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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MARCH 24, 2022
5:01 P.M.



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17:10:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL COME TO ORDER ON

17:10:08 MARCH 24, 2022.

17:10:12 MR. MANISCALCO, IF YOU GIVE A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE.

17:10:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

17:10:16 WE DID NOT HAVE A MORNING MEETING TODAY, WHICH IS

17:10:19 UNUSUAL THAT WE DO IT FOR AN EVENING MEETING.

17:10:22 BUT IF WE CAN HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE SINCE WE DID NOT

17:10:24 HAVE INVOCATION.

17:10:26 [MOMENT OF SILENCE]

17:10:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

17:10:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO HAS THE BOY SCOUTS COMING.

17:10:42 SO IF THEY DO COME, WE WILL DO A TIME TO DO THE PLEDGE

17:10:43 OF ALLEGIANCE.

17:10:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

17:10:48 A MIX-UP ON THE TIME THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.

17:10:51 BUT IF YOU WOULD GIVE ME ENOUGH TIME WHEN THEY DO

17:10:55 ARRIVE TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AND LET THEM HAVE

17:10:55 TWO SECONDS.

17:10:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ABSOLUTELY.

17:10:58 ROLL CALL.

17:11:00 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

17:11:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

17:11:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

17:11:03 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

17:11:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

17:11:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

17:11:10 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

17:11:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.

17:11:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, MARTIN

17:11:20 SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.

17:11:28 THURSDAY, MARCH 24, 2022, AND WE ARE HERE IN CITY HALL

17:11:29 IN PERSON.

17:11:35 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN EITHER ATTEND IN PERSON OR BY

17:11:39 DOING SO VIRTUALLY THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING AS

17:11:44 FLORIDA STATUTES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.

17:11:47 BE ADVISED THAT THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE

17:11:50 TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW ON FRONTIER CHANNEL 16 AND ON

17:11:56 THE INTERNET AT TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM NOW REGISTRATION

17:11:59 IS NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN A PUBLIC

17:12:02 HEARING ON QUASIJUDICIAL LEGISLATIVE MATTER.

17:12:05 FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE INFORMATION TO DO SO

17:12:08 INCLUDING SCHEDULE AND LINKS AND DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS,

17:12:17 THE WEB SITE IS TAMPA.GOV/QUASI, Q-U-A-S-I, QUASI, AND

17:12:22 AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT

17:12:26 TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.

17:12:29 IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE VIA CMT, YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS

17:12:35 TO A COMMUNICATION MEDIA DEVICE WITH A CAMERA AND COMPUTER

17:12:38 AND EQUIPPED WITH MICROPHONE TO BE HEARD AND SEEN BY

17:12:40 VIDEO AND AUDIO FOR CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER

17:12:41 PARTICIPANTS.

17:12:45 FOR THE SPECIFIC TWO-WAY VIDEO, CELL PHONES AND

17:12:49 SMARTPHONES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE AS THEY WILL NOT ALLOW

17:12:52 YOU TO SHARE YOUR CAMERA WHEN CONNECTED.

17:12:55 NOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE AS I SAID ON THE

17:12:58 CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AND FOR THE PURPOSES ARE OF THE

17:13:01 RECORD, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST MOVE THAT INTO

17:13:04 THE RECORD TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED LATER -- CAN WE DO

17:13:05 THAT NOW.

17:13:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION.

17:13:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

17:13:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.

17:13:10 OPPOSED?

17:13:10 MOTION GRANTED.

17:13:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE WE GO ON TO TONIGHT'S HEARING,

17:13:19 A REMINDER OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION, COUNCIL.

17:13:24 IF YOU HAD EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, VERBAL OR TEXT OR

17:13:28 ANYTHING THAT HAS NOT PUT IN THE QUASI BOX OR UPLOADED

17:13:31 FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION, MAKE SURE DO YOU SO BEFORE THE

17:13:31 HEARING STARTS.

17:13:34 ALSO, IF YOU RECEIVE -- AND I AM GOING TO ASK THE

17:13:38 PUBLIC TO PLEASE AVOID COMMUNICATING WITH CITY COUNCIL

17:13:40 MEMBERS ELECTRONICALLY DURING THE MEETING, AND I ASK

17:13:43 COUNCIL TO AVOID LOOKING AT THOSE.

17:13:45 THAT WILL BE INAPPROPRIATE.

17:13:47 THERE IS A DEADLINE INVOLVED, AND THIS IS IN THE

17:13:47 INSTRUCTIONS.

17:13:50 ALSO, WITH REGARD TO THE GO TO MEETING PLATFORM FOR

17:13:54 THOSE OF YOU IN THE PUBLIC ON THE GO TO MEETING

17:13:57 PLATFORM, THAT IS A CHAT BOX BUT NOT USED TO

17:14:00 COMMUNICATE WITH CITY COUNCIL ON ANYTHING RELATING TO

17:14:01 THE SUBJECT OF THE HEARING.

17:14:04 ONLY TO BE USED IF NEEDED FOR TECHNICAL ISSUES AND

17:14:06 REMAIN MINDFUL OF THAT.

17:14:09 ALSO I BELIEVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT MR. VIERA IS

17:14:11 APPEARING VIRTUALLY TONIGHT.

17:14:15 SO, THEREFORE, WITH REGARD TO VOTES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO

17:14:18 BE ROLL CALL VOTES TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS PARTICIPATION.

17:14:22 AND BECAUSE WE ARE STILL USING CMT AND HAVE YET TO

17:14:25 UPDATE THE COUNCIL'S RULES, CONSISTENT WITH THE RULES

17:14:28 AND ADVICE I HAVE EXPRESSED AND PUTTING INTO THE

17:14:31 RECORD, I WILL ASK THAT YOU WAIVE YOUR STANDING RULES

17:14:34 AND ADOPT THE RULES FOR CMT TONIGHT.

17:14:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.

17:14:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

17:14:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.

17:14:39 OPPOSED.

17:14:41 MOTION CARRIED.

17:14:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

17:14:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

17:14:49 ITEM NUMBER 1.

17:14:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAS OPENED.

17:14:59 SECONDED BY CITRO.

17:15:00 IN FAVOR.

17:15:02 OPPOSED.

17:15:03 MOTION GRANTED.

17:15:04 SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.

17:15:06 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL

17:15:07 DEPARTMENT.

17:15:11 ITEM NUMBER 1, COUNCILMEMBERS IS AN AMENDMENT OR FIRST

17:15:14 AMENDMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY

17:15:18 OF TAMPA AND TAMPA BAY 1 LCC, THE DEVELOPER MIDTOWN AND

17:15:22 THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RELATES TO THE MIDTOWN

17:15:23 DEVELOPMENT.

17:15:26 PURSUANT TO THE MIDTOWN PLAT, A PERMANENT NONEXCLUSIVE

17:15:30 30-FOOT EASEMENT FOR STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE USE.

17:15:33 THE DEVELOPER HAS REQUESTED ALLOWANCE FOR ANA LIMITED

17:15:38 ENCROACHMENT INTO THIS DRAINAGE EASEMENT AREA FOR THE

17:15:41 PURPOSE OF PUTTING A CANOPY STRUCTURE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

17:15:43 UNDER THE PLAT, ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE DRAINAGE

17:15:47 EASEMENT AREAS ARE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS THEY ARE ALLOWED

17:15:49 IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT

17:15:52 AGREEMENT DOES NOT ALLOW THE ENCROACHMENT THAT

17:15:54 DEVELOPERS ALLOW.

17:15:57 THE FIRST AMENDMENT ALLOWS FOR THAT ENCROACHMENT, AND WE

17:16:00 HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF, STORMWATER DEPARTMENT STAFF,

17:16:04 AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALLOWING THIS LIMITED

17:16:07 ENCROACHMENT INTO THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AREA.

17:16:10 I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE DEVELOPER'S

17:16:12 REPRESENTATIVE MARK BENTLEY IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY

17:16:13 QUESTIONS FOR HIM A.

17:16:17 AND PUBLIC HEARING PURSUANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT

17:16:19 AGREEMENT ACT.

17:16:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS VELEZ.

17:16:26 IF NOT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

17:16:27 >> THANK YOU, SUSAN.

17:16:31 MY NAME IS MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET,

17:16:34 33602.

17:16:38 I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER TAMPA BAY ONE ALSO KNOWN AS

17:16:38 MIDTOWN.

17:16:40 WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHEN WE ZONED

17:16:44 THE PROPERTY IN 2018 IS JUST FOR A COUPLE OF MINOR

17:16:47 ENCROACHMENTS FOR AWNING FOR RETAIL AND ENCROACHMENT

17:16:50 INTO A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

17:16:52 UNDER THE AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU, THE CITY HAS THE

17:16:56 ABILITY TO REQUEST THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BE REMOVED AT ANY

17:16:57 POINT IN TIME.

17:17:00 WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE.

17:17:09 I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK LOOK HERE.

17:17:13 THE OVERHEAD.

17:17:17 SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

17:17:18 YOU CAN SEE THIS PICTURE HERE.

17:17:21 KIND OF A BETTER WAY.

17:17:23 THIS IS AN OVERHANG.

17:17:26 FOR THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT, I WILL CALL IT.

17:17:30 AND JUST A MINOR AREA IN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

17:17:31 WE HAVE THIS RETAIL HERE.

17:17:33 YOU SEE THIS OVERHANG HERE.

17:17:36 THAT IS TECHNICALLY A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS WELL.

17:17:39 YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS SUPPORTED HERE, AT LEAST

17:17:39 TEMPORARILY.

17:17:42 THOSE ARE REMOVABLE SUPPORTS.

17:17:44 THAT IS WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS ABOUT.

17:17:45 ANY QUESTIONS.

17:17:48 LIKE SUSAN INDICATED ALL THE STAFF REVIEWED IT AND THEY

17:17:50 CONCUR AND SUPPORT IT.

17:17:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, WE ARE RECOGNIZED.

17:17:56 [INAUDIBLE]

17:17:57 >> PARDON ME.

17:17:58 >> YES, THERE IS.

17:18:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.

17:18:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE FOR MR. BENTLEY?

17:18:05 ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

17:18:13 SEEING NONE.

17:18:16 >>CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

17:18:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION.

17:18:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

17:18:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION GRANTED.

17:18:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD FOR THIS ITEM, NO ACTION

17:18:30 TO BE TAKEN AT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

17:18:33 I ASK THAT THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TO BE ANNOUNCED BY

17:18:34 THE CLERK.

17:18:35 AND THAT WILL BE --

17:18:38 >>CLERK: THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD APRIL

17:18:41 7 AT 9:30 A.M.

17:18:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 2022.

17:18:45 >>CLERK: 2022, YES.

17:18:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND AT

17:18:53 THAT TIME, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, THERE WILL BE AGREEMENT TO

17:18:54 TAKE ACTION ON.

17:18:56 THANK YOU.

17:19:02 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

17:19:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, THE ITEMS --

17:19:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: STATUTORILY, YOU CONDUCTED YOUR FIRST

17:19:10 PUBLIC HEARING.

17:19:13 MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.

17:19:15 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL

17:19:16 DEPARTMENT.

17:19:20 THE FIRST OF TWO REQUIRED STATUTORY HEARINGs.

17:19:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

17:19:23 ITEM NUMBER 2.

17:19:25 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING

17:19:26 COMMISSION STAFF.

17:19:28 I AM HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH IS A PLAN

17:19:29 AMENDMENT.

17:19:32 AND I WILL SHARE THE SCREEN WHENEVER I HAVE PERMISSION

17:19:32 TO.

17:19:41 THIS IS THE PLAN AMENDMENT TA/CPA 21-25.

17:19:43 IT IS PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.

17:19:49 SMALL SCALE AT 7.65 ACRES AND THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU

17:19:53 IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 TO REGIONAL MIXED USE-100.

17:19:55 LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT WITHIN

17:20:00 THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND YBOR PARK URBAN VILLAGE.

17:20:05 THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN THE YELLOW.

17:20:08 THE YELLOW DASHED LINE REPRESENTS THE YBOR HISTORIC

17:20:12 DISTRICT.

17:20:16 AND DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.

17:20:19 THERE IS NUCCIO PARKWAY TO THE SOUTH.

17:20:21 EAST AVENUE TO THE NORTH AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS

17:20:25 LOCATED FURTHER SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND YBOR IS

17:20:29 LOCATED NORTH AND NORTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

17:20:34 THIS IS THE TAMPA PARK PROPERTY.

17:20:37 TAMPA PARK APARTMENTS SOUTH.

17:20:40 THERE ARE SOME PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN SEVERAL MONTHS

17:20:45 AGO SO I THINK THINGS HAVE RAPIDLY CHANGED SINCE THEN.

17:20:49 WE ARE LOOKING EAST TO THE SUBJECT SITE FROM EAST

17:20:50 MARYLAND AVENUE.

17:20:53 THIS ONE WE ARE LOOKING WEST TOWARD THE SUBJECT SITE

17:20:56 FROM NUCCIO PARKWAY.

17:20:59 LOOKING NORTH TORWARD THE SUBJECT SITE FROM EAST SCOTT

17:21:00 DRIVE.

17:21:04 LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARD BT WASHINGTON ELEMENTARY

17:21:06 SCHOOL FROM THE INTERSECTION OF EAST SCOTT STREET AND

17:21:08 EAST SCOTT DRIVE.

17:21:12 AND HERE IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

17:21:16 SO THE THREE PARCELS ARE COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.

17:21:24 AND I WILL NOTE THAT TO THE NORTH, TWO PARCELS OF THE

17:21:28 NORTH AND IT HAS NOT YET BEEN ADOPTED -- HAS NOT YET

17:21:32 BEEN REFLECTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE WE

17:21:35 HAVE TO UPDATE THOSE QUARTERLY.

17:21:39 PARK NORTH WHICH IS URBAN MIXED USE-60 AND THE THREE

17:21:40 PARCELS TO THE SOUTH.

17:21:44 THE GREEN IS A PARK THAT WAS ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED UNDER

17:21:49 THE PARK PROJECT -- TAMPA PARK PARK, I BELIEVE.

17:21:51 WE HAVE REGIONAL MIXED USE-100 IN THE AREA.

17:21:54 SOME REMAINING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT IS THE GRAY

17:21:55 COLOR.

17:21:58 THE DARK MAROON.

17:22:02 AND URBAN MIXED USE-60 NORTH OF 8TH STREET.

17:22:04 AND THEN THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP WILL

17:22:09 RECOGNIZE THESE PARCELS UNDER THE MIXED REGIONAL 100

17:22:11 LAND USE DESIGNATION.

17:22:14 AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF THAT IN THE

17:22:15 SURROUNDING AREA ALREADY.

17:22:18 THIS WOULD INCREASE THE IMPACT -- THE DEVELOPMENT

17:22:24 POTENTIAL FROM ABOUT 267 UNITS TO 765 UNITS.

17:22:26 WILL ALSO GREATLY INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM

17:22:32 600,000 SQUARE FEET TO MILLION SQUARE FEET AND WILL

17:22:37 OFFER DENSITY AND INTENSITY AND INTRODUCE THE RM-35,

17:22:43 THE RM-50, THE RM 75 AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING

17:22:46 DISTRICT WILL BE ALLOWED IF THIS IS APPROVED -- OR WILL

17:22:47 BE CONSIDERED.

17:22:49 THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOUND THIS CONSISTENT

17:22:53 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RELATED TO THE CITY'S

17:22:56 DESIGN POLICY AND CITY'S PLANNING STRATEGY.

17:22:58 THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH

17:23:01 THE FACT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THE

17:23:04 CITY'S POPULATION WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND HOUSING

17:23:07 OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE CREATED TO MEET THE PRESENT --

17:23:10 THE NEEDS OF ITS PRESENT AND FUTURE POPULATION.

17:23:14 A POLICY IN THE PLAN TO HAVE THEM GO TOWARD URBAN

17:23:18 VILLAGES AND LOCATED IN AN URBAN VILLAGE.

17:23:22 THIS WILL -- ALSO, THERE ARE PARCELS RM-100.

17:23:27 TO THE EAST 400 -- YES, I APOLOGIZE.

17:23:31 TO THE EAST ABOUT 400 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.

17:23:34 WE FOUND IT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE UNDERLYING.

17:23:37 WITH THE SURROUNDING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.

17:23:41 WE FOUND THAT WILL PROVIDE CONTINUITY OF THE RMU-100.

17:23:44 AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SENSITIVITY TO THE AREA, LOWER

17:23:47 INTENSITY LAND USES.

17:23:50 ONE LAST THING SINCE IT IS ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE YBOR

17:23:52 LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

17:23:55 ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON-SITE WILL NEED TO ASSURE IT

17:23:58 IS NOT GOING TO EFFECT THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BY

17:24:04 CREATING AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION THAT IS APPROPRIATE,

17:24:07 COMPATIBLE.

17:24:09 AND PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE THIS CONSISTENT.

17:24:12 STAFF IS ON THE LINE.

17:24:15 AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS AS WELL.

17:24:17 AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

17:24:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AVAILABLE.

17:24:22 ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE?

17:24:27 ALL RIGHT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

17:24:28 >> TYLER HUDSON.

17:24:31 MY ADDRESS 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.

17:24:34 IT IS WONDERFUL TO BE BACK IN THIS ROOM AGAIN.

17:24:35 IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.

17:24:48 I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE.

17:25:08 CAN YOU SEE THIS?

17:25:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE IT, SIR.

17:25:12 >> JUST TO GO ON TOP OF WHAT JENNIFER SAID.

17:25:17 THE AREA SHADED IN BLUE IS THE GAS WORX PROJECT THAT

17:25:18 COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH.

17:25:21 THE YELLOW DOTTED LINE IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

17:25:23 WHAT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR OF THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION

17:25:26 THAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS REALLY A

17:25:30 CONTINUATION OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ONE APPLICATION

17:25:34 THAT GOT SPLIT INTO TWO FOR REASONS I WILL GO INTO FOR

17:25:36 A SECOND.

17:25:40 TA/CPA 21-20.

17:25:43 THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL IN JANUARY.

17:25:46 ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THIS AS ONE ENTIRE ACTION.

17:25:49 THE COUNCIL MAY RECALL THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED THE

17:25:52 PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT THAT UNDER STATE LAW,

17:25:55 YOU WILL HAVE TO ADOPT INTO A TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

17:25:57 THAT CREATED SOME TIMING ISSUES FOR A LOT OF AMENDMENTS

17:26:03 AND FOR REASONS.

17:26:07 SURROUNDED BY TRAVELERS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WE HAD TO

17:26:12 BREAK THE AMENDMENT INTO TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.

17:26:16 AND THE PORTIONS THAT ARE NEXT TO THE GREEN AREAS,

17:26:18 LABELED ONE, TWO AND THREE.

17:26:22 JENNIFER HIT THE KEY BASES.

17:26:25 IT IS TO THE EAST, SOUTHEAST AND TO THE WEST OF THE

17:26:26 SITE.

17:26:30 THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONSISTENCY FINDING UNANIMOUSLY

17:26:33 ON VALENTINE'S DAY OF THIS YEAR.

17:26:36 THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED CONSISTENCY.

17:26:40 THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE THAT I HAVE TO SHOW.

17:26:42 AND THIS IS FROM 2006.

17:26:46 THIS IS THE CRA PLAN THAT THE -- THAT YOUR PREDECESSOR

17:26:52 SITTING FOR THE CRA ADOPTED FOR CENTRAL PARK AND SHOW

17:26:57 THIS PRECISE SITE AS BEING -- RECOMMENDING RMU-100 FROM

17:26:59 A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE.

17:27:05 I AM NOT SURE 16 YEARS AGO YOUR -- IT WAS ON CRA THE

17:27:07 PREDECESSORS WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THE GROWTH THAT THE

17:27:10 CITY WOULD EXPERIENCE AND WE BELIEVE IT IS AN

17:27:14 APPROPRIATE DENSIFICATION FOR THE PARCELS THAT YOUR

17:27:16 EXPERT STAFF AGREES.

17:27:16 THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGREES.

17:27:19 AND ALL OF THIS DENSITY THAT YOU SEE IN THE

17:27:23 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA WILL GET IMPLEMENTED

17:27:27 BY ZONING AS IS WELL AWARE.

17:27:31 THIS SITE IS THE SUBJECT OF A PENDING REZONING 21-114

17:27:34 THAT WILL COME TO YOU IN THE FUTURE.

17:27:38 FILED AND A PD FOR GAS WORX THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE AND

17:27:42 WHERE THE DETAILS WILL GET FLESHED OUT AND WHAT TO DO

17:27:43 WITH THE DENSITY.

17:27:45 WE ARE ASKING TO YOU APPROVE THE CONTINUATION OF

17:27:48 ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THIS APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF

17:27:49 DENSITY.

17:27:51 AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT

17:27:51 HAVE.

17:27:53 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

17:27:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?

17:27:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR.

17:28:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

17:28:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD, MR. CARLSON.

17:28:07 >>BILL CARLSON: MISS MALONE MENTIONED THE ARC.

17:28:11 THEY DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION, BUT SOMETHING -- IF IT IS

17:28:17 NOT APPLICABLE, SINCE SHE MENTIONED IT, CAN YOU

17:28:17 EXPLAIN?

17:28:19 >> CERTAINLY APPLICABLE.

17:28:23 LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION INCLUDING ZONINGS NEED TO

17:28:25 BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

17:28:28 THE LAND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ISN'T IN THE YBOR

17:28:31 CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS

17:28:37 REPLETE WITH PROS YOU NEED TO BE SENSITIVE ON THE

17:28:41 PERIPHERY OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND WHAT THIS SITE WILL

17:28:45 NEED TO SHOW IN ORDER TO GET THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT.

17:28:49 JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT DOESN'T

17:28:52 MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T BE MINDFUL.

17:28:55 AND AN AREA WHERE YOU WILL HAVE HIGH DENSITY

17:28:58 REQUIREMENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WILL BE ON AN

17:29:00 APPLICANT IN A REZONING FOR THIS LAND TO SHOW THAT YOU

17:29:03 IT HAS BEEN APPROPRIATELY TAILORED.

17:29:04 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.

17:29:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOING SOMEWHERE SIMILAR TO THAT VEIN.

17:29:11 IN COMPARISON TO ENCORE, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE

17:29:14 STREET, WHICH IS ALSO UNDER THE CRA, WOULD THIS BE

17:29:15 CONSISTENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENCES THAT ARE

17:29:22 ALLOWED IN ENCORE -- THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN ENCORE?

17:29:25 >> I AM NOT SURE -- JENNIFER -- IN MY VIEW, YES, IT

17:29:28 WILL BE, ALL OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS RMU-100.

17:29:31 I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH ENCORE

17:29:34 ALL OF WHICH -- THIS IS IN THE SAME CRA AS ENCORE,

17:29:36 CENTRAL PARK.

17:29:38 SO JUST EXTENDING --

17:29:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST TRYING GET A LITTLE COMPARISON.

17:29:45 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

17:29:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?

17:29:53 SEEING NONE.

17:29:55 ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

17:29:59 ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

17:30:06 >>CLERK: JEAN STROHMEYER BUT SHE IS NOT LOGGED ON.

17:30:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION.

17:30:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

17:30:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION GRANTED.

17:30:12 MR. CARLSON, TAKE NUMBER 2.

17:30:16 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER

17:30:27 TA/CPA 21-25, IMAGINE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE

17:30:36 LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY

17:30:41 GA MILLION COURT AND 1314 NUCCIO PARKWAY FROM COMMUNITY

17:30:46 MIXED USE-35, TO REGIONAL MIXED USE-100, PROVIDING FOR

17:30:51 REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND PROVIDED FOR SEVERABILITY

17:30:55 PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.

17:31:00 JUST TO ADD THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND CONSISTENT.

17:31:03 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

17:31:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

17:31:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

17:31:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

17:31:20 >>BILL CARLSON: SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT GOMILLION IS.

17:31:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAY BE ONE OF THE COURTS IN TAMPA

17:31:23 PARK.

17:31:26 >>BILL CARLSON: THE NAME OF SOMEBODY, DO YOU KNOW?

17:31:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.

17:31:33 >>BILL CARLSON: ALL THESE HISTORIANS AND NOBODY KNOWS.

17:31:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE NAMES IN THE OLD TAMPA PARK PLAZA

17:31:39 ARE NAMED AFTER SOMEBODY.

17:31:41 >>BILL CARLSON: IF ANYBODY WATCHING HAS IT, PLEASE

17:31:44 E-MAIL US.

17:31:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 3.

17:31:49 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE AGAIN.

17:31:56 NUMBER 3 IS TA/CPA 21-28 LOCATED ON CLUSTER AVENUE IN THE

17:32:00 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE IN THE OLD SEMINOLE

17:32:01 HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.

17:32:04 HERE IT IS OUTLINED IN BLUE THIS TIME EAST OF NORTH

17:32:11 FLORIDA AVENUE BO'S ICE CREAM SHOP LOCATED TO THE

17:32:11 SOUTH.

17:32:14 SELF-STORAGE FACILITY TO THE NORTH ALONG NORTH FLORIDA

17:32:18 AVENUE AND A VARIETY OF USES, COMMERCIAL USES, CAR

17:32:18 DEALERSHIPS --

17:32:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE SECOND.

17:32:24 CCTV, OUR MONITORS ARE NOT WORKING -- HERE WE GO.

17:32:25 YOU MAY CONTINUE.

17:32:27 >>JENNIFER MALONE: OKAY.

17:32:30 SO AS WE CAN SEE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN

17:32:32 BLUE, EAST OF NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.

17:32:35 I WILL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO TAKE IN THE AERIAL, BUT

17:32:39 THERE IS A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY, SOME CAR DEALERSHIPS,

17:32:42 AND THE AMERICAN LEGION PARK IN THE AREA AS WELL, THEN

17:32:45 ALONG EAST CLUSTER WHICH IS WHERE THE SUBJECT SITE IS

17:32:51 LOCATED A LOT OF SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.

17:32:55 IT IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT, PRIVATELY INITIATED.

17:32:59 .35 ACRE FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20.

17:33:02 THIS IS ONE OF THE SUBJECT SITES.

17:33:05 THE SUBJECT SITE BUT TWO PARCELS.

17:33:07 203 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.

17:33:11 THIS IS 201 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.

17:33:14 THIS IS THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN

17:33:17 IDEA WHAT IS ALONG EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.

17:33:20 AND THEN THIS IS FACING EAST.

17:33:24 SO NORTH FLORIDA IS BEHIND ME WHEN I TOOK THIS PICTURE.

17:33:26 AND THEN THIS IS ONE BLOCK TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE

17:33:31 JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA FACING WEST.

17:33:34 AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE VERY CLOSE ALONG NORTH

17:33:36 FLORIDA AVENUE.

17:33:40 SO THIS IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS YOU CAN

17:33:41 SEE.

17:33:41 RESIDENTIAL-10.

17:33:45 IT IS ALSO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35 ALONG NORTH FLORIDA

17:33:46 AVENUE WHICH IS THE RED COLOR.

17:33:50 TO THE SOUTH IS THE AMERICAN LEGION PARK IN THE GREEN.

17:33:54 THERE IS ALSO SOME PROPERTY OWNED BY SOME NONPROFITS IN

17:33:56 THE AMERICAN LEGION.

17:33:58 PUBLIC, SEMIPUBLIC.

17:34:02 FURTHER SOUTH ALONG EAST SLIGH IS MIXED USE 35, WHICH IS

17:34:05 THE PINK COLOR THAT ALLOWS A LOT OF THOSE COMMERCIAL

17:34:06 USES AS WELL.

17:34:09 RESIDENTIAL-20 IS ALSO WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA

17:34:11 WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ON THE

17:34:15 PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

17:34:19 SO THIS WOULD GIVE A SMALL INCREASE IN DENSITY.

17:34:22 IT WOULD GO FROM THREE DWELLING UNITS TO SEVEN DWELLING

17:34:24 UNITS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.

17:34:28 THE NONESSENTIAL SQUARE FEET FROM 5,000 TO 7,000.

17:34:30 SUBJECT SITE WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET LOCATIONAL

17:34:34 CRITERIA FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES.

17:34:37 SO THAT IS -- IT IS STILL A REQUIREMENT IN THE

17:34:39 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHIN THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL-20

17:34:43 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

17:34:46 SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS CONSISTENT

17:34:49 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

17:34:53 THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLAN OF USES FROM THE CORE

17:34:55 COMMERCIAL AREAS FROM THE SURROUNDING STABLE

17:34:56 NEIGHBORHOODS.

17:34:59 SO WE DID FIND THAT -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND

17:35:02 THAT -- SINCE IT IS VERY INTENSE ALONG NORTH FLORIDA

17:35:06 AVENUE THERE ARE WILL BE A SENSITIVE STEP DOWN FROM

17:35:08 THOSE USES ALONG NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.

17:35:12 AS YOU KNOW, THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE, THERE

17:35:16 WAS A PLANNING EFFORT IN 2009, GREATER SEMINOLE HEIGHTS

17:35:21 VISION PLAN, AND THAT IS KINDS OF WHERE SOME OF THIS

17:35:24 LANGUAGE COMES FROM AS WELL AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK

17:35:27 AT THIS VISION PLAN FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AREA.

17:35:32 AND THE PROVISION FOR GROWTH TO URBAN VILLAGES TO MEET

17:35:35 THE NEED FOR TAMPA'S GROWING POPULATION.

17:35:38 THERE IS ALSO A PROVISION IN THE PLAN CALLED THE

17:35:41 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS NODE BONUS THAT ALLOW FOR COMPATIBLE

17:35:46 INFILL TO HAVE TRANSIT OUT OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS THAT

17:35:50 CAME OUT OF THE 2009 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS VISION PLAN.

17:35:52 THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS WOULD -- THE NODE

17:35:57 BONUS OF THE 25% INCREASE ABOVE THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND

17:36:03 USE AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL HELP -- THIS WOULD PROMOTE

17:36:07 LEGALIZATION OF THAT IN THIS AREA AND IT IS IN A GREAT

17:36:12 OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE INCREASED HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.

17:36:14 IT IS IN A GREAT SITUATION.

17:36:16 AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND IT CONSISTENT

17:36:19 AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE CITY STAFF

17:36:23 IS HERE, BUT THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS AS WELL.

17:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE,

17:36:26 GENTLEMEN?

17:36:31 ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

17:36:34 ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

17:36:38 >>CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS TO CLOSE ON THE ITEM.

17:36:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION GRANTED.

17:36:42 MR. MANISCALCO.

17:36:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR

17:36:45 FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.

17:36:49 ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE

17:36:53 LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY

17:36:57 LOCATED 201 AND 203 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE FROM

17:37:02 RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20.

17:37:06 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,

17:37:09 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE

17:37:10 DATE.

17:37:13 CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD AND THIS IS MY MOTION.

17:37:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

17:37:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL.

17:37:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

17:37:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

17:37:20 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

17:37:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

17:37:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

17:37:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

17:37:29 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY TO APRIL 21, 2022

17:37:35 AT 9:30 A.M.

17:37:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 4.

17:37:38 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE IF YOUR PLANNING

17:37:39 COMMISSION.

17:37:45 ITEM NUMBER 4 FILE NO. TA/CPA 21-30.

17:37:49 THIS IS IN THE TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT AND PALMETTO

17:37:52 POLICE AND WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

17:37:55 THERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

17:37:57 IT IS EAST OF SOUTH 20TH STREET.

17:38:02 IT'S SEVERAL PARCELS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF -- JUST

17:38:07 LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THE CORNER OF SOUTH 22ND AND MAPLE

17:38:09 AND OAKWOOD.

17:38:10 TWO PARCELS ON MAPLE.

17:38:13 ONE ON OAKWOOD.

17:38:16 THE SOUTH 22ND STREET IS CHARACTERIZED BY COMMERCIAL

17:38:19 USES BUT THE INTERNAL LOCAL STREETS HAVE A LOT OF

17:38:22 RESIDENTIAL USES ON THEM AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE

17:38:24 INDUSTRIAL ALONG SOUTH 20TH STREET.

17:38:29 AND WE HAVE THE BAY TO THE EAST.

17:38:34 THIS IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT APPROXIMATELY 5.3 ACRES

17:38:39 AND REQUEST FROM 24 TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.

17:38:44 HERE IS THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG OAKWOOD AVENUE FACING

17:38:44 NORTH.

17:38:50 THE INTERSECTION OF MAPLE AVENUE AND SOUTH 22ND STREET.

17:38:53 MAPLE AVENUE FACING EAST.

17:38:56 THE SUBJECT SITE WAS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE

17:38:57 SCREEN.

17:39:02 THIS IS JUST A -- JUST A STANDARD PICTURE OF THE TYPE

17:39:04 OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG MAPLE AVENUE.

17:39:08 AND THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

17:39:12 COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 WHICH IS THE PINK COLOR ALONG

17:39:15 SOUTH 22ND STREET THAT ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND

17:39:19 PROMOTES A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

17:39:24 THE SALMON COLOR IS TRANSITIONAL USE-24.

17:39:26 THAT PLAN CATEGORY GOES BACK TO THE TIME BEFORE

17:39:28 PLANNING AND ZONING ESSENTIALLY.

17:39:30 STAND ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES.

17:39:34 IT ALLOWS FOR SOME INDUSTRIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL USES

17:39:38 SO YOU CAN SEE IN PALMETTO BEACH, A LOT OF THIS AREA

17:39:41 HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED

17:39:45 ALLOWABLE USE UNDER 24.

17:39:47 THE LIGHT GRAY AND DARK GRAY ARE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND

17:39:49 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

17:39:54 THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOW THESE THREE

17:39:57 PARCELS AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.

17:40:01 AS WICK SEE ALREADY THAT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY

17:40:03 PRESENT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

17:40:05 THIS WOULD INCREASE THE POTENTIAL OF DWELLING UNITS

17:40:09 FROM 12 TO 18, AND WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF

17:40:15 NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 34,000 TO 46,000.

17:40:21 SO OVERALL ALLOW FOR DWELLING UNITS AND NONREFERRING.

17:40:24 AND TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH INDUSTRIAL GENERAL ZONED

17:40:24 USES.

17:40:29 SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE TRANSITIONAL USE 24

17:40:32 BUT NOT UNDER THE REQUESTED COMMUNITY MIXED 35.

17:40:34 THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THIS CONSISTENT

17:40:38 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE POLICIES I HAVE

17:40:42 LISTED ON THE SCREEN ARE WHAT CITED IN OUR

17:40:44 CONSISTENCY FINDING THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE

17:40:45 RESOLUTION.

17:40:48 THEY FOUND THE PLAN SUPPORTS THE TRANSPORTATION OF

17:40:52 CORRIDORS WITH A BROADER MIX OF USES AND PALMETTO BEACH

17:40:56 CAN BENEFIT FROM INCREASE IN DENSITY AND INTENSITY TO

17:40:59 ALLOW FOR THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THIS AREA.

17:41:02 AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD SUPPORT

17:41:06 WALKING AND THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

17:41:08 THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THIS CONSISTENT

17:41:09 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

17:41:13 CITY STAFF IS HERE, BUT THEY HAD NO OBJECTION.

17:41:15 AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

17:41:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE?

17:41:18 ALL RIGHT.

17:41:33 WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

17:41:37 >> GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN, TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH

17:41:38 ASHLEY DRIVE.

17:41:42 I AM THE APPLICANT FOR THE PARTICULAR MAP AMENDMENT.

17:41:44 I WANT TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT JENNIFER

17:41:45 NOTED.

17:41:48 WE ARE FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE IT IS.

17:41:53 THIS -- THERE IS A DEINDUSTRIAL ELEMENT TO THIS.

17:41:57 TRANSITIONAL USE-24 IS A CATEGORY, AS JENNIFER ALLUDED

17:42:00 TO, USED FOR PROPERTY THAT YOU PROCEED WITH A PLANNING

17:42:01 AND ZONING STATUS.

17:42:07 IF YOU CAN -- IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE 24, IT WOULD LOOK

17:42:12 LIKE A QUESTION MARK AND IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE

17:42:16 DIRECTION, THE DEVELOPMENT EFFORT IS MATERIALIZING.

17:42:20 GIVEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TA-24 AND CMU-35, AND

17:42:24 JENNIFER ALLUDED TO THE IMPORTANT PARTS, NO LONGER

17:42:28 ALLOW INDUSTRIAL IN THE RESIDENTIAL EMERGING MIXED USE

17:42:29 NEIGHBORHOOD.

17:42:34 THE DENSITY IS A MODEST 25% FROM 24 UNITS AN ACRE TO 30

17:42:35 UNITS.

17:42:39 INTENSITY IN TERMS OF WHAT IS BY RIGHT, THE FOLKS CAN

17:42:41 COME PAY FOR BONUS DENSITY.

17:42:44 WHAT YOU GET BY RIGHT IS A DECREASE.

17:42:49 GET FOR FREE A 1.5 F.A.R. AND GO DOWN TO A 1.0.

17:42:52 OPPORTUNITIES TO BUY UP THAT THROUGH, AGAIN, THE BONUS

17:42:55 PROCESS THAT COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH.

17:43:01 FROM AN INTENSITY STAT REDUCTION IN WHAT IS BY RIGHT.

17:43:06 AS JENNIFER NOTED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS

17:43:06 CONSISTENT.

17:43:09 THIS IS UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP AND WE ARE WORKING WITH

17:43:11 THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON WHAT EVENTUALLY THE REZONING FOR

17:43:16 THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE TO KNIT ALL THIS TOGETHER,

17:43:18 BUT AGAIN, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE OF THE

17:43:21 FUTURE LAND USE THAT WILL SHAPE THE ORIGINAL REZONING.

17:43:24 JENNIFER CALLED IT "SALMON."

17:43:25 THE RED COLOR.

17:43:30 TU-24 IS NOT MENTIONED A LOT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

17:43:32 WHERE IT IS MENTIONED IT IS NOT MENTIONED PARTICULARLY

17:43:35 FAVORABLY WITH THE UNDERLINE ON THE STREAM, THE

17:43:39 LONG-TERM STRATEGY OF THE CITY IS TO REDUCE NUMBER OF

17:43:43 PARCELS DESIGNATED AS TU-24.

17:43:46 NOT COME FROM SOME BROAD CITY ACTION OR THE CITY

17:43:47 INITIATES IT ON THEIR OWN.

17:43:50 IT COMES FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT YOU SEE BETTER

17:43:55 DIRECTION AND MORE DEATH-DEFYING INFORMATION OF WHAT

17:43:56 THEY WANT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE LIKE.

17:44:00 FROM TU-24 AND STAFF WILL PROBABLY AGREE IS THE NEXT

17:44:03 INCREMENTAL STEP UP WHICH WOULD BE A CMU-35

17:44:06 DESIGNATION.

17:44:08 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADDRESSES THE SOUTH TAMPA

17:44:13 PLANNING DISTRICT, SOUTH TAMPA, AND OTHER PLANNING

17:44:14 DISTRICTS THE CITY.

17:44:17 AND THE URBAN CORE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

17:44:20 PALMETTO BEACH MAY BE A LITTLE STRETCH TO CALL IT A

17:44:24 URBAN PERIPHERY BUT CLOSE TO THE HIGHER DENSITY

17:44:27 EMERGING PARTS OF THE CITY AND PLANNED PROVISIONS ARE

17:44:29 ON YOUR SCREEN FOR THE BENEFITS.

17:44:30 HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING.

17:44:33 THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXED USE BUILDINGS.

17:44:36 WHILE A MIXTURE OF USE COULD INCLUDE INDUSTRIAL, BUT

17:44:40 NOT EVERYBODY WILL THINK THAT INDUSTRIAL IS

17:44:42 INCOMPATIBLE IN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.

17:44:45 BY APPROVING THIS, WE GET AWAY FROM THAT.

17:44:46 22ND STREET.

17:44:50 IN IS THE IKEA -- YOU TAKE THE IKEA AND GO DOWN IS

17:44:52 PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL.

17:44:55 AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXTURE OF

17:45:00 USES TO CREATE SORT OF THE 15-MINUTE CITY IF YOU LIVE

17:45:04 IN PALMETTO BEACH, YOU CAN WALK TO GET SUNDRIES AND

17:45:05 THINGS LIKE THAT.

