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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JULY 15, 2021
9:00 A.M.

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09:04:40 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
09:04:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
09:04:46 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING JULY 15,
09:04:50 2021.
09:04:53 I THINK YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION THIS MORNING, SIR.
09:04:56 >>BILL CARLSON: I PROUDLY INTRODUCE A LONG TIME FRIEND,
09:05:02 JESSE JOHNSON. HE'S A NATIVE FLORIDIAN OF CUBAN DESCENT.
09:05:05 HE AND HIS WIFE KATY MOVED TO FLORIDA IN 2007.
09:05:09 THEY HAVE A TEN-YEAR-OLD SON JAKE AND 8-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER
09:05:12 ELIZABETH.
09:05:13 JESSE IS A REAL ESTATE CONSULTANT WITH SEVILLES WHERE HE
09:05:17 LEADS AN INTERNATIONAL TEAM BASED IN L.A., LONDON,
09:05:21 SINGAPORE, HONG KONG AND HIS FAMILY IS ACTIVE AT THE CHURCH
09:05:25 I GO TO HYDE PARK METHODIST WHERE HE AND HIS WIFE SERVED IN
09:05:31 MINISTRIES FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS.
09:05:33 I WANT TO THANK HIM PUBLICLY FOR THAT, BUT ALSO IF YOU ARE
09:05:38 NOT A PASTOR, THEY CALL YOU A LAY PERSON, AND HE IS

09:05:41 REGULARLY THE LAY PERSON WHO GIVES PRAYERS AT OUR CHURCH AND
09:05:46 DOES A GREAT JOB OF IT.
09:05:47 SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA GOT TO HEAR
09:05:50 HIM THIS MORNING.
09:05:51 IF EVERYONE WILL RISE AND HE WILL DO THE INVOCATION AND
09:05:54 WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:05:56 THANK YOU.
09:05:56 >> MY CHRISTIAN FAITH TEACHES ME THAT GOD'S PLAN FOR SAVING
09:06:08 THE WORLD IS IN THE DAILY RESPONSE OF ORDINARY FAITHFUL
09:06:12 PEOPLE WHO HEAR HIS CALL AND ACTIVE PURPOSE.
09:06:16 SO IT'S IN THAT SPIRIT THAT I WILL READ FROM A HYMN THAT
09:06:20 ARTICULATES THAT CALL.
09:06:21 WILL YOU COME AND FOLLOW ME IF I BUT CALL YOUR NAME?
09:06:26 WILL YOU GO WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW AND NEVER BE THE SAME?
09:06:30 WILL YOU LET MY LOVE BE SHOWN?
09:06:33 WILL YOU LET MY NAME BE KNOWN?
09:06:35 WILL YOU LET MY LIFE BE GROWN INTO, AND YOU IN ME?
09:06:41 WILL YOU LET THE BLIND SEE IF I BUT CALL YOUR NAME?
09:06:45 WILL YOU SET THE PRISONERS FREE AND NEVER BE THE SAME?
09:06:49 WILL YOU KISS THE LEOPARD CLEAN AND DO THINGS SUCH AS THIS
09:06:53 UNSEEN AND ADMIT TO WHAT I MEAN IN YOU, AND YOU IN ME?
09:07:00 WILL YOU LOVE THE YOU, YOU HIDE, IF I BUT CALL YOUR NAME?
09:07:06 WILL YOU QUELL THE FEAR INSIDE AND NEVER BE THE SAME?
09:07:09 WILL YOU USE THE FAITH YOU FOUND TO RESHAPE THE WORLD
09:07:13 AROUND?

09:07:15 THROUGH MY SIGHT AND TOUCH AND SOUND IN YOU
09:07:20 AND YOU IN ME.
09:07:23 THERE'S A FINAL VERSE TO THIS HYMN THAT I WILL NOT READ
09:07:26 BECAUSE IT'S THE RESPONSE TO THIS CALL.
09:07:28 SO FATHER, MY PRAYER, MY HUMBLE INVITATION, IS THE EACH OF
09:07:33 US HEARS THIS SONG IN OUR OWN HEART TODAY AND RESPOND TO
09:07:39 YOU, AND THAT WE ARE NEVER THE SAME.
09:07:41 AMEN.
09:07:41 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
09:08:10 [ROLL CALL]
09:08:11 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:08:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
09:08:19 MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:08:22 TODAY IS THE 15th OF JULY AND WE ARE HERE AT OLD CITY
09:08:27 HALL, AND WE ARE HERE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS PURSUANT TO YOUR
09:08:32 RULES OF PROCEDURE WITH AMENDMENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
09:08:38 COUNCIL TO VOTE TO WAIVE THE RULES TO MAKE THEM CONSISTENT
09:08:43 WITH THAT WHICH IS IN THE NOTICE THAT WAS POSTED AND
09:08:45 PROVIDED AND IS PRESENT IN THE AGENDA.
09:08:49 SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, PER COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AT THE
09:08:52 LAST MEETING, I AM GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO WAIVE THE RULES
09:08:55 TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NOTICE.
09:08:59 >> MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES.
09:09:01 MOTION BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
09:09:03 ALL IN FAVOR?

09:09:04 ANY OPPOSED?
09:09:05 MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:09:06 >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A MOTION FOR RESOLUTION.
09:09:13 I ASK IF I MAY, BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE
09:09:16 WATCHING THIS --
09:09:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, THE ROLE NEEDS TO BE TAKEN
09:09:22 BEFORE THE VOTE.
09:09:23 WE'LL COME BACK AFTER APPROVAL.
09:09:28 MADAM CLERK.
09:09:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:09:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:09:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)
09:09:35 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:09:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:09:41 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH DINGFELDER
09:09:43 BEING ABSENT.
09:09:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY THE WAIVING OF
09:09:50 THE RULES, MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS NOW POSTED IN THE
09:09:53 AGENDA, AND IT IS ALSO THE NOTICE.
09:09:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIR.
09:10:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENTS?
09:10:04 IT'S CONTINUING IN THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST PER COUNCIL'S
09:10:07 DIRECTION.
09:10:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:10:10 APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

09:10:11 MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:10:12 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:10:16 I HAVE A RESOLUTION, SIR, THAT I PASSED ON MONDAY TO CITY
09:10:20 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:10:20 YOU JUST RECEIVED A LETTER FROM CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR'S
09:10:24 OFFICE IN REGARD TO THIS.
09:10:26 SINCE CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE HERE AND WATCHING THIS, I WOULD ASK
09:10:30 THE CHAIR'S CONSENTS TO HAVE THIS DONE, AND I DON'T
09:10:34 ANTICIPATE THIS TAKING A DARN LONG TIME, BUT EITHER BEFORE
09:10:38 THE CONSENT AGENDA OR AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICHEVER
09:10:40 ONE THE CHAIR WOULD PREFER IF YOU WOULD SO GRANT THAT, SIR.
09:10:52 OH, I'M SO SORRY.
09:10:53 OF COURSE.
09:10:54 PUBLIC COMMENT, YEAH.
09:10:57 >> I THINK WE NEED A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE NEED AS
09:11:04 A CITY AND COMMUNITY TO HELP PEOPLE AND A RESOLUTION LIKE
09:11:08 THIS IS MORE OF A PUBLICITY STUNT LIKE THE PRESS CONFERENCE
09:11:15 YESTERDAY AND WE NEED TO THINK HARD.
09:11:18 WE PASSED SOMETHING THAT SAYS GENERICALLY, IT'S NOT GOING TO
09:11:21 HELP ANYBODY IN CUBA.
09:11:23 WE CAN SAY THAT PUBLICLY.
09:11:24 I AM HAPPY TO PASS A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS SIMPLY THAT WE
09:11:27 SUPPORT PEOPLE IN GIVING POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM BUT
09:11:30 I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT ACTUAL
09:11:33 SOLUTIONS THAT HELP THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST A STATEMENT THAT'S

09:11:36 NOT GOING TO HELP THEM AT ALL.
09:11:38 THANK YOU.
09:11:39 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I RESPOND TO THAT?
09:11:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:11:42 >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S THE FIRST TIME I EVER HAD SOMEBODY WHOSE
09:11:45 FAMILY IS NOT FROM CUBA, NOT A CUBAN REFUGEE. TO SAY THAT
09:11:50 SOMETHING THAT I'M TRYING TO DO ON CUBA FROM THE HEART IS A
09:11:52 PUBLICITY STUNT, MR. CARLSON, AND THAT'S NOT WELL TAKEN AT
09:11:55 ALL.
09:11:56 I AM SIMPLY SAYING THAT MY MOTION, MR. CARLSON, WAS TO DEAL
09:11:58 WITH OTHER ISSUES TO COMBAT MY "PUBLICITY STUNT," SO TO
09:12:02 SPEAK.
09:12:03 YOU CAN DO SO AT ANOTHER TIME.
09:12:04 BUT I AM ASKING FOR MY MOTION TO BE HEARD AT THAT TIME.
09:12:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, PUBLICITY STUNT OR NOT, WE ARE GOING
09:12:10 TO RESPECT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS A PLACE THAT WE
09:12:12 CONDUCT BUSINESS. IF YOU WANT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR ASKING
09:12:17 TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION, WE WILL CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION
09:12:21 BEFORE A VOTE.
09:12:22 IF MR. CARLSON WANTS TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT HOW WE CAN
09:12:26 HELP CUBAN AMERICANS, THAT WILL BE FINE TO DO SO AS WELL.
09:12:30 >>LUIS VIERA: CAN I HAVE IT HEARD AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT,
09:12:33 SIR?
09:12:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
09:12:36 ANYBODY ELSE WANTS A DISCUSSION BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION?

09:12:40 MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:12:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION FOR THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
09:12:45 APPROPRIATE, PARTICULARLY AS THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE IS FOR
09:12:49 THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM, SO YOU CAN MAKE
09:12:53 ADDITIONS, SUBSTITUTIONS, DELETIONS, CONSENT DOCKET FOR
09:12:58 STAFF REPORTS, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN
09:13:00 TAKE UP AND NOT TAKE ACTION ON NECESSARILY RIGHT NOW BUT TO
09:13:06 ADD TO THE AGENDA AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT THE COUNCILMAN
09:13:10 REQUESTED WHICH IS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:13:11 SO THE ANSWER IS, ONCE WE DO THAT, AND THERE'S A MOTION, I
09:13:15 DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SECOND TO IT YET.
09:13:18 I DON'T RECALL.
09:13:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE A SECOND TO MR. VIERA'S MOTION?
09:13:22 MR. CITRO.
09:13:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AFTER THAT IS DONE THEN WE CAN COMPLETE
09:13:25 THE PROCESS OF THE APPROVAL AND THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM
09:13:29 BUT THIS THE FIRST MOTION.
09:13:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
09:13:34 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:13:35 ANY OPPOSED?
09:13:38 >> NO.
09:13:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:13:41 ROLL CALL.
09:13:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:13:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

09:13:46 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
09:13:50 >>LUIS VIERA: OH, YES.
09:13:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:13:53 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT
09:13:57 AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
09:13:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S MOVE TO THE AGENDA FOR APPROVALS.
09:14:04 WE HAVE A CONTINUANCE.
09:14:10 WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 3.
09:14:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:14:15 ITEM NUMBER 3 IS ON FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
09:14:19 HOWEVER, COUNCIL, THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD AS A PUBLIC HEARING
09:14:23 IN THAT THE PUBLIC WAS NOTICED, AND YOU CAN HEAR IT AT ANY
09:14:26 TIME AFTER 9 A.M., BUT THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE AMENDED
09:14:32 TO BE HEARD AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
09:14:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
09:14:38 WHEN WE GET TO ITEM NUMBER 3, PUBLIC HEARING.
09:14:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
09:14:43 YOU CAN TAKE IT UP ANYTIME AFTER 9:00.
09:14:46 IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:14:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 29.
09:14:49 MR. SHELBY.
09:14:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 29 IS A REQUEST FOR IT TO BE
09:14:54 HEARD UNDER STAFF REPORTS DUE TO THE AMOUNT EXCEEDING $3
09:14:58 MILLION, SO THAT WOULD BE HEARD AT OR AFTER 1:30 P.M. UNDER
09:15:05 POLICY.

09:15:06 ALSO, MR. CHAIRMAN, A REMINDER THAT YOU HAD SENT OUT A MEMO
09:15:10 TO PULL NUMBERS 5 AND 42 FOR DISCUSSION UNDER STAFF REPORTS
09:15:16 AT 1:30 AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE NOTATED IN THE FINAL AGENDA
09:15:20 UNDER THOSE ITEM NUMBERS SO THAT PUTS THE ADMINISTRATION ON
09:15:26 NOTICE WITH REGARD TO THAT.
09:15:27 THAT TO BE HEARD IN THE AFTERNOON.
09:15:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO SUBSTITUTE OF 42, CORRECT?
09:15:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
09:15:34 AND THERE IS A SUBSTITUTION ITEM NUMBER 42.
09:15:37 THAT'S CORRECT.
09:15:43 LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.
09:15:45 YES, IT IS.
09:15:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CONSENT ITEMS.
09:15:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT WITH REGARD TO THE
09:15:59 APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM UNLESS THERE'S
09:16:02 ANYTHING ELSE.
09:16:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF REPORTS?
09:16:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE CAN FIND OUT WHO CAN BE FROM THE
09:16:10 ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO BE PRESENT, AND THE REST OF THE
09:16:15 ADMINISTRATION WHO ARE NOT NEEDED CAN ACTUALLY BE RELEASED
09:16:19 TO GO BACK TO WHAT THEY DO.
09:16:22 SO IF YOU WISH TO GO THROUGH THOSE ITEM NUMBER 100 IS THE
09:16:26 ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
09:16:30 ITEM NUMBER 2 IS A RESOLUTION REGARDING THE RELEASE OF AN
09:16:35 EASEMENT WHICH WAS CONTINUED FROM JUNE 3rd.

09:16:37 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A STAFF REPORT.
09:16:39 THERE PROBABLY IS; CONTINUED.
09:16:43 AND THE OTHER ITEMS, FOR INSTANCE, ITEM 102 IS ON THE AGENDA
09:16:48 BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT.
09:16:48 IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, THEN ALL YOU WOULD NEED TO DO
09:16:51 THEN AT THE TIME THE IS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
09:16:54 SAME THING WITH ITEM NUMBER 103.
09:17:02 AND I BELIEVE ITEM 104.
09:17:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER IS NOT HERE.
09:17:08 I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO BE HERE OR NOT.
09:17:10 BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT MAYBE MR. BAIRD STICK AROUND IN
09:17:14 CASE MR. DINGFELDER DOES SHOW UP, BUT THERE ARE ISSUES HERE
09:17:17 AND I KNOW HE'S ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THOSE ITEMS.
09:17:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
09:17:22 IF THAT'S FINE WITH COUNCIL, THAT WILL BE FINE.
09:17:24 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER IS
09:17:27 EXPECTED.
09:17:27 HE'S RUNNING LATE.
09:17:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:17:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO WHEN HE GETS HERE WE CAN REVIEW THAT IF
09:17:39 THAT'S PLEASURE'S -- COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:17:43 OTHER THAN THAT I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.
09:17:44 MOTION TO APPROVE WOULD BE IN ORDER.
09:17:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, ANYTHING ELSE?
09:17:50 MOTION TO APPROVE?

09:17:52 MR. MIRANDA MOVED.
09:17:53 MR. CITRO SECONDED.
09:17:55 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:17:56 ANY OPPOSED?
09:17:57 ALL RIGHT.
09:17:58 MR. CARLSON, I THINK YOU ARE UP FOR CEREMONIALS.
09:18:07 GENTLEMEN, WE DO HAVE A FULL PACKED AGENDA TODAY, SO I KNOW
09:18:12 EVERYONE HAS ISSUES AND CONCERNS.
09:18:13 LET'S MAKE SURE WE LIMIT IT TO A FEW DISCUSSIONS SO WE CAN
09:18:17 KIND OF GET OUT OF HERE TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS
09:18:20 TODAY.
09:18:42 WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, SIR.
09:18:43 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
09:18:44 I AM PLEASED TO INTRODUCE A LONG TIME FRIEND, ARIZONA
09:18:48 JENKINS.
09:18:49 I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW HIM OR ARE FRIENDS WITH HIM ALSO.
09:18:52 HE IS VERY, VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:18:55 MANY PEOPLE KNOW HIM BECAUSE HE HITS MANY OF THE MAJOR CIGAR
09:19:00 PLACES.
09:19:01 IN FACT IT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN HIM WITHOUT A CIGAR.
09:19:05 ARIZONA IS SOMEONE WHO IS BELOVED BY EVERYONE, SOMEBODY THAT
09:19:09 SAID TO ME YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW THERE'S A GUY I HAVE BEEN
09:19:12 TRYING TO MEET AND I HAVE BEEN CALLING, CALLING, HE DOESN'T
09:19:14 RETURN MY CALLS.
09:19:15 BUT ARIZONA WAS WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH HIM.

09:19:17 SO ARIZONA JUST SAYS, HE'S INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF THINGS.
09:19:22 I WILL TELL A QUICK STORY.
09:19:24 YOU LEARN A LOT BY HAVING FRIENDS LIKE ARIZONA.
09:19:30 HE AND I WERE WALKING DOWN THE STREET ONE DAY AND HE SAID,
09:19:33 WHY ARE YOU WALKING SO SLOW?
09:19:35 AND I AM SAID I THOUGHT YOU NEED TO GO SLOW.
09:19:37 HE SAID NO.
09:19:38 HE HIT THE GAS ON HIS CHAIR, AND HE ZOOMED WAY PAST ME AND
09:19:43 SAID, YOU NEED TO SPEED UP.
09:19:45 SO HE'S TAUGHT ME A LOT.
09:19:46 HE'S BEEN A GOOD FRIEND.
09:19:47 AND HE'S BEEN A GOOD FRIEND TO THE COMMUNITY.
09:19:49 AND HE JUST WON A STATE WIDE AWARD FOR HELPING THE
09:19:52 DISABILITY COMMUNITY.
09:19:52 SO I JUST WANTED TO READ THIS REAL FAST, THE COMMENDATION.
09:19:56 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WISHES TO RECOGNIZE, COMMEND YOUR MANY
09:20:00 ACHIEVEMENTS AS A RECIPIENTS.
09:20:05 IDELIO VALDES LEADERSHIP AWARD, YOU HAVE GUIDED OUR
09:20:09 TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN
09:20:12 SERVING ALL THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA THROUGH NEW HORIZONs,
09:20:15 YOU HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO MENTOR CITIZENS AND THE YOUTH
09:20:18 OF OUR CITY TO BE CHAMPIONS OF THEIR OWN CAUSE AND
09:20:21 INDEPENDENCE, POWERS ITS MEMBERS WITH FREE TRANSPORTATION,
09:20:27 TRAINING, SOCIAL GATHERINGS AND SELF-ADVOCACY TRAINING, YOUR
09:20:30 KINDNESS AND GENEROSITY AND LEADERSHIP INSPIRED COUNTLESS

09:20:35 CITIZENS AND MADE THE CITY OF TAMPA A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL
09:20:37 THE CITIZENS.
09:20:38 SO I WOULD LIKE TO LET ARIZONA SAY SOMETHING BUT WOULD ANY
09:20:41 OF YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST?
09:20:43 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR THIS
09:20:47 COMMENDATION FOR THIS FINE GENTLEMAN.
09:20:48 I APPRECIATE IT.
09:20:49 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY AND WHATNOT, AND
09:20:53 DISABILITIES IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
09:20:55 I SEE RAQUEL WHO DOES SUCH A GREAT JOB WITH THE CITY OF
09:20:59 TAMPA FOR ISSUES WITH DISABILITIES.
09:21:01 MR. FOX WHO I KNOW HAS A BIG HEART FOR THAT ISSUE AS WELL.
09:21:05 AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD,
09:21:10 BUT THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, SIR, IN THE COMMUNITY, TO
09:21:12 SHOW PEOPLE THAT THE HEART IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MUSCLE.
09:21:16 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:21:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS, SIR, ON THIS WELL
09:21:21 DESERVED AWARD.
09:21:22 YOU ARE A GOOD MAN.
09:21:23 WE ARE FRIENDS.
09:21:24 WE KNOW EACH OTHER THROUGH THE CIGAR SHOP.
09:21:27 COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED, WE KNOW WHERE TO FIND YOU, AND
09:21:31 YOU HAVE A LOT OF FANS.
09:21:32 YOU HAVE QUITE A FOLLOWING.
09:21:34 AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE.

09:21:37 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:21:37 WE ARE GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE WITH US TODAY, SIR.
09:21:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:21:44 ARIZONA, MY FRIEND, AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT ARIZONA AND I
09:21:47 WORKED TOGETHER ON LIVABLE ROADWAYS.
09:21:49 ARIZONA, YOU ALWAYS BRING UP THE TOPIC OF THE NEEDS FOR
09:21:54 DISABLED.
09:21:54 AND I THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE.
09:21:56 AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP.
09:21:58 AND I ALWAYS ENJOY WORKING WITH YOU.
09:22:00 ARIZONA, CONGRATULATIONS.
09:22:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:22:07 LIKE WAS SAID BEFORE MY COLLEAGUES, IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE
09:22:09 YOU ONCE AGAIN AND YOU AND YOUR GROUP, MR. FOX AND THE REST
09:22:12 OF YOU.
09:22:13 I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR THOSE CAN'T DO A LOT BUT THEY
09:22:18 CAN DO MORE THAN MOST OF US WHO CAN DO A LOT.
09:22:21 WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
09:22:22 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
09:22:23 AND GLAD THAT YOU BEAT MR. CARLSON WITH THE LONG LEGS THAT
09:22:29 HE HAS.
09:22:29 I THINK YOU COULD BEAT HIM IF YOU DIDN'T PUT IT IN HIGH GEAR
09:22:33 BECAUSE YOUR HEART IS BIGGER THAN HIS LEGS.
09:22:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:22:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, ARIZONA, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

09:22:39 YOU SHOWED THIS COMMUNITY THAT NO MATTER WHAT DISABILITIES
09:22:42 YOU HAD, YOU CAN GET OUT THERE AND STILL SERVE THE PUBLIC.
09:22:46 YOU STILL GET OUT THERE AND ENJOY THE PEOPLE, SOCIAL
09:22:49 ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
09:22:54 THANK YOU, MY FRIEND.
09:22:55 >>BILL CARLSON: AS ARIZONA IS COMING UP, I WILL JUST SAY
09:22:59 FOR ANYBODY WATCHING WHO NEEDS HELP IN THE DISABILITY
09:23:01 COMMUNITY OR NEEDS SUPPORT, ARIZONA IS NOT SOMEONE WHO LIKES
09:23:06 TO GIVE COMMENDATIONS.
09:23:08 HE LIKES TO HAVE THE WORK SHOW FOR ITSELF.
09:23:10 BUT PLEASE CONTACT HIM BECAUSE HE'S A BIG ADVOCATE IN THE
09:23:14 COMMUNITY.
09:23:15 ARIZONA, DO YOU WANT TO BE SAY ANYTHING?
09:23:17 >> ARIZONA JENKINS: THANK YOU ALL, I AM VERY HONORED TO BE
09:23:26 HERE.
09:23:32 ALWAYS GO TO WORK EVERY DAY TO IMPROVE FOR PEOPLE WITH
09:23:37 DISABILITIES.
09:23:41 TO IMPROVE EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE.
09:24:08 IT GIVES ME PLEASURE TO HELP PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
09:24:19 BUT WE TRAIN, TEACH.
09:24:36 I HAVE KNOWN YOU GUYS A LONG TIME.
09:24:40 AND THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE.
09:25:12 LOVE YOU AND SUPPORT YOU.
09:25:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:25:22 [ APPLAUSE ]

09:25:25 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
09:25:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK MR. VIERA IS UP WITH HIS
09:25:48 PRESENTATION, ITEM NUMBER 2.
09:25:54 MR. VIERA, YOU ARE UP FOR ITEM NUMBER 2.
09:26:15 >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S MY GREAT PLEASURE HERE TO INCLUDE WITH
09:26:19 US HERE, TO WELCOME HERE, MISS RENE WARMACK WHO IS A TAMPA
09:26:25 NATIVE, USF ALUMNAE AND FILM MAKER BECAUSE OF SAM.
09:26:30 IT PREMIERED IN TAMPA TO A SOLD-OUT AUDIENCE.
09:26:34 I WAS GLAD TO BE THERE.
09:26:38 THE TALE OF A MAN NAMED SAM PIAZZA DISCOVERED IN THE TAMPA
09:26:43 TRIBUNE WHEN HE BECAME HOMECOMING QUEEN.
09:26:48 HE HAS A BLACK BELT IN KARATE, LED HIS BEST BUDDY CHAPTER IN
09:26:54 HIGH SCHOOL, WORKED AT PDQ, A WONDERFUL PLACE, FOR EIGHT
09:26:57 YEARS AND WAS BORN WITH DOWN'S SYNDROME.
09:27:00 BECAUSE OF SAM TRANSFORMS HOW THE PEOPLE VIEWS PEOPLE WITH
09:27:03 DISABILITIES AND INSPIRES EVERYONE TO PURSUE THEIR DREAMS.
09:27:06 THIS IS A VERY, VERY WONDERFUL EFFORT.
09:27:09 I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING SAM, MAYBE SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE
09:27:13 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD OF TAMPA BAY BEST BUDDIES,
09:27:16 AND SAM IS ONE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE I KNOW WHO COMES FROM A
09:27:19 WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL FAMILY.
09:27:22 SO I WOULD -- WE ARE FIRST DOING THE TRAILER?
09:27:28 IF WE COULD PUT THE FILM ON, PLEASE.
09:27:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, I.T.
09:27:35 >> YOU HAVE GOT TO PICK IT UP NOW.

09:27:43 >> NO WAY.
09:27:45 NO WAY!
09:27:46 [MUSIC]
09:28:14 >> OTHER EMPLOYERS LOOK AT SAM AND KNOW WHAT HE MEANT TO OUR
09:28:18 COMPANY.
09:28:19 >> BECAUSE OF SAM, OUR LIFE IS RICHER.
09:28:26 >>LUIS VIERA: WONDERFUL.
09:28:38 SO I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST INVITE FOR A BRIEF PRESENTATION
09:28:41 RENEE AND SAM.
09:28:42 COME ON UP, FOLKS.
09:28:43 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:28:49 THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR HAVING US HERE, AND
09:28:54 TO THE DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL THAT'S PRESENT.
09:28:58 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT, BECAUSE OF SAM, HERE TO
09:29:02 TALK ABOUT ANOTHER BACK TO BACK CHAMPION, CONGRATULATIONS TO
09:29:11 TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING BUT I HAVE SAM PIAZZA, 31 YEARS OLD, AND
09:29:15 I AM SO PLEASED TO BE WITH HIM AND TO HAVE PRODUCED THIS
09:29:18 MOVIE.
09:29:19 CREATING LAWS AND HAVING THEM ON THE BOOKS IS ONE THING, BUT
09:29:22 HAVING FOLKS UNDERSTAND THEM AND CARE ABOUT THEM AND SUPPORT
09:29:25 THEM AS YOU KNOW IS REALLY WHAT MATTERS.
09:29:28 BECAUSE OF SAM TOUCHES HEARTS AND CHANGES MIND, AND WE ARE
09:29:31 SO HONORED THAT THE PIAZZA FAMILY AND SAM SHARES THEIR STORY
09:29:36 "BECAUSE OF SAM." AND JULY 31, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER
09:29:41 SCREENING AT TAMPA THEATRE AT 1:00.

09:29:43 TICKETS ON SALE NEXT WEEK.
09:29:44 I AM GOING TO HAVE SAM SAY A FEW WORDS HERE.
09:29:47 AND I APPRECIATE IT.
09:29:48 >> HI, COUNCILMEN.
09:29:53 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.
09:29:55 THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY TO PROMOTE AWARENESS OF
09:30:06 THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.
09:30:09 AS A PERSON WITH INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY, I
09:30:17 WANT PEOPLE TO SEE ME FOR WHO I AM BECAUSE OF SAM TEACHES
09:30:28 THE WORLD THAT PEOPLE WITH DOWN'S SYNDROME SHOULD NOT BE
09:30:33 DEFINED BY THEIR OWN DISABILITY.
09:30:39 WE ARE VERY CAPABLE OF LIVING NORMAL LIVES, HAVING A JOB FOR
09:30:51 NINE YEARS, AND HAVING A GIRLFRIEND, AND MAKING A POSITIVE
09:30:59 IMPACT IN THE WORLD.
09:31:05 I HOPE YOU WILL WATCH "BECAUSE OF SAM" AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS
09:31:12 AND BUSINESS COLLEAGUES TO WATCH IT, TOO.
09:31:14 THANK YOU.
09:31:14 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:31:22 >>LUIS VIERA: YOU KNOW, SAM IS ONE OF SO MANY PEOPLE IN
09:31:25 THIS CITY, IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS AND
09:31:28 INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
09:31:29 HE IS ONE OF MANY, THAT HE'S JUST SUCH AN EXCEPTIONAL,
09:31:33 WONDERFUL GUY.
09:31:33 SO WE WILL NOW LEAVE TO THE OUR COLLEAGUES ON TAMPA CITY
09:31:36 COUNCIL, IF YOU GENTLEMEN WANT TO SPEAK.

09:31:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN VIERA
09:31:44 FOR BRINGING SAM AND RENEE HERE.
09:31:47 YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION.
09:31:48 I FOLLOWED YOU FOR MANY YEARS, AND EVERY DAY YOU ARE AN
09:31:51 INSPIRATION.
09:31:53 YOU SERVE THE COMMUNITY YOU GIVE HOPE TO PEOPLE.
09:31:56 YOU INSPIRE PEOPLE YOU MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO BECOME BETTER.
09:32:00 JUST BY YOU, BY YOUR PRESENCE, BY YOUR MESSAGES, BY THE
09:32:04 THINGS YOU SAY.
09:32:04 YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOURSELF.
09:32:06 AND TO RENEE, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, FOR THE FILM
09:32:10 THAT YOU HAVE MADE, AND BRINGING AWARENESS, BRINGING THE
09:32:13 STORY OF SAM TO A LARGER AUDIENCE SO PEOPLE KNOW AND
09:32:18 UNDERSTAND.
09:32:18 BUT I HOPE YOU BOTH REALIZE THE IMPACT, THE POSITIVE IMPACT
09:32:22 THAT YOU MAKE ON THE COMMUNITY.
09:32:23 AND WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOU.
09:32:25 THANK YOU.
09:32:25 >>BILL CARLSON: THANKS.
09:32:29 AND FIRST OF ALL THANKS TO MY COLLEAGUE MR. VIERA FOR
09:32:32 BRINGING THIS UP.
09:32:33 HE'S BEEN A TIRELESS ADVOCATE FOR THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY
09:32:36 AND I THINK MORE THAN ALL OF US COMBINED ABOUT THAT ISSUE,
09:32:39 SO WE ALWAYS RELY ON HIM AND APPRECIATE HIS HELP WITH THAT.
09:32:42 THANKS TO RENEE FOR TELLING THIS IMPORTANT STORY.

09:32:48 I WILL TELL UP I WILL DO ALL I CAN TO PROMOTE IT SO PLEASE
09:32:51 SEND ME A LINK TO THE EVENT ON THE 31st SO WE CAN MAKE
09:32:54 SURE IT GETS OUT.
09:32:56 AND SAM, IT WAS GREAT MEETING YOU DOWNSTAIRS, WITH YOUR
09:32:59 PERSONALITY, YOU ARE GOING TO GO REALLY FAR, AND DO LOTS OF
09:33:03 GREAT THINGS.
09:33:03 I LOOK FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH YOU ON ANYTHING YOU NEED
09:33:06 TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:33:07 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:33:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
09:33:11 SAM, WHEN I HEARD THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE HERE TODAY, I
09:33:14 HAD TO GO DOWN AND MEET YOU PERSONALLY, BECAUSE ALL MY
09:33:18 FRIENDS TOLD ME ABOUT YOU.
09:33:20 AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW, SIR, YOU ARE A SUPERSTAR.
09:33:24 IT WAS A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.
09:33:26 AND I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE YOU IN THE FUTURE.
09:33:29 AND I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE "BECAUSE OF SAM."
09:33:32 MY FRIEND, KEEP UP THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING.
09:33:35 YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL FOR EVERYONE.
09:33:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:33:42 SAM, I DON'T KNOW YOU BUT I KNOW RENEE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS
09:33:46 AND SHE'S A GREAT PERSON.
09:33:47 SO ANY FRIEND OF RENEE'S IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.
09:33:51 WE APPRECIATE THE AWARENESS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO OUR
09:33:53 COMMUNITY, BOTH OF YOU, AND ALL THE HARD WORK, AND WE WILL

09:33:57 TRY AND MAKE IT TO THE NEXT SHOWING, RENEE.
09:34:00 THANK YOU.
09:34:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING YOU
09:34:05 BUT I HAVE SEEN YOU BEFORE AND I WANT TO THANK FIRST OF ALL
09:34:08 COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR DOING THE THING THAT HE DOES BEST, AND
09:34:14 WHAT I SEE IN JUST A LITTLE CLIP OF YOUR MOVIE, AND YOU CAN
09:34:17 DO THINGS THAT I CAN'T DO.
09:34:19 YOU RIDE THAT BIKE MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN.
09:34:22 AND I SAW THAT KARATE AND I LOOKED THE OTHER WAY.
09:34:25 YOU WERE TRAINED.
09:34:26 YOU MAKE YOURSELF WHAT YOU ARE TODAY.
09:34:28 AND YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION TO EVERY AMERICAN HONG IS WILLING
09:34:33 TO TRY SOMETHING, AND YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING, AND YOU HAVE
09:34:37 SUCCEEDED.
09:34:38 I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF A MOVIE MADE OF
09:34:43 ANY COUNCILMEMBER SO ONE STEP AHEAD OF US.
09:34:45 YOU ARE A STAR AND A SYMBOL OF A DREAM THAT IF YOU WANTED TO
09:34:48 MAKE IT HAPPEN, YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
09:34:50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:34:51 GOD BLESS YOU.
09:34:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SAM, I HAVEN'T MET YOU BUT I MET FOLKS
09:34:57 LIKE YOU.
09:34:58 YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHED LIGHT ON WHAT
09:35:03 THEY HAVE STRUGGLED WITH AND HOW THEY ARE ABLE TO HELP OTHER
09:35:06 PEOPLE WITH THEIR STRUGGLES.

09:35:07 IT'S GREAT TO HAVE PEOPLE SEE HOW YOU ARE OUT THERE EVERY
09:35:13 DAY, BRINGING JOY, AND PEOPLE ARE WATCHING YOU, GIVING
09:35:19 INSPIRATION, THOSE FOLKS IN THAT GYM, THOSE YOUNG KIDS, AND
09:35:23 THEY SEE YOU LIFT WEIGHTS AND SEE YOUR SMILE AND SAY, I WANT
09:35:26 TO DO THAT, I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT.
09:35:28 SO MR. VIERA, IF YOU WILL GIVE ME THAT LINK SO MY COMMUNITY
09:35:36 AND HISPANIC COMMUNITY CAN BE SEE SAM AND GET THAT
09:35:39 INSPIRATION, WHAT I SAY THE INFECTION OF SUCCESS, OVERJOYED
09:35:44 BY SEEING SOMEBODY AND SAY, HE'S JUST LIKE ME.
09:35:47 HE DID IT, I CAN DO IT.
09:35:48 SO THANK YOU FOR, MR. VIERA.
09:35:52 WE APPRECIATE YOU.
09:35:53 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I THINK RENEE WANTED TO SAY ONE LAST
09:35:58 THING IF WE MAY.
09:35:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ABSOLUTELY.
09:36:02 RENEE.
09:36:03 THE VERSION THAT SHOWED IN THE TAMPA THEATER TWO YEARS AGO
09:36:05 THIS MONTH DID NOT INCLUDE THE FINAL ENHANCED VERSION AND IT
09:36:08 HAS IN IT THE ONE YOU WILL SEE ON JULY 31st.
09:36:13 AKA, WWE SUPERSTAR TITUS O'NEILL, ANOTHER HOMETOWN HERO SO
09:36:20 WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO SHOW THAT VERSION AT THE TAMPA
09:36:23 THEATER.
09:36:24 WE WANT TO SELL IT OUT.
09:36:25 700 SEATS.
09:36:26 IT'S A LOWER CAP DUE TO COVID BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING

09:36:29 THAT LINK TO YOU AND TICKETS GO ON SALE NEXT WEEK.
09:36:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:36:34 THANK YOU, MR. VIERA.
09:36:38 WE WILL WAIT TILL MR. VIERA GETS BACK TO HIS SEAT.
09:36:42 WE DID MOVE TO DEAL WITH THE RESOLUTION POINT WHEN HE GETS
09:36:47 BACK.
09:36:47 AND HAVE MR. CARLSON MAKE A MOTION REFERENCE TO THE WORKSHOP
09:36:57 FOR OUR CUBAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
09:36:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
09:37:10 ATTORNEY.
09:37:11 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS ARRIVED, SO PERHAPS WE CAN ADDRESS
09:37:16 THE ISSUE GOING TO ITEMS 100 THROUGH 111 TO SEE WHICH STAFF
09:37:21 NEEDS TO BE PRESENT FOR THOSE RESOLUTIONS FOR STAFF REPORTS.
09:37:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, MAKE SURE TO NOTE MR.
09:37:28 DINGFELDER IS HERE FOR THE RECORD.
09:37:29 MR. DINGFELDER, I HELD UP THOSE ITEMS, SO I ASKED MR. BAIRD
09:37:38 TO STICK AROUND, IF WE CAN RELEASE ANYONE, NOW IS THE TIME,
09:37:44 SIR.
09:37:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I TOOK A LOOK AT THESE AS I ALWAYS DO A
09:37:49 FEW DAYS AGO.
09:37:57 HAS THERE BEEN A MOTION TO RELEASE ANY OF THEM ALREADY?
09:38:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE'S NO MOTION TO RELEASE ANYBODY.
09:38:03 I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE CONTINUANCES OR SOMEONE HERE TO DO
09:38:06 PRESENTATIONS BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS.
09:38:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I'M OKAY WITH 102, 103, 104, 105,

09:38:20 WHICH ARE ALL BIG TICKET ITEMS.
09:38:25 I HAVE SPOKEN TO STAFF AND READ THE MEMORANDUM.
09:38:29 BUT WHAT I DID WANT TO SAY IS, IN RESPONSE TO THOSE,
09:38:33 ESPECIALLY 104 TO MR. BAIRD, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING A REALLY
09:38:41 GOOD JOB ON THE EBO WITH SOME OF THESE LARGER TICKET ITEMS.
09:38:45 AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS, AND WE DON'T WANT THEM TO
09:38:50 ALWAYS THINK WE ARE FUSSING AT THEM ALL THE TIME, AND WHEN
09:38:53 THEY DO A GOOD JOB WE WANT TO GIVE THAT SHOUTOUT.
09:38:56 SO WITH THAT, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH RELEASING 102, 3, 4 AND
09:39:03 5.
09:39:04 UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAD OTHER QUESTIONS.
09:39:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TOO LOOKED AT THEM.
09:39:11 I DID NOT WANT TO RELEASE THEM KNOWING SOMETIMES YOU HAVE
09:39:14 QUESTIONS ON INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS.
09:39:16 BIG TICKET ITEMS.
09:39:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE IT ISSUES WITH THAT BEING
09:39:20 SAID, I GUESS WE CAN RELEASE MR. BAIRD ON THIS AFTERNOON'S
09:39:26 1:30.
09:39:26 AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
09:39:32 I DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM KATHY CASTOR, OUR CONGRESSWOMAN.
09:39:37 I THINK MY AIDE SONYA IS DOWN AT THE PODIUM.
09:39:40 SO BEFORE YOU START, I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ASK HER,
09:39:43 BECAUSE SHE IS OUR CONGRESSWOMAN AND SHE COULD NOT BE HERE,
09:39:46 SHE DID SEND ME A MEMORANDUM, AND I WILL HAVE SONYA ANDERSON
09:39:51 READ THAT MEMORANDUM.

09:39:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN?
09:39:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY, THE WALK-ON RESOLUTION.
09:40:00 YOU MAY PROCEED, MS. ANDERSON.
09:40:03 >> SONYA ANDERSON: GOOD MORNING.
09:40:07 DEAR CHAIRMAN GUDES, I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT COUNCILMAN
09:40:10 VIERA'S RESOLUTION EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE PEOPLE OF CUBA
09:40:13 AND THE PROTESTS THAT CONTINUE ON THE ISLAND.
09:40:17 AS A LONG-TIME ADVOCATE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, I JOIN YOU IN
09:40:20 STANDING WITH THE CUBAN PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPRESSING THEIR
09:40:23 FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF FREE ASSEMBLY AND EXPRESSION.
09:40:27 THE CUBAN PEOPLE DESERVE FREEDOM AND HUMAN DIGNITY.
09:40:31 GENERATIONS OF CUBANS HELPED BUILD TAMPA INTO A HOME WE KNOW
09:40:35 AND LOVE.
09:40:35 AS COUNCILMAN VIERA'S RESOLUTION RIGHTFULLY NOTES, TAMPA HAS
09:40:40 UNIQUE HISTORICAL FAMILIAL AND CULTURAL TIES TO CUBA AND
09:40:44 VALUES OUR BEST ASPIRATIONAL AMERICAN VALUES OF LIBERTY,
09:40:48 TOLERANCE, AND FREEDOM.
09:40:51 YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA THE
09:40:56 PROTESTORS OF CUBA AND SUPPORT THEIR CALLS FOR FREEDOM AND
09:40:58 DICTATOR SHOW, DISEASE AND POVERTY.
09:41:01 WE MUST CONTINUE TO BACK THE CUBAN PEOPLE, NO MATTER HOW
09:41:04 LONG THEIR FIGHT FOR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM, THEY MUST PREVAIL.
09:41:09 AS JOSE MARTI SAYS, LIKE STONES ROLLING DOWN HILLS, IDEAS
09:41:14 REACH THEIR SECTOR DESPITE ALL OBSTACLES AND BARRIERS.
09:41:18 IT MUST BE POSSIBLE TO -- BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP THEM.

09:41:25 SINCERELY, KATHY CASTOR, U.S. REPRESENTATIVE, FLORIDA,
09:41:28 DISTRICT 14.
09:41:32 THANK YOU, MS. ANDERSON.
09:41:33 BEFORE YOU SPEAK, MR. SHELBY, I KNOW WE HAVE A RESOLUTION ON
09:41:38 THE FLOOR AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
09:41:40 I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE TO SPEAK.
09:41:42 >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS LOOKING AT DOING IT AFTER PUBLIC
09:41:48 COMMENT.
09:41:51 YES, SIR.
09:41:51 IF I MAY.
09:41:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
09:41:57 WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:41:58 >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
09:42:12 IT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE.
09:42:14 I'M A CUBAN AMERICAN.
09:42:16 AND I WANT TO THANK THE POLICE IN TAMPA FIRST BECAUSE THEY
09:42:20 HELP US, AND WE SUPPORT THE POLICE.
09:42:24 FOR THE CUBAN COMMUNITY, IT'S BEEN VERY EMOTIONAL BUT ALSO
09:42:32 HARD WATCHING.
09:42:36 I LEFT CUBA WHEN I WAS 25.
09:42:40 MY FATHER IS STILL IN CUBA.
09:42:43 I HAVE COUSINS.
09:42:44 I HAVE FRIENDS.
09:42:46 WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CUBA RIGHT NOW IS HORRIFYING.
09:42:50 THE CUBAN PEOPLE ARE BEING -- BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

09:42:56 THIS WHAT I AM DOING RIGHT NOW HERE SPEAKING TO YOU GUYS
09:42:59 WILL COST ME MY LIFE IN CUBA.
09:43:03 WE NEED THE SUPPORT OF ALL THE COMMUNITIES ON THE FREE
09:43:09 WORLD.
09:43:09 I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING.
09:43:13 THERE IS A MAN HERE, HIS NAME IS ALBERT FOX.
09:43:18 HE HAS BEEN WORKING FOR THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT -- FOR US.
09:43:23 HE IS NOT CUBAN.
09:43:27 HE IS NOT OUR VOICE.
09:43:28 OUR VOICE HAS BEEN CLEAR.
09:43:31 WE NEED FREEDOM.
09:43:34 OUR PEOPLE'S SUFFERING HAS BEEN TOO MUCH, FOR 62 YEARS THE
09:43:38 CUBAN COMMUNITY HAVING EVER BEEN AVAILABLE TO CHOOSE THEIR
09:43:44 GOVERNMENTS.
09:43:48 FOR SAYING IF YOU ARE NOT COMMUNIST, GO TO THE STREET AND
09:43:55 KILL OTHERS.
09:43:56 LAST NIGHT, MY PEOPLE IN THE STREET OF CUBA ARE STILL
09:44:00 FIGHTING FOR THEIR FREEDOM.
09:44:03 SO PLEASE HELP US.
09:44:05 I WANT TO THANK ALSO KATHY CASTOR BECAUSE SHE HEARS OUR
09:44:12 VOICE.
09:44:13 I AM FINALLY HERE SPEAKING OUT.
09:44:15 IT IS INCREDIBLE.
09:44:17 THERE'S STILL PEOPLE CALLING THE REGIME GOVERNMENT.
09:44:23 PEOPLE OF CUBA HAVE NEVER VOTE FOR IT.

09:44:27 PEOPLE OF CUBA ARE SUFFERING, NOT BECAUSE OF EMBARGO.
09:44:31 PEOPLE OF CUBA ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT.
09:44:35 WHEN THE CUBAN PERSON LEFT THE ISLAND, EVERYWHERE WE GO, WE
09:44:41 WOULD PROSPER.
09:44:44 WHERE WE CANNOT PROSPER IN CUBA.
09:44:47 WHY CAN MEN NOT PREACH?
09:44:49 [BELL SOUNDS]
09:44:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:45:14 STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN BEGIN.
09:45:15 >> MY NAME IS TREY WEINGART, ATTORNEY WITHIN HILL, WARD,
09:45:18 HENDERSON HERE ON BEHALF OF BARBARA AND GORDON BABBITT
09:45:23 REGARDING AGENDA ITEM 101.
09:45:26 THIS DEALS WITH THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT APPLICATION FOR AN
09:45:29 AREA NEXT TO 505 SOUTH ROYAL PALM WAY.
09:45:33 I WAS HERE LAST MONTH AND WE DISCUSSED THIS AREA BRIEFLY
09:45:38 BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO REMIND
09:45:40 YOU.
09:45:40 THIS EASEMENT WAS PART OF WHAT'S NOW ONE WITH BLOCK BUT WAS
09:45:44 ORIGINALLY PLAT AT SEVERAL BLOCKS.
09:45:46 THEY INCLUDED WHAT WAS CALLED LOT E, WHICH WAS A SMALL LOT
09:45:49 KIND OF BEHIND THE MAIN BUILDABLE PROPERTIES, AND THERE WAS
09:45:53 AN ALLEYWAY THAT SURROUNDED THAT LOT E.
09:45:59 THESE HAVE ALL BEEN COMBINED, DESPITE THE FACT THAT 100
09:46:02 YEARS AGO THIS BEACH PARK AREA WAS PLATTED, THEY HAVE NOW
09:46:06 BEEN COMBINED INTO ONE LOT THAT INCLUDES THIS LOT.

09:46:08 HOWEVER, THE ALLEYWAY THAT EXISTS IN THAT AREA HAS NEVER
09:46:13 BEEN RELEASED.
09:46:14 NOW, THE REASON THAT ROE, RELEASE OF EASEMENT APPLICATION
09:46:18 BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY, IS BECAUSE THE EASEMENT
09:46:24 HAS GONE BACK FOR 100 YEARS AND KIND OF PROTECTED THE
09:46:28 OVERALL PLAN OF THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE HOMES
09:46:32 FROM BEING OVERBUILT.
09:46:34 AND FROM THAT TIME UNTIL TODAY, THIS EASEMENT HAS EXISTED AS
09:46:37 A BUFFER BETWEEN THE HOMES.
09:46:39 INCLUDING THE BABBITT'S HOME.
09:46:41 NOW, THE LOT THAT'S BEEN CREATED AS A RESULT OF THIS
09:46:44 REZONING PROCESS AND NOW THE EASEMENT APPLICATION IS A LOT
09:46:49 THAT'S NONCONFORMING UNDER CITY CODE, BECAUSE INTERIOR LOT
09:46:55 OF LESS THAN 30 FEET.
09:46:57 THERE'S BEEN LITIGATION FILED OVER THAT AND THAT ISSUE IS
09:47:00 SEPARATE FROM THIS.
09:47:02 BUT THE EASEMENT ITSELF IS ALL THAT REMAINS TO PROTECT THE
09:47:05 100-YEAR-OLD HISTORY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND STOP WHAT
09:47:07 WOULD BE LOT LINE TO LOT LINE BUILDING IN THIS AREA.
09:47:11 IN FACT, IF THIS EASEMENT IS RELEASED AND IF BUILDING HAS
09:47:16 ALREADY COMMENCED.
09:47:17 WHAT THE RESULT WILL BE IS THAT THE 30-FOOT HIGH STRUCTURE
09:47:20 WILL BE ONLY 7 FEET FROM MY SIDE OF THE BABBITT'S BACKYARD
09:47:25 AND THAT WILL RESULT AGAIN IN THREE STRUCTURES, OR
09:47:28 STRUCTURES ON THREE DIFFERENT SITES ONLY SEVEN FEET AWAY.

