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Tampa City Council
Thursday, June 17, 2021
9:00 a.m.

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09:04:33 [GAVEL SOUNDING]

09:04:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMING TO

09:04:41 ORDER.

09:04:42 GOOD MORNING.

09:04:44 INVOCATION, MR. CITRO.

09:04:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:04:51 AN HONOR AND PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE ALEXANDER PADILLA

09:04:53 II.

09:04:55 HE IS A NATIVE OF SPRING HILL.

09:04:58 A GRADUATE OF UCF.

09:05:04 HE CONTINUED HIS PRIESTLY FORMATION AT SAINT JOHN

09:05:17 VIENY PONTIFICAL COLLEGE AND STUDIED CANON LAW OF ST.

09:05:21 THOMAS AQUINAS IN ROME AND AT THE CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY

09:05:21 OF AMERICA.

09:05:26 HE HAS BEEN THE VICAR OF CHRIST THE KING PARISH OF

09:05:29 TAMPA SINCE 2020 IN JULY.

09:05:36 HE WILL SERVE AS THE PROFESSOR OF CANON LAW AT VINCENT

09:05:38 DEPAUL SEMINARY.

09:05:40 FATHER, VERY NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE.

09:05:44 PLEASE LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND EVERYONE PLEASE RISE

09:05:47 AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

09:05:48 FATHER.

09:05:51 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.

09:05:52 ALSO HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

09:05:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.

09:05:57 >> SINCE I AM A CATHOLIC PRIEST, I WILL BEGIN WITH THE

09:05:59 SIGN OF THE CROSS.

09:06:01 IF YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC, I MEAN NO OFFENSE.

09:06:04 OF THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

09:06:05 AMEN.

09:06:07 LORD, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO

09:06:11 GATHER TOGETHER IN PERSON TO DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE

09:06:14 CITY AFFAIRS HERE IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBER.

09:06:16 LORD, I ASK TO YOU BLESS THESE CONVERSATIONS, THESE

09:06:18 DELIBERATIONS.

09:06:22 I ASK YOU TO GUIDE THE DISCUSSION FOR THE BEST INTEREST

09:06:25 OF THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA AND OF THIS AREA.

09:06:29 AND IN A SPECIAL WAY, LORD, I ASK YOU TO BE PRESENCE IN

09:06:29 THIS ROOM.

09:06:32 TO BE PRESENT WITH ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE HERE.

09:06:35 AND IN A SPECIAL WAY, ASK TO YOU BLESS THEM AND THEIR

09:06:36 FAMILY.

09:06:38 LORD, LET THE COUNCIL PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS

09:06:40 WITH THEM AND YOU WILL ALWAYS LOVE THEM.

09:06:44 BE WITH THEM WHEREVER THEY MAY BE IN THIS CHAMBER AND

09:06:45 OUTSIDE OF IT.

09:06:48 AND ALWAYS DRAW THEM CLOSER TO YOUR HEART AND TO YOUR

09:06:48 LOVE.

09:06:51 I ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON ALL OF THEM AND THEIR

09:06:56 FAMILIES, FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN.

09:07:08 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

09:07:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FATHER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT

09:07:12 WONDERFUL INVOCATION.

09:07:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:07:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:07:17 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

09:07:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

09:07:22 >>CLERK: DINGFELDER.

09:07:23 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

09:07:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

09:07:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

09:07:30 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

09:07:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:07:36 MY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

09:07:39 AGAIN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

09:07:41 THURSDAY, JUNE 17, 2021.

09:07:44 WE ARE HERE IN CITY HALL DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF

09:07:48 EMERGENCY AND TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED LIVE

09:07:53 WITH THE IN-PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN

09:07:53 CHAMBERS.

09:07:57 MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY THROUGH

09:08:00 VIDEO CONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA STATUTES AND

09:08:04 RULES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.

09:08:06 TODAY'S MEETING IS HELD WITHIN THE EMERGENCY RULES OF

09:08:11 PROCEDURES ADOPTED BY RESTITUTION 2020-225 AND AMENDED

09:08:17 2020-490 AND RESOLUTION 2021-241.

09:08:22 THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH ON

09:08:28 CABLE TV 640, SPECTRUM 15 AND ON THE INTERNET AT

09:08:33 TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM, ONE WORD.

09:08:38 MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN COMMUNICATE WITH CITY

09:08:38 COUNCIL.

09:08:41 THOSE ARE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT

09:08:46 IS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.

09:08:53 WITH REGARD TO LAND USE AND ALCOHOLIC PUBLIC HEARING,

09:08:55 PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED BECAUSE VIDEO IS REQUIRED

09:08:58 AND CELL PHONE IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE

09:08:59 THAT VIDEO ON OUR PLATFORM.

09:09:03 SO THAT REQUIRED YOUR PREREGISTERING.

09:09:07 IF YOU DID NOT PREREGISTER, YOU CAN PARTICIPATE HERE IN

09:09:10 PERSON AT OLD CITY HALL USING COMMUNICATION MEDIA

09:09:14 TECHNOLOGY THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR HERE

09:09:17 AT 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND PLEASE NOTE THAT THE

09:09:20 USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE THE BUILDING

09:09:21 ARE ENCOURAGED.

09:09:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:09:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.

09:09:30 SKIP THROUGH HOUSEKEEPING AND GO THROUGH THE AGENDA IF

09:09:32 YOU WOULD, PLEASE, SIR.

09:09:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU COUNCIL THE

09:09:36 AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM.

09:09:42 IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR

09:09:46 SUBSTITUTIONS THAT COUNCIL IS REQUESTING, PERHAPS

09:09:50 PARTICULAR TO THE CONSENT DOCKET.

09:09:52 ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE PULLED FROM THE

09:09:56 CONSENT DOCKET BESIDES -- I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE

09:10:00 REQUEST THAT WAS MADE FRANKLY BY ME ON ITEM 61 TO HAVE

09:10:03 A SEPARATE VOTE UNDER STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE THAT IS

09:10:07 ADDING A NEW MEETING TO COUNCIL'S CALENDAR.

09:10:10 OTHER THAN THAT NO REQUESTS FOR CONSENT DOCKET, THEN I

09:10:15 AM GOING TO ASK WITH REGARD TO STAFF REPORTS, INTEREST

09:10:18 THERE ANY STAFF REPORTS THAT COUNCIL CAN BE RELEASED

09:10:22 FROM SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPEAR IN PERSON?

09:10:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, LET'S GO THROUGH ITEMS

09:10:28 WITH NO STAFF, NO COUNCILMEMBERS WILL MISS IT.

09:10:33 ANYBODY ON 70 NEEDS TO APPEAR?

09:10:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A -- THERE HAS BEEN A MEMO

09:10:38 ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

09:10:41 IS THERE ANY DESIRE TO HAVE COUNCIL PRESENT -- STAFF

09:10:44 PRESENT FOR NUMBER 70?

09:10:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF

09:10:47 QUESTIONS.

09:10:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S FINE, SIR.

09:10:51 THAT'S FINE.

09:10:55 MR. DINGFELDER, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA SO

09:10:58 GIVE YOU TIME PULL YOUR NOTES OUT TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO

09:11:04 PULL UP ANYTHING IN REFERENCE TO STAFF REPORTS.

09:11:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I STILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS -- THANK

09:11:07 YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:11:11 I STILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO ITEM 44.

09:11:12 SO IF WE COULD --

09:11:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 44?

09:11:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 44.

09:11:19 I WAS HOPING THEY GOT RESOLVED YESTERDAY, BUT THEY

09:11:19 DIDN'T.

09:11:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU REQUESTING, MR. DINGFELDER,

09:11:28 TO THAT PULLED AND STAFF PRESENT FOR DISCUSSION.

09:11:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, PLEASE.

09:11:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 44, OPPORTUNITY ZONES.

09:11:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:11:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 70, SIR.

09:11:39 MR. CITRO WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE PRESENT.

09:11:41 71.

09:11:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MEMO FROM MR. WILL FALK.

09:11:49 IF STAFF NEEDS TO BE PRESENT OR RECEIVE AND FILE.

09:11:50 I SEE NO RESPONSE.

09:11:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 72 AND 73 GO TOGETHER, GENTLEMEN.

09:11:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A -- A RESOLUTION REGARDING

09:12:04 ESTIMATED AMOUNTS OVER THE THRESHOLD TO PUT UNDER STAFF

09:12:04 REPORT.

09:12:06 IS THERE ANYBODY FROM CITY COUNCIL, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER

09:12:09 WHO WISHES TO HAVE STAFF PRESENT TO ADDRESS THOSE OR

09:12:12 MAY THEY BE RELEASED SO COUNCIL WOULD JUST MOVE THE

09:12:15 RESOLUTION?

09:12:18 I SEE NO RESPONSE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:12:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 74.

09:12:21 I BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE.

09:12:26 I SEE IT FOR OCTOBER 28.

09:12:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.

09:12:31 WE CAN TAKE THAT CONTINUANCE UP TO 74 UNLESS COUNCIL

09:12:33 WANTS TO DO IT NOW AND TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA.

09:12:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MOVE 74 TO THE 28TH OF OCTOBER.

09:12:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

09:12:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MADE A MOTION.

09:12:46 MANISCALCO SECONDED.

09:12:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I CHANGE MY MIND OF ITEM 70.

09:12:55 I DO NOT NEED STAFF PRESENT.

09:12:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT COULD BE RECEIVED AND FILED.

09:13:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: RECEIVE AND FILE.

09:13:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RECEIVE AND FILE.

09:13:06 CITRO AND MANISCALCO.

09:13:08 ALL IN FAVOR.

09:13:10 OPPOSED?

09:13:10 MOTION CARRIES.

09:13:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE AGENDA.

09:13:15 ITEM NUMBER 75 IS WHAT WE ARE UP TO, AND I BELIEVE

09:13:19 THERE WAS A REQUEST THERE OF STAFF REGARDING -- I DON'T

09:13:21 KNOW IF THERE WAS A DATE -- I AM SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF

09:13:24 THERE WAS A DATE ATTACHED TO THAT?

09:13:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE IS A REQUEST OF THE ADDEDUM

09:13:32 FROM MISS GRIMES FOR CONTINUANCE.

09:13:35 >> REFERENCED IT ON THE AGENDA FOR JULY 15.

09:13:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S WHERE I SAW IT.

09:13:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN WE DO THAT ONE IN AUGUST?

09:13:45 IF IT IS OKAY?

09:13:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES ON MONITOR?

09:13:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE ASKING FOR JULY 15, BUT I

09:13:55 BELIEVE MR. DINGFELDER IS SUGGESTING PERHAPS AUGUST

09:13:57 INSTEAD OF JULY 15.

09:13:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE NEXT ONE -- THE NEXT REGULAR

09:14:02 MEETING -- FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN AUGUST.

09:14:05 I AM SURE MISS GRIMES --

09:14:08 >>CLERK: THE NEXT REGULAR ONE IS AUGUST 5.

09:14:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH DATE?

09:14:11 >>CLERK: AUGUST 5.

09:14:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AUGUST 5 OKAY, MISS GRIMES.

09:14:21 >>GINA GRIMES: YES, THAT IS FINE.

09:14:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.

09:14:27 OPPOSED.

09:14:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CHIEF TRIPP ON NUMBER 76, MR.

09:14:30 CHAIRMAN.

09:14:31 A REPORT AS WELL.

09:14:34 WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON THAT?

09:14:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT.

09:14:38 I THINK WE TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF -- I DON'T KNOW

09:14:42 IF HE GOT WITH CHIEF TRIPP ABOUT THAT.

09:14:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, MR. CHAIRMAN, DID

09:14:47 YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP UNDER STAFF REPORTS?

09:14:50 AND TO BE ABLE TO, I BELIEVE, DISCUSS IT WITH THE

09:14:52 CHIEF?

09:14:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE

09:14:56 IN REFERENCE TO THAT ITEM.

09:14:58 BUT WE WILL LEAVE IT FOR NOW --

09:15:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME REQUEST YOU THIS, THE CHIEF

09:15:04 THERE AND ULTIMATE GOAL TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE --

09:15:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHE IS.

09:15:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CHIEF CAN GET BACK TO WHAT SHE

09:15:15 NEEDS TO GET BACK TO.

09:15:18 >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOODS MORNING, BARBARA TRIPP, INTERIM

09:15:19 FIRE CHIEF.

09:15:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE REASON I ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE,

09:15:24 I ASKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF FOR AGENDA REVIEW.

09:15:28 I KNOW THIS COUNCIL -- I DIDN'T WANT TO BELABOR THE

09:15:31 COUNCIL WITH A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS YOU CAN'T ANSWER YES

09:15:32 BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL WORK THONG PROJECT.

09:15:36 I WOULD RATHER BE CONTINUED UNTIL WE HAVE CONCLUSIVE

09:15:38 INFORMATION TO WHERE TO GO ON THIS ITEM.

09:15:43 THAT'S WHY I WANT A CONTINUANCE ON THAT ITEM.

09:15:44 >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR.

09:15:45 I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE.

09:15:48 ONCE AGAIN SINCE I ONLY HAVE BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS, I AM

09:15:52 GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO MAKE THE CORRECT

09:15:53 DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

09:15:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT?

09:15:56 ANYBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION?

09:15:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

09:16:01 WHAT DATE ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH, CHIEF?

09:16:02 AUGUST 2?

09:16:04 >>CHIEF TRIPP: SOUNDS GOOD.

09:16:07 IF NOT, I WILL COME BACK WITH MORE ADDITIONAL

09:16:09 INFORMATION.

09:16:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN GIVE US --

09:16:15 >>CHIEF TRIPP: FISCAL YEAR.

09:16:17 OCTOBER 1.

09:16:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST REGULAR MEETING OCTOBER 7.

09:16:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHOULD HAVE THE BUDGET SITUATED AND

09:16:25 GET ANSWERS THEN.

09:16:27 >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR.

09:16:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO OCTOBER 7.

09:16:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY CITRO AND SECOND BY

09:16:35 MIRANDA.

09:16:36 ANY OPPOSED?

09:16:38 THANK YOU, CHIEF.

09:16:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 76 IS DONE.

09:16:43 MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH REGARD TO THE ADDENDUM.

09:16:46 YOU TAKEN ITEM 75.

09:16:50 NUMBER 64, IT IS A REQUEST FROM THE CHAIR THAT THAT

09:16:55 AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 64 FOR SECOND READING BE HEARD

09:16:59 AFTER 9:30 AND HEARD AFTER CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AND OR

09:17:04 PRESENTATIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THAT.

09:17:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.

09:17:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

09:17:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION AND SECOND.

09:17:11 ANY OPPOSED?

09:17:12 MOTION CARRIES.

09:17:15 I BELIEVE MR. CARLSON HAS A COUPLE OF CONFLICTS, MR.

09:17:16 SHELBY.

09:17:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE COULD TAKE THEM UP WHEN WE DO

09:17:25 CONFLICTS WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.

09:17:27 HE CAN DO THAT THEN.

09:17:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO APPROVE THE ADDENDUM AND

09:17:37 THE AGENDA.

09:17:41 MIRANDA AND SECOND.

09:17:42 OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

09:17:47 ITEM NUMBER 1, CEREMONIALS.

09:17:50 >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

09:17:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

09:17:53 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.

09:17:57 WE ARE HERE TO GIVE A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION TO A

09:18:00 VERY SPECIAL CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE, MRS. TIFFANY

09:18:01 KLINE.

09:18:04 YOU KNOW I HAVE HER BIOGRAPHY AND GO THROUGH A

09:18:07 CONTINUED TALK OF ALL OF HER WONDERFUL ACHIEVEMENTS AND

09:18:10 THEY ARE ALL THE JUST MAGNIFICENT ACHIEVEMENTS, BUT I

09:18:12 WILL JUST GO OVER VERY BRIEFLY.

09:18:16 A BOARD CERTIFIED OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH NURSE WITH MORE

09:18:20 THAN 18 YEARS OF OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINE AND SPECIALIZES

09:18:23 IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF FIRST RESPONDERS.

09:18:26 SOMETHING THAT IS VERY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE TO TIFFANY

09:18:29 BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT HER FATHER, CAPTAIN ROBERT

09:18:32 BARNETT, SERVED FOR SO MANY YEARS WITH TAMPA FIRE

09:18:32 RESCUE.

09:18:36 WELL, ABOUT ONE YEAR AGO, TIFFANY'S ROLE WITH THE CITY

09:18:41 OF TAMPA, WHICH WAS SO PIVOTAL OF TAKING CARE OF THE

09:18:44 HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF TAMPA FIRE AND MOVING

09:18:46 FORWARD TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS RADICALLY

09:18:48 TRANSFORMED.

09:18:51 ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DEALING WITH THE

09:18:54 EFFECTS OF THE COVID CRISIS, WHICH WOULD TAKE THE LIVES

09:18:58 BEFORE 600,000 OF OUR FELLOW AMERICANS, PEOPLE LIKE

09:19:03 TIFFANY KLINE AND THE PEOPLE THAT SHE WORKS FOR, OUR

09:19:06 FIRST RESPONDERS, AND PEOPLE SHE WORKS WITH, HER FELLOW

09:19:09 MEDICAL SPECIALISTS AND PROFESSIONALS, SAW THEIR

09:19:13 PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL LIVES RADICALLY CHANGED

09:19:13 OVERNIGHT.

09:19:17 SUDDENLY THEY BECAME FOLKS ON THE FRONT LINE OF THE WAR

09:19:18 AGAINST COVID.

09:19:22 YOU KNOW, AND I THINK -- I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY

09:19:24 THAT WE PROBABLY ALL HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH TIFFANY.

09:19:26 IN FACT IT WAS FUNNY YESTERDAY WHEN I MENTIONED

09:19:29 SOMETHING -- I THINK I WAS TALKING WITH BRANDON ON THE

09:19:32 PHONE OF GIVING A COMMENDATION TO -- AND I STARTED

09:19:33 DESCRIBING IT.

09:19:37 AND MY SON SAID, OH, IS THAT TO TIFFANY THE NURSE.

09:19:40 BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU BECAUSE I CALLED HER SO MANY TIMES

09:19:41 FOR COVID.

09:19:44 I AM A LITTLE OCD AND THERE YOU GO.

09:19:46 TIFFANY WAS ALWAYS THERE FOR ME JUST LIKE WAS ALWAYS

09:19:48 THERE FOR EVERYBODY.

09:19:51 BUT TIFFANY HAD -- HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT COMMENDATIONS

09:19:53 AND AWARDS, ETC.

09:19:56 BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GET TO THE HEART OF IT, WE JUST

09:20:00 HEARD FROM A CATHOLIC PRIEST THIS MORNING AND THINK OF

09:20:01 THE WORK.

09:20:04 AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE IT KNEE AND HER FAMILY ARE

09:20:07 RELIGIOUS AT ALL THE, BUT FOR ME CERTAIN VOCATIONS,

09:20:09 FIRST RESPONDERS ARE ONE OF THEM, POLICE OFFICERS, FIRE

09:20:13 FIGHTERS, THAT WHETHER YOU ARE RELIGIOUS OR NOT, THEY

09:20:13 ARE MINISTRY.

09:20:16 A SECULAR OR RELIGIOUS MINISTRY.

09:20:19 I THINK THAT BEING IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, AS A NURSE IN

09:20:23 PARTICULAR, WHETHER LPN, RN, WHATEVER IT MAY SOMEBODY

09:20:24 ALSO A MINISTRY.

09:20:27 AND TIFFANY'S LIFE REALLY SHOWED THAT.

09:20:30 ALL OF US CONTACTED TIFFANY DURING TIMES OF ANXIETY.

09:20:33 SO MANY CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES CONTACTED HER OUT OF

09:20:37 TIMES OF ANXIETY AND SHE WAS THERE TO COMFORT US, YOU

09:20:37 KNOW.

09:20:39 SHE WAS THERE TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE MOURN AS WELL.

09:20:42 PEOPLE WHO SUSTAINED TREMENDOUS HITS IN LIFE.

09:20:47 TAKE A LOOK AT A LOT OF THE VIRTUE OF SERMON ON THE

09:20:48 MOUNT.

09:20:51 SHE WAS THERE TO CARRY THEM ALL OUT IN HER PROFESSIONAL

09:20:51 ROLE.

09:20:55 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS HERE TO GIVE OUR DEAR FRIEND

09:20:57 TIFFANY KLINE A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION.

09:21:01 SHE IS ALSO HERE WITH MATTHEW, HER HUSBAND, SARAH AND

09:21:06 RENDY, HER DAUGHTERS, AND CAPTAIN ROBERT BARNETT AND WE

09:21:08 HAVE A WHOLE ROOM -- IN FACT IF YOU WERE HERE FOR

09:21:11 TIFFANY, PLEASE STAND UP.

09:21:14 JOE GRECO RAISED HIS HAND.

09:21:15 PLEASE STAND UP.

09:21:17 WE HAVE A WHOLE ROOM HERE AND I KNOW THAT CHIEF JOHN

09:21:18 BENNETT.

09:21:23 I SEE CHIEF DUGAN IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.

09:21:27 INTERIM CHIEF TRIPP, IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.

09:21:31 GO AHEAD.

09:21:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO NICE TO HAVE THE ROOM FILLED FOR

09:21:34 A CHANGE.

09:21:37 THANK YOU FOR COMING.

09:21:41 >> YES, SO ON BEHALF OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, WE WANT TO

09:21:43 THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAS DONE

09:21:45 ESPECIALLY OVER THE YEARS, BUT ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST

09:21:46 YEAR.

09:21:49 YOUR STAFF AND YOU HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB TAKING

09:21:51 CARE OF THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE FRONT LINE, YOU KNOW,

09:21:55 POLICE, FIRE, AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU

09:21:55 HAVE DONE.

09:22:00 >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.

09:22:01 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

09:22:05 GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.

09:22:08 JUST A QUICK FEW THANK YOUS AND RECOGNITION.

09:22:12 FIRST THANK COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR THE COMMENDATION AND

09:22:15 THE COUNCIL SUPPORTING THAT UNANIMOUSLY WELL DESERVED

09:22:20 FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND ALL OF THE SAFETY -- PUBLIC

09:22:21 SAFETY OFFICIALS.

09:22:25 I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND CHIEF TRIPP FOR

09:22:28 CONSULTING WITH TIFFANY DURING THIS GLOBAL PANDEMIC

09:22:33 THAT AFFECTED US AND 4677 BELLY BUTTONS EMPLOYED BY

09:22:37 THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THEIR DEPENDENTS WHO RELY ON OUR

09:22:40 HEALTH CARE SYSTEM FOR CONSULTING AND DIRECTION THROUGH

09:22:43 THAT PANDEMIC AND THE ABILITY TO RETURN TO WORK -- TO

09:22:48 THE WORKPLACE MUCH FASTER THAN A LOT OF OUR OTHER LOCAL

09:22:50 GOVERNMENTS BECAUSE OF ALL THIS TENDER CARE.

09:22:54 I ALSO WANT TO THANK -- YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY TIFFANY'S

09:22:58 GROUP IN OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH, BUT KELLY AUSTIN'S GROUP,

09:23:02 BECAUSE TIFFANY WAS A GREAT CONSULTANT TO KELLY AND ALL

09:23:05 HER RESPONSIBILITIES IN HR AND TOGETHER AS A TEAM, THEY

09:23:08 REALLY DID AN AMAZING JOB GETTING US WHERE WE ARE

09:23:08 TODAY.

09:23:17 THANK YOU AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY WHO SUPPORTS HER.

09:23:21 >> GOOD MORNING, BRIAN DUGAN, CHIEF OF POLICE, TAMPA

09:23:22 POLICE DEPARTMENT.

09:23:23 TIFFANY, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.

09:23:25 I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE JUST HOW IMPORTANT THE

09:23:29 WORK THAT SHE AND HER TEAM DID, GOING BEYOND THE FIRST

09:23:30 RESPONDERS.

09:23:33 YOU KNOW, AS OUR PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WORKING ON THE

09:23:36 STREETS AND POTENTIALLY GETTING EXPOSED TO THE VIERA,

09:23:39 THE ANXIETY THAT CREATED FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FOR

09:23:43 THEM WHETHER THEY ARE TAKING THAT BACK HOME TO THE

09:23:43 FAMILIES.

09:23:49 SOME OF THE PROTOCOLS AND THINGS SHE TAUGHT US, REALLY

09:23:52 IT IS HARD TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ENORMITY OF THE WHOLE

09:23:55 THING AND I WANT TO APPRECIATE.

09:23:58 BECAUSE I THINK THE ANXIETY SHE HELPED REDUCE FOR THE

09:24:01 FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEIR FAMILIES IS REALLY WHAT IS

09:24:02 REALLY IMPORTANT.

09:24:03 I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

09:24:08 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF.

09:24:11 >> JOE GRECO, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS

09:24:14 LOCAL 7544.

09:24:16 TIFFANY KNOW HOW I PERSONALLY THINK OF ALL HER EFFORTS.

09:24:21 HER EMPATHY AND HER KNOWLEDGE AND THE ABILITY TO -- TO

09:24:25 IMMEDIATELY TAKE OVER A SITUATION AND GET ASSISTANCE TO

09:24:29 THE AFFECTED INDIVIDUAL AND FAMILY IS SECOND TO NONE.

09:24:30 HER STAFF IS INCREDIBLE.

09:24:34 AND WE THANK YOU.

09:24:39 >>LUIS VIERA: NOW I FORGET HOW IT GOES, MR. CHAIR.

09:24:40 DOES CITY COUNCIL SPEAK?

09:24:45 WE PRESENT IN WONDERFUL CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION TO

09:24:47 TIFFANY KLINE ON BEHALF OF THE WORK SHE HAS DONE FOR

09:24:49 THE CITY OF TAMPA, FOR HER WONDERFUL SUPPORT OF OUR

09:24:51 FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL THE OF OUR CITY OF TAMPA

09:24:54 PUBLIC SERVANTS.

09:24:56 TIFFANY, IT IS OUR PLEASURE.

09:24:58 WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

09:24:59 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

09:25:15 [APPLAUSE]

09:25:18 >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.

09:25:19 >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:25:20 THANK YOU.

09:25:22 A VERY TOUCHING AND OVERWHELMING MOMENT.

09:25:26 THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR INVITING ME HERE

09:25:26 TODAY.

09:25:27 THANK YOU.

09:25:29 AND GOOD MORNING TO THE CHAIRMAN AND CITY COUNCIL.

09:25:33 I WAS TRULY HONORED WHEN I RECEIVED THE INVITATION FROM

09:25:36 COUNCILMAN VIERA TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT I AM MOST

09:25:39 GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHED A LIGHT ON

09:25:41 THOSE WHO MATTER MOST.

09:25:46 FIRST AND FOREMOST MY FAMILY WHO HAVE BEEN SO PATIENT

09:25:49 AND SUPPORTIVE AND WEATHER THIS PANDEMIC WITH LOVE AND

09:25:49 STRENGTH.

09:25:51 I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU.

09:25:54 MY AMAZING TEAM WHO SERVED WITH DEDICATION AND

09:25:56 COMPASSION.

09:25:59 WE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING THIS PAST YEAR AND THREE

09:26:01 MONTHS WITHOUT THE INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP IN OUR CITY,

09:26:06 OUR MAYOR, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF, OUR FIRE CHIEF BARBARA

09:26:09 TRIPP, OUR CHIEF OF POLICE BRIAN DUGAN, OUR CITY

09:26:12 COUNCIL IN ALL THAT YOU DO AS AMBASSADORS FOR THE

09:26:17 COMMUNITY, AND LEADERS IN EVERY AREA OF THE CITY.

09:26:21 WE WERE A SPOKE IN A WHEEL OF A MUCH GREATER EFFORT OF

09:26:23 ALL OF THE CITY LEADERS COMING TOGETHER IN EACH OF

09:26:24 THEIR AREAS.

09:26:27 MOST SPECIFICALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THE MEN AND

09:26:30 WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

09:26:33 YOU SEE, THEY WERE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

09:26:37 THEY WERE THE ONES ON THE FRONT LINES.

09:26:40 THEY WERE THE FIRE FIGHTERS AND THE OFFICERS AND I WANT

09:26:43 THEM TO KNOW THAT WE HEARD YOU.

09:26:49 THE FIRE FIGHTERS RUNNING CALL AFTER CALL, CUMBERSOME

09:26:55 PPE RENDERING CARE IN DIFFICULT SITUATIONS.

09:26:57 AND FOR TAMPA POLICE OFFICERS, WE HEARD YOU.

09:27:00 MOST DO NOT REALIZE ALL OF THE SCOPE OF YOUR

09:27:00 PROFESSION.

09:27:05 WE HEARD YOU PERFORMING CPR ON ALL HOURS DAY AND NIGHT

09:27:12 OF VICTIMS OF COVID WHO HAVE SUCCUMBED TO THIS VIRUS.

09:27:15 COMFORTING THOSE WHO LOST LOVED ONES, YOU RESPONDED ON

09:27:18 CALLS OF SERVICE WHEN THEY WERE VICTIM OF A VIOLENT

09:27:23 CRIME ONLY LATER TO REVEAL THAT YOU WERE EXPOSED TO

09:27:26 COVID AND YOU, YOURSELF, WILL BECOME ILL.

09:27:29 SEE I AM PROUD DAUGHTER OF A MAN WHO SERVED FIRE

09:27:32 FIGHTER, PARAMEDIC AND CAPTAIN WITH OVER 30 YEARS WITH

09:27:33 THE CITY OF TAMPA.

09:27:37 WHILE I WAS UNABLE AS A CHILD TO PROTECT AND SHIELD HIM

09:27:42 FOR THINGS HE MUST EXPERIENCE, WE, AS A TEAM, MY TEAM,

09:27:46 WILL CONTINUE TO DO OUR BEST TO PROTECT AND HEAL OUR

09:27:49 RESCUERS AND OUR GUARDIANS.

09:27:52 LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I NEED TO SAY THAT I AM MY

09:27:54 MOTHER'S DAUGHTER.

09:27:56 MY MOTHER IS HERE TODAY.

09:28:00 AND ANY THREAT OF GOOD -- THREAD OF GOODNESS THAT

09:28:03 WEAVES THROUGH ME IS A RESULT OF HER.

09:28:04 THANK YOU, MOM.

09:28:06 AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

09:28:06 [APPLAUSE]

09:28:14 MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

09:28:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE

09:28:19 SAID HAS BEEN SAID BUT I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.

09:28:21 YOU HAVE BEEN WITH US ANY TIME OF DAY.

09:28:25 WE MAY HAVE SPOKEN AT 4, 5:00 IN THE MORNING.

09:28:27 THE FIRST TIME.

09:28:29 BUT YOU WERE THERE AND COVID WAS SOMETHING NEW.

09:28:32 WE WERE TAKING IT MINUTE BY MINUTE, HOUR BY HOUR, BUT

09:28:33 YOUR TEAM WAS READY.

09:28:37 YOU WERE RESPONSIVE AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

09:28:41 THANK YOU.

09:28:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:28:46 >> EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

09:28:49 AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT AND THE CARE AND

09:28:51 THANK YOU FOR INSPIRING US WITH YOUR GREAT WORDS.

09:28:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:28:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.

09:28:58 TIFFANY, OUR FIRST MEETING WAS A NICE ONE, BUT I DO

09:29:01 HAVE TO TELL YOU WHEN YOU ASKED ME TO STEP BEHIND THE

09:29:04 TENTS SO SOMEONE CAN VIOLATE MY NASAL PASSAGES WITH A

09:29:08 SWAB, IT WASN'T REALLY NICE, BUT IT WAS FOR A GOOD

09:29:08 CAUSE.

09:29:12 I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A NEW MONIKER.

09:29:15 AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU, NURSE

09:29:21 TIFFANY, YOU ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER TO TAMPA'S FIRST

09:29:23 RESPONDERS.

09:29:25 THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.

09:29:26 >> THANK YOU.

09:29:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:29:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:29:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:29:34 TIFFANY, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I HEARD YOUR

09:29:37 NAME OUT OF JOHN BENNETT'S MOUTH.

09:29:40 IT WAS LIKE TIFFANY IS WORKING ON IT.

09:29:43 TIFFANY HAS GOT IT COVERED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND

09:29:44 THAT MEANS SO MUCH.

09:29:51 I AM SO THRILLED THAT THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT FOLKS

09:29:54 FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE AND RESCUE,

09:29:59 BECAUSE THIS IS A YEAR -- THIS PAST YEAR AND A HALF

09:30:02 THAT NONE OF US WILL EVER FORGET IN OUR ENTIRE

09:30:07 LIFETIMES, AND YOU GUYS WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING

09:30:09 THIS COMMUNITY GET THROUGH IT AND GET THROUGH IT IN A

09:30:11 VERY POSITIVE WAY.

09:30:12 AND WE APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.

09:30:13 THANK YOU.

09:30:15 THANK YOU, TIFFANY.

09:30:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

09:30:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:30:22 29% OF THIS COUNCIL HAD COVID.

09:30:24 THAT MEANS TWO OF US.

09:30:28 I CAN ONLY TELL YOU IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND I AM SURE

09:30:30 CHAIRMAN GUDES FEELS THE SAME WAY.

09:30:33 WOULD YOU CALL US IN THE MORNING, IN THE AFTERNOON AND

09:30:33 AT NIGHT.

09:30:37 AND IT WAS LIKE AN ANGEL TELLING US THAT TAKE YOUR

09:30:39 VITAMIN D 3 AND TAKE YOUR VITAMIN C.

09:30:41 THAT DO YOU THIS.

09:30:42 DID YOU DO THAT.

09:30:44 HECK, I THOUGHT I WAS TALKING TO MY MOTHER.

09:30:44 [LAUGHTER]

09:30:47 BUT MY MOTHER WAS NEVER THAT NICE TO ME.

09:30:49 AND I DESERVED IT.

09:30:52 BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU

09:30:55 DIDN'T HAVE JUST TWO -- YOU HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT

09:30:56 THAT TIME THAT HAD THE COVID.

09:30:59 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR FAMILY AND HUSBAND -- YOU WERE

09:31:02 -- PURPOSE HOME, YOUR BODY WAS THERE BUT YOUR MIND WAS

09:31:05 WORKING WITH THE OTHER HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAD THE

09:31:05 COVID.

09:31:08 I TELL YOU, IT WAS JUST -- I CAN EXPERIENCE THE THINGS

09:31:11 THAT HAPPENED WHEN I FIRST WALKED INTO THE CLINIC THAT

09:31:13 YOU SENT ME TO.

09:31:15 THEY THOUGHT -- THEY MADE ME FEEL LIKE I WAS SOMETHING

09:31:16 IMPORTANT.

09:31:19 RIGHT AWAY, IF I HAVE IT KNEE SENT YOU, BOOM, RIGHT

09:31:20 THERE.

09:31:23 TAMPA GENERAL, TIFFANY SENT YOU.

09:31:23 BOOM, RIGHT THERE.

09:31:25 I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONTACTS YOU HAVE.

09:31:29 IF YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, NOT AGAINST ONE OF US SEVEN

09:31:30 BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO WIN.

09:31:34 THE ATTITUDE AND THE WAY YOU ADDRESS THINGS IS JUST

09:31:35 MARVELOUS.

09:31:38 THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR ALLOWING TO YOU DO WHAT

09:31:38 DO YOU.

09:31:40 GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

09:31:41 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:31:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU KNOW, HE IS REAL

09:31:44 SLICK.

09:31:47 HE BEAT US TO THE PUNCH.

09:31:50 HE ALREADY PLANNED THIS AND BEAT US TO THE PUNCH.

09:31:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: POLITICIAN.

09:31:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEAT US TO THE BUNCH ON THIS DAY.

09:31:58 ALL SERIOUSNESS, LET ME SAY THIS, MR. MIRANDA, WE STILL

09:32:01 KIND OF SHARE IN THE FIELD -- THE SAME KINDS OF

09:32:04 SYMPTOMS BECAUSE OF COVID.

09:32:07 I CAN TELL THE YOU THAT I AM GRATEFUL FOR NURSE TIFFANY

09:32:10 AND SOME FRIENDS THAT KEPT MONITORING ME FOR ME TO BE

09:32:13 HERE TODAY BECAUSE I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE.

09:32:15 I WAS VERY, VERY SICK, FOLKS.

09:32:16 VERY, VERY SICK.

09:32:22 AND I -- I THINK EVERY DAY MY PRAYERS I GET UP THAT I'M

09:32:27 HERE TODAY AND TO SEE SOMEONE GET AN AWARD WHO TOOK

09:32:28 CARE OF A LOT OF SICK PEOPLE.

09:32:32 MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RIGHT, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS SICK AND

09:32:33 THEY SAID I HAD TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL.

09:32:35 I CALLED NURSE TIFFANY.

09:32:37 SHE TOLD ME WHAT HAD TO BE DONE.

09:32:40 I TELL YOU, THEY WERE WAITING ON ME.

09:32:42 THEY WERE WAITING ON ME.

09:32:45 AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED, BUT I PULLED UP

09:32:52 THERE, AND THEY -- AGAIN, I WAS VERY SICK.

09:32:54 PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

09:32:55 IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY DIFFERENT.

09:32:58 AFFECTED MY MOTHER THE SAME TYPE OF.

09:33:01 MR. MIRANDA, I HAD HEART FLUTTERING.

09:33:03 IT IS AMAZING HOW PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE.

09:33:09 BUT I TELL YOU, FAMILY MEMBERS DON'T SEE ANYMORE AND

09:33:10 PEOPLE START TO BELIEVE.

09:33:11 IT IS REAL.

09:33:13 THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND WORK FOR THE CITY AND

09:33:16 THE EMPLOYEES.

09:33:19 CHIEF TRIPP, THANK YOU FOR ENTRUSTING NURSE TIFFANY TO

09:33:25 GET THE JOB DONE, FOR OUR 4,000-PLUS EMPLOYEES.

09:33:27 IT IS TREMENDOUS.

09:33:29 AND NURSE TIFFANY, YOU KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND KEEP

09:33:31 UP THE GOOD FIGHT.

09:33:32 WE NEED YOU.

09:33:37 I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DAY -- IF YOU HEARD THE COUNCIL.

09:33:38 CHIEF TRIPP.

09:33:40 NOT SAYING INTERIM CHIEF.

09:33:45 TO CONFIRM YOUR CONFIRMATION AS THE FIRE CHIEF OF THE

09:33:46 CITY OF TAMPA.

09:33:49 WE ARE PUSHING THE MAYOR TO GET THAT MOVING.

09:33:50 WE BELIEVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED.

09:33:53 YOU HAVE BEEN DOING A HELL OF A JOB SO FAR WITH THE

09:33:53 FIRE DEPARTMENT.

09:33:56 I HEAR A LOT OF GOOD THINGS AND, OF COURSE, WE SEE THE

09:33:56 RESULTS.

09:33:58 GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

09:34:02 NURSE TIFFANY, I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU BEHIND MY SEAT TO

09:34:05 TAKE A PHOTO AT THE SEAL WITH ALL THE CITY COUNCIL.

09:34:07 IF YOU WILL COME AND TAKE PHOTO.

09:34:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I LOOK AROUND, COVID MUST BE

09:34:15 FAVORABLE TO BALD-HEADED PEOPLE.

09:34:19 TWO OF SEVEN ARE BALD AND THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT GOT

09:34:20 IT.

09:34:23 [LAUGHTER]

09:34:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, WILL YOU COME AND JOIN US.

09:34:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE HUMOR.

09:35:29 GUDES MR. DINGFELDER, CAN YOU TAKE THE GAVEL.

09:35:33 I NEED TO GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, PLEASE, SIR.

09:35:43 TAKE ME A SECOND TO GET DOWN THERE.

09:35:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

09:35:48 THANK YOU, AGAIN, EVERYBODY FOR COMING AND JOINING US

09:35:54 TODAY.

09:36:03 WHICH ONE IS THE MOM -- IS THE MOM HERE?

09:36:17 CONGRATULATIONS, MOM.

09:36:40 ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:36:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:36:44 GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, EVERYONE.

09:36:48 I HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF MEETING A TRUE

09:36:49 COMMUNITY SERVANT.

09:36:51 A PERSON WHO SERVED IN OUR MILITARY.

09:36:54 A PERSON WHO IS --

09:36:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HUG THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE

09:36:56 BETTER.

09:36:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GOT IT NOW.

09:37:03 I AM SO GRATEFUL TO INTRODUCE A GENTLEMAN WHOSE CAREER

09:37:07 AND COMMUNITY-ORIENTED IN THE WOODLAND TERRACE AREA.

09:37:09 HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.

09:37:14 I KNOW -- ME AND HIS NEPHEW WORKED TOGETHER IN THE

09:37:16 POLICE DEPARTMENT, MICHAEL COLLINS.

09:37:19 I KNOW WHERE MICHAEL GETS HIS SPIRIT OF GOOD WILL,

09:37:21 COMMUNITY SPIRIT AND SERVICE.

09:37:25 MORE OF A PLEASURE IT OF MEETING SERGEANT MELVIN

09:37:26 COLLINS.

09:37:30 HE REPRESENTS THE BEST OF OUR GREAT NATION, A VIETNAM

09:37:34 VETERAN THAT SERVED OUR COUNTRY AND CONTINUES TO SERVE

09:37:34 OUR COMMUNITY.

09:37:37 AND PATRIOTIC SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY AND CONTINUES TO

09:37:41 SERVE AS A ROLE MODEL IN OUR COMMUNITY AS HE HONORS OUR

09:37:46 FALLEN HEROES BY PLACING FLAGS AT THEIR RESTING PLACE.

09:37:49 ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL COMMUNITY, WE AIR IS THANK YOU.

09:37:53 THE AT THIS CITY COUNCIL IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE MELVIN

09:37:57 COLLINS FOR ACHIEVEMENTS, LIFETIME SERVICE TO TIME,

09:38:00 DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITY ON THE 17TH DAY OF JUNE,

09:38:01 2021.

09:38:04 AGAIN, GENTLEMEN, I HAVE BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS

09:38:08 WITH MR. COLLINS WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS AND GO

09:38:11 OUT THERE AND PLACE THE FLAGS ON THE FALLEN.

09:38:14 AND THE SPIRIT THAT YOU CAN'T GET OR REALLY KNOW OF

09:38:16 UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY DO IT.

09:38:18 YOU HAVE A VISUAL EFFECT ABOUT IT.

09:38:21 YOU SEE THE DATES OF WHEN THOSE FOLKS SERVED.

09:38:25 AND I AM JUST SO GLAD THAT MR. COLLINS PUTS ON THIS

09:38:29 EVENTS EVERY, EVERY YEAR FOR 26 YEARS.

09:38:32 AND I TELL YOU, I AM GOING TO ASK HIM ONE THING BEFORE

09:38:34 I GIVE HIM THIS PLAQUE.

09:38:38 AS I WAS AT THAT EVENT, AND AS I HAVE BEEN SERVING ON

09:38:41 CITY COUNCIL, THESE EAGLE SCOUTS THAT COME BEFORE US.

09:38:47 I ASK MR. COLLINS, BECAUSE HE HAD THE BOY SCOUT TROOPS

09:38:48 AT HIS EVENT.

09:38:51 I SAY DO WE HAVE ANY EAGLE SCOUTS?

09:38:54 I NEVER SEEN ANY AT COUNCIL.

09:38:55 AND DO WE HAVE ANY?

09:39:01 HE INTRODUCED ME TO TWO YOUNG LADIES WHO RUN THE BOY

09:39:03 SCOUTS AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE THREE OF THEM.

09:39:07 MR. COLLINS, I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU COME OVER HERE.

09:39:09 I WILL ASK A FAVOR OF YOU, SIR.

09:39:12 I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU REACH BACK OUT TO THOSE

09:39:12 FOLKS.

09:39:15 I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THOSE THREE NAMES OF THOSE

09:39:15 EAGLE SCOUTS.

09:39:18 I WANT THEM TO COME HERE AND SHOW PEOPLE THAT OUR

09:39:21 COMMUNITY HAS EAGLE SCOUTS AS WELL, AND TO BE ABLE TO

09:39:26 REPRESENT YOU, REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITIES, SO I GIVE YOU

09:39:27 THE PODIUM NOW.

09:39:31 AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, WE THANK YOU

09:39:33 FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR.

09:39:37 >> THANK YOU.

09:39:44 IN STARTING THIS PROGRAM, MOVING UP IN THE VFW, I WAS

09:39:48 CONSTANTLY GOING TO BAY PINES, A LOT OF CEMETERIES AND

09:39:52 I HAPPENED TO DRIVE BY MY NEIGHBORHOOD CEMETERY AND ON

09:39:56 THIS PARTICULAR DAY I ONLY SAW ONE FLAG OF MY

09:39:58 BROTHER-IN-LAW.

09:40:01 I WENT UP AND RESEARCHED AND FOUND OUT AT THAT POINT IN

09:40:02 TIME THERE WERE 1100.

09:40:07 THE CEMETERY OWNER WITH THE FIRST FLAGS.

09:40:16 THIS LAST MONTH, WE POSTED 2500 FLAGS OF OUR LOCAL

09:40:18 RESIDENTS WERE MILITARY.

09:40:23 MANY OF THEM KILLED IN ACTION THAT ARE HERE.

09:40:31 AND FOR THIS REASON, I DON'T WANT US TO BE FORGOTTEN IN

09:40:32 OUR HOME CEMETERIES.

09:40:34 SOMETHING THAT TOUCHED MY HEART.

09:40:37 >> I HAD GENTLEMAN THAT CAME OVER TO VISIT ONE YEAR AND

09:40:40 HE HAS TWO NEIGHBORHOOD CEMETERIES DOING THE SAME THING

09:40:42 WE ARE DOING BECAUSE OF OUR PROGRAM.

09:40:51 SO I WANT TO THANK OUR COUNCIL FOR THIS AWARD, BUT THE

09:40:57 GENTLEMEN BEHIND ME HELPED ME GET THIS DONE.

09:40:58 THANK YOU.

09:41:00 TWO OF THE EAGLE SCOUTS ARE IN COLLEGE.

09:41:01 THERE IS ONE LOCAL.

09:41:05 I WILL GET WITH HIS PARENTS AND GET HIS NAME OVER TO

09:41:05 YOU.

09:41:09 BUT THANK YOU ALL AND GOD BLESS AMERICA.

09:41:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:41:16 SERGEANT -- SERGEANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE

09:41:18 OTHER GENTLEMEN THERE TODAY.

09:41:21 >> YES, GARY ALISON, OUR FIRST COMMANDER WHEN WE STARTED

09:41:28 THE PROGRAM.

09:41:30 WHERE ARE YOU?

09:41:33 OKAY.

09:41:38 WALLACE, UNIT VICE COMMANDER FOR OUR POST.

09:41:49 RODNEY, HE HAS BEEN I THANK THESE GENTLEMEN FOR THEIR

09:41:51 SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION AND ALL THE WORK

09:42:33 WE DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.

09:42:36 >> I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO AND VISIT OUR

09:42:38 CEMETERIES.

09:42:40 OUR NATIONAL CEMETERIES.

09:42:44 BUSHNELL AN HOUR AWAY THE FLORIDA NATIONAL CEMETERY.

09:42:51 ROBERT SAUNDERS, WHO IS A WORLD WAR II VETERAN, NAACP

09:42:54 FIELD SECRETARY FOR 14 YEARS AMONG MANY OTHER FOLKS IS

09:42:55 BURIED THERE.

09:42:59 JUST THIS PAST WEEK, MY SON AND I, WE GO EVERY YEAR, WE

09:43:03 COULDN'T GO IN 2020, BUT WE GO OVER YEAR TO ARLINGTON

09:43:08 NATIONAL CEMETERY TO HONOR OUR VETERANS.

09:43:12 WHEN WE WERE SEVEN A LOT EASIER THAN 14.

09:43:13 HE IS STILL A TEENAGER.

