TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JULY 15, 2021
9:00 A.M.

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[SOUNDING GAVEL]
09:04:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING JULY 15,
2021.
I THINK YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION THIS MORNING, SIR.
09:04:56 >>BILL CARLSON:
I PROUDLY INTRODUCE A LONG TIME FRIEND,
JESSE JOHNSON. HE'S A NATIVE FLORIDIAN OF CUBAN DESCENT.
HE AND HIS WIFE KATY MOVED TO FLORIDA IN 2007.
THEY HAVE A TEN-YEAR-OLD SON JAKE AND 8-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER
ELIZABETH.
JESSE IS A REAL ESTATE CONSULTANT WITH SEVILLES WHERE HE
LEADS AN INTERNATIONAL TEAM BASED IN L.A., LONDON,
SINGAPORE, HONG KONG AND HIS FAMILY IS ACTIVE AT THE CHURCH
I GO TO HYDE PARK METHODIST WHERE HE AND HIS WIFE SERVED IN
MINISTRIES FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS.
I WANT TO THANK HIM PUBLICLY FOR THAT, BUT ALSO IF YOU ARE
NOT A PASTOR, THEY CALL YOU A LAY PERSON, AND HE IS

REGULARLY THE LAY PERSON WHO GIVES PRAYERS AT OUR CHURCH AND
DOES A GREAT JOB OF IT.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA GOT TO HEAR
HIM THIS MORNING.
IF EVERYONE WILL RISE AND HE WILL DO THE INVOCATION AND
WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU.
09:05:56 >> MY CHRISTIAN FAITH TEACHES ME THAT GOD'S PLAN FOR SAVING
THE WORLD IS IN THE DAILY RESPONSE OF ORDINARY FAITHFUL
PEOPLE WHO HEAR HIS CALL AND ACTIVE PURPOSE.
SO IT'S IN THAT SPIRIT THAT I WILL READ FROM A HYMN THAT
ARTICULATES THAT CALL.
WILL YOU COME AND FOLLOW ME IF I BUT CALL YOUR NAME?
WILL YOU GO WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW AND NEVER BE THE SAME?
WILL YOU LET MY LOVE BE SHOWN?
WILL YOU LET MY NAME BE KNOWN?
WILL YOU LET MY LIFE BE GROWN INTO, AND YOU IN ME?
WILL YOU LET THE BLIND SEE IF I BUT CALL YOUR NAME?
WILL YOU SET THE PRISONERS FREE AND NEVER BE THE SAME?
WILL YOU KISS THE LEOPARD CLEAN AND DO THINGS SUCH AS THIS
UNSEEN AND ADMIT TO WHAT I MEAN IN YOU, AND YOU IN ME?
WILL YOU LOVE THE YOU, YOU HIDE, IF I BUT CALL YOUR NAME?
WILL YOU QUELL THE FEAR INSIDE AND NEVER BE THE SAME?
WILL YOU USE THE FAITH YOU FOUND TO RESHAPE THE WORLD
AROUND?

THROUGH MY SIGHT AND TOUCH AND SOUND IN YOU
AND YOU IN ME.
THERE'S A FINAL VERSE TO THIS HYMN THAT I WILL NOT READ
BECAUSE IT'S THE RESPONSE TO THIS CALL.
SO FATHER, MY PRAYER, MY HUMBLE INVITATION, IS THE EACH OF
US HEARS THIS SONG IN OUR OWN HEART TODAY AND RESPOND TO
YOU, AND THAT WE ARE NEVER THE SAME.
EN.
[ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
[ROLL CALL]
09:08:11 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:08:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
TODAY IS THE 15th OF JULY AND WE ARE HERE AT OLD CITY
HALL, AND WE ARE HERE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS PURSUANT TO YOUR
RULES OF PROCEDURE WITH AMENDMENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
COUNCIL TO VOTE TO WAIVE THE RULES TO MAKE THEM CONSISTENT
WITH THAT WHICH IS IN THE NOTICE THAT WAS POSTED AND
PROVIDED AND IS PRESENT IN THE AGENDA.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, PER COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AT THE
LAST MEETING, I AM GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO WAIVE THE RULES
TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NOTICE.
09:08:59 >> MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES.
MOTION BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:09:06 >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A MOTION FOR RESOLUTION.
I ASK IF I MAY, BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE
WATCHING THIS --
09:09:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, THE ROLE NEEDS TO BE TAKEN
BEFORE THE VOTE.
WE'LL COME BACK AFTER APPROVAL.
MADAM CLERK.
09:09:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
09:09:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
09:09:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)
09:09:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:09:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:09:41 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH DINGFELDER
BEING ABSENT.
09:09:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY THE WAIVING OF
THE RULES, MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS NOW POSTED IN THE
AGENDA, AND IT IS ALSO THE NOTICE.
09:09:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIR.
09:10:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OH, WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENTS?
IT'S CONTINUING IN THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST PER COUNCIL'S
DIRECTION.
09:10:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:10:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I HAVE A RESOLUTION, SIR, THAT I PASSED ON MONDAY TO CITY
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
YOU JUST RECEIVED A LETTER FROM CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR'S
OFFICE IN REGARD TO THIS.
SINCE CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE HERE AND WATCHING THIS, I WOULD ASK
THE CHAIR'S CONSENTS TO HAVE THIS DONE, AND I DON'T
ANTICIPATE THIS TAKING A DARN LONG TIME, BUT EITHER BEFORE
THE CONSENT AGENDA OR AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICHEVER
ONE THE CHAIR WOULD PREFER IF YOU WOULD SO GRANT THAT, SIR.
OH, I'M SO SORRY.
OF COURSE.
PUBLIC COMMENT, YEAH.
09:10:57 >> I THINK WE NEED A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE NEED AS
A CITY AND COMMUNITY TO HELP PEOPLE AND A RESOLUTION LIKE
THIS IS MORE OF A PUBLICITY STUNT LIKE THE PRESS CONFERENCE
YESTERDAY AND WE NEED TO THINK HARD.
WE PASSED SOMETHING THAT SAYS GENERICALLY, IT'S NOT GOING TO
HELP ANYBODY IN CUBA.
WE CAN SAY THAT PUBLICLY.
I AM HAPPY TO PASS A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS SIMPLY THAT WE
SUPPORT PEOPLE IN GIVING POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM BUT
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT ACTUAL
SOLUTIONS THAT HELP THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST A STATEMENT THAT'S

NOT GOING TO HELP THEM AT ALL.
THANK YOU.
09:11:39 >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I RESPOND TO THAT?
09:11:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:11:42 >>LUIS VIERA:
IT'S THE FIRST TIME I EVER HAD SOMEBODY WHOSE
FAMILY IS NOT FROM CUBA, NOT A CUBAN REFUGEE. TO SAY THAT
SOMETHING THAT I'M TRYING TO DO ON CUBA FROM THE HEART IS A
PUBLICITY STUNT, MR. CARLSON, AND THAT'S NOT WELL TAKEN AT
ALL.
I AM SIMPLY SAYING THAT MY MOTION, MR. CARLSON, WAS TO DEAL
WITH OTHER ISSUES TO COMBAT MY "PUBLICITY STUNT," SO TO
SPEAK.
YOU CAN DO SO AT ANOTHER TIME.
BUT I AM ASKING FOR MY MOTION TO BE HEARD AT THAT TIME.
09:12:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, PUBLICITY STUNT OR NOT, WE ARE GOING
TO RESPECT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS A PLACE THAT WE
CONDUCT BUSINESS. IF YOU WANT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR ASKING
TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION, WE WILL CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION
BEFORE A VOTE.
IF MR. CARLSON WANTS TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT HOW WE CAN
HELP CUBAN AMERICANS, THAT WILL BE FINE TO DO SO AS WELL.
09:12:30 >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN I HAVE IT HEARD AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT,
SIR?
09:12:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
ANYBODY ELSE WANTS A DISCUSSION BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION?

MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:12:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A MOTION FOR THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
APPROPRIATE, PARTICULARLY AS THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE IS FOR
THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM, SO YOU CAN MAKE
ADDITIONS, SUBSTITUTIONS, DELETIONS, CONSENT DOCKET FOR
STAFF REPORTS, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN
TAKE UP AND NOT TAKE ACTION ON NECESSARILY RIGHT NOW BUT TO
ADD TO THE AGENDA AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT THE COUNCILMAN
REQUESTED WHICH IS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THE ANSWER IS, ONCE WE DO THAT, AND THERE'S A MOTION, I
DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SECOND TO IT YET.
I DON'T RECALL.
09:13:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THERE A SECOND TO MR. VIERA'S MOTION?
MR. CITRO.
09:13:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AFTER THAT IS DONE THEN WE CAN COMPLETE
THE PROCESS OF THE APPROVAL AND THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM
BUT THIS THE FIRST MOTION.
09:13:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
09:13:38 >> NO.
09:13:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
ROLL CALL.
09:13:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
09:13:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

09:13:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
09:13:50 >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, YES.
09:13:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:13:53 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT
AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
09:13:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET'S MOVE TO THE AGENDA FOR APPROVALS.
WE HAVE A CONTINUANCE.
WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 3.
09:14:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ITEM NUMBER 3 IS ON FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
HOWEVER, COUNCIL, THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD AS A PUBLIC HEARING
IN THAT THE PUBLIC WAS NOTICED, AND YOU CAN HEAR IT AT ANY
TIME AFTER 9 A.M., BUT THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE AMENDED
TO BE HEARD AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
09:14:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WHEN WE GET TO ITEM NUMBER 3, PUBLIC HEARING.
09:14:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
YOU CAN TAKE IT UP ANYTIME AFTER 9:00.
IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:14:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 29.
MR. SHELBY.
09:14:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ITEM NUMBER 29 IS A REQUEST FOR IT TO BE
HEARD UNDER STAFF REPORTS DUE TO THE AMOUNT EXCEEDING $3
MILLION, SO THAT WOULD BE HEARD AT OR AFTER 1:30 P.M. UNDER
POLICY.

ALSO, MR. CHAIRMAN, A REMINDER THAT YOU HAD SENT OUT A MEMO
TO PULL NUMBERS 5 AND 42 FOR DISCUSSION UNDER STAFF REPORTS
AT 1:30 AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE NOTATED IN THE FINAL AGENDA
UNDER THOSE ITEM NUMBERS SO THAT PUTS THE ADMINISTRATION ON
NOTICE WITH REGARD TO THAT.
THAT TO BE HEARD IN THE AFTERNOON.
09:15:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO SUBSTITUTE OF 42, CORRECT?
09:15:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
AND THERE IS A SUBSTITUTION ITEM NUMBER 42.
THAT'S CORRECT.
LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.
YES, IT IS.
09:15:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CONSENT ITEMS.
09:15:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT WITH REGARD TO THE
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM UNLESS THERE'S
ANYTHING ELSE.
09:16:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STAFF REPORTS?
09:16:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE CAN FIND OUT WHO CAN BE FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO BE PRESENT, AND THE REST OF THE
ADMINISTRATION WHO ARE NOT NEEDED CAN ACTUALLY BE RELEASED
TO GO BACK TO WHAT THEY DO.
SO IF YOU WISH TO GO THROUGH THOSE ITEM NUMBER 100 IS THE
ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
ITEM NUMBER 2 IS A RESOLUTION REGARDING THE RELEASE OF AN
EASEMENT WHICH WAS CONTINUED FROM JUNE 3rd.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A STAFF REPORT.
THERE PROBABLY IS; CONTINUED.
AND THE OTHER ITEMS, FOR INSTANCE, ITEM 102 IS ON THE AGENDA
BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, THEN ALL YOU WOULD NEED TO DO
THEN AT THE TIME THE IS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
SAME THING WITH ITEM NUMBER 103.
AND I BELIEVE ITEM 104.
09:17:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER IS NOT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO BE HERE OR NOT.
BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT MAYBE MR. BAIRD STICK AROUND IN
CASE MR. DINGFELDER DOES SHOW UP, BUT THERE ARE ISSUES HERE
AND I KNOW HE'S ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THOSE ITEMS.
09:17:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
IF THAT'S FINE WITH COUNCIL, THAT WILL BE FINE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER IS
EXPECTED.
HE'S RUNNING LATE.
09:17:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:17:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO WHEN HE GETS HERE WE CAN REVIEW THAT IF
THAT'S PLEASURE'S -- COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
OTHER THAN THAT I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.
MOTION TO APPROVE WOULD BE IN ORDER.
09:17:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, ANYTHING ELSE?
MOTION TO APPROVE?

MR. MIRANDA MOVED.
MR. CITRO SECONDED.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MR. CARLSON, I THINK YOU ARE UP FOR CEREMONIALS.
GENTLEMEN, WE DO HAVE A FULL PACKED AGENDA TODAY, SO I KNOW
EVERYONE HAS ISSUES AND CONCERNS.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE LIMIT IT TO A FEW DISCUSSIONS SO WE CAN
KIND OF GET OUT OF HERE TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS
TODAY.
WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, SIR.
09:18:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
I AM PLEASED TO INTRODUCE A LONG TIME FRIEND, ARIZONA
JENKINS.
I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW HIM OR ARE FRIENDS WITH HIM ALSO.
HE IS VERY, VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
MANY PEOPLE KNOW HIM BECAUSE HE HITS MANY OF THE MAJOR CIGAR
PLACES.
IN FACT IT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN HIM WITHOUT A CIGAR.
ARIZONA IS SOMEONE WHO IS BELOVED BY EVERYONE, SOMEBODY THAT
SAID TO ME YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW THERE'S A GUY I HAVE BEEN
TRYING TO MEET AND I HAVE BEEN CALLING, CALLING, HE DOESN'T
RETURN MY CALLS.
BUT ARIZONA WAS WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH HIM.

SO ARIZONA JUST SAYS, HE'S INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF THINGS.
I WILL TELL A QUICK STORY.
YOU LEARN A LOT BY HAVING FRIENDS LIKE ARIZONA.
HE AND I WERE WALKING DOWN THE STREET ONE DAY AND HE SAID,
WHY ARE YOU WALKING SO SLOW?
AND I AM SAID I THOUGHT YOU NEED TO GO SLOW.
HE SAID NO.
HE HIT THE GAS ON HIS CHAIR, AND HE ZOOMED WAY PAST ME AND
SAID, YOU NEED TO SPEED UP.
SO HE'S TAUGHT ME A LOT.
HE'S BEEN A GOOD FRIEND.
AND HE'S BEEN A GOOD FRIEND TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND HE JUST WON A STATE WIDE AWARD FOR HELPING THE
DISABILITY COMMUNITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO READ THIS REAL FAST, THE COMMENDATION.
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WISHES TO RECOGNIZE, COMMEND YOUR MANY
ACHIEVEMENTS AS A RECIPIENTS.
IDELIO VALDES LEADERSHIP AWARD, YOU HAVE GUIDED OUR
TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN
SERVING ALL THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA THROUGH NEW HORIZONs,
YOU HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO MENTOR CITIZENS AND THE YOUTH
OF OUR CITY TO BE CHAMPIONS OF THEIR OWN CAUSE AND
INDEPENDENCE, POWERS ITS MEMBERS WITH FREE TRANSPORTATION,
TRAINING, SOCIAL GATHERINGS AND SELF-ADVOCACY TRAINING, YOUR
KINDNESS AND GENEROSITY AND LEADERSHIP INSPIRED COUNTLESS

CITIZENS AND MADE THE CITY OF TAMPA A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL
THE CITIZENS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO LET ARIZONA SAY SOMETHING BUT WOULD ANY
OF YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST?
09:20:43 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR THIS
COMMENDATION FOR THIS FINE GENTLEMAN.
I APPRECIATE IT.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY AND WHATNOT, AND
DISABILITIES IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I SEE RAQUEL WHO DOES SUCH A GREAT JOB WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA FOR ISSUES WITH DISABILITIES.
MR. FOX WHO I KNOW HAS A BIG HEART FOR THAT ISSUE AS WELL.
AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD,
BUT THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, SIR, IN THE COMMUNITY, TO
SHOW PEOPLE THAT THE HEART IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MUSCLE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:21:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS, SIR, ON THIS WELL
DESERVED AWARD.
YOU ARE A GOOD MAN.
WE ARE FRIENDS.
WE KNOW EACH OTHER THROUGH THE CIGAR SHOP.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED, WE KNOW WHERE TO FIND YOU, AND
YOU HAVE A LOT OF FANS.
YOU HAVE QUITE A FOLLOWING.
AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE.

CONGRATULATIONS.
WE ARE GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE WITH US TODAY, SIR.
09:21:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
ARIZONA, MY FRIEND, AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT ARIZONA AND I
WORKED TOGETHER ON LIVABLE ROADWAYS.
ARIZONA, YOU ALWAYS BRING UP THE TOPIC OF THE NEEDS FOR
DISABLED.
AND I THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP.
AND I ALWAYS ENJOY WORKING WITH YOU.
ARIZONA, CONGRATULATIONS.
09:22:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
LIKE WAS SAID BEFORE MY COLLEAGUES, IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE
YOU ONCE AGAIN AND YOU AND YOUR GROUP, MR. FOX AND THE REST
OF YOU.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR THOSE CAN'T DO A LOT BUT THEY
CAN DO MORE THAN MOST OF US WHO CAN DO A LOT.
WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
AND GLAD THAT YOU BEAT MR. CARLSON WITH THE LONG LEGS THAT
HE HAS.
I THINK YOU COULD BEAT HIM IF YOU DIDN'T PUT IT IN HIGH GEAR
BECAUSE YOUR HEART IS BIGGER THAN HIS LEGS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:22:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, ARIZONA, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

YOU SHOWED THIS COMMUNITY THAT NO MATTER WHAT DISABILITIES
YOU HAD, YOU CAN GET OUT THERE AND STILL SERVE THE PUBLIC.
YOU STILL GET OUT THERE AND ENJOY THE PEOPLE, SOCIAL
ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU, MY FRIEND.
09:22:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
AS ARIZONA IS COMING UP, I WILL JUST SAY
FOR ANYBODY WATCHING WHO NEEDS HELP IN THE DISABILITY
COMMUNITY OR NEEDS SUPPORT, ARIZONA IS NOT SOMEONE WHO LIKES
TO GIVE COMMENDATIONS.
HE LIKES TO HAVE THE WORK SHOW FOR ITSELF.
BUT PLEASE CONTACT HIM BECAUSE HE'S A BIG ADVOCATE IN THE
COMMUNITY.
ARIZONA, DO YOU WANT TO BE SAY ANYTHING?
09:23:17 >> ARIZONA JENKINS:
THANK YOU ALL, I AM VERY HONORED TO BE
HERE.
ALWAYS GO TO WORK EVERY DAY TO IMPROVE FOR PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES.
TO IMPROVE EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE.
IT GIVES ME PLEASURE TO HELP PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
BUT WE TRAIN, TEACH.
I HAVE KNOWN YOU GUYS A LONG TIME.
AND THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE.
LOVE YOU AND SUPPORT YOU.
09:25:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
[ APPLAUSE ]

09:25:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
09:25:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK MR. VIERA IS UP WITH HIS
PRESENTATION, ITEM NUMBER 2.
MR. VIERA, YOU ARE UP FOR ITEM NUMBER 2.
09:26:15 >>LUIS VIERA:
IT'S MY GREAT PLEASURE HERE TO INCLUDE WITH
US HERE, TO WELCOME HERE, MISS RENE WARMACK WHO IS A TAMPA
NATIVE, USF ALUMNAE AND FILM MAKER BECAUSE OF SAM.
IT PREMIERED IN TAMPA TO A SOLD-OUT AUDIENCE.
I WAS GLAD TO BE THERE.
THE TALE OF A MAN NAMED SAM PIAZZA DISCOVERED IN THE TAMPA
TRIBUNE WHEN HE BECAME HOMECOMING QUEEN.
HE HAS A BLACK BELT IN KARATE, LED HIS BEST BUDDY CHAPTER IN
HIGH SCHOOL, WORKED AT PDQ, A WONDERFUL PLACE, FOR EIGHT
YEARS AND WAS BORN WITH DOWN'S SYNDROME.
BECAUSE OF SAM TRANSFORMS HOW THE PEOPLE VIEWS PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES AND INSPIRES EVERYONE TO PURSUE THEIR DREAMS.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY WONDERFUL EFFORT.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING SAM, MAYBE SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE
YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD OF TAMPA BAY BEST BUDDIES,
AND SAM IS ONE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE I KNOW WHO COMES FROM A
WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL FAMILY.
SO I WOULD -- WE ARE FIRST DOING THE TRAILER?
IF WE COULD PUT THE FILM ON, PLEASE.
09:27:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY, I.T.
09:27:35 >> YOU HAVE GOT TO PICK IT UP NOW.

09:27:43 >> NO WAY.
NO WAY!
[MUSIC]
09:28:14 >> OTHER EMPLOYERS LOOK AT SAM AND KNOW WHAT HE MEANT TO OUR
COMPANY.
09:28:19 >> BECAUSE OF SAM, OUR LIFE IS RICHER.
09:28:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
WONDERFUL.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST INVITE FOR A BRIEF PRESENTATION
RENEE AND SAM.
COME ON UP, FOLKS.
09:28:43 >> GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR HAVING US HERE, AND
TO THE DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL THAT'S PRESENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT, BECAUSE OF SAM, HERE TO
TALK ABOUT ANOTHER BACK TO BACK CHAMPION, CONGRATULATIONS TO
TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING BUT I HAVE SAM PIAZZA, 31 YEARS OLD, AND
I AM SO PLEASED TO BE WITH HIM AND TO HAVE PRODUCED THIS
MOVIE.
CREATING LAWS AND HAVING THEM ON THE BOOKS IS ONE THING, BUT
HAVING FOLKS UNDERSTAND THEM AND CARE ABOUT THEM AND SUPPORT
THEM AS YOU KNOW IS REALLY WHAT MATTERS.
BECAUSE OF SAM TOUCHES HEARTS AND CHANGES MIND, AND WE ARE
SO HONORED THAT THE PIAZZA FAMILY AND SAM SHARES THEIR STORY
"BECAUSE OF SAM." AND JULY 31, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER
SCREENING AT TAMPA THEATRE AT 1:00.

TICKETS ON SALE NEXT WEEK.
I AM GOING TO HAVE SAM SAY A FEW WORDS HERE.
AND I APPRECIATE IT.
09:29:48 >> HI, COUNCILMEN.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY TO PROMOTE AWARENESS OF
THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.
AS A PERSON WITH INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY, I
WANT PEOPLE TO SEE ME FOR WHO I AM BECAUSE OF SAM TEACHES
THE WORLD THAT PEOPLE WITH DOWN'S SYNDROME SHOULD NOT BE
DEFINED BY THEIR OWN DISABILITY.
WE ARE VERY CAPABLE OF LIVING NORMAL LIVES, HAVING A JOB FOR
NINE YEARS, AND HAVING A GIRLFRIEND, AND MAKING A POSITIVE
IMPACT IN THE WORLD.
I HOPE YOU WILL WATCH "BECAUSE OF SAM" AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS
AND BUSINESS COLLEAGUES TO WATCH IT, TOO.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
09:31:22 >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU KNOW, SAM IS ONE OF SO MANY PEOPLE IN
THIS CITY, IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS AND
INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
HE IS ONE OF MANY, THAT HE'S JUST SUCH AN EXCEPTIONAL,
WONDERFUL GUY.
SO WE WILL NOW LEAVE TO THE OUR COLLEAGUES ON TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL, IF YOU GENTLEMEN WANT TO SPEAK.

09:31:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN VIERA
FOR BRINGING SAM AND RENEE HERE.
YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION.
I FOLLOWED YOU FOR MANY YEARS, AND EVERY DAY YOU ARE AN
INSPIRATION.
YOU SERVE THE COMMUNITY YOU GIVE HOPE TO PEOPLE.
YOU INSPIRE PEOPLE YOU MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO BECOME BETTER.
JUST BY YOU, BY YOUR PRESENCE, BY YOUR MESSAGES, BY THE
THINGS YOU SAY.
YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOURSELF.
AND TO RENEE, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, FOR THE FILM
THAT YOU HAVE MADE, AND BRINGING AWARENESS, BRINGING THE
STORY OF SAM TO A LARGER AUDIENCE SO PEOPLE KNOW AND
UNDERSTAND.
BUT I HOPE YOU BOTH REALIZE THE IMPACT, THE POSITIVE IMPACT
THAT YOU MAKE ON THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU.
09:32:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANKS.
AND FIRST OF ALL THANKS TO MY COLLEAGUE MR. VIERA FOR
BRINGING THIS UP.
HE'S BEEN A TIRELESS ADVOCATE FOR THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY
AND I THINK MORE THAN ALL OF US COMBINED ABOUT THAT ISSUE,
SO WE ALWAYS RELY ON HIM AND APPRECIATE HIS HELP WITH THAT.
THANKS TO RENEE FOR TELLING THIS IMPORTANT STORY.

I WILL TELL UP I WILL DO ALL I CAN TO PROMOTE IT SO PLEASE
SEND ME A LINK TO THE EVENT ON THE 31st SO WE CAN MAKE
SURE IT GETS OUT.
AND SAM, IT WAS GREAT MEETING YOU DOWNSTAIRS, WITH YOUR
PERSONALITY, YOU ARE GOING TO GO REALLY FAR, AND DO LOTS OF
GREAT THINGS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH YOU ON ANYTHING YOU NEED
TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:33:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
SAM, WHEN I HEARD THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE HERE TODAY, I
HAD TO GO DOWN AND MEET YOU PERSONALLY, BECAUSE ALL MY
FRIENDS TOLD ME ABOUT YOU.
AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW, SIR, YOU ARE A SUPERSTAR.
IT WAS A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.
AND I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE YOU IN THE FUTURE.
AND I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE "BECAUSE OF SAM."
MY FRIEND, KEEP UP THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING.
YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL FOR EVERYONE.
09:33:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SAM, I DON'T KNOW YOU BUT I KNOW RENEE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS
AND SHE'S A GREAT PERSON.
SO ANY FRIEND OF RENEE'S IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.
WE APPRECIATE THE AWARENESS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO OUR
COMMUNITY, BOTH OF YOU, AND ALL THE HARD WORK, AND WE WILL

TRY AND MAKE IT TO THE NEXT SHOWING, RENEE.
THANK YOU.
09:34:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING YOU
BUT I HAVE SEEN YOU BEFORE AND I WANT TO THANK FIRST OF ALL
COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR DOING THE THING THAT HE DOES BEST, AND
WHAT I SEE IN JUST A LITTLE CLIP OF YOUR MOVIE, AND YOU CAN
DO THINGS THAT I CAN'T DO.
YOU RIDE THAT BIKE MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN.
AND I SAW THAT KARATE AND I LOOKED THE OTHER WAY.
YOU WERE TRAINED.
YOU MAKE YOURSELF WHAT YOU ARE TODAY.
AND YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION TO EVERY AMERICAN HONG IS WILLING
TO TRY SOMETHING, AND YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING, AND YOU HAVE
SUCCEEDED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF A MOVIE MADE OF
ANY COUNCILMEMBER SO ONE STEP AHEAD OF US.
YOU ARE A STAR AND A SYMBOL OF A DREAM THAT IF YOU WANTED TO
MAKE IT HAPPEN, YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOD BLESS YOU.
09:34:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SAM, I HAVEN'T MET YOU BUT I MET FOLKS
LIKE YOU.
YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHED LIGHT ON WHAT
THEY HAVE STRUGGLED WITH AND HOW THEY ARE ABLE TO HELP OTHER
PEOPLE WITH THEIR STRUGGLES.

IT'S GREAT TO HAVE PEOPLE SEE HOW YOU ARE OUT THERE EVERY
DAY, BRINGING JOY, AND PEOPLE ARE WATCHING YOU, GIVING
INSPIRATION, THOSE FOLKS IN THAT GYM, THOSE YOUNG KIDS, AND
THEY SEE YOU LIFT WEIGHTS AND SEE YOUR SMILE AND SAY, I WANT
TO DO THAT, I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT.
SO MR. VIERA, IF YOU WILL GIVE ME THAT LINK SO MY COMMUNITY
AND HISPANIC COMMUNITY CAN BE SEE SAM AND GET THAT
INSPIRATION, WHAT I SAY THE INFECTION OF SUCCESS, OVERJOYED
BY SEEING SOMEBODY AND SAY, HE'S JUST LIKE ME.
HE DID IT, I CAN DO IT.
SO THANK YOU FOR, MR. VIERA.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
09:35:53 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND I THINK RENEE WANTED TO SAY ONE LAST
THING IF WE MAY.
09:35:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ABSOLUTELY.
RENEE.
THE VERSION THAT SHOWED IN THE TAMPA THEATER TWO YEARS AGO
THIS MONTH DID NOT INCLUDE THE FINAL ENHANCED VERSION AND IT
HAS IN IT THE ONE YOU WILL SEE ON JULY 31st.
AKA, WWE SUPERSTAR TITUS O'NEILL, ANOTHER HOMETOWN HERO SO
WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO SHOW THAT VERSION AT THE TAMPA
THEATER.
WE WANT TO SELL IT OUT.
700 SEATS.
IT'S A LOWER CAP DUE TO COVID BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING

THAT LINK TO YOU AND TICKETS GO ON SALE NEXT WEEK.
09:36:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU, MR. VIERA.
WE WILL WAIT TILL MR. VIERA GETS BACK TO HIS SEAT.
WE DID MOVE TO DEAL WITH THE RESOLUTION POINT WHEN HE GETS
BACK.
AND HAVE MR. CARLSON MAKE A MOTION REFERENCE TO THE WORKSHOP
FOR OUR CUBAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
09:36:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS ARRIVED, SO PERHAPS WE CAN ADDRESS
THE ISSUE GOING TO ITEMS 100 THROUGH 111 TO SEE WHICH STAFF
NEEDS TO BE PRESENT FOR THOSE RESOLUTIONS FOR STAFF REPORTS.
09:37:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CLERK, MAKE SURE TO NOTE MR.
DINGFELDER IS HERE FOR THE RECORD.
MR. DINGFELDER, I HELD UP THOSE ITEMS, SO I ASKED MR. BAIRD
TO STICK AROUND, IF WE CAN RELEASE ANYONE, NOW IS THE TIME,
SIR.
09:37:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I TOOK A LOOK AT THESE AS I ALWAYS DO A
FEW DAYS AGO.
HAS THERE BEEN A MOTION TO RELEASE ANY OF THEM ALREADY?
09:38:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE'S NO MOTION TO RELEASE ANYBODY.
I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE CONTINUANCES OR SOMEONE HERE TO DO
PRESENTATIONS BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS.
09:38:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND I'M OKAY WITH 102, 103, 104, 105,

WHICH ARE ALL BIG TICKET ITEMS.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO STAFF AND READ THE MEMORANDUM.
BUT WHAT I DID WANT TO SAY IS, IN RESPONSE TO THOSE,
ESPECIALLY 104 TO MR. BAIRD, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING A REALLY
GOOD JOB ON THE EBO WITH SOME OF THESE LARGER TICKET ITEMS.
AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS, AND WE DON'T WANT THEM TO
ALWAYS THINK WE ARE FUSSING AT THEM ALL THE TIME, AND WHEN
THEY DO A GOOD JOB WE WANT TO GIVE THAT SHOUTOUT.
SO WITH THAT, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH RELEASING 102, 3, 4 AND
5.
UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAD OTHER QUESTIONS.
09:39:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TOO LOOKED AT THEM.
I DID NOT WANT TO RELEASE THEM KNOWING SOMETIMES YOU HAVE
QUESTIONS ON INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS.
BIG TICKET ITEMS.
09:39:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I APPRECIATE IT ISSUES WITH THAT BEING
SAID, I GUESS WE CAN RELEASE MR. BAIRD ON THIS AFTERNOON'S
1:30.
AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
I DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM KATHY CASTOR, OUR CONGRESSWOMAN.
I THINK MY AIDE SONYA IS DOWN AT THE PODIUM.
SO BEFORE YOU START, I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ASK HER,
BECAUSE SHE IS OUR CONGRESSWOMAN AND SHE COULD NOT BE HERE,
SHE DID SEND ME A MEMORANDUM, AND I WILL HAVE SONYA ANDERSON
READ THAT MEMORANDUM.

09:39:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
09:39:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M SORRY, THE WALK-ON RESOLUTION.
YOU MAY PROCEED, MS. ANDERSON.
09:40:03 >> SONYA ANDERSON:
GOOD MORNING.
DEAR CHAIRMAN GUDES, I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT COUNCILMAN
VIERA'S RESOLUTION EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE PEOPLE OF CUBA
AND THE PROTESTS THAT CONTINUE ON THE ISLAND.
AS A LONG-TIME ADVOCATE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, I JOIN YOU IN
STANDING WITH THE CUBAN PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPRESSING THEIR
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF FREE ASSEMBLY AND EXPRESSION.
THE CUBAN PEOPLE DESERVE FREEDOM AND HUMAN DIGNITY.
GENERATIONS OF CUBANS HELPED BUILD TAMPA INTO A HOME WE KNOW
AND LOVE.
AS COUNCILMAN VIERA'S RESOLUTION RIGHTFULLY NOTES, TAMPA HAS
UNIQUE HISTORICAL FAMILIAL AND CULTURAL TIES TO CUBA AND
VALUES OUR BEST ASPIRATIONAL AMERICAN VALUES OF LIBERTY,
TOLERANCE, AND FREEDOM.
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA THE
PROTESTORS OF CUBA AND SUPPORT THEIR CALLS FOR FREEDOM AND
DICTATOR SHOW, DISEASE AND POVERTY.
WE MUST CONTINUE TO BACK THE CUBAN PEOPLE, NO MATTER HOW
LONG THEIR FIGHT FOR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM, THEY MUST PREVAIL.
AS JOSE MARTI SAYS, LIKE STONES ROLLING DOWN HILLS, IDEAS
REACH THEIR SECTOR DESPITE ALL OBSTACLES AND BARRIERS.
IT MUST BE POSSIBLE TO -- BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP THEM.

SINCERELY, KATHY CASTOR, U.S. REPRESENTATIVE, FLORIDA,
DISTRICT 14.
THANK YOU, MS. ANDERSON.
BEFORE YOU SPEAK, MR. SHELBY, I KNOW WE HAVE A RESOLUTION ON
THE FLOOR AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE TO SPEAK.
09:41:42 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS LOOKING AT DOING IT AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
YES, SIR.
IF I MAY.
09:41:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:41:58 >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
IT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE.
I'M A CUBAN AMERICAN.
AND I WANT TO THANK THE POLICE IN TAMPA FIRST BECAUSE THEY
HELP US, AND WE SUPPORT THE POLICE.
FOR THE CUBAN COMMUNITY, IT'S BEEN VERY EMOTIONAL BUT ALSO
HARD WATCHING.
I LEFT CUBA WHEN I WAS 25.
MY FATHER IS STILL IN CUBA.
I HAVE COUSINS.
I HAVE FRIENDS.
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CUBA RIGHT NOW IS HORRIFYING.
THE CUBAN PEOPLE ARE BEING -- BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

THIS WHAT I AM DOING RIGHT NOW HERE SPEAKING TO YOU GUYS
WILL COST ME MY LIFE IN CUBA.
WE NEED THE SUPPORT OF ALL THE COMMUNITIES ON THE FREE
WORLD.
I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING.
THERE IS A MAN HERE, HIS NAME IS ALBERT FOX.
HE HAS BEEN WORKING FOR THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT -- FOR US.
HE IS NOT CUBAN.
HE IS NOT OUR VOICE.
OUR VOICE HAS BEEN CLEAR.
WE NEED FREEDOM.
OUR PEOPLE'S SUFFERING HAS BEEN TOO MUCH, FOR 62 YEARS THE
CUBAN COMMUNITY HAVING EVER BEEN AVAILABLE TO CHOOSE THEIR
GOVERNMENTS.
FOR SAYING IF YOU ARE NOT COMMUNIST, GO TO THE STREET AND
KILL OTHERS.
LAST NIGHT, MY PEOPLE IN THE STREET OF CUBA ARE STILL
FIGHTING FOR THEIR FREEDOM.
SO PLEASE HELP US.
I WANT TO THANK ALSO KATHY CASTOR BECAUSE SHE HEARS OUR
VOICE.
I AM FINALLY HERE SPEAKING OUT.
IT IS INCREDIBLE.
THERE'S STILL PEOPLE CALLING THE REGIME GOVERNMENT.
PEOPLE OF CUBA HAVE NEVER VOTE FOR IT.

PEOPLE OF CUBA ARE SUFFERING, NOT BECAUSE OF EMBARGO.
PEOPLE OF CUBA ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT.
WHEN THE CUBAN PERSON LEFT THE ISLAND, EVERYWHERE WE GO, WE
WOULD PROSPER.
WHERE WE CANNOT PROSPER IN CUBA.
WHY CAN MEN NOT PREACH?
[BELL SOUNDS]
09:44:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN BEGIN.
09:45:15 >> MY NAME IS TREY WEINGART, ATTORNEY WITHIN HILL, WARD,
HENDERSON HERE ON BEHALF OF BARBARA AND GORDON BABBITT
REGARDING AGENDA ITEM 101.
THIS DEALS WITH THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT APPLICATION FOR AN
AREA NEXT TO 505 SOUTH ROYAL PALM WAY.
I WAS HERE LAST MONTH AND WE DISCUSSED THIS AREA BRIEFLY
BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO REMIND
YOU.
THIS EASEMENT WAS PART OF WHAT'S NOW ONE WITH BLOCK BUT WAS
ORIGINALLY PLAT AT SEVERAL BLOCKS.
THEY INCLUDED WHAT WAS CALLED LOT E, WHICH WAS A SMALL LOT
KIND OF BEHIND THE MAIN BUILDABLE PROPERTIES, AND THERE WAS
AN ALLEYWAY THAT SURROUNDED THAT LOT E.
THESE HAVE ALL BEEN COMBINED, DESPITE THE FACT THAT 100
YEARS AGO THIS BEACH PARK AREA WAS PLATTED, THEY HAVE NOW
BEEN COMBINED INTO ONE LOT THAT INCLUDES THIS LOT.

HOWEVER, THE ALLEYWAY THAT EXISTS IN THAT AREA HAS NEVER
BEEN RELEASED.
NOW, THE REASON THAT ROE, RELEASE OF EASEMENT APPLICATION
BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY, IS BECAUSE THE EASEMENT
HAS GONE BACK FOR 100 YEARS AND KIND OF PROTECTED THE
OVERALL PLAN OF THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE HOMES
FROM BEING OVERBUILT.
AND FROM THAT TIME UNTIL TODAY, THIS EASEMENT HAS EXISTED AS
A BUFFER BETWEEN THE HOMES.
INCLUDING THE BABBITT'S HOME.
NOW, THE LOT THAT'S BEEN CREATED AS A RESULT OF THIS
REZONING PROCESS AND NOW THE EASEMENT APPLICATION IS A LOT
THAT'S NONCONFORMING UNDER CITY CODE, BECAUSE INTERIOR LOT
OF LESS THAN 30 FEET.
THERE'S BEEN LITIGATION FILED OVER THAT AND THAT ISSUE IS
SEPARATE FROM THIS.
BUT THE EASEMENT ITSELF IS ALL THAT REMAINS TO PROTECT THE
100-YEAR-OLD HISTORY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND STOP WHAT
WOULD BE LOT LINE TO LOT LINE BUILDING IN THIS AREA.
IN FACT, IF THIS EASEMENT IS RELEASED AND IF BUILDING HAS
ALREADY COMMENCED.
WHAT THE RESULT WILL BE IS THAT THE 30-FOOT HIGH STRUCTURE
WILL BE ONLY 7 FEET FROM MY SIDE OF THE BABBITT'S BACKYARD
AND THAT WILL RESULT AGAIN IN THREE STRUCTURES, OR
STRUCTURES ON THREE DIFFERENT SITES ONLY SEVEN FEET AWAY.

IT'S A TOTAL CHANGE, AND I WOULD SUBMIT NOT FOR THE BETTER
CHANGE TO THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS REALLY ONE OF
THE MOST HISTORIC AND BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR CITY.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE ASKING THAT TODAY, IF CITY
COUNCIL IS GOING TO VOTE ON THIS ISSUE, THAT THEY DENY THE
RELEASE OF EASEMENT.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
09:47:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:47:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I SEE YOU RAN INTO THE ROOM SO I GATHER YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON
THE ITEM AT 1:30, SIR?
I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON IT AT 1:00 OR 1:30.
09:48:12 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
09:48:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL SEE YOU AT 1:30.
CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:48:21 >> OBVIOUSLY, WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY I AM NOT GOING TO SAY
BECAUSE I NEED TO COMMENT ON WHAT THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN
SAID.
I NEVER MET THAT MAN IN MY LIFE, NEVER SEEN HIM IN MY LIFE,
BUT HE SHOULD KNOW AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT I HAVE NEVER
BEEN PAID A PENNY BY THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT, NOR HAVE I EVER
BEEN PAID A PENNY BY ANY CORPORATION IN ANY WORK THAT I HAVE
DONE, THE 20 YEARS.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE CONSUL, WITH ALL DUE

RESPECT, I PLEAD WITH YOU TO POSTPONE THIS VOTE ON THIS
RESOLUTION THAT'S COMING UP TODAY, BECAUSE IT IS NEVER A
GOOD IDEA TO LEGISLATE IN THE MOMENT OF PASSION.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
YOU OUGHT TO HAVE ABSOLUTE CLARITY THAT I AM NOT QUESTIONING
ANY MEMBERS' MOTIVES OR INTEGRITY.
I AM QUESTIONING THE JUDGMENT THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
DEMONSTRATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE IN CUBA WAS NOT GENERATED BY
CHANGE IN THE GOVERNMENT.
THEY WERE GENERATED BECAUSE OF PEOPLE OF CUBA ARE SUFFERING.
THERE'S NO FOOD.
THEY HAVE NO SYRINGES TO GIVE THEMSELVES VACCINE.
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, THE GREATEST GOVERNMENT ON THE
PLANET, STOPPED THE SHIP OF MEDICAL SUPPLIES TO CUBA, AND
THE STRATEGY IS TO MAKE THE CUBAN PEOPLE SUFFER, THEY WILL
TAKE TO THE STREETS AND OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN
62 YEARS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE BEST WAY TO HELP PEOPLE OF CUBA IS REMOVE THE UNITED
STATES BLOCKADE, AND I WANT TO JUST READ YOU AN E-MAIL THAT
I GOT.
IT SAYS, THIS IS FROM A FRIEND OF MINE I HAVE KNOWN FOR 20
YEARS, 11:30 A.M., JULY 12th.
HE SAYS, IT'S AN UNUSUAL DISTURBANCE BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE UPSET AND DIFFERENT CENTS UNDER, AND THE RESULTS

THAT YOU SEE ARE THE VIEWS RIGHT NOW UNDER CONTROL.
PLEASE SOMEHOW END IN BIG BOLD LETTERS END THE BLOCKADE AND
THAT WILL MAKE 90% OF THINGS EASIER FOR US BUT YOU KNOW THE
STORY WELL.
HUGS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
SO I PLEAD FOR YOU TO POSTPONE THIS.
WHEN CALMER HEAD WILL PREVAIL.
THIS IS DONE IN PASSION, AND PEOPLE WERE TAKING TO THE
STREETS, THERE'S VIOLENCE TAKING PLACE, AND THERE'S JUST NOT
GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
09:50:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. FOX.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:51:03 >> HELLO.
HOW ARE YOU DOING?
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.
MISSED YOU ALL.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT PERHAPS YOU KNOW WHAT, PERHAPS YOU
DON'T.
09:51:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
09:51:50 >> I'M HARD OF HEARING.
MY NAME IS JOHN MOLL-M-O-L-L, 4104 NORTH VIN AVENUE, TAMPA,
FLORIDA.
AND I HAVE A PICTURE HERE OF MY HOUSE THAT I RESIDE IN,
BUILT IN 1908.
PICTURE IS 1920.

AND THAT'S THE WAY IT LOOKED THEN.
THIS IS MY GRANDFATHER AND GRANDMOTHER AND THE FAMILY THAT
THEY HAD AND RAISED IN THIS HOUSE.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE HOW IT LOOKS TODAY, YOU CAN GOOGLE HOME
OF JOHN MOLL AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT DID BACK
IN 1920.
WHAT I AM CONCERNED WITH NOW, I AM TRYING TO GET A
MITIGATION CREDIT.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT FOR SEVEN YEARS.
AND I AM HITTING A STONE WALL.
SO WHERE I GO NOW DEPENDS ON I GUESS WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN
NOW AND NEXT WEEK.
THE CITY IS CHARGING HOMESTEADERS FOR HAVING A ROOF OVER
THEIR BED.
THIS YOU CAN SEE, ONE THAT IS IMPERMEABLE, AND LEAKED AND I
WAS SLEEPING, SO THE CITY SENT A SKY WAGON OVER AND SAID YOU
HAVE YOU OWE A CERTAIN KIND OF MONEY.
AND THEY JUSTIFIED IT BY CITING COMMERCIAL CODE, WHICH I
CANNOT MEET, WHICH WAS THAT I HAD TO STORE A 100 YEAR FLOOD
TO BE ABLE TO DRAW IT DOWN TO -- I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE THEY
ARE IMPOSING THIS ON.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST GIVE A CALL AND THEY GET PART
OF THE SAME MITIGATION THAT I HAVE BEEN SEVEN YEARS AND
NOTHING AT ALL.
THEY SAY YOU HAVE A ROOF THIS SIZE, YOU PAY THIS MUCH.