09:47:31 IT'S A TOTAL CHANGE, AND I WOULD SUBMIT NOT FOR THE BETTER
09:47:35 CHANGE TO THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS REALLY ONE OF
09:47:37 THE MOST HISTORIC AND BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR CITY.
09:47:41 AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE ASKING THAT TODAY, IF CITY
09:47:44 COUNCIL IS GOING TO VOTE ON THIS ISSUE, THAT THEY DENY THE
09:47:48 RELEASE OF EASEMENT.
09:47:49 I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
09:47:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:47:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:47:58 I SEE YOU RAN INTO THE ROOM SO I GATHER YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON
09:48:01 THE ITEM AT 1:30, SIR?
09:48:06 I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON IT AT 1:00 OR 1:30.
09:48:12 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
09:48:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
09:48:18 WE'LL SEE YOU AT 1:30.
09:48:20 CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:48:21 >> OBVIOUSLY, WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY I AM NOT GOING TO SAY
09:48:31 BECAUSE I NEED TO COMMENT ON WHAT THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN
09:48:34 SAID.
09:48:35 I NEVER MET THAT MAN IN MY LIFE, NEVER SEEN HIM IN MY LIFE,
09:48:38 BUT HE SHOULD KNOW AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT I HAVE NEVER
09:48:41 BEEN PAID A PENNY BY THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT, NOR HAVE I EVER
09:48:46 BEEN PAID A PENNY BY ANY CORPORATION IN ANY WORK THAT I HAVE
09:48:48 DONE, THE 20 YEARS.
09:48:51 AND MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE CONSUL, WITH ALL DUE

09:48:57 RESPECT, I PLEAD WITH YOU TO POSTPONE THIS VOTE ON THIS
09:49:01 RESOLUTION THAT'S COMING UP TODAY, BECAUSE IT IS NEVER A
09:49:06 GOOD IDEA TO LEGISLATE IN THE MOMENT OF PASSION.
09:49:12 AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
09:49:17 YOU OUGHT TO HAVE ABSOLUTE CLARITY THAT I AM NOT QUESTIONING
09:49:19 ANY MEMBERS' MOTIVES OR INTEGRITY.
09:49:24 I AM QUESTIONING THE JUDGMENT THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
09:49:29 DEMONSTRATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE IN CUBA WAS NOT GENERATED BY
09:49:34 CHANGE IN THE GOVERNMENT.
09:49:35 THEY WERE GENERATED BECAUSE OF PEOPLE OF CUBA ARE SUFFERING.
09:49:38 THERE'S NO FOOD.
09:49:39 THEY HAVE NO SYRINGES TO GIVE THEMSELVES VACCINE.
09:49:42 THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, THE GREATEST GOVERNMENT ON THE
09:49:46 PLANET, STOPPED THE SHIP OF MEDICAL SUPPLIES TO CUBA, AND
09:49:50 THE STRATEGY IS TO MAKE THE CUBAN PEOPLE SUFFER, THEY WILL
09:49:53 TAKE TO THE STREETS AND OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.
09:49:55 THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN
09:49:57 62 YEARS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
09:50:00 THE BEST WAY TO HELP PEOPLE OF CUBA IS REMOVE THE UNITED
09:50:03 STATES BLOCKADE, AND I WANT TO JUST READ YOU AN E-MAIL THAT
09:50:06 I GOT.
09:50:10 IT SAYS, THIS IS FROM A FRIEND OF MINE I HAVE KNOWN FOR 20
09:50:13 YEARS, 11:30 A.M., JULY 12th.
09:50:16 HE SAYS, IT'S AN UNUSUAL DISTURBANCE BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE
09:50:21 WHO ARE UPSET AND DIFFERENT CENTS UNDER, AND THE RESULTS

09:50:28 THAT YOU SEE ARE THE VIEWS RIGHT NOW UNDER CONTROL.
09:50:30 PLEASE SOMEHOW END IN BIG BOLD LETTERS END THE BLOCKADE AND
09:50:37 THAT WILL MAKE 90% OF THINGS EASIER FOR US BUT YOU KNOW THE
09:50:40 STORY WELL.
09:50:41 HUGS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:50:44 SO I PLEAD FOR YOU TO POSTPONE THIS.
09:50:48 WHEN CALMER HEAD WILL PREVAIL.
09:50:50 THIS IS DONE IN PASSION, AND PEOPLE WERE TAKING TO THE
09:50:55 STREETS, THERE'S VIOLENCE TAKING PLACE, AND THERE'S JUST NOT
09:50:58 GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
09:50:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. FOX.
09:51:02 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:51:03 >> HELLO.
09:51:38 HOW ARE YOU DOING?
09:51:38 I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.
09:51:40 MISSED YOU ALL.
09:51:42 I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT PERHAPS YOU KNOW WHAT, PERHAPS YOU
09:51:47 DON'T.
09:51:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
09:51:50 >> I'M HARD OF HEARING.
09:51:53 MY NAME IS JOHN MOLL-M-O-L-L, 4104 NORTH VIN AVENUE, TAMPA,
09:52:01 FLORIDA.
09:52:02 AND I HAVE A PICTURE HERE OF MY HOUSE THAT I RESIDE IN,
09:52:07 BUILT IN 1908.
09:52:08 PICTURE IS 1920.

09:52:10 AND THAT'S THE WAY IT LOOKED THEN.
09:52:13 THIS IS MY GRANDFATHER AND GRANDMOTHER AND THE FAMILY THAT
09:52:16 THEY HAD AND RAISED IN THIS HOUSE.
09:52:22 IF YOU WANT TO SEE HOW IT LOOKS TODAY, YOU CAN GOOGLE HOME
09:52:27 OF JOHN MOLL AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT DID BACK
09:52:32 IN 1920.
09:52:37 WHAT I AM CONCERNED WITH NOW, I AM TRYING TO GET A
09:52:40 MITIGATION CREDIT.
09:52:41 I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT FOR SEVEN YEARS.
09:52:46 AND I AM HITTING A STONE WALL.
09:52:47 SO WHERE I GO NOW DEPENDS ON I GUESS WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN
09:52:51 NOW AND NEXT WEEK.
09:52:54 THE CITY IS CHARGING HOMESTEADERS FOR HAVING A ROOF OVER
09:52:59 THEIR BED.
09:53:02 THIS YOU CAN SEE, ONE THAT IS IMPERMEABLE, AND LEAKED AND I
09:53:12 WAS SLEEPING, SO THE CITY SENT A SKY WAGON OVER AND SAID YOU
09:53:16 HAVE YOU OWE A CERTAIN KIND OF MONEY.
09:53:19 AND THEY JUSTIFIED IT BY CITING COMMERCIAL CODE, WHICH I
09:53:24 CANNOT MEET, WHICH WAS THAT I HAD TO STORE A 100 YEAR FLOOD
09:53:30 TO BE ABLE TO DRAW IT DOWN TO -- I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE THEY
09:53:36 ARE IMPOSING THIS ON.
09:53:37 THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST GIVE A CALL AND THEY GET PART
09:53:41 OF THE SAME MITIGATION THAT I HAVE BEEN SEVEN YEARS AND
09:53:45 NOTHING AT ALL.
09:53:49 THEY SAY YOU HAVE A ROOF THIS SIZE, YOU PAY THIS MUCH.

09:53:52 AND WHAT THAT AMOUNT CAN BE IS WHATEVER SOMEBODY SAYS.
09:53:57 I GUESS IT COULD BE MY CHARGE NOW, IT USED TO BE $19 WHEN
09:54:02 THEY STARTED IT.
09:54:03 IT'S NOW OVER 260.
09:54:05 WHO KNOWS WHAT IT WILL BE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, PROBABLY A
09:54:09 THOUSAND.
09:54:09 [BELL SOUNDS]
09:54:11 I GUESS THERE'S A TIMER GOING OFF SOMEWHERE.
09:54:15 I DON'T SEE IT. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
09:54:17 I AM JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, CAN THE CITY APPLY COMMERCIAL
09:54:20 CODE TO HOMESTEADERS TO DENY A MITIGATION CREDIT?
09:54:25 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:54:25 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:54:56 MY NAME IS CEDRIC POWELL.
09:54:58 I AM HERE REGARDING THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION APPLICATION ON
09:55:03 1908-36th STREET.
09:55:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, SIR, TO
09:55:09 INTERRUPT.
09:55:09 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:55:11 THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 3.
09:55:12 IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
09:55:22 MS. PETTIS-MACKLE IS HERE.
09:55:24 MAYBE SHE CAN ENLIGHTEN COUNCIL.
09:55:26 >> PETTIS-MACKLE: [OFF MICROPHONE] CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
09:55:41 THIS ITEM IS NUMBER 3, A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE TIERRA

09:55:46 DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND I ASKED FOR
09:55:49 THIS ITEM TO BE HEARD AT THE TIME THAT IT'S SCHEDULED, AFTER
09:55:54 9 A.M.
09:55:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
09:55:59 YOUR ITEM IS COMING UP AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AND THAT WOULD
09:56:03 BE THE TIME TO SPEAK.
09:56:08 I WANT TO LINK WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS ITEM.
09:56:11 JUST HOLD ON.
09:56:12 WE WILL GET BACK WITH YOU.
09:56:13 THANK YOU, SIR.
09:56:14 >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:56:48 HEY, IF YOU ARE REVOLUTIONARY YOU CALL IT REACTIONARY AND
09:56:51 THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE HEARING TODAY.
09:56:53 AND YOU SAY REACTIONARY, YOU SEE DISPARITIES, AND THEY ARE
09:56:57 UNAPOLOGETIC ABOUT IT, AND THEY ARE REALLY DISINGENUOUS
09:57:02 ABOUT IT.
09:57:03 AND IN THIS CUBAN SITUATION THEY HAVE GONE, THEY MAKING BIG
09:57:06 CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
09:57:07 IT AIN'T NOTHING.
09:57:08 THE REAL PROBLEM IN CUBA IS THE 67 YEAR BLOCKADE.
09:57:13 THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM IN CUBA.
09:57:16 CAN YOU HOLD MY TIME, PLEASE?
09:57:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
09:57:30 YOU MAY CONTINUE, SIR.
09:57:31 >> CAN YOU -- YES.

09:57:37 SO WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS REACTION.
09:57:39 YOU SEE REACTION.
09:57:41 YOU JUST SEE HOW DISINGENUOUS PEOPLE ARE.
09:57:44 YOU SEE THE FACT OF THE OF THE MATTER IS WHEN PEOPLE STOOD
09:57:47 UP FOR AFRICAN LIVES, BLACK LIVES, OH, YOU CAN'T MARCH IN
09:57:51 THE STREET, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO RUN OVER THEM BY CAR, YOU
09:57:54 CAN'T SPIN THE BLOCK AND GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, YOU HAVE
09:57:57 THE RIGHT TO RUN OVER THEM.
09:57:58 AND NOW YOU SEE A GARBAGE GOVERNOR TALKING ABOUT, WELL, SEE,
09:58:02 THAT'S DIFFERENT.
09:58:03 YEAH, GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS.
09:58:06 BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS A 67 YEAR BLOCKADE IF YOU WANT
09:58:09 TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT
09:58:11 THAT.
09:58:12 YOU UNDERSTAND?
09:58:13 BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WON'T UNDERSTAND TO BE A BANANA REPUBLIC,
09:58:16 THEN YOU WANT TO TREAT THEM A CERTAIN WAY.
09:58:18 AND THEY HAVE WE HAVE OUR REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT HERE ORLANDO
09:58:20 GUDES THAT REPRESENTS DISTRICT 5.
09:58:21 THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN CUBA.
09:58:23 LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN DISTRICT 35.
09:58:25 LET'S TALK ABOUT 600 THAT YOU BICYCLE STOPS FOR AFRICAN
09:58:29 PEOPLE AND NOBODY STANDING UP FOR THAT.
09:58:30 LET'S TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE RIGHT HERE
09:58:33 IN AMERICA AND NOBODY IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

09:58:35 YOU UNDERSTAND?
09:58:37 FOOLISHNESS.
09:58:37 STRAIGHT FOOLISHNESS.
09:58:39 A BILLION DOLLAR CITY BUDGET.
09:58:41 A BILLION DOLLAR CITY BUDGET.
09:58:42 AND WE ARE 26% OF THIS POPULATION AND NOBODY SAYING ANYTHING
09:58:46 ABOUT THAT.
09:58:48 ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT THAT.
09:58:51 IGNORANCE.
09:58:52 STRAIGHT IGNORANCE.
09:58:53 AND THEY USE THE CON GAME.
09:58:55 THEY RUN A CON GAME ON YOU TO MAKE YOU THINK WE SHOULD
09:58:58 ACCEPT THIS AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
09:58:59 WELL, AS A PERCENTAGE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE HOP AND A PERCENTAGE
09:59:04 OF REAL PEOPLE, TO KNOW THE PROBLEM IN CUBA ISN'T THE
09:59:09 PROBLEM WITH CASTRO, IT ISN'T A PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISM, IT
09:59:12 ISN'T A PROBLEM WITH COMMUNISM, IT'S A PROBLEM WITH AMERICAN
09:59:16 AND WHITE IMPERIALISM.
09:59:18 IT'S CALLED MANIFEST DESTINY WHERE WHITE FOLKS THINK THEY
09:59:22 CAN RUN ANYTHING AND RUN IT THE WAY THEY WANT.
09:59:24 IT'S GREED AND CAPITALISM.
09:59:26 THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
09:59:27 YOU NEED TO WAKE UP AND THE REAL PROBLEM.
09:59:29 AND OUR REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, LET'S
09:59:33 NOT GO TO CUBA, LET'S GO RIGHT HERE IN OUR DISTRICT.

09:59:36 OUR REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT HERE IN OUR DISTRICT NEED TO STAND
09:59:40 UP FOR US AND STOP RUNNING THESE GAMES AND SEE HOW OTHER
09:59:43 PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE AND INSULTING AFRICAN PEOPLE, OH,
09:59:46 POVERTY, MENTALITY, I'M NOT AFRICAN, OH, THEY ARE NOT
09:59:50 TAXPAYERS, WE NEED TO STAND UP FOR REALITY, AND STAND UP FOR
09:59:56 AFRICAN PEOPLE.
09:59:57 THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
09:59:58 IF YOU WANT TO STAND UP FOR CUBAN PEOPLE, END THE BLOCKADE.
10:00:03 WHY IN THE HELL DO THEY HAVE A BLOCKADE ON A COUNTRY THAT
10:00:05 CAN'T EVEN GET IN MEDICAL SUPPLIES?
10:00:08 THAT'S THE REALITY.
10:00:09 THAT'S REAL.
10:00:10 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:00:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
10:00:12 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:00:30 CONNIE BURTON.
10:00:33 I'M ALWAYS TOUCHED WHEN I HEAR THE PRAYER THAT'S OFFERED TO
10:00:40 THE COUNCIL PRIOR TO YOU BEGINNING TO DO THE PEOPLE'S WORK.
10:00:45 BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE AGENDA, I AM ALWAYS SEARCHING IN
10:00:50 TERMS MUCH WHAT IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY
10:00:53 WHICH I REPRESENT.
10:00:56 I TRULY BELIEVE ALL PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HUMAN DIGNITY.
10:01:02 ALL PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HOUSES.
10:01:04 ALL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE IN PEACE.
10:01:08 BUT HOW CAN WE DO THAT BEYOND JUST PROCLAMATIONS?

10:01:14 HOW DO WE GET OUR POLITICAL LEADERSHIP FROM THE FEDERAL
10:01:19 LEVEL AND STATE LEVEL AND LOCAL LEVEL TO SEE WHAT THE REAL
10:01:22 NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.
10:01:23 HOW CAN WE BECOME SO FIXATED WITH JUMPING FROM ISSUE TO
10:01:30 ISSUE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GENTRIFICATION INSIDE OF THIS
10:01:34 CITY, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO STOP THAT.
10:01:38 WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ENDING OPPRESSION, WE HAVEN'T
10:01:40 BEEN ABLE TO STOP IT HERE, INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I AM
10:01:45 OFTEN HEARING FROM THIS POLITICAL BODY IS WHY WE CAN'T DO
10:01:50 IT.
10:01:50 WELL, I BELIEVE YOU COULD DO IT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.
10:01:53 IF YOU HAVE POLITICAL WILL AND IF YOU HAVE POLITICAL WANT,
10:01:57 YOU CAN TRANSFORM EAST TAMPA TO BECOME THE MODEL.
10:02:04 PEOPLE SAY THAT AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY OF THE
10:02:06 WORLD.
10:02:07 AND I HAVE LIVED A LOT OF PLACES.
10:02:11 I AM TELLING YOU WHAT I SEE IN EAST TAMPA IS PEOPLE BEING
10:02:17 DEMORALIZED BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AGENDA ITEM OF 111
10:02:21 PAGES RESOLUTIONS AND SAY THAT MONEY IS MOVING ALL THROUGH
10:02:26 THIS CITY WITH A $1.3 BILLION BUDGET, AND ALL I SEE IN OUR
10:02:33 COMMUNITY MORE CRIME, MORE HOPE -- MORE HOPELESSNESS.
10:02:42 IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO BE A MODEL FOR OTHER
10:02:45 COUNTRIES TO SEE, START AT HOME.
10:02:47 LET US MOVE TOWARDS MAKING EAST TAMPA BETTER, SO WE HAVE TO
10:02:54 WORK WITH A REVOLUTION.

10:02:57 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
10:03:41 I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PLANS FOR 5023 TO HAVE A LIQUOR
10:03:48 LICENSE AND REZONING DONE.
10:03:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
10:03:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT IS SET FOR A PUBLIC
10:03:57 HEARING.
10:03:57 I DON'T RECALL WHICH ITEM THAT IS.
10:03:59 IS IT ON FOR SECOND READING?
10:04:01 >> HE JUST ASKED ME TO COME UP HERE.
10:04:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 96 IS A SECOND READING.
10:04:10 THAT WILL BE TAKEN UP WHEN THE ITEM IS CALLED UP
10:04:12 SPECIFICALLY.
10:04:12 YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, SIR.
10:04:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE'LL TAKE IT
10:04:17 AT THAT TIME WHEN THAT COMES UP.
10:04:18 >> THANK YOU.
10:04:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:04:21 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:04:51 MY NAME IS MICHAEL FITROW, A SENIOR AT SPEARING COLLEGE IN
10:04:56 THE PUBLIC POLICY ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM WITH PROFESSOR
10:04:58 CONCHNOBLE.
10:05:01 I AM ACTUALLY HERE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:05:06 2021-8-CHAPTER 127 FOR THE CIGAR FACTORY TO BECOME --
10:05:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 3, ONCE WE
10:05:14 FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT YOU WILL BE A SPEAKER AT THAT

10:05:19 PARTICULAR TIME.
10:05:19 >> THANK YOU.
10:05:21 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMAN.
10:05:56 MY NAME IS ANDRE HILL.
10:05:59 I'M ORIGINALLY BLACK NATIVE AMERICAN OF TAMPA.
10:06:04 THE REASON I AM HERE TODAY IS A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, YOU THE
10:06:11 CITY COUNCIL, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING
10:06:14 FORWARD WITH INDIVIDUALS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, DEVELOPING
10:06:19 AND STABILIZING THEMSELVES.
10:06:22 BUT I AM ANTICIPATING A BOTTLENECK.
10:06:26 AND THE REASON I AM HERE TODAY, ONE OF THE THINGS AS A
10:06:31 NATIVE TAMPANIAN, WHEN I LIVED AWAY PARTICULARLY IN
10:06:36 WASHINGTON, D.C., I LEARNED TWO VALUABLE THINGS.
10:06:39 AND I WORKED IN A LAW FIRM.
10:06:42 THERE ARE TEMPLATES TO FILE PETITIONS OR ORGANIZATIONAL
10:06:48 STRUCTURE.
10:06:48 AND THESE TEMPLATES ARE VERY COMMON.
10:06:51 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ANTICIPATE IS THAT IN GETTING
10:06:59 PACKAGES APPROVED, THE ISSUE IS ALWAYS, IT HAS TO CLEAR
10:07:05 LEGAL.
10:07:07 AND SO MY CONCERN IS THERE ARE TEMPLATES AND THERE ARE
10:07:14 PRECEDENTS SET ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE IN THE
10:07:16 COMMUNITY WORKING WITH CAC, THE CRA, CAN GET THINGS DONE
10:07:22 EXPEDITIOUSLY.
10:07:23 I THINK THAT THERE IS A BOTTLENECK HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA

10:07:27 GETTING THINGS APPROVED EXPEDITIOUSLY, AND I THINK THAT THE
10:07:33 CRA AND CITY COUNCIL NEED TO ENCOURAGE THE CURRENT
10:07:37 ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT SPECIAL PROVISIONS, PARTICULARLY
10:07:42 FOR BLACK AMERICANS.
10:07:44 NOW, I HAVE SEEN -- WE HAVE REQUESTED SMALL PROJECTS LIKE
10:07:49 $50,000.
10:07:51 AND I HAVE SEEN ENTIRE BUILDING COMPLEXES GO UP BY OUTSIDE
10:07:56 DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING IN AND GETTING THINGS DONE.
10:07:58 SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SPECIAL ATTENTION PAID OR
10:08:02 PROVISIONS MADE FOR THESE SMALL BLACK AMERICANS THAT ARE
10:08:06 TYPICALLY FIRST GENERATION ENTREPRENEURS, THAT TYPICALLY
10:08:09 DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN BE BANKING SYSTEMS, TO EXPEDITE THINGS
10:08:13 THROUGH THE BUREAUCRACY OF THE CITY.
10:08:15 SO I AM ENCOURAGING THE CITY OF TAMPA, CITY COUNCIL, TO LOOK
10:08:21 INTO THE BOTTLENECK OF GETTING THINGS DONE THROUGH LEGAL.
10:08:26 THERE ARE TEMPLATES.
10:08:27 THERE ARE PRECEDENTS.
10:08:28 AND WHEN I WAS A CONTRACTOR IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THERE WAS A
10:08:31 PROBLEM GETTING CONTRACTORS BECAUSE THERE WAS A BOTTLENECK
10:08:35 IN THE PAYMENT PROCESS.
10:08:36 WELL, I DID GOOD BECAUSE WE HELPED THEM GET ESTABLISHED A
10:08:41 PROGRAM TO EXPEDITE THE PAYMENT, AND I GOT A LOT OF --
10:08:45 COMPLETED A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
10:08:48 IT JUST TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO SAY, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
10:08:51 YOU KNOW, I WORKED IN A LAW FIRM.

10:08:53 DO WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO COME IN TO DO THE RESEARCH, SET A
10:08:57 PRECEDENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET IN OTHER CITIES, YOU
10:09:00 KNOW.
10:09:01 SO I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE CURRENT
10:09:04 ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE WHILE THESE LEGAL --
10:09:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:09:10 I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
10:09:12 >> THANK YOU.
10:09:13 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:09:50 IF YOU CAN HOLD THE TIMER FOR I A SECOND WHILE I GET THESE
10:09:53 PHOTOS ON THE BOARD.
10:09:55 MY NAME IS MARTHA BODDEN.
10:10:18 I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MANATEE DEATHS THAT HAVE BEEN
10:10:22 REPORTED IN FLORIDA.
10:10:24 MORE MANATEES HAVE DIED ALREADY THIS YEAR THAN IN ANY OTHER
10:10:27 YEAR IN FLORIDA'S RECORDED HISTORY.
10:10:29 PRIMARILY FROM STARVATION DUE TO THE LOSS OF SEAGRASS BEDS.
10:10:34 THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION
10:10:37 REPORTED THAT 841 MANATEE DEATHS WERE RECORDED BETWEEN
10:10:40 JANUARY 1st AND JULY 2nd BREAKING THE PREVIOUS
10:10:43 RECORD OF 830 THAT DIED IN 2013 BECAUSE OF RED TIDE.
10:10:51 BIOLOGISTS BELIEVE THAT WATER POLLUTION IS KILLING THE
10:10:54 SEAGRASS BEDS CAUSING THESE DEATHS.
10:10:57 MOST DEATHS OCCURRED DURING THE COLDER MONTHS WHEN MANATEES
10:11:02 MIGRATED THROUGH THE INDIAN LAGOON WHEN THE SEAGRASS DIED

10:11:07 OFF, AND IT IS NOW CLASSIFIED AS THREATENED.
10:11:13 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTAL DOES APPROXIMATELY 6300 MANATEES
10:11:16 LIVE IN FLORIDA WATERS WHICH HAS INCREASED.
10:11:20 MORE THAN 750 MANATEES HAVE DIED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE
10:11:24 YEAR.
10:11:24 THE MOST DEATHS EVER RECORDED IN A 5-MONTH PERIOD.
10:11:30 THE PROBLEMS STARTED IN 2011 WHEN AN ALGAE SUPER BLOOM
10:11:34 COVERED MORE THAN 130,000 ACRES OF WATER BLOCKING THE
10:11:38 SUNLIGHT AND CAUSING A MASSIVE DIEOFF OF SEAGRASS.
10:11:41 WHEN THE ALGAE BLOOMS ARE REALLY BAD, YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR
10:11:44 HAND BELOW THE SURFACE.
10:11:48 THE ALGAE BLOOMS STARTED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
10:11:53 OVER TEN YEARS PERIOD, THIS HAS DECREASED OF ABOUT 46,000
10:12:01 ACRES, SEAGRASS HAS DECREASED.
10:12:07 THE HIGH NUMBER OF MANATEE DEATHS THIS YEAR LED THE U.S.
10:12:11 FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE TO DESIGNATE AN USUAL MORTALITY
10:12:16 EVENT AND OPEN AN INVESTIGATION.
10:12:17 THERE ARE SOME FACILITIES IN FLORIDA THAT HAVE BEEN
10:12:20 REHABILITATED, THESE MANATEES.
10:12:25 THERE IS MORE TO READ IN THESE ARTICLES, BUT WHAT I WANT TO
10:12:27 GET TO IS FOR TAMPA, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE TWO RIGHT THERE AND
10:12:34 THERE, WE HAVE TWO MANATEE VIEWING AREAS RIGHT AROUND THE
10:12:37 GULF.
10:12:38 SO WE PLAY A PART IN THIS ROLE.
10:12:41 ALL OF FLORIDA NEEDS TO ACT BUT ALSO WE CAN ACT AS TAMPA.

10:12:45 I RECOMMEND THAT WHAT WE DO IS HELP WITH PLANTING SEAGRASS
10:12:54 AND REHABILITATING MANATEES, AND IF WE CAN'T PLANT SEAGRASS,
10:12:58 THEN TO HAVE TEAMS GO OUT AND GIVE THEM SEAGRASS FOOD.
10:13:04 THANK YOU.
10:13:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:13:05 >> NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
10:13:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:13:34 HOW MANY DO WE HAVE, SEVEN?
10:13:36 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
10:13:47 >> MY NAME IS TOM CONNOLLY, THE VIRGINIA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
10:13:51 ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, AND I AM SPEAKING CONCERNING AGENDA
10:13:53 ITEM 111 CONCERNING USE OF COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY
10:13:59 FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
10:14:02 I AM ASKING THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PASS A RESOLUTION TO
10:14:05 AMEND ITS RULES OF PROCEDURE WHICH WERE LAST MODIFIED ON
10:14:09 NOVEMBER 21st, 2013.
10:14:14 THE GENIE IS OUT OF THE BOTTLE AND IT'S NOT REASONABLE.
10:14:20 PUBLIC PARTICIPATION HAS GROWN WITH CMT AND VOICES TO BE
10:14:23 HEARD BY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
10:14:25 IN FACT IN YOUR RESOLUTION 202490 WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL IS
10:14:32 NOT PRESENTED TO CONTINUALLY UTILIZE CMT FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS
10:14:37 AFTER EXPIRATION OF 2069, PROVIDED THAT MOST MEMBERS PRESENT
10:14:44 IN PHYSICAL LOCATION AND OTHERWISE SUPPLIED WITH CHAPTER --
10:14:49 OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, YOU HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT
10:14:54 [INDISCERNIBLE] USE THE TECHNOLOGY, FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND

10:14:59 PARTICIPATION.
10:14:59 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:15:00 >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE GORDON BABBITT.
10:15:08 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE
10:15:10 THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:15:22 GORDON BABBITT, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:15:24 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:15:27 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:15:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:15:33 >> OKAY.
10:15:34 FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
10:15:37 I HAVE A CUP OF POINTS AND A QUESTION.
10:15:40 MY WIFE BARBARA BABBITT AND I HAVE LIVED AT OUR HOUSE AT
10:15:43 4604 WEST BEACH PARK DRIVE SINCE 1998.
10:15:48 WE ARE AGAINST RELEASING THE EASEMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW
10:15:52 CONSTRUCTION OF A 30-PLUS FOOT TALL STRUCTURE WITHIN 7 FEET
10:15:57 OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
10:15:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] MR. SHELBY.
10:16:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
10:16:08 IT'S BEEN CONTINUED.
10:16:09 IT APPEARS UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS AND I BELIEVE THAT ITEM
10:16:14 WILL BE ADDRESSED WHEN IT COMES UP.
10:16:16 BUT IT IS NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
10:16:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE, MR. BABBITT.
10:16:21 I'M SORRY.

10:16:22 WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR.
10:16:23 >> OKAY.
10:16:25 LET ME START IN THE MIDDLE HERE.
10:16:26 MY WIFE BARBARA BABBITT AND I HAVE LIVED AT OUR HOUSE AT
10:16:30 4604 WEST BEACH PARK DRIVE SINCE 1998.
10:16:34 WE ARE AGAINST RELEASING THE EASEMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW
10:16:37 CONSTRUCTION OF A 30-FOOT-PLUS STRUCTURE WITHIN SEVEN FEET
10:16:42 OF OUR PROPERTY LINE.
10:16:44 WE ALREADY HAVE A HOUSE ON BOTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY WITHIN
10:16:48 SEVEN FEET.
10:16:49 ALLOWING CONSTRUCTION IN THE EASEMENT WILL CREATE A CANYON
10:16:52 AROUND OUR HOUSE AND SEVERAL MONTHS OF THE YEAR NO SUNLIGHT
10:16:55 WILL ENTER OUR OWN BACKYARD.
10:16:59 WE BELIEVE THIS WILL RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN
10:17:04 THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY.
10:17:08 MILANO HOMES IS ALREADY BUILDING IN THE EASEMENT.
10:17:11 SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS MILANO BUILDING IN THE EASEMENT
10:17:14 BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED?
10:17:17 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ANY CONSIDERATION YOU GIVE TO
10:17:20 OUR ISSUE.
10:17:21 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE CAROLYN
10:17:26 BENNETT.
10:17:26 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE
10:17:29 THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:17:30 >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

10:17:34 I AM THE NEW VICE PRESIDENT OF T.H.A.N.
10:17:38 THE ELECTIONS WERE HELD LAST NIGHT.
10:17:40 AND I CONGRATULATE STEPHANIE POYNOR AND SANDY SANCHEZ AND
10:17:45 STEVE MEADOWS.
10:17:47 I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM.
10:17:49 THEY ARE AN INCREDIBLE BUNCH OF NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATES.
10:17:53 AND THEY SACRIFICE A LOT OF TIME IN THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES
10:18:00 TO HELP TO MAKE TAMPA A BETTER PLACE.
10:18:03 AND I AM VERY PROUD TO BE WORKING WITH THEM.
10:18:08 THE JOB OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT CHANGED IN DECADES.
10:18:14 DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS CHANGED
10:18:16 DRAMATICALLY.
10:18:20 WE HAVE SO MANY MORE PEOPLE.
10:18:22 WE HAVE SO MANY MORE THINGS COMING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
10:18:26 AND I THINK COUNCILMAN GUDES IS RIGHT IN SAYING THAT WE NEED
10:18:29 TO CUT THINGS OFF AT 11:00.
10:18:32 I LOVE THAT IDEA BECAUSE IT'S JUST UNREASONABLE TO ASK
10:18:34 PEOPLE TO SIT UNTIL MIDNIGHT SO THAT THEY CAN BE HEARD ON
10:18:39 IMPORTANT ISSUES.
10:18:40 THE PROBLEM IS, THE CITY HAS GROWN, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS
10:18:44 NOT.
10:18:45 YOU GUYS SHOULD BE FULL TIME, OR THREE QUARTERS TIME, OR
10:18:48 WHATEVER TIME IT NEEDS TO TAKE TO HAVE MORE MEETINGS.
10:18:53 THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
10:18:54 BUT CUTTING OFF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

10:18:58 THE CMT IS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE WHO OTHERWISE
10:19:03 CANNOT PARTICIPATE, AND THE CITY IS BETTER FOR THEIR
10:19:07 PARTICIPATION.
10:19:07 THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT COME INTO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS,
10:19:12 IT'S AN UNSURMOUNTABLE OBSTACLE ALL OF THE TIME.
10:19:16 THEY WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
10:19:18 AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE INSURMOUNTABLE OBSTACLE SOME OF
10:19:24 THE TIME.
10:19:24 HOWEVER, CMT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE AND IT'S A BENEFIT
10:19:28 TO THE CITY AND TO EVERYBODY IN TAMPA, SO I AM ENCOURAGING
10:19:31 YOU TO CONTINUE THAT ALONG WITH THE IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
10:19:34 I LOVE SEEING YOU GUYS IN PERSON, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES
10:19:39 IT'S JUST TOO HARD TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
10:19:41 SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THE CMT ALONG WITH THE IN-PERSON.
10:19:46 AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET MORE
10:19:49 MEETINGS, THAT'S THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, NOT LOSING
10:19:52 PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.
10:19:54 THE OTHER COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE ON ITEM NUMBER 110, I
10:19:59 UNDERSTAND CITY STAFF NEEDS MORE TIME ON THAT.
10:20:05 THEY ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE TO A TIME WHEN I AM GOING TO BE
10:20:08 OUT OF STATE FOR A WEDDING AND IS ONE OF THE CO-AUTHORS OF
10:20:11 THAT AMENDMENT.
10:20:13 I THINK I PROBABLY SHOULD BE THERE.
10:20:15 SO I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE TO
10:20:18 SEPTEMBER AND THAT'S FINE.

10:20:19 THANKS, GUYS.
10:20:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:20:21 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WAS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:20:26 HOWEVER, STEPHANIE DID NOT PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE SO WE ARE
10:20:29 GOING TO JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:20:31 JEAN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU
10:20:34 HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:20:35 >> HELLO EVERYBODY.
10:20:40 MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:20:43 SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:20:45 CONGRATULATIONS TO STEPHANIE AND CARROLL ANN AND STEVE AND
10:20:50 SANCHEZ AND T.H.A.N.
10:20:52 I AM CALLING TO ASK YOU ALL TO CONTINUE WITH 111 AND
10:20:59 CONTINUE THE CMT PROGRAM.
10:21:03 I RUN A BUSINESS THAT REQUIRES ME TO BE AT MY COMPUTER.
10:21:05 HOWEVER, I CAN LISTEN AND PARTICIPATE.
10:21:09 AND MY NEIGHBOR IN OUR INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD
10:21:13 ASSOCIATION COMES TO ME AND LET'S ME KNOW ABOUT THE MEETINGS
10:21:16 AND LET ME KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY ASK THAT I
10:21:19 PARTICIPATE ON THEIR BEHALF.
10:21:20 SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO DEFINITELY KEEP THIS GOING.
10:21:26 YOU KNOW, WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS IN THE CHAMBERS, AS
10:21:29 CARROLL ANN SAID, WE MISS SEEING YOU GUYS BUT IT'S NOT
10:21:34 ALWAYS POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE MISSING DINNER WITH OUR
10:21:37 FAMILIES AND JUST MAKING TIME FROM HOME JUST SITTING THERE

10:21:40 WAITING.
10:21:43 SO I ASK THAT YOU KEEP THIS GOING.
10:21:48 WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.
10:21:49 WE ARE GETTING OLDER.
10:21:50 YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:21:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:21:53 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE SHARBEL.
10:21:58 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:22:00 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:22:01 >> GOOD MORNING HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
10:22:07 MY NAME IS SHARBEL AND I AM A CORPORATE AND REAL ESTATE
10:22:11 LAWYER WITH MY WIFE, TWO TAMPA BAY CHILDREN IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:22:16 I AM VICE CHAIR OF THE SECOND DCA NOMINATING COMMISSION, I
10:22:21 AM A MEMBER OF THE KREWE OF THE NIGHTS OF SANTIAGO AND
10:22:27 CHRIST THE KING CHURCH.
10:22:28 I AM A PROUD TAMPANIAN.
10:22:30 I AM ALSO THE SON AND HUSBAND OF CUBAN IMMIGRANTS.
10:22:33 I AM A PROUD CUBAN AMERICAN.
10:22:35 AND I SPEAK TODAY ON BEHALF OF COUNCILMAN VIERA'S RESOLUTION
10:22:38 IN SUPPORT OF THE BURGEONING CUBAN PROTEST MOVEMENT.
10:22:42 WHY ARE CUBANS PROTESTING? CUBANS ARE KNOWN THE WORLD OVER
10:22:45 BEING HARD WORKING AND INDUSTRIOUS.
10:22:48 CUBANS COMPILES MADE THEIR MARK IN EVERY PART OF LIFE,
10:22:54 IRONICALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT CUBANS AREN'T SUCCESSFUL IS
10:22:58 CUBA ITSELF, AND THE BLAME FOR THAT LIES SQUARELY WITH ITS

10:23:02 TOTALITARIAN MARXIST LENNONIST REGIME.
10:23:07 THE PEOPLE OF CUBA FINALLY HAD ENOUGH.
10:23:11 PEOPLE OF CUBA TOOK TO THE STREETS IN MORE THAN 40 CITIES
10:23:14 THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND SEEKING NOT JUST FOOD AND MEDICINE
10:23:17 FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT BUT RESPECT FOR BASIC HUMAN DIGNITIES.
10:23:20 FOR THE LIFE, LIBERTY AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
10:23:23 THIS MOVEMENT IS ORGANIC, UNORGANIZED AND GRASSROOTS AND
10:23:26 DESERVES OUR COLLECTIVE SUPPORT.
10:23:29 THEIR DEMANDS ARE CAPTURED IN THE SLOGAN OF HOME LAND AND
10:23:33 LIFE.
10:23:34 IT FLIPS THE DICTATORSHIPS MOTTO, HOMELAND OR DEATH, ON ITS
10:23:40 HEAD AND STATES THAT CUBA SHOULD BE FOR ALL CUBANS, NOT JUST
10:23:44 THE PRIVILEGED PARTY OF ELITES.
10:23:46 THIS ISN'T A PARTISAN ISSUE.
10:23:48 COUNCILMAN VIERA WHOM I RESPECT, AND I MAY HAVE OUR
10:23:52 DISAGREEMENTS, BUT LIKE ALL AMERICANS, WE SHARE A BELIEF IN
10:23:54 THE CORE VALUES IN THE CONSTITUTION AND SELF-EVIDENT TRUTHS
10:23:59 OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND FURTHERMORE THOSE
10:24:01 VALUES ARE UNIVERSAL HUMAN VALUES AND INALIENABLE GOD-GIVEN
10:24:07 RIGHTS THAT SHOULD BE DEFENDED, AND SUPPORT WHEREVER THEY
10:24:09 MAY BE.
10:24:10 SOME OF YOU MAY REASONABLY ASK, WITH SO MANY CHALLENGES ON
10:24:13 OUR DOORSTEP, WHY SHOULD THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPEND ITS
10:24:16 VALUABLE TIME FOCUSING ON THE AFFAIRS OF 100?
10:24:21 FIRST OF ALL CUBA AND ITS PEOPLE AREN'T SO FOREIGN.

10:24:24 TAMPA IS HOME OF THE THIRD LARGEST POPULATION OF CUBAN
10:24:27 AMERICANS AS WELL AS IMMIGRANTS FROM COUNTLESS OTHER
10:24:29 COUNTRIES THAT COME HERE FLEEING OPPRESSION AND ARE WATCHING
10:24:32 THESE EVENTS CLOSELY.
10:24:34 THIS IS A DEEP AND PERSONAL ISSUE TO MANY OF YOUR
10:24:37 CONSTITUENTS MANY OF WHOM STILL HAVE FAMILIES SUFFERING
10:24:39 UNDER THE CASTRO REGIME.
10:24:41 MY WIFE AND I, THERE ARE THOUSANDS LIKE US, AND WE VOTE
10:24:44 EARLY AND OFTEN.
10:24:45 FURTHERMORE AS MANY OF NOW THE HISTORY OF TAMPA AND THE
10:24:48 REPUBLIC OF CUBA.
10:24:51 WE AREN'T RECENT IMMIGRANTS.
10:24:54 WE ARE SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH GENERATIONS WHO HELPED BUILT
10:24:58 THIS CITY IN THE DAYS OF HENRY PLANT.
10:25:02 THERE WOULDN'T BE THE CIGAR FACTORIES AND CUBAN
10:25:05 IMMIGRANTS --
10:25:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:25:08 THANK YOU.
10:25:08 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:25:10 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE STEPHANIE
10:25:15 POYNOR.
10:25:15 STEPHANIE, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:25:18 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:25:19 >> GOOD MORNING, COULD I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE?
10:25:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, MA'AM.

10:25:25 >> OH, YOU ARE NO FUN TODAY.
10:25:26 OKAY.
10:25:27 I JUST WANTED TO START OFF BY ANNOUNCING TO YOU GUYS THAT
10:25:31 THE -- INSTALLED AS PRESIDENT OF T.H.A.N. LAST NIGHT,
10:25:41 CARROLL ANN BENNETT THE VICE PRESIDENT, STEVE MEADOWS OF
10:25:45 PORT TAMPA, AND SANCHEZ IS NOW THE SECRETARY.
10:25:49 SO LOOK FORWARD WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU COME TO VISIT.
10:25:55 SO BOTTOM LINE I AM NOT HERE FOR THAT.
10:25:58 I AM HERE BECAUSE -- I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT CMT.
10:26:08 THIS PROCESS WHILE IT MAY SEEM MORE CUMBERSOME TO SOME
10:26:12 STAFF, IT ALLOWS FOLKS TO APPEAR WHO NORMALLY WOULDN'T.
10:26:15 WITH MY HUSBAND OUT OF TOWN I AM THE SOLE CARETAKER OF MY
10:26:20 CHILDREN.
10:26:21 I CAN'T BE OUT OF THE HOUSE FOR HOURS ON END.
10:26:24 I WOULD MUCH RATHER BE HERE THIS MORNING.
10:26:27 I HAVE BEEN IN TAMPA SINCE 2012.
10:26:35 CITY COUNCIL IS DOING BUSINESS ON THURSDAYS.
10:26:37 MS. FOXX-KNOWLES RESPONDED TO ME PROMPTLY AND SAID THEY HAVE
10:26:40 BEEN DOING IT FOR AT LEAST 18 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN WITH
10:26:42 THE CITY.
10:26:43 WELL, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THAT.
10:26:48 IN 2000 THE POPULATION OF TAMPA WAS 303 THAT YOU.
10:26:51 ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS IT'S 404 THAT YOU TODAY.
10:26:55 SO YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN A 25% INCREASE IN THE POPULATION OF
10:27:00 THE CITY.

10:27:01 I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S PROBABLY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO --
10:27:06 MORE THAN THAT.
10:27:08 WHILE I PERSONALLY LIKE CMT AFTER SPENDING WEEKS LOOKING AT
10:27:12 THE CITY'S BUDGET FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE I WAS ASTOUNDED
10:27:15 AT THE OVERWHELMING SPENDING FOR THE NONENTERPRISE
10:27:20 DEPARTMENT.
10:27:25 DEVOTED TO EXPENSES IN MOST AREAS.
10:27:27 WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD ARGUE THAT STAFF USE CMT TO
10:27:33 ACTUALLY INCREASE THEIR PRODUCTIVITY.
10:27:34 SITTING IN THE GALLERY WAITING TO SEE IF SOMEONE NEEDS THEIR
10:27:37 EXPERT TESTIMONY MAKES LITTLE SENSE IF SOMEONE COULD BE
10:27:40 WORKING AT THEIR DESK WAITING TO BE CALLED ON BIN YOU
10:27:44 GENTLEMEN.
10:27:49 IF POLLED CITY STAFF WOULD AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT.
10:27:51 BY THE SAME TOKEN IF YOU ARE DOING IT FOR STAFF IN ORDER TO
10:27:54 BE BETTER STEWARD OF THE CITIZENS MONEY, THEN IT SHOULDN'T
10:27:56 BE TERRIBLY DIFFICULT TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
10:28:00 CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
10:28:04 CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS TECHNOLOGY HAS BECOME AVAILABLE.
10:28:08 BUT REALISTICALLY YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHY YOU HAVE 111 ITEMS
10:28:13 ON THIS AGENDA.
10:28:14 IT'S UNREALISTIC AND OVERWHELMING FOR PART TIME EMPLOYEES.
10:28:18 CITY COUNCIL, YOUR CONSTITUENT BASE HAS GROWN BY 25% IN THE
10:28:23 LAST 20 YEARS, BUT IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU DO
10:28:27 BUSINESS, TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS WITH THE MOST

10:28:30 EFFECTIVE --
10:28:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
10:28:34 THANK YOU.
10:28:34 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE BARBARA AVIVA
10:28:43 BADCAMP.
10:28:45 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:28:46 >> MY NAME IS IRA, AND I AM THE WIFE OF CHARREL WHO YOU
10:28:57 HEARD EARLIER TODAY.
10:29:02 A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
10:29:03 I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CUBA, CAME TO THIS COUNTRY WHEN I
10:29:09 WAS 15 YEARS OLD.
10:29:11 LIVING IN CUBA -- MY DAD WAS A POLICEMAN AND I -- UNTIL MY
10:29:23 FAMILY AND I AM CAME TO THIS COUNTRY.
10:29:26 WE ARE RIGHT HERE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I GOT
10:29:29 A TASTE OF WHAT FREEDOM IS, AND THIS BECAME MY COUNTRY AND
10:29:37 MY HOME.
10:29:38 TODAY, MY PEOPLE HAVE COME OUT TO THE STREETS IN CUBA
10:29:42 BECAUSE I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT FELT LIKE I DIDN'T
10:29:46 BELONG.
10:29:47 BECAUSE AFTER PEOPLE TOOK TO THE STREET THOUSANDS OF CUBANS
10:29:52 THAT FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T BELONG, LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE A
10:29:55 VOICE.
10:29:56 AND THEY ARE ALL TAKING TO THE STREETS NOW.
10:29:59 THEY ARE RISKING THEIR LIVES.
10:30:01 THE CHILDREN ARE BEING KILLED.