09:43:15 BUT HE STILL DOES IT.

09:43:16 GOD BLESS HIM.

09:43:20 I GO AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE GO AND HONOR OUR VETERANS.

09:43:21 SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.

09:43:27 GO TO ARLINGTON AND GO TO WASHINGTON D.C. IRA HAYES,

09:43:33 SENATOR JOHN GLENN, METGER EVERS, A NORMANDY VETERAN IS

09:43:33 THERE.

09:43:35 SO MANY GREAT.

09:43:43 JOE KENNEDY JR., KENNEDY'S BROTHER WAS THERE.

09:43:45 KILLED IN WORLD WAR II.

09:43:46 AMONG MANY OTHERS.

09:43:51 AN AMERICAN AND SOLEMN THING TO DO.

09:43:54 CHAIRMAN GUDES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU MEN AND WOMEN

09:43:58 FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WE CAN APPRECIATE YOU MORE THAN WE

09:43:59 COULD EVER DO SO.

09:44:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MANISCALCO.

09:44:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE

09:44:07 GENTLEMEN HERE TODAY AND HONORING THEM FOR THEIR

09:44:08 SERVICE.

09:44:13 MY GRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED AS MYRTLE HILL CEMETERY AND

09:44:15 I VISIT EVERY WEEK.

09:44:18 AND I WAS WALKING THROUGH THE SELLER 2RY READING

09:44:21 DIFFERENT NAMES ON THE GRAVES AND I STUMBLED UPON A

09:44:25 YOUNG MAN KILLED IN VIETNAM HERE FROM TAMPA.

09:44:28 I LOOKED HIM UP ON THE INTERNET AND THERE WAS A VIRTUAL

09:44:29 WALL.

09:44:31 A LOT OF INFORMATION, PERSONAL DETAILS.

09:44:32 THEY COME TO LIFE.

09:44:35 IT IS NOT JUST A GRAVE MARKER.

09:44:37 YOU GET TO KNOW THEM WHETHER IT IS FAMILY MEMBERS OR

09:44:40 FRIENDS LEAVING COMMENTS OR WHATNOT.

09:44:45 BUT IT INSPIRED ME TO LOOK FOR OTHER VIETNAM VETERANS

09:44:48 THAT WERE KILLED IN COMBAT IN THOSE CEMETERIES, MYRTLE

09:44:53 HILL, GARDEN OF MEMORIES ACROSS THE STREET AND I WAS

09:44:57 ABLE TO COMPILE 40 DIFFERENT GRAVES AND I FOUND THEM

09:45:01 AND EVERY MEMORIAL DAY I PLACE A FLAG THERE.

09:45:04 SOMETIMES I SHARE THE PHOTOS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND DOING

09:45:06 THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT WITH SIBLINGS, FROM

09:45:09 FRIENDS, PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM FROM HIGH SCHOOL, BUT

09:45:11 ALWAYS REMINDS ME OF A QUOTE AND I STAYED HERE BEFORE

09:45:13 THAT WE DIE TWICE.

09:45:17 ONCE WHEN WE TAKE OUR LAST BREATH AND SECOND WHEN

09:45:19 SOMEONE SAYS OUR NAME FOR THE LAST TIME.

09:45:22 SO BY PLACING THESE FLAGS, BY USING THE POWER OF THE

09:45:25 INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA TO LEARN ABOUT WHO THESE

09:45:29 HEROES WERE, I SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON THOSE KILLED IN

09:45:30 VIETNAM.

09:45:31 IT KEEPS THEM ALIVE.

09:45:33 IT KEEPS THEIR MEMORY ALIVE.

09:45:37 AND NOT ONLY THAT, NEW GENERATIONS GET TO KNOW WHO THEY

09:45:38 ARE.

09:45:41 THEY LEARN ABOUT THESE HEROES EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE

09:45:44 KILLED 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE THE MAJORITY THAT I COME

09:45:48 ACROSS WERE 1967, 1968.

09:45:50 BUT THEIR MEMORY LIVES ON.

09:45:52 WE CONTINUE TO SAY THEIR NAMES.

09:45:55 JUST AS YOU DO, YOU GO TO THEIR GRAVES, YOU GO TO LAY

09:45:58 THEIR FLAGS, AND YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT

09:45:59 FORGOTTEN.

09:46:04 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

09:46:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA.

09:46:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:46:09 SERGEANT COLLINS, THANK YOU.

09:46:13 WHAT YOU HAVE EXPLORED IN YOUR LIFE, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE

09:46:15 IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE.

09:46:19 AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELECTIONS SOMETIMES ARE WON BY

09:46:23 WHAT -- ONE VOTE BECAUSE SOMEBODY DECIDED TO VOTE THAT

09:46:25 MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD HAVE STAYED HOME.

09:46:28 IN YOUR CASE ONE MAN AND ONE FLAG.

09:46:31 AND THAT ONE STICKS WITH ME NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE THAT

09:46:35 IF YOU WANT TO START SOMETHING, IT HAS GOT TO START

09:46:35 WITH SOMEONE.

09:46:38 AND THAT SOMEONE IN THIS CASE WAS YOU.

09:46:41 AND I AM REALLY, REALLY MOVED BY THAT.

09:46:43 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST,

09:46:45 WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TODAY, AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

09:46:46 IN THE FUTURE.

09:46:50 THANK YOU FOR BEING THE INDIVIDUAL THAT YOU ARE, KIND,

09:46:53 THINKING OF THE FUTURE AND THINKING OF MANKIND.

09:46:56 I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.

09:46:56 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:46:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCILMAN CITRO.

09:47:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:47:05 GENTLEMEN, I WILL SAY WHAT I ALWAYS SAY TO ALL SERVICE

09:47:06 PERSONNEL.

09:47:10 THANK YOU FOR MY FREEDOMS, BUT MOST OF ALL, THANK YOU

09:47:13 FOR REMEMBERING THOSE WHO SERVED FOR MY FREEDOMS.

09:47:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GENTLEMEN.

09:47:16 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:47:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON.

09:47:20 >>BILL CARLSON: ECHOING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SAID.

09:47:22 THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND HELP US TO REMEMBER

09:47:24 EVERYONE ELSE WHO SACRIFICED SO MUCH.

09:47:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND CHAIRMAN GUDES, THANK YOU SO

09:47:30 MUCH FOR BRINGING THESE FINE GENTLEMEN IN FRONT OF US.

09:47:35 AND SERGEANT, WE ARE SO HONORED TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY

09:47:39 AND TO GIVE YOU THIS HONOR FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR

09:47:40 COMMUNITY.

09:47:45 ON FATHER'S DAY, THIS COMING SUNDAY, WE WILL BE PUTTING

09:47:50 OUT A STONE AT THE GRAVEYARD FOR MY DAD WHO I LOST A

09:47:51 YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

09:47:55 AND HE PROUDLY SERVED IN THE U.S. ARMY IN THE

09:47:59 ARTILLERY, AND WE ARE PUTTING THAT ON HIS STONE SO

09:48:00 NOBODY WOULD EVER FORGET.

09:48:04 AND I WILL REMEMBER EVERY YEAR TO PUT OUT -- PUT OUT A

09:48:06 FLAG ON THE APPROPRIATE DAY.

09:48:07 BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

09:48:10 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, GENTLEMEN.

09:48:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VICE-CHAIR.

09:48:14 MR. COLLINS THEN HAVE ONE FINAL STATEMENT.

09:48:19 GO AHEAD, SIR.

09:48:22 >> WHEN YOU VISIT THE STATE CAPITOL, WHEN YOU VISITED

09:48:28 CEMETERY ON 301 THE FIRST NAME IS SAM ABRAMS.

09:48:32 SAM ABRAMS WAS A CLASSMATE OF MINE.

09:48:36 THE FIRST NAME YOU SEE ON THE MONUMENT FOR THE STATE OF

09:48:39 FLORIDA IS A TAMPA RESIDENT.

09:48:43 THE FIRST TWO VETERANS KILLED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

09:48:45 ARE IN THAT CEMETERY OUT THERE.

09:48:47 SO I WANT TO THANK YOU.

09:48:50 AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

09:48:51 THANK YOU.

09:48:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VICE-CHAIR.

09:49:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:49:07 GENTLEMEN, WE WILL WAIT MINUTE OR TWO.

09:49:16 I GUESS WE CAN KEEP THINGS MOVING.

09:49:18 IS THE -- ARE THE FOLKS FROM THE URBAN LEAGUE

09:49:25 DOWNSTAIRS TO GIVE THEIR REPORT?

09:49:44 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:49:46 >>LUIS VIERA: HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:49:47 HOW ARE YOU, SIR.

09:49:48 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:49:50 I'M HERE TODAY WITH MR. STANLEY GRAY, WHICH MANY OF US

09:49:54 KNOW IS SUCH A WONDERFUL CIVIC LEADER AND IMPORTANT

09:49:57 VOICE HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA.

09:49:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN STANDING THERE

09:50:00 WITH THOSE VETERANS TOO.

09:50:02 >>LUIS VIERA: AMEN.

09:50:05 A UNITED STATES MARINE THAT COMES FROM A VERY

09:50:06 MILITARY-INVOLVED FAMILY.

09:50:10 MR. GRAY IS HERE AS CAPACITY AS INTERIM EXECUTIVE

09:50:12 DIRECTOR OF THE BRAND-NEW HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TAMPA

09:50:14 AREA URBAN LEAGUE.

09:50:17 MANY OF US KNOW ABOUT THE URBAN LEAGUE AND THEIR

09:50:19 WONDERFUL HISTORY IN THESE UNITED STATES IN TERMS OF

09:50:22 FIGHTING FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE, FOR CIVIL RIGHTS, AS WELL

09:50:25 AS FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

09:50:27 THE URBAN LEAGUE'S MISSION HERE IN THE TAMPA AND

09:50:30 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREA IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY

09:50:36 UNIQUE, TAILORED NOT ONLY ISSUES OF EQUALITY BUT

09:50:36 EQUITY.

09:50:41 MAKING SURE THAT RISING TIDE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUES TO

09:50:45 LIVE AND REACH ALL BOATS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY COME

09:50:48 FROM, REGARDLESS OF WHO THEIR PARENTS ARE, REGARDLESS

09:50:51 THEIR SKIN COLOR, ETC.

09:50:55 WE LOOK AT THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREA, AN AREA THAT

09:50:56 NEEDS AN URBAN LEAGUE.

09:50:59 AREA LIKE EAST TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, THE UNIVERSITY

09:51:00 AREA, ETC.

09:51:03 WE NEED CONTINUED INFLUENCE OF SO MANY OF OUR

09:51:07 HISTORIC CIVIL RIGHTS AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO

09:51:09 ADVOCATE HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA.

09:51:12 I WANTED TO INVITE MR. GRAY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT

09:51:14 THE URBAN LEAGUE AND THE WORK THEY WILL BE DOING IN THE

09:51:14 TAMPA AREA.

09:51:17 SO MR. GRAY, TAKE IT, SIR.

09:51:19 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN VIERA.

09:51:23 ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, OUR 197 MEMBERS,

09:51:27 AND ALL OF OUR CONTRIBUTORS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK,

09:51:30 AGAIN, COUNCILMAN VIERA AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL FOR

09:51:31 HOSTING US TODAY.

09:51:33 PRESIDENT MISSION OF THE URBAN LEAGUE IS TO ASSIST CAN

09:51:36 THE ATTAINMENT OF ECONOMIC EQUITY FOR THE

09:51:37 AFRICAN-AMERICAN MINORITY COMMUNITIES.

09:51:41 AND CAN HE DO THAT THROUGH HANDS UP AND COLLABORATIVE

09:51:42 MEANS.

09:51:46 AND I WOULD RATHER NOT SPEND ALL OF THE TIME YOU HAVE

09:51:48 GIVEN ME TO TALK OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, HOW WE ARE DOING

09:51:49 AND WHAT WE ACHIEVE.

09:51:52 WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNCIL, I KIND OF SEE A PICTURE OF

09:51:54 OPPORTUNITY THAT WE THE URBAN LEAGUE FACE.

09:51:57 AND BY THAT, I MEAN THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT,

09:51:59 OUR MESSAGE AND WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE.

09:52:03 WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNCIL, I SEE A TRUE SNAPSHOT OF

09:52:07 OUR COMMUNITY, PEOPLE WE HAVE CONTACTED THAT TAKEN THE

09:52:10 CHALLENGE AND JOINED US, TAKEN THE CHALLENGE TO USE

09:52:13 THEIR TALENTS TO GUIDE US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO

09:52:16 OBTAIN MEMBERSHIP AND FUNDING AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE

09:52:19 PROMISED TO JOIN BUT HAVEN'T JOINED, AND PEOPLE WHO WE

09:52:22 TALKED TO WHO HAVEN'T EVEN ANSWERED BACK.

09:52:26 I THINK THAT WE ARE IN A VERY CRUCIAL TIME RIGHT NOW.

09:52:28 I THINK IT IS TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES

09:52:31 AT HAND FOR DEVELOPING OUR WORKFORCE, BECAUSE THAT IS

09:52:35 REALLY THE NUMBER ONE WAY TO ACHIEVE ECONOMIC EQUITY TO

09:52:38 BE TRAINED FOR LIVING WAGE JOBS.

09:52:41 WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY -- THE REST OF

09:52:43 MY TIME UP TO THE COUNCIL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR

09:52:46 CONCERNS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

09:52:51 I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

09:52:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON.

09:52:55 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I CAN MAKE A STATEMENT REAL FAST.

09:52:58 I WANT TO THANK YOU, STANLEY, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU

09:52:58 HAVE PUT IN.

09:53:02 WHAT HAS IT BEEN, TWO YEARS AND MORE, AND YOUR OTHER

09:53:05 COLLEAGUES FOR THE EFFORTS YOU PUT IN.

09:53:07 AS YOU KNOW I WAS A VOLUNTEER AT THE PRIOR URBAN LEAGUE

09:53:09 AND IT HAS BEEN VERY MISSED.

09:53:12 A GAP WE NEEDED TO FILL IN THE COMMUNITY AND I THANK

09:53:13 YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

09:53:17 AND HE TWISTED MY ARM THROUGH MY COMPANY TO BE AN EARLY

09:53:21 SPONSOR AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET OTHER PEOPLE TO

09:53:23 SUPPORT THE URBAN LEAGUE AS YOU CONTINUE FORWARD, BUT

09:53:26 OFF GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AND A FANTASTIC AGENDA.

09:53:29 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU AND YOUR TEAM IN

09:53:30 ANY WAY WE CAN.

09:53:31 THANK YOU.

09:53:34 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

09:53:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CITRO.

09:53:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:53:42 I, TOO, HAVE BECOME PART OF THE URBAN LEAGUE THANKS TO

09:53:42 MR. GRAY.

09:53:44 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE A PART.

09:53:48 LAST NIGHT I WAS AT FLORIDA CANE DISTILLERIES WHERE WE

09:53:51 HAD A MAGNIFICENT PARTY FOR THE URBAN LEAGUE.

09:53:54 BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TELL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE

09:54:00 WATCHING TODAY, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS OVER THE NEXT YEAR?

09:54:03 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF -- I GUESS, LET ME TELL YOU

09:54:04 THIS.

09:54:07 FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, I WANTS US AS A COMMUNITY

09:54:13 AND AS A NATION TO QUIT WASTING THE HUMAN CAPITAL

09:54:13 EQUATION.

09:54:16 WE HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WE HAVE SYSTEMIC BARRIERS THAT

09:54:20 PREVENT PEOPLE FROM REACHING THEIR ULTIMATE POTENTIAL.

09:54:22 BY NOT DOING THAT, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE BREEDING

09:54:27 GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNEMPLOYABLE AND YOU CAN

09:54:31 NOT ATTAIN ECONOMIC EQUITY.

09:54:34 THE BURDEN TO TRY TO SUSTAIN THOSE PEOPLE REALLY GOES

09:54:36 ON TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER.

09:54:40 NOW I CAN SIT AND I CAN MODEL FOR YOU AND SHOW YOU WHY

09:54:45 YOUR INVESTMENT, YOUR EARLY INVESTMENT, WHY IT WILL

09:54:50 ACTUALLY DECREASE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TAXES AND FOR

09:54:51 ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.

09:54:54 SO I ALMOST WANT PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THIS IN A VERY

09:54:55 SELFISH MANNER.

09:55:00 YOU KNOW, YOUR GOAL IS TO PAY LESS TAXES, TO SUSTAIN

09:55:03 PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE LIVING WAGE JOBS.

09:55:06 PUT A LITTLE MONEY ON THE FRONT END INTO PROGRAMS AND

09:55:09 TO SERVICES THAT HELP ACHIEVE THAT.

09:55:12 NOW, YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.

09:55:15 IT IS HARD WHEN YOU START GIVING ANALOGIES, OKAY.

09:55:19 BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN ANALOGY WITH THE POPULATION.

09:55:23 ONE OF THE THINGS WE MEASURE CRIME BY IS RECIDIVISM.

09:55:28 NOW LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO WE INCARCERATE AS A JUVENILE

09:55:31 DELINQUENT WHO ONCE THEY ARE IN THE SYSTEM, WE KNOW

09:55:32 WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM.

09:55:34 THAT IS COMPARISON A.

09:55:39 COMPARISON B IS SOMEBODY WHO IN JAIL WAS RECRUITED BY

09:55:43 THE NATION OF ISLAM.

09:55:47 WE ARE COMPARING NOT PHILOSOPHIES, NOT IDEALS, BUT

09:55:48 COMPARING TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS.

09:55:51 WHAT IS THE RECIDIVISM OF SOMEONE WHO JOINS THE NATION

09:55:55 OF ISLAM, I WILL TELL YOU IT IS A VERY LOW NUMBER.

09:55:58 THE REASON WHY, YOU GAVE SOMEBODY HOPE, YOU GAVE THEM

09:56:01 AN ASPIRATION AND YOU GAVE THEM A GOAL AND GAVE THEM

09:56:01 SUPPORT.

09:56:05 WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT FOR OUR POPULATION?

09:56:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GRAY.

09:56:08 WELL SAID.

09:56:09 CONGRATULATIONS.

09:56:11 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:56:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.

09:56:13 ANYBODY ELSE?

09:56:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. GRAY, FOR WHAT YOU

09:56:17 HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WHAT YOU ARE DOING TODAY, WHAT

09:56:20 YOU ARE TAKING ON IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT YOU ARE REALLY

09:56:21 DOING FOREVER.

09:56:23 AND THE WORDS I CAUGHT MOST WERE WORDS WHEN YOU SPOKE

09:56:27 FROM YOUR HEART THAT CAME OUT THROUGH YOUR MOUTH SAYING

09:56:30 THE FACT -- THE FACT IS THAT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE FROM

09:56:34 SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY TO TODAY, TOMORROW

09:56:36 AND TO THE FUTURE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE CHANGE.

09:56:38 YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE IT STARTS

09:56:42 WAY BACK WHEN YOU ARE MUCH YOUNGER THAN YOU AND I.

09:56:47 AND WHEN YOU GIVE SOME YOUNG PERSON AN OPPORTUNITY TO

09:56:50 LEARN, TO FOLLOW A GUIDELINE, THEY BECOME A BETTER

09:56:51 CITIZEN.

09:56:55 AND IF THAT HAPPENS, THEIR KIDS AND THEIR KID'S KIDS.

09:56:59 THAT IS WHO I BELIEVE YOU ARE SPEAKING ON WILL FOLLOW

09:57:01 THE GUIDANCE OF THE PARENTS AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE

09:57:01 MISSING.

09:57:03 I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

09:57:07 I HAD A LOT OF HELP AND PROGRAMS TO GET ME TO WHERE I

09:57:08 AM AT TODAY.

09:57:10 AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR

09:57:12 GIVING THE YOUNG PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE GOT TO CHANGE IT

09:57:14 WHEN THEY ARE REAL YOUNG.

09:57:18 BECAUSE IF NOT, THEY GET USED TO WHAT THEY SEE ON THE

09:57:22 STREET AND THE STREET PERSON ONLY LEARNS IN THE STREET.

09:57:25 AND THE PERSON HAS GUIDANCE CAN GO TO THE PARK AND

09:57:28 LEARN SOMETHING FROM NOT ONLY THE KIDS THAT THEY ARE

09:57:29 PLAYING WITH.

09:57:31 YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW TO WIN AND CERTAINLY BEFORE YOU

09:57:35 LEARN HOW TO WIN, YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW TO LOSE AND GET

09:57:36 BACK UP AND TRY TO WIN.

09:57:38 THAT IS WHERE I THINK THE DIFFICULTIES ARE.

09:57:40 SOME OF US FALL.

09:57:41 YOU KNOW.

09:57:44 DON'T HAVE THE ENCOURAGEMENT TO GET UP AND TRY AGAIN.

09:57:46 YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

09:57:48 YOU MUST CONTINUE TO TRY IF YOU WANT TO SUCCEED.

09:57:50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU AND WHAT YOUR ORGANIZATION

09:57:52 THE URBAN LEAGUE IS DOING.

09:57:53 THANK YOU, SIR.

09:57:55 >> SIR, IF I CAN SAY ONE THING.

09:57:57 THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE, BUT I REALLY THINK THE

09:58:01 CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS TO TRY COLLECTIVELY RAISE THE

09:58:04 LEVEL OF SELF-ACTUALIZATION OF ALL OF OUR PEOPLE IN THE

09:58:05 COMMUNITY.

09:58:07 BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT

09:58:09 PEOPLE JUST CONTINUE ON.

09:58:12 I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES I ACTUALLY ASK THIS QUESTION.

09:58:15 DO OUR PARENTS AND DO OUR GRANDPARENTS WANT BETTER FOR

09:58:18 THEIR GRANDKIDS AND CHILDREN THAN THEY DO THEMSELVES?

09:58:21 BY ACTION, A LOT OF TIMES I REALLY QUESTION THAT

09:58:26 BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF SELF-ACTUALIZATION HAS DIPPED SO

09:58:28 LOW.

09:58:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU.

09:58:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STANLEY, I WILL SAY FEW WORDS AND

09:58:36 PASS IT BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN WHO JUST REJOINED US.

09:58:39 I THINK WHEN YOU AND I MET, I THINK IT WAS A LONG TIME

09:58:43 AGO, I THINK I WAS EITHER TEACHING SCHOOL OR FINISHING

09:58:46 TEACHING SCHOOL AT BOOKER T. WASHINGTON IN YBOR CITY

09:58:49 AND I WENT DOWN ROBINSON HIGH.

09:58:52 BETWEEN THAT AND MY PUBLIC DEFENDER EXPERIENCES OVER

09:58:56 THE YEARS, ALL VERY EYE OPENING TO ME.

09:58:59 AND VERY VALUABLE EXPERIENCES, BECAUSE IT HAS GIVEN ME

09:59:03 A LEVEL OF EMPATHY TO KNOW THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME VERY

09:59:08 BIG ISSUES IN THIS CITY.

09:59:12 AND ISSUES THAT I KNOW THIS COUNCIL AND OUR MAYOR ARE

09:59:15 TRYING TO ADDRESS ON A DAILY BASIS.

09:59:16 BUT WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE.

09:59:20 AND I SO ADMIRE AND APPRECIATE YOU, STANLEY, FOR

09:59:22 JUMPING -- JUMPING BACK IN WHEN YOU COULD HAVE BEEN

09:59:27 ENJOYING YOUR RETIREMENT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, BUT YOU

09:59:29 JUMP BACK IN WHEN YOU SEE A VOID.

09:59:34 AND WE APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY OFF THIS REVITALIZED AND

09:59:36 REINVIGORATED THE TAMPA URBAN LEAGUE.

09:59:40 STANLEY, TELL FOLKS WHAT YOUR WEB SITE IS SO THEY CAN

09:59:42 REACH OUT TO YOU IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY CAN.

09:59:45 >> PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LOOK UP INFORMATION ABOUT US.

09:59:50 WWW.ULHC.ORG.

09:59:59 AGAIN, WWW.ULHC.ORG.

10:00:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:00:02 MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:00:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID HEAR THE COMMENTS.

10:00:07 I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH MR. GRAY AND OTHER FOLKS WITH

10:00:07 THE URBAN LEAGUE.

10:00:11 I THINK IT IS -- I THINK HE HAS THE RIGHT PATH.

10:00:14 HE IS GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.

10:00:16 PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED.

10:00:18 PEOPLE WHO CAN RAISE DOLLARS.

10:00:19 IT IS ALWAYS KEY.

10:00:23 I THINK FOR ME WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT MR. GRAY IS TALK.

10:00:25 IT IS EMPOWERMENT.

10:00:27 IT IS EMPOWERMENT.

10:00:30 WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

10:00:34 EMPOWERMENT AND WORKING TOGETHER MAKE US A MUCH

10:00:35 STRONGER COMMUNITY.

10:00:38 HELP THE ORGANIZATION THRIVE WHEN WE ARE IN POWER.

10:00:40 MR. GRAY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND YOU ARE

10:00:44 WORKING HARD TO MAKE US ONE OF THE BEST URBAN LEAGUE IN

10:00:45 THE COUNTRY.

10:00:46 THANK YOU.

10:00:48 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

10:00:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:00:50 HAS EVERYBODY GONE AND TALKED.

10:00:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK SO.

10:00:56 MR. CHAIRMAN -- MR. GRAY, WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.

10:00:56 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

10:01:01 [APPLAUSE]

10:01:03 MR. CHAIRMAN, THE HELM IS YOURS.

10:01:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, GENTLEMEN.

10:01:10 WE ARE GOING TO GO -- NUMBER FOUR, I AM SORRY.

10:01:13 MISS FOXX-KNOWLES.

10:01:17 ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

10:01:22 >> GOOD MORNING, SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK.

10:01:25 I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT EXPRESSING AN INTEREST OF

10:01:32 BEING APPOINTED TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.

10:01:39 MISS OONA RUTH JOHNSEN.

10:01:44 >> HI, JUST WANTED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU TO SHOW MY

10:01:48 INTEREST IN THE VRB POSITION, VOLUNTEER POSITION.

10:01:52 I AM A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH ABOUT 20 YEARS IN THE

10:01:53 PROFESSION.

10:01:57 I AM LICENSED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND CALIFORNIA.

10:02:03 I SPECIALIZE IN PUBLIC PROJECTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE

10:02:06 SPACES, PARKS AND PLAZAS.

10:02:09 I AM HAPPY TO DO WHAT I CAN FOR MY COMMUNITY.

10:02:13 I SERVE ON THE MPO LIVABLE ROADWAY COMMITTEE.

10:02:18 I ALSO AM ON THE U.S. GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL WOMEN AND

10:02:19 GREENS HOST COMMITTEE.

10:02:25 AND LASTLY, I ALSO ON THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP

10:02:27 URBAN DESIGN COMMITTEE AS WELL.

10:02:29 SO I DO WHAT I CAN.

10:02:30 THANK YOU.

10:02:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:02:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I READ THE APPLICATION, MR.

10:02:42 CHAIRMAN, IF IT IS FINE WITH YOU, I MOVE THE APPOINTEE.

10:02:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

10:02:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MIRANDA.

10:02:50 SECOND BY MANISCALCO.

10:02:53 ROLL CALL VOTE.

10:02:54 CLERK?

10:02:56 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

10:02:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

10:03:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:03:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AS PART OF THE LIVABLE ROADWAY AND

10:03:08 HAVING HEARD MISS JENSEN FOR MONTHS NOW, I KNOW SHE

10:03:11 WILL MAKE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE VRB.

10:03:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YES.

10:03:16 >>CLERK: VIERA?

10:03:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

10:03:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:03:23 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT

10:03:25 AT VOTE.

10:03:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, AND CONGRATULATIONS.

10:03:29 >> THANK YOU.

10:03:31 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:03:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW I AM ALWAYS

10:03:34 TRANSPARENT.

10:03:38 THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED THAT THERE WOULD

10:03:40 BE A PRESS CONFERENCE AT 10:00.

10:03:41 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.

10:03:45 THE MAYOR IS HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE WITH THE NAACP

10:03:49 PRESIDENT AND NOT REGARDING ANY ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA.

10:03:52 IT IS REGARDING ANOTHER ITEM WHICH IS WITH OUR

10:03:54 CEMETERIES AND I WENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS GOING TO

10:03:57 HAPPEN AS A PRESS CONFERENCE, I WAS GOING TO STOP OUR

10:03:59 MEETING TO LISTEN TO THAT PRESS CONFERENCE BUT

10:04:02 APPARENTLY THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

10:04:07 APPARENTLY IT IS REFERENCE TO THE CEMETERY.

10:04:09 SO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT I RECEIVED FROM THE

10:04:15 COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR JANELLE MCGREGOR.

10:04:16 WE WILL PROCEED.

10:04:17 GENERAL PUBLIC.

10:04:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FUNNY COINCIDENCE.

10:04:22 AFTER HAVING READ ALL THE ARTICLES IN THE PAPER ABOUT

10:04:27 THE FORMER COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY WHICH NOW APPARENTLY

10:04:33 MIGHT BE HIDDEN AWAY UNDERNEATH CONCRETE I WAS ACTUALLY

10:04:36 GOING TO MAKE A MOTION -- I STILL MIGHT MAKE A MOTION

10:04:38 FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT BACK US TO WHAT THE

10:04:42 CITY CAN AND WILL BE DOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

10:04:45 AND I AM NOT SAYING -- I AM NOT SAYING THE CITY IS HERE

10:04:49 TO FIX EVERY POSSIBLE PROBLEM IN HISTORY, BUT IN THIS

10:04:53 CASE, IF YOU BELIEVE THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, WHICH I DO,

10:04:58 IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY WAS POTENTIALLY COMPLICITY IN

10:05:00 THIS -- IN THIS ISSUE.

10:05:04 WHICH MEANS THAT WE NEED TO STEP UP AND I AM SURE SHAH

10:05:07 IS WHAT IS HAPPENING OUTSIDE AT THIS PRESS CONFERENCE,

10:05:17 AT LEAST I HOPE SO THAT THE MAYOR AND STATE LEGISLATURE

10:05:19 IS STEPPING UP AND ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.

10:05:23 WE NEED TO GET TO THE ROOT OF IT AND FIND OUT WHAT

10:05:36 HAPPENED TO THESE FOLKS AND WHERE WE ARE GUDES AID

10:05:40 MEETING AND THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THE CEMETERIES.

10:05:43 JOHN BENNETT SAID SHE IS THE FOCAL POINT ON THE

10:05:47 CEMETERY ISSUES AND WHEN THESE ISSUES COME UP HOW THEY

10:05:48 WILL ATTACK THESE SITUATIONS.

10:05:51 SO WE SHOULD BE HEARING SOMETHING IN BACK WITH

10:05:54 REFERENCE TO THAT PARTICULAR CEMETERY AND THE PLAN THEY

10:05:58 WILL PUT FORTH FOR ALL THE CEMETERIES IN THE CITY IF

10:05:59 SOMETHING COMES UP.

10:06:01 THEY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND HOPEFULLY WILL GET

10:06:02 INFORMATION SOON.

10:06:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GREAT.

10:06:03 THANK YOU.

10:06:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:06:11 WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SPEAKERS DOWNSTAIRS IN REFERENCE TO

10:06:13 ITEM 64.

10:06:17 I AM GOING TO ASK ANYONE THAT IS MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT

10:06:21 TODAY ON ITEM 64 WAIT UNTIL THAT ITEM IS RAISED AND

10:06:23 THEY CAN SPEAK TO THE ISSUE THEN.

10:06:27 IF ANYONE ELSE HAS JUST REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:06:29 THEY CAN SPEAK WHEN I OPEN IT UP.

10:06:33 IF YOU WERE SPEAKING ON ITEM 64, WAIT UNTIL ITEM 64 IS

10:06:34 CALLED.

10:06:37 I AM ASKING ALL COUNCILMEMBERS DO NOT AT THIS POINT IN

10:06:40 JUNCTURE ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF ANYBODY.

10:06:43 WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS FINISHED AND

10:06:45 ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULD FOR TIME

10:06:47 CONSTRAINT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG DAY AND

10:06:50 MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING IN AND EVERYBODY CAN SPEAK.

10:06:53 ALSO, I AM GOING TO STICK TO THE THREE MINUTE.

10:06:58 NOT GIVE ANYONE ANY EXTRA TIME.

10:07:01 THREE MINUTES AND WE WILL CUT YOU OFF AND THEN MOVE

10:07:01 FORWARD.

10:07:04 COUNCILMEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS YOU CAN

10:07:08 RESPOND AFTER ALL THE COMMENTS.

10:07:09 CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:07:13 >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE DOING 64 AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:07:15 WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM WAIT ALL DAY.

10:07:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

10:07:17 WE WILL DO IT FIRST.

10:07:18 YES, SIR.

10:07:21 WE WILL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:07:28 DOWNSTAIRS, SECOND FLOOR.

10:07:46 AGAIN, IF YOU ARE SPEAKING ON ITEM 64 WILL BE HELD

10:07:49 UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT.

10:07:50 >> HI.

10:07:54 MY NAME IS ERIKA LEIPERTZ.

10:07:55 1037 MILWAUKEE AVENUE.

10:07:57 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

10:08:00 ALL KNOW I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, I AM

10:08:03 A STUDENT IN THE PUBLIC POLICY ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM

10:08:06 AT ST. PETERSBURG COLLEGE, SO I HAVE TAKEN A VESTED

10:08:11 INTEREST IN ITEM 5, THE AMENDMENT OF-71 REGARDING

10:08:13 INTERNAL AUDITS.

10:08:17 NOVEMBER 18, 2016 IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, THE

10:08:22 CONSTITUENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA VOTED TO REQUEST THE

10:08:27 CITY AUDITOR TO PERFORM ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDIT PRIOR

10:08:29 TO THE BEGINNING OF EACH FISCAL YEAR.

10:08:31 I BELIEVE IT IS NECESSARY TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE BASED

10:08:34 ON VOTERS CHOICE BUT CAPACITY LIMITATIONS WHEN DEALING

10:08:39 WITH THE INTERNAL AUDIT PROCESS THAT THE PUBLIC MAY NOT

10:08:41 BE AWARE OF.

10:08:43 SINCE THIS AMENDMENT WILL NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF

10:08:48 INTERNAL AUDITS EACH YEAR AND INSTEAD DECISIONS ON

10:08:51 WHICH ETERNAL AUDITS.

10:08:53 MY RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE

10:08:56 AMENDMENT SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES A SPECIFIC

10:08:59 PERCENTAGE OF ADDITIONAL AUDITS THAT MAY BE ADDED OR A

10:09:04 SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT CITY COUNCIL MAY REQUEST AFTER THE

10:09:07 ANNUAL ALTERNATIVE WORK PLAN IS PROPOSED VERSUS

10:09:10 INDICATING THE LANGUAGE THERE SHOULD JUST BE CAPACITY

10:09:13 LIMITATIONS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

10:09:14 THANK YOU.

10:09:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:09:47 >> SOVEREIGN DESPOT KING, HOLDING JOHNNY B. HALL, UNIFORM, 1-308.

10:09:50 WORLDWIDE GOVERNING BODY.

10:09:54 I HAVE BEEN WATCHING, KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS.

10:10:00 I SEE THAT SOME OF YOU GOVERNMENTS ARE STILL REFUSING

10:10:03 TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PEOPLE.

10:10:06 AND REALLY LET THEM KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

10:10:07 MOST OF YOU PEOPLE ARE LOST.

10:10:09 THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR HISTORIES.

10:10:11 THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

10:10:15 FIGHTING OVER NOTHING.

10:10:18 AND COVID CAME IN DOING A LITTLE SPIN.

10:10:21 BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACTS THAT WHAT HAS TAKEN

10:10:24 PLACE.

10:10:28 RELIGION ON THE SCENE IS TRYING TO KEEP A HEAVY FOOT

10:10:30 BUT DOESN'T WANT TO COME OUT WITH ANY TRUTH BECAUSE

10:10:34 RELIGION IS AFRAID OF LOSING MONEY, CONGREGATION,

10:10:37 HOUSES AND STUFF TO WHICH THEY STOLE FROM THEIR PEOPLE

10:10:41 ANYWAYS.

10:10:44 AS FAR AS THIS THING GOES, EVERYONE IS GETTING THEIR

10:10:46 STIMULUS CHECKS AND ALL OF THIS.

10:10:50 SPEND YOUR STIMULUS CHECKS WISELY.

10:10:53 A CATCH-22 WITH THOSE STIMULUS CHECKS, YOU KNOW.

10:10:56 IT IS NOT FREE.

10:11:05 YES, THEY GOT A LITTLE HIDDEN AGENDAS BEHIND THEM.

10:11:07 TWO GOVERNMENTS OPERATING RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED

10:11:08 STATES.

10:11:09 YOU HAVE A FREE GOVERNMENT.

10:11:12 AND YOU HAVE A WORKING GOVERNMENT, A GOVERNMENT FOR

10:11:15 WORKERS, SERVANTS.

10:11:17 THESE TWO GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG

10:11:21 TIME, BUT ONLY ONE HAS BEEN SPEAKING, WHICH IS CALLED A

10:11:25 COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENT, A SUB GOVERNMENT, WHICH ISN'T

10:11:30 REALLY GOVERNING THE PEOPLE, IT IS JUST GOVERNING JOBS

10:11:37 AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOUR FINANCES.

10:11:38 DEBTORSHIP.

10:11:40 DEBT.

10:11:44 THE DEBT IS STILL IN PLACE.

10:11:47 NOW THAT DEBT DOESN'T BELONG TO EVERYBODY.

10:11:52 IT ONLY BELONGS TO THOSE WHO STAY IN THE FALSEHOOD, WHO

10:12:01 DON'T COME UP OUT OF THE FALSEHOOD.

10:12:08 NOW NEIGHBORHOODS, CITIES, YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE

10:12:10 FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES.

10:12:12 INSTEAD YOU ARE FIGHTING EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU DON'T

10:12:13 KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

10:12:17 SOME OF YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE YOU

10:12:20 WERE TAUGHT A FALSE HISTORY, YOU WERE TAUGHT A FALSE

10:12:23 EDUCATION IN ORDER TO KEEP NEW LINE, IN ORDER TO KEEP

10:12:25 YOU WORKING, MOVING ALONG.

10:12:31 IT'S TIME TO REBUILD AS YOU LIKE TO SAY REVELATION.

10:12:36 REVEAL THINGS THAT THAT HAVE BEEN HIDDEN.

10:12:39 THIS AIN'T THE TIME TO KEEP HIDING STUFF FROM PEOPLE.

10:12:41 THE MONEY DOESN'T MATTER REALLY BECAUSE IT IS NOT REAL,

10:12:46 IT IS SOMETHING THAT KEEP THE PEOPLE CHASING AND

10:12:50 RUNNING.

10:12:58 YOU GUYS NOW HAVE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT

10:12:59 KAMALA HARRIS.

10:13:04 ALL RIGHT, THAT IS Y'ALL'S COMMERCIAL LEADER BUT NOT

10:13:06 YOUR HEAD OF AMERICA.

10:13:09 THAT IS JUST THERE FOR THE WORKERS.

10:13:14 AMERICA GOT MANY LEADERS THAT HAVE NOT SPOKEN UP.

10:13:17 FOR REAL LEADERS.

10:13:19 COMMERCIAL LEADERS ARE THERE FOR THE WORKERS.

10:13:22 WE NEED TO REALLY JUST COME OUT ON THE SCENE AND START

10:13:25 REALLY SPEAKING AND DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE

10:13:27 DOING ON THE SCENE.

10:13:34 THE COMMERCIAL PART, THEY HANDLE THE WORKERS.

10:13:38 THE SAME THING IS GOING ON IN EVERY COUNTRY EVERYWHERE.

10:13:43 IT MAY NOT BE -- THEY MAY NOT SPEAK IT OR VERBALIZE IT.

10:13:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:14:15 THANK YOU.

10:14:17 >> UHURU.

10:14:19 MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.

10:14:22 WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED TO BE THINKING OF WHAT WE ARE

10:14:22 DOING.

10:14:26 AT THE CLUB PARTYING, IF WE ARE OUTSIDE, HAVING FUN

10:14:30 FAMILY REUNION, PICNIC, SHOULD BE THINKING OF OUR

10:14:32 UHURU.

10:14:34 THAT IS WHAT THAT WORD MEANS.

10:14:36 I WANT TO GIVE YOU A PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF HOW I DEAL

10:14:37 WITH MY KIDS.

10:14:39 I GOT LOTS OF CHILDREN.

10:14:43 I PROMISED THEM NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT AROUND OUR

10:14:43 HOUSE.

10:14:44 NONE WHATSOEVER.

10:14:46 NO VIOLENCE AROUND OUR HOUSE.

10:14:47 NONE WHATSOEVER.

10:14:49 ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NONE.

10:14:53 AND ANY TIME THEY GET OUT OF LINE AND I CATCH THEM AND

10:14:57 PUT THAT BELT ON THEM, THEY LIKE, I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE

10:15:01 NEVER -- I SAID, YEAH, BUT WITH THAT PLEDGE I MADE, YOU

10:15:03 HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO DO GOOD.

10:15:04 YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT.

10:15:06 I AM GOING TO REPRESENT WHAT I SAY.

10:15:08 NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT.

10:15:11 AND YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT YOUR LEVEL OF EXPECTATION IN

10:15:12 SOCIETY.

10:15:16 AND WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS ORLANDO GUDES, IT IS TIME FOR

10:15:17 YOU TO RESIGN.

10:15:21 IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO RESIGN THIS POSITION.

10:15:21 YEAH.

10:15:24 IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO SAY GOODBYE TO DISTRICT 5.

10:15:26 STRAIGHT UP.

10:15:27 AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHY.

10:15:31 WE CANNOT HAVE POLITICIANS ANYMORE THAT DON'T REPRESENT

10:15:33 THE INTEREST OF AFRICAN PEOPLE.

10:15:36 1863, ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS TALKING ABOUT EMANCIPATION

10:15:40 PROCLAMATION AND IN 1865, GENERAL SHERMAN WAS TALKING

10:15:42 OF 40 ACRES AND A MULE.

10:15:45 IN 1865, TALKING OF JUNETEENTH AND FREEDOM FOR

10:15:50 AFRICANS, AND IN 1921, WE ARE AROUND HERE AS BLACK

10:15:53 PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PARK.

10:15:54 IF THEY ARE GOING TO REBUILD SOMETHING.

10:15:55 DO THIS.

10:15:58 IF WE GOT A PLACE TO LIVE, WHATSOEVER.

10:16:00 WE ARE WAY PAST 40 ACRES AND A MULE.

10:16:04 OUR BLACK POLITICIANS HAVE TO TALK OF REPARATIONS.

10:16:08 OUR BLACK POLITICIANS HAVE TO TALK OF POLICE VIOLENCE.

10:16:12 OUR BLACK POLITICIANS CAN'T TALK OF COMPROMISE AND

10:16:17 GIVING THE MAYOR AND THROWING NAACP OFF IN A DIFFERENT

10:16:19 DIRECTION AND COMPROMISES AND WHATNOT.

10:16:20 BLACK PEOPLE DON'T NEED THAT.

10:16:23 STATE OF TEXAS LAST NIGHT THE GOVERNOR SAID EVERYBODY

10:16:25 CAN CARRY A GUN.

10:16:26 ANYBODY CAN OWN A WEAPON.

10:16:30 IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, Y'ALL CAN'T THROW BICYCLE

10:16:30 STOPS.

10:16:33 OUR REPRESENTATIVES CAN'T THROW A BICYCLE STOPS OFF OUR

10:16:35 TEENAGERS AND ADULTS.

10:16:38 SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE.

10:16:40 BLACK PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO BE SUFFERING, SUFFERING,

10:16:43 SUFFERING, SUFFERING, 600 YEARS, 621 YEARS OF

10:16:44 SUFFERING.

10:16:47 OUR AFRICAN PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

10:16:49 I DON'T NEED TO BE AN ADULT MAN AND SUFFERING EVERY

10:16:50 DAY.

10:16:50 NO.

10:16:52 IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.

10:16:53 A REAL CHANGE.

10:16:54 NOT THE OBAMA CHANGE.

10:16:58 TIME FOR THE MALCOLM X, FRED HAMPTON AND BLACK PANTHER

10:17:01 PARTY FOR BLACK PEOPLE.

10:17:05 CAN'T BURN ROSEWOOD, BLACK WALL STREET, CENTRAL PARK

10:17:08 VILLAGE AND ALL THAT AND SAY WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING --

10:17:11 HISTORIC HOUSE FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT.

10:17:13 NO, WE NEED REAL SOLUTIONS.

10:17:14 WE NEED REAL CHANGES.

10:17:17 WE NEED REAL POWER IN OUR HAND AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.

10:17:22 WE ARE 26% OF THIS POPULATION.

10:17:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEIR MR. MENTESNOT.

10:17:30 THANK YOU FOR COMING.

10:17:40 THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

10:17:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:17:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

10:17:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

10:17:49 I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WOULD PREFER ME NOT TO SAY

10:17:54 ANYTHING, BUT I WILL RESPOND TO THAT LAST SPEAKER.

10:17:59 LET ME JUST SAY THAT I HAVE WORKED SITTING IN THIS

10:18:06 CHAIR WITH A VARIETY OF COUNCILMEN AND COUNCIL WOMEN

10:18:09 WHO REPRESENT YOUR DISTRICT IN EAST TAMPA.

10:18:11 AND THEY ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE.

10:18:15 THEY HAVE ALL WORKED HARD, BUT I NEVER WORKED WITH

10:18:18 ANYBODY WHO HAS WORKED HARDER FOR YOUR DISTRICT, MR.

10:18:19 CHAIRMAN, THAN YOU HAVE.

10:18:21 OKAY.

10:18:22 YOU ARE -- YOU ARE OUT THERE.

10:18:24 YOU ARE WORKING ON THE STREETS.

10:18:25 YOU ARE WORKING IT HERE.

10:18:28 YOU ARE WORKING IT ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE MAYOR.

10:18:31 YOU ARE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HELP THE FOLKS OF

10:18:35 YOUR DISTRICT AND THIS ENTIRE CITY EVERY DAY OF THE

10:18:37 WEEK, 24-7.

10:18:40 AND I -- AND IT IS MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE WITH

10:18:41 YOU.

10:18:45 AND WHILE I MIGHT AGREE WITH SOME THINGS THAT THE

10:18:48 GENTLEMAN SAYS SOMETIMES, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT

10:18:49 STATEMENT.

10:18:52 AND I JUST NEEDED TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST.

10:18:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:18:55 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:18:58 YOU CAN CONTINUE, SIR.

10:18:59 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:19:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MORNING.

10:19:02 >> ERIC COX.

10:19:03 I AM A HOMELESS SENIOR CITIZEN.

10:19:05 I HAVE BEEN A HARD WORKER ALL MY LIFE.

10:19:06 I PAID MY TAXES.

10:19:09 AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE HOMELESS

10:19:10 FOR THE DISABLED.

10:19:14 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THAT.

10:19:16 I HAD SEVERAL DOORS CLOSED IN MY FACE.

10:19:19 I AM TRYING TO GET A HOUSE -- AN APARTMENT OR SOMETHING

10:19:20 FOR MYSELF.

10:19:23 I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE ISSUE?

10:19:25 WHY IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THIS?

10:19:26 THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE.

10:19:27 I DON'T DRINK.

10:19:30 I DON'T DO DRUGS AND WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR ME A BLACK

10:19:32 MAN WHO LIFT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

10:19:34 BORN AND RAISED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TO GET HOUSING.

10:19:36 WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THAT?

10:19:37 WHY IS IT SO HARD?

10:19:40 WHY CAN'T WE OPEN UP DOORS AND NOT MAKE IT SO HARD FOR

10:19:42 PEOPLE MY AGE, PEOPLE MY COLOR.

