Tampa City Council
Thursday, June 17, 2021
9:00 a.m.
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09:04:33 [GAVEL SOUNDING]
09:04:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMING TO
09:04:41 ORDER.
09:04:42 GOOD MORNING.
09:04:44 INVOCATION, MR. CITRO.
09:04:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:04:51 AN HONOR AND PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE ALEXANDER PADILLA
09:04:53 II.
09:04:55 HE IS A NATIVE OF SPRING HILL.
09:04:58 A GRADUATE OF UCF.
09:05:04 HE CONTINUED HIS PRIESTLY FORMATION AT SAINT JOHN
09:05:17 VIENY PONTIFICAL COLLEGE AND STUDIED CANON LAW OF ST.
09:05:21 THOMAS AQUINAS IN ROME AND AT THE CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY
09:05:21 OF AMERICA.
09:05:26 HE HAS BEEN THE VICAR OF CHRIST THE KING PARISH OF
09:05:29 TAMPA SINCE 2020 IN JULY.
09:05:36 HE WILL SERVE AS THE PROFESSOR OF CANON LAW AT VINCENT
09:05:38 DEPAUL SEMINARY.
09:05:40 FATHER, VERY NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE.
09:05:44 PLEASE LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND EVERYONE PLEASE RISE
09:05:47 AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:05:48 FATHER.
09:05:51 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
09:05:52 ALSO HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
09:05:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:05:57 >> SINCE I AM A CATHOLIC PRIEST, I WILL BEGIN WITH THE
09:05:59 SIGN OF THE CROSS.
09:06:01 IF YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC, I MEAN NO OFFENSE.
09:06:04 OF THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
09:06:05 AMEN.
09:06:07 LORD, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
09:06:11 GATHER TOGETHER IN PERSON TO DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE
09:06:14 CITY AFFAIRS HERE IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBER.
09:06:16 LORD, I ASK TO YOU BLESS THESE CONVERSATIONS, THESE
09:06:18 DELIBERATIONS.
09:06:22 I ASK YOU TO GUIDE THE DISCUSSION FOR THE BEST INTEREST
09:06:25 OF THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA AND OF THIS AREA.
09:06:29 AND IN A SPECIAL WAY, LORD, I ASK YOU TO BE PRESENCE IN
09:06:29 THIS ROOM.
09:06:32 TO BE PRESENT WITH ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE HERE.
09:06:35 AND IN A SPECIAL WAY, ASK TO YOU BLESS THEM AND THEIR
09:06:36 FAMILY.
09:06:38 LORD, LET THE COUNCIL PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS
09:06:40 WITH THEM AND YOU WILL ALWAYS LOVE THEM.
09:06:44 BE WITH THEM WHEREVER THEY MAY BE IN THIS CHAMBER AND
09:06:45 OUTSIDE OF IT.
09:06:48 AND ALWAYS DRAW THEM CLOSER TO YOUR HEART AND TO YOUR
09:06:48 LOVE.
09:06:51 I ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON ALL OF THEM AND THEIR
09:06:56 FAMILIES, FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN.
09:07:08 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:07:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FATHER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT
09:07:12 WONDERFUL INVOCATION.
09:07:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:07:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:07:17 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:07:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:07:22 >>CLERK: DINGFELDER.
09:07:23 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:07:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:07:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:07:30 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:07:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:07:36 MY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
09:07:39 AGAIN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:07:41 THURSDAY, JUNE 17, 2021.
09:07:44 WE ARE HERE IN CITY HALL DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF
09:07:48 EMERGENCY AND TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED LIVE
09:07:53 WITH THE IN-PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN
09:07:53 CHAMBERS.
09:07:57 MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY THROUGH
09:08:00 VIDEO CONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA STATUTES AND
09:08:04 RULES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
09:08:06 TODAY'S MEETING IS HELD WITHIN THE EMERGENCY RULES OF
09:08:11 PROCEDURES ADOPTED BY RESTITUTION 2020-225 AND AMENDED
09:08:17 2020-490 AND RESOLUTION 2021-241.
09:08:22 THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH ON
09:08:28 CABLE TV 640, SPECTRUM 15 AND ON THE INTERNET AT
09:08:33 TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM, ONE WORD.
09:08:38 MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN COMMUNICATE WITH CITY
09:08:38 COUNCIL.
09:08:41 THOSE ARE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT
09:08:46 IS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
09:08:53 WITH REGARD TO LAND USE AND ALCOHOLIC PUBLIC HEARING,
09:08:55 PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED BECAUSE VIDEO IS REQUIRED
09:08:58 AND CELL PHONE IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
09:08:59 THAT VIDEO ON OUR PLATFORM.
09:09:03 SO THAT REQUIRED YOUR PREREGISTERING.
09:09:07 IF YOU DID NOT PREREGISTER, YOU CAN PARTICIPATE HERE IN
09:09:10 PERSON AT OLD CITY HALL USING COMMUNICATION MEDIA
09:09:14 TECHNOLOGY THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR HERE
09:09:17 AT 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND PLEASE NOTE THAT THE
09:09:20 USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE THE BUILDING
09:09:21 ARE ENCOURAGED.
09:09:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:09:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
09:09:30 SKIP THROUGH HOUSEKEEPING AND GO THROUGH THE AGENDA IF
09:09:32 YOU WOULD, PLEASE, SIR.
09:09:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU COUNCIL THE
09:09:36 AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM.
09:09:42 IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR
09:09:46 SUBSTITUTIONS THAT COUNCIL IS REQUESTING, PERHAPS
09:09:50 PARTICULAR TO THE CONSENT DOCKET.
09:09:52 ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE PULLED FROM THE
09:09:56 CONSENT DOCKET BESIDES -- I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE
09:10:00 REQUEST THAT WAS MADE FRANKLY BY ME ON ITEM 61 TO HAVE
09:10:03 A SEPARATE VOTE UNDER STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE THAT IS
09:10:07 ADDING A NEW MEETING TO COUNCIL'S CALENDAR.
09:10:10 OTHER THAN THAT NO REQUESTS FOR CONSENT DOCKET, THEN I
09:10:15 AM GOING TO ASK WITH REGARD TO STAFF REPORTS, INTEREST
09:10:18 THERE ANY STAFF REPORTS THAT COUNCIL CAN BE RELEASED
09:10:22 FROM SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPEAR IN PERSON?
09:10:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, LET'S GO THROUGH ITEMS
09:10:28 WITH NO STAFF, NO COUNCILMEMBERS WILL MISS IT.
09:10:33 ANYBODY ON 70 NEEDS TO APPEAR?
09:10:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A -- THERE HAS BEEN A MEMO
09:10:38 ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
09:10:41 IS THERE ANY DESIRE TO HAVE COUNCIL PRESENT -- STAFF
09:10:44 PRESENT FOR NUMBER 70?
09:10:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF
09:10:47 QUESTIONS.
09:10:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S FINE, SIR.
09:10:51 THAT'S FINE.
09:10:55 MR. DINGFELDER, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA SO
09:10:58 GIVE YOU TIME PULL YOUR NOTES OUT TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO
09:11:04 PULL UP ANYTHING IN REFERENCE TO STAFF REPORTS.
09:11:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I STILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS -- THANK
09:11:07 YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:11:11 I STILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO ITEM 44.
09:11:12 SO IF WE COULD --
09:11:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 44?
09:11:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 44.
09:11:19 I WAS HOPING THEY GOT RESOLVED YESTERDAY, BUT THEY
09:11:19 DIDN'T.
09:11:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU REQUESTING, MR. DINGFELDER,
09:11:28 TO THAT PULLED AND STAFF PRESENT FOR DISCUSSION.
09:11:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, PLEASE.
09:11:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 44, OPPORTUNITY ZONES.
09:11:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:11:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 70, SIR.
09:11:39 MR. CITRO WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE PRESENT.
09:11:41 71.
09:11:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MEMO FROM MR. WILL FALK.
09:11:49 IF STAFF NEEDS TO BE PRESENT OR RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:11:50 I SEE NO RESPONSE.
09:11:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 72 AND 73 GO TOGETHER, GENTLEMEN.
09:11:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A -- A RESOLUTION REGARDING
09:12:04 ESTIMATED AMOUNTS OVER THE THRESHOLD TO PUT UNDER STAFF
09:12:04 REPORT.
09:12:06 IS THERE ANYBODY FROM CITY COUNCIL, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER
09:12:09 WHO WISHES TO HAVE STAFF PRESENT TO ADDRESS THOSE OR
09:12:12 MAY THEY BE RELEASED SO COUNCIL WOULD JUST MOVE THE
09:12:15 RESOLUTION?
09:12:18 I SEE NO RESPONSE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:12:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 74.
09:12:21 I BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE.
09:12:26 I SEE IT FOR OCTOBER 28.
09:12:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
09:12:31 WE CAN TAKE THAT CONTINUANCE UP TO 74 UNLESS COUNCIL
09:12:33 WANTS TO DO IT NOW AND TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA.
09:12:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MOVE 74 TO THE 28TH OF OCTOBER.
09:12:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:12:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MADE A MOTION.
09:12:46 MANISCALCO SECONDED.
09:12:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I CHANGE MY MIND OF ITEM 70.
09:12:55 I DO NOT NEED STAFF PRESENT.
09:12:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT COULD BE RECEIVED AND FILED.
09:13:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:13:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:13:06 CITRO AND MANISCALCO.
09:13:08 ALL IN FAVOR.
09:13:10 OPPOSED?
09:13:10 MOTION CARRIES.
09:13:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE AGENDA.
09:13:15 ITEM NUMBER 75 IS WHAT WE ARE UP TO, AND I BELIEVE
09:13:19 THERE WAS A REQUEST THERE OF STAFF REGARDING -- I DON'T
09:13:21 KNOW IF THERE WAS A DATE -- I AM SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF
09:13:24 THERE WAS A DATE ATTACHED TO THAT?
09:13:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE IS A REQUEST OF THE ADDEDUM
09:13:32 FROM MISS GRIMES FOR CONTINUANCE.
09:13:35 >> REFERENCED IT ON THE AGENDA FOR JULY 15.
09:13:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S WHERE I SAW IT.
09:13:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN WE DO THAT ONE IN AUGUST?
09:13:45 IF IT IS OKAY?
09:13:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES ON MONITOR?
09:13:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE ASKING FOR JULY 15, BUT I
09:13:55 BELIEVE MR. DINGFELDER IS SUGGESTING PERHAPS AUGUST
09:13:57 INSTEAD OF JULY 15.
09:13:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE NEXT ONE -- THE NEXT REGULAR
09:14:02 MEETING -- FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN AUGUST.
09:14:05 I AM SURE MISS GRIMES --
09:14:08 >>CLERK: THE NEXT REGULAR ONE IS AUGUST 5.
09:14:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH DATE?
09:14:11 >>CLERK: AUGUST 5.
09:14:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AUGUST 5 OKAY, MISS GRIMES.
09:14:21 >>GINA GRIMES: YES, THAT IS FINE.
09:14:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:14:27 OPPOSED.
09:14:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CHIEF TRIPP ON NUMBER 76, MR.
09:14:30 CHAIRMAN.
09:14:31 A REPORT AS WELL.
09:14:34 WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON THAT?
09:14:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT.
09:14:38 I THINK WE TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF -- I DON'T KNOW
09:14:42 IF HE GOT WITH CHIEF TRIPP ABOUT THAT.
09:14:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, MR. CHAIRMAN, DID
09:14:47 YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP UNDER STAFF REPORTS?
09:14:50 AND TO BE ABLE TO, I BELIEVE, DISCUSS IT WITH THE
09:14:52 CHIEF?
09:14:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE
09:14:56 IN REFERENCE TO THAT ITEM.
09:14:58 BUT WE WILL LEAVE IT FOR NOW --
09:15:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME REQUEST YOU THIS, THE CHIEF
09:15:04 THERE AND ULTIMATE GOAL TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE --
09:15:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHE IS.
09:15:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CHIEF CAN GET BACK TO WHAT SHE
09:15:15 NEEDS TO GET BACK TO.
09:15:18 >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOODS MORNING, BARBARA TRIPP, INTERIM
09:15:19 FIRE CHIEF.
09:15:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE REASON I ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE,
09:15:24 I ASKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF FOR AGENDA REVIEW.
09:15:28 I KNOW THIS COUNCIL -- I DIDN'T WANT TO BELABOR THE
09:15:31 COUNCIL WITH A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS YOU CAN'T ANSWER YES
09:15:32 BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL WORK THONG PROJECT.
09:15:36 I WOULD RATHER BE CONTINUED UNTIL WE HAVE CONCLUSIVE
09:15:38 INFORMATION TO WHERE TO GO ON THIS ITEM.
09:15:43 THAT'S WHY I WANT A CONTINUANCE ON THAT ITEM.
09:15:44 >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR.
09:15:45 I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE.
09:15:48 ONCE AGAIN SINCE I ONLY HAVE BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS, I AM
09:15:52 GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO MAKE THE CORRECT
09:15:53 DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
09:15:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT?
09:15:56 ANYBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION?
09:15:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
09:16:01 WHAT DATE ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH, CHIEF?
09:16:02 AUGUST 2?
09:16:04 >>CHIEF TRIPP: SOUNDS GOOD.
09:16:07 IF NOT, I WILL COME BACK WITH MORE ADDITIONAL
09:16:09 INFORMATION.
09:16:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN GIVE US --
09:16:15 >>CHIEF TRIPP: FISCAL YEAR.
09:16:17 OCTOBER 1.
09:16:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST REGULAR MEETING OCTOBER 7.
09:16:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHOULD HAVE THE BUDGET SITUATED AND
09:16:25 GET ANSWERS THEN.
09:16:27 >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR.
09:16:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO OCTOBER 7.
09:16:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY CITRO AND SECOND BY
09:16:35 MIRANDA.
09:16:36 ANY OPPOSED?
09:16:38 THANK YOU, CHIEF.
09:16:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 76 IS DONE.
09:16:43 MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH REGARD TO THE ADDENDUM.
09:16:46 YOU TAKEN ITEM 75.
09:16:50 NUMBER 64, IT IS A REQUEST FROM THE CHAIR THAT THAT
09:16:55 AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 64 FOR SECOND READING BE HEARD
09:16:59 AFTER 9:30 AND HEARD AFTER CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AND OR
09:17:04 PRESENTATIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THAT.
09:17:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.
09:17:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:17:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION AND SECOND.
09:17:11 ANY OPPOSED?
09:17:12 MOTION CARRIES.
09:17:15 I BELIEVE MR. CARLSON HAS A COUPLE OF CONFLICTS, MR.
09:17:16 SHELBY.
09:17:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE COULD TAKE THEM UP WHEN WE DO
09:17:25 CONFLICTS WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.
09:17:27 HE CAN DO THAT THEN.
09:17:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO APPROVE THE ADDENDUM AND
09:17:37 THE AGENDA.
09:17:41 MIRANDA AND SECOND.
09:17:42 OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
09:17:47 ITEM NUMBER 1, CEREMONIALS.
09:17:50 >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
09:17:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
09:17:53 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.
09:17:57 WE ARE HERE TO GIVE A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION TO A
09:18:00 VERY SPECIAL CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE, MRS. TIFFANY
09:18:01 KLINE.
09:18:04 YOU KNOW I HAVE HER BIOGRAPHY AND GO THROUGH A
09:18:07 CONTINUED TALK OF ALL OF HER WONDERFUL ACHIEVEMENTS AND
09:18:10 THEY ARE ALL THE JUST MAGNIFICENT ACHIEVEMENTS, BUT I
09:18:12 WILL JUST GO OVER VERY BRIEFLY.
09:18:16 A BOARD CERTIFIED OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH NURSE WITH MORE
09:18:20 THAN 18 YEARS OF OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINE AND SPECIALIZES
09:18:23 IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF FIRST RESPONDERS.
09:18:26 SOMETHING THAT IS VERY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE TO TIFFANY
09:18:29 BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT HER FATHER, CAPTAIN ROBERT
09:18:32 BARNETT, SERVED FOR SO MANY YEARS WITH TAMPA FIRE
09:18:32 RESCUE.
09:18:36 WELL, ABOUT ONE YEAR AGO, TIFFANY'S ROLE WITH THE CITY
09:18:41 OF TAMPA, WHICH WAS SO PIVOTAL OF TAKING CARE OF THE
09:18:44 HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF TAMPA FIRE AND MOVING
09:18:46 FORWARD TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS RADICALLY
09:18:48 TRANSFORMED.
09:18:51 ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DEALING WITH THE
09:18:54 EFFECTS OF THE COVID CRISIS, WHICH WOULD TAKE THE LIVES
09:18:58 BEFORE 600,000 OF OUR FELLOW AMERICANS, PEOPLE LIKE
09:19:03 TIFFANY KLINE AND THE PEOPLE THAT SHE WORKS FOR, OUR
09:19:06 FIRST RESPONDERS, AND PEOPLE SHE WORKS WITH, HER FELLOW
09:19:09 MEDICAL SPECIALISTS AND PROFESSIONALS, SAW THEIR
09:19:13 PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL LIVES RADICALLY CHANGED
09:19:13 OVERNIGHT.
09:19:17 SUDDENLY THEY BECAME FOLKS ON THE FRONT LINE OF THE WAR
09:19:18 AGAINST COVID.
09:19:22 YOU KNOW, AND I THINK -- I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY
09:19:24 THAT WE PROBABLY ALL HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH TIFFANY.
09:19:26 IN FACT IT WAS FUNNY YESTERDAY WHEN I MENTIONED
09:19:29 SOMETHING -- I THINK I WAS TALKING WITH BRANDON ON THE
09:19:32 PHONE OF GIVING A COMMENDATION TO -- AND I STARTED
09:19:33 DESCRIBING IT.
09:19:37 AND MY SON SAID, OH, IS THAT TO TIFFANY THE NURSE.
09:19:40 BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU BECAUSE I CALLED HER SO MANY TIMES
09:19:41 FOR COVID.
09:19:44 I AM A LITTLE OCD AND THERE YOU GO.
09:19:46 TIFFANY WAS ALWAYS THERE FOR ME JUST LIKE WAS ALWAYS
09:19:48 THERE FOR EVERYBODY.
09:19:51 BUT TIFFANY HAD -- HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT COMMENDATIONS
09:19:53 AND AWARDS, ETC.
09:19:56 BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GET TO THE HEART OF IT, WE JUST
09:20:00 HEARD FROM A CATHOLIC PRIEST THIS MORNING AND THINK OF
09:20:01 THE WORK.
09:20:04 AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE IT KNEE AND HER FAMILY ARE
09:20:07 RELIGIOUS AT ALL THE, BUT FOR ME CERTAIN VOCATIONS,
09:20:09 FIRST RESPONDERS ARE ONE OF THEM, POLICE OFFICERS, FIRE
09:20:13 FIGHTERS, THAT WHETHER YOU ARE RELIGIOUS OR NOT, THEY
09:20:13 ARE MINISTRY.
09:20:16 A SECULAR OR RELIGIOUS MINISTRY.
09:20:19 I THINK THAT BEING IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, AS A NURSE IN
09:20:23 PARTICULAR, WHETHER LPN, RN, WHATEVER IT MAY SOMEBODY
09:20:24 ALSO A MINISTRY.
09:20:27 AND TIFFANY'S LIFE REALLY SHOWED THAT.
09:20:30 ALL OF US CONTACTED TIFFANY DURING TIMES OF ANXIETY.
09:20:33 SO MANY CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES CONTACTED HER OUT OF
09:20:37 TIMES OF ANXIETY AND SHE WAS THERE TO COMFORT US, YOU
09:20:37 KNOW.
09:20:39 SHE WAS THERE TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE MOURN AS WELL.
09:20:42 PEOPLE WHO SUSTAINED TREMENDOUS HITS IN LIFE.
09:20:47 TAKE A LOOK AT A LOT OF THE VIRTUE OF SERMON ON THE
09:20:48 MOUNT.
09:20:51 SHE WAS THERE TO CARRY THEM ALL OUT IN HER PROFESSIONAL
09:20:51 ROLE.
09:20:55 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS HERE TO GIVE OUR DEAR FRIEND
09:20:57 TIFFANY KLINE A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION.
09:21:01 SHE IS ALSO HERE WITH MATTHEW, HER HUSBAND, SARAH AND
09:21:06 RENDY, HER DAUGHTERS, AND CAPTAIN ROBERT BARNETT AND WE
09:21:08 HAVE A WHOLE ROOM -- IN FACT IF YOU WERE HERE FOR
09:21:11 TIFFANY, PLEASE STAND UP.
09:21:14 JOE GRECO RAISED HIS HAND.
09:21:15 PLEASE STAND UP.
09:21:17 WE HAVE A WHOLE ROOM HERE AND I KNOW THAT CHIEF JOHN
09:21:18 BENNETT.
09:21:23 I SEE CHIEF DUGAN IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.
09:21:27 INTERIM CHIEF TRIPP, IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.
09:21:31 GO AHEAD.
09:21:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO NICE TO HAVE THE ROOM FILLED FOR
09:21:34 A CHANGE.
09:21:37 THANK YOU FOR COMING.
09:21:41 >> YES, SO ON BEHALF OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, WE WANT TO
09:21:43 THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAS DONE
09:21:45 ESPECIALLY OVER THE YEARS, BUT ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST
09:21:46 YEAR.
09:21:49 YOUR STAFF AND YOU HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB TAKING
09:21:51 CARE OF THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE FRONT LINE, YOU KNOW,
09:21:55 POLICE, FIRE, AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU
09:21:55 HAVE DONE.
09:22:00 >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.
09:22:01 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:22:05 GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:22:08 JUST A QUICK FEW THANK YOUS AND RECOGNITION.
09:22:12 FIRST THANK COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR THE COMMENDATION AND
09:22:15 THE COUNCIL SUPPORTING THAT UNANIMOUSLY WELL DESERVED
09:22:20 FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND ALL OF THE SAFETY -- PUBLIC
09:22:21 SAFETY OFFICIALS.
09:22:25 I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND CHIEF TRIPP FOR
09:22:28 CONSULTING WITH TIFFANY DURING THIS GLOBAL PANDEMIC
09:22:33 THAT AFFECTED US AND 4677 BELLY BUTTONS EMPLOYED BY
09:22:37 THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THEIR DEPENDENTS WHO RELY ON OUR
09:22:40 HEALTH CARE SYSTEM FOR CONSULTING AND DIRECTION THROUGH
09:22:43 THAT PANDEMIC AND THE ABILITY TO RETURN TO WORK -- TO
09:22:48 THE WORKPLACE MUCH FASTER THAN A LOT OF OUR OTHER LOCAL
09:22:50 GOVERNMENTS BECAUSE OF ALL THIS TENDER CARE.
09:22:54 I ALSO WANT TO THANK -- YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY TIFFANY'S
09:22:58 GROUP IN OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH, BUT KELLY AUSTIN'S GROUP,
09:23:02 BECAUSE TIFFANY WAS A GREAT CONSULTANT TO KELLY AND ALL
09:23:05 HER RESPONSIBILITIES IN HR AND TOGETHER AS A TEAM, THEY
09:23:08 REALLY DID AN AMAZING JOB GETTING US WHERE WE ARE
09:23:08 TODAY.
09:23:17 THANK YOU AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY WHO SUPPORTS HER.
09:23:21 >> GOOD MORNING, BRIAN DUGAN, CHIEF OF POLICE, TAMPA
09:23:22 POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:23:23 TIFFANY, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
09:23:25 I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE JUST HOW IMPORTANT THE
09:23:29 WORK THAT SHE AND HER TEAM DID, GOING BEYOND THE FIRST
09:23:30 RESPONDERS.
09:23:33 YOU KNOW, AS OUR PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WORKING ON THE
09:23:36 STREETS AND POTENTIALLY GETTING EXPOSED TO THE VIERA,
09:23:39 THE ANXIETY THAT CREATED FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FOR
09:23:43 THEM WHETHER THEY ARE TAKING THAT BACK HOME TO THE
09:23:43 FAMILIES.
09:23:49 SOME OF THE PROTOCOLS AND THINGS SHE TAUGHT US, REALLY
09:23:52 IT IS HARD TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ENORMITY OF THE WHOLE
09:23:55 THING AND I WANT TO APPRECIATE.
09:23:58 BECAUSE I THINK THE ANXIETY SHE HELPED REDUCE FOR THE
09:24:01 FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEIR FAMILIES IS REALLY WHAT IS
09:24:02 REALLY IMPORTANT.
09:24:03 I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
09:24:08 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF.
09:24:11 >> JOE GRECO, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS
09:24:14 LOCAL 7544.
09:24:16 TIFFANY KNOW HOW I PERSONALLY THINK OF ALL HER EFFORTS.
09:24:21 HER EMPATHY AND HER KNOWLEDGE AND THE ABILITY TO -- TO
09:24:25 IMMEDIATELY TAKE OVER A SITUATION AND GET ASSISTANCE TO
09:24:29 THE AFFECTED INDIVIDUAL AND FAMILY IS SECOND TO NONE.
09:24:30 HER STAFF IS INCREDIBLE.
09:24:34 AND WE THANK YOU.
09:24:39 >>LUIS VIERA: NOW I FORGET HOW IT GOES, MR. CHAIR.
09:24:40 DOES CITY COUNCIL SPEAK?
09:24:45 WE PRESENT IN WONDERFUL CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION TO
09:24:47 TIFFANY KLINE ON BEHALF OF THE WORK SHE HAS DONE FOR
09:24:49 THE CITY OF TAMPA, FOR HER WONDERFUL SUPPORT OF OUR
09:24:51 FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL THE OF OUR CITY OF TAMPA
09:24:54 PUBLIC SERVANTS.
09:24:56 TIFFANY, IT IS OUR PLEASURE.
09:24:58 WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
09:24:59 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:25:15 [APPLAUSE]
09:25:18 >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
09:25:19 >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:25:20 THANK YOU.
09:25:22 A VERY TOUCHING AND OVERWHELMING MOMENT.
09:25:26 THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR INVITING ME HERE
09:25:26 TODAY.
09:25:27 THANK YOU.
09:25:29 AND GOOD MORNING TO THE CHAIRMAN AND CITY COUNCIL.
09:25:33 I WAS TRULY HONORED WHEN I RECEIVED THE INVITATION FROM
09:25:36 COUNCILMAN VIERA TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT I AM MOST
09:25:39 GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHED A LIGHT ON
09:25:41 THOSE WHO MATTER MOST.
09:25:46 FIRST AND FOREMOST MY FAMILY WHO HAVE BEEN SO PATIENT
09:25:49 AND SUPPORTIVE AND WEATHER THIS PANDEMIC WITH LOVE AND
09:25:49 STRENGTH.
09:25:51 I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU.
09:25:54 MY AMAZING TEAM WHO SERVED WITH DEDICATION AND
09:25:56 COMPASSION.
09:25:59 WE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING THIS PAST YEAR AND THREE
09:26:01 MONTHS WITHOUT THE INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP IN OUR CITY,
09:26:06 OUR MAYOR, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF, OUR FIRE CHIEF BARBARA
09:26:09 TRIPP, OUR CHIEF OF POLICE BRIAN DUGAN, OUR CITY
09:26:12 COUNCIL IN ALL THAT YOU DO AS AMBASSADORS FOR THE
09:26:17 COMMUNITY, AND LEADERS IN EVERY AREA OF THE CITY.
09:26:21 WE WERE A SPOKE IN A WHEEL OF A MUCH GREATER EFFORT OF
09:26:23 ALL OF THE CITY LEADERS COMING TOGETHER IN EACH OF
09:26:24 THEIR AREAS.
09:26:27 MOST SPECIFICALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THE MEN AND
09:26:30 WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:26:33 YOU SEE, THEY WERE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
09:26:37 THEY WERE THE ONES ON THE FRONT LINES.
09:26:40 THEY WERE THE FIRE FIGHTERS AND THE OFFICERS AND I WANT
09:26:43 THEM TO KNOW THAT WE HEARD YOU.
09:26:49 THE FIRE FIGHTERS RUNNING CALL AFTER CALL, CUMBERSOME
09:26:55 PPE RENDERING CARE IN DIFFICULT SITUATIONS.
09:26:57 AND FOR TAMPA POLICE OFFICERS, WE HEARD YOU.
09:27:00 MOST DO NOT REALIZE ALL OF THE SCOPE OF YOUR
09:27:00 PROFESSION.
09:27:05 WE HEARD YOU PERFORMING CPR ON ALL HOURS DAY AND NIGHT
09:27:12 OF VICTIMS OF COVID WHO HAVE SUCCUMBED TO THIS VIRUS.
09:27:15 COMFORTING THOSE WHO LOST LOVED ONES, YOU RESPONDED ON
09:27:18 CALLS OF SERVICE WHEN THEY WERE VICTIM OF A VIOLENT
09:27:23 CRIME ONLY LATER TO REVEAL THAT YOU WERE EXPOSED TO
09:27:26 COVID AND YOU, YOURSELF, WILL BECOME ILL.
09:27:29 SEE I AM PROUD DAUGHTER OF A MAN WHO SERVED FIRE
09:27:32 FIGHTER, PARAMEDIC AND CAPTAIN WITH OVER 30 YEARS WITH
09:27:33 THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:27:37 WHILE I WAS UNABLE AS A CHILD TO PROTECT AND SHIELD HIM
09:27:42 FOR THINGS HE MUST EXPERIENCE, WE, AS A TEAM, MY TEAM,
09:27:46 WILL CONTINUE TO DO OUR BEST TO PROTECT AND HEAL OUR
09:27:49 RESCUERS AND OUR GUARDIANS.
09:27:52 LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I NEED TO SAY THAT I AM MY
09:27:54 MOTHER'S DAUGHTER.
09:27:56 MY MOTHER IS HERE TODAY.
09:28:00 AND ANY THREAT OF GOOD -- THREAD OF GOODNESS THAT
09:28:03 WEAVES THROUGH ME IS A RESULT OF HER.
09:28:04 THANK YOU, MOM.
09:28:06 AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:28:06 [APPLAUSE]
09:28:14 MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
09:28:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE
09:28:19 SAID HAS BEEN SAID BUT I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
09:28:21 YOU HAVE BEEN WITH US ANY TIME OF DAY.
09:28:25 WE MAY HAVE SPOKEN AT 4, 5:00 IN THE MORNING.
09:28:27 THE FIRST TIME.
09:28:29 BUT YOU WERE THERE AND COVID WAS SOMETHING NEW.
09:28:32 WE WERE TAKING IT MINUTE BY MINUTE, HOUR BY HOUR, BUT
09:28:33 YOUR TEAM WAS READY.
09:28:37 YOU WERE RESPONSIVE AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:28:41 THANK YOU.
09:28:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:28:46 >> EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
09:28:49 AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT AND THE CARE AND
09:28:51 THANK YOU FOR INSPIRING US WITH YOUR GREAT WORDS.
09:28:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:28:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:28:58 TIFFANY, OUR FIRST MEETING WAS A NICE ONE, BUT I DO
09:29:01 HAVE TO TELL YOU WHEN YOU ASKED ME TO STEP BEHIND THE
09:29:04 TENTS SO SOMEONE CAN VIOLATE MY NASAL PASSAGES WITH A
09:29:08 SWAB, IT WASN'T REALLY NICE, BUT IT WAS FOR A GOOD
09:29:08 CAUSE.
09:29:12 I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A NEW MONIKER.
09:29:15 AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU, NURSE
09:29:21 TIFFANY, YOU ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER TO TAMPA'S FIRST
09:29:23 RESPONDERS.
09:29:25 THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.
09:29:26 >> THANK YOU.
09:29:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:29:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:29:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:29:34 TIFFANY, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I HEARD YOUR
09:29:37 NAME OUT OF JOHN BENNETT'S MOUTH.
09:29:40 IT WAS LIKE TIFFANY IS WORKING ON IT.
09:29:43 TIFFANY HAS GOT IT COVERED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND
09:29:44 THAT MEANS SO MUCH.
09:29:51 I AM SO THRILLED THAT THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT FOLKS
09:29:54 FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE AND RESCUE,
09:29:59 BECAUSE THIS IS A YEAR -- THIS PAST YEAR AND A HALF
09:30:02 THAT NONE OF US WILL EVER FORGET IN OUR ENTIRE
09:30:07 LIFETIMES, AND YOU GUYS WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING
09:30:09 THIS COMMUNITY GET THROUGH IT AND GET THROUGH IT IN A
09:30:11 VERY POSITIVE WAY.
09:30:12 AND WE APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.
09:30:13 THANK YOU.
09:30:15 THANK YOU, TIFFANY.
09:30:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
09:30:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:22 29% OF THIS COUNCIL HAD COVID.
09:30:24 THAT MEANS TWO OF US.
09:30:28 I CAN ONLY TELL YOU IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND I AM SURE
09:30:30 CHAIRMAN GUDES FEELS THE SAME WAY.
09:30:33 WOULD YOU CALL US IN THE MORNING, IN THE AFTERNOON AND
09:30:33 AT NIGHT.
09:30:37 AND IT WAS LIKE AN ANGEL TELLING US THAT TAKE YOUR
09:30:39 VITAMIN D 3 AND TAKE YOUR VITAMIN C.
09:30:41 THAT DO YOU THIS.
09:30:42 DID YOU DO THAT.
09:30:44 HECK, I THOUGHT I WAS TALKING TO MY MOTHER.
09:30:44 [LAUGHTER]
09:30:47 BUT MY MOTHER WAS NEVER THAT NICE TO ME.
09:30:49 AND I DESERVED IT.
09:30:52 BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU
09:30:55 DIDN'T HAVE JUST TWO -- YOU HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT
09:30:56 THAT TIME THAT HAD THE COVID.
09:30:59 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR FAMILY AND HUSBAND -- YOU WERE
09:31:02 -- PURPOSE HOME, YOUR BODY WAS THERE BUT YOUR MIND WAS
09:31:05 WORKING WITH THE OTHER HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAD THE
09:31:05 COVID.
09:31:08 I TELL YOU, IT WAS JUST -- I CAN EXPERIENCE THE THINGS
09:31:11 THAT HAPPENED WHEN I FIRST WALKED INTO THE CLINIC THAT
09:31:13 YOU SENT ME TO.
09:31:15 THEY THOUGHT -- THEY MADE ME FEEL LIKE I WAS SOMETHING
09:31:16 IMPORTANT.
09:31:19 RIGHT AWAY, IF I HAVE IT KNEE SENT YOU, BOOM, RIGHT
09:31:20 THERE.
09:31:23 TAMPA GENERAL, TIFFANY SENT YOU.
09:31:23 BOOM, RIGHT THERE.
09:31:25 I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONTACTS YOU HAVE.
09:31:29 IF YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, NOT AGAINST ONE OF US SEVEN
09:31:30 BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO WIN.
09:31:34 THE ATTITUDE AND THE WAY YOU ADDRESS THINGS IS JUST
09:31:35 MARVELOUS.
09:31:38 THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR ALLOWING TO YOU DO WHAT
09:31:38 DO YOU.
09:31:40 GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:31:41 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:31:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU KNOW, HE IS REAL
09:31:44 SLICK.
09:31:47 HE BEAT US TO THE PUNCH.
09:31:50 HE ALREADY PLANNED THIS AND BEAT US TO THE PUNCH.
09:31:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: POLITICIAN.
09:31:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEAT US TO THE BUNCH ON THIS DAY.
09:31:58 ALL SERIOUSNESS, LET ME SAY THIS, MR. MIRANDA, WE STILL
09:32:01 KIND OF SHARE IN THE FIELD -- THE SAME KINDS OF
09:32:04 SYMPTOMS BECAUSE OF COVID.
09:32:07 I CAN TELL THE YOU THAT I AM GRATEFUL FOR NURSE TIFFANY
09:32:10 AND SOME FRIENDS THAT KEPT MONITORING ME FOR ME TO BE
09:32:13 HERE TODAY BECAUSE I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE.
09:32:15 I WAS VERY, VERY SICK, FOLKS.
09:32:16 VERY, VERY SICK.
09:32:22 AND I -- I THINK EVERY DAY MY PRAYERS I GET UP THAT I'M
09:32:27 HERE TODAY AND TO SEE SOMEONE GET AN AWARD WHO TOOK
09:32:28 CARE OF A LOT OF SICK PEOPLE.
09:32:32 MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RIGHT, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS SICK AND
09:32:33 THEY SAID I HAD TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL.
09:32:35 I CALLED NURSE TIFFANY.
09:32:37 SHE TOLD ME WHAT HAD TO BE DONE.
09:32:40 I TELL YOU, THEY WERE WAITING ON ME.
09:32:42 THEY WERE WAITING ON ME.
09:32:45 AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED, BUT I PULLED UP
09:32:52 THERE, AND THEY -- AGAIN, I WAS VERY SICK.
09:32:54 PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
09:32:55 IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY DIFFERENT.
09:32:58 AFFECTED MY MOTHER THE SAME TYPE OF.
09:33:01 MR. MIRANDA, I HAD HEART FLUTTERING.
09:33:03 IT IS AMAZING HOW PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE.
09:33:09 BUT I TELL YOU, FAMILY MEMBERS DON'T SEE ANYMORE AND
09:33:10 PEOPLE START TO BELIEVE.
09:33:11 IT IS REAL.
09:33:13 THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND WORK FOR THE CITY AND
09:33:16 THE EMPLOYEES.
09:33:19 CHIEF TRIPP, THANK YOU FOR ENTRUSTING NURSE TIFFANY TO
09:33:25 GET THE JOB DONE, FOR OUR 4,000-PLUS EMPLOYEES.
09:33:27 IT IS TREMENDOUS.
09:33:29 AND NURSE TIFFANY, YOU KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND KEEP
09:33:31 UP THE GOOD FIGHT.
09:33:32 WE NEED YOU.
09:33:37 I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DAY -- IF YOU HEARD THE COUNCIL.
09:33:38 CHIEF TRIPP.
09:33:40 NOT SAYING INTERIM CHIEF.
09:33:45 TO CONFIRM YOUR CONFIRMATION AS THE FIRE CHIEF OF THE
09:33:46 CITY OF TAMPA.
09:33:49 WE ARE PUSHING THE MAYOR TO GET THAT MOVING.
09:33:50 WE BELIEVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED.
09:33:53 YOU HAVE BEEN DOING A HELL OF A JOB SO FAR WITH THE
09:33:53 FIRE DEPARTMENT.
09:33:56 I HEAR A LOT OF GOOD THINGS AND, OF COURSE, WE SEE THE
09:33:56 RESULTS.
09:33:58 GOOD LUCK TO YOU.
09:34:02 NURSE TIFFANY, I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU BEHIND MY SEAT TO
09:34:05 TAKE A PHOTO AT THE SEAL WITH ALL THE CITY COUNCIL.
09:34:07 IF YOU WILL COME AND TAKE PHOTO.
09:34:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I LOOK AROUND, COVID MUST BE
09:34:15 FAVORABLE TO BALD-HEADED PEOPLE.
09:34:19 TWO OF SEVEN ARE BALD AND THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT GOT
09:34:20 IT.
09:34:23 [LAUGHTER]
09:34:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, WILL YOU COME AND JOIN US.
09:34:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE HUMOR.
09:35:29 GUDES MR. DINGFELDER, CAN YOU TAKE THE GAVEL.
09:35:33 I NEED TO GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, PLEASE, SIR.
09:35:43 TAKE ME A SECOND TO GET DOWN THERE.
09:35:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
09:35:48 THANK YOU, AGAIN, EVERYBODY FOR COMING AND JOINING US
09:35:54 TODAY.
09:36:03 WHICH ONE IS THE MOM -- IS THE MOM HERE?
09:36:17 CONGRATULATIONS, MOM.
09:36:40 ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:36:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:36:44 GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, EVERYONE.
09:36:48 I HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF MEETING A TRUE
09:36:49 COMMUNITY SERVANT.
09:36:51 A PERSON WHO SERVED IN OUR MILITARY.
09:36:54 A PERSON WHO IS --
09:36:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HUG THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE
09:36:56 BETTER.
09:36:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GOT IT NOW.
09:37:03 I AM SO GRATEFUL TO INTRODUCE A GENTLEMAN WHOSE CAREER
09:37:07 AND COMMUNITY-ORIENTED IN THE WOODLAND TERRACE AREA.
09:37:09 HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
09:37:14 I KNOW -- ME AND HIS NEPHEW WORKED TOGETHER IN THE
09:37:16 POLICE DEPARTMENT, MICHAEL COLLINS.
09:37:19 I KNOW WHERE MICHAEL GETS HIS SPIRIT OF GOOD WILL,
09:37:21 COMMUNITY SPIRIT AND SERVICE.
09:37:25 MORE OF A PLEASURE IT OF MEETING SERGEANT MELVIN
09:37:26 COLLINS.
09:37:30 HE REPRESENTS THE BEST OF OUR GREAT NATION, A VIETNAM
09:37:34 VETERAN THAT SERVED OUR COUNTRY AND CONTINUES TO SERVE
09:37:34 OUR COMMUNITY.
09:37:37 AND PATRIOTIC SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY AND CONTINUES TO
09:37:41 SERVE AS A ROLE MODEL IN OUR COMMUNITY AS HE HONORS OUR
09:37:46 FALLEN HEROES BY PLACING FLAGS AT THEIR RESTING PLACE.
09:37:49 ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL COMMUNITY, WE AIR IS THANK YOU.
09:37:53 THE AT THIS CITY COUNCIL IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE MELVIN
09:37:57 COLLINS FOR ACHIEVEMENTS, LIFETIME SERVICE TO TIME,
09:38:00 DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITY ON THE 17TH DAY OF JUNE,
09:38:01 2021.
09:38:04 AGAIN, GENTLEMEN, I HAVE BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS
09:38:08 WITH MR. COLLINS WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS AND GO
09:38:11 OUT THERE AND PLACE THE FLAGS ON THE FALLEN.
09:38:14 AND THE SPIRIT THAT YOU CAN'T GET OR REALLY KNOW OF
09:38:16 UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY DO IT.
09:38:18 YOU HAVE A VISUAL EFFECT ABOUT IT.
09:38:21 YOU SEE THE DATES OF WHEN THOSE FOLKS SERVED.
09:38:25 AND I AM JUST SO GLAD THAT MR. COLLINS PUTS ON THIS
09:38:29 EVENTS EVERY, EVERY YEAR FOR 26 YEARS.
09:38:32 AND I TELL YOU, I AM GOING TO ASK HIM ONE THING BEFORE
09:38:34 I GIVE HIM THIS PLAQUE.
09:38:38 AS I WAS AT THAT EVENT, AND AS I HAVE BEEN SERVING ON
09:38:41 CITY COUNCIL, THESE EAGLE SCOUTS THAT COME BEFORE US.
09:38:47 I ASK MR. COLLINS, BECAUSE HE HAD THE BOY SCOUT TROOPS
09:38:48 AT HIS EVENT.
09:38:51 I SAY DO WE HAVE ANY EAGLE SCOUTS?
09:38:54 I NEVER SEEN ANY AT COUNCIL.
09:38:55 AND DO WE HAVE ANY?
09:39:01 HE INTRODUCED ME TO TWO YOUNG LADIES WHO RUN THE BOY
09:39:03 SCOUTS AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE THREE OF THEM.
09:39:07 MR. COLLINS, I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU COME OVER HERE.
09:39:09 I WILL ASK A FAVOR OF YOU, SIR.
09:39:12 I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU REACH BACK OUT TO THOSE
09:39:12 FOLKS.
09:39:15 I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THOSE THREE NAMES OF THOSE
09:39:15 EAGLE SCOUTS.
09:39:18 I WANT THEM TO COME HERE AND SHOW PEOPLE THAT OUR
09:39:21 COMMUNITY HAS EAGLE SCOUTS AS WELL, AND TO BE ABLE TO
09:39:26 REPRESENT YOU, REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITIES, SO I GIVE YOU
09:39:27 THE PODIUM NOW.
09:39:31 AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, WE THANK YOU
09:39:33 FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR.
09:39:37 >> THANK YOU.
09:39:44 IN STARTING THIS PROGRAM, MOVING UP IN THE VFW, I WAS
09:39:48 CONSTANTLY GOING TO BAY PINES, A LOT OF CEMETERIES AND
09:39:52 I HAPPENED TO DRIVE BY MY NEIGHBORHOOD CEMETERY AND ON
09:39:56 THIS PARTICULAR DAY I ONLY SAW ONE FLAG OF MY
09:39:58 BROTHER-IN-LAW.
09:40:01 I WENT UP AND RESEARCHED AND FOUND OUT AT THAT POINT IN
09:40:02 TIME THERE WERE 1100.
09:40:07 THE CEMETERY OWNER WITH THE FIRST FLAGS.
09:40:16 THIS LAST MONTH, WE POSTED 2500 FLAGS OF OUR LOCAL
09:40:18 RESIDENTS WERE MILITARY.
09:40:23 MANY OF THEM KILLED IN ACTION THAT ARE HERE.
09:40:31 AND FOR THIS REASON, I DON'T WANT US TO BE FORGOTTEN IN
09:40:32 OUR HOME CEMETERIES.
09:40:34 SOMETHING THAT TOUCHED MY HEART.
09:40:37 >> I HAD GENTLEMAN THAT CAME OVER TO VISIT ONE YEAR AND
09:40:40 HE HAS TWO NEIGHBORHOOD CEMETERIES DOING THE SAME THING
09:40:42 WE ARE DOING BECAUSE OF OUR PROGRAM.
09:40:51 SO I WANT TO THANK OUR COUNCIL FOR THIS AWARD, BUT THE
09:40:57 GENTLEMEN BEHIND ME HELPED ME GET THIS DONE.
09:40:58 THANK YOU.
09:41:00 TWO OF THE EAGLE SCOUTS ARE IN COLLEGE.
09:41:01 THERE IS ONE LOCAL.
09:41:05 I WILL GET WITH HIS PARENTS AND GET HIS NAME OVER TO
09:41:05 YOU.
09:41:09 BUT THANK YOU ALL AND GOD BLESS AMERICA.
09:41:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:41:16 SERGEANT -- SERGEANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE
09:41:18 OTHER GENTLEMEN THERE TODAY.
09:41:21 >> YES, GARY ALISON, OUR FIRST COMMANDER WHEN WE STARTED
09:41:28 THE PROGRAM.
09:41:30 WHERE ARE YOU?
09:41:33 OKAY.
09:41:38 WALLACE, UNIT VICE COMMANDER FOR OUR POST.
09:41:49 RODNEY, HE HAS BEEN I THANK THESE GENTLEMEN FOR THEIR
09:41:51 SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION AND ALL THE WORK
09:42:33 WE DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
09:42:36 >> I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO AND VISIT OUR
09:42:38 CEMETERIES.
09:42:40 OUR NATIONAL CEMETERIES.
09:42:44 BUSHNELL AN HOUR AWAY THE FLORIDA NATIONAL CEMETERY.
09:42:51 ROBERT SAUNDERS, WHO IS A WORLD WAR II VETERAN, NAACP
09:42:54 FIELD SECRETARY FOR 14 YEARS AMONG MANY OTHER FOLKS IS
09:42:55 BURIED THERE.
09:42:59 JUST THIS PAST WEEK, MY SON AND I, WE GO EVERY YEAR, WE
09:43:03 COULDN'T GO IN 2020, BUT WE GO OVER YEAR TO ARLINGTON
09:43:08 NATIONAL CEMETERY TO HONOR OUR VETERANS.
09:43:12 WHEN WE WERE SEVEN A LOT EASIER THAN 14.
09:43:13 HE IS STILL A TEENAGER.