10:30:04 THEY ARE RISKING IT ALL TO GET THEIR COUNTRY BACK THAT
10:30:07 BELONGS TO THEM.
10:30:09 GET THEIR FREEDOM BACK.
10:30:11 GET THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS BACK.
10:30:15 IT'S NOT WHAT YOU HEAR THEM SCREAM AFTER BEING BEATEN AND
10:30:18 SHOT AT IN STREETS.
10:30:20 FREEDOM.
10:30:20 THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
10:30:22 AND THEN 62 YEARS OF COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP, WE AS AMERICANS
10:30:28 IN MY HOME CITY OF TAMPA WE NEED TO SUPPORT THAT.
10:30:31 WE NEED TO STAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.
10:30:33 AND WE NEED TO STAND FOR FREEDOM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THIS
10:30:37 COUNTRY STANDS FOR.
10:30:39 AND OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CUBA NEED OUR SUPPORT AND
10:30:45 THEY NEED IT NOW.
10:30:48 THEY ARE BEING KILLED ON THE STREETS.
10:30:50 THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED AND THEY NEED
10:30:53 ATTENTION NOW.
10:30:54 THE ONLY THING IS INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION.
10:30:58 OTHERWISE, PEOPLE WILL DISAPPEAR, PEOPLE WILL JUST BE KILLED
10:31:02 AND NOBODY WILL KNOW THEIR NAMES.
10:31:14 WE MUST DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP.
10:31:17 I AM GOING TO FINISH WITH -- I WILL THANK EVERYBODY FOR
10:31:26 THEIR SUPPORT, AND ANYBODY THAT'S NOT CUBAN THAT WANTS TO
10:31:33 STAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND DO SOMETHING TO

10:31:35 SUPPORT MY PEOPLE, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL THEIR
10:31:38 SUPPORT.
10:31:38 THANK YOU.
10:31:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:31:40 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT CONCLUDES AGENDAED PUBLIC COMMENT
10:31:44 PORTION OF TODAY'S AGENDA.
10:31:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.
10:31:49 I BELIEVE MR. DINGFELDER SLIPPED ME A NOTE HERE, GENTLEMEN,
10:31:53 IN REFERENCE TO CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 16, SIR?
10:31:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
10:31:58 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:32:02 I APOLOGIZE FOR REQUESTING THIS A LITTLE LATE.
10:32:09 ITEM 16 IS THE NEW MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM THAT TPD HAS
10:32:13 INITIATED AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENOUGH TO HAVE A
10:32:17 BRIEF LESS THAN FIVE MINUTE DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED TO JUST
10:32:22 APPROVING THIS ITEM ON CONSENT.
10:32:26 I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM.
10:32:27 I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT CHEF BERCAW AND HIS TEAM HAVE
10:32:32 BEEN DOING AS WELL AS CHIEF DUGAN, OF COURSE.
10:32:35 BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY HEAR THAT
10:32:38 WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS ON THIS IMPORTANT ITEM.
10:32:41 SO I JUST REQUEST THAT WE PULL ITEM 16 FOR A VERY CIVIL AND
10:32:45 POSITIVE DISCUSSION.
10:32:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS?
10:32:51 >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW THAT -- I WANT TO SECOND THAT.

10:32:54 I THINK MR. DINGFELDER BROUGHT THAT UP LAST YEAR AND I DO
10:32:58 AGREE.
10:32:58 I THINK THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND HAVE A
10:33:01 DISCUSSION ON IT HOWEVER BRIEF.
10:33:03 SO I WOULD STRONGLY AGREE.
10:33:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. SHELBY.
10:33:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.
10:33:12 IF IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY BRIEF STAFF REPORT, DID YOU WANT
10:33:15 THAT A SHORT COMMENT ON ITEM 16 DURING THE CONSENT DOCKET,
10:33:20 ASSUMING THAT THE STAFF CAN BE PRESENT?
10:33:23 I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE CHIEF DUGAN OR DO YOU
10:33:25 WANT TO SET IT FOR 1:30 WITH THE REST OF YOUR ITEMS?
10:33:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 1:30, MR. SHELBY.
10:33:33 >> YOU DON'T HAVE A NIGHT COUNCIL TONIGHT.
10:33:36 SO WE WILL HAVE CHIEF BERCAW HERE AT 1:30.
10:33:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
10:33:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:33:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE WAS A MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.
10:33:46 MR. VIERA SECONDED IT.
10:33:48 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:33:49 OPPOSED?
10:33:50 I'M SURE STAFF ARE LISTENING AND WE WILL CALL THE CHIEF'S
10:33:53 OFFICE.
10:33:54 ALL RIGHT, MR. VIERA, YOU ARE UP, SIR.
10:33:55 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:33:58 I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
10:33:59 YOU KNOW, BEFORE -- AND IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME FOR FIVE OR
10:34:03 SIX MINUTES, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
10:34:07 AND I HOPE I DON'T GET EMOTIONAL TALKING ABOUT THIS.
10:34:10 THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PERSONAL ISSUE.
10:34:13 WHEN I HEARD PEOPLE LIKE THE FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE, MY
10:34:16 GOOD FRIENDS SHARBEL AND HIS WIFE, WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE,
10:34:26 HE'S MORE OF A RONALD REAGAN GUY. I'M MORE OF AN FDR GUY,
10:34:28 BUT THAT'S OKAY.
10:34:29 I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS ISSUE IS
10:34:33 TO QUOTE ARETHA FRANKLIN, RESPECT, R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
10:34:41 WHEN PEOPLE LEFT CUBA, THE REGIME TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE
10:34:45 PRESS CONFERENCE THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY, I WANT EVERYBODY TO
10:34:48 LISTEN TO NANCY MILON WHO HAD FAMILY IN CUBA.
10:34:54 THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES OUR RESPECT.
10:34:58 IT WAS NOT A PUBLICITY STUNT.
10:35:02 RESPECT.
10:35:03 WE ARE TAUGHT TO RESPECT PEOPLE WHO COME FROM CULTURES AND
10:35:07 TO BE RESPECT REFUGEES.
10:35:08 AND IF WE HAVE AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE FOR THE PEOPLE HERE,
10:35:12 THEN GOD HELP US.
10:35:15 THIS IS A STATEMENT THAT IS ABOUT AS CONTROVERSIAL AS EATING
10:35:20 A HOTDOG AT YANKEE STADIUM.
10:35:22 IT'S A STATEMENT ABOUT SOLIDARITY WITH THE PROTESTING RIGHT
10:35:25 NOW IN CUBA.

10:35:27 THEY ARE PROTESTING FOR LIBERTY.
10:35:28 THEY ARE PROTESTING FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
10:35:30 THEY ARE PROTESTING FOR PRIVACY FOR EXPRESSION RIGHTS, FOR
10:35:34 ECONOMIC DIGNITY, AND FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES.
10:35:37 IT TELLS THE PEOPLE HERE IN TAMPA, GENERATIONS OF CUBAN
10:35:42 AMERICANS WHO ARE HERE THAT THIS CITY HAS THE BACKS OF THOSE
10:35:47 WHO ARE IN THE STREETS RISKING THEIR LIVES NOW IN CUBA.
10:35:53 IT PUTS TAMPA ON THE RECORD OF SAYING YES TO LIBERTY, AND TO
10:35:57 THOSE RISKING THEIR LIVES IN CUBA.
10:36:00 WHO ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THE VERY REGIME THAT MY PARENTS
10:36:05 LEFT IN 1960.
10:36:08 IT PUTS CITY COUNCIL ON THE RECORD OF OPPOSING THAT SYSTEM.
10:36:13 IT'S A STATEMENT THAT WILL UNITE ALL CUBAN AMERICANS IN
10:36:17 TAMPA.
10:36:17 I AM NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT -- YOU PUT TWO CUBAN
10:36:22 AMERICANS IN A ROOM YOU ARE GOING TO GET FIVE OPINIONS ON
10:36:25 POLITICS.
10:36:25 THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
10:36:26 LOOK AT ME AND MY GOOD FRIEND SHARBEL.
10:36:33 THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ENGAGEMENT.
10:36:35 WE HAVE HAD RESOLUTIONS IN THIS BODY ON ENGAGEMENT.
10:36:38 I HAVE SUPPORTED THEM.
10:36:39 I OPPOSE PRESENT U.S. POLICY AS REFERS TO ENGAGEMENT WITH
10:36:45 CUBA.
10:36:45 I HAVE SAID THAT MANY TIMES.

10:36:46 THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION ADDRESSES ISSUES THAT BRING CUBAN
10:36:49 AMERICANS IN THIS CITY TOGETHER.
10:36:52 THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT ON TRAVEL TO CUBA.
10:36:55 I HAVE TRAVELED TO CUBA.
10:36:56 MY MOM HAS BEEN TO CUBA A FEW TIMES TO VISIT WHERE SHE GREW
10:37:01 UP AND SHE LEFT WHEN SHE WAS ELEVEN YEARS OLD.
10:37:04 IN FACT IT TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT MANY CUBAN AMERICAN
10:37:07 FAMILIES IN TAMPA TRAVEL TO CUBA.
10:37:11 IT'S NOT A STATEMENT ON THE MEANS TO THE END.
10:37:13 IT'S A STATEMENT ON THE END OF LIBERTY.
10:37:17 IT'S NOT AN AFFIRMATION OF PRESENT U.S. POLICY.
10:37:20 AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT MEANT TO DIVIDE NOR SHOULD IT BE
10:37:23 SUBJECT TO ARBITRARY ATTEMPTS TO DISRESPECT PEOPLE AND TO
10:37:27 DIVIDE US.
10:37:28 I HAVE ALWAYS SAID YES TO ENGAGEMENT WITH REGARDS TO CUBA
10:37:31 SINCE I HAVE BEEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
10:37:33 AND SINCE I RAN FOR OFFICE.
10:37:35 THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT
10:37:37 THE PEOPLE OF CUBA, INCLUDING A CHANGE OF POLICY,
10:37:43 VACCINATIONS, AND THE ECONOMIC DEPRIVATION THAT THAT
10:37:46 CHALLENGE HAS CAUSED IN CUBA, THE INTERNET, PEOPLE RANGING
10:37:50 FROM GOVERNOR DESANTIS TO CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR HAVE
10:37:55 SPOKEN OUT ON THAT ISSUE.
10:37:56 SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN SPEAK OUT ON.
10:37:58 THIS RESOLUTION DEALS WITH A VERY NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE

10:38:03 THAT UNITES US.
10:38:04 IT'S ALSO A CALL FOR RESPONSIBILITY TO DEAL IN A RESPONSIBLE
10:38:07 WAY.
10:38:08 WE HAVE SEEN ELECTED OFFICIALS INCLUDING A CERTAIN PERSON IN
10:38:11 MIAMI IN AN IRRESPONSIBLE WAY, SOMETHING -- VERY MUCH SO,
10:38:19 VERY MUCH SO.
10:38:19 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BRINGS US TOGETHER.
10:38:22 MY FAMILY LEFT CUBA IN 1960.
10:38:24 MY FATHER CAME HERE.
10:38:26 MY WIFE'S FATHER, LIVED IN A BUILDING THAT'S STILL THERE
10:38:30 NEXT TO ACADEMY PREP OVER IN THE AREA OF YBOR CITY AREA,
10:38:35 SHOVELED FISH FOR A LIVING.
10:38:36 MY MOTHER CAME HERE AT THE AGE OF 11.
10:38:38 MY FAMILY LEFT EVERYTHING.
10:38:40 AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU LEFT IN 1960 OR FREEDOM FLIGHT IN
10:38:44 1965 OR IF IN 1980 OR IF YOU LEFT IN 1995 OR IF YOU CAME
10:38:48 HERE FIVE YEARS AGO, THIS RESOLUTION UNITES PEOPLE WHETHER
10:38:53 YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT.
10:38:56 IT'S ALL ABOUT PEOPLE'S JOURNEY TO CUBA, AND CUBA'S JOURNEY
10:39:02 TO FREEDOM.
10:39:02 WHEN I WENT TO CUBA, VERY EMOTIONAL, IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL.
10:39:07 I DIDN'T GO FOR BUSINESS.
10:39:09 I WENT FOR FAMILY.
10:39:12 AND WHEN I WENT, IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL.
10:39:15 EVERYBODY HAD THEIR JOURNEY BACK TO CUBA.

10:39:19 THERE ARE SOME WITH US HERE IN TAMPA WHO WILL NOT RETURN TO
10:39:22 CUBA UNTIL THEY DIE.
10:39:24 THEY WILL NOT.
10:39:26 MY MOTHER CHOSE TO RETURN TO CUBA BEFORE SHE DIED.
10:39:30 EVERYBODY HAS THEIR JOURNEY HOME.
10:39:32 EVERYBODY HAS THEIR JOURNEY BACK TO CUBA.
10:39:35 THIS RESOLUTION IS ABOUT AFFIRM PEOPLE'S BASIC DESIRES FOR
10:39:41 LIBERTY, AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE DYING FOR IN THE STREETS RIGHT
10:39:44 NOW REGARDLESS OF YOUR JOURNEY BACK HOME TO CUBA.
10:39:49 THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL.
10:39:52 IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER ISSUE, FINE.
10:39:55 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:39:57 MY RECORD ON THOSE OTHER ISSUES IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.
10:40:01 BUT DON'T ATTACK THIS RESOLUTION.
10:40:03 DON'T ATTACK THOSE WHO WENT OUT YESTERDAY TO THE PRESS
10:40:05 CONFERENCE.
10:40:06 LISTEN TO MY FRIEND NANCY MILON AND HER WORDS THAT SHE SAID,
10:40:12 THOSE BRING IT TO TEARS THEN CHECK YOURSELVES.
10:40:18 THIS IS A COMMON SENSE RESOLUTION.
10:40:20 THIS SHOULD NOT TAKE ANY MORE TIME THAN MY LONG WINDED
10:40:23 SPEECH.
10:40:24 I WILL END IT AT THAT.
10:40:25 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:40:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOPIC THAT -- I
10:40:35 DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER HEARD THE TERM THE ANGRY BLACK MAN.

10:40:42 HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT TERM?
10:40:44 THE ANGRY BLACK MAN.
10:40:46 IF YOU EVER HEARD THAT TERM?
10:40:48 THE ANGRY BLACK MAN.
10:40:51 IT'S NOT ANGER, IT'S PASSION.
10:40:54 SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING, MR. VIERA, COULD BE THE ANGRY CUBAN
10:40:58 MAN.
10:40:58 BUT I FEEL THE PASSION IN HIS HEART.
10:41:04 MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:41:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:41:08 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR YOUR WORDS, AND FOR BRINGING
10:41:11 THIS UP.
10:41:13 EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP, AND I AM PROUD AND GLAD TO BE AN
10:41:18 AMERICAN.
10:41:18 I AM GLAD AND PROUD AND HONORED TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
10:41:22 I WAS BORN HERE BUT I AM A FIRST GENERATION AMERICAN.
10:41:25 MY MOTHER IS A CUBAN REFUGEE ALONG WITH BE MY GRANDPARENTS
10:41:29 WHO CAME HERE AFTER 1961, AND TAMPA WELCOMED THEM FROM DAY
10:41:34 ONE.
10:41:34 MANY, MANY GOOD PEOPLE THAT HELPED THEM MAKE THIS PLACE
10:41:37 HOME.
10:41:39 MY GRANDMOTHER DIED LAST YEAR.
10:41:40 MY GRANDMOTHER NEVER WITNESSED A FREE CUBA.
10:41:44 HER SIBLINGS ARE DEAD.
10:41:46 MOST OF MY COUSINS ARE DEAD.

10:41:47 SOME ARE STILL AROUND IN MIAMI.
10:41:49 BUT FOR THE MOST PART THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT A FREE CUBA --
10:41:52 THEY HAVEN'T KNOWN AN FREE CUBA SINCE BEFORE 1959.
10:41:56 I LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND I LOVE SO MUCH OF WHAT IT STANDS
10:42:00 FOR.
10:42:00 IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CONSTITUTION AND IT'S ALWAYS A
10:42:02 CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, BUT WE HAVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
10:42:05 THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THERE TO PROTECT THE FIRST
10:42:09 AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS ESSENTIALLY PROTECTS OUR
10:42:11 FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
10:42:13 ONE OF CASTRO'S FIRST SPEECHES IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY 1959,
10:42:18 MAYBE HIS FIRST SPEECH, WAS.
10:42:22 (SPEAKING SPANISH)
10:42:22 WHICH MEANS ARMS FOR -- WHY DO WE NEED GUNS?
10:42:27 TYPICAL OF ANY DICTATORSHIP FROM HITLER TO NORTH KOREA TO
10:42:32 CUBA, YOU TAKE PEOPLE'S GUNS AWAY, YOU TAKE AWAY NOT JUST
10:42:36 THEIR VOICE BUT YOU TAKE AWAY THEIR WEAPONS THAT HELP
10:42:39 PROTECT THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST
10:42:42 THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
10:42:45 AND I CAN SEE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS NOW, IN CUBA, THEY DON'T
10:42:48 HAVE ANYWAY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
10:42:50 MAYBE THEY THROW STICKS.
10:42:51 MAYBE THEY FIGHT WITH ROCKS.
10:42:53 WHATEVER IT IS.
10:42:53 BUT THEY CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES.

10:42:55 THEY CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES IN THE WAY THAT CASTRO DID
10:42:59 AGAINST BATISTA, HITLER COMES TO MOWER, MUSSOLINI, OR
10:43:08 GADHAFI THERE.
10:43:09 WERE WEAPONS THERE BUT THE PEOPLE IN CUBA ARE WEAPONLESS
10:43:12 FROM THE POLICY OF 62 YEARS AGO, AND I HEAR THE CURRENT
10:43:18 INDIVIDUAL IN POWER IN CUBA BLAMING THE U.S. EMBARGO.
10:43:23 WHO PUTS BLAME ON FAILED LEADERS, NARCISSISTS, AND I HATE TO
10:43:32 SAY IT BUT LOSERS, INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY HAVE DONE THIS TO
10:43:35 THEMSELVES AND THE SCAPEGOAT HERE IS THE U.S. EMBARGO.
10:43:37 WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD?
10:43:39 WHAT ABOUT THE ITALIANS AND CANADIANS AND EVERYBODY ELSE
10:43:42 THAT GOES AND TRAVELS TO THIS COUNTRY?
10:43:44 WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY TRADE WITH, SO
10:43:47 MUCH THAT WE GET IS FROM CHINA.
10:43:48 THE FORMER ADMINISTRATION FROM THE PRESIDENT SAID CHINA IN,
10:43:52 CHINA THAT, CHINA OWNS SO MUCH OF OUR DEBT.
10:43:55 WE IMPORT SO MUCH FROM CHINA.
10:43:58 IT'S NOT TO BLAME THE UNITED STATES, IT'S THEY ARE DOING IT
10:44:01 TO THEMSELVES.
10:44:02 IT'S COMMUNISM FOR THE MASSES.
10:44:04 AND CAPITALISM FOR THOSE IN POWER.
10:44:07 FIDEL CASTRO LIVED WELL AND ALLEGEDLY PROVE TO ME THAT I
10:44:13 HAVE ONE DOLLAR TO MY NAME AND I WILL RESIGN TOMORROW,
10:44:16 WHATEVER HE WOULD SAY.
10:44:16 IT IS A FAILED POLICY.

10:44:19 YOU CAN LIFT THE EMBARGO TOMORROW AND NOTHING IS GOING TO
10:44:21 CHANGE BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING WITH COMMUNIST AND COMMUNISTS
10:44:24 DO NOT PLAY FAIR.
10:44:25 DICTATORS DO NOT PLAY FAIR.
10:44:27 SADLY IT'S ALWAYS BLOOD SHED THAT BRINGS THEM TO POWER.
10:44:30 PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO CUBA, HOW CAN YOU
10:44:33 BE A JUDGE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING DOWN THEREIN?
10:44:35 I DON'T NEED TO GO TO NORTH KOREA TO UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS
10:44:39 DON'T WORK.
10:44:40 AND THE PEOPLE OF CUBA ARE TIRED.
10:44:43 MY FAMILY GAVE UP, THEY CAME TO THE UNITED STATES, THEY SAID
10:44:47 THIS IS OUR HOME AND WE WILL NEVER GO BACK, AND THAT'S HOW
10:44:49 THEY DIED.
10:44:50 NOT KNOWING A FREE CUBA.
10:44:52 BUT IT'S A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.
10:44:56 PEOPLE WANT FREEDOM.
10:44:57 PEOPLE WANT ELECTIONS.
10:44:59 PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
10:45:00 PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED.
10:45:03 I HEARD MENTION, OH, BECAUSE THEY KNOW COVID PUSHED PEOPLE
10:45:06 TO THE EDGE.
10:45:07 AND THIS IS NOT A THING -- WE ARE IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT
10:45:11 AND PASSION, IT'S 62 YEARS OF BEING IN THIS MOMENT.
10:45:16 I WANT TO SECOND THIS, AND I AM GOING TO SECOND THIS, BUT
10:45:20 YOU ARE ASKING FOR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND THAT WE STAND BY

10:45:23 THEM.
10:45:23 HOW MANY CUBAN AMERICANS ARE HERE IN TAMPA?
10:45:26 HOW MANY CUBAN AMERICANS ARE IN MIAMI?
10:45:27 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE LEFT.
10:45:28 AND I HAVE YET TO MEET ONE CUBAN REFUGEE THAT SAYS, NO,
10:45:33 THINGS IN CUBA ARE GOOD, I JUST CAME TO THE UNITED STATES
10:45:36 FOR A BETTER JOB OPPORTUNITY.
10:45:38 MY FATHER LEFT TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES.
10:45:40 LEFT MY MOTHER, MARRIED HER AND FOUND A JOB HERE.
10:45:43 SO MY FATHER CAN GO BACK FREELY AND SEE HIS FAMILY IF HE
10:45:47 WANTS TO IN SICILY WHERE THEY LIVE WELL.
10:45:49 HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS.
10:45:50 BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN CUBA.
10:45:52 SO I AM GLAD THAT THIS IS BROUGHT UP.
10:45:54 AND 62 YEARS, MAYBE THERE IS SOME CHANGE.
10:45:58 TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIPS DO NOT WORK.
10:46:01 THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE MILITARY COUPS.
10:46:04 THIS REGIME IN CUBA HAS LASTED BECAUSE OF LUCK.
10:46:08 PEOPLE WERE TIRED OF BATISTA, AND CASTRO CAME TO POWER.
10:46:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 30 SECONDS.
10:46:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I WILL FINISH IT UP.
10:46:17 BUT PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF ONE THING.
10:46:21 THE SOVIET UNION HAS COLLAPSED.
10:46:23 NORTH KOREA EXISTS BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY CLOSED OFF FROM
10:46:26 THE REST OF THE WORLD.

10:46:27 CHINA EXISTS IN A COMMUNIST STATE EMBRACING CAPITALISM BUT
10:46:31 LOOK HOW MUCH WE TRADE WITH THEM.
10:46:34 HOW MUCH DEBT DO WE OWE THEM?
10:46:37 HOW MUCH DOES CUBA OWE TO CHINA?
10:46:40 AT THE END.
10:46:40 DAY COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK, DOESN'T LAST, AND IT'S AN ISLAND
10:46:46 SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT INVADING FORCES LIKE DO YOU
10:46:49 IN OTHER PLACES.
10:46:50 THEY HAVE THE SOVIET SUPPORT FOR A WHILE, THAT COLLAPSED
10:46:54 OVER 30 YEARS AGO, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE JUST WANT
10:46:58 FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.
10:46:59 AND THAT'S WHY THEY COME HERE WHEN THEY COME TO THE UNITED
10:47:01 STATES, THEY SEE HOW WONDERFUL THIS COUNTRY IS.
10:47:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS A HOT TOPIC.
10:47:11 MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:47:13 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT I WILL SAY SOME
10:47:16 THINGS, AND IF WE HAVE TIME I WILL COME BACK.
10:47:19 I GOT INVOLVED IN THE CUBA ISSUE DECADE AGO BECAUSE I HAD SO
10:47:23 MANY FRIENDS THAT ARE CUBAN AMERICANS IN TAMPA AND OTHER
10:47:26 PLACES AND LISTENED TO THE HORROR STORIES THAT BOTH MY
10:47:28 COLLEAGUES JUST TALKED ABOUT JUST NOW AND I HAVE THE UTMOST
10:47:32 RESPECT FOR THAT.
10:47:33 I ALSO WENT TO CUBA SO I COULD HEAR FIRST HAND THE STORIES
10:47:36 AND CONDITIONS THAT THE CUBAN PEOPLE FACE AND IT UPSET ME

10:47:39 AND HAS UPSET EVERYBODY THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT HAS GONE TO
10:47:43 CUBA.
10:47:43 AND WE ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING TO TRY TO CHANGE THE CONDITIONS
10:47:46 AND SITUATION THERE.
10:47:47 WHAT I OBJECT TO, AND THE REASON WHY I USED THE WORD
10:47:50 PUBLICITY, WHEN WE MAKE A STATEMENT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE
10:47:53 ANY IMPACT, IT'S ABOUT PUBLICITY.
10:47:56 THERE ARE REAL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF
10:47:58 CUBA AND I HAVE GOT A LIST OF THEM.
10:48:00 BUT A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN A HURRICANE HIT PUERTO RICO THE
10:48:03 TAMPA BAY RAYS TOOK I THINK ONE OR TWO PLANES FULL OF
10:48:06 SUPPLIES TO PUERTO RICO, AND BECAUSE OF THE EMBARGO, YOU CAN
10:48:12 READ IN THE MIAMI HERALD, THE CUBANS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
10:48:15 SYRINGES TO INOCULATE PEOPLE.
10:48:18 I CAN GO THROUGH A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THERE.
10:48:21 WHAT WAS WORKING WAS PUSHING CAPITALISM IN CUBA.
10:48:25 THE NUMBER, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, THE
10:48:28 NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES MORE THAN DOUBLED IN CUBA
10:48:31 AND THE CHANGES A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE ECONOMY FELL APART,
10:48:35 AND ABOUT 80% OF CUBANS WHO PUT THEIR LIVE SAVINGS IN
10:48:39 STARTING BUSINESSES LOST THEM BECAUSE OF AMERICAN RULES.
10:48:42 THE PROBLEMS IN CUBA ARE NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE UNITED
10:48:45 STATES, THEY ARE IN PART BECAUSE OF THE UNITED STATES, AND
10:48:47 WE IN TAMPA CAN DO THINGS TO DIRECTLY IMPACT THEM.
10:48:50 THERE ARE NONPROFITS HERE THAT DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE CUBAN

10:48:53 PEOPLE AND WE CAN SUPPORT THEM, AND WE CAN DO OTHER THINGS.
10:48:57 THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT THE MAYOR OF MIAMI
10:49:01 HAS CALLED FOR WAR.
10:49:03 HE CAN USE WHATEVER WORDS HE WANTS BUT HE'S CALLED FOR WAR.
10:49:05 THE CUBAN PEOPLE DON'T WANT WAR.
10:49:07 THEY WANT THEIR GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE BUT THEY DON'T WANT
10:49:10 WAR.
10:49:11 WAR, WE HAVE SEEN, WARS KILL TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN
10:49:18 THE COUNTRY THEY ARE ATTACKING PLUS IT KILLS AMERICAN
10:49:20 CITIZENS.
10:49:22 I HAD FRIENDS WHO WERE IN THE BAY OF PIGS, AND THEY SAW WHAT
10:49:28 HAPPENED THERE, AND THEY WERE BETRAYED BY THE U.S.
10:49:32 GOVERNMENT, OTHERS, BUT THEY FOUGHT HARD TO TRY TO HELP THE
10:49:36 CUBANS GET THEIR FREEDOM.
10:49:38 WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOWARD FREEDOM FOR THE CUBAN PEOPLE.
10:49:41 WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE CUBAN PEOPLE.
10:49:42 WHAT I OBJECT TO WITH THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT THAT IT
10:49:46 QUOTE-UNQUOTE SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE.
10:49:48 WHAT IT DOES IS IT HAS LANGUAGE AND RHETORIC IN IT THAT CAN
10:49:51 BE USED BY SOMEBODY LIKE THE MAYOR OF MIAMI AND OTHERS TO
10:49:55 JUSTIFY WAR.
10:49:56 AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF LOTS OF CHANGES IN
10:49:59 CUBA BUT I AM 100% AGAINST WAR.
10:50:01 I AM AGAINST A MILITARY INVASION.
10:50:05 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, MR. CHAIR, NOW OR LATER, WE DON'T

10:50:09 NEED ALL THE RHETORIC IN THIS RESOLUTION.
10:50:11 WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING SIMPLE.
10:50:13 I'M A COMMUNICATION PERSON.
10:50:14 IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO SUPPORT THE CUBAN
10:50:18 PEOPLE, LET'S SAY SIMPLY INSTEAD OF HAVING 3 OR 4 PAGES,
10:50:21 WHATEVER IT IS, LET'S SAY SIMPLY THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
10:50:24 FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE AND N THEIR EFFORTS TO GAIN
10:50:27 POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM AND I WILL MAKE THAT AS AN
10:50:29 AMENDED MOTION OR SUBSTITUTE MOTION, AND I WILL FULLY
10:50:32 SUPPORT THAT.
10:50:32 I FULLY SUPPORT THE CUBAN PEOPLE AND TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES
10:50:35 TO THE GOVERNMENT.
10:50:36 I DON'T SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION AS IT'S WRITTEN.
10:50:38 THANK YOU.
10:50:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, WHEN WE COME TO THAT TIME FOR
10:50:44 A MOTION ON THE FLOOR IF YOU WISH TO PUT THAT ON THE FLOOR
10:50:46 AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MR. VIERA'S RESOLUTION YOU HAVE
10:50:50 THE RIGHT AT THAT TIME, SIR.
10:50:51 MR. CITRO.
10:50:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
10:50:56 IN ALL MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER, 40 YEARS, I HAVE WORKED IN
10:51:02 WEST TAMPA.
10:51:05 AND DURING THAT TIME I HAVE MET SO MANY CUBAN AMERICANS,
10:51:14 SOME WERE BORN THERE, THE MAJORITY WERE BORN HERE.
10:51:18 REFUGEES THAT CAME IN MANY DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS, FROM THE

10:51:24 60s, 70s, 80s.
10:51:30 AND I HAVE HEARD VARIOUS -- POLITICALLY FROM MY CUBAN
10:51:40 FRIENDS AND THE PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH.
10:51:43 WE HAVE GONE THROUGH 13 DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS IN THIS
10:51:47 COUNTRY, MORE DEMOCRAT THAN REPUBLICAN.
10:51:57 AND THROUGH ALL THAT TIME, MY CUBAN FRIENDS, CUBAN DESCENT,
10:52:04 AMERICAN CUBAN, ALL THEY WANTED WAS ONE THING, A POLITICAL
10:52:10 CHANGE IN CUBA.
10:52:18 THIS COUNTRY HAS HELPED CUBA MANY, MANY TIMES.
10:52:25 AND I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT THE CUBAN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE OF
10:52:33 CUBAN DESCENT.
10:52:34 AND I WILL SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION.
10:52:37 BUT HEARING THE HORROR STORIES OF PEOPLE GOING TO VISIT CUBA
10:52:46 WITH FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX SUITCASES FULL OF THINGS FOR THEIR
10:52:53 FAMILY, AND ONLY ONE SUITCASE MAKING IT THROUGH.
10:53:00 MEDICAL SUPPLIES BEING SENT DOWN THERE AND ONLY A SMALL
10:53:05 FRACTION, AND YOU BETTER NOT TAKE ANY PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OR
10:53:11 CASH.
10:53:17 NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN CUBA HAVE SPOKEN UP
10:53:25 AND ARE SHOUTING WE WANT CHANGE NOW.
10:53:29 AND I WILL STAND BEHIND THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN CUBA, AND I WILL
10:53:33 STAND BEHIND THE CUBAN PEOPLE HERE IN TAMPA AND AMERICA.
10:53:36 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:53:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:53:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I PASS.

10:53:49 >> I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT TO SAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW MORE THAN
10:53:49 WE KNOW IN THIS ROOM.
10:53:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WAS THINKING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY,
10:53:57 MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:53:58 I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
10:54:00 IN ALL MY YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, AND I HAVE ENJOYED EVERY
10:54:03 ONE OF THEM, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A RESOLUTION BEING DISCUSSED
10:54:06 THIS LENGTH IN MY 20-SOME YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
10:54:14 CALLING UP THE NATIONAL GUARD, AND THIS IS A RESOLUTION,
10:54:19 PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
10:54:21 WHAT IS A RESOLUTION?
10:54:22 CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IT IS?
10:54:24 ASPIRATION TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
10:54:27 EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION.
10:54:29 THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
10:54:30 BUT IT MEANS WHATEVER THE SUBJECT MATTER MAY BE OR MAY NOT
10:54:33 BE, INTERPRETING, IS IT'S AN EXPRESSION OF FACT TO SAY THAT
10:54:40 THIS COUNCIL IS SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN ON
10:54:45 TELEVISION AND IF IT WAS HAPPENING IN THE STREETS OF TAMPA,
10:54:53 HOPE.
10:54:53 IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY HOPE, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A LIFE.
10:55:01 THERE IS NO HOPE TOMORROW BECAUSE YOU HAVE GIVEN UP.
10:55:06 AND I THINK WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS, IS MAINLY TO GIVE HOPE
10:55:12 TO THE A LONG TIME THAT FELT THAT THEY HAD NO HOPE.
10:55:19 AND YES, I HAVE BEEN TO CUBA 35 TIMES SINCE 1954.

10:55:28 AND I HAVE BEEN BACK IN 2004.
10:55:34 I GOT OFF THE PLANE AND LOOKED AROUND, AND THE ONLY THING
10:55:39 WITH ME IS MY MIND.
10:55:40 WHEN I GOT OFF THE PLANE, NOT A DAMN THING HAD CHANGED.
10:55:53 ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, THAT'S NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD OR BAD.
10:55:58 YOU SEE THE SAME CABS THAT HAD 3, 4, 5, 6, 800, 900,000
10:56:01 MILES, A MILLION MILES ON THE SAME ONE, FROM THE 50s, FROM
10:56:07 THE 60s. BUT YOU SEE ONE THING THAT'S REALLY BEEN KIND OF
10:56:13 LOST IN THIS COUNTRY. A NECESSITY BRINGS IN PEOPLE WITH
10:56:13 INNOVATIVE IDEAS. CHANGES. A NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER
10:56:26 OF ALL INVENTIONS.
10:56:29 BECAUSE WHAT THE CUBAN PEOPLE HAVE DONE, THEY HAVE LEARNED
10:56:32 TO MAKE DO WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.
10:56:35 SOMETHING MOST OF US IN THIS COUNTRY CAN'T DO WITH.
10:56:39 ONCE I WAS RIDING IN A CAB, AND I KEPT TELLING THE GUY YOU
10:56:45 BETTER PULL OVER, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
10:56:47 THE RADIATOR IS OVERFLOWING.
10:56:51 WHEN HE OPENED THE HOOD AND I WENT TO LOOK AT IT, HE HAD
10:56:54 MADE A WATER PUMP OUT OF A WASHING MACHINE PUMP.
10:57:04 AND THE HOSE HAD BROKEN.
10:57:06 HE SAID HOW DID YOU THINK OF IT?
10:57:08 HE SAID IT'S NOT HOW I THINK ABOUT IT.
10:57:09 THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I HAD TO LEARN TO MAKE SOMETHING TO GET
10:57:13 MYSELF FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND MAKE A LIVING.
10:57:16 WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE IN THIS COUNTRY.

10:57:25 WHEN YOU LOOK AT MEDICINE, AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER
10:57:27 TODAY, FOR BEING SUCH A SMALL COUNTRY, I HAVE BEEN WATCHING,
10:57:32 ABOUT A MONTH AGO I GAVE MYSELF A TRIAL.
10:57:35 I GOT RID OF EVERYTHING I HAD ON THE TELEVISION.
10:57:37 NO INTERNET.
10:57:39 NO NATIONAL NEWS.
10:57:41 NO NOTHING.
10:57:41 AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:57:44 I FEEL I GAINED MY FREEDOM BACK.
10:57:49 I WAS WATCHING WEDU THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, AND IF MY
10:57:53 MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, GUESS WHAT, IT WAS ABOUT CUBA.
10:57:58 AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW A SMALL COUNTRY CAN HAVE SO
10:58:02 MUCH PRODUCTION AND DIFFERENT AREAS OF MEDICINE.
10:58:08 IN FACT THEY EVEN COMPARED THEIR CANCER RESEARCH BEING AHEAD
10:58:13 OF OURS.
10:58:14 WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT I DON'T KNOW.
10:58:18 AND THE PEOPLE IN CUBA WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT OTHER
10:58:23 PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAVE.
10:58:26 AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT HAPPY.
10:58:32 MY FATHER TOLD ME ONCE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, HE SAID, YOU
10:58:38 KNOW, CHARLIE, I THOUGHT AMERICA WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT
10:58:44 THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE HERE, IT'S MUCH WORSE
10:58:49 THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN CUBA.
10:58:50 HE SAID ANY CUBAN KID GOING TO SCHOOL CAN DO MUCH BETTER
10:58:56 THAN ANY AMERICAN DID FROM THE SIXTH GRADE.

10:59:02 SEE, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, LIKE IN MEDICINE.
10:59:04 I AM NOT HERE TO TAKE AN HOUR AND A HALF OF DEBATE.
10:59:06 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:59:08 BUT IN CUBA WHEN YOU WANT TO BE A DOCTOR, YOU DON'T -- YOU
10:59:16 TAKE WHAT YOU WANT WHEN YOU ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL.
10:59:19 AND YOU SEE AND YOU SEE THE MEDICINE, YOU PARTICIPATE WITH
10:59:23 DOCTORS, AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO BE.
10:59:26 HERE, YOU DON'T DO THAT TILL YOU GET TO COLLEGE.
10:59:31 AND THEY HAVE AN ADVANCED EDUCATION THAT IS SECOND TO NONE.
10:59:38 BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE EDUCATED KIDS.
10:59:41 BUT THE PROBLEM IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, NO MATTER WHAT
10:59:45 EDUCATION YOU HAVE, YOUR PAY IS THE SAME AS SOMEONE WHO
10:59:50 NEVER DID ANYTHING, OR WANTED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.
10:59:52 BUT I AM NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT PHILOSOPHY OR ANYTHING ELSE.
10:59:55 THE RESOLUTION HERE, IF I DO LIKE THIS, THE CUBAN REGIME,
11:00:03 PEACEFUL MEANS TO IMPROVE THEIR LIVES.
11:00:06 IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
11:00:09 PICK ONE.
11:00:10 ANY ONE YOU WANT FROM WHAT I READ HERE.
11:00:13 THEY ARE ALL FACTUAL.
11:00:24 WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET IF WE SIT DOWN HERE FOR A DAY OR
11:00:27 TWO DAYS AND HAVE A COMPLETE MEETING OF CUBA.
11:00:32 CAN WE CHANGE ANYTHING?
11:00:34 TELL ME.
11:00:35 CAN YOU SEND THINGS TO CUBA?

11:00:38 CAN YOU SEND MONEY TO CUBA?
11:00:40 NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION BUT THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, THE
11:00:42 ONE BEFORE THAT ONE.
11:00:43 IT'S CHANGED TWICE ALREADY.
11:00:47 THERE HAS BEEN A VISIT FROM THE FIRST TIME OF A SITTING
11:00:50 PRESIDENT ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO.
11:00:53 DID IT MAKE ANY CHANGE?
11:00:55 FOR A DAY OR TWO IT DID.
11:01:00 IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ALL CLEAN.
11:01:03 HE DIDN'T LIVE WHERE I LIVE.
11:01:06 OR I VISITED.
11:01:07 SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT CAN WE CHANGE -- CAN THIS CITY
11:01:12 OF TAMPA CHANGE WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE?
11:01:15 ABSOLUTELY NOT.
11:01:16 SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DEBATE?
11:01:18 IT'S UP TO THE CUBAN PEOPLE TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP.
11:01:22 AND THEY HAVE.
11:01:24 IT'S UNPRECEDENTED THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE -- AND THERE IS
11:01:29 WHERE IT'S AT, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE NEWS, IT'S THE
11:01:32 YOUNG PEOPLE ALONG WITH SOME OF THE ELDER PEOPLE THAT
11:01:34 MARCHING.
11:01:35 AND WHEN A COUNTRY REALIZES THAT THE FUTURE IS YOUTH AND
11:01:39 THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MARCHING, CHANGE WILL COME IN
11:01:42 SOME FORM OR ANOTHER.
11:01:44 AND YOU HAVE TO ADMIRE THOSE THAT ARE WALKING, PROTESTING,

11:01:49 BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ARE AT RISK.
11:01:52 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU, BUT I AM NOT GOING
11:01:56 TO PARTICIPATE IN A CUBAN IDEOLOGICAL FEELING ABOUT THE PROS
11:02:00 AND CONS.
11:02:03 THEY AREN'T GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE.
11:02:05 IT'S UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
11:02:06 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS KNOWN THIS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
11:02:12 AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS OR LIBERALS
11:02:16 OR CONSERVATIVES, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVES UNDER THAT
11:02:21 THEY CAN EXPRESS FREELY, AND THEY WANT CHANGE.
11:02:26 I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TO MARCH FOR FREEDOM.
11:02:29 WE WERE BORN IN IT.
11:02:33 SO IT'S UP TO THIS RESOLUTION, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A FEELING
11:02:38 OF WE HELP IF WE CAN, TELL US WHAT YOU NEED, THEY ARE
11:02:44 MARCHING, THEY ARE DOING THINGS PEACEFUL.
11:02:46 THERE WAS ONE OR TWO INCIDENTS THAT CAME OUT THE WRONG WAY.
11:02:49 AND AN ARREST OR TWO OR THREE MAYBE.
11:02:54 AND I APPRECIATE THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO WERE WORKING
11:02:59 YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE.
11:03:02 SO IT'S UP TO US TO SAY YAY OR NAY ON THIS RESOLUTION.
11:03:06 BUT I WILL NOT BE DEBATING ON WHAT TO DO WITH CUBA BECAUSE I
11:03:11 DON'T HAVE A DAMN POWER TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE
11:03:14 NOW.
11:03:14 THIS IS NOT -- WE ARE NOT IN THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE.
11:03:18 WE HAVE NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING.

11:03:20 AND IF SOME MAYOR HAS A PROCLAMATION THAT MAYOR IS SICK.
11:03:28 SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE FACE, AND I SEE NOTHING WRONG
11:03:34 WITH THE RESOLUTION.
11:03:35 IN FACT ALL THE WHEREASES THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN MY LIFE
11:03:39 AND I AM WILLING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S A NEED TO SHOW
11:03:42 THAT WE HAVE THE RESPECT FOR THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO CHANGE
11:03:45 SOMETHING IN THEIR HOME LAND.
11:03:48 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:03:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, IT'S CALLED HISTORY.
11:03:58 YOU KNOW, I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO CUBA.
11:04:03 I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA, EITHER.
11:04:04 I WOULD LOVE TO GO.
11:04:06 BUT WHEN I TURN ON THE TV AND I SEE THE SAME UNREST IN
11:04:10 AFRICA, THE SAME AS CUBA.
11:04:14 I SEE IT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
11:04:21 THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE ALWAYS HEARD ME TALK AND SAY ECONOMIC
11:04:24 EMPOWERMENT.
11:04:26 THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AFRICA.
11:04:28 THOSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CUBA.
11:04:31 THE PEOPLE ARE EMPOWERING THEMSELVES NOW.
11:04:36 JUST LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN MY EAST TAMPA
11:04:39 AREA, EMPOWERING THEMSELVES, AND THOSE WHO NEVER SPOKE OUT
11:04:43 BEFORE, THOSE OWNERS WHO LIVE THERE, MR. DANIELS AND MS.
11:04:49 BURTON HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR MANY YEARS.
11:04:53 THEY CALL MY OFFICE, I NEVER NOT TAKE THEIR CALLS.

11:04:57 BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THINGS NOT BEING DONE.
11:05:02 SOME THINGS I TRY TO CHANGE.
11:05:03 SOME THINGS JUST CAN'T CHANGE.
11:05:05 I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE.
11:05:17 YOU SIX GAVE ME AN OPTION.
11:05:18 I PUT ON THE TABLE A RESOLUTION FOR FORGIVENESS FOR AFRICAN
11:05:24 AMERICANS AND IT WAS A 7-0 VOTE ON THAT RESOLUTION.
11:05:27 WE KNOW SOME OF THE BAD THINGS DONE TO BLACK PEOPLE.
11:05:32 THOSE THINGS STILL GOING ON NOW.
11:05:36 WE TRY TO FIX WHAT WE CAN.
11:05:41 BUT RIGHT NOW, I HOPE OF THAT SOMEONE WHO IS CUBAN,
11:05:51 UNDERSTAND WHAT IT FEELS LIKE BECAUSE YOUR PARENTS LIVED AND
11:05:55 YOU FEEL LIKE THEY ARE YOUR FOLKS HOW THEY FEEL.
11:05:59 HOW I FEEL AS A BLACK MAN, WHEN MY FOLKS TALK ABOUT A
11:06:04 COLORED WATER FOUNTAIN AND WHITEWATER FOUNTAIN, HOW THEY
11:06:08 FEEL WHEN THIS PERSON -- THAT PERSON WAS QUALIFIED.
11:06:15 YOU LOOK AT CUBA.
11:06:17 I LOOK AT CUBA, I SEE SOME CUBANS THAT ARE AS BLACK AS ME.
11:06:23 AS BLACK AS ME.
11:06:33 SAME RACIAL IMBALANCE.
11:06:34 SAME RACIAL IMBALANCE.
11:06:38 THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS.
11:06:43 HOW WOO DO WE CHANGE ALL THAT?
11:06:46 THIS BODY CAN'T CHANGE CUBA.
11:06:47 WE KNOW WE CAN'T.

11:06:50 I SEE WHAT MR. CARLSON IS SAYING: I SEE HIS POINT.
11:06:54 BUT I ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REALITY OF THE HUMAN NATURE
11:06:59 OF THE REVOLUTION.
11:07:01 IT'S NOT ABOUT WAR.
11:07:03 I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINION.
11:07:06 IT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE FIGHTING ABOUT THE ISSUE.
11:07:09 WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE NO MATTER WHAT.
11:07:12 I THINK THE RESOLUTION IS A RESOLUTION THAT SPEAKS TO THE
11:07:15 GENERAL HEART OF HUMANITY.
11:07:22 AGAIN WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE CUBA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE
11:07:25 THE POWER TO CHANGE CUBA.
11:07:26 WE DO HAVE THE POWER IN TAMPA SAYING WE SUPPORT THOSE FOLKS
11:07:31 WHO WANT CERTAIN LIBERTIES, WHO WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A
11:07:34 BETTER LIFE.
11:07:40 SOME OF THE THINGS YOU FIGHT FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS.
11:07:44 I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH A FEW OF MY CONSTITUENTS, MS.
11:07:48 BURTON AND MR. DANIELS BUT I RESPECT THEM, NO MATTER WHAT
11:07:53 THEY SAY, THEY CALL ME, I AM GOING TO DO THE BEST I CAN FOR
11:07:56 WHAT I CAN DO.
11:07:56 THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW.
11:07:58 AND IF WE JUST SEND THIS OFF AND SAY, HEY, WE SUPPORT
11:08:03 HUMANITY, WE SUPPORT LIBERTY, WE SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE
11:08:06 TRYING TO DO FOR DEMOCRACY, I'M ONBOARD WITH THAT.
11:08:11 I RESPECT WHAT MR. CARLSON IS SAYING.
11:08:13 I THINK, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO MOVE THIS ALONG.

11:08:18 I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER ROUND.
11:08:20 WE SEE THE PASSION.
11:08:21 WE SEE THE FIRE.
11:08:22 WE SEE THE HUNGER.
11:08:25 I SEE CULTURE.
11:08:28 HISTORY CULTURE.
11:08:29 SO AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD.
11:08:35 THERE'S A MOTION PUT ON THE FLOOR.
11:08:37 MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
11:08:38 LET'S MOVE ON.
11:08:39 WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA.
11:08:39 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD A
11:08:44 MOTION TO OVERRIDE MY MOTION IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SECOND THAT
11:08:47 ONE.
11:08:47 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT OR A
11:08:53 SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT IS IN THE SAME SPIRIT BUT TAKES OUT
11:08:56 SOME OF THE COMPLICATED LANGUAGE.
11:09:00 SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE
11:09:03 AND PLACE THE TWO PAGES HERE A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT CAN BE
11:09:09 USED, BANNERS AND FLAGS AND POSTERS AND EVERYTHING IN TAMPA,
11:09:14 MIAMI, CUBA, WHEREVER ELSE AND THE SIMPLE STATEMENT WOULD
11:09:19 SAY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN
11:09:22 THEIR EFFORTS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
11:09:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU SAY THAT'S ALL YOU WANT THE RESOLUTION
11:09:29 TO SAY, SIR?

