TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

THURSDAY, MARCH 17, 2022

9:00 A.M.



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09:05:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW COME

TO ORDER.

MARCH 17, 2022.

WHO HAS THE INVOCATION THIS MORNING?

09:05:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DO, SIR.

INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEONE GIVE THE INVOCATION THIS

MORNING.

THE FIRST DAY BACK IN PERSON IN CHAMBERS.

WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE

ESPECIALLY FOR THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE.

I KNOW WE HAVE ALL BEEN FOLLOWING THIS.

I DIDN'T WEAR GREEN TODAY, BUT I WORE MY TIE, WHICH IS

BLUE AND YELLOW, TO SIGNIFY THE COLORS OF THEIR FLAG.

I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH, AND I KNOW

THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING AND FOR THAT I ASK FOR A

MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

09:06:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ROLL CALL.

09:06:29 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.

09:06:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.

09:06:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.

09:06:33 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.

09:06:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.

09:06:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.

09:06:38 >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

09:06:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, DEPUTY CLERK.

MR. SHELBY.

09:06:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY.

A VIEW I HAVE NOT SEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME FROM THIS

ANGLE.

WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC, AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID.

THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING IN TWO YEARS THAT THE PUBLIC

IS BACK IN CITY COUNCIL'S CHAMBERS.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO STATE IS THAT THE PUBLIC AND THE

CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW

THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640, FRONTIER CHANNEL

15, AND ON THE WEB AT TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.

NOW. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN ATTEND IN PERSON IN CITY

COUNCIL CHAMBERS IN OLD CITY HALL OR PURSUANT TO

COUNCIL'S MOTION, PARTICIPATE IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING

BY USING WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS FLORIDA STATUTES

AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY, THE SAME TECHNOLOGY

FOR VIRTUAL AND HYBRID MEETINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS

BEEN USING SINCE THE PANDEMIC STARTED.

NOW THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE TO SPEAK REMOTELY DURING

PUBLIC COMMENT WITH THE USE OF CMT, PREREGISTRATION IS

REQUIRED, AND THOSE INSTRUCTIONS ARE NOTICED IN THE

NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING, ALSO WITHIN THE AGENDA,

AND ON CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT

TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.

TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY IN TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARINGS

USING CMT, PREREGISTRATION WAS ALSO REQUIRED TOO.

AND THAT IS AVAILABLE -- THE INSTRUCTIONS AGAIN ARE

AVAILABLE IN THE NOTICE AND IN THE AGENDA AND ON THE

CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE.

NOW PLEASE NOTE THAT IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN QUASI

JUDICIAL MATTERS VIA CMT.

SMARTPHONES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE

ACCESS TO VIDEO AND AUDIO WHICH IS REQUIRED.

THAT BEING SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL ASK CITY COUNCIL

TO WAIVE THE RULES TO ALLOW THE CONTINUED USE OF CMT.

09:08:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO ADOPT.

09:08:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE.

09:08:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.

09:08:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR.

ANY OPPOSED.

MOTION GRANTED.

09:08:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, SIR.

09:08:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, TOUGH AGENDA ITEMS.

MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, YOU WILL PUT EVERYBODY ON A TIMER,

INCLUDING CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.

WE HAVE A LIST AND WE WILL GET RIGHT TO IT.

MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE TO SPEAK.

I WILL CALL IT OUT BY NUMBER.

THOSE PEOPLE WILL COME UP AND SPEAK AT THAT TIME, MR.

SHELBY.

09:09:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.

09:09:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:09:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE TALKING THE APPROVAL OF THE

AGENDA.

09:09:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOUSEKEEPING AND APPROVAL OF THE

AGENDA.

09:09:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT I AM SUGGESTING, COUNCIL,

THAT PART OF THE HOUSEKEEPING OF THE AGENDA.

IF YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT.

09:09:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AS YOU WISH, SIR.

AS YOU WISH.

LET'S LOOK AT THE AGENDA.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

09:09:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY QUICKLY IT IS OBVIOUS --

WE ARE MISSING ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES TODAY, AND I WILL SAY I

PERSONALLY WISH JOHN DINGFELDER AND HIS WIFE WELL AND

HOPE THEIR NIGHTMARE ENDS SOON.

09:09:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE LOST A TRUE FRIEND UP HERE.

TRUE FRIEND OF THE PEOPLE.

AGENDA.

MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.

09:09:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.

DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS ANY CHANGES, ADDITIONS,

DELETIONS, APPROVAL TO THE AGENDA?

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR HOUSEKEEPING.

NOW IS THE TIME.

09:10:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE GOING TO -- A WALK-ON FOR THIS

AFTERNOON, CORRECT, SIR, MADAM CLERK?

09:10:14 >>CLERK:
THAT IS CORRECT.

TWO WALK-ONS.

THEY ARE ON THE ADDENDUM.

09:10:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE FIRST WALK-ON IS THE MEMORANDUM

TRANSMITTING CITY COUNCIL'S APPOINTMENT POLICY AND

PROCEDURE GUIDELINES FOR CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION

AND APPROVAL OF THE VACANCY THAT EXIST ON CITY COUNCIL.

DID YOU WANT TOO TAKE THAT UP AT THE END OF THE

MEETING?

09:10:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
END OF THE MEETING.

OUR BUSINESS.

THE END OF THE MEETING.

09:10:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.

TAKEN UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TRANSMITTED A RESOLUTION THAT HE

MADE A MOTION ON IN THE PAST.

I CAN HAVE THAT COPIED AND DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL AND

TAKE THAT UP LATER, MR. MIRANDA.

09:10:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.

09:10:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALSO. YOU HAD MADE COMMENT, AGAIN,

WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND THE MOVING -- WAS THERE A DISCUSSION -- I AM SORRY,

ITEM 26.

09:11:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, I PULLED THAT ITEM.

I AM LOOKING AT HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS FOR THE

POLICE CHIEF NOMINEE.

WE WILL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 1, WHICH WILL BE NOW NUMBER

3 NOW.

MR. VIERA, I THINK HE IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO

SCRATCH NUMBER 2.

MOVE NUMBER 3 UP TO NUMBER 1.

AND THEN GO TO THE POLICE CHIEF.

AND AS WE HEAR THE POLICE CHIEF, WE WILL THEN TAKE

PUBLIC COMMENT.

DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, I HAVE A LIST THAT KEEPS COMING

THAT I WILL GO DOWN THE LIST ONE THROUGH WHATEVER UNTIL WE

STOP.

AFTER THAT, WE WILL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 26 OR ANY

RECOMMENDATIONS RELATING TO THE POLICE CHIEF.

09:11:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED "THE RULES

OF PROCEDURE," AND I AM NOT QUESTIONING ANYTHING YOU

SAID, BUT I WISH THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL LOOK --

THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT RULES AND

PROCEDURES TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN CORRECT ORDER.

09:11:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AS YOU WISH, SIR.

09:12:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT.

09:12:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK IT WAS SUBMITTED IN 2019.

09:12:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE RULES --

09:12:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
-- OF PROCEDURE.

09:12:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH REGARDS TO --

09:12:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE PROCESS WE ARE GOING THROUGH

TODAY.

PROCESS.

09:12:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE SECTION OF

THE CHART?

09:12:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, REFERRING TO JUST THE RULES.

THE LITTLE THING HERE.

09:12:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

09:12:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW WHATEVER RULES WE

MADE -- ADOPTED BACK MARCH 21, 2019, SIR.

09:12:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS BASED ON MY ANALYSIS, I BELIEVE

YOU ARE.

AND ALSO MISS ZELMAN AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO

DISCUSS AT LEAST THE PROCEDURES WITH REGARD TO ITEM 26.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SIR.

PLEASE DO RAISE THEM.

09:12:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I FOUND THIS

LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ELSE FOR CHARLIE CRIST AND FELL

OUT OF THIS THING I HAVE IN MY POCKET HERE.

AND I JUST READ IT LAST NIGHT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS FOLLOWED.

I AM NOT QUESTIONING ANYTHING.

09:13:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. MIRANDA RAISES AN EXCELLENT

POINT.

ANY TIME WITH A QUESTION OF THE PROCEDURE, CORRECT

PROCESS UNDER ROBERTS RULE OF ORDER IS TO MAKE A POINT

OF ORDER AND PRESENT THAT TO THE CHAIR.

AND WE CAN RESOLVE THE ISSUE.

09:13:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON

MOVING 26 UP?

09:13:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL,

THE TIME TO DO THAT IS DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE

AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM.

SO IF THERE IS ANY OBJECTION TO THAT, THE TIME TO RAISE

THAT BY COUNCIL IS NOW.

09:13:44 >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I SIR?

09:13:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:13:47 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHAT WE ARE DOING

HERE.

ARE WE LOOKING TO HAVING THE PRESENTATION DONE FIRST,

THEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN COUNCIL COMMENTS.

IS THAT WHAT WE ARE VOTING FOR?

09:13:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
26 WILL BE PULLED TO VOTE ON 26.

09:14:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE AGAIN, I AM NOT QUESTIONING

ONE -- ESPECIALLY THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY ON THE

RULES OF PROCEDURES THAT SAYS THE PUBLIC SPEAKS FIRST

AND THEN WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

09:14:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES --

09:14:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
UNDER -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND

IT.

09:14:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MEAN, I WAS TRYING TO DO IT THE

EASY WAY, BUT IF YOU PREFER --

09:14:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT QUESTIONING.

09:14:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT TO GET SOME KIND OF ORDER.

09:14:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOU AT ALL,

SIR.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF

EVERYTHING -- UNDER RULE 3 -- UNDER RULE 3-B-2.

09:14:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
3-B-2.

THE ORDER OF BUSINESS, APPROVAL AND PUBLIC COMMENT,

CEREMONIAL AND WE CAN ASK -- CEREMONIAL ITEMS ARE

NORMALLY PLACED ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS TRADITIONALLY

BEEN THAT.

IT IS NOT IN YOUR -- THESE FRULS 2019, BUT HISTORICALLY

IT HAS BEEN UNDER THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

IF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS TO HEAR THE PUBLIC FIRST, THEN

YOU CAN MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT UP TO ABOVE THE

CEREMONIALS, BUT CUSTOMARILY THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE.

I SHOULD POINT OUT, COUNCIL, WHAT --

09:15:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOT MY PLEASURE, IT IS WHATEVER THE

RULES SAY.

09:15:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I UNDERSTAND, SIR.

CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AND OR PRESENTATIONS ARE NOT ON

THE FOLLOWING ORDER OF THE TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS.

IT IS PLACED FIRST ON THE AGENDA.

THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON ITEMS 1, 2 OR 3.

AND PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES, THAT BEFORE A VOTE CAN

BE TAKEN, THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

SPEAK.

BEFORE THE COUNCIL TAKES FINAL ACTION ON SOMETHING.

SO THAT IS A RULE FROM.

I FORGOT THE YEAR BUT TOWARD THE END OF THE LAST DECADE

AN ADJUSTMENT OF THE COUNCIL'S RULES SECTION AND CHAPTER

286 TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO

SPEAK BEFORE A VOTE IS TAKEN, AND THIS IS WHY

HISTORICALLY WE TAKE NO ACTION ON CEREMONIAL ACTIONS

UNTIL THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THEM YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE ORDER

OF THE AGENDA.

09:16:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:16:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CEREMONIAL VERSUS

PUBLIC COMMENT OR TALKING OF THE ORDER OF THE POLICE

CHIEF NOMINEE SPEAKING BEFORE.

09:16:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CARLSON, THE ONLY THING I AM

TELLING YOU THIS CAME INTO MY HANDS FROM MY OWN HOUSE

THAT DIDN'T KNOW I HAD, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

UNDER THESE RULES THAT WERE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION 246

FROM 2019, IT SAYS THE MEETINGS, RULE 3 AND GOES TO

B-2, THE FOLLOWING ORDER SHOULD BE CONCERNED IN A

TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS IN A REGULAR MEETING,

INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WAS DONE.

ROLL CALL AND THE MINUTES WERE DONE.

APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR MATTERS OTHER THAN PUBLIC HEARING.

THEN REQUEST FOR THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION AND

GOES ON AND ON.

ALL I AM SAYING I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES IN CASE

ANYONE IS DISSATISFIED, WE CAN ADDRESS IT WITH THE

RULE.

09:17:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE DISSATISFIED AND GO THE WAY IT

GOES.

I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE DISSATISFIED, BUT I AM TRYING

TO MAKE IT EASIER TO HAVE, NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC, AND

VOTE AND FOLLOW THE WAY WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT.

WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN?

09:17:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOT MINE.

I WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF PROCEDURES.

09:17:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA.

09:17:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.

IF I MAY, UNIQUE PART OF THE PRESENTATION OF NUMBER ONE

IS RELATED TO A VOTE ON 26.

SO THERE IS AN ARGUMENT THEY SHOULD GO TOGETHER.

ANOTHER ISSUE MAY VERY WELL BE THE PRESENTATION MAY

TAKE LONGER, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT BY MAKING IT

LONGER THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT TO GET --

OR MOVE BEFORE THE VOTE ULTIMATELY.

JUST ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

AGAIN, VOTE ON IT AND SEE IF IT MOVES FORWARD.

09:18:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I ALWAYS WOULD WANT PUBLIC COMMENT

FIRST.

09:18:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY?

09:18:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT WE WILL DO, GENTLEMEN?

CONTINUE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

GO AS THE AGENDA IS WRITTEN.

IT IS EASIER FOR ME.

09:18:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CLARIFICATION.

SO IS IT THE CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES WILL THEN MOVE TO

AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT, IS THAT CORRECT?

09:18:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, WE WILL GO BY THE AGENDA SINCE

PEOPLE SAID WE WILL GO BY THE AGENDA AND TAKE PUBLIC

COMMENT.

SO, I WAS TRYING MAKE IT A LITTLE SIMPLIFIED.

BUT MAKING SURE THE RULES ARE IN PLACE AND GO AHEAD AND

DO CEREMONIALS, NUMBER ONE WITH MISS O'CONNOR.

AND MR. VIERA, WHATEVER SCRATCH HE HAS AND THEN NUMBER

3, SIR.

09:19:10 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

09:19:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

09:19:16 >>LUIS VIERA:
I TOLD THE GENTLEMAN FROM NUMBER 3 THAT

HE COULD BE NUMBER 1, VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA,

EIGHT MINUTES.

AGAIN, I LEAVE IT TO YOU, SIR.

09:19:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.

I AM GOING TO MAKE A DECISION.

POINT-BLANK.

NUMBER 3.

ANY OBJECTION OF MOVING NUMBER 3 TO NUMBER 1.

09:19:39 >> SAY THAT AGAIN?

09:19:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 3 TO NUMBER 1.

MR. VIERA, YOU WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCRATCH NUMBER 2.

09:19:46 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.

I MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE ABE BROWN MINISTRIES

RETURNING CITIZENS ORDINANCE BE REMOVED UNTIL APRIL 21,

2022.

BOTH THE PRESENTATION OF THE RETURNING CITIZENS AND THE

ORDINANCE, IF I MAY.

09:20:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR.

OPPOSED.

MOTION GRANTED.

AND TWO WAS TAKEN CARE OF.

THREE WILL GO TO NUMBER ONE AND ONE WILL GO TO NUMBER

THREE.

09:20:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO THE PUBLIC IS CLEAR, YOU MENTIONED

ITEM 26.

WHEN DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP?

09:20:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT UP AFTER

PUBLIC COMMENT.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT, GENTLEMEN?

ANY OBJECTIONS?

26 WAS PULLED WILL BE TAKEN UP AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT,

SIR.

09:20:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDERSTOOD.

I WANT TO REFER TO THE COUNCIL'S RULES, RULE 4-K.

RULE 4-K THAT THE CHAIR SHOULD DECIDE ALL QUESTIONS OF

PROCEDURE AND ORDER AND THE DECISION SHALL STAND UNLESS

REVERSED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

09:20:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY FOR THE

CLARIFICATION.

09:20:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH RESULT OF THAT, ANYTHING ELSE ON

THE AGENDA THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.

09:20:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

09:20:56 >>BILL CARLSON:
ITEM NUMBER 28.

09:20:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
20?

09:20:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
28.

I WANT TO PULL IT FOR A SEPARATE VOTE.

09:21:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO HAS SECONDED THAT.

OPPOSED, MOTION GRANTED.

28 HAD GO --

09:21:11 >>BILL CARLSON:
29 I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, AND WE

DON'T NEED TO PULL IT.

46 I WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR A SEPARATE VOTE ALSO,

PLEASE.

09:21:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
46, SEPARATE VOTE.

09:21:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANY OTHER CHANGES, DELETIONS,

COUNCIL?

AS AMENDED.

09:21:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE IT AS AMENDED.

09:21:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO HAS MOVED IT.

SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

ALL IN FAVOR.

OPPOSED.

MOTION GRANTED.

WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS, GENTLEMEN.

MR. VIERA, YOU ARE UP, SIR.

09:21:46 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

IT IS VERY GLAD TO BE BACK AND SEE EVERYBODY TODAY.

A MOVIE BY THE VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA.

GO AHEAD.

09:26:06 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

I HAVE WITH ME HERE FOR A VERY BRIEF DISCUSSION HERE

TODAY ABOUT TWO MINUTES OR SO BECAUSE I KNOW OUR TIME

IS PRESSED TODAY.

COLONEL RON ROOK WHO IS HERE, THE WONDERFUL GENTLEMAN

OVER THERE ON THAT MOTORCYCLE.

WE HAVE AVI ZAMICHAS AND MICHAEL DELL, FORMER PRESIDENT

OF VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA.

JIM FLETCHER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AND HAD A BROKEN

CAR.

GOD BLESS HIM.

GOLD STAR SISTER WHOSE BROTHER WAS UP IN THAT VIDEO

PAULA RODRIGUEZ, VICKY CARTER, AND OTHERS HERE

IN SUPPORT, AND I WANTED COLONEL ROOK TO COME UP AND

TALK ABOUT AN EVENT THAT HOPE EVERYBODY IN THE

COMMUNION TO COME AND START THE VIETNAM VETERANS OF

ERICA.

09:26:59 >> YES, SATURDAY 26TH OF MARCH AT 9:
00, THE VIETNAM

VETERANS OF AMERICA ARE PRESENTING A MEMORIAL TO THAT

PARK, VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

AT 10:00, WE ARE DOING OUR ANNUAL WELCOME HOME VIETNAM

VETERANS CELEBRATION.

SO, PLEASE PASS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW WHO

ARE VIETNAM VETERANS, AND YOU COME OUT BECAUSE AS YOU

KNOW, WE WERE NOT WELCOMED BACK HOME WHEN WE CAME BACK

FROM VIETNAM.

SO COME OUT AND WELCOME US NOW.

09:27:41 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.

IF YOU MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF IT DOESN'T BREAK THE

QUORUM, LET'S GIVE OUR VIETNAM VETERANS A HAND.

[APPLAUSE]

THANK YOU.

09:28:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

09:28:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO, FIRST OF ALL, THANK

COUNCILMEMBER VIERA FOR BRINGING YOU HERE.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE AND THE

VIETNAM VETERANS FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I GREW UP IN THE VIETNAM WAR WATCHING ON TV, AND I CAN'T

IMAGINE WHAT YOU ALL WENT THROUGH AND I THANK YOU SO

MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I -- SOME FOLKS KNOW I LIVED IN SINGAPORE FIVE YEARS,

WHATEVER FEEDBACK YOU GOT, SINGAPORE THEY VERY MUCH

APPRECIATED YOU ALL.

IF YOU HAD NOT STOPPED WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN VIETNAM,

IT WOULD HAVE GONE TO MALAYSIA AND SINGAPORE.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.

09:28:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

09:28:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WELCOME HOME.

I HAVE A DEEP RESPECT FOR VIETNAM VETERANS, FOR THE

SACRIFICE YOU MADE FOR THIS COUNTRY WHETHER YOU WERE

DRAFTED OR SIGNED UP.

YOU ARE HEROES.

AND I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT.

I HAD THE HONOR OF MEETING SO MANY VIETNAM VETERANS

OVER THE YEARS.

TWO YEARS AGO, I WAS WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA AND HAD THE

HONOR OF SITTING NEXT TO ROGER DONLON AND HIS WIFE AND

THE FIRST MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT FROM 1964 AND '65.

AND IN A ROOM WITH SO MANY HEROES.

WHENEVER I GO TO WASHINGTON D.C. I MAKE A POINT TO

VISIT THE WALL.

IT IS ESPECIALLY POWERFUL AT NIGHT.

I LEFT MY HOTEL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO GO LOOK

AT THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL AND I WALKED TO THE WALL.

SEEING THOSE NAMES, 58,000-PLUS NAMES AND SO MANY THAT

CAME FROM THIS AREA.

FOR THOSE WHO KNOW ME, MY FRIENDS AND WHATNOT, I LIKE

TO VISIT CEMETERIES ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE CITY OF

TAMPA WHERE MY GRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED.

THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY VIETNAM VETERAN SOLDIERS THOSE

WHO DIED AT 18, 19, 20 YEARS OLD.

I MAKE A POINT TO LEAVE A FLAG AT THEIR GRAVE SITE TO

LET THEM KNOW THEY ARE NOT ONLY APPRECIATED BY FAMILY

AND FRIENDS BUT THE NEW GENERATION, PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T

KNOW THEM, AND KNOW THAT THEY WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.

THANK YOU, AND AN HONOR YOU ARE HERE WITH US TODAY.

09:30:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.

09:30:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF OUR MILITARY FORCE WHO

SERVED IN THE USELESS WAR.

BECAUSE OF YOUR BRAVERY AND OTHERS LIKE YOU THAT KNEW

THE DUTY THEY HAD TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY, I

SAY THANK YOU FOR MY FREEDOMS.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

09:30:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR.

09:30:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FIRST OF ALL, MY APOLOGIES THAT I

CANNOT BE THERE SATURDAY AT 9:00.

I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT WITH A THING CALLED J-O-B, JOB.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU LOOK BACK AT HISTORY AND REALIZE THAT DEMOCRACY IS

NOT FREE.

JUST COMPARE WHAT WE HERE IN AMERICA HAVE AND COMPARE

IT WITH ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

WE TAKE A LOT OF THINGS FOR GRANTED, BUT WE FORGET THE

PRICE WE PAID FOR HAVING THAT RIGHT TO SPEAK, TO HAVE A

DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT RIGHT NOW WHEN SOMEBODY IN THE NEWS

MEDIA AND ANOTHER COUNTRY PUTS UP A SIGN AND GETS

HAULED YOU OFF TO JAIL.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE THAT OFTEN, IF NOT AT ALL.

IT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING.

THANK YOU FOR THE SACRIFICES THAT YOUR GENERATION MADE.

IT IS NOT ONLY THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES, BUT THE

LIVES THAT WERE HOME THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LIFE TO

LIVE WITHOUT THOSE MEN AND WOMEN WHO PERISHED.

THOSE ARE THE CONSOLING FACTOR OF DEMOCRACY.

IT IS NOT FREE.

IT IS VERY COSTLY.

I NEVER FORGET I WAS IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY NOT TOO LONG

AGO FIVE YEARS AGO.

I WAS IN A CAB.

AND A MAN ASKED ME HOW IS AMERICA.

I SAID WE ARE GOING THROUGH A LITTLE BUMP IN THE ROAD.

HE SAID YOUR HUMP IN THE ROAD WILL GET BETTER, BUT THE

HUMP THAT IS HERE WILL GET WORSE.

THOSE WORDS WERE JUST CHILLING TO ME AND I WANT TO

THANK YOU EACH AND OVER ONE OF YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE

DONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:32:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, GENTLEMEN, WE THANK YOU FOR

YOUR SERVICE, OF COURSE.

AS YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO, I SEE GENTLEMEN -- TWO OR

THREE THINK THAT KNOW PERSONALLY.

MR. VIERA, WE ALSO ARE DELIGHTED WHEN YOU BRING

HISTORICAL DATA AND INFORMATION TO IN COUNCIL.

I AM GLAD YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THIS WITH OUR NEW TIME

SLOTS, THIS WAS VALUABLE TO SEE AND WATCH THESE

GENTLEMEN AND JUST TO BE ABLE TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW

THAT WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE,

GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE FOR THIS COUNTRY.

GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.

09:32:49 >> THANK YOU.

09:32:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.

09:32:52 >> I WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT VIETNAM VETERANS

ARE DYING AT THE RATE OF 600 A DAY.

AND ALSO, SOME OF THOSE VETERANS FROM VIETNAM THAT WERE

IN THAT FILM HAVE DIED OF AGENT ORANGE.

THANK YOU.

09:33:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU, MR. VIERA.

09:33:11 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

09:33:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA IS WALKING OUT TO TAKE HIS

PHOTO SHOT AND WILL BE BACK SHORTLY.

FOLLOWING THE AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 2 WAS REMOVED.

WE HEARD FROM ITEM NUMBER 3.

NOW WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 1.

MR. BENNETT?

09:33:41 >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.

GOOD MORNING TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO NICE TO SEE US BACK IN CHAMBERS WITH FRIENDS AND

COLLEAGUES THAT SERVED IN FIRST RESPONDER ROLES AND

PEOPLE HERE CELEBRATING THEIR BIRTHDAY.

WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT.

CHAIRMAN, IF IT IS THE WILL AND THE PLEASURE OF

COUNCIL, WE ARE WILLING TO DEFER TO PUBLIC COMMENT

UNTIL ITEM 26.

AND THEN THAT WAY WE DON'T TIE UP TIME WITH TWO

PRESENTATIONS, ONE FOR THAT AND ONE FOR 26.

IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.

09:34:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.

09:34:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.

09:34:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

OPPOSED.

MOTION GRANTED.

WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

09:34:24 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU, SIR.

09:34:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER ONE.

WE HAVE A LIST HERE OF NUMBERED FOLKS TO SPEAK -- I AM

SORRY, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK WANTS TO GO TO VIRTUAL FIRST.

WE WILL GO TO VIRTUAL CLERK.

THAT IS WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO.

SHE IS IN CHARGE.

09:34:40 >>CLERK:
THANK YOU, THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MICHAEL

RANDOLPH, AND IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:34:46 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH, WEST TAMPA.

LAST YEAR, 50% OF FOLKS ARRESTED WERE ARRESTED FOR

GUNS.

VIOLENT CRIME UP 30% IN OUR CITY.

PEOPLE ARE DYING AT A RATE THAT IS RIDICULOUS.

TALKING OF STRATEGY OF HOW WE TURN THE AGENDA AROUND.

I REQUEST THAT SHE IS OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO

LOOK AT A NEW WAY TO DEAL WITH VIOLENCE.

I AM NOT ABOUT ORGANIZATION.

I AM NOT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

I AM ABOUT SOLUTIONS.

TO LOOK AT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, I SHARED WITH HER A

DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT

DOES WORK.

I ALSO SHARED WITH HER ABOUT A NEW APPROACH TO POLICING

TO INCREASE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COMMUNITY.

UNDER THIS MODEL, OFFICERS WILL HAVE RESOURCE ARE, FOR

EXAMPLE, FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESOURCES AND ALL THAT

STUFF WILL BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY STRATEGY.

I ALSO SPOKE TO NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.

BECAUSE I DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT -- I WENT TO THE

NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST.

TIME IN SUPPORT OF THE CHIEF BECAUSE GOING TO LOOK AT

IT IN A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND LOOK AT THIS IN A

PERSPECTIVE OF NEW EYES.

FOR EXAMPLE, CAN HE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME OL'

SAME OL' AND EXPECT THE SAME RESULTS.

I SUPPORT THE APPOINTMENT BECAUSE NOW WE CAN LOOK AT

WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SO WE CAN STOP

THE VIOLENCE.

THANK YOU.

09:36:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

09:36:34 >>CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER, BISHOP MICHELLE PATTY.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:36:42 >> GOOD MORNING.

I AM BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.

I AM ACTUALLY OUT OF TOWN, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY

IMPORTANT TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER.

28 YEARS AGO, CHIEF MARY O'CONNOR WAS GIVEN A SECOND

CHANCE.

SHE USED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE CITY

RISING -- RISING THROUGH THE RANKS TO RETIRE AS

ASSISTANT CHIEF.

ONE STEP FROM BEING THE CHIEF.

TAMPA IS UNIQUE.

OUR MAYOR, MAYOR JANE CASTOR SERVED AS CHIEF.

MAYOR JANE CASTOR KNOW WHAT IS WE NEED TO MOVE THIS

COMMUNITY FORWARD AND THAT IS CHIEF O'CONNOR.

CHIEF O'CONNOR HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, FBI EXPERIENCE.

SHE HAS BEEN IN OTHER CITIES AND BEING AROUND THE

COUNTRY.

SO WITH CHIEF O'CONNOR, WE BRING AN UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE.

SHE IS ABLE TO PROCESS AND DO THINGS ON A DIFFERENT

LEVEL.

SO THAT'S WHY I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF CHIEF MARY

O'CONNOR.

WE ASKED THAT FELONS BE GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY.

BECAUSE WHEN A SECOND CHANCE, LOOK WHAT A PERSON CAN

DO.

THEY CAN SOAR TO THE TOP.

WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WHEN THINGS HAVE GONE

WRONG YEARS AND YEARS AGO, 28 YEARS AGO, THAT IS LONG

ENOUGH.

BUT PEOPLE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THERE IS

CHILDREN KILLING CHILDREN IN THE STREETS OF TAMPA.

BLOOD IS FLOWING IN THE STREETS.

[GAVEL SOUNDING]

09:38:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
POINT OF ORDER.

09:38:11 >> WE NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE CHARGE.

09:38:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME SAY SOMETHING.

BEFORE OR AGAINST THE NOMINEE, WE WILL HAVE SILENCE IN

THIS CHAMBERS.

WHEN YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK, YOU WILL SPEAK.

YOU WILL GIVE YOUR COMMENT AND RESPECT EVERYONE ELSE.

IF YOU DO NOT, I WILL HAVE YOU REMOVED BY MR. TALLY,

OUR OFFICER OF THE ROOM.

I CLEAR, MR. TALLY?

09:38:31 >> YES.

09:38:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL PROCEED.

09:38:42 >>CLERK:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.

SPEAKER IS JEAN STROHMEYER.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:38:47 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:38:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, WE CAN.

09:38:54 >> HELLO, EVERYBODY, JEAN STROHMEYER HERE TODAY.

FIRST, I WANT TO JUST SAY ABOUT DINGFELDER ISSUE.

I THINK THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT WAS A LOADED EVENT

FOR MR. DINGFELDER, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN LIKE THAT.

AND I BELIEVE THE GOOD -- THE PEOPLE BEHIND THAT JUST

DID DO THAT FOR POLITICAL REASONS TO GET HIS VOTE

SILENCED.

AND THEY SUCCEEDED IN THAT BATTLE BUT NOT IN THE WAR,

BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF LITTLE SOLDIERS OUT HERE

THAT ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR CITY.

SO BACK TO THE AGENDA.

A LOT OF THE AGENDA, I SEE A BUNCH OF THESE CONTRACTS

AND VOTES.

I -- WE HAVE FOUND THAT SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS AND

BIDS SHOW UP IN LITTLE NEWSPAPER THAT NOBODY EVER HEARD

OF AND OTHERS SHOW UP IN THE BIG NEWSPAPER.

THERE ARE SOME CONTRACTS THAT NEVER GET A CHANCE TO

MAKE A BID TO THE CITY.

SO ALL THESE PUBLICATIONS FOR THE BIDS ON CONTRACTS

NEED TO BE UP FRONT FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.

EVERYBODY SHOULD GET A CHANCE TO BID ON IT.

AS FAR AS THE NEW POLICE CHIEF, I DON'T KNOW HER.

BUT JUST -- TOO MANY THINGS THAT DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT TO A

LOT OF PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE NEWSPAPER.

THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE VETTED A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THE 28 ON THE AGENDA, I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL GET TO

SPEAK ON THAT LATER BUT BLOOMBERG CONSULTING IS A

VERY BIASED CONSULTING FIRM OUT OF NEW YORK.

THEY ARE OUT OF DELAWARE.

AND BLOOMBERG THE BILLIONAIRE THAT WE WANT TO NOW RUN

OUR CITY BEHIND THE SCENES.

WE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

32, LICENSE PLATE READERS.

Y'ALL KEEP BRINGING THE BIG BROTHER TO THE CITY OF

TAMPA.

NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

BACK TO THE BLOOMBERG, WE NEED TO SEPARATE THE DUTIES,

THE MAYOR HAS A LOT OF POWER AND MORE LIKE A

DICTATORSHIP LIKE WE ARE SEEING.

WE NEED THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB AND

SEPARATE THE POWERS SO EVERYBODY HAS A VOICE.

35 AND 36, YOU HAVE GTTE.

LEASING FROM GTE.

THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS THE LOT OR PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF MONEY WE ARE SPENDING ON

THAT, BUT HOPE -- IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO.

NUMBER 62, THE TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS.

AGAIN, I THINK THAT IS A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT WILL PUT

OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK OF HAVING TO ANSWER TO GOVERNMENT

RATHER THAN THEIR OWN PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN TWO

INDIVIDUALS.

47 AND 48, THERE IS A LOT OF PAYOUTS THAT GO INTO THE

YEAR 2030 HERE.

SO WE WILL BURDEN OUR FUTURE WITH DEBT UP TO THE YEAR

2030.

IT LOOKED BAD TO ME.

CAN YOU ALL LOOK INTO THOSE.

63, I DON'T KNOW IF I AM ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT

ONE, BUT VOTE NO ON THAT PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT

ENDMENT.

09:41:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN, THAT IS DURING THE PUBLIC

HEARING IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THAT, YOU HAVE THAT

OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WISH.

09:41:52 >> THANK YOU.

THOSE THE THINGS, PLEASE.

BLOCK EVERYTHING AND I APPRECIATE IT.

HAVE A GREAT DAY.

09:42:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, JEAN.

09:42:05 >>CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER IS LORRAINE PERINO.

IF YOU HEAR ME, UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:42:17 >> GOOD MORNING, I AM LORRAINE PERINO, I WAS BORN AT

THE HOSPITAL IN BAYSHORE.

I AM A THIRD GENERATION HISPANIC UNTIL RECENTLY WAS

PROUD OF MY CITY.

HISPANICS COMPRISE 25% OF POPULATION.

AND JANE CASTOR HAS ZERO LEVEL HISPANICS IN MANAGEMENT.

IT SHOWS GREAT DISRESPECT TO THEM.

PROMOTING REUBEN DELGADO, A CAREER HISPANIC, TO POLICE

CHIEF WAS A WAY TO HELP THIS INJUSTICE.

SHE DIDN'T.

DELGADO WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE.

HE HAD THE SUPPORT OF THE ENTIRE HISPANIC COMMUNITY AND

OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

CASTOR SHOULD HAVE IN GOOD FAITH HELP THE DEFICIT OF

HISPANICS HER IN ADMINISTRATION.

LED A CERTIFICATION LAPSE AND UNQUALIFIED TO RUN THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CONTENTIOUS PASS.

ARREST WITH DUI AND ASSAULT OF A POLICE OFFICER FOR

WHICH SHE WAS FIRED.

AND CREATED A POLICY SO RACIALLY UNFAIR THAT WAS CITED

BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

THIS LOSE, LOSE, LOSE WHO JANE CASTOR SELECTED TO LEAD

THE TAMPA'S FINEST.

ALL OF THIS IS VERY DISTURBING TO ME.

I HARDLY RECOGNIZE TAMPA GOVERNMENT ANYMORE.

STAFF IS ORDER TO READ CITY COUNCIL PRIVATE E-MAILS,

BUT YET, ONE OF YOU A CITY ATTORNEY IS ACCUSED OF

VIOLATING THE SUNSHINE LAWS.

CASTOR SELECTED SOMEONE TOTALLY INADEQUATE FOR THE

CHIEF'S JOB PASSING OVER A QUALIFIED HISPANIC.

ONE OF YOU COUNCIL VIOLATED TO FORCED RESIGN IN A

SHODDY LAWSUIT BY THE SHODDY DEEP INTEREST GROUP.

THE ALICE AND WONDERLAND UPSIDE DOWN AND BACKWARDS OR

PUTIN'S RUSSIA.

THE SKETCHY HANNA STREET CONTRACT, THE HIGHLY

UNPOPULATED PURE PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY RUNS DOWN OUR

THROAT.

LATEST SHOCK, A DEDICATED CITY COUNCILMEMBER WHO WORKED

TIRELESSLY AND CONSERVE THE CHARACTER AND IMPORTANCE OF

OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND ECOSYSTEMS HAS BEEN RAILROADED

INTO RESIGNING AS THE MAYOR'S CITY ATTORNEY REFUSES TO

DEFEND HIM.

THINGS ARE GOING DOWN FAST.

IF HE ISN'T RIGHTFULLY APPOINTED TO CHIEF, REUBEN

DELGADO SHOULD SUE THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR WORKPLACE

DISCRIMINATION.

IT IS ILLEGAL UNDER FEDERAL LAW.

I TOO WAS A VICTIM OF WORKPLACE DISCRIMINATION.

I FILED IN COURT AND I WON.

FOR THE LEADERSHIP THAT IS CURRENTLY LACKING IN CITY

GOVERNMENT.

VOTE NO TO O'CONNOR AND INSIST THAT REUBEN DELGADO BE

PROMOTED TO CHIEF.

HE DESERVE IT IS AND THE COMMUNITY DOES TOO.

09:45:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.

[APPLAUSE]

09:45:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO APPLAUSE, FOLKS.

AGAIN, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

09:45:23 >>CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER IS CAROLYN WENDY EISLER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE

THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:45:33 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS AND STAFF, I LIVE

IN SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.

I AM SPEAKING WITH YOU TO VOICE MY CONCERN REGARDING

THE PROCESS OF THE NOMINATION OF MARY ELIZABETH

O'CONNOR AS TAMPA POLICE CHIEF.

MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IN THE

SEARCH AND SELECTION, THE ELECTION PROCESS AND NOW THE

RUSH TO INSTALL AN UNCONFIRMED NOMINEE TO THE ROLE.

SO WHY WAS OUR SEARCH NET CAST SO NARROW.

WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE PROCESS OF A LOCAL NEWSPAPER, CITY

OF TAMPA COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR SAID THAT THE SEARCH

WAS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

IN ADDITION, HE SAID HE WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE A LIST OF

THE CANDIDATES PRESENTED FOR THE JOB.

THE PROCESS WHICH APPARENTLY NETTED THREE VIABLE

CANDIDATES WAS LARGELY CONDUCTED IN THE DARK AND OUT OF

THE PUBLIC EYE.

LACK OF ACCESS TO THE CANDIDATES LEFT THE PUBLIC WITH

NO CLEAR INSIGHT INTO WHAT EACH OF THE VISIONS WERE FOR

THE ROLE OF TAMPA POLICE CHIEF, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY

FOR THE IDEAS OF HOW TO IMPROVE THE RELATIONSHIPS

BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THE POLICE FORCE

WHICH WAS LARGELY DAMAGED IN THE DEBACLE AND THE

MISHANDLING OF BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTERS.

THESE NOT WITHSTANDING.

NOMINATE MARY O'CONNOR, A FORMER TAMPA POLICE

DEPARTMENT COLLEAGUE WHICH HAS NOT BEEN A POLICE

OFFICER IN TAMPA FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.

THIS IS CERTAINLY A DETRIMENT FOR A INCOMING LOCAL

LEADER.

WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION IS MARY O'CONNOR UNDER STANDS

THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS AND CHALLENGES.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR HAS THE POWER TO

APPOINT A NEW POLICE CHIEF, THE CITY CHARTER SAYS FOUR

OF THE CITY COUNCIL SEVEN MEMBERS VOTE TO CONFIRM THE

MAYOR'S SELECTION.

AND YET MARY O'CONNOR HAS ALSO BEEN ACTED IN THAT

CAPACITY WITHOUT CONFIRMATION.

SHE HAS BEEN INTRODUCED AS CHIEF OF POLICE IN EVERY

OPPORTUNITY.

THIS FEELS LIKE USURPLE AND NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE

SELECTED.

WE HAVE AN INTERIM POLICE CHIEF.

WHY HASTEN THE CAREFUL AND CONSIDERATION OF THE BEST

POSSIBLE CANDIDATE.

DON'T WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHO WE CHOOSE TO ULTIMATELY

SERVE IN THIS ROLE MATTERS A GREAT DEAL.

BOTH NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

AFTER A YOU WILL A FORMER TAMPA CHIEF OF POLICE IS NOW

OUR MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK MAY YOU ACT

TO ALLAY THE CONCERNS OF CONSTITUENTS IN THIS IMPORTANT

MATTER.

09:48:02 >>CLERK:
LAST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS MISS FRAN TATE, AND IF

YOU CAN HEAR ME, MISS TATE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO

SPEAK.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

09:48:21 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME.

09:48:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, MISS TATE.

09:48:27 >> I AM ASSISTANT CRIME WATCH COORDINATOR.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.

IT WAS REQUESTED FOR CHIEF O'CONNOR TO VISIT THE

COMMUNITY SO WE GET TO HEAR FROM HER AND SHE GETS TO

HEAR FROM US.

ON THE 28TH OF FEBRUARY, THE CRIME WATCH GROUP ATTENDED

A COMMUNITY FORUM ADDRESSING VIOLENT CRIME AT THE

UNIVERSITY.

CHIEF O'CONNOR WAS THERE.

SHE LISTENED ATTENTIVELY TO OUR CONCERNS.

WITH THE HELP OF THE COMMUNITY, SEE SOMETHING, SAY

SOMETHING, PEOPLE, TO ADDRESS THE GUN VIOLENCE.

SHE ALSO STATED THAT SHE WOULD REOPEN COLD CASES.

AND SHE WOULD INSTITUTE A PROGRAM TO ADDRESS MENTAL

HEALTH AWARENESS WITHIN OUR OWN POLICE FORCE.

WE ALSO SHARED WITH HER THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR

COMMUNITY POLICING IN EAST TAMPA ESPECIALLY.

FOR THESE REASONS, THE JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD

CRIME WATCH GROUP SUPPORT MAYOR JANE CASTOR'S

APPOINTMENT OF MARY O'CONNOR AS POLICE CHIEF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

09:49:45 >>CLERK:
CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES THE REMOTE SPEAKERS FOR

TODAY.

09:49:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC

COMMENT.

NUMBER ONE.

09:50:18 >> I GOT UP THIS MORNING TO COME HAVING HAD BACK

SURGERY --

09:50:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
EXCUSE ME, MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME.

09:50:24 >> CAROL PARMER.

MY HUSBAND. PETER PARMER, WORKED 18 YEARS BEFORE HE RESIGNED

YEARS BACK.

AND I WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK FOR MARY O'CONNOR AND

THE FACT THAT HER FAMILY IN MANY WAYS HAS BEEN A PART

OF THE POLICE EVIDENT -- BOTH SHE APPEARED HER HUSBAND.

I HAVE KNOWN HER TO BE AN HONORABLE WOMAN THAT

REPRESENTS THE WOMEN'S RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE NEEDED.

I GREW UP IN PLANT CITY.

I MOVED TO TAMPA IN 1966 WHEN THE BIGGEST FIGHT WE WON

WAS BEING ABLE TO WEAR TROUSERS TO WORK.

SOUNDS SO SILLY IN THESE DAYS, BUT IT WAS THAT KIND OF

A THING THAT WOMEN WERE TRYING TO FIND THEIR WAY UP

INTO BEING ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES AND MAKE THE CITY SAFER

AND STOP THE SQUABBLING BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS AND

WORKED TOGETHER FOR A METROPOLITAN AREA BECAUSE WE HAVE

BECOME A BIG CITY WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I HAD OCCASION TO BE IN A SPEAKING SITUATION WITH MARY

WHEN SHE RETIRED AND WENT OUT INTO THE LECTURE CIRCUIT

TO SPEAK TO OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND EVENTUALLY TO

THE FBI IN THE YEARS SHE WAS NOT ACTIVELY WORKING WITH

TAMPA POLICE.

AND SHE DID THAT AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND SHE HAS BEEN

WISE AND NOT FALLING DOWN AND PICKING HERSELF UP AND GO

TO THE NEXT PLACE IN THE THINGS SHE HAD LEARNED IN ALL

OF THESE YEARS BEING IN THE POLICE WORK.

AND THAT SHE IS -- ALWAYS HAS BEEN IN THE CITY AND

ALWAYS HAD HER FAMILY HERE.

SO I AM GLAD TO SEE SHE HAS BEEN, I GUESS IT IS CALLED

NOMINATED AT THIS POINT TO THE POLICE CHIEF, BECAUSE

SHE IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE FOR WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE

MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE A SAFE

COMMUNITY WITH ALL KINDS OF DIVERSITY.

THANK YOU.

09:52:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NUMBER TWO.

09:53:02 >> YES.

MY NAME IS MELVIN HICKS.

HOW ARE YOU DOING, COUNCIL.

I HAVE BEEN COMING TO THIS CITY A LONG TIME.

AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF STUFF.

I HAVE SEEN THIS COUNCIL GO TO COUNTY COUNCIL.

I HAVE SEEN -- I HAVE SEEN ABOUT EVERYTHING AND THIS

RIGHT HERE.

I DON'T THINK MISS O'CONNOR SHOULD BE CHIEF.

THE PROCESS HAS BEEN VIOLATED AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE

PROCESS HAS BEEN VIOLATED.

SO, I -- IF I WAS TO ASSAULT A HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

DEPUTY, I WOULD BE LOCKED UP RIGHT NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW,

PROCESS WOULD BE VIOLATED.

THE MAYOR VIOLATED THE PROCESS WITH Y'ALL.

AND YOU ARE LEGISLATORS.

SHE IS A LEGISLATOR TOO, SO SHE VIOLATED THE PROCESS

AND DOING THAT.

REMEMBER WHEN BUCKHORN SAID WHEN HE MADE DUGGAN CHIEF.

CALLED HIM ON THE PHONE AND SAY DO YOU WANT TO BE

CHIEF.

REMEMBER WHEN BUCKHORN SAID THAT.

AND THE MAYOR DID WITH HER.

PROCESS BEING VIOLATED.

BUT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN HERE UNDER BUCKHORN.

I REMEMBER Y'ALL.

THE FIRST TIME A CONFIRMATION HAS BEEN LIKE THIS FOR A

POLICE CHIEF.

SO WE KNOW THE PROCESS HAS BEEN VIOLATED RIGHT NOW.

THE INTEGRITY IS BEING VIOLATED.

SHE DOESN'T FIT THE CATEGORY.

TAMPA NEEDS TO HEAL.

YOU CAN'T HAVE HER WITH BAGGAGE COMING TO THE POLICE

FORCE AS CAPTAIN.

COME ON.

IT'S BAGGAGE FOR THE CITY.

2020 SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT RIGHT THERE.

SHE IS BAGGAGE FOR THE -- FOR THE LOOK FOR THE CITY

RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

REMEMBER JANE CASTOR USED TO BE CHIEF OF POLICE

SOMEWHERE ELSE, NOT JUST TAMPA.

REMEMBER THAT.

THAT IS WAY BACK THERE.

BUT THE INTEGRITY IS BEING VIOLATED.

YOU KNOW THAT AND SHE AIN'T SUPPOSED TO BE CHIEF AND

NOT SUPPOSED -- THAT IS JUST ME.

I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE EVER SINCE THE QUIZNO'S

WAS RIGHT THERE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

FIVE GUYS.

YEAH, I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.

SO I KNOW HER -- REMEMBER HOUSING.

THE EVICTION PROCESS.

AND JANE CASTOR ISSUING -- HAD TO RESIGN AND THEN

MAYOR.

POLITICS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SHE IS RUNNING ON THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT.

COME ON NOW, WE HIRED HER -- NO, WE ELECTED HER MAYOR.

NOT CHIEF OF POLICE.

WE ELECTED HER MAYOR.

HOW MANY HATS IS SHE WEARING?

FOR REAL.

THE MAYOR VIOLATING -- WE NEED TO REIN HER IN.

WE NEED TO SEPARATE, FOR REAL.

IT IS APPALLING.

09:56:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. HICKS.

NUMBER THREE.

NUMBER FOUR.

09:56:26 >> HEY, NUMBER THREE.

09:56:38 >> HANG ON.

09:56:39 >> I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT --

09:56:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.

09:56:43 >> YES, I AM JAMES GRAHAM.

OKAY, I'M HERE TO STATE SOMETHING ABOUT THE NEW ALLEGED

POLICE CHIEF COMING UP AND WHATEVER.

IMAGINE RUNNING OUT OF GAS GOING TO YOUR HOUSE AFTER

HELPING SOMEBODY WHO IS STRANDED.

YOU RUN A GAS AND HAVE A GUN IN YOUR VEHICLE.

LEGALLY COED.

PROPERLY CONTAINED AND GET ARRESTED ONE DAY IN THE

COUNTY JAIL, ONE DAY SERVED.

YOU CAN'T GET A JOB.

YOU CAN'T GET A JOB AS A DETENTION DEPUTY.

NOTHING.

STILL HAVE THE GUN.

THAT'S ME.

ANOTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP.

YOU TALK OF REPARATIONS AND DOING GOOD AND MAKING

THINGS RIGHT.

45 YEARS AGO, 1977, TAMPA STADIUM, LED ZEPPELIN RIOT.

THAT IS ME LAYING ON THE FIELD WITH MY SISTER STANDING

OVER THERE LOOKING AT THE PAPER CLIPS, IT IS FUNNY.

ONE YOUTH THAT STAYED IN THE HOSPITAL OVERNIGHT.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PAPER, I IDENTIFIED THE COP THAT

BEAT ME UP.

I SAID LOOKED LIKE A BULLDOG IN THE HELMET.

HE IS DEAD NOW.

HIS NAME WAS LARRY BENSON.

OKAY.

I STOOD IN THE HOSPITAL.

I GOT MY ARM AND BACK BROKEN.

I STILL TALK TO THE DOCTOR THAT TOOK CARE OF ME 45

YEARS AGO IN THE VA HOSPITAL.

THIS IS FUNNY.

I WANT REPARATIONS.

Y'ALL GET WITH ME.

IF YOU WANT A CARD.

I WILL GIVE YOU A A CARD WITH PHONE NUMBER.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO -- SEE I AM ALSO A PHOTOGRAPHER.

AND I HAVE BEEN, CHARLIE, AT THE BLUE COLLAR COMEDY

TOUR AND A FEW OTHER PEOPLE.

I HAVE BEEN AROUND.

I HAVE BEEN TO SOME OF YOUR INTERESTING LITTLE GET

TOGETHERS.

I HAVE GOT PHOTOS.

I AM STARTING TO WRITE A BOOK.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SWEATING BULLETS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I

A VETERAN THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

I AM A VETERAN THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RECORDS, NO

TATTOOS.

I AM NOT IN THE STUPID LITTLE YEARBOOK.

I HAVE A BLEMISH ON MY FACE.

I REALIZE WHY I WASN'T PHOTOED IF AT ALL.

I DID RICH PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT DIRTY WORK.

THAT IS ME.

I WAS THE ONLY PERSON, 16-YEAR-OLD BOY TRYING TO HELP

MY SISTER UP AND I REMEMBER WOULD YOU LIKE -- WILL JUST

PHRASE IT.

GET UP YOU F'ING HIPPY.

AND I TALKED TO A GUY AT THE FAIR GETTING A POSTER OF

THE LED ZEPPELIN.

I GOT MY ASS KICKED AT LED ZEPPELIN FOR $10.

ANYHOW, THIS THING RIGHT HERE -- YOU KNOW I AM CON

FRONTING ISSUES FROM THE PAST BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS

GETTING SO DISAPPOINTED AND HELPED OUT HERE.

I WISH THE CANDIDATE THE BEST.

THAT IS UP TO YOU.

BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EARN RESPECT AND TRUST AND STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS GOING TO GO EXACTLY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE -- I KNOW A LOT OF HONORABLE AND

RESPECTFUL AND COPS WITH INTEGRITY AND THEY KNOW I GOT

THEIR BACK.

