TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JULY 28, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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09:03:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING HELD TODAY ON JULY
28, 2022.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION TODAY.
WILL EVERYONE PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING AFTER THE
INVOCATION FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:04:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD MORNING.
TODAY, I HAVE THE PLEASURE TO HAVE CHRISTIE COLER HERE,
THE MANAGER AT SPCA TAMPA BAY, THE ONLY NONPROFIT ANIMAL
WELFARE AGENCY THAT RUNS AN ALL ANIMAL SHELTER AND
VETERINARY HOSPITAL IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
CHRISTIE TELLS THE UPLIFTING STORIES OF ANIMALS HEALING AND
FINDING HOMES AT THE LARGO SHELTER MAKE SURE THAT DONORS SEE
HOW THEY ARE CHANGING LIVES WITH THEIR SUPPORT.
AS A FOR-ALL SHELTER, SPCA DOES NOT TURN AWAY
ANIMALS LOOKING FOR REHOMING OR FARM ANIMALS OR STRAYS AND
ORPHANED WILDLIFE.
09:04:45AM >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR HAVING US THIS MORNING.
LET US BOW OUR HEADS.
ETERNAL SPIRIT, WE COME TOGETHER THIS MORNING IN SERVICE TO
OUR COMMUNITY.
LET US BEGIN WITH GRATITUDE FOR ALL THAT BRINGS US JOY,
FAMILY, FRIENDS, PETS, AND CREATURES OF ALL KINDS.
REMEMBER THAT WE ARE STEWARDS OF ALL LIVING THINGS.
GUIDE US TO SERVE WITH COMPASSION RATHER THAN JUDGMENT.
TO HELP THOSE IN NEED WITH KINDNESS AND TO STAND FOR THOSE
WHO CANNOT STAND ALONE.
HELP US TO ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT WE MUST SPEAK FOR THE
VOICELESS AND CARE FOR THE BROKEN.
REMIND US THAT IT IS OUR DIFFERENCES -- IN OUR DIFFERENCE
THAT'S WE ARE STRONGER AND HELP US BUILD BRIDGES ACROSS ALL
THAT DIVIDES US.
FINALLY, HELP US TO LEARN FROM THE ANIMALS WHO SHARE OUR
HOMES TO FIND JOY IN OUR SIMPLE BLESSINGS, TO BE PRESENT IN
EACH MOMENT, AND TO LOVE WITHOUT LIMITS.
HEAR OUR HUMBLE PRAYER AND PLEASE GUIDE US IN OUR SERVICE.
AMEN.
09:05:50AM >> AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:06:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE BE SEATED.
ROLL CALL.
09:06:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:06:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:06:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:06:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:06:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:06:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:06:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:06:20AM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:06:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. MASSEY.
09:06:26AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
THIS IS THE JULY 28, 2022 MEETING OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL HELD THIRD FLOOR AT 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING IN PERSON OR VIEW
IT CABLE TELEVISION 640 OR FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 OR VIA THE
INTERNET, WWW.TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING DURING
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER
EITHER HERE IN PERSON IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR VIRTUALLY
BY WAY OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
THE USE OF CMT DOES REQUIRE PREREGISTRATION FROM THE CITY
CLERK'S OFFICE.
DIRECTION OF PREREGISTRATION IS NOTED IN THE MEETING AND ON
THE AGENDA.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN QUASI-JUDICIAL
MATTERS BY CMT BUT SMARTPHONES AND CELL PHONES ARE NOT
COMPATIBLE BECAUSE NOT ALLOW YOUR CAMERA ACCESS WHEN
CONNECTED.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACT WITH A TABLET OR COMPUTER WITH A CAMERA
AND MICROPHONE TO ENABLE YOU TO BE SEEN AND HEARD BY CITY
COUNCIL AND ALL OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL
MATTER.
SINCE WE HAVE A LARGE CROWD, MAKE SURE YOUR CELL PHONES ARE
ON SILENT.
KEEP THE CHATTER DOWN, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
A MOTION WAIVING CITY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES BY CMT
CITIZENS.
09:07:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, MR. MASSEY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE A LOT OF CHANGES TO OUR
AGENDA.
WE WILL BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH THOSE AT THIS TIME JUST TO MAKE
SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
TODAY WE HAVE SOME WALK-ONES WHICH WE WILL TAKE.
SENATOR CRUZ WILL BE FIRST -- BUT NOT RIGHT NOW -- SENATOR
CRUZ, SORRY.
WE HAVE WALK-ON ITEMS.
THE FIRST WALK-ON ITEM FILE NO. 2022-48.
REBECCA JOHNS WILL GO NUMBER TWO.
AFTER THAT AND THEN MISS AUSTIN IS GOING TO COME ON AND WE
ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT OUR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
IS THAT FINE WITH YOU, MISS AUSTIN?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S GO TO THE STAFF AGENDA.
AND THAT WILL BE -- SORRY, MISS AUSTIN WILL BE WITH THE
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE WITH THOSE.
09:08:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE STATE REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART
IF WE CAN FIT HER IN.
SHE HAS TO GET IN A PLANE BY 10:30.
IF WE CAN MAKE AN ACCOMMODATION FOR HER, SIR.
09:09:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:09:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT THAT.
09:09:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SHE SHOULD HAVE TIME TO MAKE IT OVER WHERE SHE HAS TO GO.
09:09:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
09:09:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:09:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.
NUMBER 4.
YES, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT ONE.
NUMBER 5, YES, BECAUSE BRAD BAIRD WILL BE ALSO ASKING FOR A
FEW THINGS.
NUMBER 6.
I DO HEAR A YES TO KEEP CHIEF O'CONNOR HERE FOR THAT?
09:09:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE THAT.
09:09:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HE IS NOT HERE --
09:09:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE IS RIGHT THERE.
09:09:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:09:55AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM SORRY.
WHAT WAS THAT?
09:09:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT WAS FOR CHIEF O'CONNOR TO APPEAR.
THAT WAS YOUR MOTION.
MONETARY SUPPORT FOR VICTIMS OF --
09:10:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, YEAH.
AND IT WASN'T -- IF I MAY, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY -- JUST A
REPRESENTATIVE FROM TPD IS FINE.
WHOEVER.
09:10:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE NUMBER 7.
THAT WAS ALSO YOUR MOTION.
YES, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THAT ONE?
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA OR COUNCILMAN GUDES,
WHICHEVER.
NUMBER 8?
09:10:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:10:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 9?
09:10:36AM >> YES.
09:10:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
10?
09:10:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
THAT WILL BE FINE.
09:10:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
11.
09:10:44AM >> YES.
CITIZENS.
09:10:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND 12?
09:10:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:10:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
13?
09:10:55AM >> YES.
09:10:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
14?
09:10:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD SAY WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE
THAT ITEM.
LET'S CONTINUE IT TO AUGUST 25 THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL SESSION
THAT IS NOT NEXT WEEK UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:11:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU.
09:11:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER.
WE KEEP CONTINUING IT.
WE WILL CONTINUE IT AGAIN.
ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE?
OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE?
09:11:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS UNDER OUR CITY COUNTY ATTORNEY
MARTIN SHELBY.
MARTIN SHELBY HAS TAKEN THE DAY OFF TODAY.
THAT HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED WITH HIM SINCE HE WILL BE THE LEAD
ON THAT WHEN HE RETURNS.
NUMBER 16.
09:11:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE TO DISCUSS.
09:11:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
09:11:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE DON'T NEED A FACILITATOR OR MARTY.
WE NEED A DISCUSSION AMONG OURSELVES AND DIRECT LEGAL TO
DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT WILL GO ON THE BALLOT.
09:12:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S CONTINUE 13 AND 14 TO AUGUST 25 SO
IT IS TOGETHER.
I APOLOGIZE.
09:12:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AUGUST 25.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
09:12:28AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ITEM 15, THAT IS MR. SHELBY'S ITEM AS WELL.
I CAN CIRCULATE THE CURRENT RESOLUTION THAT CREATES THAT
COMMITTEE SO YOU ALL CAN LOOK AT IT.
IF YOU WANT A DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK, YOU DO HAVE A REGULAR
MEETING NEXT WEEK.
09:12:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
09:12:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:12:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
09:12:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
JUST ON 16 THAT WE -- THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THAT ITEM AND IF --
WE COULD PUT IT AT THE END OF THE DAY AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME WE CAN PUT IN MORE TIME.
WE WILL NOT HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR MARTY'S ADVICE.
BUT COME UP WITH THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE LEGAL TO DRAFT.
09:13:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST -- LET'S TALK
ABOUT IT.
09:13:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE IS A AUGUST 23 DEADLINE.
09:13:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE IT ON A CITY
COLLECTION.
09:13:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALWAYS ON A CITY ELECTION.
09:13:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY.
09:13:26AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE WORKSHOPS AND DISCUSSIONS -- YOU COULD
HAVE IT SO ANY CHANGES TO THE CHARTER YOU WOULD LIKE TO
PROPOSE WILL BE PLACED ON THE SPRING BALLOT, THE CITY
ELECTION BALLOT.
09:13:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO HIT THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
WE HAVE TIME.
NUMBER 13, THAT DOESN'T RELY ON MARTY.
CITY STAFF SAYS THEY HAVE INSURANCE FOR US AND OBVIOUSLY
THEY DON'T.
WE NEED TO FIND A REPLACEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MECHANISM WE NEED TO FIND A REPLACEMENT
BUT LEAVING IT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF A POLITICAL APPOINTEE
DOES NO THE WORK.
THEY ARE LEAVING US OUT TO HANG.
13 -- WE WILL DISCUSS WHEN WE GET TO 13.
09:14:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE JUST MADE A MOTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESCIND YOUR MOTION, COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
09:14:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU ARE READY TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY,
I WILL RESCIND THE MOTION.
09:14:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL RESCIND MY SECOND.
09:14:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE WILL LEAVE 13 ON THE AGENDA.
DOES THAT CLEAR UP STAFF REPORTS.
09:14:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE HAVE SOME THINGS FROM CONSENT THAT
ARE GOING TO COME UP TO STAFF.
09:14:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR --
09:14:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT ITEM NUMBER 43.
09:14:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HANG ON ONE SECOND, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:14:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN PULLED?
OKAY, GREAT.
09:14:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THOSE THINGS ARE FINE.
09:14:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 70 ALREADY I AM NOT PULLING IT BUT
WHEN WE COME TO IT --
09:14:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT IS THE FERRY SERVICE.
I -- I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SEEING IT WHEN IT WAS OPERATING
BEFORE HERE.
AND I DON'T SUPPORT THAT.
BY JUST WANT TO TELL YOU AHEAD.
I AM NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO PULL IT OR ANYTHING.
09:15:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM 70.
A SUBSTITUTE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED ANYWAY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
09:15:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE A LOT OF DEEP ISSUE WITH A LOT OF
BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
SOME OF THE PUBLIC HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ENOUGH NOTICE TO
REVIEW.
BUT NUMBER 43 AND 44 ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
PUBLIC IS VERY MUCH AGAINST THESE.
WE CAN SPEND A LONG TIME TALKING ABOUT THESE TODAY, BUT AN
IMPORTANT MEETING ON FRIDAY WHERE THE WATER DEPARTMENT WAS
SUPPOSE TO MEET WITH THE CONSTITUENTS, FRIENDS OF THE RIVER
AND SIERRA CLUB.
THAT MEETING WAS CANCELLED AND SIERRA CLUB IS IN THE DARK
AND THEY WILL GIVE FEEDBACK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT BUT THEY
HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO FULLY STUD TEST.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE 43 AND 44 UNTIL SEPTEMBER
15.
09:15:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:15:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:16:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:16:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:16:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:16:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
09:16:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:16:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
09:16:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
09:16:20AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:16:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:16:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE AGENDA.
09:16:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:16:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.
09:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DID YOU VOTE.
09:16:42AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK COUNCILMAN VIERA --
09:16:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH HIS AUDIO.
09:16:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE TOUGH TO HEAR YOU.
I.T., CAN YOU RAISE THE VOLUME?
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.
09:17:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I VOTED ON THAT.
I VOTED YES.
IF EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME.
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AND I RELEASED A MEMO TO COUNCIL.
I TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE RIGHT NOW.
I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO GO TO CEREMONIAL AND PUBLIC
COMMENT.
I HAVE SOME THINGS I HAVE TO DO FOR MY HEALTH RIGHT NOW SO I
WILL BE BACK EITHER DURING THE MIDDLE OF PUBLIC COMMENT OR
AFTER.
I JUST WANT TO BE HERE FOR MOST OF THE VOTING ITEMS.
SO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION.
IF I AM NOT ON, IT IS BECAUSE I AM TAKING CARE OF SOMETHING.
SO JUST FYI, THANK YOU.
09:17:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SENATOR CRUZ.
09:17:37AM >> HI, REBECCA JOHNS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS THE FIRST WALK-ON RESOLUTION.
THIS IS WHERE YOU WANTED TO TAKE IT.
09:17:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
YES, MA'AM.
09:17:58AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
SO THE STATE LEGISLATURE EARLIER THIS YEAR
HAD PURSUANT TO THEIR AUTHORITY DESIGNATED A PORTION OF
COLUMBUS MAXIMINO CAPDEVILA ROAD AS AN HONORARY DESIGNATION.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING
THAT.
AND THAT DIRECTS D.O.T. TO ERECT MARKERS ON COLUMBUS AVENUE.
SO THE HONORABLE SENATOR JANET CRUZ IS HERE TO PRESENT AND
EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
09:18:31AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
AS SENATOR CRUZ COMES UP, SINCE THIS IS AN
ITEM YOU ARE VOTING ON, ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO
WISHES TO COMMENT ON THE RESOLUTION SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO
COMMENT BEFORE YOU ALL VOTE.
09:18:42AM >> GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS AND MOST OF YOU ARE FRIENDS THAT I
HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WELCOME.
I HAVEN'T HAD THE HONOR OF MEETING YOU YET.
I ALSO SEE A LOT OF FIRST RESPONDERS HERE.
AND I FEEL VERY SAFE IN THE CHAMBERS RIGHT NOW.
THEY ARE HERE FOR ANY KIND OF SALARY INCREASE, YOU HAVE MY
PERMISSION.
I AM HAPPY TO AMEND ANYTHING THAT WILL HELP IT.
SO, THANK YOU.
09:19:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN YOU WORK IT INTO YOUR BUDGET THIS YEAR?
09:19:08AM >> EXACTLY.
EXACTLY.
I'M HERE TO HONOR SOME FRIENDS AND MOST OF US WHO HAVE BEEN
HERE FOR SEVERAL GENERATIONS KNOW FAMILIES THAT CAME OVER,
DIDN'T SPEAK ANY ENGLISH, AND WENT TO WORK.
AND THE MAXIMINO CAPDEVILA FAMILY, THEY IMMIGRATED FROM CUBA
TO THE UNITED STATES ON THE FREEDOM FLIGHT TO MIAMI.
THEY WERE FLEEING CUBA LIKE SO MANY OTHERS FOR A BETTER LIFE
FOR THEIR BOYS AFTER FIDEL CASTRO AND COMMUNISM TOOK OVER.
EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH AND HAD NO TIES IN
TAMPA, MAXIMINO AND GOLINA CAPDEVILA.
THEY KNEW THEY COULD HAVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.
SETTLED IN TAMPA WITH FOUR BOYS, GOOD MORNING -- JORGE, BUT
WE CALLED HIM GEORGE, ALBERT. LOUIS AND MAXY JR.
AND AFTER SAVING THEIR MONEY THEY DECIDED TO OPEN THEIR OWN
BUSINESS AND BOUGHT THEIR OWN STOREFRONT LA TERESITA
GROCERY.
A JOY ON SATURDAY MORNINGS AS A VERY YOUNG CHILD TO GO TO LA
TERESITA -- GO BACK TO THE BUTCHER SHOP.
ALL THESE GUYS -- ALL THESE BOYS WORKED SATURDAYS.
NOTHING ELSE THAT THEY DID BUT WORK.
THERE WAS NO -- NO, YOU KNOW, SPORTS OR ANYTHING.
THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR SUPPORTING THEIR FAMILIES.
SO IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE -- IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE MEAT
DEPARTMENT IN THE BACK OF THE STORE, THESE FOUR GUYS WERE
BACK THERE.
IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE JOY TO BUY YOUR MEAT BECAUSE THEY ARE
KIDDING WITH EACH OTHER.
HER KID WITH EVERY WOMAN THAT COMES IN.
AND THEY ARE LAUGHING.
IT IS SUCH A GOOD AND POSITIVE EXPERIENCE.
THESE PEOPLE WORKED VERY HARD AND NEVER LOST THEIR SENSE OF
HUMOR AND THEIR SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
AND THIS FAMILY AND THE BOYS AND THE FAITH IN GOD WENT ON TO
WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THE AMERICAN DREAM A REALITY.
SO MANY OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE SUCCESS CAME WITH A
BIG PRICE.
THEY WORKED, AS I SAID BEFORE, FROM 7:00 IN THE MORNING
UNTIL 11:00 AT NIGHT.
365 TE AS YEAR YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.
BUT THE FRUITS OF THE CAPDEVILAS LABOR GREW AND THE SMALL
STORE BECAME A SUPERMARKET WITH FISH AND BEEF MARKET AND
COFFEE SHOP WITH A LARGE CUSTOMER BASE.
SOON THE RESTAURANT SEATING WAS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO MEET THE
CUSTOMERS' DEMAND AND THE FAMILY MADE THE DECISION TO BUY
THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUPERMARKET AND A
SMALL RESTAURANT AND COFFEE SHOP.
WE ALL SAT AT THAT COUNTER IN THE MORNING AND HAD A
WONDERFUL CUP OF CAFE CON LECHE AND VISITED WITH MANY
FRIENDS.
IT IS A WEST TAMPA LANDMARK.
LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WEST TAMPA.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, IT WILL ALWAYS BE WEST TAMPA.
IT IS NOT MIDTOWN.
09:22:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOPE.
09:22:20AM >> IT IS WEST TAMPA.
THAT IS ALL.
LA TERESITA SERVES THOUSANDS WEEKLY AND HONORED TO HOST
AND SERVE PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES, GOVERNORS,
MAYORS, ALL CULTURES AND ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
AND THIS FAMILY'S SUCCESS CONTINUE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY
AND THE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH GREAT FOOD AND
AN EVEN BETTER ATMOSPHERE.
THE CAPDEVILAS ARE A PERFECT UP EXAMPLE OF OPPORTUNITY.
YOU CAN FLEE EVILS OF COMMUNISM.
COME TO A FOREIGN LAND WITH NOTHING AND CREATE A BLOSSOMING
BUSINESS AND ENJOY FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.
IT IS FOR THE CAPDEVILAS AND OTHER HARDWORKING FAMILIES THAT
I ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE SUPPORT A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING A
PORTION OF COLUMBUS DRIVE AS MAXIMINO CAPDEVILA ROAD.
AND THAT IS -- THAT IS ALL, COUNCILMEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE FAMILY WITH THE PERMISSION OF
THE COUNCIL, LET THEM MAKE COMMENTS.
09:23:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
09:23:34AM >> A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.
I HAVE KNOWN MANY OF YOU FOR MANY YEARS AND WE THANK YOU FOR
YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND IT IS AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT MY DAD AT THIS
HOUR.
DAD HAS BEEN 11 YEARS GONE.
BUT THE LEGACY CONTINUES NOW INTO THE THIRD GENERATION.
SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
09:23:54AM >> WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BEING HERE.
WE APPRECIATE THE HONOR THAT YOU ALL PLACE ON MY DAD.
AND HIS DILIGENCE AND HEARD WORK.
MY DAD AND MY MOM.
SO WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL, HONORED AND HUMBLED.
THANK YOU.
09:24:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:24:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING THE AMERICAN
DREAM AND REMINDING US ALL OF THE KEY VALUES THAT WE ALL
NEEDS TO WORK TOWARD AND PROTECT.
AND THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PLACES
TO HAVE THE IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS OF TAMPA.
ALL THE IMPORTANT BUSINESS GOES ON THERE.
SO THANK YOU.
09:24:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:24:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU SENATOR CRUZ FOR SPEARHEADING
THIS AND HOSTS A WONDERFUL FAMILY.
YOUR FATHER'S PHOTO HANGS UP IN THE RESTAURANT.
I SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
I HAVE BEEN THERE ALL THE TIME.
I HAVE BEEN GOING FOR YEARS TO THE WEST TAMPA LANDMARK.
THERE WAS A WOMAN THAT TOOK CARE OF MY SISTER AND I AS WE
GREW UP RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
MY ENTIRE CHILDHOOD WAS PASSING BY THE ORIGINAL LA TERESITA
RESTAURANT AND I REMEMBER SEEING THE NEW ONE CONSTRUCTED.
I IS IT NOT MEET YOUR PARENTS.
MY MOTHER KNEW THEM.
MY GRANDPARENTS KNEW THEM.
THEY EMBODIED THE AMERICAN DREAM AND THEY SAY THE SAME
THING, HOW HARD TO RAISE YOU AND YOUR BROTHERS.
AND WHAT A WONDERFUL FAMILY YOU ARE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO WEST TAMPA.
YOU ARE A BELOVED FAMILY.
CONGRATULATIONS HONORING YOUR FATHER AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:25:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:25:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO ECHO THE OTHER COUNCILMEN AND
SAYING CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.
YOUR RESTAURANT HAS BEEN A LANDMARK.
WHEN I WAS A SMALL CHILD, I DO REMEMBER GOING.
AND WHEN I MOVED BACK TO TAMPA, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
PLACES I WENT.
IT IS AN ICONIC SPOT.
ACTUALLY I HAVE -- MY FAMILY IS FROM MIAMI.
AND MOST OF THEM HAVE LEFT, SO WHEN THEY COME VISIT ME IN
TAMPA, THAT IS WHERE I TAKE THEM, BECAUSE IT REMINDS THEM OF
THE GREAT FOOD THAT THEY CAN'T GET ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF TAMPA
AND MIAMI.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.
PETITION REALLY APPRECIATE THE -- AND HOPE THAT IT STAYS A
LANDMARK FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME.
09:26:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:26:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR YOU AND YOUR
FAMILY FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE SERVICE YOU HAVE GIVEN TO ORGANIZATIONS WHEN THEY NEED
DONATIONS AND FOOD.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MY FAVORITE DISH IS THE LIVER AND
ONIONS.
THAT'S WHERE I GO.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T SELL THAT OR EVEN LIKE THAT, BUT I AM GLAD
WE HAVE A PLACE THAT I CAN GO EAT THAT.
THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS TODAY.
09:26:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T KNOW I CAN FOLLOW THE LIVER
THING.
BUT -- [LAUGHTER] -- YOU EITHER EAT IT OR RUN AWAY FROM
IT, ONE OF THE TWO.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR FAMILY.
I HAVE KNOWN YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER WAY BACK.
THEY LIVED A BLOCK WHERE I LIVED.
THEY WERE WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS AND WONDERFUL PEOPLE.
I KNOW AT TIMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GROCERY STORE WAS
THERE, SOMETIMES SOMEBODY WAS A LITTLE SHORT, AND THEY JUST
MARKED IT DOWN ON THE BOOK AND A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER THEY
CAME AND CAUGHT UP.
SO IT'S A WONDERFUL THING TO SEE THAT PEOPLE THAT COME TO
THIS COUNTRY CAN DO SO WELL.
THEY DID IT FOR RUN REASON ONLY, PAUSE THEY WANTED TO.
THEY SACRIFICED THEIR YOUTH AND THEIR MIDDLE AGE TO HAVE A
FAMILY AND CREATE A BUSINESS THAT WAS ICON I CAN IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
YOU LOOK AT CAPDEVILA AND VIZCAYA, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS
260 MILES.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE OF THE NAME ELEMENTO, THE SAME CROWD.
IT IS AN ICON AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR
WHAT YOU DO.
YOU AND YOUR BROTHERS.
THANK YOU.
09:27:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU KNOW GOING TO LA TERESITA.
FOOD IS GREAT.
I GO FOR THE FOOD.
I STAY FOR THE CONVERSATION.
USUALLY THERE IS MORE POLITICS THERE THAN THERE IS IN THIS
CHAMBER.
AND THE PERSON WHO WINS THE CONVERSATION IS THE PERSON WHO
SPEAKS THE LOUDEST GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU.
THANK YOUR FAMILY.
AND FINALLY WE CAN HAVE A PORTION OF COLUMBUS NO LONGER
CALLED BOLICHE BOULEVARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THIS CHAMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO
THIS TODAY?
PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
09:28:42AM >> I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ASPECT OF HONORING THESE MEN
AND THEIR FAMILY.
I DON'T KNOW ANY -- ANY OF THEM AT ALL.
AND THE WAY THEY ARE ADDRESSED -- CITIZENS.
09:28:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVE YOUR NAME FOR THE SURE.
09:28:57AM >> MALIK ABDELA.
THE WAY THEY ARE ADDRESSED AND GIVEN THIS HONOR HERE, I
WOULD LIKE FOR THE AGENDA OF BLACK AMERICA TO BE GIVEN THE
SAME ACCORD.
09:29:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
DONE IN WEST TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAMILY.
AND ENJOY THIS HONOR.
09:29:24AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
GOD BLESS YOU.
09:29:26AM >> WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK SENATOR CRUZ FOR SUPPORTING US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:29:30AM >> MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO LET'S YOU KNOW THAT THE NEXT
STEP IS F.D.O.T. AND PREPARATION OF THE SIGN AND THE SIGN
CEREMONY.
AND MYSELF, ALONG WITH THE CAPDEVILA FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO
INVITE YOU TO JOIN US FOR THE UNVEILING OF THE SIGN AND
PROBABLY LUNCH AFTERWARDS, RIGHT?
09:29:49AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:29:50AM >> PLEASE JOIN US.
ALSO I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE AND LET
EVERYONE KNOW THAT A FEW YEARS AGO, I DID DO A ROAD NAMING
FOR THE PUBLISHER OF THE FLORIDA SENTINELS, MR. ANDREWS.
THAT SIGN IS ALREADY UP IN EAST TAMPA AND WE CELEBRATED THAT
SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:14AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
GOD BLESS.
09:30:16AM >> THANK YOU.
09:30:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OH, YES.
[APPLAUSE]
09:30:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REPRESENTATIVE HART.
09:30:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
I DO HAVE A TRIP AS YOU KNOW.
LEGISLATORS STAY WITH USE ALL THE TIME.
EVEN DURING THE ELECTION PERIOD AND I AM ALREADY ELECTED, SO
I AM ON THE GROUND REALLY RUNNING.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I JUST --
09:30:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REPRESENTATIVE, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
BUT FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:31:03AM >> REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART.
YOU NO LONGER GIVE ADDRESSES.
09:31:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS GOOD.
09:31:09AM >> WE USED TO GIVE AN ADDRESS TOO.
IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LISTENS AUDIENCE AND THE PEOPLE
HERE IN THE CHAMBER UNDERSTAND I AM NOT HERE TO TOO I TO
PREEMPT ANYTHING THAT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS DOING.
I WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT I UNDERSTAND
THAT THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS.
MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT BE WOULD HAVE CALLED FOR A CRISIS OUT
OF TALLAHASSEE.
BEING THAT IS NOT HAPPENED, BECAUSE IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN,
THEN MY ATTORNEY GENERAL CAN STEP IN AND STOP SOME OF THE
PRICE GOUGING THAT IS GOING ON RIGHT HERE IN OUR CITY.
AND YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT PROBABLY AS WELL AS ANYBODY.
BUT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.
SO I PERSONALLY, AS A CITIZEN WHO LIVES HERE IN THE CITY,
NOT AS REPRESENTATIVE, BUT JUST AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I AM
LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU ALL MOVING SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I WATCHED YOU ALL LAST WEEK.
I KNOW THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING
SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT THAT WOULD HELP WITH RENT
STABILIZATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THERE.
I AM NOT GOING TO TRY TO TELL YOU HOW TO GET THERE.
BUT I AM ASKING YOU ALL, PLEASE, WE MUST CONSIDER THAT EVERY
SINGLE DAY PEOPLE ARE GOING HOMELESS.
I RUN AN ORGANIZATION IN EAST TAMPA BUSINESS CIVIC
ASSOCIATION WHICH IS A HOUSING ORGANIZATION.
MY PHONE CALLS HAVE TRIPLED FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
GOING HOMELESS DUE TO THIS RENT -- THESE RENT INCREASES.
AND THE INABILITY TO FIND SOMEWHERE DECENT TO LIVE.
MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE WORKED WITH US, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
HOW WE BETTER SOME OF THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WE HAVE
IN OUR CITY.
IT GOES BACK TO SENATOR CRUZ AND I TO GO BACK TO TALLAHASSEE
TO IMPRESS UPON THEM HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO ALLOW YOU ALL ON
THE LOCAL LEVEL WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PEOPLE TO BE
ABLE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT GETTING IT DONE.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO STAY TO YOU ALL, I WILL GO BACK TO
TALLAHASSEE AND FIGHT AS HARD AS I CAN TO INCREASING FOR
THE SADOWSKY HOUSE FUND.
I KNOW THOSE DOLLARS ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS CITY AND ANY
OTHER DOLLARS WE CAN GET.
YOU ALL KNOW WE PUT FORTH MONEY FOR OUR FIRST -- YOU KNOW,
PRIMARY, POLICE, TEACHERS, THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE WITH THOSE
JOBS, BUT WE KNOW THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW HOMELESS
WITH NO JOBS SINCE COVID STILL NEEDS THAT SAME LEVEL OF
HEALTH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU OFFER IT, BUT I AM ASKING YOU AS A
CITIZEN, NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE, TO LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE
GET SOMETHING DONE FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE SUFFERING.
THEY REALLY ARE SUFFERING.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU ALL, I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING
ME TO COME BEFORE YOU.
I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN.
PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT.
I WILL, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE, DO WHATEVER I CAN TO CARRY
FORTH ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL THINK WE CAN DO FOR YOU IN
TALLAHASSEE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.
09:34:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:34:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU OFFLINE INDIVIDUALLY.
OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING REALLY HARD
TO PUT IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT EFFORTS AND I AM SURE MY
COLLEAGUES CAN TELL YOU AS WELL.
WE HAD EIGHT YEARS OF A MAYOR WHO FOR DOWN PUBLIC HOUSING
AND FOR DOWN AFFORDABLE HOUSING INSTEAD OF INCENTIVIZE IT.
AND MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS TO CATCH UP ON AND BEFORE THAT THE
GREAT RECESSION.
WE ARE TRYING TO REVERSE THOSE POLICIES THE LAST FEW YEARS.
TO MY RECOLLECTION WITH DECLARED A HOUSING STATE IT SHALL
EXCUSE ME A HOUSING CRISIS AND NOT A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
AND STATE LAW DEFINES WHAT THAT IS.
AND WE ARE TOLD BY LEGAL WE HAVE A STUDY TO DO THAT.
AND A LAW FROM 30, 40 YEARS AGO THAT ESSENTIALLY PROHIBITS
US FROM HAVING A RENT STABILIZATION.
LIMITS US TO A REFERENDUM AND 12 MONTHS.
ECONOMICS 101 TO ME SAY THAT'S WILL BE DEVASTATING FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY ABOUT TO GET KICKED OUT OF THEIR
HOMES.
YOU KNOW WHAT LANDLORDS ARE GOING TO DO IF THIS HE KNOW THAT
A 12-MONTH MORATORIUM.
DOUBLE AND TRIPLE THE RATES EVEN HIGHER AND MORE PEOPLE WILL
BE KICKED OUT.
ONE THING THAT I WOULD HIKE TO DO AND CITY COUNCIL WILL
UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORT, CHANGE THAT LAW THAT PREEMPTS US.
IF WE CAN CHANGE THAT PREEMPTION, WE CAN DO WHAT EVERYBODY
IN THE RED SHIRTS WANT US TO DO.
I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AND WE -- MIGHT
NOT HAVE THE VOTES IN THE LEGISLATURE, BUT I THINK WHAT I
WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ALL OF US REDIRECT OUR EFFORTS WITH YOUR
ADVICE AND LEADERSHIP TO CHANGE THIS LAW IN TALLAHASSEE TO
ALLOW US TO DO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
THANK YOU.
09:36:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:36:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I RESPECT MY COLLEAGUE AND HIS COMMENTS,
BUT I HAVE TO DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
I TOLD THE COMMUNITY I WILL RESEARCH AND GET BACK
INFORMATION.
I HAVE INFORMATION OF HOW THIS RELATES TO THE HOUSING CRISIS
EMERGENCY.
THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO.
NEVER SAY WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
LITTLE BIT LATER I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AND LOOK AT
INTRODUCING SOMETHING.
BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
IT DOESN'T TAKE 18 MONTHS.
DOESN'T TAKE ALL THIS BIG STUDY.
A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE BY LOCAL
MUNICIPALITIES.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WILL AND THE COURAGE JUST TO DO IT.
JUST TO DO IT.
PEOPLE TALK OF LEGAL FIGHTS.
I HAVE BEEN SUED.
PEOPLE SUE EVERY DAY.
WE HAVE ATTORNEYS TO FIGHT THOSE LAWSUITS.
TO ME I LOOK AT HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE
PEOPLE.
THEY ELECTED US TO DO A JOB.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE OTHER ISSUES.
WE HAVE TO FIGHT.
WHATEVER IS TURNED DOWN WILL BE TURNED DOWN.
AND I'M TALKING TO SOMETHING LATER ON IN REFERENCE TO TH
EMERGENCY CRISIS.
09:37:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:37:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE.
I NEVER FORGET ONE DOCTOR TOLD ME AREN'T YOU AFRAID OF
FALLING.
I SAID, WOMAN, I AM NOT.
I AM AFRAID OF LANDING.
THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT I SEE NOW.
WHEN YOU GO BACK AND AN ANALYTICAL STUDY WHAT WAS TORN DOWN,
LET'S FACE IT.
NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.
NOT IN GOOD CONDITION PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY.
AND THE PROBLEM IS ONCE YOU TEAR DOWN AND THE TIME YOU START
TO BUILD UP, IT TAKES TWO TO THREE YEARS.
SOMETIMES FOUR YEARS BECAUSE OF ALL THE LOOPHOLES YOU HAVE
TO GO THROUGH.
AND THESE THINGS ARE COMING ON BOARD.
CERTAINLY TAMPA HOUSING HAS DONE THEIR PART.
THE DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE THEIR PART.
IN CITY AND GOVERNMENT HAS DONE THEIR PART.
IT TAKES TIME.
BUT EVEN THEN, BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY WE HAVE TODAY, THOSE
THAT ARE GOING RISING OR BEING LEFT OUT, THAT IS THE
PROBLEM.
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IN ITSELF THERE.
SO BEN YOU HAVE THOSE ITEMS.
AND YOU HAVE AN INFLATIONARY RATE AND SOMETHING IF THIS CUP
OF COFFEE SOLD FOR A DIME EIGHT YEARS AGO AND NOW IT IS A
DOLLAR, WHAT CAUSES THE INDIVIDUALS THAT BUY THAT COMPLEX.
IF YOU BUY IT AT $8 MILLION OR $10 MILLION AND HAVE IT FOR
30 YEARS AND DEPRECIATE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN AND YOU SELL IT
FOR $40 MILLION.
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT.
I AM NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT, BUT THAT IS THE FACT WE ARE
DEALING WITH.
THOSE ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.
SOMETHING THAT WAS WORTH EIGHT OR TEN NOW WORTH 40.
BETWEEN THAT IS YOUR RENT INCREASE.
ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE RIGHT, I AM SAYING THAT IS ONE OF
THE FACTOR THAT'S I HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN I LOOK AT THESE
THINGS.
AND IT JUST -- TIME HEALS WOUNDS.
BUT WOUNDS DON'T HEAL TIMES.
A SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN.
WE ARE TRYING TO HELP AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
EVEN IF WE START GIVING OUT FUNDS SOMEWHERE TO PERPETUATE
THE RENT INCREASE.
THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF IS THIS.
WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME WILL THE FUNDS LAST.
WILL THEY LAST FOREVER?
EVEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT CAN BORROW MONEY AND BE IN
DEBT, NO CITY GOVERNMENT CAN WORK IN THE RED.
IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
YOU NEED A BUDGET THAT MEETS YOUR DEMANDS AND THAT'S WHAT IT
IS ALL ABOUT.
I AM NOT HERE TO TALK AND LECTURE ANYONE.
I DON'T DO THOSE THINGS.
I AM SAYING THAT REALITY IS REALITY, YOU HAVE TO FACE
YOURSELF UP -- LOOK AT ARE YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR IN THE
MORNING AND BE TRUTHFUL WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU.
GO IN THAT WAY.
THAT IS HOW I WAS BROUGHT UP.
YOU MAY CALL ME OLD-FASHIONED AND I TAKE THAT, YOU KNOW
WHAT, AS AN HONOR BECAUSE YOU AT LEAST RECOGNIZE ME.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN TALLAHASSEE.
GOD BLESS YOU AND I KNOW THE ODDS ARE AGAINST YOU BECAUSE
THE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH.
THANK YOU.
09:40:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:40:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU IN ANY REGARD.
I -- WHAT WE -- I BELIEVE THAT -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
CAN DO NOW AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ALLUDED TO IT.
AND I -- AND I SOMEWHAT DISAGREE.
I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW WITH THE BUDGET WE HAVE, WE DON'T --
WE HISTORICALLY -- WE TOOK AWAY HOUSING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT HOUSING SO WE ARE
TRYING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ACTUALLY BUILD THAT HOUSING
BACK.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT DO WE DO?
WE HAVE AN R-MAP PROGRAM TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE BRIDGE THOSE
GAPS.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS FOR US TO USE THE MONEY THAT WE
HAVE GAINED THROUGH THE -- THROUGH THESE HISTORIC PROPERTY
TAX INCREASES TO HAVE MONEY FOR THE PROGRAM.
UNTIL WE HAVE MORE HOUSING WE NEED TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THE
HOUSE THAT THEY HAVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.
NOT AN ANSWER AND CERTAINLY WE CAN'T DO IT FOREVER, BUT
ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
AND WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE -- IT'S -- IT IS THE SAME CRISIS, YOU ARE RIGHT,
THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS FACING.
WE ARE VOTING ON GIVING OUR CITY EMPLOYEES TODAY -- WE ARE
VOTING ON THEIR CONTRACTS.
AND THESE ARE HISTORICALLY HIGH CONTRACTS BECAUSE OF
INFLATION AND BECAUSE OF WHAT EVERYONE HAS GONE THROUGH.
AND WE WANT TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES AND GIVE THEM WHAT WE CAN.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE CITIZENS AND HOW CAN WE HELP THEM?
WE CAN HELP THEM BY GIVING THIS MONEY THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE
HAVE GAINED, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE TO HELP KEEP PEOPLE
IN HOUSING.
I DON'T DISAGREE WE NEED A TON MORE HOUSING.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THAT IS THE VERY LEAST WE CAN TO DO
HELP KEEP PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.
I BELIEVE WE CAN HELP AN ABSOLUTE LARGE NUMBER OF FOLKS.
WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A HOUSING HOTLINE THAT FOLKS CAN CALL
TO GET ON THE WAIT LIST.
BUT WE ALSO NEED -- WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THAT WAIT LIST.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICATION ARE CORRECT.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SERVED YET, WE NEED FOR TO YOU CALL IN
AND FIGURE OUT WHAT -- WHAT IS MISSING FROM YOUR
APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE COULD PROBABLY WORK TOGETHER WITH YOUR
OFFICE TO TRY TO GET THOSE APPLICATIONS COMPLETE.
SO WE CAN SERVE THE POPULATION.
I KNOW WE HAVE USED HALF OF THE MONEY THAT WE ALLOCATED.
I KNOW WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY LEFT.
SO I WOULD -- THAT IS IMMEDIATELY WHERE WE CAN HELP.
09:42:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:42:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE HART FOR BEING HERE.
LAST WEEKENDS, I BUMPED INTO A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY
FAMILIAR WITH TALLAHASSEE AND THE DISCUSSION OF AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
AND THEY SAID TALLAHASSEE WILL NOT LET YOU FIX THIS, BUT YOU
HAVE TO USE ALL THE TOOLS IN YOUR TOOLBOX TO DO WHAT YOU CAN
TO MOVE THE NEEDLE AND HELP THE PEOPLE IN THIS EMERGENCY
THAT WE HAVE.
SO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POINT, I WANT TO PARTNER WITH
YOU, WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU.
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN YOU.
WE KNOW YOU ARE A FIGHTER TO HELP MOVE THE NEEDLE AND MAKE
CHANGES IN TALLAHASSEE TO BENEFIT ALL FLORIDIANS, INCLUDING
HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION, IF THIS WAS A MENU, WE
ARE AT THE APPETIZER.
IF WE DON'T USE ALL THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX WITHIN THE
LIMITS OF THE LAW AND WITHIN THE LIMITS OF OUR JURISDICTION
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO EVERYTHING, PREHE THINKS OR WHAT NOT.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE ON THE STREETS THAT ARE TRYING
TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES.
WE UNDERSTAND INFLATION AND THE COST OF RENT.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN -- AND COMPASSION.
WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN.
WE BELIEVE IN YOUR LEADERSHIP.
WE BELIEVE IN YOU AND STAND WITH YOU AND YOUR VOICE IS HEARD
IN TALLAHASSEE AND WE ARE STANDING BEHIND YOU.
09:44:23AM >> THANK YOU.
09:44:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REPRESENTATIVE HEART.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US YOUR OPINION.
WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU WILL BE THE LEADER IN TALLAHASSEE.
WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN TALLAHASSEE TO LIFT THE
RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON US.
BECAUSE WITHOUT YOUR HELP, THINGS LIKE THE SIDOWSKI FUND
WILL CONTINUE TO BE DRAINED FOR NO GOOD REASON AT ALL.
THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
WE NEED YOUR HELP.
SAFE TRAVELS PLEASE.
09:44:54AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS MORNING.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH EACH OF YOU IN WHATEVER WAY
WE CAN.
IF YOU HAVE IDEAS, LEGISLATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I MEAN, WE SIT THERE, BUT WE ARE NOT THE MAGIC BRAIN THAT
COME UP WITH ALL THESE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, IT COMES FROM
PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOURSELF AND PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING HERE IN
THIS AUDIENCE, THAT IS HOW WE GET BILL LANGUAGE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE, THAT IS THEIR JOB JUST TO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO IF YOU ALL HAVE IDEAS, I AM ALWAYS OPEN TO LISTEN AND
CARRY ANYTHING THAT I CAN.
I JUST ASK THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER THIS, PLEASE DO USE ALL OF
YOUR TOOLS IN YOUR TOOLBOX.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:45:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
MISS JOHNS.
09:45:47AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
WE ALREADY HEARD MINE.
09:45:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OH, OKAY.
09:46:00AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE THE NEXT WALK-ON.
09:46:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
WE ARE GOING TO GO TO SERMONIALS NOW.
09:46:08AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
MINE WAS THE ROADWAY DESIGNATION.
09:46:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:46:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS LOOKING IN THE AUDIENCE TRYING TO FIND
BUTCH DELGADO AND I COULDN'T FIND HIM.
I WAS LOOKING AND LOOKING BECAUSE HE IS NOT WEARING A
UNIFORM.
I SHOULD SAYS IT ONLY A FEW TIMES A YEAR THAT WE, THE CITY
COUNCIL, HAS A CHANCE TO THANK THE MEN AND WOMEN -- A FEW
MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE SEE IN THE MEDIA SOMETIMES EXCEPTIONAL CASES, BUT WE
HAVE GOT A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF HARD-WORKING MEN AND WOMEN
WHO ESPECIALLY WORKED HARD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND I WANT TO THANK THEM
I AM SURE MY COLLEAGUES WOULD THANK THEM.
EVERYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD THANK THEM FOR WHAT
THEY HAVE DONE AND TO GIVE A PLAQUE TO ALL THE PEOPLE
PROTECTING US EVERY DAY.
TODAY -- COME ON UP -- I WILL ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL THANK
BUTCH DELGADO.
RUBEN DELGADO.
IT IS CITY COUNCIL TO COMMEND REUBEN DELGADO AFTER 24 YEARS
OF DEDICATION TO THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OF THE NEARLY
QUARTER CENTURY SERVICE, YOU SERVED SUPPORT SERVICES,
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WHERE YOU PLAYED A CRUCIAL ROLE IN
CAPTURING THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS SERIAL KILLER IN 2015.
SAFETY PLANNING FOR SUPER BOWL 55 IN 2021.
SERVING YOUR HOMETOWN AS INTERIM CHIEF TO SPEARHEADED THE
EFFORTS OF CIVIL RIGHTS AND RIGHT OF A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE.
AND WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL TO RESTRUCTURE THE CRIME FREE
HOUSING PROGRAM.
PROTECTING AND SERVING AS A HIGHER CALLING, YOU WANT TO MAKE
YOUR HOMETOWN A BETTER PLACE.
WE WISH YOU WELL IN YOUR NEXT CHAPTER.
IS YOUR WIFE HERE?
COME ON UP.
WE HAVE BEEN DOING ON THESE PRESENTATION DAYS, AND BECAUSE
OF SCHEDULING AND HAVE HIS WIFE -- I NEVER MET YOU IN
PERSON.
I ONLY MET YOU ONLINE.
HER BEST FRIEND IS SOMEONE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH.
SMALL WORLD.
ANYWAY, ON BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING OR HIM -- BUTCH, YOU WANT TO
SAY SOMETHING.
09:48:36AM >> I WILL SAY A FEW THINGS.
I WILL MAKE IT QUICK BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BUSY AGENDA.
REAL FAST WE HAD THE CEREMONY BACK.
I AM HONORED BEING RECOGNIZED BY COUNCIL.
IT MEANS A LOT AND GO I WAS ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU
PUBLICLY BOTH COLLECTIVELY AS A GROUP AND INDIVIDUALLY FOR
EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
WE ALWAYS DIDN'T AGREE ON TOPICS.
WE DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE THE SAME SOLUTIONS.
BUT I THINK AT THE END, WE BOTH DEALT WITH IT WITH RESPECT.
EVERYBODY WAS VERY RESPECTFUL FOR ME.
GAVE GOOD ADVICE OFFLINE, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO WHAT WAS
BEST FOR THE CITY AT THE TIME.
I THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.
SOMETIMES THERE IS A LOT OF CITIES THAT DOESN'T WORK WITH
POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
SO THE FACT THAT THIS AGENCY HAS THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH
COUNCIL, IT MEANS A LOT.
THAT IS A TRIBUTE TO THE THOUSAND MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE
WORKING AT THAT AGENCY.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T -- I DIDN'T GET ANY OF THESE ACHIEVEMENTS,
NONE OF THIS STUFF IN THIS COMMENDATION HAPPENS WITHOUT THE
REST OF THE GROUP BEHIND ME.
SO A GREAT AGENCY.
YOU GUYS -- IT WAS A GOOD RIDE.
24 YEARS WAS A GOOD RIDE.
AND I AM NOT DONE IN TAMPA.
I AM STILL WORKING HERE LOCALLY.
I AM NOT DONE SERVING THE PLACE I AM AT NOW.
THEY HAVE GIVEN BACK, LIKE, $7 MILLION TO THE CITY OVER THE
LAST FEW YEARS.
I WILL BE AROUND.
YOU WILL SEE MY FACE AROUND.
I STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL.
I KNOW IT IS BUSY AND I WILL STOP TALK IN A SECOND.
24 YEARS YOU DON'T DO IT BY YOURSELF OBVIOUSLY MEN AND WOMEN
AND MY FAMILY, GRACE AND THE KIDS, MANY NIGHTS I HE WANTS
THERE.
I WAS WORKING -- DURING SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, 51 DAYS I WASN'T
HOME AND THEY WERE AT HOME WONDER WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL PUBLICLY FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
AND, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:50:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:50:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CARLSON, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE THE
WIFE AND THE DAUGHTER.
09:50:36AM >> BECAUSE I FAILED TO DO IT.
[LAUGHTER]
09:50:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM FROM WEST TAMPA.
09:50:42AM >> I GOT NERVOUS WHEN THEY WERE TALKING OF TAKING STUFF FROM
LA TERESITA AND NOT PAYING FOR IT.
I HAVE A FEW THINGS.
09:50:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AT YOUR AGE, A NEW HAIRPIECE.
09:50:53AM >> I AM SORRY.
I APOLOGIZE.
THIS IS MY WIFE GRACE, MY DAUGHTER KENDALL AND MY SON CHASE,
HE HAD TO GET TO WORK SO HE LEFT.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
09:51:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOUR NICKNAME.
HOW -- IN THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY, EVERYBODY HAS A NICKNAME.
USED TO.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NOW.
SO IF IT IS NOT TOO.
09:51:16AM >> I WILL TELL YOU.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE STORY.
WHEN MY FATHER --
09:51:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAID IT A LONG TIME AGO.
09:51:23AM >> WHEN MY FATHER WAS GROWING UP FOR WHATEVER REASON, H
COULDN'T GIVE ME A GOOD EXPLANATION.
HE NEVER CALLED HIS DAD, DAD.
HE CALLED HIM BUTCH.
WHEN MY MOM WAS PREGNANT BEFORE SONOGRAM AND EVERYTHING
ELSE, MY GRANDFATHER WOULD SAY LITTLE BUTCH NOT KNOWING IT
WAS GIRL AND BOY COMING OUT.
THANK GOD IT WAS A BOY COMING OUT.
AND EVERYBODY FROM WEST TAMPA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW ME MY NAME
IS REUBEN.
09:51:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU HAD 61 AS A PITCHER.
BUT THE OTHER WAY WARNED, THE FIRST GUYS GOT A HIT.
09:52:02AM >> VERY TRUE.
09:52:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
POSSIBLY YOU WILL BE BACK.
YOU ARE WEARING GRAY.
09:52:08AM >> I AM GETTING GRAY.
09:52:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:52:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU SAY YOU ARE FROM WEST TAMPA, RIGHT.
WHAT IS YOUR NICKNAME.
09:52:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MINE?
WHEN I PLAYED BALL -- HERE COMES THE CUBAN KID WHOSE FATHER
IS A CUBAN.
THEY HAD A LOT OF NICKNAMES.
IN FACT WHEN I PLAYED BALL, HALF THE TEAM, I DIDN'T KNOW
THEIR REAL NAME.
09:52:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BUTCH, I KNOW HOW YOU ARE FEELING.
WHEN YOU GET THAT LAST ROOF TRANSMISSION.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FEELS.
IT IS A DIFFERENT FEELING WHEN AN OFFICER RETIRES.
AND DISPATCHER COMES ON.
IT'S YOUR LAST VOICES YOU HEAR FROM YOUR FRIENDS.
AND THEY COME ON AND SAY YOU ARE DONE FOR THE REMAINDER, YOU
KNOW.
YOU KIND OF FEEL SOMETHING.
BUT A LIKE I TELL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S
A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BEAST.
YOU KNOW IT.
I KNOW IT.
THESE GUYS HERE, THEY KNOW IT.
BUT YOU RETIRE.
SO YOU GO ENJOY YOURSELF, BUTCH.
GO ENJOY YOURSELF.
DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
YOU KNOW YOU ALREADY FOUND SOMETHING ELSE, BUT -- YOU GOT
SOME OTHER ASPIRATIONS WITH THE CITY.
GO AND ENJOY YOURSELF.
THE OLD SAYING, SEE YA.
WE WILL SEE YA.
09:53:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:53:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DIDN'T GET THE PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU
THE WAY THAT MY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS DID, BUT AS A RESIDENT
OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
AND I CAN SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT THE OFFICE
THAT -- THAT ALL OFFICERS DID IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS DURING
THAT TIME.
IT WAS A VERY SCARY TIME.
AND I KNOW THAT -- THAT HAVING SO MANY OFFICERS AND HAVING
YOU WORK SO HARD TO HELP FIND THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THOSE
CRIMES AND TO GET THEM TO STOP BASICALLY.
AND TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY FEEL SAFER.
WE ARE FOREVER IN DEBT TO YOU AND TO YOUR FAMILY FOR THOSE
51 DAYS THAT YOU WEREN'T HOME.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND BEST OF EVERYTHING IN YOUR RETIREMENT.
SETH.
09:54:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:54:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RETIME.
MAYBE YOU WILL BE BACK ONE DAY.
MAYBE NOT.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, WEST TAMPA LOVES YOU.
I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.
ANY TIME YOUR NAME COMES UP OR YOUR FAMILY AND WHATEVER, IT
IS ALWAYS VERY POSITIVE.
WE HATE TO SEE YOU GO.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, LIFE IS SHORT.
YOU ARE YOUNG.
ALL GOOD THINGS AHEAD AND I WISH YOU MUCH HAPPINESS AND THE
BEST OF LUCK.
09:54:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ADD THIS SHOWS THE INFLUENCE OF
THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
BECAUSE HE PLAYED BASEBALL AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
I WENT TO UT.
CHARLIE WENT TO UT.
09:55:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WAS THERE FOR A YEAR.
09:55:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYOR PLAYED BASKETBALL AT UT.
YOU LOOK THE LEADERSHIP OF TAMPA DOING REMARKABLE THINGS.
ANYBODY ELSE?
09:55:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I COULD, PLEASE.
09:55:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
09:55:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
BUTCH, YOU AND I GO BACK TO MY DAYS AT CDDC, AND APPEAR
CAPTAIN IN DC.
I KNEW THEN THAT YOU WOULD GO FAR.
THE RESPECT YOU HAD FROM YCD MEMBERS AND ALL THE RESPECT
FROM BUSINESS OWNERS IN EFOR CITY.
ALL THE RESPECT YOU GO THE FROM THE RESIDENTS IN YBOR YBOR
CITY.
YOU ARE A STRONG LEADER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME WITH ALL OF YOUR FELLOW TPD
OFFICERS.
AND I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU LED OUR POLICE FORCE.
BUTCH, YOU ARE A FRIEND.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU ARE A FRIEND TO ALL OF TAMPA THANK
YOU, MY FRIEND.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.
09:56:18AM >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT
[APPLAUSE]
09:56:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM FILE
NUMBERE 22-2215 -- NO THAT WAS REUBEN.
EXCUSE ME, BUTCH.
SORRY.
PLANNING COMMISSION.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE -- THIS IS CM 22-75386.
09:57:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A POWERPOINT THAT WE SENT EARLIER.
SO WE WILL JUST LOAD IT IN A MOMENT.
WE WILL JUST OPEN THIS UP.
JENNIFER MALONE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO REPORT ON THE VISION OUTREACH AND
RESULTS.
THE FIRST STEP IN UPDATING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE CAN'T UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHOUT A VISION FOR
THE PLAN.
WE WANTED THAT VISION TO REFLECT THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT
PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND HEARING RIGHT NOW.
A MULTIMONTH PROCESS WITH THE SURVEY AND TURN IT OVER TO
STEPHEN AND MELISSA DICKENS TO TALK OF THAT PROCESS AND HOW
MANY FOLKS WE REACHED THROUGH THAT.
THANK YOU.
09:57:44AM >> THANK YOU, JENNIFER.
WE CAME BEFORE YOU IN FEBRUARY WITH A PRELIMINARY VISION FOR
THE CITY IN 2045.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
PROCESS.
AND NOW TODAY ITEM 73 ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA IS THE
RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THAT VISION.
IN THE FALL, WE WILL BE BRINGING BEFORE YOU THE
WATER-RELATED SECTIONS OF THE PLAN.
IN THE SPRING, THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION AND THE MOBILITY
SECTION.
THE VISION IS THE COLLECTIVE VIEWPOINT WHAT THE FUTURE OF
COMPANY WILL BE IN THE YEAR 2045.
IT IS EXPRESSED AS A STATEMENT THAT DESCRIBES THE DESIRE OF
FUTURE STATE AND REPRESENTS COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION THAT CAN
BE THE FOUNDATION OF GOOD POLICY.
THE INVESTIGATION WAS DRAFTED BASED ON RECENT PLANS AND
OUTREACH.
PUBLIC INPUT WAS GATHERED OVER THE LAST 70s MONTHS AND THAT
HAS BEEN INCORPORATED TO UP DATE THE VISION IN THE 2045
PLAN
THIS WILL MR. THE 2045 PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
09:58:47AM >> I WILL JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE OUTREACH TO THE
COMMUNITY.
WE WANTED THIS TO BE THE COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR THE FUTURE
OF TAMPA.
THE FIRST STEP IN THAT IS MAKING SURE THE INFORMATION WAS
ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAD THINGS LIKE A FAQ, A QR CODE, SURVEYS IN ENGLISH AND
SPANISH.
WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ACROSS THE CITY.
WE MET WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AND STAKEHOLDERS, COMMUNITY
GROUPS CRAs, WEST SHORE ALLIANCE, DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
AT THE SAME TIME, MAKING SURE TO BE WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE,
TO HEAR FROM FOLKS WHO WERE AT PARKS AND LIBRARIES AND OTHER
COMMUNITY EVENTS.
WE ALSO HAD TRADITIONAL AND SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGNS AND HELD
A VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSE.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
I APOLOGIZE.
AND HERE ARE SOME METRICS ON OUR OUTREACH AND WHO WE REACHED
THROUGH DIFFERENT MECHANISMS.
THOUSANDS OF FOLKS WHO SAW INFORMATION ABOUT THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EITHER IN PERSON, THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA,
THROUGH TRADITIONAL MEDIA AND E-MAIL.
AND THEN OVERALL, WE GOT OVER 700 RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY.
REALLY WANT TO THANK EVERYONE TO PROVIDED COMMENTS ON THE
SURVEY.
WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP US AS WE
WORK TO UPDATE THE INDIVIDUAL GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND
POLICIES.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS WE
CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE PLAN.
10:00:24AM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THANKS, MELISSA.
JENNIFER MALONE AGAIN.
I WILL WRAP US UP SHOWING THE EXAMPLES THAT WE GOT ON OUR
VISION SURVEY.
WE HEAR THING LIKE TAMPA HAS UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS THAT
DIFFERENTIATE THE CITY FROM OTHERS.
SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT WE WILL INCORPORATE IN THE PLAN.
COMMENTS RELATED TO HOUSING AND A NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY AS
WELL AS RESILIENCY AND HOW WE MANAGE THE CHANGING CLIMATE
AND WHERE TAMPA IS SITUATED.
HERE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.
FOR LIGHT READING FOR EVERYONE, THE FULL SURVEY RESULTS ARE
POSTED ON OUR WEB SITE AT LIVE, GROW, THRIVE, 2024.COM AND
YOU ARE WELCOME TO READ THEM IN THEIR ENTIRETY.
THIS IS THE PROCESS WE TOOK TO BRING FORWARD THE VISION
THEME AND VISION STATEMENT THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.
WE LOOKED AT THE SURVEY INPUT AND PREVALENT IDEAS.
WE TAGGED EVERY SINGLE VISION COMMENT.
AND TRIED TO GET WHAT THAT VISION COMMENT WAS SAYING.
WE REVIEWED COMMENTS AND WE WERE ABLE TO GROUP THEM IN
FLOODING RESILIENCY, OPEN SPACE, HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION,
ACCESSIBILITY TO SERVICES.
THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP.
OTHER MORE SPECIFIC IDEAS WILL, INCORPORATED IN FORTHCOMING
SECTIONS OF THE PLAN.
THIS IS REALLY JUST STEP ONE OF UPDATING THE PLAN AS MELISSA
DICKENS SAID.
WE ARE NOT STOPPING HERE WITH OUTREACH EITHER.
THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME.
THIS IS -- WHAT IS BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL OF THE
RESOLUTION.
AS STEPHEN MENTIONED ITEM NUMBER 73, I WILL READ THESE SO
THEY ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE RECORD.
ONE VISION STATEMENT AND NINE VISION THEMES.
THE VISION STATEMENT IS TAMPA IS AN INCLUSIVE, SUSTAINABLE
AND RESILIENT CITY WHERE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, HISTORIC
CHARACTER AND DIVERSITY OF CULTURES ENABLE A SETTING FOR
ALL.
OUR VISION THEMES START WITH THE TITLE IN 2045, ALL
RESIDENTS HAVE EQUITABLE ACCESS TO A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE
AND OPPORTUNITY REGARDLESS OF BACKGROUND.
THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WATER RESOURCES, CLEAN AIR AND OPEN
SPACE ARE VALUED AND PROTECTED.
LAND AND PUBLIC RESOURCES ARE USED EFFICIENTLY AND
INFRASTRUCTURE IS RELIABLE WHEN CONNECTED.
THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE UNIQUE IDENTITIES THAT
REFLECT THE HISTORY AND CULTURAL DIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COMPLETE WITH A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES,
SERVICES AND JOBS WITHIN A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.
HOUSING OPTION IS AVAILABLE FOR ALL INCOME LEVELS AND
HOUSEHOLDS.
TRANSPORTATION IS SAFE, ACCESSIBLE, CONNECTED AND
CONVENIENT.
RESILIENCY ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO MITIGATE EFFECT OF CLIMATE
CHANGE, EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AND OTHER HAZARDS.
AND A DIVERSE ECONOMY PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVERYONE.
THAT IS THE VISION THAT IS GOING TO INFORM OUR TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES FOR -- FOR APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION
OF ITEM 73.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS MELISSA DICKENS
AND STEPHEN BENSON.
10:03:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:03:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU PUT
INTO THAT.
I TOLD YOU EARLIER THIS IS WHAT I DO IN MY DAY JOB,
EVALUATING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT A
PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND AS -- AS WE ALL WORK THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, WE HEAR
ABOUT ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
AND SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF CAPTURING ALL OF THE
ISSUES THAT TAMPA CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WANT TO
MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE.
I THINK THIS IS GREAT VISION PLAN TO GET STARTED ON THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:04:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:04:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAME THING HERE.
I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU ALL DO.
BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, PART OF WHAT I DID WAS PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT AND LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT APPEARS THAT YOU ALL WENT IN WITH A CLEAN SLATE.
YOU HANDLED THIS VERY OBJECTIVELY, THOROUGHLY.
YOU USED THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEEDED TO USE TO GET FEEDBACK
FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND I THINK THE STATEMENTS YOU MADE ARE OUTSTANDING AND
REFLECT EVERYTHING I HEAR IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO PLEASE THANK THE ENTIRE TEAM FOR WORKING SO HARD ON IT.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH YOU IN THE NEXT
PHASES.
THANK YOU.
10:04:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
10:04:56AM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THANK YOU.
10:04:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE THAT IS WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME,
PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AT THE FRONT OF THE ROOM.
10:05:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:05:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
10:05:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU.
10:05:33AM >> CHLOE CONEY, THE WOMAN THAT WEARS MANY HATS.
I AM HOMEGROWN FROM TAMPA.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY 50 YEARS WORKING EXPERIENCE AT A LOT
OF JOBS, BUT 30 YEARS IN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SOME I REALLY TELL PEOPLE I AM A SEASONED PRACTITIONER IN
THAT FIELD.
I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU.
I HAVE NOT BEEN TO MEETINGS HERE, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR WORKING TOGETHER AS YOU HAVE BEEN VOTE TO HELP WITH SOME
OF OUR HOUSING NEEDS.
I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT, BUT AS OUR FEARLESS LEADER ROBIN
LOCKETT LIKES TO SAY, THIS IS LIKE A PUZZLE, AND WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THE PIECES ALL TOGETHER.
CITY COUNCIL, I KNOW EVERY DAY YOU HEAR THE CRIES OF THE
PEOPLE.
I KNOW I DO.
AND MY HEART BREAKS WHEN I HEAR THE CRIES.
AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE EVICTED AND THEY NEED TO PLACE A
LIVE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO REFER THEM.
I HAVE CALLED MANY OF YOU.
I HAVE CALLED THE COUNTY.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS ME.
I WILL CALL EVERYBODY.
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSE IN TAMPA I
INVITED MY MENTOR.
THAT IS THE REASON I AM COMING TODAY.
STEVE GLADAY.
HE CAME DOWN IN JANUARY WHEN THEY DID THE DEDICATION OF THE
WALL.
HE IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF COALITION OF NONPROFIT
HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN D.C.
HIS ORGANIZATION HAS $150 MILLION TRUST FUND.
THEY DEAL WITH ALL THE ISSUES OF HOUSING AND ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
AS HE SAY IS, HIS ORGANIZATION IS ABOUT 80 NONPROFITS AND 40
FOR-PROFIT MISSION DRIVEN.
EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER WITH -- WITH GOVERNMENT TOP MAKE
SURE THAT THEY HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN D.C. AND TO END
HOMELESSNESS THERE.
WHY AM I SAYING THIS?
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT TAMPA NEEDS.
WE NEED THAT NOW.
WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS HE SAID TO ME AND OTHERS -- I KNOW HE SHORTLY MET WITH
MAYOR CASTOR WEB SHE WAS THERE.
AND HE TALKED ABOUT PRESERVATION.
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE APARTMENTS 30 YEARS, 40 YEARS.
IN D.C., THEY ALLOW THEIR TENANTS TO BUY THOSE APARTMENTS.
I KNOW HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS ALREADY ALLOWING NONPROFITS TO
BUY THOSE APARTMENTS SO THEY CAN KEEP IT AFFORDABLE.
THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, OKAY.
AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
YOU ARE DOING AN AWESOME JOB.
AS SENATOR -- I MEAN SENATOR CRUZ WAS HERE AND
REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART.
PLEASE CALL ME.
I WANT THEM TO GO TO WORK.
BY THE WAY, I AM WORKING ON WORKFORCE, THOSE TWO WORK
TOGETHER.
HOUSING AND WORKFORCE.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THESE WAGES.
BECAUSE ONCE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STOPS ALL SUBSIDIES, WE
WILL -- WE WILL REALLY HAVE A CRISIS ON OUR HANDS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:08:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, NORMALLY WE LINE UP ON
THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROOM.
I SEE THREE PEOPLE OVER HERE.
THAT IS FINE
YOU STAY THERE.
WE WILL LET THE PASTOR SPEAK NEXT AND THEN WE WILL GO BACK
AND FORTH UNTIL THESE THREE PEOPLE ARE CLEARED OVER HERE.
THANK YOU.
PASTOR.
10:08:57AM >> YES.
ARE YOU SPEAK TO ME?
10:09:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
10:09:04AM >> YES.
THANK GOD FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY.
PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS, 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET RIGHT HERE IN
TAMPA I PASS BY THAT JACKSON HOUSE AND I CAN'T UNDERSTAND
WHY YOU ALL ARE STILL IN THIS.
FALLING DOWN PIECE BY PIECE.
OVER HERE AT MY CHURCH -- LISTEN TO ME PLEASE, OVER IN MY
CHURCH, PUT SO MANY CITATIONS ON THE DOOR IN MY CHURCH
BECAUSE THERE IS A HOLE IN THE WALL OR THE CHURCH NEEDS
PAINTING.
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU IF YOU AIN'T GOING TO TEAR DOWN THAT
JACKSON HOUSE DOWN, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY Y'ALL ARE PICKING
ON ME.
I KNOW WHY YOU ARE PICKING ON ME, BECAUSE I AM A BLACK MAN
AND A BLACK PREACHER.
Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO HEAR NOTHING WE GOT TO SAY, BUT YOU MUST
UNDERSTAND WE AS CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
WE ARE BEING VIOLATED ALL KIND OF WAY.
GOING AROUND WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
TAKING BLACK FOLKS' PROPERTY.
EVERYTHING -- DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
GIVING IT TO THE WHITE FOLK AND ALL THIS HERE KIND OF CRAP.
AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
MY -- MY BROTHER FOUGHT IN WORLD WAR II.
AND WHEN HE COME BACK HERE, HE HAD TO WHITES -- OF COLOR AND
SIGNS.
YOU NEED TO TREAT PEOPLE LIKE CITIZENS.
NOT LIKE THE COLOR OF BLACK AND WHITE.
THAT AIN'T WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
TREAT US LIKE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND WE WILL BE GLAD TO ACCEPT THAT.
BUT Y'ALL PICK ON POOR BLACK FOLK AND TREAT US -- MISTREAT
US IN A MIGHTY WAY, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT.
WE KNOW WE GOT GOD ON OUR SIDE.
AND WE WILL PROVIDE.
GOD SAY WHAT Y'ALL THINK ABOUT IT.
WE CAN CARE LESS ON WHAT Y'ALL THINK ABOUT IT.
WE CARE WHAT GOD THINK ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE STAND.
WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE DOING AND LIVING THE LIFE WE ARE
LIVING.
LIVING A PEACEFUL LIFE
WE ARE NOT -- WE DON'T WANT TO START NO WAR WITH NOBODY.
AND THEN NOW -- WE GOT THIS OLD UGLY MAN CALLED TRUMP
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
WHAT IS HE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT FOR?
IF HE IS GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, I AM GOING TO RUN FOR
IT TOO.
WE WILL BE COMPARABLE TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND I GUARANTEE YOU, I MIGHT NOT WIN OVER HIM WITH MANKIND,
BUT WITH GOD, I ALREADY GOT THE VICTORY.
AND WE MUST TELL GOD THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, SO MUCH I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT Y'ALL DON'T GIVE
ME ENOUGH TIME TO TALK ABOUT NOTHING.
JUST LIKE TEXTING A FEW MINUTES AGO, A WHITE BOY WALKED IN
AND KILLED LITTLE INNOCENT CHILDREN IN A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND THE THING ABOUT IT, LISTEN HERE -- THIS IS WHAT THE
POLICE TOLD -- WE CAN'T GO IN THERE AND ATTACK HIM NOW
BECAUSE WE MIGHT GET SHOT.
YEAH, SO WHAT.
THAT IS YOUR JOB.
YOU OUGHT TO GET SHOT.
TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
ESPECIALLY TOWARD BLACK PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE AIN'T DOING
NOTHING BUT HOLDING THEIR HEAD DOWN LIKE IT IS ALL RIGHT.
NO, IT'S NOT ALL RIGHT.
IT IS NOT ALL RIGHT.
WE WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AND
THAT'S ALL WE ASK.
WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU FOR NOTHING ELSE.
TREAT US LIKE YOU TREAT THE WHITE FOLKS.
AND WE WILL BE HAPPY WITH THAT AND WE WILL GLORIFY GOD EVEN
MORE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW.
MISTREATMENT.
AND GO TO CHURCH.
FROM THE NEXT PERSON, THAT OUGHT NOT TO BE.
10:12:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, PASTOR.
10:12:56AM >> YOU ARE THANKING ME TOO QUICK.
I AM NOT THROUGH YET.
10:13:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME,
PASTOR.
MA'AM.
10:13:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
THE REASON I'M HERE THIS MORNING -- AND I WANT TO APPRECIATE
THE FAMILY THAT WAS AWARDED SUCH GREAT COMMENDATION.
LEGACY IS IMPORTANT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT A HISTORY OF A PEOPLE THAT HAS NOT
BEEN DOCUMENTED AND MANY TIMES IT IS NOT HELD UP.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT 400 YEARS OF FREE LABOR THAT HAS BUILT
AMERICA.
AND THAT IS TOO FAR FOR YOU TO GO BACK, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
HOW HERE IN THIS CITY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WAS ONCE DEFINED AS
BLIGHTED, POOR AND UNDESIRABLE IS NOW BECOMING UNAVAILABLE
FOR WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE TO LIVE IN.
YOU HAVE HAD ENOUGH TIME -- SOME OF YOU HAD A LEGACY HERE ON
THIS COUNCIL.
AND YOU HAVE HEARD THE ONGOING CRY OF THE PEOPLE.
THAT WE NEED A HOUSING PROGRAM THAT WILL LIFT EVERYBODY TO A
STANDARD OF HUMAN DIGNITY.
THAT IS NOT HARD.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR 300,000 SQUARE FOOT OF HOUSING, BUT
THERE IS A LOT OF LOTS IN EAST TAMPA THAT IF THIS
ADMINISTRATION ALONG WITH YOUR PUSH HAVE POLITICAL WILL WE
WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WILL
COME UP IN 2045.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE A LEGACY INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WE TALK OF GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT MANY OF THOSE DEFENDANTS, THOSE THAT
ARE DECEASED OR HAVING TO GO TO TRIAL, THEY LIVE WITH THEIR
GRANDMOTHER.
THEY DON'T HAVE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY.
NOW WE WANT TO SEE YOU DEAL WITH POVERTY.
THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE YOU DEAL WITH.
AS YOU START UNTANGLING THE ISSUE OF POVERTY, THEN WE WILL
GET TO HOUSING.
BUT AS LONG AS WE ARE CAUGHT UP WITH WHAT INFLATION.
NO.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT HUMANITY CAUSED.
BECAUSE JUST AS WELL AS BASEBALL COMES THROUGH THIS
COMMUNITY, YOU WILL FIND A WAY.
MAYBE ONE WON'T VOTE THAT WAY, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU,
ACCOMMODATION IS GOING TO BE MADE FOR THEM.
NO, INSIDE OF EAST TAMPA, WE HAVE A LOT OF LOTS THAT ARE
UNFITTED FOR TRADITIONAL HOMES.
WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM.
PEOPLE WOULD TAKE THEM.
NOW WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THEIR
CARS.
AND SO WHEN I AM CALLING ON FOR YOU COUNCILMAN GUDES.
YOU REPRESENT THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION IN THIS
COMMUNITY.
WE NEED YOUR LEADERSHIP TO PULL YOUR TEAM OF BOARD MEMBERS
TOGETHER TO HAVE A TRUE HOUSING INITIATIVE NOW.
IT IS DEPENDING UPON THAT BEFORE WE GET TO 2024.
AND THOSE THAT ARE PLANNING TO RUN IN 2024 THAT HAVE NOT PUT
FORTH A MODEL BEYOND PAPER SHOULD NOT GET THE BLACK VOTE.
THANK YOU.
10:16:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MISS BURTON.
[APPLAUSE]
10:16:24AM >> TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.
HI, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE HARRISON AND I RESIDE 1600 BLOCK OF
5th AVENUE IN YBOR.
AS A RESIDENT AND LOVER OF HISTORIC YBOR, I IMPLORE YOU TO
LOOK AT A CASE PRESENTED BACK TO YOU JULY 2014.
THIS INVOLVES THE REZONING OF A LOT IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA
HISTORIC EFOR CITY WHICH WILL SUBSEQUENTLY ALLOW IT TO BE A
PURELY RUN SURFACE PARKING LOT BETWEEN TWO HOUSES.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE HANDLING OF THIS
ISSUE OVER THE PAST YEAR.
ON JULY 14, COUNCILMEMBERS WERE DIRECTED TO VOTE ON THIS
ISSUE WITHOUT GIVING ALL THE FACTS.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, HERE IS JUST ONE OF THE PIECES OF
THIS COMPLICATED WEIRD PUZZLE.
IN AN E-MAIL ON JULY 5, CITY ATTORNEY CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE
TOLD OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
ARE ENTITLED TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES EACH IN REFERENCE TO
THE JULY 14 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WE RALLIED AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WEEKS.
MANY OF US SHOWED UP IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY TO SPEAK AND
MANY MORE WROTE LETTERS TO YOU ALL.
THEN AT THE VERY END OF THE DAY ON JULY 14 WHEN OUR AGENDA
ITEM 117 FINALLY CAME UP, MISS PETTIS-MACKLE STOOD BEFORE
COUNCIL AND DIRECTED THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD NOT BE
ALLOWED FOR THE CODE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH WAS SO
CONFUSE THIS CODE AND RARELY USED THAT MISS PETTIS-MACKLE
MUST NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT HEFF IS NOR ANY OF THE
COUNCILMEMBERS EVER HEARD OF IT.
THIS STINKY ONION HAS SO MANY LAYERS TO UNPEEL IMPOSSIBLE TO
DO IT HERE.
MANY PEOPLE AND MYSELF ON BEHALF OF THE YBOR CITY
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION.
I KNOW YOU ALL ARE BUSY PEOPLE, I WILL BE FORWARDING MY
LATEST E-MAIL AGAIN TO YOU TODAY SO IT IS AT THE TOP OF YOUR
IN BOX.
PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING HERE.
10:18:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. COMPTON.
10:18:24AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
PHIL COMPTON, FRIENDS OF THE RIVER.
WE SUPPORT RENT STABILIZATION AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
ON PURE, I WANT TO TALK OF THE RISKS INVOLVE.
CONTRACTOR'S ANALYSIS SHOULD INCLUDE THE ANALYSIS OF RISK.
WAS RISK INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSES TO DATE?
FUNDING SHOULD REQUIRE RISK ANALYSIS.
THE RISK IN PURE SHOULD NOT BE MINIMIZED.
MAY TAKE A GENERATION FOR ANY POTENTIAL HARM TO BE
EXPERIENCED AND RECOGNIZED.
MANY OF US MAY NOT BE AROUND TO RECOGNIZE THAT QUESTION DID
NOT DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
HA RISK, A WHOLE HOST OF CHEMICALS THAT YOU CAN BUY AT A CVS
ENDS UP IN OUR WASTEWATER.
SOME IN THE BAY THAT WE ASURM NO HARM IS DONE, ASSUME.
WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.
THIS WATER COMPRISE AS SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE LOWER
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WATER BELOW THE DAM WERE IT TO BE USED
FOR THE FRESH WATER MINIMUM FLOW AS IT IS PROPOSED.
IN ASSESSING THE VARIOUS TREATMENTS.
WE ARE FACED WITH ANSWERS.
HOW MUCH OF ANTI-DEPRESSANTS, HORMONES, FRAGRANCES AND OTHER
PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTS CAN BE FOUND FOR USE OF
ENVIRONMENTAL RESTORATION BEFORE IT CAN BE MORE HARM THAN
FOOD FOR THE IF I SHALL THAT COME UP THE RIVER TO SPAWN
TOWARD THE DAM.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW MUCH OF THESE CHEMICALS CAN BE FOUND
IN DRINKING WATER CONSUMED FOR DECADES BY FUTURE DECADES BY
RESIDENTS UNTIL DISEASE.
OR ADDED TO THE AQUIFER.
WE DON'T KNOW.
NO ONE DOES.
BECAUSE NO STANDARDS FOR PHARMACEUTICALS.
STAFF IS FACED A NO-WIN CHALLENGE.
HOW EFFECTIVE MUST ANY TREATMENT SYSTEM BE TO ENSURE THAT
WATER IS SAFE.
NO ONE KNOWS.
NO ONE IS LIKELY TO KNOW FOR YEARS TO COME.
A MONTH AGO THE EPA SAY FOREVER CHEMICALS PFAS CAUSE A MUCH
GREATER DANGER TO HUMAN HEALTH.
BUT NOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT REGULATE PFAS.
THE LEVELS ARE SO LOW DIFFICULT TO DETECT WITH TODAY'S
TECHNOLOGY.
PLACES HIT HARDEST OF THE CONTAMINATION NEAR MILITARY BASES
WHERE PFAS-LADEN FOAM USED FOR DECADES FOR JET FUEL FIRES
LIKE MacDILL.
WE CAN ALWAYS DO THE SAME THING AS DROUGHT-STRICKEN CITIES
LIKE SAN DIEGO PLAN TO REUSE THEIR WASTEWATER AND GO WITH
REVERSE OSMOSIS.
THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EXPENSIVE TREATMENT.
ELIMINATES 100% OF ALL CONTAMINANTS.
IT IS GREAT.
WE MUST PRODUCE WATER THAT IS BOTH SAFE AND AFFORDABLE FOR
EVERYONE.
WE MUST ACHIEVE BOTH OR NO GO FORWARD.
THE RISK IS HIGH FOR THE RESIDENTS AND ABILITY TO PAY THEIR
UTILITY BILL.
HOW CAN WE CONSULT WITH OTHER CITIES AROUND THE STATE AND
PUT DEP HOLDS OF THE 2022 DEADLINE OF STANDARDS TO ALLOW
FLORIDA WATER DEPARTMENTS TO GO FORWARD WITH CERTAINTY THEY
ARE NOT PUTTING THEIR RESIDENTS' HEALTH AND FINANCIAL WELL
BEING AT RISK BECAUSE THE RISK IS REAL.
THANK YOU.
10:21:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:21:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS DAVID BAILEY.
I LIVE ON 5th AVENUE IN HISTORIC YBOR CITY.
AND I AM COMING A CASE 125C THAT WAS MENTIONED EARL IN.
AS A RESIDENT AND DEVELOPER, I CAN SAY IN MY 20 YEARS IN
DEALING WITH THE CITY, I NEVER SEEN AN ASSISTANT CITY
ATTORNEY ADVOCATE SO MUCH FOR A PRIVATE PARKING COMPANY AND
PRESENT FALSE OR MISLEADING STATEMENTS TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND TO THE PUBLIC WHO EXERCISES THE RIGHT TO COME HERE TO
SPEAK BEFORE YOU.
THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE IS OBVIOUSLY TOO LONG FOR ME TO
COVER IN THE THREE MINUTES THAT I HAVE, BUT BRIEFLY, ABOUT A
YEAR AGO, THE ZONING OFFICIAL MADE A THOROUGH --
10:22:08AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT -- YOU HAVE A
RIGHT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANT TO WARN COUNCIL THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER.
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS REVIEWING THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE
RESIDENTS.
THIS MATTER IS NOT TERMINATED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
IT IS STILL PENDING.
SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE
COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT.
10:22:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY.
10:22:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. MASSEY.
10:22:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:22:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU EXPLAIN -- IT MAY COME BACK BEFORE
US?
10:22:37AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IT MAY COME BACK.
WE ARE LOOKING WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY, ADVICE GIVEN,
LOOKING AT THE CODE, AND THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY
THE RESIDENTS.
WE ARE IN RIGHT OF THOSE E-MAILS.
IT MAY COME BACK BEFORE YOU.
10:22:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE OF THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOW TO COMMENT
AT ALL.
10:22:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CORRECT.
10:22:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOUR TIME WILL BE THE FULL AMOUNT OF TIME.
10:22:55AM >> ABOUT A YEAR AGO THE ZONING OFFICIAL MADE A NEUROAND
SOUND JUDGMENT IN THIS CASE DENYING THIS NEW PARKING LOT IN
HISTORIC YBOR CITY.
IT WAS SUPPORTED BY FACTS.
ACCURATELY REFLECTED THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT STRANGELY WEEKS LATER, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
ACCEPTED A MAGIC LETTER FROM THE PARKING COMPANY.
22 YEARS LATER -- 22 YEARS LATER WITH NO CHAIN OF CUSTODY TO
THIS LETTER, NEVER RECORDED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD THEY
ACCEPT THIS LETTER AND INFLUENCE THE ZONING OFFICIAL TO
RESCIND HIS OPINION.
THIS DOES NOT PASS THE SMELL TEST BY A LONG STRETCH.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE CHAOS IF YOU ALLOWED THAT TYPE OF A
PROCESS INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS?
IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTE CHAOS.
SO TWO WEEKS LATER WE CAME TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE MUZZLED AND THE GLIB RESPONSE FROM
THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WAS, IT'S IN THE CODE.
THAT WAS HER RESPONSE.
I AM A DEVELOPER.
AND I HAVE BEEN IN YBOR CITY DOING WORK FOR 20 YEARS.
AND I NEVER HAD A RESPONSE LIKE THAT.
I WORKED WITH THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION.
THEY INSTRUCTS YOU YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNTS OF TIME.
HERE IS THE NOTICE PERIOD.
THIS IS THE PROCESS.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE GOT.
PLEASE READ OUR LETTERS FOR YOURSELVES.
PLEASE LOOK INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE.
ASK YOURSELF, WHY IS ZONING THAT WAS SETTLED 22 YEARS AGO
BEING OVERTURNED IN THIS WAY IN THIS MANNER.
AT A TIME WHEN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD OF YBOR CITY HAS
BEEN PROMISED THAT THESE DIRT LOTS AND THEIR TRASH AND THEIR
NOISE AND THEIR SHOOTINGS WOULD BE TEMPORARY.
WE WERE TOLD THIS WAS AN INTERIM PARKING LOT SITUATION.
WE WERE TOLD THAT.
INSTEAD YOU ALL ARE, PUN INTENDED, PAVING THE WAY FOR A NEW
PARKING LO THE IN HISTORIC YBOR CITY.
IF YOU HAVE A SHRED OF LOVE FOR YBOR CITY, PLEASE GET IN
CONTACT WITH US.
PLEASE HEAR THE REAL STORY.
THANK YOU.
10:24:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
SIR, WE ARE GOING TO GO ONE MORE TIME OVER TO THIS LADY HERE
AND COME BACK TO YOU AND PLEASE EVERYBODY IF YOU ARE GOING
TO SPEAK LINE UP ON THE LEFT.
MY LEFT.
YOUR RIGHT.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:25:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MASSEY RELATE AGAIN WITH THE PUBLIC --
WE CAN'T CONTACT.
10:25:16AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
STILL PENDING.
A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
COUNCIL CAN'T HEAR THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MATTER.
IT MAY COME BACK TO YOU ALL.
AGAIN, WE ARE REVIEWING WHAT HAPPENED.
AND IT REALLY WILL BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE COMMENTS TO
BE HELD IN ABEYANCE AND COUNCIL CANNOT RESPOND AND REALLY
SHOULD NOT BE REVIEWING EVIDENCE OUTSIDE OF A QUASI JUDICIAL
AREA.
10:25:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:25:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, I AM NANCY STEVENS.
VOLUNTEER WITH THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB AND A MEMBER OF THE
STAKEHOLDER GROUP WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THE PURE PROJECT.
THAT IS WHERE MY COMMENTS ARE.
THANK YOU FOR POSTPONING FOR A MONTH THE DISCUSSION ON THIS,
BECAUSE WE DID SEE THAT PROPOSED CONTRACT AMENDMENT JUST --
I GOT IT IN THE E-MAIL OVER THE WEEKEND.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT BEFORE THAT.
EVEN THOUGH THE STAKEHOLDER ARE MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS
WITH THE IS IT I.
WE APPRECIATE HAVING MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
MY OFFICIAL CONCERNS LOOKING AT IT REALLY IS NOT NECESSARILY
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO THE PRELIMINARY PHRASE.
I AM ENCOURAGED BY THE PRELIMINARY LOOK OF FIVE ALTERNATIVES
-- TO THE COMMITMENT TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH.
AND GET -- DO A SURVEY HOWEVER I STILL HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS.
THIS WON'T SLIDE TO A STOP.
THIS IS A PRELIMINARY.
WE ARE COMMIT TO LOOKING AT IT.
MY FEAR IS THAT THIS CONTRACTOR WILL GO AHEAD AND DO A
SURVEY AND NOT LISTEN TOP PUBLIC OPINION.
MY FEAR WOULD BE A PR JOB AND NOT A TRUE BACK AND FOR THE.
MY OTHER FEAR WILL LOOK AT THE FIVE ALTERNATIVES, DO AN
ANALYSIS AND COME UP WITH THE ONE THAT IT LIKES.
IT IS A CONTRACTOR.
THEIR PRIMARY GOAL IS NOT TO KEEP THE COST DOWN.
THEIR PRIMARY GOAL WILL BE TO GET A CONTRACT.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU ADD A HARD STOP BETWEEN THIS
PHASE AND THE NEXT PHASE.
THAT YOU GET ALL THE RESULTS YOU GET THE ANALYSIS OF THE
FIVE ALTERNATIVES FROM THESE CONTRACTORS AND GREAT THEY USE
THEIR EXPERTISE TO GIVE AN ANALYSIS AND HAVE AN INDEPENDENT
PANEL LOOK AT THOSE RESULTS.
GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GET REAL FEEDBACK.
GET THEIR QUESTIONS.
AND HAVE THE CITY ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.
AND TALK MUCH THE CONTAMINANT.
A HUGE ISSUE.
IT IS EXPENSIVE TO TREAT -- TO GET RID OF THE CONTAMINANTS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN THE WATER.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THE WASTEWATER.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A STUDY AND THAT HAS TO BE REMOVED.
THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND SO THAT IS BASICALLY IT.
WE NEED TO HAVE INDEPENDENT PANEL.
LOOK, WE WANT -- WE WANT SAFE WATER FOR THE CITIZENS.
WE WANT INEXPENSIVE WATER.
IF WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON AN OVERBLOWN
PURE PROJECT, WE CAN USE IT FOR OTHER SERVICES THAT IS
NEEDED FOR THE CITY THAN SPENDING MONEY CON VERDICTING
WASTEWATER TO DRINKING WATER WHEN WE DON'T NEED TO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:28:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
10:28:19AM >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
AM I ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON THE QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER.
I HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY SINCE IT IS PUBLIC FORUM.
10:28:28AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YOU HAVE A RIGHT OF PUBLIC COMMENT BUT WE
WOULD PREFER -- THIS MAY BE COMING BACK TO THEM WHERE YOU
WILL HAVE A RIGHT TO PRESENT IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A QUASI JUDICIAL MANNER SO BOTH SIDES
HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAR BEFORE COUNCIL AT THE SAME TIME TO
PRESENT BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE A
DECISION.
10:28:45AM >> I GUESS MY THOUGHT IT, SINCE IT MAY BE COMING BACK TO YOU
OR MAY NOT BE COMING BACK TO YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MY
THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS IT.
IN CASE IT DOESN'T.
I BELIEVE IT WAS POORLY HANDLED.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY CHEF.
CHRIS CURRIE, PRESIDENT OF THE HISTORIC YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
125-C.
MYSELF AND MANY OF THE RESIDENTS OF HISTORIC YBOR CITY
BELIEVE THIS IS BEING HANDLED WITH A MINIMUM OF INCOMPETENCE
AND MAXIMUM OF DECEPTION.
THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ARE OVERLOOKING
BASIC PROPERTY LAW AND ADVOCATING FOR PROPERTY OWNERS
INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTS.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TRYING TO ASSERT
PROPERTY RIGHTS OF A ZONING CHANGE BASED ON A LETTER THAT
WAS WRITTEN PRIOR TO THEM OWNING THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU DON'T OWN A PROPERTY, YOU CAN'T ASSERT PROPERTY OWNER
RIGHTS.
MAGIC LETTER THAT DAVID BAILEY REFERENCED SHOWED UP.
IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BY MR.
MICHELINI ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IT BASICALLY
SAID, YOU KNOW, WE -- WE DID NOT WANT THIS ZONING TO TAKE
PLACE.
IT WAS WRITTEN ON DIFFERENT LETTERHEAD.
IT WAS FOUND 22 YEARS AFTER THE FACT AND STINKS ALL AROUND.
I BELIEVE IT IS BEING MISHANDLED.
YBOR CITY IS THE ONLY NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICT IN
TAMPA.
ONE OF THREE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
IT SHOULD BE TREATED AND REGARDED AS THE EIFFEL TOWER OF
PARIS.
WHEN PEOPLE COME TO TAMPA, THEY NEED TO VISIT YBOR CITY.
IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING GREAT.
DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANOTHER PARKING LOT.
TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESISTER 121125-C, SINCE THE
CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS OWNED THIS PROPERTY NEVER USED FOR
PARKING DESPITE THEIR AFFIDAVIT THAT IT HAS.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE.
22 YEARS, COUNCIL.
22 YEARS THEY COULDN'T GET IT TOGETHER AND BRING IT UP TO
CODE AS A PARKING LOT.
AND THEY ARE ASKING YOU NOW TO GIVE THEM THE EXCEPTIONS.
TO GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND THE RESIDENTS DON'T THINK THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.
IF IT COMES UP AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THIS TO BE A
PARKING LOT.
THANK YOU.
10:30:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:30:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MALIK ABULAR.
AND WE HAVE A MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE SELECT LEADERSHIP TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES FROM A
COLLECTIVE DIDN'T.
THAT COLLECTIVENESS SHOULD BE REPRESENTED BY AND FOR THE
PEOPLE AND WHEN YOU DON'T DO THAT, YOU WILL GET COMPLAINT
FROM PETER OR PAUL.
IF PAUL IS BEING ROBBED PAUL IS GOING TO HOLLER AND SCREAM
BLOODY MURDER.
PETER WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING.
I SAY THIS IN REFERENCE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ELECTED YOU
GUYS TO REPRESENT.
THERE ARE A SECTION OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE COMPLAINING,
THAT ARE CRYING WITH REGARD TO HOUSING.
HOW HOUSING HAS IMPACTED UNDERPRIVILEGED PEOPLE.
HOW IT HAS IMPACTED BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
THE ROADWAYS.
WHEN I SAY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE EDUCATION THAT THEY ARE
GETTING.
CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DISCOVERED AMERICA.
COME ON.
THIS STUFF IS STILL THERE.
THIS IS A COMPLAINT.
AND LEADERSHIP IS THERE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE PEOPLE.
IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE PEOPLE, WHAT IS THE
PURPOSE IN WHAT DO THE PEOPLE KNOW NEED YOU FOR.
YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.
ELECTIONS COMING UP IN THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ISSUES.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO WILL SAY, WELL, THIS GUY
HERE IS NOT REPRESENTING MY CONCERN.
THERE IS AN EXPRESSION THAT SAYS "PICK YOUR GAME UP."
PICK YOUR GAME UP AND ADDRESS THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS OF THE
COMMUNITY YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING.
AND APPLY SOLUTIONS THAT WILL AFFECT THE COMMUNITY.
A COMPLAINT ABOUT JOBS.
I GO OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD -- ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
I SEE YOUNG BLACK MEN.
THIS IS A PRODUCT HOW THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TREATED
ALIENATED OR DENIED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEAR THIS OR NOT, BUT AN ONGOING
SITUATION.
THIS JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY.
IN THIS ONGOING SITUATION, THERE CAN BE -- THERE IS A
SOLUTION.
SO GUYS SHOULD CONTACT THE COMMUNITY.
ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY.
GET PEOPLE ON ADVISORY BOARDS MAKE IT EMBLEMATIC OF THE
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
NOT JUST EUROPEAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE
PROBLEM.
I KNOW -- THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
10:34:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT, PLEASE.
10:34:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, LINDA WIGGINS-CHAVIS FROM FAITH
IN FLORIDA.
I HAVE SPOKEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE HOUSING
CRISIS.
I'M HERE AGAIN TO SPEAK OF THE HOUSING CRISIS.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY THIS TIME IS THAT WHEN I TALKED ABOUT
THE CRISIS BECOMING CATASTROPHIC, SOME OF YOU AGREED WITH
ME.
WHAT WE NEED NOW IS FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO MAKE
A MOTION TO HAVE THIS DECLARED AS A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
AND I, FOR ONE, DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR CONTINUED SILENCE AS
EITHER COMPLACENCY.
WE NEED SOMETHING TO BE DONE AND WE NEED SOMEBODY TO HAVE
THE COURAGE TO DO IT.
THANK YOU.
10:35:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT PLEASE.
10:35:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, RIVA IMAN.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT HOUSING.
AS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, I AM OUT THERE EVERY DAY, DOOR TO
DOOR, LISTENING TO THE STORIES.
YOU HAVE THE OUR FLORIDA PROGRAM.
ONLY TEMPORARY.
I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE WAITED FOR RENT TO COME IN AND
GOT EVICTED ONLY FOR THE RENT TO COME IN A MONTH LATER AND
THEM AND CHILDREN ARE OUT LIVING IN CARS AND THINGS OF THAT
NATURE.
THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
WE NEED FOR Y'ALL TO MAKE A DECISION TO DO SOMETHING.
I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT THESE PLANS, THESE LAWS AN AND WHAT
CAN BE DONE.
RIGHT NOW YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
BEING HOMELESS.
I AM OUT HERE -- AND I AM A STRONG INDIVIDUAL.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BURGER KINGS -- TO TAKE SHOWERS TO WIPE
THEMSELVES OFF AND BRUSH THEIR TEETH BECAUSE OF THIS.
THIS IS A SERIOUS SITUATION.
I UNDERSTAND YOU AND YOUR FAMILY MAY NOT BE GOING THROUGH
THIS, BUT MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT ARE
BECOMING HOMELESS EVERY DAY.
THE FUNDING THAT YOU PUT INTO THE PROGRAM, THANKFUL, BUT
THAT IS ONLY TEMPORARY.
TODAY YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING OF MAKING A DECISION.
BECAUSE TEMPORARY FUNDING IS ONLY TEMPORARY.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THAT.
EVERY DAY, SOMEONE IS BECOMING HOMELESS.
I AM OUT THERE SEEING IT.
TALKING TO THEM.
I AM WITH THEM.
TRYING TO GIVE THEM SOLUTIONINGS AND RESOURCES -- SOLUTIONS
AND WHAT I KNOW AND THE PROGRAM TO HELP THEM WITH ELECTRIC
AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT TODAY WE NEED TO MAKE THE
DECISION.
BECAUSE EACH DAY THAT YOU KEEP PUT THIS OFF, THERE ARE 20
MORE PEOPLE BECOMING HOMELESS EVERY DAY AND IT DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE.
IT REALLY DOESN'T.
IT HURTS ME TO MY HEART I AM OUT THERE BEATING THE PAVEMENT
TALKING TO THOSE PEOPLE TRYING TO GIVE THEM THOSE RESOURCES
AND YOU CONTINUE TO PUT IT OFF FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS.
TODAY WE WANT YOU TO MAKE A DECISION.
BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE A DECISION, IT CAN HELP SOMEONE VERY
SOON.
THANK YOU.
10:37:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[APPLAUSE]
10:37:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.
10:37:42AM >> GOOD MORNING, HARRISON LUNDY.
I AM WITH THE LOCAL ORGANIZATION FLORIDA FOR CHANGE.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE EVENTS OF, I BELIEVE, SATURDAY,
JULY 23.
FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T AWARE, THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER WAS
THE HOST OF THE TURNING POINT USA STUDENT ACTION SUMMIT.
I WAS OUT THERE PROTESTING THE EVENT WITH MULTIPLE
ORGANIZATIONS.
AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT NONE OF US WERE GOING TO
STAND FOR THEIR PRESENCE THERE.
NOT EVEN GETTING TO THE NAZI PRESENCE THAT WAS THERE,
LITERALLY WITH THE SIGNS AND CUSTOMS AND WHATEVER, WORKSHOP
ATTACKED AND FOLLOWED BY ATTENDEES.
WE WERE SURVEILED.
WE WERE HURT BY UNDERCOVER TP MEMBERS.
I, MYSELF, WAS ALMOST THROWN DOWN THE STAIRS OF THE
CONVENTION CENTER WHERE I ENSURED -- DID MY BEST TO ENSURE
THE SAFETY OF MY PROTESTERS.
WHEN WE TALK OF THE TPD RAISE, THE 18.5% RAISE.
ONE OF OUR ORGANIZERS HAD TO BEG TPD TO INTERVENE AT ALL
UNTIL HE ALMOST LOST HIS VOICE.
IN REGARDS TO THIS RAISE, TPD HAS PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN
INCLUDING RECENTLY THAT THEY ARE USELESS.
USELESS IN PROTECTING PROTESTERS, USELESS IN RESPOND TO
MENTAL HEALTH CRISES WITH 988, USELESS IN ACCOUNTABILITY.
REFER TO THE TPD AT THE PRO TESTS WHO WITH HE HAD TO BEG TO
INTERVENE OR THE LACK OF APOLOGY TO THE FAMILY OF ARTHUR
GREEN, JR.
THE FAMILY OF A BLACK PERSON WHO DIED OF A DIABETIC
EMERGENCY IN TPD DETAINMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY TPD NEEDS A RAISE WITH THE HOUSING STATE OF
EMERGENCY.
THE MONEY RIGHT THERE.
$40 MILLION OF TAX BONUSES OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW WE COULD PUT THAT TOWARD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PUBLIC
HOUSING.
PUT THAT TOWARD AFFORDABLE TRANSPORTATION.
AND LIKE I SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE UP HERE DOING ALL THIS
WORK.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN WORKED THROUGH CONSERVATIVE TWITTER.
I HAVE DONE THE ROUNDS, ALL RIGHT.
SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, I AM DEMANDING A FORMAL APOLOGY FROM
THE CITY COUNCIL AND A FORMAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
I CHECKED EVERYBODY'S SOCIAL MEDIA STATEMENTS, EVERYTHING.
NOT ONE STATEMENT.
NOT ONE APOLOGY ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR OR THE CITY COUNCIL
THAT I HAVE SEEN.
AND SAYING SORRY AFTER I AM DONE SPEAK SOMETHING NOT GOING
TO CUT IT.
I WANT SOMETHING FORMAL.
WE WANT SOMETHING FORMAL.
IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, WE ARE ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN, ALL
RIGHT.
IF WE ARE NOT OKAY WITH IT.
WE NEED TO SAY SO.
WE NEED TO CONDEMN THE EVENTS OF SATURDAY AND WE NEED TO
APOLOGIZE AND DEMAND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DOES THE STAPLE
BECAUSE 2023 I BELIEVE IS AN ELECTION YEAR AND I WANT TO
DRIVE IT HOME, THAT ALL OF YOU ARE UP FOR REELECTION.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO STAY IN OFFICE, I SUGGESTS WE DO THE
RIGHT THING AND REALLY TIME TO DO BETTER.
THANK YOU.
10:40:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:40:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, ALICE MOORE WITH FLORIDA RISING
AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING LATOYA GILBERT WHO CAN SHOW SOME
OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH BEING -- BEING WITHOUT
REPRESENT.
HAVING TO WIND UP -- I AM SPEAKING BECAUSE SHE IS TOO FULL
TO TALK.
SHE WAS WORKING AT ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS -- STEAKHOUSE
RESTAURANTS THAT LOST HER JOB.
SHE WAS RENT WITH SO-CALLED FRIENDS IN A CONDO THAT THEY
DIDN'T LET HER KNOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF RENTING AND
SHE HAD TO LEAVE IN THREE MONTHS.
SHE HAS FOUR CHILDREN.
SHE IS LIVING IN A HOTEL WITH THE FOUR CHILDREN BETWEEN THE
AGES -- I BELIEVE THE AGES ARE 10 TO 118 WHICH IS REALLY
DEBT TRITTMENT FOR CHILDREN.
SHE HAS NOW -- CAN YOU IMAGINE HAVING A PART-TIME JOB
WORKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOT BE ABLE TO GET.
SHE IS IN THE STREET TALKING TO PEOPLE.
AND SHE CAN'T GET A PLACE TO STAY HERSELF.
LIVING IN A HOTEL $600, $700 A WEEK IS QUITE TRAUMATIC FOR
SOMEONE AND STILL HAVE THE THOUGHT OF NOT HAVING A PLACE TO
STAY OR EVEN GETTING A PLACE TO STAY.
SHE IS ALSO BATTLING STAGE 3 OF CANCER.
SO ALL OF THIS -- THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IS
HAPPENING TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE, A LOT OF THEM.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
THEY ARE HOMELESS.
NOWHERE TO GO.
HAVING CHILDREN -- YOU CAN IMAGINE THE EFFECT ON THE
CHILDREN GOING PLACE TO PLACE, IF YOU CAN GO ANYPLACE.
I KNOW ALL THE PLACES, BUT THESE ARE AM SO OF THE THINGS
THAT ARE HAPPENING SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE.
AND JUST THINK STAGE 3 OF CANCER HAVING TO FIGHT THAT WITH
ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
BUT IS TO LET YOU KNOW THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE
HAPPENING TO PEOPLE IN THE STREET, HOMELESS AND LIVING IN
CARS.
JUST WANTED TO SPEAK.
LIKE I SAID SHE IS STILL EMOTIONAL WHY I AM HUGGING ON TO
HER TO TELL HER PART.
PLEASE, PLEASE, NOT A JOKE.
SOMETHING VERY SINCERE AND WE SHOULD NOT HAVE PEOPLE ON THE
STREETS ARE ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
STABILIZATION, RENT CONTROL.
HOW -- JUST -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT IS ALMOST A JOKE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD WORK ON AND BE
REALISTIC.
THINK OF THE PEOPLE IN THE STREET TO HAVE AND NO THE HAVE
ANYTHING.
WANT TO LET YOU KNOW AND TO SAY SOMETHING TO YOU
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THIS IS
HAPPENING TO PEOPLE ALL OVER.
THANK YOU.
10:42:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:42:57AM >> HELLO, NOAH MEYERS, CONCERNED CITIZEN.
I WANT TO START THIS OFF BY SAYING IT IS PROFOUNDLY
OFFENSIVE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND BECK FOR JUST
DECENT HUMANITY TO BE ACTED UPON.
WE HAVE A HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT IS BASICALLY
TOOTHLESS.
IT IS INEFFECTUAL, TAKES TOO LONG FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY GET
THEIR APPLICATIONS HEARD AND THE MONEY TO THEM.
IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GO DIRECTLY TO THEM.
IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE LANDLORDS AND THE LEASING MANAGEMENT
COMPANIES THAT -- THE MONEY IS ALREADY TOO MUCH.
AND IT MAKES IT A SLOW -- A VERY SLOW PROCESS FOR THESE
PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY GET MONEY INTO THEIR HANDS AND TO STAY
OFF THE STREET.
WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
WE CAN NOT HAVE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE BEING OUT ON THE STREET
BEING REPRESENT BURDENED FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AND WHEN
THEY FINALLY GET KICKED OUT, AFTER STAVING OFF FOR A LONG
PERIOD OF TIME, BEING OUT ON THE STREET TO THEN NOT HAVE
ANYTHING TO BE WITH THEM.
I MEAN, THEY ARE -- IT IS A SQUEEZE.
THEY ARE BEING SQUEEZED.
WE DON'T PAY ENOUGH PEOPLE.
WE DON'T PAY THE WORKERS ENOUGH HERE.
AND THEN THEIR RENT IS GOING UP AT THE SAME EXACT TIME.
THAT IS THE COST OF INFLATION.
AND THE WAY TO FIGHT INFLATION IS NOT THROUGH -- IT IS
THROUGH INCREASING TAXES ON THE WEALTHY IN THE CITY.
AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOUSES SO THE
EFFECTS OF THE NATIONAL EVENTS -- THE NATIONAL PATTERNS THAT
ARE GOING ON DO NOT AFFECT THIS CITY IN THE SAME WAY IT DOES
OTHER PLACES.
WOULDN'T YOU WANT THIS CITY TO BE A SHINING LIGHT FOR THE
PEOPLE AND NOT JUST A PLACE WHERE THE RICH -- ANOTHER PLACE
IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE THE RICH ARE BENEFITING OFF THE
SUFFERING OF PEOPLE.
AND THAT IS JUST NOT OKAY ANYWHERE BUT ESPECIALLY NOT HERE
IN MY HOME WITH THESE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE BEGGING YOU TO
ACTUALLY ACT WITH THE URGENCY THAT IS REQUIRED.
THANK YOU.
10:45:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MISS POYNOR, IF I MAY.
I SAW YOUR NAME WAS ON THE CALL-IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO REMOVE YOU FROM THAT.
10:45:24AM >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
10:45:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN OUT AND CALL IN AFTER
THAT.
10:45:29AM >> I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS.
THAT IS WHAT EVERYTHING CIRCLES AROUND.
I SUPPORT THESE FOLKS ABOUT HOUSING, BUT THEY CAN SPEAK MORE
IN DEPTH OF HOUSING AND I THINK I HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT
NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CMT.
I AM LOOKING AROUND AT MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE
WHO ARE SITTING HERE.
AND JUST THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ALONE, IF WE AVERAGE OUT THEIR
INCOME, JUST IN THEM ALONE WE HAVE $1.8 MILLION A YEAR WORTH
OF SALARIES SITTING BEHIND ME.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FURTHER DOWN THE
FOOD CHAIN.
I AM TALKING ABOUT THE TOP ECHELON.
THAT IS $34,616 A WEEK.
THAT IS $6900 FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO SIT HERE TODAY OF OUR TAX
DOLLARS INSTEAD OF LETTING SOME OF THEM SIT AT THEIR DESK
WHERE THEY CAN BE CALLED ON, IF NECESSARY.
CMT IS IMPORTANT.
THIS IS A WASTE OF OUR STAFF'S TIME.
IF THEY ARE SITTING HERE EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY, WE ARE
REDUCING THEIR PRODUCTIVITY BY 20%.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ATTORNEYS.
I AM TALKING ABOUT OUR STAFF WHO HAVE JOBS TO DO.
THIS IS A WASTE OF OUR MONEY.
CITIZENS NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK VIA CMT.
I HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS TOLD ALL
THESE PEOPLE TO BE HERE.
BECAUSE A MONTH AGO, ALL THESE PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE HERE.
WHO TOLD THEM TO BE HERE?
AND WHY HAS THE POLICY BEEN CHANGED WITHOUT LETTING THE
PUBLIC KNOW?
BACK TO MY OTHER ISSUE, LITTERING FINES SHOULD BE NO LESS
THAN $500.
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
CITY COUNCIL NEEDS ADDITIONAL STAFF.
WE NEED TO HAVE A JUNIOR TO MR. SHELBY.
HE IS -- WE NEED TO HAVE THE FUTURE TO COME BEHIND HIM.
WE CAN NOT DEPEND ON HIM FOREVER.
NO ONE PERSON SHOULD RIDE ANY TRAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE
STATION.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY IN HERE LEARNING FROM HIM NOW ON
HOW TO BE AN EXCELLENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL.
NONE OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO DISH OUT
THEIR OWN PERSONAL FUNDS TO DEFENDS THEMSELVES FOR THEIR
JOBS.
PART-TIME JOBS AT THAT.
YOU GUYS GET LESS THAN PART-TIME MONEY
BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS
THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT SUCK ABOUT TODAY, BUT I WANT
YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK PURE
SUCKS.
AND CMT SHOULD REMAIN.
AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO TOLD THEM.
WHO TOLD THEM THEY HAVE TO BE HERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE
HERE EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY.
THAT WASN'T THE CASE FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS ON END.
PLEASE ADMIT WHO YOU ARE.
10:48:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:48:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:48:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAYBE MR. BENNETT CAN ADDRESS THAT.
A POLICY THAT STAFF MEMBERS NEED TO BE HERE VERSUS BEING ON
CAMERA?
I AM JUST WONDERING.
10:48:27AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
ALL GUIDED BY THE AGENDA REVIEW ON STAFF REPORTS.
STAFF REPORTS WERE MOVED UP IN FRONT OF THE AGENDA.
SO WHEN THEY RARE A PRESENCE FROM STAFF THEY MAKE THE
DETERMINATION WHETHER THEY CAN WORK HERE AND WORK AT DESK
AND TIME IT ACCORDINGLY.
IT IS REALLY THEIR DECISION.
10:48:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
THEIR DECISION.
10:48:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
10:48:50AM >> THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS TEQIA JOHNSON.
I AM A CITIZEN OF TAMPA, AN ACTIVE VOTER AND I AM A MOTHER.
I RESIDE AT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING.
SO I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS.
SO I, MYSELF, HAD TO APPLY FOR ONE OF THE RESOURCES THAT OUR
FLORIDA RESOURCES AVAILABLE BECAUSE I LOST MY JOB.
I AM NOT ONE -- I DON'T HAVE A CAREER.
I HAVE A JOB.
WHEN I AM ABLE TO GET A JOB.
I TAKE WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE FOR ME SO I CAN PROVIDE FOR MY
CHILDREN.
WE DO LIVE COMFORTABLY, BUT WE HAVE HAD INCREASE IN -- IN
RENT TWICE.
AND WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, THE REPRESENT INCREASED $111 IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.
AND SO WITH SOMEBODY LIKE ME WHO GOES FROM JOB TO JOB, WHEN
THOSE JOBS ARE AVAILABLE, CONTRACT JOBS FOR SIX MONTHS,
EIGHTHS MONTHS, HOWEVER THEY ARE AVAILABLE, I HAVE TO BUDGET
FOR THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES.
BUT WHEN THOSE CHANGES ARE NOT -- WHEN THOSE CHANGES ARE SO
-- THEY JUST HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
THEY HAPPEN MORE TIMES THAN I CAN ACCOUNT FOR OR HAPPEN AT
TIMES WHEN I AM NOT PREPARED FOR THEM BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET
I HAVE TO SET IN PLACE.
THROWS ME INTO A CRISIS.
IT SHAKES MY HOUSEHOLD.
MY KIDS ARE HERE WITH ME TODAY IN SUPPORT, BUT THEY WILL
HAVE TO BE WITH ME.
BECAUSE WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUDGET FOR
THOSE TYPE OF CHANGES, I CAN'T AFFORD FOR THEM TO GO TO
AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS OR SUMMER PROGRAMS.
THAT $100 MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MY HOUSEHOLD.
AND IF WE HAD SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE -- IF WE HAD RENT
STABILIZATION, I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF FLEXIBILITY
WITHIN MY HOUSE HOLD.
I WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE ON PINS AND NEEDLES.
I WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WHAT THE NEXT JOB IS GOING
TO PAY.
I WOULD BE ABLE TO BUDGET BETTER.
I WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR A LIFESTYLE TO ALLOW FOR
MY CHILDREN NOT TO STAND NEXT TO ME WHILE I SPEAK OF ADULT
ISSUES.
IF IT HE WANTS FOR THE SUPPORT OF MY FAMILY, I WOULD BE MORE
SHAKEN UP.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE OR THE EXECS
WHOEVER IT IS I AM PUT IN PLACE, WHO I AM SUPPORTING IS IN
SUPPORT OF LIKE ME.
I AM ONLY HOPING THERE IS MORE OF A INTEREST IN YOUR HEART
THAN SHOWING ON WHAT SOME OF THE PANEL'S FACES RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THE PANELISTS.
THEIR EYES HAVE BEEN CLOSING THE WHOLE TIME.
I AM HOMING IT IS IN YOUR HEART TO MAKE THE CHANGE AND NOT
NECESSARILY YOUR FACIAL EXPRESSIONS.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:51:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:51:45AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
IT IS GOOD TO SEE RADAR.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO RADAR IS PROBABLY.
AND MOST PEOPLE WON'T KNOW TO CRUNK MAN IS.
IF RADAR AND CRUNK MAN BE IN THE SAME BUILDING AT THE SAME
TIME, SPEAKS A LOT OF THE AMBITIONS AND ASPIRATIONS OF
AFRICAN PEOPLE.
AND SHOW WE HAVE A CONCERN.
THE WOMEN THAT COME WITH WEEK AFTER WEEK TO SPEAK ON THE
ISSUE OF HOUSING, THAT IS SERIOUS.
AND SO WHAT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS NO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND IS
THAT IT HAS TO BE SOME FORM OF PROGRESSIVE CHANGE.
WE NEED PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE REAL NEEDS OF
AFRICAN PEOPLE.
THE FUTURE OF OUR RACE.
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
OUR SENIOR CITIZENS.
NO MORE BAND-AID KNEE-JERK REACTION ROW PROGRAM.
NO MORE LOTTERY HOUSING, WEED AND SEED, SAY NO TO DRUGS,
CRIME.
GUN BUYBACK.
IT IS TO APPEASE THE MOST VULNERABLE.
TEMPORARY BAND-AIDS AND SUGGESTIONS AND SOLUTIONS.
GOOD ENOUGH TO HOLD THE POOR AND WORKING-CLASS IN CHECK TO
PUT GENTRIFICATION PROGRAMS IN EFFECT.
A MASTER PLAN.
THE BLUEPRINTS ARE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC OFFICES ALL OVER THE
WORLD.
CORPORATE BOARD ROOMS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
IT IS CALLED CAPITALISM.
A PROGRAM OF POLITICAL, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM THAT
DISPOSSESSES THE POOR, MAKE RICH ENTITLED.
MAKE WORKERS INCREASE IN PRODUCTIVITIES BUT NO PAY
INCREASES.
RAISE GAS PRICES AS THEY SEE FIT TO BENEFIT THEIR MARGIN.
THE SYSTEM HAS 90% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION LIVING IN
ABJECT POLICY IN ADDITION TO TODAY'S LIVING STANDARDS.
A SYSTEM CALLED COLONIALISM, CAPITALISM, IMPERIALISM, SHARE
CROP AND CONVICT LEASING ON THE BACKS OF OTHER SOPHISTICATED
NAMES RECRUIT THE UNSUSPECTING TO PARTICIPATE IN.
WE NEED EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.
WE NEED A SYSTEM CALLED FAIR HOUSING.
WE NEED A SYSTEM CALLED REPARATIONS.
IN THIS CITY OF TAMPA, WE NEED A SYSTEM CALLED GUARANTEED
26% OF THE UPCOMING BUDGET.
WE HAVE 26% OF THE POPULATION.
AND WE NEED 26% OF THIS BUDGET.
AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO EXPERIENCE OUR ENTIRE LIFE
EXPECTANCY FIGHTING FOR BASIC NECESSITIES AFRICAN PEOPLE
SHOULD NOT TO HAVE EXPERIENCE OUR ENTIRE FIGHT FOR BASIC
NECESSITIES AND FIGHTING FOR ALIENABLE RIGHTS.
WE NEED ORLANDO GUDES TO ADDRESS EXACTLY HOW THE CITY OF
TAMPA WILL APPROACH THE REPARATIONS FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE
RETROACTIVELY AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET 26% OF THE
UPCOMING BUDGET.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:54:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS.
10:54:56AM >> IF GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
ROD HATCHENS.
YOU DEAL WITH A LOT OF COMPLEX ISSUES.
I DO NOT ENVY YOU.
I'M HERE TO TALK OF A SIMPLE ISSUE.
IT IS LITTER.
COUNCIL WILL DISCUSS INCREASING LITTER FINES IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A MISDEMEANOR WITH $1,000 FINE AND
BASIC COMMUNITY SERVICE.
GIVING A $500 FINE WILL BE EASY TO INSTITUTE AND FALL IN
LINE WITH THE EXISTING ORDINANCES, A $500 FINE IS A GREAT
START FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO ADDRESS THE SOURCE OF LITTER
WHICH IS SELFISH, CARELESS PIGS THAT THROW THE REFUSE IN THE
STREETS AND ENDS UP IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, BAY,
WATERWAYS FOR 600 YEARS OR MORE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS AND ADD A FEW OTHER
THINGS TOO.
NUMBER ONE, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF A LITTER FINE INCREASE IS TO
PROVIDE TEETH TO A COMPELLING ANTI-LITTER CAMPAIGN THAT THIS
CITY WILL HAVE.
I AM SURE MOST OF YOU REMEMBER THE KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL
COMMERCIAL YEARS AGO.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU PROBABLY ARE TOO YOUNG.
10:55:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I REMEMBER.
10:56:00AM >> SHOWING THE NATIVE-AMERICAN GLANCING AT THE LITTER -- NO
OFFENSE TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
YOU PROBABLY ARE AS WELL.
VERY COMPELLING.
THIS FINE WITH THE COMPELLING SIGNAGE CAMPAIGN WILL PROVIDE
THE NECESSARY TEETH TO DO JUST THAT.
BY THE WAY NOTHING COMPELLING OF KEEP IT CLEAN TAMPA WHICH
IS ANOTHER DRUM I WILL CONTINUE TO BEAT.
THE CITY JUST SPENT $670,000 ON THE LITTLE SKIMMER AND MADE
A COMMITMENT OF PROVIDING A BUDGET FOR MAINTENANCE, FUEL AND
PERSONNEL IN EXCESS OF $100,000 AND IGNORED THE SOURCE OF
THE LITTER WHICH THE LITTLE SKIMMER PICKS UP.
IT MISSES THE MAJORITY OF THE LITTER THAT PASSES THROUGH THE
WATERWAYS.
POINT NUMBER THREE, SINCE MOVING TO TAMPA SEVEN YEARS AGO, I
FIRST BLAMED INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY WITH STREET CLEANUPS,
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER CLEANUPS.
A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS IN ADDITION TO KEEP TAMPA BAY
BEAUTIFUL, PURE INITIATIVE, TAMPA'S GREEN TEAM, OTHER
NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND PICK UP
HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OF LITTER IN EACH EVENT THEY ORGANIZE AND
EACH MONTH DEDICATE THEIR TIME AND PICK UP THE SAME AMOUNT
OF LITSER.
I HAVE BEEN TALKING OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY ARE
PRETTY FED UP.
IT IS ABOUT TIME TO STOP PICK IT UP UNTIL THE CITY OF TAMPA
GETS OFF THEIR HANDS AND ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
A $1,000 FINE.
TPD IS UNDERSTAFFED AND OVERWORKED.
THE REPORTS FROM.
POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT CRY NATIONS AND YOU 15 POUNDS DOES NO
THE EXIST.
AND LASTLY AND A FEW THINGS.
I AM NOT NAIVE.
I KNOW THIS WON'T ELIMINATE LITTER BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU
GUY CAN EFFECT.
YOU ALL TALK OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
OCEAN LEVELS RISING.
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN EFFECT IN OUR LIFETIME TODAY.
THIS IS SOMETHING SIMPLE.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY TOO.
I AM PRETTY MOVED BY A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS TODAY.
SHAKE IT UP.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS THERE IS A LAW THAT YOU CAN'T DECLARE AN
EMERGENCY.
SO WHAT.
BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN PERMISSION.
10:58:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:58:04AM >> LATISHA P. IN RELATION TO TAMPA HIGHLANDS.
I AM QUESTIONING -- WE HAVE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES WITH
REGARD OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF THIS
APARTMENT COMPLEX.
WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT INVESTIGATION AGENCY IS GOING TO STEP
IN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
BECAUSE AFTER ALL OF THESE FUNDINGS ARE EXHAUSTED.
THEY KEEP REMAIN THAT IT IS INCREASING AND NOBODY HAS DONE
ANYTHING ABOUT IT TO FIGURE OUT A METHOD TO THE MADNESS.
A LOT OF FAIR HOUSING ACT VIOLATION, DISCRIMINATION,
HARASSMENT, UNFAIR TREATMENT OF THE SENIORS.
AND WE NEED TO KNOW WHO IS GOING TO STEP IN TO FIGURE THIS
OUT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.
WE HAVE THIS MANAGEMENT COMPANY TREATING THESE SENIORS
UNFAIRLY.
AND IN REALITY, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOW IS IT AFFORDABLE
IF THESE SENIOR ARE ON FIXED NORTH CAROLINA AND THE RENT
GOES UP THAT YOU CAN'T BUDGET WHAT IS GOING ON.
CAN WE HAVE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED?
CAN WE HAVE AN INVESTIGATION DONE?
WHAT IS GOING ON.
10:59:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:59:32AM >> HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE McFARLAND.
AND I AM A VOTER AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT FLORIDA RISING, AS
WELL AS -- I TOOK OFF TODAY TO BE HERE BECAUSE I WORK TWO
JOBS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I PAY $1250 FOR A ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT
WORKING BOTH OF MY JOBS.
AND I AM DEALING WITH I AM GONE SUN UP TO SUN DOWN AND I
COME HOME AND I DEAL WITH FLOOD.
NOW THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I AM PAYING A MONTH -- AND I
ONLY HAVE BEEN IN THIS APARTMENT I AM HAVING HELL WITH FOR
30 DAYS.
I JUST MOVED IN THIS APARTMENT.
SO I'M HERE TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON TODAY ANd
I AM SPEAKING FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T COME UP HERE TO SPEAK
BECAUSE I WORK HARD.
I WORK REAL HARD.
I WORK REAL, REAL HARD.
AND STRESSFUL FOR ME WHEN I WALK HOME, I HAVE TO TO WALK
ANKLE HIGH WHEN IT RAINS.
WE ARE IN HURRICANE SEASON.
RAINS A LOT IN FLORIDA.
I LEAVE MY HOUSE THE WATER SITS.
I ALREADY CALLED THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
BEFORE I CAME HERE, I JUST LEFT THE COURTHOUSE.
I AM FILING PAPERWORK NOW BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I AM
PAYING, I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE AMOUNT
BECAUSE I AM IN A ONE BEDROOM AND MY KIDS ARE GROWN I DON'T
THINK I SHOULD BE PAYING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IF I HAVE TO
LIVE LIKE THIS.
I PAY FOR OUTSIDE -- OUTSIDE PEOPLE -- THE TERMINEX COME
OUTS AND SPRAY MY APARTMENT AND TREAT MY APARTMENT BECAUSE I
DON'T LIVE LIKE THAT.
I AM DEALING WITH MOLD ON MY CABINETS.
I COMPLAINED TO THE APARTMENTS.
I AM KEEPING ALL OF MY DOCUMENTS THAT I PUT IN THE PORTAL
AND EVERYTHING.
I AM KEEPING -- I AM TAKING VIDEOS.
I BARELY HAVE PICTURES.
I AM REGARDING VIDEOS AND EVERYTHING CONCERNED WITH MY
APARTMENT.
SO I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW I'M HERE JUST TO LET YOU
ALTHOUGH THAT PLEASE JUST TRY TO HELP EVERYBODY WITH THIS
SITUATION.
BECAUSE IT'S HARD.
IT'S HARD.
IT'S HARD.
I ONLY HAVE TWO DAYS OFF.
LUCKY MY JOB -- I AM GETTING PAID BEING HERE.
BUT GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
11:02:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
11:02:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:02:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:02:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOUNG LADY, DO YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS?
11:02:17AM >> SO ARE ROW?
11:02:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
11:02:22AM >> YES.
11:02:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GO IN THAT DOOR AND GIVE MISS WILCOX AND WE
WILL TALK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE -- THE SECRETARY
OF -- I AM SURPRISED.
THE SECRETARY OF BUSINESS CALLED ME AND --
11:02:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SHE CALLED EVERYBODY.
CALLED EVERYBODY AND WE DECIDED WHO TAKES
JURISDICTION ON WHAT.
11:02:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AND FIGURED WHERE
THE COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN WAS LYING AT.
AND I AM GLAD THEY WERE ABLE TO CALL AND HEAR FROM THE
COUNCILMEMBERS OUR CONCERNS.
AND THEY ASSURED THEY HAVE ENOUGH STAFF AND ON IT AND
WORKING TO GET SOME OF THESE ISSUES SOLVED.
I DID TELL THE SECRETARY FOR THE RECORD WHAT I SEE IS
HAPPENING IS YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF POOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
LIVING IN UNDESIRABLE PLACES AND RENTS ARE INCREASING
QUADRUPLE.
AND WHY DO I PAY THIS KIND OF MONEY BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES.
I THINK THEY ARE UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THEIR LEVEL.
I WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD WE DID -- THE STATE DID CALL US
AND THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO WORK TO DO A BETTER
JOB ON IT.
11:03:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:03:48AM >> MY NAME IS MELISSA BOTIT.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT STORMWATER RUNOFF.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF -- TREE CAN BE A SOLUTION SO A LOT OF
OUR PROBLEMS.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT GLOBAL WARMING IS.
THE INCREASE IN THE EARTH'S TEMPERATURE, HEATED TEMPERATURES
HAVE BEEN BLAMED FOR MODIFYING RAINFALL PATTERNS.
ALTERING GROWTH.
ICE CAPS AND RANGE OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MORE POPULACE AREAS SUFFER MORE HEALTH
WISE DUE TO EMISSIONS FROM VEHICLES, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS
AND HOMES WITH LESS TREES TO FILTER OUT THE CARBON DIOXIDE
AND PROVIDE FRESH OXYGEN.
THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT IS BENEFICIAL FOR LIFE ON EARTH.
BY CUTTING DOWN CARBON ABSORBING FORESTS SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH
THE HIGH USE OF FOSSIL FUELS, CARBON DIOXIDE LEVELS HAVE
INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY.
AIR POLLUTION IS ONE OF THE LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH AROUND
ITS WORLD.
THE POPULATION OF TAMPA IS ALMOST 400,000, 53rd LARGEST CITY
IN THE UNITED STATES.
THE AREA OF THE CITY OF TAMPA OF APPROXIMATELY 175 SQUARE
MILES THAT EQUATES TO 2285 PEOPLE LIVING IN EACH SQUARE MILE
OF LAND, 28,576 TREES LOCATED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
EQUATES TO ABOUT 12 AND A HALF PEOPLE PER ONE TREE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA TREES HAVE BEEN ESTIMATED TO REMOVE ABOUT
14 MILLION POUNDS OF CARBON DIOXIDE PER YEAR.
ASIDE FROM REMOVING POLLUTION, TREES ALSO HELP CONSERVE
ENERGY BY LOWERING COOLING COSTS.
THEY FILTER STORMWATER RUNOFF AND 345TURE TREES INCREASE
PROPERTY VALUES.
COSTA RICA IS THE FIRST TROPICAL COUNTRY TO STOP AND
SUBSEQUENTLY REVERSE DEFORESTATION.
IN 1940, 70% OF COSTA RICA WAS CLOAKED IN LUSH RAIN FOREST
AND THEY CLEARED THE LAND TO RAISE LIVESTOCK.
19 50, FOREST COVERED ONE OF HALF OF COSTA RICA.
1975 FOREST COVER DECLINED TO 25%.
SOON AFTER THE GOVERNMENT IN 1996 MADE IT ILLEGAL TO CHOP
DOWN FORESTS WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM AUTHORITIES AND THE
FOLLOWING YEAR IT INTRODUCED PES.
COSTA RICA'S PAYMENTS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES PROGRAM IS
A FINANCIAL MECHANISM OF THE STATE TO THE OWNERS AND HOLDERS
OF FORESTS AND FOREST PLANTATIONS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL
SERVICES THEY PROVIDE.
IN THIS PROGRAM, LANDS OWNERS RECEIVE DIRECTS PAYMENTS FOR
THE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES THAT THEIR LANDS PRODUCE WHEN
ADOPTING SUSTAINABLE ST. LOUIS AND FOREST MANAGEMENT
TECHNIQUES.
MAKE DIRECT CASH TRANSFERS TO PRIVATE LANDOWNERS TO FIVE TO
TEN-YEAR CONTRACTS FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES OF FOREST
PROTECTION, REFORESTATION, SUSTAINABLE MANAGEMENT AND AGRA
FOREST ROW.
I PROPOSE A PROGRAM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PAY HOMEOWNERS
TO PLANT LOCAL TREES AND BRING MULTIPLE BENEFITS TO TAMPA
THANK YOU.
11:07:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
11:07:03AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS NATHAN HAGEN.
I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO SUPPORT MY FRIENDS IN ASKING FOR
RELIEF.
WE ARE IN A HOUSING CATASTROPHE RIGHT NOW THAT REQUIRES
EXTRAORDINARY ACTIONS TO ADDRESS.
AND WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR TENANTS CITYWIDE.
IF YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA THAN BANNING PRICE GOUGING, MAKE A
MOTION AND DO IT.
IF YOU DON'T, LET'S THE PEOPLE VOTE ON IT.
FOR ME, IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
THEY MAY NOT VOTE FOR IT.
THEY MAY NOT PASS IF IT GOES FOR AN ELECTION.
MAY NOT WORK.
THERE MAY BE PEOPLE FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES BY LANDLORDS
WHO ARE UNSCRUPULOUS AND WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FOLKS AND
CAN'T IN A REGIME OF RENT STABILIZATION.
THOSE PEOPLE WILL GOUGE THOSE TENANTS ANYWAY.
A SAD SITUATION EITHER WAY YOU GO.
OTHER PLACES HAVE DONE THIS.
MOST OF EUROPE IS -- HAS RENT CONTROL.
IT IS NOT -- IT IS NO THE A RADICAL IDEA THAT HAS NOT WORKED
ANYWHERE.
DOWNSIDES.
NOT A PERFECT POLICY.
IT DOESN'T SOLVE ANY PROBLEM.
ONE ITEM IN A LONG MENU OF THINGS
YOU ARE CONCERNED OF DEVELOPERS.
EXCLUDE DEVELOPMENT.
A ONE-YEAR DEAL.
IF WE NEED ANOTHER SOLUTION, MAYBE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT
THIS AGAIN.
NOT GOING TO SCARE DEVELOPERS AWAY.
THERE IS WAYS TO GET AROUND THAT.
THIS IS FOR HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING DISPLACED.
ONCE WE DO THIS AND STOP THE BLEEDING WE NEED TO PASS
COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE REFORM OF HOUSING THAT NEVER HAPPENS
AGAIN.
MINNEAPOLIS DID THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THE ONLY CITY
THAT DID NOT HAVE SIGNIFICANT RENT INCREASES.
PARKING, EXCLUSIONARY ZONING.
THINGS I COME HERE AND AT THAT YOU CAN ABOUT EVERY WEEK.
REAL SOLUTION THAT'S WORKED IN OTHER PLACES.
PLACES LIKE PORTLAND, CALIFORNIA, MINNEAPOLIS AND CHARLOTTE,
ALL KIND OF CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE ADOPTING ST. LOUIS
REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
TAMPA HAS -- LAND USE REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
TAMPA HAS DONE NOTHING.
ONCE WE STOP THE BLEEDING, WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE
REFORM TO BUILD MORE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN, TO
PRESERVE OUR ENVIRONMENT AND SUPPORT TRANSIT.
ALL THAT BEHIND THAT, TODAY WE TALKED ABOUT -- AND TALK
AGAIN ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VISION.
I WOULD ASK ALL OF YOU TO -- TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER WE HAVE
THE RESOURCES RIGHT NOW AND THE COMMITMENT BY COUNTY, BY --
BY THE CITY, BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PUT THE RESOURCES
MIND THIS VISION TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH IT.
DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO END EXCLUSIONARY ZONING?
DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO REWRITE CHAPTER 27 SO NEIGHBORS
WILL SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL PROVIDE HOUSING THAT WE
NEED.
WE HAVE ISSUE WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WITH OUR
COMP PLAN THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT TAKE REAL HARD WORK
AND RESOURCES TO DO.
I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR THE PLANNERS IN THE ROOM, BUT I HOPE
YOU ALL ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES WE NEED AND
ACCOMPLISH ALL THE GOALS WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE NEXT
YEAR AND A HALF.
THANK YOU.
11:10:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
11:10:32AM >> HELLO, BOBBY CREIGHTON.
I LIVE IN YBOR HEIGHTS.
I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS VERY SHORT BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE HERE
WHO HAVE TESTIMONY THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT FLORIDA RIDE RISING AND ALL THE OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE -- CITIZENS OF THE CITY WHO ARE HERE TO
DISCUSS THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ARE IN.
SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY WE ARE A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.
WELL, YOU JUST HEARD THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER MENTION THAT THERE
ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH REGARDS TO LAND USE REFORM.
WE ARE NOT A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.
WE ARE A VICTIM OF NEGLECTS FROM PREVIOUS COUNCILS TO
RECOGNIZE DUE TO COMPLACENCY WE HAVE PAINTED OURSELVES IN A
CORNER AND PEOPLE ARE OUTS ON THE STREET.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY REALITY NOW TO MAKE CHANGES TO
PREPARE FOR A BETTER FUTURE, A MORE SUCCESSFUL FUTURE, THE
FUTURE WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF THEY WILL
HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD NEXT MONTH.
I STRONG HELY ENCOURAGE YOU LIKE REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART
SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TODAY, TO WORK WITH
HER.
WORK WITH OTHER CITIES.
WORK WITH OTHER CITY COUNCILS.
WORK WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS TO TALK TO TALLAHASSEE THAT WE
NEED CHANGE AND PUTTING UP WITH THE STATUS QUO IS NOT
SUFFICIENT.
THANK YOU.
11:11:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
11:11:56AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ANY NAME IS KEELA McCASKILL AND I'M HERE, OF COURSE, TO
SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
LAST WEEK I MADE A PUBLIC APOLOGY BECAUSE PUBLICLY I DOUBTED
THE LEADERSHIP OF MISS NICOLE TRAVIS.
SHE CAME IN AND REALLY DID THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WAS
EXPECTING.
I PUBLICLY WANT TO SAY I AM SORRY FOR DOUBTING YOUR
LEADERSHIP.
AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE CERTAIN TYPE OF LEADERSHIP
THAT REVITALIZE AND BUILD ENCOURAGEMENT AND MADE ME FEEL THE
HOPE THAT WE CAN CHANGE EAST TAMPA.
WITH HER OF THERE GRUMGO.
THE COMMUNITY IS ENCOURAGED BY THE LEADERSHIP NOW COMMITTED.
I AM A FAIR AND JUST WOMAN.
I PUBLICLY DOUBTED HER AND PUBLICLY I APOLOGIZE.
WE ALREADY KNOW THE ISSUE.
WE LIVE IT.
WE SEE IT.
EXAMPLES HAVE COME UP BEFORE.
EVERYBODY KNOW THAT'S TAMPA IS PRETTY MUCH AT THE FRONT OF
HOUSING CRISIS.
I WAS CONTACTED BY A NATIONAL NEWS STATION WHO SAID WHAT IS
GOING ON IN TAMPA.
THEY FLEW IN WATCH, TO SEE THE MARKET, TO SEE THE DIFFERENT
PEOPLE THAT NEED ASSISTANCE WITH RENTALS AND AS IT RELATES
TO HOUSING.
THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THE LEGAL TEAM SOMEWHAT SAID YOU
GOT TO PROVE IT IS A BURDEN AND CRISIS AND WHATEVER ELSE.
I AM SURE THEY ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO DECLARE THIS AN
EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A LAWSUIT.
THE OPERATIVE WORD IS POSSIBILITY.
WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT MULTIPLE THOUSAND OF PEOPLE ARE BEING
DISPLACED IN TAMPA THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED YOU IN.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ARE B BEING DISPLACED, WORKING
PEOPLE, SHOULD I ADD.
WHAT I KNOW IS THAT TAMPA HAS SEEN A 36% RENTAL SPIKE.
THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
PARTICULARLY -- MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A 36% INCREASE IN
THEIR SALARIES.
WHAT WE KNOW THAT SLUMLORD ACTIVITY IS ON THE RISE.
IN ADDITION TO THE RENT SPIKES, SLUMLORD ACTIVITIES IS ON
THE RISE BECAUSE THEY CAN POTENTIALLY GET MORE MONEY WHERE
THE TENANT ADVOCACY PROGRAM WILL COME INTO PLACE SO YOU
WON'T HAVE RENTAL INCREASES EVERY YEAR.
THEY HAVE A LEASE.
YOU CAN'T INCREASE IT THAT MUCH ANYWAY.
SOMEBODY HAS TO BE LOOKING AT THAT.
WE ARE VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.
WE WERE NOT -- WE DIDN'T PROPERLY PREPARE FOR ALL THE
GROWTH.
WE WEREN'T PREPARED FOR THE GROWTH BUT NOT MAKE CAN THIS AN
EMERGENCY, IT WILL HELP TO PROTECTS THE PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS
IN THIS CITY.
WE KNOW THAT $5 MILLION WAS PLACED IN A FUNDS TO ASSIST.
AND IT WAS DEPLETED IN TWO DAYS.
MY QUESTION TODAY IS, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEEDS TO SEE?
WHAT ELSE HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE URGENCY OF A CRISIS IS
DECLARED.
WHEN THERE WAS A HURRICANE, THE ONLY REASON IT WAS DECLARED
AN EMERGENCY IS BECAUSE MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE
BEING DISPLACED.
IT WASN'T THE WATER.
IT WASN'T THE WIND.
IT WAS MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE BEING DISPLACED.
I AM NOT SEEING THE URGENCY AS IT RELATES -- AS IF -- AS
THIS WERE HURRICANE.
WE NEED TO SEE THE SAME URGENCY IN THIS CRISIS.
IT IS AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE
BEING DISPLACED.
NOT DOING THIS WILL DECREASE VOTERS.
WE DON'T CARE WHO IS IN OFFICE IF WE ARE LIVING IN OUR CAR.
WE DON'T CARE WHO IS OFFICE IN WE ARE TAKING BATHS IN
McDONALD'S.
AGAIN, WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE AND ENCOURAGE THAT THIS
BE DECLARED AN EMERGENCY.
THANK YOU.
11:15:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN -- LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, UNLESS I SEE NO ONE ELSE GETTING UP TO MY LEFT
YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK.
THIS WOMAN WILL BE THE LAST TO SPEAK IN CHAMBERS.
GOOD MORNING.
11:15:41AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M HERE TO TALK OF THE NEW REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO GET AN
APARTMENT.
11:15:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOUR NAME PLEASED.
11:15:46AM >> ZACARA MOREL.
THE NEW REQUIREMENTS, YOU NEED TO MAKE THREE TIMES THE
INCOME TO GETS IN AN APARTMENT.
I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO IS 24 NOW.
SHE IS A NURSE HERE IN TAMPA.
BECAUSE SHE WAS $50 SHORT OF THE THREE TIMES THE INCOME, SHE
COULDN'T GET AN APARTMENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER APARTMENTS THAT IT IS BASED ON INCOME,
SHE MADE TOO MUCH INCOME TO GET INTO THOSE.
SO, I MEAN, THERE IS NOTHING IN BETWEEN.
YOU EITHER NOT MAKE ENOUGH OR MAKE TOO MUCH.
LIKE WHAT IS IT THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT.
SO BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T -- $50 SHORT HERE AND TOO MUCH HERE,
SHE WAS FORCE TO LIVE WITH ME EVEN THOUGH SHE IS NURSING
HOME AND MAKING GOOD MONEY AND CAN AFFORD TO PAY HER RENT.
HOW DO WE GO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FINDING SOMEWHERE IN THE
MIDDLE FOR THE ONES WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY RENT.
CAN WE AT LEAST TRY TO START THERE?
ARE THEY GOING TO ANSWER?
CAN YOU AT LEAST TRY TO FIND SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE FOR THE
ONES WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY REPRESENT BUT $50 SHORT OVER HERE
AND TOO MUCH OVER THERE.
IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.
IT IS RIDICULOUS AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT WITH, OF COURSE, FLORIDA RISING.
HOW CAN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND VOTERS STABILIZE RENT?
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MUST PASS AN ORDERS NANCE THAT IDENTIFIED
AND BACKS UP WITH EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING
EXISTING R HOUSING EMERGENCY WHICH IS SO GRAVE WHICH TO
CONSTITUTE A SERIOUS MENACE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO NOT NEED TO DECLARE AN OFFICIAL STATE
OF EMERGENCY LIKE THEY MIGHT -- SORRY, LIKE THEY MIGHT
DURING A HURRICANE.
AND IN THAT SAME ORDINANCE, THEY SHOULD PROPOSE THE POLICY
INTERVENTION THAT THEY WILL ADDRESS THE CRISIS.
SUCH AS LIMITING RENT HIKES.
THE LAW REQUIRES THEM TO FIND THAT SUCH CONTROLS ARE
NECESSARY AND PROPER TO ELIMINATE THE HOUSING EMERGENCY.
IF THE ORDINANCE PASSED, THE QUESTION MUST THEN GO TO THE
VOTERS.
IF THE VOTERS APPROVE IT, THE POLICY CAN BE IN PLACE FOR ONE
YEAR UNDER FLORIDA LAW.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND VOTERS MUST REPEAT THESE STEPS EACH
FOLLOWING YEAR TO KEEP THE POLICY ENFORCED.
I -- YOU KNOW, I COME HERE EVERY WEEK.
PEOPLE COME HERE EVERY WEEK.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED.
I AM SO SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVE TO -- IF WE -- IT IS A SHAME THAT WE HAVE TO FORCE
YOU TO HAVE THE WILL -- THE YOUNG LADY SAID EARLIER WHICH
WAS VERY TELLING.
NOT LOOKING AT YOUR FACES SHE HOPES SHE REACHES YOUR HEART.
THE POSSIBILITY SUPPOSEDLY WHAT COULD HAPPEN, ALL THOSE
OTHER THINGS IS OUT OF THE WINDOW.
YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY -- IF PEOPLE ARE HURTING AND YOU
KNOW THEY ARE, YOU HAVE YOU A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE RIGHT
THING.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS LEFT RIGHT NOW, YOU ALREADY DECLARED
IT A HOUSING CRISIS BACK IN FEBRUARY.
NOW WE NEED FOR YOU TO HAVE THE WILL TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT
SO WE, THE PEOPLE THAT PUT YOU IN OFFICE CAN VOTE ON IT.
POINT-BLANK, PERIOD.
IT'S -- IT'S AMAZING TO ME.
RENT -- AS I SAID LAST WEEK, MONEY IS COMING INTO THE SYSTEM
HAND OVER FIST, RIGHT.
SUPPORT IT IS ABOUT SUPPORTING PEOPLE WITH RENT ISSUES
SUPPORTING PEOPLE WITH MORTGAGE ISSUES.
SUPPORTING PEOPLE WITH EVERYTHING.
THAT MONEY WILL STOP AND WHERE WILL WE BE.
YOU WRING YOUR HANDS EVERY WEEK.
I WATCH YOU.
WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TO YOU DO SOMETHING.
AN EXAMPLE WAS GIVEN LAST WEEK WHAT YOU DO UP HERE AND WHAT
YOU SAY IN THE COMMUNITY.
COME INTO THE COMMUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND
VOTING DIFFERENTLY UP THERE.
WE ARE WATCHING YOU.
SO IT IS PUTTING YOU ON POINT.
I AM SO SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
11:20:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
MADAM CLERK, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE.
MR. DeANGELO, ARE YOU THERE?
11:20:23AM >> YES, I AM.
11:20:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MR.
DEANGELO.
11:20:28AM >> ANGEL DEANGELO BORN AND RAISED HERE IN TOUCHDOWN.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE BEHAVIOR OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
ON SATURDAY WAS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
NOT COMPLETELY SURPRISING BUT UNACCEPTABLE.
THE RAISE.
CREATIVE LOAFING SAID THEY HAD 19 SCANDALS IN THE LAST YEAR.
UNDER DOJ INVESTIGATION FOR RACISM YET AGAIN.
LIKE A 1% RAISE FOR EVERY SCANDAL.
I AM THINKING ABOUT APPLYING MYSELF.
BECAUSE IF I PERFORMED THAT WAY, I WOULDN'T BE GETTING A
RAISE.
I WOULD BE GETTING 0% PAY.
THROWING THAT OUT THERE I KNOW THAT WON'T MOVE Y'ALL BUT WE
WILL DO MORE OF THE SAME.
MORE POLICING INSTEAD OF RESOURCES.
YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS IS A HOUSING EMERGENCY.
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
BUT DON'T ACT QUICKLY THIS WILL BE A STAIN ON YOUR LEGACY AS
AN ELECTED BODY, AS A RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
AND A HUMAN BEING.
YOU HAVE THE POWER.
WE DON'T.
BUT WE SHOULD AT LEAST.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BALLOT AND VOTE ON IT.
WITH THE RENT INCREASING OVER 30% ON AVERAGE, THEY DON'T
NEED TO INCREASE IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
LIKE, CONTROL IT COMPLETELY.
I AM FOR CONTROL.
BUT IF WE NEED TO STABILIZE AND GIVE THEM LIKE A 5% -- FINE.
DO ONE OF THOSE THINGS, BUT DO IT QUICKLY.
WE HAVE BEEN COMING TO YOU SINCE FEBRUARY -- I HAVE BEEN
COMING TO YOU ALL FOR YEARS.
BUT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE SINCE FEBRUARY.
MONTH AND MONTH AND MONTH PASSED.
I COULD NOT DELAY ON MY JOB LIKE YOU ARE.
I EXPECT A STATE OF EMERGENCY DECLARED TODAY.
ANYONE WHO DOES NO THE VOTE ON IT, DOES NOT APPROVE OF IT,
YOU CAN EXPECT THAT MATTER YOUR RECORD ON ANY OTHER ISSUE I
WILL NOT ADVOCATE FOR YOU TO BE REELECTED.
I WILL ADVOCATE FOR THE OPPOSITE.
WE NEED ELECTED LEADER WHO WILL DO WORK THAT IS REQUIRED.
THANK YOU AND I HOPE YOU -- REQUIRED.
THANK YOU AND I HOPE YOU PASS THE TEST.
11:22:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
FLORIDA GARDUNO.
ARE YOU ONLINE?
11:22:27AM >> YES, I AM, THANK YOU.
11:22:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:22:29AM >> ERIC GARDUNO.
BAY AREA APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
PO BOX 1598.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND
CERTAINLY A A LOT OF HOUSING ISSUE THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED
TODAY.
EVERYBODY CAN AGREE THAT RENTS ARE -- HAVE GONE UP.
THAT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT, WE KNOW THAT.
LAST YEAR I THINK WE MADE A -- THE DATA POINT THAT WAS CITED
COAST STAR DATA INCREASED 24%.
DATA POINT THAT EVERYBODY IN MY INDUSTRY, EVERYBODY IN THE
COMMUNITY CAN AGREE TO.
THAT WAS -- YOU KNOW, THAT IS BASED ON ACTUAL DATA.
WELL, OTHER DATA POINTS THAT PEOPLE, I THINK, NEEDS TO BE
UPDATED ON BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAINLY CHANGES IN THE MARKET
THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
SO THIS IS ALSO RECENTLY REPORTED FROM CO-STAR.
ONE, TAMPA IS AMONG THE TOP TEN MARKETS WITH THE HIGHEST NEW
SUPPLY COME INTO THE MARKET COMPARED TO THE THREE-YEAR
AVERAGE.
TWO, TAMPA IS AMONG THE TOP TEN MARKETS OF VACANCY RATES
INCREASE BETWEEN FOURTH QUARTER 2021.
AND SECOND QUARTER 2022.
THIRD, TAMPA IS AMONG THE TOP TEN MARKETS THAT SEE THE
HEAVIEST DECLINE IN RENT GROWTH.
THAT 24% FIGURE THAT WAS LAST YEAR IS ACCORDING TO CO-STAR
NOW'S 14%.
THEY ARE PROJECTS IT TO GO DOWN TO 8% BY THE END OF THE
YEAR.
THIS IS A RESULT OF MORE UNITS COMING ONLINE.
THAT THE WHOLE POINT.
WE NEED MORE HOUSING BUILT AND PUTTING UP VARIOUS ORDINANCES
AND LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS THAT WOULD DISCOURAGE HOUSING IS
THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO.
WE DEFINITELY AGREE THAT LAND USE CHANGES AND NEW PROGRAMS
THAT FOCUS ESPECIALLY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WHAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS IN THAT CATEGORY.
AND WE WOULD LOVE TO COME AND SHARE THEM WITH YOU EACH, CITY
COUNCILMEMBERS, AND REALLY WORK WITH YOU AND OTHERS IN THE
COMMUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON AN AGENDA THAT WILL ACTUALLY
HELP THE HOUSING SITUATION.
THANK YOU.
11:24:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MISS NURSE, ARE YOU ON LINE?
11:24:45AM >> CHAIR, THE ONLY OTHER REGISTERED SPEAKER LOGGED ON AT
THIS TIME IS MISS CARROLLL ANN BENNETT.
11:24:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU THERE?
11:24:57AM >> YES, I AM.
HELLO EVERYBODY, CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA AND THE T.H.A.N. REPRESENTATIVE
IN THE STAKEHOLDER THAT'S THE CITY IS MEETING WITH REGARDING
PURE.
ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, WE CAME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE
SOMETHING WAS BEING VOTED ON BY Y'ALL THAT WAS BURIED, THE
VERY LAST LINE, THE VERY TINY BLURRY PRINT ON A DOCUMENT YOU
ARE ALL VOTING ON THAT MENTIONED PURE.
AND WE FOUND OUT BECAUSE NANCY STEVENS AND I COMBED THE
AGENDA AND COMBED THE ITEMS IN SIRE AND WE FOUND IT.
AND WE CAME TO YOU BECAUSE WE WERE VERY UPSETS THAT THE PURE
STAKEHOLDERS WERE NOT NOTIFIED, THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS VOTING
ON SOMETHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH PURE.
AND THE SOLUTION WAS TO REMOVE THAT ONE LINE ITEM FROM WHAT
YOU WERE VOTING ON.
AND SEVERAL REPRESENT TESTIFIES OF THE CITY, INCLUDING JEAN
DUNCAN, APOLOGIZED FOR THE FACT THAT THE PURE -- THE PURE
STAKEHOLDERS WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THIS AND SAID IT WON'T
HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND TODAY IT HAPPENED AGAIN.
I WAS SCOURING THE AGENDA LIKE THE CRAZY PERSON THAT I AM.
AND I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT PURE.
AND NOTIFIED NANCY AND THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND ITS VERY
UPSETTING THAT, YET AGAIN, YOU GUYS WERE -- YOU ALL WERE SET
TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH PURE.
AND NONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS HAD BEEN NOTIFIED.
LAST FRIDAY, WE -- THE STAKEHOLDERS WERE SUPPOSE TO HAVE A
MEETING WITH THE CITY THAT WAS POSTPONED TO TOMORROW.
YET DURING THE BACK AND FORTH E-MAIL ABOUT THAT, NOT ONCE
WAS IT MENTIONED THAT YOU GUYS -- YOU ALL WERE SPEAKING ON
SOMETHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH PURE.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A DELIBERATE ACTION, BUT I THINK IT IS
A PROBLEM.
A REAL PROBLEM.
WE HAVE GOTTEN REPEATED COMMITMENTS THAT NOTHING ABOUT PURE
WILL SLIDE BY, THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS WILL BE NOTIFIED ABOUT
ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON WITH PURE.
AND NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE PROMISE THAT, IT IS NOT
HAPPENING.
SO I AM GOING TO ASK YOU AGAIN TO -- I AM TRYING TO BRING
THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION SO, ONCE AGAIN, THERE CAN BE AN
AWARENESS OF THE FACT THAT THIS COMMITMENT HAS BEEN MADE
THAT THE CITIZENS WILL BE NOTIFIED ABOUT ANYTHING AND
EVERYTHING NO MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL THAT HAS TO DO WITH
PURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:27:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE IS NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON LINE.
11:27:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE,
SIR.
11:27:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. GUDES.
11:27:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HEARD ENOUGH TODAY.
I HEARD ENOUGH ALL YEAR ABOUT THIS HOUSING SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY JIVE ME AN ASSIGNMENT.
I SAID A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT I WOULD COME BACK WITH
INFORMATION IN REFERENCE TO THE ASSIGNMENT.
I HAVE COME BACK WITH THAT.
SO I JUST WANT THE CLERK TO ENTER THAT INTO THE RECORD
PLEASE.
GIVE COUNCILMEMBERS A COPY OF WHAT I RESEARCHED.
IN REFERENCE TO THE HOUSING CRISIS AND DECLARING A STATE OF
THE EMERGENCY AND PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS CLEAR THAT TAMPA IS FACING A HOUSING
STATE OF EMERGENCY.
DATA SHOW THAT'S TAMPA IS ONE OF THREE TOP METROS IN THE
STATE IN TERMS OF RENT GROWTH FALLING ONLY BEHIND MIAMI AND
ORLANDO.
TAMPA'S MEDIAN RENT IS $2098 REFLECT CAN 35.8 OVER-THE-YEAR
PRICE INCREASE.
EVERY DAY FAMILIES ARE FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PAYING RENT
OR AFFORDING THE NECESSITIES OF LIFE.
MAY 9, 2022, 64,000 HOUSES IN MANATEE, SARASOTA COUNTIES ARE
BEHIND IN RENT.
ACCORDING TO DATA ON THE U.S. COUNCIL OF HOMELESSNESS,
FLORIDA MASS THE THIRD LARGEST HOMELESS POPULATION IN THE
COUNTRY.
CITE STUDY AFTER STUDY THAT SHOW THAT FLORIDA RESIDENTS ARE
SOME OF THE MOST COST BURDENED IN THE NATION.
I AM SURE THAT EVERY COUNCILMEMBER ON THIS DAIS CAN ATTEST
TO THE INFLUX OF PHONE CALLS, E-MAILS FROM THEIR
CONSTITUENTS SEEKING HOUSING ASSISTANCE.
WAGE -- INSUFFICIENT HOUSING INVENTORY PREPANDEMIC ON THE
TRAJECTORY WE ARE NOW ON IN THE COVID-19 ONLY EXACERBATED
THE PROBLEM.
TAMPA HAS SEEN THE HIGHEST POPULATION GROWTH FROM 2010 TO
2020 AND EXPECTED TO GROW AN ADDITIONAL 27% BY 2025.
GROWTH OF THIS NATURE IS WELCOMED, IT COMES WITH THE -- WITH
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF COMPOUNDING PRESSURES ON THE
ALREADY STRUGGLING HOUSING MARKETS.
ZILLOW REPORTS THAT AVAILABLE OF HOME DROPPED 29.5% IN
OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
LOW VACANCY RATES.
UNAVAILABILITY OF HOUSING HAVE INCREASED HOUSING
VULNERABILITY FOR SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION
INCLUDING CHILDREN.
MOVING THREE OR MORE TIMES IN ONE YEAR OFTEN WITH MULTIPLE
MOVES HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATE WITH NEGATIVE HEALTH OUTCOMES IN
CHILDREN -- IN CHILDREN WHO MOVE FREQUENTLY AND MORE LIKELY
TO HAVE CHRONIC CONDITIONS AND POOR HEALTH SERVICES.
BASED ON THE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE FROM BOTH THE PUBLIC AND
PRIVATE SECTOR, I ASK THAT THE CITY DECLARE A HOUSING
EMERGENCY.
A MOTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE AN AGENDA ITEM
DECLARING THAT A HOUSING EMERGENCY EXISTS WHICH IS SO GRAVE
--
11:30:54AM >> SECOND.
11:30:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
-- CONSTITUTES A GENERAL MENACE TO THE GO
EN RALE PUBLIC AND MEASURES THAT ARE NECESSARY AND PROPER TO
ELIMINATE THE EXISTING HOUSING EMERGENCY.
CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD EXPEDITIOUSLY PREPARE AN ORDINANCE
MEETING REQUIREMENTS, 1.66043 SO A FINAL VOTE BY CITY
COUNCIL AUGUST 23, 2022 ALONG WITH THE LANGUAGE TO BE
PRESENTED ON THE CITY BALLOT TO MEET THE DEADLINE PROVIDED
BY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION FOR THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
AN ATTACHMENT DOCUMENT IS PREPARED BY LEGAL ADVISORS THAT I
HAVE COME ACROSS THAT HAVE GIVEN ME THE INFORMATION TO LAY
OUT REQUIREMENTS NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT FURTHER REVIEW FOR THE
ORDINANCE.
11:31:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:31:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THIS TO BE PREPARED BY CITY LEGAL OR CITY
COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
11:31:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CITY LEGAL.
I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN A DOCUMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF LEGWORK AND REVIEW IT AND
BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR A BALLOT FOR THE VOTERS.
11:31:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST WANTING TO BE SPECIFIC ON THAT.
WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
PLEASE, ANY DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:32:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FIRST OF ALL, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP.
I KNOW IT IS NOT EASY.
NOTHING IS.
BUT I THINK WE -- WE HEARD THE CRIES OF THE PEOPLE.
AND WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
IT IS UP TO US AS A CITY COUNCIL.
IT IS UP TO US AS DECENT HUMAN BEINGS TO HELP ONE ANOTHER IN
WHATEVER CAPACITY THAT WE CAN.
YOU HAVE COME HERE WEEK AFTER WEEK.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUFFERING FOR A LONG TIME.
CALL IT A VICTIM OF OUR SUCCESS, WHATEVER IT IS.
WE CANNOT ALLOW MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO BE ON THE STREET
FACING EVICTION.
IT COULD EFFECT ANYBODY.
WE COULD BE THERE.
ANYBODY IS ONE PAYCHECK AWAY, ONE DISASTER AWAY.
AND WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE
WERE ELECTED TO DO TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING FOR
HELP.
THANK YOU.
11:32:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:32:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I 100% SUPPORT THIS.
IT SHOULD GO ON THE BALLOT.
WE ARE DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS.
PEOPLE ARE COMING TO US.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR HELP.
WE ARE -- WE ARE BEING TOLD THERE IS NOT A LOT WE CAN DO.
BUT WE CAN PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
WE CAN LEAVE IT UP TO THE PEOPLE.
THAT IS WHAT EVERYONE IS ASKING US TO DO.
THEY ARE ASKING US TO HELP.
AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I REALIZED HOW -- I THOUGHT I COULD
GET THINGS DONE FASTER HERE AND THAT IS NOT THE NATURE OF
GOVERNMENT, BUT THE NATURE OF THE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE POWER IS
A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO WE ARE STILL WORKING INCREDIBLY HARD.
AND YOU KNOW IT.
WE ARE WORKING AS PARTNERS TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN IN THE
BACKGROUND AND WILL NOT STOP ME FROM SUPPORTING MORE MONEY
IN THE BUDGET TO HELP PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE PEOPLE WANT THIS DONE.
AND I DON'T SEE A WAY -- I DON'T SEE A REASON NOT SUPPORT
THAT.
THANK YOU ALL.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
11:34:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:34:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, THANK YOU.
THREE YEARS AGO I MADE A MOTION TO SPEND A MINIMUM OF 30%
OF CRA MONEY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I SUPPORTED EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVE THAT WE PUT
FORWARD.
I HAVE SUPPORTED RENT TOLL ASSISTANCE.
I CREATED TAMPA SCORECARD THREE YEARS LOOK TO POINT OUT THE
PROBLEMS OF POVERTY AND DISPARITIES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN,
BLACKS AND WHITES AND OTHER ISSUES TO TRY TO ADDRESS THESE
ISSUES.
BUT I AM -- I AM NOT IN ANY WAY GOING TO SUPPORT PUTTING
ANYTHING ON THE BALLOT.
IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS A SHORT-TERM INITIATIVE.
I HAVE LIVED IN CITIES THAT HAVE RENT CONTROL.
AND IF THE STATE ALLOWED US TO HAVE LONGER RENT CONTROL AND
DO THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY, THAT'S FINE.
IN PHILOSOPHY, TO PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T STUDIED THE -- THE
STATE LEGISLATION, RENT CONTROL SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
BUT BASIC ECONOMICS 101.
IF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE
DISPLACED WHEN THIS STARTS.
AND IT IS NO THE GOING TO BE ON MY SHOULDERS THAT WE
DISPLACE PEOPLE.
BECAUSE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THE LANDLORDS WILL DOUBLE
OR TRIPLE THE RENT EXPECT THIS RENT CONTROL WILL LAST AT
LEAST A YEAR AND THEN MIGHT BE RENEWED.
WHAT I WOULD RATHER WE DO LIKE I PROPOSED WITH
REPRESENTATIVE HART IS THAT WE AND THE FOLKS IN THE ROOM,
LET'S LOBBY TALLAHASSEE TO CHANGE THOSE STATE LAWS.
TAKE AWAY THE PREEMPTIONS AND ALLOW THE CITY TO DO THE
THINGS WE DO.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD AND WORK WITH MANY FOLKS IN
THIS ROOM TO TRY TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND OTHER POLICIES TO
TRY TO MOVE THESE ISSUES FORWARD.
AS I SAID WE HAVE EIGHT YEARS OF NEGLECT.
NOT JUST NEGLECT BUT GOING BACKWARDS.
AN ADMINISTRATION THAT TOOK BENCHES OUT OF PARKS AND FOR
DOWN AFFORDABLE MOUSING AND BRUTALLY ATTACKED POOR PEOPLE.
AND WE TRIED TO CHANGE THAT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, BUT IT
IS REALLY HARD TO CHANGE THESE THINGS IMMEDIATELY.
THIS -- THE REASON WHY I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AND
NOT SUPPORT IT AT ALL IS BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE
SHOULD PASS SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE AND
HURT PEOPLE WHEN WE SHOULD BE PASSING INITIATIVES TO HELP
PEOPLE.
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE OR OUT OF STATE WANTS
THIS AND OBVIOUS THAT SOMEBODY WANTS THIS BECAUSE TAMPA TO
BE THE GUINEA PIG TO CHALLENGE THE STATE LAW.
INSTEAD OF DOING THAT AN ADVOCACY CAMPAIGN TO GET
TALLAHASSEE TO CHANGE THE LAW.
NOT ASPEN HILL HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
OF THIS CITY'S MONEY AND OTHER TAXPAYER MONIES.
LET'S GO STRAIGHT TO TALLAHASSEE AND CHANGE THE LAW.
THIS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
MONEY AND TIME SPENT TO HELP PEOPLE WITH THE REAL PROBLEM.
WHEN THOUSAND OF PEOPLE ARE PUSHED OUT BECAUSE LANDLORDS ARE
DOUBLING AND TRIPLING RATES, I DON'T WANT TO SAY I TOLD YOU
SO THEN, BUT I WILL CRY ALONG WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS WILL
HAVE HURT THEM SO BADLY.
THANK YOU.
11:37:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:37:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE CERTAINLY.
THEY ARE BOTH VALID.
YOU LOOK AT MONEY WELL SPENT.
I EARLIER SAID I DON'T MIND FALLING, I WORRY ABOUT THE
LANDING.
LAWSUITS ARE WON AND LOST.
A LAWSUIT TO ME DOESN'T WORRY ME UNLESS I LOSE IT.
AND THIS CITY IS -- IS GOING TO PAY $175 OR A MILLION THREE
QUARTERS THAT WE VOTED THREE OR FOUR FIVE YEARS BASED ON
ANOTHER CITY'S ORDINANCE AND WE LOST.
WE DIDN'T LOSE.
THEY LOSE.
THE PROBLEM IS OUR -- OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE WROTE MIRRORS
THAT CITY'S.
ARE WE GOING TO WIN THAT ONE?
OF COURSE.
BETTER OFF SELLING IT.
SETTLING THE LAWSUIT.
HOWEVER, LET ME GO BACK.
THERE IS CERTAINLY -- SOMETHING HAS GOT TO TRIGGER THOSE WHO
REALLY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING THIS.
AND IN THIS CASE, YOU ARE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE, IF IT COMES FROM THE CITY,
BUT THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE WHOLE AUTHORITY.
COMES FROM THE HIGHER UP.
NOT TRYING TO PINPOINT THE GOVERNMENT, BUT THE REALITY IS
WHEN YOU ARE A CITY, YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE STATE
GOVERNMENT.
THE COUNTY IS PART OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT.
NOT THE CITY.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS, THE MONIES THAT COME IN.
I HEARD PEOPLE COME TO THE MIC TODAY.
TAKE MONEY FROM THIS ACCOUNT AND THAT ACCOUNT.
THE PROBLEM WITH TAKING MONEY FROM THOSE ACCOUNTS, THOSE ARE
ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE FOR ANYTHING ELSE
OTHER THAN FOR THAT UNIT OF GOVERNMENT THAT CREATES THEIR
OWN MONEY, THAT MAKES THEIR OWN PAYROLL, PAY THEIR OWN
TAXES, PAY THEIR OWN INSURANCE, TO PAY THEIR OWN BOND
SERVICES.
YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT MONEY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT
BECAUSE IT IS BONDED OUT.
IF YOU USE THAT MONEY AND AS SOON AS THEY HEAR ABOUT IT,
YOUR INTEREST RATE IS GOING TO GO UP.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GAINING?
YOU ARE GAINING A NET LOSS.
NOT A NET GAIN.
SO WE BORROW MONEY JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I AM LOOKING AT; HOWEVER, ALL
THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T LIKE TO WALK ANY FENCE.
BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO SLIP AND FALL.
I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE WHEN YOU WALK FENCES.
SO I AM LOOKING AT THIS SAYING JUST MAYBE THIS IS A WAKE-UP
CALL TO ANOTHER GOVERNMENT THAT THEY HAVE SHAKEN THE TREE
ENOUGH THAT THE ACORNS FINALLY FALL.
SO MAYBE I SHOULD SUPPORT THIS EVEN THOUGH I NORMALLY GET A
LAWSUIT AND I KNOW I AM GOING TO LOSE.
I KNOW THAT.
HOWEVER, THE SHAKING OF ANOTHER GOVERNMENT IS WHERE IT COMES
FROM AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T LOSE THERE IF WE LOSE HERE.
THEREFORE, AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON WHAT HE SAID IN A LOT OF
THE AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
I WANT TO SHAKE THAT TREE BECAUSE THIS MONEY IS GOING TO RUN
OUT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
AND IF IT RUNS OUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO
KICK THE CAN TOO.
THE CAN HAS BEEN WORN OUT BEING KICKED SO MANY TIMES.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ENDING SOMEWHERE IN SOME LIFE.
AND LET'S FACE IT, WE ARE ALL BORN WITH A EXPIRATION DATE.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS ON A HUMANITY SIDE.
BUT THIS CAN DOESN'T HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE BECAUSE WE
KICKED IT SO MANY TIMES IT IS WORN OFF, NOT US, BUT THE
WHOLE GOVERNMENT'S PROCESS WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH.
SO I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE WE ARE
GOING TO LOSE.
AND YOU WILL SAY HOW CAN YOU DO THAT?
BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THE END RESULT, NOT THE BEGINNING.
YOU KNOW YOU DON'T WIN EVERY SPORT GAME BY THROWING A
TOUCHDOWN.
SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE YOU KICK A FIELD GOAL.
GUESS WHAT, IT HAS GOT TO GO IN BETWEEN THE TWO GOALPOSTS.
IT IS NOT GUARANTEED AND NEITHER IS THIS.
WE ARE NOT IN THE FOURTH QUARTER.
WE HAVE BEEN ON DOUBLE OVERTIME.
AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE RESULTS.
BECAUSE THIS IS A NEVER-ENDING THING THAT POSSIBLY MAY NEVER
END.
IT MAY GET BETTER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL EVER END.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
11:41:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:41:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND PARDON -- AGAIN, I HAVE COVID, SO MY MIND ISN'T WORKING
AS WELL AS IT USUALLY DOES.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE ON THIS ISSUE.
I THINK THAT ALL SEVEN OF US SHARE A HEART FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND WHATNOT.
IN SHORT, I WILL BE VOTE TO MOVE IN FORWARD AND YES, I HAVE
SOME QUESTIONS FOR LEGAL.
PARTICULARLY ON ONE ISSUE, ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THIS
WILL EFFECT.
THAT IS -- I DON'T WANT TO OVERPROMISE.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY, REALLY BOTHERS ME AS AN
ELECTED OFFICIAL IS -- IS A GENERAL PRINCIPLE, THE IDEA OF
OVERPROMISING THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN
DO THINGS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
THIS COULD BE ONE OF THEM.
I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH SCRUTINY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, HIS WORDS -- I JUST -- COMING IN HIS
DEFENSE.
I KNOW I HAVE BEEN AT THE 6-1, SOMETIMES MYSELF.
AND IT SOMETIMES TAKES A LOT TO DO IT ON A 6-1 VOTE.
HE ALWAYS HAD A STELLAR RECORDS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL VERY, VERY UNITED AT THE
END.
MAYBE DISAGREE ON THE MEANS.
BUT IN THAT REGARD FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY RAMBLING THOUGHTS.
THANK YOU.
11:42:51AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SINCE THIS IS DIRECTED TO LEGAL, IF I CAN
LET'S COUNCIL AWARE OF SOME OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH
THAT ARE PRACTICAL.
FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN GUDES PUT THIS
TOGETHER.
IT LOOKS TO BE LARGELY BASED ON A SIMILAR MEASURE THAT
ORANGE COUNTY TOOK, I THINK, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
11:43:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT CAME -- FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
11:43:15AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BUT THE -- THE OUTLINE OF IT IS VERY, VERY
SIMILAR TO WHAT ORANGE COUNTY JUST MOVED EARLIER THIS WEEK.
WE OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS.
IT NEEDS TO BE TAILORED TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND TAKES A BIT
OF TIME.
WE NEED TO VERIFY THE FINDINGS BEING MADE IN THIS TO MAKE
SURE THEY ARE ACCURATE BECAUSE THE STATUTE DOES REQUIRE WE
MAKE FINDINGS OF THE BASIS OF DECLARING THIS THROUGH THE
HOUSING CRISIS.
WE NEED FINDINGS IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT THIS WILL BE
A MEASURE THAT WILL ADDRESS THAT CRISIS.
ONE OF THINGS THAT -- JUST SO THE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT WE
ARE LACK THAT ORANGE COUNTY HAS WHICH IS THE ONLY OTHER
GOVERNMENT WE ARE AWARE OF IN FLORIDA THAT IS MOVING FORWARD
IN THE SAME DIRECTION OF THIS BODY IS AS ORANGE COUNTY HAS
DONE A HOUSING STUDY.
SO THEY DID HAVE ANALYSIS AND FACTS ON WHICH TO RELY.
ALSO, ORANGE COUNTY IS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT SIMILAR TO THE
POINT THAT ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE ORANGE COUNTY AREA AND YOU
ARE DEALING WITH EVERYONE, NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE THE
AUTHORITY TO DO IT WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT I WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT OUR ANALYSIS MAY BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE ARE
A CITY AND ONLY A FRACTION, A QUARTER OF POPULATION OF
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
A LOT OF THE APARTMENTS AND FOLKS IMPACTED BY RENTAL
INCREASES ARE IN UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT AND
THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO FOLKS.
WE ARE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THING.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF TO
PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER, GIVEN THE TIME FRAME TO GET IT ON THE
NOVEMBER BALLOT IS VERY -- EXTREMELY TIGHT.
AUGUST 23 IS THE DEADLINE TO GET EVERYTHING TO THE
SUPERVISORS ELECTIONS OFFICE.
THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY ORDINANCE, FLORIDA LAW.
THERE HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF TEN DAYS BEFORE FIRST AND
SECOND READINGS.
I WANT TO WARN COUNCIL.
THIS IS IT COMPLICATED.
A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND MAY BE DIFFICULT TO PUT TOGETHER
IN THIS TIME FRAME.
11:45:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME SAY THIS, MR. MACY.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN UP-FRONT TO ME AND I APPRECIATE IN
SAYING THAT.
WE ARE IN A SITUATION HERE.
WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE ATTORNEYS.
WE HAVE -- WE OUTSOURCE ATTORNEYS WITH OTHER FIRMS,
WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
TO ME WITH ALL DUE RESPECTS, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THOSE
EXCUSES.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE.
THE PEOPLE ARE HURTING.
I GO TO POPEYE'S.
THE WHOLE CREW ARE TALKING OF THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX -- NOT
MENTION THE NAME -- RENT THEIR RENT AND THESE PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO BE OUTS.
I GO AND LAST WEEK I VOTED ON AN ISSUE HERE, YOU KNOW.
IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO VOTE ON BECAUSE IT WAS LEGAL, BUT
IN MY HEART IT WAS WRONG.
I GOT STUDENTS RIGHTS NOW -- PARENTS ARE CALLING ME MY KID
CAN'T GO TO SCHOOL THIS YEAR BECAUSE THE SENIORS,
UPPERCLASSMEN ARE MOVING BACK INTO THE DORM.
FRESHMAN CAN'T GO BECAUSE THE PARENTS CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY
FOR HOUSING.
I VOTED ON SOMETHING I HAVE LUXURY STUDENT HOUSING GOING UP
IN PLACES.
HOW DOES THAT LOOK TO PEOPLE WHO SAY YOU VOTED ON THAT.
I EXPLAIN WHY I VOTED ON THAT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT, BUT WHEN I HEAR THESE CASES --
I DON'T KNOW PEOPLE IN THIS DAIS EVER BEEN HUNGRY AND LIGHTS
BEEN OFF COUPLE OF DAYS BECAUSE OF YOUR MOM AND DAD.
THAT HAPPENED TO ME.
TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A JOB.
BECAUSE MY DAD GOT LAID OFF BECAUSE OF HIS BACK.
AND MY MOM WAS SICK.
I HAD MY LIGHTS TURNED OFF.
I HAVE GONE A WEEK WITHOUT EATING AND SAYING, MAN, WE ARE SO
HUNGRY.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
IT MAY NOT BE SEEN -- OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIKE OH, HE -- THAT
ANGRY BLACK MAN.
NO, NO, NO, I AM DOING THAT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME
OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT THEY ARE GOING
THROUGH.
IF YOU NEVER EXPERIENCE SOMETHING, YOU DON'T KNOW.
BUT I EXPERIENCED THOSE THINGS.
THE PASSION IN ME THAT MAKES ME DO THIS.
I CAN'T SIT UP HERE AND BE THE REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT 5
AND MY DISTRICT IS MULTIFACETED, RICH PEOPLE, POOR PEOPLE,
ALCOHOLICS, DRUG ADDICTS.
I HAVE EVERYBODY.
53% WHO ARE COUNTING ON ME ALL THE TIME.
ALL THE TIME THEY ARE COUNTING ON ME.
I AM SORRY.
SOME PEOPLE WILL BE UPSET BUT SO BE IT.
WE GET SUED ALL THE TIME.
I HAVE BEEN SUED.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
LET'S GET THE JOB DONE.
DO WHAT WE CAN TO DO GET IT BACK HERE AND GET THE JOB DONE.
THAT IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT TO DO.
AGAIN, I RESPECT YOU, SIR.
11:47:51AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I APPRECIATE THAT AND I AM NOT SAYING -- I
AM NOT SAYING THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WILL NOT WORK ON
THIS AND TRY TO MOVE IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
BUT MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF THE TIME FRAMES AND THERE ARE
STEPS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.
AND ANALYSIS AND JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE.
11:48:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I UNDERSTAND.
11:48:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:48:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FURTHERMORE ON THAT CAN ITEM.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING
THAT IS IS AFFORDABLE.
SO I AM JUST THROWING IT OUT.
YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THE ONLY WAY TO GET OUT OF THIS
THING IS TO BUILD HOUSE THAT ARE AFFORDABLE.
SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
WELL, WHAT DID WE ASK LAST WEEK TO FIND OUT HOW MANY LOTS WE
HAVE AND WHAT IT TAKES TO BUILD AND WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING YOU
CAN BUILD ON THOSE LOTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOWER THE COST.
YOU CAN'T SAY GO BUILD THEM.
AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEM.
WHAT DO WE GAIN THERE.
EVICTION AGAIN?
THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK AT ANOTHER THING.
YOU BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS AFFORDABLE NO MATTER WHAT YOU
CALL IT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH RAISING ELECTRICAL
STUFF.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH OTHER THINGS
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE NOT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T
NOW AFFORD THE RENT.
NOT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY, WHAT ARE YOU
DOING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
I HEAR TODAY THE ENVIRONMENTALIST SPEAK.
I AM NOT A ENVIRONMENTALIST AND I DID NOR FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT THAN PEOPLE STAND THERE AND SPEAK OF IT.
BECAUSE I HAVE DONE EVERY -- I SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO THE
PEOPLE TALK TO ME.
DON'T ASK WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO FOR YOU.
BUT ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
TO SATISFY THINGS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, NOBODY SAYS THAT.
YOU THREATEN ME WITH LOSS OF ELECTION.
YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T WIN EVERY BALL GAME.
YOU CAN'T WIN EVERY FOOTBALL GAME.
YOU CAN'T WIN EVERY BASKETBALL GAME.
BUT YOU CAN'T LOSE THEM ALL EITHER.
SO A THREAT TO ME MEANS -- I COME FROM THE SAME
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GUDES DOES.
PEOPLE WHO TALK DON'T BOTHER ME.
THE SILENT ONES ARE THE ONE HAS IN WILL WHIP ON YOU.
THAT IS WHAT I LEARNED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE TALKERS JUST LOVE TO TALK.
THE DOERS DON'T SAY MUCH.
BUT THEY DO HURT YOU.
AND WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY, LIVE UP TO THE RESPONSIBILITIES
THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT YOURSELF FIRST IN THE MIRROR AND
THEN FOLLOW WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE.
THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING.
BUT GOING BACK AGAIN.
YOU GOT TO HAVE SOLAR IN YOUR HOUSES.
SHOW ME HOW MANY ENVIRONMENTALISTS GOT SOLAR.
YOU GOT TO DRIVE DIFFERENT AUTOMOBILES.
HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE THAT.
YOU NEED TO HAVE NO GRASS OR LITTLE GRASS.
SO HE MANY HAVE THAT.
NOT TOO MANY.
SO I AM LISTENING TO ALL THIS, BUT INSIDE I TELL MYSELF,
WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD.
THEY ARE ASKING ME TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEMSELVES,
DON'T DO.
AND I LOVE THAT.
BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAT WE ARE HERE.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER.
I DON'T LIKE TO LOSE.
IF I KNOW I AM GOING TO LOSE.
SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS -- NOT TRYING TO SAY AND I
ALREADY SAID IT TWICE.
IF IT TAKES A LOSS TO SHAKE UP ANOTHER GOVERNMENT TO DO
SOMETHING, THEN THE LOSS IS WORTH IT.
AND THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
THANK YOU.
11:51:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:51:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I -- I AM TRYING TO SORT OF MAKE A
CALENDAR HERE.
BUT I AM HAPPY TO ALSO -- I THINK IF WE NEED TO HAVE A
SEPARATE SESSION TO APPROVE A FIRST DRAFT SO WE CAN GET THE
SECOND DRAFT DONE.
I AM HAPPY TO CLEAR MY CALENDAR AND I AM SURE THAT SEVERAL
OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WILL DO THAT.
WE WILL HAVE -- WE HAVE ALL OF SNEEZE LAWYERS THAT ARE SIT
IN RETAINER.
LET'S USE THEM.
WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT.
11:51:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:51:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I SAID AND EXPLAINED WHY I WILL VOTE
AGAINST IT BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL HURT MORE PEOPLE THAN
HELP.
A LOT OF OTHER INITIATIVES THAT I KNOW THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE
LAND CONTINUE TO DO THOSE.
I DON'T MIND BEING 6-1 ON IT, BECAUSE PHILOSOPHICALLY I
THINK IT IS WRONG.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, THE EFFECT OF THE RENT
INCREASE THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
IF WE WAIT UNTIL MARCH, THE SOLUTION WILL NOT GO INTO EFFECT
UNTIL AFTER THAT.
AND -- SOME ECONOMISTS ARE PREDICTING A RECESSION BY THEN
ANYWAY.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE NOW.
EVEN THIS WILL GO ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
THE OTHER THING IN NOVEMBER A BETTER REPRESENTATION OF THE
VOTING PUBLIC.
IN MARCH VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT COME OUT TO VOTE AND TO BE
FAIR TO IT, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A LARGER REPRESENTATION OF
PUBLIC SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND COUNCILMAN GUDES.
AS SOON AS IT PASSES.
I SAID I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT AND SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL PASS,
I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT A FOLLOW-UP MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND
SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AS COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK SAYS WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE AN
ADDITIONAL ONE, I AM OKAY WITH THAT.
IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO GET IT ON THE NOVEMBER
BALLOT.
THE CITY ATTORNEY SAY A LIST OF 30 LAW FIRM WE CAN DRAW
FROM.
ONE ON THE LIST HAS TWO FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS.
IF WE STARTED TODAY, WE COULD START TO GET THEM ROLLING ON
TRYING TO GET THIS IN.
AGAIN I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IN THIS, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO
DO IT, IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT AND MAKE
DECISIONS TODAY TO PUT IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
11:53:32AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
11:53:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA LIVED IN PUBLIC HOUSING.
I LIVED IN PUBLIC HOUSING.
WE KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE POOR.
THIS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS BIGGER THAN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
WE NEED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE NEED HELP OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE HERE ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING WHEN
TALLAHASSEE THEMSELVES PREEMPT US FROM BEING ABLE TO DO
THESE SORT OF THINGS.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE ARE PREEMPTED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT.
LET'S SHAKE UP SOME TREE.
LET'S DO SOME EARTHSHAKING.
UNLESS WE GET THE HELP OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE STATE
OF FLORIDA --
11:54:22AM >> WE ARE WORKING ON IT.
11:54:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, RIGHT NOW, I GUARANTEE
PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE, 20 TO EACH OF US ARE WATCHING THIS
RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY GOT PEN TO PAPER.
WE ARE GOING TO STOP THIS.
WITHER GO TO PREEMPT THIS.
WE HAVE A GREAT LAWYER TEAM.
AS HAS BEEN PROVEN.
WE HAVE FIVE LAWYERS HERE THAT ARE TOP 100 IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA IN MUNICIPAL LAWYERS.
THEY CAN FIGHT THE FIGHT.
WE CAN SHAKE THE TREE.
WE HAVE GOT ROME YARD.
WE HAVE GOT PROPERTIES WITH THE OLD ARMY NAVY USED TO BE.
AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS COMING.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I AM SORRY IT IS NOT COMING FAST
ENOUGH.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS DOING ITS PART, BUT THE FOR NOW, RIGHT
NOW, RIGHT HERE AND NOW, WE HAVE BEEN PREEMPTED BY THE STATE
OF FLORIDA.
I WILL SUPPORT THIS.
BUT I FEAR OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT LET'S SHAKE THOSE TREES.
TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT.
LET'S KNOCK SOME OF THOSE ACORNS OFF.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:55:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:55:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
11:55:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:55:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:55:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:55:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:55:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:55:54AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON VOTING NO.
11:56:02AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
RELATIVE TO THE TIMING REAL QUICK, MITES I
SUGGEST YOU ALLOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO COME FORWARD ON
AUGUST 4 AND REPORT TO YOU WHERE WE ARE.
HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE AT THAT POINT IN
TIME WHERE MAYBE YOU CAN FAKE FIRST READING.
IF NOT, WE CAN CONSIDER IF WE NEED TO SCHEDULE SPECIAL DATES
IN ORDER TO MEET THE DEADLINE.
11:56:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:56:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:56:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE SHOULD -- WE NEED TO TAKE THE
ADVICE OF COUNSEL, BUT I ASK THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES SCHEDULE
THIS FOR FIRST AND SECOND READING.
WE NEED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND I SUGGEST A SECONDS
MOTION TO REQUEST THAT IF -- IF LEGAL IS NOT ABLE TO HANDLE
IT, THAT THEY ASSIGN US, TODAY OR TOMORROW, ONE OF THEIR
OUTSOURCE LEGAL FIRMS TO -- TO WORK WITH US TO GET THIS
DONE.
11:56:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL MAKE THE MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN
REFERENCE TO THE AUGUST 4 DATE AND IF THERE IS A
COMPLICATION THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT GET OUTSIDE COUNSEL
TO HELP OUT WITH THIS SITUATION.
11:57:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAY I AMEN THAT FIRST AND SECOND READING.
FIRST READING AUGUST 4.
SECOND READING -- WHAT IS IT -- THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
11:57:13AM >> 18th MUCH.
11:57:15AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THINGS PREPARED IN
THAT FASHION.
WE WILL TRY TO GET A DRAFT ON THE 4th FOR FIRST READING.
IF THERE IS SOME DELAY, WE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT AND
FIGURE OUT WHAT DATES WE NEED TO SCHEDULE.
BUT I THINK IF -- IF QUESTIONER ABLE TO PREPARE FOR GET
OUTSIDE HELP TO PREPARE.
WE ARE LUKING AT THE 4th AND 18th POTENTIALLY.
11:57:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE PUTTING THE DATES IN.
IN OCCASION WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE DATES.
IF WE DON'T DO IT, WE WILL NEVER GET THERE.
TIME MARCHES ON.
YOU CAN RUN FAST AND TIME ALWAYS CATCHES YOU.
11:57:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
VOTING ON THE AMENDED MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:57:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:57:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:57:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:58:00AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:58:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:58:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:58:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
CLERK MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:58:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE SOME BUSINESS BEFORE US.
A LOT OF BUSINESS TODAY.
WE ARE AT 12:00.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A 12:30 HARD STOP TO BREAK.
SO LET'S BRING THE FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT UP AND I
BELIEVE THAT IS MS. AUSTIN.