17:45:11 THE CM U-35 IS MORE ACCOMMODATING THAN THE TU-24 WOULD

17:45:11 BE.

17:45:15 THIS IS THE TAMPA CENTRAL PLANNING DISTRICT.

17:45:20 ANTICIPATION OF -- CMU-35 IS A LOW TO MODERATE LAND USE

17:45:22 CATEGORY.

17:45:25 AS WE ALLUDED, THIS IS NOT NEXT TO DOWNTOWN AND WOULD

17:45:28 NOT --

17:45:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. HUDSON, MOST OF YOUR INDUSTRIALS

17:45:34 IF I RECALL OF PALMETTO BEACH AREAS IS TO THE

17:45:36 SOUTHWEST.

17:45:38 >> INTO THE WEST DIRECTLY AND NIGHTTIME SOUTH.

17:45:44 THIS IS GETTING TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE RESIDENTIAL

17:45:45 CLUSTER.

17:45:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHERE THE T IS.

17:45:48 >> CORRECT.

17:45:50 WE ARE OVER WHERE THE -- WHERE THE STAR IS.

17:45:53 WE ARE FAIRLY FAR EAST.

17:45:55 WE ARE ONLY A BLOCK OFF THE WATER TO THE WEST.

17:45:57 THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE.

17:45:59 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

17:46:01 QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

17:46:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUDSON.

17:46:08 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

17:46:10 ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

17:46:14 >>CLERK: NO ONE REGISTERED.

17:46:15 >> MOTION.

17:46:16 >> SECOND.

17:46:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION GRANTED.

17:46:20 NUMBER 4, MR. CITRO.

17:46:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

17:46:27 ITEM NUMBER 4 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING

17:46:33 CONSIDERATION, AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA

17:46:37 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND

17:46:42 USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY 2015 AND 2017 MAPLE AVENUE AND

17:46:48 2020 OAKWOOD AVENUE FROM TRANSITIONAL USE-24, TU-24 TO

17:46:52 COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35, CMU-35.

17:46:56 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT;

17:47:01 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE

17:47:02 DATE.

17:47:04 AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FOUND IN AMENDMENT

17:47:05 CONSISTENT.

17:47:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

17:47:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

17:47:09 ROLL CALL.

17:47:09 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

17:47:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

17:47:12 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

17:47:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

17:47:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

17:47:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

17:47:18 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY SECOND READING AND

17:47:24 ADOPTION WILL BE APRIL 21, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.

17:47:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

17:47:30 GUDES OPEN.

17:47:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OPEN NOW 5-9.

17:47:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.

17:47:39 MOTION.

17:47:41 OPPOSED.

17:47:42 ITEM NUMBER 5.

17:47:44 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT

17:47:44 COORDINATION.

17:47:48 CAN I PLEASE BE SWORN IN ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE

17:47:50 STAFF.

17:47:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK WILL SWEAR EVERYONE IN.

17:48:09 [SWEARING IN]

17:48:10 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

17:48:12 GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, CATE

17:48:17 WELLS FOR THE RECORD.

17:48:20 >>CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

17:48:22 [SWEARING IN]

17:48:24 >>CATE WELLS: MY APOLOGIES.

17:48:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHE GOT TO DO HER THING.

17:48:31 >>CATE WELLS: ABSOLUTELY, I FORGET OF THE VIRTUAL

17:48:32 COMPONENT.

17:48:36 I'M HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 5, CATE WELLS, WITH ME IS

17:48:40 SENIOR CITY ATTORNEY IN THE LITIGATION PRACTICE GROUP.

17:48:43 THIS ITEM IS BEFORE COUNCIL BASED ON THE SPECIAL

17:48:46 MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION FROM A REQUEST

17:48:51 FOR RELIEF FILED BY WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS LCC PURSUANT

17:48:56 TO SECTION 70.51 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE.

17:49:00 KNOWN AS THE FLORIDA LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE

17:49:01 RESOLUTION ACT.

17:49:04 I WANT TO MAKE A FEW SHORT COMMENTS BEFORE PROVIDING

17:49:07 THE HISTORY OF THIS AND THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED

17:49:08 SETTLEMENT.

17:49:11 UNLIKE THE STANDARD REZONING APPLICATIONS SCHEDULED FOR

17:49:14 YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, ANY TIME CITY COUNCIL

17:49:17 CONSIDERS A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL, YOUR ROLE IS

17:49:22 LEGISLATIVE AND ALLOW COUNCILS TO CONSIDER ITEMS

17:49:26 OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE

17:49:29 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE

17:49:33 IMPACT AND PUBLIC INTEREST RESULTING FROM THE PROPOSED

17:49:33 SETTLEMENT.

17:49:36 AFTER I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HEAR FROM

17:49:39 SCOTT STEADY, WHO WAS RETAINED BY THE CITY AND

17:49:41 WHITFIELD TO BE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

17:49:44 ONCE MR. STEADY MAKES HIS PRESENTATION ON THE MEDIATION

17:49:47 PROCESS WE FOLLOWED AND EXPLAINS HIS RECOMMENDATION,

17:49:50 YOU WILL HEAR FROM CITY STAFF, PLANNING COMMISSION

17:49:54 STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE PUBLIC, AND I RECOMMEND THAT

17:49:56 YOU CONCLUDE THE HEARING ONCE PROVIDE THE APPLICANT

17:49:59 WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.

17:50:04 AND FINALLY, AS YOU CONSIDER THE TESTIMONY IN EVIDENCE

17:50:06 ENTERED INTO THE RECORD OF TONIGHT'S HEARING, PLEASE

17:50:09 REMEMBER THAT ALTHOUGH THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S REPORT

17:50:16 AND RECOMMENDATION IS A PUBLIC RECORD, ACTIONS AND

17:50:20 STATEMENTS OF REPRESENTATIVES IS AN OFFER OF COMPROMISE

17:50:22 AND INADMISSIBLE IN ANY PROCEEDING.

17:50:26 I MENTION THIS IN THE FACT THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED THAT

17:50:28 THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING PRECEDENT IF YOU ADOPT

17:50:36 AND ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION AT

17:50:41 YOUR JANUARY 21, 2021 MEETING 16 MONTHS AGO, CITY

17:50:44 COUNCIL DENIED FROM IH TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,

17:50:46 WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A

17:50:49 MULTIFAMILY PROJECT CONTAINING 299 DWELLING UNITS

17:50:53 57BDZ,000-SQUARE-FEET OF RETAIL SPACE WITHIN A

17:50:54 FOUR-STORY BUILDING.

17:50:58 CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION TO DENY FOCUSED ON A FEW AREAS

17:51:02 INCLUDING INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED INTENSITY OF

17:51:04 DEVELOPMENT AND FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE

17:51:09 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, WHICH

17:51:13 PROVIDES IN PART A PROPOSED LAND DEVELOPMENT REZONING

17:51:18 THAT ABUTS EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS

17:51:21 TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, NEWS DEMONSTRATE

17:51:24 THROUGH DESIGNED AND ACCEPTED PRACTICES THAT THE

17:51:29 OCCUPANT OF THE NEW USE ISSUED NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK OF

17:51:34 SUCH HAZARDS, FEBRUARY 19, 2021, WOODFIELD FILED A

17:51:38 REQUEST FOR RELIEF PURSUANT TO 51 AND A SEPARATE

17:51:41 THREE-COUNT COMPLAINT IN CIRCUIT COURT WHICH INCLUDES A

17:51:47 PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI AND COMPLAINT OF 42 USC

17:51:50 SECTION 1983 THAT ALLEGES THAT COUNCIL'S DECISION

17:51:57 VIOLATED WOODFIELD'S CONSTITUTIONAL DISAGREE.

17:51:59 MISS HARGRETT IS HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING

17:52:02 THE LEGISLATION WHICH IS STAYED PENDING THE OUTCOME OF

17:52:03 THIS PROCEEDING.

17:52:05 NOW TURNING YOUR ATTENTION BACK TO THE PROCEDURAL

17:52:10 HISTORY OF THIS APPLICATION.

17:52:13 WHEN THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF WAS ORIGINALLY FILED WITH

17:52:15 THE CITY, MY OFFICE PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH THE

17:52:18 MEMORANDUM DESCRIBING THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING

17:52:23 UNDER 70-51 THAT INCLUDES THE TWO-STEP PROCESS.

17:52:25 THE FIRST OF WHICH REQUIRES THE SPECIAL MANAGE STRAIGHT

17:52:29 TO CONDUCT AN INFORMAL MEDIATION OF WHICH THE CITY AND

17:52:33 WHITFIELD CONSIDERED ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENTS RESPONSE

17:52:36 STOVE COUNCIL'S DECISION OF DENIAL ON THE APPLICATION.

17:52:39 IN THIS CASE, THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CONDUCTED FOUR

17:52:43 SEPARATE MEDIATIONS BETWEEN MAY AND OCTOBER OF 2021.

17:52:48 DURING THE FINAL MEDIATION, WOODFIELD PRESENTED TWO

17:52:51 ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS ATTENDED TO ADDRESS THE BASIS

17:52:53 FOR COUNCIL'S DENIAL.

17:52:56 COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC

17:52:58 WHO ELECTED TO PARTICIPATE AND FROM CITY

17:52:59 REPRESENTATIVES.

17:53:03 AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE FOURTH MEDIATION, THE CITY,

17:53:07 WHITFIELD AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FELT THAT PROGRESS

17:53:10 HAD BEEN MADE AND AGREED TO COOPERATE AND FINALIZE THE

17:53:13 SITE PLANS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.

17:53:17 THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE BY ORDERED ISSUED DECEMBER 2,

17:53:19 2021, RECOMMENDS THAT CITY COUNCIL ACCEPT THIS

17:53:19 PROPOSAL.

17:53:24 AND THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS WENT THROUGH DRC REVIEW

17:53:25 ON DECEMBER 15.

17:53:29 SO TONIGHT'S HEARING IS PART OF THE FIRST STEP OF THE

17:53:31 ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL TO

17:53:35 CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS AS A PROPOSED

17:53:37 SETTLEMENT.

17:53:40 IF CITY COUNCIL REJECTS THE MEDIATED RESOLUTION, THE

17:53:43 SECOND STEP IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WILL COMMENCE

17:53:46 AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HOLD A HEARING TO

17:53:49 CONSIDER THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES SET FORTH IN THE

17:53:51 REQUEST FOR RELIEF.

17:53:54 TO DETERMINE WHETHER CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION IN JANUARY

17:53:58 OF LAST YEAR WAS UNREASONABLE FOR UNFAIRLY BURDENS THE

17:53:59 PROPERTY.

17:54:02 THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS

17:54:03 DENIED A YEAR AGO.

17:54:06 AS MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN REQUESTED APPROVAL

17:54:11 FOR 299 UNITS, WHICH AMOUNTS TO A DENSITY OF

17:54:14 APPROXIMATELY 35 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE.

17:54:17 THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ARE

17:54:21 BASED UPON WHETHER CHEMICAL FORMULATORS VERY LOW KATE

17:54:25 ITS BUSINESS FROM THE CURRENT LOCATION AT 5215 W. TYSON

17:54:26 AVENUE.

17:54:31 THE FIRST SITE PLAN PREMISED UPON CFI REMAINING IN ITS

17:54:34 CURRENT POSITION PROPOSE TODAY MITIGATE THE IMPACTS

17:54:39 PRESENTED BY CFIS REQUIRED BY LAND USE POLICIES 8.11.5.

17:54:42 DURING THE MEDIATION, CITY REPRESENTATIVES MADE IT

17:54:45 CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT THAT THE CITY'S WILLING

17:54:48 CONTINUES TO PRESENT AND SUPPORT THE PROPOSED

17:54:51 SETTLEMENT SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED AS EVIDENCE OF

17:54:52 COMPLIANCE WITH THIS POLICY.

17:54:56 THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S BURDEN AND ONE THEY MUST

17:54:58 ESTABLISH DURING TONIGHT'S HEARING.

17:55:01 THE SECOND SITE PLAN SHOWS THE PROPOSED PLAN OF

17:55:05 DEVELOPMENT IF CFI TERMINATES ITS OPERATION.

17:55:07 WE WILL HEAR FROM STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HO WHO

17:55:12 PROVIDE MANY MORE DETAILS ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLANS

17:55:14 THEN I AM GOING TO GIVE OUGHT THIS MOMENT.

17:55:18 GENERALLY REDUCED NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS FROM 299 TO

17:55:23 226 AT A DENSITY OF 27 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE.

17:55:27 IN DENSITY IS COMPARABLE TO OTHER PROJECTS THE CITY

17:55:29 COUNCIL HAS APPROVED ON RATTLESNAKE POINT.

17:55:34 THE SITE PLANS SHOW THE PARKING GARAGES BEING ENCLOSED

17:55:40 MODIFIED TO HAVE THE LOWER DENSITY AND A BUFFER FROM

17:55:43 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE WOODFIELD AND CHEMICAL

17:55:45 FORMULATORS TO THE SOUTH.

17:55:47 THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE BEEN MOVED AWAY FROM THE

17:55:49 SOUTHEAST PROPERTY BOUNDARY.

17:55:55 AND THE APPLICANT YOU HAS VOLUNTARILY OFFERED A PAYMENT

17:55:59 OF $174,000 TO BE APPLIED TO IMPROVEMENT TO TYSON

17:56:04 AVENUE IS IN ADDITION TO THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE

17:56:07 MITIGATION FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW

17:56:10 TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE AND MITIGATION

17:56:15 PAYMENT FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE INNER BAY DISTRICT.

17:56:19 THIS PAYMENT IS VOLUNTARY AND NOT REQUIRED BY THE LAND

17:56:20 DEVELOPMENT CODE.

17:56:24 IF APPROVED THE SITE PLANS AND ZONING EXPRESSLY PROVIDE

17:56:28 THAT CITY COUNCIL RETAINS EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY TO AMENDS

17:56:30 OR MODIFY THE SITE PLAN.

17:56:34 ANY CODE PROVISION THAT WOULD OTHERWISE ALLOW STAFF TO

17:56:37 MAKE ANY MINOR AMENDMENTS ADMINISTRATIVELY WILL NOT

17:56:39 APPLY HERE.

17:56:42 ONLY THIS CITY COUNCIL CAN AMEND THE SITE PLANS IF

17:56:44 APPROVED THIS EVENING.

17:56:48 AND IN A REGULAR REZONING OR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING,

17:56:50 CITY COUNCIL LOOKS TO WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS

17:56:54 DEMONSTRATED BY SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT THE

17:56:56 PROJECT MEETS THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE

17:56:59 REGULATIONS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT BECAUSE

17:57:03 THIS IS A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS

17:57:05 THAT CITY COUNCIL MUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

17:57:08 INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IF THE SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL IS

17:57:13 APPROVED, THE LAWSUIT FILED IN CIRCUIT COURT WILL BE

17:57:16 DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE AND EACH PARTY WILL BEAR THEIR

17:57:18 OWN ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS.

17:57:21 SO YOUR OPTIONS THIS EVENING ARE SET OUT UNDER SECTION

17:57:26 70.51, SUBSECTIONS 21.

17:57:30 FIRST IS TO ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND

17:57:33 RECOMMENDATION AND PROCEED TO IMPLEMENT THE

17:57:34 RECOMMENDATION.

17:57:40 IN THIS CASE RECOMMENDATION -- IMPLEMENTATION OF THE

17:57:43 RECOMMENDATION WILL BE THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND

17:57:46 PLACE ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING.

17:57:50 IF THE CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT WOODFIELD FAILED TO

17:57:54 MEET ITS BURDEN AND FAILED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION

17:57:58 OTHER MATTERS, CITY COUNCIL MAY REJECT THE SPECIAL

17:58:00 MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.

17:58:03 AND FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MAY MODIFY THE RECOMMENDATION

17:58:08 AND IMPLEMENT THIS SUBJECT TO WHITFIELD'S CONSENT TO

17:58:09 THE MODIFICATION.

17:58:14 UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AND MISS I NA

17:58:17 HARGRETT GUDES I LISTENED TO THAT.

17:58:20 FIRST PART YOU GAVE TWO SCENARIOS AND THE END YOU GAVE

17:58:20 TWO.

17:58:26 IF THIS COUNCIL DENYS THIS SETTLEMENT, IT NOW GOES BACK

17:58:28 TO THE MAGISTRATE AGAIN.

17:58:29 IS THAT CORRECT?

17:58:32 I AM HEARING -- YOU ALREADY HAS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT

17:58:35 PER SE.

17:58:39 IF WE DON'T AGREE GOES BACK AND HAS A FINAL DECISION

17:58:40 WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL'S DECISION.

17:58:43 >>CATE WELLS: THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HOLD A

17:58:46 SECOND HEARING BY WHICH TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AND THE

17:58:48 SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER

17:58:53 COUNCIL'S DENIAL IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR CONSTITUTES AN

17:58:58 UNFAIR BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY.

17:59:01 THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL.

17:59:05 THAT IS NOT FINAL SUBJECT TO APPROVAL.

17:59:06 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

17:59:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS FOR MISS WELLS.

17:59:10 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU.

17:59:12 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

17:59:15 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN --

17:59:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE SECOND.

17:59:20 MR. CITRO, I SEE YOUR BOY SCOUT -- THIS MAY BE LOG.

17:59:21 YOU WANT TO GET THEM IN.

17:59:23 >> I WAS GOING TO POINT THEM OUT TO YOU.

17:59:25 BECAUSE I THINK I AM GOING TO BE UPSTAGED.

17:59:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH YOUR PERMISSION AND IF I MAY

17:59:28 QUICKLY.

17:59:31 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE WAS A MIX-UP ON TIMING IN

17:59:34 WHICH ONE OF THESE FINE YOUNG SCOUTS TO BE ANNOUNCED.

17:59:38 WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE ENTERED

17:59:42 INTO THE CHAMBERS AND BE RECOGNIZED.

17:59:46 THANK YOU.

17:59:47 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

18:00:33 THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS.

18:00:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY

18:00:35 MUCH.

18:00:36 MARTIN HERNANDEZ.

18:00:39 HE WILL BE TELLING US -- COME IN, GENTLEMEN.

18:00:41 HE WILL BE GIVING US THE TROOP NUMBER AND NAME.

18:00:43 MR. HERNANDEZ, PLEASE, AND THANK YOU.

18:00:45 >> THANK YOU.

18:00:49 MARK HERNANDEZ WITH SCOUTING TROOP 53 FROM SOUTH TAMPA.

18:00:51 COME NON, BOYS.

18:00:53 EACH ONE CAN QUICKLY SAY WHAT YOUR NAME.

18:00:56 SCHOOL YOU GO TO.

18:00:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW OLD YOU ARE AND HOW LONG YOU HAVE

18:00:59 BEEN IN SCOUTING.

18:01:00 >> CAIN VERA.

18:01:02 I AM 11.

18:01:06 GO TO MITCHELL ELEMENTARY, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING

18:01:09 SINCE FIRST GRADE.

18:01:11 >> MY NAME IS LUKE OLIVER.

18:01:16 I GO TO -- I AM 12 YEARS OLD, AND I GO TO FRANKLIN BOYS

18:01:19 MIDDLE MAGNET PREPARATORY ACADEMY, AND I HAVE BEEN IN

18:01:22 SCOUTING SINCE FIRST GRADE.

18:01:25 >> I AM BLAIR KEATS.

18:01:26 I AM 15.

18:01:29 GO TO ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING

18:01:33 -- BOY SCOUTS FOR FIVE YEARS.

18:01:38 >> I AM LUCAS MARSET, AND BEEN IN SCOUTING SINCE FIRST GRADE.

18:01:40 AND -- AND I AM 11.

18:01:43 AND GO TO MITCHELL ELEMENTARY.

18:01:46 AND FIRST GRADE.

18:01:47 SINCE FIRST GRADE.

18:01:48 >> FIVE YEARS.

18:01:51 >> FIVE YEARS.

18:01:55 >> MY NAME IS JAVIER KEATS.

18:01:55 I AM 14.

18:01:58 GO TO MADISON MIDDLE SCHOOL.

18:02:01 AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR 14 -- FOUR YEARS

18:02:04 ACTUALLY.

18:02:07 >> MY NAME IS JACKSON.

18:02:10 I AM 13, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS AND

18:02:13 GO TO HOLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

18:02:15 >> MY NAME IS BEN.

18:02:18 I AM 14 AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR TWO YEARS AND I

18:02:21 GO TO TAMPA PREP.

18:02:22 >> I AM SCOTT.

18:02:27 I AM 16.

18:02:30 I GO TO THE ACADEMY AND I HAVE BEEN SCOUTING FOR FIVE

18:02:33 YEARS.

18:02:37 >> MY NAME IS HALSY KEATS.

18:02:41 GO TO ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL AND I AM 15M AND I HAVE IN

18:02:42 SCOUTING FOR TEN YEARS.

18:02:43 >> JACOB HERNANDEZ.

18:02:45 GO TO JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL.

18:02:49 15 YEARS OLD, AND I HAVE BEEN SCOUTING FOR FIVE YEARS.

18:02:52 >> MY NAME IS LUCAS HERNANDEZ.

18:02:54 I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR THREE YEARS.

18:02:55 14 YEARS OLD.

18:02:59 AND I GO TO COLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

18:03:01 >> MY NAME IS PETER ROSE.

18:03:06 I GO TO COLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

18:03:09 I AM 14 AND HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS.

18:03:12 >> MY NAME IS REED JACKSON.

18:03:13 I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS.

18:03:15 AND I GO TO -- I AM 14.

18:03:19 AND BY TO PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.

18:03:21 >> MY NAME IS JACK PROSE.

18:03:22 I AM 11.

18:03:24 I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS AND GO TO

18:03:28 MITCHELL ELEMENTARY.

18:03:33 >> MY NAME IS ALEXANDER MASEA AND GO TO MITCHELL

18:03:33 ELEMENTARY.

18:03:36 I AM 11 YEARS OLD, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR THREE

18:03:37 YEARS.

18:03:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE PARENTS OUT THERE?

18:03:41 >> THE PARENTS ARE OUT THERE.

18:03:44 ONE MORE SCOUT THAT GOT STUCK IN SOME RAIN.

18:03:50 COME IN, BUDDY.

18:03:51 SAY YOUR NAME AND AGE.

18:03:52 LOUD.

18:03:53 THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU.

18:03:57 >> FOLEY BURNS, AND I AM 11.

18:03:59 HOW LONG.

18:04:01 >> HOW LONG HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTS?

18:04:05 >> I JUST JOINED A FEW MONTHS AGO AND ACADEMY OF HOLY

18:04:06 NAMES.

18:04:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOUNG SCOUT, STAY AT THE PODIUM.

18:04:13 PLEASE RISE AND LET THE SCOUT LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF

18:04:19 ALLEGIANCE.

18:04:30 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

18:04:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW, MR. CHAIR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION,

18:04:36 IF WE HAVE ENOUGH SEATS, MAYBE THESE YOUNG SCOUTS CAN

18:04:39 JOIN US FOR A FEW MINUTES TO SEE HOW THEIR LOCAL

18:04:41 GOVERNMENT WORKS.

18:04:43 IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR?

18:04:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE THE PARENTS AND THE

18:04:48 SCOUTMASTER HERE?

18:04:52 >> YES, SIR, THIS IS -- THIS IS JACKSON, RETIRED

18:04:57 COLONEL WHO IS OUR SCOUTMASTER.

18:04:58 AND OTHER SCOUT LEADERS OUTSIDE.

18:05:04 FORMER SCOUTMASTER, COMMANDER HALSEY KEATS AND A BUNCH

18:05:05 OF OTHER PARENT OUT THERE.

18:05:06 YOU CAN COME IN.

18:05:07 THEY DON'T BITE.

18:05:10 THANK YOU, ALL.

18:05:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEY HAD TO GET HERE SOMEHOW.

18:05:19 >> YES.

18:05:22 SMITH HERNANDEZ AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE FINE

18:05:25 YOUNG MEN DOWN HERE AND OUR PLEASURE TO HAVE THEM IN

18:05:28 AND I AM GLAD THEY ARE HERE TO SEE HOW THEIR LOCAL

18:05:28 GOVERNMENT WORKS.

18:05:30 THANK YOU, AGAIN, MR. CHAIR.

18:05:31 AUDIENCE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

18:05:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO SAY WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE --

18:05:38 EXPLAIN WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW SO WHAT THE

18:05:38 PROCEDURES ARE.

18:05:41 WHAT ARE WE DOING?

18:05:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SCOUTS, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS LAND

18:05:48 USE CHANGES.

18:05:49 WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

18:05:53 AND WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM MANY DIFFERENT SIDES, THE

18:05:58 CITY, THE PLANNING FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THE

18:06:02 CORPORATIONS AND OR COMPANIES THAT WANT TO CHANGE THIS

18:06:07 LAND USE AND MORE ESPECIALLY, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM

18:06:10 THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITIZENS.

18:06:14 AND HOPEFULLY AFTER HEARING EVERYTHING THAT IS

18:06:18 DISCUSSED, REMEMBER, DIALOGUE SOLVES EVERYTHING.

18:06:22 WE WILL THEN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT LAND USE OR

18:06:26 PROPOSED LAND USE -- LAND USE CHANGE.

18:06:31 SO SIT BACK, LISTEN CAREFULLY, AND SEE HOW OUR -- HOW

18:06:33 YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKS.

18:06:35 MR. CHAIR, WAS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?

18:06:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

18:06:39 THANK YOU.

18:06:42 NO SENSE HAVING THE YOUNG PEOPLE HERE UNLESS THEY KNOW

18:06:43 THE PROCESS.

18:06:45 YOU LEARN BY SEEING AND DOING.

18:06:47 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE YOUNG PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE ARE

18:06:49 DOING AT ALL TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS GOING

18:06:50 FORWARD.

18:06:52 MR. MAGISTRATE, IF YOU WANT TO BEGIN, SIR.

18:06:55 >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL,

18:07:00 SCOTT STEADY, SUITE 3200, ONE TAMPA CITY CENTER.

18:07:01 A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.

18:07:03 SO WE WILL START.

18:07:06 CATE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS AND I WANT

18:07:07 TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.

18:07:10 ONE IS WE DID HAVE FOUR MEDIATION SESSIONS.

18:07:12 I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A NUMBER OF YEARS.

18:07:14 THAT -- WE USUALLY HAVE TWO, MAYBE THREE.

18:07:18 BOTH SIDES REALLY WORKED REAL HARD TO COME UP WITH

18:07:20 THESE TWO ALTERNATIVES.

18:07:23 AND I THINK YOU HAVE SOME -- A GOOD DECISION TONIGHT,

18:07:25 BUT THERE IS A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO THIS.

18:07:28 I THINK ONE OF THE MOST HELPFUL THINGS THAT OCCURRED

18:07:33 WAS OUR FIRST MEDIATION SESSION, WOODFIELD BROUGHT IN

18:07:38 AN EXPERT THAT YOU WILL HEAR LATE THEIR EXPLAINED THE

18:07:39 OPERATION NEXT DOOR.

18:07:41 I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY CAME FORWARD IN THE

18:07:44 FIRST HEARING THAT YOU HEARD, BUT THEY TALKED OF THE

18:07:46 OPERATIONS, THE RISK INVOLVED WITH THOSE OPERATIONS,

18:07:50 THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE RISKS AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE

18:07:52 CHEMICALS ENTER THE ENVIRONMENT.

18:07:54 WITH THAT TESTIMONY, IT REALLY ALLOWED THE STAFF TO

18:07:59 REALLY CONSIDER THOSE ISSUES TO COME UP WITH A -- WITH

18:08:02 THE MITIGATION EFFORTS, MITIGATION, EXCUSE ME,

18:08:05 CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE ALTERNATIVE ONE ASSUMING

18:08:07 THAT CFI STAYS WITH THE LOCATION.

18:08:11 SO I THINK THAT REALLY HELPED MAKE A -- MAKE THIS WORK.

18:08:19 AND TO HAVE THIS COME BACK TO YOU A BUT AS CATE SAID,

18:08:21 THE EXPERT WILL TESTIFY TONIGHT AND YOU NEED TO

18:08:23 CONSIDER HIS TESTIMONY AND WHETHER YOU THINK THEY

18:08:27 PRESENTED AND DEALT WITH THE RISK INVOLVED WITH THE CFI

18:08:28 NEXT DOOR.

18:08:31 SO WITH THAT, CATE WENT THROUGH.

18:08:33 THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONING, OTHER COMPROMISE AS THAT

18:08:35 WERE MADE.

18:08:41 299 UNITS BASICALLY 25% REDUCTION TO THE 226.

18:08:45 THERE WAS THE 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT COMMERCIAL THAT WAS

18:08:48 CUSSED AT THE HEARING WITH THE DENIAL, BUT SINCE THEN,

18:08:51 I THINK THE COMMERCIAL USES HAVE EXPANDED SO THAT IT

18:08:55 WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A BETTER MIXED-USE

18:08:55 PROJECT.

18:08:58 WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT, TOO, ABOUT THE EXTRA

18:09:04 CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENT OF TYSON.

18:09:05 174,000.

18:09:08 I WAS INVOLVED IN ANOTHER MEDIATION ON TYSON AND THIS

18:09:10 WAS SIMILAR TO THE CONTRIBUTION THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BY

18:09:11 CODE.

18:09:14 IT IS AN OVER AND ABOVE THE CODE REQUIREMENT.

18:09:17 ALSO, THERE IS A PROVISION THERE THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE

18:09:21 PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THE FUTURE

18:09:24 LIGHT THAT WILL GO AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE.

18:09:30 THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE PAID AT BUILDING PERMITS

18:09:33 WHICH IS SOONER RATHER THAN NORMAL.

18:09:35 THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATED DURING THE PROCESS DURING THE

18:09:37 FOUR MEDIATIONS.

18:09:39 I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS HERE TONIGHT I AM

18:09:42 SURE THEY WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT IT.

18:09:44 WITH THAT, I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR

18:09:46 CONSIDERATION OF BOTH ALTERNATIVES.

18:09:49 AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM STAFF AND AS WELL AS THE

18:09:50 DEVELOPER.

18:09:52 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS --

18:09:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE ONE.

18:09:54 WHEN YOU TALK OF THE EXPERT.

18:09:58 THEY HAD AN EXPERT LAST TITHE TIME IS MY UNDERSTANDING,

18:09:59 IS THAT CORRECT?

18:10:03 >> I DON'T BELIEVE THE EXPERT THAT SPOKE FOR WOODFIELD

18:10:05 WAS PRESENT -- NO, NO.

18:10:08 SO TONIGHT YOU WILL HEAR THE EXPERT THAT SPOKE AT THE

18:10:12 FIRST MEDIATION THAT REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE CHEMICALS,

18:10:14 THE RISKS INVOLVED.

18:10:17 AND HOW THEY -- WHEN THEY ENTER THE ENVIRONMENT, HOW

18:10:22 THEY REACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND BARRIERS THAT CAN BE

18:10:26 PUT UP LIKE THE PARKING GARAGE TO PREVENT INTRUSION

18:10:27 INTO THE PROJECT.

18:10:30 SO THAT IS GOING TO BE NEW TESTIMONY.

18:10:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

18:10:33 WE ARE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.

18:10:33 >> YES.

18:10:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE ANY

18:10:39 QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?

18:10:40 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

18:10:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL BEGIN.

18:10:48 HAVE THE APPLICANT.

18:10:57 ZAIN, GOING TO BE YOU TONIGHT.

18:10:59 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: YES, SIR.

18:11:00 HOW ARE YOU DOING.

18:11:02 ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

18:11:04 I WANT TO SALUTE AND APPLAUD THE BOY SCOUTS.

18:11:08 I WAS A BOY SCOUT IN MY YOUNGER YEARS AND A FANTASTIC

18:11:09 EXPERIENCE.

18:11:13 TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, CASE

18:11:19 REZ-20-66 FOR THE REDESIGN PROJECT AT 5301 W. TYSON

18:11:20 AVENUE.

18:11:23 I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING

18:11:25 COMMISSION.

18:11:26 >>JENNIFER MALONE: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

18:11:28 JENNIFER MALONE, AGAIN, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

18:11:31 I WILL BE BRIEF, BUT I WILL JUST PROVIDE SOME HIGH

18:11:32 POINTS ON THIS CASE.

18:11:35 IT IS LOCATED IN SOUTH TAMPA.

18:11:39 HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE ON W. TYSON

18:11:40 AVENUE.

18:11:42 AND HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE.

18:11:46 SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.

18:11:49 THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFIC TO

18:11:52 ANYTHING LOCATED ON RATTLESNAKE POINT AND ANYTHING WITH

18:11:56 A COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

18:11:59 STAFF HAS TAKEN THESE POLICIES AND WE HAVE OUTLINED

18:12:02 THEM IN THE STAFF REPORT AND COMPARED WHAT THE

18:12:05 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ASKING FOR FROM DEVELOPMENTS AND

18:12:08 LOOKED AT THOSE POLICIES IN RELATION TO THE SITE PLAN

18:12:10 AND FOUND IT WAS CONSISTENT.

18:12:14 WE FOUND THAT THE APPLICANT WITH THE REDESIGN SITE IS

18:12:20 MEETING THE POLICY DIRECTION OF LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5.

18:12:23 THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO THIS POLICY, BUT WE

18:12:26 FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED PD, THE ORIENTATION OF THE

18:12:30 PARKING GARAGE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE POLICY

18:12:33 PROVIDING A BUFFER WITH THE RESIDENCES AND HEAVY

18:12:36 INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE TO THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE

18:12:37 SUBJECT SITE.

18:12:39 THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE

18:12:42 WATERFRONT THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

18:12:46 ON RATTLESNAKE POINT AND ADDRESSING THE COASTAL HIGH

18:12:50 HAZARD AREA FOR HURRICANE MITIGATION PAYMENTS WITH

18:12:52 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

18:12:57 AND, AGAIN, YOU WON'T BEHAVIOR THIS -- WON'T BELABOR

18:13:00 THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND IT CONSISTENT AND

18:13:03 THE FULL ANALYSIS AND THE FINDING IN THE STAFF REPORT.

18:13:06 THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR

18:13:06 QUESTIONS.

18:13:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING FOR MISS MALONE?

18:13:10 ALL RIGHT.

18:13:11 ZAIN?

18:13:12 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

18:13:16 ZAIN HUSSEIN, LANDS DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

18:13:18 PLEASE, I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN.

18:13:21 CASE REZ 20-66.

18:13:26 THE APPLICANT IS RYAN STUDZINSKI.

18:13:32 REPRESENTATIVE IS ANNE POLLACK AT 5301 W. TYSON AVENUE.

18:13:39 PROPOSED FROM IH, INDUSTRIAL HEAVY TO PD, MULTIFAMILY,

18:13:43 RETAILED SELLS, RETAIL SALES, SPECIALTY GOODS,

18:13:48 CONVENIENCE GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS AND MARINA.

18:13:53 RESUBMITTAL THE AMOUNT HAS TWO ALTERNATIVE PLANS A

18:13:57 WAIVER FOR EACH PLANS.

18:14:01 WAIVER NUMBER ONE, REDUCE THE REQUIRED 15-FOOT --

18:14:07 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON TO A 10-FOOT LANDSCAPE

18:14:11 BUFFER AND TEN-FOOT CMU OR PRECAST WALL ALONG THE SOUTH

18:14:15 PROPERTY LINE ALSO SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.

18:14:20 LANDSCAPE BUFFER, SIX-FOOT CMU ALONG THE WEST AND EAST

18:14:21 PROPERTY LINES.

18:14:25 THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO MAKE THIS WAIVER

18:14:28 WORDED A CERTAIN WAY BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READ

18:14:29 GOING APPROVED.

18:14:33 ALTERNATIVE PLAN NUMBER TWO TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED

18:14:37 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE WEST SIDE TO A TEN-FOOT

18:14:40 LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

18:14:43 WILL INCLUDE A SIX-FOOT CMU AND PRECAST ALONG THE WEST

18:14:45 AND EAST PROPERTY LINES.

18:14:49 THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO BEEN REQUESTED TO REWORD THE

18:14:51 WAIVER JUST LIKE THIS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING

18:14:55 IF APPROVED.

18:14:57 I WILL NOW GO TO THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

18:15:02 YOU SEE THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.

18:15:05 TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE TYSON.

18:15:08 TO THE NORTHWEST GANDY BOULEVARD.

18:15:13 TO THE WEST YOU HAVE SALT CHECK, THE RESTAURANT.

18:15:16 TO THE SOUTHWEST YOU HAVE A -- A REZONING THAT WAS

18:15:17 APPROVED.

18:15:21 AND THIS WAS APPROVED FOR 680 UNITS.

18:15:26 TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE A REZONING APPROVED FOR

18:15:33 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY FOR 325 UNITS.

18:15:36 NOW LET ME GIVE YOU FIRST A BRIEF SUMMARY AND A HISTORY

18:15:38 OF THIS APPLICATION.

18:15:42 ON JANUARY 21, 2021, CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE REZONING

18:15:47 APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5301 W. TYSON

18:15:51 AVENUE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.

18:15:54 THE ACTION REQUESTED A REZONING FROM INDUSTRIAL HEAVY,

18:15:57 IH, TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PD.

18:16:00 SEEKING THE APPROVAL OF A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT

18:16:05 INCLUDED 299 DWELLING UNITS AT 35.7 UNITS PER ACRE AND

18:16:09 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPECIALTY GOODS, RETAIL SALES

18:16:15 WITHIN A FOUR-STORY 332,884-SQUARE-FOOT STRUCTURE AS 62

18:16:17 FEET IN HEIGHT.

18:16:24 ALSO, A FIVE-FOOT STORY OF 75 FEET IN HEIGHT ALONG WITH

18:16:25 SURFACE PARKING ON THE LOT.

18:16:29 THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE A 15-SLIP MARINA.

18:16:34 IN ACCORDANCE WITH 70.51, FLORIDA STATUTES.

18:16:38 A DEMAND FOR RELIEF WAS FILED WITHIN THE CITY -- WITH

18:16:39 THE CITY.

18:16:44 FOUR SEPARATE MEDIATION SESSIONS BETWEEN MAY 2021 AND

18:16:45 OCTOBER 2, 2021.

18:16:48 DURING WHICH AT CITY AND APPLICANT EXPLORED REVISED

18:16:51 TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.

18:16:55 DURING THE FINAL MEDIATION ON OCTOBER 22, 2021, THE

18:16:57 APPLICANT PRESENTED THE CITY WITH TWO ALTERNATIVE

18:16:58 PLANNINGS.

18:17:04 THIS WAS BASED ON THE CHEMICAL FORMULATORS, INC. ALSO

18:17:07 KNOWN AS CFI, THAT I WILL REFER TO IN THIS

18:17:08 PRESENTATION.

18:17:13 THE LOCATION AT THE SITE 5215 WEST TYSON.

18:17:16 ALTERNATE ONE WILL STATE THAT THE CFI WOULD REMAIN.

18:17:20 AND ALTERNATIVE TWO PLAN WILL HAVE THE CFI RELOCATE

18:17:22 THEIR BUSINESS.

18:17:24 NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE PLANS AND WHAT

18:17:26 THEY HAVE IN COMMON.

18:17:29 EACH SITE PLAN SEEKS APPROVAL OF A MIXED USE PROJECT

18:17:33 CONSISTING OF RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL SALES,

18:17:37 SPECIALTY GOODS, CONVENIENCE GOODS AND SHOPPER'S GOODS

18:17:38 AND MARINA USES.

18:17:43 SPECIFICALLY 226 RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY UNITS OR --

18:17:48 AT 27 UNITS PER ACRE WITH POOL AND AMENITY SPACE,

18:17:55 5,000-SQUARE-FEET OF SPECIALTY GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS

18:17:59 AND 15-FOOT MARINA TO THE NORTH.

18:18:02 THE PROJECT PROPOSE TODAY CONSTRUCT A

18:18:07 310,000-SQUARE-FOOT FOUR-STORY STRUCTURE CONSISTING OF

18:18:10 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL SALES.