THEY KNOW IF THEY ARE BEING SHOT AT, I WILL BE SHOOTING

AT THE PEOPLE WITH THEM SHOOTING.

BUT THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN I THINK IT IS INTO THE

MY JOB OR OBLIGATION TO WORK.

09:59:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

09:59:50 >> NOBODY WANTS A CARD, THAT IS GOOD.

YOU WILL BE HEARING THINGS IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

I HAVE BEEN WRITE THINGS.

10:00:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER FOUR.

10:00:15 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:00:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING.

STATE YOUR NAME.

10:00:20 >> MY NAME IS BRENDA CANINO.

I AM A FORMER CITY OF TAMPA POLICE OFFICER.

AND I DID PATROL THE STREETS OF TAMPA WITH CHIEF

O'CONNOR.

MANY YEARS.

SHE KNOWS THE CITY.

SHE KNOWS ITS PEOPLE.

AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RECENT APPOINTMENT

OF CHIEF O'CONNOR BY MAYOR JANE CASTOR HAS CREATED A

WHIRLWIND OF RUMOR AND DOUBT AS TO EXACTLY WHO CHIEF

O'CONNOR IS.

QUESTIONS OF HER CREDIBILITY, OTHER FORMS OF REASONABLE

DOUBT ARE NOT UNUSUAL FOR ANY SITUATION REGARDING

GOVERNMENT, APPOINTED POSITIONS OR EVEN FORMER ELECTION

OF CERTAIN OFFICIALS.

CRITICISM OF CHARACTER, HOWEVER OTHER FORMS OF

PREJUDICE, SLANDER AND SO FORTH ARE NOT INDICATIVE OF

SO-CALLED TRANSPARENT AND PROGRESSIVE ORGANIZATIONS

SUCH AS THE CITY OF TAMPA SADLY IT IS A MORE OPPRESSIVE

NATURE.

EYE FOR ONE CAN ATTEST TO THE CALIBER OF CHIEF

O'CONNOR.

AS A POLICEWOMAN A MOTHER, WIFE AND FRIEND AND MOST

IMPORTANTLY AS A BACK-UP IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

WE -- WELL, I WAS PART OF THE PERSONALITY THAT

PROTECTED PRESIDENT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND OUR

CONCERN IS THE PROTECTION OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF

TAMPA THAT IS AT THE POINT AT THIS TIME.

I'M HERE TO BRIEFLY EXPLAIN WHY SHE IS MORE QUALIFIED

FOR THE POSITION AND WHY ALL THE SPECULATORS SHOULD

TAKE SEAT, TAKE NOTE AND RE-EVALUATE YOUR OPINIONS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, HER DEDICATION TO THE JOB, AS WELL

AS HER PEERS AND FAMILIES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN EVIDENCE

WHILE WORKING THE LINE OF DUTY.

SHE IS FEARLESS IN THE FACE OF ADVERSITY, AND REMEMBER

RESILIENCE ALWAYS MANAGED TO MOVE ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL.

CHIEF O'CONNOR IS EXTREMELY DEDICATED TO WHAT SHE DOES

CHIEF O'CONNOR IS EXEMPLARY IN ALL THESE VALUES.

IN ADDITION TO BEING A STRONG HISPANIC FEMALE FULLY

EDUCATED FULLY CAPABLE OF BEING CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF

TAMPA POLICE.

I WOULD HIGHLY ADVISE ANYONE WHO IS EITHER IN DOUBT OF

CHIEF O'CONNOR OR WHO HAS ANY PREDETERMINE INCLINATIONS

ABOUT HER TO TAKE SERIOUS INVENTORY, SELF-INVENTORY, OF

YOURSELF BEFORE PASSING ANY FURTHER JUDGMENT.

10:03:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, BRENDA.

10:03:30 >> THANK YOU.

10:03:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER FIVE.

10:03:44 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, BRET BARTLETT.

RETIRED FROM TAMPA POLICE.

ALMOST THERE 32 YEARS.

I ROSE FROM THE RANKS OF PATROLMAN TO CAPTAIN.

I DIRECTED A SECTION OF D-3 WHEN IT WAS BRAND-NEW.

A VERY CHALLENGING VERY GOOD TIME.

INTERNAL BUREAU, INTERNAL AFFAIRS BUREAU, I HAD A

VARIED CAREER.

HAVING SAID THAT I HAD WHAT THE OFFICER SAY A SPLOTCHY

DISCIPLINARY HISTORY.

I HAD ROUGH TIMES.

I WAS FORTUNATE THAT THE LEADERSHIP RECOGNIZED -- HOW

RETHEY CAN NICEED THE ABILITY TO SERVE AND DO A GOOD

JOB.

I BENEFITED FROM THAT.

I AM A BIG BELIEVER IN SECOND CHANCES.

I WORKED WITH MARY O'CONNOR.

I KNOW SHE IS A PERSON OF INTEGRITY, ENTHUSIASM.

I THINK SHE IS GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB.

I RISE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF CHIEF O'CONNOR AND RISE IN

SUPPORT OF MAYOR CASTOR'S ABILITY AND DECISION TO THINK

WHATEVER SHE THINKS IS NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS

IN THIS CITY THAT SHE WANTS TO ACHIEVE.

MY HATS OFF TO CHIEF O'CONNOR.

I WISH HER THE BEST OF LUCK.

AND, AGAIN, I RISE IN SUPPORT OF THIS DECISION.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

10:05:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, BRETT.

NUMBER 6.

10:05:17 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

IT'S A PLEASURE.

FIRST THING, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR EACH OF OUR

DISTRICTS ON A DAILY BASIS.

RAFAEL PIZANO.

I AM A LIAISON FOR THE CITY

OF TAMPA.

OUR COUNCIL MET WITH POLICE CHIEF MARY O'CONNOR.

WE HAD A REAL HUMAN EXPERIENCE.

I THINK FIRST THING WE NOTICED POST THAT MEETING IS OUR

CITY IS BLESSED.

WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE CANDIDATE.

AND THEY BOTH -- IF A THIRD CONSIDERED HAVE A

INCREDIBLE DEDICATION AND HISTORY TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE VALUE THAT EQUALLY AND RESPECT THAT AND ADMIRE THAT

AND WITH THE LOVE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.

CONCLUSION OF THE BOARD THAT THE EXPERIENCE THAT CHIEF

O'CONNOR CAN OFFER THE CITY, HER 22 YEARS EXPERIENCE.

HER FIVE YEARS TRAVELING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HER WORK

WITH THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, IT CAN BRING

A LOT OF LIGHT TO OUR CITY AND IT IS WELCOMED.

IT IS EMBRACED.

AND WE WOULD SUPPORT THIS NOMINATION.

THAT IS MY PART TODAY AS A LIAISON FOR THE COUNCIL.

NOW I WILL SPEAK FOR RAFAEL PIRZANO, VETERAN, LOVING

MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.

MY PERSONAL WORDS ARE THAT I SEE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT

SACRIFICED.

BECAUSE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DO SACRIFICE QUITE A

BIT.

THEY PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE.

THEIR FAMILIES ENDURE QUITE A BIT.

I MET A HUMAN BEING THE DAY OUR COUNCIL MET.

AND I SPOKE ONE ON ONE WITH HER.

I SEE SOMEONE THAT WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND.

AND I NOTICE THAT WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE WE WATCH

MOVIES OR READ PHILOSOPHY AND HAVE OUR BELIEFS IN

SECOND CHANCES AND STONE IN REALITY PEOPLE WITH ANY

EXPERIENCE THAT THEY LEARN FROM.

I SEE ONE MINUTE THING ABOUT THIS HUMAN BEING, AND

I SEE HOW THEY CREATED SO MUCH LIGHT AND POSITIVE FOR

THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE COUNTRY.

I HAVE READ.

I HAVE RESEARCHED.

I HAVE SEEN THE WORK ABROAD.

AND I PERSONALLY FEEL AS A RESIDENT -- I CONSIDER

MYSELF A SON OF TAMPA.

WE EACH LOVE THE CITY SO MUCH.

I SEE THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT I DO NOT PERSONALLY KNOW AS

SOMEONE THAT BRINGS A CERTAIN EXPERIENCE OR IN THE PAST

I WOULD NOT HAVE CONSIDERED.

THE ENCOUNTER, THAT ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT SHE

ENCOUNTERED IN HER YOUTH, SHE OFFERS AN EXPERIENCE THAT

SHE UNDERSTANDS MULTIPLE ANGLES OF THOUGHT WHEN IT

COMES TO POLICING.

SHE KNOWS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ENDURE CERTAIN

CHARACTER AND INDIVIDUALS.

SHE UNDERSTAND OURS RESIDENTS.

SHE UNDERSTANDS POLICING.

SHE UNDERSTANDS OUR COMMUNITY.

I WISH HER AND THE OTHER CANDIDATES, I THANK THEM.

I SUPPORT CHIEF MARY O'CONNOR FOR CITY OF TAMPA POLICE.

THANK YOU.

10:08:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, RAFAEL.

NUMBER 7.

10:08:14 >> GOOD MORNING.

CONNIE BURTON.

I USUALLY FORMULATE MY THOUGHTS AFTER I HAVE HEARD A

WORD OF WISDOM, BUT WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US THIS MORNING

WAS THE SILENT MEDITATION OF WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE.

WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT IS

HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

AND I IMMEDIATELY REFLECTED UPON WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE

THAT HAVE HAD TO LIVE UP UNDER RACIAL PROFILING, NOT IN

A FARAWAY COUNTRY BUT HERE IN THIS CITY.

WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPECTED THE LEADERSHIP

TO START FROM A PLACE OF -- WITH A CLEAN BROOM.

SO WE CAN GET ON A FRESH START WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT

HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THIS HISTORY OF POLICING IN THE

CITY OF TAMPA, PEOPLE CAN'T BE PROUD OF THAT.

IT'S NOT OF ONE PERSON THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT, THE LEADERSHIP

OF THE DEPARTMENT, THAT THOUGHT IT WAS ALL RIGHT TO

ENGAGE IN RACIAL PROFILING.

THAT THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY FOR OFFICERS TO RECEIVE

PROMOTIONS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS THEY MADE IN

MINORITY COMMUNITIES.

THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DRIVING AND BIKING WHILE BLACK IS

NOT SOMETHING THAT WE MADE UP.

AND THEN WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT PEOPLE RECEIVING THIS

SECOND CHANCE OF REDEMPTION, WE DON'T SEE HOW BROAD IT

GOES.

WE JUST HERE FOR ONE PERSON, RIGHT NOW.

BUT NOBODY CAME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS HARMED

THE MOST.

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS COMING IN HERE, BUT I

TALKING ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS CITY COMING IN

AND SAYING, HARM WAS DONE TO THE AFRICAN COMMUNION.

HARM WAS DONE WITH GENERATIONAL PEOPLE WHERE PEOPLE

WERE CAPTAINS OR RATHER JUST MERE OFFICERS.

THOSE SAME PERSONS ARE BEING ASKED TO TAKE THE NEXT

LEVEL WHEN THEY HAVEN'T REPAIRED THE DAMAGE.

HOW DO YOU CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD OF THIS TYPE OF

IMBALANCE IN THIS CITY?

TAMPA CANNOT HEAL UNTIL YOU FIRST ADMIT SOMETHING WAS

DONE WRONG, NOT TO THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL BUT TO AN ENTIRE

COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO WERE USED AS A STEP STONE FOR

OTHERS TO BENEFIT.

AND WE ALL KNOW IT HAPPENED.

AND SO WHILE PEOPLE WANT TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE, IT CAN

NOT BE DONE UNTIL WE HAVE TOTAL, TOTAL REPAIR FOR THOSE

THAT WERE HARMED FIRST.

AND WHEN WE GET THAT, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON.

THANK YOU.

10:11:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MISS BURTON.

NUMBER 8.

NUMBER 8.

10:11:34 >> MENTESNOT.

TOM BRADY MUST BE EXPERIENCING FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES.

WHAT A POOR EXAMPLE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND A POOR EXAMPLE

FOR PEOPLE IN GENERAL, BUT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF EXACTLY

HOW CAPITALISM DRAINS EVERYTHING OUT OF THE

WORKING-CLASS WITH NO CONSIDERATION OF THE WELL BEING

AND WELFARE OF THE WORKER.

SHOULD BE CALLED THE MUHAMMAD ALI SYNDROME.

TOM BRADY, ELDERLY MAN, 15 YEARS BEYOND PARTICIPATING

THE GLADIATOR, HEAD INJURY SPORT AND THE PEOPLE WE KNOW

TO TRUST TO DO BETTER IS ALL CHEERING HIM ON.

IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN PEDOPHILES AND ENTICING AND

EXPLOITING LITTLE CHILDREN WITH CANDY AND VIDEO GAMES

AS HER SEXUALLY ABUSER, HUMAN PREDATORS ENTICING AND

EXPLOITING TEENAGERS WITH DREAMS OF STARDOM, RAP

CAREERS FOR TRAVEL AND PREPARE FOR DRUG RUNNING, HUMAN

TRAFFICKING AND GREAT FORMS OF GREAT EXPLOITATION.

THIS CITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT ALLOW A PROCESS TO WORK

BACKWARDS.

THIS CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE A STRONG MESSAGE FOR THIS

MAYOR AND FUTURE MAYORS THAT THEY ARE ELECTED FOR THE

PEOPLE AND NO MAYOR SHOULD HAPHAZARDLY BYPASS THE

PROCESS.

MAYORAL REPENTANCE BECAUSE THEY WERE CONTROLLED BY THE

MEDIA.

BYPASSING THE CITIZENS AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS GRAVE

CONSEQUENCES AND ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN REVEALED WITH THE

TRAGIC DEATH OF A 44-YEAR-OLD CITIZEN THAT WAS A DIRECT

COLLATERAL DAMAGE OF IGNORANCE POLICIES AND DISRESPECT

FOR CITIZENS AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

PROPERTY CRIMES LIKE A STOLEN AUTOMOBILE SHOULD NOT BE

PRIORITIZED OR CLASSIFIED AS CRIMES THAT COULD

POTENTIALLY LEAD TO THE DEATH OR SENTENCE OF INNOCENT

CITIZENS.

AN AUTOMOBILE FROM MLK TO TAMPA STREET.

TURKEY CREEK IN SEFFNER AND 18 MILES IS NOT ONLY

IRRESPONSIBLE BUT CRIMINAL.

BOTH THE OCCUPANTS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT CHASE

THE AUTO, THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE MAYOR SHOULD BE HELD

CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE.

LEAVES OUR REPARATIONS AND MAKING RACIST STATEMENTS

CONNECTING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND REFORM TO FAITH-BASED

SHOW A GREAT DEAL OF RACIAL INSENSITIVITY.

THE SAME WAY CITY COUNCILMEMBER JOHN DINGFELDER WAS

FORCED TO RESIGN IS THE SAME WAY THAT THEY SHOULD

DEMAND THE RESIGNATION OF THE JUDGE FOR CONNECTED TO

CARL HENSON.

THE SAME WAY THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD LET THE MAYOR

KNOW WITH A STRONG NO VOTE EVEN IN A TECHNOLOGICAL

ADVANCED, YOU SHOULD NOT PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

CITIZENS HAVE RESPONSIBILITY OF GAS PRICES, INFLATION,

$108 BILLION GOVERNMENT SPENDING, GENTRIFICATION,

HOUSING CRISIS, RUNAWAY INCREASES AND NOT ADHERING TO

POLICY.

NOT ABOUT MARY O'CONNOR OR THE LUCK OF THE IRISH BUT

PROCESS AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

THIS CITY COUNCIL SHOULD VOTE NO.

10:14:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER 9.

10:14:53 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, YVETTE LEWIS, PRESIDENT

OF THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH.

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, COULD SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER THE

QUESTION.

WHERE WAS THE TRANSPARENCY IN THIS PROCESS OF SELECTING

THE CHIEF OF POLICE?

WHERE WAS THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND ENGAGEMENT IN

SELECTING THE CHIEF OF POLICE?

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY OF TAMPA, TAXPAYER --

CITY OF TAMPA PAID FOR A NATIONWIDE SEARCH WITH

TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND END UP WITH THREE PEOPLE IN OUR

OWN STATE.

TWO IN TAMPA.

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, YOU WILL MAKE A DIFFICULT DECISION

TODAY.

THE MAYOR APPOINTED MARY O'CONNOR FOR CHIEF OF POLICE.

MARY O'CONNOR STATED AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE, WE CAN'T

-- WE CAN'T ARREST OUR WAY OUT OF CRIME.

SHE ALSO STATED -- STATED THAT SHE TREATED EVERYBODY

WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT, BUT YET AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN

THIS COMMUNITY WERE TARGETED WITH TICKETING AND ARRESTS

FOR RIDING A BIKE UNDER MARY O'CONNOR'S LEADERSHIP.

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, YOU ASKED, WHY ARE WE KEEP

BRINGING BIKING WHILE BLACK UP.

IT IS BECAUSE THE WOLVES ARE STILL THERE.

THE WOLVES ARE STILL PRESENT.

LATER, TO DISCOVER MORE RULES WERE OPEN.

/WITH THE CRIME FREE HOUSING PROGRAM TARGETED

AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND POOR PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

YOU SEE, A LOT OF PEOPLE LOST THEIR JOBS, THEIR

HOUSING.

AND MOST IMPORTANT, THEY LOST THEIR DIGNITY.

SINCE TAMPA BELIEVES IN SECOND CHANCES, MAYBE THEY

WILL REACH BACK AND REMOVE AND CORRECT SOME OF THE

INJUSTICES THAT WAS PLACED UPON THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN

COMMUNITY.

THIS PROCESS WAS FLAWED AND NEED TO START OVER IN ORDER

TO BUILD THE TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.

AFTER ALL, TAMPA IS A DIVERSE CITY.

KNOWN AS CMAMPA BAY.

OH, I FORGET, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, COULD SOMEONE PLEASE

QUESTION THE GOOD OL' BOY NETWORK AT TPD AND ASK THEM

HOW THEY ALLOW A PERSON TO ADVANCE HER CAREER AFTER

RECEIVING A BATTERY ON A POLICE OFFICER.

YOU SEE WE FIGHT A LOT OF CASES DEALING WITH YOUTH IN

THE SCHOOLS WHEN YOU BRUSH UP ON BATTERY OF A POLICE

OFFICER.

WE FIGHT TO END THOSE CASES AND ERASE THEM BECAUSE IT

STAYS ON THEIR RECORDS.

SO ALL I AM SAYING IS CONSIDER WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS

SAYING.

10:18:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 10.

10:18:14 >> GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE, CHAPLAIN

RICHARD FELLOWS, OF THE CHAPLAIN OF THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT.

ONE OF THE CHAPLAINS.

I SUPPORT MARY O'CONNOR.

I HAVE KNOWN HER FOR 15 YEARS, BACK WHEN SHE WAS A

LIEUTENANT WHEN I CAME IN.

WAY BACK WHEN.

I KNOW HER AS BEING A WOMAN OF INTEGRITY, COMPASSION.

AND NOT ONLY FOR COMMAND STAFF BUT THE OFFICERS ON THE

STREET.

I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME WITH THEM.

TO A PERSON, THEY HAVE ALL SAID WHAT A WONDERFUL CHOICE

IT WAS AND HOW THEY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER.

THEY FEEL SUPPORTED BY HER.

THEY FEEL EMPOWERED BY HER.

AND THEY SUPPORT HER 100%.

I RISE IN FAVOR OF HER APPOINTMENT.

THANK YOU.

10:19:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, CHAPLAIN, THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER 11.

10:19:16 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

PETE BREVI.

AS I ALWAYS SAY, THANK YOU FOR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK

TODAY.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT I SHARE A FEW WORDS ABOUT

THE -- ABOUT THE CONFIRMATION OF CHIEF O'CONNOR.

YOU KNOW, I AM NOT POLITICAL IN NATURE BY ANY STRETCH

OF THE IMAGINATION AND KIND OF OUTSIDE OF MY BOX TO

KIND OF DO THIS THING.

BUT EVER SINCE MAYOR CASTOR APPOINTED CHIEF MARY

O'CONNOR FOR THE POLICE CHIEF OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCOURSE.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS MY OBLIGATION TO COME AND SHARE A

FEW OF MY OWN COMMENTS.

COUNTRY FOR THE HARD-WORKING MEN AND WOMEN OF THE TAMPA

POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE THAT

THIS SITUATION SUSPECT ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS OF MARY

O'CONNOR, NOR ANY OF THE FINALISTS, NOR IS IT INVOLVING

REALLY ABOUT THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED WITH MARY 27,

28 YEARS AGO.

IT IS REALLY ABOUT THE PROCESS, AND I THINK EVERYBODY

UNDERSTANDS THAT EVERYBODY HAS A VARIED OPINION ON

THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK THAT IS ONE OF THOSE

THINGS THEY SHOULD LAY AT THE FEET OF MARY O'CONNOR.

SHE IS NOT PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SHE WAS A CANDIDATE IN THAT PROCESS.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE

IMAGINATION MARY SHOULD BE THE BABY THAT GETS THROWN

OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.

BEING AN ALUMNI OF THIS VERY DEPARTMENT, I SPENT 30

YEARS AND SILL RESERVE POLICE OFFICER AND I HAVE BEEN

SO FOR ANOTHER SEVEN.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE -- I HAVE A DEEP REWARD FOR THIS

DEPARTMENT.

I THINK IT IS ONE OF THE FINEST DEPARTMENTS IN THE

COUNTRY.

MY OPINION THAT THE CONTROVERSY AND DELAY SURROUNDING

THIS CONFIRMATION IS DAMAGING TO A DEPARTMENT OF THIS

SIZE AND ITS COMMUNITY.

I THINK IN -- IN THE TIME THAT WE WERE ALL IN NOW

THROUGHOUT THE -- NOT ONLY THE WORLD BUT THE COUNTRY

AND LOCALLY AS A WHOLE, I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE A LOT

OF ISSUES THAT NEED THE ATTENTION OF THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT.

YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CONFRONTED DAILY

WITH CHALLENGES AND ISSUES THAT REQUIRE STRONG

LEADERSHIP.

AND I SAID NOT ONLY THE BEST INTEREST OF THE DEPARTMENT

AND THE DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN THAT THE TPD DESERVES

TO HAVE A SINGULAR VOICE AND A STRONG ADVOCATE TO SPEAK

UP FOR THEM, AS ARE THE CITIZENS.

THEY DESERVE THE SAME.

ONE THING THAT IS INTERESTING THINK THAT NEVER HEARD

ONE ARGUMENT CONCERNING CHIEF O'CONNOR'S LACK OF

ABILITY, QUALIFICATIONS OR ABILITY TO LEAD THE

DEPARTMENT FORWARD.

REALLY WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THERE REALLY

ARE NONE.

SINCE THE MOMENT SHE WAS PUT IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION

20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN A QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, SHE IS A VERY DEDICATED, FORWARD THINKING,

INNOVATIVE AND EXTREMELY LOYAL LEADER.

AND SHE MADE THE BEST OF A SECOND CHANCE.

YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNION AND

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE TIME HAS COME FOR EVERYBODY

TO UNIFY AND PUT THIS ISSUE TO BED AND CONFIRM CHIEF

O'CONNOR.

DOING SO WILL ALLOW HER AND HER COMMAND STAFF TO MOVE

FORWARD TO AFFECT THE MYRIAD OF CHALLENGES AND PROVIDE

A SAFE CITY THAT WE ARE ALL PROUD TO CALL HOME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

10:22:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, PETE.

NUMBER 12.

ALL THE RETIREES HERE TODAY.

10:22:28 >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE PULEO.

I RETIRED IN 2019 FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HOMICIDE

SQUAD.

AND I'M HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU WHY CHIEF MARY O'CONNOR

IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR CHIEF.

ALTHOUGH I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF THE CITY, I GROW UP IN

NORTHEST HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

I WENT TO SCHOOL AND ATTENDED CHURCH IN FOREST HILLS.

WHEN I WAS HIRED, IT WAS MY DESIRE TO WORK IN DISTRICT

2 IN THE AREA WHERE I GREW UP.

AND LATE 2009, I WAS PROMOTED TO DETECTIVE AND ASSIGNED

TO THE DISTRICT TWO INVESTIGATION SQUAD WHERE MARY WAS

THE SERGEANT.

TOURING THIS TIME I QUICKLY LEARNED SHE HELD HER

DETECTIVES TO A HIGH STANDARD.

SHE ALWAYS EMPHASIZED THAT WE WERE THERE TO WORK FOR

THE VICTIMS OF CRIME AND TO PROVIDE THEM THE BEST AND

MOST THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.

SHE ENCOURAGED HER DETECTIVES TO WORK CLOSELY OFFICERS

ON THE STREET AND ALSO TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

TOGETHER UNDER HER DIRECTION, OUR DISTRICT WAS ABLE TO

REDUCE CRIME.

SHE ALWAYS FOSTERED CAMARADERIE BETWEEN MEMBERS OF OUR

SQUAD AND HAD US KEEP OUTSIDE INTEREST AND FAMILIES A

PRIORITY FOR OUR OWN WELLNESS.

OUR SQUAD WAS VERY CLOSE KNIT AND TO THIS DAY, MANY

MEMBERS ARE STILL IN CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER.

I LATER WORKED WITH MARY AS MY MAJOR WHEN I WAS

ASSIGNED TO THE VIOLENT CRIMES SQUAD.

SHE AND I KEPT IN TOUCH OVER THE YEARS AND SHE OFTEN

TALKS OF THE VICTIMS THAT OUR SQUADS AND OUR DEPARTMENT

IN GENERAL HAVE FELT.

I WAS RECENTLY SPEAKING WITH A MEMBER OF OUR OLD SQUAD.

HE REMINDED ME WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT CRIME STATISTICS,

MARY ALWAYS REMINDED US THAT BEHIND THE NUMBERS WERE

ACTUAL PEOPLE AND VICTIMS THAT DESERVED JUSTICE.

ABOVE ALL, SHE HAS ALWAYS EMPHASIZED THAT REGARDLESS OF

RACE, ETHNICITY, RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION OR NORTH

CAROLINA STATUS, ALL VICTIMS DESERVE AND WILL BE

TREATED WITH RESPECT AND THAT CITIZENS WILL RECEIVE THE

BEST POLICE SERVICE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THEM.

LIKE MYSELF, CHIEF O'CONNOR HAS A TRUE PASSION FOR

THIS DEPARTMENT AND FOR POLICE SERVICE.

SHE, TOO, HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS CITY.

CHIEF O'CONNOR EPITOME OF A MENTOR AND LEADER AND CARES

DEEPLY OF PEOPLE OF THIS CITY.

IF THIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE DEPARTMENT WANTS A BETTER

QUALITY OF LIFE AND SHE IS WITHOUT A DOUBT THE BEST

WESTERN FOR THIS POSITION.

THANK YOU.

10:24:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

NUMBER 13.

GENTLEMEN, JUST SO YOU KNOW WE HAVE ROUGHLY OVER 50

SPEAKERS.

I HAVE A LIST HERE, MR. SHELBY.

10:25:13 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS PETER WRIGHT.

GOOD MORNING, CHIEF.

AND GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

I AM NOT A POLITICIAN BY TRADE.

I AM A HOTEL GENERAL MANAGER IN YBOR CITY FOR A LUXURY

HOTEL.

YOU COME TO YOU TODAY TO PROVIDE SOME ENDORSEMENT FOR

MARY O'CONNOR.

I AM A REBOUND CITIZEN OF TAMPA.

I WAS HERE MANY YEARS AGO AND NOW BACK.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE OF THE

POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT MARY HAS ON OUR CITY.

I COME FROM -- COME TO YOU FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF A

COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS I AM A STEWARD OF OVER 160 ASSOCIATES IN YBOR

CITY.

I AM THE STEWARD OF THOUSANDS OF GUESTS AT OUR HOTELS

AND RESTAURANTS.

AND I AM A STEWARD OF PROVIDING A POSITIVE IMPACT OF

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE TAMPA BAY ECONOMY.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHEN I MET MARY O'CONNOR,

BEING NEW TO TAMPA BAY, SHE CAME DOWN AND SAT TO ME AND

SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YBOR CITY IS ABOUT.

AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT STOOD OUT AND A COUPLE OF

THINGS THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME WAS, ONE, THE HEALTH

AND WELFARE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND HOW DO WE IMPROVE THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF OUR

POLICE DEPARTMENT AND RETAIN POLICE MEN AND WOMEN.

RETENTION IS SO IMPORTANT.

SECOND IS, HOW DO WE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY POLICING.

HOW ARE WE INVOLVED.

SHE ALSO TALKED ABOUT NOT LOCKING UP AND RELEASING.

AND HELPING THE MENTAL WELLNESS OF THOSE THAT NEED IT

IN YBOR CITY SO I JUST WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY

AND GIVE RECOMMENDATION AND ENDORSEMENT FOR CITY

COUNCIL.

DON'T THINK -- MY PERSPECTIVE COMES FROM CITIES LIKE

SEATTLE.

I WAS INVOLVED THERE.

HOUSTON, TEXAS.

CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.

NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE.

I HAVE BEEN IN THOSE COMMUNITIES WHERE I HAVE SEEN NEW

CHIEFS APPOINTED AND HOW WE NEED TO BE MORE

DIVERSIFIED.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT MARY O'CONNOR WILL BE THE RIGHT

PERSON FOR THE ROLE.

AT CITY COUNCIL, DON'T JUST LOOK AT STRAIGHTFORWARD,

NOT JUST AT THIS, BUT LOOK AT A BROADER PICTURE AND SEE

THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT MARY CAN HAVE FOR OUR CITY.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS

MORNING.

10:27:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER 14.

10:27:46 >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS BRIAN CARPENTER.

I BECAME A TAMPA POLICE OFFICER ON THE SAME DAY THAT

MARY DID.

WE WERE IN THE SAME CLASS.

THROUGH MY CAREER, I HAD A VARIETY OF ASSIGNMENTS.

AND I RETIRED IN 2018 AFTER 25 YEARS.

I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TELL YOU A

COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT MARY THAT MAY NOT BE ON HER

RESUME THAT YOU KNOW I LEARNED WHEN I CAME UP.

007 I WAS PROMOTED TO A DETECTIVE AND ASSIGNED TO

MARY'S BLIS SQUAD.

ON DAY ONE, SHE MADE IT CLEAR THAT SHE EXPECTED US, HER

DETECTIVES, TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, TO DO THAT EXTRA

MILE.

AND TO STAY LATE WHENEVER IT WAS NEEDED AND SHE ALSO

EXPECTED US TO CONTINUE HONING OUR SKILLS AND DIFFERENT

QUALITIES.

ONE OF THOSE QUALITIES WAS COMMUNICATION AND SHARING

INFORMATION BETWEEN MEMBERS OF OUR DISTRICT.

NOT JUST WITH HER BUT ALSO WITH OUR STREET SQUADS OR

ANTI-CRIME SQUADS TO PROVIDE THEM THE INFORMATION SO

THEY CAN BETTER FOCUS ON THEIR EFFORTS.

BUT SHE DIDN'T STOP WITH THE COMMUNICATION.

SHE ENCOURAGED US AND HAD US SPEAK TO OUR PATROL UNITS

WHO PATROL OUR AREA AND ALSO WITH DETECTIVES IN OTHER

AREAS.

AND SHE DIDN'T LET US FALL TO THE WAYSIDE.

SHE SAID, HEY, COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR PEOPLE.

ON A DAILY BASIS, WE WOULD HEAR, DID YOU TALK TO YOUR

STREET CRIME SQUAD TODAY?

DID YOU TALK TO THE OFFICERS TODAY?

ASK THE DETECTIVES, DID YOUR DETECTIVE GET WITH YOU.

HAVE YOU BEEN COMMUNICATING?

THAT IS A BIG THING.

NEXT THING WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT IS THE COMPASSION

AND EMPATHY WITH VICTIMS.

BEING A CRIME VICTIM IS A TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE.

SOMEBODY BREAKS INTO YOUR HOME AND ROBS YOU AT

GUNPOINT, IT CREATES FEAR AND YOU FEEL VIOLATED.

MARY O'CONNOR MADE SURE THAT WE KNEW THAT AND ABLE TO

LOOK AT CRIMES FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE VICTIM.

SHE TOLD US AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- AND I REMEMBER

THAT THAT VICTIM IS SOMEBODY RELATIVE.

SOMEBODY'S GRANDMOTHER, GRANDFATHER, SOMEBODY'S SON.

SOMEBODY'S DAUGHTER.

AND SHE WANTED US TO TREAT THEM AS IF THAT WAS OUR

GRANDFATHER OR GRANDMOTHER OR RELATIVE AND LOOK AT IT

FROM THAT VIEWPOINT.

THROUGH ALL THIS MARY WAS ABLE TO GET US, OUR

DETECTIVES TO --

10:30:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

10:30:55 >> OKAY.

10:31:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 15.

10:31:07 >> MR. CHAIR, ROBERT RULES OF ORDER.

MR. DAWSON WILL GIVE ME THREE MINUTES.

10:31:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S ONE MINUTE.

10:31:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THOSE ARE ONLY DURING PUBLIC HEARING.

10:31:21 >> ROBERT RULES OF ORDER, I CAN'T GET EXTRA THREE

MINUTES?

10:31:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOT FOR.

10:31:26 >> ARE YOU SURE.

10:31:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.

10:31:29 >> OKAY.

I AM WASTING TIME.

I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TALK FAST.

SO I HAVE MUCH TO COVER.

I JUST CANNOT SEE HOW IN THE WORLD WE CAN FAULT CHIEF

MARY O'CONNOR FOR EVERYTHING, BICYCLES.

1995.

SPIRO AGNEW WENT TO PRISON.

RICHARD NIXON.

ATTORNEY GENERAL.

SHE NEVER WENT TO PRISON.

WE SHOULD GIVE HER AN AWARD, BECAUSE SHE STOPPED A

THING CALLED FRAUD IN EAST TAMPA.

$6 OR 7 BILLION DOLLARS.

SHE CAME IN AND STOPPED IT.

PEOPLE USING PEOPLE'S SOCIAL SECURITY AND PEOPLE USING

PEOPLE'S NAMES AND GETTING MONEY, FRAUD.

WE SHOULD GIVE HER A GOLD MEDAL.

AS FAR AS THE BICYCLES, SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE

BICYCLES.

SHE WAS NOT THE CHIEF.

SHE WAS TAKING ORDERS.

WHEN THOSE BICYCLES TICKETING GOING DOWN, THE JUSTICE

DEPARTMENT DIDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE TICKET WAS ABOUT.

THEY DIDN'T GO IN DETAIL ABOUT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE

THAT BROKE INTO PEOPLE'S CARS AND STEALING BICYCLES.

ROBBING THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

QUITE NATURALLY YOU WILL GET TICKETS IN A PREDOMINANTLY

BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE BLACK PEOPLE STAY, BECAUSE THE

POPULATION IS 99% BLACK.

NEXT YOU WILL WRITE MORE TICKETS.

MARY O'CONNOR IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

SHE IS INNOCENT.

AND SHE IS QUALIFIED.

AND I AM GOING TO SAY THIS RIGHT HERE.

THE SAME MANKIND, IF A PERSON IS QUALIFIED TO DO A JOB,

EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, BUT THEY ARE QUALIFIED TO

MAKE SURE YOU SAFE AT NIGHT, TO MAKE SURE YOUR FAMILY

CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT, AND TO MAKE SURE THIS CITY IS SAFE,

YOU ARE GOING TO GO AGAINST A PERSON BECAUSE YOU DON'T

LIKE THEM AND THEY ARE QUALIFIED FOR A JOB?

YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A WHOLE CITY SUFFER?

THE MAYOR KNOW WHAT SHE WAS DOING WHEN SHE APPOINTED

HER BECAUSE THE MAYOR WAS ONCE CHIEF OF POLICE.

SHE KNOW.

AND MR. BENNETT WAS ASSISTANT CHIEF.

HE KNOW.

THEY KNOW.

THEY KNOW WHO THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON WERE.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE HER, YOU ARE GOING IS A SAY, I

NOT GOING TO GO -- TAKING THIS PERSONAL?

I HAVE NOTHING PERSONAL TO GAIN FOR THIS.

I AM NOT A POLITICIAN.

A COMMON 71-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO WANTS THINGS TO GO DOWN

RIGHT.

THIS LADY HAS SUFFERED ENOUGH.

WE SHOULD PIN A GOLD MEDAL ON HER AND THE MAYOR BOTH.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS GOOD JOB.

MAYOR MARY O'CONNOR NEED TO BE THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

WASN'T EASY FOR A LADY BLACK OR WHITE TO BE A POLICE

OFFICER, BECAUSE MEN ALWAYS GOT PROMOTION OVER THEM.

I THINK SHE DID A TREMENDOUS GOOD JOB.

SO I HAVE -- I HIGHLY RECOMMEND MARY O'CONNOR.

SHE DOESN'T NEED TO SUFFER ANYMORE.

WE NEED TO PUT THE CITY ON THE MOVE AND START FIGHTING

CRIMES AND LET THIS FOOLISHNESS GO.

LEAVE MARY O'CONNOR ALONE TO WORK AND DO HER JOB, FIGHT

CRIME.

THANK YOU.

10:34:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 16.

10:34:46 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.

10:34:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.

10:34:50 >> CLARENCE JOHNSON.

I AM FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF TAMPA.

TAMPA, FLORIDA, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WAY YONDER.

AS YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW MARY O'CONNOR TOO AS WELL OR

TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT WELL.

BUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN WATCHING HERE OR HEARING HERE IT

KIND OF AMAZES ME.

BECAUSE FOR ONE THING, PEOPLE WHO DO UNDERSTAND THAT

SHE DESERVES WHAT -- WHAT ALL THE MAYOR HAS GIVEN HER,

APPLIED FOR HER.

I THINK FOR MYSELF, BEING FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN,

I THINK SHE IS REAL QUALIFIED FOR THIS JOB AS I SIT

DOWN AND LISTEN AND LEARN FROM WHAT I AM HEARING, FROM

WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

AND I BELIEVE SHE IS A PERSON WITH INTEGRITY AND MORE

UNDERSTANDING OF THIS COUNTY, THIS TOWN.

BUT I DO KNOW FROM WHAT I KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HER

THAT WELL, BUT I CAN SAY SHE IS QUALIFIED FOR THIS JOB.

THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU.

THANK YOU.

10:36:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER 17.

IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS

ITEM, WE ASK YOU TO EXIT TO BRING THE OTHER SPEAKERS

WHO ARE DOWNSTAIRS UPSTAIRS TO SPEAK NUMBER 17.

10:36:31 >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JULIA JACKSON.

RETIRED EDUCATOR OF OVER 15 YEARS HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY.

ALSO PART-TIME WRITER AND PHOTOGRAPHER FOR THE FLORIDA

SENTINEL BULLETIN.

BUT I'M HERE TODAY AS A CITIZEN OF TAMPA.

25 YEARS AGO I MET MARY O'CONNOR AS A COLLEGE STUDENT,

INTERN, THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY.

AS WELL AS MAYOR CASTOR, THEY WELCOMED ME IN.

THE OF THEM WELCOMED ME IN.

IT MADE IT VERY HELPFUL TO THEM.

IT WAS A TRYING TIME DURING THIS TIME BECAUSE TPD WAS

LOOKING FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

SO I WAS PUT ON THE FORCE AS A RECRUITER, AS A STUDENT

FROM MY OWN COLLEGE.

SO IT WAS VERY REWARDING MEETING AND GETTING A CHANCE

TO WORK IN THE TRAILS OF OUTSTANDING OFFICERS.

NOW WE SEEM TO RECOUNT 28 YEARS AGO OF CHIEF O'CONNOR

WHICH IS VERY TRIVIAL COMPARED TO WHAT IS GOING ON NOW

IN OUR CITY.

IN FACT IT IS NOT LIKE SHE IS BRAND-NEW AT TPD, YOU

KNOW.

WE HAVE TO LET IT GO.

CHIEF O'CONNOR HAS RECONNECTED WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SHE HAS ALREADY PUT HER BOOTS ON THE GROUND, SOLVING

COLD CASES.

NOT BEGINNING, SOLVING.

SHE UNDERSTANDS THE TAMPA CHALLENGES.

I FEEL WE SHOULD RESPECT THE DECISION OF MAYOR CASTOR.

I AM ASKING YOU TO LET IT GO.

I AM ASKING YOU TO LET'S GET IT ON.

LET'S START OVER.

LET'S GET TAMPA BACK IN THE GROOVE OF SOLVING CRIME.

PLEASE, LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND CONFIRM CHIEF O'CONNOR.

THANK YOU.

10:38:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

NUMBER 18.

10:38:50 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:38:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STATE YOUR NAME.

10:38:58 >> AUBREY PIERCE.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MARY AND JUST FROM CITY

OF TAMPA ON THE EAST SIDE, SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN OUT

HERE -- I MEAN, I AIN'T PROUD TO SAY -- I HAVE BEEN

INCARCERATED SEVERAL TIMES.

I HAVE BEEN TO PRISON SEVERAL TIMES.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY DESERVES ANOTHER SHOT.

I HAVE BEEN OUT DOING GOOD AND CLEAN, YOU KNOW.

EVERYTHING I DID, I DID TO MYSELF.

I USED TO FAULT THE POLICE AND SAY THIS AND THAT, THAT

THEY WERE TARGETING ME.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, I HAVE BEEN OUT EIGHT YEARS.

I AIN'T BEEN IN NO TROUBLE.

I HAVE GOT A GOOD JOB.

THINGS WERE BAD ON THE EAST SIDE.

LIKE SHOOTING, BREAKING INTO HOUSES -- AIN'T NONE OF

THAT.

MY MAMA WALKS TO THE STORE NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HER GETTING MUGGED.

SHE CAN GO TO THE STORE.

SHE GOES TO THE STORE NOW EVERY DAY AND RELAX AND SIT

ON THE PORCH.

DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY OF GUNSHOTS.

WE SEE THE POLICE.

MORE INVOLVEMENT.

THEY ARE STOPPING AND ASKING QUESTIONS.

MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ALL RIGHT.

WHAT SHE DID IN THE PAST, EVERYBODY ALREADY KNEW THAT.

WE SHOULDN'T BE YELLING THAT.

SHE ALREADY HAD DONE -- SHE TOOK FROM HER OWN PEERS

WHEN SHE COME BACK.

THE FORCE PRESSURE TO COME BACK AND LOOK EVERYBODY IN

THE FACE AND THEY KNOW YOU MESSED UP.

SO SHE -- SHE SUCCUMBED THAT.

AND WE SHOULD ALL LOOK BEYOND THAT AS A COMMUNITY AND A

CITY.

WE SHOULD LOOK PAST THAT AND TRY TO, LIKE, MAKE THIS

RIGHT FOR US.

BECAUSE I NEED -- I NEED SOMEBODY LIKE HER.

I WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I AM ROOTING FOR SOMEBODY LIKE HER.

BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE NOW THE CITY IS A LITTLE SAFER ON

THE EAST SIDE, AT LEAST WHERE I AM AT, A LITTLE SAFER.

I SEE MORE POLICE ACTIVITY AND I GRATEFULLY APPRECIATE

THAT MY MOM, SISTER AND SON CAN WALK OUT THERE.

GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

THE GUNSHOTS.

PEOPLE GET SHOT EVERY DAY 15TH TO 26TH.

POLICE SITTING -- LETTING THEM PARTY OUT, BUT NOW YOU

GOT TO KEEP IT MOVING.

NOTHING GOING ON TO BE HERE.

YOU DON'T LIVE HERE AND YOU ARE HERE CAUSING A

DISTURBANCE AND INSIDE OF TOWN, WE GOT THE CRIME RATE

UP.

NOTHING WAS GOING ON UNTIL NOW.

I APPRECIATE IT.

YOU HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING.

I AIN'T -- I JUST APPRECIATE WHAT IS GOING ON FOR MY

CITY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SINCE SHE HAS BEEN APPOINTED OR ELECTED OR WHATEVER.

YOU KNOW, SO I JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

10:41:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

10:41:43 >> YOU ARE ALL RIGHT.

10:41:44 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER IS NUMBER 19, YVETTE FLYNN.

GO AHEAD.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

10:41:52 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.

MY NAME IS YVETTE FLYNN.

I AM A RETIRED HISPANIC POLICE MAJOR FROM THE TAMPA

POLICEMEN.

I SERVED 21 YEARS TO THIS COMMUNION.

AND DURING THIS TIME, I SERVED WITH SOME OF THE FINEST

MEN AND WOMEN ON THIS DEPARTMENT.

I HAVE KNOWN AND WORKED CLOSELY WITH CHIEF-SELECT MARY

O'CONNOR FOR THE MAJORITY OF MY CAREER.

CHIEF O'CONNOR IS INTELLIGENT.

SHE IS CAPABLE.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, SHE HAS A SERVANT'S HEART.

SHE WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD COMMUNITY RELATIONS, WHICH

NOT ONLY BENEFIT THE HARD-WORKING POLICE OFFICERS AND

SUPERVISORS OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT MOST

IMPORTANTLY, ALL RESIDENTS.

OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.

THEY HAVE AN INHERENT RIGHT TO BE HEARD.

CONCERNS TO BE ADDRESSED AS IT PERTAINS TO PUBLIC

SAFETY AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MEN AND WOMEN OF

THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I AM HONORED TODAY TO SELECT MARY O'CONNOR TO SUPPORT

YOUR STATUS TO CHIEF TO THIS DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YEARS YOU GAVE TO THIS

DEPARTMENT AND THE DEDICATION, NOT ONLY TO THE

OFFICERS, SUPERVISORS, OFFICERS LIKE --

10:43:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAN PLEASE SPEAK IN OUR DIRECTION

BECAUSE OF THE MICROPHONE.

10:43:30 >> YES, OF COURSE, I AM SORRY.

I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD WE ARE HONORED

TO SUPPORT HER FOR POLICE CHIEF AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

THAT SHE WILL DO A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH THE RESIDENTS OF

POLICE DEPARTMENT AS YOU HAVE HEARD THE MEMBERS WHO ARE

RETIRED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STATE, HER

DEDICATION AND SERVICE TO ALL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EACH MEMBER ON THE CITY

COUNCIL FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

AND THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR THIS TIME.

10:44:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:44:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, WHILE SHE WAS WALKING.

YVETTE FLYNN.

THE CITY OF TAMPA LOVES THE FLYNN FAMILY AND YOU ARE

ALWAYS IN OUR PRAYERS.

GOD BLESS YOU.

10:44:19 >> THANK YOU.

10:44:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT UP A LIVING LEGENDS, SENATOR

JOYNER.

10:44:32 >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS ARTHENIA JOYNER AND

LIFETIME RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND SERVED AS

YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND SENATOR FOR 16 YEARS IN

THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE.

I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT CHIEF MARY ELIZABETH O'CONNOR

WHO WAS APPOINTED LAST MONTH BY MAYOR CASTOR AND IS

HERE TODAY FOR CONFIRMATION BY THIS AUGUST BODY.

THROUGHOUT MY LIFETIME, I HAVE LEARNED THAT COURAGE

TAKES MANY FORMS.

IT IS THE STUFF WE SEE WHEN A POLICE OFFICER ROLLS OUT

ON PATROL WITH NO GUARANTEE THAT HE OR SHE WILL RETURN

ALIVE OR PLACES THEIR BODY BETWEEN A CIVILIAN OF A

FIREFIGHT AND RUSHES TO DANGER, NOT THE OTHER

DIRECTION.

ALSO, A COURAGE WHEN A WOMAN OR MAN LAYS BEAR THE PATH

THEY TRAVELED TO SUCCEED TODAY'S SUCCESSES AND THE

CHALLENGES THEY OVERCAME TO GET WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.

FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS AND MORE, CHIEF O'CONNOR IS

ONE COURAGEOUS WOMAN.

IT WERE NOT FOR SECOND CHANCES, I WOULD HAVE HAD A

DIFFICULT TIME IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE RISING TO THE MANY

POSITIONS I HAD THE HONOR OF ACHIEVING.

I WAS ARRESTED TWICE WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE.

AND MY SECOND ARREST RESULTED IN A 90-DAY SENTENCE AND

A FINE OF $500 FOR PROTESTING SEGREGATION.

I SERVED TWO WEEKS IN THE LEON COUNTY JAIL.

AND FINALLY, THE FINE WAS PAID, PRO RATA, AND I WAS

RELEASED.

THOSE TWO INCARCERATIONS COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BLOCKED MY

FLORIDA BAR ADMISSION.

COULD HAVE DERAILED MY LEGAL CAREER AND HAMPERED ANY

FUTURE POLITICAL AMBITIONS THAT I HAD.

BUT THE FLORIDA BAR UNDERSTOOD THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE

OF SECOND CHANCES.

SOMETHING THAT SOME PEOPLE HERE WANT TO PERPETUALLY

DENY IN ORDER TO BLOCK THE CONFIRMATION OF CHIEF

O'CONNOR.

THOSE CONDUCTING THIS DISCREDITING CAMPAIGN SO

CONFIDENT IN THEIR OWN PAST, THEIR OWN PRISTINE

RECORDS, THEIR OWN, THAT THEY ARE WILLING ASSAULT HER

CREDENTIALS AND UNDERMINE HER CONFIRMATION?

WE HAVE TODAY AN OUTSTANDING WOMAN OF CHARACTER,

COURAGE AND INTEGRITY.

MORE THAN DEMONSTRATED QUALIFICATION, BRAVERY AND HER

LOVE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE OFFICERS SHE COMMANDS.

SHE HAS MORE THAN EARNED OUR RESPECT.

AND SHE DESERVES HER CONFIRMATION.

SO IN CLOSING I ASK OF YOU, AS WE ARE ASKED IN THE

BIBLE, LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE

10:48:01 >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS DARYL PRITCHARD.

I AM A RETIRED CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DETECTIVE SERGEANT.

I WANT TO SAY HELLO TO MR. GUDES UP THERE.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

IN MY CAREER, I WAS A -- A SERGEANT.

I WORKED PRIMARILY EAST TAMPA.

I ALSO WAS AN ACADEMY INSTRUCTOR AND ONE OF MY -- ONE

OF THE PEOPLE I HAD THE HONOR OF INSTRUCTING MR. GUDES

WHEN HE WORE A YOUNGER MAN'S CLOTHES.

GOOD TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

I'M HERE TODAY TO VERY PROUDLY SUPPORT THE NOMINATION

OF MARY O'CONNOR TO THE POSITION OF CHIEF.

IN MY CAREER AS I SAID I WORKED PREDOMINANTLY A STREET

POSITION; HOWEVER, OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS I SERVED AS

A POSITION IN THE CRIMES BUREAU OF TAMPA POLICE

DEPARTMENT.

PRIMARILY I WAS THE SERGEANT IN CHARGE OF THE ROBBERY

SQUAD.

IN THAT, I ALSO OVERSAW THE ECONOMIC CRIMES UNIT.

A MARY WAS ASSIGNED AS DETECTIVE TO THAT UNIT.

BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMICS, I HAD TO HAVE A SECOND IN

COMMAND OF THAT UNIT.

I COULDN'T SPEND TIME NECESSARY TO BE A FULL-TIME

SUPERVISOR FOR THAT UNIT.

IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION.

WE HAD A FLUX OF PEOPLE LEAVING, SENIOR PEOPLE.

IT WAS A VERY TOUGH DECISION AND I CHOSE MARY O'CONNOR

TO BE MY SECOND IN COMMAND.

IT WAS TOUGH BECAUSE SHE WAS THE JUNIOR DETECTIVE OF

THAT UNIT.

SHE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE 15 YEARS SENIOR TO HER AND I

WAS GOING TO CHOOSE HER TO OVERSEE THEM.

SO WHEN I TALKED TO HER ABOUT IT, SHE WAS NATURALLY A

LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT.

BUT SHE ASSIMILATED THAT RESPONSIBILITY IN AN AMAZING

WAY.

HOW I DID CHOOSE MARY O'CONNOR?

I TAKE THOSE DECISIONS VERY SERIOUSLY.

I LOOKED AT EVERY INVESTIGATION SHE WAS INVOLVED IN.

I READ EVERY REPORT THAT SHE WAS ASSIGNED.

