TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MARCH 24, 2022
5:01 P.M.
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17:10:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL COME TO ORDER ON
MARCH 24, 2022.
MR. MANISCALCO, IF YOU GIVE A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE.
17:10:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE DID NOT HAVE A MORNING MEETING TODAY, WHICH IS
UNUSUAL THAT WE DO IT FOR AN EVENING MEETING.
BUT IF WE CAN HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE SINCE WE DID NOT
HAVE INVOCATION.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:10:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO HAS THE BOY SCOUTS COMING.
SO IF THEY DO COME, WE WILL DO A TIME TO DO THE PLEDGE
OF ALLEGIANCE.
17:10:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
A MIX-UP ON THE TIME THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
BUT IF YOU WOULD GIVE ME ENOUGH TIME WHEN THEY DO
ARRIVE TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AND LET THEM HAVE
TWO SECONDS.
17:10:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ABSOLUTELY.
ROLL CALL.
17:11:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
17:11:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
17:11:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
17:11:03 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
17:11:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
17:11:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
17:11:10 >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
17:11:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY.
17:11:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, MARTIN
SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.
THURSDAY, MARCH 24, 2022, AND WE ARE HERE IN CITY HALL
IN PERSON.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN EITHER ATTEND IN PERSON OR BY
DOING SO VIRTUALLY THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING AS
FLORIDA STATUTES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
BE ADVISED THAT THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE
TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW ON FRONTIER CHANNEL 16 AND ON
THE INTERNET AT TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM NOW REGISTRATION
IS NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN A PUBLIC
HEARING ON QUASIJUDICIAL LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE INFORMATION TO DO SO
INCLUDING SCHEDULE AND LINKS AND DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS,
THE WEB SITE IS TAMPA.GOV/QUASI, Q-U-A-S-I, QUASI, AND
AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT
TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE VIA CMT, YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS
TO A COMMUNICATION MEDIA DEVICE WITH A CAMERA AND COMPUTER
AND EQUIPPED WITH MICROPHONE TO BE HEARD AND SEEN BY
VIDEO AND AUDIO FOR CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER
PARTICIPANTS.
FOR THE SPECIFIC TWO-WAY VIDEO, CELL PHONES AND
SMARTPHONES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE AS THEY WILL NOT ALLOW
YOU TO SHARE YOUR CAMERA WHEN CONNECTED.
NOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE AS I SAID ON THE
CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AND FOR THE PURPOSES ARE OF THE
RECORD, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST MOVE THAT INTO
THE RECORD TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED LATER -- CAN WE DO
THAT NOW.
17:13:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION.
17:13:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
17:13:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED?
MOTION GRANTED.
17:13:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE WE GO ON TO TONIGHT'S HEARING,
A REMINDER OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION, COUNCIL.
IF YOU HAD EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, VERBAL OR TEXT OR
ANYTHING THAT HAS NOT PUT IN THE QUASI BOX OR UPLOADED
FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION, MAKE SURE DO YOU SO BEFORE THE
HEARING STARTS.
ALSO, IF YOU RECEIVE -- AND I AM GOING TO ASK THE
PUBLIC TO PLEASE AVOID COMMUNICATING WITH CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS ELECTRONICALLY DURING THE MEETING, AND I ASK
COUNCIL TO AVOID LOOKING AT THOSE.
THAT WILL BE INAPPROPRIATE.
THERE IS A DEADLINE INVOLVED, AND THIS IS IN THE
INSTRUCTIONS.
ALSO, WITH REGARD TO THE GO TO MEETING PLATFORM FOR
THOSE OF YOU IN THE PUBLIC ON THE GO TO MEETING
PLATFORM, THAT IS A CHAT BOX BUT NOT USED TO
COMMUNICATE WITH CITY COUNCIL ON ANYTHING RELATING TO
THE SUBJECT OF THE HEARING.
ONLY TO BE USED IF NEEDED FOR TECHNICAL ISSUES AND
REMAIN MINDFUL OF THAT.
ALSO I BELIEVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT MR. VIERA IS
APPEARING VIRTUALLY TONIGHT.
SO, THEREFORE, WITH REGARD TO VOTES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO
BE ROLL CALL VOTES TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS PARTICIPATION.
AND BECAUSE WE ARE STILL USING CMT AND HAVE YET TO
UPDATE THE COUNCIL'S RULES, CONSISTENT WITH THE RULES
AND ADVICE I HAVE EXPRESSED AND PUTTING INTO THE
RECORD, I WILL ASK THAT YOU WAIVE YOUR STANDING RULES
AND ADOPT THE RULES FOR CMT TONIGHT.
17:14:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
17:14:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
17:14:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIED.
17:14:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
17:14:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
ITEM NUMBER 1.
17:14:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA HAS OPENED.
SECONDED BY CITRO.
IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
MOTION GRANTED.
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
17:15:06 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 1, COUNCILMEMBERS IS AN AMENDMENT OR FIRST
ENDMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY
OF TAMPA AND TAMPA BAY 1 LCC, THE DEVELOPER MIDTOWN AND
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RELATES TO THE MIDTOWN
DEVELOPMENT.
PURSUANT TO THE MIDTOWN PLAT, A PERMANENT NONEXCLUSIVE
30-FOOT EASEMENT FOR STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE USE.
THE DEVELOPER HAS REQUESTED ALLOWANCE FOR ANA LIMITED
ENCROACHMENT INTO THIS DRAINAGE EASEMENT AREA FOR THE
PURPOSE OF PUTTING A CANOPY STRUCTURE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UNDER THE PLAT, ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE DRAINAGE
EASEMENT AREAS ARE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS THEY ARE ALLOWED
IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT DOES NOT ALLOW THE ENCROACHMENT THAT
DEVELOPERS ALLOW.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT ALLOWS FOR THAT ENCROACHMENT, AND WE
HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF, STORMWATER DEPARTMENT STAFF,
AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALLOWING THIS LIMITED
ENCROACHMENT INTO THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AREA.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE DEVELOPER'S
REPRESENTATIVE MARK BENTLEY IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS FOR HIM A.
AND PUBLIC HEARING PURSUANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT ACT.
17:16:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS VELEZ.
IF NOT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
17:16:27 >> THANK YOU, SUSAN.
MY NAME IS MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET,
33602.
I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER TAMPA BAY ONE ALSO KNOWN AS
MIDTOWN.
WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHEN WE ZONED
THE PROPERTY IN 2018 IS JUST FOR A COUPLE OF MINOR
ENCROACHMENTS FOR AWNING FOR RETAIL AND ENCROACHMENT
INTO A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
UNDER THE AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU, THE CITY HAS THE
ABILITY TO REQUEST THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BE REMOVED AT ANY
POINT IN TIME.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE.
I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK LOOK HERE.
THE OVERHEAD.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THIS PICTURE HERE.
KIND OF A BETTER WAY.
THIS IS AN OVERHANG.
FOR THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT, I WILL CALL IT.
AND JUST A MINOR AREA IN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
WE HAVE THIS RETAIL HERE.
YOU SEE THIS OVERHANG HERE.
THAT IS TECHNICALLY A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS WELL.
YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS SUPPORTED HERE, AT LEAST
TEMPORARILY.
THOSE ARE REMOVABLE SUPPORTS.
THAT IS WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS ABOUT.
ANY QUESTIONS.
LIKE SUSAN INDICATED ALL THE STAFF REVIEWED IT AND THEY
CONCUR AND SUPPORT IT.
17:17:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, WE ARE RECOGNIZED.
[INAUDIBLE]
17:17:57 >> PARDON ME.
17:17:58 >> YES, THERE IS.
17:18:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
17:18:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ELSE FOR MR. BENTLEY?
ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
SEEING NONE.
17:18:16 >>CLERK:
NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
17:18:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION.
17:18:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
17:18:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION GRANTED.
17:18:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH REGARD FOR THIS ITEM, NO ACTION
TO BE TAKEN AT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
I ASK THAT THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TO BE ANNOUNCED BY
THE CLERK.
AND THAT WILL BE --
17:18:38 >>CLERK:
THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD APRIL
7 AT 9:30 A.M.
17:18:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
2022.
17:18:45 >>CLERK:
2022, YES.
17:18:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND AT
THAT TIME, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, THERE WILL BE AGREEMENT TO
TAKE ACTION ON.
THANK YOU.
17:19:02 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
17:19:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, THE ITEMS --
17:19:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
STATUTORILY, YOU CONDUCTED YOUR FIRST
PUBLIC HEARING.
MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
17:19:15 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
THE FIRST OF TWO REQUIRED STATUTORY HEARINGs.
17:19:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 2.
17:19:25 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF.
I AM HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH IS A PLAN
ENDMENT.
AND I WILL SHARE THE SCREEN WHENEVER I HAVE PERMISSION
TO.
THIS IS THE PLAN AMENDMENT TA/CPA 21-25.
IT IS PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.
SMALL SCALE AT 7.65 ACRES AND THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU
IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 TO REGIONAL MIXED USE-100.
LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT WITHIN
THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND YBOR PARK URBAN VILLAGE.
THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN THE YELLOW.
THE YELLOW DASHED LINE REPRESENTS THE YBOR HISTORIC
DISTRICT.
AND DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.
THERE IS NUCCIO PARKWAY TO THE SOUTH.
EAST AVENUE TO THE NORTH AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS
LOCATED FURTHER SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND YBOR IS
LOCATED NORTH AND NORTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
THIS IS THE TAMPA PARK PROPERTY.
TAMPA PARK APARTMENTS SOUTH.
THERE ARE SOME PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN SEVERAL MONTHS
AGO SO I THINK THINGS HAVE RAPIDLY CHANGED SINCE THEN.
WE ARE LOOKING EAST TO THE SUBJECT SITE FROM EAST
MARYLAND AVENUE.
THIS ONE WE ARE LOOKING WEST TOWARD THE SUBJECT SITE
FROM NUCCIO PARKWAY.
LOOKING NORTH TORWARD THE SUBJECT SITE FROM EAST SCOTT
DRIVE.
LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARD BT WASHINGTON ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL FROM THE INTERSECTION OF EAST SCOTT STREET AND
EAST SCOTT DRIVE.
AND HERE IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO THE THREE PARCELS ARE COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
AND I WILL NOTE THAT TO THE NORTH, TWO PARCELS OF THE
NORTH AND IT HAS NOT YET BEEN ADOPTED -- HAS NOT YET
BEEN REFLECTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE WE
HAVE TO UPDATE THOSE QUARTERLY.
PARK NORTH WHICH IS URBAN MIXED USE-60 AND THE THREE
PARCELS TO THE SOUTH.
THE GREEN IS A PARK THAT WAS ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED UNDER
THE PARK PROJECT -- TAMPA PARK PARK, I BELIEVE.
WE HAVE REGIONAL MIXED USE-100 IN THE AREA.
SOME REMAINING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT IS THE GRAY
COLOR.
THE DARK MAROON.
AND URBAN MIXED USE-60 NORTH OF 8TH STREET.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP WILL
RECOGNIZE THESE PARCELS UNDER THE MIXED REGIONAL 100
LAND USE DESIGNATION.
AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF THAT IN THE
SURROUNDING AREA ALREADY.
THIS WOULD INCREASE THE IMPACT -- THE DEVELOPMENT
POTENTIAL FROM ABOUT 267 UNITS TO 765 UNITS.
WILL ALSO GREATLY INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM
600,000 SQUARE FEET TO MILLION SQUARE FEET AND WILL
OFFER DENSITY AND INTENSITY AND INTRODUCE THE RM-35,
THE RM-50, THE RM 75 AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING
DISTRICT WILL BE ALLOWED IF THIS IS APPROVED -- OR WILL
BE CONSIDERED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOUND THIS CONSISTENT
WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RELATED TO THE CITY'S
DESIGN POLICY AND CITY'S PLANNING STRATEGY.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH
THE FACT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THE
CITY'S POPULATION WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND HOUSING
OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE CREATED TO MEET THE PRESENT --
THE NEEDS OF ITS PRESENT AND FUTURE POPULATION.
A POLICY IN THE PLAN TO HAVE THEM GO TOWARD URBAN
VILLAGES AND LOCATED IN AN URBAN VILLAGE.
THIS WILL -- ALSO, THERE ARE PARCELS RM-100.
TO THE EAST 400 -- YES, I APOLOGIZE.
TO THE EAST ABOUT 400 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
WE FOUND IT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE UNDERLYING.
WITH THE SURROUNDING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.
WE FOUND THAT WILL PROVIDE CONTINUITY OF THE RMU-100.
AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SENSITIVITY TO THE AREA, LOWER
INTENSITY LAND USES.
ONE LAST THING SINCE IT IS ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE YBOR
LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON-SITE WILL NEED TO ASSURE IT
IS NOT GOING TO EFFECT THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BY
CREATING AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION THAT IS APPROPRIATE,
COMPATIBLE.
AND PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE THIS CONSISTENT.
STAFF IS ON THE LINE.
AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS AS WELL.
AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
17:24:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AVAILABLE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE?
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
17:24:28 >> TYLER HUDSON.
MY ADDRESS 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
IT IS WONDERFUL TO BE BACK IN THIS ROOM AGAIN.
IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.
I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE.
CAN YOU SEE THIS?
17:25:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE IT, SIR.
17:25:12 >> JUST TO GO ON TOP OF WHAT JENNIFER SAID.
THE AREA SHADED IN BLUE IS THE GAS WORX PROJECT THAT
COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH.
THE YELLOW DOTTED LINE IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHAT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR OF THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION
THAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS REALLY A
CONTINUATION OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ONE APPLICATION
THAT GOT SPLIT INTO TWO FOR REASONS I WILL GO INTO FOR
A SECOND.
TA/CPA 21-20.
THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL IN JANUARY.
ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THIS AS ONE ENTIRE ACTION.
THE COUNCIL MAY RECALL THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED THE
PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT THAT UNDER STATE LAW,
YOU WILL HAVE TO ADOPT INTO A TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT CREATED SOME TIMING ISSUES FOR A LOT OF AMENDMENTS
AND FOR REASONS.
SURROUNDED BY TRAVELERS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WE HAD TO
BREAK THE AMENDMENT INTO TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
AND THE PORTIONS THAT ARE NEXT TO THE GREEN AREAS,
LABELED ONE, TWO AND THREE.
JENNIFER HIT THE KEY BASES.
IT IS TO THE EAST, SOUTHEAST AND TO THE WEST OF THE
SITE.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONSISTENCY FINDING UNANIMOUSLY
ON VALENTINE'S DAY OF THIS YEAR.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED CONSISTENCY.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE THAT I HAVE TO SHOW.
AND THIS IS FROM 2006.
THIS IS THE CRA PLAN THAT THE -- THAT YOUR PREDECESSOR
SITTING FOR THE CRA ADOPTED FOR CENTRAL PARK AND SHOW
THIS PRECISE SITE AS BEING -- RECOMMENDING RMU-100 FROM
A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE.
I AM NOT SURE 16 YEARS AGO YOUR -- IT WAS ON CRA THE
PREDECESSORS WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THE GROWTH THAT THE
CITY WOULD EXPERIENCE AND WE BELIEVE IT IS AN
APPROPRIATE DENSIFICATION FOR THE PARCELS THAT YOUR
EXPERT STAFF AGREES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGREES.
AND ALL OF THIS DENSITY THAT YOU SEE IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA WILL GET IMPLEMENTED
BY ZONING AS IS WELL AWARE.
THIS SITE IS THE SUBJECT OF A PENDING REZONING 21-114
THAT WILL COME TO YOU IN THE FUTURE.
FILED AND A PD FOR GAS WORX THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE AND
WHERE THE DETAILS WILL GET FLESHED OUT AND WHAT TO DO
WITH THE DENSITY.
WE ARE ASKING TO YOU APPROVE THE CONTINUATION OF
ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THIS APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF
DENSITY.
AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT
HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
17:27:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
17:27:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR.
17:28:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
17:28:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD, MR. CARLSON.
17:28:07 >>BILL CARLSON:
MISS MALONE MENTIONED THE ARC.
THEY DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION, BUT SOMETHING -- IF IT IS
NOT APPLICABLE, SINCE SHE MENTIONED IT, CAN YOU
EXPLAIN?
17:28:19 >> CERTAINLY APPLICABLE.
LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION INCLUDING ZONINGS NEED TO
BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE LAND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ISN'T IN THE YBOR
CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS
REPLETE WITH PROS YOU NEED TO BE SENSITIVE ON THE
PERIPHERY OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND WHAT THIS SITE WILL
NEED TO SHOW IN ORDER TO GET THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT.
JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT DOESN'T
MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T BE MINDFUL.
AND AN AREA WHERE YOU WILL HAVE HIGH DENSITY
REQUIREMENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WILL BE ON AN
APPLICANT IN A REZONING FOR THIS LAND TO SHOW THAT YOU
IT HAS BEEN APPROPRIATELY TAILORED.
17:29:04 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
17:29:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOING SOMEWHERE SIMILAR TO THAT VEIN.
IN COMPARISON TO ENCORE, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE
STREET, WHICH IS ALSO UNDER THE CRA, WOULD THIS BE
CONSISTENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENCES THAT ARE
ALLOWED IN ENCORE -- THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN ENCORE?
17:29:25 >> I AM NOT SURE -- JENNIFER -- IN MY VIEW, YES, IT
WILL BE, ALL OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS RMU-100.
I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH ENCORE
ALL OF WHICH -- THIS IS IN THE SAME CRA AS ENCORE,
CENTRAL PARK.
SO JUST EXTENDING --
17:29:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST TRYING GET A LITTLE COMPARISON.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
17:29:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
SEEING NONE.
ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
17:30:06 >>CLERK:
JEAN STROHMEYER BUT SHE IS NOT LOGGED ON.
17:30:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION.
17:30:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
17:30:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION GRANTED.
MR. CARLSON, TAKE NUMBER 2.
17:30:16 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER
TA/CPA 21-25, IMAGINE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE
LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY
GA MILLION COURT AND 1314 NUCCIO PARKWAY FROM COMMUNITY
MIXED USE-35, TO REGIONAL MIXED USE-100, PROVIDING FOR
REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND PROVIDED FOR SEVERABILITY
PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.
JUST TO ADD THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND CONSISTENT.
17:31:03 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
17:31:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
17:31:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
17:31:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
17:31:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT GOMILLION IS.
17:31:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAY BE ONE OF THE COURTS IN TAMPA
PARK.
17:31:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE NAME OF SOMEBODY, DO YOU KNOW?
17:31:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.
17:31:33 >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL THESE HISTORIANS AND NOBODY KNOWS.
17:31:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE NAMES IN THE OLD TAMPA PARK PLAZA
ARE NAMED AFTER SOMEBODY.
17:31:41 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF ANYBODY WATCHING HAS IT, PLEASE
E-MAIL US.
17:31:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 3.
17:31:49 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE AGAIN.
NUMBER 3 IS TA/CPA 21-28 LOCATED ON CLUSTER AVENUE IN THE
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE IN THE OLD SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
HERE IT IS OUTLINED IN BLUE THIS TIME EAST OF NORTH
FLORIDA AVENUE BO'S ICE CREAM SHOP LOCATED TO THE
SOUTH.
SELF-STORAGE FACILITY TO THE NORTH ALONG NORTH FLORIDA
AVENUE AND A VARIETY OF USES, COMMERCIAL USES, CAR
DEALERSHIPS --
17:32:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ONE SECOND.
CCTV, OUR MONITORS ARE NOT WORKING -- HERE WE GO.
YOU MAY CONTINUE.
17:32:27 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
OKAY.
SO AS WE CAN SEE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN
BLUE, EAST OF NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
I WILL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO TAKE IN THE AERIAL, BUT
THERE IS A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY, SOME CAR DEALERSHIPS,
AND THE AMERICAN LEGION PARK IN THE AREA AS WELL, THEN
ALONG EAST CLUSTER WHICH IS WHERE THE SUBJECT SITE IS
LOCATED A LOT OF SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
IT IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT, PRIVATELY INITIATED.
.35 ACRE FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20.
THIS IS ONE OF THE SUBJECT SITES.
THE SUBJECT SITE BUT TWO PARCELS.
203 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.
THIS IS 201 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.
THIS IS THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN
IDEA WHAT IS ALONG EAST CLUSTER AVENUE.
AND THEN THIS IS FACING EAST.
SO NORTH FLORIDA IS BEHIND ME WHEN I TOOK THIS PICTURE.
AND THEN THIS IS ONE BLOCK TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE
JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA FACING WEST.
AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE VERY CLOSE ALONG NORTH
FLORIDA AVENUE.
SO THIS IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS YOU CAN
SEE.
RESIDENTIAL-10.
IT IS ALSO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35 ALONG NORTH FLORIDA
AVENUE WHICH IS THE RED COLOR.
TO THE SOUTH IS THE AMERICAN LEGION PARK IN THE GREEN.
THERE IS ALSO SOME PROPERTY OWNED BY SOME NONPROFITS IN
THE AMERICAN LEGION.
PUBLIC, SEMIPUBLIC.
FURTHER SOUTH ALONG EAST SLIGH IS MIXED USE 35, WHICH IS
THE PINK COLOR THAT ALLOWS A LOT OF THOSE COMMERCIAL
USES AS WELL.
RESIDENTIAL-20 IS ALSO WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA
WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ON THE
PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO THIS WOULD GIVE A SMALL INCREASE IN DENSITY.
IT WOULD GO FROM THREE DWELLING UNITS TO SEVEN DWELLING
UNITS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.
THE NONESSENTIAL SQUARE FEET FROM 5,000 TO 7,000.
SUBJECT SITE WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET LOCATIONAL
CRITERIA FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES.
SO THAT IS -- IT IS STILL A REQUIREMENT IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHIN THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL-20
FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS CONSISTENT
WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLAN OF USES FROM THE CORE
COMMERCIAL AREAS FROM THE SURROUNDING STABLE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WE DID FIND THAT -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND
THAT -- SINCE IT IS VERY INTENSE ALONG NORTH FLORIDA
AVENUE THERE ARE WILL BE A SENSITIVE STEP DOWN FROM
THOSE USES ALONG NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
AS YOU KNOW, THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE, THERE
WAS A PLANNING EFFORT IN 2009, GREATER SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
VISION PLAN, AND THAT IS KINDS OF WHERE SOME OF THIS
LANGUAGE COMES FROM AS WELL AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK
AT THIS VISION PLAN FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AREA.
AND THE PROVISION FOR GROWTH TO URBAN VILLAGES TO MEET
THE NEED FOR TAMPA'S GROWING POPULATION.
THERE IS ALSO A PROVISION IN THE PLAN CALLED THE
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS NODE BONUS THAT ALLOW FOR COMPATIBLE
INFILL TO HAVE TRANSIT OUT OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS THAT
CAME OUT OF THE 2009 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS VISION PLAN.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS WOULD -- THE NODE
BONUS OF THE 25% INCREASE ABOVE THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND
USE AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL HELP -- THIS WOULD PROMOTE
LEGALIZATION OF THAT IN THIS AREA AND IT IS IN A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE INCREASED HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.
IT IS IN A GREAT SITUATION.
AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND IT CONSISTENT
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE CITY STAFF
IS HERE, BUT THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS AS WELL.
17:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE,
GENTLEMEN?
ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
17:36:38 >>CLERK:
NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS TO CLOSE ON THE ITEM.
17:36:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION GRANTED.
MR. MANISCALCO.
17:36:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE
LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY
LOCATED 201 AND 203 EAST CLUSTER AVENUE FROM
RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20.
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD AND THIS IS MY MOTION.
17:37:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
17:37:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.
17:37:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
17:37:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
17:37:20 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
17:37:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
17:37:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
17:37:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
17:37:29 >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY TO APRIL 21, 2022
AT 9:30 A.M.
17:37:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 4.
17:37:38 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE IF YOUR PLANNING
COMMISSION.
ITEM NUMBER 4 FILE NO. TA/CPA 21-30.
THIS IS IN THE TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT AND PALMETTO
POLICE AND WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
IT IS EAST OF SOUTH 20TH STREET.
IT'S SEVERAL PARCELS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF -- JUST
LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THE CORNER OF SOUTH 22ND AND MAPLE
AND OAKWOOD.
TWO PARCELS ON MAPLE.
ONE ON OAKWOOD.
THE SOUTH 22ND STREET IS CHARACTERIZED BY COMMERCIAL
USES BUT THE INTERNAL LOCAL STREETS HAVE A LOT OF
RESIDENTIAL USES ON THEM AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE
INDUSTRIAL ALONG SOUTH 20TH STREET.
AND WE HAVE THE BAY TO THE EAST.
THIS IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT APPROXIMATELY 5.3 ACRES
AND REQUEST FROM 24 TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
HERE IS THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG OAKWOOD AVENUE FACING
NORTH.
THE INTERSECTION OF MAPLE AVENUE AND SOUTH 22ND STREET.
MAPLE AVENUE FACING EAST.
THE SUBJECT SITE WAS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE
SCREEN.
THIS IS JUST A -- JUST A STANDARD PICTURE OF THE TYPE
OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG MAPLE AVENUE.
AND THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 WHICH IS THE PINK COLOR ALONG
SOUTH 22ND STREET THAT ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND
PROMOTES A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE SALMON COLOR IS TRANSITIONAL USE-24.
THAT PLAN CATEGORY GOES BACK TO THE TIME BEFORE
PLANNING AND ZONING ESSENTIALLY.
STAND ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES.
IT ALLOWS FOR SOME INDUSTRIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL USES
SO YOU CAN SEE IN PALMETTO BEACH, A LOT OF THIS AREA
HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
ALLOWABLE USE UNDER 24.
THE LIGHT GRAY AND DARK GRAY ARE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND
LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOW THESE THREE
PARCELS AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
AS WICK SEE ALREADY THAT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY
PRESENT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THIS WOULD INCREASE THE POTENTIAL OF DWELLING UNITS
FROM 12 TO 18, AND WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF
NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 34,000 TO 46,000.
SO OVERALL ALLOW FOR DWELLING UNITS AND NONREFERRING.
AND TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH INDUSTRIAL GENERAL ZONED
USES.
SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE TRANSITIONAL USE 24
BUT NOT UNDER THE REQUESTED COMMUNITY MIXED 35.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THIS CONSISTENT
WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE POLICIES I HAVE
LISTED ON THE SCREEN ARE WHAT CITED IN OUR
CONSISTENCY FINDING THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE
RESOLUTION.
THEY FOUND THE PLAN SUPPORTS THE TRANSPORTATION OF
CORRIDORS WITH A BROADER MIX OF USES AND PALMETTO BEACH
CAN BENEFIT FROM INCREASE IN DENSITY AND INTENSITY TO
ALLOW FOR THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THIS AREA.
AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD SUPPORT
WALKING AND THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THIS CONSISTENT
WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
CITY STAFF IS HERE, BUT THEY HAD NO OBJECTION.
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
17:41:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MALONE?
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
17:41:37 >> GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN, TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH
ASHLEY DRIVE.
I AM THE APPLICANT FOR THE PARTICULAR MAP AMENDMENT.
I WANT TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT JENNIFER
NOTED.
WE ARE FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE IT IS.
THIS -- THERE IS A DEINDUSTRIAL ELEMENT TO THIS.
TRANSITIONAL USE-24 IS A CATEGORY, AS JENNIFER ALLUDED
TO, USED FOR PROPERTY THAT YOU PROCEED WITH A PLANNING
AND ZONING STATUS.
IF YOU CAN -- IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE 24, IT WOULD LOOK
LIKE A QUESTION MARK AND IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE
DIRECTION, THE DEVELOPMENT EFFORT IS MATERIALIZING.
GIVEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TA-24 AND CMU-35, AND
JENNIFER ALLUDED TO THE IMPORTANT PARTS, NO LONGER
ALLOW INDUSTRIAL IN THE RESIDENTIAL EMERGING MIXED USE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE DENSITY IS A MODEST 25% FROM 24 UNITS AN ACRE TO 30
UNITS.
INTENSITY IN TERMS OF WHAT IS BY RIGHT, THE FOLKS CAN
COME PAY FOR BONUS DENSITY.
WHAT YOU GET BY RIGHT IS A DECREASE.
GET FOR FREE A 1.5 F.A.R. AND GO DOWN TO A 1.0.
OPPORTUNITIES TO BUY UP THAT THROUGH, AGAIN, THE BONUS
PROCESS THAT COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH.
FROM AN INTENSITY STAT REDUCTION IN WHAT IS BY RIGHT.
AS JENNIFER NOTED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS
CONSISTENT.
THIS IS UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP AND WE ARE WORKING WITH
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON WHAT EVENTUALLY THE REZONING FOR
THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE TO KNIT ALL THIS TOGETHER,
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE OF THE
FUTURE LAND USE THAT WILL SHAPE THE ORIGINAL REZONING.
JENNIFER CALLED IT "SALMON."
THE RED COLOR.
TU-24 IS NOT MENTIONED A LOT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHERE IT IS MENTIONED IT IS NOT MENTIONED PARTICULARLY
FAVORABLY WITH THE UNDERLINE ON THE STREAM, THE
LONG-TERM STRATEGY OF THE CITY IS TO REDUCE NUMBER OF
PARCELS DESIGNATED AS TU-24.
NOT COME FROM SOME BROAD CITY ACTION OR THE CITY
INITIATES IT ON THEIR OWN.
IT COMES FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT YOU SEE BETTER
DIRECTION AND MORE DEATH-DEFYING INFORMATION OF WHAT
THEY WANT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE LIKE.
FROM TU-24 AND STAFF WILL PROBABLY AGREE IS THE NEXT
INCREMENTAL STEP UP WHICH WOULD BE A CMU-35
DESIGNATION.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADDRESSES THE SOUTH TAMPA
PLANNING DISTRICT, SOUTH TAMPA, AND OTHER PLANNING
DISTRICTS THE CITY.
AND THE URBAN CORE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
PALMETTO BEACH MAY BE A LITTLE STRETCH TO CALL IT A
URBAN PERIPHERY BUT CLOSE TO THE HIGHER DENSITY
EMERGING PARTS OF THE CITY AND PLANNED PROVISIONS ARE
ON YOUR SCREEN FOR THE BENEFITS.
HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING.
THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
WHILE A MIXTURE OF USE COULD INCLUDE INDUSTRIAL, BUT
NOT EVERYBODY WILL THINK THAT INDUSTRIAL IS
INCOMPATIBLE IN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
BY APPROVING THIS, WE GET AWAY FROM THAT.
22ND STREET.
IN IS THE IKEA -- YOU TAKE THE IKEA AND GO DOWN IS
PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL.
AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXTURE OF
USES TO CREATE SORT OF THE 15-MINUTE CITY IF YOU LIVE
IN PALMETTO BEACH, YOU CAN WALK TO GET SUNDRIES AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE CM U-35 IS MORE ACCOMMODATING THAN THE TU-24 WOULD
BE.
THIS IS THE TAMPA CENTRAL PLANNING DISTRICT.
ANTICIPATION OF -- CMU-35 IS A LOW TO MODERATE LAND USE
CATEGORY.
AS WE ALLUDED, THIS IS NOT NEXT TO DOWNTOWN AND WOULD
NOT --
17:45:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. HUDSON, MOST OF YOUR INDUSTRIALS
IF I RECALL OF PALMETTO BEACH AREAS IS TO THE
SOUTHWEST.
