CITY OF TAMPA
CRA MEETING
THURSDAY, APRIL 14, 2022
9:00 A.M.
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09:00:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MY NAME IS JOSEPH CITRO, AND I AM THE
CHAIR OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA HELD ON THIS DAY, THE 14TH DAY OF APRIL,
2022.
AND I WILL THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
WHO IS GIVING US THE INVOCATION?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:01:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MY HONOR AND PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO WELCOME PASTOR
KERRY NANCE.
A TAMPA POLICE CHAPLAIN SINCE 2005, MARRIED TO HIS WIFE
FOR 29 YEARS, AND COMING UP IN OCTOBER AND HAS THREE
WONDERFUL CHILDREN.
MY HONOR TO WELCOME THE PASTOR TO GIVE THE INVOCATION.
IF WE CAN PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:01:35 >> LET'S PRAY.
OUR FATHER, WE ARE THANKFUL TO BE HERE TODAY, AND WE
WANT TO JUST THANK YOU FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED.
AND, LORD, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SAFETY.
LORD, WE KNOW OF SO MANY ATROCITIES AND PROBLEMS AROUND
THE COUNTRY, AND, LORD, WE ARE JUST THANKFUL FOR YOUR
BLESSING AND YOUR HAND UPON US.
AND LORD, AS WE COME TO THIS DAY, GOD, I WILL ASK THAT
YOU WILL BLESS AND HELP OUR LEADERSHIP, THAT YOU WILL
GIVE THEM THE WISDOM, LORD, THAT THEY NEED.
BE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AS THEY OVERLOOK SO MANY AREAS
AND MAKE DECISIONS AND GIVE DIRECTION.
BE WITH THEIR HELPERS, THEIR AIDES.
LORD, AS THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP THEM.
LORD, I JUST PRAY THAT YOUR GRACE AND YOUR WISDOM WILL
BE UPON THEM.
I PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT,
THAT YOU WILL OVERSHADOW THOSE MEN AND WOMEN AS THEY
STAND ON THE FRONT LINES IN OUR FIRE AND RESCUE.
I PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR THAT YOU WILL HAVE YOUR HAND UPON
HER AND THAT YOU WILL GIVE HER WISDOM AS WELL.
LORD, WE ASK FOR YOUR CITY THAT YOU GIVE US SPECIAL
GRACE.
THAT YOU GIVE US DIRECTION.
FATHER, AS WE COME UPON THIS SESSION, MAY YOUR PRESENCE
BE HERE.
MAY YOU DIRECT IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.
LORD, AS WE COME UPON THIS WEEKEND, WE CAN'T HELP BUT
THINK OF YOUR GRACE UPON US.
AND WE THANK YOU, LORD.
I KNOW SO MANY CHURCHES IN TAMPA BAY WILL BE
CELEBRATING THE FACT THAT JESUS CHRIST CAME AND THAT HE
DIED FOR OUR SINS.
AND LORD, AS WE LOOK TO SUNDAY AND THINK OF THAT
RESURRECTION AND THE HOPE THAT YOU OFFER, WE THANK YOU
FOR THAT.
LORD, WE PRAY YOUR BLESSING IN ALL THAT IS DONE HERE
TODAY IN JESUS'S NAME.
EN.
09:03:24 >> AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:03:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL PLEASE.
09:03:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:03:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:03:44 >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:03:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:03:48 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:03:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M HERE.
09:03:52 >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:03:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. MASSEY.
09:03:58 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE CRA
BOARD.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
GENERALLY, PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES
PER SPEAKER.
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN EITHER ATTEND THE MEETING IN
PERSON HERE IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER LOCATE ON THIRD
FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD OR
VIRTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING BY USING
WHAT IS COMMONLY USED IN FLORIDA STATUTES AS
COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
IF THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF COMMUNICATION
MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT, THEY MUST PREREGISTER.
THE INSTRUCTIONS WAS IN THE NOTICE OF THAT MEETING.
AND THOSE ARE THE GENERAL RULES FOR -- FOR PUBLIC --
FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING.
09:04:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MISS VAN LOAN, DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO OUR AGENDA?
09:04:52 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, CRA BOARD
MEMBERS, MICHELLE VAN LOAN, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
DEPARTMENT.
YES, WE ARE ASKING THAT ITEM NUMBER 12 BE POSTPONED TO
THE MAY 12 CRA BOARD MEETING.
09:05:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
DO I HAVE A MOTION?
09:05:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR WHAT, ITEM 12 TO BE CONTINUED?
09:05:12 >>MICHELLE VAN LONE:
THE APPOINTMENT OF CAC MEMBERS
FOR THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, A COUPLE OF APPLICANTS THAT SUBMITTED
IT THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED. AND WE WANT TO GET ALL OF THEM
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INCLUDED IN THE VOTE FOR THE CRA BOARD
FOR THAT APPOINTMENT.
09:05:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT IT MAKE SURE THAT --
[INAUDIBLE]
09:05:28 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN NOTIFIED.
09:05:31 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, A MOTION TO
WAIVE NORMAL RULES.
09:05:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
EXCUSE ME.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
09:05:45 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:05:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION --
09:05:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 12 TO THE MAY
CRA MEETING.
09:05:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
MISS VAN LOAN, I BELIEVE I HAVE A NOTE HERE FOR REVISED
MEMO ON NUMBER 15?
OKAY.
WE WILL GET TO THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT.
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
I BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAVE OUR FIRST SPEAKER STANDING
THERE.
IF EVERYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING OUR PUBLIC
COMMENT COULD PLEASE FORM A LINE OVER TO MY LEFT, YOUR
RIGHT, AND WE WILL START WITH OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT
SPEAKER.
09:06:41 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN, CHAIR CITRO.
TAYLOR RALPH.
THE APPOINTMENT OF DOWNTOWN CRA COMMUNITY ADVISORY
COMMITTEE APPOINTEES.
LATER TODAY, YOU WILL HEAR FROM SHAWN BARWEDEN, WHO IS A
CONSULTANT WITH MY FIRM, REAL BUILDING CONSULTANTS.
I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHO HE IS.
HE IS A YOUNG KID WHO WENT TO SCHOOL HERE IN THE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
STUDIED HIS MASTERS IN URBAN AND REGIONAL PLANNING.
WORKING AT REHABILITATION AND SUSTAINABILITY AND
RESILIENCY FOR VERY LARGE PROJECTS FOR DOWNTOWN CHANNEL
DISTRICT, WATER STREET, UNIVERSITY WORK AS WELL AS A
LOT OF COMMUNITY WORK, INCLUDING PILOTING THE PARK LIT
PROGRAM.
HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONE OF RECENT TO DO THE PARK
LIGHTS.
THAT THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP THEN EVENTUALLY ROLLED
OUT THROUGH DOWNTOWN.
HE ALSO WORKS IN THE COMMUNITY GARDEN OF SULPHUR
SPRINGS AND HELPED DESIGN AND DEVELOP THAT WITH THE
YMCA.
OUTSTANDING CANDIDATE, HARD-WORKING, PASSIONATE,
UNDERSTANDS THE ISSUES OF DOWNTOWN AREA AND BUILDING
SUSTAINABLE AND HOPE YOU CONSIDER SHAWN BAREWEDEN FOR
THE DOWNTOWN CRA APPOINTMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:07:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. RALPH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:08:04 >> GOOD MORNING, BOB WHITMORE, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF CITY TREE, A CITIZENS ACTION GROUP.
YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT OLIGARCHY OVER THE LAST FEW
MONTHS.
IT MAY SURPRISE YOU NOT JUST A RUSSIAN PHENOMENON.
DEFINITION OF OLIGARCHY ACCORDING TO MR. WEBSTER, A
RICH BUSINESS LEADER WITH A GREAT DEAL OF POLITICAL
INFLUENCE.
THEY WORK BEST IN AN HYPOCRISY THAT YOU HAVE ONLY ONE
PERSON TO INFLUENCE AND OLIGARCHS DON'T DO SO GOOD.
TOO MANY PEOPLE TO PERSUADE.
TOO BIG OF A RISK THAT YOU PUT SOMEONE WHO WILL PUT
PRINCIPLES BEFORE PROFIT.
JOHN DINGFELDER WAS ONE OF THOSE MEN.
FOR THOSE WHO SAY JOHN DINGFELDER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED,
BUT SOMEHOW HE BROUGHT HIS TROUBLES UPON HIMSELF.
IN A WAY THEY ARE RIGHT.
BUT NOT BY DOING ANYTHING WRONG, BUT BY DOING THINGS
RIGHT.
BY ASKING THE HARD QUESTIONS, BY PUTTING HIS POSITION
AND PRIVILEGE ON THE LINE EVERY DAY, STANDING UP TO
THOSE WHO WILL TAKE NATURAL BEAUTY AND NEIGHBORHOOD
INTEGRITY AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE FOR THIS CITY FOR THE
SAKE OF PERSONAL PROFIT AND GAIN WITH LITTLE THOUGHT
GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA.
WE WILL NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO JOHN BECAUSE
OF THE GAG ORDER.
BUT THE ONE THING WE DO KNOW IN OUR GUT AND IN OUR
HEARTS IS WHAT HAPPENED WAS WRONG.
AND IT IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY.
BECAUSE OF THIS, WE, THE PEOPLE, HAVE STARTED A GO FUND
ME TO HELP JOHN PAY HIS LEGAL FEES.
YOU CAN GIVE AT GOFUNDME/DINGFELDER-DEFENSE-FUND.
GOFUNDME/DINGFELDER-DEFENSE-FUND.
RAISED 25,000 OF A $65,000 GOAL OVER THE LAST 23 DAYS.
WE WILL KEEP GOING UNTIL JOHN'S BILLS ARE PAID.
BECAUSE WHILE WE KNEW -- WHILE HE KNEW THERE WAS A
PRICE TO BE PAID FOR FIGHTING THE OLIGARCHS, PART OF
THAT PRICE SHOULDN'T BE $65,000 OF HIS OWN MONEY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:10:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. WHITMORE.
09:10:34 >> GOOD MORNING.
SHARE SOME INFORMATION THAT SHE WAS GOING TO HAND OUT
TO EACH OF YOU, CITY COUNCILMEN.
YES, COULD YOU PLEASE HAND THAT.
09:10:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. ADAMS, GO AHEAD.
09:10:57 >> MY NAME IS EDDIE ADAMS, JR., AND I RISE THIS MORNING
TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF A DISSERVICE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL
HAS DONE TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY PROBABLY SINCE ITS
BLACK COMMUNITY HAS BEEN HERE.
THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE LITERALLY OVERLOOKED THE
COMMUNITY AND DISRESPECTED THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT I -- WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A FINANCIAL
ASSESSMENT.
SO IF I ASK YOU HOW MUCH MONEY DO THE CITY OF TAMPA
SPEND WITH BLACK BUSINESSES IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA, YOU
WOULD FIND THAT IS LESS THAN 2% OF YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET
IS SPENT WITH BLACK BUSINESSES.
WHICH PRETTY MUCH MAKES -- MAKES YOU ARIZONA CITY
COUNCIL NOT RETURN NEARLY AS MUCH OF THE TAXES TO THE
BLACK COMMUNITY AS YOU TAKE.
SO IF THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS 24, 25% OF YOUR COMMUNITY
-- 24%, 25% OF THE TAXES YOU TAKE IN AND YOU RETURN
LESS THAN 2% TO THAT COMMUNITY, THAT MEANS YOU ARE
PRETTY MUCH DOING WHAT THIS NATION WAS STARTED ON.
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
YOU ARE NOT SPENDING MONEY BACK.
YOU ARE NOT CREATING BLACK MILLIONAIRES AND
BILLIONAIRES WHO SHOULD BE GETTING A PERCENTAGE OF THE
MONEY BACK IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY PAY IN TAXES.
IN THIS COMMUNITY YOU HAVE GOOD PLAYERS.
AIRPORT HAS MINORITY REQUIREMENTS ON EVERY ISSUE THEY
ISSUE.
TAMPA GENERAL WHICH IS THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF
YOU.
MOFFITT.
MOFFITT SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS LAST YEAR WITH THE
BLACK COMMUNITY.
AND THE CITY OF TAMPA, IF YOU WERE NOT LOOKING FOR IT,
YOU DON'T FIND IT.
USUALLY WHEN REPORTS LIKE THIS ARE GIVEN, YOU USUALLY
SAY, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW.
I AM GOING TO ASK YOU AND CONTINUE TO ASK TO YOU FIND
OUT HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY OF TAMPA ACTUALLY SPENDS
WITH BLACK BUSINESSES.
I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT MINORITIES BECAUSE WHAT YOU DO,
WELL, WE SPEND SO MUCH WITH WHITE WOMEN.
THAT IS THE LARGEST POPULATION IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT
SOMEHOW FOR FINANCIAL SPENDING AND REPORTS THEY BECOME
A MINORITY.
SO I AM MORE CONCERNED HOW MUCH -- YOU SAY WE CAN'T SAY
HOW MUCH WE SPEND WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
BUT YOU DEFINITELY CAN DO THE NUMBERS.
YOU CAN RUN THE NUMBERS, FIND OUT.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY DOING, YOU ARE MAKING IT
SUCH THAT WHATEVER NUMBER OF DOLLARS WOULD HAVE WENT TO
THIS COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T GET, BECAUSE YOU DON'T SPEND
WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
I MEAN THE 2% IS NEGLIGIBLE.
SO WHAT I AM ASKING IS FOR YOU TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE
FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE HISPANICS, ASIANS AND ALL THOSE
OTHER FOLKS.
I AM ASK YOU IF YOU CAN AT SOME POINT IN TIME TELL US
AS A COUNCIL THE CITY IS SPENDING FOR BLACK BUSINESSES
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:14:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. ADAMS.
09:14:08 >> HELLO.
09:14:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:14:10 >> GOOD MORNING.
DESPOT HDC QUEEN KING QUEEN VLADIMIR SIAM.
NOT SURE WHAT WE DID YESTERDAY -- TALKING ABOUT RUSSIA
AND UKRAINE AND STUFF.
YESTERDAY, WE DID A CEREMONY, RITUAL FOR UKRAINE, AND I
WILL READ IT OUT.
FOREVER REDEEM SET FOR THE INDEPENDENT AND THE
DEPENDENT COLLABORATION SOVEREIGN, SUB SOVEREIGN,
SPIRITUALITY, NOT RELIGION, FREE PEOPLE, NOT
CENSORSHIP.
SOVEREIGN WHITE GLOBAL AMERICAN KINGDOM, UNITED
NATIONS, SIAM, 13, AIM, NATO, UKRAINE, RUSSIA, IRISH,
SCOTTISH, ANCIENT AMERICAN.
BY MY DECREE, I HEARBY BREAK THE YOLK, FALSE BLINDNESS,
DUMBNESS, LOSTNESS, CAST IT AWAY NEVER TO RETURN AGAIN.
ABRACADABRA.
I ASK OF UKRAINE AND WE GOT IT DONE.
NOW AFRICA, YOU KEEP COMPLAINING OF THIS AND THAT.
LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN PAYING YOUR TAXES
TO THE EEU.
YOU BELONG TO THE EEU.
THAT IS YOUR WHOLE TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
AND IT IS UNFAIR FOR YOU TO KEEP COMING TO MY CITY HALL
TALKING ABOUT OH, THE BLACK PEOPLE THIS, THE BLACK
PEOPLE THAT.
I AIN'T HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT MY WHITE WOMEN.
THAT IS STUPID.
THAT IS -- NOW, YOU KNOW YOU BLACK OWNERS WANT TO TALK
ALL THAT JUNK.
RENT IS 5,000 A MONTH.
AS FAR AS GAS GO, $10.31.
AND THE CHEAPEST BILL AT A RESTAURANT IS $100.
TELL ABOUT HOW WE DON'T CARE WHEN WE PUT OUR LIVES ON
THE LINE FOR THE THAT DON'T CARE ENOUGH ABOUT NONE OF
US.
THANK YOU.
09:16:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:16:38 >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
JOHN DINGFELDER, 26%.
SPEAKING ON IT FOR YEARS.
GENTRIFICATION, HIGH RENT PRICES, HIGH HOUSING PRICES,
HOMEOWNERSHIP OUT OF REACH, GOVERNMENT OUT OF TOUCH
WITH GENERAL POPULATION, EDUCATION CONTROLS, WHITE
PEOPLE PROBLEM.
THOSE AREN'T BLACK PROBLEM.
THOSE AREN'T PROBLEMS THAT THE 26% OF THE COMMUNITY,
AND 14% OF BLACK POPULATION OF AMERICA.
WE AFRICANS HAVE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS.
OUR PROBLEM ARE SO FAR IN THE BACK BURNER MOST PEOPLE
DON'T SEE OUR PROBLEM AS BEING ON THE STOVE.
CRIME ISN'T A BLACK PROBLEM.
HOUSING ISN'T A BLACK PROBLEM.
WAR IN UKRAINE ISN'T A BLACK PROBLEM.
STEEL PRODUCTION IS NOT A BLACK PROBLEM.
SPACE EXPLORATION NOT A BLACK PROBLEM.
THE ONLY BLACK PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN UNDECLARED WAR
AGAINST AFRICANS INTERNATIONALLY, AND OUR PEOPLE ARE
UNAWARE OF THE ATROCITIES COMMIT AGAINST US OVER THEFT
OF OUR CONTINENT, SOCIAL, POLITICAL STRUCTURES, THEFT
OF OUR FINANCIAL, CULTURE, GENOCIDE, THEFT OF EXISTING
AND HOSTILE FORCE INTO SLAVERY, CAPITALISM,
NEOCOLONIALISM, VENTURE CAPITALISM, START-UP CAPITALISM
AND OTHER FORMS OF EXPLORATION TO KEEP AFRICANS 100%
DISPOSSESSED.
DID A SURVEY OR POLL OF THE BLACK POPULATION OF THE
WORLD, 99% OF BLACK PROBLEMS WILL LIST THE TEN MOST AS
WILL SMITH SLAP, TOM BRADY COMING OUT OF RETIREMENT,
NBA YOUNG BOY BEEFING WITH ONE ARE THE RIGHT TO SPEECH,
KANYE WEST AND KIM KARDASHIAN, IS LEBRON JAMES BETTER
THAN KOBE BRYANT.
HOUSEWIVES OF ATLANTA.
SOME ARE TALKING OF TUPAC VERSUS BIGGY NOWHERE BLACK
FREEDOM, BLACK POWER, MARCUS GARVEY, YEARS OF
OPPRESSION OF OURS.
WHITE PEOPLE HAVE IT SO TIGHT THAT HERE IN TAMPA
FLORIDA A $100 MILLION PROJECT IS IN PLAY AND OF THE
$26 MILLION WE AFRICANS WILL GET, WE OF THE DEAL, WE
GET NOTHING.
WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GOING WEST FOR 400 YEARS AND
GENTRIFICATION IS PARTS OF THEIR MOBILITY
TRANSFORMATION TAKING LAND FROM THE INDIGENOUS
POPULATION AND FORCING THEM OUT OF RESERVATIONS IS
BIGGER THAN PUTIN GIVING THE UKRAINIANS SIX-MONTH
NOTICE OF THE TANKS IN THE UKRAINIAN BORDER.
WE BLACK PEOPLE HAVE TO WAKE UP TO REALITY OF
CAPITALISM VERSUS REPARATIONS AND NUCLEAR WEAPON UNDER
OUR CONTROL OF THE BENEFITS OF AFRICANS AND AFRICANS
INTERNATIONALLY.
FREEDOM AND BLACK POWER AND REPARATIONS.
09:19:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS.
09:19:46 >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
WHEN I CAME ON APRIL 5 LAST TUESDAY, I CAME BECAUSE THE
PEOPLE SENT ME.
ORDINARILY, YOU COULDN'T HEAR THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE.
BUT I'M HERE TODAY TO CONTINUE THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE
AND CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, COUNCILWOMAN FOR YOUR
APPOINTMENT.
THE REASON WHY I CONTINUE TO COME IS BECAUSE OF THE
ONGOING NEGLIGENCE THAT EXISTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS OR MORE THIS COMMUNITY CONTINUED
TO LAY OUT THE ISSUES OF ECONOMIC FAIRNESS THAT DON'T
EXIST IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND ALTHOUGH THIS IS A CRA MEETING TODAY AND ISSUES OF
EAST TAMPA CONTINUE TO STAND UP FRONT AND CENTER, WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE MAIN ISSUES THAT WE CONTINUE TO RAISE
IN EAST TAMPA AS IT RELATES TO STABILIZING DIGNITY IN
HOUSING, IT DOESN'T APPEAR ON TO THE AGENDA.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT USING SOME OF THE RESOURCES THAT
IS CONNECTED TO THE CRA DOLLARS SO WE CAN HAVE A
MASSIVE INFUSION OF REHABILITATING HOUSING.
WE ARE TALKING GIVING YOUNG PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT
THEY DON'T SEE THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY ENDING AT 30
YEARS, BUT WE CAN USE THAT MONEY TO GENERATE FULL
EMPLOYMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT YET STILL, WHAT WE HAVE IS THE DUPLICATION OF
CREATING BUSINESSES AND LAND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL
GIVE NEW PEOPLE THAT IS MOVING INTO OUR COMMUNITY
BETTER OPPORTUNITIES.
IT IS TRUE GENTRIFICATION IS OCCURRING AND A LOT OF
TIMES YOU SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE MARKET, BUT
YOU NEED TO BE WATCHING INFLATION.
YOU NEED TO BE WATCHING THE FACT THAT THINGS THAT GO UP
SO HIGH TEND TO FALL DOWN.
WE NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FACT WE HAVE TWO
GENERATIONS OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE
BEEN -- THAT IS BUILDING THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY ON
HOPELESSNESS.
AND YET, WHEN WE DON'T SPEND THE MONEY TO FOSTER GOOD
WILL IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR
YOU TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM ANY OF THE OTHER
COMMUNITIES.
BUT WHEN HOUSING PRICES ARE SO OUT OF REACH FOR
WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT IS SHAMEFUL
AND FALLS ON YOUR SHOULDERS.
WHEN WE SEE $100 MILLION PROJECT COMING INSIDE OF EAST
TAMPA, AND YET THE CONSULTANT THAT IS BEING USED CAN
COME TO THIS COUNCIL AND TELL THAT YOU MONEY WAS SPENT
FOR A BAKERY AND A PRINTER.
AND YOU THINK THAT IS ENOUGH?
IT IS NOT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
WE ARE GOING TO KEEP ADVOCATING.
WE WILL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE TO THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU
SIGNED THAT YOU SAID YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE DISPARITY THAT
EXISTS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND YOU HAVE UNTIL YOUR NEXT ELECTION TO SHOW US THAT
YOU UNDERSTOOD AND YOU MADE CHANGES.
THANK YOU.
09:22:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MISS BURTON.
09:22:58 >> GOOD MORNING, KEELA MCCASKILL WITH THE CENTER OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE -- WELL, I WILL START OFF WITH EAST TAMPA
REQUEST.
SO MUCH HAPPENING IN THAT CRA IT HAD THE MOST MONEY
SINCE I FOLLOWED IT.
WE DON'T HAVE A STAFF -- AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE A STAFF TO SPEND MONEY AND EQUABLY
AND MAKING SURE WE MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DISTRICT.
RECENTLY THE CITY HIRED NICOLE TRAVIS, I BELIEVE HER
NAME IS.
AND SHE HAS A BACKGROUND THAT CAN DEFINITELY SUPPORT
THE MOVEMENT GOING FORWARD IN EAST TAMPA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF THE STAFF HAS THAT.
SO I WILL ASK IF IT IS POSSIBLE NOT SURE WHAT THAT WORK
CHART BUT SHE HAS A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROGRAM
AND PROCESSES AS THEY DEVELOP BECAUSE I AM AFRAID THAT
THEY MAY ATTEMPT TO ABUSE THE MONEY AND I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT NICOLE TRAVIS WITH THAT SKILL SET IS INVOLVED
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN EAST TAMPA.
THEN I WANT TO ALSO -- I KNOW I SENT AN E-MAIL BUT WANT
TO SEND THE INVITATION OF THE COMMUNITY CLEANUP.
PREVIOUSLY YOU ALL WERE INVOLVED AND PLAYED A ROLE IN
IMPROVING.
WE GO IN THROUGH THIS MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY AND HELP
SENIORS AND DISABLED PERSON OF CLEANUP.
YOU OFFERED OR EXTENDED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SOLID
WASTE TO PICK UP THE TRASH AND PARTICIPATE AS WELL.
IT IS A GOOD LOOK THAT GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN
EAST TAMPA AND YOU GET TO BE A PART IF YOU SIGN UP
APRIL 30.
I SENT YOU ALL AN E-MAIL.
09:24:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MISS MCCASKILL.
ANY OTHER SPEAKER IN CHAMBERS TODAY?
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?
THANK YOU.
MISS MICHELLE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON LINE?
I BELIEVE WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS.
09:25:00 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
MR. RANDOLPH, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES TO SPEAK.
09:25:09 >> GOOD MORNING, CRA COMMITTEE.
BEFORE I GET STARTED, I AM GOING TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO
HC OF THE WEST TAMPA CRA.
A STAND-UP GUY.
HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES HE BRING
THE SKILL SET BUT BRINGS THE PASSIONS TO EVERYBODY TO
MAKE SURE THEY ARE INCLUDED.
TODAY I AM COMING WITH TWO HATS.
FIRST IS NONPROFIT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE WEST.
AT THE NONPROFIT -- CENTER FOR THE NONPROFIT A NATIONAL
ORGANIZATION THAT IS IN 25 STATES AND BRING IN
TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO NONPROFITS.
TODAY, WE PROBABLY WORK WITH OVER 420 BUSINESSES THAT
GET STARTED THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
I COMMITTED TO WEST TAMPA RESIDENTS.
AND WE 40 DIFFERENT COMMITTEE MEETINGS TO DEAL WITH THE
ISSUE RELATED TO ROME YARD.
IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN.
WE BRING TO THE CAC.
AND STYLE POINT THAT WE BRING IN MICROSOFT MAP TO MAP
EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO MAP.
AND IF WE WANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
MAP FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, A SUMMARY OF WHAT
THAT COULD BE.
OTHER THING WOULD BE AND CALLED MARKET ANNAL HIS DATA.
SO WE CAN ANALYZE THE DAY AT THAT NECESSARY FOR
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND A MICROSOFT GRANT THAT WE CAN DRILL DOWN AND TELL
YOU EVERYBODY'S INCOME.
I CAN TELL YOU EVERYBODY'S INCOME ON A CITY CAMPUS AND
THE VALUE OF THAT.
THIS IS HOW THIS PARTICULAR SOFTWARE GOES.
WE ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR MOBILIZATION IN THE WEST
TAMPA COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE TEN COMMUNITY RESIDENTS.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING OF GENTRIFICATION.
HOW DO WE PLAN TO DEAL WITH GENTRIFICATION?
WE TALK OF BRINGING 120 NEW BUSINESSES FOR RESIDENTS IN
WEST TAMPA.
AND OVER 140 NEW JOB ARE CREATED.
NOW THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO, WE PLAN TO GO AFTER
$800,000 FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
TO PAY $800,000 AND COMES BACK TO TALK TO THE FACTS.
TO BRING ANOTHER $20 MILLION.
AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO DO GRANTS TO BRING IN $80
MILLION.
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS PROJECT WE CREATED
WITH A $80 MILLION ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO INVEST IN THE
WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK
BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU.
09:27:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
09:28:02 >>CLERK:
THANK YOU, NEXT SPEAKER IS MISS JEAN
STROHMEYER.
IF YOU HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES.
09:28:11 >> HELLO.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR?
09:28:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
09:28:20 >> MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, AND I DON'T GENERALLY
COME TO THESE CRAS -- BUT ANYWAY.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE AGENDA AND THE FIRST THING THAT
CAME TO MY HEAD -- THAT I SAW IS NUMBER 1.
AND HAS -- THAT NAME KIND OF STRUCK ME.
THAT NAME MARITZA ASTORQUIZA -- I AM NOT REALLY GOOD
WITH THAT, THE NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS THAT GINA
GRIMES OUR CITY ATTORNEY WAS TEXTING WITH DURING THE
LITIGATION AGAINST JOHN DINGFELDER.
I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF CONFLICT BUT
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE SOMEBODY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP THE
CITY IS IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE DEVELOPER S WHO
OVERRUNNING OUR CITY IN NOT A SMART WAY.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
BACK ON THE AGENDA, LET'S SEE, THE FERRY -- THERE WAS
-- THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THERE.
I THINK I BROUGHT THAT TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION SOMEHOW IN
THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING.
I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE BUT PIGGYBACK
ON THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE OF THE DINGFELDER MATTER.
AND I DO BELIEVE HE GOT RAILROADED AS MOST EVERYBODY
DOES.
SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.
AND WHEN YOU DO HAVE A BILLIONAIRE AND THE OLIGARCHS
COME IN THE CITY LIKE THE BLOOMBERG SITUATION.
Y'ALL SHOULDN'T VOTED FOR THAT.
WE NEED TO TURN THAT AROUND.