I ASSIGNED THOSE REPORTS TO HER.

I SAW EVERY SUPPLEMENT SHE DID TO EVERY ONE OF THOSE

INVESTIGATIONS.

I NOTICED THAT SHE CONTACTED EVERY VICTIM OF EVERY

CRIME SHE WAS ASSIGNED TO INVESTIGATE.

PERSONALLY.

SHE REACHED OUT TO THEM.

ALSO DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, SHE INITIATED.

SHE INITIATED ON HER OWN SOME PROACTIVE PLANS TO

COUNTERACT CRIME IN THE COMMUNITY.

AS A LEADER ON THAT UNIT --

10:51:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TWO SECONDS --

10:51:38 >> AS A LEADER ON THAT UNIT, SHE WAS EXEMPLARY.

SHE LED THOSE PEOPLE.

SHE DID A GREAT JOB.

AND I WAS REALLY PROUD OF THAT.

WHEN THIS NASTY THING --

10:51:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I GOT TO CUT YOU OFF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

YOUR TIME IS OFF.

10:51:56 >> I WILL DO IT REAL QUICK.

10:51:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I GAVE YOU -- I HAVE TO MOVE ON.

BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

NEXT SPEAKER.

NUMBER 22.

I GOT TO MOVE ON, DALE.

I GAVE YOU A FEW EXTRA SECONDS.

WE HAVE CERTAIN RULES HERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE TO MOVE ON.

10:52:13 >> ALL RIGHT, I WILL MENTION.

I WILL CONCLUDE.

10:52:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I CAN'T LET YOU SPEAK.

NUMBER 22, KEVIN HOWELL.

10:52:20 >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, PLEASE SUPPORT MARY O'CONNOR FOR CHIEF OF

POLICE.

10:52:34 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS KEVIN HOWELL.

FIRST OF ALL, SHE IS PROBABLY THE HARDEST-WORKING

PERSON.

THINK NEEDS TO GO FORWARD HERE.

COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE.

I, TOO, AS MANY PEOPLE BEFORE RETIRED FROM THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME, WHAT I DID OR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT MY HISTORY OR REALLY WHAT ANYBODY

THINKS OF ME.

I KNOW THAT THIS PROCESS IS REALLY TOO POINTED THE WAY

I SEE IT.

THIS IS MORE OF AN ATTACK ON AN INDIVIDUAL AND ABOUT

THE FACT THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE WHOLE PROCESS -- THE

PROCESS HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM.

I WOULD HOPE IT WASN'T THE PERSON.

IN THIS SITUATION, YOU -- YOU TAKEN SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN

EXEMPLARY CAREER.

A SPOT ON HER RECORD.

THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

IT HAS NEVER BEEN HIDDEN.

I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT SPOT ON

THE RECORD IS THAT MANY PEOPLE SITTING HERE TODAY CAN

NEVER SAY THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD SOMETHING THAT HAS COME

UP IN THEIR PAST.

SOMETHING -- NO MATTER HOW MINOR OR MAJOR IT WAS AS

MISS JOYNER POINTED OUT THAT WE NEED TO LEARN FROM.

SOME OF THESE ARE STORIES THAT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T GOT

CAUGHT DOING AND SHARE WITH OUR CLOSEST CALF DANTS AND

MAYBE LAUGH ABOUT IT, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO

SAY THEY LIVED THROUGH THAT, PRESENT THAT FORWARD,

LEARN FROM THAT, AND THEN BECOME A MORE STELLAR

INDIVIDUAL IN SOCIETY?

YOU HEARD THAT HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE HERE.

I HAD THE HONOR WITH EVERY ONE OF THE OFFICERS SPOKE

AND RETIRED TO WORK WITH THEM, FOR THEM, BESIDE THEM,

TRAINED THEM, WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND EVERY SINGLE ONE IS EXEMPLARY.

I THINK HIGHLY OF BUTCH.

A WRAVL WONDERFUL INDIVIDUAL AND A GREAT COP TOO.

MARY HAS BROUGHT TO THE TABLE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY

NEEDS.

BRINGS TO FORTH LISTENING TO CITY COUNCIL.

THE CHIEF WILL NOT COME AND BE ARGUMENTATIVE.

NOT HERE TO YELL AT YOU BUT WILL WORK WITH YOU.

THAT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND TOO.

I WROTE THIS WONDERFUL THING.

I AM NOT GOING TO READ IT BECAUSE IT IS MORE ABOUT,

AGAIN, THE PROCESS AND WHO THE CHARACTER IS.

MY FAMILY LIVES IN THIS CITY.

MY FAMILY -- MY WIFE'S FAMILY IS EMBEDDED IN THE CITY

FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

MANY OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL KNOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT

MY FAMILY IS -- THEY ARE WELL-RESPECTED IN THIS

COMMUNITY WELL.

BUT I WANT TO YOU UNDERSTAND WITH MARY THAT ONE OF THE

KEY PARTS HERE IS THAT WE -- WE LEARN FROM MISTAKES.

AND THAT HAS BEEN BEAT.

YOU.

BUT REMEMBER THAT THE REASON BEHIND SOME OF THOSE

MISTAKES IS WE LEARN FROM THE LESSONS THAT WE

DEVELOPMENTS KNOW WHAT DROVE THEM.

WE DON'T KNOW THE FACT THAT A DECISION -- A POOR

DECISION THAT WAS MADE MONTHS AFTER AN INCIDENT WHERE

SHE HAD TO TELL AN OFFICER THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO

BE OKAY NOT BELIEVING IT HERSELF.

I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE THAT I WAS PERSON.

AND SHE WAS THE ONE SAYING SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW

IF SHE BELIEVED.

BUT THAT I BELIEVE DROVE HER TO A POINT WHERE SHE MAY

HAVE MADE A POOR DECISION.

BUT SHE HAS LEARNED FROM THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

THAT THIS COUNCIL MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE IT.

YOU HAVE A NICE DAY.

10:55:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, KEVIN.

COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW KEVIN'S STORY OR NOT.

I REMEMBER THAT NIGHT.

YOU REMEMBER THAT NIGHT.

I SAY THANK GOD.

BECAUSE KEVIN REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE, GENTLEMEN.

KEVIN SHOULDN'T BE HERE.

HIM AND MIKE.

BUT GOD CHOSE FOR THEM TO STILL BE HERE WITH US.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BECAUSE THAT

WAS ONE HELL OF A NIGHT.

KEVIN WAS SHOT.

SHOT VERY BADLY.

SO WAS MIKE.

MIKE NEEDED THIS COMMUNITY SO BAD TO GIVE BLOOD --

BECAUSE NORMALLY WHEN YOU GIVE BLOOD, THE HOSPITAL AT

A CERTAIN POINT THEY STOP BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THE

BLOOD CAN BE UTILIZED FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO SAVE THEIR

LIVES.

BUT THIS COMMUNITY CAME THROUGH FOR BOTH THESE

GENTLEMEN AND GAVE BLOOD CONTINUOUSLY SO THEY COULD

LIVE.

I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU.

10:56:42 >> I APPRECIATE IT.

MORE ABOUT THE CITY AND ITS PEOPLE.

ITS CONSTITUENTS THE PEOPLE WE DO IT FOR.

THE PLEASURE HAS BEEN MINE.

10:56:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

WE WILL MOVE ON.

NUMBER 23.

10:57:00 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS SIMON CANASI.

I AM THE FATHER OF A FIRST RESPONDER FOR TAMPA FIRE AND

RESCUE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRIENDS OF TAMPA FIRE

FIGHTERS, WHERE I SERVE WITH CHIEF BARBARA TRIPP, WHO

BY THE WAY, WAS APPOINTED BY MAYOR JANE CASTOR AND IT

HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE APPOINTMENT.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE

OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AND SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF

MARY O'CONNOR.

MOST OF YOU -- MOST OF YOU KNOW ME VERY WELL AND KNOW

TWO THINGS ABOUT ME, I LOVE MY CITY AND I PULL NO

PUNCHES.

LET ME BEGIN BY TELLING YOU WHEN REUBEN DELGADO DID NOT

GET THE APPOINTMENT I WAS EXTREME WILL HE DISAPPOINTED

TO SAY THE LEAST.

THE MAYOR KNEW OF MY DISAPPOINTMENT AND REACHED OUT TO

ME AS A LEADER OF THE HISPANIC TO JUSTIFY HER POSITION.

I RESPECTED IT BECAUSE SHE WAS JUAN CHIEF OF POLICE AND

WELL VERSED IN WHAT IT TAKES TO BE THE CHIEF OF POLICE

AND WHO AM I TO QUESTION IT.

OUR MAYOR WAS NOT JUST ELECTED IN 2019, IT WAS A

MANDATE.

THE VICTOR GOES THE SPOILS.

NO EGREGIOUS REASON NOT TO CONFIRM THIS APPOINTMENT.

I HEARD LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS AND ASK YOU

TO LOOK INWARD WOULD YOU HAVE QUESTIONED THE PROCESS

SHOULD REUBEN DELGADO.

I HEARD OF THE INCIDENT IN 1995, 28 YEARS AGO BETWEEN A

25-YEAR-OLD YOUNG WOMAN WITH A MOMENTARILY LAPSE IN

JUDGMENT AND SINCE LED A EXEMPLARY LIFE AS A LAW

ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WIFE AND MOTHER.

I JUDGE PEOPLE BY THE TOTALITY OF THEIR MERITS, NOT BY

AN ISOLATE INCIDENT AND I WOULD HOPE THIS COUNCIL DOES

THE SAME.

A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I, ALONG WITH OTHER COMMUNITY

LEADERS, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET MARY O'CONNOR FOR

LUNCH AT ACACCITORE'S AND SONS IN ARMENIA IN THE HEART

OF THE HISPANIC DISTRICT OF WEST TAMPA.

SHE WILL TELL YOU HERSELF WE PULLED NO PUNCHES.

HER RESPONSES WERE FORTHRIGHT AND WE FOUND HER

ENGAGING.

WE FELT THIS A PERSON READY TO LEAD.

I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE THAT DAY THAT WE SUPPORT.

THE TAMPA BAY TIMES ENCOURAGE HER NOMINATION.

I FULLY BELIEVE THAT REUBEN DELGADO WILL BE STANDING

BEFORE YOU FOR HIS NOMINATION SOME DAY.

HE IS A CLASS ACT AND WORTHY.

TODAY IS NOT THE DAY.

TODAY IS ABOUT MARY O'CONNOR, IRONICALLY ENOUGH ON ST.

PATRICK'S DAY.

THIS IS A GAME OF CHESS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME.

WE NEED A POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO NEEDS ITS LEADERSHIP IN

PLACE.

I WATCHED YOU EXERCISE STATESMANSHIP OVER POLITICS ON

MANY ISSUES AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT.

A MOMENT FOR STATESMENSHIP.

IT TELLS TO YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT IS DECENT AND NOT

NECESSARILY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

IT IS NEVER THE WRONG THING TO DO AND LUCKILY FOR YOU

IN THAT CASE THE RIGHT AND DECENT THING TO DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:00:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

NUMBER 24.

11:00:25 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, BRIAN D. FREY.

AS I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF KNOWING MANY OF YOU, I AM A

NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY LEADER AND HIS HAVE THE

PRIVILEGE AND HONOR OF KNOWING SO MANY OF THESE

WONDERFUL FOLKS FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT BEHIND

ME.

I WAS AS DISAPPOINTED THAT BUTCH DELGADO WASN'T

APPOINTED, BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

MY ADMIRATION AND RESPECT FOR HIM, FOR LEE BERCAW,

MAJOR MAKE STOUT AND THE ENTIRE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT

FOR WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY DO WITH SO WELL FOR OUR

COMMUNITY IS UNWAVERING.

I DON'T HAVE WITTY ANTIDOTES ABOUT MARY O'CONNOR.

I DID READ A LOT ABOUT THIS LADY.

AND SHE WAS THE DETECTIVE-SERGEANT IN DISTRICT 2 WHERE

I LIVE IN ARGUABLY IN PROBABLY THE LARGEST REDUCTION IN

VIOLENT CRIME IN OUR CITY'S HISTORY.

I KNOW THAT SHE IS AN ADVOCATE FOR VICTIMS OF VIOLENT

CRIME AND VICTIMS OF CRIME PERIOD.

MY INTERACTION WITH MARY ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME WAS

THIS PAST SATURDAY WHEN OUR CITY HAD THE WONDERFUL

FORETHOUGHT TO HOST A NEIGHBORHOOD RETREAT OF ALL

NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

AN HONORABLE TIME BE ALL TOGETHER.

AND MARY THANKFULLY WAS THE LAST PERSON THAT TOOK US

FROM THAT MEETING OUT BACK INTO OUR CITY.

WHAT A WAY TO FINISH.

A WONDERFUL MEETING WITH SOMEONE WHO TRULY SHOWED HER

PASSION AND WHO TRULY SHOWED HOW DEDICATED SHE WAS TO

OUR CITY AND I HAVE TO TELL THAT YOU EVERY SINGLE

PERSON IN THAT ROOM I WOULD HAVE TO THINK THOUGHT THE

VERY SAME THING THINK THAT DID.

OUR CITY, OUR NATION, OUR WORLD HAS BEEN RIDDLED WITH

DEVISIVENESS SO INCH THESE LAST TWO YEARS AND SOMETIMES

IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO CONTINUE THAT.

NOW IS THE TIME TO AFFIRM THIS LADY WHO HAS RISEN IN

THE RANKS BOTH LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY AND PROVEN

HERSELF.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ROOM WHO HAS NOT

BEEN GIVEN THE SECOND CHANCE OF SOMEHOW IN THEIR LIFE.

AND I THINK WHAT WE DO WITH THOSE SECOND CHANCES IS HOW

WE ARE JUDGED FOR OUR FUTURE.

AND I THINK THERE IS NO PERSON BETTER THAN HAS CARRY

AUDITOR MUCH OR A BATON AND AN OLYMPIC RACE TO DO

BETTER FOR HERSELF, HER CITY AND THE THAN MARY

O'CONNOR.

I ASK THAT YOU GOD BLESS NEW YOUR DECISION.

GOD BLESS OUR CITY.

AND GOD BLESS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

11:02:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, BRIAN.

NUMBER 25.

11:03:15 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S DECISION

WAS FINAL IN THE CHARTER.

THE CITY ATTORNEY IS FINAL.

LEGAL OPINION.

DON'T MATTER.

THE LADY IS THE CHIEF.

11:03:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOUR NAME, SIR.

11:03:36 >> CONSULT, BUSINESS ENGINEER.

11:03:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE KNOW YOU JOE ROBINSON.

WE NEED IT FOR THE RECORD.

11:03:42 >> JOE ROBINSON.

JOSEPH ROBINSON.

JOE ROBINSON FBI NAME.

VICE-CHAIR OF THE CAC, SECOND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE

NAACP.

TAXPAYER, SACRED HEART CATHOLIC CHURCH AND DIE HARD

IOWA HAWKEYE FAN.

I CAN'T WAIT TO GET TO THE GAME AND THEN I WILL BE

CELEBRATING MY BIRTHDAY WITH MY DAUGHTER.

DELGADO, THANK YOU.

WEST TAMPA LOVE YOU.

BERCAW, WE LOVE YOU.

JOHN BENNETT, THANKS FOR A HAVING LUNCH WITH ME, MAN.

LISTEN, LET'S MOVE ON.

THIS THING IS A DEAD HORSE.

Y'ALL HAVE A ELECTION TO RUN.

YOU HAVE ONE YEAR TO GET BACK.

YOU HAVE TO APPOINT ANOTHER PERSON.

I MIGHT PUT MY NAME IN.

I AM TELLING ON TV NOW.

KEEP IT REAL.

YOU NEED SOMEBODY THAT KNOW KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON.

I AM TELLING YOU RIGHT UP FRONT.

YOU CAN'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.

WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING ON HANNA.

GUIDO, YOU SEE ME AT CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY.

CHARLIE YOU KNOW I AM ON THE WEST SIDE.

JOE CITRO, COME ON NOW.

CARLSON, COME ON, MAN.

YOU KNOW I AM KEEPING IT REAL BECAUSE THE FBI IS RIGHT

HERE LOOKING.

THIS LADY HAS EXPERIENCE.

SHE MIGHT SAVE YOU, RIGHT, JOHN.

LISTEN, I HEAR ALL OF THIS -- GRANT IT BACK -- BRADY

BACK.

BRADY BACK.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

LET'S MOVE ON FROM THERE.

THE LAST THING -- I HAVE ANOTHER MINUTE.

IT IS MY BIRTHDAY.

I AM COMING DOWN ON MY BIRTHDAY.

SUPPOSED TO SHALL TALKING ABOUT HANNA AVENUE.

YOU MOVED THAT TO THE 31ST.

I'M FINE -- THIS IS MY BIRTHDAY.

I WILL TELL YOU HOW SERIOUS THIS IS.

I DON'T NORMALLY COME DOWN HERE.

I HAVE MY HAT ON AND READY TO PARTY.

DWI -- SOMEBODY PICK ME UP NOW.

BUT I WANT TO KEEP IT REAL.

AND I WANT TO KEEP IT REAL.

REMEMBER THIS.

THE FORTUNE FAVORS THE BRAVE.

I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT, FORTUNE BENEFITS THE

BRAVE.

DON'T PLAYER HATING.

PLAYER HATING OUT THERE.

I AM TALKING STREET.

PLAYER HATERS KEEP PLAYING HATE.

THEY HAVE PLAYER HATERS OUT THERE.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BUT THEY WANT TO BE

IMPORTANT, OKAY.

THEY WANT TO BE IMPORTANT.

GET OUT HERE AND DO SOMETHING AND YOU CAN GET A TRAIL

BLAZER AWARD FROM CITY COUNCIL.

LET'S BE REAL.

LET'S CUT THIS NONSENSE OUT.

WHEN I LEAVE HERE, I AM GOING TO HIT IT AND PROBABLY

WAKE UP IN THE MORNING FEELING IT.

AND I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND I WANT TO THANK ALL

OUR IRISH.

A LOT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW MY GRANDFATHER WAS SCOTTISH.

AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE ON MY BIRTHDAY, MR.

GUDES.

11:06:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOLDS THE RECORD OF TRACK AT TAMPA

CATHOLIC.

11:06:44 >> 9.8.

11:06:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
9.8.

11:06:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 26.

11:07:02 >> HELLO I AM SOVEREIGN DESPOT KING QUEEN KING

JOHNNY AMERICA YAHWEH YAHIM SIAM.

AND I AM KING PRINCE HARRY'S CHILD.

NOW LET ME EXPLAIN THIS.

WHAT HAPPENED WITH UKRAINE AND HAS ALREADY BEEN WON.

SO, YEAH RUSSIA PULL OUT THEIR TROOPS.

AND WITH YOU CARRY THEM TOO.

NOW LISTEN UP, TODAY WE ARE REOPENING GOVERNMENT.

AIN'T NO CITY OF TAMPA GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS MOSCOW, GAINESVILLE LIKE WE TOLD YOU AND THE

UNITED STATES IS BEING DISSOLVED SINCE 2011.

I TOLD YOU THE CHIEF OF POLICE AN CAN'T DO ANYTHING THE

FIRST TIME BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHEN I MAKE A DECISION IT'S

FINAL.

AND ALSO, THESE GROCERY STORES DOCTOR I AM GOING TO

REOPEN THEM TODAY.

BUT LISTEN UP, Y'ALL ARE GOING TO LEARN HOW TO WORK

THIS BAR TAB.

I AM NOT OPENING NO 114 TRILLION BAR TAB FOR YOU TO SIT

THERE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ROB IT.

YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ROB IT.

TELL YOU HUE TAB WORKS.

WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS SOMETHING FROM YOUR BAR OR GROCERY

STORE YOU WILL MARK IT OFF.

THAT IS HOW YOU WORK A TAB.

NO YOU ARE NOT DRAWING ANY MONEY OFF OF IT.

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

NO YOU CAN NOT ROB IT.

TELL YOU ALL -- TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ROB STUFF.

NOW, LOOK, THOSE WHO DID BECOME WILLING VOLUNTEERS WHO

WANTED TO BECOME WORKERS.

WORKERS YOU GET PAID $3.47.

ONLY WHEN A VOLUNTEER GETS $800 AN HOUR BECAUSE THAT IS

THEIR ALLOWANCE PAID IN FULL AND ALL OF THEIR STUFF

BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DECIDED TO BE TRUE

SOVEREIGN MEMBERS NOW YOU DECIDED TO STAY DOWN WITH THE

STATE AND DON'T GIVE A DARN.

YOU ARE ONE THAT HAVE FINALIZED YOUR DECISION AT $3.47

AN HOUR.

TELL YOU ONCE I OPEN THE WINDOW I WILL LEAVE IT OPEN

FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN I AM GOING TO CLOSE IT.

NOW IT IS NOT TP, IT IS INTERNATIONAL TAMPA POLICE

DEPARTMENT AGENCY.

DEPARTMENT FOR A CLOTHING STORE.

YOU AIN'T SEE NO CLOTHES IN THERE.

AND THE COMPANY, THAT IS CIA.

AND I MAY EXPLAIN THE REST DOWNSTAIRS.

THANK YOU.

11:09:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER 27.

11:09:48 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

11:09:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STATE YOUR NAME.

11:09:51 >> AN HONOR TO BE HERE.

SCOTT BULLARD, RETIRED DETECTIVE FROM TAMPA POLICE.

I STARTED MY CAREER IN 1997.

2008 I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A JUNIOR DETECTIVE

AND WORK WITH MARY O'CONNOR.

SINCE I WORKED WITH HER, I CONTINUED ON AND WENT TO

HOMICIDE AND AFTER I RETIRED, I WENT TO THE DEPARTMENT

OF JUSTICE AND WORKED FOR THE FBI FOR THREE YEARS.

SINCE THEN, I MOVED BACK TO TAMPA.

WHEN I WORKED FOR MARY IN 2008 TO 2011, I LEARNED SHE

HAD EXCEPTIONAL LEADERSHIP SKILLS, TWO OF WHICH WAS THE

ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE AND HER COMMITMENT TO HER WORK.

WHEN SHE COMMUNICATED WITH US, SHE CREATED THIS

ATMOSPHERE OF COMPETITION AND TEAMWORK.

WOULD YOU THINK THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH UP, BUT

FASTER THIS ENVIRONMENT TO WHERE US AS DETECTIVES, WE

COMMUNICATED WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SHE ENCOURAGED US TO SPEAK AND TO TEACH ONE ANOTHER AND

TO LEARN HOW SO SOLVE CRIMES BETTER.

SHE ALSO ENCOURAGED US TO LEARN AND TRAIN.

SHE WANTED US TO BETTER OURSELVES AS DETECTIVES, AS

PATROL MEN.

TRAINING WAS ONE OF HER TOP PRIORITIES.

ALL OF US WANTED WORK ALL OF THE TIME AND MORALE WAS

HIGH.

WE REALLY ENJOY IT.

OFTENTIMES WATCHED HER COMMUNICATE WITH MANAGEMENT FROM

OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE STATE

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, FBI, ATF, U.S. MARSHAL'S SERVICE.

THE COMMUNICATION SKILLS SOLVE CASES.

THEY RECOVERED PROPERTY.

THEY LOWERED THE CRIME RATE.

THEY HELPED THE VICTIMS.

SECOND LEADERSHIP SKILLS COMMENDED.

SHE KNEW AND MEMORIZED ALL THE CASE DETAILS.

SHE WOULDN'T LEAVE A STONE UNTURNED.

DIDN'T MATTER IF THE CASE WAS BIG OR SMALL.

SHE WANTED US TO FOLLOW UP ON FINGERPRINTS, DNA, VIDEO

SURVEILLANCE, INTERVIEW WITNESSES ARE INTERVIEW

NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE.

EVERYBODY.

EVERY LEAD COUNTED.

SHE WAS ALWAYS AT WORK.

SHE ARRIVED EARLY.

SHE STAYED LATE.

CAME IN ON THE WEEKENDS, MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, HOLIDAYS,

ALL THE TIME.

SHE IS ALSO COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY.

SHE IS ATTENDED SEVERAL CRIME WATCH MEETINGS.

I HAVE BEEN WITH HER.

WE HAVE MET WITH THE MOTHERS OF MISSING CHILDREN.

WE HAVE VISITED VICTIMS TO CHECK ON THEIR WELFARE,

THEIR INJURIES, MAKE SURE THE CASE WAS DEVELOPING AND

PROGRESSING IN A WAY THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE.

SHE HAS COLLECTED DONATIONS TO REPLACE CHRISTMAS GIFTS

ON CHRISTMAS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAD THEIR CHRISTMAS GIFTS

STOLEN.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW THAT MARY O'CONNOR IS A

GREAT LEADER.

SHE HAS OPEN LINES OF COMMUNICATION AND COMMITTED NOT

ONLY TO THE POLICE BUT ALSO TO THE COMMUNITY.

MARY O'CONNOR IS THE PERFECT CANDIDATE FOR CHIEF OF

POLICE.

THANK YOU.

11:12:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER 28.

NUMBER 28.

NUMBER 28.

WE WILL MOVE ON.

CROSSED OUT SOME FOLKS HERE.

NUMBER 33.

33?

I CAN'T READ THAT.

GONZALEZ LAST NAME?

ALL RIGHT.

I DIDN'T SEE -- NUMBER 28.

11:13:17 >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.

GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN, CITY COUNCIL.

TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, IF YOU WERE WATCHING, TO MISS

O'CONNOR AS WELL.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPOINTMENT OF

MISS O'CONNOR.

11:13:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOUR NAME.

11:13:37 >> GONZALEZ MOTIERI.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO MISS O'CONNOR, NOT

ANY CONCERNS OF CONTENT OF HER CHARACTER.

I MEAN, NOBODY KNOWS MORE ABOUT SECOND CHANCES THAN I

DO.

SO I AM A BIG PROPONENT OF THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW MISS

O'CONNOR PERSONALLY.

IT WOULD BE A FALLACY ON MY PART TO JUDGE HER

ELIGIBILITY FOR THE POSITION; HOWEVER, I AM OPPOSING

HER APPOINTMENT ON THE BASIS OF THE UNILATERAL PROCESS

THAT WAS USED IN THE SELECTION.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS WRONG.

WHILE I DO BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ULTIMATELY

DOES HAVE THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST AT HEART, GIVEN ITS

CHECKERED HISTORY, I WOULD -- IT WOULD BE REMISSED IF I

DIDN'T QUESTION THE MAYOR'S OFFICE JUDGMENT ESPECIALLY

WHEN IT COMES TO CHOOSING THE NEXT CHIEF OF POLICE.

I SAY THIS BECAUSE OF THE DISGRACEFUL TENURE OF FORMER

CHIEF BRIAN DUGAN AND HIS INCLINATIONS TOWARD

AUTHORITARIANISM.

IT STINGS THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY

ONG THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITY.

THAT INCLINATION IS BEST ILLUSTRATED BY THE

DISPROPORTIONATE AND BIASED RESPONSE TO BLACK LIVES

PROTEST IN 2020.

ENCOURAGED BYSTANDERS TO USE VEHICLES AS WEAPONS.

THAT LED TO SEVERAL CITIZENS BEING HARMED BY THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

TO HARM US INSTEAD OF SERVING AND PROTECT US.

DURING THIS TIME OF NECESSARY UPHEAVAL AND THE

LEGITIMACY OF OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE BEING CALLED INTO

QUESTION.

I AM CHALLENGING THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO SERVE RESOLUTELY

ON THE SIDE OF DEMOCRACY.

LET US KNOW WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE.

IF MISS O'CONNOR IS TRULY THE BEST CANDIDATE, LET HER

QUALIFICATIONS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AS WE MEASURE THEM

ALONGSIDE THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES.

PEOPLE OF THIS CITY NEED HOPE.

AND UP TO THE PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP TO INSPIRE THAT

HOPE.

FOR THAT REASON I AM REQUESTING THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE

RETRACT THEIR UNILATERAL APPOINTMENT OF MISS O'CONNOR

AND INSTEAD OPT FOR A MORE INCLUSIVE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS

THAT INCLUDES THE INPUT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND

CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT CITY.

ALSO THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK, TOM BRADY.

11:16:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 34.

11:16:16 >> YES.

MY NAME IS KAREN PEOPLES.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS

OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AND SPEAK.

I HAVE NO TIME TO BE A LONG-DRAWN-OUT CONVERSATION WITH

YOU ALL.

I AM GOING TO GET RIGHT TO THE POINT.

MY THING IS, MARY O'CONNOR WAS SELECTED BY THE MAYOR,

BUT WE ALSO SELECTED THE MAYOR.

I CAMPAIGN FOR THE MAYOR.

I WORKED HARD FOR GIVING HER IN HER POSITION.

SO I SAY WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE HERE, MARY O'CONNOR,

DELGADO THAT WILL BE -- LEADERSHIP HERE.

AND I ALSO SAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S GO AHEAD ON

AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT BRING THESE PEOPLE

BECAUSE I MADE PRESIDENT OF CRIME WATCH NORTHEAST IN.

AND MY THING IS THAT SHE IS GOING TO BE A PART OF MY

GROUP IN REFERENCE TO HELP ME DO BETTER IN THE CITY OF

TAMPA.

THE CITY OF TAMPA IT GROWING.

AND WE NEED TO GROW WITH IT.

IF THERE IS A PROBLEM AND THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS,

MANY PROBLEMS, LET'S COME TO THE TABLE, ALL OF US, AND

MAKE A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.

AND LET'S SOLVE THE PROBLEM BY GIVING HER AN

OPPORTUNITY TO BE THAT PERSON TO HELP US SOLVE THE

PROBLEM.

I AM NOT HERE TO BADGER ANYBODY.

I CAN'T.

AND I AM NOT.

BUT I'M HERE TO SAY AS A LEADER IN THE COMMUNITY OF THE

CITY OF TAMPA, I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND ALSO SAY THAT

JANE CASTOR BEING THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS

MADE HER CHOICE, AND I AM GOING TO BACK HER CHOICE.

IF ANYBODY DON'T CARE ABOUT OR HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT

I SAY, SEE ME LATER.

BUT THE THING IS, I AM A GROWN WOMAN.

NO ONE FORCED ME TO COME HERE.

I'M HERE ON MY OWN.

BUT I AM ASKING YOU, WE HAVE NO TIME TO TALLY ON AND

DRAW -- DRAW OUT A LONG PROCESS IN REFERENCE TO WHAT WE

NEED TO DO AND MOVE FORWARD.

LET US MOVE FORWARD IN THE RIGHT WAY.

LET US ALL COME TO THE TABLE, THOSE WHO HAVE PROBLEMS.

YES, WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITIES,

BUT WE NEED TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS.

NOT JUST KEEP DRAWING OUT WITH THEM.

AND I SAY RIGHT NOW, THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME.

MARY O'CONNOR, I APPRECIATE YOU.

I APPRECIATE DELGADO.

I APPRECIATE CITY COUNCIL.

AND I ALSO PREACH GOD FOR GIVING ME THE LEADERSHIP TO

COME HERE.

11:18:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MISS PEEPLES.

NUMBER 35.

NUMBER 35?

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME XS HERE.

SO WE WILL GO TO NUMBER 41.

41.

11:19:26 >> YOU MUST HAVE SCARED EVERYBODY OFF.

LORD, THAT IS A BIG SKIP.

GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

NICE TO BE BACK IN -- IN THE HOUSE.

I STAND HERE WITH A HEAVY HEART THIS MORNING.

BECAUSE OF COUNCIL DINGFELDER'S RESIGNATION.

WE LOST THE BODY THAT WE ELECTED.

THE BULLYING OF OUR LOCAL OFFICIALS IS SICKENING.

ON OCTOBER 7, 2021, THE CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES

STATED, IF ANY CITY OFFICIAL FILES PROVIDE PUBLIC

RECORDS, THE CITY CANNOT EXPECT -- EXPEND TAXPAYER

DOLLARS TO DEFEND THAT POSITION.

IT IS ALLEGED THAT I TRADED THESE E-MAILS.

I'M HERE TO TELL YOU NO ONE EVER ASKED ME.

AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN FROM STEPHANIE POYNOR.

IT IS AMAZING BECAUSE FOUR DAYS LATER, THERE WAS A

LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST ONE OF OUR CITY COUNCILMEN.

WE OPENED UP THE FLOODGATES.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER CANNOT SERVE US AGAIN FOR ANOTHER

FIVE YEARS.

YET IN TUESDAY'S TAMPA BAY BUSINESS JOURNAL, THERE WAS

AN ARTICLE OF A ETHICS VIOLATION.

ARTICLE C-1-B OF THE ETHIC RULES STATE THAT VIOLATIONS

ARE NOT TO BE MADE PUBLIC UNTIL AFTER THE CASE IS

CLOSED.

I ASK YOU, GENTLEMEN, WHO RELEASED THOSE DOCUMENTS TO

THE PUBLIC?

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE RULES SAY.

THIS -- THIS ALLEGED ETHICS VIOLATION IS NOT SOMETHING

NEW, OKAY.

THIS NONSENSE.

I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS A WITCH HUNT.

WHY ARE WE WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS CHASING AFTER

SOMEBODY WHO IS ALREADY GONE.

AS A MEMBER OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, I FIND IT

OFFENSIVE.

AS A MEMBER OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE -- I WANT TO REMIND

EVERYONE THAT LAST FALL THE BUDGET COMMITTEE

RECOMMENDED THAT CITY COUNCIL BE GIVEN MORE FUNDS FOR

STAFF.

AND THESE GENTLEMEN AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER

SELFLESSLY TURNED DOWN THOSE FUNDS.

THEY SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO SPEND ANY MORE

MONEY ON US.

AND HERE THEY ARE WITHOUT LEGAL REPRESENTATION.

I ALSO OFFER THAT DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS' INSURANCE BE

GIVEN TO EVERY SINGLE CITY OFFICIAL WITHOUT COST TO

THEM.

THESE GENTLEMEN UP HERE MAKE $53,000 A YEAR TO DO WHAT

THEY DO.

IT'S EMBARRASSING THAT THEY HAVE TO RESIGN OR LOSE

EVERY DOLLAR THAT THEY HAVE DUE TO FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS.

GENTLEMEN, BE CAREFUL OUT THERE.

THE, I RAN THATS ARE WAITING ON THEIR NEXT VICTIM.

11:22:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MISS POYNOR.

ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER 42.

11:22:39 >> GOOD MORNING.

11:22:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING.

11:22:46 >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND A LIFELONG

RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.

A LOT OF CITIZENS DISAGREE AND WANT A LOT OF THINGS

FROM THE GOVERNMENT, ONE THING THEY HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE

IS POLITICAL GAMES AND STRUGGLES ON THE TAXPAYERS'

DIME.

IF THE CITY IS FIGHTING EACH OTHER THEY ARE NOT DOING

THEIR JOB AND WASTING OUR MONEY.

SOMEONE WITH DEEP POCKETS THREATENS OUR ELECTED

OFFICIALS FOR DOUG THEIR JOB, FOR LISTENING TO THE

CITIZENS, FOR REPRESENTING US.

IF PRO-CITIZEN, PRO-NEIGHBORHOOD, PRO-SAFETY COUNCILMEN

ARE ATTACKED FOR DOING THEIR JOB, THE CITIZENS WANT THE

CITY TO DEFEND THAT PERSON.

NOT HANG THEM OUT TO DRY.

BECAUSE IN REALITY, THE CITY IS DEFENDING US AND OUR

RIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE AND OUR RIGHT TO A VOTE AND OUR

RIGHT TO A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

I CAN TELL YOU WHAT CITIZENS HATE.

REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY OR PERSONAL BELIEFS OR

PRIORITIES, WE DON'T WANT OUR PRECIOUS TAX DOLLARS

SPENT TO PERSECUTE AND PROSECUTE SOME PETTY VIOLATION

OF SOME OBSCURE TECHNICALITY THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT OR

CARES ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS.

WE HAVE BIG PROBLEMS.

WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE STREETS.

WE HAVE A CLIMATE CRISIS THAT THREATENS OUR LIE LIVES.

WE HAVE SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE NEED STREETS PAVED AND SIDEWALKS BILL WILL AND OUR

TREES PROTECTED AND LOTS OF GOOD PARKS.

WHAT WE DO NOT NEED IS OUR TAX DOLLARS SPENT READING

THOUSANDS OF E-MAILS ABOUT SOME MEANINGLESS VIOLATION

THAT ULTIMATELY DID NOT RESULT IN A FINANCIAL BENEFIT

TO ANYONE.

THAT MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT DEFENDING THE PEOPLE'S

RIGHT TO BE REPRESENTED BY THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO

WERE UNDER ATTACK FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

WE HAVE BIG PROBLEMS.

REAL PROBLEM.

WHEN CITIZENS HEAR THAT CITY RESOURCES ARE BEING SPENT

PURSUING TOMORROW PENNY ANTE BS, WE ARE DISGUSTED.

WE AS CITIZENS WANT EVERYONE TO KNOCK IT OFF.

LEAVE YOUR EGOS AND PERSONAL SQUABBLES TO THE DOOR AND

STOP THE SELF-INDULGENT GAMES BEING PLAYED ON THE

PEOPLE'S DIME.

WE WANT OUR COUNCILMEMBERS TO VOTE WAY THEIR

CONSTITUENTS WANT THEM TO VOTE WITHOUT THE FEAR OF

FINANCIAL RUIN.

THANK YOU.

11:25:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 43.

11:25:23 >> GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS DR. STEVEN SCHWARTZ, I AM A LONG-TERM

RESIDENT OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.

I AM ALSO CURRENTLY VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF THE

ASSOCIATION OF TOWERS OF CHANNELSIDE.

I WILL BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NOISE

ORDINANCE COMING UP LATER.

FIRST, I WILL QUICKLY READ A LETTER THAT I PROMISED TO

READ SOMEONE WHO COULD NOT BE HERE.

HIS NAME IS MICHAEL LEADS.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL LEADS, AND I AM RESIDENT OF THE

TOWERS OF CHANNELSIDE AND A FORMER CHANNELSIDE CAC

BOARD MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING MY NEIGHBOR STEVEN BOARD MEMBER

STEVEN SCHWARTZ TO READ MY TESTIMONY AS I NEEDED TO BE

OUT OF TOWN FOR A MEETING AND UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS

HEARING.

I AM WRITING THIS LETTER TO SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR PASSAGE

OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ORDINANCE 22-18 --

11:26:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SIR, I AM SORRY -- DOCTOR -- THAT

ITEM NUMBER 61, THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS SET?

11:26:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY SHORTLY.

11:26:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.

11:26:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WAS JUST TOLD BY FROM MY

ADMINISTRATIVE AIDE.

MISS MCCASKILL WENT TO THE REST ROOM.

SHE CAME BACK IN.

IS SHE READY?

11:26:47 >> GOOD AFTERNOON -- OR IS IT MORNING.

11:26:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STILL MORNING.

11:26:50 >> A LONG DAY.

I AM KELLA MCCASKILL, CONCERNED CITIZEN IN TAMPA.

YOU KNOW THIS MEETING STARTED OFF -- VERY IRONIC, IT

STARTED OFF REGARDING PROCESS.

PROCESS.

SOMETHING WE HEAR THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE BY EACH AND

EVERY DAY.

YOU CAN'T USURP YOUR AUTHORITY.

YOU CAN'T MISUSE IT, YOU CAN'T GET EXCEPTIONS.

THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE THAT.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.

NOT A PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN ADHERED TOO.

IT IS UNFORTUNATELY THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS NOT

HERE TODAY BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE PROCESS VIOLATED EVEN

THEM AND HIS RIGHTS AS HE DEFEND THIS COMMUNITY, A VERY

HARD-WORKING CITY COUNCILMAN.

HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY BECAUSE HE WAS A PART OF

WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO A VIOLATE PROCESS.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT TODAY DISLIKE OR LIKE FOR THIS

NOMINATED CHIEF.

IT IS NONE OF THAT.

IT IS ABOUT THE DISRESPECT AND THE FAILURE TO FOLLOW

PROCESS.

ABOUT THE LACK OF TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.

A LACK OF TRUST FOR THE STAFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION

FROM THE COMMUNITY.

SO NOT USING YOUR AUTHORITY TO SAY NO TODAY WILL HURT

US EVEN FURTHER.

IT WILL BE MORE -- NO SEPARATION OF POWER.

IT CAN LEAD TO MORE RESIGNATION.

COULD LEAD TO MORE HANNA STREET OOPS.

IT COULD LEAD TO FORCING PURE.

IT COULD LEAD TO IGNORING THE GREATEST CRISIS WE HAVE

IN THIS CITY, FAILURE TO SAY NO USING YOUR AUTHORITY

FOR PROCESS.

AND THEN I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD -- AND I

HAVE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE.

I NEVER HEARD OF A FELON BEING ABLE TO BECOME A POLICE

OFFICER.

I AM NOT SURE IF THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED TODAY OR FOR

THE PURPOSES OF THIS RECENT REQUEST TO NOMINATE A

FELON.

I HAVE TO CALL IT WHAT IT IS.

IT IS A FELON.

I DON'T KNOW ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS A CITIZEN IN THIS

CITY THAT WAS ABLE TO APPLY AND BECOME AN OFFICER, LET

ALONE BE ELEVATED TO ITS HIGHEST OFFICE.

IT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

NOT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

WE CAN NOT ACCEPT THAT BEHAVIOR FROM THE

ADMINISTRATION.

WE CAN'T DO IT.

YOU CAN'T DO IT AND ALL THAT IS ASKING YOU TO DO IS

HEAR US AND RESPOND AS LEADERS TODAY AND SAY NO.

THANK YOU.

11:29:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, NUMBER 50.

NUMBER 50.

51.

IS 50 HERE?

11:29:19 >> YOU SAID 50?

11:29:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GOING BY THE LIST AND THEN OTHER

PEOPLE TO SPEAK, I WILL TAKE THOSE PEOPLE AFTER THAT.

51.

11:29:32 >> HI, MY NAME IS VALERIE BULLOCK.

I AM A THIRD GENERATION HOMEOWNER IN EACH TAMPA.

AND I AM NOT AGAINST THE PERSON.

IT IS THE PROCESS THAT I AM AGAINST DEALING WITH THE

MAYOR.

IT HAS BEEN NOT TRANSPARENT AND AT TIMES SHE LACKS

INTEGRITY AND I CAN BACK IT UP WITH FACTS.

WHEN SHE WAS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE FOR THE CITIZEN

ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR DEALING WITH THE POLICE

COMPLAINTS.

SHE SAID IF SOMEONE HAD BEEN ARRESTED, YOU COULD NOT BE

ON THAT BOARD.

SO HERE WE IS AGAIN.

DOES THAT JUST GO FOR THE CITIZENS, CERTAIN CITIZENS OF

TAMPA?

OR DO IT GO FOR ALL CITIZENS OF TAMPA AND I AM ALSO A

WASTEWATER SUPERVISOR FOR THE CITY OF LAKELAND AND

ENVIRONMENTAL TRAINER.

I HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR PEOPLE OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD

TO BE WASTEWATER OPERATORS TO GET THE CHANCE TO GET A

SIX-FIGURE INCOME EVERYWHERE I GO, THE DOOR IS SHUT IN

MY FACE.

THEY ARE FELON.

THEY THIS.

THEY THAT.

SO TODAY, WE THROW OUT THE RED CARPET FOR SECOND

CHANCES.

IS THAT JUST FOR TODAY?

IS IT JUST FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE?

OR IS IT FOR ALL PEOPLE?

AND LIKE EVERYBODY SAY, WE ALL HAVE MADE MISTAKES.

YES, WE HAVE.

BUT WHY IS IT THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN OVERCOME THEIR

MISTAKES.

BUT THE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN EAST TAMPA, THEY

GET BEAT DOWN WITH THEIR MISTAKE.

THAT IS IT.

THANK YOU.

11:31:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, OUT OF NUMBERS NOW.

IF YOU LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.

WE ARE OUT OF NUMBERS, AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, IF YOU

WANT TO SPEAK, ONE AT A TIME AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO

SPEAK.

11:31:36 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS SHAKENYA BURRIEN,

I'M A MOTHER OF TWO BOYS, TWO BOYS AGES 7 AND TWO MONTHS.

I HAVE BEEN A TAMPA RESIDENT FOR 30 YEARS.

MARCH 2020, I WAS EXPOSED TO COVID FORCING ME TO APPLY

FROM UNEMPLOYMENT AND FINANCIAL ASSISTANT FROM

DIFFERENT AGENCIES.

I RECEIVED RENTAL ASSISTANCE WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES

AND HIT WITH THE BACKLASH FROM MY LEASING COMPANY IN

MID-JANUARY OF 2020 THAT I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RENEW

MY LEASE AS A TENANT BECAUSE I HAD RECEIVED TOO MUCH

RENTAL ASSISTANCE WHICH FORCED ME TO RELOCATE MY FAMILY

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.

SINCE JANUARY, I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING AND

APPLYING FOR DIFFERENT APARTMENTS WITH THE CONSTANT

WORRY IF I WILL BE ABLE TO LOCATE ONE, IF IT IS

AFFORDABLE, WITHIN MY BUDGET.

I WANT TO LIVE IN A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIVE

COMFORTABLY.

APARTMENTS ARE ASKING FOR $1500 TO $1800 FOR A TWO

BEDROOM OR THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENT BUILDING WITH NO

ENITIES AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THREE TIMES THE RENT TO

QUALIFY.

I LOCATED AN APARTMENT WHICH RENT WAS $1595 FOR A

TWO-BEDROOM, ONE BATH WITH 895 SQUARE FEET.

I WOULD -- I WOULD NEED TO HAVE A MONTHLY INCOME OF

$4785 A MONTH JUST TO FALL PHI WITH THE RENT TO PAY OF

$19 AN HOUR.

AND 40 HOURS A WEEK, BRINGING IN A TOTAL OF $2680 A

MONTH AFTER TAXES, I DON'T QUALIFY.

I STILL HAVE THE COST OF CHILD CARE, ELECTRIC, CAR

PAYMENT, WATER, FOOD.

THIS IS A CRISIS AND WE NEED RENT STABILIZATION.

NOT AS THE SOLUTION AS PART OF THE SOLUTION.

EVERY COMMUNITY DESERVES JUSTICE ON EVERY BLOCK.

THIS IS MY STORY.

AND, AGAIN, THIS IS THE CRISIS.

RENT IS GOING UP, BUT WAGES AREN'T.

THANK YOU.

11:33:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NEXT SPEAKER.

11:33:49 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

11:33:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING.

STATE YOUR NAME.

11:33:56 >> MY NAME IS ROBIN LOCKETT AND SWITCHING THE GEARS

HERE A LITTLE BIT AROUND RENT STABILIZATION.

RENTS STABILIZATION IS A MUST.

WE APPRECIATE THE $5 MILLION, BUT THAT IS JUST A DROP

IN THE BUCKET.

A LONG-TERM ISSUE THAT DESERVES LONG-TERM ACTIONS AN

POLICY CHANGES.

THE COMMUNITY -- THE COMMUNITY DESERVES THAT.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR?

WHEN THE MONEY RUNS OUT.

THE RENT WILL STILL BE HIGHER AND THE WAGES WILL REMAIN

THE SAME.

THIS HAS BEEN A CRISIS FOR THE POOR WORKING-CLASS

WORKING TWO TO THREE JOBS TO MAKE ENDS MEET.

NOW THAT IT IS AFFECTING OTHERS, IT IS IDENTIFIED AS A

CRISIS.
DEVELOPERS AND DEVELOPMENT SHOULD NOT BE THE FOREFRONT

IN MAKING DECISIONS.

THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE FIRST.

THERE IS A NEED TO PROTECT ALL PEOPLE.

PROFIT DOES NOT VOTE, PEOPLE DO.

SO THAT IS MY STATEMENT AROUND RENT STABILIZATION.

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE TODAY AROUND THE CHIEF.

THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CHIEF.

I THINK THAT TRANSPARENCY IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND IF I AM A CITIZEN AND I DON'T FOLLOW THAT PROCESS,

I DON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE.

NO ONE IS REFUTING THE FACT THAT THE APPOINTED CHIEF

GOT A SECOND CHANCE, BUT IN THE BLACK COMMUNION, THAT

DOESN'T HAPPEN.

SO TO ASK US TO LOOK AT THINGS FROM THAT STANDPOINT IS

IRRELEVANT.

BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THAT SECOND CHANCE -- CHANCE.

ASK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FINDING OUT RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE

HAD CHARGES THAT THEY CAN'T GET RID OF.

AND THEY CAN NO LONGER GET A JOB.

THEY ARE SUFFERING.

THEY CAN'T EVEN GET AN APARTMENT.

THEY ARE SUFFERING.

SO THINGS ARE HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD.

I AM SORRY THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS NO LONGER

HERE.

BUT -- AND THIS -- AND THIS AREA IS PACKED WITH POLICE

OFFICER.

CITY OF TAMPA MONEY SITTING RIGHT HERE FOR TWO TO THREE

HOURS.

RIGHT?

SO YOU DO WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS WANT TO YOU DO.

WE ELECTED YOU TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

11:36:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

ANYONE FROM PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY?

ANYONE ELSE?

COME ON, MISS SALLY.

11:36:43 >> GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU.

FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

I AM SALLYISE LEE, THE MISSIONARY SOCIETY.

AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT ALL THE LADIES HAVE

SAID, BUT THAT DOES NOT ADD ANYTHING TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I AM WORKING TO OPEN A COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER, THE

VOLUNTEER MISSIONARY SOCIETY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE

AN APPOINTMENT TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE VOLUNTEER

MISSIONARY SOCIETY.

BECAUSE STUFF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY

LIKE MISS ROBIN SAID NEVER GET ADDRESSED.

AND NEED SECOND CHANCES LIKE MYSELF FROM 25 YEARS AGO.

I AM A PARARESEARCH SPECIALIST.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO LAW SCHOOL.

I ONLY HAVE TWO YEARS LEFT.

LIKE SHE SAID, I CAN'T GET A JOB 25 YEARS.

IT'S AWFUL.

BUT I STILL VOLUNTEER.

AND I STILL LEARN EVERY DAY WHAT MY COMMUNITY NEEDS.

AND I WANT YOU ALL TO MEET WITH ME AND LET ME EXPLAIN

IT TO YOU SO MAYBE YOU ALL WILL SUPPORT A COMMUNITY

CENTER THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR LIVES.

SO I FORGET MY SPEECH THIS MORNING WHEN GOD KEEPS YOU

UP ALL THE TIME, YOU -- EVERYTHING.

HE REQUIRES YOU TO WORK HARD FOR HIM WHENEVER HE CALLS.

HE EXPECTS YOU TO GET UP AND RISE UP AND LISTEN TO WHAT

HE HAS TO SAY.

AND THAT IS WHAT I DO.

IN WAS A LONG JOURNEY.

WHERE YOU CAN'T GET ANY MONEY FOR ANYTHING.

WE ALL NEED SECOND CHANCES.

WE ALL HAVE BEEN WILDING.

REBELLIOUS SOMEWHERE IN OUR LIVES.

I RAISED 12 KIDS SUCCESSFULLY.

THEY ALL TEXT AND GONE.

SO IT'S ME NOW.

AND I WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS DREAM OF OPENING A

COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WILL MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.

EVEN THE GOVERNOR DESANTIS WHEN I WROTE TO HIM AND I --

I WAS TELLING HIM ABOUT THE DISTRAUGHT IT BRINGS TO THE

YOUNG PEOPLE WITH THE FCAT.

YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE AS A KID.

YOU GET HELD BACK.

MY GRANDDAUGHTER.

SHE IS SO SMART.

SHE SAID GRANNY, WILL I EVER MAKE TO FOURTH GRADE.

I SAID I HOPE, THE FCAT.

WE NEED TO REMOVE THE INJUSTICE AND BLOCKADE OF MONEY

IN OUR COMMUNITY SO WE CAN STAND TALL AND BE ALL WE CAN

BE.

THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND GOD IS WATCHING US AND HOW

WE ARE DOING THINGS AND HE IS NOT REALLY HAPPY.

I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

AND I WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU ALL

ABOUT THE VOLUNTEER MISSIONARY SOCIETY FUND.

IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:39:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?

11:39:44 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD MORNING.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON -- MY NAME IS JAMES FELTON, JR.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON -- I AM A TAMPA RESIDENT AND I

BELIEVE THAT -- EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A DESIRE --

JUSTICE ON EVERY BLOCK IN THE COMMUNITY.

I HAVE SEEN MY RENT GO UP EVERY YEAR.

I STRUGGLE TO PAY RENT.

AND MY LANDLORD OFFERED TO HELP ME.

AND I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO HELP.

SHE SAID SHE WAS GIVING ME -- IF I GAVE HER THE KEYS,

SHE WOULD HELP ME TO FIND ANOTHER APARTMENT, WHICH SHE

DIDN'T.

SHE COLLECTED MY THINGS AND SAID I HAVE ONE HOUR TO

MOVE OUT.

ONE HOUR.

I GAVE HER BOTH KEYS AND SHE SAID WHEN I GAVE HER BOTH

KEYS, SHE SAID NOW WHERE ARE YOUR FRIENDS NOW?

WHERE ARE THE TRUCK TO COME GET YOU NOW IN ONE HOUR.

I WAS WALKING DOWN THE STREET THAT SAME DAY AND WHERE

TO GO.

I WAS DISABLED.

I HAD NOWHERE TO GO.

SO I HAD $8 IN ORDER TO GET SOMEWHERE TO THE HOTEL

WHICH ONE OF THE RESIDENTS AT WAFFLE HOUSE ASKED ME --

SAID IF YOU GIVE ME THE $8, I HAVE AN UBER TO TAKE YOU

WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

I AM THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT NEVER HAPPENED TO ME IN

HIGH LIFE.

SO I WANT TO KNOW IF -- IF YOU CAN DO ANYTHING -- I

KNOW WE ALL HAVE A SECOND CHANCE TO HELP THE ONES THAT

REALLY ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND

OF EDUCATION THEY MAY HAVE OR WHAT GOD MAY HAVE IN

STORE FOR YOU.

I HAD TO DEPEND ON MY FAMILY WHICH I HAVE ONE FAMILY

NOW.

NONE OF MY FAMILY HERE, BUT SEPARATION SINCE THE

SEMINAR KILLER -- MY BROTHER HAD GOT KILLED.

AND BECAUSE I ONLY HAD -- IT -- I STAY WITH A RELATIVE

AND SOMETIMES I WALK THE STREET AT NIGHT BECAUSE HE HAS

HIS -- IT IS JUST NOT LIKE HAVING YOUR OWN THINGS BY

YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, TO HELP BY LIVING I USED TO BE

MARRIED AND LOST MY WIFE NINE YEARS AGO.

I ASK TO PLEASE HELP -- NOT JUST ME BUT EVERYBODY.

WE ARE WORKING FORWARD TOOR FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.

THANK GOD FOR THE MAYOR FOR 4 MILLION.

I WOULD HAVE TAKEN 1 MILLION, I WOULD HAVE TAKEN A

LUNCH.

I'M HERE TO SAY PLEASE HELP US.

MAY NOT SEEM LIKE MUCH, BUT A LOT MORE THAT I AM NOT

SAYING.

THANK YOU, SIR.

11:42:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE IN ANYONE ON THE SECOND

FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

11:42:19 >> NO ONE ON SECOND FLOOR.

11:42:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

CHIEF BENNETT, WILL YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR YOUR

PRESENTATION?

IT IS GOING ON MAYBE 20 MINUTES.

ARE WE GOOD?

11:42:32 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, JOHN BENNETT,

CHIEF OF STAFF.

I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PRESENTATION IN LESS

THAN 30 MINUTES.

IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

11:42:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL PROCEED, SIR.

11:42:44 >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL, TAMPA

COMMUNITY.

TODAY WE PRESENT MARY O'CONNOR BY WAY OF A RESOLUTION

FOR CONFIRMATION BY CITY COUNCIL AS PRESCRIBED.

WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT OBLIGATION TODAY TO SUSTAIN THE

STATE'S AGENCY TWO DECADES LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT

LOWERED CRIME BY 80%.

REDUCING ARRESTS BY 74%.

WHICH OUTPERFORMS ALL MAJOR JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE.

WE SEE BY LOWERING CRIME, WE LOWER ARRESTS.

BY LOWERS ARRESTS WE CREATE OPPORTUNITY AND LEADS TO

JOBS AND THOSE JOBS LEAD TO AN INCREASED QUALITY OF

LIFE.

MAYOR CASTOR'S COMMITMENT TO A NATIONAL SEARCH AND DUE

DILIGENCE LEADING INTO MARY'S APPOINTMENT IS FOLLOWED

BY THE PRESCRIBED PROCESS OF PRESENTING MARY TO COUNCIL

FOR CONFIRMATION.

MARY WAS VETTED BY OVER 100 YEARS OF COMBINED LAW

ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE AND INTRODUCED AND REINTRODUCED

TO HUNDREDS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS LEADING TO TODAY.

AS THE CHAIRMAN HAS STATED AND I CAN CONTEST A

DEPARTMENT THAT OPERATES IN THIS LEVEL OF A

PARAMILITARY ORGANIZATION NEEDS DYNAMIC AND SUCCESSIVE

LEADERSHIP TO NOT ONLY BE THE CHIEF BUT SUSTAIN TO

PREPARE THE NEXT CHIEF TO TAKE OVER ONE DAY.

I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOU AND TURN IT OVER TO MARY

O'CONNOR FOR COMMENTS AND AGAIN SOMETHING THAT WOULD

RESONATE TO THE CHAIRMAN AGAIN WHO SERVED IN THIS

PUBLIC SAFETY CAPACITY.

WHILE MANY OF US WENT THROUGH THE INITIAL ACADEMY, MINE

WAS ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO.

AND TRAINING TO BECOME OFFICERS, WE WERE TOLD NOT TO

GET EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED IN OUR JOB.

SOME OF US OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES REALIZED IT IS

JUST THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.

WE HAVE TO LEARN TO CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THE

POLICE OFFICERS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

MARY O'CONNOR EMBRACES THE CARING OF THE OFFICERS AND

THE COMMUNITY AS THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON TO LEAD THE

TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH ITS CHAPTER OF POLICE

COMMUNITY, SUCCESS AND TRUST BUILDING.

I THANK YOU.

AND NOW I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MARY.

11:44:47 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

TODAY IT IS A GREAT HONOR FOR ME TO COME BEFORE YOU.

I HAVE BEEN NOMINATED TO BECOME THE NEXT TAMPA POLICE

CHIEF.

AND I WOULD BE HUMBLED IF GIVEN THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR

YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR CONFIRMATION.

FOR ME, LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS A CALLING, NOT A JOB OR A

PROFESSION.

AND 28 YEARS AGO, I WAS CALLED TO THE CITY OF TAMPA TO

SERVE THE CITIZENS.

I AM NOT YET DONE SERVING.

I DEEPLY CARE ABOUT THIS CITY, THE PEOPLE THAT CALL IT

HOME.

IN THE PAST FIVE WEEKS HAVE HELPED ME STRENGTHEN

EXISTING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE VERY MEMBERS OF THIS

CITY THAT CALL IT HOME.

I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BUILD NEW RELATIONSHIPS ALSO

ALONG THE WAY.

AS REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IT IS

CRITICAL FOR THE POLICE CHIEF TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH

CITY COUNCIL.

SO THAT TOGETHER WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS A

VOICE IN THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOW IT OPERATES.

TODAY, WE HEARD FROM MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND THEY HAD SEVERAL CONCERNS.

WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS COMMUNITY TO HAVE A

VOICE AT THE TABLE SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP

WITH REAL SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS.

I AM COMMITTED TO WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOU TO ACHIEVE

OUR GOALS.

AS THE NEXT CHIEF, I WANT TO REMAIN HYPER FOCUSED ON

MY FOUR PRIORITIES.

NUMBER ONE, I WANT TO WORK SIDE BY SIDE WITH ALL

COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

NUMBER TWO, I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE TAMPA POLICE

DEPARTMENT OFFICERS HAVE A VERY ROBUST SAFETY AND

WELLNESS PROGRAM AVAILABLE TO THEM.

NUMBER THREE, I WANT TO REDUCE VIOLENT CRIME, BUT I

ALSO WANT TO REDUCE ALL CRIME.

AND NUMBER FOUR, I BELIEVE IN HAVING A STRONG QUALITY

ASSURANCES PLATFORM IN PLACE TO ENSURE EVERYONE IN THIS

CITY IS TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT THAT THEY

DESERVE.

AS I HAVE LEARNED FROM MY WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF

JUSTICE AND THE FBI, IT IS CRITICAL THAT THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT NOT ONLY SOLVE CRIME BUT IDENTIFY THE ROOT

CAUSES OF CRIME AND WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS INCLUDING

SOCIAL SERVICES TO ADDRESS THOSE ROOT CAUSES.

NOT ONLY DOES ADDRESSING THE ROOT CAUSES PREVENT CRIME,

IT EASES THE BURDEN ON OUR OFFICERS AND PROVIDES

FAMILIES WITH SERVICES AND HELP THAT THEY SO TRULY

NEED.

I AM SURROUNDED BY A TERRIFIC TEAM TO LEAD THE TAMPA

POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH ASSISTANT CHIEFS BERCAW AND

BUTCH DELGADO.

I VERY TRULY VALUE BUTCH AND ALL HE HAS DONE TO KEEP

THIS AGENCY MOVING FORWARD AS THE INTERIM CHIEF.

HE WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE IN THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP AS WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO

ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS.

I HAVE 22 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE MOVING UP THROUGH THE

RANK AT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I RETIRED AS THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE FIVE YEARS

AGO.

AND IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, I HAVE LEARNED AND SHARED

BEST PRACTICES IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSION AROUND

THE UNITED STATES.

I AM VERY EXCITED FOR THE BRIGHT FUTURE OF THE TAMPA

POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SERVING IN COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE.

AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE BEFORE YOU

TODAY.

THANK YOU.

11:48:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS.

WE WILL GO THIS WAY.

WE WILL GO WITH MR. MIRANDA.

11:48:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I WANT TO SAY THAT THE PROCESS THAT I HAVE SEEN HERE

TODAY IS VERY DEMOCRATIC.

PEOPLE FROM ALL SIDES OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND SPEAK AND HOW THEY FELT PERSONALLY.

AND THAT MEANS A LOT TO ALL OF US ON THIS SIDE OF THE

DAIS.

SO ALL THOSE WHO CAME UP TODAY, THE 50 SOME, I

APPRECIATE YOU SAYING HOW YOU FELT WHETHER FOR OR

AGAINST.

AND THAT IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS ALL ABOUT.

THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL CONTEST.

AND EVEN IN POLITICAL CONTESTS, THERE ARE REALLY NO

LOSERS.

SOME GET ELECTED AND SOME GET NOT ENOUGH VOTES.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DAIS AND SOME OF US GOT ELECTED THE

FIRST GO.

SOME OF US DIDN'T GET ELECTED THE FIRST GO.

SOME OF US DIDN'T GET ELECTED SECOND GO.

AND SOME OF US BARELY MADE IT ON THE THIRDS GO.

11:49:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH.

11:49:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT I AM SAYING THAT THE PROCESS

WE ARE GOING THROUGH IS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE

INDIFFERENCE.

DON'T GET ME WRONG WHEN I SAY THE SAME THING AS US.

WHEN OUR DEDICATED POLICE OFFICER -- AND WE HAVE MANY.

I THINK THAT IS WHY THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS GONE DOWN

IMMENSELY IN CRIME YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

ONE OF THE LEADERS IN THE COUNTRY.

WITH RESPECT TO HAVE CITIZENS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR POSITION IN LIFE.

WHY ARE PEOPLE MOVING HERE?

SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, IT IS ABOUT YOUR SPORTS.

MAYBE THERE ARE SOME THAT MOVE HERE BECAUSE OF SPORTS.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT IS VERY MINIMAL.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT A CITY THAT HAS OPPORTUNITIES FOR

GROWTH.

OPPORTUNITIES FOR JOBS.

WE NEVER HAD TECH COMPANIES HERE.

WE NEVER HAD MUCH OF ANYTHING.

WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AND YOU START REALIZING WHERE WERE

YOU WHEN YOU STARTED THIS PROCESS AND BACK TO THE 70S

WITH MAYOR POPE.

I WORKED WITH FIVE DIFFERENT MAYORS.

WE HAVE SAID IT BEFORE.

THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.

THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THINGS.

THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES.

AND THEY HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON, AND THAT COMMON BOND

IS WHEN THEY LEAVE THE CITY, THEY WANT TO LEAVE THE

CITY BETTER THAN WHEN THEY GOT IT.

THAT COMPETITION TO ALWAYS STEP FORWARD AND MAKING IS

BETTER IS NOT EASY.

THOSE MAYORS HAVE ALWAYS WORKED WHETHER WE REALIZE IT

OR NOT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SATURDAY.

DOWNTOWN FEW YEARS AGO WAS NOTHING.

THEY HAD MAYBE 605 PEOPLE LIVING HERE.

600 OF THEM WERE IN JAIL.

OPT OTHER FIVE WERE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET IN JAIL.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT YBOR CITY, YBOR CITY WAS NOT MUCH

EITHER.

YBOR CITY HAD THREE THINGS.

NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS ORDER WAY BACK.

NOT NOW.

DRUGS, PROSTITUTION AND TUMBLEWEEDS.

IT WASN'T UNTIL MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WERE INVESTED IN

THERE TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A NEW BUILDING BUILT IN YBOR CITY IN

YEARS.

NOW THERE IS A NEW BUILDING IN MOST PLACES GOING UP AT

ALL TIMES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN, HOW MANY TALL BUILDINGS

HAVE COME UP?

LATELY NONE OR BIG, BIG BUILDINGS FOR COMMERCIAL.

BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, SQUARE

FOOTAGE BUILDING DOWNTOWN IN THE LAST 25 YEARS, WHICH

DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME TO VISIT,

THEY STAY.

THEY LIKE IT.

YOU SEE, WE GOT RID OF ONE SQUAD.

AND THAT WAS A SQUAD THAT PUT DOWN THE SIDEWALKS AND

TOOK THEM UP AT 5:00 IN THE EVENING BECAUSE NO ONE

WALKING IN THEM.

DOWNTOWN WAS DEAD.

LOOK AT IT NOW.

USED TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE THIS LOT OR ANY OTHER LOT

WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING BECAUSE NO CARS DRIVING.

NOW YOU GOT TO BE ALL TOO CAREFUL.

AND THE CITY HAS GROWN AND HAS BECOME A BETTER PLACE TO

LIVE.

WHY DO PEOPLE RELOCATE.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU NOT FOR SPORTS 37 NOT EVEN FOR TOP

FIVE.

OPPORTUNITY, EDUCATION AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND LET ME GET THE HELL OUT OF THE SNOW.

SO WHEN YOU SEE, WE ONLY HAVE TWO SEASONS IN TAMPA.

THAT IS SUMMER AND CHRISTMAS.

AND IF PEOPLE WANT THAT WHEN YOU ARE MY AGE AND OLDER,

PEOPLE FROM NEW YORK, PEOPLE FROM THE NEW ENGLAND

STATES, MICHIGAN, OHIO.

THEY LOVE TO BE HERE.

I WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

IT IS INCUMBENT ON US TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

AND I THINK WE HAVE.

WE HAVE HEARD A LOT FROM BOTH SIDES.

AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, MR.

CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

11:53:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OF COURSE YOU ARE THE LEGEND OF THIS

COUNCIL.

YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND I HAVE UNDER FIRE.

AND I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

MR. VIERA.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

11:53:44 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I APPRECIATE THOSE WHO CAME OUT NOT ONLY OUT TODAY BUT

SENT E-MAILS AND CALLS.

I TRY TO BE VERY ENGAGING THE INQUIRIES.

BY THE WAY, Y'ALL, I AM GOING TO SPEAK FROM THE HEART.

I ALWAYS TRY TO SPEAK FROM THE HEART.

WE ARE HERE AS CITY COUNCIL EVERY DAY, BUT ESPECIALLY

TODAY, TO NOT ONLY SPEAK FROM THE HEART AND CALL BALLS

AND STRIKES.

IF I TICK OFF ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER AND BOTH SIDES IN

CALLING BALLS AND STRIKES IT IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO DO

THAT.

I THANK EVERYBODY FOR REACHING OUT BY E-MAIL, BY CALLS,

DIFFERENT WAYS, ETC.

YOU KNOW I PROMISE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING ON THIS I

WOULD BE FAIR.

THAT I WOULD BE REASONABLE.

THAT I WOULD APPLY SCRUTINY, RIGHT -- NO SEE CELT AND

SOME OF THE COMMENTS COME TODAY THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF

CHALLENGES AND WE GOT TO GET ON TRACK.

SOMETHING THAT SOME FOLKS TALKED ABOUT WAS THE WELL

GOING OF FIRST RESPONDERS IN THIS CASE, TAMPA POLICE

DEPARTMENT AND OUR ABILITY TO FIGHT CRIME, TO ENGAGE

THE COMMUNITY, TO SUPPORT VICTIMS OF CRIME AND GET

EVERYTHING ON TRACK.

FOR ME, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ALWAYS HAS BEEN VERY

IMPORTANT.

A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE TALKED ABOUT CHIEF DELGADO.

A GREAT MAN.

A GREAT MAN.

THE -- THE SENTIMENTS THAT WERE EXPRESSED, RIGHT, WHEN

THE DECISION WAS MADE BY THE ADMINISTRATION SPEAK TO

WHAT A GREAT MAN HE IS.

I HAVE MADE REMARKS IN THAT REGARD BEFORE.

I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN DISPUTE HERE

AND I AM GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK THE PROCESS -- A LOT

OF FOLKS TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS.

I WANT TO DEFINE WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THE PROCESS IN A

LITTLE BIT BUT THE PROCESS HAS IN EFFECT UNDERMINED AND

WHICH IS WE ARE DEALING WITH A STRONG WOMAN.

WE ARE DEALING WITH A GOOD WOMAN WHO IS DEDICATED

ALMOST A QUARTER CENTURY TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT,

RIGHT.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE RECORD OF MARY O'CONNOR, I AM THE

KIND OF PERSON WHO I SAY THANK YOU TO PEOPLE WHO PUT

THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY.

WEATHER IT IS THE MILITARY, FIRE FIGHTERS OR COPS.

WE OUGHT TO SAY THANK YOU.

WE SHOULD SAY THANK YOU TO MARY O'CONNOR FOR HER

SERVICE 110%.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS IN DISPUTE.

A RECORD SHE SHOULD BE PROUD OF.

I SEE HER FAMILY HERE.

A RECORD THAT HER SON, DAUGHTER AND HUSBAND SHOULD BE

PROUD OF AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE.

BUT WE WOULD ALSO, AGAIN, CALLING BALL AND STRIKES.

THERE IS THE PROCESS.

PROCESS.

THE RESPONSE WE HAVE SEEN FROM MEMBERS OF THE

COMMUNITY, RIGHT, SOME OF WHOM BEGAN WITH SOME MORE

CAUSTIC RESPONSES THAT KIND OF COME TO THE MIDDLE SPEAK

TO A PROCESS THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, MISHANDLED.

I BELIEVE IT WAS MISHANDLED WHETHER ENGAGING TO TAMPA

CITY COUNCIL ON CERTAIN ISSUES, CHALLENGES IN PARTS OF

WEST TAMPA, ETSD.

I THINK THAT PROCESS WAS MISHANDLED, RIGHT.

MY POSITION IS THAT WE CAN DIVORCE THAT PROCESS WHICH

HAS BEEN MISHANDLED THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THROUGH

CHANGES, RIGHT.

THERE ARE LEGAL CHANGES THAT CAN HAPPEN, ETC.

THERE ARE LESSON THAT CAN BE LEARNED FROM THIS THAT WE

SHOULD SPEAK OF.

AGAIN, NOT JUST LESSONS LEARNED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS BUT

LESSONS TO BE HEARD IN PUBLIC.

THAT WE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN

CLEARLY MISHANDLED.

AND BY THE WAY, IF SOMEBODY SAYS THE PROCESS HAS BEEN

MISHANDLED, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.

I THINK IT HAS BEEN, 110%.

I THINK IT HAS BEEN.

BUT HAS NO DIRECT BEARING ON THIS WOMAN'S RECORD AND

HOW WE SHOULD REACT IN THAT REGARD.

YOU KNOW A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT MRS. O'CONNOR,

CHIEF-NOMINEE O'CONNOR AND HER RECORD.

I THINK WE NEED TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE PROCESS AND

THE VERY, VERY GOOD RECORD OF THIS WOMAN.

I THINK THERE IS A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO ASK

OURSELVES, WHICH IS, NUMBER ONE, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE

THAT ACKNOWLEDGES HER REMARKABLE CAREER WITH TPD.

A VOTE THAT RESPECTS HER RECORD.

BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CALL THAT RECORD INTO TASK FOR

THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN CLEARLY MISHANDLED.

I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT.

ANOTHER BIG ISSUE IS -- AND I HAVE 30 SECONDS, IS

DEESCALATION OF WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF

TAMPA.

DEALING WITH ISSUES IN A RESPONSIBLE, CALM WAY, THE

REASONABLENESS, THROUGH LEADERSHIP, BY BEING CALM, ETC.

WE CAN ALL -- ALL SIX OF US WORKING WITH THE

ADMINISTRATION CAN DEAL WITH THE ISSUES OF THE PROCESS

RESPONSIBLY.

I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT WHILE NOT UNDERMINING, IN

EFFECT, -- OR EFFECT THIS WOMAN'S RECORD.

THANK YOU, SIR.

11:58:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

11:58:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAVE TO DISCUSS ON SO MANY LEVELS WHAT IS GOING ON IN

FRONT OF US TODAY.

I AM NOT GOING TO BE KIND ON SOME OF THEM.

THE STRONGEST PERSON IN THIS ROOM, BUTCH DELGADO.

BUTCH, THANK YOU FOR SERVING THE PEOPLE.

AND THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THE WAY YOU HAVE DONE FOR ALL THESE YEARS.

I AM HOPING ONE DAY I AM SITTING ON THIS DAIS WHEN YOUR

TIME COMES.

THANK YOU, MY FRIEND.

IN ALL THE CALLS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED, AND I AM SURE

THAT WE ALL HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, A

CAUCASIAN WOMAN SAID TO ME, COUNCILMAN CITRO, MY PICK

WOULD HAVE BEEN DELGADO BECAUSE HE SPEAKS SPANISH.

THE POPULATION IN THIS CITY IS RISING FASTER THAN ANY

OTHER POPULATION AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MAJOR ASSET

FOR ANY CHIEF OF POLICE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

MISS O'CONNOR, YOU AND I HAVE MET ON SEVERAL TIMES.

AND THE SECOND TIME WE MET, I WAS VERY HARSH ON YOU.

AND I TRIED TO GIVE YOU ADVICE.

FIRST THING I SAID IS, MARY, YOU NEED TO STEP BACK.

YOU NEED TO REGROUP.

YOU NEED TO GET RECLASSIFIED.

YOU NEED TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

YOU NEED TO TOUCH BASE WITH RELIGION ORGANIZATIONS.

YOU NEED TO TOUCH BASE WITH ALL THE CHAMBERS.

YOU NEED TO GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU TOLD ME WAS NO, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

MARY, YOU HAVE DONE THE CHECKLIST.

YOU HAVE GONE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

YOU HAVE GONE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

YOU HAVE GONE TO THE CHAMBERS.

I GAVE YOU NAMES.

YOU ARE REINSTATED, CLASSIFIED.

THAT'S A MESSAGE.

MR. CHAIR, I AM GATHERING MORE THOUGHTS HERE.

YOU HAVE A STELLAR RECORD, MS. O'CONNOR.

I HAVE ALWAYS -- AND I SAID THIS IN THE PAST AND THERE ARE

MANY PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, MANY PEOPLE WATCHING ON TV AND

HEARD ME SAY THIS, I WILL ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS STAND

BEHIND THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS A WHOLE.

BUT THE MOMENT ONE OFFICER STEPS OUT OF LINE.

NOW I AM GOING TO TURN TO CHIEF OF STAFF.




THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED THIS

PROCESS AND STATE ATTORNEY, PUBLIC DEFENDER, SHERIFF'S

OFFICE.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHE MAY HAVE TO WORK WITH ON A

DAILY -- ON A MOMENT TO MOMENT BASIS.

ANOTHER PERSON, TOO.

THE CHAIRMAN OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

ALL THESE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, IN MY

HUMBLE OPINION.

AND THERE IS ONE MORE THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY, SOMETHING

THAT THE RUDEST COMMENT I EVER HEARD.

HOW COULD SEVEN MEN STAND IN THE WAY OF A WOMAN BEING

CONFIRMED?

ALL THESE MEN UP HERE ON THE DAIS CONFIRMED THREE WOMEN AS

DEPARTMENT HEADS.

CHIEF TRIPP, A WOMAN OF COLOR, IS NOW CHIEF OF FIRE RESCUE.

[ APPLAUSE ]

SHARIS HILL, A WOMAN OF COLOR, PARKS AND RECREATION.

AND I DO BELIEVE I SAW MRS. OCEA WYNN.

ALL WOMEN OF COLOR.

SO THAT STATEMENT OFFENDS ME, AND I HOPE IT OFFENDS THE REST

OF THE MEMBERS ON THIS DAIS.

MS. O'CONNOR, I WISH YOU ALL THE LUCK IN THE WORLD.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE THE THINGS THAT I

ASKED YOU TO DO, THAT YOU FIRST REFUSED, WITH THE EXCEPTION




OF STANDING BACK.

12:04:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S YOUR TIME, SIR.

12:04:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.

12:04:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES THUS FAR FOR

THEIR COMMENTS.

MAY 1st, 2009 I WAS OUT WITH FRIENDS IN HYDE PARK, CINCO

DE MAYO.

ALL OF THEM WERE DRINKING.

I WAS NOT DRINKING.

AS I LEFT GOING UP HOWARD AVENUE I RAN A RED LIGHT.

I WAS EITHER GOING TO SLAM ON MY BRAKES OR GET REAR-ENDED.

I TOOK THE LIGHT.

I WAS PULLED OVER BY TPD.

THE OFFICER ASKED ME TO STEP OUT OF THE VEHICLE, ASKED ME IF

I HAD BEEN DRINKING.

ALL I HAD WAS DIET COKE.

THAT'S WHAT I DRANK AT THE TIME.

I NO LONGER DRINK SODA.

AND THEN HE ASKED ME TO WALK A STRAIGHT LINE.

I GUESS IT'S WHAT YOU CALL THE SOMEBODY BRIGHT TEST.

THEN HE ASKED ME DO YOU TAKE ANY MEDICATION?

HAVE YOU HAD MUCH SLEEP?

I SAID I WORK TWO JOBS AND THIS IS THE MY FIRST DAY OFF.

I WAS OUT WITH FRIENDS.

HE SAID GO HOME AND GET SOME SLEEP.




HOWEVER, ONE OF THE OFFICERS DECIDED TO ARREST ME.

NOT A CONVICTION, BUT AN ARREST ON SUSPICION OF WHATEVER,

DUI.

I WAS ALREADY PLANNING TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL IN 2011.

THIS IS THE YEAR BEFORE I FILED.

HAD I BEEN ARRESTED, JUST AN ARREST, WOULD I HAVE -- WHAT I

EVEN FILE TO RUN?

PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE I FIGURED MY FUTURE, WHO IS GOING TO

TAKE ME SERIOUSLY?

AS A MATTER OF FACT ONE OF THE NEWSPAPERS IN 2010, 2011

LOOKED BACK INTO CANDIDATES' PAST FOR CITY COUNCIL TO SEE

WHO GOT ARRESTED AND WHATNOT.

MY NAME WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY BEEN ON THAT LIST.

AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE

TODAY HAD THE CIRCUMSTANCES BEEN DIFFERENT.

I GOT ELECTED IN 2015 AND I WANTED TO HIRE A LEGISLATIVE

AIDE AND IT WAS BLOCKED ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP BECAUSE THAT

LEGISLATIVE AIDE HAD A DUI ARREST.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A DUI IS A MISDEMEANOR, KNOW IT A

FELONY, I THINK.

AND THEY WOULDN'T LET ME HIRE THIS INDIVIDUAL.

I WAS WITHOUT AN AID FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AND I HAD TO

CHOOSE SOMEBODY ELSE.

I HAD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AIDE NOW.

THERE'S THAT.




SOMEBODY CLOSE TO ME NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH THE SHERIFF'S

OFFICE, AS A DEPUTY, GOT A DUI, AND WAS THIRD, AND APPEALED

IT ALL THE WAY TO THE SHERIFF, A WAS NOT GIVEN THE JOB BACK

AND HAD TO MOVE OUT OF TOWN.

AND IS NO LONGER HERE.

I HAVE BEEN HERE SEARCH YEARS, AND I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH

SOME VOTES.

SOME VOTES ARE EASIER THAN OTHERS.

I THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT VOTE WAS THE STORMWATER VOTE IN

SEPTEMBER 2016 BECAUSE I GOT HELL FOR THAT, BUT IT WHATS THE

RIGHT THING TO DO.

THIS VOTE IS PROBABLY THE SECOND MOST DIFFICULT VOTE I HAVE

HAD TO TAKE, BECAUSE OF THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF PEOPLE

THAT ARE CONTACTING MY OFFICE BY E-MAIL, BY PHONE, AS WAS

MENTIONED, I GO TO GET A SALAD, I GET STOPPED, I GET A CUP

OF COFFEE, I GET STOPPED, THE MOST RANDOM INDIVIDUALS

CONTACT ME THAT I HAVE NEVER MET BEFORE TO DISCUSS THIS

ISSUE WITH ME.

SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE IN 1995.

I MENTIONED THINGS IN THE PAST OF OTHER PEOPLE IN A

SITUATION I WAS IN BUT I DIDN'T GET IN TROUBLE FOR IT

BECAUSE I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, BUT STILL CIRCUMSTANCES COULD

BE DIFFERENT.

WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH THE VOTE, I TURN TO GOD.

I'M A PERSON OF FAITH AND I PRAY.




AND I ASK OTHER PEOPLE THEIR ADVICE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

I BELIEVE IN SECOND CHANCES.

BUT AGAIN, NOT EVERYBODY GETS A SECOND CHANCE.

AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH CHIEF

O'CONNOR WHO IS STANDING BEFORE US, AND WHAT HAPPENED IN

1995.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HER CAREER AFTERWARDS.

SHE WAS FIRED AND THEN HAD HER JOB REINSTATED, AND THE

CAREER AFTER THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERSONNEL FILE AS SOME

PEOPLE HAVE, I THINK -- I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BLEMISH ON

IT.

YOU HAVE HAD PEOPLE COME OUT SPEAKING FOR IT THAT HAVE

WORKED ALONGSIDE HER, AND IN ALL CAPACITIES.

WE HAVE USED THE WORD PROCESS OVERWHELMINGLY TODAY, AND IT'S

PROBABLY THE MOST USED WORD I HAVE HEARD IN THE LAST MONTH.

THE PROCESS IS FLAWED.

I WAS THERE AT THE PUBLIC FORUM WITH THE TWO OUT OF THREE

CANDIDATES, CHIEF DELGADO WAS NOT THERE FOR FAMILY ISSUES

AND IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

AND I DON'T KNOW YOU VERY WELL, SIR.

YOU ARE A NICE GUY.

WE HAVE HAD TWO CONVERSATIONS, ONE IN THE PHONE AND ONE IN

PERSON.

THAT'S ALL I KNOW.

BUT THE PEOPLE OF WEST TAMPA LOVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.




I DON'T KNOW THEM.

BUT FROM EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SAID YOUR REPUTATION SPEAKS

FOR ITSELF.

NOTHING BUT POSITIVE THINGS.

I WENT UP TO MARY O'CONNOR, I SAID YOU HAVE DONE A NICE JOB,

WHAT A NICE END WHEN YOU CLOSED IT OUT.

MAYOR CASTOR SAID MARY O'CONNOR, MARY O'CONNOR.

I GAVE CHIEF O'CONNOR OH HER COMMENDATION WHEN SHE RETIRED

FROM TPD.

AND WE HAVE A GREAT PICTURE TOGETHER.

SO I STRUGGLE WITH THIS VOTE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY HUGE

ISSUES FACING US.

WE HAVE SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE.

WE HAVE NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO BE CRAZY.

THE WEEK AFTER IS GOING TO BE CRAZY AND THEN WE GET TO A

POINTS --

[BELL SOUNDS]

ALMOST DONE.

SO IS IT WORTH THE BATTLE TO DENY SOMEBODY?

IS IT WORTH IT?

AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS TO HAVE A 3-3 VOTE AND SEE WHERE IT

GOES FROM THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE SIX PEOPLE NOW.

YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, DO WE LIKE THE PROCESS? NO.

IS EVERYBODY HAPPY?

NO.




COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID IN SO MANY WAYS, IN SO MANY WORDS,

EVERYBODY LEAVES UNHAPPY.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

NOBODY WINS, NORTHBOUND LOSES.

AGAIN THIS IS A L IS A VERY DIFFICULT VOTE BECAUSE OF THE

OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE REACHED OUT IN ALL

ASPECTS.

AND I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE.

12:10:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

12:10:16 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ECHO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES

COMMENTS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THING.

THANKS EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT TODAY ESPECIALLY FOR THE

FRIENDS OF CHIEF NOMINEE O'CONNOR FOR COMING OUT.

WE MET A COUPLE DAYS AGO.

SHE SAID, ARE YOU OKAY, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE BAD FORM IF

A BUNCH OF MY FRIENDS CAME?

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE SO I THANK YOU FOR

BRINGING THEM.

LISTENING TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS KNOWN YOU FOR 20 OR 30 YEARS

IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN A LOBBYIST GIVING A BUSINESS

PERSON WHO COMES UP HERE TO SAY SOMETHING SO I THOUGHT THAT

WAS VERY VALUABLE SO THANKS TO ALL OF THEM.

I WANT TO THANK BUTCH DELGADO ALSO.




LES GREAT TO WORK WITH AND VERY POPULAR.

MOST IMPORTANTLY HE HELPED US GET RID OF THE RACIST POLICY

OF THE LAST ADMINISTRATION RENTING WHILE BLACK AND WE

BROUGHT THAT IN FOR A LANDING.

AND CHIEF NOMINEE O'CONNOR A COUPLE OF TIMES, VERY IMPRESSED

WITH YOU AND YOUR BACKGROUND, AND SHE COMMITTED TO CIVIL

RIGHTS AND TO CONTINUE TO END THOSE RACIST POLICIES FROM THE

LAST ADMINISTRATION.

ONE WAS BIKING WHILE BLACK, RENTING WHILE BLACK, AND THERE

ARE OTHERS.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND WE CANNOT GO FORWARD, THIS

COMMUNITY CANNOT SUCCEED IF WE HAVE RACIAL OPPRESSION.

AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, GO TO

TAMPASCORECARD.COM AND YOU WILL SEE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS

DURING THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC BOON IN AMERICAN HISTORY, TAMPA

FAILED ECONOMICALLY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENSUS DATA.

I WANT TO WELCOME, I THINK, MS. O'CONNOR'S KIDS ARE HERE, I

WANT TO WELCOME THEM.

I MADE A COMMITMENT TO HER IN THE BEGINNING.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT HER IN ANY WAY BUT I

SAID I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOU BECAUSE YOUR

KIDS READ THE PAPER.

MY KIDS ALSO READ IT.

AND THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS LEAKED INFORMATION TO CAUSE




MISLEADING STORIES ABOUT ME AND I KNOW THAT PAIN AND I AM

NOT GOING TO DO THAT TO YOU, I WOULD NOT DO THAT TO YOU.

IF I HAVE A DISPUTE WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE I AM GOING TO

CALL YOU AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT IT.

OTHER MEMBERS HERE HAVE READ NEGATIVE NEWS THAT THE

ADMINISTRATION HAS LEAKED AS WELL, INCLUDING A FORMER

COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER, WHO THE STAFF LEAKED ON MONDAY

AFTER HE WAS NO LONGER A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.

I THINK THAT'S DESPICABLE.

TODAY, I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT CANDIDATE, BUT I HAVE TO SET

THAT ASIDE AND TALK ABOUT PROCESS.

AND REALLY IT'S NOT JUST PROCESS.

IT'S ABOUT DEMOCRACY.

DEMOCRACY IS AT RISK IN THIS CITY, AND MOST OF THE CALLS I

GETTING ARE NOT ABOUT CANDIDATES.

IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING DEMOCRACY IN THIS CITY.

THE PROCESS WAS NOT TRANSPARENT.

IT WAS DISRESPECTFUL.

NOT JUST OF COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY DISRESPECTFUL OF COUNCIL BUT

DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC.

AND IN OUR MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO WE GAVE FEEDBACK IF WE

DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR WE WHAT TOAD PICK AND

WOULD YOU THINK THE NEXT RESPONSE WOULD BE THAT THE MAYOR

WOULD CALL EACH OF US AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE APOLOGIZE, WE

ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE PROCESS, WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER?




I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY COLLEAGUES I.DIDN'T GET A SCHEDULE.

I UNDER THERE WAS NOT A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CAMPAIGN, BUT A

CAMPAIGN WHERE FRIENDS OF THE ADMINISTRATION, STAFF AND

LOBBYISTS STRONG ARMED PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC TO TELL THEM

THAT THEY SHOULD SUPPORT THIS CANDIDATE.

AND THE CANDIDATE WAS NOT DOING THAT BUT SOMEBODY AROUND THE

MAYOR WAS DOING IT.

WHY?

AND THEN THEY JUSTIFIED SAYING WE HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM

OF GOVERNMENT.

IT'S NOT A DICTATORSHIP.

WE DID THAT FOR EIGHT YEARS.

WE CANNOT GO BACK TO THAT SITUATION.

IN AMERICA, I IN AMERICA WE BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, BALANCE OF

POWERS.

A STRONG MAYOR OF FORM OF GOVERNMENT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T

LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC OR LISTEN TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO THEN WE GET FEEDBACK AGAIN AND WE TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL OF

IT AND MY EXPECTATION WAS WE'LL GET AN OLIVE BRANCH, AN

APOLOGY, A PHONE CALL, A NEW PROCESS.

INSTEAD, PEOPLE AROUND THE MAYOR STARTED INTRODUCING THE

CHIEF NOMINEE AS THE POLICE CHIEF AND THEN WE GO FARTHER TO

SAY YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CALL HER A NOMINEE.

IT HAS TO DO WITH DISRESPECTING THE PUBLIC AND CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S --




12:14:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COUNCILMAN IS SPEAKING.

WE WILL NOT HAVE THAT.

12:14:22 >>BILL CARLSON:
AND THEN WE WERE ATTACKED FOR CONSISTENTLY

IN THE MEDIA, MISLEADING COMMENTS, SEVEN MEMBER OF TAMPA,

PRO WOMAN, ALL KIND OF NEGATIVE THINGS CAME OUT, BY THE WAY,

WE APPROVED THE NOMINEE AND WE DID SO IN GOOD FAITH THINKING

THAT THAT PERSON WOULD BE COLLABORATIVE WITH US.

THE "ST. PETE TIMES," TAMPA BAY TIMES CAME OUT FOR THE

INCREDIBLY DIVISIVE COMMENTS THAT THAT PERSON ON BEHALF OF

THE MAYOR.

AND THEN THAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT,

BUT WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION WORKS TO SABOTAGE SEVERAL

SITTING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND LEAK INFORMATION THAT

CAUSES A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO HAVE TO RESIGN THAT IS

DESPICABLE.

THE PUBLIC WANTS THE ADMINISTRATION TO STOP THE ATTACKS,

THEY WANT THE ADMINISTRATION TO STOP THE POLITICS, THEY WANT

THE ADMINISTRATION TO STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES, STOP

DIVISIVENESS AND STOP THE CONTROVERSIES.

WE NEED TO HAVE DEMOCRACY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED BY THE WAY IF YOU VOTE YES BECAUSE

YOU WANT TO GET ON THE GOD SIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION.

I VOTED YES ON HANNA AVENUE, SO DID DINGFELDER, ONE OF THE

WORST POLICY THINGS IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND




WE STILL GOT ATTACKED AND DINGFELDER IS NO LONGER ON CITY

COUNCIL.

I WOULD ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO START OVER, BE RESPECTFUL

OF THE PUBLIC, TO CITY COUNCIL, BE RESPECTFUL OF THE BALANCE

OF POWERS IN THIS COMMUNITY, ALWAYS BE RESPECTFUL OF

DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY.

THANK YOU.

12:15:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

[ APPLAUSE ]

12:15:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT.

MY COLLEAGUES, MS. O'CONNOR, IT'S NOT PERSONAL.

I WAS UPSET YESTERDAY WHEN I CALLED CHIEF BENNETT AT HOME,

AND THE COMMENT THAT I WOULDN'T MEET WITH YOU WHEN I MET

WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY, BUT I GET CALLS, PEOPLE TELLING ME

THINGS ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT?

WE DON'T DO THIS, WE HAVE GOT TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A

LOT OF PROJECTS ON THE TABLE AND THE MAYOR MAY NOT GIVE YOU

A PROJECT.

BUT I TELL YOU, MY FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISE WITH THE

ADMINISTRATION, COMPROMISE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, ON

SEVERAL ISSUES.

I BEG YOU TO STAND WITH YOUR CHAIRMAN BEHIND ME TO SUPPORT

THE ADMINISTRATION.




WE FEEL DISRESPECTED.

TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

MR. BENNETT WORKED WITH US.

BUT I KNOW SOMETIMES HE HAS TO STAY IN HIS LANE.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE THAT WORK WITH THE

ADMINISTRATION TO SAY HEY, YOU HAVE TO GO THIS WAY.

YOU DON'T LIKE CONTROVERSY, LIKES TO WORK THINGS OUT.

BUT THE POWER BEHIND IT, GOING ON WITH THIS COUNCIL, SICK OF

IT.

I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY, I SAID YOU ARE A CASUALTY.

I SAID IT AIN'T YOUR FAULT, BUT YOU MIGHT BE A CASUALTY IN

THIS PROCESS.

BUT IT'S NOT PERSONAL ISSUE.

IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT PERSONAL AT ALL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER MEMBERS WILL VOTE, BUT YOU MAY BE A

CASUALTY TODAY.

AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A GOOD RECORD.

YOU HAD A BLEMISH.

I GOT COMPLAINTS.

SO I KNOW THE WITCH HUNT IS ON.

BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I'M A SOLDIER.

I CAN DO IT FOR MY COMMUNITY.

I SEE BRIAN BACK THERE.




BUT WHAT I DIDN'T SEE TODAY, NOT ONE, NOT ONE BLACK OFFICER

COME HERE.

I AIN'T SEEN ONE.

BUT CHIEF BENNETT EARLIER, AFTER SO MANY DAYS, I ASKED CHIEF

BENNETT, WHICH WAY ARE YOU COMING TODAY?

I TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN, THEY

FOLLOW ORDERS.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT BUT THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A MILITARY ORGANIZATION.

NO MATTER WHO THE CHIEF, THEY ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THEIR

ORDER.

I TOLD MARY YESTERDAY, YOU MAY BE IN WITH THE CHIEF BUT THE

CHARTER SAYS, YOU MAY THE CHIEF IN THEORY BUT AIN'T ACHIEVE

BECAUSE I TALK TO OTHER CHIEFS.

THINGS I WANT TO CHANGE, I CAN'T CHANGE, BECAUSE I HAVE TO

FOLLOW ORDERS.

MY BOSS.

I LIKE YOU, MARY, BUT THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN.

AT THIS TIME PROCESS.

THEY FELT DISRESPECTED.

AS CHAIRMAN, I THINK I HAVE HAD THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL

ISSUES THIS YEAR AS THE CHAIRMAN OF ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE

COME UP, AND I HAVE BEEN A CHAMPION BECAUSE I GET OVER THEM.

I THINK I HAVE BEEN A CHAMPION TO GET OVER THEM.

WE HAVE A LOT OF TOUGH ISSUES.




AND THIS IS THE TOUGHEST ONE I WOULD HAVE TO MAKE BUT I HAVE

TO LOOK AT MARY ANN LEWIS WHO IS A STRONG SUPPORTER FOR THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT, EVER COME TO MARY, BUT COULDN'T MAKE

MAJOR.

COULDN'T MAKE MAJOR.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DEAL MADE AT ONE TIME WHEN ONE MAYOR WAS

RUNNING, PROMISED HE WOULD BE AT THE TABLE.

AND WE GOT BAMBOOZLED.

AND LOOK AT SAM JONES, COULD NEVER MAKE MAJOR.

HE WAS THE MOST DISCIPLINED GUY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND NEVER COULD GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO THE TOP BECAUSE

OTHER POWERS TOLD THE CHIEF YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT GUY MAJOR.

AND GONZALEZ CAME IN, CHANGED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,

DIVERSIFIED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE HE WAS SOMEONE

NEW, HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS AND CAME HERE, AND MET SAM JONES, A

STRONG OF CAR THEFTS GOING ON, AND CAME IN AND SAID MAKE SAM

JONES THE CAPTAIN THE NEXT DAY.

I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF STORIES, GENTLEMEN, BUT I WOULDN'T

DO THAT TO THE ADMINISTRATION.

AND MARY PROBABLY COULD BE THAT PERSON THAT COULD MAKE IT

HAPPEN.

I REMEMBER WHEN TINA WRIGHT WAS RUNNING.

NOW I FEEL BAD THAT DIDN'T SUPPORT HER AT THAT TIME.

I'M SAYING THAT PUBLICLY.

I'M TIRED OF MAKING DECISIONS WE REGRET, AND SOMETIMES




MAKING DECISIONS THAT ARE HARD TO MAKE.

TODAY IS GOING TO BE THE HARDEST I HAVE TO MAKE BECAUSE WHEN

I RECEIVE A CALL FROM SOMEONE WHO WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR

OVER 20-SOME YEARS AND NOW HE'S RETIRED AND GOES TO THE FILE

THE APPLICATION AND TELL HIM -- THIS MAN JUST RETIRED A YEAR

AGO.

DO WE CHANGE THE BACKGROUND, DO WE CHANGE THE BACKGROUND SO

A PERSON, WITH A POSSIBLE BLEMISH I SHALL, TO COME ONTO THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT?

DO WE HAVE THAT COMMITMENT TO DO THOSE CHANGES?

SOMETIMES I MAID MAKE MISTAKES.

OTHER PEOPLE MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW.

WHEN I RAN, AT THE LAST MINUTE, I HAD A FLAG ABOUT MY POLICE

RECORD BUT THE VOTERS SAW PAST THAT AND THOUGHT I WAS THE

STRONGER CANDIDATE AND I YOU KNOW HOW THAT GOES.

I TOLD YOU THAT YESTERDAY, MARY.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE CONSTITUENTS.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT VOTE MAY BE IN A FEW MINUTES.

I WISH YOU WELL.

BUT ALL I CAN SAY, THAT'S ALL I CAN DO.

BELL BOWL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE IT AND

TAKE A VOTE.

MR. MIRANDA MOVED TO CLOSE.

ALL RIGHT




12:23:37 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS

COUNCIL REAL QUICK.

TWO THINGS.

ONE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS, IF THERE IS EITHER AN

APOLOGY OR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT OR WHATEVER ELSE, I'M THE

PROCESS.

AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY I'M THE PROCESS, BECAUSE ALL OF THE

NAMES THAT WERE MENTIONED AS DIRECTOR, THREE OF THEM WERE

DONE IN A NATIONAL SEARCH PROCESS.

IRRESPECTIVE OF MARY O'CONNOR.

TERES A HILLS, A NATIONAL SEARCH PROCESS.

J.C. HUDSON.

WE FOUND THE TALENT IN OUR OWN BACKYARD.

I AM THE PROCESS SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO EITHER NOW OR

LATER TO WORK WITH COUNCIL AND FIX THAT PROCESS, AND

CHAIRMAN OF PUBLIC SAFETY, IF I OFFENDED YOU IN THAT

PROCESS, THEN I AM STANDING HERE TO APOLOGIZE.

12:24:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

CHIEF, YOU NEVER OFFEND ME.

YOU AND I HAVE WORKED TOGETHER.

I AM JUST STATING TO YOU, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, IN MY OPINION,

MORE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE BEEN IN THIS PROCESS, AS ANY OTHER

DIRECTOR OR DEPARTMENT HEAD WHO WAS GOING TO BE NOMINATED OR

APPOINTED FOR THAT POSITION, WHETHER IT BE THE BUDGET,

WHETHER IT BE SOLID WASTE, WHETHER IT BE PARKS AND




RECREATION.

IN THE FUTURE, IF I MAY JUST THROW IN MY PIECE NOW.

THE COMMITTEE CHAIR IS -- TO THE PROCESS.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SAY THAT, CHAIRMAN.

12:25:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK THAT'S IN THE BEGINNING I TOLD THE

CHIEF YOU NEED TO HAVE THE DIRECTORS COME MEET WITH

COUNCILMEN BEFORE THE VOTE SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHO THEY ARE

AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO DO.

WE DID THAT WITH NICOLE.

I THINK FOR THE POLICE CHIEF, I THINK IT IS THE MOST -- NOT

DISRESPECTING CHIEF TRIPP BUT THE POLICE CHIEF IS THE MOST

POWERFUL, EVEN MORE POWERFUL THAN THE MAYOR.

I THINK THE COMMUNITY ASSUMES THAT WHEN THE MAYOR SAID A

NATIONAL SEARCH, WE ASSUMED WE WOULD BE A PART OF THAT

PROCESS, AND HAVE A CHANCE TO SIT ON THAT AND BE PART OF

THAT PROCESS, AND SIT AT THE TABLE WITH THE MAYOR AT THAT

TIME WHO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THE COMMUNITY FELT AROUND THE

CITY THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THEY FELT THEY WERE GOING TO

BE PART OF THE PROCESS AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THEY GOT IT

STARTED.

MR. CARLSON.

12:26:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
CHIEF BENNETT, YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN

HONEST BROKER WORKING WITH US AND I APPRECIATE IT.

EVERYTHING YOU HAVE OF SAID TO ME YOU HAVE DONE AND




HOPEFULLY I HAVE DONE THE SAME.

AND YOU ARE VERY WELL RESPECT IN IT COMMUNITY, YOU ARE YOU

GO THROUGH THE DETAILS, YOU ALWAYS GO THROUGH A LOT MORE

DATA DETAILS THAN I DO.

THE PROBLEM HERE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, IS

OFFLINE, IS THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE ACTING AROUND THE

MAYOR THAT YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.

AND I WILL JUST ASK YOU ONE EXAMPLE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT

FOR A SECOND, DID YOU AUTHORIZE OR TELL THE HEAD OF

COMMUNICATION TO SAY THAT IT'S DESPICABLE, WHATEVER THE WORD

WAS, THAT SEVEN MEN CAN'T APPROVE A WOMAN?

DID YOU DIRECT HIM TO DO THAT?

12:27:08 >>JOHN BENNETT:
I DON'T USUALLY ENGAGE WITH COMMUNICATIONS.

12:27:11 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO THE POINT IS YOU WOULD NEVER DO

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU WOULD NEVER TELL COMMUNICATION TO SAY CITY COUNCIL

MEMBERS WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARTER BECAUSE THEY WERE

INEFFECTIVE, AND DEALING WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION

WHICH WE HAVE ALL TALKED AT LENGTH WITH, GUIDED BY THE LAST

MAYOR THROUGH HIS APPOINTEES, AND CITY ATTORNEY WHO WAS

CARRYING WATER FOR HIM, AND SO THE POINT IS THAT THE THINGS

THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND THIS DECISION THAT WE DON'T LIKE, I

DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE RELATED TO YOU.

I KNOW YOU WANT TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE YOU ARE

AN HONORABLE PERSON, BUT THESE THINGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO




WITH YOU.

SO THE MAYOR AND YOU, I HOPE, CAN GET CONTROL OF THESE

PEOPLE.