AND WHAT THAT AMOUNT CAN BE IS WHATEVER SOMEBODY SAYS.
I GUESS IT COULD BE MY CHARGE NOW, IT USED TO BE $19 WHEN
THEY STARTED IT.
IT'S NOW OVER 260.
WHO KNOWS WHAT IT WILL BE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, PROBABLY A
THOUSAND.
[BELL SOUNDS]
I GUESS THERE'S A TIMER GOING OFF SOMEWHERE.
I DON'T SEE IT. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I AM JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, CAN THE CITY APPLY COMMERCIAL
CODE TO HOMESTEADERS TO DENY A MITIGATION CREDIT?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:54:25 >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS CEDRIC POWELL.
I AM HERE REGARDING THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION APPLICATION ON
1908-36th STREET.
09:55:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, SIR, TO
INTERRUPT.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 3.
IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
MS. PETTIS-MACKLE IS HERE.
MAYBE SHE CAN ENLIGHTEN COUNCIL.
09:55:26 >> PETTIS-MACKLE:
[OFF MICROPHONE] CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THIS ITEM IS NUMBER 3, A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE TIERRA

DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND I ASKED FOR
THIS ITEM TO BE HEARD AT THE TIME THAT IT'S SCHEDULED, AFTER
9 A.M.
09:55:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
YOUR ITEM IS COMING UP AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AND THAT WOULD
BE THE TIME TO SPEAK.
I WANT TO LINK WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS ITEM.
JUST HOLD ON.
WE WILL GET BACK WITH YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:56:14 >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
HEY, IF YOU ARE REVOLUTIONARY YOU CALL IT REACTIONARY AND
THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE HEARING TODAY.
AND YOU SAY REACTIONARY, YOU SEE DISPARITIES, AND THEY ARE
UNAPOLOGETIC ABOUT IT, AND THEY ARE REALLY DISINGENUOUS
ABOUT IT.
AND IN THIS CUBAN SITUATION THEY HAVE GONE, THEY MAKING BIG
CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
IT AIN'T NOTHING.
THE REAL PROBLEM IN CUBA IS THE 67 YEAR BLOCKADE.
THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM IN CUBA.
CAN YOU HOLD MY TIME, PLEASE?
09:57:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.
YOU MAY CONTINUE, SIR.
09:57:31 >> CAN YOU -- YES.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS REACTION.
YOU SEE REACTION.
YOU JUST SEE HOW DISINGENUOUS PEOPLE ARE.
YOU SEE THE FACT OF THE OF THE MATTER IS WHEN PEOPLE STOOD
UP FOR AFRICAN LIVES, BLACK LIVES, OH, YOU CAN'T MARCH IN
THE STREET, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO RUN OVER THEM BY CAR, YOU
CAN'T SPIN THE BLOCK AND GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, YOU HAVE
THE RIGHT TO RUN OVER THEM.
AND NOW YOU SEE A GARBAGE GOVERNOR TALKING ABOUT, WELL, SEE,
THAT'S DIFFERENT.
YEAH, GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS A 67 YEAR BLOCKADE IF YOU WANT
TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT
THAT.
YOU UNDERSTAND?
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WON'T UNDERSTAND TO BE A BANANA REPUBLIC,
THEN YOU WANT TO TREAT THEM A CERTAIN WAY.
AND THEY HAVE WE HAVE OUR REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT HERE ORLANDO
GUDES THAT REPRESENTS DISTRICT 5.
THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN CUBA.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN DISTRICT 35.
LET'S TALK ABOUT 600 THAT YOU BICYCLE STOPS FOR AFRICAN
PEOPLE AND NOBODY STANDING UP FOR THAT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE RIGHT HERE
IN AMERICA AND NOBODY IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

YOU UNDERSTAND?
FOOLISHNESS.
STRAIGHT FOOLISHNESS.
A BILLION DOLLAR CITY BUDGET.
A BILLION DOLLAR CITY BUDGET.
AND WE ARE 26% OF THIS POPULATION AND NOBODY SAYING ANYTHING
ABOUT THAT.
ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT THAT.
IGNORANCE.
STRAIGHT IGNORANCE.
AND THEY USE THE CON GAME.
THEY RUN A CON GAME ON YOU TO MAKE YOU THINK WE SHOULD
ACCEPT THIS AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
WELL, AS A PERCENTAGE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE HOP AND A PERCENTAGE
OF REAL PEOPLE, TO KNOW THE PROBLEM IN CUBA ISN'T THE
PROBLEM WITH CASTRO, IT ISN'T A PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISM, IT
ISN'T A PROBLEM WITH COMMUNISM, IT'S A PROBLEM WITH AMERICAN
AND WHITE IMPERIALISM.
IT'S CALLED MANIFEST DESTINY WHERE WHITE FOLKS THINK THEY
CAN RUN ANYTHING AND RUN IT THE WAY THEY WANT.
IT'S GREED AND CAPITALISM.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
YOU NEED TO WAKE UP AND THE REAL PROBLEM.
AND OUR REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, LET'S
NOT GO TO CUBA, LET'S GO RIGHT HERE IN OUR DISTRICT.

OUR REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT HERE IN OUR DISTRICT NEED TO STAND
UP FOR US AND STOP RUNNING THESE GAMES AND SEE HOW OTHER
PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE AND INSULTING AFRICAN PEOPLE, OH,
POVERTY, MENTALITY, I'M NOT AFRICAN, OH, THEY ARE NOT
TAXPAYERS, WE NEED TO STAND UP FOR REALITY, AND STAND UP FOR
AFRICAN PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
IF YOU WANT TO STAND UP FOR CUBAN PEOPLE, END THE BLOCKADE.
WHY IN THE HELL DO THEY HAVE A BLOCKADE ON A COUNTRY THAT
CAN'T EVEN GET IN MEDICAL SUPPLIES?
THAT'S THE REALITY.
THAT'S REAL.
[BELL SOUNDS]
10:00:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
10:00:12 >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
I'M ALWAYS TOUCHED WHEN I HEAR THE PRAYER THAT'S OFFERED TO
THE COUNCIL PRIOR TO YOU BEGINNING TO DO THE PEOPLE'S WORK.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE AGENDA, I AM ALWAYS SEARCHING IN
TERMS MUCH WHAT IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY
WHICH I REPRESENT.
I TRULY BELIEVE ALL PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HUMAN DIGNITY.
ALL PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HOUSES.
ALL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE IN PEACE.
BUT HOW CAN WE DO THAT BEYOND JUST PROCLAMATIONS?

HOW DO WE GET OUR POLITICAL LEADERSHIP FROM THE FEDERAL
LEVEL AND STATE LEVEL AND LOCAL LEVEL TO SEE WHAT THE REAL
NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.
HOW CAN WE BECOME SO FIXATED WITH JUMPING FROM ISSUE TO
ISSUE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GENTRIFICATION INSIDE OF THIS
CITY, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO STOP THAT.
WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ENDING OPPRESSION, WE HAVEN'T
BEEN ABLE TO STOP IT HERE, INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I AM
OFTEN HEARING FROM THIS POLITICAL BODY IS WHY WE CAN'T DO
IT.
WELL, I BELIEVE YOU COULD DO IT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.
IF YOU HAVE POLITICAL WILL AND IF YOU HAVE POLITICAL WANT,
YOU CAN TRANSFORM EAST TAMPA TO BECOME THE MODEL.
PEOPLE SAY THAT AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY OF THE
WORLD.
AND I HAVE LIVED A LOT OF PLACES.
I AM TELLING YOU WHAT I SEE IN EAST TAMPA IS PEOPLE BEING
DEMORALIZED BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AGENDA ITEM OF 111
PAGES RESOLUTIONS AND SAY THAT MONEY IS MOVING ALL THROUGH
THIS CITY WITH A $1.3 BILLION BUDGET, AND ALL I SEE IN OUR
COMMUNITY MORE CRIME, MORE HOPE -- MORE HOPELESSNESS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO BE A MODEL FOR OTHER
COUNTRIES TO SEE, START AT HOME.
LET US MOVE TOWARDS MAKING EAST TAMPA BETTER, SO WE HAVE TO
WORK WITH A REVOLUTION.

10:02:57 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PLANS FOR 5023 TO HAVE A LIQUOR
LICENSE AND REZONING DONE.
10:03:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY.
10:03:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE THAT IS SET FOR A PUBLIC
HEARING.
I DON'T RECALL WHICH ITEM THAT IS.
IS IT ON FOR SECOND READING?
10:04:01 >> HE JUST ASKED ME TO COME UP HERE.
10:04:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ITEM NUMBER 96 IS A SECOND READING.
THAT WILL BE TAKEN UP WHEN THE ITEM IS CALLED UP
SPECIFICALLY.
YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, SIR.
10:04:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE'LL TAKE IT
AT THAT TIME WHEN THAT COMES UP.
10:04:18 >> THANK YOU.
10:04:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:04:21 >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL FITROW, A SENIOR AT SPEARING COLLEGE IN
THE PUBLIC POLICY ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM WITH PROFESSOR
CONCHNOBLE.
I AM ACTUALLY HERE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
2021-8-CHAPTER 127 FOR THE CIGAR FACTORY TO BECOME --
10:05:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 3, ONCE WE
FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT YOU WILL BE A SPEAKER AT THAT

PARTICULAR TIME.
10:05:19 >> THANK YOU.
10:05:21 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMAN.
MY NAME IS ANDRE HILL.
I'M ORIGINALLY BLACK NATIVE AMERICAN OF TAMPA.
THE REASON I AM HERE TODAY IS A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, YOU THE
CITY COUNCIL, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING
FORWARD WITH INDIVIDUALS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, DEVELOPING
AND STABILIZING THEMSELVES.
BUT I AM ANTICIPATING A BOTTLENECK.
AND THE REASON I AM HERE TODAY, ONE OF THE THINGS AS A
NATIVE TAMPANIAN, WHEN I LIVED AWAY PARTICULARLY IN
WASHINGTON, D.C., I LEARNED TWO VALUABLE THINGS.
AND I WORKED IN A LAW FIRM.
THERE ARE TEMPLATES TO FILE PETITIONS OR ORGANIZATIONAL
STRUCTURE.
AND THESE TEMPLATES ARE VERY COMMON.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ANTICIPATE IS THAT IN GETTING
PACKAGES APPROVED, THE ISSUE IS ALWAYS, IT HAS TO CLEAR
LEGAL.
AND SO MY CONCERN IS THERE ARE TEMPLATES AND THERE ARE
PRECEDENTS SET ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY WORKING WITH CAC, THE CRA, CAN GET THINGS DONE
EXPEDITIOUSLY.
I THINK THAT THERE IS A BOTTLENECK HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA

GETTING THINGS APPROVED EXPEDITIOUSLY, AND I THINK THAT THE
CRA AND CITY COUNCIL NEED TO ENCOURAGE THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT SPECIAL PROVISIONS, PARTICULARLY
FOR BLACK AMERICANS.
NOW, I HAVE SEEN -- WE HAVE REQUESTED SMALL PROJECTS LIKE
$50,000.
AND I HAVE SEEN ENTIRE BUILDING COMPLEXES GO UP BY OUTSIDE
DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING IN AND GETTING THINGS DONE.
SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SPECIAL ATTENTION PAID OR
PROVISIONS MADE FOR THESE SMALL BLACK AMERICANS THAT ARE
TYPICALLY FIRST GENERATION ENTREPRENEURS, THAT TYPICALLY
DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN BE BANKING SYSTEMS, TO EXPEDITE THINGS
THROUGH THE BUREAUCRACY OF THE CITY.
SO I AM ENCOURAGING THE CITY OF TAMPA, CITY COUNCIL, TO LOOK
INTO THE BOTTLENECK OF GETTING THINGS DONE THROUGH LEGAL.
THERE ARE TEMPLATES.
THERE ARE PRECEDENTS.
AND WHEN I WAS A CONTRACTOR IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THERE WAS A
PROBLEM GETTING CONTRACTORS BECAUSE THERE WAS A BOTTLENECK
IN THE PAYMENT PROCESS.
WELL, I DID GOOD BECAUSE WE HELPED THEM GET ESTABLISHED A
PROGRAM TO EXPEDITE THE PAYMENT, AND I GOT A LOT OF --
COMPLETED A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
IT JUST TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO SAY, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
YOU KNOW, I WORKED IN A LAW FIRM.

DO WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO COME IN TO DO THE RESEARCH, SET A
PRECEDENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET IN OTHER CITIES, YOU
KNOW.
SO I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE WHILE THESE LEGAL --
10:09:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
10:09:12 >> THANK YOU.
10:09:13 >> GOOD MORNING.
IF YOU CAN HOLD THE TIMER FOR I A SECOND WHILE I GET THESE
PHOTOS ON THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS MARTHA BODDEN.
I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MANATEE DEATHS THAT HAVE BEEN
REPORTED IN FLORIDA.
MORE MANATEES HAVE DIED ALREADY THIS YEAR THAN IN ANY OTHER
YEAR IN FLORIDA'S RECORDED HISTORY.
PRIMARILY FROM STARVATION DUE TO THE LOSS OF SEAGRASS BEDS.
THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION
REPORTED THAT 841 MANATEE DEATHS WERE RECORDED BETWEEN
JANUARY 1st AND JULY 2nd BREAKING THE PREVIOUS
RECORD OF 830 THAT DIED IN 2013 BECAUSE OF RED TIDE.
BIOLOGISTS BELIEVE THAT WATER POLLUTION IS KILLING THE
SEAGRASS BEDS CAUSING THESE DEATHS.
MOST DEATHS OCCURRED DURING THE COLDER MONTHS WHEN MANATEES
MIGRATED THROUGH THE INDIAN LAGOON WHEN THE SEAGRASS DIED

OFF, AND IT IS NOW CLASSIFIED AS THREATENED.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTAL DOES APPROXIMATELY 6300 MANATEES
LIVE IN FLORIDA WATERS WHICH HAS INCREASED.
MORE THAN 750 MANATEES HAVE DIED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE
YEAR.
THE MOST DEATHS EVER RECORDED IN A 5-MONTH PERIOD.
THE PROBLEMS STARTED IN 2011 WHEN AN ALGAE SUPER BLOOM
COVERED MORE THAN 130,000 ACRES OF WATER BLOCKING THE
SUNLIGHT AND CAUSING A MASSIVE DIEOFF OF SEAGRASS.
WHEN THE ALGAE BLOOMS ARE REALLY BAD, YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR
HAND BELOW THE SURFACE.
THE ALGAE BLOOMS STARTED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
OVER TEN YEARS PERIOD, THIS HAS DECREASED OF ABOUT 46,000
ACRES, SEAGRASS HAS DECREASED.
THE HIGH NUMBER OF MANATEE DEATHS THIS YEAR LED THE U.S.
FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE TO DESIGNATE AN USUAL MORTALITY
EVENT AND OPEN AN INVESTIGATION.
THERE ARE SOME FACILITIES IN FLORIDA THAT HAVE BEEN
REHABILITATED, THESE MANATEES.
THERE IS MORE TO READ IN THESE ARTICLES, BUT WHAT I WANT TO
GET TO IS FOR TAMPA, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE TWO RIGHT THERE AND
THERE, WE HAVE TWO MANATEE VIEWING AREAS RIGHT AROUND THE
GULF.
SO WE PLAY A PART IN THIS ROLE.
ALL OF FLORIDA NEEDS TO ACT BUT ALSO WE CAN ACT AS TAMPA.

I RECOMMEND THAT WHAT WE DO IS HELP WITH PLANTING SEAGRASS
AND REHABILITATING MANATEES, AND IF WE CAN'T PLANT SEAGRASS,
THEN TO HAVE TEAMS GO OUT AND GIVE THEM SEAGRASS FOOD.
THANK YOU.
10:13:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:13:05 >> NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
10:13:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
HOW MANY DO WE HAVE, SEVEN?
10:13:36 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
10:13:47 >> MY NAME IS TOM CONNOLLY, THE VIRGINIA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, AND I AM SPEAKING CONCERNING AGENDA
ITEM 111 CONCERNING USE OF COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY
FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
I AM ASKING THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PASS A RESOLUTION TO
END ITS RULES OF PROCEDURE WHICH WERE LAST MODIFIED ON
NOVEMBER 21st, 2013.
THE GENIE IS OUT OF THE BOTTLE AND IT'S NOT REASONABLE.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION HAS GROWN WITH CMT AND VOICES TO BE
HEARD BY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
IN FACT IN YOUR RESOLUTION 202490 WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL IS
NOT PRESENTED TO CONTINUALLY UTILIZE CMT FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS
AFTER EXPIRATION OF 2069, PROVIDED THAT MOST MEMBERS PRESENT
IN PHYSICAL LOCATION AND OTHERWISE SUPPLIED WITH CHAPTER --
OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, YOU HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT
[INDISCERNIBLE] USE THE TECHNOLOGY, FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND

PARTICIPATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:15:00 >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE GORDON BABBITT.
IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
GORDON BABBITT, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:15:24 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:15:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:15:33 >> OKAY.
FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I HAVE A CUP OF POINTS AND A QUESTION.
MY WIFE BARBARA BABBITT AND I HAVE LIVED AT OUR HOUSE AT
4604 WEST BEACH PARK DRIVE SINCE 1998.
WE ARE AGAINST RELEASING THE EASEMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW
CONSTRUCTION OF A 30-PLUS FOOT TALL STRUCTURE WITHIN 7 FEET
OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
10:15:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE] MR. SHELBY.
10:16:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
IT'S BEEN CONTINUED.
IT APPEARS UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS AND I BELIEVE THAT ITEM
WILL BE ADDRESSED WHEN IT COMES UP.
BUT IT IS NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
10:16:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU MAY CONTINUE, MR. BABBITT.
I'M SORRY.

WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR.
10:16:23 >> OKAY.
LET ME START IN THE MIDDLE HERE.
MY WIFE BARBARA BABBITT AND I HAVE LIVED AT OUR HOUSE AT
4604 WEST BEACH PARK DRIVE SINCE 1998.
WE ARE AGAINST RELEASING THE EASEMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW
CONSTRUCTION OF A 30-FOOT-PLUS STRUCTURE WITHIN SEVEN FEET
OF OUR PROPERTY LINE.
WE ALREADY HAVE A HOUSE ON BOTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY WITHIN
SEVEN FEET.
ALLOWING CONSTRUCTION IN THE EASEMENT WILL CREATE A CANYON
AROUND OUR HOUSE AND SEVERAL MONTHS OF THE YEAR NO SUNLIGHT
WILL ENTER OUR OWN BACKYARD.
WE BELIEVE THIS WILL RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN
THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY.
MILANO HOMES IS ALREADY BUILDING IN THE EASEMENT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS MILANO BUILDING IN THE EASEMENT
BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ANY CONSIDERATION YOU GIVE TO
OUR ISSUE.
10:17:21 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE CAROLYN
BENNETT.
IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:17:30 >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

I AM THE NEW VICE PRESIDENT OF T.H.A.N.
THE ELECTIONS WERE HELD LAST NIGHT.
AND I CONGRATULATE STEPHANIE POYNOR AND SANDY SANCHEZ AND
STEVE MEADOWS.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM.
THEY ARE AN INCREDIBLE BUNCH OF NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATES.
AND THEY SACRIFICE A LOT OF TIME IN THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES
TO HELP TO MAKE TAMPA A BETTER PLACE.
AND I AM VERY PROUD TO BE WORKING WITH THEM.
THE JOB OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT CHANGED IN DECADES.
DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS CHANGED
DRAMATICALLY.
WE HAVE SO MANY MORE PEOPLE.
WE HAVE SO MANY MORE THINGS COMING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I THINK COUNCILMAN GUDES IS RIGHT IN SAYING THAT WE NEED
TO CUT THINGS OFF AT 11:00.
I LOVE THAT IDEA BECAUSE IT'S JUST UNREASONABLE TO ASK
PEOPLE TO SIT UNTIL MIDNIGHT SO THAT THEY CAN BE HEARD ON
IMPORTANT ISSUES.
THE PROBLEM IS, THE CITY HAS GROWN, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS
NOT.
YOU GUYS SHOULD BE FULL TIME, OR THREE QUARTERS TIME, OR
WHATEVER TIME IT NEEDS TO TAKE TO HAVE MORE MEETINGS.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
BUT CUTTING OFF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

THE CMT IS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE WHO OTHERWISE
CANNOT PARTICIPATE, AND THE CITY IS BETTER FOR THEIR
PARTICIPATION.
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT COME INTO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS,
IT'S AN UNSURMOUNTABLE OBSTACLE ALL OF THE TIME.
THEY WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE INSURMOUNTABLE OBSTACLE SOME OF
THE TIME.
HOWEVER, CMT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE AND IT'S A BENEFIT
TO THE CITY AND TO EVERYBODY IN TAMPA, SO I AM ENCOURAGING
YOU TO CONTINUE THAT ALONG WITH THE IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
I LOVE SEEING YOU GUYS IN PERSON, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES
IT'S JUST TOO HARD TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THE CMT ALONG WITH THE IN-PERSON.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET MORE
MEETINGS, THAT'S THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, NOT LOSING
PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.
THE OTHER COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE ON ITEM NUMBER 110, I
UNDERSTAND CITY STAFF NEEDS MORE TIME ON THAT.
THEY ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE TO A TIME WHEN I AM GOING TO BE
OUT OF STATE FOR A WEDDING AND IS ONE OF THE CO-AUTHORS OF
THAT AMENDMENT.
I THINK I PROBABLY SHOULD BE THERE.
SO I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE TO
SEPTEMBER AND THAT'S FINE.

THANKS, GUYS.
10:20:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:20:21 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER WAS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
HOWEVER, STEPHANIE DID NOT PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE SO WE ARE
GOING TO JEAN STROHMEYER.
JEAN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU
HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:20:35 >> HELLO EVERYBODY.
MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER.
SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD.
CONGRATULATIONS TO STEPHANIE AND CARROLL ANN AND STEVE AND
SANCHEZ AND T.H.A.N.
I AM CALLING TO ASK YOU ALL TO CONTINUE WITH 111 AND
CONTINUE THE CMT PROGRAM.
I RUN A BUSINESS THAT REQUIRES ME TO BE AT MY COMPUTER.
HOWEVER, I CAN LISTEN AND PARTICIPATE.
AND MY NEIGHBOR IN OUR INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION COMES TO ME AND LET'S ME KNOW ABOUT THE MEETINGS
AND LET ME KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY ASK THAT I
PARTICIPATE ON THEIR BEHALF.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO DEFINITELY KEEP THIS GOING.
YOU KNOW, WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS IN THE CHAMBERS, AS
CARROLL ANN SAID, WE MISS SEEING YOU GUYS BUT IT'S NOT
ALWAYS POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE MISSING DINNER WITH OUR
FAMILIES AND JUST MAKING TIME FROM HOME JUST SITTING THERE

WAITING.
SO I ASK THAT YOU KEEP THIS GOING.
WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.
WE ARE GETTING OLDER.
YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:21:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:21:53 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE SHARBEL.
IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:22:01 >> GOOD MORNING HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS SHARBEL AND I AM A CORPORATE AND REAL ESTATE
LAWYER WITH MY WIFE, TWO TAMPA BAY CHILDREN IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I AM VICE CHAIR OF THE SECOND DCA NOMINATING COMMISSION, I
A MEMBER OF THE KREWE OF THE NIGHTS OF SANTIAGO AND
CHRIST THE KING CHURCH.
I AM A PROUD TAMPANIAN.
I AM ALSO THE SON AND HUSBAND OF CUBAN IMMIGRANTS.
I AM A PROUD CUBAN AMERICAN.
AND I SPEAK TODAY ON BEHALF OF COUNCILMAN VIERA'S RESOLUTION
IN SUPPORT OF THE BURGEONING CUBAN PROTEST MOVEMENT.
WHY ARE CUBANS PROTESTING? CUBANS ARE KNOWN THE WORLD OVER
BEING HARD WORKING AND INDUSTRIOUS.
CUBANS COMPILES MADE THEIR MARK IN EVERY PART OF LIFE,
IRONICALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT CUBANS AREN'T SUCCESSFUL IS
CUBA ITSELF, AND THE BLAME FOR THAT LIES SQUARELY WITH ITS

TOTALITARIAN MARXIST LENNONIST REGIME.
THE PEOPLE OF CUBA FINALLY HAD ENOUGH.
PEOPLE OF CUBA TOOK TO THE STREETS IN MORE THAN 40 CITIES
THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND SEEKING NOT JUST FOOD AND MEDICINE
FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT BUT RESPECT FOR BASIC HUMAN DIGNITIES.
FOR THE LIFE, LIBERTY AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
THIS MOVEMENT IS ORGANIC, UNORGANIZED AND GRASSROOTS AND
DESERVES OUR COLLECTIVE SUPPORT.
THEIR DEMANDS ARE CAPTURED IN THE SLOGAN OF HOME LAND AND
LIFE.
IT FLIPS THE DICTATORSHIPS MOTTO, HOMELAND OR DEATH, ON ITS
HEAD AND STATES THAT CUBA SHOULD BE FOR ALL CUBANS, NOT JUST
THE PRIVILEGED PARTY OF ELITES.
THIS ISN'T A PARTISAN ISSUE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA WHOM I RESPECT, AND I MAY HAVE OUR
DISAGREEMENTS, BUT LIKE ALL AMERICANS, WE SHARE A BELIEF IN
THE CORE VALUES IN THE CONSTITUTION AND SELF-EVIDENT TRUTHS
OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND FURTHERMORE THOSE
VALUES ARE UNIVERSAL HUMAN VALUES AND INALIENABLE GOD-GIVEN
RIGHTS THAT SHOULD BE DEFENDED, AND SUPPORT WHEREVER THEY
MAY BE.
SOME OF YOU MAY REASONABLY ASK, WITH SO MANY CHALLENGES ON
OUR DOORSTEP, WHY SHOULD THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPEND ITS
VALUABLE TIME FOCUSING ON THE AFFAIRS OF 100?
FIRST OF ALL CUBA AND ITS PEOPLE AREN'T SO FOREIGN.

TAMPA IS HOME OF THE THIRD LARGEST POPULATION OF CUBAN
ERICANS AS WELL AS IMMIGRANTS FROM COUNTLESS OTHER
COUNTRIES THAT COME HERE FLEEING OPPRESSION AND ARE WATCHING
THESE EVENTS CLOSELY.
THIS IS A DEEP AND PERSONAL ISSUE TO MANY OF YOUR
CONSTITUENTS MANY OF WHOM STILL HAVE FAMILIES SUFFERING
UNDER THE CASTRO REGIME.
MY WIFE AND I, THERE ARE THOUSANDS LIKE US, AND WE VOTE
EARLY AND OFTEN.
FURTHERMORE AS MANY OF NOW THE HISTORY OF TAMPA AND THE
REPUBLIC OF CUBA.
WE AREN'T RECENT IMMIGRANTS.
WE ARE SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH GENERATIONS WHO HELPED BUILT
THIS CITY IN THE DAYS OF HENRY PLANT.
THERE WOULDN'T BE THE CIGAR FACTORIES AND CUBAN
IMMIGRANTS --
10:25:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU.
10:25:08 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:25:10 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE STEPHANIE
POYNOR.
STEPHANIE, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:25:19 >> GOOD MORNING, COULD I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE?
10:25:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, MA'AM.

10:25:25 >> OH, YOU ARE NO FUN TODAY.
OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO START OFF BY ANNOUNCING TO YOU GUYS THAT
THE -- INSTALLED AS PRESIDENT OF T.H.A.N. LAST NIGHT,
CARROLL ANN BENNETT THE VICE PRESIDENT, STEVE MEADOWS OF
PORT TAMPA, AND SANCHEZ IS NOW THE SECRETARY.
SO LOOK FORWARD WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU COME TO VISIT.
SO BOTTOM LINE I AM NOT HERE FOR THAT.
I AM HERE BECAUSE -- I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT CMT.
THIS PROCESS WHILE IT MAY SEEM MORE CUMBERSOME TO SOME
STAFF, IT ALLOWS FOLKS TO APPEAR WHO NORMALLY WOULDN'T.
WITH MY HUSBAND OUT OF TOWN I AM THE SOLE CARETAKER OF MY
CHILDREN.
I CAN'T BE OUT OF THE HOUSE FOR HOURS ON END.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER BE HERE THIS MORNING.
I HAVE BEEN IN TAMPA SINCE 2012.
CITY COUNCIL IS DOING BUSINESS ON THURSDAYS.
MS. FOXX-KNOWLES RESPONDED TO ME PROMPTLY AND SAID THEY HAVE
BEEN DOING IT FOR AT LEAST 18 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN WITH
THE CITY.
WELL, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THAT.
IN 2000 THE POPULATION OF TAMPA WAS 303 THAT YOU.
ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS IT'S 404 THAT YOU TODAY.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN A 25% INCREASE IN THE POPULATION OF
THE CITY.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S PROBABLY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO --
MORE THAN THAT.
WHILE I PERSONALLY LIKE CMT AFTER SPENDING WEEKS LOOKING AT
THE CITY'S BUDGET FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE I WAS ASTOUNDED
AT THE OVERWHELMING SPENDING FOR THE NONENTERPRISE
DEPARTMENT.
DEVOTED TO EXPENSES IN MOST AREAS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD ARGUE THAT STAFF USE CMT TO
ACTUALLY INCREASE THEIR PRODUCTIVITY.
SITTING IN THE GALLERY WAITING TO SEE IF SOMEONE NEEDS THEIR
EXPERT TESTIMONY MAKES LITTLE SENSE IF SOMEONE COULD BE
WORKING AT THEIR DESK WAITING TO BE CALLED ON BIN YOU
GENTLEMEN.
IF POLLED CITY STAFF WOULD AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT.
BY THE SAME TOKEN IF YOU ARE DOING IT FOR STAFF IN ORDER TO
BE BETTER STEWARD OF THE CITIZENS MONEY, THEN IT SHOULDN'T
BE TERRIBLY DIFFICULT TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS TECHNOLOGY HAS BECOME AVAILABLE.
BUT REALISTICALLY YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHY YOU HAVE 111 ITEMS
ON THIS AGENDA.
IT'S UNREALISTIC AND OVERWHELMING FOR PART TIME EMPLOYEES.
CITY COUNCIL, YOUR CONSTITUENT BASE HAS GROWN BY 25% IN THE
LAST 20 YEARS, BUT IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU DO
BUSINESS, TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS WITH THE MOST

EFFECTIVE --
10:28:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
THANK YOU.
10:28:34 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE BARBARA AVIVA
BADCAMP.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:28:46 >> MY NAME IS IRA, AND I AM THE WIFE OF CHARREL WHO YOU
HEARD EARLIER TODAY.
A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CUBA, CAME TO THIS COUNTRY WHEN I
WAS 15 YEARS OLD.
LIVING IN CUBA -- MY DAD WAS A POLICEMAN AND I -- UNTIL MY
FAMILY AND I AM CAME TO THIS COUNTRY.
WE ARE RIGHT HERE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I GOT
A TASTE OF WHAT FREEDOM IS, AND THIS BECAME MY COUNTRY AND
MY HOME.
TODAY, MY PEOPLE HAVE COME OUT TO THE STREETS IN CUBA
BECAUSE I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT FELT LIKE I DIDN'T
BELONG.
BECAUSE AFTER PEOPLE TOOK TO THE STREET THOUSANDS OF CUBANS
THAT FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T BELONG, LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE A
VOICE.
AND THEY ARE ALL TAKING TO THE STREETS NOW.
THEY ARE RISKING THEIR LIVES.
THE CHILDREN ARE BEING KILLED.

THEY ARE RISKING IT ALL TO GET THEIR COUNTRY BACK THAT
BELONGS TO THEM.
GET THEIR FREEDOM BACK.
GET THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS BACK.
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU HEAR THEM SCREAM AFTER BEING BEATEN AND
SHOT AT IN STREETS.
FREEDOM.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
AND THEN 62 YEARS OF COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP, WE AS AMERICANS
IN MY HOME CITY OF TAMPA WE NEED TO SUPPORT THAT.
WE NEED TO STAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.
AND WE NEED TO STAND FOR FREEDOM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THIS
COUNTRY STANDS FOR.
AND OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CUBA NEED OUR SUPPORT AND
THEY NEED IT NOW.
THEY ARE BEING KILLED ON THE STREETS.
THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED AND THEY NEED
ATTENTION NOW.
THE ONLY THING IS INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION.
OTHERWISE, PEOPLE WILL DISAPPEAR, PEOPLE WILL JUST BE KILLED
AND NOBODY WILL KNOW THEIR NAMES.
WE MUST DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP.
I AM GOING TO FINISH WITH -- I WILL THANK EVERYBODY FOR
THEIR SUPPORT, AND ANYBODY THAT'S NOT CUBAN THAT WANTS TO
STAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND DO SOMETHING TO

SUPPORT MY PEOPLE, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL THEIR
SUPPORT.
THANK YOU.
10:31:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:31:40 >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT CONCLUDES AGENDAED PUBLIC COMMENT
PORTION OF TODAY'S AGENDA.
10:31:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.
I BELIEVE MR. DINGFELDER SLIPPED ME A NOTE HERE, GENTLEMEN,
IN REFERENCE TO CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 16, SIR?
10:31:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I APOLOGIZE FOR REQUESTING THIS A LITTLE LATE.
ITEM 16 IS THE NEW MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM THAT TPD HAS
INITIATED AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENOUGH TO HAVE A
BRIEF LESS THAN FIVE MINUTE DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED TO JUST
APPROVING THIS ITEM ON CONSENT.
I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM.
I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT CHEF BERCAW AND HIS TEAM HAVE
BEEN DOING AS WELL AS CHIEF DUGAN, OF COURSE.
BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY HEAR THAT
WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS ON THIS IMPORTANT ITEM.
SO I JUST REQUEST THAT WE PULL ITEM 16 FOR A VERY CIVIL AND
POSITIVE DISCUSSION.
10:32:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS?
10:32:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW THAT -- I WANT TO SECOND THAT.

I THINK MR. DINGFELDER BROUGHT THAT UP LAST YEAR AND I DO
AGREE.
I THINK THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND HAVE A
DISCUSSION ON IT HOWEVER BRIEF.
SO I WOULD STRONGLY AGREE.
10:33:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. SHELBY.
10:33:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY BRIEF STAFF REPORT, DID YOU WANT
THAT A SHORT COMMENT ON ITEM 16 DURING THE CONSENT DOCKET,
ASSUMING THAT THE STAFF CAN BE PRESENT?
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE CHIEF DUGAN OR DO YOU
WANT TO SET IT FOR 1:30 WITH THE REST OF YOUR ITEMS?
10:33:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
1:30, MR. SHELBY.
10:33:33 >> YOU DON'T HAVE A NIGHT COUNCIL TONIGHT.
SO WE WILL HAVE CHIEF BERCAW HERE AT 1:30.
10:33:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
10:33:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:33:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE WAS A MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.
MR. VIERA SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
I'M SURE STAFF ARE LISTENING AND WE WILL CALL THE CHIEF'S
OFFICE.
ALL RIGHT, MR. VIERA, YOU ARE UP, SIR.
10:33:55 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
YOU KNOW, BEFORE -- AND IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME FOR FIVE OR
SIX MINUTES, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND I HOPE I DON'T GET EMOTIONAL TALKING ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PERSONAL ISSUE.
WHEN I HEARD PEOPLE LIKE THE FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE, MY
GOOD FRIENDS SHARBEL AND HIS WIFE, WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE,
HE'S MORE OF A RONALD REAGAN GUY. I'M MORE OF AN FDR GUY,
BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS ISSUE IS
TO QUOTE ARETHA FRANKLIN, RESPECT, R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
WHEN PEOPLE LEFT CUBA, THE REGIME TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE
PRESS CONFERENCE THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY, I WANT EVERYBODY TO
LISTEN TO NANCY MILON WHO HAD FAMILY IN CUBA.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES OUR RESPECT.
IT WAS NOT A PUBLICITY STUNT.
RESPECT.
WE ARE TAUGHT TO RESPECT PEOPLE WHO COME FROM CULTURES AND
TO BE RESPECT REFUGEES.
AND IF WE HAVE AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE FOR THE PEOPLE HERE,
THEN GOD HELP US.
THIS IS A STATEMENT THAT IS ABOUT AS CONTROVERSIAL AS EATING
A HOTDOG AT YANKEE STADIUM.
IT'S A STATEMENT ABOUT SOLIDARITY WITH THE PROTESTING RIGHT
NOW IN CUBA.

THEY ARE PROTESTING FOR LIBERTY.
THEY ARE PROTESTING FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
THEY ARE PROTESTING FOR PRIVACY FOR EXPRESSION RIGHTS, FOR
ECONOMIC DIGNITY, AND FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES.
IT TELLS THE PEOPLE HERE IN TAMPA, GENERATIONS OF CUBAN
ERICANS WHO ARE HERE THAT THIS CITY HAS THE BACKS OF THOSE
WHO ARE IN THE STREETS RISKING THEIR LIVES NOW IN CUBA.
IT PUTS TAMPA ON THE RECORD OF SAYING YES TO LIBERTY, AND TO
THOSE RISKING THEIR LIVES IN CUBA.
WHO ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THE VERY REGIME THAT MY PARENTS
LEFT IN 1960.
IT PUTS CITY COUNCIL ON THE RECORD OF OPPOSING THAT SYSTEM.
IT'S A STATEMENT THAT WILL UNITE ALL CUBAN AMERICANS IN
TAMPA.
I AM NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT -- YOU PUT TWO CUBAN
ERICANS IN A ROOM YOU ARE GOING TO GET FIVE OPINIONS ON
POLITICS.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
LOOK AT ME AND MY GOOD FRIEND SHARBEL.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ENGAGEMENT.
WE HAVE HAD RESOLUTIONS IN THIS BODY ON ENGAGEMENT.
I HAVE SUPPORTED THEM.
I OPPOSE PRESENT U.S. POLICY AS REFERS TO ENGAGEMENT WITH
CUBA.
I HAVE SAID THAT MANY TIMES.

THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION ADDRESSES ISSUES THAT BRING CUBAN
ERICANS IN THIS CITY TOGETHER.
THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT ON TRAVEL TO CUBA.
I HAVE TRAVELED TO CUBA.
MY MOM HAS BEEN TO CUBA A FEW TIMES TO VISIT WHERE SHE GREW
UP AND SHE LEFT WHEN SHE WAS ELEVEN YEARS OLD.
IN FACT IT TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT MANY CUBAN AMERICAN
FAMILIES IN TAMPA TRAVEL TO CUBA.
IT'S NOT A STATEMENT ON THE MEANS TO THE END.
IT'S A STATEMENT ON THE END OF LIBERTY.
IT'S NOT AN AFFIRMATION OF PRESENT U.S. POLICY.
AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT MEANT TO DIVIDE NOR SHOULD IT BE
SUBJECT TO ARBITRARY ATTEMPTS TO DISRESPECT PEOPLE AND TO
DIVIDE US.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID YES TO ENGAGEMENT WITH REGARDS TO CUBA
SINCE I HAVE BEEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND SINCE I RAN FOR OFFICE.
THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT
THE PEOPLE OF CUBA, INCLUDING A CHANGE OF POLICY,
VACCINATIONS, AND THE ECONOMIC DEPRIVATION THAT THAT
CHALLENGE HAS CAUSED IN CUBA, THE INTERNET, PEOPLE RANGING
FROM GOVERNOR DESANTIS TO CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR HAVE
SPOKEN OUT ON THAT ISSUE.
SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN SPEAK OUT ON.
THIS RESOLUTION DEALS WITH A VERY NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE

THAT UNITES US.
IT'S ALSO A CALL FOR RESPONSIBILITY TO DEAL IN A RESPONSIBLE
WAY.
WE HAVE SEEN ELECTED OFFICIALS INCLUDING A CERTAIN PERSON IN
MIAMI IN AN IRRESPONSIBLE WAY, SOMETHING -- VERY MUCH SO,
VERY MUCH SO.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BRINGS US TOGETHER.
MY FAMILY LEFT CUBA IN 1960.
MY FATHER CAME HERE.
MY WIFE'S FATHER, LIVED IN A BUILDING THAT'S STILL THERE
NEXT TO ACADEMY PREP OVER IN THE AREA OF YBOR CITY AREA,
SHOVELED FISH FOR A LIVING.
MY MOTHER CAME HERE AT THE AGE OF 11.
MY FAMILY LEFT EVERYTHING.
AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU LEFT IN 1960 OR FREEDOM FLIGHT IN
1965 OR IF IN 1980 OR IF YOU LEFT IN 1995 OR IF YOU CAME
HERE FIVE YEARS AGO, THIS RESOLUTION UNITES PEOPLE WHETHER
YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT.
IT'S ALL ABOUT PEOPLE'S JOURNEY TO CUBA, AND CUBA'S JOURNEY
TO FREEDOM.
WHEN I WENT TO CUBA, VERY EMOTIONAL, IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL.
I DIDN'T GO FOR BUSINESS.
I WENT FOR FAMILY.
AND WHEN I WENT, IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL.
EVERYBODY HAD THEIR JOURNEY BACK TO CUBA.

THERE ARE SOME WITH US HERE IN TAMPA WHO WILL NOT RETURN TO
CUBA UNTIL THEY DIE.
THEY WILL NOT.
MY MOTHER CHOSE TO RETURN TO CUBA BEFORE SHE DIED.
EVERYBODY HAS THEIR JOURNEY HOME.
EVERYBODY HAS THEIR JOURNEY BACK TO CUBA.
THIS RESOLUTION IS ABOUT AFFIRM PEOPLE'S BASIC DESIRES FOR
LIBERTY, AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE DYING FOR IN THE STREETS RIGHT
NOW REGARDLESS OF YOUR JOURNEY BACK HOME TO CUBA.
THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER ISSUE, FINE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
MY RECORD ON THOSE OTHER ISSUES IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.
BUT DON'T ATTACK THIS RESOLUTION.
DON'T ATTACK THOSE WHO WENT OUT YESTERDAY TO THE PRESS
CONFERENCE.
LISTEN TO MY FRIEND NANCY MILON AND HER WORDS THAT SHE SAID,
THOSE BRING IT TO TEARS THEN CHECK YOURSELVES.
THIS IS A COMMON SENSE RESOLUTION.
THIS SHOULD NOT TAKE ANY MORE TIME THAN MY LONG WINDED
SPEECH.
I WILL END IT AT THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:40:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOPIC THAT -- I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER HEARD THE TERM THE ANGRY BLACK MAN.

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT TERM?
THE ANGRY BLACK MAN.
IF YOU EVER HEARD THAT TERM?
THE ANGRY BLACK MAN.
IT'S NOT ANGER, IT'S PASSION.
SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING, MR. VIERA, COULD BE THE ANGRY CUBAN
MAN.
BUT I FEEL THE PASSION IN HIS HEART.
MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:41:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR YOUR WORDS, AND FOR BRINGING
THIS UP.
EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP, AND I AM PROUD AND GLAD TO BE AN
ERICAN.
I AM GLAD AND PROUD AND HONORED TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
I WAS BORN HERE BUT I AM A FIRST GENERATION AMERICAN.
MY MOTHER IS A CUBAN REFUGEE ALONG WITH BE MY GRANDPARENTS
WHO CAME HERE AFTER 1961, AND TAMPA WELCOMED THEM FROM DAY
ONE.
MANY, MANY GOOD PEOPLE THAT HELPED THEM MAKE THIS PLACE
HOME.
MY GRANDMOTHER DIED LAST YEAR.
MY GRANDMOTHER NEVER WITNESSED A FREE CUBA.
HER SIBLINGS ARE DEAD.
MOST OF MY COUSINS ARE DEAD.

SOME ARE STILL AROUND IN MIAMI.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT A FREE CUBA --
THEY HAVEN'T KNOWN AN FREE CUBA SINCE BEFORE 1959.
I LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND I LOVE SO MUCH OF WHAT IT STANDS
FOR.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CONSTITUTION AND IT'S ALWAYS A
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, BUT WE HAVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THERE TO PROTECT THE FIRST
ENDMENT, THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS ESSENTIALLY PROTECTS OUR
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
ONE OF CASTRO'S FIRST SPEECHES IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY 1959,
MAYBE HIS FIRST SPEECH, WAS.
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
WHICH MEANS ARMS FOR -- WHY DO WE NEED GUNS?
TYPICAL OF ANY DICTATORSHIP FROM HITLER TO NORTH KOREA TO
CUBA, YOU TAKE PEOPLE'S GUNS AWAY, YOU TAKE AWAY NOT JUST
THEIR VOICE BUT YOU TAKE AWAY THEIR WEAPONS THAT HELP
PROTECT THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST
THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
AND I CAN SEE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS NOW, IN CUBA, THEY DON'T
HAVE ANYWAY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
MAYBE THEY THROW STICKS.
MAYBE THEY FIGHT WITH ROCKS.
WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT THEY CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES.

THEY CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES IN THE WAY THAT CASTRO DID
AGAINST BATISTA, HITLER COMES TO MOWER, MUSSOLINI, OR
GADHAFI THERE.
WERE WEAPONS THERE BUT THE PEOPLE IN CUBA ARE WEAPONLESS
FROM THE POLICY OF 62 YEARS AGO, AND I HEAR THE CURRENT
INDIVIDUAL IN POWER IN CUBA BLAMING THE U.S. EMBARGO.
WHO PUTS BLAME ON FAILED LEADERS, NARCISSISTS, AND I HATE TO
SAY IT BUT LOSERS, INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY HAVE DONE THIS TO
THEMSELVES AND THE SCAPEGOAT HERE IS THE U.S. EMBARGO.
WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD?
WHAT ABOUT THE ITALIANS AND CANADIANS AND EVERYBODY ELSE
THAT GOES AND TRAVELS TO THIS COUNTRY?
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY TRADE WITH, SO
MUCH THAT WE GET IS FROM CHINA.
THE FORMER ADMINISTRATION FROM THE PRESIDENT SAID CHINA IN,
CHINA THAT, CHINA OWNS SO MUCH OF OUR DEBT.
WE IMPORT SO MUCH FROM CHINA.
IT'S NOT TO BLAME THE UNITED STATES, IT'S THEY ARE DOING IT
TO THEMSELVES.
IT'S COMMUNISM FOR THE MASSES.
AND CAPITALISM FOR THOSE IN POWER.
FIDEL CASTRO LIVED WELL AND ALLEGEDLY PROVE TO ME THAT I
HAVE ONE DOLLAR TO MY NAME AND I WILL RESIGN TOMORROW,
WHATEVER HE WOULD SAY.
IT IS A FAILED POLICY.

YOU CAN LIFT THE EMBARGO TOMORROW AND NOTHING IS GOING TO
CHANGE BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING WITH COMMUNIST AND COMMUNISTS
DO NOT PLAY FAIR.
DICTATORS DO NOT PLAY FAIR.
SADLY IT'S ALWAYS BLOOD SHED THAT BRINGS THEM TO POWER.
PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO CUBA, HOW CAN YOU
BE A JUDGE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING DOWN THEREIN?
I DON'T NEED TO GO TO NORTH KOREA TO UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS
DON'T WORK.
AND THE PEOPLE OF CUBA ARE TIRED.
MY FAMILY GAVE UP, THEY CAME TO THE UNITED STATES, THEY SAID
THIS IS OUR HOME AND WE WILL NEVER GO BACK, AND THAT'S HOW
THEY DIED.
NOT KNOWING A FREE CUBA.
BUT IT'S A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.
PEOPLE WANT FREEDOM.
PEOPLE WANT ELECTIONS.
PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED.
I HEARD MENTION, OH, BECAUSE THEY KNOW COVID PUSHED PEOPLE
TO THE EDGE.
AND THIS IS NOT A THING -- WE ARE IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT
AND PASSION, IT'S 62 YEARS OF BEING IN THIS MOMENT.
I WANT TO SECOND THIS, AND I AM GOING TO SECOND THIS, BUT
YOU ARE ASKING FOR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND THAT WE STAND BY

THEM.
HOW MANY CUBAN AMERICANS ARE HERE IN TAMPA?
HOW MANY CUBAN AMERICANS ARE IN MIAMI?
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE LEFT.
AND I HAVE YET TO MEET ONE CUBAN REFUGEE THAT SAYS, NO,
THINGS IN CUBA ARE GOOD, I JUST CAME TO THE UNITED STATES
FOR A BETTER JOB OPPORTUNITY.
MY FATHER LEFT TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES.
LEFT MY MOTHER, MARRIED HER AND FOUND A JOB HERE.
SO MY FATHER CAN GO BACK FREELY AND SEE HIS FAMILY IF HE
WANTS TO IN SICILY WHERE THEY LIVE WELL.
HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN CUBA.
SO I AM GLAD THAT THIS IS BROUGHT UP.
AND 62 YEARS, MAYBE THERE IS SOME CHANGE.
TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIPS DO NOT WORK.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE MILITARY COUPS.
THIS REGIME IN CUBA HAS LASTED BECAUSE OF LUCK.
PEOPLE WERE TIRED OF BATISTA, AND CASTRO CAME TO POWER.
10:46:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
30 SECONDS.
10:46:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND I WILL FINISH IT UP.
BUT PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF ONE THING.
THE SOVIET UNION HAS COLLAPSED.
NORTH KOREA EXISTS BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY CLOSED OFF FROM
THE REST OF THE WORLD.