WE DIDN'T ELECT BLOOMBERG TO BE OUR MAYOR OR ELECT
BLOOMBERG CONSULTING TO SIT IN OUR CITY AND HAVE
MEETINGS WITH OUR PEOPLE.
WE DIDN'T ELECT OUR PEOPLE TO GO TO NEW YORK AND HAVE
MEETINGS.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ELECTED.
WE ELECTED YOU GUYS SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW.
WE ELECTED THE MAYOR SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW.
WE DID NOT ELECT BLOOMBERG AND THE CONSULTING.
SOMETHING FAR AND DEEP AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT AND I
GOING TO TELL YOU, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND
ALSO, THESE PEOPLE -- EVERYBODY IS TALKING OF THE
GOVERNMENT OWES THEM.
THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T OWE ANYBODY ANYTHING.
IF ANYBODY -- WE NEED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, BUT I WAS
TAUGHT TO NEVER WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
I WAS TAUGHT TO WORK FOR YOURSELF.
OUT OF EIGHT CHILDREN, MOST EVERYBODY IS SELF-EMPLOYED
AND MADE THEIR OWN WAY AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TRY TO
WORK HARD TO GET TO WHERE YOU NEED.
I LEARNED THAT FROM MR. GUCHARDO FROM WORK EXPERIENCE
IN LETO HIGH SCHOOL.
I LEARNED IT AT WEBB JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WHEN I WAS IN
WORK EXPERIENCE.
WORK FOR YOURSELF.
LEARN HOW TO INTERVIEW AND GET A JOB OR START YOUR OWN
BUSINESS.
THAT IS THE WAY TO GO.
NOT GOVERNMENT WITH HANDOUTS.
WE DON'T NEED THAT.
THANK YOU.
09:30:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS STROHMEYER, ARE YOU STILL THERE?
09:31:00 >> YES, I'M HERE.
09:31:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU WENT TO LETO.
09:31:05 >> I AM A LETO FALCON IN 1986.
09:31:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO FALCONS, THANK YOU.
09:31:09 >> ALL MY BROTHERS WENT THERE TOO.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW THEM.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT.
09:31:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
09:31:20 >>CLERK:
LAST SPEAKER, MISS FRAN TATE.
MISS TATE, IF YOU HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
09:31:26 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:31:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
09:31:28 >> OKAY.
I JUST ASK BECAUSE I HAVE A NEW HEADSET ON THIS
MORNING.
HAPPY THURSDAY TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
I AM FRAN TATE THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY CHAIR OF THE EAST
TAMPA PARTNERSHIP.
MEMBER LYNN HURTAK, WELCOME.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING FOR YOU IN EAST TAMPA.
AND SEEING YOU AT THE JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION APRIL MEETING.
COUNCILMAN JOHN DINGFELDER WAS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU FOR ACCEPTING OUR INVITATION.
THIS MORNING, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ITEMS 5 AND 11.
AS YOU STATED, MEMBER HURTAK, YOU ARE NEW TO THE CRA.
AND I AM NEW TO THE EAST TAMPA CRA ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY.
ITEM NUMBER 5 CAME OUT OF A RESULT OF FRUSTRATION FELT
BY THE CRA CHAIRS, PAST AND MYSELF CURRENT CAC CHAIR
AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
IT WAS STATED AT THE JANUARY 20 CRA MEETING THAT OUT OF
THREE CHAIRS IN FIVE YEARS COMING BEFORE THE CRA, WE
HAVE HAD THE SAME COMPLAINT AND CONCERNS WHICH WERE AND
WHICH ARE A LACK OF COMMUNICATION.
THE INABILITY TO MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD.
AND SLOW TO NO RESPONSE FROM CITY STAFF.
AN EXAMPLE IS THE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM APPROVED
BY YOU, THE CRA, IN JULY OF 2021.
AN RFP WAS SUBMITTED ALMOST A YEAR AGO WITH NO
EXPLANATION, NO UPDATE AS TO WHY THE PROGRAM IS NOT
MOVING FORWARD.
MY SENIORS AND VETERANS OF EAST TAMPA STILL HAVE TARPS
ON THEIR ROOFS.
WITH THE HURRICANE SEASON JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
ITEM NUMBER 11.
AS CHAIR OF THE CAC, I REQUEST TO REFER ITEM 11 BACK TO
THE CRA.
THE EAST TAMPA CRA HAS MORE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET THAN WE
HAVE EVER HAD.
AND WE WANT TO BE AND NEED TO BE MORE RESPONSIBLE WITH
THE PROJECTS THAT WE RECOMMEND.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE LEGALLY REVIEWED
AND APPROVED PROCESS FOR REVIEWING FUNDING REQUESTS IN
WEST TAMPA, IN THE WEST TAMPA CRA, BE REFERRED TO THE
EAST TAMPA CRA FOR REVIEW AND IMPLEMENTATION.
PLEASE REFER ITEM 11 BACK TO THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
CAC.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR JOINT MEETING ON THE 19TH OF THIS
MONTH.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY.
09:34:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO, MISS TATE.
09:34:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
09:34:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. CARLSON.
09:34:41 >>BILL CARLSON:
MISS TATE, ARE YOU STILL HERE?
09:34:41 >> YES, SIR.
09:34:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ASKED A MEMBER OF THE CAC ASKING US
TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
DID THE CAC VOTE AND HOW DID THE VOTE GO?
09:34:56 >> THE CAC VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU --
09:34:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK FOR
FURTHER DISCUSSION?
09:35:04 >> YES, SIR, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS IN ORDER
JUST AS WEST TAMPA CRA DOES.
WE WANT TO BE EXTREMELY RESPONSIBLE OF OUR MONIES.
AND TO JUST VOTE BLINDLY WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF
APPLICATION OR PROCESS IN ORDER IS BEING A LITTLE BIT
IRRESPONSIBLE, IN MY OPINION.
WE WANT TO REVIEW THE WEST TAMPA CRA PROCESS AND ADOPT
THAT PROCESS.
BECAUSE IT IS ONLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
09:35:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
09:35:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:35:44 >> WAS THAT IT?
09:35:46 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL.
09:35:46 >> YES, MA'AM.
09:35:52 >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THE APPLICATION PROCESS IN LIKE WEST
TAMPA.
WHEN YOU DISCUSSED THIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY PAPERWORK?
I DIDN'T FIND ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROGRAM.
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE GOING BACK TO TALK MORE ABOUT?
I DIDN'T SEE SITE PLANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
09:36:14 >> WE HAVE -- WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION.
I FEEL AS A CHAIR IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF
A PROCESS IN ORDER.
WEST TAMPA HAS AT MODEL FOR IT.
GIVE US A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE WEST TAMPA MODEL SO WE
ARE NOT BLINDLY HANDING OUT OUR DOLLARS THAT WE ARE
RESPONSIBLE WITH TO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THE FLOODGATE IS OPEN NOW.
I WAS JUST ON A ZOOM ON MONDAY WITH ANOTHER
ORGANIZATION ASKING FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FUND
THEIR PROJECT.
HOW DO WE SHOW RESPONSIBILITY IF WE ARE JUST APPROVING
AND WRITING CHECKS TO WHOEVER, HOWEVER, AND WHENEVER.
WE GOT TO GET MORE ORGANIZED IN EAST TAMPA.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE JUST NOT THERE.
WE ARE JUST NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN OUR CRA, BUT WE
WANT TO BE THERE.
WEST TAMPA, WE SEE THEM AS A MODEL.
AND WE WANT TO BE A MODEL AS WELL.
09:37:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU FINISHED?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:37:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WHEN YOU TALK OF
EAST TAMPA AND YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER CRAS AND
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, EAST TAMPA
NOW HAS -- THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO YOU CAN SAY NO TO
SUBJECT MATTER.
I THINK THAT IS WHY YOU CAN DISCOVER IT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO NOW KNOW ABOUT ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
THEY KNOW ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND PROGRAMMING.
BEFORE WE HAD A LOT OF OUR SENIORS ON OUR BOARDS VERSUS
EAST TAMPA FIRST.
WITH THAT PARTNERSHIP, WHEN YOU HAD A DIANA HART AND
MR. KENZIE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE WHEN EAST TAMPA
JUMPED UP AND A BIG ROADBLOCK AND NO MONEY FOR A LONG
TIME.
AND NOW THERE IS MONEY AND PEOPLE WENT AWAY AND PEOPLE
ARE COMING BACK NOW INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT EAST
TAMPA FLOURISHES.
PEOPLE GO ASKING FOR MONEY AND MONEY THAT DOESN'T FIT
INTO WHAT THE CRA IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
THAT IS WHY PEOPLE NOW ARE QUESTIONING -- I GOT A CALL
OF SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT I WAS TAKEN ABACK AS WELL.
AND I WAS LIKE, A PROCESS.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
SOMETHING THE COUNCIL -- CRA BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK AT.
I KNOW THE FRUSTRATION BECAUSE I HAVE SAT ON THAT
BOARD.
AND THE FRUSTRATION WITH MANY IS THAT THINGS ARE PUT
OUT THERE, BUT IT TAKES FOREVER FOR THEM TO COME BACK
AND GET IMPLEMENTED.
AND THE QUESTION IS, WHY?
VERSUS IF -- IF ADMINISTRATION WANTS SOMETHING MOVED,
IT IS MOVED, BUT THE EAST TAMPA FOLKS FEEL LIKE WHEN
THEY PUT AN IDEA TO FOSTER THE PEOPLE, THINGS ARE --
THERE ARE ROADBLOCKS.
MAY NOT BE TRUE.
I DON'T KNOW.
I SAT THERE AND FELT THAT WAY BEFORE AND THERE IS A
PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT I THINK THE -- FOR ME,
EAST TAMPA FEELS THAT THEY NEED TO BE BUMPED UP AND
WHATEVER PROCESS IN PLACE THEY NEED TO BE MOVED TO THE
HEAD OF THE LINE SO THEY CAN START SEEING SOME OF THE
GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR EAST TAMPA.
WE TALK ABOUT THAT REHAB FROM DAY ONE.
WHEN I WAS ON THE CAC IN 2019.
I TALKED ABOUT ROOF TARPS.
SLOWING DOWN TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SMALL PROGRAMS AND
GRANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FOLKS GET WHAT THEY NEED
TO REMODEL AND REHAB THEIR HOUSES.
MOVING FORWARD, I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE
ROADBLOCKS OUT OF THE WAY AND EAST TAMPA GOES TO THE
HEAD OF THE LINE INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE BACK OF THE
LINE AND HAVE A EFFORT ON EAST TAMPA IN ALL FRONTS.
I DO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEIR FRUSTRATIONS.
09:40:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
I CAN ONLY SPEAK WITH MY TIME FROM THE YBOR CRA.
AND I HAVE SAT IN MANY DIFFERENT CRA-CAC MEETINGS FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT AND OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T VOTED ON.
AND THE PROCEDURES I HAVE SEEN IN THESE OTHER CACS,
CRAS IS THE COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER, TALKS TO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS TAKE IT FORWARD TO THE CAC.
IT IS VOTED ON BY THE CAC, AND THEN THE PROJECTS COME
TO THE CRA BOARD.
AND I AM HOPING WE CAN HAVE MORE COHESIVENESS BETWEEN
CRAS AND THE COMMUNITY ADVISES THE COMMITTEES AND
THINGS ARE VOTED ON AT THE CAC MEMBERS -- BY THE CAC
MEMBERS AND THEN PRESENTED TO THE CRA BOARD.
MISS TATE, ARE YOU STILL THERE?
09:41:16 >> YES, SIR, I AM STILL HERE.
09:41:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MISS TATE, FOR YOUR COMMENTS
TODAY.
09:41:23 >> THANK YOU FOR RECEIVING ME EVERYONE.
09:41:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE?
OKAY.
MISS VAN LOAN.
09:41:34 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
GOOD MORNING, MICHELLE VAN LOAN,
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER THIS MORNING IS MARITZA ASTORQUIZA,
WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THE DREW PARK CAC TO GIVE HER
MONTHLY REPORT.
IT HAS BEEN SEVEN MONTHS SINCE DREW PARK HAD REPORTED.
09:41:54 >>MARIA ASTORQUIZA:
GOOD MORNING.
09:41:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:41:57 >>MARIA ASTORQUIZA:
HOW ARE YOU TODAY.
I'M HERE VERY PROUDLY TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON
IN DREW PARK.
AND IT IS A LOT.
I AM USING A CHEAT SHEET THIS TIME.
WE HAD VOTED ON BRINGING IN A CONSULTANT TO HELP US
WITH OUR PARKS PROJECT AND STAFF THROUGH ALL THEIR
PROCESSES PLACEMAKER DESIGN WAS CHOSEN.
DESIGNER --
09:42:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR THE RECORD GIVE YOUR NAME.
09:42:23 >> I DID NOT GIVE MY NAME?
MARITZA ASTORQUIZA, DREW PARK CRA CHAIR.
SO WE HAVE PLACE MAKER DESIGN STUDIO.
THEY CAME TO TALK TO US AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THEY
HAVE.
THEY WILL BE GATHERING SOME DATA AND HELPING US WITH
THE NEXT PHASE OF THE LINEAR PARK THAT WE HAVE ON TAMPA
BAY BOULEVARD, AS WELL AS THE NEW CONCEPT OF -- OF A
NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN DREW PARK.
AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ON HUBERT AVENUE.
THIS PROJECT STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THROUGH
AIRPORT EXPANSION, WE LOST HUNTS PARK.
AND THEN WE GOT IN AL LOPEZ PARK, CORDELIA PARK CENTER
BUT THE RESIDENTS IN DREW PARK WERE NOT ABLE TO ACCESS
THE CHILDREN'S -- ACROSS DALE MABRY.
ALWAYS ON OUR RADAR TO HAVE A PARK REPLACE THE PARK WE
LOST.
WE HAVE A LINEAR PARK.
IT NEEDS TO LITTLE BIT -- GOING INTO PHASE TWO, FOR IT
DEVELOPED MORE.
BEAUTIFUL SPACE AND PRESERVED GREEN SPACES IS WONDERFUL
AND NOW A POCKET PARK, I WOULD SAY IS PROBABLY A BETTER
TERM FOR THAT.
A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK FOR THE KIDS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD
CHILDREN AND PARENTS AND FAMILIES TO ENJOY.
WE DO WANT TO, IF POSSIBLE, PRESERVE SOME HISTORICAL
VALUE BECAUSE WE ARE VERY PROUD OF OUR HISTORICAL --
HISTORY.
OUR MILITARY HISTORY IN DREW PARK.
IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL PROJECT.
AND WE ARE ALL VERY EXCITED TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
I THINK THAT WILL BE A GREAT ENHANCEMENT FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE ARE ALSO GOING THROUGH -- WE VOTED TO HIRE A
LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR LOIS AND GRADY.
AN OVERALL OF LOIS AND GRADY AND IT IS BEAUTIFUL AND SO
MUCH WENT INTO IT, BUT NOW WE ARE AT A POINT TO SEE HOW
IS IT BEING MAINTAINED.
ARE THERE SAFETY ISSUES NOW THAT THE DESIGN NEEDS TO BE
CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT AS WELL.
SIDEWALK PARK, IMPROVEMENTS.
WE VOTED TO HIRE A MULTIDISCIPLINARY FIRM TO LOOK AT
THE SIDEWALK PROGRAMS, THE GAPS, WE DO HAVE GAP,
IDENTIFIED PARKING AREAS.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING SITUATIONS IN DREW
PARK.
IMPROVEMENTS, SAFETY MOBILITY.
WE ARE A COMMUNITY WHERE IT IS A LOT OF COMMERCE AND
INDUSTRY.
AND WE ARE CO-EXISTING WITH VERY BUILT, YOU KNOW LINED
RESIDENTIAL AREA.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENT AT THE SAME
TIME.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WALKING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCE.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF BIG TRUCKS.
AND AIR CARGO ROAD WHICH HAS BEEN A GREAT ENHANCEMENT,
WE ALSO HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT GOES IN AND OUT OF
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HAVE
BEFORE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, YOU KNOW.
THAT'S WHERE OUR FOCUS IS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ENHANCE
PARKING, SIDEWALKS, MOBILITY AND SAFETY.
SO GOOD NEWS IS, WE HAVE PROPERTY 4221 NORTH COOLIDGE
AND 442 HUBERT AVENUE.
MANY YEARS AGO WE ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY TO HAVE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND NOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
SO WE WILL REVIEW A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TO SEND OUT TO
DEVELOPERS.
IT WILL GO DOWN ITS PROCESS AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO
ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL WE SET FOR MANY YEARS AGO WHEN WE
ACQUIRED THESE PROPERTIES.
SO THAT IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT IS GOING ON IN DREW
PARK.
A LOT GOING ON IN DREW PARK.
WE REALLY ARE MOVING THINGS FORWARD.
WE ARE VERY ORGANIZED.
WE MEET.
WE NOW MEET BACK AGAIN AT DISTRICT 1 IN TPD.
HOLDING REGULAR MEETINGS AND MOVING THINGS FORWARD, AS
YOU CAN SEE.
WE ALSO ARE WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TO
SEE IF WE ARE -- ANY FUTURE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE WOULD
LIKE TO HAVE TO BETTER THE LIVING CONDITIONS OR THE
SAFETY CONDITIONS IN DREW PARK.
WE HAVE -- IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A
PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MANY
YEARS AGO THAT WAS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL WITH CLEANING
UP ILLEGAL ADULT BUSINESSES THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
EXISTING.
AND THERE WAS A BIG PROJECT.
AND ACTUALLY THE CRA RECEIVED AN AWARD FOR IT, A STATE
AWARD.
IT WAS VERY UNIQUE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY AN ADDITIONAL
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE TO
INCREASE THE SAFETY IN DREW PARK.
WE ALSO WANT TO IMPROVE OUR GATEWAYS.
OTHER GATEWAYS INTO DREW PARK.
IDENTIFY THAT WE ARE HERE.
DREW PARK IS A LONGSTANDING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF
MILITARY HISTORY, A LOT OF PRIDE, A LOT OF WONDERFUL
HISTORY IN DREW PARK AND WANT TO PRESERVE AS WE GO
FORWARD AND NOT FORGET OUR HISTORY.
ANY QUESTIONS?
09:47:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
09:47:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO THANK MARITZA
ASTORQUIZA AND HER BOARD AND CRA IN DREW PARK.
AS YOU WELL KNOW, YOU MENTIONED LOIS AVENUE AND GRADY.
AT ONE TIME IT WAS A MISERABLE PLACE TO DRIVE ON AND
LOOK AT, THROUGH YOUR EFFORTS AND THE CITY'S EFFORTS
COMBINED, WE GOT MONEY FROM THE GRANTS MONEY AND YOUR
TAX MONEY.
AND LOIS AVENUE AND GRADY LOOKS REALLY, REALLY NICE
COMPARED TO HOW IT WAS AND LOOKING BETTER EVERY DAY;
HOWEVER, A LOT OF BUSINESSES -- NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT
UPGRADED WHEN THEY SAW THE UPGRADE YOU PUT YOUR HARD
DOLLARS INTO.
AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
THEY STILL NEED SOME VISUAL -- PEOPLE, I ALWAYS SAY
PEOPLE EAT WITH THEIR MOUTH BUT TASTE WITH THEIR EYES
BECAUSE WHAT THEY SEE IS HOW THEY FEEL.
WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, IT NEEDS A LITTLE TREE
EVIDENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND.
I AM NOT AN ARBORIST.
BUT I AM GLAD YOU ARE DOING THAT.
AND ON TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD WHEN YOU TRAVEL AND YOU GO
HEADING WEST TO CARGO ROAD AND GO CARGO ROAD, THERE IS
A BIG DEVELOPMENT COMING ON THE CORNER OF CARGO ROAD
BETWEEN OSBOURNE AND HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE ON THE WEST
SIDE OF CARGO ROAD.
THAT WILL BE A COMPANY WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING
THERE, AM I CORRECT?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COMING THERE AND I READ IT IN THE
PAPER A YEAR AGO AND FRUITION OF THE WHOLE THING BEING
CONVERTED.
ALL KIND OF EQUIPMENT GETTING THE LAND READY TO BUILD
SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB MOVING
THE CONCRETE OUT, MILLING IT, USING IT MORE LIKELY FOR
CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES LATER ON.
A CHANGING AREA AND THROUGH YOUR EFFORTS AND YOUR
COMMITTEE AND YOURSELF AND ALL THOSE INVOLVED, IT HAS
CHANGED FOR THE BETTER AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
YOUR PARK THAT YOU HAVE, THE TRAIL, THAT IS AROUND
WHERE THE OLD PRINTING PRESS USED TO BE AND A U-HAUL
TYPE COMPANY AND I FORGET THE NAME RIGHT NOW AND ALL
THAT AND HCC WENT AND BUILT ALL THE APARTMENTS ON LOIS
AND THE ROUNDABOUT THAT STARTED A LOT -- SPURRING
PEOPLE TO MOVE BACK.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS EXACTLY
WHAT WHICH NEED.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND EVERYONE AT DREW PARK.
09:50:12 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:50:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID.
THERE FOR A WHILE, THE DREW PARK CRA-CAC WAS A LITTLE
ROCKY.
AND I AM THANKFUL THAT IT HAS COME BACK.
THE PROCESS IN WHICH YOU MENTIONED YOUR SEVERAL
PROJECTS, THE PARK AND OTHER THINGS.
IT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LISTENING TO THE
COMMUNITY.
09:50:39 >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:50:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOING TO THE COMMITTEES.
09:50:42 >>MARIA ASTORQUIZA:
ABSOLUTELY.
09:50:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMING TO THE RECOMMENDATION.
09:50:47 >>MARIA ASTORQUIZA:
ABSOLUTELY.
09:50:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE CAC VOTING ON IT AND PRESENTING IT
TO THE CRA BOARD.
09:50:55 >>MARIA ASTORQUIZA:
ABSOLUTELY.
09:50:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COHESIVENESS OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
DREW PARK CAC CRA BROUGHT IT TO FRUITION.
09:51:07 >>MARIA ASTORQUIZA:
ABSOLUTELY.
THE PROJECTS YOU HEAR ARE A PROCESS OF ONGOING
PROCESSES.
DIDN'T JUST POP UP LAST MONTH OR A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AN OLD CRA, THE FIRST ONE IN EAST TAMPA.
MAY BE WRONG.
PLEASE CORRECT ME.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE RADAR FOR A
WHILE AND MATURING.
OTHERS MOVE FORWARD AND THESE -- SO NOT JUST SOMETHING
THAT POPPED OUT OF THE AIR.
WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS
AND EVENTUALLY YOU GET TO AS MUCH AS YOU CAN GET TO.
I THINK THEY ARE GREAT PROJECTS.
09:51:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR CAC
MEMBERS AND -- COUNCILMAN GUDES, DO YOU WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING?
09:51:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GLAD THAT DREW PARK IS MEETING
NOW AND THEY ARE ON TRACK.
LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
MR. CITRO TALKS OF PROCESS.
AND -- I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD OFFENDED, BUT I AM
OFFENDED.
EAST TAMPA IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER CRAS.
THEIR ISSUES ARE MUCH MORE DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER CRA
THAT WE HAVE.
YES, THERE ARE PROCESSES, BUT A LOT OF TIME DURING THE
PROCESSES, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE PROCESSES.
THEY DON'T KNOW.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND.
A TEACHING MECHANISM THAT HAS TO BE IN PLACE FOR EAST
TAMPA BECAUSE A LOT OF TRANSITION THAT COMES THROUGH
FOR THOSE BOARDS AND THOSE COMMITTEES.
THEY JUST STARTED TO FORM COMMITTEES, TO HAVE STRONG
PEOPLE ON COMMITTEES.
AND WE ARE TALKING OF THE PROCESS.
YES, A PROCESS MR. CITRO AND SOMETHING THAT MR. MCCRAY
AND MISS VAN LOAN CAN WORK THOSE PROCESSES DEALING WITH
THE CITIZENS OF EAST TAMPA, THE COMMITTEE AND BOARD AND
THIS BOARD HERE.
THERE IS A PROCESS BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT HAS BEEN A LONG
TIME AND EAST TAMPA HAVEN'T HAD THAT PROCESS TO KNOW
WHAT THE PROCESS IS ABOUT.
I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUE.
I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU ARE DOING IN DREW PARK AND
THE PROCESS IS WORKING IN DREW PARK BECAUSE I THINK
YOUR BOARD IS A LITTLE SMALLER THAN EAST TAMPA.
EAST TAMPA IS MORE UNIQUE BECAUSE IT HAS A PARTNERSHIP
AND ALL THE THESE OTHER DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
I THINK THAT IS A PROBLEM WITH OUR PROCESS.
HOPEFULLY TO GET ON TRACK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
THANK YOU.
09:53:21 >> I LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I KNOW MUCH ABOUT EAST TAMPA RIGHT NOW, BUT I WILL TELL
THAT YOU THE STRENGTH AND THE SPIRIT OF EAST TAMPA HAD
WHEN THE CRAS STARTED AND COMMENCED REALLY HELPED TO
INSPIRE US.
IN DREW PARK.
I DO REMEMBER THAT.
MAYBE I AM DATING MYSELF, BUT THAT WAS 10, 11, 12 YEARS
AGO.
09:53:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STRONG LEADERS BACK THEN, THANK YOU.
09:53:51 >>MARIA ASTORQUIZA:
I DO REMEMBER THAT AND I REMEMBER
HELPING TO START THE CRA IN DREW PARK AND EAST TAMPA.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EAST TAMPA MOTIVATED US.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER DISCUSSION, BUT I
JUST WANTED -- SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
I DID WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL -- TO SAY
THAT IT DID PROVIDE LEADERSHIP AND ACTUALLY MOTIVATION
FOR US.
SO ANYTHING ELSE?
09:54:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, PLEASE THANK YOUR -- YOUR CAC
MEMBERS, YOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK
IN THIS.
09:54:22 >>MARIA ASTORQUIZA:
ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU.
PERSONAL NOTE, I HAVE NO COMMENTS WHAT WAS MADE DURING
THE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY.
ABSOLUTELY ZERO.
MY NAME WAS MENTIONED AND I AM NOT SURE WHY.
HONESTLY NOTHING.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
09:54:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:54:46 >> GOOD MORNING, CRA BOARD, ROB ROSNER, DIRECTOR OF
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 2.
WE ARE HERE FOR THE H M FERRIES FOR THE PROJECT THAT
THEY HAVE.
MY PLEASURE TO WELCOME AND INTRODUCE MR. ED TURANCHIK
WHO IS AN ADVOCATE AND FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND
HERE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THOSE PROCEEDINGS.
MR. TURANCHIK.
09:55:12 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:55:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:55:16 >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
CONGRATULATIONS.
MY MOM ALWAYS SAID, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.
BUT VERY PLEASED THAT YOU HAVE JOINED COUNCIL.
HOW DO I RUN THE PRESENTATION?
09:55:29 >> JUST ASK THEM TO BRING IT UP.
09:55:30 >> CAN YOU BRING UP THE PRESENTATION.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING HMS FERRIES AND DEVELOPMENT GROUP
WHICH IS PART OF AT PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
MY NAME IS ED TURANCHIK.
WITH ME IS DANA MCDONALD.
SHE IS THE COUNTY SIDE OF THE PROJECT.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL THAT YOU THIS YEAR HAS BEEN
EXCEPTIONAL.
WE HIT RIDERSHIP RECORDS PRECOVID THIS LAST WEEKEND.
WE HAVE A REVENUE RECORD THIS YEAR.
AND BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL AND OTHER GOVERNMENTS INVESTED
IN CONTINUING SERVICE, WE SCORED A $5 MILLION GRANT FOR
OUR OWN FERRY.
THE PROJECT IS GOING EXCEPTIONALLY WELL AND PROVIDE AN
OVERVIEW OF THE BIG PICTURE AND THE CROSS BAY FERRY
BECAUSE ALL PART OF THE SAME PARCEL.
BUT THIS HAS BEEN AN EXCEPTIONAL YEAR.
AND MISS MCDONALD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I WILL TRY TO DO THIS IN TEN MINUTES.
YOU HAVE THE POWERPOINT AND I WILL GO THROUGH THIS
PRETTY QUICKLY.
NEXT.
09:56:41 >> A CLICKER RIGHT THERE.
09:56:42 >> THANKS, THANK YOU.
AS I MENTIONED THIS IS A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP
BETWEEN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, HMS FERRIES, SOUTHWELL
DEVELOPMENT GROUP THROUGH ENGINEERING RECORD IS
KIMLEY-HORN.
LET'S SEE.
IT'S HARD TO SEE WITH THE WORDS GOING OVER IT.
THE -- SO THIS PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE
2014.
THE CROSS BAY FERRY SEASONAL SERVICE IN PLACE BY 2016.
THE CITY OF ST. PETERSBURG TOOK THE LEAD AND STOOD UP
SEASONAL SERVICE RUNNING BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES.
IT USES A CHARTERED VESSEL OUT OF BOSTON.
AND THE PREDOMINANT COST OF THE SEASONAL SERVICE IS FOR
THAT CHARTER VESSEL.
IT COMES DOWN.
IT HAS ITS OWN CREW.
THE CREW GOES BACK AND FORTH.