17:45:38 >> INTO THE WEST DIRECTLY AND NIGHTTIME SOUTH.
THIS IS GETTING TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE RESIDENTIAL
CLUSTER.
17:45:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHERE THE T IS.
17:45:48 >> CORRECT.
WE ARE OVER WHERE THE -- WHERE THE STAR IS.
WE ARE FAIRLY FAR EAST.
WE ARE ONLY A BLOCK OFF THE WATER TO THE WEST.
THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
17:46:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUDSON.
ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
17:46:14 >>CLERK:
NO ONE REGISTERED.
17:46:15 >> MOTION.
17:46:16 >> SECOND.
17:46:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION GRANTED.
NUMBER 4, MR. CITRO.
17:46:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
ITEM NUMBER 4 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND
USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY 2015 AND 2017 MAPLE AVENUE AND
2020 OAKWOOD AVENUE FROM TRANSITIONAL USE-24, TU-24 TO
COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35, CMU-35.
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT;
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FOUND IN AMENDMENT
CONSISTENT.
17:47:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
17:47:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL.
17:47:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
17:47:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
17:47:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
17:47:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
17:47:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
17:47:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
17:47:18 >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION WILL BE APRIL 21, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
17:47:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
GUDES OPEN.
17:47:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OPEN NOW 5-9.
17:47:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.
MOTION.
OPPOSED.
ITEM NUMBER 5.
17:47:44 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
CAN I PLEASE BE SWORN IN ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE
STAFF.
17:47:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CLERK WILL SWEAR EVERYONE IN.
[SWEARING IN]
17:48:10 >>CATE WELLS:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, CATE
WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
17:48:20 >>CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[SWEARING IN]
17:48:24 >>CATE WELLS:
MY APOLOGIES.
17:48:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SHE GOT TO DO HER THING.
17:48:31 >>CATE WELLS:
ABSOLUTELY, I FORGET OF THE VIRTUAL
COMPONENT.
I'M HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 5, CATE WELLS, WITH ME IS
SENIOR CITY ATTORNEY IN THE LITIGATION PRACTICE GROUP.
THIS ITEM IS BEFORE COUNCIL BASED ON THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION FROM A REQUEST
FOR RELIEF FILED BY WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS LCC PURSUANT
TO SECTION 70.51 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
KNOWN AS THE FLORIDA LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE
RESOLUTION ACT.
I WANT TO MAKE A FEW SHORT COMMENTS BEFORE PROVIDING
THE HISTORY OF THIS AND THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED
SETTLEMENT.
UNLIKE THE STANDARD REZONING APPLICATIONS SCHEDULED FOR
YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, ANY TIME CITY COUNCIL
CONSIDERS A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL, YOUR ROLE IS
LEGISLATIVE AND ALLOW COUNCILS TO CONSIDER ITEMS
OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE
IMPACT AND PUBLIC INTEREST RESULTING FROM THE PROPOSED
SETTLEMENT.
AFTER I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HEAR FROM
SCOTT STEADY, WHO WAS RETAINED BY THE CITY AND
WHITFIELD TO BE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
ONCE MR. STEADY MAKES HIS PRESENTATION ON THE MEDIATION
PROCESS WE FOLLOWED AND EXPLAINS HIS RECOMMENDATION,
YOU WILL HEAR FROM CITY STAFF, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE PUBLIC, AND I RECOMMEND THAT
YOU CONCLUDE THE HEARING ONCE PROVIDE THE APPLICANT
WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.
AND FINALLY, AS YOU CONSIDER THE TESTIMONY IN EVIDENCE
ENTERED INTO THE RECORD OF TONIGHT'S HEARING, PLEASE
REMEMBER THAT ALTHOUGH THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S REPORT
AND RECOMMENDATION IS A PUBLIC RECORD, ACTIONS AND
STATEMENTS OF REPRESENTATIVES IS AN OFFER OF COMPROMISE
AND INADMISSIBLE IN ANY PROCEEDING.
I MENTION THIS IN THE FACT THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED THAT
THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING PRECEDENT IF YOU ADOPT
AND ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION AT
YOUR JANUARY 21, 2021 MEETING 16 MONTHS AGO, CITY
COUNCIL DENIED FROM IH TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
MULTIFAMILY PROJECT CONTAINING 299 DWELLING UNITS
57BDZ,000-SQUARE-FEET OF RETAIL SPACE WITHIN A
FOUR-STORY BUILDING.
CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION TO DENY FOCUSED ON A FEW AREAS
INCLUDING INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED INTENSITY OF
DEVELOPMENT AND FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, WHICH
PROVIDES IN PART A PROPOSED LAND DEVELOPMENT REZONING
THAT ABUTS EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS
TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, NEWS DEMONSTRATE
THROUGH DESIGNED AND ACCEPTED PRACTICES THAT THE
OCCUPANT OF THE NEW USE ISSUED NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK OF
SUCH HAZARDS, FEBRUARY 19, 2021, WOODFIELD FILED A
REQUEST FOR RELIEF PURSUANT TO 51 AND A SEPARATE
THREE-COUNT COMPLAINT IN CIRCUIT COURT WHICH INCLUDES A
PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI AND COMPLAINT OF 42 USC
SECTION 1983 THAT ALLEGES THAT COUNCIL'S DECISION
VIOLATED WOODFIELD'S CONSTITUTIONAL DISAGREE.
MISS HARGRETT IS HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING
THE LEGISLATION WHICH IS STAYED PENDING THE OUTCOME OF
THIS PROCEEDING.
NOW TURNING YOUR ATTENTION BACK TO THE PROCEDURAL
HISTORY OF THIS APPLICATION.
WHEN THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF WAS ORIGINALLY FILED WITH
THE CITY, MY OFFICE PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH THE
MEMORANDUM DESCRIBING THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING
UNDER 70-51 THAT INCLUDES THE TWO-STEP PROCESS.
THE FIRST OF WHICH REQUIRES THE SPECIAL MANAGE STRAIGHT
TO CONDUCT AN INFORMAL MEDIATION OF WHICH THE CITY AND
WHITFIELD CONSIDERED ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENTS RESPONSE
STOVE COUNCIL'S DECISION OF DENIAL ON THE APPLICATION.
IN THIS CASE, THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CONDUCTED FOUR
SEPARATE MEDIATIONS BETWEEN MAY AND OCTOBER OF 2021.
DURING THE FINAL MEDIATION, WOODFIELD PRESENTED TWO
ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS ATTENDED TO ADDRESS THE BASIS
FOR COUNCIL'S DENIAL.
COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
WHO ELECTED TO PARTICIPATE AND FROM CITY
REPRESENTATIVES.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE FOURTH MEDIATION, THE CITY,
WHITFIELD AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FELT THAT PROGRESS
HAD BEEN MADE AND AGREED TO COOPERATE AND FINALIZE THE
SITE PLANS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE BY ORDERED ISSUED DECEMBER 2,
2021, RECOMMENDS THAT CITY COUNCIL ACCEPT THIS
PROPOSAL.
AND THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS WENT THROUGH DRC REVIEW
ON DECEMBER 15.
SO TONIGHT'S HEARING IS PART OF THE FIRST STEP OF THE
ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL TO
CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS AS A PROPOSED
SETTLEMENT.
IF CITY COUNCIL REJECTS THE MEDIATED RESOLUTION, THE
SECOND STEP IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WILL COMMENCE
AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HOLD A HEARING TO
CONSIDER THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES SET FORTH IN THE
REQUEST FOR RELIEF.
TO DETERMINE WHETHER CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION IN JANUARY
OF LAST YEAR WAS UNREASONABLE FOR UNFAIRLY BURDENS THE
PROPERTY.
THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS
DENIED A YEAR AGO.
AS MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN REQUESTED APPROVAL
FOR 299 UNITS, WHICH AMOUNTS TO A DENSITY OF
APPROXIMATELY 35 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE.
THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ARE
BASED UPON WHETHER CHEMICAL FORMULATORS VERY LOW KATE
ITS BUSINESS FROM THE CURRENT LOCATION AT 5215 W. TYSON
AVENUE.
THE FIRST SITE PLAN PREMISED UPON CFI REMAINING IN ITS
CURRENT POSITION PROPOSE TODAY MITIGATE THE IMPACTS
PRESENTED BY CFIS REQUIRED BY LAND USE POLICIES 8.11.5.
DURING THE MEDIATION, CITY REPRESENTATIVES MADE IT
CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT THAT THE CITY'S WILLING
CONTINUES TO PRESENT AND SUPPORT THE PROPOSED
SETTLEMENT SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED AS EVIDENCE OF
COMPLIANCE WITH THIS POLICY.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S BURDEN AND ONE THEY MUST
ESTABLISH DURING TONIGHT'S HEARING.
THE SECOND SITE PLAN SHOWS THE PROPOSED PLAN OF
DEVELOPMENT IF CFI TERMINATES ITS OPERATION.
WE WILL HEAR FROM STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HO WHO
PROVIDE MANY MORE DETAILS ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLANS
THEN I AM GOING TO GIVE OUGHT THIS MOMENT.
GENERALLY REDUCED NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS FROM 299 TO
226 AT A DENSITY OF 27 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE.
IN DENSITY IS COMPARABLE TO OTHER PROJECTS THE CITY
COUNCIL HAS APPROVED ON RATTLESNAKE POINT.
THE SITE PLANS SHOW THE PARKING GARAGES BEING ENCLOSED
MODIFIED TO HAVE THE LOWER DENSITY AND A BUFFER FROM
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE WOODFIELD AND CHEMICAL
FORMULATORS TO THE SOUTH.
THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE BEEN MOVED AWAY FROM THE
SOUTHEAST PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
AND THE APPLICANT YOU HAS VOLUNTARILY OFFERED A PAYMENT
OF $174,000 TO BE APPLIED TO IMPROVEMENT TO TYSON
AVENUE IS IN ADDITION TO THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE
MITIGATION FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW
TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE AND MITIGATION
PAYMENT FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE INNER BAY DISTRICT.
THIS PAYMENT IS VOLUNTARY AND NOT REQUIRED BY THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF APPROVED THE SITE PLANS AND ZONING EXPRESSLY PROVIDE
THAT CITY COUNCIL RETAINS EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY TO AMENDS
OR MODIFY THE SITE PLAN.
ANY CODE PROVISION THAT WOULD OTHERWISE ALLOW STAFF TO
MAKE ANY MINOR AMENDMENTS ADMINISTRATIVELY WILL NOT
APPLY HERE.
ONLY THIS CITY COUNCIL CAN AMEND THE SITE PLANS IF
APPROVED THIS EVENING.
AND IN A REGULAR REZONING OR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING,
CITY COUNCIL LOOKS TO WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS
DEMONSTRATED BY SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT THE
PROJECT MEETS THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
REGULATIONS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT BECAUSE
THIS IS A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS
THAT CITY COUNCIL MUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IF THE SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL IS
APPROVED, THE LAWSUIT FILED IN CIRCUIT COURT WILL BE
DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE AND EACH PARTY WILL BEAR THEIR
OWN ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS.
SO YOUR OPTIONS THIS EVENING ARE SET OUT UNDER SECTION
70.51, SUBSECTIONS 21.
FIRST IS TO ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND
RECOMMENDATION AND PROCEED TO IMPLEMENT THE
RECOMMENDATION.
IN THIS CASE RECOMMENDATION -- IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
RECOMMENDATION WILL BE THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND
PLACE ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING.
IF THE CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT WOODFIELD FAILED TO
MEET ITS BURDEN AND FAILED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
OTHER MATTERS, CITY COUNCIL MAY REJECT THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.
AND FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MAY MODIFY THE RECOMMENDATION
AND IMPLEMENT THIS SUBJECT TO WHITFIELD'S CONSENT TO
THE MODIFICATION.
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AND MISS I NA
HARGRETT GUDES I LISTENED TO THAT.
FIRST PART YOU GAVE TWO SCENARIOS AND THE END YOU GAVE
TWO.
IF THIS COUNCIL DENYS THIS SETTLEMENT, IT NOW GOES BACK
TO THE MAGISTRATE AGAIN.
IS THAT CORRECT?
I AM HEARING -- YOU ALREADY HAS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT
PER SE.
IF WE DON'T AGREE GOES BACK AND HAS A FINAL DECISION
WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL'S DECISION.
17:58:43 >>CATE WELLS:
THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HOLD A
SECOND HEARING BY WHICH TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AND THE
SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER
COUNCIL'S DENIAL IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR CONSTITUTES AN
UNFAIR BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL.
THAT IS NOT FINAL SUBJECT TO APPROVAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
17:59:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS FOR MISS WELLS.
17:59:10 >>CATE WELLS:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
17:59:15 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN --
17:59:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ONE SECOND.
MR. CITRO, I SEE YOUR BOY SCOUT -- THIS MAY BE LOG.
YOU WANT TO GET THEM IN.
17:59:23 >> I WAS GOING TO POINT THEM OUT TO YOU.
BECAUSE I THINK I AM GOING TO BE UPSTAGED.
17:59:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITH YOUR PERMISSION AND IF I MAY
QUICKLY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE WAS A MIX-UP ON TIMING IN
WHICH ONE OF THESE FINE YOUNG SCOUTS TO BE ANNOUNCED.
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE ENTERED
INTO THE CHAMBERS AND BE RECOGNIZED.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS.
18:00:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
MARTIN HERNANDEZ.
HE WILL BE TELLING US -- COME IN, GENTLEMEN.
HE WILL BE GIVING US THE TROOP NUMBER AND NAME.
MR. HERNANDEZ, PLEASE, AND THANK YOU.
18:00:45 >> THANK YOU.
MARK HERNANDEZ WITH SCOUTING TROOP 53 FROM SOUTH TAMPA.
COME NON, BOYS.
EACH ONE CAN QUICKLY SAY WHAT YOUR NAME.
SCHOOL YOU GO TO.
18:00:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HOW OLD YOU ARE AND HOW LONG YOU HAVE
BEEN IN SCOUTING.
18:01:00 >> CAIN VERA.
I AM 11.
GO TO MITCHELL ELEMENTARY, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING
SINCE FIRST GRADE.
18:01:11 >> MY NAME IS LUKE OLIVER.
I GO TO -- I AM 12 YEARS OLD, AND I GO TO FRANKLIN BOYS
MIDDLE MAGNET PREPARATORY ACADEMY, AND I HAVE BEEN IN
SCOUTING SINCE FIRST GRADE.
18:01:25 >> I AM BLAIR KEATS.
I AM 15.
GO TO ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING
-- BOY SCOUTS FOR FIVE YEARS.
18:01:38 >> I AM LUCAS MARSET, AND BEEN IN SCOUTING SINCE FIRST GRADE.
AND -- AND I AM 11.
AND GO TO MITCHELL ELEMENTARY.
AND FIRST GRADE.
SINCE FIRST GRADE.
18:01:48 >> FIVE YEARS.
18:01:51 >> FIVE YEARS.
18:01:55 >> MY NAME IS JAVIER KEATS.
I AM 14.
GO TO MADISON MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR 14 -- FOUR YEARS
ACTUALLY.
18:02:07 >> MY NAME IS JACKSON.
I AM 13, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS AND
GO TO HOLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
18:02:15 >> MY NAME IS BEN.
I AM 14 AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR TWO YEARS AND I
GO TO TAMPA PREP.
18:02:22 >> I AM SCOTT.
I AM 16.
I GO TO THE ACADEMY AND I HAVE BEEN SCOUTING FOR FIVE
YEARS.
18:02:37 >> MY NAME IS HALSY KEATS.
GO TO ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL AND I AM 15M AND I HAVE IN
SCOUTING FOR TEN YEARS.
18:02:43 >> JACOB HERNANDEZ.
GO TO JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL.
15 YEARS OLD, AND I HAVE BEEN SCOUTING FOR FIVE YEARS.
18:02:52 >> MY NAME IS LUCAS HERNANDEZ.
I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR THREE YEARS.
14 YEARS OLD.
AND I GO TO COLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
18:03:01 >> MY NAME IS PETER ROSE.
I GO TO COLMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
I AM 14 AND HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS.
18:03:12 >> MY NAME IS REED JACKSON.
I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS.
AND I GO TO -- I AM 14.
AND BY TO PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
18:03:21 >> MY NAME IS JACK PROSE.
I AM 11.
I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR FOUR YEARS AND GO TO
MITCHELL ELEMENTARY.
18:03:33 >> MY NAME IS ALEXANDER MASEA AND GO TO MITCHELL
ELEMENTARY.
I AM 11 YEARS OLD, AND I HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTING FOR THREE
YEARS.
18:03:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO WE HAVE PARENTS OUT THERE?
18:03:41 >> THE PARENTS ARE OUT THERE.
ONE MORE SCOUT THAT GOT STUCK IN SOME RAIN.
COME IN, BUDDY.
SAY YOUR NAME AND AGE.
LOUD.
THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU.
18:03:57 >> FOLEY BURNS, AND I AM 11.
HOW LONG.
18:04:01 >> HOW LONG HAVE BEEN IN SCOUTS?
18:04:05 >> I JUST JOINED A FEW MONTHS AGO AND ACADEMY OF HOLY
NAMES.
18:04:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOUNG SCOUT, STAY AT THE PODIUM.
PLEASE RISE AND LET THE SCOUT LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
18:04:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW, MR. CHAIR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION,
IF WE HAVE ENOUGH SEATS, MAYBE THESE YOUNG SCOUTS CAN
JOIN US FOR A FEW MINUTES TO SEE HOW THEIR LOCAL
GOVERNMENT WORKS.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR?
18:04:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO WE HAVE THE PARENTS AND THE
SCOUTMASTER HERE?
18:04:52 >> YES, SIR, THIS IS -- THIS IS JACKSON, RETIRED
COLONEL WHO IS OUR SCOUTMASTER.
AND OTHER SCOUT LEADERS OUTSIDE.
FORMER SCOUTMASTER, COMMANDER HALSEY KEATS AND A BUNCH
OF OTHER PARENT OUT THERE.
YOU CAN COME IN.
THEY DON'T BITE.
THANK YOU, ALL.
18:05:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THEY HAD TO GET HERE SOMEHOW.
18:05:19 >> YES.
SMITH HERNANDEZ AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE FINE
YOUNG MEN DOWN HERE AND OUR PLEASURE TO HAVE THEM IN
AND I AM GLAD THEY ARE HERE TO SEE HOW THEIR LOCAL
GOVERNMENT WORKS.
THANK YOU, AGAIN, MR. CHAIR.
AUDIENCE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:05:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO SAY WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE --
EXPLAIN WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW SO WHAT THE
PROCEDURES ARE.
WHAT ARE WE DOING?
18:05:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SCOUTS, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS LAND
USE CHANGES.
WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM MANY DIFFERENT SIDES, THE
CITY, THE PLANNING FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THE
CORPORATIONS AND OR COMPANIES THAT WANT TO CHANGE THIS
LAND USE AND MORE ESPECIALLY, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM
THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITIZENS.
AND HOPEFULLY AFTER HEARING EVERYTHING THAT IS
DISCUSSED, REMEMBER, DIALOGUE SOLVES EVERYTHING.
WE WILL THEN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT LAND USE OR
PROPOSED LAND USE -- LAND USE CHANGE.
SO SIT BACK, LISTEN CAREFULLY, AND SEE HOW OUR -- HOW
YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKS.
MR. CHAIR, WAS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?
18:06:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU.
NO SENSE HAVING THE YOUNG PEOPLE HERE UNLESS THEY KNOW
THE PROCESS.
YOU LEARN BY SEEING AND DOING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE YOUNG PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE ARE
DOING AT ALL TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS GOING
FORWARD.
MR. MAGISTRATE, IF YOU WANT TO BEGIN, SIR.
18:06:55 >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL,
SCOTT STEADY, SUITE 3200, ONE TAMPA CITY CENTER.
A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.
SO WE WILL START.
CATE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS AND I WANT
TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.
ONE IS WE DID HAVE FOUR MEDIATION SESSIONS.
I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THAT -- WE USUALLY HAVE TWO, MAYBE THREE.
BOTH SIDES REALLY WORKED REAL HARD TO COME UP WITH
THESE TWO ALTERNATIVES.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE SOME -- A GOOD DECISION TONIGHT,
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO THIS.
I THINK ONE OF THE MOST HELPFUL THINGS THAT OCCURRED
WAS OUR FIRST MEDIATION SESSION, WOODFIELD BROUGHT IN
AN EXPERT THAT YOU WILL HEAR LATE THEIR EXPLAINED THE
OPERATION NEXT DOOR.
I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY CAME FORWARD IN THE
FIRST HEARING THAT YOU HEARD, BUT THEY TALKED OF THE
OPERATIONS, THE RISK INVOLVED WITH THOSE OPERATIONS,
THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE RISKS AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE
CHEMICALS ENTER THE ENVIRONMENT.
WITH THAT TESTIMONY, IT REALLY ALLOWED THE STAFF TO
REALLY CONSIDER THOSE ISSUES TO COME UP WITH A -- WITH
THE MITIGATION EFFORTS, MITIGATION, EXCUSE ME,
CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE ALTERNATIVE ONE ASSUMING
THAT CFI STAYS WITH THE LOCATION.
SO I THINK THAT REALLY HELPED MAKE A -- MAKE THIS WORK.
AND TO HAVE THIS COME BACK TO YOU A BUT AS CATE SAID,
THE EXPERT WILL TESTIFY TONIGHT AND YOU NEED TO
CONSIDER HIS TESTIMONY AND WHETHER YOU THINK THEY
PRESENTED AND DEALT WITH THE RISK INVOLVED WITH THE CFI
NEXT DOOR.
SO WITH THAT, CATE WENT THROUGH.
THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONING, OTHER COMPROMISE AS THAT
WERE MADE.
299 UNITS BASICALLY 25% REDUCTION TO THE 226.
THERE WAS THE 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT COMMERCIAL THAT WAS
CUSSED AT THE HEARING WITH THE DENIAL, BUT SINCE THEN,
I THINK THE COMMERCIAL USES HAVE EXPANDED SO THAT IT
WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A BETTER MIXED-USE
PROJECT.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT, TOO, ABOUT THE EXTRA
CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENT OF TYSON.
174,000.
I WAS INVOLVED IN ANOTHER MEDIATION ON TYSON AND THIS
WAS SIMILAR TO THE CONTRIBUTION THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BY
CODE.
IT IS AN OVER AND ABOVE THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
ALSO, THERE IS A PROVISION THERE THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE
PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THE FUTURE
LIGHT THAT WILL GO AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE.
THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE PAID AT BUILDING PERMITS
WHICH IS SOONER RATHER THAN NORMAL.
THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATED DURING THE PROCESS DURING THE
FOUR MEDIATIONS.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS HERE TONIGHT I AM
SURE THEY WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT IT.
WITH THAT, I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION OF BOTH ALTERNATIVES.
AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM STAFF AND AS WELL AS THE
DEVELOPER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS --
18:09:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE ONE.
WHEN YOU TALK OF THE EXPERT.
THEY HAD AN EXPERT LAST TITHE TIME IS MY UNDERSTANDING,
IS THAT CORRECT?
18:10:03 >> I DON'T BELIEVE THE EXPERT THAT SPOKE FOR WOODFIELD
WAS PRESENT -- NO, NO.
SO TONIGHT YOU WILL HEAR THE EXPERT THAT SPOKE AT THE
FIRST MEDIATION THAT REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE CHEMICALS,
THE RISKS INVOLVED.
AND HOW THEY -- WHEN THEY ENTER THE ENVIRONMENT, HOW
THEY REACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND BARRIERS THAT CAN BE
PUT UP LIKE THE PARKING GARAGE TO PREVENT INTRUSION
INTO THE PROJECT.
SO THAT IS GOING TO BE NEW TESTIMONY.
18:10:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
18:10:33 >> YES.
18:10:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
18:10:40 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:10:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL BEGIN.
HAVE THE APPLICANT.
ZAIN, GOING TO BE YOU TONIGHT.
18:10:59 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
YES, SIR.
HOW ARE YOU DOING.
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I WANT TO SALUTE AND APPLAUD THE BOY SCOUTS.
I WAS A BOY SCOUT IN MY YOUNGER YEARS AND A FANTASTIC
EXPERIENCE.
TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, CASE
REZ-20-66 FOR THE REDESIGN PROJECT AT 5301 W. TYSON
AVENUE.
I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
18:11:26 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
JENNIFER MALONE, AGAIN, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WILL BE BRIEF, BUT I WILL JUST PROVIDE SOME HIGH
POINTS ON THIS CASE.
IT IS LOCATED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE ON W. TYSON
AVENUE.
AND HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE.
SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFIC TO
ANYTHING LOCATED ON RATTLESNAKE POINT AND ANYTHING WITH
A COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
STAFF HAS TAKEN THESE POLICIES AND WE HAVE OUTLINED
THEM IN THE STAFF REPORT AND COMPARED WHAT THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ASKING FOR FROM DEVELOPMENTS AND
LOOKED AT THOSE POLICIES IN RELATION TO THE SITE PLAN
AND FOUND IT WAS CONSISTENT.
WE FOUND THAT THE APPLICANT WITH THE REDESIGN SITE IS
MEETING THE POLICY DIRECTION OF LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5.
THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO THIS POLICY, BUT WE
FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED PD, THE ORIENTATION OF THE
PARKING GARAGE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE POLICY
PROVIDING A BUFFER WITH THE RESIDENCES AND HEAVY
INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE TO THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE
SUBJECT SITE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE
WATERFRONT THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
ON RATTLESNAKE POINT AND ADDRESSING THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA FOR HURRICANE MITIGATION PAYMENTS WITH
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
AND, AGAIN, YOU WON'T BEHAVIOR THIS -- WON'T BELABOR
THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND IT CONSISTENT AND
THE FULL ANALYSIS AND THE FINDING IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR
QUESTIONS.
18:13:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING FOR MISS MALONE?
ALL RIGHT.
ZAIN?
18:13:12 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LANDS DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PLEASE, I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN.
CASE REZ 20-66.
THE APPLICANT IS RYAN STUDZINSKI.
REPRESENTATIVE IS ANNE POLLACK AT 5301 W. TYSON AVENUE.
PROPOSED FROM IH, INDUSTRIAL HEAVY TO PD, MULTIFAMILY,
RETAILED SELLS, RETAIL SALES, SPECIALTY GOODS,
CONVENIENCE GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS AND MARINA.
RESUBMITTAL THE AMOUNT HAS TWO ALTERNATIVE PLANS A
WAIVER FOR EACH PLANS.
WAIVER NUMBER ONE, REDUCE THE REQUIRED 15-FOOT --
15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON TO A 10-FOOT LANDSCAPE
BUFFER AND TEN-FOOT CMU OR PRECAST WALL ALONG THE SOUTH
PROPERTY LINE ALSO SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
LANDSCAPE BUFFER, SIX-FOOT CMU ALONG THE WEST AND EAST
PROPERTY LINES.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO MAKE THIS WAIVER
WORDED A CERTAIN WAY BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READ
GOING APPROVED.
ALTERNATIVE PLAN NUMBER TWO TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED
15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE WEST SIDE TO A TEN-FOOT
LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
WILL INCLUDE A SIX-FOOT CMU AND PRECAST ALONG THE WEST
AND EAST PROPERTY LINES.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO BEEN REQUESTED TO REWORD THE
WAIVER JUST LIKE THIS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING
IF APPROVED.
I WILL NOW GO TO THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
YOU SEE THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE TYSON.
TO THE NORTHWEST GANDY BOULEVARD.
TO THE WEST YOU HAVE SALT CHECK, THE RESTAURANT.
TO THE SOUTHWEST YOU HAVE A -- A REZONING THAT WAS
APPROVED.
AND THIS WAS APPROVED FOR 680 UNITS.
TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE A REZONING APPROVED FOR
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY FOR 325 UNITS.
NOW LET ME GIVE YOU FIRST A BRIEF SUMMARY AND A HISTORY
OF THIS APPLICATION.
ON JANUARY 21, 2021, CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE REZONING
APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5301 W. TYSON
AVENUE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
THE ACTION REQUESTED A REZONING FROM INDUSTRIAL HEAVY,
IH, TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PD.
SEEKING THE APPROVAL OF A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT
INCLUDED 299 DWELLING UNITS AT 35.7 UNITS PER ACRE AND
1,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPECIALTY GOODS, RETAIL SALES
WITHIN A FOUR-STORY 332,884-SQUARE-FOOT STRUCTURE AS 62
FEET IN HEIGHT.
ALSO, A FIVE-FOOT STORY OF 75 FEET IN HEIGHT ALONG WITH
SURFACE PARKING ON THE LOT.
THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE A 15-SLIP MARINA.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH 70.51, FLORIDA STATUTES.
A DEMAND FOR RELIEF WAS FILED WITHIN THE CITY -- WITH
THE CITY.
FOUR SEPARATE MEDIATION SESSIONS BETWEEN MAY 2021 AND
OCTOBER 2, 2021.
DURING WHICH AT CITY AND APPLICANT EXPLORED REVISED
TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
DURING THE FINAL MEDIATION ON OCTOBER 22, 2021, THE
APPLICANT PRESENTED THE CITY WITH TWO ALTERNATIVE
PLANNINGS.
THIS WAS BASED ON THE CHEMICAL FORMULATORS, INC. ALSO
KNOWN AS CFI, THAT I WILL REFER TO IN THIS
PRESENTATION.
THE LOCATION AT THE SITE 5215 WEST TYSON.
ALTERNATE ONE WILL STATE THAT THE CFI WOULD REMAIN.
AND ALTERNATIVE TWO PLAN WILL HAVE THE CFI RELOCATE
THEIR BUSINESS.
NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE PLANS AND WHAT
THEY HAVE IN COMMON.
EACH SITE PLAN SEEKS APPROVAL OF A MIXED USE PROJECT
CONSISTING OF RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL SALES,
SPECIALTY GOODS, CONVENIENCE GOODS AND SHOPPER'S GOODS
AND MARINA USES.
SPECIFICALLY 226 RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY UNITS OR --
AT 27 UNITS PER ACRE WITH POOL AND AMENITY SPACE,
5,000-SQUARE-FEET OF SPECIALTY GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS
AND 15-FOOT MARINA TO THE NORTH.
THE PROJECT PROPOSE TODAY CONSTRUCT A
310,000-SQUARE-FOOT FOUR-STORY STRUCTURE CONSISTING OF
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL SALES.
THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL INCORPORATE THE USE OF THE
EXISTING DOCK LOCATE TODAY NORTH AS PART OF THE MARINA.
WITH A RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX DESIGNED CENTRAL
TO THE SITE WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED AT THIS
TIME.
GREEN SPACE SURROUNDS RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY WITH
INTERNAL CONNECTIONS WITH OPEN AMENITY SPACE.
THE SITE LAYOUT INCORPORATES A FOUR-STORY GARAGE ALONG
THE SURFACE PARKING TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.
AND THE RETAIL SALES COMPONENT IS LOCATED TO THE
NORTHERN END OF THE SITE FRONTING THE WATER.
THE 8.37-ACRE PROPERTIES A EXISTING 67,667-SQUARE-FOOT
BUILDING WITH A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RATTLESNAKE POINT
LOCATED TO THE WEST SIDE OF W. TYSON AVENUE.
THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY THE BAY AND RATTLESNAKE
CHANNEL TO THE NORTH.
INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE WEST ZONED IG.
INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE SOUTH ZONED IH.
COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL GOVERNMENT USE TO THE EAST, ZONED
IH.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING SETBACKS ARE 35 FEET TO THE
NORTH.
35 FEET TO THE SOUTH.
36 FEET TO THE EAST.
AND 50 FEET TO THE WEST.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL BE 60
FEET FOR FOUR STORIES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
COMPLEX AND ALSO THE PARKING GARAGE.
BASED ON THESE PROPOSED NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS AND
RETAIL SALES, A TOTAL OF 431 PARKING SPACES ARE
REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRING 444 PARKING
SPACES.
THREE LOADING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THREE
LOADING SPACES ARE BEING MET.
IN ADDITION TO MAKING A MITIGATION PAYMENT TO THE
TRANSPORTATION DIVISION IN THE AMOUNT OF $99,581
FOR IMPROVEMENTS WANT INNER BAY DISTRICT AREA, THE
APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PAY -- HIS PROPORTIONATE FAIR
SHARE PAYMENT FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW
TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF WEST TYSON AND
ALSO SOUTHWEST SHORE BOULEVARD.
ALSO TO CONTRIBUTE $174,000 TO THE CITY TO BE UTILIZED
FOR THE DESIGN AND OR IMPROVEMENTS TO TYSON AVENUE.
NOW, I WILL SHOW YOU THE NEXT PAGE.
YOU WILL SEE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER 1.
THE DISTINCTION OF SITE PLAN NUMBER 1 SHOW THAT CFI
WILL REMAIN IN THE CURRENT LOCATION IN THE SOUTH.
THE PROPOSAL FOLLOWING DESIGN DETAILS AND CONDITIONS OF
APPROVAL IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT PRESENTED BY
CFI AS REQUIRED BY THE LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, WHICH
PROVIDES IN PART A PROPOSED PD REZONING WHICH ABUTS
EXISTING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS TO
THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, MUST DEMONSTRATE THROUGH
DESIGN AND ACCEPTED -- THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE NEW
USE SHALL BE -- SHOULD NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK OF SUCH
HAZARDS.
KEEP IN MIND THAT STAFF'S REPORT DOES NOT ADDRESS IF
THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN REQUIRES TO THE LAND USE POLICY
8.11.5, BUT DURING THE MEDIATION, THE CITY DID CONFIRM,
WHILE STAFF WAS WILLING TO PRESENT THE ALTERNATIVE SITE
PLANS FOR CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, THE APPLICANT
REMAINED RESPONSIBLE FOR ESTABLISHING COMPLIANCE WITH
POLICY 8.11.5.
AND TO BE COMPETENT OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
AS PER THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER ONE, THE
APPLICANT MUST MEET THE GENERAL NOTES 16 24-7B 2.
NOW IS SAY LOT OF INFORMATION SO I WILL PARAPHRASE
PIECE BY PIECE.
NUMBER 16, THE DEVELOPER SHALL MAINTAIN EMERGENCY
RESPONSE, EVACUATION AND RE-ENTRY PLAN FOR HURRICANES
AND OTHER DISASTERS.
NUMBER 17, NOTE, DEVELOPER SHALL ENTER INTO A CONTRACT
WITH A PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM TO PROVIDE PRIVATE
EVACUATION SERVICES IN THE EVENT OF A HURRICANE,
SIMILAR THREATENING FLOODING OR WIND EVENTS.
NOTE NUMBER 18, THE DEVELOPER AND PROPERTY MANAGER
SHALL PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE AND NEW TENANTS OF
INFORMATION IDENTIFYING THE FACT THAT THE UNIT IS
WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
KNOW NOTE NUMBER 19, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST
CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TEMPORARY OR FINAL, DEVELOPER
SHALL INSTALL AND MAINTAIN AUTOMATIC WARNING SYSTEMS
ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIMETER.
NUMBER 20 IN THE NOTES, HVAC SYSTEMS SHALL BE DESIGNED
WITH NO FRESH AIR INTAKE SUBJECT TO CITY CODE.
21, THE PARKING GARAGE SHALL BE ENCLOSED ON THE SOUTH
ELEVATION OTHER THAN VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS
POINTS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND NUMBER 22 IN THE NOTES, THE TEN-FOOT WALL MAY BE
MODIFIED TO A SIX-FOOT WALL IF THE ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL
FACILITY CEASES OPERATION.
I WILL NOW GO TO ALTERNATIVE PLAN NUMBER 2 THAT THE
APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
THIS SHOWS CFI RELOCATING BUSINESS FROM 5215 W. TYSON
AVENUE.
NOT REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH COMPLIANCE WITH LAND USE
POLICY 8.11.5.
THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN NUMBER 2 PROVIDES THAT THE
REMOVAL OF THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT TO AND THROUGH
THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND INSTEAD HAS ONE ACCESS
POINT ON W. TYSON AVENUE RIGHT DOW DOWN HERE TO THE
SOUTH AS YOU SEE OVER HERE WITH THE ARROW.
IN ADDITION THE GENERAL NOTES THAT ADDRESS THE DESIGN
SPECIFIC ISSUES WITH 8.11.5 ARE NOT VALID AND THEY ARE
ALSO REMOVED.
I HAVE THE TWO SITES HERE SIDE BY SIDE AS YOU CAN SEE.
YOU HAVE THAT MARINA UP HERE TO THE NORTH.
YOU WILL HAVE TO THE NORTHEAST, YOU WILL HAVE THAT
RETAIL.
TO THE SOUTHEAST, YOU WILL HAVE THAT FOUR-STORY GARAGE.
THROUGHOUT THE CENTER OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE THAT
RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE AND YOU WILL HAVE
THE ACCESS POINT.
NOW ALTERNATIVE PLAN 1, THREE LANES COMPARED TO
ALTERNATIVE PLAN 2 WITH TWO LANES.
ALTERNATIVE PLAN 2, YOU HAVE ONE ACCESS.
AND ALTERNATIVE PLAN 1, TWO ACCESS POINTS AS YOU SEE
THE BOLD ENTRANCE-EXIT HERE AND ENTRANCE-EXIT TO THE
SOUTH.
AS YOU SEE, I WENT TO THE SITE THE OTHER DAY, AND YOU
WILL SEE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE ON THE SITE AS IS.
AND TO THE NORTH, YOU WILL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE
SITE AS IS.
TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE INDUSTRIAL.
AND ALSO TO THE SITE THE ACCESS AREA AND MORE
INDUSTRIAL OVER HERE.
TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE A MILITARY
OPERATIONS AREA.
AND DOWN THE STREET TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL
HAVE SALT SHACK RESTAURANT ON THE WATER.
TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE INDUSTRIAL.
THIS IS ON TYSON.
THERE THIS IS TYSON ROAD.
INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES.
AND DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE THE CFI
LOCATION THAT WE ARE SPEAKING OF ON 5215 WEST TYSON.
TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE INDUSTRIAL.
AND ALSO THIS IS FROM TYSON ROAD LOOKING ABOVE.
5215 RIGHT HERE, GATED AREA.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU WILL HAVE THE SUBJECT PARCEL.
THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED
AND FINDS COMPLIANCE WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH LAND
USE POLICY 8.11.5, THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE
APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
IF APPROVING THE APPLICATION, MODIFICATION OF THE SITE
PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BY THE APPLICANT BETWEEN FIRST
AND SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE AS STATED ON THE
REVISION SHEET.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, IF NEEDED.
18:26:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?
GENTLEMEN?
HEARING NONE, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
18:27:25 >> HEY, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
I AM GOING TO AGREE IT IS REALLY GREAT TO BE BACK IN
PERSON.
IF I MAY, I AM GOING TO -- GIVEN THE VARIETY AND
SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE ISSUES TONIGHT, I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST SOME EXTRA TIME, IF I COULD HAVE
TEN MINUTES EXTRA.
I DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO NEED IT, BUT I WOULD -- I
WOULD REQUEST IT.
18:28:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, WHAT IS THE RULE ON THAT?
18:28:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS WOULD APPLY TO
QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS
ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THE -- OF THE HEARING TONIGHT,
ALTHOUGH YOUR DECISIONS ARE SEPARATE.
BUT LET ME READ WHAT THE RULE IS, REQUEST FOR
ADDITIONAL TIME MAY ONLY BE REQUESTED IF THE
PARTICIPANT ESTABLISHES TO THE SAT ORPHANING OF COUNCIL
THAT ADDITIONAL TIME IS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL
DUE PROCESS.
COUNCILMEMBERS MAY BY A MAJORITY VOTE GRANT OR DENY A
REQUEST OF THE ADDITIONAL TIME, IF ANY.
IN THE EVENT A APPLICANT IS GIVEN ADDITIONAL TIME, THE
PETITIONER WHO IS IN THIS CASE ASKING FOR THE
ADDITIONAL TIME MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL TIME FOR
PURPOSES OF REBUTTAL AS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL
DUE PROCESS.
COUNCIL, THERE IS A SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATION.
YOU HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN EXPERT
WITNESS THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING, WHICH IS PART
OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO IT IS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT IS AN
ISSUE OF PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS.
AND IT IS UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
18:29:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GO AHEAD AND BE RECOGNIZED.
18:29:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE WE GIVE THEM TEN MORE MINUTES.
18:29:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CHAIRMAN, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO
ANYTHING -- I AM NOT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS SAID AT
THIS POINT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE OTHER SIDE --
WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE HERE ALSO IS GIVEN ADDITIONAL
SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
18:29:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON.
CAN YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION IN REFERENCE TO TEN MINUTES
FOR BOTH SIDES?
18:29:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
18:29:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON SAY BOTH SIDES WILL HAVE
AN ADDITIONAL TEN MINUTES IF NECESSARY.
MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
18:30:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TOTAL TIME, MADAM CLERK OF -- 25?
18:30:03 >>CLERK:
25 MINUTES.
18:30:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CLERK, ARE YOU GOOD NOW OR NEED
A BREAK?
YOU MAY PROCEED.
18:30:09 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANN POLLOCK, 433 CENTRAL AVENUE IN ST. PETE.
I REPRESENT WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS ON THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE A BIG TEAM AND THEY ARE HERE IN PERSON.
18:30:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE BOY SCOUTS ARE GOING TO LEAVE
NOW.
MAYBE LET THEM OUT.
18:30:31 >> CAN YOU PAUSE MY TIME, MY PRECIOUS TIME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
18:30:35 >> THEY DON'T WANT TO STAY?
18:30:47 >> THIS IS WHERE IT GETS EXCITING.
18:30:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DID YOU TEACH AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL?
YEAH.
ALL RIGHT.
18:31:13 >> FOR OVER 20 YEARS THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL HAVE
DIRECTED THAT THIS AREA TRANSFORM FROM INDUSTRIAL TO
RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS AMENDED TO CMU-35 FOR MOST
OF THE PENINSULA AND OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, THE
COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE REZONING OF SEVERAL PARCELS ON
THE PENINSULA TO SET IN FORTH THIS AND RECONNECT THE
PUBLIC BACK TO THE WATERFRONT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT TRANSITION.
WHEN WE WERE HERE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, YOU RAISED
SEVERAL CONCERNS, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO THE
PROPOSED DENSITY AND THE PROJECT'S CAPACITY AND SAFETY
NEXT TO THE CHEMICAL FORMULATOR SITE.
WE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH YOUR STAFF OVER THE PAST YEAR
TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AND WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WHAT
WE HAVE DONE, HOW WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR
APPROVAL.
AND WHY YOU SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THIS
PROJECT.
THE RECONFIGURED PROJECT WAS EXPLICITLY DESIGNED TO
ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS AND A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY APPROVED NEARBY.
COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SURROUNDING USES
AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES
APPLICABLE TO IT.
INITIALLY DECREASED THE DENSITY BY 25%.
REDUCING FROM THE 299 UNITS TO 226.
IT PUTS US AT 27 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY
COMPATIBLE TO THE OTHER PROJECTS THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS
APPROVED RECENTLY NEARBY.
STAFF FELT THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND
CERTAINLY WELL BELOW WHAT IS ALLOWED WITH THE 30 UNITS
PER ACRE AND THE 1.0 F.A.R. LOCATED BY THE CMU-35.
INCREASED COMMERCIAL TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET TO PROVIDE
THE MIX OF USES, AND EXPANDED THE TYPE OF USES ALLOWED
UNDER THE RETAIL TO PROVIDE A GREATER -- A GREATER MIX.
THIS -- THIS COMMERCIAL USE IS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF
THE PROJECT, FRONTING THE FULLY ACCESSIBLE WATERFRONT,
PROVIDING THE MOST BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC AND RESIDENTS.
THE REDESIGNED PLANS SHIFTS THE BUILDINGS A BIT MOVING
THE GARAGE EAST AND RESIDENTIAL WEST AWAY FROM THE CFI
SITE TO THE SOUTH.
THE GARAGE IS FOUR STORIES AND SOUTH WALL IS ENCLOSED
TO PROVIDE GREATER PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTS AND WE
WILL GET INTO THE FULL SAFETY MEASURES IN A MOMENT.
THE PROJECT REMAINS SINGLE BUILDING WITH COURT YARDS
AND A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.
IN FACT, WE EXCEED THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT BY 17%.
THIS IS THE ENTRANCE AS YOU DRIVE UP THE LONG PORK CHOP
DRIVEWAY BUT THE FOCUS IS ON THE INTERPLAY WITH THE
WATERFRONT.
THE RATTLESNAKE POINT POLICY REQUIRES SPECIFIC ACCESS TO
THE WATERFRONT AND WE HAVE A WATERFRONT PROMENADE
CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
PUBLIC TRAIL WINDING ALONG THE WATERFRONT WITH
CROSS-ACCESS TO THE ADJACENT PARCELS WHICH HOPEFULLY
WILL BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO CONTINUE WITH
THE PATH AROUND RATTLESNAKE POINT.
CONNECTS TO THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS THAT CREATES AN
ADDITIONAL ONE-THIRD MILE LOOP WITHIN THIS PROPERTY.
A LOT OF OUTDOOR AMENITIES AND THE CURRENT RETAIL
RESTAURANT SPACE SUPPORTING THE WATERFRONT USERS AND
FEATURES TO FURTHER PROCEDURE TICKET THE PROPERTY FROM
STORM SURGE AND STORM DAMAGE.
WHAT MAKES THIS SITE SPECIAL IS THE 15-SLIP MARINA
DEVELOPED FROM THE OLD BOAT TOCK THERE FROM THE BOAT
MANUFACTURING PLANT.
YOU CAN ACCESS BY BOAT, BIKE AND CAR.
SURFACE PARKING ALONG THE WEST SIDE BUT THE PARKING
GARAGE IS FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
WE ARE ASKING A WAIVER TO THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BUT OUR
DESIGN HAS SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED FROM WHEN WE FIRST
CAME TO YOU.
THAT UNIQUE PORK CHOP SHAPE GIVES A LIMITED DRIVEWAY
SPACE.
TO MAKE ROOM FOR NECESSARY DRIVEWAY LANES WE ARE
REQUIRED TO HAVE BECAUSE ADJACENT TO CFI AND PROTECT
THE TREES AND THE SIDEWALK, WE ARE REQUESTING TO
DECREASE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER FROM TEN FEET -- FROM 15
FEET TO 10 FEET.
BECAUSE WE ARE ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL.
WE HAVE TRIED TO LIMIT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND
COMMITTED FOR THE FULL 15 FEET OF LANDSCAPING MATERIAL
IN THAT TEN-FEET SPACE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OTHER SIDE THE SIDEWALK
ACTUALLY HAS MORE GREEN SPACE ON IT.
BUT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY COUNT THAT TOWARD THE BUFFER.
WE HAVE REALLY MADE THE INTENT OF THE -- MET THE INTENT
OF THE CODE, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T COUNT.
WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING A TEN-FOOT WALL ON THE SOUTH
SIDE TO MITIGATE FOR THE ADJACENT CFI USE AND WE HAVE
TO ASK FOR A WAIVER WITH THAT.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE WAIVERS ARE IN HARMONY OF THE
INTENT OF THE CODE AND SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE TO GIVE THE
PUBLIC BENEFIT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF HAVE FOUND THE
PROJECT WITH THE REDUCED DENSITY CONSISTENCY WITH THE
COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVISIONS AND
COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WE HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED IN THE AREA AN INDEPENDENT
PLANNING REPORT WITH STEARNS WEAVER MILLER WHO IS HERE
TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITHED
CMU-35, THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP
PLAN, MIXED USE CORRIDOR POLICY AND LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE AND GIVEN THE LARGER ISSUES, I AM GOING TO GO JUST
BRIEFLY FROM SOME OF THE RATTLESNAKE POINT POLICIES
THAT ARE APPLICABLE.
8.11.6 IS THE TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION REQUIREMENT.
WE ARE IN A TCA TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION
AREA WHICH REQUIRES WE COMPLY WITH ALL CODE REQUIRED
TRANSPORTATION CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU HEARD
MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT WE HAVE DONE.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO PAYING OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE
MITIGATION PAYMENT AND COMMITTED TO PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC
SIGNAL AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE WHICH IS PAID TWO YEARS
FROM NOW.
TWO YEARS FROM DEVELOP.
AFTER YOU DO A STUDY.
BUT WE ARE COMMITTING TO PAY THAT UP FRONT AT BUILDING
PERMIT.
IN ADDITION, AS PART OF THIS SETTLEMENT, WE ARE
SPLITTING TO PAY $174,000 TOWARD IMPROVEMENTS TO TYSON.
RECOGNIZING THAT TYSON IS A -- IS A SUBSTANDARD ROAD
THAT NEED A LOT OF HELP.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
WE REALLY ARE PAYING -- FULLY MITIGATING OUR IMPACT
PLUS SOME AS MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED AS CODE.
OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER STEVE HENRY IS ON THE ONLINE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT.
NO, PUT IT BACK.
8.11.7 IS THE OTHER ONE I WANT TO MENTION.
THAT AND THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT PROVIDE THAT
REZONINGS ARE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE THEIR AIM PACT ON
THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BY MITIGATING IMPACT ON
SHELTER SPACE.
WE HAVE COMMITTED TO MAKE THE REQUIRED PAYMENT REQUIRED
BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE PLANNING
COMMISSION HAS CONFIRMED THIS MAKES US CONSISTENT WITH
THIS POLICY.
BUT WE HAVE ALSO COMMITTED AN INDEPENDENT REPORT INTO
THE RECORD BY RANDY COHEN WHO IS HERE TONIGHT VIRTUALLY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND HIS REPORT SHOW THAT'S EVACUATION TRAFFIC FROM THE
SITE WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE REGIONAL OR LOCAL IMPACT
ON THE PRIMARY EVACUATION ROUTES.
ING THE PROJECT.
DESPITE THOSE RESULTS, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO AN
EMERGENCY PLANNING RESPONSE AND RECOVERY PLAN TO MAKE
SURE ANY EVACUATION PROCESS IS SAFE, SMOOTH AND THE
LEAST IMPACTFUL ON THE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY
INCLUDING REQUIRING NOTICE TO TENANTS TO THE NATURE OF
WHERE THEY ARE LIVING.
AND PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT EVACUATION, EVACUATION
REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDING A EVACUATION TRANSPORTATION
SERVICE FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T EVACUATE ON THEIR OWN.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED 8.11.5.
WE DISCUSSED TRANSPORTATION AND SHELTER MITIGATION.
DEMONSTRATED PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT.
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, OF COURSE, IS CFI, WHO IS OUR
NEIGHBOR.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS INSTITUTE EVIDENCE-BASED,
EXPERT-APPROVED MITIGATION MEASURES IN CONCERT WITH A
FULL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE FACILITY IS OPERATED AND
REGULATED AND HOW CHLORINE WORKS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY
PRIMARILY DO AT THE FACILITY SO THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT
UNDULY AT RISK AND MEET THE STANDARDS OF THIS POLICY
AND THIS LAST PROVISION IT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT
RELEVANT.
SO AS STAFF AND CATE EXPLAINED, THE SETTLEMENT INVOLVES
TWO ALTERNATIVES.
ONE IF CFI STAYS WHICH WE HOPE AT THIS POINT WOULD BE
TEMPORARY EVEN IF THEY DID STAY AND ONE IF THEY GO.
THE LADDER OPTION IS A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY AND STILL
COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR HANDS AND CONFIDENTIAL MATTER
BETWEEN THIRD PARTIES.
WE WILL ASK FOR FLEXIBILITY AND ASKING FOR YOU TO
APPROVE BOTH PLANS AND IF IT DOES HAPPEN, WE WILL HAVE
THE OPTION OF PICKING BOTH PLANS AND MOVING FORWARD.
EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR APPLIES TO BOTH
ALTERNATIVE PLANS.
THE DENSITY REDUCTION, THE MIX OF USES, THE LAYOUT, THE
WATERFRONT PROMENADE.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS ALTERNATIVE 1, EXPERT,
MITIGATION-BASED MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS
ARE NOT UNDULY UNSAFE.
THE MEASURES WE HAVE PROVIDED GO WELL BEYOND WHAT THE
COMP PLAN DESIRES AS EFFECTED PRACTICES.
AND I WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN.
WE SHIFTED THE GARAGE EAST AND MOVED THE RESIDENTS
CLOSE TO THAT CFI SITE, WE MOVED THEM WEST.
WE DELAWARE SIGNED A GARAGE WITH A SOUTHERN WALL.
WE HAVE A TEN-FOOT WALL ALONG THE SOUTH BOUNDARY.
THIRD LANE ON THE PRIMARY ACCESS DRIVEWAY SO CFI TRUCKS
AT THIS POINT USE THE DRIVEWAY TO ENTER THEIR PROPERTY,
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ACCESS DRIVEWAY AND WON'T INTERFERE
WITH THE RESIDENTS USING THE DRIVEWAY THEMSELVES.
ADDED THAT SECONDARY DRIVEWAY SO THE RESIDENTS DON'T
HAVE TO USE THAT.
CHLORINE MONITORING SYSTEM SO ANY LEVEL OF CHLORINE THAT
ESCAPES FROM IT HAPPENS TO HAPPEN, AT WHICH WE
GET AN ALERT AND WE CAN HAVE OUR ALERT SYSTEM, OUR
COMMUNICATION SYSTEM ALERT THE RESIDENTS.
NO FRESH AIR HVAC PROVIDED BY CODE.
SHELTER-IN-PLACE WHICH IS AN APPROPRIATE MEASURE WITH
CHLORINE.
RESIDENTS GET AN EMERGENCY WARNING.
BE SAFE INSIDE AND THEY ARE SAFE INSIDE.
EMERGENCY RESPONSE REJECTED FOR HURRICANE AND CFI.
AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE EDUCATION AND THEY FEEL SAFE.
SO WE FEEL THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS
FOUND US CONSISTENT WITH 8.11.5.
AND IN ADDITION, OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE WORKED WITH CFI
AND CFI WAS RECENTLY AN OPPONENT, BUT WE HAVE A LETTER
THAT THEY DO NOT OPPOSE THIS PLAN.
AND THEY HAVE DETERMINED THAT THEY WILL, YOU KNOW,
SUPPORT THIS PLAN TONIGHT.
SO -- AND I CAN SUBMIT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
I AM NOT THE CHEMICAL EXPERT.
SO TONIGHT I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE TO YOU MR. NONY, WHO
IS ONLINE.
OUR PRINCIPAL TOXICOLOGIST RENOWNED INDUSTRIAL RESPONSE
HYGIENE COMPANY AND HE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT BACK
GROUND ON CHLORINE, CFI'S FACILITY, HOW IT IS REGULATED
AND THE INCREDIBLE ADVANCEMENT OF SAFETY OVER THE PAST
5 TO 15 YEARS AND WHY THE MITIGATION IS APPROPRIATE AND
SUFFICIENT FOR THIS SITE.
18:43:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO HAS A QUESTION.
18:43:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PUT UP THAT PRIOR -- THERE NOW.
JUST FOR MY QUESTIONING AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE
WONDERING, AS SOON AS IT COMES BACK UP.
THE BLUE LINES THAT ARE ON THAT, ARE THEY SIGNIFYING
THE RAIL LINES.
18:43:42 >> YES.
18:43:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WAIT UNTIL THEY COME UP.
THE ONE THAT IS GOING IN FRONT OF THE MAIN DRIVE.
18:43:50 >> YES.
18:43:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT ONE THERE.
AND GO MIDWAY UP WHERE YOU HAVE THE OTHER
ENTRANCE-EXIT.
THAT EXIT.
WHERE DOES THAT LEAD TO?
18:44:04 >> THAT ONE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
AS THAT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED,
THAT ONE WILL BE CONNECTED AND THAT DRIVEWAY WILL COME
OUT THROUGH HERE.
18:44:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WILL THAT DRIVEWAY STILL CROSS THE
RAILROAD TRACKS.
18:44:22 >> IT WILL, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT RAILROAD TRACK AS
-- AS WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE HAPPENING HERE, THIS LINE
IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DECOMMISSIONED SOONER RATHER
THAN LATER.
THE WOMAN TO YOUR LEFT WITH CSX?
18:44:46 >> NICOLE LYNN WITH THE APPLICANT, ARDURRA GROUP.
THE ADJACENT USE ACTUALLY HAS AN ENTRANCE ALREADY THAT
CONNECTS BACK DOWN TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACK.
THEREFORE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CROSS OVER THROUGH THAT
PROPERTY, THROUGH THAT CROSS-ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING TO
RECROSS THE -- THE PRIVATE LINE AT THAT POINT.
18:45:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO --
18:45:08 >> THE PRIVATE RAIL LINE.
18:45:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THIS ALL PROPOSED OR DEFINITE?
18:45:12 >> THIS IS EXISTING.
THERE IS ALREADY SPACE TO THE WEST OF WHERE THAT
PRIVATE RAIL LINE ENDS THAT YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH NOW.
18:45:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, WITH THAT
PROPERTY NOT BEING DEVELOPED TO THE WEST, EVENTUALLY
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO --
18:45:32 >> THERE IS AN EXISTING GATE THERE, SIR, ALREADY.
SO YOU CAN ALREADY ACCESS IT.
NOT AS IMPROVED AS IT WOULD BE WITH REDEVELOPMENT.
18:45:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS POINT, IT IS NOT IMPROVED --
SO WHICH MEANS IF YOU DRIVE A FORD F-150 OR SUV OR
FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, YOU CAN GET ACROSS THE UNIMPROVED
SECTION TO GET AROUND.
18:45:57 >> YOU CAN GET ACROSS IT IN.
18:46:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
18:46:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE QUESTION.
WHEN TALK OF THE DEAL, TWO ALTERNATIVES.
18:46:09 >> YES.
18:46:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MISS WELLS, WOULD THAT BE IN WRITING IF THE ONE
PARTY DOES NOT VACATE THE OTHER SIDE THAT THE DEAL WILL
STAND TERM AND THAT WAY THEY DON'T RENEGE.
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
18:46:33 >>CATE WELLS:
SO WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSES THAT IF CFI SELLS
THE PROPERTY, THEN ESSENTIALLY THE PROPOSAL FOR THEIR
SALE IS THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THEM
SELLING THE PROPERTY.
AND THE SITE PLAN COMMITS THAT WE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED
TO HAVE RESIDENTS MOVE IN WITHIN THAT TWO-YEAR PERIOD.
THAT WILL BE -- ESSENTIALLY THE ENFORCEMENT THAT WILL
ALLOW, RESTRICT, THE -- PROVIDE FOR THE SAFETY MEASURE
THAT WILL ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD NOT BE MOVING
IN WHEN THE CFI FACILITY WAS STILL OPERATING.
IT PROVIDES FOR THE END OF THE OPERATION OF THE CFI
FACILITY.
18:47:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, YOU MAY PROCEED.
18:47:24 >> THAT WAS SORT OF THE WAY TO GET AROUND -- TO ENSURE
THAT THERE WASN'T -- CFI WASN'T OPERATING.
AND IN ORDER TO AVOID HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE
MITIGATION.
AND THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS THAT THAT IS EITHER IN THE
WORKS OR GOING TO HAPPEN SOON.
BUT CERTAINLY NOTHING -- NOTHING WOULD START UNTIL THE
PROPERTY HAD ACTUALLY BEEN SOLD.
AND SO, THE IDEA IS, IF -- IF WOODFIELD STARTS
IMMEDIATELY, THEN, YOU KNOW, -- AND THEY HAVEN'T SOLD,
NOTHING WOULD REALLY BE TRIGGERED AND MOVE FORWARD
UNDER THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE.
BUT WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT THINGS MOVE ALONG QUICKLY.
18:48:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU MAY PROCEED.
18:48:14 >> IS MR. NONY.
IS HE ON LINE?
18:48:18 >> YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
18:48:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN HEAR YOU.
WERE YOU SWORN IN --
18:48:25 >> MY CAMERA WAS OFF, AND I DIDN'T KNOW MY TIME.
18:48:28 >>CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[SWEARING IN]
18:48:30 >> I DO.
18:48:32 >>CLERK:
THANK YOU.
18:48:35 >> GOOD EVENING TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND STAFF AND THE
PUBLIC THAT ARE ATTENDING THIS MEETING.
I AM PAUL NONY.
I AM A TOXICOLOGIST.
A PH.D. IN TOXICOLOGY AND CERTIFIED SAFETY.
I HAVE EXPERIENCE CHEMICAL RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TO
CHLORINE RELEASES OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRAIN
DERAILMENT AND THE DEBARTLO CLEAN.
AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHLORINE AND SAFETY.
CHLORINE WHEN IT RELEASES A HEAVY DENSE GAS.
WHEN THAT COMPRESSED LIQUID COMES OUT SOMETHING LIKE A
CAR, IT STAYS LOW TO THE GROUND UNTIL IT WARMS UP AND
ACCEPTABLE OF BARRIERS LIKE WALLS THAT CAN PREVENT ITS
MITIGATION FOR MIGRATION ALONG THE GROUND.
SMALLER RELEASES LIKE A VALVE ON A TANK CAR AND
FACILITY START AS A GAS AND DO NOT TRAVEL VERY FAR
BEFORE THEY DISSIPATE.
CHLORINE GAS DISSIPATES FASTER IN WARMER WEATHER SUCH
AS TAMPA AND TRAVEL WITH THE PREVAILING WIND.
BASED ON DATA, THE PROPOSED WOODFIELD WILL ONLY BE DOWN
WIND OF THE CFI FACILITY.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW CHLORINE IS TRANSFERRED AND
STORED.
CHLORINE IS TRANSPORTED IN 90-TON RAILCARS.
LIKE CSX RAILS.
BUT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND U.S. AND EVERY MAJOR
CITIES.
IT IS TRANSPORTED IN LOWER CONTAINERS.
TODAY CHLORINE TANK CARS ARE THE MOST ROBUST TANK CAR.
JANUARY 2009, D.O.T. REQUIRED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
NEXT-GENERATION TANK CAR THAT HAD FULL SUPPORT OF THE
CHEMICAL INDUSTRY.
THE NEW TANK CAR HAS SIDE IMPACT PUNCTURE RESISTANCE.
ARMOR OF A HALF-INCH-THICK STEEL, STRENGTH IN VALVES,
TOP FITTINGS AND NOZZLES.
CONSISTENT OF AN OUTER STEEL JACKET.
INTERNAL INSULATION LAYER OF MATERIALS LIKE CERAMIC
FIBERS AND FIBERGLASS AND A INTERNAL ONE-INCH-THICK
TANK THAT DELIVERS THE CHLORINE.