CHINA EXISTS IN A COMMUNIST STATE EMBRACING CAPITALISM BUT
LOOK HOW MUCH WE TRADE WITH THEM.
HOW MUCH DEBT DO WE OWE THEM?
HOW MUCH DOES CUBA OWE TO CHINA?
AT THE END.
DAY COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK, DOESN'T LAST, AND IT'S AN ISLAND
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT INVADING FORCES LIKE DO YOU
IN OTHER PLACES.
THEY HAVE THE SOVIET SUPPORT FOR A WHILE, THAT COLLAPSED
OVER 30 YEARS AGO, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE JUST WANT
FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY COME HERE WHEN THEY COME TO THE UNITED
STATES, THEY SEE HOW WONDERFUL THIS COUNTRY IS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS IS A HOT TOPIC.
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:47:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT I WILL SAY SOME
THINGS, AND IF WE HAVE TIME I WILL COME BACK.
I GOT INVOLVED IN THE CUBA ISSUE DECADE AGO BECAUSE I HAD SO
MANY FRIENDS THAT ARE CUBAN AMERICANS IN TAMPA AND OTHER
PLACES AND LISTENED TO THE HORROR STORIES THAT BOTH MY
COLLEAGUES JUST TALKED ABOUT JUST NOW AND I HAVE THE UTMOST
RESPECT FOR THAT.
I ALSO WENT TO CUBA SO I COULD HEAR FIRST HAND THE STORIES
AND CONDITIONS THAT THE CUBAN PEOPLE FACE AND IT UPSET ME

AND HAS UPSET EVERYBODY THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT HAS GONE TO
CUBA.
AND WE ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING TO TRY TO CHANGE THE CONDITIONS
AND SITUATION THERE.
WHAT I OBJECT TO, AND THE REASON WHY I USED THE WORD
PUBLICITY, WHEN WE MAKE A STATEMENT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE
ANY IMPACT, IT'S ABOUT PUBLICITY.
THERE ARE REAL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF
CUBA AND I HAVE GOT A LIST OF THEM.
BUT A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN A HURRICANE HIT PUERTO RICO THE
TAMPA BAY RAYS TOOK I THINK ONE OR TWO PLANES FULL OF
SUPPLIES TO PUERTO RICO, AND BECAUSE OF THE EMBARGO, YOU CAN
READ IN THE MIAMI HERALD, THE CUBANS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
SYRINGES TO INOCULATE PEOPLE.
I CAN GO THROUGH A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THERE.
WHAT WAS WORKING WAS PUSHING CAPITALISM IN CUBA.
THE NUMBER, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, THE
NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES MORE THAN DOUBLED IN CUBA
AND THE CHANGES A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE ECONOMY FELL APART,
AND ABOUT 80% OF CUBANS WHO PUT THEIR LIVE SAVINGS IN
STARTING BUSINESSES LOST THEM BECAUSE OF AMERICAN RULES.
THE PROBLEMS IN CUBA ARE NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE UNITED
STATES, THEY ARE IN PART BECAUSE OF THE UNITED STATES, AND
WE IN TAMPA CAN DO THINGS TO DIRECTLY IMPACT THEM.
THERE ARE NONPROFITS HERE THAT DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE CUBAN

PEOPLE AND WE CAN SUPPORT THEM, AND WE CAN DO OTHER THINGS.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT THE MAYOR OF MIAMI
HAS CALLED FOR WAR.
HE CAN USE WHATEVER WORDS HE WANTS BUT HE'S CALLED FOR WAR.
THE CUBAN PEOPLE DON'T WANT WAR.
THEY WANT THEIR GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE BUT THEY DON'T WANT
WAR.
WAR, WE HAVE SEEN, WARS KILL TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN
THE COUNTRY THEY ARE ATTACKING PLUS IT KILLS AMERICAN
CITIZENS.
I HAD FRIENDS WHO WERE IN THE BAY OF PIGS, AND THEY SAW WHAT
HAPPENED THERE, AND THEY WERE BETRAYED BY THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT, OTHERS, BUT THEY FOUGHT HARD TO TRY TO HELP THE
CUBANS GET THEIR FREEDOM.
WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOWARD FREEDOM FOR THE CUBAN PEOPLE.
WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE CUBAN PEOPLE.
WHAT I OBJECT TO WITH THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT THAT IT
QUOTE-UNQUOTE SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT HAS LANGUAGE AND RHETORIC IN IT THAT CAN
BE USED BY SOMEBODY LIKE THE MAYOR OF MIAMI AND OTHERS TO
JUSTIFY WAR.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF LOTS OF CHANGES IN
CUBA BUT I AM 100% AGAINST WAR.
I AM AGAINST A MILITARY INVASION.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, MR. CHAIR, NOW OR LATER, WE DON'T

NEED ALL THE RHETORIC IN THIS RESOLUTION.
WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING SIMPLE.
I'M A COMMUNICATION PERSON.
IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO SUPPORT THE CUBAN
PEOPLE, LET'S SAY SIMPLY INSTEAD OF HAVING 3 OR 4 PAGES,
WHATEVER IT IS, LET'S SAY SIMPLY THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE AND N THEIR EFFORTS TO GAIN
POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM AND I WILL MAKE THAT AS AN
ENDED MOTION OR SUBSTITUTE MOTION, AND I WILL FULLY
SUPPORT THAT.
I FULLY SUPPORT THE CUBAN PEOPLE AND TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES
TO THE GOVERNMENT.
I DON'T SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION AS IT'S WRITTEN.
THANK YOU.
10:50:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, WHEN WE COME TO THAT TIME FOR
A MOTION ON THE FLOOR IF YOU WISH TO PUT THAT ON THE FLOOR
AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MR. VIERA'S RESOLUTION YOU HAVE
THE RIGHT AT THAT TIME, SIR.
MR. CITRO.
10:50:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
IN ALL MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER, 40 YEARS, I HAVE WORKED IN
WEST TAMPA.
AND DURING THAT TIME I HAVE MET SO MANY CUBAN AMERICANS,
SOME WERE BORN THERE, THE MAJORITY WERE BORN HERE.
REFUGEES THAT CAME IN MANY DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS, FROM THE

60s, 70s, 80s.
AND I HAVE HEARD VARIOUS -- POLITICALLY FROM MY CUBAN
FRIENDS AND THE PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH 13 DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS IN THIS
COUNTRY, MORE DEMOCRAT THAN REPUBLICAN.
AND THROUGH ALL THAT TIME, MY CUBAN FRIENDS, CUBAN DESCENT,
ERICAN CUBAN, ALL THEY WANTED WAS ONE THING, A POLITICAL
CHANGE IN CUBA.
THIS COUNTRY HAS HELPED CUBA MANY, MANY TIMES.
AND I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT THE CUBAN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE OF
CUBAN DESCENT.
AND I WILL SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION.
BUT HEARING THE HORROR STORIES OF PEOPLE GOING TO VISIT CUBA
WITH FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX SUITCASES FULL OF THINGS FOR THEIR
FAMILY, AND ONLY ONE SUITCASE MAKING IT THROUGH.
MEDICAL SUPPLIES BEING SENT DOWN THERE AND ONLY A SMALL
FRACTION, AND YOU BETTER NOT TAKE ANY PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OR
CASH.
NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN CUBA HAVE SPOKEN UP
AND ARE SHOUTING WE WANT CHANGE NOW.
AND I WILL STAND BEHIND THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN CUBA, AND I WILL
STAND BEHIND THE CUBAN PEOPLE HERE IN TAMPA AND AMERICA.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:53:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:53:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I PASS.

10:53:49 >> I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT TO SAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW MORE THAN
WE KNOW IN THIS ROOM.
10:53:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS THINKING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY,
MR. CHAIRMAN.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
IN ALL MY YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, AND I HAVE ENJOYED EVERY
ONE OF THEM, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A RESOLUTION BEING DISCUSSED
THIS LENGTH IN MY 20-SOME YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
CALLING UP THE NATIONAL GUARD, AND THIS IS A RESOLUTION,
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
WHAT IS A RESOLUTION?
CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IT IS?
ASPIRATION TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
BUT IT MEANS WHATEVER THE SUBJECT MATTER MAY BE OR MAY NOT
BE, INTERPRETING, IS IT'S AN EXPRESSION OF FACT TO SAY THAT
THIS COUNCIL IS SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN ON
TELEVISION AND IF IT WAS HAPPENING IN THE STREETS OF TAMPA,
HOPE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY HOPE, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A LIFE.
THERE IS NO HOPE TOMORROW BECAUSE YOU HAVE GIVEN UP.
AND I THINK WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS, IS MAINLY TO GIVE HOPE
TO THE A LONG TIME THAT FELT THAT THEY HAD NO HOPE.
AND YES, I HAVE BEEN TO CUBA 35 TIMES SINCE 1954.

AND I HAVE BEEN BACK IN 2004.
I GOT OFF THE PLANE AND LOOKED AROUND, AND THE ONLY THING
WITH ME IS MY MIND.
WHEN I GOT OFF THE PLANE, NOT A DAMN THING HAD CHANGED.
ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, THAT'S NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD OR BAD.
YOU SEE THE SAME CABS THAT HAD 3, 4, 5, 6, 800, 900,000
MILES, A MILLION MILES ON THE SAME ONE, FROM THE 50s, FROM
THE 60s. BUT YOU SEE ONE THING THAT'S REALLY BEEN KIND OF
LOST IN THIS COUNTRY. A NECESSITY BRINGS IN PEOPLE WITH
INNOVATIVE IDEAS. CHANGES. A NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER
OF ALL INVENTIONS.
BECAUSE WHAT THE CUBAN PEOPLE HAVE DONE, THEY HAVE LEARNED
TO MAKE DO WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.
SOMETHING MOST OF US IN THIS COUNTRY CAN'T DO WITH.
ONCE I WAS RIDING IN A CAB, AND I KEPT TELLING THE GUY YOU
BETTER PULL OVER, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
THE RADIATOR IS OVERFLOWING.
WHEN HE OPENED THE HOOD AND I WENT TO LOOK AT IT, HE HAD
MADE A WATER PUMP OUT OF A WASHING MACHINE PUMP.
AND THE HOSE HAD BROKEN.
HE SAID HOW DID YOU THINK OF IT?
HE SAID IT'S NOT HOW I THINK ABOUT IT.
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I HAD TO LEARN TO MAKE SOMETHING TO GET
MYSELF FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND MAKE A LIVING.
WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE IN THIS COUNTRY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT MEDICINE, AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER
TODAY, FOR BEING SUCH A SMALL COUNTRY, I HAVE BEEN WATCHING,
ABOUT A MONTH AGO I GAVE MYSELF A TRIAL.
I GOT RID OF EVERYTHING I HAD ON THE TELEVISION.
NO INTERNET.
NO NATIONAL NEWS.
NO NOTHING.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
I FEEL I GAINED MY FREEDOM BACK.
I WAS WATCHING WEDU THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, AND IF MY
MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, GUESS WHAT, IT WAS ABOUT CUBA.
AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW A SMALL COUNTRY CAN HAVE SO
MUCH PRODUCTION AND DIFFERENT AREAS OF MEDICINE.
IN FACT THEY EVEN COMPARED THEIR CANCER RESEARCH BEING AHEAD
OF OURS.
WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT I DON'T KNOW.
AND THE PEOPLE IN CUBA WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT OTHER
PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAVE.
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT HAPPY.
MY FATHER TOLD ME ONCE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, HE SAID, YOU
KNOW, CHARLIE, I THOUGHT AMERICA WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT
THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE HERE, IT'S MUCH WORSE
THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN CUBA.
HE SAID ANY CUBAN KID GOING TO SCHOOL CAN DO MUCH BETTER
THAN ANY AMERICAN DID FROM THE SIXTH GRADE.

SEE, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, LIKE IN MEDICINE.
I AM NOT HERE TO TAKE AN HOUR AND A HALF OF DEBATE.
[BELL SOUNDS]
BUT IN CUBA WHEN YOU WANT TO BE A DOCTOR, YOU DON'T -- YOU
TAKE WHAT YOU WANT WHEN YOU ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL.
AND YOU SEE AND YOU SEE THE MEDICINE, YOU PARTICIPATE WITH
DOCTORS, AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO BE.
HERE, YOU DON'T DO THAT TILL YOU GET TO COLLEGE.
AND THEY HAVE AN ADVANCED EDUCATION THAT IS SECOND TO NONE.
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE EDUCATED KIDS.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, NO MATTER WHAT
EDUCATION YOU HAVE, YOUR PAY IS THE SAME AS SOMEONE WHO
NEVER DID ANYTHING, OR WANTED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.
BUT I AM NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT PHILOSOPHY OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THE RESOLUTION HERE, IF I DO LIKE THIS, THE CUBAN REGIME,
PEACEFUL MEANS TO IMPROVE THEIR LIVES.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
PICK ONE.
ANY ONE YOU WANT FROM WHAT I READ HERE.
THEY ARE ALL FACTUAL.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET IF WE SIT DOWN HERE FOR A DAY OR
TWO DAYS AND HAVE A COMPLETE MEETING OF CUBA.
CAN WE CHANGE ANYTHING?
TELL ME.
CAN YOU SEND THINGS TO CUBA?

CAN YOU SEND MONEY TO CUBA?
NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION BUT THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, THE
ONE BEFORE THAT ONE.
IT'S CHANGED TWICE ALREADY.
THERE HAS BEEN A VISIT FROM THE FIRST TIME OF A SITTING
PRESIDENT ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO.
DID IT MAKE ANY CHANGE?
FOR A DAY OR TWO IT DID.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ALL CLEAN.
HE DIDN'T LIVE WHERE I LIVE.
OR I VISITED.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT CAN WE CHANGE -- CAN THIS CITY
OF TAMPA CHANGE WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DEBATE?
IT'S UP TO THE CUBAN PEOPLE TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP.
AND THEY HAVE.
IT'S UNPRECEDENTED THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE -- AND THERE IS
WHERE IT'S AT, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE NEWS, IT'S THE
YOUNG PEOPLE ALONG WITH SOME OF THE ELDER PEOPLE THAT
MARCHING.
AND WHEN A COUNTRY REALIZES THAT THE FUTURE IS YOUTH AND
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MARCHING, CHANGE WILL COME IN
SOME FORM OR ANOTHER.
AND YOU HAVE TO ADMIRE THOSE THAT ARE WALKING, PROTESTING,

BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ARE AT RISK.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU, BUT I AM NOT GOING
TO PARTICIPATE IN A CUBAN IDEOLOGICAL FEELING ABOUT THE PROS
AND CONS.
THEY AREN'T GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE.
IT'S UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS KNOWN THIS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS OR LIBERALS
OR CONSERVATIVES, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVES UNDER THAT
THEY CAN EXPRESS FREELY, AND THEY WANT CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TO MARCH FOR FREEDOM.
WE WERE BORN IN IT.
SO IT'S UP TO THIS RESOLUTION, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A FEELING
OF WE HELP IF WE CAN, TELL US WHAT YOU NEED, THEY ARE
MARCHING, THEY ARE DOING THINGS PEACEFUL.
THERE WAS ONE OR TWO INCIDENTS THAT CAME OUT THE WRONG WAY.
AND AN ARREST OR TWO OR THREE MAYBE.
AND I APPRECIATE THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO WERE WORKING
YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE.
SO IT'S UP TO US TO SAY YAY OR NAY ON THIS RESOLUTION.
BUT I WILL NOT BE DEBATING ON WHAT TO DO WITH CUBA BECAUSE I
DON'T HAVE A DAMN POWER TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE
NOW.
THIS IS NOT -- WE ARE NOT IN THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING.

AND IF SOME MAYOR HAS A PROCLAMATION THAT MAYOR IS SICK.
SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE FACE, AND I SEE NOTHING WRONG
WITH THE RESOLUTION.
IN FACT ALL THE WHEREASES THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN MY LIFE
AND I AM WILLING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S A NEED TO SHOW
THAT WE HAVE THE RESPECT FOR THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO CHANGE
SOMETHING IN THEIR HOME LAND.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:03:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, IT'S CALLED HISTORY.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO CUBA.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA, EITHER.
I WOULD LOVE TO GO.
BUT WHEN I TURN ON THE TV AND I SEE THE SAME UNREST IN
AFRICA, THE SAME AS CUBA.
I SEE IT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE ALWAYS HEARD ME TALK AND SAY ECONOMIC
EMPOWERMENT.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AFRICA.
THOSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CUBA.
THE PEOPLE ARE EMPOWERING THEMSELVES NOW.
JUST LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN MY EAST TAMPA
AREA, EMPOWERING THEMSELVES, AND THOSE WHO NEVER SPOKE OUT
BEFORE, THOSE OWNERS WHO LIVE THERE, MR. DANIELS AND MS.
BURTON HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR MANY YEARS.
THEY CALL MY OFFICE, I NEVER NOT TAKE THEIR CALLS.

BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THINGS NOT BEING DONE.
SOME THINGS I TRY TO CHANGE.
SOME THINGS JUST CAN'T CHANGE.
I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE.
YOU SIX GAVE ME AN OPTION.
I PUT ON THE TABLE A RESOLUTION FOR FORGIVENESS FOR AFRICAN
ERICANS AND IT WAS A 7-0 VOTE ON THAT RESOLUTION.
WE KNOW SOME OF THE BAD THINGS DONE TO BLACK PEOPLE.
THOSE THINGS STILL GOING ON NOW.
WE TRY TO FIX WHAT WE CAN.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I HOPE OF THAT SOMEONE WHO IS CUBAN,
UNDERSTAND WHAT IT FEELS LIKE BECAUSE YOUR PARENTS LIVED AND
YOU FEEL LIKE THEY ARE YOUR FOLKS HOW THEY FEEL.
HOW I FEEL AS A BLACK MAN, WHEN MY FOLKS TALK ABOUT A
COLORED WATER FOUNTAIN AND WHITEWATER FOUNTAIN, HOW THEY
FEEL WHEN THIS PERSON -- THAT PERSON WAS QUALIFIED.
YOU LOOK AT CUBA.
I LOOK AT CUBA, I SEE SOME CUBANS THAT ARE AS BLACK AS ME.
AS BLACK AS ME.
SAME RACIAL IMBALANCE.
SAME RACIAL IMBALANCE.
THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS.
HOW WOO DO WE CHANGE ALL THAT?
THIS BODY CAN'T CHANGE CUBA.
WE KNOW WE CAN'T.

I SEE WHAT MR. CARLSON IS SAYING: I SEE HIS POINT.
BUT I ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REALITY OF THE HUMAN NATURE
OF THE REVOLUTION.
IT'S NOT ABOUT WAR.
I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINION.
IT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE FIGHTING ABOUT THE ISSUE.
WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE NO MATTER WHAT.
I THINK THE RESOLUTION IS A RESOLUTION THAT SPEAKS TO THE
GENERAL HEART OF HUMANITY.
AGAIN WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE CUBA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE
THE POWER TO CHANGE CUBA.
WE DO HAVE THE POWER IN TAMPA SAYING WE SUPPORT THOSE FOLKS
WHO WANT CERTAIN LIBERTIES, WHO WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A
BETTER LIFE.
SOME OF THE THINGS YOU FIGHT FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS.
I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH A FEW OF MY CONSTITUENTS, MS.
BURTON AND MR. DANIELS BUT I RESPECT THEM, NO MATTER WHAT
THEY SAY, THEY CALL ME, I AM GOING TO DO THE BEST I CAN FOR
WHAT I CAN DO.
THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW.
AND IF WE JUST SEND THIS OFF AND SAY, HEY, WE SUPPORT
HUMANITY, WE SUPPORT LIBERTY, WE SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE
TRYING TO DO FOR DEMOCRACY, I'M ONBOARD WITH THAT.
I RESPECT WHAT MR. CARLSON IS SAYING.
I THINK, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO MOVE THIS ALONG.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER ROUND.
WE SEE THE PASSION.
WE SEE THE FIRE.
WE SEE THE HUNGER.
I SEE CULTURE.
HISTORY CULTURE.
SO AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD.
THERE'S A MOTION PUT ON THE FLOOR.
MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
LET'S MOVE ON.
WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA.
11:08:39 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD A
MOTION TO OVERRIDE MY MOTION IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SECOND THAT
ONE.
11:08:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT OR A
SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT IS IN THE SAME SPIRIT BUT TAKES OUT
SOME OF THE COMPLICATED LANGUAGE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE
AND PLACE THE TWO PAGES HERE A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT CAN BE
USED, BANNERS AND FLAGS AND POSTERS AND EVERYTHING IN TAMPA,
MIAMI, CUBA, WHEREVER ELSE AND THE SIMPLE STATEMENT WOULD
SAY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN
THEIR EFFORTS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
11:09:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU SAY THAT'S ALL YOU WANT THE RESOLUTION
TO SAY, SIR?

11:09:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
AND IN MY OTHER BUSINESS, COMMUNICATING, THE SIMPLER IT IS,
THE BETTER IT IS.
WHAT IS IT FROM THIS TWO PAGES THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO
BRING OUT THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE?
A SIMPLE STATEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY
TALK ABOUT AND SOMETHING THAT'S USEFUL FOR POLITICAL
PURPOSES, AND IT TAKES OUT SOME OF THE COMPLICATED LANGUAGE
THAT SOMEBODY LIKE THE MAYOR OF MIAMI COULD USE TO START A
WAR.
BUT IT IS IN THE SPIRIT OF IT BECAUSE IT SAYS TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN THEIR EFFORTS TO
GET POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
11:10:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
IF I CAN SPEAK.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING TWO MOTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE.
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO MAKING TWO MOTIONS.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT'S IN ANY WAY DEROGATORY OR
ANYTHING.
IF I DID, I WOULD SAY IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF WHEREASES AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT
HAPPENED.
AND I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
THIS IS AS NEW TO ME AS IT IS TO ANYONE ELSE AND I AM NOT

AGAINST MR. CARLSON'S MOTION.
SO WHY DON'T WE PASS THEM BOTH?
SO EVERYONE IS SATISFIED HERE.
11:10:40 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF YOU WANT WE CAN FIRST VOTE ON MINE AND
THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S.
11:10:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, THIS MOTION IS ALL YOURS.
11:10:50 >>LUIS VIERA:
I MEAN, IF I MAY PROCEDURALLY, I THINK THAT
YOU HAVE GOT -- MAYBE IF I MAY SUGGEST WE MOVE ON MINE AND
THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON CAN MAKE HIS STATEMENT.
11:11:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ON THE FLOOR IN REFERENCE TO
ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER BY MR. MIRANDA, MORE MOTION WOULD
OVERRIDE MR. VIERA'S MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
MR. SHELBY.
11:11:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE WHAT I
HEARD -- AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS -- WAS THIS
RESOLUTION WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY COUNCILMEMBER VIERA SECONDED
BY -- AND I HEARD MR. MANISCALCO DURING THE POINT OF HIS
COMMENT SAYING THAT HE SECONDED IT.
DOES THE CLERK HAVE THAT AS A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE
FLOOR?
11:11:43 >> YES.
11:11:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THAT IS THE CASE, SIR, THAT IS THE MAIN
MOTION.
AND THAT TAKES PRECEDENCE, UNLESS A SUBSIDIARY MOTION IS
MADE TO AMEND OR IN THIS CASE ACTUALLY SUBSTITUTE.

SO IF THERE IS A SECOND TO THAT, WAS THERE A SECOND TO THE
MOTION TO AMEND AND/OR SUBSTITUTE DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT IS
GOING TO BE?
11:12:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED MR.
CARLSON'S SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
11:12:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WOULDN'T A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT HAVE TO BE
ACCEPTED BY THE MAKER OF THE MOTION?
11:12:17 >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT KILLS MY MOTION.
IF YOU GUYS SUPPORT THIS, THIS KILLS MY MOTION.
11:12:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HERE IS THE QUESTION, COUNCIL.
WITH REGARD TO A MOTION TO AMEND OR SUBSTITUTE MOTION,
THERE'S A SECTION IN ROBERTS RULES CALLED IMPROPER
ENDMENTS.
THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF AMENDMENTS ARE OUT OF ORDER.
AND NUMBER TWO SAYS, ONE THAT MERELY MAKES THE ADOPTION OF
THE AMENDED QUESTION EQUIVALENT TO REJECTION OF THE ORIGINAL
MOTION.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE THEN ULTIMATELY IS WITH REGARD TO A
MOTION TO AMEND, CERTAINLY IT'S VERY RARE FOR THIS CITY
COUNCIL TO AMEND RESOLUTIONS IN FRONT OF IT BUT LET ME JUST
SAY THIS.
DEPENDING ON WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS, IT DOES ACT AS IN FACT A
SUBSTITUTE, BUT THE QUESTION ULTIMATELY IS, DOES THIS HAVE
THE EFFECT THEN, AS MR. VIERA STATES, OF BEING AN IMPROPER
ENDMENT IN THAT IT MAKES THE ADOPTION OF THE AMENDED

QUESTION EQUIVALENT TO A REJECTION OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION?
AND THAT IS A QUESTION THAT IS -- THE QUESTION OF THE RULES
AND ULTIMATELY A DECISION OF THE CHAIR TO DETERMINE WHETHER
IT WANTS TO ENTERTAIN THE AMENDMENT WHICH IS A SUBSIDIARY
MOTION AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD VOTE ON THAT.
IF IT SUCCEEDS, THEN IT TAKES THE EFFECT OF SUPERSEDING MR.
VIERA'S MOTION IN ITS ENTIRETY.
IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT FAILS, AND YOU GO BACK TO THE MOTION,
THE MAIN MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, AND THAT'S MR. VIERA'S
MOTION, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
11:14:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION READY
TO GO?
11:14:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE -- MY MOTION IS TO SUBSTITUTE OR
END THE MOTION TO SIMPLY HAVE THAT SENTENCE, BUT HERE
BASED ON WHAT COUNCILMAN MEMBER MIRANDA SAID, HOW ABOUT
THIS, AND COUNCILMAN VIERA WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH THIS.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO -- WE CAN FIGHT OUT ROBERTS RULES BUT
I WOULD BE WILLING TO, WITHDRAW THAT MOTION IF WE COULD VOTE
ON BOTH OF THEM WITH MY VERSION GOING FIRST.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT BOTH WILL PASS.
IT'S LIKELY THAT BOTH WILL PASS.
BUT BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE ON
THE SECOND ONE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRST ONE --
11:14:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL GO TO MR. DINGFELDER THEN BACK TO
YOU, SIR.

MR. DINGFELDER.
11:14:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WELL, BASED ON WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID, I
DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MR. VIERA'S RESPONSE TO BE THAT.
11:14:59 >>LUIS VIERA:
I MEAN, IF HE WANTS TO -- I COULD GO ON AND
ON, BUT SAY THAT MY RESOLUTION WILL SOMEHOW POWER WAR WITH
CUBA, THAT'S JUST OUT OF LEFT FIELD.
I CONDEMN WHAT MAYOR SUAREZ SAID IN MIAMI.
WE TALKED YESTERDAY AT OUR "PUBLICITY STUNT" PRESS
CONFERENCE ABOUT A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER IN CUBA.
THERE HAS BEEN NO STATEMENTS SUPPORTING THAT WHATSOEVER.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IN ANY WAY THAT COULD GO.
IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTS TO MAKE THAT, I WILL SUPPORT IT
AS A SEPARATE MOTION SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T SUPERSEDE OR
REPLACE MY MOTION.
11:15:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:15:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT'S UP TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION ON
THE SECOND PART, IF THAT IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF THAT
INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO MAKE, AND I AM NOT A LAWYER AND NOT AN
EXPERT IN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, BUT IF HE WANTS TO VOTE
ON HIS FIRST, THEN IT'S GOT TO BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
IF HE WANTS TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION, THEN HE'S SECOND IN
LINE TO MR. VIERA'S MOTION BECAUSE HE'S NOT SUBSTITUTING,
HE'S BRINGING IN AN NEW MOTION.
SO I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.

I AM JUST A GUY ON THE STREET WHO HAPPENS TO BE HERE AND
THANK GOD I LANDED HERE. I REALLY ENJOY IT.
11:16:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A FRIENDLY MOTION BY MR. CARLSON
AND DINGFELDER.
MY QUESTION AGAIN, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE ORIGINAL MAKER
OF THE MOTION IS MR. VIERA.
CORRECT, SIR?
11:16:21 >> YES.
11:16:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I ALSO HAVE TO ADD THAT WE USE THE TERM
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, WHICH IN THIS CASE BASED ON WHAT I HAVE
BEEN HEARING, I DON'T THINK IT'S ACCEPTED AS A FRIENDLY
ENDMENT.
11:16:33 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, HOW ABOUT WE VOTE ON MY MOTION,
THEN WE VOTE ON COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION AND WE JUST MOVE
ON FROM THIS SO WE CAN GET ONTO OUR AGENDA?
11:16:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, I AM GOING TO LET YOU FINISH
UP AND MAKE A DECISION OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
11:16:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONLY MOTION I HAD A MINUTES AGO AND I
AGREED THAT MR. MIRANDA IS RIGHT, WHAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO
DO, IF WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE, AND THEN ON THE
OTHER MOTION, I WOULD BE WILLING TO WITHDRAW THE SUBSTITUTE
IF WE CAN VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE AS A SEPARATE MOTION BEFORE
WE VOTE ON THE OTHER, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- AND
THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE MAKER OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO
AGREE TO IT.

IF HE AGREES TO IT THEN WE WILL VOTE ON BOTH.
WE'LL VOTE ON MINE FIRST.
11:17:19 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WOULD LIKE MINE TO GO FIRST, IF I MAY.
11:17:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE ARE BACK IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
11:17:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL DO THIS.
11:17:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE?
11:17:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO HAVE A PREFERENCE.
11:17:31 >>LUIS VIERA:
TELL ME WHAT IT IS.
11:17:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY PREFERENCE IS SIMPLE.
WE WANT TO HAVE UNIFIED COUNCIL HERE.
FIRST, I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH MR. VIERA'S MOTION.
I RESPECT WHAT MR. CARLSON IS TRYING TO DO IN REFERENCE TO
WHAT HE BELIEVES OR WHAT HE THINKS IT MIGHT SEND A DIFFERENT
TYPE OF MESSAGE.
SO IF THERE IS TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT WANT TO BE PRESENTED,
THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF HE HAS ONE TO PRESENT, OR HE CAN HAVE
LEGAL MAKE ONE AND PRESENT THAT MOTION.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE AT HAND.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS, IN MY OPINION.
MR. SHELBY, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD.
I TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. IF MR. CARLSON WANTS TO MAKE A
MOTION, HE CAN MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO HIS RESOLUTION
MR. VIERA WAS FIRST.
WE VOTE ON HIS RESOLUTION.
11:18:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, GOT BEYOND A POINT OF

PRIVILEGE.
LET ME JUST STATE YOUR RULE 4 UNDER PARLIAMENTARY
PROCEDURES.
RULE K, THE CHAIR SHALL DECIDE ALL QUESTIONS OF PROCEDURE
AND ORDER AND THE DECISION SHALL STAND UNLESS REVERSED BY A
MAJORITY VOTE OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.
11:18:40 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND I DEFER TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:18:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, THEN WE MOVE ON.
WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA.
WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.
MR. DINGFELDER.
11:18:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK PROCEDURALLY, JUST FOR PRECEDENT
PURPOSES, I THINK WE ARE A LITTLE OFF TRACK.
FROM WHAT I HEARD, MR. VIERA MADE A MOTION.
IT WAS SECONDED.
MR. CARLSON MADE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, OR WE COULD CALL IT
SOMETHING ELSE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE WORD, MR. SHELBY USED,
BASICALLY ELIMINATING MOST OF THE WHEREASES, VIRTUALLY ALL
OF THE WHEREASES CLAUSES AND SUBSTITUTING IN A DIFFERENT
WHEREAS CLAUSE.
I THINK PROCEDURALLY, AND WESTBOUND PRECEDENT, THAT THAT,
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE WHEN WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE
MOTION, WHEN WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WE
VOTE ON THE SECOND MOTION FIRST, AND THEN WE GO BACK TO THE
PRIMARY MOTION.

SO IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT WE ARE BREAKING FROM WHAT I
THOUGHT WAS TRADITION.
11:19:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
11:19:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SINCE MR. CARLSON PUT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION
ON THE, MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED, WE VOTE ON THAT.
IF IT DIES, IT DIES, AND IT SUPERSEDES MR. VIERA'S MOTION?
11:20:13 >> YES.
11:20:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN THAT CASE, ONCE YOU LOOK IT UP, YOU
TELL ME WHAT THE RULE IS, WE WILL GO BY THE RULE, WE'LL GO
FROM THERE.
11:20:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, I DID LOOK IT UP.
AND WHEN YOU START TO DO MOTIONS TO AMEND AND IT GETS TO THE
POINT WHERE IT'S VERY SUBSTANTIVE, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY,
LITERALLY, A SUBSTITUTION.
I HAVE TO ASK SPECIFICALLY -- AND I LOOK AT ROBERTS RULES --
IT GOES THROUGH QUITE AN EXTENSIVE WAY TO STRIKE WORDS, ADD
WORDS, SUBSTITUTE WORDS, TAKE OUT PARAGRAPHS.
FOR INSTANCE ARE, YOUR RESOLUTION HAS A TITLE.
11:20:52 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, WE CAN EASILY SOLVE THIS.
SINCE YOU ARE THE ONE IN CHARGE, IF YOU WILL AGREE TO ALLOW
BOTH MOTIONS TO GO FORWARD, I WILL WITHDRAW THE SUBSTITUTE.
11:21:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S FINE WITH ME, SIR.
11:21:04 >> IN WHAT ORDER?
11:21:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE CHAIR'S OFFER TO ALLOW BOTH TO MOVE
FORWARD, WHICH ORDER DO WE TAKE THEM IN?

11:21:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK MR. VIERA'S SHOULD GO FIRST AND
YOUR MOTION SHOULD BE SECOND, SIR.
11:21:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
THEN I WILL WITHDRAW, WITH RESPECT TO --
THANKS TO MR. DINGFELDER, I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
11:21:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. VIERA
ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WITH MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:21:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:21:39 >>LUIS VIERA:
SI.
11:21:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:21:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:21:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO.
11:21:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM VOTING NO AS I SAID BEFORE BECAUSE I
OBJECT TO SOME OF THE WHEREAS CLAUSES AND OTHER LANGUAGE BUT
I HAVE FULL SUPPORT FOR THE CUBAN PEOPLE.
THANK YOU.
11:21:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:21:57 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER AND CARLSON
VOTING NO.
11:21:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE CARLSON WITH A MOTION ON THE
FLOOR.
IN LIGHT OF WHAT YOU STATED, IF YOU COULD STATE THAT AGAIN.
11:22:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
I CAN ACCEPTED THIS TO THE CLERK, A MOTION
THAT COUNCIL QUOTE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTS THE
CUBAN PEOPLE IN THEIR EFFORTS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC

FREEDOM.
11:22:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.
SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:22:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS WOULD BE TO COME BACK THIS AFTERNOON
WITH SOMETHING IN WRITING, BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS YOU
HAVE A STATEMENT WHICH SOUNDED LIKE A TITLE, WHICH WOULD BE
IN THE THEREFORE BUT IN THE PREAMBLE WHICH IS USUALLY WHERE
THE WHEREASES CLAUSES ARE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE.
11:22:52 >> IT'S ONLY ONE SENTENCE.
11:22:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO YOU ARE MAKING IT NOT FOR THE
RESOLUTION?
11:22:58 >> WE CAN PUT IT IN ONE FORM YOU WANT BUT A STATEMENT THAT
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL APPROVES A STATEMENT WHERE WE CAN GO TO
THE CUBAN AMERICANS IN TAMPA, MAIM, CITIES ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES AND THE CUBANS IN CUBA AND ELSEWHERE AND SAY, TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN THEIR
EFFORTS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
11:23:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. SHELBY, I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE IN
THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION.
THAT WAS THE INTENT OF MR. CARLSON.
11:23:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
11:23:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO THE FORMAT AND BRING IT BACK THIS

AFTERNOON.
11:23:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH MR.
CARLSON TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION.
11:23:32 >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ONE SENTENCE.
COULD WE JUST VOTE TO BRING IT BACK THIS AFTERNOON?
11:23:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S YOUR MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SIR.
IF MR. SHELBY CAN GET IT TYPED UP IN THE FORM OF A
RESOLUTION OR STATEMENT.
HOWEVER HE FEELS IS BEST TO COME BACK THIS AFTERNOON.
11:23:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES IN THE COMMUNITY FOR TALKING
ABOUT THIS SO MUCH, AS THE OTHER RESOLUTION SAYS, TAMPA HAS
A LONG HISTORY WITH CUBA, AND I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT
WE CAN DO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, HUMANITARIAN GROUPS THAT
HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY FOR YEARS WORKING WITH CUBA AND THEIR
RELIGIOUS GROUPS, RESEARCH GROUPS, THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS
THAT WE AS CITY COUNCIL AND AS LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY,
WHAT WE HAVE AND CAN DON TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THE IMMEDIATE
SITUATION AND IMMEDIATE URGENT SITUATION FOR THE CUBAN
PEOPLE AND LONG-TERM WE CAN SUPPORT THEM.
SO I WILL BRING THIS BACK.
THANK YOU.
11:24:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR.
CARLSON, IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION/STATEMENT, THAT MR.
DINGFELDER SECONDED.

11:24:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[OFF MICROPHONE] I THINK MR. SHELBY NEED
TO HAVE IN THE WRITING.
WE CAN'T PASS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN WRITING.
11:24:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO FOLLOW UP, MR.
MIRANDA, I THANK YOU.
AND I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO.
SO BASICALLY THIS VOTE IS TO COME BACK.
IT'S A STATEMENT TO DIRECT ME WORKING WITH MR. MIRANDA TO
COME BACK -- WITH A RESOLUTION IN WRITING THAT CAN BE SIGNED
BY THE CHAIR AND THE CLERK.
11:24:57 >> THAT'S FINE.
11:25:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.
SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
11:25:05 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THIS IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
THIS IS A SEPARATE ONE.
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES, MORAL CLARITY IN MY -- MORE
CLARITY IF MY MOTION.
11:25:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON.
11:25:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
11:25:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:25:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:25:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:25:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:

11:25:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:25:27 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:25:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS AFTERNOON FOR THAT ITEM.
WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA. WE NEED TO MOVE THE BEST WE CAN.
ITEM NUMBER 3.
11:25:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:25:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
3 THROUGH 73.
11:25:59 >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
WE ARE NOW OPEN.
11:26:04 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER
3, TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY ON YOUR AGENDA FOR A LOCAL
LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THIS ITEM I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PRESENT
DOWNSTAIRS AND A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO CITY COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT THIS
ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR PETITION FOR REVIEW REGARDING SPECIAL
USE APPLICATION.
THAT HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR JULY 29th AND I WANTED TO
ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE PUBLIC DO NOT SPEAK
REGARDING THAT PETITION FOR REVIEW BECAUSE IT'S NOT NOTICED
FOR TODAY.
IT'S ONLY NOTICED FOR THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE LOCAL
LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
AND RESPECTFULLY THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING.
THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT BE FOCUSED ONLY ON WHAT IS SCHEDULED
FOR TODAY.
THANK YOU.

AND THEN MS. ELAINE LUND IS HERE FOR STAFF.
I BELIEVE SHE'S APPEARING AND HOPEFULLY WILL GIVE THE
PRESENTATION FOR THE ITEM NUMBER 3.
11:27:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL HEAR IT.
11:27:08 >>ELAINE LUND:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY?
11:27:14 >> PLEASE PROCEED.
11:27:20 >> THIS IS ELAINE LUND WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
ARE YOU HEARING ME?
11:27:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN HEAR YOU.
11:27:26 >>ELAINE LUND:
GREAT.
SO THE ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING IS THE LOCAL
HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR
FACTORY.
IF I MAY SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
SO THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY IS 1908 NORTH 36th
STREET IN THE COMMUNITY OF GARY.
PROPERTIES CONSIDERED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION
COMMISSION ARE THE HPC AT A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE
WHETHER THEY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR LOCAL HISTORIC
DESIGNATION FOUND IN SECTION 27-257 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF
ORDINANCES.
LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION PRESERVES HISTORIC LANDMARKS AND
DISTRICTS, PROVIDES FOR REVIEW, ALTERATIONS TO DESIGNATED

PROPERTIES, THE HERITAGE OF THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1980 IN
GARY WHICH IS EAST OF YBOR CITY.
THE 1915 MAP SHOWING THE STRUCTURE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER
OF 36th STREET AND YOU CAN SEE THE CIGAR FACTORY TO THE
WEST THERE, AND TO THE NORTH, A SERIES OF HOUSES.
THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS THE MODERN DAY AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH
OF THE SAME AREA WITH THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN RED.
THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY WAS FOUNDED IN 1904 FOR
THE MANUFACTURE OF CIGARS.
THE FACTORY OPERATED IN A ROOM OVER THE CURRENT BLOCK AT THE
CORNER OF -- WHERE THE BUILDING STILL STANDS TODAY.
STREET EXPANDED ITS BUSINESS TO GARY IN 1908.
THE CIGAR BRICK FACTORY HAS BLOND BRICK CIGAR FACTORY, AND
THE TYPES, LARGE MASS EAST-WEST ORIENTATION AND HAVING
TYPICAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STYLE.
[~AUDIO DISTORTION~] THE FACTORY WAS DESIGNED BY JAMES, A
PROMINENT ARCHITECT IN WEST TAMPA AND TAMPA, FROM THE
PRINCIPAL BRAND MANUFACTURING BY THE TIERRA DEL LAGO COMPANY
BECAUSE IT IS UNNECESSARY TO ASK THE BUYER WHAT KIND OF
CIGAR IS BEST.
THE CIGAR COMPANY MOVED TO YBOR CITY IN 1919 AND THE
BUILDING -- MASONIC LODGE.
GARY WAS A THRIVING COMMUNITY IN THE EARLY 1900S, LOCAL RAIL
LINES.

INCORPORATED IN THE CITY OF 1919 AND WAS ANNEXED INTO THE
CITY OF TAMPA IN 1923.
CIGAR FACTORIES MADE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN CONTRIBUTION TO
THE FOUNDING, DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE EARLY
MUNICIPALITIES OF YBOR CITY, WEST TAMPA AND GARY.
THE EARLY POPULATION OF THE AREA GREW IN DIRECT PROPORTION
TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING HERE TO SEEK CIGAR FACTORIES
AND OTHER INDUSTRIES.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY 11 DESIGNATED CIGAR FACTORIES IN THE
CITY.
THESE ARE DESIGNATED OR AS PART OF HISTORICAL DISTRICTS.
THIS IS A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER NUMBER THAN THE APPROXIMATELY
OVER 200 FACTORIES THAT ONCE EXISTED IN THE CITY.
THIS APPLICATION WAS MADE ON AUGUST 9th, 2020, BY THE
OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS ADDED TO THE HPCC IN 1920.
YOU CAN SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL OR THE
DESIGNATION ON MARCH 9th, 2021 AND THE PLANNING
COMMISSION FOUND THE APPLICATION CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON APRIL 5th.
NOTICE HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE OWNER NEARBY PROPERTY
OWNERS, REGISTERED ORGANIZATIONS FOR TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING.
THE LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS OF THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR
FACTORY WITH A TYPE.
THE FACTORY MEETS THREE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA

ORDINANCES 27-257 FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
CONSTRUCTED DURING THE PERIOD OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE,
WHICH IS CONSIDERED GENERALLY 50 YEARS.
HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT IN THE AREAS OF INDUSTRY AND
ARCHITECTURE.
ADDITIONALLY, OWNER SUPPORT MUST BE CONSIDERED FOR THE
DESIGNATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY FOR COMING
FORWARD TO REQUEST THE DESIGNATION AND FOR WORKING WITH US
THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
IN SUMMARY, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REVIEWED
THE APPLICATION ON MARCH 9th AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND
FOUND IT TO BE CONSISTENT.
THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
APPROVE THE DESIGNATION OF THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR
FACTORY, 1908 NORTH 36th STREET AS A LOCAL LANDMARK
BASED ON MEETING THE CRITERIA SECTION 27-257.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:33:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?
OKAY.
11:33:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I BELIEVE AT MINIMUM WE HAVE THE
PETITIONER, THE APPLICANT WHO WANTED TO SPEAK TO US?
(BACKGROUND CONVERSATION).

11:33:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COMPUTER, PLEASE?
WE HAVE A PETITIONER?
11:33:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:33:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
STILL THERE, MR. POWELL?
11:34:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T BELIEVE -- MR. POWELL IS HERE, THE
PERSON WHO IS MAKING THE --
11:34:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOUR MIKE IS NOT ON.
11:34:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
I BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE PRESENT.
WE CAN CHECK ON TWO.
THERE'S NO ONE ELSE HERE PRESENT?
11:34:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS ANYBODY IN THE ROOM, SIR?
11:34:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYBODY OTHER THAN THIS GENTLEMAN?
THERE'S A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE EARLIER.
HE LEFT.
ALL RIGHT.
I GUESS WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
YOU ARE WELCOME TO SPEAK.
11:34:43 >> HE LEFT.
HE WAS IN THE OTHER ROOM.
BUT I AM HERE ALSO QUICKLY ON THIS MOTION AS WELL.
IN SUPPORT OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, I WANTED TO COME TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF PRESERVING --
11:35:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOUR NAME, SIR.

11:35:04 >> MICHAEL FITROW, AND I'M A STUDENT AT ST. PETERSBURG
COLLEGE, ONE OF MY CASE STUDIES ON SEEING HOW LOCAL
GOVERNMENT WORKS AND MAKING A CASE STUDY TO STUDY HOW TO
MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
BESIDES BEING THE CIGAR FACTORY, IT ALSO SERVED AS A FREE
MASONIC LODGE AND WAS HEAVILY INVESTED WITH TENS OF
THOUSANDS, EVENTUALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, AND
I DO BELIEVE THAT HAVING SERVED MULTIPLE USES WITHIN THE
COMMUNITY, EVERYTHING MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND NEEDS
IN ORDER TO BECOME A HISTORIC PRESERVE SITE, AND THEN WITH
THE ADDITION TO PUBLIC SAFETY, BETTER SAFETY MEASURES,
EDUCATION, AND BRINGING IN TOURISM, FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND
I BELIEVE BRINGING FOLKS TOGETHER CLOSER SOCIALLY,
PRESERVING HISTORY, HONORING WHERE WE COME FROM, I WOULD
LIKE TO SAY AND SUPPORT THAT I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THIS A
PRESERVED HISTORIC SITE, AND I AGREE WITH THE
RECOMMENDATION, AND WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU.
11:36:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
MOVE TO CLOSE?
11:36:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BEFORE YOU CLOSE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE OR TWO THINGS ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR BUILDING.
BACK IN ABOUT 2004, OR 2003 WHEN MR. CARL WAS CITY ATTORNEY,

THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE AND HISTORICALLY DESIGNATE
ALL CIGAR FACTORIES IN THE CITY, AND SOME OF THEM GOT DONE
VOLUNTARILY, AND THEN SOME OF THEM RESISTED.
AND THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING THE PASTOR WHO OWNED THE CHURCH
OWNED THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME RESISTED HEAVILY.
HE SAID, YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE ME PUT IN NEW WINDOWS AND
THIS AND THAT, HE SAID OUR LITTLE CHURCH CAN'T AFFORD IT.
AND HE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN RESISTING, AND WE UNDER HIS
POSITION AT THE TIME.
TIME WENT ON AND NOW IT'S IN THE HAND OF A PRIVATE DEVELOPER
WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS THE WHEREWITHAL AND THE CAPITAL TO
RENOVATE AND TAKE THIS BUILDING BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL
POSITION AND PUT IT TO GOOD USE.
THE CHURCH PUT IT TO GOOD USE DURING THE YEARS THEY HAD IT
BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT UP.
BUT NOW REALLY PROUD OF MR. POWELL AND HIS TEAM, THAT THEY
ARE GOING TO DO THIS, AND I WILL SUPPORT IT
WHOLEHEARTEDLY --
11:37:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECONDED BID MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:37:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIRST READING BY TITLE.
11:37:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND I AM HAPPY TO SEE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION BECAUSE SO MUCH WAS DEMOLISHED OVER THE LAST
60, 70 YEARS WITH URBAN RENEWAL AND THE INTERSTATE AND

WHATNOT.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING CONSIDERED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
DESIGNATING TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY LOCATED AT 1908
NORTH 36th STREET TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 23 HEREOF AS A LOCAL LANDMARK PROVIDING
FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:38:24 >> SECOND.
11:38:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:38:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:38:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:38:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:38:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:38:40 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON
AUGUST 5th, THE 2021 AT 9:30 A.M.
11:38:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANKS TO THE CITY STAFF WHO PUT
TOGETHER THAT LONG HISTORY ON THE BUILDING.
WE NEED MORE OF THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S SO HELPFUL
AND I HOPE THAT VALUABLE INFORMATION IS CIRCULATED IN THE
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
11:39:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT YOUNG MAN OR
NOT, MR. POWELL.

FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW HIM I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS YOUNG
MAN.
HE'S BECOME QUITE A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPER, ENTREPRENEUR.
HE'S TRYING TO FIX THE PLACE UP.
AND I AM JUST SO PROUD OF HIM.
A GREAT JOB ON THE WORK HE'S TRYING TO DO AND HAS BECOME A
GREAT, GREAT YOUNG MAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
ITEM NUMBER 4.
11:39:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CONTINUE TO NOVEMBER 4, 2021.
11:39:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
SO MOVED.
NUMBER 5 WILL BE AT 1:30.
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.
PUBLIC SAFETY, MR. CITRO, ITEMS NUMBER 6 THROUGH 19, SIR.
11:40:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ALL THOSE WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF ITEM 16.
11:40:10 >> SECOND.
11:40:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO MOVED IT.
SECONDED.
11:40:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY, WE MOVED SO FAST.
I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FOR NUMBER 7.
CAN WE PULL NUMBER 7 OUT, PLEASE?
11:40:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN THAT CASE I WILL MOVE ITEM AGENDA NUMBER
6 THROUGH 19 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 7 AND 16.

11:40:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SECOND.
11:40:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
11:40:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:40:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:40:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:40:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:40:49 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:40:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:40:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:40:53 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:40:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
I COULD JUST DATE THE NATURE OF MY
CONFLICT?
11:40:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
11:41:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST THE COMPANY WITH WHICH I AM RETAINED
HAS A CLIENT THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN NUMBER 7 SO I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ABSTAIN AND ALSO FILE MY PAPER FORM WITH THE
CLERK.
CAN WE VOTE TO ACCEPT THIS?
11:41:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MR. CARLSON MADE A MOTION.
MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
NUMBER 7.
11:41:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, I MOVE RESOLUTION FOR ITEM

NUMBER 7.
11:41:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:41:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:41:45 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:41:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:41:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:41:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:41:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:41:52 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON
ABSTAINING.
11:41:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, ITEM NUMBER 20-28, PARKS
AND RECREATION.
11:42:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 20 THROUGH 28.
11:42:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:42:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:42:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:42:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:42:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:42:13 >>BILL CARLSON:

11:42:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:42:17 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:42:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

11:42:19 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:42:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, PUBLIC WORKS, 29 THROUGH
39.
11:42:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, MARTIN SHELBY,
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT WAS ON THE ADDENDUM TO PULL ITEM
29.
BUT IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO TAKE IT TODAY BECAUSE BRAD
BAIRD HAS BEEN EXCUSED FROM THE OTHER ITEMS, IF THERE'S NO
OBJECTION, I AM SURE THE ADMINISTRATION WOULDN'T MIND NUMBER
29 ALSO BEING MOVED EVEN NOW OR LATER AT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:42:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY CONCERNS IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM?
11:43:14 >> 29 WAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
11:43:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE NOTHING I WILL MOVE ITEMS 29
THROUGH 39.
11:43:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:43:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:43:24 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:43:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:43:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:43:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:43:28 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:43:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

11:43:30 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:43:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MOVE THE FINANCE
COMMITTEE REPORTS EXCLUDING NUMBER 42?
11:43:38 >> ITEM 42 THROUGH 50 EXCLUDING 42.
11:43:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, QUESTION.
11:43:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE ITEM AND THE
MOTION BUT ITEM 40 IS SPECIFICALLY THE APPOINTMENT OF THE
PARTICULAR GENTLEMAN, I DON'T KNOW HIM, AS A MEMBER OF THE
VRB.
AND THESE ARE IMPORTANT POSITIONS, THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
AND SOME OF THESE OTHER BOARDS, THE BARRIO, AND SIMILAR
TYPES OF BOARDS.
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BACKUP FOR THIS -- AND I KNOW THIS
IS THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT.
BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BACKUP, I DON'T REALLY FIND A WHOLE
LOT OF PORTION IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THE PERSON FEELS
ABOUT THESE ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST WONDERING -- AND I WILL TALK TO THE CLERK ABOUT
THIS, BUT I AM JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN SORT OF BEEF UP A
QUESTIONNAIRE SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE
PERSON WHO IS APPLYING FOR THIS, YOU KNOW.
ARE THEY A HARD CORE PROPERTY RIGHTS PERSON, OR ARE THEY
SOMEBODY THAT'S MORE NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED, OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT
BEFORE I FOR ONE AND THE REST OF YOU VOTE ON A PERSON IN THE

ABSTRACT.
SO, ANYWAY, I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE, AND I JUST WANTED
TO BRING THAT UP.
AND I AM GOING TO TALK TO SHIRLEY, OUR CLERK, ABOUT THAT
ISSUE, AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION
FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
11:45:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M SURE SHE'S LISTENING.
MR. MIRANDA.
11:45:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CHANGE ON -- 42,
44 TO ALLOW, IF I REMEMBER THAT COUNCILMEMBER WHOSE FAMILY
MEMBER IS GETTING A LITTLE -- SHE WORKED FOR US, SHE'S
ENTITLED AND I JUST DON'T WANT SOMEBODY LATER ON IN THE
FUTURE TO ACCUSE THIS COUNCIL OF ANYTHING.
11:46:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, ITEM NUMBER 44, MR. MIRANDA?
11:46:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
44.
11:46:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. MIRANDA IS REMINDING ME IN REGARD TO
ITEM 44, I GUESS HIS MEMORY IS BETTER THAN MINE THAT MY WIFE
RECEIVED SOME PROCEEDS, I THINK LAST YEAR, NOT NECESSARILY
THIS COMING YEAR, FROM THE TAMPA HILLSBOROUGH FILM AND
DIGITAL MEDIA COMMISSION.
I'M SURE SHE EARNED MUCH MORE THAN SHE GOT.
BUTT WITH THAT SAID, MR. MIRANDA, I APPRECIATE YOU REMINDING
ME OF THAT AND I WILL RECUSE MYSELF FROM ITEM 44 JUST OUT OF
AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, MR. SHELBY, AND I WILL FILL OUT THE
APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK.

THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA.
11:46:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
11:47:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TAKE THAT SEPARATELY, PLEASE.
11:47:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA MOVES 41 THROUGH 43, 45, 46,
47 THROUGH 50.
11:47:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
11:47:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY CITRO.
ROLL CALL.
11:47:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:47:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:47:29 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:47:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
EVERYTHING BUT 44, YES.
11:47:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:47:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:47:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:47:38 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:47:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER STEP OUT ONE QUICK SECOND
FOR 44 AND WE'LL GET THAT OUT OF THE WAIT AND WE'LL MOVE ON.
11:47:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CONSIDER ME OUT.
11:47:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
I COULD SAY ONE THING?
WHILE HE'S WALKING OUT.
ADAM SMITH, I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER PERSON HONOR WAS
APPOINTED, BUT ADAM SMITH BACK ON 42, I JUST WANT --
11:48:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, WE ARE NOT TAKING 42.
11:48:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHILE HE WAS WALKING OUT I WAS GOING TO

MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT 42.
SAY THANKS TO THE MAYOR FOR ADDING ADAM SMITH BECAUSE HE'S A
GREAT PERSON, HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
11:48:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE 44?
11:48:33 >> MOVE ITEM 44.
11:48:35 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:48:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:48:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:48:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:48:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:48:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:48:43 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH DINGFELDER
ABSTAINING.
11:48:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, BUILDING, ZONING, 51 THROUGH
55.
11:48:54 >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 51 THROUGH 65, PLEASE.
11:48:56 >> SECOND.
11:48:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:48:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:49:01 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:49:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:49:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:49:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:49:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:49:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

11:49:10 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:49:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
11:49:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I HEREBY MOVE ITEMS 66 THROUGH 73.
11:49:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:49:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:49:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:49:25 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:49:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:49:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:49:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:49:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:49:30 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:49:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEMS 74 TO BE HELD FOR REVIEW
HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 2nd, 2021 AT 10:30 IN THE MORNING.
11:49:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE] AYE.
11:49:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEM 75 TO BE HELD PUBLIC HEARING
AT AUGUST 26th, 10:30 A.M., COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THIRD
FLOOR.
11:50:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
11:50:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS ON 76 THROUGH 82.
11:50:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:50:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?
HEARINGS ARE OPEN.
NUMBER 76.
STAFF.
11:50:20 >> PATRICK PEREZ, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, SECOND READING ON
THE WORKING ORDINANCE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO ALLOW POLICE OFFICERS AND
ENFORCEMENT SPECIALISTS TO WRITE CITATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL
VEHICLES LEFT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES SINCE THE FIRST READING BUT I AM
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:50:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS BY -- OF STAFF?
11:50:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I ASSUME IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR
THE FIRST READING AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCIL FOR
THE SUPPORT.
11:50:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
11:50:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:50:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
I'M SORRY, MR. MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU READ IT, SIR?
11:51:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING?
SO MOVED.
11:51:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE MOVING TOO FAST.
THANK YOU.

MR. MANISCALCO.
MR. VIERA SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. MANISCALCO, SIR.
11:51:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE PARKING
CITATIONS MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES CHAPTER 15 PARKING AMENDING ARTICLE 1,
ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS, DIVISION 1, GENERAL PROVISIONS,
ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY, DEFINITIONS, SECTION 15-4.5,
AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR PARKING TICKETS, REPEALING
ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:51:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:51:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:51:53 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:51:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:51:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:51:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
11:51:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:52:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:52:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

11:52:03 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:52:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 77.
DO WE HAVE STAFF ON 77?
11:52:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:52:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
MR. VIERA, WOULD YOU READ 77?
11:52:34 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
11:52:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
76, 77 AND 78?
LOOKS LIKE NUMBER 76 WAS CLOSED AND VOTED ON.
IS THAT CORRECT?
IS SHE PRESENT NOW FOR 76?
11:52:57 >>THE CLERK:
JEAN STROHMEYER, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE,
PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
11:53:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE SHE DOES I THINK YOU NEED TO
REOPEN.
11:53:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REOPEN NUMBER 76.
11:53:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, SECONDED BY MR. VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IT'S REOPENED.
MS. STROHMEYER?
11:53:22 >> HELLO?

WHAT ITEM ARE WE ON, 76?
11:53:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
76.
11:53:28 >> HI THERE.
I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF PARKING CITATIONS AS A WAY TO PUNISH
PEOPLE FOR PARKING IN THE CITY THAT WE ALREADY PAY FOR.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. ANYWAY, THAT'S IT.
I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
11:53:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:53:51 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:53:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
11:53:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY.
THE TITLE HAS ALREADY BEEN READ.
I GUESS ANOTHER ROLL CALL AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT IS
IN ORDER, TO PUT A PERIOD AT THE END.
STATEMENT.
11:54:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NUMBER 76 I READ IT.
11:54:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SECOND IT.
11:54:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
NEED TO CLOSE.
11:54:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, I WILL READ IT.
I WISH THAT HE WOULD READ THE ORDINANCE.

THAT IS MY OPINION.
WE CLOSED ALREADY TO CLOSE.
11:54:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL'S PLEASURE CERTAINLY.
READ THE ORDINANCE.
11:54:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ITEM NUMBER 76
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE.
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE
PARKING CITATIONS MAKING REVISION TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES CHAPTER 15 PARKING AMENDING ARTICLE 1
ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS DIVISION 1 GENERAL PROVISIONS
ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY DEFINITIONS SECTION 15-4.57
AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR PARKING TICKETS REPEALING
ALL ORDINANCES IN O OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
11:55:06 >> SECOND.
[ROLL CALL]
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:55:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
WITH REGARD TO 77, WHERE DO WE STAND, THE CLERK'S POSITION?
11:55:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE ONE PERSON, MS. STROHMEYER AGAIN
TO SPEAK.
11:55:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAS THE HEARING CLOSED ON 77?
IT'S STILL OPEN?

11:55:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:55:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
11:55:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STAFF ON 77?
11:55:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO FOLLOW UP,
IF I CAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
THIS IS THE SECOND READING BASED ON COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO
THE ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT BY ORDINANCE THE PROVISIONS
THAT WAS PASSED I BELIEVE IN 2016 AS A CHARTER AMENDMENT,
AND JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, TO BRING TO YOUR SPECIFIC
ATTENTION, THAT THERE'S A SECTION OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT
TAKES EFFECT UPON THE MAYOR SIGNING IT AND WHAT IT SAYS IS
UNDER COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDITS, THE
CITY COUNCIL SHALL MAKE THEIR REQUEST FOR ANY ADDITIONAL
INTERNAL AUDITS WITHIN 30 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE PROPOSED
ANNUAL INTERNAL AUDIT WORK PLAN FROM THE INTERNAL AUDITOR.
SO I JUST WANT TO INFORM YOU, IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT,
THERE WAS AN E-MAIL THAT WAS SENT TO CITY COUNCIL BY THE
INTERNAL AUDITOR, I BELIEVE, THE DATE WAS JULY 7th, THAT
TRANSMITTED THE WORK PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL.
IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT YOU DID GET A COPY OF IT.
I JUST WANT TO REMAINED YOU SO THAT 30 DAYS BEGINS RUNNING
FROM THE 7th OF JULY WHICH WOULD MAKE IT AUGUST 7th,
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY TWO REGULAR MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW
AND THEN.
SO I JUST DIRECT YOU TO THAT UNLESS COUNCIL UNDER NEWSPAPER

BUSINESS WE COULD TAKE UP THE ISSUE IF YOU COUNCIL WANTS TO
PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE THE 30 DAYS IS UP,
BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
WHEN THE MAYOR SIGNS THIS, THIS ORDINANCE TAKES EFFECT.
11:57:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL THAT ARE LOOKING TO
HAVE ANY AUDITS DONE?
I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION AT THE TIME.
THIS IS JUST A WAY TO KIND OF CURTAIL THE COUNCIL FROM JUST
ASKING FOR AUDITS, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT PERSONALLY.
I AM GLAD WE ARE ABLE TO FIND IT HAD NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
THAT'S THE KEY.
IT WAS NEVER IMPLEMENTED WHEN IT WAS VOTED ON BY THE PUBLIC.
SO I AM GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME IN REFERENCE TO THIS AUDIT?
MR. DINGFELDER, HE WAS FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.
11:57:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YES, I SAW THE E-MAIL FROM OUR AUDITOR, AND WITH THE LIST OF
AUDITS PROPOSED, AND IT LOOKS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
THE ONLY RESPONSE, AND I SENT AN E-MAIL BACK TO MR. BENNETT
AND MS. GLOVER, OUR ONLY RESPONSE BACK WAS -- AND IT'S NOT A
DEMAND BY ANY MEANS FROM COUNCIL OR THIS COUNCILMAN, IS ON
THE LIST THAT I SAW, I DIDN'T SEE ANY TPD, AND TPD
REPRESENTS VERY SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET.
AND SO I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED.
AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO TO

THEM, OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T EXPECT A RESPONSE THAT QUICKLY.
BUT SINCE CHIEF BENNETT IS HERE, IF HE HAS A RESPONSE, THAT
WOULD BE GREAT.
OTHERWISE WE CAN BRING IT UP AT A LATER DATE.
11:58:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DID CALL ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
MR. BENNETT?
11:58:55 >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD AFTERNOON OR CLOSE TO GOOD AFTERNOON.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND IN SUPPORT TO BOTH MS. GLOVER'S
EFFORTS ON THE AUDIT PLAN, AND IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SECOND
READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
THAT MS. GLOVER AND I AND THE SENIOR STAFF, WHAT CHRISTINE
REFERRED TO AS AN AUDIT UNIVERSE ANALYSIS BY PORTFOLIO.
I WENT BACK FOR FIVE YEARS AND AGGREGATED ALL OF THE AUDITS,
BY PORTFOLIO, SENT THEM OUT TO THE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP, TO
LOOK RETROSPECTIVELY BEFORE THE AUDIT PLAN GOT FINAL, AND TO
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S POINT, I BELIEVE AND I AM DOING THIS
FROM INDEPENDENT RECOLLECTION WITHOUT LOOKING AT THAT
ANALYSIS THAT WAS SENT OUT AND I AM HAPPY TO SHARE A COPY,
THAT TPD BY WAY OF AUDITS ARE IN THE T&I SPACE RELATED TO
RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND THE FEW OTHER SUPPORTING
TECHNOLOGICAL ANGLES IN TPD BUT I WILL GO BACK AND MAKE SURE
THAT THOSE TWO ARE CONJOINED.
AND THESE PART OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE LOOK BACKWARDS, NOT JUST IN THE MOMENT OF THE AUDIT

BUT TO LOOK RETROSPECTIVELY AS WELL AS PROSPECTIVELY IN OUR
LEVELS OF SERVICE.
SO I APPRECIATE COUNCIL SUPPORT ON THE ORDINANCE.
THE PLAN.
AND I ALSO KNOW, I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION ON THE LAST
READING ABOUT LOOKING AT THIS.
SO I THINK EITHER A WORKSHOP RIGHT AFTER THE BEGINNING OF
THE YEAR, TO SEE HOW WELL EVERYTHING IS MOVING.
SO HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
12:00:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
MR. CARLSON.
12:00:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD SOME CONCERNS LAST TIME AND BEFORE
ABOUT LIMITING CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY, BUT I ASKED THE
QUESTION LAST TIME, DOES THIS EFFECT THE CITY COUNCIL'S
RIGHT BY CHARTER TO QUOTE-UNQUOTE INVESTIGATE AND THE ANSWER
GINA GAVE WAS NO.
THE WAY I LOOK AT AUDITS IS THEY ARE MOSTLY PROCESSED,
REVIEWING PROCESSES COMPARED TO BEST PRACTICES, THEY ARE NOT
INVESTIGATING, AND INVESTIGATING POWER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
WE NEVER LIMIT.
THANK YOU.
12:01:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THAT CLEAR, MR. SHELBY?
12:01:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.
12:01:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING ELSE FROM CHIEF OF STAFF?
12:01:15 >>JOHN BENNETT:
NO, SIR.

THANK YOU.
12:01:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, SIR.
WE WILL GO TO MR. VIERA, CAN YOU HANDLE NUMBER 77 FOR US?
12:01:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:01:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M SORRY.
MRS. STROHMEYER.
12:01:34 >>LUIS VIERA:
JEAN STROHMEYER, IF YOU ARE STILL ON THE
LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
12:01:46 >> I WITHDRAW ANY MORE COMMENTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY.
12:01:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ELSE?
ANYBODY ELSE?
MOVE TO CLOSE?
12:02:02 >> SO MOVED.
12:02:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MR. VIERA.
12:02:10 >>LUIS VIERA:
I HEREBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION 2-71
REGARDING INTERNAL AUDITS, PROVIDING FOR THE PROCESS BY

WHICH CITY COUNCIL CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDITS
PURSUANT TO CITY CHARTER SECTION 5.01 SUBSECTION C PROVIDING
FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICTS
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:02:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
12:02:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:02:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:02:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:02:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
12:02:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:02:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:02:48 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:02:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:02:50 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:02:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE REACHED THE 12 NOON
HOUR.
WE HAVE A LOT TO STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH.
I DON'T THINK IF I GAVE 15 MINUTES WE STILL WOULDN'T GET
THROUGH WITH IT.
12:03:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME BACK AT 1:30.
12:03:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COME BACK AT 1:30.
I SEE THE CHIEF IS STILL ON THERE.
SO WE HAVE A FULL PACKED AFTERNOON.
SO --
12:03:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE YOU ADJOURN, I JUST WANT TO HAVE

SOME CLARITY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I KNOW STAFF REPORTS ARE NORMALLY AT 1:30.
WILL STAFF REPORTS BE TAKEN UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE
COMPLETED?
12:03:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SECOND READINGS.
12:03:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE ARE SECOND READINGS.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE ALL RIGHT.
12:03:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH REGARD TO MR. GRANDOFF, DID HE MAKE A
REQUEST FOR THE 10:30 HEARING THAT WANTED A CONTINUANCE?
12:03:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
12:03:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T SEE --
12:03:52 >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
MR. SHELBY?
I WAS DELAYED DOWNSTAIRS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
THERE'S A MATTER SET FOR HEARING AT 10:30.
I PLAN TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT.
THE PETITIONER IS ALSO IN AGREEMENT TO A CONTINUANCE.
12:04:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHICH ITEM?
12:04:14 >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
ITEM 98.
12:04:15 >> THAT'S A REVIEW HEARING.
MOTION TO OPEN PLEASE.
12:04:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION MADE.
AND SECONDED.
12:04:31 >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
I'M REPRESENTING THOMAS BUCKINGHAM WHO IS

A PROPERTY OWNER WHO WAS GRANTED A VARIANCE.
MR. FAIR HAS FILED A REQUEST FOR THE APPEAL HEARING.
MY CLIENT IS OUT OF TOWN TODAY.
MR. FAIR IS OUT OF TOWN IN AUGUST.
WE BOTH AGREED TO SEPTEMBER 16 DATE, IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S
PREROGATIVE.
12:04:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IS MR. FAIR THERE?
12:04:56 >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
HE IS NOT HERE BUT HE HAS AUTHORIZED ME TO
ASK A CONTINUANCE.
I TOLD HIM WE WOULD NOT DISCUSS THE MERITS.
12:05:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THE 16th OF SEPTEMBER OPEN?
THERE IS NO MEETING ON THE 16th OF SEPTEMBER.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY MOVED TO THE 30th BECAUSE OF YOM
KIPPUR.
12:05:14 >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
WHENEVER THE COUNCIL PREFERS.
12:05:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOVE 98 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 10:30 IN THE
MORNING.
12:05:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
12:05:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:05:33 >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURTESY, MR. CHAIRMAN
AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
12:05:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL BE BACK AT 1:30.

(CITY COUNCIL IN RECESS).
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
[ROLL CALL]
13:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NORMALLY WE WOULD TRY TO GET THROUGH THE
1:30 WITH STAFF WHEN I LOOK AT THE REST OF THE AGENDA, FROM
THIS MORNING, MOST OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION LAND USE, TEN
MINUTES OR SO.
I DON'T SEE A LOT.
WE'LL GET TO HAVE THAT AND WE'LL GET TO STAFF REPORTS.
13:36:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALSO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A
10:30 REVIEW HEARING.
13:36:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER 78.
WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR 78, IS THAT CORRECT?
STAFF FOR 78?
13:37:16 >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF, TA/CPA 20-41, A SECOND READING FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT
TO RECOGNIZE ROME AND SLIGH PARK.
THIS WAS HEARD AT THE JUNE 24th CITY COUNCIL HEARING AND
IT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR ADOPTION.
THIS CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:37:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
MOVE TO CLOSE?
13:37:54 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
13:37:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE

SECOND FLOOR.
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
ALL RIGHT.
13:38:01 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
13:38:04 >> SECOND.
13:38:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA SECONDED
IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
MR. CARLSON, WOULD YOU READ NUMBER 78, SIR?
13:38:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 20-41, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE
IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEWT LAND USE ELEMENT
FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT 6800
NORTH ROME AVENUE OTHERWISE KNOWN AS ROME AND SLIGH PARK
FROM RESIDENTIAL 20 AND RECREATION A OPEN SPACE PROVIDING
FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:38:53 >> SECOND.
13:38:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
13:38:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
13:38:57 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
13:38:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

13:39:00 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
13:39:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
13:39:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
13:39:03 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:39:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 79.
13:39:06 >>DANNY COLLINS:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, ITEM NUMBER 79,
TA/CPA 21-02 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5709 NORTH 47th
STREET AND 4705 EAST HENRY AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE WHEREVER
RESIDENTIAL 10 TO FUTURE 35.
YOU SAW THIS ON JUNE 24th.
THIS IS THE SECOND READING AND IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR
ADOPTION.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:39:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC REGISTERED?
13:39:42 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
13:39:44 >> MOTION TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA.
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. CITRO, ITEM 79, SIR.
13:39:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FILE TA CPA 21-02, ORDINANCE BEING

PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
ENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE
LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 5709 NORTH 47th STREET AND 4705 EAST HENRY
AVENUE FROM RESIDENTIAL 10 TO RESIDENTIAL 35 PROVIDING FOR
REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:40:29 >> SECOND.
13:40:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL.
13:40:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
13:40:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
13:40:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
13:40:38 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
13:40:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
13:40:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
13:40:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
13:40:42 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:40:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 80.
13:40:46 >>DANNY COLLINS:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM 80 IS TA CPA 21-037 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 809 WEST
LINEBAUGH AVENUE FROM RESIDENTIAL 10 AND RESIDENTIAL 20 TO
RESIDENTIAL 20.
YOU SAW THIS AMENDMENT ON JUNE 24th AND IT IS BACK
BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR ADOPTION.

THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
13:41:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
MS. ROSARIO?
ANYONE REGISTERED?
13:41:16 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
13:41:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE BY MIRANDA, SECOND BY
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. DINGFELDER.
13:41:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE, TA CPA
21-03, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE
MAP, FOR THE PARROT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 809 WEST LINEBAUGH
AVENUE FROM RESIDENTIAL 10 R-10 AND RESIDENTIAL 20 R-20 TO
RESIDENTIAL 20 R-20 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES
IN CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:41:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
13:41:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
13:42:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
13:42:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
13:42:03 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

13:42:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
13:42:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
13:42:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
13:42:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
13:42:08 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:42:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 81.
13:42:12 >>DANNY COLLINS:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER 81 IS TA/CPA 21-05 FOR MULTIPLE PROPERTY
GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND SOUTHEAST
OF YBOR.
THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS TO
CMU-35 AND RMU 100.
YOU SAW THIS AMENDMENT ON JUNE 24th.
IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR ADOPTION.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:42:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THIS ITEM?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED?
13:42:49 >> NO ONE REGISTERED.
13:42:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY MIRANDA, SECOND BY
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. MIRANDA, ITEM 81, SIR.

13:42:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE TA CPA 21-05.
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND USE
MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1405 AND 1417 EAST 2nd
AVENUE, 1202 NORTH 15th STREET AND 802 NORTH 12th
STREET, FROM LATE INDUSTRIAL LI AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL HI TO
REGIONAL MIXED USE 100 RMU 100 AND 1302 AND 1402 NORTH
15th STREET FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LI TO COMMUNITY MIXED
USE 35, CMU-35, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
13:43:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL.
13:43:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
13:43:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
13:43:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
13:43:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
13:43:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
13:43:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
13:43:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
13:43:57 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:43:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 82.
MR. COLLINS.
13:44:00 >>DANNY COLLINS:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

THIS IS ITEM 82.
IT'S TA CPA 21-09, PLAN AMENDMENT TO RECOGNIZE RECREATION
OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION.
YOU HEARD THIS ITEM ON JUNE 25th AND IS BACK BEFORE YOU
TODAY FOR ADOPTION.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:44:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THIS ITEM?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED?
13:44:24 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
13:44:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. VIERA.
13:44:32 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND USE
MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 10105 NORTH BOULEVARD,
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS DANIEL DEL RIO POOL FROM RESIDENTIAL 10
R-10 AND RESIDENTIAL 20 R-20 TO RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT PROVIDING
FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

13:45:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL.
13:45:04 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
13:45:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
(NO RESPONSE)
13:45:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
13:45:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
13:45:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
13:45:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
13:45:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
13:45:12 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION UNANIMOUSLY WITH CITRO BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
13:45:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 83.
13:45:20 >> ROB WIGGINTON LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE SECOND READING FOR ITEM 83 BE
CONTINUED UNTIL CITY COUNCIL'S REGULAR AGENDA ON AUGUST
26th TO ALLOW TIME FOR NOTICE TO ANY POTENTIALLY
IMPACTED PROPERTY OWNERS.
ALTHOUGH THIS TYPE OF NOTICE IS NOT GENERALLY REQUIRED WHEN
CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR, WE ARE TAKING AN EXTRA STEP
HERE OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
13:45:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CLERK, DIDN'T WE OPEN UP EARLIER ALL
THE QUASI-AS WELL?
OKAY.
MR. DINGFELDER?

13:46:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOVE TO CONTINUE 83 TO 8-26 REGULAR
AGENDA.
13:46:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
13:46:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
9:30.
13:46:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY.
AUGUST 26th?
13:46:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT WAS THE REQUEST, 8-26 AT 9:30 A.M.
13:46:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
13:46:17 >> SECOND.
13:46:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY MR.
MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
ITEM 84.
13:46:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, THESE ARE ALL
QUASI-JUDICIAL.
THEY ARE SECOND READS.
THEY DO REQUIRE THE WITNESSES TO BE SWORN, AND ALSO I AM
AWARE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR RELATIVE TO
THE QUASI-JUDICIAL --
ALL THESE ITEMS?
13:46:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S ALL OF THEM BUT
I BELIEVE YOU PROBABLY WANT AN AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT FROM
SOMEBODY THAT THERE IS NOBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE I

AWARE, I TRAVELED DOWN TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND THERE ARE
PEOPLE THERE.
13:46:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
83 TO 97.
13:47:11 >> YES, THERE'S SOMEONE HERE FOR 84.
13:47:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THAT THE ONLY PERSON, FOR 84?
ALL RIGHT.
84.
13:47:29 >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
13:47:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE HEARD WITH REGARD
TO THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?
I REQUIRE OF COUNCIL WHETHER THEY HAVE READ OR RECEIVED OR
RECEIVED AND READ ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WHICH CAME IN
AFTER THE DEADLINE OF YESTERDAY MORNING OR IF THEY HAVE ANY
OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY NEED TO DISCLOSE
RELATIVE TO THIS CASE.
THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO THAT, PLEASE.
13:48:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE, GENTLEMEN?
13:48:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE NO RESPONSE.
THANK YOU.
13:48:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU MAY CONTINUE.
YOU HAVE SWORN IN EVERYBODY?
OKAY.
13:48:20 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 84.

THIS CASE REZ 20-103 IS A SECOND READING, FOR 5-4-26 BAY
CENTER DRIVE.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM PD TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OFFICE
BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL HOTEL RESIDENTIAL AND
MULTIFAMILY.
CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE CITY CLERK
AND ALSO HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:48:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ALL RIGHT.
THE APPLICANT?
13:49:02 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME?
HELLO. MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK.
MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CRESCENT COMMUNITIES.
WITH ME TODAY IS TIM GRAFF WITH CRESCENT.
DAN OF HIGHWOODS PROPERTY.
AND RANDY COEN OF COEN AND COMPANY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM TO BRING TO YOUR
ATTENTION.
REGARDING A CONCERN ABOUT ONE SCENARIO ALLOWING FOR 546
UNITS VERSUS THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, WE HAVE ADDED A NOTE TO
THE SITE PLAN WHICH WAS SIGNED OFF BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT,
AND THE ZONING STAFF, WHICH WOULD LIMIT OF NUMBER OF UNITS
UNDER EITHER DEVELOPMENT OPTION TO A TOTAL OF 293 UNITS SO

WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE A SPLIT SCENARIO WHERE A LARGER
PROJECT WOULD BE BUILT UNDER ONE SCENARIO AND NOT IN
ANOTHER.
SO IN EITHER SCENARIO,
THE MULTI-DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO -- [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
COUNCIL HAS HEARD THIS CASE SEVERAL TIMES.
WE DO NOT PLAN ON MAKING ANOTHER PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT WE
WOULD RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE ANY REBUTTAL COMMENT AFTER
COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
BUT WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY
HAVE.
13:51:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
13:51:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. MECHANIK, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, THE
THING YOU JUST MENTIONED.
AS I REMEMBER, YOU ARE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, LEGAL LAST
TIME SAID TYPICALLY DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO
EITHER ONE.
AND SO IF WE APPROVE THE PROPOSAL TODAY, YOU STILL COULD GO
BACK AND DO THE OTHER ONE.
SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, IS YOU
ALL WOULD VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP THAT RIGHT THAT YOU WOULD
OTHERWISE HAVE TO SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT YOU ARE LISTENING TO
THEM AND TRYING TO HELP.
13:51:38 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
EXACTLY.

WE HAVE MADE THAT COMMITMENT, AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THE SITE
PLAN.
13:51:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
13:51:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL HEAR FROM ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
STATE YOUR NAME.
13:51:56 >> TOM McCANN.
I LIVE AT 5125 WEST NEPTUNE WAY.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT.
13:52:10 >> SORRY.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS TOM McCANN, I LIVE AT 5125 WEST NEPTUNE WAY.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BEACH PARK HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATION.
A SHOUTOUT TO MR. MECHANIK AND DEVELOPERS FOR LOWERING THE
DENSITY TO 292, 293.
THAT MEANS A LOT TO US.
OUR BOARD VOTED TO 1,286 RESIDENTS OF BEACH PARK, WHICH IS A
SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, A STATEMENT THAT SAID, WE
DO NOT THINK OFFICE BUILDINGS SHOULD NOW BECOME DENSE
APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE APPEARED AT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING TO SHOW OPPOSITION
TO HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
THE FIRST POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT THE APPLICANT

PLANNED TO PUT IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
HOWEVER THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR APPROVAL BEFORE YOU TODAY
INCLUDES MULTIPLE OPTIONS, INCLUDING TWO OPTIONS TO
CONSTRUCT HOTELS.
AFFIRM YOU GO THIS PLAN MEANS THAT COUNCIL AGREES TO THESE
USES.
WE DID NOT HEAR COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO OPTIONS,
MUCH LESS TWO OPTIONS FOR HOTELS BUT ONLY APARTMENTS.
THE NEXT POINT IS, AT THE FIRST READING MR. MECHANIK
TESTIFIED THAT CRESCENT PROPERTIES IS PURCHASING THE
PROPERTY FROM HIGHWOODS.
HOW IS DENSITY BASED ON THE TOTAL HIGHWOOD PROJECT OF 6.26
ACRES?
IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT AMOUNT OF LAND IS BEING SOLD TO CRESCENT.
WHAT EXACT ACREAGE FOR GREEN SPACES BEING SOLD TO CRESCENT?
HOW IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION KEEPING THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN
THE FUTURE LAND USE AT 100 DWELLINGS PER ACRE BASED ON THE
CURRENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IT APPEARS THAT THE
PARTS BEING SOLD WILL SURPASS 100 DWELLINGS PER ACRE.
THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITHIN BEACH PARK AND ACROSS THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
THE LAST POINT THAT OUR BOARD IS CONSIDERING IS THE HEIGHT
OF A NINE-STORY BUILDING.
WITH THE PROPOSED NINE STORY BUILDING THAT DWARF OUR
EXISTING STRUCTURES DOES NOT MEET THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF

BEACH PARK BUT ALSO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ITS INTERACTION
WITH TAMPA INTERNATIONAL, TIA.
THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR CONSIDERING
THESE ADDITIONAL POINTS CONCERNING THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND
ONCE AGAIN THANKS TO THE DEVELOPER TO DECREASE THE DENSITY
TO 292.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
THANK YOU.
13:55:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE?
ANYONE ELSE REGISTERED?
13:55:20 >>THE CLERK:
THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
13:55:30 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL JUST BRIEFLY RESPOND.
MR. McCANN IS QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS
COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE REGARDING THE OTHER
DEVELOPMENT OPTION, AND I BELIEVE CATE WELLS TOLD YOU AT OUR
LAST HEARING THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ALL OF THE SCENARIOS APPROVED IN 2018
THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY FOR US TO REESTABLISH THAT
JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS APPLICATION TODAY.
I AM NOT QUITE SURE WHAT POINT MR. McCANN WAS SAYING ABOUT
THE PROPERTY BEING SOLD, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
WHETHER IT'S SOLD FOR ONE PERSON OR TWO OR THREE, ANY
PURCHASER OF THIS LAND IS BOUND BY THE CONDITION OF THE

REZONING APPROVAL.
NOTHING IN ANY WAY WEAKENS OR DIMINISHES OR ELIMINATES ANY
ZONING CONDITION THAT'S PART OF THIS APPROVAL.
SO THE SALE OF PROPERTY HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT COUNCIL WOULD
BE ADOPTING IN THE WAY OF AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
FINALLY, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT HEIGHT.
YOUR STAFF REPORT INDICATES THAT THE PROJECT IS COMPATIBLE
WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, NOTING IN PARTICULAR THAT THERE
ARE TWO EIGHT-STORY CONDO TOWERS ESSENTIALLY ADJACENT TO
THIS PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
THERE IS NO ISSUE REGARDING TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVES, WE CANNOT BUILD
ANY HIGHER HEIGHT THAN WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY THE FAA OR
TAMPA INTERNATIONAL, THAT WOULD ENABLE THE REVIEW PROCESS
AND MAKE THEIR OWN DETERMINATION.
THERE IS NO CONCERN REGARDING TIA HATE LIMIT.
AND WITH THAT WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
13:57:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ANY QUESTIONS?
MOVE TO CLOSE?
MANISCALCO MOVES, MIRANDA SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
WE LEFT OFF WITH MR. VIERA.

ITEM 84, SIR.
THANK YOU.
YOUR TURN, SIR.
13:58:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 5426 BAY CENTER DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OFFICE
BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL HOTEL RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OFFICE BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
MEDICAL HOTEL RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
13:58:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
13:58:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ROLL CALL.
13:58:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
13:59:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
13:59:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
13:59:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
13:59:04 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
13:59:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
13:59:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
13:59:08 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:59:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 85.

13:59:20 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 85 IS FOR CASE NUMBER REZ 21-06.
THIS ALSO IS A SECOND READING FOR THE ADDRESS OF 6008 NORTH
ARMENIA AVENUE, PROPOSED REZONING FROM CI COMMERCIAL
INTENSIVE TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WAREHOUSE.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE CITY CLERK.
AND I AM ALSO HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEED BE.
13:59:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THIS ITEM?
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
13:59:59 >> GERALD McCANTS, I'M THE AGENT.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
GERALD McCANTS, THE AGENT FOR THE OWNER.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE CITY MODIFICATIONS.
14:00:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS?
14:00:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:00:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
14:00:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ANYBODY ELSE?
14:00:25 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE REGISTERED.
14:00:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, CITRO SECOND IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
MR. CARLSON, WOULD YOU READ 85, SIR.

14:00:37 >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE FILE REZ 21-06, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 6008 NORTH
ARMENIA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, WAREHOUSE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:00:55 >> SECOND.
14:00:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO SECOND IT.
ROLL CALL.
14:01:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:01:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:01:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:01:04 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:01:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:01:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:01:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:01:08 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:01:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ITEM 86.
STAFF.
14:01:13 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, GOING OVER AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 86.
CASE NUMBER REZ-20-102.
THIS IS ALSO FOR SECOND READING.

THE ADDRESS IS 3604 WEST IOWA AVENUE.
IT'S A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 TO RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY.
NO SITE PLANS WERE PROVIDED ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S EUCLIDEAN.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEED BE.
14:01:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO BE SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:01:52 >> NO ONE REGISTERED.
14:01:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
APPLICANT?
ALL RIGHT.
WERE YOU SWORN IN?
14:02:00 >> YES, I HAVE.
MY NAME IS BLAKE FRAZIER, I AM THE APPLICANT.
THIS WAS A EUCLIDEAN REZONE SO THERE WERE NO MODIFICATIONS.
BUT I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT
HAVE.
14:02:10 >>LUIS VIERA:

14:02:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYBODY REGISTERED?
14:02:23 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:02:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MIRANDA MOVED SECONDED.
14:02:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND

READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 3604 WEST IOWA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:02:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
14:03:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.
14:03:04 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:03:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:03:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:03:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:03:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO.
14:03:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:03:12 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
14:03:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 87.
STAFF.
14:03:18 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 87, CASE REZ 21-22.
FOR SECOND READING.
THE PROPERTY IS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 804 WEST PARK
AVENUE.
THERE'S A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
THE SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE CITY CLERK AND I'M

AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT NEED BE.
14:03:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ANY QUESTIONS?
14:03:49 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER.
WE HAVE SUPPLIED ALL OF THE CORRECTIONS AS REQUESTED BY THE
CITY STAFF, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
HAVE.
14:04:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS
ITEM?
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYBODY REGISTERED?
14:04:17 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:04:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:04:21 >> SECOND.
14:04:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION CARRIED.
MR. CITRO.
87.
14:04:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FILE NUMBER --
14:04:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER.
14:04:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
FILE REZ 21-22, I WILL MOVE THE
FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 804
WEST PARK AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:05:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
14:05:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.
14:05:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:05:06 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:05:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:05:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:05:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:05:10 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:05:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:05:13 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:05:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 88.
14:05:17 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 88 IS CASE NUMBER REZ 21-26.
THIS IS FOR SECOND READING FOR PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 5001 WEST PRESCOTT STREET.
IT IS A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16 TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY.
THIS IS EUCLIDEAN.
NO SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:05:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
14:05:47 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
YES, SIR.
STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER.
WE MET ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THE STAFF ESTABLISHED AND WE
ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
14:05:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYONE REGISTERED?
14:06:05 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:06:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:06:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA MOVED TO CLOSE.
SECOND?
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANYONE OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
MR. MIRANDA, NUMBER 88.
14:06:21 >> MOVE FILE REZ 21-26, THAN PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF IT 5001 WEST PRESCOTT STREET IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.

14:06:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
14:06:44 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:06:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:06:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:06:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:06:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:06:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:06:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
14:06:52 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH GUDES VOTING NO.
14:06:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
89, STAFF.
14:06:59 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 89, CASE NUMBER REZ 21-33.
THIS IS FOR SECOND READING.
PROPERTY IS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 106 WEST HAMILTON
AVENUE.
THERE'S A PROPOSED REZONING FROM SH-RS AND SH-CG AND SH-PD
TO SH-PD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE OF
RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
SITE PLANS WERE DELIVERED TO CITY CLERK AND I'M AVAILABLE
FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:07:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:07:41 >> NO ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
14:07:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

MOVE TO CLOSE?
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED, MR. MIRANDA SECONDS.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MOTION CARRIED.
MR. VIERA.
14:07:58 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THIS IS, WHAT, 89?
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 106 WEST HAMILTON AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION SH-RS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY SH-CG SEMINOLE HEIGHTS COMMERCIAL
GENERAL AND SH-PD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO
SH-PD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE OF
RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:08:27 >> SECOND.
14:08:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL.
14:08:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:08:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:08:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:08:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:08:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

14:08:37 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:08:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:08:39 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:08:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 90.
STAFF.
14:08:48 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 90, CASE REZ 21-36, WE HAVE A SECOND
READING FOR PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2311 NORTH
RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 TO RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY.
THIS IS EUCLIDEAN.
NO SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:09:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
14:09:24 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:09:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY
MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MR. MANISCALCO.

14:09:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 90.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
2311 NORTH RIVERSIDE DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 630 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO
RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:09:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
SECOND?
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL.
14:09:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:09:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ITEM 91?
14:10:03 >> 90.
14:10:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:10:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:10:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:10:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:10:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:10:13 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
14:10:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 91.
STAFF.
14:10:20 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 91, REZ 21-37 IS THE CASE NUMBER.
SECOND READING FOR THE ADDRESS AT 412 WEST PARK AVENUE.

THERE'S A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16 TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY.
THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:10:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ALL RIGHT.
14:10:48 >> THIS IS JOHN LAROCCA.
14:10:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WERE YOU SWORN IN?
14:10:59 >> YES, I AM.
THANK YOU.
JOHN LAROCCA REPRESENTING OWNER APPLICANT.
THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN DISTRICT.
NO WAIVERS NEEDED.
AND THE SITE SIZE IS SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED
ADDITIONAL UNIT.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT AND APPROVAL FOR SECOND
READING.
14:11:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
14:11:26 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:11:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:11:29 >> IS THIS GENTLEMEN SPEAKING IN THE BACK OF YOU?
14:11:32 >> NO, ONLY IF THERE WERE QUESTIONS ASKED.
14:11:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.

MR. MIRANDA MOVED IT.
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
MR. CARLSON, 91.
14:11:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE REZ 21-37, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 412 WEST PARK AVENUE IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:12:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
14:12:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
14:12:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO.
14:12:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:12:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:12:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:12:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:12:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
14:12:23 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER AND GUDES
VOTING NO AND VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
14:12:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CHIEF, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MORE SO WE

SHOULD GET TO STAFF REPORTS SHORTLY.
ITEM 92.
14:12:38 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 92, CASE NUMBER REZ 21-39.
THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 201, 205 AND 207
SOUTH ARMENIA AVENUE AND 2506 WEST CLEVELAND STREET IN THE
CITY -- A PROPOSED REZONING FROM PD TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
THE SITE PLANS WERE TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:13:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT ON THE SCREEN?
14:13:18 >>DAVID MECHANIK:
DAVID MECHANIK HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
APPLICANT.
I HAVE MR. JACOB EGAN HERE TONIGHT.
OR THIS AFTERNOON.
WE ALSO HAVE OUR WHOLE DEVELOPMENT TEAM ONLINE.
AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO PRESENT THIS AFTERNOON.
14:13:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYBODY REGISTERED ON THIS ITEM?
14:13:52 >> NO ONE HAS REGISTERED.
14:13:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.

14:13:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
14:13:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MR. CITRO.
NUMBER 92.
14:14:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REZ 21-39 AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 201, 205 AND 207 SOUTH ARMENIA AVENUE
AND 2506 WEST CLEVELAND STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
14:14:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SECOND.
14:14:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:14:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:14:47 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:14:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:14:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:14:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:14:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:14:53 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:14:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 93, STAFF.

14:15:00 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ITEM NUMBER 93, CASE REZ 21-40.
THIS IS FOR SECOND READING FOR PROPERTY AT 7300 SOUTH SWOOPE
STREET.
THIS PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS 350 TO IG INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN SO NO SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED.
BUT I AM HERE FOR QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:15:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
14:15:33 >> APPLICANT, REPRESENTATIVE.
I NEED TO SWEAR IN.
14:15:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK THEY WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
14:15:47 >>THE CLERK:
SORRY.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK INTUITIVE TO SWEAR IN TO SAY I
HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
14:15:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN, MA'AM?
14:15:57 >>JAIME MAIER:
NO, I AM WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M JAIME MAIER FOR THE APPLICANT.
14:16:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
CITRO MOVED TO CLOSE, MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR.
MOTION CARRIED.
MR. DINGFELDER, ITEM 93, SIR.

14:16:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WILL MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE
REGARDING REZ 21-40, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 7300
SOUTH SWOOPE STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO IG
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:16:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
14:16:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:16:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:16:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:16:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:16:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:16:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:16:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:16:57 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:16:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STAFF, ITEM 94.
14:17:03 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 94, CASE SU-2-21-02.
IS A SECOND READING.
APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR A DRIVE-IN WINDOW
AT THE PROPERTY AT 3615 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD.
THE SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY CLERK AND I AM HERE
FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:17:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN, SIR?
14:17:30 >> YES, I HAVE.
MICHAEL LEADS, SIDEWALK PROPERTIES, BAY CENTER DRIVE.
I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
THANK YOU.
14:17:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYBODY REGISTERED?
14:17:46 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:17:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE BY MIRANDA, CITRO SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MR. MIRANDA.
14:17:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE SU-2-21-02.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 APPROVING A
DRIVE-IN WINDOW IN A CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3615 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 HEREOF, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:18:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
14:18:21 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:18:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

14:18:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:18:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:18:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:18:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:18:29 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:18:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STAFF ON 95.
14:18:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
FOR ITEM NUMBER 95.
14:18:41 >> I'M PRESENTING VAC 20-17.
IT'S BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING A
PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH OF
KNOLLWOOD, NORTH OF FORD STREET, EAST OF THE DIXON AVENUE
AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE, AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS.
14:19:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
SECOND FLOOR?
ANYBODY REGISTERED?
MR. MIRANDA MAKES THE MOTION TO CLOSE, MR. CITRO SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MOTION CARRIED.
I BELIEVE WE ARE BACK TO MR. VIERA.
14:19:32 >>LUIS VIERA:
I THINK 95.