IF WE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT, HAD OUR OWN VESSEL,
THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR ONGOING OPERATING SUBSIDIES
FOR ANYONE TO RUN THIS SERVICE BECAUSE HMS WOULD HAVE
TO RUN THIS RISK.
THE GRANT THAT CAME OUT WAS ONLY FOR EXISTING SERVICE.
AND BECAUSE THE CROSS BAY FERRY SERVICE CONTINUED TO
RUN, WE WERE ABLE TO COMPETE.
THE PERMANENT PLAN IS TO RUN -- HAVE FOUR VESSELS WITH
THE VESSELS BETWEEN SOUTH COUNTY AND MACDILL AIR FORCE
BASE.
THAT IS HUGE FOR CITY STREETS BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY CAN ADJUST THE ROADWAYS IN SOUTH
TAMPA OFF OF THOSE.
SO BY DAY, THE VESSELS GO BACK AND FORTH.
IN THE EVENING, THAT FLEET OF VESSELS RUNS BETWEEN
DOWNTOWN TAMPA, DOWNTOWN ST. PETERSBURG, AND SOUTH
COUNTY.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN ADVANCED BY
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THE COUNTY COMMISSION HAS
ALLOCATED $3.7 MILLION FOR DESIGN AND ENGINEERING.
AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF MONEY.
NO MATCHING FROM ANYONE ELSE.
ON THE STREETCAR PROJECT, MOST OF THE MONEY FOR THE
STREETCAR FOR FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT.
BUT HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IT IS BEING STAFFED.
THE EXTRAORDINARY PART OF THIS PUBLIC-PRIVATE
PROPRIETORSHIP, HMS FERRY SAID ONCE THIS IS OPERATING
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THIS, ONLY TRANSIT SYSTEM
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO
PAY TO RUN IT.
HART BUSES GET 25% IN REVENUE.
THIS IS 100% COVID.
THE OTHER EXTRAORDINARY PART OF THIS THAT MOSAIC HAS
OFFERED FREE LAND ON BIG BEND FOR BOTH THE ACCESS ROAD
AND A TERMINAL.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
TRANSPORTATION A LONG TIME, I NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE
THIS.
THIS IS PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY.
THE COST OF THE PROGRAM IS APPROXIMATELY $48 MILLION.
AS I MENTIONED, THE LONG-TERM OPERATING SUBSIDIES ARE
ZERO.
WE ARE WELL IN TO DESIGN.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING
WITH MOSAIC WHICH IS VERY CLOSE.
THE AIR FORCE HAS PRESENTED THEIR AGREEMENT TO THE
COUNTY FOR THAT PART OF THE DEAL.
AND THE AIR FORCE HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD IN DOING THE
ENVIRONMENTAL WORK.
SO IT'S GONE VERY WELL.
THE PLANS ARE PRETTY ROBUST.
AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE $4.9 MILLION GRANT.
HMS WORKED CAREFULLY WITH THE COUNTY IN FRAMING THAT.
YOU ST. PETERSBURG, PINELLAS, HILLSBOROUGH, ALL
JOINED.
BOTH TRANSIT AGENCIES JOINED.
ALL FOUR AREA CONGRESSMEN -- CONGRESS PEOPLE JOINED AND
SUPPORTING THAT GRANT.
I AM PLEASED TO SAY THAT MISS MCDONALD WAS THE POINT
PERSON IN CRAFTING THAT GRANT FOR THE COUNTY AND WORKED
WITH YOUR GOVERNMENTAL LEADERS IN PUTTING TOGETHER A
PROGRAM THAT WE THINK WE HAVE GOT THE FOURTH MOST
OUNT OF MONEY.
AND THIS IS A FERRY GRANT PROGRAM.
YOU CAN'T -- IT IS NOT FOR BUSES OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT
DISCRETIONARY POTS OF MONEY FOR FERRIES.
THE FACT THAT WE GOT THIS MONEY.
AND IT MUCH TELLS YOU HOW FEDERAL TRANSIT
ADMINISTRATION VIEWS THIS.
WE HAVE AN UNIQUE DISTINCTION AS BECOME THE LARGEST
METROPOLITAN AREA IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON A
MAJOR WATERWAYS THAT DO NOT USE THE WATERWAYS FOR
MOVING PEOPLE.
BUT NOW WE ARE CHANGING THAT.
I AM GOING TO GO INTO THE CROSS BAY FERRY.
AS OF -- AND THE -- WE ARE RUNNING 32 TRIPS A WEEK.
WE GOT A LATE START BECAUSE PINELLAS COUNTY TOOK A
WHILE TO GET -- THEIR PART OF THE AGREEMENT.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO START OCTOBER 1.
WE DIDN'T START UNTIL OCTOBER 19.
FERRY SERVICE ENDS ON MAY 1.
NEXT YEAR, IT WILL RUN FROM OCTOBER 1 UNTIL THE END OF
MAY.
EACH YEAR, THE SERVICE IS EXTENDED.
BUT WE CAN ONLY DO 32 TRIPS A WEEK BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE
CREW, OVERTIME RULE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THIS SHOWS THE SCHEDULE.
AS I MENTIONED WE ARE OVER 54,000 RIDER.
OUR REVENUE IS -- WE PROJECTED FOR THIS YEAR ABOUT FIVE
-- EXCUSE ME, 640.
WE ARE GOING TO EXCEED THAT.
AND AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT, EVERY DOLLAR EARNED AFTER
$400,000 IS REBATED 50/50 TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
WE ESTIMATE THIS CITY OF TAMPA AND ALL THE OTHER
GOVERNMENTS WILL GET APPROXIMATELY $40,000 CHECK ONCE
WE CLOSE THE BOOKS AT THE END OF THE SEASON TO BE MAY
1.
WE DEVELOPED A COOPERATIVE MARKETING PROGRAM.
WE HAVE ABOUT A DOZEN DIFFERENT COMPANIES SIGNED UP FOR
THAT AND THAT WON'T GET ROLLED OUT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
THIS IS WHAT THE PROGRAM LOOKS FOR THIS COMING YEAR.
BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING MORE MONTHS, THE COST -- THE
OVERALL COSTS IS HIGHER.
EACH LOCAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BE REQUESTED -- AND THIS IS
PART OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, BUT TO INVEST
$190,000.
WE ARE PROJECTING A TICKET INCREASE THIS YEAR IF THAT
WAS $11.10 ON AVERAGE, WE WOULD PROJECT GENERATING
$65,000 OF INCOME, WHICH IN CASE YOUR ACTUAL
OUT-OF-POCKET COST WILL BE LOWER THIS YEAR THAN LAST
YEAR.
YOU CAN ASK MISS MCDONALD ABOUT THIS, BUT HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY HAS REQUESTED FDOT TO JOIN INTO THIS.
SO IF THAT HAPPENS, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WILL GO LESS.
THE EXTRAORDINARY THING ABOUT THE CROSS BAY FERRY
THOUGH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU DO TRANSPORTATION
STUDIES AND CONSULTANTS COME IN AND PROJECT THIS IS
WHAT WE THINK WILL HAPPEN AND KINDS OF A GUESS.
WE HAVE FIVE YEARS OF DATA.
EVERY WEEK, WE DO CUSTOMER SURVEYS.
EVERY SINGLE WEEK.
OVER IN PINELLAS COUNTY, THEY ARE USING THE MODEL WE DO
FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE AS A MODEL TO GOVERN THEIR FUTURE
TRANSIT PROJECTS.
WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO AND FROM?
60% OF THE CUSTOMERS ARE COMING TO TAMPA.
PINELLAS COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE
GOING THEIR WAY.
WHEN THEY GET HERE, THEY DINE OUT.
THEY GO TO MUSEUMS.
THEY GO TO SHOPPING.
THEY GO TO SPORTING EVENTS.
ONLY ABOUT 4% SAID THEY TAKE THE FERRY AND GO BACK ON
THE FERRY.
IF YOU WILL, IT IS A DOLPHIN CRUISE FOR 4%.
96% OF THE PEOPLE THEY ARE GOING TO THE OTHER CITY,
GETTING OFF AND DOING SOMETHING AND SPENDING MONEY.
AND IN A LOT OF RESPECTS, THE FERRY IS FAR BETTER THAN
SPORTING EVENTS, BECAUSE SPORTING EVENTS, THE TEAMS
CAPTURE THE PATRON TO GO AND SPEND MONEY INSIDE THE
ARENA.
HERE FERRY PATRONS GO AND SPEND MONEY IN COMMUNITIES.
AND THEY GO HERE TO YBOR CITY.
THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM, THE ARMATURE WORKS.
SPARKMAN WHARF.
COMING OUT OF COVID WHAT BETTER THING TO HELP OUR
HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY THAN TO DELIVER PEOPLE TO THEIR
DOOR TO PATRONIZE THEM AND THOSE HOSPITAL INDUSTRY
EMPLOY A LOT PEOPLE IN THE CENTER CITY A JOBS PROGRAM
RATHER THAN AN EDUCATION PROGRAM.
18% OF PEOPLE WHO RODE THE FERRY SAID THEY TOOK THE
STREETCAR.
BECAUSE HALF AND HALF, TAMPA AND ST. PETE.
40% OF THE PEOPLE COMING IN FROM ST. PETERSBURG ARE
GETTING ON THE STREETCAR AND GOING TO YBOR CITY.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE STREETCAR HAD HISTORIC
RIDERSHIP THAT THE FERRY FED PASSENGERS INTO IT.
THIS COMING YEAR, ST. PETERSBURG IS BRINGING ON THE
CENTRAL AVENUE BRT AND WILL CONNECT UP TO THE FERRY.
SO VERY PRACTICALLY SPEAKING STARTING NEXT YEAR, YOU
CAN GO FROM -- IF YOU CAN GO FROM THE BEACHES OF ST.
PETERSBURG TO DOWNTOWN YBOR CITY AND NEVER USE A CAR.
BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THE TRANSPORTATION COMPONENTS TO
DO IT.
IF ONLY WE HAD MORE SERVICE.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, ONCE WE GET THAT PERMANENT FERRY
VESSEL HERE, WE CAN RUN LONGER HOURS AND PROVIDE MORE
SERVICE BECAUSE WE WILL HIRE OUR OWN CREWS AND YOU
WON'T HAVE ANY CONTINUING OPERATING SUB CITY DECEMBER.
THE OTHER THING THAT THE FERRY PASSENGERS SPEND A LOT
OF MONEY.
ON AVERAGE $40 A PERSON.
THAT IS SAY LOT OF MONEY.
THEY COME HERE TO SPEND MONEY.
THEY GO BACK BY FERRY.
HERE IS THE OTHER IMPORTANT PART.
THE FERRY IS NOT ONLY -- WELL, IT IS WORTH A
TRANSPORTATION OPTION, CONGESTION, MITIGATION ASSET.
BUT IT IS ALSO AN ECONOMIC GENERATOR.
60% OF THE PEOPLE SAID THEY ONLY WENT TO THE OTHER CITY
BECAUSE THEY COULD TAKE THE FERRY.
TAKE AWAY THE FERRY, YOU LOSE THAT INPUT FROM PEOPLE
RIDING THE FERRY.
AND ACCORDING TO OUR CREDIT CARD ZIP CODE INFORMATION,
20% OF THE PEOPLE USING THE FERRIES AREN'T FROM HERE.
SO THE FERRY DOES A NICE JOB OF INDUCING BUSINESSES FOR
THE BUSINESSES IN THE URBAN CORE OF BOTH CITIES.
ON THE OTHER HAND, 40% OF THE PEOPLE SAID THEY ARE
PLANNING TO MAKE THAT TRIP ANYWAY BUT TOOK THE FERRY
INSTEAD.
THAT IS -- CARS OFF OUR ROADWAY, CARS OFF OF DOWNTOWN
DURING CONGESTED EVENT.
SO GOING TO RAMP UP.
THIS IS A VERY TRANSPORTATION AND ECONOMIC
TRANSPORTATION MODE.
BASED ON THE STATISTICS I SAID, IT GENERATES BUSINESS
THAT TAKES PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD.
AND IT DOES SO AT A FRACTION OF THE COST OF ANY OTHER
OPTION YOU CAN IMAGINE OR CONCOCT.
WE ARE SO VERY HAPPY THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND THE
CITY OF TAMPA HAS DECIDED TO INVEST IN GETTING THIS
PROJECT GOING.
IT IS INCREDIBLE THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS PROVIDING
THE CAPITAL MONEY FOR THE STUDIES AND PROVIDING $1.2
MILLION CAPITAL MATCH FOR THE 350 PASSENGER FERRY.
I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS ONE POINT IS THAT THE GRANT
THAT WE WERE AWARDED WILL PROVIDE THE 350 PASSENGER
FERRY AND RUNNING 149.
ONCE WE GET PERMANENT SERVICE GOING, THAT PERMANENT
INNER CITY SERVICE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MOVEMENT
CAPACITY FOR 1.2 MILLION TRIPS, INDIVIDUAL RIDERS.
THE CURRENT SYSTEM ONLY DOES 125.
SO IF WE CAN GET THIS FERRY PROCURED IN PLACE, THE
ECONOMIC IMPACT IN TRANSPORTATION VALUE OF FERRY
SERVICE WHEN THE PROJECT IS UP WILL BE TEN TIMES WHAT
IT IS NOW AND NOTHING BUT GOOD STUFF IN OUR VIEW.
I THINK THAT'S IT.
MISS MCDONALD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING?
OR JOIN ME UP HERE?
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS?
10:09:58 >> I WILL JOIN YOU UP HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
TO BE CLEAR, THE GRANT WENT TO HART.
SO HART IS THE AGENCY THAT HAD TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT.
WE PUT IT TOGETHER AND HART IS THE ONE THAT WILL
ULTIMATELY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PROCUREMENT.
AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE
ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE AND ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE ARE
WORKING TOGETHER CLOSELY ON THAT.
10:10:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:10:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I GUESS I AM A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
NO REFLECTION ON MISS MCDONALD AND MR. TURANCHIK, BUT
I THINK DIFFERENTLY.
WHERE DOES THIS GO IN THE WINTER.
SALEM?
10:10:44 >> SALES BETWEEN PROVINCETOWN AND BOSTON IN THE INNER
CITY RUN DURING THE SUMMER.
10:10:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE SAME ONE TO SALEM?
NEWS THAT CAME BACK IN 2012.
AND SAY THE ELEMENTARY NEWSPAPER AND ALL THE PHONE
NUMBERS OF ALL THE NEWSPAPERS THERE.
WE ARE TALKING OF A RATE OF APPROXIMATELY $11.10.
I CORRECT?
WHAT I SAW THERE?
10:11:05 >> IF WE INCREASE, IT WOULD BE --
10:11:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY MEMORY IS NOT AS GOOD AS IT WAS
YESTERDAY.
10:11:11 >> IT IS PRETTY GOOD.
10:11:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT I SEE HERE, AND I WILL GIVE YOU
THE NUMBER.
I WILL GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OF THE NEWSPAPER AND ANY
NUMBER CHECKS MY FIGURES.
AND I WILL GO BY MEMORY I WAS THERE IN 2012.
THE FERRY CONNECTION NEXT TO THE TRAIN FROM SALEM TO
BOSTON.
I CHOSE THE TRAIN BECAUSE IT WAS FASTER AND A LITTLE
LESS INEXPENSIVE.
BUT THE RATE WAS $40, $19 AND $17.
$17 IF YOU LIVE RESIDENCE OF ONE OF THE CITIES IT WENT
TO SALEM.
$19 IF YOU ARE PART OF THE COUNTY AND THE FEE WAS $40.
AND HOLD BIG MEMORY FOR 2012.
THE -- THE CITY OR THE COMPONENTS OF EACH -- WHEREVER
IT STARTED.
WHEREVER IT ENDED WHETHER SALEM OR BOSTON OR PROVIDENCE
AND WHATEVER, THE COST OF -- THEIR ENDOWMENT TO THE
FERRY WAS $700,000 A YEAR.
AND AGAIN I AM GOING BY MEMORY.
AND I LOST MY HAIR BUT MY MEMORY IS STILL WITH ME TO
SOME DEGREE.
AND, AGAIN, I CAN GET THOSE FIGURES BY CALLING A NEWS
PAPER.
WHAT I AM SEEING INSTEAD OF RAPID TRANSIT, SMALLER
BUSES FULL OF PEOPLE, WE HAVE BIG BUSES WITH FEW
PEOPLE.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT I SEE IT AND YOU SAY WHY I DO
WANT TO RIDE THE BUS, NOBODY IS THERE.
IT IS LIKE GOING TO THE RESTAURANT, HAVING A GREAT MEAL
AND YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE EATING.
YOU GO BACK.
SOMETIMES DO YOU AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE SEE.
WHY IS IT FULL?
I WILL RATHER SEE MANY SMALL BUSINESSES IN HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY AND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA -- I DON'T EVEN
APPRECIATE THE EXPRESSWAY BUILDING MORE LANES.
ALL YOU ARE GOING TO DO IN TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS
BUILD MORE LANES BECAUSE THIS IS ALREADY TAKEN.
WE INDUCED TRAVEL AND TRANSPORTATION BY ADDING MORE OR
SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT.
THAT IS MORE CARS AND MORE TRAFFIC IN THE CITY AND
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
SO IF WE HAVE A LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM OF SOME SORT AND A
LOT OF LITTLE BUSES OF SOME SORT, MAYBE -- I AM NOT
SAYING IT WILL, BUT MAYBE IT WILL BE BETTER OFF.
BUT YET WE INVEST IN A FERRY AND COST THAT STARTED OUT
-- I FORGET WHAT IT WAS, $250,000.
EACH GOVERNMENT.
FOUR OR FIVE --
10:13:31 >> $175,000.
10:13:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHATEVER IT WAS.
SOME TIME BACK FOUR, FIVE YEARS.
I JUST NEVER SUPPORTED THIS IN A WAY BECAUSE -- I AM
NOT SAYING YOUR FIGURES ARE WRONG, BUT I AM JUST SAYING
THAT -- IN MY PART, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT.
THEY COME HERE, DRIVE AND COME HERE TO DRIVE AND LEAVE
AND CAN'T GET BACK IN THEIR OWN CAR AND COME BACK WHERE
THEY COME FROM.
10:13:55 >> WOULD YOU CARE FOR ME TO RESPOND?
10:13:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT FINISHED YET.
I AM PATIENT, MR. TURANCHIK.
10:14:04 >> I AM PATIENT TOO.
10:14:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT ANYONE TO THINK OR VOTE
LIKE I DO, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT
IN COMPARISON TO WHAT?
WHAT IF WE HAD SMALL BUSES.
WHAT IF INSTEAD OF WAITING 30 OR 40 MINUTES FOR A BUS,
WE HAD EVERY 10 AND 15 MINUTES.
WOULD THAT IMPROVE?
10:14:21 >> NO.
DEFINITIVELY ABSOLUTELY, CATEGORICALLY NO.
10:14:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO FOR ME BY THE FERRY.
10:14:32 >> BY EXAMPLE, FOUR FERRIES.
EACH FERRY FROM MACDILL, SOUTH COUNTY TO MACDILL, EACH
FERRY, ONE FERRY CARRIES EQUIVALENT OF 16 USES.
EACH OF THOSE BUSES WILL REQUIRE A 80% OPERATING
SUBSIDY AND THE CAPITAL COST OF THOSE BUSES WILL EXCEED
THE CAPITAL COST OF THE FERRIES AND THEY ARE STUCK IN
TRAFFIC SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T TAKE THEM.
THE ADVANTAGE OF FERRY TRANSPORTATION IS THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY IS FREE.
IT'S CONGESTION-PROOF.
AND WE ARE FOOLISH -- FOOLISH NOT TO MAKE USE OF A FREE
ASSET KNOWN AS THE WATER.
THE FERRIES ARE ALLOWING THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA BAY TO
CONNECT AND UNLIKE A LIGHT RAIL VEHICLE, A BUSWAY OR
ANYTHING ELSE, IF THERE IS NO NEED TO USE IT ANYMORE,
YOU CAN'T RECOVER THE COST OF THAT ROAD.
YOU CAN HAVE A BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.
YOU CAN HAVE A RAILLINE.
AND THE FERRIES YOU CAN RESELL FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE
THAN COST TO BUY THEM.
THIS IS EXCEPTIONALLY LOW COST ON AN AMORTIZED COST PER
MILE, THE CAPITAL COST OF THIS FERRY SYSTEM IS LESS
THAN THE RESURFACING COST PER MILE ON STATE ROUTE 60.
THESE ARE NUMBERS AND ABSOLUTELY FACT.
10:15:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS, LET'S KEEP
IT LIKE IT WAS AND CHANGE IT TO THE FERRY.
HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND
CHANGE THE WAY WE THINK, MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD RIDE THE
BUS.
MAYBE MORE BUSES, MORE QUICKER SERVICES YOU WOULD GET
THERE.
YOU MENTION SOMEWHERE IN THE DEBATE -- NOT IN THE
DEBATE BUT DISCUSSION, PRESENTATION, BOTH OF YOU, THAT
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT IN, IT
WILL BE SPLIT AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
I CORRECT?
THAT IS WHAT WE DID WITH THE SPORTS TEAM.
THE FIRST TWO MILLION AND THEN SPLIT.
WHAT A COUNTRY.
10:16:28 >> THE TERMS OF THE OPERATING AGREEMENT WERE ORIGINALLY
--
10:16:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND, MR. TURANCHIK.
I AM NOT GOING THROUGH THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THAT
CONTRACT.
I READ THE OTHER ONE.
AFTER YOU GIVE WHAT YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE
SPLIT WHAT IS LEFT.
WHAT LEFT IS VERY LITTLE.
WHY DON'T YOU SPLIT FROM THE BEGINNING INSTEAD OF
HAVING A CAP.
10:16:47 >> I CAN ANSWER THAT.
10:16:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER IT,
SIR.
10:16:52 >> YOU JUST ASKED A QUESTION.
10:16:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST GIVING YOU A SCENARIO WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN THIS WHOLE COUNTRY.
NOT ONLY HERE, BUT THE WHOLE COUNTRY, THE RICH GETS
RICHER AND THE POOR GETS POORER.
IF YOU HAD A SYSTEM TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND, WHICH VERY
HAVEN'T DONE -- I KNOW USED TO CALL IT CHOO-CHOO, AND
YOU ARE RIGHT SHOULD HAVE LIGHT RAIL AND TRANSPORTATION
IN A DIFFERENT MODE.
WE DON'T HAVE IN ANYMORE.
WE KEEP BUILDING AND KEEP ADDING AND KEEP TAKING.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO LIVE UNDER AN EXPRESSWAY VERY SOON.
THERE WILL BE NO SUNSHINE.
VERY LITTLE.
THE PEOPLE AROUND IT.
AND JUST TO ME HAS GOT TO HAVE AN ENDING SOME TIME.
AND PLEASE GO BACK TO SALEM AND I GIVE YOU THE SALEM
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE.
SEE IF I AM AT LEAST CLOSE TO THE FIGURES I AM SEEING.
THE $700,000 WAS GRANT MONEY GIVEN FOR THE MONEY THEY
CHARGED THE CITY.
AND I MAY NOT BE 100% THERE.
10:17:50 >> THERE ARE DIFFERENT FERRY SERVICES.
10:17:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
NOW I AM QUOTING MYSELF, BECAUSE THAT -- TEN YEARS AGO.
AND I HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER OF THE NEWSPAPER.
YOU CAN GET ALL THE ARTICLES THAT WERE WRITTEN THERE.
IF YOU WANT TO.
MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME.
BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE SAME FERRY --
10:18:09 >> WE WILL FOLLOW UP.
10:18:12 >> FROM SALEM, TO BOSTON TO BACK.
10:18:13 >> THIS DOES NOT RUN THERE.
10:18:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAID IF IT IS THE SAME SYSTEM,
BUT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHERE IT RUNS.
10:18:18 >> WELL, IF DOES.
10:18:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SEE THE CITIES THAT THEY
RAN -- IF THIS CITY IS PAYING FOR IT.
10:18:27 >> THE PROVINCETOWN -- JUST TO CORRECT THE RECORD, THE
--
10:18:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL GIVE YOU ONE MINUTE FOR
REBUTTAL.
10:18:36 >> RUN FROM BOSTON TO PROVINCETOWN END TO THE CAPE.
OPEN OCEAN WITH A 75-MILE ROUTE.
A SEPARATE FERRY SYSTEM SUBSIDIZE FROM SALEM TO BOSTON.
AND A PRIVATELY OWNED VESSEL THAT WE CHARTER AND BRING
DOWN.
I THINK YOU ARE RUNNING OPEN OCEAN 75 MILES.
GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT RATE FOR THAT JUST LIKE RUNNING
FROM FORT MEYERS DOWN TO KEY WEST IS $125.
BUT THAT IS A VERY BIG VESSEL.
SO THEY ARE APPLES AND ORANGES AND I WILL FOLLOW UP
WITH APPROPRIATE --
10:19:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU ONE WAY OR
OTHER.
10:19:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:19:16 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO FOLLOW-UP TO MY COLLEAGUE.
TAMPA HAS -- YOU TALKED ABOUT RICH GETTING RICHER AND
POOR GETTING POORER.
TAMPA, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS -- JUST OF TAMPA AND
NOT OF THE REGION FAILED COMPLETELY THE LAST TEN YEARS.
MIDDLE CLASS SHRANK DURING THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC BOON IN
ERICAN HISTORY.
POOR PEOPLE GOT POORER AND RICH GOT RICHER.
IN TAMPA BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC ECONOMIC POLICIES OF
FUNDING PROJECTS DOWNTOWN AND IGNORING NEIGHBORHOODS,
POOR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND POLICIES THAT PROFILED PEOPLE
BASED ON RACE.
AND ALSO HAVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT ONLY
BENEFITED RICH PEOPLE AND NOT EQUITABLE AND TRYING TO
CHANGE OUR DEVELOPMENTAL POLICY.
MR. TURANCHIK, THE THIRD YEAR THIS HAS COME UP.
A CRITICISM THIS IS A TOURIST GIMMICK AND NOT A REAL
MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY, THE PUBLIC ESPECIALLY
WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN HAVING TWO BOATS MAKING
REGULAR HEADWAYS VERSUS ONE.
AND I THINK EVENTUALLY YOU WILL HAVE FOUR.
BUT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THE LAST FEW YEARS IS
REALLY A TEST OF THE CONCEPT, BUT IF YOU WERE ABLE TO
HAVE TWO -- TWO BOATS MAKING REGULAR HEADWAYS, ISN'T IT
MORE RELIABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO USE IT FOR TRANSIT
OR OTHER MODES OF --
10:20:44 >> THAT'S CORRECT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY TRANSIT RIDERSHIP DEPENDS ON FREQUENCY AND
RELIABILITY.
WE RUN 32 TRIPS AT THE TIMES WHEN WE CAN HAVE THE
GREATEST RIDERSHIP BECAUSE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO LIMIT
THE AMOUNT OF SUBSIDIES THEY HAVE IN HERE AND HAVE THE
GREATEST ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
JUST WITH ONE VESSEL THAT WE WOULD OWN WITH THIS GRANT.
WE WILL BE ABLE TO RUN THIS VESSEL DAY LONG 365 DAYS A
YEAR, BECAUSE WE CAN USE OUR OWN CREWS.
WE CAN HIRE LOCAL -- WILL RUN LOCAL.
AND THAT IS GOING TO GIVE US MORE MOBILITY CHOICES.
THE OTHER THING IS EACH VESSEL YOU ADD, YOU GO FROM
VESSEL COMING IN EVERY THREE HOURS TO ONE AND A HALF
HOURS TO ONE HOUR, SO YOU BUILD THIS FREQUENCY.
I READ THE COMMENTS THAT COME IN EVERY WEEK.
AND LITERALLY TENS OF THOUSANDS -- I AM HAPPY TO SHARE
THEM WITH COUNCIL.
IT IS EXTRAORDINARY.
THE PASSION PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT THIS.
THAT IT IS THE BEST THING FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
ALL INCOMES HAVE SAID THIS IS SUPER.
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE.
AND THE BIGGEST CRITICISM WE HAVE IS NOT ENOUGH
SERVICE.
WE WILL TAKE IT MORE IF THERE WAS MORE SERVICE.
BUSES GET STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
YOU GET ON THE BRIDGE, YOU ARE STUCK.
THING ABOUT THE FERRY IS YOU ARE NEVER STUCK IN
TRAFFIC.
99.5% OF THE TRIPS LEFT ON TIME.
AND THEY GET THROUGH THEIR DESTINATION ON TIME.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT WEST
TAMPA TRIP TO A RAYS GAME THAT ONE TIME.
A THIRD OF US TOOK THE FERRY AND TWO-THIRDS DROVE.
ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE FERRY GOT TO THE FIRST
PITCH.
JUST RELIABILITY.
THANK YOU.
10:22:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:22:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN I LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE, I
HAD AN EXPERIENCE ONCE.
I TOOK 60 KIDS TO NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY TO PLAY A BALL
GAME, YOU KNOW.
AND INNER CITY KIDS.
SO, OF COURSE, THEY NEVER EXPERIENCE $BEING ON THE
WATER.
SO WE GOT TO NEW YORK, TOOK THE FERRY.
