TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MAY 12, 2022
5:01 P.M.
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17:02:55 [GAVEL SOUNDING]
17:02:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY
17:03:01 COUNCIL'S HEARING TONIGHT, THE EVENING AGENDA ON THIS
17:03:04 DATE OF MAY 12, 2022.
17:03:08 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
17:03:09 >>CLERK: CARLSON.
17:03:11 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
17:03:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
17:03:14 >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
17:03:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
17:03:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
17:03:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M HERE.
17:03:21 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
17:03:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
17:03:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:03:30 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY MAY 12, 2022.
17:03:35 WE ARE HERE FOR THE EVENING AGENDA AFTER 5 P.M. AT
17:03:36 OLD CITY MALL.
17:03:40 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN CITY COUNCIL
17:03:44 CHAMBERS, IN PERSON OR THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING
17:03:47 REFERRED TO AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
17:03:57 WITH REGARD TO THAT, THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO -- I DON'T
17:04:00 HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, I AM SORRY.
17:04:05 THE PUBLIC ABLE TO VIEW THIS ON CABLE TV.
17:04:12 SPECTRUM AND FRONTIER AND ALSO LIVESTREAMING AT TAMPA
17:04:16 GOVERNOR.NET/LIVESTREAM.
17:04:20 PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN
17:04:23 A PUBLIC HEARING ON A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
17:04:25 FOR MOVING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, THE
17:04:31 INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE AT TAMPA.GOV/QUASI.
17:04:34 IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE VIA CMT, YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS
17:04:38 TO A COMMUNICATION MEDIA DEVICE LIKE A TABLET OR
17:04:41 COMPUTER EQUIPPED WITH A CAMERA AND MICROPHONE THAT
17:04:45 ALLOWS YOU TO BE SEEN AND HEARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND
17:04:46 ALL OTHER PARTICIPANTS.
17:04:51 FOR THESE SPECIFIC TWO-WAY VIDEO FORMATS, CELL PHONES
17:04:55 AND SMARTPHONES ARE NOT COMBATABLE BECAUSE DOES NOT
17:04:58 ALLOW TO YOU SHARE YOUR CAMERA.
17:05:00 ALSO A REMINDER, COUNCIL.
17:05:04 THERE ARE SEVERAL HEARINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE --
17:05:08 ACTUALLY LITTLE BIT BUSY LET ME SAY, PUT THAT WAY.
17:05:16 BUT WITH REGARD TO -- THE EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS,
17:05:17 COUNCIL.
17:05:19 A REMINDER IF YOU HAD EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION REGARDING
17:05:24 ANY OF TONIGHT'S MEETINGS, HEARINGS, DISCLOSE THE SUM
17:05:27 AND SUBSTANCE AND WHOM THAT COMMUNICATION OCCURRED AND
17:05:30 DO THAT AT THE START OF THE MEETING IF YOU WISH TO DO
17:05:31 THAT.
17:05:32 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
17:05:33 >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE THE
17:05:40 ACTUAL ONE ITSELF OR DO IN GENERAL RIGHT NOW?
17:05:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK IT PROBABLY WILL BE BETTER TO
17:05:46 DO AT THE START OF EACH HEARING, I THINK.
17:05:47 >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, GREAT.
17:05:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE
17:05:58 BEEN RECEIVED AND FILED, THEY HAVE BEEN UPLOADED THAT
17:05:59 THE POINT TO SIRE.
17:06:02 IN THEY HAVE NOT BEEN UPLOADED AND SOMETHING THAT COMES
17:06:06 IN TODAY OR RECENT THREE DID NOT HAVE THE PUBLIC THE
17:06:09 OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON SIRE, MAKE SURE YOU DISCLOSE THOSE
17:06:10 AS WELL.
17:06:15 ALSO, WITH REGARD TO THE PLATFORM.
17:06:19 FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE PARTICIPATING ON GO TO
17:06:21 MEETING AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW TONIGHT.
17:06:25 JUST A REMINDER, PLEASE, THE CHAT BOX ON THE GO TO
17:06:29 MEETING PLATFORM IS FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES ONLY.
17:06:32 AND IF YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY DIFFICULTIES, THAT IS WHEN
17:06:33 YOU USE IT.
17:06:36 OTHERWISE, PLEASE DO NOT USE THE CHAT BOX TO
17:06:40 COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH ANYBODY INVOLVING THE SUM AND
17:06:41 SUBSTANCE OF THE HEARING.
17:06:44 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:06:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:06:46 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
17:06:50 >>LUIS VIERA: OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION WHICH YOU
17:06:53 NEVER WANT TO DO, I JUST SAW A MESSAGE ON FACEBOOK
17:06:56 MESSENGER REGARDING WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE
17:06:57 HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:06:59 WHAT THE PROCESS OF THAT.
17:07:02 IT IS NOT REMARKABLE, BUT, AGAIN, OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE
17:07:04 OF CAUTION.
17:07:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONCE WE GET TO THAT ONE --
17:07:09 >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS.
17:07:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
17:07:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
17:07:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, YES.
17:07:17 SORRY, A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO ALLOW FOR THE CMT.
17:07:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
17:07:24 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
17:07:28 ROLL CALL VOTE.
17:07:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
17:07:30 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
17:07:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
17:07:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
17:07:34 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
17:07:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
17:07:38 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON BEING ABSENT.
17:07:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I ALSO WANT TO MENTION I HAVE THAT
17:07:44 MEMO FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON WHO WILL NOT BE WITH US
17:07:50 TODAY NEITHER WILL HE BE ON ZOOM; HOWEVER, TOMORROW IS
17:07:51 HIS BIRTHDAY.
17:07:56 HAPPY BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN.
17:07:58 MISS WELLS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CLEAN UP
17:08:02 ON THE AGENDA?
17:08:03 OKAY.
17:08:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:08:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO ONLY ONLY ITEMS 1-15.
17:08:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
17:08:11 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
17:08:14 ALL IN FAVOR.
17:08:15 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:08:19 NUMBER ONE.
17:08:21 >>ANNIE BARNES: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
17:08:24 ANNIE BARNES, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
17:08:27 BEFORE WE BEGIN, SOME ITEMS I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAN UP
17:08:28 BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
17:08:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU,
17:08:33 >>ANNIE BARNES: ITEM NUMBER 1, REZ 21-04.
17:08:35 THIS PETITION WAS NOT PROPERLY NOTICED.
17:08:38 CAN YOU PLEASE REMOVE THIS ITEM FROM THE AGENDA.
17:08:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE NUMBER REZ-21-04,
17:08:47 >>ANNIE BARNES: YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
17:08:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND
17:08:51 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
17:08:52 ALL IN FAVOR.
17:08:54 ANY OPPOSED?
17:08:56 THANK YOU.
17:08:56 >>ANNIE BARNES: THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM ITEM NUMBER 9 IS
17:09:02 REZ 22-01.
17:09:04 THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO BE HEARD
17:09:09 AT THE JUNE 2, 2022 PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:01 P.M.
17:09:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CONTINUE ON ITEM NUMBER 9.
17:09:17 21 --
17:09:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO WE KNOW OUT MANY WE HAVE FOR
17:09:20 THIS DAY?
17:09:24 >>ANNIE BARNES: ANNIE BARNES.
17:09:27 THAT WAS THE ADDITIONAL HEARING NIGHT ADDED TO THE
17:09:30 SCHEDULE SO ADDITIONAL SPOTS OPEN.
17:09:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO I HAVE A SECOND.
17:09:34 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MADE THE MOTION AND SECONDED BY
17:09:34 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
17:09:36 ALL IN FAVOR.
17:09:37 OPPOSED?
17:09:42 THANK YOU, MISS BARNES.
17:09:45 >>ANNIE BARNES: THE LAST ITEM IS NUMBER 13, REZ 22-14.
17:09:48 THE PETITION WAS NOT PROPERLY NOTICED.
17:09:49 REMOVE THE ITEM FROM THE AGENDA.
17:09:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEM NUMBER 13.
17:09:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
17:09:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
17:09:57 ANY OPPOSED?
17:10:06 THANK YOU.
17:10:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, FILE
17:10:17 NUMBER DRI-22-72367.
17:10:20 BEFORE WE BEGIN, I THINK MISS HURTAK --
17:10:22 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
17:10:25 AND -- BECAUSE I KNOW TWO AND THREE ARE GOING TOGETHER,
17:10:28 I RECEIVED E-MAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS THAT ASKED ME TO
17:10:30 GO AND LOOK AT THE SITE.
17:10:34 SO I DO.
17:10:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE ANNOUNCING THE FACT YOU
17:10:38 VISITED THE SITE.
17:10:39 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I DID.
17:10:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
17:10:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
17:10:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I RECEIVED A FACEBOOK MESSENGER
17:10:49 MESSAGE -- IS REGARDING HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:10:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, MAKE IT CLEAR WILL WE BE
17:10:54 HEARING TWO AND THREE TOGETHER?
17:10:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
17:10:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, WE HAD THAT.
17:11:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MESSAGE I RECEIVED WAS FROM
17:11:03 SOMEONE NAMED JIMMY CLARK.
17:11:07 I ALREADY SCREEN SHOTTED IT, E-MAILED IT TO MYSELF SO
17:11:08 IT IS PUBLIC.
17:11:13 IT SAID I AM COMING DOWN TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
17:11:16 I HOPE I DON'T GET MOBBED.
17:11:17 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
17:11:19 A SCREEN SHOT IS THERE.
17:11:20 I DIDN'T RESPOND TO IT.
17:11:21 AND NOW YOU KNOW.
17:11:23 THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
17:11:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I ALSO -- EXCUSE ME, COUNCILMAN
17:11:26 MIRANDA.
17:11:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW IF I RECEIVED ANY
17:11:30 BECAUSE I HARDLY LOOK AT FAIRS FACE.
17:11:34 I DON'T LOOK AT ANY FACEBOOK.
17:11:36 ONCE IN A WHILE I LOOK AT SOMEBODY WHO SENDS ME A TEXT
17:11:39 -- I CALLED MIAMI A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO AND ASKED
17:11:43 THEM TO SEND ME AN ADDRESS THAT I HAVE TO MAIL A
17:11:45 PACKAGE FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
17:11:46 I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
17:11:50 I HAVEN'T READ IT.
17:11:53 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, THANK GOD YOU ARE NOT A SUPREME
17:11:56 COURT JUSTICE.
17:11:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
17:12:00 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I WAS MAKING A COPY.
17:12:03 AN OVERSIZED COPY, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE I AM NOT GOOD
17:12:05 WITH THE COPY MACHINE.
17:12:08 BUT I DID RECEIVE A MESSENGER MESSAGE THINK THAT
17:12:12 LITERALLY JUST SAW BECAUSE I DON'T ALWAYS CHECK MY
17:12:15 MESSENGER MERELY ON THE HARBOUR ISLAND MATTER STATING
17:12:18 SOMEBODY WAS COMING HERE THIS EVENING.
17:12:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MUST BE THE SAME GENTLEMAN, I
17:12:22 SUSPECT.
17:12:24 >>LUIS VIERA: I MADE COPIES.
17:12:30 SHALL I GIVE THIS TO YOU?
17:12:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HAVE YOU --
17:12:34 [LAUGHTER]
17:12:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I LIKE THE OVERSIZED PAPER.
17:12:39 [LAUGHTER]
17:12:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION IS WHAT WE CAN DO IS --
17:12:49 WE CAN PUT -- PUT ONE INTO THE RECORD AND MY SUGGESTION
17:12:52 WOULD BE IF YOU CAN JUST E-MAIL THAT TO THE CITY E-MAIL
17:12:56 SYSTEM PRESERVED AS A PUBLIC RECORD, PLEASE.
17:12:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALSO IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I RECEIVED A
17:13:02 MESSAGE FROM MR. JIMMY CLARK STATING HE WOULD BE DOWN
17:13:06 HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THE HOTEL.
17:13:09 AND I HAVE TAKEN SCREEN SHOTS OF THAT.
17:13:11 SENT THEM TO MY E-MAIL JUST IN CASE ANYBODY ASKS FOR
17:13:12 THEM.
17:13:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:13:17 JUST A REMINDER TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT DURING
17:13:20 THE COURSE OF THE HEARING, PLEASE DO NOT COMMUNICATE BY
17:13:25 TEXT OR BY E-MAIL TO THE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS DURING THE
17:13:26 COURSE OF THE HEARING.
17:13:29 EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE DECIDED HAS TO BE BASED ON
17:13:32 COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD AND THINGS
17:13:34 HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCLOSED AND I ASK THAT YOU
17:13:37 PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT FOR THOSE PEOPLE ESPECIALLY
17:13:39 AT HOME AS WELL.
17:13:42 AND COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER, IF EVERYTHING SHOULD COME
17:13:44 IN THAT YOU PLEASE IGNORE IT.
17:13:46 IF YOU HAPPEN TO READS IT OR SEE IT, THAT YOU DISCLOSE
17:13:48 IT DURING THE HEARING.
17:13:49 THANK YOU.
17:13:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE ARE
17:13:56 GOING TO BE OPENING ITEMS -- AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND
17:13:57 3 TOGETHER.
17:14:04 THOSE FILE NUMBER DRI 22-72367 AND FILE NUMBER
17:14:07 REZ-21-52.
17:14:13 SO THEY WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER.
17:14:14 MISS BARNES.
17:14:16 >>ANNIE BARNES: ANNIE BARNES, LANDS DEVELOPMENT
17:14:18 COORDINATION.
17:14:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SORRY, MISS BARNES, PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
17:14:24 ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TYPE OF EVIDENCE
17:14:30 TONIGHT OR IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING TONIGHT, WOULD YOU
17:14:34 PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN.
17:14:41 SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING AND GIVING COMMENTS
17:14:45 TONIGHT -- [SWEARING IN]
17:14:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST AS A REMINDER, MY
17:14:52 UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL.
17:14:55 SO I HAVE POSTED A LITTLE SIGN OVER THERE ON THE
17:15:00 LECTERN THAT SAYS -- ASKING WERE YOU SWORN IN.
17:15:03 SO WHEN YOU COME UP TO SPEAK, AFTER YOU STATE YOUR
17:15:07 NAME, A REMINDER TO STATE OFF THIS BEEN SWORN IN, IF
17:15:07 YOU DON'T MIND.
17:15:08 THANK YOU.
17:15:11 TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND.
17:15:16 >> IT SPILLED OVER ON THE FIRST FLOOR, PERHAPS.
17:15:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
17:15:22 YES, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
17:15:25 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, CITY LEGAL
17:15:27 DEPARTMENT.
17:15:29 PROPOSAL FOR DRI.
17:15:32 BECAUSE COUNCIL DOESN'T SEE THEM THAT OFTEN, TWO OR
17:15:35 THREE IN THE TIME THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
17:15:38 I WANTED TO GIVE A REFRESHER WHAT A DEVELOPMENT OF
17:15:41 REGIONAL IMPACT IS, A CREATURE OF STATUTE THAT WAS
17:15:44 CREATED TO ADDRESS THE REVIEW AND PROCESSING OF LARGE
17:15:46 SCALE DEVELOPMENTS THAT EFFECT MORE THAN ONE COUNTY AND
17:15:50 A MIXED-USE PROJECT LIKE THE HARBOUR ISLAND PROJECT IS
17:15:52 A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT WOULD
17:15:55 HAVE GOTTEN DRI REVIEW.
17:15:58 AND SO IT IS ALL -- IT IS ALL CONTROLLED BY FLORIDA
17:16:00 STATUTES AND THERE USED TO BE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE
17:16:04 REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO
17:16:07 COORDINATE ALL THE REVIEWING AGENCIES BOTH AT THE
17:16:12 STATE AND REGIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL, BUT IN 2015 AND
17:16:15 2018, THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSED SIGNIFICANT
17:16:18 LEGISLATION THAT VIRTUALLY ELIMINATED STATE AND
17:16:23 REGIONAL OVERSIGHT OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS OF REGIONAL
17:16:27 IMPACT AND TRANSFERRED THAT FOR IMPLEMENTING AND
17:16:30 APPROVING AMENDMENTS TO DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDERS TO LOCAL
17:16:32 GOVERNMENTS WHERE THE DROCHLTS LOCATED.
17:16:35 BECAUSE THE HARBOUR ISLAND DRI IS LOCATED IN THE CITY
17:16:38 OF TAMPA, THE CITY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO IMPLEMENT
17:16:42 AND APPROVE ANY AMENDMENTS OR OPPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE
17:16:45 HARBOUR ISLAND DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER.
17:16:48 THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST TO CHANGE TO THIS DRI IS
17:16:52 REQUESTING AN INCREASE IN ENTITLEMENTS UNDER THE
17:16:56 DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO PERMIT A MAXIMUM OF 150 HOTEL
17:17:00 ROOMS WITH ANCILLARY HOTEL USES AND 160 PARKING
17:17:01 SPACES.
17:17:04 SEEKING TO UPDATE MAP H TO REFLECT INCREASE IN
17:17:08 ENTITLEMENTS OF DETERMINATION DATE OF THE DEVELOPMENT
17:17:12 ORDER TO SEPTEMBER 22 ARE 2024, BASED ON EXTENSIONS
17:17:18 BASED ON THE STATUTORY RIGHT TO EXTEND, BASED ON
17:17:21 DECLARATION OF STATE OF EMERGENCY AND ALSO, IT IS
17:17:24 ASKING TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR ANNUAL
17:17:26 REPORTING THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.
17:17:31 AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISS BARNES TO
17:17:34 GIVE STAFF A PRESENTATION AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT
17:17:37 AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER
17:17:41 AND NOTICE OF PROPOSED CHANGE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
17:17:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
17:17:45 THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ,
17:17:48 >>ANNIE BARNES: ANNIE BARNES, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
17:17:50 I THINK STAFF STILL NEEDS TO SWEAR IN.
17:17:52 CAN WE BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.
17:17:54 >>CLERK: [SWEARING IN]
17:18:03 THANK YOU.
17:18:10 >>ANNIE BARNES: THANK YOU, ITEM NUMBER 3 IS REZ-21-52.
17:18:13 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 800 SOUTH HARBOUR
17:18:15 ISLAND BOULEVARD.
17:18:20 THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM PD TO PD.
17:18:21 I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO THE PLANNING
17:18:23 COMMISSION AND AFTER THEIR PRESENTATION, I WILL
17:18:29 CONCLUDE MINE.
17:18:31 >>JENNIFER MALONE: GOOD EVENING, JENNIFER MALONE WITH
17:18:32 THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
17:18:35 PARTICULAR HAVE PERMISSION -- THERE YOU GO -- TO SHARE
17:18:36 MY SCREEN.
17:18:40 SO AS ANNIE ALREADY OPENED UP, THERE IS 21-52.
17:18:44 IT IS LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT IN
17:18:45 HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:18:50 IT IS WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND
17:18:52 EVACUATION ZONE A.
17:18:56 THE SITE IS SERVED BY TRANSIT .4 MILES AWAY ON WATER
17:18:57 STREET.
17:18:59 AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
17:19:02 WE HAVE -- THIS IS HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:19:05 THERE IS A NUMBER OF HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT
17:19:09 ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE AVENUE AND AT THE CORNER
17:19:13 OF KNIGHT'S RUN AND SOUTH BENEFICIAL TO THE EAST OF THE
17:19:16 SITE THE JACKSON AND AMERICAN SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE
17:19:17 NORTH.
17:19:21 THERE IS A HARBOUR ISLAND ATHLETIC CLUB TO THE EAST.
17:19:24 AND A LOT OF -- A LOT OF HOUSE TOGETHER SOUTH OF THE
17:19:27 SUBJECT SITE AND VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING
17:19:32 ATTACHED, DETACHED, AND SOME CONDO, TOWN HOME-STYLE
17:19:32 HOUSING.
17:19:35 OF COURSE WE HAVE WATER STREET DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH
17:19:37 OFF OF THE ISLAND.
17:19:40 SO THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
17:19:44 THE ENTIRE HARBOUR ISLAND IS REGIONAL MIXED USE-100.
17:19:46 AND YOU WILL HEAR A LOT OF THE PLANNING EFFORTS THAT
17:19:50 HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE FOR HARBOUR ISLAND THROUGHOUT
17:19:51 THE YEARS ARE.
17:19:56 THAT THE COMP PLAN DES ANYTHING THAT IT $AS REGIONAL
17:19:57 MIXED USE-100.
17:20:00 AND THE WHOLE ISLAND IS PLANNED FOR HIGH INTENSITY
17:20:01 MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
17:20:04 DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE MIXED USE
17:20:07 AS I AM SURE YOU ALL KNOW, THAT MEANS A MIX OF USES.
17:20:11 AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT ON HARBOUR ISLAND AS IT IS DIRECT
17:20:14 $THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT TYPE
17:20:17 OF USES LIKE OFFICES, RESIDENTIAL, SOME RESTAURANTS,
17:20:20 ETC.
17:20:22 WE DID FIND THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WAS
17:20:24 CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:20:29 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT REGULATE HEIGHT AND PRO
17:20:31 STRIDES A GUIDELINES.
17:20:36 IN THE REGIONAL MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL USE CATEGORY,
17:20:39 DEVELOPMENTS CAN BE TYPICALLY UP TO 24 STORIES.
17:20:42 THE HEIGHT OF 12 STORIES WAS FOUND TO BE CONSISTENT
17:20:45 WITH THE PLAN AND FOUND COMPATIBLE WHAT IS DIRECTLY TO
17:20:48 ITS NORTH AND NORTHEAST.
17:20:51 WE ALSO FOUND THAT IT WAS FURTHERING THE MIXED USE
17:20:56 POLICY DIRECTION BY PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE ALONG
17:20:59 KNIGHTS RUN AVENUE THAT CONNECTS TO A PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
17:21:02 WE FOUND THAT THE INTEGRATED PARKING GARAGE THE
17:21:05 APPLICANT SAID SCREENED WITH 80% CAPACITY CONSISTENT
17:21:09 WITH OTHER POLICIES IN THE PLAN OF ARCHITECTURALLY
17:21:11 SCREENING PARKING GARAGES.
17:21:13 I WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE
17:21:17 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND THE PROPOSED PD IS
17:21:18 COMMERCIAL IN NATURE.
17:21:21 DOES NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND
17:21:25 THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS NOT SUBJECT TO 1.2.2.
17:21:27 SO OVERALL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THAT THE
17:21:30 PROPOSED REZONING IS COMPARABLE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE
17:21:33 SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONSISTENT WITH THAT
17:21:37 UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
17:21:41 I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO ANNIE, THANK YOU.
17:21:51 >>ANNIE BARNES: CAN I PLEASE SHARE MY SCREEN.
17:21:55 AGAIN, BARNS WARNINGS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
17:21:59 FOR 800 SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD.
17:22:06 THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM PD TO PD AND A HOTEL WITH
17:22:07 ANCILLARY USES.
17:22:12 THE APPLICATION IS NOT REQUESTING ANY WAIVERS.
17:22:15 HERE IS PART OF THE COMPLETE SITE PLAN PACKAGE SHOWING
17:22:17 THE OVERALL LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
17:22:21 THE PROPOSED REZONING IS FOR 150-ROOM HOTEL.
17:22:25 THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 158 PARKING SPACES
17:22:30 AND 160 PARKING SPACES ARE BEING PROVIDED.
17:22:33 SHOWN HERE IS ANOTHER AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT
17:22:34 PROPERTY.
17:22:37 A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA
17:22:42 WITH COMMERCIAL USES UP TO THE NORTH.
17:22:46 THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED PD AS WELL.
17:22:51 SHOWN HERE ARE THE NORTH AND EAST ELEVATIONS.
17:22:55 ALSO THE SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS.
17:22:59 THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND PROPERTY EAST
17:23:02 OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
17:23:06 AS WELL AS PROPERTY NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND
17:23:07 NORTHWEST.
17:23:12 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND CLIENT STAFF REVIEWED THE
17:23:15 PETITION CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA
17:23:17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS.
17:23:20 SHOULD COUNCIL APPROVE THE REZONING PETITION, FURTHER
17:23:22 MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN MUST BE COMPLETED IN
17:23:25 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE AS
17:23:27 STATED ON THE REVISION SHEET.
17:23:29 THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
17:23:31 I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
17:23:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
17:23:39 HEARING NONE.
17:23:45 PETITIONER.
17:23:47 MR. SHELBY.
17:23:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:23:56 I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH MR. CREMER.
17:24:10 AND THERE ARE SOME -- THERE ARE SOME PROCEDURAL ISSUES
17:24:12 THAT CAME TO LIGHT AND I WAS WONDERING WHETHER PERHAPS
17:24:15 NOW IS THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES.
17:24:19 IF THERE IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR CROSS EXAMINATION, I
17:24:21 WANTED TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.
17:24:25 MR. CREMER, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT NOW OR
17:24:29 DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS COME UP DURING THE HEARING.
17:24:30 >> JAKE CREMER FOR THE RECORD.
17:24:31 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
17:24:34 MR. SHELBY AND I TALKED OF THE POSSIBILITY TO
17:24:37 CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESS IT IS NEEDED.
17:24:42 WHAT WE DISCUSSED IS IF ANY WITNESSES NEED TO BE
17:24:44 CROSS-EXAMINED THAT WILL OCCUR DIRECTLY AFTER THAT
17:24:45 WITNESS SPOKE.
17:24:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, MR.
17:24:51 CHAIRMAN, IS WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ONLINE.
17:24:55 AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE CLERK KEEP THOSE PEOPLE ONLINE
17:24:58 FOR THE PERIOD AFTERWARDS IN CASE MR. CREMER OR
17:25:02 ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD HAVE STAND WHO YOU WANT TO BE
17:25:04 ABLE TO CROSS-EXAMINE.
17:25:07 AND ALSO, THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE -- IN THE ROOM OR
17:25:11 DOWNSTAIRS WHEN THEY COME UP TO SPEAK, THEY ALSO REMAIN
17:25:14 AFTERWARDS IN CASES THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
17:25:16 REQUIREMENT FOR CROSS EXAMINATION IN THIS CASE.
17:25:17 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:25:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY, IF I MAY ASK.
17:25:22 I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY OF LAW.
17:25:26 IF SOMEBODY IS GIVING A COMMENT, DOES THAT GIVE MR.
17:25:28 CREMER THE RIGHT TO CROSS-EXAMINE.
17:25:32 OR IF SOMEONE IS GIVEN COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
17:25:32 EVIDENCE.
17:25:35 I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT.
17:25:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CREMER WOULD BE TOO, NOT ON
17:25:43 SOMEBODY ELSE'S OPINION, UNLESS THEY WERE AN EXPERT.
17:25:47 >> CORRECT, IF SOMEONE IS AN EXPERT AND NOT PERSONAL
17:25:48 OPINION, YES, SIR.
17:25:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: UNDERSTOOD.
17:25:52 >> MR. CHAIR, JUST ANOTHER MATTER OF HOUSE KEEPING
17:25:53 SINCE THIS IS TWO HEARINGS.
17:25:55 I SEE MY TIMER SAYS 30 MINUTES.
17:25:59 I HOPE TO NOT TAKE THAT MUCH TIME, BUT IS THAT MY TIME
17:26:02 OR INTRODUCTION AND REBUTTAL ALL TOGETHER OR HOW ARE WE
17:26:05 GOING TO KEEP TIME TONIGHT?
17:26:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WILL SHELBY.
17:26:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WAS THAT?
17:26:16 BEING HEARD TOGETHER, I DON'T THINK THE DRI WILL TAKE
17:26:16 THAT MUCH TIME.
17:26:17 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
17:26:19 I THINK I NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN 15 MINUTES.
17:26:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOW MUCH TIME ARE YOU REQUESTING?
17:26:25 >> 20 MINUTES DIRECT.
17:26:27 AND 10 MINUTES TOTAL FOR REBUTTAL.
17:26:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I FEEL THAT IS ALL RIGHT.
17:26:32 ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT?
17:26:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY.
17:26:35 THAT IS FINE WITH ME, BUT THE OTHER SIDE -- THE
17:26:43 PETITIONER THEY ARE ALSO ENTITLED TO THE SAME AMOUNT.
17:26:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MR.
17:26:47 CREMER?
17:26:49 >> I AM NOT SURE -- I KNOW THERE IS AT LEAST ONE
17:26:50 ATTORNEY HERE IN OPPOSITION.
17:26:53 I AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH TIME THAT THEY HAVE THROUGH
17:26:55 WAIVERS FOR THEIR ASSOCIATION.
17:27:00 SO I AM HAPPY TO GIVE THEM THE TIME THEY NEED.
17:27:03 I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT --
17:27:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ARE ASKING FOR 20 MINUTES TOTAL?
17:27:08 >> FOR MY INITIAL PRESENTATION, YES, SIR.
17:27:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION TO THAT.
17:27:11 >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
17:27:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
17:27:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
17:27:15 ANY OPPOSED?
17:27:16 THANK YOU.
17:27:19 >> LAST MATTER OF HOUSEKEEPING, MR. CHAIR.
17:27:22 I PRESENTED SOME BINDERS AND ASK THAT THEY BE ENTERED
17:27:23 INTO THE RECORD.
17:27:26 THEY HAVE EXPERT REPORTS AND RESUMES.
17:27:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
17:27:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
17:27:33 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
17:27:36 ANY OBJECTION?
17:27:37 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
17:27:39 IF WE CAN GO TO THE PRESENTATION PLEASE.
17:27:43 AGAIN, JAKE CREMER WITH STEARNS, WEAVER, MILLER, 401
17:27:44 EAST JACKSON STREET.
17:27:46 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
17:27:49 WE ARE PROPOSING AN AC HOTEL BY MARRIOTT ON HARBOUR
17:27:53 ISLAND AS HEARD BY STAFF.
17:27:57 IT IS TO MIRROR THE CONTEXT OF DOWNTOWN AND HARBOUR
17:27:58 ISLAND.
17:28:01 WE PUT TOGETHER OUR TEAM VERY PURPOSELY, LIBERTY, THE
17:28:04 DEVELOPER, HAS EXPERIENCED DEVELOPING MARRIOTT AND A
17:28:06 HILTON IN DOWNTOWN.
17:28:10 ALL OF THE COMPANIES THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH ALSO HAVE
17:28:13 EXPERIENCE DEVELOPING HOTELS IN DOWNTOWN.
17:28:20 TONIGHT, WE ARE PROPOSING TO REDEVELOP AN OBSOLETE BANK
17:28:23 BUILDING WITH A UPSCALE LIFESTYLE HOTEL.
17:28:26 IN HAS BEEN AN 18-MONTH PROCESS, COUNCIL, AND INVOLVED
17:28:29 MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
17:28:32 REDUCED THE HOTEL FROM 15 TO 12 STORIES TO BE SHORTER
17:28:35 THAN THE ADJACENT OFFICE BUILDING.
17:28:39 WE COMPLETELY REDESIGNED THE HOTEL A FEW MONTHS AGO.
17:28:44 AND ADDED AN ANCILLARY ARTIST GALLERY IN THE CAFE AND
17:28:46 INTEGRATED ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO ACTIVATE THE
17:28:49 STREET AND PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE THE STREET
17:28:49 SAFER.
17:28:53 UNLIKE MANY PDS THAT YOU ALL SEE, WE HAVE REMOVED ALL
17:28:55 WAIVERS AND FULLY PARKED THIS BUILDING AT THE REQUEST
17:28:57 OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:29:01 AGAIN, WE DID THIS BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
17:29:04 SO LET'S JUMP INTO THE CONTEXT.
17:29:07 WE ARE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HARBOUR ISLAND, AS
17:29:08 STAFF MENTIONED.
17:29:12 THE SITE IS LOCATED ABOUT A BLOCK FROM THE WESTIN HOTEL
17:29:16 WHICH IS ON HARBOUR ISLAND AND NORTH OF THE ATHLETIC
17:29:17 CLUB.
17:29:21 ALSO NORTH OF THE GATES FOR A GATED COMMUNITY ON THE
17:29:23 SOUTH SIDE OF HARBOUR ISLAND THAT YOU SEE IN RED AND
17:29:27 WILL BE IN RED IN THE NEXT SERIES OF SLIDES.
17:29:30 URBAN USES SURROUND THE SITE MAKING IT PRIME FOR
17:29:31 REDEVELOPMENT.
17:29:35 THIS IS REALLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INTERSECTION ON
17:29:36 HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:29:39 THE BANK BUILDING WAS BUILT 35 YEARS AGO AS THE
17:29:42 ORIGINAL SALES CENTER FOR HARBOR ISLAND.
17:29:45 IT IS OUTDATED AND GOING TO BE REPLACED AT SOME TIME.
17:29:47 THE ONLY QUESTION IS, WHAT?
17:29:49 WHAT WILL BE REPLACING IT.
17:29:54 THEN A SUNTRUST BANK AND THEN AN OFFICE BUILDING.
17:29:57 AS STAFF MENTIONED ALL WITHIN A DRI.
17:30:01 WHAT THAT MEANS THAT ALL OF ISLANDS WAS PLANNED
17:30:06 PURPOSELY BY STAFF, BY THE REGIONAL COUNCIL AND STATE
17:30:07 AGENCIES.
17:30:08 THEY ALL HAD INPUT.
17:30:12 THIS DRI IS WHY WE FILED A COMPANION NOTICE OF PROPOSED
17:30:14 CHANGE.
17:30:16 HARBOUR ISLAND IS THE FIRST MASTER PLAN MIXED USE
17:30:17 COMMUNITY IN TAMPA.
17:30:20 AS PLANNED, USES ARE MIXED THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND AND
17:30:23 NOT NECESSARILY BUILDING BY BUILDING.
17:30:26 FUNCTIONALLY, HARBOUR ISLAND IS AN EXTENSION OF
17:30:27 DOWNTOWN.
17:30:32 IT IS PART OF THE URBAN HEART AND URBAN CORE OF TAMPA.
17:30:35 OVERTIME THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ISLAND BEGAN TO REALIZE
17:30:36 THAT ORIGINAL VISION.
17:30:40 THE SOUTH BEHIND THE GATES DEVELOPED OUT AT MOST LOWER
17:30:42 DENSITIES THAN ORIGINALLY PLANNED.