I'M SORRY, CHIEF, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK BEFOREHAND?
11:58:36 >>JOHN BENNETT:
STILL GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF, WITH KELLY AUSTIN, OUR HR
DIRECTOR, AND DENNIS ROGERO, THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
AS STATED THROUGH THE SIRE ITEMS THAT WE ASKED TO PULL,
SPEAKING OF GETTING THE JOB DONE, TODAY WE'RE HERE TO TALK
ABOUT OUR 4800-PLUS EMPLOYEES AS IT RELATES TO WHAT
TYPICALLY COMES UP ON A THREE-YEAR BASIS IS THE UNION
CONTRACTS, WHICH REPRESENT ABOUT 80% OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE INTENSITY OF THE AGENDA TODAY,
WE HAVE A REALLY BRIEF PowerPoint TO TALK THROUGH COUNCIL
AND THE PUBLIC TO EXPLAIN KIND OF THE JOURNEY THAT'S GONE
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, 38 MEETINGS TO BE EXACT, AND
WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT WAS OR WHAT BECAME FOUR
TENTATIVE AGREEMENTS AND FOUR RATIFICATIONS AHEAD OF THE
BUDGET PLANNING.
AND IN MY 38 YEARS OF GOVERNMENT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME
I'VE EVER SEEN IT ON THE FRONT END OF THE BUDGET, WISHED
HELP COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS
GOING FORWARD ON THE CRITICAL NEEDS, SUCH AS HOUSING AND THE
OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.
IF WE CAN BRING UP THE PowerPoint, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO
DISCUSS THAT.
11:59:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF LEGAL AND
ALSO MAKE A STATEMENT.
CONGRATS ON MOVING THIS FORWARD QUICKLY, BUT MY QUESTION FOR
LEGAL IS, WERE THESE PROGRAMS PROPERLY NOTICED?
AND THE SECOND -- AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE SUBSTANCE OF THEM
-- BUT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE
NOT POSTED UNTIL THE LAST FEW DAYS.
SOME OF THEM WERE POSTED AROUND NOON YESTERDAY.
I JUST THINK FOR THE ADMINISTRATION'S POINT OF VIEW, IT IS
INCREDIBLY DISRESPECTFUL TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO EXPECT
COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO STUDY DOCUMENTS LESS THAN 24 HOURS
BEFORE A MEETING, ESPECIALLY ON LARGE SUBSTANTIVE
DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK, OUR REQUIREMENT IS THAT DOCUMENTS BE
PUT IN I THINK THE FRIDAY BEFORE A MEETING, BUT THESE
DOCUMENTS, THE SUMMARIES, ANYWAY, WERE PUT IN YESTERDAY.
AND I WOULD ASK, DID WE MEET THE CRITERIA FOR NOTICE?
AND SECOND, ASK THE ADMINISTRATION, WHY DID YOU DO THAT?
AND HOW CAN WE STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE TO NOT
DISRESPECT THE PUBLIC?
THANK YOU.
12:00:46 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
LEGALLY, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED AND YOU
CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING THE CONTRACTS IF YOU DESIRE
TODAY.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR MORE TIME FOR
CONSIDERATION, THAT'S WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION.
12:00:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE CHIEF BENNETT WILL GIVE US THE
EXPLANATION FOR THAT.
12:01:02 >>JOHN BENNETT:
I'M HAPPY TO.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WE TRY AND BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
THE 38 NEGOTIATION MEETINGS WERE PUBLICLY NOTICED IN THE
CLERK'S OFFICE STARTING ON APRIL 26, ALL THE WAY TO THEY
SUBSIDED ON JUNE 30th.
AS SOON AS EVERYTHING WENT TO TENTATIVE AGREEMENT AND THEN
GOES TO RATIFICATION, WE RELEASE THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE
REQUESTED AS SOON AS THEY WERE DONE BY THOSE SPECIFIC
UNIONS.
THE ONE UNION THAT WAS LEFT TO FINISH THEIR VOTING CONCLUDED
AFTER HOURS, I THINK ALMOST 8:00 OR 9:00 AT NIGHT ON
TUESDAY.
AND THEN WE MADE REALLY AN ADDENDUM TO THE SIRE ITEMS THAT
WENT INTO THE WEEK EARLIER.
SO THREE OF THE FOUR AGREEMENTS WERE IN SIRE AHEAD OF ON
TIME, IF YOU WILL, AND IT WAS JUST THE FOURTH ONE WAITING ON
THE IAFF FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S VOTE THAT HAPPENED ON
TUESDAY NIGHT TO BRING ALL THE ENTIRE PACKAGE TOGETHER FOR
COUNCIL FOR TODAY.
12:01:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
MY LAST QUESTION OR COMMENT IS THAT I WAS
NOT OFFERED AN INDIVIDUAL BRIEFING ON THIS.
THE ONLY WAY I EVEN KNEW THIS WAS COMING IS BECAUSE THE
UNIONS CONTACTED ME.
I JUST WONDER IF MY COLLEAGUES, WERE ANY OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY
BRIEFED ON THIS OTHER THAN A 30-SECOND BRIEFING IN YOUR
WEEKLY UPDATE?
12:02:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AS TIME WENT ON OVER TIME, I WAS.
12:02:21 >> NO.
12:02:22 >> NO.
12:02:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS JUST SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
MONUMENTALLY IMPORTANT.
ADMINISTRATION HAD TIME TO SEND OUT PRESS RELEASES AND TALK
TO THE MEDIA ABOUT THIS BUT NOT HAVE THE RESPECT TO TALK TO
CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IT.
I READ THE DOCUMENTS.
THEY ARE VERY DETAILED TO HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR
UN-UNIFORMED OFFICERS AND HOW MUCH EXTRA WE PAY FOR
OVERTIME.
WHAT WE'LL PAY FOR HOLIDAYS.
BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THAT.
I READ IT ALL.
I ASSUME MY COLLEAGUES READ IT ALL, ALL THE HUNDREDS OF
PAGES.
BUT I WOULD ASK ON IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE THIS WHERE WE
SHOULD BE CELEBRATING, WHY AM I GETTING SO MANY CALLS FROM
THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY YESTERDAY, YESTERDAY INCLUDED
SUMMARIES OF THE OTHER DOCUMENTS, IT BECOMES A LAST-MINUTE,
LOOKS LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING.
WHY CAN'T WE GET IT OUT EARLIER AND NOTIFY THE PUBLIC AND
BRIEF CITY COUNCIL?
THE MAYOR HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE ABOUT CALLING FOR
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE
OF IT.
THANK YOU.
12:03:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD, CHIEF.
12:03:21 >>JOHN BENNETT:
NO, JUST BRIEFLY.
12:03:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'LL ADD MY TWO CENTS LATER.
12:03:25 >>JOHN BENNETT:
OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING,
WE WERE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE BUDGET CYCLE.
WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE VOTES TO SETTLE BECAUSE IF FOR SOME
REASON THE CONTRACTS DON'T GET RATIFIED.
WE WERE SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE END OF THOSE VOTES AND THE
BUDGET, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO GO FORWARD NEXT THURSDAY.
WE WERE DOING OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD ALL THE
INFORMATION.
WE KNEW THE BRIEFINGS FOR COUNCIL WERE ALREADY SET UP FOR
THE WEEK.
I SPECIFICALLY GOT ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE CALLS EXCEPT FOR
ONE AND I ASKED THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TO STAND IN FOR
ME BECAUSE WE HAD THE AGENDA REVIEW AND WAS WILLING TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JOURNEY.
BUT WE WERE UNDER A COMPRESSED TIMELINE BASED ON THE
RATIFICATION OF THE VOTE.
IT'S NOT HIDING ANYTHING.
IT WAS JUST THE PROCESS IT TOOK US TO GET HERE.
12:04:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAY I ASK, ALL THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS VOTED
AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
12:04:12 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THAT'S CORRECT.
12:04:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE LAST ONE TO VOTE WAS WHEN?
12:04:16 >>JOHN BENNETT:
TUESDAY NIGHT AFTER HOURS WAS I THINK THE
LAST VOTE WE GOT CALLED FROM THE UNION, THE FIRE UNION.
12:04:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:04:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BEFORE THE CHIEF GETS INTO HIS SPIEL, I HAD
SEVERAL CALLS AND NOT FROM ME WITH THIS TERM, OUR
PROFESSIONAL EMPLOYEES.
AND THEY ARE ALL SAYING THAT THE UNIONS ARE GETTING THIS
MONEY BUT WHERE DO THEY FIT IN?
I'M CURIOUS WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON CITY HOUSING, THIS AND
THAT.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CLOSE FRIENDS THAT
WORK WITH US, CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY MAY BE HOMELESS AS WELL.
THOSE ARE CONCERNS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS AND HOW DO THEY SALARY FIT INTO
THIS AND WHERE IT DOES NOT?
12:05:00 >>JOHN BENNETT:
IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
ACTUALLY, THIS WILL COME OUT IN THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU'D
LIKE.
OTHERWISE, I CAN ADDRESS IT RIGHT NOW.
ARE YOU READY TO GO TO THE PRESENTATION?
12:05:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO FOR IT?
12:05:10 >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU BRING IT UP?
DENNIS, WOULD YOU HAND ME THE CLICKER?
SO THIS IS FOR COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF
THE JOURNEY.
THIS IS THE SECOND AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED UNDER
ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIONS WORKING TOGETHER.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTING OUR
EMPLOYEES TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'VE ACTUALLY SET A DAY ASIDE
TO RECOGNIZE THEIR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
LET ME SEE IF THIS ACTUALLY MOVES.
CAN YOU CHANGE SCREENS FOR ME OR MOVE THE SLIDE?
SO AS DISCUSSED, THE FOUR CBAs, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
AGREEMENTS, WHICH CONSISTS OF THREE UNIONS, AMALGAMATED
TRANSIT UNION, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
FIREFIGHTERS, AND THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION.
HERE WE HAVE THE UNION PRESIDENTS TO HELP SPEAK TODAY AS
WELL AS OTHER STAFF.
OUR GOAL THAT WE SET WAS TRYING TO GET, AGAIN, FOR THE FIRST
TIME I'VE SEEN IN AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE ROUNDS OF THIS IN MY
CAREER TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING FINALIZED BY THE END OF JUNE
SO WE HAVE LEAD TIME GOING INTO THE BUDGET PREPARATIONS
KNOWING THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING BUDGETS
THAT THE CITY HAS EVER ENTERTAINED FOR THE PUBLIC WITH
EVERYTHING GOING ON.
THE CORE TEAMS, THE LEADERSHIP UNIONS WERE THERE, THE HUMAN
RESOURCES, REVENUE, FINANCE, A LOT OF CREDIT GOES TO OUR
BUDGET TEAM AND, OF COURSE, OUR HR EMPLOYEE RELATIONS TEAM.
THE MAYOR HAD ASKED THAT ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATORS SIT
THROUGH THESE AND BE PART OF THE JOURNEY TO MAKE SURE WE
UNDERSTOOD THE STRAINS ON THE EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS THE
INFLATIONARY ISSUES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC TO HELP UNDERSTAND THAT WE PUT THE
EMPLOYEES ON THE TOP OF OUR DISCUSSION, BUT AT THE SAME
TIME, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE LEFT THE -- LET THE
EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THESE INFLATIONARY ITEMS
INCREASING IN OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE HAD TO BALANCE
THAT IN ADDITION TO MAKING SURE WE HAD A STRONG FUND
BALANCE.
CHIEF HARRIS IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
ON THE RIGHT OF THE SIDE, WHEN WE TALKED TO COUNCIL ABOUT
THEIR BUDGET NEEDS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE HEARD
PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH PREVENTION.
HOUSING, OF COURSE, THE CRISIS THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY.
ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO SIDEBAR FOR A SECOND AND SAY THIS IS
GREAT THAT STAFF AND THE EMPLOYEES GET TO SIT IN HERE AND
LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE ALL HANG ON EVERY WEEK
BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN CONTEXT OF WHAT
WE'RE DOING TODAY.
WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT MOBILITY, SIDEWALKS AND ROADS AND WE
KNOW THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION IS WORKING.
BUT THE OTHER THING I HEARD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AT LEAST IS
THAT SOME OF OUR CORE SERVICES AND LEVEL OF SERVICE WITHIN
THE FTEs NEEDS TO INCREASE BASED ON THE INCREASED DEMAND
ON THE CITY IN CERTAIN AREAS.
AND STAFF IS BRINGING ALL OF THOSE REQUESTS TO THE BUDGET
OFFICE, AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
JUST A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
COUNCILMAN GUDES THIS KIND OF GOES TOWARDS YOUR QUESTION.
THE CITY HAS OVER 4800 EMPLOYEES.
44% OF THOSE ARE IN THE ATU.
16% ARE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HOLDS 20%, WHICH GOES UP TO THE
RANK OF LIEUTENANT.
SO BASICALLY 80% OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE INSIDE
THOSE THREE UNIONS.
IN ADDITION, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER LAST NEGOTIATION, THERE WAS
A BREAK-OFF OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES TO GO INTO THE
HEALTH CARE TRUST.
SO 36% OF THEM HAVE THEIR HONE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
64% WE GUARD AGAINST INCREASES IN HEALTH CARE BASED ON THOSE
DEMOGRAPHICS.
AND WE MADE SURE THAT WE GUARDED THAT THROUGHOUT THE LAST
THREE YEARS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE ONE THING THAT IS NOT LOST ON US IS THAT OVER 5,000 OF
OUR EMPLOYEES ASSEMBLED IN THOSE FOUR AREAS HAVE GONE
THROUGH SOME SORT OF COVID CRISIS DURING THE LAST TWO YEARS
THAT WE'VE MEASURED.
AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY FOUND A
WAY TO GET THE JOB DONE, LEANED ON EACH OTHER WHEN OTHER
ONES WERE OUT OF THE OFFICE AND GET THE WORK ACCOMPLISHED.
AGAIN, WHERE THE UNION CEILING STOPS AT 80%, THOSE EMPLOYEES
ABOVE THAT ARE PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WILL COME TO
YOU FOR THOSE INCREASES.
BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO GUARD AGAINST WHAT'S CALLED
COMPRESSION BETWEEN THE UNION POSITIONS AND MANAGEMENT AND
OTHER LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.
SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE SCALED BASED ON THOSE POSITIONS
COMING FORWARD, AND THAT WILL BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE
BUDGET PROCESS NEXT WEEK.
NEXT SLIDE.
HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THE THREE MEMBERSHIPS, THE ATU, THE
IAFF AND THE PBA.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW WHERE THE ATU POSITIONS LAND.
EARLIER, YOU HEARD COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TALK ABOUT THAT WE
HAVE AN ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH PAYS FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES IN
THE UTILITIES AND WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND THAT TENDS TO BE
MORE RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, CODE ENFORCEMENT, PARKS, AND
REC.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PERCENTAGES OF EMPLOYEES VARY
IN BETWEEN THOSE UNIONS.
OF COURSE, FIRE AND POLICE ARE DEDICATED THERE.
BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT THE BOTTOM OF THE ATU, ABOUT 1500 OF
THOSE 2,000 EMPLOYEES HAVE TO COME TO WORK, MEANING, THERE'S
NO TELEWORKING.
THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND WORK THE WATER LINES, THE SEWER
LINES.
THEY HAVE TO PICK UP SOLID WASTE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DURING THAT -- THAT'S WHY I PUT
THE COVID SLIDE IN THERE TO SHOW THE IMPACT THAT HAPPENED ON
THESE EMPLOYEES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THEY EITHER HAVE TO BE IN THE FIELD OR THEY HAVE TO BE IN A
FACILITY.
AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL ARE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
SO THERE'S SOME STATISTICS UP THERE.
I WON'T GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT IS HANDLING A CALL ABOUT EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HANDLING A CALL ABOUT EVERY
MINUTE SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY.
SO WE HAVE A REALLY BUSY CITY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DEDICATED
EMPLOYEES THAT GET THE JOB DONE EVERY DAY.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO YOU'LL HEAR LATER, IF NEED BE, THE LAST 22 YEARS, THE
CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING ON PAR WITH INFLATION
FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
AND I HAVE HEARD THE SAME STORIES ABOUT SOME OF OUR
EMPLOYEES HAVING TO SLEEP IN THEIR CAR.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, JEAN DUNCAN AND I MET WITH SOME OF OUR
NONPROFIT PROVIDERS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO INSIDE THE CITY
TO HELP SUPPORT.
AS YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR HAS LED THE CHARGE ON INCREASING
MINIMUM WAGE THREE YEARS AGO TO $15 AN HOUR, NOT WAITING FOR
THE STATE TO GET IT, WHICH IS NOW STILL A COUPLE OF YEARS
AWAY.
THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE NOW MAKING UPWARD OF $20 AN HOUR, WHICH
IS GREAT.
WE SAW A DEPARTURE ON INFLATION ACTUALLY 18 MONTHS AGO.
SO THE LAST CONTRACT PROVIDED A 3, 3, AND 3 PERCENT TO
PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THE MAYOR WANTED TO GIVE 3.5 PERCENT IN THE LAST ONE,
THE LAST YEAR TO THE ATU BECAUSE IT WAS AN OFFSET FOR A
NEGOTIATION PRIOR TO THAT.
SO THE ATU ACTUALLY GOT A 3.5 PERCENT INCREASE.
BUT EITHER ONE OF THOSE GROUPS, THERE WAS ALREADY AN
INFLATION DEPARTURE 18 MONTHS AGO BASED ON THEIR COST OF
LIVING ANALYSIS.
SO THIS YEAR, IT WAS DESIGNED TO CLOSE THE GAP IN YEAR ONE,
AND THEN COME UP WITH A WAY IN YEAR TWO AND THREE TO TRY AND
WORK AGAINST WHAT THE INFLATION PROJECTIONS LOOK LIKE TO THE
BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.
LAST SLIDE.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS A COMPARISON ON THE LEFT TO THE COMPARISON
ON THE RIGHT.
IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE.
SO WHEN THE UNIONS COME IN, WE LISTEN, AND THAT'S PART OF
THOSE 38 MEETINGS THAT WE DID IN THE SUNSHINE IS TO LISTEN
TO THOSE 38, 39 HUNDRED EMPLOYEES THROUGH THEIR LEADERSHIP
MODEL TO ASK ABOUT THE BENEFITS, PAY, AND EQUIPMENT THAT
THEY NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE.
SO THOSE MEETINGS HAPPENED.
HR SET ALL THOSE UP.
TYPICALLY 90-MINUTE MEETINGS STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER TO
TRY AND GET TO THE JUNE 30th PLANNING CYCLE TO BRING IT
FORWARD TO COUNCIL AHEAD OF THE BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE WE
KNEW IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGING YEAR.
SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WAS THE REQUEST OVER
THE THREE-YEAR PERIOD.
WE HAD WORKED WITH THE UNION.
WE EXPLAINED THE CHALLENGES OF HOUSING, MOBILITY, FTE
INCREASES AND THE UNIONS WORKED WITH US.
THEY WORKED WITH THE MAYOR.
THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAD TO STRIKE A BALANCE ON THIS.
SO THERE WAS REALLY A DRAMATIC CORRECTION OR AN ADJUSTMENT
BETWEEN THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, AS YOU WATER IT DOWN AND YOU LOOK AT IT,
WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT IN THE OTHER COST, NOT THE WAGES,
ABOUT $3 A DAY OVER THE PERIOD FOR THE ATU, LITTLE UNDER $9
A DAY FOR FIRE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT INSIDE THAT, THERE
IS A SECOND SET OF BUNKER GEAR TO HELP PROTECT THEM FROM
CERTAIN THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE FIRE SERVICE.
AND THEN LASTLY, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS UNDER $6 A DAY ACROSS
THE BOARD ON OTHER COSTED ITEMS OTHER THAN WAGES.
SO ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO ADOPT THESE
FOUR AGREEMENTS.
I WILL SAY WE'RE ALWAYS IN A CONTINUING LEARNING ABOUT
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC AWARENESS.
WE FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS THAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST FOUR
OR FIVE CONTRACTS.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE DYNAMICS OF THIS ONE ARE UNIQUE
BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION AND, OF COURSE, THE CRISES WE'RE
FACING.
BUT REALLY, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL WAS TO GET THIS SETTLED.
GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE THE BUDGET SO YOU CAN MAKE AN
INFORMED DECISION GOING INTO FISCAL YEARS '23, '24, AND '25.
I'LL REST THERE.
I DO THINK THE THREE UNION PRESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SAY
SOMETHING.
12:14:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN I HAVE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, COULD WE
ASK QUESTIONS FIRST, PLEASE?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:14:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, CHIEF BENNETT.
WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.
IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CALL DARLA.
IF I HAVE ANY CONCERNS, STEVEN SIMON IS THE FIRST TO CALL ME
USUALLY.
IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ANDREW
CARTER, MY FRIEND OF 22 YEARS, IS ALWAYS RESPONSIVE.
WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INFLATION.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GROCERIES BEING MORE EXPENSIVE.
THE RISING COST OF GAS.
WE WANT TO HELP EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHETHER THEY
WORK FOR THE CITY OR THEY DON'T WORK FOR, EVERYBODY.
WE'RE A BIG FAMILY.
THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT.
WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES AT THE ATU, WITH THE
FIREFIGHTERS, WITH THE POLICE UNION THAT WORK VERY, VERY
HARD, THAT ARE FACING, LIKE EVERYBODY IS, THE RISING COST OF
LIVING, AS I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED.
IT'S AFFECTING EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD.
OUR JOB, AS WE APPROVE AND LOOK AT AND ANALYZE AND PUT
TOGETHER THE CITY BUDGET, IS TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
WE WANT TO HIRE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST, WHICH I THINK WE
DO HAVE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE PAID A GOOD WAGE TO HELP COMBAT
THE RISING COST OF EVERYTHING.
THOSE PEOPLE GIVE BLOOD, SWEAT, TEARS, SACRIFICE TO THE
CITY.
ATU SAYS WE KEEP THE CITY RUNNING.
2,123 ELIGIBLE MEMBERS, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THAT'S AN ARMY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE SERVING THE
COMMUNITY.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY DESERVE
THIS.
EVERYBODY.
WE WANT TO -- AS WE SAY, RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS.
WE ARE TRYING TO OFFER FOLKS A BETTER LIFE FOR THE WORK AND
SACRIFICE THAT THEY MAKE HERE.
IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CALL.
I SPOKE PERSONALLY TO MR. SIMON.
I SPEAK TO MR. CARTER ALL THE TIME.
MR. PORTMAN, ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE, THEY ARE THERE.
I DON'T THINK THIS WAS MISHANDLED.
I THINK IT WAS PROPERLY DONE.
I THINK THESE INDIVIDUALS DO DESERVE THIS INCREASE BECAUSE,
AGAIN, THE COST OF LIVING IS AFFECTING EVERYBODY.
AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FAMILY THAT
WORK VERY, VERY HARD.
SO I'M READY TO SUPPORT THIS AFTER QUESTIONS AND WHATNOT.
BUT LET'S MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
THANK YOU.
12:17:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:17:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.
THREE MONTHS AGO, AT MY OWN COMPANY, I GAVE AN ACROSS THE
BOARD INFLATION ADJUSTMENT ALSO ON TOP OF THE MERIT