THAT FERRY TOOK US FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER AND GET
OFF AND GO TO ALL THE PLACES, THE SITES.
AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL THING.
BUT, AGAIN, THAT IS A CITY THAT HAS TRANSIT FOR MANY,
MANY YEARS.
WHEN I LOOK AT OUR BUS SYSTEM HERE -- NOBODY RIDES THE
BUS.
NOBODY RIDES THE BUS.
I LIVE IN THE INNER CITY.
I LOOK AT THE BUS ALL THE TIME.
TAKES TOO LONG.
IT'S HOT.
TAKES TWO HOURS TO GET SO SOME PLACE.
IF I HAD A JOB WORKING IN SOUTH COUNTY, THERE IS NO BUS
THAT COULD GET ME THERE.
SO I CAN'T APPLY FOR THAT JOB.
MAYBE SMALLER BUSES WOULD WORK, BECAUSE MAYBE IT CAN
RUN FAST.
I DON'T KNOW.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE A STUDY ON THAT.
I KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING SEND SPENDING IS ON BIG BUSES
THAT ARE EMPTY.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE FERRY -- WE TALK ABOUT SOUTH COUNTY.
WHEN I LOOK AT SOUTH COUNTY, THERE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE
OF ECONOMIC IMPACT IN SOUTH COUNTY.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WE ARE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING IN
SOUTH COUNTY TO GO TO MACDILL.
I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO IS THE RIDERS AND WHY SOUTH
COUNTY TO MACDILL?
HOW DOES SOME OF OUR MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES BENEFIT
TO RIDE THE FERRY.
AND THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF THIS FERRY.
TO ME, WHEN IT FIRST CAME TO ME, I BELIEVED IT TO BE A
TOURISM ATTRACTION BECAUSE GOING FROM -- YOU SAY TAMPA
TO THE BALL FIELD AND TO ME TOURISTS.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW TOO MANY HISPANIC, BLACK PEOPLE,
LOW-INCOME WHITE FOLKS GETTING -- GOING OVER THERE
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.
SO I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RIDERSHIP OF THIS
WHOLE PROGRAM.
WHO IS RIDING AND THE ACTUAL CONCEPT.
IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT TO ME BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE I
GET LOST A LITTLE BIT.
10:25:11 >> YES, SIR, THE MPO DID A STUDY OF THE POTENTIAL
ROUTES THAT THE FERRY COULD RUN IN 2011 AND 2012.
INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT DID THAT AND IDENTIFIED MACDILLL
IF YOU ARE GOING TO START ANYPLACE FOR A COMMUTER
SERVICE, THIS IS THE PLACE TO START THE LOW-LYING
FRUIT.
80,000 PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SOUTH COUNTY THAT WORK AT
MACDILL.
THE FERRY IS A DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE COMMUNITY
PARTNERSHIP PROJECT.
THE AIR FORCE IS TAKING THE LEAD ON ENVIRONMENTAL
DOCUMENTS IN NEPA HERE.
SO WE WANT TO USE THIS INVENTORY TO DO THE MOST GOOD
FOR THE MOST PEOPLE.
YOU WOULD NOT START ON THE WORST ROUTE WHEN YOU START A
SERVICE.
YOU START ON THE BEST ROUTE.
IN ROUTE WILL NOT RARE AN OPERATING SUBSIDIES BECAUSE
THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES GET A VOUCHER.
FURTHERMORE, BECAUSE OF THE 350-PASSENGER VESSEL, WHEN
THEY GET TO MACDILL, WE WILL HAVE THE LARGEST
ARTICULATED BUSES ON THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA TO MOVE
PEOPLE AROUND THE BASE.
WE ARE GOING TO RUN THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.
NOT SMALL BUSES, 120-PERSON BUSES, BECAUSE WE DID A
RIDERSHIP SURVEY AT MACDILL AND FOUND THAT 80 TO 90% OF
THE MEN AND WOMEN SURVEYED IN SOUTH COUNTY SAY THEY
WILL USE THE SERVICE.
PEOPLE WHO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY WHO HAVE WORKING KIDS
AND FAMILIES.
AND IT IS GOOD TO DO JUST FOR THEM, IN MY PERSONAL.
10:26:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BECAUSE
THAT IS WHAT I FIGURED.
10:26:54 >> LET ME JUST -- IT THEN GOES AND CONNECTS THESE SOUTH
COUNTY WHO HAS NO RESTAURANTS TO YBOR AND DOWNTOWN THAT
DOES AND TO ST. PETERSBURG AND CONNECTS BETWEEN THEM.
AND ANY PERSON UNDER FIVE RIDES FREE.
SO THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PUSH BACK ON OUR PART AND I
THINK BY SOME OF THE GOVERNMENTS OF NOT WANTING TO
RAISE RATES TO $40 OR $20, BECAUSE WE WANTED THIS TO
BE ACCESSIBLE TO FAMILIES.
SO IF YOU ARE A MOM AND YOU WANT TO TAKE FOUR KIDS ON A
FERRY RIDE BACK AND FORTH, IT WILL COST YOU $20 FOR AS
MANY KIDS YOU WANT TO TAKE WITH YOU.
AND PEOPLE DO THAT.
REMARKABLY, THEY DO IT.
FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
IT'S -- I HAVE RIDDEN THE FERRY PROBABLY 30 TIMES, AND
THE PEOPLE WHO RIDE THE FERRIES ARE US.
THEY LOOK LIKE US.
THEY LOOK LIKE OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY.
AND THEY LOVE IT.
YOU KNOW FOR PLACES LIKE YBOR CITY AND TAMPA HEIGHTS
AND AROUND DOWNTOWN, IT'S BUSINESS AND JOBS.
IT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT IS WHO RIDES IT.
10:27:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HONEST AND WE
TALK OF TRANSPARENCY.
WE GET TO THE MEAT OF WHO IS RIDING IT.
A BENEFIT FOR MOST OF OUR MILITARY PEOPLE DO LIVE IN
SOUTH COUNTY.
SO I -- YOU KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THEM DO.
SO THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT FOR THEM BECAUSE NOW, YOU
KNOW, IT'S -- A SHORTER TRIP FOR THEM TO DRIVE.
I CAN SEE THAT CONCEPT.
I CAN SEE WHY THE GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE
COMING FORWARD.
I DON'T HAVE ISSUE WITH THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF I AM SUPPORTING SOMETHING, WHAT
I SUPPORTING.
AND THAT'S WHY I NEED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT
ACTUALLY THIS FERRY IS DOING.
10:28:41 >> IN THE EVENING AND WEEKEND SERVICE, 60% TO 70% OF
THE TAMPA PASSENGERS LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND LIVE
IN THE URBAN CORE.
FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IN EAST TAMPA TO YBOR CITY TO
DOWNTOWN, IT IS CLUSTERED WITHIN A THREE-MILE RADIUS.
AND WITHIN THE DOWNTOWNS, AMAZING, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN
INTERIM WALK TO THE FERRY.
WALK OR RIDE THEIR BICYCLE.
10% OF PATRONS GETS THEIR BICYCLE.
THIS VISION TO HAVE A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT WORKS
FOR EVERYONE AND PEOPLE USE IS HERE AND NOW AND NOT A
CONSULTANT STUDY.
NOT SOMETHING FROM ANY OTHER CITY.
IT IS HERE AND NOW AND PEOPLE ARE USING.
AND THEY ARE LOVING IT.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:29:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:29:32 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR YOUR -- I KNOW
YOU ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
AND CONGRATULATION ON ALL YOUR RECENT SUCCESS IN THE
FERRIES.
10:29:44 >> OUR SUCCESS.
10:29:45 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, YES, SIR.
YOU KNOW I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN OPEN AND HONEST WITH THE
FERRY AND I ALWAYS HAD A CONFLICT, IF YOU WILL.
A LOT OF THE STATEMENTS I AGREE WITH.
FOOLISH NOT TO USE OUR WATERWAYS AS A WAY TO MOVE OUR
FOLKS AROUND ETC.
WHEN THE NEED IS SO COMPELLING AND GREAT.
AND WHATNOT.
I ALWAYS EXPRESS CONCERNS HOWEVER ON THE -- ON USE OF
CITY DOLLARS, PARTICULARLY FOR THE FERRY.
CRA IS POTENTIALLY ANOTHER THING AND USE OF GENERAL
FUNDS FOR THE FERRY ALWAYS HAD A BIG CHALLENGE FOR THAT
AND REMEMBER -- COUNCILMAN REDDICK SPEAKING YEARS AGO
AND COUNCILMAN GUDES SPOKEN ON THIS AND MADE REFERENCE
TO THIS RIGHT NOW WHICH IS WHO RIDES THE FERRY.
ESPECIALLY WHO DO WE ADVERTISE THE FERRY TO.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING HAS EVER BEEN DONE, ET CETERA
IF IT IS -- WHAT PARTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
ARE ADVERTISED.
NOT SAYING ANYBODY SPECIFICALLY KEPT OUT OR ANYTHING,
BUT IN OTHER WORDS, IS THE FERRY SOMETHING THAT IS
GOING TO BE REALISTICALLY ACCESSIBLE TO ALL OF OUR
CITY.
I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT KIDS UNDER FIVE BEING ALLOWED
TO GO FOR FREE, ETC., ETC.
CERTAIN CONCERNS I HAVE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO
GENERAL REVENUE FUNDS.
CRA FUNDS IS POTENTIALLY ANOTHER DIFFERENT ISSUE WHEN
COMES FROM DOWNTOWN CRA OPINION EYE USE A DIFFERENTIAL
NAIL SIS ON THAT BUT SOME LEFT OF SKEPTICISM.
I NEVER CONSIDERED MYSELF A SUPPORTER OF THE FERRY OR
TO OF GOING NEW ANALYSIS AT THE TIME.
BUT, AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE OBVIOUSLY GOTTEN A LOT OF
VICTORIES INCLUDING ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL WITH THAT.
IF WE CAN GET THIS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE FIRST
RATE AND USED BY ALL SECTORS OF OUR CITY, IT WOULD
REALLY BE SOMETHING THAT IS MAGNIFICENT FOR OUR CITY
AND WHATNOT.
10:31:41 >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC CRA POINT.
10:31:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ONE-MINUTE REBUTTAL.
10:31:45 >> NOT A REBUTTAL.
JUST THE PRINCIPAL BUSINESSES THAT BENEFIT FROM THE
FERRY ARE ALL LOCATED IN CRAS.
95% OF THEM ARE.
AND FOR YOU TO DECIDE HOW CRA DOLLARS ARE USED.
BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE CRA IS TO KIND OF PUSH AND
PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE AREAS.
AND BRINGING PEOPLE BACK IN WHO OTHERWISE WOULD NOT BE
THERE SPENDING $40 PER PERSON.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GETS BETTER THAN THAT.
WHETHER YOU USE GENERAL REVENUES OR CRA DOLLARS OR
TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS IS YOUR POLICY POINT.
BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS, IF YOU SAY WE AREN'T
GOING TO DO THIS, YOU WILL HEAR FROM DOZENS AND DOZENS
OF RESTAURANTS SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING.
THESE ARE SEATS IN BUTTS.
COMING OUT OF COVID, THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
THAT IS PART OF ALL OF OUR CITY.
10:32:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY.
10:32:46 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MISS VAN HORN MAY BE ABLE TO CLARIFY
SOME OF THESE POINTS.
SITTING AT THE CRA, I THINK THE BULK OF THE DOLLARS
SPENT LAST YEAR OR OUR CONTRIBUTION OF THIS CAME OUT OF
THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
AND IT WAS ONE -- THE DOWNTOWN CRA FUND JUST TO MAKE
THAT CLEAR ON THE RECORD SO IT IS NOT ALL THE OTHER
CRAS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING.
THE BULK OF IT IS COMING OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
10:33:11 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
125 FROM THE CRA --
[INAUDIBLE]
10:33:14 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YOU WANTED TO HAVE THIS ANNUAL
CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU FELT
COMFORTABLE ALLOCATING CRA FUNDS FOR ON AN ANNUAL
BASIS.
10:33:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, EXCUSE ME.
10:33:28 >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO OTHER POINTS.
ONE IS, THIS IS ABOUT REGIONAL COOPERATION, WHICH WE
HAVE BEEN IN SHORT SUPPLY OF RECENTLY.
IT IS -- FORMER COMMISSIONER WAS ON ONE OF THE LEADER
ON THAT.
OTHER GOVERNMENTS.
ARE WE THE LAST ONES ON THIS?
10:33:54 >> UNDER THE TERM OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, YOU
HAVE TO ACTIVELY SAY NO.
YOU ARE COMMITTED TO FUND THIS --
10:33:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL OF THE OTHERS HAVE COMMITTED.
10:34:02 >> EVERYONE HAS ENTERED INTO THE AGREEMENT AND TAKE AN
AFFIRMATIVE DECISION BY YOU NOT TO FUND IT.
10:34:06 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO ANYWAY.
10:34:09 >> YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION BY JUNE 1.
10:34:10 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS NOT ASKING A CONTRACTUAL
QUESTION, BUT MORE THE COMMITMENT OF THE REGION.
THE REST OF THE REGION HAS COME TOGETHER AND THE FIRST
PERSON WHO STOOD ON IT WAS MAYOR KRISMAN AND TOOK A
STRONG LEADERSHIP POSITION TO BRING THE REGION TOGETHER
AND COOPERATION.
THE MORE WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER, THE MORE WE GET
ALONG.
MACDILL WAS MENTIONED.
MACDILL IS IN MY DISTRICT.
THE PEOPLE SOUTH OF GANDY WHO COME ALL THE TIME AND
PULLING THEIR HAIR OUT ABOUT TRAFFIC AND REALLY UPSET
OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE.
I LIVE ON DALE MABRY NEAR MACDILL FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND
MOST OF THE TIME I COULDN'T GET IN AND OUT OF MY CONDO,
BECAUSE THE -- MACDILL WAS BACKED UP FOR A LONG TIME.
AND YOU COULD SEE WHEN THERE WAS SOME KIND OF OPERATION
GOING ON IN MACDILL, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES OF
DAY WHEN THEY ARE CHANGING SHIFTS AND NOT AT THAT RIGHT
TIME, YOU SEE SOMETHING HEAVY.
BACKED UP FROM MACDILL ALL THE WAY PAST -- PAST GANDY
NORTH.
AND BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET IN THERE AND THE
EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH D.O.T. TO
GET A SPECIAL GATE AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.
THREE GATES.
THE OTHER ONE COMES BY WHERE I LIVE NOW WHICH IS
BAYSHORE, THE SOUTHERN PART OF BAYSHORE.
I CAN'T GET ON TO BAYSHORE NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE BACKED
UP FOUR OR FIVE STREETS TRYING TO GET ON GANDY FROM
BAYSHORE.
YOU CAN SEE THE AIR FORCE STICKERS ON THE CAR.
IF YOU CAN TAKE MAJOR TRAFFIC OFF THE ROADS PUT RELIEF
ON US FROM HAVING TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WIDENING
DALE MABRY AND EXTENSION OF THE EXPRESSWAY AND WIDENING
THE GATES OF MACDILL.
HOW MANY CARS A DAY WILL IT TAKE OFF?
10:35:52 >> WITH THE GOOD WORK THAT DANA DID AND EVERYONE TO
SUPPORT THE GRANT AND 350, WE CAN TAKE 2,000 CARS OFF
THE ROAD EVERY PEAK HOUR.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH TRANSPORTATION, THAT
THE EQUIVALENT OF A FULL LANE OF INTERSTATE, THAT
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, TO YOUR POINT.
IF YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT WOULD COST $1.2 BILLION.
SO IN TERMS OF THIS PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE
TRANSPORTATION CAPACITY, IT WORKS.
TWO WAYS TO SOLVE YOUR TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE FOUND A THIRDS ONE IN COVID, AND WE
DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
YOU BUILD CAPACITY, OR YOU DIVERT CAPACITY.
AND THE FERRY DOES A VERY FINE JOB OF THAT.
10:36:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MASSEY.
10:36:30 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I KNOW YOU WEREN'T TALKING OF
CONTRACTUAL ISSUE, BUT THE REASON IT IS COMING UP AT
THIS TIME IS THAT YOU ALL REQUESTED IT -- THAT WE DO
LOOK AT THIS IN APRIL, BECAUSE THE OPT-OUT TIME WOULD
HAVE TO POSITIVE ACTION OF THE GOVERNMENT TO OPT OUT
WOULD BE SOME TIME IN JUNE.
10:36:49 >> JUNE 1.
10:36:52 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT IS WHY IT IS BEING BROUGHT
FORWARD JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD.
10:36:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:36:57 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
I DO BELIEVE THAT ADDING THE FERRY BETWEEN MACDILL AND
SOUTH COUNTY WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC ALL OVER THE
CITY.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP, THOUGH, WAS BICYCLE
RIDERS AND HOW 10% RIDE THEIR BIKE TO THE FERRY.
ONE COMPLAINT I HAVE HEARD IS THAT THERE IS ONLY SO
MANY BIKE SPOTS ON THE FERRY.
AND THAT -- THAT IT IS TRICKY IF YOU GO DOWN THERE TO
GET ON THE FERRY TO, SAY, GO OVER TO ST. PETE AND NO
BIKE SPACES AND YOU WERE PLANNING ON BIKING TO YOUR
DESTINATION WHEN YOU GOT TO ST. PETE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT?
10:37:34 >> SURE, OF COURSE.
THERE IS ABOUT 16 SPACES FOR BICYCLISTS.
AND THEN ON THE FRONT.
AND PEOPLE PUT THEM IN THE BACK.
THE DESIGN OF THIS BOAT IS NOT AS A COMMUTER.
IT IS DESIGNED FOR RUNNING BETWEEN BOSTON AND
PROVINCETOWN WHERE YOU TAKE 30 MINUTES TO LOAD PEOPLE.
THE VESSELS THAT WE WILL DESIGN WILL BE FRONT LOADING
WITH BIKE RACKS UP FRONT.
SO WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.
WE HAD TO INCREASE THE DWELL TIME AT THE DOCK IN TAMPA
FROM 15 MINUTES TO 30 MINUTES ON WEEKENDS BECAUSE OF
BICYCLES AND STROLLERS GETTING ON.
IT LOADS ON THE SIDE AND NOT THE FRONT.
SO IT IS A LIMITATION, AGAIN, OF HAVING TO CHARTER A
VESSEL THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY DESIGNED FOR THIS
SPECIFICALLY, BUT THE FUTURE VESSELS WILL BE.
AND YOU TALKED TO CYCLISTS, THEY LOVE IT.
I MEAN -- GO DOWN THERE ANY WEEKEND.
YOU JUST SEE PEOPLE COMING OFF WITH BICYCLES EITHER WAY
AND RIDE THEIR BIKE OVER, RIDE AROUND OR VICE VERSA.
IT IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
BUT THAT IS A LIMITATION OF THE CHARTER VESSEL THAT
WILL BE FOR US.
10:38:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITHOUT ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MR.
TURANCHIK, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I WILL MAKE THIS LAST -- AND JUST A STATEMENT.
MACDILL WILL BE THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK AND WOULD
PLEASE THE MOST PEOPLE.
AROUND WASHINGTON D.C., YOU HAVE THE BELTWAY, MILITARY
PERSONNEL GET FREE PASSES ON THAT BUSWAY.
WE ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH -- "WE" THE TAMPA BAY AREA NOT
SMART ENOUGH TO GIVE OUR MILITARY PERSONNEL SUNPASSES
TO USE OUR CROSSTOWN.
SORRY, LEE ROY SELMON.
THEN MACDILL WOULD MOVE THE MOST PEOPLE, NOT VEHICLES,
PEOPLE.
AND WOULD ALSO FREE UP OUR STREETS FOR THE RESIDENTS ON
OUR OWN STREETS.
WE WOULD HAVE A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
AND ALL OF THIS I WOULD VOTE FOR THE MACDILL BEFORE ANY
OF THE OTHER FERRIES.
THANK YOU, MR. TURANCHIK FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
10:39:54 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UNFORTUNATELY YOU WILL GET
THEM BOTH.
THANK YOU.
10:40:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS VAN LOAN.
10:40:06 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
MICHELLE VAN LOAN, COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 3 IS A RESPONSE TO COUNCILMAN VIERA'S
MOTION ON THE ACCESSIBILITY STUDY AND PLAN BY THE PARKS
DEPARTMENT AND HOW CAN THE CRAS POTENTIALLY PARTNER
WITH PARKS AND REC TO HELP SPEED UP AND EXPEDITE THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THEIR PLAN.
OFF MEMO FROM SHERISHA HILLS, THE PARKS DIRECTOR,
EXPLAINING THE MASTER STUDY, WHAT WENT INTO THAT, HOW
THEY PRIORITIZE THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY DO EACH YEAR
BASED ON THE FUNDING THEY HAVE EACH YEAR.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS A BALANCE OF A LITTLE OVER $3
MILLION ON THEIR LIST FOR PARKS THAT ARE WITHIN THE
CRAS.
AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS -- SHE HAS DIVIDED THAT UP.
PARKS HAVE DIVIDED THAT UP.
WE HAVE IT IN DETAIL BY EVERY PARK.
WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDED ITEMS ALSO SORTED BY WHAT OUR
IMPROVEMENTS, REMOVAL OF BARRIERS, ADDING ACCESSIBILITY
AND THE FLIPSIDE OF ACTUALLY, ALSO, INCREASING
INCLUSIVE AND INTERACTIVE PLAY EQUIPMENT AT EACH OF THE
PARKS.
SO WE WILL WORK WITH EACH OF OUR CACS AND BRING THE
RESPECTIVE COSTS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO ALLOW THE CACS TO
ALLOW THEM TO WORK ON WHAT THEIR PROSPECTIVE BUDGETS
WILL HANDLE AND WHAT DEGREE THEY CAN HELP EXPEDITE
THAT.
10:41:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:41:47 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR MEMO AND ALL YOUR WORK.
CRAS A LOT OF THE TIME -- MOST OF THE TIME DEAL WITH
INCOME THAT ARE LOWER INCOME, BLIGHTED, IGNORED,
MARGINALIZED.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND
A LOT OF CITY PARKS THAT NEED ACCESSIBILITY WHERE LOWER
INCOME FOLKS LIVE AND EVERYDAY WORKING PEOPLE LIVE.
AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY WISE USE OF CRA DOLLARS.
IT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT WILL MAKE THESE FAMILIES RAISING CHILDREN WITH
DISABILITIES FEEL THAT THEY ARE INVOLVED, AND THAT THEY
ARE AFFIRMED.
AND IT WILL PUT THE CRA ON THE SIDE OF ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK IF THE CRA CAN HELP CUT DOWN THAT
SIGNIFICANT MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT, THAT IT IS A
WISE USE OF CRA DOLLARS AND WHATNOT.
SO I WILL BE MAKING A MOTION ON THAT IF I WILL -- IF I
MAY, AND WHATNOT, FOR THIS TO COME BACK US TO, SAY, IN
MAYBE SIX MONTHS OR SO TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN WITH THE ANNUAL REPORTING ON THIS -- BECAUSE I
THINK THIS SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR OUR CRA WHICH IS
MAKING SURE THAT OUR PARTS HAVE ACCESSIBILITY FOR
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND WHATNOT.
IT WILL GET MORE PEOPLE TO OUR PARKS.
HELP ECONOMICALLY, BLIGHTED AREAS.
A PERFECT FIT WITH THE PURPOSE OF CRAS.
I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS, MICHELLE, BUT WE COULD TALK
ABOUT THAT.
BUT THIS IS -- DOES THIS GET BROUGHT UP TO EACH CRA
BOARD?
HOW WILL THAT WORK IN WE MADE A MOTION IN THAT REGARD?
10:43:29 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, APRIL,
MAY AND JUNE, OUR RESPECTED CACS ARE STARTING THEIR
DISCUSSION ON THEIR BUDGETS FOR FY '23.
EACH CRA MANAGER WILL BE GIVEN A DETAILED LIST FOR EACH
OF THE PARKS AND WHAT THEY NEED AND THAT WILL BE PART
OF THE DISCUSSION AT THEIR CACS AND THEY WILL VOTE ON
THAT.
AGAIN, SOME OF THE CRAS HAVE A MUCH SMALLER BUDGET AND
SURPRISINGLY BECAUSE OF THE TAMPA PARK PLAZA.
CENTRAL PARK COMES IN AS THE -- WHEN WE RANK THEM, THE
ONE WITH THE THIRD HIGHEST BUDGET AT 268.
AND THEY ONLY HAVE A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND EAST TAMPA, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PARKS BECAUSE
OF THE SIZE, AT ONE AND A HALF MILLION.
BUT THE VAST MAJORITY IS FOR UPGRADING THE ACTUAL PLAY
EQUIPMENT ITSELF AND BRING THAT ENHANCED EXPERIENCE FOR
THE YOUTH IN THE AREA.
10:44:22 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
IN CLOSING, VERY PIVOTAL INVESTMENT THAT WE CAN MAKE TO
ENSURE THAT FAMILIES AND RAISING CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL
NEEDS HAVE ACCESS TO CITY PLAYGROUNDS.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A BETTER CAUSE FOR OUR CRAS,
THANK YOU.
10:44:40 >> FOR OUR BUDGET, WE COME TO YOU IN THE SUMMER FOR OUR
PRESENTATION LIKE WHICH DO WITH THE HOUSING, WE CAN
ALSO CALL OUT SO YOU SEE FROM EACH OF THE BUDGETS HOW
MUCH WAS PUT IN THERE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ANY OF THE PARK PROJECTS TO YOU KNOW
WHAT IT IS.
10:44:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:44:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT FOR MR. VIERA MAKING SURE
THESE THINGS FOR DISABLED KIDS AND THAT -- THAT THEY
HAVE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT
THEMSELVES.
IT IS ALL OF US.
AND IN EVERY PARK, EVERY DOLLAR THAT THIS CITY SPENDS
AND I THINK WE ARE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB, ESPECIALLY
SHERISHA HILLS, THE WAY SHE IS ADDRESSING THESE THINGS.
NO MATTER IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, EAST, WEST, NORTH
AND SOUTH.
NO MATTER THE INCOME LEVEL AND WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, IF
YOU HAVE A PARK TO GO TO, LESS POTENTIAL TO GET IN
TROUBLE IN LIFE.
IF YOU DON'T GO TO THE PARK, YOU HAVE A HIGHER PERCENT
OF GETTING IN TROUBLE.
THE PARK TEACHES YOU A LOT OF THINGS.
IT TEACHES YOU TO WIN.
BEFORE YOU WIN, YOU ARE GOING TO LEARN HOW TO LOSE.
ONLY THROUGH PRACTICE, THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO WIN.
AND LOSING TEACHES YOU ONE THING, YOU GET UP AND TRY
AGAIN.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T GET UP AND TRY AGAIN, YOU ARE
ALWAYS GOING TO LOSE.
THE PARK AND RECREATION GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO PLAY
WITH PEOPLE.
TO HAVE CONVERSATION.
TO SHARE IDEAS.
TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE AREA THAT MAKES YOU AN
OUTSTANDING CITIZEN LATER ON IN LIFE.
AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED ALL OVER THE CITY
AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THE CRA IS DOING TO
ACCOMMODATE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND MAKING SURE THESE
THINGS ARE ATTAINABLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:46:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A SECOND TO COUNCILMAN VIERA'S MOTION.
10:46:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A LONG SECOND, YES, SIR.
10:46:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
RESTATE YOUR MOTION.
I WAS GOING TO TAKE THE MOTION AND THEN MAKE COMMENTS.
MAKE YOUR MOTION AGAIN, PLEASE.
10:46:34 >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, EVERYBODY -- THIS IS A DRAFT, SO
TO SPEAK, ANYBODY WITH SUGGESTIONS, ETC.
A MOTION TO STAFF TO DEDICATE FUNDS -- MICHELLE,
SHOULD WE GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC MONETARY AMOUNT.
I KNOW YOU SAID A $3 MILLION DEFICIT.
SHOULD WE LOOK TO A CERTAIN NUMBER, HALF A MILLION OR
MILLION TO HAVE MORE SPECIFICITY IN THE MOTION?
10:46:58 >> BECAUSE IT IS ACROSS VARIOUS CRAS HOW THAT WILL PLAY
OUT, BUT I PROMISE THAT OUR MANAGERS WILL LOOK WITHIN
THEIR BUDGETS.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, YBOR HAS BEEN PAYING FOR THEIR TWO
BIG PROJECTS, SO THEY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIMITED
NEXT YEAR, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK.
AND MANY OF THEN ON THE SMALLER SIDE WILL BE ABLE TO
KNOCK THEM OUT IN ONE YEAR.
10:47:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
GREAT.
MY MOTION WOULD BE TO ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT DEDICATING
FUNDS WITH OBVIOUSLY THE COOPERATION OF OUR CACS,
GETTING THEIR INPUT, ETC.
MAKING CRA PARKS ACCESSIBLE WITH EQUIPMENT FOR
PERSONS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND DISABILITIES.
I MOTION THAT THIS RETURNS TO US, LET'S SAY, IN
OCTOBER.
DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME?
10:47:44 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
WE ARE ACTUALLY COMING BACK TO
YOU IN AUGUST FOR THE BUDGET.