18:18:11 THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL INCORPORATE THE USE OF THE

18:18:15 EXISTING DOCK LOCATE TODAY NORTH AS PART OF THE MARINA.

18:18:20 WITH A RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX DESIGNED CENTRAL

18:18:23 TO THE SITE WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED AT THIS

18:18:23 TIME.

18:18:30 GREEN SPACE SURROUNDS RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY WITH

18:18:32 INTERNAL CONNECTIONS WITH OPEN AMENITY SPACE.

18:18:36 THE SITE LAYOUT INCORPORATES A FOUR-STORY GARAGE ALONG

18:18:39 THE SURFACE PARKING TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.

18:18:43 AND THE RETAIL SALES COMPONENT IS LOCATED TO THE

18:18:46 NORTHERN END OF THE SITE FRONTING THE WATER.

18:18:55 THE 8.37-ACRE PROPERTIES A EXISTING 67,667-SQUARE-FOOT

18:19:00 BUILDING WITH A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RATTLESNAKE POINT

18:19:03 LOCATED TO THE WEST SIDE OF W. TYSON AVENUE.

18:19:06 THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY THE BAY AND RATTLESNAKE

18:19:07 CHANNEL TO THE NORTH.

18:19:12 INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE WEST ZONED IG.

18:19:15 INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE SOUTH ZONED IH.

18:19:18 COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL GOVERNMENT USE TO THE EAST, ZONED

18:19:19 IH.

18:19:24 THE PROPOSED BUILDING SETBACKS ARE 35 FEET TO THE

18:19:24 NORTH.

18:19:26 35 FEET TO THE SOUTH.

18:19:28 36 FEET TO THE EAST.

18:19:31 AND 50 FEET TO THE WEST.

18:19:34 THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL BE 60

18:19:38 FEET FOR FOUR STORIES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY

18:19:40 COMPLEX AND ALSO THE PARKING GARAGE.

18:19:44 BASED ON THESE PROPOSED NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS AND

18:19:48 RETAIL SALES, A TOTAL OF 431 PARKING SPACES ARE

18:19:51 REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRING 444 PARKING

18:19:52 SPACES.

18:19:56 THREE LOADING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THREE

18:19:58 LOADING SPACES ARE BEING MET.

18:20:01 IN ADDITION TO MAKING A MITIGATION PAYMENT TO THE

18:20:07 TRANSPORTATION DIVISION IN THE AMOUNT OF $99,581

18:20:10 FOR IMPROVEMENTS WANT INNER BAY DISTRICT AREA, THE

18:20:14 APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PAY -- HIS PROPORTIONATE FAIR

18:20:17 SHARE PAYMENT FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW

18:20:23 TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF WEST TYSON AND

18:20:26 ALSO SOUTHWEST SHORE BOULEVARD.

18:20:30 ALSO TO CONTRIBUTE $174,000 TO THE CITY TO BE UTILIZED

18:20:34 FOR THE DESIGN AND OR IMPROVEMENTS TO TYSON AVENUE.

18:20:37 NOW, I WILL SHOW YOU THE NEXT PAGE.

18:20:41 YOU WILL SEE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER 1.

18:20:46 THE DISTINCTION OF SITE PLAN NUMBER 1 SHOW THAT CFI

18:20:49 WILL REMAIN IN THE CURRENT LOCATION IN THE SOUTH.

18:20:54 THE PROPOSAL FOLLOWING DESIGN DETAILS AND CONDITIONS OF

18:20:57 APPROVAL IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT PRESENTED BY

18:21:02 CFI AS REQUIRED BY THE LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, WHICH

18:21:06 PROVIDES IN PART A PROPOSED PD REZONING WHICH ABUTS

18:21:10 EXISTING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS TO

18:21:13 THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, MUST DEMONSTRATE THROUGH

18:21:18 DESIGN AND ACCEPTED -- THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE NEW

18:21:23 USE SHALL BE -- SHOULD NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK OF SUCH

18:21:24 HAZARDS.

18:21:28 KEEP IN MIND THAT STAFF'S REPORT DOES NOT ADDRESS IF

18:21:31 THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN REQUIRES TO THE LAND USE POLICY

18:21:35 8.11.5, BUT DURING THE MEDIATION, THE CITY DID CONFIRM,

18:21:39 WHILE STAFF WAS WILLING TO PRESENT THE ALTERNATIVE SITE

18:21:42 PLANS FOR CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, THE APPLICANT

18:21:45 REMAINED RESPONSIBLE FOR ESTABLISHING COMPLIANCE WITH

18:21:47 POLICY 8.11.5.

18:21:51 AND TO BE COMPETENT OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

18:21:54 WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.

18:21:58 AS PER THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER ONE, THE

18:22:02 APPLICANT MUST MEET THE GENERAL NOTES 16 24-7B 2.

18:22:04 NOW IS SAY LOT OF INFORMATION SO I WILL PARAPHRASE

18:22:06 PIECE BY PIECE.

18:22:11 NUMBER 16, THE DEVELOPER SHALL MAINTAIN EMERGENCY

18:22:13 RESPONSE, EVACUATION AND RE-ENTRY PLAN FOR HURRICANES

18:22:15 AND OTHER DISASTERS.

18:22:20 NUMBER 17, NOTE, DEVELOPER SHALL ENTER INTO A CONTRACT

18:22:23 WITH A PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM TO PROVIDE PRIVATE

18:22:27 EVACUATION SERVICES IN THE EVENT OF A HURRICANE,

18:22:31 SIMILAR THREATENING FLOODING OR WIND EVENTS.

18:22:34 NOTE NUMBER 18, THE DEVELOPER AND PROPERTY MANAGER

18:22:39 SHALL PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE AND NEW TENANTS OF

18:22:41 INFORMATION IDENTIFYING THE FACT THAT THE UNIT IS

18:22:44 WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

18:22:48 KNOW NOTE NUMBER 19, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST

18:22:51 CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TEMPORARY OR FINAL, DEVELOPER

18:22:54 SHALL INSTALL AND MAINTAIN AUTOMATIC WARNING SYSTEMS

18:22:56 ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIMETER.

18:23:01 NUMBER 20 IN THE NOTES, HVAC SYSTEMS SHALL BE DESIGNED

18:23:05 WITH NO FRESH AIR INTAKE SUBJECT TO CITY CODE.

18:23:09 21, THE PARKING GARAGE SHALL BE ENCLOSED ON THE SOUTH

18:23:12 ELEVATION OTHER THAN VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS

18:23:14 POINTS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

18:23:20 AND NUMBER 22 IN THE NOTES, THE TEN-FOOT WALL MAY BE

18:23:25 MODIFIED TO A SIX-FOOT WALL IF THE ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL

18:23:28 FACILITY CEASES OPERATION.

18:23:31 I WILL NOW GO TO ALTERNATIVE PLAN NUMBER 2 THAT THE

18:23:34 APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.

18:23:44 THIS SHOWS CFI RELOCATING BUSINESS FROM 5215 W. TYSON

18:23:45 AVENUE.

18:23:47 NOT REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH COMPLIANCE WITH LAND USE

18:23:49 POLICY 8.11.5.

18:23:54 THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER 2 PROVIDES THAT THE

18:23:56 REMOVAL OF THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT TO AND THROUGH

18:23:59 THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND INSTEAD HAS ONE ACCESS

18:24:03 POINT ON W. TYSON AVENUE RIGHT DOW DOWN HERE TO THE

18:24:08 SOUTH AS YOU SEE OVER HERE WITH THE ARROW.

18:24:12 IN ADDITION THE GENERAL NOTES THAT ADDRESS THE DESIGN

18:24:16 SPECIFIC ISSUES WITH 8.11.5 ARE NOT VALID AND THEY ARE

18:24:20 ALSO REMOVED.

18:24:23 I HAVE THE TWO SITES HERE SIDE BY SIDE AS YOU CAN SEE.

18:24:26 YOU HAVE THAT MARINA UP HERE TO THE NORTH.

18:24:29 YOU WILL HAVE TO THE NORTHEAST, YOU WILL HAVE THAT

18:24:31 RETAIL.

18:24:35 TO THE SOUTHEAST, YOU WILL HAVE THAT FOUR-STORY GARAGE.

18:24:38 THROUGHOUT THE CENTER OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE THAT

18:24:42 RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE AND YOU WILL HAVE

18:24:45 THE ACCESS POINT.

18:24:49 NOW ALTERNATIVE PLAN 1, THREE LANES COMPARED TO

18:24:52 ALTERNATIVE PLAN 2 WITH TWO LANES.

18:24:54 ALTERNATIVE PLAN 2, YOU HAVE ONE ACCESS.

18:24:59 AND ALTERNATIVE PLAN 1, TWO ACCESS POINTS AS YOU SEE

18:25:03 THE BOLD ENTRANCE-EXIT HERE AND ENTRANCE-EXIT TO THE

18:25:07 SOUTH.

18:25:10 AS YOU SEE, I WENT TO THE SITE THE OTHER DAY, AND YOU

18:25:15 WILL SEE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE ON THE SITE AS IS.

18:25:18 AND TO THE NORTH, YOU WILL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE

18:25:21 SITE AS IS.

18:25:27 TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE INDUSTRIAL.

18:25:30 AND ALSO TO THE SITE THE ACCESS AREA AND MORE

18:25:33 INDUSTRIAL OVER HERE.

18:25:35 TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE A MILITARY

18:25:37 OPERATIONS AREA.

18:25:40 AND DOWN THE STREET TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL

18:25:45 HAVE SALT SHACK RESTAURANT ON THE WATER.

18:25:47 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE INDUSTRIAL.

18:25:49 THIS IS ON TYSON.

18:25:51 THERE THIS IS TYSON ROAD.

18:25:52 INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES.

18:25:57 AND DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE THE CFI

18:26:03 LOCATION THAT WE ARE SPEAKING OF ON 5215 WEST TYSON.

18:26:07 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE INDUSTRIAL.

18:26:11 AND ALSO THIS IS FROM TYSON ROAD LOOKING ABOVE.

18:26:14 5215 RIGHT HERE, GATED AREA.

18:26:22 ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU WILL HAVE THE SUBJECT PARCEL.

18:26:25 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED

18:26:28 AND FINDS COMPLIANCE WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH LAND

18:26:33 USE POLICY 8.11.5, THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE

18:26:36 APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

18:26:39 IF APPROVING THE APPLICATION, MODIFICATION OF THE SITE

18:26:41 PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BY THE APPLICANT BETWEEN FIRST

18:26:45 AND SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE AS STATED ON THE

18:26:46 REVISION SHEET.

18:26:46 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

18:26:48 I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, IF NEEDED.

18:26:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?

18:26:53 GENTLEMEN?

18:27:23 HEARING NONE, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

18:27:25 >> HEY, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

18:27:28 I AM GOING TO AGREE IT IS REALLY GREAT TO BE BACK IN

18:27:30 PERSON.

18:27:33 IF I MAY, I AM GOING TO -- GIVEN THE VARIETY AND

18:27:35 SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE ISSUES TONIGHT, I WOULD

18:27:39 RESPECTFULLY REQUEST SOME EXTRA TIME, IF I COULD HAVE

18:27:40 TEN MINUTES EXTRA.

18:27:46 I DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO NEED IT, BUT I WOULD -- I

18:27:47 WOULD REQUEST IT.

18:28:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, WHAT IS THE RULE ON THAT?

18:28:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS WOULD APPLY TO

18:28:09 QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS

18:28:14 ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THE -- OF THE HEARING TONIGHT,

18:28:16 ALTHOUGH YOUR DECISIONS ARE SEPARATE.

18:28:18 BUT LET ME READ WHAT THE RULE IS, REQUEST FOR

18:28:21 ADDITIONAL TIME MAY ONLY BE REQUESTED IF THE

18:28:24 PARTICIPANT ESTABLISHES TO THE SAT ORPHANING OF COUNCIL

18:28:27 THAT ADDITIONAL TIME IS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL

18:28:29 DUE PROCESS.

18:28:34 COUNCILMEMBERS MAY BY A MAJORITY VOTE GRANT OR DENY A

18:28:38 REQUEST OF THE ADDITIONAL TIME, IF ANY.

18:28:43 IN THE EVENT A APPLICANT IS GIVEN ADDITIONAL TIME, THE

18:28:45 PETITIONER WHO IS IN THIS CASE ASKING FOR THE

18:28:48 ADDITIONAL TIME MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL TIME FOR

18:28:51 PURPOSES OF REBUTTAL AS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL

18:28:53 DUE PROCESS.

18:28:55 COUNCIL, THERE IS A SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATION.

18:28:58 YOU HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN EXPERT

18:29:01 WITNESS THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING, WHICH IS PART

18:29:03 OF THE PRESENTATION.

18:29:08 SO IT IS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT IS AN

18:29:11 ISSUE OF PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS.

18:29:13 AND IT IS UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

18:29:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO AHEAD AND BE RECOGNIZED.

18:29:18 >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE WE GIVE THEM TEN MORE MINUTES.

18:29:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHAIRMAN, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO

18:29:23 ANYTHING -- I AM NOT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS SAID AT

18:29:26 THIS POINT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE OTHER SIDE --

18:29:28 WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE HERE ALSO IS GIVEN ADDITIONAL

18:29:33 SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

18:29:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.

18:29:37 CAN YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION IN REFERENCE TO TEN MINUTES

18:29:38 FOR BOTH SIDES?

18:29:40 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

18:29:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON SAY BOTH SIDES WILL HAVE

18:29:45 AN ADDITIONAL TEN MINUTES IF NECESSARY.

18:29:47 MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED.

18:29:48 ALL IN FAVOR.

18:29:51 OPPOSED.

18:30:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TOTAL TIME, MADAM CLERK OF -- 25?

18:30:03 >>CLERK: 25 MINUTES.

18:30:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, ARE YOU GOOD NOW OR NEED

18:30:08 A BREAK?

18:30:09 YOU MAY PROCEED.

18:30:09 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

18:30:15 ANN POLLOCK, 433 CENTRAL AVENUE IN ST. PETE.

18:30:20 I REPRESENT WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS ON THIS PROJECT.

18:30:24 WE HAVE A BIG TEAM AND THEY ARE HERE IN PERSON.

18:30:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE BOY SCOUTS ARE GOING TO LEAVE

18:30:26 NOW.

18:30:28 MAYBE LET THEM OUT.

18:30:31 >> CAN YOU PAUSE MY TIME, MY PRECIOUS TIME.

18:30:33 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

18:30:35 >> THEY DON'T WANT TO STAY?

18:30:47 >> THIS IS WHERE IT GETS EXCITING.

18:30:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DID YOU TEACH AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL?

18:30:59 YEAH.

18:31:11 ALL RIGHT.

18:31:13 >> FOR OVER 20 YEARS THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL HAVE

18:31:16 DIRECTED THAT THIS AREA TRANSFORM FROM INDUSTRIAL TO

18:31:18 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

18:31:23 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS AMENDED TO CMU-35 FOR MOST

18:31:26 OF THE PENINSULA AND OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, THE

18:31:32 COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE REZONING OF SEVERAL PARCELS ON

18:31:35 THE PENINSULA TO SET IN FORTH THIS AND RECONNECT THE

18:31:36 PUBLIC BACK TO THE WATERFRONT.

18:31:39 WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT TRANSITION.

18:31:42 WHEN WE WERE HERE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, YOU RAISED

18:31:44 SEVERAL CONCERNS, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO THE

18:31:48 PROPOSED DENSITY AND THE PROJECT'S CAPACITY AND SAFETY

18:31:51 NEXT TO THE CHEMICAL FORMULATOR SITE.

18:31:54 WE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH YOUR STAFF OVER THE PAST YEAR

18:31:57 TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AND WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WHAT

18:31:58 WE HAVE DONE, HOW WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR

18:31:59 APPROVAL.

18:32:02 AND WHY YOU SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THIS

18:32:03 PROJECT.

18:32:07 THE RECONFIGURED PROJECT WAS EXPLICITLY DESIGNED TO

18:32:10 ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS AND A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS

18:32:12 CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY APPROVED NEARBY.

18:32:15 COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SURROUNDING USES

18:32:17 AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES

18:32:20 APPLICABLE TO IT.

18:32:23 INITIALLY DECREASED THE DENSITY BY 25%.

18:32:26 REDUCING FROM THE 299 UNITS TO 226.

18:32:29 IT PUTS US AT 27 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY

18:32:32 COMPATIBLE TO THE OTHER PROJECTS THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS

18:32:35 APPROVED RECENTLY NEARBY.

18:32:38 STAFF FELT THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND

18:32:41 CERTAINLY WELL BELOW WHAT IS ALLOWED WITH THE 30 UNITS

18:32:47 PER ACRE AND THE 1.0 F.A.R. LOCATED BY THE CMU-35.

18:32:50 INCREASED COMMERCIAL TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET TO PROVIDE

18:32:55 THE MIX OF USES, AND EXPANDED THE TYPE OF USES ALLOWED

18:32:58 UNDER THE RETAIL TO PROVIDE A GREATER -- A GREATER MIX.

18:33:01 THIS -- THIS COMMERCIAL USE IS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF

18:33:04 THE PROJECT, FRONTING THE FULLY ACCESSIBLE WATERFRONT,

18:33:08 PROVIDING THE MOST BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC AND RESIDENTS.

18:33:11 THE REDESIGNED PLANS SHIFTS THE BUILDINGS A BIT MOVING

18:33:15 THE GARAGE EAST AND RESIDENTIAL WEST AWAY FROM THE CFI

18:33:16 SITE TO THE SOUTH.

18:33:20 THE GARAGE IS FOUR STORIES AND SOUTH WALL IS ENCLOSED

18:33:23 TO PROVIDE GREATER PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTS AND WE

18:33:26 WILL GET INTO THE FULL SAFETY MEASURES IN A MOMENT.

18:33:28 THE PROJECT REMAINS SINGLE BUILDING WITH COURT YARDS

18:33:30 AND A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.

18:33:34 IN FACT, WE EXCEED THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT BY 17%.

18:33:40 THIS IS THE ENTRANCE AS YOU DRIVE UP THE LONG PORK CHOP

18:33:43 DRIVEWAY BUT THE FOCUS IS ON THE INTERPLAY WITH THE

18:33:45 WATERFRONT.

18:33:50 THE RATTLESNAKE POINT POLICY REQUIRES SPECIFIC ACCESS TO

18:33:54 THE WATERFRONT AND WE HAVE A WATERFRONT PROMENADE

18:33:54 CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

18:33:57 PUBLIC TRAIL WINDING ALONG THE WATERFRONT WITH

18:34:01 CROSS-ACCESS TO THE ADJACENT PARCELS WHICH HOPEFULLY

18:34:04 WILL BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO CONTINUE WITH

18:34:06 THE PATH AROUND RATTLESNAKE POINT.

18:34:12 CONNECTS TO THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS THAT CREATES AN

18:34:15 ADDITIONAL ONE-THIRD MILE LOOP WITHIN THIS PROPERTY.

18:34:18 A LOT OF OUTDOOR AMENITIES AND THE CURRENT RETAIL

18:34:22 RESTAURANT SPACE SUPPORTING THE WATERFRONT USERS AND

18:34:24 FEATURES TO FURTHER PROCEDURE TICKET THE PROPERTY FROM

18:34:26 STORM SURGE AND STORM DAMAGE.

18:34:33 WHAT MAKES THIS SITE SPECIAL IS THE 15-SLIP MARINA

18:34:35 DEVELOPED FROM THE OLD BOAT TOCK THERE FROM THE BOAT

18:34:36 MANUFACTURING PLANT.

18:34:40 YOU CAN ACCESS BY BOAT, BIKE AND CAR.

18:34:44 SURFACE PARKING ALONG THE WEST SIDE BUT THE PARKING

18:34:47 GARAGE IS FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

18:34:50 WE ARE ASKING A WAIVER TO THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BUT OUR

18:34:54 DESIGN HAS SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED FROM WHEN WE FIRST

18:34:54 CAME TO YOU.

18:35:00 THAT UNIQUE PORK CHOP SHAPE GIVES A LIMITED DRIVEWAY

18:35:00 SPACE.

18:35:04 TO MAKE ROOM FOR NECESSARY DRIVEWAY LANES WE ARE

18:35:07 REQUIRED TO HAVE BECAUSE ADJACENT TO CFI AND PROTECT

18:35:10 THE TREES AND THE SIDEWALK, WE ARE REQUESTING TO

18:35:15 DECREASE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER FROM TEN FEET -- FROM 15

18:35:17 FEET TO 10 FEET.

18:35:19 BECAUSE WE ARE ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL.

18:35:23 WE HAVE TRIED TO LIMIT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND

18:35:27 COMMITTED FOR THE FULL 15 FEET OF LANDSCAPING MATERIAL

18:35:28 IN THAT TEN-FEET SPACE.

18:35:32 AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OTHER SIDE THE SIDEWALK

18:35:34 ACTUALLY HAS MORE GREEN SPACE ON IT.

18:35:39 BUT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY COUNT THAT TOWARD THE BUFFER.

18:35:42 WE HAVE REALLY MADE THE INTENT OF THE -- MET THE INTENT

18:35:44 OF THE CODE, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T COUNT.

18:35:50 WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING A TEN-FOOT WALL ON THE SOUTH

18:35:55 SIDE TO MITIGATE FOR THE ADJACENT CFI USE AND WE HAVE

18:35:56 TO ASK FOR A WAIVER WITH THAT.

18:35:59 WE BELIEVE THAT THE WAIVERS ARE IN HARMONY OF THE

18:36:01 INTENT OF THE CODE AND SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE TO GIVE THE

18:36:03 PUBLIC BENEFIT.

18:36:05 THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF HAVE FOUND THE

18:36:09 PROJECT WITH THE REDUCED DENSITY CONSISTENCY WITH THE

18:36:13 COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVISIONS AND

18:36:15 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

18:36:19 WE HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED IN THE AREA AN INDEPENDENT

18:36:22 PLANNING REPORT WITH STEARNS WEAVER MILLER WHO IS HERE

18:36:24 TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

18:36:27 I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITHED

18:36:32 CMU-35, THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP

18:36:37 PLAN, MIXED USE CORRIDOR POLICY AND LAND DEVELOPMENT

18:36:40 CODE AND GIVEN THE LARGER ISSUES, I AM GOING TO GO JUST

18:36:43 BRIEFLY FROM SOME OF THE RATTLESNAKE POINT POLICIES

18:36:45 THAT ARE APPLICABLE.

18:36:49 8.11.6 IS THE TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION REQUIREMENT.

18:36:54 WE ARE IN A TCA TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION

18:36:58 AREA WHICH REQUIRES WE COMPLY WITH ALL CODE REQUIRED

18:37:00 TRANSPORTATION CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU HEARD

18:37:02 MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT WE HAVE DONE.

18:37:07 WE ARE COMMITTED TO PAYING OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE

18:37:10 MITIGATION PAYMENT AND COMMITTED TO PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC

18:37:15 SIGNAL AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE WHICH IS PAID TWO YEARS

18:37:16 FROM NOW.

18:37:17 TWO YEARS FROM DEVELOP.

18:37:18 AFTER YOU DO A STUDY.

18:37:21 BUT WE ARE COMMITTING TO PAY THAT UP FRONT AT BUILDING

18:37:22 PERMIT.

18:37:25 IN ADDITION, AS PART OF THIS SETTLEMENT, WE ARE

18:37:30 SPLITTING TO PAY $174,000 TOWARD IMPROVEMENTS TO TYSON.

18:37:35 RECOGNIZING THAT TYSON IS A -- IS A SUBSTANDARD ROAD

18:37:36 THAT NEED A LOT OF HELP.

18:37:38 WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.

18:37:42 WE REALLY ARE PAYING -- FULLY MITIGATING OUR IMPACT

18:37:45 PLUS SOME AS MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED AS CODE.

18:37:49 OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER STEVE HENRY IS ON THE ONLINE TO

18:37:51 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT.

18:37:53 NO, PUT IT BACK.

18:37:56 8.11.7 IS THE OTHER ONE I WANT TO MENTION.

18:38:01 THAT AND THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT PROVIDE THAT

18:38:04 REZONINGS ARE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE THEIR AIM PACT ON

18:38:07 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BY MITIGATING IMPACT ON

18:38:09 SHELTER SPACE.

18:38:12 WE HAVE COMMITTED TO MAKE THE REQUIRED PAYMENT REQUIRED

18:38:14 BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE PLANNING

18:38:16 COMMISSION HAS CONFIRMED THIS MAKES US CONSISTENT WITH

18:38:17 THIS POLICY.

18:38:21 BUT WE HAVE ALSO COMMITTED AN INDEPENDENT REPORT INTO

18:38:25 THE RECORD BY RANDY COHEN WHO IS HERE TONIGHT VIRTUALLY

18:38:26 TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

18:38:29 AND HIS REPORT SHOW THAT'S EVACUATION TRAFFIC FROM THE

18:38:33 SITE WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE REGIONAL OR LOCAL IMPACT

18:38:39 ON THE PRIMARY EVACUATION ROUTES.

18:38:40 ING THE PROJECT.

18:38:41 DESPITE THOSE RESULTS, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO AN

18:38:45 EMERGENCY PLANNING RESPONSE AND RECOVERY PLAN TO MAKE

18:38:48 SURE ANY EVACUATION PROCESS IS SAFE, SMOOTH AND THE

18:38:52 LEAST IMPACTFUL ON THE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY

18:38:56 INCLUDING REQUIRING NOTICE TO TENANTS TO THE NATURE OF

18:38:57 WHERE THEY ARE LIVING.

18:39:00 AND PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT EVACUATION, EVACUATION

18:39:04 REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDING A EVACUATION TRANSPORTATION

18:39:10 SERVICE FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T EVACUATE ON THEIR OWN.

18:39:13 WE HAVE DISCUSSED 8.11.5.

18:39:16 WE DISCUSSED TRANSPORTATION AND SHELTER MITIGATION.

18:39:18 DEMONSTRATED PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT.

18:39:23 THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, OF COURSE, IS CFI, WHO IS OUR

18:39:23 NEIGHBOR.

18:39:26 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS INSTITUTE EVIDENCE-BASED,

18:39:30 EXPERT-APPROVED MITIGATION MEASURES IN CONCERT WITH A

18:39:34 FULL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE FACILITY IS OPERATED AND

18:39:39 REGULATED AND HOW CHLORINE WORKS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY

18:39:42 PRIMARILY DO AT THE FACILITY SO THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT

18:39:46 UNDULY AT RISK AND MEET THE STANDARDS OF THIS POLICY

18:39:50 AND THIS LAST PROVISION IT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT

18:39:50 RELEVANT.

18:39:54 SO AS STAFF AND CATE EXPLAINED, THE SETTLEMENT INVOLVES

18:39:55 TWO ALTERNATIVES.

18:40:01 ONE IF CFI STAYS WHICH WE HOPE AT THIS POINT WOULD BE

18:40:05 TEMPORARY EVEN IF THEY DID STAY AND ONE IF THEY GO.

18:40:08 THE LADDER OPTION IS A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY AND STILL

18:40:13 COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR HANDS AND CONFIDENTIAL MATTER

18:40:16 BETWEEN THIRD PARTIES.

18:40:20 WE WILL ASK FOR FLEXIBILITY AND ASKING FOR YOU TO

18:40:22 APPROVE BOTH PLANS AND IF IT DOES HAPPEN, WE WILL HAVE

18:40:25 THE OPTION OF PICKING BOTH PLANS AND MOVING FORWARD.

18:40:27 EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR APPLIES TO BOTH

18:40:29 ALTERNATIVE PLANS.

18:40:34 THE DENSITY REDUCTION, THE MIX OF USES, THE LAYOUT, THE

18:40:36 WATERFRONT PROMENADE.

18:40:40 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS ALTERNATIVE 1, EXPERT,

18:40:44 MITIGATION-BASED MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS

18:40:46 ARE NOT UNDULY UNSAFE.

18:40:50 THE MEASURES WE HAVE PROVIDED GO WELL BEYOND WHAT THE

18:40:54 COMP PLAN DESIRES AS EFFECTED PRACTICES.

18:40:57 AND I WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN.

18:41:01 WE SHIFTED THE GARAGE EAST AND MOVED THE RESIDENTS

18:41:04 CLOSE TO THAT CFI SITE, WE MOVED THEM WEST.

18:41:09 WE DELAWARE SIGNED A GARAGE WITH A SOUTHERN WALL.

18:41:13 WE HAVE A TEN-FOOT WALL ALONG THE SOUTH BOUNDARY.

18:41:17 THIRD LANE ON THE PRIMARY ACCESS DRIVEWAY SO CFI TRUCKS

18:41:21 AT THIS POINT USE THE DRIVEWAY TO ENTER THEIR PROPERTY,

18:41:25 THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ACCESS DRIVEWAY AND WON'T INTERFERE

18:41:30 WITH THE RESIDENTS USING THE DRIVEWAY THEMSELVES.

18:41:33 ADDED THAT SECONDARY DRIVEWAY SO THE RESIDENTS DON'T

18:41:34 HAVE TO USE THAT.

18:41:37 CHLORINE MONITORING SYSTEM SO ANY LEVEL OF CHLORINE THAT

18:41:41 ESCAPES FROM IT HAPPENS TO HAPPEN, AT WHICH WE

18:41:45 GET AN ALERT AND WE CAN HAVE OUR ALERT SYSTEM, OUR

18:41:48 COMMUNICATION SYSTEM ALERT THE RESIDENTS.

18:41:50 NO FRESH AIR HVAC PROVIDED BY CODE.

18:41:56 SHELTER-IN-PLACE WHICH IS AN APPROPRIATE MEASURE WITH

18:41:57 CHLORINE.

18:42:00 RESIDENTS GET AN EMERGENCY WARNING.

18:42:03 BE SAFE INSIDE AND THEY ARE SAFE INSIDE.

18:42:10 EMERGENCY RESPONSE REJECTED FOR HURRICANE AND CFI.

18:42:13 AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE EDUCATION AND THEY FEEL SAFE.

18:42:15 SO WE FEEL THIS IS APPROPRIATE.

18:42:18 WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS

18:42:21 FOUND US CONSISTENT WITH 8.11.5.

18:42:28 AND IN ADDITION, OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE WORKED WITH CFI

18:42:32 AND CFI WAS RECENTLY AN OPPONENT, BUT WE HAVE A LETTER

18:42:34 THAT THEY DO NOT OPPOSE THIS PLAN.

18:42:37 AND THEY HAVE DETERMINED THAT THEY WILL, YOU KNOW,

18:42:39 SUPPORT THIS PLAN TONIGHT.

18:42:43 SO -- AND I CAN SUBMIT THAT INTO THE RECORD.

18:42:46 SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.

18:42:48 I AM NOT THE CHEMICAL EXPERT.

18:42:52 SO TONIGHT I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE TO YOU MR. NONY, WHO

18:42:53 IS ONLINE.

18:43:00 OUR PRINCIPAL TOXICOLOGIST RENOWNED INDUSTRIAL RESPONSE

18:43:03 HYGIENE COMPANY AND HE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT BACK

18:43:06 GROUND ON CHLORINE, CFI'S FACILITY, HOW IT IS REGULATED

18:43:13 AND THE INCREDIBLE ADVANCEMENT OF SAFETY OVER THE PAST

18:43:16 5 TO 15 YEARS AND WHY THE MITIGATION IS APPROPRIATE AND

18:43:18 SUFFICIENT FOR THIS SITE.

18:43:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO HAS A QUESTION.

18:43:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PUT UP THAT PRIOR -- THERE NOW.

18:43:27 JUST FOR MY QUESTIONING AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE

18:43:33 WONDERING, AS SOON AS IT COMES BACK UP.

18:43:39 THE BLUE LINES THAT ARE ON THAT, ARE THEY SIGNIFYING

18:43:42 THE RAIL LINES.

18:43:42 >> YES.

18:43:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WAIT UNTIL THEY COME UP.

18:43:49 THE ONE THAT IS GOING IN FRONT OF THE MAIN DRIVE.

18:43:50 >> YES.

18:43:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT ONE THERE.

18:43:55 AND GO MIDWAY UP WHERE YOU HAVE THE OTHER

18:43:56 ENTRANCE-EXIT.

18:43:57 THAT EXIT.

18:44:02 WHERE DOES THAT LEAD TO?

18:44:04 >> THAT ONE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

18:44:08 AS THAT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED,

18:44:13 THAT ONE WILL BE CONNECTED AND THAT DRIVEWAY WILL COME

18:44:15 OUT THROUGH HERE.

18:44:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WILL THAT DRIVEWAY STILL CROSS THE

18:44:19 RAILROAD TRACKS.

18:44:22 >> IT WILL, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT RAILROAD TRACK AS

18:44:28 -- AS WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE HAPPENING HERE, THIS LINE

18:44:36 IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DECOMMISSIONED SOONER RATHER

18:44:37 THAN LATER.

18:44:40 THE WOMAN TO YOUR LEFT WITH CSX?

18:44:46 >> NICOLE LYNN WITH THE APPLICANT, ARDURRA GROUP.

18:44:54 THE ADJACENT USE ACTUALLY HAS AN ENTRANCE ALREADY THAT

18:44:56 CONNECTS BACK DOWN TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACK.

18:44:59 THEREFORE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CROSS OVER THROUGH THAT

18:45:02 PROPERTY, THROUGH THAT CROSS-ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING TO

18:45:05 RECROSS THE -- THE PRIVATE LINE AT THAT POINT.

18:45:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO --

18:45:08 >> THE PRIVATE RAIL LINE.

18:45:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THIS ALL PROPOSED OR DEFINITE?

18:45:12 >> THIS IS EXISTING.

18:45:16 THERE IS ALREADY SPACE TO THE WEST OF WHERE THAT

18:45:21 PRIVATE RAIL LINE ENDS THAT YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH NOW.

18:45:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, WITH THAT

18:45:26 PROPERTY NOT BEING DEVELOPED TO THE WEST, EVENTUALLY

18:45:28 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO --

18:45:32 >> THERE IS AN EXISTING GATE THERE, SIR, ALREADY.

18:45:34 SO YOU CAN ALREADY ACCESS IT.

18:45:38 NOT AS IMPROVED AS IT WOULD BE WITH REDEVELOPMENT.

18:45:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS POINT, IT IS NOT IMPROVED --

18:45:46 SO WHICH MEANS IF YOU DRIVE A FORD F-150 OR SUV OR

18:45:50 FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, YOU CAN GET ACROSS THE UNIMPROVED

18:45:51 SECTION TO GET AROUND.

18:45:57 >> YOU CAN GET ACROSS IT IN.

18:46:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

18:46:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE QUESTION.

18:46:04 WHEN TALK OF THE DEAL, TWO ALTERNATIVES.

18:46:09 >> YES.

18:46:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS WELLS, WOULD THAT BE IN WRITING IF THE ONE

18:46:15 PARTY DOES NOT VACATE THE OTHER SIDE THAT THE DEAL WILL

18:46:21 STAND TERM AND THAT WAY THEY DON'T RENEGE.

18:46:26 HOW DOES THAT WORK?

18:46:33 >>CATE WELLS: SO WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSES THAT IF CFI SELLS

18:46:38 THE PROPERTY, THEN ESSENTIALLY THE PROPOSAL FOR THEIR

18:46:45 SALE IS THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THEM

18:46:46 SELLING THE PROPERTY.

18:46:52 AND THE SITE PLAN COMMITS THAT WE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED

18:46:56 TO HAVE RESIDENTS MOVE IN WITHIN THAT TWO-YEAR PERIOD.

18:47:00 THAT WILL BE -- ESSENTIALLY THE ENFORCEMENT THAT WILL

18:47:05 ALLOW, RESTRICT, THE -- PROVIDE FOR THE SAFETY MEASURE

18:47:07 THAT WILL ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD NOT BE MOVING

18:47:12 IN WHEN THE CFI FACILITY WAS STILL OPERATING.

18:47:16 IT PROVIDES FOR THE END OF THE OPERATION OF THE CFI

18:47:19 FACILITY.

18:47:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, YOU MAY PROCEED.

18:47:24 >> THAT WAS SORT OF THE WAY TO GET AROUND -- TO ENSURE

18:47:29 THAT THERE WASN'T -- CFI WASN'T OPERATING.

18:47:32 AND IN ORDER TO AVOID HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE

18:47:34 MITIGATION.

18:47:37 AND THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS THAT THAT IS EITHER IN THE

18:47:39 WORKS OR GOING TO HAPPEN SOON.

18:47:45 BUT CERTAINLY NOTHING -- NOTHING WOULD START UNTIL THE

18:47:47 PROPERTY HAD ACTUALLY BEEN SOLD.

18:47:52 AND SO, THE IDEA IS, IF -- IF WOODFIELD STARTS

18:48:00 IMMEDIATELY, THEN, YOU KNOW, -- AND THEY HAVEN'T SOLD,

18:48:03 NOTHING WOULD REALLY BE TRIGGERED AND MOVE FORWARD

18:48:05 UNDER THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE.

18:48:09 BUT WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT THINGS MOVE ALONG QUICKLY.

18:48:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY PROCEED.

18:48:14 >> IS MR. NONY.

18:48:16 IS HE ON LINE?

18:48:18 >> YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

18:48:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU.

18:48:21 WERE YOU SWORN IN --

18:48:25 >> MY CAMERA WAS OFF, AND I DIDN'T KNOW MY TIME.

18:48:28 >>CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

18:48:29 [SWEARING IN]

18:48:30 >> I DO.

18:48:32 >>CLERK: THANK YOU.

18:48:35 >> GOOD EVENING TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND STAFF AND THE

18:48:41 PUBLIC THAT ARE ATTENDING THIS MEETING.

18:48:42 I AM PAUL NONY.

18:48:46 I AM A TOXICOLOGIST.

18:48:51 A PH.D. IN TOXICOLOGY AND CERTIFIED SAFETY.

18:48:57 I HAVE EXPERIENCE CHEMICAL RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TO

18:49:02 CHLORINE RELEASES OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRAIN

18:49:09 DERAILMENT AND THE DEBARTLO CLEAN.

18:49:13 AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHLORINE AND SAFETY.

18:49:17 CHLORINE WHEN IT RELEASES A HEAVY DENSE GAS.

18:49:21 WHEN THAT COMPRESSED LIQUID COMES OUT SOMETHING LIKE A

18:49:24 CAR, IT STAYS LOW TO THE GROUND UNTIL IT WARMS UP AND

18:49:28 ACCEPTABLE OF BARRIERS LIKE WALLS THAT CAN PREVENT ITS

18:49:31 MITIGATION FOR MIGRATION ALONG THE GROUND.

18:49:35 SMALLER RELEASES LIKE A VALVE ON A TANK CAR AND

18:49:38 FACILITY START AS A GAS AND DO NOT TRAVEL VERY FAR

18:49:40 BEFORE THEY DISSIPATE.

18:49:47 CHLORINE GAS DISSIPATES FASTER IN WARMER WEATHER SUCH

18:49:50 AS TAMPA AND TRAVEL WITH THE PREVAILING WIND.

18:49:54 BASED ON DATA, THE PROPOSED WOODFIELD WILL ONLY BE DOWN

18:49:59 WIND OF THE CFI FACILITY.

18:50:04 SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW CHLORINE IS TRANSFERRED AND

18:50:05 STORED.

18:50:10 CHLORINE IS TRANSPORTED IN 90-TON RAILCARS.

18:50:12 LIKE CSX RAILS.

18:50:15 BUT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND U.S. AND EVERY MAJOR

18:50:16 CITIES.

18:50:20 IT IS TRANSPORTED IN LOWER CONTAINERS.

18:50:25 TODAY CHLORINE TANK CARS ARE THE MOST ROBUST TANK CAR.

18:50:29 JANUARY 2009, D.O.T. REQUIRED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A

18:50:32 NEXT-GENERATION TANK CAR THAT HAD FULL SUPPORT OF THE

18:50:34 CHEMICAL INDUSTRY.

18:50:38 THE NEW TANK CAR HAS SIDE IMPACT PUNCTURE RESISTANCE.

18:50:43 ARMOR OF A HALF-INCH-THICK STEEL, STRENGTH IN VALVES,

18:50:45 TOP FITTINGS AND NOZZLES.