09:43:15 BUT HE STILL DOES IT.
09:43:16 GOD BLESS HIM.
09:43:20 I GO AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE GO AND HONOR OUR VETERANS.
09:43:21 SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.
09:43:27 GO TO ARLINGTON AND GO TO WASHINGTON D.C. IRA HAYES,
09:43:33 SENATOR JOHN GLENN, METGER EVERS, A NORMANDY VETERAN IS
09:43:33 THERE.
09:43:35 SO MANY GREAT.
09:43:43 JOE KENNEDY JR., KENNEDY'S BROTHER WAS THERE.
09:43:45 KILLED IN WORLD WAR II.
09:43:46 AMONG MANY OTHERS.
09:43:51 AN AMERICAN AND SOLEMN THING TO DO.
09:43:54 CHAIRMAN GUDES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU MEN AND WOMEN
09:43:58 FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WE CAN APPRECIATE YOU MORE THAN WE
09:43:59 COULD EVER DO SO.
09:44:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MANISCALCO.
09:44:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE
09:44:07 GENTLEMEN HERE TODAY AND HONORING THEM FOR THEIR
09:44:08 SERVICE.
09:44:13 MY GRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED AS MYRTLE HILL CEMETERY AND
09:44:15 I VISIT EVERY WEEK.
09:44:18 AND I WAS WALKING THROUGH THE SELLER 2RY READING
09:44:21 DIFFERENT NAMES ON THE GRAVES AND I STUMBLED UPON A
09:44:25 YOUNG MAN KILLED IN VIETNAM HERE FROM TAMPA.
09:44:28 I LOOKED HIM UP ON THE INTERNET AND THERE WAS A VIRTUAL
09:44:29 WALL.
09:44:31 A LOT OF INFORMATION, PERSONAL DETAILS.
09:44:32 THEY COME TO LIFE.
09:44:35 IT IS NOT JUST A GRAVE MARKER.
09:44:37 YOU GET TO KNOW THEM WHETHER IT IS FAMILY MEMBERS OR
09:44:40 FRIENDS LEAVING COMMENTS OR WHATNOT.
09:44:45 BUT IT INSPIRED ME TO LOOK FOR OTHER VIETNAM VETERANS
09:44:48 THAT WERE KILLED IN COMBAT IN THOSE CEMETERIES, MYRTLE
09:44:53 HILL, GARDEN OF MEMORIES ACROSS THE STREET AND I WAS
09:44:57 ABLE TO COMPILE 40 DIFFERENT GRAVES AND I FOUND THEM
09:45:01 AND EVERY MEMORIAL DAY I PLACE A FLAG THERE.
09:45:04 SOMETIMES I SHARE THE PHOTOS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND DOING
09:45:06 THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT WITH SIBLINGS, FROM
09:45:09 FRIENDS, PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM FROM HIGH SCHOOL, BUT
09:45:11 ALWAYS REMINDS ME OF A QUOTE AND I STAYED HERE BEFORE
09:45:13 THAT WE DIE TWICE.
09:45:17 ONCE WHEN WE TAKE OUR LAST BREATH AND SECOND WHEN
09:45:19 SOMEONE SAYS OUR NAME FOR THE LAST TIME.
09:45:22 SO BY PLACING THESE FLAGS, BY USING THE POWER OF THE
09:45:25 INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA TO LEARN ABOUT WHO THESE
09:45:29 HEROES WERE, I SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON THOSE KILLED IN
09:45:30 VIETNAM.
09:45:31 IT KEEPS THEM ALIVE.
09:45:33 IT KEEPS THEIR MEMORY ALIVE.
09:45:37 AND NOT ONLY THAT, NEW GENERATIONS GET TO KNOW WHO THEY
09:45:38 ARE.
09:45:41 THEY LEARN ABOUT THESE HEROES EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE
09:45:44 KILLED 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE THE MAJORITY THAT I COME
09:45:48 ACROSS WERE 1967, 1968.
09:45:50 BUT THEIR MEMORY LIVES ON.
09:45:52 WE CONTINUE TO SAY THEIR NAMES.
09:45:55 JUST AS YOU DO, YOU GO TO THEIR GRAVES, YOU GO TO LAY
09:45:58 THEIR FLAGS, AND YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT
09:45:59 FORGOTTEN.
09:46:04 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:46:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA.
09:46:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:46:09 SERGEANT COLLINS, THANK YOU.
09:46:13 WHAT YOU HAVE EXPLORED IN YOUR LIFE, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE
09:46:15 IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
09:46:19 AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELECTIONS SOMETIMES ARE WON BY
09:46:23 WHAT -- ONE VOTE BECAUSE SOMEBODY DECIDED TO VOTE THAT
09:46:25 MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD HAVE STAYED HOME.
09:46:28 IN YOUR CASE ONE MAN AND ONE FLAG.
09:46:31 AND THAT ONE STICKS WITH ME NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE THAT
09:46:35 IF YOU WANT TO START SOMETHING, IT HAS GOT TO START
09:46:35 WITH SOMEONE.
09:46:38 AND THAT SOMEONE IN THIS CASE WAS YOU.
09:46:41 AND I AM REALLY, REALLY MOVED BY THAT.
09:46:43 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST,
09:46:45 WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TODAY, AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO
09:46:46 IN THE FUTURE.
09:46:50 THANK YOU FOR BEING THE INDIVIDUAL THAT YOU ARE, KIND,
09:46:53 THINKING OF THE FUTURE AND THINKING OF MANKIND.
09:46:56 I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.
09:46:56 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:46:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
09:47:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:47:05 GENTLEMEN, I WILL SAY WHAT I ALWAYS SAY TO ALL SERVICE
09:47:06 PERSONNEL.
09:47:10 THANK YOU FOR MY FREEDOMS, BUT MOST OF ALL, THANK YOU
09:47:13 FOR REMEMBERING THOSE WHO SERVED FOR MY FREEDOMS.
09:47:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GENTLEMEN.
09:47:16 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:47:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON.
09:47:20 >>BILL CARLSON: ECHOING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SAID.
09:47:22 THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND HELP US TO REMEMBER
09:47:24 EVERYONE ELSE WHO SACRIFICED SO MUCH.
09:47:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND CHAIRMAN GUDES, THANK YOU SO
09:47:30 MUCH FOR BRINGING THESE FINE GENTLEMEN IN FRONT OF US.
09:47:35 AND SERGEANT, WE ARE SO HONORED TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY
09:47:39 AND TO GIVE YOU THIS HONOR FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR
09:47:40 COMMUNITY.
09:47:45 ON FATHER'S DAY, THIS COMING SUNDAY, WE WILL BE PUTTING
09:47:50 OUT A STONE AT THE GRAVEYARD FOR MY DAD WHO I LOST A
09:47:51 YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
09:47:55 AND HE PROUDLY SERVED IN THE U.S. ARMY IN THE
09:47:59 ARTILLERY, AND WE ARE PUTTING THAT ON HIS STONE SO
09:48:00 NOBODY WOULD EVER FORGET.
09:48:04 AND I WILL REMEMBER EVERY YEAR TO PUT OUT -- PUT OUT A
09:48:06 FLAG ON THE APPROPRIATE DAY.
09:48:07 BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
09:48:10 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, GENTLEMEN.
09:48:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VICE-CHAIR.
09:48:14 MR. COLLINS THEN HAVE ONE FINAL STATEMENT.
09:48:19 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:48:22 >> WHEN YOU VISIT THE STATE CAPITOL, WHEN YOU VISITED
09:48:28 CEMETERY ON 301 THE FIRST NAME IS SAM ABRAMS.
09:48:32 SAM ABRAMS WAS A CLASSMATE OF MINE.
09:48:36 THE FIRST NAME YOU SEE ON THE MONUMENT FOR THE STATE OF
09:48:39 FLORIDA IS A TAMPA RESIDENT.
09:48:43 THE FIRST TWO VETERANS KILLED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
09:48:45 ARE IN THAT CEMETERY OUT THERE.
09:48:47 SO I WANT TO THANK YOU.
09:48:50 AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
09:48:51 THANK YOU.
09:48:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VICE-CHAIR.
09:49:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:49:07 GENTLEMEN, WE WILL WAIT MINUTE OR TWO.
09:49:16 I GUESS WE CAN KEEP THINGS MOVING.
09:49:18 IS THE -- ARE THE FOLKS FROM THE URBAN LEAGUE
09:49:25 DOWNSTAIRS TO GIVE THEIR REPORT?
09:49:44 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:49:46 >>LUIS VIERA: HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:49:47 HOW ARE YOU, SIR.
09:49:48 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:49:50 I'M HERE TODAY WITH MR. STANLEY GRAY, WHICH MANY OF US
09:49:54 KNOW IS SUCH A WONDERFUL CIVIC LEADER AND IMPORTANT
09:49:57 VOICE HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA.
09:49:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN STANDING THERE
09:50:00 WITH THOSE VETERANS TOO.
09:50:02 >>LUIS VIERA: AMEN.
09:50:05 A UNITED STATES MARINE THAT COMES FROM A VERY
09:50:06 MILITARY-INVOLVED FAMILY.
09:50:10 MR. GRAY IS HERE AS CAPACITY AS INTERIM EXECUTIVE
09:50:12 DIRECTOR OF THE BRAND-NEW HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TAMPA
09:50:14 AREA URBAN LEAGUE.
09:50:17 MANY OF US KNOW ABOUT THE URBAN LEAGUE AND THEIR
09:50:19 WONDERFUL HISTORY IN THESE UNITED STATES IN TERMS OF
09:50:22 FIGHTING FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE, FOR CIVIL RIGHTS, AS WELL
09:50:25 AS FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
09:50:27 THE URBAN LEAGUE'S MISSION HERE IN THE TAMPA AND
09:50:30 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREA IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY
09:50:36 UNIQUE, TAILORED NOT ONLY ISSUES OF EQUALITY BUT
09:50:36 EQUITY.
09:50:41 MAKING SURE THAT RISING TIDE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUES TO
09:50:45 LIVE AND REACH ALL BOATS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY COME
09:50:48 FROM, REGARDLESS OF WHO THEIR PARENTS ARE, REGARDLESS
09:50:51 THEIR SKIN COLOR, ETC.
09:50:55 WE LOOK AT THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREA, AN AREA THAT
09:50:56 NEEDS AN URBAN LEAGUE.
09:50:59 AREA LIKE EAST TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, THE UNIVERSITY
09:51:00 AREA, ETC.
09:51:03 WE NEED CONTINUED INFLUENCE OF SO MANY OF OUR
09:51:07 HISTORIC CIVIL RIGHTS AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO
09:51:09 ADVOCATE HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA.
09:51:12 I WANTED TO INVITE MR. GRAY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
09:51:14 THE URBAN LEAGUE AND THE WORK THEY WILL BE DOING IN THE
09:51:14 TAMPA AREA.
09:51:17 SO MR. GRAY, TAKE IT, SIR.
09:51:19 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:51:23 ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, OUR 197 MEMBERS,
09:51:27 AND ALL OF OUR CONTRIBUTORS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK,
09:51:30 AGAIN, COUNCILMAN VIERA AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL FOR
09:51:31 HOSTING US TODAY.
09:51:33 PRESIDENT MISSION OF THE URBAN LEAGUE IS TO ASSIST CAN
09:51:36 THE ATTAINMENT OF ECONOMIC EQUITY FOR THE
09:51:37 AFRICAN-AMERICAN MINORITY COMMUNITIES.
09:51:41 AND CAN HE DO THAT THROUGH HANDS UP AND COLLABORATIVE
09:51:42 MEANS.
09:51:46 AND I WOULD RATHER NOT SPEND ALL OF THE TIME YOU HAVE
09:51:48 GIVEN ME TO TALK OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, HOW WE ARE DOING
09:51:49 AND WHAT WE ACHIEVE.
09:51:52 WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNCIL, I KIND OF SEE A PICTURE OF
09:51:54 OPPORTUNITY THAT WE THE URBAN LEAGUE FACE.
09:51:57 AND BY THAT, I MEAN THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT,
09:51:59 OUR MESSAGE AND WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE.
09:52:03 WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNCIL, I SEE A TRUE SNAPSHOT OF
09:52:07 OUR COMMUNITY, PEOPLE WE HAVE CONTACTED THAT TAKEN THE
09:52:10 CHALLENGE AND JOINED US, TAKEN THE CHALLENGE TO USE
09:52:13 THEIR TALENTS TO GUIDE US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO
09:52:16 OBTAIN MEMBERSHIP AND FUNDING AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE
09:52:19 PROMISED TO JOIN BUT HAVEN'T JOINED, AND PEOPLE WHO WE
09:52:22 TALKED TO WHO HAVEN'T EVEN ANSWERED BACK.
09:52:26 I THINK THAT WE ARE IN A VERY CRUCIAL TIME RIGHT NOW.
09:52:28 I THINK IT IS TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES
09:52:31 AT HAND FOR DEVELOPING OUR WORKFORCE, BECAUSE THAT IS
09:52:35 REALLY THE NUMBER ONE WAY TO ACHIEVE ECONOMIC EQUITY TO
09:52:38 BE TRAINED FOR LIVING WAGE JOBS.
09:52:41 WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY -- THE REST OF
09:52:43 MY TIME UP TO THE COUNCIL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR
09:52:46 CONCERNS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
09:52:51 I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
09:52:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON.
09:52:55 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I CAN MAKE A STATEMENT REAL FAST.
09:52:58 I WANT TO THANK YOU, STANLEY, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU
09:52:58 HAVE PUT IN.
09:53:02 WHAT HAS IT BEEN, TWO YEARS AND MORE, AND YOUR OTHER
09:53:05 COLLEAGUES FOR THE EFFORTS YOU PUT IN.
09:53:07 AS YOU KNOW I WAS A VOLUNTEER AT THE PRIOR URBAN LEAGUE
09:53:09 AND IT HAS BEEN VERY MISSED.
09:53:12 A GAP WE NEEDED TO FILL IN THE COMMUNITY AND I THANK
09:53:13 YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
09:53:17 AND HE TWISTED MY ARM THROUGH MY COMPANY TO BE AN EARLY
09:53:21 SPONSOR AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET OTHER PEOPLE TO
09:53:23 SUPPORT THE URBAN LEAGUE AS YOU CONTINUE FORWARD, BUT
09:53:26 OFF GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AND A FANTASTIC AGENDA.
09:53:29 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU AND YOUR TEAM IN
09:53:30 ANY WAY WE CAN.
09:53:31 THANK YOU.
09:53:34 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:53:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CITRO.
09:53:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:53:42 I, TOO, HAVE BECOME PART OF THE URBAN LEAGUE THANKS TO
09:53:42 MR. GRAY.
09:53:44 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE A PART.
09:53:48 LAST NIGHT I WAS AT FLORIDA CANE DISTILLERIES WHERE WE
09:53:51 HAD A MAGNIFICENT PARTY FOR THE URBAN LEAGUE.
09:53:54 BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TELL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
09:54:00 WATCHING TODAY, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS OVER THE NEXT YEAR?
09:54:03 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF -- I GUESS, LET ME TELL YOU
09:54:04 THIS.
09:54:07 FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, I WANTS US AS A COMMUNITY
09:54:13 AND AS A NATION TO QUIT WASTING THE HUMAN CAPITAL
09:54:13 EQUATION.
09:54:16 WE HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WE HAVE SYSTEMIC BARRIERS THAT
09:54:20 PREVENT PEOPLE FROM REACHING THEIR ULTIMATE POTENTIAL.
09:54:22 BY NOT DOING THAT, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE BREEDING
09:54:27 GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNEMPLOYABLE AND YOU CAN
09:54:31 NOT ATTAIN ECONOMIC EQUITY.
09:54:34 THE BURDEN TO TRY TO SUSTAIN THOSE PEOPLE REALLY GOES
09:54:36 ON TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER.
09:54:40 NOW I CAN SIT AND I CAN MODEL FOR YOU AND SHOW YOU WHY
09:54:45 YOUR INVESTMENT, YOUR EARLY INVESTMENT, WHY IT WILL
09:54:50 ACTUALLY DECREASE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TAXES AND FOR
09:54:51 ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.
09:54:54 SO I ALMOST WANT PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THIS IN A VERY
09:54:55 SELFISH MANNER.
09:55:00 YOU KNOW, YOUR GOAL IS TO PAY LESS TAXES, TO SUSTAIN
09:55:03 PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE LIVING WAGE JOBS.
09:55:06 PUT A LITTLE MONEY ON THE FRONT END INTO PROGRAMS AND
09:55:09 TO SERVICES THAT HELP ACHIEVE THAT.
09:55:12 NOW, YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.
09:55:15 IT IS HARD WHEN YOU START GIVING ANALOGIES, OKAY.
09:55:19 BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN ANALOGY WITH THE POPULATION.
09:55:23 ONE OF THE THINGS WE MEASURE CRIME BY IS RECIDIVISM.
09:55:28 NOW LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO WE INCARCERATE AS A JUVENILE
09:55:31 DELINQUENT WHO ONCE THEY ARE IN THE SYSTEM, WE KNOW
09:55:32 WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM.
09:55:34 THAT IS COMPARISON A.
09:55:39 COMPARISON B IS SOMEBODY WHO IN JAIL WAS RECRUITED BY
09:55:43 THE NATION OF ISLAM.
09:55:47 WE ARE COMPARING NOT PHILOSOPHIES, NOT IDEALS, BUT
09:55:48 COMPARING TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS.
09:55:51 WHAT IS THE RECIDIVISM OF SOMEONE WHO JOINS THE NATION
09:55:55 OF ISLAM, I WILL TELL YOU IT IS A VERY LOW NUMBER.
09:55:58 THE REASON WHY, YOU GAVE SOMEBODY HOPE, YOU GAVE THEM
09:56:01 AN ASPIRATION AND YOU GAVE THEM A GOAL AND GAVE THEM
09:56:01 SUPPORT.
09:56:05 WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT FOR OUR POPULATION?
09:56:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GRAY.
09:56:08 WELL SAID.
09:56:09 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:56:11 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:56:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
09:56:13 ANYBODY ELSE?
09:56:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. GRAY, FOR WHAT YOU
09:56:17 HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WHAT YOU ARE DOING TODAY, WHAT
09:56:20 YOU ARE TAKING ON IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT YOU ARE REALLY
09:56:21 DOING FOREVER.
09:56:23 AND THE WORDS I CAUGHT MOST WERE WORDS WHEN YOU SPOKE
09:56:27 FROM YOUR HEART THAT CAME OUT THROUGH YOUR MOUTH SAYING
09:56:30 THE FACT -- THE FACT IS THAT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE FROM
09:56:34 SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY TO TODAY, TOMORROW
09:56:36 AND TO THE FUTURE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE CHANGE.
09:56:38 YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE IT STARTS
09:56:42 WAY BACK WHEN YOU ARE MUCH YOUNGER THAN YOU AND I.
09:56:47 AND WHEN YOU GIVE SOME YOUNG PERSON AN OPPORTUNITY TO
09:56:50 LEARN, TO FOLLOW A GUIDELINE, THEY BECOME A BETTER
09:56:51 CITIZEN.
09:56:55 AND IF THAT HAPPENS, THEIR KIDS AND THEIR KID'S KIDS.
09:56:59 THAT IS WHO I BELIEVE YOU ARE SPEAKING ON WILL FOLLOW
09:57:01 THE GUIDANCE OF THE PARENTS AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE
09:57:01 MISSING.
09:57:03 I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
09:57:07 I HAD A LOT OF HELP AND PROGRAMS TO GET ME TO WHERE I
09:57:08 AM AT TODAY.
09:57:10 AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR
09:57:12 GIVING THE YOUNG PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE GOT TO CHANGE IT
09:57:14 WHEN THEY ARE REAL YOUNG.
09:57:18 BECAUSE IF NOT, THEY GET USED TO WHAT THEY SEE ON THE
09:57:22 STREET AND THE STREET PERSON ONLY LEARNS IN THE STREET.
09:57:25 AND THE PERSON HAS GUIDANCE CAN GO TO THE PARK AND
09:57:28 LEARN SOMETHING FROM NOT ONLY THE KIDS THAT THEY ARE
09:57:29 PLAYING WITH.
09:57:31 YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW TO WIN AND CERTAINLY BEFORE YOU
09:57:35 LEARN HOW TO WIN, YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW TO LOSE AND GET
09:57:36 BACK UP AND TRY TO WIN.
09:57:38 THAT IS WHERE I THINK THE DIFFICULTIES ARE.
09:57:40 SOME OF US FALL.
09:57:41 YOU KNOW.
09:57:44 DON'T HAVE THE ENCOURAGEMENT TO GET UP AND TRY AGAIN.
09:57:46 YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
09:57:48 YOU MUST CONTINUE TO TRY IF YOU WANT TO SUCCEED.
09:57:50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU AND WHAT YOUR ORGANIZATION
09:57:52 THE URBAN LEAGUE IS DOING.
09:57:53 THANK YOU, SIR.
09:57:55 >> SIR, IF I CAN SAY ONE THING.
09:57:57 THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE, BUT I REALLY THINK THE
09:58:01 CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS TO TRY COLLECTIVELY RAISE THE
09:58:04 LEVEL OF SELF-ACTUALIZATION OF ALL OF OUR PEOPLE IN THE
09:58:05 COMMUNITY.
09:58:07 BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT
09:58:09 PEOPLE JUST CONTINUE ON.
09:58:12 I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES I ACTUALLY ASK THIS QUESTION.
09:58:15 DO OUR PARENTS AND DO OUR GRANDPARENTS WANT BETTER FOR
09:58:18 THEIR GRANDKIDS AND CHILDREN THAN THEY DO THEMSELVES?
09:58:21 BY ACTION, A LOT OF TIMES I REALLY QUESTION THAT
09:58:26 BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF SELF-ACTUALIZATION HAS DIPPED SO
09:58:28 LOW.
09:58:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU.
09:58:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STANLEY, I WILL SAY FEW WORDS AND
09:58:36 PASS IT BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN WHO JUST REJOINED US.
09:58:39 I THINK WHEN YOU AND I MET, I THINK IT WAS A LONG TIME
09:58:43 AGO, I THINK I WAS EITHER TEACHING SCHOOL OR FINISHING
09:58:46 TEACHING SCHOOL AT BOOKER T. WASHINGTON IN YBOR CITY
09:58:49 AND I WENT DOWN ROBINSON HIGH.
09:58:52 BETWEEN THAT AND MY PUBLIC DEFENDER EXPERIENCES OVER
09:58:56 THE YEARS, ALL VERY EYE OPENING TO ME.
09:58:59 AND VERY VALUABLE EXPERIENCES, BECAUSE IT HAS GIVEN ME
09:59:03 A LEVEL OF EMPATHY TO KNOW THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME VERY
09:59:08 BIG ISSUES IN THIS CITY.
09:59:12 AND ISSUES THAT I KNOW THIS COUNCIL AND OUR MAYOR ARE
09:59:15 TRYING TO ADDRESS ON A DAILY BASIS.
09:59:16 BUT WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE.
09:59:20 AND I SO ADMIRE AND APPRECIATE YOU, STANLEY, FOR
09:59:22 JUMPING -- JUMPING BACK IN WHEN YOU COULD HAVE BEEN
09:59:27 ENJOYING YOUR RETIREMENT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, BUT YOU
09:59:29 JUMP BACK IN WHEN YOU SEE A VOID.
09:59:34 AND WE APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY OFF THIS REVITALIZED AND
09:59:36 REINVIGORATED THE TAMPA URBAN LEAGUE.
09:59:40 STANLEY, TELL FOLKS WHAT YOUR WEB SITE IS SO THEY CAN
09:59:42 REACH OUT TO YOU IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY CAN.
09:59:45 >> PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LOOK UP INFORMATION ABOUT US.
09:59:50 WWW.ULHC.ORG.
09:59:59 AGAIN, WWW.ULHC.ORG.
10:00:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:00:02 MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:00:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID HEAR THE COMMENTS.
10:00:07 I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH MR. GRAY AND OTHER FOLKS WITH
10:00:07 THE URBAN LEAGUE.
10:00:11 I THINK IT IS -- I THINK HE HAS THE RIGHT PATH.
10:00:14 HE IS GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
10:00:16 PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED.
10:00:18 PEOPLE WHO CAN RAISE DOLLARS.
10:00:19 IT IS ALWAYS KEY.
10:00:23 I THINK FOR ME WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT MR. GRAY IS TALK.
10:00:25 IT IS EMPOWERMENT.
10:00:27 IT IS EMPOWERMENT.
10:00:30 WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:00:34 EMPOWERMENT AND WORKING TOGETHER MAKE US A MUCH
10:00:35 STRONGER COMMUNITY.
10:00:38 HELP THE ORGANIZATION THRIVE WHEN WE ARE IN POWER.
10:00:40 MR. GRAY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND YOU ARE
10:00:44 WORKING HARD TO MAKE US ONE OF THE BEST URBAN LEAGUE IN
10:00:45 THE COUNTRY.
10:00:46 THANK YOU.
10:00:48 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
10:00:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:00:50 HAS EVERYBODY GONE AND TALKED.
10:00:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK SO.
10:00:56 MR. CHAIRMAN -- MR. GRAY, WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.
10:00:56 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:01:01 [APPLAUSE]
10:01:03 MR. CHAIRMAN, THE HELM IS YOURS.
10:01:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, GENTLEMEN.
10:01:10 WE ARE GOING TO GO -- NUMBER FOUR, I AM SORRY.
10:01:13 MISS FOXX-KNOWLES.
10:01:17 ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
10:01:22 >> GOOD MORNING, SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK.
10:01:25 I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT EXPRESSING AN INTEREST OF
10:01:32 BEING APPOINTED TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
10:01:39 MISS OONA RUTH JOHNSEN.
10:01:44 >> HI, JUST WANTED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU TO SHOW MY
10:01:48 INTEREST IN THE VRB POSITION, VOLUNTEER POSITION.
10:01:52 I AM A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH ABOUT 20 YEARS IN THE
10:01:53 PROFESSION.
10:01:57 I AM LICENSED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND CALIFORNIA.
10:02:03 I SPECIALIZE IN PUBLIC PROJECTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
10:02:06 SPACES, PARKS AND PLAZAS.
10:02:09 I AM HAPPY TO DO WHAT I CAN FOR MY COMMUNITY.
10:02:13 I SERVE ON THE MPO LIVABLE ROADWAY COMMITTEE.
10:02:18 I ALSO AM ON THE U.S. GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL WOMEN AND
10:02:19 GREENS HOST COMMITTEE.
10:02:25 AND LASTLY, I ALSO ON THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP
10:02:27 URBAN DESIGN COMMITTEE AS WELL.
10:02:29 SO I DO WHAT I CAN.
10:02:30 THANK YOU.
10:02:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:02:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I READ THE APPLICATION, MR.
10:02:42 CHAIRMAN, IF IT IS FINE WITH YOU, I MOVE THE APPOINTEE.
10:02:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
10:02:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MIRANDA.
10:02:50 SECOND BY MANISCALCO.
10:02:53 ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:02:54 CLERK?
10:02:56 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:02:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:03:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:03:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AS PART OF THE LIVABLE ROADWAY AND
10:03:08 HAVING HEARD MISS JENSEN FOR MONTHS NOW, I KNOW SHE
10:03:11 WILL MAKE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE VRB.
10:03:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YES.
10:03:16 >>CLERK: VIERA?
10:03:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:03:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:03:23 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
10:03:25 AT VOTE.
10:03:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, AND CONGRATULATIONS.
10:03:29 >> THANK YOU.
10:03:31 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:03:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW I AM ALWAYS
10:03:34 TRANSPARENT.
10:03:38 THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED THAT THERE WOULD
10:03:40 BE A PRESS CONFERENCE AT 10:00.
10:03:41 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
10:03:45 THE MAYOR IS HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE WITH THE NAACP
10:03:49 PRESIDENT AND NOT REGARDING ANY ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA.
10:03:52 IT IS REGARDING ANOTHER ITEM WHICH IS WITH OUR
10:03:54 CEMETERIES AND I WENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS GOING TO
10:03:57 HAPPEN AS A PRESS CONFERENCE, I WAS GOING TO STOP OUR
10:03:59 MEETING TO LISTEN TO THAT PRESS CONFERENCE BUT
10:04:02 APPARENTLY THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
10:04:07 APPARENTLY IT IS REFERENCE TO THE CEMETERY.
10:04:09 SO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT I RECEIVED FROM THE
10:04:15 COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR JANELLE MCGREGOR.
10:04:16 WE WILL PROCEED.
10:04:17 GENERAL PUBLIC.
10:04:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FUNNY COINCIDENCE.
10:04:22 AFTER HAVING READ ALL THE ARTICLES IN THE PAPER ABOUT
10:04:27 THE FORMER COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY WHICH NOW APPARENTLY
10:04:33 MIGHT BE HIDDEN AWAY UNDERNEATH CONCRETE I WAS ACTUALLY
10:04:36 GOING TO MAKE A MOTION -- I STILL MIGHT MAKE A MOTION
10:04:38 FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT BACK US TO WHAT THE
10:04:42 CITY CAN AND WILL BE DOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
10:04:45 AND I AM NOT SAYING -- I AM NOT SAYING THE CITY IS HERE
10:04:49 TO FIX EVERY POSSIBLE PROBLEM IN HISTORY, BUT IN THIS
10:04:53 CASE, IF YOU BELIEVE THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, WHICH I DO,
10:04:58 IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY WAS POTENTIALLY COMPLICITY IN
10:05:00 THIS -- IN THIS ISSUE.
10:05:04 WHICH MEANS THAT WE NEED TO STEP UP AND I AM SURE SHAH
10:05:07 IS WHAT IS HAPPENING OUTSIDE AT THIS PRESS CONFERENCE,
10:05:17 AT LEAST I HOPE SO THAT THE MAYOR AND STATE LEGISLATURE
10:05:19 IS STEPPING UP AND ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.
10:05:23 WE NEED TO GET TO THE ROOT OF IT AND FIND OUT WHAT
10:05:36 HAPPENED TO THESE FOLKS AND WHERE WE ARE GUDES AID
10:05:40 MEETING AND THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THE CEMETERIES.
10:05:43 JOHN BENNETT SAID SHE IS THE FOCAL POINT ON THE
10:05:47 CEMETERY ISSUES AND WHEN THESE ISSUES COME UP HOW THEY
10:05:48 WILL ATTACK THESE SITUATIONS.
10:05:51 SO WE SHOULD BE HEARING SOMETHING IN BACK WITH
10:05:54 REFERENCE TO THAT PARTICULAR CEMETERY AND THE PLAN THEY
10:05:58 WILL PUT FORTH FOR ALL THE CEMETERIES IN THE CITY IF
10:05:59 SOMETHING COMES UP.
10:06:01 THEY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND HOPEFULLY WILL GET
10:06:02 INFORMATION SOON.
10:06:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GREAT.
10:06:03 THANK YOU.
10:06:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:06:11 WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SPEAKERS DOWNSTAIRS IN REFERENCE TO
10:06:13 ITEM 64.
10:06:17 I AM GOING TO ASK ANYONE THAT IS MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT
10:06:21 TODAY ON ITEM 64 WAIT UNTIL THAT ITEM IS RAISED AND
10:06:23 THEY CAN SPEAK TO THE ISSUE THEN.
10:06:27 IF ANYONE ELSE HAS JUST REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:06:29 THEY CAN SPEAK WHEN I OPEN IT UP.
10:06:33 IF YOU WERE SPEAKING ON ITEM 64, WAIT UNTIL ITEM 64 IS
10:06:34 CALLED.
10:06:37 I AM ASKING ALL COUNCILMEMBERS DO NOT AT THIS POINT IN
10:06:40 JUNCTURE ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF ANYBODY.
10:06:43 WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS FINISHED AND
10:06:45 ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULD FOR TIME
10:06:47 CONSTRAINT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG DAY AND
10:06:50 MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING IN AND EVERYBODY CAN SPEAK.
10:06:53 ALSO, I AM GOING TO STICK TO THE THREE MINUTE.
10:06:58 NOT GIVE ANYONE ANY EXTRA TIME.
10:07:01 THREE MINUTES AND WE WILL CUT YOU OFF AND THEN MOVE
10:07:01 FORWARD.
10:07:04 COUNCILMEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS YOU CAN
10:07:08 RESPOND AFTER ALL THE COMMENTS.
10:07:09 CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:07:13 >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE DOING 64 AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:07:15 WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM WAIT ALL DAY.
10:07:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
10:07:17 WE WILL DO IT FIRST.
10:07:18 YES, SIR.
10:07:21 WE WILL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:07:28 DOWNSTAIRS, SECOND FLOOR.
10:07:46 AGAIN, IF YOU ARE SPEAKING ON ITEM 64 WILL BE HELD
10:07:49 UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT.
10:07:50 >> HI.
10:07:54 MY NAME IS ERIKA LEIPERTZ.
10:07:55 1037 MILWAUKEE AVENUE.
10:07:57 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
10:08:00 ALL KNOW I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, I AM
10:08:03 A STUDENT IN THE PUBLIC POLICY ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM
10:08:06 AT ST. PETERSBURG COLLEGE, SO I HAVE TAKEN A VESTED
10:08:11 INTEREST IN ITEM 5, THE AMENDMENT OF-71 REGARDING
10:08:13 INTERNAL AUDITS.
10:08:17 NOVEMBER 18, 2016 IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, THE
10:08:22 CONSTITUENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA VOTED TO REQUEST THE
10:08:27 CITY AUDITOR TO PERFORM ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDIT PRIOR
10:08:29 TO THE BEGINNING OF EACH FISCAL YEAR.
10:08:31 I BELIEVE IT IS NECESSARY TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE BASED
10:08:34 ON VOTERS CHOICE BUT CAPACITY LIMITATIONS WHEN DEALING
10:08:39 WITH THE INTERNAL AUDIT PROCESS THAT THE PUBLIC MAY NOT
10:08:41 BE AWARE OF.
10:08:43 SINCE THIS AMENDMENT WILL NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
10:08:48 INTERNAL AUDITS EACH YEAR AND INSTEAD DECISIONS ON
10:08:51 WHICH ETERNAL AUDITS.
10:08:53 MY RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE
10:08:56 AMENDMENT SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES A SPECIFIC
10:08:59 PERCENTAGE OF ADDITIONAL AUDITS THAT MAY BE ADDED OR A
10:09:04 SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT CITY COUNCIL MAY REQUEST AFTER THE
10:09:07 ANNUAL ALTERNATIVE WORK PLAN IS PROPOSED VERSUS
10:09:10 INDICATING THE LANGUAGE THERE SHOULD JUST BE CAPACITY
10:09:13 LIMITATIONS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
10:09:14 THANK YOU.
10:09:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:09:47 >> SOVEREIGN DESPOT KING, HOLDING JOHNNY B. HALL, UNIFORM, 1-308.
10:09:50 WORLDWIDE GOVERNING BODY.
10:09:54 I HAVE BEEN WATCHING, KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS.
10:10:00 I SEE THAT SOME OF YOU GOVERNMENTS ARE STILL REFUSING
10:10:03 TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PEOPLE.
10:10:06 AND REALLY LET THEM KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
10:10:07 MOST OF YOU PEOPLE ARE LOST.
10:10:09 THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR HISTORIES.
10:10:11 THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
10:10:15 FIGHTING OVER NOTHING.
10:10:18 AND COVID CAME IN DOING A LITTLE SPIN.
10:10:21 BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACTS THAT WHAT HAS TAKEN
10:10:24 PLACE.
10:10:28 RELIGION ON THE SCENE IS TRYING TO KEEP A HEAVY FOOT
10:10:30 BUT DOESN'T WANT TO COME OUT WITH ANY TRUTH BECAUSE
10:10:34 RELIGION IS AFRAID OF LOSING MONEY, CONGREGATION,
10:10:37 HOUSES AND STUFF TO WHICH THEY STOLE FROM THEIR PEOPLE
10:10:41 ANYWAYS.
10:10:44 AS FAR AS THIS THING GOES, EVERYONE IS GETTING THEIR
10:10:46 STIMULUS CHECKS AND ALL OF THIS.
10:10:50 SPEND YOUR STIMULUS CHECKS WISELY.
10:10:53 A CATCH-22 WITH THOSE STIMULUS CHECKS, YOU KNOW.
10:10:56 IT IS NOT FREE.
10:11:05 YES, THEY GOT A LITTLE HIDDEN AGENDAS BEHIND THEM.
10:11:07 TWO GOVERNMENTS OPERATING RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED
10:11:08 STATES.
10:11:09 YOU HAVE A FREE GOVERNMENT.
10:11:12 AND YOU HAVE A WORKING GOVERNMENT, A GOVERNMENT FOR
10:11:15 WORKERS, SERVANTS.
10:11:17 THESE TWO GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG
10:11:21 TIME, BUT ONLY ONE HAS BEEN SPEAKING, WHICH IS CALLED A
10:11:25 COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENT, A SUB GOVERNMENT, WHICH ISN'T
10:11:30 REALLY GOVERNING THE PEOPLE, IT IS JUST GOVERNING JOBS
10:11:37 AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOUR FINANCES.
10:11:38 DEBTORSHIP.
10:11:40 DEBT.
10:11:44 THE DEBT IS STILL IN PLACE.
10:11:47 NOW THAT DEBT DOESN'T BELONG TO EVERYBODY.
10:11:52 IT ONLY BELONGS TO THOSE WHO STAY IN THE FALSEHOOD, WHO
10:12:01 DON'T COME UP OUT OF THE FALSEHOOD.
10:12:08 NOW NEIGHBORHOODS, CITIES, YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
10:12:10 FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES.
10:12:12 INSTEAD YOU ARE FIGHTING EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU DON'T
10:12:13 KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
10:12:17 SOME OF YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE YOU
10:12:20 WERE TAUGHT A FALSE HISTORY, YOU WERE TAUGHT A FALSE
10:12:23 EDUCATION IN ORDER TO KEEP NEW LINE, IN ORDER TO KEEP
10:12:25 YOU WORKING, MOVING ALONG.
10:12:31 IT'S TIME TO REBUILD AS YOU LIKE TO SAY REVELATION.
10:12:36 REVEAL THINGS THAT THAT HAVE BEEN HIDDEN.
10:12:39 THIS AIN'T THE TIME TO KEEP HIDING STUFF FROM PEOPLE.
10:12:41 THE MONEY DOESN'T MATTER REALLY BECAUSE IT IS NOT REAL,
10:12:46 IT IS SOMETHING THAT KEEP THE PEOPLE CHASING AND
10:12:50 RUNNING.
10:12:58 YOU GUYS NOW HAVE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT
10:12:59 KAMALA HARRIS.
10:13:04 ALL RIGHT, THAT IS Y'ALL'S COMMERCIAL LEADER BUT NOT
10:13:06 YOUR HEAD OF AMERICA.
10:13:09 THAT IS JUST THERE FOR THE WORKERS.
10:13:14 AMERICA GOT MANY LEADERS THAT HAVE NOT SPOKEN UP.
10:13:17 FOR REAL LEADERS.
10:13:19 COMMERCIAL LEADERS ARE THERE FOR THE WORKERS.
10:13:22 WE NEED TO REALLY JUST COME OUT ON THE SCENE AND START
10:13:25 REALLY SPEAKING AND DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
10:13:27 DOING ON THE SCENE.
10:13:34 THE COMMERCIAL PART, THEY HANDLE THE WORKERS.
10:13:38 THE SAME THING IS GOING ON IN EVERY COUNTRY EVERYWHERE.
10:13:43 IT MAY NOT BE -- THEY MAY NOT SPEAK IT OR VERBALIZE IT.
10:13:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:14:15 THANK YOU.
10:14:17 >> UHURU.
10:14:19 MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
10:14:22 WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED TO BE THINKING OF WHAT WE ARE
10:14:22 DOING.
10:14:26 AT THE CLUB PARTYING, IF WE ARE OUTSIDE, HAVING FUN
10:14:30 FAMILY REUNION, PICNIC, SHOULD BE THINKING OF OUR
10:14:32 UHURU.
10:14:34 THAT IS WHAT THAT WORD MEANS.
10:14:36 I WANT TO GIVE YOU A PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF HOW I DEAL
10:14:37 WITH MY KIDS.
10:14:39 I GOT LOTS OF CHILDREN.
10:14:43 I PROMISED THEM NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT AROUND OUR
10:14:43 HOUSE.
10:14:44 NONE WHATSOEVER.
10:14:46 NO VIOLENCE AROUND OUR HOUSE.
10:14:47 NONE WHATSOEVER.
10:14:49 ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NONE.
10:14:53 AND ANY TIME THEY GET OUT OF LINE AND I CATCH THEM AND
10:14:57 PUT THAT BELT ON THEM, THEY LIKE, I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE
10:15:01 NEVER -- I SAID, YEAH, BUT WITH THAT PLEDGE I MADE, YOU
10:15:03 HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO DO GOOD.
10:15:04 YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT.
10:15:06 I AM GOING TO REPRESENT WHAT I SAY.
10:15:08 NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT.
10:15:11 AND YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT YOUR LEVEL OF EXPECTATION IN
10:15:12 SOCIETY.
10:15:16 AND WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS ORLANDO GUDES, IT IS TIME FOR
10:15:17 YOU TO RESIGN.
10:15:21 IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO RESIGN THIS POSITION.
10:15:21 YEAH.
10:15:24 IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO SAY GOODBYE TO DISTRICT 5.
10:15:26 STRAIGHT UP.
10:15:27 AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHY.
10:15:31 WE CANNOT HAVE POLITICIANS ANYMORE THAT DON'T REPRESENT
10:15:33 THE INTEREST OF AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:15:36 1863, ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS TALKING ABOUT EMANCIPATION
10:15:40 PROCLAMATION AND IN 1865, GENERAL SHERMAN WAS TALKING
10:15:42 OF 40 ACRES AND A MULE.
10:15:45 IN 1865, TALKING OF JUNETEENTH AND FREEDOM FOR
10:15:50 AFRICANS, AND IN 1921, WE ARE AROUND HERE AS BLACK
10:15:53 PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PARK.
10:15:54 IF THEY ARE GOING TO REBUILD SOMETHING.
10:15:55 DO THIS.
10:15:58 IF WE GOT A PLACE TO LIVE, WHATSOEVER.
10:16:00 WE ARE WAY PAST 40 ACRES AND A MULE.
10:16:04 OUR BLACK POLITICIANS HAVE TO TALK OF REPARATIONS.
10:16:08 OUR BLACK POLITICIANS HAVE TO TALK OF POLICE VIOLENCE.
10:16:12 OUR BLACK POLITICIANS CAN'T TALK OF COMPROMISE AND
10:16:17 GIVING THE MAYOR AND THROWING NAACP OFF IN A DIFFERENT
10:16:19 DIRECTION AND COMPROMISES AND WHATNOT.
10:16:20 BLACK PEOPLE DON'T NEED THAT.
10:16:23 STATE OF TEXAS LAST NIGHT THE GOVERNOR SAID EVERYBODY
10:16:25 CAN CARRY A GUN.
10:16:26 ANYBODY CAN OWN A WEAPON.
10:16:30 IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, Y'ALL CAN'T THROW BICYCLE
10:16:30 STOPS.
10:16:33 OUR REPRESENTATIVES CAN'T THROW A BICYCLE STOPS OFF OUR
10:16:35 TEENAGERS AND ADULTS.
10:16:38 SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE.
10:16:40 BLACK PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO BE SUFFERING, SUFFERING,
10:16:43 SUFFERING, SUFFERING, 600 YEARS, 621 YEARS OF
10:16:44 SUFFERING.
10:16:47 OUR AFRICAN PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
10:16:49 I DON'T NEED TO BE AN ADULT MAN AND SUFFERING EVERY
10:16:50 DAY.
10:16:50 NO.
10:16:52 IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.
10:16:53 A REAL CHANGE.
10:16:54 NOT THE OBAMA CHANGE.
10:16:58 TIME FOR THE MALCOLM X, FRED HAMPTON AND BLACK PANTHER
10:17:01 PARTY FOR BLACK PEOPLE.
10:17:05 CAN'T BURN ROSEWOOD, BLACK WALL STREET, CENTRAL PARK
10:17:08 VILLAGE AND ALL THAT AND SAY WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING --
10:17:11 HISTORIC HOUSE FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT.
10:17:13 NO, WE NEED REAL SOLUTIONS.
10:17:14 WE NEED REAL CHANGES.
10:17:17 WE NEED REAL POWER IN OUR HAND AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:17:22 WE ARE 26% OF THIS POPULATION.
10:17:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEIR MR. MENTESNOT.
10:17:30 THANK YOU FOR COMING.
10:17:40 THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
10:17:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:17:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
10:17:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.
10:17:49 I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WOULD PREFER ME NOT TO SAY
10:17:54 ANYTHING, BUT I WILL RESPOND TO THAT LAST SPEAKER.
10:17:59 LET ME JUST SAY THAT I HAVE WORKED SITTING IN THIS
10:18:06 CHAIR WITH A VARIETY OF COUNCILMEN AND COUNCIL WOMEN
10:18:09 WHO REPRESENT YOUR DISTRICT IN EAST TAMPA.
10:18:11 AND THEY ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE.
10:18:15 THEY HAVE ALL WORKED HARD, BUT I NEVER WORKED WITH
10:18:18 ANYBODY WHO HAS WORKED HARDER FOR YOUR DISTRICT, MR.
10:18:19 CHAIRMAN, THAN YOU HAVE.
10:18:21 OKAY.
10:18:22 YOU ARE -- YOU ARE OUT THERE.
10:18:24 YOU ARE WORKING ON THE STREETS.
10:18:25 YOU ARE WORKING IT HERE.
10:18:28 YOU ARE WORKING IT ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE MAYOR.
10:18:31 YOU ARE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HELP THE FOLKS OF
10:18:35 YOUR DISTRICT AND THIS ENTIRE CITY EVERY DAY OF THE
10:18:37 WEEK, 24-7.
10:18:40 AND I -- AND IT IS MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE WITH
10:18:41 YOU.
10:18:45 AND WHILE I MIGHT AGREE WITH SOME THINGS THAT THE
10:18:48 GENTLEMAN SAYS SOMETIMES, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT
10:18:49 STATEMENT.
10:18:52 AND I JUST NEEDED TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST.
10:18:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:18:55 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:18:58 YOU CAN CONTINUE, SIR.
10:18:59 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:19:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MORNING.
10:19:02 >> ERIC COX.
10:19:03 I AM A HOMELESS SENIOR CITIZEN.
10:19:05 I HAVE BEEN A HARD WORKER ALL MY LIFE.
10:19:06 I PAID MY TAXES.
10:19:09 AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE HOMELESS
10:19:10 FOR THE DISABLED.
10:19:14 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THAT.
10:19:16 I HAD SEVERAL DOORS CLOSED IN MY FACE.
10:19:19 I AM TRYING TO GET A HOUSE -- AN APARTMENT OR SOMETHING
10:19:20 FOR MYSELF.
10:19:23 I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE ISSUE?
10:19:25 WHY IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THIS?
10:19:26 THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE.
10:19:27 I DON'T DRINK.
10:19:30 I DON'T DO DRUGS AND WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR ME A BLACK
10:19:32 MAN WHO LIFT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
10:19:34 BORN AND RAISED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TO GET HOUSING.
10:19:36 WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THAT?
10:19:37 WHY IS IT SO HARD?
10:19:40 WHY CAN'T WE OPEN UP DOORS AND NOT MAKE IT SO HARD FOR
10:19:42 PEOPLE MY AGE, PEOPLE MY COLOR.