10:19:45 NOT EVEN MY COLOR, OTHER RACES THAT ARE FACING THE SAME

10:19:45 THING.

10:19:49 THIS ISSUE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED THE AND NOT JUST PUT

10:19:52 BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND SAY WE WILL ADDRESS THAT SOME

10:19:52 OTHER TIME.

10:19:55 THIS ISSUE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW AND HAS TO BE

10:20:01 ADDRESSED WITH DILIGENCE.

10:20:02 CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME AN ANSWER?

10:20:04 CAN SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND?

10:20:07 AND DON'T JUST PUT ME ON THE SIDE AND SAY WE WILL

10:20:09 ADDRESS IT LATER.

10:20:11 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS,

10:20:12 PLEASE.

10:20:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU WANT ME TO

10:20:14 ADDRESS.

10:20:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RESPOND TO THE GENTLEMAN.

10:20:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL

10:20:19 ATTORNEY.

10:20:22 GENERALLY SPEAKING QUESTIONS ARE NOT ENTERTAINED AT

10:20:22 THIS POINT.

10:20:25 I SUSPECT SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF WILL BE

10:20:27 THERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT.

10:20:31 YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK -- MAKE YOUR

10:20:34 STATEMENT AND PERHAPS THE COUNCILMEMBERS WILL REACH OUT

10:20:37 OR SHOULD REACH OUT IF THAT IS THEIR CHOICE.

10:20:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SONYA IS DOWN AND WILL GIVE MY CARD,

10:20:42 MR. SHELBY.

10:20:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO ANSWER

10:20:48 QUESTIONS, BUT A RULE THAT SAYS THAT CITY COUNCILS

10:20:51 SHOULD BE REFRAIN TO ENGAGE A SPEAKER IN DIALOGUE

10:20:54 DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:20:56 THEY ARE THERE TO LISTEN TO YOU AND HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE

10:20:58 TO SAY AND THAT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

10:21:00 THANK YOU AND SOMEBODY WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THE

10:21:01 SECOND FLOOR.

10:21:02 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:21:03 HAVE A GOOD DAY.

10:21:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

10:21:11 WE APPRECIATE YOU.

10:21:32 ANY MORE SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

10:21:35 >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK GOD FOR ME BEING HERE.

10:21:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME.

10:21:39 >> MELVIN LEE HICKS.

10:21:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:21:44 >> I WANT TO THANK GOD FOR ME BEING HERE.

10:21:47 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL PEOPLE.

10:21:48 I DON'T WANT TO SEE MYSELF.

10:21:49 ALL RIGHT.

10:21:54 I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS TO RESIGN, EVEN

10:21:57 THE CITY -- THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

10:22:01 AND I THINK Y'ALL IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE STATE AND

10:22:05 FEDERAL LAW BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ME.

10:22:12 Y'ALL HAVE NO COMPETENCY OF RUNNING A DISTRICT -- YOU

10:22:16 REALLY DON'T HAVE A COMPETENCY TO RUN A DISTRICT.

10:22:20 YOU USE DIFFERENT TOOLS TO HARASS ME AND HARASS THE

10:22:23 PEOPLE AND THEIR SAFETY ABOUT DOING IT.

10:22:27 YOU DO IT ALL BY THAT -- BY -- BY EVERYTHING.

10:22:30 IT IS SO MUCH THAT I CAN'T EVEN SAY IT ALL, FOR REAL.

10:22:35 AND THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, YOU

10:22:37 NEED TO GIVE UP YOUR LICENSE TOO BECAUSE YOU ARE IN

10:22:39 TOTAL VIOLATION OF YOUR OATH.

10:22:41 YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN TALK, SIR.

10:22:44 YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN TALK OR GIVE COMMENT OR SAY

10:22:44 ANYTHING.

10:22:47 YOU ARE IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF YOUR OATH, SIR.

10:22:52 AND MR. ORLANDO GUDES.

10:22:53 COUNCIL.

10:22:55 CITY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN, I SECOND THAT MOTION FOR YOU TO

10:22:56 RESIGN, SIR.

10:22:59 BECAUSE OUR BLACK MAN.

10:23:00 OUR BLACK MAN.

10:23:03 AND YOU SEE HOW THE CITY HAVE BEEN DOING THE BLACK

10:23:04 COMMUNITY.

10:23:05 EVEN THE COUNTY.

10:23:07 YOU SEE HOW THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THEM.

10:23:11 I AM PROOF IN THE PUDDING HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAY -- I

10:23:13 AM PROOF IN THE PUDDING.

10:23:22 I READ THAT STORY WHAT HAPPENED IN TULSA, BLACK NEGRO,

10:23:24 NO ONE TOUCH HIM.

10:23:26 I HAVE BEEN TOUCHED TWO TIMES.

10:23:29 TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE CONTRACT.

10:23:32 YOU ALL NEED TO RESIGN.

10:23:38 JOHN -- DINGFELDER -- YOU NEED TO BE QUIET.

10:23:40 YOU NEED TO BE QUIET, SIR.

10:23:43 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SPEAKING FOR SOMEBODY.

10:23:47 I REMEMBER PUBLIX WAVING YOUR DAMN HAND -- EXCUSE ME,

10:23:50 WAVING YOUR HAND FOR A VOTE, SIR.

10:23:51 YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

10:23:52 NONE AT ALL.

10:23:53 NONE AT ALL, SIR.

10:23:55 NO CREDIBILITY.

10:23:56 FOR THE PEOPLE.

10:23:59 YOU ONLY GOT CREDIBILITY FOR YOUR POCKET.

10:24:03 FOR -- YOU ARE -- YOU ARE A CAREER POLITICIAN.

10:24:05 SO WHAT IS A CAREER POLITICIAN?

10:24:07 NOT FOR THE PEOPLE.

10:24:09 ALL OF Y'ALL NEED TO RESIGN.

10:24:12 EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF Y'ALL NEED TO PUT YOUR

10:24:15 RESIGNATION IN TODAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO NOTHING --

10:24:17 YOU AIN'T DID NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE.

10:24:23 STILL PEOPLE UP THERE FOR -- EVEN MR. -- MR. O'CHARLIE

10:24:26 IN THE BUCKHORN ERA.

10:24:27 THE BUCKHORN ERA

10:24:30 AND STILL DOING UP THERE.

10:24:32 WHAT YOU DID FOR THE PEOPLE?

10:24:33 WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE PEOPLE?

10:24:37 ALL OF YOU ALL NEED TO RESIGN AND LET'S START OVER.

10:24:39 LET'S START OVER.

10:24:54 >> THANK YOU FOR COMMENTS.

10:24:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

10:25:08 THANK YOU, SIR.

10:25:12 >> NO MORE PUBLIC SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME.

10:25:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MANY REGISTERED DO WE HAVE.

10:25:15 ONE?

10:25:16 LET'S HEAR IT.

10:25:18 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.

10:25:23 THE FIRST REGISTERED IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.

10:25:25 IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE

10:25:26 THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

10:25:27 >> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

10:25:30 THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING OUR CITY.

10:25:31 I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU.

10:25:34 MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.

10:25:35 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:25:38 GUDES I CAN HEAR YOU.

10:25:44 >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR AND WHAT YOU TOOK OFF IT

10:25:45 IS POSTPONED.

10:25:48 I WANT TO PEAK OF A PR ISSUE I HAVE RECOGNIZED OVER THE

10:25:51 LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

10:25:56 IN NEARLY TWO YEARS I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STOP

10:25:58 OVERBUILDING, SOG.

10:26:00 ONE THING HAS REALLY BOTHERED ME.

10:26:02 THEY THINK THAT YOU DON'T CARE.

10:26:03 WHY DO THEY THINK THAT?

10:26:06 YOU DON'T RESPOND TO ANY E-MAILS OF QUASI JUDICIAL

10:26:08 MATTERS.

10:26:09 I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

10:26:13 I WAS PUT OFF BY COUNCILMAN CITRO WHEN COUNCILMAN CITRO

10:26:16 TOLD ME HE COULDN'T TALK TO ME OF A DEVELOPMENT ACROSS

10:26:19 THE STREET WITH ME WHILE WE WERE IN A VETERANS

10:26:20 TREATMENT EVENT.

10:26:22 SOMETHING ABOUT EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

10:26:25 I HAD NO CLUE WHAT THAT WAS.

10:26:28 I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THE TWO ROLES OF CITY COUNCIL.

10:26:30 I UNDERSTAND IT.

10:26:34 BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS WHO DO NOT GET IT.

10:26:39 THEY THINK THEIR IGNORING THEM.

10:26:42 THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE MISCONCEPTION TO REMEDY.

10:26:45 I WOULD ADD THAT IT COULD EASILY BE ADDRESSED OF AN

10:26:47 HOUR OR SO OF YOUR TIME.

10:26:50 A SHORT VIDEO THAT CAN BE POSTED BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER

10:26:53 CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND DURING YOUR BREAKS IN THE

10:26:53 VIDEO FEED.

10:26:58 I SAW A VIDEO OF THE MAYOR LAST WEEK DURING THE VIDEO

10:27:01 FEED AND HER RUNNING AROUND TOWN WITH SOME STATUES.

10:27:05 SO WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS EDUCATE DURING THAT TIME A SHORT

10:27:06 MINUTE-LONG VIDEO.

10:27:11 A ONE-PAGE FLIER OF SOME SORT THAT MAKES THIS IS A

10:27:12 SIMPLE STATEMENT TO UNDERSTAND.

10:27:15 PARTICIPATION IN GOVERNMENT IS INTIMIDATING FOR MANY.

10:27:18 A VOTE OTHER STEPS UP TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU SHOULD

10:27:19 NEVER FEEL IGNORED.

10:27:24 I ASK A COUNCIL ASSISTANT WITH SOME INFORMATION ABOUT

10:27:25 THE SUBJECT THIS WEEK.

10:27:28 SHE FORWARDED ME MR. SHELBY'S INFORMATION.

10:27:32 I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR MR. SHELBY, BUT IT WAS SIX

10:27:36 PAGES OF LEGALESE THAT I AM NOT -- I AM NOT GOING TO

10:27:37 READ IT, I AM SORRY.

10:27:40 IF I AM NOT GOING TO READ IT AND I AM TELLING YOU THE

10:27:43 TRUTH ABOUT IT, I THINK OTHER PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO

10:27:45 READ IT THAN I AM.

10:27:48 IN SHORT, THE PEOPLE NEED A SHORT, SWEET, EXPLANATION

10:27:55 OF WHY YOU CAN'T REPLY TO QUASI JUDICIAL INQUIRIES AND

10:27:55 E-MAILS.

10:27:56 JUST THAT SIMPLE.

10:28:00 IT IS A PUBLIC RELATIONS THING FOR YOU GUYS AND I HAVE

10:28:02 A LOT OF RESPECT FOR ALL OF YOU AND I HATE IT THAT

10:28:05 PEOPLE TALK BAD ABOUT YOU BECAUSE THEY DON'T HEAR BACK

10:28:05 FROM YOU.

10:28:07 HAVE A GOOD DAY.

10:28:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

10:28:12 ANYBODY ELSE?

10:28:16 OKAY.

10:28:21 >>CLERK: -- SOMEONE WAS LOGGED IN AND HAD TO LOG OFF.

10:28:23 THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:28:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD SAY -- ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO

10:28:28 MAKE A STATEMENT AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:28:30 NOW IS THE TIME IF YOU WISH TO DO THAT.

10:28:32 LET ME SAY TWO POINTS.

10:28:35 MISS POYNOR IS CORRECT.

10:28:37 COMMUNICATION IS BAD.

10:28:39 THIS COUNCIL HAS NO COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR TO

10:28:42 COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ALL

10:28:43 THE TOOLS TO DO THAT.

10:28:45 AND I THINK SHE IS 100% RIGHT.

10:28:48 IF PEOPLE ARE INFORMED AND KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, THEN

10:28:51 THEY WON'T MAKE THESE KIND OF COMMENTS DURING PUBLIC

10:28:52 COMMENT.

10:28:55 IF THE COUNCIL HAS A COMMUNICATIONS PERSON TO TELL WHAT

10:28:58 WE ARE DOING IN OUR DISTRICT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE AND

10:28:59 KNOW.

10:29:02 THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SOMEONE THAT CONSTANTLY PUT

10:29:02 OUT INFORMATION.

10:29:04 WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

10:29:06 WE ARE LONE RANGERS.

10:29:07 WE HAVE AIDE CIRCUMSTANCES BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE

10:29:09 TECHNOLOGY SKILLS.

10:29:11 WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO A LOT OF THIS STUFF.

10:29:15 I TAKE YOUR POINT WELL -- WELL TO HEART.

10:29:18 I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL AND WE NEED

10:29:20 TO LOOK INTO, BECAUSE WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION TO

10:29:22 THE PUBLIC ON OUR -- IN OUR HOUSE.

10:29:26 AND WE NEED A COMMUNICATION PERSON FOR OUR HOUSE TO GET

10:29:28 A MESSAGE OUT FOR OUR DISTRICT AND WHAT WE ARE DOING.

10:29:31 WE ARE PART OF THE CITY AND PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE

10:29:33 ARE DOING AND HOW THE RULES AND HOW COUNCIL OPERATES.

10:29:37 NOT HOW THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT HOW COUNCIL OPERATES

10:29:40 ITS HOUSE AND WHAT ARE OUR DO'S AND DON'TS SO PEOPLE

10:29:43 UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE.

10:29:47 A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE.

10:29:49 WITH THE HOMELESS OPINION I SYMPATHIZE.

10:29:52 WE WENT OUT WHAT WE CALL THE SHELTER LOOKING AT

10:29:53 OPTIONS.

10:29:54 WE UNDERSTAND IT IS A CRISIS.

10:29:57 EVERY DAY I GET TO THIS MICROPHONE I TALK ABOUT

10:29:58 HOUSING.

10:30:01 EVERY DAY I HAVE A CHANCE.

10:30:02 THERE IS A CRISIS.

10:30:03 THERE IS A NEED.

10:30:04 WE UNDERSTAND IT.

10:30:07 AGAIN TWO POINTS TODAY THAT I THINK ARE VERY, VERY

10:30:10 SERIOUS AND I HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION IS LISTENING AND

10:30:13 WE NEED A PERSON WHO CAN COMMUNICATE OUR MESSAGE AS

10:30:15 WELL AS THE MAYOR'S MESSAGE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

10:30:19 WITH THAT, MR. SHELBY, WE WILL GO TO ITEM 64, SIR.

10:30:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.

10:30:30 ITEM 64 FIRST.

10:30:36 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE OR ONLINE OR PHONED

10:30:41 IN.

10:30:43 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DEAL WITH THIS NOW.

10:30:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY?

10:30:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE READY, 64.

10:30:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE.

10:30:55 SO THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU WISH TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT

10:30:57 AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

10:30:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.

10:31:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER HAS OPENED.

10:31:06 SECOND WHICH CITRO.

10:31:07 ALL IN FAVOR.

10:31:08 OPPOSED.

10:31:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: PUBLIC COMMENT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU

10:31:12 WANT TO DO A PRESENTATION PRIOR.

10:31:13 YOUR CALL.

10:31:16 PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST?

10:31:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:31:22 >> THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MICHELLE KENOYER.

10:31:26 MICHELLE, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND

10:31:27 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

10:31:29 >> KENOYER CORRECT.

10:31:32 THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY COMMENT.

10:31:38 I ARRIVED AT 3102 TERRA GROVE DRIVE IN TAMPA.

10:31:41 I AM SPEAKING OUT OF CITY COUNCIL PUTTING MORE

10:31:42 REPLACEMENTS.

10:31:45 NOT ONLY WILL RESULT IN MORE OVERSIGHT OF

10:31:47 ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT

10:31:51 WILL ALSO ENSURE THAT THE CRB IS MORE INDEPENDENT AND

10:31:53 REFLECTIVE OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY.

10:31:57 I AM ALSO URGING THE CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW THE CRB TO

10:31:59 APPOINT AND MAINTAIN ITS OWN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.

10:32:03 CURRENTLY THE CRB SHARES AN ATTORNEY WITH CITY OF TAMPA

10:32:09 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH YOU TO BE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT

10:32:13 FOR A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD THAT IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE

10:32:14 COMMUNITY.

10:32:20 OUR ATTORNEY SHOULD HAVE POWER.

10:32:24 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL WHO VOTED FOR AN

10:32:29 INDEPENDENT CRB AND MORE INDEPENDENCE AND OVERSIGHT OF

10:32:32 THE TAMPA IMPLEMENT IN ORDER.

10:32:36 AND I AM ASKING FOR ALL CITY COUNCILMEMBERS TO CONTINUE

10:32:38 TO SUPPORT THESE CHANGES TO THE WAY MEMBERS ARE

10:32:39 APPOINTED.

10:32:44 THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR LISTENING TO MY INPUT.

10:32:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:32:49 >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS CANO.

10:32:52 IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE.

10:32:54 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

10:32:55 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:32:59 THE SERVICE OF THE BRAVE MEN HONORED BY CHAIRMAN GUDES

10:33:01 EARLIER WAS CELEBRATED BY THIS COUNCIL.

10:33:05 AFTER WORLD WAR II AND KOREA, THE FATHER AND

10:33:09 GRANDFATHER OF THE SAME SERVICEMEN RETURNED TO A NATION

10:33:12 THEY WERE BRUTALIZED BY POLICE IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF

10:33:17 JIM CROW LAWS AND CIVIL RIGHT PROTESTS AGAINST

10:33:17 BRUTALITY.

10:33:23 HERE WE ARE IN NEW MILLENNIUM AND NEW CENTURY TO FIGHT

10:33:25 CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.

10:33:28 I FIND THE WORDS OF THIS COUNCIL TO BE HOLLOW

10:33:32 SENTIMENTS IF YOU CAN'T NOT HAVE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO

10:33:35 AN ADMINISTRATION OF POLICE CHIEF AND MAYOR COVERING

10:33:38 FOR ABUSE AND RACISM BY OFFICERS UNDER THEIR COMMAND.

10:33:40 THIS IS NOT A TIME FOR COMPROMISE.

10:33:43 BECAUSE THIS IS A TIME OF CONFLICT.

10:33:46 FOR YOU ALL, THIS IS NOTHING BUT A BATTLE IN THE

10:33:50 COURTS, BUT FOR THOSE BRUTALIZED BY UNETHICAL AND

10:33:54 RACIST COPS, THEY FEEL A STING OF THIS BATTLE ON THE

10:33:55 STREETS AND YOUR OWN FAMILY.

10:33:59 WHEN YOU WERE VOTED INTO THE SEATS BY THE PEOPLE OF

10:34:01 TAMPA, THEY WERE EXPECTING CERTAIN RESULTS.

10:34:03 IF YOU FAILED TO DELIVER THOSE RESULTS AND FAILED TO

10:34:06 PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF CORRECT COPS, THE PEOPLE WHO

10:34:08 NEEDED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES PERSONALLY AND

10:34:11 POLITICALLY, BALLOTS WILL BE CAST, POLITICAL CAREERS

10:34:13 CHANGED FOR EVER.

10:34:15 BALLOTS MUST BE CAST BECAUSE BULLETS ARE BEING SHOT AT

10:34:21 PEOPLE, TASERS, CLUBS, CHOKEHOLDS, FALSE ARRESTS AND

10:34:26 CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS ARE TOO MANY THAT MANY TAMPAIAN

10:34:30 S FACE OF THOSE WHO SWORN TO PROTECT THEM.

10:34:33 GENTLEMEN, WILL YOU TAKE A MORAL STAND AND NOT WATER

10:34:36 DOWN THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD BY

10:34:37 THE PEOPLE.

10:34:43 IT IS HIGH TIME THE PEOPLE HAVE A MAJORITY OF VOICES ON

10:34:46 A BOARD MEANT TO HOLD THE WORST CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATORS

10:34:47 ACCOUNTABLE.

10:34:51 YOU WANT TO DO RIGHT BY THE PEOPLE YOU SAID IT IN YOUR

10:34:53 OWN SENTIMENTS AND WORDS.

10:34:55 DO NOT WATER DOWN THE CRB PROPOSAL.

10:34:58 ENSURE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WHO WAS ELECTED FOR THE

10:35:01 PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF

10:35:06 APPOINTMENTS AND THAT THE BOARD ITSELF CAN HOLD TO

10:35:08 THOSE WHO PROTECT THEM.

10:35:10 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

10:35:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:35:14 >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KELLY BENJAMIN.

10:35:18 KELLY, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF

10:35:20 AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

10:35:21 >> HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:35:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN HEAR YOU, SIR.

10:35:25 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

10:35:31 I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST WISH A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, A

10:35:34 WORKING BIRTHDAY, TO COUNCILMAN CITRO.

10:35:37 WE ARE ONE DAY APART, SIR.

10:35:37 MINE IS TOMORROW.

10:35:43 I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE SECOND READING OF THE

10:35:47 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN A LONG

10:35:47 TIME COMING.

10:35:51 WE STARTED THIS PROCESS SIX YEARS AGO.

10:35:55 AND WE HAVE MADE QUITE A BIT OF PROGRESS IN RECENT

10:36:02 MONTHS, PARTICULARLY SINCE COUNCILMAN GUDES SUGGESTED

10:36:07 REVAMPING TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY A VOICE IN

10:36:11 THE WAY OF POLICE AND TOOL AND MECHANISM TO HAVE SOME

10:36:15 ACCOUNTABILITY IN REVIEWING CASES AND THE ABILITY TO

10:36:19 MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND -- AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE

10:36:22 A SAY IN THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE AND THE RELATIONSHIP

10:36:24 BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE

10:36:36 COMMUNITY.

10:36:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DID WE LOSE HIM?

10:36:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE IS OUT OF TOWN.

10:36:42 I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE LOST HIM.

10:36:47 MAYBE HE WILL CALL BACK IN.

10:36:57 >>CLERK: MR. BENJAMIN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?

10:36:59 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS SOME PUSH BACK FROM

10:37:03 MAYOR JANE CASTOR, AND I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF ELEPHANT

10:37:07 IN THE ROOM THAT THERE IS -- THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT

10:37:12 REVIEW BOARD SET UP TO PROVIDE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND

10:37:16 SOME OVERSIGHT, BUT THE -- YOU KNOW, MAYOR CASTOR, THE

10:37:20 FORMER POLICE CHIEF, DOESN'T WANT TO ALLOW THE COUNCIL

10:37:23 TO HAVE THAT MANY APPOINTMENTS.

10:37:27 AND I THINK THAT IS A REAL ISSUE CONSIDERING THE

10:37:29 HISTORY WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT THE

10:37:33 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DOCUMENTED REGARDING A HISTORY, A

10:37:38 LONG-STANDING HISTORY OF RACIST PRACTICES THAT THEY

10:37:41 WERE DOCUMENTED, THAT THE TAMPA BAY TIMES EXPOSED AND

10:37:43 THAT WERE HAPPENING DAILY.

10:37:48 BASED ON THE COLOR OF PEOPLE'S SKIN, UNDER THE CURRENT

10:37:51 MAYOR'S WATCH AS POLICE CHIEF.

10:37:55 I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND I

10:37:56 THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE.

10:37:59 THAT SHOULD BE FOREMOST IN PEOPLE'S MINDS AS THEY MAKE

10:38:01 THIS IMPORTANT VOTE.

10:38:04 TODAY ON THE SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE.

10:38:07 IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO WITH THIS COMPROMISE,

10:38:10 WHERE THERE IS A SPLIT IN APPOINTMENTS, IT IS GOING TO

10:38:14 CONTINUE TO BE A -- A REVIEW BOARD WITH A LACK OF

10:38:15 CREDIBILITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

10:38:19 AND WE WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT WAS

10:38:25 INTENDED AND CLOSE TO WHAT OTHER ACROSS FLORIDA HAVE

10:38:29 REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE -- A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY

10:38:33 CAN, YOU KNOW, FEEL COMFORTABLE IN KNOWING THAT THEY

10:38:36 HAVE A TOOL TO USE TO REVIEW CASES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT

10:38:40 -- THE DOCUMENTS THAT -- THAT HAPPEN.

10:38:46 SO MY -- MY URGING FOR EVERYONE HERE I HAVE MY DAUGHTER

10:38:49 WITH ME -- PLEASE FOR THE SECOND READING CONTINUE TO --

10:38:52 TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE

10:38:54 YOU DID LAST MONTH.

10:39:00 THE COUNCIL DESERVES THESE APPOINTMENTS.

10:39:07 >>CLERK: OKAY, NEXT SPEAKER IS MAJ VISIGH.

10:39:09 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

10:39:12 AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

10:39:16 >> CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME?

10:39:22 >> MY NAME IS MAJ VISIGH AND WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A

10:39:25 WELL-ROUNDED PERSPECTIVE OF AN ATTORNEY AND RESIDENTS

10:39:27 OF THE CITY THE LAST 14 YEARS.

10:39:30 OVER THE LAST DECADE I HELPED PROSECUTE PEOPLE AND I

10:39:32 HAVE BEEN A VICTIM OF THE CRIME AND I APPRECIATE THE

10:39:35 IMPORTANCE OF POLICE AND THE UNIQUE CHALLENGE OF THEIR

10:39:36 JOB.

10:39:40 HOWEVER, I ALSO HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC OFFENDER AND I HAVE

10:39:47 BEEN UNLAWFULLY ARRESTED AND PAID A HANDSOME SETTLEMENT

10:39:49 BY THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

10:39:54 AS I HAVE BEEN THREATENED BY COPS AND REPRESENT MY

10:39:58 WORDS IN POLICE REPORTS, I HAVE SEEN COUNTLESS EXAMPLES

10:40:05 OF MISCONDUCT, AND A COP MISUSED HIS POSITION TO LIE

10:40:09 ABOUT MY CONDUCT AND HAVE ME SUSPENDED AS REVENGE FOR

10:40:12 ME CALLING HIM FOUGHT FOR HIS MISCONDUCT.

10:40:16 THE MISCONDUCT WHERE HE PUBLICLY SAID OUT LOUD AND

10:40:20 BRAGGED ABOUT ARRESTING PEOPLE HAVING BAD ATTITUDES

10:40:23 WHILE USING ABUSIVE RACIST LANGUAGE.

10:40:27 HE IS ON A BRADY LIST, A LIST OF OFFICERS AND WITNESSES

10:40:30 THAT ARE SO BAD THAT THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS TO

10:40:33 DISCLOSE THEIR RECORD FOR LYING AND MISCONDUCT.

10:40:35 WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR ONE REASON ARGUING ABOUT THE

10:40:37 NUANCES OF THE CRB.

10:40:40 MAYOR JANE CASTOR RESENTS THIS CITY COUNCIL, RESENTS

10:40:44 THE CITY OF TAMPA AND VALUES LOYALTY OVER TRUTH.

10:40:47 OFFICER CASTOR IS INCLUDING HOW AND FIGHTING TO THE

10:40:50 DEATH TO MAKE SURE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE GETS THE MAJORITY

10:40:52 OF THE APPOINTMENTS ON THE CRB.

10:40:57 MAYOR CASTOR SAID PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR CITY COUNCIL ARE

10:41:02 SO AGAINST COPS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE UNJUST MEMBERS.

10:41:05 AND SHE WANTS TO BALANCE IT OUT, OF COURSE, WITH PEOPLE

10:41:07 EQUALLY BIASED.

10:41:11 LOOK, IN -- MANY IN SOME OTHER HYPOTHETICAL DISCUSSION

10:41:16 AND BENEVOLENT UNBIASED MAYOR THAT WE CAN ALL

10:41:21 INHERENTLY ENTRUST AT THE CRB, GOOD LORD, FOLKS.

10:41:22 COMMON SENSE.

10:41:25 EVEN PROSECUTORS WILL AGREE A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER

10:41:29 SHOULDN'T BE TRUSTED AS A MEMBER OF A CRIMINAL COURT

10:41:32 SQUARE WITHOUT TAINTING THE BALANCE OF JUSTICE.

10:41:35 I REALIZE THIS ISSUE EMOTIONAL FOR FOLKS BECAUSE SO

10:41:40 MANY OF US THAT ARE WRONGED BY POLICE JUSTIFIABLY

10:41:43 MOTIONAL AND OFFICERS IN ATTENDANCE GET EMOTIONAL.

10:41:47 PEOPLE GET EMOTIONAL WHEN SOMEONE ACCUSES THEM OF

10:41:49 GETTING THEIR JOBS RUN.

10:41:52 SET THAT ASIDE AND COMMON SENSE TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE

10:41:54 OF IMPROPRIETY.

10:41:57 THE OFFICERS OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE NOT

10:42:00 SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER HARD-WORKING CITIZENS OF THE

10:42:00 CITIZEN.

10:42:10 IMAGINE THIS HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, OUR RETIRED POLICE

10:42:10 CHIEF.

10:42:14 AND IF THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS ASSEMBLING THE --

10:42:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:42:27 >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE WILLIAM KILGORE.

10:42:30 WILLIAM, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND

10:42:35 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

10:42:37 >> HI, THERE, COUNCILMEMBERS.

10:42:41 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ST. PETE COP WATCH TO VOICE MY

10:42:44 STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TAMPA

10:42:45 CRB.

10:42:47 I HAVE A LOT OF PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF

10:42:47 TAMPA.

10:42:49 I CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY VERY MUCH AS SOMEBODY WHO

10:42:53 IS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN THE BAY AREA.

10:42:56 I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE ACTIVITIES OF THE

10:43:01 TAXPAYER -- TAXPAYER-FUNDED PARAMILITARY FORCE

10:43:03 OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

10:43:06 AND THE SHAMEFUL LACK OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND

10:43:08 INPUT INTO THEIR ACTIVITIES.

10:43:11 LAST YEAR, AFTER THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, DURING A

10:43:14 PROTEST, MY FRIENDS AND I WERE SHOT AT WITH LESS THAN

10:43:20 LETHAL PROJECTILES BY TPD OFFICERS WHO WERE GEARED UP

10:43:22 TO FACE FOR PEACEFUL PROTESTERS AS IF THEY WERE READY

10:43:23 FOR WAR.

10:43:26 A PEACEFUL COLUMBUS DAY PROTEST BACK IN OCTOBER

10:43:31 ORGANIZED BY INDIGENOUS ACTIVISTS, MEMBERS OF THE BIKE

10:43:34 SQUAD RUSHED THE CROWD TO FOR A LINE BETWEEN

10:43:38 DEMONSTRATORS AND THE COLUMBUS MONUMENT ON BAYSHORE.

10:43:42 I WAS THERE IN MY CAPACITY AS A BIKE AND THE BIKE SQUAD

10:43:46 WERE NOT WEARING NAMEPLATES AND REFUSING TO VERBALLY

10:43:49 IDENTIFY SELVES.

10:43:51 I FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAT RESULTED

10:43:54 IN A SMALL SLAP ON THE WRIST, A LETTER OF COUNSELING

10:43:59 FOR THE BIKE SQUAD CORPORAL STRICTLAND WHO TOLD HIS

10:44:03 SUBORDER NANCE TO -- SUBORDINATES TO REMOVE THEIR

10:44:04 NAMEPLATES.

10:44:07 THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD REPORT REGARDING THE

10:44:14 INCIDENT, SERGEANT HORBATH OPENLY DISPARAGED MY GOOD

10:44:17 FAITH COMPLAINT SAYING I WAS JUST SHOWING WHAT I WANTED

10:44:19 TO SHOW THROUGH THE VIDEO CLIPS AND STILL IMAGES I

10:44:20 PROVIDED.

10:44:23 HE REPEATED THROUGHOUT THE REPORT THE BASELESS CLAIM

10:44:27 THAT PROTESTERS WERE POTENTIALLY GATHERING OFFICER

10:44:29 NAMES IN ORDER TO THREATEN THEIR FAMILIES USING THIS AS

10:44:35 AN EXCUSE FOR HIS COLLEAGUES' EXTREMELY TROUBLING

10:44:36 ACTIONS.

10:44:40 MY POINT IS THE TPD PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS BUREAU AND

10:44:43 COMPLAINT PROCESS AS A WHOLE IS HEAVILY BIASED AND

10:44:46 SLANTED IN FAVOR OF DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL.

10:44:53 THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO MEANINGFUL REVIEW OF A

10:44:57 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD THAT CAN PUBLICIZE AND OUTSIDE THE

10:45:00 PURR SUNROOF THE THIN BLUE LINE AND NOT FRINGE

10:45:03 ACTIVISTS ASKING FOR THIS AS I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE

10:45:07 POLLING BY THE ACLU OF FLORIDA SAY YESTERDAY TAMPA

10:45:11 VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO

10:45:12 THE CRB.

10:45:13 YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY.

10:45:16 REMEMBER WHO YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE.

10:45:19 REMEMBER WHO VOTED YOU IN OFFICE, THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA,

10:45:21 NOT THE TAMPA PD.

10:45:23 NOT CHIEF DUGAN.

10:45:27 NOT FORMER CHIEF JANE CASTOR.

10:45:29 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:45:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:45:37 >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER SHIVAN SHUKLA.

10:45:39 SHIVAN IS ON THE LINE.

10:45:40 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

10:45:44 >> HELLO, SHIVAN SHUKLA, AND I WILL GET STRAIGHT TO THE

10:45:45 POINT.

10:45:47 YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION WITH HISTORY AND RECORD LIKE

10:45:51 TPD, SOMETHING IS WRONG AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.

10:45:54 IN 2015 TO THE INCREASED USE OF FORCE UNDER CHIEF DUGAN

10:45:59 HOW TPD CONSISTENTLY LIES TO THE PUBLIC, THE BOTTOM

10:46:01 LINE IS THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY AND NO

10:46:02 RESPONSIBILITY.

10:46:04 TPD SHOULD BE ANSWERING TO THE PUBLIC, NOT TO

10:46:05 THEMSELVES.

10:46:08 THERE IS A LOT TO BE DONE, BUT THESE REFORMS FOR THE

10:46:10 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS A GREAT PLACE TO START.

10:46:13 LET'S BE CLEAR, YOU CAN NOT EXPECT THE OUT-OF-CONTROL

10:46:19 FORCE TO MONITOR, CONTROL AND DISCIPLINE ITSELF.

10:46:21 THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD BUREAU IS A JOKE.

10:46:25 YOU KNOW HOW MANY USE OF FORCE COMPLAINTS THAT TPD

10:46:26 HAVE?

10:46:30 YOU KNOW HOW MANY OFFICERS HAVE MULTIPLE ALLEGATIONS

10:46:31 AGAINST THEM?

10:46:33 WE DON'T BECAUSE NO OVERSIGHT AND THE ENTIRE POLICE

10:46:36 DEPARTMENT IS SHIELDED ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND

10:46:37 INSIGHT.

10:46:39 THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE AND YOU ALL HAVE THAT POWER.

10:46:44 THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, YOU

10:46:46 CAN CHANGE THAT BY PASSING THIS BILL.

10:46:48 LET'S TALK OF THE CRB.

10:46:55 THE CRB ISN'T INVESTIGATE THE POLICE UNLESS IT POLICE

10:46:56 DEPARTMENT OPENS UP.

10:46:59 THEY CAN'T SUBPOENA OFFICERS TO TESTIFY AND CAN'T EVEN

10:47:01 DISCIPLINE OFFICERS AND CAN'T IMPLEMENT BASIC POLICY

10:47:02 CHANGES.

10:47:04 BUT THIS WAS ALL BY DESIGN, RIGHT.

10:47:07 THE POLICE ARE SO SCARED OF ANY SORT OF SCRUTINY THEY

10:47:10 WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL OVER THE SMALLEST OF REFORMS.

10:47:13 AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS, A SMALL REFORM.

10:47:15 EVERY DAY THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED

10:47:18 IN THE OPPRESSION OF BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES IN

10:47:18 TAMPA.

10:47:22 A SIMPLE ACTION WE CAN TAKE TO MAKE TPD SLIGHTLY BETTER

10:47:26 AND MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE IT SERVES.

10:47:28 THE MAJORITY OF TAMPA CITIZENS SUPPORT THIS

10:47:29 LEGISLATION.

10:47:32 YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO VOTED YOU INTO OFFICE LITERALLY

10:47:34 WANT TO YOU PASS THIS.

10:47:36 THE ONLY PEOPLE AGAINST THIS ARE THE COPS.

10:47:39 LET ME BE AS CLEAR AS I CAN, BLUE LIVES DON'T EXIST.

10:47:42 NOT A BLUE FIGHT, A BLUE UNIFORM.

10:47:43 BEING A COP IS A JOB.

10:47:45 AND JOBS HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.

10:47:47 SO LET'S ALL COME BACK TO REALITY AND MAKE SOME

10:47:48 CHANGES.

10:47:51 THESE COPS WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO ON THE STREETS AND DO

10:47:52 WHATEVER THEY WANT.

10:47:55 BEAT PEOPLE, SHOOT PEOPLE, ATTACK PROTESTERS.

10:47:58 AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND

10:48:01 REVAMPING THE CRB AND SOME ACCOUNTABILITY IS A GREAT

10:48:03 PLACE TO START.

10:48:03 THANK YOU.

10:48:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:48:12 >>CLERK: AIR IS ANGEL DEANGELO AND TIMOTHY WERE

10:48:14 REGISTERED SPEAKER AND LOGGED OFF.

10:48:18 THAT CONCLUDES REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR ITEM 64.

10:48:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:48:40 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

10:48:41 >> AM I GOOD TO GO.

10:48:42 >> YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.

10:48:43 >> THANK YOU.

10:48:45 HOW IS IT GOING EVERYBODY.

10:48:47 ARTURO GONZALEZ.

10:48:50 I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS

10:48:51 OF TAMPA BAY.

10:48:52 I AM REPRESENTING THEM TODAY.

10:48:53 IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.

10:48:54 I HAVEN'T SEEN Y'ALL.

10:48:57 I MISS Y'ALL TOO, IT IS ALL GOOD.

10:48:58 SO, YEAH.

10:49:05 I HAVE SOME NOTES HERE IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A MOMENT.

10:49:10 YEAH, SO -- YOU LIKE -- PEOPLE -- PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT,

10:49:12 PEOPLE IN THE CENTER, THEY CALL ME A COP HATING

10:49:13 ANARCHIST.

10:49:17 PEOPLE ON THE LEFT NEOFASCIST APOLOGIST.

10:49:20 I AM PROUD TO SAY I AM NEITHER.

10:49:23 I AM A DEMOCRAT AND I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND

10:49:26 THE CRB THAT SHOULD BE RUN DEMOCRATICALLY.

10:49:28 I AM NOT HERE FOR POLITICAL THEATRE.

10:49:32 I KNOW HOW THE MAKE-UP OF THIS CRB IS GOING TO BE.

10:49:34 FIVE VOTES TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

10:49:38 FIVE VOTES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN ONE VOTE MIGHT

10:49:41 GO TO A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION, POSSIBLY THE

10:49:45 NAACP.

10:49:47 UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS STILL A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

10:49:48 COUNCILMAN GUDES.

10:49:54 I DON'T MEAN TO IMPLY IMPROPRIETY.

10:49:56 COUNCILMAN GUDES USED TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.

10:49:58 THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

10:50:01 THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IF THEY VOTE A CERTAIN WAY, YOU WILL

10:50:04 PROBABLY BE INCLINED TO VOTE THAT WAY.

10:50:06 COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FRIENDS.

10:50:07 WE HAVE A RAPPORT.

10:50:12 BUT YOU SHOW UNWAVERING SUPPORT TO THE POLICE

10:50:16 DEPARTMENT AND I BELIEVE NO INSTITUTION SHOULD DESERVE

10:50:18 UNWAVERING SUPPORT.

10:50:21 INSTITUTIONS THAT WE PAY FOR WITH OUR TAX MONEY NEED TO

10:50:24 BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY DO WRONG.

10:50:27 THE POINT OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.

10:50:30 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I THINK YOU WERE CALL TAKING

10:50:33 MONEY FROM THE PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND HAD TO

10:50:34 GIVE IT BACK.

10:50:36 THESE ARE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.

10:50:41 THE TIEBREAKER VOTE FOR THE NAACP IS NOMINAL, SYMBOLIC.

10:50:45 IT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH.

10:50:50 WE NEED SUBPOENA POWERS, LITIGATION POWERS THAT ARE

10:50:53 ABLE TO HOLD OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

10:50:58 I AM NOT SAYING THIS AS AN RACIST COP HATER BUT AS

10:51:01 SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN DEMOCRACY.

10:51:03 I WANT A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT LIVES TO THE MAN

10:51:04 PRACTICE PROTECT AND SERVE.

10:51:05 WE NEED THAT.

10:51:07 WE NEED POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT ACTUALLY WORK WITH OUR

10:51:07 COMMUNITIES.

10:51:11 BUT AS WE SEEN LAST YEAR AT THE PROTESTS, BLACK PEOPLE,

10:51:15 ESPECIALLY BLACK PEOPLE, BROWN PEOPLE, LATINO PEOPLE,

10:51:18 INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE STILL SUFFERING FROM

10:51:21 DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES FROM POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

10:51:24 UNTIL THAT CHANGES, UNTIL THE INSTITUTION OF POLICE

10:51:27 SOMETHING HELD ACCOUNTABLE, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

10:51:31 SO WE NEED A CRB WITH TEETH, WITH POWER THAT ACTUALLY

10:51:35 HOLDS THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACCOUNTABLE AND THAT DOES

10:51:37 THEIR JOB.

10:51:38 WHAT ELSE DO I GOT?

10:51:42 YEAH, AND THE MAYOR GETTING FIVE NOMINEES IS JUST

10:51:43 RIDICULOUS.

10:51:44 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

10:51:47 WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE EVEN SPREAD.

10:51:50 AND, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I GOT.

10:51:50 THANK YOU.

10:51:52 YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY.

10:51:53 I AM GOING TO CLASS.

10:51:57 GETTING STRAIGHT AS IS HARD WORK.

10:51:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SIR, SIR.

10:52:01 I NEEDED TO CLARIFY.

10:52:03 HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION.

10:52:11 THANK YOU.

10:52:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MA'AM.

10:52:15 GOOD MORNING.

10:52:16 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:52:18 MY NAME IS TIFFANY HILTON.

10:52:20 I AM BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA.

10:52:23 THE FIRST TIME I CAME HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS WITH

10:52:26 THE CRB, I WAS A FIRST YEAR IN LAW SCHOOL.

10:52:30 NOW I AM GOING INTO ANY THIRD YEAR, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN

10:52:33 MAKE ONE LITTLE CHANGE AT LEAST BEFORE I RETIRE FROM

10:52:35 THE PRACTICE OF LAW.

10:52:37 MY FRIENDS AND I HAVE COME BEFORE YOU FOR QUITE SOME

10:52:42 TIME NOW TO EXPLAIN WHY WE NEED A STRENGTHENED CITIZEN

10:52:44 REVIEW BOARD AND HOW WE CAN DO THAT.

10:52:45 TODAY I BRING A DIFFERENT MESSAGE TO YOU.

10:52:47 I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT WE VOTED FOR YOU.

10:52:49 AND WE TRUST YOU.

10:52:53 LAST MONTH, YOU ALL VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY TO CHANGE THE

10:52:56 NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS THAT THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL

10:52:57 GETS TO MAKE.

10:52:59 NOW THIS VOTE DIDN'T REPRESENT THE SWEEPING CHANGES IN

10:53:03 REFORMS WE ALL HOPE TO EVENTUALLY ACHIEVE BUT IT IS A

10:53:04 STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

10:53:08 THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS.

10:53:11 A PUBLIC POLICY POLLING SURVEY SHOW THAT 85% OF

10:53:14 INDEPENDENT VOTERS DON'T SUPPORT A SINGLE PERSON

10:53:18 APPOINTING THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.

10:53:23 78% OF DEMOCRATS AND 64% OF REPUBLICANS ALSO AGREE.

10:53:26 THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING SEVEN APPOINTMENTS AND THE

10:53:29 MAYOR HAVING FOUR STILL ISN'T FAIR AND BALANCED BECAUSE

10:53:33 THE MAYOR IS ONE PERSON, SO WHY SHOULD SHE GET FOUR IF

10:53:35 EACH OF YOU ONLY GET ONE.

10:53:38 BUT A STEP TOWARD SHOWING YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU

10:53:41 WON'T ALLOW THE POLICE TO RUN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

10:53:42 AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

10:53:45 THAT BEING SAID, I WAS VERY DISCOURAGED BY YOUR MEETING

10:53:46 THIS PAST MONDAY.

10:53:48 I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME THINGS THAT I HEARD.

10:53:52 FIRST, THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON, FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT

10:53:55 SUBPOENA POWER WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING.

10:53:58 YET IT BECAME THE HEADLINE EVERY LOCAL NEWS STATION RAN

10:54:02 WITH DUE TO THE MAYOR'S PRESS CONFERENCE.

10:54:06 AS A COUNCIL, YOU HAD TO HAVE SEEN THAT PRESS

10:54:09 CONFERENCE AS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE TAMPA

10:54:09 COMMUNITY.

10:54:14 IT WAS DISINGENUOUS AND PERFECTLY ILLUSTRATED WHY WE

10:54:15 DON'T TRUST THE MAYOR.

10:54:18 I WANT TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS ONE THING ABOUT SUBPOENA

10:54:19 POWER TODAY THOUGH.

10:54:22 THE ISSUE OF HOW WILL A PRIVATE CITIZEN AVOID A

10:54:26 SUBPOENA CAME UP ON MONDAY.

10:54:31 WHY ARE WE CAN ACTING LIKE RECEIVING A SUBPOENA IS SI

10:54:33 WOMAN NEWS OF BEING EXECUTED.

10:54:36 IF SOMEONE COMES RIGHT UP AND PUNCHES ME IN THE FACE,

10:54:39 YOU WILL ALL BE SUBPOENAED FOR BEING WITNESSES TO THIS.

10:54:40 YOU SHOW UP.

10:54:41 SAY WHAT HAPPENED.

10:54:43 AND MAYBE BRING SOME DOCUMENTS.

10:54:46 THIS NARRATIVE THAT A SUBPOENA IS WORSE THAN DEATH IS

10:54:48 RIDICULOUS AND NEEDS TO STOP.

10:54:51 CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES MADE THE STATEMENT HE DOESN'T

10:54:56 LIKE THE TERM "INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY"BECAUSE ALL

10:54:58 ATTORNEYS ARE INDEPENDENT UNDER THE RULES OF

10:55:01 PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT.

10:55:03 SHE DIDN'T MENTION THAT ATTORNEYS FIRST AND FOREMOST

10:55:05 HAVE A DUTY TO THEIR CLIENTS.

10:55:09 THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN'T SAY NEGATIVE THINGS OF THE CITY

10:55:13 BECAUSE VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT.

10:55:19 TO SAY OTHERWISE IS AN ATTEMPT TO PURPOSELY MISLEAD OUR

10:55:21 CITIZENS WHICH LUCKY FOR THEM NEVER BEEN TO LAW SCHOOL.

10:55:24 MR. VIERA YOU MENTIONED A LEGAL FIGHT OVER THIS

10:55:24 ORDINANCE.

10:55:28 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, OF COURSE THERE IS, OUR MAYOR IS

10:55:32 THE FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE, SHE IS THE EMBODIMENT OF

10:55:33 THE THIN BLUE LINE.

10:55:36 WE VOTED FOR YOU TO FIGHT OUR POLITICAL BATTLES NOT TO

10:55:37 RUN FROM THEM.

10:55:41 THERE IS NO POLICE OVERSIGHT MEASURES THAT ARE NOT

10:55:45 GOING TO BE MET WITH ADVERSITY BY THE FORMER CHIEF OF

10:55:45 POLICE.

10:55:48 MR. GUDES, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS

10:55:51 AND DO WE REALLY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS?