THEY ARE MADE TO WITHSTAND UNBELIEVABLE HEAVY FORCE
LIKE A HIGH-SPEED TRAIN DERAILMENT OR WHAT MAY OCCUR
WITH ATTEMPTED SABOTAGE OR TERRORISM.
HISTORICALLY RELEASE HAVE ONLY HANDS BECAUSE OF MAJOR
TRAIN HE DERAILMENTS.
STORAGE OF A CHLORINE TANK CAR OR SLOW SPEED MONTHS OF
COLOR TANKERS ON RAIL LINE OF CFI PRESENT PRACTICALLY
ZERO RISK OF A LARGE-SCALE RELEASE BECAUSE OF THE ARMOR
ON THESE TANK CARS.
IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN HOW STRONG THE CARS ARE.
THE SAFEST PLANK PLACE FOR A CHLORINE RAIL TANK CAR FOR
AN ACCIDENTAL RELEASE IS IN A SECURED LOCATION,
STATIONARY WITH THE BOWS PROPERLY SECURED LIKE THEY ARE
AT CFI.
SMALLER NONDERAILMENT RELEASES -- A RELEASE OF GAS THAT
OCCURS NOT BECAUSE THE TRAIN HAS COLLIDED, FROM A RAIL
TANK CAR DOWN 50% SINCE 2010.
IN 2019, ONLY FOUR SMALL RELEASES IN TRANSPORTATION
INVOLVING CHLORINE IN THE U.S. AND CANADA.
OUT 52,000 SHIPMENTS.
RELEASE IN MITIGATION TECHNOLOGY OF SMALL RELEASES OF
CHLORINES ADVANCED SO THAT THESE RELEASES ARE KEPT
SMALL AND LOWER IMPACT IF THEY EVEN OCCUR AT ALL.
WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY SINCE EVEN THE '90S AND EARLY
2000S.
MOST SMALL CHLORINE RELEASES OCCUR BECAUSE OF
IMPROPERLY CLOSED OR SECURED VALVES AT THE SHIPPER
OPINION THESE ISSUES ARE UNLIKELY TO ARISE AFTER THE
TANK CAR HAS TRAVELED MANY, MANY MILES AND IN STORAGE
AT A FACILITY LIKE CFI.
BY WANT TO TALK LITTLE BIT ABOUT CFI'S CHLORINE SAFETY
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED NUMEROUS PREVENTIVE AND MITIGATED
CONTROLS TO ELIMINATE AND MITIGATE CHLORINE RELEASE
DURING OPERATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE BLEACH PRODUCTION BUILDING IS ENCLOSED
AND EQUIPPED WITH A CHLORINE GAS SCRUBBER AND A
CHLORINE GAS DETECTION SYSTEM THAT TRIGGER AN AUTO SHUT
DOWN SYSTEM.
THE RAILCAR UNLOADING AREA IS EQUIPPED WITH A DELUGE
SYSTEM THAT WOULD RELEASE CHEMICAL THAT WILL CAPTURE
ANY CHLORINE THAT WAS RELEASED IF VAPORS WERE DETECTED
DURING THE CHLORINE TRANSFER PROCESS DURING THE RAIL
TRANSFER FACILITY.
EXCESS FLOW VALVES ARE ENGAGED DURING THE CHLORINE
PROCESS THAT WILL CLOSE.
IF THERE IS A BREAK IN THE SYSTEM AND PREVENT
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF CHLORINE TO BE RELEASED AND CSI
PERIMETER WILL HAVE A CHLORINE DEFENSE SYSTEM THAT WILL
ALARM IF A BEAK LEAK.
MITIGATED PATROLS IN THEIR EMERGENCY RESPONSE
PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN EVALUATED AND APPROVED BY
REPRESENTATIVES OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE HAVE MEMOS FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY EPC
INDICATING THAT CFI HAS INSTALLED PROPER PREVENTIVE
SYSTEMS TO MINIMIZE CHLORINE RELEASES FROM THEIR
OPERATIONS.
SO, AGAIN, I WANT TO GO INTO SOME OF THE MITIGATION
PROCEDURES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED FOR A THE AT 1.
WOODFIELD'S UPDATED PLANS HAVE DESIGN FACTORS THAT
PROVIDE GREAT PROCEDURE TEXAS FOR VISITORS RELEASE
CHLORINE FROM CFI TO MY GREAT ON TO THE PROPERTY.
SHIFTING RESIDENTS AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY GIVE
US MORE DISTANCE.
DISTANCE IS IMPORTANT.
A TEN-FOOT-WALL PROPOSED ALONG THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE
DEVELOPMENT.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE A LARGE SCALE RELEASE -- WHICH IS
HIGHLY UNLIKELY, BUT CHLORINES MIGRATE ALONG THE
GROUND.
TEN-FOOT WALL WILL AT LEAST PRESENTS A BARRIER TO
PREVENT THE MITIGATION OF THOSE CONCENTRATIONS OF
CHLORINE FROM MOVING THAT WAY.
AND THAT IS ONLY IF THE PREVAILING WINDS ARE FROM THE
SOUTH.
AS I MENTIONED, THE PREVAILING WINDS ARE NOT LIKELY TO
BE FROM THE SOUTH, ONLY 18% OF THE TIME BUT THIS WALL
WOULD HELP WITH THAT.
REDESIGNING THE PARKING GARAGE WITH THE CLOSED SOUTHERN
WALLS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL BARRIER FOR ANYTHING THAT
MAY COME ACROSS A TEN-FOOT WALL.
ADDITIONAL INGRESS, EGRESS.
IF PEOPLE WERE THERE AND THEY GO TO THEIR CARS.
THERE WILL BE EXCESS EGRESS ROUTES TO GET OUT OF THE
FACILITY OR GET OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSAL TO INSTALL A FENCE LINE MONITORING SYSTEM
ALONG WITH A PUBLIC SHELTER IN PLACE WARNING SYSTEM IS
REALLY KEY.
WE KNOW CFI HAS A FENCE LINE SYSTEM BEING ABLE FOR THIS
DEVELOPMENT OF CHLORINE AND HAVE A NOTIFICATION IN
PLACE TO GET PEOPLE TO SHELTER IN PLACE INSIDE THEIR
BUILDINGS THAT INCIDENTALLY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY INTAKES
THAT WOULD BRING CHLORINE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
IT WOULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE OF PROVIDING PEOPLE A PLACE
TO GO AND TO BE ABLE TO WAIT OUT THE INCIDENT AS THE
CHLORINE DISSIPATES.
FINALLY THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN THAT
IS EXERCISED BY THE DEVELOPMENT'S MANAGEMENT AND
RESIDENTS WITH ITS NEIGHBORS THE CITY OF TAMPA IS KEY.
AND THAT IS IN THE PLANS AS WELL.
JUST SUMMARIZE, WITH EFFECT OF THESE FACTORS WHAT CFI
HAS DONE TO MAKE IT SAFER AND PROPOSED MITIGATION, VERY
SMALL RISK OF A SIGNIFICANT CHLORINE RELEASE FROM THE
FACILITY RESULTING IN INJURY TO RESIDENTS AND OR
VISITORS TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
MY OPINION, BASE ON THE REGULATION OF CHLORINE USE
TODAY AND HANDLING AN CFI'S ABILITY TO STOP CHLORINE
RELEASES BEFORE OFF-SIDE IMPACT, THE APARTMENT USE WITH
THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE
UNDULY AT RISK.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU.
18:57:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
18:57:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT
OF TECHNOLOGY AND INFORMATION -- HE IS AN EXPERT AND
RIGHTLY SO --
18:57:25 >> CAN WE STOP OUR TIME WHILE WE HAVE QUESTIONS, THANK
YOU.
SORRY.
18:57:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SOMETHING HAPPENS "VERY RARELY."
WHAT DOES RARELY MEAN, THAT MEANS IT HAS HAPPENED
BEFORE.
IF IT HAPPENED RARELY, IT MEANS IT HAPPENED BEFORE, AM
I CORRECT?
18:57:40 >> YOU ARE CORRECT.
18:57:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
PLAN YOUR BUILDINGS -- THEY ARE
BUILT TO WITHSTAND A LOT AND SOME OF THEM HAVE GONE
DOWN, IS THAT CORRECT?
18:57:49 >> IN THE PAST THEY HAVE, YES.
LESSER --
18:57:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGES -- WE ARE
MAKING ASSUMPTIONS HERE IN MY PART.
I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOU, SIR, AT ALL, BUT THE WHALE
ATMOSPHERE OF CONVERSATION UP UNTIL NOW THAT THIS
RAILROAD WON'T BE HERE.
THIS IS COMING DOWN.
THIS IS GOING TO MOVE.
THIS IS GOING TO LEAVE.
I AM A FACTUAL TYPE GUY, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
ALL THAT MEANS THAT WE TALK ABOUT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
AISLE.
FOR MY CLARITY, I LIKE TO KNOW THE PERCENTAGES OF THESE
THINGS THAT ARE HANG.
IF A RAILROAD IS GOING TO GO ACROSS A VACANT LAND THAT
IS THERE NOW -- I ASSUME THAT IS WHAT I HEARD OF
EARLIER AND I BELIEVE CONVERSATION ABOUT -- DON'T WORRY
THIS WILL HAPPEN AND THIS WILL HAPPEN.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN TO THE WHOLE
SCHEME.
THERE IS A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT I AM NOT POSITIVE
ON.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CLARITY WHAT WAS SAID IN THE
LAST 40 MINUTES.
18:58:48 >> SIR, I ASSUME THAT IS TO ME.
I WOULD SAY WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS ABOUT RISK.
AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT GOES WITH ZERO RISK.
JUST NEED TO GET THAT OUT CLEARLY.
WE ALL TAKE RISKS EVERY DAY.
I THINK WHAT I STRIDES TO DO WITH MY ANALYSIS HERE IS
TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE RISKS.
AND YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK IN TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN
ACCIDENTAL RELEASES OF CHLORINE FROM TANK CARS THAT ARE
SITTING STILL BECAUSE THE VALVES HAD A MALFUNCTION AND
SOMEBODY TOOK A HOSE OFF TOO EARLY WHEN THEY CLOSE THE
VALVE.
THERE IS ALWAYS HUMAN ERROR AT RISK.
BUT WE HAVE TO STOP THAT RISK FROM BECOMING A HEALTH
IMPACT.
18:59:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EXCUSE ME.
THEN WHAT I AM UNDERSTANDING.
VERY RARELY MEANS ONLY BY HUMAN MISTAKE OR HUMAN ERROR
THAT THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO THE TANK.
THE TANK HAS NEVER EVER BEEN MANUFACTURED
MALFUNCTIONING TO EXPLODE -- NOTHING HAS HAPPENED BY
TANK.
IT IS ALWAYS BY HUMAN ERROR?
18:59:56 >> YOU CAN CALL THE MANUFACTURER PROBLEMS HUMAN ERROR
TOO.
I WOULD SAY THERE CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN DESIGN FAULTS
THAT DIDN'T -- SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT AND NEXT GEN
WEREN'T CAUGHT.
AND THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE WHERE THEY FILL THE LARGE
TANKERS UP AT THE SHIPPERS.
THAT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT FOUR
NONACCIDENTAL RELEASES OF CHLORINE OUT OF 52,000
SHIPMENTS IN 2019 IN THE U.S. AND CANADA, THAT WILL BE
THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO HERE.
BUT MITIGATION MECHANISMS IN PLACE FOR ONE OUT OF
452,000 OF CFI, SIGNIFICANT MITIGATION EFFORTS IN PLACE
ON-SITE AS WELL AS OFF-SITE IF IT WASN'T SIGNIFICANCE
-- IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH RELEASE TO HAVE IMPACT
ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THE MITIGATION MEASURES WILL GREATLY REDUCE IMPACTS.
19:00:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I GUESS A PERCENTAGE WOULD BE OF ALL THE FACILITIES
LIKE THIS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A -- THEN YOU
CAN JUST SAY THAT THE SYSTEM -- NOT JUST ONE SITE, BUT
THE SYSTEM HAS THIS PERCENT OF WHATEVER IS OUT THERE.
BUT WHEN WE GO TO ONE SITE, IT CAN'T JUST BE BASED ON
ONE SITE.
IT HAS TO BE ON THE BASIS OF ALL THE SYSTEMS COMBINED
WITH THE RATIO OF ACCIDENTS OR HUMAN ERROR.
I AM NOT ARGUING.
I AM JUST SAYING MY POINT.
THANK YOU.
19:01:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I MAY, IN OUR PACKET OF INFORMATION
THAT WE GET, I AM LOOKING AT A REPORT FROM APEX --
A-P-E-X.
DO YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE?
19:01:44 >> YES, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THEM.
19:01:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SMITH THAT PACKET THAT WAS PUT
TOGETHER AS A HAZARD ASSESSMENT FOR PROPOSED
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATION TO A BLEACH PLANT.
A CHLORINE PLANT IS A BLEACH PLANT.
19:02:04 >> IN THIS CASE CFI IS, THAT'S CORRECT.
19:02:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE CEO OF GULFSTEAM, LOTS 2251 WEST
TYSON.
I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGHOUT LONG LIST OF THING
BUT LONG-TERM EXPOSURE TO LOW CONCENTRATIONS IS
PROBLEMATIC.
THIS CAME FROM A 2011 STUDY.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS ARE PRETERM BIRTH, SEVERE
RESPIRATORY, PULMONARY FIBROSIS, ACUTE RESPIRATORY
DISEASE SYNDROME AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN
THIS REPORT.
BUT I AM GOING BACK DOWN TO -- WHAT MY MAIN CONCERN
WAS, THE TRANSPORTATION OF THIS CHLORINE, CHLORINE GAS,
WHATEVER IS MANUFACTURED OR THE -- SAYS TRANSPORTING
CHLORINE ALSO POSES MORE RISK THAN ANY OTHER REGULATED
SUBSTANCE.
NOW THIS REPORT CAME FROM 2005-2009; HOWEVER, CHLORINE
LED THE LIST WITH 83 MAJOR INJURIES AND NINE FATALITIES
OUT OF 48 RAIL AND ROAD ACCIDENTS COMPARED TO GASOLINE
TRANSPORTATION.
AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS BEEN WITH THE RAIL, THE
SHIPMENTS OF THE CHLORINE, THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF A
RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
BUT MORE ESPECIALLY, IF THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT -- AND I
KNOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE MITIGATION PROPOSED IN CASE
SOMETHING HAPPENS, BUT IF THOSE ENTRANCE AND EXITS ARE
BLOCKED BY THESE RAILCARS FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AGAIN, AS MR. MIRANDA RELAYING THIS -- AND I AM NOT
DISPUTING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT THIS DOCUMENTATION
IN FRONT OF ME IS SAYING SLIGHT VARIATIONS.
SO I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, SIR.
19:04:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON.
I NEED WHOEVER IS -- WHO WHOEVER IS TALKING OR DOING --
THEY NEED TO MUTE THEIR MICS.
WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN CONVERSATION.
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
19:04:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THE -- THE ENTRANCE TO THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE MAP,
HAS THE RAIL GOING ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND YOU TALKED ABOUT -- IN DETAIL THE ARMOR THAT IS
AROUND THESE NEW CARS.
IF -- IF SOMEONE WAS IN A PICKUP TRUCK DRIVING AT HIGH
SPEED, DRUNK OR WHATEVER AND HIT ONE OF THESE, HOW --
HOW PROTECTED ARE THEY?
COULD A CAR HIT -- COULD A CAR HITTING IT AT 30 MILES
PER HOUR CAUSE IT TO RUPTURE OR WILL IT TAKE 100 MILES
PER HOUR.
ANY IDEA?
19:05:04 >> MAY I JUST MAKE A QUICK REMARK THAT THE RAIL LINE --
WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LINES, THE SPUR LINE ON THE
EAST SIDE TO CFI, THOSE ARE WHERE THE RAIL LINES WITH
THE -- WITH THE CHLORINE ARE -- THIS IS THE CHLORINE.
THIS IS CORN SYRUP.
THIS IS GOING UP TO THE CORN SYRUP FACTORY.
19:05:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT ABOUT TO GET ON --
19:05:27 >> UP HERE THE CFI LINE -- THE RAIL LINE --
19:05:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO GET ON THE PENINSULA.
A MAP OF THE WHOLE PENINSULA?
19:05:37 >> I THINK WE HAVE ONE IN THE BEGINNING.
19:05:40 >> SO, I AM SORRY, I WILL LET YOU EXPLAIN, BUT I WANT TO
CLARIFY THAT THE LINE CROSSING THIS PARTICULAR DRIVEWAY
DOES NOT HAVE THE CHLORINE BUT MR. NONY CAN EXPLAIN.
19:05:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHERE --
19:05:54 >> THE RAIL LINE COME IN HERE AND CONNECTS THIS WAY
INTO THE CFI SITE.
IT CONTINUES THIS WAY.
19:06:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST THE PEOPLE GETTING TO YOUR
FACILITY, WILL THEY CROSS THE RAIL LINE AT ALL AND
WHERE?
19:06:08 >> THEY WILL NOT CROSS THE RAIL LINE -- THEY
POTENTIALLY WOULD.
THE RAIL LINE COMES ALL THE WAY FROM DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
IT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH --
19:06:16 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST ON THIS PENINSULA.
19:06:20 >> ON THIS PENINSULA, IT RUNNING DOWN TYSON.
19:06:22 >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY WOULD BE PARALLEL BUT NEVER CROSS
IT.
19:06:25 >> RIGHT.
AND THEN THEY WOULD -- YOU THEY WOULDN'T CROSS IT FOR
THE DRIVEWAY.
AND NICOLE --
19:06:31 >> FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT THE RAIL ACTUALLY CROSSES TYSON CLOSER TO WEST
SHORE BOULEVARD.
AT THE SIGNAL IT CROSSES OVER.
SO ANYONE CROSSING INTO RATTLESNAKE.
19:06:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW ABOUT WHERE IT GOES PARALLEL, IS
IT POSSIBLE THAT A TRUCK CAN VEER OVER -- SOMEONE
DRUNKEN HITS OVER.
19:06:52 >> SURE, YES.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC COULD DO THAT.
19:06:57 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
BACK TO THE TOXICOLOGIST.
SO -- BUT IS IT -- DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IF -- SO NOW
THE CAR MAY NOT HIT IT HEADLINE AND TURN AND HIT IT IN
THE SIDE.
SOMETHING IF THE CAR HITS AT LOW SPEED WILL CAUSE IT TO
RUPTURE OR -- HOW HIGH OF A SPEED AND HUE BIG OF A CAR
WOULD IT TAKE TO RUPTURE IT?
19:07:18 >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I HAVE SEEN TRAIN DERAILMENT WHERE THE CHLORINE CAR HAS
BEEN HIT WITH FULLY LOADED FREIGHT TRAIN CARS AND JUST
HAS SCRATCHES ON THE OUTER SHELL.
IF YOU DROVE YOUR TRUCK 100 MILES PER HOUR INTO ONE OF
THESE TANK CARS HEAD ON, YOU WOULD DESTROY THE TRUCK
AND FEW SCRATCHES ON THE PAINT.
THEY ARE TO DESIGN TO WITHSTAND 65-MILE-PER-HOUR TRAIN
DERAILMENT.
19:07:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD BUILD HOUSES THAT WAY.
YOU SAYS IT VERY UNLIKELY THERE WILL BE ANY KIND OF
LEAK.
BUT IF THERE WAS AND SOME OF IT GOT OVER THE FENCE AND
WENT INTO ONE OF THE UNITS, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WOULD
IT HAVE ON THE PEOPLE INSIDE, AND WOULD IT MAKE A
DIFFERENCE WHETHER THEY HAVE THEIR WINDOW OPEN OR AIR
CONDITIONER ON?
ANY PROTECTION FROM WINDOWS, AIR CONDITIONER.
A MILD EFFECT ON THE PEOPLE OR SERIOUS IMPACT?
19:08:20 >> WELL, THE THING TO REMEMBER THAT CHLORINE WANTS TO
DISSIPATE INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND GOING TO BE A RATHER SHORT DURATION EVENT IF IT IS
A SHORT RELEASE, LIKE FROM A VALVE.
PEOPLE OUTSIDE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO SMELL IT.
IT WILL SMELL LIKE YOUR NEAREST SWIMMING POOL.
IT CAN HAVE SHORT-TERM IRRITATION EFFECTS THAT PEOPLE
WOULD HAVE.
NO PROBLEM SURVIVING AND HAVE NO ONGOING EFFECT, BUT
WHAT I FEEL LIKE HAS BEEN DONE TO MITIGATE SEVERE
INJURY IS GETTING THE PEOPLE FARTHER AWAY.
HAVING A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THEM TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO SHELTER OFFICER THERE IS AN ALARM.
HAVING AN ALARM SYSTEM ALONG THE FENCE LINE.
A LOT OF WAYS TO GET PEOPLE NOTIFIED BECAUSE TIMING IS
OF THE ESSENCE.
IF THERE IS A RELEASE, INSIDE.
HVAC SYSTEMS WILL NOT PULL FRESH AIR FROM OUTSIDE.
PART OF THE CODE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE
BUILDINGS.
SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THEIR INTERNAL HVAC
SYSTEM.
SO KEEPING PEOPLE FARTHER AWAY.
GIVING THEM MORE DISTANCE AND HAVING WAY INSIDE THIS IS
NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT NO CHLORINE WILL COME IN THROUGH
SOMEBODY'S WINDOW, BUT WE HAVE SEEN -- IT HAS BEEN
STUDIED AND SEEN FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS WITH
THESE TYPE OF CHEMICALS THAT ANY TYPE OF BARRIER HELPS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE SURVIVED LARGE-SCALE -- IN
SOUTH CAROLINA, A WOMAN SURVIVED IN HER CAR 50 FEET
AWAY FROM THE WRECK WHILE THERE WERE PEOPLE FARTHER
AWAY WHO DIED.
HER CAR PROVIDED HER ENOUGH PROTECTION THAT SHE
SURVIVED WITH THAT CHLORINE.
19:10:04 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF SHE WAS -- JUST ASKING QUESTIONS
FOR EDUCATION.
SO -- BUT IF SHE WAS STANDING 50 FEET AWAY WITHOUT A
CAR, THEN WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?
19:10:13 >> -- IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR HER.
SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED WITH HIGHLY INJURIOUS
OUNTS..
19:10:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.
19:10:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.
19:10:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL RESERVE MY QUESTIONS LATER.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
19:10:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, YOU ARE SITTING HERE NOW.
YOU USED TO SIT RIGHT THERE.
19:10:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
19:10:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW WHEN YOU USED TO SIT THERE.
THE AIR QUALITY SOMETIMES -- MR. MIRANDA, WOULD BE
COUGHING.
19:10:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU AND HI THE SAME HAIRDO.
19:10:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE COUGHED BECAUSE THE AIR IN THE
ROOM -- THIS BUILDING OR WHATEVER MAKES US KIND OF -- I
WOULDN'T SAY SICK, BUT IRRITATES US.
19:11:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM JUST GOING TO ASK
YOU IF YOU JUST CONFINE YOUR DISCUSSION --
19:11:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GETTING THERE, MR. SHELBY.
I AM GETTING THERE.
19:11:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
19:11:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THIS.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTING A WALL, WE BREATHE
AIR.
I AM JUST TRYING FIGURE OUT HOW IS THIS WALL GOING TO
STOP CHLORINE IN THE AIR TO PEOPLE.
WHEN WE ARE SAYING MITIGATION IS TO PUT A WALLING.
SO I AM LOOKING AT -- IF EVERY DAY, IF POLLEN DROPS
FROM MY CAR EVERY DAY AND I SEE ALL THIS YELLOW ON MY
CAR, HOW IS THE WALL GOING TO STOP IT?
I MEAN -- YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS DIFFERENT.
BUT WE BREATHE IT EVERY DAY.
I WAS AT AN EVENT THIS SUNDAY AND AROUND TREES AND I
WAS BREATHING IT.
THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS.
IF YOU HAVE A WALL THAT IS MITIGATING TO STOP THE
CHLORINE.
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
19:12:03 >> I THINK MR. NONY CAN REEXPLAIN HOW CHLORINE WORKS.
19:12:06 >> CHLORINE GAS IS A DENSE GAS.
IT TENDS TO HUG THE GROUND.
SO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN REAL RELEASES AND TEST
RELEASES, THAT IF WE HAVE BARRIERS ON THE GROUND, IT
WILL -- INHIBIT THE CHLORINE CLOUD FROM MOVING AND NICK
THAT YOU CAN TO DO SLOW IT DOWN AS IT WARMS UP.
THE WARMER IT GETS, IT WANTS TO GO UP IN THE
ATMOSPHERE.
ANYTHING YOU CAN TO DO SLOW IT DOWN WILL HELP CLOSER TO
THE SOURCE WHILE IT WARMS UP AND DISSIPATES INTO THE
ATMOSPHERE.
IF THE CHLORINE DIDN'T BEHAVE LIKE THAT, I WOULD
TOTALLY UNDER STAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
BUT THE BIGGEST THREAT IS A LARGE-SCALE LIQUID RELEASE
THAT CREATES A DENSE GAS.
WITH THAT DENSE GAS, IT WANTS TO TRAVEL ON THE GROUND.
19:12:53 >> IT HITS A WALL, COOLED UPRIGHT.
IT WILL GET COOLED UP AND IN THE DESERT OF UTAH WITH
THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
A WELL-KNOWN PROPERTY OF CHLORINE GAS.
19:13:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
ANYONE ELSE?
19:13:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT TRYING TO BE REDUNDANT AND
NOT DISPUTE THIS IN ANY WAY, BUT ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS WE
ARE MAKING HERE IS BASED ON THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE
LEVEL OF HUMIDITY IN THE AIR.
AND I AM NOT A SCIENTIST.
BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT.
BUT IF YOU HAD A DAY LIKE TODAY WHERE THE AIR IS THICK
AND HEAVY, THAT WIND IS NOT GOING TO CARRY AND
DISSIPATE.
IT WILL BE STAGNANT FOR A WHILE.
OR IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER ASSUMPTION, IT COULD HAPPEN
HERE, HOPE IT NEVER HAPPENS AND IT HAVEN'T HAPPENED IN
A WHILE, BUT CERTAINLY THE THINGS THAT COME UP FROM
AFRICA, THEY CALL HURRICANES.
AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENS.
AND THIS IS AN ASSUMPTION ON MY PART.
JUST LIKE WE ARE MAKING AN ASSUMPTION ON EVERYONE'S
PART.
BUT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING, I AM TALKING ABOUT
THE CHLORINE WHO HAPPENS TO BE NEAR THE ZONING.
WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE OF THOSE TANKER TRUCKS TURNS OVER?
IT IS STUCK THERE.
STOPPED THERE.
YOU CAN'T MOVE BECAUSE OF HURRICANE.
YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
YOU SAY YOU HAVE -- AND I CHUCKLE AT MYSELF SOMETIMES.
EVERYBODY IS SAYING WE WILL PRO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION
TO GET OUT.
PROVIDING NO ONE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL OVER THE WORLD.
YOU CAN PROVIDE ALL YOU WANT, BUT IF TRAFFIC IS NOT
MOVING, WHAT YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK.
THAT IS NOT AN ASSUMPTION.
THAT IS FACT.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE ALLOW AND DURING THE HURRICANE
SEASON.
YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE-DAYS NOTICE IT IS GOING TO HIT.
YOU CAN LEAVE.
BUT US, WE ARE HUMAN, WE SAY, NAH, WE CAN LEAVE
TOMORROW.
WE CAN LEAVE IN AN HOUR.
WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE A JAM ALL OVER.
SOMETHING HAPPENED IN OCALA, AND PEOPLE DOWN HERE CAN'T
GET OUT.
THIS IS THE FACT.
IS NOT I AM NOT AGAINST THIS BUT I AM AGAINST SPEAKING
IN SUPERLATIVE THAT IN MY OPINION HAVE FLAWS.
THEY HAVE FLAWS BECAUSE THE UNCOMMON THING OF NATURE.
NATURE IS THE MOST POWERFUL THING IN THE WORLD.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:15:24 >> MR. CHAIR.
TO FOLLOW ON THAT ITEM NUMBER 17 THAT YOU
SHOWED US WAS TRANSPORTATION IN CASE OF EVACUATION
ORDER.
AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT, YOUR EXPERT WITNESS
SAYS TIME OF THE ESSENCE.
TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
GOING BACK TO WHAT MR. MIRANDA SAID THAT IF A RAILROAD
TRAIN -- RAILROAD CROSSINGS BLOCKED IN FRONT OF THE
CHEMICAL TREATMENT PLANT AND THE OTHER ENDS OF TYSON
WHERE IT CROSSES TYSON, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GET IN TO EVACUATE THOSE PEOPLE
OUT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
19:16:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU MAY CONTINUE.
19:16:10 >> WELL, I WANT TO JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT PART OF THE
REASON WE BROUGHT DR. NONY HERE IS BECAUSE HE IS A
SCIENTIST.
HE IS SPEAKING ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF THESE TANKERS.
CFI'S REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THEY
ARE EFFECTIVE DURING A HURRICANE.
THAT THEY ARE STRONG ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN WITHSTAND
100-MILE-PER-HOUR PICKUP TRUCK AND A TERRORISM, A
HIGH-SPEED CRASH.
SO THAT -- THEY -- THEY CAN -- THAT THE MOST LIKE LIE
-- AND EVEN THAT IS NOT LIKELY -- A SMALL EVENT THAT
WOULD BE WITHSTOOD BY THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT CFI
IS ALREADY HAVING THAT WE WOULD ADD TO BY OUR
MITIGATION MEASURES.
CERTAINLY WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR OWN PLANS THAT
WOULD ALLOW US TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS BOTH FROM THE
-- THE DANGERS POTENTIALLY FROM CFI AS WELL AS THE
DANGER FROM A HURRICANE REQUIRING THEM TO EVACUATE WHEN
THE EVACUATION ORDERS ARE ISSUED BY PINELLAS AND
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
SO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE DR. NONY
ADDRESS.
WITH REGARD TO TRANSPORTATION, CERTAINLY AFTER 2009,
THE RESERVATIONS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT'S WHY
EVENTS HAD DECREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND I THINK DR. NONY CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE
HAVE REBUTTAL.
AND WHAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY IS THAT WE COME WITH
SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.
WE HAVE DECREASED DENSITY SIGNIFICANTLY.
WE HAVE -- WE HAVE MADE IMPORTANT CHANGES TO THE DESIGN
OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE MADE THE PROJECT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL USES AND IN PARTICULAR WITH CFI,
WE WORKED VERY HARD WITH CITY STAFF.
WE WORKED VERY HARD WITH CHEMICAL FORMULATORS.
WE HAVE A PLAN THAT MR. STEADY RECOMMENDS THAT THE
PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS CONSISTENT WITH 8.11.5.
THAT THE CITY STAFF FINDS COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE ARE IN AN AREA WHERE WE ARE FINDING THE INDUSTRIAL
AND THE RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL MEETING EACH OTHER
AND THE COMPLICATION THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RESOLVE, BUT
WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT.
WE MET OUR BURDEN WITH COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
IN THE RECORD.
WE MET OUR BURDEN IN DOING THAT TONIGHT.
AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE OUR
PROJECT TONIGHT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:18:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
19:18:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK THE TOXICOLOGIST ONE MORE
QUESTION.