I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING,
ABANDONING A PORTION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH
OF KNOLLWOOD STREET NORTH OF FORD STREET EAST OF DIXON
STREET AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF AVALON
HEIGHTS, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT
TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS,A CONDITIONS AND
RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:20:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
14:20:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:20:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:20:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:20:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
14:20:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:20:18 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:20:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:20:20 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
14:20:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STAFF ON NUMBER 96.
14:20:28 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 96 ON THE AGENDA, CASE AB 2-21-12, FOR SECOND READING
FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES
FOR SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.

THIS IS FOR BEER AND WINE LOCATED AT 5023 NORTH FLORIDA
AVENUE.
SITE PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY CLERK AND I'M HERE
FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:20:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
WERE YOU SWORN IN?
14:21:08 >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
14:21:14 >> YES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
14:21:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STATE YOUR NAME FOR US.
14:21:37 >> KENDRA CONNOLLY.
14:21:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
IS ANYONE ELSE REGISTERED BACK THERE?
14:21:44 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:21:45 >> THIS IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER.
14:21:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DOES SHE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM,
MA'AM?
14:21:54 >> I DON'T SEE HER VIDEO POPPING UP.
I THINK I HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS SHE DOES.
I DON'T SEE HER POPPING UP.
14:22:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY MIRANDA, SECOND BY
MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
14:22:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK THIS IS THE ONE WHERE SHE THREW
HER HUSBAND OUT OF THE SCREEN.
NOW SHE'S JUST SHOWING UP.
14:22:18 >> OH, YOU ARE RIGHT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
14:22:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I SEE HIM PEEKING THERE.
THERE HE IS.
14:22:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
MR. MANISCALCO, CAN YOU READ THIS?
14:22:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AN ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2
FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES IN PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND
MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FROM THAT CERTAIN
LOT, PLOT, TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 5023 NORTH FLORIDA
AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
14:22:57 >> SECOND.
14:23:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
14:23:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

14:23:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:23:04 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:23:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:23:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:23:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
14:23:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:23:14 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
14:23:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STAFF ON 97.
14:23:22 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 97.
CASE AB 2-21-09.
IT'S FOR SECOND READING FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
IT'S FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AND THE LOCATION IS 3225
SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE UNIT 103, AND 105.
THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY CLERK AND I AM
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:23:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TO BE SPEAK ON IT?
14:23:57 >>JAIME MAIER:
101 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD HERE IF THERE ARE
ANY QUESTIONS.
14:24:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN ALREADY.
14:24:05 >>JAIME MAIER:
YES.
14:24:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

14:24:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:24:13 >>THE CLERK:
ANYBODY REGISTERED?
NO ONE REGISTERED.
14:24:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. CARLSON.
14:24:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE FILE 97, RIGHT?
FILE NUMBER AB 2-21-09.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES
AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL
THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT BEER,
WINE AND LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
LOCATED AT 3225 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE UNIT 103 AND 1075
TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3
PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2013-100
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:25:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
14:25:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
14:25:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:25:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

14:25:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
14:25:18 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:25:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
14:25:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:25:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:25:23 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
14:25:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE MOVED NUMBER 98 BEFORE LUNCH.
OUR LAST ITEM IS 99, STAFF.
14:25:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I GUESS I SUGGESTED TO DEFER 99 BECAUSE
THAT'S A TYPICAL HEARING, MIGHT TAKE ANOTHER HALF HOUR.
WE HAVE THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
THIS ISN'T JUST A SECOND READING.
14:25:51 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THE PETITIONER IS PRESENT DOWNSTAIRS ON THE SECOND FLOOR
ALONG WITH MR. COTTON IS PRESENT FOR STAFF.
14:26:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS NOT A SECOND READING.
14:26:07 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THIS IS NOT A SECOND READING.
THIS IS A REVIEW HEARING.
14:26:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD RATHER WAIT AND GET STAFF OUT OF
HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
CHIEF BENNETT, YOU ARE UP.
ITEM NUMBER 100, SIR.
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.

14:26:31 >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHIEF OF STAFF.
NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES, IN LIEU OF THE LONG AGENDA
TONIGHT.
14:26:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER 5 UNDER CONSENT AGENDA.
14:26:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
I AM GOING TO PASS OUT -- I ACTUALLY DID MAKE A CHANGE TO
THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING,
AND I HAVE CREATED ALSO KIND OF WHAT I WOULD CALL AN ERRATA
SHEET EXPLAINING WHAT THE CHANGES BASICALLY, IT WAS ONE
REALLY LONG RUN-ON SENTENCE AND I BROKE IT OUT.
I DIDN'T CHANGE THE CONTEXT OF IT AT ALL.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT OUT.
14:27:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, THE REASON I PULLED THIS,
SOMETIMES WE READ BUT DON'T UNDERSTAND, SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC
DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT, SO LEGAL CAN TELL US WHAT IT REALLY
GIVES THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING OR
WILL NOT BE PROPOSING TO DO THIS AFTERNOON.
14:28:12 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR HANDING THESE OUT.
SO BASICALLY, AS I EXPLAINED, I SENT YOU ALL A MEMO THAT I
HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THIS.
THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE IN THIS LAST SESSION ADOPTED SENATE
BILL 2006 WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED CHAPTER 252 WHICH IS

THE FLORIDA EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SECTION OF THE FLORIDA
STATUTES.
AND JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, CHAPTER 252 IS AGAIN THE
STATE CHAPTER THAT GOVERNS ALL EMERGENCIES IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA.
IT THEN, WITHIN THAT CHAPTER, DELEGATES CERTAIN AUTHORITY TO
LOCAL POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS, SO ALL THE EMERGENCY POWERS
THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS DERIVE FROM THE STATE.
AND THEN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE HAVE CODIFIED OUR
EMERGENCY POWERS IN CHAPTER 2 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
NOW, BECAUSE THE STATE STATUTE SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED THOSE
EMERGENCY POWERS THIS YEAR, PRIMARILY IN RESPONSE TO THE
COVID PANDEMIC, WE THEN AGAIN HAVE TO AMEND OUR CITY CODE
TO -- OR WE HAVE TO AMEND OUR CITY CODE TO MAKE IT
CONSISTENT.
AS I EXPLAINED IN MY MEMO, PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT
THING THAT THE LEGISLATURE DID WAS REDEFINE THE WORD
EMERGENCY ORDERS TO BASICALLY CREATE THREE CATEGORIES OF
STATES OF EMERGENCY.
ONE IS THE OBVIOUS, HURRICANE OR OTHER WEATHER RELATED
EMERGENCY.
THE OTHER IS A NON-HURRICANE EMERGENCY, CHEMICAL SPILL, A
PANDEMIC, WHATEVER, WHERE IN YOUR DECLARATION OF THAT STATE
OF EMERGENCY YOU NOT IMPAIR THE INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES OR
RIGHTS, OR THE RIGHTS OR LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR

BUSINESSES.
I AM USE THE LEGISLATURE'S WORDS.
AND THEN THE FINAL CATEGORY, WHICH IS A NEW CATEGORY, THEY
CREATED, IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC, WHERE AS WE KNOW,
TALLAHASSEE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT SOME OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
DID IN TERMS OF MASK ORDERS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AND
SHUTTING BUSINESSES DOWN, SO THEY HAVE A THIRD CATEGORY OF
EMERGENCY NOW WHERE IT'S AN ORDER THAT DECLARES A STATE OF
EMERGENCY, AND PUTS LIMITS ON INDIVIDUAL -- THE RIGHTS OR
LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES.
AND THEY SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTENED THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT AN
ORDER LIKE THAT CAN STAY IN EFFECT.
AND THEY HAVE ALSO CHANGED THE PROCESS BY WHICH AN ORDER
SUCH AS THAT CAN BE EXTENDED.
SO, AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE DRAFTED THESE AMENDMENT TO THE
CODE TO CODIFY THAT.
A COUPLE OF OTHER CHANGES, THEY ADDED LANGUAGE ABOUT HAVING
ON THE HOME PAGE OF THE CITY WEBSITE A LINK TO ALL OUR
EMERGENCY ORDERS, LIKE WORKING WITH OUR WEBSITE STAFF AND
THEY HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE IN CREATING THAT.
THE FINAL THING OF SIGNIFICANCE IN THIS ORDINANCE IS OUR
CITY HAS SOMETHING CALLED CERT,P COMMUNITY RESPONSE TEAM,
AND FOR CITIZENS TO RESPOND IN EMERGENCIES, AND IT ACTUALLY
ALLOWS THE VOLUNTEERS TO ACT ALMOST IN PLACE OF CITY FIRST
RESPONDERS IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY WHEN A FIRST

RESPONDER CAN'T GET THERE.
OUR CITY EMERGENCY STAFF QUANTITIES TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT
CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECKS OF THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD SERVE
MEMBERS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE WORK THEY ARE DOING,
AND BY FLORIDA STATUTE, IN ORDER TO REQUIRE THOSE CHECKS, WE
HAVE TO ADOPT THAT REQUIREMENT BY ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THERE.
SO WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, THE ERRATA SHEET I GAVE YOU GOES TO SECTION
2-402-B-1 WHERE ORIGINALLY I HAD WRITTEN OUT AS ONE SINGLE
PARAGRAPH AND I KIND OF BROKE IT OUT INTO SUBSECTIONS TO
MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
SO IS THAT CLEAR?
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
14:33:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WAS LOOKING AT ONE SPECIFIC SPOT ON 3
GOING INTO 4.
14:33:46 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION?
14:33:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SAW SOMETHING ON PAGE 4, FROM 3, AND I
WAS JUST REREADING IT.
14:34:00 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YES, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT. IN SECTION
2-403, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT CODE, WE HAD SOME
OF THE ITEMS THAT THE STATUTES HAD DELEGATED TO THE MAYOR,
SOME OF THE POWERS.
SOME HAD INADVERTENTLY NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN OUR CITY CODE.
SO THOSE ADDED PARAGRAPHS UNDER SECTION 2-403 ARE LITERALLY

VERBATIM FROM THE STATE STATUTE, JUST PLUGGED INTO OUR CODE.
I MEAN, TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THAT POWER
BY STATE STATUTE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO INCLUDE IN
THE OUR CODE, BUT SINCE WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME OF THE OTHER
POWERS, I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO INCLUDE THOSE IN OUR CODE
AS WELL.
14:34:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
EXPLAIN SECTION D ON PAGE 4, MS. ZELMAN.
14:34:49 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
D ON PAGE 4.
SO D ON PAGE 4 IS IN THE CURRENT CODE.
THE ONLY CHANGE WE MADE IS TO REFER TO THE NEW KIND OF
EMERGENCY ORDER THAT HAS A SEPARATE PROCEDURE.
LET ME EXPLAIN D.
SO D IS HOW EMERGENCIES CURRENTLY WORK.
AND THAT IS, THE MAYOR DECLARES A STATE OF EMERGENCY, UNDER
STATE STATUTE, EVERY LOCAL EMERGENCY HAS A DURATION OF NO
MORE THAN SEVEN DAYS.
IT HAS TO BE RENEWED EVERY SEVEN DAYS.
AS WAS TRUE WITH COVID, AND IS STILL TRUE, AS LONG AS THERE
IS A STATE OR FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY STILL IN EFFECT,
THE MAYOR CAN CONTINUE TO RENEW THOSE EVERY SEVEN DAYS
WITHOUT BRINGING IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
HOWEVER, IF THERE ISN'T A STATE OR FEDERAL STATE OF
EMERGENCY IN EFFECT, AND MORE THAN 30 DAYS HAVE PASSED, THAT
THE MAYOR AND THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING HAS TO BRING THE
MATTER TO CITY COUNCIL, CONVINCE YOU ALL THAT EMERGENCY

CONDITIONS CONTINUE, AT WHICH TIME IF YOU ALL VOTE TO AGREE,
THEN THE MAYOR CAN CONTINUE TO EXTEND IT EVERY SEVEN DAYS
WITHOUT BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL.
IF YOU DISAPPROVE, THEN SHE CANNOT.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE REASON FOR THAT, THERE ARE
SEVERAL REASONS.
ONE IS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THE ENACTMENT, THE DECLARATION OF
A STATE OF EMERGENCY DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN AT THE MOST
CONVENIENT TIME.
THE TROPICAL STORM ELSA ONE, I CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST,
HAPPENED ON A SUNDAY, FEDERAL HOLD JULY 4th AND MANY OF
US HAVE H TO JUMP INTO ACTION, GET THE MAYOR TO SIGN IT, GET
IT DISTRIBUTED.
HAD THAT STORM ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND WHO H WE NEEDED TO
EXTEND IT, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE EXTENDED THE FOLLOWING
SUNDAY, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING SUNDAY AFTER THAT.
SO IT ISN'T ALWAYS CONVENIENT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONVENE
AND BOTH ENACT AN ORDER AND EXTEND IT.
AND, IN FACT, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SIMILARLY, EVEN THOUGH
THEIR MODEL OF GOVERNMENT IS DIFFERENT, AND TYPICALLY ANY
ACTIONS TAKEN BY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ARE TAKEN BY THE BOARD,
THEY DELEGATED TO THEIR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BONNIE WHITE
THE ABILITY TO ISSUE DECLARATIONS OF STATES OF EMERGENCY AND
ALSO TO EXTEND THEM.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN THAT WAY.

ALSO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, CITY COUNCIL ISN'T HERE EVERY
SEVEN DAYS.
YOU ARE NOT HERE NECESSARILY -- I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST
JULY MEETING.
IN AUGUST YOU HAVE THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES BREAK.
IN JUNE YOU WERE AWAY FOR TWO WEEKS.
AND THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS, WHATEVER.
SO IT REALLY ISN'T PRACTICAL.
AND AGAIN I THINK THAT'S WHY ALTHOUGH THE GOVERNMENT, LIKE
THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY I GAVE YOU, DELEGATES TO AN
INDIVIDUAL RATHER THAN REQUIRING THE BODY TO COME TOGETHER
TO EXTEND THE STATE OF EMERGENCY.
NOW, AGAIN, IF THERE WASN'T, LIKE IN THIS CASE WITH COVID,
WE STILL HAVE THE COVID ORDER IN EFFECT.
BECAUSE THERE IS A FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY, WE HAVEN'T
HAD TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AN EXTENSION, EVEN
THOUGH THE STATE'S STATE OF EMERGENCY HAS EXPIRED.
14:38:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE COUNTY?
I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS WORKED -- WE HAVE THAT BOARD.
THE COUNTY HAS BEEN TAKEN THE MOVE.
DOES THAT SUPERSEDE US HERE?
14:38:44 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE, IF YOU WILL.
THE COUNTY DID -- YOU ARE RIGHT, USED TO HAVE THAT EMERGENCY
POWER GROUP AND THEY DISBANDED IT.
SO NOW THEY ARE OPERATING SOLO, JUST AS WE ARE.

BUT AS I SAID, THEY HAVE DELEGATED, THE BOARD HAS DELEGATED
THE AUTHORITY TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ISSUE THESE
ORDERS AND TO EXTEND THEM AS WELL.
AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE IS NONE OF THIS
OBVIOUSLY -- IT'S DONE FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES.
IT'S DONE BECAUSE EMERGENCIES AGAIN DON'T HAPPEN ON
CONVENIENT SCHEDULES, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE QUICK
ACTION.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY -- THINK BACK TO THE FIRST TWO MONTHS
OF THE PANDEMIC.
THIS COUNCIL DIDN'T MEET.
IT WASN'T SAFE TO BRING YOU ALL INTO CHAMBERS TO ENLIST THE
SERVICES OF THE CLERK, TO GIVE NOTICE, TO HAVE CTTV HERE,
WHATEVER, HAD WE HAD TO DO THAT EVERY SEVEN DAYS TO EXTEND
THE ORDER.
IT JUST WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PRACTICAL.
BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE
TAKEN -- THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS TAKEN SIGNIFICANT MEASURES
TO KEEP COUNCIL IN THE LOOP.
I MEAN, THIS PANDEMIC, OF COURSE, IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME
EVENT.
BUT IF YOU REMEMBER BACK AT THE BEGINNING, CHIEF BENNETT
ACTUALLY DEVISED A PROCESS WHEREBY WE PROVIDED COUNCIL, WE
CREATED AN AGENDA AS IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A COUNCIL
MEETING, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE CANCELED, WE GAVE COUNCIL THE

OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EVERY ITEM ON THE AGENDA, EVERY
CONTRACT, EVERY AGREEMENT THAT WAS TO BE APPROVED, AND GAVE
YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL ITEMS, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY
UNDER THE MAYOR'S EMERGENCY POWERS, SHE CAN ENTER INTO
CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY WITHOUT
YOUR APPROVAL.
AND THEN ALSO -- AND THIS IS SOMETHING PERSONAL TO ME, YOU
KNOW, EVERY WEEK, WHEN WE EITHER REVISE THE EMERGENCY ORDER,
DRAFTED NEW ONES, RECEIVED EMERGENCY ORDERS FROM THE
GOVERNOR, WE HAVE SENT EVERY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL A COPY
OF THAT, AS SOON AS THE MAYOR SIGNED IT OR AS SOON AS WE
RECEIVED IT FROM THE GOVERNOR, SISTERS-IN-LAW 8:00, 9:00 AT
NIGHT, WITH AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE ORDER MEANT, AND THEN
THE IMPACT ON THE CITY.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK UPON OURSELVES BECAUSE
WE WANTED TO KEEP EVERYONE IN THE LOOP.
I THINK APPROXIMATELY 300 TOTAL ORDERS THAT CAME OUT BETWEEN
THE STATE AND US DURING THIS COVID PANDEMIC.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOTHING WAS EVER INTENDED.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING WE DID WAS INTENDED TO KEEP CITY COUNCIL
IN THE LOOP ON THESE MATTERS.
AS YOU KNOW, I AM ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT
OUR ORDERS AS IS EVERYONE ELSE IN OUR OFFICE.
14:41:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER WAS FIRST.
YOU SAW HIS HAND UP FIRST.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
14:41:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I GUESS ANDREA, I AGREE WITH YOU AND
YOUR TEAM HAVE BEEN VERY FORTHRIGHT IN KEEPING US POSTED.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I GUESS WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS THE SUBSECTION 2 AT THE
BOTTOM SPEAKS TO FOR A TOTAL DURATION OF NOT MORE THAN 42
DAYS, I GUESS SIX WEEKS.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ARE ADDING THERE?
14:42:12 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
SO AGAIN, THAT WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF SENATE
BILL 2006, WHICH CREATED THIS NEW CATEGORY OF EMERGENCY
ORDER, WHERE IT'S AN ORDER ISSUED, OR DECLARATION OF STATE
OF EMERGENCY ISSUED IN RESPONSE TO A NON-WEATHER EVENT,
AND -- AND THIS IS CRITICAL -- AND THE DECLARATION LIMITS
THE RIGHTS OR LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES IN THE
CITY.
AND UNDER THE NEW STATE STATUTE, AN ORDER LIKE THAT, AND THE
EXAMPLE THAT WOULD COME TO MIND WOULD BE FACE MASK ORDER, OR
THE ORDER THAT WE HAVE TO STAY AT HOME ORDER AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC, THOSE CAN HAVE A DURATION OF NO
LONGER THAN 42 DAYS, AND THOSE ORDERS, THE INITIAL ORDER CAN
BE ISSUED BY THE MAYOR, BUT EVERY EXTENSION THEREOF HAS TO
COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND BE VOTED ON BY A MAJORITY OF CITY
COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S AGAIN THE NEW UNIQUE DISTINCTION THAT THE STATE
CREATED JUST FOR THOSE ORDERS.

AND WHEN YOU READ THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY, I MEAN, CLEARLY
WHAT THEY WERE REACTING TO WAS THE PANDEMIC AND THE FACT
THAT TALLAHASSEE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WERE
DOING IN THAT REGARD.
THEY DIDN'T LIKE US SHUTTING DOWN BUSINESSES, THEY DIDN'T
LIKE THE STAY AT HOME, THEY DIDN'T LIKE FACE MASKS, SO ON
AND SO FORTH.
14:43:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I GUESS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE YOU
PULLING THIS, BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT I AM THINKING IS, I
TOTALLY AGREE THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE AUTHORITY TORE DECLARE A
STATE OF EMERGENCY, UNILATERALLY, LET'S SAY IT'S A STORM
EVENT, AND DO THAT BY HERSELF WITHOUT COUNCIL, BECAUSE OFTEN
WE CAN'T MEET THAT QUICKLY AND THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN
RAPIDLY.
BUT MS. ZELMAN, I WOULD SAY THAT WITHIN X NUMBER OF DAYS,
LET'S SAY 14 DAYS OR 21 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THIS
LOCAL EMERGENCY IS GOING TO CONTINUE, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE
SHOULD INCLUDE, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO UNDER STATE
STATUTE, AND IT APPEARS THAT WE DO, THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE
OURSELVES IN THAT DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AFTER A CERTAIN
REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME.
I WOULD HOPE THAT AFTER 14 OR 21 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REGROUP AND MEET AS A BODY AND
AFFIRM THE MAYOR'S CONCLUSION THAT THE STATE OF EMERGENCY
NEEDS TO CONTINUE.

14:45:04 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WELL, IF I MAY, THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN SUBSECTION D OF 2-402.
14:45:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I AM NOT SEEING THAT IN THE PROPOSED D.
14:45:17 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WELL, LOOK AT THE TOP OF PAGE --
14:45:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DON'T HAVE THE ENTIRE 2.402 IN FRONT
OF ME.
ALL I HAVE IS ONE PAGE.
14:45:28 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
DO YOU NOT HAVE THE ORDINANCE AS WELL?
LOOK AT PAGE 4.
14:45:32 >>: OKAY, WAIT.
MAYBE I DO.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE OLD VERSION.
14:45:39 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THE ERRATA SHEET WAS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE
ONE PAGE BECAUSE I BROKE OUT A VERY LONG RUN-ON PARAGRAPH.
14:45:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I GUESS I AM LOOKING AT THE B SECTION.
IS THAT PAGE 4, PAGE 5?
14:45:53 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
B IS ON PAGE 3.
14:45:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
AND DOES THAT INCLUDE THE -- DOES B-1 INCLUDE --
14:46:08 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
SO B-1 IS WEATHER EMERGENCIES OR
NON-WEATHER EMERGENCIES THAT DO NOT LIMIT THE RIGHTS OR
LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
14:46:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
RIGHT.
14:46:23 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
NOW, IF YOU GO TO SECTION D ON PAGE 4 --

14:46:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I SORT OF REMEMBER THIS FROM TWO YEARS
AGO.
14:46:33 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YES, YOU ASKED US THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF
THE PANDEMIC.
SO AGAIN, SO WE HAVE A WEATHER EMERGENCY, OR WE HAVE A
NON-WEATHER EMERGENCY WHERE WE HAVE ISSUED A STATE OF
EMERGENCY BUT WE ARE NOT IMPAIRING ANY INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OR
LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES.
I APOLOGIZE.
IN THAT CASE, THE ORDER CAN STAY IN EFFECT NO LONGER THAN 30
DAYS, IN THE ABSENCE OF A STATE OR FEDERAL EMERGENCY WITHOUT
IT HAVING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
IF THERE'S A STATE OR FEDERAL EMERGENCY IN EFFECT IT DOES
NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THE MAYOR CHOSE TO KEEP A LOCAL STATE
OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT IN THE ABSENCE OF A STATE OR FEDERAL
ONE, AFTER 30 DAYS, SHE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO
COUNCIL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CAUTION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
CRITICISMS OF THE STATE STATUTE IS THAT IT WAS KIND OF A
NECESSITY JERK REACTION TO WHAT WE HOPE IS A
ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME PANDEMIC.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN ANY OF OUR LIFE
TIMES WHERE WE HAD A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT FOR LONGER
THAN, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS OR FEW MONTHS AND MAYBE FOR --

14:47:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS
OF COVID? IS THERE STILL A STATE AND FEDERAL EMERGENCY IN
PLACE?
14:48:02 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THERE IS NO STATEWIDE STATE OF EMERGENCY
IN PLACE.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A FEDERAL ONE.
THERE'S ONE ISSUED BY THE PRESIDENT AND ONE ISSUED BY THE
SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND WE STILL HAVE A
LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT.
I BELIEVE I SENT YOU A COPY OF IT YESTERDAY.
AND WE ARE VERY CLEAR IN IT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE
DOING IT FOR ONE PURPOSE, AND THAT IS WE ARE KEEPING A STATE
OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT SO THAT IF WE HAVE TO TAKE MONEYS,
MITIGATED ACTIONS, PROTECTIVE ACTION IF WE HAD TO RESPOND TO
AN EMERGENCY SUCH AS WHAT HAPPENED IN MANATEE COUNTY WHERE
THEY HAD A BREAKOUT IN THEIR I.T. DEPARTMENT, THE CITY COULD
SPEND MONEY, AND THEN BE REIMBURSED BY FEMA, AND IT WAS
ACTUALLY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THAT
RECOMMENDED TO OUR EMERGENCY FOLKS THAT WE KEEP OUR ORDER IN
EFFECT FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE MANATEE COUNTY LET THEIR
LOCAL ONE LAPSE, AND WHEN THAT IN THEIR I.T. DEPARTMENT THEY
HAD TO SPEND SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEY CAN'T
SEEK FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A
STATE OF NEW JERSEY EFFECT ACCORDING TO WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
14:49:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

I THINK BASED UPON D, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
14:49:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
14:49:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION BUT I WOULD
LIKE TO SAY BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP,
THE LEM DEPARTMENT'S HELP IN KEEPING US INFORMED.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE SAY I APPRECIATE CHIEF BENNETT'S HELP IN
GUIDING US THROUGH THIS UNPRECEDENTED PROCESS, AND ALSO THE
MAYOR, AND ALL THE OTHER STAFF, THE TECHNICAL STAFF AND
EVERYONE WHO HELPED US THROUGH THIS.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMUNICATION AND AT ANY TIME
COORDINATION, COLLABORATION BEHIND THE SCENE.
SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
14:50:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THANK YOU.
14:50:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE, GENTLEMEN?
AND THIS IS PULLED SO COUNCIL UNDERSTAND IT IS POLICIES AND
PROCEDURE THAT THIS BOARD AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AND
CITIZENS UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS, SO IF WE HAVE A STATE,
FEDERAL SITUATION GOING ON.
JUST LIKE NOW, WE ARE GOING UNDER A FEDERAL EXECUTIVE ORDER,
FOR DOLLARS, OF COURSE.
SO I AM SATISFIED AT THIS POINT WITH THE EXPLANATION.
WE CAN PROCEED ON.
14:50:40 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THANK YOU.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST.
14:50:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS IS FOR FIRST READING, CORRECT?

14:50:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. ZELMAN IS PROVIDING THE CLERK WITH THE
SUBSTITUTE, SO I ASK WHOEVER READS THE TITLE, I BELIEVE THE
TITLE IS THE SAME, MRS. MS. ZELMAN?
14:51:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YES.
14:51:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO WHOEVER READS THE TITLE WOULD MOVE THE
SUBSTITUTE.
14:51:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M SORRY, MR. SHELBY, ARE YOU SATISFIED
WITH IT, SIR?
14:51:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.
AND JUST A REMINDER TO COUNCIL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE COMING
BACK FOR SECOND READING AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
14:51:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, DO YOU WANT TO READ IT?
14:51:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
2021-AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 7, CIVIL EMERGENCIES, IN ORDER
TO INCORPORATE LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 252 FLORIDA
STATUTES AND THE REQUIRED STATE AND NATIONAL CRIMINAL
HISTORY SCREENING OF COMMUNITY -- COMMUNITY EMERGENCY
RESPONSE TEAM TO FULFILL PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:51:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
14:51:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.
14:51:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
14:51:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
14:51:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

14:52:00 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
14:52:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
14:52:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
14:52:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
14:52:05 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 5th,
2021 AT 9:30.
14:52:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ITEM HE 16 UPPED CONSENT.
14:52:22 >> SUNSET CHIEF LEE BERCAW.
I AM EXCITED TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE UPDATES OF THE MENTAL
HEALTH UNIT AND ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT.
SO ON BEHALF OF CHIEF DUGAN AND SUPPORT WHEREVER THE
ADMINISTRATION AND MAYOR CASTOR WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY IN
OUR PROGRAM, AND WE ARE EAGER TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
IF YOU RECALL IN OUR LAST UPDATE WE SPOKE ABOUT WHAT MAKES
OUR PLANNING THE PROGRAM SET APART FROM OTHERS.
AND IT'S THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE COLLABORATION THAT WE DID
TO DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE SOLICITED AND WE SOLICITED THE MENTAL HEALTH
EXPERTS FROM THIS COMMUNITY.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN OUR PARTNERS ARE BAYCARE, USF,
CRISIS CENTER, ACTS, NORTH SIDE, DACCO, GRACE POINT, ALL

WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
USF, BAYCARE AND CRISIS CENTER STOOD OUT.
BAYCARE, GAYLE RYDER WORKED WITH US AND TOOK THE LEAD WHEN
NOBODY RESPONDED TO OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
AND WE PARTNERED WITH DR. KATHLEEN MOORE FROM USF AND CLAIRE
REYNOLDS FROM THE CRISIS CENTER WHO WORKED WITH US BEHIND
THE SCENES TO DEVELOP THE MEETINGS AND FOCUS GROUPS TO
ESTABLISH WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE
FORWARD.
ON OUR TPD TEAM I HAVE SEVERAL TODAY AND THEY WILL BE
SPEAKING.
BUT LIEUTENANT ROJKA IS WITH US, DETECTIVE TONY COULDN'T BE
WITH US TODAY AND WE HAVE OUR NEW HIRE DR. KATHY THOMPSON
WHO WILL BE SPEAKING TO YOU SHORTLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE LIEUTENANT ROJKA TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE
PROCESS AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
14:54:27 >> LIEUTENANT KERT ROJKA.
AS THE CHIEF SAID WE DID PARTNER WITH WHO YOU HAVE BEFORE
YOU IN YOUR PowerPoint PRESENTATION BUT WE RESEARCHED
ACROSS THE NATION AND REACHED OUT TO NUMEROUS AGENCIES TO
SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING, TO SEE WHAT WORKED, SOME OF THE
CHALLENGES, AND WHEREIN WE CAN APPROVE, AND WE BELIEVE WE
CAME UP WITH A GOOD PLAN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT WILL CONSIST OF MYSELF AND THE TEAM COORDINATOR.
IN ADDITION WE WILL HAVE FOUR CASE MANAGERS, FOUR FIELD

CLINICIANS AND FOUR OFFICERS.
THE CLINICIANS WILL COME FROM ACTS, AND THEY WILL RESPOND TO
BE CALLS TO SERVICE RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH TYPE CALLS.
IN ADDITION WE WILL HAVE FOUR CASE MANAGERS WILL BE EMBEDDED
INSIDE THE FOUR MAJOR PROVIDERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, NORTH
SIDE, DACCO, GRACE POINT, ACTS.
SO THE PROGRAM CALLS FOR THIS.
OBVIOUSLY OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL IS LINK PEOPLE IN CRISIS WITH
THE APPROPRIATE SERVICES.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE
GETTING PEOPLE CONNECTED IN A TIMELY FASHION TO THE SERVICES
THAT THEY NEED, SO THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNED JUST TO DO THAT,
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CASE MANAGEMENT IN EACH ONE OF THE
FACILITIES.
ALSO WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING SERVICES AS RELATES TO
MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE
KNOW THAT MENTAL HEALTH HAS AN ISSUE, DEPENDENCY, SOME SORT
OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE DEPENDENCY.
SO WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, THE TEAMS WILL BE RESPONDING OUT TO THE CALLS FOR
SERVICE, MENTAL HEALTH AND THE CLINICIANS WILL BE TAKING THE
LEAD ON THESE CALLS AND THE POLICE WILL BE THEREBY TO MAKE
SURE EVERYTHING STAYS IN A SAFE MANNER, AND BE THERE TO
SUPPORT THE CLINICIAN AS NECESSARY.
OUR AGREEMENTS WITH THE ACTS, AGAIN, ACTS IS GOING TO BE THE

ONE WHO IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE CLINICIAN, EXECUTE A
CONTRACT FOR US.
THIS IS A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT.
AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS TO US BY
WAY OF THE FIELD CLINICIANS.
SCOPE OF WORK WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
AGAIN THERE WILL BE THE AGENCY FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM, AND
THEY WILL PROVIDE WITHIN THEIR FACILITY ONE CASE MANAGER.
AND SO LIKE I SAID, EACH AGENCY WILL HAVE A CASE MANAGER
THAT WE CAN REFER PEOPLE DIRECTLY TO, BASED ON THE ISSUES
THEY ARE HAVING TO GET THEM THE APPROPRIATE TREATMENT.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU DR. KATHY
THOMPSON WHO IS OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COORDINATOR.
SHE WILL BE OVERSEEING THE DEVELOPMENT PIECE OF OUR UNIT.
SO DOCTOR.
14:57:22 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS KATHY THOMPSON.
MY PH.D. IS IN COUNSELOR SUPERVISION.
I AM ALSO A LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR HERE IN THE
STATE OF FLORIDA.
ADDITIONALLY A NATIONAL CERTIFIED COUNSELOR AND CERTIFIED
CLINICAL PROFESSIONAL.
SO WITH THOSE CREDENTIALS, I ALSO HAVE OVER 17 YEARS
EXPERIENCE WORKING AND SERVING THOSE SERVICES, CHILDREN,
FAMILIES, PREDOMINANT LIP IN ANOTHER CIRCUIT, BUT JUST NEXT

DOOR OVER IN POLK AND HARDEE COUNTY.
SOME OF MY DUTIES ARE BEFORE YOU.
SO I WILL BE CONSIDERED THE SUBJECT MATTER ON MENTAL HEALTH.
AGAIN, NO ONE CAN BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE, SO I AM
EXCITED AND HONORED TO PARTNER WITH TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
TO BETTER SERVE AND CONNECT OUR CITIZENS WITH THE SERVICES
THAT THEY TRULY NEED.
SPECIFICALLY I WILL BE OVERSEEING THE FIELD CLINICIANS.
I WILL BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR
BEHAVIOR PROVIDERS.
A LOT OF DATA TRACKING, I WILL AGGREGATE DATA, PROVIDE
REPORTS, LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW WE ARE DOING, WHAT'S WORKING,
WHAT'S NOT WORKING, MAKE SOME CRITIQUES, ADJUSTMENTS.
THAT DOES INCLUDE A REFERRAL PROCESS FOR OFFICERS.
AND ADDITIONALLY, IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL MORE THAN LIKELY
IMPLEMENT ADDITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING.
14:58:53 >> THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
OUR CLINICIANS WILL BE COMING TO US AS LICENSED CLINICAL
SOCIAL WORKERS OR LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, AND
THEY CAN DO THE BAKER ACT THEMSELVES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT ASSOCIATION OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE
PROFESSIONALS IN THE FIELD INSTEAD OF RELYING ON LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
JUST A QUICK BREAKDOWN OF THE BUDGET.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PROPOSED TOTAL IS 800 FOR THE YEAR.

THE CONTRACT BEFORE YOU IS IN THE 400S, BUT IN ADDITION TO
THAT, THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THE INITIAL
SET-UP THAT WE NEED TO GET THE EQUIPMENT IN PLACE.
ALSO, A LARGE PIECE IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS PROVIDING
SERVICES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY FOR THE CLIENTS THAT OUR
PROGRAM WILL BE SERVING OVER THE DAYS AHEAD.
ANY QUESTIONS?
14:59:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE TWO.
SO DIRT AND LEE, SIGNAL GOES OUT.
HOW DOES THIS WORK?
15:00:03 >> JUST FOR THE RECORD WE CHANGED SIGNAL 20 TO NOW BE CALLED
PERSON IN CRISIS.
15:00:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
15:00:09 >> SO WE MADE THAT CHANGE.
SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THEORY WHEN THOSE CALLS COME IN OUR
DISPATCHERS WILL TRIAGE THE CALLS. IF ONE OF OUR UNITS IS
AVAILABLE TO HANDLE THE SIGNAL 20 CALL, THEN THEY WILL
RESPOND OUT.
SO THE CLINICIANS AND THE OFFICER WILL RESPOND TO THOSE
CALLS, BUS IT'S GOING TO BE FOLLOW-UP.
WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE SAME
PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE
APPROPRIATE FOLLOW-UP SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.
SO OUR CLINICIANS WILL BE GOING OUT WITH THE OFFICERS TO

FOLLOW-UPS AND ENSURE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO THEIR
EMPLOYMENT, MAKING SURE THE MEDICINES THAT THEY ARE TAKING,
IF THEY ARE NOT TAKING THEM WHY THEY ARE NOT TAKING THEM,
AND GETTING BACK CONNECTED WITH THEIR DOCTOR TO GET THEM THE
APPROPRIATE MEDICINE THEY NEED, AND SO FOLLOW-UPS ARE PART
OF IT, AND THEN THEY RESPOND TO THAT.
THE CLINICIAN WOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON THOSE CALLS AND TRY TO
TRIAGE THAT CALL FROM THE PROFESSIONAL SIDE.
15:01:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND QUESTION.
EVERY COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
SO YOU HAVE FOUR OFFICERS, FOUR CLINICIANS.
TELL ME DIVERSITY.
BECAUSE EVERY COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT AND PEOPLE RESPOND TO
PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY IN CRISIS OR FAMILIES ARE THERE IN
CRISIS.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE IN PLAN FOR THAT?
HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT YET?
15:01:23 >> ARE YOU REFERRING SPECIFICALLY TO DIVERSITY OF THE TEAM?
15:01:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
15:01:28 >> SO THE DIVERSITY OF THE TEAM RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU
WILL HAVE TWO FEMALES, AND 2001 FEMALE OFFICERS AND ONE MALE
OFFICER.
WE ARE STILL RECRUITING FOR THE FOURTH POSITION SO WE WILL
HAVE DIVERSITY THERE.
WE DID NOT FIND THE CLINICIANS YET BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING ON

THE CONTRACT FOR IT TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL
BEFORE WE HIRE FROM ACTS.
SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT PIECE WHAT ACTS IS GOING LOOK LIKE
YET.
I KNOW THROUGH MY DISCUSSIONS WITH VALERIE, WHO HAS HELPED
US WITH PROJECTS ON MENTAL HEALTH, WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT
ISSUE SPECIFICALLY KNOWING THAT EACH SUBSET WITHIN THE
COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE TREATING THE NEED -- THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE
INDIVIDUAL WITH THESE TYPES OF TEAMS.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE A DIVERSE TEAM, BOTH MALE AND
FEMALE, AND WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE BRING IN
OUR CLINICIANS THAT WE HAVE A WIDE DIVERSE GROUP THERE AS
WELL TO HELP MEET THE NEEDS OF THE POPULATION.
15:02:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MALE OR FEMALE IS GOOD BUT AS YOU KNOW AND
I KNOW, IF I GO TO A HISPANIC COMMUNITY, HABLO ESPANOL, IF
YOU DON'T SPEAK THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BENEFIT TO WHERE WE HAVE GOT
A PROGRAM, THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO COVER ALL
THOSE NEEDS, AND WE TALK ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY, WE TALK
ABOUT HISPANIC.
THESE ARE THE CULTURAL PEOPLE SO WE HAVE THOSE PEOPLE TO
RESPOND.
SO JUST MAKING SURE I KNOW IN THE INITIAL STAGE, I WANT US

TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE
FEMALES, MALES, GREAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE DIVERSE PEOPLE THAT
WE SAY IT'S GOING TO BE TRULY A TEAM TO SOME INITIALS SOME
OF THESE COMMUNITIES.
15:03:13 >> YES, SIR.
15:03:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
15:03:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU.
GOOD PROGRESS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE KICKOFF WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S AROUND
THE CORNER IN THE FALL.
MY QUESTION, I KNOW IN ALL THE RESEARCH YOU HAVE DONE, AND
YOU HAVE LOOKED INTERNALLY, AS RELATED TO HOW MANY TOTAL
CALLS, BASICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE GOT SORT OF FOUR
TEAMS, OR SOMETHING, AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO COVERAGE OF
24/7?
AND I'M SURE A LOT OF THESE CALLS PROBABLY PERHAPS MAY GET
MORE CONCENTRATED ON CERTAIN DAYS OR CERTAIN TIMES OR
SOMETHING.
15:03:58 >> YES, SIR.
AS THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM, WE ARE STARTING WITH FOUR TEAMS.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WITH FOUR TEAMS IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GAIN A
24/7 COVERAGE.
SO THE COVERAGE -- AND WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR CALLS FOR
SERVICES.

WE REALIZE A LOT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE IN THE EVENING
TIME HOURS YOU WILL IN I THINK IF I REMEMBER IT GOES TO
ABOUT 11 P.M. AND THEN THOSE CALLS START TO FALL OFF.
SO OUR COVERAGE WILL BE FROM 8 A.M. TO LOVELY 11:00 IN THE
EVENING.
THEN BECAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED STAFF AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET
MAX HOURS OUT OF OUR TEAMS, PRIMARY COVERAGE RIGHT NOW, THE
PILOT PHASE WOULD BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY SET-UP.
15:04:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
AND DR. THOMPSON, BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW OF THESE NUMBERS
AND THAT SORT OF THING, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
IS THIS JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
ABLE TO ADDRESS AT THE BEGINNING AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE THIS
PROGRAM GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY FOR A CITY OF 400,000 PEOPLE?
15:05:02 >> I DO.
GREAT QUESTION.
THANK YOU.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
AND I THINK IT IS ADMIRABLE THAT THE CITY IS TAKING A LOOK
AT THIS, AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS A CONCERN OF THE
CITIZENS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
I THINK FOUR IS DOABLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT I HAVE
REVIEWED, AND YES, I HIGHLY ANTICIPATE THIS PROGRAM TO GROW
AND REACH A CAPACITY WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST MEET THE NEEDS AS

MANY CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE.
IDEALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT NEED IT.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE AND THAT'S NOT
REALISTIC.
15:05:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
CHIEF, AGAIN, THANKS FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST
YEAR, I GUESS ABOUT A YEAR OF WORKING ON THIS.
I KNOW YOU PUT YOUR HEART AND SOUL INTO IT AND I APPRECIATE
IT.
AGAIN, WELL, WHEN WE PUT FOUR OFFICERS ON THIS, FOUR
OFFICERS LESS DOING THEIR REGULAR JOB, BUT I WOULD THINK
THAT THEY SERVE A BALANCE THERE IN TERMS OF THAT IF BECK
START REDUCING ESPECIALLY THE RECIDIVISM, JOHN BENNETT AND I
HAVE TALKED ABOUT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO DO
THAT IN TERMS OF FOLLOW-UP AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I MEAN, OVERALL I HOPE THAT WE CAN JUST KEEP A STEADY NUMBER
OF OFFICERS TO JUST START SHIFTING SOME OF THEM OVER INTO
THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM?
15:06:37 >>CHIEF BERCAW:
THESE ARE CALLS THAT THE OFFICERS WILL BE
ATTACK ANYWAYS, SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE WITH THIS UNIT TO
REDUCE THE VOLUME OF THOSE CALLS SO EASE THE WORKLOAD
SIMULTANEOUSLY.
SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL INCREASE OUR EFFICIENCY AND
EFFECTIVENESS NOT ONLY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT FOR THE
CITIZENS.

15:06:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND I WOULD ALSO GUESS THAT ESPECIALLY
WHEN IT RELATES TO EFFECTIVENESS THAT THESE OFFICERS ARE
MORE HIGHLY TRAINED THAN JUST YOUR REGULAR OFFICER.
15:07:12 >> EXPERT SUBJECT MATTER, YOU CAN'T TOP THAT.
15:07:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RIGHT, SUPER.
THANKS AGAIN.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM ALL OF YOU AS WE
PROGRESS MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN.
15:07:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NONE ELSE BEFORE I FINISH UP?
15:07:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DON'T PUT IT ON CONSENT.
IT'S TOO GOOD AND TOO IMPORTANT TO SKIP OVER.
I'M SORRY.
15:07:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SAW VIERA AND MR. CARLSON.
15:07:36 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN AND LADY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
CHIEF, IT'S GOOD TO SEA YOU UNDER BETTER CIRCUMSTANCES.
THAT'S FOR DARN SURE.
ONE THING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE
PRESENT?
15:07:54 >> IT'S ROUGHLY 800,000.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LINE BUT IT'S ROUGHLY 800,000.
15:08:00 >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
IF IT CONTINUES TO BE EFFECTIVE IT'S GOING TO COST MORE
MONEY.
WE HAVE $80 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS GOING TO COME

FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNMENT TOLD US WE CAN
USE THAT MONEY IN PART FOR PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK
AT FUNDING IN A ROBUST WAY, IN PART THROUGH THOSE FUNDS,
THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A MOTION IN THAT REGARD THAT COUNCIL HAS
SUPPORTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THOSE FUNDS,
AND IT GOES TO THE LARGER POINT WHICH IS THAT IF YOU ARE
GOING TO DO POSITIVE REFORMS IN POLICING, IT COSTS MONEY.
IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING THAT WE PASSED IS GOING TO COST A LOT
OF MONEY.
COMMUNITY POLICING AND HAVING THAT TRANSITION FOR A LOT OF
OUR COPS ON THE STREET.
THAT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
BODY CAMERAS, CITIZEN 13 MILLION.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
AND THIS A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.
SO WHEN YOU WANT TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, IT COSTS A GREAT
DEAL OF MONEY.
AND WE ARE COMING INTO A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY.
AND I THINK THERE'S GOOD CONSENSUS FOR HAVING THESE
IMPROVEMENTS FUNDED IN PART BY THESE FUND.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
15:09:09 >>CHIEF BERCAW:
IN ADDITION TO THAT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL

GRANTS THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR, AND ARE OPTIMISTIC ON
THOSE.
15:09:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON.
15:09:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ECHO THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOU'RE
TEAM FOR PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER, DOING ALL THE RESEARCH.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THE COMMUNITY BROUGHT UP A YEAR AGO
AND IT HAS HAD A CONSISTENT DRUM BEAT-APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.
THANKS ALSO FOR PITCHING IT FORWARD AND LEADING US WELL.
ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND SORRY THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION BUT
IT'S THE ONE THE COMMUNITY ASKED, WHICH IS, IS IT POSSIBLE
THROUGH THE RESEARCH THAT YOU HAVE DONE THAT HAVING MENTAL
HEALTH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, INTERVENTION, WOULD REDUCE THE
TIMES THAT PEOPLE ARE SHOT OR HURT IN SOME WAY, THAT THE
COMMENT OF THE COMMUNITY IS IF A MENTAL HEALTH PERSON LED,
THEN THERE WOULD BE FEWER PEOPLE SHOT.
IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU SAW IN ANY OF THE RESEARCH YOU
DID, AND WHAT'S YOUR --
15:10:10 >> THAT WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF, BUT AS PRESENTED
HERE, THE MENTAL HEALTH EXPERT OF THE LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH
COUNSELOR IS GOING TO BE THE ONE ENGAGING.
SO UNLESS THERE'S A THREAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE
OFFICER IS SECONDARY.
15:10:27 >> AND WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY SPECIFIC CASES,
IF SOMEONE NEEDS A MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR BUT THEY ARE ALSO
WIELDING A WEAPON, GUN OR SOMETHING?

