT.
WE WILL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT BUT WHAT I WILL
TELL YOU IS THAT STARTS WITH A SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION OF
THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OUTREACH PROGRAM AS WAS
RECOMMENDED EARLIER.
THE PANEL ALSO RECOMMENDED ADDITIONAL CONCEPTUALIZATIONS,
PARAMETERIZATION, CALIBRATION OF THE GROUNDWATER MODEL,
ASSESSING THE PROJECT QUALITY AND QUALITY IMPACTS FOR THE
HYDROLOGIC SYSTEM FROM THE UPPER FLORIDAN AQUIFER THROUGH
THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
AND ADDITIONAL TREATMENT BARRIERS TO WATER REPROCESS AND
PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH.
WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO INTRODUCE
DR. GLEN DAIGGER, AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, HE
PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF TECHNOLOGY
OFFICER OF CH HILL.
HE'S CO-AUTHORED MORE THAN 125 PAPERS, HE'S THE CHAIR OF
THE TAMPA INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL.
GLEN, TAKE IT AWAY.
02:33:08 >> THANK YOU KEVIN.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU CAUGHT US IN THE MID OF OUR WORK, AND NOW AT THIS
MILESTONE IN TERMS OF OUR WORK, AND HAPPY TO SHARE WITH
YOU OUR OVERALL CONCLUSIONS HERE.
SO IF I CAN HAVE THE SLIDES UP.
I DON'T SEE THE SLIDES UP.
THAT WOULD HELP ME LEAD THROUGH WITH THIS.
WHILE THAT'S HAPPENING, WHILE THE SLIDES ARE COMING UP, I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE FOLLOWING ON
FROM THE EARLIER PRESENTATION, IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE,
THE BUDGET STRENGTHS, THESE ARE SIX CORE COMPONENTS OF
THE OVERALL PURE PROJECT.
SO WATER REUSE IS ONE OF THE INTENDED OUTCOMES.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WATER IS TO BE NOT
ONLY SUPPLEMENT THE WATER SUPPLY BUT ALSO YOU SEE THIS IN
THE LAST BULLET THERE, TO SUPPLEMENT THE HILLSBOROUGH
RIVER.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LOCATIONS THAT IMPACTED, CERTAINLY
THE WATER SUPPLY AND WATER REUSE IS A COMPONENT OF IT,
BUT THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS WATER IS GOING TO AFFECT A
NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTS INCLUDING THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
ITSELF, THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR, AND THE
SPRINGS, AND IN THAT AREA.
SO IN PARTICULAR, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE ARE VERY MUCH IN
SUPPORT OF THE OUTREACH WHICH IS GOING ON AND THE NEED
FOR THAT.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INHERENT IN WHAT WE ARE
SEEING THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN OUTREACH TO LOOK NOT
JUST AT THE REUSE PORTION OF THIS BUT LOOK AT THE WHOLE
PROJECT AS IT GOES FORWARD.
A NUMBER OF IMPACTS IN ADDITION TO REUSE.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, HERE WE GET INTO THE
FIRST COUPLE OF AREAS.
THE FIRST IS TO ESTABLISH A VALID SCIENTIFIC TECHNICAL
POLICY APPROACH FOR THE PROJECT.
AND YOU SEE OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION THERE, PROCEED
ASSERTIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAM BASED ON
WELL-ESTABLISHED BEST PRACTICE PRINCIPLES AND APPROACHES.
AND THE APPROACHES ARE WELL HONED IN TERMS OF HOW TO --
YOU ARE OFF TO A GOOD START, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
ARE REALLY ENVISIONING THIS AS A PUBLIC OUTREACH LOOKING
AT THE FULL PROJECT.
REUSE IS A COMPONENT OF THAT, BUT CERTAINLY THE PARTIES
HAVE INTEREST IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE SPRINGS,
WHAT THE EFFECT ON OUR TAMPA BAY IS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS
NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND VOICES THAT HAVE INTEREST IN
THAT.
SECOND SOME TO CLEAR DEFINE THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF
THE PURE PROJECT.
AND THERE WILL BE SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS LATER, BUT THE
SCIENTIFIC TECHNICAL POLICY BASED PERFORMANCE METRICS,
THAT WAS TO EACH ENVIRONMENT.
THIS AGAIN IS THE IMPACT ON WATER SUPPLY AND DRINKING
WATER, BUT ALSO ESTABLISHING CLEAR PERFORMANCE METRICS IN
TERMS OF THE IMPACT ON THESE OTHER ENVIRONMENTS, THE
RIVER AND SO FORTH.
EVALUATE THE POTABLE REUSE COMPONENT OF THE PURE PROGRAM
BASED ON THE ONGOING RESULTS OF THE OUTREACH PROGRAM AND
INCORPORATING BOTH CURRENT AND EVOLVING BEST PRACTICES
FOR POTABLE REUSE.
WE SAW FROM MICHELLE'S PRESENTATION THAT THERE ARE A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REUSE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PLACE
AND GO FORWARD AND SO FORTH, AND OVER THE LAST PROBABLY
THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN PARTICULAR, BEST PRACTICES REALLY
EVOLVE IN THE REUSE AREA, MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO EMBRACE ON THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S THE FIRST AREA.
THE SECOND THEN STARTS TO LOOK AT THE GROUNDWATER IMPACTS
FROM THE RECHARGE AND RECOVERY, AND IN PARTICULAR THE
SEAWAT MODEL WHICH IS USED TO ASSESS THE IMPACTS.
SO CONCEPTUALIZATION, CALIBRATION, VALIDATION, OF THE
MODEL, SPECIFIC COMMENTS.
SO MEETING A NUMBER OF TECHNICAL PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY
WATER QUALITY DATA, IN ADDITION TO THE TEAM HAS BEEN
MODELING SCENARIOS, AND THERE WILL BE OTHER AND LIKELY
SIGNIFICANT WATER QUALITY TRANSFORMATIONS THROUGH THE
AQUIFER THERE, AND TO FULLY CHARACTERIZE THAT, THAT CAN
BE USED THEN TO CALIBRATE THE MODEL FOR THE ANALYSIS THAT
YOU NEED TO DO.
MODEL SCENARIOS CAN INCLUDE WET YEARS, DROUGHT YEARS,
ALTERNATIVE PUMPING, RECOVERY RATES, ESTIMATION OF THE
RATES OF ACCUMULATION OF HIGHER WATER QUALITY IN THE
AQUIFER, AND POTENTIAL LOSS OF GROUNDWATER.
SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE PARTICULARLY ASKED TO
LOOK AT IS SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT
OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE SPRINGS AND SO
FORTH, BUT PUT THAT AS A COMPLETE SYSTEM THERE.
SO WHILE SITE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THE PURE
PROJECT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND SOME EXAMPLES ARE, ONE OF THE AREAS OF CAUTION, WHICH
THE CITY IS WELL AWARE OF, IS SEAWAT CANNOT DEAL WITH THE
KARST AND FRACTURE CONDUITS THAT ARE INHERENT IN THE
FLORIDAN AQUIFER, AND THAT'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS
TO BE ADDRESSED HERE, AND IN SOME RECENT CONVERSATIONS,
THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY ASKED THE PANEL FOR SOME FURTHER
ADVICE HERE WHICH WE WILL PROVIDE.
NEXT SLIDE.
THE THIRD AREA, PROTECT WATER QUALITY AND QUALITY AND
QUANTITY IMPACTS, THE ENTIRE ECHO LOGIC SYSTEM OF THE
UPPER FLORIDAN AQUIFER THROUGH THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH
RIVER.
THE LAST ONE, LAST ITEM LOOKED AT THE MODEL, WHICH HELPS
WITH HYDROLOGY, BUT THE NEED HERE THAT VERSUS EXPRESS
STEADY NEED TO NOT ONLY COLLECT MORE DATA FOR THIS LARGER
HYDROLOGIC SYSTEM, BUT THEN BASED ON THAT, THIS IS PART
OF THE SCIENTIFIC BASIS, TO ESTABLISH SPECIFIC QUALITY
OBJECTIVES FOR THESE ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE NOT ONLY MEET
REGULATIONS BUT RESPONSIVE TO THE DESIRES EXPRESSED AND
THE DECISIONS YOU WILL MAKE CERTAINLY AS BORNE BY THE
OUTREACH PROGRAM WHICH IS GOING FORWARD.
OUTREACH IS VERY IMPORTANT IN CONNECTION TO ESTABLISHING
THESE QUALITY OBJECTIVES.
THE INDUSTRY THAT WILL GIVE SPECIFIC WATER QUALITY
CHARACTERISTICS ENABLES ANALYSIS AND COMPARISON.
WE SEE A WHOLE LIST OF ACRONYMS AND SO FORTH.
HAPPY TO DISCUSS THESE IF YOU WOULD LIKE BUT IT'S REALLY
TO INDICATE THE RANGE OF RELEVANT CONSIDERATIONS HERE
NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND CONDUCT IN SITU NATURAL GRADIENT AND
INJECTION/EXTRACTION TRACER TESTS TO AMORTIZE A TRANSIENT
CONTAMINANT SPACE AND TRANSPORT COMPONENT TO ADD TO THE
SEAWAT MODEL, NOT ONLY WATER FLOW BUT THE QUALITY
TRANSFORMATIONS WHICH WILL OCCUR AS THE WATER IS
RECHARGED AND RECOVERED.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE AQUIFER, AND IT
CAN CONTRIBUTE IMPORTANTLY TO THE CONTROL OF
CONSTITUENTS, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE CHARACTERIZED AND CAN
BE THEN BUILT INTO THE MODEL AS A TOOL, BOTH FOR
CONTINUED DESIGN, BUT ALSO LONG-TERM OPERATION OF THE
SYSTEM.
QUANTIFIED THE EXPECTED FLEXES OF WATER NUTRIENTS,
PATHOGENS AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS.
SO SPECIFIC STEPS OF TAKING THAT INFORMATION INTO USABLE
FORM, AND DEVELOP AND IMPROVE CIRCULATION MODELS FOR THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR.
IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION, BEST TO TAKE THE RECOVERED WATER,
AND HOW TO INTRODUCE IT INTO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND
IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT TIMES WHEN IT'S INTRODUCED IN
DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND SO FORTH.
SO THE TOOL TO EVALUATE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED, AND
DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE PROACTIVE MONITORING SYSTEM, THE
INTEGRATED AQUIFER, SPRING, RIVER, RESERVOIR SYSTEM,
EVALUATE WHETHER THE PURE PROJECT IS OPERATING AS
EXPECTED, AND PROVIDE EARLY WARNING OF SYSTEM FAILURES
AND ALLOW FOR ACTIVE MANAGEMENT OF THE SYSTEM.
SO THE DATA COLLECTION ANALYSIS DOESN'T STOP WITH THIS
STAGE, IT DOESN'T STOP AT THE TIME IT BECOMES AN INTEGRAL
AND ONGOING ACTIVITY FOR THE CITY, BUT TO CONTINUE TO
MONITOR THE SYSTEM AND USE THAT TO FURTHER OPTIMIZE THE
SYSTEM, BOTH IT'S OPERATION, COST --
02:44:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
EXCUSE ME.
FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, HOW MUCH MORE ON YOUR PRESENTATION?
02:44:43 >> JUST ONE MORE SLIDE HERE.
02:44:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
02:44:46 >> THE LAST ONE DEALS WITH THE WATER REUSE ITSELF.
I CAN REALLY CONSOLIDATE THIS INTO SAYING CONTINUE, BUT
MAKE SURE TO INCORPORATE THE HE INVOLVED WATER REUSE BEST
PRACTICES IN TERMS OF DESIGNING AND IMPLEMENTING THE
WATER REUSE COMPONENT OF THIS OVERALL PROJECT.
AND WHAT'S LISTED HERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC ELEMENTS
THAT ADDRESS THAT.
I THINK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
THAT WATER REUSE PRACTICE IS NOW FEASIBLY WELL-DEVELOPED,
AS GOOD CONSENSUS IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICE.
THE CITY IS OFF TO A GOOD START.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THAT, GOING
FROM PUBLIC OUTREACH TO DESIGN TO IMPLEMENTATION, AND
THAT THE LONG-TERM OPERATION AND MANAGEMENT OF THE REUSE
SYSTEM, IN THIS OVERALL SYSTEM, AS YOU GO FORWARD.
AS A MATTER OF THE RIGHT THING AND ALSO RESOURCING THIS
PROPERLY FROM BEGINNING TO END.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY OUR REPORT.
02:46:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
GENTLEMEN, ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. DINGFELDER.
02:46:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, DOCTOR, FOR THAT
PRESENTATION, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THANKS TO YOU AND
YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE DETAILED ANALYSIS AND WORK THAT YOU
HAVE DONE ON THAT.
I LIKE THE TERM RECALCITRANT ORGANICS, ONE I HAVE NEVER
HEARD BEFORE.
BUT I ENJOY THAT TERM.
SO MY QUESTION, BRAD, TO YOU OR TEAM, CHECK, WHOEVER
WANTS TO ANSWER THIS, A LOT OF INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS
AND QUESTIONS THAT THE PANEL PUSHED FORWARD.
I'M SURE THERE ARE SOMEBODY THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY WERE
PLANNING ON.
I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
AND MAYBE THERE'S A FEW IN THERE THAT ARE NEW, AND THAT'S
GOOD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHY THE PROCESS IS GOOD.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DECISION, NOT
ONLY TO COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS INDEPENDENT
BODY OF EXPERTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY LOOKING AT IT
OBJECTIVELY.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT WE
JUST SAW.
SO MY QUESTION, BRAD, IS WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE IN
TERMS OF THE NWRI?
I'M SO IMPRESSED SO FAR WITH THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE
THAT I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US
CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THEM IN THIS SAME CAPACITY, BECAUSE
AT EVERY PHASE, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DECISIONS,
THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DATA, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE
ANALYSIS, AND I THINK CONTINUING THAT INDEPENDENT BODY
WORKED, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THERE IS COST INVOLVED,
BUT COMPARED TO THE TOTAL COST, I THINK IT'S LEGIBLE
COMPARED TO THE TOTAL PROJECT AND THE RISKS, I THINK IT'S
CRITICAL.