IF HE IS STILL BEFORE HE LEAVES.
AND LEGAL CAN CUT ME OFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY QUESTION.
BUT, PROFESSOR -- OR DOCTOR, IN -- IN TEN YEARS, LET'S
SAY WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AND IN TEN YEARS, A BIG
EVENT HAPPENS, AND THE PRESS DES SENDS ON THE PROJECT
AND SAYS WHY DID THE STUPID CITY COUNCIL BACK WHEN VOTE
IN, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE -- IF YOU WERE THERE,
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IN OUR DEFENSE AT THAT TIME?
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT THE DECISION WE MADE TONIGHT
IN OUR DEFENSE?
19:19:38 >> I WOULD SAY THERE IS NO DECISION THAT
DOESN'T COME WITH SOME CONSIDERATION.
I THINK WHAT I SEE BEFORE -- BEFORE THIS GROUP IS A
DECISION THAT INVOLVES A LOT OF SCIENCE, A LOT OF DATA,
A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
WHERE WE WERE IN THE '90S AND EARLY 2000S AND WHERE WE
ARE NOW WITH CHEMICAL SAFETY AND YOU CAN'T KEEP EVERY
INCIDENT FROM HAPPENING.
BUT IF AN INCIDENT DOES HAPPEN, YOU GOT ENOUGH SCIENCE
AND ENOUGH MITIGATING PROCEDURES AND ENOUGH INFORMATION
AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO SAY THE CHANCES OF SOMETHING LIKE
THIS HAPPENING WAS TO SO LOW, THAT IT MAKES SENSE NOT A
APPROVE.
I THINK AS A SCIENTIST AND A TOXICOLOGIST.
I WORK WITH THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME.
AND IF PEOPLE REALLY KNEW WHERE THE RISKS WERE AROUND
THEIR HOMES, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, THEY WOULD PROBABLY
HAVE THEIR EYES OPEN.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS FACILITY
ARE UNDULY AT RISK IN THIS SITUATION.
AND I WOULD -- I WOULD DEFEND WHAT I HAVE TOLD YOU.
BECAUSE IT IS PROOF.
SCIENTIFIC FACT.
AND THIS IS HOW WE AN ACCESS RISK.
NEVER NO RISK, BUT WE WEIGH IT AND SAY WHAT ARE THE
CHANCES THAT SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS.
19:21:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE MORE QUESTION, IF I COULD.
THESE CARS GOING ON A TRAIN THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA.
SO THEY ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE MAP EXACTLY AND YOU TALKED OF THE
SAFETY OF THOSE.
HOW MUCH IS THE RELATIVE RISK OF THE PROCESSING
FACILITY VERSUS THE CARS -- IT SOUNDS -- THEY SOUND
LIKE TANKS ON A TRAIN.
BUT WHAT IS -- WHAT IS THE RELATIVE RISK OF THE
PROCESSING OF IT TURNING THE BLEACH --
19:21:30 >> A GOOD QUESTION.
WHAT IS GOING ON AT A FACILITY LIKE CFI, A LOT MORE
MANAGEMENT HANDLING OF THE CHLORINE.
THAT IS WHY THERE ARE THESE MITIGATION PROCEDURES IN
PLACE.
THE AUTO SHUTOFF VALVES.
THE SYSTEM ON THE RAILCAR.
TRANSFER APPARATUS.
BUT ALL THAT -- ALL THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING
CHLORINE FROM ONE CONTAINER TO THE ANOTHER.
PUTTING IT IN THE PROCESS.
WHEN THE TANKS ARE GOING DOWN THE MAIN LINE RAIL, THE
FASTER THEY GO, THE BETTER THE CHANCE IS.
ALBEIT THESE DAYS MUCH LESS.
BUT THE BETTER THE CHANCE THAT THEY COULD HAVE AN
INCIDENT THAT CAUSE CATASTROPHIC RUPTURE OF THAT INNER
TANK.
THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING WHEN CSX IS PUSHING A
LINE OF CAR NOTICE CFI PROBABLY FIVE MILES PER HOUR AT
THE MOST ARE PRACTICALLY ZERO.
ZERO INCIDENTS OF CATASTROPHIC TANK FAILURES, EVEN THE
OLD TANK.
WHEN THEY ARE MOVING FIVE MILES PER HOUR AND HAVE A
WRECK.
IT HAS TO INVOLVE HIGH SPEED.
19:22:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
19:22:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
DOES SHE HAVE ANY MORE TIME ON THE CLOCK, MADAM CLERK.
19:22:44 >> ONE MINUTE AND FOUR SECONDS.
19:22:46 >> SAVE IT FOR REBUTTAL.
19:22:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO PROBLEM.
19:22:51 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
19:22:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GO TO THE PUBLIC.
19:23:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SHE REQUESTED TIME ON REBUTTAL.
I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID WITH REGARD TO REBUTTAL.
19:23:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE DID.
19:23:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WOULD BE -- OKAY.
WE STAND IN RECESS.
19:23:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER TO
MAKE SURE IN YOUR TRAVELS, YOU DON'T OVERHEAR ANY
DISCUSSION.
PLEASE, THANK YOU
19:36:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CITY COUNCIL BACK IN SESSION.
ROLL CALL.
19:36:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
19:36:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
19:36:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
19:36:39 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
19:36:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
19:36:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
19:36:46 >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
19:36:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS NOW.
19:36:51 >> I GET MORE THAN THREE MINUTES BECAUSE THEY GOT AN
EXTRA TEN.
LET'S NOT DEBATE ABOUT IT FOR TWO MINUTES.
GIVE ME TWO MINUTES.
COME ON, NOW, THAT IS ONLY FAIR.
19:37:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ALREADY SAID THAT EARLIER.
19:37:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WANT FIVE MINUTES.
19:37:07 >> OKAY.
GIVE TO CARROLL ANN TOO WHILE YOU ARE AT IT.
GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IN THIS PLAN HAVING PLAN IF
THERE IS A CHLORINE THING.
THEY SAID SOMETHING --
19:37:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE --
19:37:30 >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK --
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT.
ANYWAY, I WANTED TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THINK THAT
HEARD THIS EVENING THAT THERE WAS NO PLAN TO NOTIFY THE
TENANTS THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL
PLANT NEXT DOOR.
HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE THERE.
THERE WAS NO -- IN THE TENANT WAIVERS.
I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF TAMPA FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW HAS A
PLAN BECAUSE I SENT YOU GUYS AN E-MAIL TO THE QJ BOX
EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT TAMPA PD IN DECEMBER HAD NO PLAN
FOR CFI.
IS THERE A PLAN NOW?
WHAT IS IT?
WHEN WAS IT DEVELOPED?
THERE IS OVER A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL
SPACE WITHIN 200 YARDS OF THIS FACILITY.
OF THE FACILITY.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE 99,000 DOLLARS FOR INTERBAY
WILL GO.
WHAT WILL IT BE SPENT ON.
SO, LET ME GET BACK TO MY ORIGINAL SPEECH.
GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.
YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THAT I DO NOT LIKE PLYWOOD PALACES,
BUT 226 IS BETTER THAN 299.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE IN
THE MIX.
I ASKED FOR IT.
WE HAVE NONE CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR SOUTH OF GANDY.
WOODFIELD COULD BE GRACIOUS AND ADD SOME AFFORDABLE OR
WORKFORCE HOUSING TO THIS SITUATION.
WITH THAT BEING, NO ENVY, TURN DOWN AND SUED BY THE
DEVELOPER FOR INFRINGEMENT, OR APPROVE IT AND GET SUED
IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT WITH THE CHEMICAL PLANT
ABUTTING THIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T SEE THAT THE CITY HAS ANY EXPERTS PRESENTING
THAT SAY THAT IT IS SAFE TO BUILD THERE.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE SEEN THE REPRESENTATIVE -- THE
DEVELOPERS' EXPERT, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU
THE THINGS THAT YOU -- HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU CAN TRUST
THAT PERSON?
HOW DO YOU KNOW -- THEY WILL NOT STAND UP HERE AND TELL
YOU IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
SO IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE EXPERTS, WHO DO YOU TRUST?
WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE THE EPC WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO
GO.
THE PINK SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU.
THAT VERY FRONT SHEET, IS A REAL QUICK AND DIRTY ON
WHAT THE EPC PROVIDED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN MAY.
AND IT HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS ON THERE ABOUT THE
-- ABOUT ACCIDENTS THAT HAD HAPPENED OVER THE TIME THAT
CFI HAS BEEN THERE.
I ASKED CITY COUNCIL TODAY TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO
HAVE CITY STAFF REPORT BACK TO THEM ON THE STATUS OF
CFI EVERY 60 DAYS.
I ALSO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO
HAVE STAFF REPORT HOW WE CAN USE THE INCREASE IN TAX
REVENUE -- IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WHITE PAPER -- I WOULD
LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET LOOKING PAPER
IN YOUR PACKET.
JUST FROM TWO OF THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON
RATTLESNAKE POINT, JUST IN ONE YEAR ALONE, 2.6 MILLION
DOLLAR INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE.
WHY CAN WE NOT GET CFI GONE?
THERE IS A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.
PLEASE REACH OUT AND PULL THE CORD AND TURN THE LIGHT
ON AND LET'S GET THIS SUCKER OUT OF HERE.
CAROLE POST STAYED IN AUGUST, WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE
THE CONVERSATION AND THE CONCEPT OF -- BUT IT IS
UNLIKELY THE CITY WILL SUPPORT THIS.
AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE SPINNING THEIR WHEELS
SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT MAKING A DEAL TO GET US A
WATERFRONT PARK TO HELP PAY -- TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF
THE COSTS THAT THE DEVELOPER WHO CAME UP WITH THE PLAN
HAD.
THAT DEVELOPER HAS COME TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU AND
HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT IT, AND NONE OF YOU
SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
SO LET'S GET OFF OUR BUTTS AND START TALK OF GETTING
CFI IN OUR REAR VIEW MIRROR AS OPPOSED TO PLAYING GAMES
WITH IT.
THANK YOU.
19:42:15 >> HI, I AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT, AND I AM A LIFE-LONG
RESIDENT.
MANY AREAS WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO KEEP INDUSTRIAL
OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT A BIG MISTAKE THAT IS
HOW SOG RESIDENTS FEEL.
THEY ARE PORTRAYED AS UNREASONABLE ANTI-DEVELOPMENT
PEOPLE, BUT IN FACT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.
SOG ALWAYS HAD COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES.
THEY LIKE HAVING THEM AS NEIGHBORS AND WANT MORE OF
THEM.
THOSE BUSINESSES PROVIDE JOBS THAT ARE MINUTES AWAY.
GROWING UP, MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR ROAD HIS BIKE.
I USED TO RIDE MY BIKE TO RIDE AT THE BIG MAAS
BROTHERS.
YES, THE CITY NEEDS HOUSING, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE
HOUSING CRISIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD JOBS CRISIS.
RATTLESNAKE POINT WAS AN UNIQUE INDUSTRIAL SITE WITH
WATER AND RAILROAD ACCESS.
THE POINT PROVIDED GOOD PAYING JOBS FOR DECADES.
FOOLISH AND SHORTSIGHTED FOR THE CITY TO GIVE THAT
AWAY.
THE CITY REPLACED THOSE JOBS WITH THOUSANDS OF CARS ON
A FLOODING PENINSULA WITH INACCURATE INFRASTRUCTURE
THAT COULD TURN DEADLY IN AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION.
I HAVE SEEN THE DATA.
WHILE BUILDERS MAKE BIG PROFITS, THE BIGGEST PROFITS
ARE MADE BY LANDOWNERS WREN THEY GET A CHANGE IN LAND
USE AND ZONING.
THE RATTLESNAKE POINT LANDOWNERS GOT THE CITY TO MAKE
THOSE CHANGES AND NOW THEY ASK SKY HIGH PRICES FOR
THEIR LAND.
THE COMP PLAN HAS NEVER ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
ABUTTING CFI.
THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO SPECULATE ON A LAND DEAL THAT
VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN.
AT EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUILDERS SAY YOU MUST
APPROVE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH THE COMP
PLAN.
NOW THEY SAY YOU MUST APPROVE SOMETHING EVEN THOUGH IT
VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN.
SO IS THE COMP PLAN COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS?
I DID NOT HEAR STAFF SAY THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE
REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN.
HOMELAND SECURITY CITED RAILCARS AS TARGETS FOR
TERRORISTS.
CSI IS LISTED AS A TOP TARGET IN TWO INDEPENDENT
REPORTS.
RAILCARS WITH TONS OF CHLORINE GAS GO THROUGH SOUTH
TAMPA EVERY DAY.
THE RAILROAD ARE TERRIFIED OF LAWSUIT AND COULD STOP
CHLORINE TRANSPORTATION IF THEY COULD.
BUT DISASTERS DON'T MAKE APPOINTMENTS.
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001.
WASN'T CIRCLED IN RED.
ON THE NATION'S CALENDAR.
IS THERE ANY STAFF MEMBER WHO IS SPECIFICALLY QUALIFIED
TO SAY THESE PLANS WILL KEEP RESIDENTS SAFE?
THE SALE OF CFI COULD HAVE BEEN A DONE DEAL, BUT THE
CITY HAS BEEN UNWILLING TO BUY THE TAXPAYERS A SIX-ACRE
WATERFRONT PARK.
I NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS.
WE ARE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO BUY CFI.
THAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE.
ALTHOUGH THE CURRENT MAYOR AND THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL
DID NOT MAKE THIS MESS, YOU ARE THE ONES WHO MUST CLEAN
IT UP.
PLEASE DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT
THAT ALREADY THE CITY'S FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY ASAP,
AND TAKE SOME OF THE NEW TAX MONEY FROM ALL THESE
DEVELOPMENTS AND BUY A SIX-ACRE WATERFRONT PARK FOR
TAMPA'S CITIZENS.
THANK YOU.
19:45:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
19:46:05 >>CLERK:
YES, JEAN STROHMEYER IS ON LINE.
19:46:08 >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE THE VIRTUAL.
19:46:10 >> WE WILL TAKE YOU.
19:46:12 >> THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
19:46:17 >> GOOD EVENING, JESSICA IZERMAN, AN ATTORNEY, WE
REPRESENT MAA WHICH IS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH
OF THE PROPERTY WHO HAD A MIXED USE PROJECT APPROVED
LATE LAST YEAR.
WE DO NOT REPRESENT CFI.
WE REPRESENT ANOTHER PROJECT.
IN RATTLESNAKE POINT.
SORRY, I JUST CLIMBED THREE FLIGHTS OF STAIRS.
OKAY.
WE ARE STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
I HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THE
RISK OF THE CHLORINE TRAINS.
AND I DO -- I THINK YOU -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR
POINTING OUT THAT THE TRAINS DO GO THROUGH OTHER HIGHLY
POPULATED AREAS INCLUDING DOWNTOWN AND COUNTLESS
STREETS AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE HAS BEEN NO REZONING
REQUESTS DENIED FOR POSSIBLE CHLORINE EXPOSURE DUE TO
PROXIMITY OF THOSE RAILCARS.
OKAY.
THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF
RATTLESNAKE POINT OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
WHICH CONTEMPLATES FROM INDUSTRIAL TO REFERRING AND
COMMERCIAL.
IT HAS EXISTED SINCE THE 190S WITH GANDY POLICIES WERE
ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
THE WATERFRONT AMENITIES PROPOSED BY THE PROJECT A
WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SOUTH OF
GANDY COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
FURTHER, THE PUBLIC BOARDWALK ALONG THE WATER IS AN
IMPORTANT STEP OF ENHANCING CONNECTIVITY AND MIXING
RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS SEVERAL POLICIES
OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGE THAT.
AND SO WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS
PROPOSED FLUEDRA ELEMENT AND SUPPORT OF OPTION 1 AND
OPTION 2.
THANK YOU.
19:48:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
NOW WE HAVE VIRTUAL.
19:48:09 >>CLERK:
WE HAD THREE -- TWO AND -- ONE DID NOT SHOW
UP.
ONE AND IN PERSON AND JEAN STROHMEYER ONLINE.
19:48:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
19:48:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS SHE NOT THERE?
ARE YOU THERE, JEAN?
19:48:43 >> HELLO?
HELLO?
CAN YOU HEAR ME.
19:48:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN YOU HEAR US.
19:48:49 >> YAY.
19:48:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
19:48:53 >> SHARING MY WEB CAM.
THERE IS THE BUTTON.
GOOD EVENING, --
19:49:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SWEAR NEW, FIRST, JEAN.
[SWEARING IN]
19:49:05 >> SO HELP ME GOD.
I HAVE A BIBLE HERE THAT WILL TELL YOU SO.
ANYWAY, MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, AND I AM REALLY
SHY.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT BY NOW.
I AM VERY SHY ABOUT MY BELIEFS AND OPINIONS.
SO I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION THAT.
OKAY.
I AM JUST LISTENING TO THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW HE, THERE IS JUST SO MUCH TO UN RAVEL
HERE.
THEY WANT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THE CFI -- WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DO
ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE NEED
TO LISTEN TO WHAT GOES ON AND WHAT WE KNOW THAT THEY
DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT HAS BEEN GOING
ON WITH THE CITY WITH -- AS -- Y'ALL HAVE SEEN MY -- MY
E-MAILS.
SO I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED.
JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
SO THEY ARE TALKING OF EVACUATIONS.
OKAY, JUST GOING BACK TO THE PROJECT.
THE EVACUATIONS.
THE EVACUATIONS THEY ARE REFERRING TO ONLY.
THE EVACUATIONS FOR THOSE UNITS ONLY WILL NOT BE
EVACUATED BY THOSE UNITS.
WE ARE TALKING OF THE EVACUATION BY EVERYBODY DOWN PORT
TAMPA WHO CAN'T GET THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE OVERBUILDING
ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE PENINSULA WITHIN THE
PENINSULA.
THOSE ARE THE EVACUATIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE DYING IN THEIR CAR.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE HELICOPTER E VA CS
OUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE WILL DO.
BUT MOST PEOPLE DOWN HERE WHO LIVE HERE AND HAVE BUILT
THIS CITY DOWN HERE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT.
SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENTAL
RELEASE OF TOXICS FROM THE CHEMICALS.
THE GUY -- THE TOXICOLOGIST AND THEY ARE SAYING THE
SLIGHT CHANCES.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCE AS SOON AS THE CHANCES ARE REALLY
SLIM.
YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SLIM CHANNELS.
A REALLY, REALLY SLIM CHANCE LAST JANUARY WHEN OUR
FARMER IN SOUTH TAMPA GOT MAULED AND TRAMPLED BY HIS
OWN BULL.
NOW THAT JUST DIDN'T -- DOESN'T HAPPEN.
A SLIGHT CHANCE WHEN MY BROTHER WAS RIDING ON THE
PINELLAS TRAIL WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND ON A TANDEM BIKE AND
SOME GUY HIT ANOTHER CAR CAUSING A ANOTHER CAR TO ROLL
OVER AND FLIP AND KILL THEM BOTH ON THE SCENE.
THAT IS JUST -- THAT IS, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T WRITE THAT
CIRCLE ON THE CALENDAR.
HOW ABOUT THE INCIDENT WHERE THE ONE GUY WITH --
SPEEDING 100 MILES PER HOUR DOWN BAYSHORE AND KILLED A
MOTHER AND A BABY.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT MOTHER AND BABY AT THAT EXACT
TIME.
ACCIDENT AND THESE DO NOT HAPPEN BY APPOINTMENT.
THEY HAPPEN WHEN ALL THINGS JUST COME TOGETHER.
NOW GOD HAS HIS WAYS.
AND GOD WILL TAKE US WHEN IT IS -- WHEN HE IS GOOD AND
READY FOR US AND WE HOPE OUR SOULS ARE READY FOR THAT.
JUST SAYING.
SO WITH THIS WHOLE SITUATION, I JUST FEEL THESE PEOPLE
HAVE BEEN PUSHING AND PUSHING AND WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT
HAS HAPPENED.
WE SAW WITH DINGFELDER.
WE SAW IT WITH ALL THE OTHER ONES YOU SAID NO TO, THEY
JUST SUE.
SUE, SUE, SUE.
BUT THERE HAS BE TOO POINT WHERE SOMEBODY PUTS THEIR
BIG BOY PANTS ON AND SAY NO.
JUST DEAL WITH IT.
WE HAVE WHAT IS RIGHT.
AND WHAT IS WRONG.
THERE IS ONLY ONE RIGHT.
ONLY ONE RIGHT.
AND I HOPE YOU START WRITING THE WRONGS THAT ARE GOING
ON IN THIS CORRUPT CITY THAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING AND
OTHER PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY COMING TO ME AND WONDERING
WHY THIS CITY IS CORRUPT.
I TRY SAY -- I TRY TO SAYS IT NOT Y'ALL, BUT Y'ALL CAN
FIX IT.
ANYWAY, HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON, EVENING, NIGHT, BEEN
HERE ALL DAY.
PEACE OUT.
19:52:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE, MADAM CLERK?
19:53:03 >>CLERK:
THAT WAS IT.
19:53:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT.
19:53:32 >> THANK YOU, AGAIN.
I WANT TO JUST POINT OUT A FEW -- A FEW THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, QUICK RESPONSE.
CONDITION 18 DOES REQUIRE THAT WE PROVIDE NOTICE TO
TENANTS AND PROSPECTIVE TENANTS.
WE ADDED THAT AT THE REQUEST OF STEPHANIE THAT WE
NOTIFY WHERE THEY ARE COMING TO POTENTIALLY LIVE.
THE TAMPA BAY LOCAL PLANNING COMMITTEE THROUGH THE
TAMPA BAY REGIONAL COMMISSION HAS A HAZARDOUS EMERGENCY
RESPONSE PLAN THAT WORKS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT
COUNTIES IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AND HAS SPECIFIC
PROVISIONS FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT RELATE TO WHERE
ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR MITIGATING AND DEALING WITH
HAZARDOUS ISSUES.
AND CFI IS ONE OF THE FACILITIES WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY THAT -- THAT THE COUNTY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A
PLAN FOR.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS
ACTUALLY DOING, BUT THERE IS -- THROUGH THE TAMPA BAY
LOCAL PLANNING COMMITTEE, THROUGH THE TAMPA BAY
REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, THAT IS WHERE THAT LOCAL
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COMES FROM.
MMA AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED HERE ARE
SIMILARLY SITUATED.
THEY DO NOT ABUT.
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE 8.11.5 WHICH
TALKS OF THE FACT THAT WE ABUT.
IT ALSO TALKS OF BEING UNDULY AT RISK.
IT DOESN'T SAY NO RISK.
OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH A SITUATION OF NO
RISK.
WE ARE DEALING WITH A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS
POTENTIALLY SOME RISK.
BUT LIKE ANY HIGH-RISK, LOW PROBABILITY SITUATION, WE
ARE MITT GAZING TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE NOT UNDULY AT
RISK.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS REACH OUT TO AN EXPERT, A
SCIENTIST, A DOCTOR, WHO SPECIALIZES IN THIS TO PROVIDE
US WITH INFORMATION AND TO BE GET US TO A POINT WHERE
WE CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING MITIGATION
THAT DOES NOT PUT OUR RESIDENTS OR THE -- PUBLIC NEARBY
UNDULY AT RISK SO WE ARE MEETING THE CRITERIA OF THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WITH THESE ACCEPTED PRACTICES.
WITH REGARD TO THE RAILCARS, WE CONFIRMED THAT THE RAIL
LINE IT SELF IS 20 TO 30 FEET FROM THE PAVEMENT.
AND THE RAILCARS ONLY GO THREE NIGHTS A WEEK, GENERALLY
BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 5 A.M., ABOUT FIVE TO TEN MILES
PER HOUR ALONG TYSON.
AND EVEN, AGAIN, LOWERING THAT RISK OF ANY SORT OF
EVENT HAPPENING ON TYSON, NOT EVEN FOR JUST OUR
PROPERTY FOR ANY PROPERTY THAT IS ALONG THE ROAD.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS IF I COULD GET DR. NONY BACK
ON THE LINE.
HE WANTS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME
UP.
19:56:32 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME AGAIN?
19:56:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN HEAR YOU.
19:56:34 >> GREAT.
SO I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS
AND I WANT TO SAY THINK THAT APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS
FROM THE PUBLIC.
PART OF MY JOB IS TO HELP PEOPLE UNDER STAND RISK.
AND I AM AN EXPERT IN IT, BUT NOT EVERYBODY IS.
AND I REALLY HOPE WE CAN COME -- PROVIDE SOME
INFORMATION THAT CAN GIVE PEOPLE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF
WHAT THESE ISSUES ARE HERE.
I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- ONE OF THE
COUNCILMEMBERS HAD MENTIONED WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE TANK
CARS IN A HURRICANE.
MY COMPANY RESPONDED TO NEW ORLEANS AFTER HURRICANE
KATRINA.
AND THE FIRST PLACE WE RESPONDED TO WAS A CSX RAIL YARD
IN NEW ORLEANS.
AND WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE GOT THERE WAS A LOT OF
FLOODING.
THERE WAS SOME DAMAGE TO THE RAIL OF SOME OF THE
RAILCARS INVOLVED, BUT WHAT WE FOUND WAS NO LEAK
CHEMICALS TO ANY SIGNIFICANT EXTENT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY
THESE RAILCARS ARE BUILT.
AND ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS MENTIONED, WHAT HAPPENS
IF A TANK CAR ROLLS OVER?
THE NEW 2009 REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT THE CHLORINE TANK
CARS IN PARTICULAR AND OTHER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS
CARRIED IN SIMILAR TYPE OF TANK CAR WILL HAVE A MORE
ROBUST VALVE PROTECTION OWL OF THE CAR AND THE ONLY
PLACE THAT THEY GO IN AND OUT OF THE VALVES IN THE TOP.
TINS 2009 -- HURRICANE KATRINA WAS 2005.
SINCE 2009, WE HAVE SEEN MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT SAFETY
WITH THESE TANK CARS.
IF THEY DO ROLL OVER WHICH IN THE BARTO, GEORGIA
DERAILMENT I RESPONDED TO, 13 TANK CARS PILED UP LIKE
YOU COULD IMAGINE LIKE A KID'S TRAIN SET.
CARS WERE PILED UP ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
WE DIDN'T LOSE A SINGLE OUNCE OF CHLORINE AND ROLLED ON
THE SIDE.
SOME OF THEM STANDING ON END.
THEY ARE JUST VERY, VERY ROBUST CARS.
19:58:42 >> THAT WAS A HIGH-SPEED DERAILMENT.
NOT A LOW-SPEED AT A FACILITY KIND OF THING, CORRECT?
19:58:48 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
ABLE 50-MILE TRACT.
THAT GETS TO ANOTHER POINT THINK THAT WANT TO MAKE.
CSX AND THE OTHER CLASS 1 RAILROADS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW
TO TRANSPORT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND THEY DO IT ACROSS
THE COUNTRY AND DO IT VERY SAFELY.
WHEN THINGS GO WRONG.
LARGE QUANTITIES OF CHEMICALS IT CAN BE A LARGE
INCIDENT.
AND SO -- I THINK THE POINT BEING THERE IS NOT ANY WAY
FOR A HIGH-SPEED ACCIDENT TO HAPPEN IN THE CFI
FACILITY.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE A CATASTROPHIC RELEASE OF
AN ENTIRE TANK CAR OF CHLORINE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A
HIGH-SPEED INCIDENT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY ON THE
COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT JUST --
SOMETHING THAT PRACTICALLY CANNOT HAPPEN AT C F I.
THE ISSUE THAT IS MORE LIKELY -- ALTHOUGH STILL VERY
RARE -- FOR THERE TO BE A SMALL RELEASE FROM A VALVE OR
HOSE THAT BREAKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE PROCEDURES THAT CFI HAS IN
PLACE TO PREVENT THOSE FROM BEING SIGNIFICANT RELEASES
THAT COULD GET OUTSIDE OF THEIR FACILITY.
THIS ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO THE COUNTY EPC WHO DID THEIR
INSPECTION OF THE CFI FACILITY IN 2007.
THEY WROTE A REPORT.
THEY FOUND THAT THEIR PROCEDURES THEY PUT IN PLACE TO
MITIGATE CHLORINE RELEASES WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE
ORDER THAT HAD BEEN PUT FORTH FOR THEM TO COMPLY WITH,
AND THAT THEIR ENGINEERS EVEN SAID WHAT WE HAVE DONE AT
CFI WILL PREVENT OR STOP FROM EVEN HAPPENING IN THE
FIRST PLACE SIGNIFICANT RELEASES OF CHLORINE FROM OUR
FACILITY.
THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS SINCE 2003.
20:00:42 >> JUST PUTTING DOWN -- THAT IS THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS
RESPONSE PLAN.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE -- WE FEEL WE HAVE MET OUR
BURDEN.
WE FEEL WE ADDRESSED EVERY POINT.
WE RESPONDED TO EVERY ISSUE.
WE HAVE MET EVERY REQUIREMENT.
WE -- WE -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY STAFF
HAVE CONFIRMED THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT.
WE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, EVERY -- I THINK EVERY CONCERN
AND HAVE SUPPORT FROM MR. STEADY AS WELL.
SO WE WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
20:01:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT WAS JUST ON THE OVERHEAD?
20:01:26 >> THE TAMPA BAY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS RESPONSE PLAN THAT
IS DONE BY THE LOCAL EMERGENCY PLANNING COMMITTEE THAT
EVERY PART OF FLORIDA HAS.
AND EVERY -- IT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE AREA AND
THEN FOR EACH COUNTY, IT PROVIDES INFORMATION -- A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HAZARDOUS FACILITIES IN THE AREA
AND EVERY SINGLE LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT -- AND AGENCY
WITHIN THAT GOVERNMENT INCLUDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT,
THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONER, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE SCHOOL
BOARD AND WHAT ROLE THEY ALL PLAY IN EVERY SINGLE PART
OF THE -- DEALING WITH HAZARDOUS AND EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT OF DANGEROUS FACILITIES.
AND CSI IS ONE OF THE FACILITIES THAT IS PART OF THAT
WHOLE PROCESS PROS WHEN MISS POYNOR SAYS WHAT ROLE DOES
TAMPA FIRE PLAY, THIS IS WHERE THAT WHOLE OVERSIGHT
COMES FROM AND COMES FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WHICH HAS
ITS OWN PROCESS AND DIVIDED UP AND EACH PART OF THE
CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE THEIR OWN ROLE TO PLAY SO
THERE IS -- NOT ONLY IS CSI HAVING ITS OWN FULL
NATIONAL STATE REGULATORY PROCESS FOR SAFETY, BUT THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS ITS OWN PROCESSES FOR MAKING SURE
IT IS KEEPING ITS CITIZENS SAFE AND IN ADDITION AS PART
OF THIS PROCESS TONIGHT, WOODFIELD IS IMPLEMENTING ITS
OWN PROS THEY CEASE FOR SECURITY FOR ITS OWN RESIDENTS
WHERE NO OTHER PROJECT IN THE CITY REALLY DOING.
THE ONES DOWN THE STREET AREN'T DOING IT.
AND ALONG THE RAIL LINE.
ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
20:03:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
OUR -- THE INSTRUCTIONS WE GOT FROM
LEGAL SAY WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS.
WE CAN -- YOU ALL WANT TO COME BACK.
I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION.
SORRY.
SORRY TO BRING YOU BACK AGAIN.