INCREASES.
EVERYBODY IS ELIGIBLE FOR MERIT INCREASES.
WE TOOK THE RATE OF INFLATION AND GAVE EVERYBODY AN ACROSS
THE BOARD INCREASE.
IT COST MONEY TO DO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO IF YOU WANT TO
KEEP THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST PEOPLE.
THAT'S THE GOAL HERE.
WE WANT OUR BEST PEOPLE TO STAY.
I KNOW FROM TALKING TO EMPLOYMENT ATTORNEYS AND OTHERS IN
THE REGION THAT OTHER CITIES AROUND ARE RAISING THEIR RATES,
TOO.
WE JUST HIRED TWO REALLY GOOD PEOPLE FROM LAKELAND, AND THEY
ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE BACKFILLING WITH SOMEBODY RAISING
RATES TO MAKE SURE THEY GET SOMEBODY GREAT IN REPLACEMENT.
MY QUESTION, SO, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK FROM A
COMPETITIVENESS POINT OF VIEW, SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME BEFORE
US AND THEY CRITICIZE CERTAIN MEMBERS OF STAFF.
BUT IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE REALLY GOOD ONES WE HAVE TO MAKE
SURE WE STAY COMPETITIVE ON PRICING AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE
THE PROCESSES TO WEED OUT THE VERY FEW BAD ONES.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE COMPETITIVE PRICING.
SECOND THING, IT IS JUST A FAIR THING TO DO.
WE KNOW NOW INFLATION IS 9.1%.
YOU SAY 9.5 CATCHING UP WITH THE DIFFERENCE FROM LAST YEAR,
THAT'S COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE.

JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, IF YOU DON'T RAISE THE
RATES BY 9%, THAT MEANS THAT COST IS PASSED ON TO THE
EMPLOYEE.
THE EMPLOYEE IS SPENDING 9% MORE THAN THEY WERE A YEAR AGO
JUST BECAUSE PRICES HAVE GONE UP.
AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE AD VALOREM TAXES, OUR TAX
ROLLS ARE GOING UP AND WE NEED TO BE FAIR TO OUR PEOPLE.
I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES OVER THE YEARS WHERE OUR PEOPLE
HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET INCREASES.
I KNOW THE THREE UNION REPRESENTATIVES WOULD MAKE SOME
STATEMENTS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM, CHIEF BENNETT JUST PRESENTED
THAT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THAT THE CITY HAS KEPT UP WITH
INFLATION OVER THE YEARS.
BUT I TEND TO REMEMBER LIKE BACK DURING THE GREAT RECESSION
THAT THERE WERE SOME CUTS.
I WONDER THESE ARE NEGOTIATED AGREEMENTS, SO I'M NOT TRYING
TO UNDO ANYTHING.
IN LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, DOES THIS KEEP US COMPETITIVE OR
DO WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO AS WE GO BACK
THE NEXT TIME IN CATCHING UP FROM CUTS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE
IN THE PAST AND THEN ALSO CONSIDERING WHAT OUR COMPETITIVE
CITIES ARE DOING?
MAYBE THE CHIEF CAN ANSWER, BUT I WONDER -- I WANT THE
UNIONS TO SAY, YEAH, WE'LL KEEP OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST OR NO