THERE YOU GO.
02:48:27 >>BRAD BAIRD:
COUNCILMAN, WE AGREE WITH THAT.
FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE BASTIONS OF LEARNING,
THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DID ANTICIPATE.
THERE WERE A FEW MAYBE WE HADN'T ANTICIPATED TO THE
EXTENT THE PANEL COVERED AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.
WE, STAFF, IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE DRAFT
REPORT.
WE WILL HAVE THOSE COMMENTS BACK TO NWRI NEXT WEEK.
WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE FINAL REPORT.
WE ARE SHOOTING FOR THE END OF JULY FROM NWRI AND THE
PANEL.
AND AS FAR AS USING THE NWRI INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL
IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO
THAT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE DECISIONS TO
MAKE WITH REGARD TO THE TREATMENT PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW,
30% DESIGNED, ON AND ON.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MILESTONES OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS
MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PLAN TO MAINTAIN ENGAGEMENT AND
CONTINUE MOVING IN THAT MANNER.
02:49:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IF THAT
REGARD IS THAT EVERY TIME THAT YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL
WITH A REQUEST, MONETARY, CONTRACTUAL OR OTHERWISE,
REMIND ME HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING NWRI, AND/OR
AN EQUIVALENT INDEPENDENT.
02:50:10 >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES, SIR.
02:50:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
02:50:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I UNDERSTAND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT
BEFORE, THEY WERE PRESENTED WITH A PROJECT, SOME OF THEM
DEALING WITH TAP DATA AND THEY EXPLAINED.
BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HELP US LOOK AT THE
ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS, WHICH SHOULD INCLUDE, ONE OF THE
OPTIONS IS IF WE CAN GET RID OF THIS STATE LEGISLATION,
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THIS,.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO DOUBLE OR WHATEVER THE RATE PAYERS'
COSTS.
I THINK AS MR. MIRANDA SAID EARLIER, CITIES ALL OVER THE
WORLD DRINK POTTY -- PURIFIED POTTY WATER.
NEW ORLEANS IS THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY GIVES AS AN EXAMPLE
BECAUSE THEY DRINK INDUSTRIAL WASTE AND HUMAN WASTE.
IT'S NOT THAT THE SCIENCE DOESN'T EXIST.
THE QUESTION IS THE TIMING OF WHEN SHOULD WE DO IT?
AT SOME POINT IN FOOT WE WILL DO IT BUT AS WE SHOWED A
COUPLE YEARS AGO WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS FOR AT LEAST
20 YEARS SO IF WE ARE DOING IT ONLY BECAUSE THE
LEGISLATURE MANDATES IT, THEN ONE OPTION SHOULD BE WHAT
IF THE LEGISLATION WENT AWAY, WAS MODIFIED, AS LEAST WE
COULD DELAY THE IMPACT ON RATE PAYERS, AND THEN THERE ARE
OTHER OPTIONS WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER IN TERMS OF THE
ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
02:51:35 >>BRAD BAIRD:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, FOR THAT.
EVEN IF THE LEGISLATION GOES AWAY, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE
ARE TRYING TO SOLVE, OF COURSE, IS A SUSTAINABLE
LONG-TERM SOURCE FOR MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE LOWER
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO
RESOLVE IN SHORT ORDER.
02:51:56 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND, BUT I
THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DESIGNING FOR IS THE
WORST DROUGHT FLOW SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST IN
THE LAST TEN YEARS, MAYBE THE LAST 100 YEARS.
WHAT IS IT, 40 NGB AND THEN TAMPA BAY -- SUPPLIED IT FOR
US SO THEY SHOW THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PROVIDE
THAT.
SO IF WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE
THIS INDEPENDENT GROUP SHOULD LOOK AT.
IS IT WORTH THE COST FOR ONCE A 100 YEAR EVENT FOR OUR
RATE PAYERS TO PAY 2 BILLION OR 6 BILLION DOLLARS,
WHATEVER IT IS, AND INCREASE THE RATES, PLUS DRINK POTTY
WATER WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO IN 20 YEARS, BUT WE SHOWED WE
NEED 7 NGB IN 20 YEARS, AND WE JUST PUSH CONSERVATION,
AND IF WE FIX THE PAPERS WHICH WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR,
WE CAN PROBABLY SAVE 10 NGB.
SO REALLY WHAT WE ARE SOLVING FOR IS ONCE A TEN YEAR,
ONCE A 100 YEAR EVENT, OR THE LEGISLATURE IS FORCING US
TO DO THIS AND EITHER ONE OF THEM CAN BE SUPPLIED BY THE
ALTERNATIVE SOURCE.
SO IF THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENT ISSUE, A HEALTH ISSUE, BUT
THERE'S ALSO THE RATE PAYER ISSUE, THE FISCAL ISSUE, IT
SEEMS FOOLISH TO PUSH US INTO SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY
ESPECIALLY SO WE CAN LOBBY AND GET THIS BILL UNDONE SO WE
DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
THANK YOU.
02:53:32 >>BRAD BAIRD:
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
DR. DAIGGER?
WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER.
AND IT IS ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
AND IT'S MARK HAMMOND WITH APPLIED SCIENCES.
AND WE ONLY HAVE, I THINK, TWO OR THREE SLIDES ASSOCIATED
WITH THAT.
SO WE ARE NEARING THE END.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MARK.
02:54:00 >> THANK YOU, BRAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS MARK HAMMOND, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, APPLIED
SCIENCES.
CAN YOU SEE THE SLIDES?
02:54:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
02:54:13 >> AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE JUST GOT TWO SLIDES TO SUMMARIZE THE PRESENTATION THAT
WE DID FOR YOU LAST MONTH.
IF YOU RECALL, IN OUR PRESENTATION LAST MONTH, WE LOOKED
AT OUR ANALYSIS, 11 PRIMARY ALTERNATIVES, AND FIVE OF
THOSE ALTERNATIVES HAD A SUBALTERNATIVE.
SO WE HAD A TOTAL OF 16 ALTERNATIVES THAT WE FIRST
EVALUATED.
THEN WE TOOK THOSE ALTERNATIVES AND WE COMBINED THEM INTO
FOUR COMBINATIONS THAT YOU SEE LISTED HERE.
THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET REDUCTION OF DISCHARGE, AND
ALSO DROUGHT MANAGEMENT OF THE RESERVOIR LEVELS.
THE FIRST COMBINATION, COMBINATION 1 INVOLVED EXPANDING
YOUR RECLAIMED WATER DISTRIBUTION TO RESIDENTIAL,
COMMERCIAL AND ALSO LARGE USERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND
ALSO INVOLVES THE DEEP WELL INJECTION OR ANY REMAINING
PART OF THE RECLAIM THAT'S NOT USED AND PURCHASING WATER
FROM TAMPA BAY WATER TO HELP MEET THE MFLs.
COMBINATION 2 INVOLVES TREATING THE WATER FROM HOWARD F.
CURREN TO REDUCE KNOT RENTS AND TO MEET THE STANDARD IN
THE RIVER, DISCHARGE THAT WATER TO THE BASE OF THE DAM TO
MEET THE MINIMUM FLOWS, SELLING A PORTION OF THE
RECLAIMED WATER TO ANOTHER ENTITY AND THEN IF YOU DID USE
MFLs OR WERE ABLE TO SELL THEN DEEP WELL INJECTION FOR
DISPOSAL OF THAT COMBINATION.
COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE AND RECOVERY INVOLVED
TREATING THE HOWARD F. CURREN TO TREAT PRIMARY DRINKING
WATER STANDARD, RECHARGE THE AQUIFER IN THE VICINITY OF
THE RESERVOIR, RECOVERING A PORTION OF THAT WATER, AND
PUTTING THAT INTO THE RESERVOIR WOULD DO TWO THINGS, ONE,
RELEASE TO MEET THE MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE LOWER
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER ARRIVE BUT FOR DROUGHT MANAGEMENT, TO
HELP IMPROVE THE WATER SUPPLY RELIABILITY FOR THE
RESERVOIR.
COMBINATION 4 WAS A DIRECT POTABLE REUSE OPTION.
THIS WOULD BE TO TREAT THE WATER FROM HOWARD F.CURREN TO
DRINKING WATER STANDARD AND PUT IT DIRECTLY INTO YOUR
DRINKING WATER PIPELINE, A SYSTEM OUT THERE FOR DRINKING
WATER PURPOSES.
WE EVALUATED THESE FOUR COMBINATIONS BASED ON COST.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IN THAT COLUMN.
AND THEN WE RANKED THEM.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT COMBINATION 2, THAT'S GOT A RANK OF 1.
COMBINATION 2 IS THE LOWEST COST OPTION OR THE LOWEST
COMBINATION OF THAT.
SO THAT WAS THE TOP RANKED IN TERMS OF COST.
COMBINATION -- IT WAS FOLLOWED CLOSELY, THE SECOND LOWEST
COST COMBINATION WAS COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE
AND DISCOVERY.
AND THEN COMBINATION 4 AND COMBINATION 17 WERE THE MORE
COSTLY OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS.
AGAIN, REDUCING THE DISCHARGE, MEETING MFL AND DROUGHT
MANAGEMENT AND THE OTHER BENEFITS.
IN ADDITION TO THE COSTS, WE LOOKED AT THAT ON A CAPITAL
COAST AND A 30-YEAR LIFE CYCLE COST WHICH INCLUDED
CAPITAL AND ALSO OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE EACH YEAR FOR
30 YEARS.
THE SECOND PART THAT WE RANKED IS ON THE BENEFITS.
THIS INCLUDED LOOKING AT THE REDUCTION IN THE DISCHARGE,
MEETING THE MFLs, AND ALSO THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT FOR
THE RESERVOIR.
FOR REDUCTION IN DISCHARGE AND ALSO FOR MINIMUM FLOW, ALL
FOUR OF THESE COMBINATIONS CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, SO YOU
CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT IN ANY ONE OF THE COMBINATIONS,
REDUCING THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT,
AND ALSO IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION FEASIBILITY FOR
IMPLEMENTING THE PROJECT.
WHEN WE EVALUATE THOSE AND SCORED THE PROJECTS OF THESE
COMBINATIONS, COMBINATION 3 HAS THE HIGHEST SCORE OR WAS
THE TOP RANKED, THE NUMBER 1 THERE.
THEN YOU GO FOLLOWED BY COMBINATION 4 WHICH IS THE SECOND
HIGHEST BENEFITS, AND THEN COMBINATION 1, AND THEN
COMBINATION 2 BASED ON THE BENEFIT.
WHEN YOU COMBINE THE COST AND THE BENEFIT RANKING FOR A
COMPLIANCE SCORE, COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE AND
RECOVERY TO THE RIVER HAD THE LOWEST SCORE OR THE TOP
RANKED OF THE FOUR COMBINATIONS FOLLOWED BY COMBINATION 2
AND COMBINATION 4 WERE TIED, AND THEN COMBINATION 1 WOULD
BE THE LOWEST RANKED.
ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THESE FOUR COMBINATIONS, THE WAY I
LOOK AT THEM, AGAIN, ALL FOUR COMBINATIONS WILL ADDRESS
REDUCTION DISCHARGE, AND ALSO MEET YOUR MFL.
COMBINATION 1 AND 4 ARE MORE EXPENSIVE AND THEY COST MORE
TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ALTERNATIVES.
IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE TWO LOWER COST OPTIONS,
COMBINATION 2 AND 3 REALLY THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE ON
THAT IS THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT.
COMBINATION 3, YOU ARE USING THE RECLAIMED WATER NOT JUST
FOR MFL BUT ALSO FOR DROUGHT MANAGEMENT FOR YOUR
RESERVOIR, WHEREAS COMBINATION 2 YOU WOULD BE DISCHARGING
FOR THE MFL, SELLING A PORTION OF THAT WATER, AND
DISPOSING PART OF THE WATER TO DEEP WELL INJECTION.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS IS THE TO
ALTERNATIVE COMBINATION BASED ON THE BENEFIT AND THE
OVERALL COMBINED RANKING IS COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER
RECHARGE AND RECOVERY.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THE
FEASIBILITY OF COMBINATION 2 AND COMBINATION 3.
THE REASON WE ARE RECOMMENDING COMBINATION 2 TO CONSIDER
THAT IS IT WAS THE LOWEST COST OPTION.
HOWEVER THAT INVOLVES SELLING THE RECLAIMED WATER TO
ANOTHER ENTITY.
AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU WOULD FIRST WANT TO
EXPLORE THE INTEREST TO SEE IF YOU COULD -- WOULD BE ABLE
TO SELL THE RECLAIMED WATER TO ANOTHER ENTITY WITHIN THE
TIME PERIOD THAT YOU MAY CHOOSE AND ASPECTS OF ANY
AGREEMENT LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF
THE CITY.
IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE THAT YOU FOUND DESIRABLE,
THEN WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND FURTHER EXPLORATION OF THE
DEEP WELL INJECTION FROM PERMITTABILITY AND FEASIBILITY
OF THE GEOTECHNICAL.
OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ALSO INCLUDE CONTINUATION OF YOUR
CONSERVATION AND YOUR PIPES PROGRAMS.
THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING CONSERVATION FOR DECADES SO YOU
HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A LEADER ON THAT.
AND THEN FINALLY IMPLEMENTATION OF THINGS LIKE AMI OR
ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE SEE THOSE, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHICH COMBINATION YOU
TAKE.
THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS ARE ALWAYS BENEFICIAL TO THE
CITY.
SO WITH THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:01:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.
03:01:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WISH SOMETHING EXPLAINED TO THE
PUBLIC, THERE'S SO MANY LETTERS AND NAMES AND HAVE
TROUBLE.
LIKE ASR, WE KNOW WHAT IT IS BUT THE PUBLIC MAY NOT.
YOU GO TO HRR.
THE PUBLIC MAY NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT IS.
AND YOU HAVE GOT TO EXPLAIN WHY THE COST, AND TWO ARE
TIED FOR SECOND, AND ONE IS ALMOST TWICE, A LITTLE OVER
TWICE THE AMOUNT OF 3.