18:50:48 CONSISTENT OF AN OUTER STEEL JACKET.

18:50:52 INTERNAL INSULATION LAYER OF MATERIALS LIKE CERAMIC

18:50:58 FIBERS AND FIBERGLASS AND A INTERNAL ONE-INCH-THICK

18:51:00 TANK THAT DELIVERS THE CHLORINE.

18:51:04 THEY ARE MADE TO WITHSTAND UNBELIEVABLE HEAVY FORCE

18:51:09 LIKE A HIGH-SPEED TRAIN DERAILMENT OR WHAT MAY OCCUR

18:51:15 WITH ATTEMPTED SABOTAGE OR TERRORISM.

18:51:19 HISTORICALLY RELEASE HAVE ONLY HANDS BECAUSE OF MAJOR

18:51:21 TRAIN HE DERAILMENTS.

18:51:28 STORAGE OF A CHLORINE TANK CAR OR SLOW SPEED MONTHS OF

18:51:33 COLOR TANKERS ON RAIL LINE OF CFI PRESENT PRACTICALLY

18:51:37 ZERO RISK OF A LARGE-SCALE RELEASE BECAUSE OF THE ARMOR

18:51:39 ON THESE TANK CARS.

18:51:42 IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN HOW STRONG THE CARS ARE.

18:51:46 THE SAFEST PLANK PLACE FOR A CHLORINE RAIL TANK CAR FOR

18:51:50 AN ACCIDENTAL RELEASE IS IN A SECURED LOCATION,

18:51:55 STATIONARY WITH THE BOWS PROPERLY SECURED LIKE THEY ARE

18:51:56 AT CFI.

18:52:01 SMALLER NONDERAILMENT RELEASES -- A RELEASE OF GAS THAT

18:52:05 OCCURS NOT BECAUSE THE TRAIN HAS COLLIDED, FROM A RAIL

18:52:08 TANK CAR DOWN 50% SINCE 2010.

18:52:12 IN 2019, ONLY FOUR SMALL RELEASES IN TRANSPORTATION

18:52:17 INVOLVING CHLORINE IN THE U.S. AND CANADA.

18:52:19 OUT 52,000 SHIPMENTS.

18:52:23 RELEASE IN MITIGATION TECHNOLOGY OF SMALL RELEASES OF

18:52:27 CHLORINES ADVANCED SO THAT THESE RELEASES ARE KEPT

18:52:30 SMALL AND LOWER IMPACT IF THEY EVEN OCCUR AT ALL.

18:52:34 WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY SINCE EVEN THE '90S AND EARLY

18:52:35 2000S.

18:52:38 MOST SMALL CHLORINE RELEASES OCCUR BECAUSE OF

18:52:41 IMPROPERLY CLOSED OR SECURED VALVES AT THE SHIPPER

18:52:46 OPINION THESE ISSUES ARE UNLIKELY TO ARISE AFTER THE

18:52:48 TANK CAR HAS TRAVELED MANY, MANY MILES AND IN STORAGE

18:52:51 AT A FACILITY LIKE CFI.

18:52:56 BY WANT TO TALK LITTLE BIT ABOUT CFI'S CHLORINE SAFETY

18:52:58 MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

18:53:01 THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED NUMEROUS PREVENTIVE AND MITIGATED

18:53:06 CONTROLS TO ELIMINATE AND MITIGATE CHLORINE RELEASE

18:53:07 DURING OPERATION.

18:53:09 FOR EXAMPLE, THE BLEACH PRODUCTION BUILDING IS ENCLOSED

18:53:13 AND EQUIPPED WITH A CHLORINE GAS SCRUBBER AND A

18:53:18 CHLORINE GAS DETECTION SYSTEM THAT TRIGGER AN AUTO SHUT

18:53:19 DOWN SYSTEM.

18:53:23 THE RAILCAR UNLOADING AREA IS EQUIPPED WITH A DELUGE

18:53:27 SYSTEM THAT WOULD RELEASE CHEMICAL THAT WILL CAPTURE

18:53:32 ANY CHLORINE THAT WAS RELEASED IF VAPORS WERE DETECTED

18:53:36 DURING THE CHLORINE TRANSFER PROCESS DURING THE RAIL

18:53:38 TRANSFER FACILITY.

18:53:43 EXCESS FLOW VALVES ARE ENGAGED DURING THE CHLORINE

18:53:44 PROCESS THAT WILL CLOSE.

18:53:47 IF THERE IS A BREAK IN THE SYSTEM AND PREVENT

18:53:52 SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF CHLORINE TO BE RELEASED AND CSI

18:53:55 PERIMETER WILL HAVE A CHLORINE DEFENSE SYSTEM THAT WILL

18:53:58 ALARM IF A BEAK LEAK.

18:54:01 MITIGATED PATROLS IN THEIR EMERGENCY RESPONSE

18:54:04 PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN EVALUATED AND APPROVED BY

18:54:05 REPRESENTATIVES OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

18:54:08 WE HAVE MEMOS FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY EPC

18:54:13 INDICATING THAT CFI HAS INSTALLED PROPER PREVENTIVE

18:54:16 SYSTEMS TO MINIMIZE CHLORINE RELEASES FROM THEIR

18:54:17 OPERATIONS.

18:54:19 SO, AGAIN, I WANT TO GO INTO SOME OF THE MITIGATION

18:54:24 PROCEDURES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED FOR A THE AT 1.

18:54:28 WOODFIELD'S UPDATED PLANS HAVE DESIGN FACTORS THAT

18:54:32 PROVIDE GREAT PROCEDURE TEXAS FOR VISITORS RELEASE

18:54:36 CHLORINE FROM CFI TO MY GREAT ON TO THE PROPERTY.

18:54:39 SHIFTING RESIDENTS AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY GIVE

18:54:40 US MORE DISTANCE.

18:54:42 DISTANCE IS IMPORTANT.

18:54:48 A TEN-FOOT-WALL PROPOSED ALONG THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE

18:54:49 DEVELOPMENT.

18:54:52 AS I MENTIONED BEFORE A LARGE SCALE RELEASE -- WHICH IS

18:54:59 HIGHLY UNLIKELY, BUT CHLORINES MIGRATE ALONG THE

18:54:59 GROUND.

18:55:05 TEN-FOOT WALL WILL AT LEAST PRESENTS A BARRIER TO

18:55:08 PREVENT THE MITIGATION OF THOSE CONCENTRATIONS OF

18:55:10 CHLORINE FROM MOVING THAT WAY.

18:55:14 AND THAT IS ONLY IF THE PREVAILING WINDS ARE FROM THE

18:55:15 SOUTH.

18:55:18 AS I MENTIONED, THE PREVAILING WINDS ARE NOT LIKELY TO

18:55:22 BE FROM THE SOUTH, ONLY 18% OF THE TIME BUT THIS WALL

18:55:23 WOULD HELP WITH THAT.

18:55:27 REDESIGNING THE PARKING GARAGE WITH THE CLOSED SOUTHERN

18:55:29 WALLS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL BARRIER FOR ANYTHING THAT

18:55:34 MAY COME ACROSS A TEN-FOOT WALL.

18:55:37 ADDITIONAL INGRESS, EGRESS.

18:55:41 IF PEOPLE WERE THERE AND THEY GO TO THEIR CARS.

18:55:45 THERE WILL BE EXCESS EGRESS ROUTES TO GET OUT OF THE

18:55:47 FACILITY OR GET OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

18:55:51 THE PROPOSAL TO INSTALL A FENCE LINE MONITORING SYSTEM

18:55:53 ALONG WITH A PUBLIC SHELTER IN PLACE WARNING SYSTEM IS

18:55:54 REALLY KEY.

18:55:59 WE KNOW CFI HAS A FENCE LINE SYSTEM BEING ABLE FOR THIS

18:56:01 DEVELOPMENT OF CHLORINE AND HAVE A NOTIFICATION IN

18:56:05 PLACE TO GET PEOPLE TO SHELTER IN PLACE INSIDE THEIR

18:56:10 BUILDINGS THAT INCIDENTALLY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY INTAKES

18:56:13 THAT WOULD BRING CHLORINE FROM THE OUTSIDE.

18:56:15 IT WOULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE OF PROVIDING PEOPLE A PLACE

18:56:19 TO GO AND TO BE ABLE TO WAIT OUT THE INCIDENT AS THE

18:56:21 CHLORINE DISSIPATES.

18:56:25 FINALLY THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN THAT

18:56:27 IS EXERCISED BY THE DEVELOPMENT'S MANAGEMENT AND

18:56:30 RESIDENTS WITH ITS NEIGHBORS THE CITY OF TAMPA IS KEY.

18:56:33 AND THAT IS IN THE PLANS AS WELL.

18:56:41 JUST SUMMARIZE, WITH EFFECT OF THESE FACTORS WHAT CFI

18:56:44 HAS DONE TO MAKE IT SAFER AND PROPOSED MITIGATION, VERY

18:56:47 SMALL RISK OF A SIGNIFICANT CHLORINE RELEASE FROM THE

18:56:50 FACILITY RESULTING IN INJURY TO RESIDENTS AND OR

18:56:52 VISITORS TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

18:56:55 MY OPINION, BASE ON THE REGULATION OF CHLORINE USE

18:56:59 TODAY AND HANDLING AN CFI'S ABILITY TO STOP CHLORINE

18:57:03 RELEASES BEFORE OFF-SIDE IMPACT, THE APARTMENT USE WITH

18:57:07 THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE

18:57:08 UNDULY AT RISK.

18:57:12 THAT IS ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU.

18:57:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

18:57:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT

18:57:20 OF TECHNOLOGY AND INFORMATION -- HE IS AN EXPERT AND

18:57:22 RIGHTLY SO --

18:57:25 >> CAN WE STOP OUR TIME WHILE WE HAVE QUESTIONS, THANK

18:57:25 YOU.

18:57:26 SORRY.

18:57:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOMETHING HAPPENS "VERY RARELY."

18:57:34 WHAT DOES RARELY MEAN, THAT MEANS IT HAS HAPPENED

18:57:34 BEFORE.

18:57:38 IF IT HAPPENED RARELY, IT MEANS IT HAPPENED BEFORE, AM

18:57:39 I CORRECT?

18:57:40 >> YOU ARE CORRECT.

18:57:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PLAN YOUR BUILDINGS -- THEY ARE

18:57:46 BUILT TO WITHSTAND A LOT AND SOME OF THEM HAVE GONE

18:57:48 DOWN, IS THAT CORRECT?

18:57:49 >> IN THE PAST THEY HAVE, YES.

18:57:50 LESSER --

18:57:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGES -- WE ARE

18:57:54 MAKING ASSUMPTIONS HERE IN MY PART.

18:57:58 I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOU, SIR, AT ALL, BUT THE WHALE

18:58:00 ATMOSPHERE OF CONVERSATION UP UNTIL NOW THAT THIS

18:58:02 RAILROAD WON'T BE HERE.

18:58:02 THIS IS COMING DOWN.

18:58:04 THIS IS GOING TO MOVE.

18:58:05 THIS IS GOING TO LEAVE.

18:58:09 I AM A FACTUAL TYPE GUY, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT

18:58:12 ALL THAT MEANS THAT WE TALK ABOUT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE

18:58:13 AISLE.

18:58:16 FOR MY CLARITY, I LIKE TO KNOW THE PERCENTAGES OF THESE

18:58:18 THINGS THAT ARE HANG.

18:58:21 IF A RAILROAD IS GOING TO GO ACROSS A VACANT LAND THAT

18:58:24 IS THERE NOW -- I ASSUME THAT IS WHAT I HEARD OF

18:58:27 EARLIER AND I BELIEVE CONVERSATION ABOUT -- DON'T WORRY

18:58:29 THIS WILL HAPPEN AND THIS WILL HAPPEN.

18:58:32 BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN TO THE WHOLE

18:58:32 SCHEME.

18:58:35 THERE IS A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT I AM NOT POSITIVE

18:58:36 ON.

18:58:39 AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CLARITY WHAT WAS SAID IN THE

18:58:45 LAST 40 MINUTES.

18:58:48 >> SIR, I ASSUME THAT IS TO ME.

18:58:51 I WOULD SAY WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS ABOUT RISK.

18:58:55 AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT GOES WITH ZERO RISK.

18:58:57 JUST NEED TO GET THAT OUT CLEARLY.

18:58:59 WE ALL TAKE RISKS EVERY DAY.

18:59:02 I THINK WHAT I STRIDES TO DO WITH MY ANALYSIS HERE IS

18:59:06 TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE RISKS.

18:59:09 AND YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK IN TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN

18:59:13 ACCIDENTAL RELEASES OF CHLORINE FROM TANK CARS THAT ARE

18:59:18 SITTING STILL BECAUSE THE VALVES HAD A MALFUNCTION AND

18:59:22 SOMEBODY TOOK A HOSE OFF TOO EARLY WHEN THEY CLOSE THE

18:59:24 VALVE.

18:59:28 THERE IS ALWAYS HUMAN ERROR AT RISK.

18:59:31 BUT WE HAVE TO STOP THAT RISK FROM BECOMING A HEALTH

18:59:34 IMPACT.

18:59:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXCUSE ME.

18:59:38 THEN WHAT I AM UNDERSTANDING.

18:59:42 VERY RARELY MEANS ONLY BY HUMAN MISTAKE OR HUMAN ERROR

18:59:44 THAT THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO THE TANK.

18:59:47 THE TANK HAS NEVER EVER BEEN MANUFACTURED

18:59:51 MALFUNCTIONING TO EXPLODE -- NOTHING HAS HAPPENED BY

18:59:51 TANK.

18:59:54 IT IS ALWAYS BY HUMAN ERROR?

18:59:56 >> YOU CAN CALL THE MANUFACTURER PROBLEMS HUMAN ERROR

18:59:57 TOO.

19:00:00 I WOULD SAY THERE CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN DESIGN FAULTS

19:00:06 THAT DIDN'T -- SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT AND NEXT GEN

19:00:07 WEREN'T CAUGHT.

19:00:10 AND THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE WHERE THEY FILL THE LARGE

19:00:12 TANKERS UP AT THE SHIPPERS.

19:00:17 THAT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT FOUR

19:00:20 NONACCIDENTAL RELEASES OF CHLORINE OUT OF 52,000

19:00:24 SHIPMENTS IN 2019 IN THE U.S. AND CANADA, THAT WILL BE

19:00:27 THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO HERE.

19:00:32 BUT MITIGATION MECHANISMS IN PLACE FOR ONE OUT OF

19:00:38 452,000 OF CFI, SIGNIFICANT MITIGATION EFFORTS IN PLACE

19:00:42 ON-SITE AS WELL AS OFF-SITE IF IT WASN'T SIGNIFICANCE

19:00:46 -- IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH RELEASE TO HAVE IMPACT

19:00:48 ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

19:00:54 THE MITIGATION MEASURES WILL GREATLY REDUCE IMPACTS.

19:00:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.

19:00:56 I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.

19:00:59 I GUESS A PERCENTAGE WOULD BE OF ALL THE FACILITIES

19:01:02 LIKE THIS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A -- THEN YOU

19:01:05 CAN JUST SAY THAT THE SYSTEM -- NOT JUST ONE SITE, BUT

19:01:09 THE SYSTEM HAS THIS PERCENT OF WHATEVER IS OUT THERE.

19:01:13 BUT WHEN WE GO TO ONE SITE, IT CAN'T JUST BE BASED ON

19:01:13 ONE SITE.

19:01:17 IT HAS TO BE ON THE BASIS OF ALL THE SYSTEMS COMBINED

19:01:21 WITH THE RATIO OF ACCIDENTS OR HUMAN ERROR.

19:01:22 I AM NOT ARGUING.

19:01:24 I AM JUST SAYING MY POINT.

19:01:27 THANK YOU.

19:01:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, IN OUR PACKET OF INFORMATION

19:01:35 THAT WE GET, I AM LOOKING AT A REPORT FROM APEX --

19:01:39 A-P-E-X.

19:01:42 DO YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE?

19:01:44 >> YES, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THEM.

19:01:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SMITH THAT PACKET THAT WAS PUT

19:01:54 TOGETHER AS A HAZARD ASSESSMENT FOR PROPOSED

19:01:58 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATION TO A BLEACH PLANT.

19:02:00 A CHLORINE PLANT IS A BLEACH PLANT.

19:02:04 >> IN THIS CASE CFI IS, THAT'S CORRECT.

19:02:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE CEO OF GULFSTEAM, LOTS 2251 WEST

19:02:11 TYSON.

19:02:14 I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGHOUT LONG LIST OF THING

19:02:19 BUT LONG-TERM EXPOSURE TO LOW CONCENTRATIONS IS

19:02:19 PROBLEMATIC.

19:02:22 THIS CAME FROM A 2011 STUDY.

19:02:27 AND SOME OF THE THINGS ARE PRETERM BIRTH, SEVERE

19:02:32 RESPIRATORY, PULMONARY FIBROSIS, ACUTE RESPIRATORY

19:02:35 DISEASE SYNDROME AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN

19:02:36 THIS REPORT.

19:02:41 BUT I AM GOING BACK DOWN TO -- WHAT MY MAIN CONCERN

19:02:46 WAS, THE TRANSPORTATION OF THIS CHLORINE, CHLORINE GAS,

19:02:51 WHATEVER IS MANUFACTURED OR THE -- SAYS TRANSPORTING

19:02:58 CHLORINE ALSO POSES MORE RISK THAN ANY OTHER REGULATED

19:03:00 SUBSTANCE.

19:03:06 NOW THIS REPORT CAME FROM 2005-2009; HOWEVER, CHLORINE

19:03:12 LED THE LIST WITH 83 MAJOR INJURIES AND NINE FATALITIES

19:03:16 OUT OF 48 RAIL AND ROAD ACCIDENTS COMPARED TO GASOLINE

19:03:19 TRANSPORTATION.

19:03:26 AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS BEEN WITH THE RAIL, THE

19:03:31 SHIPMENTS OF THE CHLORINE, THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF A

19:03:32 RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.

19:03:34 BUT MORE ESPECIALLY, IF THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT -- AND I

19:03:37 KNOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE MITIGATION PROPOSED IN CASE

19:03:42 SOMETHING HAPPENS, BUT IF THOSE ENTRANCE AND EXITS ARE

19:03:47 BLOCKED BY THESE RAILCARS FOR WHATEVER REASON.

19:03:54 AGAIN, AS MR. MIRANDA RELAYING THIS -- AND I AM NOT

19:03:57 DISPUTING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT THIS DOCUMENTATION

19:04:02 IN FRONT OF ME IS SAYING SLIGHT VARIATIONS.

19:04:03 SO I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

19:04:07 THANK YOU, SIR.

19:04:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.

19:04:13 I NEED WHOEVER IS -- WHO WHOEVER IS TALKING OR DOING --

19:04:15 THEY NEED TO MUTE THEIR MICS.

19:04:18 WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN CONVERSATION.

19:04:20 MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

19:04:23 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

19:04:27 THE -- THE ENTRANCE TO THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE MAP,

19:04:30 HAS THE RAIL GOING ACROSS THE ROAD.

19:04:35 AND YOU TALKED ABOUT -- IN DETAIL THE ARMOR THAT IS

19:04:38 AROUND THESE NEW CARS.

19:04:43 IF -- IF SOMEONE WAS IN A PICKUP TRUCK DRIVING AT HIGH

19:04:47 SPEED, DRUNK OR WHATEVER AND HIT ONE OF THESE, HOW --

19:04:50 HOW PROTECTED ARE THEY?

19:04:55 COULD A CAR HIT -- COULD A CAR HITTING IT AT 30 MILES

19:04:58 PER HOUR CAUSE IT TO RUPTURE OR WILL IT TAKE 100 MILES

19:04:58 PER HOUR.

19:05:00 ANY IDEA?

19:05:04 >> MAY I JUST MAKE A QUICK REMARK THAT THE RAIL LINE --

19:05:06 WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LINES, THE SPUR LINE ON THE

19:05:10 EAST SIDE TO CFI, THOSE ARE WHERE THE RAIL LINES WITH

19:05:15 THE -- WITH THE CHLORINE ARE -- THIS IS THE CHLORINE.

19:05:16 THIS IS CORN SYRUP.

19:05:21 THIS IS GOING UP TO THE CORN SYRUP FACTORY.

19:05:23 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT TO GET ON --

19:05:27 >> UP HERE THE CFI LINE -- THE RAIL LINE --

19:05:31 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY TO GET ON THE PENINSULA.

19:05:33 A MAP OF THE WHOLE PENINSULA?

19:05:37 >> I THINK WE HAVE ONE IN THE BEGINNING.

19:05:40 >> SO, I AM SORRY, I WILL LET YOU EXPLAIN, BUT I WANT TO

19:05:45 CLARIFY THAT THE LINE CROSSING THIS PARTICULAR DRIVEWAY

19:05:48 DOES NOT HAVE THE CHLORINE BUT MR. NONY CAN EXPLAIN.

19:05:51 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHERE --

19:05:54 >> THE RAIL LINE COME IN HERE AND CONNECTS THIS WAY

19:05:56 INTO THE CFI SITE.

19:06:00 IT CONTINUES THIS WAY.

19:06:02 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST THE PEOPLE GETTING TO YOUR

19:06:05 FACILITY, WILL THEY CROSS THE RAIL LINE AT ALL AND

19:06:06 WHERE?

19:06:08 >> THEY WILL NOT CROSS THE RAIL LINE -- THEY

19:06:10 POTENTIALLY WOULD.

19:06:13 THE RAIL LINE COMES ALL THE WAY FROM DOWNTOWN TAMPA.

19:06:15 IT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH --

19:06:16 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ON THIS PENINSULA.

19:06:20 >> ON THIS PENINSULA, IT RUNNING DOWN TYSON.

19:06:22 >>BILL CARLSON: THEY WOULD BE PARALLEL BUT NEVER CROSS

19:06:24 IT.

19:06:25 >> RIGHT.

19:06:27 AND THEN THEY WOULD -- YOU THEY WOULDN'T CROSS IT FOR

19:06:29 THE DRIVEWAY.

19:06:30 AND NICOLE --

19:06:31 >> FOR THE DRIVEWAY.

19:06:35 BUT THE RAIL ACTUALLY CROSSES TYSON CLOSER TO WEST

19:06:37 SHORE BOULEVARD.

19:06:40 AT THE SIGNAL IT CROSSES OVER.

19:06:43 SO ANYONE CROSSING INTO RATTLESNAKE.

19:06:46 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT WHERE IT GOES PARALLEL, IS

19:06:50 IT POSSIBLE THAT A TRUCK CAN VEER OVER -- SOMEONE

19:06:51 DRUNKEN HITS OVER.

19:06:52 >> SURE, YES.

19:06:54 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC COULD DO THAT.

19:06:57 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

19:06:59 BACK TO THE TOXICOLOGIST.

19:07:03 SO -- BUT IS IT -- DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IF -- SO NOW

19:07:07 THE CAR MAY NOT HIT IT HEADLINE AND TURN AND HIT IT IN

19:07:08 THE SIDE.

19:07:11 SOMETHING IF THE CAR HITS AT LOW SPEED WILL CAUSE IT TO

19:07:14 RUPTURE OR -- HOW HIGH OF A SPEED AND HUE BIG OF A CAR

19:07:17 WOULD IT TAKE TO RUPTURE IT?

19:07:18 >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

19:07:22 I HAVE SEEN TRAIN DERAILMENT WHERE THE CHLORINE CAR HAS

19:07:26 BEEN HIT WITH FULLY LOADED FREIGHT TRAIN CARS AND JUST

19:07:28 HAS SCRATCHES ON THE OUTER SHELL.

19:07:31 IF YOU DROVE YOUR TRUCK 100 MILES PER HOUR INTO ONE OF

19:07:37 THESE TANK CARS HEAD ON, YOU WOULD DESTROY THE TRUCK

19:07:41 AND FEW SCRATCHES ON THE PAINT.

19:07:47 THEY ARE TO DESIGN TO WITHSTAND 65-MILE-PER-HOUR TRAIN

19:07:48 DERAILMENT.

19:07:51 >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD BUILD HOUSES THAT WAY.

19:07:55 YOU SAYS IT VERY UNLIKELY THERE WILL BE ANY KIND OF

19:07:55 LEAK.

19:07:58 BUT IF THERE WAS AND SOME OF IT GOT OVER THE FENCE AND

19:08:01 WENT INTO ONE OF THE UNITS, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WOULD

19:08:05 IT HAVE ON THE PEOPLE INSIDE, AND WOULD IT MAKE A

19:08:07 DIFFERENCE WHETHER THEY HAVE THEIR WINDOW OPEN OR AIR

19:08:09 CONDITIONER ON?

19:08:14 ANY PROTECTION FROM WINDOWS, AIR CONDITIONER.

19:08:17 A MILD EFFECT ON THE PEOPLE OR SERIOUS IMPACT?

19:08:20 >> WELL, THE THING TO REMEMBER THAT CHLORINE WANTS TO

19:08:22 DISSIPATE INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.

19:08:25 AND GOING TO BE A RATHER SHORT DURATION EVENT IF IT IS

19:08:29 A SHORT RELEASE, LIKE FROM A VALVE.

19:08:32 PEOPLE OUTSIDE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO SMELL IT.

19:08:35 IT WILL SMELL LIKE YOUR NEAREST SWIMMING POOL.

19:08:40 IT CAN HAVE SHORT-TERM IRRITATION EFFECTS THAT PEOPLE

19:08:41 WOULD HAVE.

19:08:44 NO PROBLEM SURVIVING AND HAVE NO ONGOING EFFECT, BUT

19:08:49 WHAT I FEEL LIKE HAS BEEN DONE TO MITIGATE SEVERE

19:08:52 INJURY IS GETTING THE PEOPLE FARTHER AWAY.

19:08:55 HAVING A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THEM TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE

19:08:57 SUPPOSED TO SHELTER OFFICER THERE IS AN ALARM.

19:09:00 HAVING AN ALARM SYSTEM ALONG THE FENCE LINE.

19:09:03 A LOT OF WAYS TO GET PEOPLE NOTIFIED BECAUSE TIMING IS

19:09:05 OF THE ESSENCE.

19:09:07 IF THERE IS A RELEASE, INSIDE.

19:09:12 HVAC SYSTEMS WILL NOT PULL FRESH AIR FROM OUTSIDE.

19:09:14 PART OF THE CODE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE

19:09:14 BUILDINGS.

19:09:19 SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THEIR INTERNAL HVAC

19:09:23 SYSTEM.

19:09:25 SO KEEPING PEOPLE FARTHER AWAY.

19:09:27 GIVING THEM MORE DISTANCE AND HAVING WAY INSIDE THIS IS

19:09:30 NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

19:09:32 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT NO CHLORINE WILL COME IN THROUGH

19:09:36 SOMEBODY'S WINDOW, BUT WE HAVE SEEN -- IT HAS BEEN

19:09:39 STUDIED AND SEEN FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS WITH

19:09:43 THESE TYPE OF CHEMICALS THAT ANY TYPE OF BARRIER HELPS.

19:09:48 THERE ARE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE SURVIVED LARGE-SCALE -- IN

19:09:52 SOUTH CAROLINA, A WOMAN SURVIVED IN HER CAR 50 FEET

19:09:54 AWAY FROM THE WRECK WHILE THERE WERE PEOPLE FARTHER

19:09:56 AWAY WHO DIED.

19:09:59 HER CAR PROVIDED HER ENOUGH PROTECTION THAT SHE

19:10:02 SURVIVED WITH THAT CHLORINE.

19:10:04 >>BILL CARLSON: IF SHE WAS -- JUST ASKING QUESTIONS

19:10:05 FOR EDUCATION.

19:10:08 SO -- BUT IF SHE WAS STANDING 50 FEET AWAY WITHOUT A

19:10:11 CAR, THEN WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?

19:10:13 >> -- IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR HER.

19:10:17 SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED WITH HIGHLY INJURIOUS

19:10:19 AMOUNTS..

19:10:21 >>BILL CARLSON: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.

19:10:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO.

19:10:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL RESERVE MY QUESTIONS LATER.

19:10:27 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

19:10:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU ARE SITTING HERE NOW.

19:10:33 YOU USED TO SIT RIGHT THERE.

19:10:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

19:10:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW WHEN YOU USED TO SIT THERE.

19:10:42 THE AIR QUALITY SOMETIMES -- MR. MIRANDA, WOULD BE

19:10:43 COUGHING.

19:10:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU AND HI THE SAME HAIRDO.

19:10:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE COUGHED BECAUSE THE AIR IN THE

19:10:53 ROOM -- THIS BUILDING OR WHATEVER MAKES US KIND OF -- I

19:10:57 WOULDN'T SAY SICK, BUT IRRITATES US.

19:11:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM JUST GOING TO ASK

19:11:02 YOU IF YOU JUST CONFINE YOUR DISCUSSION --

19:11:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GETTING THERE, MR. SHELBY.

19:11:05 I AM GETTING THERE.

19:11:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.

19:11:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THIS.

19:11:14 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTING A WALL, WE BREATHE

19:11:14 AIR.

19:11:18 I AM JUST TRYING FIGURE OUT HOW IS THIS WALL GOING TO

19:11:22 STOP CHLORINE IN THE AIR TO PEOPLE.

19:11:27 WHEN WE ARE SAYING MITIGATION IS TO PUT A WALLING.

19:11:31 SO I AM LOOKING AT -- IF EVERY DAY, IF POLLEN DROPS

19:11:33 FROM MY CAR EVERY DAY AND I SEE ALL THIS YELLOW ON MY

19:11:37 CAR, HOW IS THE WALL GOING TO STOP IT?

19:11:41 I MEAN -- YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS DIFFERENT.

19:11:43 BUT WE BREATHE IT EVERY DAY.

19:11:46 I WAS AT AN EVENT THIS SUNDAY AND AROUND TREES AND I

19:11:47 WAS BREATHING IT.

19:11:48 THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS.

19:11:52 IF YOU HAVE A WALL THAT IS MITIGATING TO STOP THE

19:11:53 CHLORINE.

19:11:54 HOW DOES THAT WORK?

19:11:58 I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.

19:12:03 >> I THINK MR. NONY CAN REEXPLAIN HOW CHLORINE WORKS.

19:12:06 >> CHLORINE GAS IS A DENSE GAS.

19:12:07 IT TENDS TO HUG THE GROUND.

19:12:10 SO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN REAL RELEASES AND TEST

19:12:15 RELEASES, THAT IF WE HAVE BARRIERS ON THE GROUND, IT

19:12:19 WILL -- INHIBIT THE CHLORINE CLOUD FROM MOVING AND NICK

19:12:22 THAT YOU CAN TO DO SLOW IT DOWN AS IT WARMS UP.

19:12:24 THE WARMER IT GETS, IT WANTS TO GO UP IN THE

19:12:25 ATMOSPHERE.

19:12:28 ANYTHING YOU CAN TO DO SLOW IT DOWN WILL HELP CLOSER TO

19:12:31 THE SOURCE WHILE IT WARMS UP AND DISSIPATES INTO THE

19:12:32 ATMOSPHERE.

19:12:35 IF THE CHLORINE DIDN'T BEHAVE LIKE THAT, I WOULD

19:12:37 TOTALLY UNDER STAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

19:12:41 BUT THE BIGGEST THREAT IS A LARGE-SCALE LIQUID RELEASE

19:12:43 THAT CREATES A DENSE GAS.

19:12:50 WITH THAT DENSE GAS, IT WANTS TO TRAVEL ON THE GROUND.

19:12:53 >> IT HITS A WALL, COOLED UPRIGHT.

19:12:56 IT WILL GET COOLED UP AND IN THE DESERT OF UTAH WITH

19:12:59 THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

19:13:02 A WELL-KNOWN PROPERTY OF CHLORINE GAS.

19:13:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

19:13:07 ANYONE ELSE?

19:13:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TRYING TO BE REDUNDANT AND

19:13:14 NOT DISPUTE THIS IN ANY WAY, BUT ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS WE

19:13:17 ARE MAKING HERE IS BASED ON THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE

19:13:19 LEVEL OF HUMIDITY IN THE AIR.

19:13:21 AND I AM NOT A SCIENTIST.

19:13:23 BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT.

19:13:25 BUT IF YOU HAD A DAY LIKE TODAY WHERE THE AIR IS THICK

19:13:28 AND HEAVY, THAT WIND IS NOT GOING TO CARRY AND

19:13:29 DISSIPATE.

19:13:31 IT WILL BE STAGNANT FOR A WHILE.

19:13:36 OR IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER ASSUMPTION, IT COULD HAPPEN

19:13:39 HERE, HOPE IT NEVER HAPPENS AND IT HAVEN'T HAPPENED IN

19:13:41 A WHILE, BUT CERTAINLY THE THINGS THAT COME UP FROM

19:13:44 AFRICA, THEY CALL HURRICANES.

19:13:47 AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENS.

19:13:50 AND THIS IS AN ASSUMPTION ON MY PART.

19:13:53 JUST LIKE WE ARE MAKING AN ASSUMPTION ON EVERYONE'S

19:13:54 PART.

19:13:56 BUT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING, I AM TALKING ABOUT

19:13:59 THE CHLORINE WHO HAPPENS TO BE NEAR THE ZONING.

19:14:05 WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE OF THOSE TANKER TRUCKS TURNS OVER?

19:14:06 IT IS STUCK THERE.

19:14:06 STOPPED THERE.

19:14:09 YOU CAN'T MOVE BECAUSE OF HURRICANE.

19:14:10 YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.

19:14:14 YOU SAY YOU HAVE -- AND I CHUCKLE AT MYSELF SOMETIMES.

19:14:17 EVERYBODY IS SAYING WE WILL PRO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION

19:14:23 TO GET OUT.

19:14:26 PROVIDING NO ONE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL OVER THE WORLD.

19:14:29 YOU CAN PROVIDE ALL YOU WANT, BUT IF TRAFFIC IS NOT

19:14:32 MOVING, WHAT YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK.

19:14:34 THAT IS NOT AN ASSUMPTION.

19:14:35 THAT IS FACT.

19:14:38 SO EVEN THOUGH WE ALLOW AND DURING THE HURRICANE

19:14:39 SEASON.

19:14:44 YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE-DAYS NOTICE IT IS GOING TO HIT.

19:14:44 YOU CAN LEAVE.

19:14:48 BUT US, WE ARE HUMAN, WE SAY, NAH, WE CAN LEAVE

19:14:48 TOMORROW.

19:14:49 WE CAN LEAVE IN AN HOUR.

19:14:52 WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE A JAM ALL OVER.

19:14:55 SOMETHING HAPPENED IN OCALA, AND PEOPLE DOWN HERE CAN'T

19:14:56 GET OUT.

19:14:57 THIS IS THE FACT.

19:15:08 IS NOT I AM NOT AGAINST THIS BUT I AM AGAINST SPEAKING

19:15:12 IN SUPERLATIVE THAT IN MY OPINION HAVE FLAWS.

19:15:14 THEY HAVE FLAWS BECAUSE THE UNCOMMON THING OF NATURE.

19:15:19 NATURE IS THE MOST POWERFUL THING IN THE WORLD.

19:15:22 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

19:15:24 >> MR. CHAIR.

19:15:27 TO FOLLOW ON THAT ITEM NUMBER 17 THAT YOU

19:15:29 SHOWED US WAS TRANSPORTATION IN CASE OF EVACUATION

19:15:31 ORDER.

19:15:35 AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT, YOUR EXPERT WITNESS

19:15:39 SAYS TIME OF THE ESSENCE.

19:15:41 TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

19:15:45 GOING BACK TO WHAT MR. MIRANDA SAID THAT IF A RAILROAD

19:15:49 TRAIN -- RAILROAD CROSSINGS BLOCKED IN FRONT OF THE

19:15:52 CHEMICAL TREATMENT PLANT AND THE OTHER ENDS OF TYSON

19:15:56 WHERE IT CROSSES TYSON, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

19:15:59 HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GET IN TO EVACUATE THOSE PEOPLE

19:15:59 OUT.

19:16:01 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

19:16:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE.

19:16:10 >> WELL, I WANT TO JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT PART OF THE

19:16:14 REASON WE BROUGHT DR. NONY HERE IS BECAUSE HE IS A

19:16:14 SCIENTIST.

19:16:18 HE IS SPEAKING ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF THESE TANKERS.

19:16:25 CFI'S REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THEY

19:16:27 ARE EFFECTIVE DURING A HURRICANE.

19:16:31 THAT THEY ARE STRONG ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN WITHSTAND

19:16:36 100-MILE-PER-HOUR PICKUP TRUCK AND A TERRORISM, A

19:16:37 HIGH-SPEED CRASH.

19:16:44 SO THAT -- THEY -- THEY CAN -- THAT THE MOST LIKE LIE

19:16:47 -- AND EVEN THAT IS NOT LIKELY -- A SMALL EVENT THAT

19:16:51 WOULD BE WITHSTOOD BY THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT CFI

19:16:53 IS ALREADY HAVING THAT WE WOULD ADD TO BY OUR

19:16:56 MITIGATION MEASURES.

19:16:59 CERTAINLY WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR OWN PLANS THAT

19:17:05 WOULD ALLOW US TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS BOTH FROM THE

19:17:09 -- THE DANGERS POTENTIALLY FROM CFI AS WELL AS THE

19:17:13 DANGER FROM A HURRICANE REQUIRING THEM TO EVACUATE WHEN

19:17:17 THE EVACUATION ORDERS ARE ISSUED BY PINELLAS AND

19:17:18 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

19:17:23 SO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE DR. NONY

19:17:23 ADDRESS.

19:17:26 WITH REGARD TO TRANSPORTATION, CERTAINLY AFTER 2009,

19:17:30 THE RESERVATIONS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT'S WHY

19:17:32 EVENTS HAD DECREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.

19:17:37 AND I THINK DR. NONY CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE

19:17:38 HAVE REBUTTAL.

19:17:42 AND WHAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY IS THAT WE COME WITH

19:17:45 SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.

19:17:49 WE HAVE DECREASED DENSITY SIGNIFICANTLY.

19:17:51 WE HAVE -- WE HAVE MADE IMPORTANT CHANGES TO THE DESIGN

19:17:53 OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

19:17:56 WE HAVE MADE THE PROJECT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE

19:17:59 SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL USES AND IN PARTICULAR WITH CFI,

19:18:01 WE WORKED VERY HARD WITH CITY STAFF.

19:18:05 WE WORKED VERY HARD WITH CHEMICAL FORMULATORS.

19:18:08 WE HAVE A PLAN THAT MR. STEADY RECOMMENDS THAT THE

19:18:12 PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS CONSISTENT WITH 8.11.5.

19:18:16 THAT THE CITY STAFF FINDS COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND

19:18:18 DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

19:18:21 WE ARE IN AN AREA WHERE WE ARE FINDING THE INDUSTRIAL

19:18:28 AND THE RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL MEETING EACH OTHER

19:18:31 AND THE COMPLICATION THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RESOLVE, BUT

19:18:33 WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT.

19:18:37 WE MET OUR BURDEN WITH COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE

19:18:38 IN THE RECORD.

19:18:40 WE MET OUR BURDEN IN DOING THAT TONIGHT.

19:18:44 AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE OUR

19:18:44 PROJECT TONIGHT.

19:18:46 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

19:18:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

19:18:54 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK THE TOXICOLOGIST ONE MORE

19:18:54 QUESTION.

19:18:57 IF HE IS STILL BEFORE HE LEAVES.

19:19:00 AND LEGAL CAN CUT ME OFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY QUESTION.

19:19:05 BUT, PROFESSOR -- OR DOCTOR, IN -- IN TEN YEARS, LET'S

19:19:10 SAY WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AND IN TEN YEARS, A BIG

19:19:13 EVENT HAPPENS, AND THE PRESS DES SENDS ON THE PROJECT

19:19:17 AND SAYS WHY DID THE STUPID CITY COUNCIL BACK WHEN VOTE

19:19:20 IN, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE -- IF YOU WERE THERE,

19:19:26 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IN OUR DEFENSE AT THAT TIME?

19:19:32 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT THE DECISION WE MADE TONIGHT

19:19:35 IN OUR DEFENSE?

19:19:38 >> I WOULD SAY THERE IS NO DECISION THAT

19:19:41 DOESN'T COME WITH SOME CONSIDERATION.