17:30:47 SO TONIGHT IS REALLY A TALE OF TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.
17:30:49 YOU HAVE THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ISLAND WHERE THE SITE IS
17:30:55 LOCATED WHICH CONSISTS OF COMMERCIAL, HOTEL, OFFICE,
17:30:58 RETAIL AND VERY DENSE RESIDENTIAL.
17:31:01 THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ISLAND BEHIND THE GATES IS MIXED
17:31:02 DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
17:31:07 EVERYTHING FROM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES EIGHT-STORY
17:31:07 RESIDENTIAL.
17:31:12 SOUTH SIDE IS AN EXCLUSIVE GATED ENCLAVE AND NOT OPEN
17:31:14 TO THE PUBLIC.
17:31:17 AS STAFF MENTIONED, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR
17:31:18 BANK AND OFFICE USES.
17:31:20 AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ISLAND, THAT
17:31:24 COMMUNITY HAS ITS OWN SERIES OF PDS.
17:31:27 AND THE -- I THINK IT IS SIGNIFICANT THAT THE
17:31:35 BOUNDARIES OF THOSE PDS BASICALLY FOLLOW THE GATES.
17:31:41 FUTURE LAND USE FROM REGULATORY, THE ISLAND HAS THE
17:31:45 MOST INTENSE LANDS USE IN THE CITY OUTSIDE OF CDB.
17:31:47 THE SAME CATEGORY AS CHANNELSIDE.
17:31:49 THAT IS WHERE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:31:52 THAT IS THE TRAJECTORY FOR HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:31:58 RMU-100 ALLOWS HIGH RISE UP TO 24 STORIES AND KEEP IN
17:32:00 MIND WE ARE PROPOSING ONLY HALF THAT.
17:32:02 THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOTES THAT WE ARE IN A MIXED
17:32:05 USE CORRIDOR THAT ENCOURAGES TRANSIT AND CLOSE AND
17:32:08 WALKABLE TO THE TROLLEY AND WALKABLE TO THE CONVENTION
17:32:12 CENTER AND WALKABLE TO THE ARENA.
17:32:16 AS YOUR PROVISIONAL STAFF NOTES IN THEIR REPORT, THIS
17:32:18 HOTEL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND COMPATIBLE
17:32:19 WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:32:23 COMPATIBILITY IS NOT AN EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, COUNCIL.
17:32:26 IT SIMPLY MEANS THAT LAND USES CAN CO-EXIST OVER TIME
17:32:27 WITH EACH OTHER.
17:32:29 THEY WORK TOGETHER OVER TIME.
17:32:35 AND WHAT YOUR EXPERTS AND OURS -- EXPERT REPORT IN YOUR
17:32:37 BINDER WHAT THEY HAVE SAID THAT IS HAPPENING IN HARBOUR
17:32:41 ISLAND NOW WITH THE USES THAT ARE, THERE THAT ARE
17:32:44 PLANS, HOTELS, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, HIGH AND LOW
17:32:45 DENSITY.
17:32:48 WHAT THIS GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATES JUST THAT THAT THIS
17:32:50 BUILDING'S HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE.
17:32:54 OVERALL, THERE ARE BUILDINGS TALLER THAN THIS PROJECT.
17:32:57 AND THERE ARE SEVEN BUILDINGS BETWEEN SEVEN AND 12
17:33:00 STORIES IN THE SAME RANGE OF THIS BUILDING.
17:33:02 INCLUDES TWO BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH OF THE
17:33:03 GATE.
17:33:07 WHAT YOU WILL ALSO NOTE ON OUR SITE BLUE AND GREEN AS
17:33:10 OUR ARCHITECT WILL EXPLAIN.
17:33:12 THE BLUE IS THE TALLER PORTION OF THE BUILDING AS YOU
17:33:15 SEE IS PUSHED UP TOWARD THE MORE DENSE PART OF THE
17:33:18 ISLAND AND THE GREEN, THE BUILDING STEPS DOWN WHICH IS
17:33:22 FACING THE LESS DENSE -- LESS INTENSE PART OF THE
17:33:27 ISLAND.
17:33:29 NOW THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE ISLAND SOUTH OF THIS
17:33:32 BUILDING ALLOWS FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE TALLER -- THE
17:33:36 ZONING ALLOWS FOR BUILDINGS UP TO 158 FEET AS OPPOSED
17:33:39 TO OUR 145.
17:33:43 SO THIS SHOWS -- THIS HELPS EMPHASIZE THE COMPATIBILITY
17:33:45 PICTURE.
17:33:49 IN READ THE EIGHT-STORY MULTIFAMILY IN THE SOUTH
17:33:49 NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:33:54 AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE VERY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL.
17:34:00 140 FEET FROM SINGLE-FAMILY AND 132 FEET MULTIFAMILY.
17:34:04 THE HOTEL IS MUCH FURTHER AWAY 541 FEET FROM
17:34:06 SINGLE-FAMILY.
17:34:09 NOW AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
17:34:13 PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST ROBUST COMMUNITY OUTREACH HE
17:34:15 BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF YEARS ESPECIALLY WITH
17:34:16 COVID.
17:34:18 WE WORKED VERY HARD.
17:34:22 WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE MASTER ASSOCIATION HIX A.
17:34:27 WE HAD A PA MEETING WITH THE GROUP BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD
17:34:29 ASSOCIATION AND HAD A VIRTUAL COMMUNITY MEETING IN
17:34:32 JANUARY AND A IN-PERSON COMMUNITY MEETING THAT YOU SEE
17:34:34 THE PICTURES OF HERE IN APRIL.
17:34:36 AFTER THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING, WE COMPLETELY
17:34:38 DESIGNED THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
17:34:42 BY THAT, WE LITERALLY START ED WITH SQUARE ONE.
17:34:45 WE THREW OUT THE PLANS BASED ON THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK
17:34:47 WE RECEIVED AND REDESIGNED THE ENTIRE PROJECT
17:34:51 INSIDE-OUT ALL THE WAY TO THE SITE PLAN.
17:34:54 UNTER I DON'T REMEMBER, EXTERIOR, EVERYTHING.
17:34:57 THESE ARE JUST -- REALLY THE TOP TEN CHANGES.
17:35:04 WE REDUCED THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, REDUCED THE BUILDING'S
17:35:05 SQUARE FOOTAGE.
17:35:08 REDUCED THE NUMBER OF GUEST ROOMS.
17:35:11 ELIMINATED ALL WAIVERS AND DESIGNED THE EXTERIOR AGAIN.
17:35:15 COMPLETELY ENCLOSED THE LOADING ZONE AND THE TRASH
17:35:16 COMPACTOR.
17:35:22 RETAINED THE HARBOUR ISLAND SIGNAGE AND ANNOUNCED A
17:35:25 HOTEL FLAG SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE
17:35:26 GOING TO GET.
17:35:30 THEN WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL IN-PERSON COMMUNITY
17:35:32 MEETING LAST MONTH.
17:35:35 AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE TOOK THAT FEEDBACK AND TOOK
17:35:37 THREE STEPS.
17:35:41 THE FIRST IS WE HEARD A CONCERN THAT THE HOTEL RIGHT BE
17:35:44 OPEN TO PARKING BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT OVERPARKED.
17:35:49 THAT THE HOTEL MAY BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR
17:35:49 PARKING.
17:35:53 AND BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING THAT PARK ALSO NOT
17:35:56 BE OPEN FOR A GENERAL PUBLIC.
17:35:59 SECOND CONCERN WE HAD IS PEOPLE ASKING FOR A LITTLE
17:36:00 MORE ACTIVATION OF THE GROUND FLOOR.
17:36:04 SO WHAT -- WHAT WE AGREED TO DO, WHAT WE HAVE COME UP
17:36:08 WITH IS INTEGRATE AN ARTIST GALLERY INTO THE FIRST
17:36:11 FLOOR LOBBY AND SPACES TO INTRODUCE TRAVELERS TO
17:36:12 TAMPA'S ART SCENE.
17:36:17 SO THAT THE SPACE CAN REALLY BE SORT OF AN INTIMATE
17:36:19 GATHERING SPACE.
17:36:22 COFFEE HOURS, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND SO ON.
17:36:24 THE THIRD THING WE DID, WE HEARD CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC
17:36:28 FLOWS OFF OF THE ISLAND DURING SPECIAL EVENTS, LIKE
17:36:29 TONIGHT, RIGHT.
17:36:33 AND SO WHAT WE DID, IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM THAT WE
17:36:34 DIDN'T CREATE IT.
17:36:38 BUT WE WENT TO TAMPA -- THE CITY OF TAMPA'S MOBILITY
17:36:41 STAFF AND HAD A CONVERSATION IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN
17:36:43 TO DO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THIS.
17:36:46 WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT YOUR STAFF IS ACTUALLY AHEAD
17:36:47 OF THE GAME.
17:36:49 THEY COMMISSIONED THE REPORT.
17:36:52 THE REPORT HAS DONE AND THEY ARE ANALYZING IT.
17:36:54 THE REPORT GIVES A DOZEN POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO THE
17:36:58 FRANKLIN STREET, HARBOUR ISLAND CORRIDOR.
17:37:00 PHYSICAL THINGS THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE DONE TO IMPROVE
17:37:01 THAT SITUATION.
17:37:05 MOBILITY STAFF AGREED THEY WILL THEY WILL LOOK AT THE
17:37:09 TIMING OF LIGHTS IN THE FRANKLIN STREET CORRIDOR TO SEE
17:37:12 IF THAT COULD HELP THE SITUATION DURING SPECIAL EVENTS.
17:37:14 WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER
17:37:17 TO OUR ARCHITECT TO EXPLAIN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILDING
17:37:19 AND SHOW YOU THE DESIGN.
17:37:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR.
17:37:23 SINCE MR. CREMER IS GOING TO SWITCH OVER AND SWITCH
17:37:27 GEARS, LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
17:37:28 >> YES, SIR.
17:37:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU SAID THE HOTEL WILL NOT BE OPEN
17:37:31 TO THE PUBLIC.
17:37:34 IF YOU ARE A HOTEL, EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.
17:37:37 THE HOTEL IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
17:37:38 HOW DOES THAT WORK?
17:37:42 >> THE SPECIFIC CONCERN WE HEARD WAS THAT WHAT IF -- IF
17:37:46 THE PARKING IS JUST OPEN TO ANYONE, PEOPLE WHO MAY
17:37:49 WANT TO COME DOWN TO HARBOUR ISLAND AND CAN'T FIND
17:37:54 PARKING OTHERWISE MAY PARK IN THE BUILDING.
17:37:57 AND THE CONCERN WE HEARD WAS THAT, HEY, IF YOU WERE
17:37:59 GOING TO BE A HOTEL, IT SHOULD BE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO
17:38:02 HAVE A PURPOSE OF BEING THERE IN THAT SPACE.
17:38:06 AND SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE PARKING IS --
17:38:07 YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE A PURPOSE.
17:38:10 YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE A REASON OF BEING IN THE BUILDING
17:38:14 OR BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROPERTY.
17:38:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM JUST WONDERING HOW YOU ARE GOING
17:38:19 TO CONTROL THAT.
17:38:25 >> THE PARK ALSO BE VALET SERVICE.
17:38:27 GUDES MR. CREMER, CONTINUE SIR.
17:38:30 >> THE PARK ALSO BE VALET.
17:38:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
17:38:34 >> IF WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR PRESENTATION, OUR ARCHITECT
17:38:36 WILL USE THE PRESENTATION.
17:38:42 THANK YOU.
17:38:44 >> THANK YOU, JAKE.
17:38:49 MY NAME IS MICKEY JACOBS WITH MIDWOOD HILL ARCHITECT
17:38:51 AND THE DESIGN ARCHITECT FOR THE RECORD AND I HAVE BEEN
17:38:53 SWORN IN.
17:38:55 I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HOTEL.
17:38:57 WE DESIGNED IT.
17:38:59 WE ARE VERY PROUD OF IT.
17:39:02 WE HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU.
17:39:04 I WANT TO START WITH THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THE
17:39:07 COMMUNITY INTERACTS WITH THE BUILDING THE MOST ON THE
17:39:08 STREETSCAPE.
17:39:11 WE HAVE TAKEN GREAT CARE IN LOOKING HOW THE STREETSCAPE
17:39:14 EFFECTS IS GOING ON AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
17:39:17 I WANT TO POINT OUT FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I THINK
17:39:19 ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
17:39:23 ONE IS THE SIDEWALK AREA THAT WE ARE CREATED.
17:39:24 INTERACTIVE WIDE AREA.
17:39:26 WELL LIT.
17:39:28 CANOPIES FROM THE BUILDING.
17:39:29 AREAS FOR GATHERING.
17:39:32 AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED HOW THAT CONNECTS BOTH DOWN TO
17:39:34 THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD AND BACK INTO THE NORTH
17:39:38 NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
17:39:42 SECONDLY, WE HAVE CREATED A PORTE COCHERE VALET PARKING
17:39:44 SO THE CAR ALSO COME IN.
17:39:48 THE GUESTS WILL COME IN BY AUTO OFF OF KNIGHT'S RUN
17:39:52 AVENUE AND TURN INTO A COVERED PORTE COCHERE AREA THAT
17:39:56 IS UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING CANOPY SO THE CARS HAVE
17:39:58 PRIVACY.
17:40:02 THE CARS ARE OUT OF VIEW AND SAFER AND OUT OF THE
17:40:04 ELEMENT OF THE GUESTS ARRIVING AT THE HOTEL.
17:40:08 THIRDLY, TAKING THE LOADING BERTHS AND LOADING DOCKS
17:40:11 AND MOVED THEM BACK INTO THE BUILDING SUBSTANTIALLY SO
17:40:14 THAT ANY DELIVERIES COMING IN THERE WILL BE DONE
17:40:17 UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY OF THE BUILDING.
17:40:20 NO TRUCKS WILL BE STICKING OUT WITH PUBLIC VIEW AND A
17:40:23 ROLLING DOOR IN FRONT OF IT WHEN IT IS NOT IN USE.
17:40:28 LASTLY AS JAKE MENTION, HOW WE REPURPOSED THE GROUND
17:40:31 FLOOR SPACE AND THE COMMUNITY WILL BE INVITED IN TO THE
17:40:32 SPACE ITSELF.
17:40:35 AS WE CONTINUE TO PROGRAM THAT SPACE.
17:40:38 I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU FOR A WALK AROUND THE BUILDING
17:40:38 NOW.
17:40:42 THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION OFF OF KNIGHT'S RUN AVENUE.
17:40:46 THE BUILDING IS 145 FEET AT 12 STORIES.
17:40:49 A GROUND-FLOOR ACTIVATED SPACE, PUBLIC SPACE.
17:40:52 FOUR STORIES OF PARKING.
17:40:56 ONE STORY ABOVE OF AMENITY SPACE WHICH IS POOL.
17:40:58 AND SIX FLOORS OF GUEST ROOMS.
17:41:01 THE MATERIALS WILL BE A LOT OF THE MATERIALS YOU FIND
17:41:03 ALREADY IN HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:41:07 PRECAST PANELS, METAL PANELS, STONE AND A LOT OF GLASS.
17:41:12 BECAUSE TRANSPARENCY AT THIS HO-ZUHARS TELL IS
17:41:14 SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING FOR BEING CONNECTED WITH THE
17:41:17 COMMUNITY BOTH LIGHT IN AND OUT.
17:41:22 ON THE FRONT, CREATED AN ENTRANCE PORTICO WHICH DEFINES
17:41:25 THE PUBLIC INPUT INTO THE BUILDING ITSELF, DIRECTLY
17:41:27 INTO THE SITE.
17:41:29 AS WE MOVE UP A BIT FROM THE VIEW FROM THE NORTHWEST
17:41:33 CORNER WE WANT TO POINT OUT HOW THE PUBLIC SPACE ON THE
17:41:33 SIDEWALK WORKS.
17:41:36 YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BITTER BEYOND THE WORDS THAT
17:41:37 ARE ON THE SCREEN.
17:41:39 HOWEVER, IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO
17:41:42 WITH THAT, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CREATE
17:41:45 OPPORTUNITIES AND PROMOTE UNINTENDED SOCIAL COLLISIONS
17:41:48 THAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU ARE OUT WALKING IN THE
17:41:50 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND BEING AN AREA THAT IS WIDE AND AREA
17:41:54 THAT IS WELL LIT, AN AREA THAT HAS A LOT OF SPACE.
17:41:58 WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL PROMOTE THAT.
17:42:01 AS WE DRAW CLOSE NEITHER BUILDING LOOKING FROM THE STOP
17:42:05 SIGN AT KNIGHT'S RUN IN SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD,
17:42:09 I WANTED TO POINT OUT THE VERTICAL ELEMENT AT THE
17:42:12 CORNER OF THE BUILDING WHICH IS THE ARCHITECTURAL ICON.
17:42:17 WE WANT THAT BE THE BEACON THAT WILL BE RECOGNIZABLE.
17:42:21 AT NIGHT SUBTLELY LIT AND REPRESENTS WHAT IS A LOVELY
17:42:24 ARCHITECTURAL ICON THAT WILL BE RECOGNIZABLE NOR THE
17:42:27 BUILDING AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.
17:42:30 ADDITIONALLY WE ARE ADDING UNIQUE SPACES LIKE THIS ONE
17:42:32 ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRY FROM THE PEDESTRIAN.
17:42:35 AN OUTDOOR CAFE SPACE.
17:42:38 IT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ANYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO
17:42:41 GO IN THERE AND GET A COOL DRINK AND COCKTAIL AND SIT
17:42:45 OUTSIDE ON THIS BALCONY SPACE AND ENJOY THE ELEMENTS
17:42:48 AND VIEWS IN THIS WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:42:51 AS WE MOVE AROUND TO THE EAST SIDE ELEVATION, ONE OF
17:42:54 THE THINGS WE REALLY TRIED TO KEY ON WAS A VARIETY OF
17:42:57 DEPTHS ON THE ELEVATION TO CREATE VIRTUAL INTEREST IN
17:42:59 UNIQUE SHADOWS.
17:43:03 WE DID NOT WANT TO HAVE A FLAT BUILDING, BUT ONE THAT
17:43:07 IS REALLY UNIQUE WHAT IS GOING ON HARBOUR ISLAND AT
17:43:08 THIS POINT IN TIME.
17:43:13 CREATED AN ENTRY PORTICO WHERE WE HAVE A MAIN
17:43:14 ENTRANCE.
17:43:20 ABOVE THAT PORTICO, WE WILL COMMIT DOING PUBLIC HA ART
17:43:22 TO SUPPORT THE CITY OF TAMPA PUBLIC ARTS PROGRAM.
17:43:26 AS WE MOVE OUT A LITTLE BIT FROM IT, WE CAN SEE THE
17:43:28 GUEST ENTRY OFF OF KNIGHT'S RUN.
17:43:32 IT GOES INTO AN OPENING THAT IS -- WITH CANOPIES OVER
17:43:35 TOP OF IT WHERE THE VEHICLES GO UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING
17:43:36 ITSELF.
17:43:38 ALSO WE ADDED A NUMBER OF TREES DOWN IN THE PEDESTRIAN
17:43:42 AREA AND AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING FOR MORE
17:43:45 SHADED OPPORTUNITIES WHERE PEDESTRIANS ARE GOING.
17:43:47 AS WE CLOSE IN CLOSER ON THAT.
17:43:49 WE CAN SEE WHERE WE COME INTO THE VALET.
17:43:52 THAT AREA OF THE BUILDING IS COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT
17:43:54 WITH GLASS.
17:43:56 IN AND OUT.
17:43:59 SEE IN, SEE OUT WITH IT AT ALL TIMES THAT MAKES IT A
17:44:01 LOT EASIER FOR GUESTS.
17:44:04 BUT TO THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE UNDERNEATH THE PUBLIC ART
17:44:06 A LARGE CANOPY.
17:44:09 THE CANOPY FOR RIDE SHARES.
17:44:12 WE THOUGHT CIRCULATION ON THE SITE SO PEOPLE CAN WALK
17:44:16 ACROSS THE VALET AREA AND DIRECTLY INTO THEIR RIDE
17:44:19 SHARE WHICH IS ALSO OVER COVER FROM THE ELEMENTS.
17:44:22 AS WE GO TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE
17:44:25 THE ENTRY INTO THE LOADING DOCK AREA.
17:44:29 AS MENTIONED THE LOADING DOCK -- THE FRONT OF THE
17:44:31 LOADING DOCK IS SUBSTANTIALLY SUCH WAITED UNDERNEATH
17:44:35 THE BUILDING ITSELF AND WE WANTED TO DO THAT TO KEEP
17:44:38 EVERYTHING OUT OF VIEW OF ANY KIND OF DELIVERY
17:44:38 VEHICLES.
17:44:43 ADDITIONALLY, AS YOU CAN DOWN ON THE CORNER DOWN TO
17:44:46 THAT ON THE LEFT, ALL -- ANY VEHICLES COMING IN THERE
17:44:49 WILL DO THE MANUEVERING WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF THE
17:44:51 SITE WITH US AND ADJACENTLY TO THE HARBOUR ISLAND
17:44:54 ATHLETIC CLUB.
17:44:58 ALSO WE WILL HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMPACTOR IN THERE THAT
17:45:03 WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED VISITS OF SOLID
17:45:04 WASTE VEHICLES.
17:45:07 AS WE MOVE TO THE WEST ELEVATION, THIS IS THE ELEVATION
17:45:09 THAT WILL PROBABLY BE MOST USED BY THE RESIDENTIAL
17:45:12 NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:45:17 WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE DO VERTICAL
17:45:21 TRANSPARENCY HERE WITH HORIZONTAL ELEMENTS WITHIN THAT
17:45:24 ITSELF AND REALLY CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HAVE BEEN
17:45:26 TOLD I HAVE GOT TO GO FAPS ER.
17:45:28 SO YOU CAN SEE HERE HOW TO WORKS.
17:45:32 THE OTHER THING TOO AS JAKE HAD MENTIONED THE VERTICAL
17:45:34 ELEMENTS WITH THE HIGHEST ELEMENTS FACE THE HIGH
17:45:37 DENSITY HIGH RISE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE STEP THE
17:45:39 BUILDING BACK DOWN.
17:45:43 AND HERE IS VIEW OF THAT AS WE WILL SEE FROM THE
17:45:46 STREETSCAPE ITSELF.
17:45:47 OUR POOL AREA.
17:45:50 WE SCREENED THE POOL ON THE SOUTH SIDE TOWARD THE
17:45:53 NEIGHBORHOOD AND CREATED A VISTA FOR LOOKING AT GREAT
17:45:55 SUNSETS.
17:45:56 OUR AMENITIES.
17:46:01 WE WILL DO HIGH-END DESIGN USING OTHER AC HOTELS AS
17:46:03 EXAMPLES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
17:46:06 THIS WILL BE A HIGH -- VERY HIGH-SCALE ELEGANT HOTEL.
17:46:09 NOT MEANT BE TOO BEACH HOTEL.
17:46:12 SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO THAT REALLY ELEVATES THE WHOLE
17:46:13 NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:46:15 YOU CAN SEE AS WE DROPPED THE BUILDING INTO THE
17:46:19 NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF, THE SCALE WHERE IT IS WITH THE
17:46:20 ADJACENT BUILDINGS.
17:46:22 YOU CAN SEE HOW THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACES ON TO
17:46:26 THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING ITSELF.
17:46:29 AND GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON THE L-SHAPE OF THE BUILDING
17:46:31 HOW IT STEPS BACK DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
17:46:34 THE 12 STORIES FACE OUT INTO THE HIGH DENSITY AREA
17:46:38 ITSELF AND THE REST OF THE BUILDING STEPS DOWN AS GOOD
17:46:44 URBAN DESIGN PRINCIPLES DICTATE IN MIXED USE AREAS.
17:46:46 AGAIN FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE LOWER
17:46:50 PORTION OF THE PARKING GARAGE STEPS DOWN ALONG THAT
17:46:52 NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD.
17:46:55 AND THEN FINALLY, HOW THE BUILDING -- THE SCALE OF IT
17:46:59 AND THE MASSING COMPARES TO THE BUILDINGS' ADJACENT TO
17:47:02 IT ON KNIGHT'S RUN ITSELF.
17:47:04 AS PART OF THE MIXED USE AREA.
17:47:07 IN BUILDING AND MASSIVE SCALE STEPS BACK INTO THE
17:47:10 RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WE ARE TRYING HARD IN TERMS OF
17:47:12 DESIGNING THIS IN A MEANS OF WHICH WE WOULD REALLY
17:47:13 RESPECT THAT.
17:47:18 AND FINALLY, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CREATED THAT BEACON
17:47:23 WHICH WE THINK IS ELEGANT AND AN IMPORTANT PROJECT.
17:47:26 BECAUSE THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIVE ON HARBOUR
17:47:26 ISLAND.
17:47:30 SO WE ARE VERY DEDICATED OUR ENTIRE TEAM AND OUR DESIGN
17:47:34 TEAM TO DESIGN AN ICONIC, ELEGANT SUSTAINABLE BUILDING
17:47:38 THAT WILL ENHANCE THE URBAN EXPERIENCE ON THE ISLAND.
17:47:39 THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
17:47:43 THANK YOU.
17:47:45 >> GOOD EVENING, ANDY COHEN.
17:47:47 COHEN AND COMPANY.
17:47:48 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
17:47:51 WE PREPARED THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS FOR THE STUDY
17:47:53 CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY OF
17:47:57 TAMPA AND THOROUGHLY APPROVED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY
17:47:58 OF TAMPA TRANSPORTATION STAFF.
17:48:00 THE IMPORTANT FEATURE OUT YOU HAVE THIS PARTICULAR
17:48:04 TRAFFIC STUDY THIS HOTEL DID NOT CHANGE A SINGLE LEVEL
17:48:07 OF SERVICE OF ANY OF THE INTERSECTIONS WE REVIEWED.
17:48:10 AT HARBOUR ISLAND AND KNIGHT'S RUN.
17:48:13 LEVEL SERVICE B IN THE MORNING AND LEVEL B WITH THE
17:48:14 HOTEL ADDED.
17:48:17 IN THE AFTERNOON LEVEL OF SERVICE C IN THE MORNING AND
17:48:22 C IN THE AFTERNOON WITH THE HOTEL ADDS $IN 2024.
17:48:26 BOTH THE DRIVEWAYS SHADE WITH THE ATHLETIC OPERATE
17:48:29 LEVEL OF SERVICE A TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE WITH OR
17:48:30 WITHOUT THIS PROJECT.
17:48:32 THIS PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORTATION
17:48:33 IMPACT.
17:48:36 THAT DOES NOT SAY THAT HARBOUR ISLAND DOESN'T HAVE AND
17:48:39 SUFFER FROM CONGESTION OF TRAFFIC ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
17:48:42 THE BRIDGE WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER AND ARENA AS
17:48:45 THEIR SPECIAL EVENT AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
17:48:47 THANK YOU.
17:48:50 >> THANK YOU, JAKE CREMER, AGAIN.
17:48:51 CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION?
17:48:54 COUNCIL, I WILL JUST LEAVE WITH YOU PARTING THOUGHTS.
17:48:56 YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WORKED REALLY HARD.
17:48:59 WE HAD A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
17:49:00 WE HAD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
17:49:03 WE REALLY TALKED ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.
17:49:06 THIS CHART SHOWS YOU, THIS IS WHAT YOU DEL US EVERY
17:49:07 TIME WE COME TO YOU.
17:49:11 THIS IS WHY WE TOOK CONTINUANCE, TOOK A PAUSE.
17:49:15 REDESIGNED THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND BROUGHT SOMETHING TO
17:49:17 YOU THAT WE HOPE YOU WILL BE PROUD OF.
17:49:19 WITH THAT, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS NOW AND LATER OPINION.
17:49:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
17:49:27 >> THANK YOU.
17:49:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME, MR. CREMER.
17:49:35 >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE -- ONE OF THE
17:49:42 SLIDES THAT SHOWS THE INGRESS-EGRESS.
17:49:45 I AM JUST TRYING -- BECAUSE -- YOUR TRAFFIC PERSON
17:49:48 MENTIONED THAT IT WAS A SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH THE
17:49:52 ATHLETIC CLUB.
17:49:56 I -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- I GUESS I DON'T NO KNOW WHAT
17:49:57 I MEANS.
17:50:00 I DROVE AROUND IN THAT AREA, LIKE I SAID, TODAY.
17:50:02 >> I WILL LET RANDY EXPLAIN.
17:50:03 >> YES, MA'AM.
17:50:07 IF WE CAN HAVE THE EXHIBIT UP.
17:50:10 THE HARBOUR ISLAND DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS THE ONE ON THE
17:50:14 LOWER LEFT OF THE SCREEN, IS A DRIVEWAY THAT SERVICES
17:50:17 THE HARBOUR ISLAND ATHLETIC CLUB AND BANK PROPERTY AS
17:50:21 IT EXISTS TODAY WHICH WILL BE THE HOTEL IN THE FUTURE.
17:50:24 AN EASEMENT BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTIES ALLOWING BOTH OF
17:50:25 THEM TO USE THAT DRIVEWAY.
17:50:29 THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THE DRIVEWAY IN THE UPPER
17:50:31 RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF THE SITE WHICH IS A SHARED
17:50:33 DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
17:50:34 THEY EXIST TODAY.
17:50:35 WE WILL NOT CHANGE THEM.
17:50:38 HE WILL BE USED BY EVERYONE.
17:50:38 >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
17:50:40 THAT CLARIFIES IT.
17:50:42 >> THANK YOU.
17:50:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. GUDES.
17:50:46 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
17:50:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MANY MEETINGS WERE HELD FOR THIS
17:50:50 PROJECT?
17:50:53 >> WE WILL ONE VIRTUAL AND ONE IN PERSON.
17:50:57 WE HELD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH A TASK FORCE THAT
17:50:59 CONSISTED TO THE BOARD OF THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD
17:51:00 ASSOCIATION.
17:51:04 WE ALSO GAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE HIXSA BOARD THE
17:51:09 MASTER FACILITIES ASSOCIATION FOR THE ISLAND.
17:51:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. GUDES AND COUNCIL, JUST A
17:51:16 REMINDER NO REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE WITH REGARDS TO THE
17:51:19 COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND BASICALLY YOU WILL HAVE TO BASE
17:51:22 YOUR EVIDENCE -- EXCUSE ME YOUR DECISION ON THE
17:51:25 COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AT THE HEARINGS AND THE
17:51:28 CRITERIA OF THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS WOULD NOT BE
17:51:30 RELEVANT FOR THAT.
17:51:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
17:51:34 I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS INVOLVED
17:51:36 IN THE PROCESS.
17:51:39 >> IN YOUR BINDER, THE LAST ITEM HAS A SUMMARY OF THOSE
17:51:42 COMMUNITY MEETING, WHAT HAPPENED, THE COMMENTS WE
17:51:44 RECEIVED, THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WENT OUT.
17:51:48 THAT IS THERE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
17:51:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
17:51:50 [INAUDIBLE]
17:51:56 WHEN WAS HARBOUR ISLAND DEVELOPED?
17:51:58 >> WHEN WAS HARBOUR ISLAND DEVELOPED?
17:52:01 I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PLANNER COME UP AND ANSWER THE
17:52:03 QUESTION ON THE PLANNING SIDE.
17:52:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE NEXT PART OF THE QUESTION, WHEN
17:52:07 THE DRI WAS PUT IN.
17:52:09 TWO THINGS.
17:52:12 I NEED CLARITY TO SEE IF I WAS HERE.
17:52:17 >> HELLO, CYNTHIA SPIDEL, STEARNS, WEAVER AND I HAVE
17:52:18 BEEN WORN.
17:52:22 THE ORIGINAL DRI WAS APPROVED FEBRUARY -- 40 YEARS AGO.
17:52:25 TURNED 40 YEARS AGO FEBRUARY 2022.
17:52:27 I GUESS THAT IS 1982.
17:52:33 >> THANK YOU FOR CALLING ME 40 YEARS OLD.
17:52:37 I NEED A DATE 1970 --
17:52:39 >> IT STARTED IN 1982.
17:52:43 AND THERE IS -- IN THE PLANNING REPORT IS IN YOUR
17:52:47 BINDER, HISTORICAL AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS THAT CAN SHOW YOU
17:52:51 THE EVOLUTION OF HARBOUR ISLAND OVER THAT 40-YEAR
17:52:52 PERIOD.
17:52:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF WE FIND IT HERE, WE WILL BE HERE
17:53:00 FOR TWO MONTHS BECAUSE A BIG FOLDER YOU GAVE IT.
17:53:07 >> POLICE SPIDELL'S REPORT IS ITEM L AS IN LARRY, IN
17:53:13 YOUR BINDER.
17:53:14 >> EXHIBIT A.
17:53:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
17:53:18 >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION WHEN
17:53:22 HARBOUR ISLAND WAS CREATED.
17:53:26 >> SEDON ISLAND AND DRI WAS APPROVED AND THEN BECAME
17:53:28 HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:53:31 A DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT GENERALLY THE
17:53:32 BUILD-OUTS ARE 30 YEARS.
17:53:34 YOU START OUT.
17:53:38 THAT IS THE REASON WE SEE IT EVOLVE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER
17:53:41 TIME BECAUSE EXTREMELY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS.
17:53:42 178 ACRES.
17:53:45 DOES NOT DEVELOP OVERNIGHT AND IT IS A PROCESS.
17:53:48 THAT IS WHY THE DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT REVIEW
17:53:52 PROCESS WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED BY THE STATE SO THAT YOU
17:53:55 WOULD HAVE THIS REGIONAL COORDINATION FOR THE REGIONAL
17:53:58 IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
17:54:03 AND I BELIEVE THE -- WERE YOU THE ORIGINAL PLANNER ON
17:54:04 IT?
17:54:09 THE ORIGINAL PLANNER IS HERE.
17:54:11 I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY
17:54:14 HAVE.
17:54:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
17:54:26 ALL RIGHT, ARE WE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
17:54:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT -- BECAUSE WE
17:54:32 OPENED THE TWO ITEMS TOGETHER, THERE ARE SPEAKERS --
17:54:35 THERE ARE SPEAKS FOR ITEMS -- THERE ARE -- SPEAKS
17:54:38 PERHAPS FOR THIS AND ALSO FOR ITEM NUMBER 3.