MOST OF THEM ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, SOME OF THEM

INSIDE.

THE PEOPLE INSIDE THE CITY ARE LEAKING DOCUMENTS AND TALKING

ABOUT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS HORRIBLE.

WE HAVE TO STOP THIS.

EVERYBODY IS ASKING WHY ARE THERE SO MANY -- HOW MANY TIMES

HAVE I COME TO YOU AND SAY PLEASE ASK THEM TO STOP.

PLEASE ASK THEM TO STOP.

AND SENDING E-MAILS, AND SAYING PLEASE ASK THEM TO STOP.

WE ALL WANT TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY.

PLEASE LET'S LOOK AT THIS PROCESS A DIFFERENT WAY AND WE GET

MORE ATTACKS.

THIS DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE IN OUR CITY RIGHT NOW.

12:28:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I REMEMBER THE CHIEF BEING THE

COMMUNICATION PERSON AND I REMEMBER, TOLD HER, NEXT TIME IT

HAPPENS HE'S GOING TO DEAL WITH HER.

I REMEMBER THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE HIM FOR DOING THAT.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S MR. BENNETT.

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE.

I KNOW THIS GUY TRIES TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE RIGHT AND SO

WE CAN'T LAY IT ON HIM AT ALL.




I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF IT.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER AND

INTERPRETATION.

IT SEEMS THAT SOMETIMES WHEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE IT DOESN'T GO

OW WAY, BUT IT GOES THE OTHER WAY, AND WE DON'T REMEMBER THE

INTERPRETATION CERTAIN WAYS.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHY COUNCIL IS A LITTLE UPSET.

I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THIS COUNCIL JUST FEELS

DISRESPECTED ABOUT THE PROCESS, AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN

THE PAPER AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

I THINK MOVING FORWARD, NO MATTER HOW WE VOTED, I THINK

MOVING FORWARD WE CAN CORRECT THOSE ISSUES.

WE HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW COMING UP NEXT WEEK.

AND BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

I KNOW YOU CAN HANDLE SOME OF THE SITUATIONS AND I KNOW YOU

WILL MAKE IT BETTER.

BUT I JUST THINK THINGS JUST FELL APART, AND WE HAVE GOT TO

PICK THE PIECES UP AND PUT THEM BACK TOGETHER, MR. MIRANDA,

LIKE YOU SAID.

12:29:55 >>JOHN BENNETT:
AND THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK, EVERYBODY.

I'M JUST GRATEFUL THAT COUNCIL IS SEPARATING THE PROCESS

FROM CHIEF O'CONNOR'S ABILITY TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY ON THE RECORD WAS,

THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND MY OFFICE HAVE STARTED A PATHWAYS TO

PROFESSION AND THERE'S A LOT OF SECOND CHANCES GIVEN TO




PEOPLE THAT NEVER GOT A JOB THAT I SAW IN GOVERNMENT, AND WE

ARE REALLY READY TO CELEBRATE THAT, BECAUSE WE PILOTED THIS

PROJECT, AND HAVE PEOPLE WORKING THERE THAT HAVE NEVER HAD

AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN GOVERNMENT BEFORE.

SO THANK YOU.

12:30:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO.

12:30:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHIEF BENNETT, REAL QUICK, I MET WITH

CHIEF O'CONNOR, MARY O'CONNOR THE OTHER MORNING, AND I SAID

JOHN BENNETT IS A SAINT, AND YOU COULDN'T PAY ME TO SAY

ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM.

AND THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

YOU ARE A VERY HONORABLE INDIVIDUAL AND I DON'T THINK

ANYBODY IS PUTTING BLAME ON YOU.

YOUR REPUTATION SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

YOU'RE A GOOD MAN. IN REGARDS TO THIS UPCOMING VOTE NOW

THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE FOR THE CHIEF, SHOULD I SAY YES,

WHICH I CAN HEAR PEOPLE'S HEADS EXPLODING, BECAUSE WEST

TAMPA HAS COME OUT UNBELIEVABLY, EVERYWHERE I GO.

HOWEVER, SHOULD SHE BE APPROVED, OR CONFIRMED, I WOULD LIKE

TO HAVE A TOWN HALL WITH YOU.

I'M THINKING OF CHIEF O'CONNOR, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO

KNOW YOU.

I WANT TO TAKE YOU OUT TO THE NAYSAYERS.

I KNOW YOU HAVE DONE SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH BUT I WANT TO

TAKE YOU TO THE REGULAR NEIGHBOR THAT'S HAVING A CUBAN BE




SANDWICH, THE PEOPLE THAT SAY DON'T DO THIS, I'M SORRY, HOW

CAN YOU CONFIRM THIS INDIVIDUAL?

I THINK YOU CAN CHANGE SOME PEOPLE'S OPINIONS LIKE THAT.

YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE CHIEF.

IF YOU ARE CONFIRMED, YOU ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE, YOU ARE

GOING TO SEE THESE FOLKS INDIVIDUALLY, AFT LEAST CHANGE

THEIR MIND.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID ONCE I GOT TO KNOW HER, WE CHANGED OUR

OPINION.

AND I HAVE HEARD THAT FROM PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, PEOPLE

OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM, AND THAT'S IT.

I BELIEVE IN SECOND CHANCES AND FORGIVENESS.

THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE IN LIFE.

SOME PEOPLE JUST SAY NO, AND DENY THAT SECOND CHANCE TO SAID

INDIVIDUAL FOR WHATEVER THEY HAVE DONE.

I AM NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A WAR I WANT TO START.

WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS COMING UP IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS.

I THINK AGAIN, SHOULD YOU BE CONFIRMED, THAT WE GO OUT IN

THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER, AND WITHOUT THE OTHER COUNCIL

MEMBERS AND LET PEOPLE GET TO KNOW YOU, I THINK WE CAN

CHANGE THEIR OPINION.

THANK YOU.

12:32:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE?

MR. MIRANDA, MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CLOSE.




MR. MANISCALCO SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MARYLAND MADAM CLERK, TAKE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

12:32:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS NUMBER --

12:32:47 >> FILE F22-73272.

12:32:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, ITEM 26, FILE F22-73272,

RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE APPOINTMENT BY THE MAYOR OF THE

CITY OF TAMPA MARY O'CONNOR AS CHIEF AND HEAD OF THE CITY OF

TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

12:33:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

ROLL CALL.

12:33:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:33:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF O'CONNOR, I EXPECT THAT IF ANYTHING

HAPPENS, THE FIRST PERSON YOU CALL IS YOUR DEPARTMENT HEAD.

SECOND PERSON YOU CALL IS THE MAYOR.

HOPEFULLY, THE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY WILL BE IN THAT

GROUP ALSO.

I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.

YES.

12:33:50 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:33:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:33:53 >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH GREAT RESPECT TO THE NOMINEE, MY VOTE

IS NO BECAUSE I OBJECT VIGOROUSLY TO THE PROCESS, AND EVEN

THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO PASS, I ASK THE




ADMINISTRATION TO PLEASE STARTING TOMORROW, AND LET'S TRY TO

PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND BRING DEMOCRACY BACK.

THANK YOU.

12:34:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.

RESPECTFULLY, MARY, I AM STILL GOING TO BE YOUR FRIEND, I AM

STILL GOING TO DO WHATEVER I NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE

SUCCESSFUL HERE, BUT I HAVE CONSTITUENTS I HAVE TO ANSWER

TO.

I FEEL THE PROCESS FAILED US.

BUT AGAIN I HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT I HAVE TO ANSWER TO IN MY

COMMUNITY.

12:34:29 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND GUDES VOTING

NO.

12:34:36 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR., MAY I SAY SOMETHING BRIEFLY?

THIS WILL BE MY SECOND TURN.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S VOTES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, GUDES,

CITRO, MIRANDA, EVERYBODY.

I JUST WANT TO CHALLENGE US ALL TO CONTINUE TO WORK

TOGETHER.

I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S REMARKS.

I MENTIONED THE TERM DEESCALATION, GETTING ALONG, HAVING OUR

DIFFERENCES.

THAT'S GREAT.

LET'S HAVE OUR DIFFERENCES.




BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WILL MAKE A RENEWED

COMMITMENT, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS

BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ACUTE CAUSTIC ISSUES OUT THERE AND

WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYES ON CONSTITUENTS.

HE WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR REMARKS.

I THINK EVERYBODY WAS VERY SINCERE.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

12:35:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE LAST THING, WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS

AS A TIE VOTE, AND WE HAVE A 15-DAY PERIOD IN ORDER TO

CONFIRM OR NOT CONFIRM THE CHIEF.

THAT TIME WOULD HAVE RUN OUT AND EVEN WITH A TIE VOTE, THE

INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED, I BELIEVE, IF LEGAL

STEPS IN AND SAYS I AM WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT'S HOW THE

CHARTER IS WRITTEN, BECAUSE IT'S A TIE VOTE, WE DON'T HAVE

THE 7th COUNCILMEMBER TO BREAK THAT TIE. IF ANYBODY HAS

ANY COMMENT ON THAT, WHATEVER.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS WAS NOT RIGHT.

WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE CHARTER THAT IS COMING UP SOON.

THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CHANGING THAT.

AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY, THIS IS THE MAYOR'S NOMINEE, AND HERE

WE ARE.

SO THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

12:36:15 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.




I WON'T LET YOU DOWN.

12:36:24 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN I MET WITH THE CHIEF A COUPLE DAYS AGO

I SAID I WILL DO WHATEVER I CAN TO SUPPORT YOU, ESPECIALLY

IF YOU RUN INTO ANY DIFFICULTIES IN MY DISTRICT I AM HAPPY

TO STAND UP AND STAND BESIDE YOU AND WORK WITH YOU.

TO THE MEDIA SINCE THEY ARE HERE, IS THAT I HAVE ASKED THE

ADMINISTRATION TO BRING BACK DEMOCRACY AND WORK WITH CITY

COUNCIL.

THE PATTERN IN THE PAST IS THAT IF ONE OR TWO CITY COUNCIL

MEMBERS VOTE AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATION, SOMEBODY IN THE

ADMINISTRATION LEAKS NEGATIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE

COUNCILMEMBER.

SO IF YOU SEE A NEGATIVE STORY ABOUT EITHER OF US IN THE

NEXT WEEK, PLEASE COME BACK AND ASK THE ADMINISTRATION WHY

THEY DID THAT.

THANK YOU.

12:37:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE STAND ADJOURNED UNTIL 1:30.

(CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN RECESS)



13:44:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELCOME BACK, GENTLEMEN.

IT'S BEEN A TENSE MORNING.

I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT A PIECE OF LUNCH.

ALL RIGHT, MR. SHELBY, WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK -- ROLL CALL.

13:44:41 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.

13:44:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.




13:44:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.

13:44:45 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.

13:44:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.

13:44:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.

13:44:48 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

13:44:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

MR. SHELBY, YOU SAID THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO

STRAIGHTEN OUT?

13:44:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, WE CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I THINK ITEM 71 IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUANCE.

I BELIEVE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO OPEN UP -- IF YOU

WANT TO OPEN UP ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

13:45:09 >> MOVE TO OPEN.

13:45:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO MOVED.

MR. MANISCALCO SECONDS.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MOTION PASSED.

13:45:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. GARY, IF YOU STEP UP TO THE LECTERN

AND YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

THE MICROPHONE IS BUILT IN.

13:45:24 >> MY NAME IS GREGORY GARY.

13:45:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. GARY, WE ARE ON NUMBER 71, FILE DE

1-22-34-C.

YOUR HEARING IS OPEN.




THIS IS A REVIEW HEARING AND YOU ARE REQUESTING A

CONTINUANCE.

IS THAT CORRECT?

13:45:39 >> YES, SIR.

13:45:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATES WOULD BE MAY

5th OF 2022 AT 1:30 IN THE AFTERNOON.

13:45:45 >> YES.

13:45:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND YOU SHOULD MAKE A NOTE OF THAT,

PLEASE.

AND THAT'S YOUR REQUEST TO CITY COUNCIL?

13:45:51 >> YES, SIR.

13:45:55 >> THE SPECIFIED DATE, MR. SHELBY.

13:45:57 >> SECOND.

13:45:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, MR. MIRANDA SECOND IT.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MAY 5th, THE 2022.

13:46:07 >> THANK YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.

13:46:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, ANY HOUSEKEEPING CHORES?

13:46:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ITEM NUMBER 4, THERE IS A REQUEST BY THE

LEGAL DEPARTMENT WITH REGARD TO THAT.

13:46:17 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.




WITH RESPECT -- RESPECTFULLY, ITEM NUMBER 4 WAS NOTICED FOR

PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S NOT PROPERLY REFLECTED ON THE

AGENDA.

AS A RESULT, WE ARE ASKING RESPECTFULLY FOR A CONTINUANCE OF

ITEM NUMBER 4.

AND I BELIEVE THE CLERK STATED THAT THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATE

IS APRIL 7th.

13:46:44 >> MOVE TO CONTINUES TO APRIL 7th.

13:46:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED TO CONTINUE.

13:46:52 >> IT WILL BE ON FIRST READING.

13:46:54 >> FIRST READING.

OKAY.

13:46:56 >> SECOND.

13:46:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE TIME FOR IT UNDER FIRST READING

CONSIDERATION?

WAIT, I'M CURIOUS.

IF IT'S A COMMITTEE REPORT, IS THAT AN ORDINANCE BEING

PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION?

DOES IT NEED TO BE A SPECIFIC TIME?

A QUASI --

13:47:16 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
9 A.M.

13:47:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
9 A.M.

13:47:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, MR -- SECOND BY MR.

MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?




ANY OPPOSED?

13:47:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN -- JUST FOR THE BASIS

OF NO CONFUSION, APRIL 7th AT 9 A.M.

13:47:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
APRIL 7th.

13:47:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SOMETIME AFTER 9 A.M.

13:47:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SOMETIME AFTER 9 A.M.

ANYTHING ELSE, MS. PETTIS-MACKLE?

13:47:47 >> NOTHING ELSE.

13:47:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK YOU ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

13:47:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

PUBLIC SAFETY, ITEMS 5 THROUGH 11.

13:47:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL MOVE ITEMS 5 THROUGH 11.

13:48:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ROLL CALL.

13:48:02 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

13:48:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

13:48:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

13:48:06 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

13:48:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

13:48:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

13:48:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

13:48:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO, PARKS AND REC 12-13.

13:48:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 12 THROUGH

15.

13:48:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.




ROLL CALL.

13:48:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

13:48:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

13:48:27 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

13:48:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

13:48:29 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

13:48:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

13:48:30 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

13:48:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, ITEM 16 THROUGH 25, SIR.

13:48:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE 16 THROUGH 25.

13:48:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ROLL CALL.

13:48:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

13:48:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

13:48:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

13:48:46 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

13:48:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

13:48:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

13:48:50 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

13:48:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, ITEMS 26 EXCLUDING 2, BECAUSE

MR. CARLSON ASKED FOR THAT TO BE PULLED.

THAT'S 26 THROUGH -- EXCLUDING 28, SIR.

13:49:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY.

13:49:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ON 29?

13:49:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU SAID NOT 26.




13:49:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NOT INCLUDING 28.

I'M SORRY, SIR?

I APOLOGIZE.

OKAY.

WE HAVE 26 ALREADY.

THAT WOULD BE 27, 28 BEING PULLED.

MR. CARLSON, A COMMENT?

13:49:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT 29?

WE ALLOCATED THIS MONEY IN CRA A LONG TIME AGO, AND TAMPA

UNION STATION HAS THE WINDOWS ARE FALLING APART, AND OTHER

THINGS ARE FALLING APART, AND DESPERATELY NEEDS PROTECTION

AND CARE.

IT'S GETTING RAIN DAMAGE AND OTHER KINDS OF DAMAGE.

AND SO I WOULD JUST THINK THE CHIEF OF STAFF -- THANK THE

CHIEF OF STAFF FOR HELPING TO MOVE THIS QUICKLY, AND FOR THE

SAKE OF OUR COMMUNITY, I WOULD ASK STAFF TO PLEASE HELP US

GET THIS IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING REPAIRED AS QUICKLY AS

POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

13:50:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

I SEE MS. TRAVIS IS HERE, MS. VAN LOAN HERE.

DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT?

ALL RIGHT.

ARE YOU GOOD, SIR?

13:50:14 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.




28 OUT.

13:50:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE 26 THROUGH 27 AND THEN -- OH, I'M

SORRY.

MAYBE I WANT TO MOVE IT AGAIN.

27 AND THEN 29 THROUGH 32 OMITTING 28.

13:50:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

A SECOND?

SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ROLL CALL.

13:50:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

13:50:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

13:50:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

13:50:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

13:50:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

13:50:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

13:50:55 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

13:50:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, MR. CARLSON, AGAIN ITEMS 33

THROUGH 49.

13:51:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON 28?

13:51:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HE PULLED 28.

13:51:10 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO VOTE NO ON THAT.

I THINK IT'S OVERREACHING FOR ONE CONSULTING FIRM TO HAVE SO

MUCH INFLUENCE OVER THE CITY THEY ARE GOING TO -- BE IN

EVERY PART OF THE CITY ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DEFINITION AS TO HOW MUCH TIME, AND IT'S




GREAT TO HAVE OUTSIDE ADVICE, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW

ANY ONE PARTICULAR MODEL.

THE BEST CITIES IN THE WORLD DON'T JUST COPY ONE CITY.

THEY GET THE BEST IDEAS FROM AROUND THE WORLD AND THEY

INCORPORATE IT.

13:51:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN THAT CASE, MR. CARLSON, I DIDN'T KNOW

THAT WAS GOING TO PRECLUDE THE WHOLE CITY FROM CONSULTING.

MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT MAYBE HAVING THAT DISCUSSED,

PULLED FOR DISCUSSION IF THAT'S THE CASE.

13:51:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S UP TO YOU.

THERE ARE LIKE SIX DIFFERENT --

13:52:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FIRST OF ALL, NO CHARGE TO THE CITY.

YOU CAN READ IT.

YOU CAN ACCEPT IT OR NOT.

IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING.

IT'S NOT ONLY THAT THEY DO TAMPA.

THEY ARE DOING LONDON, CHICAGO, DETROIT, NEWARK, LIMA, PERU.

13:52:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT'S GREAT TO GET CONSULTING ADVICE

BUT THEY ARE VERY EMBEDDED IN THE CITY AND I THINK IT'S TOO

MUCH INFLUENCE FOR ONE ORGANIZATION, THAT'S ALL.

13:52:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT?

13:52:30 >> NICOLE TRAVIS FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

WHEN I STARTED IN JANUARY, THE APPLICATION HAD ALREADY BEEN

STARTED FOR BLOOMBERG AND ASSOCIATES TO CONSIDER TAMPA AS

ONE OF THE CITIES THAT THEY TAKE ON.




AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA STATED THEY HAVE DONE WORK IN A LOT OF

OTHER CITIES.

THEY PRODUCE OVER 4,000 CONSULTING HOURS SPECIFIC TO THE

PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES THAT THE CITY NEEDS.

THEY LOOK AT THE CRA PLAN.

THEY LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.

HOW CAN THEY HELP US STRATEGIZE?

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CONSULTANTS THAT ARE NATIONALLY

RECOGNIZED ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SOME OF WHICH THAT I HAVE HEARD SPEAK AT NUMEROUS

CONFERENCES AND THEY GIVE US BEST PRACTICES AND ADVICE

SPECIFIC TO THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.

SO A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE THE TIME THAT

I HAVE BEEN HERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED WITH

TRANSPORTATION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION,

DISPOSITION, AND ALSO HOW DO WE TAKE SPECIFIC INITIATIVES

FOR THE EAST TAMPA CRA AREA, HOW DO WE GET SOME MOMENTUM

GOING IN THERE.

AND SO I HAD MORE MEETINGS THAN I CAN COUNT RIGHT NOW WITH

BLOOMBERG, REALLY TRYING TO IDENTIFY SCOPE, AND TO THE

POINT, IT'S UP TO THE PLEASURE OF THIS COUNCIL IF IT COMES

BACK FOR ANY POLICY DECISIONS BEFORE YOU, BUT THIS IS AN

OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE STAFF THAT IS BUSY ON A DAY-TO-DAY TO

TAKE ON SOME OF THESE SPECIAL PROJECTS AND FOCUS SPECIFIC ON

NARRATIVES AND PROJECTS THAT ARE DEAR TO THE CITY.




SO I WOULD REQUEST YOUR INDULGENCE.

13:54:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND AGAIN THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY.

13:54:12 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THAT'S CORRECT.

13:54:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO I WILL LET YOU FIELD A COUPLE OF MR.

CARLSON'S QUESTIONS.

THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

13:54:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S LIKE WE JUST HIRED AN INTERNAL

CANDIDATE FOR POLICE CHIEF, AND WE HIRED A BUNCH OF -- WE

HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO EXPERIENCE, ABOUT 25 YEARS OF

EXPERIENCE IN WATER, AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT SEEMS TO

COMPLETELY DISMISS ALL OF IT.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING ADVISING THE BEST COUNTRY IN

THE WORLD IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND NOBODY LISTENS TO IT.

WE TALK ABOUT INCLUSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND NOBODY

LISTENS TO THAT.

SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO BED AN OUTSIDE ORANGE.

I HAVE WORKED WITH OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS, I HAVE BEEN A

CONSULTANT, AND YOU BRING AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THIS, SO

EMBEDDED INTO YOUR ORGANIZATION AND YOU ARE GOING TO GET

BIAS EVERY KIND OF CONSULTING GROUP A HAS THAT AND IT'S ONE

POINT OF VIEW.

IT WORRIES ME BECAUSE THE CONSULTANTS ALWAYS -- BLOOMBERG IS

A GREAT BRAND, AND I'M SURE THEY HAVE FANTASTIC CONSULTANTS,

BUT THE GUY WHO IS THE EXPERT ON COMPETITIVE COUNTRIES,

MICHAEL PORTER, GOOGLE HIS NAME IN THAT TITLE AND YOU WILL




SEE THE CONTROVERSIES AND THE COUNTRIES, AND MY CONCERN IS

THAT THEY ARE SO EMBEDDED AND THERE'S NO DIVERSITY OF

THOUGHT ALREADY IN THE ADMINISTRATION SEEMS NOT TO BE

LISTENING TO ANY INTERNAL IDEAS, AND THEN THE THIRD THING

YOU JUST MENTIONED CRA, AND I REALLY OBJECT TO THAT.

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR THREE YEARS TO HAVE CRA STAFF

ORGANIZE THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION JUST TO FIND OUT

WHAT OUR BOARD MEMBERS THINK, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO

ORGANIZE THAT.

SO WHY HAVE A CONSULTANT COME IN AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO

DO WHEN WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED TO OUR OWN BOARD MEMBERS?

13:55:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO YOU THINK IT NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION

BEFORE WE LOOK AT THIS?

13:56:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M SURE THIS WILL PASS BECAUSE BLOOMBERG

IS A GREAT BRAND BUT I HAVE BEEN AROUND CITIES AND THIS IS

JUST TOO MUCH INFLUENCE.

I AM GOING TO VOTE NO.

IF IT'S 5-1 THAT'S FINE.

13:56:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT I ASK, SINCE YOU ARE ADAMANT AND YOU

HAVE GOT OTHER CONCERNS --

13:56:16 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS.

I AM GOING TO VOTE NO.

I DON'T NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION.

13:56:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM GOING TO VOTE ON RESOLUTION 28, AND

SEE WHAT HAPPENS.




13:56:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

ROLL CALL.

13:56:30 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

13:56:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

13:56:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

13:56:33 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.

13:56:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

13:56:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GOING TO VOTE YES.

I AM GOING TO LEAN ON MRS. TRAVIS FOR THIS.

I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT CRA,

ESPECIALLY EAST TAMPA.

13:56:47 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I APPRECIATE THE VOTE OF SUPPORT TO MOVE

FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT.

13:56:55 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.

13:56:57 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY.

AND SO JUST A POINT WITH THE CRA, WE HAVE TAKEN THE

REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.

THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS OR CHANGING ANYTHING THAT

HAPPENED, STRICTLY GIVING US STRATEGIES ON HOW WE CAN GET

MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT JUMP STARTED IN THE AREA.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE

ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH AND DOUBLING DOWN WITH RESOURCES DOING

THIS.




13:57:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG, MR. CARLSON, 33.

13:57:37 >> 3D TO BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.

13:57:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO REMOVE ITEM 33 AND 34.

13:57:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.

13:57:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.

SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL.

13:57:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

13:57:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

13:57:55 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

13:57:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

13:57:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

13:57:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

13:57:59 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

13:58:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 46 FOR A SEPARATE

VOTE.

I DON'T NEED STAFF.

13:58:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE 46, AND I HAVE AN ASK ABOUT 47.

IS SOMEONE PULLING THAT?

13:58:14 >> NO, 46.

13:58:15 >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 35 THROUGH 45, AND THEN 47 THROUGH

49.

13:58:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.




13:58:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ROLL CALL?

13:58:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I CAN DISCUSS THIS WITH THE CLERK.

IN THE PAST, BY VOICE VOTE, IS THAT CORRECT?

13:58:36 >> THAT IS CORRECT.

13:58:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ONLY THING FROM THIS POINT FORWARD IN

ORDER TO SAVE TIME, WE CAN DO VOICE VOTES, IF COUNCIL STILL

WANTS TO AND THE CHAIR WANTS TO DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, YOU

CAN.

WE ARE NOT SET UP FOR VOTE AND RECORD SO YOU WILL HAVE TO DO

A ROLL CALL VOTE FOR THAT.

BUT THE ONLY TIME YOU WILL HAVE TO DO FOR THESE SORT OF

THINGS ON THE CONSENT DOCKET, A ROLL CALL VOTE, IS IF

SOMEBODY IS APPEARING, ONE OF YOU MEMBERS ARE APPEARING

VIRTUALLY, THEN WE HAVE TO GO TO ROLL CALL.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT TO SAVE TIME I AM DONE TALKING.

YOU CAN DO A VOICE VOTE.

13:59:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CONTINUE.

13:59:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

13:59:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

13:59:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

13:59:14 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

13:59:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

13:59:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.




13:59:17 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

13:59:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, TAKE UP 46 NOW, SIR?

13:59:22 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT -- IT'S NOT

INCLUSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOT THE KIND OF ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT WE SHOULD BE DOING, SO I AM GOING TO JUST VOTE

NO.

13:59:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEM 46.

13:59:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.

13:59:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

13:59:41 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.

13:59:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

MR. VIERA.

13:59:48 >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE 50 THROUGH 58.

13:59:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

13:59:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL HEARINGS ARE ALREADY OPEN.

14:00:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL HEARINGS ARE ALREADY OPEN.

14:00:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO SCHEDULE THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO

MAY 5th, THE 2022 AT 1:30 P.M.

14:00:13 >> SECOND.

14:00:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. VIERA.




ROLL CALL, MR. SHELBY?

14:00:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.

14:00:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

ALL RIGHT.

THE HEARINGS ARE NOW OPEN, CORRECT?

ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER 60.

14:00:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NUMBER 60 AND 61, 62 AND 637 ARE ALL

NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL.

AND JUST A REMINDER 62 IS A SUBSTITUTE BUT WE'LL GET TO

THAT.

14:00:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

14:00:47 >>RON VILA:
HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

ITEM 60.

AT FIRST READING I DID A COMPLETE PRESENTATION THERE.

WERE NO COMMENTS THAT COUNCIL HAD AT THAT TIME.

THE MOTION WAS 7-0 TO MOVE FORWARD.

I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THIS AFTERNOON.

14:01:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?

ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO BE SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

14:01:17 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.

14:01:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON




THIS ITEM?

NOBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

14:01:41 >> IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, MR. CHAIR.

14:01:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE, MOVE TO CLOSE.

14:01:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE NUMBER E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27, MOVE AN

ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READ BEING ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE

APPROVING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION

APPLICATION RELATED TO THE RESTORATION, RENOVATION, OR

REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTIES OWNED BY SENECA

VENTURES, LLC LOCATED AT 1619 EAST 8th AVENUE, TAMPA,

FLORIDA IN THE YBOR HISTORIC DISTRICT, BASED UPON CERTAIN

FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING

FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN

EFFECTIVE DATE.

14:02:28 >> SECOND.

14:02:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

ROLL CALL.

14:02:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

14:02:36 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

14:02:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

14:02:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

14:02:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

14:02:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

14:02:41 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.




14:02:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 61.

14:02:46 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

THIS IS SECOND READING ON AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REPEAL THE

NOISE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED ON JANUARY

13th OF THIS YEAR.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER.

14:03:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TIE VOLT?

14:03:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

14:03:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A PRESENTATION, THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC

COMMENT?

14:03:26 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
JUST AN ORDINANCE REPEALING THE

PRIOR ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU.

14:03:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN TAKE COMMENT.

14:03:33 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

14:03:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO DEPUTY CLERK.

14:03:40 >>THE CLERK:
MR. GEORGE GRAPH AS WELL AS KAREN COX ON LINE.

I NEED YOU TO TURN ON YOUR VIDEO AND AUDIO.

14:03:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, MA'AM, CAN YOU HEAR US?

14:04:03 >> YES, I CAN HEAR YOU.

14:04:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STATE YOUR NAME AND BEGIN.

14:04:05 >> MY NAME IS KAREN COX, AND I REPRESENT THE TOWERS OF

CHANNELSIDE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, AND WITH RESPECT TO

ITEM NUMBER 61, THE ORDINANCE THAT SPEAKS TO THE NEW AMENDED

ORDINANCE, I HAVE GOT SOME REVERB HERE, I'M SORRY.




BUT I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT THE AMENDED ORDINANCE RESULTED

FROM A FEW YEARS OF [~DISTORTION~] WITH INPUT FROM THE

CITIZENS, AND -- I'M SORRY, I HAVE GOT REVERB GOING ON.

SO I AM JUST GOING TO WAIT BECAUSE THE REVERB IS BOTHERING.

THE OPPOSITION TO THE -- EFFECTIVELY UNENFORCEABLE ORDINANCE

DIDN'T RAISE ANYTHING NEW THAT WASN'T ALREADY CONSIDERED.

REPEALING THE ORDINANCE NOW IS GOING TO CAUSE THE CITY TO

CONTINUE TO SUFFER THE NOISE THAT HAS BEEN PLAGUING THE CITY

FOR YEARS.

PLEASE VOTE NO ON THE APPEAL TO THE AMENDED NOISE ORDINANCE,

AND LET THE ORDINANCE GO INTO EFFECT.

14:05:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM?

14:05:53 >> NO.

14:05:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

NEXT SPEAKER.

14:05:56 >>THE CLERK:
THE OTHER SPEAKER IS MR. GEORGE GRANT.

HOWEVER, HE HAS NOT TURNED ON HIS VIDEO NOR AUDIO.

I HAVE THREE OTHER PEOPLE REGISTERED.

HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NOT LOGGED ON.

14:06:10 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

14:06:15 >>THE CLERK:
HAS NOT TURNED ON THEIR AUDIO.

14:06:18 >> THIS IS GEORGE GRASS.

ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME?

14:06:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, WE CAN! YES, SIR, WE CAN.

14:06:25 >> I'M HAVING ISSUES CONNECTING MY VIDEO.




IS IT OKAY IF MY MAKE MY COMMENTS?

14:06:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S NOT QUASI, SO WE DON'T NEED THE

VIDEO.

YOU CAN CONTINUE WITHOUT THE VIDEO, SIR.

14:06:38 >> GOOD, THANK YOU.

I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF TAMPA SINCE 205.

MY WIFE AND I, AND WE BECAME RESIDENTS OF THE CHANNELSIDE

DISTRICT IN 2019, I AM AN OWNER IN THE TOWERS OF

CHANNELSIDE.

I LIVE ON THE 20th FLOOR.

AND SINCE MY RESIDENCE IN 2019, DIFFERENT BUSINESS

ESTABLISHMENTS IN THIS AREA, THERE HAS BEEN A CONSTANT

DISRUPTION OF PEACE AND QUIET WHILE STAYING IN MY RESIDENCE.

ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS I HAVE TO CALL THE NONEMERGENCY TAMPA

POLICE HOTLINE DUE TO EXTREME LEVELS OF BASS, RATTLING THE

WALLS OF MY CONDO.

AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO EXERCISE THAT THIS IS THE 20 FLOORS,

AND THIS GOES ON ALL THE WAY UNTIL 2:30 IN THE MORNING.

AND THIS MAY HAPPEN DURING THE WEEKDAY, AND ESPECIALLY THE

MORE PROMINENT ON THE WEEKENDS.

SO WHEN YOU ARE A CITIZEN AND YOU ARE GIVEN THE OPTION TO

CALL A NONEMERGENT HOTLINE FOR A NOISE COMPLAINT, THERE IS

NO, I WOULD SAY, URGENT PRIORITY ON THIS SIDE OF THE TAMPA

POLICE TO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.

SO WHEN YOU ARE CALLING AT 10:30, 11:00 AT NIGHT AND YOU ARE




STILL TRYING TO GET SLEEP, AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET TO

YOUR JOB THE NEXT DAY, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM A

HEALTH CARE PROVIDER WITHIN THE TAMPA AREA, AND I HAVE TO

HANDLE COMPLEX DECISIONS, I'M SURE AS MANY OF YOU GUYS DO,

WOMEN AS WELL, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT HAVING ADEQUATE SLEEP IS

IMPORTANT FOR OUR WELL-BEING, AND SO HAVING TO CONSTANTLY

DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE IS VERY CHALLENGING IN SEVERAL REGARDS

WHEN IT COMES TO OVERALL WELLNESS, RELATIONSHIP WELLNESS,

THINGS THAT INTERFERE WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO IN THE LAST WEEK, I HAVE HAD TO CALL THE TAMPA POLICE

FIVE TIMES.

MOST OF THESE CALLS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AFTER 10 P.M. ASKING

THE SAME THING, THAT HAVING ESTABLISHMENT BE RESPECTFUL OF

THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWERS OF CHANNELSIDE.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT PRIOR AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE GONE

FORTH, THAT THERE BE CONSIDERATION WITH THE CHANNELSIDE

DISTRICT IS NOT THE SAME AS YBOR, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME

FORM OF NOISE MITIGATION TO HELP US FIND SOME EQUITABLE WAYS

AS FAR AS LIVING IN HARMONY WHERE BUSINESSES CAN THRIVE BUT

ALSO THAT RESIDENTS CAN MAINTAIN A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

14:09:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYBODY ELSE REGISTERED?

14:09:44 >>THE CLERK:
THERE WERE THREE OTHER PEOPLE REGISTERED.

HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT ONLINE.




14:09:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

14:09:53 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A SECOND CHANCE.

SORRY ABOUT THIS MORNING.

MY NAME IS DR. STEPHEN SCHWARTZ, A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF

CHANNEL DISTRICT.

I AM CURRENTLY VICE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION BOARD OF

DIRECTORS FOR THE TOWERS OF CHANNELSIDE.

I HAVE SOME COMMENTS OF MY OWN BUT I PROMISED TO READ A

LETTER OF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER WHO MEANT TO BE HERE BUT

COULDN'T.

HAD TO BE OUT OF TOWN.

SO I AM GOING TO DO BOTH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND SHOULD

BE ABLE TO DO IT WELL WITHIN TIME.

MICHAEL LEEDS.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL LEEDS, A RESIDENT OF THE TOWERS OF

CHANNELSIDE, AND FORMER CHANNELSIDE CAC BOARD MEMBER.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING MY NEIGHBOR AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBER

STEPHEN SCHWARTZ TO READ MY TESTIMONY AS I HAVE A MEETING

OUT OF TOWN AND UNABLE TO ATTEND THE HEARING.

I WANT TO SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR THE PREVIOUS APPROVED

ORDINANCE 2022-18 WHICH WAS TO MODIFY THE CITY'S NOISE

ORDINANCE, AND MOVE THE CHANNEL DISTRICT FROM THE SPECIAL

EXCEPTION AREAS.




I AM ASKING COUNCIL TO NOT SUPPORT THE ABOVE MEASURE WHICH

WOULD REPEAL SAID ORDINANCE.

CHANNEL DISTRICT HAS BECOME A THRIVING RESIDENTIAL SUBMARKET

IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND IT'S CRITICAL THE CITY OF TAMPA

BALANCE RESIDENTS NEEDS ANDS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.

MANY CITIES ACROSS THE STATE IN THE METRO AREA INCLUDING

CLEARWATER, ST. PETE, AND SARASOTA, HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THIS

OBJECTIVE MANAGING NOISE LEVELS IN THRIVING DOWNTOWN

RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE ALLOWING BUSINESSES TO

OPERATE REASONABLE HOURS OF OPERATION WHEN NOISE IMPACT IS A

CONCERN.

PLEASE TAKE RESPONSIBLE ACTION AND ALLOWING THE PREVIOUSLY

APPROVED ORDINANCE 22-18 BE APPROVED.

THANK YOU, MICHAEL J. LEEDS.

WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS IN 2020 TO THE POLICE, THE

COUNCIL, AND OTHERS TO BE ADDRESS SUBSTANTIAL AND PERSISTENT

NOISE APPROXIMATE PLAGUING THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.

NOISE ORDINANCE APPLICABLE TO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT HAS BEEN

UNENFORCEABLE DESPITE HUNDREDS OF CALLS TO POLICE.

WE WERE RELIEVED AND EXCITED BY THE HOPE THAT CAME OCTOBER

7th OF 2021 KNOLOGY FIRST READING OF THE NEW ORDINANCE

INCLUDING A SECTION ADDRESSING OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED SOUND.

NEW ORDINANCE WAS SAID TO BE TAKE EFFECT APRIL 2022.

WE ARE NOW SOMEWHAT CRUSHED BY THE MOVE TO REPEAL THAT NEW

ORDINANCE BEFORE IT SAW LIGHT OF DAY.




THE ORDINANCE WAS RUSHED AND NEEDED MORE TIME, HOWEVER FOR

THE RESIDENTS OF CHANNEL DISTRICT, THIS WILL EXTEND OUR

MISERY, WHICH HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR TWO YEARS WITHOUT RELIEF.

WE OPPOSE THE MOVE WHICH IS AKIN TO THROWING OUT THE BABY

WITH THE BATH WATER.

THE DELAY WILL FURTHER PUT OFF ACTIONS OF OUTDOOR NOISE

CONTROL AND THE FIVE MINUTE WARNING SO WELL NEEDED IN THE

CHANNEL DISTRICT.

I FEEL IT FEELS PREJUDICIAL AGAINST THE RESIDENTS OF THE

CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN SEEKING

THAT FOR SO LONG.

THANK YOU.

[BELL SOUNDS]

14:13:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NEXT SPEAKER.

14:13:08 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS LARRY KINECK, AN OWNER RESIDENT IN THE TOWERS OF

CHANNELSIDE, THE FIRST PERSON TO HAVE MOVED INTO THE

CHANNELSIDE, A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND IT REMAINED THAT

WAY UNTIL AJA MOVED IN AND TODAY WE ARE A MIXED COMMUNITY

BUT WITH A MUCH DIFFERENT BAR, A GAMING BAR, NOT A

NIGHTCLUB.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR OUR CITY, AND

FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THIS CITY COUNCIL.

I RECOGNIZE THAT WE WILL NOT ALWAYS AGREE, BUT I WILL ALWAYS

RESPECT THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE, EVEN IF I DON'T AGREE WITH




THEM.

I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WE ARE NOT AGAINST ALL BARS AND THE

NOISE THEY MAKE.

IN THIS CASE, WE ARE AGAINST ONE BAR AND THE NOISE IT MAKES

THERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE 04-OH 5 TIER.

I LIVE IN THE 05 TIER, 2205, AS I SAID, AND I FELT IT LAST

NIGHT.

THE OPERATING MODEL OF THIS BAR IS BETWEEN 10 AND -- 10 P.M.

AND 2 A.M.

WE HEAR IT EVERY NIGHT.

IT MUST STOP.

AND WE NEED YOUR HELP TO STOP IT.

WHAT IS THAT NOISE?

WELL, IT CONSISTS OF BOMBASTIC MUSIC, SCREAMING, HOLLERING,

CURSING, FIGHTING, ALL REVERBERATING OFF OF THE STRUCTURES

ACROSS THE STREET THAT WEREN'T THERE WHEN AJA WAS THERE.

IT IS ALSO, WHAT THE OTHER GENTLE EARLIER SAID, THIS

CONSTANT BEAT WITH DEEP WOOFER SOUNDS THAT REVERBERATE

THROUGH THE REBAR THROUGHOUT THE 04-05 TIER.

THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN.

WE NEED LIMITS.

LIMITS ON THE TIME THAT THIS BAR CAN CREATE THIS NOISE.

I'M TRUSTING THAT YOU WILL AGREE AND SEE THAT THIS NOISE IS

NOT REASONABLE OR ACCEPTABLE IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

BOTTOM LINE, THE OWNER OF THAT BAR KNEW WHAT HE WAS MOVING




INTO, A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, WHEN HE MOVED IN THERE, AND

HE MUST RESPECT THOSE OF US WHO LIVE THERE.

THANK YOU.

14:16:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT SPEAKER.

14:16:10 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. ERNEST MUELLER.

I'M HERE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THIS

SECOND READING THAT WOULD REPEAL THOSE RECENT CHANGES TO THE

CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE.

I AGREE THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW NOISE ORDINANCE.

BUT THE CITY NEEDS A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT IS BALANCING THE

EXPECTATIONS, REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF THE RESIDENTS AND

THEIR NEED FOR QUIET, AND THE POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT

THE BAR AND RESTAURANT INDUSTRY HAS ON THIS CITY.

WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS AN OLD NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE

TRYING TO MATCH.

IT'S LIKE PATCHING AN OLD WORN OUT TIRE.

SO I AM URGING YOU TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS AND LET'S START

OVER.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE CHANNELSIDE AS EXPECT IS ALSO PART

AND PARCEL OF THIS.

HOWEVER, THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECT THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING

TO HAVE, THE BIG ONE IS THE TAKING AWAY OF THAT WARNING.

AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, MY EXPERIENCE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT,

WARNINGS HAVE AN 85% COMPLIANCE RATE.




THAT MEANS 85 TIMES OUT OF 100, THEY ARE GOING TO WORK.

AND THE NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ENFORCED RIGHT NOW BY THE

POLICE OFFICERS, AND THE POLICE OFFICER DATA SUPPORTS THIS,

IS THAT THAT COMPLIANCE RATE IS MUCH MORE THAN 85%.

AN EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT TOOL THAT'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL

TO THE EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF ANY NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO AGAIN I AM COMING BACK BEFORE YOU AND SAYING, YES, WE

NEED ORDINANCE CHANGES.

I BELIEVE THE INDUSTRY, IS GALVANIZED.

I KNOW WHAT MY CLIENT HAS AND WANTS TO MAKE CHANGES, WANTS

TO MAKE EFFECTIVE CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE FAIR FOR

EVERYBODY.

SO I URGE YOU TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS REPEAL AND

LET'S START OVER WITH A 21st CENTURY ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU.

14:18:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NEXT SPEAKER.

14:18:30 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SOHO BUSINESS

ALLIANCE WHICH REPRESENTS ABOUT 45 DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, 30

OF WHICH ARE RESTAURANTS, AND WHEN WE FIRST DEVELOPED THE

CODE FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE

WARNING WAS PUT IN THERE TO STOP HARASSMENT AND FOR

INCIDENTAL CALLS THAT MAY END UP WITH CITATIONS.

AND AS MR. MUELLER HAS ALREADY INDICATED, THE COMPLIANCE

RATE IS 85% AND MAY EVEN BE HIGHER THAN THAT.

THERE ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED WITH THIS NEW




ORDINANCE.

THEY INCLUDE ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS WHICH AFFECT NOISE, AND

MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE STADIUM NOISE, IT BOUNCES

OFF THE CLOUDS AND IS HEARD ALL THE WAY INTO SOUTH TAMPA.

UNDER THE NEW CODE, THIS WOULD BECOME A VIOLATION.

AND IT'S NOT JUST THE STADIUM.

YOU HAVE NOISES TRANSMITTED ACROSS WATER.

WE HAVE ISSUES REGARDING HARBOR ISLAND AND MUSIC OUT THERE

AND DOWNTOWN.

IT BOUNCES ALONG DOWN THE BAY AND IS HEARD AS FAR SOUTH AS

BALLAST POINT.

SO ANYWAY, WE ARE URGING YOU TO CONTINUES WITH YOUR REPEAL

OF THIS ORDINANCE, OR AT THE VERY LEAST INSERT INTO IT A

WARNING PROVISIONS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY THERE.

THERE ARE PROTECTIVE MEASURES.

THEY ARE NOT ONEROUS.

THEY DO PROTECT BOTH THE HOMEOWNER AS WELL AS THE

BUSINESSES.

YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO START ISSUING TICKETS IMMEDIATELY OR

LEAVE IT UP TO THE OFFICER IN THE FIELD.

THE I-75TATION HAD A BUFFER IN IT WHICH WAS THE WARNING THAT

WAS BEING ISSUED AND THE COMPLIANCE THAT MOST OF THE TIME AS

ERNIE POINTED OUT 80 TO 95% OF THE TIME RESULTS IN AN

IMMEDIATE COMPLIANCE.

SO ANYONE WHO IS A VIOLATOR NEEDS THAT CHANCE AND WOULD




REQUEST THAT YOU INCLUDE THAT.

IF YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS, OR IF YOU REPEAL THE ORDINANCE

AS IT IS.

THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF CITIZENS STANDING BY, WITH A

CITIZENS COMMITTEE MADE UP OF BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL AS

RESIDENTS TO HELP ADJUST AND CRAFT NEW PROVISIONS FOR A

NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU.

SO I WOULD ASK YOU FIRST, REPEAL THIS ORDINANCE AS IT IS.

AT THE VERY LEAST, AMEND IT, AMEND THE EXISTING ORDINANCE TO

INSERT THE WARNING PROVISIONS BACK INTO IT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

14:20:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED TODAY.

IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED, YOU WILL HAVE NO ORDINANCE ON THE

BOOK, PERIOD, CORRECT?

14:21:27 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

NO, THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

THERE IS A NOISE ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS CONTAINED IN CHAPTER

14.

CITY CODE.

THE ORDINANCE THAT THIS ORDINANCE WAS REPEALED MADE FOUR

VERY DISTINCT AMENDMENTS TO THE EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO ALL IT WOULD DO IS REPEAL THOSE AMENDMENTS OF THE

ORDINANCE AS IT EXISTS PRIOR TO THOSE AMENDMENTS WOULD STILL

STAND, UNLESS AND UNTIL OTHER AMENDMENTS ARE ADOPTED TO




CHANGE THOSE.

SO WE WOULD HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS.

14:22:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW WE STOPPED THE COMMUNITY

CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION TO CONTINUE

IN APRIL WOULD COME BACK AND INSERT WHAT WE DO TO MAKE THE

ORDINANCE GO BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE BUSINESS

COMMUNITY, AND PUBLIC AT LARGE.

SO WE STOPPED IT AND WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT PROCESS?

AND PEOPLE STILL HAVE CONCERNS, DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE,

THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

SO NO MATTER WHAT WE DO TODAY, WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF

MAKING SURE EVERYONE -- WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY

HAPPY.

BUT WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUE WE ARE NOT ENGAGED WITH THE

PEOPLE AND THE BUSINESSES, SO I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM I

REALLY HAVING WITH ALL OF THIS.

14:22:56 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WELL, MR. CHAIR, SO WHAT HAPPENED,

WE DID HAVE THE FIRST OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON

FEBRUARY 15th WHICH IS TWO DAYS BEFORE COUNCIL TOOK UP

THIS REPEALING ORDINANCE.

WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

IF COUNCIL IS GOING TO APPEAL THE NOISE ORDINANCE

ENDMENTS, WHAT'S GOING TO REPLACE THEM?

WHAT'S THE NEW PROPOSAL, AND WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSAL?

STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS TO WHAT WAY




THEY WANTED TO GO, IF IT WASN'T WITH THESE SPECIFIC

ENDMENTS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, AND

SO THAT WAS THE CONCERN, WAS THAT WE DIDN'T V ANYTHING, ANY

RESPONSE FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND WITHOUT FURTHER ADVICE FROM

CITY COUNCIL, WE REALLY WAR AT A LOSS AS TO HOW TO MOVE

FORWARD WITH GETTING PERMITS FROM AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS

SCHEDULED NOT TO EXIST ANYMORE.

14:23:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HAVE YOU GUYS MET WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS TO

BE SEE WHAT DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO NOW?

14:23:53 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WELL, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH

INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS BUT OF COURSE WE NEED A MOTION

FROM COUNCIL AS A BODY, THAT'S WHERE WE TAKE DIRECTION.

AND I NOVEMBER I HAVE HAD PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH

INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THERE REALLY WASN'T A

CONSENSUS AS TO HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

SO WE REALLY WERE TRYING TO GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS A

BODY.

14:24:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TELL ME HOW YOUR OFFICE NEEDS TO MOVE

FORWARD SO YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR THE CITIZENS --

FOR THE RESIDENT AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS.

THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT, IS HOW YOUR OFFICE CAN MOVE, FOR

YOU TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

YOU ARE GOING TO ONE THAT NEEDS TO CRAFT TO MAKE SOME

CONCESSIONS TO SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS FOR THE CITIZENS AND

THE BUSINESS OWNERS.




THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I WANT TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT.

14:24:49 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC

OPPORTUNITY.

COUNCILMAN GUDES, FROM THE LEGAL OFFICE OF MY OFFICE, WE ARE

GOING TO CARRY FORTH WHATEVER DIRECTION COUNCIL PROVIDES.

SO I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT STAFF TO TELL YOU, WE WORKSHOPPED

THE ITEMS WITH YOU AND THE COUNCIL VOTED ON THOSE FOUR

ITEMS.

THAT WAS ALL A DIRECTION TO THEN GO TO THE COMMUNITY FROM

THE MEETING.

NOW THAT YOU ARE REPEALING THAT, WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT THE

DIRECTION IS.

SO WE NEED TO BE KNOW WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE.

YOU HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS IN CHANNELSIDE.

THAT WAS AN UNDISPUTED AREA OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO

CHANGE CHANNELSIDE TO PLAINLY AUDIBLE.

THERE WAS NO QUESTION BY ANYONE ABOUT THAT.

BUT IT IS WRAPPED UP IN THIS AMENDMENT --

14:25:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I UNDERSTAND THE LEGALESE.

THOSE POINTS WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THOSE POINTS.

SO THOSE POINTS TO BE CONCERNED --

14:25:55 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHICH

POINTS OR WHICH AMENDMENTS YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SO

WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT.




RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NOT SURE.

14:26:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE GO TO MR. CARLSON.

HE HAD HIS HAND UP.

THEN MR. VIERA AND MR. CITRO.

14:26:11 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A REMINDER, WE HAD STAFF A COUPLE

YEARS WORKING ON THE CHANGES, THE FOUR CHANGES, AND THEN WE

PASSED IT, AND AS MUCH AS I LIKE FORMER COUNCILMEMBER

DINGFELDER, IT SOUNDED LIKE HE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM

YBOR CITY.

HE SAID INSTEAD OF FIXING AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE, LET'S

CANCEL IT AND START OVER.

AND I OBJECTED TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE ORDINANCE, CALLED

THE ORDINANCE OF THE FOUR CHANGES THAT GOES INTO EFFECT IN

AUGUST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

14:26:51 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
JULY.

14:26:52 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO WE PUT IT FAR OUT SO WE WOULD HAVE

PLENTY OF TIME, HAVE PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN WE CAN CHANGE IT

BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE THE STRUCTURE OR SOMETHING, IF WE

CANCELED THAT PART TODAY, THEN WE HAVE TO START OVER WITH A

WHOLE NEW PROCESS AND PROPOSAL SOMETHING COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT.

AND SO I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST CANCELING THE FOUR

CHANGES, AGAIN, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BETTER TO LISTEN TO THE

PUBLIC AND MODIFY IT.