19:19:46 I THINK WHAT I SEE BEFORE -- BEFORE THIS GROUP IS A

19:19:51 DECISION THAT INVOLVES A LOT OF SCIENCE, A LOT OF DATA,

19:19:54 A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN

19:19:59 WHERE WE WERE IN THE '90S AND EARLY 2000S AND WHERE WE

19:20:05 ARE NOW WITH CHEMICAL SAFETY AND YOU CAN'T KEEP EVERY

19:20:06 INCIDENT FROM HAPPENING.

19:20:09 BUT IF AN INCIDENT DOES HAPPEN, YOU GOT ENOUGH SCIENCE

19:20:13 AND ENOUGH MITIGATING PROCEDURES AND ENOUGH INFORMATION

19:20:18 AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO SAY THE CHANCES OF SOMETHING LIKE

19:20:23 THIS HAPPENING WAS TO SO LOW, THAT IT MAKES SENSE NOT A

19:20:24 APPROVE.

19:20:26 I THINK AS A SCIENTIST AND A TOXICOLOGIST.

19:20:29 I WORK WITH THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME.

19:20:32 AND IF PEOPLE REALLY KNEW WHERE THE RISKS WERE AROUND

19:20:35 THEIR HOMES, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, THEY WOULD PROBABLY

19:20:37 HAVE THEIR EYES OPEN.

19:20:41 I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS FACILITY

19:20:44 ARE UNDULY AT RISK IN THIS SITUATION.

19:20:48 AND I WOULD -- I WOULD DEFEND WHAT I HAVE TOLD YOU.

19:20:50 BECAUSE IT IS PROOF.

19:20:51 SCIENTIFIC FACT.

19:20:54 AND THIS IS HOW WE AN ACCESS RISK.

19:20:57 NEVER NO RISK, BUT WE WEIGH IT AND SAY WHAT ARE THE

19:20:59 CHANCES THAT SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS.

19:21:01 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE MORE QUESTION, IF I COULD.

19:21:05 THESE CARS GOING ON A TRAIN THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA.

19:21:07 SO THEY ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.

19:21:09 I DON'T REMEMBER THE MAP EXACTLY AND YOU TALKED OF THE

19:21:11 SAFETY OF THOSE.

19:21:14 HOW MUCH IS THE RELATIVE RISK OF THE PROCESSING

19:21:19 FACILITY VERSUS THE CARS -- IT SOUNDS -- THEY SOUND

19:21:21 LIKE TANKS ON A TRAIN.

19:21:24 BUT WHAT IS -- WHAT IS THE RELATIVE RISK OF THE

19:21:29 PROCESSING OF IT TURNING THE BLEACH --

19:21:30 >> A GOOD QUESTION.

19:21:34 WHAT IS GOING ON AT A FACILITY LIKE CFI, A LOT MORE

19:21:37 MANAGEMENT HANDLING OF THE CHLORINE.

19:21:39 THAT IS WHY THERE ARE THESE MITIGATION PROCEDURES IN

19:21:40 PLACE.

19:21:42 THE AUTO SHUTOFF VALVES.

19:21:44 THE SYSTEM ON THE RAILCAR.

19:21:46 TRANSFER APPARATUS.

19:21:49 BUT ALL THAT -- ALL THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING

19:21:51 CHLORINE FROM ONE CONTAINER TO THE ANOTHER.

19:21:52 PUTTING IT IN THE PROCESS.

19:21:56 WHEN THE TANKS ARE GOING DOWN THE MAIN LINE RAIL, THE

19:21:59 FASTER THEY GO, THE BETTER THE CHANCE IS.

19:22:02 ALBEIT THESE DAYS MUCH LESS.

19:22:05 BUT THE BETTER THE CHANCE THAT THEY COULD HAVE AN

19:22:08 INCIDENT THAT CAUSE CATASTROPHIC RUPTURE OF THAT INNER

19:22:09 TANK.

19:22:15 THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING WHEN CSX IS PUSHING A

19:22:19 LINE OF CAR NOTICE CFI PROBABLY FIVE MILES PER HOUR AT

19:22:22 THE MOST ARE PRACTICALLY ZERO.

19:22:26 ZERO INCIDENTS OF CATASTROPHIC TANK FAILURES, EVEN THE

19:22:27 OLD TANK.

19:22:31 WHEN THEY ARE MOVING FIVE MILES PER HOUR AND HAVE A

19:22:32 WRECK.

19:22:34 IT HAS TO INVOLVE HIGH SPEED.

19:22:36 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.

19:22:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

19:22:41 DOES SHE HAVE ANY MORE TIME ON THE CLOCK, MADAM CLERK.

19:22:44 >> ONE MINUTE AND FOUR SECONDS.

19:22:46 >> SAVE IT FOR REBUTTAL.

19:22:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO PROBLEM.

19:22:51 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

19:22:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO TO THE PUBLIC.

19:23:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHE REQUESTED TIME ON REBUTTAL.

19:23:03 I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID WITH REGARD TO REBUTTAL.

19:23:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE DID.

19:23:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WOULD BE -- OKAY.

19:23:20 WE STAND IN RECESS.

19:23:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER TO

19:23:28 MAKE SURE IN YOUR TRAVELS, YOU DON'T OVERHEAR ANY

19:23:29 DISCUSSION.

19:36:29 PLEASE, THANK YOU

19:36:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CITY COUNCIL BACK IN SESSION.

19:36:33 ROLL CALL.

19:36:34 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

19:36:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

19:36:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

19:36:39 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

19:36:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

19:36:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

19:36:46 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

19:36:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS NOW.

19:36:51 >> I GET MORE THAN THREE MINUTES BECAUSE THEY GOT AN

19:36:52 EXTRA TEN.

19:36:54 LET'S NOT DEBATE ABOUT IT FOR TWO MINUTES.

19:36:58 GIVE ME TWO MINUTES.

19:37:00 COME ON, NOW, THAT IS ONLY FAIR.

19:37:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ALREADY SAID THAT EARLIER.

19:37:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WANT FIVE MINUTES.

19:37:07 >> OKAY.

19:37:12 GIVE TO CARROLL ANN TOO WHILE YOU ARE AT IT.

19:37:13 GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.

19:37:16 A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT.

19:37:19 THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IN THIS PLAN HAVING PLAN IF

19:37:21 THERE IS A CHLORINE THING.

19:37:23 THEY SAID SOMETHING --

19:37:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE --

19:37:30 >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK --

19:37:32 I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT.

19:37:34 ANYWAY, I WANTED TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THINK THAT

19:37:39 HEARD THIS EVENING THAT THERE WAS NO PLAN TO NOTIFY THE

19:37:44 TENANTS THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL

19:37:45 PLANT NEXT DOOR.

19:37:46 HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE THERE.

19:37:53 THERE WAS NO -- IN THE TENANT WAIVERS.

19:37:56 I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF TAMPA FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW HAS A

19:38:01 PLAN BECAUSE I SENT YOU GUYS AN E-MAIL TO THE QJ BOX

19:38:05 EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT TAMPA PD IN DECEMBER HAD NO PLAN

19:38:07 FOR CFI.

19:38:08 IS THERE A PLAN NOW?

19:38:09 WHAT IS IT?

19:38:11 WHEN WAS IT DEVELOPED?

19:38:14 THERE IS OVER A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL

19:38:19 SPACE WITHIN 200 YARDS OF THIS FACILITY.

19:38:20 OF THE FACILITY.

19:38:25 I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE 99,000 DOLLARS FOR INTERBAY

19:38:26 WILL GO.

19:38:28 WHAT WILL IT BE SPENT ON.

19:38:31 SO, LET ME GET BACK TO MY ORIGINAL SPEECH.

19:38:32 GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.

19:38:37 YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THAT I DO NOT LIKE PLYWOOD PALACES,

19:38:40 BUT 226 IS BETTER THAN 299.

19:38:45 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE IN

19:38:45 THE MIX.

19:38:46 I ASKED FOR IT.

19:38:51 WE HAVE NONE CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR SOUTH OF GANDY.

19:38:55 WOODFIELD COULD BE GRACIOUS AND ADD SOME AFFORDABLE OR

19:39:02 WORKFORCE HOUSING TO THIS SITUATION.

19:39:07 WITH THAT BEING, NO ENVY, TURN DOWN AND SUED BY THE

19:39:11 DEVELOPER FOR INFRINGEMENT, OR APPROVE IT AND GET SUED

19:39:15 IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT WITH THE CHEMICAL PLANT

19:39:16 ABUTTING THIS PROPERTY.

19:39:19 I DON'T SEE THAT THE CITY HAS ANY EXPERTS PRESENTING

19:39:23 THAT SAY THAT IT IS SAFE TO BUILD THERE.

19:39:26 OF COURSE, WE HAVE SEEN THE REPRESENTATIVE -- THE

19:39:30 DEVELOPERS' EXPERT, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU

19:39:33 THE THINGS THAT YOU -- HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU CAN TRUST

19:39:34 THAT PERSON?

19:39:37 HOW DO YOU KNOW -- THEY WILL NOT STAND UP HERE AND TELL

19:39:38 YOU IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION.

19:39:42 SO IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE EXPERTS, WHO DO YOU TRUST?

19:39:46 WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE THE EPC WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO

19:39:47 GO.

19:39:48 THE PINK SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU.

19:39:53 THAT VERY FRONT SHEET, IS A REAL QUICK AND DIRTY ON

19:39:58 WHAT THE EPC PROVIDED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN MAY.

19:40:03 AND IT HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS ON THERE ABOUT THE

19:40:08 -- ABOUT ACCIDENTS THAT HAD HAPPENED OVER THE TIME THAT

19:40:10 CFI HAS BEEN THERE.

19:40:14 I ASKED CITY COUNCIL TODAY TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO

19:40:17 HAVE CITY STAFF REPORT BACK TO THEM ON THE STATUS OF

19:40:20 CFI EVERY 60 DAYS.

19:40:26 I ALSO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO

19:40:29 HAVE STAFF REPORT HOW WE CAN USE THE INCREASE IN TAX

19:40:33 REVENUE -- IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WHITE PAPER -- I WOULD

19:40:36 LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET LOOKING PAPER

19:40:37 IN YOUR PACKET.

19:40:40 JUST FROM TWO OF THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON

19:40:46 RATTLESNAKE POINT, JUST IN ONE YEAR ALONE, 2.6 MILLION

19:40:49 DOLLAR INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE.

19:40:54 WHY CAN WE NOT GET CFI GONE?

19:40:56 THERE IS A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.

19:41:00 PLEASE REACH OUT AND PULL THE CORD AND TURN THE LIGHT

19:41:07 ON AND LET'S GET THIS SUCKER OUT OF HERE.

19:41:11 CAROLE POST STAYED IN AUGUST, WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE

19:41:13 THE CONVERSATION AND THE CONCEPT OF -- BUT IT IS

19:41:15 UNLIKELY THE CITY WILL SUPPORT THIS.

19:41:19 AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE SPINNING THEIR WHEELS

19:41:22 SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT MAKING A DEAL TO GET US A

19:41:28 WATERFRONT PARK TO HELP PAY -- TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF

19:41:32 THE COSTS THAT THE DEVELOPER WHO CAME UP WITH THE PLAN

19:41:32 HAD.

19:41:35 THAT DEVELOPER HAS COME TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU AND

19:41:38 HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT IT, AND NONE OF YOU

19:41:40 SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.

19:41:43 SO LET'S GET OFF OUR BUTTS AND START TALK OF GETTING

19:41:48 CFI IN OUR REAR VIEW MIRROR AS OPPOSED TO PLAYING GAMES

19:41:48 WITH IT.

19:42:10 THANK YOU.

19:42:15 >> HI, I AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT, AND I AM A LIFE-LONG

19:42:16 RESIDENT.

19:42:19 MANY AREAS WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO KEEP INDUSTRIAL

19:42:22 OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT A BIG MISTAKE THAT IS

19:42:24 HOW SOG RESIDENTS FEEL.

19:42:27 THEY ARE PORTRAYED AS UNREASONABLE ANTI-DEVELOPMENT

19:42:30 PEOPLE, BUT IN FACT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

19:42:34 SOG ALWAYS HAD COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES.

19:42:36 THEY LIKE HAVING THEM AS NEIGHBORS AND WANT MORE OF

19:42:37 THEM.

19:42:40 THOSE BUSINESSES PROVIDE JOBS THAT ARE MINUTES AWAY.

19:42:45 GROWING UP, MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR ROAD HIS BIKE.

19:42:52 I USED TO RIDE MY BIKE TO RIDE AT THE BIG MAAS

19:42:52 BROTHERS.

19:42:55 YES, THE CITY NEEDS HOUSING, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE

19:42:58 HOUSING CRISIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD JOBS CRISIS.

19:43:02 RATTLESNAKE POINT WAS AN UNIQUE INDUSTRIAL SITE WITH

19:43:04 WATER AND RAILROAD ACCESS.

19:43:07 THE POINT PROVIDED GOOD PAYING JOBS FOR DECADES.

19:43:11 FOOLISH AND SHORTSIGHTED FOR THE CITY TO GIVE THAT

19:43:11 AWAY.

19:43:14 THE CITY REPLACED THOSE JOBS WITH THOUSANDS OF CARS ON

19:43:17 A FLOODING PENINSULA WITH INACCURATE INFRASTRUCTURE

19:43:21 THAT COULD TURN DEADLY IN AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION.

19:43:22 I HAVE SEEN THE DATA.

19:43:24 WHILE BUILDERS MAKE BIG PROFITS, THE BIGGEST PROFITS

19:43:28 ARE MADE BY LANDOWNERS WREN THEY GET A CHANGE IN LAND

19:43:30 USE AND ZONING.

19:43:34 THE RATTLESNAKE POINT LANDOWNERS GOT THE CITY TO MAKE

19:43:37 THOSE CHANGES AND NOW THEY ASK SKY HIGH PRICES FOR

19:43:38 THEIR LAND.

19:43:41 THE COMP PLAN HAS NEVER ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT

19:43:43 ABUTTING CFI.

19:43:46 THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO SPECULATE ON A LAND DEAL THAT

19:43:49 VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN.

19:43:52 AT EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUILDERS SAY YOU MUST

19:43:55 APPROVE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH THE COMP

19:43:55 PLAN.

19:43:58 NOW THEY SAY YOU MUST APPROVE SOMETHING EVEN THOUGH IT

19:44:00 VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN.

19:44:03 SO IS THE COMP PLAN COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS?

19:44:06 I DID NOT HEAR STAFF SAY THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE

19:44:11 REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN.

19:44:15 HOMELAND SECURITY CITED RAILCARS AS TARGETS FOR

19:44:16 TERRORISTS.

19:44:20 CSI IS LISTED AS A TOP TARGET IN TWO INDEPENDENT

19:44:21 REPORTS.

19:44:24 RAILCARS WITH TONS OF CHLORINE GAS GO THROUGH SOUTH

19:44:25 TAMPA EVERY DAY.

19:44:33 THE RAILROAD ARE TERRIFIED OF LAWSUIT AND COULD STOP

19:44:37 CHLORINE TRANSPORTATION IF THEY COULD.

19:44:41 BUT DISASTERS DON'T MAKE APPOINTMENTS.

19:44:47 SEPTEMBER 11, 2001.

19:44:49 WASN'T CIRCLED IN RED.

19:44:55 ON THE NATION'S CALENDAR.

19:44:59 IS THERE ANY STAFF MEMBER WHO IS SPECIFICALLY QUALIFIED

19:45:04 TO SAY THESE PLANS WILL KEEP RESIDENTS SAFE?

19:45:08 THE SALE OF CFI COULD HAVE BEEN A DONE DEAL, BUT THE

19:45:13 CITY HAS BEEN UNWILLING TO BUY THE TAXPAYERS A SIX-ACRE

19:45:15 WATERFRONT PARK.

19:45:16 I NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS.

19:45:19 WE ARE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO BUY CFI.

19:45:22 THAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE.

19:45:24 ALTHOUGH THE CURRENT MAYOR AND THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL

19:45:29 DID NOT MAKE THIS MESS, YOU ARE THE ONES WHO MUST CLEAN

19:45:30 IT UP.

19:45:33 PLEASE DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT

19:45:37 THAT ALREADY THE CITY'S FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY ASAP,

19:45:40 AND TAKE SOME OF THE NEW TAX MONEY FROM ALL THESE

19:45:43 DEVELOPMENTS AND BUY A SIX-ACRE WATERFRONT PARK FOR

19:45:45 TAMPA'S CITIZENS.

19:45:51 THANK YOU.

19:45:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

19:45:59 ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

19:46:05 >>CLERK: YES, JEAN STROHMEYER IS ON LINE.

19:46:08 >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE THE VIRTUAL.

19:46:10 >> WE WILL TAKE YOU.

19:46:12 >> THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

19:46:17 >> GOOD EVENING, JESSICA IZERMAN, AN ATTORNEY, WE

19:46:19 REPRESENT MAA WHICH IS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH

19:46:22 OF THE PROPERTY WHO HAD A MIXED USE PROJECT APPROVED

19:46:24 LATE LAST YEAR.

19:46:26 WE DO NOT REPRESENT CFI.

19:46:29 WE REPRESENT ANOTHER PROJECT.

19:46:31 IN RATTLESNAKE POINT.

19:46:34 SORRY, I JUST CLIMBED THREE FLIGHTS OF STAIRS.

19:46:36 OKAY.

19:46:39 WE ARE STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.

19:46:42 I HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THE

19:46:45 RISK OF THE CHLORINE TRAINS.

19:46:49 AND I DO -- I THINK YOU -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR

19:46:53 POINTING OUT THAT THE TRAINS DO GO THROUGH OTHER HIGHLY

19:46:56 POPULATED AREAS INCLUDING DOWNTOWN AND COUNTLESS

19:46:59 STREETS AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE HAS BEEN NO REZONING

19:47:04 REQUESTS DENIED FOR POSSIBLE CHLORINE EXPOSURE DUE TO

19:47:06 PROXIMITY OF THOSE RAILCARS.

19:47:07 OKAY.

19:47:09 THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF

19:47:13 RATTLESNAKE POINT OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

19:47:20 WHICH CONTEMPLATES FROM INDUSTRIAL TO REFERRING AND

19:47:21 COMMERCIAL.

19:47:26 IT HAS EXISTED SINCE THE 190S WITH GANDY POLICIES WERE

19:47:27 ADOPTED BY THE CITY.

19:47:30 THE WATERFRONT AMENITIES PROPOSED BY THE PROJECT A

19:47:32 WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SOUTH OF

19:47:34 GANDY COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

19:47:38 FURTHER, THE PUBLIC BOARDWALK ALONG THE WATER IS AN

19:47:40 IMPORTANT STEP OF ENHANCING CONNECTIVITY AND MIXING

19:47:44 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS SEVERAL POLICIES

19:47:47 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGE THAT.

19:47:50 AND SO WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS

19:47:58 PROPOSED FLUEDRA ELEMENT AND SUPPORT OF OPTION 1 AND

19:47:58 OPTION 2.

19:47:59 THANK YOU.

19:48:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

19:48:05 NOW WE HAVE VIRTUAL.

19:48:09 >>CLERK: WE HAD THREE -- TWO AND -- ONE DID NOT SHOW

19:48:10 UP.

19:48:15 ONE AND IN PERSON AND JEAN STROHMEYER ONLINE.

19:48:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

19:48:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS SHE NOT THERE?

19:48:41 ARE YOU THERE, JEAN?

19:48:43 >> HELLO?

19:48:43 HELLO?

19:48:44 CAN YOU HEAR ME.

19:48:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU HEAR US.

19:48:49 >> YAY.

19:48:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.

19:48:53 >> SHARING MY WEB CAM.

19:48:54 THERE IS THE BUTTON.

19:48:59 GOOD EVENING, --

19:49:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SWEAR NEW, FIRST, JEAN.

19:49:04 [SWEARING IN]

19:49:05 >> SO HELP ME GOD.

19:49:08 I HAVE A BIBLE HERE THAT WILL TELL YOU SO.

19:49:13 ANYWAY, MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, AND I AM REALLY

19:49:14 SHY.

19:49:15 YOU ALL KNOW THAT BY NOW.

19:49:19 I AM VERY SHY ABOUT MY BELIEFS AND OPINIONS.

19:49:21 SO I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION THAT.

19:49:22 OKAY.

19:49:24 I AM JUST LISTENING TO THIS.

19:49:31 AND, YOU KNOW HE, THERE IS JUST SO MUCH TO UN RAVEL

19:49:31 HERE.

19:49:35 THEY WANT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

19:49:39 THE CFI -- WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DO

19:49:42 ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE NEED

19:49:45 TO LISTEN TO WHAT GOES ON AND WHAT WE KNOW THAT THEY

19:49:45 DON'T KNOW.

19:49:48 I MEAN, I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT HAS BEEN GOING

19:49:54 ON WITH THE CITY WITH -- AS -- Y'ALL HAVE SEEN MY -- MY

19:49:55 E-MAILS.

19:49:57 SO I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED.

19:49:58 JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

19:50:00 SO THEY ARE TALKING OF EVACUATIONS.

19:50:03 OKAY, JUST GOING BACK TO THE PROJECT.

19:50:04 THE EVACUATIONS.

19:50:08 THE EVACUATIONS THEY ARE REFERRING TO ONLY.

19:50:11 THE EVACUATIONS FOR THOSE UNITS ONLY WILL NOT BE

19:50:13 EVACUATED BY THOSE UNITS.

19:50:15 WE ARE TALKING OF THE EVACUATION BY EVERYBODY DOWN PORT

19:50:19 TAMPA WHO CAN'T GET THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE OVERBUILDING

19:50:25 ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE PENINSULA WITHIN THE

19:50:25 PENINSULA.

19:50:27 THOSE ARE THE EVACUATIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

19:50:29 THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE DYING IN THEIR CAR.

19:50:34 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE HELICOPTER E VA CS

19:50:34 OUT.

19:50:36 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE WILL DO.

19:50:39 BUT MOST PEOPLE DOWN HERE WHO LIVE HERE AND HAVE BUILT

19:50:44 THIS CITY DOWN HERE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT.

19:50:46 SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENTAL

19:50:54 RELEASE OF TOXICS FROM THE CHEMICALS.

19:50:56 THE GUY -- THE TOXICOLOGIST AND THEY ARE SAYING THE

19:50:57 SLIGHT CHANCES.

19:51:00 WHAT ARE THE CHANCE AS SOON AS THE CHANCES ARE REALLY

19:51:00 SLIM.

19:51:02 YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SLIM CHANNELS.

19:51:07 A REALLY, REALLY SLIM CHANCE LAST JANUARY WHEN OUR

19:51:11 FARMER IN SOUTH TAMPA GOT MAULED AND TRAMPLED BY HIS

19:51:12 OWN BULL.

19:51:14 NOW THAT JUST DIDN'T -- DOESN'T HAPPEN.

19:51:19 A SLIGHT CHANCE WHEN MY BROTHER WAS RIDING ON THE

19:51:22 PINELLAS TRAIL WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND ON A TANDEM BIKE AND

19:51:26 SOME GUY HIT ANOTHER CAR CAUSING A ANOTHER CAR TO ROLL

19:51:29 OVER AND FLIP AND KILL THEM BOTH ON THE SCENE.

19:51:33 THAT IS JUST -- THAT IS, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T WRITE THAT

19:51:34 CIRCLE ON THE CALENDAR.

19:51:38 HOW ABOUT THE INCIDENT WHERE THE ONE GUY WITH --

19:51:41 SPEEDING 100 MILES PER HOUR DOWN BAYSHORE AND KILLED A

19:51:42 MOTHER AND A BABY.

19:51:46 WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT MOTHER AND BABY AT THAT EXACT

19:51:47 TIME.

19:51:52 ACCIDENT AND THESE DO NOT HAPPEN BY APPOINTMENT.

19:51:55 THEY HAPPEN WHEN ALL THINGS JUST COME TOGETHER.

19:51:57 NOW GOD HAS HIS WAYS.

19:52:00 AND GOD WILL TAKE US WHEN IT IS -- WHEN HE IS GOOD AND

19:52:02 READY FOR US AND WE HOPE OUR SOULS ARE READY FOR THAT.

19:52:04 JUST SAYING.

19:52:07 SO WITH THIS WHOLE SITUATION, I JUST FEEL THESE PEOPLE

19:52:12 HAVE BEEN PUSHING AND PUSHING AND WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT

19:52:13 HAS HAPPENED.

19:52:14 WE SAW WITH DINGFELDER.

19:52:18 WE SAW IT WITH ALL THE OTHER ONES YOU SAID NO TO, THEY

19:52:19 JUST SUE.

19:52:21 SUE, SUE, SUE.

19:52:26 BUT THERE HAS BE TOO POINT WHERE SOMEBODY PUTS THEIR

19:52:29 BIG BOY PANTS ON AND SAY NO.

19:52:30 JUST DEAL WITH IT.

19:52:31 WE HAVE WHAT IS RIGHT.

19:52:32 AND WHAT IS WRONG.

19:52:34 THERE IS ONLY ONE RIGHT.

19:52:34 ONLY ONE RIGHT.

19:52:37 AND I HOPE YOU START WRITING THE WRONGS THAT ARE GOING

19:52:40 ON IN THIS CORRUPT CITY THAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING AND

19:52:45 OTHER PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY COMING TO ME AND WONDERING

19:52:46 WHY THIS CITY IS CORRUPT.

19:52:50 I TRY SAY -- I TRY TO SAYS IT NOT Y'ALL, BUT Y'ALL CAN

19:52:50 FIX IT.

19:52:55 ANYWAY, HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON, EVENING, NIGHT, BEEN

19:52:56 HERE ALL DAY.

19:52:58 PEACE OUT.

19:52:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.

19:53:01 ANYONE ELSE, MADAM CLERK?

19:53:03 >>CLERK: THAT WAS IT.

19:53:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT.

19:53:32 >> THANK YOU, AGAIN.

19:53:36 I WANT TO JUST POINT OUT A FEW -- A FEW THINGS.

19:53:39 FIRST OF ALL, QUICK RESPONSE.

19:53:41 CONDITION 18 DOES REQUIRE THAT WE PROVIDE NOTICE TO

19:53:46 TENANTS AND PROSPECTIVE TENANTS.

19:53:49 WE ADDED THAT AT THE REQUEST OF STEPHANIE THAT WE

19:53:53 NOTIFY WHERE THEY ARE COMING TO POTENTIALLY LIVE.

19:53:57 THE TAMPA BAY LOCAL PLANNING COMMITTEE THROUGH THE

19:54:01 TAMPA BAY REGIONAL COMMISSION HAS A HAZARDOUS EMERGENCY

19:54:04 RESPONSE PLAN THAT WORKS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT

19:54:08 COUNTIES IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AND HAS SPECIFIC

19:54:10 PROVISIONS FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT RELATE TO WHERE

19:54:13 ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND

19:54:16 THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR MITIGATING AND DEALING WITH

19:54:19 HAZARDOUS ISSUES.

19:54:22 AND CFI IS ONE OF THE FACILITIES WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH

19:54:26 COUNTY THAT -- THAT THE COUNTY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A

19:54:27 PLAN FOR.

19:54:30 SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS

19:54:32 ACTUALLY DOING, BUT THERE IS -- THROUGH THE TAMPA BAY

19:54:35 LOCAL PLANNING COMMITTEE, THROUGH THE TAMPA BAY

19:54:42 REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, THAT IS WHERE THAT LOCAL

19:54:45 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COMES FROM.

19:54:48 MMA AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED HERE ARE

19:54:50 SIMILARLY SITUATED.

19:54:51 THEY DO NOT ABUT.

19:54:55 WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE 8.11.5 WHICH

19:54:57 TALKS OF THE FACT THAT WE ABUT.

19:55:00 IT ALSO TALKS OF BEING UNDULY AT RISK.

19:55:01 IT DOESN'T SAY NO RISK.

19:55:04 OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH A SITUATION OF NO

19:55:05 RISK.

19:55:07 WE ARE DEALING WITH A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS

19:55:09 POTENTIALLY SOME RISK.

19:55:17 BUT LIKE ANY HIGH-RISK, LOW PROBABILITY SITUATION, WE

19:55:20 ARE MITT GAZING TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE NOT UNDULY AT

19:55:20 RISK.

19:55:23 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS REACH OUT TO AN EXPERT, A

19:55:26 SCIENTIST, A DOCTOR, WHO SPECIALIZES IN THIS TO PROVIDE

19:55:31 US WITH INFORMATION AND TO BE GET US TO A POINT WHERE

19:55:33 WE CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING MITIGATION

19:55:40 THAT DOES NOT PUT OUR RESIDENTS OR THE -- PUBLIC NEARBY

19:55:44 UNDULY AT RISK SO WE ARE MEETING THE CRITERIA OF THE

19:55:47 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WITH THESE ACCEPTED PRACTICES.

19:55:51 WITH REGARD TO THE RAILCARS, WE CONFIRMED THAT THE RAIL

19:55:56 LINE IT SELF IS 20 TO 30 FEET FROM THE PAVEMENT.

19:56:00 AND THE RAILCARS ONLY GO THREE NIGHTS A WEEK, GENERALLY

19:56:03 BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 5 A.M., ABOUT FIVE TO TEN MILES

19:56:05 PER HOUR ALONG TYSON.

19:56:08 AND EVEN, AGAIN, LOWERING THAT RISK OF ANY SORT OF

19:56:13 EVENT HAPPENING ON TYSON, NOT EVEN FOR JUST OUR

19:56:17 PROPERTY FOR ANY PROPERTY THAT IS ALONG THE ROAD.

19:56:21 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS IF I COULD GET DR. NONY BACK

19:56:22 ON THE LINE.

19:56:27 HE WANTS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME

19:56:30 UP.

19:56:32 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME AGAIN?

19:56:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU.

19:56:34 >> GREAT.

19:56:36 SO I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS

19:56:39 AND I WANT TO SAY THINK THAT APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS

19:56:40 FROM THE PUBLIC.

19:56:44 PART OF MY JOB IS TO HELP PEOPLE UNDER STAND RISK.

19:56:46 AND I AM AN EXPERT IN IT, BUT NOT EVERYBODY IS.

19:56:49 AND I REALLY HOPE WE CAN COME -- PROVIDE SOME

19:56:52 INFORMATION THAT CAN GIVE PEOPLE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF

19:56:54 WHAT THESE ISSUES ARE HERE.

19:56:57 I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- ONE OF THE

19:56:59 COUNCILMEMBERS HAD MENTIONED WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE TANK

19:57:01 CARS IN A HURRICANE.

19:57:05 MY COMPANY RESPONDED TO NEW ORLEANS AFTER HURRICANE

19:57:05 KATRINA.

19:57:12 AND THE FIRST PLACE WE RESPONDED TO WAS A CSX RAIL YARD

19:57:13 IN NEW ORLEANS.

19:57:16 AND WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE GOT THERE WAS A LOT OF

19:57:18 FLOODING.

19:57:22 THERE WAS SOME DAMAGE TO THE RAIL OF SOME OF THE

19:57:27 RAILCARS INVOLVED, BUT WHAT WE FOUND WAS NO LEAK

19:57:31 CHEMICALS TO ANY SIGNIFICANT EXTENT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY

19:57:33 THESE RAILCARS ARE BUILT.

19:57:36 AND ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS MENTIONED, WHAT HAPPENS

19:57:39 IF A TANK CAR ROLLS OVER?

19:57:43 THE NEW 2009 REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT THE CHLORINE TANK

19:57:45 CARS IN PARTICULAR AND OTHER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

19:57:51 CARRIED IN SIMILAR TYPE OF TANK CAR WILL HAVE A MORE

19:57:55 ROBUST VALVE PROTECTION OWL OF THE CAR AND THE ONLY

19:57:59 PLACE THAT THEY GO IN AND OUT OF THE VALVES IN THE TOP.

19:58:03 TINS 2009 -- HURRICANE KATRINA WAS 2005.

19:58:06 SINCE 2009, WE HAVE SEEN MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT SAFETY

19:58:09 WITH THESE TANK CARS.

19:58:13 IF THEY DO ROLL OVER WHICH IN THE BARTO, GEORGIA

19:58:18 DERAILMENT I RESPONDED TO, 13 TANK CARS PILED UP LIKE

19:58:23 YOU COULD IMAGINE LIKE A KID'S TRAIN SET.

19:58:26 CARS WERE PILED UP ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

19:58:28 THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

19:58:34 WE DIDN'T LOSE A SINGLE OUNCE OF CHLORINE AND ROLLED ON

19:58:34 THE SIDE.

19:58:36 SOME OF THEM STANDING ON END.

19:58:38 THEY ARE JUST VERY, VERY ROBUST CARS.

19:58:42 >> THAT WAS A HIGH-SPEED DERAILMENT.

19:58:47 NOT A LOW-SPEED AT A FACILITY KIND OF THING, CORRECT?

19:58:48 >> THAT'S RIGHT.

19:58:51 ABLE 50-MILE TRACT.

19:58:55 THAT GETS TO ANOTHER POINT THINK THAT WANT TO MAKE.

19:58:59 CSX AND THE OTHER CLASS 1 RAILROADS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW

19:59:05 TO TRANSPORT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND THEY DO IT ACROSS

19:59:07 THE COUNTRY AND DO IT VERY SAFELY.

19:59:09 WHEN THINGS GO WRONG.

19:59:12 LARGE QUANTITIES OF CHEMICALS IT CAN BE A LARGE

19:59:12 INCIDENT.

19:59:15 AND SO -- I THINK THE POINT BEING THERE IS NOT ANY WAY

19:59:20 FOR A HIGH-SPEED ACCIDENT TO HAPPEN IN THE CFI

19:59:21 FACILITY.

19:59:24 AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE A CATASTROPHIC RELEASE OF

19:59:29 AN ENTIRE TANK CAR OF CHLORINE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A

19:59:31 HIGH-SPEED INCIDENT.

19:59:33 I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY ON THE

19:59:36 COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT JUST --

19:59:39 SOMETHING THAT PRACTICALLY CANNOT HAPPEN AT C F I.

19:59:42 THE ISSUE THAT IS MORE LIKELY -- ALTHOUGH STILL VERY

19:59:46 RARE -- FOR THERE TO BE A SMALL RELEASE FROM A VALVE OR

19:59:48 HOSE THAT BREAKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

19:59:52 I WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE PROCEDURES THAT CFI HAS IN

19:59:55 PLACE TO PREVENT THOSE FROM BEING SIGNIFICANT RELEASES

19:59:59 THAT COULD GET OUTSIDE OF THEIR FACILITY.

20:00:03 THIS ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO THE COUNTY EPC WHO DID THEIR

20:00:07 INSPECTION OF THE CFI FACILITY IN 2007.

20:00:08 THEY WROTE A REPORT.

20:00:12 THEY FOUND THAT THEIR PROCEDURES THEY PUT IN PLACE TO

20:00:15 MITIGATE CHLORINE RELEASES WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE

20:00:19 ORDER THAT HAD BEEN PUT FORTH FOR THEM TO COMPLY WITH,

20:00:23 AND THAT THEIR ENGINEERS EVEN SAID WHAT WE HAVE DONE AT

20:00:28 CFI WILL PREVENT OR STOP FROM EVEN HAPPENING IN THE

20:00:31 FIRST PLACE SIGNIFICANT RELEASES OF CHLORINE FROM OUR

20:00:32 FACILITY.

20:00:39 THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS SINCE 2003.

20:00:42 >> JUST PUTTING DOWN -- THAT IS THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

20:00:45 RESPONSE PLAN.

20:00:48 I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE -- WE FEEL WE HAVE MET OUR

20:00:49 BURDEN.

20:00:51 WE FEEL WE ADDRESSED EVERY POINT.

20:00:54 WE RESPONDED TO EVERY ISSUE.

20:00:56 WE HAVE MET EVERY REQUIREMENT.

20:01:02 WE -- WE -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY STAFF

20:01:07 HAVE CONFIRMED THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT.

20:01:11 WE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, EVERY -- I THINK EVERY CONCERN

20:01:14 AND HAVE SUPPORT FROM MR. STEADY AS WELL.

20:01:18 SO WE WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT.

20:01:19 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

20:01:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT WAS JUST ON THE OVERHEAD?

20:01:26 >> THE TAMPA BAY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS RESPONSE PLAN THAT

20:01:29 IS DONE BY THE LOCAL EMERGENCY PLANNING COMMITTEE THAT

20:01:32 EVERY PART OF FLORIDA HAS.

20:01:35 AND EVERY -- IT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE AREA AND

20:01:39 THEN FOR EACH COUNTY, IT PROVIDES INFORMATION -- A

20:01:51 LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HAZARDOUS FACILITIES IN THE AREA

20:01:54 AND EVERY SINGLE LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT -- AND AGENCY

20:01:56 WITHIN THAT GOVERNMENT INCLUDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT,

20:01:59 THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, THE BOARD OF

20:02:02 COUNTY COMMISSIONER, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE SCHOOL

20:02:06 BOARD AND WHAT ROLE THEY ALL PLAY IN EVERY SINGLE PART

20:02:09 OF THE -- DEALING WITH HAZARDOUS AND EMERGENCY

20:02:12 MANAGEMENT OF DANGEROUS FACILITIES.

20:02:15 AND CSI IS ONE OF THE FACILITIES THAT IS PART OF THAT

20:02:26 WHOLE PROCESS PROS WHEN MISS POYNOR SAYS WHAT ROLE DOES

20:02:31 TAMPA FIRE PLAY, THIS IS WHERE THAT WHOLE OVERSIGHT

20:02:33 COMES FROM AND COMES FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WHICH HAS

20:02:37 ITS OWN PROCESS AND DIVIDED UP AND EACH PART OF THE

20:02:41 CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE THEIR OWN ROLE TO PLAY SO

20:02:44 THERE IS -- NOT ONLY IS CSI HAVING ITS OWN FULL

20:02:51 NATIONAL STATE REGULATORY PROCESS FOR SAFETY, BUT THE

20:02:54 LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS ITS OWN PROCESSES FOR MAKING SURE

20:02:59 IT IS KEEPING ITS CITIZENS SAFE AND IN ADDITION AS PART

20:03:04 OF THIS PROCESS TONIGHT, WOODFIELD IS IMPLEMENTING ITS

20:03:08 OWN PROS THEY CEASE FOR SECURITY FOR ITS OWN RESIDENTS

20:03:13 WHERE NO OTHER PROJECT IN THE CITY REALLY DOING.

20:03:15 THE ONES DOWN THE STREET AREN'T DOING IT.

20:03:16 AND ALONG THE RAIL LINE.

20:03:18 ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

20:03:21 I APPRECIATE IT.

20:03:25 >>BILL CARLSON: OUR -- THE INSTRUCTIONS WE GOT FROM

20:03:27 LEGAL SAY WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS.

20:03:29 WE CAN -- YOU ALL WANT TO COME BACK.

20:03:31 I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION.

20:03:31 SORRY.

20:03:34 SORRY TO BRING YOU BACK AGAIN.

20:03:38 BUT OUR INSTRUCTIONS SAY THAT WE CAN ACCEPT THE

20:03:41 MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION, REJECT IT, OR WE CAN

20:03:43 SUGGEST A MODIFICATION.

20:03:46 AND SO JUST TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE BEFORE WE

20:03:51 CLOSE -- LEGAL CUT ME OFF IF YOU WANT, BUT IT SEEMS

20:03:55 LIKE YOU ARE PRETTY -- YOU ARE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT

20:03:59 THIS -- THIS CHLORINE PLANT WILL BE SHUT DOWN.

20:04:02 ANY WAY TO CONSIDER MAKE A CONDITION ON BOTH OPTIONS

20:04:05 THAT IT WILL BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED BEFORE IT GOES

20:04:08 FORWARD SO THAT THE -- SO THAT -- EVERYTHING WILL BE

20:04:10 APPROVED, BUT ON THE CONDITION -- ON THE ADDITIONAL

20:04:15 CONDITION THAT THE PLANT BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED?

20:04:17 >> I AM HESITANT TO DO THAT.

20:04:23 UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WHILE WE ARE HOPEFUL, THE PROCESS

20:04:28 FOR THAT SALE IS HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL.