11:09:31 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:09:32 AND IN MY OTHER BUSINESS, COMMUNICATING, THE SIMPLER IT IS,
11:09:36 THE BETTER IT IS.
11:09:37 WHAT IS IT FROM THIS TWO PAGES THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO
11:09:39 BRING OUT THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE?
11:09:41 A SIMPLE STATEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY
11:09:44 TALK ABOUT AND SOMETHING THAT'S USEFUL FOR POLITICAL
11:09:47 PURPOSES, AND IT TAKES OUT SOME OF THE COMPLICATED LANGUAGE
11:09:50 THAT SOMEBODY LIKE THE MAYOR OF MIAMI COULD USE TO START A
11:09:53 WAR.
11:09:54 BUT IT IS IN THE SPIRIT OF IT BECAUSE IT SAYS TAMPA CITY
11:09:59 COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN THEIR EFFORTS TO
11:10:02 GET POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
11:10:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:10:11 IF I CAN SPEAK.
11:10:12 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING TWO MOTIONS.
11:10:14 THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE.
11:10:16 I AM NOT OPPOSED TO MAKING TWO MOTIONS.
11:10:18 I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT'S IN ANY WAY DEROGATORY OR
11:10:22 ANYTHING.
11:10:22 IF I DID, I WOULD SAY IT.
11:10:25 THERE'S A LOT OF WHEREASES AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT
11:10:27 HAPPENED.
11:10:28 AND I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
11:10:31 THIS IS AS NEW TO ME AS IT IS TO ANYONE ELSE AND I AM NOT

11:10:34 AGAINST MR. CARLSON'S MOTION.
11:10:36 SO WHY DON'T WE PASS THEM BOTH?
11:10:40 SO EVERYONE IS SATISFIED HERE.
11:10:40 >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU WANT WE CAN FIRST VOTE ON MINE AND
11:10:45 THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S.
11:10:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, THIS MOTION IS ALL YOURS.
11:10:50 >>LUIS VIERA: I MEAN, IF I MAY PROCEDURALLY, I THINK THAT
11:10:54 YOU HAVE GOT -- MAYBE IF I MAY SUGGEST WE MOVE ON MINE AND
11:11:00 THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON CAN MAKE HIS STATEMENT.
11:11:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR IN REFERENCE TO
11:11:10 ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER BY MR. MIRANDA, MORE MOTION WOULD
11:11:16 OVERRIDE MR. VIERA'S MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
11:11:19 MR. SHELBY.
11:11:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE WHAT I
11:11:22 HEARD -- AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS -- WAS THIS
11:11:27 RESOLUTION WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY COUNCILMEMBER VIERA SECONDED
11:11:32 BY -- AND I HEARD MR. MANISCALCO DURING THE POINT OF HIS
11:11:36 COMMENT SAYING THAT HE SECONDED IT.
11:11:38 DOES THE CLERK HAVE THAT AS A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE
11:11:42 FLOOR?
11:11:43 >> YES.
11:11:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT IS THE CASE, SIR, THAT IS THE MAIN
11:11:46 MOTION.
11:11:47 AND THAT TAKES PRECEDENCE, UNLESS A SUBSIDIARY MOTION IS
11:11:51 MADE TO AMEND OR IN THIS CASE ACTUALLY SUBSTITUTE.

11:11:55 SO IF THERE IS A SECOND TO THAT, WAS THERE A SECOND TO THE
11:11:58 MOTION TO AMEND AND/OR SUBSTITUTE DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT IS
11:12:04 GOING TO BE?
11:12:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED MR.
11:12:08 CARLSON'S SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
11:12:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WOULDN'T A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT HAVE TO BE
11:12:14 ACCEPTED BY THE MAKER OF THE MOTION?
11:12:17 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT KILLS MY MOTION.
11:12:18 IF YOU GUYS SUPPORT THIS, THIS KILLS MY MOTION.
11:12:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HERE IS THE QUESTION, COUNCIL.
11:12:28 WITH REGARD TO A MOTION TO AMEND OR SUBSTITUTE MOTION,
11:12:34 THERE'S A SECTION IN ROBERTS RULES CALLED IMPROPER
11:12:36 AMENDMENTS.
11:12:37 THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF AMENDMENTS ARE OUT OF ORDER.
11:12:41 AND NUMBER TWO SAYS, ONE THAT MERELY MAKES THE ADOPTION OF
11:12:44 THE AMENDED QUESTION EQUIVALENT TO REJECTION OF THE ORIGINAL
11:12:49 MOTION.
11:12:51 SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE THEN ULTIMATELY IS WITH REGARD TO A
11:12:58 MOTION TO AMEND, CERTAINLY IT'S VERY RARE FOR THIS CITY
11:13:01 COUNCIL TO AMEND RESOLUTIONS IN FRONT OF IT BUT LET ME JUST
11:13:05 SAY THIS.
11:13:07 DEPENDING ON WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS, IT DOES ACT AS IN FACT A
11:13:11 SUBSTITUTE, BUT THE QUESTION ULTIMATELY IS, DOES THIS HAVE
11:13:16 THE EFFECT THEN, AS MR. VIERA STATES, OF BEING AN IMPROPER
11:13:22 AMENDMENT IN THAT IT MAKES THE ADOPTION OF THE AMENDED

11:13:24 QUESTION EQUIVALENT TO A REJECTION OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION?
11:13:27 AND THAT IS A QUESTION THAT IS -- THE QUESTION OF THE RULES
11:13:32 AND ULTIMATELY A DECISION OF THE CHAIR TO DETERMINE WHETHER
11:13:37 IT WANTS TO ENTERTAIN THE AMENDMENT WHICH IS A SUBSIDIARY
11:13:41 MOTION AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD VOTE ON THAT.
11:13:43 IF IT SUCCEEDS, THEN IT TAKES THE EFFECT OF SUPERSEDING MR.
11:13:47 VIERA'S MOTION IN ITS ENTIRETY.
11:13:50 IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT FAILS, AND YOU GO BACK TO THE MOTION,
11:13:54 THE MAIN MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, AND THAT'S MR. VIERA'S
11:13:57 MOTION, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
11:14:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION READY
11:14:03 TO GO?
11:14:05 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE -- MY MOTION IS TO SUBSTITUTE OR
11:14:09 AMEND THE MOTION TO SIMPLY HAVE THAT SENTENCE, BUT HERE
11:14:12 BASED ON WHAT COUNCILMAN MEMBER MIRANDA SAID, HOW ABOUT
11:14:16 THIS, AND COUNCILMAN VIERA WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH THIS.
11:14:21 I WOULD BE WILLING TO -- WE CAN FIGHT OUT ROBERTS RULES BUT
11:14:26 I WOULD BE WILLING TO, WITHDRAW THAT MOTION IF WE COULD VOTE
11:14:31 ON BOTH OF THEM WITH MY VERSION GOING FIRST.
11:14:34 IT'S POSSIBLE THAT BOTH WILL PASS.
11:14:35 IT'S LIKELY THAT BOTH WILL PASS.
11:14:37 BUT BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE ON
11:14:40 THE SECOND ONE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRST ONE --
11:14:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL GO TO MR. DINGFELDER THEN BACK TO
11:14:48 YOU, SIR.

11:14:48 MR. DINGFELDER.
11:14:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, BASED ON WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID, I
11:14:53 DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS TIME.
11:14:55 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MR. VIERA'S RESPONSE TO BE THAT.
11:14:59 >>LUIS VIERA: I MEAN, IF HE WANTS TO -- I COULD GO ON AND
11:15:02 ON, BUT SAY THAT MY RESOLUTION WILL SOMEHOW POWER WAR WITH
11:15:07 CUBA, THAT'S JUST OUT OF LEFT FIELD.
11:15:13 I CONDEMN WHAT MAYOR SUAREZ SAID IN MIAMI.
11:15:15 WE TALKED YESTERDAY AT OUR "PUBLICITY STUNT" PRESS
11:15:19 CONFERENCE ABOUT A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER IN CUBA.
11:15:23 THERE HAS BEEN NO STATEMENTS SUPPORTING THAT WHATSOEVER.
11:15:25 I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IN ANY WAY THAT COULD GO.
11:15:28 IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTS TO MAKE THAT, I WILL SUPPORT IT
11:15:32 AS A SEPARATE MOTION SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T SUPERSEDE OR
11:15:38 REPLACE MY MOTION.
11:15:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:15:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S UP TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION ON
11:15:42 THE SECOND PART, IF THAT IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF THAT
11:15:42 INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO MAKE, AND I AM NOT A LAWYER AND NOT AN
11:15:49 EXPERT IN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, BUT IF HE WANTS TO VOTE
11:15:52 ON HIS FIRST, THEN IT'S GOT TO BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
11:15:55 IF HE WANTS TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION, THEN HE'S SECOND IN
11:15:59 LINE TO MR. VIERA'S MOTION BECAUSE HE'S NOT SUBSTITUTING,
11:16:02 HE'S BRINGING IN AN NEW MOTION.
11:16:03 SO I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.

11:16:06 I AM JUST A GUY ON THE STREET WHO HAPPENS TO BE HERE AND
11:16:07 THANK GOD I LANDED HERE. I REALLY ENJOY IT.
11:16:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A FRIENDLY MOTION BY MR. CARLSON
11:16:14 AND DINGFELDER.
11:16:15 MY QUESTION AGAIN, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE ORIGINAL MAKER
11:16:18 OF THE MOTION IS MR. VIERA.
11:16:19 CORRECT, SIR?
11:16:21 >> YES.
11:16:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I ALSO HAVE TO ADD THAT WE USE THE TERM
11:16:26 FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, WHICH IN THIS CASE BASED ON WHAT I HAVE
11:16:30 BEEN HEARING, I DON'T THINK IT'S ACCEPTED AS A FRIENDLY
11:16:32 AMENDMENT.
11:16:33 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, HOW ABOUT WE VOTE ON MY MOTION,
11:16:36 THEN WE VOTE ON COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION AND WE JUST MOVE
11:16:39 ON FROM THIS SO WE CAN GET ONTO OUR AGENDA?
11:16:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, I AM GOING TO LET YOU FINISH
11:16:49 UP AND MAKE A DECISION OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
11:16:50 >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY MOTION I HAD A MINUTES AGO AND I
11:16:54 AGREED THAT MR. MIRANDA IS RIGHT, WHAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO
11:16:57 DO, IF WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE, AND THEN ON THE
11:17:01 OTHER MOTION, I WOULD BE WILLING TO WITHDRAW THE SUBSTITUTE
11:17:03 IF WE CAN VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE AS A SEPARATE MOTION BEFORE
11:17:06 WE VOTE ON THE OTHER, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- AND
11:17:10 THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE MAKER OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO
11:17:12 AGREE TO IT.

11:17:13 IF HE AGREES TO IT THEN WE WILL VOTE ON BOTH.
11:17:16 WE'LL VOTE ON MINE FIRST.
11:17:19 >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD LIKE MINE TO GO FIRST, IF I MAY.
11:17:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE ARE BACK IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
11:17:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL DO THIS.
11:17:26 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE?
11:17:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO HAVE A PREFERENCE.
11:17:31 >>LUIS VIERA: TELL ME WHAT IT IS.
11:17:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY PREFERENCE IS SIMPLE.
11:17:35 WE WANT TO HAVE UNIFIED COUNCIL HERE.
11:17:39 FIRST, I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH MR. VIERA'S MOTION.
11:17:42 I RESPECT WHAT MR. CARLSON IS TRYING TO DO IN REFERENCE TO
11:17:45 WHAT HE BELIEVES OR WHAT HE THINKS IT MIGHT SEND A DIFFERENT
11:17:48 TYPE OF MESSAGE.
11:17:49 SO IF THERE IS TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT WANT TO BE PRESENTED,
11:17:54 THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF HE HAS ONE TO PRESENT, OR HE CAN HAVE
11:17:58 LEGAL MAKE ONE AND PRESENT THAT MOTION.
11:18:00 BUT I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE AT HAND.
11:18:03 I THINK IT SHOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS, IN MY OPINION.
11:18:10 MR. SHELBY, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD.
11:18:12 I TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. IF MR. CARLSON WANTS TO MAKE A
11:18:17 MOTION, HE CAN MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO HIS RESOLUTION
11:18:20 MR. VIERA WAS FIRST.
11:18:21 WE VOTE ON HIS RESOLUTION.
11:18:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, GOT BEYOND A POINT OF

11:18:26 PRIVILEGE.
11:18:26 LET ME JUST STATE YOUR RULE 4 UNDER PARLIAMENTARY
11:18:29 PROCEDURES.
11:18:30 RULE K, THE CHAIR SHALL DECIDE ALL QUESTIONS OF PROCEDURE
11:18:34 AND ORDER AND THE DECISION SHALL STAND UNLESS REVERSED BY A
11:18:36 MAJORITY VOTE OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.
11:18:40 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I DEFER TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:18:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, THEN WE MOVE ON.
11:18:46 WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA.
11:18:47 WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.
11:18:49 MR. DINGFELDER.
11:18:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK PROCEDURALLY, JUST FOR PRECEDENT
11:18:57 PURPOSES, I THINK WE ARE A LITTLE OFF TRACK.
11:19:02 FROM WHAT I HEARD, MR. VIERA MADE A MOTION.
11:19:05 IT WAS SECONDED.
11:19:06 MR. CARLSON MADE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, OR WE COULD CALL IT
11:19:12 SOMETHING ELSE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE WORD, MR. SHELBY USED,
11:19:17 BASICALLY ELIMINATING MOST OF THE WHEREASES, VIRTUALLY ALL
11:19:26 OF THE WHEREASES CLAUSES AND SUBSTITUTING IN A DIFFERENT
11:19:29 WHEREAS CLAUSE.
11:19:32 I THINK PROCEDURALLY, AND WESTBOUND PRECEDENT, THAT THAT,
11:19:38 THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE WHEN WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE
11:19:39 MOTION, WHEN WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WE
11:19:43 VOTE ON THE SECOND MOTION FIRST, AND THEN WE GO BACK TO THE
11:19:47 PRIMARY MOTION.

11:19:49 SO IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT WE ARE BREAKING FROM WHAT I
11:19:52 THOUGHT WAS TRADITION.
11:19:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
11:19:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SINCE MR. CARLSON PUT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION
11:20:04 ON THE, MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED, WE VOTE ON THAT.
11:20:08 IF IT DIES, IT DIES, AND IT SUPERSEDES MR. VIERA'S MOTION?
11:20:13 >> YES.
11:20:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN THAT CASE, ONCE YOU LOOK IT UP, YOU
11:20:19 TELL ME WHAT THE RULE IS, WE WILL GO BY THE RULE, WE'LL GO
11:20:22 FROM THERE.
11:20:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, I DID LOOK IT UP.
11:20:25 AND WHEN YOU START TO DO MOTIONS TO AMEND AND IT GETS TO THE
11:20:27 POINT WHERE IT'S VERY SUBSTANTIVE, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY,
11:20:31 LITERALLY, A SUBSTITUTION.
11:20:33 I HAVE TO ASK SPECIFICALLY -- AND I LOOK AT ROBERTS RULES --
11:20:38 IT GOES THROUGH QUITE AN EXTENSIVE WAY TO STRIKE WORDS, ADD
11:20:44 WORDS, SUBSTITUTE WORDS, TAKE OUT PARAGRAPHS.
11:20:48 FOR INSTANCE ARE, YOUR RESOLUTION HAS A TITLE.
11:20:52 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, WE CAN EASILY SOLVE THIS.
11:20:55 SINCE YOU ARE THE ONE IN CHARGE, IF YOU WILL AGREE TO ALLOW
11:20:57 BOTH MOTIONS TO GO FORWARD, I WILL WITHDRAW THE SUBSTITUTE.
11:21:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S FINE WITH ME, SIR.
11:21:04 >> IN WHAT ORDER?
11:21:08 >>BILL CARLSON: THE CHAIR'S OFFER TO ALLOW BOTH TO MOVE
11:21:11 FORWARD, WHICH ORDER DO WE TAKE THEM IN?

11:21:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK MR. VIERA'S SHOULD GO FIRST AND
11:21:17 YOUR MOTION SHOULD BE SECOND, SIR.
11:21:20 >>BILL CARLSON: THEN I WILL WITHDRAW, WITH RESPECT TO --
11:21:25 THANKS TO MR. DINGFELDER, I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
11:21:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. VIERA
11:21:30 ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WITH MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.
11:21:34 ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:21:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:21:39 >>LUIS VIERA: SI.
11:21:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:21:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:21:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
11:21:45 >>BILL CARLSON: I AM VOTING NO AS I SAID BEFORE BECAUSE I
11:21:49 OBJECT TO SOME OF THE WHEREAS CLAUSES AND OTHER LANGUAGE BUT
11:21:53 I HAVE FULL SUPPORT FOR THE CUBAN PEOPLE.
11:21:55 THANK YOU.
11:21:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:21:57 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER AND CARLSON
11:21:59 VOTING NO.
11:21:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE CARLSON WITH A MOTION ON THE
11:22:05 FLOOR.
11:22:07 IN LIGHT OF WHAT YOU STATED, IF YOU COULD STATE THAT AGAIN.
11:22:12 >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN ACCEPTED THIS TO THE CLERK, A MOTION
11:22:17 THAT COUNCIL QUOTE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTS THE
11:22:20 CUBAN PEOPLE IN THEIR EFFORTS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC

11:22:23 FREEDOM.
11:22:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.
11:22:27 SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
11:22:28 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:22:29 MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:22:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS WOULD BE TO COME BACK THIS AFTERNOON
11:22:35 WITH SOMETHING IN WRITING, BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS YOU
11:22:38 HAVE A STATEMENT WHICH SOUNDED LIKE A TITLE, WHICH WOULD BE
11:22:42 IN THE THEREFORE BUT IN THE PREAMBLE WHICH IS USUALLY WHERE
11:22:46 THE WHEREASES CLAUSES ARE.
11:22:48 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE.
11:22:52 >> IT'S ONLY ONE SENTENCE.
11:22:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO YOU ARE MAKING IT NOT FOR THE
11:22:57 RESOLUTION?
11:22:58 >> WE CAN PUT IT IN ONE FORM YOU WANT BUT A STATEMENT THAT
11:23:01 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL APPROVES A STATEMENT WHERE WE CAN GO TO
11:23:04 THE CUBAN AMERICANS IN TAMPA, MAIM, CITIES ACROSS THE UNITED
11:23:07 STATES AND THE CUBANS IN CUBA AND ELSEWHERE AND SAY, TAMPA
11:23:11 CITY COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTS THE CUBAN PEOPLE IN THEIR
11:23:13 EFFORTS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
11:23:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE IN
11:23:18 THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION.
11:23:19 THAT WAS THE INTENT OF MR. CARLSON.
11:23:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
11:23:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO THE FORMAT AND BRING IT BACK THIS

11:23:27 AFTERNOON.
11:23:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH MR.
11:23:29 CARLSON TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION.
11:23:32 >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ONE SENTENCE.
11:23:34 COULD WE JUST VOTE TO BRING IT BACK THIS AFTERNOON?
11:23:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S YOUR MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SIR.
11:23:40 IF MR. SHELBY CAN GET IT TYPED UP IN THE FORM OF A
11:23:43 RESOLUTION OR STATEMENT.
11:23:44 HOWEVER HE FEELS IS BEST TO COME BACK THIS AFTERNOON.
11:23:46 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
11:23:49 I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES IN THE COMMUNITY FOR TALKING
11:23:51 ABOUT THIS SO MUCH, AS THE OTHER RESOLUTION SAYS, TAMPA HAS
11:23:54 A LONG HISTORY WITH CUBA, AND I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT
11:23:57 WE CAN DO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, HUMANITARIAN GROUPS THAT
11:24:03 HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY FOR YEARS WORKING WITH CUBA AND THEIR
11:24:06 RELIGIOUS GROUPS, RESEARCH GROUPS, THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS
11:24:08 THAT WE AS CITY COUNCIL AND AS LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY,
11:24:12 WHAT WE HAVE AND CAN DON TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THE IMMEDIATE
11:24:15 SITUATION AND IMMEDIATE URGENT SITUATION FOR THE CUBAN
11:24:18 PEOPLE AND LONG-TERM WE CAN SUPPORT THEM.
11:24:20 SO I WILL BRING THIS BACK.
11:24:22 THANK YOU.
11:24:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR.
11:24:25 CARLSON, IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION/STATEMENT, THAT MR.
11:24:30 DINGFELDER SECONDED.

11:24:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE] I THINK MR. SHELBY NEED
11:24:37 TO HAVE IN THE WRITING.
11:24:38 WE CAN'T PASS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN WRITING.
11:24:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO FOLLOW UP, MR.
11:24:43 MIRANDA, I THANK YOU.
11:24:44 AND I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO.
11:24:46 SO BASICALLY THIS VOTE IS TO COME BACK.
11:24:49 IT'S A STATEMENT TO DIRECT ME WORKING WITH MR. MIRANDA TO
11:24:52 COME BACK -- WITH A RESOLUTION IN WRITING THAT CAN BE SIGNED
11:24:56 BY THE CHAIR AND THE CLERK.
11:24:57 >> THAT'S FINE.
11:25:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.
11:25:02 SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
11:25:05 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THIS IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
11:25:06 THIS IS A SEPARATE ONE.
11:25:08 BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES, MORAL CLARITY IN MY -- MORE
11:25:12 CLARITY IF MY MOTION.
11:25:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON.
11:25:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
11:25:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:25:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:25:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:25:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
11:25:26 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:25:27 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:25:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS AFTERNOON FOR THAT ITEM.
11:25:37 WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA. WE NEED TO MOVE THE BEST WE CAN.
11:25:42 ITEM NUMBER 3.
11:25:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:25:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 3 THROUGH 73.
11:25:59 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
11:26:04 WE ARE NOW OPEN.
11:26:04 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER
11:26:12 3, TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY ON YOUR AGENDA FOR A LOCAL
11:26:18 LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
11:26:19 THIS ITEM I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PRESENT
11:26:22 DOWNSTAIRS AND A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
11:26:24 I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO CITY COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT THIS
11:26:27 ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR PETITION FOR REVIEW REGARDING SPECIAL
11:26:31 USE APPLICATION.
11:26:33 THAT HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR JULY 29th AND I WANTED TO
11:26:36 ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE PUBLIC DO NOT SPEAK
11:26:39 REGARDING THAT PETITION FOR REVIEW BECAUSE IT'S NOT NOTICED
11:26:44 FOR TODAY.
11:26:45 IT'S ONLY NOTICED FOR THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE LOCAL
11:26:48 LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
11:26:50 AND RESPECTFULLY THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING.
11:26:54 THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT BE FOCUSED ONLY ON WHAT IS SCHEDULED
11:26:56 FOR TODAY.
11:26:57 THANK YOU.

11:26:58 AND THEN MS. ELAINE LUND IS HERE FOR STAFF.
11:27:01 I BELIEVE SHE'S APPEARING AND HOPEFULLY WILL GIVE THE
11:27:04 PRESENTATION FOR THE ITEM NUMBER 3.
11:27:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
11:27:07 WE'LL HEAR IT.
11:27:08 >>ELAINE LUND: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:27:13 CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY?
11:27:14 >> PLEASE PROCEED.
11:27:20 >> THIS IS ELAINE LUND WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
11:27:23 ARE YOU HEARING ME?
11:27:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU.
11:27:26 >>ELAINE LUND: GREAT.
11:27:27 SO THE ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING IS THE LOCAL
11:27:30 HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR
11:27:34 FACTORY.
11:27:35 IF I MAY SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
11:27:48 SO THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY IS 1908 NORTH 36th
11:27:56 STREET IN THE COMMUNITY OF GARY.
11:28:03 PROPERTIES CONSIDERED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION
11:28:05 COMMISSION ARE THE HPC AT A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE
11:28:09 WHETHER THEY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR LOCAL HISTORIC
11:28:11 DESIGNATION FOUND IN SECTION 27-257 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF
11:28:15 ORDINANCES.
11:28:17 LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION PRESERVES HISTORIC LANDMARKS AND
11:28:20 DISTRICTS, PROVIDES FOR REVIEW, ALTERATIONS TO DESIGNATED

11:28:24 PROPERTIES, THE HERITAGE OF THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
11:28:29 THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1980 IN
11:28:35 GARY WHICH IS EAST OF YBOR CITY.
11:28:40 THE 1915 MAP SHOWING THE STRUCTURE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER
11:28:44 OF 36th STREET AND YOU CAN SEE THE CIGAR FACTORY TO THE
11:28:49 WEST THERE, AND TO THE NORTH, A SERIES OF HOUSES.
11:28:57 THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS THE MODERN DAY AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH
11:29:00 OF THE SAME AREA WITH THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN RED.
11:29:05 THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY WAS FOUNDED IN 1904 FOR
11:29:12 THE MANUFACTURE OF CIGARS.
11:29:14 THE FACTORY OPERATED IN A ROOM OVER THE CURRENT BLOCK AT THE
11:29:17 CORNER OF -- WHERE THE BUILDING STILL STANDS TODAY.
11:29:23 STREET EXPANDED ITS BUSINESS TO GARY IN 1908.
11:29:29 THE CIGAR BRICK FACTORY HAS BLOND BRICK CIGAR FACTORY, AND
11:29:40 THE TYPES, LARGE MASS EAST-WEST ORIENTATION AND HAVING
11:29:45 TYPICAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STYLE.
11:29:50 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~] THE FACTORY WAS DESIGNED BY JAMES, A
11:29:53 PROMINENT ARCHITECT IN WEST TAMPA AND TAMPA, FROM THE
11:29:56 PRINCIPAL BRAND MANUFACTURING BY THE TIERRA DEL LAGO COMPANY
11:30:01 BECAUSE IT IS UNNECESSARY TO ASK THE BUYER WHAT KIND OF
11:30:04 CIGAR IS BEST.
11:30:06 THE CIGAR COMPANY MOVED TO YBOR CITY IN 1919 AND THE
11:30:09 BUILDING -- MASONIC LODGE.
11:30:15 GARY WAS A THRIVING COMMUNITY IN THE EARLY 1900S, LOCAL RAIL
11:30:22 LINES.

11:30:24 INCORPORATED IN THE CITY OF 1919 AND WAS ANNEXED INTO THE
11:30:27 CITY OF TAMPA IN 1923.
11:30:29 CIGAR FACTORIES MADE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN CONTRIBUTION TO
11:30:32 THE FOUNDING, DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE EARLY
11:30:35 MUNICIPALITIES OF YBOR CITY, WEST TAMPA AND GARY.
11:30:38 THE EARLY POPULATION OF THE AREA GREW IN DIRECT PROPORTION
11:30:41 TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING HERE TO SEEK CIGAR FACTORIES
11:30:45 AND OTHER INDUSTRIES.
11:30:50 THERE ARE CURRENTLY 11 DESIGNATED CIGAR FACTORIES IN THE
11:30:56 CITY.
11:30:59 THESE ARE DESIGNATED OR AS PART OF HISTORICAL DISTRICTS.
11:31:07 THIS IS A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER NUMBER THAN THE APPROXIMATELY
11:31:11 OVER 200 FACTORIES THAT ONCE EXISTED IN THE CITY.
11:31:19 THIS APPLICATION WAS MADE ON AUGUST 9th, 2020, BY THE
11:31:22 OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
11:31:24 IT WAS ADDED TO THE HPCC IN 1920.
11:31:31 YOU CAN SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL OR THE
11:31:34 DESIGNATION ON MARCH 9th, 2021 AND THE PLANNING
11:31:37 COMMISSION FOUND THE APPLICATION CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S
11:31:42 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON APRIL 5th.
11:31:45 NOTICE HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE OWNER NEARBY PROPERTY
11:31:47 OWNERS, REGISTERED ORGANIZATIONS FOR TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING.
11:31:54 THE LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS OF THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR
11:32:00 FACTORY WITH A TYPE.
11:32:02 THE FACTORY MEETS THREE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA

11:32:05 ORDINANCES 27-257 FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
11:32:10 CONSTRUCTED DURING THE PERIOD OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE,
11:32:14 WHICH IS CONSIDERED GENERALLY 50 YEARS.
11:32:19 HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT IN THE AREAS OF INDUSTRY AND
11:32:21 ARCHITECTURE.
11:32:23 ADDITIONALLY, OWNER SUPPORT MUST BE CONSIDERED FOR THE
11:32:26 DESIGNATION.
11:32:27 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY FOR COMING
11:32:30 FORWARD TO REQUEST THE DESIGNATION AND FOR WORKING WITH US
11:32:32 THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
11:32:37 IN SUMMARY, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REVIEWED
11:32:40 THE APPLICATION ON MARCH 9th AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
11:32:43 THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND
11:32:46 FOUND IT TO BE CONSISTENT.
11:32:48 THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
11:32:51 APPROVE THE DESIGNATION OF THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR
11:32:55 FACTORY, 1908 NORTH 36th STREET AS A LOCAL LANDMARK
11:32:59 BASED ON MEETING THE CRITERIA SECTION 27-257.
11:33:06 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:33:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:33:09 ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?
11:33:10 OKAY.
11:33:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I BELIEVE AT MINIMUM WE HAVE THE
11:33:16 PETITIONER, THE APPLICANT WHO WANTED TO SPEAK TO US?
11:33:24 (BACKGROUND CONVERSATION).

11:33:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: COMPUTER, PLEASE?
11:33:38 WE HAVE A PETITIONER?
11:33:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:33:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
11:34:00 STILL THERE, MR. POWELL?
11:34:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T BELIEVE -- MR. POWELL IS HERE, THE
11:34:09 PERSON WHO IS MAKING THE --
11:34:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOUR MIKE IS NOT ON.
11:34:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:34:22 I BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE PRESENT.
11:34:24 WE CAN CHECK ON TWO.
11:34:27 THERE'S NO ONE ELSE HERE PRESENT?
11:34:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS ANYBODY IN THE ROOM, SIR?
11:34:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYBODY OTHER THAN THIS GENTLEMAN?
11:34:33 THERE'S A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE EARLIER.
11:34:35 HE LEFT.
11:34:38 ALL RIGHT.
11:34:39 I GUESS WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
11:34:42 YOU ARE WELCOME TO SPEAK.
11:34:43 >> HE LEFT.
11:34:50 HE WAS IN THE OTHER ROOM.
11:34:51 BUT I AM HERE ALSO QUICKLY ON THIS MOTION AS WELL.
11:34:56 IN SUPPORT OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, I WANTED TO COME TO SPEAK
11:34:59 IN SUPPORT OF PRESERVING --
11:35:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOUR NAME, SIR.

11:35:04 >> MICHAEL FITROW, AND I'M A STUDENT AT ST. PETERSBURG
11:35:09 COLLEGE, ONE OF MY CASE STUDIES ON SEEING HOW LOCAL
11:35:13 GOVERNMENT WORKS AND MAKING A CASE STUDY TO STUDY HOW TO
11:35:16 MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
11:35:18 BESIDES BEING THE CIGAR FACTORY, IT ALSO SERVED AS A FREE
11:35:22 MASONIC LODGE AND WAS HEAVILY INVESTED WITH TENS OF
11:35:26 THOUSANDS, EVENTUALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, AND
11:35:28 I DO BELIEVE THAT HAVING SERVED MULTIPLE USES WITHIN THE
11:35:31 COMMUNITY, EVERYTHING MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND NEEDS
11:35:35 IN ORDER TO BECOME A HISTORIC PRESERVE SITE, AND THEN WITH
11:35:39 THE ADDITION TO PUBLIC SAFETY, BETTER SAFETY MEASURES,
11:35:43 EDUCATION, AND BRINGING IN TOURISM, FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND
11:35:46 I BELIEVE BRINGING FOLKS TOGETHER CLOSER SOCIALLY,
11:35:49 PRESERVING HISTORY, HONORING WHERE WE COME FROM, I WOULD
11:35:53 LIKE TO SAY AND SUPPORT THAT I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THIS A
11:35:57 PRESERVED HISTORIC SITE, AND I AGREE WITH THE
11:36:00 RECOMMENDATION, AND WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:36:04 THANK YOU.
11:36:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:36:05 ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
11:36:07 MOVE TO CLOSE?
11:36:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BEFORE YOU CLOSE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:36:12 I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE OR TWO THINGS ABOUT THIS
11:36:16 PARTICULAR BUILDING.
11:36:19 BACK IN ABOUT 2004, OR 2003 WHEN MR. CARL WAS CITY ATTORNEY,

11:36:29 THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE AND HISTORICALLY DESIGNATE
11:36:34 ALL CIGAR FACTORIES IN THE CITY, AND SOME OF THEM GOT DONE
11:36:38 VOLUNTARILY, AND THEN SOME OF THEM RESISTED.
11:36:42 AND THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING THE PASTOR WHO OWNED THE CHURCH
11:36:45 OWNED THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME RESISTED HEAVILY.
11:36:48 HE SAID, YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE ME PUT IN NEW WINDOWS AND
11:36:52 THIS AND THAT, HE SAID OUR LITTLE CHURCH CAN'T AFFORD IT.
11:36:55 AND HE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN RESISTING, AND WE UNDER HIS
11:36:58 POSITION AT THE TIME.
11:37:02 TIME WENT ON AND NOW IT'S IN THE HAND OF A PRIVATE DEVELOPER
11:37:05 WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS THE WHEREWITHAL AND THE CAPITAL TO
11:37:09 RENOVATE AND TAKE THIS BUILDING BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL
11:37:16 POSITION AND PUT IT TO GOOD USE.
11:37:19 THE CHURCH PUT IT TO GOOD USE DURING THE YEARS THEY HAD IT
11:37:21 BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT UP.
11:37:24 BUT NOW REALLY PROUD OF MR. POWELL AND HIS TEAM, THAT THEY
11:37:28 ARE GOING TO DO THIS, AND I WILL SUPPORT IT
11:37:30 WHOLEHEARTEDLY --
11:37:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BID MR. MANISCALCO.
11:37:36 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:37:38 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:37:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST READING BY TITLE.
11:37:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I AM HAPPY TO SEE HISTORIC
11:37:54 PRESERVATION BECAUSE SO MUCH WAS DEMOLISHED OVER THE LAST
11:37:57 60, 70 YEARS WITH URBAN RENEWAL AND THE INTERSTATE AND

11:38:02 WHATNOT.
11:38:02 I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING CONSIDERED FOR FIRST READING
11:38:06 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
11:38:10 DESIGNATING TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY LOCATED AT 1908
11:38:15 NORTH 36th STREET TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY
11:38:18 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 23 HEREOF AS A LOCAL LANDMARK PROVIDING
11:38:20 FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR
11:38:23 SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:38:24 >> SECOND.
11:38:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:38:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:38:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:38:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:38:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:38:40 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
11:38:42 ABSENT AT VOTE, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON
11:38:46 AUGUST 5th, THE 2021 AT 9:30 A.M.
11:38:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANKS TO THE CITY STAFF WHO PUT
11:38:53 TOGETHER THAT LONG HISTORY ON THE BUILDING.
11:38:55 WE NEED MORE OF THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S SO HELPFUL
11:38:59 AND I HOPE THAT VALUABLE INFORMATION IS CIRCULATED IN THE
11:39:01 COMMUNITY.
11:39:02 THANK YOU.
11:39:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT YOUNG MAN OR
11:39:04 NOT, MR. POWELL.

11:39:10 FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW HIM I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS YOUNG
11:39:24 MAN.
11:39:24 HE'S BECOME QUITE A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPER, ENTREPRENEUR.
11:39:31 HE'S TRYING TO FIX THE PLACE UP.
11:39:33 AND I AM JUST SO PROUD OF HIM.
11:39:38 A GREAT JOB ON THE WORK HE'S TRYING TO DO AND HAS BECOME A
11:39:41 GREAT, GREAT YOUNG MAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
11:39:43 ITEM NUMBER 4.
11:39:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CONTINUE TO NOVEMBER 4, 2021.
11:39:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER.
11:39:51 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:39:53 SO MOVED.
11:39:54 NUMBER 5 WILL BE AT 1:30.
11:39:57 CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.
11:39:58 PUBLIC SAFETY, MR. CITRO, ITEMS NUMBER 6 THROUGH 19, SIR.
11:40:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ALL THOSE WITH THE
11:40:08 EXCEPTION OF ITEM 16.
11:40:10 >> SECOND.
11:40:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED IT.
11:40:17 SECONDED.
11:40:23 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY, WE MOVED SO FAST.
11:40:26 I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FOR NUMBER 7.
11:40:28 CAN WE PULL NUMBER 7 OUT, PLEASE?
11:40:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IN THAT CASE I WILL MOVE ITEM AGENDA NUMBER
11:40:35 6 THROUGH 19 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 7 AND 16.

11:40:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
11:40:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
11:40:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:40:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:40:47 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:40:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:40:49 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:40:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:40:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:40:53 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:40:54 >>BILL CARLSON: I COULD JUST DATE THE NATURE OF MY
11:40:58 CONFLICT?
11:40:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
11:41:00 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST THE COMPANY WITH WHICH I AM RETAINED
11:41:03 HAS A CLIENT THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN NUMBER 7 SO I WOULD
11:41:06 RESPECTFULLY ABSTAIN AND ALSO FILE MY PAPER FORM WITH THE
11:41:12 CLERK.
11:41:13 CAN WE VOTE TO ACCEPT THIS?
11:41:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
11:41:21 MR. CARLSON MADE A MOTION.
11:41:22 MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED IT.
11:41:25 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:41:26 ALL RIGHT.
11:41:27 NUMBER 7.
11:41:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I MOVE RESOLUTION FOR ITEM

11:41:37 NUMBER 7.
11:41:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
11:41:40 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:41:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:41:45 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:41:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:41:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:41:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:41:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:41:52 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON
11:41:55 ABSTAINING.
11:41:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, ITEM NUMBER 20-28, PARKS
11:42:00 AND RECREATION.
11:42:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:42:02 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 20 THROUGH 28.
11:42:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:42:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
11:42:07 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:42:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:42:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:42:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:42:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
11:42:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:42:17 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:42:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:42:19 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
11:42:22 ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:42:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, PUBLIC WORKS, 29 THROUGH
11:42:27 39.
11:42:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, MARTIN SHELBY,
11:42:30 CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
11:42:31 IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT WAS ON THE ADDENDUM TO PULL ITEM
11:42:35 29.
11:42:37 BUT IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO TAKE IT TODAY BECAUSE BRAD
11:42:41 BAIRD HAS BEEN EXCUSED FROM THE OTHER ITEMS, IF THERE'S NO
11:42:45 OBJECTION, I AM SURE THE ADMINISTRATION WOULDN'T MIND NUMBER
11:42:49 29 ALSO BEING MOVED EVEN NOW OR LATER AT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:42:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY CONCERNS IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM?
11:43:14 >> 29 WAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
11:43:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE NOTHING I WILL MOVE ITEMS 29
11:43:19 THROUGH 39.
11:43:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
11:43:22 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:43:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:43:24 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:43:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:43:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:43:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:43:28 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:43:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:43:30 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:43:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MOVE THE FINANCE
11:43:35 COMMITTEE REPORTS EXCLUDING NUMBER 42?
11:43:38 >> ITEM 42 THROUGH 50 EXCLUDING 42.
11:43:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, QUESTION.
11:43:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE ITEM AND THE
11:43:54 MOTION BUT ITEM 40 IS SPECIFICALLY THE APPOINTMENT OF THE
11:43:56 PARTICULAR GENTLEMAN, I DON'T KNOW HIM, AS A MEMBER OF THE
11:44:00 VRB.
11:44:07 AND THESE ARE IMPORTANT POSITIONS, THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
11:44:12 AND SOME OF THESE OTHER BOARDS, THE BARRIO, AND SIMILAR
11:44:17 TYPES OF BOARDS.
11:44:19 AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BACKUP FOR THIS -- AND I KNOW THIS
11:44:26 IS THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT.
11:44:27 BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BACKUP, I DON'T REALLY FIND A WHOLE
11:44:30 LOT OF PORTION IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THE PERSON FEELS
11:44:34 ABOUT THESE ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
11:44:40 I'M JUST WONDERING -- AND I WILL TALK TO THE CLERK ABOUT
11:44:44 THIS, BUT I AM JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN SORT OF BEEF UP A
11:44:50 QUESTIONNAIRE SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE
11:44:53 PERSON WHO IS APPLYING FOR THIS, YOU KNOW.
11:44:57 ARE THEY A HARD CORE PROPERTY RIGHTS PERSON, OR ARE THEY
11:45:01 SOMEBODY THAT'S MORE NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED, OR SOMETHING
11:45:04 LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT
11:45:09 BEFORE I FOR ONE AND THE REST OF YOU VOTE ON A PERSON IN THE

11:45:14 ABSTRACT.
11:45:16 SO, ANYWAY, I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE, AND I JUST WANTED
11:45:22 TO BRING THAT UP.
11:45:25 AND I AM GOING TO TALK TO SHIRLEY, OUR CLERK, ABOUT THAT
11:45:28 ISSUE, AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION
11:45:32 FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
11:45:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SURE SHE'S LISTENING.
11:45:36 MR. MIRANDA.
11:45:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CHANGE ON -- 42,
11:45:44 44 TO ALLOW, IF I REMEMBER THAT COUNCILMEMBER WHOSE FAMILY
11:45:48 MEMBER IS GETTING A LITTLE -- SHE WORKED FOR US, SHE'S
11:45:55 ENTITLED AND I JUST DON'T WANT SOMEBODY LATER ON IN THE
11:45:59 FUTURE TO ACCUSE THIS COUNCIL OF ANYTHING.
11:46:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, ITEM NUMBER 44, MR. MIRANDA?
11:46:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 44.
11:46:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA IS REMINDING ME IN REGARD TO
11:46:23 ITEM 44, I GUESS HIS MEMORY IS BETTER THAN MINE THAT MY WIFE
11:46:30 RECEIVED SOME PROCEEDS, I THINK LAST YEAR, NOT NECESSARILY
11:46:32 THIS COMING YEAR, FROM THE TAMPA HILLSBOROUGH FILM AND
11:46:37 DIGITAL MEDIA COMMISSION.
11:46:43 I'M SURE SHE EARNED MUCH MORE THAN SHE GOT.
11:46:46 BUTT WITH THAT SAID, MR. MIRANDA, I APPRECIATE YOU REMINDING
11:46:48 ME OF THAT AND I WILL RECUSE MYSELF FROM ITEM 44 JUST OUT OF
11:46:54 AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, MR. SHELBY, AND I WILL FILL OUT THE
11:46:57 APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK.

11:46:58 THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA.
11:46:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
11:47:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TAKE THAT SEPARATELY, PLEASE.
11:47:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVES 41 THROUGH 43, 45, 46,
11:47:16 47 THROUGH 50.
11:47:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
11:47:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY CITRO.
11:47:23 ROLL CALL.
11:47:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:47:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:47:29 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:47:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EVERYTHING BUT 44, YES.
11:47:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:47:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:47:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:47:38 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:47:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER STEP OUT ONE QUICK SECOND
11:47:44 FOR 44 AND WE'LL GET THAT OUT OF THE WAIT AND WE'LL MOVE ON.
11:47:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CONSIDER ME OUT.
11:47:54 >>BILL CARLSON: I COULD SAY ONE THING?
11:47:57 WHILE HE'S WALKING OUT.
11:47:57 ADAM SMITH, I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER PERSON HONOR WAS
11:48:00 APPOINTED, BUT ADAM SMITH BACK ON 42, I JUST WANT --
11:48:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, WE ARE NOT TAKING 42.
11:48:12 >>BILL CARLSON: WHILE HE WAS WALKING OUT I WAS GOING TO

11:48:15 MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT 42.
11:48:19 SAY THANKS TO THE MAYOR FOR ADDING ADAM SMITH BECAUSE HE'S A
11:48:24 GREAT PERSON, HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
11:48:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE 44?
11:48:33 >> MOVE ITEM 44.
11:48:35 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:48:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:48:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:48:39 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:48:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:48:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:48:43 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH DINGFELDER
11:48:46 ABSTAINING.
11:48:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, BUILDING, ZONING, 51 THROUGH
11:48:53 55.
11:48:54 >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 51 THROUGH 65, PLEASE.
11:48:56 >> SECOND.
11:48:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:48:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:49:01 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:49:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:49:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:49:05 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:49:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:49:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:49:10 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:49:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
11:49:12 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:49:15 I HEREBY MOVE ITEMS 66 THROUGH 73.
11:49:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:49:20 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:49:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:49:25 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:49:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:49:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:49:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:49:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:49:30 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:49:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE ITEMS 74 TO BE HELD FOR REVIEW
11:49:41 HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 2nd, 2021 AT 10:30 IN THE MORNING.
11:49:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] AYE.
11:49:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE ITEM 75 TO BE HELD PUBLIC HEARING
11:49:55 AT AUGUST 26th, 10:30 A.M., COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THIRD
11:49:59 FLOOR.
11:50:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
11:50:01 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:50:02 ALL RIGHT.
11:50:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS ON 76 THROUGH 82.
11:50:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
11:50:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

11:50:09 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:50:11 HEARINGS ARE OPEN.
11:50:11 NUMBER 76.
11:50:20 STAFF.
11:50:20 >> PATRICK PEREZ, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, SECOND READING ON
11:50:24 THE WORKING ORDINANCE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION BY
11:50:28 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO ALLOW POLICE OFFICERS AND
11:50:32 ENFORCEMENT SPECIALISTS TO WRITE CITATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL
11:50:36 VEHICLES LEFT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
11:50:38 THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES SINCE THE FIRST READING BUT I AM
11:50:41 HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:50:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS BY -- OF STAFF?
11:50:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I ASSUME IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR
11:50:50 THE FIRST READING AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCIL FOR
11:50:53 THE SUPPORT.
11:50:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
11:50:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:50:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
11:51:01 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:51:05 I'M SORRY, MR. MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU READ IT, SIR?
11:51:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
11:51:11 HEARING?
11:51:12 SO MOVED.
11:51:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE MOVING TOO FAST.
11:51:14 THANK YOU.

11:51:15 MR. MANISCALCO.
11:51:16 MR. VIERA SECONDED IT.
11:51:18 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:51:19 ANY OPPOSED?
11:51:20 MR. MANISCALCO, SIR.
11:51:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
11:51:23 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
11:51:25 TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE PARKING
11:51:28 CITATIONS MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
11:51:30 ORDINANCES CHAPTER 15 PARKING AMENDING ARTICLE 1,
11:51:33 ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS, DIVISION 1, GENERAL PROVISIONS,
11:51:36 ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY, DEFINITIONS, SECTION 15-4.5,
11:51:41 AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR PARKING TICKETS, REPEALING
11:51:44 ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH,
11:51:48 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:51:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:51:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
11:51:53 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:51:53 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:51:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:51:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:51:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:51:59 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:52:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:52:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:52:03 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:52:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 77.
11:52:09 DO WE HAVE STAFF ON 77?
11:52:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:52:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:52:28 SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
11:52:30 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:52:32 ALL RIGHT.
11:52:32 MR. VIERA, WOULD YOU READ 77?
11:52:34 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
11:52:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 76, 77 AND 78?
11:52:49 LOOKS LIKE NUMBER 76 WAS CLOSED AND VOTED ON.
11:52:54 IS THAT CORRECT?
11:52:56 IS SHE PRESENT NOW FOR 76?
11:52:57 >>THE CLERK: JEAN STROHMEYER, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE,
11:53:03 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
11:53:05 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
11:53:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE SHE DOES I THINK YOU NEED TO
11:53:09 REOPEN.
11:53:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: REOPEN NUMBER 76.
11:53:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, SECONDED BY MR. VIERA.
11:53:18 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:53:19 IT'S REOPENED.
11:53:21 MS. STROHMEYER?
11:53:22 >> HELLO?

11:53:25 WHAT ITEM ARE WE ON, 76?
11:53:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 76.
11:53:28 >> HI THERE.
11:53:29 I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF PARKING CITATIONS AS A WAY TO PUNISH
11:53:35 PEOPLE FOR PARKING IN THE CITY THAT WE ALREADY PAY FOR.
11:53:40 IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. ANYWAY, THAT'S IT.
11:53:43 I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
11:53:45 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
11:53:46 THANK YOU.
11:53:46 HAVE A GREAT DAY.
11:53:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:53:51 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:53:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
11:53:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY.
11:53:57 THE TITLE HAS ALREADY BEEN READ.
11:54:00 I GUESS ANOTHER ROLL CALL AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT IS
11:54:02 IN ORDER, TO PUT A PERIOD AT THE END.
11:54:05 STATEMENT.
11:54:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NUMBER 76 I READ IT.
11:54:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SECOND IT.
11:54:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
11:54:15 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:54:18 NEED TO CLOSE.
11:54:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY, I WILL READ IT.
11:54:22 I WISH THAT HE WOULD READ THE ORDINANCE.