HOWEVER, THE LESS EXPENSIVE OR THE LEAST EXPENSIVE IS THE
ONE THAT THE CITY HAS TO SELL RECLAIMED WATER.
BUT IT DOESN'T SAY HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SELL IT, HOW YOU
ARE GOING TO GET IT THERE.
THAT'S NUMBER 2.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER IDEA THAT'S NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP.
AND THE COST OF THE PIPE FROM.A TO.B MEANING FROM CURREN
TO TIPPIN IS THE SAME COST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER
FINISHED OR RECLAIMED WATER, PURIFICATION.
HOWEVER, BY OCTOBER 31st OF THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE THE
LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR,
WE MUST PRESENT A PLAN TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH
THE RECLAIMED WATER.
I'M SURE SOMEONE IS GOING TO ASK YOU, WHO ARE YOU GOING
TO SELL IT TO?
HOWEVER, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE LEGISLATURE -- I ALWAYS
THINK, WHAT IF?
AND THAT BOTHERS ME, THE WHAT IF?
WHAT IF NOTHING OF THIS HAPPENS.
THERE IS NO COST INVOLVED IN FINDING OUT WHAT THE IDEA OF
COST IS, TO CONVERT THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT INTO A
DRINKING WATER STANDARD.
AND FEED IT INTO THE BAY TO MAKE SURE THAT PLANNING POINT
NEVER HAPPENS IN THIS DAY AGAIN.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND YOU
REALLY WANT TO HELP EVERYTHING AROUND, IT WILL BE AT
LEAST ANOTHER PRESENTATION OF WHAT TO DO WITH THAT WATER.
RIGHT NOW, I CAN SAY THAT WHERE THAT RECLAIMED WATER IS
GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS, NOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I
DON'T KNOW, 30, 40, 50 YEARS MAYBE, BUT WE HAVE MADE, WE
THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE CITIZENS, HAVE CREATED A
RESTORATION OF THE SPECIES TO COME BACK EQUAL TO OR
GREATER THAN IT WAS IN THE 1950s; AM I CORRECT?
03:03:57 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
03:03:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF WE REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
ENVIRONMENT, WE CAN BE THE LEADER NOT ONLY HERE IN
FLORIDA BUT THE WHOLE UNITED STATES ON HOW TO DO THINGS
RIGHT.
AND ONE OF THE BUYERS MAY BE TAMPA BAY WATER.
HOW DOES IT GET THERE?
WHAT IS THE COST TO GET THERETO?
IS IT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE, THE COST?
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT GO THROUGH MY MIND RAPIDLY
SO I EVEN -- BEFORE I SPEAK.
BUT SOME WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER
ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE NOT -- ON THE CITY'S SIDE.
TO FIND OUT WHAT IT COSTS.
ALL THE OTHER COSTS, WE KNOW WHAT THE PIPES ARE GOING TO
COST.
WE KNOW WHAT THE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO COST.
WE KNOW THE DISTRIBUTION.
WE ALREADY HAVE A DISTRIBUTION TO SOME POINT.
AND CERTAINLY THE PIPES PROGRAM WAS MENTIONED BEFORE BY
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
THAT IS GOING SAVE A FEW MILLION GALLONS.
HOWEVER, I FIND IT ODD THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED 5-2
SOMETIME BACK NOT TO EXPAND THE WATER PLANT BUT THE PIPES
PROGRAM.
DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING NOT ONLY
FOR OURSELVES, THE SEVEN 6 US, BUT FOR THE HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA.
ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A -- WE GOT THAT 600,000, AM I CORRECT?
03:05:31 >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES.
ALMOST 700,000, YES.
03:05:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M OFF BY 100,000.
BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY, MR. BAIRD, IS THERE'S SO
MANY THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT IS INVIGORATING TO SEE THE TECHNOLOGY
THAT'S OUT THERE NOW THAN THE 20s AND 30s AND 40S.
WE USED TO GET WATER FROM ULELE SPRINGS I.I DON'T
REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS BACK EVEN BEFORE, I DON'T
KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THE 1900s, I THINK ABOUT 400,000 OR
4 MILLION GALLONS, ONE OF THE TWO.
AND THAT WAS THE ONE WE HAD.
WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED IN 1974, 20% OF THE
POPULATION -- AND I MAY BE -- THE NUMBERS MAY BE INVERTED
OATH EITHER DIDN'T HAVE WATER OR 20%, NOTHING BUT WELL
WATER.
OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE CONNECTION TO THE CITY'S LINES GOING
TO THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT.
THEY HAD SEPTIC TANKS.
AND SOMEWHERE IN THE 70s WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE THAT
YOU HAD TO SIGN IN FOR CITY WATER AND YOU HAD TO HOOK UP
TO THE LINE.
AND I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING OF $200, $250.
DON'T QUOTE ME TO THAT.
THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
BUT REMEMBER THAT?
YOU WERE THERE.
03:06:58 >> I WAS THERE, TOO.
03:07:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO I CAN THANK THAT COUNCIL FOR
MAKING THOSE STEPS BECAUSE IF THAT HADN'T HAPPENED, CAN
YOU IMAGINE WHERE WE WOULD BE TODAY?
AND WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX,
AND THINK OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THIS CITY, THIS COMMUNITY, ALL OF US, OUGHT TO BE
PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE.
BECAUSE -- ST. PETE DOESN'T HAVE THAT, DO THEY?
03:07:31 >> THEY DO NOT.
03:07:33 >> AND THEY USED TO CHASTISE TAMPA FOR PUTTING WATER
UNDER SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEY THEMSELVES ARE PUTTING
UNTREATED.
NOW, MILLIONS OF GALLONS A DAY.
SO I AM TIRED. I AM GOING TO TAKE MY GLOVES OFF BECAUSE
I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT NO MORE THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA
DOES THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER THING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TAMPA BAY WATER GOT INTO THE CHILDREN'S
MUSEUM, BUT I AM GOING TO FIND OUT.
AND I AM JUST EXHAUSTED OF THIS WATER ISSUE.
THERE IS NOWHERE -- IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO ATLANTA, LAKE
LANIER, IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO CALIFORNIA, IF YOU HAVE BEEN
TO CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, TO ISRAEL, AUSTRALIA, YOU CAN NAME
COUNTRY AFTER COUNTRY AFTER COUNTRY, AND ALL OF THEM
DRINKING THIS.
I AND I DON'T KNOW ONE PERSON WHO DIED.
AND I REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE BROUGHT IN FROM
CENTRAL MEXICO THAT THE WATER SUPPLY ABOUT 60, 70 MILLION
GALLONS, 12, 14 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A MEETING AT THE FEIGN
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, IT WAS ABOUT 200, 250 PEOPLE
THERE.
WE LEARNED A LOT.
THE PUBLIC WAS APPALLED AT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH WATER.
AND SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DO IT.
WHY CAN'T WE?
FURTHERMORE, THIS CITY IS ONE OF THE FASTEST CITIES
GROWING IN AMERICA.
AND IT AIN'T BECAUSE OF US.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER, BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF PEOPLE
UP NORTH, BECAUSE OF THE TAXES OF PEOPLE UP NORTH, WHERE
THEY ARE AT, WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE FOR HALF A MILLION,
IT'S CHUMP CHANGE.
YOU CAN'T BUY A HOUSE IN NEW YORK CITY.
YOU CAN'T BUY AN APARTMENT IN NEW YORK CITY.
AND IT'S HAPPENING HERE.
AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WATER COSTS.
I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYONE TO GIVE YOU BETTER WATER FOR THE
PRICE THAT WE ARE DELIVERING IT.
AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER?
20 YEARS AGO.
$2 A MONTH.
WE NEVER CHARGED FOR NO PIPES.
WE NEVER CHARGED FOR NO REPLACEMENT.
WE CHARGED FOR THE DRINKING WATER THAT WE PRODUCED, THE
DISTRIBUTION, AND THE METERING AND THE COST OF SENDING
THE BILLS OUT.
THERE WAS NEVER A COST THAT I KNOW OF TO REPLACE AND
REPAIR.
BUT WE WERE SPENDING, YOU KNOW WHAT?
20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS BETWEEN THE WATER AND THE TWO
TREATMENT LINES, CURREN AND WATER COMING FROM HOWARD -- I
MEAN DAVID TIPPIN.
SO 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 24.
YOU JUST MULTIPLY IT BY TEN YEARS.
WHAT WE ALSO DID, THE WATER COST IS THE SAME AS WHEN WE
LEFT MANY YEARS AGO.
HOWEVER, WE INCLUDE IT, BECAUSE MORE WATER, MORE REPLACE;
30 MILLION, 40 MILLION, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU
HAVE NOTHING BUT LEAKY PIPES.
SO WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THAT COUNCIL TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO
DO THAT, CHARGE $2, WENT UP TO $3.
WHY DID WE DO THAT?
LET ME SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THROW MONEY AWAY REPAIRING, NOT
REPLACING, RIGHT THERE, AND YOU ARE RUNNING AROUND
CHASING NOTHING, BUT YOU CAN'T FIX THEM ALL.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF HAVING, IF WE CAN DO ALL OF
THIS, ONE OF THE FINEST DISTRIBUTIONS IN WATER AND THE
COST.
SEE, THE COST OF WATER HAS TO GO UP.
$3.
WHY?
FOR THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WHEN YOU FINANCE SOMETHING, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS.
YOU ONLY GET HALF OF IT DONE BECAUSE THE OTHER HALF IS
INTEREST.
SO WE ARE SO STUPID IN AMERICA THAT WE FINANCE IT.
IT GETS DONE.
IT GETS DONE ALL RIGHT BUT SOMEBODY IS GETTING 4.5, 5%
INTEREST.
NOT IN THIS CITY.
WE DID THAT BECAUSE ABOUT 47% OF THE TOTAL COST OF THE
2.9 BILLION DOLLARS IS GOING TO BE 100% FINANCED BY US,
THE CITY.
THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS CITY, BECAUSE THEY WERE SMART
ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
THE OTHER 53% LATER IN LIFE POSSIBLY, IF WE DON'T FIND A
MIRACLE, IS GOING TO HAVE TO FINANCE IT.
BUT WE CAN START IT.
HOWEVER, FROM WHERE I COME FROM, YOU HAVE TO THINK A
LITTLE AHEAD.
IF YOU TURN THE CORNER IT'S GOING TO KNOCK THE HELL OUT
OF YOU.
WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THIS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THIS CITY HAS DONE AND COMPARE WITH
NO ONE.
WE ARE WAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
HOWEVER, WE MUST LOOK 20, 30, 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IN
1998, YOU WERE THERE, WE OFFERED WATER TO AN AGENCY.
IT TURNED US DOWN.
WE OFFERED DIFFERENT PHASES A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND THEY
TURNED US DOWN.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW MANY MILLIONS OF
GALLONS, 20, 25 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, TO MAKE THE
OPERATION WORK, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE DISTRIBUTION?
NO ONE EVER TOLD ME THAT.
NO ONE TOLD THE PUBLIC THAT.
I AM BRINGING IT UP.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT THERE AND WHO IS GOING TO BUY
IT?
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU GET THAT WATER, YOU COMPLY
WITH THE OCTOBER 31, 2021, DEADLINE, YOU COMPLY WITH
THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU GOT TO DO.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING DO WITH THE WATER?
THIS CITY WOULD BE PRISTINE AS FAR AS HELPING THE
ENVIRONMENT.
WE DON'T -- THOSE PEOPLE THAT GO TO CLEARWATER, ST. PETE,
MADEIRA BEACH, WHEREVER, PASS-A-GRILLE, THEY COME OVER
HERE.
THEY DON'T COME TO CITY COUNCIL BUT THEY WANT TO GO TO
THE LOWRY PARK ZOO, TO THE AQUARIUM, LIKE ALL KID, THEY
WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY GOT TO SEE.
SO WE WILL GET THE RESIDUAL VALUE FROM THAT ALONE.
CHAIRMAN, I APOLOGIZE BUT I WILL STOP RIGHT NOW.
I AM NOT GOING TO LET GO AT ALL.
AND I PROMISE YOU,.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:14:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AND QUICK
QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, AS I SAID BEFORE, ANOTHER TIME, THERE'S NO
QUESTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS ESTIMATE IN THE
FUTURE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TECHNOLOGY AROUND THE WORLD, THE CHOICE
OF TECHNOLOGY IN THIS CASE I THINK IS BEING QUESTIONED BY
A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTALISTS.
THEY DON'T TRUST IT.
BUT THE BIG ISSUE IS, WHEN DO WE DO IT AND HOW DO WE DO
IT?
AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN MULTIPLE WAYS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO
DO IT NOW OTHER THAN WE HAVE LEGISLATION THAT'S COMING
FORWARD, THAT'S COMING FORWARD, THAT'S REQUIRING US TO DO
IT.
OTHERWISE, WE WOULDN'T RUSH THIS.
I THINK IT'S RECKLESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE TO PUT THIS COST
ON OUR RATE PAYERS AT A TIME WHEN WE JUST DOUBLED THE
RATE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
YOU ALL KNOW, YOU HEARD FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
A LOT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO IT, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, A LOT
OF PEOPLE -- THAT THEIR RATES WERE GOING TO DOUBLE AND
THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD THAT EXTRA $40 OR
WHATEVER THEIR BILL IS PER MONTH.
I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THEM THAT WE DON'T RAISE
THE RATES UNTIL WE NEED TO.
THIS IS NOT LIKE REPLACING PIPES THAT ARE FALLING A PART.
THIS IS ABOUT SOLVE A PROBLEM 30 YEARS IN THE FUTURE OR
PROVIDING A SOLUTION FOR ONCE IN A LIFETIME DROUGHT OR
ONCE IN 20 YEARS DROUGHT EVENT WHICH STILL WOULD SOLVE
THROUGH OUR REGIONAL PLAN.
MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU IS, IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT,
ARE YOU ALL GOING TO SHOW ALL FOUR OPTIONS OR ARE YOU
ONLY GOING TO SHOW THE TOP 2 OR 3?