STILL HAVE TO WORK ON IT.
12:19:45 >>JOHN BENNETT:
YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST.
EVERY WEDNESDAY I MEET WITH HR AND WE TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEE
SCENARIOS.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS HYBRID TELEWORKING TO BE
EFFICIENT AND KEEP UP WITH THE COMPETITION OUT THERE FOR
TELEWORKING IN THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE CAN.
WHICH IS WHY I WAS TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE 1500 THAT REALLY
HAVE TO BE IN THE FIELD OR IN A FACILITY.
BUT WE DID LOOK AT IT FROM WHERE WE ARE IN THE MARKET TODAY,
WHERE THE INFLATION IS GOING AND WHERE HISTORICALLY WE LOST
A LITTLE GROUND OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS.
AND THAT IS TO KEEP THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST HERE.
SO I THINK -- AND I WON'T SPEAK FOR THEM, THEY CAN ANSWER --
BUT ONE OF THE FIRST EXERCISES WE DID WAS TO LOOK BACKWARDS
OVER 20, 22 YEARS AND SEE HOW CLOSE WE WERE ON THE COST OF
LIVING COMPARED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW AND THEN LOOK AT THE
DELTA BETWEEN, OR THE GAP BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE IT
WAS GOING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IN THE LAST 20-SOMETHING
YEARS, CREDITED TO CHIEF ROGERO'S OFFICE, THERE'S ONLY BEEN
ONE SMALL DEFLATIONARY PERIODS.
THE DOLLAR NEVER REALLY RETREATS.
ONLY ON OCCASION THE DOLLAR WILL GO DOWN.

