TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MARCH 24, 2022
5:01 P.M.
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17:10:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL COME TO ORDER ON
17:10:08 MARCH 24, 2022.
17:10:12 MR. MANISCALCO, IF YOU GIVE A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE.
17:10:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:10:16 WE DID NOT HAVE A MORNING MEETING TODAY, WHICH IS
17:10:19 UNUSUAL THAT WE DO IT FOR AN EVENING MEETING.
17:10:22 BUT IF WE CAN HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE SINCE WE DID NOT
17:10:24 HAVE INVOCATION.
17:10:26 [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
17:10:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:10:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO HAS THE BOY SCOUTS COMING.
17:10:42 SO IF THEY DO COME, WE WILL DO A TIME TO DO THE PLEDGE
17:10:43 OF ALLEGIANCE.
17:10:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
17:10:48 A MIX-UP ON THE TIME THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
17:10:51 BUT IF YOU WOULD GIVE ME ENOUGH TIME WHEN THEY DO
17:10:55 ARRIVE TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AND LET THEM HAVE
17:10:55 TWO SECONDS.
17:10:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ABSOLUTELY.
17:10:58 ROLL CALL.
17:11:00 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
17:11:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
17:11:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
17:11:03 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
17:11:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
17:11:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
17:11:10 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
17:11:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.
17:11:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, MARTIN
17:11:20 SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.
17:11:28 THURSDAY, MARCH 24, 2022, AND WE ARE HERE IN CITY HALL
17:11:29 IN PERSON.
17:11:35 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN EITHER ATTEND IN PERSON OR BY
17:11:39 DOING SO VIRTUALLY THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING AS
17:11:44 FLORIDA STATUTES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
17:11:47 BE ADVISED THAT THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE
17:11:50 TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW ON FRONTIER CHANNEL 16 AND ON
17:11:56 THE INTERNET AT TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM NOW REGISTRATION
17:11:59 IS NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN A PUBLIC
17:12:02 HEARING ON QUASIJUDICIAL LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
17:12:05 FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE INFORMATION TO DO SO
17:12:08 INCLUDING SCHEDULE AND LINKS AND DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS,
17:12:17 THE WEB SITE IS TAMPA.GOV/QUASI, Q-U-A-S-I, QUASI, AND
17:12:22 AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT
17:12:26 TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
17:12:29 IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE VIA CMT, YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS
17:12:35 TO A COMMUNICATION MEDIA DEVICE WITH A CAMERA AND COMPUTER
17:12:38 AND EQUIPPED WITH MICROPHONE TO BE HEARD AND SEEN BY
17:12:40 VIDEO AND AUDIO FOR CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER
17:12:41 PARTICIPANTS.
17:12:45 FOR THE SPECIFIC TWO-WAY VIDEO, CELL PHONES AND
17:12:49 SMARTPHONES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE AS THEY WILL NOT ALLOW
17:12:52 YOU TO SHARE YOUR CAMERA WHEN CONNECTED.
17:12:55 NOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE AS I SAID ON THE
17:12:58 CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AND FOR THE PURPOSES ARE OF THE
17:13:01 RECORD, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST MOVE THAT INTO
17:13:04 THE RECORD TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED LATER -- CAN WE DO
17:13:05 THAT NOW.
17:13:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION.
17:13:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
17:13:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.
17:13:10 OPPOSED?
17:13:10 MOTION GRANTED.
17:13:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE WE GO ON TO TONIGHT'S HEARING,
17:13:19 A REMINDER OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION, COUNCIL.
17:13:24 IF YOU HAD EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, VERBAL OR TEXT OR
17:13:28 ANYTHING THAT HAS NOT PUT IN THE QUASI BOX OR UPLOADED
17:13:31 FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION, MAKE SURE DO YOU SO BEFORE THE
17:13:31 HEARING STARTS.
17:13:34 ALSO, IF YOU RECEIVE -- AND I AM GOING TO ASK THE
17:13:38 PUBLIC TO PLEASE AVOID COMMUNICATING WITH CITY COUNCIL
17:13:40 MEMBERS ELECTRONICALLY DURING THE MEETING, AND I ASK
17:13:43 COUNCIL TO AVOID LOOKING AT THOSE.
17:13:45 THAT WILL BE INAPPROPRIATE.
17:13:47 THERE IS A DEADLINE INVOLVED, AND THIS IS IN THE
17:13:47 INSTRUCTIONS.
17:13:50 ALSO, WITH REGARD TO THE GO TO MEETING PLATFORM FOR
17:13:54 THOSE OF YOU IN THE PUBLIC ON THE GO TO MEETING
17:13:57 PLATFORM, THAT IS A CHAT BOX BUT NOT USED TO
17:14:00 COMMUNICATE WITH CITY COUNCIL ON ANYTHING RELATING TO
17:14:01 THE SUBJECT OF THE HEARING.
17:14:04 ONLY TO BE USED IF NEEDED FOR TECHNICAL ISSUES AND
17:14:06 REMAIN MINDFUL OF THAT.
17:14:09 ALSO I BELIEVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT MR. VIERA IS
17:14:11 APPEARING VIRTUALLY TONIGHT.
17:14:15 SO, THEREFORE, WITH REGARD TO VOTES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO
17:14:18 BE ROLL CALL VOTES TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS PARTICIPATION.
17:14:22 AND BECAUSE WE ARE STILL USING CMT AND HAVE YET TO
17:14:25 UPDATE THE COUNCIL'S RULES, CONSISTENT WITH THE RULES
17:14:28 AND ADVICE I HAVE EXPRESSED AND PUTTING INTO THE
17:14:31 RECORD, I WILL ASK THAT YOU WAIVE YOUR STANDING RULES
17:14:34 AND ADOPT THE RULES FOR CMT TONIGHT.
17:14:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
17:14:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
17:14:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.
17:14:39 OPPOSED.
17:14:41 MOTION CARRIED.
17:14:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
17:14:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
17:14:49 ITEM NUMBER 1.
17:14:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAS OPENED.
17:14:59 SECONDED BY CITRO.
17:15:00 IN FAVOR.
17:15:02 OPPOSED.
17:15:03 MOTION GRANTED.
17:15:04 SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
17:15:06 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
17:15:07 DEPARTMENT.
17:15:11 ITEM NUMBER 1, COUNCILMEMBERS IS AN AMENDMENT OR FIRST
17:15:14 AMENDMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY
17:15:18 OF TAMPA AND TAMPA BAY 1 LCC, THE DEVELOPER MIDTOWN AND
17:15:22 THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RELATES TO THE MIDTOWN
17:15:23 DEVELOPMENT.
17:15:26 PURSUANT TO THE MIDTOWN PLAT, A PERMANENT NONEXCLUSIVE
17:15:30 30-FOOT EASEMENT FOR STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE USE.
17:15:33 THE DEVELOPER HAS REQUESTED ALLOWANCE FOR ANA LIMITED
17:15:38 ENCROACHMENT INTO THIS DRAINAGE EASEMENT AREA FOR THE
17:15:41 PURPOSE OF PUTTING A CANOPY STRUCTURE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
17:15:43 UNDER THE PLAT, ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE DRAINAGE
17:15:47 EASEMENT AREAS ARE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS THEY ARE ALLOWED
17:15:49 IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT
17:15:52 AGREEMENT DOES NOT ALLOW THE ENCROACHMENT THAT
17:15:54 DEVELOPERS ALLOW.
17:15:57 THE FIRST AMENDMENT ALLOWS FOR THAT ENCROACHMENT, AND WE
17:16:00 HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF, STORMWATER DEPARTMENT STAFF,
17:16:04 AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALLOWING THIS LIMITED
17:16:07 ENCROACHMENT INTO THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AREA.
17:16:10 I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE DEVELOPER'S
17:16:12 REPRESENTATIVE MARK BENTLEY IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY
17:16:13 QUESTIONS FOR HIM A.
17:16:17 AND PUBLIC HEARING PURSUANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT
17:16:19 AGREEMENT ACT.
17:16:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS VELEZ.
17:16:26 IF NOT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
17:16:27 >> THANK YOU, SUSAN.
17:16:31 MY NAME IS MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET,
17:16:34 33602.
17:16:38 I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER TAMPA BAY ONE ALSO KNOWN AS
17:16:38 MIDTOWN.
17:16:40 WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHEN WE ZONED
17:16:44 THE PROPERTY IN 2018 IS JUST FOR A COUPLE OF MINOR
17:16:47 ENCROACHMENTS FOR AWNING FOR RETAIL AND ENCROACHMENT
17:16:50 INTO A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
17:16:52 UNDER THE AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU, THE CITY HAS THE
17:16:56 ABILITY TO REQUEST THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BE REMOVED AT ANY
17:16:57 POINT IN TIME.
17:17:00 WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE.
17:17:09 I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK LOOK HERE.
17:17:13 THE OVERHEAD.
17:17:17 SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
17:17:18 YOU CAN SEE THIS PICTURE HERE.
17:17:21 KIND OF A BETTER WAY.
17:17:23 THIS IS AN OVERHANG.
17:17:26 FOR THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT, I WILL CALL IT.
17:17:30 AND JUST A MINOR AREA IN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
17:17:31 WE HAVE THIS RETAIL HERE.
17:17:33 YOU SEE THIS OVERHANG HERE.
17:17:36 THAT IS TECHNICALLY A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS WELL.
17:17:39 YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS SUPPORTED HERE, AT LEAST
17:17:39 TEMPORARILY.
17:17:42 THOSE ARE REMOVABLE SUPPORTS.
17:17:44 THAT IS WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS ABOUT.
17:17:45 ANY QUESTIONS.
17:17:48 LIKE SUSAN INDICATED ALL THE STAFF REVIEWED IT AND THEY
17:17:50 CONCUR AND SUPPORT IT.
17:17:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, WE ARE RECOGNIZED.
17:17:56 [INAUDIBLE]
17:17:57 >> PARDON ME.
17:17:58 >> YES, THERE IS.
17:18:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
17:18:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE FOR MR. BENTLEY?
17:18:05 ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
17:18:13 SEEING NONE.
17:18:16 >>CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
17:18:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION.
17:18:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
17:18:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION GRANTED.
17:18:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD FOR THIS ITEM, NO ACTION
17:18:30 TO BE TAKEN AT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
17:18:33 I ASK THAT THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TO BE ANNOUNCED BY
17:18:34 THE CLERK.
17:18:35 AND THAT WILL BE --
17:18:38 >>CLERK: THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD APRIL
17:18:41 7 AT 9:30 A.M.
17:18:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 2022.
17:18:45 >>CLERK: 2022, YES.
17:18:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND AT
17:18:53 THAT TIME, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, THERE WILL BE AGREEMENT TO
17:18:54 TAKE ACTION ON.
17:18:56 THANK YOU.
17:19:02 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
17:19:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, THE ITEMS --
17:19:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: STATUTORILY, YOU CONDUCTED YOUR FIRST
17:19:10 PUBLIC HEARING.
17:19:13 MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
17:19:15 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
17:19:16 DEPARTMENT.
17:19:20 THE FIRST OF TWO REQUIRED STATUTORY HEARINGs.
17:19:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
17:19:23 ITEM NUMBER 2.
17:19:25 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING
17:19:26 COMMISSION STAFF.
17:19:28 I AM HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH IS A PLAN
17:19:29 AMENDMENT.
17:19:32 AND I WILL SHARE THE SCREEN WHENEVER I HAVE PERMISSION
17:19:32 TO.
17:19:41 THIS IS THE PLAN AMENDMENT TA/CPA 21-25.
17:19:43 IT IS PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.
17:19:49 SMALL SCALE AT 7.65 ACRES AND THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU
17:19:53 IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 TO REGIONAL MIXED USE-100.
17:19:55 LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT WITHIN
17:20:00 THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND YBOR PARK URBAN VILLAGE.
17:20:05 THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN THE YELLOW.
17:20:08 THE YELLOW DASHED LINE REPRESENTS THE YBOR HISTORIC
17:20:12 DISTRICT.
17:20:16 AND DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.
17:20:19 THERE IS NUCCIO PARKWAY TO THE SOUTH.
17:20:21 EAST AVENUE TO THE NORTH AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS
17:20:25 LOCATED FURTHER SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND YBOR IS
17:20:29 LOCATED NORTH AND NORTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
17:20:34 THIS IS THE TAMPA PARK PROPERTY.
17:20:37 TAMPA PARK APARTMENTS SOUTH.
17:20:40 THERE ARE SOME PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN SEVERAL MONTHS
17:20:45 AGO SO I THINK THINGS HAVE RAPIDLY CHANGED SINCE THEN.
17:20:49 WE ARE LOOKING EAST TO THE SUBJECT SITE FROM EAST
17:20:50 MARYLAND AVENUE.
17:20:53 THIS ONE WE ARE LOOKING WEST TOWARD THE SUBJECT SITE
17:20:56 FROM NUCCIO PARKWAY.
17:20:59 LOOKING NORTH TORWARD THE SUBJECT SITE FROM EAST SCOTT
17:21:00 DRIVE.
17:21:04 LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARD BT WASHINGTON ELEMENTARY
17:21:06 SCHOOL FROM THE INTERSECTION OF EAST SCOTT STREET AND
17:21:08 EAST SCOTT DRIVE.
17:21:12 AND HERE IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
17:21:16 SO THE THREE PARCELS ARE COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
17:21:24 AND I WILL NOTE THAT TO THE NORTH, TWO PARCELS OF THE
17:21:28 NORTH AND IT HAS NOT YET BEEN ADOPTED -- HAS NOT YET
17:21:32 BEEN REFLECTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE WE
17:21:35 HAVE TO UPDATE THOSE QUARTERLY.
17:21:39 PARK NORTH WHICH IS URBAN MIXED USE-60 AND THE THREE
17:21:40 PARCELS TO THE SOUTH.
17:21:44 THE GREEN IS A PARK THAT WAS ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED UNDER
17:21:49 THE PARK PROJECT -- TAMPA PARK PARK, I BELIEVE.
17:21:51 WE HAVE REGIONAL MIXED USE-100 IN THE AREA.
17:21:54 SOME REMAINING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT IS THE GRAY
17:21:55 COLOR.
17:21:58 THE DARK MAROON.
17:22:02 AND URBAN MIXED USE-60 NORTH OF 8TH STREET.
17:22:04 AND THEN THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP WILL
17:22:09 RECOGNIZE THESE PARCELS UNDER THE MIXED REGIONAL 100
17:22:11 LAND USE DESIGNATION.
17:22:14 AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF THAT IN THE
17:22:15 SURROUNDING AREA ALREADY.
17:22:18 THIS WOULD INCREASE THE IMPACT -- THE DEVELOPMENT
17:22:24 POTENTIAL FROM ABOUT 267 UNITS TO 765 UNITS.
17:22:26 WILL ALSO GREATLY INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM
17:22:32 600,000 SQUARE FEET TO MILLION SQUARE FEET AND WILL
17:22:37 OFFER DENSITY AND INTENSITY AND INTRODUCE THE RM-35,
17:22:43 THE RM-50, THE RM 75 AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING
17:22:46 DISTRICT WILL BE ALLOWED IF THIS IS APPROVED -- OR WILL
17:22:47 BE CONSIDERED.
17:22:49 THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOUND THIS CONSISTENT
17:22:53 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RELATED TO THE CITY'S
17:22:56 DESIGN POLICY AND CITY'S PLANNING STRATEGY.
17:22:58 THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH
17:23:01 THE FACT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THE
17:23:04 CITY'S POPULATION WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND HOUSING
17:23:07 OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE CREATED TO MEET THE PRESENT --
17:23:10 THE NEEDS OF ITS PRESENT AND FUTURE POPULATION.
17:23:14 A POLICY IN THE PLAN TO HAVE THEM GO TOWARD URBAN
17:23:18 VILLAGES AND LOCATED IN AN URBAN VILLAGE.
17:23:22 THIS WILL -- ALSO, THERE ARE PARCELS RM-100.
17:23:27 TO THE EAST 400 -- YES, I APOLOGIZE.
17:23:31 TO THE EAST ABOUT 400 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
17:23:34 WE FOUND IT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE UNDERLYING.
17:23:37 WITH THE SURROUNDING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.
17:23:41 WE FOUND THAT WILL PROVIDE CONTINUITY OF THE RMU-100.
17:23:44 AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SENSITIVITY TO THE AREA, LOWER
17:23:47 INTENSITY LAND USES.
17:23:50 ONE LAST THING SINCE IT IS ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE YBOR
17:23:52 LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
17:23:55 ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON-SITE WILL NEED TO ASSURE IT
17:23:58 IS NOT GOING TO EFFECT THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BY
17:24:04 CREATING AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION THAT IS APPROPRIATE,
17:24:07 COMPATIBLE.
17:24:09 AND PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE THIS CONSISTENT.
17:24:12 STAFF IS ON THE LINE.
17:24:15 AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS AS WELL.
17:24:17 AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
17:24:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AVAILABLE.
17:24:22 ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE?
17:24:27 ALL RIGHT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
17:24:28 >> TYLER HUDSON.
17:24:31 MY ADDRESS 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
17:24:34 IT IS WONDERFUL TO BE BACK IN THIS ROOM AGAIN.
17:24:35 IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.
17:24:48 I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE.
17:25:08 CAN YOU SEE THIS?
17:25:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE IT, SIR.
17:25:12 >> JUST TO GO ON TOP OF WHAT JENNIFER SAID.
17:25:17 THE AREA SHADED IN BLUE IS THE GAS WORX PROJECT THAT
17:25:18 COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH.
17:25:21 THE YELLOW DOTTED LINE IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
17:25:23 WHAT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR OF THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION
17:25:26 THAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS REALLY A
17:25:30 CONTINUATION OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ONE APPLICATION
17:25:34 THAT GOT SPLIT INTO TWO FOR REASONS I WILL GO INTO FOR
17:25:36 A SECOND.
17:25:40 TA/CPA 21-20.
17:25:43 THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL IN JANUARY.
17:25:46 ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THIS AS ONE ENTIRE ACTION.
17:25:49 THE COUNCIL MAY RECALL THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED THE
17:25:52 PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT THAT UNDER STATE LAW,
17:25:55 YOU WILL HAVE TO ADOPT INTO A TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:25:57 THAT CREATED SOME TIMING ISSUES FOR A LOT OF AMENDMENTS
17:26:03 AND FOR REASONS.
17:26:07 SURROUNDED BY TRAVELERS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WE HAD TO
17:26:12 BREAK THE AMENDMENT INTO TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
17:26:16 AND THE PORTIONS THAT ARE NEXT TO THE GREEN AREAS,
17:26:18 LABELED ONE, TWO AND THREE.
17:26:22 JENNIFER HIT THE KEY BASES.
17:26:25 IT IS TO THE EAST, SOUTHEAST AND TO THE WEST OF THE
17:26:26 SITE.
17:26:30 THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONSISTENCY FINDING UNANIMOUSLY
17:26:33 ON VALENTINE'S DAY OF THIS YEAR.
17:26:36 THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED CONSISTENCY.
17:26:40 THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE THAT I HAVE TO SHOW.
17:26:42 AND THIS IS FROM 2006.
17:26:46 THIS IS THE CRA PLAN THAT THE -- THAT YOUR PREDECESSOR
17:26:52 SITTING FOR THE CRA ADOPTED FOR CENTRAL PARK AND SHOW
17:26:57 THIS PRECISE SITE AS BEING -- RECOMMENDING RMU-100 FROM
17:26:59 A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE.
17:27:05 I AM NOT SURE 16 YEARS AGO YOUR -- IT WAS ON CRA THE
17:27:07 PREDECESSORS WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THE GROWTH THAT THE
17:27:10 CITY WOULD EXPERIENCE AND WE BELIEVE IT IS AN
17:27:14 APPROPRIATE DENSIFICATION FOR THE PARCELS THAT YOUR
17:27:16 EXPERT STAFF AGREES.
17:27:16 THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGREES.
17:27:19 AND ALL OF THIS DENSITY THAT YOU SEE IN THE
17:27:23 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA WILL GET IMPLEMENTED
17:27:27 BY ZONING AS IS WELL AWARE.
17:27:31 THIS SITE IS THE SUBJECT OF A PENDING REZONING 21-114
17:27:34 THAT WILL COME TO YOU IN THE FUTURE.
17:27:38 FILED AND A PD FOR GAS WORX THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE AND
17:27:42 WHERE THE DETAILS WILL GET FLESHED OUT AND WHAT TO DO
17:27:43 WITH THE DENSITY.
17:27:45 WE ARE ASKING TO YOU APPROVE THE CONTINUATION OF
17:27:48 ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THIS APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF
17:27:49 DENSITY.
17:27:51 AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT
17:27:51 HAVE.
17:27:53 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
17:27:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
17:27:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR.
17:28:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
17:28:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD, MR. CARLSON.
17:28:07 >>BILL CARLSON: MISS MALONE MENTIONED THE ARC.
17:28:11 THEY DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION, BUT SOMETHING -- IF IT IS
17:28:17 NOT APPLICABLE, SINCE SHE MENTIONED IT, CAN YOU
17:28:17 EXPLAIN?
17:28:19 >> CERTAINLY APPLICABLE.
17:28:23 LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION INCLUDING ZONINGS NEED TO
17:28:25 BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:28:28 THE LAND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ISN'T IN THE YBOR
17:28:31 CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS
17:28:37 REPLETE WITH PROS YOU NEED TO BE SENSITIVE ON THE
17:28:41 PERIPHERY OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND WHAT THIS SITE WILL
17:28:45 NEED TO SHOW IN ORDER TO GET THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT.
17:28:49 JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT DOESN'T
17:28:52 MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T BE MINDFUL.
17:28:55 AND AN AREA WHERE YOU WILL HAVE HIGH DENSITY
17:28:58 REQUIREMENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WILL BE ON AN
17:29:00 APPLICANT IN A REZONING FOR THIS LAND TO SHOW THAT YOU
17:29:03 IT HAS BEEN APPROPRIATELY TAILORED.
17:29:04 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
17:29:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOING SOMEWHERE SIMILAR TO THAT VEIN.
17:29:11 IN COMPARISON TO ENCORE, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE
17:29:14 STREET, WHICH IS ALSO UNDER THE CRA, WOULD THIS BE
17:29:15 CONSISTENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENCES THAT ARE
17:29:22 ALLOWED IN ENCORE -- THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN ENCORE?
17:29:25 >> I AM NOT SURE -- JENNIFER -- IN MY VIEW, YES, IT
17:29:28 WILL BE, ALL OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS RMU-100.
17:29:31 I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH ENCORE
17:29:34 ALL OF WHICH -- THIS IS IN THE SAME CRA AS ENCORE,
17:29:36 CENTRAL PARK.
17:29:38 SO JUST EXTENDING --
17:29:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST TRYING GET A LITTLE COMPARISON.
17:29:45 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
17:29:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
17:29:53 SEEING NONE.
17:29:55 ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
17:29:59 ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
17:30:06 >>CLERK: JEAN STROHMEYER BUT SHE IS NOT LOGGED ON.
17:30:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION.
17:30:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
17:30:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION GRANTED.
17:30:12 MR. CARLSON, TAKE NUMBER 2.
17:30:16 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER
17:30:27 TA/CPA 21-25, IMAGINE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE
17:30:36 LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY
17:30:41 GA MILLION COURT AND 1314 NUCCIO PARKWAY FROM COMMUNITY
17:30:46 MIXED USE-35, TO REGIONAL MIXED USE-100, PROVIDING FOR
17:30:51 REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND PROVIDED FOR SEVERABILITY
17:30:55 PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.
17:31:00 JUST TO ADD THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND CONSISTENT.
17:31:03 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
17:31:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
17:31:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
17:31:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
17:31:20 >>BILL CARLSON: SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT GOMILLION IS.
17:31:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAY BE ONE OF THE COURTS IN TAMPA
17:31:23 PARK.
17:31:26 >>BILL CARLSON: THE NAME OF SOMEBODY, DO YOU KNOW?
17:31:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.
17:31:33 >>BILL CARLSON: ALL THESE HISTORIANS AND NOBODY KNOWS.
17:31:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE NAMES IN THE OLD TAMPA PARK PLAZA
17:31:39 ARE NAMED AFTER SOMEBODY.
17:31:41 >>BILL CARLSON: IF ANYBODY WATCHING HAS IT, PLEASE
17:31:44 E-MAIL US.
17:31:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 3.
17:31:49 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE AGAIN.
17:31:56 NUMBER 3 IS TA/CPA 21-28 LOCATED ON CLUSTER AVENUE IN THE
17:32:00 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE IN THE OLD SEMINOLE
17:32:01 HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:32:04 HERE IT IS OUTLINED IN BLUE THIS TIME EAST OF NORTH
17:32:11 FLORIDA AVENUE BO'S ICE CREAM SHOP LOCATED TO THE
17:32:11 SOUTH.
17:32:14 SELF-STORAGE FACILITY TO THE NORTH ALONG NORTH FLORIDA
17:32:18 AVENUE AND A VARIETY OF USES, COMMERCIAL USES, CAR
17:32:18 DEALERSHIPS --
17:32:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE SECOND.
17:32:24 CCTV, OUR MONITORS ARE NOT WORKING -- HERE WE GO.
17:32:25 YOU MAY CONTINUE.
17:32:27 >>JENNIFER MALONE: OKAY.
17:32:30 SO AS WE CAN SEE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN
17:32:32 BLUE, EAST OF NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
17:32:35 I WILL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO TAKE IN THE AERIAL, BUT
17:32:39 THERE IS A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY, SOME CAR DEALERSHIPS,
17:32:42 AND THE AMERICAN LEGION PARK IN THE AREA AS WELL, THEN
17:32:45 ALONG EAST CLUSTER WHICH IS WHERE THE SUBJECT SITE IS
17:32:51 LOCATED A LOT OF SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
17:32:55 IT IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT, PRIVATELY INITIATED.
17:32:59 .35 ACRE FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20.
17:33:02 THIS IS ONE OF THE SUBJECT SITES.
17:33:05 THE SUBJECT SITE BUT TWO PARCELS.
17:33:07 203 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.
17:33:11 THIS IS 201 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.
17:33:14 THIS IS THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN
17:33:17 IDEA WHAT IS ALONG EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.
17:33:20 AND THEN THIS IS FACING EAST.
17:33:24 SO NORTH FLORIDA IS BEHIND ME WHEN I TOOK THIS PICTURE.
17:33:26 AND THEN THIS IS ONE BLOCK TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE
17:33:31 JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA FACING WEST.
17:33:34 AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE VERY CLOSE ALONG NORTH
17:33:36 FLORIDA AVENUE.
17:33:40 SO THIS IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS YOU CAN
17:33:41 SEE.
17:33:41 RESIDENTIAL-10.
17:33:45 IT IS ALSO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35 ALONG NORTH FLORIDA
17:33:46 AVENUE WHICH IS THE RED COLOR.
17:33:50 TO THE SOUTH IS THE AMERICAN LEGION PARK IN THE GREEN.
17:33:54 THERE IS ALSO SOME PROPERTY OWNED BY SOME NONPROFITS IN
17:33:56 THE AMERICAN LEGION.
17:33:58 PUBLIC, SEMIPUBLIC.
17:34:02 FURTHER SOUTH ALONG EAST SLIGH IS MIXED USE 35, WHICH IS
17:34:05 THE PINK COLOR THAT ALLOWS A LOT OF THOSE COMMERCIAL
17:34:06 USES AS WELL.
17:34:09 RESIDENTIAL-20 IS ALSO WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA
17:34:11 WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ON THE
17:34:15 PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
17:34:19 SO THIS WOULD GIVE A SMALL INCREASE IN DENSITY.
17:34:22 IT WOULD GO FROM THREE DWELLING UNITS TO SEVEN DWELLING
17:34:24 UNITS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.
17:34:28 THE NONESSENTIAL SQUARE FEET FROM 5,000 TO 7,000.
17:34:30 SUBJECT SITE WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET LOCATIONAL
17:34:34 CRITERIA FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES.
17:34:37 SO THAT IS -- IT IS STILL A REQUIREMENT IN THE
17:34:39 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHIN THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL-20
17:34:43 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
17:34:46 SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS CONSISTENT
17:34:49 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:34:53 THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLAN OF USES FROM THE CORE
17:34:55 COMMERCIAL AREAS FROM THE SURROUNDING STABLE
17:34:56 NEIGHBORHOODS.
17:34:59 SO WE DID FIND THAT -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND
17:35:02 THAT -- SINCE IT IS VERY INTENSE ALONG NORTH FLORIDA
17:35:06 AVENUE THERE ARE WILL BE A SENSITIVE STEP DOWN FROM
17:35:08 THOSE USES ALONG NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
17:35:12 AS YOU KNOW, THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE, THERE
17:35:16 WAS A PLANNING EFFORT IN 2009, GREATER SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
17:35:21 VISION PLAN, AND THAT IS KINDS OF WHERE SOME OF THIS
17:35:24 LANGUAGE COMES FROM AS WELL AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK
17:35:27 AT THIS VISION PLAN FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AREA.
17:35:32 AND THE PROVISION FOR GROWTH TO URBAN VILLAGES TO MEET
17:35:35 THE NEED FOR TAMPA'S GROWING POPULATION.
17:35:38 THERE IS ALSO A PROVISION IN THE PLAN CALLED THE
17:35:41 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS NODE BONUS THAT ALLOW FOR COMPATIBLE
17:35:46 INFILL TO HAVE TRANSIT OUT OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS THAT
17:35:50 CAME OUT OF THE 2009 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS VISION PLAN.
17:35:52 THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS WOULD -- THE NODE
17:35:57 BONUS OF THE 25% INCREASE ABOVE THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND
17:36:03 USE AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL HELP -- THIS WOULD PROMOTE
17:36:07 LEGALIZATION OF THAT IN THIS AREA AND IT IS IN A GREAT
17:36:12 OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE INCREASED HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.
17:36:14 IT IS IN A GREAT SITUATION.
17:36:16 AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND IT CONSISTENT
17:36:19 AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE CITY STAFF
17:36:23 IS HERE, BUT THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS AS WELL.
17:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE,
17:36:26 GENTLEMEN?
17:36:31 ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
17:36:34 ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
17:36:38 >>CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS TO CLOSE ON THE ITEM.
17:36:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION GRANTED.
17:36:42 MR. MANISCALCO.
17:36:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR
17:36:45 FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
17:36:49 ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE
17:36:53 LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY
17:36:57 LOCATED 201 AND 203 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE FROM
17:37:02 RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20.
17:37:06 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,
17:37:09 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
17:37:10 DATE.
17:37:13 CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD AND THIS IS MY MOTION.
17:37:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
17:37:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.
17:37:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
17:37:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
17:37:20 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
17:37:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
17:37:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
17:37:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
17:37:29 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY TO APRIL 21, 2022
17:37:35 AT 9:30 A.M.
17:37:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 4.
17:37:38 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE IF YOUR PLANNING
17:37:39 COMMISSION.
17:37:45 ITEM NUMBER 4 FILE NO. TA/CPA 21-30.
17:37:49 THIS IS IN THE TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT AND PALMETTO
17:37:52 POLICE AND WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
17:37:55 THERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
17:37:57 IT IS EAST OF SOUTH 20TH STREET.
17:38:02 IT'S SEVERAL PARCELS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF -- JUST
17:38:07 LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THE CORNER OF SOUTH 22ND AND MAPLE
17:38:09 AND OAKWOOD.
17:38:10 TWO PARCELS ON MAPLE.
17:38:13 ONE ON OAKWOOD.
17:38:16 THE SOUTH 22ND STREET IS CHARACTERIZED BY COMMERCIAL
17:38:19 USES BUT THE INTERNAL LOCAL STREETS HAVE A LOT OF
17:38:22 RESIDENTIAL USES ON THEM AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE
17:38:24 INDUSTRIAL ALONG SOUTH 20TH STREET.
17:38:29 AND WE HAVE THE BAY TO THE EAST.
17:38:34 THIS IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT APPROXIMATELY 5.3 ACRES
17:38:39 AND REQUEST FROM 24 TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
17:38:44 HERE IS THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG OAKWOOD AVENUE FACING
17:38:44 NORTH.
17:38:50 THE INTERSECTION OF MAPLE AVENUE AND SOUTH 22ND STREET.
17:38:53 MAPLE AVENUE FACING EAST.
17:38:56 THE SUBJECT SITE WAS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE
17:38:57 SCREEN.
17:39:02 THIS IS JUST A -- JUST A STANDARD PICTURE OF THE TYPE
17:39:04 OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG MAPLE AVENUE.
17:39:08 AND THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
17:39:12 COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 WHICH IS THE PINK COLOR ALONG
17:39:15 SOUTH 22ND STREET THAT ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND
17:39:19 PROMOTES A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
17:39:24 THE SALMON COLOR IS TRANSITIONAL USE-24.
17:39:26 THAT PLAN CATEGORY GOES BACK TO THE TIME BEFORE
17:39:28 PLANNING AND ZONING ESSENTIALLY.
17:39:30 STAND ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES.
17:39:34 IT ALLOWS FOR SOME INDUSTRIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL USES
17:39:38 SO YOU CAN SEE IN PALMETTO BEACH, A LOT OF THIS AREA
17:39:41 HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
17:39:45 ALLOWABLE USE UNDER 24.
17:39:47 THE LIGHT GRAY AND DARK GRAY ARE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND
17:39:49 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
17:39:54 THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOW THESE THREE
17:39:57 PARCELS AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
17:40:01 AS WICK SEE ALREADY THAT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY
17:40:03 PRESENT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
17:40:05 THIS WOULD INCREASE THE POTENTIAL OF DWELLING UNITS
17:40:09 FROM 12 TO 18, AND WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF
17:40:15 NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 34,000 TO 46,000.
17:40:21 SO OVERALL ALLOW FOR DWELLING UNITS AND NONREFERRING.
17:40:24 AND TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH INDUSTRIAL GENERAL ZONED
17:40:24 USES.
17:40:29 SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE TRANSITIONAL USE 24
17:40:32 BUT NOT UNDER THE REQUESTED COMMUNITY MIXED 35.
17:40:34 THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THIS CONSISTENT
17:40:38 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE POLICIES I HAVE
17:40:42 LISTED ON THE SCREEN ARE WHAT CITED IN OUR
17:40:44 CONSISTENCY FINDING THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE
17:40:45 RESOLUTION.
17:40:48 THEY FOUND THE PLAN SUPPORTS THE TRANSPORTATION OF
17:40:52 CORRIDORS WITH A BROADER MIX OF USES AND PALMETTO BEACH
17:40:56 CAN BENEFIT FROM INCREASE IN DENSITY AND INTENSITY TO
17:40:59 ALLOW FOR THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THIS AREA.
17:41:02 AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD SUPPORT
17:41:06 WALKING AND THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
17:41:08 THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THIS CONSISTENT
17:41:09 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:41:13 CITY STAFF IS HERE, BUT THEY HAD NO OBJECTION.
17:41:15 AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
17:41:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE?
17:41:18 ALL RIGHT.
17:41:33 WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
17:41:37 >> GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN, TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH
17:41:38 ASHLEY DRIVE.
17:41:42 I AM THE APPLICANT FOR THE PARTICULAR MAP AMENDMENT.
17:41:44 I WANT TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT JENNIFER
17:41:45 NOTED.
17:41:48 WE ARE FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE IT IS.
17:41:53 THIS -- THERE IS A DEINDUSTRIAL ELEMENT TO THIS.
17:41:57 TRANSITIONAL USE-24 IS A CATEGORY, AS JENNIFER ALLUDED
17:42:00 TO, USED FOR PROPERTY THAT YOU PROCEED WITH A PLANNING
17:42:01 AND ZONING STATUS.
17:42:07 IF YOU CAN -- IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE 24, IT WOULD LOOK
17:42:12 LIKE A QUESTION MARK AND IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE
17:42:16 DIRECTION, THE DEVELOPMENT EFFORT IS MATERIALIZING.
17:42:20 GIVEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TA-24 AND CMU-35, AND
17:42:24 JENNIFER ALLUDED TO THE IMPORTANT PARTS, NO LONGER
17:42:28 ALLOW INDUSTRIAL IN THE RESIDENTIAL EMERGING MIXED USE
17:42:29 NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:42:34 THE DENSITY IS A MODEST 25% FROM 24 UNITS AN ACRE TO 30
17:42:35 UNITS.
17:42:39 INTENSITY IN TERMS OF WHAT IS BY RIGHT, THE FOLKS CAN
17:42:41 COME PAY FOR BONUS DENSITY.
17:42:44 WHAT YOU GET BY RIGHT IS A DECREASE.
17:42:49 GET FOR FREE A 1.5 F.A.R. AND GO DOWN TO A 1.0.
17:42:52 OPPORTUNITIES TO BUY UP THAT THROUGH, AGAIN, THE BONUS
17:42:55 PROCESS THAT COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH.
17:43:01 FROM AN INTENSITY STAT REDUCTION IN WHAT IS BY RIGHT.
17:43:06 AS JENNIFER NOTED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS
17:43:06 CONSISTENT.
17:43:09 THIS IS UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP AND WE ARE WORKING WITH
17:43:11 THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON WHAT EVENTUALLY THE REZONING FOR
17:43:16 THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE TO KNIT ALL THIS TOGETHER,
17:43:18 BUT AGAIN, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE OF THE
17:43:21 FUTURE LAND USE THAT WILL SHAPE THE ORIGINAL REZONING.
17:43:24 JENNIFER CALLED IT "SALMON."
17:43:25 THE RED COLOR.
17:43:30 TU-24 IS NOT MENTIONED A LOT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:43:32 WHERE IT IS MENTIONED IT IS NOT MENTIONED PARTICULARLY
17:43:35 FAVORABLY WITH THE UNDERLINE ON THE STREAM, THE
17:43:39 LONG-TERM STRATEGY OF THE CITY IS TO REDUCE NUMBER OF
17:43:43 PARCELS DESIGNATED AS TU-24.
17:43:46 NOT COME FROM SOME BROAD CITY ACTION OR THE CITY
17:43:47 INITIATES IT ON THEIR OWN.
17:43:50 IT COMES FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT YOU SEE BETTER
17:43:55 DIRECTION AND MORE DEATH-DEFYING INFORMATION OF WHAT
17:43:56 THEY WANT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE LIKE.
17:44:00 FROM TU-24 AND STAFF WILL PROBABLY AGREE IS THE NEXT
17:44:03 INCREMENTAL STEP UP WHICH WOULD BE A CMU-35
17:44:06 DESIGNATION.
17:44:08 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADDRESSES THE SOUTH TAMPA
17:44:13 PLANNING DISTRICT, SOUTH TAMPA, AND OTHER PLANNING
17:44:14 DISTRICTS THE CITY.
17:44:17 AND THE URBAN CORE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:44:20 PALMETTO BEACH MAY BE A LITTLE STRETCH TO CALL IT A
17:44:24 URBAN PERIPHERY BUT CLOSE TO THE HIGHER DENSITY
17:44:27 EMERGING PARTS OF THE CITY AND PLANNED PROVISIONS ARE
17:44:29 ON YOUR SCREEN FOR THE BENEFITS.
17:44:30 HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING.
17:44:33 THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
17:44:36 WHILE A MIXTURE OF USE COULD INCLUDE INDUSTRIAL, BUT
17:44:40 NOT EVERYBODY WILL THINK THAT INDUSTRIAL IS
17:44:42 INCOMPATIBLE IN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
17:44:45 BY APPROVING THIS, WE GET AWAY FROM THAT.
17:44:46 22ND STREET.
17:44:50 IN IS THE IKEA -- YOU TAKE THE IKEA AND GO DOWN IS
17:44:52 PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL.
17:44:55 AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXTURE OF
17:45:00 USES TO CREATE SORT OF THE 15-MINUTE CITY IF YOU LIVE
17:45:04 IN PALMETTO BEACH, YOU CAN WALK TO GET SUNDRIES AND
17:45:05 THINGS LIKE THAT.