15:10:36 >> THAT'S A VERY DYNAMIC SITUATION WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT
TRAINING WILL STEP IN.
15:10:42 >> I KNOW THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO ASK US, SO I WANT TO GIVE
AN ANSWER.
THANK YOU.
15:10:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CHIEF, THE LIEUTENANT, THE DOCTOR
FOR THE RECORD WORK, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF, TOO.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE
CHAIR'S POSITION.
15:11:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND YOUR QUESTIONS ARE VALID.
I'M HOPING THAT WE HAVE BUY-IN.
BUY-IN FROM THE OFFICERS.
BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE BUY-IN.
FOUR OFFICERS WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.
WE HAVE VERY SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION IN OUR
COMMUNITIES.
IT WON'T BE ENOUGH.
SO YOU CAN GET READY FOR THAT.
FOUR WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START TO SEE WHERE WE NEED TO BE AT.
I'M A REALIST.
MR. CARLSON, YOUR POINT, I HAVE BEEN THERE.
GUY COMES OUT WITH A BIG OL' KNIFE.
21 FEET.

BUT YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE CONFIDENCE TO SAY, I DO TAKE THIS
GUY'S LIFE OR I DO JUST BACK OFF AND JUST WAIT IT OUT?
COMES TO TRAINING, TOO.
IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE PART OF PROBABLY THE PROCESS WITH TPD
TRAINED OFFICERS WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL SO IT'S
GOING TO WORK BOTH HAND.
NO WHEN TO RETREAT.
BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT, WE ARE GOING TO SEE HOW IT ROLLS OUT.
I KNOW THE CHIEF, I KNOW HIM, HE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE
LOOKING FOR THIS AND THAT.
SO I AM WAITING TO SEE HOW WE GET UP AND RUNNING.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WITH ONLY FOUR OFFICERS, YOU HAVE A
MIDNIGHT SHIFT, AN EVENING SHIFT, DAY SHIFT, YOU HAVE GOT
THREE DISTRICTS.
WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, WORKED AT THE GASPARILLA, D-3, SO I
JUST TELL YOU THE WAY IT IS.
AND WE HAVE A SEVERE MENTALLY ILL IN A LOT OF OUR YOUTH NOW.
SOME PARENTS HAVING KIDS, THAT THEY HAVE MENTAL.
15:13:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:

BUT I AM GLAD WE ARE IN THE RATE STEP TO MOVE BECAUSE I
THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE KEY TO THIS PROCESS.
MR. MIRANDA, ANYTHING, SIR?
15:13:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, NO, THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE REST OF
THE STAFF FOR PUT IT TOGETHER AND DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
CAN'T MACH JUDGMENTS -- VERY WELL DONE WITH YOUR STAFF.
DR. THOMPSON AND THE REST OF YOU.
HOPEFULLY IT WORKS OUT FOR THE BEST AND EVERYBODY IS
SATISFIED.
15:13:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, YOU WANT TO PUT A MOTION ON THE
FLOOR?
15:13:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FILE NUMBER PS 21-69-437.
I WILL MOVE THAT RESOLUTION.
15:13:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO MOVED IT.
MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
15:14:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
15:14:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
15:14:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
15:14:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
15:14:11 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
15:14:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
15:14:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
15:14:14 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
15:14:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
ITEM NUMBER 42.
STAFF.

CHIEF, ARE YOU DOING THIS OR IS LEGAL DOING IT FIRST?
I THINK LEGAL IS SUPPOSED TO TALK ON THE CHARTER ISSUE.
15:14:51 >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHIEF OF STAFF.
HERE REPRESENTING THE ADMINISTRATION SPECIFICALLY, MAYOR
CASTOR, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOME APPOINTMENTS TO
CITY COUNCIL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONFIRM.
BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, MAYBE MR. SHELBY
CAN HELP ME, AND MS. ZELMAN CAN HELP ME THAT THERE WAS A
SUBSTITUTE SUBMITTED.
15:15:18 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WE SUBMITTED A AMENDMENT YESTERDAY TO ADD
SHERISHA HILLS AS DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION
DEPARTMENT TO THE OTHER NEW APPOINTEES.
15:15:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BEFORE THE CHIEF GOT STARTED, I PULLED
THIS ITEM FOR CLARITY.
AS YOU REMEMBER, CHIEF TRIPP HAD HER SITUATION, HAD TO RUSH
TO GET THAT DONE, AND IT'S NO SLAP ON THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION.
LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR.
IT'S A MATTER OF THINGS BEING OUT OF BALANCE AND WE HAVE
ALWAYS DONE IT THIS WAY VERSUS DOING WHAT POLICY SAYS WE
SHOULD DO.
SO IT'S NO SLIGHT OF ANY CANDIDATE THAT'S BEING APPOINTED.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE PROCESS AND THE POLICY NOT BEING
CONSISTENT AND FOLLOW WHAT THE BOOKS SAID.
SO AS THE CHAIRMAN, I AM A POLICY GUY.

CHIEF IS A POLICY GUY.
SO IS THE MAYOR.
THEY MAKE POLICIES.
AND WE FOLLOW POLICY.
AND FOR ME, WHEN I SEE OUR CURRENT SITUATION THAT'S
OCCURRING, AND COUNCIL IS IN THE DARK AND WE GET CALLS, AND
AS THE CHAIRMAN, I HAVE TO ACT UPON THOSE TO GET
INFORMATION.
SO THAT'S WHY I PULLED THIS ITEM TO ASK QUESTIONS REGARDLESS
OF WHAT OUR CHARTER SAYS, WHY WE ARE DOING THIS VERSUS WHAT
THE CHARTER SAYS, AND THAT'S WHY MR. SHELBY SENT THAT MEMO
OUT.
WE WILL GET THROUGH THE APPOINTMENTS.
I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE AN ISSUE WITH THE APPOINTMENTS
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH NUTS AND BOLTS HOW WE
WILL PROCEED DOWN THE ROAD WITH APPOINTMENTS COMING TO THIS
COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
15:17:00 >> THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR STAFF.
AND I WILL LET MR. BENNETT GO, MS. ZELMAN, AND MR. SHELBY
CAN CHIME IN.
15:17:09 >>JOHN BENNETT:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
I HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
ONE, WE COULD DO ONE CONFIRMATION CANDIDATE AT A TIME, LET
HIM OR HER COME UP AND BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, GIVE A
FIVE-SECOND CURRICULUM VITAE OR IN THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE

SECTOR, AND IF YOU WANT THEM TO COME ONE AT A TIME OR WOULD
YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM ALL THREE AND MAKE YOUR DECISION IN
THE GROUP?
WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
15:17:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK I WILL GO AROUND, AT LEAST FOR ME,
I THINK WE HEAR -- FROM THE CANDIDATE, HEAR THEM OUT AND
MAKE THE APPOINTMENT, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL GO INTO
THE POLICY, HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE THAT'S
COMING BEFORE COUNCIL.
15:17:56 >>JOHN BENNETT:
SOUND GREAT.
15:17:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU ARE THE BUS.
15:18:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY.
15:18:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I JUST WANT TO ALSO ADD, COUNCIL, THAT --
AND MS. ZELMAN CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT IT -- OR THE
ADMINISTRATION -- CONTAINED IN THIS RESOLUTION ALSO IS
RELATIVE TO WAIVER OF THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS A
SECTION OF THE CHARTER.
I THINK THAT'S STILL IN THE SUBSTITUTE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE
CHARTER SAYS, AND THE EFFECT, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN
PREVIOUS EXTENSIONS OF THAT POLICY IN THE CHARTER, PREVIOUS
WAIVERS GRANTED AND WHAT ULTIMATELY THE EFFECT OF THAT IS,
SO COUNCIL IS APPRAISED OF IT.
15:18:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET'S DO THIS, MR. SHELBY.
AGAIN, WE'LL GO AHEAD SO WE CAN GET THOSE FOCUS OUT OF HERE

AND THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH THE BUSINESS AT HAND OF THE CHARTER
ISSUES, OF THE RESIDENCY AND ALSO HOW IT SHOULD BE MADE WITH
THE COUNCIL.
15:18:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN DO IT INDIVIDUALLY BUT ULTIMATELY
IT'S ALL CONTAINED IN A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE
VOTE TO EITHER MOVE THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THAT ACTION.
15:19:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CORRECT.
AGAIN, CHIEF, YOU CAN DO ONE AT A TIME, AND WE'LL GONE WITH
THE WHOLE RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT IS ONE PACKET.
AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.
AND THEN THEY CAN GO AFTER THAT AND DEAL WITH IT AFTER THAT.
15:19:24 >>JOHN BENNETT:
AND TODAY, OBVIOUSLY, OUR THREE
CONFIRMATION CANDIDATES APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, THIS IS A
GREAT MOMENT FOR THEM.
I KNOW WE HAVE THE MOMENT OF COUNCIL AND THE PROCESS PIECE
BUT IT'S ALSO A VERY GOOD MOMENT FOR THEM.
AND I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR TO START IN THE PROCESSES OF
SENIORITY SO I WOULD FIRST HAVE MS. ADRIANA-COLINA COME UP
AND TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT HERSELF.
15:19:57 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ADRIANA-COLINA, 32-VETERAN WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, MY
BACKGROUND IS HR PUBLIC RELATIONS, COMMUNICATIONS, AND
REALLY COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
PRIOR TO BEING GIVEN THE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE AS THE DIRECTOR
OF THE LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA

I SERVED WITH THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT WHERE I WORKED WITH
MANY OF YOU AND WORKED OVER ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR THE SOLID
WASTE DEPARTMENT.
I AM PROUD TO HAVE SERVED THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR SO MANY
YEARS AND GIVEN MY BEST.
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO GIVE YOU ALL AND GIVE
TAMPA ALL THAT I HAVE.
THIS IS MY HOMETOWN, AND I LIVE IN THE DREAM TOWN.
THANK YOU.
15:20:46 >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU STARTED WHEN YOU WERE TEN?
15:20:54 >> YES.
I FORGOT ONE THING.
2018 TAMPA HISPANIC WOMAN OF THE YEAR.
[ APPLAUSE ]
15:21:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
15:21:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HEARD HER 12 YEARS AGO.
YOU COULDN'T ASK FOR A BETTER PERSON.
SHE HAS MY ENDORSEMENT.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
15:21:16 >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
15:21:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
15:21:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE ARE SO PROUD OF YOU, ALL YOU HAVE
DONE OVER THE YEARS, WHAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
I THINK YOU SHOULD GIVE A SHOUTOUT IN SPANISH BECAUSE IT'S

ALWAYS SO ELOQUENT WHEN YOU DO.
BUT CONGRATULATIONS.
15:21:41 >> ADRIANA-COLINA.
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
15:21:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
GOT IT.
15:21:55 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
AND WE ARE VERY PROUD OF HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS WELL.
I KNOW IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO SEE HER STEP INTO THIS ROLE.
AND I WITNESSED FROM THE SIDELINE, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW
QUICK MS. COLINA RESPONDED TO ALL OF OUR PROJECTS IN
REALTIME ESPECIALLY AFTER COVID CONDITIONS.
SO WE ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HER ABILITIES IN SERVING
THE PUBLIC IN OUR INTERNAL SERVICES.
NEXT, I AM HONORED TO BRING UP SHERISHA HILLS WHO HAS BEEN
APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AS THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND
RECREATION.
ALSO IN THE SCHEME OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC WORKS, OUR
PARKS ARE ONE OF THE MOST FORWARD FACING DEPARTMENTS, THAT
SERVE THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE VERY HONORED TO PRESENT YOU
THAN MS. HILL.
15:22:46 >> SHARISH HILLS:
LIKE HER, RAISED IN TAMPA, NOTRE DAME,
PLAYED A LITTLE BIT OF BASKETBALL, BUT I GREW UP IN THE
PARKS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, WENT TO CITY OF PARKS REC,
SUPERVISOR, PROJECT, SERVICE COORDINATOR, TO NOW DIRECTOR OF
PARKS AND RECOLLECTION.

HOME IS WHERE THE HEART IS.
THIS IS HOME.
I'M HAPPY, HUMBLED AND HONORED TO HAVE THIS.
THANK YOU.
15:23:24 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK
OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
THE CONSTITUENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA AS THE REST OF THE CITY
REALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR PARKS AND FEEL PASSIONATELY AND WANT
THEM TO IN GREAT CONDITION.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE AND CARE AND THEY LOVE
WORKING WITH YOU.
SO THANK YOU.
15:23:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THINK ALL MY HARD WORK PAID OFF WHENEVER
I SAW THE MAYOR AND WHISPERED IN HER EAR, SHARISH HILL.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
YOU HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET TO WHERE YOU ARE AT.
I AM SO PROUD OF YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:24:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO THANK BOTH.
I TALKED TO MS. CORINA OUTSIDE, ADRIANA.
AND I HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH YOU, MS. HILL.
15:24:16 >> YES, SIR.
I'M ON IT.
IF I CAN SHOOT THE BOAR I'LL BE GOOD BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I'M GOOD.
15:24:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE'LL HAVE MR. BENNETT BE THE REFEREE.
15:24:27 >> YOU DO IT.
I'M STILL GOING TO BET ON HIM.
I GOT HIM.
15:24:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HEARD YOU WORKED THROUGH THE SYSTEM
AND THAT'S AN HONOR.
15:24:38 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
15:24:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME SAY THIS.
THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT YOU FROM DAY ONE.
THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS DAY.
AND IT'S IN A SLATE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT ARE HERE
TODAY.
BUT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO
BRING YOU TO THIS COUNCIL FOR US.
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AND THE FOLKS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT SEE WHAT
YOU ARE DOING.
SOME OF THE OTHER GUYS, THEY SIT IN THE OFFICE ALL DAY AND
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
YOU ARE OUT THERE.
YOU ARE WITH THE KIDS, PARENTS, COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IN THEIR LEADERS.
NOT SIT IN AN OFFICE SOMEWHERE AND DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING
ON.
AND I KNOW YOU DO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE YOU ARE OUT

THERE.
I HEAR FROM THE EMPLOYEES.
EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN CALLING US.
MANAGERS HAVE BEEN CALLING US.
SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB.
SO WE HEAR THESE THINGS.
I MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT.
I TOLD MR. BENNETT, WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON?
WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON?
SO I AM GLAD THIS WAS DONE.
IT NEEDED TO BE DONE.
I'M PROUD OF YOU.
THIS COMMUNITY, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE THE FIRST
AFRICAN FIRE CHIEF WHO HAS DONE A HELL OF A JOB FROM DAY
ONE.
NOW WE HAVE AN AFRICAN -- 80%, 90% AFRICAN?
SO PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CITY.
TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH OUR TWO HOURS -- THAT'S WHAT
PEOPLE WANT TO SEE.
THEY 2021 SEE CHANGE.
I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU.
YOU WORKED YOUR WAY.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A LONG TIME COMING.
I'M GLAD THAT THE CHIEF AND OCEA AND THE MAYOR MADE THE
DECISION TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS DAY.
CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU DO.
THANK YOU, SHARISHA.
15:26:44 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
15:26:48 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
A TOTAL POSTSCRIPT ON SHARISHA BESIDES THE WONDERFUL THINGS
YOU HEARD, I HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE SOME MEETINGS OUT IN IT
COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY UNDER BUDGET DEVELOPMENT.
I WANT TO HEAR SOME THINGS AT THE GROUND LEVEL ABOUT SOME OF
THE PASSION AS WE DEVELOP THE FY 22 BUDGET.
AND I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO INTERFACE WITH SOME OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS THAT HAVE A HIGH SENSE OF COMMUNITY
AROUND OUR PARKS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THE GRANULARITY THAT MS. HILLS HAS
PROVIDED IN UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE SHE GREW UP IN THE PARKS,
FAMILIES USE THE PARKS, SO THERE'S THIS TACTILE
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND THAT'S REALLY
GOING TO BE A GUAM CHANGER FOR US.
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF FIRSTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING THROUGH
BASED ON THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND COUNCIL'S
CONFIRMATION.
BUT I WANT TO SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST,
TOO.

THESE ARE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
AND MRS. HILLS WOULDN'T THROUGH A RIGOROUS REVIEW AGAINST
NATIONWIDE CANDIDATES THAT WERE SUBMITTED OVER THE OPEN
OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR THIS POSITION.
AND SO THAT VETTING PROCESS IS A TESTIMONY TO HER, HER
ABILITIES.
AND WE ACTUALLY LIFTED SOME CANDIDATES FROM A PREVIOUS
RECRUITMENT THAT HAD A LOT OF PARKS BACKGROUND, AND MRS.
HILLS JUST LIKE SHE DID IN BASKETBALL WHIPPED THEM ALL.
I AM A LITTLE BIASED ON THE NOTRE DAME THING.
OUR LAST CONFIRMATION RECOMMENDATION IS MR. ADAM SMITH.
AS COUNCIL KNOWS, THE MAYOR REALLY WANTED TO EXAMINE THE
COMMUNICATIONS PROCESS IN THIS CITY.
PENETRATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS NOT FIRST TIME COUNCIL AND YOU HAVE HAD THESE
DISCUSSIONS.
WE HAVE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THINGS WITH SERVICE LEVEL
AGREEMENTS, AND THERE'S JUST NOTHING THAT TAKES THE PLACE OF
GOOD LEADERSHIP, AND A GOOD STRATEGY AROUND COMMUNICATIONS.
WITH THAT PROCESS, WE ARE PROUD TO BRING MR. ADAM SMITH TO
THE LECTERN AND LET HIM INTRODUCE HIMSELF.
15:28:52 >> ADAM SMITH:
I'M SORRY IT'S A LET DOWN FOR ME TO COME UP
AFTER THOSE TWO.
IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR ABOUT A WEEK.

AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME HOW DO I LIKE THE JOB,
ALL I SAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THAT THE STAFF, WITHOUT
EXCEPTION, THE WORK ETHIC AND THE PASSION AND THE COMMITMENT
IS PHENOMENAL.
AS I HAVE BEEN GETTING TO KNOW PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE
ORGANIZATION, AND YOU ALL SHOULD, AND I AM SURE YOU ARE ALL
PROUD.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
15:29:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ASK SINCE I'M THE
CHAIRMAN.
FROM DAY ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNICATION.
FROM DAY ONE.
AND THE COMMUNICATION PERSON IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY.
THIS COUNCIL IS A PART OF THE CITY.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, THERE ARE
THINGS WE WANT TO GET OUT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT
AS WELL.
THIS DOWNFALL COUNCIL WANTS THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WE ARE DOING
THIS WELL, OUR WEBSITE, WE HAVE TO CALL ABOUT UPDATES AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I AM HOPING THAT WE HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF COMMUNICATION
TO ALL OF OUR NEED.
I CAN TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT SITUATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE GET CALLS.

WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
I AM HOPING THAT THE PHILOSOPHY WILL CHANGE.
I'M HOPING THAT YOU BRING A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY TO THAT
DEPARTMENT TO WHERE WE CAN GET NOTIFIED WHEN THINGS HAPPEN.
WE HAD A BIG FIRE DOWNTOWN, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
HAD MULTIPLE SHOOTINGS.
DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO I AM HOPING THAT SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION PEOPLE AT THE
FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE, SOMEHOW IT INTERTWINES, SO THIS
COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE CITY AS WELL, BECAUSE
HONESTLY WE HAVE A MAYOR, BUT PEOPLE NOTIFY THIS COUNCIL,
FIRST E-MAIL THIS COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY THINK WE ARE THE
FIRST LINE.
SO I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN GET A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY IN THE
OFFICE.
AGAIN, WELCOME ABOARD.
15:30:59 >> THANK YOU.
AND I AM EAGER TO HEAR ALL YOUR IDEAS FOR HOW WE CAN
IMPROVE.
15:31:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
MR. CARLSON.
15:31:06 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WON'T REPEAT EVERYTHING HE JUST SAID BUT
FROM A CONSTITUENT POINT OF VIEW WE ARE ALL THE SAME.
THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR.
IF ONE OF US GETS BLAMED, THEY ARE MAD AT ALL OF US.

AND WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT CONSTITUENTS
NOT BEING INFORMED FROM RATE INCREASES TO PUBLIC MEETINGS
THAT ARE COMING UP TO TEARING UP ROADWAYS.
A LOT OF TIMES WE GET PRESS RELEASES THAT ARE AT LEAST SENT
TO US BUT WE GET THEM AT 9:00 AND THE RESIDENTS AT 8:00 SO
IT'S TOO LATE FOR US TO NOTIFY.
WE HAVE OUR ONLY OWN CHANNELS WE CAN USE, AND THE MORE TOOLS
YOU GIVE US, THINK OF US AS A COMMUNICATION PARTNER WITH THE
MAYOR AND STAFF, THE MORE WE CAN HELP ALL OF US DO A BETTER
JOB, BECAUSE I KNOW THE MAYOR, CHIEF OF STAFF AND OTHERS IS
TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY AND TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY TO
MAKE SURE WE ARE LIVING UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS AND VISION OF
THE COMMUNITY.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND ALSO, I HAVE KNOWN ADAM FOR A LONG TIME.
AND HE WAS WITH THE TIMES.
HE WAS A REPORTER AND AN EDITOR.
AND VERY WELL EXPECTED AT THE TIMES.
AND IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN HE WORKED FOR AN INTERNATIONAL PR FIRM SO HE HAS
THAT EXPERTISE OF BEING ABLE TO LOOK SYSTEMICALLY AT
COMMUNICATION.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
WE THINK REALLY THE CITY HAS A 1.2 OR WHATEVER BILLION
DOLLAR COMPANY FROM THE COMMUNICATION POINT OF VIEW AND HAS

LOTS OF MOVING PARTS WITH LOTS OF CONSTITUENTS TO
COMMUNICATE WITH AND HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WILL DO A
GREAT JOB.
THANK YOU.
15:32:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
15:32:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM JUST HOMING THAT ALL OF US WILL FORGET
ANYTHING THAT ADAM WROTE ABOUT US PRAYER IN THE NEWSPAPERS.
WELCOME ABOARD.
15:32:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ADAM, WELCOME.
SO IT'S AN INTERESTING TRANSITION, AND I HAVE SEEN SOME OF
YOUR FELLOW JOURNALISTS TO GO IN-HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF
THIS IS YOUR FIRST SHOT TRULY IN-HOUSE.
BUT I AM JUST CURIOUS PHILOSOPHICALLY WHAT SORT OF THOUGHTS
YOU HAVE BEEN HAVING ABOUT THAT MOVE, JUST THE IDEA OF
TRANSITIONING FROM COVERING CITY HALL TO BEING PART OF CITY
HALL.
15:33:20 >> I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S SEAMLESS. MY CAREER STARTED
COVERING LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN A LITTLE TINY TOWN.
AND SO I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SORT OF A IDEALIST ABOUT
GOVERNMENT, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN GOVERNMENT.
SO I THINK IT'S PERFECT, A SEAMLESS TRANSITION.
15:33:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
GREAT.
15:33:41 >> JUST TELLING THE STORIES.
15:33:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
THERE ARE A LOT OF STORIES FROM THIS BODY THAT, AS

MR. CHAIRMAN HAS INDICATED, THAT DON'T GET TOLD.
AND SHOULD GET TOLD.
AND YOU SAT HERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF HOURS, JUST WATCHING
THE MANE MANY ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.
AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GET OUT, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH YOU TO CHANGE THAT.
15:34:15 >> ABSOLUTELY.
15:34:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
15:34:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:

(SPEAKING SPANISH)
15:34:26 >> OH-OH.
15:34:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAW YOU EARLY IN THE MORNING.
I THOUGHT YOU WORKED FAST.
ONLY JOKING.
BUT NOT ONLY WRITE ABOUT YOURSELF WHEN YOU HEAR THIS
GOVERNMENT YOU CAN GO BACK IN THE MANY ARTICLES YOU WROTE
AND SEE HOW RIGHT OR WRONG OR MAYBE NOT SO RIGHT.
15:34:47 >> I DON'T THINK I WANT TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU.
[ LAUGHTER ]
15:34:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CONGRATULATIONS.
15:34:54 >> THANK YOU.
15:34:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, THIS BEING IN YOUR COMMITTEE.
15:34:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM HONORED TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 42.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON THE ITEM JUST CONFIRMING THE THREE

INDIVIDUALS THAT SPOKE EARLIER TODAY.
15:35:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL PLEASE.
15:35:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
CONGRATULATIONS.
15:35:19 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
15:35:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
15:35:23 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
15:35:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, THREE NEW MEMBERS TO THE FAMILY.
15:35:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
15:35:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
15:35:29 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
15:35:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND CHIEF BENNETT
AND OTHERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I READ ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS
THAT YOU REALLY HAVE BROUGHT IN, AS YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER,
A TOP NOTCH TEAM OF PEOPLE.
EVERYBODY THAT YOU ALL BROUGHT IN AT THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP
AND OTHERS IS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND I THINK WE ALL OUGHT TO
BRAG ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION MORE, AND THEN CALL THE PEOPLE
THAT YOU ARE BRINGING ON, AND THEN THE DILIGENCE THAT
EVERYBODY TAKES IN MAKING SURE WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS
AND WE ARE SOLVING THE PROBLEMS OF CONSTITUENTS.
THANK YOU.
15:36:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

WE MOVE ON TO MS. ZELMAN AND MR. BENNETT IN REFERENCE TO THE
ACTUAL CHARTER POLICY, AND THE ACTUAL RESIDENCY POLICY.
15:36:31 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
JUST TO CLARIFY, THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU
JUST APPROVED, THERE WERE TWO CHARTER PROVISIONS REFERENCED
THEREIN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT.
ONE IS SECTION 6.03, WHICH PROVIDES THAT 90 DAYS AFTER
TAKING OFFICE OR 90 DAYS AFTER A VACANCY OCCURS, THE MAYOR
IS TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO SERVE AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR THE
EQUIVALENT THEREOF, AND THEN SUBMIT THAT NAME TO THE CITY
COUNCIL FOR CONFIRMATION BY A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL,
AND I WOULD NOTE THAT PRIOR TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
ON WHICH WE ALL SERVE, THE MAYOR ONLY HAS 30 DAYS TO DO
THAT.
NOW IT'S 90 DAYS.
BUT ALSO PROVIDES THAT IF THE COUNCIL DOES NOT CONFIRM THE
APPOINTMENT OF THE MAYOR, AND THEN THE MAYOR HAS ANOTHER 90
DAYS TO EITHER SUBMIT A NEW NAME OR RESUBMIT A NAME THAT WAS
JUST APPROVED.
AND AGAIN THAT WAS SHORTENED.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE MAYOR ONLY HAD 15 DAYS TO DO THAT
AFTER DISAPPROVAL.
NOW SHE HAS 90.
ADDED THAT TIME IN WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND THEN WITH THE CHARTER CHANGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND I BELIEVE THE OTHER PART

YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, SECTION 6.01, WHICH IS THAT PART OF
THE CHARTER THAT PROVIDES THAT DEPARTMENT HEADS OR
ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY EQUAL TO OR
GREATER THAN A DEPARTMENT HEAD, MUST BE RESIDENT OF THE
CITY.
PREVIOUSLY, THE CHARTER JUST SAID THAT AND WAS SILENT.
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AND THE VOTERS
APPROVED A PROCESS WHEREBY A DEPARTMENT HEAD COULD KEEP A
WAIVER OF THAT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR ONE YEAR, AND THEN
COULD REQUEST TWO SUBSEQUENT EXTENSIONS OF THAT REQUIREMENT,
WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
YOU HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUAL WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN GRANTED
RESIDENCY WAIVERS, WHO ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE-YEAR
EXTENSION.
15:39:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
SOME OF US SERVED ON THAT COMMISSION
TOGETHER.
THAT ISSUE WAS RAISED BECAUSE OF A PARTICULAR SITUATION IN
THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, WHICH I WON'T GO THROUGH.
MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WILL.
AND THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT ARE IN THERE.
BUT AS I JUST MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, WE HAVE VERY GOOD
STAFF NOW, AND AT LEAST ONE OF THEM SITTING OVER THERE, AND
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
THE CHARTER WON'T ALLOW US TO EXTEND IT.
ARE WE GOING TO LOSE PEOPLE IF THEY CAN'T MOVE?

15:40:00 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I DON'T KNOW.
THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION WHICH SOME OF US HAVE ALSO
PONDERED.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE SERVED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
TOGETHER.
I WAS AMONG THOSE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT
AGREED WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS MICHAEL STEVENS WHO HAD SERVED
AS AN HR DIRECTOR AT USF THAT ADVOCATED FOR DOING AWAY WITH
THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IN HIS OPINION, AND I
TEND TO AGREE, IT REALLY LIMITS THE ABILITY TO HIRE THE BEST
AND THE BRIGHTEST WHEN WE ARE NO LONGER LIVING IN THE KIND
OF SOCIETY WHERE THERE'S JUST A SINGLE BREADWINNER IN THE
HOUSE AND ALL THAT.
WE NOW HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU MAY HAVE A
MARRIED COUPLE WHERE THE HUSBAND WORKS IN HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY, THE WAIVE WORKS IN SARASOTA COUNTY, THEY WANT TO
LIVE IN APOLLO BEACH, TO LIVE HALFWAY IN BETWEEN.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE CARRYING FOR ELDERLY RELATIVES.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE CARING FOR GRANDCHILDREN.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE NEAR THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS.
THEY HAVE KIDS IN A PARTICULAR SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY WANT TO
BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE.
YOU HAVE A SITUATION RIGHT NOW IN TAMPA WHERE THE COST OF
HOMES AND APARTMENTS HAVE JUST RISEN PHENOMENAL, AND IS IT
REALLY TRULY NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN A CITY?

I AM GETTING WELL OFF YOUR QUESTION, BUT AS YOU RECALL,
THOSE WERE THE ISSUES WE DISCUSSED AT THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION.
THOSE OF US THAT BELIEVE IN DOING AWAY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS
LOST, BUT IF YOU WILL, THE COMPROMISE THAT YOU MENTIONED
CAME UP WITH THIS PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE COULD AT LEAST GET
EXTENSIONS.
SHOULD THE COUNCIL WANT TO REVISIT THAT AND PERHAPS
RECOMMEND AMENDING THE CHARTER TO DO AWAY WITH THE RESIDENCY
REQUIREMENT, THAT WOULD BE ONE OPTION.
15:41:52 >>BILL CARLSON:
BULL WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE A YEAR GAP.
AND I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, AND WE WERE
ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OR THINKING ABOUT WORSE CASE SCENARIO.
WELL, THIS IS THE BEST CASE SNARE WHERE WOO WE HAVE PEOPLE
WE REALLY 2021 KEEP BUT WE HAVE NO PLACE TO BY CHARTER, IS
THAT RIGHT?
15:42:12 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITIES TO GRANT
ANOTHER WAIVER AFTER THE THIRD ONE.
THAT'S CORRECT.
AFTER THE THIRD YEAR HAS EXPIRED.
15:42:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK AHEAD BECAUSE WE
COULD LOSE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE.
THEY WILL LEAVE MAYBE BEFORE THEN.
BUDGET WE DON'T HAVE ANY REMEDIES?
BECAUSE WE CAN'T AMEND THE CHARTER, I DON'T THINK, BEFORE

THEN EITHER.
15:42:38 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I AM TRYING TO DO THE MATH IN MY HEAD OF
WHEN THE ELECTION IS AND I BELIEVE YOU ARE CORRECT.
15:42:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE REQUIREMENT WAS SILLY AND
ANACHRONISTIC.
AND FRANKLY WHEN I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF
DISCUSSING CHARTER ISSUES AND TWEAKS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
ONE.
I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO REQUIRE IMPORTANT DIRECTORS LIKE
THIS TO LIVE WITHIN 25 MINUTES OF THE CITY, OR 30 MINUTES OF
THE CITY OR SOMETHING.
OR 30 MILES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE WHEN AN EMERGENCY COMES UP, THEY CAN GET BACK HERE
QUICKLY.
BUT IF SOMEBODY CHOOSES TO LIVE ACROSS THE BRIDGE IN
ST. PETE OR WHATEVER, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES FINE WITH ME.
WE DON'T OWN PEOPLE 24/7.
AND IF THEY WANT TO GO HOME TO A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
COMMUNITY, EVEN LIVE IN TEMPLE TERRACE, WHAT'S THE
DIFFERENCE IF THEY LIVE IN TEMPLE TERRACE OR YOU LIVE IN NEW
TAMPA?
RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT, LUIS?
BUT IN REGARD TO THIS OTHER ISSUE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT,
6.03, ANDREA?

THE OTHER THING I THINK WE NEED TO TWEAK OR AT LEAST PROPOSE
TO THE VOTERS TO TWEAK IS THIS ISSUE THAT THE MAYOR
APPOINTS -- IT'S JUST STRANGE WORDING.
THE MAYOR APPOINTS DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND THEN WE CONFIRM
THEM.
WHICH JUST TO ME IS JUST BAD LANGUAGE.
TO ME IT SHOULD BE THE MAYOR NOMINATES THE DEPARTMENT HEADS,
ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND THEN WE CONFIRM, OR NOT CONFIRM.
BUT APPOINTMENT APPLIES IT, AND I KNOW WHOEVER WROTE THIS
AGES AGO DIDN'T MEAN THAT THE WAY BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S
SHAKEN OUT OVER THE YEARS.
SO THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF SEMANTICS.
I APPRECIATE MR. BENNETT, YOU AND THE MAYOR AGREEING TO THIS
PROCESS.
AND NOW YOU CAN AD ADD YOUR PARTIES AND YOUR CEREMONIES,
ET CETERA, AFTER WE CONFIRM.
I THINK IT JUST MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE.
WE APPRECIATE THAT.
15:44:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
15:44:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UNDER THE RECORD REQUIREMENT ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
CONVERSATION WITH YOU, WHICH I AGREE WITH, WHEN IS THIS YEAR
THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?
WE REALLY ONLY HAVE A YEAR AND A HALF LOOK WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THREE YEARS, AND LESS THAN TWO YEARS.

I THINK THE ELECTION IS, WHAT, 2023 IN APRIL, AND MARCH,
SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
SO IF YOU GET FROM ONE YEAR, WHEN DOES IT START, WHEN DOES
IT END, AND HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU HAVE BEFORE THE TERM OF
FOUR YEARS ARE UP?
15:45:37 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WELL, TODAY, YOU APPROVED THE EXTENSION
FOR THE INDIVIDUALS NAMED IN THAT RESOLUTION, SO EFFECTIVE
TODAY, THEY EACH HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR, JULY 15th.
SO UNTIL JULY 15th, 2022.
15:45:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ABOUT NINE MONTHS THEN.
15:45:58 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YOU MANY PRAYER TO THE NEXT ELECTION.
CORRECT.
15:46:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO THIS IS THEIR SECOND YEAR THEN.
15:46:06 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CORRECT.
THEY JUST COMPLETED THEIR --
15:46:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT DOES RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT MEAN,
THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT?
15:46:14 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IT ACTUALLY SAYS RESIDE IN AND BE AN
ELECTOR OF THE CITY.
SO RESIDE WITHIN --
15:46:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REQUIREMENT.
THANK YOU.
15:46:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
MS. ZELMAN, AS A PERSON WHO WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW, I
DIDN'T SUPPORT THE POLICE CHIEF LIVING WAY OUT SOMEPLACE.

AND OTHERS ON THE BOARD DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT EITHER.
BUT WE DID MAKE A COMPROMISE.
AND I SAID THIS WILL COME BACK TO BITE US BECAUSE IF YOU
LOOK AT IT, THE ADMINISTRATION IS FOUR YEARS.
HOW DOES THAT BALANCE OUT?
IT DOESN'T.
AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A PICKLE, GENTLEMEN.
BECAUSE THERE IS A RULE IN PLACE THAT WE MAY NOT CAN CHANGE
TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE GOOD PEOPLE THAT WE WANT BECAUSE
IT'S IN PLACE.
SO WHEN WE GET DOWN TO, MR. SHELBY, OUR CHARTER WORKSHOP, IS
IT SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT GOING FORWARD
DEFINITELY?
MS. ZELMAN, THE 90 DAYS, WHEN I HEARD THE 90 DAYS, I KNOW
YOU PUT THAT IN THE FIRST AND THIRD.
VACANCY BECOMES AVAILABLE.
THE MAYOR HAS 90 DAYS TO FILL THAT VACANCY.
CORRECT?
IS THAT HOW IT READS?
15:47:37 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IT READS -- AND I'M SORRY, I WILL QUOTE
THE RECORD RATHER THAN TRYING TO PARAPHRASE.
IT SAYS THE MAYOR WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER TAKING OFFICE, OR
AFTER A VACANCY SHALL EXIST, SHALL APPOINT AND SUBMIT TO THE
CITY COUNCIL FOR CONFIRMATION BY NO FEWER THAN FOUR VOTES OF
THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, HEAD OF DEPARTMENTS AND ANY

ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL WITH ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY OR
RESPONSIBILITY EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THAT OF THE
DEPARTMENT HEAD.
15:48:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO THE MAYOR JUST GOT ELECTED, OR RATHER A
VACANCY OCCURRED WHILE SHE'S IN OFFICE, 90 DAYS APPLIES.
CORRECT?
15:48:23 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
930 DAYS TO APPOINT SOMEONE AND SENT THAT
NAME TO CITY COUNCIL.
15:48:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK THIS IS GOOD SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND
WHAT THAT POLICY IS, WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
WE HAVE GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON SOME OF THESE.
15:48:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:

BUT NOW I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW IS I THINK COUNCIL FEELS
COMFORTABLE NOW, I THINK THE PROCESS KIND OF WORKED TODAY TO
WHERE THE CHIEF BROUGHT THOSE NOMINEES TO THIS COUNCIL, WE
WERE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
SO SOMEBODY THAT ASKED A QUESTION THEY DIDN'T LIKE, BUT I
THINK THAT'S THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR
CONFIRMATION, IS THE MAYOR SUBMITS THAT NAME, AND SHE GIVES
IT THE BENEFIT, YOU NEED TO -- SUBMIT THIS NAME AND SAY TAKE
THIS PERSON AROUND TO COUNCIL AND UNDERSTAND IN CASE THIS
COUNCILMAN HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE, SO THAT PERSON
KNOWS THAT COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR CERTAIN THINGS, NOT JUST A
VOTE ON SOMETHING.
EVEN THOUGH YOU WANT TO GET PEOPLE YOU WANT.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A BETTER PROCESS TO
BE WHAT WE GOT, TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THEM, ASK QUESTIONS.
SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW THESE -- I THINK THAT'S A BETTER
PROCESS VERSUS THE WAY IT KIND OF READS, WHICH IS -- AGAIN,
THAT WAS THE INTENT, BUT THAT'S NOT INTERPRETED.
SO I THINK WE GOT SOME WORK DOWN THE ROAD, GENTLEMEN.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO TALK TO CHIEF BENNETT AND GINA
ABOUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESIDENCY ISSUES.
15:50:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK IN REGARDS TO THE RESIDENCY
AND THE ONE YEAR AND THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT EXTEND THAT, SO
BASICALLY WHEN THAT ONE YEAR COMES UP --
15:50:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY TO RAISE MY FINGERS.
BUT THE CHARTER AS HAS BEEN AMENDED ALLOWS FOR TWO ONE-YEAR
EXTENSIONS TO THE WAIVER.
SO IT'S A TOTAL OF THREE YEARS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
IS THAT CORRECT, MS. ZELMAN?
SO IN OTHER WORDS, AS WHAT HAPPENED TODAY, IF I UNDERSTAND
CORRECTLY, THIS IS THE LAST OF THE EXTENSIONS THAT ARE
ALLOWABLE UNDER THE CHARTER FOR THOSE NAMED INDIVIDUALS.
SO THEY HAVE GOTTEN WAIVERS TWICE BEFORE.
OR THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO.
AN INITIAL WAIVER AND THEN TWO ONE-YEAR EXTENSIONS.
15:50:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JULY 15th OF NEXT YEAR THEY REACH
THEIR DEADLINE, CORRECT?
15:50:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDER THE CHARTER YES, UNLESS THERE'S A

WAY THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED.
IF IT'S THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IF THEY WOULD LIKE THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT --
15:51:06 >>> IF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD RESIGN THE DAY BEFORE AND
THEN THE MAYOR REAPPOINTS THEM THE NEXT DAY, AND -- DO WE
RESET THE ENTIRE PROCESS?
15:51:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ASK AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE IT
ALSO RAISES AN ISSUE THAT IN THE PAST WHAT WE HAVE HAD IS A
POSITIONS BEING INTERIM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PROVISION
OF THE CHARTER REFERENCES WHAT THE CONCEPT OF INTERIM IS,
AND THE PERSONNEL MANUAL CAN TELL YOU WHAT THAT SAYS, BUT
THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF APPOINTMENTS.
SOMEBODY FILLING A POSITION IN AN INTERIM CAPACITY.
AND MAYBE MS. ZELMAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
15:51:49 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, AND MR. SHELBY
JUST TOUCHED ON THIS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR
US TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR WAYS BY WHICH SOME OF THE
INDIVIDUALS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COULD CONTINUE TO SERVE
AFTER JULY 15th, 2022, SHOULD THEY NOT BY THEN BE
RESIDENTS AND ELECTORS OF THE CITY, WE WOULD BE GLAD TO
RESEARCH A WAY TO MAKE THAT --
15:52:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY QUESTION IS HOW MANY ARE IN THIS
POSITION?
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THIS POSITION?
15:52:18 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I DON'T HAVE IT THE RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF

ME.
YOU HAVE IT RIGHT THERE?
15:52:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE CLERK HAS IT BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
OTHERS HAVE BEEN GRANTED -- AND ALSO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE
THAT'S BEING REFERENCED AND LOOKED UP, JUST A REMINDER THAT
THERE'S ALSO A GENERAL ELECTION COMING UP IN 2022 THAT MAY
BE ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BALLOT QUESTIONS AS OPPOSED TO A
MUNICIPAL ELECTION.
YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.
BUT TO ADDRESS THE TIMELINE AS WE ARE FACING NOW.
15:52:57 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
FIVE PEOPLE THAT WERE EXTENDED THAT IN
EFFECT RECEIVED THEIR LAST EXTENSION TODAY.
15:53:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON.
15:53:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE WOULD YOU PERMIT ME
TO MAKE THAT MOTION NOW TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK, I DON'T
KNOW WHAT DATE, WITH SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT TO DO REGARDING THE
RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR THE MANAGERS OF THE CITY?
15:53:26 >> WHEN?
15:53:27 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
15:53:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AUGUST 26th.
15:53:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I LIKE ALL THESE PEOPLE.
I THINK THEY HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
FIND SOMEBODY HOW TO VIOLATE THE LAW.
I DON'T 2021 GO THERE I REALLY DON'T.
I MEAN, I LOVE THESE PEOPLE.

BUT FOR ME TO DO THAT.
AND I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
WHAT DOES RESIDENCY MEAN? WHEN SHE TOLD ME TWO THINGS, I
SAID, THAT CAN'T BE.
IF RESIDENCY WAS JUST AN ADDRESS WITH RENT PAYMENT, WHEN I
SEE NOW ALL THIS ELECTRONIC STUFF, HALF MY FAMILY -- THEY
WORK FROM THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, NOBODY SEES THEM.
ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT COME OUT OF COLLEGE.
THEY ARE WORKING FROM THE HOUSE.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS -- THE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEM WAS
VERY LITTLE.
ONLY ONE BRIDGE TO ST. PETE.
TO GO TO CLEARWATER YOU HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
BY THE TIME YOU GOT THERE IT WAS TWO DAYS LATER.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHY IT WAS THERE.
BUT TECHNOLOGY HAS COME THROUGH, AND IT CHANGED THINGS
AROUND.
SO IT MADE THINGS MUCH EASIER.
NONE OF THESE DEPARTMENT HEADS -- AND MAYBE THEY GOT TO BE
HERE SOMETIME.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE ALL THE TIME.
IF UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES DONE LIKE THAT, EVEN IN MEDICINE.
ROBOTIC MEDICINE.

NOW, WHOEVER THOUGHT A ROBOT WOULD KNOW HOW TO OPERATE.
JUST THINK OF THAT.
SO THINGS CHANGE.
THERE'S WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.
SOCIETY HAS DIFFERENT VALUES, DIFFERENT LASS.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I JUST DON'T WANT
TO GO THERE, AND LAB WHAT THEY ARE DOING THERE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
15:55:32 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
TWO THINGS.
I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT AUGUST 26th, AND THAT WOULD NOT
BE ENOUGH TIME IN ADDITION FOR US TO RESEARCH THIS ISSUE.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT
IT, YOUR AUGUST 26th AGENDA IS VERY LONG ALREADY.
SO WE WOULD NEED TIME TO RESEARCH.
15:55:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MRS. ZELMAN, I KNOW WE HAVE A WORKSHOP
COMING UP IN REFERENCE TO THE CHARTER ISSUE.
THAT WOULD BE A BETTER TIME TO DO THAT.
15:56:03 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I AGREE.
15:56:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES ON THE CHARTER WE
NEED TO DISCUSS.
15:56:07 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO MR. MIRANDA'S POINT, WE CERTAINLY
WOULDN'T BE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO VIOLATE THE LAW OR GET
AROUND THE LAW.
WE JUST WANT TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL IMPACT OF

THAT PARTICULAR CHARTER PROVISION AND WHAT IT MEANS WHEN
THOSE WAIVERS EXPIRE.
15:56:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY.
15:56:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST AN OBSERVATION, COUNCIL.
AND MR. MIRANDA MENTIONED, ALLUDED TO THE FACT OF THIS
PROVISION, AND JUST A REMINDER, IT WAS A RESULT OF A
RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ULTIMATELY
THAT GOT PRESENTED TO COUNCIL WHICH THEN MADE A DECISION TO
PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND IT NOW HAD BEEN THE LAST
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VOTERS TO BE DO THAT ALONG WITH THE
OTHER CHARTER AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
IT IS NOW IN YOUR CHARTER AND IT WAS -- THE VOTERS CHOSE TO
PLACE IT THERE.
THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S A -- THIS PROVISION AS IT'S CONSTRUCTED IS NEW.
SO NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THE PRACTICAL
EFFECTS ARE ONCE THIS THING HAS BEEN ENACTED, AND OBVIOUSLY
YOU GET THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY
JUST REMEMBER, I ASK YOU TO MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THE
CHARTER IS CHOSEN BY THE PEOPLE.
IT'S THE PEOPLE'S CHARTER AND OBVIOUSLY ULTIMATELY WHATEVER
PROVISION WILL REFLECT THE VOTER'S WILL.
15:57:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
15:57:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T THINK THAT MOTION GOT A SECOND.

15:57:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION WITH THAT INCLUDING
THE RESIDENCIES WAIVER.
15:57:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
15:57:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
15:58:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WISH THIS TO BE CONSIDERED AT THE
WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, THEN YOU COULD
MAKE A MOTION THAT IS THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT
BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THAT WORKSHOP.
15:58:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, EVERY TIME YOU TALK ABOUT A
CHARTER ISSUE THAT COMES UP, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION
FOR THAT.
WE KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE.
15:58:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDERSTOOD.
15:58:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.
WE KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE.
AND ANY OTHER ISSUE TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
15:58:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL -- I WILL DO THAT.
AND I APPRECIATE -- THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS
COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE PUBLICLY AMONGST YOURSELVES,
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
15:58:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, AND MR. MIRANDA
IS RATE, WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR WAYS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE
LAW SAYS.
WE CAN'T DO IT.

WE GAVE IT TO THE VOTERS.
THIS DECIDED.
I KNOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK AS YOU SAID, AND FIND ALTERNATIVES
IN THE MEANTIME.
I THINK THOSE ISSUES NEED TO COME UP AT CHARTER REVIEW TIME.
MR. CARLSON.
15:59:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MOTION WASN'T SECONDED ANYWAY BUT I
WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION AND CONSIDERING THE
DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD AND LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING IT IN
IT FUTURE.
TO MR. MIRANDA'S POINT, I WANT TO STAY WITHIN THE LAW ALSO.
15:59:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I AM NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.
JUST SAY THAT.
IF I DID I APOLOGIZE IF YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY.
YOU CAN SOLVE A LEGAL PROBLEM.
YOU WILL NEVER SOLVE A PROBLEM OF SOMETHING THAT GOT
VOLUMINOUS THINGS AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF
IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN SOLVE A PROBLEM, BUT YOU CAN'T SOLVE
A PERCEPTION PUBLIC PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM WILL ALWAYS BE IN SOMEBODY'S MIND, IF IT'S NOT
ADDRESSED VERY CLEARLY.
AND THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
15:59:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT CRITICISM IN THE PAST WAS
ABOUT LEGAL ISSUES.