10:19:45 NOT EVEN MY COLOR, OTHER RACES THAT ARE FACING THE SAME
10:19:45 THING.
10:19:49 THIS ISSUE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED THE AND NOT JUST PUT
10:19:52 BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND SAY WE WILL ADDRESS THAT SOME
10:19:52 OTHER TIME.
10:19:55 THIS ISSUE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW AND HAS TO BE
10:20:01 ADDRESSED WITH DILIGENCE.
10:20:02 CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME AN ANSWER?
10:20:04 CAN SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND?
10:20:07 AND DON'T JUST PUT ME ON THE SIDE AND SAY WE WILL
10:20:09 ADDRESS IT LATER.
10:20:11 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS,
10:20:12 PLEASE.
10:20:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU WANT ME TO
10:20:14 ADDRESS.
10:20:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RESPOND TO THE GENTLEMAN.
10:20:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
10:20:19 ATTORNEY.
10:20:22 GENERALLY SPEAKING QUESTIONS ARE NOT ENTERTAINED AT
10:20:22 THIS POINT.
10:20:25 I SUSPECT SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF WILL BE
10:20:27 THERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT.
10:20:31 YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK -- MAKE YOUR
10:20:34 STATEMENT AND PERHAPS THE COUNCILMEMBERS WILL REACH OUT
10:20:37 OR SHOULD REACH OUT IF THAT IS THEIR CHOICE.
10:20:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SONYA IS DOWN AND WILL GIVE MY CARD,
10:20:42 MR. SHELBY.
10:20:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO ANSWER
10:20:48 QUESTIONS, BUT A RULE THAT SAYS THAT CITY COUNCILS
10:20:51 SHOULD BE REFRAIN TO ENGAGE A SPEAKER IN DIALOGUE
10:20:54 DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:20:56 THEY ARE THERE TO LISTEN TO YOU AND HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE
10:20:58 TO SAY AND THAT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
10:21:00 THANK YOU AND SOMEBODY WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THE
10:21:01 SECOND FLOOR.
10:21:02 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:21:03 HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:21:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
10:21:11 WE APPRECIATE YOU.
10:21:32 ANY MORE SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
10:21:35 >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK GOD FOR ME BEING HERE.
10:21:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:39 >> MELVIN LEE HICKS.
10:21:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:21:44 >> I WANT TO THANK GOD FOR ME BEING HERE.
10:21:47 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL PEOPLE.
10:21:48 I DON'T WANT TO SEE MYSELF.
10:21:49 ALL RIGHT.
10:21:54 I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS TO RESIGN, EVEN
10:21:57 THE CITY -- THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
10:22:01 AND I THINK Y'ALL IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE STATE AND
10:22:05 FEDERAL LAW BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ME.
10:22:12 Y'ALL HAVE NO COMPETENCY OF RUNNING A DISTRICT -- YOU
10:22:16 REALLY DON'T HAVE A COMPETENCY TO RUN A DISTRICT.
10:22:20 YOU USE DIFFERENT TOOLS TO HARASS ME AND HARASS THE
10:22:23 PEOPLE AND THEIR SAFETY ABOUT DOING IT.
10:22:27 YOU DO IT ALL BY THAT -- BY -- BY EVERYTHING.
10:22:30 IT IS SO MUCH THAT I CAN'T EVEN SAY IT ALL, FOR REAL.
10:22:35 AND THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, YOU
10:22:37 NEED TO GIVE UP YOUR LICENSE TOO BECAUSE YOU ARE IN
10:22:39 TOTAL VIOLATION OF YOUR OATH.
10:22:41 YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN TALK, SIR.
10:22:44 YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN TALK OR GIVE COMMENT OR SAY
10:22:44 ANYTHING.
10:22:47 YOU ARE IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF YOUR OATH, SIR.
10:22:52 AND MR. ORLANDO GUDES.
10:22:53 COUNCIL.
10:22:55 CITY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN, I SECOND THAT MOTION FOR YOU TO
10:22:56 RESIGN, SIR.
10:22:59 BECAUSE OUR BLACK MAN.
10:23:00 OUR BLACK MAN.
10:23:03 AND YOU SEE HOW THE CITY HAVE BEEN DOING THE BLACK
10:23:04 COMMUNITY.
10:23:05 EVEN THE COUNTY.
10:23:07 YOU SEE HOW THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THEM.
10:23:11 I AM PROOF IN THE PUDDING HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAY -- I
10:23:13 AM PROOF IN THE PUDDING.
10:23:22 I READ THAT STORY WHAT HAPPENED IN TULSA, BLACK NEGRO,
10:23:24 NO ONE TOUCH HIM.
10:23:26 I HAVE BEEN TOUCHED TWO TIMES.
10:23:29 TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE CONTRACT.
10:23:32 YOU ALL NEED TO RESIGN.
10:23:38 JOHN -- DINGFELDER -- YOU NEED TO BE QUIET.
10:23:40 YOU NEED TO BE QUIET, SIR.
10:23:43 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SPEAKING FOR SOMEBODY.
10:23:47 I REMEMBER PUBLIX WAVING YOUR DAMN HAND -- EXCUSE ME,
10:23:50 WAVING YOUR HAND FOR A VOTE, SIR.
10:23:51 YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.
10:23:52 NONE AT ALL.
10:23:53 NONE AT ALL, SIR.
10:23:55 NO CREDIBILITY.
10:23:56 FOR THE PEOPLE.
10:23:59 YOU ONLY GOT CREDIBILITY FOR YOUR POCKET.
10:24:03 FOR -- YOU ARE -- YOU ARE A CAREER POLITICIAN.
10:24:05 SO WHAT IS A CAREER POLITICIAN?
10:24:07 NOT FOR THE PEOPLE.
10:24:09 ALL OF Y'ALL NEED TO RESIGN.
10:24:12 EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF Y'ALL NEED TO PUT YOUR
10:24:15 RESIGNATION IN TODAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO NOTHING --
10:24:17 YOU AIN'T DID NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE.
10:24:23 STILL PEOPLE UP THERE FOR -- EVEN MR. -- MR. O'CHARLIE
10:24:26 IN THE BUCKHORN ERA.
10:24:27 THE BUCKHORN ERA
10:24:30 AND STILL DOING UP THERE.
10:24:32 WHAT YOU DID FOR THE PEOPLE?
10:24:33 WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE PEOPLE?
10:24:37 ALL OF YOU ALL NEED TO RESIGN AND LET'S START OVER.
10:24:39 LET'S START OVER.
10:24:54 >> THANK YOU FOR COMMENTS.
10:24:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
10:25:08 THANK YOU, SIR.
10:25:12 >> NO MORE PUBLIC SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME.
10:25:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MANY REGISTERED DO WE HAVE.
10:25:15 ONE?
10:25:16 LET'S HEAR IT.
10:25:18 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
10:25:23 THE FIRST REGISTERED IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:25:25 IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE
10:25:26 THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:25:27 >> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.
10:25:30 THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING OUR CITY.
10:25:31 I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU.
10:25:34 MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:25:35 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:25:38 GUDES I CAN HEAR YOU.
10:25:44 >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR AND WHAT YOU TOOK OFF IT
10:25:45 IS POSTPONED.
10:25:48 I WANT TO PEAK OF A PR ISSUE I HAVE RECOGNIZED OVER THE
10:25:51 LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
10:25:56 IN NEARLY TWO YEARS I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STOP
10:25:58 OVERBUILDING, SOG.
10:26:00 ONE THING HAS REALLY BOTHERED ME.
10:26:02 THEY THINK THAT YOU DON'T CARE.
10:26:03 WHY DO THEY THINK THAT?
10:26:06 YOU DON'T RESPOND TO ANY E-MAILS OF QUASI JUDICIAL
10:26:08 MATTERS.
10:26:09 I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
10:26:13 I WAS PUT OFF BY COUNCILMAN CITRO WHEN COUNCILMAN CITRO
10:26:16 TOLD ME HE COULDN'T TALK TO ME OF A DEVELOPMENT ACROSS
10:26:19 THE STREET WITH ME WHILE WE WERE IN A VETERANS
10:26:20 TREATMENT EVENT.
10:26:22 SOMETHING ABOUT EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
10:26:25 I HAD NO CLUE WHAT THAT WAS.
10:26:28 I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THE TWO ROLES OF CITY COUNCIL.
10:26:30 I UNDERSTAND IT.
10:26:34 BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS WHO DO NOT GET IT.
10:26:39 THEY THINK THEIR IGNORING THEM.
10:26:42 THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE MISCONCEPTION TO REMEDY.
10:26:45 I WOULD ADD THAT IT COULD EASILY BE ADDRESSED OF AN
10:26:47 HOUR OR SO OF YOUR TIME.
10:26:50 A SHORT VIDEO THAT CAN BE POSTED BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER
10:26:53 CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND DURING YOUR BREAKS IN THE
10:26:53 VIDEO FEED.
10:26:58 I SAW A VIDEO OF THE MAYOR LAST WEEK DURING THE VIDEO
10:27:01 FEED AND HER RUNNING AROUND TOWN WITH SOME STATUES.
10:27:05 SO WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS EDUCATE DURING THAT TIME A SHORT
10:27:06 MINUTE-LONG VIDEO.
10:27:11 A ONE-PAGE FLIER OF SOME SORT THAT MAKES THIS IS A
10:27:12 SIMPLE STATEMENT TO UNDERSTAND.
10:27:15 PARTICIPATION IN GOVERNMENT IS INTIMIDATING FOR MANY.
10:27:18 A VOTE OTHER STEPS UP TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU SHOULD
10:27:19 NEVER FEEL IGNORED.
10:27:24 I ASK A COUNCIL ASSISTANT WITH SOME INFORMATION ABOUT
10:27:25 THE SUBJECT THIS WEEK.
10:27:28 SHE FORWARDED ME MR. SHELBY'S INFORMATION.
10:27:32 I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR MR. SHELBY, BUT IT WAS SIX
10:27:36 PAGES OF LEGALESE THAT I AM NOT -- I AM NOT GOING TO
10:27:37 READ IT, I AM SORRY.
10:27:40 IF I AM NOT GOING TO READ IT AND I AM TELLING YOU THE
10:27:43 TRUTH ABOUT IT, I THINK OTHER PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO
10:27:45 READ IT THAN I AM.
10:27:48 IN SHORT, THE PEOPLE NEED A SHORT, SWEET, EXPLANATION
10:27:55 OF WHY YOU CAN'T REPLY TO QUASI JUDICIAL INQUIRIES AND
10:27:55 E-MAILS.
10:27:56 JUST THAT SIMPLE.
10:28:00 IT IS A PUBLIC RELATIONS THING FOR YOU GUYS AND I HAVE
10:28:02 A LOT OF RESPECT FOR ALL OF YOU AND I HATE IT THAT
10:28:05 PEOPLE TALK BAD ABOUT YOU BECAUSE THEY DON'T HEAR BACK
10:28:05 FROM YOU.
10:28:07 HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:28:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:28:12 ANYBODY ELSE?
10:28:16 OKAY.
10:28:21 >>CLERK: -- SOMEONE WAS LOGGED IN AND HAD TO LOG OFF.
10:28:23 THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:28:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD SAY -- ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO
10:28:28 MAKE A STATEMENT AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:28:30 NOW IS THE TIME IF YOU WISH TO DO THAT.
10:28:32 LET ME SAY TWO POINTS.
10:28:35 MISS POYNOR IS CORRECT.
10:28:37 COMMUNICATION IS BAD.
10:28:39 THIS COUNCIL HAS NO COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR TO
10:28:42 COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ALL
10:28:43 THE TOOLS TO DO THAT.
10:28:45 AND I THINK SHE IS 100% RIGHT.
10:28:48 IF PEOPLE ARE INFORMED AND KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, THEN
10:28:51 THEY WON'T MAKE THESE KIND OF COMMENTS DURING PUBLIC
10:28:52 COMMENT.
10:28:55 IF THE COUNCIL HAS A COMMUNICATIONS PERSON TO TELL WHAT
10:28:58 WE ARE DOING IN OUR DISTRICT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE AND
10:28:59 KNOW.
10:29:02 THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SOMEONE THAT CONSTANTLY PUT
10:29:02 OUT INFORMATION.
10:29:04 WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
10:29:06 WE ARE LONE RANGERS.
10:29:07 WE HAVE AIDE CIRCUMSTANCES BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE
10:29:09 TECHNOLOGY SKILLS.
10:29:11 WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
10:29:15 I TAKE YOUR POINT WELL -- WELL TO HEART.
10:29:18 I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL AND WE NEED
10:29:20 TO LOOK INTO, BECAUSE WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION TO
10:29:22 THE PUBLIC ON OUR -- IN OUR HOUSE.
10:29:26 AND WE NEED A COMMUNICATION PERSON FOR OUR HOUSE TO GET
10:29:28 A MESSAGE OUT FOR OUR DISTRICT AND WHAT WE ARE DOING.
10:29:31 WE ARE PART OF THE CITY AND PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE
10:29:33 ARE DOING AND HOW THE RULES AND HOW COUNCIL OPERATES.
10:29:37 NOT HOW THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT HOW COUNCIL OPERATES
10:29:40 ITS HOUSE AND WHAT ARE OUR DO'S AND DON'TS SO PEOPLE
10:29:43 UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE.
10:29:47 A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE.
10:29:49 WITH THE HOMELESS OPINION I SYMPATHIZE.
10:29:52 WE WENT OUT WHAT WE CALL THE SHELTER LOOKING AT
10:29:53 OPTIONS.
10:29:54 WE UNDERSTAND IT IS A CRISIS.
10:29:57 EVERY DAY I GET TO THIS MICROPHONE I TALK ABOUT
10:29:58 HOUSING.
10:30:01 EVERY DAY I HAVE A CHANCE.
10:30:02 THERE IS A CRISIS.
10:30:03 THERE IS A NEED.
10:30:04 WE UNDERSTAND IT.
10:30:07 AGAIN TWO POINTS TODAY THAT I THINK ARE VERY, VERY
10:30:10 SERIOUS AND I HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION IS LISTENING AND
10:30:13 WE NEED A PERSON WHO CAN COMMUNICATE OUR MESSAGE AS
10:30:15 WELL AS THE MAYOR'S MESSAGE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:30:19 WITH THAT, MR. SHELBY, WE WILL GO TO ITEM 64, SIR.
10:30:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
10:30:30 ITEM 64 FIRST.
10:30:36 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE OR ONLINE OR PHONED
10:30:41 IN.
10:30:43 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DEAL WITH THIS NOW.
10:30:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY?
10:30:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE READY, 64.
10:30:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE.
10:30:55 SO THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU WISH TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT
10:30:57 AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
10:30:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.
10:31:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER HAS OPENED.
10:31:06 SECOND WHICH CITRO.
10:31:07 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:31:08 OPPOSED.
10:31:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: PUBLIC COMMENT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
10:31:12 WANT TO DO A PRESENTATION PRIOR.
10:31:13 YOUR CALL.
10:31:16 PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST?
10:31:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:31:22 >> THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MICHELLE KENOYER.
10:31:26 MICHELLE, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
10:31:27 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:31:29 >> KENOYER CORRECT.
10:31:32 THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY COMMENT.
10:31:38 I ARRIVED AT 3102 TERRA GROVE DRIVE IN TAMPA.
10:31:41 I AM SPEAKING OUT OF CITY COUNCIL PUTTING MORE
10:31:42 REPLACEMENTS.
10:31:45 NOT ONLY WILL RESULT IN MORE OVERSIGHT OF
10:31:47 ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT
10:31:51 WILL ALSO ENSURE THAT THE CRB IS MORE INDEPENDENT AND
10:31:53 REFLECTIVE OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY.
10:31:57 I AM ALSO URGING THE CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW THE CRB TO
10:31:59 APPOINT AND MAINTAIN ITS OWN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.
10:32:03 CURRENTLY THE CRB SHARES AN ATTORNEY WITH CITY OF TAMPA
10:32:09 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH YOU TO BE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT
10:32:13 FOR A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD THAT IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE
10:32:14 COMMUNITY.
10:32:20 OUR ATTORNEY SHOULD HAVE POWER.
10:32:24 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL WHO VOTED FOR AN
10:32:29 INDEPENDENT CRB AND MORE INDEPENDENCE AND OVERSIGHT OF
10:32:32 THE TAMPA IMPLEMENT IN ORDER.
10:32:36 AND I AM ASKING FOR ALL CITY COUNCILMEMBERS TO CONTINUE
10:32:38 TO SUPPORT THESE CHANGES TO THE WAY MEMBERS ARE
10:32:39 APPOINTED.
10:32:44 THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR LISTENING TO MY INPUT.
10:32:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:32:49 >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS CANO.
10:32:52 IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE.
10:32:54 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:32:55 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:32:59 THE SERVICE OF THE BRAVE MEN HONORED BY CHAIRMAN GUDES
10:33:01 EARLIER WAS CELEBRATED BY THIS COUNCIL.
10:33:05 AFTER WORLD WAR II AND KOREA, THE FATHER AND
10:33:09 GRANDFATHER OF THE SAME SERVICEMEN RETURNED TO A NATION
10:33:12 THEY WERE BRUTALIZED BY POLICE IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF
10:33:17 JIM CROW LAWS AND CIVIL RIGHT PROTESTS AGAINST
10:33:17 BRUTALITY.
10:33:23 HERE WE ARE IN NEW MILLENNIUM AND NEW CENTURY TO FIGHT
10:33:25 CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.
10:33:28 I FIND THE WORDS OF THIS COUNCIL TO BE HOLLOW
10:33:32 SENTIMENTS IF YOU CAN'T NOT HAVE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO
10:33:35 AN ADMINISTRATION OF POLICE CHIEF AND MAYOR COVERING
10:33:38 FOR ABUSE AND RACISM BY OFFICERS UNDER THEIR COMMAND.
10:33:40 THIS IS NOT A TIME FOR COMPROMISE.
10:33:43 BECAUSE THIS IS A TIME OF CONFLICT.
10:33:46 FOR YOU ALL, THIS IS NOTHING BUT A BATTLE IN THE
10:33:50 COURTS, BUT FOR THOSE BRUTALIZED BY UNETHICAL AND
10:33:54 RACIST COPS, THEY FEEL A STING OF THIS BATTLE ON THE
10:33:55 STREETS AND YOUR OWN FAMILY.
10:33:59 WHEN YOU WERE VOTED INTO THE SEATS BY THE PEOPLE OF
10:34:01 TAMPA, THEY WERE EXPECTING CERTAIN RESULTS.
10:34:03 IF YOU FAILED TO DELIVER THOSE RESULTS AND FAILED TO
10:34:06 PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF CORRECT COPS, THE PEOPLE WHO
10:34:08 NEEDED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES PERSONALLY AND
10:34:11 POLITICALLY, BALLOTS WILL BE CAST, POLITICAL CAREERS
10:34:13 CHANGED FOR EVER.
10:34:15 BALLOTS MUST BE CAST BECAUSE BULLETS ARE BEING SHOT AT
10:34:21 PEOPLE, TASERS, CLUBS, CHOKEHOLDS, FALSE ARRESTS AND
10:34:26 CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS ARE TOO MANY THAT MANY TAMPAIAN
10:34:30 S FACE OF THOSE WHO SWORN TO PROTECT THEM.
10:34:33 GENTLEMEN, WILL YOU TAKE A MORAL STAND AND NOT WATER
10:34:36 DOWN THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD BY
10:34:37 THE PEOPLE.
10:34:43 IT IS HIGH TIME THE PEOPLE HAVE A MAJORITY OF VOICES ON
10:34:46 A BOARD MEANT TO HOLD THE WORST CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATORS
10:34:47 ACCOUNTABLE.
10:34:51 YOU WANT TO DO RIGHT BY THE PEOPLE YOU SAID IT IN YOUR
10:34:53 OWN SENTIMENTS AND WORDS.
10:34:55 DO NOT WATER DOWN THE CRB PROPOSAL.
10:34:58 ENSURE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WHO WAS ELECTED FOR THE
10:35:01 PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF
10:35:06 APPOINTMENTS AND THAT THE BOARD ITSELF CAN HOLD TO
10:35:08 THOSE WHO PROTECT THEM.
10:35:10 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:35:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:35:14 >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KELLY BENJAMIN.
10:35:18 KELLY, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF
10:35:20 AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:35:21 >> HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:35:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN HEAR YOU, SIR.
10:35:25 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:35:31 I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST WISH A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, A
10:35:34 WORKING BIRTHDAY, TO COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:35:37 WE ARE ONE DAY APART, SIR.
10:35:37 MINE IS TOMORROW.
10:35:43 I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE SECOND READING OF THE
10:35:47 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN A LONG
10:35:47 TIME COMING.
10:35:51 WE STARTED THIS PROCESS SIX YEARS AGO.
10:35:55 AND WE HAVE MADE QUITE A BIT OF PROGRESS IN RECENT
10:36:02 MONTHS, PARTICULARLY SINCE COUNCILMAN GUDES SUGGESTED
10:36:07 REVAMPING TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY A VOICE IN
10:36:11 THE WAY OF POLICE AND TOOL AND MECHANISM TO HAVE SOME
10:36:15 ACCOUNTABILITY IN REVIEWING CASES AND THE ABILITY TO
10:36:19 MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND -- AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE
10:36:22 A SAY IN THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE AND THE RELATIONSHIP
10:36:24 BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE
10:36:36 COMMUNITY.
10:36:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DID WE LOSE HIM?
10:36:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE IS OUT OF TOWN.
10:36:42 I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE LOST HIM.
10:36:47 MAYBE HE WILL CALL BACK IN.
10:36:57 >>CLERK: MR. BENJAMIN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
10:36:59 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS SOME PUSH BACK FROM
10:37:03 MAYOR JANE CASTOR, AND I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF ELEPHANT
10:37:07 IN THE ROOM THAT THERE IS -- THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT
10:37:12 REVIEW BOARD SET UP TO PROVIDE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND
10:37:16 SOME OVERSIGHT, BUT THE -- YOU KNOW, MAYOR CASTOR, THE
10:37:20 FORMER POLICE CHIEF, DOESN'T WANT TO ALLOW THE COUNCIL
10:37:23 TO HAVE THAT MANY APPOINTMENTS.
10:37:27 AND I THINK THAT IS A REAL ISSUE CONSIDERING THE
10:37:29 HISTORY WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT THE
10:37:33 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DOCUMENTED REGARDING A HISTORY, A
10:37:38 LONG-STANDING HISTORY OF RACIST PRACTICES THAT THEY
10:37:41 WERE DOCUMENTED, THAT THE TAMPA BAY TIMES EXPOSED AND
10:37:43 THAT WERE HAPPENING DAILY.
10:37:48 BASED ON THE COLOR OF PEOPLE'S SKIN, UNDER THE CURRENT
10:37:51 MAYOR'S WATCH AS POLICE CHIEF.
10:37:55 I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND I
10:37:56 THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE.
10:37:59 THAT SHOULD BE FOREMOST IN PEOPLE'S MINDS AS THEY MAKE
10:38:01 THIS IMPORTANT VOTE.
10:38:04 TODAY ON THE SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE.
10:38:07 IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO WITH THIS COMPROMISE,
10:38:10 WHERE THERE IS A SPLIT IN APPOINTMENTS, IT IS GOING TO
10:38:14 CONTINUE TO BE A -- A REVIEW BOARD WITH A LACK OF
10:38:15 CREDIBILITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
10:38:19 AND WE WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT WAS
10:38:25 INTENDED AND CLOSE TO WHAT OTHER ACROSS FLORIDA HAVE
10:38:29 REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE -- A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY
10:38:33 CAN, YOU KNOW, FEEL COMFORTABLE IN KNOWING THAT THEY
10:38:36 HAVE A TOOL TO USE TO REVIEW CASES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT
10:38:40 -- THE DOCUMENTS THAT -- THAT HAPPEN.
10:38:46 SO MY -- MY URGING FOR EVERYONE HERE I HAVE MY DAUGHTER
10:38:49 WITH ME -- PLEASE FOR THE SECOND READING CONTINUE TO --
10:38:52 TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE
10:38:54 YOU DID LAST MONTH.
10:39:00 THE COUNCIL DESERVES THESE APPOINTMENTS.
10:39:07 >>CLERK: OKAY, NEXT SPEAKER IS MAJ VISIGH.
10:39:09 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:39:12 AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:39:16 >> CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME?
10:39:22 >> MY NAME IS MAJ VISIGH AND WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A
10:39:25 WELL-ROUNDED PERSPECTIVE OF AN ATTORNEY AND RESIDENTS
10:39:27 OF THE CITY THE LAST 14 YEARS.
10:39:30 OVER THE LAST DECADE I HELPED PROSECUTE PEOPLE AND I
10:39:32 HAVE BEEN A VICTIM OF THE CRIME AND I APPRECIATE THE
10:39:35 IMPORTANCE OF POLICE AND THE UNIQUE CHALLENGE OF THEIR
10:39:36 JOB.
10:39:40 HOWEVER, I ALSO HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC OFFENDER AND I HAVE
10:39:47 BEEN UNLAWFULLY ARRESTED AND PAID A HANDSOME SETTLEMENT
10:39:49 BY THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
10:39:54 AS I HAVE BEEN THREATENED BY COPS AND REPRESENT MY
10:39:58 WORDS IN POLICE REPORTS, I HAVE SEEN COUNTLESS EXAMPLES
10:40:05 OF MISCONDUCT, AND A COP MISUSED HIS POSITION TO LIE
10:40:09 ABOUT MY CONDUCT AND HAVE ME SUSPENDED AS REVENGE FOR
10:40:12 ME CALLING HIM FOUGHT FOR HIS MISCONDUCT.
10:40:16 THE MISCONDUCT WHERE HE PUBLICLY SAID OUT LOUD AND
10:40:20 BRAGGED ABOUT ARRESTING PEOPLE HAVING BAD ATTITUDES
10:40:23 WHILE USING ABUSIVE RACIST LANGUAGE.
10:40:27 HE IS ON A BRADY LIST, A LIST OF OFFICERS AND WITNESSES
10:40:30 THAT ARE SO BAD THAT THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS TO
10:40:33 DISCLOSE THEIR RECORD FOR LYING AND MISCONDUCT.
10:40:35 WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR ONE REASON ARGUING ABOUT THE
10:40:37 NUANCES OF THE CRB.
10:40:40 MAYOR JANE CASTOR RESENTS THIS CITY COUNCIL, RESENTS
10:40:44 THE CITY OF TAMPA AND VALUES LOYALTY OVER TRUTH.
10:40:47 OFFICER CASTOR IS INCLUDING HOW AND FIGHTING TO THE
10:40:50 DEATH TO MAKE SURE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE GETS THE MAJORITY
10:40:52 OF THE APPOINTMENTS ON THE CRB.
10:40:57 MAYOR CASTOR SAID PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR CITY COUNCIL ARE
10:41:02 SO AGAINST COPS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE UNJUST MEMBERS.
10:41:05 AND SHE WANTS TO BALANCE IT OUT, OF COURSE, WITH PEOPLE
10:41:07 EQUALLY BIASED.
10:41:11 LOOK, IN -- MANY IN SOME OTHER HYPOTHETICAL DISCUSSION
10:41:16 AND BENEVOLENT UNBIASED MAYOR THAT WE CAN ALL
10:41:21 INHERENTLY ENTRUST AT THE CRB, GOOD LORD, FOLKS.
10:41:22 COMMON SENSE.
10:41:25 EVEN PROSECUTORS WILL AGREE A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER
10:41:29 SHOULDN'T BE TRUSTED AS A MEMBER OF A CRIMINAL COURT
10:41:32 SQUARE WITHOUT TAINTING THE BALANCE OF JUSTICE.
10:41:35 I REALIZE THIS ISSUE EMOTIONAL FOR FOLKS BECAUSE SO
10:41:40 MANY OF US THAT ARE WRONGED BY POLICE JUSTIFIABLY
10:41:43 MOTIONAL AND OFFICERS IN ATTENDANCE GET EMOTIONAL.
10:41:47 PEOPLE GET EMOTIONAL WHEN SOMEONE ACCUSES THEM OF
10:41:49 GETTING THEIR JOBS RUN.
10:41:52 SET THAT ASIDE AND COMMON SENSE TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE
10:41:54 OF IMPROPRIETY.
10:41:57 THE OFFICERS OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE NOT
10:42:00 SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER HARD-WORKING CITIZENS OF THE
10:42:00 CITIZEN.
10:42:10 IMAGINE THIS HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, OUR RETIRED POLICE
10:42:10 CHIEF.
10:42:14 AND IF THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS ASSEMBLING THE --
10:42:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:42:27 >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE WILLIAM KILGORE.
10:42:30 WILLIAM, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
10:42:35 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:42:37 >> HI, THERE, COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:42:41 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ST. PETE COP WATCH TO VOICE MY
10:42:44 STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TAMPA
10:42:45 CRB.
10:42:47 I HAVE A LOT OF PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF
10:42:47 TAMPA.
10:42:49 I CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY VERY MUCH AS SOMEBODY WHO
10:42:53 IS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN THE BAY AREA.
10:42:56 I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE ACTIVITIES OF THE
10:43:01 TAXPAYER -- TAXPAYER-FUNDED PARAMILITARY FORCE
10:43:03 OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:43:06 AND THE SHAMEFUL LACK OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND
10:43:08 INPUT INTO THEIR ACTIVITIES.
10:43:11 LAST YEAR, AFTER THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, DURING A
10:43:14 PROTEST, MY FRIENDS AND I WERE SHOT AT WITH LESS THAN
10:43:20 LETHAL PROJECTILES BY TPD OFFICERS WHO WERE GEARED UP
10:43:22 TO FACE FOR PEACEFUL PROTESTERS AS IF THEY WERE READY
10:43:23 FOR WAR.
10:43:26 A PEACEFUL COLUMBUS DAY PROTEST BACK IN OCTOBER
10:43:31 ORGANIZED BY INDIGENOUS ACTIVISTS, MEMBERS OF THE BIKE
10:43:34 SQUAD RUSHED THE CROWD TO FOR A LINE BETWEEN
10:43:38 DEMONSTRATORS AND THE COLUMBUS MONUMENT ON BAYSHORE.
10:43:42 I WAS THERE IN MY CAPACITY AS A BIKE AND THE BIKE SQUAD
10:43:46 WERE NOT WEARING NAMEPLATES AND REFUSING TO VERBALLY
10:43:49 IDENTIFY SELVES.
10:43:51 I FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAT RESULTED
10:43:54 IN A SMALL SLAP ON THE WRIST, A LETTER OF COUNSELING
10:43:59 FOR THE BIKE SQUAD CORPORAL STRICTLAND WHO TOLD HIS
10:44:03 SUBORDER NANCE TO -- SUBORDINATES TO REMOVE THEIR
10:44:04 NAMEPLATES.
10:44:07 THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD REPORT REGARDING THE
10:44:14 INCIDENT, SERGEANT HORBATH OPENLY DISPARAGED MY GOOD
10:44:17 FAITH COMPLAINT SAYING I WAS JUST SHOWING WHAT I WANTED
10:44:19 TO SHOW THROUGH THE VIDEO CLIPS AND STILL IMAGES I
10:44:20 PROVIDED.
10:44:23 HE REPEATED THROUGHOUT THE REPORT THE BASELESS CLAIM
10:44:27 THAT PROTESTERS WERE POTENTIALLY GATHERING OFFICER
10:44:29 NAMES IN ORDER TO THREATEN THEIR FAMILIES USING THIS AS
10:44:35 AN EXCUSE FOR HIS COLLEAGUES' EXTREMELY TROUBLING
10:44:36 ACTIONS.
10:44:40 MY POINT IS THE TPD PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS BUREAU AND
10:44:43 COMPLAINT PROCESS AS A WHOLE IS HEAVILY BIASED AND
10:44:46 SLANTED IN FAVOR OF DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL.
10:44:53 THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO MEANINGFUL REVIEW OF A
10:44:57 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD THAT CAN PUBLICIZE AND OUTSIDE THE
10:45:00 PURR SUNROOF THE THIN BLUE LINE AND NOT FRINGE
10:45:03 ACTIVISTS ASKING FOR THIS AS I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE
10:45:07 POLLING BY THE ACLU OF FLORIDA SAY YESTERDAY TAMPA
10:45:11 VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO
10:45:12 THE CRB.
10:45:13 YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY.
10:45:16 REMEMBER WHO YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE.
10:45:19 REMEMBER WHO VOTED YOU IN OFFICE, THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA,
10:45:21 NOT THE TAMPA PD.
10:45:23 NOT CHIEF DUGAN.
10:45:27 NOT FORMER CHIEF JANE CASTOR.
10:45:29 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:45:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:45:37 >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER SHIVAN SHUKLA.
10:45:39 SHIVAN IS ON THE LINE.
10:45:40 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:45:44 >> HELLO, SHIVAN SHUKLA, AND I WILL GET STRAIGHT TO THE
10:45:45 POINT.
10:45:47 YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION WITH HISTORY AND RECORD LIKE
10:45:51 TPD, SOMETHING IS WRONG AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.
10:45:54 IN 2015 TO THE INCREASED USE OF FORCE UNDER CHIEF DUGAN
10:45:59 HOW TPD CONSISTENTLY LIES TO THE PUBLIC, THE BOTTOM
10:46:01 LINE IS THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY AND NO
10:46:02 RESPONSIBILITY.
10:46:04 TPD SHOULD BE ANSWERING TO THE PUBLIC, NOT TO
10:46:05 THEMSELVES.
10:46:08 THERE IS A LOT TO BE DONE, BUT THESE REFORMS FOR THE
10:46:10 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS A GREAT PLACE TO START.
10:46:13 LET'S BE CLEAR, YOU CAN NOT EXPECT THE OUT-OF-CONTROL
10:46:19 FORCE TO MONITOR, CONTROL AND DISCIPLINE ITSELF.
10:46:21 THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD BUREAU IS A JOKE.
10:46:25 YOU KNOW HOW MANY USE OF FORCE COMPLAINTS THAT TPD
10:46:26 HAVE?
10:46:30 YOU KNOW HOW MANY OFFICERS HAVE MULTIPLE ALLEGATIONS
10:46:31 AGAINST THEM?
10:46:33 WE DON'T BECAUSE NO OVERSIGHT AND THE ENTIRE POLICE
10:46:36 DEPARTMENT IS SHIELDED ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND
10:46:37 INSIGHT.
10:46:39 THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE AND YOU ALL HAVE THAT POWER.
10:46:44 THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, YOU
10:46:46 CAN CHANGE THAT BY PASSING THIS BILL.
10:46:48 LET'S TALK OF THE CRB.
10:46:55 THE CRB ISN'T INVESTIGATE THE POLICE UNLESS IT POLICE
10:46:56 DEPARTMENT OPENS UP.
10:46:59 THEY CAN'T SUBPOENA OFFICERS TO TESTIFY AND CAN'T EVEN
10:47:01 DISCIPLINE OFFICERS AND CAN'T IMPLEMENT BASIC POLICY
10:47:02 CHANGES.
10:47:04 BUT THIS WAS ALL BY DESIGN, RIGHT.
10:47:07 THE POLICE ARE SO SCARED OF ANY SORT OF SCRUTINY THEY
10:47:10 WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL OVER THE SMALLEST OF REFORMS.
10:47:13 AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS, A SMALL REFORM.
10:47:15 EVERY DAY THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED
10:47:18 IN THE OPPRESSION OF BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES IN
10:47:18 TAMPA.
10:47:22 A SIMPLE ACTION WE CAN TAKE TO MAKE TPD SLIGHTLY BETTER
10:47:26 AND MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE IT SERVES.
10:47:28 THE MAJORITY OF TAMPA CITIZENS SUPPORT THIS
10:47:29 LEGISLATION.
10:47:32 YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO VOTED YOU INTO OFFICE LITERALLY
10:47:34 WANT TO YOU PASS THIS.
10:47:36 THE ONLY PEOPLE AGAINST THIS ARE THE COPS.
10:47:39 LET ME BE AS CLEAR AS I CAN, BLUE LIVES DON'T EXIST.
10:47:42 NOT A BLUE FIGHT, A BLUE UNIFORM.
10:47:43 BEING A COP IS A JOB.
10:47:45 AND JOBS HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:47:47 SO LET'S ALL COME BACK TO REALITY AND MAKE SOME
10:47:48 CHANGES.
10:47:51 THESE COPS WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO ON THE STREETS AND DO
10:47:52 WHATEVER THEY WANT.
10:47:55 BEAT PEOPLE, SHOOT PEOPLE, ATTACK PROTESTERS.
10:47:58 AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND
10:48:01 REVAMPING THE CRB AND SOME ACCOUNTABILITY IS A GREAT
10:48:03 PLACE TO START.
10:48:03 THANK YOU.
10:48:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:48:12 >>CLERK: AIR IS ANGEL DEANGELO AND TIMOTHY WERE
10:48:14 REGISTERED SPEAKER AND LOGGED OFF.
10:48:18 THAT CONCLUDES REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR ITEM 64.
10:48:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:48:40 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
10:48:41 >> AM I GOOD TO GO.
10:48:42 >> YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.
10:48:43 >> THANK YOU.
10:48:45 HOW IS IT GOING EVERYBODY.
10:48:47 ARTURO GONZALEZ.
10:48:50 I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS
10:48:51 OF TAMPA BAY.
10:48:52 I AM REPRESENTING THEM TODAY.
10:48:53 IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.
10:48:54 I HAVEN'T SEEN Y'ALL.
10:48:57 I MISS Y'ALL TOO, IT IS ALL GOOD.
10:48:58 SO, YEAH.
10:49:05 I HAVE SOME NOTES HERE IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A MOMENT.
10:49:10 YEAH, SO -- YOU LIKE -- PEOPLE -- PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT,
10:49:12 PEOPLE IN THE CENTER, THEY CALL ME A COP HATING
10:49:13 ANARCHIST.
10:49:17 PEOPLE ON THE LEFT NEOFASCIST APOLOGIST.
10:49:20 I AM PROUD TO SAY I AM NEITHER.
10:49:23 I AM A DEMOCRAT AND I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND
10:49:26 THE CRB THAT SHOULD BE RUN DEMOCRATICALLY.
10:49:28 I AM NOT HERE FOR POLITICAL THEATRE.
10:49:32 I KNOW HOW THE MAKE-UP OF THIS CRB IS GOING TO BE.
10:49:34 FIVE VOTES TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
10:49:38 FIVE VOTES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN ONE VOTE MIGHT
10:49:41 GO TO A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION, POSSIBLY THE
10:49:45 NAACP.
10:49:47 UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS STILL A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
10:49:48 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:49:54 I DON'T MEAN TO IMPLY IMPROPRIETY.
10:49:56 COUNCILMAN GUDES USED TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.
10:49:58 THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
10:50:01 THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IF THEY VOTE A CERTAIN WAY, YOU WILL
10:50:04 PROBABLY BE INCLINED TO VOTE THAT WAY.
10:50:06 COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FRIENDS.
10:50:07 WE HAVE A RAPPORT.
10:50:12 BUT YOU SHOW UNWAVERING SUPPORT TO THE POLICE
10:50:16 DEPARTMENT AND I BELIEVE NO INSTITUTION SHOULD DESERVE
10:50:18 UNWAVERING SUPPORT.
10:50:21 INSTITUTIONS THAT WE PAY FOR WITH OUR TAX MONEY NEED TO
10:50:24 BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY DO WRONG.
10:50:27 THE POINT OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.
10:50:30 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I THINK YOU WERE CALL TAKING
10:50:33 MONEY FROM THE PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND HAD TO
10:50:34 GIVE IT BACK.
10:50:36 THESE ARE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.
10:50:41 THE TIEBREAKER VOTE FOR THE NAACP IS NOMINAL, SYMBOLIC.
10:50:45 IT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH.
10:50:50 WE NEED SUBPOENA POWERS, LITIGATION POWERS THAT ARE
10:50:53 ABLE TO HOLD OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:50:58 I AM NOT SAYING THIS AS AN RACIST COP HATER BUT AS
10:51:01 SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN DEMOCRACY.
10:51:03 I WANT A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT LIVES TO THE MAN
10:51:04 PRACTICE PROTECT AND SERVE.
10:51:05 WE NEED THAT.
10:51:07 WE NEED POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT ACTUALLY WORK WITH OUR
10:51:07 COMMUNITIES.
10:51:11 BUT AS WE SEEN LAST YEAR AT THE PROTESTS, BLACK PEOPLE,
10:51:15 ESPECIALLY BLACK PEOPLE, BROWN PEOPLE, LATINO PEOPLE,
10:51:18 INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE STILL SUFFERING FROM
10:51:21 DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES FROM POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
10:51:24 UNTIL THAT CHANGES, UNTIL THE INSTITUTION OF POLICE
10:51:27 SOMETHING HELD ACCOUNTABLE, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.
10:51:31 SO WE NEED A CRB WITH TEETH, WITH POWER THAT ACTUALLY
10:51:35 HOLDS THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACCOUNTABLE AND THAT DOES
10:51:37 THEIR JOB.
10:51:38 WHAT ELSE DO I GOT?
10:51:42 YEAH, AND THE MAYOR GETTING FIVE NOMINEES IS JUST
10:51:43 RIDICULOUS.
10:51:44 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
10:51:47 WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE EVEN SPREAD.
10:51:50 AND, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I GOT.
10:51:50 THANK YOU.
10:51:52 YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:51:53 I AM GOING TO CLASS.
10:51:57 GETTING STRAIGHT AS IS HARD WORK.
10:51:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SIR, SIR.
10:52:01 I NEEDED TO CLARIFY.
10:52:03 HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION.
10:52:11 THANK YOU.
10:52:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MA'AM.
10:52:15 GOOD MORNING.
10:52:16 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:52:18 MY NAME IS TIFFANY HILTON.
10:52:20 I AM BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA.
10:52:23 THE FIRST TIME I CAME HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS WITH
10:52:26 THE CRB, I WAS A FIRST YEAR IN LAW SCHOOL.
10:52:30 NOW I AM GOING INTO ANY THIRD YEAR, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN
10:52:33 MAKE ONE LITTLE CHANGE AT LEAST BEFORE I RETIRE FROM
10:52:35 THE PRACTICE OF LAW.
10:52:37 MY FRIENDS AND I HAVE COME BEFORE YOU FOR QUITE SOME
10:52:42 TIME NOW TO EXPLAIN WHY WE NEED A STRENGTHENED CITIZEN
10:52:44 REVIEW BOARD AND HOW WE CAN DO THAT.
10:52:45 TODAY I BRING A DIFFERENT MESSAGE TO YOU.
10:52:47 I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT WE VOTED FOR YOU.
10:52:49 AND WE TRUST YOU.
10:52:53 LAST MONTH, YOU ALL VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY TO CHANGE THE
10:52:56 NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS THAT THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL
10:52:57 GETS TO MAKE.
10:52:59 NOW THIS VOTE DIDN'T REPRESENT THE SWEEPING CHANGES IN
10:53:03 REFORMS WE ALL HOPE TO EVENTUALLY ACHIEVE BUT IT IS A
10:53:04 STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
10:53:08 THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS.
10:53:11 A PUBLIC POLICY POLLING SURVEY SHOW THAT 85% OF
10:53:14 INDEPENDENT VOTERS DON'T SUPPORT A SINGLE PERSON
10:53:18 APPOINTING THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.
10:53:23 78% OF DEMOCRATS AND 64% OF REPUBLICANS ALSO AGREE.
10:53:26 THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING SEVEN APPOINTMENTS AND THE
10:53:29 MAYOR HAVING FOUR STILL ISN'T FAIR AND BALANCED BECAUSE
10:53:33 THE MAYOR IS ONE PERSON, SO WHY SHOULD SHE GET FOUR IF
10:53:35 EACH OF YOU ONLY GET ONE.
10:53:38 BUT A STEP TOWARD SHOWING YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU
10:53:41 WON'T ALLOW THE POLICE TO RUN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:53:42 AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
10:53:45 THAT BEING SAID, I WAS VERY DISCOURAGED BY YOUR MEETING
10:53:46 THIS PAST MONDAY.
10:53:48 I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME THINGS THAT I HEARD.
10:53:52 FIRST, THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON, FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT
10:53:55 SUBPOENA POWER WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING.
10:53:58 YET IT BECAME THE HEADLINE EVERY LOCAL NEWS STATION RAN
10:54:02 WITH DUE TO THE MAYOR'S PRESS CONFERENCE.
10:54:06 AS A COUNCIL, YOU HAD TO HAVE SEEN THAT PRESS
10:54:09 CONFERENCE AS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE TAMPA
10:54:09 COMMUNITY.
10:54:14 IT WAS DISINGENUOUS AND PERFECTLY ILLUSTRATED WHY WE
10:54:15 DON'T TRUST THE MAYOR.
10:54:18 I WANT TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS ONE THING ABOUT SUBPOENA
10:54:19 POWER TODAY THOUGH.
10:54:22 THE ISSUE OF HOW WILL A PRIVATE CITIZEN AVOID A
10:54:26 SUBPOENA CAME UP ON MONDAY.
10:54:31 WHY ARE WE CAN ACTING LIKE RECEIVING A SUBPOENA IS SI
10:54:33 WOMAN NEWS OF BEING EXECUTED.
10:54:36 IF SOMEONE COMES RIGHT UP AND PUNCHES ME IN THE FACE,
10:54:39 YOU WILL ALL BE SUBPOENAED FOR BEING WITNESSES TO THIS.
10:54:40 YOU SHOW UP.
10:54:41 SAY WHAT HAPPENED.
10:54:43 AND MAYBE BRING SOME DOCUMENTS.
10:54:46 THIS NARRATIVE THAT A SUBPOENA IS WORSE THAN DEATH IS
10:54:48 RIDICULOUS AND NEEDS TO STOP.
10:54:51 CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES MADE THE STATEMENT HE DOESN'T
10:54:56 LIKE THE TERM "INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY"BECAUSE ALL
10:54:58 ATTORNEYS ARE INDEPENDENT UNDER THE RULES OF
10:55:01 PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT.
10:55:03 SHE DIDN'T MENTION THAT ATTORNEYS FIRST AND FOREMOST
10:55:05 HAVE A DUTY TO THEIR CLIENTS.
10:55:09 THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN'T SAY NEGATIVE THINGS OF THE CITY
10:55:13 BECAUSE VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT.
10:55:19 TO SAY OTHERWISE IS AN ATTEMPT TO PURPOSELY MISLEAD OUR
10:55:21 CITIZENS WHICH LUCKY FOR THEM NEVER BEEN TO LAW SCHOOL.
10:55:24 MR. VIERA YOU MENTIONED A LEGAL FIGHT OVER THIS
10:55:24 ORDINANCE.
10:55:28 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, OF COURSE THERE IS, OUR MAYOR IS
10:55:32 THE FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE, SHE IS THE EMBODIMENT OF
10:55:33 THE THIN BLUE LINE.
10:55:36 WE VOTED FOR YOU TO FIGHT OUR POLITICAL BATTLES NOT TO
10:55:37 RUN FROM THEM.
10:55:41 THERE IS NO POLICE OVERSIGHT MEASURES THAT ARE NOT
10:55:45 GOING TO BE MET WITH ADVERSITY BY THE FORMER CHIEF OF
10:55:45 POLICE.
10:55:48 MR. GUDES, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS
10:55:51 AND DO WE REALLY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS?