17:45:11 THE CM U-35 IS MORE ACCOMMODATING THAN THE TU-24 WOULD
17:45:11 BE.
17:45:15 THIS IS THE TAMPA CENTRAL PLANNING DISTRICT.
17:45:20 ANTICIPATION OF -- CMU-35 IS A LOW TO MODERATE LAND USE
17:45:22 CATEGORY.
17:45:25 AS WE ALLUDED, THIS IS NOT NEXT TO DOWNTOWN AND WOULD
17:45:28 NOT --
17:45:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. HUDSON, MOST OF YOUR INDUSTRIALS
17:45:34 IF I RECALL OF PALMETTO BEACH AREAS IS TO THE
17:45:36 SOUTHWEST.
17:45:38 >> INTO THE WEST DIRECTLY AND NIGHTTIME SOUTH.
17:45:44 THIS IS GETTING TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE RESIDENTIAL
17:45:45 CLUSTER.
17:45:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHERE THE T IS.
17:45:48 >> CORRECT.
17:45:50 WE ARE OVER WHERE THE -- WHERE THE STAR IS.
17:45:53 WE ARE FAIRLY FAR EAST.
17:45:55 WE ARE ONLY A BLOCK OFF THE WATER TO THE WEST.
17:45:57 THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE.
17:45:59 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
17:46:01 QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
17:46:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUDSON.
17:46:08 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
17:46:10 ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
17:46:14 >>CLERK: NO ONE REGISTERED.
17:46:15 >> MOTION.
17:46:16 >> SECOND.
17:46:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION GRANTED.
17:46:20 NUMBER 4, MR. CITRO.
17:46:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
17:46:27 ITEM NUMBER 4 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
17:46:33 CONSIDERATION, AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
17:46:37 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND
17:46:42 USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY 2015 AND 2017 MAPLE AVENUE AND
17:46:48 2020 OAKWOOD AVENUE FROM TRANSITIONAL USE-24, TU-24 TO
17:46:52 COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35, CMU-35.
17:46:56 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT;
17:47:01 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
17:47:02 DATE.
17:47:04 AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FOUND IN AMENDMENT
17:47:05 CONSISTENT.
17:47:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
17:47:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
17:47:09 ROLL CALL.
17:47:09 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
17:47:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
17:47:12 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
17:47:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
17:47:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
17:47:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
17:47:18 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY SECOND READING AND
17:47:24 ADOPTION WILL BE APRIL 21, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
17:47:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
17:47:30 GUDES OPEN.
17:47:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OPEN NOW 5-9.
17:47:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.
17:47:39 MOTION.
17:47:41 OPPOSED.
17:47:42 ITEM NUMBER 5.
17:47:44 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
17:47:44 COORDINATION.
17:47:48 CAN I PLEASE BE SWORN IN ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE
17:47:50 STAFF.
17:47:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK WILL SWEAR EVERYONE IN.
17:48:09 [SWEARING IN]
17:48:10 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:48:12 GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, CATE
17:48:17 WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
17:48:20 >>CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
17:48:22 [SWEARING IN]
17:48:24 >>CATE WELLS: MY APOLOGIES.
17:48:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHE GOT TO DO HER THING.
17:48:31 >>CATE WELLS: ABSOLUTELY, I FORGET OF THE VIRTUAL
17:48:32 COMPONENT.
17:48:36 I'M HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 5, CATE WELLS, WITH ME IS
17:48:40 SENIOR CITY ATTORNEY IN THE LITIGATION PRACTICE GROUP.
17:48:43 THIS ITEM IS BEFORE COUNCIL BASED ON THE SPECIAL
17:48:46 MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION FROM A REQUEST
17:48:51 FOR RELIEF FILED BY WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS LCC PURSUANT
17:48:56 TO SECTION 70.51 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
17:49:00 KNOWN AS THE FLORIDA LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE
17:49:01 RESOLUTION ACT.
17:49:04 I WANT TO MAKE A FEW SHORT COMMENTS BEFORE PROVIDING
17:49:07 THE HISTORY OF THIS AND THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED
17:49:08 SETTLEMENT.
17:49:11 UNLIKE THE STANDARD REZONING APPLICATIONS SCHEDULED FOR
17:49:14 YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, ANY TIME CITY COUNCIL
17:49:17 CONSIDERS A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL, YOUR ROLE IS
17:49:22 LEGISLATIVE AND ALLOW COUNCILS TO CONSIDER ITEMS
17:49:26 OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE
17:49:29 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE
17:49:33 IMPACT AND PUBLIC INTEREST RESULTING FROM THE PROPOSED
17:49:33 SETTLEMENT.
17:49:36 AFTER I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HEAR FROM
17:49:39 SCOTT STEADY, WHO WAS RETAINED BY THE CITY AND
17:49:41 WHITFIELD TO BE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
17:49:44 ONCE MR. STEADY MAKES HIS PRESENTATION ON THE MEDIATION
17:49:47 PROCESS WE FOLLOWED AND EXPLAINS HIS RECOMMENDATION,
17:49:50 YOU WILL HEAR FROM CITY STAFF, PLANNING COMMISSION
17:49:54 STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE PUBLIC, AND I RECOMMEND THAT
17:49:56 YOU CONCLUDE THE HEARING ONCE PROVIDE THE APPLICANT
17:49:59 WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.
17:50:04 AND FINALLY, AS YOU CONSIDER THE TESTIMONY IN EVIDENCE
17:50:06 ENTERED INTO THE RECORD OF TONIGHT'S HEARING, PLEASE
17:50:09 REMEMBER THAT ALTHOUGH THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S REPORT
17:50:16 AND RECOMMENDATION IS A PUBLIC RECORD, ACTIONS AND
17:50:20 STATEMENTS OF REPRESENTATIVES IS AN OFFER OF COMPROMISE
17:50:22 AND INADMISSIBLE IN ANY PROCEEDING.
17:50:26 I MENTION THIS IN THE FACT THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED THAT
17:50:28 THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING PRECEDENT IF YOU ADOPT
17:50:36 AND ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION AT
17:50:41 YOUR JANUARY 21, 2021 MEETING 16 MONTHS AGO, CITY
17:50:44 COUNCIL DENIED FROM IH TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
17:50:46 WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
17:50:49 MULTIFAMILY PROJECT CONTAINING 299 DWELLING UNITS
17:50:53 57BDZ,000-SQUARE-FEET OF RETAIL SPACE WITHIN A
17:50:54 FOUR-STORY BUILDING.
17:50:58 CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION TO DENY FOCUSED ON A FEW AREAS
17:51:02 INCLUDING INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED INTENSITY OF
17:51:04 DEVELOPMENT AND FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE
17:51:09 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, WHICH
17:51:13 PROVIDES IN PART A PROPOSED LAND DEVELOPMENT REZONING
17:51:18 THAT ABUTS EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS
17:51:21 TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, NEWS DEMONSTRATE
17:51:24 THROUGH DESIGNED AND ACCEPTED PRACTICES THAT THE
17:51:29 OCCUPANT OF THE NEW USE ISSUED NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK OF
17:51:34 SUCH HAZARDS, FEBRUARY 19, 2021, WOODFIELD FILED A
17:51:38 REQUEST FOR RELIEF PURSUANT TO 51 AND A SEPARATE
17:51:41 THREE-COUNT COMPLAINT IN CIRCUIT COURT WHICH INCLUDES A
17:51:47 PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI AND COMPLAINT OF 42 USC
17:51:50 SECTION 1983 THAT ALLEGES THAT COUNCIL'S DECISION
17:51:57 VIOLATED WOODFIELD'S CONSTITUTIONAL DISAGREE.
17:51:59 MISS HARGRETT IS HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING
17:52:02 THE LEGISLATION WHICH IS STAYED PENDING THE OUTCOME OF
17:52:03 THIS PROCEEDING.
17:52:05 NOW TURNING YOUR ATTENTION BACK TO THE PROCEDURAL
17:52:10 HISTORY OF THIS APPLICATION.
17:52:13 WHEN THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF WAS ORIGINALLY FILED WITH
17:52:15 THE CITY, MY OFFICE PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH THE
17:52:18 MEMORANDUM DESCRIBING THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING
17:52:23 UNDER 70-51 THAT INCLUDES THE TWO-STEP PROCESS.
17:52:25 THE FIRST OF WHICH REQUIRES THE SPECIAL MANAGE STRAIGHT
17:52:29 TO CONDUCT AN INFORMAL MEDIATION OF WHICH THE CITY AND
17:52:33 WHITFIELD CONSIDERED ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENTS RESPONSE
17:52:36 STOVE COUNCIL'S DECISION OF DENIAL ON THE APPLICATION.
17:52:39 IN THIS CASE, THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CONDUCTED FOUR
17:52:43 SEPARATE MEDIATIONS BETWEEN MAY AND OCTOBER OF 2021.
17:52:48 DURING THE FINAL MEDIATION, WOODFIELD PRESENTED TWO
17:52:51 ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS ATTENDED TO ADDRESS THE BASIS
17:52:53 FOR COUNCIL'S DENIAL.
17:52:56 COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
17:52:58 WHO ELECTED TO PARTICIPATE AND FROM CITY
17:52:59 REPRESENTATIVES.
17:53:03 AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE FOURTH MEDIATION, THE CITY,
17:53:07 WHITFIELD AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FELT THAT PROGRESS
17:53:10 HAD BEEN MADE AND AGREED TO COOPERATE AND FINALIZE THE
17:53:13 SITE PLANS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
17:53:17 THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE BY ORDERED ISSUED DECEMBER 2,
17:53:19 2021, RECOMMENDS THAT CITY COUNCIL ACCEPT THIS
17:53:19 PROPOSAL.
17:53:24 AND THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS WENT THROUGH DRC REVIEW
17:53:25 ON DECEMBER 15.
17:53:29 SO TONIGHT'S HEARING IS PART OF THE FIRST STEP OF THE
17:53:31 ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL TO
17:53:35 CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS AS A PROPOSED
17:53:37 SETTLEMENT.
17:53:40 IF CITY COUNCIL REJECTS THE MEDIATED RESOLUTION, THE
17:53:43 SECOND STEP IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WILL COMMENCE
17:53:46 AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HOLD A HEARING TO
17:53:49 CONSIDER THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES SET FORTH IN THE
17:53:51 REQUEST FOR RELIEF.
17:53:54 TO DETERMINE WHETHER CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION IN JANUARY
17:53:58 OF LAST YEAR WAS UNREASONABLE FOR UNFAIRLY BURDENS THE
17:53:59 PROPERTY.
17:54:02 THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS
17:54:03 DENIED A YEAR AGO.
17:54:06 AS MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN REQUESTED APPROVAL
17:54:11 FOR 299 UNITS, WHICH AMOUNTS TO A DENSITY OF
17:54:14 APPROXIMATELY 35 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE.
17:54:17 THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ARE
17:54:21 BASED UPON WHETHER CHEMICAL FORMULATORS VERY LOW KATE
17:54:25 ITS BUSINESS FROM THE CURRENT LOCATION AT 5215 W. TYSON
17:54:26 AVENUE.
17:54:31 THE FIRST SITE PLAN PREMISED UPON CFI REMAINING IN ITS
17:54:34 CURRENT POSITION PROPOSE TODAY MITIGATE THE IMPACTS
17:54:39 PRESENTED BY CFIS REQUIRED BY LAND USE POLICIES 8.11.5.
17:54:42 DURING THE MEDIATION, CITY REPRESENTATIVES MADE IT
17:54:45 CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT THAT THE CITY'S WILLING
17:54:48 CONTINUES TO PRESENT AND SUPPORT THE PROPOSED
17:54:51 SETTLEMENT SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED AS EVIDENCE OF
17:54:52 COMPLIANCE WITH THIS POLICY.
17:54:56 THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S BURDEN AND ONE THEY MUST
17:54:58 ESTABLISH DURING TONIGHT'S HEARING.
17:55:01 THE SECOND SITE PLAN SHOWS THE PROPOSED PLAN OF
17:55:05 DEVELOPMENT IF CFI TERMINATES ITS OPERATION.
17:55:07 WE WILL HEAR FROM STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HO WHO
17:55:12 PROVIDE MANY MORE DETAILS ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLANS
17:55:14 THEN I AM GOING TO GIVE OUGHT THIS MOMENT.
17:55:18 GENERALLY REDUCED NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS FROM 299 TO
17:55:23 226 AT A DENSITY OF 27 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE.
17:55:27 IN DENSITY IS COMPARABLE TO OTHER PROJECTS THE CITY
17:55:29 COUNCIL HAS APPROVED ON RATTLESNAKE POINT.
17:55:34 THE SITE PLANS SHOW THE PARKING GARAGES BEING ENCLOSED
17:55:40 MODIFIED TO HAVE THE LOWER DENSITY AND A BUFFER FROM
17:55:43 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE WOODFIELD AND CHEMICAL
17:55:45 FORMULATORS TO THE SOUTH.
17:55:47 THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE BEEN MOVED AWAY FROM THE
17:55:49 SOUTHEAST PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
17:55:55 AND THE APPLICANT YOU HAS VOLUNTARILY OFFERED A PAYMENT
17:55:59 OF $174,000 TO BE APPLIED TO IMPROVEMENT TO TYSON
17:56:04 AVENUE IS IN ADDITION TO THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE
17:56:07 MITIGATION FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW
17:56:10 TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE AND MITIGATION
17:56:15 PAYMENT FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE INNER BAY DISTRICT.
17:56:19 THIS PAYMENT IS VOLUNTARY AND NOT REQUIRED BY THE LAND
17:56:20 DEVELOPMENT CODE.
17:56:24 IF APPROVED THE SITE PLANS AND ZONING EXPRESSLY PROVIDE
17:56:28 THAT CITY COUNCIL RETAINS EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY TO AMENDS
17:56:30 OR MODIFY THE SITE PLAN.
17:56:34 ANY CODE PROVISION THAT WOULD OTHERWISE ALLOW STAFF TO
17:56:37 MAKE ANY MINOR AMENDMENTS ADMINISTRATIVELY WILL NOT
17:56:39 APPLY HERE.
17:56:42 ONLY THIS CITY COUNCIL CAN AMEND THE SITE PLANS IF
17:56:44 APPROVED THIS EVENING.
17:56:48 AND IN A REGULAR REZONING OR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING,
17:56:50 CITY COUNCIL LOOKS TO WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS
17:56:54 DEMONSTRATED BY SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT THE
17:56:56 PROJECT MEETS THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
17:56:59 REGULATIONS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT BECAUSE
17:57:03 THIS IS A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS
17:57:05 THAT CITY COUNCIL MUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
17:57:08 INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IF THE SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL IS
17:57:13 APPROVED, THE LAWSUIT FILED IN CIRCUIT COURT WILL BE
17:57:16 DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE AND EACH PARTY WILL BEAR THEIR
17:57:18 OWN ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS.
17:57:21 SO YOUR OPTIONS THIS EVENING ARE SET OUT UNDER SECTION
17:57:26 70.51, SUBSECTIONS 21.
17:57:30 FIRST IS TO ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND
17:57:33 RECOMMENDATION AND PROCEED TO IMPLEMENT THE
17:57:34 RECOMMENDATION.
17:57:40 IN THIS CASE RECOMMENDATION -- IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
17:57:43 RECOMMENDATION WILL BE THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND
17:57:46 PLACE ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING.
17:57:50 IF THE CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT WOODFIELD FAILED TO
17:57:54 MEET ITS BURDEN AND FAILED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
17:57:58 OTHER MATTERS, CITY COUNCIL MAY REJECT THE SPECIAL
17:58:00 MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.
17:58:03 AND FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MAY MODIFY THE RECOMMENDATION
17:58:08 AND IMPLEMENT THIS SUBJECT TO WHITFIELD'S CONSENT TO
17:58:09 THE MODIFICATION.
17:58:14 UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AND MISS I NA
17:58:17 HARGRETT GUDES I LISTENED TO THAT.
17:58:20 FIRST PART YOU GAVE TWO SCENARIOS AND THE END YOU GAVE
17:58:20 TWO.
17:58:26 IF THIS COUNCIL DENYS THIS SETTLEMENT, IT NOW GOES BACK
17:58:28 TO THE MAGISTRATE AGAIN.
17:58:29 IS THAT CORRECT?
17:58:32 I AM HEARING -- YOU ALREADY HAS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT
17:58:35 PER SE.
17:58:39 IF WE DON'T AGREE GOES BACK AND HAS A FINAL DECISION
17:58:40 WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL'S DECISION.
17:58:43 >>CATE WELLS: THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HOLD A
17:58:46 SECOND HEARING BY WHICH TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AND THE
17:58:48 SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER
17:58:53 COUNCIL'S DENIAL IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR CONSTITUTES AN
17:58:58 UNFAIR BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY.
17:59:01 THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL.
17:59:05 THAT IS NOT FINAL SUBJECT TO APPROVAL.
17:59:06 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
17:59:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS FOR MISS WELLS.
17:59:10 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU.
17:59:12 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
17:59:15 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN --
17:59:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE SECOND.
17:59:20 MR. CITRO, I SEE YOUR BOY SCOUT -- THIS MAY BE LOG.
17:59:21 YOU WANT TO GET THEM IN.
17:59:23 >> I WAS GOING TO POINT THEM OUT TO YOU.
17:59:25 BECAUSE I THINK I AM GOING TO BE UPSTAGED.
17:59:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH YOUR PERMISSION AND IF I MAY
17:59:28 QUICKLY.
17:59:31 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE WAS A MIX-UP ON TIMING IN
17:59:34 WHICH ONE OF THESE FINE YOUNG SCOUTS TO BE ANNOUNCED.
17:59:38 WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE ENTERED
17:59:42 INTO THE CHAMBERS AND BE RECOGNIZED.
17:59:46 THANK YOU.
17:59:47 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
18:00:33 THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS.
18:00:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY
18:00:35 MUCH.
18:00:36 MARTIN HERNANDEZ.
18:00:39 HE WILL BE TELLING US -- COME IN, GENTLEMEN.
18:00:41 HE WILL BE GIVING US THE TROOP NUMBER AND NAME.
18:00:43 MR. HERNANDEZ, PLEASE, AND THANK YOU.
18:00:45 >> THANK YOU.
18:00:49 MARK HERNANDEZ WITH SCOUTING TROOP 53 FROM SOUTH TAMPA.
18:00:51 COME NON, BOYS.
18:00:53 EACH ONE CAN QUICKLY SAY WHAT YOUR NAME.
18:00:56 SCHOOL YOU GO TO.
18:00:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW OLD YOU ARE AND HOW LONG YOU HAVE
18:00:59 BEEN IN SCOUTING.
18:01:00 >> CAIN VERA.
18:01:02 I AM 11.
18:01:06 GO TO MITCHELL ELEMENTARY, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING
18:01:09 SINCE FIRST GRADE.
18:01:11 >> MY NAME IS LUKE OLIVER.
18:01:16 I GO TO -- I AM 12 YEARS OLD, AND I GO TO FRANKLIN BOYS
18:01:19 MIDDLE MAGNET PREPARATORY ACADEMY, AND I HAVE BEEN IN
18:01:22 SCOUTING SINCE FIRST GRADE.
18:01:25 >> I AM BLAIR KEATS.
18:01:26 I AM 15.
18:01:29 GO TO ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING
18:01:33 -- BOY SCOUTS FOR FIVE YEARS.
18:01:38 >> I AM LUCAS MARSET, AND BEEN IN SCOUTING SINCE FIRST GRADE.
18:01:40 AND -- AND I AM 11.
18:01:43 AND GO TO MITCHELL ELEMENTARY.
18:01:46 AND FIRST GRADE.
18:01:47 SINCE FIRST GRADE.
18:01:48 >> FIVE YEARS.
18:01:51 >> FIVE YEARS.
18:01:55 >> MY NAME IS JAVIER KEATS.
18:01:55 I AM 14.
18:01:58 GO TO MADISON MIDDLE SCHOOL.
18:02:01 AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR 14 -- FOUR YEARS
18:02:04 ACTUALLY.
18:02:07 >> MY NAME IS JACKSON.
18:02:10 I AM 13, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS AND
18:02:13 GO TO HOLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
18:02:15 >> MY NAME IS BEN.
18:02:18 I AM 14 AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR TWO YEARS AND I
18:02:21 GO TO TAMPA PREP.
18:02:22 >> I AM SCOTT.
18:02:27 I AM 16.
18:02:30 I GO TO THE ACADEMY AND I HAVE BEEN SCOUTING FOR FIVE
18:02:33 YEARS.
18:02:37 >> MY NAME IS HALSY KEATS.
18:02:41 GO TO ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL AND I AM 15M AND I HAVE IN
18:02:42 SCOUTING FOR TEN YEARS.
18:02:43 >> JACOB HERNANDEZ.
18:02:45 GO TO JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL.
18:02:49 15 YEARS OLD, AND I HAVE BEEN SCOUTING FOR FIVE YEARS.
18:02:52 >> MY NAME IS LUCAS HERNANDEZ.
18:02:54 I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR THREE YEARS.
18:02:55 14 YEARS OLD.
18:02:59 AND I GO TO COLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
18:03:01 >> MY NAME IS PETER ROSE.
18:03:06 I GO TO COLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
18:03:09 I AM 14 AND HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS.
18:03:12 >> MY NAME IS REED JACKSON.
18:03:13 I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS.
18:03:15 AND I GO TO -- I AM 14.
18:03:19 AND BY TO PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
18:03:21 >> MY NAME IS JACK PROSE.
18:03:22 I AM 11.
18:03:24 I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS AND GO TO
18:03:28 MITCHELL ELEMENTARY.
18:03:33 >> MY NAME IS ALEXANDER MASEA AND GO TO MITCHELL
18:03:33 ELEMENTARY.
18:03:36 I AM 11 YEARS OLD, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR THREE
18:03:37 YEARS.
18:03:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE PARENTS OUT THERE?
18:03:41 >> THE PARENTS ARE OUT THERE.
18:03:44 ONE MORE SCOUT THAT GOT STUCK IN SOME RAIN.
18:03:50 COME IN, BUDDY.
18:03:51 SAY YOUR NAME AND AGE.
18:03:52 LOUD.
18:03:53 THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU.
18:03:57 >> FOLEY BURNS, AND I AM 11.
18:03:59 HOW LONG.
18:04:01 >> HOW LONG HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTS?
18:04:05 >> I JUST JOINED A FEW MONTHS AGO AND ACADEMY OF HOLY
18:04:06 NAMES.
18:04:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOUNG SCOUT, STAY AT THE PODIUM.
18:04:13 PLEASE RISE AND LET THE SCOUT LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF
18:04:19 ALLEGIANCE.
18:04:30 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
18:04:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW, MR. CHAIR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION,
18:04:36 IF WE HAVE ENOUGH SEATS, MAYBE THESE YOUNG SCOUTS CAN
18:04:39 JOIN US FOR A FEW MINUTES TO SEE HOW THEIR LOCAL
18:04:41 GOVERNMENT WORKS.
18:04:43 IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR?
18:04:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE THE PARENTS AND THE
18:04:48 SCOUTMASTER HERE?
18:04:52 >> YES, SIR, THIS IS -- THIS IS JACKSON, RETIRED
18:04:57 COLONEL WHO IS OUR SCOUTMASTER.
18:04:58 AND OTHER SCOUT LEADERS OUTSIDE.
18:05:04 FORMER SCOUTMASTER, COMMANDER HALSEY KEATS AND A BUNCH
18:05:05 OF OTHER PARENT OUT THERE.
18:05:06 YOU CAN COME IN.
18:05:07 THEY DON'T BITE.
18:05:10 THANK YOU, ALL.
18:05:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEY HAD TO GET HERE SOMEHOW.
18:05:19 >> YES.
18:05:22 SMITH HERNANDEZ AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE FINE
18:05:25 YOUNG MEN DOWN HERE AND OUR PLEASURE TO HAVE THEM IN
18:05:28 AND I AM GLAD THEY ARE HERE TO SEE HOW THEIR LOCAL
18:05:28 GOVERNMENT WORKS.
18:05:30 THANK YOU, AGAIN, MR. CHAIR.
18:05:31 AUDIENCE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:05:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO SAY WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE --
18:05:38 EXPLAIN WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW SO WHAT THE
18:05:38 PROCEDURES ARE.
18:05:41 WHAT ARE WE DOING?
18:05:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SCOUTS, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS LAND
18:05:48 USE CHANGES.
18:05:49 WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
18:05:53 AND WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM MANY DIFFERENT SIDES, THE
18:05:58 CITY, THE PLANNING FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THE
18:06:02 CORPORATIONS AND OR COMPANIES THAT WANT TO CHANGE THIS
18:06:07 LAND USE AND MORE ESPECIALLY, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM
18:06:10 THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITIZENS.
18:06:14 AND HOPEFULLY AFTER HEARING EVERYTHING THAT IS
18:06:18 DISCUSSED, REMEMBER, DIALOGUE SOLVES EVERYTHING.
18:06:22 WE WILL THEN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT LAND USE OR
18:06:26 PROPOSED LAND USE -- LAND USE CHANGE.
18:06:31 SO SIT BACK, LISTEN CAREFULLY, AND SEE HOW OUR -- HOW
18:06:33 YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKS.
18:06:35 MR. CHAIR, WAS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?
18:06:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
18:06:39 THANK YOU.
18:06:42 NO SENSE HAVING THE YOUNG PEOPLE HERE UNLESS THEY KNOW
18:06:43 THE PROCESS.
18:06:45 YOU LEARN BY SEEING AND DOING.
18:06:47 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE YOUNG PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE ARE
18:06:49 DOING AT ALL TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS GOING
18:06:50 FORWARD.
18:06:52 MR. MAGISTRATE, IF YOU WANT TO BEGIN, SIR.
18:06:55 >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL,
18:07:00 SCOTT STEADY, SUITE 3200, ONE TAMPA CITY CENTER.
18:07:01 A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.
18:07:03 SO WE WILL START.
18:07:06 CATE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS AND I WANT
18:07:07 TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.
18:07:10 ONE IS WE DID HAVE FOUR MEDIATION SESSIONS.
18:07:12 I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A NUMBER OF YEARS.
18:07:14 THAT -- WE USUALLY HAVE TWO, MAYBE THREE.
18:07:18 BOTH SIDES REALLY WORKED REAL HARD TO COME UP WITH
18:07:20 THESE TWO ALTERNATIVES.
18:07:23 AND I THINK YOU HAVE SOME -- A GOOD DECISION TONIGHT,
18:07:25 BUT THERE IS A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO THIS.
18:07:28 I THINK ONE OF THE MOST HELPFUL THINGS THAT OCCURRED
18:07:33 WAS OUR FIRST MEDIATION SESSION, WOODFIELD BROUGHT IN
18:07:38 AN EXPERT THAT YOU WILL HEAR LATE THEIR EXPLAINED THE
18:07:39 OPERATION NEXT DOOR.
18:07:41 I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY CAME FORWARD IN THE
18:07:44 FIRST HEARING THAT YOU HEARD, BUT THEY TALKED OF THE
18:07:46 OPERATIONS, THE RISK INVOLVED WITH THOSE OPERATIONS,
18:07:50 THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE RISKS AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE
18:07:52 CHEMICALS ENTER THE ENVIRONMENT.
18:07:54 WITH THAT TESTIMONY, IT REALLY ALLOWED THE STAFF TO
18:07:59 REALLY CONSIDER THOSE ISSUES TO COME UP WITH A -- WITH
18:08:02 THE MITIGATION EFFORTS, MITIGATION, EXCUSE ME,
18:08:05 CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE ALTERNATIVE ONE ASSUMING
18:08:07 THAT CFI STAYS WITH THE LOCATION.
18:08:11 SO I THINK THAT REALLY HELPED MAKE A -- MAKE THIS WORK.
18:08:19 AND TO HAVE THIS COME BACK TO YOU A BUT AS CATE SAID,
18:08:21 THE EXPERT WILL TESTIFY TONIGHT AND YOU NEED TO
18:08:23 CONSIDER HIS TESTIMONY AND WHETHER YOU THINK THEY
18:08:27 PRESENTED AND DEALT WITH THE RISK INVOLVED WITH THE CFI
18:08:28 NEXT DOOR.
18:08:31 SO WITH THAT, CATE WENT THROUGH.
18:08:33 THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONING, OTHER COMPROMISE AS THAT
18:08:35 WERE MADE.
18:08:41 299 UNITS BASICALLY 25% REDUCTION TO THE 226.
18:08:45 THERE WAS THE 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT COMMERCIAL THAT WAS
18:08:48 CUSSED AT THE HEARING WITH THE DENIAL, BUT SINCE THEN,
18:08:51 I THINK THE COMMERCIAL USES HAVE EXPANDED SO THAT IT
18:08:55 WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A BETTER MIXED-USE
18:08:55 PROJECT.
18:08:58 WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT, TOO, ABOUT THE EXTRA
18:09:04 CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENT OF TYSON.
18:09:05 174,000.
18:09:08 I WAS INVOLVED IN ANOTHER MEDIATION ON TYSON AND THIS
18:09:10 WAS SIMILAR TO THE CONTRIBUTION THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BY
18:09:11 CODE.
18:09:14 IT IS AN OVER AND ABOVE THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
18:09:17 ALSO, THERE IS A PROVISION THERE THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE
18:09:21 PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THE FUTURE
18:09:24 LIGHT THAT WILL GO AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE.
18:09:30 THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE PAID AT BUILDING PERMITS
18:09:33 WHICH IS SOONER RATHER THAN NORMAL.
18:09:35 THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATED DURING THE PROCESS DURING THE
18:09:37 FOUR MEDIATIONS.
18:09:39 I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS HERE TONIGHT I AM
18:09:42 SURE THEY WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT IT.
18:09:44 WITH THAT, I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR
18:09:46 CONSIDERATION OF BOTH ALTERNATIVES.
18:09:49 AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM STAFF AND AS WELL AS THE
18:09:50 DEVELOPER.
18:09:52 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS --
18:09:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE ONE.
18:09:54 WHEN YOU TALK OF THE EXPERT.
18:09:58 THEY HAD AN EXPERT LAST TITHE TIME IS MY UNDERSTANDING,
18:09:59 IS THAT CORRECT?
18:10:03 >> I DON'T BELIEVE THE EXPERT THAT SPOKE FOR WOODFIELD
18:10:05 WAS PRESENT -- NO, NO.
18:10:08 SO TONIGHT YOU WILL HEAR THE EXPERT THAT SPOKE AT THE
18:10:12 FIRST MEDIATION THAT REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE CHEMICALS,
18:10:14 THE RISKS INVOLVED.
18:10:17 AND HOW THEY -- WHEN THEY ENTER THE ENVIRONMENT, HOW
18:10:22 THEY REACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND BARRIERS THAT CAN BE
18:10:26 PUT UP LIKE THE PARKING GARAGE TO PREVENT INTRUSION
18:10:27 INTO THE PROJECT.
18:10:30 SO THAT IS GOING TO BE NEW TESTIMONY.
18:10:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
18:10:33 WE ARE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
18:10:33 >> YES.
18:10:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE ANY
18:10:39 QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
18:10:40 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:10:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL BEGIN.
18:10:48 HAVE THE APPLICANT.
18:10:57 ZAIN, GOING TO BE YOU TONIGHT.
18:10:59 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: YES, SIR.
18:11:00 HOW ARE YOU DOING.
18:11:02 ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
18:11:04 I WANT TO SALUTE AND APPLAUD THE BOY SCOUTS.
18:11:08 I WAS A BOY SCOUT IN MY YOUNGER YEARS AND A FANTASTIC
18:11:09 EXPERIENCE.
18:11:13 TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, CASE
18:11:19 REZ-20-66 FOR THE REDESIGN PROJECT AT 5301 W. TYSON
18:11:20 AVENUE.
18:11:23 I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING
18:11:25 COMMISSION.
18:11:26 >>JENNIFER MALONE: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
18:11:28 JENNIFER MALONE, AGAIN, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
18:11:31 I WILL BE BRIEF, BUT I WILL JUST PROVIDE SOME HIGH
18:11:32 POINTS ON THIS CASE.
18:11:35 IT IS LOCATED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
18:11:39 HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE ON W. TYSON
18:11:40 AVENUE.
18:11:42 AND HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE.
18:11:46 SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
18:11:49 THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFIC TO
18:11:52 ANYTHING LOCATED ON RATTLESNAKE POINT AND ANYTHING WITH
18:11:56 A COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
18:11:59 STAFF HAS TAKEN THESE POLICIES AND WE HAVE OUTLINED
18:12:02 THEM IN THE STAFF REPORT AND COMPARED WHAT THE
18:12:05 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ASKING FOR FROM DEVELOPMENTS AND
18:12:08 LOOKED AT THOSE POLICIES IN RELATION TO THE SITE PLAN
18:12:10 AND FOUND IT WAS CONSISTENT.
18:12:14 WE FOUND THAT THE APPLICANT WITH THE REDESIGN SITE IS
18:12:20 MEETING THE POLICY DIRECTION OF LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5.
18:12:23 THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO THIS POLICY, BUT WE
18:12:26 FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED PD, THE ORIENTATION OF THE
18:12:30 PARKING GARAGE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE POLICY
18:12:33 PROVIDING A BUFFER WITH THE RESIDENCES AND HEAVY
18:12:36 INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE TO THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE
18:12:37 SUBJECT SITE.
18:12:39 THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE
18:12:42 WATERFRONT THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
18:12:46 ON RATTLESNAKE POINT AND ADDRESSING THE COASTAL HIGH
18:12:50 HAZARD AREA FOR HURRICANE MITIGATION PAYMENTS WITH
18:12:52 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
18:12:57 AND, AGAIN, YOU WON'T BEHAVIOR THIS -- WON'T BELABOR
18:13:00 THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND IT CONSISTENT AND
18:13:03 THE FULL ANALYSIS AND THE FINDING IN THE STAFF REPORT.
18:13:06 THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR
18:13:06 QUESTIONS.
18:13:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING FOR MISS MALONE?
18:13:10 ALL RIGHT.
18:13:11 ZAIN?
18:13:12 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
18:13:16 ZAIN HUSSEIN, LANDS DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
18:13:18 PLEASE, I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN.
18:13:21 CASE REZ 20-66.
18:13:26 THE APPLICANT IS RYAN STUDZINSKI.
18:13:32 REPRESENTATIVE IS ANNE POLLACK AT 5301 W. TYSON AVENUE.
18:13:39 PROPOSED FROM IH, INDUSTRIAL HEAVY TO PD, MULTIFAMILY,
18:13:43 RETAILED SELLS, RETAIL SALES, SPECIALTY GOODS,
18:13:48 CONVENIENCE GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS AND MARINA.
18:13:53 RESUBMITTAL THE AMOUNT HAS TWO ALTERNATIVE PLANS A
18:13:57 WAIVER FOR EACH PLANS.
18:14:01 WAIVER NUMBER ONE, REDUCE THE REQUIRED 15-FOOT --
18:14:07 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON TO A 10-FOOT LANDSCAPE
18:14:11 BUFFER AND TEN-FOOT CMU OR PRECAST WALL ALONG THE SOUTH
18:14:15 PROPERTY LINE ALSO SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
18:14:20 LANDSCAPE BUFFER, SIX-FOOT CMU ALONG THE WEST AND EAST
18:14:21 PROPERTY LINES.
18:14:25 THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO MAKE THIS WAIVER
18:14:28 WORDED A CERTAIN WAY BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READ
18:14:29 GOING APPROVED.
18:14:33 ALTERNATIVE PLAN NUMBER TWO TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED
18:14:37 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE WEST SIDE TO A TEN-FOOT
18:14:40 LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
18:14:43 WILL INCLUDE A SIX-FOOT CMU AND PRECAST ALONG THE WEST
18:14:45 AND EAST PROPERTY LINES.
18:14:49 THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO BEEN REQUESTED TO REWORD THE
18:14:51 WAIVER JUST LIKE THIS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING
18:14:55 IF APPROVED.
18:14:57 I WILL NOW GO TO THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
18:15:02 YOU SEE THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
18:15:05 TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE TYSON.
18:15:08 TO THE NORTHWEST GANDY BOULEVARD.
18:15:13 TO THE WEST YOU HAVE SALT CHECK, THE RESTAURANT.
18:15:16 TO THE SOUTHWEST YOU HAVE A -- A REZONING THAT WAS
18:15:17 APPROVED.
18:15:21 AND THIS WAS APPROVED FOR 680 UNITS.
18:15:26 TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE A REZONING APPROVED FOR
18:15:33 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY FOR 325 UNITS.
18:15:36 NOW LET ME GIVE YOU FIRST A BRIEF SUMMARY AND A HISTORY
18:15:38 OF THIS APPLICATION.
18:15:42 ON JANUARY 21, 2021, CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE REZONING
18:15:47 APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5301 W. TYSON
18:15:51 AVENUE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
18:15:54 THE ACTION REQUESTED A REZONING FROM INDUSTRIAL HEAVY,
18:15:57 IH, TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PD.
18:16:00 SEEKING THE APPROVAL OF A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT
18:16:05 INCLUDED 299 DWELLING UNITS AT 35.7 UNITS PER ACRE AND
18:16:09 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPECIALTY GOODS, RETAIL SALES
18:16:15 WITHIN A FOUR-STORY 332,884-SQUARE-FOOT STRUCTURE AS 62
18:16:17 FEET IN HEIGHT.
18:16:24 ALSO, A FIVE-FOOT STORY OF 75 FEET IN HEIGHT ALONG WITH
18:16:25 SURFACE PARKING ON THE LOT.
18:16:29 THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE A 15-SLIP MARINA.
18:16:34 IN ACCORDANCE WITH 70.51, FLORIDA STATUTES.
18:16:38 A DEMAND FOR RELIEF WAS FILED WITHIN THE CITY -- WITH
18:16:39 THE CITY.
18:16:44 FOUR SEPARATE MEDIATION SESSIONS BETWEEN MAY 2021 AND
18:16:45 OCTOBER 2, 2021.
18:16:48 DURING WHICH AT CITY AND APPLICANT EXPLORED REVISED
18:16:51 TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
18:16:55 DURING THE FINAL MEDIATION ON OCTOBER 22, 2021, THE
18:16:57 APPLICANT PRESENTED THE CITY WITH TWO ALTERNATIVE
18:16:58 PLANNINGS.
18:17:04 THIS WAS BASED ON THE CHEMICAL FORMULATORS, INC. ALSO
18:17:07 KNOWN AS CFI, THAT I WILL REFER TO IN THIS
18:17:08 PRESENTATION.
18:17:13 THE LOCATION AT THE SITE 5215 WEST TYSON.
18:17:16 ALTERNATE ONE WILL STATE THAT THE CFI WOULD REMAIN.
18:17:20 AND ALTERNATIVE TWO PLAN WILL HAVE THE CFI RELOCATE
18:17:22 THEIR BUSINESS.
18:17:24 NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE PLANS AND WHAT
18:17:26 THEY HAVE IN COMMON.
18:17:29 EACH SITE PLAN SEEKS APPROVAL OF A MIXED USE PROJECT
18:17:33 CONSISTING OF RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL SALES,
18:17:37 SPECIALTY GOODS, CONVENIENCE GOODS AND SHOPPER'S GOODS
18:17:38 AND MARINA USES.
18:17:43 SPECIFICALLY 226 RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY UNITS OR --
18:17:48 AT 27 UNITS PER ACRE WITH POOL AND AMENITY SPACE,
18:17:55 5,000-SQUARE-FEET OF SPECIALTY GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS
18:17:59 AND 15-FOOT MARINA TO THE NORTH.
18:18:02 THE PROJECT PROPOSE TODAY CONSTRUCT A
18:18:07 310,000-SQUARE-FOOT FOUR-STORY STRUCTURE CONSISTING OF
18:18:10 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL SALES.
18:18:11 THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL INCORPORATE THE USE OF THE
18:18:15 EXISTING DOCK LOCATE TODAY NORTH AS PART OF THE MARINA.