NOW, SOME OF THE COMMODITIES WILL LOWER BUT OVERALL
INFLATION MOVES IN ONE DIRECTION AND THEN IT HOLDS.
WE'RE TRYING TO GUARD AGAINST THAT.
THE UNION ALSO, I THINK THIS IS WORTH NOTING, WAS REALLY
INTERESTED IN GETTING A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT SO WE DIDN'T
COME BACK IN TWO AND THREE.
THAT'S WHY WE LOWERED IT BEYOND 50 PERCENT IN THE OUT YEARS
BUT LEFT ROOM TO COME BACK WITH COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE AND THE
PUBLIC'S GUIDANCE TO WORK THROUGH THAT IF INFLATION DOESN'T
TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
12:21:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE QUICK QUESTION FOR THE UNION
REPRESENTATIVES, DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS DOES HELP
US CATCH UP AND THAT IT WILL MAKE US COMPETITIVE OVER THE
NEXT THREE YEARS?
12:21:33 >> YES.
STEVE SIMON.
PRESIDENT OF ATU LOCAL 1464.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXTREMELY HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO
THIS AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DOES ALSO GIVE US A
SENSE OF SECURITY IN MOVING FORWARD.
SO, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THE APPRECIATION, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL
THAT WE'VE DONE IN KEEPING THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING ALL
THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY ARE
APPRECIATIVE.
WE SEE THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEN AND THE APPRECIATION HAS BEEN

SHOWN FOR US.
SO WITH THAT SENSE OF SECURITY IT JUST MAKES US WANT TO STAY
AND CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE DO.
12:22:11 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR?
12:22:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M ASKING THE OTHER TWO.
12:22:15 >> DARLA PORTMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA PBA.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WAS ONE OF
THOSE OFFICERS THAT WERE AFFECTED IN 2009, MISSING MY STEP,
NOT GETTING A RAISE.
THE CITY HAS DONE SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER IN THE LAST FEW YEARS
IN THE LAST FEW CONTRACTS OF TRYING TO MAKE US WHOLE AGAIN.
I THINK THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I THINK EVERY OTHER CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE AFTER THIS WILL
MAKE US BE ABLE TO RETAIN THE OFFICERS THAT ARE GOOD AND
EXPERIENCED AND ALSO GET THE ONES THAT WE REALLY WANT THE
BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, I THINK WE'RE GOING IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION.
12:22:45 >> ANDREW CARTER, PRESIDENT TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754.
I JUST PREPARED A VERY SMALL STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO READ TO
YOU.
FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WORKED
VERY HARD AND HELPED US REACH THIS AGREEMENT.
NEGOTIATION TEAM, FIRE ADMIN, HUMAN RESOURCES, THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE, CHIEF OF STAFF, BUDGET AND FINANCE, BENEFITS, AND

MANY MORE.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY CAREER WE'VE HAD THESE NEGOTIATION
SESSIONS COMPLETED AHEAD OF THE EXPIRATION OF OUR CURRENT
AGREEMENT.
THAT OFFERS A LOT OF SECURITY FOR BOTH THE EMPLOYEE AND THE
CITY BECAUSE A PORTION OF THAT BUDGET HAS ALREADY BEEN
COMPLETED AND FINALIZED.
IN PAST ADMINISTRATIONS, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE NOVEMBER TO
JANUARY.
SO AFTER THE BUDGET HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED WE MIGHT BE
COMING BACK FOR BUDGET AMENDMENTS OR REVISIONS.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THIS CONTRACT.
OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT THAT
REALLY SHOWS US EMPLOYEES JUST HOW VALUED WE ARE IN THIS
CITY.
THIS THREE-YEAR CONTRACT WILL HELP SOLIDIFY FINANCIAL
CONCERNS OF THE WORKFORCE DURING THESE UNPRECEDENTED TIMES.
THIS AGREEMENT WILL ALLOW US TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN THE BEST
EMPLOYEES IN THE STATE.
HELP US TO CONTINUE TO RESPOND FOR EVERY CALL FOR SERVICE.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY BEEN FIELDING PHONE CALLS
FROM ORLANDO, HERNANDO, SARASOTA, AND MORE ASKING WHEN WE'RE
HIRING.
AND I'M HAPPY TO TELL THEM THAT APPLICATIONS ARE OPEN UNTIL
THE END OF AUGUST.

THANK YOU AGAIN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
CONSIDERATION.
12:24:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I MAY BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN GUDES,
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU TALKED ABOUT COMPETITIVE, THERE ARE
OTHER FIREFIGHTERS, PINELLAS, POLK, PASCO, THAT WANT TO COME
TO TAMPA.
THERE ARE OTHER POLICE OFFICERS, PINELLAS, POLK, PASCO, THAT
WANT TO COME TO TAMPA TO WORK.
THERE ARE OTHER ATU PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME FROM AROUND THE
AREA THAT WANT TO COME HERE.
WE ARE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE AS FAR AS EMPLOYMENT IN OUR CITY.
WITH THAT SAID, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:24:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NOT TOO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THE UNIONS
BECAUSE I KNOW HOW THEY OPERATE.
MY CONCERN, BECAUSE I RECEIVE CALLS IS ABOUT THIS
PROFESSIONAL SETTING.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT.
ARE THEY GETTING RAISES?
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY THE UNIONS GOT ALL THE
MONEY AND YET WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A BALANCE OF HOW THEY WORK
AND WHAT IS THAT IN THOSE CATEGORIES?
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
12:24:57 >>JOHN BENNETT:
SURE.

I'LL JUST SAY IN A GLOBAL SENSE THAT THE BUDGET BEING
PRESENTED NEXT WEEK AND THAT TIER OF EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE THE
UNION, WHICH REALLY MEASURE UP TO ABOUT A THOUSAND, WILL
HAVE THEIR RAISES BROUGHT IN THROUGH THAT BUDGET PROCESS
BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE UNION.
I'LL LET CHIEF ROGERO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT GETS STRATIFIED
ONG THOSE DIFFERENT POSITIONS.
12:25:19 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THOSE
PROFESSIONALS.
BUT WE LIKE TO THINK THEY ARE WORKING JUST AS HARD IN
KEEPING THIS CITY RUNNING, CONTRIBUTING TO THE VALUE.
BUT AS THE CHIEF SAID, WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTS HER BUDGET
NEXT WEEK, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS ACTION TODAY, AS YOU
HEARD THE FIRE UNION PRESIDENT SAY, WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT.
THAT SECTION WILL BE BEFORE COUNCIL TO RE-REVIEW BUT WE'LL
PRETTY MUCH HAVE THAT WRAPPED UP.
AS PART OF OUR PRESENTATION THURSDAY, WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU
THE VARIOUS PAY RAISES FOR THE NON-BARGAINING UNIT
EMPLOYEES.
12:25:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES I'M
UNDERSTANDING.
12:26:01 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, PROFESSIONALS, SUPERVISORS AND
MANAGERS.
ACTUALLY, THERE ARE FOUR, AND THE UNCLASSIFIEDS.

AND WE'LL SHARE THAT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
12:26:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
12:26:12 >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
12:26:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU WANT ANYTHING?
12:26:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, NO, I JUST LISTENING AND LEARN EVERY
DAY.
AND SOMETIMES I AMUSE MYSELF BY LEARNING TOO MUCH.
WHAT I HEAR IS SOMETHING THAT -- REALLY WHAT THE CONTRACT AT
THE END OF THE DAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IS REALLY RECTIFYING
WHAT HAPPENED IN THE COST OF LIVING DURING THE TERM OF THE
LAST CONTRACT THAT YOU BRING UP TO, IN ESSENCE WHAT THE LAST
CONTRACT WAS WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS IN
THE OLD CONTRACT CHANGED BY NINE POINT SOME PERCENT.
I APPRECIATE.
THANK ALL OF YOU, ALL THREE OF YOU.
THANK ALL THE UNION MEMBERS AND NONUNION MEMBERS FOR
UNDERSTANDING WHAT ALL THIS IS ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT KEEPING THE CITY CLEAN.
AND YET WHEN I SAY THAT, NOT ANYBODY IS RATTLING -- YOU
DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND STILL SEE PEOPLE MOWING THE GRASS,
PUTTING INSIDE THE SEWERS, AND WE HAVE TO STOP THOSE PEOPLE
FROM DOING THAT IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT OR ANY WAY SAYING SOMETHING
DEROGATORY.
I'M TRYING TO SAY THE FACTS.

WE SEE THAT.
THE CITIZENS SEE THAT.
AND EVERYTHING SOMEBODY SEES LIKE A LITTLE BABY.
EVERYBODY DUPLICATES IT.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE LITTLE THINGS IS WHAT MAKES
A CITY BIG.
THEY START SMALL BUT THEY GET LARGE.
AND APPRECIATE MR. CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION,
MR. ROGERO AND ALL OF YOU FOR WORKING TOGETHER FOR A LONG
PERIOD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS PROTECTED, THAT
THE CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED TO THE BEST OF THE ABILITY OF ALL
THE EMPLOYEES.
AND, BY THE WAY, I THINK 4800 EMPLOYEES, LIKE YOU SAID, IS
ABOUT THE SAME STAFFING AMOUNT THAT WE HAD BACK IN 2008, IF
I RECALL.
BACK TO SPEED NOW AND THINGS SHOULD GET BETTER AND QUICKER
SERVICE.
EVERY TIME YOU SAY QUICKER SERVICE, CALLS EVERY FIVE
MINUTES, EVERY MINUTE, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT THE JOBS YOU
DO 24/7/365 AND WE ALL APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU.
12:28:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:28:30 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE
UNION, TO ALL FOUR UNIONS AS A FORMER UNION MEMBER MYSELF
AND A REP FOR THE SCHOOL WHEN I WAS A TEACHER, WE WERE

INCREDIBLY BLESSED BECAUSE THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS IN
ALACHUA COUNTY WHEN I WAS A TEACHER WAS A FORMER UNION
PRESIDENT OF THE TEACHERS UNION.
WE HAD THIS MAGICAL RELATIONSHIP, ESPECIALLY FOR FLORIDA.
IT WAS VERY UNUSUAL.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL HAVE WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION A
SIMILAR RELATIONSHIP.
THEY ARE RESPECTING.
WHAT UNION MEMBERS AND WHAT ALL WORKS BRING TO THE TABLE BUT
I'M PARTICULARLY PROUD, ALWAYS PROUD TO BE A FORMER UNION
MEMBER, BUT I'M PARTICULARLY PROUD OF ALL THREE UNIONS AND
HOW WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR PAY STAYING UP WITH INFLATION,
STAYING UP WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE DO KEEP OUR PEOPLE.
THAT IS ONE OF THE BEST PARTS OF ANY TYPE OF CITY OR
GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT IS THAT OFTENTIMES WE'RE TOLD, YOU
KNOW, YOU DON'T MAKE THE MOST MONEY BUT YOU HAVE GREAT
RETIREMENT.
YOU HAVE GREAT BENEFITS.
BUT IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT OKAY
SALARIES, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPETITIVE SALARIES THAT
KEEP PEOPLE HERE THAT KEEP THE BEST PEOPLE HERE, THAT BRING
IN MORE GOOD PEOPLE.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS CITY NEEDS.
SO I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS FOR SUCH A PHENOMENAL
CONTRACT.

I FEEL LIKE THE CITY GETS ITS MONIES' WORTH.
I'M REALLY HAPPY THIS CONTRACT IS DONE BEFORE THE BUDGET SO
WE HAVE THAT PIECE SETTLED.
THANK YOU TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.
I'M INCREDIBLY HAPPY FOR THE UNIONS ESPECIALLY.
12:30:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:30:23 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME?
12:30:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:30:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
GREAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NO, JUST CONGRATULATIONS TO ATU, PBA, 754 FOR THIS AND
WHATNOT.
I'M PROUD TO SUPPORT THIS.
THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO EVERY SINGLE DAY ON THE JOB IS
SOMETHING WE ALL APPRECIATE AND IT ALL GOES TO MANY
DIFFERENT PARTS OF KEEPING OUR CITY RUNNING, KEEPING US
CLEAN, KEEPING US SAFE, KEEPING US ORDERLY, ET CETERA.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF BENNETT JUST OUT OF INTEREST.
WHAT IS THE STARTING SALARY OF A TAMPA POLICE OFFICER?
IF YOU KNOW.
ANYBODY.
12:31:05 >>JOHN BENNETT:
IT'S RIGHT IN THE RANGE OF $60,000 A YEAR.
WE DID A QUICK MARKET REVIEW OF THE STARTING SALARIES OF ALL

THE POSITIONS THAT WE COULD LOCATE AS A JUMPING-OFF POINT
AGAINST INFLATION.
IT WAS RIGHT -- I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, THOUGH.
12:31:24 >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE THING THAT YOU ALL SAID CORRECTLY IN YOUR
PRESENTATION, IT'S OPEN AND OBVIOUS, WITH INFLATION BEING
WHAT IT IS IN TERMS OF PURCHASING POWER, WE'RE KEEPING UP
WITH INFLATION HERE.
BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF E-MAILS, ESPECIALLY DIRECTED TO
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, ON SAYING THERE WAS AN 18% PAY
INCREASE.
NUMBER ONE, THAT'S OVER THREE YEARS.
NUMBER TWO, KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION.
I COME FROM THE MINDSET OF WHEN IT COMES TO OUR POLICE
OFFICERS, I WANT TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST AND I
WANT TO PAY THEM WELL, NOT JUST TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND
BRIGHTEST BUT AS A THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THEY DO ON THE JOB
EVERY SINGLE DAY, PUTTING THEMSELVES IN DANGER, ET CETERA,
ET CETERA.
AND JUST A SENTIMENT I WANTED TO EXPRESS IN THAT REGARD IN
MY COVID FOGGY HAZE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:32:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
CHIEF BENNETT, ANYTHING ELSE?
12:32:20 >>JOHN BENNETT:
I JUST WANT TO CONCLUDE WITH TWO COMMENTS
AND I THINK THEY SUPPORT COUNCILMAN GUDES' COMMENTS EARLIER.

ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WHEN WE WERE UP FOR ONE OF THE RAISE
OPPORTUNITIES IN OCTOBER AFTER THE BUDGET PASSED, SENIOR
STAFF ELECTED NOT TO TAKE A RAISE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING WITH COVID, AND WE STOOD BACK.
AND THEN WHEN WE GOT THE INFUSION OF THE FEDERAL DOLLARS, WE
WAITED UNTIL ALL OF THAT SETTLED AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT
THAT MONEY TOWARD HOUSING AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE
COMMUNITY-FACING.
AND THAT JUST SHOWS YOU THAT THIS LEADERSHIP TEAM IN THE
CITY IS GOING TO PUT THE FRONT LINES FIRST BEFORE WE EVEN
CONSIDER OURSELVES.
I THINK THAT'S A TESTAMENT.
THE OTHER THING IS, THE UNION STEPPED UP UNDER THE COVID
CRISIS, AND THEY WERE WILLING TO DO THINGS TO MAKE SURE THEY
STAYED SAFE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY WHILE OTHER JURISDICTIONS
WERE PAYING PEOPLE TO DO THAT, OUR UNIONS DIDN'T TAKE A CENT
TO DO THE RIGHT THING UNDER THE COVID CONDITIONS TO KEEP
WORKING FORWARD.
THAT ALSO LEFT THAT MONEY IN THE POT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS
OPPOSED TO TAKING IT AS INDIVIDUALS.
SO MY HAT'S OFF TO THOSE 3800 EMPLOYEES THAT WORKED WITH US,
OPENED THE CONTRACT, AND ALLOWED AN AMENDMENT TO KEEP COVID
OUT OF THE CITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE CITY
RUNNING.
SO THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL.
12:33:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
UNIONS, ARE YOUR MEMBERS HAPPY WITH THIS
AGREEMENT?
12:33:47 >> ABSOLUTELY.
12:33:47 >> YES.
12:33:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SEEING THAT.
EVEN OUR CLERK IS SAYING YES.
[ LAUGHTER ]
BECAUSE THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA WANT AND NEED THE BASICS.
THEY WANT THEIR TRASH PICKED UP.
THEY WANT THEIR WASTE, SOLID AND LIQUID, TAKEN AWAY.
THEY WANT TO FEEL SAFE WITH FIRE AND POLICE.
YOU KEEP THE EMPLOYEES HAPPY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HAPPY
CITY.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU PREFER TO MOVE THESE DURING
CONSENT?
12:34:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.
12:34:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
48, 49, 50.
12:34:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF YOU ALLOW ME TO DO THAT --
12:34:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WELL, LET'S WAIT TO CONSENT WHEN WE COME
BACK.
ALL RIGHT WITH YOU?
12:34:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FINE WITH ME, SIR.
12:34:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FANTASTIC.
THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH.