10:55:55 I'M HERE AS YOUR CONSTITUENT BEGGING TO YOU DO SO.
10:55:59 I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN AND EFFORT ABOUT THE HOUSING
10:56:02 CRISIS, BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING ON THE STREETS ON THE HAND
10:56:06 OF THE SWORN OFFICERS AND WE GOT TO STOP THAT.
10:56:09 MAYOR BUCKHORN'S RACIST --
10:56:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MA'AM, MA'AM.
10:56:12 YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
10:56:25 THANK YOU.
10:56:30 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY DOWN THERE TELLING THEM WHEN THEIR
10:56:32 TIME IS UP.
10:56:34 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:56:37 I AM JENNIFER HART A PROUD PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER HERE
10:56:39 IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND CURRENTLY THE VICE PRESIDENT
10:56:42 OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS OF TAMPA BAY.
10:56:44 I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY IN SUPPORT OF A
10:56:46 STRONG CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IN TAMPA.
10:56:50 I AM A PUBLIC SERVANT WITH A IMPORTANT JOB AND I AM
10:56:53 HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY STUDENTS' LEARNING OUTCOME.
10:56:55 EXPECTED TO SHOW WITH VARIOUS ASSESSMENTS THAT MY
10:57:00 STUDENTS MADE GAINS AND MET LEARNING BENCHMARK AND THE
10:57:02 EXPECTATION OF MY PROFESSION.
10:57:06 I WORK FOR THE PUBLIC AND THEY TOLD ME -- HOLD ME
10:57:06 RESPONSIBILITY.
10:57:10 IT IS AN INCREDIBLE IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY, LIVES ARE
10:57:13 NOT ON THE LINES AS IT IS WITH BEING A POLICE OFFICER.
10:57:15 IT IS A FAIR EXPECTATION WHEN YOU BECOME A PUBLIC
10:57:19 SERVANT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
10:57:22 PUBLIC THAT YOU SERVE AND THAT IS A FUNCTION OF AT
10:57:23 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.
10:57:25 WHEN LIVES AND JUSTICE ARE ON THE LINE, IT IS
10:57:27 REASONABLE TO BE EXPECTED TO BE HELD TO THE HIGHEST
10:57:32 STANDARDS; HOWEVER, THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD OR PEOPLE
10:57:35 APPOINTED TO THIS ARE APPOINTED BY ONE ENTITY THE MAYOR
10:57:38 IS NOT A REVIEW BOARD REFLECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:57:41 I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO STAND UP FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
10:57:43 THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS A COMPROMISE FOR THE
10:57:46 COMMUNITY AS IT DID NOT INCLUDE SUBPOENA POWERS AND
10:57:50 INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY THAT OTHER RIGHTS THAT CRBS HAVE
10:57:53 AND REVISED OUR CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD SO THAT YOU ALL
10:57:58 AND THE NAACP HAD THE MAJORITY OF APPOINTMENTS INSTEAD
10:58:00 OF MAYOR THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE.
10:58:04 CRB IS A CHECKS AND BALANCES SYSTEM AND ALL IMPORTANT
10:58:06 OFFICERS AND SERVANTS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE
10:58:07 PUBLIC THEY REPRESENT.
10:58:09 THAT IS HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS.
10:58:13 NOW THIS ORDINANCE TO IMPROVE OUR CRB TO MAKE IT TRULY
10:58:15 REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PUBLIC AND NOT JUST THE MAYOR'S
10:58:19 OFFICE HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED AND COMPROMISED AT THE
10:58:23 MAYOR HAVING MAJORITY OF APPOINTMENTS SO REALLY WHAT IS
10:58:23 THE POINT.
10:58:26 I AM ASKING TO YOU MAKE A STAND AND AGAIN PASS BECAUSE
10:58:29 YOU ALREADY PASS THIS ONCE, TO PASS THE ORIGINAL
10:58:32 ORDINANCE OF MOVING TOWARD A REAL CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD
10:58:36 IN TAMPA THAT THE ACLU RECOMMENDS.
10:58:40 WE CAN NOT COMPROMISE ON DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE.
10:58:42 THANK YOU.
10:59:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME, MA'AM.
10:59:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GO AHEAD, YVETTE.
10:59:10 >> YVETTE LEWIS, PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP, HILLSBOROUGH
10:59:14 COUNTY BRANCH, THE OLDEST AND THE BADDEST CIVIL RIGHTS
10:59:16 ORGANIZATION IN THE AMERICA.
10:59:18 THE NAACP.
10:59:22 THE MISSION FOR THE NAACP IS TO ENSURE THE POLITICAL,
10:59:27 EDUCATIONAL, SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, EQUALITY FOR ALL
10:59:27 CITIZENS.
10:59:33 ACHIEVE EQUALITY OF RIGHTS, ELIMINATE RACE, PREJUDICE
10:59:36 AMONG THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.
10:59:40 REMOVE ALL BARRIERS OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION THROUGH
10:59:42 DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
10:59:48 SEEK ENACTMENT OF ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL, STATE AND
10:59:53 LOCAL LAWS ENSURING CIVIL RIGHTS.
10:59:56 INFORM THE PUBLIC OF ADVERSE EFFECTS OF RACIAL
11:00:01 DISCRIMINATION AND TO SEEK ITS ELIMINATION.
11:00:07 THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH ESTABLISHED WELL
11:00:11 OVER 100 YEARS HERE.
11:00:14 I'M HERE TO ASK YOU THAT THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
11:00:17 BRANCH HAVE A SEAT ON THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.
11:00:22 THE NAACP FLORIDA STATE CONFERENCE AND THE NATIONAL
11:00:27 NAACP IS CURRENTLY WATCHING THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:00:35 WE DID NOT ASK FOR -- WE DID NOT ASK FOR -- WHILE
11:00:36 BLACK.
11:00:38 IT DID NOT START WITH US.
11:00:41 AT THIS COUNCIL AS STATED IN OUR MISSION, WE WILL
11:00:45 CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE, AGITATE, AND EDUCATE THE
11:00:47 COMMUNITY.
11:00:56 ONE THING I ALWAYS SAY, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL.
11:01:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:01:14 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:01:20 CONNIE BURTON, CITIZEN.
11:01:25 I RISE TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS GENERATION IS COMMITTED
11:01:31 TO ENDING AND KILLING EVERY FORM OF JIM CROW THAT WE
11:01:34 SEE MOVING AROUND.
11:01:41 THAT WOULD INCLUDE ANY TIME OF ATTITUDE OF PERSONS IN
11:01:45 POWER THAT THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THE
11:01:50 OPPRESSED HOW TO SPEAK REGARDING THEIR OPPRESSION.
11:01:56 I WILL CAUTION COUNCILMEN TO ONLY CHEER OR CELEBRATE IF
11:02:00 YOU WERE FORTUNATE IN WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION.
11:02:04 THE CRB BOARD AND THE GROUP THAT HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY
11:02:11 TO BRING SOME BALANCE IN THIS CITY IS, AGAIN, WATCHING
11:02:15 CITY LEADERS CHANGE THE GAME.
11:02:20 WE SAY BE COMMITTED TO TRUST AND WE FIND OUT TIME AND
11:02:23 TIME AGAIN THAT WE CAN NOT TRUST YOU.
11:02:30 SO A 7-4 SPLIT WITH EACH OF YOU BRINGING SOMEONE FORTH
11:02:33 THAT CAN REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF A CITIZEN THAT COULD
11:02:37 LISTEN TO STORIES.
11:02:40 THAT COULD LISTEN TO COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS THAT
11:02:44 ORDINARY CITIZENS BRING ABOUT, YOU RUN FROM THAT
11:02:45 POSITION.
11:02:49 NOW IN THE HANDS OF GIVING GREATER POWER TO THE MAYOR
11:02:54 WHO IS THE POLICE, YOU CAN CONCEDE YOUR POWER.
11:02:57 BUT FURTHER CONCEDE YOUR POWER BY SAYING THAT THE
11:03:03 OLDEST, SOMETIMES FEARED, SOMETIMES HATED ORGANIZATION
11:03:08 THAT HAS OVER 100 YEARS OF BEING THE VERY FIRST
11:03:13 RESPONDERS TO THE OPPRESSED DO NOT DESERVE A SEAT ON
11:03:14 THAT BOARD.
11:03:17 WHAT DO THAT TELL US ABOUT YOU?
11:03:21 WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT THIS MAYOR AND THIS CITY
11:03:26 THAT CONTINUES TO PROCLAIM TO BE PROGRESSIVE, BUT BY NO
11:03:30 MEANS IS.
11:03:33 WE ARE SEEING THAT ALTHOUGH THE CRB BOARD WAS NOT
11:03:37 PERFECT, BUT WE WAS WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD.
11:03:43 WE ARE NOW DEMANDING THAT THE FIRST READ IS
11:03:43 IMPLEMENTED.
11:03:49 AND IF YOU HAVE COURAGE AND SAY THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY
11:03:52 THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL CRYING OUT AGAINST POLICE ABUSE,
11:03:57 YOU WOULD SAY IF WOULD YOU USE YOUR POWER TO ENSURE THE
11:04:00 CITIZENS WERE GETTING THEIR GREATEST PROTECTION.
11:04:23 TO DO OTHERWISE MIGHT MEAN YOUR POLITICAL DEMISE.
11:04:25 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:04:28 JARVIS EL-AMIN.
11:04:32 I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THE CITY COUNCILMEN, I WANT TO
11:04:35 YOU THINK BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN EVERYBODY WAS
11:04:35 RUNNING.
11:04:39 ALL OF THE GOOD PLEASANTRIES THAT YOU ALL SAID.
11:04:42 NOW YOU GOT TO PUT THAT INTO ACTION.
11:04:45 REALLY IT IS A SHAME FOR GOD THAT YOU HAVE A FORMER
11:04:50 POLICE CHIEF AS THE MAYOR THAT THINK IT IS ALL RIGHT TO
11:04:55 HAVE FIVE MEMBERS ON A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD --
11:04:58 OPERATIVE WORD BEING "CITIZEN" TO DEAL WITH POLICE
11:04:59 ACCOUNTABILITY.
11:05:06 THIS IS THE SAME MAYOR THAT WAS THE POLICE CHIEF WHEN
11:05:12 THE -- NOW GIVE THIS FORMER POLICE CHIEF FIVE
11:05:16 APPOINTMENTS FOR A BOARD THAT WILL DO OVERSIGHT FOR
11:05:18 POLICE MISCONDUCT AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.
11:05:20 THINK ABOUT THAT NOW.
11:05:22 THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.
11:05:24 IT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL.
11:05:28 NUMBER ONE, THE BOARD AIN'T GOING TO HAVE REAL POWER
11:05:30 LIKE THE LADY SAID BEFORE ME.
11:05:33 THE WORD SUBPOENA.
11:05:37 SUBPOENA INTO A JUDICIAL PROCESS AND HOLD POLICE
11:05:43 ACCOUNTABLE FOR BRUTALITY AND MISCONDUCT.
11:05:46 THE WATER DOWN BOARD, GIVE A FORMER POLICE CHIEF WHO IS
11:05:58 THE MAYOR NOW, FIVE APPOINTEES AND CITY COUNCIL GET THE
11:06:00 OLDEST, CIVIL RIGHTS.
11:06:04 AND EVERYBODY WHO IS BLACK, YOU BETTER WITH THE NAACP.
11:06:08 IN THE 1800S WHEN YOU WERE GETTING LYNCHED.
11:06:11 WHITE PEOPLE WERE LYNCHING PEOPLE AND SHOWING THEIR
11:06:16 CHILDREN ALL -- AND GOING TO HAVE PICNICS WATCHING
11:06:17 BLACK PEOPLE BEING LYNCHED.
11:06:23 IT WAS THE NAACP THAT STOOD STRONG FOR OUR PEOPLE.
11:06:27 AND IT IS A NAACP RALLY RIGHT HERE.
11:06:29 WE SUPPORT THE NAACP.
11:06:30 WE SUPPORT PRESIDENT LEWIS.
11:06:32 WE SUPPORT SISTER CONNIE BURTON.
11:06:38 ALL MEMBERS OF THE NAACP MUST DEMAND TO BE ON THE TABLE
11:06:42 AND A SHAME THAT YOU EVEN THINKING ABOUT TAKING US OFF
11:06:43 THE TABLE.
11:06:45 DON'T USE TRICKERY WE WANT A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION
11:06:49 AND KEEP IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
11:06:53 NO, IT WAS TAMPA JUSTICE LED BY THE NAACP THAT WAS
11:06:59 ADDRESSING THE POLICE THAT LED US TO THE CRB BOARD
11:07:04 RIGHT NOW.
11:07:08 LOOKING IN THE PUBLIC.
11:07:11 WHEN THEY COME UP TO YOUR CHURCH AND SOME PEOPLE
11:07:14 ALREADY KNOW -- SIGN UP FOR REELECTION.
11:07:19 REMEMBER THIS DAY BECAUSE VOTING HAS CONSEQUENCES AND
11:07:22 WE SHOULD REMEMBER YOU AND REMEMBER THAT THE MAYOR GOT
11:07:23 TO RUN.
11:07:27 THE CITY COUNCIL GOT TO RUN.
11:07:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR COMING.
11:07:32 >> LISTEN WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU.
11:07:41 MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
11:07:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE,
11:07:48 SIR?
11:07:48 >> MENTESNOT.
11:07:50 CHECK THIS OUT.
11:07:53 FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS,
11:07:57 THEY ALWAYS PLAY AFRICAN PEOPLE LIKE WE ARE IGNORANT.
11:08:00 THEY SEE THE BLACK SKIN, THEY KNOW THEY CAN TREAT YOU A
11:08:01 CERTAIN WAY.
11:08:05 THEY HEAR YOUR BLACK VOICE.
11:08:11 EBONICALLY SPEAKING AND CORRECT OR INCORRECT, THEY KNOW
11:08:13 THAT IT IS A BLACK VOICE AND THEY CAN TREAT YOU A
11:08:14 CERTAIN WAY.
11:08:16 THIS CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO STAND UP.
11:08:18 THEY ALWAYS TELL TO YOU ADDRESS THE BOARD AND THEY
11:08:20 CAN'T SPEAK BACK AND ALL THIS AND REPRESENT ONE
11:08:21 ANOTHER.
11:08:24 WHEN I FIRST CAME UP TO SPEAK, TALKING BACK LIKE LITTLE
11:08:27 CHILDREN, OH YOU THIS AND THIS.
11:08:29 QUITE NATURALLY THEY NEED TO PROTECT.
11:08:32 ONE SAYING ABOUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER PEOPLE CALLING
11:08:36 PEOPLE THUGS BECAUSE WE ARE STANDING UP FOR OUR RIGHTS.
11:08:37 THEY GOT TO PROTECT ONE ANOTHER.
11:08:39 THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
11:08:43 BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY PLAY AFRICAN PEOPLE
11:08:44 LIKE WE ARE IGNORANT.
11:08:46 BEFORE WHEN THE POLICE USED TO BEAT YOU AND BEAT WITH
11:08:50 YOU FLASHLIGHTS AND HANDCUFF YOU AND KICK YOU AND
11:08:52 HOG-TIE YOU AND MURDER YOU.
11:08:55 WHAT DID WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAD TO GO DOWN TO THE
11:08:55 INTERNAL REVIEW.
11:08:59 WE HAD TO GO DOWN TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND COMPLAIN TO
11:09:02 THE CAME WHITE PEOPLE THAT WERE BRUTALIZING YOU.
11:09:05 AND THEY TELL YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE CASE AFTER YOU
11:09:06 FILE COMPLAINT.
11:09:08 SO THEY PUT A GAG ORDER ON YOU.
11:09:12 NOW THEY ARE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT NO SUBPOENA POWER.
11:09:14 YOU ARE TRYING TO PLAY US BLACK PEOPLE THAT WE ARE
11:09:16 STUPID.
11:09:17 WE ARE NOT STUPID.
11:09:20 62 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN SURVIVING THIS.
11:09:21 WE ARE NOT STUPID.
11:09:22 WE ARE SURVIVORS.
11:09:25 THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS GET A
11:09:27 MILLION DOLLAR POLICY FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS BEEN
11:09:29 MURDERED BY THE POLICE.
11:09:34 AND ALSO MAKE RETROACTIVE.
11:09:36 WATCH HOW FAST THOSE KILLERS.
11:09:38 HALF MILLION POLICY FOR ANYBODY BRUTALIZED BY THE
11:09:39 POLICE.
11:09:41 RIGHT OR WRONG.
11:09:42 THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
11:09:45 THE CRB BOARD HAS TO HAVE SOME TEETH IN IT.
11:09:48 WHEN BLACK LIVES MATTER, THAT IS WHEN YOU SEE A WHOLE
11:09:52 WAVE OF THESE LIBERALS, LIBERAL DEMOCRATS SITTING RIGHT
11:09:53 IN OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
11:09:56 CAME IN THE OFFICE AND NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO GO THE
11:09:57 POLICE.
11:10:01 THEY ARE TRYING TO GO THE GESTAPO WAY.
11:10:04 THE AUTHORITARIAN WAY, OVER WHO?
11:10:07 OVER AFRICAN PEOPLE.
11:10:08 ORLANDO GUDES.
11:10:10 THESE ARE THE THINGS I AM TALKING ABOUT.
11:10:13 THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED AFRICAN
11:10:14 PEOPLE TO STAND UP FOR.
11:10:17 WE NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO STAND UP FOR US.
11:10:20 WE DON'T I NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES LAYING DOWN
11:10:26 COOPERATING WITH A EX-POLICE CHIEF, NO MAYOR OR NONE OF
11:10:26 THAT.
11:10:28 WE NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO STAND UP FOR US WHAT IS
11:10:28 RIGHT.
11:10:30 PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
11:10:31 WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
11:10:31 NOTHING.
11:10:34 WE DON'T NEED NO MIDDLE GROUND.
11:10:39 WE DON'T NEED COMPROMISE LIKE YOU NEED TO COMPROMISE
11:10:40 THIS BOARD.
11:10:46 THE NAACP BOARD GIVE YOU YOUR JOB, YOU SAY YOU DON'T
11:10:47 WANT THEM AS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD.
11:10:48 THAT IS A SHAME.
11:10:50 MOST DEFINITELY IS.
11:10:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:10:52 THANK YOU, SIR.
11:11:05 APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
11:11:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE ON.
11:11:11 >> JOE GRECO, TAMPA FIRE FIGHTER PRESIDENT.
11:11:14 AS A UNION REPRESENTATIVE THAT REPRESENT THE
11:11:16 DISTINGUISHED MEN AND WOMEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FIRE
11:11:21 DEPARTMENT, FIRE RESCUE, EXCUSE ME, MY EXTREME HONOR TO
11:11:23 BACK OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN BLUE.
11:11:29 IT IS NOTED SEVERAL TIMES BY OTHER AGENCIES THAT OUR
11:11:32 CAMARADERIE AND FELLOWSHIP SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO TEAMS
11:11:35 ARE AN EXAMPLE THAT MORE SHOULD FOLLOW.
11:11:36 WE ARE CLOSE.
11:11:37 WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER.
11:11:40 AND WE STAND TOGETHER WIN ONE OF US IS IN NEED.
11:11:42 THIS IS HOW I COME TO YOU TODAY.
11:11:45 WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY BACK THE PROPOSALS OF THE COMMUNITY
11:11:50 REVIEW BOARD AS SUPPORTED AND PROMOTED BY OUR MAYOR AND
11:11:52 THE TAMPA POLICE BENEVOLENCE ASSOCIATION.
11:11:55 EVERY DAY WE WITNESS FIRST HAND THE AMAZING AND
11:11:59 SEEMINGLY THANKLESS JOB OUR TEAM HERE IN BLUE DOES.
11:12:02 THAT IS WHY WE NEED AND DESERVE CLOSURE, A VOTE
11:12:04 BACKING THE PROPOSAL GIVES THEM.
11:12:07 THEY HAVE MOST DEFINITELY EARNED IT.
11:12:09 WE ARE YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
11:12:12 IT HAS BEEN A ROUGH YEAR.
11:12:15 LET US ALL GET BACK TO DOING WHAT WE LOVE AND DOING
11:12:16 WHAT YOU HIRED US TO DO.
11:12:20 TO DEFEND AND MAKE A SAFE -- MAKE THIS CITY SAFE AS ONE
11:12:23 OF THE GREATEST CITIES IN THE WORLD.
11:12:26 THANK YOU.
11:12:36 GUDES THANK YOU, SIR.
11:12:39 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN.
11:12:43 DARLA PORTMAN WITH THE TAMPA PAA, THE PRESIDENT.
11:12:46 TALK ABOUT THE CRB WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR A YEAR.
11:12:50 THIS IS A NEGOTIATION THAT THE UNIONS DO ALL THE TIME
11:12:50 WITH THE CITY.
11:12:52 WE ALL CAME TOGETHER.
11:12:55 WE ALL MADE SACRIFICE AND A WISE MAN TOLD ME WHEN I
11:12:59 PAYMENT THE PBA PRESIDENT, WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM A
11:13:02 NEGOTIATION FEELING A LITTLE UNEASY ABOUT IT, YOU WON.
11:13:03 I THINK ALL OF US GOT TOGETHER.
11:13:07 WE CAME UP WITH A VERY GOOD SOLUTION WITH THE 5-5-1.
11:13:11 BUT I TELL YOU THIS RATHER FROM THE NAACP AS THE ONE,
11:13:13 THE ONE WE WORK WITH THE CRB.
11:13:17 COPS AND -- WE AREN'T AFRAID OF THE CRB.
11:13:18 AND WE ARE GOOD WITH THE CRB.
11:13:22 WE CAME TO A REALLY GOOD PROPOSAL IN MAY AND THE NAACP,
11:13:25 THE PBA AND THE CITY AND THE MAYOR HAVE ALL AGREED ON
11:13:26 THAT ONE.
11:13:27 LET'S GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
11:13:28 WE ARE GOOD WITH IT.
11:13:29 OKAY.
11:13:41 THANK YOU.
11:13:46 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS, DANNY ALVAREZ, TAMPA
11:13:48 PBA GENERAL COUNSEL.
11:13:51 CLEARLY BY NOW YOU KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION IS AND WHAT
11:13:52 WE ARE SUPPORTING.
11:13:55 WE APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO HAVE DISCOURSE WITH
11:13:55 EVERYBODY.
11:13:57 WE HAVE GONE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND LISTENED TO MANY
11:14:00 OF, MANY OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND THE FEEDBACK THEY GET
11:14:03 WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IS --
11:14:07 THERE IS A LEVEL OF EXHAUSTION FROM THE UNCERTAINTY.
11:14:10 WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE GOT A GREAT COMPROMISE, THAT WE
11:14:15 CAME IN JANUARY, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WAS THE 5-5-1,
11:14:18 WITH NO SUBPOENA POWER AND NO INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY,
11:14:22 BECAUSE ONE IS BEING PROVIDED BY A CITY AS THE
11:14:23 INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.
11:14:26 WE CONTINUE TO PUSH AND URGE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL BACK
11:14:31 THAT EFFORT IN A MOVE TO GIVE CLOSURE TO THE POLICE
11:14:33 OFFICERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY SITTING OUT THERE WAITING
11:14:36 AND WONDERING HOW AND WHEN THIS IS GOING TO GO.
11:14:39 TO THE EXTENT OF THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO
11:14:40 SAY SOMETHING.
11:14:44 5-5-1 WAS THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH
11:14:46 AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
11:14:47 THEY BOTH LEAD OUR CITY.
11:14:51 NO ONE FAILS TO HAVE A VOICE IN THAT COMPROMISE.
11:14:55 WHAT IS IN THE FACTOR THOUGH THAT ONE EXTRA VOTE THAT
11:14:57 WAS THE NAACP.
11:15:00 WHAT CAUGHT ME A LITTLE BIT OFF GUARD AND MAYBE TO THE
11:15:04 POINT OF BEING OFFENDED WHEN SOMEONE PREVIOUSLY SAID
11:15:08 THAT THE NAACP DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A VOICE.
11:15:10 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW WHAT CAME BEFORE US TODAY, BUT
11:15:13 THE REASON THE UNION AND IRONICALLY THE MAYOR IS
11:15:17 PUSHING FOR THE NAACP TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE IS
11:15:19 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.
11:15:22 AND WE DO WORK WITH THEM HAND IN HAND.
11:15:25 GUESS WHAT, WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE.
11:15:27 YOU DON'T SUSPECT OR THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT CAME
11:15:30 BEFORE YOU ARE GOING TO ROLL OVER JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE
11:15:35 FRIENDLY OR NICE AND KNOW PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE UNION
11:15:37 OR KNOW PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE LEGISLATURE.
11:15:38 RIGHT IS RIGHT.
11:15:39 WRONG IS WRONG.
11:15:41 THAT IS WHAT THE POLICE WANT.
11:15:43 THAT IS THE KIND OF REVIEW THEY WANT.
11:15:46 WHAT THE NAACP MEMBERS ARE GOING TO STAND FOR.
11:15:49 I AM NOT HERE TO REPRESENT THE NAACP BUT HERE TO
11:15:55 SUPPORT THE CURRENT 5-5-1 A VOICE FOR THE NAACP THAT
11:15:57 THE COMPROMISE THAT EVERYBODY MADE AND WE ARE READY TO
11:15:58 MOVE FORWARD.
11:16:00 THANK YOU SO MUCH AND APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS AND THE
11:16:02 SERIOUS DELIBERATION THIS HAS TAKEN.
11:16:25 THANK YOU.
11:16:29 >> HI, EVERYBODY, JAMIE KLAPHOLZ, I AM A TAMPA
11:16:31 RESIDENT AND AN ATTORNEY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
11:16:34 FIRST I WANT TO WISH COUNCILMAN CITRO A VERY HAPPY
11:16:35 BIRTHDAY.
11:16:39 AND I WAS VERY PLEASED LAST MONTH WHEN FIVE OF YOU
11:16:43 VOTED TO PASS A NEW CRB ORDINANCE, BUT NOW I HEAR YOU
11:16:46 ARE CONSIDERING STEPPING BACK FROM THAT ORDINANCE AND I
11:16:48 AM WONDERING WHAT HAS CHANGED.
11:16:51 YOU MAY NOT SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 5-5-1
11:16:55 VERSUS 7-4 BREAKDOWN OF APPOINTMENTS, BUT THE MAYOR'S
11:16:59 ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT IMMENSE RESOURCES -- RESOURCES
11:17:02 OF KEEPING THE CITY COUNCIL FROM APPOINTING A MAJORITY
11:17:03 OF THE CRB.
11:17:06 AND I KEEP ASKING MYSELF WHY.
11:17:09 WHAT IS THE MAYOR AFRAID OF WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY
11:17:12 COUNCIL APPOINTING A MAJORITY OF THE CRB.
11:17:16 SO IF YOU THINK OF IT THIS WAY, IMAGINE THAT THE U.S.
11:17:19 CONGRESS WANTS TO ESTABLISH AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE
11:17:23 DOJ AFFAIRS AND INFORM THE PUBLIC IN A TRANSPARENT AND
11:17:23 CREDIBLE WAY.
11:17:26 IT WOULD NOT GIVE THE PRESIDENT A MAJORITY OR HALF OF
11:17:27 THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS.
11:17:29 WHY?
11:17:32 BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT APPOINTS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
11:17:34 THEREBY EXERTS CONTROL OVER THE DOJ.
11:17:37 IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR THE PERSON WHO CONTROLS THE DOJ
11:17:41 TO ALSO CONTROL THE BOARD RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING
11:17:43 ITS AFFAIRS ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC.
11:17:47 BY THE SAME TOKEN, MAKES NO SENSE TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO
11:17:51 CONTROL THE CRB WHEN SHE ALREADY CONTROLS THE TPD.
11:17:54 THE ENTIRE SUPPORT THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN
11:17:56 EXTERNAL INDEPENDENT BODY AND THEREFORE I ASK TO YOU
11:17:59 PASS THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT FIVE OF YOU VOTED FOR LAST
11:18:00 MONTH.
11:18:03 TAKING SEVEN OF THE APPOINTMENTS WITH EACH OF YOU
11:18:05 HAVING ONE, AND ALLOWING THE MAYOR TO HAVE FOUR
11:18:10 APPOINTMENTS AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU SEE FIT TO ALLOW
11:18:15 THE NAACP, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT
11:18:17 I AM STANDING HERE AND SAYING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
11:18:19 THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MUST HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THESE
11:18:20 SEATS.
11:18:22 AND JUST TO ADDRESS ONE OTHER THING.
11:18:26 THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU VOTED FOR LAST MONTH, IN MY VIEW
11:18:29 AND IN THE VIEW OF ACTIVISTS WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS
11:18:32 IS MORE THAN A COMPROMISE.
11:18:35 THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ASKS THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON
11:18:38 AND WORKING FOR YEARS IS NOT IN THAT ORDINANCE.
11:18:41 THAT IS WHY IT IS SO DISAPPOINTING THAT I HAVE TO STAND
11:18:44 HERE AND ASK YOU AND BEG YOU TO PASS THE SAME ORDINANCE
11:18:47 THAT YOU ALREADY VOTED FOR LAST MONTH WHEN IT IS AN
11:18:50 EXTREME COMPROMISE IN THE FAVOR OF THE SIDE THAT
11:18:55 OPPOSES AN INDEPENDENT AND CREDIBLE CRB, BUT HERE WE
11:18:55 ARE.
11:18:59 SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SEE FIT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
11:19:01 THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU VOTED ON LAST MONTH AND TAKE THE
11:19:03 MAJORITY OF THE CRB APPOINTMENTS.
11:19:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:19:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:19:16 HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE?
11:19:18 IS THAT IS IT, SIR?
11:19:21 >> NO, AFTER HER LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TWO MORE.
11:19:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO MORE.
11:19:25 AFTER THE LAST TWO, WE WILL TAKE A RECESS.
11:19:28 THE CLERK NEEDS TO -- A BREAK.
11:19:29 YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
11:19:35 >> HI, TATIANA MORALES, A CITIZEN AND RESIDENT OF
11:19:35 TAMPA BAY.
11:19:38 I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HERE THE LAST SIX YEARS, AND
11:19:42 IN THE LAST SIX YEARS, I HAVE WATCHED SO MANY INSTANCES
11:19:45 OF COUNTLESS POLICE VIOLENCE AND POLICE BRUTALITY
11:19:49 RAVAGE MY COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT I LIVE IN,
11:19:51 THE COMMUNITIES THAT I SERVE IN AND WORK WITH.
11:19:55 IN THAT I WATCHED INCIDENTS LIKE JAY PASSMORE NEARLY
11:19:57 BEING KILLED BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT DOWN THE
11:19:58 STREET.
11:20:00 I WATCHED INCIDENTS THAT HAVE CHANGE MIND LIFE
11:20:02 COMPLETELY CHANGED WHO I AM AS A PERSON.
11:20:05 I WATCHED AS OUR CITY HAS LET PEOPLE THAT HAVE
11:20:09 CONSTANTLY HAD ACTS OF BRUTALITY, PEOPLE CONSTANTLY
11:20:12 ACTS OF VIOLENCE CONTINUE TO SERVE ON OUR STREET WITH
11:20:14 OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT ARE TAKING OVER HALF OF THE
11:20:16 BUDGET OF THE CITY ON A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT REFUSES
11:20:20 TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AT ANY CONDITION OF THEIR OWN.
11:20:22 THIS IS WHY WE ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO HOLD THESE
11:20:25 PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, TO HOLD THESE OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE
11:20:28 BECAUSE EVERY TAX DOLLAR THAT WE ALL GIVE INTO YOU
11:20:31 GUYS, INTO YOUR SEATS, INTO THESE OFFICES AND STREETS
11:20:36 ARE IN THE FAITH THAT THESE LEADERS THAT YOU ALL -- YOU
11:20:38 WILL RESPOND AND CARE ABOUT THE VALUES THAT WE BRING
11:20:39 AND WE SHARE.
11:20:41 SO WHEN ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE HERE AND THEY ARE
11:20:44 BEGGING YOU TO LISTEN AND BEGGING YOU AND BEGGING YOU
11:20:48 AND E-MAILING YOU AND TEXTING AND SWEETING SAYING THAT
11:20:51 THE ACLU HAS PROPOSAL THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITIZENS
11:20:55 AND ACTUALLY HOLD OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTABLE AND
11:20:58 MAKE A BETTER UNION, LET'S LISTEN TO IT AND BE LEADERS
11:21:02 THAT ACT PROGRESSIVELY THAT MOVE AND LISTEN TO THE
11:21:02 PEOPLE.
11:21:05 WE NEED TO ACTUALLY CAN HE MAN AND CHANGE AND YOU NEED
11:21:07 TO BE LEADERS OF CHANGE.
11:21:09 OF LEADERS THAT.
11:21:12 I E-MAILED EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU FOR THE MONTHS AND
11:21:15 MONTHS OF COUNTLESS ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:21:18 THE ONLY TIME ANY RESPONDED WHEN THE MAYOR OR THE
11:21:20 PREVIOUS MAYOR ANSWERED ON TWITTER.
11:21:22 IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE.
11:21:25 WHAT WE ARE DEMANDING IS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY TO BE HELD.
11:21:28 I DON'T WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE LIVING IN THE CITY I TRULY
11:21:32 LOVE THAT HAS SO MUCH RICH, BEAUTIFUL BLACK HISTORY
11:21:37 WONDERING ANDREW JOSEPH III ENDING UP KILLED ON THE
11:21:37 STREET.
11:21:38 THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT.
11:21:42 I DON'T WANT ANOTHER BLACK BODY.
11:21:46 IF WE KEEP ACTING THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING NOW IS WHAT
11:21:48 SUPPOSE TODAY BE, THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
11:21:50 ALL YOUR TERMS ARE COMING UP.
11:21:51 AND THEY ARE GOING TO ENDS.
11:21:53 IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITIES
11:21:57 THAT YOU GO TO CONSTANTLY -- CONSTANTLY FOR PR.
11:21:58 YOU POINT VOTE.
11:22:00 WE WON'T LET YOU INTO OUR CHURCHES.
11:22:02 WEAPON DON'T LET YOU IN OUR SCHOOLS IF YOU DON'T STAND
11:22:05 RIGHT NOW IN THE MOMENT WHEN YOU ARE MEANT TO HOLD
11:22:06 ACCOUNTABILITY.
11:22:08 WHEN YOU ARE MEANT TO STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH.
11:22:10 IT IS TIME TO LISTEN TO THE PEEP.
11:22:12 IT IS TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE WITH WANT AND STOP THE
11:22:15 HEINOUS TERROR THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SPREAD ON
11:22:17 OUR COMMUNITY AND HAVE OFFICERS TO SERVE WITH THE
11:22:18 INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
11:22:20 THANK YOU.
11:22:23 HOPEFULLY I DON'T SEE YOU ANYMORE WITH TWITTER.
11:22:26 AND ACTUALLY YOU RESPOND TO MY E-MAILS.
11:22:39 THANK YOU.
11:22:40 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:22:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING.
11:22:44 >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL OF ISLAMIC
11:22:45 RELATIONS OF FLORIDA.
11:22:49 AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION WHOSE WORK REVOLVES
11:22:50 AROUND ADVOCACY AND JUSTICE.
11:22:52 OUR PRESENCE HERE IS CRUCIAL TODAY.
11:22:56 HAVING A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD A CRUCIAL STEP IN
11:22:58 ASSERTING JUSTICE.
11:23:01 AND RECENTLY THINGS CHANGED AND CURRENT SET-UP
11:23:03 BASICALLY TAKES US BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
11:23:07 WHEN THE REVIEW BOARD HAS THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS
11:23:10 APPOINTED OR APPROVED BY THE MAYOR IT LOSES ITS
11:23:16 INDEPENDENCE AND LOSES OBJECTIVITY.
11:23:18 FLORIDA IS ASKING TO YOU VOTE OF THE EN SENSE OF WHAT
11:23:22 THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IS ENTITLED TO FULFILL.
11:23:25 THE PEOPLE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY IN PLACE.
11:23:29 WE NEED YOUR VOTE TO CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROMOTE
11:23:30 POSITIVE CHANGE.
11:23:32 THE TRUE PURPOSE OF WHAT CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IS.
11:23:35 FLORIDA IS ASKING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO
11:23:38 CREATE A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD WHICH APPOINTMENTS ARE
11:23:39 MADE BY CITY COUNCIL.
11:23:42 ALSO -- I DIDN'T WRITE THIS DOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
11:23:44 THINK THAT MUCH TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAYOR'S POINT IS
11:23:46 ALWAYS GOING TO BE BIASED.
11:23:49 YOU DON'T HAVE TO THINK THAT HARD.
11:23:51 AND THAT'S ALL.
11:23:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:23:56 >> ACTUALLY ONE MORE THING, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET
11:23:58 JUSTICE BY THE OPPRESSORS.
11:23:59 WHY PUT THEM IN CHARGE.
11:24:03 THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
11:24:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT THE LAST SPEAKER, SIR?
11:24:08 >> ONE MORE SPEAKER.
11:24:18 ONE MORE GENTLEMAN RIGHT NOW.
11:24:19 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:24:24 JAMES SHAW FROM THE GREATER TAMPA CHAPTER OF THE ACLU
11:24:25 OF FLORIDA.
11:24:27 HAPPY BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:24:31 SECOND OFF, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, 5-5-1 IS NOT A
11:24:32 COMPROMISE.
11:24:34 A CAPITULATION.
11:24:38 7-4 IN YOUR FAVOR INSTEAD OF THE MAYOR'S FAVOR WAS A
11:24:39 COMPROMISE.
11:24:42 FT. MYERS THE MAYOR APPOINTS ONE OUT OF 11.
11:24:45 IN MIAMI, TWO OUT OF 13.
11:24:49 DAYTONA BEACH, GAINESVILLE, NONE.
11:24:53 THE CITY COUNCIL -- OUR MAYOR WAS GOING TO GET FOUR OUT
11:24:56 OF THE 11 AND THE ORDINANCE LAST MONTH, THAT WASN'T
11:24:56 ENOUGH.
11:25:01 THE MAYOR WANTS FIVE AND VETO POWER WHO THE SIXTH ONE
11:25:02 IS.
11:25:08 AND THAT SIXTH ONE OF A QUOTE UNQUOTE SOCIAL JUSTICE
11:25:12 CHANGE NAACP.SOCIAL JUSTICE -- WHAT IS THE SOCIAL
11:25:14 JUSTICE ORGANIZATION.
11:25:16 COMMUNITY PATRIOTS A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION.
11:25:17 THEY THINK THEY ARE.
11:25:19 WE ASK FOR SUBPOENA POWER.
11:25:21 IT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE YOU PASS LAST MONTH.
11:25:25 YOU GAVE IT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND YOU LET
11:25:29 YOURSELF CONVINCED YOU COULDN'T GIVE IT TO THE CRB.
11:25:30 WE ASKED FOR AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.
11:25:31 THAT IS NOT IN IT.
11:25:35 YOU GAVE IT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARDS AND YOU GOT
11:25:35 HER.
11:25:38 >> YOU COULDN'T GIVE IT TO THE CRB.
11:25:42 THE ONE THING DID YOU IS A WATERED-DOWN CHANGE OF HOW
11:25:46 THE MEMBERS THAT 7-4 IN YOUR FAVOR INSTEAD OF 7-4 IN
11:25:49 THE MAYOR'S FAVOR AND EVEN THAT THEY WANT TO FIGHT.
11:25:53 IF YOU CAPITULATE TO THAT BEGUN WITH A CRB THAT IS A
11:25:56 WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND END
11:26:01 WITH A CRB THAT IS WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF THE
11:26:01 MAYOR.
11:26:06 WHY IF WE HAVE AN TIE POLICE MAYOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON
11:26:08 ASKED LAST WEEK.
11:26:09 THEY DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.
11:26:12 IF THEY HAD THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW REQUEST ONE
11:26:15 PERSON WOULD APPOINT A MAJORITY.
11:26:17 THAT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO THINK OF THAT.
11:26:19 IT IS YOUR JOB TO THINK OF THAT.
11:26:22 EACH ONE OF YOU BEFORE RUNNING FOR OFFICE I HOPE LOOKED
11:26:25 IN THE BATHROOM MIRROR AND ASKED WHY YOU WANT TO DO
11:26:26 THIS.
11:26:28 AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU SAID TO SEE HOW LONG I CAN
11:26:30 HANG ON.
11:26:31 I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU SAID SO I CAN VOTE AGAINST
11:26:35 WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT WHEN THE PEOPLE WANT IT TO KEEP
11:26:38 POWERFUL FOLKS FROM THROWING TANTRUMS.
11:26:41 I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU SAID, WHEN THE CHANCE COMES TO
11:26:44 DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL, I WANT TO BE ON THE DAIS TO
11:26:46 VOTE TO DO WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING.
11:26:47 THAT IS THIS MOMENT.
11:26:51 AS MISS HILTON SAID, 85% OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS.
11:26:56 78% OF DEMOCRATS, 64% OF REPUBLICANS THINK ONE PERSON
11:26:59 SHOULD NOT APPOINT THE MAJORITY OF THE CRB.
11:27:01 THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY ONE.
11:27:03 WHY IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY FIGHTING SO HARD
11:27:04 FOR THAT.
11:27:06 WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID OF.
11:27:07 NOT SUBPOENAS.
11:27:09 THEY CAN'T BE SUBPOENAED.
11:27:12 NOT DISCIPLINE FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T POLICE OFFICERS.
11:27:14 THE CRB CANNOT DISCIPLINE.
11:27:15 THEY ARE A VOICE.
11:27:18 WHY ARE THEY SO SCARED OF A VOICE.
11:27:19 I TILL YOU WHY BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THEM THE
11:27:23 ABILITY TO BE DISHONEST WITH YOU, THE ABILITY TO BE
11:27:27 DISHONEST WITH THE PUBLIC, THE ABILITY TO SAY SOMETHING
11:27:35 THAT IS OF AN INDEPENDENT BOARD FINDING THE TRUTH.
11:27:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.
11:36:42 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
11:36:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
11:36:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
11:36:47 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
11:36:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
11:36:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
11:36:54 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:36:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU DEPUTY CLERK.
11:37:03 MR. SHELBY.
11:37:12 I THINK WE HEARD ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND
11:37:15 REGISTERED AND IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.
11:37:19 WE WILL GO AND CLOSE AND MOVE INTO THE BUSINESS OF THE
11:37:24 ITEM 64.
11:37:26 MR. DINGFELDER.
11:37:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:37:32 I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANY LENGTHY DISCUSSION.
11:37:35 I THINK WE -- WE DISCUSSED IT LONG AND HARD FOR -- FOR
11:37:36 A LONG, LONG TIME.
11:37:37 AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN HEALTHY.
11:37:43 I THINK THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE -- WE ALL
11:37:46 WORK HARD TOGETHER, NOT ONLY TODAY BUT IN THE FUTURE TO
11:37:49 MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS A STRONG
11:37:55 AND INDEPENDENT BODY AND THAT IT IS THERE TO TRULY
11:37:59 PROVIDE A HEALTHY OVERSIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY TO THE
11:38:00 CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:38:05 AND I THINK EVERY SINGLE POLICE OFFICER IN THE CITY WHO
11:38:08 KNOW THEIR JOB FAR BETTER THAN I DO WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE
11:38:14 OF THAT -- THAT TYPE OF OVERSIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY.
11:38:18 PROCEDURALLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL ONLY REQUEST THIS.
11:38:21 IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE -- WE HAVE COME DOWN TO SORT OF
11:38:25 TWO -- TWO ISSUES ON THE TABLE.
11:38:30 ONE IS THE MAKE-UP OF THE -- OF THE SELECTION.
11:38:35 SO WHICH BASICALLY WOULD COME DOWN TO 7-4 OR 5-5-1.
11:38:40 AND THEN THE SECOND ISSUE NOW IS WHETHER OR NOT IT
11:38:45 SHOULD BE NAACP OR THE ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE THAT WE --
11:38:49 THAT WE PLAYED WITH ON MONDAY.
11:38:52 MY ONLY REQUEST PROCEDURALLY THAT WE HAVE SEPARATE
11:38:54 VOTES ON THOSE TWO ISSUES.
11:38:55 I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
11:38:57 I THINK THAT WAY THE COMMUNITY CAN KNOW WHERE WE STAND
11:38:59 ON THOSE ISSUES.
11:39:02 AND THEN THAT WAY AFTER WE MAKE THOSE TWO DECISIONS,
11:39:06 THEN WE JUST PACKAGE IT UP AND READY TO GO, AND I DO
11:39:09 BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY AS AN ATTORNEY AND SOMEBODY WHO
11:39:12 HAS BEEN HERE FOR TEN YEARS, OFF AND ON, THAT WE ARE
11:39:15 READY FOR SECOND READING NO MATTER WHAT.
11:39:18 THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN WELL NOTICED ON ALL THESE
11:39:22 ISSUES.
11:39:26 AND -- YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE WE CAN PACKAGE THIS UP
11:39:28 AND PUT IT TO BED TODAY AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY,
11:39:31 REALLY HEALTHY TO BE DONE WITH IT TODAY.
11:39:31 THANK YOU.
11:39:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY -- MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE
11:39:34 RECOGNIZED.
11:39:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, JUST REAL QUICK.
11:39:41 HAVING HEARD FROM THE NAACP AND HAVING SPOKEN TO
11:39:45 PRESIDENT YVETTE LEWIS OF THE NAACP THAT THEY HAVE THAT
11:39:48 -- AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED THAT THEY HAVE THAT BOARD
11:39:49 POSITION.
11:39:53 MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY NOT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED OF ANOTHER
11:39:55 SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP OR ACTIVIST GROUP.
11:39:59 THE NAACP WANT THEIR SEAT AT THE TABLE AND WE HAVE TO
11:40:01 KEEP IT THERE.
11:40:03 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:40:06 LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:40:12 I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO OF THIS MORNING I
11:40:14 INVITED THE URBAN LEAGUE TO COME OVER.
11:40:18 KIND OF FUNNY HOW IT FELL ON THAT DATE.
11:40:22 A SEAT THAT HAS BEEN PROMISED FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS
11:40:24 DISCUSSED AS NAACP.
11:40:27 AND SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP THAT IS STRONGLY AGREE WITH
11:40:30 MATTER OF VAGUENESS.
11:40:32 PUT IN SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION.
11:40:34 WHAT IS A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION.
11:40:36 THAT IS A VAGUE TERM.
11:40:39 WHAT IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.
11:40:41 WE KNOW WHAT A SOCIAL JUSTICE AND CIVIL RIGHTS
11:40:45 ORGANIZATION, BUT UNDER THE LAW IN SUBJECTIVE TERMS WE
11:40:46 HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
11:40:49 OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE A HISTORIC ORGANIZATION THAT
11:40:52 FIGHTS FOR SOCIAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS AND THAT
11:40:55 CAREFULLY AND NARROWLY EFFECTS DEFINITION OF THE
11:40:59 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY NAACP THEREFORE THAT SEAT SHOULD BE
11:41:02 SPECIFICALLY GUARDED FOR THE NAACP.
11:41:04 SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID THAT I
11:41:05 STRONGLY AGREE WITH.
11:41:08 WE OUGHT TO VOTE SEPARATELY ON THESE ISSUES AND NOT
11:41:10 SPECIFICALLY ON THE ORDINANCES.
11:41:11 WHY?