11:54:25 THAT IS MY OPINION.
11:54:30 WE CLOSED ALREADY TO CLOSE.
11:54:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL'S PLEASURE CERTAINLY.
11:54:33 READ THE ORDINANCE.
11:54:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ITEM NUMBER 76
11:54:37 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
11:54:39 AN ORDINANCE.
11:54:41 CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE
11:54:43 PARKING CITATIONS MAKING REVISION TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
11:54:46 ORDINANCES CHAPTER 15 PARKING AMENDING ARTICLE 1
11:54:51 ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS DIVISION 1 GENERAL PROVISIONS
11:54:54 ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY DEFINITIONS SECTION 15-4.57
11:54:58 AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS FOR PARKING TICKETS REPEALING
11:55:01 ALL ORDINANCES IN O OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
11:55:03 THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
11:55:05 DATE.
11:55:06 >> SECOND.
11:55:08 [ROLL CALL]
11:55:12 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:55:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
11:55:16 WITH REGARD TO 77, WHERE DO WE STAND, THE CLERK'S POSITION?
11:55:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE ONE PERSON, MS. STROHMEYER AGAIN
11:55:23 TO SPEAK.
11:55:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS THE HEARING CLOSED ON 77?
11:55:27 IT'S STILL OPEN?

11:55:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:55:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
11:55:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF ON 77?
11:55:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO FOLLOW UP,
11:55:37 IF I CAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
11:55:39 THIS IS THE SECOND READING BASED ON COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO
11:55:45 THE ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT BY ORDINANCE THE PROVISIONS
11:55:50 THAT WAS PASSED I BELIEVE IN 2016 AS A CHARTER AMENDMENT,
11:55:54 AND JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, TO BRING TO YOUR SPECIFIC
11:55:59 ATTENTION, THAT THERE'S A SECTION OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT
11:56:04 TAKES EFFECT UPON THE MAYOR SIGNING IT AND WHAT IT SAYS IS
11:56:08 UNDER COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDITS, THE
11:56:12 CITY COUNCIL SHALL MAKE THEIR REQUEST FOR ANY ADDITIONAL
11:56:14 INTERNAL AUDITS WITHIN 30 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE PROPOSED
11:56:20 ANNUAL INTERNAL AUDIT WORK PLAN FROM THE INTERNAL AUDITOR.
11:56:23 SO I JUST WANT TO INFORM YOU, IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT,
11:56:28 THERE WAS AN E-MAIL THAT WAS SENT TO CITY COUNCIL BY THE
11:56:30 INTERNAL AUDITOR, I BELIEVE, THE DATE WAS JULY 7th, THAT
11:56:35 TRANSMITTED THE WORK PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL.
11:56:38 IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT YOU DID GET A COPY OF IT.
11:56:42 I JUST WANT TO REMAINED YOU SO THAT 30 DAYS BEGINS RUNNING
11:56:47 FROM THE 7th OF JULY WHICH WOULD MAKE IT AUGUST 7th,
11:56:51 AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY TWO REGULAR MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW
11:56:53 AND THEN.
11:56:54 SO I JUST DIRECT YOU TO THAT UNLESS COUNCIL UNDER NEWSPAPER

11:56:57 BUSINESS WE COULD TAKE UP THE ISSUE IF YOU COUNCIL WANTS TO
11:56:59 PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE THE 30 DAYS IS UP,
11:57:02 BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
11:57:04 WHEN THE MAYOR SIGNS THIS, THIS ORDINANCE TAKES EFFECT.
11:57:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL THAT ARE LOOKING TO
11:57:12 HAVE ANY AUDITS DONE?
11:57:14 I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION AT THE TIME.
11:57:15 THIS IS JUST A WAY TO KIND OF CURTAIL THE COUNCIL FROM JUST
11:57:19 ASKING FOR AUDITS, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT PERSONALLY.
11:57:25 I AM GLAD WE ARE ABLE TO FIND IT HAD NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
11:57:29 THAT'S THE KEY.
11:57:30 IT WAS NEVER IMPLEMENTED WHEN IT WAS VOTED ON BY THE PUBLIC.
11:57:34 SO I AM GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THAT.
11:57:36 ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME IN REFERENCE TO THIS AUDIT?
11:57:47 MR. DINGFELDER, HE WAS FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.
11:57:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:57:53 YES, I SAW THE E-MAIL FROM OUR AUDITOR, AND WITH THE LIST OF
11:57:59 AUDITS PROPOSED, AND IT LOOKS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
11:58:02 THE ONLY RESPONSE, AND I SENT AN E-MAIL BACK TO MR. BENNETT
11:58:06 AND MS. GLOVER, OUR ONLY RESPONSE BACK WAS -- AND IT'S NOT A
11:58:11 DEMAND BY ANY MEANS FROM COUNCIL OR THIS COUNCILMAN, IS ON
11:58:15 THE LIST THAT I SAW, I DIDN'T SEE ANY TPD, AND TPD
11:58:20 REPRESENTS VERY SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET.
11:58:24 AND SO I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED.
11:58:27 AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO TO

11:58:35 THEM, OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T EXPECT A RESPONSE THAT QUICKLY.
11:58:38 BUT SINCE CHIEF BENNETT IS HERE, IF HE HAS A RESPONSE, THAT
11:58:43 WOULD BE GREAT.
11:58:43 OTHERWISE WE CAN BRING IT UP AT A LATER DATE.
11:58:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID CALL ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
11:58:53 MR. BENNETT?
11:58:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD AFTERNOON OR CLOSE TO GOOD AFTERNOON.
11:58:58 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:59:00 I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND IN SUPPORT TO BOTH MS. GLOVER'S
11:59:04 EFFORTS ON THE AUDIT PLAN, AND IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SECOND
11:59:09 READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
11:59:11 THAT MS. GLOVER AND I AND THE SENIOR STAFF, WHAT CHRISTINE
11:59:17 REFERRED TO AS AN AUDIT UNIVERSE ANALYSIS BY PORTFOLIO.
11:59:21 I WENT BACK FOR FIVE YEARS AND AGGREGATED ALL OF THE AUDITS,
11:59:26 BY PORTFOLIO, SENT THEM OUT TO THE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP, TO
11:59:29 LOOK RETROSPECTIVELY BEFORE THE AUDIT PLAN GOT FINAL, AND TO
11:59:35 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S POINT, I BELIEVE AND I AM DOING THIS
11:59:38 FROM INDEPENDENT RECOLLECTION WITHOUT LOOKING AT THAT
11:59:41 ANALYSIS THAT WAS SENT OUT AND I AM HAPPY TO SHARE A COPY,
11:59:45 THAT TPD BY WAY OF AUDITS ARE IN THE T&I SPACE RELATED TO
11:59:52 RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND THE FEW OTHER SUPPORTING
11:59:54 TECHNOLOGICAL ANGLES IN TPD BUT I WILL GO BACK AND MAKE SURE
12:00:00 THAT THOSE TWO ARE CONJOINED.
12:00:02 AND THESE PART OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE
12:00:05 THAT WE LOOK BACKWARDS, NOT JUST IN THE MOMENT OF THE AUDIT

12:00:09 BUT TO LOOK RETROSPECTIVELY AS WELL AS PROSPECTIVELY IN OUR
12:00:13 LEVELS OF SERVICE.
12:00:15 SO I APPRECIATE COUNCIL SUPPORT ON THE ORDINANCE.
12:00:19 THE PLAN.
12:00:20 AND I ALSO KNOW, I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION ON THE LAST
12:00:23 READING ABOUT LOOKING AT THIS.
12:00:26 SO I THINK EITHER A WORKSHOP RIGHT AFTER THE BEGINNING OF
12:00:28 THE YEAR, TO SEE HOW WELL EVERYTHING IS MOVING.
12:00:31 SO HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
12:00:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
12:00:38 MR. CARLSON.
12:00:38 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAD SOME CONCERNS LAST TIME AND BEFORE
12:00:42 ABOUT LIMITING CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY, BUT I ASKED THE
12:00:46 QUESTION LAST TIME, DOES THIS EFFECT THE CITY COUNCIL'S
12:00:50 RIGHT BY CHARTER TO QUOTE-UNQUOTE INVESTIGATE AND THE ANSWER
12:00:55 GINA GAVE WAS NO.
12:00:56 THE WAY I LOOK AT AUDITS IS THEY ARE MOSTLY PROCESSED,
12:00:59 REVIEWING PROCESSES COMPARED TO BEST PRACTICES, THEY ARE NOT
12:01:02 INVESTIGATING, AND INVESTIGATING POWER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
12:01:06 WE NEVER LIMIT.
12:01:07 THANK YOU.
12:01:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT CLEAR, MR. SHELBY?
12:01:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
12:01:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING ELSE FROM CHIEF OF STAFF?
12:01:15 >>JOHN BENNETT: NO, SIR.

12:01:18 THANK YOU.
12:01:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, SIR.
12:01:23 WE WILL GO TO MR. VIERA, CAN YOU HANDLE NUMBER 77 FOR US?
12:01:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:01:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY.
12:01:33 MRS. STROHMEYER.
12:01:34 >>LUIS VIERA: JEAN STROHMEYER, IF YOU ARE STILL ON THE
12:01:43 LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
12:01:45 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
12:01:46 >> I WITHDRAW ANY MORE COMMENTS.
12:01:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:01:50 YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY.
12:01:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE?
12:01:59 ANYBODY ELSE?
12:02:00 MOVE TO CLOSE?
12:02:02 >> SO MOVED.
12:02:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
12:02:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:02:07 ANY OPPOSED?
12:02:09 ALL RIGHT.
12:02:09 MR. VIERA.
12:02:10 >>LUIS VIERA: I HEREBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
12:02:13 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
12:02:16 TAMPA, FLORIDA AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION 2-71
12:02:20 REGARDING INTERNAL AUDITS, PROVIDING FOR THE PROCESS BY

12:02:24 WHICH CITY COUNCIL CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDITS
12:02:28 PURSUANT TO CITY CHARTER SECTION 5.01 SUBSECTION C PROVIDING
12:02:33 FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICTS
12:02:36 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:02:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
12:02:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:02:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:02:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:02:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:02:45 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:02:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:02:48 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:02:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:02:50 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:02:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE REACHED THE 12 NOON
12:02:53 HOUR.
12:02:54 WE HAVE A LOT TO STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH.
12:02:59 I DON'T THINK IF I GAVE 15 MINUTES WE STILL WOULDN'T GET
12:03:02 THROUGH WITH IT.
12:03:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME BACK AT 1:30.
12:03:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: COME BACK AT 1:30.
12:03:08 I SEE THE CHIEF IS STILL ON THERE.
12:03:10 SO WE HAVE A FULL PACKED AFTERNOON.
12:03:13 SO --
12:03:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU ADJOURN, I JUST WANT TO HAVE

12:03:18 SOME CLARITY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:03:20 I KNOW STAFF REPORTS ARE NORMALLY AT 1:30.
12:03:22 WILL STAFF REPORTS BE TAKEN UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE
12:03:25 COMPLETED?
12:03:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND READINGS.
12:03:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE ARE SECOND READINGS.
12:03:33 I THINK WE SHOULD BE ALL RIGHT.
12:03:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO MR. GRANDOFF, DID HE MAKE A
12:03:39 REQUEST FOR THE 10:30 HEARING THAT WANTED A CONTINUANCE?
12:03:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
12:03:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T SEE --
12:03:52 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: MR. SHELBY?
12:03:54 I WAS DELAYED DOWNSTAIRS.
12:03:58 I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL
12:04:00 MEMBERS.
12:04:01 THERE'S A MATTER SET FOR HEARING AT 10:30.
12:04:06 I PLAN TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT.
12:04:09 THE PETITIONER IS ALSO IN AGREEMENT TO A CONTINUANCE.
12:04:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHICH ITEM?
12:04:14 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: ITEM 98.
12:04:15 >> THAT'S A REVIEW HEARING.
12:04:27 MOTION TO OPEN PLEASE.
12:04:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION MADE.
12:04:31 AND SECONDED.
12:04:31 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I'M REPRESENTING THOMAS BUCKINGHAM WHO IS

12:04:36 A PROPERTY OWNER WHO WAS GRANTED A VARIANCE.
12:04:38 MR. FAIR HAS FILED A REQUEST FOR THE APPEAL HEARING.
12:04:41 MY CLIENT IS OUT OF TOWN TODAY.
12:04:42 MR. FAIR IS OUT OF TOWN IN AUGUST.
12:04:44 WE BOTH AGREED TO SEPTEMBER 16 DATE, IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S
12:04:51 PREROGATIVE.
12:04:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS MR. FAIR THERE?
12:04:56 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: HE IS NOT HERE BUT HE HAS AUTHORIZED ME TO
12:05:00 ASK A CONTINUANCE.
12:05:02 I TOLD HIM WE WOULD NOT DISCUSS THE MERITS.
12:05:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THE 16th OF SEPTEMBER OPEN?
12:05:08 THERE IS NO MEETING ON THE 16th OF SEPTEMBER.
12:05:10 THAT WAS ACTUALLY MOVED TO THE 30th BECAUSE OF YOM
12:05:13 KIPPUR.
12:05:14 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: WHENEVER THE COUNCIL PREFERS.
12:05:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE 98 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 10:30 IN THE
12:05:24 MORNING.
12:05:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
12:05:29 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:05:30 ANY OPPOSED?
12:05:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:05:33 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURTESY, MR. CHAIRMAN
12:05:35 AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
12:05:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
12:05:37 WE WILL BE BACK AT 1:30.

12:05:41 (CITY COUNCIL IN RECESS).
13:35:22 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
13:35:24 [ROLL CALL]
13:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NORMALLY WE WOULD TRY TO GET THROUGH THE
13:36:27 1:30 WITH STAFF WHEN I LOOK AT THE REST OF THE AGENDA, FROM
13:36:31 THIS MORNING, MOST OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION LAND USE, TEN
13:36:40 MINUTES OR SO.
13:36:41 I DON'T SEE A LOT.
13:36:42 WE'LL GET TO HAVE THAT AND WE'LL GET TO STAFF REPORTS.
13:36:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A
13:36:50 10:30 REVIEW HEARING.
13:36:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER 78.
13:37:03 WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR 78, IS THAT CORRECT?
13:37:15 STAFF FOR 78?
13:37:16 >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION
13:37:26 STAFF, TA/CPA 20-41, A SECOND READING FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT
13:37:32 TO RECOGNIZE ROME AND SLIGH PARK.
13:37:37 THIS WAS HEARD AT THE JUNE 24th CITY COUNCIL HEARING AND
13:37:41 IT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR ADOPTION.
13:37:43 THIS CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
13:37:45 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:37:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
13:37:50 MOVE TO CLOSE?
13:37:54 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
13:37:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE

13:37:57 SECOND FLOOR.
13:37:58 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
13:38:01 ALL RIGHT.
13:38:01 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
13:38:04 >> SECOND.
13:38:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA SECONDED
13:38:08 IT.
13:38:09 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:38:10 ANY OPPOSED?
13:38:11 MOTION CARRIED.
13:38:12 MR. CARLSON, WOULD YOU READ NUMBER 78, SIR?
13:38:15 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
13:38:21 FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 20-41, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
13:38:29 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE
13:38:32 IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEWT LAND USE ELEMENT
13:38:36 FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT 6800
13:38:40 NORTH ROME AVENUE OTHERWISE KNOWN AS ROME AND SLIGH PARK
13:38:43 FROM RESIDENTIAL 20 AND RECREATION A OPEN SPACE PROVIDING
13:38:49 FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN
13:38:53 EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:38:53 >> SECOND.
13:38:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:38:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:38:57 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:38:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

13:39:00 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:39:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:39:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:39:03 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:39:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 79.
13:39:06 >>DANNY COLLINS: PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, ITEM NUMBER 79,
13:39:12 TA/CPA 21-02 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5709 NORTH 47th
13:39:17 STREET AND 4705 EAST HENRY AVENUE.
13:39:19 THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE WHEREVER
13:39:22 RESIDENTIAL 10 TO FUTURE 35.
13:39:25 YOU SAW THIS ON JUNE 24th.
13:39:27 THIS IS THE SECOND READING AND IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR
13:39:29 ADOPTION.
13:39:30 THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
13:39:32 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:39:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
13:39:34 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
13:39:39 ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC REGISTERED?
13:39:42 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
13:39:44 >> MOTION TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA.
13:39:47 SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
13:39:48 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:39:49 ANY OPPOSED?
13:39:50 MR. CITRO, ITEM 79, SIR.
13:39:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE TA CPA 21-02, ORDINANCE BEING

13:39:59 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
13:40:02 AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE
13:40:06 LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY
13:40:09 LOCATED AT 5709 NORTH 47th STREET AND 4705 EAST HENRY
13:40:16 AVENUE FROM RESIDENTIAL 10 TO RESIDENTIAL 35 PROVIDING FOR
13:40:23 REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR
13:40:26 SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:40:29 >> SECOND.
13:40:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
13:40:32 ROLL CALL.
13:40:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:40:35 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:40:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
13:40:38 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:40:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:40:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:40:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:40:42 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:40:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 80.
13:40:46 >>DANNY COLLINS: PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
13:40:49 ITEM 80 IS TA CPA 21-037 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 809 WEST
13:40:58 LINEBAUGH AVENUE FROM RESIDENTIAL 10 AND RESIDENTIAL 20 TO
13:41:01 RESIDENTIAL 20.
13:41:02 YOU SAW THIS AMENDMENT ON JUNE 24th AND IT IS BACK
13:41:05 BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR ADOPTION.

13:41:06 THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
13:41:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
13:41:13 MS. ROSARIO?
13:41:15 ANYONE REGISTERED?
13:41:16 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
13:41:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE BY MIRANDA, SECOND BY
13:41:21 MANISCALCO.
13:41:21 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:41:22 ANY OPPOSED?
13:41:23 MR. DINGFELDER.
13:41:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE, TA CPA
13:41:31 21-03, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
13:41:35 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
13:41:39 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE
13:41:42 MAP, FOR THE PARROT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 809 WEST LINEBAUGH
13:41:46 AVENUE FROM RESIDENTIAL 10 R-10 AND RESIDENTIAL 20 R-20 TO
13:41:50 RESIDENTIAL 20 R-20 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES
13:41:54 IN CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN
13:41:55 EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:41:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
13:41:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
13:41:59 ROLL CALL VOTE.
13:42:00 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:42:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
13:42:03 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

13:42:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:42:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:42:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:42:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:42:08 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:42:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 81.
13:42:12 >>DANNY COLLINS: PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
13:42:16 ITEM NUMBER 81 IS TA/CPA 21-05 FOR MULTIPLE PROPERTY
13:42:22 GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND SOUTHEAST
13:42:25 OF YBOR.
13:42:26 THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS TO
13:42:30 CMU-35 AND RMU 100.
13:42:34 YOU SAW THIS AMENDMENT ON JUNE 24th.
13:42:36 IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR ADOPTION.
13:42:38 THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
13:42:40 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:42:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
13:42:43 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THIS ITEM?
13:42:47 DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED?
13:42:49 >> NO ONE REGISTERED.
13:42:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE BY MIRANDA, SECOND BY
13:42:53 MANISCALCO.
13:42:53 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:42:55 ANY OPPOSED?
13:42:56 MR. MIRANDA, ITEM 81, SIR.

13:42:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE TA CPA 21-05.
13:43:05 MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
13:43:08 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
13:43:11 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND USE
13:43:14 MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1405 AND 1417 EAST 2nd
13:43:18 AVENUE, 1202 NORTH 15th STREET AND 802 NORTH 12th
13:43:23 STREET, FROM LATE INDUSTRIAL LI AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL HI TO
13:43:28 REGIONAL MIXED USE 100 RMU 100 AND 1302 AND 1402 NORTH
13:43:34 15th STREET FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LI TO COMMUNITY MIXED
13:43:38 USE 35, CMU-35, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
13:43:42 CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
13:43:44 DATE.
13:43:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
13:43:49 ROLL CALL.
13:43:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
13:43:51 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:43:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:43:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:43:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:43:55 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:43:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:43:57 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:43:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 82.
13:44:00 MR. COLLINS.
13:44:00 >>DANNY COLLINS: PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

13:44:03 THIS IS ITEM 82.
13:44:04 IT'S TA CPA 21-09, PLAN AMENDMENT TO RECOGNIZE RECREATION
13:44:10 OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION.
13:44:12 YOU HEARD THIS ITEM ON JUNE 25th AND IS BACK BEFORE YOU
13:44:16 TODAY FOR ADOPTION.
13:44:16 THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
13:44:18 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:44:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
13:44:21 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THIS ITEM?
13:44:22 DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED?
13:44:24 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
13:44:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY
13:44:29 MANISCALCO.
13:44:29 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:44:30 ANY OPPOSED?
13:44:31 MR. VIERA.
13:44:32 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
13:44:35 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
13:44:38 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
13:44:41 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND USE
13:44:44 MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 10105 NORTH BOULEVARD,
13:44:50 OTHERWISE KNOWN AS DANIEL DEL RIO POOL FROM RESIDENTIAL 10
13:44:54 R-10 AND RESIDENTIAL 20 R-20 TO RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE
13:44:58 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT PROVIDING
13:45:01 FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

13:45:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
13:45:04 ROLL CALL.
13:45:04 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:45:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: (NO RESPONSE)
13:45:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:45:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:45:09 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:45:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
13:45:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:45:12 >>THE CLERK: MOTION UNANIMOUSLY WITH CITRO BEING ABSENT AT
13:45:16 VOTE.
13:45:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 83.
13:45:20 >> ROB WIGGINTON LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
13:45:26 WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE SECOND READING FOR ITEM 83 BE
13:45:29 CONTINUED UNTIL CITY COUNCIL'S REGULAR AGENDA ON AUGUST
13:45:32 26th TO ALLOW TIME FOR NOTICE TO ANY POTENTIALLY
13:45:37 IMPACTED PROPERTY OWNERS.
13:45:39 ALTHOUGH THIS TYPE OF NOTICE IS NOT GENERALLY REQUIRED WHEN
13:45:42 CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR, WE ARE TAKING AN EXTRA STEP
13:45:46 HERE OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.
13:45:48 THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
13:45:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, DIDN'T WE OPEN UP EARLIER ALL
13:45:54 THE QUASI-AS WELL?
13:45:58 OKAY.
13:45:59 MR. DINGFELDER?

13:46:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO CONTINUE 83 TO 8-26 REGULAR
13:46:02 AGENDA.
13:46:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
13:46:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 9:30.
13:46:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
13:46:08 AUGUST 26th?
13:46:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WAS THE REQUEST, 8-26 AT 9:30 A.M.
13:46:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
13:46:17 >> SECOND.
13:46:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY MR.
13:46:22 MIRANDA.
13:46:23 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:46:24 ANY OPPOSED?
13:46:26 MOTION CARRIED.
13:46:28 ITEM 84.
13:46:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER, THESE ARE ALL
13:46:33 QUASI-JUDICIAL.
13:46:34 THEY ARE SECOND READS.
13:46:36 THEY DO REQUIRE THE WITNESSES TO BE SWORN, AND ALSO I AM
13:46:40 AWARE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR RELATIVE TO
13:46:43 THE QUASI-JUDICIAL --
13:46:44 ALL THESE ITEMS?
13:46:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S ALL OF THEM BUT
13:46:48 I BELIEVE YOU PROBABLY WANT AN AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT FROM
13:46:51 SOMEBODY THAT THERE IS NOBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE I

13:46:53 AM AWARE, I TRAVELED DOWN TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND THERE ARE
13:46:56 PEOPLE THERE.
13:46:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 83 TO 97.
13:47:11 >> YES, THERE'S SOMEONE HERE FOR 84.
13:47:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT THE ONLY PERSON, FOR 84?
13:47:28 ALL RIGHT.
13:47:28 84.
13:47:29 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
13:47:35 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
13:47:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE HEARD WITH REGARD
13:47:45 TO THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?
13:47:48 I REQUIRE OF COUNCIL WHETHER THEY HAVE READ OR RECEIVED OR
13:47:57 RECEIVED AND READ ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WHICH CAME IN
13:47:59 AFTER THE DEADLINE OF YESTERDAY MORNING OR IF THEY HAVE ANY
13:48:05 OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY NEED TO DISCLOSE
13:48:08 RELATIVE TO THIS CASE.
13:48:09 THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO THAT, PLEASE.
13:48:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE, GENTLEMEN?
13:48:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I SEE NO RESPONSE.
13:48:16 THANK YOU.
13:48:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU MAY CONTINUE.
13:48:18 YOU HAVE SWORN IN EVERYBODY?
13:48:20 OKAY.
13:48:20 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
13:48:24 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 84.

13:48:26 THIS CASE REZ 20-103 IS A SECOND READING, FOR 5-4-26 BAY
13:48:34 CENTER DRIVE.
13:48:35 PROPOSED REZONING FROM PD TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OFFICE
13:48:40 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL HOTEL RESIDENTIAL AND
13:48:44 MULTIFAMILY.
13:48:48 CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE CITY CLERK
13:48:50 AND ALSO HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
13:48:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
13:48:55 ALL RIGHT.
13:48:56 THE APPLICANT?
13:49:02 >>DAVID MECHANIK: CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME?
13:49:04 HELLO. MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK.
13:49:07 MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
13:49:08 GOOD AFTERNOON.
13:49:10 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CRESCENT COMMUNITIES.
13:49:15 WITH ME TODAY IS TIM GRAFF WITH CRESCENT.
13:49:20 DAN OF HIGHWOODS PROPERTY.
13:49:23 AND RANDY COEN OF COEN AND COMPANY.
13:49:27 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM TO BRING TO YOUR
13:49:34 ATTENTION.
13:49:42 REGARDING A CONCERN ABOUT ONE SCENARIO ALLOWING FOR 546
13:49:47 UNITS VERSUS THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, WE HAVE ADDED A NOTE TO
13:49:55 THE SITE PLAN WHICH WAS SIGNED OFF BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT,
13:50:02 AND THE ZONING STAFF, WHICH WOULD LIMIT OF NUMBER OF UNITS
13:50:09 UNDER EITHER DEVELOPMENT OPTION TO A TOTAL OF 293 UNITS SO

13:50:17 WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE A SPLIT SCENARIO WHERE A LARGER
13:50:21 PROJECT WOULD BE BUILT UNDER ONE SCENARIO AND NOT IN
13:50:25 ANOTHER.
13:50:25 SO IN EITHER SCENARIO,
13:50:35 THE MULTI-DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO -- [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
13:50:43 COUNCIL HAS HEARD THIS CASE SEVERAL TIMES.
13:50:44 WE DO NOT PLAN ON MAKING ANOTHER PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT WE
13:50:48 WOULD RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE ANY REBUTTAL COMMENT AFTER
13:50:55 COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
13:50:58 BUT WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY
13:51:01 HAVE.
13:51:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
13:51:03 MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
13:51:05 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. MECHANIK, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, THE
13:51:09 THING YOU JUST MENTIONED.
13:51:10 AS I REMEMBER, YOU ARE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, LEGAL LAST
13:51:13 TIME SAID TYPICALLY DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO
13:51:15 EITHER ONE.
13:51:16 AND SO IF WE APPROVE THE PROPOSAL TODAY, YOU STILL COULD GO
13:51:22 BACK AND DO THE OTHER ONE.
13:51:23 SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, IS YOU
13:51:26 ALL WOULD VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP THAT RIGHT THAT YOU WOULD
13:51:29 OTHERWISE HAVE TO SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT YOU ARE LISTENING TO
13:51:35 THEM AND TRYING TO HELP.
13:51:38 >>DAVID MECHANIK: EXACTLY.

13:51:39 WE HAVE MADE THAT COMMITMENT, AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THE SITE
13:51:42 PLAN.
13:51:43 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
13:51:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
13:51:46 ALL RIGHT.
13:51:47 WE WILL HEAR FROM ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
13:51:56 STATE YOUR NAME.
13:51:56 >> TOM McCANN.
13:51:59 I LIVE AT 5125 WEST NEPTUNE WAY.
13:52:03 I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT.
13:52:10 >> SORRY.
13:52:23 GOOD AFTERNOON.
13:52:24 MY NAME IS TOM McCANN, I LIVE AT 5125 WEST NEPTUNE WAY.
13:52:30 I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BEACH PARK HOMEOWNERS
13:52:33 ASSOCIATION.
13:52:34 A SHOUTOUT TO MR. MECHANIK AND DEVELOPERS FOR LOWERING THE
13:52:38 DENSITY TO 292, 293.
13:52:41 THAT MEANS A LOT TO US.
13:52:46 OUR BOARD VOTED TO 1,286 RESIDENTS OF BEACH PARK, WHICH IS A
13:52:55 SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, A STATEMENT THAT SAID, WE
13:52:59 DO NOT THINK OFFICE BUILDINGS SHOULD NOW BECOME DENSE
13:53:03 APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
13:53:04 WE HAVE APPEARED AT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING TO SHOW OPPOSITION
13:53:08 TO HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
13:53:11 THE FIRST POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT THE APPLICANT

13:53:15 PLANNED TO PUT IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
13:53:17 HOWEVER THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR APPROVAL BEFORE YOU TODAY
13:53:19 INCLUDES MULTIPLE OPTIONS, INCLUDING TWO OPTIONS TO
13:53:23 CONSTRUCT HOTELS.
13:53:26 AFFIRM YOU GO THIS PLAN MEANS THAT COUNCIL AGREES TO THESE
13:53:30 USES.
13:53:30 WE DID NOT HEAR COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO OPTIONS,
13:53:35 MUCH LESS TWO OPTIONS FOR HOTELS BUT ONLY APARTMENTS.
13:53:41 THE NEXT POINT IS, AT THE FIRST READING MR. MECHANIK
13:53:45 TESTIFIED THAT CRESCENT PROPERTIES IS PURCHASING THE
13:53:49 PROPERTY FROM HIGHWOODS.
13:53:51 HOW IS DENSITY BASED ON THE TOTAL HIGHWOOD PROJECT OF 6.26
13:53:58 ACRES?
13:54:00 IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT AMOUNT OF LAND IS BEING SOLD TO CRESCENT.
13:54:03 WHAT EXACT ACREAGE FOR GREEN SPACES BEING SOLD TO CRESCENT?
13:54:10 HOW IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION KEEPING THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN
13:54:12 THE FUTURE LAND USE AT 100 DWELLINGS PER ACRE BASED ON THE
13:54:17 CURRENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IT APPEARS THAT THE
13:54:19 PARTS BEING SOLD WILL SURPASS 100 DWELLINGS PER ACRE.
13:54:25 THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITHIN BEACH PARK AND ACROSS THE CITY
13:54:28 OF TAMPA.
13:54:30 THE LAST POINT THAT OUR BOARD IS CONSIDERING IS THE HEIGHT
13:54:37 OF A NINE-STORY BUILDING.
13:54:40 WITH THE PROPOSED NINE STORY BUILDING THAT DWARF OUR
13:54:43 EXISTING STRUCTURES DOES NOT MEET THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF

13:54:46 BEACH PARK BUT ALSO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ITS INTERACTION
13:54:49 WITH TAMPA INTERNATIONAL, TIA.
13:54:55 THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE.
13:54:58 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR CONSIDERING
13:55:01 THESE ADDITIONAL POINTS CONCERNING THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND
13:55:04 ONCE AGAIN THANKS TO THE DEVELOPER TO DECREASE THE DENSITY
13:55:08 TO 292.
13:55:09 THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
13:55:10 THANK YOU.
13:55:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
13:55:13 ANYONE ELSE?
13:55:19 ANYONE ELSE REGISTERED?
13:55:20 >>THE CLERK: THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
13:55:30 >>DAVID MECHANIK: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL JUST BRIEFLY RESPOND.
13:55:36 MR. McCANN IS QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS
13:55:43 COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE REGARDING THE OTHER
13:55:46 DEVELOPMENT OPTION, AND I BELIEVE CATE WELLS TOLD YOU AT OUR
13:55:52 LAST HEARING THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
13:55:56 EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ALL OF THE SCENARIOS APPROVED IN 2018
13:56:03 THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY FOR US TO REESTABLISH THAT
13:56:08 JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS APPLICATION TODAY.
13:56:16 I AM NOT QUITE SURE WHAT POINT MR. McCANN WAS SAYING ABOUT
13:56:20 THE PROPERTY BEING SOLD, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
13:56:25 WHETHER IT'S SOLD FOR ONE PERSON OR TWO OR THREE, ANY
13:56:31 PURCHASER OF THIS LAND IS BOUND BY THE CONDITION OF THE

13:56:35 REZONING APPROVAL.
13:56:38 NOTHING IN ANY WAY WEAKENS OR DIMINISHES OR ELIMINATES ANY
13:56:45 ZONING CONDITION THAT'S PART OF THIS APPROVAL.
13:56:49 SO THE SALE OF PROPERTY HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT COUNCIL WOULD
13:56:54 BE ADOPTING IN THE WAY OF AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
13:57:00 FINALLY, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT HEIGHT.
13:57:05 YOUR STAFF REPORT INDICATES THAT THE PROJECT IS COMPATIBLE
13:57:10 WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, NOTING IN PARTICULAR THAT THERE
13:57:15 ARE TWO EIGHT-STORY CONDO TOWERS ESSENTIALLY ADJACENT TO
13:57:19 THIS PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
13:57:24 THERE IS NO ISSUE REGARDING TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
13:57:29 REGARDLESS OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVES, WE CANNOT BUILD
13:57:34 ANY HIGHER HEIGHT THAN WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY THE FAA OR
13:57:39 TAMPA INTERNATIONAL, THAT WOULD ENABLE THE REVIEW PROCESS
13:57:48 AND MAKE THEIR OWN DETERMINATION.
13:57:49 THERE IS NO CONCERN REGARDING TIA HATE LIMIT.
13:57:55 AND WITH THAT WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
13:57:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
13:58:01 ANY QUESTIONS?
13:58:04 MOVE TO CLOSE?
13:58:07 MANISCALCO MOVES, MIRANDA SECOND.
13:58:09 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:58:10 ANY OPPOSED?
13:58:11 MOTION CARRIED.
13:58:11 WE LEFT OFF WITH MR. VIERA.

13:58:22 ITEM 84, SIR.
13:58:24 THANK YOU.
13:58:30 YOUR TURN, SIR.
13:58:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:58:32 I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
13:58:35 ADOPTION, ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
13:58:37 VICINITY OF 5426 BAY CENTER DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
13:58:40 FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
13:58:42 ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OFFICE
13:58:45 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL HOTEL RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
13:58:47 TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OFFICE BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
13:58:50 MEDICAL HOTEL RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
13:58:52 DATE.
13:58:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
13:58:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
13:58:57 ROLL CALL.
13:58:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:59:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:59:02 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:59:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
13:59:04 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:59:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:59:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:59:08 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:59:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM 85.

13:59:20 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
13:59:23 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 85 IS FOR CASE NUMBER REZ 21-06.
13:59:29 THIS ALSO IS A SECOND READING FOR THE ADDRESS OF 6008 NORTH
13:59:34 ARMENIA AVENUE, PROPOSED REZONING FROM CI COMMERCIAL
13:59:38 INTENSIVE TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WAREHOUSE.
13:59:42 SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE CITY CLERK.
13:59:44 AND I AM ALSO HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEED BE.
13:59:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?
13:59:50 ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?
13:59:52 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THIS ITEM?
13:59:58 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
13:59:59 >> GERALD McCANTS, I'M THE AGENT.
14:00:07 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
14:00:10 GERALD McCANTS, THE AGENT FOR THE OWNER.
14:00:12 AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE CITY MODIFICATIONS.
14:00:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
14:00:18 ANY QUESTIONS?
14:00:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:00:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
14:00:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANYBODY ELSE?
14:00:25 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE REGISTERED.
14:00:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, CITRO SECOND IT.
14:00:33 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:00:34 OPPOSED?
14:00:35 MR. CARLSON, WOULD YOU READ 85, SIR.

14:00:37 >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE FILE REZ 21-06, ORDINANCE BEING
14:00:41 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
14:00:43 REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 6008 NORTH
14:00:46 ARMENIA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
14:00:49 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
14:00:51 CLASSIFICATION CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO PD PLANNED
14:00:54 DEVELOPMENT, WAREHOUSE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:00:55 >> SECOND.
14:00:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO SECOND IT.
14:01:00 ROLL CALL.
14:01:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:01:02 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:01:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:01:04 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:01:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:01:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:01:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:01:08 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:01:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
14:01:11 ITEM 86.
14:01:12 STAFF.
14:01:13 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, GOING OVER AGENDA
14:01:18 ITEM NUMBER 86.
14:01:20 CASE NUMBER REZ-20-102.
14:01:24 THIS IS ALSO FOR SECOND READING.

14:01:25 THE ADDRESS IS 3604 WEST IOWA AVENUE.
14:01:29 IT'S A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 TO RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
14:01:33 SINGLE-FAMILY.
14:01:35 NO SITE PLANS WERE PROVIDED ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S EUCLIDEAN.
14:01:39 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEED BE.
14:01:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:01:42 ANY QUESTIONS?
14:01:44 ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
14:01:49 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO BE SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:01:52 >> NO ONE REGISTERED.
14:01:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: APPLICANT?
14:01:55 ALL RIGHT.
14:01:59 WERE YOU SWORN IN?
14:02:00 >> YES, I HAVE.
14:02:01 MY NAME IS BLAKE FRAZIER, I AM THE APPLICANT.
14:02:03 THIS WAS A EUCLIDEAN REZONE SO THERE WERE NO MODIFICATIONS.
14:02:07 BUT I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT
14:02:09 HAVE.
14:02:10 >>LUIS VIERA:
14:02:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
14:02:15 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:02:21 ANYBODY REGISTERED?
14:02:23 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:02:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MIRANDA MOVED SECONDED.
14:02:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND

14:02:39 READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
14:02:43 GENERAL VICINITY OF 3604 WEST IOWA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF
14:02:47 TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
14:02:49 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL
14:02:53 SINGLE-FAMILY TO RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, PROVIDING
14:02:57 AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:02:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
14:03:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.
14:03:04 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:03:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:03:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:03:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:03:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
14:03:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:03:12 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
14:03:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 87.
14:03:17 STAFF.
14:03:18 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
14:03:23 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 87, CASE REZ 21-22.
14:03:29 FOR SECOND READING.
14:03:30 THE PROPERTY IS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 804 WEST PARK
14:03:34 AVENUE.
14:03:36 THERE'S A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 TO PD PLANNED
14:03:39 DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
14:03:42 THE SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE CITY CLERK AND I'M

14:03:45 AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT NEED BE.
14:03:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:03:49 ANY QUESTIONS?
14:03:49 >>STEVE MICHELINI: REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER.
14:03:56 WE HAVE SUPPLIED ALL OF THE CORRECTIONS AS REQUESTED BY THE
14:04:00 CITY STAFF, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
14:04:03 HAVE.
14:04:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
14:04:07 ANY QUESTIONS?
14:04:08 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS
14:04:11 ITEM?
14:04:14 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:04:16 ANYBODY REGISTERED?
14:04:17 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:04:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:04:21 >> SECOND.
14:04:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION CARRIED.
14:04:24 MR. CITRO.
14:04:27 87.
14:04:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE NUMBER --
14:04:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER.
14:04:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FILE REZ 21-22, I WILL MOVE THE
14:04:44 FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
14:04:47 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 804
14:04:50 WEST PARK AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

14:04:52 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
14:04:54 CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED
14:04:58 DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, PROVIDING
14:05:00 AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:05:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
14:05:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.
14:05:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:05:06 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:05:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:05:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:05:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:05:10 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:05:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:05:13 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:05:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 88.
14:05:17 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
14:05:19 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 88 IS CASE NUMBER REZ 21-26.
14:05:24 THIS IS FOR SECOND READING FOR PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
14:05:26 VICINITY OF 5001 WEST PRESCOTT STREET.
14:05:31 IT IS A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16 TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL
14:05:35 MULTIFAMILY.
14:05:37 THIS IS EUCLIDEAN.
14:05:38 NO SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED.
14:05:39 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:05:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

14:05:45 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
14:05:47 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
14:05:48 STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER.
14:05:50 WE MET ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THE STAFF ESTABLISHED AND WE
14:05:53 ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL.
14:05:55 I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
14:05:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
14:06:00 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:06:04 ANYONE REGISTERED?
14:06:05 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:06:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:06:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED TO CLOSE.
14:06:11 SECOND?
14:06:14 SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
14:06:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:06:17 ANYONE OPPOSED?
14:06:18 MOTION CARRIED.
14:06:18 MR. MIRANDA, NUMBER 88.
14:06:21 >> MOVE FILE REZ 21-26, THAN PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
14:06:27 AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
14:06:30 VICINITY OF IT 5001 WEST PRESCOTT STREET IN THE CITY OF
14:06:35 TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
14:06:37 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL
14:06:39 MULTIFAMILY TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN
14:06:42 EFFECTIVE DATE.

14:06:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
14:06:44 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:06:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:06:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:06:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:06:49 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:06:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:06:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
14:06:52 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH GUDES VOTING NO.
14:06:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 89, STAFF.
14:06:59 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
14:07:02 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 89, CASE NUMBER REZ 21-33.
14:07:07 THIS IS FOR SECOND READING.
14:07:09 PROPERTY IS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 106 WEST HAMILTON
14:07:12 AVENUE.
14:07:13 THERE'S A PROPOSED REZONING FROM SH-RS AND SH-CG AND SH-PD
14:07:22 TO SH-PD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE OF
14:07:25 RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
14:07:27 SITE PLANS WERE DELIVERED TO CITY CLERK AND I'M AVAILABLE
14:07:30 FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:07:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:07:34 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:07:39 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:07:41 >> NO ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
14:07:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

14:07:46 MOVE TO CLOSE?
14:07:49 MR. MANISCALCO MOVED, MR. MIRANDA SECONDS.
14:07:51 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:07:52 ANY OPPOSED?
14:07:53 ALL RIGHT.
14:07:54 MOTION CARRIED.
14:07:56 MR. VIERA.
14:07:58 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THIS IS, WHAT, 89?
14:08:01 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
14:08:03 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
14:08:06 VICINITY OF 106 WEST HAMILTON AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
14:08:10 FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
14:08:12 ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION SH-RS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
14:08:15 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY SH-CG SEMINOLE HEIGHTS COMMERCIAL
14:08:18 GENERAL AND SH-PD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO
14:08:22 SH-PD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE OF
14:08:26 RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:08:27 >> SECOND.
14:08:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
14:08:29 ROLL CALL.
14:08:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:08:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:08:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:08:34 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:08:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

14:08:37 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:08:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:08:39 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:08:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 90.
14:08:48 STAFF.
14:08:48 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
14:08:50 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 90, CASE REZ 21-36, WE HAVE A SECOND
14:08:56 READING FOR PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2311 NORTH
14:08:59 RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
14:09:02 PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 TO RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
14:09:06 SINGLE-FAMILY.
14:09:08 THIS IS EUCLIDEAN.
14:09:09 NO SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED.
14:09:12 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:09:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
14:09:15 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:09:20 DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:09:23 DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
14:09:24 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:09:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY
14:09:29 MR. MANISCALCO.
14:09:30 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:09:31 ANY OPPOSED?
14:09:33 ALL RIGHT.
14:09:33 MR. MANISCALCO.

14:09:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 90.
14:09:36 AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
14:09:39 2311 NORTH RIVERSIDE DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND
14:09:42 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
14:09:44 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 630 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO
14:09:47 RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:09:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
14:09:52 SECOND?
14:09:54 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
14:09:55 ROLL CALL.
14:09:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:09:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ITEM 91?
14:10:03 >> 90.
14:10:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:10:05 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:10:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:10:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:10:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:10:13 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
14:10:15 ABSENT AT VOTE.
14:10:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 91.
14:10:20 STAFF.
14:10:20 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
14:10:25 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 91, REZ 21-37 IS THE CASE NUMBER.
14:10:31 SECOND READING FOR THE ADDRESS AT 412 WEST PARK AVENUE.

14:10:36 THERE'S A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16 TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL
14:10:40 MULTIFAMILY.
14:10:42 THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED.
14:10:45 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:10:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
14:10:48 ALL RIGHT.
14:10:48 >> THIS IS JOHN LAROCCA.
14:10:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WERE YOU SWORN IN?
14:10:59 >> YES, I AM.
14:11:01 THANK YOU.
14:11:01 JOHN LAROCCA REPRESENTING OWNER APPLICANT.
14:11:04 THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN DISTRICT.
14:11:06 NO WAIVERS NEEDED.
14:11:08 AND THE SITE SIZE IS SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED
14:11:12 ADDITIONAL UNIT.
14:11:13 WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT AND APPROVAL FOR SECOND
14:11:17 READING.
14:11:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
14:11:20 ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:11:24 DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
14:11:26 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:11:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:11:29 >> IS THIS GENTLEMEN SPEAKING IN THE BACK OF YOU?
14:11:32 >> NO, ONLY IF THERE WERE QUESTIONS ASKED.
14:11:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.

14:11:35 MR. MIRANDA MOVED IT.
14:11:37 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT.
14:11:38 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:11:40 ANY OPPOSED?
14:11:41 MOTION CARRIED.
14:11:42 MR. CARLSON, 91.
14:11:45 >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE REZ 21-37, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
14:11:50 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
14:11:53 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 412 WEST PARK AVENUE IN
14:11:55 THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
14:11:57 IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16
14:12:01 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
14:12:04 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:12:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
14:12:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
14:12:09 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
14:12:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
14:12:13 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:12:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:12:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:12:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:12:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
14:12:23 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER AND GUDES
14:12:26 VOTING NO AND VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
14:12:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MORE SO WE

14:12:35 SHOULD GET TO STAFF REPORTS SHORTLY.
14:12:37 ITEM 92.
14:12:38 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
14:12:40 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 92, CASE NUMBER REZ 21-39.
14:12:46 THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 201, 205 AND 207
14:12:51 SOUTH ARMENIA AVENUE AND 2506 WEST CLEVELAND STREET IN THE
14:12:56 CITY -- A PROPOSED REZONING FROM PD TO PD, PLANNED
14:13:00 DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
14:13:04 THE SITE PLANS WERE TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK.
14:13:06 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:13:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:13:11 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT ON THE SCREEN?
14:13:18 >>DAVID MECHANIK: DAVID MECHANIK HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
14:13:19 APPLICANT.
14:13:22 I HAVE MR. JACOB EGAN HERE TONIGHT.
14:13:28 OR THIS AFTERNOON.
14:13:30 WE ALSO HAVE OUR WHOLE DEVELOPMENT TEAM ONLINE.
14:13:33 AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
14:13:38 WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO PRESENT THIS AFTERNOON.
14:13:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:13:42 ANY QUESTIONS?
14:13:43 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:13:50 ANYBODY REGISTERED ON THIS ITEM?
14:13:52 >> NO ONE HAS REGISTERED.
14:13:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CLOSE.

14:13:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
14:13:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?
14:14:00 ANY OPPOSED?
14:14:01 ALL RIGHT.
14:14:01 MR. CITRO.
14:14:04 NUMBER 92.
14:14:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: REZ 21-39 AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND
14:14:14 READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
14:14:17 GENERAL VICINITY OF 201, 205 AND 207 SOUTH ARMENIA AVENUE
14:14:24 AND 2506 WEST CLEVELAND STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
14:14:27 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
14:14:30 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
14:14:33 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
14:14:36 RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
14:14:40 DATE.
14:14:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
14:14:44 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:14:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:14:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:14:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:14:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:14:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:14:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:14:53 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:14:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 93, STAFF.

14:15:00 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ITEM NUMBER 93, CASE REZ 21-40.
14:15:06 THIS IS FOR SECOND READING FOR PROPERTY AT 7300 SOUTH SWOOPE
14:15:12 STREET.
14:15:12 THIS PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS 350 TO IG INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
14:15:17 THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN SO NO SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED.
14:15:21 BUT I AM HERE FOR QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:15:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:15:26 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
14:15:31 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR?
14:15:33 >> APPLICANT, REPRESENTATIVE.
14:15:40 I NEED TO SWEAR IN.
14:15:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THEY WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
14:15:47 >>THE CLERK: SORRY.
14:15:47 I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK INTUITIVE TO SWEAR IN TO SAY I
14:15:50 AM HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
14:15:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN, MA'AM?
14:15:57 >>JAIME MAIER: NO, I AM WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.
14:15:59 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
14:16:04 I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
14:16:07 I'M JAIME MAIER FOR THE APPLICANT.
14:16:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
14:16:15 CITRO MOVED TO CLOSE, MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
14:16:19 ALL IN FAVOR.
14:16:19 MOTION CARRIED.
14:16:20 MR. DINGFELDER, ITEM 93, SIR.