BUT OUR INSTRUCTIONS SAY THAT WE CAN ACCEPT THE
MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION, REJECT IT, OR WE CAN
SUGGEST A MODIFICATION.
AND SO JUST TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE BEFORE WE
CLOSE -- LEGAL CUT ME OFF IF YOU WANT, BUT IT SEEMS
LIKE YOU ARE PRETTY -- YOU ARE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT
THIS -- THIS CHLORINE PLANT WILL BE SHUT DOWN.
ANY WAY TO CONSIDER MAKE A CONDITION ON BOTH OPTIONS
THAT IT WILL BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED BEFORE IT GOES
FORWARD SO THAT THE -- SO THAT -- EVERYTHING WILL BE
APPROVED, BUT ON THE CONDITION -- ON THE ADDITIONAL
CONDITION THAT THE PLANT BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED?
20:04:17 >> I AM HESITANT TO DO THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WHILE WE ARE HOPEFUL, THE PROCESS
FOR THAT SALE IS HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL.
AND WE ARE NOT GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SHALL ABLE
TO CONFIRM WITH SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS, NUMBER
ONE, FOR SURE GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE ARE HOPEFUL.
OR IT IS GOING TO IMMEDIATELY, WHICH WE ARE HOPEFUL,
AND WE DON'T KNOW.
IT COULD HAPPEN IN A YEAR.
IT COULD HAPPEN IN A MONTH OR A WEEK.
WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE -- AS -- YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS, IT
IS VERY DIFFICULT TO -- FOR THEM TO KINDS OF DETERMINE
TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH SUCH A UNKNOWN OUT THERE.
AND JUST TO PUT OUR WHOLE BUSINESS IN THIS -- IN THE
HANDS OF THESE THIRD PARTIES AREN'T TELLING US WHAT IS
HAPPENING EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SORT OF HOPEFUL, IT'S --
IT'S JUST -- I THINK TOO RISKY TO DO THAT.
THAT IS WHY WE -- WE EXPRESSLY PUT FORWARD THESE
OPTIONS OF PUTTING TOGETHER ALL THIS MITIGATION ON THE
ONE HAND.
WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO -- AND HOPEFUL THAT THEY DO
PROCEED TO SELL, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND ALL
THIS EXTRA MONEY AND ALL THIS EXTRA WORK AND EFFORT.
AND HONESTLY, WE ARE HAVING TO RESOLVE WITH THE
PROPERTY TO THE WEST TO GET THAT SECONDARY ACCESS.
IT'S A HUGE PAIN TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO.
BUT IT IS JUST TOO RISKY FOR US.
20:06:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I CAN ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION AND
LEGAL, CUT ME OFF IF I AM NOT INTERPRETING THIS RIGHT.
SOMETHING -- IF WE MADE A CONDITION, SOMETHING THAT A
CLIENT WOULD WANT THAT WE COULD -- THAT WE COULD OFFER
TO PUT SOMETHING IN BUT PUT THAT CONDITION IN THAT WILL
TAKE SOMETHING OUT?
20:06:19 >> I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND.
20:06:20 >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ARE GOING THIS IS
TRY TO NEGOTIATE TERMS.
20:06:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW DO WE -- WHAT DOES "MODIFY" MEAN?
HOW DO WE NEGOTIATE A MODIFICATION, UNILATERALLY.
20:06:38 >>CATE WELLS:
AN INTERESTING OPTION.
AN OPTION THAT IS IN THE FLUEDRA ACT.
AND NOT ONE THAT I HAVE SEEN THIS COUNCIL PURSUE.
MOST OF THE -- SINCE I RETURNED TO THE CITY, WHEN WE
HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT SETTLEMENT PROCESS, THE PARTIES
HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL EVERY TIME IN PRESENTING A
SETTLEMENT TO THIS CITY COUNCIL THAT HAS BEEN FOUND
ACCEPTABLE.
AND I THINK IT IS BECAUSE THE SETTLEMENTS REALLY FOCUS
ON THE BASIS FOR THE ORIGINAL DENIALS.
A CONDITION HERE -- I THINK IF BASED ON THE TESTIMONY
YOU HEARD FROM THEIR EXPERT, IF YOU FELT ADDITIONAL
MITIGATION WAS REQUIRED WITH REGARD TO ALTERNATIVE SITE
PLAN NUMBER 1, WHERE CHEMICAL FORMULATORS REMAIN IN
PLAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE TYPE OF MODIFICATION
THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO
SEE IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE.
BUT TO SUGGEST THAT IF YOU DO THIS, WE DO THAT.
THAT TYPE OF NEGOTIATION, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT
THE STATUTE CONTEMPLATED IN THE WAY OF MODIFICATION.
20:07:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
20:07:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
20:07:56 >> I AM SORRY.
THIS MAY BE PRESUMPTUOUS, BUT I WAS TOLD THIS IS THE
RIGHT TIME.
BECAUSE OF THE -- LIKE I EXPLAINED, THE ISSUE THAT WE
HAVE WITH THE MULTIPLE PARTIES IS WE ARE DEALING WITH
RESOLVING ALL THESE THINGS AND ENSURING WE CAN PROVIDE
THE ACCESS AND THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD ASK JUST
IF YOU ARE SO GOOD AS TO GRANT THIS APPROVAL TONIGHT,
WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR EXTRA TIME UNTIL SECOND READING
SO WE CAN WORK ON ENSURING THAT EVERYTHING IS TIED UP
AND EVERYTHING RESOLVED SO WE CAN CONTINUE FORWARD AND
HAVE AN EXTENDED SECOND READING TIME.
SO, THANK YOU.
20:08:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
20:08:39 >> SO MOVED.
20:08:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT EXTRA TIME
MEANS?
20:08:45 >> LIKE TO THE -- TO THE FOLLOWING --
20:08:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I NEVER HEARD OF THAT --
20:08:50 >> JUST TO THE FOLLOWING SECOND READING, MAY 5 INSTEAD
OF ENDS OF APRIL.
JUST AN FEDERAL EXTRA WEEK OR TWO.
THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING.
20:08:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT TWO YEARS
FROM NOW?
20:08:59 >> NO.
WE COULD WAIT FOR CFI TO CLOSE, I THINK, BUT, NO.
20:09:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
20:09:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
20:09:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR.
MOVE TO CLOSE.
ALL IN FAVOR.
MOTION GRANTED.
MR. MANISCALCO.
20:09:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
HOPEFULLY I DO THAT RIGHT BECAUSE I HEARD AND SAW
ALTERNATIVES ONE AND TWO.
CAN THEY BE INCLUDED TOGETHER OR I CHOOSE ONE OR THE
OTHER.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S
RECOMMENDATION AFTER HEARING ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE AND
TESTIMONY OVER THE LAST TWO HOURS.
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S
RECOMMENDATION, PROCEED TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATION
WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE ALTERNATIVES ONE AND TWO.
THEN THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST MOTION.
20:10:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THERE A SECOND.
20:10:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL SECOND IT.
WE HAVE ONE AND TWO.
THE FIRST ONE IS TO ACCEPT THE MAGISTRATE'S
RECOMMENDATION AND THE REPORT, AM I CORRECT?
20:10:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
20:10:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT IS THE ONE ON THE FLOOR NOW.
20:10:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED.
ROLL CALL.
20:10:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
20:10:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. VIERA?
20:10:27 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
I AM SORRY -- YES, EXCUSE ME.
20:10:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
20:10:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
20:10:37 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
20:10:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME SAY THIS.
SOMETIMES OFF DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
AND WHAT I SEE HERE, WE HAVE A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES, THIS IS GOING
TO HAPPEN.
THE VOTES ALREADY THERE.
SO MY VOTE DOESN'T MATTER AT THIS POINT, BUT I WILL LET
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE
SITUATIONS, IT IS UNFORTUNATE TO OUR CITIZENS
SOMETIMES.
BUT I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES FOR THE PROJECT
BECAUSE I JUST KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT IS
GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES.
20:11:30 >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND CARLSON VOTING
NO.
20:11:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE SECOND PART.
20:11:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND PART.
20:11:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE SECOND PART TO THIS IS THE
MOTION TO IMPLEMENT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE
RECOMMENDATION.
THIS WILL BE TO READ THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE, IS THAT
CORRECT?
OKAY.
SO I -- I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE ADOPTED PURSUANT TO
SECTION 70.51, FLORIDA STATUTES ACCEPTING A SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE'S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION AND REZONING
PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 501 W. TYSON AVENUE
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION IH, INDUSTRIAL HEAVY, TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL SALES,
SPECIALTY GOODS, CONVENIENCE GOODS, SHOPPER'S GOODS,
MARINA PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MAY I SAY THAT THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH LAND USE
POLICY 7.1.5.
AND ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN OF BURDEN THROUGH DESIGN AND
PRACTICES THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE PROPOSED USE WILL
NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK FOR POTENTIAL HAZARDS ASSOCIATED
WITH THE ABUTTING PROPERTY.
WE HEARD FROM THE DOCTOR, AS A TOXICOLOGIST AND THE
EVIDENCE THAT HE AND TESTIMONY HE PROVIDED.
THE DENSITY PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXCEED
THE DENSITY OF THE LAND USE CATEGORY.
WE HEARD A REDUCTION FROM WHAT WE HEARD THE LAST TIME
REDUCTION IN UNITS AND COMPATIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT
PATTERN APPROVED FOR OTHER PARCELS ON RATTLESNAKE
POINT.
AND COMPLIANCE WITH 27-136, PURPOSE OF THE SITE PLAN
CONTROLLED DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN
PROMOTES OR ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT THAT IS APPROPRIATE
AND LOCATION, CHARACTER AND COMPATIBILITY.
WE HAVE SEEN THAT WITH THE SURROUNDING PARCELS.
PROPOSED USE PROMOTES THE EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE USE
OF LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS ALSO INCLUDES ALL WAIVERS IN COMPLIANCE IN SECTION
27-1394.
AND I WILL THROW IN THERE, THE EXTRA TIME FOR SECOND
READING THAT WAS REQUESTED IN ORDER TO WORK OUT ANY
OTHER KINKS AND TIE UP LOOSE ENDS FOR MAY 5 INSTEAD OF
THE TRADITIONAL NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE HAVE.
THAT IS MY MOTION.
20:14:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE REVISION SHEET BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING.
20:14:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND THE REVISION SHEET.
20:14:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAY I ASK UNDER --
[INAUDIBLE]
20:14:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST FOR CLARITY, THE DESIGN OF
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS UNIQUE AND THEREFORE IN
NEED OF WAIVERS.
WE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY AND THE -- THE MEDIATION IN
BETWEEN TO GET TO THAT POINT.
THE REQUESTED WAIVER WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE
OR INJURY THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS WHOSE PROPERTY WILL BE
AFFECTED WHICH THE WAIVER.
WE HEARD ALL THE EVIDENCE THERE.
AGAIN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH CHEMICAL
FORMULATORS.
IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT MONTH.
IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT YEAR.
WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE AS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED
THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
PERHAPS THIS ACTS AS A CATALYST FOR, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT
ON THAT.
AND I THINK I HAVE COVERED EVERYTHING.
20:15:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
20:15:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
DISCUSSION.
20:15:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN, THE LAST TIME
WE HEARD THIS CASE, MY DECISION WAS BASED ON THE ENTRANCE AND
EXIT WITH THE RAIL THERE.
NOW, MR. SHELBY, IF I OVERSTEP MY BOUNDS, PLEASE TELL
ME.
YEARS AGO, THIS WAS INDUSTRIAL.
YOU HAD THE MARINA UP THERE, UNDERWRITERS LABORATORY
AND OTHER INDUSTRIAL PLACES.
BUT NONE OF THEM HAD THE EFFECT THAT THIS CHLORINE
PLANT HAD.
I AM NOT AGAINST DEVELOPING RATTLESNAKE POINT.
BUT MY CONCERN STILL IS THAT CHLORINE PLANT.
LIFE WOULD BE SO MUCH EASIER IF IT WASN'T THERE.
SO I WANT TO YOU UNDERSTAND I AM NOT AGAINST THE
DEVELOPMENT.
MY CONCERNS ARE THE EFFECT THAT THAT PLANT MAY BE --
MAYBE HAVE ON THE RESIDENTS AROUND IT.
AND, THEREFORE, THAT IS THE BASIS OF MY VOTE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
20:16:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY?
20:16:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST -- JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, AND
I HAVE REVIEWED ROBERT RULES ON THIS.
DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SHOULD TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE
VOTE.
AND IF YOU CAN, COUNCIL, I WOULD APPRECIATE FOR FUTURE
IF YOU JUST NOT MAKE COMMENTS DURING THE VOTE AND STOP
THE PROCESS DURING THE VOTE.
SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY AND TAKE THE VOTE IN SEQUENCE
PLEASE.
20:16:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
VERY GOOD, SIR.
20:16:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
20:16:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TAKE THE VOTE.
20:16:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
20:16:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
20:16:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
20:17:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
20:17:02 >>LUIS VIERA:
SORRY, YES.
SORRY.
20:17:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
20:17:07 >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND CARLSON VOTE
NOTHING.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION MAY 5, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
20:17:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 6.
20:17:26 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
REZ 21-115.
FOR PROPOSED REZONING AT 1502 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE --
20:17:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF CCTV IS INVOLVED.
BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
TRY IT AGAIN.
20:17:47 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
20:17:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JUST BARELY.
20:17:52 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ZAIN HUSSEIN,
LANDS DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, CASE REZ-21-115.
PROPOSED REZONING AT 1502 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE.
1314, 1312, 1310, 1308, 1306, 1304, 1302 EAST KAY
STREET AS WELL AS 801, 803, 805, 807, 809, 811 E 3RD
AVE.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16 AND YC-5 TO PD RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
OFFICE.
I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
20:18:39 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
GOOD EVENING.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WILL SHARE SCREEN WHENEVER I HAVE PERMISSION.
AS ZAIN STATED BEFORE, REZ 21-115.
WE ARE IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT IN THE
CENTRAL PARK URBAN VILLAGE.
SO WE ARE LOCATED ON NEBRASKA AVENUE.
I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE, SO I WILL
BE BRIEF IN THE AERIAL.
EVERYBODY HAS A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THIS
IS AND THE ENCORE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH AND TAMPA
PARK APARTMENTS TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS URBAN MIXED USE-60.
TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, REGIONAL MIXED USE-100.
TO THE EAST IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
THE -- THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WANT MIXED USE
CORRIDOR.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS BEFORE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY.
AND I JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT BETWEEN
THE LAST SITE PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN THAT THE PLANNING
COMMISSION REVIEWED, THE REPORTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF
YOU TODAY, WE AGREED -- WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE
CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE, PRIMARILY ADDING
BUILDING ENTRANCES THAT ARE ORIENTED TOWARD.
AND THEY CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK ALONG NORTH NEBRASKA
AVENUE.
WE FOUND IN WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE CENTER
CORRIDORS AND POLICIES AND THAT THE PEDESTRIAN CAN
ACCESS TRANSIT AND NAVIGATE THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
WE ALSO FIND THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT -- THAT THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES NEW HOUSING ON PARCELS TO
ENSURE THERE IS AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING TO MEET
TAMPA'S PRESENT GROWING POPULATION AND THIS WILL HELP
HOUSING CHOICES.
RESIDENTIAL INFILL PATTERN CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY
FORM STRATEGY AND PLANNING COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE AND
FIND ARE THE HE ADVISED SITE PLAN WITH THE PEDESTRIAN
ENTRANCES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED CONSISTENT WITH
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU.
20:20:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING FOR MISS MALONE?
ALL RIGHT, BACK TO YOU, ZAIN, LIFT YOUR MICROPHONE TO
YOUR MOUTH.
20:20:57 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
CAN YOU HEAR ME PRETTY WELL?
GUDES LITTLE BIT BETTER.
20:21:01 >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LANDS DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
21-115.
THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE IS MARK BENTLEY PROP
POSED REZONE FROM YC-5 AND RM-16 TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND
BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS REQUESTING EIGHT
WAIVERS, MOSTLY TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING
AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
FIRST WAIVER TO REQUEST TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC
ACCESS TO A LOCAL STREET NORTH MITCHELL AVENUE AND EAST
KAY STREET.
THE SECOND WAIVER TO REQUEST TO ALLOW A REDUCTION IN
WIDTH FROM 24 FEET TO 22 FEET.
THIRD WAIVER, REQUEST NORTH NEBRASKA SPECIAL STREET
SETBACK OF 54 FEET TO 42 FEET FOR ANY BUILDING OR
STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.
SPECIAL SETBACK LINE IS MEASURED FROM THE CENTER LINE
OF THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THE FOURTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED
PARKING FROM 114 SPACES TO 96 SPACES.
THIS IS A 16% REDUCTION.
FIFTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED TO REQUEST TO REDUCE THE
REQUIRED 50% RETENTION FOR NONWOODED LOT OVER ONE ACRE
TO 19% RETENTION.
SIXTH WAIVER BEING PROPOSED IS TO REQUEST TO REMOVE ONE
NONHAZARDOUS GRAND LAUREL OAK OF 33 INCHES DEVIATION
AND RATED C 6.
SEVENTH WAIVER, TO REQUEST TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED 350
SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE PER UNIT TO 313 SQUARE FEET.
THE REDUCTION OF GREEN SPACE IS SUBJECT TO THE
LANDSCAPE IN LIEU FEES THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AT THE
TIME OF PERMITTING.
EIGHTH WAIVER, TO REQUEST THE 8-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER
TO ZERO FEET ALONG 3RD AVENUE.
I WILL COME TO THE AERIAL OF THE PARCEL YOU SEE
OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
NOW TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST, YOU WILL HAVE PD
ZONING.
AND THESE ARE OFFICE USES.
NOT NORTH, THE GTE BUILDING, AND TO THE WEST YOU WILL
HAVE THE FEEDING MINISTRIES BUILDING.
IF YOU COME HERE TO THE EAST, YOU WILL SEE A -- THE
LIBRARY, THE ROBERT SAUNDERS LABOR, WHICH IS ZONED CG.
AND ADD TO THE SOUTH, YOU WILL HAVE A CHURCH.
AND ALSO YOU WILL HAVE THE ENCORE RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS HERE TO THE SOUTH.
AND THOSE ARE ZONED RM-24.
NOW THE DEVELOPMENT IF WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN.
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IS FOR 40 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND BUSINESS OFFICE USES.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS A LOT AREA OF 155,70 8
SQUARE FEET.
AND LOCATED ALONG NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUES, NORTH
GOVERNOR STREET AND EAST KAY STREET.
THE PRESENT USE OF THE LAND IS VACANT AND ALSO
COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL SPACE IS 6250 SQUARE FEET AND
PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SPACE IS 35,308 SQUARE FEET.
AS STATED IN THE WAIVERS, THE TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING
IS 114 SPACES.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 96.
SO ASKING FOR A WAIVER OF 16% REDUCTION.
VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE SITE OFF OF EAST KAY STREET.
AS I WENT ON THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE VACANT PORTION.
AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE THAT ROBERT SAUNDERS LIBRARY TO
THE NORTHEAST OF THE SITE.
AS YOU WILL SEE THE OFFICE SPACE FEEDING MINISTRIES TO
THE WEST.
TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE THE ENCORE
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY BUILDING.
AND TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THE
LIBRARY AND ALSO COUNTY-OWNED SPACES.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
THE APPLICATION AND FINDS THE OVERALL REQUEST
INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE, THIS IS DUE TO THE PREPARATION PLANNING AND
NATURAL RESOURCES WAIVER.
MODIFICATION OF THE SITE PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BY THE
APPLICANT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING AS STATED ON
THE REVISION SHEET.
PLEASE BE AWARE EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES TO THE SITE
PLAN, THE CASE WILL STILL BE FOUND OVERALL
INCONSISTENT.
THANK YOU.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I HAVE MY
TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING STAFF AND NATURAL RESOURCES
STAFF ON STANDBY OPINION.
20:25:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
20:26:05 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MICHAEL MINCBERG, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
OUR COMPANY SITE DEVELOPMENT HAS PROUDLY BEEN BASED IN
YBOR FOR TEN YEARS AND ADDED VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY
WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION PROJECTS.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THE LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT IS
SANDWICHED BETWEEN THREE LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENTS.
THE GTE CREDIT UNION, GAS WORX AND ENCORE.
ENCORE AND GAS WORX HAVE BEEN PLANNED AS PRIMARILY
RENTAL DEVELOPMENTS, DIFFERENT FROM OURS WHICH IS
OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE HOMEOWNERSHIP.
THERE ARE SOME VERY IMPORTANT BENEFITS TO THIS PROJECT.
AS I MENTIONED IT CREATES A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY FOR
HOME OWNERSHIP.
VERY LITTLE HOME OWNERSHIP IN YBOR CITY WHICH IS AN
IMPORTANT PART TO THE WORK-PLAY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE REPOSITIONING A 100-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT IS IN
TERRIBLE SHAPE AND THIS IS NOT REQUIRED BUT BEING
ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT TO THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IMPORTANT TO THE CHARACTER OF
THE COMMUNITY AND TO US.
ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM
TO RETAIN THREE GRAND TREES AND HELP KEEP THE TREE
CANOPY.
LASTLY, THIS IMPROVES VACANT LAND THAT RIGHT NOW IS
NOT A SAFE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY AND CREATES CONNECTIVITY
BETWEEN THE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS CURRENTLY THERE.
THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE HARDSHIPS THAT CREATE A NEED FOR
A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HERE.
THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL, NARROW BLOCK.
AND WE ARE BEING PENALIZED FOR RETAINING THE
100-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE AND DEVELOPING A MIXED USE
PROJECT.
ONE OF THOSE QUIRKY ISSUES IN THE CODE OF COMP PLAN
ENCOURAGING MIXED USED WITHIN A CATEGORY.
THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED
THAT RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT TREES THAT WE HAVE WORKED
HARD TO DESIGN AROUND.
I WANT TO POINT OUT HOW CLOSE THIS IS TO THE YBOR
HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT RED LINE IS THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT LINE.
AND IF WE WERE WITHIN THERE, WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH MORE
LENIENT ZONING CODE AND REDUCE THE NEED FOR WAIVERS.
THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE 100-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT
SITS THERE TODAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE IT IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND TWO OF -- TWO OF OUR WAIVERS JUST TO POINT OUT
THERE, ONE IS GETTING VEHICULAR ACCESS ON THE
COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OF NEBRASKA IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE
THE BUILDING TAKES ALL OF THAT UP.
AND SECONDLY, IT WOULD BE MEETING THE SETBACK.
THE BUILDING IS ALREADY THERE.
SO WE WOULD LOSE AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER OF THE
COMMUNITY TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND FRANKLY, IT
WOULD MAKE MORE ECONOMIC SENSE FOR ME TO TAKE THAT
BUILDING DOWN.
I COULD PUT SIX MORE UNITS THERE WHICH WILL MAKE MORE
MONEY, BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE PROJECT AND
TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE
PROPERTY AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THEN A RENDERING OF WHAT WE PLAN TO DO TO REALLY
BRING IT BACK TO ITS -- IT'S ORIGINAL GLORY.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS AERIAL IS TO SHOW YOU HOW INITIALLY
NARROW THIS BLOCK IS.
IT'S REALLY A LEFTOVER PIECE OF THE GTE DEVELOPMENT THERE,
WHICH IS REALLY WHAT'S CREATED THIS HARDSHIP FOR US.
IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WIDTH OF THE BLOCK TO THE SOUTH.
IT JUST MAKES IT INCREDIBLY HARD TO DEVELOP IN THE COVID
ENVIRONMENT.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE CITY ALLOWED GTE TO VACATE
THIRD AVENUE HERE, AND TO DO ALL OF THAT LAND AND THIS ROAD
HERE WHERE IT'S MADE A PRIVATE ACCESS, SO IT LIMITED OUR
ACCESS ITEMS AGAIN CREATING A HARDSHIP ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
AS A LOCAL DEVELOPER WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE
YBOR RENAISSANCE AND I VALUE OUR COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO THE SAY THANK YOU AND HAND IT OVER TO OUR COUNSEL
MARK BENTLEY.
20:30:58 >> MARK BENTLEY:
I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE AND FILE
LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA 32602,
REPRESENTING SYKES DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, NOT WITHSTANDING THE OVERALL FINDING OF
INCONSISTENCY BY STAFF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT ON
PARAGRAPH 2 WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE CRITERIA FOR THE
PURPOSE OF THE PD, PROPOSED USE OF ZONING TO SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED HOMES AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICES COMPATIBLE
WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND THEY IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE
USES.
SO THE REAL CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE THESE CODES IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT ARE TYPICALLY USED OR USED OFTEN IN
LIKE A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT LIKE TAMPA PALMS OR HUNTER'S
GREEN WHERE THE CODE REQUIRES 350 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE
FOR A UNIT.
SO TO BUILD A BIG APARTMENT PROJECT LIKE HUNTER'S GREEN IS
NOT MUCH OF A CHALLENGE BUT WHEN YOU GET THESE SMALL LIKE
URBAN IN-FILL SITES AND TRY TO APPLY ALL THESE DIFFERENT
CODES, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THIS.
THAT'S WHERE THE WAIVERS COME IN. YOU WILL SEE NOT
WITHSTANDING THE NUMBER, WE REDUCED THOSE, AND YOU WILL
UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE, I THINK MIKE WAS TRYING TO TELL
YOU HERE.
THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO POINT OUT LIKE MIKE SAID, CAN WE GO
TO THE -- THERE WE ARE.
THIS IS THIRD AVENUE.
NEEDS TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WEST OVER TO GOVERNOR,
AND THAT ROAD IS GONE.
AND THIS BECAME PRIVATE ACCESS FOR GTE.
SO NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING A ROAD TO BUILD UP AGAINST, THE
ROAD HAS TO BE CREATED INTERNALLY TO THE PROJECT, OKAY?
SO THAT'S AN OBSTACLE THERE.
THAT JUST CREATES KIND OF A HARDSHIP.
NOW, THIS BUILDING MIKE HAD MENTIONED IS ROUGHLY 6,000
SQUARE FEET, AND THE WAY YOUR CODE IS, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S
NEBRASKA AVENUE SETBACK OF 54 FEET, OKAY, AND THAT WAS
ENACTED A LONG TIME AGO.
AND BUT THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT AT 42 FEET.
SO NOW WE NEED A WAIVER OF 12 FEET JUST TO MAINTAIN A SEMI
HISTORIC BUILDING.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT MIKE INTENDS TO DO WITH THE BUILDING.
I THINK HE SHOWED YOU THAT.
SO TO GET TO THIS BUILDING, AND HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, YOU
HAVE TO COME IN FROM A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER WAIVER, OKAY?
SO THESE LITTLE THINGS START PILING UP.
NOT WITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THESE ARE LEGAL
NONCONFORMITIES, AND NOW WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING -- AND
THE RATIO WAS HIGHER THE LAST TIME AROUND, BUT AS OF THE
LAST TWO DAYS WE HAVE WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY WHERE THE
CITY SAID PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, BUSINESS OFFICE, ONLY HAS A
RATIO OF ONE SPACE PER THOUSAND.
SO THE OVERALL PROJECT, MIKE COULD HAVE BUILT 214 UNITS HERE
AND HE'S BUILDING 40 PLUS [DISTORTION] -- PARKING REQUIRED
IS 90 FOR RESIDENTIAL AND SIX SPACES FOR THIS BUILDING, THE
OLD BUILDING.
SO WE HAVE 96 SPACES ON-SITE.
WE DON'T NEED A PARKING WAIVER ANYMORE.
THAT WAIVER IS GONE, OKAY.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT TO COUNCIL THAT THIS IS
PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY I'M POINTING TO, SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
THERE YOU GO.
AND THERE'S TEN SPACES HERE.
THOSE ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WE CAN'T COUNT
THOSE TOWARD OUR REQUIRED PARKING UNDER THE CODE, OKAY.
BUT REALISTICALLY, WHO IS GOING TO USE THOSE TEN SPACES.
NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER 10.
NOW WE HAVE 116 SPACES.
SO PARKING REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE.
NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THESE OTHER WAIVERS, THERE IS A
REQUIREMENT FOR OPEN SPACES, 350 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, AND
WE ARE PROVIDING 313.
LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE HAD 304.
NOW WE ARE UP TO 90%, WHICH IS PRETTY DARN GOOD FOR AN URBAN
IN-FILL PROJECT.
AND THEN I WILL TELL YOU HOW WE OFFSET THAT.
ALSO, WE ARE SAVING THREE GRAND TREES SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A
CREDIT IN THE CREDIT BANK, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR A
PROJECT BEING PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
ALSO, WITH THE SHORTAGE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN TERMS OF
THE GREEN SPACE, THE 313 VERSUS HE, WE ARE PAYING A FEE IN
LIEU TO THE CITY'S FUND.
WE ALSO SEE THE 20% DUA BY PROVIDING 6,120 SQUARE FEET WHEN
ONLY 3900 SQUARE FEET ARE REQUIRED.
SO WE ARE PROVIDING 2200 MORE SQUARE FEET OF VEHICULAR USE
AREA AT 35%, MORE THAN REQUIRED BY THE CODE, SO THAT 2,000
OFFSETS THE, I GUESS, ROUGHLY 2,000 OR 1800 WE ARE SHORT ON
THE OVERALL GREEN SPACE.
SO I THINK BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITUATION, THAT
OFFSETS THAT.
I SPOKE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF ST. PETER CLAVER YESTERDAY AND
SHE HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH IT. WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM
THE COMMUNITY.
AS MIKE MENTIONED WE ARE JUST ON THE FRINGE OF THE HISTORIC
DISTRICT.
WE HAD SENT IT OVER TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO TAKE A LOOK
AT IT AND THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS, AND ACTUALLY THEY ARE VERY
ENTHUSED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO STEP UP
TO THE PLATE AND REHAB ONE OF THESE OLD BUILDINGS WITHOUT
SOMEONE PUTTING A GUN TO HIS HEAD.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MIKE DOES IN YBOR CITY.
IF YOU HAVE SEEN ANY OF THINKS PROJECTS.
SO I THINK WE WHITTLED DOWN THE WAIVERS TO THE EXTENT WE
REASONABLY COULD.
I THINK THERE'S A HARDSHIP HERE, UNIQUENESS OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THESE ARE THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT I THINK THE CITY IS
REALLY -- IT CREATES A LOT OF DIVERSITY.
AND UNLIKE THAT BIG MAP THAT MIKE SHOWS YOU WITH GAS WORX
AND EVERYTHING, THESE ARE FEE SIMPLE HOMES.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO OWN THEIR HOME HERE.
MOST OF THOSE YOU SEE ARE RENTAL PROJECTS, THOSE BIG
PROJECTS IN YBOR CITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO THE PROJECT AS
WELL.
SO WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN.
WE KEPT THE DENSITY DOWN.
WE DIDN'T TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
SOME OF THESE WAIVERS SEEM A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, THE CODE
IS WHAT IT IS, BUT TELLING US WE NEED A WAIVER OF STREET
SETBACKS WHEN THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN THERE FOR 96 YEARS, YOU
KNOW, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAD TO CHANGE YOUR CODE AFTER THAT
BUILDING WAS THERE, MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THESE GUYS ARE
COMING IN ASKING FOR THE WORLD HERE, BUT REALLY AS YOU CAN
SEE THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL GLADLY ATTEMPT TO
ANSWER THEM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
20:38:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS OF MR. BENTLEY?