17:54:42 BUT WE WILL BE COMBINING THOSE TWO.
17:54:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SHALL WE HEAR THE SPEAKERS FOR THE
17:54:54 FIRST ITEM FIRST FOR COMBINE BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER?
17:54:56 >> MR. CHAIR, JAKE CREMER, THE APPLICANT.
17:55:03 I WOULD SUGGEST WE HEAR BOTH BECAUSE COMBINE BECAUSE IT
17:55:06 WILL BE CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC.
17:55:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT WE ONLY
17:55:11 HEARD ONE SIDE NUMBER 2.
17:55:15 HOW CAN WE HEAR 3 WITHOUT HEARING 2.
17:55:20 WE ONLY HEARD TESTIMONY ON ITEM NUMBER 2, AM I CORRECT?
17:55:22 I AM NOT CHALLENGING ANYTHING.
17:55:23 >> JAKE CREMER AGAIN.
17:55:25 I THOUGHT THE INTENT WHEN WE OPENED THE HEARING WE
17:55:27 OPENED IT FOR BOTH ITEMS.
17:55:35 AND THAT WE GAVE OUR PRESENTATION FOR BOTH ITEMS JUST
17:55:41 NOW MY SUGGESTION OF MR. SHELBY'S OPINION AND MISS
17:55:45 JOHNSON-VELEZ, THAT WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON BOTH
17:55:48 AND VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY.
17:55:50 MISS MANDELL.
17:55:54 >> GOOD EVENING, JULIA MANDELL WITH THE LAW FIRM OF GRAY
17:55:58 ROBINSON, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
17:56:01 I DO HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
17:56:07 SOME OF THE FOLKS ON THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM -- I SEE A
17:56:10 COUPLE OF THEM DOWNSTAIRS BECAUSE OF SPACE.
17:56:15 PERHAPS WE CAN LET THEM IN AND GET THAT PROCEDURALLY
17:56:19 TAKEN CARE OF AND THEY CAN FIND A COMFORTABLE LOCATION
17:56:22 FOR THEM TO SIT AGAIN.
17:56:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: PATTY KAMPSEN.
17:56:28 [INAUDIBLE]
17:56:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
17:56:37 PAMELA ELOPULOS.
17:56:41 ARE YOU ALSO REGISTERED TO SPEAK?
17:56:42 [INAUDIBLE]
17:56:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE WAITING THAT ONE.
17:56:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOTED, MR. SHELBY.
17:56:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: PAMELA LOWE.
17:56:52 >> YES, RIGHT HERE, SIR.
17:56:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BRENDA SCHWARZKOPF.
17:57:03 IS BOB SMITH HERE AND BARB SMITH.
17:57:07 I COUNT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX NAMES.
17:57:09 THAT'S CORRECT?
17:57:11 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
17:57:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SIX ADDITIONAL MINUTES.
17:57:21 >> I WOULD ASSUME IF I NEED ADDITIONAL TIME WILL NOT BE
17:57:25 OBJECTIONABLE AND I WANT TO GIVE AS MUCH --
17:57:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL TIME ARE YOU
17:57:28 ASKING FOR?
17:57:30 >> MAYBE UP TO TEN MINUTES FOR MY PRESENTATION.
17:57:32 IF I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE, I WILL ASK.
17:57:34 BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
17:57:37 OFF TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF OTHER SPEAKERS HERE AND I WANT
17:57:41 TO BE COURTEOUS TO EVERYBODY.
17:57:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE AGAIN, I THOUGHT WE SET THAT
17:57:45 PARAMETER IN THE BEGINNING.
17:57:46 >> VERY GOOD.
17:57:46 THANK YOU.
17:57:50 I'M HERE ON BEHALF -- FOR THE RECORD, OF THE SOUTH
17:57:54 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF HARBOUR ISLAND, THAT AN
17:57:56 AREA THAT MR. CREMER TALKED ABOUT.
17:57:58 AND I WILL GET INTO THAT FURTHER.
17:58:03 AND AS -- AS WE INDICATED, AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU A
17:58:07 MEMORANDUM SETTING FORTH THE ANALYSIS AS WELL AS I GAVE
17:58:10 YOU ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THROUGH THAT THAT THE SOUTH
17:58:20 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN TONKS THIS REZONING.
17:58:22 I AM STARTING BY SHOWING YOU --
17:58:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS MANDELL, ONE SECOND.
17:58:42 CAN WE HAVE THE ELMO UP, PLEASE.
17:58:44 >> SORRY, I AM OLD SCHOOL.
17:58:52 I USE THE ELMO OR WHATEVER WE ARE CALLING IT NOWADAYS
17:58:53 THANK YOU.
17:59:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
17:59:03 >> VERY GOOD.
17:59:05 AGAIN, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM A LOT OF FOLKS
17:59:06 TONIGHT.
17:59:09 SOME OF THEM ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AREA.
17:59:11 SOME OF THEM ARE NOT, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
17:59:18 HEAR IS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION AND CONCERN OVER THIS
17:59:21 PARTICULAR REZONING AND GENERALLY WHAT IS OCCURRING ON
17:59:24 HARBOUR ISLAND.
17:59:27 AS IT RELATES TO THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS
17:59:30 PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, THE RED LINE YOU SEE HERE IS THE
17:59:32 DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.
17:59:36 AND EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH -- THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD
17:59:41 ASSOCIATION, IT CONSISTS OF A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY WITH
17:59:43 APPROXIMATELY 657 HOMES.
17:59:45 THEY ARE A MIXED TYPE.
17:59:46 THEY ARE SINGLE-FAMILY.
17:59:47 THEY ARE GARDEN HOMES.
17:59:51 THEY ARE CONDOMINIUMS AND THEY ARE TOWN HOUSES AND
17:59:52 APPROXIMATELY 3,000 RESIDENTS.
17:59:56 HARBOUR ISLAND IS A PRETTY UNIQUE AREA IN THE CITY OF
17:59:56 TAMPA.
17:59:57 IT IS AN ISLAND.
18:00:03 AND IT ONLY HAS TWO ENTRY POINTS ON AND OFF THE ISLAND.
18:00:06 ONE IS AT BENEFICIAL AND THE OTHER IS AT HARBOUR ISLAND
18:00:07 BOULEVARD.
18:00:10 THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET OFF THE ISLAND AND ON
18:00:11 TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
18:00:14 ADDITIONALLY, THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS
18:00:17 HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IS A GATED AREA.
18:00:20 THERE IS ONLY TWO ENTRY POINT INTO THE SOUTH
18:00:22 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AREA.
18:00:28 THAT IS AT SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND AND AT BENEFICIAL.
18:00:30 THAT IS WHAT DOES MAKE UNIQUE.
18:00:33 THIS IS, IN ESSENCE, THE REZONING APPLICATION IN THE
18:00:37 AREA THE REZONING, THE ESSENCE THE GATEWAY INTO ONE OF
18:00:39 THE ENTRY POINTS INTO THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD
18:00:41 ASSOCIATION.
18:00:45 AS IT STANDS TODAY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A
18:00:46 MIXED USE COMMUNITY.
18:00:51 I UNDERSTAND IT HAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT LAND USE
18:00:51 CLASSIFICATION.
18:00:54 AS IT STANDS TODAY AND IT IS DEVELOPED TODAY, I WANT TO
18:00:57 SHOW PICTURES WHAT THE GATES LOOK LIKE TODAY BECAUSE
18:00:59 INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT IN YOUR ANALYSIS WHETHER OR NOT
18:01:04 THIS PROJECT IS COMPATIBLE.
18:01:08 THIS IS THE ENTRY POINT AT BENEFICIAL DRIVE.
18:01:15 AS YOU CAN SEE, AS YOU GO INTO THE ENTRY POINT ON THE
18:01:18 SOUTH SIDE OF KNIGHT'S RUN, YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE
18:01:21 45, 50 FEET HEIGHT.
18:01:23 YOU HAVE SOME TOWN HOUSES OVER HERE.
18:01:26 BUT OFF VISTA THAT YOU HAVE AS YOU GO IN TO THE GATED
18:01:31 AREA INTO THE COMMUNITY.
18:01:34 THIS IS THE SOUTHGATE -- SORRY, THIS IS THE HARBOUR
18:01:35 ISLAND GATE.
18:01:38 THIS IS THE VIEW AS YOU GO INTO THIS -- THE HARBOUR
18:01:40 ISLAND GATE.
18:01:42 THIS IS A RETENTION POND.
18:01:43 THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT THERE.
18:01:46 THIS IS AS YOU ARE GOING IN.
18:01:49 AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS AS YOU ARE DRIVING IN TO THE
18:01:52 HARBOR -- TO THE SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND GATE.
18:01:54 WHAT YOU ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
18:01:56 WHAT YOU ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE
18:01:58 WHICH IS ONE-STORY BUILDING.
18:02:04 AND THEN YOU SEE A NUMBER OF HIGHER, DENSER,
18:02:07 HIGHER-SCALED TOWERS.
18:02:09 THAT IS WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
18:02:16 THAT IS WHAT THE ISSUE IS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:02:19 AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING
18:02:24 TOWARD THE WEST -- I AM SORRY, TOWARD THE EAST LOOKING
18:02:28 TOWARD THE EAST AT SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD AND
18:02:30 KNIGHT'S RUN.
18:02:33 A VERY CLEAR LINE OF DELINEATION.
18:02:37 YOU HAVE ON THE NORTH SIDE VERY HIGH DENSITY,
18:02:40 HIGH-SCALE, HIGH-INTENSITY USES.
18:02:44 THAT IS HOW IT WAS PLANNED AND HOW IT IS DEVELOPED.
18:02:47 AS YOU MOVE ON THE OTHER SIDE, AS YOU MOVE CLOSER TO
18:02:50 THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, THE LOW DENSITY AND THE MID
18:02:53 DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON
18:02:56 THAT SIDE IS NOT AS DENSE.
18:02:57 IT IS NOT AS INTENSE.
18:02:59 IT IS NOT AS TALL.
18:03:04 THE SCALE IS LESS.
18:03:09 THIS IS FROM BENEFICIAL LOOKING THE OTHER DIRECTION
18:03:11 TOWARD HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD.
18:03:14 YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS SOME -- SOME TALLER STRUCTURES,
18:03:17 SOME -- LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY, BUT A CLEAR
18:03:22 DELINEATION BETWEEN THESE TWO PARTICULAR USES AND THIS
18:03:25 TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON EACH SIDE OF KNIGHT'S
18:03:28 RUN BOULEVARD.
18:03:30 AGAIN, THIS -- THIS REALLY IS THE CONCERN OF THE
18:03:32 RESIDENTS.
18:03:34 THEY HAVE CONCERNS OVER TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC.
18:03:37 THAT I THINK IS SHARED UPON EVERYBODY ON HARBOUR
18:03:38 ISLAND.
18:03:40 GETTING ON AND OFF HARBOUR ISLAND IS INCREDIBLY
18:03:43 COMPLICATED ESPECIALLY DURING SPECIAL EVENTS.
18:03:46 ESPECIALLY DURING LIGHTNING GAMES AND THESE KIND OF
18:03:46 THINGS.
18:03:49 THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT ALTHOUGH YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS
18:03:54 FROM AN ITE PERSPECTIVE AND A TRANSPORTATION
18:03:57 PERSPECTIVE, THAT IT MAY NOT INCREASE ACTUAL NUMBER OF
18:03:58 TRIPS.
18:03:59 THERE IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
18:04:01 THERE IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL PRESSURES.
18:04:04 THERE ARE GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL CONGESTION.
18:04:10 ADDITIONALLY, THE DRIVEWAY.
18:04:12 I DON'T HAVE THE BEST PICTURE OF IT AND YOU SEE IT ON
18:04:15 SOME OF THE OTHER SLIDES IS RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THE
18:04:15 GATE.
18:04:18 IT IS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING POINT WHERE YOU HAVE
18:04:20 TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING IN AND OUT AS THEY WAIT TO GET IN
18:04:24 AND OUT OF THE GATE, AS THEY WAIT TO -- TO QUEUE.
18:04:28 THIS IS ALSO THE AREA WHERE THERE IS A BUS STOP FOR --
18:04:32 FOR THE SCHOOLS AS THEY GO TO WHATEVER THE SCHOOLS ARE
18:04:33 REZONED FOR.
18:04:38 PLANT AND WILSON AND SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS.
18:04:41 AGAIN, THIS IS THE CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS.
18:04:44 THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS MASS AND SCALE IS
18:04:48 GOING TO IMPACT THEIR RESIDENTIAL USES.
18:04:49 THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC.
18:04:52 THEY ARE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT
18:04:54 THEIR KIDS GETTING ON THE BUS.
18:04:56 AND THEY ARE GOING TO -- AND THEY ARE CONCERNS
18:04:59 GENERALLY ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT CAN HAPPEN AS YOU GET
18:05:04 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KNIGHT'S RUN BOULEVARD.
18:05:06 I THINK IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE
18:05:09 PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU
18:05:12 LOOK AT -- WHEN THEY SHOWED HOW THAT LOOKS IN
18:05:16 COMPARISON TO -- YOU KNOW, THEY DID AN IMAGINE OF WHAT
18:05:19 THIS WILL LOOK LIKE, YOU CAN EVEN SEE IN THAT PICTURE,
18:05:23 IT IS THE TALLEST -- IT WOULD BE THE TALLEST STRUCTURE
18:05:26 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KNIGHT'S RUN.
18:05:28 IT WOULD START POTENTIALLY A TREND.
18:05:32 IT WILL START POTENTIALLY HOW YOU MOVE DEVELOPMENT ON
18:05:35 THE OTHER SIDE OF KNIGHT'S RUN AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK
18:05:37 LIKE AND FEEL LIKE.
18:05:39 THAT IS SOMETHING OFF THIS THE TRITE CONSIDER AS PART
18:05:41 OF YOUR ANALYSIS.
18:05:45 I DID NOTE THAT THEY -- THAT THERE IS NOW NO LONGER ANY
18:05:47 WAIVERS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
18:05:49 I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE STAFF REPORT AND MAYBE SOMEBODY
18:05:52 CAN CLARIFY THIS AFTERWARDS THAT THERE WAS GOING BE A
18:05:54 WAIVER THAT WAS REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
18:05:58 READING, BUT I CERTAINLY APPLAUD THEM FROM TRYING TO
18:06:00 GET A DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY WAIVERS.
18:06:03 THAT IS CERTAINLY THE THING TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH AS
18:06:05 THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
18:06:09 THAT DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR ANALYSIS.
18:06:13 UNDER THE PD CRITERIA OFF THIS IN YOUR CODE, YOU HAVE
18:06:16 THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO REVIEW WHETHER OR NOT A
18:06:18 PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AS IT COMES FORWARD AS A PLANNED
18:06:21 DEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE.
18:06:23 HEIGHT AND SCALE COMPATIBLE.
18:06:29 IS IT GOING TO CAUSE UNDO PRESSURES ON THE BUILT
18:06:30 ENVIRONMENT.
18:06:35 IS IT GOING TO CREATE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS.
18:06:37 YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE
18:06:40 COMMUNITY WHAT THEIR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES ARE AS THEY DRIVE
18:06:42 ON AND OFF THE ISLANDS.
18:06:43 THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR ISSUES.
18:06:47 IF IT IS ANY OF THAT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY THAT COMES
18:06:47 TO YOU.
18:06:51 IF IT IS FACTUALLY BASED.
18:06:52 COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
18:06:56 YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVIEW THE COMPETENT AND
18:07:02 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IF THE PD CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET.
18:07:04 I DID POINT OUT THE CRITERIA.
18:07:06 I HIGHLIGHTED THE PORTION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER AS PART
18:07:07 OF YOUR ANALYSIS.
18:07:11 AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THOSE CRITERIA AND
18:07:14 DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET.
18:07:17 THE STAFF HAS FOUND IT CONSISTENT.
18:07:22 BUT YOUR ROLE IS TO DETERMINE IF CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET
18:07:25 AND YOUR ROLE IS TO LOOK AT ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT COMES
18:07:27 INTO THE RECORD AND MAKE DECISION.
18:07:30 IS THIS THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE
18:07:30 RIGHT TIME.
18:07:32 THAT IS PART OF YOUR ANALYSIS.
18:07:35 AND IT IS PART OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IN
18:07:38 LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE AS PART OF THIS
18:07:39 RECORD.
18:07:42 AND MAKING YOUR ULTIMATE DECISION.
18:07:45 I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS.
18:07:48 I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AS
18:07:49 TO WHAT THEY THINK.
18:07:52 FIVE A COUPLE OF EXTRA MINUTES -- IF I CAN GET A COUPLE
18:07:56 OF EXTRA MINUTES TO WRAP UP AT THE END, I APPRECIATE
18:07:57 IT.
18:07:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
18:08:01 >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THE TALLEST BUILDING ON THE
18:08:04 SOUTH SIDE OF THE ISLAND?
18:08:05 >> I BELIEVE IT IS EIGHT STORIES.
18:08:08 I DON'T KNOW --
18:08:10 >>LYNN HURTAK: THE STORIES IS --
18:08:11 >> SEVEN.
18:08:13 >> I APOLOGIZE.
18:08:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE.
18:08:20 ARE YOU FINISHED?
18:08:21 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
18:08:22 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
18:08:27 NOT TO MISS MANDELL, MORE SO FOR STAFF, FOR THE --
18:08:31 WHETHER IT IS MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, MISS WELLS OR MR.
18:08:32 SHELBY.
18:08:34 FOR PURPOSES OF COUNCIL.
18:08:37 COULD YOU ALL CLARIFY WHEN IT COMES TO THE PUBLIC --
18:08:40 AND I KNOW WE HAVE GONE OVER THIS BEFORE, BUT WHAT
18:08:44 CONSTITUTES COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FROM MEMBERS
18:08:45 OF THE PUBLIC.
18:08:49 DO THEY NEED TO BE QUALIFIED AS EXPERTS AS SUCH?
18:08:54 OR DAY-TO-DAY EXPERIENCES OF PEOPLE -- BECAUSE, YOU
18:08:56 KNOW, I WANT US TO KNOW -- BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
18:09:00 A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WILL BE VERY PASSIONATE
18:09:03 AND WITHOUT A DOUBT, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE
18:09:06 REPLACEMENT OF THAT SMALL BANK WITH THIS BIG HOTEL,
18:09:10 THAT IS A BIG CHANGE, BUT I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT IS
18:09:13 THAT WHICH WE CAN -- FOR ALL OF OUR SAYING THAT WE CAN
18:09:16 RELY UPON IN MAKING A DETERMINATION ON THIS AS IT
18:09:19 PERTAINS TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
18:09:23 >>CATE WELLS: CATE WELLS, CHIEF ASSISTANT SENIOR
18:09:24 ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD.
18:09:29 I WOULD GENERALLY AGREE OF HOW MISS MANDELL PRESENTED
18:09:31 THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU CAN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT
18:09:34 WILL BE CONSIDERED COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
18:09:37 WHEN THEY ARE SPEAKING TO THEIR EXPERIENCES AND HOW IT
18:09:40 IMPACTS THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, WHAT THEY OTHERED AND
18:09:43 THE DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME, THE COURTS HAVE FOUND THAT
18:09:46 TO BE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
18:09:49 OF COURSE AS YOU HEAR FROM THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE
18:09:54 PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, ASK YOURSELF, ARE THEY SPEAKING TO
18:09:58 THE CRITERIA THAT IS APPLICABLE UNDER A PD REZONING.
18:10:01 BECAUSE THAT IS THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR THE CITY
18:10:02 COUNCIL.
18:10:05 SO THEY MUST SPEAK FOR IT TO BE COMPETENT AND
18:10:06 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
18:10:10 THEY MUST BE SPEAKING TO THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE AS IT
18:10:13 RELATES TO AN APPROVAL OR A DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
18:10:14 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
18:10:16 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
18:10:17 APPRECIATE IT.
18:10:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
18:10:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MISS MANDELL, YOU MENTIONED THE
18:10:25 ROAD, KNIGHT'S RUN AVENUE TO THE SOUTH.
18:10:31 IS THERE ANY BUILDINGS AT ALL, PD COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE
18:10:35 OTHER THAN THE -- I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SEVEN-STORY
18:10:37 BUILDING IS RESIDENTIAL OPINION.
18:10:38 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
18:10:41 EVERYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE, AS IT WERE,
18:10:42 WAS RESIDENTIAL.
18:10:44 THE ONLY TWO COMMERCIAL -- THE ONLY TWO COMMERCIALLY
18:10:47 ZONED AT THIS TIME AREAS, ONE IS THE HARBOUR ISLAND
18:10:52 ATHLETIC CLUB WHICH IS A PRIVATE RECREATIONAL USE.
18:10:55 SO THAT IS ONLY ALLOWED FOR MEMBERS WHO ARE A PART OF
18:10:56 THAT COMMUNITY.
18:10:59 AND THEN THE FORMER BANK BUILDING THAT IS NOW A
18:11:00 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
18:11:04 THAT WAS REZONED IN 2016, IF I AM RECALLING CORRECTLY,
18:11:06 TO BECOME A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
18:11:10 IT WAS A BANK PRIOR TO THAT.
18:11:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALL RIGHT.
18:11:16 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:11:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THE CRITERIA THAT
18:11:21 MISS WELLS MENTIONED.
18:11:25 UNLESS THEY ARE AN EXPERT, AND THEIR OPINION IS NOT
18:11:28 NECESSARILY -- NOT COMPREHENSIVE TENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
18:11:30 EVIDENCE, BUT THE COUNCIL, I WOULD DIRECT YOUR
18:11:34 ATTENTION TO THE CRITERIA AS IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED IN
18:11:37 THE STAFF REPORTS AND APPLY THE FACTS THAT YOU HEAR
18:11:40 FACTUALLY WHAT SUPPORTS THEIR OPINION IS THE COMPETENT
18:11:44 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE BUT THE OPINIONS UNLESS THEY ARE
18:11:48 EXPERTS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AT THE TENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
18:11:48 EVIDENCE.
18:11:50 MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HAVE THE CRY TERRY I CAN'T
18:11:54 HAVE THE PD IN FRONT OF YOU AND IF THERE ARE FACTS THAT
18:11:59 ASSOCIATE TO THAT CRITERIA, YOU CAN WAIVE THOSE AND
18:12:01 DETERMINE WHETHER THAT MEETS THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
18:12:04 EVIDENCE, THE BURDEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BASE YOUR
18:12:06 DECISION ON.
18:12:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS MANDELL, TO FOLLOW UP ON
18:12:11 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S QUESTION.
18:12:14 YOU HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH LAND USE FOR A WHILE, BOTH
18:12:19 WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND NOW PRIVATELY.
18:12:24 THAT KNIGHT'S RUN TO THE NORTH SIDE IS VERY INTENSIVE.
18:12:28 THE SOUTH SIDE IS LESS INTENSIVE.
18:12:33 WAS THAT BY DESIGN EITHER BY THE CITY OR THE PLANNING
18:12:37 COMMISSION OR DID THAT JUST HAPPEN IN HAPPENSTANCE?
18:12:40 >> I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION FOR YOUR STAFF WHO HAS
18:12:42 BEEN MORE INVOLVED OVER THE YEARS IN TERMS OF THE
18:12:44 DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
18:12:47 BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS SOME TESTIMONY FROM THE
18:12:50 PLANNING COMMISSION THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS GIVEN
18:12:55 A VERY HIGH INTENSITY LAND USE CLASSIFICATION WHEN IT
18:12:59 FIRST STARTED, BUT THEN THROUGH THE DRI PROCESS, THE PD
18:13:03 PROCESS AND COUNCILS FROM BEFORE YOU TO TODAY WEIGHING
18:13:07 WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, WHAT THE CAPACITIES WERE, ETC.
18:13:10 THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN HAS OCCURRED PURSUANT TO
18:13:13 APPROVALS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS GIVEN, PREVIOUS
18:13:15 COUNCILS HAVE GIVEN.
18:13:19 SO OVERTIME, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS HAVE BEEN WHAT
18:13:23 THEY ARE, AND IT HAS BEEN CHANGING -- AS I STATED IT
18:13:25 WOULD BE CHANGING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN BY PUTTING
18:13:31 HIGH -- HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER INTENSITY, BIGGER SCALE
18:13:34 DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KNIGHT'S RUN THAT IS
18:13:38 NOT RESIDENTIAL AND THAT IS NOT PART OF THE REFERRING
18:13:41 COMMUNITY THAT IS START OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT
18:13:43 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KNIGHT'S RUN.
18:13:46 WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A HOTEL OR OTHER USE FOR THAT IS
18:13:48 IN A COMMERCIAL CATEGORY.
18:13:52 IT IS LESS THE POINT THAN THE MASS AND THE SCALE AND
18:13:56 WHAT HAS OCCURRED AT THAT LOCATION PREVIOUSLY.
18:13:59 AND I WILL ALSO POINT OUT TO YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THE
18:14:02 DEVELOPMENT AS IT HAS OCCURRED ON THE OTHER -- BY
18:14:04 BENEFICIAL BY THE OTHER GATE.
18:14:05 IT HAS BEEN LOWER SCALE.
18:14:09 SO THAT IS WHAT HAS DEVELOPED OVER TIME.
18:14:12 THE REASON FOR IT IS FOR THE PLANNERS TO REALLY ADVISE
18:14:15 ON.
18:14:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS MANDELL.
18:14:21 WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK NEXT IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
18:14:25 AND IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT,
18:14:29 YOUR RIGHT, I WILL GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
18:14:30 THANK YOU.
18:14:32 PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
18:14:38 STATE YOUR NAME.
18:14:44 >> GOOD EVENING, GUY VAN BAALEN, 1415 HARBOR WALK ROAD.
18:14:45 I AM SWORN IN.
18:14:48 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
18:14:52 AS I INDICATED, MY NAME IS GUY VAN BAALEN.
18:14:55 I AM AN ATTORNEY BY PROFESSION AND LIVE ON HARBOUR
18:14:56 ISLAND.
18:14:59 I AM PRESIDENT OF THE HARBOUR ISLAND HOMEOWNERS
18:15:01 ASSOCIATION AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTH
18:15:02 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
18:15:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAY I ASK YOU, ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR
18:15:08 YOURSELF OR FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE ASSOCIATIONS?
18:15:08 >> FOR ALL THREE.
18:15:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL THREE.
18:15:13 YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE RIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON
18:15:15 BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND THE OTHER
18:15:16 ASSOCIATIONS?
18:15:23 >> YES, I AM PRESIDENT OF THE HARBOR SIDE ASSOCIATION
18:15:25 AND VICE PRESIDENT OF IT.
18:15:29 I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE HARBOUR ISLAND ATHLETIC CLUB
18:15:32 SO I AM PARTICULARLY AFFECTED BY WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE
18:15:34 TODAY.
18:15:35 I LOVE HARBOUR ISLAND.
18:15:37 I WANT TO SEE IT FLOURISH.
18:15:40 I HAVE THE FOLLOWING CONCERNS OF THE PROPOSED
18:15:42 DEVELOPMENT AND WHY WE ARE OPPOSE $TO IT.
18:15:44 AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL HEAR A LOT OF POINT.
18:15:46 I WILL TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN.
18:15:50 ONE, THE DEVELOPER SAYS IT WAS A BANK AND USED STANDARD
18:15:53 BOOK METRIC BY TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS TO GUESSTIMATE THE
18:15:56 AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THE BANK HAD, BUT THAT IS NOT
18:15:58 REALLY BASED ON REALITY.
18:16:00 YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE SITUATION WAS.
18:16:02 IT WAS A SMALL BANK.
18:16:05 BEFORE THAT OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A MODEL HOME OFFICE YOU.
18:16:09 AND MOSTLY HAD LOCAL AND FOOT TRAFFIC FROM RESIDENTS ON
18:16:10 THE ISLAND.
18:16:12 PEOPLE FROM OFF THE ISLAND DIDN'T COME INTO THE BANK
18:16:13 THAT OFTEN.
18:16:16 THE BUILDING WAS SOLD OBVIOUSLY TO DEVELOPMENT TO
18:16:19 CONVERT TO SMALL OFFICE, AND OBVIOUSLY HIS INTENTIONS
18:16:21 WERE LARGER.
18:16:24 THE NEW PLAN SAYS THAT THE TRAFFIC WILL MOSTLY BE RIDE
18:16:25 SHARE.
18:16:28 THAT CAN BE TREMENDOUS BURDEN ON THE -- ON THE CON GIGS
18:16:30 IN THE AREA.
18:16:32 AND I THINK ALL OF YOU MAY KNOW ABOUT THAT SITUATION.
18:16:34 HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE
18:16:35 COMMUNITY.
18:16:37 I KNOW OUR ATTORNEY EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU.
18:16:40 THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT FOR THE HOTEL.
18:16:44 THEY SAY THEY WANT TO MODEL IT ON COMING ON KNIGHT'S
18:16:47 BLUE RUN AND ALSO HAVE IT SO IT CAN COME BY THE GATE.
18:16:49 THERE IS AN ISLAND THERE.
18:16:51 YOU HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN THERE WHICH IS WHERE THE
18:16:55 HARBOUR ISLAND ATHLETIC CLUB.
18:16:56 IT WILL BE A NIGHTMARE THERE.
18:16:58 PUT MORE LIGHTS IN IF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING
18:17:01 AND MAKE IT MORE CONGESTED AND HOLD UP THE TRAFFIC THAT
18:17:05 GOES UP BEYOND THE GATES AND BEHIND THE GATES.
18:17:09 SO THE INGRESS AND EGRESS WILL BE A LOGISTICAL
18:17:12 NIGHTMARE AND BLOCK THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO COME AND
18:17:13 GO WITH REGARD TO IT.
18:17:16 I ALSO WANT TO BRING UP THE ISSUE WITH CONSTRUCTION AND
18:17:16 ZONING TIMING.
18:17:18 THAT HAVEN'T BEEN RAISED TONIGHT.
18:17:21 IT WASN'T RAISED BY THE DEVELOPER.
18:17:23 WE KNOW -- WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED IN CONSTRUCTION
18:17:24 ZONES.
18:17:27 WE ARE OBVIOUSLY FOR CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT IN
18:17:29 THE COMMUNITY, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT WATER
18:17:33 STREETS AND HERON TOWERS AND THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION
18:17:36 AND BLOCKAGE OF ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT OCCURRED
18:17:37 DURING THAT TIME.
18:17:39 THEY HAVE INDICATED TO US IN ONE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS
18:17:45 THERE WILL BE ABLE TO BASICALLY IMPLODE NEGATIVES INTO
18:17:51 A POSITIVE SENSE IS OF USING THE STREETS OF HARBOUR
18:17:52 ISLAND BOULEVARD OR KNIGHT'S RUN.
18:17:54 THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
18:17:59 AND I POSE THAT THEY ARE -- EXCUSE ME, THEIR PROPOSAL
18:18:01 WITH REGARD TO THAT.
18:18:03 THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, AND IT WILL BLOCK US.
18:18:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
18:18:06 >> OUT OF TIME.
18:18:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S IT.
18:18:12 >> OKAY.
18:18:15 >> HI, JIM GRIFFIN.
18:18:19 1061 SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD AND I AM SPEAKING
18:18:21 TONIGHT IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
18:18:25 AS WE HAVE SEEN, THE CITY DEVELOP AND THE ISLAND
18:18:28 DEVELOP, TAMPA HAS CERTAINLY GROWN INTO THIS WALKABLE
18:18:29 CITY.
18:18:33 AND I KNOW, FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, WHEN WE HAD THE
18:18:35 PRESSURES ON OUR PARKING GARAGE, ETC.
18:18:37 AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TRAFFIC THIS WOULD ONLY
18:18:43 ENHANCE WHAT TAMPA BRINGS AS A CITY FROM THE CONVENTION
18:18:46 CENTER, THE WALKABILITY, THE NIGHT LIFE, THE VIBRANCE.
18:18:49 I THINK WE BRING A GREAT TASTE OF TAMPA WITH THIS
18:18:51 PROJECT.
18:18:51 THANK YOU.
18:18:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:19:02 >> GOOD EVENING, VERNON ELLINGER.
18:19:06 I AM A RESIDENT OF HARBOUR ISLAND, AND I BELIEVE I HAVE A
18:19:09 MORE COMPREHENSIVE PHOTO OF WHAT IT IS LIKE AT THE
18:19:10 PROPOSED SITE.
18:19:12 I KNOW YOU HAVE TO BALANCE EVERYONE'S RIGHT.
18:19:15 AND I HOPE YOU WILL JUST SAY NO TO KEEP THINGS IN
18:19:17 BALANCE.
18:19:20 THERE ARE A LOT OF EMOTIONAL ARGUMENTS AT WHAT THE
18:19:24 PETITIONER CALLED A SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY MEETING.
18:19:26 IT WAS ALMOST A RIOT.
18:19:29 NOW I KNOW YOU CAN ONLY CONSIDER SUBSTANTIVE
18:19:36 OBJECTIONS, SO -- CAN YOU HOLD IT --
18:19:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MA'AM, IF YOUR ARMS ARE GETTING TIRED,
18:19:43 PLEASE USE THE EASEL.
18:19:44 >> THANK YOU.
18:19:48 HERE WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL BOULEVARD-STYLE, FOUR-LANED
18:19:52 STREET AND DIVIDED AND HAS PLANTS AND A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT
18:19:53 LINE.
18:19:57 WHAT I AM ASKING TO YOU DO IS DRAW THE LINE THERE.
18:20:01 DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN HIGH-RISE AND NOT HIGH-RISE.
18:20:06 IT HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THROUGH THE OTHER SPEAKING THAT
18:20:07 THERE IS NOTHING HERE.
18:20:09 AND WE HEARD THE WORD "ADJACENT."
18:20:13 I HEARD IT SAID THIS IS NO TALLER THAN THE ADJACENT
18:20:14 BUILDINGS.
18:20:17 I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT ADJACENT MEANS, NEXT TO.
18:20:20 WHY I AM SAYING DRAW THE LINE IS, THERE IS NOTHING BUT
18:20:23 A BEAUTIFUL VISTA ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
18:20:26 SO PLEASE KEEP IT THAT WAY.