11:41:15 BECAUSE I THINK IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 6-5, THE 5-5-1,
11:41:17 WHATEVER YOU WANT -- PASSES AND SOMEBODY VOTES AGAINST
11:41:21 IT AS AN ORDINANCE WANT TO COME OUT AGAINST THE ENTIRE
11:41:21 OFFERED NANCE.
11:41:25 I THINK THAT IS A GOOD COURTESY TO OUR COLLEAGUES SO WE
11:41:27 CAN DISPOSE OF THOSE ISSUES AS WELL.
11:41:29 SOMETHING I TALKED ABOUT AS WELL WITH REGARD TO THE
11:41:30 5-5-1.
11:41:34 MY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EITHER HAVE
11:41:40 IT BE -- THE -- THE VOTE FROM THE NAACP CONFIRMED BY
11:41:41 CITY COUNCIL.
11:41:44 SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD VERY BRIEFLY ADDRESS
11:41:48 IS, IF -- DO WE WANT THAT VOTE FROM -- THAT SEAT FROM
11:41:53 THE NAACP CONFIRMED BY A VOTE OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
11:41:58 JUST SOMETHING TO THROW IN THERE THAT I THINK MAY, YOU
11:42:01 KNOW, BE RELEVANT TO SOME OF THE MY COLLEAGUES.
11:42:02 I THROW THAT OUT THERE.
11:42:06 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM FOLKS ON THAT.
11:42:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO TO MR. MIRANDA AND COME BACK TO
11:42:09 YOU.
11:42:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA ON
11:42:15 THE POINT OF THE NAACP.
11:42:18 I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS -- IT IS INCUMBENT ON ALL OF
11:42:19 US TO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN
11:42:22 LEADING THE CHARGE FOR THE RIGHT THING TO BE DONE FOR
11:42:24 MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
11:42:27 AND THEY ARE THE ONES, IN MY BOOK ANYWAY, THAT I AM
11:42:31 SURE ALL OF US FEEL THE SAME WAY, AT A NATIONAL LEVEL,
11:42:34 STATE LEVEL AND NATIONAL LEVEL, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT
11:42:37 REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE DEARLY AND THEIR
11:42:40 NEED OF LEADERSHIP LIKE WE ARE NEED OF LEADERSHIP AT
11:42:40 TIMES.
11:42:44 AND I AGREE WITH MR. DINGFELDER ON FIRST READING.
11:42:49 HOWEVER, I DISAGREE ON THE METHOD OF FIRST READING.
11:42:52 IN OTHER WORDS, THE METHOD OF FIRST READING TO BE A
11:42:55 COMPARABLE OF TWO AND THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS WHICH ONE
11:42:57 IS ACCEPTABLE TO US.
11:42:59 AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE ON FIRST READING.
11:43:02 SO IF WE BRING A NEW ORDINANCE TODAY ON FIRST READING
11:43:04 OF 5-5-1.
11:43:07 THAT IS STILL ON FIRST READING AND STILL CAN BE PASSED
11:43:07 IN TWO WEEKS.
11:43:10 SO THE TIME RESTRAINT IS NOT A LOSS.
11:43:14 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WAS TAKEN BY ONE
11:43:18 COUNCILMEMBER OR THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBER, BUT THE
11:43:21 MAJORITY OF COUNCIL DIDN'T VOTE ON WHICH ORDINANCE THEY
11:43:22 WANT.
11:43:24 I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PRESENT AN ORDINANCE OF
11:43:25 5-5-1.
11:43:30 SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON 5-5-1 OR 7-4.
11:43:34 I THINK THAT IS INCUMBENT AFTER THE TWO ITEMS THAT MR.
11:43:36 DINGFELDER SPOKE ABOUT AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
11:43:39 I AGREE WITH THAT.
11:43:44 WANT THE PUBLIC ENTITLED WHAT WE SAID, HOW WE SAID IT,
11:43:45 AND HOW WE VOTED.
11:43:48 BELIEVE ME WHAT I SEE IN POLITICAL ARENAS, THIS IS
11:43:52 GOING TO BE AN ELECTION FOR 2023.
11:43:55 THIS WILL BE WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK YOU.
11:43:58 SO BE PREPARED TO FACE THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE IN MY BOOK,
11:44:01 THAT IS A FIRST THING THEY WANT TO KNOW.
11:44:02 COVERED TODAY.
11:44:03 COME OUT VARIOUS TIMES.
11:44:05 AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
11:44:08 I AM NOT AFRAID TO DEFEND MY STAND.
11:44:10 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:44:14 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO AND THEN CITRO.
11:44:17 GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL STOP AFTER THIS.
11:44:20 COUNSEL CITRO WITH THE NAACP APPOINTMENT.
11:44:24 AN APPOINTMENT BY THE NAACP AND CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR
11:44:28 OR CONFIRMED AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
11:44:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
11:44:31 MARTIN SHELBY: THE OPTIONS ARE PREPARED BY THE CITY
11:44:35 ATTORNEY AND I KNOW SHE IS ONLINE, MY UNDERSTANDING AND
11:44:38 RECOLLECTION AND WANT HER TO CONFIRM THAT, PRESENTLY AS
11:44:42 DRAFTED THE APPOINTMENT IS BY CITY COUNCIL.
11:44:45 AND NOT BY THE NAACP.
11:44:49 THAT PERSON HAS THE QUALIFICATION OF BEING A MEMBER OF
11:44:50 THE NAACP.
11:44:53 IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S CHOICE SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION OF
11:44:54 THE MAYOR.
11:44:55 THAT IS WHAT IT IS PRESENTLY.
11:44:56 NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
11:45:00 NOT APPOINTMENT BY THE MAYOR, CONFIRMATION BY CITY
11:45:01 COUNCIL.
11:45:03 CITY COUNCIL THAT MAKES THE DECISION AND PRESENTS THAT
11:45:04 TO THE MAYOR.
11:45:08 IF THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM OR CLARIFY
11:45:12 BECAUSE THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OF WHAT COUNCIL IS
11:45:13 BEING GIVEN.
11:45:17 ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES.
11:45:21 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
11:45:23 GINA GRIMES: I THINK IT IS ON NOW.
11:45:26 CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
11:45:28 CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
11:45:31 ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MA'AM, I CAN HEAR YOU.
11:45:34 GINA GRIMES: I AM NOT CLEAR ON WHAT MR. SHELBY JUST
11:45:37 STATED, BUT THE CURRENT VERSIONS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY,
11:45:42 THE WAY THEY ARE STRUCTURED IS THAT THE COUNCIL WILL
11:45:44 MAKE THE APPOINTMENT.
11:45:46 THEY WILL BE THE APPOINTING BODY OF WHETHER IT IS THE
11:45:51 NAACP OR A CIVIL RIGHTS SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION AND
11:45:54 THAT APPOINTMENT WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THE
11:45:56 CONFIRMATION OF THE MAYOR.
11:46:02 SO WE CAN MODIFY IT IF WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THE NAACP TO
11:46:06 NOMINATE AND THEN COUNCIL APPOINT AND THE MAYOR
11:46:08 CONFIRM.
11:46:10 IT CAN BE STRUCTURED THAT WAY AS WELL.
11:46:12 GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL THEN TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT AND
11:46:17 I WILL JUST SAY AND WRAP UP WITH I TRUST MY COLLEAGUES.
11:46:20 I TRUST YOU ALL HERE AND I TRUST THE NAACP.
11:46:23 WHOEVER IS, SAY, NOMINATED OR APPOINTED TO BE ON THE
11:46:25 BOARD, THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
11:46:28 WHY WOULD IT NEED MAYORAL APPROVAL?
11:46:30 WE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE LAYERS OF TRUST.
11:46:33 OR AM I COMPLICATING IT TOO MUCH.
11:46:37 IF YVETTE LEWIS OF THE NAACP SAYS THIS IS WHO WE
11:46:39 NOMINATE FOR THE BOARD OR WHO WANTS TO OBJECT BE THE
11:46:44 BOARD OR US AS CITY COUNCIL, WE -- WE CHOOSE SOMEBODY
11:46:46 FROM THE NAACP.
11:46:48 THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
11:46:51 WHY WOULD IT NEED FURTHER APPROVAL?
11:46:55 ANY THOUGHT?
11:46:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO AND COME BACK -- BECAUSE I
11:47:04 HAVE MY OWN SPIEL WITH REFERENCE TO THE NAACP.
11:47:05 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:47:07 I NEED TO MAKE MYSELF CLEAR.
11:47:13 AND -- I AM SURE LIKE THE REST OF US HAVE GOTTEN A LOT
11:47:15 OF CALLS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE NAACP.
11:47:19 AND I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION THAT I AM A CARD CARRYING
11:47:21 MEMBER OF THE NAACP.
11:47:23 I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT THE
11:47:30 NAACP DOES AND HAS DONE.
11:47:34 BUT I ALSO HEARD FROM OTHER SOCIAL JUSTICE
11:47:41 ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE LBGT.
11:47:44 WE HEAR FROM A PERSON WHO COMES DOWN QUITE OFTEN WHO
11:47:51 HAS THEIR COMPLAINTS ABOUT TPD AND TALK OF GAY, LESBIAN
11:47:54 AND TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.
11:47:58 WE ALSO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WITHIN THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY
11:48:00 THAT ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE HAVING THEIR TROUBLES
11:48:03 WITH TPD.
11:48:09 MY THOUGHT, MY IDEA, AND WHEN I PUT IT OUT THERE WAS
11:48:20 TO BE INCLUSIVE OF ALL SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS.
11:48:22 THIS IS A VOTE THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE.
11:48:25 BUT I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE MYSELF CLEAR.
11:48:28 MY INTENTION WAS NOT TO TAKE AWAY THE GREAT
11:48:36 ORGANIZATION OF THE NAACP BUT JUST TO INCLUDE OTHER
11:48:39 SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS.
11:48:42 SHOULD THE TIME COME IN THE FUTURE.
11:48:45 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:48:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
11:48:50 CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THIS
11:48:53 TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND I
11:48:58 WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE THE NAACP TO BE THE 11TH MEMBER
11:49:01 OF THE CRB BOARD.
11:49:04 ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION
11:49:05 FOR MYSELF.
11:49:08 JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL SECOND.
11:49:14 ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS, GENTLEMEN.
11:49:17 THERE ARE SIX COUNCILMEMBERS IN HERE.
11:49:19 AND I SEE ONE, TWO, THREE, AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
11:49:23 I DON'T USE THE WORD AFRICAN-AMERICANS -- I AM BLACK
11:49:23 MAN.
11:49:27 I NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA.
11:49:28 I WOULD LOVE TO GO.
11:49:29 I AM AN AMERICAN.
11:49:30 I AM A BLACK MAN IN AMERICA.
11:49:33 I HAVE ANCESTORS FROM AFRICA, BUT FOR ME, I AM A BLACK
11:49:35 MAN WHO LIVES IN AMERICA.
11:49:37 I KNOW WHAT RACISM IS.
11:49:39 I KNOW RACISM IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:49:40 WENT THROUGH IT.
11:49:45 I KNOW WHAT RACISM IS IN A COMMUNITY.
11:49:48 THE OTHER TWO AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN HERE, THEY FACED IT.
11:49:50 THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS.
11:49:55 BUT IT SICKENS ME WHEN I HEAR CERTAIN COMMENTS FROM
11:49:57 CERTAIN FOLKS.
11:50:00 COUNCILMAN GUDES DON'T WANT THE NAACP TO BE PART OF THE
11:50:01 BOARD.
11:50:03 HOGWASH AND BULL.
11:50:04 NEVER, EVER SAID THAT.
11:50:08 AND I AM SICK OF HEARING THAT GARBAGE.
11:50:12 ABOUT SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST --
11:50:14 DON'T LIKE ME OR WHATEVER.
11:50:15 I DON'T GET INTO THAT.
11:50:18 AND I GET INTO THE FACTS.
11:50:23 THE FACT IS, MISS GRIMES SAID THAT ACLU DID NOT WANT
11:50:25 TO BE A PART OF THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS A
11:50:29 CONFLICT OF INTEREST THEY HAD A DIRECTOR ON THE BOARD.
11:50:31 I THOUGHT OF THAT LONG AND HARD.
11:50:34 LET'S PROTECT THE LONGEST SERVING ORGANIZATION TO -- IN
11:50:39 CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE CITY, GOD FORBID AND MAY
11:50:42 HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF CAMERAS, AND BECOME A CONFLICT
11:50:45 -- IT CREATES A PROBLEM FOR THAT BOARD.
11:50:48 AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, WELL, LET'S HAVE THE NAACP BUT
11:50:49 A MEMBER.
11:50:52 A MEMBER OF THE SOCIAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING
11:50:53 LIKE THAT.
11:50:56 BUT NOT THE DIRECTOR OF THE EXECUTIVE STAFF.
11:50:57 I STILL STAND BY THAT.
11:51:00 AND MR. CITRO TALKED OF SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP.
11:51:06 I GOT CALLS FROM -- YOU KNOW HIS LOCKET THAT RUN OTHER
11:51:07 SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUPS.
11:51:11 TAMPA FOR JUSTICE AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL.
11:51:16 I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NAACP IF THAT IS THE
11:51:17 PERSON ON THE BOARD.
11:51:19 I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUES WITH THAT.
11:51:21 LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR.
11:51:24 BUT AS A PERSON, I HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY'S
11:51:24 CONCERNS.
11:51:28 AND THAT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT EVERYBODY.
11:51:32 I AM JUST SAYING, I KNOW SOME COUNCILMEMBERS, THE
11:51:36 NAACP, THEY DON'T WANT TO CROSS THIS AND THAT.
11:51:37 I GET THAT.
11:51:38 THE POLITICS WITH THAT.
11:51:41 REELECTION AIN'T A BIG DEAL.
11:51:44 PEOPLE LIKE WHAT I HAVE DONE, THEY VOTE ME IN.
11:51:48 IF THEY DON'T, I AM HAPPY.
11:51:52 TRY COACH FOOTBALL AND I AM SERIOUS OF THAT.
11:51:53 ELECTION TIME.
11:51:56 I DID A HELL OF A JOB OF THE CITIZENS OF MY DISTRICT.
11:51:58 THEY LIKE WHAT I DID, I AM BACK.
11:52:00 IF THEY DON'T THINK WHAT I DID.
11:52:01 I DO WHAT I DID.
11:52:05 AND TAKE MY HAT OFF TO THE FENCE IS AND MOVE ON WITH
11:52:06 THE NEXT CHAPTER.
11:52:08 I DIDN'T AGREE EVERYTHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
11:52:09 DID OVER THERE.
11:52:11 AS A BLACK MAN.
11:52:13 BUT I WENT THROUGH IT.
11:52:15 GOT THROUGH IT.
11:52:16 THAT CHAPTER IS OVER IN MY LIFE.
11:52:20 I DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND WHEN IT COMES TO THIS
11:52:21 CITY COUNCIL.
11:52:22 ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE.
11:52:27 ALL THE SENIORS ARE NOT GOING TO GO EVERYBODY WAY ALL
11:52:27 THE TIME.
11:52:29 I STAY ALL THE TIME.
11:52:33 TO GET DEALS DONE AND GET THINGS MOVING.
11:52:36 SO LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR ABOUT THE NAACP.
11:52:38 I LOVE THE NAACP.
11:52:41 FOLKS THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT FIGHT FOR JUSTICE IN
11:52:43 OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I STAND BY.
11:52:46 I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THEM BEING ON THE BOARD BUT
11:52:51 I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH AN EXECUTIVE MEMBER, HAVING
11:52:53 SOMEONE FROM THEIR SOCIAL JUSTICE -- I DON'T THINK
11:52:56 ANYBODY IN THE EXECUTIVE BODY BECAUSE IT TAINTS THE
11:52:57 BOARD A LITTLE BIT.
11:52:58 THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
11:53:00 I STAND BY IT.
11:53:04 IF THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD DESIRES, THE BOARD DESIRES.
11:53:07 OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE NAACP.
11:53:09 MR. MIRANDA HAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND MR.
11:53:11 DINGFELDER HAS SECONDED IT.
11:53:12 ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT?
11:53:16 THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THE NAACP BE THE SOLE PERSON
11:53:20 ON THAT BOARD NO MATTER WHO -- WHO IS NOMINATED FOR
11:53:24 EXECUTIVE BOARD OR MEMBER OF ANOTHER BRANCH.
11:53:27 THAT CORRECT, MR. MIRANDA.
11:53:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR
11:53:32 CLARIFICATION AND TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO THE LEGAL
11:53:33 DEPARTMENT AND TO THE CLERK.
11:53:36 I THINK WE WILL JUST GO BACK TO THE LANGUAGE THAT, YOU
11:53:42 KNOW, THAT WE HAD AS RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM,
11:53:43 NAACP.
11:53:49 WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ATLANTA WE HAVE TO MONDAY.
11:53:53 ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES, WHAT IS THAT LANGUAGE?
11:53:56 GINA GRIMES: THE LANGUAGE YOU HAVE ON MONDAY IS THAT
11:53:59 THE -- IT WAS -- LET ME GO BACK.
11:54:03 THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE ON FIRST READING THAT IS UP
11:54:09 FOR SECOND READING TODAY ON THE IS 7-4 WITH THE NAACP
11:54:16 BEING THE FOURTH -- OR BEING THE 11TH MEMBER.
11:54:20 THAT MEMBER WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.
11:54:29 THAT IS THE WAY IT IS STRUCTURED NOW.
11:54:35 ONE OF WHICH WILL BE A MEMBER OF THE NAACP.
11:54:40 THE OTHER OPTION THAT I -- THAT I HAVE DRAFTED AFTER
11:54:42 THE MEETING ON MONDAY.
11:54:46 I WENT BACK AND JUST OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION
11:54:52 WENT AHEAD AND DRAFTED A 5-5-1 VERSION ALSO WITH THAT
11:54:57 11TH -- THAT ONE MEMBER, THE 11TH MEMBER BEING
11:55:02 APPOINTED BY NAACP, BEING APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND
11:55:04 CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.
11:55:08 ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WAS MY REQUEST, MISS GRIMES.
11:55:10 GINA GRIMES: PARDON ME?
11:55:12 ORLANDO GUDES: MY REQUEST.
11:55:13 THAT'S CORRECT?
11:55:15 GINA GRIMES: YOU ARE CORRECT.
11:55:17 YOU ASKED ME AND MR. MIRANDA.
11:55:21 I TOLD BOTH OF YOU -- THAT I SPOKEN TO MISS LEWIS AND I
11:55:24 KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE AND I WENT AHEAD TO
11:55:28 PREPARE A FOURTH VERSION OF AN ORDINANCE SO WE WOULD BE
11:55:29 READY TODAY.
11:55:31 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:55:33 ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
11:55:36 JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE WE HAVE GOT IT REVERSED DEAL
11:55:42 WITH THE 5-5-1, 7-4 QUESTION FIRST AND THEN VOTE ON
11:55:44 THE NAACP QUESTION SECOND.
11:55:49 AND CONFORM THE NAACP PART INTO THAT 5-5.
11:55:52 BECAUSE AS MR. VIERA SUGGESTED AND I THINK MR.
11:55:56 MANISCALCO TOO AND MAYBE OTHERS, I THINK THEY SUGGESTED
11:56:04 THAT THE NAACP POSITION JUST BE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL
11:56:08 WHICH WILL THEN MAKE IT MORE OF A 6-5 INSTEAD OF THE
11:56:11 7-4 OR THE 5-5-1.
11:56:14 SO I DON'T KNOW, MR. MIRANDA, YOU MADE THE MOTION.
11:56:17 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DEFER -- DEFER IT FOR A SECOND
11:56:21 OR TWO UNTIL WE BANG OUT THAT OTHER ISSUE.
11:56:23 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAD SO MANY ISSUES HERE I THINK
11:56:26 THE PUBLIC IS CONFUSED.
11:56:31 BEFORE WE DISCUSS 7-4, 5-5, IN OUT, NO PLAY, YES PLAY,
11:56:33 ALL THAT.
11:56:35 AND BY THE WAY, I AM NOT COMING TO ANYONE'S OFFENSE.
11:56:39 I NEVER HEARD THE CHAIRMAN SPEAK BUT PRAISE FOR THE
11:56:40 NAACP.
11:56:44 HE NEVER TALKED NEGATIVE FROM WHAT I HEARD BY ANYWAY.
11:56:47 I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE SIR.
11:56:48 AND THERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT.
11:56:50 WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT FIRST.
11:56:52 ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK MR. SHELBY, THE
11:56:57 RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE AS WE LOOK AT THE 5-5-1.
11:56:59 THAT'S CORRECT, GENTLEMEN?
11:57:00 5-5-1.
11:57:05 JOHN DINGFELDER: 5-5-1, 6-5, OR 7-4.
11:57:06 BETWEEN THOSE THREE.
11:57:09 MARTIN SHELBY: IF I UNDERSTAND -- MARTIN SHELBY,
11:57:10 CITY COUNCIL.
11:57:12 ORLANDO GUDES: I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED.
11:57:14 NOW I AM GETTING CONFUSED.
11:57:17 WHAT I AM HEARING NOW -- WE ARE SAYING NOW WE ARE GOING
11:57:21 TO SHIFT AND SAY 5-5 AND ONE ON THE SIDE WILL BE SOLELY
11:57:24 RECOMMENDED BY THIS COUNCIL, THAT'S CORRECT?
11:57:27 JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS WHAT I AM CALLING THE 6-5.
11:57:30 GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS SAYING THAT COUNCIL APPROVED
11:57:33 THE NAACP NOMINEE.
11:57:35 CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS, IF I MAY.
11:57:37 LET'S GO TO SOMETHING PRACTICAL AND SOMETHING PRACTICAL
11:57:38 AND POLITICAL.
11:57:42 NO MAYOR THAT I KNOW OF IS DUMB ENOUGH IF THIS COUNCIL
11:57:47 PASSES SOMETHING 7-0, LET'S SAY -- I AM JUST SAYING
11:57:47 THAT.
11:57:51 I AM NOT GOING IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT MAYOR IS
11:57:52 STUPID ENOUGH TO SAY NO.
11:57:54 I AM NOT TALKING OF THIS MAYOR.
11:57:56 I AM TALKING ABOUT ANY MAYOR.
11:57:59 WHO IS GOING TO FIGHT OVER THAT?
11:58:00 NO ONE.
11:58:01 SO WHAT ARE WE DOING?
11:58:04 TRYING TO MAKING IS NEW THAT IS NOT NEW?
11:58:05 I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
11:58:06 YOU GOT ME CONFUSED.
11:58:09 MAYBE IT IS EASIER TO GET ME CONFUSED BUT I DON'T THINK
11:58:10 IT IS.
11:58:15 SOMETIMES I ACT LIKE A DUMMY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE
11:58:16 DUMMIES ARE ASKING ME FOR.
11:58:19 WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, TELL BEE IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE
11:58:23 THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO TURN DOWN A COUNCIL IF THEY
11:58:28 SELECT SOMEONE, SOMEBODY TO BE 7-0 OR 6-1 OR 5-2.
11:58:30 DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?
11:58:33 LIKE GOING FISH CAN AND THINKING YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A
11:58:34 BALL GAME.
11:58:36 YOU ARE GOING TO CATCH FISH.
11:58:39 TO ME IT'S -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.
11:58:43 DO YOU THINK THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO DO THAT?
11:58:43 REALLY?
11:58:45 I AM NOT TRYING TO KNOCK ANYBODY OUT.
11:58:48 BUT DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO GO
11:58:51 AGAINST ANYBODY WHETHER IT IS US OR SOMEBODY ELSE
11:58:54 SITTING IN THESE CHAIRS UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS?
11:58:56 I DON'T THINK SO.
11:58:58 IT WOULD BE SUICIDAL.
11:59:00 ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME DO THIS, MR. MIRANDA.
11:59:06 WE NEED TO WIND THIS DOWN AND BRING IT FOR A LANDING.
11:59:08 I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO OPTIONS.
11:59:09 THREE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
11:59:11 NARROW IT DOWN REAL QUICK.
11:59:13 WE WILL DO -- JUST A SECOND.
11:59:15 NOT GO INTO A LONG DISCUSSION.
11:59:22 BOTTOM LINE IS YOU HAVE A, B AND NOW A C ON THIS TABLE
11:59:22 HERE.
11:59:24 NOW WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS ON MONDAY.
11:59:28 I GUESS THE ADMINISTRATION WAS PREPARED FOR TWO ITEMS.
11:59:31 NOW WE HAVE A THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
11:59:33 IT IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO DO BUSINESS, BUT, AGAIN, I AM
11:59:35 ONE PERSON.
11:59:39 AND THERE ARE SIX OTHER PEOPLE.
11:59:41 SO NOW IF WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS INTO A LANDING,
11:59:47 THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT REALISTICALLY --
11:59:49 REALISTICALLY.
11:59:52 IF YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING WHAT ARE YOUR TOP
11:59:56 TWO CHOICES SO MR. BENNETT IS CLEAR AND MAKE HIS PHONE
11:59:59 CALLS TO THE MAYOR AND WE MOVE ON.
12:00:02 IS THIS GOING TO KEEP GOING THROUGH THIS COURSE.
12:00:03 YOU MAKE YOUR TOP TWO.
12:00:06 MR. BENNETT MAKES HIS PHONE CALL AND WE END IT.
12:00:09 WHEREVER IT GOES, IT GOES.
12:00:12 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TOP TWO?
12:00:14 ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING AROUND THE TABLE.
12:00:16 WHAT ARE YOUR TOP TWO.
12:00:18 YOU HAVE THREE -- I MEAN, I AM NOT GOING TO SAY I AM
12:00:23 GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS.
12:00:25 WE GOT TO BRING IT FOR A LEFT HANDING.
12:00:29 MR. SHELBY YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND THEN I WILL LET MR.
12:00:31 BENNETT.
12:00:35 MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, FORGIVE ME FOR BEING SLOW ON
12:00:36 THE UPTAKE.
12:00:38 I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY AND THE PUBLIC AND
12:00:41 ADMINISTRATION ARE AWARE OF THE THOUGHT PROCESSES THAT
12:00:44 COUNCIL IS GOING THROUGH WITH REGARD TO THE OPTION.
12:00:48 I DON'T HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING -- MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT
12:00:49 PEOPLE ARE VOTING ON.
12:00:55 SEVERAL OPTIONS AND THEY HAVE GROWN BECAUSE OF WHAT
12:00:57 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO RAISED.
12:01:00 TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, THE 5-5-1.
12:01:01 AND WHAT IS THE ONE.
12:01:03 AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WANTED TO IN THE INTEREST OF
12:01:08 CLEARING IT UP AS OPPOSED TO VERSUS -- ANOTHER OPTION
12:01:11 ON THE TABLE IS WHAT ALREADY EXISTS FOR SECOND READING.
12:01:14 AND THAT IS WHAT COUNCIL VOTED ON FOR FIRST READING.
12:01:17 JUST REMEMBER THAT AS WELL BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU DO IF
12:01:18 THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE THAN THAT, REQUIRES A
12:01:20 SUBSTITUTION.
12:01:22 DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?
12:01:24 SO THAT BEING THE CASE, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE UNLESS
12:01:26 COUNCIL FEELS DIFFERENTLY.
12:01:30 THIS IS YOUR MEETING, YOUR DISCUSSION, BUT RESOLVE THE
12:01:33 ISSUE OF THE APPOINTMENTS FIRST, THE BREAKDOWN AND DO
12:01:40 THE SPECIFICITY OF HOW THAT LAST ONE NEEDS TO BE DONE.
12:01:45 UNLESS -- UNLESS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MADE A TOTALLY
12:01:48 DIFFERENT MOTION AND I DIDN'T HEAR IT.
12:01:54 ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND DINGFELDER.
12:01:57 LUIS VIERA: I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF -- OF US TALKING
12:02:01 ABOUT OUR TWO HIGHEST PREFERENCES AND THEN MAYBE TAKING
12:02:04 TIME FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO TALK OR SOMETHING OF
12:02:06 THAT NATURE.
12:02:12 I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THIS DISPOSITIVE ISSUE FAST AND
12:02:15 DISPOSE OF IT AND MOVE FORWARD, WHATNOT.
12:02:16 THAT'S IT.
12:02:18 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:02:21 JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
12:02:24 I -- I PERSONALLY WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS GOING BE
12:02:27 TOO THIRD OPTION THIS MORNING.
12:02:29 I WAS RESIGNED TO THE FACT IT WAS GOING TO BE EITHER
12:02:35 7-4 OR 5-5-1.
12:02:40 BUT NOW THERE HAS BEEN ANOTHER SUGGESTION FROM AT LEAST
12:02:43 TWO OF OUR MEMBERS.
12:02:48 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE THREE CHOICES.
12:02:52 SOMETIMES LIKE WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO BE CHAIRMAN, THERE
12:02:56 MIGHT BE THREE PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES GET NOMINATED AND WE
12:02:57 DEAL WITH IT.
12:02:59 SO I THINK THAT IS HOW WE SHOULD DEAL WITH IT.
12:03:04 IF THERE ARE THREE CHOICES, WE SHOULD -- PUT THAT --
12:03:06 PUT THAT OUT THERE.
12:03:11 AND EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON WHAT THOSE THREE CHOICES ARE,
12:03:13 MAKE A VOTE RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
12:03:16 AND SEE -- SEE IF THE THREE CHOICES GET FOUR VOTES.
12:03:20 I MEAN ONE OF THOSE THREE CHOICES.
12:03:23 IF ONE OF THOSE THREE VOICES GET A VOTE, THAT IS THE
12:03:23 CHOICE.
12:03:27 THAT IS THE CHOICE AND WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
12:03:31 I THINK WE ARE ALL PRETTY CLEAR ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S
12:03:33 PREFERENCE.
12:03:38 THEY HAVE STATED IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, BUT NOW WE ARE
12:03:41 THE LEGISLATIVE BODY AND MAKE THAT LEGISLATIVE CHOICE.
12:03:44 MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD URGE TO YOU MOVE FORWARD, SAY PUT
12:03:47 THOSE THREE CHOICES ON THE FLOOR.
12:03:50 EACH ONE OF US WILL STATE WHAT THOSE -- WHAT OUR
12:03:50 PREFERENCE IS.
12:03:53 OUR NUMBER ONE PREFERENCE OUT OF THOSE THREE CHOICES
12:03:59 AND SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.
12:04:01 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:04:02 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:04:05 MAYBE I AM INCORRECT ON ONE ITEM OR TWO ITEMS.
12:04:09 TELL ME THAT THE PERSON THAT THE MAYOR NOMINATES FOR
12:04:12 THE COMMITTEE THAT IS NOT RATIFIED BY THIS COUNCIL.
12:04:13 CAN YOU TELL ME ONE PERSON?
12:04:16 JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE MADE OBJECTIONS BEFORE IN
12:04:17 THE PAST.
12:04:19 CHARLIE MIRANDA: OBJECTIONS.
12:04:23 SO WHAT IF ONE OF US WAS MAYOR AND YOU SEND THINGS DOWN
12:04:26 TO THE COUNCIL TO GET CONFIRMED.
12:04:27 YES OR NO.
12:04:29 HAPPENS EVERY DAY, EVERY MONTH.
12:04:31 EVERY YEAR -- NOT EVERY DAY, BUT IT HAPPENS.
12:04:36 HOW DO YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE ON THE OTHER SEAT?
12:04:38 WHEN YOU VOTE ON SOMETHING, YOU GOT TO FEEL WHAT YOU
12:04:40 THINK IS RIGHT.
12:04:43 AND THEN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PRESENT IT.
12:04:47 SO ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANY MAYOR, THIS MAYOR, ANY
12:04:49 FUTURE MAYOR AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT?
12:04:53 YOU WANT TO START A NEGATIVE THING INSTEAD OF SHAKE
12:04:57 HANDS ON SOMETHING THAT TO ME WORDS DON'T MEAN MUCH,
12:05:00 BUT IF YOU SHAKE SOMEBODY'S HAND, THAT IS A CONTRACT,
12:05:02 WHERE I COME FROM.
12:05:05 AND I BELIEVE WHERE YOU COME FROM, MR. GUDES.
12:05:10 BECAUSE THE ONLY THING ENOUGH YOUR LIFE IS A YOUR WORD
12:05:11 AND A HANDSHAKE.
12:05:12 THAT'S IT.
12:05:16 THE REST COMES AND GOES WITH THE WIND.
12:05:19 WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR?
12:05:23 WHY AM I GOING TO UPSET THIS MAYOR OR ANY MAYOR THAT WE
12:05:28 HAVE TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OF, THE APPOINTEES TO ANY
12:05:33 BOARD.
12:05:37 WHEN WE ARE NOT GOING TO OFFER THAT MAYOR THE SAME
12:05:37 THING.
12:05:42 I AM NOT PRO-MAYOR, ANTI-MAYOR, PRO COUNCIL,
12:05:46 ANTI-COUNCIL, I TRY TO BE AS FAIR AS I CAN FROM A
12:05:49 STREET EXPERIENCE NOT A COUNCIL EXPERIENCE.
12:05:54 YOU GIVE A HAND SHAKE AND YOU VIOLATE THAT YOU ARE IN A
12:05:55 HELL OF DEEP TROUBLE.
12:05:58 NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, YOUR WORD IS THE ONLY THING
12:06:02 YOU HAVE AND YOUR HANDSHAKE IS THAT CONTRACT.
12:06:04 THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:06:08 ORLANDO GUDES: LET MR. BENNETT CHIME IN, AND WE WILL
12:06:11 COME BACK.
12:06:14 GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
12:06:15 GOOD AFTERNOON, PUBLIC.
12:06:19 I WILL STAY VERY NARROW AND PRESCRIPTIVE FOR THE SAKE
12:06:21 OF MY TIME MANAGEMENT.
12:06:26 BUT ON MONDAY WE LEFT WITH THE 7-4, THE 5-5-1 OPTION.
12:06:30 WHAT I HEARD COUNCIL SAY AND I BELIEVE MISS GRIMES WENT
12:06:35 BACK TO SUPPORT WITH SUBSTITUTIONS WAS THAT COUNCIL
12:06:38 ASKED SPECIFICALLY IF -- IF THEY MADE THE
12:06:43 RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 11TH POSITION OR THE ONE
12:06:46 POSITION, AND THE MAYOR CONFIRMED IT IN THAT ORDER AND
12:06:49 WE SAID THAT WAS FINE, EITHER WAY, AND WE HEARD IT
12:06:53 COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OR THAT
12:06:55 NOMINATION AND THE MAYOR WOULD CONFIRM IT.
12:07:00 IF IT REVERSES ITSELF, THAT IS OKAY BY THE
12:07:01 ADMINISTRATION MEANING IF THE MAYOR MADE THE
12:07:04 RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL CONFIRMED IT.
12:07:07 EITHER ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS WORK FOR THE
12:07:11 ADMINISTRATION IN SUPPORT OF THE CRB, BUT I WILL ALSO
12:07:13 SAY JUST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
12:07:18 THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, THE MAYOR SUPPORTED THE SEAT
12:07:20 FROM THE NAACP.
12:07:24 I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, BUT WE CAME IN WITH
12:07:28 A 5-5-1 OPTION AND THE SECOND READING REQUESTS FOR
12:07:31 SUBSTITUTIONS ON THE 7-4, BUT THE ADMINISTRATION
12:07:35 SPECIFICALLY SUPPORTS THE 5-5-1 OPTION AND EITHER THE
12:07:38 RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL APPROVAL FROM MAYOR ON THE
12:07:42 ONE, IDEALLY FROM THE NAACP OR THE REVERSE WHERE IT IS
12:07:45 RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND CONFIRMED BY COUNCIL.
12:07:46 EITHER WAY IS FINE.
12:07:47 THANK YOU.
12:07:53 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM
12:07:53 YOU.
12:07:55 BILL CARLSON: I AM THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOTION FOR
12:07:56 THE 7-4.
12:07:59 SO I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THAT.
12:08:01 NOW TWO OTHER OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
12:08:04 BUT I WANTED TO ASK MR. MIRANDA, BASED ON ALL THE
12:08:08 THINGS YOU SAID, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TODAY THAT WE --
12:08:12 THAT WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON A -- ON A 4-3 VOTE OR A
12:08:13 5-2 VOTE.
12:08:15 DO YOU THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A -- YOU SAID
12:08:19 THAT THE MAYOR TYPICALLY WOULD NOT CHALLENGE, BUT IS IT
12:08:24 IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE FIVE VOTES OR FOUR VOTES.
12:08:28 CHARLIE MIRANDA: A FIVE VOTE, A 5-2 VOTE MEAN THAT
12:08:35 YOU -- YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE THE POWER OF STRENGTH OF
12:08:38 NUMBERS THAT THE MAYOR CANNOT OVERRIDE.
12:08:42 BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAYOR OR WHOEVER THE MAYOR
12:08:44 WILL OVERRIDE A 4-3 VOTE.
12:08:46 SO FOR THE PROCESS IN MY MIND.
12:08:49 THE PROCESS TO FIND OUT WHOEVER THE MAYOR MAY BE AT
12:08:52 THAT TIME BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO LAST FOR A YEAR OR
12:08:56 TWO OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, IF IT IS A 4-3.
12:08:57 IT STILL PASSES.
12:08:59 IF IT IS A 5-2, IT PASSES.
12:09:04 DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE MAYOR -- THE MAYOR MAYBE OBJECT
12:09:08 TO 5-2 BECAUSE NEVER BROUGHT TO THAT MAYOR'S ATTENTION
12:09:11 TO VOTE YEA OR NAY.
12:09:14 UP UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS SAYING BUT AHEAD OF THE TIME
12:09:16 BECAUSE NEVER GAVE THE POSITION OF THE MAYOR THE RIGHT
12:09:18 TO REJECT WHAT THE COUNCIL DID.
12:09:21 I AM MAKING ASSUMPTION IF IT COMES BACK, IT WILL STAY
12:09:22 5-2.
12:09:25 THAT IS THE ONLY THING I AM THINKING OF.
12:09:26 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:09:28 BILL CARLSON: I CAN TALK FOR A LONG TIME BUT TWO
12:09:30 OTHER QUICK THINGS.
12:09:36 ONE, I WANT TO SAY TO ALL THE PARTIES I APPRECIATE
12:09:37 THEIR COLLABORATION ON THIS.
12:09:40 AS I MENTIONED BEFORE I SET UP A MEETING WITH SEVERAL
12:09:44 GROUPS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND HAPPENED TO
12:09:48 BE ON THE SAME DAY THE MAYOR MADE HER ANNOUNCEMENT ON
12:09:51 THE FIRST REVISION AND THAT ALREADY WAS AN IMPROVEMENT,
12:09:54 BUT THE MAYOR ALLOWED US TO HAVE THAT NEGOTIATION
12:09:56 DISCUSSION THAT AFTERNOON EVEN THOUGH SHE HAD JUST HAD
12:09:58 A PRESS CONFERENCE.
12:10:03 THANK MR. BENNETT, THE MAYOR, MISS GRIMES AND OTHERS
12:10:06 AND ALL THE PARTIES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE GONE
12:10:06 THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
12:10:10 NOBODY IS HAPPY.
12:10:12 NOBODY IS HAPPY ON EITHER SIDE.
12:10:14 EVERYBODY IS UPSET WITH US BUT I WANT TO APPRECIATE IN
12:10:18 AND HOWEVER WE END UP TODAY, I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THAT
12:10:18 PROCESS.
12:10:21 AND ALSO, WE HAVE -- FOR EVERYBODY WHO IS WATCHING,
12:10:23 THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THIS.
12:10:25 I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A RED LINE FROM THE ORIGINAL
12:10:26 VERSION.
12:10:28 IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED
12:10:31 AS AN ACTIVIST SIX YEARS AGO.
12:10:33 IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL
12:10:35 VERSION BY THE WAY IT WAS CREATED, WHICH WAS NOT GOOD
12:10:36 FOR THE COMMUNITY.
12:10:38 IT WAS VERY DIVISIVE.
12:10:41 AND THIS HAS BEEN -- I THINK IT HAS BEEN HEATED AT
12:10:45 TIMES BUT A VERY GOOD COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, AND
12:10:48 WHATEVER WE END UP WITH TODAY WON'T BE PERFECT BUT WE
12:10:50 CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK OR
12:10:54 NEED TO MAKE OTHER TWEAKS AND CHANGES IN THE FUTURE WE
12:10:55 CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
12:10:57 THANK YOU.
12:10:58 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO.
12:11:00 GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO CLARIFY.
12:11:03 I THINK I CONFUSED THE CONVERSATION HERE, BUT I AM NOT
12:11:04 CREATING A THIRD OPTION.
12:11:10 THERE IS A 5-5, AND THAT ONE BY NAACP.
12:11:13 WHY DOES THAT NAACP NEED TO BE CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.
12:11:17 IS IT NOT GOOD -- IF THE NAACP SAY THIS IS WHO WE
12:11:21 NOMINATED OR WANT TO APPOINT TO THE BOARD, COUNCIL, WE
12:11:24 CAN GET YOUR APPROVAL LIKE WE APPROVE A DEPARTMENT
12:11:27 HEAD, POLICE CHIEF, CONTRACT OR WHATEVER.
12:11:29 IT DOESN'T GO TO MAYOR FOR APPROVAL.
12:11:33 NAACP SAYS, YOU KNOW PERSON WHATEVER, COUNCIL APPROVES
12:11:34 IT.
12:11:34 AND THAT'S IT.
12:11:38 NOT A THIRD OPTION, JUST A CAVEAT.
12:11:43 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT.
12:11:47 YES, SIR?
12:11:49 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
12:11:52 TO THAT POINT, WE LEFT ON MONDAY WITH THE AGREEMENT
12:11:56 THAT COUNCIL WOULD NOMINATE THE POSITION FROM WHETHER
12:11:59 IT WAS NAACP, WHICH THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED SOME TIME
12:12:02 BACK AND HAS BEEN BAKED INTO THIS FROM THE BEGINNING
12:12:06 AND THEN COUNCIL PROVIDED THE OTHER OPTION FOR A CIVIL
12:12:10 LIBERTY GROUP FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP WHICH WE WERE
12:12:15 AMENABLE TO AND AMENABLE OF THE MAYOR NOMINATING AND
12:12:18 COUNCIL NOMINEE AND APPROVAL BUT THAT BALANCE STILL
12:12:18 REMAINS.
12:12:23 5-5-1 WITH EITHER COUNCIL NOMINATING, MAYOR APPROVING
12:12:27 OR MAYOR NOMINATING AND COUNCIL APPROVING.
12:12:28 NOT JUST ONE SIDE.
12:12:31 WE WANT FOR A COMPLETELY BALANCED UNBIASED BOARD WITH
12:12:33 PROGRESSION AND WE BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT WE SUBMITTED
12:12:35 FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW.
12:12:36 THANK YOU.
12:12:39 ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME ASK YOU THIS TO YOU, MR.
12:12:40 BENNETT.
12:12:42 I AM HEARING FROM COUNCILMEMBERS.
12:12:47 TRYING TO BE THE PEACEMAKER FOR BOTH SIDES TO KEEP THE
12:12:50 BALANCE.
12:12:53 AND I DO RESPECT THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION TO --
12:13:00 ABOUT THE -- THE SWITCHEROO ON THAT LAST -- THAT ONE
12:13:02 OPTION.
12:13:06 BUT MR. MANISCALCO DOES MAKE A POINT.
12:13:12 AND IT IS NOT TOO UNBALANCED TO BOARD AT ALL.
12:13:18 BUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS AMENABLE SAYING THE NAACP
12:13:24 IS THE PERSON, AND THEY SELECT THAT -- THEY -- THIS
12:13:27 BODY CONFIRM THAT PERSON, REALLY -- WHAT IS THE
12:13:31 LIKELIHOOD THE MAYOR WILL NOT GO WITH THE
12:13:32 RECOMMENDATION OF THAT PERSON.
12:13:34 I GO BACK TO MR. MIRANDA.
12:13:37 IF WE SAY 7-0 PEOPLE SAY THIS IS THE PERSON FROM THE
12:13:41 NAACP, I DON'T THINK THE MAYOR.
12:13:43 WHY WOULD THEY NOT GIVE THAT RECOMMENDATION OF
12:13:44 APPROVAL.
12:13:46 THAT A BARGAINING CHIP?
12:13:49 I COULDN'T MANAGE IN A MAYOR WOULDN'T CONFIRM THAT
12:13:52 POSITION, BUT AGAIN A FORMALITY TO KEEP THE BALANCE.
12:13:55 AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE AGREEMENT WAS ON MONDAY
12:13:58 WHETHER SHE RECOMMENDS COUNCIL CONFIRMS OR THE OTHER
12:13:59 WAY AROUND.
12:14:03 AND SHE IS THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED THE NAACP BE PART OF
12:14:05 THAT 11TH POSITION.
12:14:07 SO I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT A STANDING MEMBER OR A MEMBER
12:14:12 OF GOOD STANDING OF THE NAACP WOULDN'T ACHIEVE HER
12:14:16 CONFIRMATION FROM COUNCIL, JUST A WAY TO MAKE SURE --
12:14:19 AGAIN, I THINK ONE THING -- AND I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO
12:14:22 GET INTO PHILOSOPHY THIS MORNING BECAUSE WE ARE BUSY,
12:14:25 BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SENSE OF BALANCE HERE IS --
12:14:27 THERE HAS BEEN TIMES WHERE IT IS SAID, WHAT HAPPENS IF
12:14:32 THIS MAYOR COMES INTO OFFICE AND TIMES IT SAYS WHAT IF
12:14:34 THIS COUNCIL COMES -- THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE BALT.
12:14:37 IT LIVES IN A CONSISTENT STATE OF BALANCE TO PROTECT
12:14:43 THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
12:14:44 I SAID IT MONDAY.
12:14:49 THE MAYOR MOVED FROM A 7-4 PURPOSELY TO THE 5-5-1 TO
12:14:51 CREATE THAT BALANCE AND ALL I AM ASKING TO CLOSE IT OUT
12:14:56 TODAY IS WHATEVER THE COUNCIL'S WISHES AS FAR AS FIRST
12:14:59 AND SECOND READING TO MAINTAIN THAT BALANCE AND IF
12:15:04 COUNCIL RECOMMENDS, MAYOR CONFIRMS, MAYOR RECOMMENDS,
12:15:07 COUNCIL CONFIRMS, IT DIDN'T MATTER TO US.
12:15:09 JUST AS IT DIDN'T MATTER SOCIAL JUSTICE OR CIVIL
12:15:13 LIBERTIES BUT THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED NAACP AS A PREMIERE
12:15:15 ORGANIZATION TO SUPPORT THE CRB.
12:15:19 SO IN THE SPIRIT OF IT, I CAN'T EVER FIGURE THAT THIS
12:15:22 MAYOR OR ANY OTHER MAYOR WOULDN'T JUST CONFIRM THE
12:15:25 NOMINATION, BUT TO KEEP THINGS IN A PERFECTLY BALANCED
12:15:30 ECOSYSTEM, THE ADMINISTRATION STANDS BY THE BALANCE --
12:15:33 THE BALANCE OF THAT ORDINANCE.
12:15:35 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:15:37 LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:15:39 WHEN I SPOKE ON THIS ISSUE THERE WAS CONCERN THE MAYOR
12:15:41 IS CONFIRMING THIS.
12:15:44 I SAID WHAT IF THERE IS CONSULTATION OF THE MAYOR AND
12:15:45 CITY COUNCIL CONFIRMS IT.