SO YOU WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT IN THE BUDGET.
10:47:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
THEN LET THAT HAVE COMING BACK TO US IN
AUGUST.
WHY THE HECK NOT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, DO AN ANNUAL REPORTING.
THAT IS MY MOTION.
10:48:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:48:07 >>BILL CARLSON:
I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN VIERA
FOR BRINGING THIS UP AND STAYING ON TOP OF THIS ISSUE.
NICE WE ALL HAVE OUR AREA OF EXPERTISE AND RELY ON
COUNCILMAN VIERA TO BE A CHAMPION FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
I THINK IT IS -- THREE THINGS ABOUT THIS.
ONE IS IT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE INCLUSIVE
THAT OUR PARKS AND PUBLIC FACILITIES HAVE ACCESSIBLE TO
EVERYONE JUST BECAUSE OF THE FAIRNESS ISSUE.
WE WANT EVERYBODY TO FEEL WELCOME AND INCLUSIVE IN THE
COMMUNITY.
NUMBER TWO, THE ONLINE REPUTATION OF OUR COMMUNITY AND
COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD IS PARTLY DEFINED BY
ACCESSIBILITY.
IF WE ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING
VISITORS WILL HELP OUR REPUTATION AND ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
THE THIRD THING IS THAT -- THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS.
ALTHOUGH THE CRA MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT IN CRA
DISTRICTS, THE PARKS ARE ACCESSIBLE THROUGH PEOPLE
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND PEOPLE LIKE TO CHANGE THINGS UP AND GO TO PARKS
THAT ARE NOT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE MAKING INVESTMENT THROUGH THE CRA IN A
SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
ANYBODY FROM THE CITY CAN GO AND ENJOY THESE PARKS AND
SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY CAN BENEFIT FROM.
THANK YOU.
10:49:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
10:49:24 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
ITEM NUMBER 4 IS A CULMINATION OF
SEVERAL OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTIONS REGARDING TAMPA
UNION STATION.
WE HAVE JACKSON MCQUICK ON THE LINE, I DO BELIEVE, FROM
FRIENDS OF TAMPA UNION STATION FOR A VERY BRIEF
PRESENTATION.
YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE MISS COLINA TO COME AFTER HIM WITH THE
DETAILS ON THE CITY SIDE AND TALK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.
ARE YOU THERE, JACKSON?
10:50:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU ARE MUTED, SIR.
YOU ARE STILL MUTED.
10:50:15 >> ALL RIGHT.
10:50:16 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THERE WE GO.
10:50:21 >> ALL RIGHT, FANTASTIC.
SO I AM A BOARD MEMBER AND VOLUNTEER.
I'M JACKSON MCQUIGG.
BOARD MEMBER OF FRIEND OF TAMPA UNION STATION --
10:50:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU SHARE YOUR SCREEN,
PLEASE.
10:50:37 >> YES, I HAVE SHARED MY SCREEN.
10:50:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE GET THE PRESENTATION ON OUR
SCREENS, PLEASE.
10:50:51 >> ARE YOU SEEING IT NOW?
10:50:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOT YET ON OUR SCREENS OR ON OUR
MONITORS.
CCTV, ARE YOU BACK THERE?
ONE MORE SECOND.
THANK YOU, YES, WE CAN.
PROCEED.
10:51:05 >> WONDERFUL.
ALL RIGHT.
SO AS I MENTIONED, I AM A BOARD MEMBER AND VOLUNTEER
WITH FRIENDS OF TAMPA UNION STATION.
WE ARE A NONPROFIT ALL VOLUNTEER GROUP AND WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING WITH THE TAMPA STAFF AND THE FACILITY
DEPARTMENT STAFF AMONG OTHERS ON FUTURE PLANS FOR TAMPA
UNION STATION.
A BRIEF HISTORY.
TAMPA UNION STATION IS ONE OF TAMPA'S FRONT DOORS.
THE SECOND SCREEN SHOWS SOME PRESENT CONDITIONS.
IT IS ALSO USED FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS.
IT IS ALSO THE THIRD BUSIEST AMTRAK STATION IN THE
STATE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
COVID HAS SET IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT
TRANSPORTATION FACILITY NOT ONLY FOR NOW BUT FOR THE
FUTURE AS WELL.
ON THIS THIRD SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE -- WINDOWS
THAT WERE INSTALLED DURING THE 1998 RESTORATION WHICH
WAS DONE BY A NONPROFIT GROUP CALLED TAMPA UNION
STATION PRESERVATION AND REDEVELOPMENT AS PART OF A
BROADER COMMUNITY EFFORT.
THE WINDOWS FROM THE 90S ARE FAILING.
AND AS THE SIDE INDICATES RAIN WATER LEAKS THAT HAVE
LARGELY BEEN CORRECTED INSIDE THE MAIN WAITING ROOM FOR
THE STATION; HOWEVER, THE DAMAGE THAT THE RAIN WATER
DID STILL REQUIRES CORRECTION.
AS THE NEXT SLIDE INDICATES, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL
PROBLEMS AS WELL.
THE BUILDING, CITY AND TAMPA OWNED AND MANAGED, AND THE
FACILITIES DEPARTMENT DOES A GREAT JOB OF DEALING WITH
A 110-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.
BUT IT IS A 110-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.
WE HAVE PARTS OF THE RESTORATION FROM THE 90S THAT ARE
FILING INCLUDING THE CITIES AND THE PORTE COCHERE AREA.
WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE A TERMITE INFESTATION IN THE
BUILDING THAT WILL REQUIRE TENTING AND FOR AMTRAK TO
BRIEFLY MOVE OUT TO THE TERMITES WILL BE DRIVEN AWAY.
A HIGH-LEVEL OUTLINE OF THE PAST FORWARD.
WE REALIZE WE HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW.
OBVIOUSLY THE TERMITE INFESTATION.
WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA STAFF TO ADDRESS
IMMEDIATE CONCERNS UTILIZING $1.1 MILLION IN CRA FUNDS
THAT WE WERE SO FORTUNATE TO RECEIVE FROM THE CRA.
THE CRA IS A VALUABLE RESOURCE FOR AS A MATCH FOR GRANT
OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND I AM GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT IN A LITTLE MORE
DETAIL.
CONCURRENTLY -- AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT -- THE CITY
STAFF AND OUR VOLUNTEERS, PEOPLE HAVE ALL WALKS OF LIFE
WITH A VARYING BACKGROUNDS AND TALENTS LIKE REAL ESTATE
AND ARCHITECT ON BOARD, AND A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE.
WE ARE GOING TO ALL WORK TOGETHER TO DEVELOP A
STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN FOR THE STATION.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE WILL SEEK NEW SOURCES OF
RECURRING REVENUE FOR TAMPA UNION STATION SO THE
BUILDING CAN CONTINUE TO FUNCTION AND HELP PAY FOR SOME
OF ITS OWN UPKEEP IN THE FUTURE.
THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, HIGH LEVEL, IS $2.5 MILLION IS
NECESSARY FOR THE REPAIRS AND RESTORATION OF THE
STATION, AN ESTIMATE DONE BY THE CITY OF TAMPA STAFF.
WE ALL KNOW THAT CONSTRUCTION PRICING KEEPS ESCALATING
RIGHT NOW.
AND IT IS BEYOND OUR CONTROL, SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO
EMPHASIZE THAT IS MARCH '22 FIGURES.
FUNDS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE AS I MENTIONED $1.1 MILLION
IN THE CRA FUNDS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE PROJECT.
WE ALSO HAVE $25,000 IN PRIVATE DONATIONS.
THAT'S BOTH FROM -- THERE IS AN ENDOWMENT FUND FOR THE
COMMUNITY -- AT THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION FOR THE
STATION THAT WE ESTABLISHED.
SOME OF THE INCOME FROM THAT FUND, AS WELL AS SPECIAL
EVENTS, RENTAL RECEIPTS THAT THE CITY HAS SIDE.
SO ON THE CITY'S BOOKS RIGHT NOW, IS THE SUM OF THE 1.1
PLUS THE 25.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY STARTED GRANT APPLICATIONS.
AND WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO COMPLETING A $500,000 GRANT
APPLICATION TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA DIVISION OF
HISTORIC RESOURCES, SPECIAL CATEGORY GRANT PROGRAM.
WE ALSO INTEND TO SEEK $1 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL
RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION WHICH IS PART OF U.S. DOT MONEY
THAT CAME BASICALLY OUT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE
THAT WAS PASSED BY CONGRESS.
NO ASSURANCES THAT WE WILL GET THESE GRANTS, BUT WE
WILL GIVE IT OUR BEST.
WE ALSO WILL INTEND TO SEEK PRIVATE DONATIONS,
COMMUNITY FOUNDATION GRANTS, GRANTS FROM OTHER LOCAL
FOUNDATIONS AS WELL.
THE NEXT SLIDE DISCUSSES WHAT WE INTEND TO DO WITH THAT
MASTER PLAN.
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT ENHANCEMENTS TO THE STATION.
AGAIN, IT IS A VERY ACTIVE TRAIN STATION.
AND THAT USE IS FIRST AND FOREMOST AND WILL CONTINUE
AND SPACES IN THE BUILDING THAT ARE NOT UTILIZED.
ALSO USES THAT ARE MAYBE COMING DOWN THE PIKE IN THE
FUTURE.
WE THINK THE GREAT ADDITION WILL BE A DESTINATION
COFFEE SHOP.
THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY NOT EQUIPPED FOR THAT.
IT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE.
BUSINESS WORK SPACES MAY BE MADE AVAILABLE OBVIOUSLY
FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, START-UPS.
A LOT -- THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IN
SOME OF THE UNUSED SPACES IN THE BUILDING.
WE ALSO SEEK TO FIND AT LEAST PAYING TENANTS FOR SOME
OF THE UNUSED SPACES IN THE BUILDING AS WELL.
HISTORICAL RECOGNITION IS ALSO LARGE ON OUR AGENDA.
A PROPOSAL AS YOU ALL KNOW TO DO A STATUE THAT REFLECT
A VERY LONG AND IMPORTANT HISTORY.
THE STATION HAS PLAYED IN TAMPA FAMILIES.
PLENTY OF VETERANS THAT LEFT AND CAME BACK VIA TAMPA
UNION STATION.
THE VIETNAM ERA.
WE HAVE IT DOCUMENTED AND SOME OF THOSE FOLKS DIDN'T
MAKE IT BACK.
A VERY POWERFUL STORY THAT WE WANT TO TELL.
ADDITIONAL STORIES AT THE STATION THAT WE WANT TO TELL
AS WELL.
AND, AGAIN, PASSENGER RAIL SERVICE FIRST AND FOREMOST
AS THE STATION CONTINUES TO BE A -- TAMPA RAILROAD
STATION AND AMTRAK INTENDS TO BE THERE FOR MANY YEARS
TO COME.
THESE ADDITIONAL USES WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDING,
OF COURSE, AND WILL IDENTIFY THOSE FUNDING NEEDS IN THE
MASTER PLAN.
I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE AN EXAMPLE
OF THE PROGRESS THAT WE ARE MAKING AT THE STATION WORKS
AS ONE TEAM.
THE BAGGAGE BUILDING PART OF THE 1912 STRUCTURE OF THE
STATION WAS BASICALLY IN NEED OF SOME ATTENTION.
WE HAD ROTTING WINDOWS.
THE BUILDING WASN'T PROTECTED WITH FIRE SPRINKLERS.
IT IS NOT AIR-CONDITIONED.
IT WAS BASICALLY UNUSABLE.
EVEN THOUGH OUR GROUP HAS SET UP MODEL TRAIN DISPLAYS
IN THE STATION OR EVEN IN THE BAGGAGE BUILDING DURING
TRAIN DAY EVERY YEAR.
SO WE WORK TO GET SOME FUNDS AND TO ACTUALLY OUTFIT THE
BUILDING WITH FIRE SPRINKLERS, AIR CONDITIONING,
REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
AND OUR BUDGET WAS $190,000.
VOLUNTEER TIME.
AN ARCHITECTURE EXPERT DONATED HIS TIME.
MY FATHER LEFT US SOME MONEY.
GOT FOUNDATION GRANTS AND WE HAVE A HISTORIC
PRESERVATION GRANT FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS WELL.
AND THANKS TO SOME SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AT THIS TIMELINE
ON THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT BUT WE
ARE LOOKING FOR COMPLETION IN MAY '22.
AND CELEBRATING THAT PROGRESS IN NOVEMBER 2022.
THE FOLLOWING SLIDE SHOWS THE WORK DONE IN THE BAGGAGE
BUILDING.
THE NEW WINDOWS THAT REHAB DOORS.
WE FOUND A USE FOR OLD CITY OF TAMPA STREET PAVERS.
THE BRICK FLOOR OF THE BUILDING NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL
BRICK.
BY THE WAY AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN, A SHOT OF THAT
BUILDING WITH DELIVERY DRIVERS, AND FROM 1922, THAT IS
OVER AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY NOW.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT
HAVE REGARDING THIS PRESENTATION OR THE STATION IN
GENERAL.
THANK YOU.
10:59:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
10:59:48 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, THANK YOU.
FIRST, I WANT TO THANK JACKSON.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL CAN TELL, HE LIVES IN ATLANTA
NOW AND WORKS WITH THE ATLANTA HISTORY MUSEUM.
AND WE ARE LUCKY HE HAS A PASSION AND PART OF THIS
BECAUSE HIS DAD LED THE EFFORTS IN THE '90S.
THE NONPROFIT THAT HE AND HIS DAD RAN IN THE '90S TOOK
CONTROL OF THIS PROPERTY FROM CSX AND WHEN DICK GRECO
WAS MAYOR IN THE '90S ASKED TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE
CITY.
THEY ACTUALLY RAN THE WHOLE THING BEFORE IT WENT TO THE
CITY AND RESPONSIBLE FOR RESTORING IT.
HIS DAD PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR WHICH HE ALLUDED TO AS
WELL.
THANK YOU TO HIM AND ALL THE OTHER VOLUNTEERS THERE.
AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING.
A BUILDING OWNED BY THE CITY.
IT HAS SPACE THAT IS BEING UNDERUTILIZED THAT WE CAN
USE.
IT IS IMPORTANT FOR TRANSPORTATION.
IN THE FUTURE AS WE CONTINUE TO BE MORE DENSE, THERE
WILL BE MORE USES FOR THIS HOPEFULLY, AMTRAK OR
WHATEVER, WHATEVER PROVIDER ALSO BE THERE.
OTHER THING SPATIALLY AROUND THE REGION, I HAVE SPOKEN
TO THE ENCORE PEOPLE.
WITH THE GAS WORX PEOPLE.
I SPOKEN WITH THE CHANNEL WORKS PEOPLE.
ANDY SCALIONE NEAR THE CROSSTOWN -- SORRY, SELMON.
THE BACK DOOR.
CHANNEL DISTRICT IS THE FRONT DOOR FOR ENCORE AND GAS
WORX, THE CENTER OF ALL THE MULTIDOLLAR DEVELOPMENT
GOING ON IN TAMPA OTHER THAN MIDTOWN.
A VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING AND CENTER PIECE FOR
EVERYTHING AROUND IT AND AN ANCHOR FOR THE HISTORY
GOING ON THERE AND ALL THE BIG PLAYERS ARE EXCITED OF
THIS BUILDING BEING PRESERVED AND CONTINUING AS
TRANSPORTATION HUB.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY BEING A BUSINESS INCUBATOR.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE WITH THAT.
BECAUSE FROM DOWNTOWN EAST AND NORTH, WE DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH COFFEE SHOPS WHERE YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS AND
ENTREPRENEURS OF ANY KIND CAN GO AND SET UP A LAPTOP
AND START A BUSINESS OR GET SUPPORT OF A BUSINESS.
INCUBATOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE TAMPA BAY WAVE AND OTHERS
WILL LOVE TO RENT THIS FROM US.
I AM SURE OXFORD AND OTHERS WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.
A WAY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE MONEY AND INCOME
AND TRAFFIC.
WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE ON TRAIN, DO WE WANT THE FIRST
IMPRESSION TO BE A RUNDOWN BUILDING?
OR DO WE WANT IT TO BE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING BEAUTIFULLY
RESTORED WITH ENTREPRENEURS WORK IN IT.
OTHER CITIES LIKE DENVER HAVE.
ALSO THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE JACKSON HOUSE
WHICH WE ALSO PUT MONEY IN OUR BUDGET TO SAY THE
IMPORTANCE OF THE JACKSON HOUSE AND I BELIEVE IS NOT
THE PEOPLE WHO STAY THERE, BUT TELLS MY KIDS AND OTHERS
THE STORY OF SEGREGATION WHEN AFRICAN-AMERICANS, EVEN
FAMOUS ONES, ON THEIR WAY TO CUBA BY STEAMSHIP, WHEN
ARRIVED IN TAMPA, THEY COULD ONLY STAY IN TWO PLACES.
AND ONE IS THE JACKSON HOUSE.
WE NEED TO KEEP THOSE STORIES ALIVE SO WE DON'T HAVE
POLICIES LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
YOU MENTIONED WORLD WAR II.
THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING ALSO.
MY QUESTION TO YOU, JACKSON, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE
STATUS OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW?
AND HOW SOON DO YOU THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THE INCUBATOR
OPPORTUNITY AND ALSO THE WORLD WAR II STATUE.
WHERE DO THEY STAND?
11:03:11 >> I AM SATISFIED IN WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROCESS.
THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE TO WORK WITH.
IT IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL OF US TO GET A MASTER PLAN
TOGETHER AND WE ARE GOING TO START RIGHT NOW.
AND THE FACILITY STAFF CONCURRENTLY AS WE MENTIONED
HAVE TO ADDRESS ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING.
WE ARE ROLLING AND WE ARE LOOK FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW,
COMING BACK TO Y'ALL WITH -- WITH AN UPDATE SOON.
11:03:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO OTHER QUICK THINGS.
TWO OTHER THREATS TO THIS FACILITY.
ONE IS THAT, I HEARD THAT THERE HAS BEEN TALK INSIDE
THE CITY OF MOVING THE GREYHOUND STATION TO THIS
STATION.
THERE IS NO SYNERGY WHATSOEVER WITH A TRAIN STATION AND
IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT.
SHOULD BE ALONG THE MARION STREET CORRIDOR SOMEWHERE
CLOSER TO OUR BUS SERVICES, NOT THERE.
GREYHOUND IS A COMPETITOR -- LONG DISTANCE BUS IS
COMPETITOR TO THE RAIL.
WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT THAT THERE.
IF YOU HEAR OF THAT HAPPENING, PLEASE OPPOSE IT AND
MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT.
BUT THE SECOND THING IS THAT THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY
IS LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES TO PUT A NEW RAMP
SOMEWHERE THERE AND A PIECE OF GRASS IN FRONT OF TAMPA
UNION STATION WHICH COULD BE A PLACE FOR PUBLIC ART OR
SOME KIND OF PUBLIC PURPOSE, BUT IF THE EXPRESSWAY
AUTHORITY PUTS A RAMP ON THAT, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE
TAMPA UNION STATION ANYMORE OR YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE
THE JACKSON HOUSE.
AND IT WON'T BE GOOD FOR THE FLOW AND THE CONNECTIVITY
BETWEEN CHANNEL DISTRICT AND GAS WORX AND YBOR.
I WILL ASK EVERYBODY TO WATCH OUT FOR THAT.
THANK YOU.
11:04:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:04:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THANK COUNCILMAN CARLSON, HE TOUCHED ON PRETTY MUCH
EVERYTHING I WANT TO SAY.
WITH REGARD TO SEGREGATION AND THE HISTORY OF THAT.
THE JACKSON HOUSE STILL EXISTS.
UNION STATION EXISTS.
BUT A HOTEL THAT NO LONGER EXISTS THAT WAS DEMOLISHED
10, 15, UNION STATION HOTEL OR UNION HOTEL.
IT IS A PARKING LOT NOW.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MOVIE "THE PUNISHER" I THINK THEY
SHOW IT IN THERE, BUT IT WAS A WHITE-ONLY HOTEL.
AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT COULDN'T STAY THERE, THEY WOULD
STAY AT THE JACKSON HOUSE.
THIS STRUCTURE AND ITS ARCHITECTURE IS A LIMITED
OUNT BEYOND YBOR CITY AND WEST TAMPA THE
HOWARD MAIN STREET CORRIDOR.
I THINK WE HAVE TO PROTECT THIS BUILDING AT ALL COSTS.
FOR STUDENTS OF ARCHITECTURE, PEOPLE THAT ADMIRE THAT
TIME PERIOD, THE HISTORY OF SECRETARY GREGATION AND
WHATNOT, AGAIN, PEOPLE THAT ARRIVE HERE BY TRAIN, THIS
WILL BE THEIR FIRST IMPRESSION BEYOND WHAT THEY SEE IN
THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IN DOWNTOWN AND YBOR CITY.
THEY GET HERE AND YOU WANT A NICELY MAINTAINED FACILITY
AND YOU WANT TO USE IT -- THE MAXIMUM CAPABLE.
WHETHER A HUG FOR ENTREPRENEURS OR A COFFEE SHOP OR
WHATEVER IT IS.
KEEP THAT ALIVE.
WE HAVE SEEN SO MANY BUILDS.
LOOK AT ARMATURE WORKS.
IT WAS AN EMPTY WAREHOUSE FOR YEARS AND LOOK WHAT IT
HAS BECOME.
IT IS GROWING AND THE WHOLE AREA IS GROWING BEYOND
THAT.
THIS A VERY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE IN OUR HISTORY.
I KNOW UNDER THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION IN THE '90S, THEY
RESTORE IT AND BRING IT BACK AS MUCH AS THEY COULD.
YOU SEE WATER INTRUSION THROUGH THE WINDOWS.
THROUGH LEAKS THROUGH THE CEILING AND WHATNOT.
OUR BIGGEST ENEMY, TROPICAL CLIMATE, HUMIDITY, WATER
AND THESE BUILDINGS HAVE THAT CONSTANT MAINTENANCE.
WE SO THAT HE AGAIN WITH TAMPA THEATRE NEEDS CONSTANT
MAINTENANCE.
IN YBOR CITY, OUR SOCIAL CLUBS, CENTRO ESTUIANO AND ALL
THAT STUFF.
IT IN ITS THE SAME ERA.
GLAD COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT THIS.
11:07:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA --
11:07:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU CAN CALL ME COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
NO PROBLEM.
I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. CARLSON IS DOING HERE.
I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID, ONE OF THE THINGS I
REMEMBERED BEING A KID IS EVERYBODY LIKED TRAINS.
EVERYBODY HAD A LITTLE CHOO-CHOO TRAIN AT THE HOUSE.
WHY?
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO.
THEY WOULD TAKE US TO THE TRAIN STATION AND SEE THE
CHAMPION AND SILVER METER COME IN AND LEAVE.
THAT WITH AS A BIG DEAL.
I WAS NINE YEARS OLD AND THEY BROUGHT A SPECIAL TRAIN
TO SHOW US AND I FORGET OF THE TRAIN.
A DOUBLE-DECKER AND ALL GLASS ON TOP AND BEAUTIFUL AND
WOULD LET YOU COME IN -- THOSE WILL THE THINGS I
REMEMBER GROWING UP IN YBOR CITY BECAUSE NOT TOP OF DO
GOING THROUGH THE THEATRE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND
CASCADE IAN PARK TO PLAY.
THIS WAS DONE UNDER THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION AS MR.
MANISCALCO SAID.
I WAS THERE.
TAMPA THEATRE 4-3 FOR $90,000 FOR RESTORATION.
4-3.
I APPRECIATE BEING ONE OF THE FOUR.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE IN SAVING THINGS
THAT MEAN A LOT, NOT ONLY FOR YESTERDAY BUT TODAY AND
FOR TOMORROW.
AND TRAINS WILL ALWAYS BE PART OF AMERICA, ONE WAY OR
THE OTHER.
AND THE WAY THEY ARE NOW, THE WAY THEY ARE GETTING
BETTER, MAYBE THEY WILL BE HERE FOR MANY HUNDREDS OF
YEARS TO COME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.
AND WHAT WE CAN TO DO RESTORE THIS BUILDING.
11:08:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:08:34 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I WANT TO THANK YOU COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WHEN YOU MENTIONED GARY MERINO.
SUCH A GREAT GUY.
AS AN ATTORNEY, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK IT UP HOW FAR THE
GEORGE EDGECOMB COURTHOUSE IS FROM THIS.
A LOT OF YOUNG ATTORNEYS WHO GO TO COURT.
AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG PUBLIC DEFENDER AND WHO ARE
HERE AND THIS ISN'T THAT FAR AWAY.
IF THEY NEED TO PREPARE FOR CRAM FOR COURT, THIS COULD
IN THE FUTURE PROVIDE A VERY GOOD VIABLE PLACE FOR THEM
TO GO AND WHATNOT.
I WOULD SAY ON TOP OF THE JACKSON HOUSE, GEORGE
EDGECOMB PERSPECTIVELY.
I WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW FAR AWAY IT IS.
I DON'T THINK IT IS THAT FAR.
THAT IT WILL BE A GOOD RESOURCE.
100% SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
I THINK THIS IS A MARVELOUS ENDEAVOR FOR US TO TAKE.
AND IF WE SHOULD GO RAPIDLY AND AGGRESSIVELY ON THIS.
THIS IS GREAT THING.
THANK YOU.
11:09:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE.
11:09:31 >> GOOD MORNING, ADRI COLINA.
CONGRATULATIONS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
JACKSON DID AN AMAZING JOB THIS MORNING.
HE COVERED EVERYTHING VERY, VERY WELL AND I WANT TO THANK
THE CRA FOR THE $1.1 MILLION INVESTMENT.
AND I ALSO WANT TO APPLAUD THE FRIENDS OF UNION STATION
AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WALK INTO THAT BUILDING -- MY STAFF
DID A COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT WHAT IS NEEDED RIGHT
NOW, THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF THAT BUILDING.
THERE IS A FEELING YOU GET WHEN YOU WALK INTO THAT
BUILDING.
AND WE DO NEED TO PRESERVE IT.
THAT $1.1 MILLION.
WE LOOKED AT THE TOP TWO THINGS WE NEED TO DO, THE
TERMITE.
WE NEED TO TENT IT AND PROTECT IT FROM THAT AND WINDOWS
AND DOORS BEHIND THAT.
THAT WILL TAKE UP A GOOD CHUNK OF THE $1.1 MILLION
SIMULTANEOUSLY AND WILL BE APPLYING FOR GRANTS AND LOOK
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NEXT.
BUT THE REALITY IS, BETWEEN THE GRANTS AND THE SUPPLY
CHAIN ISSUES, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE END OF 2024, THE
BEGINNING OF 2025.
WE WANT TO MINIMIZE OUR IMPACT TO AMTRAK AND KEEP THE
STATION GOING WHILE WE DO ALL THIS WORK.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE ARE.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT AND I AM EXCITED AND
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR BRINGING THIS UP, AND
FOR THE TEAM WORKING TOGETHER.
11:10:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY
INVOLVED FOR THIS REPORT.
AND I AM GLAD WE COULD HELP SAVE THIS HISTORIC
BUILDING.
ANYTHING ELSE?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:10:57 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
THANK YOU, ADRI AND THANK YOU ALSO TO CHIEF OF STAFF
FOR BEING INVOLVED IN THIS TOO.
BECAUSE IT INVOLVES MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.
NOT JUST ONE.
AN IMPORTANT PROJECT.
COULD I MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THIS BACK IN THE OCTOBER
MEETING JUST SO WE CAN GET ANOTHER UPDATE.
11:11:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:11:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
11:11:37 >> THANK YOU.
11:11:40 >> GOOD MORNING, CEDRIC MCCRAY, EAST TAMPA CRA
MANAGER.
BRING UP THE PRESENTATION.
AND AT THE JANUARY 20TH MEETING, THE CHAIR AND
VICE-CHAIR OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA SHARED WITH YOU SOME
CONCERNS THEY HAD AS IT RELATES TO EAST TAMPA AND THE
MOVEMENT OF PROJECTS AND PROCESSES.
AND HERE JUST TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THOSE SIX OR
SEVEN ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED AT THAT TIME.
CAN WE BRING UP NUMBER 5, PLEASE.
PRESENTATION.
NUMBER 5.
11:12:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAC, ARE YOU BACK THERE?
EXCUSE ME, CCTV, ARE YOU BACK THERE?
11:13:29 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT WE SEE A
PICTURE OF A BIG GRANITE MOUNTAIN WITH ONE PERSON --
TWO PEOPLE FAR AWAY CLIMBING UP IT WITH PICK AXES OR
SOMETHING.
IT LOOKS SCARY.
11:13:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT, TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.
ANYBODY WATCHING "KILLING EVE?"
11:14:03 >> WHAT IS IT?
11:14:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A GREAT PROGRAM.
BRITISH, BBC.
11:14:08 >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
I WANTED TO -- WANT TO SALUTE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR
WONDERFUL -- YOUR HANDWRITE SOMETHING BY FAR THE BEST
HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL NOTICED THAT.
11:14:22 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I AM A FORMER
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER.