18:20:30 I BELIEVE THAT THE PETITIONER HAS MISLED US WITHDRAWING
18:20:34 THE LINE AT THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE
18:20:35 GATED COMMUNITY.
18:20:40 THIS REALLY IS THE LINE TO DRAW BETWEEN HIGH INTENSE
18:20:44 COMMERCIAL AND LOW INTENSE LOW VISTA RESIDENTIAL OR
18:20:46 RECREATIONAL.
18:20:50 NOW, IF THIS -- THIS HOTEL IS COMPLETELY OUT OF
18:20:51 CHARACTER WITH THE MIX.
18:20:54 AND I BELIEVE THAT IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA.
18:20:56 A BUSINESS TRANSACTION HOTEL.
18:20:58 NO INTEGRATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
18:21:00 I AM A GRADUATE OF THE CORNELL HOTEL SCHOOL, AND I USED
18:21:01 TO RUN HOTELS.
18:21:03 MAYBE YOU CAN CONSIDER ME AN EXPERT.
18:21:08 THIS HOTEL IS NOT A COMMUNITY INTERACTION SITE.
18:21:10 NOW WE TALKED OF THE PARKING SPACES.
18:21:14 IF I AM RUNNING A HOTEL, I WOULD SOB TEMPTED TO
18:21:16 MONETIZE THOSE EXTRA SPACES THAT ARE UNUSED.
18:21:20 PLEASE PUT TEETH, IF YOU DO APPROVE IT, PUT TEETH IN
18:21:20 THAT.
18:21:24 AND ALSO AS GUY BROUGHT UP, EVERYBODY PROJECT TAKES
18:21:28 OVER PUBLIC HIGHWAYS, PUBLIC SPACES TO BE BUILT.
18:21:32 WE CAN NOT HAVE THESE ROADS CLOSED OFF FOR A YEAR.
18:21:37 PLEASE, IF FOR SOME REASON YOU GO AGAINST THE COMMUNITY
18:21:41 AND ALLOW THIS TO PROCEED, YOU WILL BE LIKE A CAR
18:21:48 BUNGLE ON SMOOTH SKIN AND WE CANNOT HAVE OUR ROADS
18:21:49 CLOSED DURING CONSTRUCTION.
18:21:51 PLEASE DRAW THE LINE HERE.
18:21:59 AND DON'T PUT THIS IN OUR HOTEL -- ON OUR ISLAND.
18:21:59 [APPLAUSE]
18:22:04 [GAVEL SOUNDING]
18:22:12 >> THIS I REFER TO AS IT.
18:22:14 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
18:22:17 I AM DEBRA ELLINGER ON ABBEY'S WAY.
18:22:18 AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
18:22:22 I SIT ON THREE LARGE COMPANY BOARDS LOCALLY HERE, FOR
18:22:24 EXAMPLE, TUPPERWARE.
18:22:27 I HAVE BEEN THE CEO AND PRESIDENT OF FOUR PRIVATE
18:22:30 EQUITY COMPANIES.
18:22:32 IN THAT ROLE I DEVELOPED OVER 100 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
18:22:37 I NEVER SEEN SOMETHING AS EGREGIOUS AS THIS.
18:22:39 WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT BECAUSE THIS IS WITHIN
18:22:43 YOUR DOMAIN TO DEAL WITH IS THE LAND USE INTENSITY THAT
18:22:43 IS INVOLVED HERE.
18:22:47 THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER TALKED ABOUT THE DEMARCATION LINE.
18:22:51 I ACTUALLY HAVE THE SAME PHOTOGRAPH WITHOUT -- I JUST
18:22:55 WANT TO RE-EMPHASIZE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT GOES TO
18:22:57 YOUR ZONING DECISIONS.
18:22:58 DO YOU MIND.
18:23:03 JUST BE VERY, VERY CLEAR, THAT THING DOES -- HIS SCALE
18:23:07 WAS CORRECT, IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SKY UP HERE.
18:23:10 THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, NOT THE PICTURES THAT THE
18:23:12 DEVELOPER HAS SHOWN YOU.
18:23:17 THIS IS VERY CLEAR LOW-RISE, LOW INTENSITY.
18:23:19 A CLEAR DEMARCATION LINE AND I WANT TO YOU SUPPORT
18:23:20 THAT.
18:23:24 THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IS THAT ZONING WAS PUT IN
18:23:27 PLACE TO PROTECT THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
18:23:31 IT IS PUT IN PLACE TO MINIMIZE AND MANAGE INTENSITY.
18:23:35 AND I STRONGLY, STRONGLY URGE TO YOU REJECT THIS
18:23:36 REZONING PROPOSAL.
18:23:38 THANK YOU.
18:23:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:23:40 [APPLAUSE]
18:23:42 [GAVEL SOUNDING]
18:23:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE, IF WE --
18:23:49 WE ARE ALL HAPPY ABOUT CERTAIN SPEAKERS AND SOME
18:23:53 SPEAKS, BUT IF WE CAN PLEASE REFRAIN FROM THE APPLAUSE.
18:23:54 THANK YOU.
18:23:55 >> GOOD EVENING.
18:23:56 LAUREN TOBIN.
18:24:00 I HAVE BEEN ON HARBOUR ISLAND FOR 30 YEARS.
18:24:03 AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.
18:24:06 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH WAS THE PUSH
18:24:10 BACK TO PUT THE FORCE MAIN, THE NEW FORCE MAIN ON TOP
18:24:13 OF THE OLD FORCE MAIN.
18:24:18 THAT INITIATIVE WAS -- HAPPENED AND THE RESIDENTS, A
18:24:21 LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY GOT TOGETHER AND
18:24:23 PUSHED BACK ON THAT INITIATIVE.
18:24:27 AND WE MADE THE CITY LISTEN TO US AND TALK ABOUT WHAT
18:24:30 IT WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE TO HAVE THE FORCE MAIN.
18:24:32 THE NEW ONE ON TOP OF THE OLD ONE.
18:24:34 IT WOULD HAVE GONE RIGHT THROUGH HARBOUR ISLAND AND
18:24:36 RIGHT THROUGH MY BACK YARD.
18:24:41 I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THE ELMO, BUT I HAVE A PICTURE.
18:24:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LAY IT DOWN RIGHT ON IT.
18:24:45 THERE YOU GO.
18:24:46 >> I WALK BY THIS SITE EVERY DAY NOW.
18:24:49 I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT THE CITY RECOGNIZED THAT JUST
18:24:53 BECAUSE AN IDEA WAS AN IDEA MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A GOOD
18:24:54 ONE.
18:24:57 SO WE PUSHED BACK AND THE CITY DECIDED TO MOVE THE
18:25:00 FORCE MAIN BETWEEN THE HISTORY MUSEUM AND THE MARRIOTT.
18:25:03 THAT IS WHAT THAT CONSTRUCTION SITE LOOKS LIKE RIGHT
18:25:03 NOW.
18:25:06 AGAIN, BY BY IT EVERY DAY.
18:25:11 THAT IS WHAT THINGS WOULD HAPPEN IF WE -- YOU MET --
18:25:12 YOU APPROVE THIS.
18:25:17 THE CONSTRUCTION ALONE WOULD SHUT DOWN THE -- ONE OF
18:25:20 TWO ENTRANCE WAYS TO HARBOUR ISLAND TO THE SOUTH OF THE
18:25:23 GATES -- TO THE SOUTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE
18:25:23 LIVE.
18:25:25 THAT IS POINT NUMBER ONE.
18:25:28 POINT NUMBER TWO, I WANT TO GO ON RECORD HERE THE LAST
18:25:31 TIME WE ALL MET WITH THE LIBERTY GROUP WAS A DISASTER.
18:25:33 THEY SAID IT WAS PRODUCTIVE.
18:25:37 ENDED VERY ABRUPTLY BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS GETTING UP TO
18:25:37 TALK.
18:25:41 AT THAT MEETING, IT WAS ASKED IF THE LIBERTY GROUP HAD
18:25:45 HIRED THE BALLARD GROUP TO HELP MOVE THIS INITIATIVE
18:25:47 FORWARD.
18:25:50 AND IT WAS TOLD TO US BY THE LIBERTY GROUP THAT THE
18:25:53 BALLARD GROUP HAD BEEN HIRED.
18:25:59 ANN CRUZ IS A MANAGING PARTNER OF THE BALLARD GROUP.
18:26:03 I MIND TO BE AN INCREDIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
18:26:07 IF AT ANY -- I THINK I AM DONE.
18:26:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
18:26:09 >> THANK YOU.
18:26:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
18:26:14 >> GOOD EVENING, DR. KATHLEEN HEIDE.
18:26:17 I AM A DISTINGUISHED UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR AT USF.
18:26:22 I LIVED THAT HARBOUR ISLAND FOR 26 YEARS.
18:26:27 AND I HAVE ALSO BEEN INVOLVED ON THE BOARD FOR ABOUT A
18:26:31 DOZEN YEARS, PRESIDENT FOR I THINK FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
18:26:33 WHAT I CAN SAY -- AND I HAD A LONG TALK.
18:26:36 BUT A FEW POINTS.
18:26:39 THE SPEAKS BEFORE HAVE SHOWN YOU VERY CLEARLY THIS IS
18:26:43 NOT CONSISTENT WITH THIS BUILDING WITH WHAT WE HAD.
18:26:47 THE VISTA, IF YOU LOOK, WOULD BE BASICALLY FLAT NOW AND
18:26:51 WE WILL HAVE THAT BUILDING -- THE PROPOSED HOTEL THERE.
18:26:53 IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
18:26:54 IT IS NOT CONSISTENT.
18:27:02 WHAT I WANT ALSO MENTION IS WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID.
18:27:05 THERE IS ONE BUILDING RIGHT NOW THAT IS -- HARBOR
18:27:05 COURT.
18:27:07 IT WAS THERE WHEN I MOVED IN.
18:27:11 IT WAS THREE COMMUNITIES SEVEN STORIES.
18:27:14 AFTER THAT, THERE WERE NO HIGH-RISES BUILT.
18:27:17 AND I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE A CONSCIOUS DECISION WAS
18:27:19 MADE TO KEEP IT ON A LOW SCALE.
18:27:22 AND YOU WILL FIND TWO, THREE STORIES.
18:27:26 YOU WILL NOT FIND ANOTHER SEVEN-STORY BUILDING.
18:27:29 I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISREPRESENTATION TO
18:27:31 SUGGEST THIS IS FITTING IN.
18:27:32 IT DOESN'T.
18:27:36 IT WILL BE CLEARLY AT A SITE.
18:27:38 AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED AND I WILL JUST HIGHLIGHT
18:27:40 THAT IT WILL IMPEDE TRAFFIC.
18:27:43 ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID -- AND IT IS RIGHT ON -- THERE
18:27:46 WAS NOT MUCH TRAFFIC WITH THAT BANK.
18:27:50 SO SAYS IT COMPARABLE IS, AGAIN, I BELIEVE A
18:27:53 MISREPRESENTATION WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
18:27:57 IT WILL CLEARLY IMPEDE ENTRY AND EXIT INTO WHAT IS THE
18:27:59 WEST GATE.
18:28:02 PROBABLY RESULT IN THE WEST GATE BEING CLOSED FOR A
18:28:03 LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
18:28:07 THAT WILL SUBSTANTIALLY IMPACT PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE,
18:28:08 GETTING TO WORK.
18:28:10 GETTING HOME FROM WORK.
18:28:14 IN ADDITION, THE -- THE DEVELOPERS ARE REPRESENTING THE
18:28:19 AC HOTEL AS -- YOU KNOW, AS REALLY STATE THE ART OF
18:28:19 WHATEVER.
18:28:23 ALL DUE RESPECT, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THE MARRIOTT.
18:28:24 YOU CAN FIND THIS.
18:28:25 THERE ARE 30 PROPERTIES.
18:28:28 THE AC HOTEL IS NOT RATED AS ONE OF THE HIGHEST
18:28:30 QUALITIES.
18:28:32 WAS RATED 17 OUT OF 30.
18:28:34 HARBOUR ISLAND -- SOUTH OF THE GATES.
18:28:35 THIS IS THE KEY HERE.
18:28:39 SOUTH OF THE GATES IS A PREMIERE COMMUNITY.
18:28:43 OUR PROPERTIES OFTENTIMES, IF THEY GO ON THE MARKET,
18:28:45 THEY ARE SOLD WITHIN A FEW DAYS.
18:28:49 SO MY REQUEST IS, PLEASE, TO DENY THIS MOTION ON BEHALF
18:28:50 OF THE RESIDENTS.
18:28:51 THANK YOU.
18:28:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:28:55 [APPLAUSE]
18:28:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.
18:28:59 >> HI, GOOD EVENING.
18:29:02 MY NAME IS JESSICA SCHWARZKOPF.
18:29:05 1469 HARBOR WALK ROAD.
18:29:06 AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
18:29:09 I AM ACTUALLY HERE TONIGHT WITH MY MOTHER, BRENDA.
18:29:12 HER AND I ARE BOTH RESIDENTS OF THE ISLANDS.
18:29:15 I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE LATE '90S AND SHE MOVED
18:29:20 THERE WITH MY FATHER IN THE LATE 2000S FOR SECURITY
18:29:22 REASONS AND WE ARE HERE TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS REGARDING
18:29:23 THIS REZONING EFFORTS.
18:29:25 I WAS COMPELLED TO SPEAK TONIGHT BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENT
18:29:27 THAT HAPPENED JUST RECENTLY WITH MY MOM.
18:29:31 SHE NEEDED MEDICAL ATTENTION, AND I HAD TO CALL 911.
18:29:34 SHE DID FORTUNATELY GET THE HELP SHE NEEDED IN TIME,
18:29:36 BUT I COULDN'T HELP TO THINK AT THAT TIME HOW
18:29:40 DIFFERENTLY THINGS COULD HAVE TURNED OUT HAD THAT
18:29:42 HAPPENED AT ONE OF THE THOSE MANY TIMES WHEN ACCESS TO
18:29:46 OUR HOMES ARE IMPEDED BY THE HEAVY PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC,
18:29:50 CAR TRAFFIC, BRIDGE CLOSURES, ROAD CLOSURES THAT HAPPEN
18:29:53 DUE TO ONE OR SEVERAL EVENTS AT THE SAME TIME THAT
18:29:54 HAPPEN AROUND THE ISLAND.
18:29:57 I DID REACH OUT TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AFTERWARDS TO
18:29:58 THANK THEM.
18:30:01 AND I ALSO WANTED TO ASK THEM HOW THEY HANDLE THOSE
18:30:04 DIFFICULT TIMES AND IF THE RAPID GROWTH IN DOWNTOWN IS
18:30:07 AFFECTING THEIR ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB.
18:30:09 I WAS TOLD IN FACT THAT THEY HAVE MADE REQUESTS FOR
18:30:15 ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND FIRE STATIONS TO KEEP PACE
18:30:18 WITH THE RAPID GROWTH IN THIS AREA.
18:30:20 AND IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE EVERY MINUTE COUNT
18:30:24 OBVIOUSLY, HAVING THOSE COULD MEAN THE DIFFERENCE
18:30:27 BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH AND HAVING THIS INFORMATION
18:30:31 RAISE MIND CONCERNS OF PROPOSED HOTEL OUTSIDE OUR MAIN
18:30:37 ENTRANCE AND HOW THAT CAN FURTHER EXACERBATE THE
18:30:40 SITUATIONS WE HAVE AND AFFECT RESPONSE TIME TO THE
18:30:41 ISLAND.
18:30:43 I UNDERSTAND TAMPA HAS GROWING PAINS BUT AN UNIQUE
18:30:46 SITUATION IN HARBOUR ISLAND WHERE WE ARE WITH BAYSHORE
18:30:50 AND THE PARADES, DOWNTOWN, THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE
18:30:51 AMALIE.
18:30:54 WITH ONLY THE TWO POINTS OF ENTRY THAT WERE DISCUSSED,
18:30:57 ALL THE GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING DOWN THERE WITH WATER
18:30:59 STREET AND THE EXPANSION WITH THAT.
18:31:02 IT -- JUST THE SITUATION SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE.
18:31:06 SO NEEDLESS TO SAY, OUR AREA IS BOOMING AND A LOT OF
18:31:11 UPSIDES TO THAT AND ALSO THE LIMITATIONS WHEN THE BOOM
18:31:13 REACHED RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR FRONT YARD.
18:31:15 ALL WE ARE ASKING THAT THE LAND BE USED AS IT WAS
18:31:18 INTENDED AND RESPECT THE FACTS THAT THE RESIDENTS OF
18:31:23 THE ISLAND AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE ALREADY
18:31:25 STRUGGLING WITH THE GROWTH EXPLOSION THAT ARE AFFECTING
18:31:29 OUR ACCESS, SCHEDULES AND POTENTIALLY OUR SAFETY.
18:31:31 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:31:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:31:37 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
18:31:40 AARON HOEFEN, GENERAL MANAGER OF THE AC HOTEL IN
18:31:42 WESTSHORE.
18:31:47 420 WEST BOY SCOUT BOULEVARD.
18:31:47 I WAS SWORN IN.
18:31:50 I'M HERE WITH ZERO TIES TO THIS PROJECT.
18:31:53 I'M HERE IN FAVOR OF THE BUILD.
18:31:58 I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME DETAILS ABOUT HOW MY HOTEL
18:31:59 RUNS.
18:32:00 I AM 175 ROOMS.
18:32:01 25 ROOMS LARGER.
18:32:06 150 PARKING SPACES ADJACENT TO THE HOTEL.
18:32:09 IT IS VERY RARE THAT WE GET BEYOND 25% CAPACITY OF THAT
18:32:11 PARKING.
18:32:14 WE DO NOT MONETIZE THE PARKING.
18:32:16 WE DON'T SELL THE PROPERTY IN ANY WAY.
18:32:18 NOW, AGAIN, I AM NOT CONNECTED WITH THE MANAGEMENT NOR
18:32:21 THE OWNERSHIP OF THIS BUILD.
18:32:23 TRAFFIC IS VERY LIMITED.
18:32:27 WE FIND THAT OUR SEASONED GUESTS THAT COME TO AN AC
18:32:30 HOTEL -- THEY ARE COMING THROUGH RIDE SHARE.
18:32:33 THEY ARE GENERALLY GOING TO GET TO WHERE THEY GO TO --
18:32:35 THEY ARE GOING TO THE CLOSEST PLACE TO THEIR BUSINESS
18:32:38 OR THE BUSINESS THEY ARE HERE TO SEE.
18:32:39 THEY ARE DOING A LOT OF WALKING.
18:32:44 THE WAY AC HOTELS ARE BUILT AND PLANNED IS WHERE THERE
18:32:47 IS WALKABLE RESTAURANTS, WALKABLE NIGHT LIFE.
18:32:49 WE WILL SEE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
18:32:53 ARRIVAL PATTERNS TEND TO BE 9 A.M. UNTIL 11 P.M. IT IS
18:32:55 SPACED OUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
18:32:58 WE DON'T FIND THAT PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP ALL AT ONE
18:33:01 TIME UNLESS THERE IS AN EVENT IN THE AREA.
18:33:03 TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
18:33:04 I WORKED AT MARRIOTT WATER STREET.
18:33:08 I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS OVER THERE AND HOW
18:33:13 THE -- THE TWO EVENT CENTERS CAN CONGEST THAT AREA.
18:33:16 I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS HOTEL WILL BE A PART OF THAT.
18:33:20 MEETING SPACE IS VERY SMALL IN THESE HOTELS.
18:33:21 VERY SMALL.
18:33:25 AND WE FIND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE INHOUSE GUESTS THAT
18:33:27 ARE GOING DOWN TO THE MEETINGS.
18:33:29 THAT WILL BE THE DRAW FOR.
18:33:32 WE FIND THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND LOCAL RESIDENCES USE
18:33:36 SMALL SPACES TO CONDUCT THEIR OWN BUSINESS IN A PLACE
18:33:36 CLOSE TO HOME.
18:33:40 WE FIND A LOT OF LOCAL ENGAGEMENT IN OUR LOUNGE MAINLY,
18:33:42 BUT ALSO BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING.
18:33:45 IT IS A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT
18:33:48 WILL STOP IN FOR COULD HAVE HEY, HAVE IMPROMPTU
18:33:54 MEETINGS IN FREE SPACES IN OUR FIRST FLOOR I GUESS
18:33:56 GOVERNMENT PARKING GARAGE IN THIS ONE.
18:34:00 BUT IT IS A GREAT UPSCALE HOTEL.
18:34:02 NOT 17TH IN THE BRAND.
18:34:04 THE HIGHEST GUEST SATISFACTION OF ALL THE MARRIOTT
18:34:08 BRANDS AND THE FASTEST GROWING IN OUR PORTFOLIO.
18:34:10 SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:34:13 ANY QUESTIONS.
18:34:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:34:15 >> HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
18:34:17 APPRECIATE IT.
18:34:23 >> HELLO, KEN sTOLTENBERG, KENNEDY BOULEVARD, UNIT 510.
18:34:24 AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
18:34:27 I DON'T LIVE ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
18:34:29 I LIVE IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
18:34:33 I AM NOT HERE IS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
18:34:36 I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF THE PROCESS THAT A DEVELOPER LOOKS
18:34:39 INTO AS YOU MAKE AN INVESTMENT INSPECT COMMUNITY.
18:34:41 YOU KNOW I MADE LARGE INVESTMENTS IN THE CHANNEL
18:34:43 DISTRICT THAT TURNED OUT VERY WELL.
18:34:46 YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE CODE SAYS AND WHAT THE RULES ARE,
18:34:48 AND YOU TRY FOLLOW THEM.
18:34:50 IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANT DID EXACTLY THAT.
18:34:53 I NEVER HAVE SEEN A PROPERTY THAT HAS COME IN THAT HAS
18:34:57 BEEN NAMED CONSISTENT WITH NO VARIANCES OR WAIVERS.
18:34:59 NONE.
18:35:03 SO WHAT THEY ARE SEEKING TO DO MAY NOT BE POPULAR, BUT
18:35:04 IT IS CONSISTENT.
18:35:09 AND I THINK BY NOT TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT, IT MAY
18:35:14 CREATE OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR OTHER FOLKS
18:35:16 LOOKING TO MAKE POSITIVE INVESTMENTS IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
18:35:22 THANK YOU.
18:35:26 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBERS.
18:35:33 BENNETT PAULEY, A RESIDENT OF DAVIS ISLAND ADO WORK
18:35:35 DOWNTOWN AND I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AMENITIES WE HAVE
18:35:36 IN DOWNTOWN.
18:35:39 I GUESS COULD YOU SAY I LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN
18:35:41 DOWNTOWN.
18:35:45 I ALSO SERVE ON THE TAMPA BAY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
18:35:45 COUNCIL.
18:35:48 I AM A COMMISSIONER ON THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITIES,
18:35:50 BUT NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM.
18:35:53 I'M HERE BECAUSE HOTEL PROJECTS LIKE THE AC HOTEL ON
18:35:58 HARBOUR ISLAND HELPS FOLKS LIKE ME TELL A STORY.
18:36:00 THE STORY OF TAMPA TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD.
18:36:04 IT IS A STORY OF A VIBRANT AND GROWING CITY THAT IS
18:36:09 ATTRACTING VISITORS AND WORK FORCE TALENT TO OUR URBAN
18:36:10 CORE IN DROVES.
18:36:12 WE HAVE ALL SEEN IT.
18:36:12 YOU KNOW IT.
18:36:14 YOU HAVE READ THE PAPER.
18:36:17 IN MY CAREER AS A BOARD CERTIFIED CONSTRUCTION LAWYER.
18:36:20 I UNDERSTAND THE FRICTION THAT DOLE DEVELOPS WHEN
18:36:22 DEVELOPMENTS ARE PLANNED NEAR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THAT
18:36:25 HAPPENS USUALLY IN THE SUBURBS.
18:36:28 HERE FOLKS, WE ARE IN THE URBAN CORE.
18:36:32 AND HARBOUR ISLAND IS A VITAL AND ESSENTIAL PART OF THE
18:36:34 URBAN CORE.
18:36:37 THE URBAN CORE IS WHERE A CITY GENERATES THE ENERGY.
18:36:40 IT GENERATES ITS PASSION AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT.
18:36:45 AND HOTELS LIKE THIS BELONG IN THE URBAN CORE.
18:36:48 I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT WILL ENHANCE TAMPA'S OPPORTUNITY
18:36:51 TO HOST MORE LARGE-SCALE EVENTS AND BRING MORE VISITORS
18:36:55 TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WILL HELP LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT
18:36:59 NEED THOSE VISITORS AND WILL HELP OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.
18:37:02 LARGER CONFERENCES MEAN MORE VISITORS, MEANS MORE
18:37:04 REVENUE.
18:37:08 THIS DEVELOPER HAS REALLY DONE A LOT TO ACCOMMODATE THE
18:37:09 CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.
18:37:12 I UNDERSTAND IT MAY NOT BE POPULAR FOR THE RESIDENTS
18:37:18 THAT LIVE THERE AND EYE EMPATHIZE WITH THAT.
18:37:21 BUT WE LIVE AND THEY LIVE IN AN URBAN CORE AND THAT IS
18:37:24 WHAT IS LIVING IN AN URBAN CORE IS ABOUT.
18:37:25 YOU ARE GOING HAVE CONSTRUCTION.
18:37:28 YOU ARE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND BUS WE
18:37:30 ARE IN A GROWING CITY AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED IN
18:37:31 TAMPA.
18:37:35 THIS PROJECT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW A HOTEL CAN
18:37:40 FILL A BUSINESS NEED CREATE JOBS AND ALSO FIT INTO THE
18:37:41 SURROUNDING AREAS.
18:37:45 I COMMEND THE TEAM, THE LIBERTY GROUP FOR LISTENING,
18:37:48 FOR ADJUSTING THEIR PLAN AND MAKING THE ACCOMMODATIONS
18:37:49 THEY HAD.
18:37:52 THE STORY OF TAMPA NEEDS THIS DEVELOPMENT.
18:37:54 AND I ASK YOUR FAVORABLE SUPPORT.
18:37:56 THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
18:38:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:38:04 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL CHAIR CITRO AND
18:38:06 COUNCILMEMBERS.
18:38:09 MY NAME IS BEA BARE.
18:38:14 1,000 SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND, NUMBER 2512.
18:38:16 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
18:38:22 MY OPPOSITION TO THESE ACTIONS HAVE BEEN DETAILED IN
18:38:25 CORRESPONDENCE TO YOU AND TO MARRIOTT'S CEO OF WHICH
18:38:26 YOU WERE COPIED.
18:38:31 I KEEP MULLING OVER IN MY MIND WHAT VALUE WILL THIS
18:38:33 PROJECT BRING TO TAMPA BAY.
18:38:38 BESIDES ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUES, I AM HARD-PRESSED TO
18:38:42 COME UPANY REDEEMING QUALITIES IT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO
18:38:46 TAMPA'S PROGRESS AS DESIGNED.
18:38:51 LIBERTY GROUP PROMOTES THE HOTEL AS ICONIC.
18:38:56 MANY AGE TIFFS COME TO MIND THAT DESCRIBE THIS PROJECT;
18:39:02 HOWEVER, NONE ARE SYNONYMOUS WITH ICONIC.
18:39:06 LIBERTY GROUP STANDS WITH THE CLAIM THAT IT WILL ABU
18:39:06 TEAK HOTEL.
18:39:07 REALLY?
18:39:11 BOUTIQUE HOTELS ARE INTIMATE, HAVE A COZY AMBIENCE,
18:39:13 THAT HAVE A THEME PRESENT THROUGHOUT THE HOTEL.
18:39:17 AN EXAMPLE IS HOTEL AIYN YBOR.
18:39:20 AND LOOK HOW IT RESPECTED, EMBRACED AND PROUDLY
18:39:25 INTEGRATED YBOR'S RICH LEGACIES INTO ITS PROPERTY.
18:39:31 EVEN ITS RESTAURANT NAME, CROW ABOUT ITS HERITAGE.
18:39:33 A BOUTIQUE HOTEL HAS STYLE.
18:39:37 IT HAS BY NASH.
18:39:38 PINACHE.
18:39:40 IN PROPOSED HOTEL.
18:39:43 THE STRUCTURE IS A COLD CONCRETE STEEL AND GLASS
18:39:47 BUILDING THAT IS COMPLETELY VOID OF A PERSONALITY.
18:39:51 IT IS AN OVERSIZED TRAFFIC-INDUCING, UNIMAGINE I HAVE
18:39:55 IT EYESORE THAT COULD POSSIBLY LOOK GREAT ELSEWHERE,
18:39:57 BUT NOT ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
18:40:01 THAT LIBERTY GROUP'S OPEN HOUSE MEETING I URGE $MR.
18:40:04 SHAW TO DO SOMETHING WE COULD BE PROUD OF.
18:40:08 SOMETHING SMALL, UNIQUE, ATTRACTIVE AND COMPATIBLE WITH
18:40:11 HARBOUR ISLAND'S ATTRIBUTES.
18:40:12 SOMETHING WELCOMED.
18:40:14 SOMETHING TRULY ICONIC.
18:40:18 HE HAS THE WHEREWITHAL TO DO THAT.
18:40:23 CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE, ENSURE TAMPA'S QUEST FOR FURTHER
18:40:27 GREATNESS BY ENVISIONING SOMETHING FOR THAT SITE THAT
18:40:30 ADDS TO TAMPA'S CHARACTER AND SETS US APART FROM OTHER
18:40:33 COMMUNITIES INSTEAD OF IMPROVING SOMETHING THAT IS
18:40:38 STRONGLY OPPOSED AND COULD BE ANYWHERE USA.
18:40:42 IN MAKING YOUR IS HE SIGNIFICANCES THIS EVENING, PLEASE
18:40:48 DO NOT CONDEMN US TO MEDIOCRITY.
18:40:49 THANK YOU.
18:40:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:40:52 >> MAY I ASK ONE HOUSEKEEPING QUESTION?
18:40:55 ON THE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING -- IN FRONT OF THE
18:41:01 BUILDING OF THE NOTICE FOR REZONING REZ 21-52.
18:41:06 THERE IS A SECOND SIGN THAT TALKS ABOUT A USE CHANGE
18:41:09 CASE NPC 22-2.
18:41:11 IS THAT -- IS THAT WITHIN THIS?
18:41:14 I AM TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN THAT IS IN FRONT OF 800
18:41:17 HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD.
18:41:21 AND I BELIEVE IT HAD TODAY -- IT HAD TODAY'S DATE ON
18:41:21 IT.
18:41:23 I AM JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
18:41:25 THERE ARE TWO SIGNS IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY.
18:41:32 ONE HAS THE REZ AND THIS OTHER ONE IS N PC.
18:41:36 IS IT?
18:41:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CREMER?
18:41:42 >> JAKE CREMER FOR THE RECORD.
18:41:44 I THINK THIS GENTLEMAN IS TALKING OF THE NOTICE OF
18:41:46 PROPOSED CHANGE SIGN.
18:41:49 THAT IS THE OTHER ITEM WE ARE HEARING SIMULTANEOUSLY
18:41:51 TONIGHT.
18:41:53 TWO ITEMS WE ARE HEARING BOTH.
18:41:54 >> WE ARE TALKING OF BOTH THINGS.
18:41:56 THAT IS ALL.
18:41:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CORRECT.
18:41:59 >> EXCUSE ME.
18:42:01 I WILL TRY NOT TO BE REDUNDANT.
18:42:02 A LOT OF GREAT COMMENTS.
18:42:07 MYSELF AND MY WIFE HAVE -- I AM GREG FAGIOLI.
18:42:09 I LIVE ON HARBOR COURT.
18:42:09 YOU HEARD THAT NAME.
18:42:14 I AND MY WIFE LIVED THERE AND I LIVED IT FOR SINCE 19
18:42:20 -- EXCUSE ME SINCE 1999.
18:42:22 MY WIFE AND I ARE FIRMLY AGAINST THIS.
18:42:24 RATHER THAN BE REDUNDANT.
18:42:25 BRING UP A FEW FACTS.
18:42:30 SOME THAT I HAVE READ THAT THE HARBOUR ISLAND IS -- IS
18:42:36 -- POSSESSES 283% MORE POPULATION THAN THE AVERAGE IN
18:42:37 TAMPA.
18:42:40 ALREADY HAVE WAY MORE POPULATION DENSITY ON THE HARBOUR
18:42:41 ISLAND.
18:42:44 ALL THIS IS GOING TO DO IS BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE.
18:42:49 I UNDERSTAND ABOUT NOT BEING AN EXPERT, BUT I GUESS ALL
18:42:52 THE FOLKS THAT YOU HEAR THAT AREN'T FOR THIS ARE
18:42:54 EXPERTS BECAUSE WE LIVE THERE.
18:42:57 WE GO THROUGH THOSE INTERSECTIONS ALL THE TIME.
18:42:58 WE LOOK THERE.
18:43:00 I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT SOMEBODY
18:43:02 MIGHT HAVE, BECAUSE I AM THERE.
18:43:04 I UNDERSTAND.
18:43:08 THE NEXT THING IS SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT OTHER
18:43:09 PLACES.
18:43:12 AND WE BROUGHT UP YBOR CITY.
18:43:15 CERTAINLY PLACES LIKE RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM AREA, YBOR
18:43:19 CITY, RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS, EVEN ON DAVIS ISLAND SINCE THE
18:43:23 GENTLEMAN MENTIONED IT, THERE IS A NEED AND A LOT OF
18:43:25 OTHER PLACES RATHER THAN PUTTING IT ON THE HARBOUR
18:43:26 ISLAND.
18:43:29 THE OTHER THING IS, THE GENTLEMAN LEFT WAS TWO SPEAKERS
18:43:31 BEFORE ME, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT HE
18:43:36 COMMENTED THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE VOTERS ARE NOT IN
18:43:38 FAVOR OF THIS.
18:43:42 SO I HAVEN'T MET ANYBODY ON HARBOUR ISLAND AND OVER THE
18:43:45 LAST FEW MONTHS THAT HAS BEEN IN FAVOR OF THIS.