18:18:20 WITH A RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX DESIGNED CENTRAL
18:18:23 TO THE SITE WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED AT THIS
18:18:23 TIME.
18:18:30 GREEN SPACE SURROUNDS RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY WITH
18:18:32 INTERNAL CONNECTIONS WITH OPEN AMENITY SPACE.
18:18:36 THE SITE LAYOUT INCORPORATES A FOUR-STORY GARAGE ALONG
18:18:39 THE SURFACE PARKING TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.
18:18:43 AND THE RETAIL SALES COMPONENT IS LOCATED TO THE
18:18:46 NORTHERN END OF THE SITE FRONTING THE WATER.
18:18:55 THE 8.37-ACRE PROPERTIES A EXISTING 67,667-SQUARE-FOOT
18:19:00 BUILDING WITH A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RATTLESNAKE POINT
18:19:03 LOCATED TO THE WEST SIDE OF W. TYSON AVENUE.
18:19:06 THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY THE BAY AND RATTLESNAKE
18:19:07 CHANNEL TO THE NORTH.
18:19:12 INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE WEST ZONED IG.
18:19:15 INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE SOUTH ZONED IH.
18:19:18 COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL GOVERNMENT USE TO THE EAST, ZONED
18:19:19 IH.
18:19:24 THE PROPOSED BUILDING SETBACKS ARE 35 FEET TO THE
18:19:24 NORTH.
18:19:26 35 FEET TO THE SOUTH.
18:19:28 36 FEET TO THE EAST.
18:19:31 AND 50 FEET TO THE WEST.
18:19:34 THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL BE 60
18:19:38 FEET FOR FOUR STORIES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
18:19:40 COMPLEX AND ALSO THE PARKING GARAGE.
18:19:44 BASED ON THESE PROPOSED NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS AND
18:19:48 RETAIL SALES, A TOTAL OF 431 PARKING SPACES ARE
18:19:51 REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRING 444 PARKING
18:19:52 SPACES.
18:19:56 THREE LOADING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THREE
18:19:58 LOADING SPACES ARE BEING MET.
18:20:01 IN ADDITION TO MAKING A MITIGATION PAYMENT TO THE
18:20:07 TRANSPORTATION DIVISION IN THE AMOUNT OF $99,581
18:20:10 FOR IMPROVEMENTS WANT INNER BAY DISTRICT AREA, THE
18:20:14 APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PAY -- HIS PROPORTIONATE FAIR
18:20:17 SHARE PAYMENT FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW
18:20:23 TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF WEST TYSON AND
18:20:26 ALSO SOUTHWEST SHORE BOULEVARD.
18:20:30 ALSO TO CONTRIBUTE $174,000 TO THE CITY TO BE UTILIZED
18:20:34 FOR THE DESIGN AND OR IMPROVEMENTS TO TYSON AVENUE.
18:20:37 NOW, I WILL SHOW YOU THE NEXT PAGE.
18:20:41 YOU WILL SEE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER 1.
18:20:46 THE DISTINCTION OF SITE PLAN NUMBER 1 SHOW THAT CFI
18:20:49 WILL REMAIN IN THE CURRENT LOCATION IN THE SOUTH.
18:20:54 THE PROPOSAL FOLLOWING DESIGN DETAILS AND CONDITIONS OF
18:20:57 APPROVAL IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT PRESENTED BY
18:21:02 CFI AS REQUIRED BY THE LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, WHICH
18:21:06 PROVIDES IN PART A PROPOSED PD REZONING WHICH ABUTS
18:21:10 EXISTING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS TO
18:21:13 THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, MUST DEMONSTRATE THROUGH
18:21:18 DESIGN AND ACCEPTED -- THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE NEW
18:21:23 USE SHALL BE -- SHOULD NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK OF SUCH
18:21:24 HAZARDS.
18:21:28 KEEP IN MIND THAT STAFF'S REPORT DOES NOT ADDRESS IF
18:21:31 THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN REQUIRES TO THE LAND USE POLICY
18:21:35 8.11.5, BUT DURING THE MEDIATION, THE CITY DID CONFIRM,
18:21:39 WHILE STAFF WAS WILLING TO PRESENT THE ALTERNATIVE SITE
18:21:42 PLANS FOR CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, THE APPLICANT
18:21:45 REMAINED RESPONSIBLE FOR ESTABLISHING COMPLIANCE WITH
18:21:47 POLICY 8.11.5.
18:21:51 AND TO BE COMPETENT OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
18:21:54 WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
18:21:58 AS PER THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER ONE, THE
18:22:02 APPLICANT MUST MEET THE GENERAL NOTES 16 24-7B 2.
18:22:04 NOW IS SAY LOT OF INFORMATION SO I WILL PARAPHRASE
18:22:06 PIECE BY PIECE.
18:22:11 NUMBER 16, THE DEVELOPER SHALL MAINTAIN EMERGENCY
18:22:13 RESPONSE, EVACUATION AND RE-ENTRY PLAN FOR HURRICANES
18:22:15 AND OTHER DISASTERS.
18:22:20 NUMBER 17, NOTE, DEVELOPER SHALL ENTER INTO A CONTRACT
18:22:23 WITH A PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM TO PROVIDE PRIVATE
18:22:27 EVACUATION SERVICES IN THE EVENT OF A HURRICANE,
18:22:31 SIMILAR THREATENING FLOODING OR WIND EVENTS.
18:22:34 NOTE NUMBER 18, THE DEVELOPER AND PROPERTY MANAGER
18:22:39 SHALL PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE AND NEW TENANTS OF
18:22:41 INFORMATION IDENTIFYING THE FACT THAT THE UNIT IS
18:22:44 WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:22:48 KNOW NOTE NUMBER 19, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST
18:22:51 CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TEMPORARY OR FINAL, DEVELOPER
18:22:54 SHALL INSTALL AND MAINTAIN AUTOMATIC WARNING SYSTEMS
18:22:56 ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIMETER.
18:23:01 NUMBER 20 IN THE NOTES, HVAC SYSTEMS SHALL BE DESIGNED
18:23:05 WITH NO FRESH AIR INTAKE SUBJECT TO CITY CODE.
18:23:09 21, THE PARKING GARAGE SHALL BE ENCLOSED ON THE SOUTH
18:23:12 ELEVATION OTHER THAN VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS
18:23:14 POINTS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
18:23:20 AND NUMBER 22 IN THE NOTES, THE TEN-FOOT WALL MAY BE
18:23:25 MODIFIED TO A SIX-FOOT WALL IF THE ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL
18:23:28 FACILITY CEASES OPERATION.
18:23:31 I WILL NOW GO TO ALTERNATIVE PLAN NUMBER 2 THAT THE
18:23:34 APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
18:23:44 THIS SHOWS CFI RELOCATING BUSINESS FROM 5215 W. TYSON
18:23:45 AVENUE.
18:23:47 NOT REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH COMPLIANCE WITH LAND USE
18:23:49 POLICY 8.11.5.
18:23:54 THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER 2 PROVIDES THAT THE
18:23:56 REMOVAL OF THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT TO AND THROUGH
18:23:59 THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND INSTEAD HAS ONE ACCESS
18:24:03 POINT ON W. TYSON AVENUE RIGHT DOW DOWN HERE TO THE
18:24:08 SOUTH AS YOU SEE OVER HERE WITH THE ARROW.
18:24:12 IN ADDITION THE GENERAL NOTES THAT ADDRESS THE DESIGN
18:24:16 SPECIFIC ISSUES WITH 8.11.5 ARE NOT VALID AND THEY ARE
18:24:20 ALSO REMOVED.
18:24:23 I HAVE THE TWO SITES HERE SIDE BY SIDE AS YOU CAN SEE.
18:24:26 YOU HAVE THAT MARINA UP HERE TO THE NORTH.
18:24:29 YOU WILL HAVE TO THE NORTHEAST, YOU WILL HAVE THAT
18:24:31 RETAIL.
18:24:35 TO THE SOUTHEAST, YOU WILL HAVE THAT FOUR-STORY GARAGE.
18:24:38 THROUGHOUT THE CENTER OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE THAT
18:24:42 RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE AND YOU WILL HAVE
18:24:45 THE ACCESS POINT.
18:24:49 NOW ALTERNATIVE PLAN 1, THREE LANES COMPARED TO
18:24:52 ALTERNATIVE PLAN 2 WITH TWO LANES.
18:24:54 ALTERNATIVE PLAN 2, YOU HAVE ONE ACCESS.
18:24:59 AND ALTERNATIVE PLAN 1, TWO ACCESS POINTS AS YOU SEE
18:25:03 THE BOLD ENTRANCE-EXIT HERE AND ENTRANCE-EXIT TO THE
18:25:07 SOUTH.
18:25:10 AS YOU SEE, I WENT TO THE SITE THE OTHER DAY, AND YOU
18:25:15 WILL SEE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE ON THE SITE AS IS.
18:25:18 AND TO THE NORTH, YOU WILL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE
18:25:21 SITE AS IS.
18:25:27 TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE INDUSTRIAL.
18:25:30 AND ALSO TO THE SITE THE ACCESS AREA AND MORE
18:25:33 INDUSTRIAL OVER HERE.
18:25:35 TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE A MILITARY
18:25:37 OPERATIONS AREA.
18:25:40 AND DOWN THE STREET TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL
18:25:45 HAVE SALT SHACK RESTAURANT ON THE WATER.
18:25:47 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE INDUSTRIAL.
18:25:49 THIS IS ON TYSON.
18:25:51 THERE THIS IS TYSON ROAD.
18:25:52 INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES.
18:25:57 AND DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE THE CFI
18:26:03 LOCATION THAT WE ARE SPEAKING OF ON 5215 WEST TYSON.
18:26:07 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE INDUSTRIAL.
18:26:11 AND ALSO THIS IS FROM TYSON ROAD LOOKING ABOVE.
18:26:14 5215 RIGHT HERE, GATED AREA.
18:26:22 ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU WILL HAVE THE SUBJECT PARCEL.
18:26:25 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED
18:26:28 AND FINDS COMPLIANCE WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH LAND
18:26:33 USE POLICY 8.11.5, THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE
18:26:36 APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
18:26:39 IF APPROVING THE APPLICATION, MODIFICATION OF THE SITE
18:26:41 PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BY THE APPLICANT BETWEEN FIRST
18:26:45 AND SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE AS STATED ON THE
18:26:46 REVISION SHEET.
18:26:46 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
18:26:48 I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, IF NEEDED.
18:26:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?
18:26:53 GENTLEMEN?
18:27:23 HEARING NONE, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
18:27:25 >> HEY, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
18:27:28 I AM GOING TO AGREE IT IS REALLY GREAT TO BE BACK IN
18:27:30 PERSON.
18:27:33 IF I MAY, I AM GOING TO -- GIVEN THE VARIETY AND
18:27:35 SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE ISSUES TONIGHT, I WOULD
18:27:39 RESPECTFULLY REQUEST SOME EXTRA TIME, IF I COULD HAVE
18:27:40 TEN MINUTES EXTRA.
18:27:46 I DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO NEED IT, BUT I WOULD -- I
18:27:47 WOULD REQUEST IT.
18:28:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, WHAT IS THE RULE ON THAT?
18:28:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS WOULD APPLY TO
18:28:09 QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS
18:28:14 ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THE -- OF THE HEARING TONIGHT,
18:28:16 ALTHOUGH YOUR DECISIONS ARE SEPARATE.
18:28:18 BUT LET ME READ WHAT THE RULE IS, REQUEST FOR
18:28:21 ADDITIONAL TIME MAY ONLY BE REQUESTED IF THE
18:28:24 PARTICIPANT ESTABLISHES TO THE SAT ORPHANING OF COUNCIL
18:28:27 THAT ADDITIONAL TIME IS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL
18:28:29 DUE PROCESS.
18:28:34 COUNCILMEMBERS MAY BY A MAJORITY VOTE GRANT OR DENY A
18:28:38 REQUEST OF THE ADDITIONAL TIME, IF ANY.
18:28:43 IN THE EVENT A APPLICANT IS GIVEN ADDITIONAL TIME, THE
18:28:45 PETITIONER WHO IS IN THIS CASE ASKING FOR THE
18:28:48 ADDITIONAL TIME MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL TIME FOR
18:28:51 PURPOSES OF REBUTTAL AS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL
18:28:53 DUE PROCESS.
18:28:55 COUNCIL, THERE IS A SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATION.
18:28:58 YOU HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN EXPERT
18:29:01 WITNESS THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING, WHICH IS PART
18:29:03 OF THE PRESENTATION.
18:29:08 SO IT IS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT IS AN
18:29:11 ISSUE OF PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS.
18:29:13 AND IT IS UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
18:29:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO AHEAD AND BE RECOGNIZED.
18:29:18 >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE WE GIVE THEM TEN MORE MINUTES.
18:29:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHAIRMAN, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO
18:29:23 ANYTHING -- I AM NOT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS SAID AT
18:29:26 THIS POINT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE OTHER SIDE --
18:29:28 WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE HERE ALSO IS GIVEN ADDITIONAL
18:29:33 SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
18:29:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.
18:29:37 CAN YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION IN REFERENCE TO TEN MINUTES
18:29:38 FOR BOTH SIDES?
18:29:40 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
18:29:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON SAY BOTH SIDES WILL HAVE
18:29:45 AN ADDITIONAL TEN MINUTES IF NECESSARY.
18:29:47 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED.
18:29:48 ALL IN FAVOR.
18:29:51 OPPOSED.
18:30:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TOTAL TIME, MADAM CLERK OF -- 25?
18:30:03 >>CLERK: 25 MINUTES.
18:30:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, ARE YOU GOOD NOW OR NEED
18:30:08 A BREAK?
18:30:09 YOU MAY PROCEED.
18:30:09 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
18:30:15 ANN POLLOCK, 433 CENTRAL AVENUE IN ST. PETE.
18:30:20 I REPRESENT WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS ON THIS PROJECT.
18:30:24 WE HAVE A BIG TEAM AND THEY ARE HERE IN PERSON.
18:30:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE BOY SCOUTS ARE GOING TO LEAVE
18:30:26 NOW.
18:30:28 MAYBE LET THEM OUT.
18:30:31 >> CAN YOU PAUSE MY TIME, MY PRECIOUS TIME.
18:30:33 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
18:30:35 >> THEY DON'T WANT TO STAY?
18:30:47 >> THIS IS WHERE IT GETS EXCITING.
18:30:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DID YOU TEACH AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL?
18:30:59 YEAH.
18:31:11 ALL RIGHT.
18:31:13 >> FOR OVER 20 YEARS THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL HAVE
18:31:16 DIRECTED THAT THIS AREA TRANSFORM FROM INDUSTRIAL TO
18:31:18 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
18:31:23 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS AMENDED TO CMU-35 FOR MOST
18:31:26 OF THE PENINSULA AND OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, THE
18:31:32 COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE REZONING OF SEVERAL PARCELS ON
18:31:35 THE PENINSULA TO SET IN FORTH THIS AND RECONNECT THE
18:31:36 PUBLIC BACK TO THE WATERFRONT.
18:31:39 WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT TRANSITION.
18:31:42 WHEN WE WERE HERE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, YOU RAISED
18:31:44 SEVERAL CONCERNS, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO THE
18:31:48 PROPOSED DENSITY AND THE PROJECT'S CAPACITY AND SAFETY
18:31:51 NEXT TO THE CHEMICAL FORMULATOR SITE.
18:31:54 WE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH YOUR STAFF OVER THE PAST YEAR
18:31:57 TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AND WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WHAT
18:31:58 WE HAVE DONE, HOW WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR
18:31:59 APPROVAL.
18:32:02 AND WHY YOU SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THIS
18:32:03 PROJECT.
18:32:07 THE RECONFIGURED PROJECT WAS EXPLICITLY DESIGNED TO
18:32:10 ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS AND A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS
18:32:12 CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY APPROVED NEARBY.
18:32:15 COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SURROUNDING USES
18:32:17 AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES
18:32:20 APPLICABLE TO IT.
18:32:23 INITIALLY DECREASED THE DENSITY BY 25%.
18:32:26 REDUCING FROM THE 299 UNITS TO 226.
18:32:29 IT PUTS US AT 27 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY
18:32:32 COMPATIBLE TO THE OTHER PROJECTS THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS
18:32:35 APPROVED RECENTLY NEARBY.
18:32:38 STAFF FELT THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND
18:32:41 CERTAINLY WELL BELOW WHAT IS ALLOWED WITH THE 30 UNITS
18:32:47 PER ACRE AND THE 1.0 F.A.R. LOCATED BY THE CMU-35.
18:32:50 INCREASED COMMERCIAL TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET TO PROVIDE
18:32:55 THE MIX OF USES, AND EXPANDED THE TYPE OF USES ALLOWED
18:32:58 UNDER THE RETAIL TO PROVIDE A GREATER -- A GREATER MIX.
18:33:01 THIS -- THIS COMMERCIAL USE IS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF
18:33:04 THE PROJECT, FRONTING THE FULLY ACCESSIBLE WATERFRONT,
18:33:08 PROVIDING THE MOST BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC AND RESIDENTS.
18:33:11 THE REDESIGNED PLANS SHIFTS THE BUILDINGS A BIT MOVING
18:33:15 THE GARAGE EAST AND RESIDENTIAL WEST AWAY FROM THE CFI
18:33:16 SITE TO THE SOUTH.
18:33:20 THE GARAGE IS FOUR STORIES AND SOUTH WALL IS ENCLOSED
18:33:23 TO PROVIDE GREATER PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTS AND WE
18:33:26 WILL GET INTO THE FULL SAFETY MEASURES IN A MOMENT.
18:33:28 THE PROJECT REMAINS SINGLE BUILDING WITH COURT YARDS
18:33:30 AND A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.
18:33:34 IN FACT, WE EXCEED THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT BY 17%.
18:33:40 THIS IS THE ENTRANCE AS YOU DRIVE UP THE LONG PORK CHOP
18:33:43 DRIVEWAY BUT THE FOCUS IS ON THE INTERPLAY WITH THE
18:33:45 WATERFRONT.
18:33:50 THE RATTLESNAKE POINT POLICY REQUIRES SPECIFIC ACCESS TO
18:33:54 THE WATERFRONT AND WE HAVE A WATERFRONT PROMENADE
18:33:54 CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
18:33:57 PUBLIC TRAIL WINDING ALONG THE WATERFRONT WITH
18:34:01 CROSS-ACCESS TO THE ADJACENT PARCELS WHICH HOPEFULLY
18:34:04 WILL BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO CONTINUE WITH
18:34:06 THE PATH AROUND RATTLESNAKE POINT.
18:34:12 CONNECTS TO THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS THAT CREATES AN
18:34:15 ADDITIONAL ONE-THIRD MILE LOOP WITHIN THIS PROPERTY.
18:34:18 A LOT OF OUTDOOR AMENITIES AND THE CURRENT RETAIL
18:34:22 RESTAURANT SPACE SUPPORTING THE WATERFRONT USERS AND
18:34:24 FEATURES TO FURTHER PROCEDURE TICKET THE PROPERTY FROM
18:34:26 STORM SURGE AND STORM DAMAGE.
18:34:33 WHAT MAKES THIS SITE SPECIAL IS THE 15-SLIP MARINA
18:34:35 DEVELOPED FROM THE OLD BOAT TOCK THERE FROM THE BOAT
18:34:36 MANUFACTURING PLANT.
18:34:40 YOU CAN ACCESS BY BOAT, BIKE AND CAR.
18:34:44 SURFACE PARKING ALONG THE WEST SIDE BUT THE PARKING
18:34:47 GARAGE IS FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
18:34:50 WE ARE ASKING A WAIVER TO THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BUT OUR
18:34:54 DESIGN HAS SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED FROM WHEN WE FIRST
18:34:54 CAME TO YOU.
18:35:00 THAT UNIQUE PORK CHOP SHAPE GIVES A LIMITED DRIVEWAY
18:35:00 SPACE.
18:35:04 TO MAKE ROOM FOR NECESSARY DRIVEWAY LANES WE ARE
18:35:07 REQUIRED TO HAVE BECAUSE ADJACENT TO CFI AND PROTECT
18:35:10 THE TREES AND THE SIDEWALK, WE ARE REQUESTING TO
18:35:15 DECREASE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER FROM TEN FEET -- FROM 15
18:35:17 FEET TO 10 FEET.
18:35:19 BECAUSE WE ARE ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL.
18:35:23 WE HAVE TRIED TO LIMIT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND
18:35:27 COMMITTED FOR THE FULL 15 FEET OF LANDSCAPING MATERIAL
18:35:28 IN THAT TEN-FEET SPACE.
18:35:32 AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OTHER SIDE THE SIDEWALK
18:35:34 ACTUALLY HAS MORE GREEN SPACE ON IT.
18:35:39 BUT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY COUNT THAT TOWARD THE BUFFER.
18:35:42 WE HAVE REALLY MADE THE INTENT OF THE -- MET THE INTENT
18:35:44 OF THE CODE, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T COUNT.
18:35:50 WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING A TEN-FOOT WALL ON THE SOUTH
18:35:55 SIDE TO MITIGATE FOR THE ADJACENT CFI USE AND WE HAVE
18:35:56 TO ASK FOR A WAIVER WITH THAT.
18:35:59 WE BELIEVE THAT THE WAIVERS ARE IN HARMONY OF THE
18:36:01 INTENT OF THE CODE AND SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE TO GIVE THE
18:36:03 PUBLIC BENEFIT.
18:36:05 THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF HAVE FOUND THE
18:36:09 PROJECT WITH THE REDUCED DENSITY CONSISTENCY WITH THE
18:36:13 COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVISIONS AND
18:36:15 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
18:36:19 WE HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED IN THE AREA AN INDEPENDENT
18:36:22 PLANNING REPORT WITH STEARNS WEAVER MILLER WHO IS HERE
18:36:24 TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
18:36:27 I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITHED
18:36:32 CMU-35, THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP
18:36:37 PLAN, MIXED USE CORRIDOR POLICY AND LAND DEVELOPMENT
18:36:40 CODE AND GIVEN THE LARGER ISSUES, I AM GOING TO GO JUST
18:36:43 BRIEFLY FROM SOME OF THE RATTLESNAKE POINT POLICIES
18:36:45 THAT ARE APPLICABLE.
18:36:49 8.11.6 IS THE TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION REQUIREMENT.
18:36:54 WE ARE IN A TCA TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION
18:36:58 AREA WHICH REQUIRES WE COMPLY WITH ALL CODE REQUIRED
18:37:00 TRANSPORTATION CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU HEARD
18:37:02 MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT WE HAVE DONE.
18:37:07 WE ARE COMMITTED TO PAYING OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE
18:37:10 MITIGATION PAYMENT AND COMMITTED TO PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC
18:37:15 SIGNAL AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE WHICH IS PAID TWO YEARS
18:37:16 FROM NOW.
18:37:17 TWO YEARS FROM DEVELOP.
18:37:18 AFTER YOU DO A STUDY.
18:37:21 BUT WE ARE COMMITTING TO PAY THAT UP FRONT AT BUILDING
18:37:22 PERMIT.
18:37:25 IN ADDITION, AS PART OF THIS SETTLEMENT, WE ARE
18:37:30 SPLITTING TO PAY $174,000 TOWARD IMPROVEMENTS TO TYSON.
18:37:35 RECOGNIZING THAT TYSON IS A -- IS A SUBSTANDARD ROAD
18:37:36 THAT NEED A LOT OF HELP.
18:37:38 WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
18:37:42 WE REALLY ARE PAYING -- FULLY MITIGATING OUR IMPACT
18:37:45 PLUS SOME AS MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED AS CODE.
18:37:49 OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER STEVE HENRY IS ON THE ONLINE TO
18:37:51 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT.
18:37:53 NO, PUT IT BACK.
18:37:56 8.11.7 IS THE OTHER ONE I WANT TO MENTION.
18:38:01 THAT AND THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT PROVIDE THAT
18:38:04 REZONINGS ARE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE THEIR AIM PACT ON
18:38:07 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BY MITIGATING IMPACT ON
18:38:09 SHELTER SPACE.
18:38:12 WE HAVE COMMITTED TO MAKE THE REQUIRED PAYMENT REQUIRED
18:38:14 BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE PLANNING
18:38:16 COMMISSION HAS CONFIRMED THIS MAKES US CONSISTENT WITH
18:38:17 THIS POLICY.
18:38:21 BUT WE HAVE ALSO COMMITTED AN INDEPENDENT REPORT INTO
18:38:25 THE RECORD BY RANDY COHEN WHO IS HERE TONIGHT VIRTUALLY
18:38:26 TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
18:38:29 AND HIS REPORT SHOW THAT'S EVACUATION TRAFFIC FROM THE
18:38:33 SITE WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE REGIONAL OR LOCAL IMPACT
18:38:39 ON THE PRIMARY EVACUATION ROUTES.
18:38:40 ING THE PROJECT.
18:38:41 DESPITE THOSE RESULTS, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO AN
18:38:45 EMERGENCY PLANNING RESPONSE AND RECOVERY PLAN TO MAKE
18:38:48 SURE ANY EVACUATION PROCESS IS SAFE, SMOOTH AND THE
18:38:52 LEAST IMPACTFUL ON THE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY
18:38:56 INCLUDING REQUIRING NOTICE TO TENANTS TO THE NATURE OF
18:38:57 WHERE THEY ARE LIVING.
18:39:00 AND PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT EVACUATION, EVACUATION
18:39:04 REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDING A EVACUATION TRANSPORTATION
18:39:10 SERVICE FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T EVACUATE ON THEIR OWN.
18:39:13 WE HAVE DISCUSSED 8.11.5.
18:39:16 WE DISCUSSED TRANSPORTATION AND SHELTER MITIGATION.
18:39:18 DEMONSTRATED PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT.
18:39:23 THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, OF COURSE, IS CFI, WHO IS OUR
18:39:23 NEIGHBOR.
18:39:26 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS INSTITUTE EVIDENCE-BASED,
18:39:30 EXPERT-APPROVED MITIGATION MEASURES IN CONCERT WITH A
18:39:34 FULL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE FACILITY IS OPERATED AND
18:39:39 REGULATED AND HOW CHLORINE WORKS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY
18:39:42 PRIMARILY DO AT THE FACILITY SO THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT
18:39:46 UNDULY AT RISK AND MEET THE STANDARDS OF THIS POLICY
18:39:50 AND THIS LAST PROVISION IT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT
18:39:50 RELEVANT.
18:39:54 SO AS STAFF AND CATE EXPLAINED, THE SETTLEMENT INVOLVES
18:39:55 TWO ALTERNATIVES.
18:40:01 ONE IF CFI STAYS WHICH WE HOPE AT THIS POINT WOULD BE
18:40:05 TEMPORARY EVEN IF THEY DID STAY AND ONE IF THEY GO.
18:40:08 THE LADDER OPTION IS A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY AND STILL
18:40:13 COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR HANDS AND CONFIDENTIAL MATTER
18:40:16 BETWEEN THIRD PARTIES.
18:40:20 WE WILL ASK FOR FLEXIBILITY AND ASKING FOR YOU TO
18:40:22 APPROVE BOTH PLANS AND IF IT DOES HAPPEN, WE WILL HAVE
18:40:25 THE OPTION OF PICKING BOTH PLANS AND MOVING FORWARD.
18:40:27 EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR APPLIES TO BOTH
18:40:29 ALTERNATIVE PLANS.
18:40:34 THE DENSITY REDUCTION, THE MIX OF USES, THE LAYOUT, THE
18:40:36 WATERFRONT PROMENADE.
18:40:40 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS ALTERNATIVE 1, EXPERT,
18:40:44 MITIGATION-BASED MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS
18:40:46 ARE NOT UNDULY UNSAFE.
18:40:50 THE MEASURES WE HAVE PROVIDED GO WELL BEYOND WHAT THE
18:40:54 COMP PLAN DESIRES AS EFFECTED PRACTICES.
18:40:57 AND I WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN.
18:41:01 WE SHIFTED THE GARAGE EAST AND MOVED THE RESIDENTS
18:41:04 CLOSE TO THAT CFI SITE, WE MOVED THEM WEST.
18:41:09 WE DELAWARE SIGNED A GARAGE WITH A SOUTHERN WALL.
18:41:13 WE HAVE A TEN-FOOT WALL ALONG THE SOUTH BOUNDARY.
18:41:17 THIRD LANE ON THE PRIMARY ACCESS DRIVEWAY SO CFI TRUCKS
18:41:21 AT THIS POINT USE THE DRIVEWAY TO ENTER THEIR PROPERTY,
18:41:25 THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ACCESS DRIVEWAY AND WON'T INTERFERE
18:41:30 WITH THE RESIDENTS USING THE DRIVEWAY THEMSELVES.
18:41:33 ADDED THAT SECONDARY DRIVEWAY SO THE RESIDENTS DON'T
18:41:34 HAVE TO USE THAT.
18:41:37 CHLORINE MONITORING SYSTEM SO ANY LEVEL OF CHLORINE THAT
18:41:41 ESCAPES FROM IT HAPPENS TO HAPPEN, AT WHICH WE
18:41:45 GET AN ALERT AND WE CAN HAVE OUR ALERT SYSTEM, OUR
18:41:48 COMMUNICATION SYSTEM ALERT THE RESIDENTS.
18:41:50 NO FRESH AIR HVAC PROVIDED BY CODE.
18:41:56 SHELTER-IN-PLACE WHICH IS AN APPROPRIATE MEASURE WITH
18:41:57 CHLORINE.
18:42:00 RESIDENTS GET AN EMERGENCY WARNING.
18:42:03 BE SAFE INSIDE AND THEY ARE SAFE INSIDE.
18:42:10 EMERGENCY RESPONSE REJECTED FOR HURRICANE AND CFI.
18:42:13 AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE EDUCATION AND THEY FEEL SAFE.
18:42:15 SO WE FEEL THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
18:42:18 WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS
18:42:21 FOUND US CONSISTENT WITH 8.11.5.
18:42:28 AND IN ADDITION, OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE WORKED WITH CFI
18:42:32 AND CFI WAS RECENTLY AN OPPONENT, BUT WE HAVE A LETTER
18:42:34 THAT THEY DO NOT OPPOSE THIS PLAN.
18:42:37 AND THEY HAVE DETERMINED THAT THEY WILL, YOU KNOW,
18:42:39 SUPPORT THIS PLAN TONIGHT.
18:42:43 SO -- AND I CAN SUBMIT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
18:42:46 SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
18:42:48 I AM NOT THE CHEMICAL EXPERT.
18:42:52 SO TONIGHT I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE TO YOU MR. NONY, WHO
18:42:53 IS ONLINE.
18:43:00 OUR PRINCIPAL TOXICOLOGIST RENOWNED INDUSTRIAL RESPONSE
18:43:03 HYGIENE COMPANY AND HE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT BACK
18:43:06 GROUND ON CHLORINE, CFI'S FACILITY, HOW IT IS REGULATED
18:43:13 AND THE INCREDIBLE ADVANCEMENT OF SAFETY OVER THE PAST
18:43:16 5 TO 15 YEARS AND WHY THE MITIGATION IS APPROPRIATE AND
18:43:18 SUFFICIENT FOR THIS SITE.
18:43:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO HAS A QUESTION.
18:43:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PUT UP THAT PRIOR -- THERE NOW.
18:43:27 JUST FOR MY QUESTIONING AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE
18:43:33 WONDERING, AS SOON AS IT COMES BACK UP.
18:43:39 THE BLUE LINES THAT ARE ON THAT, ARE THEY SIGNIFYING
18:43:42 THE RAIL LINES.
18:43:42 >> YES.
18:43:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WAIT UNTIL THEY COME UP.
18:43:49 THE ONE THAT IS GOING IN FRONT OF THE MAIN DRIVE.
18:43:50 >> YES.
18:43:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT ONE THERE.
18:43:55 AND GO MIDWAY UP WHERE YOU HAVE THE OTHER
18:43:56 ENTRANCE-EXIT.
18:43:57 THAT EXIT.
18:44:02 WHERE DOES THAT LEAD TO?
18:44:04 >> THAT ONE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
18:44:08 AS THAT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED,
18:44:13 THAT ONE WILL BE CONNECTED AND THAT DRIVEWAY WILL COME
18:44:15 OUT THROUGH HERE.
18:44:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WILL THAT DRIVEWAY STILL CROSS THE
18:44:19 RAILROAD TRACKS.
18:44:22 >> IT WILL, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT RAILROAD TRACK AS
18:44:28 -- AS WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE HAPPENING HERE, THIS LINE
18:44:36 IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DECOMMISSIONED SOONER RATHER
18:44:37 THAN LATER.
18:44:40 THE WOMAN TO YOUR LEFT WITH CSX?
18:44:46 >> NICOLE LYNN WITH THE APPLICANT, ARDURRA GROUP.
18:44:54 THE ADJACENT USE ACTUALLY HAS AN ENTRANCE ALREADY THAT
18:44:56 CONNECTS BACK DOWN TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACK.
18:44:59 THEREFORE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CROSS OVER THROUGH THAT
18:45:02 PROPERTY, THROUGH THAT CROSS-ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING TO
18:45:05 RECROSS THE -- THE PRIVATE LINE AT THAT POINT.
18:45:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO --
18:45:08 >> THE PRIVATE RAIL LINE.
18:45:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THIS ALL PROPOSED OR DEFINITE?
18:45:12 >> THIS IS EXISTING.
18:45:16 THERE IS ALREADY SPACE TO THE WEST OF WHERE THAT
18:45:21 PRIVATE RAIL LINE ENDS THAT YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH NOW.
18:45:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, WITH THAT
18:45:26 PROPERTY NOT BEING DEVELOPED TO THE WEST, EVENTUALLY
18:45:28 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO --
18:45:32 >> THERE IS AN EXISTING GATE THERE, SIR, ALREADY.
18:45:34 SO YOU CAN ALREADY ACCESS IT.
18:45:38 NOT AS IMPROVED AS IT WOULD BE WITH REDEVELOPMENT.
18:45:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS POINT, IT IS NOT IMPROVED --
18:45:46 SO WHICH MEANS IF YOU DRIVE A FORD F-150 OR SUV OR
18:45:50 FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, YOU CAN GET ACROSS THE UNIMPROVED
18:45:51 SECTION TO GET AROUND.
18:45:57 >> YOU CAN GET ACROSS IT IN.
18:46:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
18:46:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE QUESTION.
18:46:04 WHEN TALK OF THE DEAL, TWO ALTERNATIVES.
18:46:09 >> YES.
18:46:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS WELLS, WOULD THAT BE IN WRITING IF THE ONE
18:46:15 PARTY DOES NOT VACATE THE OTHER SIDE THAT THE DEAL WILL
18:46:21 STAND TERM AND THAT WAY THEY DON'T RENEGE.
18:46:26 HOW DOES THAT WORK?
18:46:33 >>CATE WELLS: SO WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSES THAT IF CFI SELLS
18:46:38 THE PROPERTY, THEN ESSENTIALLY THE PROPOSAL FOR THEIR
18:46:45 SALE IS THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THEM
18:46:46 SELLING THE PROPERTY.
18:46:52 AND THE SITE PLAN COMMITS THAT WE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED
18:46:56 TO HAVE RESIDENTS MOVE IN WITHIN THAT TWO-YEAR PERIOD.
18:47:00 THAT WILL BE -- ESSENTIALLY THE ENFORCEMENT THAT WILL
18:47:05 ALLOW, RESTRICT, THE -- PROVIDE FOR THE SAFETY MEASURE
18:47:07 THAT WILL ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD NOT BE MOVING
18:47:12 IN WHEN THE CFI FACILITY WAS STILL OPERATING.
18:47:16 IT PROVIDES FOR THE END OF THE OPERATION OF THE CFI
18:47:19 FACILITY.
18:47:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, YOU MAY PROCEED.
18:47:24 >> THAT WAS SORT OF THE WAY TO GET AROUND -- TO ENSURE
18:47:29 THAT THERE WASN'T -- CFI WASN'T OPERATING.
18:47:32 AND IN ORDER TO AVOID HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE
18:47:34 MITIGATION.
18:47:37 AND THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS THAT THAT IS EITHER IN THE
18:47:39 WORKS OR GOING TO HAPPEN SOON.
18:47:45 BUT CERTAINLY NOTHING -- NOTHING WOULD START UNTIL THE
18:47:47 PROPERTY HAD ACTUALLY BEEN SOLD.
18:47:52 AND SO, THE IDEA IS, IF -- IF WOODFIELD STARTS
18:48:00 IMMEDIATELY, THEN, YOU KNOW, -- AND THEY HAVEN'T SOLD,
18:48:03 NOTHING WOULD REALLY BE TRIGGERED AND MOVE FORWARD
18:48:05 UNDER THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE.
18:48:09 BUT WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT THINGS MOVE ALONG QUICKLY.
18:48:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY PROCEED.
18:48:14 >> IS MR. NONY.
18:48:16 IS HE ON LINE?
18:48:18 >> YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
18:48:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU.
18:48:21 WERE YOU SWORN IN --
18:48:25 >> MY CAMERA WAS OFF, AND I DIDN'T KNOW MY TIME.
18:48:28 >>CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
18:48:29 [SWEARING IN]
18:48:30 >> I DO.
18:48:32 >>CLERK: THANK YOU.
18:48:35 >> GOOD EVENING TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND STAFF AND THE
18:48:41 PUBLIC THAT ARE ATTENDING THIS MEETING.
18:48:42 I AM PAUL NONY.
18:48:46 I AM A TOXICOLOGIST.
18:48:51 A PH.D. IN TOXICOLOGY AND CERTIFIED SAFETY.
18:48:57 I HAVE EXPERIENCE CHEMICAL RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TO
18:49:02 CHLORINE RELEASES OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRAIN
18:49:09 DERAILMENT AND THE DEBARTLO CLEAN.
18:49:13 AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHLORINE AND SAFETY.
18:49:17 CHLORINE WHEN IT RELEASES A HEAVY DENSE GAS.
18:49:21 WHEN THAT COMPRESSED LIQUID COMES OUT SOMETHING LIKE A
18:49:24 CAR, IT STAYS LOW TO THE GROUND UNTIL IT WARMS UP AND
18:49:28 ACCEPTABLE OF BARRIERS LIKE WALLS THAT CAN PREVENT ITS
18:49:31 MITIGATION FOR MIGRATION ALONG THE GROUND.
18:49:35 SMALLER RELEASES LIKE A VALVE ON A TANK CAR AND
18:49:38 FACILITY START AS A GAS AND DO NOT TRAVEL VERY FAR
18:49:40 BEFORE THEY DISSIPATE.
18:49:47 CHLORINE GAS DISSIPATES FASTER IN WARMER WEATHER SUCH
18:49:50 AS TAMPA AND TRAVEL WITH THE PREVAILING WIND.
18:49:54 BASED ON DATA, THE PROPOSED WOODFIELD WILL ONLY BE DOWN
18:49:59 WIND OF THE CFI FACILITY.
18:50:04 SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW CHLORINE IS TRANSFERRED AND
18:50:05 STORED.
18:50:10 CHLORINE IS TRANSPORTED IN 90-TON RAILCARS.
18:50:12 LIKE CSX RAILS.
18:50:15 BUT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND U.S. AND EVERY MAJOR
18:50:16 CITIES.
18:50:20 IT IS TRANSPORTED IN LOWER CONTAINERS.
18:50:25 TODAY CHLORINE TANK CARS ARE THE MOST ROBUST TANK CAR.
18:50:29 JANUARY 2009, D.O.T. REQUIRED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
18:50:32 NEXT-GENERATION TANK CAR THAT HAD FULL SUPPORT OF THE
18:50:34 CHEMICAL INDUSTRY.
18:50:38 THE NEW TANK CAR HAS SIDE IMPACT PUNCTURE RESISTANCE.
18:50:43 ARMOR OF A HALF-INCH-THICK STEEL, STRENGTH IN VALVES,
18:50:45 TOP FITTINGS AND NOZZLES.