ALSO, WE HAVE GIVEN STAFF THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO PASS




SOMETHING BY HAVING LEFT THE FOUR CHANGES IN PLACE, THAT

GIVES MORE REASON FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE AND GIVE US

FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE CAN -- TRY TO EDIT WHATEVER -- [~AUDIO

DISTORTION~]

14:27:38 >> AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.

SO I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK

IT'S BETTER TO EDIT THE FOUR POINTS THAN TO GO BARK TO ZERO.

14:27:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK WHAT MR. DINGFELDER'S POINT WAS --

AND YOU ARE RIGHT, BECAUSE I HAD A QUESTION, THE BUSINESS

OWNERS LOOK AT IT AS IF WE GO AHEAD WITH THE ORIGINAL AND

HAVE THAT TIME OUT, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THEIR

BUSINESSES, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY START -- PEOPLE

ARE DOING THINGS, AND THIS HAPPENS.

NOW, IF THEY LOSE MONEY, THEY HAVE LAWSUITS, SO THAT'S A

CONCERN.

SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW DO WE FIX THAT?

THEN YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT HOW

DO YOU FIX THAT PORTION FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS, WHATEVER

THEY HAVE.

ARE THEY GRANDFATHERED INTO THAT POINT OR WHAT HAVE YOU?

SO THAT'S THE CONCERN OF BUSINESS OWNERS, WHICH THE

ORDINANCE, I THOUGHT, WAS CRAFTED, A FEW MORE TWEAKS WITH

YBOR, BUT A BIG PORTION IS, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, THERE IS

CONCERN HOW COULD IT DEAL WITH THEIR BOOKINGS.

SO I THINK THAT'S THEIR MAJOR CONCERN.




14:28:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST LIKE MY SECOND BITE, THE MAIN POINT OF

CONTENTION WAS, THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER MIDNIGHT.

IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF THE VENUES IN YBOR, MOST OF THEM

PRIMARILY HAVE INDOOR, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT HAVE

OUTDOOR.

BUT WE ARE NOT SHUTTING IT DOWN.

ONE OF THE BUILDINGS HAS LIKE FIVE FLOORS AND THIS ONLY

EXACT THE TOP FLOOR.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WOULD SHUT DOWN.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN HAVE ACOUSTIC NOISE.

I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE ACOUSTIC GUITAR.

THEY CAN'T HAVE AMPLIFIED NOISE AFTER MIDNIGHT.

IT DOES AFFECT SO BUSINESSES BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT MOST AND

IT ALSO IMPACTED PERFORMING ARTS CENTERS LIKE THE CUBAN

CLUB.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE A CARVE OUT FOR THEM AND WE NEED TO TALK

TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN YBOR THAT HAVE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED

SOUND AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF

COMPROMISE WE CAN HAVE.

BUT I THINK LESS THAN TEN BUSINESSES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO

ADDRESS AS OPPOSED TO THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS WHO WANT A

SOLUTION.

14:29:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA?

14:29:49 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.




JUST MY THOUGHTS, I THINK THE PROPER WAY TO GO, JUST UPON

REVIEW, DISCUSSING WITH STAFF, AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU

ALL'S HARD WORK 100% ON THIS.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT WITH A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH,

ET CETERA, IS TO, NUMBER ONE, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION, AND

SOME FOLKS TALKED ABOUT SOME SORT OF A CITIZENS COMMITTEE.

I THINK WHAT'S CLEAR IS THAT CHANNELSIDE NEEDS HELP NOW,

NOW, NOW.

I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP FOR THIS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE VOTED TO REPEAL THIS, I THINK IT WAS --

(AUDIO DROP)

CHANNELSIDE, LIKE I TALKED TO SOME OF THE FOLKS AT

CHANNELSIDE ABOUT A WEEK AGO, YOU HAVE ONE SIDE, YOU HAVE

YBOR CITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

THEN YOU HAVE GOT TAMPA PALMS.

SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THAT IS CHANNELSIDE.

AND WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD FROM

THIS ORDINANCE SO THAT WE CAN -- LIKE HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE,

DEAL WITH THE UNIQUE ISSUES INVOLVED IN YBOR CITY.

I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE IS CRAFTED, WOULD POSE A THREAT

THERE, SO REPEAL, DO SOME SORT OF COMMITTEE LIKE REALLY

FAST, LIKE MOVING FORWARD, REALLY, REALLY FAST, AND THEN

FAST MOVING FORWARD WITH IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR AN ORDINANCE




FOR CHANNELSIDE.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

14:31:32 >> REPEAL, COMMITTEE, IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR CHANNELSIDE.

14:31:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.

14:31:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT'S ALL SEMANTICS, IN MY OPINION.

WE HAD AN ORDINANCE.

IT WASN'T GOING TO GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL JULY.

WE WERE TO COME BACK IN APRIL AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER.

NOW WE REPEAL THE ORDINANCE.

WE HAVE TO START ANEW.

AND WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.

IN MY OPINION, IT'S SEMANTICS.

THERE WAS A NOISE ORDINANCE MEETING SET FOR TUESDAY.

WE COULD HAVE HAD TWO MEETINGS UNDER OUR BELT THAT WOULD

HAVE BEEN WITH THE PUBLIC, BUSINESS OWNERS, AND EVERYBODY

ELSE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

NOW IN MY OPINION WE ARE TWO MONTHS BEHIND.

ON PAPER IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A 3-3 TIE VOTE ABOUT

THIS.

SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GIVE.

WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT IT.

THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT A PLACE

DOWN ON SOUTH MACDILL, THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A BAR, IN MY

OPINION.

I HAVE GOT BARS -- EXCUSE ME -- THE CITY HAS GOT BARS AND




RESTAURANTS OPENING UP THAT ARE INFRINGING UPON

NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO SLEEP AT 9:00,

10:00 AT NIGHT, BUT THAT BAR IS GOING TO BE PLAYING MUSIC

AFTER MIDNIGHT.

THERE'S A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE CITY-WIDE.

WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS

DECIDING ON WHAT MAY BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, WHAT MAY

NOT BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

WE ARE TWO MONTHS BEHIND.

IF NEED BE, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE SOMEWHERE.

THANK YOU.

14:33:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA?

14:33:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYONE.

HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT ANYONE HURTING SOMEBODY ELSE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

IT MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.

AND I SAID THIS BEFORE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM THAT EVERYONE HAD MUSIC OPEN.

SOME DIDN'T HAVE IT WAY BACK IN THE 50s AND 60s BUT THE

PLIFY ORDINANCE WASN'T AS STRONG AS IT IS TODAY.

IT'S TEN TIMES, 100 TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN THE SIZE OF

THIS BUILDING WHEN I WAS A KID.

SO THE PEOPLE AT 9:00, 10:00 AT NIGHT, BETWEEN THE HOURS OF




10 AND 2 IN THE MORNING?

SO THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING TO HAVE TO DO WITH THE

VOLUME, WHAT'S HEARD AND HOW IT'S HEARD.

PEOPLE HAVE TO SLEEP.

BUSINESSES HAVE TO SUCCEED.

SO SOMEHOW THEY HAVE TO MANAGE TO COME TO AN UNDERSTANDING

AND I BELIEVE BOTH SIDES ARE RIGHT, BUT I BELIEVE ONE SIDE

HAS TO GIVE MORE THAN THE OTHER.

BECAUSE IF IT AFFECTS PEOPLE 100 DAYS, ONLY 15 SOMETIMES

THAT MEANS 15 DAYS THEY DON'T SLEEP.

THAT'S A LOT TO ME.

NOT 100% F.THIS THING SOLVES 100% OF THE PROBLEMS WE

WOULDN'T BE HERE.

BUT WE ARE HERE.

LET'S SAY IT'S 50%.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

EVERY THIRD DAY YOU DON'T SLEEP?

EVERY TWO AND A HALF DAYS US DON'T SLEEP?

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK OUT.

AND BOTH SIDES ARE NOT COMING TO THE TABLE, ESPECIALLY ONE

SIDE, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND ABOUT BUSINESS, I UNDERSTAND IT'S

ABOUT HAVING FEELINGS AND ALL THAT.

I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.

HOWEVER, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO SLEEP.

AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT THIRD HOUR UNLESS PEOPLE




CAN SLEEP.

THAT'S ALL IT TAKES.

BUT IF IT'S A 3-3 TIE, THAT ORDINANCE IS STILL IN EFFECT

UNTIL THIS ONE IS PASSED.

THAT'S HOW IT ALWAYS IS.

AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE IN COURT, I GUESS.

BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THINGS THAT -- RIGHT NOW WE AREN'T EVEN

CLOSE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE ONES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, MR. CITRO,

AND I UNDERSTAND THE REST OF THEM.

BUT LISTEN, IN THE OLD DAYS -- AND I AM TALKING ABOUT THE

OLD DAYS -- THERE WAS NO DRINKING IN THE STREETS.

IN FACT, THERE WERE BLUE LAWS, YOU COULDN'T EVEN DO SERVICE

AT A CERTAIN TIME.

BLUE WENT TO THE SKY AND EVERYBODY CAN DRINK IN THE STREET.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

THAT'S WHAT SOCIETY WANTS, THAT'S WHAT THEY GOT.

HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DUI RATIO THEN AND NOW, I THINK

THEY GOT IT TAKEN AWAY BUT LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.

IF YOU DON'T DRINKERS YOU CAN'T GET A DUI, AND YOU CAN'T GET

A DUI.

THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.

14:36:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

14:36:52 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

IF THE REPEAL ORDINANCE IS NOT ADOPTED, THEN THE ORDINANCE




ENDMENTS THAT WERE ADOPTED ON JANUARY 13th WILL STAND.

14:37:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THEY WILL STAND.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS -- IT GOES BACK

TO -- GOES BACK TO THE MONTH.

HOLD OFF AND ASSURE THEM OR SAY, LISTEN, GIVEN THAT TIME

FRAME, FOUR OR FIVE, THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO -- SO THEY

DON'T LOSE THAT, AND NOT SUED BECAUSE THEY ARE WAITING ON

THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION.

WE WOULD HAVE THAT TIME TO MAKE IT WORK AND GET A FIT.

AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MAKING SOMETHING WORK, BUT DO

THAT TO MAKE IT WORK.

THIS MAY BE HOW TO MAKE IT WORK TO EASE THE PAIN RIGHT NOW

FOR EVERYBODY.

14:38:16 >> SUSAN POINTED AT ME.

EITHER ONE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

IT'S REALLY CONFUSING FOR STAFF AND IT'S ALSO CONFUSING FOR

THE PUBLIC WHERE WE ARE, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

WHAT IS NOT CONFUSING IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF CHANNELSIDE

ARE ASKING.

SO IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FORWARD AND REPEAL THIS ORDINANCE,

YOU WOULD BE STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING AND WE WILL BE

STARTING OVER.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA THAT WE CAN APPOINT AN AD HOC




COMMITTEE THAT IS A MIX OF BOTH RESIDENTIAL REPRESENTATIVES

AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO COME TO SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS

AND PRESENT TO COUNCIL SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT BOTH SIDES

ARE HAPPY WITH.

SO I THINK YOU CAN TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION IF YOU ARE SO

INCLINED TO REPEAL THIS ORDINANCE, THEN MAKE A MOTION TO

DIRECT STAFF TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO R, OUT FROM THE

BUSINESS REQUIREMENTS, AND MAKE IT PLAINLY AUDIBLE.

SUSAN IS GOING TO CORRECT IT IN A MINUTE.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT SIX MONTHS OR EFFECTIVE, EFFECTIVE

DATE FOR THAT.

YOU CAN MAKE IT EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY ONCE YOU APPROVE THAT

ORDINANCE.

THE THIRD IS IF YOU HAVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE YOU HAVE

DIRECTED STAFF TO COME BACK REGARDING DEFINING ENTERTAINMENT

DISTRICTS, AND THERE IS NO ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT BY

DEFINITION IN OUR CODE, SO WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

YOU CAN USE THAT WORKSHOP INSTEAD TO HAVE A REPORT BACK FROM

THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT YOU APPOINT, AND WE WILL HAVE

SOMETHING A LITTLE SOONER THAN LATER AND ALLOW THE

BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS TO FIND A BALANCE AND WE WILL WORK

ALONGSIDE THEM TO DO THAT.

14:40:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO MR. VIERA WILL WORK THAT OUT.

14:40:11 >>LUIS VIERA:
I JUST DID.

THANK YOU, SIR.




THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST AS A PACKAGE WHICH IS THE THREE

ELEMENTS OF THE COMMITTEE, IMMEDIATE REPEAL AND THEN

IMMEDIATE RELIEF RIGHT NOW FOR CHANNELSIDE.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS IMPORTANT, WHICH IS WE COULD BE

JUST LIKE STARTING OVER, TO QUOTE JOHN LENNON'S GREATEST

SOLO, BY THE WAY, BUT I THINK TAKING AS A PACKAGE, WE ARE

NOT JUST REPEALING IT.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY WERE

VERY FRUSTRATED BY THE REPEAL BECAUSE IT SENDS A MESSAGE WE

ARE DOING NOTHING.

BY DOING THIS WE ARE SAYING, LISTEN, WE ARE GOING TO GET

PEOPLE TOGETHER, RIGHT, TO THE AFFECTED AREAS TO BALANCE OUT

RESIDENTIAL INTERESTS WITH BUSINESS INTERESTS.

I THINK SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT.

WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR CHANNELSIDE.

A LOT OF FOLKS FROM CHANNELSIDE HERE, A LOT OF FOLKS FROM

CHANNELSIDE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND TO OTHERS.

I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SEEN AS A PACKAGE, I THINK WE

CAN OVERCOME 3-3.

MAYBE I AM RIGHT BUT MAYBE I AM NAIVE HERE.

14:41:11 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
COUNCIL IS TRYING TO BE PROVIDE RELIEF AND

TRYING TO LISTEN TO BOTH SIDE.

14:41:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, MR. CITRO, MR. CARLSON,

ANYTHING ON THAT ISSUE?

14:41:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE NEED HELP THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WE




NEED MORE THAN JUST A FIVE MINUTE RULE.

SOUTH TAMPA HAS SOUND PROBLEMS ALL OVER.

AND MR. CITRO MENTIONED THIS, AND I WOULD RATHER KEEP THE

THING AS IT IS THAN CANCEL IT.

BUT IF YOU ALL VOTE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, THEN I WOULD

JUST ASK THAT THE REST OF THE CITY HAS TO BE INCLUDED.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S

REASONABLE FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.

I THINK IT STARTED WITH COUNCILMEMBER CITRO ASKING A

QUESTION, WHY IS IT THAT EVERY ALCOHOLIC HEARING WE HAVE TO

ASK ABOUT OUT DOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND?

SO HE WAS TRYING TO A ADDRESS IT SYSTEMICALLY.

14:42:11 >> IF YOU APPROVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE YOU CAN -- THAT CAN BE

A CHARGE OF THE COMMITTEE.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, IS TO DO THIS CITY-WIDE

AND NOT ON A PIECEMEAL BASIS, OR THAT HELPS WITH

ENFORCEMENT, EVERY TIME, A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOES OUT,

YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT YOUR ASSIGNMENTS ARE AND THAT WOULD

TAKE YOU OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF ASKING THAT QUESTION WITH

ALCOHOL SALES LICENSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME BEFORE YOU.

IT TAKES AWAY THE NOISE PIECE OUT OF IT.

14:42:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY ALL MORNING

LONG.

THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE, WOULD IT BE A COMMITTEE THAT IS OPEN

TO THE PUBLIC, ARE THERE GOING TO BE MINUTES TAKEN, IS IT




GOING TO BE NOTICED?

SURE, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE RESTAURANT AND BAR OWNERS.

THAT'S THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, THE CITIZENS

LIVING RIGHT NEXT TO SOME OF THESE BARS OR DOWN THE STREET

FROM THESE BARS.

SO IF I CAN BE GUARANTEED, YES, THEY ARE GOING TO BE OPEN,

NOTICED, THERE'S GOING TO BE LEGISLATION, I WOULD BE FOR

THAT.

14:43:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY?

14:43:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, IF I CAN.

IF PART OF YOUR MOTION IS TO DELEGATE THE AUTHORITY TO

CREATE THAT AD HOC BOARD, YOU ARE ACTUALLY DELEGATING

SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING BACK WITH

RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I THINK BY ITS NATURE WOULD BE A SUNSHINE BOARD AND THE

REQUIREMENTS OF ANYBODY THAT THINKS OTHERWISE, PLEASE SAY

SO.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS ONCE YOU VOTE TO DELEGATE AUTHORITY

TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU ARE IN FACT

DELEGATING CREATING A SUNSHINE BOARD.

14:43:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

14:44:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF IT PASSES THEN MAYBE COUNCILMAN VIERA




CAN MAKE HIS PROPOSAL IN A MOTION.

14:44:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

ITEM 61, IN THAT CASE.

14:44:16 >> I'LL READ IT.

14:44:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE.

14:44:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:


14:44:31 >> SECOND.

14:44:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE CLOSED.

MR. MANISCALCO.

14:44:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 14.

AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND

ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA

REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-18 RELATING TO THE

REGULATION OF NOISE, CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES

CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE 3, NOISE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,

PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

14:44:53 >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.

IF I MAY.

AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON REQUESTED, THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE

ISSUE FROM THE COMMITTEE AND IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR

CHANNELSIDE BUT IN MY MIND THEY ARE ALL TOGETHER.

BUT SECOND.

14:45:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT A ROLL CALL?

ALL RIGHT.




14:45:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOT TO BE FIRST.

THANK YOU.

I WANT TO VOTE NO ON THIS BUT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

I HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED MY OPINIONS ON THIS NOISE

ORDINANCE, CITY-WIDE.

SO YES, I WILL VOTE FOR IT.

14:45:33 >> NO.

14:45:37 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.

14:45:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

14:45:40 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

14:45:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

14:45:42 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CARLSON VOTING

NO.

14:45:46 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.

THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION WITH TWO PARTS AND PLEASE FEEL

FREE TO AMEND IT.

NUMBER ONE, DIRECTING STAFF TO REPORT TO US.

WE CAN GET WITH THE TIME, I WOULD SAY -- I MEAN, I WOULD

LIKE THIS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.

LET ME ASK YOU GUYS, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU NEED TO COME

BACK WITH THE SPECIFICS OF THE COMMITTEE, AD HOC COMMITTEE

AND WHATNOT?

14:46:06 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

AND PROBABLY REACH OUT TO SOME OF YOU, BUT A COMMITTEE, JUST

SAYING THERE NEED TO BE AN APPROACH CITY-WIDE AND BALANCED,




I THINK IT'S REALLY UP TO COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE YOUR AD HOC

COMMITTEE.

YOU COULD APPOINT THE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE WHERE YOU

ARE INCLINED.

14:46:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T SEE THAT APPROACH.

I REALLY DON'T.

I SEE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITIES, YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD

ASSOCIATIONS.

YOU ARE GOING TOO FAR.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL SPEAK THEIR PIECE.

YOU HAVE THE BUSINESS OWNERS.

YOU HAVE THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO THAT STRETCH, AD HOC COMMITTEE.

I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE ENGAGEMENT, YOU NEED TO HAVE --

MEETINGS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS COMING UP WITH IDEAS

AND PERHAPS AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I JUST DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO GO THAT FAR TO HAVE SUNSHINE

AND ALL THAT STUFF, IT'S GOING TO GET POLITICAL THERE, GOOD

OLD-FASHIONED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS

OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, AND TALKING TO THE BUSINESSES.

14:47:28 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND I WOULD MOTION FOR -- I WILL TRY TO PUT THESE INTO ONE

MOTION.




NUMBER ONE, FOR STAFF TO RETURN TO US IN A MONTH, 30, IS

THAT OKAY?

AND WE CAN GET THE DATE ON AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.

AGAIN I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THINGS TO FILL IN

THERE TO DISCUSS IT WITH ALL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO WE CAN

COME BACK ON THAT.

AND THEN SECONDLY, TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE WITH NOON DELAY

INCORPORATING IMMEDIATE CHANGES FOR CHANNELSIDE DISTRICT FOR

IMMEDIATE NOISE RELIEF.

LONG DAY.

14:48:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION BEFORE

WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS, JUST A REMINDER, THE CLERK CAN CORRECT

ME, BUT THERE IS THAT MATTER THAT'S STILL SET, ALTHOUGH IT

DOESN'T MAKE REFERENCE TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT IF I LOOK

AT THE THIRD ITEM DOWN ON THE 28th OF APRIL, THERE'S A

WORKSHOP, STAFF TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THE

FEEDBACK PROVIDED COMMUNITY AND A REPORT AND RECOMMEND

ENDMENTS TO THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE.

IT MAKES NO REFERENCE TO WHAT THAT IS, BUT I ASSUME --

14:48:40 >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
IT IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

14:48:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT REMNANT, THAT

THAT IT'S BEEN APPEALED, YOU STILL HAVE THAT WORKSHOP SET --

14:48:50 >>LUIS VIERA:
WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF, I ASSUME, GIVEN -- IF I

MAY.

I MEAN, IT'S A WEEK BEFORE.




THEY ARE COMING BACK TO US A WEEK BEFORE.

NOW A WEEK BEFORE AS OPPOSED TO THE 28th.

14:49:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD ASK COUNCIL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO

RESOLVING THAT ISSUE AS WELL AS YOUR MOTION.

THE OTHER THING, COUNCIL, IS THE CONCEPT OF AN AD HOC BOARD

BE CREATED BY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE

WAY THE CHAIR DESCRIBED AND TAKES ON A LIFE OF ALMOST A

CITIZEN BUDGET AND FINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND MEET WITH

INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TALK ABOUT THE -- I JUST WANT

YOU TO NOTICE THAT IT WOULD BE A SUNSHINE BOARD AND IT WOULD

BE MUCH MORE INVOLVED THAN THE AD HOC COMMITTEE OF CITY

COUNCIL.

IT'S VERY UNUSUAL.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I AM GOING TO BE ASKING COUNCIL TO PUT

THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO BE DISCUSSED.

SO THAT BEING THE CASE, LOGISTICALLY IT CREATES A LOT MORE

COMPLEXITY THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN I THIS I THIS

COUNCIL WANTS TO SPEND ON IT.

14:50:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

14:50:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW THIS FROM YOUR

APPOINTEES, BUT THAT COMMITTEE, WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME

STAFFING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE GET A QUORUM AND

SUNSHINE AND EVERYTHING.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO EITHER ASK STAFF TO COME

BACK WITH A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, OR ASK THEM TO HAVE A




CERTAIN NUMBER OF MEETINGS.

IDEALLY, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE AN IDEAL SITUATION,

WE WOULD HAVE EIGHT MEETINGS, TWO IN EACH DISTRICT, ONE

WOULD BE BUSINESS, ONE BUSINESS MEETING IN EACH DISTRICT AND

ONE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN EACH DISTRICT.

AND INVITE ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS IN THAT DISTRICT,

AND ALL THE BUSINESS LEADERS IN THAT DISTRICT SO WE CAN HEAR

FROM THEM SEPARATELY.

ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT CROSS OVER, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR

FROM THE BUSINESS LEADERS, IDEALLY BY THEMSELVES, IN CASE

THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR THEIR SPECIFIC INTERESTS, AND

THE SAME WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

IF WE COULD DO THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, OR THAT WOULD

BE FANTASTIC.

WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND THEN I THINK THE

STAFF, AND THE OTHER MEETINGS, THEY ARE GOOD AT LISTENING TO

THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK, AND YOU ALL CAN COMPILE IT AND SAME

HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE HEARD.

14:51:27 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.

AND I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

AND IF THAT'S WHERE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO TO AVOID THE

COMPLEXITY ISSUES, I THINK THE DISPOSITIVE ISSUE IS WE WANT

TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY REACHES OUT TO ALL AFFECTED

COMMUNITIES, AND THEN USES THE TALENTS OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE

THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED FOR POTENTIAL COMMITTEE, WHETHER IT




COMES THROUGH A COMMITTEE OR VIGOROUS ENGAGEMENT, EITHER WAY

IS FINE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME GOAL.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

BUT AGAIN, SO WHAT I WILL DO THEN IS, IF I MAY, IS AMEND MY

MOTION FOR NUMBER ONE, FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED IMMEDIATE

RELIEF FOR CHANNELSIDE TO BE PRESENTED TO US IN AN

ORDINANCE.

WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT?

14:52:10 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WE CAN PRESENT THAT AT THE NEXT

MEETING.

14:52:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
LET'S DO THAT.

I KNOW OUR FRIENDS AT CHANNELSIDE WOULD LOVE THAT.

THEN NUMBER TWO FOR A PLAN OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO BE

PRESENTED, YOU ALL CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND MAYBE TAKE

THAT APRIL 21st DATE TO UPDATE US ON THE PLAN OF ACTION,

HOW IT'S GOING, ET CETERA.

IS THAT GOOD WITH EVERYBODY?

14:52:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ON THE FLOOR REFERENCE TO THE

ORDINANCE FOR CHANNEL DISTRICT.

14:52:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
APRIL 7th.

14:52:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
APRIL 7th.

ALL RIGHT.

14:52:49 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]

14:52:53 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WOULD BE FINE WITH FIRST READING.




LET'S GET IT.

14:52:56 >> SECOND.

14:52:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

ROLL CALL, MR. SHELBY?

14:53:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.

14:53:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

MR. VIERA?

14:53:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.

AND THEN SECOND FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT

PLAN TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO US FOR THE STATUS OF IT ON APRIL

21st, IF I MAY.

14:53:19 >> THANK YOU.

SO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WE HAVE AFTER THE PLAN COMES OUT

TO YOU, AGAIN I DO NEED TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE TAKING

TO THE PUBLIC TO ASK FOR COMMENTS.

WE DID NOT, WHEN WE DID THE WORKSHOP, WE DID THAT, WE DID A

LOT OF OUTREACH AND WE DID A LOT OF -- DOWN TO THE FOUR

ITEMS.

EVERYONE WASN'T HAPPY, BUT THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE FOUR.

SO WHEN WE HOLD THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE, I NEED A LITTLE

MORE DIRECTION FROM YOU EXACTLY WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO COME

BACK?

GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE.




14:54:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK THAT'S BEHIND THE SCENES THAT

COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR.

I HAVE A LOT OF ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

SOME PEOPLE DON'T BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, ONE, WHAT IS AN

ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT?

WHERE IS IT LOCATED AT?

TWO, TALK ABOUT DECIBEL NOISE, AMPLIFIED SOUND, ANYONE THAT

COMES TO TAMPA, THEY WANT TO BE OUTSIDE, IT'S HOT, THEY WANT

TO BE INSIDE, CLOSED DOORS, AND BUSINESSES HAVE OUTSIDE

ENTERTAINING.

SO IT COMES DOWN TO THAT, AND COMES DOWN TO -- IF IT HAS TO

BE DISCUSSED WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT

OF PEOPLE, THEY ARE WORKING AT NIGHT OUTSIDE.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

AND LOOK AT THAT AS ANOTHER ASPECT.

LOOK AT YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHAT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING ABOUT BOOM, BOOM, BOOM,

NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN, WHAT WILL BE THE POLICE ROLE AS FAR

AS CITATIONS OR FIVE MINUTE WARNING?

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE KEY COMPONENTS TO YOUR NOISE.

AND AGAIN, SOMETHING HAS TO BE EXPLAINED, THE BUILDING.

NOW YOU HAVE TO LOOK -- A LOT OF THIS NEW MUSIC AND STUFF,

IT'S A DIFFERENT TIME AND ERA FOR MAKING THIS STUFF.

SO OKAY, IF IT'S INSIDE A BUILDING, HOW LOUD, WHAT THE AMPS




CAN BE SO IT DOESN'T VIBRATE ON THE REBAR ON THE BUILDING?

BUT TO A BUSINESS OWNER, WHEN PEOPLE HEAR NOISE, PEOPLE ARE

LOOKING TO SEE WHERE THE NOISE IS COMING FROM.

SO IT HAS TO BE TO HOW MUCH IS HAPPENING IN THAT BUILDING?

THE LEVELS, SOME BUSINESS OWNERS, AT LEAST GO IN AND WHERE

IS IT AT?

THOSE ARE MY MAIN POINTS.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN SO WE CAN BRING THIS IN FOR A

LANDING?

ANYONE ELSE?

MR. VIERA.

14:56:27 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

AND AGAIN, WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT

PLAN BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON APRIL 21st, JUST FOR THE

SAKE OF TIME, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE START TO GO ON

SPECIFICS -- AND I SITE THAT RESPECTFULLY.

SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

THANK YOU.

14:56:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD INCLUDE TO ASK ANOTHER BAR OR

RESTAURANT IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AMPLIFIED

MUSIC.

I THINK IT'S THAT SIMPLE FOR ME.

THANK YOU.

I AM JUST MAKING A STATEMENT.

14:57:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.




WE HAVE SIX POINTS, CORRECT?

OR POSSIBLE POINTS.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

MR. SHELBY.

14:57:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THE SAKE OF CLEANING UP THE AGENDA, TO

REMOVE THAT ITEM REGARDING NOISE FROM THE APRIL 28th

WORKSHOP?

14:57:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED, CITRO SECOND IT.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

14:57:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.

14:57:32 >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH MR. CITRO ON THE AMPLIFIED

SOUND THING.

14:57:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.

THIS MEETING IS --

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE NUMBER 61.

WE GO TO 262.

14:57:53 >>REBECCA JOHNS:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS THE SECOND READING ON THE TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS

AND PROHIBITION ON THE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION.




WE PROVIDED YOU WITH A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.

INITIALLY THE ORDINANCE PROVIDED FOR A MARCH 1st DATE OF

COMMENCEMENT OF PENALTIES.

DUE TO THE TIMING AND TO GIVE US TIME TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC,

WE PUSHED THAT BACK TO JUNE 1st.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS AS IT WAS.

SO WE ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

14:58:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE LADY?

ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

ANYONE REGISTERED?

ANYONE REGISTERED?

ALL RIGHT.

14:58:55 >>THE CLERK:
I HAVE MS. STROHMEYER, IF YOU COULD PLEASE

UNMUTE YOURSELF.

14:58:57 >> HELLO?

14:59:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HELLO.

YOU ARE BACK.

14:59:05 >> HI. GOOD AFTERNOON.

HAPPY SAINT PATRICK'S DAY EVERYBODY.

THIS IS THE TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS ISSUE.

AND I WAS A LANDLORD ONCE, AND FRANKLY, I THINK THE LANDLORD

TENANT RELATIONSHIP SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE.

I NEVER -- I JUST FEEL THAT THIS IS GOING TO PUT AN UNDUE

BURDEN ON SMALL LANDLORDS THAT MIGHT HAVE ONE PROPERTY,




MAYBE LIKE -- ENDED UP WITH A PROPERTY AND ANY GOVERNMENTAL

INTEREST IN PROPERTY, THAT REQUIRES AN INSPECTION, THEN THEY

TAKE THE MONEY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T RECEIVE IT, FRANKLY, I

WOULDN'T -- WELL, I WAS A GOOD LANDLORD, BUT EVEN SO, I

STILL WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY COMING IN IF I MAKE AN

APPOINTMENT FOR SOMEBODY FOR MY APARTMENT OR UNIT WHEN IT

SHOULDN'T BE ANYBODY'S BUSINESS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO WITH A

CONTRACT WITH A TENANT.

THAT'S SIMPLE BASIC CONTRACT LAW.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONTRACT IF THEY LIVE THERE, AND WHENEVER

THE CONTRACT IS UP.

[ INAUDIBLE ]

I COULD BE WRONG BUT I DON'T THINK I AM.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

15:00:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, JEAN.

NEXT SPEAKER.

15:00:53 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.

HOWEVER, SHE IS NOT LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME.

15:00:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON

THIS ITEM?

MOTION TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY VIERA.

MOTION GRANTED.

15:01:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
BEFORE THAT, IF I MAY.

I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN IN

PLACE IN THE COUNTY.




WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE SKY FALL IN THE COUNTY.

I THINK TO THE CONTRARY, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS TENANTS AND A

LOT OF APARTMENTS AND DIFFERENT PLACES, NUMBER ONE, KNOW

THEIR RIGHTS, KNOW THEIR RIGHTS ON HABITABILITY, ON

DISCRIMINATION ISSUES LIKE THE 1968 HOUSING LAW, ET CETERA,

ET CETERA.

WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE EMPOWERED KNOWING THEIR RIGHTS THAT WERE

VERY HARD FOUGHT FOR.

AND SECOND THIS IS AN ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT FIGHTS DISCRIMINATION SAYING THAT

IF YOUR LAWFUL SOURCE OF INCOME, LAWFUL SOURCE OF INCOME,

DEALS WITH SOMETHING LIKE A HOUSING VOUCHER SECTION 8, IF

IT'S SSI, SSD, IF IT'S VETERANS BENEFITS, YOU MAY NOT

DISCRIMINATE BASED UPON THAT LAWFUL SOURCE OF INCOME.

IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE PERSON, DOESN'T MANDATE

THAT.

JUST YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS A CONSIDERATION TO DENY SOMEBODY

HOUSING, GIVEN OUR HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE

WITH RENTAL PRICES GOING UP ABOUT A QUARTER THE LAST YEAR.

THIS TO ME IS A MODICUM OF DIGNITY WHENEVER IT COMES TO THIS

ISSUE.

I LOOK FORWARD TO PASSING THIS AND I THANK EVERYBODY'S HARD

WORK.

CHAIRMAN GUDES, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP AND I

APPRECIATE IT.




15:02:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

MR. CARLSON.

15:02:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR THAT DESCRIPTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER E 2022-8-CH 12.

ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING -- I WAS ABOUT

TO READ IT.

SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND

OPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AMENDING

THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE ORDINANCES CHANT 2 TO ADD ARTICLE 7,

TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE PROHIBITION OF SOURCE OF

INCOME DISCRIMINATION AND SECTIONS 12-140 THROUGH 12-145

WITHIN SAID ARTICLE, PROVIDING FOR A TITLE, PROVIDING FOR

DEFINITION, PROVIDING FOR A REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE TENANTS

WITH A NOTICE OF RIGHTS, PROVIDING FOR A TITLE, PROVIDING

FOR PROHIBITION ON SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION,

PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT, AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS,

PROVIDING FOR EXEMPTIONS, A AMENDING SECTIONS 12-4-A,

12-5-E, 19-4-A, AND 23.5-5-D OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF

ORDINANCES IN CONNECTION WITH THIS NEW ARTICLE 7, REPEALING

ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH,

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

15:04:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL.

15:04:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

15:04:06 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.




15:04:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

15:04:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

15:04:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

15:04:13 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

15:04:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 63.

15:04:16 >> STEVEN BENSON, PLANNING DIRECTOR.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.

THIS IS PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU FOR

SECOND READING TODAY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THE SUBJECT AMENDMENT WAS PROCESSED AS PART OF THE JULY 2021

TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE, AND INCLUDED A TOTAL OF NINE CODE

SECTIONS.

THE WORKSHOP WAS HELD IN MARCH OF 2021, AND OBJECTIONS WERE

ISSUED FOR STAFF HAD MAJOR CONCERNS AND REQUESTED

MODIFICATIONS.

BASED ON THESE OBJECTIONS, COORDINATION AND PUBLIC OUTREACH,

THE APPLICANT VOLUNTARILY WITHDREW FIVE ITEMS LEAVING ONLY

FOUR ITEMS FROM THE ORIGINAL TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST TO BE

CONSIDERED.

THE APPLICANTS ARE STEVE MICHELINI AND JOHN LUM AND THE FOUR

SECTIONS ARE NOTED ON THE SCREEN FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE.

NEXT SLIDE.

FIRST READING WAS HELD ON MARCH 3rd, 2022.

IT WHATS CONTINUED BY COUNCIL TO MARCH 17th, TODAY, WITH




A REQUEST FOR STAFF TO BE REVIEW THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED

AND PROVIDE FURTHER EVALUATION.

NO ADDITIONAL OBJECTIONS ARE OFFERED BY STAFF AT THIS TIME.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE STAFF'S

FURTHER EVALUATION OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO ASSIST

COUNCIL IN REACHING A DETERMINATION.

I AM GOING TO REVIEW EACH ITEM AND PROVIDE A SUMMARY AT THE

END OF THE PRESENTATION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

27-162, YARDS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.

THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWS FOR WHEN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT

CONTAINS MORE THAN ONE BUILDING THE REQUIRED STRUCTURAL

SEPARATION IS BASED ON A CALCULATION OF THE BUILDING

MASSING, THE LENGTH, THE WIDTH AND THE HEIGHT OF THE

BUILDING.

THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION IS TO REMOVE THE CALCULATION

REQUIREMENT AND ESTABLISH A STANDARD FOR YARDS BETWEEN

BUILDINGS THAT ARE SET 15 FEET.

NEXT SLIDE.

THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL CREATE A UNIFORM APPLICATION OF THE

SEPARATION, THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.

AS FAR AS IMPACTS GO, IMPACTS WILL VARY DEPENDING ON THE

CONSTRAINTS.

UNDERLINING ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL AS SITE SPECIFIC DETAILS

THAT AFFECT THE FORMULA CALCULATION, AND THOSE INPUTS




INCLUDE THE PROPOSED BUILDING SETBACKS, FRONT, REAR AND

SIDE.

THE LENGTH OF THE WALLS, THE LOT SIZE, AND THE DIMENSIONS.

ALL OF THESE FACTORS SHALL GOING TO ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT

THE CALCULATION COMES OUT HIGHER THAN 15 FEET OR LOWER THAN

15 SEAT SO IT'S GOING TO DEPEND.

THE EFFECTIVE ZONING DISTRICTS, A THAT THIS EFFECTS ARE

ALLOWED, HOWEVER ACCOUNT FOR 88% OF THE CITY'S LAND AREA.

NEXT SLIDE.

27-156, THE RM-24 ZONING DISTRICT.

THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWS THAT FOR EACH FOOT OF BUILDING

HEIGHT ABOVE 30 FEET IN THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY

DISTRICTS, THE REQUIRED YARD SHALL BE INCREASED BY ONE FOOT

AND THE DIAGRAM ON THE RIGHT SHOWS CONCEPTUALLY WHAT THAT

MEANS.

THAT STEP UP REQUIREMENT IS WHAT WE CALL IS IT A ONE FOR ONE

INCREASE OF UP TO 30 FEET IN HEIGHT AND YOU CAN SEE AS THE

HEIGHT INCREASES THE SETBACKS HAVE TO BE CINE HE IS AND THAT

BEGINS AT 30 FEET.

NEXT SLIDE.

THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION IS TO FOOTNOTE 2, WHICH REMOVES

THE HEIGHT THRESHOLD AND PLACES IT AT 35 FEET AND IF IMPACT

OF THAT IS SHOWN IN PURPLE ON THE CONCEPTUAL DIAGRAM.

NEXT SLIDE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS AMENDMENT TO CREATE MORE




CONSISTENCY IN THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING FORMS UP TO 35 FEET

AND REDUCE THE NEED TO SEEK WAIVERS FOR STRUCTURES UP TO 35

FEET THAT COMPLY WITH THE SAME MINIMUM SETBACKS THAT ARE

CURRENTLY REQUIRED FOR BUILDINGS UP TO 30 FEET IN HEIGHT SO

IT'S THE PURPLE AREA, THE PURPLE AREA BELOW THE 35-FOOT

LINE.

NEXT SLIDE.

YOU CAN SEE A COMPARISON OF BEFORE AND AFTER A WHAT THAT

MEANS, FOR UP TO 35 FEET AND BUILDINGS ABOVE 35 FEET.

THAT BUILDING ENVELOPE IS SHOWN IN PURPOSE.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS IMPORTANT.

FOR BUILDINGS BETWEEN 30 AND 60 FEET IN HEIGHT THE AMENDMENT

ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE FOLLOWING: EXTERIOR WALLS MAY BE PLACED

CLOSER TO THE FRONT, WE'RE AND SIDE PROPERTY LINES THAN WHAT

WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT CODE.

THE EXACT LOCATION OF THAT LINE STILL DEPENDS ON THE HEIGHT

OF THE BUILDING.

BUT WALLS EXCEEDING 35 FEET IN HEIGHT MAY BE PLACED UP TO 5

FEET CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINES IN ALL DIRECTIONS.

THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN THERE.

IF YOU SEE ABOVE THE 35-FOOT MARKER, THE TOP OF THAT WALL IS

NOW GOING INTO THE PURPLE, WHEREAS BEFORE IT WOULDN'T HAVE

BEEN ALLOWED TO GO INTO THE PURPLE SO THAT'S WHERE THE WALLS

ARE GOING CLOSER.




THAT IS THE PROPERTY LINE.

NEXT SLIDE.

IT'S BEEN ASKED WHERE THE 30-FOOT NUMBER CAME FROM AND WHAT

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT IS.

THE NUMBER IS RELEVANT TO SEVERAL OTHER SECTIONS OF THE

CODE.

THE TOTAL OF 4 RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS REQUIRE A

STEP-UP INCREASE.

THOSE ARE RM-24, RM-35, RM-50 AND RM-75. ALL FOUR DISTRICTS

USE THE 30 FOOT AS THE STARTING POINT FOR THE STEP-UP

INCREASE.

WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT RM-24 WILL BE THE ONLY

MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT THAT REQUIRES THE STEP UP AT 35

RATHER THAN 30.

WHILE THE AMENDMENT WOULD ESTABLISH A MORE CONSISTENT FORM

FOR BUILDINGS IN THE RM THAT MATCH SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING

DISTRICTS, IT ALSO CREATES AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE STEP-UP

INCREASE WHEN COMPARED TO ALL OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT

REQUIRE THE STEP-UP INCREASE.

NEXT SLIDE.

DUE TO THE FLEXIBILITY IN FORM, MASS AND BULK IN THE

EXISTING CODE, THE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES OF THE PROPOSED

ENDMENT ON INDIVIDUAL SITE DESIGNS ARE BASED UPON PROJECT

SITE SPECIFIC DAYS.

STAFF ESTIMATES THAT THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING ENVELOPE THAT




PURPLE AREA IS RELATIVELY SMALL BUT COULD ALLOW FOR

BUILDINGS WITH A 5 TO 10% LARGER TOTAL FLOOR AREA THAN WHAT

WOULD BE ALLOWED TODAY IN RM-24.

AND WE JUST 2022 NOTE THAT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OR THE NUMBER

OF UNITS REMAINS UNCHANGED SO THE ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA

WOULD ONLY PRODUCE LARGER UNITS.

IT WOULD NOT INCREASE OR PROVIDE MORE HOUSING UNITS.

NEXT SLIDE.

STAFF IS NOT EVALUATE BEING ALL THE ASSOCIATED OUTCOMES OF

THIS AMENDMENT.

THIS IS JUST ONE POTENTIAL SCENARIO AND WHERE NO OTHER

CONSTRAINTS EXIST WHICH MAY IMPACT THE DEVELOPABLE AREA. IN

CONSIDERATION OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THE RM-24 ZONING

ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 2 .7% OF THE CITY'S LAND AREA.

THEN ONTO ITEM 3, NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS VISITOR PARKING, ON-STREET FACING.

REQUIRES FOR SEMI-DETACHED, MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSE STYLE AND

MULTIFAMILY USES.

THE CODE REQUIRES .25 SPACES PER UNIT.

THE AMENDMENT REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE VISITOR

PARKING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI-DETACHED UNITS ONLY.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS EXEMPLIFIED WHAT THIS DISCREPANCY IS SO BOTH OF THESE

ARE TWO UNIT STRUCTURES.

THE UNIT ON THE LEFT, THEY ARE SIDE BY SIDE, VISITOR PARKING




IS REQUIRED ON-SITE WHICH IS FIVE SPACES.

THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT AGAIN IS TWO UNITS BUT THEY ARE

ORGANIZED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER RATHER THAN SIDE BY SIDE.

NO VISITOR PARKING IS REQUIRED.

SO WHEN YOU GO TO PUT THE VISITOR SPACE ON THE SITE, WHICH

UNIT?

THAT WAS MADE IN PRIOR PRESENTATIONS.

15:11:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
REPEAT THAT AGAIN, MR. BENSON?

15:11:48 >> YES, SIR.

VISITOR PARKING IS REQUIRED ON-SITE.

THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IT'S NOT REQUIRED ON THE RIGHT.

THAT'S THE DISTINCTION THAT THIS AMENDMENT IS TRYING TO

REMOVE IT FOR THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTION.

TO MAKE THEM CONSISTENT.

BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH DUPLEXES.

THEY BOTH HAVE TWO UNITS ON THE SAME STRUCTURE.

15:12:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.

15:12:09 >> NEXT SLIDE.

IN CONSIDERATION OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACT, THE RELEVANT

ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE THE SUBJECT RESIDENTIAL USE IS

ALLOWED OR PERMITTED, ACCOUNTS FOR APPROXIMATELY 6.7% OF THE

TOTAL LAND AREA IN THE CITY.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER FURTHER REVIEW AND

UPDATES TO SECTION 27-283 TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL CHANGES AND

PROVIDE GREATER CONSISTENCY IN THE AMOUNT OF PARKING




REQUIRED ON-SITE ACROSS SIMILAR USES SUCH AS THE SPECIFIC

SITUATION.

ONTO ITEM 4, NEXT SLIDE.

THE CURRENT CODE REQUIRES THAT THE MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSE

STYLE DESIGNS, THE FRONT ENTRY MUST FACE A STREET

RIGHT-OF-WAY RATHER THAN THE SIDE OR CORNER LOT LINES.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ALLOWS FRONT ENTRANCES FACING THE

COURTYARDS WITHOUT ALTERNATIVE DESIGN APPROVAL BY THE ZONING

ADMINISTRATOR.

AS FAR AS POTENTIAL IMPACT, THE RELEVANT ZONING WHERE THE

SUBJECT USE IS ALLOWABLE ACCOUNTS FOR APPROXIMATELY 6.7% OF

THE CITY'S TOTAL LAND AREA.

NEXT SLIDE.

THESE TWO IMAGES SHOW THE IMPACTS OF THE AMENDMENT, AND

UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE, ELIMINATING

THE REQUIREMENT FOR DOORS TO FACE THE STREET HAS THE

POTENTIAL TO REDUCE THE VISUAL ENGAGEMENT OF THE STREET

FACING FACADE, WHICH IS A COMMON URBAN DESIGN CONCERN THAT

IS TYPICALLY ADDRESSED THROUGH TRANSPARENCY SUCH AS WINDOWS,

OR THROUGH FENESTRATION.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE ARRANGEMENT OF WINDOWS, DOORS AND OTHER

OPENINGS IN A BUILDING.

MINIMUM TRANSPARENCY OR FENESTRATION REQUIREMENTS ARE A TOOL

USED IN SEVERAL EXISTING OVERLAY DISTRICT IN THE CITY TO

ENGAGE THE STREET, CREATE VISUAL INTEREST, AND ENHANCE THE




PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.

IN ADDITION TO THE BE BENEFITS, TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS

CAN ALSO PROVIDE FOR LIFE SAFETY BENEFITS SUCH AS

INFLUENCING LOWERING MOTORIST SPEEDS ON ADJACENT STREETS AND

THE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR WHAT WE CALL EYES ON THE

STREET WHICH IS A CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL

DESIGN, BEST PRACTICE.

SO THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE EXAMPLE THAT COULD OCCUR

WITH ZONING ADMINISTRATOR APPROVAL TODAY, THAT HAS THE

ENTRANCES FACING THE STREET, AND THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT

SHOWS ENTRANCE NOT FACING THE STREET BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S A

BIG DITCH BECAUSE OF THE ENTRANCES, BECAUSE.

WINDOWS AND ALL THE OTHER OPENINGS SO IT'S A BIGGER

CONVERSATION THAN JUST WHERE THE ENTRANCE OF THE UNIT IS

PLACED.

THE NEXT SLIDE.

STAFF ROAMS THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT MINIMUM

TRANSPARENCY OR FENESTRATION REQUIREMENT IN SECTION 27-282

FOR MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSE DESIGN STANDARDS.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS OUR CONCLUSION STATEMENT ABOUT THE COLLECTED IMPACT

OF ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS THAT WAS REQUESTED AT THE PRIOR

MEETING.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT MAY AFFECT HOUSING COSTS IN SO

SITUATIONS.




THE AMENDMENT DOES NOT GUARANTEE, HOWEVER THAT ALL NEW

HOUSING UNITS WILL BE LARGER AND THAT COSTS WILL INCREASE AS

A RESULT.

THE AMENDMENT ALSO ADDRESSES THE NEED FOR SIMILAR PROJECTS

TO REPEATEDLY SEEK WAIVERS IN THE FUTURE.

THIS WOULD REDUCE THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PERIOD AND COULD

THUS FACILITATE A TIMELIER RESPONSE FROM THE MARKET IN

PRODUCING MORE UNITS.

RESPECTING BOTH OF THESE TWO PERSPECTIVES THE AMENDMENT

AFFECTS A VERY LIMIT AMOUNT OF LAND CITY-WIDE, THUS STAFF

CONCLUDES THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF THE AMENDMENT WOULD

EITHER BE LIMITED OR DE MINIMIS.

THEN JUST TO BE REITERATE THE CODE SECTION THAT WE ARE

RECOMMENDING FOR REVIEW ARE 27-282 AND 27-283.

THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S EVALUATION ON THIS ITEM.

WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

15:15:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS FOR MR. BEN SON?

JUST ONE.

DID YOU RECEIVE AN E-MAIL FROM CITIZENS IN REFERENCE TO

THEIR CONCERNS, A MULTITUDE OF THEM, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT IN

DETAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE THIS COUNCIL IS MAKING THE

RIGHT DECISION WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT?

15:16:12 >>STEVEN BENSON:
YES, SIR.

WE PUT THE RELEVANT POINTS OUT AND INCORPORATED THE ONES




THAT REITERATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN INTO THE POINTS THAT YOU

SAW ON THE SCREEN.

SO THE DIAGRAM WITH THE PURPLE, ALL OF THAT WAS BASED UPON

THE INPUT THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE

APPLICANT.

15:16:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?

WE TAKE THE APPLICANT NOW.

15:16:34 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.

STEVE MICHELINI.

WE ARE THE PETITIONERS ON THIS PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT

REQUEST.

AND I JUST RECEIVED THIS 20 MINUTES AGO OR SO.

SO LET ME JUST GO THROUGH FIRST WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING AND

HOW IT IS EVALUATED.

THE REQUEST CAME OUT OF A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WE HAD

WITH STAFF.

THIS WAS A BUILDER ASSOCIATION SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT

STARTED FOUR YEARS AGO, AND THERE WERE A WHOLE LIST.

THERE WERE OVER 90 ITEMS THAT CAME UP AS PART OF THAT

DISCUSSION REGARDING PERMITTING AND PROCESSING THAT WERE TO

BE ADDRESSED.

OVER TIME, THOSE WERE WHITTLED DOWN CONTINUALLY TO THE POINT

WE ARE NOW LEFT WITH FOUR REQUESTS, AND THEY ARE NOT

NECESSARILY IN ANY ORDER TO ESTABLISH 35 FEET AS A STANDARD

FOR THE HEIGHT.




AND THESE ARE TYPICALLY SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS.

THESE ARE NOT HUGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE TOWERS.

THEY CAME OUT BECAUSE YOU HAD TOWNHOUSE PROJECTS THAT WERE

IN THE RM-24 ZONING CLASSIFICATION, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE

TO STAIR STEP UP IN ORDER TO GET TO 35 FEET, BUT IF YOU HAD

A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE YOU COULD OBTAIN BY RIGHT.

AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT, WHAT'S HAPPENED IS FREQUENTLY WE

ARE COMING INTO CITY COUNCIL AND NOT ASKING FOR RM-24, WE

ARE ASKING FOR RM-18, WHICH HAS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, SMALLER

SETBACKS, AND YOU CAN BUILD TO 35 FEET BY RIGHT.

SO I AM NOT SURE ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THIS IS

GOING TO HAVE SOME NEGATIVE IMPACT.

ACTUALLY, IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE COST -- I KNOW THERE WERE

SOME COMMENTS ABOUT SOMEHOW AFFECTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I HAVE EXAMINED THIS THOROUGHLY.

WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS TRY TO

FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS AFFORDABLE

HOUSING AND NO ONE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THAT HAPPENED.

AS A RESULT, IT WAS FULLY VETTED BY CITY STAFF NOT ONCE, NOT

TWICE.

THIS IS THE TENTH HEARING THAT WE HAVE HAD INCLUDING THE

NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT WE HAD SEPARATELY THAT WE WERE

ASKED TO CONDUCT.

THE AREAS THAT ARE AFFECTED FOR THE RM-24 WOULD BE THE SAME

AS IF YOU HAD A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.




YOU WOULD NEVER SUGGEST THAT IF YOU BUILT A HOUSE AT 30 FEET

THAT YOU WOULD THEN BE REQUIRED TO ADD ANOTHER 5 FEET OF

SETBACKS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING.

I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THAT ONE.

THE INTENSITY OF THE DESIGN STANDARD THAT MR. BENSON IS

TALKING ABOUT, IF THEY BELONG IN A CODE, YOU ARE INSERTING

DESIGN STANDARDS.

NO ONE THAT I KNOW WOULD EVER BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT,

WITH NO WINDOWS.

THERE ARE OTHER BUILDING CODES THAT KICK IN.

YOU HAVE LIFE SAFETY CODES.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE MEANS OF EGRESS, DO YOU NOT SEE IT?

15:20:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE SEE IT NOW, YES, SIR.

15:20:05 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
BUT THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT NOT HAVING

FENESTRATION, NOT HAVING WIND OWES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER BUILDING CODES THAT AFFECT THAT.

AND WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT?

YOU ARE PREVENTING LIGHT, AIR FROM GETTING INTO THE

BUILDING.

I WANT TO AGAIN BRING THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT WE HAD

THIS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS VETTED BY STAFF

AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND FORWARDED TO THE

RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

AGAIN, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED THIS.




THEY HAVE COME BEFORE YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES IN WORKSHOPS AS

WELL AS PUBLIC HEARINGS, RECOMMENDING THE ADOPTION OF THESE

REQUESTS.

LET ME GO THROUGH THE EXACT REQUESTS AND TRY TO EXPLAIN

WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THIS WAS THE LAST TRANSMITTAL THAT YOU HAD, UNTIL WE GOT THE

NEW ONE TODAY.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE WERE MOST RECENTLY PRESENTED TO YOU

NINE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS COMING TO YOU.

THAT'S NOW DOWN TO FOUR.

THIS IS THE FOOTNOTE ISSUE REGARDING GOING FROM 35 FEET.

NOW YOU CAN MOVE THAT UP.

GOING FROM 35 -- OR 30 FEET TO 35 FEET BEFORE YOU START

STAIR STEPPING.

THAT IS A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT.

THE PARKING SPACES REGARDING THE TOWNHOUSES, REMOVING ONE

PARKING SPACE AND NOT HAVING A VISITOR SPACE FOR TWO UNITS.

IT ONLY APPLIED TO A TWO-UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, THE STAFF HAS EXPLAINED TO YOU, AND I THINK THAT WE

HAVE EXPLAINED TO YOU THAT WITH TWO UNITS IT'S HARD TO

FIGURE OUT WHO CONTROLS, WHO OWNS THAT THIRD PARKING SPACE.

IF IT'S A FEE SIMPLE ISSUE, THEN WHICH ONE OF THE

APARTMENTS, WHICH ONE OF THE SIDES DO YOU ASSIGN THAT TO?

IT REDUCES GREEN SPACE.

SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO ASK FOR GREEN SPACE WAIVERS




FOR VISITOR PARKING SPACE.

THAT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE ALREADY REQUIRED PARKING SPACES

FOR THE GARAGE AND THE DRIVEWAY.

THIS IS THE COURTYARD ISSUE.

AND I SHOWED YOU A DIAGRAM.

IF WE WANT TO START INSERTING DESIGN STANDARDS CITY-WIDE

THEN ALL OF THE CODES HAVE TO BE REVIEWED FOR THAT, NOT JUST

THIS ONE.

BUT ANYWAY, WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU BE

ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

THERE ARE OTHER BUILDING CODES THAT MATCH FENESTRATION.

AND HERE IS A LISTING OF ALL THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT WE

HAVE HAD.

THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAM OF THAT WE TALKED TO FOR OVER

TWO HOURS, JUNE 14th.

WE ALSO HAD OTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.

THIS IS THE TENTH HEARING THAT WE HAVE HAD REGARDING THIS

ISSUE.

AGAIN, THEY HAVE BEEN REFINED.

AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REASONABLE

CONSIDERING THE CODE.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN

EXCEPTION?

AND WE SUBMITTED PROBABLY OVER 100 OF THEM.

THEY ARE APPROVED.




NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN DISAPPROVED.

IT ADDS COSTS.

IT ADDS ANOTHER 60, 75 DAYS TO THE PROCESS, AND YOU ALL HAVE

BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE CRITICAL NEED FOR HOUSING.

IT DELAYS THAT PROCESS, AND IT SENDS YOU INTO ANOTHER

PROCESS BEFORE YOU CAN GET YOUR PERMIT.

SO WE ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THAT.

IF IT WERE CONTENTIOUS.

THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WERE NOT BEING GRANTED, IT WOULDN'T BE

AN ISSUE AND WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT

IT AND WE GO THROUGH THE PRO OTHER SEES, WITH A REZONING OR

WITH A DESIGN EXCEPTION.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ELIMINATING THE CALCULATION, THIS IS

THE CALCULATION THAT'S OUTLINED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN D.

WE ASKED THREE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS INCLUDING ERIC COTTON,

GLORIA MOREDA WHEN SHE WAS HERE, MYSELF, AND OTHER BUILDERS,

WE COULDN'T EVER COME UP WITH THE SAME DIMENSION THAT THE

BUILDINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEPARATED BY.

NOW, THIS IS A MECHANISM SETBACK AT 15 FEET.

AND IF YOU GO HIGHER, ACCORDING TO THE LIFE SAFETY CODE, YOU

HAVE TO INCREASE THAT HEIGHT.

THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BUILDING.

SO THIS DOESN'T RELIEVE ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS FROM MEETING

OTHER CODES.

IT SIMPLY ESTABLISHES A STANDARD, AND IT SAYS, OKAY, YOU ARE




GOING TO HAVE A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 15 FEET AND YOU HAVES TO

BE SAY, HOW DO WE GET TO 15 FEET?

IT PROVIDED FOR A 5-FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK AND 5 FEET OF

LANDSCAPING OR GREEN SPACE ON EACH SIDE.

THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE 15 FEET.

AND THAT WAS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FROM GLORIA MOREDA.

WE DIDN'T JUST DREAM THIS UP.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF HOW IT DELAYS THE

PROCESS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COURTYARD SCENARIO, AND I AM JUST GOING

TO THROW THIS OUT, NOT THAT YOU COULD BUY A LOT FOR

$100,000, BUT IF YOU BOUGHT A LOT FOR $100,000 AND YOU HAD

FOUR UNITS, THAT'S $25,000 FOR EACH OF THE LAND PARCELS.

IF YOU HAVE $100,000 AND YOU CAN ONLY BUILD TWO, THAT'S

$50,000 PER UNIT.

LAND COST.

SO WITH RESPECT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT ACTUALLY MAKES --

IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE IF YOU ALLOW INTERIOR COURTYARDS TO

EXIST AS OPPOSED TO IN THE LINEAR PICTURE THAT I SHOWED YOU

THAT STAFF HAD.

IF YOU ONLY HAD THESE TWO BUILDINGS, YOU WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED

TO BUILD ANY OF THE SIDE UNITS GOING DOWN TO THE COURTYARD.

SO THAT'S THE RELIEF THAT'S BEING SOUGHT.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

AND AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED THROUGH THE




ENTIRE PROCESS.

THERE WEREN'T ANY SECRETS IN HERE.

THIS WAS NOT DESIGNED TO SOMEHOW SUBVERT THE CODE.

THESE ARE TYPICAL ISSUES THAT GO BEFORE THE CITY PLANNING

OFFICE AND THE CITY ZONING OFFICE.

THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF EITHER FOR REZONING OR THROUGH A

DESIGN EXCEPTION.

AND THIS HELPS TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS AND OFFERS YOU

ELIMINATION OF A 60 TO 75-DAY DELAY, PLUS THE FILING AND

DESIGN FEES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

15:27:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

15:27:51 >>THE CLERK:
YES, I HAVE MS. STROHMEYER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

15:27:57 >> JEAN STROHMEYER:
OKAY.

YOU CAN HEAR ME?

15:28:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN HEAR YOU, JEAN.

15:28:06 >> OKAY.

SO I WAS LISTENING TO MR. MICHELINI HERE AND HAVE DIFFERENT

POINTS TO MAKE.

JUST BECAUSE STAFF REFERS TO SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN AT THIS

TIME RIGHT THING.




A GIANT APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THAT WASN'T A BIG THING TO DO.

IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT.

BUT AGAIN, THEY DON'T NOTICE WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW SOMETIMES.

SO I HAVE QUITE A FEW LETTERS WRITTEN INTO THE FILE SO I AM

NOT GOING TO INTO THAT.

I KNOW -- SENT SOME STUFF, AND MR. MICHELINI SAYS 9 TO 4,

THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT STILL THE BEST THING TO BE DO FOR OUR

NEIGHBORHOOD.

OH, AND HE SHOWED A PICTURE, THEY SHOWED A PICTURE OF ALL

THAT BUT I KNOW IN THE LAST MEETING, MS. POYNOR SHOWED A

PICTURE THAT SHOWED US THE TOP OF THE BEFORE, AND STARTED

GOING HALFWAY UP THE OTHER BUILDING NEXT TO IT.

SO THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GOOD SOLID ARGUMENT.

LET'S SEE, WE HAVE -- OH, TALKING ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS

THAT WE SHOULD HAVE CITY-WIDE, BUT ALL OF HYDE PARK ISN'T

NEW TAMPA, AND WE CAN'T HAVE THE SAME DESIGN IN OLD HYDE

PARK AS WE DO IN SOUTH TAMPA OR WHATEVER, SO THAT'S NOT

GOOD.

AGAIN I SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, IT'S THE FOX

MINDING THE HEN HOUSE.

I WOULDN'T WANT THE FOX ANYWHERE NEAR.

SO LASTLY, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD PROBABLY WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE

SOMEBODY TO TAKE THE POSITION OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

MR. DINGFELDER WAS TOLD TO SHUT UP.

AND HE WAS TOLD ON THE RECORD, IF YOU ALL WILL RECALL IN




CITY COUNCIL BY ONE OF THESE DEVELOPERS GUYS, THEY TOLD HIM

TO ACTUALLY SHUT UP, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER THE HOTLINE MOMENT,

AND WE DIDN'T APPRECIATE THAT.

SO GUIDING THE HEN HOUSE, AND WE HAVE GOT SOMEBODY WHO WAS

PART OF THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK THIS NEITHER NEEDS

TO MAYBE START OVER AGAIN.

AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

ALL RIGHT, HAVE A GREAT DAY.

15:30:34 >>THE CLERK:
THE OTHER SPEAKER WE HAVE WAS STEPHANIE

POYNOR.

AGAIN SHE IS NOT LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME.

15:30:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

15:30:47 >> I REPRESENT THE TAMPA BAY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.

WE ARE 1100 MEMBERS STRONG, AND WE REPRESENT ALL SEGMENTS OF

THE INDUSTRY THAT PROVIDE THE AMERICAN DREAM OF HOME

OWNERSHIP.

FRANKLY, I WAS PLANNING ON COMING HERE AND SUPPORTING THIS

ITEM, AND I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WOULD BE FANTASTIC AND WE

WOULD HAVE A NICE EASY TIME.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE.

SO I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND LET YOU KNOW AS THE ONLY PAID

PERSON WORKING ON BEHALF OF THIS ORGANIZATION AND ITS

MEMBERS, THESE TWO GUYS SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME, BLOOD

SWEAT AND TEARS, DOING THE WORK OF A VOLUNTEER MEMBER TO




HELP ENGAGE THE BUILDING COMMUNITY AND HELP BRING FORWARD

SOME THINGS THAT WERE WOULD STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE STAFF FOR

MANY YEARS.

EVERY SINGLE MONTH, TBBA MEETS WITH THE CITY STAFF TO

DISCUSS POLICY AND PROCESSION ISSUES RELATED TO THE BUILDING

CODE.

THIS IS ALL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND, AND FRANKLY I RESPECT THE CONCERNS OF

THE COMMUNITY, IT'S REAL SIMPLE, GUYS.

THERE'S ONLY FOUR COMPONENTS TO BUILDING A HOUSE.

MATERIALS, LABOR, LAND, AND LOCAL REGULATIONS.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONTROL ANY OF THOSE EXCEPT

LOCAL REGULATIONS.

I HAVE GOT TRUST PACKAGES THAT HAVE INCREASED $30,000 A WEEK

EVERY SINGLE WEEK FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ADDRESSING LAND COSTS.

AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO MOVE TO TAMPA BAY, BUILD A HOUSE,

HAVE A POOL PUT IN.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO ALL WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS COME FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH AND

PRESENT THINGS THAT THE STAFF AGREES WITH AND THAT MOST

REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN AGREE WITH SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH

THIS PROCESS AS QUICKLY AND PAINLESSLY AS POSSIBLE.




BUT I WILL NEVER HAVE THESE GUYS COME BEFORE US AGAIN IF

THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO BUSINESS BECAUSE THIS HAS

BEEN WORKED ON FOR FOUR YEARS.

THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OFF MY BOARD FOR FOUR YEARS.

LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING.

I BEG OF YOU.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN SCRAP THE WHOLE THING, BUT WE ARE

NOT GOING TO DO THIS AGAIN.

I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, GENTLEMEN, VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

15:33:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS?

15:33:18 >> FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE

TIME YOU GUYS PUT IN, AND IT'S CHALLENGING.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

PROBABLY SAID FOUR YEARS AGO, GLORIA MOREDA AND TEN YEARS

AGO SITTING ON THE ECC COMMITTEE, THE ECONOMIC COMPETITIVE

COMMITTEE LIKE THE PREVIOUS MAYOR HAD PUT ON, I WAS ON THAT

BOARD, AND THE IDEA WAS TO COME UP WITH IDEAS THAT WOULD

MAKE THIS CITY MORE COMPETITIVE WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT

OTHER CITIES, LET'S STREAMLINE.

I HAVE SEEN LIKE PICTURES OF A ALL THE RULES, REGULATIONS OF

THE CITY OF TAMPA, A STACK THIS MUCH IS CHAPTER 27 IN THE

CODE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.

THE ZONING CODES ARE VERY, VERY COMPLEX AND IF THAT ISN'T

PERFECT THEN WE ARE GONE.




SO THE IDEA HOW DO WE TWEAK SOME THINGS TO MAKE STAFF MORE

EFFICIENT, GET PERMITS MORE EFFICIENT WITHOUT AFFECTING

NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT WAS THE IDEA.

GLAD YOU SAID THE WORD NAIVE BECAUSE I THOUGHT NAIVE WAS A

SIMPLE THING, LIKE THE TREE FUND, PCC FOLKS, SEE SOMETHING,

TREE SOMETHING, DOZENS AND DOZENS TRYING TO GET THE TREE

CODE REDONE.

THAT WAS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE THE CITY OF TAMPA BETTER, AND THESE ARE

NOT DONE TO SLIP SOMETHING IN, OR SOME JOB SPECIFIC THING,

THAT WOULD MAKE THE CITY MORE EFFICIENT AND STAFF MORE

EFFICIENT, AND RESPECTFULLY HOPE YOU APPROVE TODAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

15:35:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

MR. MANISCALCO MOVED TO CLOSE, MR. VIERA SECOND.

MR. CITRO?

15:35:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FILE NUMBER E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE

BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN

ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO A

PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT, MAKING REVISIONS TO THE

CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND

DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-156, OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF

DISTRICT REGULATIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-126, YARDS BETWEEN

RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, AMENDING SECTION 27-282.10,

MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSE-STYLE DESIGN STANDARDS, AMENDING




SECTION 27-283.7, NUMBER OF OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES,

PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF

ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR

SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

15:36:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

ROLL CALL.

15:36:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
I PREVIOUSLY STATED MY REASONS FOR VOTING

NO AND WILL VOTE NO AGAIN.

15:36:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

15:36:43 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

15:36:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

15:36:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

15:36:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES?

15:36:48 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.

15:36:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NUMBER 64.

15:36:54 >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

ITEM NUMBER 64 IS REZ 21-104 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND

READING AND ADOPTION, FOR 6907 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE.

THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS

RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO SEMINOLE HEIGHTS

PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY USES.

SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY HALL YESTERDAY.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

15:37:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. BARNES?

ALL RIGHT.




THE APPLICANT?

15:37:33 >> MY NAME IS YONI WASSER, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE AND I REPRESENT

THE APPLICANTS ON THIS ITEM.

OUT OF RESPECT FOR COUNCIL'S BUSINESS DAY I WILL KEEP THIS

VERY BRIEF.

THIS REZONING RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL BACK ON FEBRUARY

24.

SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED ALL REQUESTED

MODIFICATIONS.

I THOUGHT I NEEDED TO THAN SWORN IN.

GO AHEAD.

15:37:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

ANYONE THAT'S GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, SWEAR THEM?

ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE, SIR?

15:38:07 >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

15:38:13 >> I DO.

AS I WAS SAYING, WE SEEK UNANIMOUS APPROVAL ON FEBRUARY

24th.

SINCE THEN WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED ALL REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS

INCLUDING CLEANING UP OUR SITE PLAN AS WELL AS ADDING A

VARIETY OF TRANSPORTATION NOTES.

WE ARE HERE TO RECEIVE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AGAIN TODAY.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.




THANK YOU.

15:38:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE GENTLEMAN?

ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

ANYONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?

15:38:40 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.

15:38:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED IT.

MR. CITRO SECOND IT.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

MR. VIERA.

64, SIR.

15:38:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.

I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AN

ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 6907 NORTH

NEBRASKA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

CLASSIFICATION SH-RS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RESIDENTIAL

SINGLE-FAMILY TO SH-CI SEMINOLE HEIGHTS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE

TO SH-PD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL

MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

15:39:17 >> SECOND.

15:39:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ROLL CALL.




15:39:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

15:39:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

15:39:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

15:39:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

15:39:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:


15:39:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

15:39:32 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA BEING

ABSENT AT VOTE.

15:39:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 65.

OH, BONUS PROVISION.

CITRO, MANISCALCO.

MOTION GRANTED.

ITEM 65.

15:39:52 >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

ITEM NUMBER 65 IS AB 2-21-31 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND

READING AND ADOPTION, 401 SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE TO ALLOW THE

SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR SMALL VENUE BEER, WINE,

CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY, SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT

CITY HALL YESTERDAY, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF

NEEDED.

15:40:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. BARNES?

SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT?

15:40:23 >> JIM PORTER WITH ACKERMAN, I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN.

15:40:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).




15:40:31 >> JIM PORTER:
I DO.

WE ARE HERE FOR SECOND READING.

WE AMENDED THE SITE PLAN TO PROHIBIT OUTDOOR MUSIC.

WE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR APPROVAL.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

15:40:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?

15:40:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I MISSED -- THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR

STAFF.

IS IT OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR SOUND?

15:40:57 >> MUSIC.

15:40:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MUSIC.

15:40:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

15:41:06 >> I THOUGHT COUNCIL'S INTENT WAS -- WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO

THE NOISE SOUND.

MS. BARNES MAY SPEAK TO THAT.

BUT WE WERE -- A CITIZEN REQUESTED THAT AT THE FIRST READING

AND WE COMPLIED WITH THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD COUNCIL'S INTENT TO BE.

15:41:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS MS. BARNES ON LINE?

IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED A CLARIFICATION

FOR CONSISTENCY.

THE SITE PLAN WAS DELIVERED FOR SOUND, I GUESS.

I JUST WANTED --

15:41:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MRS. BARNES?

THERE SHE IS.




15:41:54 >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

I AM PULLING UP THE SITE PLAN NOW.

THE SITE PLAN SAYS NO OUTDOOR MUSIC SHALL BE ALLOWED

ON-SITE.

15:42:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ?

SINCE WE ARE SPEAKING OF HYPOTHETICALS TODAY, I HAVE BEEN TO

MANY A BINGO HALL WHERE IT GETS LOUD BECAUSE OF AMPLIFIED

CALLING OF NUMBERS.

I HAVE BEEN TO AUCTION HOUSES WHERE IT GETS AWFUL LOUD.

NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN A BAR-RESTAURANT.

BUT IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND

PLIFIED SOUND?

15:42:59 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION, BUT I THINK

CERTAINLY MUSIC IS ENCOMPASSED WITHIN SOUND, BUT THERE COULD

BE OTHER SOUNDS --

15:43:13 >> JIM PORTER:
I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE WORD SOUND.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.

15:43:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HOW DID THAT BE DONE BEFORE SECOND

READING?

IS THAT POSSIBLE?

IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

I DON'T HAVE A POSITION.

15:43:34 >> I THINK I UNDERSTOOD COUNCIL'S INTENT AT THE LAST

MEETING.




WE CHOSE THE WORD MUSIC BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU

WANTED.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR,

CHANGE THE SITE PLAN TO SOUND.

I JUST DON'T WANT FOR THE SAKE OF A CLIENT TO BE DELAYED

BECAUSE OF A WORD, THAT WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO.

15:43:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THIS MAY BE SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK

ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.

ESPECIALLY UNDER THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

15:44:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ANYTHING OVER A CERTAIN DECIBEL.

15:44:11 >> AND THIS IS A SMALL VENUE TEN TEETH SEAT RESTAURANT.

I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN CITROO CONCERN.

THE SPACE ISN'T THERE TO DO BINGO AND IT'S NOT THAT TYPE OF

EVENT.

SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

I THINK THE RISK TO ANY SORT OF VIOLATION IS VERY SMALL.

BUT WHATEVER COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS.

15:44:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT CAN BE USED FOR MOST JUST SINGING.

15:44:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I GUESS MOVING FORWARD, WE MIGHT WANT

TO --

[ LAUGHTER ]

OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. PORTER, FOR THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. PORTER?

ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

15:44:55 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.




15:44:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO ONE ELSE IN THE HOUSE.

OKAY.

MOVE TO CLOSE MANISCALCO, SECOND MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

MR. MIRANDA?

15:45:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL TAKE IT.

ITEM NUMBER 65, FILE AB 2-21-31.

ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,

AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOL

BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY

AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT

CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 401 SOUTH

HOWARD AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED

IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF

ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE

DATE.

15:45:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

ROLL CALL.

15:45:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

15:45:52 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

15:45:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

15:45:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

15:45:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.




15:45:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I CHANGED MINE TO YES BECAUSE OF THE SITE

PLAN.

YES.

15:46:02 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

15:46:04 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

FROM NOW ON, SOUND ONLY, NO MUSIC.

15:46:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 66.

15:46:10 >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

AB 2-22-01.

BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FOR 2301

NORTH ALBANY AVENUE FOR SPECIAL USE 2, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE

SALES, LARGE VENUE, BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES,

SALE OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.

SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF TO CITY HALL.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

15:46:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MRS. BARNES?

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE AN ADVOCATE, SWORN IN, PLEASE?

15:46:45 >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

15:46:48 >> YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS KI-MAI REPRESENTING PETITIONER, THE SPECIAL USE

REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR LIVE

VENUE, BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES IN PACKAGE




SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.

THE PROJECT LOCATION IS IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT.

AB SALES IS 5,922 SQUARE FEET INDOORS, AND THE PROJECT SITE

IS FOR A WINE TASTING BAR, OFFICES, WINE PRODUCTION AND

PACKAGING, WINE AGING STORAGE WITH WHOLESALE AND FAMILY

OWNED AND OPERATED BY WINE STREAM INCORPORATED.

WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND ADOPTION OF THE

SPECIAL USE.

THANK YOU.

15:47:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

ALL RIGHT.

ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM?

15:47:48 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.

15:47:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

MOVE TO CLOSE?

MR. MANISCALCO, SECOND BY MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

MR. CARLSON.

15:48:03 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE AB 2-22-01,

ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,

AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR

ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES

AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL




THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT

OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 2301 NORTH ALBANY AVENUE TAMPA,

FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2

PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN

CONFLICT ARE REPEALED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

15:48:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.

15:48:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ROLL CALL.

15:48:38 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

15:48:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.

15:48:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

15:48:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

15:48:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

15:48:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.

15:48:48 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND GUDES VOTING NO.

15:48:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 67.

15:48:53 >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

ITEM NUMBER 67 IS AB 2-22-02 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND

READING AND ADOPTION, FOR 601 SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD

FOR SPECIAL USE 2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, LARGE VENUE

BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.

SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY

QUESTIONS.

15:49:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. BARNES?

ALL RIGHT.




AN APPLICANT?

ALL RIGHT.

RAISE YOUR HAND, BE SWORN IN, SIR.

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)

15:49:35 >> KEVIN REALI, FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE APPLICANT, AND JUST

HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL OF THE REQUESTED SITE PLAN CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND

SECOND READING HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND WE RESPECTFULLY

REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU.

15:49:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?

ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

15:50:04 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.

15:50:05 >>THE CLERK:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

MOTION GRANTED.

15:50:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AB 2-22-02, I HAVE AN ORDINANCE

PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE

APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE

SALES LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING

LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC

CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR

TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 601 SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD,

TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2

PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN




CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

15:50:43 >> SECOND.

15:50:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL VOTE.

15:50:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.

15:50:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

15:50:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

15:50:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

15:50:53 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

15:50:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.

15:50:55 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND GUDES VOTING NO.

15:50:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 68?

15:51:03 >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

ITEM NUMBER 68 IS MUCH AB 2-20-11 PLACED ON THE AGENDA

PURSUANT TO COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE DUE TO A 3-3 TIE VOTE

ON FEBRUARY 24, 2022.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SPECIAL USE 2 FOR ALCOHOLIC

BEVERAGE SALES FOR SMALL VENUE BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR,

CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES, 703

NORTH WILLOW AVENUE.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

15:51:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY?

15:51:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON NUMBER 68?

ARE THEY AVAILABLE?




YOU ARE SEE NO ONE THERE.

IF THE APPLICANT WITH WERE HERE, THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC

HEARING, AND CONTINUED TO A DATE AND TIME CERTAIN.

CERTAINLY IF THERE'S ANOTHER 3-3 TIE THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO

BE CONTINUED.

IT APPEARS THAT'S THE SITUATION.

WITHOUT THE APPLICANT, THE QUESTION IS, HOW IS HE ABLE TO BE

AWARE OF WHEN THIS IS BEING CONTINUED TO?

15:52:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SUSAN JOHNSON ALVAREZ?

15:52:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK IN TERMS OF NOTICE, IT IS A

NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S BEEN CONTINUED.

15:52:37 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

WHEN THIS WAS CONTINUED, AT YOUR FIRST READING, THE DATE AND

TIME WAS ANNOUNCED FOR TODAY.

CORRECT.

SO I AM NOT SURE WHY THE APPLICANT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR CITY

COUNCIL HEARING.

15:52:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR STAFF TO

REACH OUT?

OTHERWISE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RENOTICED, AND THAT WOULD

SLOW THINGS DOWN.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD KNOW WHEN

IT'S BEING CONTINUED TO.

IF THE APPLICANT WERE HERE --

15:53:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, MS. BARNES IS TRYING TO GET IN




TOUCH.

15:53:18 >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

SO THE APPLICANT AND AGENT, WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED FEBRUARY

24th, 2022 HEARING, THAT IT WAS A TYPO AND WOULD BE

CONTINUED TO THIS DATE AT HEARING.

SO THEY KNEW THAT THIS MEETING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

15:53:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO IT RAISES A QUESTION IF THIS GETS

CONTINUED NOW, AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, HOW WOULD WE

BE ABLE TO ASSURE THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF WHAT COUNCIL'S

ACTION IS TODAY?

15:53:53 >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES CONTINUING

OR IS THAT THE ONLY OPTION?

15:54:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNLESS SOMEBODY CHANGES THEIR VOTE.

15:54:03 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
IF SOMEBODY CHANGES THEIR VOTE AND

YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT RESULT.

15:54:10 >>BILL CARLSON:
IS THERE LIKE A FOR FIT OR SOMETHING?

15:54:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDER THE CODE, I HAVEN'T CHECKED

RECENTLY, BUT I GUESS THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

15:54:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN WE JUST CONTINUE THE ITEM?

15:54:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COULD WE REQUEST THE STAFF NOTIFY THE

APPLICANT OF THE NEW DATE?

HERE IS A QUESTION, COUNCIL.

THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS APRIL 7th, BUT THAT WOULD BE

THE LITERAL FIRST DAY OF THE TENTATIVE TIMELINE OF THE

7th COUNCIL MEMBERS.




THE NEXT DATE AFTER THAT IS FEBRUARY 21st.

15:54:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO APRIL

21st.

WE'LL DO IT AT 10:30 A.M. AS IT'S ALREADY SET, AND THAT WE

NOTIFY THE APPLICANT SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS.

15:54:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

15:55:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO MOVED IT MR. VIERA SECOND

IT.

ALL IN FAVOR?

MOTION GRANTED.

15:55:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.

15:55:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
69.

15:55:15 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

RON WIGGINTON LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

ITEM NUMBER 69 IS AN APPLICATION TO VACATE AN ALLEYWAY BY

MAKO CAR WASH LOCATE IT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4438

KENNEDY BOULEVARD, AND THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WIDE LATITUDE IS AFFORDED TO CITY

COUNCIL IN MAKING THE DECISION TO APPROVE OR DENIAL THE

APPLICATION, AND THE FACTORS TO CONSIDER WHEN DETERMINING

WHETHER IT'S IN THE PUBLIC'S BEST INTEREST TO VACATE INCLUDE

WHETHER IT WILL RELIEVE THE PUBLIC FROM THE COST OF

MAINTAINING THE ALLEYWAY, WHETHER IT WILL ALLEVIATE A PUBLIC

NUISANCE SUCH AS ILLEGAL DUMPING, WHETHER IT OCCUR TAILS

CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, WHETHER IT WILL FOSTER OR HINDER




REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ABUTTED PROPERTIES, AND WHETHER IT WILL

CUT OFF OR SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISH ACCESS TO THE PROPERTIES.

MR. ROSS SALMON IS AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY TO PROVIDE HIS

REPORT.

AND I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.

THANK YOU.

15:56:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

ROSS?

SHE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)

15:56:23 >> I WOULD ASK THE CLERK TO SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.

CAN COUNCIL SEE MY SCREEN?

15:56:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

WE GOT IT NOW.

15:56:55 >>ROSS SAMMONS:
OKAY.

DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION PRESENTING FILE VAC-21-18.

THE PROPOSED REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEYWAY SOUTH OF JOHN F.

KENNEDY BOULEVARD, EAST OF HESPERIDES AVENUE, THIS ALLEY WAS

CREATED FOR SUBDIVISION PLAT, SUBDIVISION.

LOCATED IN SOUTH TAMPA, AND THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY DISTRICT.

THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED 9-20-21.

THE APPLICANT OWNS THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE

ALLEY THAT IS REQUESTED TO BE VACATED.

THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS AS FOLLOWS.

THE ALLEY RUNS BEHIND THE BUILDINGS, DEAD-ENDS AT THE EAST




END, IS UNUSABLE AS AN ALLEY TO ACCESS THIS BLOCK.

THIS ALLEY IS IN THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND NO

EXISTING CODE VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.

THE TOTAL SQUARE FEET APPROXIMATELY OF THE ALLEY REQUESTED

TO BE VACATED IS 4,080 SQUARE FEET, PARTIALLY INCLUDED,

ASPHALT PAVING AT THE EAST END, AND APPEARS TO BE USED BY

THE OWNER OF 4430 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, WITH ACCESS TO THE

ALLEY.

A DOOR OPENS ONTO THE ALLEY.

THE ALLEY IS OPENED AT THE WEST END.

WASTEWATER, TECO, FRONTIER FACILITIES LOCATED IN THE ALLEY.

ALLEY CONTINUES TO THE EAST ONLY IN THE SUBJECT ALLEY.

THE ALLEY'S CONTINUATION IS IMPROVED.

AGAIN IN YELLOW IS THE PROPOSED VACANT REQUEST OF THE ALLEY

IN YELLOW AND PROPERTY OWNER THE IN RED.

AND IT DOES CONTINUE HERE TO THE EAST.

AGAIN THE ALLEY PROPOSED TO BEING VACATED.

AGAIN, SHOWING -- THE ALLEY HERE PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.

THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING WEST.

AND THE DOORWAY, 4430, OPENS ONTO THE ALLEY.

ALLEY LOOKING EAST FROM HESPERIDES AVENUE.

ACCESS TO THE ALLEY AT 4438 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

THE OCCUPANT'S PARCEL LOOKING SOUTH ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER SOUTH KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

ABUTTING PARCELS LOOKING WEST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ALLEY




ARE CONSIDERED HART TRACKS.

AND HERE IS A CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEY LOOKING EAST, AND

THIS IS NOT TO BE VACATED.

STAFF OBJECTS TO THE VACATING REQUEST BASED ON RESPONSES

RECEIVED FROM TRANSPORTATION, PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN.

THIS VACANT REQUEST IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL, EASEMENT

RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR WASTEWATER, TECO, FRONTIER.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

16:00:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF ROSS?

ALL RIGHT.

THE APPLICANT NOW.

16:00:26 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.

16:00:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.

CAN YOU SEE THE PowerPoint, SIR?

16:00:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NOT YET.

WE GOT IT.

WE GOT IT.

16:00:53 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
YOU HAVE IT, SIR?

16:00:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.

16:00:57 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
VACATE 21-18, WHICH HAS BEEN WELL

PRESENTED BY THE STAFF.

THIS IS THE ALLEY LINKED TO NOWHERE, IT'S UNIMPROVED, MOST

LIT UNIMPROVED.

THERE'S IN A HISTORY OF TRAVEL BY ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC.

IT'S IN PRETTY BAD CONDITION.




IT'S UNSAFE.

IT CREATES TRASH AND SAFETY ISSUES.

WE ARE GENERALLY LOCATED AT KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

THIS WOULD BE FOR THE ALLEY THERE.

THIS IS HESPERIDES, AND THIS IS LAUBER.

THE ALLEYWAY IS BLOCKED BY BUILDINGS.

AT THIS POINT, THIS IS THE UNIMPROVED ALLEY, AND BLOCKED AT

THIS POINT.

AGAIN THIS IS REALLY AN ALLEYWAY TO NOWHERE.

WE TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OVER HERE ABOUT EVENTUALLY

MOVING FORWARD WITH A VACATING.

SO THIS ALLEYWAY IS UNIMPROVED AS WELL.

WE ARE DOWN ONE BLOCK AT THIS POINT, A BLOCK AT THIS POINT.

IT'S NOT FOR VEHICLE PASSAGE.

IT'S ONLY PARTIALLY IMPROVED.

AND THE SAME IN 2016, 2009, 2004.

THIS IS THE CLOSE AT THE WEST END, THE CLOSE IF HE EAST END.

THE ALLEY NEXT DOOR IS USED FOR PARKING AND FOR PURPOSES OF

THE BUSINESS AS IT IS HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITION OF THE

ALLEY NEXT DOOR IS.

WE TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER NEXT DOOR ABOUT THE

ALLEYWAY, AND THESE ARE UNIMPROVED AREAS OF THE ALLEYWAY

THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.

NOW, ONE CRITICAL FACTOR OF PRIME PREVENTION THROUGH

ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, I IT HAS FOUR MAJOR FUNCTIONS, KEEP




THINGS SAFE, BECAUSE THE ALLEYWAYS ARE DARK, THEY ARE NOT

TRAVELED, THE RETAIL STORES NEXT DOOR, IT IS DARK IN THE

BACK AND PEOPLE CAN CONGREGATE THAT, AND TRASH HAS ALSO BEEN

A PROBLEM.

TO KEEP THEM CLEAN.

CRIME PREVENTION DESIGN, IT DOESN'T MEAN MEET ANY OF THEM.

IN THE SENSE THAT CRIMINALS DON'T WANT TO BE OBSERVED.

THEY CAN HIDE IN THE ALLEYWAY.

IT'S DARK, OVERGROWN.

THERE'S NO ACCESS CONTROL IN TERMS OF PEOPLE HANGING OUT

THERE.

THERE'S NO LIGHTING.

THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT AND THERE'S REALLY NO MAINTENANCE AND

MANAGEMENT.

THERE'S NO LIGHTS.

IT'S OVERGROWN.

IT'S UNIMPROVED.

AND THOSE CONDITIONS --

SO REALLY IN SUMMARY THIS IS AN ALLEY TO NOWHERE, MOSTLY

UNIMPROVED.

THERE'S NO PATHWAY TO TRAVEL.

IN TERMS OF TEST OF TIME THERE'S IN A USE TO THE PUBLIC.

IT'S UNSAFE.

IT CREATES TRASH AND SAFETY ISSUES.

WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCILMEN, I APPRECIATE YOUR




CONSIDERATION.

16:03:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
QUESTIONS OF MR. PRESSMAN?

ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

16:04:08 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.

16:04:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

16:04:10 >> RON WIGGINTON:
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE CERTAIN

CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO VOICE THEIR POSITION ON

THIS MATTER.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD JOINED US OR NOT.

16:04:29 >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.

WE OBJECTED TO THE VACATING.

WE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A HARDSHIP DEMONSTRATED.

THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE NORTHEAST BUSINESS OWNER THERE IS USING IT

FOR ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY.

I KNOW THEY MENTIONED IT IN THEIR PRESENTATION BUT IT STILL

LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE USING TO GET INTO THEIR PROPERTY.

THAT WAS OUR MAIN OBJECTION.

16:04:54 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I RESPOND?

16:05:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE GO BACK

TO MR. PRESSMAN?

16:05:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME UNDERSTAND IT.

THERE'S NO NEED -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

AND I AM NOT TRYING TO BE HARD.

16:05:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STAFF?




MR. SCOTT?

16:05:31 >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE BUSINESS OWNER NEEDS IT TO GET TO HIS

PROPERTY.

I THINK THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED IT, BUT MAYBE REACH OUT

TO THAT BUSINESS OWNER.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.

16:05:47 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
MAY I RESPOND?

16:05:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ONE SECOND.

MR. MIRANDA WILL ASK STAFF.

ARE YOU SATISFIED, MR. MIRANDA?

16:06:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.

I AM NOT HERE TO BE SATISFIED.

[ LAUGHTER ]

16:06:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SCOTT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT STAFF IS

OBJECTING TO THE ALLEY BEING CLOSED BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT

THE BUSINESS OWNER IS STILL USING IT, IS THAT CORRECT?

16:06:31 >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
ANOTHER SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT STILL

USING TO THE GET TO THEIR PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE TO USE THAT ALLEY TO GET INTO THE BACK OF THEIR

PROPERTY THEIR DOOR SWINGS INTO IT IN ORDER TO GET TO IT.

AND WE DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ANY HARDSHIP OR PUBLIC PURPOSE

TO VACATE IT.

THAT'S ALL.

16:06:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STAFF IS ASKING -- MR. CARLSON.




16:07:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. SCOTT, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THE

HARDSHIP, BUT IS THERE A PUBLIC USE FOR IT RIGHT NOW OR DO

YOU THINK IT'S ONLY USED BY THAT BUSINESS?

16:07:15 >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
AS FAR AS I KNOW IT'S USED BY THAT

BUSINESS.

16:07:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE BEEN DRIVEWAY ACCESS

OR ANYTHING TO THAT ALLEY?

16:07:27 >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
NONE EXCEPT THIS ONE.

16:07:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. WIGGINTON ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE, SIR?

16:07:38 >>RON WIGGINTON:
ALSO OTHER ADDITIONAL DEPARTMENTS

INCLUDING SOLID WASTE AND URBAN PLANNING DESIGN.

SO I AM NOT SURE IF THEY ARE ON THE LINE AS WELL OR NOT.

16:07:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER STAFF ON HERE?

WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE.

16:07:53 >> THIS IS ANDY MIKULSKI, URBAN DESIGN.

16:07:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

SWEAR HIM IN.

16:07:57 >>THE CLERK:


(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

16:08:03 >> I DO.

SO TO ADDRESS THE URBAN DESIGN COMMENTS, THIS IS MORE FOR

DEVELOPMENT, SO THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY, WHEN THE SITE IS

REDEVELOPED, IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT PARKING BE TO THE REAR OR

THE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY, SO THIS ALLEY WAS IDEALLY IT




PROVIDES -- IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE

SITE, AND WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR MULTIPLE CURB CUTS ON

KENNEDY BOULEVARD, WHICH TIES INTO THE CITY'S VISION ZERO

POLICY.

SO IT'S IN EFFECT THE ALLEYWAY IS GOING TO PROVIDE KIND OF

THE FREE DRIVEWAY FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARCEL.

SO THAT IS URBAN DESIGN'S OBJECTION, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT

FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT AND CAUSE WHOEVER -- IF IT IS VACATED

WHEN THOSE SITES ARE REDEVELOPMENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A

LOT MORE -- EACH SITE IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE

VEHICLE CIRCULATION OF PARKING WHICH IS GOING TO EAT UP A

LOT OF THE REDEVELOPABLE POTENTIAL FOR EACH PARCEL.

16:09:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?

ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE FROM STAFF TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

ANYBODY FROM STAFF TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

SEEING NO, WE WILL GO BACK TO MR. PRESSMAN FOR REBUTTAL.

16:09:31 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M NOT SURE, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO STAFF, YOU CAN SEE

FROM THE PICTURES, THIS ALLEYWAY IS BARELY WIDER THAN A CAR.

SO AS THEY INDICATED, IT WOULD PROVIDE PARKING FOR THIS

PARCEL, BUT TO CLARIFY, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE TO ACCESS THE

PARCEL.

THEY WANT ACCESS ALL AROUND KENNEDY AND ON THE SIDE STREETS.

SO WHEN STAFF TALKS ABOUT VEHICULAR MOVEMENTS THROUGH THIS




ALLEYWAY, AND PARKING FOR THIS PROPERTY, THOSE TWO ARE

IMPOSSIBILITIES AS THEY ADDRESS EACH OTHER.

AGAIN TO CLARIFY, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PLENTY OF ACCESS.

THIS IS NOT THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S A DOOR BEHIND, BUT THE MAIN ACCESS IS ON THE SIDE

STREET.

16:10:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

ROSS?

16:10:29 >>ROSS SAMMONS:
I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON THAT POINT THAT

MR. PRESSMAN MADE ABOUT CURRENTLY IT'S AS WIDE AS A CAR.

TECHNICALLY IT'S PLATTED, IT'S 15 FEET WIDE.

SO TECHNICALLY IN THE FUTURE IF SOMETHING WAS DEVELOPED

THERE TO MR. MIKULSKI'S POINT, THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE THE

OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE PAVE THAT AND IT WOULD BE 15 FEET IN

THE FUTURE.

BUT CURRENTLY, YES, MR. PRESSMAN IS RIGHT.

BUT TO MR. MIKULSKI'S POINT, IT IS ACTUALLY 15 FEET.

16:11:07 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
THAT'S STILL NEGATED BY SAYING THE PURPOSE

WOULD BE PARKING FOR A PARKING LOT.

NO ONE HAS SOUGHT TO USE IT SINCE THE AERIAL IN 2000.

16:11:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

16:11:20 >> JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT THAT WE WOULD -- IF SOMEONE

WERE TO REDEVELOP THIS PARCEL THAT THEY WOULD PARK IN THE

ALLEY BUT THEIR PARKING LOT WOULD BE ACCESSED ON THE ALLEY.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE RUNNING INTO ESPECIALLY IN




SEMINOLE HEIGHTS ALONG THE FLORIDA AND TAMPA CORRIDORS.

WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE, BUT IT'S REALLY

IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ALLEYS, SO WE HAVE TO GET

ACCESS, VEHICULAR ACCESS IN THE FORM OF CURB CUTS ALONG THE

CORRIDORS, WHICH REALLY KILLS WALKABILITY.

16:11:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF?

16:12:01 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
THE SIDEWALK ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD, 25 FEET

FROM THE ALLEYWAY.

NO DISRESPECT TO THE CITY STAFF.

16:12:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

MOVE TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY VIERA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES.

16:12:24 >> FILE VAC 21-18.

ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,

AN ORDINANCE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING,

DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING A RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEYWAY LOCATED

SOUTH OF KENNEDY BOULEVARD, NORTH OF CLEVELAND STREET, EAST

OF HESPERIDES STREET, AND WEST OF LAUBER WAY WITHIN THE PLAT

OF ROSEMONT SUBDIVISION, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN

SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS

AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN




PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS,

PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING

CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN

EFFECTIVE DATE.

16:13:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.

16:13:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

16:13:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

16:13:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

16:13:25 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

16:13:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

16:13:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

16:13:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

16:13:29 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 7th,

2022 AT 9:30 A.M.

16:13:37 >>TODD PRESSMAN:
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.

16:13:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 70.

LAST ONE TODAY.

16:13:46 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

ITEM NUMBER 70 IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW THAT WAS FILED

REGARDING AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD HEARING FOR THE

PROPERTY LOCATED AT 714 SOUTH BOULEVARD.

THE CASE NUMBER IS ARC-21-557.

THE PROPERTY OWNER ASKED THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION




TO APPROVE A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM

20 FEET TO 16 FEET WITH 3 FEET FOR EAVES AND GUTTERS.

THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION HEARD THE REQUEST ON

DECEMBER 9th OF 2021 AND DENIED THE VARIANCE REQUEST. BY

THE PROPERTY OWNER BASED UPON THE PROPERTY OWNER NOT MEETING

THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA AS SET FORTH IN CODE SECTION 27-114,

SPECIFICALLY SUBSECTIONS 1 AND 5 OF THAT CODE SECTION.

CITY COUNCIL WAS RECENTLY PROVIDED THE RELEVANT CODE

SECTIONS WHICH IS CODE SECTION 27-414.

THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AND SAMPLE MOTIONS REGARDING THIS

PARTICULAR ITEM.

THE STANDARD OF REVIEW ACCORDING TO CODE SECTION 27-61

SUBSECTION G-2 IS A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW MEANING CITY

COUNCIL CAN TAKE TESTIMONY, RECEIVE NEW EVIDENCE, AND MAKE A

DECISION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PETITIONER HAS MET

THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA THAT'S SET FORTH IN CODE SECTION

27-114.

MR. VILA WITH STAFF WILL GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION

REQUEST BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION AND

EXPLAIN FURTHER THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA THAT I PREVIOUSLY

PROVIDED, AND THAT'S GAIN SIX ITEMS THAT THE SIX SUBSECTIONS

THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST MEET FOR THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA.

AFTER TAKING THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND RECEIVING ANY EVIDENCE

REGARDING THIS ITEM, CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE THREE ACTIONS,

HAS THREE OPTIONS REGARDING THIS PETITION FOR REVIEW.




CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW DECISION

AND DENY THE VARIANCE REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, CITY

COUNCIL CAN REMAND THE ITEM BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW

COMMISSION WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTION FOR THE BOARD TO

CONSIDER, OR LASTLY, CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION

FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION AND THEREBY GRANT

THE VARIANCE REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.

AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN --

16:16:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY.

I'M SO SORRY.

FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING BUT BEFORE YOU TURN IT OVER TO

MR. VILA, JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY

EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS RELEVANT TO THIS THAT YOU DISCLOSE

THAT AT THIS TIME, AND ALSO WITH REGARD TO ANY WRITTEN

DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION

TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

16:16:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

16:16:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.

16:16:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY VIERA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

16:16:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY APOLOGIES.

THANK YOU.

16:17:00 >>RON VILA:
STAFF OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN.




CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN AT THIS TIME, PLEASE?

IS MY SCREEN AVAILABLE, EVERYBODY?

16:17:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S BEING BLOWN UP FOR US RIGHT NOW.

WE GOT IT.

16:17:34 >>RON VILA:
THANK YOU, SIR.

TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME BACKGROUND AND SOME INFORMATION

MOVING FORWARD, I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH A BRIEF PHOTO

PRESENTATION.

THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS GREEN

PARCEL.

THE ADDRESS IS 714 SOUTH BOULEVARD WHICH FRONTS TO THE

NORTH, YOU HAVE SWANN AS A CROSS STREET, YOU HAVE BAYSHORE

BOULEVARD TO THE EAST, AND TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN TO THE

SOUTH INMAN.

THERE IS A 16-FOOT ALLEY RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH BEHIND THE

SUBJECT SITE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS BLOCK, THIS IS ON THE SANBORN MAP FROM

1929 SHOWING THE FABRIC AND THE LAYOUT OF THE STRUCTURES IN

THE EARLY 1900S, YOU SEE THE DEPTH OF THE PARCELS HERE.

THEY ARE ALL CONSISTENT WITHIN THIS BLOCK WITH THE SUBJECT

SITE WITHIN THIS SLOT.

THE NEXT IS AN AERIAL.

I WANT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH POINT OF REFERENCE.

PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GREEN BOX.

ONCE AGAIN THIS IS ON SOUTH BOULEVARD.




IT'S JUST TO THE SOUTH OF SWANN.

AS YOU COME DOWN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, YOU GET INTO HYDE PARK,

INTO HYDE PARK VILLAGE DOWN SWANN, AND YOU HEAD SOUTH ON

BOULEVARD, AND THEN THE CROSS STREET TO THE SOUTH.

TO GET FAMILIAR WITH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THIS IS THE

FRONT ELEVATION OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND THE NORTH ELEVATION.

AND THEN LOOKING DOWN THE VEHICULAR CORRIDOR, THAT DEAD-ENDS

TO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

THE ABUTTING STRUCTURE TO THE NORTH IS AN INTERVENING

STRUCTURE.

GOING BACK TO THE SUBJECT SITE, THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION

WITH ALL THE VEGETATION THAT IS THERE, THE PROPERTY TO THE

SOUTH, ABUTTING IS THIS ONE-STORY STRUCTURE.

LOOKING DOWN SOUTH BOULEVARD TOWARDS BAYSHORE, THEN IN THE

OTHER DIRECTION LOOKING BACK TOWARDS SWANN.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

FOCUSING ON THE STRUCTURE AND THE PARCEL IN QUESTION.

THIS IS THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

CURRENTLY THEY HAVE ANN ARBOR IN THE BACK THAT IS ABOUT

60-FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

VERTICAL ASPECT OF IT, AND THEN IT HAS THESE CASCADING

STAIRS THAT WRAP AROUND.

THIS WILL COME UP IN A FUTURE DISCUSSION.

I WANTED TO SHARE THESE PICTURES WITH YOU.




THIS IS CURRENTLY THE REAR ELEVATION, THAT HAS THIS VERTICAL

ARBOR.

OPEN TO THE AIR, ALL SIDES.

AND THE CURRENT REAR YARD WITH THE ARBOR.

THAT CONCLUDES THE PHOTO PRESENTATION.

GOING INTO THE APPLICATION ITSELF.

THE APPLICATION CAME INTO THE OFFICE WITH AN ADDITION TO A

ONE-STORY PORCH, AND ENLARGED KITCHEN ON THE REAR OF THE

PROPERTY, WITH A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD FROM

20-FOOT TO 16-FOOT.

AS PART OF THE VARIANCE HARDSHIP CRITERIA MOVING FORWARD,

THERE ARE SIX CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS

THAT HAVE TO BE ADHERED TO.

WHEN I READ THE MOTION FOR DENIAL, ITEM NUMBER 1 AND ITEM

NUMBER 5, WAS THE CONDITION THAT THE BOARD FELT THAT WAS NOT

MET AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE

PLAN.

THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.

THIS IS THE FRONT STREET WHICH IS BOULEVARD.

EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDER YOUR REVIEW IS IN THE BACK.

SO THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION.

THIS IS THE ARBOR THAT SHOWS THE HATCH LINE IN HERE.

THIS IS THE CASCADING STAIRS THAT WRAP AROUND THE ARBOR.