IN THIS CASE TO BE REALLY CLEAR I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
FOLLOW THE LAW AND IF IT'S NOT A LEGAL SOLUTION I WOULD NOT
BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
THANK YOU.
16:00:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, SIR, THANK YOU.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
NUMBER 101.
WE DID 99.
OH, NO.
WE ARE ON STAFF NOW.
AND MOST OF THESE ARE JUST GOING TO BE QUICK VOTES ANYWAY.
PARDON ME?
101.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE QUICK VOTES.
REAL QUICK.
16:00:47 >>RON WIGGINTON:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM 101 IS A REQUEST TO RELEASE AN EASEMENT WITHIN THE
SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 505 ROYAL PALM WAY.
THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE JUNE 3rd MEETING
BECAUSE OF COMMENTS MADE ABOUT POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
IN FACT, A COMPLAINT HAS SINCE BEEN FILED, BUT AS MR.
WEINGART MENTIONED TODAY EARLIER IN PUBLIC COMMENTS, THAT
THIS RELEASE IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE RELEASE SOUGHT
IN THAT COMPLAINT.
THE EASEMENT OF QUESTION IS THE CITY OF TAMPA UTILITY

EASEMENT WHICH WAS RESERVED IN 1982 BY VACATING ORDINANCE
79-17-A AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS EASEMENT WAS TO PLACE PUBLIC
UTILITIES IN THE REAR OF THE LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
WAS NEVER INTENDED TO SERVE AS A BUFFER.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO PUBLIC UTILITIES IN THE AREA AND NONE
ARE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER EASEMENT WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN RESERVED BY THE
DEVELOPER BACK IN 1924 ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THIS RELEASE.
IT IS PROPER TO PROCEED WITH THIS REQUEST AND MR. SAMONS IS
HERE TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU.
16:02:00 >> ROSS SAMONS, RIGHT-OF-WAY AND MAPPING COORDINATOR, CITY
OF TAMPA.
I PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU.
THE PRESENTATION HERE FOR THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT AND HOW
THE PROCESS GOES.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS FROM CITY OF TAMPA STORMWATER,
WASTEWATER, AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
PAGE 3.
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE FOUR QUESTIONS ON THAT SHEET.
THE FIRST OBVIOUSLY, DO YOU HAVE UTILITIES TO BE RELEASED?
AND -- DO YOU HAVE FACILITIES TO BE RELEASED?
WILL SUBJECT EASEMENT BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE?
IF FACILITIES OCCUPY EASEMENT TO BE RELEASED IS IT POSSIBLE
TO HAVE THEM RELOCATED?

DO YOU OBJECT TO THIS EASEMENT RELEASE?
AND PRIVATE ENTITIES OUTSIDE THE CITY.
AND GOT ANOTHER PAGE HERE SHOWING FOUR INSTANCES OF OUTSIDE
THE CITY.
AND WE HAVE TECO ELECTRIC AND GAS, FRONTIER, AND SPECTRUM.
AND THEY HAVE ALL SIGNED OFF.
THEY HAVE NO FUTURE USE NEEDED THERE.
AND THEY HAVE NO FACILITIES WITHIN THE EASEMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SHOWS.
JUST BRIEFLY, THIS IS A CLIP OF THE ACTUAL PLAT.
AND THE APPLICANT IS THE OWNER OF LOT 4, BLOCK E,
INTERSECTION OF LOT 3.
AND THE VACATING IS RELATING TO THIS -- RELEASE IS RELATED
TO THIS VACATED ALLEYWAY HERE.
AN AERIAL JUST FOR YOUR REVIEW.
THIS IS A CLIP FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROPERTY
APPRAISERS OFFICE.
YOU WILL NOTICE THEY DO HAVE THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
IT'S RED LINED.
THAT ALLEYWAY.
AND YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE CENTER LINE OF THE APPLICANT'S
PROPERTY IS WITHIN THAT ALLEYWAY, THE CENTER LINE OF THAT
ALLEYWAY.
THE APPLICANT ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SURVEY, EXHIBIT AND
DESCRIPTION, AND THE BOLD LINE, BLACK LINE HERE IS SHOWING

THE PROPOSED RELEASE OF EASEMENT.
AND THAT SUMS IT UP, AND I HAVE AN REVIEW SUMMARY REPORT
THERE CRATING ALL THE ENTITIES THAT DO NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION
ON THE RELEASE.
16:05:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, SIR.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN?
16:06:00 >> ROSS SAMONS.
16:06:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HE LEFT SOME BIG SHOES.
LISTEN, DO WE KNOW WHY THE EASEMENT WAS RESERVED?
I KNOW IT'S A LONG TIME AGO.
BUT DID ANY OF THE PAPERWORK INDICATE WHY THERE WAS AN
EASEMENT RESERVED AT ALL?
OR IS THAT A LEGAL QUESTION?
16:06:24 >> YES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LEGAL QUESTION.
16:06:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
16:06:33 >> THERE'S NO RECORD INFORMATION TO EXPLAIN WHY THE EASEMENT
WAS RESERVED BACK IN 1982.
I IMAGINE THAT THE INTENT WAS THAT IF THERE WAS ANY NEED FOR
THE UTILITIES TO BE IN THE REAR OF THE LOT THAT THAT WOULD
BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM, BUT NOW THAT ALL THE UTILITIES ARE TO
THE FRONT OF THE LOT, OR UNDERGROUND, I THINK IN SOME OF
THIS AREA, AND I COULDN'T SPEAK TO CERTAINTY WHY THEY DID
IT.
16:06:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK OUR TYPICAL VACATING THESE DAYS
DOESN'T NECESSARILY EVEN RESERVE EASEMENTS UNLESS THEY ONE

OF THE UTILITIES REQUEST IT, RIGHT?
16:07:08 >>RON WIGGINTON:
UNLESS THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN USE, YES,
SIR.
16:07:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
16:07:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK?
16:07:23 >> TREY WEINGART AGAIN WITH HILL, WARD, HENDERSON.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
AND I WILL BE BRIEF.
I WON'T TRY TO TALK LIKE I DID THIS MORNING BUT I WOULD LIKE
TO BRIEFLY GIVE A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION TO THE
UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE LAWSUIT THAT'S BEEN CURRENTLY FILED
HERE.
THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THIS EASEMENT, IT'S IMPORTANT
TO UNDERSTAND THAT CONSTRUCTION HAS ALREADY BEGUN IN THAT
EASEMENT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT BEEN RELEASED BY THE CITY.
NOW, WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT'S OUR BELIEF, MY
CLIENT'S BELIEF, THAT THE LOSSES ACTUALLY COMBINED.
YOU JUST SAW THE DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS LOT E AS WELL AS LOT 3
OR 4 AND PART OF 3.
THAT'S A NONCONFORMING LOT.
THAT'S WHAT THE LITIGATION IS CURRENTLY SURROUNDING.
THAT'S BEEN FILED.
IT'S BEFORE JUDGE CHRIS NASH RIGHT NOW.
AND THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES WHETHER OR NOT A BUILDING IS
APPROPRIATE BOTH ON THAT LOT, AND AT THIS POINT IN THE

EASEMENT, AS IT PROCEEDED.
WITH THAT IN MIND, AND WITH THIS LAWSUIT CURRENTLY PENDING,
AND JUDGE NASH BEING THE ONE WHO IS CURRENTLY CHARGED WITH
DETERMINING, I GUESS, A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE FIRST WHETHER
OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BUILD ON THIS LOT.
I BELIEVE THAT IT'S PREMATURE FOR THE COUNCIL TO VOTE TO
RELEASE THIS EASEMENT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNCIL TO DEFER
UNTIL THE COURT DECIDED THAT WILL ALLOW THEN THE COUNCIL
PLENTY OF TIME ONCE THAT DECISION HAS BEEN MADE, MAYBE
CONTINUED FOR SIX MONTHS, TO GIVE JUDGE NASH THAT
OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT WILL GIVE THE COUNCIL PLENTY OF TIME
TO DECIDE THE EASEMENT ISSUE.
ONCE AGAIN, THE GROUND HAS BEEN CLEARED ON WHETHER OR NOT
THAT LOT HAS BEEN COMBINED THAT INCLUDES THAT EASEMENT THAT
YOU JUST SAW IN THE DIAGRAM.
WAS THAT EVEN A PROPER LOT OR WHETHER THAT SHOULD HAVE NOT
BEEN COMBINED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
SO WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST AND SUGGEST IS THAT THIS MATTER BE
CONTINUED FOR SIX MONTHS SO THAT JUDGE NASH HAS A CHANCE TO
RESOLVE THE PENDING LAWSUIT, AND THEN THIS COUNCIL HAS A
CHANCE TO TAKE UP THE REQUEST FOR RELEASE OF EASEMENT ONCE
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY DECIDED BY THE JUDICIARY.
THANK YOU.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THEM.

16:09:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SAW YOUR HAND.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
16:09:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET ME HEAR FROM MR. MICHELINI.
I ASSUME HE'S REPRESENTING OTHER SIDE.
THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
16:09:58 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
I'M REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF BRIAN LANCEY AND HIS
COMPANY.
THEY OWN THE LOT.
AND IT'S BASICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN
EASEMENT, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANOTHER PERSON'S
PROPERTY.
IT ONLY HAS TO DO FOR THE INDIVIDUAL'S PROPERTY WHO IS
PETITIONING.
AND LET ME CITE FROM RON WIGGINTON'S RELEASE OF EASEMENT
AGREEMENT.
IT SAYS, WHEREAS, IF TO THE EXTENT THE REAR SAID LOT
EASEMENT RATES WERE LATER CONVEYED TO THE CITY, AND FOR THE
UTILITY PURPOSES ARE RESERVED BY ORDINANCE, THE CITY NO
LONGER REQUIRES SAME FOR INSTALLATION, REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE
OF ANY UTILITY PAPERS, LAWNS OR OTHER APERTURES PRESENTLY OR
IN THE FUTURE AND GOES ON TO SAY THAT BRANDON LANCEY,
PETITIONER, AND SAYS THE DIRECTOR HAS DETERMINED THE CITY
HAS NO PRESENT OR FUTURE NEED FOR THE SAID EASEMENTS WITHIN
THE RELEASE AREA FOR ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE.

THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THEY HAVE
NO TOCKS RELEASE IT.
IT THE NEW DIRECTOR OF RIGHT-OF-WAY HAS ALREADY TOLD YOU THE
CITY HAS NO OBJECTION.
THE UTILITIES HAD NO OBJECTIONS.
THIS IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THERE'S A LAWSUIT OR NOT.
THIS PERTAINS TO AN EASEMENT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S
NO LONGER NEEDED.
AND IT SHOULD BE RELEASED.
THERE IS NO REASON TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING.
THE ALLEY WAS VACATED.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY RESERVED THE EASEMENTS.
THE SURVEY WAS SUBMITTED.
THE DRAWINGS AND PERMITS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ISSUED FOR THIS
PROPERTY AND IT WAS ONLY IN THAT PROCESS IT WAS DISCOVERED
THE EASEMENTS STILL HAD NOT BEEN RELEASED.
SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU GO AHEAD, RELEASE
THE CITY'S INTEREST IN THE EASEMENT, THE UTILITY HAVE
ALREADY WEIGHED IN ON THIS, AND BASICALLY THERE'S NO REASON
TO CONTINUE THIS ISSUE REGARDING THE EASEMENT.
IF THE OTHER PARTY HAS PROBLEMS WITH A LEGAL OPINION, OR
STAFF OPINION RELATED TO THE BUILDABILITY OF THE LOT THAT'S
A SEPARATE AND DISTINCT ISSUE THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE
ISSUE REGARDING EASEMENT.

SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOU AS THE PETITIONER TO
MOVE FORWARD AND RELEASE THE EASEMENT.
THANK YOU.
16:12:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
16:12:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
MUCH AS IT PAINS ME TO AGREE WITH MR. MICHELINI, I SEEM TO
BE LEANING THAT WAY.
JUST KIDDING YOU, STEVE.
SO --
[ LAUGHTER ]
TWO THINGS.
TO THE HILL WARD ATTORNEY.
I APOLOGIZE.
I MISSED YOUR NAME.
HAVE YOU SOUGHT ANY INJUNCTIVE OR OTHER EMERGENCY RELIEF
FROM JUDGE NASH AS RELATED TO THE CITY?
16:12:58 >> WE HAVE NOT AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY HAS BEEN SERVED YET SO I AM NOT
SURE THAT IT'S PROCEDURALLY RIGHT TO BE SEEKING THAT
INJUNCTION, BUT WE HAVE NOT.
16:13:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I MEAN IN TERMS OF YOUR RELIEF OF THE
DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FAILED DO NOT INCLUDE
INJUNCTIVE RELIEF?
16:13:17 >> THAT'S CORRECT.

16:13:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SECONDLY, RON, HERE AT CITY HALL, MR.
WIGGINTON I DON'T HAVE YOUR MEMO IN FRONT OF ME, BUT DO YOU
HAVE A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AS RELATED TO THIS
FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY?
16:13:33 >>RON WIGGINTON:
YES, SIR.
IT IS OUR OPINION WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THIS REQUEST
WHETHER YOU WANT TO VOTE IT UP OR DOWN IS UP TO YOU, BUT
IT'S PROPER TO PROCEED WITH THIS.
AGAIN IT'S NOT REALLY RELATED TO THE PENDING LITIGATION AT
HAND.
16:13:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE SORT OF HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD
DISPUTE THAT THE CITY IS BEING PULLED INTO, AND THE CITY
WILL HAVE TO PARTICIPATE, AND THE OTHER LITIGATION, I DO
AGREE WITH MR. WIGGINTON, I DON'T SEE WHY THIS EASEMENT
ISSUE DIRECTLY RELATED.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THESE DAYS WHEN WE VACATE ALLEYS, AND
THERE IS NO REASON TO RESERVING ANY RIGHTS, WE DON'T RESERVE
ANY RIGHTS.
SO THIS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS SORT OF JUST AN ANTIQUATED WAY OF
DOING THINGS.
I WILL MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR 101.
16:14:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.

16:14:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
16:14:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
16:14:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
16:14:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
16:14:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
16:14:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
16:14:44 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16:14:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
103.
16:14:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DID WE DO 98?
16:14:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
98 WAS DONE EARLIER.
99 WAS DELAYED.
16:15:03 >> BUT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO THE REVIEW HEARING.
16:15:04 >> YES.
16:15:05 >> IT'S A LONG DAY. ALL RIGHT.
102.
16:15:16 >> DURING YOUR AGENDA REVIEW, COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER WAS
PRESENT, AND HE HAD NO ISSUES WITH 102, 103, 104 AND 105.
THOSE ARE RESOLUTIONS.
MR. FAIR WAS NOT PRESENTED.
THOSE CAN BE MOVED BY MOTION.
16:15:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WILL MOVE ALL FOUR OF THEM.
102 THROUGH 105.
16:15:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
16:15:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

16:15:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
16:15:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
16:15:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
16:15:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
16:15:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
(OFF MICROPHONE)
16:15:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
16:16:01 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16:16:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
106 WAS A MOTION OF COUNCIL TO COME BACK
FOR A RESOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN FILED AND IT IS READY FOR
YOUR ACTION.
16:16:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO, MR. MIRANDA
SECONDED IT.
ROLL CALL.
16:16:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
16:16:29 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
16:16:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
16:16:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
16:16:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
16:16:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
16:16:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
16:16:37 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16:16:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
AND THEN WE HAVE 106 IS DONE, 107 IS DONE.
WE GOT A MEMORANDUM.
16:16:49 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, 107, I THINK MS. WYNN AND MS.

ZELMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY DETAILED REPORT.
ONE OF THE REASONS I DID THIS IN PART, AND WE CAN COME BACK
TO THIS IF IT NEEDS TO BE, AN APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE WE
PASSED SOME TIME AGO, IT MAY HAVE BEEN PREEMPTED.
I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEGAL REPORT WRITTEN ON THAT
SOMETIME LATER.
IT APPEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO SUBSTANTIALLY SURVIVE.
SO I WAS LOOKING TO THIS AS SORT OF A BACKGROUND.
BUT WE CAN MAYBE COME TO THAT AT ANOTHER TIME SO WE AREN'T
GOING TO BE HERE TILL 8 A.M.
MS. ZELMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
16:17:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
16:17:30 >> RECEIVE AND FILE.
16:17:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. VIERA.
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
MOTION CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT.
108.
ORDINANCE LOOKING FOR CONTINUANCE.
16:17:53 >> BRIAN MORRISON:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
THIS IS ON A MOTION FOR REPORT ON THE COUNTY ORDINANCE
REGARDING THE RENTAL HO HOUSING RATE.
THAT HAS HAD SORT OF A STAGED ROLL-OUT WITH ENFORCEMENT NOT
UNTIL JULY 1st, AND THEREFORE JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE

BIT OF TIME SO I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE COUNTY AND OTHER
MEMBERS TO RESOLVE SOME ISSUES, GATHER SOME DATA REGARDING
THE APPLICATION, INTERPRETATION, ENFORCEMENT OF THAT
ORDINANCE, SO I CAN GIVE YOU A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
16:18:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
TO A PARTICULAR DATE?
16:18:32 >>BRIAN MORRISON:
APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS TO THE NEAREST
MEETING TO THAT.
SEPTEMBER 2nd?
16:18:41 >> 30th.
16:18:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SEPTEMBER 30th?
SO MOVED.
16:18:44 >> SECOND.
16:18:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
THANK YOU, SIR.
ITEM 109.
16:19:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. ROGERO IS ONLINE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HIS REPORT IS GOING TO BE.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO FIND OUT WITH REGARD TO YOUR REVIEW
HEARING.
16:19:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOW LONG IS YOUR REPORT?
16:19:15 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT WILL BE ABOUT FIVE TO TEN MINUTES.
16:19:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY.

16:19:18 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I'M SORRY, WERE YOU READY?
16:19:24 >> YES, SIR.
16:19:26 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
AGAIN THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TO REPORT ON THE AMERICAN
RESCUE PLAN ACT OR ARPA.
CAN I ASK IN THAT MY SCREEN BE SHARED?
AND IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW WHEN IT'S UP.
16:19:57 >> WE GOT IT.
16:20:02 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
OUTSTANDING.
THANK YOU.
AND THERE YOU HAVE IT.
COUNCIL, AS YOU SEE ON SCREEN THE CITY IS ANTICIPATED TO
RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY $80.4 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS
TO ADDRESS OUR NEEDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PANDEMIC THROUGH AS
YOU CAN SEE 2024.
AS YOU CAN ALSO SEE, WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST HALF,
$40.2 MILLION APPROXIMATELY ON MAY 19th.
IF I COULD SHARE WITH YOU SOME FUNDING MAIL STONES, YOU CAN
SEE HOW THE FIRST LINE, STILL BEING ACCEPTED BUTT
DEPARTMENT.
LOCALITIES ARE STILL PEPPERING THEM WITH QUESTIONS SO THINGS
ARE CHANGING AS I STAND HERE AND TALK TO YOU.
OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS REMAIN IN DISCUSSION WITH THE
TREASURY DEPARTMENT, AND THEY CONTINUE TO REFINE THE
GUIDELINES THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN OUT.

YOU WILL RECALL THE EMPHASIS WAS HELPING A TROUBLING
ECONOMY, LET'S GET THE MONEY OUT THERE AND WE'LL WORRY ABOUT
THE DETAILS LATER.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW.
SO WE HAVE THE FUNDING BUT THE GUIDANCE IS CONTINUING TO BE
REFINED.
ON TOP OF THAT, THE METHODOLOGY IS ALSO COMPLEX.
WE ARE CONTINUING A DIALOGUE WITH OTHER CITIES AND OTHER
PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AS WE ALL QUESTION AND ANSWER
EACH OTHER TO MAKE CERTAIN WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AT LEAST
IN KEEPING WITH THE LATEST GUIDELINES AS WE KNOW IT.
MOVING DOWN, AS YOU CAN SEE, IN LESS THAN A YEAR, NEXT MAY,
WE ANTICIPATE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE THE SECOND
40-PLUS MILLION DOLLAR.
BY THE END OF 2024 WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT FUNDING OBLIGATED.
WHETHER THROUGH A PURCHASE ORDER, A CONCEPT, WE HAVE TO HAVE
THAT OBLIGATED OR WE LOSE IT.
FINALLY, ALL THE CASH HAS TO BE OUT THE DOOR BY THE END OF
2026.
AND I WILL CONTINUE WITH KIND OF THAT LINE OF THINKING HERE,
AS WE GET INTO THE AUTHORIZED USES.
IN CONTRAST TO THE CARES ACT, OF COURSE THIS IS A LOT MORE
MONEY, BUT IT'S ALSO GIVING US AND OTHERS A LOT MORE
FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF BOTH HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY AND AS I
JUST SHARED WITH YOU HOW LONG WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY.

THE PLAN BASICALLY TAKES A TWO PRONGED APPROACH THAT YOU SEE
HERE.
THE FIRST WHICH WAS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM THE CARES ACT
IS REPLACING REFUSE PNEUMONIA THAT WAS LOST BECAUSE OF THE
PANDEMIC ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY SPECTRUM, FUND AND FUNCTION.
I WILL SPEAK MORE TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
THE SECOND IS USING THE FUNDING FOR SPECIFIC EXPENSE
CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE HERE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU ARE A CITY WHO WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH
NOT TO LOSE ANY REVENUE DURING THE PANDEMIC, YOU ARE STILL
GOING TO GET AN APPOINTMENT AND YOU CAN SPEND IT ON THESE
PRETTY BROAD GUIDELINES, SUPPORT OF PUBLIC HEALTH RESPONSE,
INVESTMENT IN WATER, SEWER OR BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE,
PREMIUM PAY FOR ESSENTIAL WORK, AND ASSISTANCE TO HOUSEHOLD,
SMALL BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, AND HELPING OUT THE TOURISM,
TRAVEL AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.
IF WE COULD GET PAST THE EXPENSE CATEGORIES AND FOCUS A
LITTLE MORE AS I SAID ON THE REVENUE RECOVERY PORTION OF THE
PLAN, AND WHAT WE CAN SPEND, THAT WORDING, AND YOU SEE THAT
HERE, VERY BROAD CATEGORIES, MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN THE
CARES ACT, INCLUDING CONTEXT, COUNCIL.
RECENT ESTIMATES INDICATE THE CITY IS GOING TO LOSE ABOUT
$45 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE FROM FISCAL YEAR 20, LAST YEAR,
THROUGH NEXT YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 22, THE YEAR WE ARE PREPPING
RIGHT NOW, $40 MILLION.

AND YOU SEE HERE AGAIN WHAT WE CAN SPEND IT ON.
MAINTENANCE OR PAY-GO FUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT PAY-GO IS
SPECIFICALLY PUT IN THERE BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT
THIS TIME DOES NOT WANT US INCREASING OUR DEBT WITH THIS
MONEY.
SO ANYTHING WE DO IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CASH.
MODERNIZATION OF CYBER SECURITY WHERE WE TELL YOU THAT THAT
ISSUE IS IMPORTANT AND CONTINUES TO INCREASE IN IMPORTANCE
AND CONCERN.
HEALTH SERVICES.
SCHOOL OR EDUCATIONAL SERVICES.
ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, POLICE, FAIR AND OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY
SERVICES.
SO A BROAD RANGE, GOING TO GIVE US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE ARE ALSO A COUPLE OF BROAD
CATEGORIES WHERE WE SPECIFICALLY CANNOT SPEND THIS FUNDING.
I HAVE ALREADY REFERENCED DEBT.
AGAIN, FURTHER TO MY COMMENTS, A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THE
GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO CHANGE.
THE COMMENTS ARE STILL BEING TAKEN.
AND THERE ARE MANY LOCALITIES ASKING THE TREASURY
DEPARTMENT, HEY, WE WENT INTO DEBT TO GET US THROUGH THE
PANDEMIC.
WHY CAN'T WE USE THIS FUNDING TO GET OURSELVES OUT OF DEBT?

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES FROM THAT.
SETTLEMENTS FOR JUDGMENTS.
FUNDING IS PROHIBITED.
RESERVES.
AGAIN THE EMPHASIS IS ON GETTING THE FUNDING ON THE STREET
AS OPPOSED TO BE STOCKING IT AWAY IN A SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR A
RAINY DAY.
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S PERSPECTIVE, AND THE CITY'S
PERSPECTIVE, AND A LOT OF THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, THE RAINY
DAY IS HERE.
THAT'S WHY THIS MONEY IS BEING DISTRIBUTED.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE SIMILAR TO DEBT, OFF NUMBER OF LOCALITIES
OUT THEREBY ASKING, HEY, WE USED OUR RESERVES TO GET THROUGH
THE PANDEMIC, WHY CAN'T WE USE THIS TO REPLENISH THOSE
RESERVES? SO IT'S IN FLUX AND WE'LL SEE WHAT IF ANYTHING
COMES TO THAT.
PENSION DEPOSITS.
PENSION FUNDING WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE A NATIONWIDE
DISCUSSION.
RIGHT NOW, THIS FUNDING IS PROHIBITED FROM BOLSTERING ANY
PENSION PROGRAMS OR RESCUING FULLY FUNDED PROGRAMS.
THEN THE LAST ONE THERE, A LITTLE BIT LONGISH, NON-FEDERAL
MATCH WHERE PROHIBITED.
SO HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS
OF ALLOCATING THIS 80-PLUS MILLION DOLLAR?

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE FISCAL YEAR 22
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MEASURE WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU IN
JUST A FEW WEEKS, AS YOU CAN PROBABLY GUESS AND AS YOU SEE
ON SCREEN, IT ALL COMES BACK TO THE STRATEGIC GOALS.
AND WE TALK ABOUT THEM OFTEN.
THESE ARE TAKEN RIGHT OUT OF THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR THE
CURRENT YEAR, STRENGTHENING COMMUNITY CENTRIC SERVICES WHICH
OF COURSE INCLUDES PUBLIC SAFETY.
ENHANCING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
INCREASING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
IMPROVING INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
ESTABLISHING SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE.
AND OF COURSE KEEPING OUR EYES OPEN FOR POTENTIAL FINANCIAL
OPPORTUNITIES AND BEING MINDFUL OF OUR FINANCIAL
RESPONSIBILITIES.
OUR GOAL IS AND WILL BE TO TIE THE FUNDING TO THESE GOALS.
AND WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE, WE ARE REVIEWING THE MAYOR'S
OPERATORS.
WE ARE REVIEWING THE PRIORITIES YOU HAVE GIVEN TO US.
AGAIN THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTINUING FEEDBACK.
WE ARE ANALYZING OUR REVENUE LOSSES, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO
DO THAT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, I IMAGINE.
AND MAKING AN ESTIMATE OF FUTURE ECONOMIC RISK.
AGAIN, THIS FUNDING IS A LOT OF FUNDING BUT IT IS AN US THE
INTERESTED AND MEETS OUR NEEDS FROM THE PANDEMIC THROUGH

2024.
SO IT'S A LONG WAYS OUT.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, AS ALWAYS.
IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS, WE HAVE GOT A WONDERFUL FINANCE
TEAM THAT I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WE'LL GET THEM TO YOU.
16:28:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I SAW ON ONE OF THE SLIDES PUBLIC SAFETY IS WHAT WE ARE
ALLOWED TO INVEST IN POLICE, FAIR AND WHATNOT.
IS THAT CORRECT?
16:28:26 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
16:28:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS BEEN A CHAMPION
FOR THE FAIR DEPARTMENT, AND MOSTLY FIRE STATION 13, I
BELIEVE, AND NOT JUST THAT BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE NUMBERS OF CALLS THEY ARE GETTING.
THEY ARE OVERLOADED.
RESPONSE TIMES ON MANY 911 EMERGENCIES IS ALWAYS VERY
CRITICAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOKED AT THE COST OF A NEW FIRE STATION
OR EASING SOME OF THE BURDEN, BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE
BUSIEST IN THE COUNTRY.
SO I KNOW NOT TRYING TO STEEL ANYBODY'S THUNDER BUT I WOULD
CERTAINLY SUPPORT, SHOULD COUNCILMEMBER VIERA PUSH FOR THAT,
THE NEED FOR A NEW FIRE STATION OR WHAT WE CAN GO FROM

THERE.
WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE GETTING FROM THE
FEDERAL LEVEL, 60, 70, $80 MILLION?
16:29:18 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
80 MILLION, SIR.
YES, WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT RELIEVING THE BURDEN OF THE
FAIR DEPARTMENT, STATIONS, ET CETERA.
16:29:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MEAN, NOT MAKING A MOTION.
WE ARE JUST DISCUSSING HERE.
BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY BE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF OUR MOST CRITICAL ISSUES.
ESPECIALLY IT'S A LIFE AND DEATH SITUATION.
AND COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS BEEN A CHAMPION ON THIS FOR A LONG
TIME, VERY VOCAL, VERY SUPPORTIVE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE ADMINISTRATION REALLY NEEDS TO
LOOK AT.
THANK YOU.
16:29:50 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU FOR THAT SUPPORT, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
I APPRECIATE IT, SIR.
YES, THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE
EVER SINCE WE SAW THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET THIS MONEY.
WE HAVE TO GIVE THANKS TO OUR PARTNERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
INCLUDING CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR FOR BEING SUCH A
FERVENT ADVOCATE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE COMMUNITY
OVER HERE.

THIS MONEY IS BE A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO
INVEST IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
I WOULDN'T JUST PUT IN FIRE STATION 13.
WE HAVE TALKED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE DIFFERENT DEFICITS
THAT WE HAVE WITH REGARDS TO FIRE SAFETY.
STATION 13 IS ONE OUT OF 23 STATIONS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
THAT THE REGION PICKS UP ABOUT ONE OUT OF EVERY SEVEN CALLS,
GET OVER 10,000 CALLS A YEAR, ABOUT 30 CALLS A DAY ON
AVERAGE.
THE NEXT HIGHEST STATION I THINK IS STATION 11 THAT GETS
ABOUT 25% LESS.
IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.
I RECENTLY DID A DAY WHERE I SPENT ABOUT 14 HOURS THERE WITH
STATION 13, AND IT WAS JUST OUT OF CONTROL.
IT WAS A LOT OF FUN BUT IT WAS OUT OF CONTROL.
UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES REALLY EYE OPENING, IT GOES WITHOUT
SAYING.
BUT STATION 13 NEEDS HELP RIGHT NOW.
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW THIS.
AND UP ALL HAVE JUST BEEN AN AMAZING ADVOCATE AND PARTNER ON
THIS ISSUE.
WHEN COUNCILMAN GUDES BANGED THE DRUM REALLY HARD FOR EAST
TAMPA, YOU ALL WERE IMMEDIATELY THERE TO PROACTIVELY HELP.
THEN I STARTED TALKING ABOUT 13 WITH ADDITIONAL EMERGENCY
VEHICLES, YOU ALL DID THE VERY SAME THING SO I AM NOT

LECTURING YOU OWL ON SOMETHING THAT'S IN DISPUTE AT ALL.
BUT STATION 13 OBVIOUSLY NEEDS HELP.
WE HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT CHANNELSIDE, SOMETHING THAT
COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS ALSO BEEN CHAMPION A GREAT DEAL.
NEW TAMPA.
CHIEF BENNETT AND I AM WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, FOUR OUT OF
THE SIX STATIONS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH THE LONGEST
RESPONSE TIMES, 33647.
OBVIOUSLY SOUTH TAMPA, WE ALWAYS HEAR A LOT ABOUT EXPLODING
GROWTH IN SOUTH TAMPA, SOUTH OF GANDY.
I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES THERE.
EAST TAMPA CONTINUES TO HAVE CHALLENGES THERE.
AND OF COURSE WEST TAMPA THAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO
CHAMPIONED SO WELL WITH EXPANSIONS AND WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IT WE CONTINUE TO SEE CHALLENGES.
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, SOMETHING I TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY,
WAS THE DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE TAMPA
POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH ARE SO VERY COSTLY.
ONE OF THE REASONS FROM DAY ONE I HAVE ALWAYS SAID NO TO
DEFUNDING THE POLICE BECAUSE IF YOU ARE GOING IMPROVE TAMPA
POLICE DEPARTMENT IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY.
THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY POLICING.
THINGS LIKE COMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.
THINGS LIKE BODY CAM.
THINGS LIKE MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR COMING ALONG WITH TAMPA

POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THOSE THINGS COST MORE MONEY.
THIS IS A PRIME OPPORTUNITY TO PUT TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE WITH THE 21st CENTURY POLICE FORCE
IN TERMS OF KNOWING SOME OF THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT
WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE HERE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT
TO SEE AS A PRIORITIES, BUT THAT IN NO WAY TAKES OUT OUR
OTHER BASIC NEEDS WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE SUMMER JOBS,
AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, SOMETHING THAT OUR CHAIRMAN
HAS BEEN -- I SAY THIS POSITIVELY -- A WRECKING BALL ON
DOING JUST A GREAT JOB.
WE CAN REALLY HAVE AN ALL OF THE ABOVE APPROACH HERE.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST -- AND THIS COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SAID
THAT, WITH AN EMPHASIS ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHATNOT: I WILL
BE MAKING A MOTION ON THAT.
WE HAVE ALREADY DEALT WITH THAT ISSUE.
BUT JUST TO CONTINUE TO STRESS THAT.
THIS CAN BE THE TIME IN WHICH WE TAKE CARE OF OUR FIRE NEEDS
AND HELP TO PUT THAT COMMUNITY EMPHASIS THAT WE WANT ON
POLICING FOR CHANGES SO MANY FOLKS SUPPORT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:33:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
16:33:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO.
I APPRECIATE THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S
FOCUSED.

MY NUMBER ONE GOAL IS WE DON'T SPEND IT ON FRIVOLOUS THINGS
LIKE $12 MILLION BOAT HOUSES SO IF WE CAN AVOID THAT.
WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS IN THE CITY THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO
SPEND MONEY ON THINGS THAT WE DON'T NEED.
TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SAID ABOUT FAIR, AND
PARAMEDIC, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES IN SOUTH TAMPA
EITHER AT THE STATIONS WE HAVE.
THEY NEED SMALLER VEHICLES, NOT JUST THE BUG FAIR ENGINES TO
GO TO RESPOND TO A HELP ISSUE.
AND WE NEED MORE FACILITIES THERE, TOO.
AT LEAST ONE OF THE -- THERE ARE TWO IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT
ALSO ARE MARITIME FAIR RESCUE PEOPLE, AND WHEN THEY ARE
CALLED AWAY, THAT MEANS THAT THE OTHER STATIONS HAVE TO GO
FROM A FAR DISTANCE TO RESCUE PEOPLE.
AND AS YOU KNOW MINUTES COUNT.
AND WE NEED TO TRY TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE SO THAT WE CAN SAVE
LIVES SO I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THAT.
ALSO, YOU MENTIONED THAT IN THE INTANGIBLES THAT MONEY COULD
BE USED TO REPLACE THE RESERVE.
EVERY YEAR I TALK ABOUT THE RESERVE BALANCE.
IN YOUR LAST -- IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE?
IN YOUR LAST SLIDE WAS ONE OF YOUR OPERATORS, I THINK IT
SAID FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITIES.
WOULD YOU INCLUDE THERE AS A FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITY TO
REPLACE THE RESERVE?

16:35:12 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I WOULD, SIR, THANK YOU.
AND I WILL GO TOPPING THAT LAST SLIDE NOW.
I HOPE YOU CAN SEE IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, AND AGAIN I APPRECIATE YOU AS BEING CHAMPIONS
OF OUR FUND BALANCE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS TIME THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS PROHIBITING US FROM OUR RESERVES.
AGAIN THEY ARE GETTING PUSHBACK FROM OTHER LOCALITIES SO IT
MAY CHANGE.
IT REALLY IS IN FLUX RIGHT NOW AS OF THIS MOMENT IT'S
INAPPLICABLE.
16:35:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF IT CHANGES I THINK THAT'S CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S AROUND THE CORNER.
THE ECONOMY IS IN FLUX.
A YEAR AGO, TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE SITTING HERE THINKING IF
WE COULD PUT A LITTLE BIT IN THE RESERVE FUND TO REPLACE
WHAT THE LAST ADMINISTRATION RAIDED, WE COULD MAYBE PREVENT
FROM HAVING PROBLEMS, AND WE DID THAT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO
PROTECT OURSELVES.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN SOMETHING ELSE IS COMING.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL LOOKING AT THINGS.
16:36:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.
16:36:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYMORE AGREEMENT WITH ALL MY COLLEAGUES
HERE, BUT THERE'S ONE THING I ALSO WANT TO ADD.
DENNIS, CAN WE ALSO SPEND SOME OF THE WONDERFUL MONEY ON
DESPERATELY NEEDED SIDEWALKS, ESPECIALLY AROUND SCHOOLS?

16:36:29 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
RIGHT NOW AGAIN, IN KEEPING WITH THOSE STRATEGIC GOALS, A
SIGNIFICANT PORTION TO INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY.
16:36:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BECAUSE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS NO
LONGER HAVING CHILDREN BEING BUSSED IN IF YOU LIVE WITHIN
TWO MAILS OF SCHOOL, IF YOU DRAW A TWO MILE RADIUS AROUND
MOST OF OUR SCHOOLS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THEY WILL
OVERLAP ONE ANOTHER.
THESE SIDEWALKS ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE SCHOOLCHILDREN WALKING IN THE STREETS TO
SCHOOL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
16:37:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER.
16:37:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, DENNIS.
SO EVERYBODY HAS SORT OF GOT THEIR LAUNDRY LIST AND THEIR
DRUTHERS AND THAT SORTED OF THING.
BUT I AM MORE CURIOUS ABOUT PROCESS AT THIS POINT.
WHAT WILL THE PROCESS BE?
WILL THESE THINGS JUST BE LUMPED INTO OUR ANNUAL BUDGET?
AND THEN PAID FOR ACCORDINGLY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
OR WILL THIS BE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION TO COUNCIL WITH SOME COLLABORATION THEREWITH?
OR HAVE YOU GUYS COME UP WITH A STRATEGY ON THAT?
16:37:43 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
RIGHT NOW, WE ENVISION -- AND THE TIMING IS PRETTY
FORTUITOUS -- THAT PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 22 RECOMMENDED
BUDGET THAT THE MAYOR WILL PRESENT TO YOU.
AGAIN, NOT ONLY WILL WE CONCENTRATE ON THE STRATEGIC GOALS,
BUT THIS IS ONE-TIME FUNDING, NONRECURRING FUNDING.
SO WE WILL LOOK TO PRIORITIZE THOSE THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE
RECURRING EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM ALSO.
BIG TICKET ITEMS, BIG SPENDING.
OF DOORS COURSE, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS START FUNDING
THINGS THAT 80 MILLION-DOLLAR NOW BUT OVER THE COURSE OF
HALF A DECADE WILL BE 200 MILLION, FOR EXAMPLE.
BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WILL
CONTINUE WITH YOU AND OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE'LL
INCORPORATE THE ALLOCATIONS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 22
RECOMMENDED BUDGET, AND THEN UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR
COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND TAKE ACTION ON.
16:38:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I SEE MR. BENNETT THERE AS WELL.
I WOULD URGE, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO KEEP COMING UP, AND
SOMETIMES THE TWO-VOLUME BUDGET BACK IS DIFFICULT TO SORT
THROUGH, LET'S SAY, AND FIND THINGS AT A GLASS, SO IF YOU
GUYS -- OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL COME UP WITH $80 MILLION OF
RECOMMENDATION IF YOU COULD PULL IT OUT.
IN ADDITION TO INCLUDING IT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, PULL IT
OUT AS A SEPARATE PAGE, SO WE CAN SEE IT SEPARATELY,

OTHERWISE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DELVE INTO IT.
SO I AM SURE THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY ALL SEVEN MEMBERS
HERE AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY, OF COURSE.
I JUST WANTED TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO AND VIERA WERE SAY BEING FAIR.
I DON'T THINK I HEARD SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE HAVE SEEN OVER
THE LAST YEAR REPORTS ABOUT FIRE TRUCKS AND FIRE EQUIPMENT
THAT WE ARE VERY FAR BEHIND ON REPLACING.
AND KEEPING UP WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF FIRE TRUCKS AND
EQUIPMENT.
AND I THINK THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT SOME OF THESE MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS ARE AVAILABLE, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S
INCLUDED ON THE LIST.
AND THEN AS OUR CHAIRMAN HAS REMINDED US OVER AND OVER, WE
CAN'T FORGET AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS PERENNIALLY AN UNFUNDED NEED OR
UNDERFUNDED NEED, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS
THAT, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT NEED, AND SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY
THAT IS LIKE -- WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREETS FOR
OBVIOUS REASONS.
ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS.
I APPRECIATE IT.
16:40:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH THE PROCESS, AND I HAVE
SAID IT BEFORE, THAT ONE MORE BITE AT THE C.I.T., AND THEN
AFTER THAT MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE COMING DOWN THE LINE THAT

COULD BE USED FOR THE EQUIPMENT, SPECIFICALLY IN FAIR, AND
GOING TO NEED REPLACEMENT, I'M SURE.
AND YOU WANT TO THANK MR. CITRO FOR JOINING THE ELECTRIC CAR
SOCIETY.
SO HERE WE ARE.
AND I THINK DENNIS WILL PRESENT THE PROCESS, INCLUDED AS A
SEPARATE ITEM THAT WAS INDICATED EARLIER BY COUNCILMAN
DINGFELDER, OR SENT THE ITEM DIRECTLY TO US ON THE $80
MILLION THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE CITY WHERE THE EXPENDITURES
ARE GOING TO BE.
16:41:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, LET ME SAY THIS.
AND THE CHIEF IS THERE.
MR. VIERA, I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF, AND
CHIEF TRIPP IN REFERENCE TO FEWER RESCUE.
WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION IN REFERENCE TO THAT.
AND HOW THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS
TO BRING THOSE ADDED -- MAYBE NOT BIG TRUCKS BUT ALL THE
BELLS AND WHISTLES, BUT ADEQUATE TRUCKS THAT WE CAN USE
THAT'S NOT COSTING AS MUCH IF WE BAY IT AND PURCHASE IT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, I'M A VISUAL GUY.
I LOOK AT THE NEED.
SOMETIMES DATA DOESN'T MATCH THE NEEDS, THE NUMBERS.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE HAVE MORE
MEDICAL CALLS THAN WE DO FIRE CALLS.
WE NEED STATIONS IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.

SO FIRE IS A CONCERN OF MINE.
AND I MADE THAT CLEAR TO CHIEF OF STAFF MAKING SURE THAT
THAT'S IN THE BUDGET SOMEHOW SOME WHERE.
BUT AS MR. DINGFELDER SAID, FIRE IS A BIG ITEM.
BUT YOUR BIG TICKET ITEM RIGHT NOW IS HOUSING.
WE DON'T HAVE A FUND THAT IS NONSUBSIDIZED.
$80 MILLION.
$80 MILLION, SOME OF THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE USED WITH REHAB
IN SOME OF THE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, TO WHERE THERE ARE
SMALL GRANTS OR WHATEVER SO PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR ROOFS DONE,
PAINT, FENCING, AND HAVING A PLACE TO LIVE.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT -- AND I KNOW MR. VIERA
TALKED ABOUT POLICE, AND HE'S RIGHT ABOUT SOME NEEDS.
BUT THIS BUDGET HERE, NOT TAKING AWAY AT THE POLICE, BUT
THIS BUDGET HERE TRULY NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON HOUSING AND
FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE YOUR TWO PERENNIAL THINGS FOR $80
MILLION.
YOU CAN DO A LOT.
AND SOME OF THAT WON'T BE REOCCURRING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF YOU ARE PUTTING
THE MONEY OUT, I'M JUST SAYING, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH
THE CHIEF OF STAFF COMING UP SOON IN REFERENCE TO THE CRA
EAST TAMPA ABOUT SPENDING THEIR MONEY AS WELL, GETTING THAT
MONEY OUT THERE, WE DON'T NEED TO SIT ON MONEY.

WE NEED TO SPEND IT.
SO THOSE ARE MY TWO TOPICS RIGHT NOW, IS THAT HOUSING, AND
THE FAIR DEPARTMENT.
BUT FOR ME, HOUSING HAS TO BE NUMBER ONE BECAUSE AGAIN
PEOPLE FEEL SAFE IN THAT YOU ARE HOME HAVE, A PLACE TO LIVE,
AND MORE SUCCESSFUL WHEN THEY ARE HOME.
AND I SAW SOME IDEAS THAT I TALKED ABOUT WHEN I FIRST WENT
TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND MR. MANISCALCO, WE WOULDN'T OUT
THERE AND SAW THEM SO GET PEOPLE TO WALK THE STREETS.
SO WE HAVE TO DO SOME MORE INNOVATIVE THINGS, NOT DO WE WHAT
WE USED TO DO BUT SOME OUT-OF-BOX THINKING.
I GOT NONPROFITS ALREADY CALLED ME ABOUT THIS MONEY ALREADY
ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND ALL KIND OF
STUFF.
SO PEOPLE KNOW WE HAVE THIS MONEY.
WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE RIGHT THINGS WITH IT.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
16:45:29 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS HERE ON CITY
COUNCIL WHICH IS TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE PUBLIC SOFT
NEEDS AND TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF OUR HUMAN SOCIAL WELFARE
NEEDS ON THINGS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THINGS LIKE SUMMER
JOBS, THINGS LIKE CITY SERVICE PROGRAMS.
I TALKED ABOUT HAVING A CITY-WIDE YOUTH PROGRAM IN AREAS
LIKE EAST TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, UNIVERSITY AREA, WEST
TAMPA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

WE CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THIS MONEY WAS PUT INTO PLACE
TO HELP LOCAL COMMUNITIES AFFECTED BY COAST AND AFTER
EFFECTS.
WE CAN DO THAT WHILE TAKING CARE OF SOME OF OUR LONG-TERM
UNADDRESSED NEEDS IN OUR CITY WESTBOUND MANY PEOPLE WHO
LACKED A VOICE FOR FAR TOO LONG.
I THINK WE DO HAVE A CONSENSUS IN THIS COUNCIL.
16:46:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CHIEF, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
16:46:25 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
OBVIOUSLY, I JUST WANT TO BE HERE TO SUPPORT MR. ROGERO'S
PRESENTATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FIRSTHAND COUNCIL'S
FEEDBACK.
I APPRECIATE THE CONTINUED INTEREST IN EQUITABLE AND
EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE DELIVERY OF SAFETY SERVICES.
AS CHAIRMAN GUDES MENTIONED, AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN VIERA'S
PASSION AS WELL AS EVERYBODY'S, ABOUT MAKING SURE OUR FIRE
AND MEDICAL EMS SERVICES ARE GIVEN CITY-WIDE AT THE SAME
LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND I JUST WANT TOPPED SAY, BECAUSE CHIEF TRIPP IS ON
MISSION, THAT HER AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING.
WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WEAKLY, AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT, I GUESS,
COMPARTMENTS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE FAIR BUDGET THAT WE ARE
FOCUSED ON, LEVEL OF SERVICE, MAKING SURE IT'S EQUITABLE,
MAKING SURE THAT THE PERSONNEL -- PERSONNEL, SAFETY AND
HEALTH AND WELFARE ARE PARAMOUNT. SO WORKLOAD ANALYSIS IS

GOING ON.
RESPONSE TIME ANALYSIS WAS GOING ON.
DEFERRED VEHICLES AND MAINTENANCE IS GOING ON.
DEFERRED FACILITY MAINTENANCE.
AND I'M SO PROUD OF CHIEF TRIPP GOING STATION BY STATION
DOING PUNCH LIST WORK WITH MS. COLINA.
ALL THESE THINGS CHANGED THE FEELING AND THE LEVEL OF
SERVICE IN THE MIND AND HEARTS OF THOSE FAIR EMPLOYEES.
THE NEW STATION ANALYSIS BASED ON OUR GROWTH, AND LAND
ACQUISITION OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, MR. ROGERO AND I AND HIS OFFICES
ARE LOOKING AT THE BILLING SIDE OF THESE EQUATIONS AND HOW
REVENUE DOES IMPACT THE FAIR BUDGET.
SO WE ARE DOING A REAL WIDE VIEW OF ALL THESE THINGS AND WE
ARE REALLY GOING TO BE EXCITED TO BRING THAT PLAN AND THOSE
DIFFERENT FUNDING EXTREMES IN THE BUDGET THAT THE MAYOR WILL
FRONT YOU SHORTLY.
THANK YOU.
16:48:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE MR. ROGERO?
16:48:30 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ROGERO NO, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU.
16:48:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
ITEM 110.
WE HAVE A CONTINUOUSLY ASKED BY ABBYE FEELEY, TEXT

ENDMENT.
16:48:45 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
COUNCIL?
ABBYE FEELEY, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WANTED -- YOU HEARD FROM CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND
STEPHANIE POYNOR THIS MORNING ABOUT BEING OUT OF TOWN AT
THAT DATE AND I WANTED TO SEE IF IT WAS POSSIBLE IF WE COULD
CONTINUE THAT TO SEPTEMBER IN LIEU OF AUGUST IN ORDER TO
ALLOW LACHONE AND I TO SET UP SOME MEETINGS WITH THEM AND GO
OVER THAT LANGUAGE AND HAVE THAT WORKED OUT WITH YOU IN
SEPTEMBER.
16:49:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT IN SEPTEMBER?
16:49:28 >>LUIS VIERA:
SEPTEMBER 10th AND SEPTEMBER 30th.
16:49:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS SEPTEMBER 30th GOOD?
16:49:35 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SURE.
16:49:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I MOVE SEPTEMBER 30th.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, MS. FEELEY, AND TALKING ABOUT THIS
WITH MR. SHELBY, TYPICALLY WE HAVE GOT THE CYCLES.
IN REGARD TO AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 27.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK MR. SHELBY AND I NOTED THAT THIS
IS A PROCEDURAL AMENDMENT, CHAPTER 27, WHERE THE CYCLE
DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLY.
SO I AM WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS OFF AND IT MIGHT BE
OFFCYCLE, BUT AT LEAST OUR HUMBLE OPINIONS ARE THAT WE CAN
COME IN ONCYCLE SINCE THEY ARE PROCEDURAL AMENDMENT, NOT
SUBSTANTIVE AMENDMENT.