18:50:48 CONSISTENT OF AN OUTER STEEL JACKET.
18:50:52 INTERNAL INSULATION LAYER OF MATERIALS LIKE CERAMIC
18:50:58 FIBERS AND FIBERGLASS AND A INTERNAL ONE-INCH-THICK
18:51:00 TANK THAT DELIVERS THE CHLORINE.
18:51:04 THEY ARE MADE TO WITHSTAND UNBELIEVABLE HEAVY FORCE
18:51:09 LIKE A HIGH-SPEED TRAIN DERAILMENT OR WHAT MAY OCCUR
18:51:15 WITH ATTEMPTED SABOTAGE OR TERRORISM.
18:51:19 HISTORICALLY RELEASE HAVE ONLY HANDS BECAUSE OF MAJOR
18:51:21 TRAIN HE DERAILMENTS.
18:51:28 STORAGE OF A CHLORINE TANK CAR OR SLOW SPEED MONTHS OF
18:51:33 COLOR TANKERS ON RAIL LINE OF CFI PRESENT PRACTICALLY
18:51:37 ZERO RISK OF A LARGE-SCALE RELEASE BECAUSE OF THE ARMOR
18:51:39 ON THESE TANK CARS.
18:51:42 IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN HOW STRONG THE CARS ARE.
18:51:46 THE SAFEST PLANK PLACE FOR A CHLORINE RAIL TANK CAR FOR
18:51:50 AN ACCIDENTAL RELEASE IS IN A SECURED LOCATION,
18:51:55 STATIONARY WITH THE BOWS PROPERLY SECURED LIKE THEY ARE
18:51:56 AT CFI.
18:52:01 SMALLER NONDERAILMENT RELEASES -- A RELEASE OF GAS THAT
18:52:05 OCCURS NOT BECAUSE THE TRAIN HAS COLLIDED, FROM A RAIL
18:52:08 TANK CAR DOWN 50% SINCE 2010.
18:52:12 IN 2019, ONLY FOUR SMALL RELEASES IN TRANSPORTATION
18:52:17 INVOLVING CHLORINE IN THE U.S. AND CANADA.
18:52:19 OUT 52,000 SHIPMENTS.
18:52:23 RELEASE IN MITIGATION TECHNOLOGY OF SMALL RELEASES OF
18:52:27 CHLORINES ADVANCED SO THAT THESE RELEASES ARE KEPT
18:52:30 SMALL AND LOWER IMPACT IF THEY EVEN OCCUR AT ALL.
18:52:34 WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY SINCE EVEN THE '90S AND EARLY
18:52:35 2000S.
18:52:38 MOST SMALL CHLORINE RELEASES OCCUR BECAUSE OF
18:52:41 IMPROPERLY CLOSED OR SECURED VALVES AT THE SHIPPER
18:52:46 OPINION THESE ISSUES ARE UNLIKELY TO ARISE AFTER THE
18:52:48 TANK CAR HAS TRAVELED MANY, MANY MILES AND IN STORAGE
18:52:51 AT A FACILITY LIKE CFI.
18:52:56 BY WANT TO TALK LITTLE BIT ABOUT CFI'S CHLORINE SAFETY
18:52:58 MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
18:53:01 THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED NUMEROUS PREVENTIVE AND MITIGATED
18:53:06 CONTROLS TO ELIMINATE AND MITIGATE CHLORINE RELEASE
18:53:07 DURING OPERATION.
18:53:09 FOR EXAMPLE, THE BLEACH PRODUCTION BUILDING IS ENCLOSED
18:53:13 AND EQUIPPED WITH A CHLORINE GAS SCRUBBER AND A
18:53:18 CHLORINE GAS DETECTION SYSTEM THAT TRIGGER AN AUTO SHUT
18:53:19 DOWN SYSTEM.
18:53:23 THE RAILCAR UNLOADING AREA IS EQUIPPED WITH A DELUGE
18:53:27 SYSTEM THAT WOULD RELEASE CHEMICAL THAT WILL CAPTURE
18:53:32 ANY CHLORINE THAT WAS RELEASED IF VAPORS WERE DETECTED
18:53:36 DURING THE CHLORINE TRANSFER PROCESS DURING THE RAIL
18:53:38 TRANSFER FACILITY.
18:53:43 EXCESS FLOW VALVES ARE ENGAGED DURING THE CHLORINE
18:53:44 PROCESS THAT WILL CLOSE.
18:53:47 IF THERE IS A BREAK IN THE SYSTEM AND PREVENT
18:53:52 SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF CHLORINE TO BE RELEASED AND CSI
18:53:55 PERIMETER WILL HAVE A CHLORINE DEFENSE SYSTEM THAT WILL
18:53:58 ALARM IF A BEAK LEAK.
18:54:01 MITIGATED PATROLS IN THEIR EMERGENCY RESPONSE
18:54:04 PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN EVALUATED AND APPROVED BY
18:54:05 REPRESENTATIVES OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
18:54:08 WE HAVE MEMOS FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY EPC
18:54:13 INDICATING THAT CFI HAS INSTALLED PROPER PREVENTIVE
18:54:16 SYSTEMS TO MINIMIZE CHLORINE RELEASES FROM THEIR
18:54:17 OPERATIONS.
18:54:19 SO, AGAIN, I WANT TO GO INTO SOME OF THE MITIGATION
18:54:24 PROCEDURES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED FOR A THE AT 1.
18:54:28 WOODFIELD'S UPDATED PLANS HAVE DESIGN FACTORS THAT
18:54:32 PROVIDE GREAT PROCEDURE TEXAS FOR VISITORS RELEASE
18:54:36 CHLORINE FROM CFI TO MY GREAT ON TO THE PROPERTY.
18:54:39 SHIFTING RESIDENTS AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY GIVE
18:54:40 US MORE DISTANCE.
18:54:42 DISTANCE IS IMPORTANT.
18:54:48 A TEN-FOOT-WALL PROPOSED ALONG THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE
18:54:49 DEVELOPMENT.
18:54:52 AS I MENTIONED BEFORE A LARGE SCALE RELEASE -- WHICH IS
18:54:59 HIGHLY UNLIKELY, BUT CHLORINES MIGRATE ALONG THE
18:54:59 GROUND.
18:55:05 TEN-FOOT WALL WILL AT LEAST PRESENTS A BARRIER TO
18:55:08 PREVENT THE MITIGATION OF THOSE CONCENTRATIONS OF
18:55:10 CHLORINE FROM MOVING THAT WAY.
18:55:14 AND THAT IS ONLY IF THE PREVAILING WINDS ARE FROM THE
18:55:15 SOUTH.
18:55:18 AS I MENTIONED, THE PREVAILING WINDS ARE NOT LIKELY TO
18:55:22 BE FROM THE SOUTH, ONLY 18% OF THE TIME BUT THIS WALL
18:55:23 WOULD HELP WITH THAT.
18:55:27 REDESIGNING THE PARKING GARAGE WITH THE CLOSED SOUTHERN
18:55:29 WALLS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL BARRIER FOR ANYTHING THAT
18:55:34 MAY COME ACROSS A TEN-FOOT WALL.
18:55:37 ADDITIONAL INGRESS, EGRESS.
18:55:41 IF PEOPLE WERE THERE AND THEY GO TO THEIR CARS.
18:55:45 THERE WILL BE EXCESS EGRESS ROUTES TO GET OUT OF THE
18:55:47 FACILITY OR GET OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
18:55:51 THE PROPOSAL TO INSTALL A FENCE LINE MONITORING SYSTEM
18:55:53 ALONG WITH A PUBLIC SHELTER IN PLACE WARNING SYSTEM IS
18:55:54 REALLY KEY.
18:55:59 WE KNOW CFI HAS A FENCE LINE SYSTEM BEING ABLE FOR THIS
18:56:01 DEVELOPMENT OF CHLORINE AND HAVE A NOTIFICATION IN
18:56:05 PLACE TO GET PEOPLE TO SHELTER IN PLACE INSIDE THEIR
18:56:10 BUILDINGS THAT INCIDENTALLY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY INTAKES
18:56:13 THAT WOULD BRING CHLORINE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
18:56:15 IT WOULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE OF PROVIDING PEOPLE A PLACE
18:56:19 TO GO AND TO BE ABLE TO WAIT OUT THE INCIDENT AS THE
18:56:21 CHLORINE DISSIPATES.
18:56:25 FINALLY THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN THAT
18:56:27 IS EXERCISED BY THE DEVELOPMENT'S MANAGEMENT AND
18:56:30 RESIDENTS WITH ITS NEIGHBORS THE CITY OF TAMPA IS KEY.
18:56:33 AND THAT IS IN THE PLANS AS WELL.
18:56:41 JUST SUMMARIZE, WITH EFFECT OF THESE FACTORS WHAT CFI
18:56:44 HAS DONE TO MAKE IT SAFER AND PROPOSED MITIGATION, VERY
18:56:47 SMALL RISK OF A SIGNIFICANT CHLORINE RELEASE FROM THE
18:56:50 FACILITY RESULTING IN INJURY TO RESIDENTS AND OR
18:56:52 VISITORS TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
18:56:55 MY OPINION, BASE ON THE REGULATION OF CHLORINE USE
18:56:59 TODAY AND HANDLING AN CFI'S ABILITY TO STOP CHLORINE
18:57:03 RELEASES BEFORE OFF-SIDE IMPACT, THE APARTMENT USE WITH
18:57:07 THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE
18:57:08 UNDULY AT RISK.
18:57:12 THAT IS ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU.
18:57:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
18:57:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT
18:57:20 OF TECHNOLOGY AND INFORMATION -- HE IS AN EXPERT AND
18:57:22 RIGHTLY SO --
18:57:25 >> CAN WE STOP OUR TIME WHILE WE HAVE QUESTIONS, THANK
18:57:25 YOU.
18:57:26 SORRY.
18:57:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOMETHING HAPPENS "VERY RARELY."
18:57:34 WHAT DOES RARELY MEAN, THAT MEANS IT HAS HAPPENED
18:57:34 BEFORE.
18:57:38 IF IT HAPPENED RARELY, IT MEANS IT HAPPENED BEFORE, AM
18:57:39 I CORRECT?
18:57:40 >> YOU ARE CORRECT.
18:57:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PLAN YOUR BUILDINGS -- THEY ARE
18:57:46 BUILT TO WITHSTAND A LOT AND SOME OF THEM HAVE GONE
18:57:48 DOWN, IS THAT CORRECT?
18:57:49 >> IN THE PAST THEY HAVE, YES.
18:57:50 LESSER --
18:57:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGES -- WE ARE
18:57:54 MAKING ASSUMPTIONS HERE IN MY PART.
18:57:58 I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOU, SIR, AT ALL, BUT THE WHALE
18:58:00 ATMOSPHERE OF CONVERSATION UP UNTIL NOW THAT THIS
18:58:02 RAILROAD WON'T BE HERE.
18:58:02 THIS IS COMING DOWN.
18:58:04 THIS IS GOING TO MOVE.
18:58:05 THIS IS GOING TO LEAVE.
18:58:09 I AM A FACTUAL TYPE GUY, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
18:58:12 ALL THAT MEANS THAT WE TALK ABOUT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
18:58:13 AISLE.
18:58:16 FOR MY CLARITY, I LIKE TO KNOW THE PERCENTAGES OF THESE
18:58:18 THINGS THAT ARE HANG.
18:58:21 IF A RAILROAD IS GOING TO GO ACROSS A VACANT LAND THAT
18:58:24 IS THERE NOW -- I ASSUME THAT IS WHAT I HEARD OF
18:58:27 EARLIER AND I BELIEVE CONVERSATION ABOUT -- DON'T WORRY
18:58:29 THIS WILL HAPPEN AND THIS WILL HAPPEN.
18:58:32 BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN TO THE WHOLE
18:58:32 SCHEME.
18:58:35 THERE IS A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT I AM NOT POSITIVE
18:58:36 ON.
18:58:39 AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CLARITY WHAT WAS SAID IN THE
18:58:45 LAST 40 MINUTES.
18:58:48 >> SIR, I ASSUME THAT IS TO ME.
18:58:51 I WOULD SAY WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS ABOUT RISK.
18:58:55 AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT GOES WITH ZERO RISK.
18:58:57 JUST NEED TO GET THAT OUT CLEARLY.
18:58:59 WE ALL TAKE RISKS EVERY DAY.
18:59:02 I THINK WHAT I STRIDES TO DO WITH MY ANALYSIS HERE IS
18:59:06 TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE RISKS.
18:59:09 AND YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK IN TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN
18:59:13 ACCIDENTAL RELEASES OF CHLORINE FROM TANK CARS THAT ARE
18:59:18 SITTING STILL BECAUSE THE VALVES HAD A MALFUNCTION AND
18:59:22 SOMEBODY TOOK A HOSE OFF TOO EARLY WHEN THEY CLOSE THE
18:59:24 VALVE.
18:59:28 THERE IS ALWAYS HUMAN ERROR AT RISK.
18:59:31 BUT WE HAVE TO STOP THAT RISK FROM BECOMING A HEALTH
18:59:34 IMPACT.
18:59:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXCUSE ME.
18:59:38 THEN WHAT I AM UNDERSTANDING.
18:59:42 VERY RARELY MEANS ONLY BY HUMAN MISTAKE OR HUMAN ERROR
18:59:44 THAT THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO THE TANK.
18:59:47 THE TANK HAS NEVER EVER BEEN MANUFACTURED
18:59:51 MALFUNCTIONING TO EXPLODE -- NOTHING HAS HAPPENED BY
18:59:51 TANK.
18:59:54 IT IS ALWAYS BY HUMAN ERROR?
18:59:56 >> YOU CAN CALL THE MANUFACTURER PROBLEMS HUMAN ERROR
18:59:57 TOO.
19:00:00 I WOULD SAY THERE CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN DESIGN FAULTS
19:00:06 THAT DIDN'T -- SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT AND NEXT GEN
19:00:07 WEREN'T CAUGHT.
19:00:10 AND THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE WHERE THEY FILL THE LARGE
19:00:12 TANKERS UP AT THE SHIPPERS.
19:00:17 THAT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT FOUR
19:00:20 NONACCIDENTAL RELEASES OF CHLORINE OUT OF 52,000
19:00:24 SHIPMENTS IN 2019 IN THE U.S. AND CANADA, THAT WILL BE
19:00:27 THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO HERE.
19:00:32 BUT MITIGATION MECHANISMS IN PLACE FOR ONE OUT OF
19:00:38 452,000 OF CFI, SIGNIFICANT MITIGATION EFFORTS IN PLACE
19:00:42 ON-SITE AS WELL AS OFF-SITE IF IT WASN'T SIGNIFICANCE
19:00:46 -- IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH RELEASE TO HAVE IMPACT
19:00:48 ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
19:00:54 THE MITIGATION MEASURES WILL GREATLY REDUCE IMPACTS.
19:00:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
19:00:56 I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.
19:00:59 I GUESS A PERCENTAGE WOULD BE OF ALL THE FACILITIES
19:01:02 LIKE THIS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A -- THEN YOU
19:01:05 CAN JUST SAY THAT THE SYSTEM -- NOT JUST ONE SITE, BUT
19:01:09 THE SYSTEM HAS THIS PERCENT OF WHATEVER IS OUT THERE.
19:01:13 BUT WHEN WE GO TO ONE SITE, IT CAN'T JUST BE BASED ON
19:01:13 ONE SITE.
19:01:17 IT HAS TO BE ON THE BASIS OF ALL THE SYSTEMS COMBINED
19:01:21 WITH THE RATIO OF ACCIDENTS OR HUMAN ERROR.
19:01:22 I AM NOT ARGUING.
19:01:24 I AM JUST SAYING MY POINT.
19:01:27 THANK YOU.
19:01:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, IN OUR PACKET OF INFORMATION
19:01:35 THAT WE GET, I AM LOOKING AT A REPORT FROM APEX --
19:01:39 A-P-E-X.
19:01:42 DO YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE?
19:01:44 >> YES, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THEM.
19:01:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SMITH THAT PACKET THAT WAS PUT
19:01:54 TOGETHER AS A HAZARD ASSESSMENT FOR PROPOSED
19:01:58 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATION TO A BLEACH PLANT.
19:02:00 A CHLORINE PLANT IS A BLEACH PLANT.
19:02:04 >> IN THIS CASE CFI IS, THAT'S CORRECT.
19:02:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE CEO OF GULFSTEAM, LOTS 2251 WEST
19:02:11 TYSON.
19:02:14 I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGHOUT LONG LIST OF THING
19:02:19 BUT LONG-TERM EXPOSURE TO LOW CONCENTRATIONS IS
19:02:19 PROBLEMATIC.
19:02:22 THIS CAME FROM A 2011 STUDY.
19:02:27 AND SOME OF THE THINGS ARE PRETERM BIRTH, SEVERE
19:02:32 RESPIRATORY, PULMONARY FIBROSIS, ACUTE RESPIRATORY
19:02:35 DISEASE SYNDROME AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN
19:02:36 THIS REPORT.
19:02:41 BUT I AM GOING BACK DOWN TO -- WHAT MY MAIN CONCERN
19:02:46 WAS, THE TRANSPORTATION OF THIS CHLORINE, CHLORINE GAS,
19:02:51 WHATEVER IS MANUFACTURED OR THE -- SAYS TRANSPORTING
19:02:58 CHLORINE ALSO POSES MORE RISK THAN ANY OTHER REGULATED
19:03:00 SUBSTANCE.
19:03:06 NOW THIS REPORT CAME FROM 2005-2009; HOWEVER, CHLORINE
19:03:12 LED THE LIST WITH 83 MAJOR INJURIES AND NINE FATALITIES
19:03:16 OUT OF 48 RAIL AND ROAD ACCIDENTS COMPARED TO GASOLINE
19:03:19 TRANSPORTATION.
19:03:26 AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS BEEN WITH THE RAIL, THE
19:03:31 SHIPMENTS OF THE CHLORINE, THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF A
19:03:32 RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
19:03:34 BUT MORE ESPECIALLY, IF THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT -- AND I
19:03:37 KNOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE MITIGATION PROPOSED IN CASE
19:03:42 SOMETHING HAPPENS, BUT IF THOSE ENTRANCE AND EXITS ARE
19:03:47 BLOCKED BY THESE RAILCARS FOR WHATEVER REASON.
19:03:54 AGAIN, AS MR. MIRANDA RELAYING THIS -- AND I AM NOT
19:03:57 DISPUTING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT THIS DOCUMENTATION
19:04:02 IN FRONT OF ME IS SAYING SLIGHT VARIATIONS.
19:04:03 SO I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
19:04:07 THANK YOU, SIR.
19:04:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.
19:04:13 I NEED WHOEVER IS -- WHO WHOEVER IS TALKING OR DOING --
19:04:15 THEY NEED TO MUTE THEIR MICS.
19:04:18 WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN CONVERSATION.
19:04:20 MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
19:04:23 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, SIR.
19:04:27 THE -- THE ENTRANCE TO THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE MAP,
19:04:30 HAS THE RAIL GOING ACROSS THE ROAD.
19:04:35 AND YOU TALKED ABOUT -- IN DETAIL THE ARMOR THAT IS
19:04:38 AROUND THESE NEW CARS.
19:04:43 IF -- IF SOMEONE WAS IN A PICKUP TRUCK DRIVING AT HIGH
19:04:47 SPEED, DRUNK OR WHATEVER AND HIT ONE OF THESE, HOW --
19:04:50 HOW PROTECTED ARE THEY?
19:04:55 COULD A CAR HIT -- COULD A CAR HITTING IT AT 30 MILES
19:04:58 PER HOUR CAUSE IT TO RUPTURE OR WILL IT TAKE 100 MILES
19:04:58 PER HOUR.
19:05:00 ANY IDEA?
19:05:04 >> MAY I JUST MAKE A QUICK REMARK THAT THE RAIL LINE --
19:05:06 WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LINES, THE SPUR LINE ON THE
19:05:10 EAST SIDE TO CFI, THOSE ARE WHERE THE RAIL LINES WITH
19:05:15 THE -- WITH THE CHLORINE ARE -- THIS IS THE CHLORINE.
19:05:16 THIS IS CORN SYRUP.
19:05:21 THIS IS GOING UP TO THE CORN SYRUP FACTORY.
19:05:23 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT TO GET ON --
19:05:27 >> UP HERE THE CFI LINE -- THE RAIL LINE --
19:05:31 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY TO GET ON THE PENINSULA.
19:05:33 A MAP OF THE WHOLE PENINSULA?
19:05:37 >> I THINK WE HAVE ONE IN THE BEGINNING.
19:05:40 >> SO, I AM SORRY, I WILL LET YOU EXPLAIN, BUT I WANT TO
19:05:45 CLARIFY THAT THE LINE CROSSING THIS PARTICULAR DRIVEWAY
19:05:48 DOES NOT HAVE THE CHLORINE BUT MR. NONY CAN EXPLAIN.
19:05:51 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHERE --
19:05:54 >> THE RAIL LINE COME IN HERE AND CONNECTS THIS WAY
19:05:56 INTO THE CFI SITE.
19:06:00 IT CONTINUES THIS WAY.
19:06:02 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST THE PEOPLE GETTING TO YOUR
19:06:05 FACILITY, WILL THEY CROSS THE RAIL LINE AT ALL AND
19:06:06 WHERE?
19:06:08 >> THEY WILL NOT CROSS THE RAIL LINE -- THEY
19:06:10 POTENTIALLY WOULD.
19:06:13 THE RAIL LINE COMES ALL THE WAY FROM DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
19:06:15 IT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH --
19:06:16 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ON THIS PENINSULA.
19:06:20 >> ON THIS PENINSULA, IT RUNNING DOWN TYSON.
19:06:22 >>BILL CARLSON: THEY WOULD BE PARALLEL BUT NEVER CROSS
19:06:24 IT.
19:06:25 >> RIGHT.
19:06:27 AND THEN THEY WOULD -- YOU THEY WOULDN'T CROSS IT FOR
19:06:29 THE DRIVEWAY.
19:06:30 AND NICOLE --
19:06:31 >> FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
19:06:35 BUT THE RAIL ACTUALLY CROSSES TYSON CLOSER TO WEST
19:06:37 SHORE BOULEVARD.
19:06:40 AT THE SIGNAL IT CROSSES OVER.
19:06:43 SO ANYONE CROSSING INTO RATTLESNAKE.
19:06:46 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT WHERE IT GOES PARALLEL, IS
19:06:50 IT POSSIBLE THAT A TRUCK CAN VEER OVER -- SOMEONE
19:06:51 DRUNKEN HITS OVER.
19:06:52 >> SURE, YES.
19:06:54 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC COULD DO THAT.
19:06:57 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
19:06:59 BACK TO THE TOXICOLOGIST.
19:07:03 SO -- BUT IS IT -- DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IF -- SO NOW
19:07:07 THE CAR MAY NOT HIT IT HEADLINE AND TURN AND HIT IT IN
19:07:08 THE SIDE.
19:07:11 SOMETHING IF THE CAR HITS AT LOW SPEED WILL CAUSE IT TO
19:07:14 RUPTURE OR -- HOW HIGH OF A SPEED AND HUE BIG OF A CAR
19:07:17 WOULD IT TAKE TO RUPTURE IT?
19:07:18 >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
19:07:22 I HAVE SEEN TRAIN DERAILMENT WHERE THE CHLORINE CAR HAS
19:07:26 BEEN HIT WITH FULLY LOADED FREIGHT TRAIN CARS AND JUST
19:07:28 HAS SCRATCHES ON THE OUTER SHELL.
19:07:31 IF YOU DROVE YOUR TRUCK 100 MILES PER HOUR INTO ONE OF
19:07:37 THESE TANK CARS HEAD ON, YOU WOULD DESTROY THE TRUCK
19:07:41 AND FEW SCRATCHES ON THE PAINT.
19:07:47 THEY ARE TO DESIGN TO WITHSTAND 65-MILE-PER-HOUR TRAIN
19:07:48 DERAILMENT.
19:07:51 >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD BUILD HOUSES THAT WAY.
19:07:55 YOU SAYS IT VERY UNLIKELY THERE WILL BE ANY KIND OF
19:07:55 LEAK.
19:07:58 BUT IF THERE WAS AND SOME OF IT GOT OVER THE FENCE AND
19:08:01 WENT INTO ONE OF THE UNITS, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WOULD
19:08:05 IT HAVE ON THE PEOPLE INSIDE, AND WOULD IT MAKE A
19:08:07 DIFFERENCE WHETHER THEY HAVE THEIR WINDOW OPEN OR AIR
19:08:09 CONDITIONER ON?
19:08:14 ANY PROTECTION FROM WINDOWS, AIR CONDITIONER.
19:08:17 A MILD EFFECT ON THE PEOPLE OR SERIOUS IMPACT?
19:08:20 >> WELL, THE THING TO REMEMBER THAT CHLORINE WANTS TO
19:08:22 DISSIPATE INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
19:08:25 AND GOING TO BE A RATHER SHORT DURATION EVENT IF IT IS
19:08:29 A SHORT RELEASE, LIKE FROM A VALVE.
19:08:32 PEOPLE OUTSIDE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO SMELL IT.
19:08:35 IT WILL SMELL LIKE YOUR NEAREST SWIMMING POOL.
19:08:40 IT CAN HAVE SHORT-TERM IRRITATION EFFECTS THAT PEOPLE
19:08:41 WOULD HAVE.
19:08:44 NO PROBLEM SURVIVING AND HAVE NO ONGOING EFFECT, BUT
19:08:49 WHAT I FEEL LIKE HAS BEEN DONE TO MITIGATE SEVERE
19:08:52 INJURY IS GETTING THE PEOPLE FARTHER AWAY.
19:08:55 HAVING A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THEM TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE
19:08:57 SUPPOSED TO SHELTER OFFICER THERE IS AN ALARM.
19:09:00 HAVING AN ALARM SYSTEM ALONG THE FENCE LINE.
19:09:03 A LOT OF WAYS TO GET PEOPLE NOTIFIED BECAUSE TIMING IS
19:09:05 OF THE ESSENCE.
19:09:07 IF THERE IS A RELEASE, INSIDE.
19:09:12 HVAC SYSTEMS WILL NOT PULL FRESH AIR FROM OUTSIDE.
19:09:14 PART OF THE CODE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE
19:09:14 BUILDINGS.
19:09:19 SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THEIR INTERNAL HVAC
19:09:23 SYSTEM.
19:09:25 SO KEEPING PEOPLE FARTHER AWAY.
19:09:27 GIVING THEM MORE DISTANCE AND HAVING WAY INSIDE THIS IS
19:09:30 NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED.
19:09:32 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT NO CHLORINE WILL COME IN THROUGH
19:09:36 SOMEBODY'S WINDOW, BUT WE HAVE SEEN -- IT HAS BEEN
19:09:39 STUDIED AND SEEN FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS WITH
19:09:43 THESE TYPE OF CHEMICALS THAT ANY TYPE OF BARRIER HELPS.
19:09:48 THERE ARE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE SURVIVED LARGE-SCALE -- IN
19:09:52 SOUTH CAROLINA, A WOMAN SURVIVED IN HER CAR 50 FEET
19:09:54 AWAY FROM THE WRECK WHILE THERE WERE PEOPLE FARTHER
19:09:56 AWAY WHO DIED.
19:09:59 HER CAR PROVIDED HER ENOUGH PROTECTION THAT SHE
19:10:02 SURVIVED WITH THAT CHLORINE.
19:10:04 >>BILL CARLSON: IF SHE WAS -- JUST ASKING QUESTIONS
19:10:05 FOR EDUCATION.
19:10:08 SO -- BUT IF SHE WAS STANDING 50 FEET AWAY WITHOUT A
19:10:11 CAR, THEN WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?
19:10:13 >> -- IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR HER.
19:10:17 SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED WITH HIGHLY INJURIOUS
19:10:19 AMOUNTS..
19:10:21 >>BILL CARLSON: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.
19:10:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO.
19:10:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL RESERVE MY QUESTIONS LATER.
19:10:27 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
19:10:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU ARE SITTING HERE NOW.
19:10:33 YOU USED TO SIT RIGHT THERE.
19:10:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:10:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW WHEN YOU USED TO SIT THERE.
19:10:42 THE AIR QUALITY SOMETIMES -- MR. MIRANDA, WOULD BE
19:10:43 COUGHING.
19:10:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU AND HI THE SAME HAIRDO.
19:10:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE COUGHED BECAUSE THE AIR IN THE
19:10:53 ROOM -- THIS BUILDING OR WHATEVER MAKES US KIND OF -- I
19:10:57 WOULDN'T SAY SICK, BUT IRRITATES US.
19:11:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM JUST GOING TO ASK
19:11:02 YOU IF YOU JUST CONFINE YOUR DISCUSSION --
19:11:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GETTING THERE, MR. SHELBY.
19:11:05 I AM GETTING THERE.
19:11:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
19:11:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THIS.
19:11:14 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTING A WALL, WE BREATHE
19:11:14 AIR.
19:11:18 I AM JUST TRYING FIGURE OUT HOW IS THIS WALL GOING TO
19:11:22 STOP CHLORINE IN THE AIR TO PEOPLE.
19:11:27 WHEN WE ARE SAYING MITIGATION IS TO PUT A WALLING.
19:11:31 SO I AM LOOKING AT -- IF EVERY DAY, IF POLLEN DROPS
19:11:33 FROM MY CAR EVERY DAY AND I SEE ALL THIS YELLOW ON MY
19:11:37 CAR, HOW IS THE WALL GOING TO STOP IT?
19:11:41 I MEAN -- YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS DIFFERENT.
19:11:43 BUT WE BREATHE IT EVERY DAY.
19:11:46 I WAS AT AN EVENT THIS SUNDAY AND AROUND TREES AND I
19:11:47 WAS BREATHING IT.
19:11:48 THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS.
19:11:52 IF YOU HAVE A WALL THAT IS MITIGATING TO STOP THE
19:11:53 CHLORINE.
19:11:54 HOW DOES THAT WORK?
19:11:58 I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
19:12:03 >> I THINK MR. NONY CAN REEXPLAIN HOW CHLORINE WORKS.
19:12:06 >> CHLORINE GAS IS A DENSE GAS.
19:12:07 IT TENDS TO HUG THE GROUND.
19:12:10 SO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN REAL RELEASES AND TEST
19:12:15 RELEASES, THAT IF WE HAVE BARRIERS ON THE GROUND, IT
19:12:19 WILL -- INHIBIT THE CHLORINE CLOUD FROM MOVING AND NICK
19:12:22 THAT YOU CAN TO DO SLOW IT DOWN AS IT WARMS UP.
19:12:24 THE WARMER IT GETS, IT WANTS TO GO UP IN THE
19:12:25 ATMOSPHERE.
19:12:28 ANYTHING YOU CAN TO DO SLOW IT DOWN WILL HELP CLOSER TO
19:12:31 THE SOURCE WHILE IT WARMS UP AND DISSIPATES INTO THE
19:12:32 ATMOSPHERE.
19:12:35 IF THE CHLORINE DIDN'T BEHAVE LIKE THAT, I WOULD
19:12:37 TOTALLY UNDER STAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
19:12:41 BUT THE BIGGEST THREAT IS A LARGE-SCALE LIQUID RELEASE
19:12:43 THAT CREATES A DENSE GAS.
19:12:50 WITH THAT DENSE GAS, IT WANTS TO TRAVEL ON THE GROUND.
19:12:53 >> IT HITS A WALL, COOLED UPRIGHT.
19:12:56 IT WILL GET COOLED UP AND IN THE DESERT OF UTAH WITH
19:12:59 THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
19:13:02 A WELL-KNOWN PROPERTY OF CHLORINE GAS.
19:13:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
19:13:07 ANYONE ELSE?
19:13:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TRYING TO BE REDUNDANT AND
19:13:14 NOT DISPUTE THIS IN ANY WAY, BUT ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS WE
19:13:17 ARE MAKING HERE IS BASED ON THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE
19:13:19 LEVEL OF HUMIDITY IN THE AIR.
19:13:21 AND I AM NOT A SCIENTIST.
19:13:23 BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT.
19:13:25 BUT IF YOU HAD A DAY LIKE TODAY WHERE THE AIR IS THICK
19:13:28 AND HEAVY, THAT WIND IS NOT GOING TO CARRY AND
19:13:29 DISSIPATE.
19:13:31 IT WILL BE STAGNANT FOR A WHILE.
19:13:36 OR IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER ASSUMPTION, IT COULD HAPPEN
19:13:39 HERE, HOPE IT NEVER HAPPENS AND IT HAVEN'T HAPPENED IN
19:13:41 A WHILE, BUT CERTAINLY THE THINGS THAT COME UP FROM
19:13:44 AFRICA, THEY CALL HURRICANES.
19:13:47 AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENS.
19:13:50 AND THIS IS AN ASSUMPTION ON MY PART.
19:13:53 JUST LIKE WE ARE MAKING AN ASSUMPTION ON EVERYONE'S
19:13:54 PART.
19:13:56 BUT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING, I AM TALKING ABOUT
19:13:59 THE CHLORINE WHO HAPPENS TO BE NEAR THE ZONING.
19:14:05 WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE OF THOSE TANKER TRUCKS TURNS OVER?
19:14:06 IT IS STUCK THERE.
19:14:06 STOPPED THERE.
19:14:09 YOU CAN'T MOVE BECAUSE OF HURRICANE.
19:14:10 YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
19:14:14 YOU SAY YOU HAVE -- AND I CHUCKLE AT MYSELF SOMETIMES.
19:14:17 EVERYBODY IS SAYING WE WILL PRO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION
19:14:23 TO GET OUT.
19:14:26 PROVIDING NO ONE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL OVER THE WORLD.
19:14:29 YOU CAN PROVIDE ALL YOU WANT, BUT IF TRAFFIC IS NOT
19:14:32 MOVING, WHAT YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK.
19:14:34 THAT IS NOT AN ASSUMPTION.
19:14:35 THAT IS FACT.
19:14:38 SO EVEN THOUGH WE ALLOW AND DURING THE HURRICANE
19:14:39 SEASON.
19:14:44 YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE-DAYS NOTICE IT IS GOING TO HIT.
19:14:44 YOU CAN LEAVE.
19:14:48 BUT US, WE ARE HUMAN, WE SAY, NAH, WE CAN LEAVE
19:14:48 TOMORROW.
19:14:49 WE CAN LEAVE IN AN HOUR.
19:14:52 WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE A JAM ALL OVER.
19:14:55 SOMETHING HAPPENED IN OCALA, AND PEOPLE DOWN HERE CAN'T
19:14:56 GET OUT.
19:14:57 THIS IS THE FACT.
19:15:08 IS NOT I AM NOT AGAINST THIS BUT I AM AGAINST SPEAKING
19:15:12 IN SUPERLATIVE THAT IN MY OPINION HAVE FLAWS.
19:15:14 THEY HAVE FLAWS BECAUSE THE UNCOMMON THING OF NATURE.
19:15:19 NATURE IS THE MOST POWERFUL THING IN THE WORLD.
19:15:22 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:15:24 >> MR. CHAIR.
19:15:27 TO FOLLOW ON THAT ITEM NUMBER 17 THAT YOU
19:15:29 SHOWED US WAS TRANSPORTATION IN CASE OF EVACUATION
19:15:31 ORDER.
19:15:35 AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT, YOUR EXPERT WITNESS
19:15:39 SAYS TIME OF THE ESSENCE.
19:15:41 TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
19:15:45 GOING BACK TO WHAT MR. MIRANDA SAID THAT IF A RAILROAD
19:15:49 TRAIN -- RAILROAD CROSSINGS BLOCKED IN FRONT OF THE
19:15:52 CHEMICAL TREATMENT PLANT AND THE OTHER ENDS OF TYSON
19:15:56 WHERE IT CROSSES TYSON, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
19:15:59 HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GET IN TO EVACUATE THOSE PEOPLE
19:15:59 OUT.
19:16:01 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
19:16:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE.
19:16:10 >> WELL, I WANT TO JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT PART OF THE
19:16:14 REASON WE BROUGHT DR. NONY HERE IS BECAUSE HE IS A
19:16:14 SCIENTIST.
19:16:18 HE IS SPEAKING ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF THESE TANKERS.
19:16:25 CFI'S REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THEY
19:16:27 ARE EFFECTIVE DURING A HURRICANE.
19:16:31 THAT THEY ARE STRONG ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN WITHSTAND
19:16:36 100-MILE-PER-HOUR PICKUP TRUCK AND A TERRORISM, A
19:16:37 HIGH-SPEED CRASH.
19:16:44 SO THAT -- THEY -- THEY CAN -- THAT THE MOST LIKE LIE
19:16:47 -- AND EVEN THAT IS NOT LIKELY -- A SMALL EVENT THAT
19:16:51 WOULD BE WITHSTOOD BY THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT CFI
19:16:53 IS ALREADY HAVING THAT WE WOULD ADD TO BY OUR
19:16:56 MITIGATION MEASURES.
19:16:59 CERTAINLY WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR OWN PLANS THAT
19:17:05 WOULD ALLOW US TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS BOTH FROM THE
19:17:09 -- THE DANGERS POTENTIALLY FROM CFI AS WELL AS THE
19:17:13 DANGER FROM A HURRICANE REQUIRING THEM TO EVACUATE WHEN
19:17:17 THE EVACUATION ORDERS ARE ISSUED BY PINELLAS AND
19:17:18 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
19:17:23 SO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE DR. NONY
19:17:23 ADDRESS.
19:17:26 WITH REGARD TO TRANSPORTATION, CERTAINLY AFTER 2009,
19:17:30 THE RESERVATIONS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT'S WHY
19:17:32 EVENTS HAD DECREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
19:17:37 AND I THINK DR. NONY CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE
19:17:38 HAVE REBUTTAL.
19:17:42 AND WHAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY IS THAT WE COME WITH
19:17:45 SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.
19:17:49 WE HAVE DECREASED DENSITY SIGNIFICANTLY.
19:17:51 WE HAVE -- WE HAVE MADE IMPORTANT CHANGES TO THE DESIGN
19:17:53 OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
19:17:56 WE HAVE MADE THE PROJECT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE
19:17:59 SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL USES AND IN PARTICULAR WITH CFI,
19:18:01 WE WORKED VERY HARD WITH CITY STAFF.
19:18:05 WE WORKED VERY HARD WITH CHEMICAL FORMULATORS.
19:18:08 WE HAVE A PLAN THAT MR. STEADY RECOMMENDS THAT THE
19:18:12 PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS CONSISTENT WITH 8.11.5.
19:18:16 THAT THE CITY STAFF FINDS COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND
19:18:18 DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
19:18:21 WE ARE IN AN AREA WHERE WE ARE FINDING THE INDUSTRIAL
19:18:28 AND THE RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL MEETING EACH OTHER
19:18:31 AND THE COMPLICATION THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RESOLVE, BUT
19:18:33 WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT.
19:18:37 WE MET OUR BURDEN WITH COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
19:18:38 IN THE RECORD.
19:18:40 WE MET OUR BURDEN IN DOING THAT TONIGHT.
19:18:44 AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE OUR
19:18:44 PROJECT TONIGHT.
19:18:46 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:18:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
19:18:54 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK THE TOXICOLOGIST ONE MORE
19:18:54 QUESTION.
19:18:57 IF HE IS STILL BEFORE HE LEAVES.
19:19:00 AND LEGAL CAN CUT ME OFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY QUESTION.
19:19:05 BUT, PROFESSOR -- OR DOCTOR, IN -- IN TEN YEARS, LET'S
19:19:10 SAY WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AND IN TEN YEARS, A BIG
19:19:13 EVENT HAPPENS, AND THE PRESS DES SENDS ON THE PROJECT
19:19:17 AND SAYS WHY DID THE STUPID CITY COUNCIL BACK WHEN VOTE
19:19:20 IN, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE -- IF YOU WERE THERE,
19:19:26 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IN OUR DEFENSE AT THAT TIME?
19:19:32 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT THE DECISION WE MADE TONIGHT
19:19:35 IN OUR DEFENSE?