20:38:22 >>BILL CARLSON:
DID YOU SHOW ELEVATIONS BESIDES THE
HISTORIC BUILDING?
20:38:25 >> ZAIN HAS THEM.
I HAVE GOT THEM IN THE FILE.
20:38:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S OKAY, THANK YOU.
20:38:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
ON NEBRASKA AVENUE, ALL THE BIG HOUSES ON NEBRASKA, AND --
20:39:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE FUNERAL HOME.
20:39:14 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
20:39:47 >> IT'S PRETTY BARE BONES AS YOU SEE HERE, THREE STORY.
20:39:52 >> THE ARCHITECTURE, MORE MONOLITHIC, STOREFRONT, THINGS OF
THAT NATURE.
20:40:03 >>MARK BENTLEY:
COLUMNS AND LIKE SEVENTH AVENUE.
20:40:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. BENTLEY?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC?
ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYONE REGISTERED?
20:40:23 >>THE CLERK:
NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
20:40:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE?
MOVED BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
MR. MIRANDA?
20:40:42 >>LUIS VIERA:
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT, SIR?
20:40:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL GO TO MR. MIRANDA.
YOU TAKE THE NEXT ONE.
20:40:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE 6, REZ 21-115, MOVE AN ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1502
NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE, AND 1218, 1302, 1304, 1306, 130,
1310, 1312, 1314 EAST KAY STREET, AND 801, 803, 085, 807,
809 AND 811 EAST THIRD AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, AND
YC-5 YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND
BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
20:41:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL.
20:41:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY.
THE REVISION SHEET, PLEASE?
20:41:52 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
CAN YOU SEE ME?
20:41:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, WE CAN'T YET.
NOT ON SCREEN.
IF WE CAN GO TO THE MONITORS.
20:42:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE COULD ASK THE CTTV TO SWITCH OVER TO
BE ABLE TO SEE YOU.
20:42:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE HE IS.
20:42:13 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
20:42:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
20:42:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
20:42:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
20:42:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
20:42:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
20:42:21 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21, 2022
AT 930 A.M.
20:42:31 >> BILL CARLSON:
ON ITEM NUMBER 7, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO WITH PERMISSION MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT
MY FORM AB, THE NATURE OF MY CONFLICT IS THAT THE COMPANY BY
WHOM I AM RETAINED DOES BUSINESS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD IN
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ON MATTERS NOT RELATED TO THIS
APPLICATION.
20:42:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
MR. MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
MOTION GRANTED.
20:43:02 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
NUMBER 7, SU-2-21-03, A REQUEST FOR A
SPECIAL USE 2 FOR A SCHOOL AT A LOCATION 4210 WEST BAY VILLA
AVENUE.
I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO JENNIFER MALONE OF THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
20:43:27 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
JENNIFER MALONE AGAIN WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS IS SU-2-21-03, SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
, AND HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
IT'S LOCATED EAST OF SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE.
THERE'S COMMERCIAL USES LOCATED ALONG SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE
BUT THE PREDOMINANT PATTERN IN THIS AREA IS SINGLE-FAMILY
DETACHED.
YOU WILL SEE THAT REFLECTED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR
MIXED USE 35 ALONG SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE WHERE THE
COMMERCIAL USES ARE AND THEN RESIDENTIAL 10 IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED ARE LOCATED.
THE SUBJECT SITE ITSELF HAS LAND USE OF PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC DESIGNATION DOES NOT HAVE DENSITY OR
INTENSITY.
INSTEAD IT IS GUIDED BY THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REVIEWED THIS REQUEST,
TOOK A SAMPLE OF OTHER COMMERCIAL AND PUBLIC USES IN THE
AREA, AND DETERMINED THE AVERAGE WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA
TO SEE IF IT'S COMPATIBLE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN F.A.R. OF 0.26, AND THEN
THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOUND THAT SEVEN SAMPLE SITES IN
THE SAME AREA WERE NOT RESIDENTIAL USES DEVELOPED F.A.R. OF
0.17.
BUT DID FIND THE 0.26 COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO ENCOURAGES THE
PLACEMENT OF SCHOOLS AND OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES IN
NEIGHBORHOODS TO SERVE AS COMMUNITY LOCAL POINTS,
DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN, AND STANDARD TO ENSURE THAT IT'S
COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PATTERN.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH
THE POLICY, AND WE FOUND THAT THE SCHOOL WAS PROVIDING THE
BUFFERING REQUIRED, AND SCREENING RESIDENTIAL USES
CONSISTENT WITH THIS POLICY.
SO GIVEN THE DESIGN FEATURES, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
FINDS THE REQUEST WILL BE DEVELOPED IN A MANNER THAT IS
COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONSISTENT
WITH THE UNDERLYING PUBLIC SEMI-PUBLIC LAND USE DESIGNATION.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
20:45:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS OF MS. MALONE?
ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO BACK TO ZAIN.
20:45:57 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
CAN CASE SU-2-21-03.
THE APPLICANT IS THE SCHOOL BOARD OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
REPRESENTED BY JULIA MANDELL, AT A LOCATION 4210 WEST BAY
VILLA AVENUE.
CURRENTLY ZONED RS 60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND PROPOSED
TO A SPECIAL USE OF A SCHOOL.
ONE WAIVER BEING REQUESTED.
SECTION 27-132 SAYS TO ALLOW ACCESS TO LOCAL STREETS, SOUTH
COOLIDGE AVENUE, WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE AND SOUTH LOIS
AVENUE, IS THE ONE WAIVER REQUESTED.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A
MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 50 FEET WHICH IS SURPASSING THE HEIGHT OF
RM 60, BUT THEY DON'T NEED A WAIVER FOR THIS AS PER SECTION
27-132-F WHICH STATES A SCHOOL MAY BE CONSTRUCTED IN EXCESS
OF THE HEIGHT LIMITATION OF THE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS
LOCATED PROVIDED THE APPLICANT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THE
HEIGHT OF THE SCHOOL DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ADJOINING
AND NEARBY PROPERTIES. IN DETERMINING WHETHER HEIGHT HAS AN
ADVERSE EFFECT IN THE RELATION TO THE SCHOOL OF THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDING YARD, BUSINESS ON THE
STREETS AND BUSINESS FROM EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS AND
OTHER STRUCTURES SHALL BE CONSIDERED.
SPECIAL CONDITIONS MAY ALSO BE ESTABLISHED TO ENSURE THE
COMPATIBILITY OF THE HEIGHT OF THE SCHOOL WITH THE
SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S FROM 27-132-F OF THE ZONING CODE.
UPON THAT STAFF FINDS DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AS
THE SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, AS I WILL SHOW YOU ON
THE SITE PLAN.
MOVING TO THE OVERHEAD AERIAL YOU WILL SEE THE PROPERTY HERE
OUTLINED IN RED, CROSSING WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE, SOUTH
COOLIDGE AVENUE AND ALSO SOUTH LOIS AVENUE.
THE LOT HAS APPROXIMATELY 563,832 SQUARE FEET, OR 12.944
ACRES.
THE PROPOSED STUDENT POPULATION IS APPROXIMATELY 1800
STUDENTS WITH 120 STAFF MEMBERS.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE FIVE BUILDINGS FOR A
TOTAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 151,433 SQUARE FEET.
NOW, ABUTTING THE SCHOOL IS RESIDENTIAL 60 TO THE NORTH, TO
THE EAST, AND TO THE SOUTH.
TO THE WEST, YOU WILL HAVE A YOUTH CENTER HERE CALLED THE
PREP AND ALSO YOU WILL HAVE A LIBRARY HERE, ALSO TO THE
WEST.
THAT IS THE JAN PLATT LIBRARY.
THE PROPOSED REQUEST REQUIRES 135 PARKING SPACES.
YOU SEE THE OVERHEAD.
135 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND A TOTAL OF 151 PARKING
SPACES ARE BEING PROVIDED.
AS WE LOOK AT THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, CURRENTLY USED FOR
ONLY STAFF ONLY FOR EDUCATIONAL EXERCISES.
YOU SEE THE SITE.
ALSO TO THE SOUTH.
AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN YOU WILL SEE THE PREP.
AND ALSO IF YOU LOOK YOU WILL SEE THE JAN PLATT LIBRARY TO
THE WEST OF THE SITE.
TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE AND NORTH OF THE SITE YOU WILL SEE
THAT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
ALSO TO THE EAST OF THE SITE AND NORTHEAST OF THE SITE YOU
HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ALONG THE STREET.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FINDS THE OVERALL REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH
THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING, IF APPROVED ON THE REVISION SHEET.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
20:50:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ZAIN, WHAT SCHOOL IS THERE NOW?
20:50:11 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
RIGHT NOW, IT IS A TRAINING FACILITY CALLED
THE MANHATTAN CENTER.
IT'S RESEARCH FROM OUR SIDE JUST A TRAINING FACILITY FOR
STAFF MEMBERS ONLY.
20:50:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?
ALL RIGHT.
MS. MANDELL?
20:50:32 >>JULIA MANDELL:
GOOD EVENING.
JULIA MANDELL, GRAY ROBINSON.
401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
WITH ME IS RENE CAMDEN, THE MANAGER OF PLANNING WITH THE
SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SHE IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
AND SHE'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
I THINK ZAIN DID A NICE JOB EXPLAINING WHAT THE PROJECT IS,
AND IT USED TO BE A SCHOOL BUT NOW SERVING AS AN
ADMINISTRATOR BUILDING FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, THEY ARE
REDEVELOPING THIS SITE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE K-8 SCHOOL IN
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE WE ARE GETTING TO A PLACE WHERE
SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT TAMPA ARE
STARTING TO HAVE SOME CROWDING PROBLEMS, AND THIS WAS ALWAYS
INTENDED TO BE AND WAS TO CREATE A NEW SCHOOL IN THIS
LOCATION.
AS ZAIN SAID, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES, JUST UNDER 13
ACRES RIGHT NOW.
AS I SAID IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.
THERE'S ALSO SOME FIELDS THAT ARE USED BY, I THINK, IT'S
TAMPA PREP FOR THE PURPOSE OF THEIR SPORTS ACTIVITIES.
WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING REGARDING THIS SCHOOL.
I DID NOT ATTEND IT BUT RENE DID, AND FROM WHAT OUR
CONVERSATION WAS, IT SEEMED THERE WAS AN OVERALL POSITIVE TO
DEVELOP IN THIS WAY, AS A SCHOOL IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT DID COME UP FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND
IS RELATED TO SIDEWALKS, AND WE ARE PROVIDING SIDEWALKS ON
ALL FOUR CORNERS OF THE SITE.
THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSIONS REGARDING
STORMWATER IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
AS WE ARE REQUIRED TO, MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR STORMWATER
ON-SITE.
WE ARE PUTTING IN BOX CULVERTS AND DOING OTHER IMPROVEMENTS
IN ORDER TO ENSURE STORMWATER NEEDS ARE MET.
HOWEVER THERE, HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY THAT
ARE ONGOING, NOTHING HAS BEEN FINALIZED, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE
TO ALSO USE OUR SITE AND USE SOME OF OUR FACILITIES FOR A
BIGGER STORMWATER PROJECT IN THE AREA.
IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOU BUT I JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW
THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE OCCURRING.
IN ADDITION, THERE ARE SOME SPORTS FIELDS ON THERE.
AS OF NOW, ALL LIGHTING FOR ANY FUTURE SPORTS FIELDS WILL BE
DIRECTED INWARD, AND WILL BE SHIELDED.
THERE WILL ALSO BE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AROUND IN PROXIMITY TO
THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT EXIST NOW, SINGLE-FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL, AND WILL HELP TO BUFFER THIS.
WE REALLY DO THINK THIS IS A GOOD AMENITY FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT HELPS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING
SCHOOLS FOR THE INFLUX OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING
THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE
WAIVERS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO LOCATE YOUR SCHOOLS PER CODE ON
COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROADWAYS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE WITHIN
YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE INTEREST IN HAVING SCHOOLS IN
NEIGHBORHOODS SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO ALLOW ACCESS
ONTO LOCAL ROADS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IN THIS CASE, THAT'S WHERE
YOU WANT YOUR SCHOOLS, K-8 SCHOOLS, SO YOU CAN HAVE
OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL, AND BE NOT ON LARGER
ROADWAYS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL MENTION, ALL OF OUR QUEUING WILL BE
ON-SITE, AND I HAVE KIDS, I HAVE BEEN IN QUEUE LINES, AND IT
IS DEFINITELY BETTER TO GET OFF THE ROADWAY.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF RENE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY PRESENTATION FOR THIS TIME.
THANK YOU.
20:54:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. MANDELL?
SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
20:54:22 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE ONE, JEAN STROHMEYER.
20:54:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HAVE WE GOT JEAN THERE?
(LOST AUDIO).
20:55:11 >>LUIS VIERA:
IS MY PLEASURE TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE -- THANK
YOU, SIR.
MY PLEASURE TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT S-2 APPROVING SCHOOL IN AN RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
4210 WEST BAY VILLA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 THEREOF
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
20:55:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL.
20:55:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
20:55:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
20:55:41 >>BILL CARLSON:
20:55:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
20:55:47 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
20:55:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
20:55:50 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
20:55:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 8, ZAIN.
20:56:01 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, NUMBER 8, AB
2-22-505, REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE 2 FOR SMALL VENUE BEER,
WINE AND LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
GENERALLY LOCATED AT 520 EAST FLORIBRASKA AVENUE.
CAN I PLEASE HAVE CONTROL OF THE SCREEN?
20:56:23 >>THE CLERK:
YOU HAVE CONTROL, ZAIN.
20:56:32 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
THANKS.
CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN?
20:56:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NOT YET, ZAIN.
20:56:37 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
HOW ABOUT NOW?
20:56:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, SIR.
WE GOT IT.
BLOW IT UP.
20:56:58 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
THANKS SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
THE APPLICANT IS KING STATE COFFEE LLC REPRESENTED BY TYLER
HUDSON.
THERE IS AN ACTIVE AB SALES, AB 2-18-07, FOR SMALL VENUE
BEER AND WINE.
NOW, THE PROPOSED AB SALES IS AB 2-22-50 WHICH WILL BE A
SMALL VENUE BEER, WINE AND ADDITIONAL LIQUOR.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE AB SALES WILL BE THE SAME, 1,696
SQUARE FEET INDOORS, 941 SQUARE FEET OUTDOORS FOR A TOTAL OF
2,637 SQUARE FEET.
THE PARKING PROVIDED IS 27 PARKING SPACES.
THIS WAS APPROVED IN AB 2-18-07.
WHICH GOES FROM 33 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED TO 27.
SO THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST.
FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION, HOURS OF OPERATION, THE
APPLICANT TOLD ME THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE HOURS OF
OPERATION THE SAME AS IT CURRENTLY IS, SO SALES BEING
CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14, THEY ARE REQUESTING FROM 7 A.M.
TO 1 A.M. SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK.
NO ALCOHOL SALES WILL BE DONE PRIOR TO 11 A.M. ON SUNDAYS
AND CLOSING TIME EXTENDED TO 2 A.M. SIX TIMES PER CALENDAR
YEAR.
THE APPLICANT IS TO NOTIFY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OF THE
PROPOSED DATES IN WRITING ANNUAL BY JANUARY 15th OF EACH
YEAR.
SO CHANGES MUST BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING ON
THE SALES HOURS.
THERE ARE NO WAIVERS BEING REQUESTED HERE, AND NO AB SALES
ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN 250 FEET.
IF YOU COME OVER HERE TO THE AERIAL VIEW, YOU WILL SEE THE
SITE OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, YOU WILL HAVE RESIDENTIAL
SURROUNDING THE SITE, AS WELL AS 275 RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH
OVER TO THE EAST.
IF WE GO TO THE OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN, YOU WILL SEE
WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS.
THE PARKING.
AND THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING THE PARCEL.
EAST FLORIBRASKA, IS WHERE ACCESS TO THE SITE IS.
AND YOU SEE THE ELEVATIONS TO THE SITE.
AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.
AND WEPT OUT TO THE SITE, GOT MORE ADDITIONAL PICTURES OF
THE SITE.
YOU WILL SEE THE STRUCTURE.
YOU WILL SEE THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
YOU WILL SEE THE SITE.
YOU WILL SEE EAST OF THE SITE, YOU HAVE 275 RUNNING UP AND
DOWN.
TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
AND TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, OVER THE FENCE YOU WILL SEE
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
THIS APPLICATION AND FINDS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
NOW, CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN ARE NEEDED BETWEEN FIRST
AND SECOND READING.
ANYTHING ELSE?
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
21:00:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ZAIN, YOU SAID THERE IS NO ALCOHOL BEING
SERVED WITHIN 250 FEET AT THE SITE?
21:00:17 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
CORRECT.
THERE IS AB SALES ESTABLISHMENT TO THE WEST, BUT NOT WITHIN
250 FEET.
21:00:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW, BUT -- OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
21:00:38 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
THEY ARE BEYOND 250 FEET.
DISTANCE SEPARATION.
21:00:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
REALLY?
HMMM.
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS OF ZAIN?
THE APPLICANT.
21:01:02 >> TYLER HUDSON, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE.
IF I CAN USE THE SCREEN HERE.
CAN YOU SEE THAT?
ALL RIGHT.
I LIVE THREE BLOCKS AWAY, AND MY KIDS -- WE WANT TO MAKE A
VERY SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE WET ZONING.
ZAIN DID A GREAT JOB RUNNING THROUGH WHAT'S ALREADY APPROVED
AND THE VERY MINOR CHANGE WE ARE MAKING. I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS.
IT'S RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF FLORIBRASKA AND 275 IN THE
HEIGHT OF -- HEART OF TAMPA HEIGHTS.
21:02:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOUR NAME.
21:02:23 >>TYLER HUDSON:
I THOUGHT I DID THAT AT THE BEGINNING.
TYLER HUDSON, 400 ASHLEY.
TO SERVE SPECIALTY COCKTAIL.
WE CAN SELL UNLIMITED AMOUNTS OF BEER AND WINE ALONG WITH
THE COFFEE WHICH IS A BIG SELLER.
WHAT'S WORTH NOTING, IN TAMPA HEIGHTS, AS THE FOOD AND
BEVERAGE PROGRAM EVOLVED, THEY ARE SERVING NONALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGES, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVE BEER, WINE
AND LIQUOR AS WELL.
THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR HERE.
WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY WAIVERS.
NO CHANGE IN OPERATING HOURS.
THAT IS A CHANGE WE WILL MAKE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING.
THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW INCORRECTLY HAS CHAPTER
14 HOURS.
THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT.
ALSO ON AMPLIFIED SOUND, THERE WAS A RESTRICTION IN THE
ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
IT'S IN THE CURRENT SITE PLAN THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT IN ONE
SECOND.
YOU SEE THE OPERATING HOURS, 7 TO 1, NO ALCOHOL SALES BEFORE
11, SIX TIMES A YEAR TO EXTEND ONE HOUR.
ON NOISE, THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT IS, AND NO AMPLIFIED
SOUND AFTER 10 P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND AFTER
11 P.M. ON WEEKENDS.
THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
IT'S AN EXCELLENT NEIGHBOR AND HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE CIVIC
ASSOCIATION.
AS EVIDENCE OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT CHANGING.
VERY PROUD TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC
ASSOCIATION.
THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS SUPPORT IN THE RECORD AS WELL.
I WILL ADMIT WHEN I READ THE LETTERS TODAY, ONE NAME STOOD
OUT BECAUSE IT'S MY WIFE'S NAME, AND OUR ADDRESS, SO I HOPE
YOU DON'T PUT TOO MUCH INTO HER LETTER, BUT DON'T TELL HER I
SAID THAT.
THAT IS MY HOUSE THAT'S IN THAT LETTER.
WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT HERE, BUT I WILL KEEP IT VERY BRIEF.
21:04:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS FOOD.
21:04:57 >>TYLER HUDSON:
GOOD FOOD, GOOD FOOD.
21:05:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU KNOW THAT AREA, MY OFFICE WAS RIGHT
ACROSS THE STREET.
21:05:16 >>TYLER HUDSON:
THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FLORIBRASKA?
21:05:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY OFFICE WAS THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND CARS WOULD GO THERE ALL THE TIME, GOING ACROSS THE
STREET, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT, AND OLD GAS
STATION.
THE AREA HAS CHANGED, BUT ABLE TO DEMOLISH THAT EYESORE A
COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WHERE THE HOMELESS POPULATION, TALK ABOUT
BEER AND WINE AND LIQUOR.
AND WE HAD A HANG-OUT SPOT, AND LIQUOR.
I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF HAVING LIQUOR STORES IN COMMUNITY,
BUT YOU CAN TELL ME, IS IT A PACKAGE STORE?
GIVE ME AN IDEA.
21:06:12 >>TYLER HUDSON:
SURE.
THERE'S THE LOCAL CITY COMPANION, SPECIAL USE WHICH STAY WAS
THE LAND AND THEN THERE'S THE STATE, YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK THAT
WET ZONING WITH A STATE LICENSE, SO RIGHT NOW, ON PREMISES
AND OFF-PREMISES BEER AN WINE.
YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A COCKTAIL.
THERE'S NO STATE LICENSE FOR GETTING -- WE ARE GETTING TO
SALE LIQUOR TO GO.
UNDER STATE LAW, BECAUSE WITH COVID THERE IS AN ABILITY FOR
SPECIAL RESTAURANTS IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES TO DO THIS.
THE COCKTAIL TODAY AND IT WAS REALLY POPULAR DURING COVID,
BUT IS NOTE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A PACKAGE STORE FOR
LIQUOR.
THEY DO THEIR OWN BEER, COFFEE, THEY WORK WITH NATURAL WINE
PRODUCTS.
THE BEER AND WINE IS GOING TO BE SOLD TOGETHER TO GO BUT YOU
CAN'T BUY A BOTTLE OF VODKA AND WALK OUT THE DOOR.
THERE'S NO INTENT TO DO THAT.
THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET A LICENSE TO DO THAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE SPACE ON THE FLOOR REALLY TO DO ANY MORE
BOTTLES.
21:07:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW THE AREA.
THE INTERSTATE, AND --
21:07:31 >>TYLER HUDSON:
I THINK THEY ARE OPERATING -- THE MARKET
FOR EXAMPLE DOWN THE ROAD, AND THIS IS A FAMILY PLACE, A
PLACE TO ENJOY COFFEE, DRINK NONALCOHOLIC OPTIONS, GIVEN THE
TYPE OF WET ZONING THAT THEY HAVE, THEY CAN'T SELL MORE THAN
51 OR 49% OF THEIR REVENUE WITH NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, SO
THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT RESTRICTION AND ARE GOING
TO ABIDE BY THAT.
21:08:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MR. HUDSON, PLEASE, RUN THAT BY ME AGAIN.
YOU ARE ASKING FOR A PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION,
BUT YOU JUST SAID YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE USING IT FOR THAT?
21:08:17 >>TYLER HUDSON:
YES, I BELIEVE IT'S AN APS LICENSE.
WE HAVE A 2COP FROM THE STATE WHICH IS A 2 BEER AND WINE COP
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES.
WE WOULD BE CHANGING THAT TO GET A 4(COP) FOR A SPECIAL
RESTAURANT.
AGAIN, THAT HAS A LIMITATION.
21:08:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET ME INTERRUPT YOU.
THAT'S JUST FOR SALE OF HARD LIQUOR ON PREMISES.
21:08:41 >>TYLER HUDSON:
CORRECT.
21:08:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR OFF-PREMISES SALE?
21:08:47 >>TYLER HUDSON:
BECAUSE WE DO SELL BEER AND WINE.
THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
SO THERE'S NOTE A WAY THAT I AM AWARE OF IN THE LOCAL WET
ZONING TO CARVE OUT LIQUOR OFF-PREMISES.
WE HAVE TO GET A STATE LICENSE TO DO THAT AND I CAN TELL YOU
THIS ON THE RECORD AND THE OWNERS WILL TELL YOU THIS, NO
INTENT TO DO THAT.
BUT THE PACK ALLEGE SALES FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, THAT'S
SOMEWHAT INSEPARABLE WHAT'S WITHIN THAT.
THERE'S NO INTENT IN OUR ABILITY TO MAKE THIS A LIQUOR STORE
BECAUSE THERE'S NO STATE LICENSE.
WE DON'T HAVE A STATE LICENSE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR ONE TO HAVE THAT OFF-PREMISES.
BEER AND WINE IS SOLD OFF-PREMISES.
21:09:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE APPLICANTS ARE SELLING GROWLERS?
I'M SORRY, THEIR OWN BREWED BEER?
21:09:38 >>TYLER HUDSON:
YES, A SMALL AMOUNT, THEIR SHELF AREA IS NO
WIDER THAN THIS PODIUM HERE, FOR NATURAL WINE PRODUCTS.
BUT BEER AND COFFEE AND COOL T-SHIRTS.
21:09:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M CONFUSED ON WHY YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN
OFF-PREMISES PACKAGE SALES.
THE DECISIONS WE MAKE HERE GO WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, I SEE
CONCERNS, AS COUNCILMAN GUDES DOES.
21:10:11 >>TYLER HUDSON:
SURE.
REGARDING STAYING WITH THE PROPERTY, THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS DOES.
HOWEVER, IF THERE'S A SUSPENSION OR CESSATION OF ALCOHOL
SALES FOR 60 DAYS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE THING THAT WILL
HAPPEN.
WHOEVER COMES IN NEXT, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT GOES AWAY.
SO THIS COMPANY IS COMMITTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SALES IS NOT AN EASY THING.
BUT IF I GOT THE SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC
ASSOCIATION, NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, WHAT A GREAT
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY HAVE EARNED TRUST IN THE LAST FOUR
YEARS SINCE THEY GOT THE FIRST WET ZONING APPROVAL IN APRIL
OF 22.
IT'S SOMETHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS AND I THINK THEY HAVE
DEMONSTRATED THEY CAN BE RESPONSIBLE, SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
21:11:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
21:11:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?
ALL RIGHT.
ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
OKAY.
21:11:24 >> MY NAME IS RUBEN FRANK, 515 EAST -- AVENUE, I'M THE
HOMEOWNER ON THE CORNER WHERE ALL THE CARS USED TO DRIVE.
I'M THE ONE THAT WORKED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA TO GET THE
LIGHT ON THE CORNER, BECAUSE OF ALL THE CARS IN MY FRONT
YARD.
AS FAR AS KING IS CONCERNED, I HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY
RESPONSIBLE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOR FROM KEEPING THE PROPERTY
CLEAN, TO KEEPING IT QUIET, TO BRINGING A GREAT VIBE TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU EVER HAD A CHANCE DO FREQUENT ANY OF YOU
BUT I HAVE, AND THE CONCERNS WE HAVE AS FAR AS THE LICENSING
ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY AS FAR AS LIQUOR CONCERNS, I'M
FOR IT AND I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I HAVE PROBABLY THE MOST TO GAIN OR LOSE IF THINGS GO
SOUTH AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED, BECAUSE I AM THEIR
CLOSEST NEIGHBOR.
THEY HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT RESPONSIBLE.
AND I WANTED TO -- THE SIGN OUT FRONT AS IT RELATES TO
SOMETHING WITH CITY COUNCIL, AS I WALKED PAST THE HOUSE.
I READ IT.
I NOTICED THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
SO I MADE A POINT TO MAKE SURE I CAME TO HEAR WHAT THEY WERE
TALKING ABOUT.
AND I'M GLAD I DID, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
SO NOW IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
THEY HAVE TRANSFORMED THAT CORNER.
SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING A FORMER GAS STATION, OR YET ANOTHER
AUTO REPAIR SHOP, THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER ON FLORIBRASKA --
I'M SORRY, ON FLORIDA AVENUE, TO CHANGE THAT INTO A
NEIGHBORHOOD SPOT WHERE PEOPLE -- I CAN ATTEST THERE'S A TON
OF CARS IN THE PARKING LOT ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S A GREAT
VIBE TO BE ABLE TO GO ACROSS THE STREET AND ENJOY A GLASS OF
WINE OR A CRAFT BEER, AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A MIXED DRINK
THERE TOO AS WELL.
IF SOMEONE LOOKS ON PAPER AND SEES WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS, THIS
WAY, THERE'S ANOTHER STORE THAT HAS ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION
AVAILABLE TO BE TAKEN OFF-SITE, ONE MIGHT COME TO A
CONCLUSION THAT IS NOT REALLY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT ACTUALLY
GOES ON, AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE STORES AND KING'S
STATE, LIKE THEY SAID, I HAVE SEEN KIDS THERE, I HAVE SEEN
FAMILIES OR FRIENDS, HANG OUT AND ENJOYING THEMSELVES.
BUT THE VIBE OF THAT CROWD IS SO GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE YOURSELF TO GO, TAKE TIME AND
CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF AND I HOPE YOU GET AN IDEA WHY THEY
ARE ASKING FOR A WET ZONE THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
THESE GUYS DIDN'T NOTICE I WAS COMING TONIGHT.
I LITERALLY SAW THE SIGN, AND I HAPPENED TO HAVE THE NUMBER
OF TIM WHO IS ACROSS THE STREET, AND SAID, HEY, I HEARD THAT
YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A HEARING TONIGHT.
WHERE IS IT AGAIN?
WHAT TIME IS IT AGAIN?
AND THEN DECIDED TO POP BY SO YOU CAN HEAR FROM THE
COMMUNITY.
I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME --
[BELL SOUNDS]
21:14:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU HAVE 30 SECOND.
21:14:41 >> I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO THE COMMUNITY THE
FIRST NIGHT, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF IT AND
PROBABLY FIVE PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINST IT.
AND THE FEW THAT WERE AGAINST IT, IT WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY
DIDN'T KNOW.
THEY ALSO HADN'T BEEN TO ANOTHER LOCAL PLACE CALLED LEE'S
GROCERY WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF CENTRAL AND ASKED THEM, HAVE
YOU EVER BEEN THERE AND HAVE YOU EVER FELT THAT CROWD THAT
VIBE?
A BUNCH OF NICE PEOPLE HANGING OUT ENJOYING THEMSELVES AFTER
WORK.
I GO, KING STATE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME THING.
AND I KNEW THAT IN ADVANCE JUST BY WHAT THEY WERE TELLING
ME. [BELL SOUNDING]
ANYWAY, I HOPE IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION ...
21:15:19 >> THANKS FOR COMING BY.
21:15:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ALL RIGHT.
ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
21:15:31 >>THE CLERK:
NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
21:15:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND BY
MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION GRANTED.
MR. CARLSON, NUMBER 8?
21:15:42 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE AB 2-22-05,
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION MAKING
LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 520 EAST FLORIBRASKA AVENUE, TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3,
PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2018-48,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
21:16:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL.
21:16:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
21:16:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
21:16:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
21:16:30 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
21:16:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
21:16:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
21:16:38 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
21:16:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE NEED HIM UP ON THE VIDEO.
21:16:54 >>THE CLERK:
HE IS ON SCREEN.
21:16:57 >> HE IS ON SCREEN.
THERE WE GO.
THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE.
OKAY.
THERE'S A SCREEN THAT SHE HAS WITH THE MONITOR, WHAT GOES ON
ON THE VIDEO.