10:55:55 I'M HERE AS YOUR CONSTITUENT BEGGING TO YOU DO SO.

10:55:59 I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN AND EFFORT ABOUT THE HOUSING

10:56:02 CRISIS, BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING ON THE STREETS ON THE HAND

10:56:06 OF THE SWORN OFFICERS AND WE GOT TO STOP THAT.

10:56:09 MAYOR BUCKHORN'S RACIST --

10:56:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MA'AM, MA'AM.

10:56:12 YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

10:56:25 THANK YOU.

10:56:30 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY DOWN THERE TELLING THEM WHEN THEIR

10:56:32 TIME IS UP.

10:56:34 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.

10:56:37 I AM JENNIFER HART A PROUD PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER HERE

10:56:39 IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND CURRENTLY THE VICE PRESIDENT

10:56:42 OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS OF TAMPA BAY.

10:56:44 I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY IN SUPPORT OF A

10:56:46 STRONG CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IN TAMPA.

10:56:50 I AM A PUBLIC SERVANT WITH A IMPORTANT JOB AND I AM

10:56:53 HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY STUDENTS' LEARNING OUTCOME.

10:56:55 EXPECTED TO SHOW WITH VARIOUS ASSESSMENTS THAT MY

10:57:00 STUDENTS MADE GAINS AND MET LEARNING BENCHMARK AND THE

10:57:02 EXPECTATION OF MY PROFESSION.

10:57:06 I WORK FOR THE PUBLIC AND THEY TOLD ME -- HOLD ME

10:57:06 RESPONSIBILITY.

10:57:10 IT IS AN INCREDIBLE IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY, LIVES ARE

10:57:13 NOT ON THE LINES AS IT IS WITH BEING A POLICE OFFICER.

10:57:15 IT IS A FAIR EXPECTATION WHEN YOU BECOME A PUBLIC

10:57:19 SERVANT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

10:57:22 PUBLIC THAT YOU SERVE AND THAT IS A FUNCTION OF AT

10:57:23 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.

10:57:25 WHEN LIVES AND JUSTICE ARE ON THE LINE, IT IS

10:57:27 REASONABLE TO BE EXPECTED TO BE HELD TO THE HIGHEST

10:57:32 STANDARDS; HOWEVER, THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD OR PEOPLE

10:57:35 APPOINTED TO THIS ARE APPOINTED BY ONE ENTITY THE MAYOR

10:57:38 IS NOT A REVIEW BOARD REFLECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY.

10:57:41 I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO STAND UP FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

10:57:43 THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS A COMPROMISE FOR THE

10:57:46 COMMUNITY AS IT DID NOT INCLUDE SUBPOENA POWERS AND

10:57:50 INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY THAT OTHER RIGHTS THAT CRBS HAVE

10:57:53 AND REVISED OUR CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD SO THAT YOU ALL

10:57:58 AND THE NAACP HAD THE MAJORITY OF APPOINTMENTS INSTEAD

10:58:00 OF MAYOR THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE.

10:58:04 CRB IS A CHECKS AND BALANCES SYSTEM AND ALL IMPORTANT

10:58:06 OFFICERS AND SERVANTS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE

10:58:07 PUBLIC THEY REPRESENT.

10:58:09 THAT IS HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS.

10:58:13 NOW THIS ORDINANCE TO IMPROVE OUR CRB TO MAKE IT TRULY

10:58:15 REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PUBLIC AND NOT JUST THE MAYOR'S

10:58:19 OFFICE HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED AND COMPROMISED AT THE

10:58:23 MAYOR HAVING MAJORITY OF APPOINTMENTS SO REALLY WHAT IS

10:58:23 THE POINT.

10:58:26 I AM ASKING TO YOU MAKE A STAND AND AGAIN PASS BECAUSE

10:58:29 YOU ALREADY PASS THIS ONCE, TO PASS THE ORIGINAL

10:58:32 ORDINANCE OF MOVING TOWARD A REAL CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD

10:58:36 IN TAMPA THAT THE ACLU RECOMMENDS.

10:58:40 WE CAN NOT COMPROMISE ON DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE.

10:58:42 THANK YOU.

10:59:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME, MA'AM.

10:59:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GO AHEAD, YVETTE.

10:59:10 >> YVETTE LEWIS, PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP, HILLSBOROUGH

10:59:14 COUNTY BRANCH, THE OLDEST AND THE BADDEST CIVIL RIGHTS

10:59:16 ORGANIZATION IN THE AMERICA.

10:59:18 THE NAACP.

10:59:22 THE MISSION FOR THE NAACP IS TO ENSURE THE POLITICAL,

10:59:27 EDUCATIONAL, SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, EQUALITY FOR ALL

10:59:27 CITIZENS.

10:59:33 ACHIEVE EQUALITY OF RIGHTS, ELIMINATE RACE, PREJUDICE

10:59:36 AMONG THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.

10:59:40 REMOVE ALL BARRIERS OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION THROUGH

10:59:42 DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

10:59:48 SEEK ENACTMENT OF ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL, STATE AND

10:59:53 LOCAL LAWS ENSURING CIVIL RIGHTS.

10:59:56 INFORM THE PUBLIC OF ADVERSE EFFECTS OF RACIAL

11:00:01 DISCRIMINATION AND TO SEEK ITS ELIMINATION.

11:00:07 THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH ESTABLISHED WELL

11:00:11 OVER 100 YEARS HERE.

11:00:14 I'M HERE TO ASK YOU THAT THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

11:00:17 BRANCH HAVE A SEAT ON THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.

11:00:22 THE NAACP FLORIDA STATE CONFERENCE AND THE NATIONAL

11:00:27 NAACP IS CURRENTLY WATCHING THE CITY OF TAMPA.

11:00:35 WE DID NOT ASK FOR -- WE DID NOT ASK FOR -- WHILE

11:00:36 BLACK.

11:00:38 IT DID NOT START WITH US.

11:00:41 AT THIS COUNCIL AS STATED IN OUR MISSION, WE WILL

11:00:45 CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE, AGITATE, AND EDUCATE THE

11:00:47 COMMUNITY.

11:00:56 ONE THING I ALWAYS SAY, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL.

11:01:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:01:14 >> GOOD MORNING.

11:01:20 CONNIE BURTON, CITIZEN.

11:01:25 I RISE TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS GENERATION IS COMMITTED

11:01:31 TO ENDING AND KILLING EVERY FORM OF JIM CROW THAT WE

11:01:34 SEE MOVING AROUND.

11:01:41 THAT WOULD INCLUDE ANY TIME OF ATTITUDE OF PERSONS IN

11:01:45 POWER THAT THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THE

11:01:50 OPPRESSED HOW TO SPEAK REGARDING THEIR OPPRESSION.

11:01:56 I WILL CAUTION COUNCILMEN TO ONLY CHEER OR CELEBRATE IF

11:02:00 YOU WERE FORTUNATE IN WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION.

11:02:04 THE CRB BOARD AND THE GROUP THAT HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY

11:02:11 TO BRING SOME BALANCE IN THIS CITY IS, AGAIN, WATCHING

11:02:15 CITY LEADERS CHANGE THE GAME.

11:02:20 WE SAY BE COMMITTED TO TRUST AND WE FIND OUT TIME AND

11:02:23 TIME AGAIN THAT WE CAN NOT TRUST YOU.

11:02:30 SO A 7-4 SPLIT WITH EACH OF YOU BRINGING SOMEONE FORTH

11:02:33 THAT CAN REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF A CITIZEN THAT COULD

11:02:37 LISTEN TO STORIES.

11:02:40 THAT COULD LISTEN TO COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS THAT

11:02:44 ORDINARY CITIZENS BRING ABOUT, YOU RUN FROM THAT

11:02:45 POSITION.

11:02:49 NOW IN THE HANDS OF GIVING GREATER POWER TO THE MAYOR

11:02:54 WHO IS THE POLICE, YOU CAN CONCEDE YOUR POWER.

11:02:57 BUT FURTHER CONCEDE YOUR POWER BY SAYING THAT THE

11:03:03 OLDEST, SOMETIMES FEARED, SOMETIMES HATED ORGANIZATION

11:03:08 THAT HAS OVER 100 YEARS OF BEING THE VERY FIRST

11:03:13 RESPONDERS TO THE OPPRESSED DO NOT DESERVE A SEAT ON

11:03:14 THAT BOARD.

11:03:17 WHAT DO THAT TELL US ABOUT YOU?

11:03:21 WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT THIS MAYOR AND THIS CITY

11:03:26 THAT CONTINUES TO PROCLAIM TO BE PROGRESSIVE, BUT BY NO

11:03:30 MEANS IS.

11:03:33 WE ARE SEEING THAT ALTHOUGH THE CRB BOARD WAS NOT

11:03:37 PERFECT, BUT WE WAS WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD.

11:03:43 WE ARE NOW DEMANDING THAT THE FIRST READ IS

11:03:43 IMPLEMENTED.

11:03:49 AND IF YOU HAVE COURAGE AND SAY THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY

11:03:52 THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL CRYING OUT AGAINST POLICE ABUSE,

11:03:57 YOU WOULD SAY IF WOULD YOU USE YOUR POWER TO ENSURE THE

11:04:00 CITIZENS WERE GETTING THEIR GREATEST PROTECTION.

11:04:23 TO DO OTHERWISE MIGHT MEAN YOUR POLITICAL DEMISE.

11:04:25 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

11:04:28 JARVIS EL-AMIN.

11:04:32 I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THE CITY COUNCILMEN, I WANT TO

11:04:35 YOU THINK BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN EVERYBODY WAS

11:04:35 RUNNING.

11:04:39 ALL OF THE GOOD PLEASANTRIES THAT YOU ALL SAID.

11:04:42 NOW YOU GOT TO PUT THAT INTO ACTION.

11:04:45 REALLY IT IS A SHAME FOR GOD THAT YOU HAVE A FORMER

11:04:50 POLICE CHIEF AS THE MAYOR THAT THINK IT IS ALL RIGHT TO

11:04:55 HAVE FIVE MEMBERS ON A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD --

11:04:58 OPERATIVE WORD BEING "CITIZEN" TO DEAL WITH POLICE

11:04:59 ACCOUNTABILITY.

11:05:06 THIS IS THE SAME MAYOR THAT WAS THE POLICE CHIEF WHEN

11:05:12 THE -- NOW GIVE THIS FORMER POLICE CHIEF FIVE

11:05:16 APPOINTMENTS FOR A BOARD THAT WILL DO OVERSIGHT FOR

11:05:18 POLICE MISCONDUCT AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.

11:05:20 THINK ABOUT THAT NOW.

11:05:22 THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.

11:05:24 IT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL.

11:05:28 NUMBER ONE, THE BOARD AIN'T GOING TO HAVE REAL POWER

11:05:30 LIKE THE LADY SAID BEFORE ME.

11:05:33 THE WORD SUBPOENA.

11:05:37 SUBPOENA INTO A JUDICIAL PROCESS AND HOLD POLICE

11:05:43 ACCOUNTABLE FOR BRUTALITY AND MISCONDUCT.

11:05:46 THE WATER DOWN BOARD, GIVE A FORMER POLICE CHIEF WHO IS

11:05:58 THE MAYOR NOW, FIVE APPOINTEES AND CITY COUNCIL GET THE

11:06:00 OLDEST, CIVIL RIGHTS.

11:06:04 AND EVERYBODY WHO IS BLACK, YOU BETTER WITH THE NAACP.

11:06:08 IN THE 1800S WHEN YOU WERE GETTING LYNCHED.

11:06:11 WHITE PEOPLE WERE LYNCHING PEOPLE AND SHOWING THEIR

11:06:16 CHILDREN ALL -- AND GOING TO HAVE PICNICS WATCHING

11:06:17 BLACK PEOPLE BEING LYNCHED.

11:06:23 IT WAS THE NAACP THAT STOOD STRONG FOR OUR PEOPLE.

11:06:27 AND IT IS A NAACP RALLY RIGHT HERE.

11:06:29 WE SUPPORT THE NAACP.

11:06:30 WE SUPPORT PRESIDENT LEWIS.

11:06:32 WE SUPPORT SISTER CONNIE BURTON.

11:06:38 ALL MEMBERS OF THE NAACP MUST DEMAND TO BE ON THE TABLE

11:06:42 AND A SHAME THAT YOU EVEN THINKING ABOUT TAKING US OFF

11:06:43 THE TABLE.

11:06:45 DON'T USE TRICKERY WE WANT A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION

11:06:49 AND KEEP IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

11:06:53 NO, IT WAS TAMPA JUSTICE LED BY THE NAACP THAT WAS

11:06:59 ADDRESSING THE POLICE THAT LED US TO THE CRB BOARD

11:07:04 RIGHT NOW.

11:07:08 LOOKING IN THE PUBLIC.

11:07:11 WHEN THEY COME UP TO YOUR CHURCH AND SOME PEOPLE

11:07:14 ALREADY KNOW -- SIGN UP FOR REELECTION.

11:07:19 REMEMBER THIS DAY BECAUSE VOTING HAS CONSEQUENCES AND

11:07:22 WE SHOULD REMEMBER YOU AND REMEMBER THAT THE MAYOR GOT

11:07:23 TO RUN.

11:07:27 THE CITY COUNCIL GOT TO RUN.

11:07:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR COMING.

11:07:32 >> LISTEN WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU.

11:07:41 MAKE A GOOD DECISION.

11:07:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE,

11:07:48 SIR?

11:07:48 >> MENTESNOT.

11:07:50 CHECK THIS OUT.

11:07:53 FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS,

11:07:57 THEY ALWAYS PLAY AFRICAN PEOPLE LIKE WE ARE IGNORANT.

11:08:00 THEY SEE THE BLACK SKIN, THEY KNOW THEY CAN TREAT YOU A

11:08:01 CERTAIN WAY.

11:08:05 THEY HEAR YOUR BLACK VOICE.

11:08:11 EBONICALLY SPEAKING AND CORRECT OR INCORRECT, THEY KNOW

11:08:13 THAT IT IS A BLACK VOICE AND THEY CAN TREAT YOU A

11:08:14 CERTAIN WAY.

11:08:16 THIS CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO STAND UP.

11:08:18 THEY ALWAYS TELL TO YOU ADDRESS THE BOARD AND THEY

11:08:20 CAN'T SPEAK BACK AND ALL THIS AND REPRESENT ONE

11:08:21 ANOTHER.

11:08:24 WHEN I FIRST CAME UP TO SPEAK, TALKING BACK LIKE LITTLE

11:08:27 CHILDREN, OH YOU THIS AND THIS.

11:08:29 QUITE NATURALLY THEY NEED TO PROTECT.

11:08:32 ONE SAYING ABOUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER PEOPLE CALLING

11:08:36 PEOPLE THUGS BECAUSE WE ARE STANDING UP FOR OUR RIGHTS.

11:08:37 THEY GOT TO PROTECT ONE ANOTHER.

11:08:39 THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

11:08:43 BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY PLAY AFRICAN PEOPLE

11:08:44 LIKE WE ARE IGNORANT.

11:08:46 BEFORE WHEN THE POLICE USED TO BEAT YOU AND BEAT WITH

11:08:50 YOU FLASHLIGHTS AND HANDCUFF YOU AND KICK YOU AND

11:08:52 HOG-TIE YOU AND MURDER YOU.

11:08:55 WHAT DID WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAD TO GO DOWN TO THE

11:08:55 INTERNAL REVIEW.

11:08:59 WE HAD TO GO DOWN TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND COMPLAIN TO

11:09:02 THE CAME WHITE PEOPLE THAT WERE BRUTALIZING YOU.

11:09:05 AND THEY TELL YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE CASE AFTER YOU

11:09:06 FILE COMPLAINT.

11:09:08 SO THEY PUT A GAG ORDER ON YOU.

11:09:12 NOW THEY ARE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT NO SUBPOENA POWER.

11:09:14 YOU ARE TRYING TO PLAY US BLACK PEOPLE THAT WE ARE

11:09:16 STUPID.

11:09:17 WE ARE NOT STUPID.

11:09:20 62 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN SURVIVING THIS.

11:09:21 WE ARE NOT STUPID.

11:09:22 WE ARE SURVIVORS.

11:09:25 THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS GET A

11:09:27 MILLION DOLLAR POLICY FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS BEEN

11:09:29 MURDERED BY THE POLICE.

11:09:34 AND ALSO MAKE RETROACTIVE.

11:09:36 WATCH HOW FAST THOSE KILLERS.

11:09:38 HALF MILLION POLICY FOR ANYBODY BRUTALIZED BY THE

11:09:39 POLICE.

11:09:41 RIGHT OR WRONG.

11:09:42 THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

11:09:45 THE CRB BOARD HAS TO HAVE SOME TEETH IN IT.

11:09:48 WHEN BLACK LIVES MATTER, THAT IS WHEN YOU SEE A WHOLE

11:09:52 WAVE OF THESE LIBERALS, LIBERAL DEMOCRATS SITTING RIGHT

11:09:53 IN OFFICE RIGHT NOW.

11:09:56 CAME IN THE OFFICE AND NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO GO THE

11:09:57 POLICE.

11:10:01 THEY ARE TRYING TO GO THE GESTAPO WAY.

11:10:04 THE AUTHORITARIAN WAY, OVER WHO?

11:10:07 OVER AFRICAN PEOPLE.

11:10:08 ORLANDO GUDES.

11:10:10 THESE ARE THE THINGS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

11:10:13 THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED AFRICAN

11:10:14 PEOPLE TO STAND UP FOR.

11:10:17 WE NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO STAND UP FOR US.

11:10:20 WE DON'T I NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES LAYING DOWN

11:10:26 COOPERATING WITH A EX-POLICE CHIEF, NO MAYOR OR NONE OF

11:10:26 THAT.

11:10:28 WE NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO STAND UP FOR US WHAT IS

11:10:28 RIGHT.

11:10:30 PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

11:10:31 WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.

11:10:31 NOTHING.

11:10:34 WE DON'T NEED NO MIDDLE GROUND.

11:10:39 WE DON'T NEED COMPROMISE LIKE YOU NEED TO COMPROMISE

11:10:40 THIS BOARD.

11:10:46 THE NAACP BOARD GIVE YOU YOUR JOB, YOU SAY YOU DON'T

11:10:47 WANT THEM AS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD.

11:10:48 THAT IS A SHAME.

11:10:50 MOST DEFINITELY IS.

11:10:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:10:52 THANK YOU, SIR.

11:11:05 APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

11:11:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE ON.

11:11:11 >> JOE GRECO, TAMPA FIRE FIGHTER PRESIDENT.

11:11:14 AS A UNION REPRESENTATIVE THAT REPRESENT THE

11:11:16 DISTINGUISHED MEN AND WOMEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FIRE

11:11:21 DEPARTMENT, FIRE RESCUE, EXCUSE ME, MY EXTREME HONOR TO

11:11:23 BACK OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN BLUE.

11:11:29 IT IS NOTED SEVERAL TIMES BY OTHER AGENCIES THAT OUR

11:11:32 CAMARADERIE AND FELLOWSHIP SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO TEAMS

11:11:35 ARE AN EXAMPLE THAT MORE SHOULD FOLLOW.

11:11:36 WE ARE CLOSE.

11:11:37 WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

11:11:40 AND WE STAND TOGETHER WIN ONE OF US IS IN NEED.

11:11:42 THIS IS HOW I COME TO YOU TODAY.

11:11:45 WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY BACK THE PROPOSALS OF THE COMMUNITY

11:11:50 REVIEW BOARD AS SUPPORTED AND PROMOTED BY OUR MAYOR AND

11:11:52 THE TAMPA POLICE BENEVOLENCE ASSOCIATION.

11:11:55 EVERY DAY WE WITNESS FIRST HAND THE AMAZING AND

11:11:59 SEEMINGLY THANKLESS JOB OUR TEAM HERE IN BLUE DOES.

11:12:02 THAT IS WHY WE NEED AND DESERVE CLOSURE, A VOTE

11:12:04 BACKING THE PROPOSAL GIVES THEM.

11:12:07 THEY HAVE MOST DEFINITELY EARNED IT.

11:12:09 WE ARE YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

11:12:12 IT HAS BEEN A ROUGH YEAR.

11:12:15 LET US ALL GET BACK TO DOING WHAT WE LOVE AND DOING

11:12:16 WHAT YOU HIRED US TO DO.

11:12:20 TO DEFEND AND MAKE A SAFE -- MAKE THIS CITY SAFE AS ONE

11:12:23 OF THE GREATEST CITIES IN THE WORLD.

11:12:26 THANK YOU.

11:12:36 GUDES THANK YOU, SIR.

11:12:39 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN.

11:12:43 DARLA PORTMAN WITH THE TAMPA PAA, THE PRESIDENT.

11:12:46 TALK ABOUT THE CRB WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR A YEAR.

11:12:50 THIS IS A NEGOTIATION THAT THE UNIONS DO ALL THE TIME

11:12:50 WITH THE CITY.

11:12:52 WE ALL CAME TOGETHER.

11:12:55 WE ALL MADE SACRIFICE AND A WISE MAN TOLD ME WHEN I

11:12:59 PAYMENT THE PBA PRESIDENT, WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM A

11:13:02 NEGOTIATION FEELING A LITTLE UNEASY ABOUT IT, YOU WON.

11:13:03 I THINK ALL OF US GOT TOGETHER.

11:13:07 WE CAME UP WITH A VERY GOOD SOLUTION WITH THE 5-5-1.

11:13:11 BUT I TELL YOU THIS RATHER FROM THE NAACP AS THE ONE,

11:13:13 THE ONE WE WORK WITH THE CRB.

11:13:17 COPS AND -- WE AREN'T AFRAID OF THE CRB.

11:13:18 AND WE ARE GOOD WITH THE CRB.

11:13:22 WE CAME TO A REALLY GOOD PROPOSAL IN MAY AND THE NAACP,

11:13:25 THE PBA AND THE CITY AND THE MAYOR HAVE ALL AGREED ON

11:13:26 THAT ONE.

11:13:27 LET'S GO FORWARD WITH THAT.

11:13:28 WE ARE GOOD WITH IT.

11:13:29 OKAY.

11:13:41 THANK YOU.

11:13:46 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS, DANNY ALVAREZ, TAMPA

11:13:48 PBA GENERAL COUNSEL.

11:13:51 CLEARLY BY NOW YOU KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION IS AND WHAT

11:13:52 WE ARE SUPPORTING.

11:13:55 WE APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO HAVE DISCOURSE WITH

11:13:55 EVERYBODY.

11:13:57 WE HAVE GONE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND LISTENED TO MANY

11:14:00 OF, MANY OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND THE FEEDBACK THEY GET

11:14:03 WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IS --

11:14:07 THERE IS A LEVEL OF EXHAUSTION FROM THE UNCERTAINTY.

11:14:10 WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE GOT A GREAT COMPROMISE, THAT WE

11:14:15 CAME IN JANUARY, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WAS THE 5-5-1,

11:14:18 WITH NO SUBPOENA POWER AND NO INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY,

11:14:22 BECAUSE ONE IS BEING PROVIDED BY A CITY AS THE

11:14:23 INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.

11:14:26 WE CONTINUE TO PUSH AND URGE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL BACK

11:14:31 THAT EFFORT IN A MOVE TO GIVE CLOSURE TO THE POLICE

11:14:33 OFFICERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY SITTING OUT THERE WAITING

11:14:36 AND WONDERING HOW AND WHEN THIS IS GOING TO GO.

11:14:39 TO THE EXTENT OF THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO

11:14:40 SAY SOMETHING.

11:14:44 5-5-1 WAS THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH

11:14:46 AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

11:14:47 THEY BOTH LEAD OUR CITY.

11:14:51 NO ONE FAILS TO HAVE A VOICE IN THAT COMPROMISE.

11:14:55 WHAT IS IN THE FACTOR THOUGH THAT ONE EXTRA VOTE THAT

11:14:57 WAS THE NAACP.

11:15:00 WHAT CAUGHT ME A LITTLE BIT OFF GUARD AND MAYBE TO THE

11:15:04 POINT OF BEING OFFENDED WHEN SOMEONE PREVIOUSLY SAID

11:15:08 THAT THE NAACP DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A VOICE.

11:15:10 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW WHAT CAME BEFORE US TODAY, BUT

11:15:13 THE REASON THE UNION AND IRONICALLY THE MAYOR IS

11:15:17 PUSHING FOR THE NAACP TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE IS

11:15:19 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.

11:15:22 AND WE DO WORK WITH THEM HAND IN HAND.

11:15:25 GUESS WHAT, WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE.

11:15:27 YOU DON'T SUSPECT OR THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT CAME

11:15:30 BEFORE YOU ARE GOING TO ROLL OVER JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE

11:15:35 FRIENDLY OR NICE AND KNOW PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE UNION

11:15:37 OR KNOW PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE LEGISLATURE.

11:15:38 RIGHT IS RIGHT.

11:15:39 WRONG IS WRONG.

11:15:41 THAT IS WHAT THE POLICE WANT.

11:15:43 THAT IS THE KIND OF REVIEW THEY WANT.

11:15:46 WHAT THE NAACP MEMBERS ARE GOING TO STAND FOR.

11:15:49 I AM NOT HERE TO REPRESENT THE NAACP BUT HERE TO

11:15:55 SUPPORT THE CURRENT 5-5-1 A VOICE FOR THE NAACP THAT

11:15:57 THE COMPROMISE THAT EVERYBODY MADE AND WE ARE READY TO

11:15:58 MOVE FORWARD.

11:16:00 THANK YOU SO MUCH AND APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS AND THE

11:16:02 SERIOUS DELIBERATION THIS HAS TAKEN.

11:16:25 THANK YOU.

11:16:29 >> HI, EVERYBODY, JAMIE KLAPHOLZ, I AM A TAMPA

11:16:31 RESIDENT AND AN ATTORNEY IN THIS COMMUNITY.

11:16:34 FIRST I WANT TO WISH COUNCILMAN CITRO A VERY HAPPY

11:16:35 BIRTHDAY.

11:16:39 AND I WAS VERY PLEASED LAST MONTH WHEN FIVE OF YOU

11:16:43 VOTED TO PASS A NEW CRB ORDINANCE, BUT NOW I HEAR YOU

11:16:46 ARE CONSIDERING STEPPING BACK FROM THAT ORDINANCE AND I

11:16:48 AM WONDERING WHAT HAS CHANGED.

11:16:51 YOU MAY NOT SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 5-5-1

11:16:55 VERSUS 7-4 BREAKDOWN OF APPOINTMENTS, BUT THE MAYOR'S

11:16:59 ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT IMMENSE RESOURCES -- RESOURCES

11:17:02 OF KEEPING THE CITY COUNCIL FROM APPOINTING A MAJORITY

11:17:03 OF THE CRB.

11:17:06 AND I KEEP ASKING MYSELF WHY.

11:17:09 WHAT IS THE MAYOR AFRAID OF WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY

11:17:12 COUNCIL APPOINTING A MAJORITY OF THE CRB.

11:17:16 SO IF YOU THINK OF IT THIS WAY, IMAGINE THAT THE U.S.

11:17:19 CONGRESS WANTS TO ESTABLISH AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE

11:17:23 DOJ AFFAIRS AND INFORM THE PUBLIC IN A TRANSPARENT AND

11:17:23 CREDIBLE WAY.

11:17:26 IT WOULD NOT GIVE THE PRESIDENT A MAJORITY OR HALF OF

11:17:27 THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS.

11:17:29 WHY?

11:17:32 BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT APPOINTS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND

11:17:34 THEREBY EXERTS CONTROL OVER THE DOJ.

11:17:37 IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR THE PERSON WHO CONTROLS THE DOJ

11:17:41 TO ALSO CONTROL THE BOARD RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING

11:17:43 ITS AFFAIRS ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC.

11:17:47 BY THE SAME TOKEN, MAKES NO SENSE TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO

11:17:51 CONTROL THE CRB WHEN SHE ALREADY CONTROLS THE TPD.

11:17:54 THE ENTIRE SUPPORT THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN

11:17:56 EXTERNAL INDEPENDENT BODY AND THEREFORE I ASK TO YOU

11:17:59 PASS THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT FIVE OF YOU VOTED FOR LAST

11:18:00 MONTH.

11:18:03 TAKING SEVEN OF THE APPOINTMENTS WITH EACH OF YOU

11:18:05 HAVING ONE, AND ALLOWING THE MAYOR TO HAVE FOUR

11:18:10 APPOINTMENTS AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU SEE FIT TO ALLOW

11:18:15 THE NAACP, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT

11:18:17 I AM STANDING HERE AND SAYING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT

11:18:19 THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MUST HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THESE

11:18:20 SEATS.

11:18:22 AND JUST TO ADDRESS ONE OTHER THING.

11:18:26 THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU VOTED FOR LAST MONTH, IN MY VIEW

11:18:29 AND IN THE VIEW OF ACTIVISTS WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS

11:18:32 IS MORE THAN A COMPROMISE.

11:18:35 THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ASKS THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON

11:18:38 AND WORKING FOR YEARS IS NOT IN THAT ORDINANCE.

11:18:41 THAT IS WHY IT IS SO DISAPPOINTING THAT I HAVE TO STAND

11:18:44 HERE AND ASK YOU AND BEG YOU TO PASS THE SAME ORDINANCE

11:18:47 THAT YOU ALREADY VOTED FOR LAST MONTH WHEN IT IS AN

11:18:50 EXTREME COMPROMISE IN THE FAVOR OF THE SIDE THAT

11:18:55 OPPOSES AN INDEPENDENT AND CREDIBLE CRB, BUT HERE WE

11:18:55 ARE.

11:18:59 SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SEE FIT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH

11:19:01 THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU VOTED ON LAST MONTH AND TAKE THE

11:19:03 MAJORITY OF THE CRB APPOINTMENTS.

11:19:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:19:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:19:16 HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE?

11:19:18 IS THAT IS IT, SIR?

11:19:21 >> NO, AFTER HER LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TWO MORE.

11:19:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO MORE.

11:19:25 AFTER THE LAST TWO, WE WILL TAKE A RECESS.

11:19:28 THE CLERK NEEDS TO -- A BREAK.

11:19:29 YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.

11:19:35 >> HI, TATIANA MORALES, A CITIZEN AND RESIDENT OF

11:19:35 TAMPA BAY.

11:19:38 I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HERE THE LAST SIX YEARS, AND

11:19:42 IN THE LAST SIX YEARS, I HAVE WATCHED SO MANY INSTANCES

11:19:45 OF COUNTLESS POLICE VIOLENCE AND POLICE BRUTALITY

11:19:49 RAVAGE MY COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT I LIVE IN,

11:19:51 THE COMMUNITIES THAT I SERVE IN AND WORK WITH.

11:19:55 IN THAT I WATCHED INCIDENTS LIKE JAY PASSMORE NEARLY

11:19:57 BEING KILLED BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT DOWN THE

11:19:58 STREET.

11:20:00 I WATCHED INCIDENTS THAT HAVE CHANGE MIND LIFE

11:20:02 COMPLETELY CHANGED WHO I AM AS A PERSON.

11:20:05 I WATCHED AS OUR CITY HAS LET PEOPLE THAT HAVE

11:20:09 CONSTANTLY HAD ACTS OF BRUTALITY, PEOPLE CONSTANTLY

11:20:12 ACTS OF VIOLENCE CONTINUE TO SERVE ON OUR STREET WITH

11:20:14 OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT ARE TAKING OVER HALF OF THE

11:20:16 BUDGET OF THE CITY ON A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT REFUSES

11:20:20 TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AT ANY CONDITION OF THEIR OWN.

11:20:22 THIS IS WHY WE ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO HOLD THESE

11:20:25 PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, TO HOLD THESE OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE

11:20:28 BECAUSE EVERY TAX DOLLAR THAT WE ALL GIVE INTO YOU

11:20:31 GUYS, INTO YOUR SEATS, INTO THESE OFFICES AND STREETS

11:20:36 ARE IN THE FAITH THAT THESE LEADERS THAT YOU ALL -- YOU

11:20:38 WILL RESPOND AND CARE ABOUT THE VALUES THAT WE BRING

11:20:39 AND WE SHARE.

11:20:41 SO WHEN ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE HERE AND THEY ARE

11:20:44 BEGGING YOU TO LISTEN AND BEGGING YOU AND BEGGING YOU

11:20:48 AND E-MAILING YOU AND TEXTING AND SWEETING SAYING THAT

11:20:51 THE ACLU HAS PROPOSAL THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITIZENS

11:20:55 AND ACTUALLY HOLD OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTABLE AND

11:20:58 MAKE A BETTER UNION, LET'S LISTEN TO IT AND BE LEADERS

11:21:02 THAT ACT PROGRESSIVELY THAT MOVE AND LISTEN TO THE

11:21:02 PEOPLE.

11:21:05 WE NEED TO ACTUALLY CAN HE MAN AND CHANGE AND YOU NEED

11:21:07 TO BE LEADERS OF CHANGE.

11:21:09 OF LEADERS THAT.

11:21:12 I E-MAILED EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU FOR THE MONTHS AND

11:21:15 MONTHS OF COUNTLESS ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY.

11:21:18 THE ONLY TIME ANY RESPONDED WHEN THE MAYOR OR THE

11:21:20 PREVIOUS MAYOR ANSWERED ON TWITTER.

11:21:22 IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE.

11:21:25 WHAT WE ARE DEMANDING IS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY TO BE HELD.

11:21:28 I DON'T WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE LIVING IN THE CITY I TRULY

11:21:32 LOVE THAT HAS SO MUCH RICH, BEAUTIFUL BLACK HISTORY

11:21:37 WONDERING ANDREW JOSEPH III ENDING UP KILLED ON THE

11:21:37 STREET.

11:21:38 THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT.

11:21:42 I DON'T WANT ANOTHER BLACK BODY.

11:21:46 IF WE KEEP ACTING THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING NOW IS WHAT

11:21:48 SUPPOSE TODAY BE, THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

11:21:50 ALL YOUR TERMS ARE COMING UP.

11:21:51 AND THEY ARE GOING TO ENDS.

11:21:53 IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITIES

11:21:57 THAT YOU GO TO CONSTANTLY -- CONSTANTLY FOR PR.

11:21:58 YOU POINT VOTE.

11:22:00 WE WON'T LET YOU INTO OUR CHURCHES.

11:22:02 WEAPON DON'T LET YOU IN OUR SCHOOLS IF YOU DON'T STAND

11:22:05 RIGHT NOW IN THE MOMENT WHEN YOU ARE MEANT TO HOLD

11:22:06 ACCOUNTABILITY.

11:22:08 WHEN YOU ARE MEANT TO STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH.

11:22:10 IT IS TIME TO LISTEN TO THE PEEP.

11:22:12 IT IS TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE WITH WANT AND STOP THE

11:22:15 HEINOUS TERROR THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SPREAD ON

11:22:17 OUR COMMUNITY AND HAVE OFFICERS TO SERVE WITH THE

11:22:18 INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.

11:22:20 THANK YOU.

11:22:23 HOPEFULLY I DON'T SEE YOU ANYMORE WITH TWITTER.

11:22:26 AND ACTUALLY YOU RESPOND TO MY E-MAILS.

11:22:39 THANK YOU.

11:22:40 >> GOOD MORNING.

11:22:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING.

11:22:44 >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL OF ISLAMIC

11:22:45 RELATIONS OF FLORIDA.

11:22:49 AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION WHOSE WORK REVOLVES

11:22:50 AROUND ADVOCACY AND JUSTICE.

11:22:52 OUR PRESENCE HERE IS CRUCIAL TODAY.

11:22:56 HAVING A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD A CRUCIAL STEP IN

11:22:58 ASSERTING JUSTICE.

11:23:01 AND RECENTLY THINGS CHANGED AND CURRENT SET-UP

11:23:03 BASICALLY TAKES US BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

11:23:07 WHEN THE REVIEW BOARD HAS THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS

11:23:10 APPOINTED OR APPROVED BY THE MAYOR IT LOSES ITS

11:23:16 INDEPENDENCE AND LOSES OBJECTIVITY.

11:23:18 FLORIDA IS ASKING TO YOU VOTE OF THE EN SENSE OF WHAT

11:23:22 THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IS ENTITLED TO FULFILL.

11:23:25 THE PEOPLE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY IN PLACE.

11:23:29 WE NEED YOUR VOTE TO CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROMOTE

11:23:30 POSITIVE CHANGE.

11:23:32 THE TRUE PURPOSE OF WHAT CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IS.

11:23:35 FLORIDA IS ASKING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO

11:23:38 CREATE A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD WHICH APPOINTMENTS ARE

11:23:39 MADE BY CITY COUNCIL.

11:23:42 ALSO -- I DIDN'T WRITE THIS DOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO

11:23:44 THINK THAT MUCH TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAYOR'S POINT IS

11:23:46 ALWAYS GOING TO BE BIASED.

11:23:49 YOU DON'T HAVE TO THINK THAT HARD.

11:23:51 AND THAT'S ALL.

11:23:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:23:56 >> ACTUALLY ONE MORE THING, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET

11:23:58 JUSTICE BY THE OPPRESSORS.

11:23:59 WHY PUT THEM IN CHARGE.

11:24:03 THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

11:24:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT THE LAST SPEAKER, SIR?

11:24:08 >> ONE MORE SPEAKER.

11:24:18 ONE MORE GENTLEMAN RIGHT NOW.

11:24:19 >> GOOD MORNING.

11:24:24 JAMES SHAW FROM THE GREATER TAMPA CHAPTER OF THE ACLU

11:24:25 OF FLORIDA.

11:24:27 HAPPY BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN CITRO.

11:24:31 SECOND OFF, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, 5-5-1 IS NOT A

11:24:32 COMPROMISE.

11:24:34 A CAPITULATION.

11:24:38 7-4 IN YOUR FAVOR INSTEAD OF THE MAYOR'S FAVOR WAS A

11:24:39 COMPROMISE.

11:24:42 FT. MYERS THE MAYOR APPOINTS ONE OUT OF 11.

11:24:45 IN MIAMI, TWO OUT OF 13.

11:24:49 DAYTONA BEACH, GAINESVILLE, NONE.

11:24:53 THE CITY COUNCIL -- OUR MAYOR WAS GOING TO GET FOUR OUT

11:24:56 OF THE 11 AND THE ORDINANCE LAST MONTH, THAT WASN'T

11:24:56 ENOUGH.

11:25:01 THE MAYOR WANTS FIVE AND VETO POWER WHO THE SIXTH ONE

11:25:02 IS.

11:25:08 AND THAT SIXTH ONE OF A QUOTE UNQUOTE SOCIAL JUSTICE

11:25:12 CHANGE NAACP.SOCIAL JUSTICE -- WHAT IS THE SOCIAL

11:25:14 JUSTICE ORGANIZATION.

11:25:16 COMMUNITY PATRIOTS A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION.

11:25:17 THEY THINK THEY ARE.

11:25:19 WE ASK FOR SUBPOENA POWER.

11:25:21 IT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE YOU PASS LAST MONTH.

11:25:25 YOU GAVE IT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND YOU LET

11:25:29 YOURSELF CONVINCED YOU COULDN'T GIVE IT TO THE CRB.

11:25:30 WE ASKED FOR AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.

11:25:31 THAT IS NOT IN IT.

11:25:35 YOU GAVE IT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARDS AND YOU GOT

11:25:35 HER.

11:25:38 >> YOU COULDN'T GIVE IT TO THE CRB.

11:25:42 THE ONE THING DID YOU IS A WATERED-DOWN CHANGE OF HOW

11:25:46 THE MEMBERS THAT 7-4 IN YOUR FAVOR INSTEAD OF 7-4 IN

11:25:49 THE MAYOR'S FAVOR AND EVEN THAT THEY WANT TO FIGHT.

11:25:53 IF YOU CAPITULATE TO THAT BEGUN WITH A CRB THAT IS A

11:25:56 WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND END

11:26:01 WITH A CRB THAT IS WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF THE

11:26:01 MAYOR.

11:26:06 WHY IF WE HAVE AN TIE POLICE MAYOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON

11:26:08 ASKED LAST WEEK.

11:26:09 THEY DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.

11:26:12 IF THEY HAD THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW REQUEST ONE

11:26:15 PERSON WOULD APPOINT A MAJORITY.

11:26:17 THAT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO THINK OF THAT.

11:26:19 IT IS YOUR JOB TO THINK OF THAT.

11:26:22 EACH ONE OF YOU BEFORE RUNNING FOR OFFICE I HOPE LOOKED

11:26:25 IN THE BATHROOM MIRROR AND ASKED WHY YOU WANT TO DO

11:26:26 THIS.

11:26:28 AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU SAID TO SEE HOW LONG I CAN

11:26:30 HANG ON.

11:26:31 I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU SAID SO I CAN VOTE AGAINST

11:26:35 WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT WHEN THE PEOPLE WANT IT TO KEEP

11:26:38 POWERFUL FOLKS FROM THROWING TANTRUMS.

11:26:41 I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU SAID, WHEN THE CHANCE COMES TO

11:26:44 DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL, I WANT TO BE ON THE DAIS TO

11:26:46 VOTE TO DO WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING.

11:26:47 THAT IS THIS MOMENT.

11:26:51 AS MISS HILTON SAID, 85% OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS.

11:26:56 78% OF DEMOCRATS, 64% OF REPUBLICANS THINK ONE PERSON

11:26:59 SHOULD NOT APPOINT THE MAJORITY OF THE CRB.

11:27:01 THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY ONE.

11:27:03 WHY IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY FIGHTING SO HARD

11:27:04 FOR THAT.

11:27:06 WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID OF.

11:27:07 NOT SUBPOENAS.

11:27:09 THEY CAN'T BE SUBPOENAED.

11:27:12 NOT DISCIPLINE FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T POLICE OFFICERS.

11:27:14 THE CRB CANNOT DISCIPLINE.

11:27:15 THEY ARE A VOICE.

11:27:18 WHY ARE THEY SO SCARED OF A VOICE.

11:27:19 I TILL YOU WHY BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THEM THE

11:27:23 ABILITY TO BE DISHONEST WITH YOU, THE ABILITY TO BE

11:27:27 DISHONEST WITH THE PUBLIC, THE ABILITY TO SAY SOMETHING

11:27:35 THAT IS OF AN INDEPENDENT BOARD FINDING THE TRUTH.

11:27:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.

11:36:42 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

11:36:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

11:36:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

11:36:47 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

11:36:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

11:36:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

11:36:54 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

11:36:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU DEPUTY CLERK.

11:37:03 MR. SHELBY.

11:37:12 I THINK WE HEARD ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND

11:37:15 REGISTERED AND IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

11:37:19 WE WILL GO AND CLOSE AND MOVE INTO THE BUSINESS OF THE

11:37:24 ITEM 64.

11:37:26 MR. DINGFELDER.

11:37:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:37:32 I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANY LENGTHY DISCUSSION.

11:37:35 I THINK WE -- WE DISCUSSED IT LONG AND HARD FOR -- FOR

11:37:36 A LONG, LONG TIME.

11:37:37 AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN HEALTHY.

11:37:43 I THINK THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE -- WE ALL

11:37:46 WORK HARD TOGETHER, NOT ONLY TODAY BUT IN THE FUTURE TO

11:37:49 MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS A STRONG

11:37:55 AND INDEPENDENT BODY AND THAT IT IS THERE TO TRULY

11:37:59 PROVIDE A HEALTHY OVERSIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY TO THE

11:38:00 CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

11:38:05 AND I THINK EVERY SINGLE POLICE OFFICER IN THE CITY WHO

11:38:08 KNOW THEIR JOB FAR BETTER THAN I DO WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE

11:38:14 OF THAT -- THAT TYPE OF OVERSIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY.

11:38:18 PROCEDURALLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL ONLY REQUEST THIS.

11:38:21 IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE -- WE HAVE COME DOWN TO SORT OF

11:38:25 TWO -- TWO ISSUES ON THE TABLE.

11:38:30 ONE IS THE MAKE-UP OF THE -- OF THE SELECTION.

11:38:35 SO WHICH BASICALLY WOULD COME DOWN TO 7-4 OR 5-5-1.

11:38:40 AND THEN THE SECOND ISSUE NOW IS WHETHER OR NOT IT

11:38:45 SHOULD BE NAACP OR THE ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE THAT WE --

11:38:49 THAT WE PLAYED WITH ON MONDAY.

11:38:52 MY ONLY REQUEST PROCEDURALLY THAT WE HAVE SEPARATE

11:38:54 VOTES ON THOSE TWO ISSUES.

11:38:55 I THINK THAT IS FAIR.

11:38:57 I THINK THAT WAY THE COMMUNITY CAN KNOW WHERE WE STAND

11:38:59 ON THOSE ISSUES.

11:39:02 AND THEN THAT WAY AFTER WE MAKE THOSE TWO DECISIONS,

11:39:06 THEN WE JUST PACKAGE IT UP AND READY TO GO, AND I DO

11:39:09 BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY AS AN ATTORNEY AND SOMEBODY WHO

11:39:12 HAS BEEN HERE FOR TEN YEARS, OFF AND ON, THAT WE ARE

11:39:15 READY FOR SECOND READING NO MATTER WHAT.

11:39:18 THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN WELL NOTICED ON ALL THESE

11:39:22 ISSUES.

11:39:26 AND -- YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE WE CAN PACKAGE THIS UP

11:39:28 AND PUT IT TO BED TODAY AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY,

11:39:31 REALLY HEALTHY TO BE DONE WITH IT TODAY.

11:39:31 THANK YOU.

11:39:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY -- MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE

11:39:34 RECOGNIZED.

11:39:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, JUST REAL QUICK.

11:39:41 HAVING HEARD FROM THE NAACP AND HAVING SPOKEN TO

11:39:45 PRESIDENT YVETTE LEWIS OF THE NAACP THAT THEY HAVE THAT

11:39:48 -- AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED THAT THEY HAVE THAT BOARD

11:39:49 POSITION.

11:39:53 MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY NOT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED OF ANOTHER

11:39:55 SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP OR ACTIVIST GROUP.

11:39:59 THE NAACP WANT THEIR SEAT AT THE TABLE AND WE HAVE TO

11:40:01 KEEP IT THERE.

11:40:03 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

11:40:06 LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:40:12 I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO OF THIS MORNING I

11:40:14 INVITED THE URBAN LEAGUE TO COME OVER.

11:40:18 KIND OF FUNNY HOW IT FELL ON THAT DATE.

11:40:22 A SEAT THAT HAS BEEN PROMISED FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS

11:40:24 DISCUSSED AS NAACP.

11:40:27 AND SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP THAT IS STRONGLY AGREE WITH

11:40:30 MATTER OF VAGUENESS.

11:40:32 PUT IN SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION.

11:40:34 WHAT IS A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION.

11:40:36 THAT IS A VAGUE TERM.

11:40:39 WHAT IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.

11:40:41 WE KNOW WHAT A SOCIAL JUSTICE AND CIVIL RIGHTS

11:40:45 ORGANIZATION, BUT UNDER THE LAW IN SUBJECTIVE TERMS WE

11:40:46 HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.

11:40:49 OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE A HISTORIC ORGANIZATION THAT

11:40:52 FIGHTS FOR SOCIAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS AND THAT

11:40:55 CAREFULLY AND NARROWLY EFFECTS DEFINITION OF THE

11:40:59 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY NAACP THEREFORE THAT SEAT SHOULD BE

11:41:02 SPECIFICALLY GUARDED FOR THE NAACP.

11:41:04 SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID THAT I

11:41:05 STRONGLY AGREE WITH.

11:41:08 WE OUGHT TO VOTE SEPARATELY ON THESE ISSUES AND NOT

11:41:10 SPECIFICALLY ON THE ORDINANCES.