03:16:44 >>BRAD BAIRD:
OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, WE WILL BE
WORKING ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE SHOWN BY OUR
PUBLIC OUTREACH TEAM, AND WE WILL USE THAT INFORMATION TO
INCORPORATE IN THE COMBINATION WE END UP WITH, WHICH WILL
BE EITHER COMBINATION 2 OR COMBINATION 3.
03:17:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY WOULDN'T -- I WILL ASK THE QUESTION.
CAN YOU -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
I THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT THE
OPTIONS ARE.
ONE OF THEM IS WHAT I CALL THE PURPLE PIPES, AND I THINK
THEY HAVE NAMES, BY THE WAY, IN TALKING TO THE PUBLIC, OR
A, B, C AND D.
BUT THEY NEED TO BE EXPLAINED IN A SIMPLE WAY.
BUT IF THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO PUT
THIS WATER ON OUR YARDS INSTEAD OF PUTTING DRINKING WATER
ON N OUR YARDS AND THEN DRINK THE POTTY WATER.
SO IF WE GIVE THEM A CHOICE AND WE SAY YOUR RATE IS GOING
TO GO UP BY $40 A MONTH FINANCE WE DO ONE VERSION AND UP
BY $80 IF WE DO ANOTHER VERSION, THEN THEY HAVE A CHOICE,
THEY CAN GIVE US FEEDBACK.
BUT IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM A CHOICE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE
ARE JUST RAMMING ONE IDEA DOWN.
I THINK GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON WHICH
ONE THEY DON'T WANT.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS
ALWAYS NECESSARY TO GIVE THEM OPTIONS THEY CAN THROW A
WAIT A MINUTE OTHERWISE IT'S A YES-NO VOTE ON THE
RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE.
03:18:05 >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE WILL AS PART OF THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT
BE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION ON THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS
REPORT.
AND THAT REPORT WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLINE TO THE PUBLIC AS
WELL, AND ALL FOUR COMBINATIONS.
03:18:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE TO THE PUBLIC, YOU SAY, HERE ARE
THE REASONS, THE STATE LEGISLATION, AND SALTWATER
INTRUSION, THESE ARE THE THREE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO DO
THIS AND HERE ARE FOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT WE PROPOSE IN
THE STUDY AND HERE IS THE OUTCOME, GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK
ON THESE AS COMPARED.
03:18:42 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I JUST WANT TO ADD WHILE BRAD IS SHARING,
PART OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING IN OUR PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT IS WORKING WITH OUR TEAM, AGAIN, OF COURSE WE
WILL HAVE A MULTI-FACETED TEAM, AND FINDING BETTER WAYS
TO COMMUNICATE THE ALTERNATIVES IN LANGUAGE THAT IS
LAYMEN'S TERMS UNDERSTANDABLE.
03:19:06 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MAIN QUESTION, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT
ALL FOUR OR JUST THE SHORT LIST?
03:19:11 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE COMMITTED TO NEUTRAL SOLUTION
APPROACH.
SO WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE
AVAILABLE, EVEN IF THEY ARE -- THEY ARE NOT REALLY
SOLVING THE PROBLEM WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE.
SO WE HAVEN'T LAID THE DETAILS OUT YET.
BUT USING TERMS AND QUESTIONS, INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE
CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
WE HAVE TOO MANY ACRONYMS.
03:19:37 >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE IF WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE
PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC AND WE PRESENT ALL THE
ALTERNATIVES AND THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH AND THE PUBLIC
COMES BACK AND SAYS, YEAH, WE REALLY LIKE A CERTAIN
OPTION, THIS OPTION THAT YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING, I THINK
WE WOULD GO ALONG WITH IT, IF IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS
EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
03:19:57 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I WAS GOING TO LIKE THE FACTS, MOST
LIKELY MAJORITY CONCLUSION WE WILL HAVE OF WHAT IS THE
BEST ALTERNATIVE.
THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET THAT CONSENSUS IS WHAT THE
FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
SO WE WILL BE DOING THAT --
03:20:14 >>BILL CARLSON:
AS WE SAID BEFORE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE FACTS ARE PRESENTED IN AN ACCURATE WAY, LIKE WE
TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE MESSAGE, WE NEED THIS FOR
SUPPLY, I'M SURE YOU CAN SHOW NUMBERS THAT SAY THAT'S
TRUE, I'M SURE YOU CAN SHOW NUMBERS THAT SAY THAT ISN'T
TRUE.
THE SECOND QUESTION, MR. MIRANDA MADE A MOTION A FEW
WEEKS AGO TO HAVE STAFF OF TAMPA BAY WATER TO MEET TO
TALK ABOUT POSSIBILITIES.
DID THAT MEETING HAPPEN AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF IT?
03:20:48 >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT WAS THE NEXT THING I WAS GOING TO
TALK ABOUT.
03:20:52 >>BILL CARLSON:
LET ME GO TOTAL NEXT THING IF YOU ARE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN COME BACK TO IT.
'N IN MY CONVERSATION WITH JEAN AND CHUCK THE OTHER DAY,
I FOLLOWED UP WITH TAMPA BAY WATER.
TAMPA IS NOT AN OFFICIAL MESSAGE TO ME OR ANYTHING, BUT I
THINK -- AND MR. MIRANDA SITS ON THE BOARD -- BUT THE
CITY NOTIFIED TAMPA BAY WATER I THINK A DAY OR TWO BEFORE
THE LAST BOARD MEETING THAT THE CITY NEEDS A DECISION BY
OCTOBER AS TO WHETHER TAMPA BAY WATER CAN BUY 20 MILLION
GALLONS A DAY, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST REALLY THAT TAMPA
BAY WATER HAD BEEN ASKED THAT, AND IT WAS AT A BOARD
MEETING AND THEY HAVE A COUPLE MORE BOARD MEETINGS BEFORE
OCTOBER WHICH IS NOT SUFFICIENT TIME.
SO HOW DO -- IF OUR PURPOSE IS TO HAVE AN HONEST DIALOGUE
AND LOOK FOR HONEST OPTIONS, HOW DO WE DO THAT AND THEN
CONNECT TO THAT AS A POSSIBLE UNDER THE LEGISLATION, TO
GO BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY WE ARE IN EARNEST
TRYING TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVES BUT WE NEED A LITTLE
BIT MORE TIME TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, OR
GIVE ATTENTIVE ANSWER, AND THEN COME BACK WITH A FINAL
ANSWER.
03:22:01 >>BRAD BAIRD:
OKAY.
SO, YEAH, MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS
WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, THEIR INTERIM GENERAL MANAGER CHUCK
HARDON GAVE A PRESENTATION, OR SMALL PRESENTATION TO THE
BOARD, AND I WAS NOT THERE.
I WAS ON VACATION.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE GOT THE APPROVAL TO PROCEED TO
HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
AND THE DISCUSSIONS NEED TO INCLUDE TWO PRIMARY THINGS.
ONE, THE PURCHASE OF 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AS YOU
JUST MENTIONED.
ASSOCIATED WITH COMBINATION TWO.
COMBINATION TWO TO HELP SOLVE OUR THREE PROBLEMS, WE
WOULD NEED TO SELL 20 MGD TO SOMEBODY, WHETHER THAT'S
TAMPA BAY WATER, POLK COUNTY, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
AND WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT IF WE ARE SUBMITTING THE
PLANS BY NOVEMBER 1st AS REQUIRED BY THE LEGISLATIVE
LEGISLATION.
03:23:04 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND START REQUESTING A
DELAY?
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THIS.
AND THEN SIMULTANEOUSLY COULDN'T WE GET OUR LOBBYIST FOR
THE CITY TO START ASKING FOR APPEAL SINCE THE LEGISLATION
IS CHANGING, IT'S A HUGE UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT IS GOING
TO PUT A BURDEN ON OUR RATE PAYERS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO
ARE WORKING WEEK TO WEEK, IT'S GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE
INCREASE FOR THEM.
03:23:31 >>BRAD BAIRD:
UNDERSTOOD.
THAT'S NOT THE POSITION OF CITY ADMINISTRATION TO THIS
POINT.
AND WE ARE WORKING WITH A GROUP OF UTILITIES ACROSS
FLORIDA ON SUBMITTING THE PLAN.
SO THAT ALL UTILITIES ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO THE INTENT NOW IS TO COMPLY WITH THE LEGISLATION AND
SUBMIT THAT PLAN BY NOVEMBER 1st.
WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WITH ALL THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE
OVER THE YEARS, AND EVERY FIVE YEARS FOR THE MASTER WATER
SUPPLY PLAN, THAT THEY WILL KNOW, THEY KNOW NOW WHETHER
OR NOT THEY NEED TO BUY OR NEED $20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY
TO MEET THE FUTURE GROWTH DEMANDS.
03:24:19 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OF THE OPTION THAT'S NOT IN THERE IF
I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WE DRAW SOMETHING LIKE 11 MGD FROM
SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THE RESULT IS SALTWATER INTRUSION.
WHAT IF WE JUST STOP PUMPING 11 MR. GD?
WOULD IT NOT STOP OUR MINIMUM FLOWS BY MGD AND JUST BUY
THAT FROM TAMPA BAY WATER INSTEAD?
03:24:43 >> THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE, YES.
03:24:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
IS IT SAFE?
LIKE I SAID ON THE DESCRIPTIONS IT'S NOT CLEAR WHICH
ALTERNATIVE IS THAT UNDER?
STOP PUMPING?
03:24:54 >>BRAD BAIRD:
LET ME COVER THE SECOND ITEM AND I WILL
ASK MARK IF HE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
03:24:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL JUST SAY THIS AND THEN I WILL BE
QUIET FOR NOW BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THE BIGGEST OPTION
THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE IS THAT WE WOULD GO TO SOMEBODY
LIKE TAMPA BAY WATER IDEALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE
REGIONAL WHOLESALER SUPPLY AND WE WOULD OFFER TO SELL
THEM THAT 50 GMD.
WE DON'T KNOW IF EXACT RATE BECAUSE THOSE RATES ARE BEING
DISCUSSED BUT LET'S SAY YOU GET $1.25 PER THOUSAND
GALLONS AND I THINK THE WHOLESALE RATE IS 250.
SO WHAT IF WE SOLD ALL OF OUR WATER AT THAT 125 AND THEN
WE ONLY BUY BACK WHAT WE NEED, AND IF WE NEED 11 MGD TO
REPLACE SULPHUR SPRINGS WE COULD BUY THAT BUT WE COULD
INCLUDE THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL OR GUARANTEE BUY BACK
SO WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO 50 GD WHICH WOULD TAKE US
PROBABLY TO THE NEXT 100 YEARS, AND OUR RATE PAYERS
WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE OF $6 BILLION OR $2 BILLION,
WE WOULD JUST BUY THE WATER WE NEED, AND SINCE WE DON'T
NEED EXCESS SUPPLY FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS, THEN ALL WE ARE
TRYING TO DO IS SOLVE THE SALTWATER INTRUSION ISSUE,
RIGHT?
03:26:07 >>BRAD BAIRD:
AND MINIMUM FLOWS, YES.
THE --
03:26:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. BAIRD.
I AM GOING TO LET YOU MAKE THAT POINT ON THAT BUT THEN I
WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE I WANT TO END THIS
MEETING.
AND THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE A WATER ISSUE ABOUT PURE, SO
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ME, ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE THIS IS A
HOT TOPIC, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING.
I AM NOT GOING TO FILL THE AGENDA UP ON THAT DAY IF WE
HAVE TO GO BACK WITH ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT PURE.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND MR. SHELBY AND THE CLERK'S
OFFICE F.PURE COMES BACK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
ITEMS ARE CUT DOWN SO THAT WE CAN GET UP THERE WHATEVER,
BECAUSE THESE ARE A LOT OF TOPICS COMING UP, OTHER
QUESTIONS BEING ASKED, AND I WANT TO GIVE THOSE PEOPLE
THE TIME THAT TOOK OFF WORK TO GET TO THEM, AND MAKE SURE
THAT COUNCILMEN HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ASKED AND THE
ADMINISTRATION UNDERSTANDS.
03:27:03 >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES, IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO
ANSWER THE ISSUES THAT MR. CARLSON BROUGHT UP.
BUT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SECOND DISCUSSIONS THAT
WE WANT TO HAVE WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, AND THAT IS
PARTNERING OPPORTUNITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMBINATION
3, BECAUSE COMBINATION 3 WOULD INCLUDE FREEING UP THE
WELL WATER IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WATERSHED FOR THE
REGION.
WHICH WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER FOR THE TAMPA BAY WATER,
AND FOR THE REGION.
SO WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS WELL.
AND FINALLY, DISCUSSIONS WITH FDEP REGARDING THE
PERMEABILITY OF DEEP WELL INJECTION.
BECAUSE COMBINATION 2 NOT ONLY REQUIRES SELLING 20
MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO ANOTHER ENTITY, IT ALSO REQUIRES
TO PUT DOWN AT LEAST THE OTHER 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY
BUT IN SOME PARTS OF THE YEAR 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY,
THOUSANDS OF FEET INTO THE DEEP WELL INJECTION.
AND THAT MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE STATE TO BE A
BENEFICIAL REUSE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
AND I WILL HOLD OFF ON ANSWERING ALL THE OTHER, IF THAT'S
YOUR WISH.
03:28:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME DO THIS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION HERE.
I WILL LET YOU JUMP IN, BUT THEN I WANT TO GET TO THOSE
FOLKS THAT ARE WAITING.
WE ARE GOING TO CUT IT OFF, AND SET ANOTHER DATE TO BRING
IT ALL IMPACT, AND THEN WE HAVE A LONGER DAY BECAUSE THIS
TAKES A WHILE.
03:28:34 >>JAN MCLEAN:
OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY.
I WANT TO ADDRESS ONE FOCUS ITEM THAT MR. CARLSON HAS
RAISED AND OTHERS RAISED AS WELL.
AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE LEGISLATION THAT WE
SUBMIT A PLAN TO THE DEP BY NOVEMBER 1st OF THIS
YEAR.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EXTENDED, AND I WAS IN A
CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH DOZENS OF UTILITIES ON THE
TELECONFERENCE AND WE WERE ALL DISCUSSING HOW WE WERE
GOING TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
IT'S A DATE CERTAIN THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT A PLAN, AND
IF YOU DON'T SUBMIT A PLAN OR IF YOUR PLAN IS REJECT THEN
YOU ARE SUBJECT TO ENFORCEMENT BY THE STATE, THREE
DIFFERENT KIND OF ENFORCEMENT, AND THAT BY 2028, YOU MAY
NOT BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE WHAT YOU ARE DISCHARGING AS OF
THIS TIME.
AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT THOSE ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES
FOR THE STATE INCLUDE MONETARY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF.
SO THIS IS VERY CRITICAL THAT WE MEET THAT NOVEMBER
1st DATE.
IT DOES ALLOW FOR CONCEPTUAL.
IT DOES ALLOW FOR MODIFICATION.
IT DOES NOT EXTEND THE TIME PERIODS.
THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY, SIR.
03:29:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO WE HAVE ANY FOLKS ON THE SECOND
FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO THIS ITEM?
DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF DOWN THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
ALL RIGHT.
GOING ONCE.
GOING TWICE.
ALL RIGHT, MR. BAIRD.
ARE YOU ITEM NUMBER 9?
03:30:44 >> YES.
HI.
HOW ARE YOU?
MY NAME IS ANGELA MOORE.
I'M A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST FOR THE INNER CITY COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
I BASICALLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY COMMUNITY
AND THE INNER CITY COMMUNITY OF ROBLES PARK, WEST TAMPA,
COLLEGE HILL, PONCE DeLEON, CENTRAL PARK, RUBY TERRACE,
ET CETERA, CLAIR MEL.
WE ARE SAYING NO TO THE RECLAIMED WATER.
FORTUNATELY, I AM A WOMAN FROM THE URBAN COMMUNITY, AND
SINGLE MOTHER OF SIX.
I'M RAISING MY CHILDREN.
I PUT THREE THROUGH COLLEGE AND I DID THE BEST I COULD
WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE HOUSING, OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, AND IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE
ABLE TO LEAD YOUR LEAVE YOUR INNER CITY AND VISIT OTHER
CITIES.
I VISIT NEW ORLEANS.
THEY ARE DIRTY.
I VISIT NEW YORK.
THEY ARE DIRTY.
AND TAMPA, WE HAVE A QUALITY ABOUT US WHERE WE ARE CLEAN.
WE MANICURE OUR LANDSCAPING.
WE CLEAN OUR GARBAGE CANS AROUND SO WE DON'T HOST
RACCOONS.
WE ENJOY BEACHES, AND AS A CHILD, IF YOU SEE PAPER,
LITTER ON THE FLOOR, TO PICK IT UP.
IF YOU GO INTO A RESTAURANT AND THEY GIVE YOU A DIRTY
GLASS, IT'S NATURAL COMMON SENSE TO SEND THE GLASS BACK
BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DRINK OUT OF A DIRTY GLASS, NO
LESS DIRTY WATER.
I COME FROM A LONG LINE OF WOMEN WITH OCD.
WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT FROM CHILDREN TO CLEAN UP, CLEAN OUR
HOMES, AND WE TAKE PRIDE WITH BARE HANDS.
WITH THAT OCD IS PASSED DOWN TO OUR CHILDREN.
MY DAUGHTER WAS THE AGE OF NINE AND SHE WAS DIAGNOSED
WITH CHIGELLA, THINGS THAT WERE AIRBORNE, I HAD TO SIGN A
PAPER STATING THAT I WOULDN'T SUE THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE
THIS MEDICINE WAS BEING TRIED AT THE UNIVERSITY.
I WAS THE FIRST TO USE IT.
AND MY DAUGHTER IS A YOUNG LADY THAT HAD TRIPLETS ON
CHRISTMAS.
WE MADE IT AND WE CONTINUE TO MAKE IT DOING SIMPLE THINGS
OF COMMON SENSE, OF KEEPING OURSELVES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IF WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THESE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER
PROPERTIES WERE GIVING US RECLAIMED WATER, WE WOULD DENY
IT.
YOU HAVE GIVEN US THINGS WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE AND WE
DON'T KNOW.
MY UNCLE JUST TOLD ME WE ATE A RACCOON BEFORE.
UNCLE, IF YOU HAD TOLD ME I WAS EATING RACCOON I WOULDN'T
HAVE ATE IT IF I HAD THE CHOICE.
SO GIVE US THE CHOICE.
NONE OF THESE PEOPLE SPEAKING TO THE COMMUNITY, SIR, I AM
THE COMMUNITY.
I NEVER SAW THEM THERE.
03:33:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.
03:33:56 >> AND I WILL BE BACK TO CONTINUE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE I LEAVE, BECAUSE I HAVE
BEEN WAITING SINCE THIS MORNING, I DID WANT TO GET CAUGHT
UP IN THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE, JOHN DINGFELDER, MY DAUGHTER
IS THE AFRICAN LADY THAT WAS THERE IN 2019, AND YOU
PROMISED ME AND MY CHILD THAT YOU WOULD GIVE OUR
COMMUNITY BACK.
I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FROM WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ON THE
MEDIA AND SOCIAL MEDIA, FAQ, WITH THE COMMUNITY KILLING
OURSELVES.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THESE YOUNG MEN AND TAKE THEM TO THE
WAR.
THEY WON'T LET THEM SERVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE RECORDS.
WHY NOT LET THESE YOUNG MEN PROTECT US LIKE THEY ARE
PROTECTING THEIR FAMILY?
LIKE I SAID BEFORE I AM REPRESENTING ROBLES PARK, COLLEGE
HILL, WE ARE NOT -- THESE ARE MY FRIEND CHILDREN, THESE
ARE MY CHILDREN, THESE ARE MY SISTERS CHILDREN.
03:34:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
WE ALLOWED YOU THREE MINUTES.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
03:35:03 >> AND JOHN I AM CALLING YOU OUT
03:35:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM
NUMBER 9?
DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
03:35:33 >> HELLO.
03:35:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:35:41 >> MY NAME IS LOX DEVOID.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES IN THE CITY LIMITS OF TAMPA
SO I AM WELL FAMILIAR WITH BE THE WATER RATES.
I ACTUALLY LIVE IN VALRICO.
LUCKY ENOUGH TO LIVE ON THE ALAFIA RIVER.
A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
RECENTLY ON MY PROPERTY, I'M ACROSS THE STREET FROM A
WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER, OR RECLAIMED WATER FACILITY
ON LITHIA PINECREST ROAD.
THEY RECENTLY HAD A PIPE BURST AND IT FLOWED ONTO MY
PROPERTY, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT WATER SMELLED VERY
MUCH OF FECAL MATERIAL.
WHEN IT STAT AND WHEREVER IT STAT ON THE GROUND IT
CREATED A BROWN, ORANGE BACTERIAL SCUM, LARGE BLOOM OF
BACTERIA, AND ALSO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF SOAP FOAM ON
THAT WATER WHEN IT FLOWED ANYWHERE.
WHEN THE COUNTY ENGINEER CAME OUT, AND THEY REPAIRED THE
LINE, I THOUGHT FOR SURE IT WAS SEWAGE.
AND I ASKED HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND HE ACTUALLY SHOWED ME
THE LINE THAT HE REPAIRED.
ITSELF WAS THE BLUE LINE, THE RECLAIMED WATER LINE.
IT WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
SO I KNOW WE HAVE ALL BEEN BY THE GOLF COURSES AND
SMELLED THE SMELLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CLEARLY, WHEN THIS PLAN CAME OUT, IT WAS A HUGE CONCERN
FOR ME FOR PERSONAL REASONS, BUB I ALSO HAVE TO SAY I AM
NOT AN ENGINEER BUT I DO HAVE -- I WAS A PRINCIPAL IN A
COMPANY THAT WORKED TO CLEAN UP 17 BIOLOGICALLY DEAD
BODIES OF WATER IN EASTERN EUROPE, LEFT OVER FROM THE
RUSSIAN MILITARY.
I ALSO WORKED FOR MANY YEARS FOR FORTUNE 100 COMPANY AS A
SENIOR ANALYST AND MANAGER OF ANALYTICS.
I HAVE WRITTEN MANY, MANY REPORTS, MANY, MANY COST
BENEFIT ANALYSES, AND I CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE REPORT
WHEN THE FIX IS IN.
IF I LEARNED ANYTHING IN ALL THAT TIME, I LEARNED TO
RECOGNIZE WHEN ONE SOLUTION HAD BEEN PRIORITIZED, NOT
NECESSARILY FOR REASONS OF DATA ABOVE OTHER POTENTIAL
SOLUTIONS, AND THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE IN THIS.
I AM VERY CONCERNED.
I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROCESSING THE WATER FURTHER.
IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING ISSUES LIKE LIFE ESTATES
AND PHARMACEUTICALS THAT ARE IN THE WATER, THAT ARE OFTEN
NOT TESTED FOR NOW, BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED WHEN I LOOK
AT THE REPORT ITSELF, THE THING I AM MOST CONCERNED WITH,
BECAUSE IN ALL OF THOSE YEARS THAT I SPENT AS A SENIOR
ANALYST, WHEN WE DID COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, THE OTHER
PART OF THAT ANALYSIS IS CALLED AN OPPORTUNITY AND RISK
ANALYSIS, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN WITH THESE CONSULTANTS, I
HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING LIKE A RISK ANALYSIS.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE RISK OR THINK ABOUT THE RISK OF
SPRAYING THIS WATER ONTO GOLF COURSES, THAT'S A VERY,
VERY LOW RISK.
[BELL SOUNDS]
03:38:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:38:49 >> BUT THERE IS EXTREME RISK TO PUTTING THE WATER INTO
THE AQUIFER.
03:38:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
03:38:54 >> THANK YOU.
03:38:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
03:39:05 >> HELLO?
HI.
MY NAME IS REBECCA.
I AM A ENTREPRENEUR.
FURTHERMORE, I HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN SUSTAINABILITY BUILT
CHIEF ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT IN ARIZONA WHOSE LIFE'S
WORK IS BUILDING ECOVILLAGES, SPECIALTY IS BUILDING
NATURAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES, UTILIZING A
SERIES OF POOLS OF ALGAE AND BACTERIA, PLANTS, DOING IT
THE WAY NATURE HAS DONE IT FOR MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS
OF YEAR.
THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER IS A NATURAL TREASURE ON PAR TO THE
GRAND CANYON, THOUGH MORE HUMBLY, SHE CAN ONLY BE SEEN BY
MOST WHERE SHE BURST FORTH FROM THE GROUND IN OUR NATURAL
SPRINGS SUCH AS WEEKI WACHEE, RAINBOW RIVER, LITHIA
SPRINGS, OR OUR OWN LOCAL SPRINGS.
THESE ARE PLACES WHERE PURE, CLEAN, DRINKABLE WATER HE
MERGES FROM THE GROUND.
CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMETHING SO GLORIOUS?
IT FEELS AS IF IT'S MAGIC BUT IT'S ACTUALLY AN ANCIENT
NATURAL PROCESS DESIGNED BY NATURE IN WHICH PLANTS,
BACTERIA, SAND, SOIL AND LIMESTONE ACT AS FILTERS TO
PURIFY THE WATER MAKING IT DRINKABLE AND POTABLE TO ALL,
HUMANS, PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
BEFORE YOU PROPOSE TO ADULTERATE THIS NATIONAL TREASURER
OF OURS, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, WOULD YOU FEED THIS
WATER TO A NEWBORN BABY?
WOULD YOU FEED THIS WATER TO YOUR CHILD?
WOULD YOU FEED THIS WATER TO YOUR DOG?
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU PROPOSING
THIS TO DRINK A FULL ON-CAMERA FULL PINT GLASS OF THIS
WATER BEFORE YOU PROPOSE TO PUMP IT INTO OUR NATURAL
TREASURE, THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER.
BY THE WAY, NEW ORLEANS, WHICH IS REFERENCED EARLIER AS
DRINKING POTTY WATER, HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF
COLON CANCER IN THE WORLD.
CAN YOU STAND HERE AND TELL ME THAT BEARS NO RELATION SH?
THANK YOU.
THAT'S ALL FOR TODAY BUT WE WILL BE BACK.
03:41:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE?
03:41:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:41:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU CAN RECOGNIZED.
03:41:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE LADY CALLED ME OUT.
I NOTICE WHENEVER I GET CALLED OUT, THAT'S WHY MY WIFE
DID THAT COMMERCIAL.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?
IT'S LIKE, "IT'S DINGFELDER."
03:41:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REMEMBER MY FATHER STILL CALLS YOU
DANGERFIELD.
03:41:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT?
IF ANY ONE OF MY AIDES CAN RUN DOWN AND MAKE SURE THERE'S
NOBODY ELSE DOWN THERE SO WE CAN BRING THIS IN FOR A
LANDING.
03:42:09 >> THERE'S NOBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:42:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING.
IT'S LATE.
AND WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE ITEMS BEFORE 4:00.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO PRESENT FOR THE PURE PROJECT TO
MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THE QUESTIONS.
03:42:42 >>BRAD BAIRD:
I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR ALL THE TIME
THAT YOU SPENT.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
03:42:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER 7.
MR. MORRISON.
03:43:12 >>BRIAN MORRISON:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
I AM HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 7, WHICH IS TO DEFINE OUR
WORKFORCE WORKERS, ESSENTIAL WORKERS, AND AFFORDABLE --
AS RELATES TO THE LAW AND TO THE CITY OF TAMPA HOUSING
PROGRAMS.
I WOULD LIKE TO RUN THROUGH THE CRITERIA THAT THE CITY
AND STATE GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USE FOR
ELIGIBILITY IN THEIR VARIOUS HOUSING PROMISE AND THAT IS
BY LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL OR HOUSEHOLD INCOME, AND IT IS A
PERCENTAGE OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
THEY WILL BREAK IT DOWN WITH INTO THE VARIOUS BANDS WITH
THAN THE 80% OF THE AREA INCOME BAND WHICH IS WHAT THE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT CALLS
LOW INCOME.
LOW INCOME OR LOWER ARE THE INCOME RANGES THAT ARE
ELIGIBLE FOR THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PROGRAMS.