14:16:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE
14:16:26 REGARDING REZ 21-40, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
14:16:31 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 7300
14:16:34 SOUTH SWOOPE STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
14:16:38 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
14:16:40 CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO IG
14:16:46 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:16:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
14:16:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:16:51 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:16:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:16:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:16:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:16:55 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:16:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:16:57 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:16:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF, ITEM 94.
14:17:03 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
14:17:05 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 94, CASE SU-2-21-02.
14:17:10 IS A SECOND READING.
14:17:11 APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR A DRIVE-IN WINDOW
14:17:16 AT THE PROPERTY AT 3615 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD.
14:17:20 THE SITE PLAN WAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY CLERK AND I AM HERE
14:17:23 FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:17:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

14:17:26 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
14:17:29 HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN, SIR?
14:17:30 >> YES, I HAVE.
14:17:32 MICHAEL LEADS, SIDEWALK PROPERTIES, BAY CENTER DRIVE.
14:17:36 I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
14:17:39 THANK YOU.
14:17:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:17:41 ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:17:45 ANYBODY REGISTERED?
14:17:46 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:17:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE BY MIRANDA, CITRO SECOND.
14:17:52 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:17:53 ANY OPPOSED?
14:17:54 ALL RIGHT.
14:17:55 MR. MIRANDA.
14:17:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE SU-2-21-02.
14:18:01 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
14:18:03 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 APPROVING A
14:18:07 DRIVE-IN WINDOW IN A CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT
14:18:10 IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3615 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD IN THE
14:18:14 CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
14:18:17 SECTION 1 HEREOF, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:18:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
14:18:21 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:18:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

14:18:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:18:26 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:18:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:18:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:18:29 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:18:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF ON 95.
14:18:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOR ITEM NUMBER 95.
14:18:41 >> I'M PRESENTING VAC 20-17.
14:18:45 IT'S BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
14:18:48 ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING A
14:18:51 PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH OF
14:18:57 KNOLLWOOD, NORTH OF FORD STREET, EAST OF THE DIXON AVENUE
14:19:00 AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE, AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY
14:19:04 QUESTIONS.
14:19:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
14:19:07 ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:19:15 SECOND FLOOR?
14:19:20 ANYBODY REGISTERED?
14:19:22 MR. MIRANDA MAKES THE MOTION TO CLOSE, MR. CITRO SECOND.
14:19:25 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:19:26 ANY OPPOSED?
14:19:28 ALL RIGHT.
14:19:29 MOTION CARRIED.
14:19:29 I BELIEVE WE ARE BACK TO MR. VIERA.
14:19:32 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK 95.

14:19:38 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
14:19:41 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING,
14:19:43 ABANDONING A PORTION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH
14:19:47 OF KNOLLWOOD STREET NORTH OF FORD STREET EAST OF DIXON
14:19:52 STREET AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF AVALON
14:19:55 HEIGHTS, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
14:19:56 COUNTY AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT
14:20:02 TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS,A CONDITIONS AND
14:20:04 RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING
14:20:07 AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:20:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
14:20:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:20:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:20:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:20:15 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
14:20:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:20:18 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:20:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:20:20 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
14:20:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF ON NUMBER 96.
14:20:28 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
14:20:29 ITEM 96 ON THE AGENDA, CASE AB 2-21-12, FOR SECOND READING
14:20:36 FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES
14:20:41 FOR SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
14:20:45 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.

14:20:47 THIS IS FOR BEER AND WINE LOCATED AT 5023 NORTH FLORIDA
14:20:51 AVENUE.
14:20:53 SITE PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY CLERK AND I'M HERE
14:20:56 FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:20:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:21:01 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
14:21:07 WERE YOU SWORN IN?
14:21:08 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
14:21:12 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
14:21:14 >> YES.
14:21:26 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
14:21:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME FOR US.
14:21:37 >> KENDRA CONNOLLY.
14:21:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
14:21:38 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
14:21:41 IS ANYONE ELSE REGISTERED BACK THERE?
14:21:44 >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
14:21:45 >> THIS IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER.
14:21:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DOES SHE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM,
14:21:54 MA'AM?
14:21:54 >> I DON'T SEE HER VIDEO POPPING UP.
14:21:56 I THINK I HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS SHE DOES.
14:22:00 I DON'T SEE HER POPPING UP.
14:22:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE BY MIRANDA, SECOND BY
14:22:09 MANISCALCO.

14:22:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:22:11 ANY OPPOSED?
14:22:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THIS IS THE ONE WHERE SHE THREW
14:22:15 HER HUSBAND OUT OF THE SCREEN.
14:22:17 NOW SHE'S JUST SHOWING UP.
14:22:18 >> OH, YOU ARE RIGHT.
14:22:20 [ LAUGHTER ]
14:22:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SEE HIM PEEKING THERE.
14:22:24 THERE HE IS.
14:22:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
14:22:29 MR. MANISCALCO, CAN YOU READ THIS?
14:22:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AN ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND
14:22:33 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2
14:22:36 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
14:22:39 PREMISES IN PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND
14:22:42 MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FROM THAT CERTAIN
14:22:45 LOT, PLOT, TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 5023 NORTH FLORIDA
14:22:49 AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
14:22:52 SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
14:22:54 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
14:22:57 DATE.
14:22:57 >> SECOND.
14:23:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MIRANDA.
14:23:01 ROLL CALL VOTE.
14:23:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

14:23:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:23:04 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:23:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:23:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:23:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
14:23:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:23:14 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
14:23:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF ON 97.
14:23:22 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 97.
14:23:25 CASE AB 2-21-09.
14:23:28 IT'S FOR SECOND READING FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
14:23:32 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
14:23:36 PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
14:23:39 IT'S FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AND THE LOCATION IS 3225
14:23:44 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE UNIT 103, AND 105.
14:23:49 THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY CLERK AND I AM
14:23:51 HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
14:23:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
14:23:55 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT TO BE SPEAK ON IT?
14:23:57 >>JAIME MAIER: 101 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD HERE IF THERE ARE
14:24:02 ANY QUESTIONS.
14:24:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I BELIEVE YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN ALREADY.
14:24:05 >>JAIME MAIER: YES.
14:24:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?
14:24:09 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

14:24:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO CLOSE.
14:24:13 >>THE CLERK: ANYBODY REGISTERED?
14:24:16 NO ONE REGISTERED.
14:24:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE.
14:24:23 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:24:25 ANY OPPOSED?
14:24:26 MR. CARLSON.
14:24:26 >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE FILE 97, RIGHT?
14:24:32 FILE NUMBER AB 2-21-09.
14:24:35 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
14:24:37 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR
14:24:41 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES
14:24:44 AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL
14:24:47 THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT BEER,
14:24:49 WINE AND LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
14:24:53 LOCATED AT 3225 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE UNIT 103 AND 1075
14:24:58 TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3
14:25:01 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
14:25:04 CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2013-100
14:25:09 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:25:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
14:25:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
14:25:13 ROLL CALL VOTE.
14:25:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:25:15 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

14:25:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:25:18 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:25:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
14:25:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:25:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:25:23 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
14:25:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE MOVED NUMBER 98 BEFORE LUNCH.
14:25:29 OUR LAST ITEM IS 99, STAFF.
14:25:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS I SUGGESTED TO DEFER 99 BECAUSE
14:25:41 THAT'S A TYPICAL HEARING, MIGHT TAKE ANOTHER HALF HOUR.
14:25:48 WE HAVE THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
14:25:50 THIS ISN'T JUST A SECOND READING.
14:25:51 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
14:25:54 THE PETITIONER IS PRESENT DOWNSTAIRS ON THE SECOND FLOOR
14:25:57 ALONG WITH MR. COTTON IS PRESENT FOR STAFF.
14:26:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS NOT A SECOND READING.
14:26:07 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THIS IS NOT A SECOND READING.
14:26:09 THIS IS A REVIEW HEARING.
14:26:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD RATHER WAIT AND GET STAFF OUT OF
14:26:20 HERE.
14:26:21 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
14:26:26 ALL RIGHT.
14:26:26 CHIEF BENNETT, YOU ARE UP.
14:26:28 ITEM NUMBER 100, SIR.
14:26:30 ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.

14:26:31 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
14:26:35 NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES, IN LIEU OF THE LONG AGENDA
14:26:38 TONIGHT.
14:26:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
14:26:43 ITEM NUMBER 5 UNDER CONSENT AGENDA.
14:26:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD AFTERNOON.
14:27:05 ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
14:27:08 I AM GOING TO PASS OUT -- I ACTUALLY DID MAKE A CHANGE TO
14:27:13 THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING,
14:27:16 AND I HAVE CREATED ALSO KIND OF WHAT I WOULD CALL AN ERRATA
14:27:21 SHEET EXPLAINING WHAT THE CHANGES BASICALLY, IT WAS ONE
14:27:25 REALLY LONG RUN-ON SENTENCE AND I BROKE IT OUT.
14:27:30 I DIDN'T CHANGE THE CONTEXT OF IT AT ALL.
14:27:35 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT OUT.
14:27:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, THE REASON I PULLED THIS,
14:27:57 SOMETIMES WE READ BUT DON'T UNDERSTAND, SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC
14:28:01 DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
14:28:02 THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT, SO LEGAL CAN TELL US WHAT IT REALLY
14:28:09 GIVES THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING OR
14:28:11 WILL NOT BE PROPOSING TO DO THIS AFTERNOON.
14:28:12 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AND I APOLOGIZE FOR HANDING THESE OUT.
14:28:31 SO BASICALLY, AS I EXPLAINED, I SENT YOU ALL A MEMO THAT I
14:28:36 AM HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THIS.
14:28:37 THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE IN THIS LAST SESSION ADOPTED SENATE
14:28:42 BILL 2006 WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED CHAPTER 252 WHICH IS

14:28:49 THE FLORIDA EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SECTION OF THE FLORIDA
14:28:52 STATUTES.
14:28:54 AND JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, CHAPTER 252 IS AGAIN THE
14:29:02 STATE CHAPTER THAT GOVERNS ALL EMERGENCIES IN THE STATE OF
14:29:07 FLORIDA.
14:29:09 IT THEN, WITHIN THAT CHAPTER, DELEGATES CERTAIN AUTHORITY TO
14:29:14 LOCAL POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS, SO ALL THE EMERGENCY POWERS
14:29:18 THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS DERIVE FROM THE STATE.
14:29:24 AND THEN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE HAVE CODIFIED OUR
14:29:28 EMERGENCY POWERS IN CHAPTER 2 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
14:29:32 NOW, BECAUSE THE STATE STATUTE SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED THOSE
14:29:38 EMERGENCY POWERS THIS YEAR, PRIMARILY IN RESPONSE TO THE
14:29:43 COVID PANDEMIC, WE THEN AGAIN HAVE TO AMEND OUR CITY CODE
14:29:47 TO -- OR WE HAVE TO AMEND OUR CITY CODE TO MAKE IT
14:29:51 CONSISTENT.
14:29:53 AS I EXPLAINED IN MY MEMO, PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT
14:29:59 THING THAT THE LEGISLATURE DID WAS REDEFINE THE WORD
14:30:07 EMERGENCY ORDERS TO BASICALLY CREATE THREE CATEGORIES OF
14:30:14 STATES OF EMERGENCY.
14:30:15 ONE IS THE OBVIOUS, HURRICANE OR OTHER WEATHER RELATED
14:30:20 EMERGENCY.
14:30:21 THE OTHER IS A NON-HURRICANE EMERGENCY, CHEMICAL SPILL, A
14:30:30 PANDEMIC, WHATEVER, WHERE IN YOUR DECLARATION OF THAT STATE
14:30:36 OF EMERGENCY YOU NOT IMPAIR THE INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES OR
14:30:43 RIGHTS, OR THE RIGHTS OR LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR

14:30:46 BUSINESSES.
14:30:48 I AM USE THE LEGISLATURE'S WORDS.
14:30:50 AND THEN THE FINAL CATEGORY, WHICH IS A NEW CATEGORY, THEY
14:30:55 CREATED, IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC, WHERE AS WE KNOW,
14:30:59 TALLAHASSEE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT SOME OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
14:31:03 DID IN TERMS OF MASK ORDERS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AND
14:31:07 SHUTTING BUSINESSES DOWN, SO THEY HAVE A THIRD CATEGORY OF
14:31:13 EMERGENCY NOW WHERE IT'S AN ORDER THAT DECLARES A STATE OF
14:31:18 EMERGENCY, AND PUTS LIMITS ON INDIVIDUAL -- THE RIGHTS OR
14:31:24 LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES.
14:31:26 AND THEY SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTENED THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT AN
14:31:30 ORDER LIKE THAT CAN STAY IN EFFECT.
14:31:33 AND THEY HAVE ALSO CHANGED THE PROCESS BY WHICH AN ORDER
14:31:37 SUCH AS THAT CAN BE EXTENDED.
14:31:40 SO, AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE DRAFTED THESE AMENDMENT TO THE
14:31:45 CODE TO CODIFY THAT.
14:31:50 A COUPLE OF OTHER CHANGES, THEY ADDED LANGUAGE ABOUT HAVING
14:31:55 ON THE HOME PAGE OF THE CITY WEBSITE A LINK TO ALL OUR
14:32:00 EMERGENCY ORDERS, LIKE WORKING WITH OUR WEBSITE STAFF AND
14:32:04 THEY HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE IN CREATING THAT.
14:32:09 THE FINAL THING OF SIGNIFICANCE IN THIS ORDINANCE IS OUR
14:32:16 CITY HAS SOMETHING CALLED CERT,P COMMUNITY RESPONSE TEAM,
14:32:23 AND FOR CITIZENS TO RESPOND IN EMERGENCIES, AND IT ACTUALLY
14:32:28 ALLOWS THE VOLUNTEERS TO ACT ALMOST IN PLACE OF CITY FIRST
14:32:33 RESPONDERS IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY WHEN A FIRST

14:32:37 RESPONDER CAN'T GET THERE.
14:32:40 OUR CITY EMERGENCY STAFF QUANTITIES TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT
14:32:46 CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECKS OF THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD SERVE
14:32:51 MEMBERS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE WORK THEY ARE DOING,
14:32:53 AND BY FLORIDA STATUTE, IN ORDER TO REQUIRE THOSE CHECKS, WE
14:32:58 HAVE TO ADOPT THAT REQUIREMENT BY ORDINANCE.
14:33:00 SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THERE.
14:33:03 SO WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
14:33:06 AND AGAIN, THE ERRATA SHEET I GAVE YOU GOES TO SECTION
14:33:10 2-402-B-1 WHERE ORIGINALLY I HAD WRITTEN OUT AS ONE SINGLE
14:33:21 PARAGRAPH AND I KIND OF BROKE IT OUT INTO SUBSECTIONS TO
14:33:24 MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
14:33:29 SO IS THAT CLEAR?
14:33:31 DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
14:33:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS LOOKING AT ONE SPECIFIC SPOT ON 3
14:33:45 GOING INTO 4.
14:33:46 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION?
14:33:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW SOMETHING ON PAGE 4, FROM 3, AND I
14:33:59 WAS JUST REREADING IT.
14:34:00 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT. IN SECTION
14:34:03 2-403, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT CODE, WE HAD SOME
14:34:08 OF THE ITEMS THAT THE STATUTES HAD DELEGATED TO THE MAYOR,
14:34:14 SOME OF THE POWERS.
14:34:16 SOME HAD INADVERTENTLY NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN OUR CITY CODE.
14:34:20 SO THOSE ADDED PARAGRAPHS UNDER SECTION 2-403 ARE LITERALLY

14:34:27 VERBATIM FROM THE STATE STATUTE, JUST PLUGGED INTO OUR CODE.
14:34:31 I MEAN, TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THAT POWER
14:34:34 BY STATE STATUTE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO INCLUDE IN
14:34:37 THE OUR CODE, BUT SINCE WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME OF THE OTHER
14:34:41 POWERS, I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO INCLUDE THOSE IN OUR CODE
14:34:44 AS WELL.
14:34:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXPLAIN SECTION D ON PAGE 4, MS. ZELMAN.
14:34:49 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: D ON PAGE 4.
14:34:53 SO D ON PAGE 4 IS IN THE CURRENT CODE.
14:34:57 THE ONLY CHANGE WE MADE IS TO REFER TO THE NEW KIND OF
14:35:02 EMERGENCY ORDER THAT HAS A SEPARATE PROCEDURE.
14:35:05 LET ME EXPLAIN D.
14:35:07 SO D IS HOW EMERGENCIES CURRENTLY WORK.
14:35:11 AND THAT IS, THE MAYOR DECLARES A STATE OF EMERGENCY, UNDER
14:35:16 STATE STATUTE, EVERY LOCAL EMERGENCY HAS A DURATION OF NO
14:35:20 MORE THAN SEVEN DAYS.
14:35:21 IT HAS TO BE RENEWED EVERY SEVEN DAYS.
14:35:25 AS WAS TRUE WITH COVID, AND IS STILL TRUE, AS LONG AS THERE
14:35:32 IS A STATE OR FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY STILL IN EFFECT,
14:35:37 THE MAYOR CAN CONTINUE TO RENEW THOSE EVERY SEVEN DAYS
14:35:41 WITHOUT BRINGING IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
14:35:44 HOWEVER, IF THERE ISN'T A STATE OR FEDERAL STATE OF
14:35:49 EMERGENCY IN EFFECT, AND MORE THAN 30 DAYS HAVE PASSED, THAT
14:35:54 THE MAYOR AND THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING HAS TO BRING THE
14:35:57 MATTER TO CITY COUNCIL, CONVINCE YOU ALL THAT EMERGENCY

14:36:02 CONDITIONS CONTINUE, AT WHICH TIME IF YOU ALL VOTE TO AGREE,
14:36:08 THEN THE MAYOR CAN CONTINUE TO EXTEND IT EVERY SEVEN DAYS
14:36:11 WITHOUT BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL.
14:36:14 IF YOU DISAPPROVE, THEN SHE CANNOT.
14:36:17 AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE REASON FOR THAT, THERE ARE
14:36:23 SEVERAL REASONS.
14:36:23 ONE IS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THE ENACTMENT, THE DECLARATION OF
14:36:29 A STATE OF EMERGENCY DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN AT THE MOST
14:36:32 CONVENIENT TIME.
14:36:33 THE TROPICAL STORM ELSA ONE, I CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST,
14:36:39 HAPPENED ON A SUNDAY, FEDERAL HOLD JULY 4th AND MANY OF
14:36:44 US HAVE H TO JUMP INTO ACTION, GET THE MAYOR TO SIGN IT, GET
14:36:48 IT DISTRIBUTED.
14:36:50 HAD THAT STORM ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND WHO H WE NEEDED TO
14:36:53 EXTEND IT, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE EXTENDED THE FOLLOWING
14:36:57 SUNDAY, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING SUNDAY AFTER THAT.
14:37:00 SO IT ISN'T ALWAYS CONVENIENT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONVENE
14:37:06 AND BOTH ENACT AN ORDER AND EXTEND IT.
14:37:08 AND, IN FACT, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SIMILARLY, EVEN THOUGH
14:37:14 THEIR MODEL OF GOVERNMENT IS DIFFERENT, AND TYPICALLY ANY
14:37:17 ACTIONS TAKEN BY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ARE TAKEN BY THE BOARD,
14:37:21 THEY DELEGATED TO THEIR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BONNIE WHITE
14:37:25 THE ABILITY TO ISSUE DECLARATIONS OF STATES OF EMERGENCY AND
14:37:29 ALSO TO EXTEND THEM.
14:37:31 SO THAT'S WHY THAT LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN THAT WAY.

14:37:35 ALSO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, CITY COUNCIL ISN'T HERE EVERY
14:37:41 SEVEN DAYS.
14:37:42 YOU ARE NOT HERE NECESSARILY -- I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST
14:37:45 JULY MEETING.
14:37:47 IN AUGUST YOU HAVE THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES BREAK.
14:37:49 IN JUNE YOU WERE AWAY FOR TWO WEEKS.
14:37:53 AND THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS, WHATEVER.
14:37:55 SO IT REALLY ISN'T PRACTICAL.
14:37:57 AND AGAIN I THINK THAT'S WHY ALTHOUGH THE GOVERNMENT, LIKE
14:38:03 THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY I GAVE YOU, DELEGATES TO AN
14:38:07 INDIVIDUAL RATHER THAN REQUIRING THE BODY TO COME TOGETHER
14:38:09 TO EXTEND THE STATE OF EMERGENCY.
14:38:11 NOW, AGAIN, IF THERE WASN'T, LIKE IN THIS CASE WITH COVID,
14:38:16 WE STILL HAVE THE COVID ORDER IN EFFECT.
14:38:22 BECAUSE THERE IS A FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY, WE HAVEN'T
14:38:24 HAD TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AN EXTENSION, EVEN
14:38:28 THOUGH THE STATE'S STATE OF EMERGENCY HAS EXPIRED.
14:38:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE COUNTY?
14:38:36 I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS WORKED -- WE HAVE THAT BOARD.
14:38:39 THE COUNTY HAS BEEN TAKEN THE MOVE.
14:38:42 DOES THAT SUPERSEDE US HERE?
14:38:44 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE, IF YOU WILL.
14:38:48 THE COUNTY DID -- YOU ARE RIGHT, USED TO HAVE THAT EMERGENCY
14:38:51 POWER GROUP AND THEY DISBANDED IT.
14:38:54 SO NOW THEY ARE OPERATING SOLO, JUST AS WE ARE.

14:38:58 BUT AS I SAID, THEY HAVE DELEGATED, THE BOARD HAS DELEGATED
14:39:02 THE AUTHORITY TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ISSUE THESE
14:39:05 ORDERS AND TO EXTEND THEM AS WELL.
14:39:09 AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE IS NONE OF THIS
14:39:12 OBVIOUSLY -- IT'S DONE FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES.
14:39:16 IT'S DONE BECAUSE EMERGENCIES AGAIN DON'T HAPPEN ON
14:39:19 CONVENIENT SCHEDULES, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE QUICK
14:39:22 ACTION.
14:39:22 YOU DON'T NECESSARILY -- THINK BACK TO THE FIRST TWO MONTHS
14:39:25 OF THE PANDEMIC.
14:39:26 THIS COUNCIL DIDN'T MEET.
14:39:28 IT WASN'T SAFE TO BRING YOU ALL INTO CHAMBERS TO ENLIST THE
14:39:32 SERVICES OF THE CLERK, TO GIVE NOTICE, TO HAVE CTTV HERE,
14:39:36 WHATEVER, HAD WE HAD TO DO THAT EVERY SEVEN DAYS TO EXTEND
14:39:39 THE ORDER.
14:39:40 IT JUST WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PRACTICAL.
14:39:42 BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE
14:39:47 TAKEN -- THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS TAKEN SIGNIFICANT MEASURES
14:39:50 TO KEEP COUNCIL IN THE LOOP.
14:39:53 I MEAN, THIS PANDEMIC, OF COURSE, IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME
14:39:57 EVENT.
14:39:58 BUT IF YOU REMEMBER BACK AT THE BEGINNING, CHIEF BENNETT
14:40:01 ACTUALLY DEVISED A PROCESS WHEREBY WE PROVIDED COUNCIL, WE
14:40:08 CREATED AN AGENDA AS IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A COUNCIL
14:40:10 MEETING, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE CANCELED, WE GAVE COUNCIL THE

14:40:15 OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EVERY ITEM ON THE AGENDA, EVERY
14:40:17 CONTRACT, EVERY AGREEMENT THAT WAS TO BE APPROVED, AND GAVE
14:40:21 YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL ITEMS, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY
14:40:25 UNDER THE MAYOR'S EMERGENCY POWERS, SHE CAN ENTER INTO
14:40:28 CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY WITHOUT
14:40:31 YOUR APPROVAL.
14:40:33 AND THEN ALSO -- AND THIS IS SOMETHING PERSONAL TO ME, YOU
14:40:39 KNOW, EVERY WEEK, WHEN WE EITHER REVISE THE EMERGENCY ORDER,
14:40:44 DRAFTED NEW ONES, RECEIVED EMERGENCY ORDERS FROM THE
14:40:47 GOVERNOR, WE HAVE SENT EVERY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL A COPY
14:40:52 OF THAT, AS SOON AS THE MAYOR SIGNED IT OR AS SOON AS WE
14:40:56 RECEIVED IT FROM THE GOVERNOR, SISTERS-IN-LAW 8:00, 9:00 AT
14:41:00 NIGHT, WITH AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE ORDER MEANT, AND THEN
14:41:05 THE IMPACT ON THE CITY.
14:41:06 AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK UPON OURSELVES BECAUSE
14:41:10 WE WANTED TO KEEP EVERYONE IN THE LOOP.
14:41:14 I THINK APPROXIMATELY 300 TOTAL ORDERS THAT CAME OUT BETWEEN
14:41:18 THE STATE AND US DURING THIS COVID PANDEMIC.
14:41:21 SO, YOU KNOW, NOTHING WAS EVER INTENDED.
14:41:27 I MEAN, EVERYTHING WE DID WAS INTENDED TO KEEP CITY COUNCIL
14:41:29 IN THE LOOP ON THESE MATTERS.
14:41:32 AS YOU KNOW, I AM ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT
14:41:36 OUR ORDERS AS IS EVERYONE ELSE IN OUR OFFICE.
14:41:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER WAS FIRST.
14:41:41 YOU SAW HIS HAND UP FIRST.

14:41:44 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
14:41:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS ANDREA, I AGREE WITH YOU AND
14:41:49 YOUR TEAM HAVE BEEN VERY FORTHRIGHT IN KEEPING US POSTED.
14:41:53 I APPRECIATE THAT.
14:41:54 I GUESS WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS THE SUBSECTION 2 AT THE
14:41:59 BOTTOM SPEAKS TO FOR A TOTAL DURATION OF NOT MORE THAN 42
14:42:05 DAYS, I GUESS SIX WEEKS.
14:42:09 THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ARE ADDING THERE?
14:42:12 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: SO AGAIN, THAT WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF SENATE
14:42:15 BILL 2006, WHICH CREATED THIS NEW CATEGORY OF EMERGENCY
14:42:21 ORDER, WHERE IT'S AN ORDER ISSUED, OR DECLARATION OF STATE
14:42:26 OF EMERGENCY ISSUED IN RESPONSE TO A NON-WEATHER EVENT,
14:42:30 AND -- AND THIS IS CRITICAL -- AND THE DECLARATION LIMITS
14:42:36 THE RIGHTS OR LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES IN THE
14:42:41 CITY.
14:42:43 AND UNDER THE NEW STATE STATUTE, AN ORDER LIKE THAT, AND THE
14:42:48 EXAMPLE THAT WOULD COME TO MIND WOULD BE FACE MASK ORDER, OR
14:42:52 THE ORDER THAT WE HAVE TO STAY AT HOME ORDER AT THE
14:42:55 BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC, THOSE CAN HAVE A DURATION OF NO
14:42:59 LONGER THAN 42 DAYS, AND THOSE ORDERS, THE INITIAL ORDER CAN
14:43:05 BE ISSUED BY THE MAYOR, BUT EVERY EXTENSION THEREOF HAS TO
14:43:09 COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND BE VOTED ON BY A MAJORITY OF CITY
14:43:12 COUNCIL.
14:43:12 AND THAT'S AGAIN THE NEW UNIQUE DISTINCTION THAT THE STATE
14:43:17 CREATED JUST FOR THOSE ORDERS.

14:43:21 AND WHEN YOU READ THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY, I MEAN, CLEARLY
14:43:24 WHAT THEY WERE REACTING TO WAS THE PANDEMIC AND THE FACT
14:43:28 THAT TALLAHASSEE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WERE
14:43:32 DOING IN THAT REGARD.
14:43:33 THEY DIDN'T LIKE US SHUTTING DOWN BUSINESSES, THEY DIDN'T
14:43:36 LIKE THE STAY AT HOME, THEY DIDN'T LIKE FACE MASKS, SO ON
14:43:41 AND SO FORTH.
14:43:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE YOU
14:43:44 PULLING THIS, BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT I AM THINKING IS, I
14:43:50 TOTALLY AGREE THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE AUTHORITY TORE DECLARE A
14:43:57 STATE OF EMERGENCY, UNILATERALLY, LET'S SAY IT'S A STORM
14:44:02 EVENT, AND DO THAT BY HERSELF WITHOUT COUNCIL, BECAUSE OFTEN
14:44:07 WE CAN'T MEET THAT QUICKLY AND THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN
14:44:13 RAPIDLY.
14:44:15 BUT MS. ZELMAN, I WOULD SAY THAT WITHIN X NUMBER OF DAYS,
14:44:24 LET'S SAY 14 DAYS OR 21 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THIS
14:44:29 LOCAL EMERGENCY IS GOING TO CONTINUE, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE
14:44:34 SHOULD INCLUDE, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO UNDER STATE
14:44:37 STATUTE, AND IT APPEARS THAT WE DO, THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE
14:44:44 OURSELVES IN THAT DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AFTER A CERTAIN
14:44:47 REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME.
14:44:51 I WOULD HOPE THAT AFTER 14 OR 21 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE
14:44:55 THAT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REGROUP AND MEET AS A BODY AND
14:45:00 AFFIRM THE MAYOR'S CONCLUSION THAT THE STATE OF EMERGENCY
14:45:03 NEEDS TO CONTINUE.

14:45:04 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WELL, IF I MAY, THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
14:45:08 THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN SUBSECTION D OF 2-402.
14:45:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM NOT SEEING THAT IN THE PROPOSED D.
14:45:17 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WELL, LOOK AT THE TOP OF PAGE --
14:45:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T HAVE THE ENTIRE 2.402 IN FRONT
14:45:25 OF ME.
14:45:26 ALL I HAVE IS ONE PAGE.
14:45:28 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: DO YOU NOT HAVE THE ORDINANCE AS WELL?
14:45:31 LOOK AT PAGE 4.
14:45:32 >>: OKAY, WAIT.
14:45:33 MAYBE I DO.
14:45:34 I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE OLD VERSION.
14:45:39 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE ERRATA SHEET WAS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE
14:45:42 ONE PAGE BECAUSE I BROKE OUT A VERY LONG RUN-ON PARAGRAPH.
14:45:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS I AM LOOKING AT THE B SECTION.
14:45:49 IS THAT PAGE 4, PAGE 5?
14:45:53 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: B IS ON PAGE 3.
14:45:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
14:46:02 AND DOES THAT INCLUDE THE -- DOES B-1 INCLUDE --
14:46:08 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: SO B-1 IS WEATHER EMERGENCIES OR
14:46:13 NON-WEATHER EMERGENCIES THAT DO NOT LIMIT THE RIGHTS OR
14:46:17 LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY OF
14:46:19 TAMPA.
14:46:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
14:46:23 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NOW, IF YOU GO TO SECTION D ON PAGE 4 --

14:46:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SORT OF REMEMBER THIS FROM TWO YEARS
14:46:33 AGO.
14:46:33 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES, YOU ASKED US THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF
14:46:36 THE PANDEMIC.
14:46:37 SO AGAIN, SO WE HAVE A WEATHER EMERGENCY, OR WE HAVE A
14:46:40 NON-WEATHER EMERGENCY WHERE WE HAVE ISSUED A STATE OF
14:46:44 EMERGENCY BUT WE ARE NOT IMPAIRING ANY INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OR
14:46:49 LIBERTIES OF INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES.
14:46:52 I APOLOGIZE.
14:46:53 IN THAT CASE, THE ORDER CAN STAY IN EFFECT NO LONGER THAN 30
14:46:57 DAYS, IN THE ABSENCE OF A STATE OR FEDERAL EMERGENCY WITHOUT
14:47:03 IT HAVING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
14:47:06 IF THERE'S A STATE OR FEDERAL EMERGENCY IN EFFECT IT DOES
14:47:09 NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
14:47:11 BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THE MAYOR CHOSE TO KEEP A LOCAL STATE
14:47:15 OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT IN THE ABSENCE OF A STATE OR FEDERAL
14:47:19 ONE, AFTER 30 DAYS, SHE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO
14:47:23 COUNCIL.
14:47:28 AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CAUTION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
14:47:32 CRITICISMS OF THE STATE STATUTE IS THAT IT WAS KIND OF A
14:47:35 NECESSITY JERK REACTION TO WHAT WE HOPE IS A
14:47:38 ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME PANDEMIC.
14:47:40 WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN ANY OF OUR LIFE
14:47:43 TIMES WHERE WE HAD A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT FOR LONGER
14:47:48 THAN, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS OR FEW MONTHS AND MAYBE FOR --

14:47:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS
14:47:56 OF COVID? IS THERE STILL A STATE AND FEDERAL EMERGENCY IN
14:48:00 PLACE?
14:48:02 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THERE IS NO STATEWIDE STATE OF EMERGENCY
14:48:04 IN PLACE.
14:48:05 HOWEVER, THERE IS A FEDERAL ONE.
14:48:07 THERE'S ONE ISSUED BY THE PRESIDENT AND ONE ISSUED BY THE
14:48:10 SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND WE STILL HAVE A
14:48:16 LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT.
14:48:19 I BELIEVE I SENT YOU A COPY OF IT YESTERDAY.
14:48:23 AND WE ARE VERY CLEAR IN IT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE
14:48:27 DOING IT FOR ONE PURPOSE, AND THAT IS WE ARE KEEPING A STATE
14:48:32 OF EMERGENCY IN EFFECT SO THAT IF WE HAVE TO TAKE MONEYS,
14:48:38 MITIGATED ACTIONS, PROTECTIVE ACTION IF WE HAD TO RESPOND TO
14:48:42 AN EMERGENCY SUCH AS WHAT HAPPENED IN MANATEE COUNTY WHERE
14:48:45 THEY HAD A BREAKOUT IN THEIR I.T. DEPARTMENT, THE CITY COULD
14:48:49 SPEND MONEY, AND THEN BE REIMBURSED BY FEMA, AND IT WAS
14:48:54 ACTUALLY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THAT
14:48:58 RECOMMENDED TO OUR EMERGENCY FOLKS THAT WE KEEP OUR ORDER IN
14:49:01 EFFECT FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE MANATEE COUNTY LET THEIR
14:49:07 LOCAL ONE LAPSE, AND WHEN THAT IN THEIR I.T. DEPARTMENT THEY
14:49:11 HAD TO SPEND SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEY CAN'T
14:49:15 SEEK FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A
14:49:17 STATE OF NEW JERSEY EFFECT ACCORDING TO WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
14:49:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

14:49:22 I THINK BASED UPON D, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
14:49:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
14:49:30 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION BUT I WOULD
14:49:33 LIKE TO SAY BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP,
14:49:38 THE LEM DEPARTMENT'S HELP IN KEEPING US INFORMED.
14:49:42 I WOULD LIKE TO BE SAY I APPRECIATE CHIEF BENNETT'S HELP IN
14:49:45 GUIDING US THROUGH THIS UNPRECEDENTED PROCESS, AND ALSO THE
14:49:49 MAYOR, AND ALL THE OTHER STAFF, THE TECHNICAL STAFF AND
14:49:52 EVERYONE WHO HELPED US THROUGH THIS.
14:49:54 I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMUNICATION AND AT ANY TIME
14:49:58 COORDINATION, COLLABORATION BEHIND THE SCENE.
14:50:00 SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
14:50:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU.
14:50:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE, GENTLEMEN?
14:50:10 AND THIS IS PULLED SO COUNCIL UNDERSTAND IT IS POLICIES AND
14:50:13 PROCEDURE THAT THIS BOARD AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AND
14:50:17 CITIZENS UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS, SO IF WE HAVE A STATE,
14:50:22 FEDERAL SITUATION GOING ON.
14:50:25 JUST LIKE NOW, WE ARE GOING UNDER A FEDERAL EXECUTIVE ORDER,
14:50:29 FOR DOLLARS, OF COURSE.
14:50:33 SO I AM SATISFIED AT THIS POINT WITH THE EXPLANATION.
14:50:39 WE CAN PROCEED ON.
14:50:40 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU.
14:50:42 AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST.
14:50:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS FOR FIRST READING, CORRECT?

14:50:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. ZELMAN IS PROVIDING THE CLERK WITH THE
14:50:55 SUBSTITUTE, SO I ASK WHOEVER READS THE TITLE, I BELIEVE THE
14:50:58 TITLE IS THE SAME, MRS. MS. ZELMAN?
14:51:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES.
14:51:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO WHOEVER READS THE TITLE WOULD MOVE THE
14:51:04 SUBSTITUTE.
14:51:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY, MR. SHELBY, ARE YOU SATISFIED
14:51:08 WITH IT, SIR?
14:51:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
14:51:10 AND JUST A REMINDER TO COUNCIL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE COMING
14:51:12 BACK FOR SECOND READING AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
14:51:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, DO YOU WANT TO READ IT?
14:51:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 2021-AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
14:51:28 FLORIDA MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
14:51:31 ORDINANCES CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 7, CIVIL EMERGENCIES, IN ORDER
14:51:36 TO INCORPORATE LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 252 FLORIDA
14:51:40 STATUTES AND THE REQUIRED STATE AND NATIONAL CRIMINAL
14:51:43 HISTORY SCREENING OF COMMUNITY -- COMMUNITY EMERGENCY
14:51:48 RESPONSE TEAM TO FULFILL PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
14:51:53 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
14:51:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
14:51:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.
14:51:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:51:58 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:51:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

14:52:00 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:52:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:52:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:52:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:52:05 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:52:07 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 5th,
14:52:10 2021 AT 9:30.
14:52:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
14:52:14 ITEM HE 16 UPPED CONSENT.
14:52:22 >> SUNSET CHIEF LEE BERCAW.
14:52:40 I AM EXCITED TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE UPDATES OF THE MENTAL
14:52:44 HEALTH UNIT AND ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT.
14:52:48 SO ON BEHALF OF CHIEF DUGAN AND SUPPORT WHEREVER THE
14:52:50 ADMINISTRATION AND MAYOR CASTOR WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY IN
14:52:52 OUR PROGRAM, AND WE ARE EAGER TO MOVE FORWARD.
14:52:56 AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
14:53:06 IF YOU RECALL IN OUR LAST UPDATE WE SPOKE ABOUT WHAT MAKES
14:53:09 OUR PLANNING THE PROGRAM SET APART FROM OTHERS.
14:53:12 AND IT'S THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE COLLABORATION THAT WE DID
14:53:15 TO DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM.
14:53:16 YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS.
14:53:19 THAT'S WHAT WE SOLICITED AND WE SOLICITED THE MENTAL HEALTH
14:53:22 EXPERTS FROM THIS COMMUNITY.
14:53:23 YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN OUR PARTNERS ARE BAYCARE, USF,
14:53:28 CRISIS CENTER, ACTS, NORTH SIDE, DACCO, GRACE POINT, ALL

14:53:35 WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
14:53:38 USF, BAYCARE AND CRISIS CENTER STOOD OUT.
14:53:42 BAYCARE, GAYLE RYDER WORKED WITH US AND TOOK THE LEAD WHEN
14:53:46 NOBODY RESPONDED TO OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
14:53:50 AND WE PARTNERED WITH DR. KATHLEEN MOORE FROM USF AND CLAIRE
14:53:54 REYNOLDS FROM THE CRISIS CENTER WHO WORKED WITH US BEHIND
14:53:56 THE SCENES TO DEVELOP THE MEETINGS AND FOCUS GROUPS TO
14:53:59 ESTABLISH WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE
14:54:02 FORWARD.
14:54:02 ON OUR TPD TEAM I HAVE SEVERAL TODAY AND THEY WILL BE
14:54:06 SPEAKING.
14:54:07 BUT LIEUTENANT ROJKA IS WITH US, DETECTIVE TONY COULDN'T BE
14:54:12 WITH US TODAY AND WE HAVE OUR NEW HIRE DR. KATHY THOMPSON
14:54:17 WHO WILL BE SPEAKING TO YOU SHORTLY.
14:54:18 SO I WOULD LIKE LIEUTENANT ROJKA TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE
14:54:25 PROCESS AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
14:54:27 >> LIEUTENANT KERT ROJKA.
14:54:40 AS THE CHIEF SAID WE DID PARTNER WITH WHO YOU HAVE BEFORE
14:54:43 YOU IN YOUR PowerPoint PRESENTATION BUT WE RESEARCHED
14:54:46 ACROSS THE NATION AND REACHED OUT TO NUMEROUS AGENCIES TO
14:54:49 SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING, TO SEE WHAT WORKED, SOME OF THE
14:54:51 CHALLENGES, AND WHEREIN WE CAN APPROVE, AND WE BELIEVE WE
14:54:55 CAME UP WITH A GOOD PLAN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
14:55:04 IT WILL CONSIST OF MYSELF AND THE TEAM COORDINATOR.
14:55:08 IN ADDITION WE WILL HAVE FOUR CASE MANAGERS, FOUR FIELD

14:55:11 CLINICIANS AND FOUR OFFICERS.
14:55:13 THE CLINICIANS WILL COME FROM ACTS, AND THEY WILL RESPOND TO
14:55:19 BE CALLS TO SERVICE RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH TYPE CALLS.
14:55:23 IN ADDITION WE WILL HAVE FOUR CASE MANAGERS WILL BE EMBEDDED
14:55:27 INSIDE THE FOUR MAJOR PROVIDERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, NORTH
14:55:30 SIDE, DACCO, GRACE POINT, ACTS.
14:55:34 SO THE PROGRAM CALLS FOR THIS.
14:55:36 OBVIOUSLY OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL IS LINK PEOPLE IN CRISIS WITH
14:55:39 THE APPROPRIATE SERVICES.
14:55:41 WE KNOW THAT THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE
14:55:45 GETTING PEOPLE CONNECTED IN A TIMELY FASHION TO THE SERVICES
14:55:47 THAT THEY NEED, SO THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNED JUST TO DO THAT,
14:55:51 AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CASE MANAGEMENT IN EACH ONE OF THE
14:55:55 FACILITIES.
14:55:56 ALSO WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING SERVICES AS RELATES TO
14:55:58 MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE
14:56:01 KNOW THAT MENTAL HEALTH HAS AN ISSUE, DEPENDENCY, SOME SORT
14:56:07 OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE DEPENDENCY.
14:56:08 SO WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES AS WELL.
14:56:11 AND AGAIN, THE TEAMS WILL BE RESPONDING OUT TO THE CALLS FOR
14:56:15 SERVICE, MENTAL HEALTH AND THE CLINICIANS WILL BE TAKING THE
14:56:19 LEAD ON THESE CALLS AND THE POLICE WILL BE THEREBY TO MAKE
14:56:21 SURE EVERYTHING STAYS IN A SAFE MANNER, AND BE THERE TO
14:56:25 SUPPORT THE CLINICIAN AS NECESSARY.
14:56:29 OUR AGREEMENTS WITH THE ACTS, AGAIN, ACTS IS GOING TO BE THE

14:56:34 ONE WHO IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE CLINICIAN, EXECUTE A
14:56:39 CONTRACT FOR US.
14:56:40 THIS IS A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT.
14:56:41 AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS TO US BY
14:56:45 WAY OF THE FIELD CLINICIANS.
14:56:48 SCOPE OF WORK WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
14:56:50 AGAIN THERE WILL BE THE AGENCY FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM, AND
14:56:54 THEY WILL PROVIDE WITHIN THEIR FACILITY ONE CASE MANAGER.
14:56:58 AND SO LIKE I SAID, EACH AGENCY WILL HAVE A CASE MANAGER
14:57:01 THAT WE CAN REFER PEOPLE DIRECTLY TO, BASED ON THE ISSUES
14:57:05 THEY ARE HAVING TO GET THEM THE APPROPRIATE TREATMENT.
14:57:10 AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU DR. KATHY
14:57:13 THOMPSON WHO IS OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COORDINATOR.
14:57:16 SHE WILL BE OVERSEEING THE DEVELOPMENT PIECE OF OUR UNIT.
14:57:19 SO DOCTOR.
14:57:22 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
14:57:23 MY NAME IS KATHY THOMPSON.
14:57:26 MY PH.D. IS IN COUNSELOR SUPERVISION.
14:57:31 I AM ALSO A LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR HERE IN THE
14:57:33 STATE OF FLORIDA.
14:57:34 ADDITIONALLY A NATIONAL CERTIFIED COUNSELOR AND CERTIFIED
14:57:38 CLINICAL PROFESSIONAL.
14:57:39 SO WITH THOSE CREDENTIALS, I ALSO HAVE OVER 17 YEARS
14:57:42 EXPERIENCE WORKING AND SERVING THOSE SERVICES, CHILDREN,
14:57:49 FAMILIES, PREDOMINANT LIP IN ANOTHER CIRCUIT, BUT JUST NEXT

14:57:54 DOOR OVER IN POLK AND HARDEE COUNTY.
14:57:56 SOME OF MY DUTIES ARE BEFORE YOU.
14:57:59 SO I WILL BE CONSIDERED THE SUBJECT MATTER ON MENTAL HEALTH.
14:58:03 AGAIN, NO ONE CAN BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE, SO I AM
14:58:06 EXCITED AND HONORED TO PARTNER WITH TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
14:58:10 TO BETTER SERVE AND CONNECT OUR CITIZENS WITH THE SERVICES
14:58:14 THAT THEY TRULY NEED.
14:58:17 SPECIFICALLY I WILL BE OVERSEEING THE FIELD CLINICIANS.
14:58:21 I WILL BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR
14:58:26 BEHAVIOR PROVIDERS.
14:58:28 A LOT OF DATA TRACKING, I WILL AGGREGATE DATA, PROVIDE
14:58:34 REPORTS, LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW WE ARE DOING, WHAT'S WORKING,
14:58:37 WHAT'S NOT WORKING, MAKE SOME CRITIQUES, ADJUSTMENTS.
14:58:41 THAT DOES INCLUDE A REFERRAL PROCESS FOR OFFICERS.
14:58:46 AND ADDITIONALLY, IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL MORE THAN LIKELY
14:58:51 IMPLEMENT ADDITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING.
14:58:53 >> THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
14:59:00 OUR CLINICIANS WILL BE COMING TO US AS LICENSED CLINICAL
14:59:04 SOCIAL WORKERS OR LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, AND
14:59:08 THEY CAN DO THE BAKER ACT THEMSELVES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
14:59:11 DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT ASSOCIATION OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE
14:59:14 PROFESSIONALS IN THE FIELD INSTEAD OF RELYING ON LAW
14:59:17 ENFORCEMENT TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
14:59:20 JUST A QUICK BREAKDOWN OF THE BUDGET.
14:59:22 YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PROPOSED TOTAL IS 800 FOR THE YEAR.