11:41:11 WHY?

11:41:15 BECAUSE I THINK IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 6-5, THE 5-5-1,

11:41:17 WHATEVER YOU WANT -- PASSES AND SOMEBODY VOTES AGAINST

11:41:21 IT AS AN ORDINANCE WANT TO COME OUT AGAINST THE ENTIRE

11:41:21 OFFERED NANCE.

11:41:25 I THINK THAT IS A GOOD COURTESY TO OUR COLLEAGUES SO WE

11:41:27 CAN DISPOSE OF THOSE ISSUES AS WELL.

11:41:29 SOMETHING I TALKED ABOUT AS WELL WITH REGARD TO THE

11:41:30 5-5-1.

11:41:34 MY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EITHER HAVE

11:41:40 IT BE -- THE -- THE VOTE FROM THE NAACP CONFIRMED BY

11:41:41 CITY COUNCIL.

11:41:44 SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD VERY BRIEFLY ADDRESS

11:41:48 IS, IF -- DO WE WANT THAT VOTE FROM -- THAT SEAT FROM

11:41:53 THE NAACP CONFIRMED BY A VOTE OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

11:41:58 JUST SOMETHING TO THROW IN THERE THAT I THINK MAY, YOU

11:42:01 KNOW, BE RELEVANT TO SOME OF THE MY COLLEAGUES.

11:42:02 I THROW THAT OUT THERE.

11:42:06 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM FOLKS ON THAT.

11:42:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO TO MR. MIRANDA AND COME BACK TO

11:42:09 YOU.

11:42:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA ON

11:42:15 THE POINT OF THE NAACP.

11:42:18 I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS -- IT IS INCUMBENT ON ALL OF

11:42:19 US TO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN

11:42:22 LEADING THE CHARGE FOR THE RIGHT THING TO BE DONE FOR

11:42:24 MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.

11:42:27 AND THEY ARE THE ONES, IN MY BOOK ANYWAY, THAT I AM

11:42:31 SURE ALL OF US FEEL THE SAME WAY, AT A NATIONAL LEVEL,

11:42:34 STATE LEVEL AND NATIONAL LEVEL, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT

11:42:37 REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE DEARLY AND THEIR

11:42:40 NEED OF LEADERSHIP LIKE WE ARE NEED OF LEADERSHIP AT

11:42:40 TIMES.

11:42:44 AND I AGREE WITH MR. DINGFELDER ON FIRST READING.

11:42:49 HOWEVER, I DISAGREE ON THE METHOD OF FIRST READING.

11:42:52 IN OTHER WORDS, THE METHOD OF FIRST READING TO BE A

11:42:55 COMPARABLE OF TWO AND THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS WHICH ONE

11:42:57 IS ACCEPTABLE TO US.

11:42:59 AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE ON FIRST READING.

11:43:02 SO IF WE BRING A NEW ORDINANCE TODAY ON FIRST READING

11:43:04 OF 5-5-1.

11:43:07 THAT IS STILL ON FIRST READING AND STILL CAN BE PASSED

11:43:07 IN TWO WEEKS.

11:43:10 SO THE TIME RESTRAINT IS NOT A LOSS.

11:43:14 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WAS TAKEN BY ONE

11:43:18 COUNCILMEMBER OR THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBER, BUT THE

11:43:21 MAJORITY OF COUNCIL DIDN'T VOTE ON WHICH ORDINANCE THEY

11:43:22 WANT.

11:43:24 I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PRESENT AN ORDINANCE OF

11:43:25 5-5-1.

11:43:30 SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON 5-5-1 OR 7-4.

11:43:34 I THINK THAT IS INCUMBENT AFTER THE TWO ITEMS THAT MR.

11:43:36 DINGFELDER SPOKE ABOUT AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

11:43:39 I AGREE WITH THAT.

11:43:44 WANT THE PUBLIC ENTITLED WHAT WE SAID, HOW WE SAID IT,

11:43:45 AND HOW WE VOTED.

11:43:48 BELIEVE ME WHAT I SEE IN POLITICAL ARENAS, THIS IS

11:43:52 GOING TO BE AN ELECTION FOR 2023.

11:43:55 THIS WILL BE WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK YOU.

11:43:58 SO BE PREPARED TO FACE THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE IN MY BOOK,

11:44:01 THAT IS A FIRST THING THEY WANT TO KNOW.

11:44:02 COVERED TODAY.

11:44:03 COME OUT VARIOUS TIMES.

11:44:05 AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

11:44:08 I AM NOT AFRAID TO DEFEND MY STAND.

11:44:10 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:44:14 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO AND THEN CITRO.

11:44:17 GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL STOP AFTER THIS.

11:44:20 COUNSEL CITRO WITH THE NAACP APPOINTMENT.

11:44:24 AN APPOINTMENT BY THE NAACP AND CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR

11:44:28 OR CONFIRMED AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

11:44:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.

11:44:31 MARTIN SHELBY: THE OPTIONS ARE PREPARED BY THE CITY

11:44:35 ATTORNEY AND I KNOW SHE IS ONLINE, MY UNDERSTANDING AND

11:44:38 RECOLLECTION AND WANT HER TO CONFIRM THAT, PRESENTLY AS

11:44:42 DRAFTED THE APPOINTMENT IS BY CITY COUNCIL.

11:44:45 AND NOT BY THE NAACP.

11:44:49 THAT PERSON HAS THE QUALIFICATION OF BEING A MEMBER OF

11:44:50 THE NAACP.

11:44:53 IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S CHOICE SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION OF

11:44:54 THE MAYOR.

11:44:55 THAT IS WHAT IT IS PRESENTLY.

11:44:56 NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

11:45:00 NOT APPOINTMENT BY THE MAYOR, CONFIRMATION BY CITY

11:45:01 COUNCIL.

11:45:03 CITY COUNCIL THAT MAKES THE DECISION AND PRESENTS THAT

11:45:04 TO THE MAYOR.

11:45:08 IF THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM OR CLARIFY

11:45:12 BECAUSE THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OF WHAT COUNCIL IS

11:45:13 BEING GIVEN.

11:45:17 ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES.

11:45:21 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

11:45:23 GINA GRIMES: I THINK IT IS ON NOW.

11:45:26 CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

11:45:28 CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

11:45:31 ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MA'AM, I CAN HEAR YOU.

11:45:34 GINA GRIMES: I AM NOT CLEAR ON WHAT MR. SHELBY JUST

11:45:37 STATED, BUT THE CURRENT VERSIONS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY,

11:45:42 THE WAY THEY ARE STRUCTURED IS THAT THE COUNCIL WILL

11:45:44 MAKE THE APPOINTMENT.

11:45:46 THEY WILL BE THE APPOINTING BODY OF WHETHER IT IS THE

11:45:51 NAACP OR A CIVIL RIGHTS SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION AND

11:45:54 THAT APPOINTMENT WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THE

11:45:56 CONFIRMATION OF THE MAYOR.

11:46:02 SO WE CAN MODIFY IT IF WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THE NAACP TO

11:46:06 NOMINATE AND THEN COUNCIL APPOINT AND THE MAYOR

11:46:08 CONFIRM.

11:46:10 IT CAN BE STRUCTURED THAT WAY AS WELL.

11:46:12 GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL THEN TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT AND

11:46:17 I WILL JUST SAY AND WRAP UP WITH I TRUST MY COLLEAGUES.

11:46:20 I TRUST YOU ALL HERE AND I TRUST THE NAACP.

11:46:23 WHOEVER IS, SAY, NOMINATED OR APPOINTED TO BE ON THE

11:46:25 BOARD, THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

11:46:28 WHY WOULD IT NEED MAYORAL APPROVAL?

11:46:30 WE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE LAYERS OF TRUST.

11:46:33 OR AM I COMPLICATING IT TOO MUCH.

11:46:37 IF YVETTE LEWIS OF THE NAACP SAYS THIS IS WHO WE

11:46:39 NOMINATE FOR THE BOARD OR WHO WANTS TO OBJECT BE THE

11:46:44 BOARD OR US AS CITY COUNCIL, WE -- WE CHOOSE SOMEBODY

11:46:46 FROM THE NAACP.

11:46:48 THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

11:46:51 WHY WOULD IT NEED FURTHER APPROVAL?

11:46:55 ANY THOUGHT?

11:46:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO AND COME BACK -- BECAUSE I

11:47:04 HAVE MY OWN SPIEL WITH REFERENCE TO THE NAACP.

11:47:05 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:47:07 I NEED TO MAKE MYSELF CLEAR.

11:47:13 AND -- I AM SURE LIKE THE REST OF US HAVE GOTTEN A LOT

11:47:15 OF CALLS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE NAACP.

11:47:19 AND I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION THAT I AM A CARD CARRYING

11:47:21 MEMBER OF THE NAACP.

11:47:23 I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT THE

11:47:30 NAACP DOES AND HAS DONE.

11:47:34 BUT I ALSO HEARD FROM OTHER SOCIAL JUSTICE

11:47:41 ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE LBGT.

11:47:44 WE HEAR FROM A PERSON WHO COMES DOWN QUITE OFTEN WHO

11:47:51 HAS THEIR COMPLAINTS ABOUT TPD AND TALK OF GAY, LESBIAN

11:47:54 AND TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.

11:47:58 WE ALSO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WITHIN THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY

11:48:00 THAT ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE HAVING THEIR TROUBLES

11:48:03 WITH TPD.

11:48:09 MY THOUGHT, MY IDEA, AND WHEN I PUT IT OUT THERE WAS

11:48:20 TO BE INCLUSIVE OF ALL SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS.

11:48:22 THIS IS A VOTE THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE.

11:48:25 BUT I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE MYSELF CLEAR.

11:48:28 MY INTENTION WAS NOT TO TAKE AWAY THE GREAT

11:48:36 ORGANIZATION OF THE NAACP BUT JUST TO INCLUDE OTHER

11:48:39 SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS.

11:48:42 SHOULD THE TIME COME IN THE FUTURE.

11:48:45 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:48:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.

11:48:50 CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THIS

11:48:53 TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND I

11:48:58 WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE THE NAACP TO BE THE 11TH MEMBER

11:49:01 OF THE CRB BOARD.

11:49:04 ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION

11:49:05 FOR MYSELF.

11:49:08 JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL SECOND.

11:49:14 ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS, GENTLEMEN.

11:49:17 THERE ARE SIX COUNCILMEMBERS IN HERE.

11:49:19 AND I SEE ONE, TWO, THREE, AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

11:49:23 I DON'T USE THE WORD AFRICAN-AMERICANS -- I AM BLACK

11:49:23 MAN.

11:49:27 I NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA.

11:49:28 I WOULD LOVE TO GO.

11:49:29 I AM AN AMERICAN.

11:49:30 I AM A BLACK MAN IN AMERICA.

11:49:33 I HAVE ANCESTORS FROM AFRICA, BUT FOR ME, I AM A BLACK

11:49:35 MAN WHO LIVES IN AMERICA.

11:49:37 I KNOW WHAT RACISM IS.

11:49:39 I KNOW RACISM IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

11:49:40 WENT THROUGH IT.

11:49:45 I KNOW WHAT RACISM IS IN A COMMUNITY.

11:49:48 THE OTHER TWO AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN HERE, THEY FACED IT.

11:49:50 THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS.

11:49:55 BUT IT SICKENS ME WHEN I HEAR CERTAIN COMMENTS FROM

11:49:57 CERTAIN FOLKS.

11:50:00 COUNCILMAN GUDES DON'T WANT THE NAACP TO BE PART OF THE

11:50:01 BOARD.

11:50:03 HOGWASH AND BULL.

11:50:04 NEVER, EVER SAID THAT.

11:50:08 AND I AM SICK OF HEARING THAT GARBAGE.

11:50:12 ABOUT SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST --

11:50:14 DON'T LIKE ME OR WHATEVER.

11:50:15 I DON'T GET INTO THAT.

11:50:18 AND I GET INTO THE FACTS.

11:50:23 THE FACT IS, MISS GRIMES SAID THAT ACLU DID NOT WANT

11:50:25 TO BE A PART OF THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS A

11:50:29 CONFLICT OF INTEREST THEY HAD A DIRECTOR ON THE BOARD.

11:50:31 I THOUGHT OF THAT LONG AND HARD.

11:50:34 LET'S PROTECT THE LONGEST SERVING ORGANIZATION TO -- IN

11:50:39 CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE CITY, GOD FORBID AND MAY

11:50:42 HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF CAMERAS, AND BECOME A CONFLICT

11:50:45 -- IT CREATES A PROBLEM FOR THAT BOARD.

11:50:48 AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, WELL, LET'S HAVE THE NAACP BUT

11:50:49 A MEMBER.

11:50:52 A MEMBER OF THE SOCIAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING

11:50:53 LIKE THAT.

11:50:56 BUT NOT THE DIRECTOR OF THE EXECUTIVE STAFF.

11:50:57 I STILL STAND BY THAT.

11:51:00 AND MR. CITRO TALKED OF SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP.

11:51:06 I GOT CALLS FROM -- YOU KNOW HIS LOCKET THAT RUN OTHER

11:51:07 SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUPS.

11:51:11 TAMPA FOR JUSTICE AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL.

11:51:16 I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NAACP IF THAT IS THE

11:51:17 PERSON ON THE BOARD.

11:51:19 I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUES WITH THAT.

11:51:21 LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR.

11:51:24 BUT AS A PERSON, I HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY'S

11:51:24 CONCERNS.

11:51:28 AND THAT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT EVERYBODY.

11:51:32 I AM JUST SAYING, I KNOW SOME COUNCILMEMBERS, THE

11:51:36 NAACP, THEY DON'T WANT TO CROSS THIS AND THAT.

11:51:37 I GET THAT.

11:51:38 THE POLITICS WITH THAT.

11:51:41 REELECTION AIN'T A BIG DEAL.

11:51:44 PEOPLE LIKE WHAT I HAVE DONE, THEY VOTE ME IN.

11:51:48 IF THEY DON'T, I AM HAPPY.

11:51:52 TRY COACH FOOTBALL AND I AM SERIOUS OF THAT.

11:51:53 ELECTION TIME.

11:51:56 I DID A HELL OF A JOB OF THE CITIZENS OF MY DISTRICT.

11:51:58 THEY LIKE WHAT I DID, I AM BACK.

11:52:00 IF THEY DON'T THINK WHAT I DID.

11:52:01 I DO WHAT I DID.

11:52:05 AND TAKE MY HAT OFF TO THE FENCE IS AND MOVE ON WITH

11:52:06 THE NEXT CHAPTER.

11:52:08 I DIDN'T AGREE EVERYTHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT

11:52:09 DID OVER THERE.

11:52:11 AS A BLACK MAN.

11:52:13 BUT I WENT THROUGH IT.

11:52:15 GOT THROUGH IT.

11:52:16 THAT CHAPTER IS OVER IN MY LIFE.

11:52:20 I DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND WHEN IT COMES TO THIS

11:52:21 CITY COUNCIL.

11:52:22 ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE.

11:52:27 ALL THE SENIORS ARE NOT GOING TO GO EVERYBODY WAY ALL

11:52:27 THE TIME.

11:52:29 I STAY ALL THE TIME.

11:52:33 TO GET DEALS DONE AND GET THINGS MOVING.

11:52:36 SO LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR ABOUT THE NAACP.

11:52:38 I LOVE THE NAACP.

11:52:41 FOLKS THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT FIGHT FOR JUSTICE IN

11:52:43 OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I STAND BY.

11:52:46 I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THEM BEING ON THE BOARD BUT

11:52:51 I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH AN EXECUTIVE MEMBER, HAVING

11:52:53 SOMEONE FROM THEIR SOCIAL JUSTICE -- I DON'T THINK

11:52:56 ANYBODY IN THE EXECUTIVE BODY BECAUSE IT TAINTS THE

11:52:57 BOARD A LITTLE BIT.

11:52:58 THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.

11:53:00 I STAND BY IT.

11:53:04 IF THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD DESIRES, THE BOARD DESIRES.

11:53:07 OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE NAACP.

11:53:09 MR. MIRANDA HAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND MR.

11:53:11 DINGFELDER HAS SECONDED IT.

11:53:12 ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT?

11:53:16 THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THE NAACP BE THE SOLE PERSON

11:53:20 ON THAT BOARD NO MATTER WHO -- WHO IS NOMINATED FOR

11:53:24 EXECUTIVE BOARD OR MEMBER OF ANOTHER BRANCH.

11:53:27 THAT CORRECT, MR. MIRANDA.

11:53:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR

11:53:32 CLARIFICATION AND TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO THE LEGAL

11:53:33 DEPARTMENT AND TO THE CLERK.

11:53:36 I THINK WE WILL JUST GO BACK TO THE LANGUAGE THAT, YOU

11:53:42 KNOW, THAT WE HAD AS RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM,

11:53:43 NAACP.

11:53:49 WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ATLANTA WE HAVE TO MONDAY.

11:53:53 ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES, WHAT IS THAT LANGUAGE?

11:53:56 GINA GRIMES: THE LANGUAGE YOU HAVE ON MONDAY IS THAT

11:53:59 THE -- IT WAS -- LET ME GO BACK.

11:54:03 THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE ON FIRST READING THAT IS UP

11:54:09 FOR SECOND READING TODAY ON THE IS 7-4 WITH THE NAACP

11:54:16 BEING THE FOURTH -- OR BEING THE 11TH MEMBER.

11:54:20 THAT MEMBER WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.

11:54:29 THAT IS THE WAY IT IS STRUCTURED NOW.

11:54:35 ONE OF WHICH WILL BE A MEMBER OF THE NAACP.

11:54:40 THE OTHER OPTION THAT I -- THAT I HAVE DRAFTED AFTER

11:54:42 THE MEETING ON MONDAY.

11:54:46 I WENT BACK AND JUST OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION

11:54:52 WENT AHEAD AND DRAFTED A 5-5-1 VERSION ALSO WITH THAT

11:54:57 11TH -- THAT ONE MEMBER, THE 11TH MEMBER BEING

11:55:02 APPOINTED BY NAACP, BEING APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND

11:55:04 CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.

11:55:08 ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WAS MY REQUEST, MISS GRIMES.

11:55:10 GINA GRIMES: PARDON ME?

11:55:12 ORLANDO GUDES: MY REQUEST.

11:55:13 THAT'S CORRECT?

11:55:15 GINA GRIMES: YOU ARE CORRECT.

11:55:17 YOU ASKED ME AND MR. MIRANDA.

11:55:21 I TOLD BOTH OF YOU -- THAT I SPOKEN TO MISS LEWIS AND I

11:55:24 KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE AND I WENT AHEAD TO

11:55:28 PREPARE A FOURTH VERSION OF AN ORDINANCE SO WE WOULD BE

11:55:29 READY TODAY.

11:55:31 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:55:33 ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

11:55:36 JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE WE HAVE GOT IT REVERSED DEAL

11:55:42 WITH THE 5-5-1, 7-4 QUESTION FIRST AND THEN VOTE ON

11:55:44 THE NAACP QUESTION SECOND.

11:55:49 AND CONFORM THE NAACP PART INTO THAT 5-5.

11:55:52 BECAUSE AS MR. VIERA SUGGESTED AND I THINK MR.

11:55:56 MANISCALCO TOO AND MAYBE OTHERS, I THINK THEY SUGGESTED

11:56:04 THAT THE NAACP POSITION JUST BE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL

11:56:08 WHICH WILL THEN MAKE IT MORE OF A 6-5 INSTEAD OF THE

11:56:11 7-4 OR THE 5-5-1.

11:56:14 SO I DON'T KNOW, MR. MIRANDA, YOU MADE THE MOTION.

11:56:17 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DEFER -- DEFER IT FOR A SECOND

11:56:21 OR TWO UNTIL WE BANG OUT THAT OTHER ISSUE.

11:56:23 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAD SO MANY ISSUES HERE I THINK

11:56:26 THE PUBLIC IS CONFUSED.

11:56:31 BEFORE WE DISCUSS 7-4, 5-5, IN OUT, NO PLAY, YES PLAY,

11:56:33 ALL THAT.

11:56:35 AND BY THE WAY, I AM NOT COMING TO ANYONE'S OFFENSE.

11:56:39 I NEVER HEARD THE CHAIRMAN SPEAK BUT PRAISE FOR THE

11:56:40 NAACP.

11:56:44 HE NEVER TALKED NEGATIVE FROM WHAT I HEARD BY ANYWAY.

11:56:47 I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE SIR.

11:56:48 AND THERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT.

11:56:50 WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT FIRST.

11:56:52 ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK MR. SHELBY, THE

11:56:57 RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE AS WE LOOK AT THE 5-5-1.

11:56:59 THAT'S CORRECT, GENTLEMEN?

11:57:00 5-5-1.

11:57:05 JOHN DINGFELDER: 5-5-1, 6-5, OR 7-4.

11:57:06 BETWEEN THOSE THREE.

11:57:09 MARTIN SHELBY: IF I UNDERSTAND -- MARTIN SHELBY,

11:57:10 CITY COUNCIL.

11:57:12 ORLANDO GUDES: I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED.

11:57:14 NOW I AM GETTING CONFUSED.

11:57:17 WHAT I AM HEARING NOW -- WE ARE SAYING NOW WE ARE GOING

11:57:21 TO SHIFT AND SAY 5-5 AND ONE ON THE SIDE WILL BE SOLELY

11:57:24 RECOMMENDED BY THIS COUNCIL, THAT'S CORRECT?

11:57:27 JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS WHAT I AM CALLING THE 6-5.

11:57:30 GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS SAYING THAT COUNCIL APPROVED

11:57:33 THE NAACP NOMINEE.

11:57:35 CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS, IF I MAY.

11:57:37 LET'S GO TO SOMETHING PRACTICAL AND SOMETHING PRACTICAL

11:57:38 AND POLITICAL.

11:57:42 NO MAYOR THAT I KNOW OF IS DUMB ENOUGH IF THIS COUNCIL

11:57:47 PASSES SOMETHING 7-0, LET'S SAY -- I AM JUST SAYING

11:57:47 THAT.

11:57:51 I AM NOT GOING IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT MAYOR IS

11:57:52 STUPID ENOUGH TO SAY NO.

11:57:54 I AM NOT TALKING OF THIS MAYOR.

11:57:56 I AM TALKING ABOUT ANY MAYOR.

11:57:59 WHO IS GOING TO FIGHT OVER THAT?

11:58:00 NO ONE.

11:58:01 SO WHAT ARE WE DOING?

11:58:04 TRYING TO MAKING IS NEW THAT IS NOT NEW?

11:58:05 I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

11:58:06 YOU GOT ME CONFUSED.

11:58:09 MAYBE IT IS EASIER TO GET ME CONFUSED BUT I DON'T THINK

11:58:10 IT IS.

11:58:15 SOMETIMES I ACT LIKE A DUMMY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE

11:58:16 DUMMIES ARE ASKING ME FOR.

11:58:19 WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, TELL BEE IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE

11:58:23 THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO TURN DOWN A COUNCIL IF THEY

11:58:28 SELECT SOMEONE, SOMEBODY TO BE 7-0 OR 6-1 OR 5-2.

11:58:30 DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?

11:58:33 LIKE GOING FISH CAN AND THINKING YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A

11:58:34 BALL GAME.

11:58:36 YOU ARE GOING TO CATCH FISH.

11:58:39 TO ME IT'S -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.

11:58:43 DO YOU THINK THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO DO THAT?

11:58:43 REALLY?

11:58:45 I AM NOT TRYING TO KNOCK ANYBODY OUT.

11:58:48 BUT DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO GO

11:58:51 AGAINST ANYBODY WHETHER IT IS US OR SOMEBODY ELSE

11:58:54 SITTING IN THESE CHAIRS UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS?

11:58:56 I DON'T THINK SO.

11:58:58 IT WOULD BE SUICIDAL.

11:59:00 ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME DO THIS, MR. MIRANDA.

11:59:06 WE NEED TO WIND THIS DOWN AND BRING IT FOR A LANDING.

11:59:08 I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO OPTIONS.

11:59:09 THREE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.

11:59:11 NARROW IT DOWN REAL QUICK.

11:59:13 WE WILL DO -- JUST A SECOND.

11:59:15 NOT GO INTO A LONG DISCUSSION.

11:59:22 BOTTOM LINE IS YOU HAVE A, B AND NOW A C ON THIS TABLE

11:59:22 HERE.

11:59:24 NOW WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS ON MONDAY.

11:59:28 I GUESS THE ADMINISTRATION WAS PREPARED FOR TWO ITEMS.

11:59:31 NOW WE HAVE A THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

11:59:33 IT IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO DO BUSINESS, BUT, AGAIN, I AM

11:59:35 ONE PERSON.

11:59:39 AND THERE ARE SIX OTHER PEOPLE.

11:59:41 SO NOW IF WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS INTO A LANDING,

11:59:47 THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT REALISTICALLY --

11:59:49 REALISTICALLY.

11:59:52 IF YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING WHAT ARE YOUR TOP

11:59:56 TWO CHOICES SO MR. BENNETT IS CLEAR AND MAKE HIS PHONE

11:59:59 CALLS TO THE MAYOR AND WE MOVE ON.

12:00:02 IS THIS GOING TO KEEP GOING THROUGH THIS COURSE.

12:00:03 YOU MAKE YOUR TOP TWO.

12:00:06 MR. BENNETT MAKES HIS PHONE CALL AND WE END IT.

12:00:09 WHEREVER IT GOES, IT GOES.

12:00:12 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TOP TWO?

12:00:14 ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING AROUND THE TABLE.

12:00:16 WHAT ARE YOUR TOP TWO.

12:00:18 YOU HAVE THREE -- I MEAN, I AM NOT GOING TO SAY I AM

12:00:23 GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS.

12:00:25 WE GOT TO BRING IT FOR A LEFT HANDING.

12:00:29 MR. SHELBY YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND THEN I WILL LET MR.

12:00:31 BENNETT.

12:00:35 MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, FORGIVE ME FOR BEING SLOW ON

12:00:36 THE UPTAKE.

12:00:38 I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY AND THE PUBLIC AND

12:00:41 ADMINISTRATION ARE AWARE OF THE THOUGHT PROCESSES THAT

12:00:44 COUNCIL IS GOING THROUGH WITH REGARD TO THE OPTION.

12:00:48 I DON'T HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING -- MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT

12:00:49 PEOPLE ARE VOTING ON.

12:00:55 SEVERAL OPTIONS AND THEY HAVE GROWN BECAUSE OF WHAT

12:00:57 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO RAISED.

12:01:00 TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, THE 5-5-1.

12:01:01 AND WHAT IS THE ONE.

12:01:03 AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WANTED TO IN THE INTEREST OF

12:01:08 CLEARING IT UP AS OPPOSED TO VERSUS -- ANOTHER OPTION

12:01:11 ON THE TABLE IS WHAT ALREADY EXISTS FOR SECOND READING.

12:01:14 AND THAT IS WHAT COUNCIL VOTED ON FOR FIRST READING.

12:01:17 JUST REMEMBER THAT AS WELL BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU DO IF

12:01:18 THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE THAN THAT, REQUIRES A

12:01:20 SUBSTITUTION.

12:01:22 DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?

12:01:24 SO THAT BEING THE CASE, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE UNLESS

12:01:26 COUNCIL FEELS DIFFERENTLY.

12:01:30 THIS IS YOUR MEETING, YOUR DISCUSSION, BUT RESOLVE THE

12:01:33 ISSUE OF THE APPOINTMENTS FIRST, THE BREAKDOWN AND DO

12:01:40 THE SPECIFICITY OF HOW THAT LAST ONE NEEDS TO BE DONE.

12:01:45 UNLESS -- UNLESS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MADE A TOTALLY

12:01:48 DIFFERENT MOTION AND I DIDN'T HEAR IT.

12:01:54 ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND DINGFELDER.

12:01:57 LUIS VIERA: I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF -- OF US TALKING

12:02:01 ABOUT OUR TWO HIGHEST PREFERENCES AND THEN MAYBE TAKING

12:02:04 TIME FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO TALK OR SOMETHING OF

12:02:06 THAT NATURE.

12:02:12 I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THIS DISPOSITIVE ISSUE FAST AND

12:02:15 DISPOSE OF IT AND MOVE FORWARD, WHATNOT.

12:02:16 THAT'S IT.

12:02:18 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:02:21 JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

12:02:24 I -- I PERSONALLY WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS GOING BE

12:02:27 TOO THIRD OPTION THIS MORNING.

12:02:29 I WAS RESIGNED TO THE FACT IT WAS GOING TO BE EITHER

12:02:35 7-4 OR 5-5-1.

12:02:40 BUT NOW THERE HAS BEEN ANOTHER SUGGESTION FROM AT LEAST

12:02:43 TWO OF OUR MEMBERS.

12:02:48 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE THREE CHOICES.

12:02:52 SOMETIMES LIKE WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO BE CHAIRMAN, THERE

12:02:56 MIGHT BE THREE PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES GET NOMINATED AND WE

12:02:57 DEAL WITH IT.

12:02:59 SO I THINK THAT IS HOW WE SHOULD DEAL WITH IT.

12:03:04 IF THERE ARE THREE CHOICES, WE SHOULD -- PUT THAT --

12:03:06 PUT THAT OUT THERE.

12:03:11 AND EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON WHAT THOSE THREE CHOICES ARE,

12:03:13 MAKE A VOTE RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

12:03:16 AND SEE -- SEE IF THE THREE CHOICES GET FOUR VOTES.

12:03:20 I MEAN ONE OF THOSE THREE CHOICES.

12:03:23 IF ONE OF THOSE THREE VOICES GET A VOTE, THAT IS THE

12:03:23 CHOICE.

12:03:27 THAT IS THE CHOICE AND WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.

12:03:31 I THINK WE ARE ALL PRETTY CLEAR ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S

12:03:33 PREFERENCE.

12:03:38 THEY HAVE STATED IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, BUT NOW WE ARE

12:03:41 THE LEGISLATIVE BODY AND MAKE THAT LEGISLATIVE CHOICE.

12:03:44 MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD URGE TO YOU MOVE FORWARD, SAY PUT

12:03:47 THOSE THREE CHOICES ON THE FLOOR.

12:03:50 EACH ONE OF US WILL STATE WHAT THOSE -- WHAT OUR

12:03:50 PREFERENCE IS.

12:03:53 OUR NUMBER ONE PREFERENCE OUT OF THOSE THREE CHOICES

12:03:59 AND SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.

12:04:01 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:04:02 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:04:05 MAYBE I AM INCORRECT ON ONE ITEM OR TWO ITEMS.

12:04:09 TELL ME THAT THE PERSON THAT THE MAYOR NOMINATES FOR

12:04:12 THE COMMITTEE THAT IS NOT RATIFIED BY THIS COUNCIL.

12:04:13 CAN YOU TELL ME ONE PERSON?

12:04:16 JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE MADE OBJECTIONS BEFORE IN

12:04:17 THE PAST.

12:04:19 CHARLIE MIRANDA: OBJECTIONS.

12:04:23 SO WHAT IF ONE OF US WAS MAYOR AND YOU SEND THINGS DOWN

12:04:26 TO THE COUNCIL TO GET CONFIRMED.

12:04:27 YES OR NO.

12:04:29 HAPPENS EVERY DAY, EVERY MONTH.

12:04:31 EVERY YEAR -- NOT EVERY DAY, BUT IT HAPPENS.

12:04:36 HOW DO YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE ON THE OTHER SEAT?

12:04:38 WHEN YOU VOTE ON SOMETHING, YOU GOT TO FEEL WHAT YOU

12:04:40 THINK IS RIGHT.

12:04:43 AND THEN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PRESENT IT.

12:04:47 SO ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANY MAYOR, THIS MAYOR, ANY

12:04:49 FUTURE MAYOR AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT?

12:04:53 YOU WANT TO START A NEGATIVE THING INSTEAD OF SHAKE

12:04:57 HANDS ON SOMETHING THAT TO ME WORDS DON'T MEAN MUCH,

12:05:00 BUT IF YOU SHAKE SOMEBODY'S HAND, THAT IS A CONTRACT,

12:05:02 WHERE I COME FROM.

12:05:05 AND I BELIEVE WHERE YOU COME FROM, MR. GUDES.

12:05:10 BECAUSE THE ONLY THING ENOUGH YOUR LIFE IS A YOUR WORD

12:05:11 AND A HANDSHAKE.

12:05:12 THAT'S IT.

12:05:16 THE REST COMES AND GOES WITH THE WIND.

12:05:19 WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR?

12:05:23 WHY AM I GOING TO UPSET THIS MAYOR OR ANY MAYOR THAT WE

12:05:28 HAVE TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OF, THE APPOINTEES TO ANY

12:05:33 BOARD.

12:05:37 WHEN WE ARE NOT GOING TO OFFER THAT MAYOR THE SAME

12:05:37 THING.

12:05:42 I AM NOT PRO-MAYOR, ANTI-MAYOR, PRO COUNCIL,

12:05:46 ANTI-COUNCIL, I TRY TO BE AS FAIR AS I CAN FROM A

12:05:49 STREET EXPERIENCE NOT A COUNCIL EXPERIENCE.

12:05:54 YOU GIVE A HAND SHAKE AND YOU VIOLATE THAT YOU ARE IN A

12:05:55 HELL OF DEEP TROUBLE.

12:05:58 NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, YOUR WORD IS THE ONLY THING

12:06:02 YOU HAVE AND YOUR HANDSHAKE IS THAT CONTRACT.

12:06:04 THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:06:08 ORLANDO GUDES: LET MR. BENNETT CHIME IN, AND WE WILL

12:06:11 COME BACK.

12:06:14 GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.

12:06:15 GOOD AFTERNOON, PUBLIC.

12:06:19 I WILL STAY VERY NARROW AND PRESCRIPTIVE FOR THE SAKE

12:06:21 OF MY TIME MANAGEMENT.

12:06:26 BUT ON MONDAY WE LEFT WITH THE 7-4, THE 5-5-1 OPTION.

12:06:30 WHAT I HEARD COUNCIL SAY AND I BELIEVE MISS GRIMES WENT

12:06:35 BACK TO SUPPORT WITH SUBSTITUTIONS WAS THAT COUNCIL

12:06:38 ASKED SPECIFICALLY IF -- IF THEY MADE THE

12:06:43 RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 11TH POSITION OR THE ONE

12:06:46 POSITION, AND THE MAYOR CONFIRMED IT IN THAT ORDER AND

12:06:49 WE SAID THAT WAS FINE, EITHER WAY, AND WE HEARD IT

12:06:53 COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OR THAT

12:06:55 NOMINATION AND THE MAYOR WOULD CONFIRM IT.

12:07:00 IF IT REVERSES ITSELF, THAT IS OKAY BY THE

12:07:01 ADMINISTRATION MEANING IF THE MAYOR MADE THE

12:07:04 RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL CONFIRMED IT.

12:07:07 EITHER ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS WORK FOR THE

12:07:11 ADMINISTRATION IN SUPPORT OF THE CRB, BUT I WILL ALSO

12:07:13 SAY JUST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE

12:07:18 THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, THE MAYOR SUPPORTED THE SEAT

12:07:20 FROM THE NAACP.

12:07:24 I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, BUT WE CAME IN WITH

12:07:28 A 5-5-1 OPTION AND THE SECOND READING REQUESTS FOR

12:07:31 SUBSTITUTIONS ON THE 7-4, BUT THE ADMINISTRATION

12:07:35 SPECIFICALLY SUPPORTS THE 5-5-1 OPTION AND EITHER THE

12:07:38 RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL APPROVAL FROM MAYOR ON THE

12:07:42 ONE, IDEALLY FROM THE NAACP OR THE REVERSE WHERE IT IS

12:07:45 RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND CONFIRMED BY COUNCIL.

12:07:46 EITHER WAY IS FINE.

12:07:47 THANK YOU.

12:07:53 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM

12:07:53 YOU.

12:07:55 BILL CARLSON: I AM THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOTION FOR

12:07:56 THE 7-4.

12:07:59 SO I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THAT.

12:08:01 NOW TWO OTHER OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.

12:08:04 BUT I WANTED TO ASK MR. MIRANDA, BASED ON ALL THE

12:08:08 THINGS YOU SAID, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TODAY THAT WE --

12:08:12 THAT WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON A -- ON A 4-3 VOTE OR A

12:08:13 5-2 VOTE.

12:08:15 DO YOU THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A -- YOU SAID

12:08:19 THAT THE MAYOR TYPICALLY WOULD NOT CHALLENGE, BUT IS IT

12:08:24 IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE FIVE VOTES OR FOUR VOTES.

12:08:28 CHARLIE MIRANDA: A FIVE VOTE, A 5-2 VOTE MEAN THAT

12:08:35 YOU -- YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE THE POWER OF STRENGTH OF

12:08:38 NUMBERS THAT THE MAYOR CANNOT OVERRIDE.

12:08:42 BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAYOR OR WHOEVER THE MAYOR

12:08:44 WILL OVERRIDE A 4-3 VOTE.

12:08:46 SO FOR THE PROCESS IN MY MIND.

12:08:49 THE PROCESS TO FIND OUT WHOEVER THE MAYOR MAY BE AT

12:08:52 THAT TIME BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO LAST FOR A YEAR OR

12:08:56 TWO OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, IF IT IS A 4-3.

12:08:57 IT STILL PASSES.

12:08:59 IF IT IS A 5-2, IT PASSES.

12:09:04 DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE MAYOR -- THE MAYOR MAYBE OBJECT

12:09:08 TO 5-2 BECAUSE NEVER BROUGHT TO THAT MAYOR'S ATTENTION

12:09:11 TO VOTE YEA OR NAY.

12:09:14 UP UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS SAYING BUT AHEAD OF THE TIME

12:09:16 BECAUSE NEVER GAVE THE POSITION OF THE MAYOR THE RIGHT

12:09:18 TO REJECT WHAT THE COUNCIL DID.

12:09:21 I AM MAKING ASSUMPTION IF IT COMES BACK, IT WILL STAY

12:09:22 5-2.

12:09:25 THAT IS THE ONLY THING I AM THINKING OF.

12:09:26 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:09:28 BILL CARLSON: I CAN TALK FOR A LONG TIME BUT TWO

12:09:30 OTHER QUICK THINGS.

12:09:36 ONE, I WANT TO SAY TO ALL THE PARTIES I APPRECIATE

12:09:37 THEIR COLLABORATION ON THIS.

12:09:40 AS I MENTIONED BEFORE I SET UP A MEETING WITH SEVERAL

12:09:44 GROUPS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND HAPPENED TO

12:09:48 BE ON THE SAME DAY THE MAYOR MADE HER ANNOUNCEMENT ON

12:09:51 THE FIRST REVISION AND THAT ALREADY WAS AN IMPROVEMENT,

12:09:54 BUT THE MAYOR ALLOWED US TO HAVE THAT NEGOTIATION

12:09:56 DISCUSSION THAT AFTERNOON EVEN THOUGH SHE HAD JUST HAD

12:09:58 A PRESS CONFERENCE.

12:10:03 THANK MR. BENNETT, THE MAYOR, MISS GRIMES AND OTHERS

12:10:06 AND ALL THE PARTIES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE GONE

12:10:06 THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

12:10:10 NOBODY IS HAPPY.

12:10:12 NOBODY IS HAPPY ON EITHER SIDE.

12:10:14 EVERYBODY IS UPSET WITH US BUT I WANT TO APPRECIATE IN

12:10:18 AND HOWEVER WE END UP TODAY, I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THAT

12:10:18 PROCESS.

12:10:21 AND ALSO, WE HAVE -- FOR EVERYBODY WHO IS WATCHING,

12:10:23 THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THIS.

12:10:25 I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A RED LINE FROM THE ORIGINAL

12:10:26 VERSION.

12:10:28 IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED

12:10:31 AS AN ACTIVIST SIX YEARS AGO.

12:10:33 IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL

12:10:35 VERSION BY THE WAY IT WAS CREATED, WHICH WAS NOT GOOD

12:10:36 FOR THE COMMUNITY.

12:10:38 IT WAS VERY DIVISIVE.

12:10:41 AND THIS HAS BEEN -- I THINK IT HAS BEEN HEATED AT

12:10:45 TIMES BUT A VERY GOOD COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, AND

12:10:48 WHATEVER WE END UP WITH TODAY WON'T BE PERFECT BUT WE

12:10:50 CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK OR

12:10:54 NEED TO MAKE OTHER TWEAKS AND CHANGES IN THE FUTURE WE

12:10:55 CAN DO THAT AS WELL.

12:10:57 THANK YOU.

12:10:58 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO.

12:11:00 GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO CLARIFY.

12:11:03 I THINK I CONFUSED THE CONVERSATION HERE, BUT I AM NOT

12:11:04 CREATING A THIRD OPTION.

12:11:10 THERE IS A 5-5, AND THAT ONE BY NAACP.

12:11:13 WHY DOES THAT NAACP NEED TO BE CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.

12:11:17 IS IT NOT GOOD -- IF THE NAACP SAY THIS IS WHO WE

12:11:21 NOMINATED OR WANT TO APPOINT TO THE BOARD, COUNCIL, WE

12:11:24 CAN GET YOUR APPROVAL LIKE WE APPROVE A DEPARTMENT

12:11:27 HEAD, POLICE CHIEF, CONTRACT OR WHATEVER.

12:11:29 IT DOESN'T GO TO MAYOR FOR APPROVAL.

12:11:33 NAACP SAYS, YOU KNOW PERSON WHATEVER, COUNCIL APPROVES

12:11:34 IT.

12:11:34 AND THAT'S IT.

12:11:38 NOT A THIRD OPTION, JUST A CAVEAT.

12:11:43 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT.

12:11:47 YES, SIR?

12:11:49 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.

12:11:52 TO THAT POINT, WE LEFT ON MONDAY WITH THE AGREEMENT

12:11:56 THAT COUNCIL WOULD NOMINATE THE POSITION FROM WHETHER

12:11:59 IT WAS NAACP, WHICH THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED SOME TIME

12:12:02 BACK AND HAS BEEN BAKED INTO THIS FROM THE BEGINNING

12:12:06 AND THEN COUNCIL PROVIDED THE OTHER OPTION FOR A CIVIL

12:12:10 LIBERTY GROUP FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP WHICH WE WERE

12:12:15 AMENABLE TO AND AMENABLE OF THE MAYOR NOMINATING AND

12:12:18 COUNCIL NOMINEE AND APPROVAL BUT THAT BALANCE STILL

12:12:18 REMAINS.

12:12:23 5-5-1 WITH EITHER COUNCIL NOMINATING, MAYOR APPROVING

12:12:27 OR MAYOR NOMINATING AND COUNCIL APPROVING.

12:12:28 NOT JUST ONE SIDE.

12:12:31 WE WANT FOR A COMPLETELY BALANCED UNBIASED BOARD WITH

12:12:33 PROGRESSION AND WE BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT WE SUBMITTED

12:12:35 FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW.

12:12:36 THANK YOU.

12:12:39 ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME ASK YOU THIS TO YOU, MR.

12:12:40 BENNETT.

12:12:42 I AM HEARING FROM COUNCILMEMBERS.

12:12:47 TRYING TO BE THE PEACEMAKER FOR BOTH SIDES TO KEEP THE

12:12:50 BALANCE.

12:12:53 AND I DO RESPECT THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION TO --

12:13:00 ABOUT THE -- THE SWITCHEROO ON THAT LAST -- THAT ONE

12:13:02 OPTION.

12:13:06 BUT MR. MANISCALCO DOES MAKE A POINT.

12:13:12 AND IT IS NOT TOO UNBALANCED TO BOARD AT ALL.

12:13:18 BUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS AMENABLE SAYING THE NAACP

12:13:24 IS THE PERSON, AND THEY SELECT THAT -- THEY -- THIS

12:13:27 BODY CONFIRM THAT PERSON, REALLY -- WHAT IS THE

12:13:31 LIKELIHOOD THE MAYOR WILL NOT GO WITH THE

12:13:32 RECOMMENDATION OF THAT PERSON.

12:13:34 I GO BACK TO MR. MIRANDA.

12:13:37 IF WE SAY 7-0 PEOPLE SAY THIS IS THE PERSON FROM THE

12:13:41 NAACP, I DON'T THINK THE MAYOR.

12:13:43 WHY WOULD THEY NOT GIVE THAT RECOMMENDATION OF

12:13:44 APPROVAL.

12:13:46 THAT A BARGAINING CHIP?

12:13:49 I COULDN'T MANAGE IN A MAYOR WOULDN'T CONFIRM THAT

12:13:52 POSITION, BUT AGAIN A FORMALITY TO KEEP THE BALANCE.

12:13:55 AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE AGREEMENT WAS ON MONDAY

12:13:58 WHETHER SHE RECOMMENDS COUNCIL CONFIRMS OR THE OTHER

12:13:59 WAY AROUND.

12:14:03 AND SHE IS THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED THE NAACP BE PART OF

12:14:05 THAT 11TH POSITION.

12:14:07 SO I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT A STANDING MEMBER OR A MEMBER

12:14:12 OF GOOD STANDING OF THE NAACP WOULDN'T ACHIEVE HER

12:14:16 CONFIRMATION FROM COUNCIL, JUST A WAY TO MAKE SURE --

12:14:19 AGAIN, I THINK ONE THING -- AND I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO

12:14:22 GET INTO PHILOSOPHY THIS MORNING BECAUSE WE ARE BUSY,

12:14:25 BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SENSE OF BALANCE HERE IS --

12:14:27 THERE HAS BEEN TIMES WHERE IT IS SAID, WHAT HAPPENS IF

12:14:32 THIS MAYOR COMES INTO OFFICE AND TIMES IT SAYS WHAT IF

12:14:34 THIS COUNCIL COMES -- THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE BALT.

12:14:37 IT LIVES IN A CONSISTENT STATE OF BALANCE TO PROTECT

12:14:43 THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

12:14:44 I SAID IT MONDAY.

12:14:49 THE MAYOR MOVED FROM A 7-4 PURPOSELY TO THE 5-5-1 TO

12:14:51 CREATE THAT BALANCE AND ALL I AM ASKING TO CLOSE IT OUT

12:14:56 TODAY IS WHATEVER THE COUNCIL'S WISHES AS FAR AS FIRST

12:14:59 AND SECOND READING TO MAINTAIN THAT BALANCE AND IF

12:15:04 COUNCIL RECOMMENDS, MAYOR CONFIRMS, MAYOR RECOMMENDS,

12:15:07 COUNCIL CONFIRMS, IT DIDN'T MATTER TO US.

12:15:09 JUST AS IT DIDN'T MATTER SOCIAL JUSTICE OR CIVIL

12:15:13 LIBERTIES BUT THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED NAACP AS A PREMIERE

12:15:15 ORGANIZATION TO SUPPORT THE CRB.

12:15:19 SO IN THE SPIRIT OF IT, I CAN'T EVER FIGURE THAT THIS

12:15:22 MAYOR OR ANY OTHER MAYOR WOULDN'T JUST CONFIRM THE

12:15:25 NOMINATION, BUT TO KEEP THINGS IN A PERFECTLY BALANCED

12:15:30 ECOSYSTEM, THE ADMINISTRATION STANDS BY THE BALANCE --

12:15:33 THE BALANCE OF THAT ORDINANCE.

12:15:35 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:15:37 LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:15:39 WHEN I SPOKE ON THIS ISSUE THERE WAS CONCERN THE MAYOR

12:15:41 IS CONFIRMING THIS.

12:15:44 I SAID WHAT IF THERE IS CONSULTATION OF THE MAYOR AND

12:15:45 CITY COUNCIL CONFIRMS IT.

12:15:50 I THINK CREATING -- GOSH ALMIGHTY, THIS REMINDS ME OF

12:15:51 THE LEGAL PRACTICE WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO SETTLE THE

12:15:56 CASE AND 99.9% AND END UP SPENDING 100% OF THE NEXT

12:15:57 WEEK ON .1%.