12:15:50 I THINK CREATING -- GOSH ALMIGHTY, THIS REMINDS ME OF
12:15:51 THE LEGAL PRACTICE WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO SETTLE THE
12:15:56 CASE AND 99.9% AND END UP SPENDING 100% OF THE NEXT
12:15:57 WEEK ON .1%.
12:16:00 I DON'T WANT TO GO IN A RABBIT HOLE HERE AT ALL WHICH
12:16:02 WE ARE AT RISK OF DOING.
12:16:05 WHAT I WAS SAYING IS CONFIRM BY CITY COUNCIL IN
12:16:08 CONSULTATION OF THE MAYOR, NEARLY REVERSE GOING.
12:16:11 NOT NECESSARILY CREATING A THIRD OPTION THAT WILL KEEP
12:16:13 US HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
12:16:15 I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK
12:16:17 THAT IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO.
12:16:21 BUT JUST MY VIEW.
12:16:26 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER.
12:16:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: AS YOU SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, TRYING TO
12:16:30 GET A CONSENSUS.
12:16:33 MAYBE I CAN -- MAYBE I CAN PUT TOGETHER A MOTION.
12:16:35 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY.
12:16:35 I AM NOT.
12:16:37 YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY, I AM NOT.
12:16:39 JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME SEE IF I CAN PUT TOGETHER A
12:16:42 MOTION THAT GATHERS A CONSENSUS.
12:16:49 SO I WILL MOVE THAT -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION BASICALLY
12:16:54 -- IT'S A MODIFIED 5-5-1.
12:17:04 AS MR. MANISCALCO STATED THE 5 AND THE 5 IS JUST, YOU
12:17:05 KNOW STRAIGHTFORWARD.
12:17:11 AND THE SINGLE POSITION WOULD BE A NAACP POSITION THAT
12:17:18 THEY CAN NOMINATE TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE WILL APPROVE
12:17:20 IT BY RESOLUTION.
12:17:23 THAT IS THE 11TH POSITION.
12:17:24 GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL SECOND THAT.
12:17:27 AND REMEMBER WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS
12:17:29 DISAGREED WITH A 5-2 VOTE.
12:17:33 I CAN'T SAY HOW WOULD A MAYOR NOT VOTE FOR THIS OR NOT
12:17:34 APPROVE FOR THAT.
12:17:37 WE ARE AT A STALEMATE AND WE ARE HERE IN A NEGOTIATION.
12:17:39 I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
12:17:43 THE 5-5 WITH THE ONE YOU DESCRIBED AS THE NAACP.
12:17:45 ORLANDO GUDES: REPEAT THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER.
12:17:48 JOHN DINGFELDER: FIVE APPOINTMENTS BY THE MAYOR,
12:17:52 FIVE APPOINTMENTS BY COUNCIL, AND THE 11TH APPOINTMENT
12:17:59 WOULD BE NOMINATED BY THE LOCAL NAACP BOARD, PROVIDED
12:18:04 TO US, CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE IT
12:18:06 BY RESOLUTION.
12:18:10 GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXACTLY, SECOND.
12:18:12 LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
12:18:14 DON'T THROW OFF THE BALANCE HERE.
12:18:17 DOES THAT HAVE ANY CONSULTATION WITH ANY OTHER OFFICE
12:18:20 OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE IN TERMS OF THE MAKER OF THE
12:18:22 MOTION?
12:18:24 JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM --
12:18:26 LUIS VIERA: LIKE WITH -- IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE --
12:18:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEAN IN CONSULTATION WITH THE
12:18:31 NAACP.
12:18:33 THEY ARE GOING TO NOMINATE SOMEBODY.
12:18:36 LUIS VIERA: AND WE APPROVE IT.
12:18:39 JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY SEND IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE
12:18:41 PRIV.BY RESOLUTION.
12:18:42 WE APPROVE IT BY RESOLUTION.
12:18:44 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:18:49 BILL CARLSON: THE PART YOU LEFT OUT WAS THE MAYOR
12:18:50 IMPROVING IT.
12:18:51 WAS THAT INTENTIONAL.
12:18:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: I HATE TO INSCRIBE ANY INTENT TO
12:18:56 ANYBODY.
12:18:58 IT IS WHAT IT IS AS WE SAY.
12:18:59 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
12:19:02 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR COUNCIL'S CLARITY, THAT ALSO
12:19:06 THE APPOINTMENT OF THE MEMBER OF THE NAACP IS DIFFERENT
12:19:08 THAN WHAT YOUR ORDINANCE PRESENTLY READS.
12:19:12 IT STATES AS FOLLOWS: ONE OF WHICH SHALL BE A MEMBER
12:19:16 OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF
12:19:18 COLORED PEOPLE, NAACP.
12:19:21 IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING -- IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING
12:19:22 ABOUT --
12:19:25 JOHN DINGFELDER: I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. SHELBY.
12:19:27 AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
12:19:31 A MEMBER OF THE NAACP AS RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD OF
12:19:35 THE NAACP AND PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL AND THIS COUNCIL
12:19:39 WILL APPROVE THAT OR SEND IT BACK IF WE DON'T APPROVE
12:19:44 IT, WE WOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE NAACP.
12:19:46 AND TELL THEM TO SEND US ANOTHER ONE.
12:19:49 I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT THEY SEND US.
12:19:53 THIS IS INHERENT IN OUR VOTE, BUT THAT WOULD BE BY
12:19:55 RESOLUTION.
12:19:58 GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
12:20:01 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. DINGFELDER.
12:20:02 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
12:20:05 MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR DISCUSSION.
12:20:06 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BENNETT WANTS
12:20:07 TO SPEAK.
12:20:08 HE SPRUNG UP.
12:20:11 HE MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THE MIC.
12:20:13 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT.
12:20:15 AS I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, I WOULD AGREE WITH
12:20:17 EVERYTHING EXCEPT LEAVING THE MAYOR OUT OF THE
12:20:22 CONFIRMATION BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT A DEFAULT 6-5.
12:20:28 CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS A BIT.
12:20:34 THIS IS LIKE COLOMBO CHASING A CASE, YOU WALK IN, WALK
12:20:37 OUT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND YOU ALREADY
12:20:37 FIGURED IT OUT.
12:20:40 SO THE MAYOR IS GOING TO RECOMMEND AND WE ARE GOING TO
12:20:43 CONFIRM BY RESOLUTION --
12:20:46 JOHN DINGFELDER: NO OPINION THAT IS NOT THE MOTION.
12:20:48 CHARLIE MIRANDA: GOTCHA.
12:20:53 SEE THAT COLOMBO.
12:20:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHERE IS YOUR RAINCOAT.
12:20:58 CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN THE OLD CAR THAT I DRIVE.
12:21:01 ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE YOU CLARIFY, LET ME MAKE ONE
12:21:04 POINT, BECAUSE MR. BENNETT KEEPS POPPING UP.
12:21:07 JUST HOW WE ARE MEETING HERE WITH THAT LAST
12:21:15 APPOINTMENT, WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT OF US -- I MEAN, THAT
12:21:19 LAST PERSON.
12:21:22 WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT?
12:21:25 WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT OF US MEET.
12:21:28 JOHN DINGFELDER: SHE IS NOT PART OF OUR LEGISLATIVE
12:21:30 BODY.
12:21:32 ORLANDO GUDES: A DISCUSSION -- KEEP THE BALANCE FROM
12:21:33 THE ADMINISTRATION.
12:21:35 I KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING.
12:21:38 JUST THROWING THAT AT YOU, SIR.
12:21:39 MR. VIERA?
12:21:42 LUIS VIERA: I MEAN --
12:21:43 ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO BRING THIS FOR A LANDING.
12:21:47 LUIS VIERA: I AGREE.
12:21:50 SUCH A TINY ISSUE ON CONSULTATION.
12:21:52 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE SELF-DEFEATING.
12:21:54 A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS?
12:21:56 JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK THAT IS HEALTHY.
12:21:56 I DON'T KNOW.
12:21:59 I MEAN BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD WONDER WHY ARE WE
12:22:00 RECESSING.
12:22:05 ARE WE RECESSING TO TALK WITH EACH OTHER?
12:22:09 LUIS VIERA: NO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
12:22:11 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT?
12:22:13 JOHN DINGFELDER: A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND CLARIFY
12:22:15 IT TO MR. MIRANDA.
12:22:18 MR. MIRANDA, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THAT -- THAT
12:22:24 11TH SEAT, THE NAACP BOARD SELECTS ONE OF THEIR NAACP
12:22:25 MEMBERS.
12:22:28 THEY SEND THAT OVER AS THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO US.
12:22:33 AND WE WOULD APPROVE IT OR DENY IT BY RESOLUTION ONLY.
12:22:34 OKAY.
12:22:39 IF WE DENY IT, WE WILL ASK THEM TO SEND ANOTHER NAME.
12:22:40 AND THAT'S IT.
12:22:44 THAT IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND.
12:22:45 CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME ASK THIS IF I MAY.
12:22:49 AND I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR MOTIVE, MR. DINGFELDER.
12:22:50 SO JUST BY NAME.
12:22:54 ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION OF THAT PERSON?
12:22:56 JOHN DINGFELDER: THE PERSON HAS TO QUALIFY BY ALL
12:23:00 THE OTHER CHARACTER STACKS THAT ARE IN MISS GRIMES.
12:23:03 THE ORDINANCE THAT MISS GRIMES HAS PUT FORTH.
12:23:05 ALL THOSE OTHER CHARACTERISTICS.
12:23:07 CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOW WE ARE GOING INTO THE INTERNAL
12:23:10 OPERATION OF AN AGENCY THAT WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH.
12:23:13 THEY REPRESENT THE PUBLIC JUST LIKE WE DO.
12:23:16 BUT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.
12:23:20 AND THE BOARD VOTES ON IT AS I HEARD EARLIER FROM THIS
12:23:20 COUNCIL.
12:23:23 WHOEVER THEY RECOMMEND WOULD BE THE ACCEPTABLE PARTY.
12:23:25 NOW WE ARE SAYING WE MAY NOT ACCEPT THE ACCEPTABLE
12:23:29 PARTY BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON AND IT HAVEN'T BEEN
12:23:31 ELABORATED WHAT THE REASON IS.
12:23:33 WE REJECT THE PARTY.
12:23:36 BUT BEFORE IT WAS THE MAYOR MAKING A CHOICE AND THAT IS
12:23:36 CONFIRMING.
12:23:41 NOW IT IS -- WHY DO WE CONVOLUTE -- ORDERING SPAGHETTI
12:23:44 AND GETTING A FILET MIGNON.
12:23:46 YOU GET WHAT YOU ORDER.
12:23:48 WHAT ARE WE ORDERING HERE?
12:23:50 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT.
12:23:53 I REALLY BELIEVE WITH A FULL HEARTFELT INTEREST IN
12:23:57 EVERY PARTY ARE BOTH LEGISLATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE BODIES,
12:24:01 EXECUTIVE BODY AND THE PUBLIC AND SPECIAL INTEREST
12:24:03 GROUP, IF IT WAS CHANNELLED AS A RECOMMENDATION THROUGH
12:24:06 THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND COUNCIL CONFIRMED IT, WOULD YOU
12:24:09 SEND UP IN THE SAME THING -- END UP IN THE SAME THING
12:24:12 WITH THE BALANCED APPROACH OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO
12:24:15 WITH THE CRB AND IT ACTUALLY IS VERY ORGANIC AND FULLY
12:24:17 TRANSPARENT.
12:24:19 WOULDN'T BE LIKE COUNCIL DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A
12:24:21 RECOMMENDATION OF THAT NAME, BUT JUST BE CONFIRMED BY
12:24:26 -- AND -- AND RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL
12:24:26 CONFIRMS IT.
12:24:30 IT DOES REVERSE WHAT WE TALKED WITH MONDAY BUT GIVES
12:24:33 COUNCIL THE FINAL SAY TO PUT THAT PERSON ON THE BOARD
12:24:35 AND I THINK THE MAYOR, ALL THEY ARE DOING IS FORWARDING
12:24:39 THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE NAACP TO DOWN MAKE THE
12:24:40 CONFIRMATION.
12:24:44 AND THIS CREATES THE BALANCE WITH THE COUNCIL HAVING
12:24:48 THE FINAL -- FINAL CONFIRMATION OF THE PERSON ON THE
12:24:49 NAACP.
12:24:53 IT SEEMS MORE LIKE A PROCESS TO ME THAT ENDS IN THE
12:24:54 SAME RESULT.
12:24:56 ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW MR. VIERA.
12:24:58 THEN MR. CARLSON.
12:25:00 LUIS VIERA: THAT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH
12:25:05 MY COMMENT THAT THE FINAL RESTS WITH TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
12:25:06 ON THAT VOTE.
12:25:10 NOT ANY RADICAL, YOU KNOW, DEPARTURE FROM WHAT OUR
12:25:11 MONDAY AGREEMENT IS.
12:25:13 THAT IS WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT.
12:25:16 MONDAY, WE HAD TWO OPTIONS, AND NOW WE ARE GOING OFF
12:25:18 AND THIS IS GOING TO GO ON A TRAIN RIDE I DON'T THINK
12:25:24 ANY OF US INTENDED TO GO ON.
12:25:28 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, ASAW YOUR HAND.
12:25:31 BILL CARLSON: I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MR. DINGFELDER.
12:25:34 IF THE REST OF YOU GOT CALLS LIKE I GOT UNTIL 11:00
12:25:36 LAST NIGHT.
12:25:39 I AM BEEN GETTING THEM NONSTOP FROM EVERYBODY.
12:25:42 THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTED BY THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE THIS
12:25:45 MORNING WANT -- THEY FEEL LIKE THEY COMPROMISED WAY
12:25:47 MORE THAN THE OTHER SIDE.
12:25:52 AND THEY FEEL LIKE 7-4 IS A HUGE COMPROMISE AS THEY
12:25:56 SAID IN SOME OTHER CITIES THE MAYOR HAS ONE OR TWO
12:26:00 APPOINTMENTS AND 7-4, THERE WOULD BE FOUR.
12:26:02 THEY ARE AGAINST A 5-5-5.
12:26:07 THE PART I CAN'T SPEAK FOR YOU BUT I IMAGINE IS, IF --
12:26:14 IF IT -- IF THE CITY COUNCIL IS CONFIRMING THE NAACP,
12:26:19 THEN AT LEAST IT -- IT IN A WAY GIVES THE COMMUNITY ONE
12:26:19 MORE VOTE.
12:26:21 IT IS NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
12:26:25 THE COMMUNITY WOULD RATHER HAVE 7-4 AND ALL THE OTHER
12:26:28 THINGS THEY ASKED FOR OR 9-2 OR SOMETHING.
12:26:34 ANYWAY, IT'S -- IF -- IF WE WERE -- IF WE ARE GOING TO
12:26:38 MAKE EVERYBODY UNHAPPY WHATEVER WE DO, BUT THAT -- IF
12:26:41 THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT, IT WOULD -- IT WOULD LIKE
12:26:45 THE COMMUNITY SLIGHTLY MORE HAPPY THAN JUST 5-5-1.
12:26:48 ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO BE HONEST JUST HEARING
12:26:51 THE DISCUSSIONS AND HEARING EVERYBODY TALK, I DON'T SEE
12:26:53 A 7-4 PASSING.
12:26:54 HEARING THE COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
12:26:59 I DO HEAR THE 5-5 AND THE 1.
12:27:07 WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCIL APPOINTING THE ONE.
12:27:10 I DO HEAR THAT.
12:27:12 SO THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER.
12:27:15 MADAM CLERK.
12:27:18 CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER.
12:27:20 DINGFELDER MADE THE MOTION AND MANISCALCO SECONDED.
12:27:22 CLERK: YES.
12:27:23 IT IS -- HOLD ON.
12:27:24 LET ME GO BACK.
12:27:29 A MEMBER OF THE NAACP RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD OF THE
12:27:33 -- OF THE NAACP AND COUNCIL DOES NOT APPROVE, THEN IT
12:27:35 WOULD BE SENT BACK WITH THE REQUEST WITH ANOTHER
12:27:40 RECOMMENDATION AND IT WILL BE APPROVED BY A RESOLUTION.
12:27:41 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:27:43 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:27:46 JOHN DINGFELDER: JOE, WOULD YOU -- WERE YOU LOOKING
12:27:46 TO TALK?
12:27:49 BECAUSE I ALREADY TALKED ONCE OR TWICE.
12:27:50 THAT'S OKAY.
12:27:51 JOHN DINGFELDER: I WANTED TO REINFORCE WHAT MR. CARLSON
12:27:52 SAID.
12:27:53 I WAS PREPARED TO COME HERE TODAY TO SAY LET'S PASS THE MAY
12:27:58 VOTE, WHICH WAS 7-4-1, THAT HAD FIVE VOTES.
12:28:06 THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TODAY IS A SIGNIFICANT COMPROMISE
12:28:11 FROM THE 7-4-1 THAT FIVE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL VOTED FOR
12:28:16 IN MAY.
12:28:16 I'M STATING THAT FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR, BUT I'M ALSO
12:28:21 STATING THAT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR,
12:28:25 AND WE DIDN'T AGREE ON ANYTHING ON MONDAY.
12:28:29 WE PUT OTHER IDEAS ON THE TABLE TO BRING BACK TODAY, BUT
12:28:32 THERE WAS NO HARD AND FAST VOTE.
12:28:34 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE CORRECT.
12:28:35 YOU'RE CORRECT.
12:28:36 JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
12:28:39 ANYWAY, I AM PERSONALLY RECEIVING FROM THE 7-4-1, AND I'M
12:28:43 WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS COMPROMISE OF THE 5-5-1 AS MODIFIED
12:28:48 TODAY.
12:28:53 JOHN BENNETT: TRUST ME, I'M NOT TRYING TO HAVE THE LAST
12:28:56 WORD.
12:28:57 I WILL SAY THAT THE MAYOR WENT FROM 7-4 TO 5-5-1.
12:29:01 SHE DID THE SAME THING TO INITIATE THE BALANCE OF THE BOARD.
12:29:04 I ALSO WANT TO SAY, AND I APPRECIATE MR. CARLSON RECOGNIZING
12:29:07 THAT, THAT THIS ENTIRE THING IS BALANCED ON A RIP AND
12:29:11 REPLACE FROM THE PREVIOUS SIX YEARS TO GIVE A NEW START IN A
12:29:15 VERY BALANCED, UNBIASED AND PROGRESSIVE WAY.
12:29:18 I KEEP USING THOSE THREE WORDS.
12:29:21 THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS A 6-5, AND IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY
12:29:24 THE ADMINISTRATION.
12:29:31 JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
12:29:32 I CALL THE QUESTION.
12:29:38 MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME.
12:29:38 IF YOU'RE CALLING THE QUESTION, I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT.
12:29:42 JOHN DINGFELDER: I HEAR YOUR PROCEDURAL CONCERNS.
12:29:45 MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
12:29:47 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
12:29:48 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE ARE READY TO VOTE ON SOMETHING MR.
12:29:51 DINGFELDER JUST SPOKE ABOUT, AM I CORRECT?
12:29:53 WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE 6-5, RIGHT?
12:29:56 IF I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, THAT MOTION TAKES OVER THE
12:30:00 CURRENT MOTION ON THE FLOOR, AM I CORRECT?
12:30:05 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, MR. SHELBY.
12:30:07 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE, AND I WILL CONFIRM ROBERT'S
12:30:09 RULES OF ORDER CAN ENTERTAIN A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
12:30:13 THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION DOES REQUIRE A SECOND, AND THAT DOES
12:30:17 REQUIRE A VOTE WHETHER TO TAKE UP THE SUBSTITUTION.
12:30:20 IF THE SUBSTITUTION PASSES, THEN THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS
12:30:23 REPLACED.
12:30:23 AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT'S NOT SUBSTITUTED.
12:30:26 I JUST HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP.
12:30:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
12:30:30 CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO SUBSTITUTE THE
12:30:33 DOCUMENT LABELED EXHIBIT A, 6.17.21, WHICH IS THE NAACP
12:30:43 CLEAR FOR EXHIBIT A, CURRENTLY ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE
12:30:46 LISTED AS ITEM 64 ON TODAY'S COUNCIL, JUNE 17th AGENDA, TO
12:30:55 MOVE TO SUBSTITUTE REVISION FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH THE ONE BEING
12:31:02 FROM THE NAACP, CONFIRMED BY THIS COUNCIL, APPROVED BY THE
12:31:07 MAYOR.
12:31:11 ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. CITRO.
12:31:13 MR. SHELBY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AND WE'LL GO TO MR. VIERA.
12:31:17 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, IT'S
12:31:20 CALLED AMEND A PENDING MOTION THAT THE SUBSIDIARY MOTION.
12:31:25 IT DOES REQUIRE A SECOND, IT HAS BEEN.
12:31:28 IF THE MOTION IS AMENDABLE, I BELIEVE IT'S DEBATABLE AS WELL
12:31:33 AND IT REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE FOR THAT.
12:31:36 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FOR FIRST READING MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:31:38 IF YOU PASS IT TODAY ON FIRST READING, TWO WEEKS MIGHT HAVE
12:31:48 THE SECOND READING.
12:31:49 IT IS THE SAME ONE.
12:31:50 SAME THING WE'VE DONE.
12:31:53 MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:31:55 NORMALLY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, BUT
12:32:00 BECAUSE OF COUNCIL'S SUMMER RECESS, THE SECOND READING, AND
12:32:03 THE CLERK CAN CONFIRM THAT, WOULD BE JULY 15th, AM I
12:32:06 CORRECT, MADAM CLERK?
12:32:08 THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.
12:32:10 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
12:32:20 JOHN BENNETT: GO ON THE RECORD, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO
12:32:23 POTENTIALLY CHANGE THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH A FIRST READING,
12:32:28 THE ADMINISTRATION DOES SUPPORT THAT.
12:32:31 HOWEVER, IF THERE WAS A FUTURE MOTION MADE THAT MADE IT
12:32:34 SECOND READING, WE WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THAT.
12:32:37 WE BELIEVE IT'S LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE.
12:32:42 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, IS THIS A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE FROM
12:32:44 THE FIRST READING?
12:32:45 I DON'T KNOW.
12:32:50 JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. GRIMES, CAN YOU CHIME IN?
12:32:52 MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
12:32:53 MS. GRIMES, CAN YOU CHIME IN WHETHER OR NOT MR. MIRANDA'S
12:32:58 SUBSTITUTE MOTION, ASSUMING IT PASSES, COULD BE ADOPTED
12:33:04 SECOND READING TODAY SINCE IT'S MERELY A CHANGE OF THE
12:33:07 EXHIBIT?
12:33:11 GINA GRIMES: YES, SIR.
12:33:11 WE COVERED THIS AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY, AS I SAID THEN,
12:33:15 THE CHANGE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING FROM 7-4 TO
12:33:19 5-5-1 COULD BE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE, BUT IT'S NOT IRONCLAD.
12:33:26 ANYTIME YOU MAKE A CHANGE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING,
12:33:29 YOU ALWAYS CREATE A RISK OF A CHALLENGE.
12:33:33 AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT MR. MIRANDA IS TRYING TO GET AT.
12:33:37 HE'S TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE RISK OF A CHALLENGE.
12:33:40 AND FOR THAT REASON, HE WANTS TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING.
12:33:45 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S RIGHT.
12:33:50 JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS MOTION BY
12:33:53 COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA IS FOR WHAT -- CONFIRMED BY CITY
12:33:57 COUNCIL WITH CONSULTATION, RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER YOU WANT
12:34:00 TO CALL IT WITH THE MAYOR, CORRECT?
12:34:03 CORRECT.
12:34:03 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A
12:34:05 FRIENDLY -- A VERY FRIENDLY MODIFICATION?
12:34:10 CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET'S SEE HOW FRIENDLY IT IS.
12:34:12 JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST DEAL WITH THE MEAT OF YOUR MOTION
12:34:15 AND PULL OUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FIRST OR SECOND READING,
12:34:19 AND LET'S VOTE ON THAT IF IT PASSES.
12:34:21 SO THAT WAY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO BE
12:34:24 DONE WITH THIS TODAY OR NOT AS A SEPARATE PART OF YOUR
12:34:27 MOTION.
12:34:27 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SORRY.
12:34:28 I MISSED IT.
12:34:29 TELL ME THAT AGAIN.
12:34:30 JOHN DINGFELDER: IF YOU JUST MAKE THE MOTION, THE
12:34:33 SUBSTANTIVE PART, BUT DELETE THE FIRST READING OR SECOND
12:34:37 READING PART, SO THAT WAY COUNCIL CAN VOTE ON THAT
12:34:42 SEPARATELY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK, WHO
12:34:45 WOULD BE GLAD TO BE DONE WITH THIS, EVEN IF THERE IS A
12:34:47 SLIGHT RISK.
12:34:49 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
12:34:50 BUT MY FEELING, MR. DINGFELDER, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH
12:34:53 THIS EXERCISE TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
12:34:56 AND I REALLY WANT TO NARROW IT DOWN TO WHERE THERE IS NO
12:34:59 RISK.
12:34:59 ANYTIME YOU TAKE A GAMBLE ON SOMETHING, WE SPENT A LONG
12:35:04 TIME.
12:35:05 THE PUBLIC HAS LISTENED TO THIS FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS, NOT
12:35:07 WEEKS, BUT MONTHS, AND THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE SOME
12:35:11 UNIFICATION, IF IT PASSES OR DOESN'T PASS.
12:35:17 THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THAT.
12:35:18 AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF US.
12:35:20 BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING -- YOU CAN'T EVEN GO TO A COFFEE
12:35:23 SHOP AND THEY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE.
12:35:26 IT IS WHAT IT IS.
12:35:27 I JUST WANT TO GET ALL THE RISK OUT.
12:35:31 TO SAY IT HAPPENED OR DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS WAY.
12:35:33 AND THAT'S ALL I WANT.
12:35:34 THE PUBLIC HAS HEARD THIS ENOUGH.
12:35:37 IT'S BEEN MORE LIKELY NATIONAL NEWS AS FAR AS WE KNOW.
12:35:40 IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH US AT LEAST FOR THE
12:35:45 END OF OUR TERM IN OFFICE.
12:35:47 BELIEVE ME, THESE WILL BE THINGS THAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT
12:35:49 DURING THE ELECTION.
12:35:50 THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND BECAUSE IT IS THE NERVE THAT
12:35:55 TOUCHES THE FEELINGS OF EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR OR
12:35:57 AGAINST.
12:35:57 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, SINCE MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT
12:36:00 WASN'T WELL RECEIVED, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION
12:36:05 ON TOP OF MR. MIRANDA'S SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WHICH IS JUST TO
12:36:09 TWEAK HIS SLIGHTLY AND SAY THAT IT WOULD BE SECOND READING
12:36:14 TODAY.
12:36:14 AND I'M JUST ASKING YOU PROCEDURALLY, CAN I MAKE A
12:36:18 SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON TOP OF A SUBSTITUTE MOTION?
12:36:21 I'M NOT TRYING TO ADDRESS THE MERITS OR THE SUBSTANCE OF THE
12:36:24 MOTION.
12:36:25 I'M JUST SAYING PROCEDURALLY, I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THAT WE
12:36:28 WANT SOME FINALITY TODAY.
12:36:30 THAT'S PURELY A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
12:36:36 CAN I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON A SUBSTITUTE MOTION?
12:36:43 MARTIN SHELBY: A SUBSTITUTE OF A SUBSTITUTE?
12:36:45 WELL, JUST FROM AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS HAPPENING
12:36:50 STANDPOINT, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.
12:36:54 AND IF MR. MASSEY IS THERE, MR. MASSEY IS WELL VERSED TO
12:36:58 BACK ME UP ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK OF
12:37:00 SOMETHING OF SUCH GREAT IMPORT TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE
12:37:04 ADMINISTRATION AND TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THE ANSWER WOULD BE TO
12:37:09 SEE IF THAT SUBSTITUTE PASSES, THAT SUBSTITUTE MAY BE
12:37:14 AMENDABLE AS WELL, AND THAT MIGHT BE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION.
12:37:17 I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE -- I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT WOULD
12:37:20 BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME TO HAVE A
12:37:22 SUBSIDIARY MOTION OF A SUBSIDIARY MOTION AND AT WHAT POINT
12:37:27 DOES THAT STOP?
12:37:28 I THINK YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
12:37:30 THAT'S MR. MIRANDA'S.
12:37:31 I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT UP.
12:37:32 IF HIS MOTION IS STILL IN NEED OF TWEAKING, THEN YOU CAN
12:37:36 MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND AND SEE IF THAT SUFFICES.
12:37:39 THAT WOULD BE MY BEST RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST THEN
12:37:41 EVERYBODY CAN FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
12:37:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S FINE.
12:37:44 YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOTION CAN BE RAISED AFTER, IF IT PASSES.
12:37:48 MARTIN SHELBY: IF IT PASSES.
12:37:49 THE KEY NOW, THAT MOTION OF MR. MIRANDA WILL TAKE -- THIS
12:37:53 VOTE IS DETERMINATIVE ABOUT WHICH OF THOSE TWO MOTIONS, THE
12:37:56 ORIGINAL OR MR. MIRANDA'S, WILL TAKE PRECEDENCE AND COME TO
12:37:59 THE FLOOR.
12:38:02 ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, READ THE MOTION AGAIN.
12:38:04 MR. MIRANDA.
12:38:06 SECONDED BY MR. CITRO.
12:38:07 THE CLERK: MOVE TO SUBSTITUTE REVISION FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH
12:38:11 THE 1 BEING THE NAACP TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND
12:38:15 CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.
12:38:22 BILL CARLSON: ARE WE VOTING TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT OR
12:38:24 ARE WE VOTING ON THE ACTUAL SUBSTANCE OF IT?
12:38:28 ORLANDO GUDES: SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY -- [INAUDIBLE]
12:38:31 BILL CARLSON: ARE WE VOTING TO APPROVE THAT WE WANT TO
12:38:33 VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR ARE WE VOTING FOR THE
12:38:36 SUBSTITUTE MOTION --
12:38:38 ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE]
12:38:42 MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE VOTING -- THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT
12:38:45 DISTINCTION.
12:38:45 YOU'RE VOTING NOT ON THE SUBSTANCE OF IT.
12:38:47 YOU ARE VOTING TO ACCEPT IT AS A SUBSTITUTION TO THE MOTION
12:38:48 THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR.
12:38:50 YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE THAT MOTION.
12:38:57 LUIS VIERA: I THINK THAT BOTH OF THESE WILL WIND UP HAVING
12:38:59 THE VERY SAME OUTCOME.
12:39:01 THAT'S WHAT FRUSTRATES ME.
12:39:02 BOTH OF THESE WILL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME.
12:39:05 IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS ONE, IT WILL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME
12:39:08 AS PART TWO.
12:39:09 THERE SEEMS TO BE A NARRATIVE AFTER MONDAY, BUT I THINK BOTH
12:39:12 OF THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME.
12:39:14 FRANKLY, THEY CAN HAVE THE SAME VOTES.
12:39:17 WHATEVER.
12:39:18 ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, I'M CALLING FOR THE ROLL CALL
12:39:20 VOTE.
12:39:22 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:39:24 LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:39:27 JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
12:39:32 GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
12:39:33 BILL CARLSON: NO.
12:39:34 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:39:35 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:39:37 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO,
12:39:40 AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
12:39:43 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS NOW THE MOTION ON THE
12:39:45 FLOOR.
12:39:53 JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK HIS MOTION JUST MOOTED MY MOTION.
12:39:57 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE MOTION BY THE SECOND ON THE
12:39:59 FLOOR.
12:39:59 WHO IS THE SECONDER OF THAT MOTION?
12:40:07 LUIS VIERA: I NEED TO TAKE A PHONE CALL.
12:40:09 IT'S 12:40.
12:40:11 CAN WE HAVE A QUICK RECESS FIVE MINUTES?
12:40:15 I NEED TO TAKE A PHONE CALL FOR WORK.
12:40:20 JOHN DINGFELDER: YOUR PHONE CALL FROM WORK.
12:40:21 IT'S WORK RELATED.
12:40:22 LUIS VIERA: LEGAL WORK.
12:40:26 ORLANDO GUDES: FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
12:40:29 [RECESS]
12:52:23 CHARACTER CLERK CARLSON?
12:52:24 BILL CARLSON: HERE.
12:52:25 GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
12:52:26 JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
12:52:27 JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
12:52:28 LUIS VIERA: HERE.
12:52:29 CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
12:52:30 ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
12:52:34 LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY QUICKLY, I MOVED MY CALL TO 1:30.
12:52:37 JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, 1:30, I'VE GOT TO JUST FOR A LITTLE
12:52:41 BIT.
12:52:44 MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
12:52:46 FOR THE SAKE OF BRINGING US BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, WILL THE
12:52:49 CLERK PLEASE STATE WHAT THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR AND WHO
12:52:53 MADE IT AND WHO SECONDED IT?
12:52:56 THE CLERK: THE MOTION WAS MADE BY MIRANDA AND SECONDED BY
12:52:59 CITRO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SUBSTITUTE REVISION OF THE
12:53:02 5-5-1 WITH THE 1 BEING THE NAACP BOARD MEMBER TO BE APPROVED
12:53:08 BY COUNCIL AND CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.
12:53:13 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DID WE DO PROCEDURALLY BEFORE?
12:53:18 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS IT.
12:53:19 TO TAKE YOUR MOTION OFF THE FLOOR, MR. DINGFELDER AND
12:53:22 REPLACE IT WITH MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION.
12:53:23 JOHN DINGFELDER: MY MOTION IS NOW OFF THE FLOOR?
12:53:27 MARTIN SHELBY: YES, IT IS.
12:53:29 IT WAS SUBSTITUTED.
12:53:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, MAYOR MAKES A RECOMMENDATION
12:53:34 AND THIS COUNCIL APPROVES --
12:53:36 THE CLERK: NO.
12:53:36 THE NAACP NOMINATES THEIR BOARD MEMBER, YOU APPROVE IT, AND
12:53:42 THEN THE MAYOR CONFIRMS IT.
12:53:47 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, I KNOW YOU HAVE A MOTION ON
12:53:50 THE FLOOR.
12:53:51 WOULD YOU BE AMENDABLE TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, SIR?
12:53:54 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M AMENABLE TO ANYTHING.
12:53:57 ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN BRING IT TO A LANDING.
12:53:59 CHARLIE MIRANDA: CLARITY.
12:54:01 WHERE WE RECOMMEND SOMETHING TO THE MAYOR, I HAVE YET SEEN
12:54:03 ONE MAYOR REJECT IT.
12:54:04 EVER.
12:54:05 JUST GIVE ME ONE.
12:54:11 ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD ASK A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
12:54:15 WE DO A SWITCH.
12:54:17 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU WANT ME TO READ AN ORDINANCE?
12:54:19 ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WE SWITCHED
12:54:23 TO WHERE THE MAYOR RECOMMENDS AND WE APPROVE.
12:54:25 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE.
12:54:28 MARTIN SHELBY: THE SECONDER -- I'M SORRY.
12:54:30 THAT WAS AN AMENDMENT AND A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE
12:54:32 MOTION.
12:54:33 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION AGREES
12:54:36 WITH THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON
12:54:39 THAT MOTION TO AMEND?
12:54:46 JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
12:54:46 MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
12:54:49 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.
12:54:50 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE.
12:54:51 I TAKE IT.
12:54:51 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA MADE THE MOTION.
12:54:53 MR. CITRO SECONDED IT.
12:54:55 YOU CAN HAVE THE GAVEL.
12:54:59 MARTIN SHELBY: UNLESS --
12:55:01 ORLANDO GUDES: I DID A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
12:55:02 HE ACCEPTED IT.
12:55:04 JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU JUST SECONDED IT.
12:55:07 HE'S ALL GOOD.
12:55:08 CHARLIE MIRANDA: RIGHT.
12:55:11 MARTIN SHELBY: THE SECONDER OF A MOTION IS?
12:55:14 ORLANDO GUDES: CITRO.
12:55:15 MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T HEAR ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL SO
12:55:18 THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS ACCEPTED.
12:55:19 ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
12:55:20 WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:55:22 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:55:26 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:55:27 LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:55:28 JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
12:55:30 GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
12:55:32 BILL CARLSON: NO.
12:55:33 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:55:36 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO, AND
12:55:40 CARLSON VOTING NO.
12:55:44 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIR, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED?
12:55:47 THANK YOU.
12:55:47 MADAM CLERK, THEN, THAT WAS A MOTION TO SUBSTITUTE EXHIBIT
12:55:51 A.
12:55:52 THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.
12:55:54 MARTIN SHELBY: SO NOW WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THEN IS THE
12:55:57 SUBSTITUTE VERSION.
12:55:59 AND DO YOU HAVE -- I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE A CLEAN COPY OF
12:56:02 EXHIBIT A YET, DO YOU?
12:56:04 THAT WAS JUST MADE.
12:56:08 AND -- OKAY.
12:56:09 SO THERE IS A CLEAN COPY.
12:56:11 AND IT WAS UP THERE.
12:56:14 NOW IT HAS TO BE CHANGED NOW, AND IT'S BEING WORKED ON BY
12:56:20 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND WILL BE BROUGHT DOWN, THE CLEAN
12:56:23 VERSION.
12:56:23 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO.
12:56:24 YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
12:56:25 JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, ON ANY ORDINANCE BEFORE US RIGHT
12:56:31 NOW -- I WISH TO STRIKE THE WORDS SOCIAL JUSTICE
12:56:35 ORGANIZATION AND INPUT THE NAACP, THAT THERE BE NO
12:56:44 DISCUSSION ON WHO IT IS GOING TO BE, BUT THE MEMBER THAT
12:56:47 WILL COME UP ON THAT ONE VOTE WILL BE FROM THE NAACP, IF I
12:56:53 MAY FINISH.
12:56:54 THAT I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THE NAACP WILL FIGHT
12:57:05 FOR ALL PEOPLES OF COLOR NO MATTER WHAT THE COLOR BE, AND
12:57:11 THEY WILL ALSO FIGHT JUST AS HARD FOR ANY SEXUAL ORIENTATION
12:57:17 OR ANY RELIGION.
12:57:19 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:57:27 MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:57:28 I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING I BELIEVE BY
12:57:32 MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION, AND I MAY BE WRONG, AND IT MAY REQUIRE
12:57:36 CLARIFICATION FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, BUT BY HIS MOTION,
12:57:39 I BELIEVE IT WENT BACK TO THE NAACP, WHICH REPLACES THE
12:57:44 LANGUAGE SOCIAL JUSTICE AND CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.
12:57:48 IT SHOULD BE BEING PREPARED RIGHT NOW BY THE LEGAL
12:57:50 DEPARTMENT.
12:57:51 WITH REGARD TO ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, JUST WANT TO
12:57:55 BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION GENERALLY IN D-1, NOW THE SECOND
12:57:59 PARAGRAPH STATES WHEN APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE CRB, THE
12:58:02 MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER THE EXISTING DIVERSITY
12:58:06 COMPOSITION OF THE CRB AND SHALL ENDEAVOR TO APPOINT
12:58:09 INDIVIDUALS FROM DIFFERENT RACIAL, ETHNIC, GENDER, NATIONAL
12:58:13 ORIGIN, SOCIOECONOMIC, AGE, OR RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS.
12:58:17 THAT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS DRAFTED, AND IT APPEARS IN
12:58:20 THIS ORDINANCE.
12:58:21 I THINK THAT ADDRESSES -- I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS YOUR
12:58:25 CONCERNS, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WISH TO ADD.
12:58:28 JOSEPH CITRO: WORD THERE WAS CONSIDER.
12:58:29 MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THAT'S THE WORD.
12:58:31 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:58:42 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS ASKING TO
12:58:44 BE RECOGNIZED.
12:58:45 ORLANDO GUDES: MS. ZELMAN.
12:58:49 ANDREA ZELMAN: THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF
12:58:51 WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE TO MATCH YOUR DIRECTIONS THIS
12:58:54 MORNING, AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK IN
12:58:58 MOMENTS.
12:59:05 BILL CARLSON: COULD THE CLERK OR SOMEBODY REPEAT BACK TO
12:59:08 US WITH ALL THE ADDITIONS AND CHANGES AND EVERYTHING SO THAT
12:59:10 WE AND THE PUBLIC KNOW CLEARLY WHAT THIS IS?
12:59:14 ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.
12:59:18 BILL CARLSON: NOT JUST THE LAST PART, BUT THE MOTION THAT
12:59:21 MR. MIRANDA MADE, THE AMENDMENT, AND THEN ALSO THIS PART SO
12:59:23 WE CAN KNOW WHAT IT IS IN TOTAL.
12:59:25 THE CLERK: OKAY.
12:59:26 WHAT I HAVE IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SUBSTITUTE REVISION
12:59:30 FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH NAACP NOMINATING MEMBER OF THEIR BOARD
12:59:37 AND THE MAYOR RECOMMENDS THAT PERSON AND COUNCIL WILL
12:59:44 APPROVE.
12:59:45 IN ADDITION, MARTY, COULD YOU CLARIFY THE REPLACEMENT OF THE
12:59:51 CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION WITH THE NAACP?
12:59:54 MARTIN SHELBY: THE SOCIAL JUSTICE AND -- THE SOCIAL
12:59:57 JUSTICE ORGANIZATION AND CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION,
12:59:59 REVERTING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS NAACP SET FORTH.
01:00:06 AND THEN THAT WOULD CLARIFY THAT.
01:00:10 BY THE WAY, COUNCIL, IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SUBSTITUTE
01:00:15 ACCEPTED, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE AND I JUST
01:00:20 WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF IT.
01:00:22 THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT DOWN FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SO
01:00:25 YOU WILL SEE THE LANGUAGE RIGHT THERE BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR
01:00:28 VOTE AS TO WHAT THE EXHIBIT IS SO YOU'RE CLEAR, EACH OF YOU.
01:00:33 WELL, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED OF WHETHER WE NEED TO WAIT
01:00:43 FOR IT.
01:00:43 HASN'T BEEN A PHYSICAL SUBSTITUTION.
01:00:45 YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN YOUR POSSESSION YET, DO YOU, MADAM
01:00:47 CLERK?
01:00:48 THE CLERK: I DO NOT.
01:00:52 MARTIN SHELBY: NORMALLY THE CLERK DOES ACCEPT A SUBSTITUTE
01:00:56 BEFORE COUNCIL VOTES ON THE SUBSTITUTE, IS THAT CORRECT?
01:01:00 THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.
01:01:02 MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IS BEST PRACTICE IN THIS CASE, MADAM
01:01:04 CLERK?
01:01:04 THE CLERK: MY SUGGESTION AT THIS TIME IS MAYBE TAKE A
01:01:08 BREAK AND ALLOW LEGAL TO CREATE THE DOCUMENT.
01:01:10 AND WHEN WE RECONVENE, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH
01:01:14 THE ORDINANCE AND WE'LL HAVE IT IN HAND.
01:01:16 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER
01:01:19 VIERA, I BELIEVE YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO LEAVE BY 1:30, IS THAT
01:01:22 CORRECT?
01:01:23 LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
01:01:25 WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT ALL DONE BY THEN.
01:01:27 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
01:01:28 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST PROCEDURALLY, IF I
01:01:31 COULD, SO THE ISSUE CAME UP EARLIER WHETHER OR NOT THIS
01:01:43 COUNCIL -- THIS COUNCIL WANTS THIS TO BE SECOND READING AND
01:01:47 BE DONE WITH IT TODAY OR DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS
01:01:51 ALL OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE WE WILL, OKAY, FOR SECOND READING IN
01:01:59 JULY.
01:01:59 I MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULT THAT WE END UP WITH
01:02:04 TODAY, BUT AS SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, PERHAPS THAT'S THE
01:02:08 RESULT OF NEGOTIATIONS AND ET CETERA, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU
01:02:13 THAT I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK IN JULY AND REHASH ALL THIS.
01:02:18 BUT IT WILL BE REHASHED AS LONG AS WE LEAVE THAT DOOR OPEN.
01:02:23 I THINK BOTH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND LEGAL COUNSEL UPSTAIRS
01:02:26 HAS SAID WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ON SECOND READING
01:02:29 BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A MAJOR CHANGE.
01:02:32 IT DID NOT CHANGE THE TITLE.
01:02:35 WE JUST TWEAKED UP AROUND THE EDGES.
01:02:37 AND THEREFORE, I WOULD URGE COUNCIL, AND I WOULD MAKE A
01:02:42 MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT THIS WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL ON SECOND
01:02:45 READING.
01:02:45 I MEAN, I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT I'M
01:02:52 GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO -- THAT WHATEVER WE MOVE FORWARD
01:02:56 WITH TODAY WE DO IT ON SECOND READING, AND I'D LIKE THAT AS
01:02:59 A SEPARATE VOTE AND A SEPARATE MOTION.
01:03:02 SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
01:03:05 GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SECOND THAT.
01:03:06 I THINK IT'S LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE
01:03:09 ALREADY DISCUSSED AT SECOND READING SHOULD BE SAFE AND FINE.
01:03:12 ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE] SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.
01:03:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:03:17 MARTIN SHELBY: CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT,
01:03:19 PLEASE?
01:03:23 LUIS VIERA: QUICK QUESTION TO MAKE SURE.
01:03:27 GLAD TO VOTE FOR THIS.
01:03:28 MAKE SURE WITH MS. GRIMES THAT GOING FORWARD ON SECOND
01:03:30 READING TODAY POSES NO --
01:03:36 JOHN DINGFELDER: [INAUDIBLE]
01:03:38 TINY RISK.
01:03:41 LUIS VIERA: I'M FINE WITH THAT.
01:03:48 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:03:51 BRIEFLY, GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON VERBIAGE.
01:03:55 WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON UNDERSTANDING.
01:03:57 WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH CHIEF BENNETT ON THE THIS,
01:04:02 THE THAT, AND THE OTHERS.
01:04:04 WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND
01:04:08 FULLY WHAT IS GOING ON.
01:04:10 WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT EVEN WATCHING THIS THAT WANT TO
01:04:13 KNOW THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S FULLY GOING ON.
01:04:16 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS EVERYTHING,
01:04:22 HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL US, E-MAIL US.
01:04:26 I WOULD PREFER THIS GOING BACK TO FIRST READING.
01:04:29 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:04:33 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:04:33 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
01:04:35 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
01:04:36 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
01:04:37 THE LANGUAGE OF THE SUBSTITUTE IS BEING PRINTED UP RIGHT NOW
01:04:46 FOR CITY COUNCIL.
01:04:47 YOU'LL HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.
01:04:48 IF CITY COUNCIL WISHES, I CAN READ TO THE PUBLIC EXACTLY
01:04:51 WHAT THAT SECTION SAYS SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL HEAR IT, IF
01:04:55 THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
01:04:56 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
01:04:57 ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE FINE, MR. SHELBY.
01:04:59 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
01:05:00 READING FROM MEMBERSHIP AND ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS D, SUB 1.
01:05:06 I'LL READ SUB 1 IN ITS ENTIRETY.
01:05:10 THE CRB SHALL HEREAFTER CONSIST OF 11 VOTING MEMBERS,
01:05:16 MEMBERS, WITH FIVE VOTING MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.
01:05:19 FIVE VOTING MEMBERS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
01:05:22 AND ONE VOTING MEMBER NOMINATED BY THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
01:05:26 FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE, NAACP, WHO SHALL BE A
01:05:33 MEMBER OF THE NAACP AND WHO SHALL BE RECOMMENDED BY THE
01:05:38 MAYOR AND SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION BY CITY COUNCIL.