19:19:38 >> I WOULD SAY THERE IS NO DECISION THAT
19:19:41 DOESN'T COME WITH SOME CONSIDERATION.
19:19:46 I THINK WHAT I SEE BEFORE -- BEFORE THIS GROUP IS A
19:19:51 DECISION THAT INVOLVES A LOT OF SCIENCE, A LOT OF DATA,
19:19:54 A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
19:19:59 WHERE WE WERE IN THE '90S AND EARLY 2000S AND WHERE WE
19:20:05 ARE NOW WITH CHEMICAL SAFETY AND YOU CAN'T KEEP EVERY
19:20:06 INCIDENT FROM HAPPENING.
19:20:09 BUT IF AN INCIDENT DOES HAPPEN, YOU GOT ENOUGH SCIENCE
19:20:13 AND ENOUGH MITIGATING PROCEDURES AND ENOUGH INFORMATION
19:20:18 AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO SAY THE CHANCES OF SOMETHING LIKE
19:20:23 THIS HAPPENING WAS TO SO LOW, THAT IT MAKES SENSE NOT A
19:20:24 APPROVE.
19:20:26 I THINK AS A SCIENTIST AND A TOXICOLOGIST.
19:20:29 I WORK WITH THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME.
19:20:32 AND IF PEOPLE REALLY KNEW WHERE THE RISKS WERE AROUND
19:20:35 THEIR HOMES, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, THEY WOULD PROBABLY
19:20:37 HAVE THEIR EYES OPEN.
19:20:41 I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS FACILITY
19:20:44 ARE UNDULY AT RISK IN THIS SITUATION.
19:20:48 AND I WOULD -- I WOULD DEFEND WHAT I HAVE TOLD YOU.
19:20:50 BECAUSE IT IS PROOF.
19:20:51 SCIENTIFIC FACT.
19:20:54 AND THIS IS HOW WE AN ACCESS RISK.
19:20:57 NEVER NO RISK, BUT WE WEIGH IT AND SAY WHAT ARE THE
19:20:59 CHANCES THAT SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS.
19:21:01 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE MORE QUESTION, IF I COULD.
19:21:05 THESE CARS GOING ON A TRAIN THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA.
19:21:07 SO THEY ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
19:21:09 I DON'T REMEMBER THE MAP EXACTLY AND YOU TALKED OF THE
19:21:11 SAFETY OF THOSE.
19:21:14 HOW MUCH IS THE RELATIVE RISK OF THE PROCESSING
19:21:19 FACILITY VERSUS THE CARS -- IT SOUNDS -- THEY SOUND
19:21:21 LIKE TANKS ON A TRAIN.
19:21:24 BUT WHAT IS -- WHAT IS THE RELATIVE RISK OF THE
19:21:29 PROCESSING OF IT TURNING THE BLEACH --
19:21:30 >> A GOOD QUESTION.
19:21:34 WHAT IS GOING ON AT A FACILITY LIKE CFI, A LOT MORE
19:21:37 MANAGEMENT HANDLING OF THE CHLORINE.
19:21:39 THAT IS WHY THERE ARE THESE MITIGATION PROCEDURES IN
19:21:40 PLACE.
19:21:42 THE AUTO SHUTOFF VALVES.
19:21:44 THE SYSTEM ON THE RAILCAR.
19:21:46 TRANSFER APPARATUS.
19:21:49 BUT ALL THAT -- ALL THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING
19:21:51 CHLORINE FROM ONE CONTAINER TO THE ANOTHER.
19:21:52 PUTTING IT IN THE PROCESS.
19:21:56 WHEN THE TANKS ARE GOING DOWN THE MAIN LINE RAIL, THE
19:21:59 FASTER THEY GO, THE BETTER THE CHANCE IS.
19:22:02 ALBEIT THESE DAYS MUCH LESS.
19:22:05 BUT THE BETTER THE CHANCE THAT THEY COULD HAVE AN
19:22:08 INCIDENT THAT CAUSE CATASTROPHIC RUPTURE OF THAT INNER
19:22:09 TANK.
19:22:15 THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING WHEN CSX IS PUSHING A
19:22:19 LINE OF CAR NOTICE CFI PROBABLY FIVE MILES PER HOUR AT
19:22:22 THE MOST ARE PRACTICALLY ZERO.
19:22:26 ZERO INCIDENTS OF CATASTROPHIC TANK FAILURES, EVEN THE
19:22:27 OLD TANK.
19:22:31 WHEN THEY ARE MOVING FIVE MILES PER HOUR AND HAVE A
19:22:32 WRECK.
19:22:34 IT HAS TO INVOLVE HIGH SPEED.
19:22:36 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
19:22:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
19:22:41 DOES SHE HAVE ANY MORE TIME ON THE CLOCK, MADAM CLERK.
19:22:44 >> ONE MINUTE AND FOUR SECONDS.
19:22:46 >> SAVE IT FOR REBUTTAL.
19:22:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO PROBLEM.
19:22:51 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
19:22:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO TO THE PUBLIC.
19:23:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHE REQUESTED TIME ON REBUTTAL.
19:23:03 I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID WITH REGARD TO REBUTTAL.
19:23:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE DID.
19:23:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WOULD BE -- OKAY.
19:23:20 WE STAND IN RECESS.
19:23:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER TO
19:23:28 MAKE SURE IN YOUR TRAVELS, YOU DON'T OVERHEAR ANY
19:23:29 DISCUSSION.
19:36:29 PLEASE, THANK YOU
19:36:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CITY COUNCIL BACK IN SESSION.
19:36:33 ROLL CALL.
19:36:34 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
19:36:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
19:36:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
19:36:39 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
19:36:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
19:36:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
19:36:46 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
19:36:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS NOW.
19:36:51 >> I GET MORE THAN THREE MINUTES BECAUSE THEY GOT AN
19:36:52 EXTRA TEN.
19:36:54 LET'S NOT DEBATE ABOUT IT FOR TWO MINUTES.
19:36:58 GIVE ME TWO MINUTES.
19:37:00 COME ON, NOW, THAT IS ONLY FAIR.
19:37:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ALREADY SAID THAT EARLIER.
19:37:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WANT FIVE MINUTES.
19:37:07 >> OKAY.
19:37:12 GIVE TO CARROLL ANN TOO WHILE YOU ARE AT IT.
19:37:13 GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.
19:37:16 A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
19:37:19 THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IN THIS PLAN HAVING PLAN IF
19:37:21 THERE IS A CHLORINE THING.
19:37:23 THEY SAID SOMETHING --
19:37:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE --
19:37:30 >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK --
19:37:32 I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT.
19:37:34 ANYWAY, I WANTED TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THINK THAT
19:37:39 HEARD THIS EVENING THAT THERE WAS NO PLAN TO NOTIFY THE
19:37:44 TENANTS THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL
19:37:45 PLANT NEXT DOOR.
19:37:46 HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE THERE.
19:37:53 THERE WAS NO -- IN THE TENANT WAIVERS.
19:37:56 I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF TAMPA FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW HAS A
19:38:01 PLAN BECAUSE I SENT YOU GUYS AN E-MAIL TO THE QJ BOX
19:38:05 EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT TAMPA PD IN DECEMBER HAD NO PLAN
19:38:07 FOR CFI.
19:38:08 IS THERE A PLAN NOW?
19:38:09 WHAT IS IT?
19:38:11 WHEN WAS IT DEVELOPED?
19:38:14 THERE IS OVER A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL
19:38:19 SPACE WITHIN 200 YARDS OF THIS FACILITY.
19:38:20 OF THE FACILITY.
19:38:25 I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE 99,000 DOLLARS FOR INTERBAY
19:38:26 WILL GO.
19:38:28 WHAT WILL IT BE SPENT ON.
19:38:31 SO, LET ME GET BACK TO MY ORIGINAL SPEECH.
19:38:32 GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.
19:38:37 YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THAT I DO NOT LIKE PLYWOOD PALACES,
19:38:40 BUT 226 IS BETTER THAN 299.
19:38:45 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE IN
19:38:45 THE MIX.
19:38:46 I ASKED FOR IT.
19:38:51 WE HAVE NONE CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR SOUTH OF GANDY.
19:38:55 WOODFIELD COULD BE GRACIOUS AND ADD SOME AFFORDABLE OR
19:39:02 WORKFORCE HOUSING TO THIS SITUATION.
19:39:07 WITH THAT BEING, NO ENVY, TURN DOWN AND SUED BY THE
19:39:11 DEVELOPER FOR INFRINGEMENT, OR APPROVE IT AND GET SUED
19:39:15 IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT WITH THE CHEMICAL PLANT
19:39:16 ABUTTING THIS PROPERTY.
19:39:19 I DON'T SEE THAT THE CITY HAS ANY EXPERTS PRESENTING
19:39:23 THAT SAY THAT IT IS SAFE TO BUILD THERE.
19:39:26 OF COURSE, WE HAVE SEEN THE REPRESENTATIVE -- THE
19:39:30 DEVELOPERS' EXPERT, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU
19:39:33 THE THINGS THAT YOU -- HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU CAN TRUST
19:39:34 THAT PERSON?
19:39:37 HOW DO YOU KNOW -- THEY WILL NOT STAND UP HERE AND TELL
19:39:38 YOU IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
19:39:42 SO IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE EXPERTS, WHO DO YOU TRUST?
19:39:46 WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE THE EPC WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO
19:39:47 GO.
19:39:48 THE PINK SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU.
19:39:53 THAT VERY FRONT SHEET, IS A REAL QUICK AND DIRTY ON
19:39:58 WHAT THE EPC PROVIDED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN MAY.
19:40:03 AND IT HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS ON THERE ABOUT THE
19:40:08 -- ABOUT ACCIDENTS THAT HAD HAPPENED OVER THE TIME THAT
19:40:10 CFI HAS BEEN THERE.
19:40:14 I ASKED CITY COUNCIL TODAY TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO
19:40:17 HAVE CITY STAFF REPORT BACK TO THEM ON THE STATUS OF
19:40:20 CFI EVERY 60 DAYS.
19:40:26 I ALSO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO
19:40:29 HAVE STAFF REPORT HOW WE CAN USE THE INCREASE IN TAX
19:40:33 REVENUE -- IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WHITE PAPER -- I WOULD
19:40:36 LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET LOOKING PAPER
19:40:37 IN YOUR PACKET.
19:40:40 JUST FROM TWO OF THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON
19:40:46 RATTLESNAKE POINT, JUST IN ONE YEAR ALONE, 2.6 MILLION
19:40:49 DOLLAR INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE.
19:40:54 WHY CAN WE NOT GET CFI GONE?
19:40:56 THERE IS A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.
19:41:00 PLEASE REACH OUT AND PULL THE CORD AND TURN THE LIGHT
19:41:07 ON AND LET'S GET THIS SUCKER OUT OF HERE.
19:41:11 CAROLE POST STAYED IN AUGUST, WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE
19:41:13 THE CONVERSATION AND THE CONCEPT OF -- BUT IT IS
19:41:15 UNLIKELY THE CITY WILL SUPPORT THIS.
19:41:19 AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE SPINNING THEIR WHEELS
19:41:22 SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT MAKING A DEAL TO GET US A
19:41:28 WATERFRONT PARK TO HELP PAY -- TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF
19:41:32 THE COSTS THAT THE DEVELOPER WHO CAME UP WITH THE PLAN
19:41:32 HAD.
19:41:35 THAT DEVELOPER HAS COME TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU AND
19:41:38 HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT IT, AND NONE OF YOU
19:41:40 SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
19:41:43 SO LET'S GET OFF OUR BUTTS AND START TALK OF GETTING
19:41:48 CFI IN OUR REAR VIEW MIRROR AS OPPOSED TO PLAYING GAMES
19:41:48 WITH IT.
19:42:10 THANK YOU.
19:42:15 >> HI, I AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT, AND I AM A LIFE-LONG
19:42:16 RESIDENT.
19:42:19 MANY AREAS WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO KEEP INDUSTRIAL
19:42:22 OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT A BIG MISTAKE THAT IS
19:42:24 HOW SOG RESIDENTS FEEL.
19:42:27 THEY ARE PORTRAYED AS UNREASONABLE ANTI-DEVELOPMENT
19:42:30 PEOPLE, BUT IN FACT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.
19:42:34 SOG ALWAYS HAD COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES.
19:42:36 THEY LIKE HAVING THEM AS NEIGHBORS AND WANT MORE OF
19:42:37 THEM.
19:42:40 THOSE BUSINESSES PROVIDE JOBS THAT ARE MINUTES AWAY.
19:42:45 GROWING UP, MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR ROAD HIS BIKE.
19:42:52 I USED TO RIDE MY BIKE TO RIDE AT THE BIG MAAS
19:42:52 BROTHERS.
19:42:55 YES, THE CITY NEEDS HOUSING, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE
19:42:58 HOUSING CRISIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD JOBS CRISIS.
19:43:02 RATTLESNAKE POINT WAS AN UNIQUE INDUSTRIAL SITE WITH
19:43:04 WATER AND RAILROAD ACCESS.
19:43:07 THE POINT PROVIDED GOOD PAYING JOBS FOR DECADES.
19:43:11 FOOLISH AND SHORTSIGHTED FOR THE CITY TO GIVE THAT
19:43:11 AWAY.
19:43:14 THE CITY REPLACED THOSE JOBS WITH THOUSANDS OF CARS ON
19:43:17 A FLOODING PENINSULA WITH INACCURATE INFRASTRUCTURE
19:43:21 THAT COULD TURN DEADLY IN AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION.
19:43:22 I HAVE SEEN THE DATA.
19:43:24 WHILE BUILDERS MAKE BIG PROFITS, THE BIGGEST PROFITS
19:43:28 ARE MADE BY LANDOWNERS WREN THEY GET A CHANGE IN LAND
19:43:30 USE AND ZONING.
19:43:34 THE RATTLESNAKE POINT LANDOWNERS GOT THE CITY TO MAKE
19:43:37 THOSE CHANGES AND NOW THEY ASK SKY HIGH PRICES FOR
19:43:38 THEIR LAND.
19:43:41 THE COMP PLAN HAS NEVER ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
19:43:43 ABUTTING CFI.
19:43:46 THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO SPECULATE ON A LAND DEAL THAT
19:43:49 VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN.
19:43:52 AT EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUILDERS SAY YOU MUST
19:43:55 APPROVE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH THE COMP
19:43:55 PLAN.
19:43:58 NOW THEY SAY YOU MUST APPROVE SOMETHING EVEN THOUGH IT
19:44:00 VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN.
19:44:03 SO IS THE COMP PLAN COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS?
19:44:06 I DID NOT HEAR STAFF SAY THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE
19:44:11 REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN.
19:44:15 HOMELAND SECURITY CITED RAILCARS AS TARGETS FOR
19:44:16 TERRORISTS.
19:44:20 CSI IS LISTED AS A TOP TARGET IN TWO INDEPENDENT
19:44:21 REPORTS.
19:44:24 RAILCARS WITH TONS OF CHLORINE GAS GO THROUGH SOUTH
19:44:25 TAMPA EVERY DAY.
19:44:33 THE RAILROAD ARE TERRIFIED OF LAWSUIT AND COULD STOP
19:44:37 CHLORINE TRANSPORTATION IF THEY COULD.
19:44:41 BUT DISASTERS DON'T MAKE APPOINTMENTS.
19:44:47 SEPTEMBER 11, 2001.
19:44:49 WASN'T CIRCLED IN RED.
19:44:55 ON THE NATION'S CALENDAR.
19:44:59 IS THERE ANY STAFF MEMBER WHO IS SPECIFICALLY QUALIFIED
19:45:04 TO SAY THESE PLANS WILL KEEP RESIDENTS SAFE?
19:45:08 THE SALE OF CFI COULD HAVE BEEN A DONE DEAL, BUT THE
19:45:13 CITY HAS BEEN UNWILLING TO BUY THE TAXPAYERS A SIX-ACRE
19:45:15 WATERFRONT PARK.
19:45:16 I NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS.
19:45:19 WE ARE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO BUY CFI.
19:45:22 THAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE.
19:45:24 ALTHOUGH THE CURRENT MAYOR AND THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL
19:45:29 DID NOT MAKE THIS MESS, YOU ARE THE ONES WHO MUST CLEAN
19:45:30 IT UP.
19:45:33 PLEASE DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT
19:45:37 THAT ALREADY THE CITY'S FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY ASAP,
19:45:40 AND TAKE SOME OF THE NEW TAX MONEY FROM ALL THESE
19:45:43 DEVELOPMENTS AND BUY A SIX-ACRE WATERFRONT PARK FOR
19:45:45 TAMPA'S CITIZENS.
19:45:51 THANK YOU.
19:45:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
19:45:59 ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
19:46:05 >>CLERK: YES, JEAN STROHMEYER IS ON LINE.
19:46:08 >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE THE VIRTUAL.
19:46:10 >> WE WILL TAKE YOU.
19:46:12 >> THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
19:46:17 >> GOOD EVENING, JESSICA IZERMAN, AN ATTORNEY, WE
19:46:19 REPRESENT MAA WHICH IS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH
19:46:22 OF THE PROPERTY WHO HAD A MIXED USE PROJECT APPROVED
19:46:24 LATE LAST YEAR.
19:46:26 WE DO NOT REPRESENT CFI.
19:46:29 WE REPRESENT ANOTHER PROJECT.
19:46:31 IN RATTLESNAKE POINT.
19:46:34 SORRY, I JUST CLIMBED THREE FLIGHTS OF STAIRS.
19:46:36 OKAY.
19:46:39 WE ARE STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
19:46:42 I HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THE
19:46:45 RISK OF THE CHLORINE TRAINS.
19:46:49 AND I DO -- I THINK YOU -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR
19:46:53 POINTING OUT THAT THE TRAINS DO GO THROUGH OTHER HIGHLY
19:46:56 POPULATED AREAS INCLUDING DOWNTOWN AND COUNTLESS
19:46:59 STREETS AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE HAS BEEN NO REZONING
19:47:04 REQUESTS DENIED FOR POSSIBLE CHLORINE EXPOSURE DUE TO
19:47:06 PROXIMITY OF THOSE RAILCARS.
19:47:07 OKAY.
19:47:09 THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF
19:47:13 RATTLESNAKE POINT OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
19:47:20 WHICH CONTEMPLATES FROM INDUSTRIAL TO REFERRING AND
19:47:21 COMMERCIAL.
19:47:26 IT HAS EXISTED SINCE THE 190S WITH GANDY POLICIES WERE
19:47:27 ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
19:47:30 THE WATERFRONT AMENITIES PROPOSED BY THE PROJECT A
19:47:32 WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SOUTH OF
19:47:34 GANDY COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
19:47:38 FURTHER, THE PUBLIC BOARDWALK ALONG THE WATER IS AN
19:47:40 IMPORTANT STEP OF ENHANCING CONNECTIVITY AND MIXING
19:47:44 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS SEVERAL POLICIES
19:47:47 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGE THAT.
19:47:50 AND SO WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS
19:47:58 PROPOSED FLUEDRA ELEMENT AND SUPPORT OF OPTION 1 AND
19:47:58 OPTION 2.
19:47:59 THANK YOU.
19:48:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
19:48:05 NOW WE HAVE VIRTUAL.
19:48:09 >>CLERK: WE HAD THREE -- TWO AND -- ONE DID NOT SHOW
19:48:10 UP.
19:48:15 ONE AND IN PERSON AND JEAN STROHMEYER ONLINE.
19:48:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
19:48:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS SHE NOT THERE?
19:48:41 ARE YOU THERE, JEAN?
19:48:43 >> HELLO?
19:48:43 HELLO?
19:48:44 CAN YOU HEAR ME.
19:48:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU HEAR US.
19:48:49 >> YAY.
19:48:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
19:48:53 >> SHARING MY WEB CAM.
19:48:54 THERE IS THE BUTTON.
19:48:59 GOOD EVENING, --
19:49:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SWEAR NEW, FIRST, JEAN.
19:49:04 [SWEARING IN]
19:49:05 >> SO HELP ME GOD.
19:49:08 I HAVE A BIBLE HERE THAT WILL TELL YOU SO.
19:49:13 ANYWAY, MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, AND I AM REALLY
19:49:14 SHY.
19:49:15 YOU ALL KNOW THAT BY NOW.
19:49:19 I AM VERY SHY ABOUT MY BELIEFS AND OPINIONS.
19:49:21 SO I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION THAT.
19:49:22 OKAY.
19:49:24 I AM JUST LISTENING TO THIS.
19:49:31 AND, YOU KNOW HE, THERE IS JUST SO MUCH TO UN RAVEL
19:49:31 HERE.
19:49:35 THEY WANT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
19:49:39 THE CFI -- WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DO
19:49:42 ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE NEED
19:49:45 TO LISTEN TO WHAT GOES ON AND WHAT WE KNOW THAT THEY
19:49:45 DON'T KNOW.
19:49:48 I MEAN, I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT HAS BEEN GOING
19:49:54 ON WITH THE CITY WITH -- AS -- Y'ALL HAVE SEEN MY -- MY
19:49:55 E-MAILS.
19:49:57 SO I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED.
19:49:58 JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
19:50:00 SO THEY ARE TALKING OF EVACUATIONS.
19:50:03 OKAY, JUST GOING BACK TO THE PROJECT.
19:50:04 THE EVACUATIONS.
19:50:08 THE EVACUATIONS THEY ARE REFERRING TO ONLY.
19:50:11 THE EVACUATIONS FOR THOSE UNITS ONLY WILL NOT BE
19:50:13 EVACUATED BY THOSE UNITS.
19:50:15 WE ARE TALKING OF THE EVACUATION BY EVERYBODY DOWN PORT
19:50:19 TAMPA WHO CAN'T GET THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE OVERBUILDING
19:50:25 ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE PENINSULA WITHIN THE
19:50:25 PENINSULA.
19:50:27 THOSE ARE THE EVACUATIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
19:50:29 THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE DYING IN THEIR CAR.
19:50:34 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE HELICOPTER E VA CS
19:50:34 OUT.
19:50:36 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE WILL DO.
19:50:39 BUT MOST PEOPLE DOWN HERE WHO LIVE HERE AND HAVE BUILT
19:50:44 THIS CITY DOWN HERE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT.
19:50:46 SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENTAL
19:50:54 RELEASE OF TOXICS FROM THE CHEMICALS.
19:50:56 THE GUY -- THE TOXICOLOGIST AND THEY ARE SAYING THE
19:50:57 SLIGHT CHANCES.
19:51:00 WHAT ARE THE CHANCE AS SOON AS THE CHANCES ARE REALLY
19:51:00 SLIM.
19:51:02 YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SLIM CHANNELS.
19:51:07 A REALLY, REALLY SLIM CHANCE LAST JANUARY WHEN OUR
19:51:11 FARMER IN SOUTH TAMPA GOT MAULED AND TRAMPLED BY HIS
19:51:12 OWN BULL.
19:51:14 NOW THAT JUST DIDN'T -- DOESN'T HAPPEN.
19:51:19 A SLIGHT CHANCE WHEN MY BROTHER WAS RIDING ON THE
19:51:22 PINELLAS TRAIL WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND ON A TANDEM BIKE AND
19:51:26 SOME GUY HIT ANOTHER CAR CAUSING A ANOTHER CAR TO ROLL
19:51:29 OVER AND FLIP AND KILL THEM BOTH ON THE SCENE.
19:51:33 THAT IS JUST -- THAT IS, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T WRITE THAT
19:51:34 CIRCLE ON THE CALENDAR.
19:51:38 HOW ABOUT THE INCIDENT WHERE THE ONE GUY WITH --
19:51:41 SPEEDING 100 MILES PER HOUR DOWN BAYSHORE AND KILLED A
19:51:42 MOTHER AND A BABY.
19:51:46 WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT MOTHER AND BABY AT THAT EXACT
19:51:47 TIME.
19:51:52 ACCIDENT AND THESE DO NOT HAPPEN BY APPOINTMENT.
19:51:55 THEY HAPPEN WHEN ALL THINGS JUST COME TOGETHER.
19:51:57 NOW GOD HAS HIS WAYS.
19:52:00 AND GOD WILL TAKE US WHEN IT IS -- WHEN HE IS GOOD AND
19:52:02 READY FOR US AND WE HOPE OUR SOULS ARE READY FOR THAT.
19:52:04 JUST SAYING.
19:52:07 SO WITH THIS WHOLE SITUATION, I JUST FEEL THESE PEOPLE
19:52:12 HAVE BEEN PUSHING AND PUSHING AND WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT
19:52:13 HAS HAPPENED.
19:52:14 WE SAW WITH DINGFELDER.
19:52:18 WE SAW IT WITH ALL THE OTHER ONES YOU SAID NO TO, THEY
19:52:19 JUST SUE.
19:52:21 SUE, SUE, SUE.
19:52:26 BUT THERE HAS BE TOO POINT WHERE SOMEBODY PUTS THEIR
19:52:29 BIG BOY PANTS ON AND SAY NO.
19:52:30 JUST DEAL WITH IT.
19:52:31 WE HAVE WHAT IS RIGHT.
19:52:32 AND WHAT IS WRONG.
19:52:34 THERE IS ONLY ONE RIGHT.
19:52:34 ONLY ONE RIGHT.
19:52:37 AND I HOPE YOU START WRITING THE WRONGS THAT ARE GOING
19:52:40 ON IN THIS CORRUPT CITY THAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING AND
19:52:45 OTHER PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY COMING TO ME AND WONDERING
19:52:46 WHY THIS CITY IS CORRUPT.
19:52:50 I TRY SAY -- I TRY TO SAYS IT NOT Y'ALL, BUT Y'ALL CAN
19:52:50 FIX IT.
19:52:55 ANYWAY, HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON, EVENING, NIGHT, BEEN
19:52:56 HERE ALL DAY.
19:52:58 PEACE OUT.
19:52:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
19:53:01 ANYONE ELSE, MADAM CLERK?
19:53:03 >>CLERK: THAT WAS IT.
19:53:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT.
19:53:32 >> THANK YOU, AGAIN.
19:53:36 I WANT TO JUST POINT OUT A FEW -- A FEW THINGS.
19:53:39 FIRST OF ALL, QUICK RESPONSE.
19:53:41 CONDITION 18 DOES REQUIRE THAT WE PROVIDE NOTICE TO
19:53:46 TENANTS AND PROSPECTIVE TENANTS.
19:53:49 WE ADDED THAT AT THE REQUEST OF STEPHANIE THAT WE
19:53:53 NOTIFY WHERE THEY ARE COMING TO POTENTIALLY LIVE.
19:53:57 THE TAMPA BAY LOCAL PLANNING COMMITTEE THROUGH THE
19:54:01 TAMPA BAY REGIONAL COMMISSION HAS A HAZARDOUS EMERGENCY
19:54:04 RESPONSE PLAN THAT WORKS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT
19:54:08 COUNTIES IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AND HAS SPECIFIC
19:54:10 PROVISIONS FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT RELATE TO WHERE
19:54:13 ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
19:54:16 THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR MITIGATING AND DEALING WITH
19:54:19 HAZARDOUS ISSUES.
19:54:22 AND CFI IS ONE OF THE FACILITIES WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH
19:54:26 COUNTY THAT -- THAT THE COUNTY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A
19:54:27 PLAN FOR.
19:54:30 SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS
19:54:32 ACTUALLY DOING, BUT THERE IS -- THROUGH THE TAMPA BAY
19:54:35 LOCAL PLANNING COMMITTEE, THROUGH THE TAMPA BAY
19:54:42 REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, THAT IS WHERE THAT LOCAL
19:54:45 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COMES FROM.
19:54:48 MMA AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED HERE ARE
19:54:50 SIMILARLY SITUATED.
19:54:51 THEY DO NOT ABUT.
19:54:55 WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE 8.11.5 WHICH
19:54:57 TALKS OF THE FACT THAT WE ABUT.
19:55:00 IT ALSO TALKS OF BEING UNDULY AT RISK.
19:55:01 IT DOESN'T SAY NO RISK.
19:55:04 OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH A SITUATION OF NO
19:55:05 RISK.
19:55:07 WE ARE DEALING WITH A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS
19:55:09 POTENTIALLY SOME RISK.
19:55:17 BUT LIKE ANY HIGH-RISK, LOW PROBABILITY SITUATION, WE
19:55:20 ARE MITT GAZING TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE NOT UNDULY AT
19:55:20 RISK.
19:55:23 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS REACH OUT TO AN EXPERT, A
19:55:26 SCIENTIST, A DOCTOR, WHO SPECIALIZES IN THIS TO PROVIDE
19:55:31 US WITH INFORMATION AND TO BE GET US TO A POINT WHERE
19:55:33 WE CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING MITIGATION
19:55:40 THAT DOES NOT PUT OUR RESIDENTS OR THE -- PUBLIC NEARBY
19:55:44 UNDULY AT RISK SO WE ARE MEETING THE CRITERIA OF THE
19:55:47 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WITH THESE ACCEPTED PRACTICES.
19:55:51 WITH REGARD TO THE RAILCARS, WE CONFIRMED THAT THE RAIL
19:55:56 LINE IT SELF IS 20 TO 30 FEET FROM THE PAVEMENT.
19:56:00 AND THE RAILCARS ONLY GO THREE NIGHTS A WEEK, GENERALLY
19:56:03 BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 5 A.M., ABOUT FIVE TO TEN MILES
19:56:05 PER HOUR ALONG TYSON.
19:56:08 AND EVEN, AGAIN, LOWERING THAT RISK OF ANY SORT OF
19:56:13 EVENT HAPPENING ON TYSON, NOT EVEN FOR JUST OUR
19:56:17 PROPERTY FOR ANY PROPERTY THAT IS ALONG THE ROAD.
19:56:21 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS IF I COULD GET DR. NONY BACK
19:56:22 ON THE LINE.
19:56:27 HE WANTS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME
19:56:30 UP.
19:56:32 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME AGAIN?
19:56:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU.
19:56:34 >> GREAT.
19:56:36 SO I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS
19:56:39 AND I WANT TO SAY THINK THAT APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS
19:56:40 FROM THE PUBLIC.
19:56:44 PART OF MY JOB IS TO HELP PEOPLE UNDER STAND RISK.
19:56:46 AND I AM AN EXPERT IN IT, BUT NOT EVERYBODY IS.
19:56:49 AND I REALLY HOPE WE CAN COME -- PROVIDE SOME
19:56:52 INFORMATION THAT CAN GIVE PEOPLE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF
19:56:54 WHAT THESE ISSUES ARE HERE.
19:56:57 I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- ONE OF THE
19:56:59 COUNCILMEMBERS HAD MENTIONED WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE TANK
19:57:01 CARS IN A HURRICANE.
19:57:05 MY COMPANY RESPONDED TO NEW ORLEANS AFTER HURRICANE
19:57:05 KATRINA.
19:57:12 AND THE FIRST PLACE WE RESPONDED TO WAS A CSX RAIL YARD
19:57:13 IN NEW ORLEANS.
19:57:16 AND WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE GOT THERE WAS A LOT OF
19:57:18 FLOODING.
19:57:22 THERE WAS SOME DAMAGE TO THE RAIL OF SOME OF THE
19:57:27 RAILCARS INVOLVED, BUT WHAT WE FOUND WAS NO LEAK
19:57:31 CHEMICALS TO ANY SIGNIFICANT EXTENT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY
19:57:33 THESE RAILCARS ARE BUILT.
19:57:36 AND ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS MENTIONED, WHAT HAPPENS
19:57:39 IF A TANK CAR ROLLS OVER?
19:57:43 THE NEW 2009 REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT THE CHLORINE TANK
19:57:45 CARS IN PARTICULAR AND OTHER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS
19:57:51 CARRIED IN SIMILAR TYPE OF TANK CAR WILL HAVE A MORE
19:57:55 ROBUST VALVE PROTECTION OWL OF THE CAR AND THE ONLY
19:57:59 PLACE THAT THEY GO IN AND OUT OF THE VALVES IN THE TOP.
19:58:03 TINS 2009 -- HURRICANE KATRINA WAS 2005.
19:58:06 SINCE 2009, WE HAVE SEEN MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT SAFETY
19:58:09 WITH THESE TANK CARS.
19:58:13 IF THEY DO ROLL OVER WHICH IN THE BARTO, GEORGIA
19:58:18 DERAILMENT I RESPONDED TO, 13 TANK CARS PILED UP LIKE
19:58:23 YOU COULD IMAGINE LIKE A KID'S TRAIN SET.
19:58:26 CARS WERE PILED UP ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
19:58:28 THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
19:58:34 WE DIDN'T LOSE A SINGLE OUNCE OF CHLORINE AND ROLLED ON
19:58:34 THE SIDE.
19:58:36 SOME OF THEM STANDING ON END.
19:58:38 THEY ARE JUST VERY, VERY ROBUST CARS.
19:58:42 >> THAT WAS A HIGH-SPEED DERAILMENT.
19:58:47 NOT A LOW-SPEED AT A FACILITY KIND OF THING, CORRECT?
19:58:48 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
19:58:51 ABLE 50-MILE TRACT.
19:58:55 THAT GETS TO ANOTHER POINT THINK THAT WANT TO MAKE.
19:58:59 CSX AND THE OTHER CLASS 1 RAILROADS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW
19:59:05 TO TRANSPORT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND THEY DO IT ACROSS
19:59:07 THE COUNTRY AND DO IT VERY SAFELY.
19:59:09 WHEN THINGS GO WRONG.
19:59:12 LARGE QUANTITIES OF CHEMICALS IT CAN BE A LARGE
19:59:12 INCIDENT.
19:59:15 AND SO -- I THINK THE POINT BEING THERE IS NOT ANY WAY
19:59:20 FOR A HIGH-SPEED ACCIDENT TO HAPPEN IN THE CFI
19:59:21 FACILITY.
19:59:24 AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE A CATASTROPHIC RELEASE OF
19:59:29 AN ENTIRE TANK CAR OF CHLORINE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A
19:59:31 HIGH-SPEED INCIDENT.
19:59:33 I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY ON THE
19:59:36 COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT JUST --
19:59:39 SOMETHING THAT PRACTICALLY CANNOT HAPPEN AT C F I.
19:59:42 THE ISSUE THAT IS MORE LIKELY -- ALTHOUGH STILL VERY
19:59:46 RARE -- FOR THERE TO BE A SMALL RELEASE FROM A VALVE OR
19:59:48 HOSE THAT BREAKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
19:59:52 I WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE PROCEDURES THAT CFI HAS IN
19:59:55 PLACE TO PREVENT THOSE FROM BEING SIGNIFICANT RELEASES
19:59:59 THAT COULD GET OUTSIDE OF THEIR FACILITY.
20:00:03 THIS ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO THE COUNTY EPC WHO DID THEIR
20:00:07 INSPECTION OF THE CFI FACILITY IN 2007.
20:00:08 THEY WROTE A REPORT.
20:00:12 THEY FOUND THAT THEIR PROCEDURES THEY PUT IN PLACE TO
20:00:15 MITIGATE CHLORINE RELEASES WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE
20:00:19 ORDER THAT HAD BEEN PUT FORTH FOR THEM TO COMPLY WITH,
20:00:23 AND THAT THEIR ENGINEERS EVEN SAID WHAT WE HAVE DONE AT
20:00:28 CFI WILL PREVENT OR STOP FROM EVEN HAPPENING IN THE
20:00:31 FIRST PLACE SIGNIFICANT RELEASES OF CHLORINE FROM OUR
20:00:32 FACILITY.
20:00:39 THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS SINCE 2003.
20:00:42 >> JUST PUTTING DOWN -- THAT IS THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS
20:00:45 RESPONSE PLAN.
20:00:48 I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE -- WE FEEL WE HAVE MET OUR
20:00:49 BURDEN.
20:00:51 WE FEEL WE ADDRESSED EVERY POINT.
20:00:54 WE RESPONDED TO EVERY ISSUE.
20:00:56 WE HAVE MET EVERY REQUIREMENT.
20:01:02 WE -- WE -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY STAFF
20:01:07 HAVE CONFIRMED THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT.
20:01:11 WE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, EVERY -- I THINK EVERY CONCERN
20:01:14 AND HAVE SUPPORT FROM MR. STEADY AS WELL.
20:01:18 SO WE WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT.
20:01:19 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
20:01:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT WAS JUST ON THE OVERHEAD?
20:01:26 >> THE TAMPA BAY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS RESPONSE PLAN THAT
20:01:29 IS DONE BY THE LOCAL EMERGENCY PLANNING COMMITTEE THAT
20:01:32 EVERY PART OF FLORIDA HAS.
20:01:35 AND EVERY -- IT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE AREA AND
20:01:39 THEN FOR EACH COUNTY, IT PROVIDES INFORMATION -- A
20:01:51 LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HAZARDOUS FACILITIES IN THE AREA
20:01:54 AND EVERY SINGLE LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT -- AND AGENCY
20:01:56 WITHIN THAT GOVERNMENT INCLUDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT,
20:01:59 THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, THE BOARD OF
20:02:02 COUNTY COMMISSIONER, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE SCHOOL
20:02:06 BOARD AND WHAT ROLE THEY ALL PLAY IN EVERY SINGLE PART
20:02:09 OF THE -- DEALING WITH HAZARDOUS AND EMERGENCY
20:02:12 MANAGEMENT OF DANGEROUS FACILITIES.
20:02:15 AND CSI IS ONE OF THE FACILITIES THAT IS PART OF THAT
20:02:26 WHOLE PROCESS PROS WHEN MISS POYNOR SAYS WHAT ROLE DOES
20:02:31 TAMPA FIRE PLAY, THIS IS WHERE THAT WHOLE OVERSIGHT
20:02:33 COMES FROM AND COMES FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WHICH HAS
20:02:37 ITS OWN PROCESS AND DIVIDED UP AND EACH PART OF THE
20:02:41 CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE THEIR OWN ROLE TO PLAY SO
20:02:44 THERE IS -- NOT ONLY IS CSI HAVING ITS OWN FULL
20:02:51 NATIONAL STATE REGULATORY PROCESS FOR SAFETY, BUT THE
20:02:54 LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS ITS OWN PROCESSES FOR MAKING SURE
20:02:59 IT IS KEEPING ITS CITIZENS SAFE AND IN ADDITION AS PART
20:03:04 OF THIS PROCESS TONIGHT, WOODFIELD IS IMPLEMENTING ITS
20:03:08 OWN PROS THEY CEASE FOR SECURITY FOR ITS OWN RESIDENTS
20:03:13 WHERE NO OTHER PROJECT IN THE CITY REALLY DOING.
20:03:15 THE ONES DOWN THE STREET AREN'T DOING IT.
20:03:16 AND ALONG THE RAIL LINE.
20:03:18 ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
20:03:21 I APPRECIATE IT.
20:03:25 >>BILL CARLSON: OUR -- THE INSTRUCTIONS WE GOT FROM
20:03:27 LEGAL SAY WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS.
20:03:29 WE CAN -- YOU ALL WANT TO COME BACK.
20:03:31 I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION.
20:03:31 SORRY.
20:03:34 SORRY TO BRING YOU BACK AGAIN.
20:03:38 BUT OUR INSTRUCTIONS SAY THAT WE CAN ACCEPT THE
20:03:41 MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION, REJECT IT, OR WE CAN
20:03:43 SUGGEST A MODIFICATION.
20:03:46 AND SO JUST TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE BEFORE WE
20:03:51 CLOSE -- LEGAL CUT ME OFF IF YOU WANT, BUT IT SEEMS
20:03:55 LIKE YOU ARE PRETTY -- YOU ARE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT
20:03:59 THIS -- THIS CHLORINE PLANT WILL BE SHUT DOWN.
20:04:02 ANY WAY TO CONSIDER MAKE A CONDITION ON BOTH OPTIONS
20:04:05 THAT IT WILL BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED BEFORE IT GOES
20:04:08 FORWARD SO THAT THE -- SO THAT -- EVERYTHING WILL BE
20:04:10 APPROVED, BUT ON THE CONDITION -- ON THE ADDITIONAL
20:04:15 CONDITION THAT THE PLANT BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED?