18:43:50 SO I WOULD ALSO SAY SINCE WE HAVE THIS POSTED --
18:43:53 POSTAGE STAMP SIZE WE WANT TO BUILD THIS COLUMN ON,
18:43:56 JUST BECAUSE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND VACANT LAND
18:43:58 DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO BUILD ON IT.
18:43:59 IT DOESN'T MEAN IT.
18:44:02 YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT JUST THE WAY IT IS.
18:44:03 AND NO HARM, NO FOUL.
18:44:05 THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
18:44:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:44:15 >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
18:44:17 GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING.
18:44:21 BOB MORRISON AND I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY -- ACTUALLY
18:44:22 WITH TWO PERSPECTIVES.
18:44:24 AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
18:44:28 FIRST, I SERVE AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HILLSBOROUGH
18:44:31 COUNTY'S HOTEL AND MOTEL ASSOCIATION.
18:44:35 SECONDLY, SOME OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT I ACTUALLY WAS
18:44:40 PART OF THE CITY LEADERSHIP TEAM IN THE 1980S WHEN
18:44:45 HARBOUR ISLAND WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO THE TABLE BY
18:44:47 BENEFICIAL FINANCE.
18:44:49 SO I COME TO YOU THIS EVENING FROM THOSE TWO
18:44:50 PERSPECTIVES.
18:44:55 I AM STANDING HERE IN FAVOR OF AGENDA ITEMS 2 AND 3.
18:44:57 HERE ARE THE REASONS WHY.
18:45:01 NUMBER ONE, WHEN WE TALK OF HOTELS IN TODAY'S
18:45:05 ENVIRONMENT, THERE IS A CONCEPT CALLED GRAND STANDARDS.
18:45:09 WHICH MEANS THAT THERE IS A QUALITY CONTROL ELEMENT
18:45:14 THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THE OWNER, SEPARATE FROM THE
18:45:18 MANAGEMENT TEAM, WHERE IN THIS INSTANCE, MARRIOTT COME
18:45:24 IN PERIODICALLY AND DICTATES IMPROVEMENTS, UPGRADES,
18:45:29 EVEN DURING RECESSIONARY PERIODS TO ENSURE THAT THE
18:45:31 BRAND REPUTATION IS MAINTAINED.
18:45:38 SECONDLY, ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE REALITY OF
18:45:39 TRANSPORTATION APPS.
18:45:43 THOSE APPS HAVE DRAMATICALLY SHIFTED THE IMPACT THAT
18:45:46 TRAFFIC USED TO HAVE AT OUR HOTEL PROPERTIES.
18:45:52 YOU HEARD AARON FROM AC ON BOY SCOUT BOULEVARD DESCRIBE
18:45:55 WHAT IS NOW HAPPENING WITH HIS PARKING.
18:45:57 WE ARE FINDING MORE AND MORE THAT WHERE THERE IS
18:46:01 LIMITED MEETING SPACE IN THE FACILITY, THAT THE NEED
18:46:05 FOR PARKING OR THE IMPACT OF OVERFLOW PARKING IS
18:46:10 DRAMATICALLY OFFSET BY THESE TRANSPORTATION APPS, EVEN
18:46:14 TAXIS NOW OPERATE WITH THIS APP TECHNOLOGY.
18:46:19 THIRDLY, WHAT WE ALSO -- WHAT WE WILL SHARE WITH YOU IS
18:46:23 THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THIS PROPERTY WILL ULTIMATELY
18:46:27 OPERATE, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THESE HOTELS AND THE
18:46:31 HOTEL INDUSTRY IS JOB CREATION.
18:46:34 NOT JUST HIGH-END JOBS.
18:46:39 B FROM ENTRY LEVEL, REQUIRING HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMAS TO
18:46:39 GRADUATE DEGREES.
18:46:43 AS A COMMUNITY, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, IT IS SO
18:46:47 IMPORTANT THAT WE GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO
18:46:50 ARE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
18:46:54 WORK AND THE BUSINESSES AS THEY -- THAT THEY WORK FOR
18:46:56 HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW.
18:47:01 FINALLY I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS OBSERVATION.
18:47:07 IN 1982, THERE WAS A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT
18:47:13 THERE WAS A DEMARCATION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL SOUTH
18:47:17 NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE MORE COMMERCIAL NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD
18:47:21 OR NORTH SECTION OF THE ISLAND.
18:47:24 AS A RESULT, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE IS YOU COMPATIBLE.
18:47:25 THANK YOU.
18:47:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
18:47:38 >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS FRAN LAVANDERA.
18:47:39 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
18:47:41 A 30-YEAR RESIDENT.
18:47:44 MY DECEASED HUSBAND WAS AN ORIGINAL HOMEOWNER THERE AND
18:47:48 PRESIDENT OF THE HARBOUR ISLAND HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION
18:47:52 WHICH MR. REFERENCE MENTIONED IS THE SEVEN-STORY
18:47:56 CONDOMINIUMS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE HEALTH CLUB.
18:47:58 I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO REALIZE WHEN
18:48:01 HE STATES THAT THE HOTEL IS -- THAT OUR GATE IS SOUTH
18:48:02 OF THE HOTEL.
18:48:04 IT IS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH.
18:48:07 IT IS ABOUT ONE CAR LENGTH FROM THEIR LOADING DOCK.
18:48:10 AND NOW THE SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE HEALTH CLUB AND
18:48:12 THAT BUILDING.
18:48:14 HALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE HEALTH CLUB AT A
18:48:16 MINIMUM LIVE ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
18:48:20 THEY ARE ALREADY TRAVELLING TO THE ISLAND.
18:48:24 I JUST DO NOT SEE HOW THIS IN ANY WAY BE BENEFICIAL TO
18:48:24 US.
18:48:26 I THINK IT IS GOING TO IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:48:29 AND, AGAIN, I THINK THAT IS THE IMPORTANT WORD
18:48:29 "NEIGHBORHOOD."
18:48:33 THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:48:37 THIS IS WHERE WE TRAVEL IN AND OUT EVERY DAY.
18:48:40 AND THE TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS ALREADY.
18:48:43 IT WAS VERY NAIVE OF THAT GENTLEMAN FROM THE AC OF
18:48:48 WESTSHORE TO COMPARE HIS HOTEL FOR WHAT THIS WILL
18:48:50 PROSPECTIVELY BE.
18:48:53 IF YOU TRAVEL ANYWHERE OFF OF THE ISLAND IN CHANNELSIDE
18:48:57 IF THERE IS AN EVENT, A FOOTBALL GAME, A HOCKEY GAME, A
18:48:58 CONVENTION.
18:49:00 PEOPLE ARE LINED UP TO GET INTO THE MARRIOTT.
18:49:03 THEY ARE LINED UP TO GET INTO THE HARBOUR ISLAND HOTEL
18:49:06 TO REGISTER, THE EMBASSY SUITES, ALL OF THEM.
18:49:09 THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BRING TO OUR DATE.
18:49:12 THE COMIC CON PEOPLE, THE METRO CON PEOPLE.
18:49:17 ALL OF THE CONVENTIONERS THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BRING TO
18:49:20 OUR GATE, THE FRONT DOORS OF OUR HOME.
18:49:21 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
18:49:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:49:28 >> GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE CHAIRMAN CITRO.
18:49:30 HONORABLE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF AND
18:49:34 OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC HERE WARM APPROXIMATING.
18:49:42 SANTIAGO CORRATO.
18:49:44 >> THE OF -- TAMPA BAY.
18:49:47 TOUR CIVIL A ECONOMIC DRIVE FOR US.
18:49:50 OVER THE LAST TEN OR SO YEARS, WE HAVE BUILT A
18:49:54 DESTINATION BRAND THAT HAS REACHED EPIC PROPORTIONS
18:49:58 VISITATION FROM LEISURE TRAVELERS, INTERNATIONAL,
18:50:01 CONVENTIONS, EVENTS AND MEETINGS.
18:50:04 I WILL SAY SO SUCCESSFUL THAT RIGHT NOW HOTEL OCCUPANCY
18:50:08 IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS IN THE HIGH 80S.
18:50:10 MEANING THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER THAT WE ARE SPENDING
18:50:15 TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON COLLECTIVELY, AND WE CAN
18:50:20 ALL SEE THAT, REALLY NEEDS MORE HOTEL INVENTORY.
18:50:23 YOU KNOW I -- I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO MY FRIENDS ON
18:50:23 HARBOUR ISLAND.
18:50:29 I SERVED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ADMINISTRATOR WITH THE CITY
18:50:31 OF TAMPA AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE
18:50:32 PERSPECTIVES.
18:50:34 I THINK WHEN OVER 30 YEARS AGO THE CITY INVESTED IN A
18:50:38 CONVENTION CENTER, THIS WAS THE NEARBY DEVELOPMENT THAT
18:50:42 THAT CONVENTION CENTER WAS SUPPOSED TO DRIVE.
18:50:48 HOTELS THAT WOULD BE FILLED WITH CONVENTIONEERS AND
18:50:51 MEETINGS THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO OUR ECONOMY.
18:50:55 QUITE HONESTLY A HOTEL PROPERTY IS NOT JUST A HOTEL
18:50:57 PROPERTY AND DOES NOT JUST PROVIDE JOBS TO OUR
18:50:58 NEIGHBORS.
18:51:01 THAT PROPERTY WILL PAY CITY AND COUNTY TAXES.
18:51:02 WILL BUY WATER FROM THE CITY.
18:51:05 WILL PAY THE CITY FOR WASTE SERVICES.
18:51:09 AND ALSO WILL PAY TECO FOR POWER AND ELECTRIC WHICH
18:51:12 MEANS THAT WE ARE ALSO BENEFITING FROM THOSE TAXES AND
18:51:17 QUITE HONESTLY, THE REASON ALL FLORIDIANS HAVE NO NORTH
18:51:20 CAROLINA TAX IS BECAUSE TOUR CIVIL A DRIVER TO OUR
18:51:22 SALES TAX.
18:51:25 AND OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER IN THE STATE HAVE HAD
18:51:29 OVER A QUARTER OF FLORIDA SALES TAX IS DERIVED FROM
18:51:30 VISITORS.
18:51:33 AND SO THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT COME AND SUPPORT OUR
18:51:36 QUALITY OF LIFE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES
18:51:36 FOR.
18:51:39 SO I APOLOGIZE TO MY GOOD FRIENDS IN HARBOUR ISLAND
18:51:43 MANY SAY GOOD JOB IN YOUR TESTIMONY TONIGHT.
18:51:46 BUT ECONOMICALLY AND FOR THE SUPPORT OF OUR TAMPA
18:51:51 CONVENTION CENTER, ANOTHER HOTEL IS NEEDED, AND
18:51:55 UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THE TAMPA
18:51:56 CONVENTION CENTER.
18:51:57 I WANT TO THANK YOU.
18:52:00 GREAT TO BE BACK HOME EVEN UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
18:52:02 IT HAS BEEN NINE YEARS SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE.
18:52:05 AND IT IS ALWAYS AN HONOR TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU.
18:52:07 THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME WITH THE OPPORTUNITY.
18:52:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:52:14 >> HI, SUSAN DOYLE.
18:52:17 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
18:52:21 I LIVE AT 948 HEMINGWAY CIRCLE.
18:52:24 FOR -- IT IS ACTUALLY OUR SECOND RESIDENCE.
18:52:27 WE HAVE BEEN THERE 18 YEARS ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
18:52:30 I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF VERY IMPORTANT POINTS, BUT
18:52:33 NOT BE REDUNDANT.
18:52:37 FIRST OF ALL, I AM -- I AM AN EXPERT ON LIVING ON
18:52:41 HARBOUR ISLAND BUT I AM NOT A EXPERT WITNESS NOR ARE
18:52:45 ANY THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE TESTIFIED WHO DON'T EVEN
18:52:49 LIVE ON HARBOUR ISLAND, SUCH AS THE GENTLEMAN FROM
18:52:51 DAVIS ISLAND AND OTHERS.
18:52:57 BUT I JUST -- I DID SOME RESEARCH ON VISION IMAGINE
18:52:59 2040, TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
18:53:05 AND I SAW SOME IMPORTANT HIGHLIGHTS.
18:53:07 DEFINING WHAT A LIVABLE CITY IS.
18:53:09 IT FEELS SAFE.
18:53:13 THIS PROPOSAL WILL NOT MAKE OVER 3,000 RESIDENTS NOR
18:53:18 ANY OF THE PEDESTRIANS OR THE SCOOTERS, THE PEDESTRIANS
18:53:21 WHO VISIT THE CONVENTION CENTER FEEL VERY SAFE.
18:53:24 I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.
18:53:27 THE -- THIS HOTEL WILL NOT OFFER THIS SORT OF
18:53:31 OPPORTUNITY THAT 40 YEARS OF HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE PAID
18:53:36 SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY TAXES AND HAVE BEEN THE DRIVER OF
18:53:38 -- OF OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
18:53:43 I MEAN, WHEN JEFF -- WHEN SPP BOUGHT THE 40 ACRES,
18:53:44 THERE WERE EMPTY PARKING LOTS.
18:53:47 SO WHO IS TALKING ABOUT AN ECONOMIC DRIVER.
18:53:49 WE WERE THE DRIVERS OF DOWNTOWN.
18:53:55 AND WE CREATED A SAFE LITTLE COMMUNITY FOR OURSELVES.
18:53:58 THE OTHER THING IS, A LIVABLE CITY HAS TO BE
18:54:00 ATTRACTIVE.
18:54:02 THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT ATTRACTIVE AT ALL.
18:54:07 AND I WELCOME MISS HURTAK, WHO DIME VISIT OUR AREA.
18:54:10 BALK YOU CAN SEE THE LINE OF DEMARCATION.
18:54:13 SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD IS A PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
18:54:15 THAT IS WHO WE ARE.
18:54:21 3,000 OF US, WALKING AREAS, DOG WALKING, CHILDREN WHO
18:54:25 WAIT FOR BUSES TWICE A DAY, TRANSPORTED.
18:54:28 THIS HOTEL WILL PUT ALL OF US AT RISK.
18:54:35 AND SO I SAY ONE LAST THING TO YOU.
18:54:38 YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU ARE OUR GUARDIANS.
18:54:43 WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THROUGH OUR VOTES CONSERVATORSHIP OF
18:54:45 ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
18:54:51 DO THE RIGHT THING, PLEASE.
18:54:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:54:58 >> SAM HALLENBECK.
18:55:01 I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HARBOUR ISLAND FOR 23 YEARS.
18:55:03 AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
18:55:08 MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS PROJECT IS PRIMARILY WHERE
18:55:11 IT IS BEING PLACED AND THE ORIENTATION OF IT.
18:55:13 THAT IS OUR WEST GATE.
18:55:17 AND WE WILL BE STARING AS WE ENTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS
18:55:20 WE LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SQUARELY INTO THE REAR ENDS
18:55:24 OF THIS THING GIVEN THE GARBAGE AREA.
18:55:27 AND ALL THE HARDWARE, THE PIPING, THE DUMPSTERS, THE
18:55:30 GREASE TRAPS AND THE LIKE ALL SET TO THE TUNE OF
18:55:33 BEEPING TRASH TRUCKS, DELIVERY TRUCKS AND ROARING
18:55:35 EXHAUST FANS.
18:55:38 LET'S NOT FORGET THE FAY LOS ANGELES.
18:55:43 SECURITY LIGHTS THAT WILL STAIR US STRAIGHT INTO --
18:55:45 STARE US STRAIGHT INTO THE WINDOWS.
18:55:48 THEY SAID THEY WILL KEEP THE GARAGE DOOR CLOSE $.
18:55:51 YOU LOOK THROUGH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE HIGH-RISES,
18:55:53 MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE NOT CLOSED.
18:55:55 THEY ARE WIDE OPEN WITH THE PIPING AND OTHER STUFF
18:55:57 GOING ON.
18:55:59 THE DEVELOPERS SAY THE LOT IS MIXED USE.
18:56:02 WE HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT MIXED USE TONIGHT.
18:56:06 AND THAT ABSOLUTELY NEGATES THE ISLAND'S EXECUTION.
18:56:09 EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THE KNIGHT'S RUN MEDIAN IS BY
18:56:13 DESIGN A PARK-LIKE SUBURBAN OASIS IN THE MIDDLE.
18:56:16 CITY AND THAT LAND DOES NOT SERVE AS AN EXTENSION OF
18:56:20 THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN INDUSTRIAL AESTHETICS.
18:56:24 IF THIS HOTEL GOES UP IT WILL SPIT INTO THE COLLECTIVE
18:56:28 FACE OF EVERYTHING WE BUILT THERE AND DOES NOTHING MORE
18:56:31 THAN TO PAVE THE WAY FOR ONE GROUP OF INVESTORS TO MAKE
18:56:34 THE BUCK OF THE EXPENSE OF 3,000 PEOPLE WHO LIVE FULL
18:56:36 TIME BACK BEHIND THOSE GATES AND NOTHING SHORT OF
18:56:37 PATHETIC.
18:56:39 THANK YOU.
18:56:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:56:45 >> MY NAME IS WAYNE CURTIS.
18:56:48 I LIVE AT 330 INNER HARBOR CIRCLE IN HARBOUR ISLAND
18:56:51 WITH MY WIFE, ROSEMARY.
18:56:53 THE BEAUTIFUL WOMAN BEHIND ME.
18:56:56 AND I ACTUALLY THINK A LOT OF WHAT THE SPEAKERS SAID
18:57:01 THAT WERE PRO THE HOTEL IS REASONABLE.
18:57:05 BUT THERE IS ONE ITEM THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED BUT I
18:57:09 JUST REALLY WANT TO DRIVE HOME THE FACT THE HOTEL IS
18:57:10 HERE.
18:57:13 THE GATE TO HARBOUR ISLAND IS LITERALLY -- I THINK IF
18:57:17 YOU GET PROBABLY THREE CARS, ALL THOSE TRUCKS WON'T BE
18:57:20 ABLE TO TURN INTO THE ENTRANCE, THE SHARED ENTRANCE
18:57:25 WITH HARBOUR ISLAND ATHLETIC CLUB WITH THE HOTEL.
18:57:27 IT WILL CAUSE A CATASTROPHIC BACK-UP.
18:57:30 I WOULD SAY IF THEY CAN SOMEHOW BRING ALL THE TRUCKS
18:57:35 OFF OF ABBEY'S WAY, I WOULD FEEL LIKE I AM CUTTING OFF
18:57:37 PART OF MY FARM A COMPROMISE.
18:57:39 I WOULD GIVE THEM -- I GOOD WOULD GRANT THEM THAT
18:57:40 HOTEL.
18:57:42 BUT THE GATE ENTRANCE IS LITERALLY RIGHT HERE.
18:57:46 THE TRUCK ENTRANCE -- MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE CARS BACK.
18:57:49 THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TURN IN.
18:57:53 IT WILL BE CATASTROPHIC AND THEN OF COURSE THE KIDS AND
18:57:54 THE BUSES.
18:57:56 THAT IS AN ISSUE.
18:57:57 THAT COULD ALWAYS BE WORKED OUT.
18:58:00 I AM TELLING YOU -- I KNOW YOU SAW THE ENTRANCE.
18:58:04 YOU GO THERE AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING, 9:00, 10:00 IN THE
18:58:04 MORNING.
18:58:05 THERE ARE PLUMBER TRUCKS.
18:58:07 CARPENTER TRUCKS.
18:58:08 LAWN SERVICE TRUCKS.
18:58:09 WHATEVER.
18:58:10 THEY ARE JUST NO WAY.
18:58:14 SO I WILL TELL THEM IF THEY COULD MAKE THE ENTRANCE OFF
18:58:18 OF KNIGHT'S RUN FOR THE TRUCKS, I CAN LIVE WITH IT, BUT
18:58:21 TO ME THAT IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST -- IT WILL BE
18:58:22 CATASTROPHIC.
18:58:26 IT WILL BE GRIDLOCK AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION
18:58:28 GOES ON, WE ARE ALL ABOUT TO LIVE THROUGH THAT PAIN IF
18:58:30 IT DOES HAPPEN.
18:58:31 I CAN EVEN LIVE WITH THAT.
18:58:34 BUT IT IS -- THAT ENTRANCE FOR THE TRUCKS AND THE
18:58:39 DELIVERY, UNLESS THEY SAID WE WILL HAVE IT DONE FROM 4
18:58:42 A.M. TO 7 A.M. AND WON'T LET IT COME IN.
18:58:45 THAT MAKES IT MORE ACCESSIBLE.
18:58:49 TO ME THE SINGLE BIGGEST THING IS THE CLUSTER TO GET ON
18:58:52 TO HARBOUR ISLAND AND THAT IS OUR ENTRANCE TO OUR HOME.
18:58:56 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:58:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
18:59:01 EXCUSE ME, SIR -- OKAY.
18:59:02 I AM SORRY.
18:59:03 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
18:59:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
18:59:08 GIVE 'BECAUSE A COUPLE OF FOLKS HAVE BROUGHT UP THE
18:59:12 CONSTRUCTION ISSUE WHICH IS A VERY RELEVANT ISSUE ON
18:59:12 NUMEROUS GROUNDS.
18:59:16 BUT NUMBER ONE -- SOLO QUESTION.
18:59:20 WHAT RELEVANCY DOES THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD HAVE ON
18:59:28 CRITERIA USED TO SUPPORT OR DENY A PROJECT?
18:59:30 I AM NEVER HEARD OF IT HAVING.
18:59:32 I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
18:59:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, COUNCIL, I BELIEVE -- I WAS
18:59:39 DISCUSSING THAT WITH MISS WELLS, AND IT -- MISS WELLS,
18:59:41 DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT PLEASE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
18:59:46 PLAN.
18:59:49 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU, CATE WELLS, CHIEF ASSISTANT
18:59:50 CITY ATTORNEY.
18:59:54 I WILL HAVE TO DEFER TO STAFF IN INTERPRETING BOTH THE
18:59:57 CRITERIA IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL AS THE
18:59:58 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
19:00:02 WHEN FIRST RAISED, THE POLICY I THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE
19:00:05 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 9.3.8.
19:00:09 BUT AS I READ IT, I REALIZE WHAT IT SAYS IS, IT IS THE
19:00:11 INTENT OF THE CITY THAT NEW RESIDENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT
19:00:15 PROJECTS SHALL BE MINIMALLY DISRUPTIVE TO ADJACENT
19:00:16 AREAS.
19:00:19 THAT IS, OF COURSE, TALKING OF RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS AND
19:00:21 NOT A HOTEL OF THIS NATURE.
19:00:24 IF JENNIFER MALONE, IF SHE IS AWARE OF ANY POLICIES IN
19:00:28 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE WOULD
19:00:30 COME INTO PLAY IN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF SHE CAN
19:00:34 RESPOND TO THAT.
19:00:37 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE -- THANK YOU,
19:00:38 JENNIFER MALONE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
19:00:40 I WILL LOOK IN THE PLAN.
19:00:43 I AM UNAWARE OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
19:00:47 THE ONE THAT MISS WELLS REFERENCED WAS THE FIRST ONE
19:00:48 THINK THAT THOUGHT OF TOO.
19:00:50 IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT I WILL LOOK INTO IT.
19:00:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU FINISHED.
19:00:53 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
19:00:56 I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY CLEARLY WE DON'T NEED AN ANSWER
19:00:59 NOW AND BETTER TO LOOK AT IT AND BE RIGHT THAN
19:01:02 OTHERWISE, I JUST NEVER CONSIDERED THAT IN JUDGING A
19:01:03 PROJECT.
19:01:05 AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
19:01:06 THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
19:01:08 THANK YOU.
19:01:12 >> THANKS.
19:01:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM SORRY, MADAM.
19:01:18 MISS MALONE, ARE YOU STILL THERE?
19:01:20 >>JENNIFER MALONE: I AM ALWAYS HERE.
19:01:22 YES, HOW CAN I HELP YOU.
19:01:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DID YOU HEAR MY QUESTION TO MISS
19:01:33 MANDELL EARLIER ABOUT WHETHER THE -- THE LINE OF
19:01:38 DEMARCATION BETWEEN THE -- THE INTENSITY AND THE
19:01:39 RESIDENTIAL.
19:01:42 WAS THAT SET BY DESIGN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND
19:01:44 BY THE CITY?
19:01:46 AND IF SO, WHEN.
19:01:49 BUT WHEN YOU COME BACK TO EVEN COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU
19:01:50 CAN ANSWER MINE.
19:01:51 PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
19:01:53 >>JENNIFER MALONE: SURE, THANK YOU.
19:01:54 I WILL BE BACK.
19:01:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:01:56 YES, MADAM.
19:01:58 THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
19:01:58 >> SURE.
19:02:03 ROSEMARY CURTIS 330 INNER HARBOR CIRCLE.
19:02:06 WHEN I HEARD OF THE PROJECT, MY IMMEDIATE THOUGHT WAS
19:02:08 TRAFFIC AS YOU HEARD FROM EVERYBODY TODAY.
19:02:10 I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS -- TRAFFIC IS REALLY TOUGH.
19:02:15 A GRIDLOCK GETTING ON AND OFF THE ISLAND.
19:02:17 NOT JUST LIGHTNING GAMES BUT OUR SPORTING EVENTS,
19:02:21 CONCERTS AND CONVENTIONS.
19:02:22 THE CONVENTIONS ARE ROUTINE.
19:02:25 RIVER WALK, BOAT PARADES, FIREWORKS CELEBRATION.
19:02:28 ONGOING.
19:02:31 IT IS WONDERFUL, BUT CAUSES A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR US.
19:02:36 SO YOU MIGHT SAY, OH, WELL THIS -- ONE MORE COMMERCIAL
19:02:37 PROJECT WILL MATTER.
19:02:40 EVERY COMMERCIAL PROJECT MATTERS TO OUR ABILITY TO GET
19:02:42 ON AND OFF THE ISLAND.
19:02:45 I HEARD TONIGHT TODAY ONE OF THE COMPARINGS TO US WITH
19:02:46 CHANNELSIDE.
19:02:48 WE ARE NOTHING LIKE CHANNELSIDE.
19:02:51 CHANNELSIDE IS A GRID.
19:02:55 A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET TO POINT A TO POINT B.
19:02:59 WE HAVE ONE WAY TO GET ON AND OFF THE ISLAND.
19:03:04 MY LAST ITEM WAS THE MAIN AS MY HUSBAND'S.
19:03:05 THE ACCESS.
19:03:09 THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO HARBOUR ISLAND IS EXACTLY NEXT TO
19:03:12 WHERE THEY WILL BE GOING AND MY MAIN THING IS -- I
19:03:13 DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT.
19:03:16 SERVICE VEHICLE GOING ON TO HARBOUR ISLAND IS NOT
19:03:19 ALLOWED TO ENTER THROUGH THAT GATE.
19:03:23 NOW CURRENTLY, UNDER OUR EXISTING SITUATION, THEY MUST
19:03:26 GO TO THE EAST GATE.
19:03:30 SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING PROBABLY BIGGER SERVICE
19:03:33 VEHICLES, FUNNELLING THEM INTO THE GUEST LANE WHICH IS
19:03:38 ALREADY BACKED UP, PULLING INTO A VERY TIGHT TURN ON TO
19:03:39 THE PROPERTY.
19:03:42 WHEN I SAW THE SERVICE ENTRANCE, I WAS APPALLED.
19:03:47 TO GO INTO -- PULL THROUGH INTO THE ATHLETIC CLUB
19:03:51 ENTRANCE WITH ALL THE ATHLETIC CLUB MEMBERS OF WHICH I
19:03:56 WAS ONE AND INTO THE SERVICE AREA UNDER THE HOTEL IS A
19:03:58 VERY, VERY TIGHT AREA.
19:04:04 THAT, I THINK, WAS THE MOST -- THE MOST INAPPROPRIATE
19:04:08 THING I SAW IN THE PROJECT WAS WHERE THE SERVICE
19:04:09 ENTRANCE IS.
19:04:14 AND AGAIN, THERE WILL BE SPILLOVER FROM THAT HOTEL INTO
19:04:18 THE HARBOUR ISLAND AND ALREADY IS WITH AMERICAN SOCIAL
19:04:19 AND JACKSONS.
19:04:24 ALREADY PEOPLE PARKING UNAUTHORIZED IN THE HARBOUR
19:04:25 ISLAND LOT.
19:04:28 IMPLICATIONS OF HAVING EVERYTHING IN THIS VERY, VERY
19:04:28 TIGHT ZONE.
19:04:32 I WANT TO LEAVE WITH YOU THIS REMINDER, OUR SERVICE
19:04:35 VEHICLES CURRENTLY DO NOT GO IN THAT ENTRANCE.
19:04:35 THANK YOU.
19:04:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:04:41 >> I AM CHRISTIE WENSON.
19:04:44 316 INNER HARBOR CIRCLE.
19:04:47 A COMMERCIAL INTERIOR DESIGNER.
19:04:50 I WORKED LOCALLY -- I DO CONSULTING WORKS FOR VETERAN
19:04:52 AFFAIRS, MOSTLY OUT IN CALIFORNIA.
19:04:55 I ONLY LIVED IN HARBOUR ISLAND AND I LIVED THERE 22
19:04:57 YEARS NOW.
19:04:59 AND -- SO I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH AND, YES, IT IS A
19:05:03 STRUGGLE WITH THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT, BUT BESIDES THE
19:05:07 TRAFFIC, WE ARE AN UNIQUE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:05:10 YOU KNOW, IT'S -- IT IS JUST SO UNIQUE TO HAVE THE
19:05:11 RESIDENCES.
19:05:14 I LOVE THE QUIET, YOU KNOW -- I AM IN THE BUSTLE BUT I
19:05:19 COME BACK ON TO HARBOUR ISLAND AND IT IS LIKE WHEW,
19:05:21 ZEN.
19:05:24 ADDING A HOTEL WILL JUST TAKE AWAY FROM EVERYTHING THAT
19:05:27 WE LOVE AND APPRECIATE ABOUT HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:05:30 AND THEY CLAIM THEY ARE LISTENING TO US.
19:05:33 IT WASN'T UPROAR IN THE LAST MEETING.
19:05:37 I MEAN, I BARELY SPOKE -- HEARD ANYONE THAT WANTS THIS
19:05:37 HOTEL.
19:05:39 THEY CLAIM BOUTIQUE HOTEL.
19:05:45 IF YOU LOOK UP "BOUTIQUE" IT IS TYPICALLY TEN TO 100
19:05:45 ROOMS.
19:05:48 THIS IS -- WHAT, 250.
19:05:50 SO A LOT MORE THAN A BOUTIQUE HOTEL.
19:05:51 BOUTIQUE HOTEL.
19:05:53 IT IS NOT UNIQUE.
19:05:56 IT IS A LOT OF THE CURRENTS DESIGN GOING ON ANYWHERE
19:06:01 YOU GO ON TO ANY CITY.
19:06:04 AND TRAFFIC -- I MEAN, WE DO -- YOU AGAIN, A LOT OF
19:06:06 PEOPLE ADDRESSED THE GATE.
19:06:09 IF OFF LINE OF THREE CARS WAITING TO GET INTO HARBOUR
19:06:14 ISLAND, IT BLOCKS PEOPLE THAT ARE IN LINE TRYING TO GET
19:06:19 INTO THE ATHLETIC CLUB OR THE FUTURE HOTEL.
19:06:22 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WITH THE VALET, HOW ARE THEY GOING
19:06:27 TO VAT DATE THE PURPOSE OF YOUR VISIT AND PROTECT
19:06:29 PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE FOR EVENTS.
19:06:32 ARE THEY GOING TO QUESTION THEM, OH, NO -- PEOPLE ARE
19:06:34 GOING TO LIE.
19:06:37 AND I WOULDN'T CONSIDER US THE URBAN CORE.
19:06:41 WE ARE, AGAIN, UNIQUE OUTSKIRTS.
19:06:41 WE ARE RESIDENCES.
19:06:45 YES WE ARE -- IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE GROWTH, I WOULD
19:06:48 RATHER SEE IT ZONED AS IT IS OR MIXED USE WITH MORE
19:06:51 RESIDENCES, RESTAURANTS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY
19:06:55 USE.
19:06:56 THANK YOU.
19:07:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:07:09 >> COUNCILMEMBERS, DR. ROBERT MADDALON, RESIDENT 903
19:07:10 MARINER WAY.
19:07:13 I BOUGHT A CONDO IN 1987.
19:07:15 BUILT A HOUSE THERE IN 1992.
19:07:18 AND I ASK TO YOU VOTE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL.
19:07:23 I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, MY WIFE AND THREE COLLEGE-AGED
19:07:28 CHILDREN ALL REGISTERED VOTERS AT THIS ADDRESS.
19:07:31 SOME OF THIS WILL BE REDUNDANT, BUT IN HOTEL WILL
19:07:34 STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB ONCE YOU CROSS A BRIDGE
19:07:38 FROM HARBOUR ISLAND OVER ON TO HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:07:42 THAT IS OUR MAIN ENTRY POINT FOR HUNDREDS OF HOMES AND
19:07:44 CONDOS.
19:07:47 I WATCH A DEVELOPER ON ZOOM.
19:07:48 THEIR PRESENTATION.
19:07:51 I ATTENDED IT IN PERSON.
19:07:52 THERE ARE STAFFERS.
19:07:55 TRAFFIC STAFFERS SAID THAT -- I SPOKE WITH MR. COHEN IN
19:07:56 PERSON.
19:08:00 HE SAID IT WON'T INCREASE THE TRAFFIC ANYMORE THAN THAT
19:08:01 BANK DID.
19:08:02 WELL, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
19:08:05 THE BANK WAS RARELY USED.
19:08:09 TO COMPARE THAT TO A 150-ROOM, 24-HOUR HOTEL WITH A
19:08:14 RESTAURANT, BUSINESS MEETINGS, SUPPLIERS, WASTE
19:08:16 DISPOSAL IS INCORRECT, IN MY OPINION.
19:08:22 THERE ARE OCCASIONAL BACK-UPS -- I KNOW THIS IS
19:08:23 REDUNDANT.
19:08:27 OCCASIONAL BACK-UPS NOW INTO THE MAIN ENTRY GATE WHICH
19:08:29 YOU HEARD 20 TIMES SO FAR TODAY.