THE CURRENT SETBACK IS 15-FOOT 9 INCHES.




STAFF TRIED TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO YOU.

WE FOUND NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE ARC

OR THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THIS IS SHOWING THE ADDITION.

IN THIS LOCATION.

PART OF IT IS IN ADDITION FOR AN ENCLOSED ADDITION TO THE

DINING ROOM AND KITCHEN.

AND THIS IS A COVERED SCREENED-IN AREA HERE.

THE VARIANCE REQUEST. IS IN THIS SECTION HERE.

REDUCTION FROM CODE STANDARD TO THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION

WHICH IS 20-FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK TO 16-FOOT, WHICH IS

ILLUSTRATED BY THIS DIMENSION LINE, WITH AN ENCROACHMENT OF

3-FOOT FOR EAVES AND GUTTERS.

THERE IS NO VARIANCE REQUEST. FOR THE SIDE YARD SO THIS IS

THE REAR YARD HERE.

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE REDOING THIS AFTERNOON.

THIS WAS THE MOTION FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE

ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION REVIEWED THE REFERENCED

APPLICATION AT ITS MEETING ON DECEMBER 8, 2021.

THE ARC VOTED TO DENY THE VARIANCE REQUEST. FOR THE REAR

YARD SETBACK FROM 20-FOOT TO 16-FOOT WITH AN ENCROACHMENT

FOR 3-FOOT FOR EAVES AND GUTTERS, WITH THE ONE CAVEAT THAT I

SPOKE ABOUT, THE CONDITION WAS THAT IT DIDN'T MEET THE

HARDSHIP CRITERIA FOR ITEMS NUMBER 1 AND ITEM NUMBER 5 ON




THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

THAT WAS A 3-1 VOTE, AND THAT CONCLUDE MY PORTION AT THIS

TIME, AND I WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

16:23:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. VILA?

ALL RIGHT.

THE APPLICANT?

16:23:36 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I'M HERE REPRESENTING ANNA BERNUS.

16:23:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SWEAR MR. MICHELINI.

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

16:23:50 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I DO.

THE BOARD LOOKED AT THIS, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION

REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH A FEW PARAGRAPHS FOR YOU.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A HARDSHIP BUT IT ALSO SAYS PRACTICAL

DIFFICULTIES.

AND THE PROPERTY AND THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING

STRUCTURE.

I THINK THAT THE STAFF POINTED OUT TO YOU THAT THERE'S AN

EXISTING ARBOR, 15 FEET, 9 INCHES, FROM PROPERTY LINE.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE HERE, AND WE HAVE SUPPORT LETTERS

FROM THIS PROPERTY OWNER HERE TO THE NORTH, THIS PROPERTY

OWNER HERE, ADJACENT TO THE EAST, THIS PROPERTY OWNER HERE

WHO IS ADJACENT TO THE WEST.

AND I WILL BE GOING THROUGH THIS.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.




AGAIN OUTLINED HERE AND THE SUPPORTING LETTER.

THESE LOTS ARE ONLY 99 FEET DEEP FOR THIS ENTIRE BLOCK.

IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT, AND YOU WILL LOOK AT THESE

DIMENSIONS HERE, 127 FEET, 155 FEET DEEP, 127 FEET DEEP.

THE ALLEY AND THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY HERE ARE ONLY 50 FEET.

THE ALLEY -- I MEAN THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY HERE IS 60 FEET.

SO THIS PROPERTY IS ESSENTIALLY LOST THE ABILITY TO HAVE A

DEEPER LOT AND ALSO TO HAVE THE SETBACK THAT'S BEING

PROPOSED, WHICH IS A FOOT OFF THE OVERALL DIMENSION OF THE

PROPERTY, PLUS THE DIMENSIONS OF THIS WHOLE BLOCK ARE

SMALLER THAN THE OTHER ONE.

SO WHEN YOU START GOING THROUGH THE HARDSHIP AND IT SAYS

PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES AS WELL, THEY DIDN'T ESTABLISH THESE

LOTS OR THE DIMENSIONS OF THESE LOTS.

THEIR HOUSE IS AN EXISTING HOUSE.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PICK UP THE HOUSE AND TRY TO MOVE TO

THE MEET ANOTHER CRITERIA FOR SETBACK.

AND WHEN THE BOARD TALKED ABOUT NOT MEETING THE PRACTICAL

DIFFICULTIES, OR THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA, THEY FAILED TO

RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THIS ENTIRE BLOCK WAS NOT EVEN

SUBSTANDARD.

TO MEET THE EXISTING CODE REGARDING ZONING.

IT'S A NONCONFORMING LOT AS ALL OF THOSE LOTS ARE ON THAT

PROPERTY.

WE WENT THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.




WE PROVIDED TO THEM THIS PHOTOGRAPH, WHICH IS THE EXISTING

ARBOR ON THE BACK, WHICH SITS AT 15 FEET 9 INCHES FROM THE

REAR PROPERTY LINE.

AND GRANTED, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF CAN'T FIND A PERMIT FOR

THIS, HOWEVER, THE COMPANY OWNERS DIDN'T BUILD THIS.

THEY ARE REQUESTING TO REBUILD THIS AND MAKE IT COMPATIBLE

WITH THE EXISTING DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS A SIDE VIEW.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING AS EXISTING AND THIS IS WHAT'S

BEING PROPOSED WHICH WILL BE A PERMANENT ROOF ON, AND TO

MAKE IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE HOUSE.

THERE'S A COUPLE MORE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWING YOU THE EXTENT TO

WHICH -- THIS IS AN EXTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT HERE IN TERMS OF

AN ADDITION, AND I AM NOT REALLY SURE HOW IT WOULD ADVERSELY

AFFECT ANYONE ELSE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER CRITERIA. IT WASN'T CREATED BY THIS

APPLICANT.

IT DOESN'T INTERFERE, ADVERSELY AFFECT ANYONE ELSE.

THE CONDITION EXISTS ALREADY AT 15-9.

WE ARE ASKING IT TO BE REDUCED FROM 20 FEET TO 16 FEET.

THE VARIANCE IS IN HARMONY WITH THE DESIGNATED AND

ACCOMMODATE THE UNUSUAL CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY.

WE ARE ESSENTIALLY -- WE ARE HINDERED BY PROPERTY.

THIS ONE TO THE -- IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH WHICH IS A ZERO

LOT LINE.




THIS ONE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM US WHICH IS RIGHT ON THE

ALLEY.

AND ANOTHER ONE.

THEY ARE ALL INSIDE OF THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS.

WE ARE NOT CREATING ANY KIND OF ADVERSE EFFECT TO ANYONE

ELSE.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES, WE HAVE A

DIAGRAM WE ARE SHOWING YOU.

I APOLOGIZE TO YOU.

THIS IS THE EXISTING IMPACT HERE.

THIS IS WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED TO ENCLOSE THIS AREA SO IT

LOOKS LIKE THAT.

HERE IS THE DIAGRAM SHOWING YOU WHAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES

LOOK LIKE, BACK TO THEIR SETBACKS, AND THE EXISTING

STRUCTURE, WHICH IS HERE.

THIS IS EXISTING PROPERTY HERE.

THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH WHICH IS

718.

THIS IS 710.

SHOWING YOU WHAT THEY HAVE HERE.

713.

ZERO LOT LINE ON THE ALLEY.

ALMOST ZERO.

THIS IS PROBABLY ABOUT A FOOT OFF THE ALLEY HERE.




709.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER FOR THE RECORD THE THREE PROPERTY

OWNERS SUPPORTING LETTERS FROM 718, 710 AND 711.

711 FIELDING, 710 SOUTH BOULEVARD AND 718 SOUTH BOULEVARD.

I AM JUST GOING TO READ THIS INTO THE RECORD FOR YOU.

WE RESIDE AT 710 SOUTH BOULEVARD WHICH SUPPORTS THE REVIEW

REQUEST REGARDING THEIR HOME AT 714.

WE REVIEWED THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN FOR THE BUILDER AND ARE

AWARE THAT THE REQUEST TO SETBACK RELIEF FROM 20 TO 16 FEET.

WE SUPPORT THE REQUEST FOR THIS REASONABLE LIMITED EXCEPTION

WHICH IS WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO GRANT.

IN LIGHT OF THE SIZE, POSITIONING, CHARACTER OF THE HOME WE

BELIEVE THE REQUESTED VARIANCE IS REASONABLE AND

APPROPRIATE.

WE DO NOT FEEL THAT THEIR REQUESTS OR DESIGN IS OUT OF

CHARACTER WITH HYDE PARK, AND TO THAT POINT WE STILL HAVE TO

MOVE THE HYDE PARK DESIGN DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES.

SPECIFICALLY, MANY OF THE HOMES AS WELL AS THOSE ADJACENT

ALREADY EXIST WITH STRUCTURES WHICH HAVE SERVICE ALLEY WHICH

ARE CLOSER.

OUR ENTIRE PROPERTY ABUTS ENTIRE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THEIR

PROPERTY, AND AS OWNERS WE WOULD BE THE ONES IMPACTED.

WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD NOT

BE IN OPPOSITION TO OUR RIGHTS.

CONTRARY IT WOULD ENHANCE THE HISTORIC LOOK OF THE REAR AND




WOULD PROVIDE NEEDED PRIVACY FOR THEM AT THEIR HOUSE.

THAT WAS FROM 710 SOUTH BOULEVARD.

16:32:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. MICHELINI, ARE YOU WILLING TO PUT

THOSE LETTERS INTO THE RECORD?

16:32:34 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I AM GOING TO HAND THEM TO YOU TO PUT

INTO THE RECORD.

THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 7 ST. LOUIS PROVIDING SUPPORT AGAIN.

I AM JUST PAR A RAISING, AND 711 SOUTH FIELDING, AND ONE OF

THE THINGS THAT IS NOTED ON THE LETTER FROM 711 FIELDING IS

THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS AN ARCHITECT AND MEMBER OF THE

HISTORIC -- HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HISTORIC GRANT COMMITTEE.

AND THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT WOULD

HAPPEN WITH THESE VARIOUS PROPOSALS.

WE HAVE MET THE INTENT OF WHAT THE CODE SAYS YOU HAVE TO

MEET IN TERMS OF PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES AND HARDSHIP.

I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU ABOUT THE LOT.

IT'S A NONCONFORMING LOT.

THEY HAVE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.

IT ALREADY IS AT 15 FEET 9 INCHES.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE REQUEST TO CONVERT THIS AND MAKE IT

HISTORICALLY COMPATIBLE IN MEETING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION

GUIDELINES AND DESIGN IS AN APPROPRIATE AND RESPECTFUL

REQUEST TO THIS BOARD TO OVERTURN THE ARC.

WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU OVERTURN THAT DENIAL.

16:33:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO.




16:33:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

SO YOU ESSENTIALLY ARE RIGHTING A WRONG, MEANING WHAT'S

EXISTING NOW ON THE BACK PATIO, YOU SAID THEY COULD NOT FIND

A PERMIT FOR, SO WE ARE ASSUMING IT WAS BUILT WITHOUT A

PERMIT, CORRECT?

16:33:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S WHAT MR. VILA SAID.

THAT THEY LOOKED FOR A PERMIT.

BUT IT'S OLD.

IT'S NOT A NEW CONSTRUCTION.

16:34:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO KNOWS, THE HOUSE MUST BE 1930s, I

WOULD ASSUME.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYTIME IN THAT.

16:34:09 >> FROM THE 20s ON.

16:34:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO WHAT YOU PLAN TO REPLACE IT WITH IS

AN ENCLOSED ONE-STORY DESIGN, BASICALLY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL

ROOM, AND OF COURSE IT WOULD MATCH THE REST OF THE HOUSE.

SO IT WOULDN'T DISTURB THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY.

16:34:28 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
NO.

16:34:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND YOU ARE ASKING FOR 20 FEET TO 16

FEET.

16:34:32 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
YES, SIR.

16:34:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND LOOKING AT 713, 711, EVEN 709 --

718 TO 710, THEY ARE RIGHT UP TO THE ALLEY.

THEY ARE RIGHT UP TO -- YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A LOT OF




HEADACHE FOR SOMETHING REALLY SO MINOR.

IT'S NOT AFFECTING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER OF

THE SURROUNDING PARCELS.

I MEAN, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS, BUT I DON'T SEE

AN ISSUE WITH THIS.

16:35:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON?

16:35:07 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. MICHELINI, DID THE APPLICANT OR THE

OWNER -- I'M SORRY, I'M TIRED -- DID THE OWNER HAVE BENEFIT

OF YOUR EXPERTISE IN PRESENTING ARKS, AND ARE THERE ANY NEW

ARGUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE NOW THAT YOU WISH YOU HAD MADE AT

THAT MEETING?

16:35:28 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
WELL, WHAT I DID PULL THAT'S DIFFERENT

IS PLATTING THE ADJACENT BLOCKS, THEY ARE MUCH LARGER.

WE STATED IT ON THE RECORD.

AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP THAT WE DIDN'T

HAVE THE VERIFICATION ON REGARDING THESE PROPERTIES, AND

WHEN DID THEY ENCROACH AND BUILD BACK TO THE ALLEYWAY.

AND THEN THERE WAS AN ASSERTION THAT THESE WEREN'T REALLY

OCCUPIED SPACES, SO WE WENT BACK AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE

THOSE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, AND WE MADE SURE THAT THEY KNEW

EXACTLY WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, AND THEY VERIFIED THAT

THEIR PROPERTIES WERE PROBABLY MORE -- NOT OUT OF CHARACTER,

BUT THEY ENCROACHED MORE THAN THE REQUEST THAT WAS BEING

PROVIDED TO THE ARC.

DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?




16:36:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, THANK YOU.

16:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. MICHELINI?

ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

16:36:29 >>THE CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.

16:36:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO REGISTERED.

MOVE TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CITRO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

MOTION GRANTED.

ALL RIGHT, MR. MANISCALCO.

16:36:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE OVERTURN THE ARC'S

DECISION AND HEREBY GRANT THE VARIANCE ARC-21-557 FOR THE

PROPERTY AT 714 SOUTH BOULEVARD BECAUSE THE PETITION DOES

MEET THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-114.

WHEN I DID ASK QUESTIONS A FEW MINUTES AGO TO THE APPLICANT,

HE DOES HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD AFFECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE

NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK IT REALLY DOES MATCH AT LEAST THREE OUT OF THE FOUR,

FOUR OF THE FIVE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND IT'S A MINOR

REQUEST.

THEY ARE TAKING OUT THE OUTDOOR PATIO, AND CREATING AN

ENCLOSED STRUCTURE THAT WOULD MATCH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE

OF THE HOUSE.

THEREFORE, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU WOULD THINK IT'S PART OF




THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

THAT'S MY MOTION.

16:37:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

ROLL CALL.

16:37:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

16:37:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

16:37:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

16:37:49 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

16:37:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

16:37:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

16:37:52 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

16:37:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.

16:37:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE DO THAT HOUR, GENTLEMEN.

THAT HOUR.

AND A WALK-ON.

OKAY.

MA'AM, DO YOU HAVE AN ITEM?

16:38:44 >> [OFF MICROPHONE] SOMETHING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS

MORNING.

16:39:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL TAKE MR. MIRANDA FIRST.

(MOTION CARRIED)

RESOLUTION IS ONE THAT RESOLUTION FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL,

THE CITY, CALLING UPON THE UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF




INTERIOR TO RECOGNIZE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF ROBERTO

CLEMENTE'S PASSING TO NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES

PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

16:39:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

A ROLL CALL?

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

ALL RIGHT.

WE GO TO THE SECOND WALK-ON.

AND MADAM CLERK.

16:39:50 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
CITY CLERK.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENT POLICY AND

PROCEDURES GUIDELINES FOR FILLING THE VACANCY IN DISTRICT 3

AT-LARGE, EXISTING ON MARCH 14th, 2022.

WE WANT TO GO OVER THE SELECTION PROCESS, GET YOU TO APPROVE

THE PROCESS, APPROVE THE TIMELINE, AND THE APPLICATION.

THAT'S TODAY.

AND I WILL JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER THE TIMELINE.

ONCE YOU APPROVE THAT TODAY, ON MONDAY, AT NOON, WE WANT TO

HAVE THE APPLICATION FORM AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

ALSO INCLUDE AN INVITATION TO THOSE THAT COMPLETE THE

APPLICATION TO APPEAR ON APRIL 4th AT 9:00 A.M.

16:41:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APRIL 5th?

16:41:22 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
APRIL 5th.




I STAND CORRECTED.

AT 9:00 A.M.

AND THAT'S ON MARCH 21st AT NOON, THE APPLICATION AND

THE INVITATION.

THEY WILL HAVE TEN DAYS TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATION WHICH

WILL BE DUE ON MARCH 31st, WHICH IS THURSDAY AT 5 P.M.,

EITHER IN ELECTRONIC FORM OR IN PERSON.

ON FRIDAY, APRIL 1st, THE COMPILED APPLICATIONS WILL BE

DISTRIBUTED TO YOU, COUNCIL.

THEN ON TUESDAY, APRIL 5th, INDIVIDUALS WILL BE GRANTED

A TWO-MINUTE PRESENTATION.

AND FOLLOWING THAT, THE SELECTION WILL BE BY BALLOT.

AND THEN THERE'S A RESOLUTION THAT WILL BE PASSED.

THAT'S ON APRIL 5th.

AND ON APRIL 7th, WHICH IS D-DAY, THE NEW COUNCILMEMBER

WILL BE ADMINISTERED THEIR OATH OF OFFICE, AND THEY WILL

TAKE THEIR SEAT.

HIS OR HER SEAT.

16:42:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE

PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE 5th OR NOT?

16:42:52 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
YES, THEY WILL MAKE A VOTE AS FAR

AS PUBLIC COMMENT.

16:43:00 >> NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

16:43:00 >> NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

16:43:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE THAT EXPLICIT




SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY EXPECTATION THAT THERE WILL BE

PUBLIC COMMENT.

16:43:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY, I WILL CONFIRM THAT.

16:43:14 >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE IF A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SHOW UP

EXPECTING TO SPEAK THEY WILL NOT BE HAPPY.

16:43:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR THE

TWO-MINUTE INTERVIEWS.

AND SO I CAN PUT THAT ON THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, THERE

WILL BE NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

AS I RECALL, MS. FOXX-KNOWLES, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

16:43:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
WELL, IF IT'S ALLOWED WHEN WE COULD PUT A

SECOND SENTENCE SAYING HOWEVER PUBLIC COULD BE MADE -- AT

THE FOLLOWING THURSDAY MEETING PEOPLE COULD MAKE A REGULAR

PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE NOT TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S JUST NOT TAKEN THAT DAY.

16:43:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THURSDAY, MARCH 31st, IS A

MEETING THAT'S BEING SET, AND WE CAN SET PUBLIC COMMENT, IF

YOU LIKE, ON THE APPLICATIONS, IF PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK TO

THE APPOINTMENT ON THAT DATE, COUNCIL.

ON THE 5th OR THE 7th.

16:44:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT IT'S GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

16:44:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

16:44:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
RIGHT, SO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE

DAY OF REVIEWING APPLICATION, THAT WOULD BE MARCH 31st




IS WHEN THE GENERAL COMMENT WOULD BE MADE.

THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT TUESDAY.

CORRECT?

16:44:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S CORRECT.

16:44:33 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
JUST FOR THE APPLICANTS.

16:44:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THIS TIMELINE OF

APRIL 1st.

IF WE GET THE APPLICATION ON FRIDAY, I AM SURE YOU ARE GOING

TO GET IT BY NOON TIME, I WOULD IMAGINE.

AND THERE COULD BE A MULTITUDE OF APPLICATIONS THAT COME

OVER A WEEKEND TO BE READY FOR TUESDAY.

I CORRECT ON THAT?

16:44:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S RIGHT.

16:44:55 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
IN THE PAST WE HAVE HAD OVER 100.

16:45:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHOA, WHOA!

16:45:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS PART OF IT.

16:45:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOW DOES THAT NARROW DOWN?

16:45:14 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
YOU WOULD NEED AT LEAST FOUR VOTES

TO BE ELECTED.

BUT INDIVIDUALS, IT WILL BE NARROWED DOWN BASED ON HOW MANY

VOTES YOU GET, LIKE --

16:45:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO IT'S NARROWED DOWN --

16:45:38 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
A SECOND BALLOT, OR THIRD BALLOT.

16:45:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THAT'S SET FORTH, BY THE WAY, COUNCIL,

IN YOUR NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION OF THE SELECTION PROCESS, FOR




INSTANCE, IN THE EVENT NO APPLICANT RECEIVES FOUR VOTES,

ONLY THE APPLICANTS RECEIVING THE GREATEST THE NEXT GREATEST

OR EQUAL NUMBER OF VOTES SHALL BE GENERALLY FOR ANOTHER

BALLOT.

THE CITY CLERK WILL REGISTER ANOTHER BALLOT.

THE CITY COUNCIL WITH ONLY THE NAMES LEGIBLE BEING THOSE OF

THE APPLICANTS IN THE RUNOFF, AND SHALL TALLY AND ANNOUNCE

THE RESULTS.

THE APPLICATION WHO RECEIVES FOUR OR MORE VOTES SHALL BE THE

PERSON SELECTED.

16:46:16 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
YES.

16:46:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND ALL COUNCILMEN WILL GET A COPY OF THE

APPLICATIONS?

16:46:24 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
WE WILL SEND THAT OUT.

16:46:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ONCE IT'S APPROVED, THE APPLICATION, JUST

THE APPLICATION.

16:46:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

16:46:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, ANYTHING ELSE?

16:46:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONLY VOTE IS A PAPER VOTE, NOT A HAND

VOTE, RIGHT?

IT'S NOT A VOICE VOTE?

16:46:45 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
IT'S A BALLOT.

16:46:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE QUESTION WILL BE, HOW THE CLERK DOES

ANNOUNCE THAT NUMBER, AND I DISCUSS THAT WITH THE CLERK AND

THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, IN LIGHT OF RECENT COURT CASES JUST TO




MAKE CERTAIN WE DO IT OUR Is AND CROSS OUR Ts.

16:47:02 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND BUILDING ON THE LAST QUESTION, JUST TO

CLARIFY, THE PAPER BALLOT, WILL SIGN WILL, CORRECT?

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

THANK YOU.

16:47:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE?

16:47:19 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
NO.

16:47:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION FOR THE OLYMPICS APPLICATION

PROCESS? CITRO, MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

WE HAVE THE APPLICATION PROCESS APPROVED.

16:47:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THIS APPLICATION PROCESS, MADAM CLERK,

WILL BE AVAILABLE ON NOON ON MONDAY.

16:47:37 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
NOON ON MONDAY.

16:47:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE, COUNCIL, AND THAT COMES THROUGH

THE CLERK'S OFFICE, CORRECT?

16:47:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

16:47:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE, COUNCIL, EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS BEEN

APPROVED -- NOON ON MONDAY, TO MAKE SURE?

16:48:01 >>THE CLERK:
RIGHT.

AND THE APPLICATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECTED

AND I WILL FORWARD A COPY TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS.




IN ADDITION TO THE MOTION, THERE'S A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING

ON APRIL 5th JUST FOR THE RECORD?

16:48:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SCHEDULE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING TO

SCREEN THE APPLICANTS AND HEAR FROM THEM APRIL 5th AT

9:00 A.M.

16:48:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

MR. SHELBY, YOUR TURN, SIR.

16:48:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

FIRST OF ALL, IF I DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE APRIL

7th MEETING ON YOUR CALENDAR, YOUR LAST ITEM IS THAT THE

CHIEF OF STAFF AND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER APPEAR AND

DISCUSS THE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION

AND THE COUNCIL FOR CREATING THE NEXT BUDGET.

I AM GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO AMEND THAT TO HAVE INCLUDING

THE DISCUSSION OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET AND ADVISORY

COMMITTEE.

16:49:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.

16:49:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVED BY MR. MANISCALCO.

SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.




16:49:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE LAST THING, COUNCIL.

RATHER SIGNIFICANT AND RATHER UNUSUAL.

BUT I AM GOING TO ASK FOR COUNCIL'S TO CONSIDER POSTPONING

NEXT WEEK'S CHARTER WORKSHOP, IN LIGHT OF THE EVENTS OF THIS

WEEK, AND I KNOW THAT IS UNUSUAL, BUT IN TALKING WITH THE

DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT AT USF, AND

REVIEWING WHAT HAS HAPPENED HAVING ONE COUNCILMEMBER NOT

PRESENT AND NOT BEING APPOINTED NOW UNTIL MARCH 7th

[SIC], IT WOULD BE OF GREATER VALUE TO COUNCIL TO HAVE A

FULL COUNCIL.

PARDON ME, APRIL 7Th?

WHAT DID I SAY, MARCH?

I'M LIVING IN THE PAST.

APRIL 7th.

FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.

16:49:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

16:50:02 >>> I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS THINKING

ABOUT THAT.

WE HAD A POTENTIAL TIME HERE THAT WE HAD TO CONTINUE FOR

THAT ONE ITEM THAT WAS ALREADY CONTINUED.

WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED THIS MORNING WITH THE CHIEF.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN A TIE VOTE.

THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE WITH THE CHIEF.

AND BEING THAT WE HAVE AN EVEN NUMBER, YOU CAN'T HAVE A 4-3,

YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE TIES AND TIDES AND TIES.




SO BEING THAT THE CHARTER IS SO SIGNIFICANT, AND BASICALLY

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CITY, AS LONG AS WE DON'T LOSE ANY

MONEY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A FACILITATOR, AND I KNOW THAT

IT'S GOING TO COST US, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE POSTPONE THAT

TO THE NEXT WORKSHOP, THE NEXT MONTH OR WHATEVER IT TAKES,

SO WE HAVE THAT SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WE HAVE A FULL

COUNCIL, BECAUSE SOME ISSUES COULD BE CONTENTIOUS.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I DON'T WANT TIE VOTES, AND WE WASTE OUR TIME.

I WOULD RATHER IT BE A FULL COUNCIL AND WE GET WHAT WE WANT

DONE ON THAT SAID WORKSHOP DAY AND CONTINUING THIS.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WILL WE LOSE ANY MONEY?

I KNOW I ASKED THE LAST TIME, HOW MUCH IS THE FACILITATOR

COST?

AND IS IT A CONTRACT THAT WE SIGNED OR DIDN'T SIGN?

DID WE PUT A DEPOSIT? DO WE MAKE PAYMENTS FOR THAT?

ARE WE EFFECTED FINANCIALLY BY THAT?

16:51:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT WE HAVE IS ACCEPTANCE OF THE PROPOSAL

BY COUNCIL, AND I HAVE HAD IT APPROVED THROUGH THE

ADMINISTRATION THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING, AND THE

LIKE.

THERE IS NO SIGNED CONTRACT.

I DID SPEAK WITH ANDREA KRISTIN AND SHE ASSURED ME IT WAS

POSTPONED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO FINANCIAL IMPACT, AND IT'S

EARLY ENOUGH NOW FOR THE NEXT WEEK'S WORKSHOP MEETING IN THE




MORNING TO BE CANCELED, AND HAVE NO IMPACT ON FACILITATOR.

SO AS LONG AS IT'S NOT POSTPONED TOO LONG.

MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, COUNCIL, IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL

AFTER THE COUNCIL APPOINTS THE SEVENTH MEMBER BEFORE YOU SET

THE DATE, THEN WE CAN SET THE DATE, THEN IT CAN BE A SPECIAL

CALL MEETING.

HOWEVER YOU WISH TO DO IT.

16:52:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY LAST QUESTION.

IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE CHARTER, ANYTHING THAT WE

PROPOSE, AND IT HAS TO GO TO A BALLOT, WHAT IS THE DEADLINE

FOR THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS? OR DOES IT MATTER IF WE

POSTPONE IT?

I AM LOOKING HERE LIKE MAY 26th, LIKE A LIGHT WORKSHOP

DAY.

AT THE APRIL WORKSHOP IT'S VERY BUSY.

BUT WHAT ARE THE LEAD LINES THAT WE HAVE SO WE DON'T

POSTPONE IT TOO FAR THAT WE LOSE GETTING IT ON WHATEVER WE

CHANGE, IF WE CHANGE ANYTHING?

16:52:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A WORKSHOP MEETING IS NOT GOOD.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHARTER ISSUES.

A WORKSHOP DAY IS JUST NOT GOOD.

IT HAS TO BE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING.

THAT'S WHY PREVIOUSLY WE MOVED EVERYTHING OFF THE WORKSHOP

TO ONLY DEAL WITH THE CHARTER ISSUE.

I JUST THINK THE CHARTER IS TOO IMPORTANT TO TRY TO HAVE




OTHER THINGS, TO TRY TO RUSH.

WE DON'T NEED TO RUSH IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEAK

ON THAT AS WELL.

COUNCIL MEMBERS IDEAS AND SO FORTH AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT

THAT ON A WORKSHOP DAY UNLESS WE ARE SCRAPPING THE WORKSHOP

DAY.

16:53:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ON A TUESDAY, WE HAVE APRIL 12, WE HAVE

APRIL 19th, I BELIEVE.

16:53:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHOEVER IS COMING ON

BOARD GETTING THEM UP TO SPEED.

16:53:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAKE SURE WE SELECT THE BEST CANDIDATE.

16:53:32 >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S A GOOD POINT, MR. CHAIR.

16:53:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GET THEM UP TO SPEED REAL QUICKLY.

16:53:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, BUT YOU DO HAVE A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT

THE DEADLINES.

IF YOU WANT IT FOR THE NOVEMBER 8th GENERAL ELECTION IT

HAS TO BE AT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, THE DEADLINE FOR

FINAL APPROVAL AUGUST 23rd OF THIS YEAR 2022.

THEY NEED TIME TO SECURE TRANSLATION.

16:54:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PLENTY OF TIME, SIR.

16:54:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WANT IT FORTUNATE CITY ELECTION

THAT DEADLINE IS JANUARY 20th OF NEXT YEAR.

16:54:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PLENTY OF TIME.

MR. CARLSON.

16:54:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS.




A QUESTION AND A STATEMENT.

COULD WE JUST MOVE THE WORKSHOP ITEMS OFF MAY 26th AND

MOVE THEM TO FUTURE BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PUBLIC EXPECTS TO

SHOW UP ON THURSDAYS, IF WE CAN MOVE THAT.

WHY NOT?

I MEAN, IF YOU -- MAY 26th --

16:54:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
TOO FAR DOWN.

16:54:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD RATHER DO A SPECIAL CALL ON

TUESDAY IN APRIL, LIKE WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE

APPLICANTS COMING IN ON TUESDAY.

I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

16:54:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE A QUESTION OF COUNCIL.

BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE

FACILITATORS' AVAILABLE.

SO IF COUNCIL WOULD GIVE ME THEIR DRUTHERS, AND REMIND

COUNCIL THAT YOU DO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING SET FOR

THE APPOINTMENT, AND YOU ALSO HAVE A COMMENDATIONS ALREADY

SET ON A TUESDAY AS WELL.

SO IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL TUESDAY.

BUT IF YOU GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK AND

AVAILABLE DATES.

OR NOT AVAILABLE DATES, THEN WE COULD GIVE IT SOME

CONSIDERATION.

16:55:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE.

16:55:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
SHE DID RAISE THAT ISSUE AND THAT WOULD BE




ONE OF THE CONTROLLING FACTORS.

16:55:39 >> I MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE.

16:55:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, I KNOW IT'S

RATHER UNUSUAL, BUT IF COUNCIL WISHES TO CANCEL NEXT WEEK'S

WORKSHOP, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE MORNING FREE, AND YOU

WOULD HAVE THE NIGHT MEETING.

I KNOW IT'S SHORT NOTICE, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BEHOOVE YOU,

AND IT MIGHT BEHOOVE THE PROCESS.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE DISCUSSION I

HAD.

16:56:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SEVERAL DATES?

16:56:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IN FINDING THE DATE

IF THIS PERSON IS UNAVAILABLE THEN COME BACK NEXT WEEK.

16:56:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT MR.

SHELBY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE FACILITATOR, SEE WHAT DATES

ARE NOT AVAILABLE, AND THEN WE CAN EASE THE PROCESS OR MAKE

IT EASIER FOR US TO SELECT A DAY WHICH WE COULD DO BY NEXT

THURSDAY'S EVENING SESSION.

IS THAT CORRECT?

16:56:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S CORRECT.

16:56:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND WE'LL STILL MEET THE DEADLINE FOR

THE SUPERVISOR, AND WE ARE NOT KICKING IT FAR DOWN THE ROAD

WHERE THE PUBLIC THINKS THAT WE ARE HOARDING A TOPIC OR

ANYTHING NEGATIVE AND WE ARE STILL GETTING DOWN TO BUSINESS

WITH A FULL COUNCIL.




AND CANCEL --

16:56:44 >> DO THE THAT BY SEPARATE MOTION.

16:56:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO THAT'S MY MOTION THAT WE DIRECT MR.

SHELBY TO DO THOSE THINGS.

16:56:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIND OUT WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND COME

BACK -- IN THE MEANTIME, COUNCIL, INDIVIDUALLY, JUST GIVE IT

SOME THOUGHT, CHECK YOUR CALENDARS AND SEE WHAT WORKS BEST

FOR YOU.

16:57:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CARLSON.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

16:57:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEN THE SECOND MOTION IS TO CANCEL THE

9 A.M. WORKSHOP ON MARCH 24th.

16:57:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND ON THAT?

SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

16:57:24 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT.

YOU ALL MAY HAVE SEEN, WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING BUT

THE COMMENT BY THE MAYOR'S SPOKESPERSON YESTERDAY, TODAY IN

THE TIMES, I THINK IT WAS 40 OR SO YEARS THAT THERE WAS NO

MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER, AND THEN THE LAST COUNCIL,

WHICH WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS HERE, CREATED THE CHARTER REVIEW




COMMISSION, WHICH TWO OF US WERE ON IT, AND THE MEMBERS WHO

WERE HERE NOMINATED PEOPLE.

THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THEN RECOMMENDED A PROCESS

THAT THE VOTERS WENT ON AT LEAST EVERY TEN YEARS THERE WOULD

BE A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

I THINK THE MAYOR'S SPOKESPERSON SAID IN THE MEDIA THAT

GUDES AND I WERE TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS OF THE

CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

THE CHARTER ALSO SAYS THAT CITY COUNCIL, AS WE ARE

PROPOSING, CITY COUNCIL COULD MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS WE WANT ON

THE BALLOT.

IF NO CITY COUNCIL HAD DONE THAT BEFORE, THAT'S UP TO THEM,

BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT JUST BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL AT

THE TIME PUT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION EVERY TEN YEARS

DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE UPDATED.

THERE'S NO PROCESS TO CIRCUMVENT.

WE ARE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS.

AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

THE SECOND THING, THERE'S LIKE A CONSPIRACY THEORY GOING

AROUND I THINK STARTED BY THE LAST MAYOR, AND YOU ARE TRYING

TO TAKE AWAY THE STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

NO.

ONE OF YOU MAY PROPOSE THAT, BUT WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT

MAY BE TWEAKED JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME, ONE OF THE BASICS

THINGS WAS INSTEAD OF SAYING HE OR HIM, WE CHANGE IT TO HE,




SHE, ET CETERA, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CONFUSING,

LIKE THE LAST TIME ONE OF THE THINGS WE CLEANED UP BECAUSE

OF THE PROBLEM IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION WAS HOW LONG CAN A

NOMINEE BE INTERIM BEFORE -- BEFORE THEY HAVE TO BE

APPOINTED?

AND WE FIXED THAT PROBLEM.

BUT A NEW PROBLEM AROSE IS WHAT'S THE TITLE OF SOMEBODY WHO

HAS BEEN NOMINATED BUT NOT CONFIRMED?

AND I THINK IT'S WORTH US HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.

THAT'S NOT A POWER STRUGGLE WITH A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF

GOVERNMENT.

JUST CLARIFYING IT FOR THE PUBLIC.

AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER MINOR THINGS LIKE THAT I DON'T KNOW

WHAT YOU ALL WOULD PROPOSE.

BUT THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FIGHT WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE,

DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FIGHT WITH THE LAST MAYOR.

IT IS JUST A DISCUSSION TO CLEAR UP SOME LANGUAGE SO THAT WE

CAN AVOID CAUSING CONFLICT IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU.

16:59:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.

I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, AND PEOPLE

SAYING -- IN MY MIND SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, IT

SEEMS LIKE THE WRITING HAS CHANGED.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT I LOOK AT A LOT OF THINGS IN THE CHARTER,

SITTING HERE AS A COUNCILMAN, I SEE HOW THE LAST COUNCIL HAD




ISSUES BECAUSE THINGS ARE JUST NOT CUT AND DRY, CLEAR.

MR. SHELBY HAD SOME TIME TO MAKE AN INTERPRETATION AND WE

HAD A FIGHT WITH LEGAL.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME UP NOW THAT HAVE TO BE CRYSTAL

CLEAR.

I LOOK AT THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE NOMINEE RIGHT NOW.

THAT PERSON IS A NOMINEE.

THAT PERSON CANNOT MAKE ANY JUDICIAL DECISIONS OR WHATEVER.

17:00:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OR TAKE A SALARY.

17:00:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OR TAKE A SALARY.

THAT PERSON CANNOT GO AROUND TALKING TO THE SENATORS

REFERENCE TO A CONFIRMATION.

AND I THINK IT'S KIND OF OUT OF BALANCE THE WAY WE ARE DOING

THINGS.

AND IT'S JUST MY OPINION.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE HAVE

OUR CHARTER REVIEW DISCUSSION.

BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CLEANING UP A FEW THINGS.

NOT CHANGING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

JUST CLEANING SOME THINGS UP.

THE PUBLIC WANTS IT CLEAR AS WELL.

17:01:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL BE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, BUT IF

YOU ARE LOOKING AT JUST THE CHIEF, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL

OF THEM.

17:01:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OH, YES.




17:01:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND CAN'T GET A SALARY, THE WHOLE THING.

GOT TO REALIZE THE EFFECT, THE POSITIVES AND THE NEGATIVES.

THAT'S ALL.

17:01:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE.

ALL RIGHT, MR. SHELBY, ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU, SIR?

17:01:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.

THANK YOU.

17:01:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS REAL FAST IF I COULD.

SOME POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TOLD ME THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE

EXPENSES THAT THEY HAVE TO INCUR, THAT THEY WOULD RATHER NOT

PERSONALLY INCUR, WHEN THEY RESPOND TO -- WHAT DO YOU CALL

IT, A RESPONSE?

17:01:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN THEY GO OUT TO A CALL.

17:01:56 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO IF IT HAPPENS AS THEY ARE TRYING TO

RESPOND, THE CLOSEST PARKING SPACE IS A PRIVATELY OWNED

PARKING SPACE, AND THEY PARK THERE, IF THEY GET A TICKET FOR

THE PRIVATELY OWNED LOT OWNER, THEY HAVE TO PAY IT

PERSONALLY.

AND THE SAME THING, IF THEY --

17:02:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN A MARKED POLICE CAR?

17:02:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

AND IF THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES BY WHICH IF THEY ARE

RESPONDING WHEN THEY DRIVE THROUGH, A RED LIGHT CAMERA, THAT

THEY ALSO CAN GET TICKETS.




AND IT COULD BE IN BOTH CASES WE SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING OR

MAYBE WE SHOULD.

BUT ANYWAY --

17:02:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE NEVER HEARD, EVEN IF YOU GO THROUGH

THE TOLL, DIDN'T HAVE A TOLL PIECE, OR -- EVEN UNMARKED CARS

HAVE A SPECIAL STICKER, SO --

17:02:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO IN BOTH CASES, AND I CONFIRMED IT WITH

PBA THIS MORNING.

17:02:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.

17:02:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
IN BOTH CASE IT IS POLICE OFFICER HAS TO

PAY THOSE HIMSELF.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME UNLESS THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY BREAKING THE

LAW THAT THE CITY SHOULD REIMBURSE THEM.

17:03:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE CITY.

17:03:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF

TO REPORT BACK ON MAY 5th WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE OR

NECESSARY TO BE REIMBURSE POLICE OFFICERS FOR PRIVATE

PARKING TICKETS AND RED LIGHT CAMERA FINES INCURRED DURING

AN OFFICIAL RESPONSE.

17:03:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

17:03:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
MAY 5th.

IF IT TURNS OUT IT'S COVERED IN SOME WAY AND SOME POLICE

OFFICERS DIDN'T NOBODY ABOUT IT, FINE.




BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP.

SECOND, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION GOING ON ABOUT THE ALL

FOR TRANSPORTATION MONEY, AND SOUND LIKE THE CITY COULD GET

BACK FROM 80 TO 120 MILLION AFTER THE REFUNDS.

WE DON'T KNOW YET.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO REPORT TO

COUNCIL ON MAY 5th.

17:03:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.

17:04:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
TO RECEIVE -- SORRY, TO REPORT TO COUNCIL

ON MAY 5th AND RECEIVE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC INPUT AS TO

HOW TAMPA'S SHARE OF THE AFT MONEY SHOULD BE USED.

17:04:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND IF I CAN MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.

I THINK SUBSTANTIAL MONEY SHOULD BE USED FOR THE STREETCAR.

I GOT THE MAYOR'S SUPPORT ON THAT I'M SURE.

AND THE WEST TAMPA, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I.

SO THE PEOPLE LISTENING TO -- 50th STREET.

BUT I THINK A GOOD CHUNK SHOULD GO TO ROAD REPAVING BECAUSE

IT'S LONG OVERDUE AND THE REST SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO

EXTENDING THE STREET CAR OR SOME INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC

TRANSPORTATION.

17:04:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I CAN THROW IN MY REMARKS, SIDEWALKS,

HALF A MILE FROM SCHOOLS.

17:04:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO THE IDEA IS EVEN BEFORE THE MONEY COMES

IN, IF THE DECISION MAY NOT HAVE BEEN MADE BY MAY 5th,

LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION, HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, AND STAFF




AND CITY COUNCIL, TO WHAT OUR SUGGESTIONS ARE, ULTIMATELY WE

APPROVE THE BUDGET, SO LET'S GET OUR INPUT BEFORE THEY

DECIDE, INSTEAD OF US DECIDING ON A CONSENT AGENDA, LET'S

GET OUR FEEDBACK ON IT.

17:05:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MANISCALCO SECOND IT.

ALL IN FAVOR?

MOTION GRANTED.

MR. MANISCALCO.

17:05:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A FEW ITEMS TODAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO

EL GALLO DE ORO, WILL BE CLOSING HIS DOORS FOR THE LAST

TIME.

THE ICONIC RESTAURANT IN WEST TAMPA DECIDED TO MAKE A NEW

START IN THE NORTHERN OCALA AREA.

I THINK IT'S CHIEFLAND. IS THAT NEAR OCALA?

BUT I WOULD LIKE -- OKAY, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HONORING THEM

FOR ALL THEIR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND REACH OUT TO

THEM, AND I HAVE EVERYTHING WRITTEN DOWN FOR THE CLERK.

SO WE HAVE IT RIGHT.

AND THAT'S IT.

APRIL 12th.

HERE.

17:06:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECONDED.

SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

ALL IN FAVOR?




OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

17:06:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY

CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF COOKIE GARCIA WHO PASSED AWAY.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNEW HIM.

INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOREVER.

I KNEW HIM THROUGH YBOR CITY LION'S CLUB.

FROM BACK IN THE DAY, NOW LEVINE?

MY MOTHER TOLD ME AND THEN I GOT CONFIRMATION YESTERDAY OR

THE DAY BEFORE.

BUT GREAT INDIVIDUAL, INVOLVED WITH TAMPA BAY SPORTS CLUB.

HE WAS JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL ALUM OF THE YEAR.

JUST SO MANY THINGS.

AND A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL FRIEND TO ME AND A LOT OF PEOPLE

HERE.

MY CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY.

17:07:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY?

NORMA WAS DIVORCED FOR A LONG TIME BUT SHE LOVED HIM AND HE

WAS IN THE HOSPITAL AND OTHER THINGS, AND THEY HAD A GREAT

RELATIONSHIP.

SO CONDOLENCES.

17:07:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND THAT'S IT.

AND THE LAST ITEM IS REGARDING ALLIED SECURITY.

WE HAVE THE SECURITY FOLKS HERE DOWNSTAIRS AND THOSE WHO

HELP ON THE SECOND FLOOR.




BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALICE AT THE FRONT DESK AND ALEX

KNOWS WHO COMES IN AND OUT BUT THERE'S ALSO THE YOUNG LADY

WITH THE DARK HAIR WHO YOU SEE HAS BEEN WORKING THE SECOND

FLOOR, DONNA?

AND IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT SHE WAS BEING REASSIGNED

OUT OF CITY HALL, AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS TAKING HER PLACE.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

AND HER CONCERN, SHE LOVED WORKING HERE.

I THINK TODAY MAY BE HER LAST DAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN

DO IF WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE SUPERVISOR OR SOMEBODY IN

CHARGE OF ALLIED.

THE THING IS, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE HER WHO COMES IN

AND OUT OF CITY COUNCIL, CITY HALL, THEY BUILD RAPPORT WITH

THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF REGULAR SPEAKERS AND

WHATNOT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT

KNOW THE COMMUNITY, KNOW THE FACES COMING IN, AND THAT'S IT.

SO IT WILL BE MY RECOMMENDATION MAYBE TO JIM, WHO I KNOW HAS

BEEN COORDINATING AND WORKING WITH THE VIRTUAL SECOND FLOOR

AND ALL THAT, THAT WHATEVER WE CAN DO THAT SHE STAYS HERE

WITH US, I THINK SHOULD BE HERE, AND KEEP IT AS IS.

17:09:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.

17:09:11 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]

17:09:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE SEND A LETTER TO HIS OFFICE?

17:09:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHICH DEPARTMENT?

17:09:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHIEF OF STAFF.




MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT THE CHAIR'S OFFICE SEND A LETTER OF

SUPPORT, THAT WE KEEP DONNA HERE WITH US AT CITY HALL.

17:09:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

17:09:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S IT.

17:09:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

MR. CITRO.

17:09:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

WE HAVE ABBYE FEELEY AND CATE WELLS DISCUSSED SOME ITEMS

ABOUT CHAPTER 27 AT A WORKSHOP THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE.

AFTER THE INFORMATION THAT THEY GAVE US, WE TOOK NO ACTIONS

ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

BUT I HAVE MADE A MOTION THAT MS. FEELEY COME BACK AND

BRIEFLY, WE DISCUSSED THE ITEMS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

SINCE WE TOOK NO ACTION, THERE IS NO NEED FOR HER TO COME

BACK ON THAT DATE, AND I WANT TO RESCIND THAT MOTION.

17:10:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

17:10:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE IT WAS JUNE 23rd.

JUNE 23rd.

JUNE 23rd.

17:10:35 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]




17:10:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

OKAY.

MR. VIERA DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR US TODAY.

[ LAUGHTER ]

17:10:49 >>LUIS VIERA:
NOTHING CONTROVERSIAL.

YOU ALL MAY HAVE SEEN THE MEMORIAL OUTSIDE BY THE GROUP

REMEMBERING OUR FALLEN.

I WANT TO GIVE THEM A CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION HIGHLIGHTING

LOCAL SOLDIERS KILLED IN ACTION.

17:11:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

17:11:03 >>LUIS VIERA:
THEN I WAS CONTACTED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA

AUTISM FRIENDLY COMMITTEE, THAT THEY WANTED TO SPEAK BEFORE

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL FOR AUTISM AWARENESS MONTH, AND I THINK

ARE WE IN APRIL STILL DOING THE COMMENDATION WEEK?

17:11:20 >> ON THE 12th.

17:11:21 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, I WILL DO IT FOR THAT DAY.

17:11:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

OPPOSED?

MOTION GRANTED.

17:11:27 >>LUIS VIERA:
THEN LASTLY, SOMETHING I THOUGHT OF, I HAVE A




GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, SOME OF YOU ALL MET HIM, TIM REED WHO

HAS A VETERAN K-9 DOG WHO WAS IN AFGHANISTAN.

THE DOG HAD A LOT OF HEALTH PROBLEMS AND WHATNOT.

HE HAD TO KIND OF PAY FOR IT OUT OF POCKET.

EVEN THOUGH HIS DOG SAVED A LOT OF LIVES AND IT GOT ME

THINKING ON THE LOCAL LEVEL WHAT IS THE CITY OF TAMPA,

ESPECIALLY TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION

WITH ITS K-9 DOGS AFTER THEY ARE FINISHED, THEY ARE ADOPTED,

BUT WHAT DO THEY DO FOR THEIR LONG-TERM CARE?

17:12:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ONCE THEY ARE ADOPTED, A GOOD FAMILY, OR

THEY ARE ADOPTED.

17:12:11 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE.

AND CHAIRMAN GUDES, LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK

ABOUT SOME SORT OF A CITY PROGRAM TO HELP WITH THE

MAINTENANCE AND CARE OF THOSE K9 DOGS MANY OF WHOM HAVE

HEALTH CONDITIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE WORK THAT THEY DO

WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT?

SOME SORT OF A FUND OR SOMETHING?

17:12:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAYBE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SOMETHING.

17:12:35 >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT I WILL DO THEN, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY, I

WILL GET IT SET UP FOR THE FIRST WEEK IN MAY, IF I MAY, JUST

AS A WRITTEN REPORT, NO APPEARANCE.

THERE YOU GO.

17:12:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT THE MOTION WILL BE, IS IT CLEAR?

17:12:49 >>LUIS VIERA:
TO ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT ON WHETHER OR NOT




THERE IS ANY FUND FOR CARE AND ASSISTANCE OF TPD DOGS ONCE

THEY ARE ADOPTED.

17:13:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.

17:13:01 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]

17:13:09 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT A REPORT.

17:13:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

17:13:14 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF BE THEY GET WITH ME BEFORE AND IT

TURNS OUT IT'S A NONISSUE THEN I WILL WITHDRAW IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND GOOD MEETING TODAY.

IT WAS A HELL OF A MEETING.

THERE YOU GO.

HECK OF A JOB DONE.

17:13:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA?

17:13:28 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]

17:13:33 >>LUIS VIERA:
APRIL 12th.

YES, SIR.

17:13:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOTHING, SIR.

17:13:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AS YOU KNOW, WE GAVE VIVIAN HAWORTH A

COMMENDATION.

I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL TO GIVE IT TO HER.

I BELIEVE IN GIVING PEOPLE FLOWERS WHILE THEY ARE HERE.

SHE DID PASS AWAY.

SERVICES WILL BE AT NEW BETHEL BIBLE BAPTIST CHURCH, NORTH




BAY.

SATURDAY THE 19th AT 10 A.M.

THE WAKE WILL BE FRIDAY FROM 3 TO 8 P.M. AT THE WILSON

FUNERAL HOME.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE REFRESHMENTS 11:30 A.M. AT AL

BARNES PARK.

A LONG TIME ACTIVIST OUR COMMUNITY AND SHE FOUGHT A GOOD

FIGHT AND NOW HE'S TAKEN HER HOME.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRENT A COMMENDATION TO

OLATHA LEGGETT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CORNERSTONE KIDS AT

THEIR FUNDRAISER ON MARCH 31st, 2022 OFF-SITE.

17:14:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN GUDES.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

YES, SIR?

17:14:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT

COMMENDATION TO FAIR HOUSING CELEBRATION ON FAIR HOUSING

MONTH TO PRESENT AT THEIR EVENT ON APRIL 18th, 2022.

17:14:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN GUDES, SECOND FROM

MEMBER MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANYTHING ELSE?

17:15:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I LOOKED AT THIS PACKET.

I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING DEALING WITH THE HANNA DPR, I DON'T




KNOW IF RECEIVED BY THE CLERK, RECEIVED AND FILED, THIS

PACKET.

JUST PUT IT AS A RECEIVE AND FILE.

BUT MR. JOE ROBINSON DISTRIBUTED IT TO EVERYBODY.

17:15:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE

THIS ITEM FROM CHAIRMAN GUDES.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

17:15:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S IT, SIR.

MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

17:15:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
RECEIVE AND FILE.

ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.



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