20:04:17 >> I AM HESITANT TO DO THAT.
20:04:23 UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WHILE WE ARE HOPEFUL, THE PROCESS
20:04:28 FOR THAT SALE IS HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL.
20:04:34 AND WE ARE NOT GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SHALL ABLE
20:04:40 TO CONFIRM WITH SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS, NUMBER
20:04:43 ONE, FOR SURE GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE ARE HOPEFUL.
20:04:49 OR IT IS GOING TO IMMEDIATELY, WHICH WE ARE HOPEFUL,
20:04:50 AND WE DON'T KNOW.
20:04:52 IT COULD HAPPEN IN A YEAR.
20:04:55 IT COULD HAPPEN IN A MONTH OR A WEEK.
20:04:57 WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.
20:05:02 AND UNFORTUNATELY WE -- AS -- YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS, IT
20:05:07 IS VERY DIFFICULT TO -- FOR THEM TO KINDS OF DETERMINE
20:05:11 TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH SUCH A UNKNOWN OUT THERE.
20:05:16 AND JUST TO PUT OUR WHOLE BUSINESS IN THIS -- IN THE
20:05:19 HANDS OF THESE THIRD PARTIES AREN'T TELLING US WHAT IS
20:05:23 HAPPENING EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SORT OF HOPEFUL, IT'S --
20:05:27 IT'S JUST -- I THINK TOO RISKY TO DO THAT.
20:05:31 THAT IS WHY WE -- WE EXPRESSLY PUT FORWARD THESE
20:05:34 OPTIONS OF PUTTING TOGETHER ALL THIS MITIGATION ON THE
20:05:34 ONE HAND.
20:05:38 WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO -- AND HOPEFUL THAT THEY DO
20:05:41 PROCEED TO SELL, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND ALL
20:05:44 THIS EXTRA MONEY AND ALL THIS EXTRA WORK AND EFFORT.
20:05:47 AND HONESTLY, WE ARE HAVING TO RESOLVE WITH THE
20:05:50 PROPERTY TO THE WEST TO GET THAT SECONDARY ACCESS.
20:05:53 IT'S A HUGE PAIN TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
20:05:54 AND WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO.
20:05:58 BUT IT IS JUST TOO RISKY FOR US.
20:06:00 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I CAN ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION AND
20:06:03 LEGAL, CUT ME OFF IF I AM NOT INTERPRETING THIS RIGHT.
20:06:05 SOMETHING -- IF WE MADE A CONDITION, SOMETHING THAT A
20:06:09 CLIENT WOULD WANT THAT WE COULD -- THAT WE COULD OFFER
20:06:12 TO PUT SOMETHING IN BUT PUT THAT CONDITION IN THAT WILL
20:06:14 TAKE SOMETHING OUT?
20:06:19 >> I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND.
20:06:20 >>CATE WELLS: CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
20:06:25 IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ARE GOING THIS IS
20:06:27 TRY TO NEGOTIATE TERMS.
20:06:31 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW DO WE -- WHAT DOES "MODIFY" MEAN?
20:06:36 HOW DO WE NEGOTIATE A MODIFICATION, UNILATERALLY.
20:06:38 >>CATE WELLS: AN INTERESTING OPTION.
20:06:42 AN OPTION THAT IS IN THE FLUEDRA ACT.
20:06:47 AND NOT ONE THAT I HAVE SEEN THIS COUNCIL PURSUE.
20:06:51 MOST OF THE -- SINCE I RETURNED TO THE CITY, WHEN WE
20:06:54 HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT SETTLEMENT PROCESS, THE PARTIES
20:06:58 HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL EVERY TIME IN PRESENTING A
20:07:01 SETTLEMENT TO THIS CITY COUNCIL THAT HAS BEEN FOUND
20:07:02 ACCEPTABLE.
20:07:05 AND I THINK IT IS BECAUSE THE SETTLEMENTS REALLY FOCUS
20:07:08 ON THE BASIS FOR THE ORIGINAL DENIALS.
20:07:13 A CONDITION HERE -- I THINK IF BASED ON THE TESTIMONY
20:07:16 YOU HEARD FROM THEIR EXPERT, IF YOU FELT ADDITIONAL
20:07:23 MITIGATION WAS REQUIRED WITH REGARD TO ALTERNATIVE SITE
20:07:27 PLAN NUMBER 1, WHERE CHEMICAL FORMULATORS REMAIN IN
20:07:30 PLAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE TYPE OF MODIFICATION
20:07:33 THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO
20:07:35 SEE IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE.
20:07:38 BUT TO SUGGEST THAT IF YOU DO THIS, WE DO THAT.
20:07:41 THAT TYPE OF NEGOTIATION, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT
20:07:45 THE STATUTE CONTEMPLATED IN THE WAY OF MODIFICATION.
20:07:49 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
20:07:51 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
20:07:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
20:07:56 >> I AM SORRY.
20:07:59 THIS MAY BE PRESUMPTUOUS, BUT I WAS TOLD THIS IS THE
20:08:01 RIGHT TIME.
20:08:05 BECAUSE OF THE -- LIKE I EXPLAINED, THE ISSUE THAT WE
20:08:08 HAVE WITH THE MULTIPLE PARTIES IS WE ARE DEALING WITH
20:08:11 RESOLVING ALL THESE THINGS AND ENSURING WE CAN PROVIDE
20:08:14 THE ACCESS AND THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD ASK JUST
20:08:20 IF YOU ARE SO GOOD AS TO GRANT THIS APPROVAL TONIGHT,
20:08:22 WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR EXTRA TIME UNTIL SECOND READING
20:08:29 SO WE CAN WORK ON ENSURING THAT EVERYTHING IS TIED UP
20:08:32 AND EVERYTHING RESOLVED SO WE CAN CONTINUE FORWARD AND
20:08:35 HAVE AN EXTENDED SECOND READING TIME.
20:08:37 SO, THANK YOU.
20:08:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
20:08:39 >> SO MOVED.
20:08:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO KNOW WHAT EXTRA TIME
20:08:43 MEANS?
20:08:45 >> LIKE TO THE -- TO THE FOLLOWING --
20:08:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I NEVER HEARD OF THAT --
20:08:50 >> JUST TO THE FOLLOWING SECOND READING, MAY 5 INSTEAD
20:08:51 OF ENDS OF APRIL.
20:08:53 JUST AN FEDERAL EXTRA WEEK OR TWO.
20:08:55 THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING.
20:08:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT TWO YEARS
20:08:58 FROM NOW?
20:08:59 >> NO.
20:09:03 WE COULD WAIT FOR CFI TO CLOSE, I THINK, BUT, NO.
20:09:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
20:09:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
20:09:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.
20:09:10 MOVE TO CLOSE.
20:09:12 ALL IN FAVOR.
20:09:14 MOTION GRANTED.
20:09:15 MR. MANISCALCO.
20:09:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
20:09:24 HOPEFULLY I DO THAT RIGHT BECAUSE I HEARD AND SAW
20:09:25 ALTERNATIVES ONE AND TWO.
20:09:29 CAN THEY BE INCLUDED TOGETHER OR I CHOOSE ONE OR THE
20:09:30 OTHER.
20:09:33 I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S
20:09:37 RECOMMENDATION AFTER HEARING ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE AND
20:09:41 TESTIMONY OVER THE LAST TWO HOURS.
20:09:44 I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S
20:09:47 RECOMMENDATION, PROCEED TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATION
20:09:56 WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE ALTERNATIVES ONE AND TWO.
20:10:01 THEN THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST MOTION.
20:10:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE A SECOND.
20:10:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL SECOND IT.
20:10:06 WE HAVE ONE AND TWO.
20:10:08 THE FIRST ONE IS TO ACCEPT THE MAGISTRATE'S
20:10:11 RECOMMENDATION AND THE REPORT, AM I CORRECT?
20:10:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
20:10:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT IS THE ONE ON THE FLOOR NOW.
20:10:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED.
20:10:19 ROLL CALL.
20:10:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
20:10:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. VIERA?
20:10:27 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:10:30 I AM SORRY -- YES, EXCUSE ME.
20:10:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
20:10:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
20:10:37 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
20:10:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS.
20:10:48 SOMETIMES OFF DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
20:10:52 AND WHAT I SEE HERE, WE HAVE A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
20:10:56 BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES, THIS IS GOING
20:11:01 TO HAPPEN.
20:11:03 THE VOTES ALREADY THERE.
20:11:05 SO MY VOTE DOESN'T MATTER AT THIS POINT, BUT I WILL LET
20:11:09 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE
20:11:13 SITUATIONS, IT IS UNFORTUNATE TO OUR CITIZENS
20:11:15 SOMETIMES.
20:11:18 BUT I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES FOR THE PROJECT
20:11:22 BECAUSE I JUST KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT IS
20:11:23 GOING TO HAPPEN.
20:11:26 SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES.
20:11:30 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND CARLSON VOTING
20:11:30 NO.
20:11:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE SECOND PART.
20:11:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND PART.
20:11:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE SECOND PART TO THIS IS THE
20:11:37 MOTION TO IMPLEMENT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE
20:11:38 RECOMMENDATION.
20:11:41 THIS WILL BE TO READ THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE, IS THAT
20:11:42 CORRECT?
20:11:44 OKAY.
20:11:49 SO I -- I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
20:11:52 READING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE ADOPTED PURSUANT TO
20:11:56 SECTION 70.51, FLORIDA STATUTES ACCEPTING A SPECIAL
20:11:58 MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION AND REZONING
20:12:03 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 501 W. TYSON AVENUE
20:12:05 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY
20:12:08 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
20:12:12 CLASSIFICATION IH, INDUSTRIAL HEAVY, TO PD, PLANNED
20:12:17 DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL SALES,
20:12:21 SPECIALTY GOODS, CONVENIENCE GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS,
20:12:24 MARINA PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
20:12:27 MAY I SAY THAT THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH LAND USE
20:12:32 POLICY 7.1.5.
20:12:37 AND ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN OF BURDEN THROUGH DESIGN AND
20:12:40 PRACTICES THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE PROPOSED USE WILL
20:12:44 NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK FOR POTENTIAL HAZARDS ASSOCIATED
20:12:46 WITH THE ABUTTING PROPERTY.
20:12:49 WE HEARD FROM THE DOCTOR, AS A TOXICOLOGIST AND THE
20:12:52 EVIDENCE THAT HE AND TESTIMONY HE PROVIDED.
20:12:57 THE DENSITY PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXCEED
20:13:00 THE DENSITY OF THE LAND USE CATEGORY.
20:13:03 WE HEARD A REDUCTION FROM WHAT WE HEARD THE LAST TIME
20:13:06 REDUCTION IN UNITS AND COMPATIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT
20:13:10 PATTERN APPROVED FOR OTHER PARCELS ON RATTLESNAKE
20:13:11 POINT.
20:13:17 AND COMPLIANCE WITH 27-136, PURPOSE OF THE SITE PLAN
20:13:19 CONTROLLED DISTRICT.
20:13:20 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN
20:13:23 PROMOTES OR ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT THAT IS APPROPRIATE
20:13:26 AND LOCATION, CHARACTER AND COMPATIBILITY.
20:13:28 WE HAVE SEEN THAT WITH THE SURROUNDING PARCELS.
20:13:32 PROPOSED USE PROMOTES THE EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE USE
20:13:34 OF LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
20:13:38 THIS ALSO INCLUDES ALL WAIVERS IN COMPLIANCE IN SECTION
20:13:41 27-1394.
20:13:44 AND I WILL THROW IN THERE, THE EXTRA TIME FOR SECOND
20:13:48 READING THAT WAS REQUESTED IN ORDER TO WORK OUT ANY
20:13:52 OTHER KINKS AND TIE UP LOOSE ENDS FOR MAY 5 INSTEAD OF
20:13:55 THE TRADITIONAL NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE HAVE.
20:14:00 THAT IS MY MOTION.
20:14:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE REVISION SHEET BETWEEN FIRST AND
20:14:04 SECOND READING.
20:14:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THE REVISION SHEET.
20:14:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I ASK UNDER --
20:14:13 [INAUDIBLE]
20:14:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST FOR CLARITY, THE DESIGN OF
20:14:17 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS UNIQUE AND THEREFORE IN
20:14:19 NEED OF WAIVERS.
20:14:24 WE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY AND THE -- THE MEDIATION IN
20:14:27 BETWEEN TO GET TO THAT POINT.
20:14:29 THE REQUESTED WAIVER WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE
20:14:33 OR INJURY THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS WHOSE PROPERTY WILL BE
20:14:35 AFFECTED WHICH THE WAIVER.
20:14:37 WE HEARD ALL THE EVIDENCE THERE.
20:14:39 AGAIN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH CHEMICAL
20:14:41 FORMULATORS.
20:14:42 IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT MONTH.
20:14:44 IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT YEAR.
20:14:48 WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE AS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED
20:14:49 THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL.
20:14:52 SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
20:14:56 PERHAPS THIS ACTS AS A CATALYST FOR, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT
20:14:57 ON THAT.
20:15:01 AND I THINK I HAVE COVERED EVERYTHING.
20:15:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
20:15:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
20:15:04 DISCUSSION.
20:15:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN, THE LAST TIME
20:15:15 WE HEARD THIS CASE, MY DECISION WAS BASED ON THE ENTRANCE AND
20:15:17 EXIT WITH THE RAIL THERE.
20:15:21 NOW, MR. SHELBY, IF I OVERSTEP MY BOUNDS, PLEASE TELL
20:15:22 ME.
20:15:28 YEARS AGO, THIS WAS INDUSTRIAL.
20:15:33 YOU HAD THE MARINA UP THERE, UNDERWRITERS LABORATORY
20:15:38 AND OTHER INDUSTRIAL PLACES.
20:15:41 BUT NONE OF THEM HAD THE EFFECT THAT THIS CHLORINE
20:15:43 PLANT HAD.
20:15:47 I AM NOT AGAINST DEVELOPING RATTLESNAKE POINT.
20:15:52 BUT MY CONCERN STILL IS THAT CHLORINE PLANT.
20:15:55 LIFE WOULD BE SO MUCH EASIER IF IT WASN'T THERE.
20:15:59 SO I WANT TO YOU UNDERSTAND I AM NOT AGAINST THE
20:16:00 DEVELOPMENT.
20:16:05 MY CONCERNS ARE THE EFFECT THAT THAT PLANT MAY BE --
20:16:10 MAYBE HAVE ON THE RESIDENTS AROUND IT.
20:16:14 AND, THEREFORE, THAT IS THE BASIS OF MY VOTE.
20:16:17 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
20:16:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY?
20:16:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST -- JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, AND
20:16:26 I HAVE REVIEWED ROBERT RULES ON THIS.
20:16:29 DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SHOULD TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE
20:16:29 VOTE.
20:16:33 AND IF YOU CAN, COUNCIL, I WOULD APPRECIATE FOR FUTURE
20:16:36 IF YOU JUST NOT MAKE COMMENTS DURING THE VOTE AND STOP
20:16:40 THE PROCESS DURING THE VOTE.
20:16:43 SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY AND TAKE THE VOTE IN SEQUENCE
20:16:44 PLEASE.
20:16:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: VERY GOOD, SIR.
20:16:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
20:16:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TAKE THE VOTE.
20:16:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
20:16:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
20:16:54 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
20:17:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
20:17:02 >>LUIS VIERA: SORRY, YES.
20:17:02 SORRY.
20:17:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
20:17:07 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND CARLSON VOTE
20:17:09 NOTHING.
20:17:21 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION MAY 5, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
20:17:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 6.
20:17:26 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
20:17:27 COORDINATION.
20:17:30 REZ 21-115.
20:17:37 FOR PROPOSED REZONING AT 1502 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE --
20:17:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
20:17:41 I DON'T KNOW IF CCTV IS INVOLVED.
20:17:43 BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
20:17:46 TRY IT AGAIN.
20:17:47 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: THANK YOU.
20:17:49 CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
20:17:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST BARELY.
20:17:52 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ZAIN HUSSEIN,
20:17:54 LANDS DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
20:17:58 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, CASE REZ-21-115.
20:18:06 PROPOSED REZONING AT 1502 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE.
20:18:06 1314, 1312, 1310, 1308, 1306, 1304, 1302 EAST KAY
20:18:16 STREET AS WELL AS 801, 803, 805, 807, 809, 811 E 3RD
20:18:23 AVE.
20:18:30 PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16 AND YC-5 TO PD RESIDENTIAL
20:18:31 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
20:18:32 OFFICE.
20:18:34 I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING
20:18:38 COMMISSION.
20:18:39 >>JENNIFER MALONE: GOOD EVENING.
20:18:41 GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
20:18:43 JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
20:18:51 I WILL SHARE SCREEN WHENEVER I HAVE PERMISSION.
20:18:56 AS ZAIN STATED BEFORE, REZ 21-115.
20:18:59 WE ARE IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT IN THE
20:19:01 CENTRAL PARK URBAN VILLAGE.
20:19:04 SO WE ARE LOCATED ON NEBRASKA AVENUE.
20:19:07 I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE, SO I WILL
20:19:09 BE BRIEF IN THE AERIAL.
20:19:12 EVERYBODY HAS A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THIS
20:19:15 IS AND THE ENCORE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH AND TAMPA
20:19:17 PARK APARTMENTS TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.
20:19:21 THE FUTURE LAND USE IS URBAN MIXED USE-60.
20:19:24 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, REGIONAL MIXED USE-100.
20:19:27 TO THE EAST IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
20:19:31 THE -- THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WANT MIXED USE
20:19:31 CORRIDOR.
20:19:34 I UNDERSTAND THIS IS BEFORE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY.
20:19:37 AND I JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT BETWEEN
20:19:41 THE LAST SITE PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN THAT THE PLANNING
20:19:46 COMMISSION REVIEWED, THE REPORTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF
20:19:49 YOU TODAY, WE AGREED -- WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE
20:19:52 CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE, PRIMARILY ADDING
20:19:56 BUILDING ENTRANCES THAT ARE ORIENTED TOWARD.
20:19:59 AND THEY CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK ALONG NORTH NEBRASKA
20:20:00 AVENUE.
20:20:03 WE FOUND IN WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE CENTER
20:20:07 CORRIDORS AND POLICIES AND THAT THE PEDESTRIAN CAN
20:20:10 ACCESS TRANSIT AND NAVIGATE THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
20:20:13 WE ALSO FIND THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT -- THAT THE
20:20:18 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES NEW HOUSING ON PARCELS TO
20:20:23 ENSURE THERE IS AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING TO MEET
20:20:26 TAMPA'S PRESENT GROWING POPULATION AND THIS WILL HELP
20:20:28 HOUSING CHOICES.
20:20:31 RESIDENTIAL INFILL PATTERN CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY
20:20:34 FORM STRATEGY AND PLANNING COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE AND
20:20:37 FIND ARE THE HE ADVISED SITE PLAN WITH THE PEDESTRIAN
20:20:40 ENTRANCES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED CONSISTENT WITH
20:20:41 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
20:20:44 THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
20:20:45 THANK YOU.
20:20:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING FOR MISS MALONE?
20:20:53 ALL RIGHT, BACK TO YOU, ZAIN, LIFT YOUR MICROPHONE TO
20:20:54 YOUR MOUTH.
20:20:57 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: CAN YOU HEAR ME PRETTY WELL?
20:20:59 GUDES LITTLE BIT BETTER.
20:21:01 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: ZAIN HUSSEIN, LANDS DEVELOPMENT
20:21:02 COORDINATION.
20:21:04 21-115.
20:21:08 THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE IS MARK BENTLEY PROP
20:21:13 POSED REZONE FROM YC-5 AND RM-16 TO PD, PLANNED
20:21:15 DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND
20:21:19 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS REQUESTING EIGHT
20:21:21 WAIVERS, MOSTLY TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING
20:21:24 AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
20:21:27 FIRST WAIVER TO REQUEST TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC
20:21:30 ACCESS TO A LOCAL STREET NORTH MITCHELL AVENUE AND EAST
20:21:31 KAY STREET.
20:21:34 THE SECOND WAIVER TO REQUEST TO ALLOW A REDUCTION IN
20:21:37 WIDTH FROM 24 FEET TO 22 FEET.
20:21:41 THIRD WAIVER, REQUEST NORTH NEBRASKA SPECIAL STREET
20:21:45 SETBACK OF 54 FEET TO 42 FEET FOR ANY BUILDING OR
20:21:47 STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.
20:21:50 SPECIAL SETBACK LINE IS MEASURED FROM THE CENTER LINE
20:21:52 OF THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY.
20:21:55 THE FOURTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED
20:21:59 PARKING FROM 114 SPACES TO 96 SPACES.
20:22:02 THIS IS A 16% REDUCTION.
20:22:05 FIFTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED TO REQUEST TO REDUCE THE
20:22:09 REQUIRED 50% RETENTION FOR NONWOODED LOT OVER ONE ACRE
20:22:11 TO 19% RETENTION.
20:22:15 SIXTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED IS TO REQUEST TO REMOVE ONE
20:22:21 NONHAZARDOUS GRAND LAUREL OAK OF 33 INCHES DEVIATION
20:22:23 AND RATED C 6.
20:22:28 SEVENTH WAIVER, TO REQUEST TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED 350
20:22:33 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE PER UNIT TO 313 SQUARE FEET.
20:22:36 THE REDUCTION OF GREEN SPACE IS SUBJECT TO THE
20:22:41 LANDSCAPE IN LIEU FEES THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AT THE
20:22:43 TIME OF PERMITTING.
20:22:50 EIGHTH WAIVER, TO REQUEST THE 8-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER
20:22:54 TO ZERO FEET ALONG 3RD AVENUE.
20:22:56 I WILL COME TO THE AERIAL OF THE PARCEL YOU SEE
20:22:58 OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
20:23:03 NOW TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST, YOU WILL HAVE PD
20:23:04 ZONING.
20:23:07 AND THESE ARE OFFICE USES.
20:23:10 NOT NORTH, THE GTE BUILDING, AND TO THE WEST YOU WILL
20:23:13 HAVE THE FEEDING MINISTRIES BUILDING.
20:23:16 IF YOU COME HERE TO THE EAST, YOU WILL SEE A -- THE
20:23:21 LIBRARY, THE ROBERT SAUNDERS LABOR, WHICH IS ZONED CG.
20:23:23 AND ADD TO THE SOUTH, YOU WILL HAVE A CHURCH.
20:23:27 AND ALSO YOU WILL HAVE THE ENCORE RESIDENTIAL
20:23:30 MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS HERE TO THE SOUTH.
20:23:34 AND THOSE ARE ZONED RM-24.
20:23:38 NOW THE DEVELOPMENT IF WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN.
20:23:41 THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IS FOR 40 RESIDENTIAL
20:23:45 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND BUSINESS OFFICE USES.
20:23:50 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS A LOT AREA OF 155,70 8
20:23:51 SQUARE FEET.
20:23:55 AND LOCATED ALONG NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUES, NORTH
20:23:57 GOVERNOR STREET AND EAST KAY STREET.
20:24:01 THE PRESENT USE OF THE LAND IS VACANT AND ALSO
20:24:02 COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
20:24:08 THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL SPACE IS 6250 SQUARE FEET AND
20:24:15 PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SPACE IS 35,308 SQUARE FEET.
20:24:19 AS STATED IN THE WAIVERS, THE TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING
20:24:21 IS 114 SPACES.
20:24:23 AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 96.
20:24:28 SO ASKING FOR A WAIVER OF 16% REDUCTION.
20:24:32 VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE SITE OFF OF EAST KAY STREET.
20:24:35 AS I WENT ON THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE VACANT PORTION.
20:24:40 AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE THAT ROBERT SAUNDERS LIBRARY TO
20:24:44 THE NORTHEAST OF THE SITE.
20:24:47 AS YOU WILL SEE THE OFFICE SPACE FEEDING MINISTRIES TO
20:24:51 THE WEST.
20:24:54 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE THE ENCORE
20:24:59 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY BUILDING.
20:25:01 AND TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THE
20:25:08 LIBRARY AND ALSO COUNTY-OWNED SPACES.
20:25:10 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
20:25:12 THE APPLICATION AND FINDS THE OVERALL REQUEST
20:25:15 INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT
20:25:18 CODE, THIS IS DUE TO THE PREPARATION PLANNING AND
20:25:19 NATURAL RESOURCES WAIVER.
20:25:22 MODIFICATION OF THE SITE PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BY THE
20:25:26 APPLICANT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING AS STATED ON
20:25:27 THE REVISION SHEET.
20:25:30 PLEASE BE AWARE EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES TO THE SITE
20:25:33 PLAN, THE CASE WILL STILL BE FOUND OVERALL
20:25:34 INCONSISTENT.
20:25:35 THANK YOU.
20:25:38 I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I HAVE MY
20:25:40 TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING STAFF AND NATURAL RESOURCES
20:25:43 STAFF ON STANDBY OPINION.
20:25:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?
20:26:03 ALL RIGHT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
20:26:05 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
20:26:09 MICHAEL MINCBERG, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
20:26:12 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
20:26:16 OUR COMPANY SITE DEVELOPMENT HAS PROUDLY BEEN BASED IN
20:26:20 YBOR FOR TEN YEARS AND ADDED VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY
20:26:23 WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION PROJECTS.
20:26:26 I WANT TO POINT OUT THE LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT IS
20:26:30 SANDWICHED BETWEEN THREE LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENTS.
20:26:36 THE GTE CREDIT UNION, GAS WORX AND ENCORE.
20:26:40 ENCORE AND GAS WORX HAVE BEEN PLANNED AS PRIMARILY
20:26:44 RENTAL DEVELOPMENTS, DIFFERENT FROM OURS WHICH IS
20:26:58 OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE HOMEOWNERSHIP.
20:27:05 THERE ARE SOME VERY IMPORTANT BENEFITS TO THIS PROJECT.
20:27:09 AS I MENTIONED IT CREATES A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY FOR
20:27:10 HOME OWNERSHIP.
20:27:15 VERY LITTLE HOME OWNERSHIP IN YBOR CITY WHICH IS AN
20:27:18 IMPORTANT PART TO THE WORK-PLAY NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:27:23 WE ARE REPOSITIONING A 100-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT IS IN
20:27:26 TERRIBLE SHAPE AND THIS IS NOT REQUIRED BUT BEING
20:27:29 ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT TO THE
20:27:32 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IMPORTANT TO THE CHARACTER OF
20:27:32 THE COMMUNITY AND TO US.
20:27:36 ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM
20:27:40 TO RETAIN THREE GRAND TREES AND HELP KEEP THE TREE
20:27:41 CANOPY.
20:27:45 LASTLY, THIS IMPROVES VACANT LAND THAT RIGHT NOW IS
20:27:48 NOT A SAFE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY AND CREATES CONNECTIVITY
20:27:56 BETWEEN THE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS CURRENTLY THERE.
20:28:00 THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE HARDSHIPS THAT CREATE A NEED FOR
20:28:01 A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HERE.
20:28:05 THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL, NARROW BLOCK.
20:28:08 AND WE ARE BEING PENALIZED FOR RETAINING THE
20:28:11 100-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE AND DEVELOPING A MIXED USE
20:28:12 PROJECT.
20:28:17 ONE OF THOSE QUIRKY ISSUES IN THE CODE OF COMP PLAN
20:28:20 ENCOURAGING MIXED USED WITHIN A CATEGORY.
20:28:22 THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED
20:28:26 THAT RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT TREES THAT WE HAVE WORKED
20:28:32 HARD TO DESIGN AROUND.
20:28:36 I WANT TO POINT OUT HOW CLOSE THIS IS TO THE YBOR
20:28:37 HISTORIC DISTRICT.
20:28:41 THAT RED LINE IS THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT LINE.
20:28:44 AND IF WE WERE WITHIN THERE, WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH MORE
20:28:51 LENIENT ZONING CODE AND REDUCE THE NEED FOR WAIVERS.
20:28:55 THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE 100-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT
20:28:59 SITS THERE TODAY.
20:29:01 AS YOU CAN SEE IT IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
20:29:05 AND TWO OF -- TWO OF OUR WAIVERS JUST TO POINT OUT
20:29:10 THERE, ONE IS GETTING VEHICULAR ACCESS ON THE
20:29:13 COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OF NEBRASKA IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE
20:29:15 THE BUILDING TAKES ALL OF THAT UP.
20:29:18 AND SECONDLY, IT WOULD BE MEETING THE SETBACK.
20:29:20 THE BUILDING IS ALREADY THERE.
20:29:23 SO WE WOULD LOSE AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER OF THE
20:29:26 COMMUNITY TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND FRANKLY, IT
20:29:29 WOULD MAKE MORE ECONOMIC SENSE FOR ME TO TAKE THAT
20:29:29 BUILDING DOWN.
20:29:32 I COULD PUT SIX MORE UNITS THERE WHICH WILL MAKE MORE
20:29:35 MONEY, BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE PROJECT AND
20:29:40 TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:29:45 THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE
20:29:46 PROPERTY AT THE BOTTOM.
20:29:50 AND THEN A RENDERING OF WHAT WE PLAN TO DO TO REALLY
20:29:56 BRING IT BACK TO ITS -- IT'S ORIGINAL GLORY.
20:29:57 SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS AERIAL IS TO SHOW YOU HOW INITIALLY
20:29:59 NARROW THIS BLOCK IS.
20:30:01 IT'S REALLY A LEFTOVER PIECE OF THE GTE DEVELOPMENT THERE,
20:30:06 WHICH IS REALLY WHAT'S CREATED THIS HARDSHIP FOR US.
20:30:11 IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WIDTH OF THE BLOCK TO THE SOUTH.
20:30:14 IT JUST MAKES IT INCREDIBLY HARD TO DEVELOP IN THE COVID
20:30:21 ENVIRONMENT.
20:30:21 I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE CITY ALLOWED GTE TO VACATE
20:30:25 THIRD AVENUE HERE, AND TO DO ALL OF THAT LAND AND THIS ROAD
20:30:29 HERE WHERE IT'S MADE A PRIVATE ACCESS, SO IT LIMITED OUR
20:30:34 ACCESS ITEMS AGAIN CREATING A HARDSHIP ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
20:30:47 AS A LOCAL DEVELOPER WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE
20:30:50 YBOR RENAISSANCE AND I VALUE OUR COMMUNITY.
20:30:54 I WANT TO THE SAY THANK YOU AND HAND IT OVER TO OUR COUNSEL
20:30:57 MARK BENTLEY.
20:30:58 >> MARK BENTLEY: I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE AND FILE
20:31:03 LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
20:31:07 MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA 32602,
20:31:16 REPRESENTING SYKES DEVELOPMENT.
20:31:18 YOU KNOW, NOT WITHSTANDING THE OVERALL FINDING OF
20:31:20 INCONSISTENCY BY STAFF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT ON
20:31:25 PARAGRAPH 2 WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE CRITERIA FOR THE
20:31:29 PURPOSE OF THE PD, PROPOSED USE OF ZONING TO SINGLE-FAMILY
20:31:32 ATTACHED HOMES AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICES COMPATIBLE
20:31:34 WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND THEY IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE
20:31:38 USES.
20:31:38 SO THE REAL CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE THESE CODES IN
20:31:42 THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT ARE TYPICALLY USED OR USED OFTEN IN
20:31:47 LIKE A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT LIKE TAMPA PALMS OR HUNTER'S
20:31:50 GREEN WHERE THE CODE REQUIRES 350 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE
20:31:56 FOR A UNIT.
20:31:56 SO TO BUILD A BIG APARTMENT PROJECT LIKE HUNTER'S GREEN IS
20:32:00 NOT MUCH OF A CHALLENGE BUT WHEN YOU GET THESE SMALL LIKE
20:32:03 URBAN IN-FILL SITES AND TRY TO APPLY ALL THESE DIFFERENT
20:32:06 CODES, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THIS.
20:32:10 THAT'S WHERE THE WAIVERS COME IN. YOU WILL SEE NOT
20:32:12 WITHSTANDING THE NUMBER, WE REDUCED THOSE, AND YOU WILL
20:32:16 UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE, I THINK MIKE WAS TRYING TO TELL
20:32:19 YOU HERE.
20:32:20 THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO POINT OUT LIKE MIKE SAID, CAN WE GO
20:32:25 TO THE -- THERE WE ARE.
20:32:27 THIS IS THIRD AVENUE.
20:32:29 NEEDS TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WEST OVER TO GOVERNOR,
20:32:32 AND THAT ROAD IS GONE.
20:32:36 AND THIS BECAME PRIVATE ACCESS FOR GTE.
20:32:39 SO NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING A ROAD TO BUILD UP AGAINST, THE
20:32:43 ROAD HAS TO BE CREATED INTERNALLY TO THE PROJECT, OKAY?
20:32:48 SO THAT'S AN OBSTACLE THERE.
20:32:50 THAT JUST CREATES KIND OF A HARDSHIP.
20:32:53 NOW, THIS BUILDING MIKE HAD MENTIONED IS ROUGHLY 6,000
20:32:57 SQUARE FEET, AND THE WAY YOUR CODE IS, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S
20:33:03 NEBRASKA AVENUE SETBACK OF 54 FEET, OKAY, AND THAT WAS
20:33:07 ENACTED A LONG TIME AGO.
20:33:09 AND BUT THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT AT 42 FEET.
20:33:14 SO NOW WE NEED A WAIVER OF 12 FEET JUST TO MAINTAIN A SEMI
20:33:19 HISTORIC BUILDING.
20:33:20 AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT MIKE INTENDS TO DO WITH THE BUILDING.
20:33:24 I THINK HE SHOWED YOU THAT.
20:33:25 SO TO GET TO THIS BUILDING, AND HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, YOU
20:33:34 HAVE TO COME IN FROM A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
20:33:39 SO THERE'S ANOTHER WAIVER, OKAY?
20:33:42 SO THESE LITTLE THINGS START PILING UP.
20:33:44 NOT WITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THESE ARE LEGAL
20:33:47 NONCONFORMITIES, AND NOW WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING -- AND
20:33:54 THE RATIO WAS HIGHER THE LAST TIME AROUND, BUT AS OF THE
20:33:59 LAST TWO DAYS WE HAVE WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY WHERE THE
20:34:02 CITY SAID PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, BUSINESS OFFICE, ONLY HAS A
20:34:05 RATIO OF ONE SPACE PER THOUSAND.
20:34:08 SO THE OVERALL PROJECT, MIKE COULD HAVE BUILT 214 UNITS HERE
20:34:12 AND HE'S BUILDING 40 PLUS [DISTORTION] -- PARKING REQUIRED
20:34:20 IS 90 FOR RESIDENTIAL AND SIX SPACES FOR THIS BUILDING, THE
20:34:25 OLD BUILDING.
20:34:26 SO WE HAVE 96 SPACES ON-SITE.
20:34:30 WE DON'T NEED A PARKING WAIVER ANYMORE.
20:34:32 THAT WAIVER IS GONE, OKAY.
20:34:35 AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT TO COUNCIL THAT THIS IS
20:34:41 PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY I'M POINTING TO, SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
20:34:46 THERE YOU GO.
20:34:47 AND THERE'S TEN SPACES HERE.
20:34:48 THOSE ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WE CAN'T COUNT
20:34:50 THOSE TOWARD OUR REQUIRED PARKING UNDER THE CODE, OKAY.
20:34:54 BUT REALISTICALLY, WHO IS GOING TO USE THOSE TEN SPACES.
20:34:59 NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER 10.
20:35:01 NOW WE HAVE 116 SPACES.
20:35:03 SO PARKING REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE.
20:35:05 NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THESE OTHER WAIVERS, THERE IS A
20:35:10 REQUIREMENT FOR OPEN SPACES, 350 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, AND
20:35:15 WE ARE PROVIDING 313.
20:35:17 LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE HAD 304.
20:35:20 NOW WE ARE UP TO 90%, WHICH IS PRETTY DARN GOOD FOR AN URBAN
20:35:25 IN-FILL PROJECT.
20:35:26 AND THEN I WILL TELL YOU HOW WE OFFSET THAT.
20:35:30 ALSO, WE ARE SAVING THREE GRAND TREES SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A
20:35:34 CREDIT IN THE CREDIT BANK, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR A
20:35:38 PROJECT BEING PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
20:35:41 ALSO, WITH THE SHORTAGE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN TERMS OF
20:35:44 THE GREEN SPACE, THE 313 VERSUS HE, WE ARE PAYING A FEE IN
20:35:52 LIEU TO THE CITY'S FUND.
20:35:54 WE ALSO SEE THE 20% DUA BY PROVIDING 6,120 SQUARE FEET WHEN
20:36:01 ONLY 3900 SQUARE FEET ARE REQUIRED.
20:36:04 SO WE ARE PROVIDING 2200 MORE SQUARE FEET OF VEHICULAR USE
20:36:09 AREA AT 35%, MORE THAN REQUIRED BY THE CODE, SO THAT 2,000
20:36:16 OFFSETS THE, I GUESS, ROUGHLY 2,000 OR 1800 WE ARE SHORT ON
20:36:21 THE OVERALL GREEN SPACE.
20:36:23 SO I THINK BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITUATION, THAT
20:36:30 OFFSETS THAT.
20:36:32 I SPOKE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF ST. PETER CLAVER YESTERDAY AND
20:36:41 SHE HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH IT. WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM
20:36:42 THE COMMUNITY.
20:36:43 AS MIKE MENTIONED WE ARE JUST ON THE FRINGE OF THE HISTORIC
20:36:46 DISTRICT.
20:36:46 WE HAD SENT IT OVER TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO TAKE A LOOK
20:36:52 AT IT AND THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS, AND ACTUALLY THEY ARE VERY
20:36:55 ENTHUSED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO STEP UP
20:37:00 TO THE PLATE AND REHAB ONE OF THESE OLD BUILDINGS WITHOUT
20:37:03 SOMEONE PUTTING A GUN TO HIS HEAD.
20:37:05 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MIKE DOES IN YBOR CITY.
20:37:07 IF YOU HAVE SEEN ANY OF THINKS PROJECTS.
20:37:09 SO I THINK WE WHITTLED DOWN THE WAIVERS TO THE EXTENT WE
20:37:13 REASONABLY COULD.
20:37:14 I THINK THERE'S A HARDSHIP HERE, UNIQUENESS OF THE PROPERTY.
20:37:17 AND THESE ARE THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT I THINK THE CITY IS
20:37:20 REALLY -- IT CREATES A LOT OF DIVERSITY.
20:37:23 AND UNLIKE THAT BIG MAP THAT MIKE SHOWS YOU WITH GAS WORX
20:37:27 AND EVERYTHING, THESE ARE FEE SIMPLE HOMES.
20:37:30 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO OWN THEIR HOME HERE.
20:37:33 MOST OF THOSE YOU SEE ARE RENTAL PROJECTS, THOSE BIG
20:37:36 PROJECTS IN YBOR CITY.
20:37:37 SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO THE PROJECT AS
20:37:41 WELL.
20:37:41 SO WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN.
20:37:43 WE KEPT THE DENSITY DOWN.
20:37:45 WE DIDN'T TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
20:37:48 SOME OF THESE WAIVERS SEEM A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, THE CODE
20:37:52 IS WHAT IT IS, BUT TELLING US WE NEED A WAIVER OF STREET
20:37:57 SETBACKS WHEN THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN THERE FOR 96 YEARS, YOU
20:38:00 KNOW, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAD TO CHANGE YOUR CODE AFTER THAT
20:38:05 BUILDING WAS THERE, MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THESE GUYS ARE
20:38:07 COMING IN ASKING FOR THE WORLD HERE, BUT REALLY AS YOU CAN
20:38:10 SEE THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
20:38:11 SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL GLADLY ATTEMPT TO
20:38:14 ANSWER THEM.
20:38:15 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
20:38:16 I APPRECIATE IT.
20:38:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS OF MR. BENTLEY?
20:38:22 >>BILL CARLSON: DID YOU SHOW ELEVATIONS BESIDES THE
20:38:24 HISTORIC BUILDING?