12:16:00 I DON'T WANT TO GO IN A RABBIT HOLE HERE AT ALL WHICH

12:16:02 WE ARE AT RISK OF DOING.

12:16:05 WHAT I WAS SAYING IS CONFIRM BY CITY COUNCIL IN

12:16:08 CONSULTATION OF THE MAYOR, NEARLY REVERSE GOING.

12:16:11 NOT NECESSARILY CREATING A THIRD OPTION THAT WILL KEEP

12:16:13 US HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

12:16:15 I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK

12:16:17 THAT IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO.

12:16:21 BUT JUST MY VIEW.

12:16:26 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER.

12:16:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: AS YOU SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, TRYING TO

12:16:30 GET A CONSENSUS.

12:16:33 MAYBE I CAN -- MAYBE I CAN PUT TOGETHER A MOTION.

12:16:35 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY.

12:16:35 I AM NOT.

12:16:37 YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY, I AM NOT.

12:16:39 JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME SEE IF I CAN PUT TOGETHER A

12:16:42 MOTION THAT GATHERS A CONSENSUS.

12:16:49 SO I WILL MOVE THAT -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION BASICALLY

12:16:54 -- IT'S A MODIFIED 5-5-1.

12:17:04 AS MR. MANISCALCO STATED THE 5 AND THE 5 IS JUST, YOU

12:17:05 KNOW STRAIGHTFORWARD.

12:17:11 AND THE SINGLE POSITION WOULD BE A NAACP POSITION THAT

12:17:18 THEY CAN NOMINATE TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE WILL APPROVE

12:17:20 IT BY RESOLUTION.

12:17:23 THAT IS THE 11TH POSITION.

12:17:24 GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL SECOND THAT.

12:17:27 AND REMEMBER WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS

12:17:29 DISAGREED WITH A 5-2 VOTE.

12:17:33 I CAN'T SAY HOW WOULD A MAYOR NOT VOTE FOR THIS OR NOT

12:17:34 APPROVE FOR THAT.

12:17:37 WE ARE AT A STALEMATE AND WE ARE HERE IN A NEGOTIATION.

12:17:39 I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

12:17:43 THE 5-5 WITH THE ONE YOU DESCRIBED AS THE NAACP.

12:17:45 ORLANDO GUDES: REPEAT THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER.

12:17:48 JOHN DINGFELDER: FIVE APPOINTMENTS BY THE MAYOR,

12:17:52 FIVE APPOINTMENTS BY COUNCIL, AND THE 11TH APPOINTMENT

12:17:59 WOULD BE NOMINATED BY THE LOCAL NAACP BOARD, PROVIDED

12:18:04 TO US, CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE IT

12:18:06 BY RESOLUTION.

12:18:10 GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXACTLY, SECOND.

12:18:12 LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE

12:18:14 DON'T THROW OFF THE BALANCE HERE.

12:18:17 DOES THAT HAVE ANY CONSULTATION WITH ANY OTHER OFFICE

12:18:20 OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE IN TERMS OF THE MAKER OF THE

12:18:22 MOTION?

12:18:24 JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM --

12:18:26 LUIS VIERA: LIKE WITH -- IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE --

12:18:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEAN IN CONSULTATION WITH THE

12:18:31 NAACP.

12:18:33 THEY ARE GOING TO NOMINATE SOMEBODY.

12:18:36 LUIS VIERA: AND WE APPROVE IT.

12:18:39 JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY SEND IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE

12:18:41 PRIV.BY RESOLUTION.

12:18:42 WE APPROVE IT BY RESOLUTION.

12:18:44 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:18:49 BILL CARLSON: THE PART YOU LEFT OUT WAS THE MAYOR

12:18:50 IMPROVING IT.

12:18:51 WAS THAT INTENTIONAL.

12:18:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: I HATE TO INSCRIBE ANY INTENT TO

12:18:56 ANYBODY.

12:18:58 IT IS WHAT IT IS AS WE SAY.

12:18:59 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.

12:19:02 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR COUNCIL'S CLARITY, THAT ALSO

12:19:06 THE APPOINTMENT OF THE MEMBER OF THE NAACP IS DIFFERENT

12:19:08 THAN WHAT YOUR ORDINANCE PRESENTLY READS.

12:19:12 IT STATES AS FOLLOWS: ONE OF WHICH SHALL BE A MEMBER

12:19:16 OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF

12:19:18 COLORED PEOPLE, NAACP.

12:19:21 IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING -- IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING

12:19:22 ABOUT --

12:19:25 JOHN DINGFELDER: I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. SHELBY.

12:19:27 AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

12:19:31 A MEMBER OF THE NAACP AS RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD OF

12:19:35 THE NAACP AND PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL AND THIS COUNCIL

12:19:39 WILL APPROVE THAT OR SEND IT BACK IF WE DON'T APPROVE

12:19:44 IT, WE WOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE NAACP.

12:19:46 AND TELL THEM TO SEND US ANOTHER ONE.

12:19:49 I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT THEY SEND US.

12:19:53 THIS IS INHERENT IN OUR VOTE, BUT THAT WOULD BE BY

12:19:55 RESOLUTION.

12:19:58 GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

12:20:01 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. DINGFELDER.

12:20:02 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

12:20:05 MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR DISCUSSION.

12:20:06 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BENNETT WANTS

12:20:07 TO SPEAK.

12:20:08 HE SPRUNG UP.

12:20:11 HE MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THE MIC.

12:20:13 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT.

12:20:15 AS I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, I WOULD AGREE WITH

12:20:17 EVERYTHING EXCEPT LEAVING THE MAYOR OUT OF THE

12:20:22 CONFIRMATION BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT A DEFAULT 6-5.

12:20:28 CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS A BIT.

12:20:34 THIS IS LIKE COLOMBO CHASING A CASE, YOU WALK IN, WALK

12:20:37 OUT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND YOU ALREADY

12:20:37 FIGURED IT OUT.

12:20:40 SO THE MAYOR IS GOING TO RECOMMEND AND WE ARE GOING TO

12:20:43 CONFIRM BY RESOLUTION --

12:20:46 JOHN DINGFELDER: NO OPINION THAT IS NOT THE MOTION.

12:20:48 CHARLIE MIRANDA: GOTCHA.

12:20:53 SEE THAT COLOMBO.

12:20:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHERE IS YOUR RAINCOAT.

12:20:58 CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN THE OLD CAR THAT I DRIVE.

12:21:01 ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE YOU CLARIFY, LET ME MAKE ONE

12:21:04 POINT, BECAUSE MR. BENNETT KEEPS POPPING UP.

12:21:07 JUST HOW WE ARE MEETING HERE WITH THAT LAST

12:21:15 APPOINTMENT, WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT OF US -- I MEAN, THAT

12:21:19 LAST PERSON.

12:21:22 WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT?

12:21:25 WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT OF US MEET.

12:21:28 JOHN DINGFELDER: SHE IS NOT PART OF OUR LEGISLATIVE

12:21:30 BODY.

12:21:32 ORLANDO GUDES: A DISCUSSION -- KEEP THE BALANCE FROM

12:21:33 THE ADMINISTRATION.

12:21:35 I KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING.

12:21:38 JUST THROWING THAT AT YOU, SIR.

12:21:39 MR. VIERA?

12:21:42 LUIS VIERA: I MEAN --

12:21:43 ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO BRING THIS FOR A LANDING.

12:21:47 LUIS VIERA: I AGREE.

12:21:50 SUCH A TINY ISSUE ON CONSULTATION.

12:21:52 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE SELF-DEFEATING.

12:21:54 A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS?

12:21:56 JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK THAT IS HEALTHY.

12:21:56 I DON'T KNOW.

12:21:59 I MEAN BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD WONDER WHY ARE WE

12:22:00 RECESSING.

12:22:05 ARE WE RECESSING TO TALK WITH EACH OTHER?

12:22:09 LUIS VIERA: NO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

12:22:11 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT?

12:22:13 JOHN DINGFELDER: A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND CLARIFY

12:22:15 IT TO MR. MIRANDA.

12:22:18 MR. MIRANDA, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THAT -- THAT

12:22:24 11TH SEAT, THE NAACP BOARD SELECTS ONE OF THEIR NAACP

12:22:25 MEMBERS.

12:22:28 THEY SEND THAT OVER AS THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO US.

12:22:33 AND WE WOULD APPROVE IT OR DENY IT BY RESOLUTION ONLY.

12:22:34 OKAY.

12:22:39 IF WE DENY IT, WE WILL ASK THEM TO SEND ANOTHER NAME.

12:22:40 AND THAT'S IT.

12:22:44 THAT IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND.

12:22:45 CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME ASK THIS IF I MAY.

12:22:49 AND I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR MOTIVE, MR. DINGFELDER.

12:22:50 SO JUST BY NAME.

12:22:54 ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION OF THAT PERSON?

12:22:56 JOHN DINGFELDER: THE PERSON HAS TO QUALIFY BY ALL

12:23:00 THE OTHER CHARACTER STACKS THAT ARE IN MISS GRIMES.

12:23:03 THE ORDINANCE THAT MISS GRIMES HAS PUT FORTH.

12:23:05 ALL THOSE OTHER CHARACTERISTICS.

12:23:07 CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOW WE ARE GOING INTO THE INTERNAL

12:23:10 OPERATION OF AN AGENCY THAT WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH.

12:23:13 THEY REPRESENT THE PUBLIC JUST LIKE WE DO.

12:23:16 BUT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.

12:23:20 AND THE BOARD VOTES ON IT AS I HEARD EARLIER FROM THIS

12:23:20 COUNCIL.

12:23:23 WHOEVER THEY RECOMMEND WOULD BE THE ACCEPTABLE PARTY.

12:23:25 NOW WE ARE SAYING WE MAY NOT ACCEPT THE ACCEPTABLE

12:23:29 PARTY BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON AND IT HAVEN'T BEEN

12:23:31 ELABORATED WHAT THE REASON IS.

12:23:33 WE REJECT THE PARTY.

12:23:36 BUT BEFORE IT WAS THE MAYOR MAKING A CHOICE AND THAT IS

12:23:36 CONFIRMING.

12:23:41 NOW IT IS -- WHY DO WE CONVOLUTE -- ORDERING SPAGHETTI

12:23:44 AND GETTING A FILET MIGNON.

12:23:46 YOU GET WHAT YOU ORDER.

12:23:48 WHAT ARE WE ORDERING HERE?

12:23:50 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT.

12:23:53 I REALLY BELIEVE WITH A FULL HEARTFELT INTEREST IN

12:23:57 EVERY PARTY ARE BOTH LEGISLATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE BODIES,

12:24:01 EXECUTIVE BODY AND THE PUBLIC AND SPECIAL INTEREST

12:24:03 GROUP, IF IT WAS CHANNELLED AS A RECOMMENDATION THROUGH

12:24:06 THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND COUNCIL CONFIRMED IT, WOULD YOU

12:24:09 SEND UP IN THE SAME THING -- END UP IN THE SAME THING

12:24:12 WITH THE BALANCED APPROACH OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO

12:24:15 WITH THE CRB AND IT ACTUALLY IS VERY ORGANIC AND FULLY

12:24:17 TRANSPARENT.

12:24:19 WOULDN'T BE LIKE COUNCIL DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A

12:24:21 RECOMMENDATION OF THAT NAME, BUT JUST BE CONFIRMED BY

12:24:26 -- AND -- AND RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL

12:24:26 CONFIRMS IT.

12:24:30 IT DOES REVERSE WHAT WE TALKED WITH MONDAY BUT GIVES

12:24:33 COUNCIL THE FINAL SAY TO PUT THAT PERSON ON THE BOARD

12:24:35 AND I THINK THE MAYOR, ALL THEY ARE DOING IS FORWARDING

12:24:39 THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE NAACP TO DOWN MAKE THE

12:24:40 CONFIRMATION.

12:24:44 AND THIS CREATES THE BALANCE WITH THE COUNCIL HAVING

12:24:48 THE FINAL -- FINAL CONFIRMATION OF THE PERSON ON THE

12:24:49 NAACP.

12:24:53 IT SEEMS MORE LIKE A PROCESS TO ME THAT ENDS IN THE

12:24:54 SAME RESULT.

12:24:56 ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW MR. VIERA.

12:24:58 THEN MR. CARLSON.

12:25:00 LUIS VIERA: THAT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH

12:25:05 MY COMMENT THAT THE FINAL RESTS WITH TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

12:25:06 ON THAT VOTE.

12:25:10 NOT ANY RADICAL, YOU KNOW, DEPARTURE FROM WHAT OUR

12:25:11 MONDAY AGREEMENT IS.

12:25:13 THAT IS WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT.

12:25:16 MONDAY, WE HAD TWO OPTIONS, AND NOW WE ARE GOING OFF

12:25:18 AND THIS IS GOING TO GO ON A TRAIN RIDE I DON'T THINK

12:25:24 ANY OF US INTENDED TO GO ON.

12:25:28 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, ASAW YOUR HAND.

12:25:31 BILL CARLSON: I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MR. DINGFELDER.

12:25:34 IF THE REST OF YOU GOT CALLS LIKE I GOT UNTIL 11:00

12:25:36 LAST NIGHT.

12:25:39 I AM BEEN GETTING THEM NONSTOP FROM EVERYBODY.

12:25:42 THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTED BY THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE THIS

12:25:45 MORNING WANT -- THEY FEEL LIKE THEY COMPROMISED WAY

12:25:47 MORE THAN THE OTHER SIDE.

12:25:52 AND THEY FEEL LIKE 7-4 IS A HUGE COMPROMISE AS THEY

12:25:56 SAID IN SOME OTHER CITIES THE MAYOR HAS ONE OR TWO

12:26:00 APPOINTMENTS AND 7-4, THERE WOULD BE FOUR.

12:26:02 THEY ARE AGAINST A 5-5-5.

12:26:07 THE PART I CAN'T SPEAK FOR YOU BUT I IMAGINE IS, IF --

12:26:14 IF IT -- IF THE CITY COUNCIL IS CONFIRMING THE NAACP,

12:26:19 THEN AT LEAST IT -- IT IN A WAY GIVES THE COMMUNITY ONE

12:26:19 MORE VOTE.

12:26:21 IT IS NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.

12:26:25 THE COMMUNITY WOULD RATHER HAVE 7-4 AND ALL THE OTHER

12:26:28 THINGS THEY ASKED FOR OR 9-2 OR SOMETHING.

12:26:34 ANYWAY, IT'S -- IF -- IF WE WERE -- IF WE ARE GOING TO

12:26:38 MAKE EVERYBODY UNHAPPY WHATEVER WE DO, BUT THAT -- IF

12:26:41 THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT, IT WOULD -- IT WOULD LIKE

12:26:45 THE COMMUNITY SLIGHTLY MORE HAPPY THAN JUST 5-5-1.

12:26:48 ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO BE HONEST JUST HEARING

12:26:51 THE DISCUSSIONS AND HEARING EVERYBODY TALK, I DON'T SEE

12:26:53 A 7-4 PASSING.

12:26:54 HEARING THE COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.

12:26:59 I DO HEAR THE 5-5 AND THE 1.

12:27:07 WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCIL APPOINTING THE ONE.

12:27:10 I DO HEAR THAT.

12:27:12 SO THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER.

12:27:15 MADAM CLERK.

12:27:18 CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER.

12:27:20 DINGFELDER MADE THE MOTION AND MANISCALCO SECONDED.

12:27:22 CLERK: YES.

12:27:23 IT IS -- HOLD ON.

12:27:24 LET ME GO BACK.

12:27:29 A MEMBER OF THE NAACP RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD OF THE

12:27:33 -- OF THE NAACP AND COUNCIL DOES NOT APPROVE, THEN IT

12:27:35 WOULD BE SENT BACK WITH THE REQUEST WITH ANOTHER

12:27:40 RECOMMENDATION AND IT WILL BE APPROVED BY A RESOLUTION.

12:27:41 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:27:43 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:27:46 JOHN DINGFELDER: JOE, WOULD YOU -- WERE YOU LOOKING

12:27:46 TO TALK?

12:27:49 BECAUSE I ALREADY TALKED ONCE OR TWICE.

12:27:50 THAT'S OKAY.



12:27:51 JOHN DINGFELDER: I WANTED TO REINFORCE WHAT MR. CARLSON

12:27:52 SAID.

12:27:53 I WAS PREPARED TO COME HERE TODAY TO SAY LET'S PASS THE MAY

12:27:58 VOTE, WHICH WAS 7-4-1, THAT HAD FIVE VOTES.

12:28:06 THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TODAY IS A SIGNIFICANT COMPROMISE

12:28:11 FROM THE 7-4-1 THAT FIVE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL VOTED FOR

12:28:16 IN MAY.

12:28:16 I'M STATING THAT FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR, BUT I'M ALSO

12:28:21 STATING THAT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR,

12:28:25 AND WE DIDN'T AGREE ON ANYTHING ON MONDAY.

12:28:29 WE PUT OTHER IDEAS ON THE TABLE TO BRING BACK TODAY, BUT

12:28:32 THERE WAS NO HARD AND FAST VOTE.

12:28:34 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE CORRECT.

12:28:35 YOU'RE CORRECT.

12:28:36 JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

12:28:39 ANYWAY, I AM PERSONALLY RECEIVING FROM THE 7-4-1, AND I'M

12:28:43 WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS COMPROMISE OF THE 5-5-1 AS MODIFIED

12:28:48 TODAY.

12:28:53 JOHN BENNETT: TRUST ME, I'M NOT TRYING TO HAVE THE LAST

12:28:56 WORD.

12:28:57 I WILL SAY THAT THE MAYOR WENT FROM 7-4 TO 5-5-1.

12:29:01 SHE DID THE SAME THING TO INITIATE THE BALANCE OF THE BOARD.

12:29:04 I ALSO WANT TO SAY, AND I APPRECIATE MR. CARLSON RECOGNIZING

12:29:07 THAT, THAT THIS ENTIRE THING IS BALANCED ON A RIP AND

12:29:11 REPLACE FROM THE PREVIOUS SIX YEARS TO GIVE A NEW START IN A




12:29:15 VERY BALANCED, UNBIASED AND PROGRESSIVE WAY.

12:29:18 I KEEP USING THOSE THREE WORDS.

12:29:21 THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS A 6-5, AND IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY

12:29:24 THE ADMINISTRATION.

12:29:31 JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.

12:29:32 I CALL THE QUESTION.

12:29:38 MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME.

12:29:38 IF YOU'RE CALLING THE QUESTION, I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT.

12:29:42 JOHN DINGFELDER: I HEAR YOUR PROCEDURAL CONCERNS.

12:29:45 MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

12:29:47 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.

12:29:48 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE ARE READY TO VOTE ON SOMETHING MR.

12:29:51 DINGFELDER JUST SPOKE ABOUT, AM I CORRECT?

12:29:53 WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE 6-5, RIGHT?

12:29:56 IF I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, THAT MOTION TAKES OVER THE

12:30:00 CURRENT MOTION ON THE FLOOR, AM I CORRECT?

12:30:05 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, MR. SHELBY.

12:30:07 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE, AND I WILL CONFIRM ROBERT'S

12:30:09 RULES OF ORDER CAN ENTERTAIN A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

12:30:13 THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION DOES REQUIRE A SECOND, AND THAT DOES

12:30:17 REQUIRE A VOTE WHETHER TO TAKE UP THE SUBSTITUTION.

12:30:20 IF THE SUBSTITUTION PASSES, THEN THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS

12:30:23 REPLACED.

12:30:23 AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT'S NOT SUBSTITUTED.

12:30:26 I JUST HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP.




12:30:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.

12:30:30 CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO SUBSTITUTE THE

12:30:33 DOCUMENT LABELED EXHIBIT A, 6.17.21, WHICH IS THE NAACP

12:30:43 CLEAR FOR EXHIBIT A, CURRENTLY ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE

12:30:46 LISTED AS ITEM 64 ON TODAY'S COUNCIL, JUNE 17th AGENDA, TO

12:30:55 MOVE TO SUBSTITUTE REVISION FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH THE ONE BEING

12:31:02 FROM THE NAACP, CONFIRMED BY THIS COUNCIL, APPROVED BY THE

12:31:07 MAYOR.

12:31:11 ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. CITRO.

12:31:13 MR. SHELBY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AND WE'LL GO TO MR. VIERA.

12:31:17 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, IT'S

12:31:20 CALLED AMEND A PENDING MOTION THAT THE SUBSIDIARY MOTION.

12:31:25 IT DOES REQUIRE A SECOND, IT HAS BEEN.

12:31:28 IF THE MOTION IS AMENDABLE, I BELIEVE IT'S DEBATABLE AS WELL

12:31:33 AND IT REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE FOR THAT.

12:31:36 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FOR FIRST READING MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:31:38 IF YOU PASS IT TODAY ON FIRST READING, TWO WEEKS MIGHT HAVE

12:31:48 THE SECOND READING.

12:31:49 IT IS THE SAME ONE.

12:31:50 SAME THING WE'VE DONE.

12:31:53 MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:31:55 NORMALLY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, BUT

12:32:00 BECAUSE OF COUNCIL'S SUMMER RECESS, THE SECOND READING, AND

12:32:03 THE CLERK CAN CONFIRM THAT, WOULD BE JULY 15th, AM I

12:32:06 CORRECT, MADAM CLERK?




12:32:08 THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.

12:32:10 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

12:32:20 JOHN BENNETT: GO ON THE RECORD, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO

12:32:23 POTENTIALLY CHANGE THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH A FIRST READING,

12:32:28 THE ADMINISTRATION DOES SUPPORT THAT.

12:32:31 HOWEVER, IF THERE WAS A FUTURE MOTION MADE THAT MADE IT

12:32:34 SECOND READING, WE WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THAT.

12:32:37 WE BELIEVE IT'S LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE.

12:32:42 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, IS THIS A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE FROM

12:32:44 THE FIRST READING?

12:32:45 I DON'T KNOW.

12:32:50 JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. GRIMES, CAN YOU CHIME IN?

12:32:52 MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.

12:32:53 MS. GRIMES, CAN YOU CHIME IN WHETHER OR NOT MR. MIRANDA'S

12:32:58 SUBSTITUTE MOTION, ASSUMING IT PASSES, COULD BE ADOPTED

12:33:04 SECOND READING TODAY SINCE IT'S MERELY A CHANGE OF THE

12:33:07 EXHIBIT?

12:33:11 GINA GRIMES: YES, SIR.

12:33:11 WE COVERED THIS AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY, AS I SAID THEN,

12:33:15 THE CHANGE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING FROM 7-4 TO

12:33:19 5-5-1 COULD BE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE, BUT IT'S NOT IRONCLAD.

12:33:26 ANYTIME YOU MAKE A CHANGE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING,

12:33:29 YOU ALWAYS CREATE A RISK OF A CHALLENGE.

12:33:33 AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT MR. MIRANDA IS TRYING TO GET AT.

12:33:37 HE'S TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE RISK OF A CHALLENGE.




12:33:40 AND FOR THAT REASON, HE WANTS TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING.

12:33:45 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S RIGHT.

12:33:50 JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS MOTION BY

12:33:53 COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA IS FOR WHAT -- CONFIRMED BY CITY

12:33:57 COUNCIL WITH CONSULTATION, RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER YOU WANT

12:34:00 TO CALL IT WITH THE MAYOR, CORRECT?

12:34:03 CORRECT.

12:34:03 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A

12:34:05 FRIENDLY -- A VERY FRIENDLY MODIFICATION?

12:34:10 CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET'S SEE HOW FRIENDLY IT IS.

12:34:12 JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST DEAL WITH THE MEAT OF YOUR MOTION

12:34:15 AND PULL OUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FIRST OR SECOND READING,

12:34:19 AND LET'S VOTE ON THAT IF IT PASSES.

12:34:21 SO THAT WAY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO BE

12:34:24 DONE WITH THIS TODAY OR NOT AS A SEPARATE PART OF YOUR

12:34:27 MOTION.

12:34:27 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SORRY.

12:34:28 I MISSED IT.

12:34:29 TELL ME THAT AGAIN.

12:34:30 JOHN DINGFELDER: IF YOU JUST MAKE THE MOTION, THE

12:34:33 SUBSTANTIVE PART, BUT DELETE THE FIRST READING OR SECOND

12:34:37 READING PART, SO THAT WAY COUNCIL CAN VOTE ON THAT

12:34:42 SEPARATELY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK, WHO

12:34:45 WOULD BE GLAD TO BE DONE WITH THIS, EVEN IF THERE IS A

12:34:47 SLIGHT RISK.




12:34:49 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.

12:34:50 BUT MY FEELING, MR. DINGFELDER, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH

12:34:53 THIS EXERCISE TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

12:34:56 AND I REALLY WANT TO NARROW IT DOWN TO WHERE THERE IS NO

12:34:59 RISK.

12:34:59 ANYTIME YOU TAKE A GAMBLE ON SOMETHING, WE SPENT A LONG

12:35:04 TIME.

12:35:05 THE PUBLIC HAS LISTENED TO THIS FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS, NOT

12:35:07 WEEKS, BUT MONTHS, AND THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE SOME

12:35:11 UNIFICATION, IF IT PASSES OR DOESN'T PASS.

12:35:17 THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THAT.

12:35:18 AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF US.

12:35:20 BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING -- YOU CAN'T EVEN GO TO A COFFEE

12:35:23 SHOP AND THEY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE.

12:35:26 IT IS WHAT IT IS.

12:35:27 I JUST WANT TO GET ALL THE RISK OUT.

12:35:31 TO SAY IT HAPPENED OR DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS WAY.

12:35:33 AND THAT'S ALL I WANT.

12:35:34 THE PUBLIC HAS HEARD THIS ENOUGH.

12:35:37 IT'S BEEN MORE LIKELY NATIONAL NEWS AS FAR AS WE KNOW.

12:35:40 IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH US AT LEAST FOR THE

12:35:45 END OF OUR TERM IN OFFICE.

12:35:47 BELIEVE ME, THESE WILL BE THINGS THAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT

12:35:49 DURING THE ELECTION.

12:35:50 THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND BECAUSE IT IS THE NERVE THAT




12:35:55 TOUCHES THE FEELINGS OF EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR OR

12:35:57 AGAINST.

12:35:57 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, SINCE MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT

12:36:00 WASN'T WELL RECEIVED, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION

12:36:05 ON TOP OF MR. MIRANDA'S SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WHICH IS JUST TO

12:36:09 TWEAK HIS SLIGHTLY AND SAY THAT IT WOULD BE SECOND READING

12:36:14 TODAY.

12:36:14 AND I'M JUST ASKING YOU PROCEDURALLY, CAN I MAKE A

12:36:18 SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON TOP OF A SUBSTITUTE MOTION?

12:36:21 I'M NOT TRYING TO ADDRESS THE MERITS OR THE SUBSTANCE OF THE

12:36:24 MOTION.

12:36:25 I'M JUST SAYING PROCEDURALLY, I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THAT WE

12:36:28 WANT SOME FINALITY TODAY.

12:36:30 THAT'S PURELY A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

12:36:36 CAN I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON A SUBSTITUTE MOTION?

12:36:43 MARTIN SHELBY: A SUBSTITUTE OF A SUBSTITUTE?

12:36:45 WELL, JUST FROM AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS HAPPENING

12:36:50 STANDPOINT, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

12:36:54 AND IF MR. MASSEY IS THERE, MR. MASSEY IS WELL VERSED TO

12:36:58 BACK ME UP ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK OF

12:37:00 SOMETHING OF SUCH GREAT IMPORT TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE

12:37:04 ADMINISTRATION AND TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THE ANSWER WOULD BE TO

12:37:09 SEE IF THAT SUBSTITUTE PASSES, THAT SUBSTITUTE MAY BE

12:37:14 AMENDABLE AS WELL, AND THAT MIGHT BE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION.

12:37:17 I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE -- I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT WOULD




12:37:20 BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME TO HAVE A

12:37:22 SUBSIDIARY MOTION OF A SUBSIDIARY MOTION AND AT WHAT POINT

12:37:27 DOES THAT STOP?

12:37:28 I THINK YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

12:37:30 THAT'S MR. MIRANDA'S.

12:37:31 I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT UP.

12:37:32 IF HIS MOTION IS STILL IN NEED OF TWEAKING, THEN YOU CAN

12:37:36 MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND AND SEE IF THAT SUFFICES.

12:37:39 THAT WOULD BE MY BEST RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST THEN

12:37:41 EVERYBODY CAN FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

12:37:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S FINE.

12:37:44 YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOTION CAN BE RAISED AFTER, IF IT PASSES.

12:37:48 MARTIN SHELBY: IF IT PASSES.

12:37:49 THE KEY NOW, THAT MOTION OF MR. MIRANDA WILL TAKE -- THIS

12:37:53 VOTE IS DETERMINATIVE ABOUT WHICH OF THOSE TWO MOTIONS, THE

12:37:56 ORIGINAL OR MR. MIRANDA'S, WILL TAKE PRECEDENCE AND COME TO

12:37:59 THE FLOOR.

12:38:02 ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, READ THE MOTION AGAIN.

12:38:04 MR. MIRANDA.

12:38:06 SECONDED BY MR. CITRO.

12:38:07 THE CLERK: MOVE TO SUBSTITUTE REVISION FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH

12:38:11 THE 1 BEING THE NAACP TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND

12:38:15 CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.

12:38:22 BILL CARLSON: ARE WE VOTING TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT OR

12:38:24 ARE WE VOTING ON THE ACTUAL SUBSTANCE OF IT?




12:38:28 ORLANDO GUDES: SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY -- [INAUDIBLE]

12:38:31 BILL CARLSON: ARE WE VOTING TO APPROVE THAT WE WANT TO

12:38:33 VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR ARE WE VOTING FOR THE

12:38:36 SUBSTITUTE MOTION --

12:38:38 ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE]

12:38:42 MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE VOTING -- THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT

12:38:45 DISTINCTION.

12:38:45 YOU'RE VOTING NOT ON THE SUBSTANCE OF IT.

12:38:47 YOU ARE VOTING TO ACCEPT IT AS A SUBSTITUTION TO THE MOTION

12:38:48 THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR.

12:38:50 YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE THAT MOTION.

12:38:57 LUIS VIERA: I THINK THAT BOTH OF THESE WILL WIND UP HAVING

12:38:59 THE VERY SAME OUTCOME.

12:39:01 THAT'S WHAT FRUSTRATES ME.

12:39:02 BOTH OF THESE WILL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME.

12:39:05 IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS ONE, IT WILL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME

12:39:08 AS PART TWO.

12:39:09 THERE SEEMS TO BE A NARRATIVE AFTER MONDAY, BUT I THINK BOTH

12:39:12 OF THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME.

12:39:14 FRANKLY, THEY CAN HAVE THE SAME VOTES.

12:39:17 WHATEVER.

12:39:18 ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, I'M CALLING FOR THE ROLL CALL

12:39:20 VOTE.

12:39:22 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:39:24 LUIS VIERA: YES.




12:39:27 JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.

12:39:32 GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.

12:39:33 BILL CARLSON: NO.

12:39:34 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:39:35 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:39:37 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO,

12:39:40 AND CARLSON VOTING NO.

12:39:43 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS NOW THE MOTION ON THE

12:39:45 FLOOR.

12:39:53 JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK HIS MOTION JUST MOOTED MY MOTION.

12:39:57 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE MOTION BY THE SECOND ON THE

12:39:59 FLOOR.

12:39:59 WHO IS THE SECONDER OF THAT MOTION?

12:40:07 LUIS VIERA: I NEED TO TAKE A PHONE CALL.

12:40:09 IT'S 12:40.

12:40:11 CAN WE HAVE A QUICK RECESS FIVE MINUTES?

12:40:15 I NEED TO TAKE A PHONE CALL FOR WORK.

12:40:20 JOHN DINGFELDER: YOUR PHONE CALL FROM WORK.

12:40:21 IT'S WORK RELATED.

12:40:22 LUIS VIERA: LEGAL WORK.

12:40:26 ORLANDO GUDES: FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.

12:40:29 [RECESS]

12:52:23 CHARACTER CLERK CARLSON?

12:52:24 BILL CARLSON: HERE.

12:52:25 GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.




12:52:26 JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

12:52:27 JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

12:52:28 LUIS VIERA: HERE.

12:52:29 CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

12:52:30 ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

12:52:34 LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY QUICKLY, I MOVED MY CALL TO 1:30.

12:52:37 JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, 1:30, I'VE GOT TO JUST FOR A LITTLE

12:52:41 BIT.

12:52:44 MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

12:52:46 FOR THE SAKE OF BRINGING US BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, WILL THE

12:52:49 CLERK PLEASE STATE WHAT THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR AND WHO

12:52:53 MADE IT AND WHO SECONDED IT?

12:52:56 THE CLERK: THE MOTION WAS MADE BY MIRANDA AND SECONDED BY

12:52:59 CITRO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SUBSTITUTE REVISION OF THE

12:53:02 5-5-1 WITH THE 1 BEING THE NAACP BOARD MEMBER TO BE APPROVED

12:53:08 BY COUNCIL AND CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.

12:53:13 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DID WE DO PROCEDURALLY BEFORE?

12:53:18 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS IT.

12:53:19 TO TAKE YOUR MOTION OFF THE FLOOR, MR. DINGFELDER AND

12:53:22 REPLACE IT WITH MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION.

12:53:23 JOHN DINGFELDER: MY MOTION IS NOW OFF THE FLOOR?

12:53:27 MARTIN SHELBY: YES, IT IS.

12:53:29 IT WAS SUBSTITUTED.

12:53:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, MAYOR MAKES A RECOMMENDATION

12:53:34 AND THIS COUNCIL APPROVES --




12:53:36 THE CLERK: NO.

12:53:36 THE NAACP NOMINATES THEIR BOARD MEMBER, YOU APPROVE IT, AND

12:53:42 THEN THE MAYOR CONFIRMS IT.

12:53:47 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, I KNOW YOU HAVE A MOTION ON

12:53:50 THE FLOOR.

12:53:51 WOULD YOU BE AMENDABLE TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, SIR?

12:53:54 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M AMENABLE TO ANYTHING.

12:53:57 ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN BRING IT TO A LANDING.

12:53:59 CHARLIE MIRANDA: CLARITY.

12:54:01 WHERE WE RECOMMEND SOMETHING TO THE MAYOR, I HAVE YET SEEN

12:54:03 ONE MAYOR REJECT IT.

12:54:04 EVER.

12:54:05 JUST GIVE ME ONE.

12:54:11 ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD ASK A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

12:54:15 WE DO A SWITCH.

12:54:17 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU WANT ME TO READ AN ORDINANCE?

12:54:19 ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WE SWITCHED

12:54:23 TO WHERE THE MAYOR RECOMMENDS AND WE APPROVE.

12:54:25 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE.

12:54:28 MARTIN SHELBY: THE SECONDER -- I'M SORRY.

12:54:30 THAT WAS AN AMENDMENT AND A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE

12:54:32 MOTION.

12:54:33 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION AGREES

12:54:36 WITH THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON

12:54:39 THAT MOTION TO AMEND?




12:54:46 JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

12:54:46 MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

12:54:49 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.

12:54:50 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE.

12:54:51 I TAKE IT.

12:54:51 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA MADE THE MOTION.

12:54:53 MR. CITRO SECONDED IT.

12:54:55 YOU CAN HAVE THE GAVEL.

12:54:59 MARTIN SHELBY: UNLESS --

12:55:01 ORLANDO GUDES: I DID A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

12:55:02 HE ACCEPTED IT.

12:55:04 JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU JUST SECONDED IT.

12:55:07 HE'S ALL GOOD.

12:55:08 CHARLIE MIRANDA: RIGHT.

12:55:11 MARTIN SHELBY: THE SECONDER OF A MOTION IS?

12:55:14 ORLANDO GUDES: CITRO.

12:55:15 MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T HEAR ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL SO

12:55:18 THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS ACCEPTED.

12:55:19 ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

12:55:20 WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:55:22 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:55:26 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:55:27 LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:55:28 JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.

12:55:30 GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.




12:55:32 BILL CARLSON: NO.

12:55:33 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:55:36 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO, AND

12:55:40 CARLSON VOTING NO.

12:55:44 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIR, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED?

12:55:47 THANK YOU.

12:55:47 MADAM CLERK, THEN, THAT WAS A MOTION TO SUBSTITUTE EXHIBIT

12:55:51 A.

12:55:52 THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.

12:55:54 MARTIN SHELBY: SO NOW WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THEN IS THE

12:55:57 SUBSTITUTE VERSION.

12:55:59 AND DO YOU HAVE -- I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE A CLEAN COPY OF

12:56:02 EXHIBIT A YET, DO YOU?

12:56:04 THAT WAS JUST MADE.

12:56:08 AND -- OKAY.

12:56:09 SO THERE IS A CLEAN COPY.

12:56:11 AND IT WAS UP THERE.

12:56:14 NOW IT HAS TO BE CHANGED NOW, AND IT'S BEING WORKED ON BY

12:56:20 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND WILL BE BROUGHT DOWN, THE CLEAN

12:56:23 VERSION.

12:56:23 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO.

12:56:24 YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

12:56:25 JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, ON ANY ORDINANCE BEFORE US RIGHT

12:56:31 NOW -- I WISH TO STRIKE THE WORDS SOCIAL JUSTICE

12:56:35 ORGANIZATION AND INPUT THE NAACP, THAT THERE BE NO




12:56:44 DISCUSSION ON WHO IT IS GOING TO BE, BUT THE MEMBER THAT

12:56:47 WILL COME UP ON THAT ONE VOTE WILL BE FROM THE NAACP, IF I

12:56:53 MAY FINISH.

12:56:54 THAT I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THE NAACP WILL FIGHT

12:57:05 FOR ALL PEOPLES OF COLOR NO MATTER WHAT THE COLOR BE, AND

12:57:11 THEY WILL ALSO FIGHT JUST AS HARD FOR ANY SEXUAL ORIENTATION

12:57:17 OR ANY RELIGION.

12:57:19 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:57:27 MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:57:28 I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING I BELIEVE BY

12:57:32 MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION, AND I MAY BE WRONG, AND IT MAY REQUIRE

12:57:36 CLARIFICATION FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, BUT BY HIS MOTION,

12:57:39 I BELIEVE IT WENT BACK TO THE NAACP, WHICH REPLACES THE

12:57:44 LANGUAGE SOCIAL JUSTICE AND CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.

12:57:48 IT SHOULD BE BEING PREPARED RIGHT NOW BY THE LEGAL

12:57:50 DEPARTMENT.

12:57:51 WITH REGARD TO ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, JUST WANT TO

12:57:55 BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION GENERALLY IN D-1, NOW THE SECOND

12:57:59 PARAGRAPH STATES WHEN APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE CRB, THE

12:58:02 MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER THE EXISTING DIVERSITY

12:58:06 COMPOSITION OF THE CRB AND SHALL ENDEAVOR TO APPOINT

12:58:09 INDIVIDUALS FROM DIFFERENT RACIAL, ETHNIC, GENDER, NATIONAL

12:58:13 ORIGIN, SOCIOECONOMIC, AGE, OR RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS.

12:58:17 THAT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS DRAFTED, AND IT APPEARS IN

12:58:20 THIS ORDINANCE.




12:58:21 I THINK THAT ADDRESSES -- I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS YOUR

12:58:25 CONCERNS, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WISH TO ADD.

12:58:28 JOSEPH CITRO: WORD THERE WAS CONSIDER.

12:58:29 MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THAT'S THE WORD.

12:58:31 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.

12:58:42 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS ASKING TO

12:58:44 BE RECOGNIZED.

12:58:45 ORLANDO GUDES: MS. ZELMAN.

12:58:49 ANDREA ZELMAN: THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF

12:58:51 WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE TO MATCH YOUR DIRECTIONS THIS

12:58:54 MORNING, AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK IN

12:58:58 MOMENTS.

12:59:05 BILL CARLSON: COULD THE CLERK OR SOMEBODY REPEAT BACK TO

12:59:08 US WITH ALL THE ADDITIONS AND CHANGES AND EVERYTHING SO THAT

12:59:10 WE AND THE PUBLIC KNOW CLEARLY WHAT THIS IS?

12:59:14 ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.

12:59:18 BILL CARLSON: NOT JUST THE LAST PART, BUT THE MOTION THAT

12:59:21 MR. MIRANDA MADE, THE AMENDMENT, AND THEN ALSO THIS PART SO

12:59:23 WE CAN KNOW WHAT IT IS IN TOTAL.

12:59:25 THE CLERK: OKAY.

12:59:26 WHAT I HAVE IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SUBSTITUTE REVISION

12:59:30 FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH NAACP NOMINATING MEMBER OF THEIR BOARD

12:59:37 AND THE MAYOR RECOMMENDS THAT PERSON AND COUNCIL WILL

12:59:44 APPROVE.

12:59:45 IN ADDITION, MARTY, COULD YOU CLARIFY THE REPLACEMENT OF THE




12:59:51 CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION WITH THE NAACP?

12:59:54 MARTIN SHELBY: THE SOCIAL JUSTICE AND -- THE SOCIAL

12:59:57 JUSTICE ORGANIZATION AND CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION,

12:59:59 REVERTING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS NAACP SET FORTH.

01:00:06 AND THEN THAT WOULD CLARIFY THAT.

01:00:10 BY THE WAY, COUNCIL, IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SUBSTITUTE

01:00:15 ACCEPTED, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE AND I JUST

01:00:20 WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF IT.

01:00:22 THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT DOWN FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SO

01:00:25 YOU WILL SEE THE LANGUAGE RIGHT THERE BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR

01:00:28 VOTE AS TO WHAT THE EXHIBIT IS SO YOU'RE CLEAR, EACH OF YOU.

01:00:33 WELL, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED OF WHETHER WE NEED TO WAIT

01:00:43 FOR IT.

01:00:43 HASN'T BEEN A PHYSICAL SUBSTITUTION.

01:00:45 YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN YOUR POSSESSION YET, DO YOU, MADAM

01:00:47 CLERK?

01:00:48 THE CLERK: I DO NOT.

01:00:52 MARTIN SHELBY: NORMALLY THE CLERK DOES ACCEPT A SUBSTITUTE

01:00:56 BEFORE COUNCIL VOTES ON THE SUBSTITUTE, IS THAT CORRECT?

01:01:00 THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.

01:01:02 MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IS BEST PRACTICE IN THIS CASE, MADAM

01:01:04 CLERK?

01:01:04 THE CLERK: MY SUGGESTION AT THIS TIME IS MAYBE TAKE A

01:01:08 BREAK AND ALLOW LEGAL TO CREATE THE DOCUMENT.

01:01:10 AND WHEN WE RECONVENE, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH




01:01:14 THE ORDINANCE AND WE'LL HAVE IT IN HAND.

01:01:16 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER

01:01:19 VIERA, I BELIEVE YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO LEAVE BY 1:30, IS THAT

01:01:22 CORRECT?

01:01:23 LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.

01:01:25 WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT ALL DONE BY THEN.

01:01:27 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

01:01:28 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST PROCEDURALLY, IF I

01:01:31 COULD, SO THE ISSUE CAME UP EARLIER WHETHER OR NOT THIS

01:01:43 COUNCIL -- THIS COUNCIL WANTS THIS TO BE SECOND READING AND

01:01:47 BE DONE WITH IT TODAY OR DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS

01:01:51 ALL OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE WE WILL, OKAY, FOR SECOND READING IN

01:01:59 JULY.

01:01:59 I MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULT THAT WE END UP WITH

01:02:04 TODAY, BUT AS SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, PERHAPS THAT'S THE

01:02:08 RESULT OF NEGOTIATIONS AND ET CETERA, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU

01:02:13 THAT I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK IN JULY AND REHASH ALL THIS.

01:02:18 BUT IT WILL BE REHASHED AS LONG AS WE LEAVE THAT DOOR OPEN.

01:02:23 I THINK BOTH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND LEGAL COUNSEL UPSTAIRS

01:02:26 HAS SAID WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ON SECOND READING

01:02:29 BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A MAJOR CHANGE.

01:02:32 IT DID NOT CHANGE THE TITLE.

01:02:35 WE JUST TWEAKED UP AROUND THE EDGES.

01:02:37 AND THEREFORE, I WOULD URGE COUNCIL, AND I WOULD MAKE A

01:02:42 MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT THIS WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL ON SECOND




01:02:45 READING.

01:02:45 I MEAN, I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT I'M

01:02:52 GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO -- THAT WHATEVER WE MOVE FORWARD

01:02:56 WITH TODAY WE DO IT ON SECOND READING, AND I'D LIKE THAT AS

01:02:59 A SEPARATE VOTE AND A SEPARATE MOTION.

01:03:02 SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

01:03:05 GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SECOND THAT.

01:03:06 I THINK IT'S LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE

01:03:09 ALREADY DISCUSSED AT SECOND READING SHOULD BE SAFE AND FINE.

01:03:12 ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE] SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.

01:03:15 ALL IN FAVOR?

01:03:17 MARTIN SHELBY: CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT,

01:03:19 PLEASE?

01:03:23 LUIS VIERA: QUICK QUESTION TO MAKE SURE.

01:03:27 GLAD TO VOTE FOR THIS.

01:03:28 MAKE SURE WITH MS. GRIMES THAT GOING FORWARD ON SECOND

01:03:30 READING TODAY POSES NO --

01:03:36 JOHN DINGFELDER: [INAUDIBLE]

01:03:38 TINY RISK.

01:03:41 LUIS VIERA: I'M FINE WITH THAT.

01:03:48 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

01:03:51 BRIEFLY, GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON VERBIAGE.

01:03:55 WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON UNDERSTANDING.

01:03:57 WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH CHIEF BENNETT ON THE THIS,

01:04:02 THE THAT, AND THE OTHERS.




01:04:04 WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND

01:04:08 FULLY WHAT IS GOING ON.

01:04:10 WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT EVEN WATCHING THIS THAT WANT TO

01:04:13 KNOW THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S FULLY GOING ON.

01:04:16 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS EVERYTHING,

01:04:22 HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL US, E-MAIL US.

01:04:26 I WOULD PREFER THIS GOING BACK TO FIRST READING.

01:04:29 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

01:04:33 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.

01:04:33 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

01:04:35 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

01:04:36 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

01:04:37 THE LANGUAGE OF THE SUBSTITUTE IS BEING PRINTED UP RIGHT NOW

01:04:46 FOR CITY COUNCIL.

01:04:47 YOU'LL HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

01:04:48 IF CITY COUNCIL WISHES, I CAN READ TO THE PUBLIC EXACTLY

01:04:51 WHAT THAT SECTION SAYS SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL HEAR IT, IF

01:04:55 THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

01:04:56 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

01:04:57 ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE FINE, MR. SHELBY.

01:04:59 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

01:05:00 READING FROM MEMBERSHIP AND ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS D, SUB 1.

01:05:06 I'LL READ SUB 1 IN ITS ENTIRETY.

01:05:10 THE CRB SHALL HEREAFTER CONSIST OF 11 VOTING MEMBERS,

01:05:16 MEMBERS, WITH FIVE VOTING MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.




01:05:19 FIVE VOTING MEMBERS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

01:05:22 AND ONE VOTING MEMBER NOMINATED BY THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION

01:05:26 FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE, NAACP, WHO SHALL BE A

01:05:33 MEMBER OF THE NAACP AND WHO SHALL BE RECOMMENDED BY THE

01:05:38 MAYOR AND SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION BY CITY COUNCIL.

01:05:42 PERSONS APPOINTED TO THE CRB ARE VOLUNTEERS AND SHALL

01:05:45 RECEIVE NO COMPENSATION.

01:05:47 NEXT PARAGRAPH.