WE ARE IN --
12:34:36 >> THE IAF IS NOT ON CONSENT.
12:34:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THAT ONE, PLEASE,
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
12:34:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHICH ONE IS THAT ONE?
12:34:49 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WALK-ON ITEM.
12:34:53 >>JOHN BENNETT:
IF I COULD SUGGEST ALL FOUR ARE MOVED WHILE
THE PRESIDENTS ARE HERE.
12:34:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CAN I LEGALLY MOVE ALL FOUR AT ONCE?
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHICH ARE FIGHTERS --
12:35:04 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YOU CAN MOVE THE THREE ITEMS.
THERE IS ONE -- I THINK THE FIREFIGHTERS IS A WALK-ON ITEM.
12:35:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE THE FIREFIGHTERS ITEM WAS WALK
ON.
I MOVE THE THREE ITEMS, WHICH ARE FILE NUMBER E2022-48 --
NO, EXCUSE ME.
THAT'S THE HIMES AND COLUMBUS DRIVE NAMING FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
48, 49, AND 50.
22-76146, 76148, 76145.
12:35:47 >> THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME FILE NUMBER.
12:35:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THESE THINGS.
THE WALK-ON WAS I BELIEVE E2022-48.
12:36:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, THERE WE GO.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:36:16 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:36:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:36:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:36:21 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:36:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:36:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:36:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:36:26 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:36:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 2:00.
RECESSED UNTIL 2:00.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
02:01:03 >>THE CLERK:
HURTAK?
02:01:04 >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
02:01:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
02:01:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
02:01:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
02:01:09 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
02:01:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I BELIEVE OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS STILL A WALK-ON, ANDERSON.
02:01:23 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND

GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
IN PLACE OF MS. HENDERSON THIS AFTERNOON, THIS IS A WALK-ON.
WE HAVE RECEIVED $6.3 MILLION IN HOME ARP, WHICH IS PART OF
THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.
AND THIS MONEY IS COMING IN AND IS GOING TO PROVIDE HOMELESS
ASSISTANCE AND SUPPORT SERVICES.
I BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS AN ERROR IN HOW THIS
DOCUMENT WAS FILED IN SIRE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU THAT NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT,
AUGUST 4th, BUT IT WAS PUT INTO SIRE ON THE AUGUST 4th.
SO THE RESO FOR YOU TODAY IS TO SET THAT HEARING FOR NEXT
THURSDAY NIGHT AT 5:01 P.M.
IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED AND NOTICED.
IT WAS JUST PLACED IN THE WRONG SIRE MEETING.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CORRECT THAT AND
WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT TO TALK ABOUT
THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
02:02:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT WAS FILE NUMBER E-2022-48, CORRECT?
02:02:33 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CORRECT.
02:02:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
02:02:41 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:02:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.

MS. OCEA WYNN.
02:02:55 >>OCEA WYNN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS.
I, TOO, HAVE A WALK-ON ITEM.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE SINCE THE
ACQUISITION OF THE PENNY SAVER.
I WANTED TO PROACTIVELY COME TO KEEP YOU ABREAST ON WHERE WE
ARE IN THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING.
SO AFTER THE ACQUISITION, THE PURCHASE OF THE PENNY SAVER,
WHICH I'M SURE ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON
THE CLOSURE OF CARACAS.
WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THAT WAS A CONCERN
REGARDING THE SAFETY ISSUE WITH CARS SPEEDING DOWN CARACAS.
SO THE SECOND HEARING FOR THAT WILL BE AUGUST 4.
DURING THAT TIME, AS WE WERE ACQUIRING THE PENNY SAVER, WE
WERE ALSO WORKING ON THE RFQ FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE FOR THE
ACTUAL COMPLEX.
WE HAVE SELECTED ONE FIRM.
WE STARTED WITH SIX.
THE SELECTION COMMITTEE ENDED UP WITH THREE WITH ONE FIRM
THAT WAS FINALLY CHOSEN FOR THAT SELECTION PROCESS.
WITH THIS FIRM, WE'RE IN THE NEGOTIATION PHASES OF THE FIRM,
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A PREDESIGN IN ENGINEERING
WORK TO INCLUDE MORE THAN 75% THAT WILL GO TO WMBEs, WITH

THE MAJORITY OF THAT GOING TO BBEs.
THIS IS HUGE FOR US BECAUSE TYPICALLY IN THE ENGINEERING AND
DESIGN, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH PARTICIPATION.
WE SEE IT IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASES, BUT IN THIS PART OF
THE PROJECT, IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ENGINEERING AND
DESIGN WE DO HAVE -- RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 60, 65
PERCENT PARTICIPATION IN THAT AREA.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I SEE YOU HAVE A COMPLEX --
02:05:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN WE ELABORATE OR CAN WE ACKNOWLEDGE WHO
THE FIRM IS?
02:05:10 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, WE CAN.
THE FIRM THAT WE ARE HAVING THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH IS
SKANSKA.
AND SKANSKA, THEY ARE -- THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS ARE HARRY
HOWARD ARCHITECTURAL FIRM AS WELL AS KIM JACKSON PR FIRM WHO
WILL BE DOING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE OF THIS
PROJECT.
02:05:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE PEOPLE
WILL ASK ME THIS QUESTION.
YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY SIX FIRMS THAT APPLIED FOR
THE JOB.
HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN?
02:05:49 >>OCEA WYNN:
NONE OF THE FIRMS THAT APPLIED THAT WERE OUT OF
THE SIX WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN FIRMS.

NONE OF THEM CAME THROUGH AS CERTIFIED FIRMS TO PARTICIPATE
IN THE PROCESS.
HOWEVER, THE COMPANIES WHO, THE CONSULTANTS OF THE
COMPANIES, BUSINESSES WHO BIDDED ON THE CONTRACTS, THEY CAME
WITH PARTNERS, THE EBO PARTNERS, BUT NONE OF THOSE THAT CAME
TO BID ON THE CONTRACT WERE ACTUALLY EBO FIRMS IN AND OF
THEMSELVES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
02:06:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HEARD OF TWO OF THE NAMES.
TWO OF THE NAMES -- THAT ARE MINORITY FIRMS ARE PRETTY BIG
FIRMS.
I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THAT HAPPENED.
I KNOW TWO OF THE FIRMS VERY WELL.
BUT OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
WHOEVER GOT SELECTED, GOT SELECTED.
02:06:42 >>OCEA WYNN:
WE WILL HAVE A WORKFORCE AND APPRENTICESHIP
COMPLIANCE PROGRAM.
WE'VE TAKEN THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM SOME OF THE OTHER
PROJECTS AND BETTERED THEM HERE AHEAD OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
BUT WE'RE IN THE NEGOTIATIONS IN TERMS OF THAT PIECE AS WE
MOVE FORWARD.
WE'RE EXCITED.
I'M QUITE SURE EVERYONE IS EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT TAKE
PLACE.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I GOT OF THIS

BEFORE YOU SO YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS
ARE.
OUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE,
ANOTHER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE TO GET INPUT IN TERMS OF
WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
02:07:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOW LONG ARE THEY SAYING FOR COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT?
HOW LONG DID THE FIRM SAYING IT WILL TAKE FOR THEIR
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT?
02:07:42 >>OCEA WYNN:
THE FIRM IS NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT
GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF NEGOTIATIONS YET.
HOWEVER, WE DO KNOW IT WON'T BE LIKE A YEAR OF COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT.
02:07:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S GOOD.
ADDED POINT, I KNOW WHEN WE START THAT, A LOT OF THE KIDS
WALK OR THE STAFF WALK THE KIDS FROM THREE DIFFERENT
ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THERE.
SO SOMEHOW IF WE BRING THAT NEW DESIGN ON THE FRONTAGE OF
34th STREET CLOSER, WE NEED TO HAVE A CROSSWALK, SOMEWHERE
IN THAT MIDPOINT SO WE CAN CROSS THE KIDS WITH LIGHTS
BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AND SPEEDING.
A LOT OF ISSUES DOWN THE STREET ALWAYS CALLING AND
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SPEEDING.
MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CROSSWALK IN FRONT OF THAT PROJECT.
02:08:24 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.

ALL OF THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, INCLUDING
BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT HAVING A SENIOR CENTER, HOW DO WE
MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THE SENIORS WHO ARE NOT IN THE AREA
TO GET THERE.
WHAT PARTNERSHIPS DO WE NEED WITH HART OR SOME OF THE OTHER
AGENCIES TO MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT?
WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FORWARDLY AND HOLISTICALLY INSTEAD OF
ONE POINT IN TIME.
02:08:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
POSSIBLY LOOKING AT MAYBE A BUS RAMP FOR
HARTLINE, SOMEBODY.
AGAIN, THIS PARK IS NOT JUST FOR THAT AREA.
IT'S FOR ALL THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH THE AMENITIES WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THERE.
THOSE MAY CATCH THE BUS OR HART PLUS CAN DROP THEM OFF AND
HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO DROP THE SENIORS OFF.
02:09:11 >>OCEA WYNN:
I KEEP SAYING NEXT STEPS, BUT OUR NEXT
IMMEDIATE STEPS ARE DEMOING THE PENNY SAVER.
THE BUILDING HAS BEEN SECURED WITH A FENCE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT CUTTING THE POWER, NOT EVERYTHING THAT'S
NEEDED FOR THAT AND REALISTICALLY I THINK WITHIN THE NEXT
TWO OR THREE WEEKS WE'LL START WITH THE DEMO.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS A PUBLIC EVENT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE
DOING IN THIS AREA IS, IN FACT, HISTORICAL.
02:09:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE COMMUNITY IS EXCITED RIGHT NOW.
VERY EXCITED RIGHT NOW.

02:09:46 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
02:09:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:09:53 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IN OUR NEXT UPDATE HOW THAT'S
GOING BEFORE THE CONTRACT IS DONE.
02:10:04 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, MA'AM.
ABSOLUTELY.
02:10:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:10:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT WAS THE CRA MEETING, PLEASE KEEP
IN MIND WHEN GOING TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE CRA INITIATED THIS
EFFORT, AND THE CRA PUT IN MONEY.
WE'RE NOT SITTING AS CRA RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO CITY COUNCIL
ADVOCATED FOR IT.
I WOULD APPRECIATE IF, FIRST OF ALL, IF THE CRA WAS
RECOGNIZED, NOT INDIVIDUALS, BUT JUST THE ORGANIZATION SO
THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THE CRA CONTRIBUTED TO IT.
AND ALSO THAT CITY COUNCIL AT LEAST AS A WHOLE BE INCLUDED
SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON
THAT.
THANK YOU.
02:10:45 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I GUESS IN MY HASTE TO SIT DOWN, I DID

NOT PUBLICLY NOTE THAT, IN FACT, IT WAS THE CONTRIBUTIONS
FROM THE CRA AND CITY COUNCIL -- WELL, THE CRA TO MAKE THIS
POSSIBLE.
CITY COUNCIL WE HAD LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL PARTNERS.
WE HAVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE SENIOR CENTER ONLY.
I WANT TO KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT A MILLION DOLLARS THAT HAS
BEEN GIVEN TO US FEDERALLY FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.
AND THEN AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
02:11:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MS. WYNN.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS JOINED US
BY INTERNET.
NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE PW 22-75850.
02:11:58 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, MOBILITY.
I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS JUST FINDING MY ITEM AMONG THE MANY THAT I'M WORKING
ON HERE.
WE HAVE AN ITEM FOR A CONTRACT THAT IS OVER THE $3 MILLION
LIMIT.
I SHARED THE EBO PARTICIPATION AND BREAKDOWN WITH THAT ON
OUR COUNCIL BRIEFINGS.
I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT MY
RECALL, IT WAS ABOUT A 32.1% EBO PARTICIPATION ON THAT
CONTRACT.

IT'S FOR WATER MAIN WORK IN THE BILMAR GARDENS AREA.
VERY IMPORTANT WORK TO GET THAT INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACED AND
UP AND RUNNING PROPERLY.
WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF MOVING THAT CONTRACT
FORWARD SO WE CAN GET THAT WATER MAIN WORK OUT.
IT IS PART OF OUR PIPES PROJECT.
AGAIN, WE'RE PLEASED THAT WE HAVE EBO PARTICIPATION OF ABOUT
32.1%.
02:12:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
02:12:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
02:12:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN.
SINCE YOU'RE THERE, LET'S GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
PW 22-75883.
02:13:15 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, THANK YOU.
AGAIN, JEAN DUNCAN.
THIS ITEM IS AN EXTENSION OR AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING
CONTRACT THAT WE ISSUED IN 2018.
[LONG TONE SOUND]
02:13:28 >> FIRE DRILL?
02:13:28 >> NO.
02:13:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE PROCEED.

02:13:46 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THIS IS A COST INCREASE ACTUALLY TO AN
EXISTING CONTRACT WE ISSUED IN 2018.
IT'S FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH ODOR
AND CORROSION CONTROL AT OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THE COST INCREASE IS ABOUT 443,000.
IT IS THE FIRST TIME THIS CONTRACTOR HAS ASKED FOR A COST
INCREASE.
AND THAT IS DUE, OF COURSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO INCREASING
PRICES.
THIS PARTICULAR CHEMICAL THAT WE REQUIRE FOR THE ODOR
CONTROL IS CALLED BIOXIDE AND THE COST HAS GONE UP.
WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE COST INCREASE FOR THIS
PARTICULAR ITEM FOR OUR WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
02:14:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
02:14:30 >> SECOND.
02:14:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MS. DUNCAN, AT THIS TIME, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE A COUPLE OF
CONTINUED AGENDA ITEMS, 43 AND 44, I SEE WHIT REMER IS HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT, IF
YOU WOULD, MR. REMER.
02:15:01 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE APPRECIATE THAT, CHAIR.
WE DO HAVE CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE TRAVELED FROM TALLAHASSEE

AS WELL AS MR. REMER WHO LEFT HIS FAMILY VACATION WITH THREE
YOUNG CHILDREN.
WE DO APPRECIATE A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO SHARE THE
INFORMATION FROM THAT STAFF REPORT.
02:15:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
02:15:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I OBJECT TO THIS.
IT'S OUT OF ORDER.
THE PUBLIC WAS HERE THIS MORNING TO GIVE INPUT ON THIS.
THIS APPEARS TO BE A POLITICAL ATTEMPT TO PUSH A PROJECT
THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT AND IT'S WITHOUT PUBLIC
SCRUTINY.
IT'S NOT SCHEDULED FOR THIS TIME SO NOBODY WOULD BE WATCHING
THIS.
THEY SHOULD COME BACK AT A SCHEDULED TIME AND HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SO WE CAN HAVE A FULL, ROBUST DEBATE
ABOUT IT.
02:15:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF NO ONE WAS HERE THIS MORNING AND WE
WERE LIVING IN A DESERT WHERE NO ONE SHOWED UP, THESE ITEMS
WERE PUT ON THE AGENDA.
IN FACT, THESE ITEMS WERE VOTED TO BE TRANSFERRED TO
SEPTEMBER 15, '22 WITHOUT ANYONE ASKING IF ANYBODY ELSE IN
THE AUDIENCE HAD ANY PARTICIPATION.
IF I'M WRONG, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE FACES HERE, IF YOU
WERE HERE 9:00 IN THE MORNING, RAISE YOUR HAND OR 9:30 IN
THE MORNING.

SO THEY WERE HERE.
THEY WERE NOT HEARD.
WE PASSED THIS PREMATURELY TO SET IT TO SEPTEMBER 15 OF 22.
MY MOTION WILL BE TO REOPEN TO LISTEN.
02:16:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
IS THERE A SECOND?
I'M PASSING THE GAVEL.
I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
02:16:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE CLARIFY THE MOTION?
ARE WE HEARING PUBLIC INPUT?
IF IT'S PUBLIC INPUT THEN THE STAFF PERSON WOULD GET THREE
MINUTES.
ARE WE HEARING A FULL STAFF PRESENTATION?
02:16:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT
THEY WANT.
THE PUBLIC SPOKE TODAY -- THEY HAD THREE OR FOUR INDIVIDUALS
SPEAKING.
IF YOU ALLOW FOR THREE MINUTES EACH, I GUESS THAT'S FINE
WITH THEM.
I NEVER TALKED TO THEM UNTIL I SAW THEM AFTER WE WERE ON
BREAK.
WHAT HAPPENED TO US?
NOTHING, WE'RE FULL OF ITEMS.
02:16:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS NOT AT ALL FAIR TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S ANOTHER SURREPTITIOUS THING BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO

TRY TO TRICK THE PUBLIC INTO APPROVING THIS.
02:17:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I TRICKED
ANYBODY IS WHEN I THREW A CHANGEUP, AND THAT'S IN BASEBALL.
THERE'S NO CHANGEUP IN POLITICS.
THE MEDIA IS HERE.
WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT?
ARE WE AFRAID TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS A DIFFERENT
OPINION FROM MINE?
THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED --
02:17:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M NOT AFRAID, BUT WE CAUGHT THE WATER
DEPARTMENT IN MULTIPLE FACT ERRORS AND MULTIPLE --
02:17:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS NOT AN ERROR, SIR.
THIS HAPPENED MAYBE -- MAYBE -- I'M NOT EXCUSING ANYONE --
THIS HAPPENED BEFORE THEY HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
THEY'VE BEEN HERE.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
FOR CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY, I MOVE --
02:17:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS THIS SO BADLY THAT
THEY ARE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING TO GO AGAINST THE PUBLIC TO
PASS THIS.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
02:17:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
02:17:48 >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS WHY THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
02:17:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S YOUR OPINION.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION.
BUT MY OPINION IS DIFFERENT THAN YOURS.
THAT'S IT.
I'M NOT MAD AT YOU.
02:17:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M NOT MAD AT YOU EITHER.
I'M MAD AT THE ADMINISTRATION FOR MISLEADING THE PUBLIC AND
GIVING FALSE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND NOW TRYING TO
HAVE A DISCUSSION WHEN THE PUBLIC IS NOT HERE.
02:18:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BUT THE QUESTION IS, WERE THEY HERE?
DID THEY BUTT IN?
NO.
THEY WERE HERE.
SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?
JUST LISTEN TO ONE SIDE AND TO HELL WITH THE OTHER SIDE NO
MATTER WHICH SIDE?
02:18:11 >>BILL CARLSON:
BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE SHOULD HEAR
THE PUBLIC, NOT HEAR THE FULL PRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY'RE
GOING TO SAY.
THE PRESENTATION HAS TO BE SCHEDULED FOR THE PUBLIC.
02:18:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
-- ALLOWED THREE MINUTES EACH.
02:18:19 >>WHIT REMER:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL
PRESENTATION.
WE JUST HAD A QUICK UPDATE.
RESPECTFULLY, EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL HAS BEEN BRIEFED ON
EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE PRESENTING TODAY.

IT WAS IN SIRE.
WE REGRETFULLY HAD TO MOVE A STANDING MEETING THAT WE HAVE
WITH SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR LAST
WEEK.
IT'S NOW SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW.
THEY RECEIVED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND
WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT THAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO PREPARE BACK
IN FEBRUARY TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY THAT STAYS WITHIN THE
LANES OF EXACTLY WHAT THIS BODY ASKED US TO DO WHICH WAS TO
EXPAND ALL ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS OF ALL OF THE COMBINATIONS
THAT ARE AVAILABLE UNDER THE PURE PROGRAM AND TO ENGAGE IN
ROBUST PUBLIC COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE BETWEEN TODAY AND SEPTEMBER.
02:19:06 >> TAKE THE VOTE.
02:19:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND A SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN CITRO.
COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS A COMMENT.
02:19:15 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WHEN THAT MOTION WAS ORIGINALLY MADE
EARLY IN THE MEETING I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
DIDN'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT OR DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE IT
CONTINUED, THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T SAY SOMETHING EARLY ON.
I'M FOR, IF THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS ON
THIS, I'M FINE WITH IT.

IT'S MY BELIEF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE WHOLE
PRESENTATION ON IT.
I'LL JUST END IT AT THAT.
AGAIN, I'M FINE WITH HEARING PEOPLE OUT.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO CHANGE SOMETHING FROM WHAT WAS
DONE EARLIER THIS MORNING, A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY HAVE LEFT WHO
WERE GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT AND MAY HAVE LEFT BECAUSE OF
THAT, I THINK.
AGAIN, I'M NOT THERE PHYSICALLY.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT.
I'M FINE WITH GOING FORWARD AND ALLOWING FOLKS TO TALK.
AGAIN, EVERYTHING WITHIN GOOD MEASURE.
THANK YOU.
02:20:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
HE'S GOING TO MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
THERE'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON BECAUSE WE ALREADY POSTPONED IT
TO SEPTEMBER.
02:20:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMMENTS FROM
STAFF BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WAS HERE, DECIDED TO MOVE TO
THE 15th.
THEY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON THAT.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE ISSUE.
02:20:37 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO COUNCIL,
THIS CAME UP ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, THE PUBLIC WOULD MAKE COMMENT

DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN SOME SORT OF DEBATE WHEN YOU
APPROVE THE ITEM.
YOU WOULD TAKE THEIR COMMENTS UP FRONT.
02:20:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ALSO TOLD PEOPLE WE WEREN'T GOING TO
BRING IT UP AND DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LEFT.
02:21:00 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
UNDERSTOOD AND A FAIR COMMENT.
02:21:02 >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALSO, IT SAID IN THIS AGENDA REQUESTING THAT
THE ITEM BE MOVED TO STAFF REPORT.
SO IT WASN'T GOING TO BE A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
02:21:11 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
EVEN UNDER STAFF REPORTS YOU DON'T
TYPICALLY HAVE A -- IT'S NOT SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
TYPICALLY HEAR IT SEPARATELY UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
YOU DON'T TYPICALLY UNLESS YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL CAN
WAIVE ITS RULES AND ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ALMOST ANYTIME
DURING THE MEETING.
TYPICALLY, YOU TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT'S
NOT SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING UNDER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:21:33 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF HE PRESENTS, EVEN
WHAT HE SAID IS NOT TRUE.
IT DOESN'T STAY WITHIN THE LANES.
IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE EXACT DESCRIPTION.
THE WHOLE THING IS PUT TOGETHER IN A BIASED WAY.
ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THREE HOURS TALKING ABOUT THIS AND LET
THEM PRESENT MISINFORMATION AGAIN OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE

THIS AT A TIME WHEN THE PUBLIC CAN GIVE INPUT ON IT?
02:21:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL OPPOSED?
02:22:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL.
02:22:04 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:22:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S 4-3.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
MOTION FROM MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM CITRO.
02:22:11 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
02:22:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
02:22:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
02:22:17 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:22:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
02:22:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:22:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
02:22:28 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK, CARLSON AND GUDES
VOTING NO.
02:22:35 >> THANK YOU.
AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE -- WHIT REMER, SUSTAINABILITY AND
RESILIENCE OFFER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU ABOUT

THE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU.
BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY CAME, THE
ADMINISTRATION CAME TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A CONTRACT TO
UNDERTAKE AN INITIAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH PCL.
THEY ARE THE PRIME ON A BIG WATER REUSE PROJECT THAT THE
CITY IS CONSIDERING THAT WE CALL PURE.
UNDER THAT INITIAL SERVICES CONTRACT, THERE WERE A FEW
ALTERNATIVES THAT THE CITY HAD KIND OF NARROWED DOWN THROUGH
SOME PREVIOUS ENGINEERING.
CITY COUNCIL MADE VERY, VERY CLEAR TO US THAT THOSE
ALTERNATIVES WEREN'T SUFFICIENT, THAT THEY DIDN'T COVER A
BROAD ENOUGH SET OF OPTIONS ON HOW TO BENEFICIALLY REUSE THE
CITY'S WATER.
SO CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF MANY ENVIRONMENTAL STROLLED
GROUPS ASKED THAT THE CITY GO AND AMEND THAT CONTRACT TO
LOOK AT ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS.
I'LL REMIND YOU A COUPLE OF THEM.
EXPANDING THE PURPLE PIPE PROGRAM, WATER CONSERVATION, DEEP
WELL INJECTION, SELLING WATER TO A REGIONAL WATER ENTITY,
ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE THINGS THAT THIS BODY ASKED THE
ADMINISTRATION TO GO AND AMEND IN THAT CONTRACT.
THE SECOND THING THAT THIS BODY AND THE PUBLIC ASKED FOR WAS
FOR ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
WE HAD SOME VERY PRELIMINARY DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PUT
TOGETHER BY THE THEN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT, WHICH

WEREN'T SUFFICIENT TO US, PREVIEWING WITH SOME MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC DIDN'T REALLY MEET THE MARK.
FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
ENDMENT TO INCLUDE ALL THE ALTERNATIVES THAT THIS BODY
SUGGESTED, RECOMMENDED, DEMANDED, AND ALSO TO SEARCH FOR A
NEW PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT.
WE HAVE DONE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
THOSE ARE IN THE AMENDMENT.
THIS IS LITERALLY AN AMENDMENT THAT CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED
US TO PUT TOGETHER.
I REGRET THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO BRIEF THE FULL AMENDMENT TO
THAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT WE MEET WITH REGULARLY LAST
WEEK, BUT THEY ARE IN RECEIPT OF IT NOW.
THE AMENDMENT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE BETWEEN TODAY AND
SEPTEMBER.
IT'S GOING TO STAY THE SAME.
SO JUST DELAYING IT UNFORTUNATELY WORKS AGAINST I THINK WHAT
PERHAPS COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR, WHICH IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE MORE.
THAT'S WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES.
IT ALLOWS US TO GO OUT AND START THAT REALLY IMPORTANT
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
RIGHT NOW, THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND MY DEPARTMENT FEEL
REALLY CONSTRAINED WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE CAN DO ON THE
PURE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A VERY SMALL SLICE OF FUNDING

AVAILABLE.
THIS CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH PCL FOR $1.1 MILLION AND SOME
CHANGE AND WILL ALLOW US TO GO ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS
THAT I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND OTHER MEMBERS HAVE POSED
TO US.
WE CAN'T DO THIS WORK.
WE CAN'T START ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
WE CAN'T DO THE ENGINEERING AND THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
WITHOUT THIS AMENDMENT IN PLACE AND NOTHING IS GOING TO
CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER.
I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THIS BODY TO RESCIND THE
CONTINUANCE AND VOTE ON THIS AMENDMENT TODAY.
02:25:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO GIVE AN UPDATE.
SEE, THIS IS ANOTHER PLOY BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO TRY TO
SELL THIS.
MR. CHAIR, NUMBER ONE, THE CITY -- I'VE TALKED TO THE DEP.
THE CITY SENDS AN HONEST REQUEST TO DEP THEY WILL GET
APPROVED TO CONTINUE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WHICH
WILL BUY US TIME.
THE MAIN EXCUSE FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD IS THAT THE STATE IS
FORCING US TO DO IT.
IT'S NOT TRUE.
IF THEY SEND A REQUEST TO DEP, WHICH THEY TOLD ME THEY ARE
GOING TO DO, THAT HAS ANY BIAS WHATSOEVER IN IT, I MAY END
UP PERSONALLY FILING A LAWSUIT BECAUSE I AM SICK AND TIRED

OF THIS MISINFORMATION OUT THERE.
NUMBER TWO, THE ALTERNATIVES WERE NOT BASED ON SCIENCE.
THEY ARE BASED ON POLITICS AND DESIRE BY SOMEBODY, ALL BUT
ONE OF THEM REQUIRE THE CITY AND CITY WATER RATEPAYERS TO
SPEND MILLIONS, IF NOT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUILD
SOMETHING WHEN WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T HAVE TO.
ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE TO SELL THE WATER AS IS.
THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THERE.
AND ALL OF THESE ALTERNATIVES -- CAN I FINISH, PLEASE?
THESE ALTERNATIVES DO NOT INCLUDE THAT.
WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO IS TO GIVE SOMEBODY IN THE WATER
DEPARTMENT, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH SOMEBODY WHEN WE DON'T
NEED TO DO THAT AT ALL.
SO THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT THE RIGHT ALTERNATIVES.
THEY ARE NOT BASED ON WHAT I REQUEST OR WE REQUESTED.
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AS BEST I READ IT, THERE ARE NOW THREE PR
FIRMS, INCLUDING ONE FROM TALLAHASSEE THAT'S SITTING IN THE
BACK.
YOU'VE HAD SINCE FEBRUARY, AND THE CONTRACT SAYS WE'LL PUT
TOGETHER A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN FOR YOU.
WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH?
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ASK US FOR MONEY SO WE CAN GO PUT
TOGETHER A PLAN?
IT SHOULD BY NOW HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS,

WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, ET CETERA.
INSTEAD WHAT IT HAS IS WE'RE GOING TO CREATE VIDEOS, WE'RE
GOING TO CREATE A BRANDING MANUAL, AN IDENTITY MANUAL FOR
PURE SO THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT IT IS
PRESUMABLY SO THEY'LL LIKE IT.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ANYMORE.
IT'S TURNING INTO A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN BECAUSE THE MAYOR
KNOWS IT'S A LIABILITY.
SHE'S NOT GOING TO GET REELECTED IF THIS GETS PASSED.
ANYBODY WHO VOTES FOR THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET REELECTED.
THE PUBLIC HATES IT.
THEY ARE INCLUDING A POLL.
THEY WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PUBLIC SAYS.
THE POLL LIKELY WILL BE SKEWED, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE
THEY PRESENT.
THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
THIS IS NOT -- IF THIS DOES NOT CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN,
THERE ARE GOING TO BE A THOUSAND PEOPLE HERE IN THE PUBLIC
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
IT'S PRETENDING LIKE THEY ARE LISTENING TO US, PRETENDING
LIKE THEY ARE LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEY ARE
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THEY ARE TRYING TO PULL ONE OVER ON THE PUBLIC.
THEY WANT TO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE WATER RATES AND MAKE PEOPLE
DRINK POTTY WATER OR PUT POTTY WATER IN OUR SYSTEM, AND WE

DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T NEED TO WASTE RATEPAYER MONEY ON THIS.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PUBLIC.
02:28:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:28:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE A SPORTS FANATIC GUY,
BASEBALL GUY.
I'M A FOOTBALL GUY.
I'LL TELL YOU, THERE IS A FLAG ON THE PLATE.
WHIT, THERE IS A FLAG ON THE PLATE.
YOU HAD HIM UNTIL YOU SAID WHAT YOU SAID.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH HIM ON THAT PORTION.
THAT WAS GOOD.
BUT THEN YOU COME AND TELL THIS COUNCIL WHAT YOU WANT US TO
GO AND MOVE THIS, TO ME THAT IS A FOUL ON THE PLAY.
I CAN SEE WHY THE MAN IS HOT.
HE'S HOT.
I CAN'T BLAME HIM.
THAT WAS A FLAG ON THE PLAY.
02:28:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SOMETIMES EVEN ON THE TV THEY REVERSE THE
CALL.
[ LAUGHTER ]
REMEMBER THAT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS THIS, IT WAS US THAT ASKED
THEM TO EXPAND THE FOCUS, AM I CORRECT?
02:29:08 >> THAT IS CORRECT.

02:29:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAYBE I'M WRONG.
I'M GETTING OLDER, MY MIND GETTING BETTER, I HAVE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
IF ANYTHING, WE'RE THE ONES THAT ASKED THEM TO DO THIS, TO
EXPAND THE FOCUS.
I CORRECT OR NOT?
THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.
ME, EVERY TIME I HEAR SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO GET ELECTED,
I'M NEVER AFRAID OF AN ELECTION.
YOU EITHER WIN OR YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH VOTES.
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH VOTES, I'M NOT TALKING
ABOUT MYSELF, YOU'RE BETTER OFF.
02:29:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:29:38 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE ALL WEEK.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.
I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE MONEY HAS CURRENTLY BEEN SPENT ON.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THIS IS WHAT I DO IN MY DAY JOB.
MONITORING AND EVALUATION OF AID PROJECTS, GOVERNMENT
PROJECTS.
THIS IS WHAT I DO.
MIDTERM EVALUATIONS, WHEN YOU ARE AT THE MIDPOINT OF
SOMETHING AND COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR MORE MONEY, YOU
HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHERE THE MONEY WAS SPENT ALREADY.
I ASKED FOR THAT AND GOT A LIST OF THINGS BUT I DON'T KNOW

HOW MUCH WAS SPENT ON EACH THING.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT.
THEN I ALSO WANT TO KNOW THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
SPENDING, WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE SPENT?
I ECHO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE DO NOT NEED THREE PR FIRMS FOR
THIS.
WHEN READING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION I GOT LAST NIGHT,
AGAIN, THE SAME DOCUMENTATION ON THE PR FIRM.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PR FIRM IS GOING TO DO FOR US.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL THE PROJECT WHEN THAT
IS NOT WHAT THIS COUNCIL ASKED FOR.
THIS COUNCIL ASKED FOR THEM TO EDUCATE ABOUT THESE POSSIBLE
ISSUES AND EVEN IF THE PUBLIC WANTED TO CONTINUE.
SO IF IT'S SUCH A GOOD IDEA, THE PROJECT SHOULD SELL ITSELF,
IT SHOULD NOT NEED THREE PR FIRMS.
ALSO, AGAIN, HAVING COME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, MY
QUESTION IS, WHAT IS PURE ACTUALLY?
IS PURE A SOLUTION FOR DRINKING WATER AND FINDING CHEAPER
AND BETTER WAYS TO DO THAT?
OR IS IT TO SATISFY THE WASTEWATER MANDATE?
EVEN IF IT IS THAT, WHAT IS THE STATE'S MECHANISM FOR
ENFORCEMENT OF THIS MANDATE?
SO THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
I DO NOT THEM ANSWERED RIGHT NOW.
I AM JUST SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON IF

THIS ACTUALLY COME UP.
I WILL MENTION IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO A
VOTE.
I'M REALLY MAD ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, I WAS PREPARED, GLAD I WAS PREPARED BUT THIS IS NOT
OKAY.
JUST THROWING IT BACK ON US IS NOT OKAY.
I WANT THE PUBLIC HERE, BUT I ALSO REALLY WANT ACCOUNTING
FOR WHERE THE MONEY HAS GONE AND WHERE IT WILL GO.
I'M FINE SUPPORTING AN AMENDMENT, BUT I WANT TO KNOW
ABSOLUTE TO THE PENNY WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO AND
WHERE IT'S SPENT ALREADY.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S BEEN SPENT ON ACTUALLY MAKING
THIS PLAN.
THANK YOU.
02:32:03 >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
I'LL TRY AND DO MY BEST OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS TO BE
COLLABORATIVE AND COLLEGIAL WITH ALL PARTIES, COUNCIL.
I HOPE COUNCIL AGREES WITH THAT.
I TRY TO SIT IN AS MANY WATER CONVERSATIONS AS POSSIBLE
KNOWING I HAVE SEVEN OTHER PORTFOLIOS TO WATCH AND TRY AND
MAKE SURE THAT I AT LEAST LISTEN AND HEAR.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU REALLY BRING US ALL DOWN, THE
ONLY INTENTION OF CITY GOVERNMENT, IN MY OPINION, IS TO MAKE

SURE THAT WE HAVE WHAT I CALL THE BIG THREE.
GOOD, HEALTHY, SAFE, CLEAN DRINKING WATER AT THE BEST
POSSIBLE PRICE, SUSTAINABLE BY THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE
SUPPLY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF -- I TRY AND SIMPLIFY THINGS.
I LISTEN FOR THOSE FACETS ALL THE TIME.
I DIDN'T COME UP HERE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, AND I DO LISTEN
TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF
PURE AS A PROCESS VERSUS A PROGRAM.
AND I TRY AND MAKE SURE WE LISTEN IN THE SAME WAY WHEN I GET
INTO THE MEETINGS SOMETIMES.
BUT THE ONLY REASON I CAME UP -- AND I DO AGREE WITH
EVERYTHING SAID ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE
IT TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL IS ASKING TODAY, I
THINK THAT'S A VERY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.
I'M WILLING TO SIT IN WITH ANY GROUP.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH COUNCILMAN
CARLSON OFF-LINE TO HEAR MORE OF THE IDEAS AND TRY AND MAKE
SURE WE FIND THE COMMON GROUND ON THIS FOR THE FUTURE OF
TAMPA WHICH IS REALLY THE ONLY -- AND I WILL SAY THE REGION
BECAUSE I AM A REGIONALLY MINDED PERSON.
I WORKED ACROSS THE BAY.
I UNDERSTAND THE INTRICACIES OF ALL THE BASIC NEEDS IN
TRANSPORTATION.
ONE THING I WOULD SAY AND TALKED TO THE CHAIRMAN ABOUT THIS,

AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER ON IT, IF
SOMETHING WILL GET CONTINUED DURING AGENDA REVIEW, CAN WE
GIVE THE STAFF A CHANCE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE
CONTINUANCE, WHETHER IT GOES OR STAYS, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO
ME.
BUT ONE THING WE TEND TO NOT DO, WE TEND TO CONTINUE
SOMETHING WITHOUT GIVING THE LEAD STAFF PERSON A LITTLE BIT
OF FEEDBACK BEFORE THE VOTE IS TAKEN.
SO IT'S JUST A GENERAL WORKING RELATIONSHIP THING THAT I
WOULD ASK FOR GOING FORWARD AND WE WOULD AVOID THIS
SITUATION GOING FORWARD.
SO THANK YOU.
02:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:34:14 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, AND YOU'VE
BEEN AN HONEST BROKER WORKING WITH US ON LOTS OF THINGS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A MEETING WITH YOU OR WHOMEVER TO
TRY TO WORK THIS OUT.
WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC FOR THE RATE
PAYERS TO TAKE ON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT OR HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE TELL THE TRUTH AND TELL IT
CONSISTENTLY.
A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES I MENTIONED BEFORE, FIRST TIME I MET
THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS THREE YEARS AGO, SHE SAID, WELL, WE

CAN'T WORK WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THE
DESAL PLANT DOESN'T WORK.
I SAID IT'S BEEN WORKING FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS, BUT IT SHOWED
THAT SOMEBODY HAD GIVEN HER FALSE INFORMATION.
SOMEBODY HAD GIVEN THE MAYOR FALSE INFORMATION.
SHE SAID WELL IT'S NOT WORKING AT CAPACITY.
I EXPLAINED IT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE SOURCE OF WATER, SO
IT'S NOT USED AT FULL CAPACITY BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THAT.
YOU AND I SAT IN A MEETING WITH THE MAYOR IN FEBRUARY AND MY
LEGISLATIVE AIDE WAS THERE AND SHE SAID WE CAN'T BUY FROM
TAMPA BAY WATER BECAUSE THE WATER QUALITY IS BAD.
I SAID, MADAM MAYOR, WE PROVED THIS PUBLICLY THREE YEARS AGO
THAT WATER IS TREATED TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
$250,000 A YEAR FIX TO FIX IT.
AGAIN, SHE WAS GIVEN FALSE INFORMATION.
I THINK THAT SHE'S GOT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC AT
MIND, HOPEFULLY, BUT SOMEBODY IS GIVING HER FALSE
INFORMATION.
WE KNOW THAT INCONSISTENT INFORMATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO
EVEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BEFORE SHE GOT ON COUNCIL.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS AN HONEST DIALOGUE.
IN OTHER AREAS, I DON'T HEAR FEEDBACK ABOUT MISINFORMATION
AND WRONG INFORMATION.
WE HAD THE POLICE THIS MORNING AND THERE WERE DISAGREEMENTS
ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I NEVER HEAR FEEDBACK LIKE I DO

ON THIS.
THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THAT DON'T TRUST THIS
PROCESS.
AND WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND NOT FORCE IT THROUGH AND
PUT UP FALSE REASONS TO PUSH IT THROUGH QUICKLY.
WE NEED TO BE HONEST AND OPEN WITH THE PUBLIC AND NOT ARGUE
WITH THEM AND THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION HAS TO BE INTERACTIVE
WITH THE PUBLIC TO PRESENT HONEST FACTUAL INFORMATION AND
HEAR BACK FROM THEM AND REALLY LISTEN TO THEM.
THE WAY IT'S SET UP IN THE DOCUMENT, IT LOOKS LIKES WE'LL
CREATE A BRAND AND BRAND DOCUMENT AND VIDEOS TO SELL IT TO
THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE DUMB AND THEY JUST
DON'T UNDERSTAND IT OR THAT I'M DUMB AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND
IT.
THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND IT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE
AGAINST IT AND WE WANT THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO DO THE RIGHT
THING.
I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH WHOMEVER TO TRY TO MAKE THIS
AN HONEST PROJECT THAT WILL BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE.
IF WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN PRESENT IN SEPTEMBER ALL TOGETHER
AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
02:36:41 >>JOHN BENNETT:
I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.
I WILL SAY NOT BEING A WATER EXPERT BY ANY SENSE OF THE
IMAGINATION, I WATCHED THE MAYOR WHEN SHE FIRST ENTERED
OFFICE.