19:08:34 I FIND IT IRONIC THAT THE ARCHITECTS PICTURE OF THE
19:08:38 CURRENT ENTRY WAY SHOWS A THREE-CAR BACK-UP AT THE MAIN
19:08:38 GATE.
19:08:43 NOW IF YOU ADD HOTEL DELIVERIES, WASTE DISPOSAL, HOTEL
19:08:46 GUESTS USING THE BACK WAY, ALL TRAVELING ON SOUTH
19:08:50 HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD, AND MAKING A LEFT, THAT
19:08:54 CONGESTION IS -- BECOMES MUCH WORSE AND IN ADDITION TO
19:08:59 THE PEOPLE WHO ATTEND HARBOUR ISLAND ATHLETIC CLUB.
19:09:04 WE -- MY FAMILY AND I DO NOT THINK THAT 150-ROOM HOTEL
19:09:07 WILL BENEFIT THE HUNDREDS OF -- OR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
19:09:12 BEHIND THE GATES ON HARBOUR ISLAND WHO ARE HARMFUL TO
19:09:13 THEM.
19:09:16 THE DEVELOPERS PURCHASED A SMALL LOT AND WANT TO
19:09:17 MAXIMIZE HIS INVESTMENT.
19:09:21 I DON'T BLAME HIM FOR THAT; HOWEVER, THE HUNDREDS OF
19:09:25 HOMEOWNERS AND CONDO OWNERS BEHIND THE GATES ALSO WANT
19:09:29 TO MAINTAIN THEIR CURRENT ENTRY GATEWAY AND VISTA AND
19:09:31 MAINTAIN AND MAXIMIZE THEIR INVESTMENT.
19:09:34 I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE COMPATIBLE.
19:09:38 ONCE AGAIN, WE ASK TO YOU VOTE DOWN THIS PROPOSAL.
19:09:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
19:09:40 NEXT SPEAKER.
19:09:42 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
19:09:45 >> MY NAME IS BETH ROTHBARTH.
19:09:49 344 INNER HARBOR CIRCLE.
19:09:51 PREVIOUS TO MOVING TO TAMPA, I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SIX
19:09:52 YEARS.
19:09:54 I LIVE ON HARBOUR ISLAND OBVIOUSLY.
19:09:56 AND I USED TO WORK IN REAL ESTATE.
19:10:00 ECONOMIC FORECASTING, FEASIBILITY STUDIES FOR
19:10:03 DEVELOPERS, INVESTORS, AND ALSO THE GOVERNMENT.
19:10:05 I AM NOT GOING TO BE REDUNDANT.
19:10:08 I AM REALLY GOING TO DISCUSS RIDE SHARES.
19:10:11 BECAUSE THINGS HAVE REALLY CHANGED SINCE AMERICAN
19:10:12 SOCIAL OPENED.
19:10:16 AND THE RIDE SHARES LINING UP TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT
19:10:18 AND DROPPED OFF.
19:10:23 THE UBERS, THE LYFTS, THE TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS
19:10:27 WHENEVER THERE IS ANYTHING MAJOR GOING ON.
19:10:29 THESE DRIVERS DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
19:10:30 THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THERE.
19:10:33 THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO PULL OVER.
19:10:37 THIS HOTEL ON THIS TINY LITTLE POSTAGE STAMP OF A
19:10:41 PROPERTY, WHERE ARE THESE UBERS AND LYFTS GOING TO LINE
19:10:42 UP AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO.
19:10:44 LET'S SAY THEY GET LOST.
19:10:47 I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TWO WEEKENDS AGO OPINION NO HOCKEY
19:10:48 GAME.
19:10:50 MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING GOING ON AT THE CONVENTION
19:10:51 CENTER.
19:10:54 BUT THERE WAS NO HOCKEY TRAFFIC.
19:10:58 AND I COULDN'T MAKE A RIGHT-HAND TURN INTO THE WEST
19:10:58 GATE.
19:11:02 I HAD TO TWICE GO ALL THE WAY AROUND AND GO TO THE EAST
19:11:05 GATE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WAS SO SUBSTANTIAL.
19:11:08 THERE WAS ALSO AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE -- AND I KNOW
19:11:11 SOMEBODY ELSE MENTIONED THAT -- STUCK ON THE BRIDGE
19:11:14 WITH THEIR LIGHTS ON.
19:11:15 NOWHERE TO GO.
19:11:18 AND EVERYONE IS JUST SITTING STILL.
19:11:21 SO I THINK THERE IS A REAL SAFETY ISSUE INVOLVED HERE.
19:11:24 SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION
19:11:26 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
19:11:34 AND VOTE AGAINST IT.
19:11:36 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
19:11:40 RICK MAHARIS AND THE FOUNDER AND OWNER OF AMERICAN BAR
19:11:42 AND KITCHEN IN HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:11:44 I HAVE BEEN A TENANT THERE SINCE 2017.
19:11:48 AND I AM VERY PROUD OF HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS WELCOMED
19:11:52 ME TO JOIN THE HOSPITALITY SECTOR OF DOWNTOWN.
19:11:56 I HAVE PREPARED A FEW WORDS AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON
19:11:59 RECORD TO SPEAK THAT TIME IN FAVOR AND HOPE YOU WILL
19:12:05 CONSIDER APPROVING THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW HOTEL.
19:12:09 THIS BUSINESS AND ITS CLIENTELE THAT THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW
19:12:11 HOTEL WILL BRING TO BOTH HARBOUR ISLAND AND DOWNTOWN
19:12:14 TAMPA WILL BE EXCEPTIONAL FOR ALL OF US AS STATED BY
19:12:18 THE GENTLEMAN SANTIAGO AS IT PERTAIN TO THE TOURIST
19:12:22 INDUSTRY, CONVENTION CENTER AND THE RESTAURANTS, NOT
19:12:25 JUST MYSELF AND JACKSON'S THAT SPOKE BUT A HANDFUL OF
19:12:28 OTHER RESTAURANTS ON THE ISLAND THAT WOULD LOVE
19:12:30 ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC BROUGHT TO THE ISLAND.
19:12:34 AS A TENANT OF THAT ISLAND FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, I
19:12:38 HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND SPEND A
19:12:41 GREAT AMOUNT OF TIME ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:12:43 ASIDE FROM THE HANDFUL OF EVENTS AT THE CONVENTION
19:12:48 CENTER AND THE AMALIE ARENA, VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC IMPACT
19:12:52 THAT HAS BEEN CONTRIBUTED BY MY BUSINESS [BOOING]
19:12:56 -- [GAVEL SOUNDING]
19:12:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:13:00 DON'T -- DON'T ENTICE, JUST SPEAK TO US.
19:13:03 >> SPEAKING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
19:13:07 I AM AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE
19:13:09 COMMUNITY AND THE LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT SERVICE OUR
19:13:10 COMMUNITY.
19:13:12 I TRULY BELIEVE THAT PROJECT WILL ADD BOTH PROJECTS TO
19:13:15 HARBOUR ISLAND AND SERVICE THIS COMMUNITY AND HARBOUR
19:13:19 ISLAND IN A PROFESSIONAL AND VALUE-ADDING MANNER.
19:13:23 THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY SERVES US ALL.
19:13:27 AND I HOPE YOU WILL STRONGLY ENCOURAGE SUPPORTING THERE
19:13:27 PROJECT.
19:13:29 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
19:13:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:13:35 >> COUNCIL, MY NAME IS SCOTT HARRISON.
19:13:38 AND I AM A HARBOUR ISLAND RESIDENT, AND I HAVE BEEN
19:13:38 SWORN IN.
19:13:42 I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER LIST THAT TAMPA HAS
19:13:43 MADE.
19:13:48 TAMPA IS IN THE TOP TEN OF PEDESTRIAN, AUTOMOBILE
19:13:50 FATALITIES IN THE COUNTRY.
19:13:54 AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT FATALITIES PER 100,000 PEOPLE,
19:13:56 WE ARE NUMBER 3.
19:14:01 SO I ALSO -- AS MY MOM WILL SAY I USED THE GOOGLE AND
19:14:05 TRIED TO FIND PEDESTRIAN BIKE CRASHES.
19:14:08 I COULDN'T GET SPECIFIC DATA ON TAMPA, BUT TAMPA ST.
19:14:09 PETE IS NUMBER ONE.
19:14:15 AND SO I WOULD ASK YOU IN THAT CONTEXT AS YOU CONSIDER
19:14:19 THIS PROPOSAL, DO YOU WANT TO BE NUMBER ONE.
19:14:22 AND THE OTHER THING SKILL THAT YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT
19:14:27 ONE STORY BANK BUILDING AND 150-ROOM, 160-PARKING SPACE
19:14:30 HOTEL, IF YOU THINK THOSE ARE EQUAL IN TERMS OF THE
19:14:33 TRAFFIC PATTERN, THEN WE ARE WELL ON OUR WAY OF TAKING
19:14:36 THE TOP SPOT IN THIS NOTORIOUS LIST.
19:14:40 AND I WOULD ADD THAT THAT WILL AFFECT TOURISM.
19:14:41 IT WILL AFFECT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
19:14:44 SO THIS ISN'T JUST A SAFETY ISSUE.
19:14:53 THANK YOU.
19:14:56 >> ANDREI NIANTCOTEN.
19:15:00 1167 -- AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
19:15:03 I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT MYSELF -- OR REPEAT THE OTHER
19:15:06 NOTIONS AND TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED.
19:15:08 BUT HERE ARE SOME THINGS FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
19:15:12 I DON'T HAVE A SET AGENDA OF ANY KIND, BUT IF YOU WERE
19:15:15 TRYING TO MAKE TAMPA A BETTER PLACE, YOU HAVE AN EMPTY
19:15:15 LOT.
19:15:19 LOOK AT THE CORNER OF FRANKLIN AND CHANNELSIDE.
19:15:21 THAT LOT IS EMPTY.
19:15:24 YOU CAN TAKE THE PAVILION.
19:15:29 JOB OBJECTED TO THE JW MARRIOTT AND THE EPICURION AND
19:15:31 HYATT IN YBOR.
19:15:34 THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE HERE IS A LITMUS TEST THAT
19:15:35 SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.
19:15:37 IT IS JUST -- THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD SUCH A
19:15:42 RESISTANCE FROM SUCH A LARGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.
19:15:44 SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.
19:15:48 THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT HERE FOR NO REASON, OBVIOUSLY.
19:15:50 SO I HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE LONG ENOUGH TO REMIND YOU
19:15:54 THAT THE GATES WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED RIGHT NOW, THIS
19:15:57 IS NOT REALLY WHAT IS CONSIDERED SOUTH OF THE GATES.
19:16:00 GATES WERE ALMOST AT THE FOUR-WAY STOP SIGN.
19:16:05 IT WASN'T UNTIL 96 OR '97 THAT THESE GATES WERE PUSHED
19:16:08 BACK BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WERE HAPPENING
19:16:09 ALL THE TIME.
19:16:14 AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO PUSH BACK BEYOND THAT.
19:16:17 WHEN -- BEFORE THESE HIGH-RISES EXISTED OVER THERE WITH
19:16:20 THE LITTLE DAILY PLACE BY THE WATERSIDE, ALL THAT
19:16:21 STUFF IS GONE.
19:16:24 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO PUSH BACK
19:16:25 ANY LONGER.
19:16:30 AND FOR THOSE OF HOW ARE BELIEVERS OF INDIANA SEND ITED
19:16:34 CONSEQUENCES, I WILL TELL THAT YOU I MAY BE THE
19:16:35 DOOMSDAY GUY.
19:16:39 20 YEARS FROM NOW, IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
19:16:43 THIS WILL TURN OUT TO BE THE TROJAN HORSE THAT SET THE
19:16:47 INITIAL PRECEDENCE WHEN THE ATHLETIC CLUB WANTS TO
19:16:49 BUILD A 20-STORY HIGH-RISE.
19:16:52 THIS WILL BE USE AS A PRECEDENT TO SAY, WELL, WE
19:16:53 ALLOWED THIS THING.
19:16:57 WE WILL KEEN ALLOWING MORE AND MORE OF THIS TO HAPPEN.
19:17:02 SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH GENERAL OR ROMAN EMPEROR SAID A
19:17:07 WELL ORGANIZED MINORITY WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL ABOVE A --
19:17:09 ABOVE AN UNORGANIZED MAJORITY.
19:17:12 YOU SEE HOW ORGANIZED AND FUNDED THESE PEOPLE ARE.
19:17:15 WE BROUGHT -- WE BROUGHT SOME CRONIES HERE AND GUYS OF
19:17:17 INDEPENDENT OPINIONS.
19:17:21 THEY ARE EXTREMELY ORGANIZED.
19:17:25 I GUESS IF I AM A COUNCILMAN AND HAVING DRINKS WITH MY
19:17:29 FAMILY TONIGHT, I CAN SEE IT AS, HEY, A GROUP OF RICH
19:17:31 PEOPLE AGAINST ANOTHER GROUP OF RICH PEOPLE HERE, BUT
19:17:35 FOR THE LIFE OF ME, LET'S NOT ALLOW A WELL ORGANIZED
19:17:37 MINORITY TO PREVAIL HERE.
19:17:38 THANK YOU.
19:17:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:17:45 >> GOOD EVENING.
19:17:48 I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN COME UP ON THE SCREEN OR NOT.
19:17:52 I AM MIKE GRATZ.
19:17:55 I LIVE WITH ON HARBOR BAY DRIVE.
19:17:57 A RESIDENT OF HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:18:00 THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF HARBOUR ISLAND COMMUNITY
19:18:06 SERVICES O, REFERRED WHO AS HICSA.
19:18:08 I'M HERE TO SET THE RECORD FREIGHT WHAT IS THE CALL OF
19:18:10 MIXED USE HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:18:14 WHEN YOU TAKE THE HARBOUR ISLAND FROM KNIGHT'S RUN TO
19:18:18 KNIGHT'S RUN, FROM HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD TO
19:18:22 BENEFICIAL, WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO FIND OUT IS THAT
19:18:28 THERE ARE 1900 HOMEOWNERS, BOTH IN THE NORTH AND SOUTH
19:18:35 NEIGHBORHOOD AND 1100 OF THE -- OF THE APARTMENT
19:18:37 COMMUNITY DWELLING MEMBERS.
19:18:42 SO BASICALLY 3,000 RESIDENCES ARE THERE.
19:18:45 WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT N TOTAL OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE
19:18:51 WHAT IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL WHICH IS THE 2 HARBOR
19:18:54 PLACE AND THE CURRENT LIBERTY BUILDING, YOU ARE LOOKING
19:18:58 AT LESS THAN 5% OF THE TOTAL PROPERTY IN WHAT WE WOULD
19:19:01 CALL THE RESIDENTIAL CORE OF HARBOUR ISLAND BETWEEN
19:19:05 KNIGHT'S RUN AND THE BENEFICIAL AND HARBOUR ISLAND
19:19:09 BOULEVARD ON KNIGHT'S RUN, THAT IS THE CORE OF THE
19:19:12 RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF HARBOUR ISLAND AND 95%
19:19:15 RESIDENTIAL, LESS THAN 5% COMMERCIAL.
19:19:19 SO WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS TO PUT A LARGE PIECE OF
19:19:21 COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF A MOSTLY
19:19:27 RESIDENTIAL DRILLING AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY
19:19:27 SENSE.
19:19:31 WHEN YOU TALK OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES, THEY ARE NORTH
19:19:34 WHERE THE WESTIN IS AND THE OTHER HOTELS.
19:19:36 THEY ARE NOT IN THE CORE PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL
19:19:38 COMMUNITY OF HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:19:41 AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
19:19:44 THIS WERE GOING ON THE NORTH END WHERE JACKSON IS.
19:19:49 IF THEY WANT JACKSON TO RAISE IT, THAT IS NOT A
19:19:50 PROBLEM.
19:19:54 BUT THIS IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IMPACTING THE
19:19:54 RESIDENTS.
19:19:57 AND HOPE YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
19:20:00 THE OTHER THING ON THE MARRIOTT WEB SITE WHICH I AM A
19:20:03 HOTEL DEVELOPER AND OWNER AND I OWN CURRENTLY TWO
19:20:05 MARRIOTTS.
19:20:09 THAT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THIS HOTEL IS CALLED
19:20:13 BOUTIQUE REALLY RESIDES, IT RESIDES IN A SELECT AREA.
19:20:16 IT IS NOT A LUXURY HOTEL.
19:20:18 NOT A MEDIUM HOTEL.
19:20:22 IT IS WITH THE FAIRFIELD AND WITH THE COURTYARD.
19:20:26 AND, AGAIN, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE THE AMENITIES OF A
19:20:28 BOUTIQUE HOTEL.
19:20:31 IT WILL BRING BUSINESS TRANSIENT TRAFFIC INTO A
19:20:34 RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND I SHOWED YOU THE LEVEL OF THE
19:20:35 RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IT IS.
19:20:38 I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR TIME AND HEARING YOU TONIGHT AND
19:20:41 HOPE YOU WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS PROPOSED HOTEL ON
19:20:42 HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:20:45 THANK YOU.
19:20:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:20:51 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
19:20:54 MY NAME IS NATHAN HAGAN.
19:20:55 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
19:20:58 FIRST -- MY FIRST THING IS THE QUESTION -- I AM
19:20:59 IGNORANT.
19:21:02 IF THERE IS NO WAIVERS, WHY THIS A PD?
19:21:03 I AM IGNORE RANT.
19:21:08 IS THERE AN ANSWER?
19:21:10 WELL I WILL CONTINUE, BUT I AM INTERESTED TO KNOW THAT,
19:21:12 BECAUSE THIS IS A PROCESS THING.
19:21:15 I'M HERE NOT BECAUSE I CARE PARTICULARLY ABOUT A HOTEL.
19:21:18 THAT DIDN'T HOUSING AND I AM FOCUSED ON HOUSING.
19:21:22 I AM SEEING A CONSISTENT PATTERN OF OPPOSITION --
19:21:25 OPPOSITION TO OUR -- OF HOW WE PLANNED OUR CITY.
19:21:27 PEOPLE SAYING I DON'T LIKE HOW WE PLANNED OUR CITY.
19:21:29 MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T PARTICULARLY LIKE HOW WE
19:21:31 PLANNED OUR CITY.
19:21:33 BUT OUR CITY CHOSE THIS.
19:21:36 OUR CITY COUNCIL VOTED FOR THIS COMP PLAN.
19:21:40 YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS AGO IN 2016.
19:21:43 THAT SHOULD COUNT FOR SOMETHING, BECAUSE AS --
19:21:46 GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE VOTING AGAINST PDS
19:21:51 THAT DON'T REQUIRE ANY WAIVERS, THAT MATCH THE COMP
19:21:54 PLAN, WE ARE VOTING AGAINST OUR COMP PLAN, IN MY
19:21:54 OPINION.
19:21:57 A CITY COUNCIL THAT IS HOSTILE TO ITS OWN CITY'S COMP
19:22:00 PLAN, TO ME, IS A CITY COUNCIL THAT IS HOSTILE TO
19:22:01 HOUSING.
19:22:08 THAT ES WHO TOIL OVER OTHER -- HOST TILL TO OTHER
19:22:10 OBJECTIVE OF THE COMP PLAN.
19:22:13 EVERYTHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING ARE LEGITIMATE
19:22:16 AND SHOULD BE VALIDATED, BUT THE STILL DECIDED ALREADY
19:22:20 THAT HARBOUR ISLAND HAS A PUMP.
19:22:22 AND WE CAN CHANGE THAT IN THE COMP PLAN THIS YEAR.
19:22:27 IF WE WANT TO DOWN ZONE ALL OF HARBOUR ISLAND, ONE OF
19:22:29 THE MOST CENTRAL URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, WE CAN HAVE THAT
19:22:32 CONVERSATION AND 2016, CITY COUNCIL VOTED FOR A COMP
19:22:36 PLAN OF HARBOUR ISLAND WAS A MIXED USE, HIGH INTENSITY
19:22:38 DEVELOPMENT IN OUR URBAN CORE AND CITY COUNCIL IS
19:22:42 WILLING TO TAKE -- WALK THAT BACK ARBITRARILY EVERY
19:22:47 THURSDAY, PARCEL BY PARCEL, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A FUNK
19:22:48 ISAL CITY GOVERNMENT.
19:22:52 I HOPE WE WILL NOT DO THAT AND NOT THIS CASE BUT ALL
19:22:53 CASES.
19:22:55 THANK YOU FOR LISTENING THANK YOU.
19:22:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN CITY COUNCIL
19:22:58 ATTORNEY.
19:23:01 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THIS IS A PD OR HOW
19:23:04 TO RELATES TO THE COMP PLAN AND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT
19:23:09 PATTERN IS SUPPOSED TO BE, AND WHAT YOUR CRITERIA IS,
19:23:12 MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE TO ASK
19:23:13 THOSE QUESTIONS.
19:23:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:23:22 >> HI, JIMMY CLARK, 6516 BISCAYNE.
19:23:23 I WAS FAMOUS EARLIER AT THIS.
19:23:26 I NEVER HAVE BEEN TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
19:23:28 PROBABLY WILL NEVER COME TO ANOTHER ONE.
19:23:30 SO I APOLOGIZE.
19:23:33 I MET PEOPLE VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT
19:23:35 GENERALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS STUFF.
19:23:37 YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB.
19:23:40 PART OF THE REASON I'M HERE IS ACTUALLY -- YOU KNOW, I
19:23:43 THINK PART -- THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.
19:23:46 I SEE EVERYBODY TALKING OF THE HYATT AND THE ISSUE, BUT
19:23:50 THE PICTURE I SEE IS A DISCREPE BID OLD BUILDING AND
19:23:53 OVERTIME, THAT GO GET WORSE.
19:23:57 AT SOME TIME THAT WILL NEED TO BE DEVELOPED -- IN MY
19:24:01 BUSINESS, I AM AN -- IN THE INSURANCE BUSINESS, $20
19:24:02 BILLION OF INSURANCE.
19:24:04 I AM CONSIDERED TO BE ONE OF THE TOP IN THE COUNTRY.
19:24:09 I WORK WITH A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS NATIONWIDE.
19:24:12 WHAT WE HAVE AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT -- I THINK
19:24:14 PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE IS SOMEBODY WHO IS LOCAL AND
19:24:15 INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
19:24:19 YOU GUYS MAY NOT REMEMBER THE RECEPTION, BUT IN 2014, A
19:24:22 MARRIOTT HOTEL AND A LOFT OPENED.
19:24:27 A DEVELOPER TOOK $20 MILLION OF HIS OWN MONEY.
19:24:31 NOBODY THOUGHT THAT A HOTEL COULD EVEN BE SUPPORTED IN
19:24:33 DOWNTOWN TAMPA IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION.
19:24:38 TOOK A DECREPID OLD BUILDING.
19:24:43 GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED, ELEVATORS DIDN'T WORK.
19:24:46 A TAMPA BAY ARTICLE ABOUT IT AND OPENED IT AND IT WAS
19:24:48 SUCCESSFUL.
19:24:51 FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, TAMPA TOOK OFF.
19:24:54 ANOTHER HOTEL IN CHANNELSIDE THAT PERFECTLY FIT THE
19:24:54 AREA.
19:24:56 YOU ARE TALKING OF A GROUP THAT LIVES ON HARBOUR
19:24:57 ISLAND.
19:25:00 FAMILY LIVES ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:25:02 WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER TRAFFIC ISSUES WE ARE
19:25:05 TALKING ABOUT AND IS PERSONALLY INVESTED, PERSONALLY
19:25:10 INVESTED IN WHAT HE IS PUTTING IN THE GROUNDS BECAUSE
19:25:13 HE HAS TO LOOK AT IT AND TALK TO HIS KIDS ABOUT IT AND
19:25:17 SAYS IT MINE VERSUS THE RELATED GROUP OR WHOEVER ELSE
19:25:18 COMES IN.
19:25:22 THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO LOWER THE BUILDING TO
19:25:25 APIECE THE HOME BUILDERS -- THE HOME -- APPEASE THE
19:25:26 HOMEOWNERS.
19:25:29 THEY WILL TRY TO GET THE MAXIMUM VALUE OF LAND VERSUS
19:25:31 BUILDING SOMETHING THAT REALLY HELPS TAMPA.
19:25:33 AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY.
19:25:35 SOMETHING THINK THAT KNOW THAT THE LIBERTY GROUP IS
19:25:36 PROUD OF.
19:25:38 SOMETHING THINK THAT SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON HARBOUR
19:25:38 ISLAND.
19:25:40 SOMETHING I WOULD BE PROUD OF.
19:25:45 AND I HAVE CLIENTS IN INSURANCE, UNDERWRITERS FROM ALL
19:25:48 AROUND THE WORLD FLY IN TO SEE ME AND ALL THEY COMPLAIN
19:25:51 ABOUT IS THEY CAN'T FIND HOTELS AND THEY DON'T FIND --
19:25:54 THERE ARE BASICALLY TWO OR THREE GOOD NEW HOTELS.
19:25:56 I THINK WE HAVE GOT A FOURTH DOWNTOWN.
19:25:58 AND THEY STAY ON WESTSHORE.
19:26:02 SO -- [GAVEL SOUNDING]
19:26:07 >> THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR YOUR TIME.
19:26:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME.
19:26:08 EXCUSE ME.
19:26:09 PLEASE.
19:26:14 I UNDERSTAND, BUT PLEASE.
19:26:16 LET'S CONTROL OURSELVES.
19:26:17 THANK YOU, SIR.
19:26:22 THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
19:26:22 >> HELLO.
19:26:23 CHARLIE TOBIN.
19:26:26 I DON'T THINK I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
19:26:29 I AM NOT SURE, BUT I LIVE AT --
19:26:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WAIT A SECOND.
19:26:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYBODY ELSE COME UP WHO HASN'T BEEN
19:26:37 SWORN IN.
19:26:39 [SWEARING IN]
19:26:41 >> I DO.
19:26:42 IS THAT SWEARING IN.
19:26:44 OKAY, COOL, AWESOME.
19:26:46 1114 ABBEYS WAY.
19:26:49 AND I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE I HAVE AN OUTLOOK
19:26:52 ON THIS ISSUE THAT NO ONE ELSE DOES.
19:26:55 I HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO GO TO FLORIDA STATE FOR THE
19:26:58 PAST FOUR YEARS AND EVERY TIME -- AND I JUST RECENTLY
19:26:59 GRADUATED.
19:27:03 EVERY TIME I COME BACK FOR HOLIDAYS, THREE, SIX MONTHS,
19:27:04 I AM LIKE WOW.
19:27:06 A GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING.
19:27:09 DOWNTOWN TAMPA GETS BIGGER AND TRAFFIC GETS WORSE.
19:27:12 TAKES ON AVERAGE -- USED TO TAKE WHEN I WAS IN HIGH
19:27:15 SCHOOL ABOUT SIX MINUTES TO GET FROM DOWNTOWN TAMPA ON
19:27:16 THE HIGHWAY TO MY HOUSE.
19:27:18 TAKES ABOUT 15 NOW.
19:27:21 ESPECIALLY WITH A LIGHTNING GAME, MAKE ABOUT AN HOUR.
19:27:24 AND EVERY TIME, I AM LIKE, WOW, DOWNTOWN TAMPA IS GETTING
19:27:26 MORR HECTIC.
19:27:27 WHAT WILL THIS HOTEL BRING.
19:27:30 I DIDN'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
19:27:33 CAME TO SUPPORT MY COMMUNITY, BUT AFTER HEARING
19:27:37 EVERYONE SPEAK OF HOW PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS HOTEL NOT
19:27:39 BEING BUILT, I HAVE TO AGREE.
19:27:42 MORE LIKE -- WHAT IS THE SAYING, IF YOU TAKE AN INCH,
19:27:43 YOU GET A MILE.
19:27:47 IT SEEMS THAT IF THIS HOTEL WILL JUST BE THE BEGINNING.
19:27:50 AND THAT IT WILL BECOME A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL ON THAT
19:27:51 SIDE OF TAMPA.
19:27:54 AND ON THAT SIDE OF HARBOUR ISLAND WHICH WILL NOT BE
19:27:55 GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
19:27:58 IT WILL NOT BE GOOD WHERE I GREW UP IN MY 23 YEARS OF
19:28:01 LIFE, THE WHOLE TIME ON HARBOUR ISLAND AND I DON'T
19:28:03 THINK ANYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WANTS THIS HOTEL.
19:28:05 THANK YOU.
19:28:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:28:11 IS THERE ANYONE ELSE --
19:28:14 >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION --
19:28:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN, MA'AM.
19:28:17 YOU HAD YOUR TIME.
19:28:19 I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU HAD YOUR TIME.
19:28:22 ANYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT WANTS TO
19:28:29 SPEAK THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY SPOKEN?
19:28:34 ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR DOWN AT THE VISCOTI
19:28:35 ROOM.
19:28:41 >> YES.
19:28:42 YES.
19:28:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU ONLINE OR IN THE BUILDING.
19:28:47 >> WE ARE ONLINE.
19:28:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF
19:28:51 UNTIL YOU ARE CALLED ON.
19:28:52 THANK YOU.
19:28:58 ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE NOW.
19:29:06 THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE IS MR. ED WILLIAMS.
19:29:16 MR. WILLIAMS, ARE YOU THERE?
19:29:18 I DON'T SEE MR. WILLIAMS THERE.
19:29:24 THEN LET'S GO TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE NOW.
19:29:27 MR. PETER BRUNDI.
19:29:34 ARE YOU THERE?
19:29:39 YES, I AM SEEING THEM RIGHT NOW AND I ASKED MR. PETER
19:29:41 BRUNDI.
19:29:44 BUT MR. BRUNDI, I NEED TO SEE YOUR FACE.
19:29:45 >> HERE I AM.
19:29:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:29:46 >> THANK YOU.
19:29:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE MORE TIME, CONSISTENT HEAR YOU.
19:29:52 SWEAR HIM IN.
19:29:54 EVERYBODY THAT I SEE ON THE SCREEN,
19:29:57 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN.
19:30:01 [SWEARING IN]
19:30:01 >> YES.
19:30:04 >> YES, WE DO.
19:30:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:30:12 >> ARE YOU READY FOR ME?
19:30:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR, I AM, PLEASE.
19:30:14 >> OKAY.
19:30:16 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
19:30:20 COUNCILMEMBER, MY NAME IS PETER BRUNDI.
19:30:21 I AM AN ATTORNEY.
19:30:25 I MOVED WITH MY WIFE AND OUR NEWBORN SON TO HARBOUR
19:30:29 ISLAND 33 YEARS AGO.
19:30:34 WE HAVE ENJOYED A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS GROWN AND
19:30:39 DEVELOPED AND THAT NOW HOUSES SOME OF THE BEST PEOPLE
19:30:43 AND MINDS, CIVIC LEADERS, ETC. IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
19:30:50 ALL OF WHOM ARE AGAINST THIS HOTEL BEING DEVELOPED.
19:30:54 NOT ONE RESIDENT THAT I CAN RECALL TONIGHT ON HARBOUR
19:31:01 ISLAND HAS SPOKEN THAT IT IS A POSITIVE MOVE.
19:31:02 THERE IS SO MUCH TO SAY.
19:31:04 AND I KNOW I HAVE LIMITED TIME, SO I WILL JUST GO TO
19:31:05 ONE POINT.
19:31:09 THE POINT THAT -- THE WHITE ELEPHANT IN THIS WHOLE
19:31:13 THING IS THE FACT THAT HOTELS MAKE MOST OF THEIR MONEY
19:31:16 ON ALCOHOL.
19:31:21 NONE OF THE HIGH-RISES -- NONE OF THE HIGH-RISES ON
19:31:23 HARBOUR ISLAND SELL ALCOHOL.
19:31:27 THEY ARE EITHER CONDOS OR RENTAL BUILDINGS.
19:31:30 WE HAVE A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS TO DO.
19:31:32 AND THAT'S NORMAL.
19:31:36 THIS IS GOING TO BE A HIGH-RISE THAT TRIES TO MAXIMIZE
19:31:41 THEIR PROFITS ON ALCOHOL AS ALL HOTELS DO.
19:31:45 IF YOU ASK ANY OF THESE HOTEL SPEAKERS AND IF THERE ARE
19:31:48 HONEST ABOUT IT, THEY WILL ADMIT IT.
19:31:50 THEY MAKE THE MOST PROFIT ON ALCOHOL.
19:31:55 THEY EVEN SHOWED THAT -- THAT LEVEL OF SEVERAL STORIES
19:31:58 UP WHERE THEY WILL HAVE AN OUTDOOR CAFE THAT WILL SERVE
19:31:59 ALCOHOL.
19:32:03 SO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A HOTEL WHERE WILD PEOPLE,
19:32:05 SOME OF THEM, ARE WILD.
19:32:10 COMING IN TO SEE LIGHTNING GAMES OR HOCKEY -- OR OTHER
19:32:12 FACILITY -- OTHER EVENTS.
19:32:14 THEY ARE GOING TO INVITE FRIENDS OVER.
19:32:17 THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE BARS OPEN IN THE HOTEL AND
19:32:19 EVERYBODY WILL BE DRINKING.
19:32:22 AND SOME OF THEM WILL FEEL IT IS TOO FAR FROM THERE TO
19:32:24 WALK TO DOWNTOWN TO SOME OF THESE EVENTS, SO THEY ARE
19:32:27 GOING TO DRIVE.
19:32:31 AND WE WILL HAVE DRUNK DRIVERS ON A RESIDENTIAL AREA OF
19:32:33 HARBOUR ISLAND WHERE WE HAVE CHILDREN WAITING FOR
19:32:35 BUSES.
19:32:40 WHERE WE HAVE MOTHERS TAKING THEIR CHILDREN ACROSS
19:32:43 AREAS TO GET TO SCHOOL.
19:32:47 WHERE LATER IN THE DAY, WE HAVE PEOPLE WALKING DOGS.
19:32:51 AND THEY WILL EVEN ALLOW DOGS AND THEY WON'T CONFORM TO
19:32:56 PICKING UP THEIR POOP LIKE ALL HOTEL RESIDENTS DO.
19:32:58 IT IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER.
19:33:01 BUT THE WORST PART OF THIS IS THE ALCOHOL.