14:59:26 THE CONTRACT BEFORE YOU IS IN THE 400S, BUT IN ADDITION TO
14:59:30 THAT, THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THE INITIAL
14:59:33 SET-UP THAT WE NEED TO GET THE EQUIPMENT IN PLACE.
14:59:37 ALSO, A LARGE PIECE IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS PROVIDING
14:59:40 SERVICES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY FOR THE CLIENTS THAT OUR
14:59:44 PROGRAM WILL BE SERVING OVER THE DAYS AHEAD.
14:59:49 ANY QUESTIONS?
14:59:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE TWO.
14:59:55 SO DIRT AND LEE, SIGNAL GOES OUT.
14:59:59 HOW DOES THIS WORK?
15:00:03 >> JUST FOR THE RECORD WE CHANGED SIGNAL 20 TO NOW BE CALLED
15:00:07 PERSON IN CRISIS.
15:00:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
15:00:09 ALL RIGHT.
15:00:09 >> SO WE MADE THAT CHANGE.
15:00:12 SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THEORY WHEN THOSE CALLS COME IN OUR
15:00:15 DISPATCHERS WILL TRIAGE THE CALLS. IF ONE OF OUR UNITS IS
15:00:18 AVAILABLE TO HANDLE THE SIGNAL 20 CALL, THEN THEY WILL
15:00:20 RESPOND OUT.
15:00:21 SO THE CLINICIANS AND THE OFFICER WILL RESPOND TO THOSE
15:00:25 CALLS, BUS IT'S GOING TO BE FOLLOW-UP.
15:00:28 WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE SAME
15:00:31 PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE
15:00:34 APPROPRIATE FOLLOW-UP SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.
15:00:35 SO OUR CLINICIANS WILL BE GOING OUT WITH THE OFFICERS TO

15:00:38 FOLLOW-UPS AND ENSURE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO THEIR
15:00:41 EMPLOYMENT, MAKING SURE THE MEDICINES THAT THEY ARE TAKING,
15:00:44 IF THEY ARE NOT TAKING THEM WHY THEY ARE NOT TAKING THEM,
15:00:46 AND GETTING BACK CONNECTED WITH THEIR DOCTOR TO GET THEM THE
15:00:49 APPROPRIATE MEDICINE THEY NEED, AND SO FOLLOW-UPS ARE PART
15:00:52 OF IT, AND THEN THEY RESPOND TO THAT.
15:00:57 THE CLINICIAN WOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON THOSE CALLS AND TRY TO
15:00:59 TRIAGE THAT CALL FROM THE PROFESSIONAL SIDE.
15:01:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND QUESTION.
15:01:04 EVERY COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
15:01:06 SO YOU HAVE FOUR OFFICERS, FOUR CLINICIANS.
15:01:10 TELL ME DIVERSITY.
15:01:12 BECAUSE EVERY COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT AND PEOPLE RESPOND TO
15:01:15 PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY IN CRISIS OR FAMILIES ARE THERE IN
15:01:18 CRISIS.
15:01:18 SO WHAT DO WE HAVE IN PLAN FOR THAT?
15:01:21 HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT YET?
15:01:23 >> ARE YOU REFERRING SPECIFICALLY TO DIVERSITY OF THE TEAM?
15:01:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
15:01:28 >> SO THE DIVERSITY OF THE TEAM RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU
15:01:30 WILL HAVE TWO FEMALES, AND 2001 FEMALE OFFICERS AND ONE MALE
15:01:35 OFFICER.
15:01:35 WE ARE STILL RECRUITING FOR THE FOURTH POSITION SO WE WILL
15:01:38 HAVE DIVERSITY THERE.
15:01:40 WE DID NOT FIND THE CLINICIANS YET BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING ON

15:01:42 THE CONTRACT FOR IT TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL
15:01:45 BEFORE WE HIRE FROM ACTS.
15:01:47 SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT PIECE WHAT ACTS IS GOING LOOK LIKE
15:01:50 YET.
15:01:50 I KNOW THROUGH MY DISCUSSIONS WITH VALERIE, WHO HAS HELPED
15:01:55 US WITH PROJECTS ON MENTAL HEALTH, WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT
15:01:56 ISSUE SPECIFICALLY KNOWING THAT EACH SUBSET WITHIN THE
15:02:00 COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
15:02:02 AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
15:02:04 ARE TREATING THE NEED -- THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE
15:02:08 INDIVIDUAL WITH THESE TYPES OF TEAMS.
15:02:10 SO WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE A DIVERSE TEAM, BOTH MALE AND
15:02:14 FEMALE, AND WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE BRING IN
15:02:17 OUR CLINICIANS THAT WE HAVE A WIDE DIVERSE GROUP THERE AS
15:02:20 WELL TO HELP MEET THE NEEDS OF THE POPULATION.
15:02:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MALE OR FEMALE IS GOOD BUT AS YOU KNOW AND
15:02:27 I KNOW, IF I GO TO A HISPANIC COMMUNITY, HABLO ESPANOL, IF
15:02:34 YOU DON'T SPEAK THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE WANT TO MAKE
15:02:41 SURE THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BENEFIT TO WHERE WE HAVE GOT
15:02:44 A PROGRAM, THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO COVER ALL
15:02:48 THOSE NEEDS, AND WE TALK ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY, WE TALK
15:02:50 ABOUT HISPANIC.
15:02:51 THESE ARE THE CULTURAL PEOPLE SO WE HAVE THOSE PEOPLE TO
15:02:53 RESPOND.
15:02:54 SO JUST MAKING SURE I KNOW IN THE INITIAL STAGE, I WANT US

15:02:59 TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE
15:03:05 FEMALES, MALES, GREAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE DIVERSE PEOPLE THAT
15:03:09 WE SAY IT'S GOING TO BE TRULY A TEAM TO SOME INITIALS SOME
15:03:12 OF THESE COMMUNITIES.
15:03:13 >> YES, SIR.
15:03:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
15:03:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
15:03:19 AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU.
15:03:22 GOOD PROGRESS.
15:03:25 I LOOK FORWARD TO THE KICKOFF WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S AROUND
15:03:27 THE CORNER IN THE FALL.
15:03:32 MY QUESTION, I KNOW IN ALL THE RESEARCH YOU HAVE DONE, AND
15:03:35 YOU HAVE LOOKED INTERNALLY, AS RELATED TO HOW MANY TOTAL
15:03:38 CALLS, BASICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE GOT SORT OF FOUR
15:03:43 TEAMS, OR SOMETHING, AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO COVERAGE OF
15:03:49 24/7?
15:03:50 AND I'M SURE A LOT OF THESE CALLS PROBABLY PERHAPS MAY GET
15:03:55 MORE CONCENTRATED ON CERTAIN DAYS OR CERTAIN TIMES OR
15:03:58 SOMETHING.
15:03:58 >> YES, SIR.
15:04:00 AS THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM, WE ARE STARTING WITH FOUR TEAMS.
15:04:03 AND SO OBVIOUSLY WITH FOUR TEAMS IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GAIN A
15:04:07 24/7 COVERAGE.
15:04:08 SO THE COVERAGE -- AND WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR CALLS FOR
15:04:11 SERVICES.

15:04:12 WE REALIZE A LOT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE IN THE EVENING
15:04:15 TIME HOURS YOU WILL IN I THINK IF I REMEMBER IT GOES TO
15:04:19 ABOUT 11 P.M. AND THEN THOSE CALLS START TO FALL OFF.
15:04:22 SO OUR COVERAGE WILL BE FROM 8 A.M. TO LOVELY 11:00 IN THE
15:04:26 EVENING.
15:04:27 THEN BECAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED STAFF AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET
15:04:29 MAX HOURS OUT OF OUR TEAMS, PRIMARY COVERAGE RIGHT NOW, THE
15:04:33 PILOT PHASE WOULD BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY SET-UP.
15:04:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
15:04:39 AND DR. THOMPSON, BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW OF THESE NUMBERS
15:04:47 AND THAT SORT OF THING, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
15:04:53 IS THIS JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
15:04:55 ABLE TO ADDRESS AT THE BEGINNING AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE THIS
15:04:58 PROGRAM GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY FOR A CITY OF 400,000 PEOPLE?
15:05:02 >> I DO.
15:05:03 GREAT QUESTION.
15:05:03 THANK YOU.
15:05:05 I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
15:05:07 AND I THINK IT IS ADMIRABLE THAT THE CITY IS TAKING A LOOK
15:05:10 AT THIS, AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS A CONCERN OF THE
15:05:13 CITIZENS.
15:05:15 WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
15:05:19 I THINK FOUR IS DOABLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT I HAVE
15:05:21 REVIEWED, AND YES, I HIGHLY ANTICIPATE THIS PROGRAM TO GROW
15:05:29 AND REACH A CAPACITY WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST MEET THE NEEDS AS

15:05:34 MANY CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE.
15:05:35 IDEALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT NEED IT.
15:05:38 HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE AND THAT'S NOT
15:05:40 REALISTIC.
15:05:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
15:05:42 CHIEF, AGAIN, THANKS FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST
15:05:45 YEAR, I GUESS ABOUT A YEAR OF WORKING ON THIS.
15:05:49 I KNOW YOU PUT YOUR HEART AND SOUL INTO IT AND I APPRECIATE
15:05:52 IT.
15:05:54 AGAIN, WELL, WHEN WE PUT FOUR OFFICERS ON THIS, FOUR
15:06:05 OFFICERS LESS DOING THEIR REGULAR JOB, BUT I WOULD THINK
15:06:09 THAT THEY SERVE A BALANCE THERE IN TERMS OF THAT IF BECK
15:06:15 START REDUCING ESPECIALLY THE RECIDIVISM, JOHN BENNETT AND I
15:06:19 HAVE TALKED ABOUT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO DO
15:06:22 THAT IN TERMS OF FOLLOW-UP AND THAT SORT OF THING.
15:06:26 I MEAN, OVERALL I HOPE THAT WE CAN JUST KEEP A STEADY NUMBER
15:06:29 OF OFFICERS TO JUST START SHIFTING SOME OF THEM OVER INTO
15:06:35 THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM?
15:06:37 >>CHIEF BERCAW: THESE ARE CALLS THAT THE OFFICERS WILL BE
15:06:39 ATTACK ANYWAYS, SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE WITH THIS UNIT TO
15:06:42 REDUCE THE VOLUME OF THOSE CALLS SO EASE THE WORKLOAD
15:06:46 SIMULTANEOUSLY.
15:06:47 SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL INCREASE OUR EFFICIENCY AND
15:06:51 EFFECTIVENESS NOT ONLY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT FOR THE
15:06:54 CITIZENS.

15:06:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I WOULD ALSO GUESS THAT ESPECIALLY
15:06:58 WHEN IT RELATES TO EFFECTIVENESS THAT THESE OFFICERS ARE
15:07:03 MORE HIGHLY TRAINED THAN JUST YOUR REGULAR OFFICER.
15:07:12 >> EXPERT SUBJECT MATTER, YOU CAN'T TOP THAT.
15:07:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT, SUPER.
15:07:17 THANKS AGAIN.
15:07:18 AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM ALL OF YOU AS WE
15:07:21 PROGRESS MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN.
15:07:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NONE ELSE BEFORE I FINISH UP?
15:07:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DON'T PUT IT ON CONSENT.
15:07:29 IT'S TOO GOOD AND TOO IMPORTANT TO SKIP OVER.
15:07:33 I'M SORRY.
15:07:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW VIERA AND MR. CARLSON.
15:07:36 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:07:37 AND THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN AND LADY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
15:07:44 CHIEF, IT'S GOOD TO SEA YOU UNDER BETTER CIRCUMSTANCES.
15:07:47 THAT'S FOR DARN SURE.
15:07:49 ONE THING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE
15:07:51 PRESENT?
15:07:54 >> IT'S ROUGHLY 800,000.
15:07:56 I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LINE BUT IT'S ROUGHLY 800,000.
15:08:00 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
15:08:01 IF IT CONTINUES TO BE EFFECTIVE IT'S GOING TO COST MORE
15:08:06 MONEY.
15:08:06 WE HAVE $80 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS GOING TO COME

15:08:10 FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNMENT TOLD US WE CAN
15:08:13 USE THAT MONEY IN PART FOR PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.
15:08:15 I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK
15:08:18 AT FUNDING IN A ROBUST WAY, IN PART THROUGH THOSE FUNDS,
15:08:24 THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
15:08:26 I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A MOTION IN THAT REGARD THAT COUNCIL HAS
15:08:29 SUPPORTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THOSE FUNDS,
15:08:32 AND IT GOES TO THE LARGER POINT WHICH IS THAT IF YOU ARE
15:08:36 GOING TO DO POSITIVE REFORMS IN POLICING, IT COSTS MONEY.
15:08:40 IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING THAT WE PASSED IS GOING TO COST A LOT
15:08:43 OF MONEY.
15:08:44 COMMUNITY POLICING AND HAVING THAT TRANSITION FOR A LOT OF
15:08:47 OUR COPS ON THE STREET.
15:08:48 THAT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
15:08:49 BODY CAMERAS, CITIZEN 13 MILLION.
15:08:52 THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
15:08:53 AND THIS A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.
15:08:55 SO WHEN YOU WANT TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, IT COSTS A GREAT
15:08:58 DEAL OF MONEY.
15:08:58 AND WE ARE COMING INTO A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY.
15:09:01 AND I THINK THERE'S GOOD CONSENSUS FOR HAVING THESE
15:09:04 IMPROVEMENTS FUNDED IN PART BY THESE FUND.
15:09:07 THAT'S ALL.
15:09:08 THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
15:09:09 >>CHIEF BERCAW: IN ADDITION TO THAT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL

15:09:12 GRANTS THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR, AND ARE OPTIMISTIC ON
15:09:16 THOSE.
15:09:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.
15:09:17 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ECHO THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOU'RE
15:09:21 TEAM FOR PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER, DOING ALL THE RESEARCH.
15:09:24 IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THE COMMUNITY BROUGHT UP A YEAR AGO
15:09:27 AND IT HAS HAD A CONSISTENT DRUM BEAT-APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.
15:09:31 THANKS ALSO FOR PITCHING IT FORWARD AND LEADING US WELL.
15:09:35 ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND SORRY THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION BUT
15:09:39 IT'S THE ONE THE COMMUNITY ASKED, WHICH IS, IS IT POSSIBLE
15:09:42 THROUGH THE RESEARCH THAT YOU HAVE DONE THAT HAVING MENTAL
15:09:50 HEALTH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, INTERVENTION, WOULD REDUCE THE
15:09:54 TIMES THAT PEOPLE ARE SHOT OR HURT IN SOME WAY, THAT THE
15:10:01 COMMENT OF THE COMMUNITY IS IF A MENTAL HEALTH PERSON LED,
15:10:04 THEN THERE WOULD BE FEWER PEOPLE SHOT.
15:10:06 IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU SAW IN ANY OF THE RESEARCH YOU
15:10:08 DID, AND WHAT'S YOUR --
15:10:10 >> THAT WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF, BUT AS PRESENTED
15:10:13 HERE, THE MENTAL HEALTH EXPERT OF THE LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH
15:10:18 COUNSELOR IS GOING TO BE THE ONE ENGAGING.
15:10:20 SO UNLESS THERE'S A THREAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE
15:10:24 OFFICER IS SECONDARY.
15:10:27 >> AND WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY SPECIFIC CASES,
15:10:30 IF SOMEONE NEEDS A MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR BUT THEY ARE ALSO
15:10:34 WIELDING A WEAPON, GUN OR SOMETHING?

15:10:36 >> THAT'S A VERY DYNAMIC SITUATION WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT
15:10:40 TRAINING WILL STEP IN.
15:10:42 >> I KNOW THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO ASK US, SO I WANT TO GIVE
15:10:46 AN ANSWER.
15:10:47 THANK YOU.
15:10:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:10:49 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CHIEF, THE LIEUTENANT, THE DOCTOR
15:10:54 FOR THE RECORD WORK, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF, TOO.
15:11:01 IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE
15:11:03 CHAIR'S POSITION.
15:11:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND YOUR QUESTIONS ARE VALID.
15:11:13 I'M HOPING THAT WE HAVE BUY-IN.
15:11:19 BUY-IN FROM THE OFFICERS.
15:11:22 BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE BUY-IN.
15:11:24 FOUR OFFICERS WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.
15:11:29 WE HAVE VERY SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION IN OUR
15:11:31 COMMUNITIES.
15:11:32 IT WON'T BE ENOUGH.
15:11:33 SO YOU CAN GET READY FOR THAT.
15:11:36 FOUR WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.
15:11:38 I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START TO SEE WHERE WE NEED TO BE AT.
15:11:42 I'M A REALIST.
15:11:43 MR. CARLSON, YOUR POINT, I HAVE BEEN THERE.
15:11:47 GUY COMES OUT WITH A BIG OL' KNIFE.
15:11:54 21 FEET.

15:11:55 BUT YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE CONFIDENCE TO SAY, I DO TAKE THIS
15:11:59 GUY'S LIFE OR I DO JUST BACK OFF AND JUST WAIT IT OUT?
15:12:05 COMES TO TRAINING, TOO.
15:12:06 IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE PART OF PROBABLY THE PROCESS WITH TPD
15:12:10 TRAINED OFFICERS WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL SO IT'S
15:12:14 GOING TO WORK BOTH HAND.
15:12:21 NO WHEN TO RETREAT.
15:12:23 BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT, WE ARE GOING TO SEE HOW IT ROLLS OUT.
15:12:28 I KNOW THE CHIEF, I KNOW HIM, HE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE
15:12:32 LOOKING FOR THIS AND THAT.
15:12:34 SO I AM WAITING TO SEE HOW WE GET UP AND RUNNING.
15:12:36 BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WITH ONLY FOUR OFFICERS, YOU HAVE A
15:12:40 MIDNIGHT SHIFT, AN EVENING SHIFT, DAY SHIFT, YOU HAVE GOT
15:12:46 THREE DISTRICTS.
15:12:49 WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, WORKED AT THE GASPARILLA, D-3, SO I
15:12:57 JUST TELL YOU THE WAY IT IS.
15:12:59 AND WE HAVE A SEVERE MENTALLY ILL IN A LOT OF OUR YOUTH NOW.
15:13:04 SOME PARENTS HAVING KIDS, THAT THEY HAVE MENTAL.
15:13:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
15:13:07 BUT I AM GLAD WE ARE IN THE RATE STEP TO MOVE BECAUSE I
15:13:10 THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE KEY TO THIS PROCESS.
15:13:13 MR. MIRANDA, ANYTHING, SIR?
15:13:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, NO, THANK YOU.
15:13:16 I JUST WANT TO THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE REST OF
15:13:19 THE STAFF FOR PUT IT TOGETHER AND DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

15:13:23 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:13:23 AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
15:13:29 CAN'T MACH JUDGMENTS -- VERY WELL DONE WITH YOUR STAFF.
15:13:38 DR. THOMPSON AND THE REST OF YOU.
15:13:42 HOPEFULLY IT WORKS OUT FOR THE BEST AND EVERYBODY IS
15:13:44 SATISFIED.
15:13:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU WANT TO PUT A MOTION ON THE
15:13:48 FLOOR?
15:13:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:13:50 FILE NUMBER PS 21-69-437.
15:13:55 I WILL MOVE THAT RESOLUTION.
15:13:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED IT.
15:14:00 MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
15:14:04 ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
15:14:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
15:14:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
15:14:09 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
15:14:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
15:14:11 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
15:14:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
15:14:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
15:14:14 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
15:14:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
15:14:24 ITEM NUMBER 42.
15:14:25 STAFF.

15:14:28 CHIEF, ARE YOU DOING THIS OR IS LEGAL DOING IT FIRST?
15:14:48 I THINK LEGAL IS SUPPOSED TO TALK ON THE CHARTER ISSUE.
15:14:51 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
15:15:00 HERE REPRESENTING THE ADMINISTRATION SPECIFICALLY, MAYOR
15:15:03 CASTOR, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOME APPOINTMENTS TO
15:15:07 CITY COUNCIL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONFIRM.
15:15:11 BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, MAYBE MR. SHELBY
15:15:14 CAN HELP ME, AND MS. ZELMAN CAN HELP ME THAT THERE WAS A
15:15:18 SUBSTITUTE SUBMITTED.
15:15:18 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WE SUBMITTED A AMENDMENT YESTERDAY TO ADD
15:15:34 SHERISHA HILLS AS DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION
15:15:35 DEPARTMENT TO THE OTHER NEW APPOINTEES.
15:15:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE THE CHIEF GOT STARTED, I PULLED
15:15:45 THIS ITEM FOR CLARITY.
15:15:47 AS YOU REMEMBER, CHIEF TRIPP HAD HER SITUATION, HAD TO RUSH
15:15:51 TO GET THAT DONE, AND IT'S NO SLAP ON THE CURRENT
15:15:54 ADMINISTRATION.
15:15:55 LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR.
15:15:57 IT'S A MATTER OF THINGS BEING OUT OF BALANCE AND WE HAVE
15:16:03 ALWAYS DONE IT THIS WAY VERSUS DOING WHAT POLICY SAYS WE
15:16:06 SHOULD DO.
15:16:06 SO IT'S NO SLIGHT OF ANY CANDIDATE THAT'S BEING APPOINTED.
15:16:10 IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE PROCESS AND THE POLICY NOT BEING
15:16:14 CONSISTENT AND FOLLOW WHAT THE BOOKS SAID.
15:16:16 SO AS THE CHAIRMAN, I AM A POLICY GUY.

15:16:22 CHIEF IS A POLICY GUY.
15:16:23 SO IS THE MAYOR.
15:16:24 THEY MAKE POLICIES.
15:16:25 AND WE FOLLOW POLICY.
15:16:26 AND FOR ME, WHEN I SEE OUR CURRENT SITUATION THAT'S
15:16:30 OCCURRING, AND COUNCIL IS IN THE DARK AND WE GET CALLS, AND
15:16:34 AS THE CHAIRMAN, I HAVE TO ACT UPON THOSE TO GET
15:16:36 INFORMATION.
15:16:37 SO THAT'S WHY I PULLED THIS ITEM TO ASK QUESTIONS REGARDLESS
15:16:42 OF WHAT OUR CHARTER SAYS, WHY WE ARE DOING THIS VERSUS WHAT
15:16:44 THE CHARTER SAYS, AND THAT'S WHY MR. SHELBY SENT THAT MEMO
15:16:48 OUT.
15:16:49 WE WILL GET THROUGH THE APPOINTMENTS.
15:16:51 I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE AN ISSUE WITH THE APPOINTMENTS
15:16:53 BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH NUTS AND BOLTS HOW WE
15:16:56 WILL PROCEED DOWN THE ROAD WITH APPOINTMENTS COMING TO THIS
15:16:59 COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
15:17:00 >> THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR STAFF.
15:17:03 AND I WILL LET MR. BENNETT GO, MS. ZELMAN, AND MR. SHELBY
15:17:08 CAN CHIME IN.
15:17:09 >>JOHN BENNETT: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
15:17:12 I HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
15:17:13 ONE, WE COULD DO ONE CONFIRMATION CANDIDATE AT A TIME, LET
15:17:18 HIM OR HER COME UP AND BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, GIVE A
15:17:22 FIVE-SECOND CURRICULUM VITAE OR IN THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE

15:17:30 SECTOR, AND IF YOU WANT THEM TO COME ONE AT A TIME OR WOULD
15:17:33 YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM ALL THREE AND MAKE YOUR DECISION IN
15:17:36 THE GROUP?
15:17:37 WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
15:17:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK I WILL GO AROUND, AT LEAST FOR ME,
15:17:43 I THINK WE HEAR -- FROM THE CANDIDATE, HEAR THEM OUT AND
15:17:48 MAKE THE APPOINTMENT, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL GO INTO
15:17:50 THE POLICY, HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE THAT'S
15:17:54 COMING BEFORE COUNCIL.
15:17:56 >>JOHN BENNETT: SOUND GREAT.
15:17:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU ARE THE BUS.
15:18:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
15:18:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT TO ALSO ADD, COUNCIL, THAT --
15:18:07 AND MS. ZELMAN CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT IT -- OR THE
15:18:10 ADMINISTRATION -- CONTAINED IN THIS RESOLUTION ALSO IS
15:18:13 RELATIVE TO WAIVER OF THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS A
15:18:16 SECTION OF THE CHARTER.
15:18:17 I THINK THAT'S STILL IN THE SUBSTITUTE.
15:18:20 AND AS YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE
15:18:23 CHARTER SAYS, AND THE EFFECT, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN
15:18:28 PREVIOUS EXTENSIONS OF THAT POLICY IN THE CHARTER, PREVIOUS
15:18:33 WAIVERS GRANTED AND WHAT ULTIMATELY THE EFFECT OF THAT IS,
15:18:38 SO COUNCIL IS APPRAISED OF IT.
15:18:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S DO THIS, MR. SHELBY.
15:18:43 AGAIN, WE'LL GO AHEAD SO WE CAN GET THOSE FOCUS OUT OF HERE

15:18:46 AND THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH THE BUSINESS AT HAND OF THE CHARTER
15:18:49 ISSUES, OF THE RESIDENCY AND ALSO HOW IT SHOULD BE MADE WITH
15:18:58 THE COUNCIL.
15:18:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CAN DO IT INDIVIDUALLY BUT ULTIMATELY
15:19:02 IT'S ALL CONTAINED IN A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE
15:19:04 VOTE TO EITHER MOVE THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THAT ACTION.
15:19:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CORRECT.
15:19:13 AGAIN, CHIEF, YOU CAN DO ONE AT A TIME, AND WE'LL GONE WITH
15:19:16 THE WHOLE RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT IS ONE PACKET.
15:19:19 AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.
15:19:20 AND THEN THEY CAN GO AFTER THAT AND DEAL WITH IT AFTER THAT.
15:19:24 >>JOHN BENNETT: AND TODAY, OBVIOUSLY, OUR THREE
15:19:28 CONFIRMATION CANDIDATES APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, THIS IS A
15:19:31 GREAT MOMENT FOR THEM.
15:19:32 I KNOW WE HAVE THE MOMENT OF COUNCIL AND THE PROCESS PIECE
15:19:37 BUT IT'S ALSO A VERY GOOD MOMENT FOR THEM.
15:19:39 AND I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR TO START IN THE PROCESSES OF
15:19:45 SENIORITY SO I WOULD FIRST HAVE MS. ADRIANA-COLINA COME UP
15:19:54 AND TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT HERSELF.
15:19:57 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
15:20:00 ADRIANA-COLINA, 32-VETERAN WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, MY
15:20:09 BACKGROUND IS HR PUBLIC RELATIONS, COMMUNICATIONS, AND
15:20:12 REALLY COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
15:20:17 PRIOR TO BEING GIVEN THE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE AS THE DIRECTOR
15:20:20 OF THE LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA

15:20:24 I SERVED WITH THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT WHERE I WORKED WITH
15:20:26 MANY OF YOU AND WORKED OVER ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR THE SOLID
15:20:30 WASTE DEPARTMENT.
15:20:32 I AM PROUD TO HAVE SERVED THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR SO MANY
15:20:35 YEARS AND GIVEN MY BEST.
15:20:36 I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO GIVE YOU ALL AND GIVE
15:20:40 TAMPA ALL THAT I HAVE.
15:20:42 THIS IS MY HOMETOWN, AND I LIVE IN THE DREAM TOWN.
15:20:46 THANK YOU.
15:20:46 >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
15:20:53 YOU STARTED WHEN YOU WERE TEN?
15:20:54 >> YES.
15:20:56 I FORGOT ONE THING.
15:20:57 2018 TAMPA HISPANIC WOMAN OF THE YEAR.
15:20:59 [ APPLAUSE ]
15:21:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
15:21:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HEARD HER 12 YEARS AGO.
15:21:09 YOU COULDN'T ASK FOR A BETTER PERSON.
15:21:11 SHE HAS MY ENDORSEMENT.
15:21:15 THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
15:21:16 >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
15:21:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
15:21:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ARE SO PROUD OF YOU, ALL YOU HAVE
15:21:33 DONE OVER THE YEARS, WHAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
15:21:35 I THINK YOU SHOULD GIVE A SHOUTOUT IN SPANISH BECAUSE IT'S

15:21:38 ALWAYS SO ELOQUENT WHEN YOU DO.
15:21:40 BUT CONGRATULATIONS.
15:21:41 >> ADRIANA-COLINA.
15:21:48 (SPEAKING SPANISH)
15:21:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOT IT.
15:21:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU.
15:21:59 AND WE ARE VERY PROUD OF HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS WELL.
15:22:01 I KNOW IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO SEE HER STEP INTO THIS ROLE.
15:22:05 AND I WITNESSED FROM THE SIDELINE, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW
15:22:13 QUICK MS. COLINA RESPONDED TO ALL OF OUR PROJECTS IN
15:22:18 REALTIME ESPECIALLY AFTER COVID CONDITIONS.
15:22:20 SO WE ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HER ABILITIES IN SERVING
15:22:23 THE PUBLIC IN OUR INTERNAL SERVICES.
15:22:26 NEXT, I AM HONORED TO BRING UP SHERISHA HILLS WHO HAS BEEN
15:22:30 APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AS THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND
15:22:34 RECREATION.
15:22:35 ALSO IN THE SCHEME OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC WORKS, OUR
15:22:39 PARKS ARE ONE OF THE MOST FORWARD FACING DEPARTMENTS, THAT
15:22:42 SERVE THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE VERY HONORED TO PRESENT YOU
15:22:44 THAN MS. HILL.
15:22:46 >> SHARISH HILLS: LIKE HER, RAISED IN TAMPA, NOTRE DAME,
15:23:02 PLAYED A LITTLE BIT OF BASKETBALL, BUT I GREW UP IN THE
15:23:05 PARKS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, WENT TO CITY OF PARKS REC,
15:23:10 SUPERVISOR, PROJECT, SERVICE COORDINATOR, TO NOW DIRECTOR OF
15:23:16 PARKS AND RECOLLECTION.

15:23:17 HOME IS WHERE THE HEART IS.
15:23:18 THIS IS HOME.
15:23:19 I'M HAPPY, HUMBLED AND HONORED TO HAVE THIS.
15:23:24 THANK YOU.
15:23:24 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK
15:23:30 OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
15:23:32 THE CONSTITUENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA AS THE REST OF THE CITY
15:23:35 REALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR PARKS AND FEEL PASSIONATELY AND WANT
15:23:39 THEM TO IN GREAT CONDITION.
15:23:40 AND I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE AND CARE AND THEY LOVE
15:23:44 WORKING WITH YOU.
15:23:45 SO THANK YOU.
15:23:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THINK ALL MY HARD WORK PAID OFF WHENEVER
15:23:49 I SAW THE MAYOR AND WHISPERED IN HER EAR, SHARISH HILL.
15:23:56 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
15:23:57 YOU HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET TO WHERE YOU ARE AT.
15:23:59 I AM SO PROUD OF YOU.
15:24:00 CONGRATULATIONS.
15:24:01 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:24:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO THANK BOTH.
15:24:09 I TALKED TO MS. CORINA OUTSIDE, ADRIANA.
15:24:14 AND I HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH YOU, MS. HILL.
15:24:16 >> YES, SIR.
15:24:19 I'M ON IT.
15:24:20 IF I CAN SHOOT THE BOAR I'LL BE GOOD BUT THAT'S OKAY.

15:24:22 I'M GOOD.
15:24:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE'LL HAVE MR. BENNETT BE THE REFEREE.
15:24:27 >> YOU DO IT.
15:24:30 I'M STILL GOING TO BET ON HIM.
15:24:31 I GOT HIM.
15:24:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HEARD YOU WORKED THROUGH THE SYSTEM
15:24:37 AND THAT'S AN HONOR.
15:24:38 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
15:24:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS.
15:24:46 THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT YOU FROM DAY ONE.
15:24:49 THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS DAY.
15:24:51 AND IT'S IN A SLATE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT ARE HERE
15:24:54 TODAY.
15:24:54 BUT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO
15:24:58 BRING YOU TO THIS COUNCIL FOR US.
15:25:00 BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AND THE FOLKS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT SEE WHAT
15:25:05 YOU ARE DOING.
15:25:09 SOME OF THE OTHER GUYS, THEY SIT IN THE OFFICE ALL DAY AND
15:25:13 PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
15:25:14 YOU ARE OUT THERE.
15:25:15 YOU ARE WITH THE KIDS, PARENTS, COMMUNITY.
15:25:18 THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IN THEIR LEADERS.
15:25:21 NOT SIT IN AN OFFICE SOMEWHERE AND DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING
15:25:23 ON.
15:25:24 AND I KNOW YOU DO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE YOU ARE OUT

15:25:27 THERE.
15:25:27 I HEAR FROM THE EMPLOYEES.
15:25:29 EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN CALLING US.
15:25:32 MANAGERS HAVE BEEN CALLING US.
15:25:34 SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB.
15:25:36 SO WE HEAR THESE THINGS.
15:25:39 I MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT.
15:25:40 I TOLD MR. BENNETT, WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON?
15:25:43 WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON?
15:25:44 SO I AM GLAD THIS WAS DONE.
15:25:46 IT NEEDED TO BE DONE.
15:25:48 I'M PROUD OF YOU.
15:25:50 THIS COMMUNITY, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE THE FIRST
15:25:54 AFRICAN FIRE CHIEF WHO HAS DONE A HELL OF A JOB FROM DAY
15:25:58 ONE.
15:26:00 NOW WE HAVE AN AFRICAN -- 80%, 90% AFRICAN?
15:26:11 SO PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CITY.
15:26:14 TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH OUR TWO HOURS -- THAT'S WHAT
15:26:21 PEOPLE WANT TO SEE.
15:26:22 THEY 2021 SEE CHANGE.
15:26:25 I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU.
15:26:26 YOU WORKED YOUR WAY.
15:26:28 AND AGAIN, IT'S A LONG TIME COMING.
15:26:30 I'M GLAD THAT THE CHIEF AND OCEA AND THE MAYOR MADE THE
15:26:34 DECISION TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

15:26:35 I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS DAY.
15:26:38 CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU DO.
15:26:39 THANK YOU, SHARISHA.
15:26:44 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
15:26:45 [ APPLAUSE ]
15:26:48 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
15:26:50 THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
15:26:51 A TOTAL POSTSCRIPT ON SHARISHA BESIDES THE WONDERFUL THINGS
15:26:56 YOU HEARD, I HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE SOME MEETINGS OUT IN IT
15:26:58 COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY UNDER BUDGET DEVELOPMENT.
15:27:00 I WANT TO HEAR SOME THINGS AT THE GROUND LEVEL ABOUT SOME OF
15:27:02 THE PASSION AS WE DEVELOP THE FY 22 BUDGET.
15:27:06 AND I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO INTERFACE WITH SOME OF THE
15:27:09 NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS THAT HAVE A HIGH SENSE OF COMMUNITY
15:27:12 AROUND OUR PARKS.
15:27:13 AND I CAN TELL YOU THE GRANULARITY THAT MS. HILLS HAS
15:27:17 PROVIDED IN UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE SHE GREW UP IN THE PARKS,
15:27:22 FAMILIES USE THE PARKS, SO THERE'S THIS TACTILE
15:27:26 UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND THAT'S REALLY
15:27:29 GOING TO BE A GUAM CHANGER FOR US.
15:27:31 I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF FIRSTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING THROUGH
15:27:34 BASED ON THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND COUNCIL'S
15:27:36 CONFIRMATION.
15:27:36 BUT I WANT TO SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST,
15:27:39 TOO.

15:27:40 THESE ARE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
15:27:42 AND MRS. HILLS WOULDN'T THROUGH A RIGOROUS REVIEW AGAINST
15:27:45 NATIONWIDE CANDIDATES THAT WERE SUBMITTED OVER THE OPEN
15:27:48 OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR THIS POSITION.
15:27:50 AND SO THAT VETTING PROCESS IS A TESTIMONY TO HER, HER
15:27:55 ABILITIES.
15:27:59 AND WE ACTUALLY LIFTED SOME CANDIDATES FROM A PREVIOUS
15:28:02 RECRUITMENT THAT HAD A LOT OF PARKS BACKGROUND, AND MRS.
15:28:07 HILLS JUST LIKE SHE DID IN BASKETBALL WHIPPED THEM ALL.
15:28:12 I AM A LITTLE BIASED ON THE NOTRE DAME THING.
15:28:17 OUR LAST CONFIRMATION RECOMMENDATION IS MR. ADAM SMITH.
15:28:23 AS COUNCIL KNOWS, THE MAYOR REALLY WANTED TO EXAMINE THE
15:28:27 COMMUNICATIONS PROCESS IN THIS CITY.
15:28:31 PENETRATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
15:28:32 THIS IS NOT FIRST TIME COUNCIL AND YOU HAVE HAD THESE
15:28:35 DISCUSSIONS.
15:28:36 WE HAVE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THINGS WITH SERVICE LEVEL
15:28:39 AGREEMENTS, AND THERE'S JUST NOTHING THAT TAKES THE PLACE OF
15:28:41 GOOD LEADERSHIP, AND A GOOD STRATEGY AROUND COMMUNICATIONS.
15:28:46 WITH THAT PROCESS, WE ARE PROUD TO BRING MR. ADAM SMITH TO
15:28:50 THE LECTERN AND LET HIM INTRODUCE HIMSELF.
15:28:52 >> ADAM SMITH: I'M SORRY IT'S A LET DOWN FOR ME TO COME UP
15:29:00 AFTER THOSE TWO.
15:29:01 IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.
15:29:02 I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR ABOUT A WEEK.

15:29:05 AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME HOW DO I LIKE THE JOB,
15:29:08 ALL I SAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THAT THE STAFF, WITHOUT
15:29:12 EXCEPTION, THE WORK ETHIC AND THE PASSION AND THE COMMITMENT
15:29:16 IS PHENOMENAL.
15:29:18 AS I HAVE BEEN GETTING TO KNOW PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE
15:29:20 ORGANIZATION, AND YOU ALL SHOULD, AND I AM SURE YOU ARE ALL
15:29:24 PROUD.
15:29:25 SO I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
15:29:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ASK SINCE I'M THE
15:29:32 CHAIRMAN.
15:29:33 FROM DAY ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNICATION.
15:29:36 FROM DAY ONE.
15:29:37 AND THE COMMUNICATION PERSON IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY.
15:29:45 THIS COUNCIL IS A PART OF THE CITY.
15:29:49 WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, THERE ARE
15:29:54 THINGS WE WANT TO GET OUT.
15:29:56 WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT
15:30:01 AS WELL.
15:30:04 THIS DOWNFALL COUNCIL WANTS THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WE ARE DOING
15:30:07 THIS WELL, OUR WEBSITE, WE HAVE TO CALL ABOUT UPDATES AND
15:30:10 THINGS LIKE THAT.
15:30:11 SO I AM HOPING THAT WE HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF COMMUNICATION
15:30:14 TO ALL OF OUR NEED.
15:30:16 I CAN TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT SITUATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
15:30:18 WE GET CALLS.

15:30:19 WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
15:30:21 I AM HOPING THAT THE PHILOSOPHY WILL CHANGE.
15:30:23 I'M HOPING THAT YOU BRING A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY TO THAT
15:30:26 DEPARTMENT TO WHERE WE CAN GET NOTIFIED WHEN THINGS HAPPEN.
15:30:31 WE HAD A BIG FIRE DOWNTOWN, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
15:30:33 HAD MULTIPLE SHOOTINGS.
15:30:35 DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
15:30:36 SO I AM HOPING THAT SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION PEOPLE AT THE
15:30:39 FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE, SOMEHOW IT INTERTWINES, SO THIS
15:30:43 COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE CITY AS WELL, BECAUSE
15:30:46 HONESTLY WE HAVE A MAYOR, BUT PEOPLE NOTIFY THIS COUNCIL,
15:30:51 FIRST E-MAIL THIS COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY THINK WE ARE THE
15:30:53 FIRST LINE.
15:30:54 SO I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN GET A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY IN THE
15:30:57 OFFICE.
15:30:58 AGAIN, WELCOME ABOARD.
15:30:59 >> THANK YOU.
15:31:00 AND I AM EAGER TO HEAR ALL YOUR IDEAS FOR HOW WE CAN
15:31:04 IMPROVE.
15:31:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
15:31:05 MR. CARLSON.
15:31:06 >>BILL CARLSON: I WON'T REPEAT EVERYTHING HE JUST SAID BUT
15:31:11 FROM A CONSTITUENT POINT OF VIEW WE ARE ALL THE SAME.
15:31:13 THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR.
15:31:15 IF ONE OF US GETS BLAMED, THEY ARE MAD AT ALL OF US.

15:31:18 AND WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT CONSTITUENTS
15:31:22 NOT BEING INFORMED FROM RATE INCREASES TO PUBLIC MEETINGS
15:31:26 THAT ARE COMING UP TO TEARING UP ROADWAYS.
15:31:31 A LOT OF TIMES WE GET PRESS RELEASES THAT ARE AT LEAST SENT
15:31:34 TO US BUT WE GET THEM AT 9:00 AND THE RESIDENTS AT 8:00 SO
15:31:39 IT'S TOO LATE FOR US TO NOTIFY.
15:31:40 WE HAVE OUR ONLY OWN CHANNELS WE CAN USE, AND THE MORE TOOLS
15:31:43 YOU GIVE US, THINK OF US AS A COMMUNICATION PARTNER WITH THE
15:31:46 MAYOR AND STAFF, THE MORE WE CAN HELP ALL OF US DO A BETTER
15:31:50 JOB, BECAUSE I KNOW THE MAYOR, CHIEF OF STAFF AND OTHERS IS
15:31:54 TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY AND TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY TO
15:31:57 MAKE SURE WE ARE LIVING UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS AND VISION OF
15:31:59 THE COMMUNITY.
15:32:00 SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
15:32:01 AND ALSO, I HAVE KNOWN ADAM FOR A LONG TIME.
15:32:03 AND HE WAS WITH THE TIMES.
15:32:05 HE WAS A REPORTER AND AN EDITOR.
15:32:07 AND VERY WELL EXPECTED AT THE TIMES.
15:32:10 AND IN THE COMMUNITY.
15:32:11 AND THEN HE WORKED FOR AN INTERNATIONAL PR FIRM SO HE HAS
15:32:14 THAT EXPERTISE OF BEING ABLE TO LOOK SYSTEMICALLY AT
15:32:18 COMMUNICATION.
15:32:19 I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
15:32:21 WE THINK REALLY THE CITY HAS A 1.2 OR WHATEVER BILLION
15:32:25 DOLLAR COMPANY FROM THE COMMUNICATION POINT OF VIEW AND HAS

15:32:28 LOTS OF MOVING PARTS WITH LOTS OF CONSTITUENTS TO
15:32:30 COMMUNICATE WITH AND HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WILL DO A
15:32:33 GREAT JOB.
15:32:33 THANK YOU.
15:32:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
15:32:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM JUST HOMING THAT ALL OF US WILL FORGET
15:32:42 ANYTHING THAT ADAM WROTE ABOUT US PRAYER IN THE NEWSPAPERS.
15:32:48 WELCOME ABOARD.
15:32:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ADAM, WELCOME.
15:32:52 SO IT'S AN INTERESTING TRANSITION, AND I HAVE SEEN SOME OF
15:32:57 YOUR FELLOW JOURNALISTS TO GO IN-HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF
15:33:00 THIS IS YOUR FIRST SHOT TRULY IN-HOUSE.
15:33:05 BUT I AM JUST CURIOUS PHILOSOPHICALLY WHAT SORT OF THOUGHTS
15:33:09 YOU HAVE BEEN HAVING ABOUT THAT MOVE, JUST THE IDEA OF
15:33:15 TRANSITIONING FROM COVERING CITY HALL TO BEING PART OF CITY
15:33:19 HALL.
15:33:20 >> I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S SEAMLESS. MY CAREER STARTED
15:33:25 COVERING LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN A LITTLE TINY TOWN.
15:33:28 AND SO I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SORT OF A IDEALIST ABOUT
15:33:33 GOVERNMENT, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN GOVERNMENT.
15:33:36 SO I THINK IT'S PERFECT, A SEAMLESS TRANSITION.
15:33:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GREAT.
15:33:41 >> JUST TELLING THE STORIES.
15:33:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
15:33:47 THERE ARE A LOT OF STORIES FROM THIS BODY THAT, AS

15:33:52 MR. CHAIRMAN HAS INDICATED, THAT DON'T GET TOLD.
15:33:56 AND SHOULD GET TOLD.
15:33:59 AND YOU SAT HERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF HOURS, JUST WATCHING
15:34:03 THE MANE MANY ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.
15:34:07 AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GET OUT, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO
15:34:14 WORKING WITH YOU TO CHANGE THAT.
15:34:15 >> ABSOLUTELY.
15:34:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
15:34:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
15:34:24 (SPEAKING SPANISH)
15:34:26 >> OH-OH.
15:34:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SAW YOU EARLY IN THE MORNING.
15:34:34 I THOUGHT YOU WORKED FAST.
15:34:36 ONLY JOKING.
15:34:37 BUT NOT ONLY WRITE ABOUT YOURSELF WHEN YOU HEAR THIS
15:34:41 GOVERNMENT YOU CAN GO BACK IN THE MANY ARTICLES YOU WROTE
15:34:44 AND SEE HOW RIGHT OR WRONG OR MAYBE NOT SO RIGHT.
15:34:47 >> I DON'T THINK I WANT TO DO THAT.
15:34:50 THANK YOU.
15:34:50 [ LAUGHTER ]
15:34:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CONGRATULATIONS.
15:34:54 >> THANK YOU.
15:34:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, THIS BEING IN YOUR COMMITTEE.
15:34:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM HONORED TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 42.
15:35:05 SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON THE ITEM JUST CONFIRMING THE THREE

15:35:08 INDIVIDUALS THAT SPOKE EARLIER TODAY.
15:35:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
15:35:14 ROLL CALL PLEASE.
15:35:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
15:35:18 CONGRATULATIONS.
15:35:19 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
15:35:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
15:35:23 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
15:35:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THREE NEW MEMBERS TO THE FAMILY.
15:35:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
15:35:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
15:35:29 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
15:35:30 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND CHIEF BENNETT
15:35:37 AND OTHERS.
15:35:38 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I READ ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS
15:35:40 THAT YOU REALLY HAVE BROUGHT IN, AS YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER,
15:35:43 A TOP NOTCH TEAM OF PEOPLE.
15:35:46 EVERYBODY THAT YOU ALL BROUGHT IN AT THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP
15:35:50 AND OTHERS IS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND I THINK WE ALL OUGHT TO
15:35:53 BRAG ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION MORE, AND THEN CALL THE PEOPLE
15:35:56 THAT YOU ARE BRINGING ON, AND THEN THE DILIGENCE THAT
15:35:59 EVERYBODY TAKES IN MAKING SURE WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS
15:36:02 AND WE ARE SOLVING THE PROBLEMS OF CONSTITUENTS.
15:36:04 THANK YOU.
15:36:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

15:36:12 WE MOVE ON TO MS. ZELMAN AND MR. BENNETT IN REFERENCE TO THE
15:36:19 ACTUAL CHARTER POLICY, AND THE ACTUAL RESIDENCY POLICY.
15:36:31 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: JUST TO CLARIFY, THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU
15:36:48 JUST APPROVED, THERE WERE TWO CHARTER PROVISIONS REFERENCED
15:36:53 THEREIN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT.
15:36:56 ONE IS SECTION 6.03, WHICH PROVIDES THAT 90 DAYS AFTER
15:37:04 TAKING OFFICE OR 90 DAYS AFTER A VACANCY OCCURS, THE MAYOR
15:37:08 IS TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO SERVE AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR THE
15:37:14 EQUIVALENT THEREOF, AND THEN SUBMIT THAT NAME TO THE CITY
15:37:20 COUNCIL FOR CONFIRMATION BY A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL,
15:37:24 AND I WOULD NOTE THAT PRIOR TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
15:37:29 ON WHICH WE ALL SERVE, THE MAYOR ONLY HAS 30 DAYS TO DO
15:37:35 THAT.
15:37:35 NOW IT'S 90 DAYS.
15:37:38 BUT ALSO PROVIDES THAT IF THE COUNCIL DOES NOT CONFIRM THE
15:37:46 APPOINTMENT OF THE MAYOR, AND THEN THE MAYOR HAS ANOTHER 90
15:37:50 DAYS TO EITHER SUBMIT A NEW NAME OR RESUBMIT A NAME THAT WAS
15:37:55 JUST APPROVED.
15:37:57 AND AGAIN THAT WAS SHORTENED.
15:38:01 IT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE MAYOR ONLY HAD 15 DAYS TO DO THAT
15:38:06 AFTER DISAPPROVAL.
15:38:07 NOW SHE HAS 90.
15:38:09 ADDED THAT TIME IN WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
15:38:12 AND THEN WITH THE CHARTER CHANGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY
15:38:14 THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND I BELIEVE THE OTHER PART

15:38:19 YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, SECTION 6.01, WHICH IS THAT PART OF
15:38:23 THE CHARTER THAT PROVIDES THAT DEPARTMENT HEADS OR
15:38:27 ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY EQUAL TO OR
15:38:31 GREATER THAN A DEPARTMENT HEAD, MUST BE RESIDENT OF THE
15:38:37 CITY.
15:38:39 PREVIOUSLY, THE CHARTER JUST SAID THAT AND WAS SILENT.
15:38:48 THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AND THE VOTERS
15:38:50 APPROVED A PROCESS WHEREBY A DEPARTMENT HEAD COULD KEEP A
15:38:56 WAIVER OF THAT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR ONE YEAR, AND THEN
15:39:02 COULD REQUEST TWO SUBSEQUENT EXTENSIONS OF THAT REQUIREMENT,
15:39:07 WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
15:39:10 YOU HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUAL WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN GRANTED
15:39:13 RESIDENCY WAIVERS, WHO ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE-YEAR
15:39:17 EXTENSION.
15:39:18 >>BILL CARLSON: SOME OF US SERVED ON THAT COMMISSION
15:39:24 TOGETHER.
15:39:25 THAT ISSUE WAS RAISED BECAUSE OF A PARTICULAR SITUATION IN
15:39:31 THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, WHICH I WON'T GO THROUGH.
15:39:33 MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WILL.
15:39:38 AND THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT ARE IN THERE.
15:39:39 BUT AS I JUST MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, WE HAVE VERY GOOD
15:39:42 STAFF NOW, AND AT LEAST ONE OF THEM SITTING OVER THERE, AND
15:39:46 WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
15:39:50 THE CHARTER WON'T ALLOW US TO EXTEND IT.
15:39:52 ARE WE GOING TO LOSE PEOPLE IF THEY CAN'T MOVE?