01:05:48 WHEN APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE CRB, THE MAYOR AND CITY

01:05:51 COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER THE EXISTING DIVERSITY COMPOSITION OF

01:05:54 THE CRB AND SHALL ENDEAVOR TO APPOINT INDIVIDUALS FROM

01:05:58 DIFFERENT RACIAL, ETHNIC, GENDER, NATIONAL ORIGIN,

01:06:01 SOCIOECONOMIC, AGE, OR RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS.

01:06:04 THAT IS D-1 IN ITS ENTIRETY.

01:06:07 ORLANDO GUDES: SATISFIED WITH THAT, GENTLEMEN?

01:06:09 WE'LL TAKE UP THE MOTION OF THE SECOND READING NOW, MR.

01:06:15 SHELBY.

01:06:19 MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN GIVE THIS TO THE CLERK.

01:06:21 ORLANDO GUDES: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR.

01:06:23 DINGFELDER.

01:06:24 THE SECOND WAS --

01:06:25 THE CLERK: MR. MANISCALCO.

01:06:28 MARTIN SHELBY: [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]

01:06:33 FOR THE RECORD, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

01:06:35 I HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE LEGAL




01:06:38 DEPARTMENT A CLEAN COPY OF THE EXHIBIT A THAT REFLECTS AS I

01:06:43 JUST READ, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S MOTION AND VOTE OF

01:06:50 COUNCIL.

01:06:50 AND NOW THAT SUBSTITUTE HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.

01:06:55 SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO WAIT FOR THE COPIES, THEY ARE

01:07:00 FORTHCOMING, BUT IF COUNCIL IS SATISFIED BASED ON WHAT I

01:07:02 READ, A MOTION NOW WITH FINALITY, IF COUNCIL WISHES TO DO

01:07:07 IT, AGAIN, WAS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH REGARD TO

01:07:11 FIRST AND SECOND READING?

01:07:12 THAT IS THE FIRST ITEM TO TAKE UP THEN WITH THAT MOTION ON

01:07:16 THE FLOOR.

01:07:19 ORLANDO GUDES: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR.

01:07:21 DINGFELDER AND SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

01:07:23 ROLL CALL VOTE.

01:07:24 MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, FOR SECOND READING.

01:07:29 LUIS VIERA: YES.

01:07:30 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

01:07:32 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

01:07:33 BILL CARLSON: YES.

01:07:33 JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

01:07:36 CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.

01:07:38 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

01:07:39 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND MIRANDA VOTING

01:07:42 NO.

01:07:46 MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT HAPPENS NOW, COUNCIL, IS YOU HAVE THIS




01:07:49 ON YOUR AGENDA.

01:07:49 IT IS NOW A SUBSTITUTE FOR NUMBER 64, AND IT WOULD BE

01:07:57 APPROPRIATE THEN TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE BEING PRESENTED FOR

01:07:59 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE

01:08:02 MOTION AND THEN READ THE ORDINANCE BY TITLE AS IT APPEARS.

01:08:05 THE TITLE HAS NOT CHANGED.

01:08:12 JOHN DINGFELDER: THE WHEREAS CLAUSES?

01:08:14 MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S AS IT HAS BEEN.

01:08:16 JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'VE SEEN IT OR WHAT?

01:08:19 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE EVERYBODY.

01:08:19 MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALL OF COUNCIL HAS SEEN IT.

01:08:22 JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.

01:08:22 THANK YOU.

01:08:24 ORLANDO GUDES: TAKE UP A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO THE

01:08:27 SUBSTITUTE.

01:08:32 CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I COULD HAVE THE ORDINANCE?

01:08:36 MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU HAVE IT, MADAM CLERK?

01:08:37 YOU HAVE EXHIBIT A, DO YOU HAVE THE TITLE?

01:08:39 THE CLERK: IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

01:08:41 IT'S THE SAME TITLE.

01:08:45 MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 64.

01:08:46 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I READ THE RIGHT ONE

01:08:48 HERE.

01:08:49 ITEM 64, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHICH ONE IT IS.

01:08:58 MARTIN SHELBY: IN YOUR MOTION, SIR, USE THE WORD




01:09:01 "SUBSTITUTE."

01:09:05 THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]

01:09:08 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHICH ONE IS IT NOW?

01:09:10 OKAY.

01:09:13 EXHIBIT A IS 6.17-21551 WITH THE NAACP COMING IN IN

01:09:28 RELATIONSHIP.

01:09:33 BUT THIS ONE DOESN'T SAY WHAT ORDINANCE IT IS.

01:09:36 DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER.

01:09:37 THIS ONE HAS E-2021-8 CHAPTER 18 AS SUBSTITUTE, AM I

01:09:44 CORRECT?

01:09:46 MARTIN SHELBY: YES.

01:09:46 CHARLIE MIRANDA: SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE TO REVIEW -- THIS IS

01:09:53 NOT IT.

01:09:54 64, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FLORIDA SUPERSEDING

01:10:03 REPLACING ORDINANCE 2015-121 WHICH READS SECTION 18-8

01:10:08 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND

01:10:12 ADOPTING A NEW SECTION 18-8 CREATING THE CITIZEN POLICE

01:10:15 REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT; PROVIDING FOR

01:10:18 SEVERABILITY; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF

01:10:22 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE

01:10:25 DATE.

01:10:25 THIS IS A 5-5-1.

01:10:27 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE COPIES ARE FOR COUNCIL

01:10:30 MEMBERS HOT OFF THE PRESS.

01:10:33 WOULD YOU MIND DISTRIBUTING THEM TO COUNCIL, PLEASE?




01:10:36 WHAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED TO YOU IS NOT THE TWO-PAGE

01:10:53 ORDINANCE ITSELF, WHICH I BELIEVE THE CLERK HAS, BUT YOU'VE

01:10:57 SEEN THAT PREVIOUSLY.

01:10:58 WHAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED TO YOU NOW IS THE REVISED EXHIBIT

01:11:01 A, WHICH IS THE SUBSTITUTE.

01:11:03 WAS THERE A SECOND AGAIN?

01:11:11 SECOND.

01:11:12 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAS MOVED THE ORDINANCE AND MR.

01:11:15 VIERA HAS SECONDED IT.

01:11:16 ROLL CALL VOTE.

01:11:20 JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.

01:11:22 GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.

01:11:24 BILL CARLSON: NO.

01:11:26 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

01:11:27 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

01:11:29 LUIS VIERA: YES.

01:11:30 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

01:11:32 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO,

01:11:34 AND CARLSON VOTING NO.

01:11:42 ORLANDO GUDES: 1:15.

01:11:44 STAFF NEEDS TO EAT.

01:11:45 THEY NEED A BREAK.

01:11:46 MR. BENNETT, I KNOW WE WON'T MAKE IT BACK BY 1:30, SIR.

01:11:54 JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.

01:11:55 JUST SO I'M CLEAR, ARE YOU GOING TO DO CONSENT AT 1:30 OR




01:11:59 STAFF REPORTS AT 1:30?

01:12:02 MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION, MR.

01:12:03 CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE STILL

01:12:06 WAITING FOR SECOND READS AND A REVIEW HEARING.

01:12:08 THE QUESTION IS WHERE IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS DO YOU WANT TO

01:12:10 HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING ON THE SECOND

01:12:13 FLOOR OR MAY BE ONLINE?

01:12:15 ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS GOING TO BE A DAY THAT'S KIND OF

01:12:17 UNPRECEDENTED BECAUSE A HOT ISSUE TO GET DONE.

01:12:20 YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE STAFF MEMBERS STAND ON STANDBY.

01:12:23 WE NEED TO COME BACK AND GET THOSE FOLKS OUT OF HERE.

01:12:25 WE'LL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00.

01:12:35 2:15.

01:12:39 WE'RE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:15.

01:12:42 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

01:12:43 [RECESS]

02:25:50 ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE BACK IN SESSION.

02:25:51 ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.

02:25:56 GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

02:25:57 JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

02:25:59 JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

02:26:00 LUIS VIERA: HERE.

02:26:01 CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

02:26:02 ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

02:26:09 MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR MICROPHONE.




02:26:12 ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WE WANT TO TAKE UP THOSE

02:26:14 QUASI-ITEMS, SIR, AND GET THOSE FOLKS OUT OF HERE.

02:26:18 MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 65 IS A 9:30 PUBLIC HEARING.

02:26:21 I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE NO PEOPLE REGISTERED.

02:26:24 JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WATCHING THIS ON

02:26:30 TELEVISION, THE INTERNET IN THE CITY AS WE SPEAK IS NOT

02:26:36 WORKING, AND, THEREFORE, THE GO TO MEETING PLATFORM IS

02:26:42 OFF-LINE RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO

02:26:44 CONSIDERATION WITH REGARD TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO

02:26:46 PARTICIPATE IN QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.

02:26:50 FOR INSTANCE, CITY STAFF NORMALLY WOULD APPEAR VIRTUALLY,

02:26:54 BUT I BELIEVE I HEAR MARY BRYAN TELLING US THAT THEY ARE

02:27:00 HEADING OVER TOWARD CITY HALL AS WE SPEAK SO THAT HE WILL BE

02:27:03 ABLE TO DO THEIR PRESENTATIONS LIVE.

02:27:05 JOHN DINGFELDER: WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF DOING CONSENT

02:27:08 RIGHT NOW?

02:27:08 MARTIN SHELBY: 9:30 PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER 65, YOU COULD

02:27:11 OPEN THAT AND TAKE THAT BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS HAVE BEEN

02:27:13 WAITING ON TWO DOWN STAIRS SINCE THIS MORNING.

02:27:16 I DON'T THINK ERIC COTTON NEEDS TO BE HERE ON NUMBER 65?

02:27:25 OH, DOES HE HAVE TO TESTIFY AS TO THE CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST

02:27:28 AND SECOND READING.

02:27:30 THAT MIGHT BE.

02:27:31 IF HE'S ON HIS WAY OVER, MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD THAT.

02:27:34 WE CAN DO THE CONSENT DOCKET, MR. CHAIRMAN.




02:27:38 ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN.

02:27:40 MR. SHELBY, WE SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO TAKE UP NUMBER 5 AND

02:27:48 6.

02:27:49 MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE STAFF ON THOSE

02:27:52 ITEMS, YOU CAN.

02:27:55 FRANKLY, THERE'S NO NEED TO UNLESS YOU FEEL THERE ARE

02:28:00 QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT A PRESENTATION OF SORTS.

02:28:07 JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE FOR FIRST

02:28:09 READING ON NUMBER FIVE.

02:28:12 ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 5.

02:28:17 MARTIN SHELBY: THERE'S NO NEED FOR A STAFF REPORT UNLESS

02:28:19 YOU WISH.

02:28:19 OTHERWISE, YOU CAN MOVE IT ON FIRST READING AND

02:28:21 CONSIDERATION.

02:28:21 JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL BE GLAD TO READ IT.

02:28:24 I MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING, THAT'S

02:28:29 FILE E2021-8 CHAPTER 2, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,

02:28:34 FLORIDA, AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION 2-71, REGARDING

02:28:38 INTERNAL AUDITS; PROVIDING FOR THE PROCESS BY WHICH CITY

02:28:40 COUNCIL CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDITS PURSUANT TO

02:28:44 CITY CHARTER SECTION 5.01 (C); PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS,

02:28:49 INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEAL CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR

02:28:52 SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

02:28:54 A SHOUT-OUT TO OUR CHARTER REVIEW BOARD FOR MAKING SURE THAT

02:28:58 COUNCIL IS INCLUDED IN THIS PROCESS, INCLUDING MR. CARLSON,




02:29:01 MR. CITRO, AND MR. GUDES AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S INVOLVED.

02:29:05 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION, I

02:29:08 BELIEVE THIS IS ON A 2016 CHARTER REVISION, IF I'M NOT

02:29:13 MISTAKEN.

02:29:13 IT WAS ACTUALLY A --

02:29:18 JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WAS 2016.

02:29:20 MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS PRIOR CITY COUNCIL THAT PUT IT ON

02:29:22 THE BALLOT.

02:29:26 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER HAS MOVED IT.

02:29:28 SECOND?

02:29:28 MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED.

02:29:30 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:29:30 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:29:32 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:29:33 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:29:34 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:29:35 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:29:38 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:29:39 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:29:39 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:29:42 ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT ABOUT 6, MR. SHELBY?

02:29:44 MARTIN SHELBY: 6 IS CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR.

02:29:47 IF YOU WANT TO REPORT ON WHAT THAT SCRIVENER'S ERROR IS I

02:29:52 GUESS THE ATTORNEY IS PRESENT.

02:30:03 RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.




02:30:07 ROSS, WHO IS OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING COORDINATOR, WAS GOING

02:30:09 TO PRESENT A PowerPoint ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT I

02:30:13 BELIEVE I CAN COVER IT WITHOUT THAT.

02:30:17 IF IT WILL BE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

02:30:19 ITEM 6 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000-331

02:30:25 WHICH IS A GLOBAL VACATING ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDED SEVERAL

02:30:28 DIFFERENT ALLEYWAYS, ONE OF WHICH WAS LOCATED WITHIN THE

02:30:34 LIVINGSTON HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION.

02:30:37 ONLY A PORTION OF LOUISIANA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VACATED IN

02:30:41 THAT PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION.

02:30:43 HOWEVER, THE ENTIRE ROAD WAS VACATED INADVERTENTLY, WHICH

02:30:49 RESULTS IN A LAND LOCK, SEVERAL LAND LOCKED PARCELS.

02:30:54 WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS AMEND THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION

02:30:56 SO IT WOULD UNLOCK THOSE LANDS AND HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.

02:30:59 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DO WE BELIEVE IT WAS SCRIVENER'S

02:31:05 ERROR GOING BACK 21 YEARS?

02:31:08 RON WIGGINTON: BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT AND HOW THE

02:31:11 PROPERTIES WERE LAID OUT, THERE WAS NO WAY FOR THAT TO HAVE

02:31:14 BEEN VACATED.

02:31:15 AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN LANDLOCKED PROPERTIES.

02:31:18 THAT IS BY THE ESSENCE OF THE LAND LOCKING.

02:31:23 JOHN DINGFELDER: MORE SPECIFICALLY, YOU MENTIONED SOME

02:31:25 STREET NAMES, WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

02:31:28 RON WIGGINTON: MIDDLETON HIGH SCHOOL, LITTLE BIT TO THE

02:31:30 EAST OF IT.




02:31:31 JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU HAVE A MAP OR DRAWING?

02:31:34 RON WIGGINTON: UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S SOMETHING ROSS WOULD

02:31:36 HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE.

02:31:37 IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, I'M SURE --

02:31:41 MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS FIRST

02:31:43 READING.

02:31:43 IT WILL BE SET FOR A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

02:31:46 YOU CAN HAVE A PRESENTATION AT THE SECOND READING TO BE ABLE

02:31:48 TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

02:31:49 JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST BRING A MAP NEXT TIME.

02:31:51 THANK YOU.

02:31:52 RON WIGGINTON: WILL DO.

02:31:52 THANK YOU.

02:31:55 ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE THIS ITEM 6?

02:31:58 JOSEPH CITRO: FILE NUMBER C 00-35, ORDINANCE BEING

02:32:03 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.

02:32:05 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000-331, WHICH

02:32:13 VACATED, CLOSED, DISCONTINUED AND ABANDONED CERTAIN

02:32:17 RIGHTS-OF-WAY IN THE AREA DESCRIBED BELOW IN ORDER TO

02:32:21 CORRECT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF

02:32:25 EXHIBIT A TO SAID ORDINANCE AND REPLACING SAME WITH ATTACHED

02:32:30 AND REVISED EXHIBIT A, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

02:32:37 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED IT.

02:32:38 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

02:32:40 ROLL CALL.




02:32:42 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:32:42 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:32:43 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:32:44 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:32:45 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:32:46 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:32:48 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:32:51 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:32:52 RON WIGGINTON: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

02:32:55 ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17, SIR.

02:32:58 JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD GLADLY DO THAT.

02:33:00 MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17.

02:33:01 BILL CARLSON: THESE ARE TWO I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF.

02:33:07 9 AND 10.

02:33:09 COULD I MAKE A MOTION REAL FAST TO ACCEPT AND FILE THE

02:33:14 FORMS.

02:33:14 MARTIN SHELBY: DID YOU WANT TO STATE THE NATURE?

02:33:18 BILL CARLSON: SURE.

02:33:19 AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH MY COMPANY HAS AN

02:33:26 INTEREST IN THESE MATTERS.

02:33:27 MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE FILING THE FORM 8B AND ASKING THEM

02:33:30 TO BE RECEIVED AND FILE?

02:33:32 BILL CARLSON: YES, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND

02:33:34 FILE.

02:33:34 ORLANDO GUDES: RECEIVE AND FILE BY MR. MIRANDA.




02:33:37 ALL IN FAVOR?

02:33:38 SEPARATE VOTE, MR. SHELBY?

02:33:44 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE WISE.

02:33:46 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 10 REMOVED.

02:33:50 --

02:33:50 MARTIN SHELBY: 9 AND 10.

02:33:53 CHARLIE MIRANDA: 9 FIRST.

02:33:55 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED 9.

02:33:57 SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.

02:33:59 ALL IN FAVOR?

02:33:59 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:34:04 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:34:05 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:34:06 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:34:07 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:34:08 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:34:10 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:34:11 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.

02:34:15 ORLANDO GUDES: -- MOVED BY MR. --

02:34:17 MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WAS THAT?

02:34:19 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 10 HAS BEEN MOVED BY MR.

02:34:22 DINGFELDER.

02:34:22 SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.

02:34:23 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:34:28 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.




02:34:28 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:34:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:34:31 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:34:32 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:34:33 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:34:35 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.

02:34:38 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA -- LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE

02:34:43 ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17 EXCLUDING 9 AND 10.

02:34:46 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17 EXCLUDING 9 AND

02:34:49 10.

02:34:51 ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED BY MR. MIRANDA.

02:34:52 SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.

02:34:54 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:34:54 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:34:57 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:34:58 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:35:00 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:35:01 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:35:02 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:35:03 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:35:05 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:35:07 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, MOVE 18 THROUGH 21, SIR,

02:35:10 PARKS AND RECREATION.

02:35:11 GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEMS 18 THROUGH 21.

02:35:18 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED 18 THROUGH 21.




02:35:22 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

02:35:23 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:35:23 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:35:25 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:35:26 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:35:27 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:35:29 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:35:30 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:35:32 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:35:32 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:35:34 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVE ITEMS 22 THROUGH 40,

02:35:37 SIR.

02:35:47 JOHN DINGFELDER: -- SHOUT-OUT TO STAFF.

02:35:50 BACK IN THE DAY, ITEMS 28 AND 29 USED TO BE SOLE SOURCED,

02:35:54 BUT NOW THEY ARE BEING BID, WHICH IS GOOD, BECAUSE OTHER

02:35:57 COMPANIES ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS CURED IN PLACE

02:36:01 TREATMENT.

02:36:02 SO THAT'S GOOD.

02:36:03 THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BIDS, WE'RE GETTING SOME VERY

02:36:06 COMPETITIVE BIDS, SO THAT'S EVEN BETTER.

02:36:08 ANYWAY, JUST A SHOUT-OUT TO STAFF IN THAT REGARD.

02:36:11 MOVE ITEMS 22 THROUGH 40.

02:36:14 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVED IT.

02:36:16 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED.

02:36:17 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.




02:36:19 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:36:20 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:36:21 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:36:22 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:36:23 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:36:24 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:36:27 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:36:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU MOVE ITEMS 41 --

02:36:33 CHARLIE MIRANDA: 41 THROUGH 44.

02:36:39 MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

02:36:41 WAS NUMBER 44 --

02:36:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WAS PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA.

02:36:45 MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS PUT BACK ON THE CONSENT.

02:36:48 YES, SIR.

02:36:48 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

02:36:49 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED.

02:36:52 SECOND FROM MR. CITRO.

02:36:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:36:55 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:36:57 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:36:58 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:37:00 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:37:01 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:37:03 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:37:04 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.




02:37:05 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, WILL YOU MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH

02:37:09 56?

02:37:10 BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR.

02:37:11 I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH 56.

02:37:14 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON MOVED.

02:37:16 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED.

02:37:18 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:37:23 JOHN DINGFELDER: -- SHOUT-OUT ESPECIALLY WITH MS. FEELEY

02:37:26 HERE WITH US TODAY.

02:37:27 ITEM 56, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN VERY GENEROUS IN

02:37:33 REGARD TO ALLOCATING MONEY TO INDIVIDUALS WHO NEEDED RENTAL

02:37:38 ASSISTANCE.

02:37:39 ITEM 56 IS AN ADDITIONAL $9.5 MILLION THAT WE'RE SORT OF THE

02:37:45 PASS-THROUGH, WE'RE THE GO-BETWEEN TO MAKE SURE THAT MONEY

02:37:48 GETS TO THE APPROPRIATE TENANTS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO THE

02:37:52 APPROPRIATE LANDLORDS.

02:37:53 BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO MS. FEELEY AND HER

02:37:56 TEAM AND OUR CONTRACTORS WHO ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE

02:37:59 SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE DURING THE COVID

02:38:03 CRISIS.

02:38:04 BRIAN HAS HIS HAND UP.

02:38:06 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

02:38:07 MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT NUMBER 54

02:38:12 HAS A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE TO JULY 29.

02:38:15 YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE THAT UP SEPARATELY JUST AS PART OF YOUR




02:38:18 MOTION.

02:38:19 JOHN DINGFELDER: WE'RE NOT VOTING ON 54 THEN.

02:38:22 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE MOTION IS -- SHOULD BE 45

02:38:28 THROUGH -- OR 53 AND THEN 55 AND 56 AND THEN YOU COULD TAKE

02:38:32 UP THE CONTINUANCE.

02:38:37 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON IF YOU'LL MOVE 45 THROUGH 56

02:38:41 EXCLUDING 54.

02:38:43 BILL CARLSON: MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH 56 EXCLUDING 54.

02:38:47 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION FROM MR. CARLSON, SECONDED BY MR.

02:38:50 MIRANDA.

02:38:50 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:38:51 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:38:52 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:38:53 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:38:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:38:56 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:38:57 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:38:59 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:39:00 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:39:02 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

02:39:03 LET'S TAKE 54 WITH A MOTION TO CONTINUE.

02:39:06 CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED TO JULY 29, 2021.

02:39:10 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVED IT.

02:39:13 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

02:39:14 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.




02:39:15 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:39:17 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:39:18 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:39:20 BILL CARLSON: NO.

02:39:21 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:39:24 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:39:26 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTE NOTHING.

02:39:31 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. LUIS VIERA, ITEM 57 AND 59, SIR.

02:39:36 LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.

02:39:37 I APPRECIATE THAT.

02:39:38 IF I MAY, I MOVE ITEMS 57 THROUGH 59.

02:39:41 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. VIERA.

02:39:44 SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.

02:39:46 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:39:46 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:39:47 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:39:49 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:39:50 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:39:51 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:39:52 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:39:53 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:39:54 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:39:57 MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THE ITEMS BEING SET FOR

02:40:02 PUBLIC HEARING BY COUNCIL CONSENT, YOU CAN TAKE 60, 62, AND

02:40:07 63 BY ONE MOTION AND VOTE, AND WE'LL HOLD 61 AND TAKE THAT




02:40:12 UP RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE VOTE FOR COUNCIL FOR

02:40:16 A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.

02:40:17 CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 60, 62, 63 FOR JULY 22, 2021 AND 62

02:40:27 JULY 29 AT 10:30 AND 63 IS AUGUST 5th, '21, AT 10:30.

02:40:34 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED 60, 62 AND 63.

02:40:38 MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED IT.

02:40:41 ROLL CALL.

02:40:41 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:40:42 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:40:43 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:40:45 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:40:46 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:40:47 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:40:48 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:40:49 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:40:53 ORLANDO GUDES: 61 WE'RE HOLDING --

02:40:59 MARTIN SHELBY: WE CAN TAKE 61 NOW.

02:41:02 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR.

02:41:10 THIS HEARING REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.

02:41:14 [MICROPHONE NOT ON] [MICROPHONE NOT ON]

02:41:27 THANK YOU.

02:41:28 WE HAVE BEEN MOVING THROUGH OUR HUD PLAN FOR OUR ANNUAL

02:41:34 ACTION PLAN.

02:41:35 SO FAR WE'VE HAD OUR RFA THAT'S OPENED.

02:41:38 STAFF HAS CONDUCTED TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WORKSHOPS THIS




02:41:40 WEEK.

02:41:41 THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE DUE REGARDING THE TECHNICAL

02:41:45 ASSISTANCE WORKSHOP AT THE END OF THIS WEEK, AND THE RFA

02:41:49 SUBMISSION WILL CLOSE ON THE 25th.

02:41:51 AT THAT POINT, WE WILL OPEN COMMENT ON THE ACTION PLAN

02:41:55 ITSELF, WHICH BY HUD REQUIREMENT MUST BE AT LEAST 30 DAYS.

02:42:00 THIS WILL PUT THE FIRST AVAILABLE MEETING THAT WE COULD HAVE

02:42:03 THIS ON THE 29th.

02:42:07 IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DO IT ON

02:42:10 THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST, HOWEVER THIS WOULD GREATLY

02:42:13 COMPRESS THE TIME THAT STAFF HAS TO COMPLETE THE REPORT AND

02:42:16 GET IT SUBMITTED TO HUD.

02:42:18 WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT IT BE SET FOR 29th, SPECIAL CALL

02:42:21 AT 5:01 P.M.

02:42:23 ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS THE CALENDAR LIKE ON THE 29th?

02:42:33 ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON.

02:42:35 ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

02:42:38 IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL-CALLED SESSION FOR YOU ON THE 29th.

02:42:41 OUR ACTION PLAN IS DUE TO HUD ON AUGUST 15th.

02:42:45 SO IF WE PUSH TO THE FIRST THURSDAY IN AUGUST, ALSO WE DO

02:42:49 HAVE TO HAVE IT AT 5:01.

02:42:52 THAT IS PART OF OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION RULES.

02:42:54 THAT WOULD ONLY LEAVE STAFF ABOUT SEVEN DAYS TO THEN GET IT

02:42:57 IN ORDER TO SUBMIT TO HUD.

02:43:00 THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE JULY 29th SPECIAL CALLED




02:43:03 SESSION IN THE EVENING.

02:43:05 MARTIN SHELBY: I'M GOING TO DIRECT COUNCIL'S ATTENTION TO

02:43:08 YOUR CALENDAR.

02:43:09 YOU DO HAVE A MEETING THAT DAY AT 9 A.M.

02:43:11 IT IS A REGULAR SESSION.

02:43:13 SO THIS WOULD BE ADDING A SPECIAL CALL AT 5:01 THAT EVENING.

02:43:19 IT WOULD NOT BE A SEPARATE DAY BECAUSE YOU WILL BE THERE AT

02:43:23 THE 9 A.M., BUT THERE IS NO NIGHT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THAT

02:43:26 NIGHT AND THE REQUEST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, AS YOU'VE

02:43:29 HEARD, IS TO SET THAT 5:01.

02:43:31 I BELIEVE IT IS A MATTER OF MOVING THE RESOLUTION, IS THAT

02:43:33 CORRECT?

02:43:34 IT'S ALREADY BEEN PREPARED IN THE RESOLUTION.

02:43:37 ORLANDO GUDES: IT HAS TO BE IN THE EVENING TIME.

02:43:40 ABBYE FEELEY: YES, SIR.

02:43:41 THAT'S PART OF OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PLAN TO ALLOW FOR

02:43:45 OUR CITIZENS AND CLIENTS TO COME AFTER CLOSE OF BUSINESS FOR

02:43:49 THEM TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTION PLAN

02:43:52 DEVELOPMENT AND ADOPTION.

02:43:53 THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND REQUIRED MEETING IN THE AFTERNOON,

02:44:01 EVENING.

02:44:01 I DON'T FORESEE IT WOULD BE LONG.

02:44:05 ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

02:44:06 MOTION ON THE FLOOR?

02:44:07 MR. CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.




02:44:10 BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD SAY, FIRST, I THINK IT'S A GOOD

02:44:13 IDEA TO PUT THESE ON THURSDAYS BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH

02:44:15 WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT, SECOND, PUTTING IT

02:44:20 ON ANOTHER DAY WOULD INTERVENE WITH MY KID'S SCHEDULE.

02:44:25 I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING IT ON THURSDAY FOR THAT REASON

02:44:27 ALSO.

02:44:28 THANK YOU.

02:44:28 ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?

02:44:29 ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ITEM 61.

02:44:34 MR. MANISCALCO HAS MOVED IT.

02:44:36 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

02:44:39 ROLL CALL.

02:44:43 THE CLERK: ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE JULY

02:44:47 29 --

02:44:54 MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT A SEPARATE MOTION.

02:44:56 THE CLERK: PREFERABLY A SEPARATE ONE.

02:44:59 THE OTHER MOTION IS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.

02:45:01 MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION RIGHT NOW IS TO MOVE THE

02:45:03 RESOLUTION.

02:45:04 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED IT.

02:45:05 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.

02:45:07 ROLL CALL VOTE AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE DATE.

02:45:09 THE CLERK: DINGFELDER?

02:45:11 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:45:12 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.




02:45:13 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:45:15 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:45:16 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:45:18 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:45:19 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:45:20 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:45:22 ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S MOVE THE DATE.

02:45:23 CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE DATE, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO JULY 29,

02:45:29 2021 AT 5:01 P.M. AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THIRD FLOOR.

02:45:33 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED IT.

02:45:35 SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON.

02:45:36 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:45:38 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:45:39 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:45:40 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:45:41 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:45:42 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:45:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:45:44 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:45:49 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:45:50 ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, 64

02:45:55 THROUGH 68.

02:45:59 MR. MIRANDA.

02:45:59 SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.

02:46:01 ALL IN FAVOR?




02:46:04 MARTIN SHELBY: 64 I BELIEVE HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

02:46:07 AND 65, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THAT.

02:46:11 IT'S A SECOND READING.

02:46:12 IS STAFF PRESENT?

02:46:17 FOR PERSONAL INTRODUCTION.

02:46:20 GOOD AFTERNOON.

02:46:21 ZAIN HUSAIN HERE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

02:46:24 FIRST OFF, GREAT TO BE HERE IN PERSON.

02:46:28 GOING OVER ITEM 65, THIS IS AB 2-21-11, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE

02:46:38 SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES

02:46:42 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.

02:46:44 SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT 1601 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE

02:46:50 1607.

02:46:52 CERTIFIED PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF YESTERDAY TO THE CLERK, AND

02:46:56 IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE.

02:46:58 JOHN DINGFELDER: WE WILL NEVER FORGET OUR EDUCATION IN

02:47:06 KOMBUCHA.

02:47:09 ORLANDO GUDES: NO QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT?

02:47:33 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THEY ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

02:47:35 ORLANDO GUDES: APPLICANT ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

02:47:40 MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WE GO.

02:47:52 GOOD AFTERNOON.

02:47:53 WE ENJOYED OUR DISCUSSION LAST TIME --

02:47:58 ORLANDO GUDES: SWEAR YOU IN, I'M SORRY.

02:47:59 THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT




02:48:03 YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

02:48:06 WE DO.

02:48:07 THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

02:48:08 MARTIN SHELBY: NAMES PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

02:48:09 ORLANDO GUDES: NAMES, SIR.

02:48:11 BRIAN GRIFFIN.

02:48:13 PHILLIP SMITH.

02:48:17 WE ENJOYED OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE YOU.

02:48:20 WE HAVE MADE THE REQUESTED CHANGES TO OUR SITE PLAN AND WILL

02:48:23 COMPLY WITH THOSE, WHICH ARE NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND WE WILL

02:48:27 NOT BE OPEN PAST 11 P.M. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

02:48:31 WE LOOK FORWARD TO OPENING THIS ELEMENT OF OUR BUSINESS AND

02:48:34 WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS SECOND READING.

02:48:36 THANK YOU.

02:48:38 ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS?

02:48:41 ALL RIGHT.

02:48:42 ANYBODY ELSE HERE ON THIS ITEM TO SPEAK?

02:48:45 MOVE TO CLOSE.

02:48:46 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED TO CLOSE.

02:48:48 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.

02:48:50 CAN WE GET MR. VIERA?

02:48:53 MR. VIERA, READ NUMBER 65.

02:48:58 LUIS VIERA: MY PLEASURE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

02:49:00 I HEREBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND

02:49:03 READING AND ADOPTION AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE




02:49:06 PERMIT (SU-2) FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE

02:49:11 (CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES

02:49:15 CONSUMPTION) AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT

02:49:19 OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT

02:49:22 1601 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE 1607, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS

02:49:26 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2; PROVIDING THAT ALL

02:49:29 ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED;

02:49:33 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

02:49:34 ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.

02:49:36 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:49:38 BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:49:39 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:49:41 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:49:42 LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:49:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:49:45 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:49:46 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:49:47 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:49:48 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

02:49:50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

02:49:52 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 66.

02:50:42 GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN.

02:50:46 ORLANDO GUDES: NEED TO SWEAR IN, MR. SHELBY?

02:50:57 GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY

02:51:00 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.




02:51:02 WE'RE HERE, COUNCIL, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 66.

02:51:05 REVIEW HEARING FOR VRB 20-60 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT

02:51:10 1508 SOUTH ARRAWANA AVENUE.

02:51:13 THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU ON A PETITION SEEKING REVIEW OF A

02:51:16 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DECISION MADE DURING ITS MEETING ON

02:51:20 FEBRUARY 9 OF 2021.

02:51:21 I PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH THE HEARING PROCEDURES FOR TODAY'S

02:51:25 REVIEW AS WELL AS SAMPLE MOTIONS FOR THE HEARING.

02:51:29 YOU ALSO HAVE THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA SET FORTH IN CODE

02:51:33 SECTION 27-80.

02:51:35 PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 27-61, SUBSECTION J, SUBSECTION 2,

02:51:41 CITY COUNCIL APPLIES A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW.

02:51:44 YOUR DECISION IS NOT LIMITED TO THE RECORD CREATED DURING

02:51:48 THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARING, INSTEAD, YOU CAN TAKE

02:51:53 PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE AND MAKE A DECISION

02:51:56 BASED ON THE APPLICATION MEETING THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT AS

02:51:59 SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-80.

02:52:01 THE MATERIALS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM INCLUDE A COPY OF

02:52:06 THE INITIAL APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCE, THE STAFF REPORT,

02:52:08 THE VRB'S WRITTEN DECISION AND THE PETITION FOR REVIEW ALONG

02:52:12 WITH THE AFFIDAVIT ESTABLISHING COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOTICE

02:52:15 REQUIREMENTS.

02:52:15 THE APPLICATION FILED WITH THE VRB REQUESTED THE FOLLOWING

02:52:19 VARIANCE: A REDUCTION OF THE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE

02:52:24 FEET TO THREE FEET PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 290.3.




02:52:29 AFTER CONSIDERING ALL THE EVIDENCE INTRODUCED INTO THE

02:52:32 RECORD OF TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL MAY AFFIRM THE VRB'S

02:52:36 DECISION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE.

02:52:39 COUNCIL MAY OVERTURN THE VRB DECISION AND DENY THE VARIANCE

02:52:45 OR COUNCIL MAY REMAND THIS BACK TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW

02:52:47 BOARD.

02:52:49 WITH THAT, STAFF IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THE PRESENTATION

02:52:53 OF THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION FOR THE CASE FOR THE VARIANCE

02:52:59 REVIEW BOARD.

02:53:01 I'LL TURN IT OVER NOW TO MS. ANASTASIA BARNES.

02:53:06 MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT I SEE MR.

02:53:09 GRANDOFF IS SITTING DIRECTLY BEHIND HER.

02:53:12 I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER, FRANKLY, IF IT WOULD BE

02:53:16 APPROPRIATE FOR PEOPLE TO NOT BE IN THE BACKGROUND THAT ARE

02:53:20 NOT RELEVANT TO THE PARTICULAR TESTIMONY, IF THAT'S

02:53:23 POSSIBLE.

02:53:24 THAT WOULD APPLY TO BOTH PARTIES AND TO OTHER FUTURE

02:53:28 HEARINGS AS WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT.

02:53:33 ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK SECURITY IS TAKING CARE OF IT NOW.

02:53:41 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

02:53:45 GOOD AFTERNOON.

02:53:45 MY NAME IS ANASTASIA BARNES, URBAN PLANNER 2 WITH

02:53:50 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

02:53:51 AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS ALREADY STATED, THIS PETITION IS

02:53:55 FOR VRB --




02:53:57 ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN.

02:53:59 APOLOGIZE.

02:53:59 YES.

02:54:00 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. COTTON, ARE YOU TESTIFYING TO?

02:54:06 PERHAPS, YES.

02:54:07 THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

02:54:09 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT

02:54:11 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

02:54:14 YES.

02:54:15 THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

02:54:16 AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS ALREADY STATED THIS IS A

02:54:19 PETITION FOR VRB 20-60.

02:54:24 THE PETITIONER IS KERRY AND BARBARA TOOLE.

02:54:30 THE PETITIONER'S AGENT IS JOHN GRANDOFF.

02:54:32 THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1508 SOUTH ARRAWANA AVENUE WHICH HAS

02:54:38 A ZONING DISTRICT OF RS 60, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.

02:54:41 THE APPROVED VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK

02:54:45 FROM FIVE FEET TO THREE FEET IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION

02:54:49 27,290.3 THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL.

02:54:54 27-290.3.

02:55:00 HERE IS 2780, THE APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE POWER.

02:55:07 THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE, THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD

02:55:14 THIS CASE ON NOVEMBER 10, 2020, AND AFTER TESTIMONY

02:55:19 CONTINUED THE CASE.

02:55:21 THE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THE CASE AGAIN ON FEBRUARY 9, 2021,




02:55:25 AND AFTER TESTIMONY APPROVED THE REQUEST WITH A VOTE FOR

02:55:29 4-2.

02:55:30 THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH

02:55:40 SURROUNDING ZONING, LARGELY RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.

02:55:45 THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED SHOWING THE

02:55:49 PROPOSED POOL WITH SETBACKS.

02:55:55 THIS IS A VIEW OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE POOL

02:56:00 WILL BE PLACED, AND THIS IS A PICTURE SHOWING THE ADJACENT

02:56:08 PROPERTY OWNER FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

02:56:10 THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

02:56:17 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

02:56:21 ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

02:56:23 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

02:56:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: IN READING, I'M SURE MR. HENDRA WILL BE

02:56:40 ELABORATING, BUT I NEED REFERENCE, THEY ARE ADDRESSING ADA

02:56:46 NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS.

02:56:47 WILL WE GET ADVICE FROM STAFF OR LEGAL IN TERMS OF HOW THAT

02:56:52 MIGHT IMPACT OUR DECISION?

02:56:54 I KNOW THAT MR. CITRO AND I, WE USED TO HEAR THIS WHEN WE

02:56:59 SAT ON THE VRB.

02:57:00 SOMETIMES THERE WERE ADA ISSUES THAT WOULD COMPLICATE THINGS

02:57:03 IN REGARD TO WHAT OUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS WAS.

02:57:08 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE,

02:57:11 RESPECTFULLY, I UNDERSTAND MR. COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION.

02:57:15 THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW, SO MR. GRANDOFF IS




02:57:21 REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND THE PROPERTY.

02:57:23 HIS ARGUMENT IS THAT THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA WAS NOT MET.

02:57:27 SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO -- IF YOU WANT TO FIRST

02:57:31 HEAR THEIR PRESENTATION.

02:57:33 JOHN DINGFELDER: WE CAN HEAR IT, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO

02:57:36 ANY DELIBERATIONS, IF THE ADA ISSUE COMES UP, WHICH IT

02:57:40 APPEARS SOMEBODY HANDED ME A DOCUMENT, JUMPED RIGHT OUT AT

02:57:44 ME THAT THERE IS AN -- POTENTIAL ADA ISSUE, JUST MAKE SURE

02:57:47 THAT WE'RE WELL AWARE OF HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT OUR VOTE.

02:57:54 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I WILL.

02:57:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

02:57:56 ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF.

02:57:57 ANASTASIA BARNES AGAIN.

02:58:00 AS AN URBAN PLANNER, I DO NOT KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADA

02:58:04 ACCESSIBILITY.

02:58:05 I THINK THAT WOULD BE FOR A PLANS EXAMINER.

02:58:10 SO, UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT

02:58:13 SPECIFICALLY TO THE ADA REQUIREMENTS.

02:58:17 JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M GOOD.

02:58:18 ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?

02:58:19 ALL RIGHT.

02:58:22 WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

02:58:24 MR. SHELBY.

02:58:26 MARTIN SHELBY: ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF?

02:58:32 I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.




02:58:34 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR PURPOSES OF COMPLETING THE RECORD,

02:58:38 ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WHICH HAD BEEN RECEIVED AND

02:58:41 FILED AND UPLOADED, I'D LIKE THEM TO BE DONE BY MOTION AND

02:58:45 VOTE AT THIS POINT.

02:58:46 JUST TO RECEIVE AND FILE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

02:58:50 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO AS MADE A MOTION TO RECEIVE

02:58:53 AND FILE.

02:58:53 CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

02:58:56 ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?

02:58:57 ANY OPPOSED?

02:58:58 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

02:59:05 ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?

02:59:07 I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN.

02:59:10 THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

02:59:12 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT

02:59:14 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

02:59:17 JOHN GRANDOFF: I DO.

02:59:18 THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

02:59:19 JOHN GRANDOFF: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE

02:59:21 CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JOHN GRANDOFF.

02:59:23 ADDRESS IS SUITE 3700 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA.

02:59:26 THIS AFTERNOON, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING BARBARA

02:59:30 AND KERRY TOOLE WHO ARE MY CLIENTS WHO LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND

02:59:34 THE PROPERTY WHICH WAS GRANTED THE VARIANCE BACK IN

02:59:37 FEBRUARY.




02:59:37 BEFORE BEGINNING MY PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO CONFIRM IN THE

02:59:43 RECORD THAT AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FROM THE KRAFTS, THE

02:59:50 OWNERS WAS DELIVERED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY CLERK

02:59:53 AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON MARCH 17.

02:59:57 IT IS A LETTER FROM CHRIS AND REBECCA KRAFT.

02:59:59 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS REFERENCED.

03:00:01 I'LL PROVIDE IT TO THE CLERK AFTER THE HEARING TO MAKE SURE

03:00:03 IT IS COMPLETELY FILED.

03:00:09 ORLANDO GUDES: WERE YOU TRYING TO SHOW SOMETHING ON THE

03:00:11 MONITOR?

03:00:11 JOHN GRANDOFF: YES.

03:00:12 ORLANDO GUDES: WE NEED TO SEE IT.

03:00:13 THERE IT IS.

03:00:18 MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:00:20 FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, ARE THESE PEOPLE, YOUR

03:00:24 RELATIONSHIP TO THEM, MR. GRANDOFF?

03:00:28 JOHN GRANDOFF: MY CLIENT IS OPPOSING THEIR VARIANCE.

03:00:31 AND WHILE THE APPEAL WAS PENDING, THEY PROVIDED THIS

03:00:34 DOCUMENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS AN EX PARTE

03:00:37 COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS ILLEGAL.

03:00:39 AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE RECORD.

03:00:42 MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS BEING DISCLOSED TO YOU AND IS PART OF

03:00:45 THE RECORD.

03:00:48 JOHN GRANDOFF: NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE IF THE CITY

03:00:50 COUNCIL HAS ANY PREJUDGMENT ON THIS CASE GIVEN THE NATURE OF




03:00:53 THIS LETTER.

03:00:54 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ASK,

03:00:56 MR. GRANDOFF.

03:00:57 I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

03:00:58 ON THE BASIS OF ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, ARE THERE ANY

03:01:02 OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS VERBALLY THAT NEED TO BE

03:01:05 DISCLOSED ON EITHER SIDE TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON?

03:01:07 I SEE NO RESPONSE.

03:01:08 IS THERE ANYBODY BY A SHOW OF HANDS OR VERBALLY TO SAY THAT

03:01:16 BASED ON ANYTHING THAT MIGHT -- THEY MIGHT BE AWARE OF WOULD

03:01:21 KEEP THEM FROM BEING FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AS TO EITHER SIDE

03:01:25 WITH REGARD TO THE HEARING OF THIS CASE AND MAKING A

03:01:28 DECISION BASED ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE

03:01:30 RECORD.

03:01:30 IS THERE ANYBODY?

03:01:32 I SEE NO ONE RESPONDING AFFIRMATIVELY.

03:01:34 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:01:36 MR. GRANDOFF IS THAT ACCEPTABLE?

03:01:38 JOHN GRANDOFF: YES, IT IS.

03:01:39 JOHN DINGFELDER: POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR.

03:01:42 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

03:01:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. GRANDOFF, I'M NOT SURE HOW WELL YOU

03:01:46 DESCRIBED THE DOCUMENT YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN.

03:01:48 JUST FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT AND MAKE SURE THE

03:01:52 CLERK GETS A COPY OF IT.




03:01:53 JOHN GRANDOFF: THIS IS A LETTER MARCH 17 THAT WAS

03:01:56 DELIVERED FROM CHRIS AND REBECCA KRAFT FROM THEIR ADDRESS.

03:02:01 DEAR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND CITY CLERK, WE ARE WRITING TO

03:02:04 EXPRESS OUR OBJECTION TO JOHN GRANDOFF'S REQUEST FOR CITY

03:02:07 COUNCIL TO DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARING CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR

03:02:10 APRIL 15 AS IT WILL CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR MYSELF AND MY

03:02:14 FAMILY BY UNNECESSARILY DELAYING OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT

03:02:17 FURTHER.

03:02:18 IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT HE AND HIS CLIENTS ATTEMPTED TO

03:02:21 DELAY THE INITIAL VARIANCE HEARING IN NOVEMBER 2020.

03:02:24 THIS APPEARS TO BE ANOTHER MEASURE TO CREATE FURTHER DELAYS.

03:02:27 HE AND HIS CLIENTS HAVE HAD AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO

03:02:30 PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING AS THE OBJECTIVE HAS NOT CHANGED

03:02:33 AND THIS HEARING SHOULD PROCEED AS PLANNED.

03:02:35 WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIMELY ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

03:02:38 SINCERELY CHRIS AND REBECCA KRAFT.

03:02:41 YOU'LL SEE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LETTER THEY ARE ARGUING THE

03:02:43 MERITS OF THE CASE WITHOUT GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE

03:02:46 HEARD.

03:02:46 THAT'S THE POINT.

03:02:53 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE.

03:02:55 JOHN GRANDOFF: YES, MR. GUDES, I APPRECIATE.

03:02:57 I ASK THIS TIME NOT BE CHARGED AGAINST MY PRESENTATION

03:03:00 BECAUSE THEY ARE PROCEDURAL ISSUES.

03:03:01 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO NOW, I HEARD THAT THERE WAS




03:03:05 DISCUSSION ABOUT ADA.

03:03:06 I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THAT DISCUSSION.

03:03:09 CAN SOMEONE REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION ON WHAT THAT WAS ALL

03:03:11 ABOUT BEFORE THE HEARING STARTED?

03:03:15 JOHN DINGFELDER: IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT, WHEN THE

03:03:17 HEARING JUST STARTED, WE WERE HANDED A DOCUMENT, MR.

03:03:19 GRANDOFF, AND I HOPE YOU GOT A COPY OF IT.

03:03:22 IF NOT, I'LL MAKE SURE WE SEND ONE DOWN STAIRS.

03:03:25 FROM HENDRA AND ASSOCIATES INC.

03:03:28 FRANKLY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS FROM YOUR CLIENT.