20:04:34 AND WE ARE NOT GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SHALL ABLE

20:04:40 TO CONFIRM WITH SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS, NUMBER

20:04:43 ONE, FOR SURE GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE ARE HOPEFUL.

20:04:49 OR IT IS GOING TO IMMEDIATELY, WHICH WE ARE HOPEFUL,

20:04:50 AND WE DON'T KNOW.

20:04:52 IT COULD HAPPEN IN A YEAR.

20:04:55 IT COULD HAPPEN IN A MONTH OR A WEEK.

20:04:57 WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.

20:05:02 AND UNFORTUNATELY WE -- AS -- YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS, IT

20:05:07 IS VERY DIFFICULT TO -- FOR THEM TO KINDS OF DETERMINE

20:05:11 TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH SUCH A UNKNOWN OUT THERE.

20:05:16 AND JUST TO PUT OUR WHOLE BUSINESS IN THIS -- IN THE

20:05:19 HANDS OF THESE THIRD PARTIES AREN'T TELLING US WHAT IS

20:05:23 HAPPENING EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SORT OF HOPEFUL, IT'S --

20:05:27 IT'S JUST -- I THINK TOO RISKY TO DO THAT.

20:05:31 THAT IS WHY WE -- WE EXPRESSLY PUT FORWARD THESE

20:05:34 OPTIONS OF PUTTING TOGETHER ALL THIS MITIGATION ON THE

20:05:34 ONE HAND.

20:05:38 WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO -- AND HOPEFUL THAT THEY DO

20:05:41 PROCEED TO SELL, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND ALL

20:05:44 THIS EXTRA MONEY AND ALL THIS EXTRA WORK AND EFFORT.

20:05:47 AND HONESTLY, WE ARE HAVING TO RESOLVE WITH THE

20:05:50 PROPERTY TO THE WEST TO GET THAT SECONDARY ACCESS.

20:05:53 IT'S A HUGE PAIN TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

20:05:54 AND WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO.

20:05:58 BUT IT IS JUST TOO RISKY FOR US.

20:06:00 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I CAN ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION AND

20:06:03 LEGAL, CUT ME OFF IF I AM NOT INTERPRETING THIS RIGHT.

20:06:05 SOMETHING -- IF WE MADE A CONDITION, SOMETHING THAT A

20:06:09 CLIENT WOULD WANT THAT WE COULD -- THAT WE COULD OFFER

20:06:12 TO PUT SOMETHING IN BUT PUT THAT CONDITION IN THAT WILL

20:06:14 TAKE SOMETHING OUT?

20:06:19 >> I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND.

20:06:20 >>CATE WELLS: CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.

20:06:25 IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ARE GOING THIS IS

20:06:27 TRY TO NEGOTIATE TERMS.

20:06:31 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW DO WE -- WHAT DOES "MODIFY" MEAN?

20:06:36 HOW DO WE NEGOTIATE A MODIFICATION, UNILATERALLY.

20:06:38 >>CATE WELLS: AN INTERESTING OPTION.

20:06:42 AN OPTION THAT IS IN THE FLUEDRA ACT.

20:06:47 AND NOT ONE THAT I HAVE SEEN THIS COUNCIL PURSUE.

20:06:51 MOST OF THE -- SINCE I RETURNED TO THE CITY, WHEN WE

20:06:54 HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT SETTLEMENT PROCESS, THE PARTIES

20:06:58 HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL EVERY TIME IN PRESENTING A

20:07:01 SETTLEMENT TO THIS CITY COUNCIL THAT HAS BEEN FOUND

20:07:02 ACCEPTABLE.

20:07:05 AND I THINK IT IS BECAUSE THE SETTLEMENTS REALLY FOCUS

20:07:08 ON THE BASIS FOR THE ORIGINAL DENIALS.

20:07:13 A CONDITION HERE -- I THINK IF BASED ON THE TESTIMONY

20:07:16 YOU HEARD FROM THEIR EXPERT, IF YOU FELT ADDITIONAL

20:07:23 MITIGATION WAS REQUIRED WITH REGARD TO ALTERNATIVE SITE

20:07:27 PLAN NUMBER 1, WHERE CHEMICAL FORMULATORS REMAIN IN

20:07:30 PLAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE TYPE OF MODIFICATION

20:07:33 THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO

20:07:35 SEE IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE.

20:07:38 BUT TO SUGGEST THAT IF YOU DO THIS, WE DO THAT.

20:07:41 THAT TYPE OF NEGOTIATION, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT

20:07:45 THE STATUTE CONTEMPLATED IN THE WAY OF MODIFICATION.

20:07:49 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.

20:07:51 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

20:07:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.

20:07:56 >> I AM SORRY.

20:07:59 THIS MAY BE PRESUMPTUOUS, BUT I WAS TOLD THIS IS THE

20:08:01 RIGHT TIME.

20:08:05 BECAUSE OF THE -- LIKE I EXPLAINED, THE ISSUE THAT WE

20:08:08 HAVE WITH THE MULTIPLE PARTIES IS WE ARE DEALING WITH

20:08:11 RESOLVING ALL THESE THINGS AND ENSURING WE CAN PROVIDE

20:08:14 THE ACCESS AND THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD ASK JUST

20:08:20 IF YOU ARE SO GOOD AS TO GRANT THIS APPROVAL TONIGHT,

20:08:22 WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR EXTRA TIME UNTIL SECOND READING

20:08:29 SO WE CAN WORK ON ENSURING THAT EVERYTHING IS TIED UP

20:08:32 AND EVERYTHING RESOLVED SO WE CAN CONTINUE FORWARD AND

20:08:35 HAVE AN EXTENDED SECOND READING TIME.

20:08:37 SO, THANK YOU.

20:08:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.

20:08:39 >> SO MOVED.

20:08:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO KNOW WHAT EXTRA TIME

20:08:43 MEANS?

20:08:45 >> LIKE TO THE -- TO THE FOLLOWING --

20:08:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I NEVER HEARD OF THAT --

20:08:50 >> JUST TO THE FOLLOWING SECOND READING, MAY 5 INSTEAD

20:08:51 OF ENDS OF APRIL.

20:08:53 JUST AN FEDERAL EXTRA WEEK OR TWO.

20:08:55 THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING.

20:08:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT TWO YEARS

20:08:58 FROM NOW?

20:08:59 >> NO.

20:09:03 WE COULD WAIT FOR CFI TO CLOSE, I THINK, BUT, NO.

20:09:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.

20:09:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

20:09:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR.

20:09:10 MOVE TO CLOSE.

20:09:12 ALL IN FAVOR.

20:09:14 MOTION GRANTED.

20:09:15 MR. MANISCALCO.

20:09:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

20:09:24 HOPEFULLY I DO THAT RIGHT BECAUSE I HEARD AND SAW

20:09:25 ALTERNATIVES ONE AND TWO.

20:09:29 CAN THEY BE INCLUDED TOGETHER OR I CHOOSE ONE OR THE

20:09:30 OTHER.

20:09:33 I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S

20:09:37 RECOMMENDATION AFTER HEARING ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE AND

20:09:41 TESTIMONY OVER THE LAST TWO HOURS.

20:09:44 I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S

20:09:47 RECOMMENDATION, PROCEED TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATION

20:09:56 WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE ALTERNATIVES ONE AND TWO.

20:10:01 THEN THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST MOTION.

20:10:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE A SECOND.

20:10:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL SECOND IT.

20:10:06 WE HAVE ONE AND TWO.

20:10:08 THE FIRST ONE IS TO ACCEPT THE MAGISTRATE'S

20:10:11 RECOMMENDATION AND THE REPORT, AM I CORRECT?

20:10:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.

20:10:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT IS THE ONE ON THE FLOOR NOW.

20:10:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED.

20:10:19 ROLL CALL.

20:10:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

20:10:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. VIERA?

20:10:27 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

20:10:30 I AM SORRY -- YES, EXCUSE ME.

20:10:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

20:10:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

20:10:37 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.

20:10:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS.

20:10:48 SOMETIMES OFF DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.

20:10:52 AND WHAT I SEE HERE, WE HAVE A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.

20:10:56 BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES, THIS IS GOING

20:11:01 TO HAPPEN.

20:11:03 THE VOTES ALREADY THERE.

20:11:05 SO MY VOTE DOESN'T MATTER AT THIS POINT, BUT I WILL LET

20:11:09 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE

20:11:13 SITUATIONS, IT IS UNFORTUNATE TO OUR CITIZENS

20:11:15 SOMETIMES.

20:11:18 BUT I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES FOR THE PROJECT

20:11:22 BECAUSE I JUST KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT IS

20:11:23 GOING TO HAPPEN.

20:11:26 SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES.

20:11:30 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND CARLSON VOTING

20:11:30 NO.

20:11:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE SECOND PART.

20:11:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND PART.

20:11:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE SECOND PART TO THIS IS THE

20:11:37 MOTION TO IMPLEMENT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE

20:11:38 RECOMMENDATION.

20:11:41 THIS WILL BE TO READ THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE, IS THAT

20:11:42 CORRECT?

20:11:44 OKAY.

20:11:49 SO I -- I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST

20:11:52 READING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE ADOPTED PURSUANT TO

20:11:56 SECTION 70.51, FLORIDA STATUTES ACCEPTING A SPECIAL

20:11:58 MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION AND REZONING

20:12:03 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 501 W. TYSON AVENUE

20:12:05 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY

20:12:08 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, FROM ZONING DISTRICT

20:12:12 CLASSIFICATION IH, INDUSTRIAL HEAVY, TO PD, PLANNED

20:12:17 DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL SALES,

20:12:21 SPECIALTY GOODS, CONVENIENCE GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS,

20:12:24 MARINA PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

20:12:27 MAY I SAY THAT THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH LAND USE

20:12:32 POLICY 7.1.5.

20:12:37 AND ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN OF BURDEN THROUGH DESIGN AND

20:12:40 PRACTICES THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE PROPOSED USE WILL

20:12:44 NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK FOR POTENTIAL HAZARDS ASSOCIATED

20:12:46 WITH THE ABUTTING PROPERTY.

20:12:49 WE HEARD FROM THE DOCTOR, AS A TOXICOLOGIST AND THE

20:12:52 EVIDENCE THAT HE AND TESTIMONY HE PROVIDED.

20:12:57 THE DENSITY PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXCEED

20:13:00 THE DENSITY OF THE LAND USE CATEGORY.

20:13:03 WE HEARD A REDUCTION FROM WHAT WE HEARD THE LAST TIME

20:13:06 REDUCTION IN UNITS AND COMPATIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT

20:13:10 PATTERN APPROVED FOR OTHER PARCELS ON RATTLESNAKE

20:13:11 POINT.

20:13:17 AND COMPLIANCE WITH 27-136, PURPOSE OF THE SITE PLAN

20:13:19 CONTROLLED DISTRICT.

20:13:20 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN

20:13:23 PROMOTES OR ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT THAT IS APPROPRIATE

20:13:26 AND LOCATION, CHARACTER AND COMPATIBILITY.

20:13:28 WE HAVE SEEN THAT WITH THE SURROUNDING PARCELS.

20:13:32 PROPOSED USE PROMOTES THE EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE USE

20:13:34 OF LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

20:13:38 THIS ALSO INCLUDES ALL WAIVERS IN COMPLIANCE IN SECTION

20:13:41 27-1394.

20:13:44 AND I WILL THROW IN THERE, THE EXTRA TIME FOR SECOND

20:13:48 READING THAT WAS REQUESTED IN ORDER TO WORK OUT ANY

20:13:52 OTHER KINKS AND TIE UP LOOSE ENDS FOR MAY 5 INSTEAD OF

20:13:55 THE TRADITIONAL NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE HAVE.

20:14:00 THAT IS MY MOTION.

20:14:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE REVISION SHEET BETWEEN FIRST AND

20:14:04 SECOND READING.

20:14:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THE REVISION SHEET.

20:14:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I ASK UNDER --

20:14:13 [INAUDIBLE]

20:14:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST FOR CLARITY, THE DESIGN OF

20:14:17 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS UNIQUE AND THEREFORE IN

20:14:19 NEED OF WAIVERS.

20:14:24 WE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY AND THE -- THE MEDIATION IN

20:14:27 BETWEEN TO GET TO THAT POINT.

20:14:29 THE REQUESTED WAIVER WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE

20:14:33 OR INJURY THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS WHOSE PROPERTY WILL BE

20:14:35 AFFECTED WHICH THE WAIVER.

20:14:37 WE HEARD ALL THE EVIDENCE THERE.

20:14:39 AGAIN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH CHEMICAL

20:14:41 FORMULATORS.

20:14:42 IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT MONTH.

20:14:44 IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT YEAR.

20:14:48 WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE AS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED

20:14:49 THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL.

20:14:52 SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

20:14:56 PERHAPS THIS ACTS AS A CATALYST FOR, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT

20:14:57 ON THAT.

20:15:01 AND I THINK I HAVE COVERED EVERYTHING.

20:15:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

20:15:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

20:15:04 DISCUSSION.

20:15:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN, THE LAST TIME

20:15:15 WE HEARD THIS CASE, MY DECISION WAS BASED ON THE ENTRANCE AND

20:15:17 EXIT WITH THE RAIL THERE.

20:15:21 NOW, MR. SHELBY, IF I OVERSTEP MY BOUNDS, PLEASE TELL

20:15:22 ME.

20:15:28 YEARS AGO, THIS WAS INDUSTRIAL.

20:15:33 YOU HAD THE MARINA UP THERE, UNDERWRITERS LABORATORY

20:15:38 AND OTHER INDUSTRIAL PLACES.

20:15:41 BUT NONE OF THEM HAD THE EFFECT THAT THIS CHLORINE

20:15:43 PLANT HAD.

20:15:47 I AM NOT AGAINST DEVELOPING RATTLESNAKE POINT.

20:15:52 BUT MY CONCERN STILL IS THAT CHLORINE PLANT.

20:15:55 LIFE WOULD BE SO MUCH EASIER IF IT WASN'T THERE.

20:15:59 SO I WANT TO YOU UNDERSTAND I AM NOT AGAINST THE

20:16:00 DEVELOPMENT.

20:16:05 MY CONCERNS ARE THE EFFECT THAT THAT PLANT MAY BE --

20:16:10 MAYBE HAVE ON THE RESIDENTS AROUND IT.

20:16:14 AND, THEREFORE, THAT IS THE BASIS OF MY VOTE.

20:16:17 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

20:16:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY?

20:16:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST -- JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, AND

20:16:26 I HAVE REVIEWED ROBERT RULES ON THIS.

20:16:29 DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SHOULD TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE

20:16:29 VOTE.

20:16:33 AND IF YOU CAN, COUNCIL, I WOULD APPRECIATE FOR FUTURE

20:16:36 IF YOU JUST NOT MAKE COMMENTS DURING THE VOTE AND STOP

20:16:40 THE PROCESS DURING THE VOTE.

20:16:43 SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY AND TAKE THE VOTE IN SEQUENCE

20:16:44 PLEASE.

20:16:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: VERY GOOD, SIR.

20:16:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

20:16:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TAKE THE VOTE.

20:16:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

20:16:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

20:16:54 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.

20:17:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

20:17:02 >>LUIS VIERA: SORRY, YES.

20:17:02 SORRY.

20:17:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

20:17:07 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND CARLSON VOTE

20:17:09 NOTHING.

20:17:21 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION MAY 5, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.

20:17:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 6.

20:17:26 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT

20:17:27 COORDINATION.

20:17:30 REZ 21-115.

20:17:37 FOR PROPOSED REZONING AT 1502 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE --

20:17:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

20:17:41 I DON'T KNOW IF CCTV IS INVOLVED.

20:17:43 BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

20:17:46 TRY IT AGAIN.

20:17:47 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: THANK YOU.

20:17:49 CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

20:17:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST BARELY.

20:17:52 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ZAIN HUSSEIN,

20:17:54 LANDS DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

20:17:58 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, CASE REZ-21-115.

20:18:06 PROPOSED REZONING AT 1502 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE.

20:18:06 1314, 1312, 1310, 1308, 1306, 1304, 1302 EAST KAY

20:18:16 STREET AS WELL AS 801, 803, 805, 807, 809, 811 E 3RD

20:18:23 AVE.

20:18:30 PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16 AND YC-5 TO PD RESIDENTIAL

20:18:31 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL

20:18:32 OFFICE.

20:18:34 I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING

20:18:38 COMMISSION.

20:18:39 >>JENNIFER MALONE: GOOD EVENING.

20:18:41 GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

20:18:43 JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.

20:18:51 I WILL SHARE SCREEN WHENEVER I HAVE PERMISSION.

20:18:56 AS ZAIN STATED BEFORE, REZ 21-115.

20:18:59 WE ARE IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT IN THE

20:19:01 CENTRAL PARK URBAN VILLAGE.

20:19:04 SO WE ARE LOCATED ON NEBRASKA AVENUE.

20:19:07 I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE, SO I WILL

20:19:09 BE BRIEF IN THE AERIAL.

20:19:12 EVERYBODY HAS A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THIS

20:19:15 IS AND THE ENCORE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH AND TAMPA

20:19:17 PARK APARTMENTS TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.

20:19:21 THE FUTURE LAND USE IS URBAN MIXED USE-60.

20:19:24 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, REGIONAL MIXED USE-100.

20:19:27 TO THE EAST IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.

20:19:31 THE -- THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WANT MIXED USE

20:19:31 CORRIDOR.

20:19:34 I UNDERSTAND THIS IS BEFORE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY.

20:19:37 AND I JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT BETWEEN

20:19:41 THE LAST SITE PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN THAT THE PLANNING

20:19:46 COMMISSION REVIEWED, THE REPORTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF

20:19:49 YOU TODAY, WE AGREED -- WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE

20:19:52 CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE, PRIMARILY ADDING

20:19:56 BUILDING ENTRANCES THAT ARE ORIENTED TOWARD.

20:19:59 AND THEY CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK ALONG NORTH NEBRASKA

20:20:00 AVENUE.

20:20:03 WE FOUND IN WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE CENTER

20:20:07 CORRIDORS AND POLICIES AND THAT THE PEDESTRIAN CAN

20:20:10 ACCESS TRANSIT AND NAVIGATE THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

20:20:13 WE ALSO FIND THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT -- THAT THE

20:20:18 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES NEW HOUSING ON PARCELS TO

20:20:23 ENSURE THERE IS AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING TO MEET

20:20:26 TAMPA'S PRESENT GROWING POPULATION AND THIS WILL HELP

20:20:28 HOUSING CHOICES.

20:20:31 RESIDENTIAL INFILL PATTERN CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY

20:20:34 FORM STRATEGY AND PLANNING COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE AND

20:20:37 FIND ARE THE HE ADVISED SITE PLAN WITH THE PEDESTRIAN

20:20:40 ENTRANCES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED CONSISTENT WITH

20:20:41 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

20:20:44 THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

20:20:45 THANK YOU.

20:20:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING FOR MISS MALONE?

20:20:53 ALL RIGHT, BACK TO YOU, ZAIN, LIFT YOUR MICROPHONE TO

20:20:54 YOUR MOUTH.

20:20:57 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: CAN YOU HEAR ME PRETTY WELL?

20:20:59 GUDES LITTLE BIT BETTER.

20:21:01 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: ZAIN HUSSEIN, LANDS DEVELOPMENT

20:21:02 COORDINATION.

20:21:04 21-115.

20:21:08 THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE IS MARK BENTLEY PROP

20:21:13 POSED REZONE FROM YC-5 AND RM-16 TO PD, PLANNED

20:21:15 DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND

20:21:19 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS REQUESTING EIGHT

20:21:21 WAIVERS, MOSTLY TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING

20:21:24 AND NATURAL RESOURCES.

20:21:27 FIRST WAIVER TO REQUEST TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC

20:21:30 ACCESS TO A LOCAL STREET NORTH MITCHELL AVENUE AND EAST

20:21:31 KAY STREET.

20:21:34 THE SECOND WAIVER TO REQUEST TO ALLOW A REDUCTION IN

20:21:37 WIDTH FROM 24 FEET TO 22 FEET.

20:21:41 THIRD WAIVER, REQUEST NORTH NEBRASKA SPECIAL STREET

20:21:45 SETBACK OF 54 FEET TO 42 FEET FOR ANY BUILDING OR

20:21:47 STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.

20:21:50 SPECIAL SETBACK LINE IS MEASURED FROM THE CENTER LINE

20:21:52 OF THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY.

20:21:55 THE FOURTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED

20:21:59 PARKING FROM 114 SPACES TO 96 SPACES.

20:22:02 THIS IS A 16% REDUCTION.

20:22:05 FIFTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED TO REQUEST TO REDUCE THE

20:22:09 REQUIRED 50% RETENTION FOR NONWOODED LOT OVER ONE ACRE

20:22:11 TO 19% RETENTION.

20:22:15 SIXTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED IS TO REQUEST TO REMOVE ONE

20:22:21 NONHAZARDOUS GRAND LAUREL OAK OF 33 INCHES DEVIATION

20:22:23 AND RATED C 6.

20:22:28 SEVENTH WAIVER, TO REQUEST TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED 350

20:22:33 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE PER UNIT TO 313 SQUARE FEET.

20:22:36 THE REDUCTION OF GREEN SPACE IS SUBJECT TO THE

20:22:41 LANDSCAPE IN LIEU FEES THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AT THE

20:22:43 TIME OF PERMITTING.

20:22:50 EIGHTH WAIVER, TO REQUEST THE 8-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER

20:22:54 TO ZERO FEET ALONG 3RD AVENUE.

20:22:56 I WILL COME TO THE AERIAL OF THE PARCEL YOU SEE

20:22:58 OUTLINED HERE IN RED.

20:23:03 NOW TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST, YOU WILL HAVE PD

20:23:04 ZONING.

20:23:07 AND THESE ARE OFFICE USES.

20:23:10 NOT NORTH, THE GTE BUILDING, AND TO THE WEST YOU WILL

20:23:13 HAVE THE FEEDING MINISTRIES BUILDING.

20:23:16 IF YOU COME HERE TO THE EAST, YOU WILL SEE A -- THE

20:23:21 LIBRARY, THE ROBERT SAUNDERS LABOR, WHICH IS ZONED CG.

20:23:23 AND ADD TO THE SOUTH, YOU WILL HAVE A CHURCH.

20:23:27 AND ALSO YOU WILL HAVE THE ENCORE RESIDENTIAL

20:23:30 MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS HERE TO THE SOUTH.

20:23:34 AND THOSE ARE ZONED RM-24.

20:23:38 NOW THE DEVELOPMENT IF WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN.

20:23:41 THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IS FOR 40 RESIDENTIAL

20:23:45 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND BUSINESS OFFICE USES.

20:23:50 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS A LOT AREA OF 155,70 8

20:23:51 SQUARE FEET.

20:23:55 AND LOCATED ALONG NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUES, NORTH

20:23:57 GOVERNOR STREET AND EAST KAY STREET.

20:24:01 THE PRESENT USE OF THE LAND IS VACANT AND ALSO

20:24:02 COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

20:24:08 THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL SPACE IS 6250 SQUARE FEET AND

20:24:15 PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SPACE IS 35,308 SQUARE FEET.

20:24:19 AS STATED IN THE WAIVERS, THE TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING

20:24:21 IS 114 SPACES.

20:24:23 AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 96.

20:24:28 SO ASKING FOR A WAIVER OF 16% REDUCTION.

20:24:32 VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE SITE OFF OF EAST KAY STREET.

20:24:35 AS I WENT ON THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE VACANT PORTION.

20:24:40 AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE THAT ROBERT SAUNDERS LIBRARY TO

20:24:44 THE NORTHEAST OF THE SITE.

20:24:47 AS YOU WILL SEE THE OFFICE SPACE FEEDING MINISTRIES TO

20:24:51 THE WEST.

20:24:54 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE THE ENCORE

20:24:59 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY BUILDING.

20:25:01 AND TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THE

20:25:08 LIBRARY AND ALSO COUNTY-OWNED SPACES.

20:25:10 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED

20:25:12 THE APPLICATION AND FINDS THE OVERALL REQUEST

20:25:15 INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT

20:25:18 CODE, THIS IS DUE TO THE PREPARATION PLANNING AND

20:25:19 NATURAL RESOURCES WAIVER.

20:25:22 MODIFICATION OF THE SITE PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BY THE

20:25:26 APPLICANT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING AS STATED ON

20:25:27 THE REVISION SHEET.

20:25:30 PLEASE BE AWARE EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES TO THE SITE

20:25:33 PLAN, THE CASE WILL STILL BE FOUND OVERALL

20:25:34 INCONSISTENT.

20:25:35 THANK YOU.

20:25:38 I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I HAVE MY

20:25:40 TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING STAFF AND NATURAL RESOURCES

20:25:43 STAFF ON STANDBY OPINION.

20:25:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?

20:26:03 ALL RIGHT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

20:26:05 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

20:26:09 MICHAEL MINCBERG, TAMPA, FLORIDA.

20:26:12 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

20:26:16 OUR COMPANY SITE DEVELOPMENT HAS PROUDLY BEEN BASED IN

20:26:20 YBOR FOR TEN YEARS AND ADDED VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY

20:26:23 WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION PROJECTS.

20:26:26 I WANT TO POINT OUT THE LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT IS

20:26:30 SANDWICHED BETWEEN THREE LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENTS.

20:26:36 THE GTE CREDIT UNION, GAS WORX AND ENCORE.

20:26:40 ENCORE AND GAS WORX HAVE BEEN PLANNED AS PRIMARILY

20:26:44 RENTAL DEVELOPMENTS, DIFFERENT FROM OURS WHICH IS

20:26:58 OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE HOMEOWNERSHIP.

20:27:05 THERE ARE SOME VERY IMPORTANT BENEFITS TO THIS PROJECT.

20:27:09 AS I MENTIONED IT CREATES A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY FOR

20:27:10 HOME OWNERSHIP.

20:27:15 VERY LITTLE HOME OWNERSHIP IN YBOR CITY WHICH IS AN

20:27:18 IMPORTANT PART TO THE WORK-PLAY NEIGHBORHOOD.

20:27:23 WE ARE REPOSITIONING A 100-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT IS IN

20:27:26 TERRIBLE SHAPE AND THIS IS NOT REQUIRED BUT BEING

20:27:29 ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT TO THE

20:27:32 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IMPORTANT TO THE CHARACTER OF

20:27:32 THE COMMUNITY AND TO US.

20:27:36 ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM

20:27:40 TO RETAIN THREE GRAND TREES AND HELP KEEP THE TREE

20:27:41 CANOPY.

20:27:45 LASTLY, THIS IMPROVES VACANT LAND THAT RIGHT NOW IS

20:27:48 NOT A SAFE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY AND CREATES CONNECTIVITY

20:27:56 BETWEEN THE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS CURRENTLY THERE.

20:28:00 THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE HARDSHIPS THAT CREATE A NEED FOR

20:28:01 A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HERE.

20:28:05 THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL, NARROW BLOCK.

20:28:08 AND WE ARE BEING PENALIZED FOR RETAINING THE

20:28:11 100-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE AND DEVELOPING A MIXED USE

20:28:12 PROJECT.

20:28:17 ONE OF THOSE QUIRKY ISSUES IN THE CODE OF COMP PLAN

20:28:20 ENCOURAGING MIXED USED WITHIN A CATEGORY.

20:28:22 THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED

20:28:26 THAT RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT TREES THAT WE HAVE WORKED

20:28:32 HARD TO DESIGN AROUND.

20:28:36 I WANT TO POINT OUT HOW CLOSE THIS IS TO THE YBOR

20:28:37 HISTORIC DISTRICT.

20:28:41 THAT RED LINE IS THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT LINE.

20:28:44 AND IF WE WERE WITHIN THERE, WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH MORE

20:28:51 LENIENT ZONING CODE AND REDUCE THE NEED FOR WAIVERS.

20:28:55 THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE 100-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT

20:28:59 SITS THERE TODAY.

20:29:01 AS YOU CAN SEE IT IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

20:29:05 AND TWO OF -- TWO OF OUR WAIVERS JUST TO POINT OUT

20:29:10 THERE, ONE IS GETTING VEHICULAR ACCESS ON THE

20:29:13 COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OF NEBRASKA IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

20:29:15 THE BUILDING TAKES ALL OF THAT UP.

20:29:18 AND SECONDLY, IT WOULD BE MEETING THE SETBACK.

20:29:20 THE BUILDING IS ALREADY THERE.

20:29:23 SO WE WOULD LOSE AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER OF THE

20:29:26 COMMUNITY TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND FRANKLY, IT

20:29:29 WOULD MAKE MORE ECONOMIC SENSE FOR ME TO TAKE THAT

20:29:29 BUILDING DOWN.

20:29:32 I COULD PUT SIX MORE UNITS THERE WHICH WILL MAKE MORE

20:29:35 MONEY, BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE PROJECT AND

20:29:40 TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

20:29:45 THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE

20:29:46 PROPERTY AT THE BOTTOM.

20:29:50 AND THEN A RENDERING OF WHAT WE PLAN TO DO TO REALLY

20:29:56 BRING IT BACK TO ITS -- IT'S ORIGINAL GLORY.


20:29:57 SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS AERIAL IS TO SHOW YOU HOW INITIALLY

20:29:59 NARROW THIS BLOCK IS.

20:30:01 IT'S REALLY A LEFTOVER PIECE OF THE GTE DEVELOPMENT THERE,

20:30:06 WHICH IS REALLY WHAT'S CREATED THIS HARDSHIP FOR US.

20:30:11 IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WIDTH OF THE BLOCK TO THE SOUTH.

20:30:14 IT JUST MAKES IT INCREDIBLY HARD TO DEVELOP IN THE COVID

20:30:21 ENVIRONMENT.

20:30:21 I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE CITY ALLOWED GTE TO VACATE

20:30:25 THIRD AVENUE HERE, AND TO DO ALL OF THAT LAND AND THIS ROAD

20:30:29 HERE WHERE IT'S MADE A PRIVATE ACCESS, SO IT LIMITED OUR

20:30:34 ACCESS ITEMS AGAIN CREATING A HARDSHIP ON THE DEVELOPMENT.

20:30:47 AS A LOCAL DEVELOPER WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE

20:30:50 YBOR RENAISSANCE AND I VALUE OUR COMMUNITY.

20:30:54 I WANT TO THE SAY THANK YOU AND HAND IT OVER TO OUR COUNSEL

20:30:57 MARK BENTLEY.

20:30:58 >> MARK BENTLEY: I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE AND FILE

20:31:03 LETTERS OF SUPPORT.




20:31:07 MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA 32602,

20:31:16 REPRESENTING SYKES DEVELOPMENT.

20:31:18 YOU KNOW, NOT WITHSTANDING THE OVERALL FINDING OF

20:31:20 INCONSISTENCY BY STAFF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT ON

20:31:25 PARAGRAPH 2 WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE CRITERIA FOR THE

20:31:29 PURPOSE OF THE PD, PROPOSED USE OF ZONING TO SINGLE-FAMILY

20:31:32 ATTACHED HOMES AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICES COMPATIBLE

20:31:34 WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND THEY IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE

20:31:38 USES.

20:31:38 SO THE REAL CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE THESE CODES IN

20:31:42 THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT ARE TYPICALLY USED OR USED OFTEN IN

20:31:47 LIKE A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT LIKE TAMPA PALMS OR HUNTER'S

20:31:50 GREEN WHERE THE CODE REQUIRES 350 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE

20:31:56 FOR A UNIT.

20:31:56 SO TO BUILD A BIG APARTMENT PROJECT LIKE HUNTER'S GREEN IS

20:32:00 NOT MUCH OF A CHALLENGE BUT WHEN YOU GET THESE SMALL LIKE

20:32:03 URBAN IN-FILL SITES AND TRY TO APPLY ALL THESE DIFFERENT

20:32:06 CODES, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THIS.

20:32:10 THAT'S WHERE THE WAIVERS COME IN. YOU WILL SEE NOT

20:32:12 WITHSTANDING THE NUMBER, WE REDUCED THOSE, AND YOU WILL

20:32:16 UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE, I THINK MIKE WAS TRYING TO TELL

20:32:19 YOU HERE.

20:32:20 THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO POINT OUT LIKE MIKE SAID, CAN WE GO

20:32:25 TO THE -- THERE WE ARE.

20:32:27 THIS IS THIRD AVENUE.




20:32:29 NEEDS TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WEST OVER TO GOVERNOR,

20:32:32 AND THAT ROAD IS GONE.

20:32:36 AND THIS BECAME PRIVATE ACCESS FOR GTE.

20:32:39 SO NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING A ROAD TO BUILD UP AGAINST, THE

20:32:43 ROAD HAS TO BE CREATED INTERNALLY TO THE PROJECT, OKAY?

20:32:48 SO THAT'S AN OBSTACLE THERE.

20:32:50 THAT JUST CREATES KIND OF A HARDSHIP.

20:32:53 NOW, THIS BUILDING MIKE HAD MENTIONED IS ROUGHLY 6,000

20:32:57 SQUARE FEET, AND THE WAY YOUR CODE IS, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S

20:33:03 NEBRASKA AVENUE SETBACK OF 54 FEET, OKAY, AND THAT WAS

20:33:07 ENACTED A LONG TIME AGO.

20:33:09 AND BUT THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT AT 42 FEET.

20:33:14 SO NOW WE NEED A WAIVER OF 12 FEET JUST TO MAINTAIN A SEMI

20:33:19 HISTORIC BUILDING.

20:33:20 AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT MIKE INTENDS TO DO WITH THE BUILDING.

20:33:24 I THINK HE SHOWED YOU THAT.

20:33:25 SO TO GET TO THIS BUILDING, AND HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, YOU

20:33:34 HAVE TO COME IN FROM A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

20:33:39 SO THERE'S ANOTHER WAIVER, OKAY?

20:33:42 SO THESE LITTLE THINGS START PILING UP.

20:33:44 NOT WITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THESE ARE LEGAL

20:33:47 NONCONFORMITIES, AND NOW WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING -- AND

20:33:54 THE RATIO WAS HIGHER THE LAST TIME AROUND, BUT AS OF THE

20:33:59 LAST TWO DAYS WE HAVE WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY WHERE THE

20:34:02 CITY SAID PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, BUSINESS OFFICE, ONLY HAS A




20:34:05 RATIO OF ONE SPACE PER THOUSAND.

20:34:08 SO THE OVERALL PROJECT, MIKE COULD HAVE BUILT 214 UNITS HERE

20:34:12 AND HE'S BUILDING 40 PLUS [DISTORTION] -- PARKING REQUIRED

20:34:20 IS 90 FOR RESIDENTIAL AND SIX SPACES FOR THIS BUILDING, THE

20:34:25 OLD BUILDING.

20:34:26 SO WE HAVE 96 SPACES ON-SITE.

20:34:30 WE DON'T NEED A PARKING WAIVER ANYMORE.

20:34:32 THAT WAIVER IS GONE, OKAY.

20:34:35 AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT TO COUNCIL THAT THIS IS

20:34:41 PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY I'M POINTING TO, SO YOU CAN SEE IT.

20:34:46 THERE YOU GO.

20:34:47 AND THERE'S TEN SPACES HERE.

20:34:48 THOSE ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WE CAN'T COUNT

20:34:50 THOSE TOWARD OUR REQUIRED PARKING UNDER THE CODE, OKAY.

20:34:54 BUT REALISTICALLY, WHO IS GOING TO USE THOSE TEN SPACES.

20:34:59 NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER 10.

20:35:01 NOW WE HAVE 116 SPACES.

20:35:03 SO PARKING REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE.

20:35:05 NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THESE OTHER WAIVERS, THERE IS A

20:35:10 REQUIREMENT FOR OPEN SPACES, 350 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, AND

20:35:15 WE ARE PROVIDING 313.

20:35:17 LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE HAD 304.

20:35:20 NOW WE ARE UP TO 90%, WHICH IS PRETTY DARN GOOD FOR AN URBAN

20:35:25 IN-FILL PROJECT.

20:35:26 AND THEN I WILL TELL YOU HOW WE OFFSET THAT.




20:35:30 ALSO, WE ARE SAVING THREE GRAND TREES SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A

20:35:34 CREDIT IN THE CREDIT BANK, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR A

20:35:38 PROJECT BEING PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.

20:35:41 ALSO, WITH THE SHORTAGE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN TERMS OF

20:35:44 THE GREEN SPACE, THE 313 VERSUS HE, WE ARE PAYING A FEE IN

20:35:52 LIEU TO THE CITY'S FUND.

20:35:54 WE ALSO SEE THE 20% DUA BY PROVIDING 6,120 SQUARE FEET WHEN

20:36:01 ONLY 3900 SQUARE FEET ARE REQUIRED.

20:36:04 SO WE ARE PROVIDING 2200 MORE SQUARE FEET OF VEHICULAR USE

20:36:09 AREA AT 35%, MORE THAN REQUIRED BY THE CODE, SO THAT 2,000

20:36:16 OFFSETS THE, I GUESS, ROUGHLY 2,000 OR 1800 WE ARE SHORT ON

20:36:21 THE OVERALL GREEN SPACE.

20:36:23 SO I THINK BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITUATION, THAT

20:36:30 OFFSETS THAT.

20:36:32 I SPOKE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF ST. PETER CLAVER YESTERDAY AND

20:36:41 SHE HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH IT. WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM

20:36:42 THE COMMUNITY.

20:36:43 AS MIKE MENTIONED WE ARE JUST ON THE FRINGE OF THE HISTORIC

20:36:46 DISTRICT.

20:36:46 WE HAD SENT IT OVER TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO TAKE A LOOK

20:36:52 AT IT AND THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS, AND ACTUALLY THEY ARE VERY

20:36:55 ENTHUSED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO STEP UP

20:37:00 TO THE PLATE AND REHAB ONE OF THESE OLD BUILDINGS WITHOUT

20:37:03 SOMEONE PUTTING A GUN TO HIS HEAD.

20:37:05 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MIKE DOES IN YBOR CITY.




20:37:07 IF YOU HAVE SEEN ANY OF THINKS PROJECTS.

20:37:09 SO I THINK WE WHITTLED DOWN THE WAIVERS TO THE EXTENT WE

20:37:13 REASONABLY COULD.

20:37:14 I THINK THERE'S A HARDSHIP HERE, UNIQUENESS OF THE PROPERTY.

20:37:17 AND THESE ARE THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT I THINK THE CITY IS

20:37:20 REALLY -- IT CREATES A LOT OF DIVERSITY.

20:37:23 AND UNLIKE THAT BIG MAP THAT MIKE SHOWS YOU WITH GAS WORX

20:37:27 AND EVERYTHING, THESE ARE FEE SIMPLE HOMES.

20:37:30 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO OWN THEIR HOME HERE.

20:37:33 MOST OF THOSE YOU SEE ARE RENTAL PROJECTS, THOSE BIG

20:37:36 PROJECTS IN YBOR CITY.

20:37:37 SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO THE PROJECT AS

20:37:41 WELL.

20:37:41 SO WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN.

20:37:43 WE KEPT THE DENSITY DOWN.

20:37:45 WE DIDN'T TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

20:37:48 SOME OF THESE WAIVERS SEEM A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, THE CODE

20:37:52 IS WHAT IT IS, BUT TELLING US WE NEED A WAIVER OF STREET

20:37:57 SETBACKS WHEN THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN THERE FOR 96 YEARS, YOU

20:38:00 KNOW, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAD TO CHANGE YOUR CODE AFTER THAT

20:38:05 BUILDING WAS THERE, MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THESE GUYS ARE

20:38:07 COMING IN ASKING FOR THE WORLD HERE, BUT REALLY AS YOU CAN

20:38:10 SEE THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

20:38:11 SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL GLADLY ATTEMPT TO

20:38:14 ANSWER THEM.




20:38:15 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

20:38:16 I APPRECIATE IT.

20:38:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS OF MR. BENTLEY?

20:38:22 >>BILL CARLSON: DID YOU SHOW ELEVATIONS BESIDES THE

20:38:24 HISTORIC BUILDING?

20:38:25 >> ZAIN HAS THEM.

20:38:31 I HAVE GOT THEM IN THE FILE.

20:38:36 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S OKAY, THANK YOU.