16:50:21 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
16:50:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SEPTEMBER 30th.
16:50:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
MR. SHELBY AND GENTLEMEN, I WOULD LIKE TO GET NUMBER 99 OUT
OF THE WAY.
WE CAN DO HOUSECLEANING.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET HER OUT OF THE WAY IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I APOLOGIZE.
WE JUST HAD A FULL HOUSE TODAY.
16:50:51 >> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, CHAIR.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
NUMBER 99 IS BEFORE YOU PETITION FAILED BY JOHN LUM, THE
APPLICANT.
THE SPECIAL USE 1 GENERAL REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 3014 WEST HORATIO STREET, SEEKING REVIEW OF THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION DENYING THE DWELLING SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED USE WHICH REQUESTED RELIEF FROM SECTION 27-132.
EARLIER, I PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH THE COPY OF THE HEARING
PROCEDURES FOR TODAY'S REVIEW AS WELL AS MOTIONS AND THE
RELEVANT CODE SECTIONS REGARDING THIS PETITION FOR REVIEW.

FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL HAS A DE NOVO
REVIEW MEANING YOU ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE RECORD CREATED BY
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
INSTEAD YOU WOULD TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE
AND MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON THE APPLICATION MEETING THE
CRITERIA SET FORTH IN CODE SECTION 27-1392.
MR. ERIC COTTON WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE RELIEF
REQUESTED, AND THE APPLICATION AND THE BASIS FOR THE CITY'S
DECISION.
AFTER CONSIDERING ALL THE EVIDENCE, I WILL INTRODUCE THE
RECORD OF TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL MAY UPHOLD THE
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION AND DENY THE SPECIAL USE
APPLICATION, OR COUNCIL MAY OVERTURN THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION, AND THEREBY APPROVE THE
APPLICATION FOR SPECIAL USE.
I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO MR. COTTON WHO WILL PROVIDE
FURTHER INFORMATION REGARDING THIS PETITION FOR REVIEW.
AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
16:52:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. COTTON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
16:52:35 >>ERIC COTTON:
I NEED TO BE SWORN.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
16:52:42 >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, MA'AM.
MAY YOU SHARE MY SCREEN FOR THE PRESENTATION?
DID YOU ALL SEE THE PRESENTATION?
THANK YOU.

THIS IS A SPECIAL USE SU-1-21-38.
THE APPLICANT WAS JOHN LUM FOR PROPERTY AT 3014 WEST HORATIO
STREET.
THE APPLICATION, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
THE APPLICANT WAS ASKING FOR DWELLING SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED.
BASICALLY TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE TWO STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET UNDER THIS
SPECIAL USE CRITERIA, A COLLECTOR ROAD AND MEETING THE RM-24
STANDARD FOR THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
THE REQUEST WAS DENIED BECAUSE IT'S A LOCAL STREET, THEIR
ONLY ACCESS, THE QUARTERBACK T SETBACKS ARE 28 -- REQUIRED
ARE 28 FEET IN THE FRONT, 10 ON THE SIDES, 23 IN THE REAR.
THE APPLICANT HAS 17 IN THE FRONT, 17 ON THE SIDES, 38 IN
THE REAR.
AS A RESULT FOR THOSE TWO ISSUES, I DENIED THE REQUEST.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
THIS IS SELF-STORAGE.
THIS IS AN EXISTING ALF.
AND OVER HERE IS THE TOWERS.
THIS IS ABOUT A THREE STORY BUILDING.
I HAVE SOME PICTURES.
AND THEN THE TOWERS IS ABOUT 8 OR 9 STORIES TALL.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACKS
ARE BASICALLY MEETING COMMERCIAL GENERAL SETBACKS, NOT THE

RM-24 STANDARD.
A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING SITE.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET.
IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST THE APPLICANT STILL
NEEDS TO GET A WAIVER TO SECTION 27-282.9 WHICH ARE IS THE
DEVELOPMENT STANDARD FOR THE PROPERTY FOR TOWN HOME
DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFIC STANDARD THEY HAVE TO MEET.
THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
16:55:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
16:55:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE SLIDE YOU HAVE UP -- NO, NO.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR GETTING THAT WAIVER?
IS THAT INCLUDED IN OUR MOTION TODAY IF WE WERE TO APPROVE
IT?
16:55:38 >>ERIC COTTON:
IT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN AN
ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
IT'S NOT A SPECIAL USE CRITERIA. IF COUNCIL IS INCLINED TO
APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE TODAY, AND GRANT THE TWO WAIVERS, WE
WILL APPROVE THE REQUEST THAT'S BEFORE, THAT COMES AS A
DESIGN EXCEPTION, IT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS.
16:55:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
16:55:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
THE APPLICANT?
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

16:56:11 >> IS THE MICROPHONE NOW ON?
16:56:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
16:56:16 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I HAVE BEEN SWORN PREVIOUSLY.
IT WAS A PLEASURE SPENDING THE DAY WITH YOU TODAY.
THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY.
16:56:27 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WE ALL KNOW WHO HE IS BUT CAN HE STATE HIS NAME FOR THE
RECORD, PLEASE?
16:56:35 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING PETITIONER
FOR 3014 HORATIO STREET.
16:56:41 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
16:56:42 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL
AND MULTIFAMILY.
IT'S ZONED CG.
AND THE TOWNHOUSES ARE ALLOWED UNDER A SPECIAL DESIGN
EXCEPTION.
AND THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS ON HORATIO WHICH REQUIRES
THE WAIVER FOR THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA TO BE ON A COLLECTOR,
AS ALREADY POINTED OUT.
IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
IT HAS THE SAME BASIC SETBACKS AS THE PROPERTIES ALONG THE
SAME SIDE OF THE STREET, AND ACROSS THE STREET AND DOWN THE
STREET.
WE ARE TRYING TO INTRODUCE, AS I SAID, A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT
INTO AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS IT, THE JEWISH TOWERS IS TEN

STORIES, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY NEXT DOOR IS TWO STORIES,
THERE ARE OTHER THREE-STORY AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET
THERE'S A SINGLE-STORY BUILDING.
SO WE ARE NOT INTRODUCING A CONCEPT THAT IS UNIQUE TO THIS
AREA.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TOWNHOUSE PROJECTS WITHIN THE SEVERAL
BLOCKS AROUND HERE.
WE ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THE SECTION THAT CAMARIA HAS
INDICATED WHICH IS 27-132.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU CAN TELL YOU.
WE HAVE A COMPATIBLE DESIGN.
IT'S NOT BLAZING ANY NEW TERRITORY.
WE BELIEVE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
IT ALSO DOES NOT IMPACT ANY OFF-SITE OR ADJACENT
SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES.
IT'S AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR AN IN-FILL PROJECT.
WE STILL HAVE TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF THE ONES THAT IF YOU GRANT THE WAIVER, WE STILL
HAVE TO FILE FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION TO ERIC COTTON'S
OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REGULAR STANDARD ARE MET.
SO I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT WE THINK THE
PROJECT IS A VIABLE PROJECT.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT CREATING A HARDSHIP FOR ANYONE ELSE.
WE NOTICED FOR THE HEARING.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY POLICE FROM ANY OF THE PROPERTY
OWNERS THAT WERE NOTICED.
AND WE POSTED THE PROPERTY.
SO WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS WHATSOEVER REGARDING OPPOSITION
OR ANY CONCERN.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK THE STAFF CAN'T WAIVE THESE SECTIONS BY RIGHT.
THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR WAIVING.
SO WE COULD PRESENT THE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT I
JUST GAVE YOU, WHICH WAS IT'S ON A COMMERCIAL STREET, IT'S
ADJACENT TO OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, BUT THE STAFF DID
NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THOSE CRITERIA.
SO I AM RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL.
16:59:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
16:59:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO QUESTIONS.
I WILL JUST ONCE AGAIN AGREE WITH MR. MICHELINI.
THAT SECTION OF HORATIO IS VERY CLOSE TO MacDILL.
I CAN'T PICTURE ANY SINGLE-FAMILY USE ALONG THAT ENTIRE
BLOCK.
IT'S A MIXED USE.
THERE ARE SOME OFFICES THERE.
THERE'S A MEMORIAL HOSPITAL NEARBY, JEWISH TOWERS IS NEARBY,
THE ACLF IS NEARBY.
AND THEN ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MacDILL, MR.

MICHELINI AND HUTS CLIENTS HAVE BUILT A VERY SIMILAR
PRODUCT.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS IN THE
COMMUNITY.
AND I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT.
AND I ASSUME THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS THERE TO SPEAK.
I APOLOGIZE IF THERE IS.
17:00:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE NEED TO VERIFY THAT.
17:00:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
17:00:47 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I'M THE LONE RANGER HERE.
17:00:48 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE HAS REGISTERED.
17:00:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED TO CLOSE.
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
17:01:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATION DENIAL.
I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF THE
APPLICATION SU-21-38 BECAUSE THE PETITIONER IS CONSISTENT
WITH THE OFFICE OF GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION
27-132, 27-129, AND 27-130.
MR. MICHELINI STATED THAT THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS FROM
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
IT'S ON A COMMERCIAL ROAD.

AND AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER THINGS HE STATED.
I THINK THIS SHOULD BE OVERTURNED, AND GIVEN TO THE
PETITIONER FOR APPROVAL.
17:01:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SECOND.
17:01:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL.
17:01:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
17:02:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
17:02:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
17:02:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
17:02:07 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
17:02:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
17:02:09 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
17:02:13 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
17:02:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WE ARE SORT OF BACKED UP.
ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN.
THE LAST ITEM ON THE EVENING NOW, ITEM.
AND YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. SHELBY.
111.
17:02:44 >> I DID PROVIDE A RESOLUTION THAT I DISTRIBUTED TO YOU.
AND IT'S PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
17:02:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DO YOU WANT TO READ YOUR SPIEL?
17:03:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO YOU WANT TO HAND IT?

17:03:19 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PASS
THIS RESOLUTION THAT UNFORTUNATELY TO MAKE IT A RESOLUTION
YOU HAVE TO ADD IN ALL THIS STUFF AT THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM,
BUT THE SUBSTANCE OF IT IS SECTION 1 THAT SAYS THE CITY
COUNCIL, CITY OF TAMPA FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN
THEIR EFFORTS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
17:03:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. CARLSON.
SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
ANY DISCUSSION?
17:03:48 >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AND I WILL GIVE MY REASONS.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOT SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE OF CUBA.
THE AMERICANS OF CUBAN DESCENT.
WHEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON MADE HIS MOTION HE SAID IT'S GOING
TO BE A ONE-SENTENCE RESOLUTION.
SAYING THAT WE WERE GOING TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE OF CUBA.
IN SECTION 2 IT SAYS PROPER OFFICES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE
HEREBY AUTHORIZED.
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT POWER TO AUTHORIZE THE OFFICERS OF
TAMPA.
THINGS NECESSARY AND PROPER, DO ALL THINGS NECESSARY AND
PROPER.
I THINK THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE OUTLINED.
THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION.
17:04:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CITRO, ON PAGE

2 OF THE MOTION THAT YOU VOTED FOR THIS MORNING, SECTION 2,
MR. VIERA'S MOTION, SAYS THE EXACT SAME THING.
APPARENTLY THAT'S JUST STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT WE PUT ON ALL
OF OUR RESOLUTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
THIS IS NOTHING SPECIAL.
17:05:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M CONFUSED.
EVERYTHING IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS IN THIS MOTION HERE.
17:05:10 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD, PLEASE.
I AGREE WITH MR. CITRO.
I DON'T LIKE SECTION 2 AND 3 EITHER BUT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
SAID TO MAKE AT RESOLUTION YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
I AM HAPPY JUST HAVING ONE SENTENCE AND WE CAN APPROVE ONE
SENTENCE AS A STATEMENT.
BUT IF WE WANT TO CALL AT RESOLUTION IT HAS TO HAVE THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I OBJECTED TO IN THE OTHER
RESOLUTION EARLIER THIS MORNING.
AND JUST FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND THE PUBLIC, I THINK THESE
ARE SIMILAR BUT THEY DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I THINK THIS HAS A CLEAR SIMPLE STATEMENT, AND WITHOUT ALL
THE OTHER WORDS IN THE OTHER ONE, AND IT PROVIDES A SIMPLE
STATEMENT THAT FOLKS CAN USE AND ALSO THE ONE THAT WAS
APPROVED THIS MORNING.
BUT I THINK THEY ARE DIFFERENT.
IF YOU ALL KNOW A LEGAL WAY TO GET RID OF THOSE TWO SECTIONS

I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE JUST ONE SENTENCE.
17:06:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. SHELBY?
17:06:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HE RAN.
HE RAN!
[ LAUGHTER ]
17:06:12 >> HE WENT NEXT DAR TO ASK THEM TO QUIET DOWN.
17:06:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL.
WEED IT EARLIER IN THE MORNING.
AND I TRUST BUT VERIFY.
WHAT IS IT NOW?
17:06:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO I KNOW AT THE BOTTOM NUMBER 2.
SECTION TWO, ALL POWERS OF THE OFFICERS.
NOW THEREFORE.
17:06:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK ANYTIME WE DO A RESOLUTION IT
HAS THE SAME LANGUAGE.
17:06:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I STAND CORRECTED.
I APOLOGIZE.
17:07:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS APPROVED AS TO FORM THE CITY OF TAMPA
SINCE THE TIME I HAVE WORKED HERE I WOULD SWEAR THIS IS THE
FORM OF A RESOLUTION.
IT IS AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT.
CERTAINLY, AS A RESULT OF PASSAGE OF THIS RESOLUTION, THE
CITY CLERK HAS TO NOT ONLY SIGN IT BUT ASSIGN A NUMBER, AND

ALSO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO BE ABLE TO PERPETUATE IT AND
PRODUCE IT IF IT HAS TO.
SO IN THAT SENSE, IT WOULD BE PREFERENTIAL TO TAN OUT THAT
LANGUAGE AND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE -- THAT'S THE WAY I
WAS INSTRUCTED.
17:07:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON AND
MR. CITRO THAT WHAT THIS MEANS WHAT WE PASSED ON BOTH THE
ONES, BOTH OF THEM, BOTH RESOLUTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT.
THE OFFICER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
DOES IT MANY DEPARTMENT HEADS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
17:08:05 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I THINK MR. SHELBY JUST TOUCHED ON -- SHE
HAS TO RECORD IT, MAKE IT AVAILABLE.
SO I THINK THAT LANGUAGE, MY UNDERSTANDING, UNDER THE
CIRCUMSTANCES CATCH-ALL LANGUAGE, IN ANY GIVEN RESOLUTION
THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS TO TAKE,
DEPENDING ON THE SUBJECT OF THE RESOLUTION, WHETHER IT'S
APPROVING AN AGREEMENT, WHETHER THERE NEED TO BE FOLLOW-UP.
SO RATHER THAN SPELLING OUT EVERY SINGLE STEP, IT'S A
CATCH-ALL THAT WHATEVER ACTIONS MAY BE NECESSARY TO EFFECT
KUWAIT IT, BUT AGAIN, I THINK MR. SHELBY JUST GAVE YOU AN
EXAMPLE, AND THE CITY CLERK FOR ANY RESOLUTION HAS TO AGAIN
GIVE IT A NUMBER, RECORD IT, ARCHIVE IT.
17:09:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I STAND CORRECTED.
I THINK THAT CATCH-ALL PHRASE CAN BE VERY MISLEADING.

DOES THAT CATCH-ALL PHRASE INCLUDE DEPARTMENT HEADS SUCH AS
TPD, SUCH AS -- SO IT'S ALMOST CONTRADICTORY.
AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES.
17:09:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO.
17:09:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU ARE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
17:09:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
WAS THERE A SECOND?
OKAY.
17:09:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
17:09:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
17:09:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
17:09:44 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
17:09:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
17:09:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
17:09:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
17:09:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
17:09:49 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
17:09:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 111.
CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN BENNETT IS ON THE LINE TO DISCUSS THAT
ITEM.
17:10:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU ARE ON, JOHN BENNETT.
17:10:14 >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
I'M HERE, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
JUST WANT TO BE HERE TO SUPPORT ANY DISCUSSION AROUND
CONTINUATION OF CMT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ORIGINAL WAS TO GO BACK TO
WHAT WE WOULD CALL NORMAL BUSINESS, WITH THE GOVERNOR'S
ORDER EXPIRING I BELIEVE ON JOHN 26th.
MS. ZELMAN ASK CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.
AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION FROM THE PUBLIC AND
COUNCIL.
SO WE ARE HERE TO STAND BY ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUESTS
TO SUPPORT CONTINUATION OF CMT OR OTHER WAYS.
17:10:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARDS TO POSSIBLY
CONTINUING THE CMT AND VIRTUAL HYBRID, WHATEVER IT IS, THE
ONLY WAY THAT I WOULD SUPPORT IT IS IF WE SOME S TO GUFF
HELP TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, I KNOW SULING IS HERE, AND AN
TREMENDOUS EFFORT ORGANIZING PEOPLE, MOVING THEM OVER WHEN
WE HAVE THE RECORDED MESSAGES GOING THROUGH ALL THE VOICE
MAILS AND EVERYTHING.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD EITHER BRING SOMEBODY ELSE ONBOARD,
OR PUT US UNDER THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
THIS IS A SITUATION THAT WE DIDN'T EXPECT, BECAUSE OF THE
PANDEMIC.
AND NOW THAT THINGS ARE GOING BACK TO AS THEY WERE, I KNOW
PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC, SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKED THAT WE
CONTINUE THIS.
BUT IF WE ARE TO DO SO, I THINK WE NEED MORE SUPPORT THAN
THE CLERK'S OFFICE SO THEY ARE NOT AS OVER WORKED AS THEY
ARE NOW.

17:11:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK WE ASKED FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO
LOOK AT ADDING SOME HELP TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR THE
UPCOMING OCTOBER 1.
IS THAT CORRECT, CHIEF?
17:12:05 >>JOHN BENNETT:
YOU ARE CORRECT, CHAIRMAN.
WE HAVE MET WITH MS. FOXX-KNOWLES AND SOME OF HER STAFF
WITH, HR AND THE CFO, AND WE ARE DOING AN ASSESSMENT.
I WILL JUST POINT OUT TO YOU, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S
COMMENTS THAT DEPENDING ON COUNCIL'S WISHES ON THE
CONTINUOUS CMT, MAYBE YOU CAN INTO THE FISCAL YEAR NEED TO
LOOK AT ANY EXPENSES NOT JUST OF THE DUTIES THAT MAY NEED
RIGHT SIZING WITHOUT CMT.
SO THOSE EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY BUT AGAIN WE ARE STANDING BY.
17:12:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
17:12:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
I BELIEVE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE
PUBLIC ACCESS.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF TRADE-OFF TO THIS TEMPORARY MEASURE
THAT WAS PUT IN.
IF WE DO SOMETHING, I THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE IT -- BECAUSE
WE DON'T KNOW THE COST OR THE ABILITY TO DO IT, AND BECAUSE
IF WE DID IT AS A TEMPORARY MEASURE DURING A PANDEMIC, I
THINK WE OUGHT TO REVIEW IT FOR A SET PERIOD OF TIME THAT
WOULD HAVE AN AUTOMATIC EXPIRATION, AND THEN WE COULD ALWAYS
EXTEND IT IF WE WANT.
BUT THEN IT WOULD HAVE AN OUGHT YUCK EXPIRATION BECAUSE IT'S

NOT SOMETHING THE CITY HAS EVER PLANNED OR REALLY DONE.
BUT NUMBER TWO AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO
CMT, ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE VIDEO.
IT CAN'T BE THAT WE ONLY HAVE VIDEO FOR LAND USE ISSUES,
BECAUSE THE VIDEO IS A PROXY FOR BEING HERE IN PERSON.
AND AS WE SAID IN OTHER MEETINGS, WE GET HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS
AND HUNDREDS OF CALLS.
I HAVE GOTTEN PROBABLY A HUNDRED CALLS FROM PEOPLE IN MAIM.
WE GET HUNDREDS OF CALLS, AND WE GET HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS.
WE READ ALL OF THEM.
WE LISTEN TO ALL OF THEM.
WE HAVE MEETINGS ALL DAY.
AS YOU SAID IT'S A FULL-TIME JOB, NOT REALLY A PART-TIME
JOB, SO WE LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC GO,
OUT WITH THE PUBLIC.
SPEAKING HERE REALLY IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK ON A
SPECIFIC ISSUE, PARTLY TO US BUT MOST OF THEM HAVE GIVEN US
THEIR OPINION ALREADY.
REALLY THEY ARE SPEAKING TO THE REST OF THE WORLD OR THE
REST OF THE PUBLIC.
AND I KNOW FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE MARTY DISAGREES WITH
THAT.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DO THAT AND IT'S GOING TO BE A
PROXY FOR BEING HERE IN PERSON THEN WE NEED TO HAVE VIDEO.
17:14:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

17:14:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CARLSON, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT TECHNOLOGICALLY THAT FOLKS CAN
PARTICIPATE BY VIDEO.
I THINK IT'S MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE, WE CAN SEE THEIR FACES AS
OPPOSED TO JUST HEARING AN AUDIO RECORDING.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE
DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO IT, AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT ON
AN FEW OCCASIONS.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE VIDEO REQUIREMENT.
BUT GOING BACK TO THE CORE QUESTION, OF CMT, SHORTLY AFTER
THIS DISCUSSION BEGAN LAST MONTH, I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS
RECEIVED AS MANY E-MAILS AS I DID FROM OUR CITIZENS, FROM
OUR CONSTITUENTS, URGING US TO CONTINUE CMT.
AND I FOR ONE DON'T REMEMBER RECEIVING ONE E-MAIL, PHONE
CALL OR ANYTHING SAYING NO CMT.
I THINK OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE SPOKEN LOUD AND CLEAR.
I THINK THAT TECHNOLOGY IS SUCH THAT PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE
DOING THAT, AND FRANKLY IT MAKES US THAT MUCH MORE
ACCESSIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE.
WE SHOULD BE AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE TO THESE FOLKS ON
EVERY POSSIBLE ISSUE.
AND WOULD IT YEARS NOT TO?
SURE IT WOULD.
LET'S CLOSE THE DOOR AND MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND BE DONE BY

11:00 IN THE MORNING.
BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER.
I THINK WE SHOULD LEAF THE CMT IN PLACE, AND WORK REQUEST
MR. BENNETT, AND WITH MS. FOXX-KNOWLES AND SULING TO SORT
OUT THE DETAILS OF THE COSTS AND WORK THAT INTO THIS NEXT
YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND PROCEED ACCORDINGLY.
THAT'S WHY I HOPE THIS COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH IT.
17:16:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID
AND I AM NOT IN DISAGREEMENT.
HOWEVER, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE CAPABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH
CMT OR WHATEVER.
AND I THINK IF THAT'S THE CASE, I REMEMBER WHERE YOU HAD 4
OR 500 PEOPLE IN THIS CHAMBERS, DOWNSTAIRS, DOWN THE STREET,
OVER ALCOHOL ZONING IN ONE LOCATION.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THEY DON'T SHOW UP, AND WHAT ABOUT
IF THERE'S 4 OR 500 ON CMT WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO END AND HOW
ARE YOU GOING TO END IT?
AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO
UNDERSTAND IF IT'S OVER SUCCESSFUL HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
HANDLE IT?
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE -- AND RIGHTLY
SO, IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS TO PARTICIPATE, THIS IS THE
EASIEST WAY AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT ALONG WITH THAT COMES A RESPONSIBILITY OF HOW DO YOU
TREAT ALL OF THEM ALIKE?
AND THERE IS WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES.
NOT ALL SOCIETY CAN AFFORD THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THAT YOU ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
NOW HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?
17:17:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IF I COULD, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. MIRANDA, I PREFACED BY COMMENTS EARLIER BY SAYING IN
RESPONSE TO MR. CARLSON, WHO WANTS VIDEO, I CLEARLY SAID WE
NEED TO URGE VIDEO BUT ACCOMMODATE JUST A PHONE CALL.
BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.
HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A PHONE THESE DAYS AND SOME PEOPLE WANT
TO LEAF US PHONE MESSAGES AND THAT'S FINE.
WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH.
17:18:27 >> MAY I BE HEARD, MR. CHAIRMAN?
17:18:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
17:18:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMAINDER WITH REGARD TO RESOURCES.
PLEASE DON'T FORGET T&I AND THE PLATFORM AND ALL THE PEOPLE
IN THAT DEPARTMENT THAT HAVE SERVED TO MAKE ALL OF THIS
HAPPEN, AND LET US NOT FORGET THE RESOURCES THAT ARE NEEDED
IN CTTV TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXTRA WORK AS REGARD
TO THAT, TOO.
AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. BENNETT ABOUT THAT AS
WELL.
THE RESOURCES.

A LOT GOES INTO IT, AND CERTAINLY THE PUBLIC HAS MADE IT
VERY CLEAR.
I ATTENDED A FLORIDA MUNICIPAL ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
CONFERENCE ON THE EAST COAST BY WEST PALM BEACH THURSDAY,
FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, AND EVERYBODY HAS AGREED THAT FOR A LOT
OF PEOPLE EXCEPT FOR THE SMALL CITIES, THIS IS THE NEW
NORMAL.
AND THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE NOBODY, ESPECIALLY THIS COUNCIL,
WANTS TO BE ACCUSED OF STIFLING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.
BUT FRANKLY I WILL SHARE WITH YOU WITH REGARD TO PHONE CALLS
AND PHONE MESSAGES, YOU SAW WHAT COULD HAPPEN WHEN SOMEBODY
PERHAPS BROADCAST AND YOU HAVE PHONE CALLS THAT HAVE TO BE
LISTENED TO AND YOU HAVE NAP CONTROL OVER THE LENGTH OF
THOSE PHONE CALLS.
COUNCIL, I JUST 2021 REMIND YOU AT YOUR SPECIAL DISCUSSION
MEETING THAT CHAIR MANISCALCO HAD AT THE END OF MARCH IN
PREPARATION FOR ALL THESE CHANGES TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL DID APPROVE WAS PUBLIC
COMMENT UP TO 14 SPEAKERS.
IT'S THREE MINUTES EACH.
BUT IF THERE ARE 15 OR MORE SPEAKERS IT'S CUT DOWN TO TWO
MINUTES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
WITH REGARD TO QUASI-JUDICIAL, THERE ARE VERY SERIOUS LEGAL

CONCERNS, DUE PROCESS CONCERNS, WITH REGARD TO THAT.
AND ONE OF THEM IS WE DO NOT ALLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO
PARTICIPATE REMOTELY UNDER EXISTING RECALLS FOR
QUASI-JUDICIAL, AND WE DO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO IT AUDIO
ONLY, BECAUSE THERE ARE DUE PROCESS RATES THERE AS WELL.
THE PETITIONER HAS THE RIGHT OF CROSS-EXAMINATION.
SO I JUST 2021 BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
THIS AND THE DISCUSSION I HAD WITH OTHER ATTORNEYS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE THIS WEEK WEDNESDAY, THIS IS GOING TO
REQUIRE AN OVERHAUL FRANKLY OF YOUR RECALLS TO ACCOMMODATE
THIS TECHNOLOGY.
WE HAVE TO CATCH UP TO THIS TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE THE PUBLIC
EXPECTS ITSELF.
SO I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE BEHIND
THE SCENES TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES ALSO
GOING TO AFFECT COUNCIL'S PROCEDURES, AND WE MAY VERY WELL
HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY THE PUBLIC COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE WE
HAVE THE ISSUES OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.
I AM GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
THE ISSUE IS WHEN YOU HAVE A 24-HOUR DEADLINE FOR EX PARTE
COMMUNICATIONS, YOUR PRESENT E-MAIL ADDRESS, TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL AT TAMPAGOV.COM IS COMMUNICATION. IF YOU GET IT 20
MINUTES BEFORE A HEARING AND YOU HAPPEN TO READ IT AND THE
PETITIONER OR APPLICANT DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT YOU COULD
POTENTIALLY PREJUDICE THEM IF THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND

DON'T HAVE AWARENESS OF IT TILL AFTER THE HEARING, AFTER
YOUR DECISION.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS.
AND NOT TO SAY THAT I AM AGAINST IT FRANKLY.
UM JUST RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT THAN THE PUBLIC WANTS IT
AND THE PUBLIC HAS COME TO EXPECT IT, AND WE HAVE TO CATCH
UP TO THE PROCESS BECAUSE THERE WAS A TIME CITY COUNCIL WHEN
YOU REMEMBER THESE MEETINGS WERE ALMOST AUTOMATIC.
AND THE AMOUNT OF LOGISTICS THAT GO ON HUNDRED DOLLAR THE
SCENES TO BRING THIS TO YOU NOW HAS TO BECOME OUGHT YUCK
AGAIN IF THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE FORWARD SO WE CAN COME
BACK AND DO BUS AS THE WAY THE PUBLIC EXPECTS.
17:22:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA.
17:22:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU JUST REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING.
ALMOST TEN YEARS TO BE THIS DAY, SOMETIME IN AUGUST OR
SEPTEMBER, HOWEVER, I WAS DENIED THE RATE TO VOTE BY PHONE.
WHEN I WAS TRYING TO RECOUPERATE FROM A COUPLE OPERATIONS
THAT I HAD.
AND I CAME HERE.
I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE HOUSE.
AND I HAD VERY MUCH TROUBLE IN WALKING.
AND I CALLED AND I SAID, COME PICK ME UP.
AND I SAID YOU JUST TAKE ME TO THE ELEVATOR AND I WILL MAKE
IT UP HERE.
I VOTED.

I TURNED AROUND AND LEFT.
AND THAT'S WHAT TECHNOLOGY HAS DONE.
THEY HAVE CHANGED ALL OF THESE THINGS.
SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, BUT WE HAVE TO BE PRECISE ON WHAT
YOU ARE GOING TO DO, BECAUSE HOW CAN THEY AND WE CAN'T DO
THAT?
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED.
END OF STORY.
17:23:17 >> AND WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING.
17:23:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE HEARD THE STORY MANY TIMES ABOUT YOU
COMING IN BUT I DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT, BUT THE STORY SAID
THAT YOU CAME IN WITH IVs CONNECTED.
IS THAT TRUE OR NOT?
17:23:39 >> NO, I HAD TUBES BUT THEY WERE NOT SHOWING.
I DID HAVE THREE OF THEM.
17:23:41 >>LUIS VIERA:
SOMETHING MR. SHELBY TALKED ABOUT WHICH IS A
DIFFERENCE FOR NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL IN TERMS OF TIMES WHEN
THEY WANT TO CONSIDER.
I BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN I SUPPORTED COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S
MOTION WAS TO POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE PEOPLE APPEARING OVER
THE PHONE OR OTHER WAYS, NOT HERE LIVE, ONE MINUTE, TWO
MINUTES, WHATEVER, JUST TO CUT DOWN ON THAT POTENTIAL FOR
CUMULATIVE ABUSE.
FOR EXAMPLE, FOR TODAY'S MOTION, I DIDN'T DO SOMETHING
CALLED ARMS OR WHATEVER, GOD FORBID THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE

COME.
WE WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE 300
PEOPLE IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS.
THEN IT MAY BE SMART TO HAVE THAT IN MY OPINION.
IT MAY ALSO BE SMART TO HAVE THIS BE REAUTHORIZED EVERY SIX,
NINE MONTHS OR SO, BECAUSE IN CASE THERE ARE A BASIS OF IT,
AND IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED, JUST SO THAT IT COMES UP FOREIGN
REVIEW, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
JUST MY THOUGHTS.
HERE COMES THE LANDING.
17:24:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE COMES THE LANDING.
ALL RIGHT.
WE ALL HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
YOU STOP IT, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
TIMES HAVE CHANGED.
WE JUST SAW EARLIER IN REFERENCE TO THE SITUATION WE HAVE
WITH SOME ADMINISTRATORS WITH THE PROCESS.
ENACTED SOMETHING BUT IT SEEMS THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A
VIABLE THING DOWN THE ROAD.
HAS TO BE LOOKED AT.
COVID CAUSED A PROBLEM BUT WAS AWAY THAT PEOPLE COULD
COMMUNICATE.
MY SUGGESTION, GENTLEMEN, IS WE LEAVE IT IN PLACE RIGHT NOW,
WE LET MR. SHELBY GET WITH CHIEF OF STAFF, WHAT THE COST
ANALYSIS WOULD BE, LOOK AT SOME RULES AND GUIDELINES

PERTAINING TO HOW WE'LL HANDLE CERTAIN SITUATIONS, AND THEN
WE BRING IT BACK AND TAKE IT TO A VOTE.
I WOULD SAY WAIT UNTIL AFT LEAST OCTOBER 1, KEEP IN THE
PLACE, AND MR. SHELBY WORK ON IT AT THIS POINT AND THEN COME
BACK AND MAKE DECISIONS.
17:25:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IF THAT'S A MOTION I WILL BE GLAD TO
ACCEPT IT ON YOUR BEHALF AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIR AND A SECOND BY MR.
MANISCALCO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION TO DEFER THE ITEM UNTIL
OCTOBER 1st, REQUESTING THAT MR. SHELBY WORK WITH MR.
BENNETT ON THE DETAILS?
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:26:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
MR. VIERA, INFORMATION REPORTS.
17:26:23 >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A FEW MOTIONS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST FEW MOTIONS.
17:26:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE ADJOURNED --
[ LAUGHTER ]
17:26:34 >>LUIS VIERA:
RIGHT.
REALLY QUICKLY, A MOTION TO PRESENT THE PRESIDENT'S

VOLUNTEER SERVICE AWARD TO EAGLE SCOUT NICHOLAS MICHELINI AT
THE AUGUST 19th EVENING CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NICHOLAS COME AND GIVE THE PLEDGE ALONG
WITH TROOP 315 AND THEN FOR THEM TO HAVE A SHORT
PRESENTATION.
17:26:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
MOTION CARRIES.
17:26:55 >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT I MOTION FOR ADRIANA PABON TO SPEAK
BEFORE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL OCTOBER 28TH WORKSHOP FOR FIVE
MINUTES ON THE LAUNCH OF HER AFFIRMATION BOOK, ADRIANA THE
BREAST CANCER SURVEYOR, AND THAT IS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS
MONTH, AND I WANT HER TO TALK ABOUT IT.
17:27:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
17:27:21 >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT, AND I SENT THE MEMO JUST BECAUSE IT'S
GOING TO BE A SAD DAY IN TAMPA AND A COLD DAY IN HELL
WITHOUT JOE GRECO HERE, BUT JOE GRECO IS RETIRING AND I
WANTED TO GIVE HIM A COMMENDATION ON SEPTEMBER 2nd.
17:27:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
17:27:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WILL WE DO THAT ON HIS BOAT OR HERE?
17:27:43 >>LUIS VIERA:
BOTH.
17:27:44 >> AND YOU KNOW WHAT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
OH, YES.

I MOTION FOR A REPORT FROM -- LAST ONE -- FOR THE REPORT BY
THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WHO GOT COVID
INCLUDING FIRST RESPONDERS, FURTHER THAT A REPORT BE
PRESENTED AT THE JULY 29th REGULAR MEETING.
17:28:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
I WANT TO BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING.
17:28:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
THANK YOU, SIR.
17:28:15 >> THIS BOARD KEEPS ON TALKING.
MR. MANISCALCO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
17:28:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SEE THAT ON AUGUST 5th WE ONLY
HAVE ONE COMMENDATION.
IT'S SHORT NOTICE BUT IT'S NOT TOO BAD.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE A COMMENDATION TO THE FIRST
RESPONDERS THAT CAME FROM TAMPA AND WENT DOWN TO SURFSIDE TO
ASSIST WITH THE COLLAPSED CONDOMINIUM BUILDING.
17:28:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
17:28:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR AUGUST 5th UNDER CEREMONIAL
ACTIVITIES.
17:28:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

17:29:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND I SEE AUGUST IS PRETTY BUSY.
BUT FOR SEPTEMBER 2nd, UNDER STAFF REPORTS, AND
UNFINISHED BUSINESS, COULD WE GET A REPORT?
I WOULD ASSUME MAYBE FROM SOMEONE IN TRANSACTION REGARDING
THE LITTERING FINES THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY?
I KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME SIGNS UP BUT I AM NOT SURE IF THE
CITY IS ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ONES OBVIOUSLY ON THE CITY
STREETS, BUT SIGNS THAT SHOW NO LITTERING FINES, WHAT KIND
OF PROGRAM WE HAVE IN PLACE, IF THAT'S BEEN UPDATED, LOOKED
AT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A SERIOUS LITTERING PROBLEM, THROUGH
WEST TAMPA, ARMENIA, HOWARD, THE INTERSTATE ON RAMP, OFF
RAMP.
WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH FDOT.
BUT EVEN IN SOME OF OUR SIDE STREETS, THERE'S JUST SO
MUCH DUMPING -- FLORIBRASKA, TAMPA STREET, FLORIDA AVENUE.
THOSE ARE FDOT ROADS.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO
ENFORCE THAT LITTERING, PERHAPS INCREASE THE FINES. JUST A
BASIC REPORT, WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE, WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
FROM THERE WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER. THAT WOULD BE
SEPTEMBER 2nd UNDER STAFF REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS.
SOMEONE FROM TRANSPORTATION.
17:30:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
17:30:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S IT.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, JULY 15th, 1887.
17:30:39 >> BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO BRING UP THIS ISSUE, BUT SINCE I
MADE A LOT OF STATEMENTS THIS MORNING I WANT TO PUT SOME
SUBSTANCE WITH IT AND I CAN DEFER THIS IF YOU GUYS WANT TO
HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION THAT WE PLACE ON THE WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 30th,
23rd, GIVE YOU OCTOBER IF YOU WANT, A DISCUSSION TO
ALLOW OR ASK TAMPA NONPROFITS THAT HELPING THE PEOPLE OF
CUBA TO COME PRESENT TO US ABOUT WHAT THEY NEED FROM THE
COMMUNITY, OR FROM THE CITY TO TRY TO HELP THEIR EFFORTS.
17:31:16 >> I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT.
17:31:22 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION IF YOU WANT.
THERE WERE SOME NONPROFITS IN MIAMI THAT RAISED MONEY FOR
SYRINGES, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION WOULD BE LIKE
IN SEPTEMBER, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A NEED EVEN IF THE
GOVERNMENT CHANGES, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEED FOR SUPPLIES,
MEDICAL SUPPLIES, FOOD AND OTHERS, AND IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR
US TO HEAR AND THE PUBLIC TO HEAR WHAT THE BARRIERS ARE TO
PROVIDING THOSE SUPPLIES, AND SINCE WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE
HERE ALREADY LET'S USE THE NONPROFIT OR WORK WITH THE
NONPROFITS THAT ARE HERE AND HOPEFULLY BY GIVING THEM SOME
EXPOSURE THE PUBLIC CAN SUPPORT THEM.
17:31:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FROM THE ADMINISTRATION?

17:31:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN PUT AN OPEN CALL, MAYBE MR. BAIRD
AND I CAN PUT A LIST TOGETHER OR IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS,
BUT WE CAN INVITE A FEW TO COME AND GIVE A TWO-MINUTE
PRESENTATION ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND WHAT THE BARRIERS
ARE.
17:32:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT?
IS THERE A SECOND?
17:32:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THE DATE AGAIN, PLEASE?
17:32:24 >>BILL CARLSON:
SEPTEMBER 23rd WORKSHOP.
17:32:26 >> DID YOU WANT IT EARLY IN THE MEETING?
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
THOSE INVITEES, DO YOU WANT THEM TO BE HEARD IN THE MORNING
OR HAVE THEM WAIT THROUGH THE OTHER PROJECTS?
17:32:42 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU ALL WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE FROM THE
PUBLIC TO COME SPEAK, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING
THAT COULDN'T WAIT.
17:32:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAKE IT FOR THE MORNING, MR. SHELBY.
17:32:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU HAVE THAT, MADAM CLERK?
9:00 FIRST ITEM AFTER THE COMMENDATION.
17:33:00 >>THE CLERK:
AFTER THE COMMENDATION, OKAY.
17:33:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
17:33:07 >>BILL CARLSON:
DID WE VOTE?
THERE WAS A SECOND BUT NO VOTE.

17:33:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED?
17:33:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE LAST THING, AND THIS IS MAYBE MORE
PERSONAL FOR ALL OF US.
AND I DON'T NOT IF WE CAN TAKE A SYMBOLIC VOTE OR NOT.
BUT YOU ALL PROBABLY HAVE SEEN MICHELLE TODD SCHORSCH IS IN
THE HOSPITAL BARELY HANGING ONTO LIFE, AND SHE HAS A
BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTER, AND HER HUSBAND WHO LOVES HER, HER
FATHER PASSED AWAY JUST A YEAR AGO FROM SOMETHING SIMILAR,
BUT SHE HAD SURGERY A FEW DAYS AGO AND IT WENT BADLY, AND
SHE'S FIGHTING FOR HER LIFE.
THEY WON'T KNOW EVEN FOR ANOTHER 24, 48 HOURS IF SHE'LL
SURVIVE.
17:33:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THAT A PERSON YOU KNOW?
17:33:53 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, BUT PETER, HER HUSBAND, IS FLORIDA
POLITICS, BUT SHE'S WORKED ON THE CRIST CAMPAIGN AND OTHERS
IN THE PAST, IS A GREAT PERSON, GREAT MOTHER, AND THE
DAUGHTER LOST HER GRANDFATHER JUST A YEAR AGO, AND IT WILL
BE TERRIBLE TO LOSE HER MOTHER.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO PLEASE PUT
OUT THE PRAYER CIRCLES, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL 2021
SYMBOLICALLY SAY YOU SUPPORT THAT OR NOT BUT I AM SURE YOU
ALL WOULD JOIN.
AND THERE ARE LOTS OF NEEDS BESIDES JUST THEIRS AND WE PRAY
FOR EVERYONE.

THANK YOU.
17:34:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.
17:34:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COMMENDATION FOR THIS YEAR'S STANLEY
CUP WINNERS, OUR LIGHTNING, TO BE DETERMINED AT A FURTHER
NOTICE.
I TALKED WITH COACH COOPER AT THE BOAT PARADE AND OF COURSE
AFTER THE STANLEY CUP GOT DENTED SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE
SOME TIME.
THE PLAYERS ARE OFF VISITING THEIR FAMILIES AND DOING SOME
THINGS.
SO AGAIN IT WOULD BE AT A FUTURE TIME SET.
17:34:57 >> SECOND.
17:34:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
17:35:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOTHING ELSE, MR. CHAIR.
17:35:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
STANLEY CUP WIN WAS SUPER EXCITING.
OKAY.
I JUST WANT TO STAY IN COMPETITION WITH MR. VIERA.
I ACTUALLY HAVE FIVE MOTIONS, WHICH IS TRUE.
FOUR OF THEM ARE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE THESE MOTIONS
BECAUSE I AM CHAIR PRO TEM.
SO WE HAVE REQUESTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SET
ADOPTION HEARINGS AND TRANSMITTAL HEARINGS.
MY MOTION, NUMBER ONE, IS TO REQUEST BY THE PLANNING

COMMISSION SETTING AN ADOPTION HEARING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA
FY 22-26 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SECTION CIS SCHEDULE PROJECT
UPDATE ON SEPTEMBER 30th, 2021 AT 5:01 P.M.
AND DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK
WITH A FORMAL NOTICE FOR ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
17:35:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
17:36:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOTION NUMBER 2, A REQUEST BY THE
PLANNING COMMISSION SETTING AN ADOPTION HEARING FOR TA/CPA
2101, TA/CPA 2104, TA/CPA 2106, TA/CPA 2107, TA/CPA 2108,
TA/CPA 2113, TA/CPA 2114, TA/CPA 2115, TA/CPA 2116, TA/CPA
2117, TA/CPA 2118, ON SEPTEMBER 30th, 2021 AT 5:01 P.M.
AND DIRECT LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE CITY CLERK FOR
ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
17:36:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
17:36:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?
17:36:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOTION NUMBER 3.
REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SETTING A TRANSMITTAL
HEARING FOR TA/CPA 21-11 AND TA/CPA 2112 ON SEPTEMBER
30th, 2021 AT 5:01 P.M. AND DIRECT LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
PROVIDE THE CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE FOR ADVERTISING
THE PUBLIC HEARING.
17:37:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
17:37:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?
17:37:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
FINALLY A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING

COMMISSION SETTING AN ADOPTION HEARING TA/CPA 20-24 ON
SEPTEMBER 23rd, 2021 AT 5:01 P.M. AND DIRECT LEGAL
DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE CITY CLERK WITH FORM OF NOTICE FOR
ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
17:37:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
17:37:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
17:37:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
FINALLY, A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
THE VOTING CONFLICT FOR ITEM 44 EARLIER TODAY.
17:37:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
17:37:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND THAT'S IT FOR ME.
17:37:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR MAYOR
JANE CASTOR TO APPEAR BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON THURSDAY,
AUGUST 5th, 2021 AT 9 A.M. TO PRESENT THE FISCAL 2022
YEAR BUDGET.
17:37:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
17:38:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S IT SIR.
17:38:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, ANYTHING, SIR?
17:38:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:38:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?

17:38:14 >> SO MOVED.
17:38:15 >> SECONDED BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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