20:38:25 >> ZAIN HAS THEM.
20:38:31 I HAVE GOT THEM IN THE FILE.
20:38:36 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S OKAY, THANK YOU.
20:38:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE]
20:39:00 ON NEBRASKA AVENUE, ALL THE BIG HOUSES ON NEBRASKA, AND --
20:39:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE FUNERAL HOME.
20:39:14 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
20:39:47 >> IT'S PRETTY BARE BONES AS YOU SEE HERE, THREE STORY.
20:39:52 >> THE ARCHITECTURE, MORE MONOLITHIC, STOREFRONT, THINGS OF
20:40:02 THAT NATURE.
20:40:03 >>MARK BENTLEY: COLUMNS AND LIKE SEVENTH AVENUE.
20:40:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. BENTLEY?
20:40:14 ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC?
20:40:20 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
20:40:22 ANYONE REGISTERED?
20:40:23 >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
20:40:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE?
20:40:28 MOVED BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
20:40:30 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:40:31 OPPOSED?
20:40:33 WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
20:40:38 MR. MIRANDA?
20:40:42 >>LUIS VIERA: DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT, SIR?
20:40:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL GO TO MR. MIRANDA.
20:40:47 YOU TAKE THE NEXT ONE.
20:40:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE 6, REZ 21-115, MOVE AN ORDINANCE
20:40:55 BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN
20:40:57 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1502
20:41:01 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE, AND 1218, 1302, 1304, 1306, 130,
20:41:08 1310, 1312, 1314 EAST KAY STREET, AND 801, 803, 085, 807,
20:41:16 809 AND 811 EAST THIRD AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
20:41:21 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
20:41:23 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, AND
20:41:28 YC-5 YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, TO PD, PLANNED
20:41:34 DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND
20:41:37 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
20:41:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
20:41:43 ROLL CALL.
20:41:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
20:41:49 THE REVISION SHEET, PLEASE?
20:41:52 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:41:55 CAN YOU SEE ME?
20:41:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, WE CAN'T YET.
20:42:00 NOT ON SCREEN.
20:42:01 IF WE CAN GO TO THE MONITORS.
20:42:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE COULD ASK THE CTTV TO SWITCH OVER TO
20:42:10 BE ABLE TO SEE YOU.
20:42:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE HE IS.
20:42:13 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:42:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
20:42:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
20:42:18 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
20:42:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
20:42:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
20:42:21 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
20:42:23 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21, 2022
20:42:30 AT 930 A.M.
20:42:31 >> BILL CARLSON: ON ITEM NUMBER 7, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF.
20:42:36 AND I WOULD LIKE TO WITH PERMISSION MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT
20:42:40 MY FORM AB, THE NATURE OF MY CONFLICT IS THAT THE COMPANY BY
20:42:45 WHOM I AM RETAINED DOES BUSINESS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD IN
20:42:48 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ON MATTERS NOT RELATED TO THIS
20:42:50 APPLICATION.
20:42:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
20:42:59 MR. MIRANDA.
20:43:00 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:43:01 OPPOSED?
20:43:02 MOTION GRANTED.
20:43:02 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: NUMBER 7, SU-2-21-03, A REQUEST FOR A
20:43:17 SPECIAL USE 2 FOR A SCHOOL AT A LOCATION 4210 WEST BAY VILLA
20:43:23 AVENUE.
20:43:24 I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING
20:43:26 COMMISSION.
20:43:27 >>JENNIFER MALONE: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
20:43:29 JENNIFER MALONE AGAIN WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
20:43:32 THIS IS SU-2-21-03, SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
20:43:37 , AND HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
20:43:42 IT'S LOCATED EAST OF SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE.
20:43:47 THERE'S COMMERCIAL USES LOCATED ALONG SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE
20:43:50 BUT THE PREDOMINANT PATTERN IN THIS AREA IS SINGLE-FAMILY
20:43:53 DETACHED.
20:43:55 YOU WILL SEE THAT REFLECTED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR
20:44:01 MIXED USE 35 ALONG SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE WHERE THE
20:44:04 COMMERCIAL USES ARE AND THEN RESIDENTIAL 10 IN THE
20:44:06 NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED ARE LOCATED.
20:44:10 THE SUBJECT SITE ITSELF HAS LAND USE OF PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC.
20:44:14 THE PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC DESIGNATION DOES NOT HAVE DENSITY OR
20:44:18 INTENSITY.
20:44:19 INSTEAD IT IS GUIDED BY THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
20:44:22 WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REVIEWED THIS REQUEST,
20:44:26 TOOK A SAMPLE OF OTHER COMMERCIAL AND PUBLIC USES IN THE
20:44:29 AREA, AND DETERMINED THE AVERAGE WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA
20:44:34 TO SEE IF IT'S COMPATIBLE.
20:44:37 SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN F.A.R. OF 0.26, AND THEN
20:44:43 THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOUND THAT SEVEN SAMPLE SITES IN
20:44:50 THE SAME AREA WERE NOT RESIDENTIAL USES DEVELOPED F.A.R. OF
20:44:55 0.17.
20:44:57 BUT DID FIND THE 0.26 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING
20:45:03 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO ENCOURAGES THE
20:45:05 PLACEMENT OF SCHOOLS AND OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES IN
20:45:08 NEIGHBORHOODS TO SERVE AS COMMUNITY LOCAL POINTS,
20:45:13 DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN, AND STANDARD TO ENSURE THAT IT'S
20:45:17 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PATTERN.
20:45:20 SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH
20:45:22 THE POLICY, AND WE FOUND THAT THE SCHOOL WAS PROVIDING THE
20:45:27 BUFFERING REQUIRED, AND SCREENING RESIDENTIAL USES
20:45:34 CONSISTENT WITH THIS POLICY.
20:45:35 SO GIVEN THE DESIGN FEATURES, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
20:45:38 FINDS THE REQUEST WILL BE DEVELOPED IN A MANNER THAT IS
20:45:42 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONSISTENT
20:45:44 WITH THE UNDERLYING PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC LAND USE DESIGNATION.
20:45:50 I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
20:45:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS OF MS. MALONE?
20:45:54 ALL RIGHT.
20:45:55 SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO BACK TO ZAIN.
20:45:57 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
20:46:00 CAN CASE SU-2-21-03.
20:46:03 THE APPLICANT IS THE SCHOOL BOARD OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
20:46:06 REPRESENTED BY JULIA MANDELL, AT A LOCATION 4210 WEST BAY
20:46:11 VILLA AVENUE.
20:46:15 CURRENTLY ZONED RS 60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND PROPOSED
20:46:18 TO A SPECIAL USE OF A SCHOOL.
20:46:21 ONE WAIVER BEING REQUESTED.
20:46:24 SECTION 27-132 SAYS TO ALLOW ACCESS TO LOCAL STREETS, SOUTH
20:46:30 COOLIDGE AVENUE, WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE AND SOUTH LOIS
20:46:34 AVENUE, IS THE ONE WAIVER REQUESTED.
20:46:38 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A
20:46:41 MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 50 FEET WHICH IS SURPASSING THE HEIGHT OF
20:46:45 RM 60, BUT THEY DON'T NEED A WAIVER FOR THIS AS PER SECTION
20:46:51 27-132-F WHICH STATES A SCHOOL MAY BE CONSTRUCTED IN EXCESS
20:46:55 OF THE HEIGHT LIMITATION OF THE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS
20:46:58 LOCATED PROVIDED THE APPLICANT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THE
20:47:01 HEIGHT OF THE SCHOOL DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ADJOINING
20:47:05 AND NEARBY PROPERTIES. IN DETERMINING WHETHER HEIGHT HAS AN
20:47:07 ADVERSE EFFECT IN THE RELATION TO THE SCHOOL OF THE
20:47:10 SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDING YARD, BUSINESS ON THE
20:47:12 STREETS AND BUSINESS FROM EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS AND
20:47:16 OTHER STRUCTURES SHALL BE CONSIDERED.
20:47:20 SPECIAL CONDITIONS MAY ALSO BE ESTABLISHED TO ENSURE THE
20:47:23 COMPATIBILITY OF THE HEIGHT OF THE SCHOOL WITH THE
20:47:25 SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:47:27 AND THAT'S FROM 27-132-F OF THE ZONING CODE.
20:47:32 UPON THAT STAFF FINDS DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AS
20:47:36 THE SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, AS I WILL SHOW YOU ON
20:47:39 THE SITE PLAN.
20:47:42 MOVING TO THE OVERHEAD AERIAL YOU WILL SEE THE PROPERTY HERE
20:47:45 OUTLINED IN RED, CROSSING WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE, SOUTH
20:47:50 COOLIDGE AVENUE AND ALSO SOUTH LOIS AVENUE.
20:47:56 THE LOT HAS APPROXIMATELY 563,832 SQUARE FEET, OR 12.944
20:48:02 ACRES.
20:48:05 THE PROPOSED STUDENT POPULATION IS APPROXIMATELY 1800
20:48:08 STUDENTS WITH 120 STAFF MEMBERS.
20:48:10 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE FIVE BUILDINGS FOR A
20:48:13 TOTAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 151,433 SQUARE FEET.
20:48:20 NOW, ABUTTING THE SCHOOL IS RESIDENTIAL 60 TO THE NORTH, TO
20:48:27 THE EAST, AND TO THE SOUTH.
20:48:31 TO THE WEST, YOU WILL HAVE A YOUTH CENTER HERE CALLED THE
20:48:38 PREP AND ALSO YOU WILL HAVE A LIBRARY HERE, ALSO TO THE
20:48:41 WEST.
20:48:42 THAT IS THE JAN PLATT LIBRARY.
20:48:45 THE PROPOSED REQUEST REQUIRES 135 PARKING SPACES.
20:48:51 YOU SEE THE OVERHEAD.
20:48:53 135 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND A TOTAL OF 151 PARKING
20:48:58 SPACES ARE BEING PROVIDED.
20:49:03 AS WE LOOK AT THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
20:49:13 AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, CURRENTLY USED FOR
20:49:19 ONLY STAFF ONLY FOR EDUCATIONAL EXERCISES.
20:49:25 YOU SEE THE SITE.
20:49:27 ALSO TO THE SOUTH.
20:49:28 AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN YOU WILL SEE THE PREP.
20:49:31 AND ALSO IF YOU LOOK YOU WILL SEE THE JAN PLATT LIBRARY TO
20:49:36 THE WEST OF THE SITE.
20:49:38 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE AND NORTH OF THE SITE YOU WILL SEE
20:49:40 THAT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
20:49:43 ALSO TO THE EAST OF THE SITE AND NORTHEAST OF THE SITE YOU
20:49:45 HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ALONG THE STREET.
20:49:51 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
20:49:53 APPLICATION AND FINDS THE OVERALL REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH
20:49:55 THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
20:49:58 MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BETWEEN
20:50:00 FIRST AND SECOND READING, IF APPROVED ON THE REVISION SHEET.
20:50:07 HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
20:50:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ZAIN, WHAT SCHOOL IS THERE NOW?
20:50:11 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: RIGHT NOW, IT IS A TRAINING FACILITY CALLED
20:50:15 THE MANHATTAN CENTER.
20:50:17 IT'S RESEARCH FROM OUR SIDE JUST A TRAINING FACILITY FOR
20:50:23 STAFF MEMBERS ONLY.
20:50:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?
20:50:30 ALL RIGHT.
20:50:31 MS. MANDELL?
20:50:32 >>JULIA MANDELL: GOOD EVENING.
20:50:37 JULIA MANDELL, GRAY ROBINSON.
20:50:40 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
20:50:42 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
20:50:44 WITH ME IS RENE CAMDEN, THE MANAGER OF PLANNING WITH THE
20:50:48 SCHOOL DISTRICT.
20:50:49 SHE IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
20:50:51 AND SHE'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
20:50:55 I THINK ZAIN DID A NICE JOB EXPLAINING WHAT THE PROJECT IS,
20:51:00 AND IT USED TO BE A SCHOOL BUT NOW SERVING AS AN
20:51:04 ADMINISTRATOR BUILDING FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, THEY ARE
20:51:07 REDEVELOPING THIS SITE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE K-8 SCHOOL IN
20:51:11 THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE WE ARE GETTING TO A PLACE WHERE
20:51:14 SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT TAMPA ARE
20:51:18 STARTING TO HAVE SOME CROWDING PROBLEMS, AND THIS WAS ALWAYS
20:51:22 INTENDED TO BE AND WAS TO CREATE A NEW SCHOOL IN THIS
20:51:27 LOCATION.
20:51:29 AS ZAIN SAID, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES, JUST UNDER 13
20:51:33 ACRES RIGHT NOW.
20:51:34 AS I SAID IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.
20:51:36 THERE'S ALSO SOME FIELDS THAT ARE USED BY, I THINK, IT'S
20:51:40 TAMPA PREP FOR THE PURPOSE OF THEIR SPORTS ACTIVITIES.
20:51:45 WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING REGARDING THIS SCHOOL.
20:51:48 I DID NOT ATTEND IT BUT RENE DID, AND FROM WHAT OUR
20:51:51 CONVERSATION WAS, IT SEEMED THERE WAS AN OVERALL POSITIVE TO
20:51:56 DEVELOP IN THIS WAY, AS A SCHOOL IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:51:59 SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT DID COME UP FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND
20:52:01 IS RELATED TO SIDEWALKS, AND WE ARE PROVIDING SIDEWALKS ON
20:52:05 ALL FOUR CORNERS OF THE SITE.
20:52:07 THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSIONS REGARDING
20:52:10 STORMWATER IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
20:52:13 AS WE ARE REQUIRED TO, MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR STORMWATER
20:52:16 ON-SITE.
20:52:18 WE ARE PUTTING IN BOX CULVERTS AND DOING OTHER IMPROVEMENTS
20:52:21 IN ORDER TO ENSURE STORMWATER NEEDS ARE MET.
20:52:24 HOWEVER THERE, HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY THAT
20:52:27 ARE ONGOING, NOTHING HAS BEEN FINALIZED, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE
20:52:30 TO ALSO USE OUR SITE AND USE SOME OF OUR FACILITIES FOR A
20:52:35 BIGGER STORMWATER PROJECT IN THE AREA.
20:52:37 IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOU BUT I JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW
20:52:39 THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE OCCURRING.
20:52:43 IN ADDITION, THERE ARE SOME SPORTS FIELDS ON THERE.
20:52:46 AS OF NOW, ALL LIGHTING FOR ANY FUTURE SPORTS FIELDS WILL BE
20:52:52 DIRECTED INWARD, AND WILL BE SHIELDED.
20:52:55 THERE WILL ALSO BE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AROUND IN PROXIMITY TO
20:53:00 THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT EXIST NOW, SINGLE-FAMILY
20:53:03 RESIDENTIAL, AND WILL HELP TO BUFFER THIS.
20:53:06 WE REALLY DO THINK THIS IS A GOOD AMENITY FOR THE
20:53:08 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT HELPS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING
20:53:13 SCHOOLS FOR THE INFLUX OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING
20:53:17 THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA.
20:53:21 THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE
20:53:25 WAIVERS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO LOCATE YOUR SCHOOLS PER CODE ON
20:53:30 COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROADWAYS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE WITHIN
20:53:33 YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE INTEREST IN HAVING SCHOOLS IN
20:53:37 NEIGHBORHOODS SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO ALLOW ACCESS
20:53:40 ONTO LOCAL ROADS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IN THIS CASE, THAT'S WHERE
20:53:44 YOU WANT YOUR SCHOOLS, K-8 SCHOOLS, SO YOU CAN HAVE
20:53:48 OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL, AND BE NOT ON LARGER
20:53:52 ROADWAYS.
20:53:53 ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL MENTION, ALL OF OUR QUEUING WILL BE
20:53:57 ON-SITE, AND I HAVE KIDS, I HAVE BEEN IN QUEUE LINES, AND IT
20:54:04 IS DEFINITELY BETTER TO GET OFF THE ROADWAY.
20:54:07 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
20:54:09 I DON'T KNOW IF RENE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
20:54:12 BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY PRESENTATION FOR THIS TIME.
20:54:15 THANK YOU.
20:54:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. MANDELL?
20:54:19 SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
20:54:22 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE ONE, JEAN STROHMEYER.
20:54:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE WE GOT JEAN THERE?
20:54:55 (LOST AUDIO).
20:55:11 >>LUIS VIERA:IS MY PLEASURE TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE -- THANK
20:55:14 YOU, SIR.
20:55:15 MY PLEASURE TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
20:55:17 READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
20:55:21 PERMIT S-2 APPROVING SCHOOL IN AN RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
20:55:25 SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
20:55:28 4210 WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
20:55:33 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 THEREOF
20:55:36 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
20:55:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
20:55:39 ROLL CALL.
20:55:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
20:55:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
20:55:41 >>BILL CARLSON:
20:55:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
20:55:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:55:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
20:55:50 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.
20:55:52 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,
20:55:56 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
20:55:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 8, ZAIN.
20:56:01 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, NUMBER 8, AB
20:56:06 2-22-505, REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE 2 FOR SMALL VENUE BEER,
20:56:11 WINE AND LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
20:56:15 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
20:56:17 GENERALLY LOCATED AT 520 EAST FLORIBRASKA AVENUE.
20:56:21 CAN I PLEASE HAVE CONTROL OF THE SCREEN?
20:56:23 >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE CONTROL, ZAIN.
20:56:32 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THANKS.
20:56:34 CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN?
20:56:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOT YET, ZAIN.
20:56:37 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: HOW ABOUT NOW?
20:56:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, SIR.
20:56:57 WE GOT IT.
20:56:58 BLOW IT UP.
20:56:58 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THANKS SO MUCH.
20:57:01 ALL RIGHT.
20:57:02 THE APPLICANT IS KING STATE COFFEE LLC REPRESENTED BY TYLER
20:57:07 HUDSON.
20:57:09 THERE IS AN ACTIVE AB SALES, AB 2-18-07, FOR SMALL VENUE
20:57:15 BEER AND WINE.
20:57:16 NOW, THE PROPOSED AB SALES IS AB 2-22-50 WHICH WILL BE A
20:57:22 SMALL VENUE BEER, WINE AND ADDITIONAL LIQUOR.
20:57:25 THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE AB SALES WILL BE THE SAME, 1,696
20:57:30 SQUARE FEET INDOORS, 941 SQUARE FEET OUTDOORS FOR A TOTAL OF
20:57:35 2,637 SQUARE FEET.
20:57:38 THE PARKING PROVIDED IS 27 PARKING SPACES.
20:57:41 THIS WAS APPROVED IN AB 2-18-07.
20:57:45 WHICH GOES FROM 33 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED TO 27.
20:57:49 SO THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST.
20:57:52 FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION, HOURS OF OPERATION, THE
20:57:55 APPLICANT TOLD ME THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE HOURS OF
20:58:00 OPERATION THE SAME AS IT CURRENTLY IS, SO SALES BEING
20:58:04 CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14, THEY ARE REQUESTING FROM 7 A.M.
20:58:07 TO 1 A.M. SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK.
20:58:11 NO ALCOHOL SALES WILL BE DONE PRIOR TO 11 A.M. ON SUNDAYS
20:58:14 AND CLOSING TIME EXTENDED TO 2 A.M. SIX TIMES PER CALENDAR
20:58:20 YEAR.
20:58:20 THE APPLICANT IS TO NOTIFY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OF THE
20:58:23 PROPOSED DATES IN WRITING ANNUAL BY JANUARY 15th OF EACH
20:58:27 YEAR.
20:58:28 SO CHANGES MUST BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING ON
20:58:32 THE SALES HOURS.
20:58:34 THERE ARE NO WAIVERS BEING REQUESTED HERE, AND NO AB SALES
20:58:39 ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN 250 FEET.
20:58:43 IF YOU COME OVER HERE TO THE AERIAL VIEW, YOU WILL SEE THE
20:58:46 SITE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
20:58:50 NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE RESIDENTIAL
20:58:54 SURROUNDING THE SITE, AS WELL AS 275 RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH
20:58:59 OVER TO THE EAST.
20:59:04 IF WE GO TO THE OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN, YOU WILL SEE
20:59:08 WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS.
20:59:09 THE PARKING.
20:59:11 AND THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING THE PARCEL.
20:59:16 EAST FLORIBRASKA, IS WHERE ACCESS TO THE SITE IS.
20:59:22 AND YOU SEE THE ELEVATIONS TO THE SITE.
20:59:26 AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.
20:59:28 AND WEPT OUT TO THE SITE, GOT MORE ADDITIONAL PICTURES OF
20:59:32 THE SITE.
20:59:33 YOU WILL SEE THE STRUCTURE.
20:59:35 YOU WILL SEE THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
20:59:38 YOU WILL SEE THE SITE.
20:59:39 YOU WILL SEE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU HAVE 275 RUNNING UP AND
20:59:42 DOWN.
20:59:44 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
20:59:47 AND TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, OVER THE FENCE YOU WILL SEE
20:59:52 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
20:59:56 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
20:59:59 THIS APPLICATION AND FINDS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF
21:00:01 TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
21:00:03 NOW, CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN ARE NEEDED BETWEEN FIRST
21:00:07 AND SECOND READING.
21:00:09 ANYTHING ELSE?
21:00:09 HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
21:00:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ZAIN, YOU SAID THERE IS NO ALCOHOL BEING
21:00:15 SERVED WITHIN 250 FEET AT THE SITE?
21:00:17 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: CORRECT.
21:00:23 THERE IS AB SALES ESTABLISHMENT TO THE WEST, BUT NOT WITHIN
21:00:34 250 FEET.
21:00:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW, BUT -- OKAY.
21:00:37 ALL RIGHT.
21:00:38 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THEY ARE BEYOND 250 FEET.
21:00:48 DISTANCE SEPARATION.
21:00:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: REALLY?
21:00:54 HMMM.
21:00:55 OKAY.
21:00:55 ALL RIGHT.
21:00:56 ANY QUESTIONS OF ZAIN?
21:01:02 THE APPLICANT.
21:01:02 >> TYLER HUDSON, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE.
21:01:07 IF I CAN USE THE SCREEN HERE.
21:01:50 CAN YOU SEE THAT?
21:01:51 ALL RIGHT.
21:01:55 I LIVE THREE BLOCKS AWAY, AND MY KIDS -- WE WANT TO MAKE A
21:02:01 VERY SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE WET ZONING.
21:02:03 ZAIN DID A GREAT JOB RUNNING THROUGH WHAT'S ALREADY APPROVED
21:02:06 AND THE VERY MINOR CHANGE WE ARE MAKING. I WANT TO
21:02:09 EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS.
21:02:11 IT'S RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF FLORIBRASKA AND 275 IN THE
21:02:15 HEIGHT OF -- HEART OF TAMPA HEIGHTS.
21:02:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOUR NAME.
21:02:23 >>TYLER HUDSON: I THOUGHT I DID THAT AT THE BEGINNING.
21:02:25 TYLER HUDSON, 400 ASHLEY.
21:02:33 TO SERVE SPECIALTY COCKTAIL.
21:02:37 WE CAN SELL UNLIMITED AMOUNTS OF BEER AND WINE ALONG WITH
21:02:41 THE COFFEE WHICH IS A BIG SELLER.
21:02:45 WHAT'S WORTH NOTING, IN TAMPA HEIGHTS, AS THE FOOD AND
21:02:52 BEVERAGE PROGRAM EVOLVED, THEY ARE SERVING NONALCOHOLIC
21:03:02 BEVERAGES, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVE BEER, WINE
21:03:06 AND LIQUOR AS WELL.
21:03:07 THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR HERE.
21:03:11 WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY WAIVERS.
21:03:13 NO CHANGE IN OPERATING HOURS.
21:03:15 THAT IS A CHANGE WE WILL MAKE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
21:03:17 READING.
21:03:18 THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW INCORRECTLY HAS CHAPTER
21:03:21 14 HOURS.
21:03:22 THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT.
21:03:23 ALSO ON AMPLIFIED SOUND, THERE WAS A RESTRICTION IN THE
21:03:26 ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
21:03:27 IT'S IN THE CURRENT SITE PLAN THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT IN ONE
21:03:31 SECOND.
21:03:32 YOU SEE THE OPERATING HOURS, 7 TO 1, NO ALCOHOL SALES BEFORE
21:03:36 11, SIX TIMES A YEAR TO EXTEND ONE HOUR.
21:03:41 ON NOISE, THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT IS, AND NO AMPLIFIED
21:03:48 SOUND AFTER 10 P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND AFTER
21:03:52 11 P.M. ON WEEKENDS.
21:03:54 THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
21:04:01 IT'S AN EXCELLENT NEIGHBOR AND HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE CIVIC
21:04:03 ASSOCIATION.
21:04:04 AS EVIDENCE OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
21:04:08 THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT CHANGING.
21:04:10 VERY PROUD TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC
21:04:13 ASSOCIATION.
21:04:15 THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS SUPPORT IN THE RECORD AS WELL.
21:04:19 I WILL ADMIT WHEN I READ THE LETTERS TODAY, ONE NAME STOOD
21:04:23 OUT BECAUSE IT'S MY WIFE'S NAME, AND OUR ADDRESS, SO I HOPE
21:04:29 YOU DON'T PUT TOO MUCH INTO HER LETTER, BUT DON'T TELL HER I
21:04:34 SAID THAT.
21:04:40 THAT IS MY HOUSE THAT'S IN THAT LETTER.
21:04:43 WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
21:04:46 WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT HERE, BUT I WILL KEEP IT VERY BRIEF.
21:04:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS FOOD.
21:04:57 >>TYLER HUDSON: GOOD FOOD, GOOD FOOD.
21:05:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW THAT AREA, MY OFFICE WAS RIGHT
21:05:10 ACROSS THE STREET.
21:05:16 >>TYLER HUDSON: THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FLORIBRASKA?
21:05:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY OFFICE WAS THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
21:05:23 AND CARS WOULD GO THERE ALL THE TIME, GOING ACROSS THE
21:05:27 STREET, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT, AND OLD GAS
21:05:34 STATION.
21:05:38 THE AREA HAS CHANGED, BUT ABLE TO DEMOLISH THAT EYESORE A
21:05:43 COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WHERE THE HOMELESS POPULATION, TALK ABOUT
21:05:48 BEER AND WINE AND LIQUOR.
21:05:50 AND WE HAD A HANG-OUT SPOT, AND LIQUOR.
21:06:01 I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF HAVING LIQUOR STORES IN COMMUNITY,
21:06:05 BUT YOU CAN TELL ME, IS IT A PACKAGE STORE?
21:06:11 GIVE ME AN IDEA.
21:06:12 >>TYLER HUDSON: SURE.
21:06:15 THERE'S THE LOCAL CITY COMPANION, SPECIAL USE WHICH STAY WAS
21:06:20 THE LAND AND THEN THERE'S THE STATE, YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK THAT
21:06:23 WET ZONING WITH A STATE LICENSE, SO RIGHT NOW, ON PREMISES
21:06:32 AND OFF-PREMISES BEER AN WINE.
21:06:35 YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A COCKTAIL.
21:06:37 THERE'S NO STATE LICENSE FOR GETTING -- WE ARE GETTING TO
21:06:42 SALE LIQUOR TO GO.
21:06:44 UNDER STATE LAW, BECAUSE WITH COVID THERE IS AN ABILITY FOR
21:06:47 SPECIAL RESTAURANTS IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES TO DO THIS.
21:06:50 THE COCKTAIL TODAY AND IT WAS REALLY POPULAR DURING COVID,
21:06:53 BUT IS NOTE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A PACKAGE STORE FOR
21:06:57 LIQUOR.
21:06:58 THEY DO THEIR OWN BEER, COFFEE, THEY WORK WITH NATURAL WINE
21:07:03 PRODUCTS.
21:07:03 THE BEER AND WINE IS GOING TO BE SOLD TOGETHER TO GO BUT YOU
21:07:06 CAN'T BUY A BOTTLE OF VODKA AND WALK OUT THE DOOR.
21:07:09 THERE'S NO INTENT TO DO THAT.
21:07:11 THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET A LICENSE TO DO THAT.
21:07:14 THEY DON'T HAVE SPACE ON THE FLOOR REALLY TO DO ANY MORE
21:07:18 BOTTLES.
21:07:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW THE AREA.
21:07:26 THE INTERSTATE, AND --
21:07:31 >>TYLER HUDSON: I THINK THEY ARE OPERATING -- THE MARKET
21:07:36 FOR EXAMPLE DOWN THE ROAD, AND THIS IS A FAMILY PLACE, A
21:07:39 PLACE TO ENJOY COFFEE, DRINK NONALCOHOLIC OPTIONS, GIVEN THE
21:07:45 TYPE OF WET ZONING THAT THEY HAVE, THEY CAN'T SELL MORE THAN
21:07:50 51 OR 49% OF THEIR REVENUE WITH NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, SO
21:07:55 THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT RESTRICTION AND ARE GOING
21:07:59 TO ABIDE BY THAT.
21:08:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
21:08:04 MR. HUDSON, PLEASE, RUN THAT BY ME AGAIN.
21:08:07 YOU ARE ASKING FOR A PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION,
21:08:14 BUT YOU JUST SAID YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE USING IT FOR THAT?
21:08:17 >>TYLER HUDSON: YES, I BELIEVE IT'S AN APS LICENSE.
21:08:22 WE HAVE A 2COP FROM THE STATE WHICH IS A 2 BEER AND WINE COP
21:08:28 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES.
21:08:29 WE WOULD BE CHANGING THAT TO GET A 4(COP) FOR A SPECIAL
21:08:31 RESTAURANT.
21:08:32 AGAIN, THAT HAS A LIMITATION.
21:08:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET ME INTERRUPT YOU.
21:08:38 THAT'S JUST FOR SALE OF HARD LIQUOR ON PREMISES.
21:08:41 >>TYLER HUDSON: CORRECT.
21:08:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR OFF-PREMISES SALE?
21:08:47 >>TYLER HUDSON: BECAUSE WE DO SELL BEER AND WINE.
21:08:49 THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
21:08:51 SO THERE'S NOTE A WAY THAT I AM AWARE OF IN THE LOCAL WET
21:08:54 ZONING TO CARVE OUT LIQUOR OFF-PREMISES.
21:08:57 WE HAVE TO GET A STATE LICENSE TO DO THAT AND I CAN TELL YOU
21:09:01 THIS ON THE RECORD AND THE OWNERS WILL TELL YOU THIS, NO
21:09:03 INTENT TO DO THAT.
21:09:04 BUT THE PACK ALLEGE SALES FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, THAT'S
21:09:10 SOMEWHAT INSEPARABLE WHAT'S WITHIN THAT.
21:09:14 THERE'S NO INTENT IN OUR ABILITY TO MAKE THIS A LIQUOR STORE
21:09:18 BECAUSE THERE'S NO STATE LICENSE.
21:09:19 WE DON'T HAVE A STATE LICENSE.
21:09:21 WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR ONE TO HAVE THAT OFF-PREMISES.
21:09:26 BEER AND WINE IS SOLD OFF-PREMISES.
21:09:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE APPLICANTS ARE SELLING GROWLERS?
21:09:36 I'M SORRY, THEIR OWN BREWED BEER?
21:09:38 >>TYLER HUDSON: YES, A SMALL AMOUNT, THEIR SHELF AREA IS NO
21:09:42 WIDER THAN THIS PODIUM HERE, FOR NATURAL WINE PRODUCTS.
21:09:45 BUT BEER AND COFFEE AND COOL T-SHIRTS.
21:09:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M CONFUSED ON WHY YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN
21:09:55 OFF-PREMISES PACKAGE SALES.
21:10:01 THE DECISIONS WE MAKE HERE GO WITH THE PROPERTY.
21:10:04 AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, I SEE
21:10:08 CONCERNS, AS COUNCILMAN GUDES DOES.
21:10:11 >>TYLER HUDSON: SURE.
21:10:12 REGARDING STAYING WITH THE PROPERTY, THAT'S CORRECT.
21:10:14 THIS DOES.
21:10:15 HOWEVER, IF THERE'S A SUSPENSION OR CESSATION OF ALCOHOL
21:10:21 SALES FOR 60 DAYS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE THING THAT WILL
21:10:24 HAPPEN.
21:10:27 WHOEVER COMES IN NEXT, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT GOES AWAY.
21:10:31 SO THIS COMPANY IS COMMITTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:10:40 SALES IS NOT AN EASY THING.
21:10:42 BUT IF I GOT THE SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC
21:10:46 ASSOCIATION, NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, WHAT A GREAT
21:10:51 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY HAVE EARNED TRUST IN THE LAST FOUR
21:10:55 YEARS SINCE THEY GOT THE FIRST WET ZONING APPROVAL IN APRIL
21:10:58 OF 22.
21:11:00 IT'S SOMETHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS AND I THINK THEY HAVE
21:11:02 DEMONSTRATED THEY CAN BE RESPONSIBLE, SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
21:11:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
21:11:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?
21:11:11 ALL RIGHT.
21:11:11 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
21:11:23 OKAY.
21:11:24 >> MY NAME IS RUBEN FRANK, 515 EAST -- AVENUE, I'M THE
21:11:42 HOMEOWNER ON THE CORNER WHERE ALL THE CARS USED TO DRIVE.
21:11:45 I'M THE ONE THAT WORKED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA TO GET THE
21:11:48 LIGHT ON THE CORNER, BECAUSE OF ALL THE CARS IN MY FRONT
21:11:51 YARD.
21:11:52 AS FAR AS KING IS CONCERNED, I HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY
21:11:56 RESPONSIBLE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOR FROM KEEPING THE PROPERTY
21:12:00 CLEAN, TO KEEPING IT QUIET, TO BRINGING A GREAT VIBE TO THE
21:12:05 NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:12:06 I'M NOT SURE IF YOU EVER HAD A CHANCE DO FREQUENT ANY OF YOU
21:12:10 BUT I HAVE, AND THE CONCERNS WE HAVE AS FAR AS THE LICENSING
21:12:12 ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY AS FAR AS LIQUOR CONCERNS, I'M
21:12:16 FOR IT AND I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
21:12:18 SO I HAVE PROBABLY THE MOST TO GAIN OR LOSE IF THINGS GO
21:12:23 SOUTH AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED, BECAUSE I AM THEIR
21:12:26 CLOSEST NEIGHBOR.
21:12:27 THEY HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT RESPONSIBLE.
21:12:30 AND I WANTED TO -- THE SIGN OUT FRONT AS IT RELATES TO
21:12:34 SOMETHING WITH CITY COUNCIL, AS I WALKED PAST THE HOUSE.
21:12:38 I READ IT.
21:12:39 I NOTICED THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
21:12:42 SO I MADE A POINT TO MAKE SURE I CAME TO HEAR WHAT THEY WERE
21:12:45 TALKING ABOUT.
21:12:46 AND I'M GLAD I DID, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT
21:12:51 FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
21:12:52 SO NOW IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
21:12:55 THEY HAVE TRANSFORMED THAT CORNER.
21:12:58 SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING A FORMER GAS STATION, OR YET ANOTHER
21:13:02 AUTO REPAIR SHOP, THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER ON FLORIBRASKA --
21:13:06 I'M SORRY, ON FLORIDA AVENUE, TO CHANGE THAT INTO A
21:13:09 NEIGHBORHOOD SPOT WHERE PEOPLE -- I CAN ATTEST THERE'S A TON
21:13:16 OF CARS IN THE PARKING LOT ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S A GREAT
21:13:19 VIBE TO BE ABLE TO GO ACROSS THE STREET AND ENJOY A GLASS OF
21:13:22 WINE OR A CRAFT BEER, AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A MIXED DRINK
21:13:25 THERE TOO AS WELL.
21:13:30 IF SOMEONE LOOKS ON PAPER AND SEES WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS, THIS
21:13:34 WAY, THERE'S ANOTHER STORE THAT HAS ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION
21:13:37 AVAILABLE TO BE TAKEN OFF-SITE, ONE MIGHT COME TO A
21:13:45 CONCLUSION THAT IS NOT REALLY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT ACTUALLY
21:13:47 GOES ON, AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE STORES AND KING'S
21:13:50 STATE, LIKE THEY SAID, I HAVE SEEN KIDS THERE, I HAVE SEEN
21:13:56 FAMILIES OR FRIENDS, HANG OUT AND ENJOYING THEMSELVES.
21:14:00 BUT THE VIBE OF THAT CROWD IS SO GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:14:05 SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE YOURSELF TO GO, TAKE TIME AND
21:14:10 CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF AND I HOPE YOU GET AN IDEA WHY THEY
21:14:12 ARE ASKING FOR A WET ZONE THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
21:14:15 THESE GUYS DIDN'T NOTICE I WAS COMING TONIGHT.
21:14:17 I LITERALLY SAW THE SIGN, AND I HAPPENED TO HAVE THE NUMBER
21:14:21 OF TIM WHO IS ACROSS THE STREET, AND SAID, HEY, I HEARD THAT
21:14:26 YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A HEARING TONIGHT.
21:14:29 WHERE IS IT AGAIN?
21:14:30 WHAT TIME IS IT AGAIN?
21:14:31 AND THEN DECIDED TO POP BY SO YOU CAN HEAR FROM THE
21:14:36 COMMUNITY.
21:14:36 I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME --
21:14:39 [BELL SOUNDS]
21:14:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE 30 SECOND.
21:14:41 >> I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO THE COMMUNITY THE
21:14:44 FIRST NIGHT, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF IT AND
21:14:48 PROBABLY FIVE PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINST IT.
21:14:50 AND THE FEW THAT WERE AGAINST IT, IT WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY
21:14:53 DIDN'T KNOW.
21:14:53 THEY ALSO HADN'T BEEN TO ANOTHER LOCAL PLACE CALLED LEE'S
21:14:57 GROCERY WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF CENTRAL AND ASKED THEM, HAVE
21:15:00 YOU EVER BEEN THERE AND HAVE YOU EVER FELT THAT CROWD THAT
21:15:04 VIBE?
21:15:04 A BUNCH OF NICE PEOPLE HANGING OUT ENJOYING THEMSELVES AFTER
21:15:07 WORK.
21:15:07 I GO, KING STATE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME THING.
21:15:11 AND I KNEW THAT IN ADVANCE JUST BY WHAT THEY WERE TELLING
21:15:13 ME. [BELL SOUNDING]
21:15:13 ANYWAY, I HOPE IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION ...
21:15:19 >> THANKS FOR COMING BY.
21:15:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
21:15:29 ALL RIGHT.
21:15:29 ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
21:15:31 >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
21:15:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY
21:15:36 MR. MANISCALCO.
21:15:37 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:15:38 ANY OPPOSED?
21:15:39 MOTION GRANTED.
21:15:40 MR. CARLSON, NUMBER 8?
21:15:42 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE AB 2-22-05,
21:15:47 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
21:15:49 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR
21:15:52 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
21:15:55 PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION MAKING
21:15:59 LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
21:16:02 CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
21:16:05 TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 520 EAST FLORIBRASKA AVENUE, TAMPA,
21:16:09 FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3,
21:16:12 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
21:16:15 CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2018-48,
21:16:19 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
21:16:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
21:16:22 ROLL CALL.
21:16:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
21:16:26 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
21:16:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
21:16:30 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
21:16:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
21:16:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
21:16:38 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
21:16:39 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,
21:16:43 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
21:16:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE NEED HIM UP ON THE VIDEO.
21:16:54 >>THE CLERK: HE IS ON SCREEN.
21:16:57 >> HE IS ON SCREEN.
21:16:58 THERE WE GO.
21:17:02 THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE.
21:17:04 OKAY.
21:17:05 THERE'S A SCREEN THAT SHE HAS WITH THE MONITOR, WHAT GOES ON
21:17:10 ON THE VIDEO.
21:17:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
21:17:12 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:17:17 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, CASE AB 2-22-08, IS A REQUEST FOR A
21:17:21 SPECIAL USE 2 FOR LARGE VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
21:17:26 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES
21:17:30 CONSUMPTION AT 203 NORTH MERIDIAN AVENUE. CAN I PLEASE HAVE
21:17:35 CONTROL OF THE SCREEN?