01:05:42 PERSONS APPOINTED TO THE CRB ARE VOLUNTEERS AND SHALL
01:05:45 RECEIVE NO COMPENSATION.
01:05:47 NEXT PARAGRAPH.
01:05:48 WHEN APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE CRB, THE MAYOR AND CITY
01:05:51 COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER THE EXISTING DIVERSITY COMPOSITION OF
01:05:54 THE CRB AND SHALL ENDEAVOR TO APPOINT INDIVIDUALS FROM
01:05:58 DIFFERENT RACIAL, ETHNIC, GENDER, NATIONAL ORIGIN,
01:06:01 SOCIOECONOMIC, AGE, OR RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS.
01:06:04 THAT IS D-1 IN ITS ENTIRETY.
01:06:07 ORLANDO GUDES: SATISFIED WITH THAT, GENTLEMEN?
01:06:09 WE'LL TAKE UP THE MOTION OF THE SECOND READING NOW, MR.
01:06:15 SHELBY.
01:06:19 MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN GIVE THIS TO THE CLERK.
01:06:21 ORLANDO GUDES: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR.
01:06:23 DINGFELDER.
01:06:24 THE SECOND WAS --
01:06:25 THE CLERK: MR. MANISCALCO.
01:06:28 MARTIN SHELBY: [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
01:06:33 FOR THE RECORD, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
01:06:35 I HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE LEGAL
01:06:38 DEPARTMENT A CLEAN COPY OF THE EXHIBIT A THAT REFLECTS AS I
01:06:43 JUST READ, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S MOTION AND VOTE OF
01:06:50 COUNCIL.
01:06:50 AND NOW THAT SUBSTITUTE HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.
01:06:55 SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO WAIT FOR THE COPIES, THEY ARE
01:07:00 FORTHCOMING, BUT IF COUNCIL IS SATISFIED BASED ON WHAT I
01:07:02 READ, A MOTION NOW WITH FINALITY, IF COUNCIL WISHES TO DO
01:07:07 IT, AGAIN, WAS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH REGARD TO
01:07:11 FIRST AND SECOND READING?
01:07:12 THAT IS THE FIRST ITEM TO TAKE UP THEN WITH THAT MOTION ON
01:07:16 THE FLOOR.
01:07:19 ORLANDO GUDES: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR.
01:07:21 DINGFELDER AND SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
01:07:23 ROLL CALL VOTE.
01:07:24 MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, FOR SECOND READING.
01:07:29 LUIS VIERA: YES.
01:07:30 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
01:07:32 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
01:07:33 BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:07:33 JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
01:07:36 CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
01:07:38 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
01:07:39 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND MIRANDA VOTING
01:07:42 NO.
01:07:46 MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT HAPPENS NOW, COUNCIL, IS YOU HAVE THIS
01:07:49 ON YOUR AGENDA.
01:07:49 IT IS NOW A SUBSTITUTE FOR NUMBER 64, AND IT WOULD BE
01:07:57 APPROPRIATE THEN TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE BEING PRESENTED FOR
01:07:59 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE
01:08:02 MOTION AND THEN READ THE ORDINANCE BY TITLE AS IT APPEARS.
01:08:05 THE TITLE HAS NOT CHANGED.
01:08:12 JOHN DINGFELDER: THE WHEREAS CLAUSES?
01:08:14 MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S AS IT HAS BEEN.
01:08:16 JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'VE SEEN IT OR WHAT?
01:08:19 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE EVERYBODY.
01:08:19 MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALL OF COUNCIL HAS SEEN IT.
01:08:22 JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
01:08:22 THANK YOU.
01:08:24 ORLANDO GUDES: TAKE UP A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO THE
01:08:27 SUBSTITUTE.
01:08:32 CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I COULD HAVE THE ORDINANCE?
01:08:36 MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU HAVE IT, MADAM CLERK?
01:08:37 YOU HAVE EXHIBIT A, DO YOU HAVE THE TITLE?
01:08:39 THE CLERK: IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
01:08:41 IT'S THE SAME TITLE.
01:08:45 MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 64.
01:08:46 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I READ THE RIGHT ONE
01:08:48 HERE.
01:08:49 ITEM 64, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHICH ONE IT IS.
01:08:58 MARTIN SHELBY: IN YOUR MOTION, SIR, USE THE WORD
01:09:01 "SUBSTITUTE."
01:09:05 THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
01:09:08 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHICH ONE IS IT NOW?
01:09:10 OKAY.
01:09:13 EXHIBIT A IS 6.17-21551 WITH THE NAACP COMING IN IN
01:09:28 RELATIONSHIP.
01:09:33 BUT THIS ONE DOESN'T SAY WHAT ORDINANCE IT IS.
01:09:36 DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER.
01:09:37 THIS ONE HAS E-2021-8 CHAPTER 18 AS SUBSTITUTE, AM I
01:09:44 CORRECT?
01:09:46 MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
01:09:46 CHARLIE MIRANDA: SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE TO REVIEW -- THIS IS
01:09:53 NOT IT.
01:09:54 64, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FLORIDA SUPERSEDING
01:10:03 REPLACING ORDINANCE 2015-121 WHICH READS SECTION 18-8
01:10:08 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
01:10:12 ADOPTING A NEW SECTION 18-8 CREATING THE CITIZEN POLICE
01:10:15 REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT; PROVIDING FOR
01:10:18 SEVERABILITY; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
01:10:22 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
01:10:25 DATE.
01:10:25 THIS IS A 5-5-1.
01:10:27 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE COPIES ARE FOR COUNCIL
01:10:30 MEMBERS HOT OFF THE PRESS.
01:10:33 WOULD YOU MIND DISTRIBUTING THEM TO COUNCIL, PLEASE?
01:10:36 WHAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED TO YOU IS NOT THE TWO-PAGE
01:10:53 ORDINANCE ITSELF, WHICH I BELIEVE THE CLERK HAS, BUT YOU'VE
01:10:57 SEEN THAT PREVIOUSLY.
01:10:58 WHAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED TO YOU NOW IS THE REVISED EXHIBIT
01:11:01 A, WHICH IS THE SUBSTITUTE.
01:11:03 WAS THERE A SECOND AGAIN?
01:11:11 SECOND.
01:11:12 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAS MOVED THE ORDINANCE AND MR.
01:11:15 VIERA HAS SECONDED IT.
01:11:16 ROLL CALL VOTE.
01:11:20 JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
01:11:22 GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
01:11:24 BILL CARLSON: NO.
01:11:26 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
01:11:27 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
01:11:29 LUIS VIERA: YES.
01:11:30 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
01:11:32 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO,
01:11:34 AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
01:11:42 ORLANDO GUDES: 1:15.
01:11:44 STAFF NEEDS TO EAT.
01:11:45 THEY NEED A BREAK.
01:11:46 MR. BENNETT, I KNOW WE WON'T MAKE IT BACK BY 1:30, SIR.
01:11:54 JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
01:11:55 JUST SO I'M CLEAR, ARE YOU GOING TO DO CONSENT AT 1:30 OR
01:11:59 STAFF REPORTS AT 1:30?
01:12:02 MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION, MR.
01:12:03 CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE STILL
01:12:06 WAITING FOR SECOND READS AND A REVIEW HEARING.
01:12:08 THE QUESTION IS WHERE IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS DO YOU WANT TO
01:12:10 HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING ON THE SECOND
01:12:13 FLOOR OR MAY BE ONLINE?
01:12:15 ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS GOING TO BE A DAY THAT'S KIND OF
01:12:17 UNPRECEDENTED BECAUSE A HOT ISSUE TO GET DONE.
01:12:20 YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE STAFF MEMBERS STAND ON STANDBY.
01:12:23 WE NEED TO COME BACK AND GET THOSE FOLKS OUT OF HERE.
01:12:25 WE'LL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00.
01:12:35 2:15.
01:12:39 WE'RE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:15.
01:12:42 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
01:12:43 [RECESS]
02:25:50 ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE BACK IN SESSION.
02:25:51 ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
02:25:56 GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
02:25:57 JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
02:25:59 JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
02:26:00 LUIS VIERA: HERE.
02:26:01 CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
02:26:02 ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
02:26:09 MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR MICROPHONE.
02:26:12 ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WE WANT TO TAKE UP THOSE
02:26:14 QUASI-ITEMS, SIR, AND GET THOSE FOLKS OUT OF HERE.
02:26:18 MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 65 IS A 9:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
02:26:21 I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE NO PEOPLE REGISTERED.
02:26:24 JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WATCHING THIS ON
02:26:30 TELEVISION, THE INTERNET IN THE CITY AS WE SPEAK IS NOT
02:26:36 WORKING, AND, THEREFORE, THE GO TO MEETING PLATFORM IS
02:26:42 OFF-LINE RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO
02:26:44 CONSIDERATION WITH REGARD TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO
02:26:46 PARTICIPATE IN QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
02:26:50 FOR INSTANCE, CITY STAFF NORMALLY WOULD APPEAR VIRTUALLY,
02:26:54 BUT I BELIEVE I HEAR MARY BRYAN TELLING US THAT THEY ARE
02:27:00 HEADING OVER TOWARD CITY HALL AS WE SPEAK SO THAT HE WILL BE
02:27:03 ABLE TO DO THEIR PRESENTATIONS LIVE.
02:27:05 JOHN DINGFELDER: WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF DOING CONSENT
02:27:08 RIGHT NOW?
02:27:08 MARTIN SHELBY: 9:30 PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER 65, YOU COULD
02:27:11 OPEN THAT AND TAKE THAT BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS HAVE BEEN
02:27:13 WAITING ON TWO DOWN STAIRS SINCE THIS MORNING.
02:27:16 I DON'T THINK ERIC COTTON NEEDS TO BE HERE ON NUMBER 65?
02:27:25 OH, DOES HE HAVE TO TESTIFY AS TO THE CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST
02:27:28 AND SECOND READING.
02:27:30 THAT MIGHT BE.
02:27:31 IF HE'S ON HIS WAY OVER, MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD THAT.
02:27:34 WE CAN DO THE CONSENT DOCKET, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:27:38 ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN.
02:27:40 MR. SHELBY, WE SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO TAKE UP NUMBER 5 AND
02:27:48 6.
02:27:49 MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE STAFF ON THOSE
02:27:52 ITEMS, YOU CAN.
02:27:55 FRANKLY, THERE'S NO NEED TO UNLESS YOU FEEL THERE ARE
02:28:00 QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT A PRESENTATION OF SORTS.
02:28:07 JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE FOR FIRST
02:28:09 READING ON NUMBER FIVE.
02:28:12 ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 5.
02:28:17 MARTIN SHELBY: THERE'S NO NEED FOR A STAFF REPORT UNLESS
02:28:19 YOU WISH.
02:28:19 OTHERWISE, YOU CAN MOVE IT ON FIRST READING AND
02:28:21 CONSIDERATION.
02:28:21 JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL BE GLAD TO READ IT.
02:28:24 I MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING, THAT'S
02:28:29 FILE E2021-8 CHAPTER 2, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
02:28:34 FLORIDA, AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION 2-71, REGARDING
02:28:38 INTERNAL AUDITS; PROVIDING FOR THE PROCESS BY WHICH CITY
02:28:40 COUNCIL CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDITS PURSUANT TO
02:28:44 CITY CHARTER SECTION 5.01 (C); PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS,
02:28:49 INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEAL CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR
02:28:52 SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:28:54 A SHOUT-OUT TO OUR CHARTER REVIEW BOARD FOR MAKING SURE THAT
02:28:58 COUNCIL IS INCLUDED IN THIS PROCESS, INCLUDING MR. CARLSON,
02:29:01 MR. CITRO, AND MR. GUDES AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S INVOLVED.
02:29:05 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION, I
02:29:08 BELIEVE THIS IS ON A 2016 CHARTER REVISION, IF I'M NOT
02:29:13 MISTAKEN.
02:29:13 IT WAS ACTUALLY A --
02:29:18 JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WAS 2016.
02:29:20 MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS PRIOR CITY COUNCIL THAT PUT IT ON
02:29:22 THE BALLOT.
02:29:26 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER HAS MOVED IT.
02:29:28 SECOND?
02:29:28 MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED.
02:29:30 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:29:30 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:29:32 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:29:33 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:29:34 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:29:35 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:29:38 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:29:39 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:29:39 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:29:42 ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT ABOUT 6, MR. SHELBY?
02:29:44 MARTIN SHELBY: 6 IS CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR.
02:29:47 IF YOU WANT TO REPORT ON WHAT THAT SCRIVENER'S ERROR IS I
02:29:52 GUESS THE ATTORNEY IS PRESENT.
02:30:03 RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:30:07 ROSS, WHO IS OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING COORDINATOR, WAS GOING
02:30:09 TO PRESENT A PowerPoint ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT I
02:30:13 BELIEVE I CAN COVER IT WITHOUT THAT.
02:30:17 IF IT WILL BE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
02:30:19 ITEM 6 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000-331
02:30:25 WHICH IS A GLOBAL VACATING ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDED SEVERAL
02:30:28 DIFFERENT ALLEYWAYS, ONE OF WHICH WAS LOCATED WITHIN THE
02:30:34 LIVINGSTON HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION.
02:30:37 ONLY A PORTION OF LOUISIANA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VACATED IN
02:30:41 THAT PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION.
02:30:43 HOWEVER, THE ENTIRE ROAD WAS VACATED INADVERTENTLY, WHICH
02:30:49 RESULTS IN A LAND LOCK, SEVERAL LAND LOCKED PARCELS.
02:30:54 WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS AMEND THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION
02:30:56 SO IT WOULD UNLOCK THOSE LANDS AND HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.
02:30:59 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DO WE BELIEVE IT WAS SCRIVENER'S
02:31:05 ERROR GOING BACK 21 YEARS?
02:31:08 RON WIGGINTON: BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT AND HOW THE
02:31:11 PROPERTIES WERE LAID OUT, THERE WAS NO WAY FOR THAT TO HAVE
02:31:14 BEEN VACATED.
02:31:15 AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN LANDLOCKED PROPERTIES.
02:31:18 THAT IS BY THE ESSENCE OF THE LAND LOCKING.
02:31:23 JOHN DINGFELDER: MORE SPECIFICALLY, YOU MENTIONED SOME
02:31:25 STREET NAMES, WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
02:31:28 RON WIGGINTON: MIDDLETON HIGH SCHOOL, LITTLE BIT TO THE
02:31:30 EAST OF IT.
02:31:31 JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU HAVE A MAP OR DRAWING?
02:31:34 RON WIGGINTON: UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S SOMETHING ROSS WOULD
02:31:36 HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE.
02:31:37 IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, I'M SURE --
02:31:41 MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS FIRST
02:31:43 READING.
02:31:43 IT WILL BE SET FOR A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.
02:31:46 YOU CAN HAVE A PRESENTATION AT THE SECOND READING TO BE ABLE
02:31:48 TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
02:31:49 JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST BRING A MAP NEXT TIME.
02:31:51 THANK YOU.
02:31:52 RON WIGGINTON: WILL DO.
02:31:52 THANK YOU.
02:31:55 ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE THIS ITEM 6?
02:31:58 JOSEPH CITRO: FILE NUMBER C 00-35, ORDINANCE BEING
02:32:03 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
02:32:05 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000-331, WHICH
02:32:13 VACATED, CLOSED, DISCONTINUED AND ABANDONED CERTAIN
02:32:17 RIGHTS-OF-WAY IN THE AREA DESCRIBED BELOW IN ORDER TO
02:32:21 CORRECT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF
02:32:25 EXHIBIT A TO SAID ORDINANCE AND REPLACING SAME WITH ATTACHED
02:32:30 AND REVISED EXHIBIT A, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:32:37 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED IT.
02:32:38 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
02:32:40 ROLL CALL.
02:32:42 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:32:42 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:32:43 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:32:44 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:32:45 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:32:46 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:32:48 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:32:51 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:32:52 RON WIGGINTON: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:32:55 ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17, SIR.
02:32:58 JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD GLADLY DO THAT.
02:33:00 MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17.
02:33:01 BILL CARLSON: THESE ARE TWO I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF.
02:33:07 9 AND 10.
02:33:09 COULD I MAKE A MOTION REAL FAST TO ACCEPT AND FILE THE
02:33:14 FORMS.
02:33:14 MARTIN SHELBY: DID YOU WANT TO STATE THE NATURE?
02:33:18 BILL CARLSON: SURE.
02:33:19 AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH MY COMPANY HAS AN
02:33:26 INTEREST IN THESE MATTERS.
02:33:27 MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE FILING THE FORM 8B AND ASKING THEM
02:33:30 TO BE RECEIVED AND FILE?
02:33:32 BILL CARLSON: YES, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
02:33:34 FILE.
02:33:34 ORLANDO GUDES: RECEIVE AND FILE BY MR. MIRANDA.
02:33:37 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:33:38 SEPARATE VOTE, MR. SHELBY?
02:33:44 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE WISE.
02:33:46 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 10 REMOVED.
02:33:50 --
02:33:50 MARTIN SHELBY: 9 AND 10.
02:33:53 CHARLIE MIRANDA: 9 FIRST.
02:33:55 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED 9.
02:33:57 SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
02:33:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:33:59 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:34:04 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:34:05 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:34:06 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:34:07 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:34:08 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:34:10 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:34:11 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.
02:34:15 ORLANDO GUDES: -- MOVED BY MR. --
02:34:17 MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WAS THAT?
02:34:19 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 10 HAS BEEN MOVED BY MR.
02:34:22 DINGFELDER.
02:34:22 SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
02:34:23 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:34:28 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:34:28 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:34:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:34:31 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:34:32 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:34:33 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:34:35 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.
02:34:38 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA -- LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE
02:34:43 ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17 EXCLUDING 9 AND 10.
02:34:46 CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17 EXCLUDING 9 AND
02:34:49 10.
02:34:51 ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED BY MR. MIRANDA.
02:34:52 SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
02:34:54 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:34:54 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:34:57 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:34:58 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:35:00 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:35:01 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:35:02 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:35:03 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:35:05 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:35:07 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, MOVE 18 THROUGH 21, SIR,
02:35:10 PARKS AND RECREATION.
02:35:11 GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEMS 18 THROUGH 21.
02:35:18 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED 18 THROUGH 21.
02:35:22 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
02:35:23 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:35:23 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:35:25 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:35:26 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:35:27 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:35:29 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:35:30 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:35:32 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:35:32 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:35:34 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVE ITEMS 22 THROUGH 40,
02:35:37 SIR.
02:35:47 JOHN DINGFELDER: -- SHOUT-OUT TO STAFF.
02:35:50 BACK IN THE DAY, ITEMS 28 AND 29 USED TO BE SOLE SOURCED,
02:35:54 BUT NOW THEY ARE BEING BID, WHICH IS GOOD, BECAUSE OTHER
02:35:57 COMPANIES ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS CURED IN PLACE
02:36:01 TREATMENT.
02:36:02 SO THAT'S GOOD.
02:36:03 THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BIDS, WE'RE GETTING SOME VERY
02:36:06 COMPETITIVE BIDS, SO THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
02:36:08 ANYWAY, JUST A SHOUT-OUT TO STAFF IN THAT REGARD.
02:36:11 MOVE ITEMS 22 THROUGH 40.
02:36:14 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVED IT.
02:36:16 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED.
02:36:17 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:36:19 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:36:20 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:36:21 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:36:22 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:36:23 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:36:24 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:36:27 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:36:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU MOVE ITEMS 41 --
02:36:33 CHARLIE MIRANDA: 41 THROUGH 44.
02:36:39 MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:36:41 WAS NUMBER 44 --
02:36:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WAS PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA.
02:36:45 MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS PUT BACK ON THE CONSENT.
02:36:48 YES, SIR.
02:36:48 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
02:36:49 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED.
02:36:52 SECOND FROM MR. CITRO.
02:36:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:36:55 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:36:57 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:36:58 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:37:00 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:37:01 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:37:03 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:37:04 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:37:05 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, WILL YOU MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH
02:37:09 56?
02:37:10 BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR.
02:37:11 I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH 56.
02:37:14 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON MOVED.
02:37:16 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED.
02:37:18 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:37:23 JOHN DINGFELDER: -- SHOUT-OUT ESPECIALLY WITH MS. FEELEY
02:37:26 HERE WITH US TODAY.
02:37:27 ITEM 56, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN VERY GENEROUS IN
02:37:33 REGARD TO ALLOCATING MONEY TO INDIVIDUALS WHO NEEDED RENTAL
02:37:38 ASSISTANCE.
02:37:39 ITEM 56 IS AN ADDITIONAL $9.5 MILLION THAT WE'RE SORT OF THE
02:37:45 PASS-THROUGH, WE'RE THE GO-BETWEEN TO MAKE SURE THAT MONEY
02:37:48 GETS TO THE APPROPRIATE TENANTS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO THE
02:37:52 APPROPRIATE LANDLORDS.
02:37:53 BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO MS. FEELEY AND HER
02:37:56 TEAM AND OUR CONTRACTORS WHO ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE
02:37:59 SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE DURING THE COVID
02:38:03 CRISIS.
02:38:04 BRIAN HAS HIS HAND UP.
02:38:06 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
02:38:07 MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT NUMBER 54
02:38:12 HAS A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE TO JULY 29.
02:38:15 YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE THAT UP SEPARATELY JUST AS PART OF YOUR
02:38:18 MOTION.
02:38:19 JOHN DINGFELDER: WE'RE NOT VOTING ON 54 THEN.
02:38:22 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE MOTION IS -- SHOULD BE 45
02:38:28 THROUGH -- OR 53 AND THEN 55 AND 56 AND THEN YOU COULD TAKE
02:38:32 UP THE CONTINUANCE.
02:38:37 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON IF YOU'LL MOVE 45 THROUGH 56
02:38:41 EXCLUDING 54.
02:38:43 BILL CARLSON: MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH 56 EXCLUDING 54.
02:38:47 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION FROM MR. CARLSON, SECONDED BY MR.
02:38:50 MIRANDA.
02:38:50 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:38:51 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:38:52 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:38:53 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:38:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:38:56 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:38:57 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:38:59 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:39:00 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:39:02 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
02:39:03 LET'S TAKE 54 WITH A MOTION TO CONTINUE.
02:39:06 CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED TO JULY 29, 2021.
02:39:10 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVED IT.
02:39:13 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
02:39:14 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:39:15 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:39:17 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:39:18 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:39:20 BILL CARLSON: NO.
02:39:21 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:39:24 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:39:26 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTE NOTHING.
02:39:31 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. LUIS VIERA, ITEM 57 AND 59, SIR.
02:39:36 LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:39:37 I APPRECIATE THAT.
02:39:38 IF I MAY, I MOVE ITEMS 57 THROUGH 59.
02:39:41 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. VIERA.
02:39:44 SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
02:39:46 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:39:46 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:39:47 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:39:49 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:39:50 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:39:51 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:39:52 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:39:53 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:39:54 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:39:57 MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THE ITEMS BEING SET FOR
02:40:02 PUBLIC HEARING BY COUNCIL CONSENT, YOU CAN TAKE 60, 62, AND
02:40:07 63 BY ONE MOTION AND VOTE, AND WE'LL HOLD 61 AND TAKE THAT
02:40:12 UP RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE VOTE FOR COUNCIL FOR
02:40:16 A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
02:40:17 CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 60, 62, 63 FOR JULY 22, 2021 AND 62
02:40:27 JULY 29 AT 10:30 AND 63 IS AUGUST 5th, '21, AT 10:30.
02:40:34 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED 60, 62 AND 63.
02:40:38 MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED IT.
02:40:41 ROLL CALL.
02:40:41 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:40:42 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:40:43 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:40:45 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:40:46 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:40:47 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:40:48 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:40:49 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:40:53 ORLANDO GUDES: 61 WE'RE HOLDING --
02:40:59 MARTIN SHELBY: WE CAN TAKE 61 NOW.
02:41:02 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR.
02:41:10 THIS HEARING REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
02:41:14 [MICROPHONE NOT ON] [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
02:41:27 THANK YOU.
02:41:28 WE HAVE BEEN MOVING THROUGH OUR HUD PLAN FOR OUR ANNUAL
02:41:34 ACTION PLAN.
02:41:35 SO FAR WE'VE HAD OUR RFA THAT'S OPENED.
02:41:38 STAFF HAS CONDUCTED TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WORKSHOPS THIS
02:41:40 WEEK.
02:41:41 THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE DUE REGARDING THE TECHNICAL
02:41:45 ASSISTANCE WORKSHOP AT THE END OF THIS WEEK, AND THE RFA
02:41:49 SUBMISSION WILL CLOSE ON THE 25th.
02:41:51 AT THAT POINT, WE WILL OPEN COMMENT ON THE ACTION PLAN
02:41:55 ITSELF, WHICH BY HUD REQUIREMENT MUST BE AT LEAST 30 DAYS.
02:42:00 THIS WILL PUT THE FIRST AVAILABLE MEETING THAT WE COULD HAVE
02:42:03 THIS ON THE 29th.
02:42:07 IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DO IT ON
02:42:10 THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST, HOWEVER THIS WOULD GREATLY
02:42:13 COMPRESS THE TIME THAT STAFF HAS TO COMPLETE THE REPORT AND
02:42:16 GET IT SUBMITTED TO HUD.
02:42:18 WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT IT BE SET FOR 29th, SPECIAL CALL
02:42:21 AT 5:01 P.M.
02:42:23 ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS THE CALENDAR LIKE ON THE 29th?
02:42:33 ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:42:35 ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
02:42:38 IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL-CALLED SESSION FOR YOU ON THE 29th.
02:42:41 OUR ACTION PLAN IS DUE TO HUD ON AUGUST 15th.
02:42:45 SO IF WE PUSH TO THE FIRST THURSDAY IN AUGUST, ALSO WE DO
02:42:49 HAVE TO HAVE IT AT 5:01.
02:42:52 THAT IS PART OF OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION RULES.
02:42:54 THAT WOULD ONLY LEAVE STAFF ABOUT SEVEN DAYS TO THEN GET IT
02:42:57 IN ORDER TO SUBMIT TO HUD.
02:43:00 THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE JULY 29th SPECIAL CALLED
02:43:03 SESSION IN THE EVENING.
02:43:05 MARTIN SHELBY: I'M GOING TO DIRECT COUNCIL'S ATTENTION TO
02:43:08 YOUR CALENDAR.
02:43:09 YOU DO HAVE A MEETING THAT DAY AT 9 A.M.
02:43:11 IT IS A REGULAR SESSION.
02:43:13 SO THIS WOULD BE ADDING A SPECIAL CALL AT 5:01 THAT EVENING.
02:43:19 IT WOULD NOT BE A SEPARATE DAY BECAUSE YOU WILL BE THERE AT
02:43:23 THE 9 A.M., BUT THERE IS NO NIGHT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THAT
02:43:26 NIGHT AND THE REQUEST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, AS YOU'VE
02:43:29 HEARD, IS TO SET THAT 5:01.
02:43:31 I BELIEVE IT IS A MATTER OF MOVING THE RESOLUTION, IS THAT
02:43:33 CORRECT?
02:43:34 IT'S ALREADY BEEN PREPARED IN THE RESOLUTION.
02:43:37 ORLANDO GUDES: IT HAS TO BE IN THE EVENING TIME.
02:43:40 ABBYE FEELEY: YES, SIR.
02:43:41 THAT'S PART OF OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PLAN TO ALLOW FOR
02:43:45 OUR CITIZENS AND CLIENTS TO COME AFTER CLOSE OF BUSINESS FOR
02:43:49 THEM TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTION PLAN
02:43:52 DEVELOPMENT AND ADOPTION.
02:43:53 THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND REQUIRED MEETING IN THE AFTERNOON,
02:44:01 EVENING.
02:44:01 I DON'T FORESEE IT WOULD BE LONG.
02:44:05 ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
02:44:06 MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
02:44:07 MR. CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
02:44:10 BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD SAY, FIRST, I THINK IT'S A GOOD
02:44:13 IDEA TO PUT THESE ON THURSDAYS BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH
02:44:15 WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT, SECOND, PUTTING IT
02:44:20 ON ANOTHER DAY WOULD INTERVENE WITH MY KID'S SCHEDULE.
02:44:25 I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING IT ON THURSDAY FOR THAT REASON
02:44:27 ALSO.
02:44:28 THANK YOU.
02:44:28 ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
02:44:29 ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ITEM 61.
02:44:34 MR. MANISCALCO HAS MOVED IT.
02:44:36 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
02:44:39 ROLL CALL.
02:44:43 THE CLERK: ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE JULY
02:44:47 29 --
02:44:54 MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT A SEPARATE MOTION.
02:44:56 THE CLERK: PREFERABLY A SEPARATE ONE.
02:44:59 THE OTHER MOTION IS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
02:45:01 MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION RIGHT NOW IS TO MOVE THE
02:45:03 RESOLUTION.
02:45:04 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED IT.
02:45:05 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
02:45:07 ROLL CALL VOTE AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE DATE.
02:45:09 THE CLERK: DINGFELDER?
02:45:11 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:45:12 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:45:13 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:45:15 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:45:16 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:45:18 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:45:19 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:45:20 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:45:22 ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S MOVE THE DATE.
02:45:23 CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE DATE, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO JULY 29,
02:45:29 2021 AT 5:01 P.M. AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THIRD FLOOR.
02:45:33 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED IT.
02:45:35 SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON.
02:45:36 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:45:38 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:45:39 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:45:40 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:45:41 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:45:42 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:45:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:45:44 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:45:49 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:45:50 ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, 64
02:45:55 THROUGH 68.
02:45:59 MR. MIRANDA.
02:45:59 SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.
02:46:01 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:46:04 MARTIN SHELBY: 64 I BELIEVE HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
02:46:07 AND 65, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THAT.
02:46:11 IT'S A SECOND READING.
02:46:12 IS STAFF PRESENT?
02:46:17 FOR PERSONAL INTRODUCTION.
02:46:20 GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:46:21 ZAIN HUSAIN HERE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:46:24 FIRST OFF, GREAT TO BE HERE IN PERSON.
02:46:28 GOING OVER ITEM 65, THIS IS AB 2-21-11, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
02:46:38 SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
02:46:42 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
02:46:44 SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT 1601 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE
02:46:50 1607.
02:46:52 CERTIFIED PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF YESTERDAY TO THE CLERK, AND
02:46:56 IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE.
02:46:58 JOHN DINGFELDER: WE WILL NEVER FORGET OUR EDUCATION IN
02:47:06 KOMBUCHA.
02:47:09 ORLANDO GUDES: NO QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT?
02:47:33 MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THEY ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
02:47:35 ORLANDO GUDES: APPLICANT ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
02:47:40 MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WE GO.
02:47:52 GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:47:53 WE ENJOYED OUR DISCUSSION LAST TIME --
02:47:58 ORLANDO GUDES: SWEAR YOU IN, I'M SORRY.
02:47:59 THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT
02:48:03 YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
02:48:06 WE DO.
02:48:07 THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
02:48:08 MARTIN SHELBY: NAMES PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:48:09 ORLANDO GUDES: NAMES, SIR.
02:48:11 BRIAN GRIFFIN.
02:48:13 PHILLIP SMITH.
02:48:17 WE ENJOYED OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE YOU.
02:48:20 WE HAVE MADE THE REQUESTED CHANGES TO OUR SITE PLAN AND WILL
02:48:23 COMPLY WITH THOSE, WHICH ARE NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND WE WILL
02:48:27 NOT BE OPEN PAST 11 P.M. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
02:48:31 WE LOOK FORWARD TO OPENING THIS ELEMENT OF OUR BUSINESS AND
02:48:34 WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS SECOND READING.
02:48:36 THANK YOU.
02:48:38 ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS?
02:48:41 ALL RIGHT.
02:48:42 ANYBODY ELSE HERE ON THIS ITEM TO SPEAK?
02:48:45 MOVE TO CLOSE.
02:48:46 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED TO CLOSE.
02:48:48 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.
02:48:50 CAN WE GET MR. VIERA?
02:48:53 MR. VIERA, READ NUMBER 65.
02:48:58 LUIS VIERA: MY PLEASURE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:49:00 I HEREBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
02:49:03 READING AND ADOPTION AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
02:49:06 PERMIT (SU-2) FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE
02:49:11 (CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES
02:49:15 CONSUMPTION) AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT
02:49:19 OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT
02:49:22 1601 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE 1607, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS
02:49:26 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2; PROVIDING THAT ALL
02:49:29 ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED;
02:49:33 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:49:34 ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
02:49:36 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:49:38 BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:49:39 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:49:41 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:49:42 LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:49:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:49:45 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:49:46 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:49:47 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:49:48 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
02:49:50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:49:52 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 66.
02:50:42 GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:50:46 ORLANDO GUDES: NEED TO SWEAR IN, MR. SHELBY?
02:50:57 GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY
02:51:00 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
02:51:02 WE'RE HERE, COUNCIL, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 66.
02:51:05 REVIEW HEARING FOR VRB 20-60 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
02:51:10 1508 SOUTH ARRAWANA AVENUE.
02:51:13 THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU ON A PETITION SEEKING REVIEW OF A
02:51:16 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DECISION MADE DURING ITS MEETING ON
02:51:20 FEBRUARY 9 OF 2021.
02:51:21 I PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH THE HEARING PROCEDURES FOR TODAY'S
02:51:25 REVIEW AS WELL AS SAMPLE MOTIONS FOR THE HEARING.
02:51:29 YOU ALSO HAVE THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA SET FORTH IN CODE
02:51:33 SECTION 27-80.
02:51:35 PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 27-61, SUBSECTION J, SUBSECTION 2,
02:51:41 CITY COUNCIL APPLIES A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW.
02:51:44 YOUR DECISION IS NOT LIMITED TO THE RECORD CREATED DURING
02:51:48 THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARING, INSTEAD, YOU CAN TAKE
02:51:53 PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE AND MAKE A DECISION
02:51:56 BASED ON THE APPLICATION MEETING THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT AS
02:51:59 SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-80.
02:52:01 THE MATERIALS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM INCLUDE A COPY OF
02:52:06 THE INITIAL APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCE, THE STAFF REPORT,
02:52:08 THE VRB'S WRITTEN DECISION AND THE PETITION FOR REVIEW ALONG
02:52:12 WITH THE AFFIDAVIT ESTABLISHING COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOTICE
02:52:15 REQUIREMENTS.
02:52:15 THE APPLICATION FILED WITH THE VRB REQUESTED THE FOLLOWING
02:52:19 VARIANCE: A REDUCTION OF THE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE
02:52:24 FEET TO THREE FEET PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 290.3.
02:52:29 AFTER CONSIDERING ALL THE EVIDENCE INTRODUCED INTO THE
02:52:32 RECORD OF TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL MAY AFFIRM THE VRB'S
02:52:36 DECISION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE.
02:52:39 COUNCIL MAY OVERTURN THE VRB DECISION AND DENY THE VARIANCE
02:52:45 OR COUNCIL MAY REMAND THIS BACK TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW
02:52:47 BOARD.
02:52:49 WITH THAT, STAFF IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THE PRESENTATION
02:52:53 OF THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION FOR THE CASE FOR THE VARIANCE
02:52:59 REVIEW BOARD.
02:53:01 I'LL TURN IT OVER NOW TO MS. ANASTASIA BARNES.
02:53:06 MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT I SEE MR.
02:53:09 GRANDOFF IS SITTING DIRECTLY BEHIND HER.
02:53:12 I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER, FRANKLY, IF IT WOULD BE
02:53:16 APPROPRIATE FOR PEOPLE TO NOT BE IN THE BACKGROUND THAT ARE
02:53:20 NOT RELEVANT TO THE PARTICULAR TESTIMONY, IF THAT'S
02:53:23 POSSIBLE.
02:53:24 THAT WOULD APPLY TO BOTH PARTIES AND TO OTHER FUTURE
02:53:28 HEARINGS AS WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT.
02:53:33 ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK SECURITY IS TAKING CARE OF IT NOW.
02:53:41 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
02:53:45 GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:53:45 MY NAME IS ANASTASIA BARNES, URBAN PLANNER 2 WITH
02:53:50 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:53:51 AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS ALREADY STATED, THIS PETITION IS
02:53:55 FOR VRB --
02:53:57 ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
02:53:59 APOLOGIZE.
02:53:59 YES.
02:54:00 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. COTTON, ARE YOU TESTIFYING TO?
02:54:06 PERHAPS, YES.
02:54:07 THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
02:54:09 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT
02:54:11 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
02:54:14 YES.
02:54:15 THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
02:54:16 AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS ALREADY STATED THIS IS A
02:54:19 PETITION FOR VRB 20-60.
02:54:24 THE PETITIONER IS KERRY AND BARBARA TOOLE.
02:54:30 THE PETITIONER'S AGENT IS JOHN GRANDOFF.
02:54:32 THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1508 SOUTH ARRAWANA AVENUE WHICH HAS
02:54:38 A ZONING DISTRICT OF RS 60, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
02:54:41 THE APPROVED VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK
02:54:45 FROM FIVE FEET TO THREE FEET IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION
02:54:49 27,290.3 THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL.
02:54:54 27-290.3.
02:55:00 HERE IS 2780, THE APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE POWER.
02:55:07 THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE, THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD
02:55:14 THIS CASE ON NOVEMBER 10, 2020, AND AFTER TESTIMONY
02:55:19 CONTINUED THE CASE.
02:55:21 THE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THE CASE AGAIN ON FEBRUARY 9, 2021,
02:55:25 AND AFTER TESTIMONY APPROVED THE REQUEST WITH A VOTE FOR
02:55:29 4-2.
02:55:30 THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH
02:55:40 SURROUNDING ZONING, LARGELY RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.
02:55:45 THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED SHOWING THE
02:55:49 PROPOSED POOL WITH SETBACKS.
02:55:55 THIS IS A VIEW OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE POOL
02:56:00 WILL BE PLACED, AND THIS IS A PICTURE SHOWING THE ADJACENT
02:56:08 PROPERTY OWNER FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
02:56:10 THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
02:56:17 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
02:56:21 ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
02:56:23 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
02:56:29 JOHN DINGFELDER: IN READING, I'M SURE MR. HENDRA WILL BE
02:56:40 ELABORATING, BUT I NEED REFERENCE, THEY ARE ADDRESSING ADA
02:56:46 NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS.
02:56:47 WILL WE GET ADVICE FROM STAFF OR LEGAL IN TERMS OF HOW THAT
02:56:52 MIGHT IMPACT OUR DECISION?
02:56:54 I KNOW THAT MR. CITRO AND I, WE USED TO HEAR THIS WHEN WE
02:56:59 SAT ON THE VRB.
02:57:00 SOMETIMES THERE WERE ADA ISSUES THAT WOULD COMPLICATE THINGS
02:57:03 IN REGARD TO WHAT OUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS WAS.
02:57:08 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE,
02:57:11 RESPECTFULLY, I UNDERSTAND MR. COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION.
02:57:15 THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW, SO MR. GRANDOFF IS
02:57:21 REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
02:57:23 HIS ARGUMENT IS THAT THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA WAS NOT MET.
02:57:27 SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO -- IF YOU WANT TO FIRST
02:57:31 HEAR THEIR PRESENTATION.
02:57:33 JOHN DINGFELDER: WE CAN HEAR IT, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO
02:57:36 ANY DELIBERATIONS, IF THE ADA ISSUE COMES UP, WHICH IT
02:57:40 APPEARS SOMEBODY HANDED ME A DOCUMENT, JUMPED RIGHT OUT AT
02:57:44 ME THAT THERE IS AN -- POTENTIAL ADA ISSUE, JUST MAKE SURE
02:57:47 THAT WE'RE WELL AWARE OF HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT OUR VOTE.
02:57:54 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I WILL.
02:57:55 JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
02:57:56 ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF.
02:57:57 ANASTASIA BARNES AGAIN.
02:58:00 AS AN URBAN PLANNER, I DO NOT KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADA
02:58:04 ACCESSIBILITY.
02:58:05 I THINK THAT WOULD BE FOR A PLANS EXAMINER.
02:58:10 SO, UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT
02:58:13 SPECIFICALLY TO THE ADA REQUIREMENTS.
02:58:17 JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M GOOD.
02:58:18 ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
02:58:19 ALL RIGHT.
02:58:22 WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
02:58:24 MR. SHELBY.
02:58:26 MARTIN SHELBY: ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF?
02:58:32 I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
02:58:34 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR PURPOSES OF COMPLETING THE RECORD,
02:58:38 ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WHICH HAD BEEN RECEIVED AND
02:58:41 FILED AND UPLOADED, I'D LIKE THEM TO BE DONE BY MOTION AND
02:58:45 VOTE AT THIS POINT.
02:58:46 JUST TO RECEIVE AND FILE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
02:58:50 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO AS MADE A MOTION TO RECEIVE
02:58:53 AND FILE.
02:58:53 CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
02:58:56 ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?
02:58:57 ANY OPPOSED?
02:58:58 MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
02:59:05 ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
02:59:07 I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN.
02:59:10 THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
02:59:12 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT
02:59:14 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
02:59:17 JOHN GRANDOFF: I DO.
02:59:18 THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
02:59:19 JOHN GRANDOFF: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE
02:59:21 CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JOHN GRANDOFF.
02:59:23 ADDRESS IS SUITE 3700 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA.
02:59:26 THIS AFTERNOON, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING BARBARA
02:59:30 AND KERRY TOOLE WHO ARE MY CLIENTS WHO LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND
02:59:34 THE PROPERTY WHICH WAS GRANTED THE VARIANCE BACK IN
02:59:37 FEBRUARY.
02:59:37 BEFORE BEGINNING MY PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO CONFIRM IN THE
02:59:43 RECORD THAT AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FROM THE KRAFTS, THE
02:59:50 OWNERS WAS DELIVERED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY CLERK
02:59:53 AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON MARCH 17.
02:59:57 IT IS A LETTER FROM CHRIS AND REBECCA KRAFT.
02:59:59 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS REFERENCED.
03:00:01 I'LL PROVIDE IT TO THE CLERK AFTER THE HEARING TO MAKE SURE
03:00:03 IT IS COMPLETELY FILED.
03:00:09 ORLANDO GUDES: WERE YOU TRYING TO SHOW SOMETHING ON THE
03:00:11 MONITOR?
03:00:11 JOHN GRANDOFF: YES.
03:00:12 ORLANDO GUDES: WE NEED TO SEE IT.
03:00:13 THERE IT IS.
03:00:18 MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:00:20 FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, ARE THESE PEOPLE, YOUR
03:00:24 RELATIONSHIP TO THEM, MR. GRANDOFF?
03:00:28 JOHN GRANDOFF: MY CLIENT IS OPPOSING THEIR VARIANCE.
03:00:31 AND WHILE THE APPEAL WAS PENDING, THEY PROVIDED THIS
03:00:34 DOCUMENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS AN EX PARTE
03:00:37 COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS ILLEGAL.
03:00:39 AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE RECORD.
03:00:42 MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS BEING DISCLOSED TO YOU AND IS PART OF
03:00:45 THE RECORD.
03:00:48 JOHN GRANDOFF: NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE IF THE CITY
03:00:50 COUNCIL HAS ANY PREJUDGMENT ON THIS CASE GIVEN THE NATURE OF
03:00:53 THIS LETTER.
03:00:54 MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ASK,
03:00:56 MR. GRANDOFF.
03:00:57 I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
03:00:58 ON THE BASIS OF ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, ARE THERE ANY
03:01:02 OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS VERBALLY THAT NEED TO BE
03:01:05 DISCLOSED ON EITHER SIDE TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON?
03:01:07 I SEE NO RESPONSE.
03:01:08 IS THERE ANYBODY BY A SHOW OF HANDS OR VERBALLY TO SAY THAT
03:01:16 BASED ON ANYTHING THAT MIGHT -- THEY MIGHT BE AWARE OF WOULD
03:01:21 KEEP THEM FROM BEING FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AS TO EITHER SIDE
03:01:25 WITH REGARD TO THE HEARING OF THIS CASE AND MAKING A
03:01:28 DECISION BASED ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE
03:01:30 RECORD.
03:01:30 IS THERE ANYBODY?
03:01:32 I SEE NO ONE RESPONDING AFFIRMATIVELY.
03:01:34 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:01:36 MR. GRANDOFF IS THAT ACCEPTABLE?
03:01:38 JOHN GRANDOFF: YES, IT IS.
03:01:39 JOHN DINGFELDER: POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR.
03:01:42 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
03:01:43 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. GRANDOFF, I'M NOT SURE HOW WELL YOU
03:01:46 DESCRIBED THE DOCUMENT YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN.
03:01:48 JUST FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT AND MAKE SURE THE
03:01:52 CLERK GETS A COPY OF IT.
03:01:53 JOHN GRANDOFF: THIS IS A LETTER MARCH 17 THAT WAS
03:01:56 DELIVERED FROM CHRIS AND REBECCA KRAFT FROM THEIR ADDRESS.
03:02:01 DEAR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND CITY CLERK, WE ARE WRITING TO
03:02:04 EXPRESS OUR OBJECTION TO JOHN GRANDOFF'S REQUEST FOR CITY
03:02:07 COUNCIL TO DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARING CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR
03:02:10 APRIL 15 AS IT WILL CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR MYSELF AND MY
03:02:14 FAMILY BY UNNECESSARILY DELAYING OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT
03:02:17 FURTHER.
03:02:18 IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT HE AND HIS CLIENTS ATTEMPTED TO
03:02:21 DELAY THE INITIAL VARIANCE HEARING IN NOVEMBER 2020.
03:02:24 THIS APPEARS TO BE ANOTHER MEASURE TO CREATE FURTHER DELAYS.
03:02:27 HE AND HIS CLIENTS HAVE HAD AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO
03:02:30 PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING AS THE OBJECTIVE HAS NOT CHANGED
03:02:33 AND THIS HEARING SHOULD PROCEED AS PLANNED.
03:02:35 WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIMELY ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
03:02:38 SINCERELY CHRIS AND REBECCA KRAFT.
03:02:41 YOU'LL SEE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LETTER THEY ARE ARGUING THE
03:02:43 MERITS OF THE CASE WITHOUT GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
03:02:46 HEARD.
03:02:46 THAT'S THE POINT.
03:02:53 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE.
03:02:55 JOHN GRANDOFF: YES, MR. GUDES, I APPRECIATE.
03:02:57 I ASK THIS TIME NOT BE CHARGED AGAINST MY PRESENTATION
03:03:00 BECAUSE THEY ARE PROCEDURAL ISSUES.
03:03:01 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO NOW, I HEARD THAT THERE WAS
03:03:05 DISCUSSION ABOUT ADA.
03:03:06 I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THAT DISCUSSION.
03:03:09 CAN SOMEONE REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION ON WHAT THAT WAS ALL
03:03:11 ABOUT BEFORE THE HEARING STARTED?
03:03:15 JOHN DINGFELDER: IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT, WHEN THE
03:03:17 HEARING JUST STARTED, WE WERE HANDED A DOCUMENT, MR.
03:03:19 GRANDOFF, AND I HOPE YOU GOT A COPY OF IT.
03:03:22 IF NOT, I'LL MAKE SURE WE SEND ONE DOWN STAIRS.
03:03:25 FROM HENDRA AND ASSOCIATES INC.
03:03:28 FRANKLY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS FROM YOUR CLIENT.
03:03:31 SO I STARTED READING THROUGH IT, AND ON ABOUT PAGE, I DON'T
03:03:35 KNOW, 6, 7, 8, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THE
03:03:40 ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR A SWIMMING POOL WAS SOMEHOW ADA
03:03:47 REQUIRED OR ADA NECESSARY, AND I'M SURE IF THESE FOLKS, THE
03:03:51 ORIGINAL APPLICANTS ARE GOING TO BE HERE, THEN THEY'LL SPEAK
03:03:54 TO THAT.