19:33:07 YOU ARE GOING TO ENLIST AND ENABLE A 12-STORY FACILITY
19:33:10 TO SELL ALCOHOL TO PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING IN OUR
19:33:13 NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENDANGERING OUR CITIZENS.
19:33:18 THIS CANNOT STAND.
19:33:21 I WORK WITH MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVERS AND THIS
19:33:22 CANNOT STAND.
19:33:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR, THANK YOU VERY
19:33:24 MUCH.
19:33:28 MR. CARDONA.
19:33:29 >> HI, EVERYONE.
19:33:33 MY NAME IS JIRO CARDONA.
19:33:37 TAMPA RESIDENT FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
19:33:40 POST HARBOUR ISLAND RESIDENT FOR THE LAST SEVEN.
19:33:44 A COMMERCIAL BANKER IN TAMPA BAY FOR 14 YEARS AND MOST
19:33:47 RECENTLY STARTED MY OWN COMPANY RIGHT THERE ON HARBOUR
19:33:49 ISLAND.
19:33:53 IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN OVER
19:33:56 HALF A BILLION IN LENDING IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT
19:34:00 IS MULTIFAMILY, PHARMACIST NEXT DOOR, SOMEBODY OPENING
19:34:02 A START-UP CALF PAY.
19:34:06 I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
19:34:09 YOU KNOW, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND
19:34:10 SAFETY.
19:34:12 AS IF THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BUILT IN THE MIDDLE
19:34:16 OF A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE PROJECT DOES NOT FIT.
19:34:21 BUT THE REALITY IS THAT HARBOUR ISLAND IS IN DOWNTOWN
19:34:27 TAMPA, BACK FROM OUR CUP CHAMPIONS TAMPA LIGHTNING.
19:34:30 I AM A SEASON TICKET HOLDER.
19:34:35 THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT I NEEDED TO BE HERE TODAY.
19:34:39 RESIDE BEHIND THEIR GATED COMMUNITY THEY ARE NOT IMMUNE
19:34:42 TO URBAN LIVING EVERYBODY ELSE WHO LIVES IN DOWNTOWN
19:34:43 TAMPA EXPERIENCES.
19:34:46 THEY HAVE THE PREROGATIVE TO MANAGE ALL THE ISSUES THAT
19:34:48 AFFECT THEM BEHIND THEIR GATES, BUT THE MERE PRESENCE
19:34:51 DOES NOT EXTEND THE PEROGATIVE OF THE REST OF DOWNTOWN
19:34:53 TAMPA.
19:34:57 THE TOURISM WHICH IS THE MAIN ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE
19:35:00 CITY AS A SAFETY ISSUE THAT THOSE IN THE GATES OF
19:35:01 HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:35:06 MISGUIDED TO SAY THIS HOTEL WHO PUT DOWN OVERALL HOTEL
19:35:09 ROOMS AND REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT
19:35:14 LEAD TO TRAFFIC JAMS ENTERING AND EXIT THEIR OWN GATED
19:35:15 COMMUNITIES.
19:35:19 GATES CREATE A PERMANENT DEMARCATION BETWEEN THE
19:35:21 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
19:35:26 IF YOU LOOK AT.MAP, HUNDREDS OF FIGHTS AWAY FROM THE
19:35:28 SITE OF THE HOTEL.
19:35:30 HARBOR ISLAND WILL BENEFIT WITH THE AMENITIES
19:35:32 ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOTEL.
19:35:36 AC MARRIOTT WILL PROVIDE OUR COMMUNITY WITH A GATHERING
19:35:38 PLACE IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTERISTICS OF HARBOUR
19:35:38 ISLAND.
19:35:41 I LOOK FORWARD TO GOING TO THE RESTAURANT AND THE BAR
19:35:44 IN THE HOTEL AND I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE
19:35:46 IMMEDIATE MEETING SPACE.
19:35:48 I DO IT ALL THE TIME FOR MY BUSINESS.
19:35:50 THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS TAKEN TIME LISTEN TO THE
19:35:52 CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE SIGNIFICANT
19:35:56 CHANGES TO THE PROJECT THAT WAS REQUESTED BY MEMBERS OF
19:35:57 THE COMMUNITY MY SIEVE INCLUDED.
19:35:58 I APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS.
19:36:02 AND THIS PROJECT WILL ADD TO THE CHARM OF HARBOUR
19:36:04 ISLAND AND I ASK EVERYONE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
19:36:05 I THINK IT IS VERY GOOD.
19:36:06 I AM IN FAVOR OF IT.
19:36:10 I USED TO GO TO THAT SUNTRUST A LONG TIME AGO.
19:36:16 I REMEMBER A LONG TIME BUILDINGS WEREN'T THERE AND A
19:36:19 LOT OF PEOPLE OPPOSED AND LOOK HOW MUCH HAS COME FROM
19:36:20 THAT.
19:36:21 TIME IN FAVOR.
19:36:24 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND GO LIGHTNING.
19:36:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
19:36:33 MR. SPONSLER.
19:36:37 >> I'M JIM SPONSLER.
19:36:40 I LIVE IN CENTRAL FLORIDA.
19:36:43 FORTUNATE TO BE REPRESENTED BY MANY OF OUR HOTEL BRANDS
19:36:45 THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
19:36:49 AND I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME
19:36:52 PERSPECTIVE OF THIS PARTICULAR IMPORTANT HOTEL BRAND
19:36:55 FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
19:36:58 SO UNLIKE OUR LARGE FULL-SERVICE OR CONVENTION FOCUSED
19:37:04 HOTELS, THE AC HOTEL BRAND IS AN UPSCALE LIFETIME HOTEL
19:37:09 WITH AN UNIQUE CUSTOM DESIGN FOR EACH LOCATION.
19:37:12 AC HOTEL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY OR THROUGHOUT THE
19:37:13 WORLD, EACH ONE IS DIFFERENT.
19:37:17 THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT A LIFESTYLE BOUTIQUE HOTEL VERSUS
19:37:19 A BRAND.
19:37:23 AND AS AN EXPERT ON THE BRAND, ONE OF THE CORE BRAND
19:37:27 PRINCIPLES IS, IN FACT, ACTIVATED IN THE PUBLIC SPACE
19:37:28 INTEGRATE WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
19:37:32 NOW THAT, AGAIN, MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS IN DIFFERENT
19:37:32 TYPES OF COMMUNITIES.
19:37:35 I ALSO JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO CONFIRM THAT
19:37:38 LOCALLY BASED DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT IS WORKING
19:37:42 WITH MARRIOTT TO DESIGN A CUSTOM HOTEL THAT WILL FIT
19:37:44 INTO THE FABRIC OF THE HARBOUR ISLAND COMMUNITY WITH
19:37:47 BOTH DESIGN AND SCALE OF THE PROPERTY.
19:37:51 NOW MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN A DEVELOPER BUILDS SOMETHING
19:37:55 IN THEIR OWN BACK YARD, THEY ARE SINCERELY COMMITTED TO
19:37:56 THIS PRIORITY.
19:38:00 NOW WHILE THERE MAY BE SOME COMPRESSION OF GUEST DEMAND
19:38:04 FOR LARGE CITY EVENTS, THIS HOTEL IS DESIGNED TO
19:38:07 ATTRACT UPSCALE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE SEEKING A LIFESTYLE
19:38:08 HOTEL EXPERIENCE.
19:38:12 THE PUBLIC SPACE IS ALSO DESIGNED TO BE A GATHERING
19:38:13 PLACE.
19:38:16 IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE FOR THE HARBOUR ISLAND
19:38:19 COMMUNITY AND FRIEND THAT TRAVEL TO TAMPA.
19:38:23 I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY COMMENTS.
19:38:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
19:38:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, IF
19:38:35 I MAY, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
19:38:37 ANOTHER REMINDER AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT
19:38:42 THE DECISION IS NOT BASED ON THE BRANDS OR ANYTHING
19:38:47 SURROUNDING THE MARKETING OF IT OR WHOEVER -- IT IS
19:38:47 DESCRIBED.
19:38:52 BUT THE CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IN THE STAFF
19:38:55 REPORT THAT YOU APPLY THE FACTS AS YOU BELIEVE THEM TO
19:38:57 BE IS WHAT YOU MUST BASE YOUR DECISION ON,
19:38:59 COMPREHENSIVE TENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT IS IN THE
19:39:00 RECORD.
19:39:02 THANK YOU.
19:39:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:39:06 MR. WILLIAMS.
19:39:09 MR. ED WILLIAMS, ARE YOU THERE?
19:39:18 AND IF YOU ARE, YOU NEED TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.
19:39:23 MR. WILLIAMS?
19:39:25 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WILLIAMS.
19:39:27 ANDY GOLD.
19:39:28 MR. GOLD.
19:39:37 ARE YOU ON A CELL PHONE OR ARE YOU ON YOUR COMPUTER?
19:39:40 MR. GOLD?
19:39:41 THANK YOU, MR. GOLD.
19:39:47 DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THESE AGENDA ITEMS
19:39:50 THAT ARE LOGGED ON?
19:39:53 >>CLERK: THAT WILL CONCLUDE THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
19:39:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE SECOND
19:40:01 FLOOR OR IN THE VISCOTI ROOM?
19:40:06 THANK YOU.
19:40:11 MISS WELLS.
19:40:13 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU, CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
19:40:16 I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING BEFORE THE APPLICANT IS
19:40:20 ALLOWED REBUTTAL IN THE EVENT THEY WANT TO RESPOND TO
19:40:22 THIS, IN THE PRESENTATION IT WAS OFFERED UP THAT
19:40:25 PARKING AT THIS LOCATION WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO THE
19:40:28 PUBLIC AND THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO INCLUDE THAT AS A
19:40:31 NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
19:40:34 COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD THE CITY SAY THAT
19:40:37 CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS
19:40:40 ESTABLISHMENT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS OF ZONING
19:40:41 APPROVAL.
19:40:44 BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE BY THE CITY.
19:40:47 SO WHILE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS,
19:40:50 THAT IS NOT A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THE CITY WOULD
19:40:50 SUPPORT.
19:40:53 AS WE WOULD NOT -- THE CITY WOULD NOT BE IN A POSITION
19:40:55 TO ENFORCE IT.
19:40:56 THANK YOU.
19:40:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:40:59 MISS MALONE, ARE YOU THERE?
19:41:03 YOU STATED YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE.
19:41:05 CAN YOU COME BACK ON?
19:41:06 THANK YOU, MISS MALONE.
19:41:07 >>JENNIFER MALONE: I'M HERE.
19:41:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: TWO QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED TO YOU.
19:41:14 >>JENNIFER MALONE: YES.
19:41:17 LITTLE ADDRESS THE FIRST -- THE -- I BELIEVE THE FIRST
19:41:20 QUESTION WAS IF THERE IS A POLICY IN THE PLAN THAT
19:41:25 ADDRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND AND IMPACTS
19:41:28 TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DURING CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
19:41:31 DID I GET THAT CORRECT?
19:41:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:41:35 >>JENNIFER MALONE: YES, OKAY.
19:41:38 THE CLOSEST THING I FOUND IN THE COMMERCIAL SECTION OF
19:41:40 THE PLAN WAS A POLICY RELATED TO WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED
19:41:47 DURING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO MINIMIZE RESIDENTIAL
19:41:53 IMPACTS WITH -- RE-ORIENTING CURB CUTS AND SUCH, SO I
19:41:55 DO NOT THINK IT WOULD APPLY.
19:41:58 I DID READ THROUGH MOST OF THE PLAN IN THAT HOWEVER
19:42:02 LONG IT WAS, AND I DID NOT FIND A POLICY THAT I FEET
19:42:05 WAS APPLICABLE TO YOUR QUESTION.
19:42:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
19:42:08 COUNCILMAN VIERA?
19:42:13 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
19:42:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE NEXT QUESTION.
19:42:16 >>JENNIFER MALONE: YES.
19:42:21 ABOUT THE PLANNING OF HARBOUR ISLAND AND IF -- IF THIS
19:42:25 WAS -- YOU WERE WONDERING IF IT WAS A PLAN THAT SOUTH
19:42:27 OF THIS STREET WILL BE RESIDENTIAL.
19:42:30 BEFORE I LEFT THE OFFICE TODAY, I ACTUALLY DID CHECK
19:42:30 THE LIBRARY.
19:42:34 AND I TALKED TO OUR LIBRARIAN.
19:42:36 THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEVER DID ANY SORT OF COMMUNITY
19:42:39 PLAN FOR HARBOUR ISLAND, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF THAT
19:42:43 PLANS WAS DONE THROUGH THE DRI AND THE PDS.
19:42:46 I WILL DEFER TO ANNIE BARNES TO ANSWER HOW THOSE
19:42:49 HISTORIC PDS, WHAT IS ON THEM.
19:42:53 AND I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN HER WHEEL
19:42:54 HOUSE.
19:42:58 BUT THERE WERE NO COMMUNITY PLAN DONE THAT I COULD FIND
19:43:00 BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
19:43:02 I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ANNIE.
19:43:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MISS MALONE.
19:43:09 MISS BARNES.
19:43:11 >>ANNIE BARNES: ANNIE BARNES, DEVELOPMENT
19:43:12 COORDINATION.
19:43:15 JUST LOOKING AT THE PDS IN THE AREA SURROUNDING THE
19:43:19 SITE, IT IS BASED UPON THE DENSITY, INTENSITY IS BASED
19:43:21 UPON THE ALLOWABLE USES.
19:43:26 SO IF ALLOWABLE USES OF HIGHER INTENSITY AND COMMERCIAL
19:43:29 USES IN THE SURROUNDING PDS, THAT IS WHY IT WAS
19:43:32 DEVELOPED THAT WAY.
19:43:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:43:43 MR. CREMER.
19:43:46 MR. CREMER, YOU HAVE STATED EARLIER THAT YOU MAY WANT
19:43:48 TO CROSS-EXAMINE ANY SPEAKERS.
19:43:52 DO YOU WISH TO DO SO AT THIS TIME?
19:43:56 >> NO, SIR, I DON'T, BUT I HAVE AN OBJECTION FOR THE
19:43:57 RECORD RELATED TO THAT.
19:44:01 MISS MANDELL SENT A LETTER TO COUNCIL AND CITY
19:44:05 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE YESTERDAY THAT HAD TWO EXPERT REPORTS
19:44:06 WITHIN THE LETTER.
19:44:12 AND MY CONCERN THAT EXPERTS DON'T APPEAR HERE TO BE
19:44:15 CROSS-EXAMINED AND I OBJECT TO THEM BEING CONSIDERED
19:44:17 COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
19:44:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:44:22 MISS MANDELL.
19:44:25 >> FOR THE RECORD, JULIA MANDELL.
19:44:27 I UNDERSTAND THE OBJECTION.
19:44:29 THEY COULD NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE.
19:44:31 WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THOSE
19:44:35 REPORTS THAT ISN'T ALSO PART OF THE RECORD THAT I PUT
19:44:39 FORWARD AS PART OF MY REPORT THAT I PUT FORWARD.
19:44:42 SO IF CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO CONSIDER THOSE, THEY
19:44:44 CAN CONSIDER THE PICTURES THINK THAT PUT DOWN AS
19:44:48 COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, THE POLICIES THAT THEY
19:44:52 ARE REVIEWING IS PART OF THE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
19:44:53 EVIDENCE AND THE TESTIMONY THAT THEY HEARD TODAY IS
19:44:56 PART OF THE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
19:44:58 THANK YOU.
19:45:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
19:45:02 [INAUDIBLE]
19:45:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FOR THE RECORD I HAVEN'T SEEN IT
19:45:06 EITHER.
19:45:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE ONE SO FAR OF THE
19:45:09 COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE HERE.
19:45:19 I DIDN'T SEE IT EITHER.
19:45:22 MR. CREMER.
19:45:22 >> YES, SIR.
19:45:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED OR ARE YOU
19:45:27 GOING TO DO ANY CROSSEXAMINEING.
19:45:28 >> WELL, I CAN'T.
19:45:31 I WILL NOTE THAT THE PRIMARY CASE ON QUASI JUDICIAL
19:45:35 JENNINGS VERSUS DADE COUNTY SAYS THAT PARTIES MUST BE
19:45:38 ABLE TO CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESSES AND THOSE TWO WITNESSES
19:45:40 ARE NOT THERE.
19:45:41 AND I NOTE THAT OBJECTION FOR THE RECORD.
19:45:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:45:47 >> CAN I GET HELP FROM I.T., I AM NOT ABLE TO SEE
19:45:52 ANYTHING ON THE SCREEN, THE PRESENTATION HERE.
19:46:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I.T., ARE YOU AVAILABLE?
19:46:06 >> MR. CHAIR, IT SEEMS TO BE ON THE ELMO, BUT NOT ON
19:46:16 THE PRESENTATION.
19:46:26 AGAIN, JAKE CREMER FOR RECORD.
19:46:30 I WILL BE BRINGING SOME OF OUR EXPERTS UP TO ADDRESS
19:46:31 SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU HEARD.
19:46:33 THANK YOU.
19:46:39 >> I AM RANDY HASEN, PRESIDENT OF MCKIBBON HOSPITALITY.
19:46:44 WE WILL BE WITH THE DAY-TO-DAY STAFF, HIRING AND
19:46:50 TRAINING AND I AM TAMPA RESIDENT SINCE 1994 AND WE
19:46:54 OPERATE NINE HOTELS AROUND THE COUNTRY FOR AC HOTELS.
19:46:56 I KNOW THIS BRAND VERY WELL.
19:46:59 FOUR HOTELS IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND 13 HOTELS IN TAMPA.
19:47:04 AND WE ARE TAMPA-BASED.
19:47:07 >> ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION FOR TRUCKS.
19:47:12 >> AS FAR AS DELIVERIES GO, WE AS THE OPERATOR, WE
19:47:16 CONTROL WHEN OUR VENDORS ARE DELIVERING TO THE HOTEL.
19:47:21 WE WANT TO DO IT DURING OFF-PEAK HOURS TO NOT DISRUPT
19:47:24 GUESTS SLEEPING, WHICH WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE
19:47:25 RESIDENTS AS WELL AS.
19:47:29 WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T DISRUPT OPERATING
19:47:33 HOURS DURING BREAKFAST AND DINNER, THINGS OF THAT
19:47:33 NATURE.
19:47:37 SO THE BENEFIT OF THAT IT IS DURING OFF-PEAK HOURS OF
19:47:38 TRAFFIC AS WELL.
19:47:43 AND AS FAR AS THE TRASH COMPACTOR GOES, THAT IS A ONCE
19:47:44 A WEEK PICKUP.
19:47:49 ON CYCLE WITH THE CITY'S SCHEDULE AT, BUT IT WILL BE ON
19:47:53 CYCLE WITH EAR COMPACTOR PICKUPS ON THE ISLAND.
19:48:00 NOT IN ADDITION TO, IT IS JUST ANOTHER STOP.
19:48:03 >> GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, RANDY COHEN.
19:48:04 AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
19:48:07 I PLACED A TABLE ON THE ELMO.
19:48:10 I WANT TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REFERENCES TO
19:48:12 THE BANK AND ITS COMPARISON TO THE HOTEL.
19:48:14 A NUMBER OF FOLKS --
19:48:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. COHEN, I AM SORRY.
19:48:17 IT IS NOT APPEARING.
19:48:19 IT IS ON THE ELMO?
19:48:20 >> YES.
19:48:22 WE WILL GET TO IT SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS
19:48:22 BEFORE.
19:48:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THERE IT IS NOW.
19:48:25 THERE IT IS.
19:48:28 >> A LOT OF FOLKS TALKED OF THE SUNTRUST BANK THAT WAS
19:48:30 ON THE PROPERTY AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
19:48:30 THEY ARE CORRECT.
19:48:32 IT DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
19:48:35 A VERY LIMITED SERVICE BANK; HOWEVER, THE CURRENT
19:48:38 ZONING ON THE PROPERTY PROVIDES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF
19:48:39 A FULL-SERVICE BANK.
19:48:43 SO MY COMPARISONS HAVE BEEN TO A FULL-SERVICE BANK, NOT
19:48:46 TO THE SUNTRUST BANK THAT EXISTED SOME TIME AGO.
19:48:49 AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE TABLE ON THE ELMO, IN THE
19:48:52 MORNING A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC FROM THE HOTEL.
19:48:55 IN THE AFTERNOON, A LITTLE LESS TRAFFIC FROM THE HOTEL
19:48:57 THAN THERE WOULD BE FROM THE BANK.
19:49:00 A FULL-SERVICE BANK WHICH IS FULLY APPROVED AND CAN BE
19:49:01 CONSTRUCTED TODAY ON THE PROPERTY.
19:49:04 SO THAT IS THE COMPARISON I WAS REFERRING TO.
19:49:06 THANK YOU.
19:49:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:49:15 >> GOOD EVENING, CYNTHIA SPIDEL.
19:49:15 STEARNS WEAVER.
19:49:16 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
19:49:20 I AM AN AICP CERTIFIED PLAN WITH 17 YEARS OF PLANNING
19:49:22 EXPERIENCE INCLUDING MANY TAMPA PROJECTS.
19:49:25 AND I WAS ALSO THE DRI COORDINATOR IN PASCO COUNTY.
19:49:28 FORTUNATELY I HAVE WORKED ON MANY, MANY DRIS OVER MY
19:49:30 CAREER.
19:49:34 SO IN ORDER TO FORM MY PLANNING OPINION FOR
19:49:37 COMPATIBILITY OF THE USE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND
19:49:40 CONSISTENCY WITH THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENT.
19:49:44 I LOOKED AT THE APPROVALS AND REZONING PRECEDENTS
19:49:47 ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:49:50 THIS IS SUMMARIZED IN THE PLANNING REPORT AND I WILL
19:49:51 COVER THEM BRIEFLY.
19:49:56 FIRSTLY A DRI WITH UNBUILT DRI ENTITLEMENTS AVAILABLE.
19:49:58 FORMER DRI COORDINATOR.
19:50:00 THE FIRST THING I LOOKED AT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY
19:50:02 APPROVED AND WHAT WAS BUILT.
19:50:04 IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AND WHAT
19:50:07 HAS BEEN SPENT, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REMAINING
19:50:10 ENTITLEMENT THAT CAN BE DRAWN FROM.
19:50:13 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, THE CURRENT BUILD-OUT SCENARIO
19:50:17 THAT WAS ASSUMED, PLANNED FOR AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
19:50:19 MITIGATED FOR.
19:50:22 DRY CLEARLY ALLOWS NONRESIDENTIAL USES IN THIS
19:50:23 LOCATION.
19:50:28 AND OBVIOUSLY THE -- JUST TO REITERATE THAT AND I WANT
19:50:31 TO EMPHASIZE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF THE IMPROVEMENT FOR
19:50:33 THIS DRI IS MUCH GREATER THAN ACTUALLY WHAT IS ON THE
19:50:34 GROUND.
19:50:38 SO WHEN THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS LOOKED AT THIS DRI,
19:50:41 THEY HAD THE FORESIGHT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS -- YOU
19:50:44 KNOW, THIS IS 178-ACRE PROJECT.
19:50:48 A LONG EXTENSIVE BUILD-OUT AND EVOLVE OVER TIME AND
19:50:50 CHANGE WITH MARKET DEMANDS.
19:50:52 SO THEY RECOGNIZE THAT.
19:50:58 AND THEY BUILT THAT FLEXIBILITY INTO THE DRI, WHICH IS
19:51:00 THE MASTER PLAN FOR AT AREA THE BASIS OF THE CERTIFIED
19:51:03 SITE PLAN AT THE PD LEVEL.
19:51:06 HAVING SAID THAT, THEY BUILT THAT FLEXIBILITY INTO IT
19:51:09 AND THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC NOTE ON THERE THAT SAYS USES
19:51:13 DEPICTING DEMARCATION BETWEEN LAND USE CATEGORIES MAY
19:51:16 BE ADJUSTED A I COULD COME DATE MARKET CONDITIONS AND
19:51:22 INNOVATIVE BUILDING DESIGNS AND EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
19:51:25 REGULATORY APPROVAL THAT SETS PRECEDENCE FOR THIS
19:51:26 PROJECT.
19:51:30 WHAT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY?
19:51:31 REGIONAL MIXED USE 1 MOUNTAIN.
19:51:35 THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST INTENSE LAND USES YOU COULD
19:51:38 POSSIBLY HAVE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
19:51:40 THE PLANNER FOR THE OPPOSITION -- IN THEIR OPPOSITION
19:51:43 REPORT WHO IS NOT HERE INDICATED THEY WANTED
19:51:45 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IN THIS LOCATION.
19:51:47 SO I WENT BACK THROUGH IT.
19:51:51 THERE ARE NO REGULATORY APPROVALS IN PLACE THAT WOULD
19:51:53 REQUIRE ANY COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS DRI TO BE
19:51:55 NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE.
19:51:58 THERE IS A MUCH LARGER HOTEL A BLOCK AWAY.
19:52:00 AND THAT IS WHY THIS HOTEL IS COMPATIBLE AND
19:52:05 APPROPRIATE IN OUR REGIONAL MIXED USE LAND USE
19:52:05 CATEGORY.
19:52:08 LASTLY I LOOKED AT THE HISTORICAL ZONING FOR THE
19:52:09 PARCEL.
19:52:11 THE CITY OF TAMPA APPROVED THIS FOR NONRESIDENTIAL
19:52:14 USES.
19:52:17 NEVER CONSIDERED THE ROAD TO BE THE DEMARCATION LINE.
19:52:20 RATHER THE ENTIRE PARCEL OR THE AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED
19:52:25 ON THE DRI MAP AND THE PLAN AS NONRESIDENTIAL AND
19:52:27 THEREFORE THOSE USES THAT ARE APPROVED FOR THAT MIXED
19:52:29 USE PARCEL ARE ALLOWED ON THIS SITE.
19:52:33 IN PARTICULAR, AND, AGAIN, THE PLAN IS TO -- PLANNERS
19:52:36 WHO ORIGINALLY WORKED ON THIS DRI DID HAVE THE
19:52:40 FORESIGHT TO STATE THAT ON THE MAP, USES DEPICTING
19:52:44 DEMARCATION OF LAND USE CATEGORIES MAY BE ADJUSTED TO
19:52:48 ACCOMMODATE MARKET CONDITIONS AND INNOVATIVE BUSINESS
19:52:48 DESIGN.
19:52:52 SET IN ANOTHER WAY, WHY YOUR ZONING HISTORY SHOW THE IT
19:52:54 IS NOTE KNIGHT'S RUN, BUT THE GATE.
19:52:57 SO YOU HAVE ALREADY DRAWN THAT LINE.
19:53:00 AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SHOWN IN THE PRESENTATION, THE
19:53:03 RESIDENTIAL LAND USES BEHIND THE GATES ARE PROTECTED
19:53:07 AND BUFFERED BY THE GATES.
19:53:11 AND A WIDE VARIETY OF HIVTS IN HARBOUR ISLAND NORTH AND
19:53:11 SOUTH OF THE GATE.
19:53:16 THAT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH RMU-100 WHICH ALLOWS FOR
19:53:20 LOW-RISE, MEDIUM-RISE AND HIGH-RISE TO CO-EXIST.
19:53:23 THE BUILDING DESIGN ITSELF ENCOURAGES PEDESTRIAN
19:53:26 ACTIVITY AND AN ARTICLE AS WELL IN MY PLANNING REPORT
19:53:28 THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE BUILDING
19:53:33 IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN HUMAN SCALE AND WILL SPUR
19:53:36 PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND SENSITIVE TO THE URBAN CONTEXT
19:53:38 OF THE COMMUNITY AND IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE I USE THE SAME
19:53:40 PICTURE THAT THE OPPOSITION USED TO LOOK.
19:53:44 WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I THOUGHT THAT IS A 1980S BANK
19:53:47 TOTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE BEAUTIFUL HIGH-RISES
19:53:47 SURROUNDING IT.
19:53:50 SO I SAW THE SAME PICTURE AND LOOKED AT THAT TIME
19:53:50 COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY.
19:53:53 THEREFORE, IT IS MY OPINION THAT THIS IS VERY
19:53:56 APPROPRIATE FOR A MIXED USE AREA AND DEMONSTRATES
19:53:59 CONSISTENCY OF A HOTEL.
19:54:01 AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
19:54:03 >> JAKE CREAMER AGAIN.
19:54:08 MISS SPIDELL, IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL PLANNING IS THIS
19:54:12 CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND PD.
19:54:13 >> YES.
19:54:15 >> JAKE CRAMER.
19:54:17 FOR THE RECORD, WE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT.
19:54:19 AND I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE LEGAL STANDARD THAT WE
19:54:20 ARE APPLYING TONIGHT.
19:54:23 AS YOU ALL KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO REZONINGS, NOT A
19:54:25 POPULARITY CONTEST.
19:54:28 WE ARE APPLYING YOUR LAWS TO THE EVIDENCE.
19:54:31 WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT JUST TO WISH TO MAINTAIN THE
19:54:34 STATUS QUO, THAT IS NOT ENOUGH.
19:54:35 THAT IS NOT A DEFENSE.
19:54:37 AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT CITIZEN TESTIMONY -- THIS
19:54:39 IS VERY IMPORTANT.
19:54:42 CITIZEN TESTIMONY ON TECHNICAL SUBJECTS LIKE LAND USE
19:54:45 PLANNING, LIKE ENGINEERING, LIKE TRAFFIC, LIKE
19:54:48 POLLUTION, THOSE ARE EXPERT SUBJECTS THAT ONLY EXPERTS
19:54:50 CAN TESTIFY ON.
19:54:53 COUNCIL, YOU DIDN'T HEAR FROM AN EXPERT ON ANY OF THOSE
19:54:55 SUBJECTS TONIGHT FROM THE OPPOSITION.
19:54:58 THE ONLY EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TONIGHT IS YOUR
19:55:03 PROFESSIONAL PLANNING STAFF'S OPINION, THE OPINION OF
19:55:06 THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MISS SPIDELL, HER OPINION.
19:55:09 THAT IS THE PLANNING -- THOSE ARE THE PLANNING OPINIONS
19:55:10 IN THE RECORD TONIGHT.
19:55:16 WHAT THAT MEANS IS, ONCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED OUR CASE,
19:55:19 THE BURDEN SHIFTS UNDER THE CASE LAW TO THE OPPOSITION.
19:55:23 THE OPPOSITION THEN HAS TO SHOW THAT THE CURRENT USE OF
19:55:27 THE LAND IS REASONABLE AND DOES NOT EFFECT -- DOES NOT
19:55:31 ADVERSELY EFFECT OUR PROPERTY RIGHTS.
19:55:33 COUNCIL, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THEY HAVE NOT EVEN
19:55:36 TRIED TO MAKE THAT CASE.
19:55:37 THIS IS THE CURRENT PROPERTY.
19:55:41 IF WE CAN GO TO THE POWERPOINT PLEASE.
19:55:45 WE HAVE AN OLD, OUTDATED BANK BUILDING THAT IS RIGHT
19:55:48 NEXT TO A WALL.
19:55:52 WE HAVE A 12-STORY BUILDING AND A 21-STORY BUILDING
19:55:54 NEXT TO THIS BUILDING.
19:55:58 THE DRI, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE DRI AND THE PLANS
19:56:02 AROUND THIS PROPERTY, AROUND THIS -- AND HARBOUR
19:56:06 ISLAND, THE WHOLE PURPOSE WAS TO MIX USES, TO MIX
19:56:10 HEIGHT, SO WE GET THIS FABRIC WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK.
19:56:12 WHERE WE CAN HAVE THIS EXTENSION OF DOWNTOWN.
19:56:16 THAT IS WHAT THE PLANNING OPINIONS ARE AS FAR AS THE
19:56:19 ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED.
19:56:22 YOU KNOW, OUR SCALE IS SIMILAR.
19:56:25 YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE HOTEL HYATT WHICH
19:56:31 HAS 178 ROOMS AND EPICURION WITH 137 ROOMS AND SOON
19:56:32 INCREASING TO 188 ROOMS.
19:56:36 THAT IS THE SCALE WE ARE LOOKING AT.
19:56:40 THE OP SIGNIFICANCE -- I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THEY
19:56:43 DIDN'T OFFER ANYTHING TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND ON
19:56:45 BAYSHORE.
19:56:47 IN COUNCIL HAS APPROVED MANY PROJECTS, PREVIOUS
19:56:52 COUNCILS HAVE APPROVED MANY PROJECTS OF VERY, VERY TALL
19:56:55 BUILDINGS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND
19:56:57 FOUND THEM COMPATIBLE.
19:57:02 IN THOSE CASES, THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE TOWERS WAS
19:57:04 MUCH HIGHER THAN THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE
19:57:06 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
19:57:08 AGAIN, GOING BACK TO HARBOUR ISLAND.
19:57:09 YOU HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
19:57:13 THE ENTIRE ISLAND IS RMU-100.
19:57:14 THE SAME AS CHANNELSIDE.
19:57:17 THAT IS THE VISION AS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED
19:57:20 THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS SET FOR THE ISLAND.
19:57:24 THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE THE DRI WAS INITIATED 40
19:57:28 YEARS AGO.
19:57:31 COUNCIL, I WANT TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS ONE PERCEIVED
19:57:34 TRAFFIC CONCERN BECAUSE I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MY CLIENT
19:57:35 TONIGHT.
19:57:38 I MENTION TO YOU A REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED BY CITY
19:57:41 STAFF'S CONSULTANT.
19:57:45 THAT REPORT RECOMMENDS ABOUT A DOZEN POTENTIAL
19:57:49 SOLUTIONS TO THE OFF-SITE, OFF THE ISLAND TRAFFIC
19:57:51 PROBLEMS THAT YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT FROM MANY
19:57:52 SPEAKERS.
19:57:54 LIBERTY IS WILLING TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE.
19:57:57 THIS ISN'T A PROBLEM WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO OR CAUSED.
19:57:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: 30 SECONDS.
19:57:59 >> THANK YOU.
19:58:04 LIBERTY IS WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE $50,000 TO THE CITY'S
19:58:07 IMPLEMENTATION WITHIN THREE YEARS OF CERTIFICATE OF
19:58:09 OCCUPANCY OF THE HOTEL TO ANY OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT THE
19:58:12 CITY CHOOSES FROM THIS REPORT.