21:17:37 >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE CONTROL, ZAIN.
21:17:40 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN NOW?
21:17:57 WONDERFUL.
21:17:59 THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE IS DAVID SINGER AND COLIN
21:18:04 RICE.
21:18:05 NOW, THIS IS A PROPOSED AB SALES PERMIT.
21:18:11 AB 1-1934 FOR A RESTAURANT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
21:18:16 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.
21:18:18 SO THE ADDITION HERE IS ADDING -- ASKING FOR A LARGE VENUE,
21:18:24 AND ASKING FOR PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
21:18:29 NOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR AB SALES WILL NOT CHANGE.
21:18:32 THE SALES WILL STILL BE 3,806 SQUARE FEET INDOORS AND 1165
21:18:38 SQUARE FEET OUTDOORS FOR A TOTAL AB SALES AREA OF 4971
21:18:42 SQUARE FEET.
21:18:46 BEING IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT PARKING IS NOT REQUIRED.
21:18:48 SEALS OF HOURS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.
21:18:52 NO WAIVERS ARE BEING REQUESTED HERE, AND THERE ARE NO AB
21:18:56 SALES ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN 1250 FEET.
21:19:00 IF YOU SEE THE PARCEL HERE, YOU WILL SEE OUTLINED IN RED,
21:19:03 THE OVERALL STRUCTURE IS -- AND THE PERSON THAT'S ASKING FOR
21:19:11 THE AB SALES PERMIT IS LALA SANGRIA. NORTH MERIDIAN AVENUE.
21:19:19 IT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH TO THE WEST.
21:19:21 ALSO YOU WILL HAVE DOWNTOWN TO THE WEST.
21:19:24 THE CHANNEL DISTRICT NORTH AND SOUTH HERE TO THE EAST.
21:19:29 YOU WILL HAVE NORTH 11th STREET.
21:19:32 YOU WILL HAVE EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH.
21:19:34 YOU WILL HAVE SPARKMAN WHARF DOWN THERE TO THE SOUTH.
21:19:41 PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SITE.
21:19:43 I WILL SHOW YOU THIS.
21:19:47 ACCESS IS ON MERIDIAN AVENUE AND ALSO EAST WASHINGTON
21:19:51 STREET.
21:19:52 THE SUBJECT PARCEL RIGHT HERE.
21:19:55 ALREADY EXISTING.
21:19:57 THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
21:19:59 YOU SEE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
21:20:06 YOU HAVE A GOOD SHOT SANGRIA BAR RIGHT HERE.
21:20:10 AND THE SITE ALSO FROM THE STREET OF EAST WASHINGTON.
21:20:17 TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE YOU WILL HAVE THE SLATE, AND THEY
21:20:20 ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF BOUTIQUE RETAIL STORES.
21:20:24 AND THE WEST, YOU WILL SEE DOWNTOWN TAMPA, AND ALSO YOU WILL
21:20:29 SEE THE INTERSECTION OF MERIDIAN AN EAST WASHINGTON.
21:20:34 TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING AT THIS TIME,
21:20:36 AND ALSO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, WHICH RUNS INTO MORE
21:20:39 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES.
21:20:44 AB STRUCTURE DOWN THE STREET AND SPARKMAN WHARF DOWN ON THE
21:20:49 CHANNEL DISTRICT.
21:20:51 TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE YOU WILL SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL
21:20:53 MULTIFAMILY.
21:20:54 YOU HAVE A HIGH-RISE, AND ALSO RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY UP
21:20:57 AND DOWN SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE ON WASHINGTON.
21:21:03 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
21:21:06 APPLICATION AND FINDS THIS CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE CITY
21:21:08 OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
21:21:11 MINOR CORRECTIONS NEED ON THE ON THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST
21:21:15 SECOND READING AND STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS BEING DONE.
21:21:17 THANK YOU.
21:21:18 HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
21:21:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?
21:21:21 ALL RIGHT.
21:21:22 WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
21:21:23 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
21:21:30 COLIN RICE FOR THE APPLICANT, 101 EAST KENNEDY, SUITE 2800.
21:21:35 PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT BEING UDR SLADE LLC AS ZAIN
21:21:41 MENTIONED AS LALA SANGRIA, AND JOHN ENGLISH, THE OWNER OF
21:21:47 LALA SANGRIA. I WILL BE BRIEF TONIGHT. I KNOW WE ARE LAST
21:21:51 ON THE AGENDA.
21:21:52 I HAVE SOME SIMPLE VISUALS TO RUN THROUGH AND I WILL BE
21:21:56 HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
21:21:58 SO I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND AS ZAIN MENTIONED, FROM A
21:22:07 SPECIAL USE 2 FOR RESTAURANT LARGE VENUE BEER, WINE AND
21:22:11 LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES, PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES
21:22:14 CONSUMPTION, CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER AN S-1 ALCOHOL
21:22:18 PERMIT.
21:22:20 TO ORIENT YOU HERE IN CHANNELSIDE, MERIDIAN SEPARATED BY THE
21:22:30 MEDIAN, WE HAVE GOT CSX RAIL LINES ACROSS THE STREET, FROM
21:22:37 THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.
21:22:39 TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE VACANT COMMERCIAL.
21:22:41 TO THE EAST, THERE IS A SURFACE PARKING LOT HERE.
21:22:45 SO DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING BUT CURRENTLY KIND OF SITTING
21:22:49 RELATIVELY ISOLATED FROM THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
21:22:57 THIS IS FACING TO THE NORTHEAST ON WASHINGTON AND MERIDIAN.
21:23:07 A BUSY FLOOR PLAN HERE BUT TO SHOW YOU THE LAYOUT.
21:23:13 NOTHING IS CHANGING.
21:23:14 THIS IS IDENTICAL INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SQUARE FOOTAGE.
21:23:19 WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, AND -- IT REALLY HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM
21:23:27 WITH THIS SITE.
21:23:28 WE ARE COGNIZANT OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
21:23:30 ANY CHANGES THAT MIGHT COME, AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY
21:23:35 PROBLEMS DEALING WITH NOISE.
21:23:38 WE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
21:23:39 UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SHOWS A STRUCTURE WITH A LARGE
21:23:42 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX.
21:23:44 AGAIN, HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.
21:23:46 WE DON'T FORESEE IT BEING A PROBLEM.
21:23:48 THE OUTDOOR AREA FACE IT IS CXS RAIL LINES ACROSS THE WAY.
21:24:00 AND THIS AGAIN SHOWING INDOOR OUTDOOR OVERALL.
21:24:05 AGAIN, THIS IS THE SLATE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.
21:24:08 A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT HERE, OUR CLIENT TOOK OVER THIS
21:24:11 SPACE AT THE VERY END OF 19, INTO 2020, 2021, SO HE HAS SEEN
21:24:18 THE INITIAL OPENING, ENTRY INTO THE WORLD, NEW REEMERGENCE,
21:24:25 AND THE BOTTOM LINE, AMENDED THE BUSINESS MODEL.
21:24:29 THE 51% FOOD SALES REQUIREMENT INHERENT WITH THE SPECIAL USE
21:24:34 1 RESTAURANT APPROVAL DIDN'T SEEM FEASIBLE FOR THE SITE FOR
21:24:39 THIS BUSINESS MODEL.
21:24:40 THAT'S REALLY WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.
21:24:42 WE ARE ON A PARALLEL TRACK WORKING WITH THE STATE, HAVE NO
21:24:45 ISSUES WITH THIS, AND REALLY THE IDEA IS TO BRING THIS INTO
21:24:48 COMPLIANCE TO WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED, WHAT THEY SEE
21:24:51 GOING FORWARD FOR THE BUSINESS.
21:24:55 FULL KITCHEN, FOOD AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES, STILL FUNCTIONING
21:24:59 AS A RESTAURANT.
21:24:59 IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
21:25:00 WE JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE HAD AND
21:25:04 GOING FORWARD.
21:25:06 WITH THE CORRECT DESIGNATION.
21:25:08 WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
21:25:10 APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
21:25:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR COLIN?
21:25:16 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
21:25:17 ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
21:25:19 >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
21:25:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO?
21:25:27 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
21:25:31 MOTION GRANTED TO CLOSE.
21:25:32 ALL RIGHT.
21:25:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
21:25:35 FIRST READING, CAN AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
21:25:39 PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES LARGE VENUE
21:25:42 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES
21:25:45 CONSUMPTION, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES
21:25:48 REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON
21:25:51 THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 203 NORTH
21:25:56 MERIDIAN AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY
21:25:58 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR
21:26:01 PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED REPEALING AB
21:26:04 1-19-34 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND WITH THE MINOR
21:26:08 CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
21:26:11 THIS WAS FOUND CONSISTENT.
21:26:14 DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES.
21:26:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.
21:26:21 ROLL CALL.
21:26:21 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
21:26:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
21:26:24 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
21:26:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
21:26:36 >>LUIS VIERA: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
21:26:38 >>THE CLERK: YES.
21:26:39 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
21:26:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
21:26:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
21:26:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
21:26:45 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
21:26:48 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,
21:26:52 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
21:26:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
21:26:56 MR. SHELBY.
21:26:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
21:27:01 YOU HAD ASKED ME, COUNSEL, WHEN THE WORKSHOP WAS CANCELED
21:27:06 THIS MORNING, TO COME UP WITH OTHER DATES WITH THE
21:27:09 FACILITATOR.
21:27:11 HER BEST DATE WAS APRIL 19th, AND A COUPLE OF COUNCIL
21:27:17 MEMBERS WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THE FULL MEETING ON THE
21:27:19 19th.
21:27:19 SO, COUNCIL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU CAN, WE CAN WORK IT OUT
21:27:25 WITH THE FACILITATOR, FIND OUT WHEN THE DATES ARE AVAILABLE
21:27:28 SO WE CAN DO THAT WHEN NEW COUNCILMEMBER --
21:27:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN IS THE NEW --
21:27:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: APRIL 7th.
21:27:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN CALLING ABOUT THIS.
21:27:39 THE PUBLIC CALLED ME TODAY.
21:27:40 I UNDERSTAND IT'S SCHEDULED BUT WE HAVE TO GET A DATE TO GET
21:27:45 THIS DONE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING ABOUT IT, SO
21:27:48 COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST THEIR SCHEDULE SOMEHOW SO
21:27:51 WE CAN GET THIS DONE.
21:27:52 WE CAN'T KEEP PUTTING IT OFF AND OFF.
21:27:55 WE CAN PUT IT OFF TO 7 PEOPLE, BUT --
21:27:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN AS SOON AS I CAN, AND AS A MATTER OF
21:28:01 FACT I AM GOING TO WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AND WITH
21:28:04 YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO MAKE SURE JUST HOLDING THE MEETING,
21:28:10 HOLDING THE ROOM IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, AND WE CAN
21:28:12 TAKE IT AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ON A TUESDAY.
21:28:15 I DO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU MAY WANTS TO CONSIDER.
21:28:18 MAY 10th IS A SPECIAL CALLED -- A MEETING THAT YOU SET
21:28:23 THE COMMENDATIONS.
21:28:25 YOU WILL BE HERE ON MAY 10th AND THE ONLY THING RIGHT
21:28:27 NOW ON MAY 10th IF YOU DON'T PUT ANY OTHER COMMENDATIONS
21:28:31 ON FOR MAY 10th, THE ONLY THING YOU WOULD HAVE ON MAY
21:28:36 10th, IF WE CAN GET IT IN APRIL THAT WOULD EVEN BE
21:28:39 BETTER BUT I KNOW YOU CAN START YOUR WORKSHOP AT 9:30, GO TO
21:28:44 BE 12:30 AND BE DONE WITH IT.
21:28:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE THIS GAP.
21:28:48 MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ARE HAVING A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP,
21:28:54 DISCUSSING THE CHARTER.
21:28:55 THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WILL STOP AT 12:00.
21:29:01 IF IT RUNS INTO THE AFTERNOON, WE FINISH.
21:29:03 THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT I WAS THINKING.
21:29:06 I DON'T THINK HAVING TWO HOURS --
21:29:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THREE HOURS?
21:29:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE.
21:29:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TALK WITH THE
21:29:16 FAB SILL TATE OR BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A 9 TO 12
21:29:21 WORKSHOP.
21:29:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD.
21:29:26 I THOUGHT IT WASN'T JUST A COUPLE OF HOURS BECAUSE WE HAD
21:29:29 THREE OR FOUR ISSUES, AND A COUPLE OF HOURS WILL TAKE THAT
21:29:33 UP REAL QUICK.
21:29:36 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON MAY
21:29:39 10th?
21:29:41 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, CHAIR?
21:29:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA?
21:29:45 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
21:29:47 I AM LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR ON MAY 10th.
21:29:52 I HAVE GOT TO GET IT BACK UP.
21:29:56 I HAVE A MEDIATION WHERE I AM SERVING MEDIATOR AT 1:30 THAT
21:30:01 DAY IN LAKELAND WHICH WOULD NECESSITY MY LEAVING HERE, IN
21:30:05 THIS CASE ABOUT 12, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE THAT SET ASIDE
21:30:11 FOR THE COMMENDATION MEETING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I CANNOT
21:30:16 STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING SO I REQUEST IT BE DONE ANOTHER
21:30:19 DAY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
21:30:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN
21:30:25 RESOLVE THE FACILITATOR, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MAYBE
21:30:29 I MISUNDERSTOOD, WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE A MORNING WORKSHOP.
21:30:32 BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A NIGHT MEETING THAT NIGHT AS WELL.
21:30:35 >>BILL CARLSON: IN A WORST-CASE SCENARIO WE CAN DO IT
21:30:40 WITHOUT A FACILITATOR BUT TO FIND A DATE.
21:30:43 WHAT ABOUT MAY 19th?
21:30:45 IT LOOKS LIKE WE ONLY HAVE ONE.
21:30:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY 19th, THAT'S ALSO LATE.
21:30:52 I WOULD RATHER DO IT EARLIER IF WE COULD.
21:30:55 MAY 19th IS A REGULAR SESSION.
21:31:00 SO YOU WOULD HAVE A FULL CONSENT DOCKET THE SECOND READING.
21:31:05 >>BILL CARLSON: UNLESS WE SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT
21:31:07 THEN.
21:31:08 WHY DON'T WE TAKE IT OFFLINE?
21:31:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN TAKE IT OFFLINE I WILL WORK WITH
21:31:13 THE CHAIR TO WORK THIS OUT AND THEN --
21:31:15 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD RATHER DO IT --
21:31:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE PUBLIC IS ASKING.
21:31:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE OTHER
21:31:25 COUNCILMEMBER, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW
21:31:28 COUNCILMEMBER THERE, BUT, I MEAN, I COULD BRING THIS BACK
21:31:32 AND WORK WITH YOU AND BRING THIS BACK FOR NEXT WEEK, OR DO
21:31:34 YOU WANT IT ON FOR THE 7th FOR THE NEW COUNCILMEMBER.
21:31:38 AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO CHOOSE A DATE BUT SEE IF WE CAN GET
21:31:41 IT.
21:31:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE KICKING, KICKING,
21:31:47 KICKING.
21:31:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I APOLOGIZE BUT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT
21:31:51 YOU ARE SAYING, I DO.
21:31:58 DO YOU WANT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE MAY -- I SEE THE APRIL
21:32:01 7th DISCUSSION STAFF REPORT UNDER STAFF REPORTS AS THE
21:32:03 LAST ITEM?
21:32:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 7th UNDER STAFF REPORT, LAST
21:32:08 ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
21:32:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO SET THE DATE FOR THE CHARTER WORKSHOP?
21:32:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
21:32:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
21:32:14 IS THAT A MOTION ON THAT?
21:32:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
21:32:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MADE A MOTION.
21:32:19 SECOND?
21:32:20 SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.
21:32:21 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:32:23 OPPOSED?
21:32:23 MOTION CARRIED.
21:32:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
21:32:29 ALL RIGHT.
21:32:29 MR. VIERA?
21:32:30 >>LUIS VIERA: NOTHING.
21:32:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHOA, AMAZING.
21:32:43 MR. CARLSON?
21:32:44 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE THREE THAT I KIND OF SKETCHED OUT,
21:32:49 AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE THESE, JUST TELL ME.
21:32:52 NUMBER ONE IS I SAW THAT STORY ABOUT THIS NEW PARK IN
21:32:57 CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THE CHAIR OF
21:33:00 THE CRA WAS NOT QUOTED IN THE STORIES.
21:33:04 AND ALTHOUGH THE CRA WAS MENTIONED, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A
21:33:09 CITY PROJECT INSTEAD OF A CRA PROJECT.
21:33:11 ALTHOUGH THIS MAY BE A CRA ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
21:33:15 MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE CRA CHAIR TAKE THE LEAD IN MEDIA
21:33:20 ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARD BEING CITY PROJECTS FUNDED BY THE CRA.
21:33:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'LL SECOND IT.
21:33:30 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF THE MONEY
21:33:36 FROM CRA IS BEING USED TO ENHANCE A CITY FACILITY, THEN THE
21:33:40 CRA IS LEFT OUT, AND IT'S STILL CRA MONEY.
21:33:44 SO THE CRA, IF WE ARE GOING TO JUSTIFY TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE
21:33:47 NEED CRAs, WE NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THE CRA --
21:33:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT GOES BACK TO COMMUNICATION.
21:33:57 THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR HAS DONE TONS OF -- AND THIS COUNCIL HAS
21:34:07 NO ONE TO DEFEND THEM OR TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OR DO
21:34:11 ANYTHING OF THE KIND, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
21:34:14 SO WHEN THERE IS AN ISSUE LIKE THIS HERE, WE SHOULD HAVE A
21:34:20 PERSON THAT CAN BE CONTACTED.
21:34:24 I HAVE SAID THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
21:34:27 THE CITY IS GROWING AND SOMETHING FOR THIS COUNCIL TO THINK
21:34:30 ABOUT BECAUSE WITH ALL THE ISSUES GOING ON, THERE'S NO ONE
21:34:32 TO SPEAK FOR THIS COUNCIL.
21:34:34 THERE'S NO ONE.
21:34:36 AND I SAID IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
21:34:38 AND MOST CITIES, I HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH, THEY HAVE THEIR
21:34:49 OWN STAFF TO HANDLE BUSINESS.
21:34:50 >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE MEANTIME I TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF
21:34:52 STAFF A COUPLE DAYS AGO AND HE COMMITTED TO TRY TO WORK WITH
21:34:56 THESE THINGS, NOT THIS SPECIFICALLY BUT JUST ON BETTER
21:34:59 COMMUNICATIONS.
21:35:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CARLSON.
21:35:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AS A CITY COUNCIL,
21:35:10 BUT THIS IS REALLY A -- IT'S NOT A CRA ISSUE.
21:35:14 >> YOU ARE SITTING AS CITY COUNCIL AND THE PROBLEM IS WHEN
21:35:19 THE CRA, IF WE ARE REQUESTED BY THE CRA IT HAS NO INFLUENCE
21:35:22 OVER THE CITY SO WE ARE ASKING THE CITY COMMUNICATION
21:35:25 DEPARTMENT TO INVITE THE CRA CHAIR.
21:35:30 I AM NOT GOING TO ASK THEM BUT I BET HE WASN'T INVITED.
21:35:34 SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE CITY WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY,
21:35:40 THE HEAD OF THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY WOULD BE INVITED.
21:35:42 WHY WASN'T THE CRA CHAIR INVITED?
21:35:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND --
21:35:49 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT THE CRA CHAIR TAKE THE LEAD IN
21:35:52 ANNOUNCING CRA PROJECTS FUND BY THE CRA.
21:35:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. CARLSON.
21:36:02 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:36:03 MOTION GRANTED.
21:36:03 >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND ONE SIMILAR, AND AGAIN TELL ME IF
21:36:07 YOU ALL DON'T LIKE THIS, ANOTHER STORY TODAY, I HAVE TO READ
21:36:12 THIS TO YOU ALL.
21:36:13 I'M SORRY, IT'S LATE, BUT THIS IS REALLY BAD, THIS IS REALLY
21:36:17 BAD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
21:36:18 IT TALKS ABOUT AN APPEAL, AND I WON'T DISCUSS THE APPEAL,
21:36:21 BUT IT SAYS THE APPEAL COMES AMID WIDESPREAD CRITICISM IN
21:36:25 THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WAS
21:36:29 HANDLING A DEVELOPMENT OATH VOTE OFTEN UNPREDICTABLE,
21:36:32 INVESTORS PURSUED CITIES WITH STABLE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.
21:36:35 THIS IS A POLITICAL ATTACK.
21:36:37 THEY DIDN'T QUOTE WHO SAID THIS.
21:36:39 SO I ASSUME THE REPORTER DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.
21:36:41 BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WE KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING
21:36:45 THIS.
21:36:46 AND IT IS A POLITICAL ATTACK AGAINST THIS CITY COUNCIL.
21:36:51 BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT ABOUT
21:36:54 CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AT
21:36:58 CRITICIZING US OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE
21:37:01 IMPLYING THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL IS GIVING THE DEVELOPMENT
21:37:06 COMMUNITY OF TAMPA A BAD U REPUTATION.
21:37:08 IT'S KNOW IT THIS CITY COUNCIL DOING IT.
21:37:10 IT'S THESE STORIES THAT DOING IT.
21:37:12 BUT THIS COMMENT ONLY APPEARS IN THE BUSINESS JOURNAL IN
21:37:14 THESE STORIES.
21:37:15 SO HOW IS IT THAT DEVELOPERS NATIONALLY WOULD THINK THAT
21:37:19 THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH DEVELOPMENT IN TAMPA, IS BECAUSE THEY
21:37:23 ARE READING THESE STORIES.
21:37:24 AND SO IN A NORMAL COMMUNICATION ENVIRONMENT, WE WOULD ASK
21:37:28 THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT TO GO TALK TO THEM AND SET THE
21:37:30 RECORD STRAIGHT, BECAUSE BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT WIDESPREAD
21:37:34 CRITICISM, IT'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE.
21:37:36 NUMBER TWO, IT'S KNOW IT TRUE BECAUSE WE APPROVE 98, 99%.
21:37:40 IN FACT WE ARE CRITICIZED FOR APPROVING TOO MANY.
21:37:42 AND WE DO HAVE STABLE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.
21:37:45 THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE ARE THOUGHTFUL.
21:37:47 AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSET AND IT'S NOT
21:37:50 RIGHT.
21:37:51 SO AGAIN TELL ME IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS, BUT I WOULD MAKE A
21:37:54 MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, CITY
21:37:57 ATTORNEY, DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND CLERK'S OFFICE MEET TO
21:38:02 REVIEW THE RECORD OF VOTES OF THIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE
21:38:04 DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PRESENT THAT RECORD TO THE REAL
21:38:08 ESTATE REPORTER AND EDITORS OF THE TAMPA BAY BUSINESS
21:38:12 JOURNAL TO CORRECT THE MISREPRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
21:38:14 MADE TO THEM REGARDING THIS COUNCIL'S SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT
21:38:18 AND TO PREVENT HARM TO OUR GREAT CITY'S NATIONAL REPUTATION
21:38:22 CAUSED BY THESE ARTICLES AND REPRESENTATIONS.
21:38:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT
21:38:33 WRITE GOOD OR BAD ABOUT ME --
21:38:38 >>BILL CARLSON: BUT MY POINT, I RESPECT FOUNTAIN YOU GUYS
21:38:41 DON'T THINK -- IN A NORMAL ORGANIZATION, THE COMMUNICATION
21:38:45 DEPARTMENT WOULD GO CORRECT THIS.
21:38:49 WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THESE COMMENTS ARE BEING ALLOWED TO
21:38:52 STAND BECAUSE THEY HURT CITY COUNCIL.
21:38:58 BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS IT HURTS OUR CITY'S REPUTATION.
21:39:02 THERE ARE NATIONAL INVESTORS WHO READ THIS AND THINK THERE'S
21:39:05 A PROBLEM IN THE CITY AND I THINK WE NEED TO CORRECT IT AND
21:39:08 COMMUNICATION DEVELOPMENT.
21:39:11 SO MY REQUEST IS THEY CORRECT THE RECORD, NOT THAT THEY
21:39:14 CRITICIZE ANYBODY.
21:39:15 IT'S NOT CRITICIZING THE REPORTER OR THE EDITORS.
21:39:18 IT'S SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT BECAUSE ONLY A HAND FULL OF
21:39:21 PEOPLE ARE GIVING THEM THIS INFORMATION AND THEY NEED TO
21:39:23 CORRECT IT.
21:39:25 IS THERE A SECOND OR SHOULD WE LET IT DIE?
21:39:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE RIGHT, AND --
21:39:36 >>BILL CARLSON: THEY CAN, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS IF THEY
21:39:38 BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND CITY COUNCIL ARE NOT
21:39:40 ALIGNED, THEN IT'S EASY TO PICK AT CITY COUNCIL.
21:39:43 THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHO GETS HURT IN THE MEANTIME?
21:39:46 THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
21:39:47 OUR COMMUNITY'S REPUTATION IS HURT.
21:39:49 NOT US.
21:39:50 THEY CAN TAKE US OUT IF THEY WANT.
21:39:52 THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES OUT.
21:39:54 WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THE REPUTATION OF
21:39:57 OUR CITY.
21:39:58 AND THESE KIND OF MISREPRESENTATIONS ARE HURTING YOU.
21:40:01 THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT, CLAIMING THAT IT'S HURTING
21:40:03 THE REPUTATION OF OUR CITY, BUT THE WAY THEY ARE TALKING
21:40:08 ABOUT AND MISREPRESENTING IS WHAT'S HURTING OUR CITY.
21:40:10 SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT.
21:40:12 THAT I WILL DROP THE MOTION.
21:40:13 BUT I WOULD JUST REQUEST BETWEEN THE CHIEF OF STAFF,
21:40:15 DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AND THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, PLEASE
21:40:17 PROTECT OUR CITY.
21:40:22 PLEASE PROTECT OUR CITY'S REPUTATION BUT THESE STATEMENTS
21:40:26 ARE NOT TRUE AND IT HURTS OUR CITY.
21:40:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
21:40:36 THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION.
21:40:38 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND --
21:40:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I PROTECT MYSELF.
21:40:45 I TAKE CARE OF ME.
21:40:46 >>BILL CARLSON: SO DEVELOPERS GOOGLE TAMPA DEVELOPMENT.
21:40:51 THESE STORIES ARE GOING TO POP UP.
21:40:53 AND THEY ARE GOING TO THINK THAT TAMPA IS NOT A GOOD PLACE
21:40:56 TO INVEST.
21:40:56 SO FOR GET HOW IT AFFECT US.
21:40:59 IT'S GOING TO HURT OUR CITY.
21:41:00 IT'S GOING TO HURT INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY.
21:41:02 THE LAST ONE IS, AGAIN, YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO
21:41:06 ACCEPT OR NOT.
21:41:06 I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO JAMES SHAW WHO STUDIED OUR
21:41:09 CHARTER BACK, AND HE SAID IN CREATIVE LOAFING THAT OTHER
21:41:16 CITIES, ESPECIALLY SARASOTA, IS A CLOSE EXAMPLE, HAVE A
21:41:20 SPECIFIC ORDINANCE THAT PROTECTS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SUIT
21:41:24 UNDER CHAPTER 119.
21:41:26 SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SEE IF YOU GUYS ACCEPT THIS OR
21:41:28 NOT.
21:41:29 I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE CITY MAKE A MOTION REQUEST THAT THE
21:41:32 CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW THE SARASOTA ORDINANCE AND THOSE OF
21:41:34 OTHER CITIES IN CONSULTATION WITH JAMES SHAW TO CREATE AN
21:41:38 ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DEFEND
21:41:41 ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE CITY WHO ARE SUED UNDER CHAPTER
21:41:44 119.
21:41:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT PROTECTING ANYONE BUT MYSELF.
21:41:52 THE CITY BEARS A RESPONSIBILITY OF ALL OF US IF WE FOLLOW
21:42:00 THE GUIDANCE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
21:42:02 AND I AM NOT GOING TO GO OUT IF I NEED HELP WHEN I DON'T
21:42:06 NEED HELP. IF THEY TELL ME I HAVE GOT TO DO A CERTAIN THING
21:42:09 AND I DISREGARD IT, THEN I HAVE TO THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO
21:42:14 REPRESENT ME.
21:42:14 I DON'T THINK MY OWN ATTORNEY IS GOING TO REPRESENT ME.
21:42:17 IF I HAVE A DOCTOR, THEY GO NO, NO, NO, WHAT ARE THEY GOING
21:42:23 TO TELL ME?
21:42:26 AT THIS TIME SAME THING.
21:42:28 I'M JUST SAYING IT'S THE SAME THING.
21:42:29 I DON'T NEED PROTECTION.
21:42:31 HE DON'T WANT PROTECTION.
21:42:33 I FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES WHETHER I AM HERE, I'M AT THE STATE
21:42:37 OR IN MY OWN.
21:42:38 I FOLLOW MY GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY.
21:42:40 END OF STORY WITH ME.
21:42:41 I'M NOT ASKING NOBODY.
21:42:43 AND IF THEY WANT TO COME AFTER ME, HERE I AM.
21:42:46 I DON'T HAVE TO HIDE.
21:42:48 >>BILL CARLSON: THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T
21:42:51 WANT TO PURCHASE THIS I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO, BUT IT
21:42:55 MAKES SENSE AND I THINK WOULD ALSO PROTECT THE MAYOR.
21:42:59 AND BY THE WAY, IF WE APPROVE THIS, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE
21:43:02 APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.
21:43:06 I MET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THE OTHER DAY AND THE QUESTION
21:43:09 I ASKED WHICH WASN'T ANSWERED, WHAT'S THE FINE LINE?
21:43:12 IF ANY ONE OF US ACCIDENTALLY DELETED ONE TEXT MESSAGE WE
21:43:15 ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE.
21:43:16 SO THEN IS THE CITY ATTORNEY NOT GOING TO PROTECT US?
21:43:21 WHERE IS THE FINE LINE?
21:43:24 IF YOU MEET WITH ONE LOBBYIST AND THE LOBBYIST DOESN'T
21:43:28 REGISTER, OR YOU COULD MAKE THE SMALLEST MISTAKE AND THEY
21:43:32 COULD SAY, OH, YOU BROKE THE RULES, THEN IT LOOKS ARBITRARY,
21:43:35 SO IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
21:43:38 I SPENT 10, 12,000-DOLLAR JUST RESPONDING TO A SUBPOENA AND
21:43:42 DIDN'T GET REIMBURSED.
21:43:44 SO IF ANY ONE OF COUNCILMAN CITRO GET SUED, AND NOT TALKING
21:43:50 ABOUT THE SUIT THAT JUST HAPPENED OR THE SITUATION HA THAT
21:43:54 HAPPENED BUT ANY ONE OF US COULD.
21:43:55 RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO PROTECTION.
21:43:57 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, MR. CHAIR?
21:44:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
21:44:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
21:44:06 I WOULD WANT TO LOOK INTO THIS MORE BEFORE VOTING ON IT
21:44:10 MYSELF, BUT AT A LATER TIME WHEN I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE
21:44:14 ISSUE IN THAT LINE.
21:44:17 AGAIN, BEFORE GOING DOWN THIS STEP I WANT TO DO MORE
21:44:21 INVESTIGATION ON THIS ISSUE.
21:44:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT BE DONE, MR.
21:44:26 VIERA?
21:44:27 HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT BE DONE, SIR?
21:44:32 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST INDIVIDUALLY, ON MY OWN, ON MY OWN.
21:44:37 IN OTHER WORDS, BEFORE VOTING ON THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO
21:44:39 CONSULT WITH PEOPLE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
21:44:42 I DON'T WANT TO START SOMETHING GOING THAT MAY BE
21:44:46 UNNECESSARY, OR THAT MAY BE NECESSARY, AND VOTE AGAINST IT.
21:44:51 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL BE HAPPY TO WITHDRAW
21:44:53 IT AND SEND IT AS AN E-MAIL.
21:44:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WE HAVE GOT A CITY COUNCIL
21:44:57 ATTORNEY AND THAT'S HIS JOB TO LOOK INTO THOSE ISSUES TO
21:45:00 GIVE THIS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ON IT.
21:45:03 INDIVIDUALLY, THAT'S HIS JOB TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHERS ARE
21:45:07 DOING, OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
21:45:10 THAT'S MY OPINION.
21:45:13 BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH MR. SHELBY LOOKING INTO IT.
21:45:17 IF YOU WANT INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION, YOU CAN DO IT.
21:45:21 BUT I THINK --
21:45:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WITH
21:45:28 THE APPROVAL OF COUNCIL, WHAT I WILL DO IS REACH OUT TO THE
21:45:31 LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECTION OF THE FLORIDA BAR AND JUST POSE
21:45:34 THE QUESTION TO SEE WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER
21:45:37 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE DOING.
21:45:40 TO SEE WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE I GET.
21:45:42 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT IF I PUT ON THE AGENDA, CAN YOU
21:45:45 DO IT BY NEXT WEEK?
21:45:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NEXT WEEK?
21:45:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 7th IS THE NEXT.
21:45:55 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL
21:45:58 ATTORNEY TO COME BACK TO US APRIL 7th TO GIVE US HIS
21:46:01 ADVICE ON WHETHER WE SHOULD --
21:46:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MR. CHAIRMAN, ALSO TO FOLLOW UP, I
21:46:09 HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH WITH REGARD TO INSURANCE CARRIERS
21:46:12 THAT DO THAT SORT OF THING.
21:46:14 BUT THE QUESTION IS, IN THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AS OPPOSED
21:46:17 TO A CITY MANAGER, I HAVE ONLY BEGUN THAT DISCUSSION, BUT IF
21:46:23 THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WISHES, THAT WILL BE FINE.
21:46:24 I CAN DO IT INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU LIKE.
21:46:26 BUT I AM GOING TO PUT OUT THAT WORD AND SEE WHAT KIND OF
21:46:29 RESPONSE I GET FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECTION.
21:46:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY OPINION, I THINK YOU ARE THE CITY
21:46:37 COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
21:46:37 YOU SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, RIGHT,
21:46:41 WRONG, INDIFFERENT, THINGS HAPPEN.
21:46:43 SO LOOK INTO AND BRING BACK INFORMATION, THERE'S NOTHING
21:46:47 WRONG WITH GIVING US INFORMATION.
21:46:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOME TIME AGO,
21:46:51 ACTUALLY, I REACHED OUT TO THE RISK MANAGER FOR THE CITY
21:46:56 BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS INSURANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE PROCESSED
21:47:00 THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION, OR I ASSUME WOULD HAVE TO BE
21:47:02 BUDGED, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IF IT WERE AVAILABLE.
21:47:06 SO WHEN I DID SEND THE E-MAIL TO THE RISK MANAGER, I GOT THE
21:47:14 RESPONSE FROM MS. GRIMES WITH THE INFORMATION, BUT IT REALLY
21:47:18 DIDN'T GO MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT.
21:47:20 SO I JUST WANT TO --
21:47:21 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET A COPY OF THE
21:47:23 POLICY BECAUSE THE POLICY UP TO 3500 THAT YOU SHOULD BE THE
21:47:27 SAME THING APPLICABLE LESS THAN 500 THAT YOU.
21:47:30 BUT CAN I PASS A SIMPLE MOTION TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY,
21:47:34 CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, TO REPRESENT BACK TO US ON APRIL
21:47:37 7th ABOUT HIS ADVICE REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD
21:47:41 PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT CITY COUNCIL UNDER CHAPTER
21:47:45 119?
21:47:47 >> SECOND.
21:47:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND I HAVE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE CITY
21:47:51 ATTORNEY IN SARASOTA, BECAUSE I WAS AWARE OF THAT AS WELL,
21:47:54 WITH REGARD TO SOME SORT OF ORDINANCE.
21:47:58 OR AT LEAST THE DISCUSSION.
21:47:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
21:48:01 MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.
21:48:02 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
21:48:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:48:06 ANY OPPOSED?
21:48:08 ALL RIGHT.
21:48:08 MOTION GRANTED.
21:48:09 NOTHING WRONG WITH DISCUSSION.
21:48:11 JUST GIVE US INFORMATION.
21:48:12 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY WE CAN'T --
21:48:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST ASKING FOR A SOLUTION, THAT'S ALL.
21:48:21 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
21:48:23 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S IT.
21:48:24 THANK YOU.
21:48:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT
21:48:36 A COMMENDATION TO ALTAFHUSEN BUKHARI. HE'S A VERY CAPABLE
21:48:43 PE ENGINEER III WHO OFFICIALLY RETIRED FROM THE CITY OF
21:48:45 TAMPA MOBILITY DEPARTMENT ON MARCH 1st, 2022, MR.
21:48:49 BUKHARI IS BEING HONORED FOR HIS OUTSTANDING, AND HIS
21:48:55 ABILITY TO ENSURE TAMPA'S MOVABLE BRIDGES, SEAWALLS AND
21:48:59 ROADWAYS ARE SAFE, BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR 36 YEARS AND I
21:49:04 WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS COMMENDATION ON TUESDAY, APRIL 12TH,
21:49:08 2022.
21:49:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
21:49:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:49:11 OPPOSED?
21:49:11 MOTION GRANTED.
21:49:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM NUMBER 2, A MOTION FOR
21:49:15 COMMENDATION, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A
21:49:18 COMMENDATION RECOGNIZING APRIL AS THE NATIONAL MINORITY
21:49:21 CANCER AWARENESS MONTH, AND THE GEORGE EDGECOMB SOCIETY AT
21:49:27 MOFFITT CANCER CENTER HOSTING ITS SECOND ANNUAL VIRTUAL
21:49:30 EVENT ON APRIL 28, 2022.
21:49:32 THAT WILL HELP IN RESEARCH.
21:49:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
21:49:39 MOTION GRANTED.
21:49:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT
21:49:43 A COMMENDATION TO RYAN MANASSE WHO WILL BE LEAVING THE CITY
21:49:47 LATER THIS MONTH TO WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
21:49:50 RYAN WAS TAUGHT BY THE BEST, IN MY OPINION, GLORIA MOREDA,
21:49:53 AND HE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.
21:49:55 WE WILL MISS HIM.
21:49:56 I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION TO RYAN MANASSE ON
21:49:59 TUESDAY, APRIL 12TH, 2022.
21:50:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WOW.
21:50:02 SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
21:50:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:50:06 ANY OPPOSED?
21:50:07 MOTION GRANTED.
21:50:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING, SIR?
21:50:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
21:50:19 COMMENDATION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE TAMPA ALUMNAE
21:50:20 DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INCORPORATED, IN CELEBRATION OF
21:50:22 THEIR CHANPTER'S 75TH ANNIVERSARY AT THEIR EVENT ON APRIL
21:50:25 9th, 2022.
21:50:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN GUDES, SECOND FROM
21:50:31 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
21:50:31 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:50:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION, OR REGIONAL
21:50:37 HERE, THE NATIONAL PRESIDENT.
21:50:44 SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THE
21:50:47 ADMINISTRATION LOOK INTO AN HONORARY RENAMING OF GOVERNOR
21:50:51 STREET THAT RUNS IN FRONT OF ST. PETER CLAVER CATHOLIC
21:50:55 SCHOOL TO YVONNE D. FORT STREET IN HONOR OF YVONNE D. FORT
21:50:55 FOR HER 32 YEARS OF DEDICATION AND SERVICE AS A TEACHER THAT
21:50:59 TAUGHT SOME OF TAMPA'S BRIGHTEST STUDENTS IN THE AREA.
21:51:02 A REPORT BE BROUGH BEFORE COUNCIL ON MAY 5, 2022 UNDER STAFF
21:51:06 REPORTS.
21:51:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY CHAIRMAN GUDES.
21:51:10 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
21:51:12 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:51:13 ALL RIGHT.
21:51:14 MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
21:51:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
21:51:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE STAND ADJOURNED.
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