11:14:25 >>LUIS VIERA:
IT SHOWS.
I NOTICE $THAT.
11:14:33 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WENT HALFWAY THROUGH AND I SAID MAYBE
I SHOULD START DOING LYNN AND MAYBE TRANSFER TO THAT
11:14:42 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T THEY TEACH KIDS CURSIVE ANYMORE.
11:14:43 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT TIME.
AND I DID IT AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR AND YOU
TREAT IT AS A --
11:14:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND START THE
CONVERSATION.
WE CAN COME BACK TO -- MOVE FORWARD AND COME BACK TO
IT.
11:15:02 >> I WILL SKIP ARM TO THE EASIEST ONES.
NUMBER 8 IS A FACADE GRANT IN WEST TAMPA.
A WONDERFUL OLD HISTORIC BUILDING RIGHT THERE ON
ARMENIA --
11:15:13 >> NUMBER 8, I BELIEVE --
11:15:17 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
SORRY, NUMBER 8 IS THE -- IS THE
SCHEDULE FOR THE CRA MEETINGS.
WE ARE ASKING TO YOU FORMALLY ADOPT YOUR MEETING
SCHEDULE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
AND WE WILL THEN BEGIN TO TURN AROUND PER STATE STATUTE
AND ADVERTISE AS REQUIRED, AND WE WILL DO IT ON
QUARTERLY OR SIX-MONTH BASIS.
11:15:34 >> MOTION.
11:15:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:15:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS.
11:15:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:15:43 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:15:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:15:47 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:15:48 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:15:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:15:54 >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
11:15:56 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
SORRY, USED TO THE FACADE GRANT
GRANTSING FIRST.
NUMBER 9 IS FACADE GRANT FOR WEST.
2109 NORTH OR MEAN I CAN'T.
A CORNER BUILDING SITTING VACANT AND THIS FACADE GRANT
WILL HELP IT ADDRESS SOME OF THE DILAPIDATION OF THE
BRICKWORK AND SO FORTH.
11:16:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:16:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT BUILDING IS THIS?
THE ONE THEY TOOK OFF THE STUCCO AND BRICK AND
MULTICOLORED.
11:16:25 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
RED.
PART OF IT IS WHITE -- RED BRICK AND WHITE ON TOP.
11:16:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE
TALKING ABOUT.
THANK YOU.
11:16:33 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
YOU SHOULD HAVE A PICTURE IN YOUR
PACKET THAT YOU --
11:16:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT THE BRICK WAS COVERED FOR A
LONG TIME.
11:16:42 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
YES.
11:16:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:16:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T NORMALLY VOTE FOR FACADE
GRANT.
BUT UNTIL IT IS A HISTORIC.
11:16:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:16:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
11:16:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:16:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:17:01 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:17:02 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:17:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:17:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:17:08 >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
11:17:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE OUR SCREENS UP IN FRONT OF US
IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK.
AND WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM 5 SO FAR.
11:17:26 >> GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, CEDRIC MCCRAY, CRA MANAGER EAST
TAMPA.
SHOWED A FEW MOMENTS AGO CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED
BY MEMBERS OF THE CAC AS IT RELATES TO PROGRESS IN EAST
TAMPA AND PROGRAMMING.
JUST HERE TO PROVIDE SOME UPDATES ON THOSE ITEMS THAT
WERE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION ON JANUARY 20 OF 2022.
AN OWNER-OCCUPIED REHABILITATION PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN
SUBMITTED TO PURCHASING.
THAT PROGRAM CURRENTLY NOW IS UNDER REVIEW AND
PREPROPOSAL DATE SET BY PURCHASING ONCE THE RFP PACKAGE
IS COMPLETE.
WE HAVE ALMOST WEEKLY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
REPRESENTATIVE IN PURCHASING, EITHER MYSELF OR OUR NEW
STAFF MEMBER, MISS VANESSA ROSS.
TO HELP LOW AND MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES FOR INTERIOR
AND EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY THE PROGRAM
WAS DEVELOPED LAST SUMMER.
PROBABLY RIGHT BEFORE MY ARRIVAL.
AND THERE WAS SOME -- SOME CONVERSATIONS AND TWEAKS TO
THE PROGRAM IN THE LATTER PART OF NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
AND IT WAS SUBMITTED AGAIN TO PURCHASING IN JANUARY.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING HERE IN VERY SHORT ORDER.
AND IT WILL BE OUT AND ADVERTISED.
11:18:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:18:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT IS THE SHORT ORDER.
HEARING AND HEARING THE PROCESS.
HEARING AND HEARING.
11:18:50 >> YES, SIR.
11:18:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOT TO BE SOME END POINT FOR A DATE.
IT HAS BEEN THERE A WHILE.
THIS BODY NEEDS TO KNOW WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE
COMPLETED AND THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO KNOW.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT ESPECIALLY
WITH OUR HOUSING CRISIS INFORMATION.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE HOLD UP.
11:19:08 >> YES.
WE -- I AM -- I AM SURE THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF THINGS
THEY ARE WORKING ON.
AND I EXPRESSED THE IMPORTANCE TO THE CITY STAFF AS IT
RELATES TO THAT.
I AM HOPING AND PRAYING THAT IT WILL BE WITHIN THE NEXT
30 DAYS.
11:19:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM HOPEFUL TOO AND HOUSING IS A
SITUATION RIGHT NOW.
YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN AND -- THIS IS
A TOP PRIORITY FOR THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
AND, AGAIN -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I SEE THE FRUSTRATION OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CAC
BECAUSE MY FRUSTRATION TOO THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN
COMPLETED A LONG TIME AGO.
I AM HOPING TO GET A DEFINITIVE ANSWER SOON BECAUSE THE
COMMUNITY IS REALLY BEGGING FOR THIS PROGRAM.
11:19:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:19:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS,
ESPECIALLY FROM EAST TAMPA.
AS I SAID THREE DIFFERENT CHAIRS WHO DIDN'T ALWAYS
AGREE WITH EACH OTHER AND WE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
I WOULD JUST REMIND MY COLLEAGUES AND THE PUBLIC THAT
THE CRA IS A SEPARATE ORGANIZATION AND NOT A PART OF
THE CITY.
THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY AN OUTSOURCE AGREEMENT
WITH THE CITY AND WE HAVE OUR OWN STAFF, BUT IF IT IS A
BUILDING LIKE TAMPA UNION STATION THAT IS OWNED BY THE
CITY, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH IT.
TO THE EXTENT A PROGRAM THAT ISN'T DIRECTLY INVOLVED
WITH CITY STAFF, IF WE ARE NOT GETTING THE PERFORMANCE
WE WANT, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE RENEWAL
REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OUTSOURCE AGREEMENT AND WE HAVE TO
FILE OUR PROTEST ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE -- NOT TO BRING UP SUBJECTS IN
THE MEDIA, BUT SOME THINGS ARE NOT PRIORITIZED.
AND CERTAIN PROPOSALS BY CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE NOT
PRIORITIZED.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING FOR -- FOR ANY PARTICULAR PERSON
ON THIS BOARD.
SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN.
HAS BEEN ASKING FOR AND IF CITY STAFF ARE NOT WILLING
TO MOVE FORWARD, WHAT I WILL DO IS FOR SURE INCLUDED IN
THE REVIEW OF THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY, WE ALSO
SHOULD LOOK AT OUTSOURCING.
SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED ALL OF IT OR A PART OF IT TO GO
THROUGH THE CITY, LET'S OUTSOURCE TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
WE CAN DO THAT.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT.
WE DON'T NEED TO PUT EVERYTHING WITH THE CITY OR WE
NEED TO TELL THE CITY THAT WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE THEIR
BUDGET IF THEY DON'T MOVE FORWARD AND GET THINGS DONE.
THANK YOU.
11:21:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
11:21:30 >> I WANT TO MAKE ONE -- SO YOU UNDERSTAND.
A STATE STATUTE THAT DOES REQUIRE THAT CRAS GO THROUGH
THE SAME PURCHASING PROCESS THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
THAT WE ARE ATTACHED.
11:21:42 >>BILL CARLSON:
I UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE CAN HIRE OUR
OWN -- THE ARGUMENT IS OUR CITY GIVES YOU FREE SERVICES
AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE BOUND TO THIS AND WE DON'T GET
PROGRESS.
WHEN WE STARTED A HUGE BUDGET IN THE EAST TAMPA CAC
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR -- DISTRICT THAT SHOULD HAVE
BEEN SPENT.
AND NOW MORE THAN A MILLION THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THE
UPDATE THAT IS IN THAT DISTRICT.
IN AN AREA THAT NEEDS MONEY FOR LOTS OF THINGS,
SHOULDN'T BE HELD UP.
IF -- IF IT IS THAT PART OF OUR OUTSOURCE AGREEMENT
THAT THE CITY STAFF CANNOT HANDLE IT BECAUSE WORKING ON
THE MAYOR'S PRIORITIES, WE NEED TO HIRE OUR OWN STAFF
TO DO THIS.
SOMEHOW WE NEED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE OUR
ECONOMIC NUMBERS WILL ALWAYS BE BAD.
BAD FOR 11 YEARS NOW.
WE DID NOT SUCCESSFULLY COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES PULL
OUT OF THE GREAT RECESSION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ADDRESS
THESE ISSUES AND WE ARE GOING TO GET BLAMED FOR IT AND
THIS MAYOR WILL GET A BLAME BECAUSE -- SINCE WE HAVE
100% POWER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A 100% RESPONSIBILITY ON
THIS.
WE HAVE GOT -- THE BUCK STOPS CAN US AND MAKE SURE THAT
IT GETS DONE.
HOWEVER IT GETS DONE.
AND ASK THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS
TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO EXPEDITE THESE THINGS.
NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT THE PUBLIC COMES TO US EVERY WEEK
ASKING WHYIER NOT DOING THINGS.
WE HAVE ADDED STAFF TO TRY TO GET IT DONE.
IF CITY STAFF IS NOT WORKING WITH US AND THEY ARE NOT
NECESSARY, THEN LET'S OUTSOURCE TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
THANK YOU.
11:23:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MCCRAY, PLEASE CONTINUE.
11:23:12 >> THANK YOU.
NEXT SLIDE.
THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT THE AGENDAS AND ITEMS BE
SUBMITTED FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE.
I CAN TELL YOU PROBABLY WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WE
HAVE BEEN SENDING AGENDA ITEMS OUT WITHIN SEVEN DAYS
MORE THAN LIKELY.
THERE IS SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT GO THE CHAIR AND
MYSELF WITH IT RELATES TO THE AGENDA AND FORMATTING.
A GREAT MAJORITY OF TIME, WE HAVE GOTTEN THE AGENDA
ITEMS OUT WITHIN SEVEN DAYS TO ALLOW THE CAC MEMBERS
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ATTENDING THE PARTNERSHIP
MEETINGS TO HAVE TIME TO REVIEW AND SEE WHAT IS ON THE
AGENDA.
AND INCLUDED IN THAT, WE HAVE THE AGENDA ITSELF, THE
MINUTES, SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES WHEN THEY ARE SUBMITTED.
ANY PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD
TO THE CAC AND PARTNERSHIP.
BEGAN TO INCLUDE THE ACTUAL BUDGET ON A MONTHLY BASIS
FOR REVIEW.
AND THE OVERALL MEETING SCHEDULE.
AND THAT GOES OUT EVERY MONTH FOR THE UPCOMING MEETINGS
AND EVEN WHEN I'M HERE FOR THE CAC PRESENTATIONS, I
ALWAYS HAVE AND HAVE TRADITIONALLY HAVE THE UPCOMING
MEETINGS DATES AND TIMES ON THAT POWERPOINT SLIDE FOR
THE REVIEW, FOR THE COMMITTEE.
11:24:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:24:33 >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE
COMMUNITY ALREADY THAT THIS IS NOT COMING OUT WITHIN
FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT -- THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE
AGENDAS SENT TO US AS WELL SO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
GETTING IT ON TIME.
11:24:50 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
IF YOU ARE NOT RECEIVING IT, WE CAN MAKE SURE YOU ARE
ON THE E-MAIL LIST.
11:24:57 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
11:25:02 >> ABSOLUTELY.
NEXT SLIDE.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF AS IT RELATES TO THE VACANT
POSITIONS.
THERE WE GO.
AS YOU KNOW, WE IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS HIRED A
COUPLE MORE PEOPLE.
MISS VANESSA ROSS, WHO COMES TO US FROM ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE AND HOUSING FROM ANOTHER
MUNICIPALITY.
AND WE ALSO HAVE HIRED MISS BEA PARKS, A FORMER CITY
EMPLOYEE.
SHE HAS HOUSING EXPERIENCE AND ASSISTING NEWS
COMMUNICATIONS BUT SHE HAS A LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE AND
UNDERSTANDING IN THAT ARENA AS WELL AND WE WILL BE
PARTNERING AND WORKING AMONGST OURSELVES AS A STAFF AND
COMMUNITY TO MOVE SOME THINGS ALONG.
AND ALSO HAVE GRANT WRITING EXPERIENCE AS WELL.
AND THAT IS HOW WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
MISS ROSS STARTED IN JANUARY.
MISS PARKS STARTED IN MARCH.
AND MR. BURKES IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
11:26:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:26:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK IT IS GREAT BECAUSE I KNOW
BEA HAS EXPERIENCE AND A GREAT ASSETS THAT SHE CAN KIND
OF HELP OUT.
I APPLAUD YOU ON THAT.
I THINK THE CONCERN OF YOUR BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY IS
THAT, WHEN YOU TALK OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HAVING
SOMEBODY WITH EXPERTISE AND EYES TO REALLY LOOK AT THE
DEVELOPMENT OF BUSINESSES, DEVELOPMENT OF THE
COMMUNITY.
WE GOT MISS VANESSA AS YOUR HOUSING, BUT THEY ARE
ASKING THEY NEED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICER.
TO GET IT MOVING TO FORESEE AND LOOK AT PROJECTS AND
GET THOSE THINGS MOVING.
I DON'T SEE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE UPSET ABOUT MOSTLY
THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OF REJUVENATE EAST
TAMPA INTO A BUSINESS HUB OF NEBRASKA.
YOUR 22ND, 29TH, SOMEONE WHO HAS THE SKILL TO SAY THIS
NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED.
THIS -- THIS CAN BE BUILT INTO THIS.
YOU CAN PUT YOUR MONEY INTO THIS TO GET THAT IMPACT
THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
SOMETHING THAT DOWN THE ROAD THE TEEN NEEDS TO BE
LOOKING AT IF THAT IS NEEDED AND THEY WANT THAT.
I BELIEVE THEY DO.
THEY WANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALSO.
WHO KNOWS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THAT IS KEY.
NOT A PLANNER.
A PLANNER DOESN'T DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
A TOTAL DIFFERENT STRATEGY WITH THAT.
SO I THINK DOWN THE ROAD, THAT IS THE CONVERSATION I
HAVE BEEN HEARING.
I THINK THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE
WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, THEY BUILT
THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HUB SOMEWHERE.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
11:27:50 >> YES, SIR.
11:27:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:27:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME AND I DON'T
KNOW THAT I HAVE SAID THAT SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN BACK,
AND I AM VERY HAPPY THAT YOU ARE BACK.
WE NEED FOR SOMEONE TO UNDERSTAND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
NOT JUST REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
IN THIS CITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MEANS TWO THINGS:
MAJOR REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND SUBSIDIZE
OUT-OF-STATE COMPANIES WITH CHEAP LAND AND CHEAP LABOR.
WHAT WE NEED IS TO REALLY HELP ENTREPRENEURIAL GROWTH
IN EAST TAMPA.
HELP PEOPLE START BUSINESSES, HELP THEM SUSTAIN
BUSINESSES, HELP THEM GROW THEIR BUSINESSES OUTSIDE
EAST TAMPA AND HELP ENTREPRENEURS THAT WILL MAKE SENSE
FOR THEM TO BE LOCATED THERE.
AND SO WHAT WE NEED IS SOMEBODY THAT REALLY UNDERSTANDS
THAT.
WHAT WE DON'T NEED IS WHEN WE STARTED THREE YEARS AGO,
THERE WAS, I THINK, $3 MILLION IN THIS BANK ACCOUNT.
IT LOOKED LIKE THE LAST ADMINISTRATION WAS BANKING THE
MONEY TO SUBSIDIZE A BIG GENTRIFICATION PROCESS.
WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE THE WINN-DIXIE AND PUT IN A BIG
MALL OR BIG BOX DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WILL SUBSIDIZE.
WE NEED A GRASS-ROOTS EFFORT TO HELP BUSINESSES START
BUSINESSES AND BUILD UP THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD THE
INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THAT -- THAT ACTIVITY AND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL CENTERS OPINION THANK YOU.
11:29:08 >> NEXT SLIDE.
SO AS IT RELATES TO THE GRANT PROGRAMMING, WE LISTED
OUT IN THE SLOT POWERPOINT AS IT RELATES TO THE MINI
GRANT, OWNER-OCCUPIED.
THERE WERE FOUR GRANTS APPROVED BY THE CRA BOARD LAST
MONTH.
AND THEN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS ONES THAT WE HAD ON
RECORD FOR QUITE A WHILE, THE FACADE GRANT, THE EAST
TAMPA DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR
GRANTS IN DISCUSSIONS, BUT WE WILL BE HAVING THE
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE EAST TAMPA CAC.
11:29:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THE ALLEY ON THAT?
11:29:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZE $.
11:29:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THE ALLEY ON THAT?
11:29:58 >> YES, I HAVE BEEN GIVEN A REPORT THAT WAS DONE --
ACTUALLY LAST YEAR 2021 ON EAST TAMPA ALLEYWAYS
RECENTLY.
AND WE ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS OVER THE -- ABOUT AN
OVERLAY.
AND HAD OUR LAST MEETING LAST TUESDAY AT THE EAST TAMPA
PARTNERSHIP MEETING ON THAT EVENING.
AND WE ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT -- ABOUT THE
ALLEYWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND KIND OF EXPLAINING AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS
WITH RESIDENTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET
WORKSHOPS THAT WE WILL BE HAVING NEXT MONTHS OR SO.
PRETTY SURE THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, GOING
THROUGH THE BUDGET AND FIGURING OUT WHAT LINE ITEMS WE
WANT TO ALLOCATE TOWARD AND HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD
IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
11:30:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
11:30:44 >> NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OKAY.
HIRING.
SPECIALIZED CONSULTANTS TO HOLD WORKSHOPS AND DEDICATED
TO DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE BEEN AND DISCUSSING THE NATURE OF WORK AS IT
RELATES TO CONSULTANTS, DEFINING THE HOUSING PROGRAM.
SOMETHING WE LOOK FORWARD DOING DURING THIS BUDGET
PROCESS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS WITHIN THE FY
'22 BUDGET.
AND SUBCOMMITTEES.
AND WE ARE WORKING WITH SUBCOMMITTEES TO DO THAT.
THE SUBCOMMITTEES FOR THE MOST PART ARE VERY ACTIVE.
AND WE HAVE EIGHT SUBCOMMITTEES.
I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY MORE THAN ALL OF THE CRAS
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO WE HAVE QUITE A FEW.
AND STAFF HAVE BEEN MEETING AND PARTICIPATING AND
ENGAGING AND INFORMING AND BRINGING INFORMATION BACK TO
THEM DURING THAT PROCESS OF MEETING.
WE ALSO HAVE BEEN RECENTLY APPROACHED AND HAD
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BLOOMBERG FOUNDATION AND THEY
HAVE TAKEN AN INTEREST INTO EAST TAMPA AND LOOKING AT
SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES AND CORRIDORS TO MAKE
SUGGESTIONS ON THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE MOVING FORWARD.
11:31:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:32:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO EXPRESS AND HAVE CONCERN OF
BLOOMBERG'S INVOLVEMENT.
THEM BEING INVOLVED IN THE CRA.
IF THE MAYOR WANTS THEM INVOLVED IN THE CITY, THAT IS
FINE.
WE WILL LOOK AT REPORTS.
STRONGLY OBJECT TO THEM BEING PART OF CRA, YOU,
MICHELLE, NICOLE, YOU HAVE GREAT EXPERTISE.
WE DON'T NEED TO LISTEN TO SOMEBODY FROM OUT OF STATE
TO TELL US WHAT TOO DO.
I HAVE BEEN A CONSULTANT IN OTHER PLACES AND HIRED
CONSULTANTS FROM OTHER PLACES, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE
DON'T -- I THINK THERE IS TOO MUCH INFLUENCE AND TOO
MUCH CONTROL BY ONE ORGANIZATION.
AND WE ARE GETTING ONE PHILOSOPHY POINT OF VIEW WHEN --
WHEN YOU ALL KNOW BEST PRACTICES.
YOU JUST COME BACK FROM WORKING IN ANOTHER PLACE.
YOU KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE NEED TO -- WE CAN READ THEIR REPORTS, BUT SHOULD NOT
JUST TAKE WHATEVER THEY GIVE US AND MOVE FORWARD WITH
IT BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST IN OUR COMMUNITY AND
LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES FROM AROUND THE WORLD ALREADY.
THANK YOU.
11:32:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.
11:32:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:32:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT SCARES ME.
WE KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE KNOW WHAT EAST TAMPA IS LIKE.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO COME IN AND BE A TAKEOVER AND
OVERRULE THE PEOPLE.
AND WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR AND WHAT THEY WANT.
I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE BLOOMBERG PROJECT, BUT
I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO COME IN EAST TAMPA AND CRA
TELLING US WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE DONE WHEN WE KNOW SOME
OF THE THINGS WE DO NEED.
I AM KIND OF LEERY ABOUT THAT.
AND MAKE PEOPLE LEERY WHEN THEY HEAR "BLOOMBERG."
COMING TO TAKE OVER.
GENTRIFICATION.
BUZZWORDS.
A BIG BUZZWORD IN THE EAST TAMPA CRA BLOOMBERG COMING
INTO EAST TAMPA AND DOING A STUDY.
WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS OF THAT.
11:33:43 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
UNDERSTOOD.
OKAY.
AND LAST SLIDE WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGETS AND
PROJECTS.
THESE ARE PROPOSED DATES FOR OUR UPCOMING BUDGET
WORKSHOPS.
MAY BE TWO OF THEM THAT WOULD BE ADJUSTED.
FOUND OUT YESTERDAY THAT THE FACILITY WE NORMALLY USE
REGAN PARK WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE AND WE WILL MAKE THOSE
DATES -- HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CAC IN THE
UPCOMING MAY MEETING.
ALSO AS IT RELATES TO THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, THE OTHER
TEN THAT WILL BE HELD.
THE PLAN IS TO GO LINE BY LINE.
AND WE WILL LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
IF IT IS MORE MONEY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE WANT TO
ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS.
WE WILL DISCUSS OTHER THINGS THAT THE CAC OR THE
COMMUNITY MAY NOT BE AWARE OF OR REQUIREMENTS THAT WE
ARE BOUND BY FINANCIALLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE THE BUDGET TO
THEM AND BEING PRESENTED TO YOU AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME
LATER THIS SUMMER.
11:34:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
MR. MCCRAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:50 >> MY PLEASURE.
NOT A PROBLEM.
THANK YOU.
11:35:01 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
GIVEN MANY OF THE COMMENTS IN THE
PAST TWO AND A HALF HOURS, I WILL ASK TO DO MY
DIRECTOR'S REPORT BEFORE THE STAFF, SO WE CAN SORT OF
WRAP UP AND COALESCE A LOT OF WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT, WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING AND SORT OF.
AGAIN, BRING THIS ALL TOGETHER.
I WASN'T QUITE KNOWING THAT WHEN I PUT MY REPORT
TOGETHER THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE QUITE SO -- I KIND OF
LOOK LIKE I HAD SOME SORT OF TAROT READER TO TELL ME
WHAT I SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
BEFORE BY INTO THE POWERPOINT, ON THE BLACKBERG, JUST
WITHIN TEN MINUTES AGO, IT WAS JUST TOLD TO CRA AND
EARLIER THIS THE MORNING THAT WE NEED MORE STAFF.
WE NEED TO GET CONSULTANT.
WE NEED TO GET CONSULTANTS AND WE HAVE MONEY IN THE
BUDGET TO HIRE CONSULTANTS TO HELP TELL US AND ADVISE
US ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES, ON REDEVELOPING
PROPERTIES.
SO THE TWO THINGS WHEN I WAS OFFERED ASSISTANCE BY
BLOOMBERG THINK THAT TOLD THEM THAT I CAN SEE A BIG
HELP WITH IN EAST TAMPA THAT WE DID NOT GET THE GRANT
FOR THE SMART INSTITUTE.
AND THERE IS STILL TALK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
SO WE ASKED THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THEY WOULD COME AND
BRING THEIR CLUSTER AND THE MANUFACTURING AND HELP WORK
WITH THE CAC AND USF ON OUR BEHALF TO WORK AS PART OF
COALITION AS WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON SO MANY OTHER
ISSUES.
ONE OF THE TWO ITEMS WE ASKED FOR.
THE SECOND ONE TO PUT MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR WAS LAND
ACQUISITION AND LOOK AT CORRIDORS AND COMMERCIAL
CORRIDORS AND WHAT ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO ACQUIRE
PROPERTIES THAT ARE VACANT, DILAPIDATED, EITHER TO
KNOCK A BUILDING DOWN OR TO REHAB IT AND TURN SOMETHING
INTO IT.
SO I ASKED THEM.
AND THIS IS NOT A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT.
IT WILL NOT BE IN EAST TAMPA FOR THREE YEARS, BUT THEY
WILL COME IN, HAVE WORKSHOPS, LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY
WHICH PRIORITIES, CORRIDORS ARE PRIORITIES AND THEY
WILL LOOK AT, WHAT WOULD LOOK LIKE PRIME OPPORTUNITIES
AND THEY WOULD COME BACK FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THEY BRING US, AGAIN, LIKE ANY
OTHER CONSULTANT AND ESPECIALLY THIS, MAKING
RECOMMENDATIONS.
HERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM, YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT
THAT'S A DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO, THEN AS YOU SAID, WE
IGNORE IT.
BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN FREE ADVICE AND HAVE EXTRA MANPOWER
WITH EXPERIENCE THAT CAN COME IN AND MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO US WHILE WE ARE FOCUSED ON DOING
THESE OTHER THINGS, EVEN WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO PAY
MONEY TO GET OUR OWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT -- AS WE
TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE PERSON THAT WAS A
BIG FOCUS FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES AND FOR THE CAC.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN START ON THE GROUND
RIGHT NOW.
SO, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT HAVING THEM TELL US WHAT TO DO.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR THEIR IDEAS AND OPTIONS AND WHAT
THEY SEE WITH THEIR UNDERSTANDING AND ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT BACKGROUND.
11:38:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:38:11 >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE INVOLVED
AS WELL.
THE CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY POLITICAL SLANDER AND
AGENDA, AND THEY MAY BE WORKING WITH CITIES AROUND THE
WORLD.
A LOT OF CONSULTANTS WORKING WITH CITIES AROUND THE
WORLD AND FIND ONE THAT SPECIALLIZE IN KINDS OF THE
THINGS WE WANT.
THE FIRST I MET YOU.
YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN EAST TAMPA.
YOU STUDIED IT.
OFF MASTER'S DEGREE IN IT.
AND NICOLE JUST CAME FROM A VERY SUCCESSFUL CASE STUDY
IN LAKELAND.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE REGULARLY STUDYING BEST
PRACTICES AND NOT FULLY UTILIZING CAPABILITY OF OUR OWN
I'M.
AND WHAT -- WHAT THE GAP IS, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE
COMMUNITY, THE PROCESS THAT MR. CITRO TALKED ABOUT THIS
MORNING FOR OTHER -- FOR WEST TAMPA AND OTHER -- WE
NEED TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
LOOK AT THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT NEEDS
TO BE DONE AND THEN -- AND THEN APPROVE PROJECTS
RELATED TO THAT.
WE ARE ALL, I THINK, GEEKS ON THIS AND STUDYING IT ALL
THE TIME.
MY FEAR BY THE WAY.
YOU TALK OF CORRIDORS.
IT IS NOT ABOUT HOW PEOPLE INTERACT WITH IT, IT IS
ABOUT REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND AS AN EXAMPLE, BOSTON COMMUNITY CAPITAL, THEY BUILT
SHOP HOUSES AND ON THE -- ON THE TOPIC OF AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND ON THE BOTTOM IS SUBSIDIZED SPACE FOR
ENTREPRENEURS.
SOMETIME TAKE AN EQUITY STAKE IN THE BUSINESS THEY ARE
SUBSIDIZING WITH THE RENT.
BUT THAT PROVIDES SPACE FOR -- FOR ENTREPRENEURS TO SET
UP.
NO -- OTHER THAN OPEN CAFE, NO MAIN COFFEE SHOP IN THE
CORE OF EAST TAMPA.
THE TECH COMMUNITY SAID IF WE HAVE STARBUCKS WE CAN
BUILD UP OUR TECH AND BLOODY BREW AND BLIND TIGER AND
ALL KINDS OF OTHERS.
WE NEED WE NEED TO PROMOTE ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP.
WE NEED TRAINING PROGRAMS.