03:03:31 SO I STARTED READING THROUGH IT, AND ON ABOUT PAGE, I DON'T

03:03:35 KNOW, 6, 7, 8, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THE

03:03:40 ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR A SWIMMING POOL WAS SOMEHOW ADA

03:03:47 REQUIRED OR ADA NECESSARY, AND I'M SURE IF THESE FOLKS, THE

03:03:51 ORIGINAL APPLICANTS ARE GOING TO BE HERE, THEN THEY'LL SPEAK

03:03:54 TO THAT.

03:03:55 DID YOU GET A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT, MR. GRANDOFF?

03:03:58 JOHN GRANDOFF: HOW DID YOU GET A COPY OF IT?

03:04:01 JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

03:04:02 SOMEBODY HANDED IT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN THE MEETING

03:04:05 STARTED.

03:04:07 MARTIN SHELBY: I --

03:04:09 JOHN GRANDOFF: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE SOURCE OF THE

03:04:10 DOCUMENT.

03:04:10 ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF ORDER.




03:04:11 MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

03:04:13 MARTIN SHELBY: MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED BY

03:04:16 STAFF.

03:04:17 ERIC COTTON HANDED IT OUT.

03:04:18 DID THE CLERK RECEIVE A COPY?

03:04:20 THE CLERK: YES.

03:04:21 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. COTTON, DID YOU PROVIDE A COPY TO MR.

03:04:24 GRANDOFF?

03:04:26 JOHN GRANDOFF: HE DID.

03:04:27 MR. COTTON, I HAVE A COPY OF IT NOW.

03:04:29 IT'S DATED JUNE 16th.

03:04:35 JOHN DINGFELDER: YESTERDAY.

03:04:36 JOHN GRANDOFF: YEAH.

03:04:37 I HAVEN'T READ IT NOR DO I CARE TO READ IT.

03:04:40 JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK ANY OF US READ IT.

03:04:42 THEY JUST HANDED IT TO US FIVE MINUTES AGO.

03:04:46 JOHN GRANDOFF: WELL, IT BEGS THE QUESTION.

03:04:49 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE.

03:04:50 JOHN GRANDOFF: I WILL SPEAK ON THE ADA ISSUE AS PART OF MY

03:04:54 ARGUMENT, BUT TO GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER, WE HAD TWO

03:04:59 HEARINGS IN THIS CASE AND MY CLIENTS PUT ON COMPETENT

03:05:03 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE

03:05:07 PROBLEM WITH THESE PROPERTIES.

03:05:09 MY CLIENT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY WHERE THE KRAFTS

03:05:14 ARE PLANNING TO BUILD A SWIMMING POOL.




03:05:16 WE HAVE NO OBJECTION OF THEM BUILDING A SWIMMING POOL FROM

03:05:19 FIVE FEET OF THE REAR YARD.

03:05:21 THEY WANT A VARIANCE OF THREE FEET.

03:05:23 ESSENTIALLY, BASICALLY, WHAT IS A YARD.

03:05:28 A YARD IS AN OPEN SPACE OCCUPIED AND UNOBSTRUCTED BY ANY

03:05:34 STRUCTURE OR PORTION OF A STRUCTURE.

03:05:39 IT CONTINUES.

03:05:39 MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. GRANDOFF.

03:05:41 FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:05:44 WHAT HE'S PUTTING DOWN THERE, I'LL ASK THE PEOPLE IN CTTV TO

03:05:49 BE ABLE TO SWITCH SO COUNCIL CAN SEE WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO

03:05:52 WHEN HE PUTS SOMETHING DOWN.

03:05:53 LET'S WAIT UNTIL IT COMES UP ON THE SCREEN.

03:05:59 IT'S NOT ON THEIR MONITORS.

03:06:01 ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE IT ON THE BIG TV.

03:06:03 NOT ON THE MONITORS.

03:06:04 WE GOT IT.

03:06:07 YOU CAN CONTINUE, MR. GRANDOFF.

03:06:11 JOHN GRANDOFF: THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A YARD.

03:06:14 AND I PROVIDED IN MY PETITION FOR REVIEW IN EXHIBIT A THAT

03:06:21 PART OF YOUR CRITERIA, ITEM NUMBER 3, REQUIRES THE APPLICANT

03:06:28 TO PROVE A SINGULAR AND UNIQUE HARDSHIP WITH RESPECT TO THE

03:06:32 PROPERTY, NOT A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

03:06:34 IF PERSONAL PREFERENCE WAS THE TEST, THERE WOULD BE

03:06:38 VIRTUALLY NO GROUNDS OF WHICH YOU COULD DENY A VARIANCE AND




03:06:42 THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.

03:06:45 MY CLIENTS AS RECENTLY AS LAST NIGHT TOOK SEVERAL

03:06:49 PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE RAINSTORM LAST NIGHT.

03:06:55 THESE ARE NOT REAL CLEAR, BUT THIS IS WATER PUDDLING IN

03:06:59 THEIR BACKYARD, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN ON

03:07:08 THE SURVEY.

03:07:09 YESTERDAY EVENING, PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN BY KERRY AND BARBARA

03:07:13 TOOLE.

03:07:13 NOW, CITY CODE AT 21-8 VERY CLEARLY SAYS, IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR

03:07:24 ANY PERSON NOTWITHSTANDING THE ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT BY THE

03:07:28 CITY TO STOCKPILE MATERIAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA

03:07:31 OR DO ANY OTHER ACT AFFECTING THE DRAINAGE WHICH RESULTS IN

03:07:35 AN ALTERATION OF THE SURFACE OR SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE PATTERNS

03:07:40 TO THE DETRIMENT OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

03:07:46 PARDON ME FOR ONE MOMENT.

03:07:58 A LITTLE MORE CUMBERSOME DOING THIS REMOTELY.

03:08:10 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. GRANDOFF, CAN YOU PULL THE MIKE OVER

03:08:16 WHEN YOU TALK OVER THERE?

03:08:17 JOHN GRANDOFF: BEAR WITH ME HERE.

03:08:19 WE'RE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

03:08:20 MY CLIENT'S OWN THIS PROPERTY.

03:08:22 THIS IS THEIR GARAGE, SLAB ON GRADE BUILT IN 1922.

03:08:26 HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE.

03:08:28 THE KRAFTS WANT TO BUILD THE POOL HERE IN THEIR BACKYARD TWO

03:08:33 FEET AWAY INSTEAD OF FIVE FEET AWAY.




03:08:36 NOW, PAY ATTENTION TO THE ELEVATION --

03:08:44 [NO ENCODER]

03:09:03 -- SIX INCHES.

03:09:05 IT'S ABOUT FIVE INCHES, THE DELTA AND THE GRADE CHANGE FROM

03:09:08 THE GARAGE STAIRS AND THE LAUNDRY TO THE KRAFTS' PROPERTY.

03:09:14 THERE IS A PERCEPTIBLE DRAINAGE PROBLEM WHICH HAS BEEN

03:09:19 QUANTIFIED BY THE KRAFTS' EXPERT, WHICH I HAVE A REPORT FROM

03:09:25 HIM.

03:09:26 BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

03:09:29 ON THE APPROVAL HEARING IN FEBRUARY, WE WERE ALLOWED ONLY

03:09:35 FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT ANY TESTIMONY.

03:09:38 THEY NEVER PUT IN ANY EVIDENCE DISPUTING THE DRAINAGE

03:09:43 PROBLEM THAT WE BROUGHT UP IN NOVEMBER.

03:09:47 THE BOARD DID NOT CONSIDER THAT.

03:09:50 THEY WENT TO THE ADA AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY

03:09:54 ATTENTION TO THE STORMWATER PROBLEM.

03:09:56 WE'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS UNDER THE ADA.

03:09:58 I'LL GET INTO THE ADA IN A MOMENT.

03:10:00 BUT WE RAISED THE ISSUE OF STORMWATER DRAINAGE, SECTION 3,

03:10:05 WHICH I READ TO YOU IN MY PETITION AGAIN CAUTIONS THAT YOU

03:10:12 CANNOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE WITH THE NEIGHBORING

03:10:17 PROPERTIES PROPERTY RIGHTS.

03:10:19 CHAPTER 21, YOUR STORMWATER CODE ALSO PUTS THEM ON NOTICE OF

03:10:23 THAT.

03:10:23 I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THERE'S MORE EVIDENCE TO BE HEARD IN




03:10:26 THIS CASE, THE MOST EFFICIENT, FAIR DUE PROCESS WAY TO DO

03:10:31 THAT WOULD BE TO REMAND THIS CASE BACK TO THE VRB WITH

03:10:37 INSTRUCTIONS TO CONSIDER TESTIMONY ON STORMWATER DRAINAGE

03:10:40 BECAUSE I HAVE AN EXPERT.

03:10:43 THEY SHOWED UP WITH AN EXPERT TODAY, WHICH I HAVE NOT HAD AN

03:10:47 OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVIDENCE.

03:10:51 IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL BESIDES THAT.

03:10:55 AND THAT'S THE WAY THE HEARING SHOULD HANDLE.

03:10:57 IT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION UPON EXPERTS WEIGHED BY THE

03:11:01 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD SITTING AS THE FINDER OF FACT.

03:11:04 THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

03:11:06 THIS SHOULD NOT BE YOUR PROBLEM TO RE-TRY THIS CASE.

03:11:10 I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT YOU SHOULD REMAND THE CASE.

03:11:13 IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO HEAR THE MERITS OF THE CASE, I CAN DO

03:11:17 THAT ALSO, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REVERSE THE DECISION AND

03:11:20 DENY THE VARIANCE.

03:11:22 AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO PAUSE BECAUSE I WANT TO GET INTO

03:11:24 THE ADA ISSUE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

03:11:28 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

03:11:30 JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:11:32 MY LEANING IS IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. GRANDOFF.

03:11:39 I KNOW HE MAY BE SHOCKED AT THAT, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS,

03:11:47 WITH THIS BIG DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US AND MR. GRANDOFF'S

03:11:51 EXPERT MIGHT HAVE AN EQUALLY BIG DOCUMENT AND IF THE

03:11:54 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR THIS, MY




03:11:57 LEANING WOULD BE THAT WAY.

03:11:58 NOW, IN THE INTEREST OF DUE PROCESS, IF THE OTHER FOLKS ARE

03:12:02 HERE, YOU KNOW, MY LEANING WOULD BE TO MAKE A MOTION TO

03:12:06 REMAND, BUT IF THE OTHER FOLKS ARE HERE, I THINK IT WOULD BE

03:12:09 FAIR TO HEAR THEM OUT PROCEDURALLY AS TO MY TENTATIVE

03:12:14 MOTION, MR. CHAIR.

03:12:15 ARE THE OTHER FOLKS HERE?

03:12:20 JOHN GRANDOFF: I BELIEVE SO.

03:12:24 I'LL YIELD.

03:12:25 JOHN DINGFELDER: RELINQUISH THE PODIUM --

03:12:27 MARTIN SHELBY: HE'S NOT RELINQUISHING THE PRESENTATION.

03:12:30 I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE ASKING FOR HIS TIME TO BE

03:12:36 HELD WHILE YOU WANT THE OTHER SIDE TO ENTERTAIN THE SPECIFIC

03:12:39 MOTION THAT YOU HAVE NOT YET MADE TO PUT ON THE FLOOR.

03:12:42 OR YOU WANT TO HEAR THEIR SIDE BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION?

03:12:46 JOHN DINGFELDER: I CAN GO EITHER WAY.

03:12:49 IF COUNCIL WANTS THE ACTUAL MOTION.

03:12:52 I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION AND LET'S HEAR WHAT THEY

03:12:54 HAVE TO SAY.

03:12:56 I MOVE TO REMAND IT TO THE VRB SO THEY CAN HEAR WHATEVER

03:13:02 ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL INFORMATION IS NOW AVAILABLE THAT WAS

03:13:06 NOT PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE.

03:13:07 CHARLIE MIRANDA: TWO THINGS, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

03:13:12 THE PEOPLE THAT HIRED HENDRA HERE?

03:13:16 JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY ARE COMING UP.




03:13:17 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE SHOULD HEAR BEFORE WE DO ANY MOTIONS.

03:13:20 MR. GRANDOFF, YOU SAID YOU HAD A PROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUAL IN

03:13:26 DRAINAGE AT THAT TIME OF THE HEARING.

03:13:27 DID YOU PRESENT THAT AS EVIDENCE TO THE RECORD AND TO THE

03:13:31 PARTY THAT'S INVOLVED WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS?

03:13:34 JOHN GRANDOFF: NO, I HAVE NOT.

03:13:35 I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE PROPER FORUM TO HAVE THE

03:13:38 EVIDENCE CONSIDERED.

03:13:38 I HAVE THE REPORT HERE, BUT THE VRB SHOULD HEAR THE

03:13:42 EVIDENCE, NOT YOU.

03:13:43 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE ONE AND DON'T HAVE THE OTHER.

03:13:45 JOHN GRANDOFF: I HAVE IT HERE.

03:13:46 I'M PREPARED TO PROVIDE IT.

03:13:50 CHARLIE MIRANDA: DUE PROCESS, THIS IS THE ONE, NOT THE

03:13:53 OTHER.

03:13:53 JOHN DINGFELDER: MY POINT IS, I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO

03:13:56 EITHER ONE.

03:13:56 I WANT TO SEND BOTH OF THOSE REPORTS BACK TO THE VRB.

03:14:00 THAT'S WHAT MY PENDING MOTION IS.

03:14:01 ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WE'RE RECEIVING

03:14:06 THIS DOCUMENT IN THE NINTH HOUR AND MR. GRANDOFF HASN'T

03:14:11 RECEIVED IT.

03:14:12 JOHN DINGFELDER: HE GOT IT NOW.

03:14:13 ORLANDO GUDES: GOT IT NOW BUT WHAT GOOD -- GETTING IT NOW.

03:14:17 I JUST GOT THIS NOW AND I'M GOING TO READ ALL THIS NOW AND




03:14:19 MAKE A DECISION?

03:14:21 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER FOLKS?

03:14:23 ARE THEY NOT THERE?

03:14:24 MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE, IF YOU ASK THEM TO COME UP.

03:14:29 CAN YOU ASK MR. MICHELINI TO COME UP?

03:14:34 JOHN DINGFELDER: I GOT A SECOND I THINK FROM MR.

03:14:36 MANISCALCO.

03:14:36 MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BUT THERE'S

03:14:39 NO ACTION UNTIL YOU WANT TO HEAR THE PARTIES.

03:14:44 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MICHELINI, YOU HEARD THE LIMITATION.

03:14:48 ORLANDO GUDES: BE SWORN IN.

03:14:53 THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

03:14:55 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT

03:14:57 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

03:15:00 STEVE MICHELINI: IT IS.

03:15:01 THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

03:15:02 JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. MICHELINI,

03:15:04 IS TO REMAND IT BACK SO THE VRB CAN HEAR ALL THESE TECHNICAL

03:15:09 DETAILS ABOUT STORMWATER AND FLOODING AND THAT SORT OF THING

03:15:12 WHICH APPARENTLY THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE LAST TIME.

03:15:14 I KNOW YOUR CLIENTS ARE DISAPPOINTED ABOUT ANY CONTINUANCES

03:15:18 THAT ARE DELAYING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE POOL, BUT IF YOU

03:15:20 COULD LIMIT YOUR RESPONSE TO MY MOTION, WHICH IS TO REMAND,

03:15:24 THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

03:15:26 STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT.




03:15:28 THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THE ISSUE REGARDING

03:15:31 FLOODING.

03:15:32 I PRESENTED DOCUMENTATION THAT INDICATED THAT YOU COULD NOT

03:15:36 CAUSE OFF-SITE FLOODING.

03:15:40 JOHN DINGFELDER: DID YOU GIVE THIS REPORT, STEVE?

03:15:42 STEVE MICHELINI: THIS REPORT WE JUST GOT.

03:15:44 BUT THIS IS A DE NOVO HEARING.

03:15:46 SO MR. GRANDOFF HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PREPARE OR REQUEST A

03:15:51 DRAINAGE REPORT TO BE PREPARED.

03:15:53 IN ANTICIPATION OF HIS QUESTIONS, WHICH HE RAISED IN HIS

03:15:57 APPEAL THAT WE ENGAGED AN ENGINEER TO COME IN AND CERTIFY

03:16:01 WHAT I HAD ALREADY PUT ON THE RECORD.

03:16:03 I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO REMAND THIS BACK TO

03:16:07 THE VRB, THAT YOU HEAR THE FULL TESTIMONY THAT WE'RE READY

03:16:12 TO PUT ON, INCLUDING OUR EXPERT ENGINEER.

03:16:16 MR. GRANDOFF COULD HAVE ENGAGED AN ENGINEER TO BRING FORWARD

03:16:21 TO THIS HEARING.

03:16:22 AS IT SITS NOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD WITHOUT PREJUDICE

03:16:27 AS IF IT WERE A NEW HEARING.

03:16:30 I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE GET BY RESENDING IT BACK WITHOUT

03:16:34 YOU ALL HEARING IT.

03:16:34 YOU MAY COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT YOU EITHER SUPPORT

03:16:38 US OR YOU DENY IT OR YOU REMAND IT.

03:16:41 YOU STILL HAVE THOSE OPTIONS.

03:16:43 BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE




03:16:45 FACTS, AND THESE PROCEDURAL ISSUES ARE NOT NEW FOR THIS

03:16:50 PARTICULAR CASE, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT MR. GRANDOFF HAS

03:16:54 RAISED PROCEDURAL ISSUES ON THIS CASE FROM THE VERY

03:16:57 BEGINNING.

03:16:57 WE'RE PREPARED TO GO FORWARD IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE

03:17:05 COUNCIL.

03:17:10 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MICHELINI OR MR. GRANDOFF, IF I CAN,

03:17:18 ARE EITHER EXPERTS GOING TO BE TESTIFYING TO ANYTHING IN THE

03:17:20 REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TODAY?

03:17:26 JOHN GRANDOFF: I'M SUBMITTING MY EXPERT'S REPORT, AND I'M

03:17:28 GOING TO BE QUOTING FROM HIS REPORT.

03:17:29 MARTIN SHELBY: AND WAS THAT PROVIDED TO MR. MICHELINI?

03:17:32 JOHN GRANDOFF: NO.

03:17:34 MARTIN SHELBY: AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MR. MICHELINI'S

03:17:36 REPORT HAS JUST BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU JUST NOW?

03:17:40 JOHN GRANDOFF: JUST NOW.

03:17:40 THE PROPER FORUM IS THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD WHERE WE CAN

03:17:41 HAVE EXCHANGE OF EVIDENCE.

03:17:43 MAY I BE HEARD FOR A MOMENT ON THE MOTION?

03:17:45 HOLD ON ONE SECOND, MR. GRANDOFF.

03:17:45 MR. CITRO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

03:17:50 JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MICHELINI, ARE YOU STILL THERE?

03:17:53 MR. MICHELINI, YOU CAN SEE ME, CAN'T YOU?

03:17:53 STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.

03:17:53 JOSEPH CITRO: THIS REPORT I HAVE IN MY HAND, THIS IS




03:18:06 COMING FROM YOU?

03:18:06 STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.

03:18:08 JOSEPH CITRO: HOW MUCH OF THIS REPORT CAN YOU REMEMBER WAS

03:18:10 PRESENTED TO THE VRB DURING THAT HEARING?

03:18:18 STEVE MICHELINI: SPECIFICALLY THAT REPORT?

03:18:19 JOSEPH CITRO: GIVE ME A BALLPARK FIGURE.

03:18:21 50%, 60%, 100%?

03:18:21 STEVE MICHELINI: THE INFORMATION REGARDING DRAINAGE AND

03:18:23 IMPACTING OFF-SITE PROPERTIES WAS 100% PROVIDED TO THE

03:18:27 BOARD.

03:18:27 JOHN DINGFELDER: UNDER WHOSE TESTIMONY?

03:18:30 STEVE MICHELINI: UNDER MY TESTIMONY.

03:18:31 THE WRITTEN REPORT WAS JUST COMPLETED YESTERDAY.

03:18:37 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

03:18:38 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, AND WE'LL BRING THIS IN

03:18:48 FOR A LANDING.

03:18:48 ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

03:18:52 I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE CRITERIA FOR A VARIANCE

03:18:54 REVIEW BOARD HEARING, THE BOARD DOES NOT LOOK AT STORMWATER.

03:18:57 THAT'S NOT REALLY A CRITERIA THEY ARE LOOKING AT.

03:19:00 THE CRITERIA ARE THE FIVE CRITERIA LISTED IN THE CODE THAT

03:19:02 ARE -- THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA, WHICH I THINK

03:19:05 MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS PROVIDED TO YOU AND MS. BARNES

03:19:09 REFERENCED IN HER PRESENTATION.

03:19:12 THE ACTUAL DETERMINATION OF STORMWATER IMPACT IS REVIEWED AT




03:19:15 TIME OF PERMITTING.

03:19:16 THAT'S WHEN IT'S REVIEWED FOR STORMWATER TECHNICAL STANDARD.

03:19:19 IT'S NOT PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE VARIANCE.

03:19:21 THE BOARD SHOULD NOT BE MAKING A MOTION EITHER FOR OR

03:19:25 AGAINST A VARIANCE BASED ON STORMWATER.

03:19:29 THAT IS A TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE THAT REGARDLESS

03:19:32 OF WHAT THE BOARD DOES OR THEY DON'T DO HAS TO BE APPROVED

03:19:36 BY CITY STAFF WHEN IT'S REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING.

03:19:39 SO WHETHER IT'S AT FIVE FEET OR IT'S AT THREE FEET, THAT IS

03:19:43 STILL A REVIEW DONE AT TIME OF PERMITTING.

03:19:47 JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THAT STATEMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:19:51 ERIC, I DON'T DIFFER WITH YOU IN REGARD TO THE PROCESS, BUT

03:19:55 THE VARIANCE HARDSHIP CRITERIA, ITEM C SAYS THAT THE

03:19:59 VARIANCE, IF GRANTED, WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE WITH

03:20:03 OR INJURE THE HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE OF OTHERS WHOSE

03:20:06 PROPERTY WOULD BE AFFECTED BY ALLOWANCE OF THE VARIANCE.

03:20:11 I THINK WE MIGHT BE SPLITTING HAIRS IF WE SAY THAT THE

03:20:13 NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO HONESTLY BELIEVES AND NOW HAS AN

03:20:20 ENGINEER SUPPORTING THEIR CONCERNS OF A FUTURE FLOODING

03:20:21 PROBLEM IF THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED.

03:20:21 SO I THINK THAT THEY ARE EITHER VERY SQUARELY ON ITEM C OF

03:20:30 THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA 27-80 OR THEY ARE VERY CLOSE TO IT.

03:20:36 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I DO RESPECT YOU,

03:20:39 ERIC.

03:20:39 I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH GOING FORWARD WITHOUT ALLOWING A




03:20:44 DISCUSSION OF THAT.

03:20:49 ERIC COTTON: I FULLY UNDERSTAND, MR. DINGFELDER.

03:20:51 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO REMAND.

03:20:53 WHO MADE THE MOTION?

03:20:55 IT WAS DINGFELDER AND MANISCALCO SECOND.

03:20:57 WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THAT?

03:21:03 MARTIN SHELBY: PLEASE.

03:21:06 CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I HEARD EVERYTHING CORRECTLY FOR WHAT

03:21:08 MR. COTTON SAID, ALL THIS, WHETHER IT'S THIS REPORT OR THE

03:21:12 OTHER REPORT THAT WASN'T SHOWN AT ANY TIME, THIS ONE TODAY,

03:21:16 THAT IT'S NOT THIS BODY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TALK ABOUT THE

03:21:21 STORMWATER.

03:21:21 THAT COMES AT PERMITTING TIME, AM I CORRECT OR INCORRECT?

03:21:29 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY

03:21:32 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

03:21:33 YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

03:21:34 WHAT MR. COTTON WAS SAYING, THAT'S A PERMITTING ISSUE.

03:21:38 CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS BOARD TO

03:21:40 ADDRESS.

03:21:42 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: IT'S NOT AN ISSUE TO ADDRESS

03:21:44 WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE PERMITTING

03:21:46 ISSUE BECAUSE STAFF WILL ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

03:21:49 BUT AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER RAISED, IS THAT THERE ARE

03:21:53 HARDSHIP CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE MET ACCORDING TO 27-80.

03:21:57 SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER OR




03:21:59 NOT THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO

03:22:03 THAT.

03:22:05 BUT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, STAFF WILL DETERMINE

03:22:08 WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY STORMWATER ISSUES.

03:22:11 CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE STEP FURTHER BACKWARDS.

03:22:13 NOT THIS BOARD OR NOT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HAS THAT

03:22:16 ISSUE TO HANDLE, RIGHT?

03:22:17 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CORRECT.

03:22:18 THEY CANNOT ADDRESS ANY PERMITTING ISSUES REGARDING

03:22:21 STORMWATER.

03:22:21 THEY CAN ONLY FOCUS ON WHETHER THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA HAS

03:22:24 BEEN MET.

03:22:24 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

03:22:27 ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO

03:22:28 REMAND.

03:22:30 ROLL CALL VOTE WILL BE TAKEN.

03:22:34 BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:22:36 JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

03:22:37 CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.

03:22:39 LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:22:41 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:22:43 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:22:44 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:22:46 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND MIRANDA

03:22:48 VOTING NO.




03:22:55 ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

03:22:56 ITEM 67.

03:22:58 JOHN GRANDOFF: MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER, DO YOU NEED

03:23:01 TO DIRECT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD TO RESET THAT MATTER BY

03:23:04 YOUR MOTION OR IS IT SELF-EXECUTING.

03:23:09 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY

03:23:10 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

03:23:11 THE DEPARTMENT WILL SET THIS FOR A NEW HEARING BASED ON THE

03:23:16 MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL MADE.

03:23:19 JOHN GRANDOFF: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON.

03:23:22 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 67.

03:23:28 MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 67 --

03:23:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO WITHDRAW THAT.

03:23:30 WE DID THAT EARLIER, RIGHT?

03:23:31 MARTIN SHELBY: NO, ACTUALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS

03:23:33 BEEN.

03:23:34 A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL.

03:23:37 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY MR.

03:23:39 MIRANDA.

03:23:42 JOHN GRANDOFF: COULD I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND?

03:23:48 STEVE MICHELINI: ON 66, SIR.

03:23:51 ORLANDO GUDES: WE ALREADY HEARD THAT.

03:23:52 STEVE MICHELINI: I UNDERSTAND THAT.

03:23:54 MR. GRANDOFF REFERRED TO AN ENGINEERING AND DRAINAGE REPORT.

03:23:57 WE'D LIKE A COPY OF THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.




03:23:59 HE'S INDICATED HE DOES NOT HAVE A COPY.

03:24:05 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THAT UP WITH YOUR

03:24:08 ATTORNEY AND TAKE IT UP WITH THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD AND

03:24:11 THE ATTORNEY.

03:24:11 WE'RE MOVING ON.

03:24:12 THANK YOU, SIR.

03:24:13 ITEM 67, THERE'S A MOTION TO WITHDRAW.

03:24:21 MR. DINGFELDER MOTION.

03:24:23 SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.

03:24:24 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

03:24:28 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:24:28 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

03:24:29 LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:24:30 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:24:31 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:24:33 BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:24:34 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:24:35 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:24:37 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 68, FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.

03:24:45 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE THAT HAD SOMEBODY

03:24:48 WHO WAS REGISTERED ONLINE.

03:24:50 WE'RE NOT LIVE ONLINE YET.

03:24:52 ARE WE LIVE BACK ON THE INTERNET?

03:24:55 THE CLERK: YES.

03:24:56 YES, WE'RE LIVE.




03:25:00 MARTIN SHELBY: NOBODY REGISTERED ON NUMBER 68 THAT'S

03:25:03 ONLINE?

03:25:03 THE CLERK: THE ONE PERSON THAT WAS REGISTERED IS NOT

03:25:05 LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME.

03:25:08 MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.

03:25:08 THANK YOU.

03:25:12 ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

03:25:13 ROSS SIMMONS, RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING COORDINATOR FOR THE

03:25:16 CITY OF TAMPA.

03:25:17 I AM HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 68, FILE VAC 20-17.

03:25:26 IT'S AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AND

03:25:29 CONSIDERATION.

03:25:29 AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND

03:25:32 ABANDONING A PORTION OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY OR ALLEYWAY LOCATED

03:25:35 SOUTH OF KNOLLWOOD STREET, NORTH OF FORD STREET, EAST OF

03:25:39 DIXON AVENUE, AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF

03:25:43 AVALON HEIGHTS, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,

03:25:45 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN

03:25:48 SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS,

03:25:52 COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY

03:25:55 SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:25:57 I PASSED AROUND SLIDES TO SHOW YOU, AND I WILL PRESENT THOSE

03:26:08 HERE.

03:26:09 JOHN DINGFELDER: WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL, BY THE WAY.

03:26:10 ALL THESE FOLKS WE'VE SEEN AS GHOSTS ON TELEVISION.




03:26:13 CONTRARY TO PUBLIC OPINION, WE DON'T BITE.

03:26:42 GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE.

03:26:43 THIS ALLEYWAY WAS CREATED BY THE SUBDIVISION PLAT OF AVALON

03:26:47 HEIGHTS.

03:26:49 THE ALLEY IS UNIMPROVED.

03:26:52 CURRENTLY GRASS AND DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE USED BY ANY --

03:26:56 ONLY FOR ACCESS.

03:26:59 PARTIALLY FENCED ON NORTH AND SOUTH ENDS.

03:27:01 WASTEWATER AND FRONTIER HAVE FACILITIES IN THE ALLEY.

03:27:05 AND THERE IS AN ACTIVE CODE CASE FOR FENCING IN THE

03:27:12 RIGHT-OF-WAY.

03:27:12 THIS IS A CLIP OF THE PLAT FOR AVALON HEIGHTS.

03:27:22 IT IS IN BLOCK 28.

03:27:26 PARCEL IN CONSIDERATION IS LOT ONE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME

03:27:31 OF THESE PREVIOUS ALLEYWAYS THAT ARE VACATED ARE HATCHED AND

03:27:37 THE CURRENT ONE APPLICATION IS IN BLOCK 28.

03:27:43 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM KNOLLWOOD STREET.

03:27:59 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING NORTH FROM FORD AVENUE.

03:28:12 JOSEPH CITRO: IS THE ALLEYWAY -- CAN YOU PUT THAT BACK UP,

03:28:14 PLEASE?

03:28:15 IS THE ALLEYWAY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT TELEPHONE POLE?

03:28:18 WHERE ALL THE OVERGROWTH IS?

03:28:24 YES.

03:28:26 JOHN DINGFELDER: HOLD THAT ONE SECOND.

03:28:28 THEY SAID THE FENCE OBSTRUCTS THE ALLEYWAY.




03:28:32 JOSEPH CITRO: YET IT IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE TELEPHONE

03:28:36 POLE.

03:28:37 JOHN DINGFELDER: I THOUGHT IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE FENCE IS.

03:28:40 IN OTHER WORDS, THE TELEPHONE POLE IS IN THE MIDDLE --

03:28:44 IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY IN THE MIDDLE BUT WITHIN THAT

03:28:47 ALLEYWAY, YES.

03:28:49 THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE EASEMENT RESERVATIONS,

03:28:55 RECOMMENDATIONS.

03:28:56 THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING WEST FROM DIXON

03:29:05 AVENUE.

03:29:07 THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM

03:29:15 FORD STREET, AND THIS IS THE AREA NOT TO BE VACATED.

03:29:23 JOSEPH CITRO: NOT TO SPLIT HAIRS, WHERE IS THE ALLEYWAY ON

03:29:25 THAT PICTURE?

03:29:42 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM FORD STREET,

03:29:45 WHICH IS NOT TO BE VACATED, AND THAT IS 33 HERE.

03:29:52 JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, I DO NOT MEAN TO SPLIT HAIRS.

03:29:55 IS THAT CONCRETE SLAB IN THE ALLEYWAY OR FENCE IN THE

03:29:59 ALLEYWAY OR BOTH?

03:30:03 ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF ORDER.

03:30:04 MR. CITRO HAS THE FLOOR.

03:30:07 TECHNICALLY, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TECHNICALLY SAY ONE

03:30:10 OR THE OTHER WITHOUT A FULL SURVEY, BUT FROM THE LOOKS OF

03:30:15 IT, THEY ARE BOTH --

03:30:17 JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, NO OFFENSE TO YOU, BUT YOU ARE SAYING




03:30:19 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY AND I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE

03:30:21 ALLEYWAY IS.

03:30:22 CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER PICTURE, PLEASE?

03:30:24 MR. CHAIR, PLEASE, INDULGE ME.

03:30:27 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

03:30:29 JOSEPH CITRO: THE OTHER ONE.

03:30:30 THE OTHER PICTURE.

03:30:32 THERE ARE A BUNCH OF OTHER PICTURES.

03:30:34 JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY.

03:30:34 THE ONE WITH THE TELEPHONE POLE.

03:30:37 NOW, YOU SAY THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY.

03:30:43 AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET MY BEARING ON THESE PICTURES.

03:30:46 IS IT THE PART THAT'S OVERGROWN?

03:30:50 YES.

03:30:51 PARTIALLY OVERGROWN AND THAT TELEPHONE POLE.

03:30:57 JOSEPH CITRO: I'M TRYING TO GET MY BEARING AND TRY TO

03:31:00 VISUALIZE WHERE THIS ALLEYWAY USED TO BE BEFORE THE

03:31:04 OVERGROWTH, BEFORE THE FENCE, BEFORE THE CONCRETE SLAB.

03:31:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

03:31:07 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

03:31:10 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

03:31:13 JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM FORD --

03:31:19 FORD LOOKING NORTH.

03:31:20 BLOCK 28.

03:31:20 JOHN DINGFELDER: THE OTHER PICTURE YOU SHOWED US THAT HAD




03:31:22 THE OLD LOOKING FENCE -- PUT THAT MAP BACK UP -- THE OTHER

03:31:32 PICTURE YOU SHOWED US WAS LOOKING SOUTH FROM FORD TO SHOW US

03:31:37 WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET.

03:31:38 AGAIN, NOW PUT THAT PICTURE BACK UP WITH THE OLD LOOKING

03:31:41 FENCE.

03:31:42 THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH AT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY

03:31:47 RELEVANT.

03:31:55 JOSEPH CITRO: I'M NOT DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED.

03:31:57 I JUST WANTED TO VISUALIZE WHERE THE ALLEYWAY SHOULD BE.

03:32:00 IF YOU'RE LOOKING ONE WAY ON AN ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH,

03:32:07 OBVIOUSLY ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH.

03:32:09 BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THE ALLEY USED TO BE.

03:32:13 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

03:32:15 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE GOOD NOW, SIR.

03:32:16 ALL RIGHT.

03:32:17 YOU MAY CONTINUE, SIR.

03:32:21 HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE.

03:32:24 CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING NORTH FROM KNOLLWOOD

03:32:27 STREET.

03:32:27 THAT'S AGAIN NOT TO BE VACATED.

03:32:29 THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED WITH THE APPLICATION.

03:32:32 FINALLY, THE RECOMMENDATION, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS

03:32:37 REQUEST, EASEMENTS FOR WASTEWATER AND FRONTIER MUST BE

03:32:41 RETAINED OVERALL AND COMPLY WITH CONDITIONS FOR NATURAL

03:32:43 RESOURCES.




03:32:44 AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE TELEPHONE POLE SITUATION THAT

03:32:47 YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

03:32:48 THANK YOU.

03:32:52 ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

03:32:54 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.

03:32:55 DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT.

03:32:57 YOU'RE GOOD.

03:32:57 ORLANDO GUDES: ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM?

03:32:59 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

03:33:16 RHODES.

03:33:17 I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER.

03:33:19 ORLANDO GUDES: SWORN IN.

03:33:21 [OATH ADMINISTERED]

03:33:30 MY NAME IS BILL RHODES.

03:33:31 I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE ALLEY BEHIND MY HOUSE I'M

03:33:35 TRYING TO VACATE.

03:33:36 AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS BEEN WELL TAKEN CARE OF.

03:33:38 I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND

03:33:41 HAVE MY FENCE, VINYL FENCE THAT'S ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY.

03:33:45 THERE'S BEEN A FENCE THERE -- I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 21 YEARS.

03:33:51 BEEN A FENCE THERE THE WHOLE TIME.

03:33:51 IT WAS A DILAPIDATED WOODEN FENCE AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS

03:33:58 REALLY COMING UP.

03:33:58 WE HAVE $400,000 HOME THAT JUST SOLD RECENTLY AND A $300,000

03:34:03 BEHIND MY HOUSE.




03:34:04 SO I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEFINITELY

03:34:09 FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY ON TRIMMING THE

03:34:12 TREES AND KEEPING THE GRASS DOWN AND THE WEEDS.

03:34:15 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THAT I'VE TAKEN FROM YOU TO EXPLAIN

03:34:21 MY SITUATION.

03:34:22 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

03:34:23 ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

03:34:26

03:34:30 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST TO CONFIRM --

03:34:37 ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE?

03:34:45 MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.

03:34:45 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

03:34:47 ROLL CALL PLEASE.

03:34:48 ORLANDO GUDES: WILL YOU MOVE IT, SIR?

03:35:03 LUIS VIERA: SURE. MOVE AN ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING

03:35:14 CONSIDERATION, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING

03:35:16 A PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEY LOCATED SOUTH OF

03:35:21 KNOLLWOOD STREET NORTH OF FORD STREET EAST OF DIXON AVENUE

03:35:24 AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF AVALON HEIGHTS

03:35:28 A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

03:35:30 FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT

03:35:33 TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS,CO COVENANTS, CONDITIONS

03:35:37 AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN

03:35:40 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:35:41 GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.




03:35:44 ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.

03:35:47 MR. DINGFELDER.

03:35:47 JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF VACATING ALLEYS, AS

03:35:51 MOST OF YOU KNOW, AND MR. CARLSON AND I ARE OFTEN IN

03:35:56 OPPOSITION TO THESE.

03:35:57 BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE LOOKS LIKE IT ONLY HAS AN IMPACT

03:36:00 POTENTIALLY ON FOUR HOUSES AND SPECIFICALLY HAS A TELEPHONE

03:36:08 POLE THAT WOULD BLOCK ANY ACCESS, VEHICULAR ACCESS OR WHAT

03:36:13 HAVE YOU.

03:36:14 AND IT'S APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE NEVER BEEN

03:36:18 USED BY ANY OF THOSE FOUR HOUSES.

03:36:20 SO IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION.

03:36:23 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

03:36:24 ROLL CALL.

03:36:25 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

03:36:27 LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:36:28 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:36:30 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:36:31 BILL CARLSON: NO.

03:36:33 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:36:35 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:36:37 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.

03:36:40 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

03:36:43 WELL, IT'S WELL PAST 1:30 SO WE GO TO ITEM 69.

03:36:48 THE CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON




03:36:51 JULY 15th, 2021 AT 9:30 A.M., AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO

03:36:56 ITEM NUMBER 5 AND 6 BECAUSE I THINK I FAILED TO MENTION

03:37:00 THOSE.

03:37:01 FOR BOTH OF THOSE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL ALSO

03:37:03 BEING HELD ON JULY 15, 2021 AT 9:30 A.M.

03:37:07 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

03:37:11 ITEM 69.

03:37:13 CHIEF OF STAFF.

03:37:13 GOOD AFTERNOON.

03:37:19 I AM NOT THE CHIEF OF STAFF BUT I AM HERE RESPECTFULLY ON

03:37:22 BEHALF OF CHIEF OF STAFF, CAROLE POST, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

03:37:25 OPPORTUNITY.

03:37:26 TODAY I HAVE TWO ITEMS TO REPORT TO YOU UNDER THE

03:37:28 ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.

03:37:32 SAVING CHIEF OF STAFF THE STEPS ACROSS THE PARKING LOT.

03:37:37 FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ABBYE FEELEY UP.

03:37:40 THERE WAS A MEMO TRANSMITTED TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

03:37:43 REQUESTING DIALOGUE AND I HOPE SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT HE

03:37:46 SCHEDULING OR RESETTING SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT WOULD BE

03:37:50 BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, IN AN EFFORT

03:37:53 TO CATCH UP ON SOME OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS AND OTHER

03:37:57 MATTERS, AS WE KNOW THEY ARE EXTENDING SO FAR INTO THE

03:38:00 NIGHT, AND ALSO GETTING BACK UP ON CALENDARING.

03:38:04 ABBEY CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT.

03:38:06 I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO




03:38:09 HELP KIND OF SEE US THROUGH CATCHING THOSE CASES UP, AND

03:38:12 GETTING OURSELVES BACK ON COURSE.

03:38:14 SECONDLY WOULD BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY MYSELF AND CHIEF

03:38:19 BUILDING OFFICIAL JOHN HUTCHINSON WHO IS HERE IN THE

03:38:22 AUDIENCE AS WELL TO UPDATE THIS GROUP ON MORE THAN A YEAR'S

03:38:25 WORTH OF ACTIVITY THAT'S BEEN DONE AT OUR CONSTRUCTION

03:38:29 SERVICES AND OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CENTER RELATIVE TO

03:38:32 CUSTOMER SERVICE IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER WAYS TO MAKE IT

03:38:35 EASIER TO DO BUSINESS WITH ON THE DEVELOPMENT FRONT.

03:38:39 SO I HAVE THOSE TWO PRESENTATIONS.

03:38:41 I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES

03:38:44 HERE AT THE CITY WITH INTERNET AND WI-FI ACCESS.

03:38:47 THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SEEING SOME OF THE ACTUAL BODIES OF THE

03:38:50 FRIENDLY FACES OF OUR COORDINATION TEAM HERE, AND I WOULD

03:38:53 LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY SCRAMBLE VERY QUICKLY TO COME BE

03:38:57 ON-SITE.

03:38:58 I HEARD SOMEONE TOOK A SCOOTER OVER HERE TO MAKE IT ON TIME.

03:39:02 SO I APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS.

03:39:04 SO WITH THAT LET ME TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR ABBYE FEELEY

03:39:07 FOR THE FIRST TIME WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE A MEMORANDUM ABOUT

03:39:10 AROUND RESCHEDULING SOME OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL AND OTHER

03:39:13 RELATED MATTERS ON THE CALENDAR.

03:39:15 THANKS.

03:39:15 JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ARE GOING TO MAKE VIK REALLY HAPPY IF

03:39:20 YOU ARE USING A SCOOTER.




03:39:22 INCLUDING SCOOTER JOE.

03:39:36 JC HAS BEEN OUT WITH ME ON SOME RECENT PROJECTS SO WE ARE

03:39:40 EXCITED TO HAVE HIM WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON FOR THAT

03:39:42 PRESENTATION AS WELL.

03:39:43 I JUST WANTED TO START BRIEFLY AND WISH YOU A HAPPY

03:39:46 BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN CITRO.

03:39:48 I DID NOTE GET TO DO THAT WHEN I FIRST CAME UP.

03:39:51 JOSEPH CITRO: I WANT TO THANK ALL FOR HAVING THIS IN

03:40:03 FRONT OF ME ESPECIALLY YOU, ABBEY, THAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING

03:40:07 YEARS.

03:40:08 THANK YOU, MRS. FEELEY.

03:40:12 ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.

03:40:13 I THINK ANASTASIA BARNES, SHE ACTUALLY BROKE HER ANKLE SO

03:40:17 SHE WAS DOWN HERE ON A ME SCOOTER TODAY.

03:40:20 WE DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD COUNCIL UP.

03:40:22 SO REALLY THANKFUL TO MY TEAM FOR JUMPING INTO ACTION AND

03:40:27 BEING PRESENT THIS AFTERNOON.

03:40:29 I KNOW IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS GIVEN THE PANDEMIC AND OTHER

03:40:32 ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF

03:40:35 DIFFERENT CONCESSIONS IN KEEPING OUR BUSINESS MOVING FORWARD

03:40:38 INCLUDING BEING AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, BEING HERE, BEING

03:40:42 HYBRID, BEING JUST INTERACTING IN SO MANY NEW DIFFERENT

03:40:46 WAYS.

03:40:47 I AM HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE UPCOMING COUNCIL

03:40:49 CALENDAR AND OUR APPLICATION FILINGS FOR THE REMAINDER OF




03:40:54 THE YEAR.

03:40:57 A BIT OF BACKGROUND.

03:40:59 HAVING PROCESSED THE REZONINGS TO COUNCIL FOR CLOSE TO 15

03:41:02 YEARS MYSELF, WE ALWAYS WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE 13 ITEMS ON THE

03:41:07 AGENDA.

03:41:08 WE USED THOSE TYPICALLY AS TEN NEW ITEMS AND THREE PENDING

03:41:11 ITEMS.

03:41:12 SO WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU, WHEN A CONTINUANCE OCCURRED, WE

03:41:18 WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL SLOT READY FOR THEM TO GO TO.

03:41:20 RECENTLY, COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GO TO TEN

03:41:25 ITEMS, AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT, BUT BASED ON THIS

03:41:30 DIRECTION AND LIMITATION OF TEN AND OUR CURRENT RATE OF

03:41:34 FILINGS, WE NOW HAVE APPLICATIONS SCHEDULED OUT TILL

03:41:37 DECEMBER.

03:41:38 AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHY IT'S KIND OF WEIRD.

03:41:57 HERE IS OUR APPLICATION DEADLINE.

03:41:59 AS YOU ALL NEW YORK CITY WE WORK OPEN A CYCLE.

03:42:01 APPLICATIONS COME IN, 30 DAYS LATER, GO TO CRC, 30 DAYS

03:42:06 LATER REVISED, 30 DAYS LATER THEY COME TO YOU SO WE ARE

03:42:09 ABOUT A 90 TO 105 PROCESS FOR REZONINGS THAT COME BEFORE

03:42:14 YOU.

03:42:24 ON MAY 24th WE HAD A LARGE NUMBER OF FILINGS BUT WITH

03:42:27 THE TEN-CASE LIMITATION, WE FILLED UP THROUGH DECEMBER.

03:42:33 WE HAVE ONE CASE NOW ON DECEMBER.

03:42:35 SO NEXT WEEK ON JUNE 28th WE WILL HAVE OUR NEXT




03:42:39 DEADLINE.

03:42:40 THOSE TEN CASES IN THEORY WOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THE

03:42:42 OCTOBER 14th HEARING BUT THERE'S ALREADY TEN MAX.

03:42:46 SO WE ARE ABOUT 21 CASES OVER THE CYCLE WHERE WE TECHNICALLY

03:42:54 SHOULD BE.

03:42:54 SO ANYTHING THAT COMES IN I KNOW WILL FINISH UP DECEMBER AND

03:42:59 THEN WE'LL GO TO JANUARY.

03:43:01 BUT WE ARE AHEAD OF OURSELVES BY SEVERAL MONTHS IN WHAT'S

03:43:04 COMING IN.

03:43:07 SO I DID PROVIDE A MEMORANDUM TO YOU AND A COUPLE OF

03:43:13 RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU

03:43:16 AND SEE IF THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING.

03:43:18 THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS -- OH, I'M SORRY, ONE THING I

03:43:22 FAILED TO GO OVER.

03:43:24 IN ADDITION TO US PLACING CASES ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION

03:43:27 COMES TO YOU AND ALSO ASKS FOR ONE OF THOSE NIGHT HEARINGS.

03:43:31 AND THEY USED TO USE ONE OF THE SECOND HEARINGS OF THE

03:43:34 MONTH, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE 15 CASES THAT THEY ARE

03:43:38 GETTING READY TO COME TO YOU TO SET.

03:43:40 WELL, IF THEY USE ONE OF OUR TWO EVENING HEARINGS, THEN WE

03:43:47 WON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO PUT ANY CASES ON THAT NIGHT.

03:43:50 SO MY FIRST RECOM