ALMOST ALL FEDERAL PROGRAMS REQUIRE LOW OR LOWER INCOME,
AND MANY OF THE STATE PROGRAMS DO AS WELL.
AND THAT TAKES ME INTO THE DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE
HOUSING.
WE DO HAVE A STATUTE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
DEFINES WORKFORCE HOUSING AS HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE
TO THOSE AT LOW INCOME OR BELOW.
NOW, AFFORDABILITY WOULD BE THE NEXT TERM TO LOOK INTO
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE INCOME THAT
IS DEDICATED TO HOUSING.
FOR HOUSING TO BE AFFORDABLE, IT MUST BE NO MORE THAN 30%
OF THE INCOME, INCLUDING NOT JUST THE RENT OR THE
MORTGAGE PAYMENTS BUT THE TAXES AND THE INCOME.
30% AT THE INCOME RANGE LOOKING INTO MAKING HOUSING
AFFORDABLE FOR.
FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD
BE HOUSING WHERE THE MONTHLY RENT OR MORTGAGE TOGETHER
WITH COSTS WOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 30% OF SOMEONE MAKING
80% OR LESS OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
AND THAT IS ALSO DEFINED IN STATUTE BY FLORIDA LAW.
THEN MOVING ONTO ESSENTIAL WORKER IT'S A LITTLE
DIFFERENT.
THIS IS NOT GENERALLY A TERM USED IN THE HOUSING, AND WE
DON'T USE IT IN THE CITY, AND I WAS UNABLE TO FIND
FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT USE IT EITHER.
BUT WE DO HAVE FEDERAL GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE TERM MEANS,
WHICH COMES FROM THE CDC.
NOW THEY USE THE TERM ESSENTIAL WORKER AS IT RELATES TO
THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
AND AS SUCH, THEY DO NOT LOOK AT INCOME TO BASE THIS ON
BUT RATHER INDUSTRY SECTORS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE
IS A WIDE RANGE OF PROFESSIONS THAT CAN QUALIFY.
SOME THAT YOU WOULD THINK FOR KEEPING THINGS RUNNING LIKE
FOOD PRODUCTION, DELIVERY, BUT ALSO DOCTORS, NURSES, JUST
ABOUT ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIAL TO
KEEP THE ECONOMY RUNNING DURING A PANDEMIC.
NOW, THIS IS AN INTERIM LIST THAT THEY PUBLISHED, AND I
THINK THE UNDERSTANDING HERE IS THE NEXT DISASTER THAT WE
FACE, HOPEFULLY A LONG TIME FROM NOW, MAY NOT BE BASED ON
CONTAGION OR DISEASE.
IT COULD BE SOME OTHER EFFECT.
AND IN THAT CASE, IS ESSENTIAL TO KEEPING OUR SOCIETY
RUNNING.
IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT SET OF INDUSTRY SECTORS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT SOMETIMES
PRIVATE DEVELOPERS MAY COME IN AND REPRESENT THE COUNCIL
THAT THEY ARE MAKING AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT I
THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR, THOSE TERMS AREN'T BINDING AS THEY ARE WHEN THEY
ARE USED BY GOVERNMENTS.
SO WHEN A PRIVATE DEVELOPER CALLS SOMETHING AFFORDABLE
WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT ACTUALLY
LINES UP WITH HUD OR STATE REGULATIONS AS TO WHAT
AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING CAN MEAN.
AND FOR THIS BODY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT A DEVELOPER REPRESENTING THIS TO YOU IS
RESERVING CERTAIN UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE, WE HAVE TO
CONSIDER IS HOW WE CAN GET AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY
AND THAT DEVELOPER TO ESTABLISH THOSE UNITS.
NOW, WHAT MAY ENTICE THEM TO ENTER INTO SUCH AN AGREEMENT
COULD VARY WHETHER YOU ARE GIVING CERTAIN EXTRA
CONSIDERATIONS, PERHAPS SOME FUNDING IF WE HAVE IT
AVAILABLE FOR THOSE UNITS, THROUGH A STATE OR FEDERAL
PROGRAM, OR SOME OTHER MEANS BY WHICH THE CITY COULD GET
THE DEVELOPER TO ENTER INTO A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT THAT
THEY WOULD RESERVE THESE AFFORDABILITY UNITS, AND THEN
ONCE IT'S IN WRITING THEN IT BECOMES ENFORCEABLE.
AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE SOME STAFF.
03:48:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
03:48:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS ISSUE IN FRONT OF US.
I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
THESE TERMS GET THROWN AROUND, AND SOMETIMES ABUSED
ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF REZONINGS.
AND ANOTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT MATTERS.
BRIAN, WAS THINKING AS YOU SAID THIS THAT PERHAPS WE CAN
BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE ONE ALREADY,
IS MAYBE LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAN DEVELOP SORT OF A TEMPLATE,
SOME KIND OF TEMPLATE AGREEMENT IN ADVANCE, AND THEN THAT
WAY, WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN FRONT OF US WITH A
REZONING AND USES THOSE TERMS, WE CAN SAY, WELL, HERE IS
OUR TEMPLATE, ARE YOU PREPARED TO ENTER INTO THIS, OR A
SIMILAR TYPE OF AGREEMENT?
THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH THE CITY?
AND THEN THAT WAY, IT DOESN'T DELAY ANYTHING, AND IT'S
KIND OF LIKE THIS IS OUR -- SORT OF SEND A MESSAGE THAT
THIS WOULD BE OUR EXPECTATION.
SO, ANYWAY, THROW THAT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SEE WHAT
YOU THINK.
03:49:28 >>BRIAN MORRISON:
I WILL DO THAT, SIR.
THANK YOU.
03:49:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BRIAN, YOU GAVE US SOME ANSWERS.
AND CLARIFIED SOME THINGS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
AS MR. DINGFELDER SAID, AND LIKE I HAVE BEEN SAYING, WHEN
PEOPLE COME SEE US IN OUR OFFICE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU HAVE SOME HOUSING.
AND FOR MR. CHARLIE MIRANDA, OR MR. VIERA, IT MIGHT BE IN
HIS CATEGORY.
SO I THINK WE MIGHT FIND A WAY TO MAKE A POLICY WHILE YOU
ARE HERE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY, TO HAVE A COPY OF SOME
INFORMATION I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IN HOUSING, GOOD
FRIEND OF MAIN, OTHER PLAYS, AND GAVE ME ABOUT SIX
DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS ON HOW SIFT SECTOR DEVELOPERS CAN
HELP IN THE HOUSING MARKET.
I GOT SOME INFORMATION FOUR, AND I WANT YOU TO HEAR ABOUT
THESE SIX DIFFERENT POINTS THAT COULD REALLY HELP WITH
PRIVATE DEVELOPERS DEALING WITH A CRISIS, BECAUSE THEIR
MAIN INTEREST IS TO MAKE MONEY, BUT ALSO THEY DO WANT TO
HAVE A NICE PLACE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO LIVE, WHETHER IT
BE LUXURY OR BE A PLACE THAT SOMEONE CAN LATER -- BUT
THEY DO HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT HOW THIS CITY, WHEN YOU
TALK ABOUT MAYBE TAX ABATEMENT OR THINGS LIKE THAT, TO
WHERE THEY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO IT BUT HOW DO
I GET THIS EXTRA SUBSIDY TO REALLY DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING
WHICH I CALL AFFORDABLE.
MAYBE MR. DINGFELDER SAYS THAT'S AFFORDABLE.
SO I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS HERE THAT I AM GOING TO HAVE
SOMEBODY GIVE YOU A COPY OF, AND THAT WAY YOU CAN GET IT
TO THE -- I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY.
I TRUST YOU.
YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO TELL ME TO DO, WHICH
COULD BRING ANSWERS BACK TO ME.
BUT ALSO ON AFFORDABLE HOUSE.
GENTLEMEN, DID YOU KNOW THE CLERK SEND OUR REAL ESTATE
DEPARTMENT NOTICES WHEN A HOUSE HAS CITY LIENS ON IT?
YES.
THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT GETS A LETTER FROM THE -- MS.
STATE-OF-THE-ART'S OFFICE, AND THEY HAVE THESE OPTIONS SO
MY QUESTION, WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AFTER THESE HOUSES THAT
BECOME DILAPIDATED IN THESE COMMUNITIES?
HAVE THE CRA BUY THEM UP OR THE CITY, AND REHAB THESE
HOUSES, AND HELP WITH SOME OF THESE CRISES SITUATIONS.
SO AGAIN YOU ARE HERE.
I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE YOU ARE
LISTENING, SO LOOK AND SEE WHY WE ARE NOT DOING THAT.
I UNDERSTAND IT COULD BE A STAFFING PROBLEM.
BUT I KNOW WE ARE UNDERSTAFFED IN A LOT OF THESE
DEPARTMENTS.
BUT AGAIN WE HAVE TO START LIKE WE TALKED THIS MORNING
BUILDING A SPECIAL TEAM TO GO AFTER SOME OF THESE, TO
HELP OUR CITIZENS.
SO WHEN I WAS TOLD ABOUT THIS AND I SAW THIS, AND I
DIDN'T CALL MS. STEWART YET, BUT I WILL BE CALLING YOU,
BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THE LETTER THAT SHE SENDS OUT TO
MUNICIPALITIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS
ON THEIR PROPERTY ASSOCIATION MY QUESTION, IF THE
PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN AWARDED, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE
BEEN MAKING THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, ACTUALLY
BRINGING IN, IN REFERENCE THOSE LIENS?
AND WHY ARE WE NOT TRYING TO HAVE OUR DEPARTMENT BUILD ON
THESE HOUSES OR THESE LOTS?
AND WE THAT INTO OUR HOUSING STOCK THAT WE START GOING
OUT AGAIN, AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, MR. VIERA, AND HAVE
A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN HAVE THE JAILS AND THESE PLACES DO
SOME TRAINING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THIS REHAB, AND LOOK
AT OTHER NEEDS, OR MAKING THINGS WORK?
LIKE MR. MIRANDA JUST SAID, WAS IT 100 FEET, MR. MIRANDA,
TO THROW SOME MUD, WOULD COST $9,000.
$9 THAT YOU TO PUT A SIDEWALK FROM HERE TO THERE.
HUH?
THAT'S CRAZY.
I'M A BUSINESSMAN.
YOU WATCH YOUR MONEY.
WE HAVE TO WATCH OUR MONEY.
WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOME THINGS TO WATCH OUR MONEY.
TO BE ABLE TO DO OTHER PROJECTS.
SO IF YOU WILL GET ME SOME INFORMATION, BRIAN, AND COME
BACK TO THIS BODY WITH WHAT I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU AND
ALSO ABOUT THESE TAX LIENS, IT WOULD BE MOST
APPRECIATIVE.
YOU GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED, TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO ANYBODY -- BUT AS DEFINED IS BASICALLY ANYBODY WITH
CENTRAL NEEDS DURING A CRISIS.
I THINK MR. DINGFELDER IS RIGHT.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVING A POLICY WITH AFFORDABILITY THAT
PEOPLE COME TO OUR OFFICE, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A POLICY
TO SAY, NO, THAT DOESN'T FALL INTO OUR GUIDELINES.
IT NEED TO FALL INTO OUR GUIDELINES.
I THINK WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING, PUT A SYSTEM IN
PLACE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.
SO IF YOU CAN COME BACK TO US SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
I KNOW YOU ARE A BUSY GUY.
I LIKE THE WAY YOU WORK.
YOU GIVE GOOD ANSWERS.
AND YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THINGS
HAPPEN FOR THE CITIZENS.
YOU WERE A GREAT HIRE.
03:56:03 >>BRIAN MORRISON:
I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT'S VERY NICE.
03:56:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAKE SURE THE CLERK GETS A COPY OF THIS
AND MAKE SURE WE GET A COPY.
ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
ITEM NUMBER 8.
03:56:23 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, ITEM NUMBER 8 IS A REPORT IN RESPONSE TO
YOUR MOTION BACK ON APRIL 15th IN WHICH YOU REQUESTED
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THE NEW ZONING
ORDINANCE FROM THE CITY OF CHICAGO THAT ADDRESSED
ANTI-CONVERSION, ANTI-DISPLACEMENT AND LOOK AT OTHER
CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO
MITIGATE DISPLACEMENT THAT SOMETIMES OCCURS ALONG WITH
GENTRIFICATION.
SO I DID SUBMIT TO YOU A STAFF REPORT ON THAT.
WE LOOKED AT THE CHICAGO ORDINANCE.
CHICAGO ORDINANCE WAS CONCERNED WITH WHAT WAS OCCURRING
IN TERMS OF DISPLACEMENT THERE IN CHICAGO, WHICH WAS A
LOSS OF DENSITY.
SO THE ISSUE THAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING IN CHICAGO WITH
DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND TAKING SMALL UNIT APARTMENT
BUILDINGS, TWO AND THREE-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND
CONVERTING THEM SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS OR REDUCING THE
NUMBER OF UNITS IN THAT BUILDING.
THEIR CONCERN WAS WITH MAINTAINING THE DENSITY IN THESE
TWO SPECIFIC AREAS.
AS DETAILED IN MY STAFF REPORT, CHICAGO ALSO UNDERTOOK
AND IS TRYING OUT A SURCHARGE TAX FOR DEMOLITION, SO THE
DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND EITHER DEMOLISHING A
SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OR DEMOLISHING A SMALL UNIT APARTMENT
BUILDING, DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY $5,000 PER UNIT IF THERE
ARE THREE OR MORE UNITS IN THE BUILDING, AND IF IT'S A
SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, THEN IT'S $15,000.
THAT TAX IS CURRENTLY SUBJECT OF A LAWSUIT.
THE LAWSUIT WAS FILED IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ORDINANCE
IMPOSING THAT SURCHARGE TAX WAS ADOPTED.
SO NONE OF THESE ATTEMPTS AT MITIGATING DISPLACEMENT HAVE
REALLY BEEN IN PLACE LONG ENOUGH TO DETERMINE WHAT EFFECT
THEY ARE HAVING, IF THEY ARE ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF
DISPLACEMENT THAT YOU HAVE THAT CHICAGO IS EXPERIENCING.
THE REPORT DOES ALSO DETAIL OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTRY THAT I TOOK A LOOK AT.
CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA, ATLANTA, AUSTIN, TEXAS,
PORTLAND, GONE, THAT HAVE TRIED OTHER DIFFERENT METHODS
TO ADDRESS DISPLACEMENT THAT'S OCCURRING IN THEIR CITIES.
FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THEM HAVE ADOPTED A PREFERENCE
POLICY THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTS IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT IS INTERNING GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT TO
EITHER REMAIN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR HAVE FIRST CHOICE OF
PREFERENCE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
OTHERS HAVE USED -- ATLANTA IS USING A HOUSING TRUST FUND
IN ORDER TO ASSIST RESIDENTS IN AN AREA OF GENTRIFYING
WHERE PROPERTY TAX RATES ARE RAISING TO UTILIZE FUND TO
ASSIST THE RESIDENTS IN PAYING THEIR TAX BILL SO THEY ARE
NOT DISPLACED BECAUSE OF UNPAID TAXES.
AND THE SURVEY THAT I PICKED UP REALLY REVEALED IS FIRST
OF ALL, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER
GENTRIFICATION IS OCCURRING -- I'M SORRY, WHETHER
DISPLACEMENT OCCURRING BECAUSE DISPLACEMENT DOESN'T
ALWAYS FOLLOW THE GENTRIFICATION OCCURS, BUT IF IT'S
OCCURRING, IT'S DETERMINED WHERE, WHAT SPECIFIC
NEIGHBORHOODS, DETERMINED HOW IT'S OCCURRING, IN ORDER TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS IT AND HOW TO MITIGATE FOR THE.
SO THAT WAS REALLY THE KIND OF OVERARCHING RESULT AND THE
LESSONS THAT I GLEANED FROM THE SURVEY.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ON THE
REPORT.
04:00:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON?
04:00:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THIS.
I WOULD LOVE TO DIG DEEPER INTO THIS AT SOME POINT.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE BIGGEST DISPLACEMENT THAT'S
HAPPENED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS WAS NORTH BOULEVARD HOMES,
AND THAT WAS TWO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES INCLUDING THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
AND THAT WAS A THOUSAND FAMILIES THAT GOT DISPLACED.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I RAN FOR OFFICE WAS
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DON THAT KIND OF THING AGAIN.
THE OTHER CITIES THAT I HAVE BEEN TO ON THE CHAMBER
BENCHMARKING TRIP WE SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BUILT,
BUT THEY BUILD NEW STOCK AND THEN TEAR DOWN OLD AS TO BE
STOCK.
BUT WE DIDN'T BUILD ANYTHING TO REPLACE IT.
AS A RESULT, THERE'S A BIG ARGUMENT ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
BUT THE NUMBERS I SAW WAR 70% OF THE PEOPLE LEFT THE CITY
SO THAT EXACERBATES THE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEM OR THE
SCHOOL ISSUES AND CREATES CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY IN
PLACES LIKE BRANDON AND THE USF AREA.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT THE
SOCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T ALLOW
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES OR GOVERNMENT PARTNERS TO DO THAT
AGAIN.
THANK YOU.
04:01:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. VELEZ, THANK YOU.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE PERFECT
FIXES AT THE TIME.
BUT I DON'T 2021 SAY WHAT WE CAN'T DO, BUT WHAT WE CAN
DO.
WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS IN THE CITY ABOUT
GENTRIFICATION.
I KNOW THAT'S WHY I KEEP SAYING WE HAVE GOT TO BUILD A
SPECIAL TEAM AROUND SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS.
THAT'S WHY I AM FIGHTING SO HARD TO GET HOUSING FOR MORE
PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT, WE NEED A SPECIALIZED TEAM TO
HAMMER SOME OF THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO
DO A LOT OF THIS WORK.
BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE
NUMBERS, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE STOP
THE LUXURIES FROM COMING INTO THESE COMMUNITIES.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE NEED DENSITY.
WE NEED AFFORDABILITY WITH DENSITY ON THOSE MAJOR
CORRIDORS.
NEBRASKA, FLORIDA AVENUE, 15th STREET, 40th
STREET, THOSE ARE MAJOR CORRIDORS, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
CITY.
DENSITY IS GOOD FOR THOSE AREAS.
BUT LUXURY APARTMENTS, GOOD APARTMENTS, DECENT CONDOS.
BUT DECENT LIVING THAT'S AFFORDABLE.
LOOK AT SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU MAY SEE, I AM GOING TO
SUBMIT SOME IDEAS REFERENCE TO REHABBING AND DO SOME
OTHER THINGS WITH DEVELOPERS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO
ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THIS STUFF, BUT TO HAVE A PLAN TO MAKE
SURE WE ARE NOT GENTRIFYING OR JUST TAKING A COMMUNITY,
TOTALLY TRANSFORMING IT TO WHERE IT'S JUST IN A MARKET
THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T LIVE IN IT.
TALK ABOUT SOME PLACES, PROPERTY TAXES.
MY HOUSE WAS ONLY VALUED AT $9,000, IT DOESN'T INCREASE
THAT FAST, BUT OVER TIME IT WILL GO UP.
SO I THINK LOOKING AT A PLAN, FOR THE FUTURE, THAT WAY
PEOPLE WON'T SAY WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
SO IT DOES TAKE TIME, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A
TEAM TO START LOOKING TO BUILD THOSE BENCHMARKS SO WE CAN
BE READY TO BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE
CITY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
I SEE ABBYE IS WRITING DOWN.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK MOST OF THIS COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT
THE PRIMARY GOAL HAS TO BE, AND HAS TO BE A HOUSING PLAN
BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CRISIS FOR THE COMING.
WE HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT.
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
MR. VIERA, DID I SEE YOUR HAND?
MR. DINGFELDER FIRST.
04:04:17 >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER IF I MAY.
I THINK WE ALSO HAVE A MORATORIUM.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE 5:00, WHENEVER.
04:04:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OH, YES.
THIS IS THE LAST ONE WE HAVE.
WE ARE CLOSING DOWN.
RELAX.
I GOT YOU.
04:04:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARD TO ITEM 8 AND
HOUSING AND GENTRY FAKES, CLEARLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST
CHALLENGES FACING US AS A CITY, AND AS A COUNTY, AND AS A
COMMUNITY, IS HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
ONE THING I DON'T -- WHEN IT COMES TO THE GENTRIFICATION
ISSUE, ONE THING I DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH BASED UPON
WHAT I HAVE READ, AND MY PEN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, IS I
THINK THAT HOME OWNERSHIP IS A FANTASTIC THING FOR FOLKS
WHO HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO OWN THEIR OWN HOME.
AND IF THEY OWN THEIR OWN HOME IN AN AREA WHERE THE
PROPERTY VALUES ARE RISING, THEN THEIR PROPERTY IS
RISING, THEIR FAMILY'S NET WORTH IS INCREASING, AND I
THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE THING FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU CAN BORROW AGAINST YOUR HOUSE, SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO
COLLEGE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
OR YOU CAN SELL YOUR HOUSE AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND
YOUR HOUSE IS PROBABLY QUADRUPLED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT PART OF GENTRIFICATION IS A POSITIVE
THING, BUT ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES, THE STATE OF
FLORIDA, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, HAS LIMITED TAX INCREASES
TO 3% PER YEAR FOR HOUSEHOLD.
SO AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GIVE UP THAT HOMESTEAD, YOU ARE
PROTECTED, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO INCREASE 3% NO MATTER
HOW BIG THAT HOUSE IS NEXT DOOR.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT WE DO HAVE TO FOCUS ON IS RENTAL
HOUSING AND RENTAL PRICES, BECAUSE IN CERTAIN PARTS OF
TOWN WHERE FOLKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LIVE COMFORTABLY LET'S
SAY 5 OR $600 A MONTH FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, SOMETHING
LIKE THAT, I KNOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT $1,000, $1200.
DEFINITELY COULD BE DOUBLED WHAT THEY USED TO PAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO FORCE PEOPLE OUT.
SO I THINK, YES, IT'S A WONDERFUL FOR THING US TO FOCUS
SOME OF OUR EFFORTS ON GETTING PEOPLE INTO NEW HOMES, AND
HELPING MIDDLE CLASS GET INTO HOMES THAT THEY CAN OWN.
THAT'S A GOOD THING.
BUT I THINK THE REALLY MORE URGENT ISSUE IS FOCUSING OUR
ATTENTION, FOCUSING ON WHAT LITTLE MONEY WE HAVE ON THIS
RENTAL CRISIS.
AND HOW WE DO THAT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
04:07:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, I WOULD AGREE, BECAUSE
I SAID BEFORE, NOT EVERYBODY IS READY TO BE A HOMEOWNER.
EVERYONE IS NOT.
BECAUSE A HOME IS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY F.SOMETHING
BREAKS YOU HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO FIX IT.
SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE, A LOT OF MODERN
CONVENIENCES, IS EDUCATION FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, HE CAN'T FIX THAT HOUSE, HAD HE
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, HE FEELS SELLS THE HOUSE FOR QUICK
CASH AND HE'S GONE.
THAT'S WHY I SAY WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE EXISTING STOCK
THAT WE HAVE, BUT THE EXISTING STOCK WE HAVE TO BE ABLE
TO HELP THOSE FOLKS OUT WITH REHABBING THOSE HOMES, TO BE
STAY IN THOSE HOMES.
THAT'S WHY I AM GLAD MY GOOD FRIEND BRIAN TOLD -- TO BE
ABLE TO HELP IN THAT REHAB PROGRAM AND HE'S GOING TO PASS
THAT ON TO ABBYE BECAUSE THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS
YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A BLOCK OF HOMES WITH A BRAND NEW HOUSE ON
IT BE AND THE REST OF THE STREET LOOKS LIKE GARBAGE.
PERIOD.
SO THAT'S THE BIG FOCUS.
EVEN SOME OF THOSE LANDLORDS WHO ARE STRUGGLING TOO, THEY
LET SOMEBODY THERE JUST TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY TAX BUT
THEY CAN'T FIX IT THEMSELVES.
SO WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A PROCESS FOR THEM AS WELL TO BE
ABLE TO HELP EVERYBODY.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS,
SOME DIFFERENT FUNDING.
THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT FUNDING TO HELP SOME OF THESE
PEOPLE.
BECAUSE AGAIN WHEN YOU GET A BRAND NEW SUIT, YOU LOOK
GOOD, YOU SMELL GOOD.
BUT IF I AM DOWN -- THE SAME THING TODAY, I HAVE -- I
THINK MR. CARLSON MENTIONED.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
04:09:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
I YOU WANT TO QUICKLY AMPLIFY WHAT YOU
ARE SAY BEING MANY THINGS BUT IN PARTICULAR ABOUT
INTERVENTION IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
PRIVATE SECTOR HAS EXPERTISE, HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE
ACCESS TO GRANT FUNDING NATIONALLY AND STATE WIDE.
THEY HAVE STAFF SO THEY CAN MOVE QUICKLY, AND ALSO THEY
HAVE INNOVATION.
AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT -- I THINK WE NEED TO THINK
DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU HAVE BIG GOALS AND THE
NUMBER OF HOUSING THAT WE BRING, BUT THEN WE NEED TO
THINK SMALLER ABOUT THEM, THE POCKETS OF CONTRACTS AND
DEALS THAT WE DO AND SPREAD IT OUT.
AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOESN'T ONLY INCLUDE FOR-PROFITS,
IT INCLUDES NON-FOR-PROFITS LIKE HABITAT AND GRACE POINT.
TO MAKE A POINT, SOMEONE I KNEW MOVED INTO GRACE POINTED
A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND I WENT BY THERE, AND THE BRAND NEW
UNIT, BEAUTIFUL FACILITIES, GREAT AMENITIES, BETTER THAN
MOST APARTMENTS, AND IT'S LIKE 650 A MONTH.
AND THEY ARE ABLE TO BRING -- IT'S A NONPROFIT, WORKING
FOR PROFIT, AND THE GOVERNMENT, END THAT BRING IN OTHER
SERVICES TO PROVIDE THINGS LIKE DISHES AND FURNITURE.
AND THE MORE THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE THE LIMITED MONEY AND
STAFF TIME WE HAVE TO LEVERAGE WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS,
AND PUSH FOR INNOVATION AND EQUALITY AND TO SOME EXTENT
COMPETITION, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM
FASTER AND PROVIDE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
THANK YOU.
04:10:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
04:10:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COLLABORATION.
FIRST WOULD LIKE TO THANK THIS COUNCIL ACTING AS THE CRB
FOR PURCHASING THE OLD ARMY NAVY DOWNTOWN TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE HAVE WORKFORCE HOUSING DOWNTOWN.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO JOIN FORCES NOT ONLY WITH
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE
TRANSPORTATION SO THAT WE CAN -- (LOST AUDIO) --
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
04:11:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
MS. VELEZ, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
STELLAR JOB AS USUAL.
KEEP YOUR FOOT ON THE PEDAL AND KEEP THIS THING MOVING,
ALL RIGHT?
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
THE LAST ITEM OF THE DAY, ITEM NUMBER 10.
04:11:45 >>CAROLE POST:
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
04:11:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE SHE IS, CAROLE POST.
04:11:58 >>CAROLE POST:
I WANT TO ADDRESS ITEM 10.
I JUST WANT TO REFLECT ON THE HEARING, THE CONVERSATION
YOU JUST HAD ABOUT HOUSING.
AND RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU SUGGESTED
ARE BEING LOOKED INTO AND EXPLORED AND APPRECIATE THE
INPUT ON THAT.
I THINK THERE'S MORE TO COME THERE.
THANK YOU, THOUGH.
ON ITEM NUMBER 10, THIS ITEM IS UP FOR WORKSHOP TODAY.
I KNOW WE ARE VERY TIGHT ON TIME SO WE WILL MOVE THROUGH
THIS RAPIDLY.
THIS IS THE INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE WHICH
HAS BEEN BEFORE CITY COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES, FEBRUARY,
ORIGINALLY INITIATED BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2020.
ON MAY 6, THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED A VERSION OF THE
ORDINANCE, AND AGAIN REFLECTING THE STRICT USE OF THE
F.A.R. PROVISION CITY-WIDE FOR SINGLE USE RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND THREE DESIGNATED LAND USE CATEGORIES.