20:38:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE]

20:39:00 ON NEBRASKA AVENUE, ALL THE BIG HOUSES ON NEBRASKA, AND --

20:39:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE FUNERAL HOME.

20:39:14 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]

20:39:47 >> IT'S PRETTY BARE BONES AS YOU SEE HERE, THREE STORY.

20:39:52 >> THE ARCHITECTURE, MORE MONOLITHIC, STOREFRONT, THINGS OF

20:40:02 THAT NATURE.

20:40:03 >>MARK BENTLEY: COLUMNS AND LIKE SEVENTH AVENUE.

20:40:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. BENTLEY?

20:40:14 ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC?

20:40:20 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

20:40:22 ANYONE REGISTERED?

20:40:23 >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

20:40:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE?

20:40:28 MOVED BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

20:40:30 ALL IN FAVOR?

20:40:31 OPPOSED?




20:40:33 WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?

20:40:38 MR. MIRANDA?

20:40:42 >>LUIS VIERA: DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT, SIR?

20:40:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL GO TO MR. MIRANDA.

20:40:47 YOU TAKE THE NEXT ONE.

20:40:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE 6, REZ 21-115, MOVE AN ORDINANCE

20:40:55 BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN

20:40:57 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1502

20:41:01 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE, AND 1218, 1302, 1304, 1306, 130,

20:41:08 1310, 1312, 1314 EAST KAY STREET, AND 801, 803, 085, 807,

20:41:16 809 AND 811 EAST THIRD AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA

20:41:21 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING

20:41:23 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, AND

20:41:28 YC-5 YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, TO PD, PLANNED

20:41:34 DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND

20:41:37 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

20:41:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

20:41:43 ROLL CALL.

20:41:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.

20:41:49 THE REVISION SHEET, PLEASE?

20:41:52 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

20:41:55 CAN YOU SEE ME?

20:41:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, WE CAN'T YET.

20:42:00 NOT ON SCREEN.

20:42:01 IF WE CAN GO TO THE MONITORS.




20:42:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE COULD ASK THE CTTV TO SWITCH OVER TO

20:42:10 BE ABLE TO SEE YOU.

20:42:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE HE IS.

20:42:13 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

20:42:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

20:42:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

20:42:18 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

20:42:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

20:42:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

20:42:21 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

20:42:23 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21, 2022

20:42:30 AT 930 A.M.

20:42:31 >> BILL CARLSON: ON ITEM NUMBER 7, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF.

20:42:36 AND I WOULD LIKE TO WITH PERMISSION MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT

20:42:40 MY FORM AB, THE NATURE OF MY CONFLICT IS THAT THE COMPANY BY

20:42:45 WHOM I AM RETAINED DOES BUSINESS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD IN

20:42:48 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ON MATTERS NOT RELATED TO THIS

20:42:50 APPLICATION.

20:42:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

20:42:59 MR. MIRANDA.

20:43:00 ALL IN FAVOR?

20:43:01 OPPOSED?

20:43:02 MOTION GRANTED.

20:43:02 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: NUMBER 7, SU-2-21-03, A REQUEST FOR A

20:43:17 SPECIAL USE 2 FOR A SCHOOL AT A LOCATION 4210 WEST BAY VILLA




20:43:23 AVENUE.

20:43:24 I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING

20:43:26 COMMISSION.

20:43:27 >>JENNIFER MALONE: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

20:43:29 JENNIFER MALONE AGAIN WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.

20:43:32 THIS IS SU-2-21-03, SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.

20:43:37 , AND HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

20:43:42 IT'S LOCATED EAST OF SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE.

20:43:47 THERE'S COMMERCIAL USES LOCATED ALONG SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE

20:43:50 BUT THE PREDOMINANT PATTERN IN THIS AREA IS SINGLE-FAMILY

20:43:53 DETACHED.

20:43:55 YOU WILL SEE THAT REFLECTED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR

20:44:01 MIXED USE 35 ALONG SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE WHERE THE

20:44:04 COMMERCIAL USES ARE AND THEN RESIDENTIAL 10 IN THE

20:44:06 NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED ARE LOCATED.

20:44:10 THE SUBJECT SITE ITSELF HAS LAND USE OF PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC.

20:44:14 THE PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC DESIGNATION DOES NOT HAVE DENSITY OR

20:44:18 INTENSITY.

20:44:19 INSTEAD IT IS GUIDED BY THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

20:44:22 WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REVIEWED THIS REQUEST,

20:44:26 TOOK A SAMPLE OF OTHER COMMERCIAL AND PUBLIC USES IN THE

20:44:29 AREA, AND DETERMINED THE AVERAGE WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA

20:44:34 TO SEE IF IT'S COMPATIBLE.

20:44:37 SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN F.A.R. OF 0.26, AND THEN

20:44:43 THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOUND THAT SEVEN SAMPLE SITES IN




20:44:50 THE SAME AREA WERE NOT RESIDENTIAL USES DEVELOPED F.A.R. OF

20:44:55 0.17.

20:44:57 BUT DID FIND THE 0.26 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING

20:45:03 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO ENCOURAGES THE

20:45:05 PLACEMENT OF SCHOOLS AND OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES IN

20:45:08 NEIGHBORHOODS TO SERVE AS COMMUNITY LOCAL POINTS,

20:45:13 DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN, AND STANDARD TO ENSURE THAT IT'S

20:45:17 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PATTERN.

20:45:20 SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH

20:45:22 THE POLICY, AND WE FOUND THAT THE SCHOOL WAS PROVIDING THE

20:45:27 BUFFERING REQUIRED, AND SCREENING RESIDENTIAL USES

20:45:34 CONSISTENT WITH THIS POLICY.

20:45:35 SO GIVEN THE DESIGN FEATURES, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF

20:45:38 FINDS THE REQUEST WILL BE DEVELOPED IN A MANNER THAT IS

20:45:42 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONSISTENT

20:45:44 WITH THE UNDERLYING PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC LAND USE DESIGNATION.

20:45:50 I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

20:45:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS OF MS. MALONE?

20:45:54 ALL RIGHT.

20:45:55 SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO BACK TO ZAIN.

20:45:57 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

20:46:00 CAN CASE SU-2-21-03.

20:46:03 THE APPLICANT IS THE SCHOOL BOARD OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,

20:46:06 REPRESENTED BY JULIA MANDELL, AT A LOCATION 4210 WEST BAY

20:46:11 VILLA AVENUE.




20:46:15 CURRENTLY ZONED RS 60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND PROPOSED

20:46:18 TO A SPECIAL USE OF A SCHOOL.

20:46:21 ONE WAIVER BEING REQUESTED.

20:46:24 SECTION 27-132 SAYS TO ALLOW ACCESS TO LOCAL STREETS, SOUTH

20:46:30 COOLIDGE AVENUE, WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE AND SOUTH LOIS

20:46:34 AVENUE, IS THE ONE WAIVER REQUESTED.

20:46:38 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A

20:46:41 MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 50 FEET WHICH IS SURPASSING THE HEIGHT OF

20:46:45 RM 60, BUT THEY DON'T NEED A WAIVER FOR THIS AS PER SECTION

20:46:51 27-132-F WHICH STATES A SCHOOL MAY BE CONSTRUCTED IN EXCESS

20:46:55 OF THE HEIGHT LIMITATION OF THE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS

20:46:58 LOCATED PROVIDED THE APPLICANT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THE

20:47:01 HEIGHT OF THE SCHOOL DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ADJOINING

20:47:05 AND NEARBY PROPERTIES. IN DETERMINING WHETHER HEIGHT HAS AN

20:47:07 ADVERSE EFFECT IN THE RELATION TO THE SCHOOL OF THE

20:47:10 SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDING YARD, BUSINESS ON THE

20:47:12 STREETS AND BUSINESS FROM EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS AND

20:47:16 OTHER STRUCTURES SHALL BE CONSIDERED.

20:47:20 SPECIAL CONDITIONS MAY ALSO BE ESTABLISHED TO ENSURE THE

20:47:23 COMPATIBILITY OF THE HEIGHT OF THE SCHOOL WITH THE

20:47:25 SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

20:47:27 AND THAT'S FROM 27-132-F OF THE ZONING CODE.

20:47:32 UPON THAT STAFF FINDS DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AS

20:47:36 THE SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, AS I WILL SHOW YOU ON

20:47:39 THE SITE PLAN.




20:47:42 MOVING TO THE OVERHEAD AERIAL YOU WILL SEE THE PROPERTY HERE

20:47:45 OUTLINED IN RED, CROSSING WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE, SOUTH

20:47:50 COOLIDGE AVENUE AND ALSO SOUTH LOIS AVENUE.

20:47:56 THE LOT HAS APPROXIMATELY 563,832 SQUARE FEET, OR 12.944

20:48:02 ACRES.

20:48:05 THE PROPOSED STUDENT POPULATION IS APPROXIMATELY 1800

20:48:08 STUDENTS WITH 120 STAFF MEMBERS.

20:48:10 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE FIVE BUILDINGS FOR A

20:48:13 TOTAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 151,433 SQUARE FEET.

20:48:20 NOW, ABUTTING THE SCHOOL IS RESIDENTIAL 60 TO THE NORTH, TO

20:48:27 THE EAST, AND TO THE SOUTH.

20:48:31 TO THE WEST, YOU WILL HAVE A YOUTH CENTER HERE CALLED THE

20:48:38 PREP AND ALSO YOU WILL HAVE A LIBRARY HERE, ALSO TO THE

20:48:41 WEST.

20:48:42 THAT IS THE JAN PLATT LIBRARY.

20:48:45 THE PROPOSED REQUEST REQUIRES 135 PARKING SPACES.

20:48:51 YOU SEE THE OVERHEAD.

20:48:53 135 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND A TOTAL OF 151 PARKING

20:48:58 SPACES ARE BEING PROVIDED.

20:49:03 AS WE LOOK AT THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.

20:49:13 AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, CURRENTLY USED FOR

20:49:19 ONLY STAFF ONLY FOR EDUCATIONAL EXERCISES.

20:49:25 YOU SEE THE SITE.

20:49:27 ALSO TO THE SOUTH.

20:49:28 AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN YOU WILL SEE THE PREP.




20:49:31 AND ALSO IF YOU LOOK YOU WILL SEE THE JAN PLATT LIBRARY TO

20:49:36 THE WEST OF THE SITE.

20:49:38 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE AND NORTH OF THE SITE YOU WILL SEE

20:49:40 THAT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.

20:49:43 ALSO TO THE EAST OF THE SITE AND NORTHEAST OF THE SITE YOU

20:49:45 HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ALONG THE STREET.

20:49:51 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE

20:49:53 APPLICATION AND FINDS THE OVERALL REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH

20:49:55 THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

20:49:58 MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BETWEEN

20:50:00 FIRST AND SECOND READING, IF APPROVED ON THE REVISION SHEET.

20:50:07 HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.

20:50:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ZAIN, WHAT SCHOOL IS THERE NOW?

20:50:11 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: RIGHT NOW, IT IS A TRAINING FACILITY CALLED

20:50:15 THE MANHATTAN CENTER.

20:50:17 IT'S RESEARCH FROM OUR SIDE JUST A TRAINING FACILITY FOR

20:50:23 STAFF MEMBERS ONLY.

20:50:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?

20:50:30 ALL RIGHT.

20:50:31 MS. MANDELL?

20:50:32 >>JULIA MANDELL: GOOD EVENING.

20:50:37 JULIA MANDELL, GRAY ROBINSON.

20:50:40 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.

20:50:42 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.

20:50:44 WITH ME IS RENE CAMDEN, THE MANAGER OF PLANNING WITH THE




20:50:48 SCHOOL DISTRICT.

20:50:49 SHE IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.

20:50:51 AND SHE'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

20:50:55 I THINK ZAIN DID A NICE JOB EXPLAINING WHAT THE PROJECT IS,

20:51:00 AND IT USED TO BE A SCHOOL BUT NOW SERVING AS AN

20:51:04 ADMINISTRATOR BUILDING FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, THEY ARE

20:51:07 REDEVELOPING THIS SITE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE K-8 SCHOOL IN

20:51:11 THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE WE ARE GETTING TO A PLACE WHERE

20:51:14 SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT TAMPA ARE

20:51:18 STARTING TO HAVE SOME CROWDING PROBLEMS, AND THIS WAS ALWAYS

20:51:22 INTENDED TO BE AND WAS TO CREATE A NEW SCHOOL IN THIS

20:51:27 LOCATION.

20:51:29 AS ZAIN SAID, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES, JUST UNDER 13

20:51:33 ACRES RIGHT NOW.

20:51:34 AS I SAID IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.

20:51:36 THERE'S ALSO SOME FIELDS THAT ARE USED BY, I THINK, IT'S

20:51:40 TAMPA PREP FOR THE PURPOSE OF THEIR SPORTS ACTIVITIES.

20:51:45 WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING REGARDING THIS SCHOOL.

20:51:48 I DID NOT ATTEND IT BUT RENE DID, AND FROM WHAT OUR

20:51:51 CONVERSATION WAS, IT SEEMED THERE WAS AN OVERALL POSITIVE TO

20:51:56 DEVELOP IN THIS WAY, AS A SCHOOL IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

20:51:59 SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT DID COME UP FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND

20:52:01 IS RELATED TO SIDEWALKS, AND WE ARE PROVIDING SIDEWALKS ON

20:52:05 ALL FOUR CORNERS OF THE SITE.

20:52:07 THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSIONS REGARDING




20:52:10 STORMWATER IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

20:52:13 AS WE ARE REQUIRED TO, MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR STORMWATER

20:52:16 ON-SITE.

20:52:18 WE ARE PUTTING IN BOX CULVERTS AND DOING OTHER IMPROVEMENTS

20:52:21 IN ORDER TO ENSURE STORMWATER NEEDS ARE MET.

20:52:24 HOWEVER THERE, HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY THAT

20:52:27 ARE ONGOING, NOTHING HAS BEEN FINALIZED, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE

20:52:30 TO ALSO USE OUR SITE AND USE SOME OF OUR FACILITIES FOR A

20:52:35 BIGGER STORMWATER PROJECT IN THE AREA.

20:52:37 IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOU BUT I JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW

20:52:39 THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE OCCURRING.

20:52:43 IN ADDITION, THERE ARE SOME SPORTS FIELDS ON THERE.

20:52:46 AS OF NOW, ALL LIGHTING FOR ANY FUTURE SPORTS FIELDS WILL BE

20:52:52 DIRECTED INWARD, AND WILL BE SHIELDED.

20:52:55 THERE WILL ALSO BE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AROUND IN PROXIMITY TO

20:53:00 THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT EXIST NOW, SINGLE-FAMILY

20:53:03 RESIDENTIAL, AND WILL HELP TO BUFFER THIS.

20:53:06 WE REALLY DO THINK THIS IS A GOOD AMENITY FOR THE

20:53:08 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT HELPS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING

20:53:13 SCHOOLS FOR THE INFLUX OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING

20:53:17 THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA.

20:53:21 THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE

20:53:25 WAIVERS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO LOCATE YOUR SCHOOLS PER CODE ON

20:53:30 COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROADWAYS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE WITHIN

20:53:33 YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE INTEREST IN HAVING SCHOOLS IN




20:53:37 NEIGHBORHOODS SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO ALLOW ACCESS

20:53:40 ONTO LOCAL ROADS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IN THIS CASE, THAT'S WHERE

20:53:44 YOU WANT YOUR SCHOOLS, K-8 SCHOOLS, SO YOU CAN HAVE

20:53:48 OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL, AND BE NOT ON LARGER

20:53:52 ROADWAYS.

20:53:53 ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL MENTION, ALL OF OUR QUEUING WILL BE

20:53:57 ON-SITE, AND I HAVE KIDS, I HAVE BEEN IN QUEUE LINES, AND IT

20:54:04 IS DEFINITELY BETTER TO GET OFF THE ROADWAY.

20:54:07 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

20:54:09 I DON'T KNOW IF RENE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

20:54:12 BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY PRESENTATION FOR THIS TIME.

20:54:15 THANK YOU.

20:54:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. MANDELL?

20:54:19 SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

20:54:22 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE ONE, JEAN STROHMEYER.

20:54:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE WE GOT JEAN THERE?

20:54:55 (LOST AUDIO).

20:55:11 >>LUIS VIERA:IS MY PLEASURE TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE -- THANK

20:55:14 YOU, SIR.

20:55:15 MY PLEASURE TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST

20:55:17 READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE

20:55:21 PERMIT S-2 APPROVING SCHOOL IN AN RS-50 RESIDENTIAL

20:55:25 SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF

20:55:28 4210 WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,

20:55:33 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 THEREOF




20:55:36 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

20:55:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

20:55:39 ROLL CALL.

20:55:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

20:55:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

20:55:41 >>BILL CARLSON:

20:55:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

20:55:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

20:55:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

20:55:50 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.

20:55:52 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,

20:55:56 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.

20:55:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 8, ZAIN.

20:56:01 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, NUMBER 8, AB

20:56:06 2-22-505, REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE 2 FOR SMALL VENUE BEER,

20:56:11 WINE AND LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES

20:56:15 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.

20:56:17 GENERALLY LOCATED AT 520 EAST FLORIBRASKA AVENUE.

20:56:21 CAN I PLEASE HAVE CONTROL OF THE SCREEN?

20:56:23 >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE CONTROL, ZAIN.

20:56:32 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THANKS.

20:56:34 CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN?

20:56:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOT YET, ZAIN.

20:56:37 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: HOW ABOUT NOW?

20:56:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, SIR.




20:56:57 WE GOT IT.

20:56:58 BLOW IT UP.

20:56:58 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THANKS SO MUCH.

20:57:01 ALL RIGHT.

20:57:02 THE APPLICANT IS KING STATE COFFEE LLC REPRESENTED BY TYLER

20:57:07 HUDSON.

20:57:09 THERE IS AN ACTIVE AB SALES, AB 2-18-07, FOR SMALL VENUE

20:57:15 BEER AND WINE.

20:57:16 NOW, THE PROPOSED AB SALES IS AB 2-22-50 WHICH WILL BE A

20:57:22 SMALL VENUE BEER, WINE AND ADDITIONAL LIQUOR.

20:57:25 THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE AB SALES WILL BE THE SAME, 1,696

20:57:30 SQUARE FEET INDOORS, 941 SQUARE FEET OUTDOORS FOR A TOTAL OF

20:57:35 2,637 SQUARE FEET.

20:57:38 THE PARKING PROVIDED IS 27 PARKING SPACES.

20:57:41 THIS WAS APPROVED IN AB 2-18-07.

20:57:45 WHICH GOES FROM 33 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED TO 27.

20:57:49 SO THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST.

20:57:52 FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION, HOURS OF OPERATION, THE

20:57:55 APPLICANT TOLD ME THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE HOURS OF

20:58:00 OPERATION THE SAME AS IT CURRENTLY IS, SO SALES BEING

20:58:04 CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14, THEY ARE REQUESTING FROM 7 A.M.

20:58:07 TO 1 A.M. SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK.

20:58:11 NO ALCOHOL SALES WILL BE DONE PRIOR TO 11 A.M. ON SUNDAYS

20:58:14 AND CLOSING TIME EXTENDED TO 2 A.M. SIX TIMES PER CALENDAR

20:58:20 YEAR.




20:58:20 THE APPLICANT IS TO NOTIFY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OF THE

20:58:23 PROPOSED DATES IN WRITING ANNUAL BY JANUARY 15th OF EACH

20:58:27 YEAR.

20:58:28 SO CHANGES MUST BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING ON

20:58:32 THE SALES HOURS.

20:58:34 THERE ARE NO WAIVERS BEING REQUESTED HERE, AND NO AB SALES

20:58:39 ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN 250 FEET.

20:58:43 IF YOU COME OVER HERE TO THE AERIAL VIEW, YOU WILL SEE THE

20:58:46 SITE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.

20:58:50 NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE RESIDENTIAL

20:58:54 SURROUNDING THE SITE, AS WELL AS 275 RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH

20:58:59 OVER TO THE EAST.

20:59:04 IF WE GO TO THE OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN, YOU WILL SEE

20:59:08 WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS.

20:59:09 THE PARKING.

20:59:11 AND THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING THE PARCEL.

20:59:16 EAST FLORIBRASKA, IS WHERE ACCESS TO THE SITE IS.

20:59:22 AND YOU SEE THE ELEVATIONS TO THE SITE.

20:59:26 AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

20:59:28 AND WEPT OUT TO THE SITE, GOT MORE ADDITIONAL PICTURES OF

20:59:32 THE SITE.

20:59:33 YOU WILL SEE THE STRUCTURE.

20:59:35 YOU WILL SEE THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

20:59:38 YOU WILL SEE THE SITE.

20:59:39 YOU WILL SEE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU HAVE 275 RUNNING UP AND




20:59:42 DOWN.

20:59:44 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

20:59:47 AND TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, OVER THE FENCE YOU WILL SEE

20:59:52 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

20:59:56 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED

20:59:59 THIS APPLICATION AND FINDS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF

21:00:01 TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.

21:00:03 NOW, CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN ARE NEEDED BETWEEN FIRST

21:00:07 AND SECOND READING.

21:00:09 ANYTHING ELSE?

21:00:09 HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

21:00:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ZAIN, YOU SAID THERE IS NO ALCOHOL BEING

21:00:15 SERVED WITHIN 250 FEET AT THE SITE?

21:00:17 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: CORRECT.

21:00:23 THERE IS AB SALES ESTABLISHMENT TO THE WEST, BUT NOT WITHIN

21:00:34 250 FEET.

21:00:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW, BUT -- OKAY.

21:00:37 ALL RIGHT.

21:00:38 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THEY ARE BEYOND 250 FEET.

21:00:48 DISTANCE SEPARATION.

21:00:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: REALLY?

21:00:54 HMMM.

21:00:55 OKAY.

21:00:55 ALL RIGHT.

21:00:56 ANY QUESTIONS OF ZAIN?




21:01:02 THE APPLICANT.

21:01:02 >> TYLER HUDSON, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE.

21:01:07 IF I CAN USE THE SCREEN HERE.

21:01:50 CAN YOU SEE THAT?

21:01:51 ALL RIGHT.

21:01:55 I LIVE THREE BLOCKS AWAY, AND MY KIDS -- WE WANT TO MAKE A

21:02:01 VERY SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE WET ZONING.

21:02:03 ZAIN DID A GREAT JOB RUNNING THROUGH WHAT'S ALREADY APPROVED

21:02:06 AND THE VERY MINOR CHANGE WE ARE MAKING. I WANT TO

21:02:09 EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS.

21:02:11 IT'S RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF FLORIBRASKA AND 275 IN THE

21:02:15 HEIGHT OF -- HEART OF TAMPA HEIGHTS.

21:02:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOUR NAME.

21:02:23 >>TYLER HUDSON: I THOUGHT I DID THAT AT THE BEGINNING.

21:02:25 TYLER HUDSON, 400 ASHLEY.

21:02:33 TO SERVE SPECIALTY COCKTAIL.

21:02:37 WE CAN SELL UNLIMITED AMOUNTS OF BEER AND WINE ALONG WITH

21:02:41 THE COFFEE WHICH IS A BIG SELLER.

21:02:45 WHAT'S WORTH NOTING, IN TAMPA HEIGHTS, AS THE FOOD AND

21:02:52 BEVERAGE PROGRAM EVOLVED, THEY ARE SERVING NONALCOHOLIC

21:03:02 BEVERAGES, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVE BEER, WINE

21:03:06 AND LIQUOR AS WELL.

21:03:07 THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR HERE.

21:03:11 WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY WAIVERS.

21:03:13 NO CHANGE IN OPERATING HOURS.




21:03:15 THAT IS A CHANGE WE WILL MAKE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND

21:03:17 READING.

21:03:18 THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW INCORRECTLY HAS CHAPTER

21:03:21 14 HOURS.

21:03:22 THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT.

21:03:23 ALSO ON AMPLIFIED SOUND, THERE WAS A RESTRICTION IN THE

21:03:26 ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.

21:03:27 IT'S IN THE CURRENT SITE PLAN THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT IN ONE

21:03:31 SECOND.

21:03:32 YOU SEE THE OPERATING HOURS, 7 TO 1, NO ALCOHOL SALES BEFORE

21:03:36 11, SIX TIMES A YEAR TO EXTEND ONE HOUR.

21:03:41 ON NOISE, THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT IS, AND NO AMPLIFIED

21:03:48 SOUND AFTER 10 P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND AFTER

21:03:52 11 P.M. ON WEEKENDS.

21:03:54 THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

21:04:01 IT'S AN EXCELLENT NEIGHBOR AND HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE CIVIC

21:04:03 ASSOCIATION.

21:04:04 AS EVIDENCE OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

21:04:08 THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT CHANGING.

21:04:10 VERY PROUD TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC

21:04:13 ASSOCIATION.

21:04:15 THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS SUPPORT IN THE RECORD AS WELL.

21:04:19 I WILL ADMIT WHEN I READ THE LETTERS TODAY, ONE NAME STOOD

21:04:23 OUT BECAUSE IT'S MY WIFE'S NAME, AND OUR ADDRESS, SO I HOPE

21:04:29 YOU DON'T PUT TOO MUCH INTO HER LETTER, BUT DON'T TELL HER I




21:04:34 SAID THAT.

21:04:40 THAT IS MY HOUSE THAT'S IN THAT LETTER.

21:04:43 WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

21:04:46 WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT HERE, BUT I WILL KEEP IT VERY BRIEF.

21:04:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS FOOD.

21:04:57 >>TYLER HUDSON: GOOD FOOD, GOOD FOOD.

21:05:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW THAT AREA, MY OFFICE WAS RIGHT

21:05:10 ACROSS THE STREET.

21:05:16 >>TYLER HUDSON: THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FLORIBRASKA?

21:05:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY OFFICE WAS THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

21:05:23 AND CARS WOULD GO THERE ALL THE TIME, GOING ACROSS THE

21:05:27 STREET, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT, AND OLD GAS

21:05:34 STATION.

21:05:38 THE AREA HAS CHANGED, BUT ABLE TO DEMOLISH THAT EYESORE A

21:05:43 COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WHERE THE HOMELESS POPULATION, TALK ABOUT

21:05:48 BEER AND WINE AND LIQUOR.

21:05:50 AND WE HAD A HANG-OUT SPOT, AND LIQUOR.

21:06:01 I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF HAVING LIQUOR STORES IN COMMUNITY,

21:06:05 BUT YOU CAN TELL ME, IS IT A PACKAGE STORE?

21:06:11 GIVE ME AN IDEA.

21:06:12 >>TYLER HUDSON: SURE.

21:06:15 THERE'S THE LOCAL CITY COMPANION, SPECIAL USE WHICH STAY WAS

21:06:20 THE LAND AND THEN THERE'S THE STATE, YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK THAT

21:06:23 WET ZONING WITH A STATE LICENSE, SO RIGHT NOW, ON PREMISES

21:06:32 AND OFF-PREMISES BEER AN WINE.




21:06:35 YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A COCKTAIL.

21:06:37 THERE'S NO STATE LICENSE FOR GETTING -- WE ARE GETTING TO

21:06:42 SALE LIQUOR TO GO.

21:06:44 UNDER STATE LAW, BECAUSE WITH COVID THERE IS AN ABILITY FOR

21:06:47 SPECIAL RESTAURANTS IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES TO DO THIS.

21:06:50 THE COCKTAIL TODAY AND IT WAS REALLY POPULAR DURING COVID,

21:06:53 BUT IS NOTE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A PACKAGE STORE FOR

21:06:57 LIQUOR.

21:06:58 THEY DO THEIR OWN BEER, COFFEE, THEY WORK WITH NATURAL WINE

21:07:03 PRODUCTS.

21:07:03 THE BEER AND WINE IS GOING TO BE SOLD TOGETHER TO GO BUT YOU

21:07:06 CAN'T BUY A BOTTLE OF VODKA AND WALK OUT THE DOOR.

21:07:09 THERE'S NO INTENT TO DO THAT.

21:07:11 THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET A LICENSE TO DO THAT.

21:07:14 THEY DON'T HAVE SPACE ON THE FLOOR REALLY TO DO ANY MORE

21:07:18 BOTTLES.

21:07:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW THE AREA.

21:07:26 THE INTERSTATE, AND --

21:07:31 >>TYLER HUDSON: I THINK THEY ARE OPERATING -- THE MARKET

21:07:36 FOR EXAMPLE DOWN THE ROAD, AND THIS IS A FAMILY PLACE, A

21:07:39 PLACE TO ENJOY COFFEE, DRINK NONALCOHOLIC OPTIONS, GIVEN THE

21:07:45 TYPE OF WET ZONING THAT THEY HAVE, THEY CAN'T SELL MORE THAN

21:07:50 51 OR 49% OF THEIR REVENUE WITH NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, SO

21:07:55 THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT RESTRICTION AND ARE GOING

21:07:59 TO ABIDE BY THAT.




21:08:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.

21:08:04 MR. HUDSON, PLEASE, RUN THAT BY ME AGAIN.

21:08:07 YOU ARE ASKING FOR A PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION,

21:08:14 BUT YOU JUST SAID YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE USING IT FOR THAT?

21:08:17 >>TYLER HUDSON: YES, I BELIEVE IT'S AN APS LICENSE.

21:08:22 WE HAVE A 2COP FROM THE STATE WHICH IS A 2 BEER AND WINE COP

21:08:28 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES.

21:08:29 WE WOULD BE CHANGING THAT TO GET A 4(COP) FOR A SPECIAL

21:08:31 RESTAURANT.

21:08:32 AGAIN, THAT HAS A LIMITATION.

21:08:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET ME INTERRUPT YOU.

21:08:38 THAT'S JUST FOR SALE OF HARD LIQUOR ON PREMISES.

21:08:41 >>TYLER HUDSON: CORRECT.

21:08:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR OFF-PREMISES SALE?

21:08:47 >>TYLER HUDSON: BECAUSE WE DO SELL BEER AND WINE.

21:08:49 THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.

21:08:51 SO THERE'S NOTE A WAY THAT I AM AWARE OF IN THE LOCAL WET

21:08:54 ZONING TO CARVE OUT LIQUOR OFF-PREMISES.

21:08:57 WE HAVE TO GET A STATE LICENSE TO DO THAT AND I CAN TELL YOU

21:09:01 THIS ON THE RECORD AND THE OWNERS WILL TELL YOU THIS, NO

21:09:03 INTENT TO DO THAT.

21:09:04 BUT THE PACK ALLEGE SALES FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, THAT'S

21:09:10 SOMEWHAT INSEPARABLE WHAT'S WITHIN THAT.

21:09:14 THERE'S NO INTENT IN OUR ABILITY TO MAKE THIS A LIQUOR STORE

21:09:18 BECAUSE THERE'S NO STATE LICENSE.




21:09:19 WE DON'T HAVE A STATE LICENSE.

21:09:21 WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR ONE TO HAVE THAT OFF-PREMISES.

21:09:26 BEER AND WINE IS SOLD OFF-PREMISES.

21:09:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE APPLICANTS ARE SELLING GROWLERS?

21:09:36 I'M SORRY, THEIR OWN BREWED BEER?

21:09:38 >>TYLER HUDSON: YES, A SMALL AMOUNT, THEIR SHELF AREA IS NO

21:09:42 WIDER THAN THIS PODIUM HERE, FOR NATURAL WINE PRODUCTS.

21:09:45 BUT BEER AND COFFEE AND COOL T-SHIRTS.

21:09:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M CONFUSED ON WHY YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN

21:09:55 OFF-PREMISES PACKAGE SALES.

21:10:01 THE DECISIONS WE MAKE HERE GO WITH THE PROPERTY.

21:10:04 AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, I SEE

21:10:08 CONCERNS, AS COUNCILMAN GUDES DOES.

21:10:11 >>TYLER HUDSON: SURE.

21:10:12 REGARDING STAYING WITH THE PROPERTY, THAT'S CORRECT.

21:10:14 THIS DOES.

21:10:15 HOWEVER, IF THERE'S A SUSPENSION OR CESSATION OF ALCOHOL

21:10:21 SALES FOR 60 DAYS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE THING THAT WILL

21:10:24 HAPPEN.

21:10:27 WHOEVER COMES IN NEXT, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT GOES AWAY.

21:10:31 SO THIS COMPANY IS COMMITTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

21:10:40 SALES IS NOT AN EASY THING.

21:10:42 BUT IF I GOT THE SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC

21:10:46 ASSOCIATION, NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, WHAT A GREAT

21:10:51 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY HAVE EARNED TRUST IN THE LAST FOUR




21:10:55 YEARS SINCE THEY GOT THE FIRST WET ZONING APPROVAL IN APRIL

21:10:58 OF 22.

21:11:00 IT'S SOMETHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS AND I THINK THEY HAVE

21:11:02 DEMONSTRATED THEY CAN BE RESPONSIBLE, SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

21:11:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

21:11:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?

21:11:11 ALL RIGHT.

21:11:11 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

21:11:23 OKAY.

21:11:24 >> MY NAME IS RUBEN FRANK, 515 EAST -- AVENUE, I'M THE

21:11:42 HOMEOWNER ON THE CORNER WHERE ALL THE CARS USED TO DRIVE.

21:11:45 I'M THE ONE THAT WORKED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA TO GET THE

21:11:48 LIGHT ON THE CORNER, BECAUSE OF ALL THE CARS IN MY FRONT

21:11:51 YARD.

21:11:52 AS FAR AS KING IS CONCERNED, I HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY

21:11:56 RESPONSIBLE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOR FROM KEEPING THE PROPERTY

21:12:00 CLEAN, TO KEEPING IT QUIET, TO BRINGING A GREAT VIBE TO THE

21:12:05 NEIGHBORHOOD.

21:12:06 I'M NOT SURE IF YOU EVER HAD A CHANCE DO FREQUENT ANY OF YOU

21:12:10 BUT I HAVE, AND THE CONCERNS WE HAVE AS FAR AS THE LICENSING

21:12:12 ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY AS FAR AS LIQUOR CONCERNS, I'M

21:12:16 FOR IT AND I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

21:12:18 SO I HAVE PROBABLY THE MOST TO GAIN OR LOSE IF THINGS GO

21:12:23 SOUTH AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED, BECAUSE I AM THEIR

21:12:26 CLOSEST NEIGHBOR.




21:12:27 THEY HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT RESPONSIBLE.

21:12:30 AND I WANTED TO -- THE SIGN OUT FRONT AS IT RELATES TO

21:12:34 SOMETHING WITH CITY COUNCIL, AS I WALKED PAST THE HOUSE.

21:12:38 I READ IT.

21:12:39 I NOTICED THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

21:12:42 SO I MADE A POINT TO MAKE SURE I CAME TO HEAR WHAT THEY WERE

21:12:45 TALKING ABOUT.

21:12:46 AND I'M GLAD I DID, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT

21:12:51 FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

21:12:52 SO NOW IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS.

21:12:55 THEY HAVE TRANSFORMED THAT CORNER.

21:12:58 SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING A FORMER GAS STATION, OR YET ANOTHER

21:13:02 AUTO REPAIR SHOP, THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER ON FLORIBRASKA --

21:13:06 I'M SORRY, ON FLORIDA AVENUE, TO CHANGE THAT INTO A

21:13:09 NEIGHBORHOOD SPOT WHERE PEOPLE -- I CAN ATTEST THERE'S A TON

21:13:16 OF CARS IN THE PARKING LOT ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S A GREAT

21:13:19 VIBE TO BE ABLE TO GO ACROSS THE STREET AND ENJOY A GLASS OF

21:13:22 WINE OR A CRAFT BEER, AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A MIXED DRINK

21:13:25 THERE TOO AS WELL.

21:13:30 IF SOMEONE LOOKS ON PAPER AND SEES WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS, THIS

21:13:34 WAY, THERE'S ANOTHER STORE THAT HAS ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION

21:13:37 AVAILABLE TO BE TAKEN OFF-SITE, ONE MIGHT COME TO A

21:13:45 CONCLUSION THAT IS NOT REALLY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT ACTUALLY

21:13:47 GOES ON, AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE STORES AND KING'S

21:13:50 STATE, LIKE THEY SAID, I HAVE SEEN KIDS THERE, I HAVE SEEN




21:13:56 FAMILIES OR FRIENDS, HANG OUT AND ENJOYING THEMSELVES.

21:14:00 BUT THE VIBE OF THAT CROWD IS SO GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

21:14:05 SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE YOURSELF TO GO, TAKE TIME AND

21:14:10 CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF AND I HOPE YOU GET AN IDEA WHY THEY

21:14:12 ARE ASKING FOR A WET ZONE THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.

21:14:15 THESE GUYS DIDN'T NOTICE I WAS COMING TONIGHT.

21:14:17 I LITERALLY SAW THE SIGN, AND I HAPPENED TO HAVE THE NUMBER

21:14:21 OF TIM WHO IS ACROSS THE STREET, AND SAID, HEY, I HEARD THAT

21:14:26 YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A HEARING TONIGHT.

21:14:29 WHERE IS IT AGAIN?

21:14:30 WHAT TIME IS IT AGAIN?

21:14:31 AND THEN DECIDED TO POP BY SO YOU CAN HEAR FROM THE

21:14:36 COMMUNITY.

21:14:36 I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME --

21:14:39 [BELL SOUNDS]

21:14:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE 30 SECOND.

21:14:41 >> I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO THE COMMUNITY THE

21:14:44 FIRST NIGHT, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF IT AND

21:14:48 PROBABLY FIVE PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINST IT.

21:14:50 AND THE FEW THAT WERE AGAINST IT, IT WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY

21:14:53 DIDN'T KNOW.

21:14:53 THEY ALSO HADN'T BEEN TO ANOTHER LOCAL PLACE CALLED LEE'S

21:14:57 GROCERY WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF CENTRAL AND ASKED THEM, HAVE

21:15:00 YOU EVER BEEN THERE AND HAVE YOU EVER FELT THAT CROWD THAT

21:15:04 VIBE?




21:15:04 A BUNCH OF NICE PEOPLE HANGING OUT ENJOYING THEMSELVES AFTER

21:15:07 WORK.

21:15:07 I GO, KING STATE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME THING.

21:15:11 AND I KNEW THAT IN ADVANCE JUST BY WHAT THEY WERE TELLING

21:15:13 ME. [BELL SOUNDING]

21:15:13 ANYWAY, I HOPE IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION ...

21:15:19 >> THANKS FOR COMING BY.

21:15:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

21:15:29 ALL RIGHT.

21:15:29 ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?

21:15:31 >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

21:15:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY

21:15:36 MR. MANISCALCO.

21:15:37 ALL IN FAVOR?

21:15:38 ANY OPPOSED?

21:15:39 MOTION GRANTED.

21:15:40 MR. CARLSON, NUMBER 8?

21:15:42 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE AB 2-22-05,

21:15:47 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,

21:15:49 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR

21:15:52 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON

21:15:55 PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION MAKING

21:15:59 LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC

21:16:02 CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR

21:16:05 TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 520 EAST FLORIBRASKA AVENUE, TAMPA,




21:16:09 FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3,

21:16:12 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN

21:16:15 CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2018-48,

21:16:19 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

21:16:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

21:16:22 ROLL CALL.

21:16:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

21:16:26 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

21:16:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

21:16:30 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

21:16:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

21:16:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

21:16:38 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

21:16:39 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,

21:16:43 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.

21:16:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE NEED HIM UP ON THE VIDEO.

21:16:54 >>THE CLERK: HE IS ON SCREEN.

21:16:57 >> HE IS ON SCREEN.

21:16:58 THERE WE GO.

21:17:02 THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE.

21:17:04 OKAY.

21:17:05 THERE'S A SCREEN THAT SHE HAS WITH THE MONITOR, WHAT GOES ON

21:17:10 ON THE VIDEO.

21:17:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

21:17:12 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.




21:17:17 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, CASE AB 2-22-08, IS A REQUEST FOR A

21:17:21 SPECIAL USE 2 FOR LARGE VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR

21:17:26 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES

21:17:30 CONSUMPTION AT 203 NORTH MERIDIAN AVENUE. CAN I PLEASE HAVE

21:17:35 CONTROL OF THE SCREEN?