21:17:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
21:17:12 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, CASE AB 2-22-08, IS A REQUEST FOR A
SPECIAL USE 2 FOR LARGE VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES
CONSUMPTION AT 203 NORTH MERIDIAN AVENUE. CAN I PLEASE HAVE
CONTROL OF THE SCREEN?
21:17:37 >>THE CLERK:
YOU HAVE CONTROL, ZAIN.
21:17:40 >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN NOW?
WONDERFUL.
THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE IS DAVID SINGER AND COLIN
RICE.
NOW, THIS IS A PROPOSED AB SALES PERMIT.
AB 1-1934 FOR A RESTAURANT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.
SO THE ADDITION HERE IS ADDING -- ASKING FOR A LARGE VENUE,
AND ASKING FOR PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
NOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR AB SALES WILL NOT CHANGE.
THE SALES WILL STILL BE 3,806 SQUARE FEET INDOORS AND 1165
SQUARE FEET OUTDOORS FOR A TOTAL AB SALES AREA OF 4971
SQUARE FEET.
BEING IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT PARKING IS NOT REQUIRED.
SEALS OF HOURS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.
NO WAIVERS ARE BEING REQUESTED HERE, AND THERE ARE NO AB
SALES ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN 1250 FEET.
IF YOU SEE THE PARCEL HERE, YOU WILL SEE OUTLINED IN RED,
THE OVERALL STRUCTURE IS -- AND THE PERSON THAT'S ASKING FOR
THE AB SALES PERMIT IS LALA SANGRIA. NORTH MERIDIAN AVENUE.
IT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH TO THE WEST.
ALSO YOU WILL HAVE DOWNTOWN TO THE WEST.
THE CHANNEL DISTRICT NORTH AND SOUTH HERE TO THE EAST.
YOU WILL HAVE NORTH 11th STREET.
YOU WILL HAVE EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH.
YOU WILL HAVE SPARKMAN WHARF DOWN THERE TO THE SOUTH.
PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SITE.
I WILL SHOW YOU THIS.
ACCESS IS ON MERIDIAN AVENUE AND ALSO EAST WASHINGTON
STREET.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL RIGHT HERE.
ALREADY EXISTING.
THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
YOU SEE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
YOU HAVE A GOOD SHOT SANGRIA BAR RIGHT HERE.
AND THE SITE ALSO FROM THE STREET OF EAST WASHINGTON.
TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE YOU WILL HAVE THE SLATE, AND THEY
ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF BOUTIQUE RETAIL STORES.
AND THE WEST, YOU WILL SEE DOWNTOWN TAMPA, AND ALSO YOU WILL
SEE THE INTERSECTION OF MERIDIAN AN EAST WASHINGTON.
TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING AT THIS TIME,
AND ALSO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, WHICH RUNS INTO MORE
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES.
AB STRUCTURE DOWN THE STREET AND SPARKMAN WHARF DOWN ON THE
CHANNEL DISTRICT.
TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE YOU WILL SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY.
YOU HAVE A HIGH-RISE, AND ALSO RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY UP
AND DOWN SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE ON WASHINGTON.
THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FINDS THIS CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE CITY
OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
MINOR CORRECTIONS NEED ON THE ON THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST
SECOND READING AND STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS BEING DONE.
THANK YOU.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
21:21:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS FOR ZAIN?
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
21:21:23 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
COLIN RICE FOR THE APPLICANT, 101 EAST KENNEDY, SUITE 2800.
PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT BEING UDR SLADE LLC AS ZAIN
MENTIONED AS LALA SANGRIA, AND JOHN ENGLISH, THE OWNER OF
LALA SANGRIA. I WILL BE BRIEF TONIGHT. I KNOW WE ARE LAST
ON THE AGENDA.
I HAVE SOME SIMPLE VISUALS TO RUN THROUGH AND I WILL BE
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND AS ZAIN MENTIONED, FROM A
SPECIAL USE 2 FOR RESTAURANT LARGE VENUE BEER, WINE AND
LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES, PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES
CONSUMPTION, CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER AN S-1 ALCOHOL
PERMIT.
TO ORIENT YOU HERE IN CHANNELSIDE, MERIDIAN SEPARATED BY THE
MEDIAN, WE HAVE GOT CSX RAIL LINES ACROSS THE STREET, FROM
THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.
TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE VACANT COMMERCIAL.
TO THE EAST, THERE IS A SURFACE PARKING LOT HERE.
SO DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING BUT CURRENTLY KIND OF SITTING
RELATIVELY ISOLATED FROM THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
THIS IS FACING TO THE NORTHEAST ON WASHINGTON AND MERIDIAN.
A BUSY FLOOR PLAN HERE BUT TO SHOW YOU THE LAYOUT.
NOTHING IS CHANGING.
THIS IS IDENTICAL INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, AND -- IT REALLY HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM
WITH THIS SITE.
WE ARE COGNIZANT OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
ANY CHANGES THAT MIGHT COME, AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY
PROBLEMS DEALING WITH NOISE.
WE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SHOWS A STRUCTURE WITH A LARGE
MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX.
AGAIN, HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.
WE DON'T FORESEE IT BEING A PROBLEM.
THE OUTDOOR AREA FACE IT IS CXS RAIL LINES ACROSS THE WAY.
AND THIS AGAIN SHOWING INDOOR OUTDOOR OVERALL.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SLATE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.
A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT HERE, OUR CLIENT TOOK OVER THIS
SPACE AT THE VERY END OF 19, INTO 2020, 2021, SO HE HAS SEEN
THE INITIAL OPENING, ENTRY INTO THE WORLD, NEW REEMERGENCE,
AND THE BOTTOM LINE, AMENDED THE BUSINESS MODEL.
THE 51% FOOD SALES REQUIREMENT INHERENT WITH THE SPECIAL USE
1 RESTAURANT APPROVAL DIDN'T SEEM FEASIBLE FOR THE SITE FOR
THIS BUSINESS MODEL.
THAT'S REALLY WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.
WE ARE ON A PARALLEL TRACK WORKING WITH THE STATE, HAVE NO
ISSUES WITH THIS, AND REALLY THE IDEA IS TO BRING THIS INTO
COMPLIANCE TO WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED, WHAT THEY SEE
GOING FORWARD FOR THE BUSINESS.
FULL KITCHEN, FOOD AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES, STILL FUNCTIONING
AS A RESTAURANT.
IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
WE JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE HAD AND
GOING FORWARD.
WITH THE CORRECT DESIGNATION.
WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
21:25:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR COLIN?
ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
21:25:19 >>THE CLERK:
NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
21:25:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO?
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.
MOTION GRANTED TO CLOSE.
ALL RIGHT.
21:25:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
FIRST READING, CAN AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES LARGE VENUE
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES
CONSUMPTION, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES
REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON
THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 203 NORTH
MERIDIAN AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR
PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED REPEALING AB
1-19-34 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND WITH THE MINOR
CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THIS WAS FOUND CONSISTENT.
DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES.
21:26:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.
ROLL CALL.
21:26:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
21:26:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
21:26:24 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
21:26:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
21:26:36 >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
21:26:38 >>THE CLERK:
YES.
21:26:39 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
21:26:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
21:26:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
21:26:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
21:26:45 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 21st,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
21:26:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
MR. SHELBY.
21:26:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU HAD ASKED ME, COUNSEL, WHEN THE WORKSHOP WAS CANCELED
THIS MORNING, TO COME UP WITH OTHER DATES WITH THE
FACILITATOR.
HER BEST DATE WAS APRIL 19th, AND A COUPLE OF COUNCIL
MEMBERS WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THE FULL MEETING ON THE
19th.
SO, COUNCIL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU CAN, WE CAN WORK IT OUT
WITH THE FACILITATOR, FIND OUT WHEN THE DATES ARE AVAILABLE
SO WE CAN DO THAT WHEN NEW COUNCILMEMBER --
21:27:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN IS THE NEW --
21:27:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
APRIL 7th.
21:27:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN CALLING ABOUT THIS.
THE PUBLIC CALLED ME TODAY.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S SCHEDULED BUT WE HAVE TO GET A DATE TO GET
THIS DONE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING ABOUT IT, SO
COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST THEIR SCHEDULE SOMEHOW SO
WE CAN GET THIS DONE.
WE CAN'T KEEP PUTTING IT OFF AND OFF.
WE CAN PUT IT OFF TO 7 PEOPLE, BUT --
21:27:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I CAN AS SOON AS I CAN, AND AS A MATTER OF
FACT I AM GOING TO WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AND WITH
YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO MAKE SURE JUST HOLDING THE MEETING,
HOLDING THE ROOM IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, AND WE CAN
TAKE IT AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ON A TUESDAY.
I DO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU MAY WANTS TO CONSIDER.
MAY 10th IS A SPECIAL CALLED -- A MEETING THAT YOU SET
THE COMMENDATIONS.
YOU WILL BE HERE ON MAY 10th AND THE ONLY THING RIGHT
NOW ON MAY 10th IF YOU DON'T PUT ANY OTHER COMMENDATIONS
ON FOR MAY 10th, THE ONLY THING YOU WOULD HAVE ON MAY
10th, IF WE CAN GET IT IN APRIL THAT WOULD EVEN BE
BETTER BUT I KNOW YOU CAN START YOUR WORKSHOP AT 9:30, GO TO
BE 12:30 AND BE DONE WITH IT.
21:28:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE THIS GAP.
MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ARE HAVING A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP,
DISCUSSING THE CHARTER.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WILL STOP AT 12:00.
IF IT RUNS INTO THE AFTERNOON, WE FINISH.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT I WAS THINKING.
I DON'T THINK HAVING TWO HOURS --
21:29:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THREE HOURS?
21:29:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE.
21:29:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEN I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TALK WITH THE
FAB SILL TATE OR BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A 9 TO 12
WORKSHOP.
21:29:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD.
I THOUGHT IT WASN'T JUST A COUPLE OF HOURS BECAUSE WE HAD
THREE OR FOUR ISSUES, AND A COUPLE OF HOURS WILL TAKE THAT
UP REAL QUICK.
21:29:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON MAY
10th?
21:29:41 >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I, CHAIR?
21:29:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA?
21:29:45 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I AM LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR ON MAY 10th.
I HAVE GOT TO GET IT BACK UP.
I HAVE A MEDIATION WHERE I AM SERVING MEDIATOR AT 1:30 THAT
DAY IN LAKELAND WHICH WOULD NECESSITY MY LEAVING HERE, IN
THIS CASE ABOUT 12, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE THAT SET ASIDE
FOR THE COMMENDATION MEETING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I CANNOT
STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING SO I REQUEST IT BE DONE ANOTHER
DAY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
21:30:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN
RESOLVE THE FACILITATOR, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MAYBE
I MISUNDERSTOOD, WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE A MORNING WORKSHOP.
BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A NIGHT MEETING THAT NIGHT AS WELL.
21:30:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
IN A WORST-CASE SCENARIO WE CAN DO IT
WITHOUT A FACILITATOR BUT TO FIND A DATE.
WHAT ABOUT MAY 19th?
IT LOOKS LIKE WE ONLY HAVE ONE.
21:30:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY 19th, THAT'S ALSO LATE.
I WOULD RATHER DO IT EARLIER IF WE COULD.
MAY 19th IS A REGULAR SESSION.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE A FULL CONSENT DOCKET THE SECOND READING.
21:31:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
UNLESS WE SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT
THEN.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE IT OFFLINE?
21:31:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE CAN TAKE IT OFFLINE I WILL WORK WITH
THE CHAIR TO WORK THIS OUT AND THEN --
21:31:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD RATHER DO IT --
21:31:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE PUBLIC IS ASKING.
21:31:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE OTHER
COUNCILMEMBER, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW
COUNCILMEMBER THERE, BUT, I MEAN, I COULD BRING THIS BACK
AND WORK WITH YOU AND BRING THIS BACK FOR NEXT WEEK, OR DO
YOU WANT IT ON FOR THE 7th FOR THE NEW COUNCILMEMBER.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO CHOOSE A DATE BUT SEE IF WE CAN GET
IT.
21:31:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE KICKING, KICKING,
KICKING.
21:31:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I APOLOGIZE BUT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT
YOU ARE SAYING, I DO.
DO YOU WANT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE MAY -- I SEE THE APRIL
7th DISCUSSION STAFF REPORT UNDER STAFF REPORTS AS THE
LAST ITEM?
21:32:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APRIL 7th UNDER STAFF REPORT, LAST
ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
21:32:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TO SET THE DATE FOR THE CHARTER WORKSHOP?
21:32:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
21:32:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
IS THAT A MOTION ON THAT?
21:32:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
21:32:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MADE A MOTION.
SECOND?
SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
21:32:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
ALL RIGHT.
MR. VIERA?
21:32:30 >>LUIS VIERA:
NOTHING.
21:32:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHOA, AMAZING.
MR. CARLSON?
21:32:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE THREE THAT I KIND OF SKETCHED OUT,
AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE THESE, JUST TELL ME.
NUMBER ONE IS I SAW THAT STORY ABOUT THIS NEW PARK IN
CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THE CHAIR OF
THE CRA WAS NOT QUOTED IN THE STORIES.
AND ALTHOUGH THE CRA WAS MENTIONED, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A
CITY PROJECT INSTEAD OF A CRA PROJECT.
ALTHOUGH THIS MAY BE A CRA ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE CRA CHAIR TAKE THE LEAD IN MEDIA
ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARD BEING CITY PROJECTS FUNDED BY THE CRA.
21:33:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'LL SECOND IT.
21:33:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF THE MONEY
FROM CRA IS BEING USED TO ENHANCE A CITY FACILITY, THEN THE
CRA IS LEFT OUT, AND IT'S STILL CRA MONEY.
SO THE CRA, IF WE ARE GOING TO JUSTIFY TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE
NEED CRAs, WE NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THE CRA --
21:33:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT GOES BACK TO COMMUNICATION.
THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR HAS DONE TONS OF -- AND THIS COUNCIL HAS
NO ONE TO DEFEND THEM OR TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OR DO
ANYTHING OF THE KIND, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
SO WHEN THERE IS AN ISSUE LIKE THIS HERE, WE SHOULD HAVE A
PERSON THAT CAN BE CONTACTED.
I HAVE SAID THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
THE CITY IS GROWING AND SOMETHING FOR THIS COUNCIL TO THINK
ABOUT BECAUSE WITH ALL THE ISSUES GOING ON, THERE'S NO ONE
TO SPEAK FOR THIS COUNCIL.
THERE'S NO ONE.
AND I SAID IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
AND MOST CITIES, I HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH, THEY HAVE THEIR
OWN STAFF TO HANDLE BUSINESS.
21:34:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
IN THE MEANTIME I TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF
STAFF A COUPLE DAYS AGO AND HE COMMITTED TO TRY TO WORK WITH
THESE THINGS, NOT THIS SPECIFICALLY BUT JUST ON BETTER
COMMUNICATIONS.
21:35:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CARLSON.
21:35:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AS A CITY COUNCIL,
BUT THIS IS REALLY A -- IT'S NOT A CRA ISSUE.
21:35:14 >> YOU ARE SITTING AS CITY COUNCIL AND THE PROBLEM IS WHEN
THE CRA, IF WE ARE REQUESTED BY THE CRA IT HAS NO INFLUENCE
OVER THE CITY SO WE ARE ASKING THE CITY COMMUNICATION
DEPARTMENT TO INVITE THE CRA CHAIR.
I AM NOT GOING TO ASK THEM BUT I BET HE WASN'T INVITED.
SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE CITY WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY,
THE HEAD OF THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY WOULD BE INVITED.
WHY WASN'T THE CRA CHAIR INVITED?
21:35:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND --
21:35:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT THE CRA CHAIR TAKE THE LEAD IN
ANNOUNCING CRA PROJECTS FUND BY THE CRA.
21:35:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
MOTION GRANTED.
21:36:03 >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND ONE SIMILAR, AND AGAIN TELL ME IF
YOU ALL DON'T LIKE THIS, ANOTHER STORY TODAY, I HAVE TO READ
THIS TO YOU ALL.
I'M SORRY, IT'S LATE, BUT THIS IS REALLY BAD, THIS IS REALLY
BAD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IT TALKS ABOUT AN APPEAL, AND I WON'T DISCUSS THE APPEAL,
BUT IT SAYS THE APPEAL COMES AMID WIDESPREAD CRITICISM IN
THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WAS
HANDLING A DEVELOPMENT OATH VOTE OFTEN UNPREDICTABLE,
INVESTORS PURSUED CITIES WITH STABLE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.
THIS IS A POLITICAL ATTACK.
THEY DIDN'T QUOTE WHO SAID THIS.
SO I ASSUME THE REPORTER DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.
BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WE KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING
THIS.
AND IT IS A POLITICAL ATTACK AGAINST THIS CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT ABOUT
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AT
CRITICIZING US OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE
IMPLYING THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL IS GIVING THE DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNITY OF TAMPA A BAD U REPUTATION.
IT'S KNOW IT THIS CITY COUNCIL DOING IT.
IT'S THESE STORIES THAT DOING IT.
BUT THIS COMMENT ONLY APPEARS IN THE BUSINESS JOURNAL IN
THESE STORIES.
SO HOW IS IT THAT DEVELOPERS NATIONALLY WOULD THINK THAT
THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH DEVELOPMENT IN TAMPA, IS BECAUSE THEY
ARE READING THESE STORIES.
AND SO IN A NORMAL COMMUNICATION ENVIRONMENT, WE WOULD ASK
THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT TO GO TALK TO THEM AND SET THE
RECORD STRAIGHT, BECAUSE BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT WIDESPREAD
CRITICISM, IT'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE.
NUMBER TWO, IT'S KNOW IT TRUE BECAUSE WE APPROVE 98, 99%.
IN FACT WE ARE CRITICIZED FOR APPROVING TOO MANY.
AND WE DO HAVE STABLE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE ARE THOUGHTFUL.
AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSET AND IT'S NOT
RIGHT.
SO AGAIN TELL ME IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS, BUT I WOULD MAKE A
MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, CITY
ATTORNEY, DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND CLERK'S OFFICE MEET TO
REVIEW THE RECORD OF VOTES OF THIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PRESENT THAT RECORD TO THE REAL
ESTATE REPORTER AND EDITORS OF THE TAMPA BAY BUSINESS
JOURNAL TO CORRECT THE MISREPRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
MADE TO THEM REGARDING THIS COUNCIL'S SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT
AND TO PREVENT HARM TO OUR GREAT CITY'S NATIONAL REPUTATION
CAUSED BY THESE ARTICLES AND REPRESENTATIONS.
21:38:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT
WRITE GOOD OR BAD ABOUT ME --
21:38:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT MY POINT, I RESPECT FOUNTAIN YOU GUYS
DON'T THINK -- IN A NORMAL ORGANIZATION, THE COMMUNICATION
DEPARTMENT WOULD GO CORRECT THIS.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THESE COMMENTS ARE BEING ALLOWED TO
STAND BECAUSE THEY HURT CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS IT HURTS OUR CITY'S REPUTATION.
THERE ARE NATIONAL INVESTORS WHO READ THIS AND THINK THERE'S
A PROBLEM IN THE CITY AND I THINK WE NEED TO CORRECT IT AND
COMMUNICATION DEVELOPMENT.
SO MY REQUEST IS THEY CORRECT THE RECORD, NOT THAT THEY
CRITICIZE ANYBODY.
IT'S NOT CRITICIZING THE REPORTER OR THE EDITORS.
IT'S SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT BECAUSE ONLY A HAND FULL OF
PEOPLE ARE GIVING THEM THIS INFORMATION AND THEY NEED TO
CORRECT IT.
IS THERE A SECOND OR SHOULD WE LET IT DIE?
21:39:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE RIGHT, AND --
21:39:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY CAN, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS IF THEY
BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND CITY COUNCIL ARE NOT
ALIGNED, THEN IT'S EASY TO PICK AT CITY COUNCIL.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHO GETS HURT IN THE MEANTIME?
THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
OUR COMMUNITY'S REPUTATION IS HURT.
NOT US.
THEY CAN TAKE US OUT IF THEY WANT.
THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES OUT.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THE REPUTATION OF
OUR CITY.
AND THESE KIND OF MISREPRESENTATIONS ARE HURTING YOU.
THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT, CLAIMING THAT IT'S HURTING
THE REPUTATION OF OUR CITY, BUT THE WAY THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT AND MISREPRESENTING IS WHAT'S HURTING OUR CITY.
SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT.
THAT I WILL DROP THE MOTION.
BUT I WOULD JUST REQUEST BETWEEN THE CHIEF OF STAFF,
DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AND THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, PLEASE
PROTECT OUR CITY.
PLEASE PROTECT OUR CITY'S REPUTATION BUT THESE STATEMENTS
ARE NOT TRUE AND IT HURTS OUR CITY.
21:40:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION.
21:40:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND --
21:40:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I PROTECT MYSELF.
I TAKE CARE OF ME.
21:40:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO DEVELOPERS GOOGLE TAMPA DEVELOPMENT.
THESE STORIES ARE GOING TO POP UP.
AND THEY ARE GOING TO THINK THAT TAMPA IS NOT A GOOD PLACE
TO INVEST.
SO FOR GET HOW IT AFFECT US.
IT'S GOING TO HURT OUR CITY.
IT'S GOING TO HURT INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY.
THE LAST ONE IS, AGAIN, YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO
ACCEPT OR NOT.
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO JAMES SHAW WHO STUDIED OUR
CHARTER BACK, AND HE SAID IN CREATIVE LOAFING THAT OTHER
CITIES, ESPECIALLY SARASOTA, IS A CLOSE EXAMPLE, HAVE A
SPECIFIC ORDINANCE THAT PROTECTS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SUIT
UNDER CHAPTER 119.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SEE IF YOU GUYS ACCEPT THIS OR
NOT.
I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE CITY MAKE A MOTION REQUEST THAT THE
CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW THE SARASOTA ORDINANCE AND THOSE OF
OTHER CITIES IN CONSULTATION WITH JAMES SHAW TO CREATE AN
ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DEFEND
ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE CITY WHO ARE SUED UNDER CHAPTER
119.
21:41:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT PROTECTING ANYONE BUT MYSELF.
THE CITY BEARS A RESPONSIBILITY OF ALL OF US IF WE FOLLOW
THE GUIDANCE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND I AM NOT GOING TO GO OUT IF I NEED HELP WHEN I DON'T
NEED HELP. IF THEY TELL ME I HAVE GOT TO DO A CERTAIN THING
AND I DISREGARD IT, THEN I HAVE TO THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO
REPRESENT ME.
I DON'T THINK MY OWN ATTORNEY IS GOING TO REPRESENT ME.
IF I HAVE A DOCTOR, THEY GO NO, NO, NO, WHAT ARE THEY GOING
TO TELL ME?
AT THIS TIME SAME THING.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S THE SAME THING.
I DON'T NEED PROTECTION.
HE DON'T WANT PROTECTION.
I FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES WHETHER I AM HERE, I'M AT THE STATE
OR IN MY OWN.
I FOLLOW MY GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY.
END OF STORY WITH ME.
I'M NOT ASKING NOBODY.
AND IF THEY WANT TO COME AFTER ME, HERE I AM.
I DON'T HAVE TO HIDE.
21:42:48 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T
WANT TO PURCHASE THIS I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO, BUT IT
MAKES SENSE AND I THINK WOULD ALSO PROTECT THE MAYOR.
AND BY THE WAY, IF WE APPROVE THIS, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE
APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.
I MET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THE OTHER DAY AND THE QUESTION
I ASKED WHICH WASN'T ANSWERED, WHAT'S THE FINE LINE?
IF ANY ONE OF US ACCIDENTALLY DELETED ONE TEXT MESSAGE WE
ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE.
SO THEN IS THE CITY ATTORNEY NOT GOING TO PROTECT US?
WHERE IS THE FINE LINE?
IF YOU MEET WITH ONE LOBBYIST AND THE LOBBYIST DOESN'T
REGISTER, OR YOU COULD MAKE THE SMALLEST MISTAKE AND THEY
COULD SAY, OH, YOU BROKE THE RULES, THEN IT LOOKS ARBITRARY,
SO IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
I SPENT 10, 12,000-DOLLAR JUST RESPONDING TO A SUBPOENA AND
DIDN'T GET REIMBURSED.
SO IF ANY ONE OF COUNCILMAN CITRO GET SUED, AND NOT TALKING
ABOUT THE SUIT THAT JUST HAPPENED OR THE SITUATION HA THAT
HAPPENED BUT ANY ONE OF US COULD.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO PROTECTION.
21:43:57 >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I, MR. CHAIR?
21:44:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
21:44:05 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I WOULD WANT TO LOOK INTO THIS MORE BEFORE VOTING ON IT
MYSELF, BUT AT A LATER TIME WHEN I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE
ISSUE IN THAT LINE.
AGAIN, BEFORE GOING DOWN THIS STEP I WANT TO DO MORE
INVESTIGATION ON THIS ISSUE.
21:44:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT BE DONE, MR.
VIERA?
HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT BE DONE, SIR?
21:44:32 >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST INDIVIDUALLY, ON MY OWN, ON MY OWN.
IN OTHER WORDS, BEFORE VOTING ON THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO
CONSULT WITH PEOPLE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I DON'T WANT TO START SOMETHING GOING THAT MAY BE
UNNECESSARY, OR THAT MAY BE NECESSARY, AND VOTE AGAINST IT.
21:44:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL BE HAPPY TO WITHDRAW
IT AND SEND IT AS AN E-MAIL.
21:44:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK WE HAVE GOT A CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY AND THAT'S HIS JOB TO LOOK INTO THOSE ISSUES TO
GIVE THIS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ON IT.
INDIVIDUALLY, THAT'S HIS JOB TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHERS ARE
DOING, OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
THAT'S MY OPINION.
BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH MR. SHELBY LOOKING INTO IT.
IF YOU WANT INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION, YOU CAN DO IT.
BUT I THINK --
21:45:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WITH
THE APPROVAL OF COUNCIL, WHAT I WILL DO IS REACH OUT TO THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECTION OF THE FLORIDA BAR AND JUST POSE
THE QUESTION TO SEE WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE DOING.
TO SEE WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE I GET.
21:45:42 >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW ABOUT IF I PUT ON THE AGENDA, CAN YOU
DO IT BY NEXT WEEK?
21:45:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NEXT WEEK?
21:45:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APRIL 7th IS THE NEXT.
21:45:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY TO COME BACK TO US APRIL 7th TO GIVE US HIS
ADVICE ON WHETHER WE SHOULD --
21:46:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, ALSO TO FOLLOW UP, I
HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH WITH REGARD TO INSURANCE CARRIERS
THAT DO THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IN THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AS OPPOSED
TO A CITY MANAGER, I HAVE ONLY BEGUN THAT DISCUSSION, BUT IF
THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WISHES, THAT WILL BE FINE.
I CAN DO IT INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU LIKE.
BUT I AM GOING TO PUT OUT THAT WORD AND SEE WHAT KIND OF
RESPONSE I GET FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECTION.
21:46:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY OPINION, I THINK YOU ARE THE CITY
COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
YOU SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, RIGHT,
WRONG, INDIFFERENT, THINGS HAPPEN.
SO LOOK INTO AND BRING BACK INFORMATION, THERE'S NOTHING
WRONG WITH GIVING US INFORMATION.
21:46:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOME TIME AGO,
ACTUALLY, I REACHED OUT TO THE RISK MANAGER FOR THE CITY
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS INSURANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE PROCESSED
THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION, OR I ASSUME WOULD HAVE TO BE
BUDGED, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IF IT WERE AVAILABLE.
SO WHEN I DID SEND THE E-MAIL TO THE RISK MANAGER, I GOT THE
RESPONSE FROM MS. GRIMES WITH THE INFORMATION, BUT IT REALLY
DIDN'T GO MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO --
21:47:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET A COPY OF THE
POLICY BECAUSE THE POLICY UP TO 3500 THAT YOU SHOULD BE THE
SAME THING APPLICABLE LESS THAN 500 THAT YOU.
BUT CAN I PASS A SIMPLE MOTION TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY,
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, TO REPRESENT BACK TO US ON APRIL
7th ABOUT HIS ADVICE REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD
PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT CITY COUNCIL UNDER CHAPTER
119?
21:47:47 >> SECOND.
21:47:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND I HAVE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY IN SARASOTA, BECAUSE I WAS AWARE OF THAT AS WELL,
WITH REGARD TO SOME SORT OF ORDINANCE.
OR AT LEAST THE DISCUSSION.
21:47:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MOTION GRANTED.
NOTHING WRONG WITH DISCUSSION.
JUST GIVE US INFORMATION.
21:48:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY WE CAN'T --
21:48:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JUST ASKING FOR A SOLUTION, THAT'S ALL.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
21:48:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
21:48:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT
A COMMENDATION TO ALTAFHUSEN BUKHARI. HE'S A VERY CAPABLE
PE ENGINEER III WHO OFFICIALLY RETIRED FROM THE CITY OF
TAMPA MOBILITY DEPARTMENT ON MARCH 1st, 2022, MR.
BUKHARI IS BEING HONORED FOR HIS OUTSTANDING, AND HIS
ABILITY TO ENSURE TAMPA'S MOVABLE BRIDGES, SEAWALLS AND
ROADWAYS ARE SAFE, BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR 36 YEARS AND I
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS COMMENDATION ON TUESDAY, APRIL 12TH,
2022.
21:49:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
MOTION GRANTED.
21:49:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM NUMBER 2, A MOTION FOR
COMMENDATION, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A
COMMENDATION RECOGNIZING APRIL AS THE NATIONAL MINORITY
CANCER AWARENESS MONTH, AND THE GEORGE EDGECOMB SOCIETY AT
MOFFITT CANCER CENTER HOSTING ITS SECOND ANNUAL VIRTUAL
EVENT ON APRIL 28, 2022.
THAT WILL HELP IN RESEARCH.
21:49:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.
MOTION GRANTED.
21:49:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT
A COMMENDATION TO RYAN MANASSE WHO WILL BE LEAVING THE CITY
LATER THIS MONTH TO WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
RYAN WAS TAUGHT BY THE BEST, IN MY OPINION, GLORIA MOREDA,
AND HE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.
WE WILL MISS HIM.
I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION TO RYAN MANASSE ON
TUESDAY, APRIL 12TH, 2022.
21:50:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WOW.
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION GRANTED.
21:50:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING, SIR?
21:50:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
COMMENDATION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE TAMPA ALUMNAE
DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INCORPORATED, IN CELEBRATION OF
THEIR CHANPTER'S 75TH ANNIVERSARY AT THEIR EVENT ON APRIL
9th, 2022.
21:50:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN GUDES, SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
21:50:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION, OR REGIONAL
HERE, THE NATIONAL PRESIDENT.
SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THE
ADMINISTRATION LOOK INTO AN HONORARY RENAMING OF GOVERNOR
STREET THAT RUNS IN FRONT OF ST. PETER CLAVER CATHOLIC
SCHOOL TO YVONNE D. FORT STREET IN HONOR OF YVONNE D. FORT
FOR HER 32 YEARS OF DEDICATION AND SERVICE AS A TEACHER THAT
TAUGHT SOME OF TAMPA'S BRIGHTEST STUDENTS IN THE AREA.
A REPORT BE BROUGH BEFORE COUNCIL ON MAY 5, 2022 UNDER STAFF
REPORTS.
21:51:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY CHAIRMAN GUDES.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
21:51:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
21:51:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE STAND ADJOURNED.
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