19:58:14 SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE.
19:58:17 WE ARE HAPPY TO ADD THAT AS A NOTE, YOU KNOW, AS IT
19:58:20 WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST AND
19:58:20 SECOND READING.
19:58:21 THANK YOU.
19:58:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:58:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CITRO.
19:58:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
19:58:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO PUT ON
19:58:32 THE SITE PLAN.
19:58:35 THAT IS NOT RELATED TO THE CRITERIA.
19:58:40 THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NOT -- NOT SOMETHING
19:58:43 THAT THE CITY WILL APPROVE TO HAVE PUT ON THE SITE
19:58:44 PLAN.
19:58:46 COUNCIL, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT NOT BE CONSIDERED.
19:58:50 I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE ANY MECHANISM OTHER THAN
19:58:55 THAT TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT.
19:58:57 >> IF I MAY RESPOND, THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE VERY
19:58:58 EASY.
19:59:01 WE WOULD HAVE A TIMING AND THE CITY'S POTENTIAL
19:59:03 COMPLIANCE WITH THE TIMING.
19:59:06 WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, WE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THIS
19:59:07 CORRIDOR.
19:59:12 AND POTENTIAL -- POTENTIAL PEDESTRIAN AND AUTOMOBILE
19:59:14 CONFLICTS.
19:59:16 WE HEARD ABOUT THAT AS A CONCERN.
19:59:19 AND WE ARE -- YOU KNOW, WE ARE OFFERING TO HELP ASSIST
19:59:21 WITH THAT CONCERN.
19:59:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
19:59:27 BEFORE I ACCEPT A MOTION TO CLOSE, DO WE HAVE ANY
19:59:34 OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE PETITIONER OR OF STAFF?
19:59:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL --
19:59:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
19:59:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:59:41 I WROTE DOWN SOME NOTES.
19:59:44 MISS MANDELL SPOKE OF AVAILABILITY OF REMAINING
19:59:48 ENTITLEMENTS AND SHE NEVER SAID HOW MUCH AND WHERE.
19:59:49 NUMBER ONE.
19:59:52 NUMBER TWO, SPOKE OF A VERY LARGE HOTEL A BLOCK AWAY.
19:59:57 BUT YOU NEVER TOLD THIS COUNCIL, IS IT SOUTH OR NORTH
19:59:59 OF KNIGHT'S RUN AVENUE.
20:00:00 >> NORTH.
20:00:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE ATTORNEY SPOKE OF HYATT AND
20:00:05 COMPARING HOTEL --
20:00:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY, MR. MIRANDA.
20:00:09 DID YOU WANT A QUESTION OF THE WITNESS.
20:00:11 DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF THE WITNESS --
20:00:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME FINISH MY QUESTION --
20:00:16 PLEASE, SIR, I AM DOING THE QUESTIONING.
20:00:20 NOT YOU, SIR.
20:00:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD.
20:00:23 SPOKE OF TWO HOTELS.
20:00:26 ONE IN YBOR CITY AND ONE ON THE SOUTH END OF HOWARD, I
20:00:26 BELIEVE.
20:00:29 BOTH VERY WELL, VERY WELL RUN, VERY WELL, BUT THEY BOTH
20:00:32 -- THE SETTING OF THEM ARE CERTAINLY NOT THE SETTING
20:00:33 WITH THIS ONE.
20:00:35 I AM TRYING TO MAKE THE COMPARISON BECAUSE THEY GAVE ME
20:00:37 A COMPARISON WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
20:00:39 ONE IS IN YBOR CITY.
20:00:43 THE OTHER IN SOUTH HOWARD, THEN YOU BRING UP THE
20:00:44 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
20:00:50 THE BAYSHORE BOULEVARD STARTED BACK IN THE '70S OF
20:00:52 AVAILABILITY OF HIGH-RISE.
20:00:53 IF I RECALL. NOTICE I SAID "IF I RECALL."
20:00:58 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE INFORMATION GIVEN TO THIS
20:01:02 COUNCIL REGARDING THE AVAILABILITY OF ENTITLEMENTS
20:01:05 REMAINING WHERE ARE THEY AND HOW -- I THINK WE ARE
20:01:06 ENTITLED TO THAT.
20:01:08 >> A GOOD QUESTION.
20:01:11 ON PAGE THREE OF MY PLANNING REPORT, THERE IS A TABLE
20:01:13 ONE DRI ENTITLEMENT.
20:01:16 ACCORDING TO THE LAST ANNUAL REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED
20:01:21 FOR THE DRI WAS 1477 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AVAILABLE.
20:01:25 515,956 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE.
20:01:28 251 HOTEL ROOMS.
20:01:33 350 CONFERENCE CENTER ROOMS -- UNITS.
20:01:36 ZERO ATHLETIC FACILITIES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED.
20:01:40 179,625 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND AN EXTRA 239
20:01:43 BOAT SLIPS.
20:01:44 THAT IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND MITIGATED FOR.
20:01:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
20:01:46 NOT TO MAKE A SCENE, WHEN DID YOU RECEIVE THIS ITEM FROM
20:01:48 YOURSELF TODAY, THIS BOOK?
20:01:50 >> I'M SORRY?
20:01:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN DID WE RECEIVE THIS BOOK?
20:01:54 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ THIS BOOK.
20:01:56 THIS BOOK WAS GIVEN TO US, BOOM, THERE IT IS.
20:01:58 AND HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE IT'S AT?
20:02:01 I APPRECIATE --
20:02:02 >> I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH --
20:02:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE DON'T HAVE EYES THAT CAN SEE THROUGH
20:02:07 ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT QUICKLY.
20:02:08 AT LEAST I DON'T.
20:02:09 I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS.
20:02:11 >> DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ME?
20:02:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
20:02:16 AND THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ON SOUTH HOWARD, THEY ARE
20:02:25 CERTAINLY GREAT ADDITIONS TO THE AREA, BUT IT'S A STANDARD
20:02:30 OF THE SAME AS YOU PRESENTED.
20:02:32 >> COUNCILMAN, I WAS JUST GIVING THOSE AS EXAMPLES OF HOTELS
20:02:40 WITH ROOM COUNT, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, MUCH
20:02:49 LARGER HOTELS.
20:02:50 I APOLOGIZE.
20:02:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO PROBLEM.
20:02:52 THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, MS. SPIDEL, YOU MENTIONED THE
20:02:55 LARGE HOTEL A BLOCK AWAY.
20:02:56 IS THAT SOUTH OR NORTH?
20:02:58 >> THAT'S NORTH.
20:02:59 IT'S WATERSIDE.
20:03:01 IT'S IN DIRECT WALKING DISTANCE NORTH AND SLIGHTLY WEST.
20:03:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT IT IS NORTH?
20:03:06 >> YES.
20:03:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:03:09 SO IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH WATERSIDE --
20:03:13 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
20:03:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE.
20:03:24 ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
20:03:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
20:03:28 >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
20:03:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
20:03:31 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
20:03:34 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:03:35 ANY OPPOSED?
20:03:39 WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
20:03:46 WE HAVE TO VOTE ON ONE BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE OTHER.
20:03:48 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:03:50 MAY I GIVE JUST SOME CONSIDERATIONS AND THOUGHTS ON THIS, IF
20:03:53 I MAY?
20:03:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURE.
20:03:55 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I KNOW WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR
20:03:57 CONSIDERATIONS AND THOUGHTS BECAUSE THIS IS A -- THIS IS A
20:04:01 HOT BUTTON ISSUE, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
20:04:04 YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS I KEPT ON ASKING FOR
20:04:07 INFORMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN RELY UPON CERTAIN
20:04:09 THINGS IN ISSUING A DECISION ON THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS A
20:04:13 LEGAL PROCEEDING.
20:04:14 A LEGAL PROCEEDING WITH ACCOUNTABILITY, WITH APPEALS,
20:04:17 ET CETERA, WHERE IF ONE SIDE DOESN'T LIKE THE WAY THAT IT
20:04:19 GOES, THERE'S A SEQUEL, RIGHT?
20:04:22 COULD BE MANY SEQUELS, IN FACT.
20:04:26 SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
20:04:27 I ALWAYS SAY WHENEVER IT COMES TO CASES LIKE THIS, WE HAVE
20:04:32 TO SEE IF THERE'S LEGS TO SUPPORT THAT STOOL EITHER TO
20:04:36 SUPPORT SOMETHING OR DENY IT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES
20:04:39 THAT CAN GO INTO FAIRNESS AND EQUITY, ET CETERA, FROM AN
20:04:44 INFORMAL NON-LEGAL DEFINED PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE
20:04:48 TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ON A HEARING.
20:04:52 WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES HERE, NUMBER
20:04:54 ONE, THE PUBLIC BRINGS UP A LOT OF GOOD ISSUES AGAIN ON AN
20:04:58 INFORMAL BASIS, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ON THAT PIECE OF
20:05:04 PROPERTY.
20:05:05 OBVIOUSLY A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
20:05:07 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY COMPELLING.
20:05:09 WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT WE HAVE TWO, WHAT I CALL,
20:05:14 UNBLEMISHED REPORTS FROM CITY STAFF, AND FROM THE PLANNING
20:05:17 COMMISSION.
20:05:18 WITHOUT ANY WAIVERS SOUGHT WHATSOEVER.
20:05:23 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WEIGHS ON MY MIND A LOT.
20:05:25 I LOOK AT ISSUES IN TERMS OF -- WE HAVE THE COMP PLAN.
20:05:30 APPARENTLY -- AND I AM GOING TO RELY UPON WHAT SOMEONE IN
20:05:33 THE AUDIENCE SAID.
20:05:34 I REMEMBER WHEN COUNCIL AMENDED THE COMP PLAN MAYBE FIVE,
20:05:38 SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO -- RIGHT? -- THAT HAS BEEN RELIED UPON
20:05:42 IN THIS.
20:05:42 SO I LOOK AT LEGAL LEGS THAT CAN GO OWN A STOOL IN
20:05:47 SUPPORTING IT OR DENYING SOMETHING.
20:05:49 THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS LOOK FOR BECAUSE THIS IS A LEGAL
20:05:52 PROCESS WHERE THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY, APPEALS, AND WHAT I
20:05:56 CALL SEQUELS.
20:05:58 SO TONIGHT MAY BE A ROCKY 1.
20:06:00 THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROCKY 2, 3, 4, 5 LATER ON POTENTIALLY.
20:06:04 JUST SOME GENERAL THOUGHTS AND CONSIDERATIONS, IF I MAY.
20:06:07 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
20:06:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU'RE WELCOME.
20:06:22 IF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THOUGHTS, ET CETERA.
20:06:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS HOPING TO HEAR A MOTION AND THEN WE
20:06:26 WOULD HAVE DISCUSSION AFTER A MOTION IS MADE.
20:06:33 THERE IS NO MOTION YET.
20:06:35 NOBODY HAS MADE A MOTION.
20:06:36 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST TO GET DISCUSSION STARTED, READ NUMBER
20:06:40 3, I MOVE AN ORDINANCE --
20:06:42 >> WE STILL HAVE ITEM 2.
20:06:45 >>LUIS VIERA: EXCUSE ME, I'M SO SORRY.
20:06:47 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
20:06:49 ITEM NUMBER 2 I GUESS IS A COMPANION TO THIS, BUT YOU HEARD
20:06:54 TALK ABOUT THE DRI AND ENTITLEMENTS UNDER THE DRI.
20:06:58 SO THERE ARE EXCESS TITLEMENT IN THE AREA OF REGIONAL
20:07:05 IMPACT.
20:07:05 THIS DEVELOPER DOES NOT OWN THOSE ENTITLEMENTS.
20:07:08 SO THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE THIS NOTICE OF PROPOSED CHANGE
20:07:11 BEFORE YOU SO THAT, WHICH IS REQUESTING TO THE ENTITLEMENTS
20:07:16 WITHIN THE DRI WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE REZONING TO GO FORWARD.
20:07:20 THAT'S WHY THE DRI AMENDMENT IS FIRST.
20:07:24 SO IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THOUGH
20:07:30 BECAUSE THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE AMENDMENT TO THE NOTICE OF
20:07:33 PROPOSED CHANGE, WHICH A NUMBER OF PROPOSED HOTEL ROOMS AND
20:07:38 THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION IN THE ORDINANCE, SO I DID
20:07:40 WANT TO MAKE THE STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD, AND BETWEEN FIRST
20:07:43 AND SECOND READING MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE ORDINANCE, SO
20:07:47 THE INCREASE IN ENTITLEMENTS UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER
20:07:49 WOULD PERMIT A MAXIMUM OF 150 HOTEL ROOMS WITH ANCILLARY
20:07:53 USES AND 160 PARKING SPACES, AND THEN THE TERMINATION OF THE
20:07:58 DEVELOPMENT ORDER WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 27th OF 2024.
20:08:04 ENTITLEMENT IS STILL THE SAME ON THE ORDINANCE, THOUGH.
20:08:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
20:08:06 AND I DO THIS TO GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED, TO THE EXTENT
20:08:10 THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO GIVE THEIR THOUGHTS, BECAUSE I
20:08:12 AM OPEN TO THOUGHTS, RIGHT?
20:08:14 I AM OPEN TO THOUGHTS.
20:08:14 SO HERE WE GO.
20:08:16 I READ AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA APPROVING
20:08:18 THE SIXTH AMENDMENT TO A DEVELOPMENT ORDER RENDERED PURSUANT
20:08:22 TO CHAPTER 380 FLORIDA STATUTES FILED BY LIBERTY HOSPITALITY
20:08:25 MANAGEMENT LLC FOR HARBOR ISLAND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED
20:08:29 DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE,
20:08:31 WITH THE CORRECTIONS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING THAT
20:08:34 MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ REFERENCED.
20:08:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE HEARD A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
20:08:42 IS THERE A SECOND?
20:08:43 >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SECOND.
20:08:45 >> SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
20:08:49 ANY DISCUSSION?
20:08:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE CONVERSATION
20:08:58 ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, THREE HOURS OR SO, WHICH IS FINE,
20:09:02 ENHANCING AND MAKE ME A BETTER PERSON IN UNDERSTANDING
20:09:05 WHAT'S GOING ON, AND I LOOK AT ONE THING, THE MAP BEFORE
20:09:10 ITEM NUMBER D.
20:09:11 THAT MAP AND THE CONSEQUENCES THAT I LOOKED AT, IF THIS
20:09:16 HOTEL WAS ANYWHERE, OR THIS PROPERTY WAS ANYWHERE NORTH, I
20:09:22 WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
20:09:24 NOT ONE.
20:09:25 BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SOUTH OF KNIGHT'S RUN AVENUE, AND
20:09:30 THIS WILL STARTED, IN MY OPINION, POSSIBLE, NOTICE I SAID A
20:09:34 POSSIBLE, PATH, DOMINO EFFECT ON GOING IN THE SAME
20:09:38 MANNERISMS AS THAT ITEM THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SOUTH OF
20:09:44 KNIGHT'S AVENUE, THE HOTEL.
20:09:45 SO THEREFORE I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
20:09:47 [ APPLAUSE ]
20:09:50 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
20:09:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I UNDERSTAND YOUR ZEAL.
20:09:59 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
20:10:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN I LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT HAVE
20:10:03 BEEN REFERENCED BY THE APPLICANT AND IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC,
20:10:06 YOU SEE SOME DISPARITIES THERE.
20:10:09 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT CORNER.
20:10:11 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, I BELIEVE ON THE
20:10:16 WEST SIDE, YOU SEE ALL OF THE BIG BUILDINGS WHEN YOU GO TO
20:10:18 THE EASTERN SIDE, A DISPARITY.
20:10:23 YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE OF THE COMP
20:10:28 PLAN, SOMETIMES WHEN DIFFERENT COUNCIL APPROVE THINGS,
20:10:33 THINGS DO CHANGE SOMETIMES.
20:10:37 DURING THE COURSE OF YEARS.
20:10:40 SOMETIMES WHEN COUNCIL MAKES THE DECISION, IT AFFECTS LATER
20:10:44 COUNCILS MUCH LATER ON WHEN WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS, TOUGH
20:10:48 DECISIONS.
20:10:50 THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, AND TAMPA IS
20:10:52 GROWING, AND THE HOTEL INDUSTRY BRINGS A LOT OF TOURISM AND
20:10:57 THAT WAS A BIG THING, BACK IN THOSE DAYS, THAT WE DIDN'T
20:11:04 HAVE ENOUGH HOTELS.
20:11:05 I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO GROW NOW WITH HOTELS.
20:11:08 BUT I LISTENED TO THE APPLICANT, LOOKED AT THE FACTS, AND
20:11:15 THERE ARE SOME VALID POINTS, BUT ALSO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY
20:11:20 OF WHERE THAT BUILDING MAY GO TO.
20:11:22 AND IT KIND OF BOTHERS ME WHERE IT'S SETTING AT WHEN I LOOK
20:11:26 AT THE DIAGRAM AND THE PHOTOS.
20:11:28 IT COULD BE A PROBLEM.
20:11:32 I CAN'T SAY IT WILL BE BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY.
20:11:36 SO I AM STILL LEERY BUT I WILL LISTEN TO OTHER COUNCIL
20:11:41 MEMBERS.
20:11:41 WHEN I LOOK AT THE DESIGN, THE COMMUNITY DOES HAVE SOME
20:11:47 CONCERN.
20:11:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
20:11:50 >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO UNDERSTAND THE COMPATIBILITY.
20:12:01 I LOOK AT THAT.
20:12:05 I ALSO -- I DO SEE A CLEAR DEMARCATION WHERE THE GATES ARE.
20:12:13 WHERE THE GATES ARE, VERY CLEAR DEMARCATION BETWEEN WHAT I
20:12:18 SEE AS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.
20:12:22 SO I AM ACTUALLY INCLINED TO GO THE OPPOSITE WAY AND APPROVE
20:12:26 THIS BECAUSE IT IS OUTSIDE, IT IS STILL A PUBLIC SPACE, AND
20:12:36 THE -- ALL OUR STAFF HAS APPROVED IT, FOUND IT CONSISTENT,
20:12:44 NO WAIVERS.
20:12:47 I FIND IT LEGALLY DIFFICULT TO DISAPPROVE.
20:12:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM UNDERSTANDING BOTH SIDES OF THIS
20:13:04 HEARING.
20:13:06 I LOOK TO A CERTAIN THING THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO
20:13:10 CONSIDERATION.
20:13:14 THE EXISTING LAND USE, I AM GOING TO GO OFF TO ONE SIDE.
20:13:22 PEOPLE KEEP TALKING DENSITY, DENSITY, DENSITY, DENSITY.
20:13:28 WOULD THIS DENSITY BE BETTER SUITED FOR LIVING RESIDENTS, BE
20:13:36 IT BE APARTMENT OR COUNCILMAN, WHETHER YOU HAVE ONE-YEAR
20:13:40 LEASE OR SOMEBODY LIVING THERE FOR 20 YEARS?
20:13:45 THAT IS DISCUSSION FOR PLANNING.
20:13:47 AND FUTURE PLAN.
20:13:51 I KEEP HEARING ABOUT UBERS AND LYFTS, TRANSPORTATION, MODERN
20:13:57 TRANSPORTATION IS HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE DESIGNED FOR MOVING
20:14:01 PEOPLE, NOT VEHICLES.
20:14:08 I'M THINKING INTO THE FUTURE.
20:14:10 WOULD THIS HAVE BEEN BETTER SUITED FOR THE FUTURE?
20:14:18 WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE, IN THIS TIME, IN THIS TIME, OF A
20:14:24 HOUSING CRUNCH.
20:14:26 IN THE FUTURE, HOPEFULLY -- AND I AM GOING TO GO THERE --
20:14:30 THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION TAX PASSES.
20:14:34 I UNDERSTAND BEFORE YOU START, I WILL BACK UP.
20:14:38 WE DON'T HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION NOW.
20:14:42 WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS, THIS WOULD BE BETTER USED FOR
20:14:45 FUTURE LAND USE.
20:14:48 AND I CAN SAY THAT.
20:14:52 I HAVE SAID MY PIECE.
20:14:56 THANK YOU.
20:14:56 WE HAVE A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA,
20:14:59 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
20:15:02 BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, MR. CREMER.
20:15:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS IT SOMETHING YOU ARE GOING TO REQUIRE
20:15:09 OF MR. CREMER?
20:15:10 YOU HAVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING.
20:15:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING?
20:15:14 >> SO MOVED.
20:15:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECOND BY
20:15:20 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
20:15:25 I JUST WANT TO BE SURE -- I REALIZE THERE'S ONLY SIX COUNCIL
20:15:29 MEMBERS ON HERE AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE FOUR AFFIRMATIVE
20:15:32 VOTES.
20:15:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, I THINK THAT POINT HAS PASSED.
20:15:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:15:38 FORGET IT.
20:15:38 I STAND CORRECTED.
20:15:39 OKAY.
20:15:40 ALL IN FAVOR -- MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
20:15:48 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
20:15:50 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:15:52 THANK YOU.
20:15:55 ROLL CALL VOTE.
20:15:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW IS ITEM
20:16:01 NUMBER 2.
20:16:02 AND THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN READ.
20:16:04 >>THE CLERK: YES, THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN READ.
20:16:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
20:16:10 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:16:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
20:16:15 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
20:16:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
20:16:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
20:16:23 >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH CARLSON BEING ABSENT,
20:16:26 MANISCALCO, CITRO, MIRANDA, AND GUDES VOTING NO.
20:16:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE MOTION HAS BEEN DENIED.
20:16:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION NOW.
20:16:43 I'M SORRY.
20:16:43 >> GO AHEAD.
20:16:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M JUST SAYING, SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE A
20:16:47 MOTION.
20:16:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, MAKE A MOTION FOR -- DO I HEAR A
20:16:52 MOTION?
20:16:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, A MOTION FOR NUMBER TWO.
20:16:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU HAVE TO STICK ON TWO.
20:16:59 IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED.
20:17:01 IT HASN'T BEEN DENIED.
20:17:02 IT HAS NOT BEEN DENIED.
20:17:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S CORRECT.
20:17:05 MR. MIRANDA IS CORRECT.
20:17:06 NOW, COUNCIL, ACCORDING TO YOUR CHARTER, YOU NEED AN
20:17:09 AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF FOUR IN ORDER TO TAKE ACTION
20:17:13 PARTICULARLY ON THIS DRI, SO IF THERE'S NOT ANOTHER MOTION
20:17:17 IN ORDER, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO DENY.
20:17:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. WELLS, WE HAVE THE CRITERIA HERE
20:17:29 BEGINNING WITH ITEM NUMBER 3, THERE'S NOT ONE FOR ITEM
20:17:32 NUMBER 2.
20:17:32 MAY I JUST MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS DRI WITHOUT HAVING TO
20:17:36 STATE, TO GO INTO THE MORE DETAILS?
20:17:41 >>CATE WELLS: YES, SIR, THAT'S FINE.
20:17:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY ITEM NUMBER 2,
20:17:45 DRI-22-72367.
20:17:53 I THINK THAT'S IT.
20:17:54 ALL RIGHT.
20:17:55 MOTION TO DENY.
20:17:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO PUT, AS FAR AS
20:18:02 I'M CONCERNED, WHY?
20:18:04 I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE DETAILS.
20:18:06 THEN I WILL LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
20:18:07 I SECOND THE MOTION FROM MR. MANISCALCO.
20:18:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
20:18:13 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
20:18:15 ROLL CALL VOTE.
20:18:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
20:18:18 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
20:18:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
20:18:21 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
20:18:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
20:18:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
20:18:27 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON BEING ABSENT,
20:18:30 VIERA AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
20:18:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
20:18:33 >> COUNCIL, WOULD YOU CONSIDER REOPENING, TALK ABOUT THE
20:18:40 NEXT ITEM?
20:18:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE ALREADY CLOSED ON THAT.
20:18:47 I HAVE NEVER PERSONALLY REOPENED -- THE FIRST PART HAS BEEN
20:18:51 DENIED.
20:18:52 >> THESE MOTIONS STAND SEPARATELY.
20:18:56 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
20:18:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITHOUT THE FIRST ONE, THE SECOND ONE
20:19:02 BECOMES NULL AND VOID, AM I CORRECT?
20:19:06 MS. WELLS?
20:19:07 >> THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
20:19:08 THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO EXPLAIN.
20:19:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. WELLS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN?
20:19:12 >>CATE WELLS: WITHOUT THE AMENDMENT TO THE DRI, DEVELOPMENT
20:19:18 ORDER, I DON'T SEE HOW THE REZONING CAN MOVE FORWARD.
20:19:22 BUT IF MR. CREMER DISAGREES WITH THAT, CERTAINLY HE CAN
20:19:26 SPEAK TO COUNCIL ON THAT POINT.
20:19:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN DO WE NEED A MOTION TO REOPEN FOR
20:19:31 NUMBER 3?
20:19:40 WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
20:19:42 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO REOPEN FILE REZ 21-52.
20:19:49 MR. CREMER.
20:19:54 I'M SORRY.
20:19:55 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
20:19:56 ANY OPPOSED?
20:19:58 THANK YOU.
20:19:59 MR. CREMER.
20:20:00 SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT ALREADY.
20:20:02 >> I APPRECIATE THE INDULGENCE.
20:20:05 I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.
20:20:06 I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN, NOW THAT IT HAS BEEN DENIED, IF THE
20:20:10 CONCERN WAS THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS,
20:20:13 YOU CAN STILL APPROVE THE REZONING.
20:20:14 WE WOULD JUST BE FORCED TO GO OUT AND APPLY OUR ENTITLEMENTS
20:20:18 FROM THOSE WHO HAVE THEM.
20:20:20 THE ISLAND HAS ONLY BEEN BUILT OUT AT ABOUT HALF OF ITS
20:20:24 DENSITY AND INTENSITY.
20:20:26 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT.
20:20:28 THANK YOU.
20:20:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE.
20:20:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE, IS THERE
20:20:34 ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CREMER?
20:20:41 IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO THAT?
20:20:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO --
20:20:48 >> NO?
20:20:49 AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED WHILE I HAVE
20:20:51 BEEN ON COUNCIL.
20:20:53 SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME ON THIS.
20:20:58 EXCUSE ME.
20:20:59 MR. CREMER, WOULD YOU ALLOW MS. MANDELL TO SPEAK?
20:21:02 >> I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
20:21:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS.
20:21:09 AND I AM NOT HERE FOR ANY -- AT ALL BUT IN THE BEGINNING WE
20:21:18 MADE IT VERY CLEAR THESE WERE GOING TO BE HANDLED TOGETHER.
20:21:21 THERE'S NO DOUBT THE RECORD SAYS THAT IF YOU READ IT BACK.
20:21:23 WE HAVE SAID THAT.
20:21:25 WE VOTED ON THAT.
20:21:26 AND NOW WE SAY NOW WE WANT TO SEPARATE IT.
20:21:30 I AM NOT IN THE MOOD TO GO TO WHAT WE AGREED TO IN THE
20:21:37 BEGINNING.
20:21:37 AND ALL PARTIES AGREED.
20:21:39 I DIDN'T HEAR ONE OBJECTION.
20:21:41 SO IT'S MY ASSUMPTION AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS NO
20:21:44 OBJECTION, THAT EVERYBODY APPROVED TO GO WITH TWO AT ONCE, 2
20:21:51 AND 3.
20:21:51 AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, AND I AM GETTING OF AGE, BUT I
20:21:56 STILL HEAR PRETTY DAMN WELL.
20:21:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. MANDELL?
20:22:06 >>JULIA MANDELL: AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, JULIA MANDELL.
20:22:10 I WANT TO JUST UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE PROCEDURALLY.
20:22:13 WHAT I UNDERSTAND PROCEDURALLY HAS OCCURRED IS THE NOPC, NO
20:22:17 ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T ACHIEVE FOUR
20:22:19 VOTES.
20:22:23 DENIED?
20:22:24 THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT.
20:22:26 THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD AGREE WITH MR. MIRANDA.
20:22:28 THESE WERE OPENED TOGETHER, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THOSE
20:22:32 NEED TO BE DEALT WITH IN THAT MANNER.
20:22:36 BUT AGAIN I WAS UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE WERE.
20:22:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. MANDELL.
20:22:42 NOW WE HAVE HEARD THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE.
20:22:43 WE HAVE ALSO HEARD FROM MR. CREMER.
20:22:46 IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
20:22:48 >> SO MOVED.
20:22:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
20:22:52 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
20:22:56 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:22:57 ANY OPPOSED?
20:22:59 WE ARE NOW CLOSED.
20:23:00 [ APPLAUSE ]
20:23:14 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
20:23:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHOA, WHOA, EXCUSE ME.
20:23:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME.
20:23:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE HEARING THAT WAS REOPENED IS NOW
20:23:23 CLOSED AND NOW YOU HAVE ITEM NUMBER 3.
20:23:26 >> NO.
20:23:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, BECAUSE WE DENIED THE FIRST ONE, NUMBER
20:23:31 2, WHICH MAKES NUMBER 3 NULL AND VOID NOW.
20:23:34 >> NOT ACCURATE.
20:23:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. WELLS.
20:23:43 >>CATE WELLS: CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
20:23:47 WHEN STAFF WORKED ON THE REPORT FOR ITEM NUMBER 3, THE
20:23:50 REZONING, THE PRESUMPTION WAS THAT WITHOUT THE DRI
20:23:53 DEVELOPMENT ORDER BEING APPROVED, YOU COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD
20:23:56 WITH THE REZONING.
20:23:57 IF IT'S MR. CREMER'S POSITION THAT IT'S AN ISSUE OF SIMPLY
20:24:03 NOW ACQUIRING ENTITLEMENTS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE
20:24:05 FORWARD WITH THE REZONING IF APPROVED, I WOULD ASK COUNCIL
20:24:08 TO GO AHEAD AND CONSIDER NOW THAT THE NOC FOR THE DRI
20:24:12 DEVELOPMENT ORDER HAS BEEN DENIED UNDER ITEM NUMBER 2, BASED
20:24:16 ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS CONSIDERED DURING THE HEARING, THAT
20:24:19 OPENED UP ITEM NUMBER 2 AND NUMBER 3, CONSIDER THE REQUEST
20:24:22 FOR REZONING BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN TAKEN INTO
20:24:26 THE RECORD AND MAKE A DECISION AS IT RELATES TO WHETHER OR
20:24:29 NOT THE REQUESTED PD SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND
20:24:33 DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WITH APPLICABLE PROVISIONS IN THE
20:24:36 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
20:24:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO -- EXCUSE ME.
20:24:42 I AM GOING TO SIDE WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ON THIS.
20:24:46 IF SOMEONE AGAIN WANTS TO REOPEN.
20:24:50 MR. MIRANDA.
20:24:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE, BECAUSE I AM
20:24:54 GOING TO TAKE MY OWN ADVICE FROM COUNSEL FOR THE CITY.
20:24:59 I DON'T HAVE LAW DEGREE, ONLY COUNCILMAN VIERA, AND THAT
20:25:02 MIGHT NOT BE APPLICABLE IN COURT.
20:25:05 BUT I AM GOING TO AGREE WITH WHATEVER MS. WELLS SAID TO DO,
20:25:09 THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO DO.
20:25:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION TO REOPEN?
20:25:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM MAKING -- I AM MAKING A MOTION TO
20:25:15 REOPEN BASED UPON ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY CATE WELLS TO
20:25:20 REOPEN.
20:25:21 >>CATE WELLS: TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REZONING APPLICATION
20:25:24 UNDER ITEM NUMBER 3.
20:25:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE HEARING WAS
20:25:30 CLOSED.
20:25:31 >>CATE WELLS: I WILL DEFER TO YOU ON THE PROCEDURE OF WHEN
20:25:33 IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TAKE ACTION.
20:25:34 MY ADVICE TO CITY COUNCIL IS THAT THEY CONSIDER THE
20:25:37 APPLICATION THAT HAS BEEN FILED AS ITEM NUMBER 3 ON THE
20:25:41 REZONING, AND CONSIDER IT BASED UPON THE MERITS AND MAKE A
20:25:44 DECISION BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT IT COMPLIES WITH THE LAND
20:25:46 DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
20:25:50 BUT I WILL DEFER TO YOU, MR. SHELBY, AS THE CITY COUNCIL
20:25:53 ATTORNEY AS TO PROCEDURE.
20:25:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THEN,
20:25:56 COUNCIL, THAT AS MR. MIRANDA HAS STATED THAT THIS WAS
20:26:00 SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN TOGETHER, AND YOU HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING
20:26:03 THAT YOU NEED TO HEAR, YOU HAVE TAKEN IN THE EVIDENCE THAT
20:26:07 YOU NEED TO WEIGH THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO
20:26:10 WEIGH THE DECISION.
20:26:11 AND THAT BEING SAID, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE
20:26:19 ORDINANCE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE
20:26:21 THAT YOU DON'T REOPEN.
20:26:24 IS THERE A MOTION ALREADY TO REOPEN?
20:26:27 YOU DIDN'T VOTE ON IT YET.
20:26:28 SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO NOT REOPEN THE HEARING BECAUSE
20:26:32 THERE IS NO PURPOSE TO REOPENING THE HEARING BUT ACTUALLY TO
20:26:36 MOVE FORWARD TO COMPLETE IT BY TAKING A VOTE.
20:26:38 AND AGAIN, STATEMENTS OF FACT WHICH YOU RELY ON IN ORDER TO
20:26:45 MAKE YOUR DECISION, PLEASE.
20:26:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
20:26:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY YOU LEARN SOMETHING EVERY
20:26:52 DAY, AND I LEARN SOMETHING EVERY DAY AND NIGHT BECAUSE WE
20:26:56 HAVE BEEN HERE DAY AND NIGHT.
20:26:57 BUT I LEARNED SOMETHING EVERY DAY AND THAT I WILL NEVER OPEN
20:27:01 TWO AT THE SAME TIME AGAIN, EVER.
20:27:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST WAIT.
20:27:06 [ LAUGHTER ]
20:27:08 JUST WAIT.
20:27:12 OKAY.
20:27:13 DO WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO REOPEN THIS?
20:27:17 >> NO.
20:27:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, WAS THERE A MOTION MADE AND A
20:27:24 SECONDED