21:17:37 >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE CONTROL, ZAIN.

21:17:40 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN NOW?

21:17:57 WONDERFUL.

21:17:59 THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE IS DAVID SINGER AND COLIN

21:18:04 RICE.

21:18:05 NOW, THIS IS A PROPOSED AB SALES PERMIT.

21:18:11 AB 1-1934 FOR A RESTAURANT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR

21:18:16 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.

21:18:18 SO THE ADDITION HERE IS ADDING -- ASKING FOR A LARGE VENUE,

21:18:24 AND ASKING FOR PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.

21:18:29 NOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR AB SALES WILL NOT CHANGE.

21:18:32 THE SALES WILL STILL BE 3,806 SQUARE FEET INDOORS AND 1165

21:18:38 SQUARE FEET OUTDOORS FOR A TOTAL AB SALES AREA OF 4971

21:18:42 SQUARE FEET.

21:18:46 BEING IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT PARKING IS NOT REQUIRED.

21:18:48 SEALS OF HOURS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.

21:18:52 NO WAIVERS ARE BEING REQUESTED HERE, AND THERE ARE NO AB

21:18:56 SALES ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN 1250 FEET.

21:19:00 IF YOU SEE THE PARCEL HERE, YOU WILL SEE OUTLINED IN RED,

21:19:03 THE OVERALL STRUCTURE IS -- AND THE PERSON THAT'S ASKING FOR




21:19:11 THE AB SALES PERMIT IS LALA SANGRIA. NORTH MERIDIAN AVENUE.

21:19:19 IT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH TO THE WEST.

21:19:21 ALSO YOU WILL HAVE DOWNTOWN TO THE WEST.

21:19:24 THE CHANNEL DISTRICT NORTH AND SOUTH HERE TO THE EAST.

21:19:29 YOU WILL HAVE NORTH 11th STREET.

21:19:32 YOU WILL HAVE EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH.

21:19:34 YOU WILL HAVE SPARKMAN WHARF DOWN THERE TO THE SOUTH.

21:19:41 PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SITE.

21:19:43 I WILL SHOW YOU THIS.

21:19:47 ACCESS IS ON MERIDIAN AVENUE AND ALSO EAST WASHINGTON

21:19:51 STREET.

21:19:52 THE SUBJECT PARCEL RIGHT HERE.

21:19:55 ALREADY EXISTING.

21:19:57 THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

21:19:59 YOU SEE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

21:20:06 YOU HAVE A GOOD SHOT SANGRIA BAR RIGHT HERE.

21:20:10 AND THE SITE ALSO FROM THE STREET OF EAST WASHINGTON.

21:20:17 TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE YOU WILL HAVE THE SLATE, AND THEY

21:20:20 ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF BOUTIQUE RETAIL STORES.

21:20:24 AND THE WEST, YOU WILL SEE DOWNTOWN TAMPA, AND ALSO YOU WILL

21:20:29 SEE THE INTERSECTION OF MERIDIAN AN EAST WASHINGTON.

21:20:34 TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING AT THIS TIME,

21:20:36 AND ALSO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, WHICH RUNS INTO MORE

21:20:39 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES.

21:20:44 AB STRUCTURE DOWN THE STREET AND SPARKMAN WHARF DOWN ON THE




21:20:49 CHANNEL DISTRICT.

21:20:51 TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE YOU WILL SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL

21:20:53 MULTIFAMILY.

21:20:54 YOU HAVE A HIGH-RISE, AND ALSO RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY UP

21:20:57 AND DOWN SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE ON WASHINGTON.

21:21:03 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE

21:21:06 APPLICATION AND FINDS THIS CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE CITY

21:21:08 OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.

21:21:11 MINOR CORRECTIONS NEED ON THE ON THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST

21:21:15 SECOND READING AND STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS BEING DONE.

21:21:17 THANK YOU.

21:21:18 HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

21:21:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?

21:21:21 ALL RIGHT.

21:21:22 WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

21:21:23 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

21:21:30 COLIN RICE FOR THE APPLICANT, 101 EAST KENNEDY, SUITE 2800.

21:21:35 PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT BEING UDR SLADE LLC AS ZAIN

21:21:41 MENTIONED AS LALA SANGRIA, AND JOHN ENGLISH, THE OWNER OF

21:21:47 LALA SANGRIA. I WILL BE BRIEF TONIGHT. I KNOW WE ARE LAST

21:21:51 ON THE AGENDA.

21:21:52 I HAVE SOME SIMPLE VISUALS TO RUN THROUGH AND I WILL BE

21:21:56 HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

21:21:58 SO I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND AS ZAIN MENTIONED, FROM A

21:22:07 SPECIAL USE 2 FOR RESTAURANT LARGE VENUE BEER, WINE AND




21:22:11 LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES, PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES

21:22:14 CONSUMPTION, CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER AN S-1 ALCOHOL

21:22:18 PERMIT.

21:22:20 TO ORIENT YOU HERE IN CHANNELSIDE, MERIDIAN SEPARATED BY THE

21:22:30 MEDIAN, WE HAVE GOT CSX RAIL LINES ACROSS THE STREET, FROM

21:22:37 THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.

21:22:39 TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE VACANT COMMERCIAL.

21:22:41 TO THE EAST, THERE IS A SURFACE PARKING LOT HERE.

21:22:45 SO DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING BUT CURRENTLY KIND OF SITTING

21:22:49 RELATIVELY ISOLATED FROM THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.

21:22:57 THIS IS FACING TO THE NORTHEAST ON WASHINGTON AND MERIDIAN.

21:23:07 A BUSY FLOOR PLAN HERE BUT TO SHOW YOU THE LAYOUT.

21:23:13 NOTHING IS CHANGING.

21:23:14 THIS IS IDENTICAL INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SQUARE FOOTAGE.

21:23:19 WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, AND -- IT REALLY HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM

21:23:27 WITH THIS SITE.

21:23:28 WE ARE COGNIZANT OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

21:23:30 ANY CHANGES THAT MIGHT COME, AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY

21:23:35 PROBLEMS DEALING WITH NOISE.

21:23:38 WE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

21:23:39 UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SHOWS A STRUCTURE WITH A LARGE

21:23:42 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX.

21:23:44 AGAIN, HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.

21:23:46 WE DON'T FORESEE IT BEING A PROBLEM.

21:23:48 THE OUTDOOR AREA FACE IT IS CXS RAIL LINES ACROSS THE WAY.




21:24:00 AND THIS AGAIN SHOWING INDOOR OUTDOOR OVERALL.

21:24:05 AGAIN, THIS IS THE SLATE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.

21:24:08 A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT HERE, OUR CLIENT TOOK OVER THIS

21:24:11 SPACE AT THE VERY END OF 19, INTO 2020, 2021, SO HE HAS SEEN

21:24:18 THE INITIAL OPENING, ENTRY INTO THE WORLD, NEW REEMERGENCE,

21:24:25 AND THE BOTTOM LINE, AMENDED THE BUSINESS MODEL.

21:24:29 THE 51% FOOD SALES REQUIREMENT INHERENT WITH THE SPECIAL USE

21:24:34 1 RESTAURANT APPROVAL DIDN'T SEEM FEASIBLE FOR THE SITE FOR

21:24:39 THIS BUSINESS MODEL.

21:24:40 THAT'S REALLY WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.

21:24:42 WE ARE ON A PARALLEL TRACK WORKING WITH THE STATE, HAVE NO

21:24:45 ISSUES WITH THIS, AND REALLY THE IDEA IS TO BRING THIS INTO

21:24:48 COMPLIANCE TO WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED, WHAT THEY SEE

21:24:51 GOING FORWARD FOR THE BUSINESS.

21:24:55 FULL KITCHEN, FOOD AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES, STILL FUNCTIONING

21:24:59 AS A RESTAURANT.

21:24:59 IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

21:25:00 WE JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE HAD AND

21:25:04 GOING FORWARD.

21:25:06 WITH THE CORRECT DESIGNATION.

21:25:08 WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

21:25:10 APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

21:25:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR COLIN?

21:25:16 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

21:25:17 ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?




21:25:19 >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

21:25:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO?

21:25:27 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

21:25:31 MOTION GRANTED TO CLOSE.

21:25:32 ALL RIGHT.

21:25:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR

21:25:35 FIRST READING, CAN AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE

21:25:39 PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES LARGE VENUE

21:25:42 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES

21:25:45 CONSUMPTION, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES

21:25:48 REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON

21:25:51 THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 203 NORTH

21:25:56 MERIDIAN AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY

21:25:58 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR

21:26:01 PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED REPEALING AB

21:26:04 1-19-34 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND WITH THE MINOR

21:26:08 CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.

21:26:11 THIS WAS FOUND CONSISTENT.

21:26:14 DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES.

21:26:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.

21:26:21 ROLL CALL.

21:26:21 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

21:26:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

21:26:24 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

21:26:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.




21:26:36 >>LUIS VIERA: CAN YOU HEAR ME?

21:26:38 >>THE CLERK: YES.

21:26:39 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.

21:26:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

21:26:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

21:26:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

21:26:45 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.

21:26:48 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,

21:26:52 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.

21:26:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

21:26:56 MR. SHELBY.

21:26:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

21:27:01 YOU HAD ASKED ME, COUNSEL, WHEN THE WORKSHOP WAS CANCELED

21:27:06 THIS MORNING, TO COME UP WITH OTHER DATES WITH THE

21:27:09 FACILITATOR.

21:27:11 HER BEST DATE WAS APRIL 19th, AND A COUPLE OF COUNCIL

21:27:17 MEMBERS WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THE FULL MEETING ON THE

21:27:19 19th.

21:27:19 SO, COUNCIL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU CAN, WE CAN WORK IT OUT

21:27:25 WITH THE FACILITATOR, FIND OUT WHEN THE DATES ARE AVAILABLE

21:27:28 SO WE CAN DO THAT WHEN NEW COUNCILMEMBER --

21:27:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN IS THE NEW --

21:27:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: APRIL 7th.

21:27:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN CALLING ABOUT THIS.

21:27:39 THE PUBLIC CALLED ME TODAY.




21:27:40 I UNDERSTAND IT'S SCHEDULED BUT WE HAVE TO GET A DATE TO GET

21:27:45 THIS DONE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING ABOUT IT, SO

21:27:48 COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST THEIR SCHEDULE SOMEHOW SO

21:27:51 WE CAN GET THIS DONE.

21:27:52 WE CAN'T KEEP PUTTING IT OFF AND OFF.

21:27:55 WE CAN PUT IT OFF TO 7 PEOPLE, BUT --

21:27:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN AS SOON AS I CAN, AND AS A MATTER OF

21:28:01 FACT I AM GOING TO WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AND WITH

21:28:04 YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO MAKE SURE JUST HOLDING THE MEETING,

21:28:10 HOLDING THE ROOM IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, AND WE CAN

21:28:12 TAKE IT AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ON A TUESDAY.

21:28:15 I DO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU MAY WANTS TO CONSIDER.

21:28:18 MAY 10th IS A SPECIAL CALLED -- A MEETING THAT YOU SET

21:28:23 THE COMMENDATIONS.

21:28:25 YOU WILL BE HERE ON MAY 10th AND THE ONLY THING RIGHT

21:28:27 NOW ON MAY 10th IF YOU DON'T PUT ANY OTHER COMMENDATIONS

21:28:31 ON FOR MAY 10th, THE ONLY THING YOU WOULD HAVE ON MAY

21:28:36 10th, IF WE CAN GET IT IN APRIL THAT WOULD EVEN BE

21:28:39 BETTER BUT I KNOW YOU CAN START YOUR WORKSHOP AT 9:30, GO TO

21:28:44 BE 12:30 AND BE DONE WITH IT.

21:28:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE THIS GAP.

21:28:48 MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ARE HAVING A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP,

21:28:54 DISCUSSING THE CHARTER.

21:28:55 THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WILL STOP AT 12:00.

21:29:01 IF IT RUNS INTO THE AFTERNOON, WE FINISH.




21:29:03 THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT I WAS THINKING.

21:29:06 I DON'T THINK HAVING TWO HOURS --

21:29:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THREE HOURS?

21:29:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE.

21:29:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TALK WITH THE

21:29:16 FAB SILL TATE OR BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A 9 TO 12

21:29:21 WORKSHOP.

21:29:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD.

21:29:26 I THOUGHT IT WASN'T JUST A COUPLE OF HOURS BECAUSE WE HAD

21:29:29 THREE OR FOUR ISSUES, AND A COUPLE OF HOURS WILL TAKE THAT

21:29:33 UP REAL QUICK.

21:29:36 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON MAY

21:29:39 10th?

21:29:41 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, CHAIR?

21:29:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA?

21:29:45 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.

21:29:47 I AM LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR ON MAY 10th.

21:29:52 I HAVE GOT TO GET IT BACK UP.

21:29:56 I HAVE A MEDIATION WHERE I AM SERVING MEDIATOR AT 1:30 THAT

21:30:01 DAY IN LAKELAND WHICH WOULD NECESSITY MY LEAVING HERE, IN

21:30:05 THIS CASE ABOUT 12, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE THAT SET ASIDE

21:30:11 FOR THE COMMENDATION MEETING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I CANNOT

21:30:16 STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING SO I REQUEST IT BE DONE ANOTHER

21:30:19 DAY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

21:30:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN




21:30:25 RESOLVE THE FACILITATOR, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MAYBE

21:30:29 I MISUNDERSTOOD, WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE A MORNING WORKSHOP.

21:30:32 BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A NIGHT MEETING THAT NIGHT AS WELL.

21:30:35 >>BILL CARLSON: IN A WORST-CASE SCENARIO WE CAN DO IT

21:30:40 WITHOUT A FACILITATOR BUT TO FIND A DATE.

21:30:43 WHAT ABOUT MAY 19th?

21:30:45 IT LOOKS LIKE WE ONLY HAVE ONE.

21:30:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY 19th, THAT'S ALSO LATE.

21:30:52 I WOULD RATHER DO IT EARLIER IF WE COULD.

21:30:55 MAY 19th IS A REGULAR SESSION.

21:31:00 SO YOU WOULD HAVE A FULL CONSENT DOCKET THE SECOND READING.

21:31:05 >>BILL CARLSON: UNLESS WE SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT

21:31:07 THEN.

21:31:08 WHY DON'T WE TAKE IT OFFLINE?

21:31:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN TAKE IT OFFLINE I WILL WORK WITH

21:31:13 THE CHAIR TO WORK THIS OUT AND THEN --

21:31:15 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD RATHER DO IT --

21:31:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE PUBLIC IS ASKING.

21:31:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE OTHER

21:31:25 COUNCILMEMBER, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW

21:31:28 COUNCILMEMBER THERE, BUT, I MEAN, I COULD BRING THIS BACK

21:31:32 AND WORK WITH YOU AND BRING THIS BACK FOR NEXT WEEK, OR DO

21:31:34 YOU WANT IT ON FOR THE 7th FOR THE NEW COUNCILMEMBER.

21:31:38 AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO CHOOSE A DATE BUT SEE IF WE CAN GET

21:31:41 IT.




21:31:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE KICKING, KICKING,

21:31:47 KICKING.

21:31:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I APOLOGIZE BUT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT

21:31:51 YOU ARE SAYING, I DO.

21:31:58 DO YOU WANT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE MAY -- I SEE THE APRIL

21:32:01 7th DISCUSSION STAFF REPORT UNDER STAFF REPORTS AS THE

21:32:03 LAST ITEM?

21:32:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 7th UNDER STAFF REPORT, LAST

21:32:08 ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

21:32:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO SET THE DATE FOR THE CHARTER WORKSHOP?

21:32:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

21:32:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

21:32:14 IS THAT A MOTION ON THAT?

21:32:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.

21:32:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MADE A MOTION.

21:32:19 SECOND?

21:32:20 SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.

21:32:21 ALL IN FAVOR?

21:32:23 OPPOSED?

21:32:23 MOTION CARRIED.

21:32:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

21:32:29 ALL RIGHT.

21:32:29 MR. VIERA?

21:32:30 >>LUIS VIERA: NOTHING.

21:32:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHOA, AMAZING.




21:32:43 MR. CARLSON?

21:32:44 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE THREE THAT I KIND OF SKETCHED OUT,

21:32:49 AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE THESE, JUST TELL ME.

21:32:52 NUMBER ONE IS I SAW THAT STORY ABOUT THIS NEW PARK IN

21:32:57 CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THE CHAIR OF

21:33:00 THE CRA WAS NOT QUOTED IN THE STORIES.

21:33:04 AND ALTHOUGH THE CRA WAS MENTIONED, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A

21:33:09 CITY PROJECT INSTEAD OF A CRA PROJECT.

21:33:11 ALTHOUGH THIS MAY BE A CRA ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

21:33:15 MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE CRA CHAIR TAKE THE LEAD IN MEDIA

21:33:20 ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARD BEING CITY PROJECTS FUNDED BY THE CRA.

21:33:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'LL SECOND IT.

21:33:30 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF THE MONEY

21:33:36 FROM CRA IS BEING USED TO ENHANCE A CITY FACILITY, THEN THE

21:33:40 CRA IS LEFT OUT, AND IT'S STILL CRA MONEY.

21:33:44 SO THE CRA, IF WE ARE GOING TO JUSTIFY TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE

21:33:47 NEED CRAs, WE NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THE CRA --

21:33:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT GOES BACK TO COMMUNICATION.

21:33:57 THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR HAS DONE TONS OF -- AND THIS COUNCIL HAS

21:34:07 NO ONE TO DEFEND THEM OR TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OR DO

21:34:11 ANYTHING OF THE KIND, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

21:34:14 SO WHEN THERE IS AN ISSUE LIKE THIS HERE, WE SHOULD HAVE A

21:34:20 PERSON THAT CAN BE CONTACTED.

21:34:24 I HAVE SAID THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

21:34:27 THE CITY IS GROWING AND SOMETHING FOR THIS COUNCIL TO THINK




21:34:30 ABOUT BECAUSE WITH ALL THE ISSUES GOING ON, THERE'S NO ONE

21:34:32 TO SPEAK FOR THIS COUNCIL.

21:34:34 THERE'S NO ONE.

21:34:36 AND I SAID IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

21:34:38 AND MOST CITIES, I HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH, THEY HAVE THEIR

21:34:49 OWN STAFF TO HANDLE BUSINESS.

21:34:50 >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE MEANTIME I TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF

21:34:52 STAFF A COUPLE DAYS AGO AND HE COMMITTED TO TRY TO WORK WITH

21:34:56 THESE THINGS, NOT THIS SPECIFICALLY BUT JUST ON BETTER

21:34:59 COMMUNICATIONS.

21:35:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CARLSON.

21:35:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AS A CITY COUNCIL,

21:35:10 BUT THIS IS REALLY A -- IT'S NOT A CRA ISSUE.

21:35:14 >> YOU ARE SITTING AS CITY COUNCIL AND THE PROBLEM IS WHEN

21:35:19 THE CRA, IF WE ARE REQUESTED BY THE CRA IT HAS NO INFLUENCE

21:35:22 OVER THE CITY SO WE ARE ASKING THE CITY COMMUNICATION

21:35:25 DEPARTMENT TO INVITE THE CRA CHAIR.

21:35:30 I AM NOT GOING TO ASK THEM BUT I BET HE WASN'T INVITED.

21:35:34 SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE CITY WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY,

21:35:40 THE HEAD OF THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY WOULD BE INVITED.

21:35:42 WHY WASN'T THE CRA CHAIR INVITED?

21:35:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND --

21:35:49 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT THE CRA CHAIR TAKE THE LEAD IN

21:35:52 ANNOUNCING CRA PROJECTS FUND BY THE CRA.

21:35:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. CARLSON.




21:36:02 ALL IN FAVOR?

21:36:03 MOTION GRANTED.

21:36:03 >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND ONE SIMILAR, AND AGAIN TELL ME IF

21:36:07 YOU ALL DON'T LIKE THIS, ANOTHER STORY TODAY, I HAVE TO READ

21:36:12 THIS TO YOU ALL.

21:36:13 I'M SORRY, IT'S LATE, BUT THIS IS REALLY BAD, THIS IS REALLY

21:36:17 BAD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

21:36:18 IT TALKS ABOUT AN APPEAL, AND I WON'T DISCUSS THE APPEAL,

21:36:21 BUT IT SAYS THE APPEAL COMES AMID WIDESPREAD CRITICISM IN

21:36:25 THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WAS

21:36:29 HANDLING A DEVELOPMENT OATH VOTE OFTEN UNPREDICTABLE,

21:36:32 INVESTORS PURSUED CITIES WITH STABLE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.

21:36:35 THIS IS A POLITICAL ATTACK.

21:36:37 THEY DIDN'T QUOTE WHO SAID THIS.

21:36:39 SO I ASSUME THE REPORTER DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.

21:36:41 BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WE KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING

21:36:45 THIS.

21:36:46 AND IT IS A POLITICAL ATTACK AGAINST THIS CITY COUNCIL.

21:36:51 BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT ABOUT

21:36:54 CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AT

21:36:58 CRITICIZING US OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE

21:37:01 IMPLYING THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL IS GIVING THE DEVELOPMENT

21:37:06 COMMUNITY OF TAMPA A BAD U REPUTATION.

21:37:08 IT'S KNOW IT THIS CITY COUNCIL DOING IT.

21:37:10 IT'S THESE STORIES THAT DOING IT.




21:37:12 BUT THIS COMMENT ONLY APPEARS IN THE BUSINESS JOURNAL IN

21:37:14 THESE STORIES.

21:37:15 SO HOW IS IT THAT DEVELOPERS NATIONALLY WOULD THINK THAT

21:37:19 THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH DEVELOPMENT IN TAMPA, IS BECAUSE THEY

21:37:23 ARE READING THESE STORIES.

21:37:24 AND SO IN A NORMAL COMMUNICATION ENVIRONMENT, WE WOULD ASK

21:37:28 THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT TO GO TALK TO THEM AND SET THE

21:37:30 RECORD STRAIGHT, BECAUSE BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT WIDESPREAD

21:37:34 CRITICISM, IT'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE.

21:37:36 NUMBER TWO, IT'S KNOW IT TRUE BECAUSE WE APPROVE 98, 99%.

21:37:40 IN FACT WE ARE CRITICIZED FOR APPROVING TOO MANY.

21:37:42 AND WE DO HAVE STABLE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.

21:37:45 THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE ARE THOUGHTFUL.

21:37:47 AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSET AND IT'S NOT

21:37:50 RIGHT.

21:37:51 SO AGAIN TELL ME IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS, BUT I WOULD MAKE A

21:37:54 MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, CITY

21:37:57 ATTORNEY, DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND CLERK'S OFFICE MEET TO

21:38:02 REVIEW THE RECORD OF VOTES OF THIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE

21:38:04 DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PRESENT THAT RECORD TO THE REAL

21:38:08 ESTATE REPORTER AND EDITORS OF THE TAMPA BAY BUSINESS

21:38:12 JOURNAL TO CORRECT THE MISREPRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN

21:38:14 MADE TO THEM REGARDING THIS COUNCIL'S SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT

21:38:18 AND TO PREVENT HARM TO OUR GREAT CITY'S NATIONAL REPUTATION

21:38:22 CAUSED BY THESE ARTICLES AND REPRESENTATIONS.




21:38:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT

21:38:33 WRITE GOOD OR BAD ABOUT ME --

21:38:38 >>BILL CARLSON: BUT MY POINT, I RESPECT FOUNTAIN YOU GUYS

21:38:41 DON'T THINK -- IN A NORMAL ORGANIZATION, THE COMMUNICATION

21:38:45 DEPARTMENT WOULD GO CORRECT THIS.

21:38:49 WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THESE COMMENTS ARE BEING ALLOWED TO

21:38:52 STAND BECAUSE THEY HURT CITY COUNCIL.

21:38:58 BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS IT HURTS OUR CITY'S REPUTATION.

21:39:02 THERE ARE NATIONAL INVESTORS WHO READ THIS AND THINK THERE'S

21:39:05 A PROBLEM IN THE CITY AND I THINK WE NEED TO CORRECT IT AND

21:39:08 COMMUNICATION DEVELOPMENT.

21:39:11 SO MY REQUEST IS THEY CORRECT THE RECORD, NOT THAT THEY

21:39:14 CRITICIZE ANYBODY.

21:39:15 IT'S NOT CRITICIZING THE REPORTER OR THE EDITORS.

21:39:18 IT'S SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT BECAUSE ONLY A HAND FULL OF

21:39:21 PEOPLE ARE GIVING THEM THIS INFORMATION AND THEY NEED TO

21:39:23 CORRECT IT.

21:39:25 IS THERE A SECOND OR SHOULD WE LET IT DIE?

21:39:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE RIGHT, AND --

21:39:36 >>BILL CARLSON: THEY CAN, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS IF THEY

21:39:38 BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND CITY COUNCIL ARE NOT

21:39:40 ALIGNED, THEN IT'S EASY TO PICK AT CITY COUNCIL.

21:39:43 THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHO GETS HURT IN THE MEANTIME?

21:39:46 THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

21:39:47 OUR COMMUNITY'S REPUTATION IS HURT.




21:39:49 NOT US.

21:39:50 THEY CAN TAKE US OUT IF THEY WANT.

21:39:52 THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES OUT.

21:39:54 WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THE REPUTATION OF

21:39:57 OUR CITY.

21:39:58 AND THESE KIND OF MISREPRESENTATIONS ARE HURTING YOU.

21:40:01 THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT, CLAIMING THAT IT'S HURTING

21:40:03 THE REPUTATION OF OUR CITY, BUT THE WAY THEY ARE TALKING

21:40:08 ABOUT AND MISREPRESENTING IS WHAT'S HURTING OUR CITY.

21:40:10 SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT.

21:40:12 THAT I WILL DROP THE MOTION.

21:40:13 BUT I WOULD JUST REQUEST BETWEEN THE CHIEF OF STAFF,

21:40:15 DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AND THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, PLEASE

21:40:17 PROTECT OUR CITY.

21:40:22 PLEASE PROTECT OUR CITY'S REPUTATION BUT THESE STATEMENTS

21:40:26 ARE NOT TRUE AND IT HURTS OUR CITY.

21:40:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]

21:40:36 THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION.

21:40:38 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND --

21:40:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I PROTECT MYSELF.

21:40:45 I TAKE CARE OF ME.

21:40:46 >>BILL CARLSON: SO DEVELOPERS GOOGLE TAMPA DEVELOPMENT.

21:40:51 THESE STORIES ARE GOING TO POP UP.

21:40:53 AND THEY ARE GOING TO THINK THAT TAMPA IS NOT A GOOD PLACE

21:40:56 TO INVEST.




21:40:56 SO FOR GET HOW IT AFFECT US.

21:40:59 IT'S GOING TO HURT OUR CITY.

21:41:00 IT'S GOING TO HURT INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY.

21:41:02 THE LAST ONE IS, AGAIN, YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO

21:41:06 ACCEPT OR NOT.

21:41:06 I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO JAMES SHAW WHO STUDIED OUR

21:41:09 CHARTER BACK, AND HE SAID IN CREATIVE LOAFING THAT OTHER

21:41:16 CITIES, ESPECIALLY SARASOTA, IS A CLOSE EXAMPLE, HAVE A

21:41:20 SPECIFIC ORDINANCE THAT PROTECTS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SUIT

21:41:24 UNDER CHAPTER 119.

21:41:26 SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SEE IF YOU GUYS ACCEPT THIS OR

21:41:28 NOT.

21:41:29 I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE CITY MAKE A MOTION REQUEST THAT THE

21:41:32 CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW THE SARASOTA ORDINANCE AND THOSE OF

21:41:34 OTHER CITIES IN CONSULTATION WITH JAMES SHAW TO CREATE AN

21:41:38 ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DEFEND

21:41:41 ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE CITY WHO ARE SUED UNDER CHAPTER

21:41:44 119.

21:41:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT PROTECTING ANYONE BUT MYSELF.

21:41:52 THE CITY BEARS A RESPONSIBILITY OF ALL OF US IF WE FOLLOW

21:42:00 THE GUIDANCE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

21:42:02 AND I AM NOT GOING TO GO OUT IF I NEED HELP WHEN I DON'T

21:42:06 NEED HELP. IF THEY TELL ME I HAVE GOT TO DO A CERTAIN THING

21:42:09 AND I DISREGARD IT, THEN I HAVE TO THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO

21:42:14 REPRESENT ME.




21:42:14 I DON'T THINK MY OWN ATTORNEY IS GOING TO REPRESENT ME.

21:42:17 IF I HAVE A DOCTOR, THEY GO NO, NO, NO, WHAT ARE THEY GOING

21:42:23 TO TELL ME?

21:42:26 AT THIS TIME SAME THING.

21:42:28 I'M JUST SAYING IT'S THE SAME THING.

21:42:29 I DON'T NEED PROTECTION.

21:42:31 HE DON'T WANT PROTECTION.

21:42:33 I FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES WHETHER I AM HERE, I'M AT THE STATE

21:42:37 OR IN MY OWN.

21:42:38 I FOLLOW MY GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY.

21:42:40 END OF STORY WITH ME.

21:42:41 I'M NOT ASKING NOBODY.

21:42:43 AND IF THEY WANT TO COME AFTER ME, HERE I AM.

21:42:46 I DON'T HAVE TO HIDE.

21:42:48 >>BILL CARLSON: THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T

21:42:51 WANT TO PURCHASE THIS I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO, BUT IT

21:42:55 MAKES SENSE AND I THINK WOULD ALSO PROTECT THE MAYOR.

21:42:59 AND BY THE WAY, IF WE APPROVE THIS, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE

21:43:02 APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.

21:43:06 I MET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THE OTHER DAY AND THE QUESTION

21:43:09 I ASKED WHICH WASN'T ANSWERED, WHAT'S THE FINE LINE?

21:43:12 IF ANY ONE OF US ACCIDENTALLY DELETED ONE TEXT MESSAGE WE

21:43:15 ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE.

21:43:16 SO THEN IS THE CITY ATTORNEY NOT GOING TO PROTECT US?

21:43:21 WHERE IS THE FINE LINE?




21:43:24 IF YOU MEET WITH ONE LOBBYIST AND THE LOBBYIST DOESN'T

21:43:28 REGISTER, OR YOU COULD MAKE THE SMALLEST MISTAKE AND THEY

21:43:32 COULD SAY, OH, YOU BROKE THE RULES, THEN IT LOOKS ARBITRARY,

21:43:35 SO IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION.

21:43:38 I SPENT 10, 12,000-DOLLAR JUST RESPONDING TO A SUBPOENA AND

21:43:42 DIDN'T GET REIMBURSED.

21:43:44 SO IF ANY ONE OF COUNCILMAN CITRO GET SUED, AND NOT TALKING

21:43:50 ABOUT THE SUIT THAT JUST HAPPENED OR THE SITUATION HA THAT

21:43:54 HAPPENED BUT ANY ONE OF US COULD.

21:43:55 RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO PROTECTION.

21:43:57 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, MR. CHAIR?

21:44:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

21:44:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.

21:44:06 I WOULD WANT TO LOOK INTO THIS MORE BEFORE VOTING ON IT

21:44:10 MYSELF, BUT AT A LATER TIME WHEN I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE

21:44:14 ISSUE IN THAT LINE.

21:44:17 AGAIN, BEFORE GOING DOWN THIS STEP I WANT TO DO MORE

21:44:21 INVESTIGATION ON THIS ISSUE.

21:44:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT BE DONE, MR.

21:44:26 VIERA?

21:44:27 HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT BE DONE, SIR?

21:44:32 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST INDIVIDUALLY, ON MY OWN, ON MY OWN.

21:44:37 IN OTHER WORDS, BEFORE VOTING ON THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO

21:44:39 CONSULT WITH PEOPLE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

21:44:42 I DON'T WANT TO START SOMETHING GOING THAT MAY BE




21:44:46 UNNECESSARY, OR THAT MAY BE NECESSARY, AND VOTE AGAINST IT.

21:44:51 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL BE HAPPY TO WITHDRAW

21:44:53 IT AND SEND IT AS AN E-MAIL.

21:44:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WE HAVE GOT A CITY COUNCIL

21:44:57 ATTORNEY AND THAT'S HIS JOB TO LOOK INTO THOSE ISSUES TO

21:45:00 GIVE THIS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ON IT.

21:45:03 INDIVIDUALLY, THAT'S HIS JOB TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHERS ARE

21:45:07 DOING, OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.

21:45:10 THAT'S MY OPINION.

21:45:13 BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH MR. SHELBY LOOKING INTO IT.

21:45:17 IF YOU WANT INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION, YOU CAN DO IT.

21:45:21 BUT I THINK --

21:45:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WITH

21:45:28 THE APPROVAL OF COUNCIL, WHAT I WILL DO IS REACH OUT TO THE

21:45:31 LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECTION OF THE FLORIDA BAR AND JUST POSE

21:45:34 THE QUESTION TO SEE WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER

21:45:37 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE DOING.

21:45:40 TO SEE WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE I GET.

21:45:42 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT IF I PUT ON THE AGENDA, CAN YOU

21:45:45 DO IT BY NEXT WEEK?

21:45:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NEXT WEEK?

21:45:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 7th IS THE NEXT.

21:45:55 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL

21:45:58 ATTORNEY TO COME BACK TO US APRIL 7th TO GIVE US HIS

21:46:01 ADVICE ON WHETHER WE SHOULD --




21:46:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MR. CHAIRMAN, ALSO TO FOLLOW UP, I

21:46:09 HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH WITH REGARD TO INSURANCE CARRIERS

21:46:12 THAT DO THAT SORT OF THING.

21:46:14 BUT THE QUESTION IS, IN THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AS OPPOSED

21:46:17 TO A CITY MANAGER, I HAVE ONLY BEGUN THAT DISCUSSION, BUT IF

21:46:23 THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WISHES, THAT WILL BE FINE.

21:46:24 I CAN DO IT INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU LIKE.

21:46:26 BUT I AM GOING TO PUT OUT THAT WORD AND SEE WHAT KIND OF

21:46:29 RESPONSE I GET FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECTION.

21:46:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY OPINION, I THINK YOU ARE THE CITY

21:46:37 COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

21:46:37 YOU SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, RIGHT,

21:46:41 WRONG, INDIFFERENT, THINGS HAPPEN.

21:46:43 SO LOOK INTO AND BRING BACK INFORMATION, THERE'S NOTHING

21:46:47 WRONG WITH GIVING US INFORMATION.

21:46:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOME TIME AGO,

21:46:51 ACTUALLY, I REACHED OUT TO THE RISK MANAGER FOR THE CITY

21:46:56 BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS INSURANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE PROCESSED

21:47:00 THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION, OR I ASSUME WOULD HAVE TO BE

21:47:02 BUDGED, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IF IT WERE AVAILABLE.

21:47:06 SO WHEN I DID SEND THE E-MAIL TO THE RISK MANAGER, I GOT THE

21:47:14 RESPONSE FROM MS. GRIMES WITH THE INFORMATION, BUT IT REALLY

21:47:18 DIDN'T GO MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT.

21:47:20 SO I JUST WANT TO --

21:47:21 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET A COPY OF THE




21:47:23 POLICY BECAUSE THE POLICY UP TO 3500 THAT YOU SHOULD BE THE

21:47:27 SAME THING APPLICABLE LESS THAN 500 THAT YOU.

21:47:30 BUT CAN I PASS A SIMPLE MOTION TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY,

21:47:34 CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, TO REPRESENT BACK TO US ON APRIL

21:47:37 7th ABOUT HIS ADVICE REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD

21:47:41 PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT CITY COUNCIL UNDER CHAPTER

21:47:45 119?

21:47:47 >> SECOND.

21:47:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND I HAVE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE CITY

21:47:51 ATTORNEY IN SARASOTA, BECAUSE I WAS AWARE OF THAT AS WELL,

21:47:54 WITH REGARD TO SOME SORT OF ORDINANCE.

21:47:58 OR AT LEAST THE DISCUSSION.

21:47:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

21:48:01 MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.

21:48:02 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

21:48:05 ALL IN FAVOR?

21:48:06 ANY OPPOSED?

21:48:08 ALL RIGHT.

21:48:08 MOTION GRANTED.

21:48:09 NOTHING WRONG WITH DISCUSSION.

21:48:11 JUST GIVE US INFORMATION.

21:48:12 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY WE CAN'T --

21:48:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST ASKING FOR A SOLUTION, THAT'S ALL.

21:48:21 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

21:48:23 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S IT.




21:48:24 THANK YOU.

21:48:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT

21:48:36 A COMMENDATION TO ALTAFHUSEN BUKHARI. HE'S A VERY CAPABLE

21:48:43 PE ENGINEER III WHO OFFICIALLY RETIRED FROM THE CITY OF

21:48:45 TAMPA MOBILITY DEPARTMENT ON MARCH 1st, 2022, MR.

21:48:49 BUKHARI IS BEING HONORED FOR HIS OUTSTANDING, AND HIS

21:48:55 ABILITY TO ENSURE TAMPA'S MOVABLE BRIDGES, SEAWALLS AND

21:48:59 ROADWAYS ARE SAFE, BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR 36 YEARS AND I

21:49:04 WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS COMMENDATION ON TUESDAY, APRIL 12TH,

21:49:08 2022.

21:49:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

21:49:10 ALL IN FAVOR?

21:49:11 OPPOSED?

21:49:11 MOTION GRANTED.

21:49:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM NUMBER 2, A MOTION FOR

21:49:15 COMMENDATION, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A

21:49:18 COMMENDATION RECOGNIZING APRIL AS THE NATIONAL MINORITY

21:49:21 CANCER AWARENESS MONTH, AND THE GEORGE EDGECOMB SOCIETY AT

21:49:27 MOFFITT CANCER CENTER HOSTING ITS SECOND ANNUAL VIRTUAL

21:49:30 EVENT ON APRIL 28, 2022.

21:49:32 THAT WILL HELP IN RESEARCH.

21:49:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

21:49:39 MOTION GRANTED.

21:49:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT

21:49:43 A COMMENDATION TO RYAN MANASSE WHO WILL BE LEAVING THE CITY




21:49:47 LATER THIS MONTH TO WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

21:49:50 RYAN WAS TAUGHT BY THE BEST, IN MY OPINION, GLORIA MOREDA,

21:49:53 AND HE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.

21:49:55 WE WILL MISS HIM.

21:49:56 I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION TO RYAN MANASSE ON

21:49:59 TUESDAY, APRIL 12TH, 2022.

21:50:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WOW.

21:50:02 SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

21:50:05 ALL IN FAVOR?

21:50:06 ANY OPPOSED?

21:50:07 MOTION GRANTED.

21:50:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING, SIR?

21:50:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO

21:50:19 COMMENDATION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE TAMPA ALUMNAE

21:50:20 DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INCORPORATED, IN CELEBRATION OF

21:50:22 THEIR CHANPTER'S 75TH ANNIVERSARY AT THEIR EVENT ON APRIL

21:50:25 9th, 2022.

21:50:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN GUDES, SECOND FROM

21:50:31 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

21:50:31 ALL IN FAVOR?

21:50:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION, OR REGIONAL

21:50:37 HERE, THE NATIONAL PRESIDENT.

21:50:44 SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THE

21:50:47 ADMINISTRATION LOOK INTO AN HONORARY RENAMING OF GOVERNOR

21:50:51 STREET THAT RUNS IN FRONT OF ST. PETER CLAVER CATHOLIC




21:50:55 SCHOOL TO YVONNE D. FORT STREET IN HONOR OF YVONNE D. FORT

21:50:55 FOR HER 32 YEARS OF DEDICATION AND SERVICE AS A TEACHER THAT

21:50:59 TAUGHT SOME OF TAMPA'S BRIGHTEST STUDENTS IN THE AREA.

21:51:02 A REPORT BE BROUGH BEFORE COUNCIL ON MAY 5, 2022 UNDER STAFF

21:51:06 REPORTS.

21:51:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY CHAIRMAN GUDES.

21:51:10 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.

21:51:12 ALL IN FAVOR?

21:51:13 ALL RIGHT.

21:51:14 MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

21:51:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

21:51:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE STAND ADJOURNED.

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