AT THAT MEETING ON THE 6th, COUNCIL REQUESTED STAFF
TO RETURN TO THIS WORKSHOP AND TO EXPLORE LIMITING THE
APPLICATION OF THAT ORDINANCE BY EXCLUDING PARCELS THAT
ARE LOCATED WITHIN A QUARTER MILE WALKING DISTANCE FROM A
TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDOR.
AND THAT'S DEFINED BY A COMP PLAN THAT WAS NOTED POLICY
5.1.9.
RANDY GOERS WILL GIVE YOU A REALLY QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT
HIS RESEARCH REVEALED ABOUT THAT, A SHORT PRESENTATION.
BEFORE HE DOES, I WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE YOU AND THE
COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE VERY
INTERESTED IN THIS, ON THE PROGRESS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN AMENDMENT.
THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION SINCE APRIL 1st RELATIVE TO
THIS MATTER.
WE CALL IT THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, WOULD BE THE
PERMANENT CHANGE TO USE THE F.A.R. IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS,
AND IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
AS THAT PROCESS IS UNDERWAY, IT INCLUDES A LOT OF PUBLIC
INPUT SESSIONS, AND THE CONCEPT OF EXCLUDING
TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS IS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
IT WILL BE AN ACTIVE PART OF THE FINAL ASSESSMENT.
WE BELIEVE IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO ENSURE THAT THE
PERMANENT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS SENSITIVE TO THE
RELATIONSHIP AROUND DENSITY WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO MANAGE
DENSITY VERSUS WHERE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT.
THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS ACTUALLY TRACKING -- IT IS
TARGETED TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR TRANSMITTAL ON
SEPTEMBER 30th.
SO RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
SO THE DISCUSSION TODAY CAN CERTAINLY HELP FURTHER
DIALOGUE ABOUT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND JUST CLARIFYING
FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WILL BE LISTENING IN,
TODAY THERE IS NO ACTION, THERE'S NO VOTE ON THIS MATTER.
THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP ITEM.
SO I WILL TURN IT OVER QUICKLY TO RANDY, LET HIM SHARE
SOME OF HIS IS A ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE PROPOSAL ON THE
TRANSIT CORRIDOR PROXIMITY, AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY
DISCUSSIONS.
04:15:05 >>RANDY GOERS:
IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN.
YOU HAVE MY PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN?
I WILL GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY.
THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AT THE
WORKSHOP.
JUST ONE ITEM FOR ORDER, THE MOTION REFERENCE POLICY 5
.1.9 IN THE COMP PLAN.
THE REFERENCE FOR THE CORRIDOR IS ACTUALLY IN THE
PREAMBLE FOR GOAL 6 FUNDING, WANTED FOR THE RECORD TO
MAKE CLEAR THAT THE POLICY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
FALLS INTO GOAL 6, NOT 5.1.9.
THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES THE GOALS, JUST FOR THE RECORD,
IN CASE THOSE WHO RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION REFERENCE
BACK TO THE POLICY PERTAINING TO THESE CORRIDORS.
ON THE LEFT IS THE LAND USE CATEGORIES FOR THE CT 35, UMU
35, UMU 60, ON THE RIGHT IS THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS, THE
ONE QUARTER MILE BUFFER FOR THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS
REFERENCED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IN THE NEXT SLIDE WE SHOW THE PLAN, THE PARCELS, BECAUSE
THE PARCELS THAT HAVE THE DESIGNATION OF CMU-35, UMU-60,
WHICH ARE INSIDE THE BUFFER.
UNDER THIS PROPOSAL IT COULD BE THE PARCELS THAT WOULD BE
ALLOWED TO USE THE F.A.R. FOR SINGLE USE RESIDENTIAL, ON
THE RIGHT IN SHOWS IN READ THE PARCELS THAT WOULD FALLEN
SIDE THE BUFFER.
ZOOMING IN SHOWS THE PATTERNS OF WHAT'S INSIDE THE
BUFFER, WHAT'S OUTSIDE THE BUFFER.
YOU SEE THAT THERE'S QUITE A FEW PARCELS THAT ARE ALONG
ROADS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
QUITE A FEW THAT ARE INSIDE THE CORRIDOR.
WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE CENTRAL AREA AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE
SAME SORT OF PATTERN, SOME INSIDE, SOME OUTSIDE, WE START
SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROVISION AT THE UPPER RIGHT,
THE PARCEL THERE SPLIT, SOME OF IT IS OUTSIDE THE
CORRIDOR, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS.
THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA AGAIN, WHAT'S IN THE CORRIDOR,
WHAT'S OUTSIDE, WHAT WAS MENTIONED DURING THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS IN THE PAST.
A COUPLE OF PROVISIONS AGAIN THAT ARE SHOWING UP AS SPLIT
PARCEL HERE, SHOWING THAT THE PLAN IS IN THE OUTSIDE
CORRIDOR.
BUT THEN AGAIN WE TALK ABOUT ON THE SURFACE, IT LOOKS
LIKE IT'S IN THE CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S NOT.
THE PARCEL AT RATTLESNAKE POINT IS ONE MILE WALKING
DISTANCE, WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND BRIDGE STREET AND THEN
COME BACK TO THE INSIDE THE AREA BASED ON THE DEFINITION.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE PATTERNS, WE SORT OF
PICKED UP THE CORRIDORS, REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THE F.A.R.
DESIGNATION.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT HAPPENED IN THE CORRIDORS.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE PATTERNS, WHAT WE SAW,
CREATE COMPLICATED FOR THE APPLICANT WITH PROPERTY
OWNERS, STAFF CAN DEFINITIVELY DETERMINE WHICH PARCELS
ARE IN AND WHICH PARCELS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CORRIDOR.
MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
IT WOULD REQUIRE THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE ABLE TO
DEMONSTRATE WHICH ONES ARE IN THE CORRIDOR.
THERE ARE ALSO PARCELS THAT ARE SPLIT, ONES THAT I
IDENTIFIED WERE VISIBLE ON OUR MAPS, BETTER SPLIT.
BUT PROPERTY OWNER WOULD ALSO CONFIRM THAT WE RECOMMEND
AT LEAST 50% OF THE SITE INSIDE THE CORRIDOR TO QUALIFY
FOR THE EXEMPTION.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO AGAIN CONFIRM THAT
SITUATION.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, YOU WILL SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO LOOK AT HOW BEST TO MANAGE F.A.R., WE ARE TRYING TO
ENCOURAGE DENSITY, SUPPORT TRANSIT, ALTHOUGH THE
RESULTANT PATTERN IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED, WITH SOME OF
THE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AS PART OF THE OVERALL
COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
AS CAROLE MENTIONED IT'S COMING BEFORE COUNCIL IN
NOVEMBER.
SO WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY
TO ANSWER THOSE.
04:20:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:20:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, CAROLE AND RANDY.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU KNOW, BACK IN MAY, CLEARLY I WAS PITCHING PRETTY HARD
FOR US TO PUT IN INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.
BUT THE VOTES WEREN'T NECESSARILY THERE, SO WE JUST
CARRIED IT OVER TO TODAY.
I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON
THE ALTERNATIVE, WHICH IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT
HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ADOPTING THIS FALL.
MY ONLY REQUEST AT THIS POINT, CAROLE, AND YOU AND I
TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, IN OTHER CONTEXTS, IS TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A DRAFT EARLIER THAN THAT, THAT
DATE THAT YOU WANT US TO -- THAT WE ARE SCHEDULED TO VOTE
ON IT.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST, LOOKING AT OUR CALENDAR, WE HAVE A
REGULAR MEETING SEPTEMBER 2nd, AND MAYBE YOU CAN JUST
PRESENT A DRAFT TO US, A FIVE-MINUTE STAFF REPORT, DRAFT
TO US, YOU KNOW, ON THAT DATE, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN
USE THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER TO GIVE YOU OUR FEEDBACK
INDIVIDUALLY BASED UPON A DRAFT.
IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE RANDY ALMOST HAS A DRAFT AT THIS
POINT.
BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU GUYS THE REST OF THE SUMMER TO MASSAGE
THAT, AND I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOUR DISCRETION TO GO AHEAD
AND BRING THAT BACK WHEN IT'S READY.
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY AND GIVE US A MONTH OF
SEPTEMBER TO MASSAGE IT.
04:22:15 >>CAROLE POST:
I THINK THAT WOULD WORK FINE.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK AND USE THAT
ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET THE INPUT FROM COUNCIL AND ALSO TO
REFLECT ON THE INPUT WE RECEIVED IN THE SUMMER IN THE
VARIOUS TOUCH POINTS THAT ALREADY HAVE BUILT IN.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
04:22:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT ON THAT.
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU ALL HAVE BEEN
PUTTING INTO IT.
THANK YOU.
04:22:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
MRS. WELLS, I SEE YOU BACK THERE.
ANYTHING?
OKAY, GENTLEMEN.
WE HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT I AM GOING TO PUT OFF THIS
EVENING, A RESOLUTION TO BRING FORTH TO YOU, AND ALSO THE
TRIM CALENDAR.
MR. SHELBY.
04:22:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CAROLE, I THINK WE ARE DONE WITH YOUR
ITEM.
04:23:03 >> CHAIR, MAY I CLARIFY?
MR. DINGFELDER, WE ARE NOT PROCEEDING TO BRING A
CONTROLLED ORDINANCE BACK FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION TO
COUNCIL?
04:23:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT SEEMED TO BE THE INCLINATION OF
COUNCIL BACK IN MAY AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY JUMPING UP
AND DOWN TODAY.
SO I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I WILL JUST LET IT
DRIFT AWAY AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER, I THINK.
IS THAT WHAT THE SONG SAID?
04:23:31 >>CAROLE POST:
THANK YOU.
04:23:32 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ALSO HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT THIS
MORNING, WE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS INDIVIDUALLY
THAT IT'S TOO LATE, IF WE WOULD DO THIS WE SHOULD HAVE
DONE IT A WHILE BACK.
AND SO THEY SEEM TO BE OKAY WITH US NOT MOVING FORWARD ON
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
THE OTHER THING, DON'T FORGET, WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON IN
SEPTEMBER, WE STILL HAVE I THINK IN NOVEMBER A SEPARATE
MOTION WHICH WAS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING SOUTH OF GANDY IN
PARTICULAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER THING ON THE CALENDAR.
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO THREW OUT THE
WORD MORATORIUM AND ESPECIALLY DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
WHEN THEY THREW OUT THE MORATORIUM THEY CRITICIZED US FOR
PUSHING A MORATORIUM AND SCARING DEVELOPERS, AND
INVESTORS NATIONALLY.
BUT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DID THAT.
THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IRONICALLY IS THE ONE THAT
PUSHED THIS WORD MORATORIUM.
I SUGGEST IF WE GET INTO A CONVERSATION LIKE THIS NEXT
TIME THAT THE FOLKS DON'T PUSH A WORD THAT COULD
POTENTIALLY HURT INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE NONE
OF US WANT TO DO THAT.
AND USING A WORD LIKE THAT, THAT HURTS INVESTMENT, TO
FIGHT SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
THANK YOU.
04:24:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ONLY POTENTIALLY FUEL THE FLAMES.
04:24:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
AND INVESTORS, I TALK TO INVESTORS, THEY
SAW IT.
AND WHEN YOU RUN AN ARTICLE CRYING ABOUT A MORATORIUM,
THEY ARE GOING TO SEE IT.
THEY DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE THOSE OP-EDS RAN.
IT'S NOT JUST TO SCARE US.
IT'S SCARING INVESTORS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
04:25:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN.
I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY MOTIONS AT THIS PARTICULAR
TIME.
WE'LL DO IT THIS EVENING.
MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
04:25:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A CLARIFICATION WITH THE CLERK
GOING BACK TO THIS MORNING'S MEETING ABOUT THE CMT.
THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHETHER IT'S GOING TO COME
BACK TONIGHT FOR DISCUSSION.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM A CLARIFICATION OF THE MOTION,
IF THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS CONTINUE, IT'S GOING TO BE
CONTINUING UNDER THE EMERGENCY RULES.
IF IT DOES EXPIRE, IT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO STILL
CONTINUE ON JULY 15th AS LONG AS IT FEES FIT WITH THE
CMT.
04:25:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ANYTHING ABOUT
THAT TONIGHT.
WE MADE CLEAR THIS MORNING, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, IF
THE ORDER FIRST, WE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE 15th AND
TAKE IT UP AT THAT TIME.
04:26:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO FIND OUT REQUEST
THE CLERK.
ARE YOU CLEAR?
04:26:08 >> SO THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE THIS MORNING BY
COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER IS GOING TO BE JUST TAKE THAT
OFF?
04:26:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHAT WAS THE LAST THING YOU NEED?
04:26:18 >>THE CLERK:
ARE WE GOING TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE
SUMMARY?
I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER VIERA FOR THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO MODIFYING RULES AND PROCEDURES ON
A TEMPORARY BASIS IN REGARDS TO THE CMT.
AND THAT WAS TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE EVENING SESSION.
04:26:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, TAKE THAT OFF.
04:26:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT WOULD BE MODIFIED TO CARRY OVER TO
JULY 15th INSTEAD OF TONIGHT.
04:26:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
04:26:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU HAVE TO HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH
IT.
04:26:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. MIRANDA.
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
04:26:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE LAST THING BEFORE YOU TAKE A BREAK,
YOU HAVE MOTIONS TONIGHT.
04:27:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.
04:27:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OH, I'M SORRY.
04:27:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOCKS BY MR. MIRANDA.
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
04:27:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FORGIVE ME.
I'M SORRY, COUNCIL.
JUST A REMINDER.
I HAVE BEEN REMINDED THAT ON JULY 15, YOU HAVE 22 SECOND
READINGS, TWO REVIEW HEARINGS, AND FIVE STAFF REPORTS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY MOTIONS THAT YOU PLAN ON MAKING
TONIGHT, PLEASE CONSIDER ANOTHER DATE THAN JULY 15th.
THANK YOU.
04:27:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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