15:40:00 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I DON'T KNOW.
15:40:01 THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION WHICH SOME OF US HAVE ALSO
15:40:05 PONDERED.
15:40:07 AND AS YOU KNOW, WE SERVED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
15:40:11 TOGETHER.
15:40:12 I WAS AMONG THOSE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT
15:40:15 AGREED WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS MICHAEL STEVENS WHO HAD SERVED
15:40:20 AS AN HR DIRECTOR AT USF THAT ADVOCATED FOR DOING AWAY WITH
15:40:25 THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IN HIS OPINION, AND I
15:40:29 TEND TO AGREE, IT REALLY LIMITS THE ABILITY TO HIRE THE BEST
15:40:33 AND THE BRIGHTEST WHEN WE ARE NO LONGER LIVING IN THE KIND
15:40:37 OF SOCIETY WHERE THERE'S JUST A SINGLE BREADWINNER IN THE
15:40:40 HOUSE AND ALL THAT.
15:40:41 WE NOW HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU MAY HAVE A
15:40:44 MARRIED COUPLE WHERE THE HUSBAND WORKS IN HILLSBOROUGH
15:40:47 COUNTY, THE WAIVE WORKS IN SARASOTA COUNTY, THEY WANT TO
15:40:49 LIVE IN APOLLO BEACH, TO LIVE HALFWAY IN BETWEEN.
15:40:53 YOU HAVE PEOPLE CARRYING FOR ELDERLY RELATIVES.
15:40:56 YOU HAVE PEOPLE CARING FOR GRANDCHILDREN.
15:40:57 THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE NEAR THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS.
15:41:00 THEY HAVE KIDS IN A PARTICULAR SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY WANT TO
15:41:03 BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE.
15:41:07 YOU HAVE A SITUATION RIGHT NOW IN TAMPA WHERE THE COST OF
15:41:10 HOMES AND APARTMENTS HAVE JUST RISEN PHENOMENAL, AND IS IT
15:41:17 REALLY TRULY NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN A CITY?

15:41:21 I AM GETTING WELL OFF YOUR QUESTION, BUT AS YOU RECALL,
15:41:24 THOSE WERE THE ISSUES WE DISCUSSED AT THE CHARTER REVIEW
15:41:27 COMMISSION.
15:41:28 THOSE OF US THAT BELIEVE IN DOING AWAY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS
15:41:31 LOST, BUT IF YOU WILL, THE COMPROMISE THAT YOU MENTIONED
15:41:35 CAME UP WITH THIS PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE COULD AT LEAST GET
15:41:39 EXTENSIONS.
15:41:42 SHOULD THE COUNCIL WANT TO REVISIT THAT AND PERHAPS
15:41:45 RECOMMEND AMENDING THE CHARTER TO DO AWAY WITH THE RESIDENCY
15:41:49 REQUIREMENT, THAT WOULD BE ONE OPTION.
15:41:52 >>BILL CARLSON: BULL WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE A YEAR GAP.
15:41:54 AND I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, AND WE WERE
15:42:00 ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OR THINKING ABOUT WORSE CASE SCENARIO.
15:42:04 WELL, THIS IS THE BEST CASE SNARE WHERE WOO WE HAVE PEOPLE
15:42:07 WE REALLY 2021 KEEP BUT WE HAVE NO PLACE TO BY CHARTER, IS
15:42:10 THAT RIGHT?
15:42:12 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITIES TO GRANT
15:42:14 ANOTHER WAIVER AFTER THE THIRD ONE.
15:42:18 THAT'S CORRECT.
15:42:18 AFTER THE THIRD YEAR HAS EXPIRED.
15:42:20 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK AHEAD BECAUSE WE
15:42:25 COULD LOSE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE.
15:42:26 THEY WILL LEAVE MAYBE BEFORE THEN.
15:42:28 BUDGET WE DON'T HAVE ANY REMEDIES?
15:42:30 BECAUSE WE CAN'T AMEND THE CHARTER, I DON'T THINK, BEFORE

15:42:32 THEN EITHER.
15:42:38 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I AM TRYING TO DO THE MATH IN MY HEAD OF
15:42:40 WHEN THE ELECTION IS AND I BELIEVE YOU ARE CORRECT.
15:42:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
15:42:44 I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE REQUIREMENT WAS SILLY AND
15:42:50 ANACHRONISTIC.
15:42:52 AND FRANKLY WHEN I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF
15:42:55 DISCUSSING CHARTER ISSUES AND TWEAKS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
15:43:01 ONE.
15:43:01 I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO REQUIRE IMPORTANT DIRECTORS LIKE
15:43:06 THIS TO LIVE WITHIN 25 MINUTES OF THE CITY, OR 30 MINUTES OF
15:43:10 THE CITY OR SOMETHING.
15:43:11 OR 30 MILES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
15:43:13 BECAUSE WHEN AN EMERGENCY COMES UP, THEY CAN GET BACK HERE
15:43:17 QUICKLY.
15:43:18 BUT IF SOMEBODY CHOOSES TO LIVE ACROSS THE BRIDGE IN
15:43:23 ST. PETE OR WHATEVER, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES FINE WITH ME.
15:43:27 WE DON'T OWN PEOPLE 24/7.
15:43:29 AND IF THEY WANT TO GO HOME TO A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
15:43:32 COMMUNITY, EVEN LIVE IN TEMPLE TERRACE, WHAT'S THE
15:43:36 DIFFERENCE IF THEY LIVE IN TEMPLE TERRACE OR YOU LIVE IN NEW
15:43:39 TAMPA?
15:43:40 RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT, LUIS?
15:43:42 BUT IN REGARD TO THIS OTHER ISSUE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT,
15:43:48 6.03, ANDREA?

15:43:50 THE OTHER THING I THINK WE NEED TO TWEAK OR AT LEAST PROPOSE
15:43:54 TO THE VOTERS TO TWEAK IS THIS ISSUE THAT THE MAYOR
15:43:58 APPOINTS -- IT'S JUST STRANGE WORDING.
15:44:01 THE MAYOR APPOINTS DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND THEN WE CONFIRM
15:44:05 THEM.
15:44:06 WHICH JUST TO ME IS JUST BAD LANGUAGE.
15:44:09 TO ME IT SHOULD BE THE MAYOR NOMINATES THE DEPARTMENT HEADS,
15:44:13 ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND THEN WE CONFIRM, OR NOT CONFIRM.
15:44:18 BUT APPOINTMENT APPLIES IT, AND I KNOW WHOEVER WROTE THIS
15:44:25 AGES AGO DIDN'T MEAN THAT THE WAY BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S
15:44:29 SHAKEN OUT OVER THE YEARS.
15:44:30 SO THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF SEMANTICS.
15:44:32 I APPRECIATE MR. BENNETT, YOU AND THE MAYOR AGREEING TO THIS
15:44:39 PROCESS.
15:44:41 AND NOW YOU CAN AD ADD YOUR PARTIES AND YOUR CEREMONIES,
15:44:45 ET CETERA, AFTER WE CONFIRM.
15:44:48 I THINK IT JUST MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE.
15:44:50 WE APPRECIATE THAT.
15:44:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
15:44:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:45:04 UNDER THE RECORD REQUIREMENT ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
15:45:09 CONVERSATION WITH YOU, WHICH I AGREE WITH, WHEN IS THIS YEAR
15:45:13 THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?
15:45:14 WE REALLY ONLY HAVE A YEAR AND A HALF LOOK WHEN YOU LOOK AT
15:45:17 THREE YEARS, AND LESS THAN TWO YEARS.

15:45:20 I THINK THE ELECTION IS, WHAT, 2023 IN APRIL, AND MARCH,
15:45:25 SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
15:45:29 SO IF YOU GET FROM ONE YEAR, WHEN DOES IT START, WHEN DOES
15:45:32 IT END, AND HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU HAVE BEFORE THE TERM OF
15:45:35 FOUR YEARS ARE UP?
15:45:37 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WELL, TODAY, YOU APPROVED THE EXTENSION
15:45:42 FOR THE INDIVIDUALS NAMED IN THAT RESOLUTION, SO EFFECTIVE
15:45:45 TODAY, THEY EACH HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR, JULY 15th.
15:45:52 SO UNTIL JULY 15th, 2022.
15:45:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ABOUT NINE MONTHS THEN.
15:45:58 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU MANY PRAYER TO THE NEXT ELECTION.
15:46:01 CORRECT.
15:46:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO THIS IS THEIR SECOND YEAR THEN.
15:46:06 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT.
15:46:07 THEY JUST COMPLETED THEIR --
15:46:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT DOES RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT MEAN,
15:46:13 THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT?
15:46:14 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IT ACTUALLY SAYS RESIDE IN AND BE AN
15:46:17 ELECTOR OF THE CITY.
15:46:18 SO RESIDE WITHIN --
15:46:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: REQUIREMENT.
15:46:25 THANK YOU.
15:46:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
15:46:28 MS. ZELMAN, AS A PERSON WHO WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW, I
15:46:33 DIDN'T SUPPORT THE POLICE CHIEF LIVING WAY OUT SOMEPLACE.

15:46:38 AND OTHERS ON THE BOARD DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT EITHER.
15:46:40 BUT WE DID MAKE A COMPROMISE.
15:46:44 AND I SAID THIS WILL COME BACK TO BITE US BECAUSE IF YOU
15:46:47 LOOK AT IT, THE ADMINISTRATION IS FOUR YEARS.
15:46:52 HOW DOES THAT BALANCE OUT?
15:46:54 IT DOESN'T.
15:46:56 AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A PICKLE, GENTLEMEN.
15:46:59 BECAUSE THERE IS A RULE IN PLACE THAT WE MAY NOT CAN CHANGE
15:47:05 TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE GOOD PEOPLE THAT WE WANT BECAUSE
15:47:11 IT'S IN PLACE.
15:47:12 SO WHEN WE GET DOWN TO, MR. SHELBY, OUR CHARTER WORKSHOP, IS
15:47:19 IT SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT GOING FORWARD
15:47:22 DEFINITELY?
15:47:23 MS. ZELMAN, THE 90 DAYS, WHEN I HEARD THE 90 DAYS, I KNOW
15:47:27 YOU PUT THAT IN THE FIRST AND THIRD.
15:47:31 VACANCY BECOMES AVAILABLE.
15:47:32 THE MAYOR HAS 90 DAYS TO FILL THAT VACANCY.
15:47:35 CORRECT?
15:47:36 IS THAT HOW IT READS?
15:47:37 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IT READS -- AND I'M SORRY, I WILL QUOTE
15:47:43 THE RECORD RATHER THAN TRYING TO PARAPHRASE.
15:47:49 IT SAYS THE MAYOR WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER TAKING OFFICE, OR
15:47:53 AFTER A VACANCY SHALL EXIST, SHALL APPOINT AND SUBMIT TO THE
15:47:58 CITY COUNCIL FOR CONFIRMATION BY NO FEWER THAN FOUR VOTES OF
15:48:02 THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, HEAD OF DEPARTMENTS AND ANY

15:48:05 ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL WITH ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY OR
15:48:10 RESPONSIBILITY EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THAT OF THE
15:48:12 DEPARTMENT HEAD.
15:48:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO THE MAYOR JUST GOT ELECTED, OR RATHER A
15:48:19 VACANCY OCCURRED WHILE SHE'S IN OFFICE, 90 DAYS APPLIES.
15:48:23 CORRECT?
15:48:23 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: 930 DAYS TO APPOINT SOMEONE AND SENT THAT
15:48:30 NAME TO CITY COUNCIL.
15:48:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THIS IS GOOD SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND
15:48:33 WHAT THAT POLICY IS, WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
15:48:35 WE HAVE GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON SOME OF THESE.
15:48:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
15:48:38 BUT NOW I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW IS I THINK COUNCIL FEELS
15:48:43 COMFORTABLE NOW, I THINK THE PROCESS KIND OF WORKED TODAY TO
15:48:46 WHERE THE CHIEF BROUGHT THOSE NOMINEES TO THIS COUNCIL, WE
15:48:49 WERE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
15:48:50 SO SOMEBODY THAT ASKED A QUESTION THEY DIDN'T LIKE, BUT I
15:48:56 THINK THAT'S THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR
15:48:58 CONFIRMATION, IS THE MAYOR SUBMITS THAT NAME, AND SHE GIVES
15:49:03 IT THE BENEFIT, YOU NEED TO -- SUBMIT THIS NAME AND SAY TAKE
15:49:09 THIS PERSON AROUND TO COUNCIL AND UNDERSTAND IN CASE THIS
15:49:11 COUNCILMAN HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE, SO THAT PERSON
15:49:15 KNOWS THAT COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR CERTAIN THINGS, NOT JUST A
15:49:20 VOTE ON SOMETHING.
15:49:21 EVEN THOUGH YOU WANT TO GET PEOPLE YOU WANT.

15:49:24 BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A BETTER PROCESS TO
15:49:27 BE WHAT WE GOT, TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THEM, ASK QUESTIONS.
15:49:31 SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW THESE -- I THINK THAT'S A BETTER
15:49:39 PROCESS VERSUS THE WAY IT KIND OF READS, WHICH IS -- AGAIN,
15:49:46 THAT WAS THE INTENT, BUT THAT'S NOT INTERPRETED.
15:49:48 SO I THINK WE GOT SOME WORK DOWN THE ROAD, GENTLEMEN.
15:49:51 AND AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO TALK TO CHIEF BENNETT AND GINA
15:49:58 ABOUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESIDENCY ISSUES.
15:50:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK IN REGARDS TO THE RESIDENCY
15:50:03 AND THE ONE YEAR AND THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT EXTEND THAT, SO
15:50:07 BASICALLY WHEN THAT ONE YEAR COMES UP --
15:50:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO RAISE MY FINGERS.
15:50:18 BUT THE CHARTER AS HAS BEEN AMENDED ALLOWS FOR TWO ONE-YEAR
15:50:23 EXTENSIONS TO THE WAIVER.
15:50:24 SO IT'S A TOTAL OF THREE YEARS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
15:50:28 IS THAT CORRECT, MS. ZELMAN?
15:50:29 SO IN OTHER WORDS, AS WHAT HAPPENED TODAY, IF I UNDERSTAND
15:50:32 CORRECTLY, THIS IS THE LAST OF THE EXTENSIONS THAT ARE
15:50:37 ALLOWABLE UNDER THE CHARTER FOR THOSE NAMED INDIVIDUALS.
15:50:40 SO THEY HAVE GOTTEN WAIVERS TWICE BEFORE.
15:50:46 OR THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO.
15:50:50 AN INITIAL WAIVER AND THEN TWO ONE-YEAR EXTENSIONS.
15:50:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JULY 15th OF NEXT YEAR THEY REACH
15:50:57 THEIR DEADLINE, CORRECT?
15:50:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDER THE CHARTER YES, UNLESS THERE'S A

15:51:01 WAY THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED.
15:51:02 IF IT'S THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IF THEY WOULD LIKE THE
15:51:04 LEGAL DEPARTMENT --
15:51:06 >>> IF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD RESIGN THE DAY BEFORE AND
15:51:11 THEN THE MAYOR REAPPOINTS THEM THE NEXT DAY, AND -- DO WE
15:51:17 RESET THE ENTIRE PROCESS?
15:51:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ASK AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE IT
15:51:22 ALSO RAISES AN ISSUE THAT IN THE PAST WHAT WE HAVE HAD IS A
15:51:25 POSITIONS BEING INTERIM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PROVISION
15:51:30 OF THE CHARTER REFERENCES WHAT THE CONCEPT OF INTERIM IS,
15:51:35 AND THE PERSONNEL MANUAL CAN TELL YOU WHAT THAT SAYS, BUT
15:51:38 THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF APPOINTMENTS.
15:51:42 SOMEBODY FILLING A POSITION IN AN INTERIM CAPACITY.
15:51:46 AND MAYBE MS. ZELMAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
15:51:49 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, AND MR. SHELBY
15:51:51 JUST TOUCHED ON THIS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR
15:51:55 US TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR WAYS BY WHICH SOME OF THE
15:51:58 INDIVIDUALS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COULD CONTINUE TO SERVE
15:52:02 AFTER JULY 15th, 2022, SHOULD THEY NOT BY THEN BE
15:52:07 RESIDENTS AND ELECTORS OF THE CITY, WE WOULD BE GLAD TO
15:52:10 RESEARCH A WAY TO MAKE THAT --
15:52:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY QUESTION IS HOW MANY ARE IN THIS
15:52:14 POSITION?
15:52:16 HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THIS POSITION?
15:52:18 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I DON'T HAVE IT THE RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF

15:52:20 ME.
15:52:21 YOU HAVE IT RIGHT THERE?
15:52:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CLERK HAS IT BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
15:52:25 OTHERS HAVE BEEN GRANTED -- AND ALSO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE
15:52:34 THAT'S BEING REFERENCED AND LOOKED UP, JUST A REMINDER THAT
15:52:38 THERE'S ALSO A GENERAL ELECTION COMING UP IN 2022 THAT MAY
15:52:44 BE ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BALLOT QUESTIONS AS OPPOSED TO A
15:52:48 MUNICIPAL ELECTION.
15:52:49 YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.
15:52:53 BUT TO ADDRESS THE TIMELINE AS WE ARE FACING NOW.
15:52:57 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: FIVE PEOPLE THAT WERE EXTENDED THAT IN
15:53:01 EFFECT RECEIVED THEIR LAST EXTENSION TODAY.
15:53:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.
15:53:09 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE WOULD YOU PERMIT ME
15:53:12 TO MAKE THAT MOTION NOW TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK, I DON'T
15:53:14 KNOW WHAT DATE, WITH SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT TO DO REGARDING THE
15:53:21 RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR THE MANAGERS OF THE CITY?
15:53:26 >> WHEN?
15:53:27 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
15:53:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AUGUST 26th.
15:53:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I LIKE ALL THESE PEOPLE.
15:53:36 I THINK THEY HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
15:53:38 FIND SOMEBODY HOW TO VIOLATE THE LAW.
15:53:41 I DON'T 2021 GO THERE I REALLY DON'T.
15:53:44 I MEAN, I LOVE THESE PEOPLE.

15:53:46 BUT FOR ME TO DO THAT.
15:53:47 AND I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
15:53:50 WHAT DOES RESIDENCY MEAN? WHEN SHE TOLD ME TWO THINGS, I
15:53:53 SAID, THAT CAN'T BE.
15:53:57 IF RESIDENCY WAS JUST AN ADDRESS WITH RENT PAYMENT, WHEN I
15:54:05 SEE NOW ALL THIS ELECTRONIC STUFF, HALF MY FAMILY -- THEY
15:54:10 WORK FROM THE HOUSE.
15:54:11 I MEAN, NOBODY SEES THEM.
15:54:15 ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT COME OUT OF COLLEGE.
15:54:17 THEY ARE WORKING FROM THE HOUSE.
15:54:23 SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS -- THE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEM WAS
15:54:30 VERY LITTLE.
15:54:31 ONLY ONE BRIDGE TO ST. PETE.
15:54:35 TO GO TO CLEARWATER YOU HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
15:54:37 HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
15:54:38 BY THE TIME YOU GOT THERE IT WAS TWO DAYS LATER.
15:54:41 AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHY IT WAS THERE.
15:54:43 BUT TECHNOLOGY HAS COME THROUGH, AND IT CHANGED THINGS
15:54:45 AROUND.
15:54:46 SO IT MADE THINGS MUCH EASIER.
15:54:50 NONE OF THESE DEPARTMENT HEADS -- AND MAYBE THEY GOT TO BE
15:54:54 HERE SOMETIME.
15:54:55 THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE ALL THE TIME.
15:54:58 IF UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES DONE LIKE THAT, EVEN IN MEDICINE.
15:55:03 ROBOTIC MEDICINE.

15:55:05 NOW, WHOEVER THOUGHT A ROBOT WOULD KNOW HOW TO OPERATE.
15:55:08 JUST THINK OF THAT.
15:55:15 SO THINGS CHANGE.
15:55:19 THERE'S WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.
15:55:21 SOCIETY HAS DIFFERENT VALUES, DIFFERENT LASS.
15:55:24 AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I JUST DON'T WANT
15:55:27 TO GO THERE, AND LAB WHAT THEY ARE DOING THERE.
15:55:31 AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
15:55:32 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: TWO THINGS.
15:55:35 I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT AUGUST 26th, AND THAT WOULD NOT
15:55:38 BE ENOUGH TIME IN ADDITION FOR US TO RESEARCH THIS ISSUE.
15:55:43 AND THEN IN ADDITION, I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT
15:55:46 IT, YOUR AUGUST 26th AGENDA IS VERY LONG ALREADY.
15:55:51 SO WE WOULD NEED TIME TO RESEARCH.
15:55:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MRS. ZELMAN, I KNOW WE HAVE A WORKSHOP
15:55:58 COMING UP IN REFERENCE TO THE CHARTER ISSUE.
15:56:01 THAT WOULD BE A BETTER TIME TO DO THAT.
15:56:03 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I AGREE.
15:56:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES ON THE CHARTER WE
15:56:06 NEED TO DISCUSS.
15:56:07 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
15:56:09 AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO MR. MIRANDA'S POINT, WE CERTAINLY
15:56:12 WOULDN'T BE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO VIOLATE THE LAW OR GET
15:56:15 AROUND THE LAW.
15:56:16 WE JUST WANT TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL IMPACT OF

15:56:19 THAT PARTICULAR CHARTER PROVISION AND WHAT IT MEANS WHEN
15:56:24 THOSE WAIVERS EXPIRE.
15:56:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
15:56:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST AN OBSERVATION, COUNCIL.
15:56:31 AND MR. MIRANDA MENTIONED, ALLUDED TO THE FACT OF THIS
15:56:37 PROVISION, AND JUST A REMINDER, IT WAS A RESULT OF A
15:56:41 RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ULTIMATELY
15:56:43 THAT GOT PRESENTED TO COUNCIL WHICH THEN MADE A DECISION TO
15:56:48 PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND IT NOW HAD BEEN THE LAST
15:56:51 OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VOTERS TO BE DO THAT ALONG WITH THE
15:56:53 OTHER CHARTER AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
15:56:57 IT IS NOW IN YOUR CHARTER AND IT WAS -- THE VOTERS CHOSE TO
15:57:01 PLACE IT THERE.
15:57:02 THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY.
15:57:03 IT'S A -- THIS PROVISION AS IT'S CONSTRUCTED IS NEW.
15:57:07 SO NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THE PRACTICAL
15:57:10 EFFECTS ARE ONCE THIS THING HAS BEEN ENACTED, AND OBVIOUSLY
15:57:19 YOU GET THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY
15:57:25 JUST REMEMBER, I ASK YOU TO MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THE
15:57:30 CHARTER IS CHOSEN BY THE PEOPLE.
15:57:32 IT'S THE PEOPLE'S CHARTER AND OBVIOUSLY ULTIMATELY WHATEVER
15:57:37 PROVISION WILL REFLECT THE VOTER'S WILL.
15:57:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
15:57:46 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
15:57:49 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T THINK THAT MOTION GOT A SECOND.

15:57:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE THE RESOLUTION WITH THAT INCLUDING
15:57:54 THE RESIDENCIES WAIVER.
15:57:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN?
15:57:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
15:58:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WISH THIS TO BE CONSIDERED AT THE
15:58:04 WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, THEN YOU COULD
15:58:08 MAKE A MOTION THAT IS THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT
15:58:11 BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THAT WORKSHOP.
15:58:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, EVERY TIME YOU TALK ABOUT A
15:58:17 CHARTER ISSUE THAT COMES UP, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION
15:58:20 FOR THAT.
15:58:21 WE KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE.
15:58:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD.
15:58:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.
15:58:27 WE KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE.
15:58:29 AND ANY OTHER ISSUE TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
15:58:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL -- I WILL DO THAT.
15:58:34 AND I APPRECIATE -- THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS
15:58:38 COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE PUBLICLY AMONGST YOURSELVES,
15:58:40 SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
15:58:42 I APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
15:58:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, AND MR. MIRANDA
15:58:46 IS RATE, WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR WAYS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE
15:58:51 LAW SAYS.
15:58:52 WE CAN'T DO IT.

15:58:55 WE GAVE IT TO THE VOTERS.
15:58:56 THIS DECIDED.
15:58:58 I KNOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK AS YOU SAID, AND FIND ALTERNATIVES
15:59:05 IN THE MEANTIME.
15:59:06 I THINK THOSE ISSUES NEED TO COME UP AT CHARTER REVIEW TIME.
15:59:11 MR. CARLSON.
15:59:12 >>BILL CARLSON: THE MOTION WASN'T SECONDED ANYWAY BUT I
15:59:15 WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION AND CONSIDERING THE
15:59:18 DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD AND LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING IT IN
15:59:22 IT FUTURE.
15:59:22 TO MR. MIRANDA'S POINT, I WANT TO STAY WITHIN THE LAW ALSO.
15:59:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I AM NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.
15:59:29 JUST SAY THAT.
15:59:30 IF I DID I APOLOGIZE IF YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY.
15:59:35 YOU CAN SOLVE A LEGAL PROBLEM.
15:59:37 YOU WILL NEVER SOLVE A PROBLEM OF SOMETHING THAT GOT
15:59:43 VOLUMINOUS THINGS AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF
15:59:46 IT.
15:59:46 IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN SOLVE A PROBLEM, BUT YOU CAN'T SOLVE
15:59:50 A PERCEPTION PUBLIC PROBLEM.
15:59:52 THE PROBLEM WILL ALWAYS BE IN SOMEBODY'S MIND, IF IT'S NOT
15:59:55 ADDRESSED VERY CLEARLY.
15:59:57 AND THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
15:59:58 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT CRITICISM IN THE PAST WAS
16:00:03 ABOUT LEGAL ISSUES.

16:00:03 IN THIS CASE TO BE REALLY CLEAR I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
16:00:06 FOLLOW THE LAW AND IF IT'S NOT A LEGAL SOLUTION I WOULD NOT
16:00:09 BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
16:00:11 THANK YOU.
16:00:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, SIR, THANK YOU.
16:00:14 MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
16:00:18 NUMBER 101.
16:00:22 WE DID 99.
16:00:23 OH, NO.
16:00:28 WE ARE ON STAFF NOW.
16:00:32 AND MOST OF THESE ARE JUST GOING TO BE QUICK VOTES ANYWAY.
16:00:36 PARDON ME?
16:00:38 101.
16:00:44 THESE ARE GOING TO BE QUICK VOTES.
16:00:46 REAL QUICK.
16:00:47 >>RON WIGGINTON: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
16:00:53 ITEM 101 IS A REQUEST TO RELEASE AN EASEMENT WITHIN THE
16:00:56 SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 505 ROYAL PALM WAY.
16:01:00 THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE JUNE 3rd MEETING
16:01:03 BECAUSE OF COMMENTS MADE ABOUT POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
16:01:06 IN FACT, A COMPLAINT HAS SINCE BEEN FILED, BUT AS MR.
16:01:10 WEINGART MENTIONED TODAY EARLIER IN PUBLIC COMMENTS, THAT
16:01:13 THIS RELEASE IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE RELEASE SOUGHT
16:01:16 IN THAT COMPLAINT.
16:01:19 THE EASEMENT OF QUESTION IS THE CITY OF TAMPA UTILITY

16:01:22 EASEMENT WHICH WAS RESERVED IN 1982 BY VACATING ORDINANCE
16:01:28 79-17-A AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS EASEMENT WAS TO PLACE PUBLIC
16:01:32 UTILITIES IN THE REAR OF THE LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
16:01:34 WAS NEVER INTENDED TO SERVE AS A BUFFER.
16:01:42 CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO PUBLIC UTILITIES IN THE AREA AND NONE
16:01:44 ARE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
16:01:45 ANY OTHER EASEMENT WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN RESERVED BY THE
16:01:48 DEVELOPER BACK IN 1924 ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THIS RELEASE.
16:01:53 IT IS PROPER TO PROCEED WITH THIS REQUEST AND MR. SAMONS IS
16:01:58 HERE TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.
16:01:59 THANK YOU.
16:02:00 >> ROSS SAMONS, RIGHT-OF-WAY AND MAPPING COORDINATOR, CITY
16:02:17 OF TAMPA.
16:02:19 I PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU.
16:02:23 THE PRESENTATION HERE FOR THE RELEASE OF EASEMENT AND HOW
16:02:27 THE PROCESS GOES.
16:02:42 THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS FROM CITY OF TAMPA STORMWATER,
16:02:45 WASTEWATER, AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
16:02:49 PAGE 3.
16:02:58 YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE FOUR QUESTIONS ON THAT SHEET.
16:03:09 THE FIRST OBVIOUSLY, DO YOU HAVE UTILITIES TO BE RELEASED?
16:03:13 AND -- DO YOU HAVE FACILITIES TO BE RELEASED?
16:03:24 WILL SUBJECT EASEMENT BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE?
16:03:27 IF FACILITIES OCCUPY EASEMENT TO BE RELEASED IS IT POSSIBLE
16:03:31 TO HAVE THEM RELOCATED?

16:03:35 DO YOU OBJECT TO THIS EASEMENT RELEASE?
16:03:37 AND PRIVATE ENTITIES OUTSIDE THE CITY.
16:03:43 AND GOT ANOTHER PAGE HERE SHOWING FOUR INSTANCES OF OUTSIDE
16:03:50 THE CITY.
16:03:52 AND WE HAVE TECO ELECTRIC AND GAS, FRONTIER, AND SPECTRUM.
16:03:59 AND THEY HAVE ALL SIGNED OFF.
16:04:01 THEY HAVE NO FUTURE USE NEEDED THERE.
16:04:05 AND THEY HAVE NO FACILITIES WITHIN THE EASEMENT.
16:04:09 AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SHOWS.
16:04:16 JUST BRIEFLY, THIS IS A CLIP OF THE ACTUAL PLAT.
16:04:22 AND THE APPLICANT IS THE OWNER OF LOT 4, BLOCK E,
16:04:28 INTERSECTION OF LOT 3.
16:04:32 AND THE VACATING IS RELATING TO THIS -- RELEASE IS RELATED
16:04:40 TO THIS VACATED ALLEYWAY HERE.
16:04:52 AN AERIAL JUST FOR YOUR REVIEW.
16:04:56 THIS IS A CLIP FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROPERTY
16:04:59 APPRAISERS OFFICE.
16:05:00 YOU WILL NOTICE THEY DO HAVE THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
16:05:05 IT'S RED LINED.
16:05:08 THAT ALLEYWAY.
16:05:09 AND YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE CENTER LINE OF THE APPLICANT'S
16:05:13 PROPERTY IS WITHIN THAT ALLEYWAY, THE CENTER LINE OF THAT
16:05:16 ALLEYWAY.
16:05:21 THE APPLICANT ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SURVEY, EXHIBIT AND
16:05:27 DESCRIPTION, AND THE BOLD LINE, BLACK LINE HERE IS SHOWING

16:05:34 THE PROPOSED RELEASE OF EASEMENT.
16:05:41 AND THAT SUMS IT UP, AND I HAVE AN REVIEW SUMMARY REPORT
16:05:44 THERE CRATING ALL THE ENTITIES THAT DO NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION
16:05:48 ON THE RELEASE.
16:05:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
16:05:55 WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN?
16:06:00 >> ROSS SAMONS.
16:06:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE LEFT SOME BIG SHOES.
16:06:09 LISTEN, DO WE KNOW WHY THE EASEMENT WAS RESERVED?
16:06:15 I KNOW IT'S A LONG TIME AGO.
16:06:16 BUT DID ANY OF THE PAPERWORK INDICATE WHY THERE WAS AN
16:06:19 EASEMENT RESERVED AT ALL?
16:06:22 OR IS THAT A LEGAL QUESTION?
16:06:24 >> YES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LEGAL QUESTION.
16:06:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
16:06:33 >> THERE'S NO RECORD INFORMATION TO EXPLAIN WHY THE EASEMENT
16:06:37 WAS RESERVED BACK IN 1982.
16:06:39 I IMAGINE THAT THE INTENT WAS THAT IF THERE WAS ANY NEED FOR
16:06:42 THE UTILITIES TO BE IN THE REAR OF THE LOT THAT THAT WOULD
16:06:45 BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM, BUT NOW THAT ALL THE UTILITIES ARE TO
16:06:48 THE FRONT OF THE LOT, OR UNDERGROUND, I THINK IN SOME OF
16:06:51 THIS AREA, AND I COULDN'T SPEAK TO CERTAINTY WHY THEY DID
16:06:58 IT.
16:06:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK OUR TYPICAL VACATING THESE DAYS
16:07:02 DOESN'T NECESSARILY EVEN RESERVE EASEMENTS UNLESS THEY ONE

16:07:06 OF THE UTILITIES REQUEST IT, RIGHT?
16:07:08 >>RON WIGGINTON: UNLESS THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN USE, YES,
16:07:10 SIR.
16:07:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
16:07:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK?
16:07:23 >> TREY WEINGART AGAIN WITH HILL, WARD, HENDERSON.
16:07:27 GOOD AFTERNOON.
16:07:28 AND I WILL BE BRIEF.
16:07:30 I WON'T TRY TO TALK LIKE I DID THIS MORNING BUT I WOULD LIKE
16:07:34 TO BRIEFLY GIVE A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION TO THE
16:07:37 UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE LAWSUIT THAT'S BEEN CURRENTLY FILED
16:07:39 HERE.
16:07:39 THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THIS EASEMENT, IT'S IMPORTANT
16:07:43 TO UNDERSTAND THAT CONSTRUCTION HAS ALREADY BEGUN IN THAT
16:07:46 EASEMENT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT BEEN RELEASED BY THE CITY.
16:07:50 NOW, WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT'S OUR BELIEF, MY
16:07:55 CLIENT'S BELIEF, THAT THE LOSSES ACTUALLY COMBINED.
16:07:59 YOU JUST SAW THE DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS LOT E AS WELL AS LOT 3
16:08:02 OR 4 AND PART OF 3.
16:08:05 THAT'S A NONCONFORMING LOT.
16:08:06 THAT'S WHAT THE LITIGATION IS CURRENTLY SURROUNDING.
16:08:10 THAT'S BEEN FILED.
16:08:12 IT'S BEFORE JUDGE CHRIS NASH RIGHT NOW.
16:08:15 AND THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES WHETHER OR NOT A BUILDING IS
16:08:18 APPROPRIATE BOTH ON THAT LOT, AND AT THIS POINT IN THE

16:08:21 EASEMENT, AS IT PROCEEDED.
16:08:25 WITH THAT IN MIND, AND WITH THIS LAWSUIT CURRENTLY PENDING,
16:08:28 AND JUDGE NASH BEING THE ONE WHO IS CURRENTLY CHARGED WITH
16:08:33 DETERMINING, I GUESS, A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE FIRST WHETHER
16:08:36 OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BUILD ON THIS LOT.
16:08:40 I BELIEVE THAT IT'S PREMATURE FOR THE COUNCIL TO VOTE TO
16:08:43 RELEASE THIS EASEMENT.
16:08:45 I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNCIL TO DEFER
16:08:52 UNTIL THE COURT DECIDED THAT WILL ALLOW THEN THE COUNCIL
16:08:55 PLENTY OF TIME ONCE THAT DECISION HAS BEEN MADE, MAYBE
16:08:59 CONTINUED FOR SIX MONTHS, TO GIVE JUDGE NASH THAT
16:09:02 OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT WILL GIVE THE COUNCIL PLENTY OF TIME
16:09:05 TO DECIDE THE EASEMENT ISSUE.
16:09:08 ONCE AGAIN, THE GROUND HAS BEEN CLEARED ON WHETHER OR NOT
16:09:10 THAT LOT HAS BEEN COMBINED THAT INCLUDES THAT EASEMENT THAT
16:09:13 YOU JUST SAW IN THE DIAGRAM.
16:09:15 WAS THAT EVEN A PROPER LOT OR WHETHER THAT SHOULD HAVE NOT
16:09:18 BEEN COMBINED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
16:09:20 SO WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST AND SUGGEST IS THAT THIS MATTER BE
16:09:25 CONTINUED FOR SIX MONTHS SO THAT JUDGE NASH HAS A CHANCE TO
16:09:30 RESOLVE THE PENDING LAWSUIT, AND THEN THIS COUNCIL HAS A
16:09:33 CHANCE TO TAKE UP THE REQUEST FOR RELEASE OF EASEMENT ONCE
16:09:39 IT'S BEEN PROPERLY DECIDED BY THE JUDICIARY.
16:09:42 THANK YOU.
16:09:42 AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THEM.

16:09:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW YOUR HAND.
16:09:47 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
16:09:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME HEAR FROM MR. MICHELINI.
16:09:55 I ASSUME HE'S REPRESENTING OTHER SIDE.
16:09:57 THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
16:09:58 >>STEVE MICHELINI: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
16:10:02 I'M REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF BRIAN LANCEY AND HIS
16:10:08 COMPANY.
16:10:08 THEY OWN THE LOT.
16:10:10 AND IT'S BASICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN
16:10:15 EASEMENT, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANOTHER PERSON'S
16:10:18 PROPERTY.
16:10:19 IT ONLY HAS TO DO FOR THE INDIVIDUAL'S PROPERTY WHO IS
16:10:22 PETITIONING.
16:10:23 AND LET ME CITE FROM RON WIGGINTON'S RELEASE OF EASEMENT
16:10:29 AGREEMENT.
16:10:30 IT SAYS, WHEREAS, IF TO THE EXTENT THE REAR SAID LOT
16:10:34 EASEMENT RATES WERE LATER CONVEYED TO THE CITY, AND FOR THE
16:10:37 UTILITY PURPOSES ARE RESERVED BY ORDINANCE, THE CITY NO
16:10:40 LONGER REQUIRES SAME FOR INSTALLATION, REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE
16:10:44 OF ANY UTILITY PAPERS, LAWNS OR OTHER APERTURES PRESENTLY OR
16:10:51 IN THE FUTURE AND GOES ON TO SAY THAT BRANDON LANCEY,
16:10:55 PETITIONER, AND SAYS THE DIRECTOR HAS DETERMINED THE CITY
16:10:57 HAS NO PRESENT OR FUTURE NEED FOR THE SAID EASEMENTS WITHIN
16:10:59 THE RELEASE AREA FOR ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE.

16:11:02 THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THEY HAVE
16:11:05 NO TOCKS RELEASE IT.
16:11:06 IT THE NEW DIRECTOR OF RIGHT-OF-WAY HAS ALREADY TOLD YOU THE
16:11:09 CITY HAS NO OBJECTION.
16:11:10 THE UTILITIES HAD NO OBJECTIONS.
16:11:12 THIS IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
16:11:15 IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THERE'S A LAWSUIT OR NOT.
16:11:18 THIS PERTAINS TO AN EASEMENT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S
16:11:21 NO LONGER NEEDED.
16:11:23 AND IT SHOULD BE RELEASED.
16:11:25 THERE IS NO REASON TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING.
16:11:27 THE ALLEY WAS VACATED.
16:11:30 WE HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY RESERVED THE EASEMENTS.
16:11:32 THE SURVEY WAS SUBMITTED.
16:11:34 THE DRAWINGS AND PERMITS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ISSUED FOR THIS
16:11:37 PROPERTY AND IT WAS ONLY IN THAT PROCESS IT WAS DISCOVERED
16:11:40 THE EASEMENTS STILL HAD NOT BEEN RELEASED.
16:11:43 SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU GO AHEAD, RELEASE
16:11:48 THE CITY'S INTEREST IN THE EASEMENT, THE UTILITY HAVE
16:11:51 ALREADY WEIGHED IN ON THIS, AND BASICALLY THERE'S NO REASON
16:11:55 TO CONTINUE THIS ISSUE REGARDING THE EASEMENT.
16:11:59 IF THE OTHER PARTY HAS PROBLEMS WITH A LEGAL OPINION, OR
16:12:06 STAFF OPINION RELATED TO THE BUILDABILITY OF THE LOT THAT'S
16:12:10 A SEPARATE AND DISTINCT ISSUE THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE
16:12:13 ISSUE REGARDING EASEMENT.

16:12:14 SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOU AS THE PETITIONER TO
16:12:18 MOVE FORWARD AND RELEASE THE EASEMENT.
16:12:19 THANK YOU.
16:12:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
16:12:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
16:12:25 JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
16:12:27 MUCH AS IT PAINS ME TO AGREE WITH MR. MICHELINI, I SEEM TO
16:12:31 BE LEANING THAT WAY.
16:12:33 JUST KIDDING YOU, STEVE.
16:12:36 SO --
16:12:43 [ LAUGHTER ]
16:12:43 TWO THINGS.
16:12:45 TO THE HILL WARD ATTORNEY.
16:12:46 I APOLOGIZE.
16:12:47 I MISSED YOUR NAME.
16:12:51 HAVE YOU SOUGHT ANY INJUNCTIVE OR OTHER EMERGENCY RELIEF
16:12:55 FROM JUDGE NASH AS RELATED TO THE CITY?
16:12:58 >> WE HAVE NOT AT THIS TIME.
16:12:59 I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY HAS BEEN SERVED YET SO I AM NOT
16:13:02 SURE THAT IT'S PROCEDURALLY RIGHT TO BE SEEKING THAT
16:13:06 INJUNCTION, BUT WE HAVE NOT.
16:13:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEAN IN TERMS OF YOUR RELIEF OF THE
16:13:12 DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FAILED DO NOT INCLUDE
16:13:14 INJUNCTIVE RELIEF?
16:13:17 >> THAT'S CORRECT.

16:13:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECONDLY, RON, HERE AT CITY HALL, MR.
16:13:23 WIGGINTON I DON'T HAVE YOUR MEMO IN FRONT OF ME, BUT DO YOU
16:13:27 HAVE A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AS RELATED TO THIS
16:13:31 FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY?
16:13:33 >>RON WIGGINTON: YES, SIR.
16:13:34 IT IS OUR OPINION WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THIS REQUEST
16:13:36 WHETHER YOU WANT TO VOTE IT UP OR DOWN IS UP TO YOU, BUT
16:13:39 IT'S PROPER TO PROCEED WITH THIS.
16:13:40 AGAIN IT'S NOT REALLY RELATED TO THE PENDING LITIGATION AT
16:13:45 HAND.
16:13:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
16:13:48 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
16:13:50 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD.
16:13:52 I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE SORT OF HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD
16:13:55 DISPUTE THAT THE CITY IS BEING PULLED INTO, AND THE CITY
16:14:00 WILL HAVE TO PARTICIPATE, AND THE OTHER LITIGATION, I DO
16:14:04 AGREE WITH MR. WIGGINTON, I DON'T SEE WHY THIS EASEMENT
16:14:08 ISSUE DIRECTLY RELATED.
16:14:12 LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THESE DAYS WHEN WE VACATE ALLEYS, AND
16:14:16 THERE IS NO REASON TO RESERVING ANY RIGHTS, WE DON'T RESERVE
16:14:20 ANY RIGHTS.
16:14:21 SO THIS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS SORT OF JUST AN ANTIQUATED WAY OF
16:14:24 DOING THINGS.
16:14:27 I WILL MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR 101.
16:14:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

16:14:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
16:14:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
16:14:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
16:14:40 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
16:14:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
16:14:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
16:14:44 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16:14:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 103.
16:14:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DID WE DO 98?
16:14:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 98 WAS DONE EARLIER.
16:14:58 99 WAS DELAYED.
16:15:03 >> BUT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO THE REVIEW HEARING.
16:15:04 >> YES.
16:15:05 >> IT'S A LONG DAY. ALL RIGHT.
16:15:16 102.
16:15:16 >> DURING YOUR AGENDA REVIEW, COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER WAS
16:15:22 PRESENT, AND HE HAD NO ISSUES WITH 102, 103, 104 AND 105.
16:15:29 THOSE ARE RESOLUTIONS.
16:15:33 MR. FAIR WAS NOT PRESENTED.
16:15:35 THOSE CAN BE MOVED BY MOTION.
16:15:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL MOVE ALL FOUR OF THEM.
16:15:39 102 THROUGH 105.
16:15:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED.
16:15:44 ROLL CALL VOTE.
16:15:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

16:15:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
16:15:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
16:15:49 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
16:15:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
16:15:51 >>LUIS VIERA: (OFF MICROPHONE)
16:15:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
16:16:01 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16:16:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 106 WAS A MOTION OF COUNCIL TO COME BACK
16:16:13 FOR A RESOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN FILED AND IT IS READY FOR
16:16:15 YOUR ACTION.
16:16:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO, MR. MIRANDA
16:16:22 SECONDED IT.
16:16:23 ROLL CALL.
16:16:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
16:16:29 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
16:16:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
16:16:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
16:16:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
16:16:34 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
16:16:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
16:16:37 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16:16:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
16:16:42 AND THEN WE HAVE 106 IS DONE, 107 IS DONE.
16:16:48 WE GOT A MEMORANDUM.
16:16:49 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, 107, I THINK MS. WYNN AND MS.

16:16:56 ZELMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY DETAILED REPORT.
16:16:59 ONE OF THE REASONS I DID THIS IN PART, AND WE CAN COME BACK
16:17:03 TO THIS IF IT NEEDS TO BE, AN APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE WE
16:17:06 PASSED SOME TIME AGO, IT MAY HAVE BEEN PREEMPTED.
16:17:10 I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEGAL REPORT WRITTEN ON THAT
16:17:13 SOMETIME LATER.
16:17:13 IT APPEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO SUBSTANTIALLY SURVIVE.
16:17:17 SO I WAS LOOKING TO THIS AS SORT OF A BACKGROUND.
16:17:20 BUT WE CAN MAYBE COME TO THAT AT ANOTHER TIME SO WE AREN'T
16:17:25 GOING TO BE HERE TILL 8 A.M.
16:17:27 MS. ZELMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
16:17:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
16:17:30 >> RECEIVE AND FILE.
16:17:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. VIERA.
16:17:41 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
16:17:42 ALL IN FAVOR?
16:17:43 MOTION CARRIES.
16:17:44 ALL RIGHT.
16:17:45 108.
16:17:47 ORDINANCE LOOKING FOR CONTINUANCE.
16:17:53 >> BRIAN MORRISON: GOOD AFTERNOON.
16:17:58 THIS IS ON A MOTION FOR REPORT ON THE COUNTY ORDINANCE
16:18:02 REGARDING THE RENTAL HO HOUSING RATE.
16:18:09 THAT HAS HAD SORT OF A STAGED ROLL-OUT WITH ENFORCEMENT NOT
16:18:11 UNTIL JULY 1st, AND THEREFORE JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE

16:18:14 BIT OF TIME SO I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE COUNTY AND OTHER
16:18:16 MEMBERS TO RESOLVE SOME ISSUES, GATHER SOME DATA REGARDING
16:18:21 THE APPLICATION, INTERPRETATION, ENFORCEMENT OF THAT
16:18:24 ORDINANCE, SO I CAN GIVE YOU A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
16:18:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TO A PARTICULAR DATE?
16:18:32 >>BRIAN MORRISON: APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS TO THE NEAREST
16:18:35 MEETING TO THAT.
16:18:37 SEPTEMBER 2nd?
16:18:41 >> 30th.
16:18:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SEPTEMBER 30th?
16:18:43 SO MOVED.
16:18:44 >> SECOND.
16:18:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT.
16:18:50 ALL IN FAVOR?
16:18:51 ANY OPPOSED?
16:18:52 MOTION CARRIED.
16:18:53 THANK YOU, SIR.
16:18:56 ITEM 109.
16:19:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. ROGERO IS ONLINE.
16:19:05 I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HIS REPORT IS GOING TO BE.
16:19:07 YOU MIGHT WANT TO FIND OUT WITH REGARD TO YOUR REVIEW
16:19:11 HEARING.
16:19:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW LONG IS YOUR REPORT?
16:19:15 >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WILL BE ABOUT FIVE TO TEN MINUTES.
16:19:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OKAY.

16:19:18 >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'M SORRY, WERE YOU READY?
16:19:24 >> YES, SIR.
16:19:26 >>DENNIS ROGERO: CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
16:19:28 AGAIN THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TO REPORT ON THE AMERICAN
16:19:31 RESCUE PLAN ACT OR ARPA.
16:19:35 CAN I ASK IN THAT MY SCREEN BE SHARED?
16:19:55 AND IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW WHEN IT'S UP.
16:19:57 >> WE GOT IT.
16:20:02 >>DENNIS ROGERO: OUTSTANDING.
16:20:05 THANK YOU.
16:20:11 AND THE