WE NEED TO SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE START BUSINESSES AND
PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO DO IT.
COFFEE SHOPS FOR THEM TO GET THE ORIGINAL IDEAS AND
ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND CAPITAL AND THAT RADICALLY
TRANSFORM.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND DOWNTOWN ST.
PETE.
WHY PEOPLE COME FROM DOWNTOWN ST. PETE AND DOWNTOWN
TAMPA AND SAY A LOT OF GREAT BUILDING AND NOT ENOUGH
ACTIVITY, BECAUSE DOWNTOWN ST. PETE STARTED WITH THE
SOFTWARE, THE ORGANIC GROWTH HOW PEOPLE INTERACT WITH
SPACES INSTEAD OF BUILDINGS.
TAMPA JUST SUBSIDIZES BIG BUILDINGS WITHOUT LOOKING AT
HOW PEOPLE WILL INTERACT WITH THEM.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EAST TAMPA IS ABOUT LISTENING
TO THE PEOPLE THERE, LISTENING TO THE BUSINESSES AND
HELPING TO BUILD QUALITY OF LIFE IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND
BUILDING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE ENTREPRENEURS CAN
SUCCEED.
WE DON'T NEED SOMEBODY COMING IN SAYING, YOU KNOW,
PARIS HAS A BIG BOULEVARDS, SO WE NEED TO BUILD
FRENCH-THEMED BUILDINGS ALONG -- ALONG HILLSBOROUGH
AVENUE SO WE WILL PROVIDE A NEW KIND OF GATEWAY TO EAST
TAMPA.
11:41:03 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I WASN'T QUITE EXPECTING A PARIS
FLARE FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IF IT IS THE
PLEASURE OF THE BOARD THAT I DENY THEIR FREE SERVICES,
I WILL DO THAT.
11:41:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:41:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I NEVER TAKE NOTHING AWAY THAT IS
FREE.
IF IT IS FREE AND THEY CAN LEND A HAND, BUT I JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT A TAKEOVER, PER SE.
IF THEY HAVE CONTROL AND THEY ARE HELPING FOR FREE, I
DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FREE.
WE NEED AS MUCH HELP THAT WE CAN GET WITH IDEAS.
MR. CARLSON HAS BEEN ALL OVER OF THE WORLD AND I
HAVEN'T.
HE HAS SEEN THINGS THAT I WON'T GET TO SEE IN A
LIFETIME.
I APPLAUD HIS EFFORTS AND HE KNOWS HIS EXPERTISE.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FREE, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE STAY KIND OF CONTROLLED.
11:41:55 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
WE CAN IGNORE ABSOLUTELY
EVERYTHING THAT COMES WITH FREE ADVICE AND IT DOESN'T
COST US A DIME.
BUT, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT, THEN WE WILL
LET THEM KNOW RIGHT AWAY AND WON'T ENGAGE ANY MORE
DISCUSSION.
SO --
11:42:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN ATTEST WHAT MR. GUDES SAYING,
IF IT IS FREE, THAT IS FOR A ME.
NO, IF IT IS FREE AND THEY WILL BE OF VALUE AND IT IS
UP TO -- SAFETY VALVES.
YOU SAY YEA OR NAY.
SO IF SIB WANTS TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO HELP WITH YOUR
STAFF COMING IN, AND I AM GOING TO SAY NO TO IT.
I ALSO SAY HEY LISTEN, HOW ABOUT THE NEXT ONE THAT I AM
NOT PAYING FOR.
THE SAME WHETHER YOU ARE FREE OR PAYING YOU.
YOUR STAFF AND YOURSELF AND THE CITY AND THE CRA HAS
THE FINAL DECISION ON WHAT YOU ARE LIKING OR DON'T
LIKE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE
RESPONSIBLE OF MAKING DECISION WHETHER WE APPROVE OR
DENY WHATEVER IS COMING UP.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
11:42:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
MISS VAN LOAN.
11:43:06 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
SO AIM -- YES USING -- I WANT TO
MAKE CLEAR.
11:43:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU ARE ASKING US TO A MOTION TO DENY
USING BLOOMBERG.
DO YOU FOR US TO HAVE A MOTION IN SUPPORT OF BLOOMBERG?
11:43:17 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I DON'T THINK I NEED A MOTION TO
DO IT.
BUT IF YOU WERE DIRECTING ME NOT TOO, I WOULD LIKE TO
KNOW IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.
11:43:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY MOTIONS?
MISS VAN LOAN, YOU CAN PROCEED.
11:43:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING?
11:43:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:43:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU PROBABLY STUDY THIS MORE THAN I
HAVE, A LOT OF LITERATURE ON ADDRESSING ISSUES LIKE
THIS.
ONE SMALL PIECE THAT IS NOT SO NEW THAT I ENCOURAGE,
GOOGLE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE OF THE INNER CITY.
A 50-PAGE REPORT.
NOW 25 YEARS OLD, BUT TAKING A DIFFERENT LOOK AT INNER
CITIES.
AND HOW TO DEVELOP THEM BY BUILDING QUALITY OF LIFE AND
AND BUSINESSES INSTEAD OF GENTRIFICATION.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS CRYING TO US EVERY WEEK.
DON'T GENTRIFY, HELP US.
THERE IS A LOT OF WAYS TO DO THAT.
BUT ONE 50-PAGE REPORT THAT YOU CAN READ AND A LOT OF
OTHER LITERATURES OUT THERE AND EXPERTS ON IT.
BUT THAT IS A GREAT START.
11:44:18 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE ARE ASKING
IS, WHERE DO THEY RECOMMEND THE CRA LOOK AT
OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO STRATEGICALLY ACQUIRE
PROPERTIES SO WE CAN CONTROL THE RFP AND THE TYPE OF
REDEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT IS FOR NONPROFITS OR
INCUBATORS AND WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, BUT WE ARE LOOKING
FOR JUST ADVICE TO HELP US BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVEN AND
THREE QUARTER SQUARE MILES AND A LOT OF COMMERCIAL
CORRIDORS AND A LOT OF DILAPIDATED, VACANT BUILDINGS,
PROBLEM --
11:44:48 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PROBLEM IS WHAT IS THE PLAN?
JUST LOOKING FOR REAL ESTATE FOR WHAT?
WHAT IS THE GOAL?
11:44:54 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THAT WILL GET TO THE NEXT PART OF
MY REPORT, THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE -- TALKING TO THE
COMMUNITY.
NO ONE SAID THIS WAS HAPPENING IN A VACUUM.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THE SEGUE INTO -- CAN YOU BRING UP
THE POWERPOINT FOR NUMBER 7?
SO A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, AT THE
CRA BOARD MEETING LISTENING TO SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS
SAID, SO WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT EAST TAMPA?
WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN EAST
TAMPA?
AND I HAVE BEEN REALLY THINKING ABOUT, WHAT IS
DIFFERENT.
HOW ARE WE OPERATING.
WHAT ARE WE DOING DIFFERENTLY.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER CACS DOING.
AND HOW ARE WE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND PURSUING THE SAME PATH.
I HAVE GOT THE SLIDE.
OR NOT.
THERE WE GO.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I LISTEN TO THE CAC
MEETINGS AND ATTEND THE CAC MEETINGS AND YOU HEAR IT IN
OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT COME TO YOU, OUR EAST TAMPA
ACTIVISTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE PARTICIPATING.
WE HAVE INCREDIBLE PASSION.
AND THIS IS NOT SAYING THAT THE OTHER CACS DO NOT RIGHT
NOW, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH PASSION AND SO MUCH ENERGY
AND DEDICATION AND DETERMINATION AND EMPOWERMENT -- I
WANT TO GET BACK TO THE EMPOWERMENT IN A FEW MINUTE --
AND CARING.
YOU HEAR THE FRUSTRATION.
AND I PUT THAT ON PURPOSE.
IMPATIENCE.
WE NEED STUFF TO GET DONE.
IT IS UNIVERSAL.
IT IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING.
IT HAS BEEN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING AND BEHIND A LOT
OF MESSAGES, THE COMPLAINTS, AND THE IMPETUS OF WHAT
THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY AND I HAVE BEEN COMING AND
TALKING TO YOU ABOUT.
NEXT SLIDE.
11:47:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:47:07 >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN BUT I FIND
SLIDE VERY OFFENSIVE.
PEOPLE SAY OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT THEY
ARE TOO EMOTIONAL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE
TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT KIND OF SLIDE.
11:47:20 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
UNDERSTOOD.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO IT CAME UP AGAIN TODAY THE NUMBER OF CHAIRS WE HAD.
IN FOUR YEARS, WE HAD THREE CHAIRS.
NOT ONLY HAD WE HAD THREE CHAIRS IN FOUR YEARS.
WE HAD MISS GOODLEY FOR TWO YEARS AND IMMEDIATELY AT
THE AT THE END OF HER TWO YEARS A NEW CHAIR AND
IMMEDIATELY A YEAR LATER A NEW CHAIR.
ALL THREE OF THOSE NEW CHAIRS WERE ELECTED CHAIR ON
THEIR FIRST DAY AS A CAC MEMBER.
AND I POINT THAT OUT, BECAUSE IT IS UNPRECEDENTED.
AGAIN, WHAT IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN WHAT IS HAPPENING IN
EAST TAMPA AND WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING AND HOW IS THAT
DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER CACS.
THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE EVEN THE CAC
MEMBERS BRING IT UP AND IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
WE ARE ALWAYS STARTING OVER.
IT IS VERY COMPLICATED IN EAST TAMPA.
WE HAVE THE CAC.
WE HAVE GOT THE PARTNERSHIP.
AND SO, MANY OF THE OTHER CACS, THEIR CHAIRS HAVE BEEN
ON THE CAC.
THEY HAVE BEEN A PART OF THAT OR ALREADY HAVE BEEN THE
VICE-CHAIR AT THE TIME THEY BECOME TO THE CAC.
SO WE NOW HAVE CHAIRS IN OUR LEADERSHIP THAT IS TRYING
VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS.
THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED FOR EVEN SOME OF HOUSE ARE IN
IT IN A REGULAR BASIS.
ALL THREE OF THOSE FEMALE CHAIRS WILL TELL YOU THE ONE
THING THEY HAD IN COMMON OR MANY MORE, IS THE
CONVERSATION THAT WE AS STAFF HAD WITH THEM EARLY IN
THEIR CAC TENURES.
THAT IS AS SOON AS THEY BECOME CHAIR, THEY ARE
LISTENING TO EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY FEEL
THE WEIGHT OF, AGAIN, THE NEEDS, SO MANY NEEDS IN EAST
TAMPA.
AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO GET IT DONE AND THEY
HAVE TO GET IT DONE VERY QUICKLY.
AND THEY GET OVERWHELMED AND THEY ARE SCRAMBLING AND
TRYING AND AS YOU SEE, TALKING TO WHOEVER THEY CAN AND
GOING TO WHOEVER.
AND THE HOURS THAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN USUALLY ON TOP
OF THEIR OTHER JOBS AND WE HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION.
WE DON'T WANT TO YOU GET BURNED OUT IN THREE MONTH.
WE WANT THE CHAIR TO LAST.
HOPEFULLY TWO YEARS.
MAYBE ANOTHER TWO YEARS.
BUT IT BECOMES SO EASY TO TAKE THAT WEIGHT AND THINK IT
IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS CHAIR TO HAVE TO MAKING IS
HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE 10 OR 15 DIFFERENT NEEDS OF
COMMUNITY, THAT IS A LOT THAT YOU ARE PRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH.
AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS COMING TO -- ON TOP OF THAT, A
YEAR AGO, SEVEN OF THE 13 CAC MEMBERS CAME IN AND WERE
BRAND-NEW.
THIS PAST OCTOBER, THE OTHER REMAINING SIX CAME IN.
OUT OF THE CURRENT 13 MEMBERS, ONLY TWO HAD BEEN THERE
PREVIOUSLY.
SO, AGAIN, THE INSTABILITY -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY
INSTABILITY.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE CONTINUITY.
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT LEADERSHIP OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM
WHO ARE USED TO AND UNDERSTANDING OUR PROCESSES.
SO WHAT THAT GETS US WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF DRIVE IS
DRIVE -- IS DRIVE AN ACCEPTABLE WORD?
CAN I SAY DRIVE?
AND --
11:50:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE.
11:50:42 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
FOR GETTING THINGS DONE AND FOR
MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT WE ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING
VERY HARD ALL GOING IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND
YOU ARE RECEIVING E-MAILS FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND
ONE OR TWO CAC MEMBERS.
AND THEY ARE TALKING TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND THEY ARE
GOING TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THEY ARE ALL GOING OFF TRYING VERY HARD TO PURSUE
AND ACCOMPLISHMENT TO PURSUE A PROGRAM.
WHAT HAPPENS IN ALL OF THAT.
AND THE END RESULT FOR ALL OF THAT IS THAT THEY HAVE
LOST THEIR SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND CAC AND HOW WE HAVE
BEEN OPERATING AND IT CAME EARLIER.
MISS TATE, CHAIR TATE, SAID WHAT IS THE MAGIC THAT WEST
TAMPA IS DOING.
WEST TAMPA IS NOT DOING ANYTHING MAGIC.
NOTHING DIFFERENT THAT WEST TAMPA FROM YBOR OR DREW
PARK WHEN YOU HEARD FROM MARITZA ASTORQUIZA.
THEY ARE ALL FOLLOWING THE SAME BASIC PROCESS.
WHEN THOSE CRA DISTRICTS HAVE SUCCESS, WHAT THEY ARE
DOING IS THE CAC WORK STARTS IN THE CAC.
THOSE DISCUSSIONS START AT THE CAC.
WE HAVE THE DECISIONS AT THE CAC.
WE HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT ARE CREATED AS A TOOL TO
ASSIST THE CACS.
AS WE MENTIONED, NOT ALL CACS HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES.
AND DREW PARK, FOR EXAMPLE, STARTED OFF WITH TWO
SUBCOMMITTEES.
AFTER THOSE TASKS WERE COMPLETED THEY DID NOT NEED THEM
ANYMORE AND THEY DID NOT USE THEM.
DREW PARK THROUGHOUT DESIGNING OF PARKS, THE DESIGNING
OF LOIS, THE DESIGNING OF THE GATEWAY MONUMENTS, AND
THEY DID THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT THEIR CAC.
EAST TAMPA AND IN WEST TAMPA, SO MANY PROGRAMS THAT
THEY ARE WORKING ON, THAT IT CAN NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN IN A
MONTHLY CAC MEETING AND WE THEN AGAIN USE OUR
SUBCOMMITTEES AS TOOLS.
IT IS THE CAC THAT CREATES THEIR SUBCOMMITTEES AND
DIRECTS THAT WORK.
SO ALL THE WORK SHOULD START AT THE CAC.
THE CAC DECIDES WHAT PROGRAMS THEY WANT TO WORK ON
OPINION WHAT THAT OUR PRIORITIES AND THEY REFER THAT
WORK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEES WHO THEN BRING IT BACK.
ALL OF THAT IS IN PARTNERSHIP AND ALL OF THE OTHER CRAS
WITH THE CRA STAFF.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE
PROCESSES AND WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
WHEN THE QUESTIONS GO TO EVERYBODY ELSE, THERE IS
ALWAYS A TIME GAP.
AND YOU GET THE RUMORS AND YOU GET THE QUESTION OF
SHOULD I BE GOING DIRECTLY TO A SUBCOMMITTEE.
SHOULD I GOING TO HERE.
WHO SHOULD I BE TALKING TO.
IF YOU START WITH CRA STAFF, WE CAN ANSWER THAT
QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE BAT AND NO GUESSING.
NO RUMORS.
THIS PAST WEEK AND IN THE LAST 48 HOURS, THE RUMORS,
AGAIN, ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE,
WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
AND IT IS BECAUSE THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE NOT PRIMARILY
FOCUSED ANYMORE AT THE CAC LEVEL.
11:53:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CITRO.
11:53:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:54:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST TOOK OFFICE, I
TALKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BEING HUNGRY.
I TALKED ABOUT IT A WHILE.
ED JOHNSON WAS THERE FOR A LONG TIME FROM START.
IT WAS A GOOD TIME EARLY STARTING OUT.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT DIPPED WHEN -- WHEN THERE IS
NOTHING TO DO, PEOPLE -- THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED.
THEY SEE NOTHING GOING ON.
NOBODY WANTS TO HELP THE BLACK PEOPLE.
IT IS A MATTER OF TRUST.
THE COMMUNITY HAS TO COME BACK TO TRUST AND BELIEVE
THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO HELP THEM AND MAKE PROGRAMS
GO.
BRING THAT.
MAKE THEM NOT BE SO HUNGRY.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE TO BELIEVE AND THEY DON'T TRUST ANYMORE.
PEOPLE TELL US SOMETHING AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
AND WE GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU TOLD US ONE THING
NOW.
SOMEONE ELSE GOT SOMETHING AND WE DIDN'T GET IT.
OR IT IS A FRUSTRATION.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PLAN ON UNDERSTANDING.
AND I DO BEING A BLACK MAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT
FRUSTRATION.
I UNDERSTAND BEING POOR.
I UNDERSTAND LIVING IN A COMMUNITY.
IT IS DIFFICULT AT TIMES.
WE HAVE TO BUILD THE TRUST BACK AGAIN THAT THINGS -- WE
ARE GOING TO SHOW THEM THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO
HAPPEN.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, AGAIN, THE CAC MAKE-UP.
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW TO KNOW.
PEOPLE GOTTEN ON SUBCOMMITTEES SAYING THIS NEEDS TO
HAPPEN.
WE TALK OF PROCESS.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND PROCESS.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE SAYING IS
TRUE.
IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE CAC MEMBERS NEED TO KNOW
THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THAT IS THE CONFUSION.
WE BRING IN THE PARTNERSHIP.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY NOW TO BRING
THIS ALL INTO ONE.
AND TO HAVE A STRAIGHT PROCESS SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW THE
RULES GOING IN, A VIDEO PRESENTATION.
THIS IS HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
SO NOW THEY CAN CHANNEL THEIR ANGER IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
THEY CAN CHANNEL THEIR QUESTIONS IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO WE CAN GET THE RESULTS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHERE ARE THE RESULTS?
SO EVEN IF WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, PEOPLE STILL FEEL
THE TRUST FACTOR IS NOT OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY SEE NO
END OF THE DAY RESULTS IN A WHILE AND THEY ARE STILL
HUNGRY.
THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO GET TO MAKING THEM TRUST AND
BELIEVE IT.
11:56:20 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I AGREE 100%.
AND HERE IS -- HERE IS THE END RESULT.
WE HAVE -- THE PROCESS HAS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED.
THE PROCESS HAS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED FOR MONTHS AND
MONTHS.
THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE NOT BEEN HAPPENING AT THE CAC FOR
MONTHS AND MONTHS.
SO -- SO WHAT I AM ASKING THE CRA BOARD AND YOUR
ASSISTANCE WITH IS TO AID EAST TAMPA.
TO HELP THEM GET BACK ON TRACK.
BECAUSE WHERE WE ARE HUNG UP IS IF THE DISCUSSIONS DO
NOT HAPPEN AT THE CAC, THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY
WANT.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
THE DISCUSSIONS ARE NOT HAPPENING.
SO -- I BROUGHT THIS UP SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
AND THE DISCUSSIONS STILL HAVE NOT HAPPENED.
SO WE ADOPTED A BUDGET AND FY '22 WITH LINE ITEM, WITH
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WE TRIED TO START TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE CAC
MEMBERS -- AT THE CAC MEETING AS EARLY AS AUGUST AND
THEN OCTOBER AND THEN NOVEMBER.
AND THE TIME RUNS OUT.
THE FOCUS IS IN OTHER PLACES.
AND THEY HAVE NOT AS A CAC, DEFINED WHAT IT IS THEY
WANT THE CONSULTANTS TO DO.
WHAT THEY WANT THE HOUSING PROGRAMS TO DO.
WHAT THEY WANT THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE THE MONEY THERE.
IT ISN'T THAT STAFF IS NOT RUNNING OUT AND BUILDING
PROGRAMS.
WE NEED THE CAC TO SIT AND TALK AND WE HAVE BEEN HAPPY
TO ALL ALONG TO HELP FACILITATE THE QUESTIONS.
I EVEN PROVIDED -- HERE ARE -- BECAUSE I WAS ASKED, HOW
DO THEY KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK?
I WROTE IT OUT FOR THEM AND SAID HERE ARE THE KIND OF
THINGS TO HELP YOU GET AT WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ARE
TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
BASIC PARAMETERS SO WE CAN TAKE THAT AND HELP EITHER
WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR WE TAKE IT BACK AND BUILD IT.
AND COME BACK TO THEM.
BUT THE CONVERSATION HAS TO START WITH THE CAC.
OUR STAFF, NO MATTER HOW GREAT WE ARE, ARE OPERATING
IN THE DARK IF ALL I HAVE IS HOUSING, $2 MILLION.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, $500,000.
I HAVE ONE CAC MEMBER WHO IS FRUSTRATED WITH THE SLOW
PACE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SAID TO ME JUST A FEW WEEKS
AGO, WE NEED STAFF TO SHOW UP AND PROVIDE THAT
LEADERSHIP SO WE CAN HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS.
THEY ARE WAITING FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO HAPPEN AT THE
CAC.
SO WHAT I AM ASKING IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU GET THE
E-MAILS, WHEN YOU GET THE CALLS OF THINGS NOT
HAPPENING, HAS THE DISCUSSION HAPPENED AT THE CAC?
HELP US BRING THE DISCUSSIONS BACK SO THAT THE CAC
STARTS HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS TO DEFINE WHAT IT IS
AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS.
AND I AM GOING TO -- WITH THE OWNER-OCCUPIED.
WHEN WE DID THE TREE TRIMMING GRANT.
VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD TREE TRIMMING GRANT.
IT WAS ABOUT TREE TRIMMING.
AND THAT GRANT EXISTED FOR MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF.
IT WAS PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE NOW IT WAS AN EMPLOYMENT
GRANT TO HELP WITH THE MINORITY BUSINESSES IN EAST
TAMPA TO HELP GET THEM.
AND THAT IS A GREAT GOAL AND WE STOPPED AND ADDRESSED
THAT.
AND BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, THERE WAS THE VOLUME AND THE
FRUSTRATION FROM THE VOLUME AND THE PROCESSES WERE NOT
UNDERSTANDING HOW IT WORKED.
AND SO WE KEPT STARTING AND STOPPING AND STARTING AND
STOPPING WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS AN EASY $2500 GRANT.
NOW YOU HAVE AN OWNER OCCUPIED.
THIS TIME LAST YEAR, MS. RANSOM WAS JUST STARTING IN HER
HOUSING SUBCOMMITTEE TO GET THAT DEFINED AND WORKED SO THAT
SHE COULD GET THAT, AND SHE HERSELF DID A GREAT JOB, MOSTLY
BY HERSELF OR WITH STAFF, TO BRING THAT TO TUITION.
AND YOU ASKED THAT WE NOT HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF RESTRICTIONS
AND CRITERIA AND MAKE IT EASY.
BUT THEN WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO MAKE A PROGRAM
THAT HAS A LOT LESS RESTRICTIONS, BUT STILL HAS THE
SAFEGUARDS SO THAT WE DON'T END UP ON THE PAPER LIKE WE SAW
A FEW MONTHS AGO WITH ANOTHER PROGRAM, AND THAT THERE ARE
THE SAFEGUARDS THAT PEOPLE GET IT, BUT THERE ARE NOTE, AS
WAS SAID EARLIER, ABUSIVE MONEY.
BUT I DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBOR SAYING, YOU JUST GAVE ME A NEW
ROOF, AND HE MAKES X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.
HE WON THE LOTTERY AND THE CITY GAVE HIM A NEW ROOF.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PROGRAM, SO IF
IT TAKES US A COUPLE MORE MONTHS TO GET A PROGRAM THAT IS
WELL VETTED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT, SO THAT WHEN WE ROLL IT
OUT, WE DON'T STOP IT TWO MONTHS LATER, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T
THINK OF SOMETHING, OR THAT WE RAN INTO TROUBLE, NOT THAT
100% WE DIDN'T DO THAT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOT
A PROGRAM THAT WORKS, THAT WHEN WE DO ROLL IT OUT, IT CAN
ROLL OUT AND GO FULL FORCE, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO STOP.
WE CAN JUST KEEP SPENDING THAT MONEY AND GETTING THE MONEY
OUT ON THE STREET.
12:01:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR?
12:01:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:01:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THE MOTION ABOUT HAVING THE CAC COME
HERE TO GET THEIR FRUSTRATIONS OUT.
SO THEY CAN TELL US, AND YOU ARE HERE WITH YOUR STAFF TO
FOCUS ON THOSE POINTS OF HOW TO GET IT DONE.
SO I THINK THAT MEANS COME UP ON TUESDAY?
SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE HERE,
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL US THEIR FRUSTRATIONS AND TELL US
WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO, PIN IMPORTANT
THINGS DOWN AND GO LINE BY LINE SAYING HOW WE ARE GOING
TO -- HOW ARE WE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHATEVER, HOW WE ARE
GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WITH THE STRATEGY TO DO IT AND WE
GO AND GET IT DONE.
AND KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS GOING FORWARD, SO YOU ARE
SAYING THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES CAN'T BRING IDEAS TO THE
CAC --
12:02:37 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
WHAT I AM SAYING
12:02:40 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHOULD, WHEN THEY ARE
BRAINSTORMING AND TALKING, GO TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM THAT DID
NOT TALK TO THE CAC ABOUT.
SO THE CAC IS THE ONE WHO IS DECIDING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DEVELOP THE BUDGET.
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SAYING, OUR PRIORITY IS THIS, THIS
AND THIS.
12:03:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT.
IF I AM ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, AND OUR CAC DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT
ISSUES GOING ON AND I AM IN THE COMMUNITY AND I AM THE CHAIR
OF THAT PARTICULAR SUBCOMMITTEE, AND I DON'T KNOW, THE
CHAIRPERSON OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE SUBMITTING A BRIEF OR
SUBMITTING SOMETHING TO THE CHAIR OF THE CAC SAYING THIS IS
AN ISSUE --
12:03:25 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I AGREE 100%.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE SUBCOMMITTEES, JUST LIKE ALL OF YOU,
YOU TELL THE CACS, WE HAVE THE PROCESSES, THIS IS YOUR
PRIORITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THIS IS DEVELOPMENT --
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
IF THEY WENT OFF IN LEFT FIELD AND I HAD A COUNCIL PERSON
SAY TO ME THE OTHER DAY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN
THE CACs.
HOW DO WE KNOW THIS IS THE PRIORITY OF THE CAC IS?
THE CAC ALSO NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT THEIR SUBCOMMITTEES ARE
DOING SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN'T WORK ON ANYTHING, BUT IS
THAT THE PRIORITY RIGHT I KNOW?
SO IF THEY DO ALL THAT AND COME BACK, AND THE CAC SAYS RIGHT
NOW I DON'T WANT TO FUND THAT BECAUSE HERE ARE MY OTHER
THREE PRIORITIES THAT ARE HIGHER PRIORITY.
BUT COMMUNICATION HAS TO BE THERE, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF
THE WORK FLOWS FROM THE CAC.
12:04:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT ON TUESDAY SO
EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE AND GET THIS BOAT ROWING ON
THE RIVER.
12:04:22 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I WAS NOT PLANNING TO TALK VERY MUCH
ON TUESDAY, SO THIS IS BETWEEN YOUR DISCUSSION WITH THEM,
WE'LL RESPOND AS STAFF TO ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT AGAIN IT CAME UP TODAY.
WHAT DOES WEST TAMPA DO THAT'S SPECIAL?
WHAT DOES YBOR DO THAT'S SPECIAL?
THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER AT THEIR CAC MEETINGS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
12:04:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
MS. VAN LOAN, THIS IS FOR YOU, THE PUBLIC
AND MY COLLEAGUES, IF I SEEM FRUSTRATED IT'S NOT FRUSTRATION
AT YOU, AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THAT WAY, AND IF YOU HAVE,
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
MY FRUSTRATION IS JUST FOR THE PROCESS IN WHERE WE ARE, AND
I KNOW YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN AND AROUND EAST TAMPA AND
ALSO THE CRAs AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WILL HELP US,
GUIDE US THROUGH THIS.
BUT AS YOU JUST DESCRIBED, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES.
AND I THINK ONE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS WHAT WE LACK IN
THIS CITY OVERALL, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD FOR A LONG TIME IN
THIS CITY, IS A VISION OF WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
AND WE CAN START WITH THESE CRAs, START WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE DO THESE STRATEGY ACTION PLANS, AND
ALL THEY ARE IS LISTS OF PROJECTS FOR SOMEBODY LISTED.
THERE'S NO VISION OF HOW IT ALL TIES TOGETHER.
AND THREE YEARS AGO WE DID A PLAN FOR THE CRA BOARD AND WE
DON'T HAVE THAT, SO THERE'S NO CONSENSUS AND VISION OF WHERE
WE WANT TO GO.
CONSENSUS MAY BE ON THINGS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT
THAT'S A PIECE OR COMPONENT OF IT.