03:03:55 DID YOU GET A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT, MR. GRANDOFF?
03:03:58 JOHN GRANDOFF: HOW DID YOU GET A COPY OF IT?
03:04:01 JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
03:04:02 SOMEBODY HANDED IT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN THE MEETING
03:04:05 STARTED.
03:04:07 MARTIN SHELBY: I --
03:04:09 JOHN GRANDOFF: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE SOURCE OF THE
03:04:10 DOCUMENT.
03:04:10 ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF ORDER.
03:04:11 MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
03:04:13 MARTIN SHELBY: MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED BY
03:04:16 STAFF.
03:04:17 ERIC COTTON HANDED IT OUT.
03:04:18 DID THE CLERK RECEIVE A COPY?
03:04:20 THE CLERK: YES.
03:04:21 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. COTTON, DID YOU PROVIDE A COPY TO MR.
03:04:24 GRANDOFF?
03:04:26 JOHN GRANDOFF: HE DID.
03:04:27 MR. COTTON, I HAVE A COPY OF IT NOW.
03:04:29 IT'S DATED JUNE 16th.
03:04:35 JOHN DINGFELDER: YESTERDAY.
03:04:36 JOHN GRANDOFF: YEAH.
03:04:37 I HAVEN'T READ IT NOR DO I CARE TO READ IT.
03:04:40 JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK ANY OF US READ IT.
03:04:42 THEY JUST HANDED IT TO US FIVE MINUTES AGO.
03:04:46 JOHN GRANDOFF: WELL, IT BEGS THE QUESTION.
03:04:49 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE.
03:04:50 JOHN GRANDOFF: I WILL SPEAK ON THE ADA ISSUE AS PART OF MY
03:04:54 ARGUMENT, BUT TO GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER, WE HAD TWO
03:04:59 HEARINGS IN THIS CASE AND MY CLIENTS PUT ON COMPETENT
03:05:03 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE
03:05:07 PROBLEM WITH THESE PROPERTIES.
03:05:09 MY CLIENT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY WHERE THE KRAFTS
03:05:14 ARE PLANNING TO BUILD A SWIMMING POOL.
03:05:16 WE HAVE NO OBJECTION OF THEM BUILDING A SWIMMING POOL FROM
03:05:19 FIVE FEET OF THE REAR YARD.
03:05:21 THEY WANT A VARIANCE OF THREE FEET.
03:05:23 ESSENTIALLY, BASICALLY, WHAT IS A YARD.
03:05:28 A YARD IS AN OPEN SPACE OCCUPIED AND UNOBSTRUCTED BY ANY
03:05:34 STRUCTURE OR PORTION OF A STRUCTURE.
03:05:39 IT CONTINUES.
03:05:39 MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. GRANDOFF.
03:05:41 FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:05:44 WHAT HE'S PUTTING DOWN THERE, I'LL ASK THE PEOPLE IN CTTV TO
03:05:49 BE ABLE TO SWITCH SO COUNCIL CAN SEE WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO
03:05:52 WHEN HE PUTS SOMETHING DOWN.
03:05:53 LET'S WAIT UNTIL IT COMES UP ON THE SCREEN.
03:05:59 IT'S NOT ON THEIR MONITORS.
03:06:01 ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE IT ON THE BIG TV.
03:06:03 NOT ON THE MONITORS.
03:06:04 WE GOT IT.
03:06:07 YOU CAN CONTINUE, MR. GRANDOFF.
03:06:11 JOHN GRANDOFF: THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A YARD.
03:06:14 AND I PROVIDED IN MY PETITION FOR REVIEW IN EXHIBIT A THAT
03:06:21 PART OF YOUR CRITERIA, ITEM NUMBER 3, REQUIRES THE APPLICANT
03:06:28 TO PROVE A SINGULAR AND UNIQUE HARDSHIP WITH RESPECT TO THE
03:06:32 PROPERTY, NOT A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
03:06:34 IF PERSONAL PREFERENCE WAS THE TEST, THERE WOULD BE
03:06:38 VIRTUALLY NO GROUNDS OF WHICH YOU COULD DENY A VARIANCE AND
03:06:42 THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
03:06:45 MY CLIENTS AS RECENTLY AS LAST NIGHT TOOK SEVERAL
03:06:49 PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE RAINSTORM LAST NIGHT.
03:06:55 THESE ARE NOT REAL CLEAR, BUT THIS IS WATER PUDDLING IN
03:06:59 THEIR BACKYARD, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN ON
03:07:08 THE SURVEY.
03:07:09 YESTERDAY EVENING, PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN BY KERRY AND BARBARA
03:07:13 TOOLE.
03:07:13 NOW, CITY CODE AT 21-8 VERY CLEARLY SAYS, IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR
03:07:24 ANY PERSON NOTWITHSTANDING THE ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT BY THE
03:07:28 CITY TO STOCKPILE MATERIAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA
03:07:31 OR DO ANY OTHER ACT AFFECTING THE DRAINAGE WHICH RESULTS IN
03:07:35 AN ALTERATION OF THE SURFACE OR SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE PATTERNS
03:07:40 TO THE DETRIMENT OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
03:07:46 PARDON ME FOR ONE MOMENT.
03:07:58 A LITTLE MORE CUMBERSOME DOING THIS REMOTELY.
03:08:10 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. GRANDOFF, CAN YOU PULL THE MIKE OVER
03:08:16 WHEN YOU TALK OVER THERE?
03:08:17 JOHN GRANDOFF: BEAR WITH ME HERE.
03:08:19 WE'RE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
03:08:20 MY CLIENT'S OWN THIS PROPERTY.
03:08:22 THIS IS THEIR GARAGE, SLAB ON GRADE BUILT IN 1922.
03:08:26 HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
03:08:28 THE KRAFTS WANT TO BUILD THE POOL HERE IN THEIR BACKYARD TWO
03:08:33 FEET AWAY INSTEAD OF FIVE FEET AWAY.
03:08:36 NOW, PAY ATTENTION TO THE ELEVATION --
03:08:44 [NO ENCODER]
03:09:03 -- SIX INCHES.
03:09:05 IT'S ABOUT FIVE INCHES, THE DELTA AND THE GRADE CHANGE FROM
03:09:08 THE GARAGE STAIRS AND THE LAUNDRY TO THE KRAFTS' PROPERTY.
03:09:14 THERE IS A PERCEPTIBLE DRAINAGE PROBLEM WHICH HAS BEEN
03:09:19 QUANTIFIED BY THE KRAFTS' EXPERT, WHICH I HAVE A REPORT FROM
03:09:25 HIM.
03:09:26 BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
03:09:29 ON THE APPROVAL HEARING IN FEBRUARY, WE WERE ALLOWED ONLY
03:09:35 FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT ANY TESTIMONY.
03:09:38 THEY NEVER PUT IN ANY EVIDENCE DISPUTING THE DRAINAGE
03:09:43 PROBLEM THAT WE BROUGHT UP IN NOVEMBER.
03:09:47 THE BOARD DID NOT CONSIDER THAT.
03:09:50 THEY WENT TO THE ADA AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY
03:09:54 ATTENTION TO THE STORMWATER PROBLEM.
03:09:56 WE'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS UNDER THE ADA.
03:09:58 I'LL GET INTO THE ADA IN A MOMENT.
03:10:00 BUT WE RAISED THE ISSUE OF STORMWATER DRAINAGE, SECTION 3,
03:10:05 WHICH I READ TO YOU IN MY PETITION AGAIN CAUTIONS THAT YOU
03:10:12 CANNOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE WITH THE NEIGHBORING
03:10:17 PROPERTIES PROPERTY RIGHTS.
03:10:19 CHAPTER 21, YOUR STORMWATER CODE ALSO PUTS THEM ON NOTICE OF
03:10:23 THAT.
03:10:23 I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THERE'S MORE EVIDENCE TO BE HEARD IN
03:10:26 THIS CASE, THE MOST EFFICIENT, FAIR DUE PROCESS WAY TO DO
03:10:31 THAT WOULD BE TO REMAND THIS CASE BACK TO THE VRB WITH
03:10:37 INSTRUCTIONS TO CONSIDER TESTIMONY ON STORMWATER DRAINAGE
03:10:40 BECAUSE I HAVE AN EXPERT.
03:10:43 THEY SHOWED UP WITH AN EXPERT TODAY, WHICH I HAVE NOT HAD AN
03:10:47 OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVIDENCE.
03:10:51 IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL BESIDES THAT.
03:10:55 AND THAT'S THE WAY THE HEARING SHOULD HANDLE.
03:10:57 IT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION UPON EXPERTS WEIGHED BY THE
03:11:01 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD SITTING AS THE FINDER OF FACT.
03:11:04 THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
03:11:06 THIS SHOULD NOT BE YOUR PROBLEM TO RE-TRY THIS CASE.
03:11:10 I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT YOU SHOULD REMAND THE CASE.
03:11:13 IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO HEAR THE MERITS OF THE CASE, I CAN DO
03:11:17 THAT ALSO, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REVERSE THE DECISION AND
03:11:20 DENY THE VARIANCE.
03:11:22 AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO PAUSE BECAUSE I WANT TO GET INTO
03:11:24 THE ADA ISSUE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
03:11:28 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
03:11:30 JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:11:32 MY LEANING IS IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. GRANDOFF.
03:11:39 I KNOW HE MAY BE SHOCKED AT THAT, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS,
03:11:47 WITH THIS BIG DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US AND MR. GRANDOFF'S
03:11:51 EXPERT MIGHT HAVE AN EQUALLY BIG DOCUMENT AND IF THE
03:11:54 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR THIS, MY
03:11:57 LEANING WOULD BE THAT WAY.
03:11:58 NOW, IN THE INTEREST OF DUE PROCESS, IF THE OTHER FOLKS ARE
03:12:02 HERE, YOU KNOW, MY LEANING WOULD BE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
03:12:06 REMAND, BUT IF THE OTHER FOLKS ARE HERE, I THINK IT WOULD BE
03:12:09 FAIR TO HEAR THEM OUT PROCEDURALLY AS TO MY TENTATIVE
03:12:14 MOTION, MR. CHAIR.
03:12:15 ARE THE OTHER FOLKS HERE?
03:12:20 JOHN GRANDOFF: I BELIEVE SO.
03:12:24 I'LL YIELD.
03:12:25 JOHN DINGFELDER: RELINQUISH THE PODIUM --
03:12:27 MARTIN SHELBY: HE'S NOT RELINQUISHING THE PRESENTATION.
03:12:30 I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE ASKING FOR HIS TIME TO BE
03:12:36 HELD WHILE YOU WANT THE OTHER SIDE TO ENTERTAIN THE SPECIFIC
03:12:39 MOTION THAT YOU HAVE NOT YET MADE TO PUT ON THE FLOOR.
03:12:42 OR YOU WANT TO HEAR THEIR SIDE BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION?
03:12:46 JOHN DINGFELDER: I CAN GO EITHER WAY.
03:12:49 IF COUNCIL WANTS THE ACTUAL MOTION.
03:12:52 I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION AND LET'S HEAR WHAT THEY
03:12:54 HAVE TO SAY.
03:12:56 I MOVE TO REMAND IT TO THE VRB SO THEY CAN HEAR WHATEVER
03:13:02 ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL INFORMATION IS NOW AVAILABLE THAT WAS
03:13:06 NOT PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE.
03:13:07 CHARLIE MIRANDA: TWO THINGS, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
03:13:12 THE PEOPLE THAT HIRED HENDRA HERE?
03:13:16 JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY ARE COMING UP.
03:13:17 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE SHOULD HEAR BEFORE WE DO ANY MOTIONS.
03:13:20 MR. GRANDOFF, YOU SAID YOU HAD A PROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUAL IN
03:13:26 DRAINAGE AT THAT TIME OF THE HEARING.
03:13:27 DID YOU PRESENT THAT AS EVIDENCE TO THE RECORD AND TO THE
03:13:31 PARTY THAT'S INVOLVED WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS?
03:13:34 JOHN GRANDOFF: NO, I HAVE NOT.
03:13:35 I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE PROPER FORUM TO HAVE THE
03:13:38 EVIDENCE CONSIDERED.
03:13:38 I HAVE THE REPORT HERE, BUT THE VRB SHOULD HEAR THE
03:13:42 EVIDENCE, NOT YOU.
03:13:43 CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE ONE AND DON'T HAVE THE OTHER.
03:13:45 JOHN GRANDOFF: I HAVE IT HERE.
03:13:46 I'M PREPARED TO PROVIDE IT.
03:13:50 CHARLIE MIRANDA: DUE PROCESS, THIS IS THE ONE, NOT THE
03:13:53 OTHER.
03:13:53 JOHN DINGFELDER: MY POINT IS, I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO
03:13:56 EITHER ONE.
03:13:56 I WANT TO SEND BOTH OF THOSE REPORTS BACK TO THE VRB.
03:14:00 THAT'S WHAT MY PENDING MOTION IS.
03:14:01 ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WE'RE RECEIVING
03:14:06 THIS DOCUMENT IN THE NINTH HOUR AND MR. GRANDOFF HASN'T
03:14:11 RECEIVED IT.
03:14:12 JOHN DINGFELDER: HE GOT IT NOW.
03:14:13 ORLANDO GUDES: GOT IT NOW BUT WHAT GOOD -- GETTING IT NOW.
03:14:17 I JUST GOT THIS NOW AND I'M GOING TO READ ALL THIS NOW AND
03:14:19 MAKE A DECISION?
03:14:21 JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER FOLKS?
03:14:23 ARE THEY NOT THERE?
03:14:24 MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE, IF YOU ASK THEM TO COME UP.
03:14:29 CAN YOU ASK MR. MICHELINI TO COME UP?
03:14:34 JOHN DINGFELDER: I GOT A SECOND I THINK FROM MR.
03:14:36 MANISCALCO.
03:14:36 MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BUT THERE'S
03:14:39 NO ACTION UNTIL YOU WANT TO HEAR THE PARTIES.
03:14:44 JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MICHELINI, YOU HEARD THE LIMITATION.
03:14:48 ORLANDO GUDES: BE SWORN IN.
03:14:53 THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
03:14:55 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT
03:14:57 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
03:15:00 STEVE MICHELINI: IT IS.
03:15:01 THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
03:15:02 JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. MICHELINI,
03:15:04 IS TO REMAND IT BACK SO THE VRB CAN HEAR ALL THESE TECHNICAL
03:15:09 DETAILS ABOUT STORMWATER AND FLOODING AND THAT SORT OF THING
03:15:12 WHICH APPARENTLY THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE LAST TIME.
03:15:14 I KNOW YOUR CLIENTS ARE DISAPPOINTED ABOUT ANY CONTINUANCES
03:15:18 THAT ARE DELAYING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE POOL, BUT IF YOU
03:15:20 COULD LIMIT YOUR RESPONSE TO MY MOTION, WHICH IS TO REMAND,
03:15:24 THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
03:15:26 STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT.
03:15:28 THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THE ISSUE REGARDING
03:15:31 FLOODING.
03:15:32 I PRESENTED DOCUMENTATION THAT INDICATED THAT YOU COULD NOT
03:15:36 CAUSE OFF-SITE FLOODING.
03:15:40 JOHN DINGFELDER: DID YOU GIVE THIS REPORT, STEVE?
03:15:42 STEVE MICHELINI: THIS REPORT WE JUST GOT.
03:15:44 BUT THIS IS A DE NOVO HEARING.
03:15:46 SO MR. GRANDOFF HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PREPARE OR REQUEST A
03:15:51 DRAINAGE REPORT TO BE PREPARED.
03:15:53 IN ANTICIPATION OF HIS QUESTIONS, WHICH HE RAISED IN HIS
03:15:57 APPEAL THAT WE ENGAGED AN ENGINEER TO COME IN AND CERTIFY
03:16:01 WHAT I HAD ALREADY PUT ON THE RECORD.
03:16:03 I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO REMAND THIS BACK TO
03:16:07 THE VRB, THAT YOU HEAR THE FULL TESTIMONY THAT WE'RE READY
03:16:12 TO PUT ON, INCLUDING OUR EXPERT ENGINEER.
03:16:16 MR. GRANDOFF COULD HAVE ENGAGED AN ENGINEER TO BRING FORWARD
03:16:21 TO THIS HEARING.
03:16:22 AS IT SITS NOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD WITHOUT PREJUDICE
03:16:27 AS IF IT WERE A NEW HEARING.
03:16:30 I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE GET BY RESENDING IT BACK WITHOUT
03:16:34 YOU ALL HEARING IT.
03:16:34 YOU MAY COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT YOU EITHER SUPPORT
03:16:38 US OR YOU DENY IT OR YOU REMAND IT.
03:16:41 YOU STILL HAVE THOSE OPTIONS.
03:16:43 BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE
03:16:45 FACTS, AND THESE PROCEDURAL ISSUES ARE NOT NEW FOR THIS
03:16:50 PARTICULAR CASE, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT MR. GRANDOFF HAS
03:16:54 RAISED PROCEDURAL ISSUES ON THIS CASE FROM THE VERY
03:16:57 BEGINNING.
03:16:57 WE'RE PREPARED TO GO FORWARD IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE
03:17:05 COUNCIL.
03:17:10 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MICHELINI OR MR. GRANDOFF, IF I CAN,
03:17:18 ARE EITHER EXPERTS GOING TO BE TESTIFYING TO ANYTHING IN THE
03:17:20 REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TODAY?
03:17:26 JOHN GRANDOFF: I'M SUBMITTING MY EXPERT'S REPORT, AND I'M
03:17:28 GOING TO BE QUOTING FROM HIS REPORT.
03:17:29 MARTIN SHELBY: AND WAS THAT PROVIDED TO MR. MICHELINI?
03:17:32 JOHN GRANDOFF: NO.
03:17:34 MARTIN SHELBY: AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MR. MICHELINI'S
03:17:36 REPORT HAS JUST BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU JUST NOW?
03:17:40 JOHN GRANDOFF: JUST NOW.
03:17:40 THE PROPER FORUM IS THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD WHERE WE CAN
03:17:41 HAVE EXCHANGE OF EVIDENCE.
03:17:43 MAY I BE HEARD FOR A MOMENT ON THE MOTION?
03:17:45 HOLD ON ONE SECOND, MR. GRANDOFF.
03:17:45 MR. CITRO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
03:17:50 JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MICHELINI, ARE YOU STILL THERE?
03:17:53 MR. MICHELINI, YOU CAN SEE ME, CAN'T YOU?
03:17:53 STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
03:17:53 JOSEPH CITRO: THIS REPORT I HAVE IN MY HAND, THIS IS
03:18:06 COMING FROM YOU?
03:18:06 STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
03:18:08 JOSEPH CITRO: HOW MUCH OF THIS REPORT CAN YOU REMEMBER WAS
03:18:10 PRESENTED TO THE VRB DURING THAT HEARING?
03:18:18 STEVE MICHELINI: SPECIFICALLY THAT REPORT?
03:18:19 JOSEPH CITRO: GIVE ME A BALLPARK FIGURE.
03:18:21 50%, 60%, 100%?
03:18:21 STEVE MICHELINI: THE INFORMATION REGARDING DRAINAGE AND
03:18:23 IMPACTING OFF-SITE PROPERTIES WAS 100% PROVIDED TO THE
03:18:27 BOARD.
03:18:27 JOHN DINGFELDER: UNDER WHOSE TESTIMONY?
03:18:30 STEVE MICHELINI: UNDER MY TESTIMONY.
03:18:31 THE WRITTEN REPORT WAS JUST COMPLETED YESTERDAY.
03:18:37 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
03:18:38 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, AND WE'LL BRING THIS IN
03:18:48 FOR A LANDING.
03:18:48 ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
03:18:52 I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE CRITERIA FOR A VARIANCE
03:18:54 REVIEW BOARD HEARING, THE BOARD DOES NOT LOOK AT STORMWATER.
03:18:57 THAT'S NOT REALLY A CRITERIA THEY ARE LOOKING AT.
03:19:00 THE CRITERIA ARE THE FIVE CRITERIA LISTED IN THE CODE THAT
03:19:02 ARE -- THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA, WHICH I THINK
03:19:05 MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS PROVIDED TO YOU AND MS. BARNES
03:19:09 REFERENCED IN HER PRESENTATION.
03:19:12 THE ACTUAL DETERMINATION OF STORMWATER IMPACT IS REVIEWED AT
03:19:15 TIME OF PERMITTING.
03:19:16 THAT'S WHEN IT'S REVIEWED FOR STORMWATER TECHNICAL STANDARD.
03:19:19 IT'S NOT PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE VARIANCE.
03:19:21 THE BOARD SHOULD NOT BE MAKING A MOTION EITHER FOR OR
03:19:25 AGAINST A VARIANCE BASED ON STORMWATER.
03:19:29 THAT IS A TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE THAT REGARDLESS
03:19:32 OF WHAT THE BOARD DOES OR THEY DON'T DO HAS TO BE APPROVED
03:19:36 BY CITY STAFF WHEN IT'S REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING.
03:19:39 SO WHETHER IT'S AT FIVE FEET OR IT'S AT THREE FEET, THAT IS
03:19:43 STILL A REVIEW DONE AT TIME OF PERMITTING.
03:19:47 JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THAT STATEMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:19:51 ERIC, I DON'T DIFFER WITH YOU IN REGARD TO THE PROCESS, BUT
03:19:55 THE VARIANCE HARDSHIP CRITERIA, ITEM C SAYS THAT THE
03:19:59 VARIANCE, IF GRANTED, WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE WITH
03:20:03 OR INJURE THE HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE OF OTHERS WHOSE
03:20:06 PROPERTY WOULD BE AFFECTED BY ALLOWANCE OF THE VARIANCE.
03:20:11 I THINK WE MIGHT BE SPLITTING HAIRS IF WE SAY THAT THE
03:20:13 NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO HONESTLY BELIEVES AND NOW HAS AN
03:20:20 ENGINEER SUPPORTING THEIR CONCERNS OF A FUTURE FLOODING
03:20:21 PROBLEM IF THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED.
03:20:21 SO I THINK THAT THEY ARE EITHER VERY SQUARELY ON ITEM C OF
03:20:30 THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA 27-80 OR THEY ARE VERY CLOSE TO IT.
03:20:36 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I DO RESPECT YOU,
03:20:39 ERIC.
03:20:39 I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH GOING FORWARD WITHOUT ALLOWING A
03:20:44 DISCUSSION OF THAT.
03:20:49 ERIC COTTON: I FULLY UNDERSTAND, MR. DINGFELDER.
03:20:51 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO REMAND.
03:20:53 WHO MADE THE MOTION?
03:20:55 IT WAS DINGFELDER AND MANISCALCO SECOND.
03:20:57 WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THAT?
03:21:03 MARTIN SHELBY: PLEASE.
03:21:06 CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I HEARD EVERYTHING CORRECTLY FOR WHAT
03:21:08 MR. COTTON SAID, ALL THIS, WHETHER IT'S THIS REPORT OR THE
03:21:12 OTHER REPORT THAT WASN'T SHOWN AT ANY TIME, THIS ONE TODAY,
03:21:16 THAT IT'S NOT THIS BODY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TALK ABOUT THE
03:21:21 STORMWATER.
03:21:21 THAT COMES AT PERMITTING TIME, AM I CORRECT OR INCORRECT?
03:21:29 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY
03:21:32 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
03:21:33 YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
03:21:34 WHAT MR. COTTON WAS SAYING, THAT'S A PERMITTING ISSUE.
03:21:38 CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS BOARD TO
03:21:40 ADDRESS.
03:21:42 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: IT'S NOT AN ISSUE TO ADDRESS
03:21:44 WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE PERMITTING
03:21:46 ISSUE BECAUSE STAFF WILL ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
03:21:49 BUT AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER RAISED, IS THAT THERE ARE
03:21:53 HARDSHIP CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE MET ACCORDING TO 27-80.
03:21:57 SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER OR
03:21:59 NOT THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO
03:22:03 THAT.
03:22:05 BUT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, STAFF WILL DETERMINE
03:22:08 WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY STORMWATER ISSUES.
03:22:11 CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE STEP FURTHER BACKWARDS.
03:22:13 NOT THIS BOARD OR NOT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HAS THAT
03:22:16 ISSUE TO HANDLE, RIGHT?
03:22:17 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CORRECT.
03:22:18 THEY CANNOT ADDRESS ANY PERMITTING ISSUES REGARDING
03:22:21 STORMWATER.
03:22:21 THEY CAN ONLY FOCUS ON WHETHER THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA HAS
03:22:24 BEEN MET.
03:22:24 CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:22:27 ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO
03:22:28 REMAND.
03:22:30 ROLL CALL VOTE WILL BE TAKEN.
03:22:34 BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:22:36 JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
03:22:37 CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
03:22:39 LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:22:41 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
03:22:43 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:22:44 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
03:22:46 THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND MIRANDA
03:22:48 VOTING NO.
03:22:55 ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
03:22:56 ITEM 67.
03:22:58 JOHN GRANDOFF: MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER, DO YOU NEED
03:23:01 TO DIRECT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD TO RESET THAT MATTER BY
03:23:04 YOUR MOTION OR IS IT SELF-EXECUTING.
03:23:09 CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY
03:23:10 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
03:23:11 THE DEPARTMENT WILL SET THIS FOR A NEW HEARING BASED ON THE
03:23:16 MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL MADE.
03:23:19 JOHN GRANDOFF: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON.
03:23:22 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 67.
03:23:28 MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 67 --
03:23:29 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO WITHDRAW THAT.
03:23:30 WE DID THAT EARLIER, RIGHT?
03:23:31 MARTIN SHELBY: NO, ACTUALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS
03:23:33 BEEN.
03:23:34 A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL.
03:23:37 ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY MR.
03:23:39 MIRANDA.
03:23:42 JOHN GRANDOFF: COULD I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND?
03:23:48 STEVE MICHELINI: ON 66, SIR.
03:23:51 ORLANDO GUDES: WE ALREADY HEARD THAT.
03:23:52 STEVE MICHELINI: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
03:23:54 MR. GRANDOFF REFERRED TO AN ENGINEERING AND DRAINAGE REPORT.
03:23:57 WE'D LIKE A COPY OF THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
03:23:59 HE'S INDICATED HE DOES NOT HAVE A COPY.
03:24:05 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THAT UP WITH YOUR
03:24:08 ATTORNEY AND TAKE IT UP WITH THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD AND
03:24:11 THE ATTORNEY.
03:24:11 WE'RE MOVING ON.
03:24:12 THANK YOU, SIR.
03:24:13 ITEM 67, THERE'S A MOTION TO WITHDRAW.
03:24:21 MR. DINGFELDER MOTION.
03:24:23 SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.
03:24:24 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
03:24:28 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
03:24:28 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:24:29 LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:24:30 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
03:24:31 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:24:33 BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:24:34 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
03:24:35 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
03:24:37 ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 68, FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
03:24:45 MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE THAT HAD SOMEBODY
03:24:48 WHO WAS REGISTERED ONLINE.
03:24:50 WE'RE NOT LIVE ONLINE YET.
03:24:52 ARE WE LIVE BACK ON THE INTERNET?
03:24:55 THE CLERK: YES.
03:24:56 YES, WE'RE LIVE.
03:25:00 MARTIN SHELBY: NOBODY REGISTERED ON NUMBER 68 THAT'S
03:25:03 ONLINE?
03:25:03 THE CLERK: THE ONE PERSON THAT WAS REGISTERED IS NOT
03:25:05 LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME.
03:25:08 MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
03:25:08 THANK YOU.
03:25:12 ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
03:25:13 ROSS SIMMONS, RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING COORDINATOR FOR THE
03:25:16 CITY OF TAMPA.
03:25:17 I AM HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 68, FILE VAC 20-17.
03:25:26 IT'S AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AND
03:25:29 CONSIDERATION.
03:25:29 AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND
03:25:32 ABANDONING A PORTION OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY OR ALLEYWAY LOCATED
03:25:35 SOUTH OF KNOLLWOOD STREET, NORTH OF FORD STREET, EAST OF
03:25:39 DIXON AVENUE, AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF
03:25:43 AVALON HEIGHTS, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
03:25:45 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
03:25:48 SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS,
03:25:52 COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY
03:25:55 SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:25:57 I PASSED AROUND SLIDES TO SHOW YOU, AND I WILL PRESENT THOSE
03:26:08 HERE.
03:26:09 JOHN DINGFELDER: WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL, BY THE WAY.
03:26:10 ALL THESE FOLKS WE'VE SEEN AS GHOSTS ON TELEVISION.
03:26:13 CONTRARY TO PUBLIC OPINION, WE DON'T BITE.
03:26:42 GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE.
03:26:43 THIS ALLEYWAY WAS CREATED BY THE SUBDIVISION PLAT OF AVALON
03:26:47 HEIGHTS.
03:26:49 THE ALLEY IS UNIMPROVED.
03:26:52 CURRENTLY GRASS AND DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE USED BY ANY --
03:26:56 ONLY FOR ACCESS.
03:26:59 PARTIALLY FENCED ON NORTH AND SOUTH ENDS.
03:27:01 WASTEWATER AND FRONTIER HAVE FACILITIES IN THE ALLEY.
03:27:05 AND THERE IS AN ACTIVE CODE CASE FOR FENCING IN THE
03:27:12 RIGHT-OF-WAY.
03:27:12 THIS IS A CLIP OF THE PLAT FOR AVALON HEIGHTS.
03:27:22 IT IS IN BLOCK 28.
03:27:26 PARCEL IN CONSIDERATION IS LOT ONE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME
03:27:31 OF THESE PREVIOUS ALLEYWAYS THAT ARE VACATED ARE HATCHED AND
03:27:37 THE CURRENT ONE APPLICATION IS IN BLOCK 28.
03:27:43 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM KNOLLWOOD STREET.
03:27:59 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING NORTH FROM FORD AVENUE.
03:28:12 JOSEPH CITRO: IS THE ALLEYWAY -- CAN YOU PUT THAT BACK UP,
03:28:14 PLEASE?
03:28:15 IS THE ALLEYWAY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT TELEPHONE POLE?
03:28:18 WHERE ALL THE OVERGROWTH IS?
03:28:24 YES.
03:28:26 JOHN DINGFELDER: HOLD THAT ONE SECOND.
03:28:28 THEY SAID THE FENCE OBSTRUCTS THE ALLEYWAY.
03:28:32 JOSEPH CITRO: YET IT IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE TELEPHONE
03:28:36 POLE.
03:28:37 JOHN DINGFELDER: I THOUGHT IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE FENCE IS.
03:28:40 IN OTHER WORDS, THE TELEPHONE POLE IS IN THE MIDDLE --
03:28:44 IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY IN THE MIDDLE BUT WITHIN THAT
03:28:47 ALLEYWAY, YES.
03:28:49 THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE EASEMENT RESERVATIONS,
03:28:55 RECOMMENDATIONS.
03:28:56 THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING WEST FROM DIXON
03:29:05 AVENUE.
03:29:07 THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM
03:29:15 FORD STREET, AND THIS IS THE AREA NOT TO BE VACATED.
03:29:23 JOSEPH CITRO: NOT TO SPLIT HAIRS, WHERE IS THE ALLEYWAY ON
03:29:25 THAT PICTURE?
03:29:42 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM FORD STREET,
03:29:45 WHICH IS NOT TO BE VACATED, AND THAT IS 33 HERE.
03:29:52 JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, I DO NOT MEAN TO SPLIT HAIRS.
03:29:55 IS THAT CONCRETE SLAB IN THE ALLEYWAY OR FENCE IN THE
03:29:59 ALLEYWAY OR BOTH?
03:30:03 ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF ORDER.
03:30:04 MR. CITRO HAS THE FLOOR.
03:30:07 TECHNICALLY, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TECHNICALLY SAY ONE
03:30:10 OR THE OTHER WITHOUT A FULL SURVEY, BUT FROM THE LOOKS OF
03:30:15 IT, THEY ARE BOTH --
03:30:17 JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, NO OFFENSE TO YOU, BUT YOU ARE SAYING
03:30:19 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY AND I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE
03:30:21 ALLEYWAY IS.
03:30:22 CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER PICTURE, PLEASE?
03:30:24 MR. CHAIR, PLEASE, INDULGE ME.
03:30:27 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
03:30:29 JOSEPH CITRO: THE OTHER ONE.
03:30:30 THE OTHER PICTURE.
03:30:32 THERE ARE A BUNCH OF OTHER PICTURES.
03:30:34 JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY.
03:30:34 THE ONE WITH THE TELEPHONE POLE.
03:30:37 NOW, YOU SAY THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY.
03:30:43 AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET MY BEARING ON THESE PICTURES.
03:30:46 IS IT THE PART THAT'S OVERGROWN?
03:30:50 YES.
03:30:51 PARTIALLY OVERGROWN AND THAT TELEPHONE POLE.
03:30:57 JOSEPH CITRO: I'M TRYING TO GET MY BEARING AND TRY TO
03:31:00 VISUALIZE WHERE THIS ALLEYWAY USED TO BE BEFORE THE
03:31:04 OVERGROWTH, BEFORE THE FENCE, BEFORE THE CONCRETE SLAB.
03:31:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:31:07 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
03:31:10 ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
03:31:13 JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM FORD --
03:31:19 FORD LOOKING NORTH.
03:31:20 BLOCK 28.
03:31:20 JOHN DINGFELDER: THE OTHER PICTURE YOU SHOWED US THAT HAD
03:31:22 THE OLD LOOKING FENCE -- PUT THAT MAP BACK UP -- THE OTHER
03:31:32 PICTURE YOU SHOWED US WAS LOOKING SOUTH FROM FORD TO SHOW US
03:31:37 WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET.
03:31:38 AGAIN, NOW PUT THAT PICTURE BACK UP WITH THE OLD LOOKING
03:31:41 FENCE.
03:31:42 THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH AT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY
03:31:47 RELEVANT.
03:31:55 JOSEPH CITRO: I'M NOT DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED.
03:31:57 I JUST WANTED TO VISUALIZE WHERE THE ALLEYWAY SHOULD BE.
03:32:00 IF YOU'RE LOOKING ONE WAY ON AN ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH,
03:32:07 OBVIOUSLY ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH.
03:32:09 BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THE ALLEY USED TO BE.
03:32:13 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
03:32:15 ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE GOOD NOW, SIR.
03:32:16 ALL RIGHT.
03:32:17 YOU MAY CONTINUE, SIR.
03:32:21 HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE.
03:32:24 CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING NORTH FROM KNOLLWOOD
03:32:27 STREET.
03:32:27 THAT'S AGAIN NOT TO BE VACATED.
03:32:29 THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED WITH THE APPLICATION.
03:32:32 FINALLY, THE RECOMMENDATION, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS
03:32:37 REQUEST, EASEMENTS FOR WASTEWATER AND FRONTIER MUST BE
03:32:41 RETAINED OVERALL AND COMPLY WITH CONDITIONS FOR NATURAL
03:32:43 RESOURCES.
03:32:44 AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE TELEPHONE POLE SITUATION THAT
03:32:47 YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.
03:32:48 THANK YOU.
03:32:52 ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
03:32:54 JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:32:55 DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT.
03:32:57 YOU'RE GOOD.
03:32:57 ORLANDO GUDES: ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM?
03:32:59 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
03:33:16 RHODES.
03:33:17 I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
03:33:19 ORLANDO GUDES: SWORN IN.
03:33:21 [OATH ADMINISTERED]
03:33:30 MY NAME IS BILL RHODES.
03:33:31 I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE ALLEY BEHIND MY HOUSE I'M
03:33:35 TRYING TO VACATE.
03:33:36 AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS BEEN WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
03:33:38 I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND
03:33:41 HAVE MY FENCE, VINYL FENCE THAT'S ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY.
03:33:45 THERE'S BEEN A FENCE THERE -- I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 21 YEARS.
03:33:51 BEEN A FENCE THERE THE WHOLE TIME.
03:33:51 IT WAS A DILAPIDATED WOODEN FENCE AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS
03:33:58 REALLY COMING UP.
03:33:58 WE HAVE $400,000 HOME THAT JUST SOLD RECENTLY AND A $300,000
03:34:03 BEHIND MY HOUSE.
03:34:04 SO I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEFINITELY
03:34:09 FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY ON TRIMMING THE
03:34:12 TREES AND KEEPING THE GRASS DOWN AND THE WEEDS.
03:34:15 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THAT I'VE TAKEN FROM YOU TO EXPLAIN
03:34:21 MY SITUATION.
03:34:22 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:34:23 ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
03:34:26
03:34:30 MARTIN SHELBY: JUST TO CONFIRM --
03:34:37 ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE?
03:34:45 MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.
03:34:45 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
03:34:47 ROLL CALL PLEASE.
03:34:48 ORLANDO GUDES: WILL YOU MOVE IT, SIR?
03:35:03 LUIS VIERA: SURE. MOVE AN ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING
03:35:14 CONSIDERATION, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING
03:35:16 A PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEY LOCATED SOUTH OF
03:35:21 KNOLLWOOD STREET NORTH OF FORD STREET EAST OF DIXON AVENUE
03:35:24 AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF AVALON HEIGHTS
03:35:28 A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
03:35:30 FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT
03:35:33 TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS,CO COVENANTS, CONDITIONS
03:35:37 AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN
03:35:40 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:35:41 GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
03:35:44 ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.
03:35:47 MR. DINGFELDER.
03:35:47 JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF VACATING ALLEYS, AS
03:35:51 MOST OF YOU KNOW, AND MR. CARLSON AND I ARE OFTEN IN
03:35:56 OPPOSITION TO THESE.
03:35:57 BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE LOOKS LIKE IT ONLY HAS AN IMPACT
03:36:00 POTENTIALLY ON FOUR HOUSES AND SPECIFICALLY HAS A TELEPHONE
03:36:08 POLE THAT WOULD BLOCK ANY ACCESS, VEHICULAR ACCESS OR WHAT
03:36:13 HAVE YOU.
03:36:14 AND IT'S APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE NEVER BEEN
03:36:18 USED BY ANY OF THOSE FOUR HOUSES.
03:36:20 SO IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
03:36:23 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:36:24 ROLL CALL.
03:36:25 CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:36:27 LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:36:28 JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
03:36:30 GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:36:31 BILL CARLSON: NO.
03:36:33 JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
03:36:35 ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
03:36:37 THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
03:36:40 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
03:36:43 WELL, IT'S WELL PAST 1:30 SO WE GO TO ITEM 69.
03:36:48 THE CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON
03:36:51 JULY 15th, 2021 AT 9:30 A.M., AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO
03:36:56 ITEM NUMBER 5 AND 6 BECAUSE I THINK I FAILED TO MENTION
03:37:00 THOSE.
03:37:01 FOR BOTH OF THOSE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL ALSO
03:37:03 BEING HELD ON JULY 15, 2021 AT 9:30 A.M.
03:37:07 ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
03:37:11 ITEM 69.
03:37:13 CHIEF OF STAFF.
03:37:13 GOOD AFTERNOON.
03:37:19 I AM NOT THE CHIEF OF STAFF BUT I AM HERE RESPECTFULLY ON
03:37:22 BEHALF OF CHIEF OF STAFF, CAROLE POST, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
03:37:25 OPPORTUNITY.
03:37:26 TODAY I HAVE TWO ITEMS TO REPORT TO YOU UNDER THE
03:37:28 ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
03:37:32 SAVING CHIEF OF STAFF THE STEPS ACROSS THE PARKING LOT.
03:37:37 FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ABBYE FEELEY UP.
03:37:40 THERE WAS A MEMO TRANSMITTED TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
03:37:43 REQUESTING DIALOGUE AND I HOPE SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT HE
03:37:46 SCHEDULING OR RESETTING SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT WOULD BE
03:37:50 BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, IN AN EFFORT
03:37:53 TO CATCH UP ON SOME OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS AND OTHER
03:37:57 MATTERS, AS WE KNOW THEY ARE EXTENDING SO FAR INTO THE
03:38:00 NIGHT, AND ALSO GETTING BACK UP ON CALENDARING.
03:38:04 ABBEY CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT.
03:38:06 I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO
03:38:09 HELP KIND OF SEE US THROUGH CATCHING THOSE CASES UP, AND
03:38:12 GETTING OURSELVES BACK ON COURSE.
03:38:14 SECONDLY WOULD BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY MYSELF AND CHIEF
03:38:19 BUILDING OFFICIAL JOHN HUTCHINSON WHO IS HERE IN THE
03:38:22 AUDIENCE AS WELL TO UPDATE THIS GROUP ON MORE THAN A YEAR'S
03:38:25 WORTH OF ACTIVITY THAT'S BEEN DONE AT OUR CONSTRUCTION
03:38:29 SERVICES AND OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CENTER RELATIVE TO
03:38:32 CUSTOMER SERVICE IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER WAYS TO MAKE IT
03:38:35 EASIER TO DO BUSINESS WITH ON THE DEVELOPMENT FRONT.
03:38:39 SO I HAVE THOSE TWO PRESENTATIONS.
03:38:41 I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES
03:38:44 HERE AT THE CITY WITH INTERNET AND WI-FI ACCESS.
03:38:47 THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SEEING SOME OF THE ACTUAL BODIES OF THE
03:38:50 FRIENDLY FACES OF OUR COORDINATION TEAM HERE, AND I WOULD
03:38:53 LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY SCRAMBLE VERY QUICKLY TO COME BE
03:38:57 ON-SITE.
03:38:58 I HEARD SOMEONE TOOK A SCOOTER OVER HERE TO MAKE IT ON TIME.
03:39:02 SO I APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS.
03:39:04 SO WITH THAT LET ME TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR ABBYE FEELEY
03:39:07 FOR THE FIRST TIME WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE A MEMORANDUM ABOUT
03:39:10 AROUND RESCHEDULING SOME OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL AND OTHER
03:39:13 RELATED MATTERS ON THE CALENDAR.
03:39:15 THANKS.
03:39:15 JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ARE GOING TO MAKE VIK REALLY HAPPY IF
03:39:20 YOU ARE USING A SCOOTER.
03:39:22 INCLUDING SCOOTER JOE.
03:39:36 JC HAS BEEN OUT WITH ME ON SOME RECENT PROJECTS SO WE ARE
03:39:40 EXCITED TO HAVE HIM WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON FOR THAT
03:39:42 PRESENTATION AS WELL.
03:39:43 I JUST WANTED TO START BRIEFLY AND WISH YOU A HAPPY
03:39:46 BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
03:39:48 I DID NOTE GET TO DO THAT WHEN I FIRST CAME UP.
03:39:51 JOSEPH CITRO: I WANT TO THANK ALL FOR HAVING THIS IN
03:40:03 FRONT OF ME ESPECIALLY YOU, ABBEY, THAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING
03:40:07 YEARS.
03:40:08 THANK YOU, MRS. FEELEY.
03:40:12 ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.
03:40:13 I THINK ANASTASIA BARNES, SHE ACTUALLY BROKE HER ANKLE SO
03:40:17 SHE WAS DOWN HERE ON A ME SCOOTER TODAY.
03:40:20 WE DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD COUNCIL UP.
03:40:22 SO REALLY THANKFUL TO MY TEAM FOR JUMPING INTO ACTION AND
03:40:27 BEING PRESENT THIS AFTERNOON.
03:40:29 I KNOW IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS GIVEN THE PANDEMIC AND OTHER
03:40:32 ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF
03:40:35 DIFFERENT CONCESSIONS IN KEEPING OUR BUSINESS MOVING FORWARD
03:40:38 INCLUDING BEING AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, BEING HERE, BEING
03:40:42 HYBRID, BEING JUST INTERACTING IN SO MANY NEW DIFFERENT
03:40:46 WAYS.
03:40:47 I AM HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE UPCOMING COUNCIL
03:40:49 CALENDAR AND OUR APPLICATION FILINGS FOR THE REMAINDER OF
03:40:54 THE YEAR.
03:40:57 A BIT OF BACKGROUND.
03:40:59 HAVING PROCESSED THE REZONINGS TO COUNCIL FOR CLOSE TO 15
03:41:02 YEARS MYSELF, WE ALWAYS WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE 13 ITEMS ON THE
03:41:07 AGENDA.
03:41:08 WE USED THOSE TYPICALLY AS TEN NEW ITEMS AND THREE PENDING
03:41:11 ITEMS.
03:41:12 SO WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU, WHEN A CONTINUANCE OCCURRED, WE
03:41:18 WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL SLOT READY FOR THEM TO GO TO.
03:41:20 RECENTLY, COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GO TO TEN
03:41:25 ITEMS, AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT, BUT BASED ON THIS
03:41:30 DIRECTION AND LIMITATION OF TEN AND OUR CURRENT RATE OF
03:41:34 FILINGS, WE NOW HAVE APPLICATIONS SCHEDULED OUT TILL
03:41:37 DECEMBER.
03:41:38 AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHY IT'S KIND OF WEIRD.
03:41:57 HERE IS OUR APPLICATION DEADLINE.
03:41:59 AS YOU ALL NEW YORK CITY WE WORK OPEN A CYCLE.
03:42:01 APPLICATIONS COME IN, 30 DAYS LATER, GO TO CRC, 30 DAYS
03:42:06 LATER REVISED, 30 DAYS LATER THEY COME TO YOU SO WE ARE
03:42:09 ABOUT A 90 TO 105 PROCESS FOR REZONINGS THAT COME BEFORE
03:42:14 YOU.
03:42:24 ON MAY 24th WE HAD A LARGE NUMBER OF FILINGS BUT WITH
03:42:27 THE TEN-CASE LIMITATION, WE FILLED UP THROUGH DECEMBER.
03:42:33 WE HAVE ONE CASE NOW ON DECEMBER.
03:42:35 SO NEXT WEEK ON JUNE 28th WE WILL HAVE OUR NEXT
03:42:39 DEADLINE.
03:42:40 THOSE TEN CASES IN THEORY WOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THE
03:42:42 OCTOBER 14th HEARING BUT THERE'S ALREADY TEN MAX.
03:42:46 SO WE ARE ABOUT 21 CASES OVER THE CYCLE WHERE WE TECHNICALLY
03:42:54 SHOULD BE.
03:42:54 SO ANYTHING THAT COMES IN I KNOW WILL FINISH UP DECEMBER AND
03:42:59 THEN WE'LL GO TO JANUARY.
03:43:01 BUT WE ARE AHEAD OF OURSELVES BY SEVERAL MONTHS IN WHAT'S
03:43:04 COMING IN.
03:43:07 SO I DID PROVIDE A MEMORANDUM TO YOU AND A COUPLE OF
03:43:13 RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU
03:43:16 AND SEE IF THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING.
03:43:18 THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS -- OH, I'M SORRY, ONE THING I
03:43:22 FAILED TO GO OVER.
03:43:24 IN ADDITION TO US PLACING CASES ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION
03:43:27 COMES TO YOU AND ALSO ASKS FOR ONE OF THOSE NIGHT HEARINGS.
03:43:31 AND THEY USED TO USE ONE OF THE SECOND HEARINGS OF THE
03:43:34 MONTH, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE 15 CASES THAT THEY ARE
03:43:38 GETTING READY TO COME TO YOU TO SET.
03:43:40 WELL, IF THEY USE ONE OF OUR TWO EVENING HEARINGS, THEN WE
03:43:47 WON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO PUT ANY CASES ON THAT NIGHT.
03:43:50 SO MY FIRST RECOM