WHAT WE NEED IN EACH OF THESE DISTRICTS IS A VISION AND A
HOPE OF WHAT WE'LL COME AWAY WITH ON TUESDAY IS NOT JUST
MAYBE A BETTER PROCESS BUT ALSO A VISION FOR WE CAN PICTURE
IN OUR HEADS WHAT EAST TAMPA WILL LOOK LIKE.
AND IT'S NOT DEFINED BY PRETTY NEW BUILDINGS COMING UP BUT
HOW ARE THE PEOPLE GOING TO INTERACT WITH THE SPACE?
THANK YOU.
12:06:14 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THE LAST THING BECAUSE THIS CAME UP,
SO THE LAST THING ABOUT PROCESS IS MONEY, AND HOW IT GETS
SPENT.
THE MONEY GOES THROUGH -- ANY DECISIONS GO THROUGH THE CAC.
THEY COME TO YOU.
IT'S NOT A LINE ITEM AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT --
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT'S GOING.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT MR. McCRAY AND
NO ONE ELSE HAS APPROVED $3.5 MILLION FOR ANY PROJECT.
THE SECOND THING THAT WAS ANOTHER PROBLEM WAS AGAIN THAT I
TALKED ABOUT THAT ENERGY TO GET SOMETHING DONE AND THE
EXCITEMENT TO GO DO THAT AND GET SOMETHING DONE IS THAT THE
PRESS -- YOU COME TALK TO CRA STAFF BECAUSE HERE IS WHAT WE
DO.
WE TALK TO WHOEVER IS INTERESTED, AND ONE, WE KNOW THE CRA
CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON IT, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF 163 BUT
WHAT'S IN THAT CRA'S COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN?
IT'S LIKE YOU SAW, SEVERAL CRAs CAN HAVE CULTURAL ASSETS
BUT TAMPA HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT COULDN'T.
THEIR CAC DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
THAT'S OUR STAFF'S JOB TO KNOW THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO
AND WE RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME.
THEN EVEN IF WE CAN LEGALLY SPEND IT, IS THERE MONEY IN THE
CURRENT BUDGET, HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND IF NOT, THE
NEXT YEAR.
THAT AGAIN IS OUR JOB PRIOR TO GETTING TO THE CAC, AND THEN
WE CAN RECOMMEND TO THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THE PROCESS AND
THE NEXT STEP TO GET YOUR REQUESTS MADE, IS TO COME TO THE
CAC, MAKE THE REQUEST, AND THEY MAY REFER IT TO A
SUBCOMMITTEE JUST LIKE THE SKILLS CENTER DID, THAT WENT TO
THE SUBCOMMITTEE, AND IT CAME BACK TO THE CAC FOR A VOTE.
SO THEY REFERRED IT AND IT CAME BACK, AND THE PROCESS WENT
THROUGH THAT.
SO WITH OUR STAFF, THAT'S THE RULE THAT WE PLAY.
AND WITH THE ONE ISSUE ON THE 3.5 MILLION, THERE WAS
SUDDENLY A DISCUSSION THAT HAD TO GO TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE,
AND THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, FIRST NEEDS TO START WITH US BECAUSE
WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR ATTORNEY, BECAUSE THAT'S A GRAY LINE
THAT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FUND IN EAST TAMPA.
AND ONCE WE KNEW ABOUT IT AND AFTER I REVIEWED THE COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, I ALREADY LET MORRIS KNOW, I DON'T THINK
WE CAN FUND IT.
AND IF WE CAN, IT DEFINITELY NEEDS INTERPRETATION.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OBVIOUS THING THAT WE CAN.
SO IF YOU SEND IT OFF TO YOUR SUBCOMMITTEES, YOU HAVE GOT
THE MONEY OUT THERE, RESEARCHING SOMETHING, THAT WE ARE
GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, I'M SORRY, WE CAN'T FUND THAT.
SO AGAIN, I WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, THAT MR. McCRAY
HAS NOT APPROVED, NONE OF US HAVE APPROVED AND THAT IS NOT
DONE THAT WAY.
AND THE REASON I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, IT WAS BROUGHT UP
THIS MORNING THAT YOU WERE ASKED TO MAKE SURE, WE DON'T
ABUSE THE CRA FUNDS.
AGAIN, WE CAN'T SPEND FUNDS AND WE DON'T SPEND FUNDS, BUT
HAVE THOUGHT BEEN APPROVED THROUGH THE CAC, THROUGH ALL OF
YOU, AND I HAVE TO HAVE RESOS, I HAVE TO HAVE MOTIONS, SO WE
CANNOT ABUSE THOSE FUNDS.
WE CAN ONLY SPEND THEM AS THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED THROUGH
THE PROCESS.
12:09:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ONE LAST COMMENT AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:09:40 >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT SOUND -- AND I AM COMING INTO THIS
OBVIOUSLY JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, BUT SOUND LIKE A OF
MISCOMMUNICATION.
HAVE YOU DONE ANY TYPE OF LIKE A PowerPoint PRESENTATION
TO GO TO THEM AND SAY, THESE ARE THE PROCESSES, LET'S TALK
THIS OUT BEFORE WE EVEN -- AUGUST, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER?
12:10:03 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
YES.
AND EVEN WHEN WE DO THE CAC TRAINING THAT WE DID, ONE OF THE
THINGS WE POINT OUT AS COUNCILMAN CAN TELL YOU IS WE DON'T
EXPECT TO MEMORIZE THEM, NO, EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST TOLD
YOU.
THE SAME LINE I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT.
WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, YOU HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THIS,
YOU REMEMBER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU REMEMBER THAT WE
BROUGHT IT UP, AND THAT YOU KNOW THAT EITHER YOU CAN COME
BACK AND ASK, OR THERE'S A RESOURCE IN WHAT WE GAVE YOU AND
THE HANDOUTS.
AND ALL OF THOSE PowerPointS HAVE BEEN E-MAILED AND GIVEN
AND SHARED.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A LOT OF EFFORTS GOING IN A LOT OF
PARALLEL DIRECTIONS.
12:10:44 >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF I MAY, A SUGGESTION THAT I USE A LOT IN
THE WORK I DO, IS THAT PEOPLE ARE OFTEN AFRAID TO TELL YOU
WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW.
MAY I SUGGEST THAT -- I KNOW IT'S MORE WORK, BUT UNTIL WE
GET THIS SETTLED, GO TO EVERY MEMBER INDIVIDUALLY AFTERWARD.
12:11:04 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
MR. McCRAY HAS BEEN MEETING ONE ON
ONE WITH MEMBERS BEFORE THE MEETINGS SO THERE CAN BE
DISCUSSIONS.
SO IT'S MONTHLY.
12:11:13 >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT EVEN AFTER THE MEETINGS IS WHAT I AM
SAYING.
PEOPLE HEAR THINGS.
12:11:19 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
YES.
12:11:20 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE, EVEN
BEFORE AND AFTER, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ASK QUESTIONS IN A
COMFORTABLE STATE THAT'S NOT OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
12:11:31 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
OF COURSE.
AND THAT'S WHY OUR OFFICE IS THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S ALWAYS THERE, NOT JUST BEFORE AND OF AFTER THE
MEETINGS.
STAFF IS ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE.
12:11:38 >> BUT AGAIN A COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT EXPERIENCED, THERE IS A
TRUE FEAR OF GOING AND ASKING, SO IF YOU COME AND ASK, IT'S
A DIFFERENT APPROACH, JUST TO CONSIDER.
12:11:55 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I APPRECIATE THAT, YES.
12:11:57 >> THEY HAVE TO KNOW WHO TO ASK.
IT HAS TO BE A TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION.
I AM NOT TRYING TO GET OUT OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
WE WANT TO ENGAGE.
WE CANNOT BE EFFECTIVE WITHOUT THAT DIALOGUE.
WE CANNOT HELP MOVE THE COMMUNITY FORWARD.
WE CANNOT BE EFFECTIVE BECAUSE WE ARE, BY YOUR STRUCTURE,
SET UP TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE CAC.
WE ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF 30,000 PEOPLE PLUS IN EAST
TAMPA.
WE WANT THE DIALOGUE.
WE WANT EVERY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DIALOGUE.
AGAIN, MY REQUEST IS FOR THE HELP TO BRIDGE THAT GAP TO KEEP
GETTING THE DIALOGUE GOING.
12:12:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR
STATEMENTS?
IF NOT I WILL MAKE MINE.
THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HAVE BEEN ON CAC BOARDS, CAC
COMMITTEES.
I THANK PEOPLE LIKE MRS. ORR BACK THERE, MRS. THROWER, AND
CORRINE WHO WERE WITH THE YBOR CAC, THE EXPERIENCE I HAVE
HAD FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESS.
I AM GOING TO USE THIS SPORTING ANALOGY.
A COACH COMES IN AND TEACHES THE TEAMMATES HOW TO PLAY THAT
SPORT.
AND, IN TURN, THOSE TEAMMATES TEACH EACH OTHER, TO SCORE THE
HOME RUNS, TO SCORE THE TOUCHDOWN, TO SCORE THE GOALS.
WE NEED TO HAVE CONSISTENT COACHES THAT HAVE AFRAID GAME,
THAT HAVE TAUGHT OTHER PEOPLE HOW TO PLAY THE GAME, AND HOW
TO SCORE, TOUCHDOWNS, HOME RUNS, GOALS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. VAN LOAN.
MEMBERS, BOARD MEMBERS, IT'S 12:15 NOW.
OKAY.
12:15 NOW.
12:30 WE WILL BE FINISHED OR WE WILLING GOING TO LUNCH.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYONE?
12:14:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT
UNDER STAFF REPORTS?
12:14:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF, STAFF
REPORTS FROM CRAS, OTHER THINGS TO IMPROVE UPON.
12:14:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION WE POSTPONE
THOSE STAFF REPORTS TO MAYBE TUESDAY ON THAT SPECIAL CALL?
12:14:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A SPECIAL CALL, THERE SHOULD BE NO BUSINESS
BEING DONE THAT WAY, MR. MASSEY?
12:14:52 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
A SPECIAL CALL MEETING IS BETWEEN THIS
BOARD AND THE EAST TAMPA CAC TO DISCUSS ISSUES SPECIFIC TO
THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AREA ONLY.
SO WE REALLY CAN'T AUTHORIZE IT OTHER THAN THAT.
THAT'S THE SOLE PURPOSE OF -- BRIEFLY SINCE IT CAME UP, YOU
KNOW, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS, YOU ALL WE WILL RESERVE THE
PART OF THE CHAMBERS FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CAC.
WE HAVE ARRANGED FOR AN AGENDA FOR THEM TO COME UP AND
ADDRESS YOU AND THEN STAFF TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
THERE'S ALSO A POINT IN THE AGENDA WHERE WE ALLOW ANY ISSUES
THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE AGENDA, THE CAC MEMBERS
WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS YOU ON THOSE MATTERS, TO COME UP AND
ADDRESS YOU ON THOSE MATTERS.
12:15:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE FORGO THE MONTHLY
REPORTS, AND QUICKLY, WITHIN TEN MINUTES WE CAN DO THESE
APPROVALS AND BE DONE.
12:15:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SECOND THAT.
12:15:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. VAN LOAN, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH
THAT?
12:15:57 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I AM, BUT --
12:16:03 >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND IS THERE ANY NOS ON THAT?
MOTION PASSES.
12:16:10 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
ITEM 10.
12:16:17 >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE STILL RECEIVE -- I KNOW WE DO HAVE
WRITTEN INFORMATION, BUT ANYTHING THEY MAY HAVE PRESENTED TO
COME ON?
12:16:25 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
BASICALLY FOR THE STAFF REPORTS, THEY
JUST GIVE YOU HIGHLIGHTS FROM THAT.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
INFORMATION AND ESPECIALLY FOR COUNCILMAN HURTAK, AGAIN, AND
IN YOUR FIRST WEEK, BUT WHEN THE OTHER CRA BOARD MEMBERS
STARTED, WE WILL SET UP ONE ON ONES WITH YOU, WITH THE
VARIOUS CRA MANAGERS, AND ALSO FOR THE SHORT TERM IF THERE'S
ANY QUESTIONS, ANYTHING SPECIFIC.
ITEM 10 IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU APPROVED IN QUESTIONS.
THE CENTER FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS ENLISTED SEVERAL
PROPERTIES THEY WOULD LIKE TO HELP WITH CLEAN-UP.
AND THEY REQUESTED NINE BUT THEY WENT OVER LAST TIME SO I
JUST WOUND IT UP TO TEN.
THE CAC APPROVED TEN.
AND THAT IS BEING HELD AT THE END.
12:17:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO APPROVE.
12:17:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY AGAINST?
12:17:27 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
NUMBER 11 IS SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL.
THIS IS LIKE YOU DID WITH THE STRAZ, 90,000 FOR
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TAMPA HOUSING
AUTHORITY.
ALL OF THOSE STAND HE-ALONE GRANTS THAT YOU DO.
WE DON'T DO THEM VERY OFTEN.
THEY ARE MORE CIRCUMSTANTIAL.
TO WRITE A PROGRAM OR A GRANT GUIDE FOR THAT, BECAUSE THEY
ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND AGAIN WE DON'T DO MANY, MANY OF
THESE, AND THE PROCESS IS THE SAME FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU MAKE THE REQUEST TO THE CAC.
THEY CAN, AT THEIR CHOICE, REFER IT TO A SUBCOMMITTEE, THE
CAC VOTES ON IT, AND THEN IT COMES HERE.
WITH THIS ITEM I AM JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROCESS AND
STEPS.
THEY CAME AND TALKED, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THAT CAME TO THE
CAC, THE CAC VOTED 10-1 TO APPROVE IT.
I AM GOING TO FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM SAY THERE APPEARS TO
BE BUYER'S REMORSE, AND SO THE ONE REQUEST YOU GOT FROM MS.
MILLER SHE WAS THE ONE NAY VOTE OF THE 11 VOTES AT THE CAC
AND THE CHAIR HAS EXPRESSED CONCERNS.
SO THERE IS NOTHING ON THE STAFF SIDE THAT IS PUSHING OR
ANYTHING ELSE.
AS YOU SAW, YOU APPROVED 25 MILLION FOR THE STRAZ WITH THE
BUDGET, THERE WAS ONE PowerPoint AND FIVE LINES IN THE
BUDGET.
WE HAVE HAD DETAILED CONSTRUCTION BUDGETS FOR $150,000.
SO THIS HAS BEEN BASED ON WHETHER A CAC OR THE CRA BOARD
FEELS THAT THIS IS AN ITEM THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN WHAT DOES YOUR INVESTMENT GET YOU?
12:19:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR?
THERE IS A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ON THIS ITEM.
12:19:34 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
UH-HUH.
12:19:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM FOR THE SKILLS CENTER BUT I DON'T
KNOW WHAT WE GAIN FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN.
NO DIFFERENT THAN THE STRAZ WITH THESE ITEMS.
WHAT DO WE GET ON OUR INVESTMENT WITH THIS KIND OF MONEY?
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE BOARD WANTS TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT DO WE DO?
SO I WILL RESERVE, UNTIL WE GET SOME ANSWERS ON THAT, TO
DEFER IT TILL WE GET TO THE NEXT MEETING, SO THEY CAN KNOW
WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON AND WHAT THEY GAIN FOR THEIR MONEY.
12:20:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MASSEY.
12:20:10 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ONE THING MENTIONED ABOUT THE STRAZ
FUNDING, WE DID HAVE A VERY LARGE FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT
WENT INTO LONG DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THE BUDGET WAS GOING TO BE
USED FOR.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO DEFER THIS UNTIL WE HAD AN AGREEMENT,
MAYBE SPELL OUT THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL --
12:20:29 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT NOT PUT
TOGETHER AN EXTENSIVE FUNDING AGREEMENT IF THERE WAS NOT
APPEAR TO BE, I USE IT, IN KILN ACE, SO IF IT IS NOT GOING
TO GO THROUGH, WE ARE NOT GOING TO -- AGAIN, LIKE THE STRAZ,
OR WITH THE TAMPA MUSEUM OF ART, OR EVEN YOU SAW OVER A
COUPLE OF MEETINGS JUST 150,000 AROUND THE AMALIE ARENA.
12:20:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAD THE FEELING, WHAT I AM HEARING, WHAT
THEY GET FOR THEIR BUCK.
THAT'S WHAT I AM HEARING.
12:20:59 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
AND ANY APPROVAL WOULD STILL BE
CONTINGENT UPON A FUNDING AGREEMENT.
SO EVEN IF THAT'S THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT THAT WOULD BE A
FUNDING AGREEMENT.
12:21:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION TO DEFER TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
12:21:14 >> SECOND.
12:21:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN BE MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
12:21:25 >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU KNOW, I'LL VOTE -- WELL, LET ME ASK YOU,
IF I MAY, THIS FUNDING SOUGHT, IT'S NOTHING TIME LIMITED,
YOU KNOW, THEY NEED IT FOR SOME SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT'S
COMING UP, DEFER FOR 30 DAYS IT'S GOING TO HURT THEM IN ANY
WAY.
12:21:43 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
NO.
THIS CAN -- LIKE I SAID, OF COURSE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
THEIR OWN CERTAINTY THE OF KNOWING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO
OUT AND GET OTHERS.
BUT AGAIN, FOR 500,000 ANYBODY WILL WAIT UNTIL THAT DECISION
COMES OR ANOTHER 30 DAYS.
12:21:59 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL VOTE FOR THE MOTION, IF THERE HAS BEEN
SOME INQUIRIES, ET CETERA.
BUT FOR ME, THIS IS WHAT CRA SHOULD BE DOING.
I WENT LIKE OTHER FOLKS HERE TO THE SKILLS CENTER.
I THINK THEY DO REMARKABLE WORK.
REMARKABLE WORK.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM GET THESE FUNDS, SO UNLESS
THERE'S SOME HUGE SURPRISE, I HOPEFULLY PLAN ON
ENTHUSIASTICALLY VOTING FOR THIS ITEM WHENEVER IT RETURNS TO
US NEXT TIME.
12:22:29 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
COULD I ASK FOR YOUR MOTION AGAIN,
JUST SO THERE'S CLARITY OF PROCESS AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT
TO EXPECT, CAN WE REFER IT BACK TO THE CAC FOR THE CAC TO
ENGAGE IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE SKILLS CENTER, HAVE THEM
COME WITH THEIR QUESTIONS, SO THAT THEY CAN BE ANSWERED, SO
THE SKILLS CENTER KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT, AND YOUR CAC MEMBERS
KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
12:22:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I CAN RESTATE THE MOTION.
THIS BE REFERRED BACK TO CAC ALONG WITH THE SKILLS CENTER TO
TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT, AND ANY OTHER OUTCOMES OR MEASURES
THAT WILL INCORPORATE WITH OUR CAC.
12:23:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES,
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
LET'S CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
12:23:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:23:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:23:20 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:23:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:23:22 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:23:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:23:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:23:24 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:23:25 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ON A ROLL.
NUMBER 13 IS A CAC APPOINTMENT TO THE TAMPA HEIGHTS
RIVERFRONT OF PATEL.
12:23:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
12:23:43 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:23:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:23:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:23:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:23:50 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:23:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:23:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:23:53 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:23:54 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
NUMBER 14 IS CAC APPOINTMENT OF SEAN
TO THE DOWNTOWN CAC.
12:24:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
12:24:10 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I AM GOING TO HOLD 15 TO THE END.
THERE'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ON IT.
16, THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY TIF, THIS IS JUST A
YEAR ROUND FINANCIAL REPORT.
12:24:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GUDES, MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
MOTION CARRIES.
12:24:28 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
ITEM 17 AND 18 ARE JUST DIVIDED
BECAUSE THEY ARE YBOR 1 AND 2.
THIS IS THEIR SCOPE OF WORK FOR THEIR CONTRACT FOR THEIR
CLEAN TEAM THAT NOW ALSO COMBINES THEIR AMBASSADORS WHO HAVE
THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW, AND THIS IS TO
FUND IT AND THEN THEY WILL GO OUT FOR RFP IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
12:24:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY MIRANDA, SECOND BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
12:24:50 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
NUMBER 19 IS ALSO CHANNEL DISTRICT,
SAME THING, THIS WILL BE YEARLY CONTRACT TO HELP CLEAN UP,
WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S SO MUCH PAINTING, THERE'S
SO MUCH LANDSCAPING OVER THE YEARS, AND SO THEY ARE LOOKING
TO ALSO PUT OUT AN RFP FOR AN ANNUAL BASIS OF A MAINTENANCE
CONTRACT.
12:25:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MOVED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
12:25:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY, WE ARE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT NUMBER 15 IN A MINUTE BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF
SOMETHING THAT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY WOULD LOVE TO
HAVE, AND IT'S UNFAIR THAT CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY THAT
DON'T HAVE SLUM AND BLIGHT ARE GETTING SPECIAL TREATMENT.
BUT I VOTED FOR IT ANYWAY.
12:25:39 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
NUMBER 20 IS THE DOWNTOWN CRA HAS OUR
OLDEST COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 1983, AND 1988.
THEY DO NOT HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN.
WE ARE REQUESTING THE 300,000 EXPECTED TO BECOME A LOT LESS,
BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME.
THANK YOU.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, BUT WE ARE ASKING TO
UPDATE THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
12:26:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
12:26:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
QUICKLY, I VOTED FOR THAT, BUT TWO THINGS,
NUMBER ONE, WE ASKED FOR ALL THE PLANS TO BE UPDATED THREE
YEARS AGO, I'M SURPRISED IT TOOK SO LONG.
NUMBER TWO, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT SUNSETTING THIS OR
PUTTING A CAP ON IT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SUBSIDIZE
THESE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE SLUM AND BLIGHT ARE GOING TO
COME BEFORE US AND START COMPLAINING MORE AND MORE AS THEY
SEE THESE THING CONTINUE.
SO I HOPE THAT, I WON'T ASK FOR A VOTE TODAY BUT I HOPE AS
WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN THAT THE CAC
AND THE COMMUNITY WILL PUT IN WHAT THEY WANT, BUT THEN WE
CAN LOOK AT THE END OF THAT, THAT WE CAN EITHER SUNSET OR
PUT A CAP ON IT.
THANK YOU.
12:26:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANY NOs ON THAT?
MOTION APPROVED.
12:26:58 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
WOULD YOU PREFER I TAKE 15 ON THE SAP
OR 21 ON THE PARKS AND WEST TAMPA FIRST?
OKAY, SO I WILL GO TO 21.
THE CAC HAS BEEN TRYING TO EXPEDITE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO REY
PARK AND SALCINES PARK, REQUESTING THIS REPROGRAMMING,
150,000 WOULD GO TO DESIGN CONSTRUCT FOR SALCINES PARK, THE
PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND
NOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HIRING A DESIGNER
TO ACTUALLY DESIGN THAT.
SAME CONCEPT FOR REY PARK.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE -- ALSO THE CAC WENT ONE STEP FURTHER AND
ASKED THAT THERE BE AN ASSESSMENT.
COMMUNITY BUILDING ALSO TO SEE WHAT UPGRADES AND OTHER
PROGRAMS.
12:27:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE THEN ON THAT.
12:28:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:28:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:28:13 >>LUIS VIERA:
12:28:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
12:28:15 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:28:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:28:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:28:18 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
12:28:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST THINK THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF LACK OF
HAVING A VISION, THE SALCINES PARTICULARLY, AND I HAVE DONE
SOME RESEARCH IN THE PAST, AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT
MAINTAINING AND BUILDING PARKS, BUT ALSO OUGHT TO LOOK AT
THE BEST USE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE THIS, AND I THINK
WE NEED TO HAVE A VISION FOR HOW OUR COMMUNITIES ARE GOING
TO INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF JUST REPLACING THINGS
THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
THERE USED TO BE, I THINK, IT WHATS A PHARMACY, SALCINES
PHARMACY, AND IN THE 70s THEY WERE DESPERATE TO FIGURE OUT
HOW TO REDEVELOP THE AREA SO THEY TOOK $20,000 FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A PARK AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
TO HAVE A PARK IN THAT AREA.
WE NEED PARKS BUT NOT IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
12:29:10 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE YOUR COMMENTS
BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CAC KNOWS THAT WAS YOUR COMMENT.
THE LAST ITEM, BACK TO NUMBER 15, THIS IS THE CHANNEL
DISTRICT CRAs STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN, JUST LIKE WE HAVE
DREW PARK SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, SO THIS WILL BE A SIMPLE
MOTION FOR ADOPTION OR NOT, AND DISCUSSION.
12:29:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN.
12:29:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:29:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
SAME THING ON THIS ONE AS THE DOWNTOWN ONE.
WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A CAP A YEAR OR SO AGO AND THE
COMMUNITY SAID WE THINK WANTED A STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN
UPDATE.
I THINK YOU ALL MET WITH FOLKS LIKE I DID, AND LISTENED TO
THEM.
THEY SAID THEY INCLUDED EVERYTHING THEY WANTED IN HERE AND
SUDDENLY GOES UP FOR LIKE ANOTHER 3 TO 5 YEARS, BUT STILL
HAS ABOUT 10 YEARS.
THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT.
ONE IS NOT TO TOUCH THE CRA, THE OTHER IS TO PUT A CAP ON IT
AFTER THESE ITEMS, AND THE THIRD ONE IS TO LEAVE LIKE 10 OR
20% IN THE CRA FOR THE DURATION BUT TAKE THE REST OF IT AND
MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND ALTHOUGH THE CRA BOARD CANNOT CONTROL WHERE THE MONEY
GOES, IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, CITY COUNCIL CAN BECAUSE WE
CONTROL THE BUDGET, SO WE CAN SET UP A PARK FUND OR
SOMETHING.
BUT MORE AND MORE WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM OTHER
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SUBSIDIZING IN PLACES WHERE THERE IS
SLUM AND BLIGHT, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, BUT IN DOWNTOWN CHANNEL
DISTRICT THEY ARE ASKING WHY ARE OUR PARKS FALLING APART,
WHY DON'T WE HAVE SIDEWALKS, WHY DO WE HAVE POTHOLES?
THEY DON'T WANT US TO RAISE TAXES.
LAST THING I WILL SAY THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE PROPOSALS FOR
NEW CRA DISTRICTS, AND WHAT YOU SHOULD THINK OF IS THAT
REALLY NEEDS INCREASE IN TAXES FOR THE REST OF THE CITY,
BECAUSE IF WE -- ESPECIALLY FOR POLICE AND FAIR, IF WE DRAIN
RESOURCES IN CERTAIN EARS WHERE WE SET UP CRAs OR TIFS,
THERE'S NO WAY TO PAY FOR THE OTHER THINGS, SO A VOTE FOR
CRA IS REALLY VOTING FOR INCREASE IN TAXES FOR EVERYBODY.
SO I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE LOOK AT THAT CAREFULLY.
THANK YOU.
12:31:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT CRA IS NOT EQUAL TO OTHERS BECAUSE
THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF MORE MONEYS COMING INTO THEM THAT
OTHERS PAY FOR INDIRECTLY.
SO I AGREE WITH THAT.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
12:31:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
INFORMATION REPORTS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
GUDES?
HURTAK?
MANISCALCO?
12:31:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO WISH MY FATHER A
HAPPY 63RD BIRTHDAY.
12:31:54 >>LUIS VIERA:
I DID WANT TO JUST PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE
THERESA PIERRE COY WAS A MARVELOUS ATTORNEY, JUST A GREAT,
GREAT WOMAN, SHE WAS A COLLEAGUE AND A FRIEND, AND SHE
PASSED ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS, MONDAY, I BELIEVE, AND I KNOW
WE ALL SEND OUR BEST TO HER HUSBAND TRAVIS AND CHILDREN, AND
JUST A TREMENDOUS LOSS.
SHE WAS SUCH A GOOD, DECENT WOMAN.
SO GOD BLESS HER.
THANK YOU.
12:32:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOUR FATHER HAD ONE THING IN COMMON WITH
MY GOOD FRIEND PETE ROSE.
HE'S ALSO 81 YEARS OLD TODAY.
12:32:34 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME ONE SECOND.
SHERISHA JACKSON, OUR OFFICE SUPPORT SPECIALIST, WHO HAS
BEEN WITH US OVER TEN YEARS, IS TAKING A VERY LARGE
PROMOTION AND WILL BE WORKING IN OUR SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT
OVER ON THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE.
WE ARE VERY EXCITED FOR HER.
SHE STARTS MONDAY.
SO PLEASE GO AHEAD AND BE AWARE WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING AND
EVALUATING APPLICANTS THAT HAD ABOUT RECENTLY DONE A
RECRUITMENT, AND I CAN JUST PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT.
SO WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT NOW, AND I HOPE TO HAVE IT
FILLED IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAS DONE AS
PART OF THIS DEPARTMENT AND WATCHED US DO SO MUCH ESPECIALLY
IN THE COURSE OF CRAs AND BEING AN ESSENTIAL PART OF OUR
DEPARTMENT.
WE WILL FOREVER BE IN HER DEBT AND I WANT TO PUBLICLY WISH
HER WELL AND THANK HER.
12:33:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AGREE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HER E-MAILS GIVING ME INFORMATION ON WHERE
I NEED TO BE AT TIMES.
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WE'LL SEE YOU AT 5:01.
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