THE FIRST THING SHE DID WAS INVITED REGIONAL PARTNERS IN
KNOWING THIS WAS A CONCERN AND ASKED HER THEIR FEEDBACK ON
HOW TO DO THIS BOTH LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY.
AND SHE WAS WILLING TO TAKE IN THAT FEEDBACK.
THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I REALLY APPLAUD OUR LEADERSHIP
FOR, WHETHER IT'S COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR, IS THAT THEIR
WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO ALL DIFFERENT THINGS AND COME OUT
WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER, BOTH FOR OUR JURISDICTION AND OUR
CONTIGUOUS JURISDICTIONS GOING FORWARD.
BECAUSE THIS PROBABLY WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE IN
OUR REPERTOIRE OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES GOING FORWARD.
I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO WORK WITH THE GROUPS TO
HELP IT MOVE FORWARD.
I WANT TO ASK THAT ONE CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THERE ARE GOOD
REASONS TO CONTINUE THINGS AND SOMETIMES WE'VE GOT TO MOVE
THE BALL FORWARD.
I WOULD JUST ASK IF WE COULD JUST ASK THE LEAD STAFF PERSON
AND AGAIN, THEN THE VOTE IS THE VOTE AFTER THAT.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
THANK YOU.
02:37:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:37:44 >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU, CHIEF BENNETT, FOR BRINGING UP
ANOTHER POINT ABOUT NOT BEING A WATER EXPERT.
I AM NOT A WATER EXPERT.
NO ONE APPEARS A WATER EXPERT.

SO WE DO RELY ON THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND THEIR EXPERTS.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS THAT WE CHOOSE A FIRM
TO WORK WITH THAT REALLY UNDERSTANDS WATER, TOO, AND NOT
JUST NECESSARILY A POLITICAL PR FIRM.
AND I WOULD REALLY, REALLY WANT ANY FIRM THAT COMES IN FRONT
OF US FOR APPROVAL TO SHOW THAT THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THESE
COMPLICATED WATER ISSUES.
I HAVE BEEN ON WEEKLY PHONE CALLS, HOUR-LONG CALLS TO LEARN
ABOUT WATER AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
I KEEP SAYING HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO UNDERSTAND, AND I DON'T
KNOW HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DISTILL THIS INTO THE FIVE
DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN WAYS THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND.
TO ME, THE CHOICE OF THE PR FIRM IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
WE CAN DO.
SO I NEED TO KNOW THAT THOSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WATER AND I
EVEN JOKED AND I DON'T THINK -- NOW I DON'T THINK I WAS
JOKING THAT I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD SEE THE PRESENTATION
BEFORE IT GOES TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE --
WHAT IS IT, SIXTH-GRADE QUALITY, THAT EVERYONE CAN
UNDERSTAND IT.
THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED, VERY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK WHAT
WE ARE ALL SAYING IS WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GET IT WRONG AND
WE DON'T WANT ANY MISINFORMATION TO MAKE IT TO THE PUBLIC
BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A MINDSET ON THIS AND WE'RE NOT
TRYING TO CHANGE MINDS; WE'RE TRYING TO EDUCATE ON ALL THE

OPTIONS.
SO WHAT I WOULD -- AGAIN, WHEN YOU COME FORWARD ON SEPTEMBER
15th, I WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING.
I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER NOW.
I'M JUST SAYING I REALLY WANT MORE IN-DEPTH ON WHAT THIS IS
GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
02:39:51 >>WHIT REMER:
MAY I RESPOND BRIEFLY?
THANK YOU.
THE PRESENTATION TODAY WAS NEVER THE PRESENTATION FROM THE
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FIRM.
THE VOTE TODAY WAS TO GO UNDER CONTRACT WITH THAT FIRM SO
THEY COULD DEVELOP THOSE MATERIALS.
THE REASON THERE ARE THREE PR FIRMS IS BECAUSE THIS IS A
VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE.
SO WE NEED ROBUST RESOURCES TO GO OUT AND DO THAT
ENGAGEMENT.
ONCE THIS FIRM IS UNDER CONTRACT, THE FIRST PEOPLE TO SEE
THEIR PLAN, THEIR PROPOSED PLAN, WILL BE THIS COUNCIL AND
THAT MEMBER OF STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.
NOTHING WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT THIS BODY BEING ABLE
TO DELIBERATE SIGNIFICANTLY ON THAT PROPOSED PLAN.
COUNCILWOMAN, I HEARD THAT ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS AT LEAST
SEVEN MEETINGS.
THAT'S BEEN NOTED ALREADY.
BUT WE CAN'T PUT THESE PEOPLE TO WORK WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT

TO THIS CONTRACT.
I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT.
WHAT WE COME WITH ON SEPTEMBER 15 WAS GOING TO BE NO
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN'T ASK THESE PEOPLE TO DO WORK FOR FREE.
02:40:51 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M NOT ASKING THEM TO DO WORK FOR FREE.
BUT I AM ASKING FOR THIS -- I WANT A MORE BREAK DOWN BUDGET.
I WOULD LIKE A BREAKDOWN OF THE BUDGET ALREADY SPENT.
A BUDGET THAT WILL BE SPENT AND JUST SOME IDEAS FROM STAFF
TO GIVE TO THE PR FIRM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT A PR FIRM NEEDS TO MAKE THOSE -- THAT'S
WHAT THEY DO.
IN MY EXPERIENCE IN EDUCATION, IF YOU DON'T GIVE PEOPLE VERY
CLEAR INFORMATION, THEY CAN'T PASS IT ALONG BECAUSE THEN
WE'RE EXPECTING THE PR FIRM TO LEARN ABOUT WATER.
AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE GIVEN THEM THAT INFORMATION.
I DO EXPECT THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO COME TO US
WITH AN EXPLANATION THAT ISN'T GOING TO TAKE AN INCREDIBLY
LONG TIME.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
I DON'T ENVY YOU.
I KNOW YOU ALL ARE DOING -- YOU'RE WORKING REALLY HARD ON
THIS AND WE'RE ASKING A LOT.
BUT IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS SO COMPLICATED AND SO CRITICAL AND
SO EXPENSIVE.

02:41:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:41:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN OUR CONVERSATION, I WILL SAY I'M NOT THE
WATER GUY.
I'M NOT THE WATER GUY, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC
HAS WHAT THEY NEED.
I TALKED ABOUT THOSE PR FIRMS.
PEOPLE WILL HAVE A PERCEPTION OR PERCEIVE THAT SOMETHING IS
NOT RIGHT.
SOMETHING IS NOT CLEAN.
JUST LIKE WHEN I SAID IT TO YOU GUYS, IT TURNED OUT JUST
LIKE I SAID I KNEW IT WOULD.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKS ABOUT -- I SAID SOMEBODY WHO
ACTUALLY KNOWS THE PRODUCT, KNOWS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE,
KNOWS THE INS AND OUT OF WATER, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
YOU GO TO SOME COMMUNITIES, THIS HE HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT
WATER.
THIS IS HOW MUCH COSTS ON MY BILL.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING MAKE SURE WE TELL PEOPLE THOSE
DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND ALSO ABILITY TO, FOR A SIXTH GRADER
TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I GET THAT POINT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID FROM THE GET-GO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
WITH A FIRM.
BUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT FIRM.

APPARENTLY YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT FIRM YOU SAY YOU'RE
DOING THE WORK WITH.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON OR RIGHT FIRM TO DO THE
JOB.
AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE CAN READ
AND UNDERSTAND IT AND KNOW ABOUT WATER AND REALLY LOOK AT
THE OPTIONS.
AGAIN, I'M NOT A BIG WATER GURU, LIKE MR. MIRANDA, MR.
CARLSON'S PEOPLE, BUT I DO KNOW THERE IS A WAY YOU CAN PUMP
THE WATER, SEWAGE, WHATEVER TO SOMEPLACE ELSE AND STORE IT,
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING ALL OUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHEN
THERE MAY BE SIMPLE OPTIONS THAT ARE CHEAPER.
MAYBE NOT CHEAPER BUT MAYBE A SIMPLE OPTION THAT'S LESS
COST.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
WHAT IS THE BEST OPTION, NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO HAVE OR
DO, BUT WHAT IS THE BEST OPTION TO GET FROM A TO B TO SAY WE
HAVE A GOOD COST MEASURE FOR THE CITIZENS.
02:43:48 >>WHIT REMER:
THOSE ARE THE EXACT QUESTIONS WE WOULD LIKE TO
ANSWER, TOO, SIR.
02:43:52 >>BILL CARLSON:
HOPEFULLY MAKE THIS MY FINAL COMMENTS.
APPRECIATE YOUR DISCRETION.
02:43:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
02:43:56 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'VE APPROVED TWO OR THREE TIMES BEFORE
BUDGETS THAT INCLUDED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

I USED TO BE IN THIS BUSINESS.
I GAVE IT UP FOUR YEARS AGO.
I'M NOT IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BUSINESS ANYMORE.
IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT MUCH TIME TO WRITE A PLAN.
WITH ALL THE TWO OR THREE MILLION DOLLARS WE'VE SPENT SO FAR
WE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOME OUTLINE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN.
IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN SEVEN MEETINGS TO START WITH.
WE NEED TO FULLY ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OUTLINE, WHEN IT INCLUDES THINGS
LIKE A BRANDING MANUAL, FIRST OF ALL, THE NAME PURE IS
MISLEADING TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO
MODIFY THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU COME BACK BECAUSE WE'VE
GIVEN YOU SOME FEEDBACK.
YOU HEARD FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC THIS MORNING.
YOU'LL MEET TOMORROW WITH SOME STAKEHOLDERS.
LET'S MODIFY IT AND SHOW US HOW YOU LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC.
LET'S START NOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE MARKETING OF IT IT'S BEEN PRESENTED
I THINK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THE PLAN, TO
DROUGHT-PROOF TAMPA.
THAT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL.
THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
THE REAL REASON WE NEED IT IS BECAUSE THE STATE IS FORCING
US TO DO IT.

THERE'S NO OTHER JUSTIFIABLE REASON FOR IT.
THAT IS AN ASPIRATION OF MAYBE YOUR DEPARTMENT OR THE WATER
DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO GOOGLE -- MAYOR SAID TO ME I
GUESS YOU DON'T THINK WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE
OF THE FUTURE.
YES, IT IS.
THAT'S WHY I HELPED CREATE TAMPA BAY WATER IN 1998 IF YOU
GOOGLE IT.
TAMPA BAY IS UNLIKE EVERY OTHER REGION IN THE WORLD.
WE'RE A CASE STUDY IN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE
WATER PROBLEMS THAT OTHER AREAS HAVE.
THIS, IF IT'S PUT TOGETHER IN THE WRONG WAY, THREATENS TO
PULL THAT APART.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEEDS OF OUR WATER SUPPLY, WE DON'T
NEED 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
THE REGION IS NOT GOING TO NEED IT FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE REAL PROBLEMS.
IF WE CAN GET DEP TO PROVIDE AN EXTENSION HONESTLY, THEN WE
CAN SIT DOWN AND HAVE AN HONEST DISCUSSION OF WHAT DO WE DO
WITH THIS RESOURCE.
THE MAYOR SAYS IT'S WASTE.
OKAY.
YOU SAY THAT IT'S GOT NUTRIENTS, YES, BUT YOU ALSO SAID IT'S

CLEANER THAN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
SO LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE RIGHT SOLUTIONS ARE AND LET'S BE
HONEST ABOUT THE MARKETING AND NOT SAY THINGS LIKE LET'S
DROUGHT-PROOF TAMPA, OR WHATEVER.
LET'S SAY WE'VE GOT THESE RESOURCES.
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THESE CONSTRAINTS TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THIS?
AND WHAT'S BEST FOR RATEPAYERS?
WHAT'S BEST FOR THE ENVIRONMENT?
I HOPE ALSO IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'LL PUT SOME PARAMETERS
AROUND WHAT THE COMMUNICATION FIRMS CAN DO.
BECAUSE IF WE START SEEING DOCUMENTS AND VIDEOS THAT ARE
SELLING THIS TO THE PUBLIC AND SAYING, OH, LOOK, DRINKING
POTTY WATER IS A GOOD IDEA, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY OFFENSIVE
TO THE PUBLIC.
IT NEEDS TO BE HONEST ENGAGEMENT.
THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS ON THE ALTERNATIVES, THE
ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT ALL-INCLUSIVE AND THEY ARE NOT RIGHT.
THERE'S NO REASON THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD HAVE TO SPEND TWO
TO SIX BILLION DOLLARS ON THIS.
THAT'S YOUR NUMBERS THAT YOUR CONSULTANTS PRESENTED TO US.
LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE WHERE OUR
RATEPAYERS DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING.
IF WE CAN SELL IT TO POLK COUNTY OR TAMPA BAY WATER OR PASCO
COUNTY OR WHOMEVER AND MAKE MONEY ON IT FOR THE NEXT 20, 30

YEARS, WHY WOULDN'T WE DO THAT?
02:46:52 >>WHIT REMER:
WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW,
COUNCILMAN.
THE REASON WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS BECAUSE
THE COUNCIL ASKED US NOT TO DO ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT UNTIL
WE DID AN ANALYSIS ON ALL THE ALTERNATIVES.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO OUT AND DO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON
JUST THE SELECT FEW.
WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE DID ALL OF THEM.
02:47:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE FIRST CONVERSATION AFTER FEBRUARY SHOULD
HAVE BEEN, LOOK, WE DID THE ANALYSIS, HERE THE ALTERNATIVES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES?
I SAW THEM IN THE DOCUMENT A FEW DAYS AGO.
IF YOU GUYS KEEP BLINDSIDING US, WE'LL HAVE CONVERSATIONS
LIKE THIS, LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS OFF-LINE AND TRY TO
WORK COLLABORATIVELY TO GET THIS DONE, WORK WITH THE
COMMUNITY TO GET THINGS DONE.
THANK YOU.
02:47:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY, IT'S NOTHING TO DO, BUT
JUST TO SET THE TONE.
IN 1998, THE CITY OF TAMPA OFFERED TO SELL WATER --
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02:49:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CALL ME WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL ME.
THAT WAS 1998.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.

YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU SEE A SPORT DOCUMENT THIS BIG
AND I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST SPORTS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK ABOUT
SIX PAGES OF WHAT IT SAYS.
IN THOSE SIX PAGES, YOU BETTER HOLD ON TO YOUR STRAPS
BECAUSE YOU WON'T HAVE YOUR PANTS ON WHEN THEY FINISH WITH
YOU.
THAT'S THE SAME THING HAPPENING IN A DIFFERENT AREA,
DIFFERENT TONE IN THE WAY THEY DO IT.
HERE IS A CONTRACT, 2038.
THEY DON'T TELL YOU IN THAT CONTRACT THERE IS ANOTHER THING
THAT SAYS YOU CAN NEVER GET OUT UNLESS THERE'S DEBT.
SO GUESS WHAT, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET OUT.
IF THERE'S DEBT.
SO I HAVE CONSISTENTLY VOTED AGAINST THE BUDGET AND I'VE
DONE IT ONE OR TWO YEARS IN A ROW BECAUSE THAT CONTRACT HAS
TWO ENDINGS.
I WANT WHOEVER PROCEEDS US, ME, ESPECIALLY, THEY HAVE TO
THEN HAVE A LITIGATION MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN 2038 WHEN I'M LONG
GONE AND DRIED LIKE ONE OF THE NUTS FALLING OFF A TREE,
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE AN AVENUE OF SUCCESS OF TALKING ABOUT
SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 30 OR 40 YEARS BEFORE THEY GOT
THERE.
THAT'S ALL I TRY TO DO.
IF YOU ASK ME, DO I BELONG THERE, NONE OF US BELONG THERE

AND ELECTED OFFICIALS SITTING DOWN WITH THE PROS THAT ARE
THE ONES THERE.
WE NEED THE PEOPLE FROM EVERY WATER DISTRICT, THEIR
ENGINEERS AND THEIR PEOPLE WHO KNOW WATER AND EVERYTHING
ELSE TO SIT ON THAT BOARD SO THAT THEY CAN REPORT BACK TO
THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THE ELECTED OFFICIALS DO NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS DO
20, 30 YEARS PRODUCING WATER.
I HATE TO SAY IT, I ADMIT IT.
NOW SOMEBODY ELSE ADMIT THAT'S ON THE BOARD.
02:51:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'D LIKE TO -- TO THE PUBLIC, WE ARE SEVEN
DIFFERENT COUNCIL PEOPLE, AND WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS.
WE HAVE ONE VOTE EACH, AND THE OPINION OF ONE DOES NOT MEAN
THE OPINION OF THIS BODY AS A WHOLE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE NUMBER CM 21-71670, CHIEF
O'CONNOR.
02:51:38 >>MARY O'CONNOR:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
CHIEF MARY O'CONNOR TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT VICTIM
ADVOCACY.
I'M ALSO MET HERE WITH ELLIOT, PATRICIA, AND JAY FROM
VARIOUS COMMUNITY PROGRAMS THAT ALSO REPRESENT THE SUPPORT
OF VICTIM ADVOCACY.
WHEN I SPEAK ABOUT VICTIM ADVOCACY, I DON'T ONLY SPEAK ABOUT
LIVING VICTIMS THAT WERE VICTIMS OF CRIMES.
I ALSO SPEAK ABOUT THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND THE PARENTS AND

LOVED ONES THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE THE ADVOCACY MEANS
JUST AS MUCH TO THE LIVING VICTIMS AS IT DOES TO THESE
FAMILY MEMBERS HERE THAT LOST THEIR CHILDREN TO GUN
VIOLENCE.
WHEN I WAS FIRST APPOINTED AS CHIEF A FEW MONTHS AGO, I
IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WAS A CRITICAL NEED TO BRIDGE THE GAP
BETWEEN POLICE SERVICES AND OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE
AVAILABLE TO VICTIMS.
AS WE ARE ALL VERY WELL AWARE, MENTAL HEALTH IN OUR
COMMUNITY AND WELLNESS FOR ALL IS PARAMOUNT TO OUR SUCCESS
AND SHOULD BE A PRIORITY TO ALL.
HOWEVER, THE PROCESS FOR VICTIMS TO GET SERVICES IS COMPLEX
AND REALLY CAN USE THAT PERSON TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.
THERE IS NO CURRENT PROGRAM AT TPD THAT HAS SPECIFIC FOR
VICTIM ADVOCACY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT.
THE OBVIOUS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM IS BUILT ON
RELATIONSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS.
THAT'S WHY I THINK OUR EMPLOYEE WILL BEGIN WITH LEADING THE
EFFORT IN COORDINATING SERVICES WITH OUR VICTIMS.
THE VICTIM ADVOCATE CAN WORK HAND IN HAND WITH OUR LOCAL AND
FEDERAL PARTNERS.
THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
PART OF VICTIM ADVOCACY I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS
THE EXPLANATION OF WHAT'S NEXT FOR VICTIMS.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MYSTERY SOMETIMES IN THE CRIMINAL

JUSTICE SYSTEM.
I'LL LET THE INDIVIDUALS BEHIND ME SPEAK IN JUST A MOMENT
ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR THEM AS WELL.
BUT THERE'S ALSO EXTERNAL PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN BRIDGE THESE
VICTIMS TO LIKE CLERGY, THE FRANCISCAN CENTER LOCALLY HERE
IN TAMPA DOES A GOOD PROGRAM WHERE THEY DO TRAUMA RECOVERY
FOR VICTIMS AND THEN ALSO GRIEF COUNSELING AND OTHER TYPES
OF SERVICES.
SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PROJECT UP AND
RUNNING.
THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GRAND FUNDING THAT IS COMING
OUT OF WASHINGTON FOR SERVICES SUCH AS THESE.
WE RECENTLY APPLIED FOR A COMMUNITY-BASED VIOLENCE
INTERVENTION AND PREVENTION GRANT.
IT'S A $1.5 MILLION GRANT.
ONLY FIVE POLICE DEPARTMENTS -- SORRY, FIVE CITIES IN THE
UNITED STATES WILL BE GRANTED THE MONEY.
WE WILL KNOW BY OCTOBER 1st.
BUT SOME OF THE MONEY IS EARMARKED FOR VICTIM ADVOCACY
SERVICES AND SUPPORT OF GROUPS LIKE RISE UP FOR PEACE AND
ADVOCATES FOR SAFER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE JOINED HERE WITH ME
TODAY.
IF GIVEN THIS GRANT MONEY THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES A VERY
COMPREHENSIVE BUILDING OF A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE CAN
FOLLOW STEP BY STEP WITH OUR PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE

ARE ACTUALLY ACHIEVING GOALS AND LEADING TOWARDS THE
IMPROVEMENT OF THE VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON
RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WITH A VICTIM ADVOCATE POSITION, WE CAN HAVE SOMEONE
ADVOCATE, IF YOU WILL, TO LOOK FOR THAT TYPE OF FUNDING AND
OBVIOUSLY REACH OUT FOR IT.
WE DO HAVE GRANT WRITERS FOR THE CITY THAT CAN HELP US WITH
THAT.
SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE VICTIM ADVOCATE CAN DO,
LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT BRIDGING THOSE GAPS IS WORKING WITH
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, WHICH DOES HAVE A FUND
SPECIFICALLY AVAILABLE FOR COMPENSATION OF VICTIMS, WHETHER
IT BE RELOCATION EXPENSES OR TRANSPORTATION EXPENSES OR
FUNERAL EXPENSES.
THERE ARE, AGAIN, GRIEF COUNSELING.
THERE'S ASSISTANCE WITH REPLACEMENT OF IMPORTANT PROPERTY OR
PAPERS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LOST IN THE VICTIMIZATION OF THE
CRIMES.
THERE'S A PLETHORA OF PROGRAMS BUT I THINK THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING IS TO KNOW WHERE THAT GAP IS BETWEEN US AND
THE PROGRAMS.
THAT'S WHERE VICTIM ADVOCACY IS SO IMPORTANT.
THE SECOND THING THAT'S ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR THE MOTION WAS
A MONUMENT DEDICATED SPECIFICALLY TO CRIME VICTIMS.

I BROUGHT MY FRIENDS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MONUMENT.
I THINK WHAT WE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE TO DO IS
PARTNER WITH THE GROUPS IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SO
DEDICATED TO VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE TO VISUALIZE AND COME UP
WITH WHAT WE THINK THE MONUMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THEN
TURN IT OVER TO OUR ARTS AND CULTURAL COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH
THEM TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE MONUMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
02:56:04 >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCIL, IF I MAY.
02:56:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:56:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL OF THE WORK INTO
THIS AND WHATNOT.
I SEE A LOT OF MY FRIENDS AND YOUR FRIENDS BEHIND YOU THERE.
I THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOUR EXCELLENT EMPHASIS ON VICTIMS
OF CRIME.
IT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES OF OUR TIME AS WE READ ABOUT
ESCALATING CRIME IN A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITIES, ALL THOSE
CRIMES LEAVE BEHIND A VICTIM WHICH I KNOW IS THE CAUSE OF
YOUR LIFE, THE CAUSE OF THE LIFE OF PEOPLE IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT, AND IT'S BECOME THROUGH TRAGEDY THE CAUSE OF
THE LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STANDING BEHIND YOU THROUGH
PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT.
AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, VICTIMS OF CRIME HAVE GOT TO BE ON OUR
MIND ALWAYS.

THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION.
I KNOW FOR THIS COUNCIL IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DOING.
IT HAS TO BE TRUE IN ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES AND ALL OF
OUR CITIES.
ALL TOO OFTEN PEOPLE IN OUR POSITIONS, I THINK, DON'T OFTEN
TALK ABOUT VICTIMS OF CRIME THE WAY THAT WE SHOULD.
WE MISS THAT ISSUE.
WE MISS THAT ISSUE.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, HOW YOU DEAL WITH A VICTIM OF CRIME, HOW
YOU DEAL WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN BATTERED OR SOMEBODY
WHOSE SON OR DAUGHTER TAKEN FROM THEM, MURDERED, ET CETERA,
THAT IS A SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUE.
THAT IS AN ISSUE OF SOCIAL JUSTICE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE
FOLKS WHO ARE LIVING IN COMMUNITIES BATTERED BY CRIME ARE
LIVING IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OFTEN LEFT BEHIND BY STATES,
BY COUNTRIES, BY CITIES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I ALWAYS SAY THAT THE ISSUE OF VICTIMS OF CRIME IT AFFECTS
ALL OF US.
IT'S ON ALL OF US TO DO OUR PART TO STAND WITH VICTIMS OF
CRIME.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU LIVE IN TAMPA PALMS, HUNTER GREENS,
BAYSHORE, PALMER CEIA, WHEREVER IT MAY BE, IT'S CERTAINLY
SOMETHING ON ALL OF US.
YOU'RE ON THIS, CHIEF, I THANK YOU FOR THIS IS REALLY
TWOFOLD, WHICH IS, NUMBER ONE SOME SORT OF, LIKE YOU SAID, A

MEMORIAL.
I'M HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH
THAT.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT.
NUMBER TWO IS, SOME SORT OF FORMAL VICTIMS OF CRIME PROGRAM
WHICH WOULD BE MULTIFACETED, WHICH IS, NUMBER ONE, LIKE YOU
SAID, TALKING ABOUT THE MONETARY SUPPORT.
WE DO HAVE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS OUT THERE WITH THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE, STATE ATTORNEY AND OTHERS, BUT WHEN THOSE
PROGRAMS CAN'T FIT THE BILL, HAVING A LINE ITEM SET ASIDE TO
BE ABLE TO HELP AND ASSIST FOR THOSE SITUATIONS, FOR THOSE
MORE ACUTE CRIMES, LIKE MR. JOHNSON ALWAYS SAYS, HE SAYS
THAT WHEN A LOVED ONE OF YOUR FAMILY DIES OR LEAVES YOU, THE
RENT IS STILL DUE.
ALSO, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MAYBE IN WORKING WITH THE
FRANCISCAN CENTER OR SOME GROUP LIKE THAT, FOR MENTAL HEALTH
COUNSELING FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME.
SO I THANK YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE STANDING BEHIND YOU FOR
ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR YOUR LIFE'S PASSION ON THIS
ISSUE.
I THANK COUNCIL FOR SUPPORTING THIS.
I'LL BE MAKING THE MOTION AT THE END, IF I MAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:59:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

02:59:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF AND ALL OF
THOSE AROUND THE PROGRAM.
WHEN YOU LISTEN AND HEAR THINGS ON TELEVISION, YOU SEE A
CLOSURE.
THERE REALLY NEVER IS CLOSURE.
THERE IS A FEELING THAT YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING, BUT
CLOSURE DOESN'T SIT THERE.
AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK MANY YEARS AGO, I HAD AN UNCLE THAT
WENT TO DELIVER SOMETHING TO THE POST OFFICE AND HE WAS SHOT
IN THE BACK AND KILLED.
AND THAT SAME NIGHT, THE SAME GUY WHO SHOT HIM, WAS SHOT IN
A BAR.
GOT HIM WITH A SHOTGUN.
DO I UNDERSTAND IT ALL?
NO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORDS AVAILABLE FOR YOURSELVES AND FOR
OTHERS LIKE YOU WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS TRAGEDY.
IT'S NEVER CLOSURE.
IT'S DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
YOU THINK OF WHAT IF, HOW COME, WHY ME?
ALL THOSE THINGS COME TO MIND.
DURING THE LAST -- YOU MUST THINK OF THAT TEN MILLION TIMES
AND ALL OF US WOULD DO THE SAME THING YOU'RE DOING.
THANK YOU FOR HOLDING UP.
I THINK I'VE SEEN ONE OR TWO OF YOU ON TELEVISION AND YOU

LOOK BETTER IN PERSON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE.
03:00:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:00:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
I KNOW THAT FROM THE FIRST PRESENTATION YOU GAVE YOU SAID
ONE OF YOUR GOALS IS TO REDUCE THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE.
YOU'RE WORKING HARD TO DO THAT AND PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT
WE NEED TO BE TO RESOLVE THAT.
I THINK THIS MORNING'S APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACTS WAS ONE
THING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE BEST PEOPLE OUT TO CONTINUE
TO DO THAT.
TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS HERE, WE HEARD SOME OR ALL OF YOUR
STORIES BEFORE.
AS A FATHER, IT BREAKS MY HEART TO HEAR YOUR STORIES.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL COMMITMENT, IF THERE'S
SOMETHING YOU THINK I SHOULD BE DOING TO HELP YOU, PLEASE
CALL ME.
I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU BEFORE BUT CALL ME IF YOU WANT TO
TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO FIX THIS,
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANY OTHER STORIES TO HAVE TO GO
THROUGH WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH.
03:01:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:01:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, FOR
BRINGING THIS UP.

THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR HARD WORK
AND YOUR DEDICATION.
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE OF YOUR SUFFERING.
WHEN WE SAY THERE ARE NO WORDS, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND SO MANY PEOPLE.
AND NO ONE ELSE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS.
I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE ALL WORKING TOGETHER WHERE WE'RE
HERE TO SUPPORT YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S NOT HERE, AND
THEN WE CAN MAKE THIS A COMMUNITY A SAFER PLACE, BUT ALSO
KNOW THAT WE HAVE YOUR BACK AND THAT YOU'RE NOT ALONE AND
THE CITY AND OTHERS ARE HERE FOR YOU.
SO THANK YOU.
03:01:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR THIS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
WHEN A PERSON USES A KNIFE OR A GUN AND TAKES A LIFE, THEY
ARE NOT ONLY RUINING THEIR LIVES BUT THEY ARE AFFECTING SO
MANY OTHER PEOPLE -- FAMILIES, FRIENDS.
HOPEFULLY THE MOTION THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA IS GOING TO MAKE
AND YOUR HELP, CHIEF, AND ALL OF YOUR HELP MAY CONVINCE ONE
PERSON NOT TO PULL OUT THAT GUN OR PULL OUT THAT KNIFE SO
THAT WE CAN SAVE SO MANY MORE PEOPLE.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
03:02:29 >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE, MR. CHAIR.

LET ME -- JUST, I GUESS, A SENSE OF COUNCIL.
A HABIT RETURN BACK TO US IN THE BUDGET, FOR THE MONETARY
SUPPORT PROGRAM THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME
AND THEN FOR A MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM TO BE WORKED WITH
EITHER THE FRANCISCAN CENTER OR AN INSTITUTION LIKE THAT TO
BE PLACED IN THE BUDGET TO THE EXTENT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE
THIS YEAR.
AND, HECK, LET'S HAVE IT COME BACK TO US FOR REVIEW IN
DECEMBER.
03:03:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I'M SORRY.
WHAT DATE WOULD YOU LIKE THAT, COUNCILMAN VIERA?
03:03:21 >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND WEEK IN DECEMBER, IF THAT'S FINE.
03:03:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DECEMBER 15.
03:03:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DECEMBER 15.
03:03:27 >>LUIS VIERA:
SOUNDS GOOD.
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.
03:03:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REGULAR SESSION.
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

03:03:41 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
03:03:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE CM 21-71673.
03:04:05 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BRENDA McKENZIE.
I AM THE DIRECTOR OF WORKFORCE PARTNERSHIPS HERE AT THE
CITY.
APPRENTICESHIPS ARE JUST A PROVEN WAY OF A PATH FORWARD.
IT IS A PROVEN PATH FORWARD.
IT'S HONESTLY BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE AS PART OF THE
IMPLEMENTATION TEAM FOR THIS ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE ENCOURAGES PARTICIPATION IN STATE REGISTERED
PROGRAMS.
THE BENEFIT OF STATE REGISTERED PROGRAMS ARE TWOFOLD.
ONE, IT ENSURES THAT WE HAVE THE TALENT THAT WE NEED,
TRAINED AND READY TO GO.
TWO, IT ALSO PROVIDES ECONOMIC MOBILITY FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL,
WHICH IS KEY.
THE STATE OF FLORIDA VETS THE PROGRAMS TO MAKE SURE THEY
MEET INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND THAT THE INDIVIDUALS ARE READY
TO GO FORWARD DAY ONE.
IMPLEMENTING THE ORDINANCE, OUR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING
CLOSELY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND THEIR DIRECTOR,
KATHLEEN WHEELER, AS WELL AS THE REGIONAL COORDINATORS.

THE STATE HAS BEEN HELPFUL IN SHARING INFORMATION ON
EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT ARE HERE AND ALSO OFFERING TO HELP
INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES THAT WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS TO FIT THEIR SPECIAL NEEDS.
THE CITY HAS MADE THESE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC
BOTH FOR INDIVIDUALS LOOKING TO PARTICIPATE IN
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS AND ALSO THE COMPANIES WANTING TO
KNOW WHAT APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE.
AND THOSE ARE AVAILABLE ON THE TAMPA WORKS, TPAWRX, WEBSITE.
THE CITY CENTER AT HANNA IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO FALL UNDER
THIS ORDINANCE.
PER THE ORDINANCE, 12 PERCENT OF THE LABOR HOURS HAVE TO GO
TOWARDS APPRENTICESHIPS.
THERE IS A NUANCE TO THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, AS YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE IT'S YOUR ORDINANCE, THAT THOSE HOURS -- THE
DENOMINATOR TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION WHERE ACTUAL
APPRENTICESHIPS EXIST AND THERE ARE SOME NUANCES IN THAT.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE STATE AND THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE DENOMINATOR WERE SET ON THEIR METHODOLOGY
SO WHEN WE PRESENT THE NUMBERS TO YOU WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT
IT'S REALLY MEETING THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING JOINTLY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE TEAM AND
THE DEVELOPER AND THE CONTRACTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
COMPLIANT WITH OUR SUBMISSION AND WE'RE CURRENTLY REFINING
NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DENOMINATOR IS EXPLAINABLE

AND UNDERSTANDABLE BOTH TO US AND THEN TO YOU.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THESE RESOLVED WITHIN THE
NEXT WEEK TO TEN DAYS.
I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT NEXT WEEK BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION
WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN OWNER'S REP FOR THIS
PROJECT, THAT OWNER'S REP WILL INCLUDE BOTH CONSTRUCTION
MANAGEMENT, REVIEW OF EBO AND THE APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE
COMPLIANCE AS WELL.
THE ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO DEVELOP OPPORTUNITIES TO
RAISE AWARENESS THROUGH FAIRS, FOCUS GROUPS, WORKING WITH
EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS KNOW
THE BENEFITS OF PARTICIPATING IN THESE PROGRAMS.
WITH ME TODAY IS BRANDON FACINI WHO IS WITH DPR CONSTRUCTION
IN CASE YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THEIR EFFORTS WITH
APPRENTICESHIPS.
03:07:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HANG ON ONE SECOND, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WILL SPEAK AND THEN I'LL GO TO YOU
FIRST BECAUSE YOU ARE THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
03:07:46 >> I'M BRANDON FACINI WITH DPR CONSTRUCTION, AND I REPRESENT
THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
I'M HERE TO REPRESENT OUR CLIENT, WHICH IS THE CITY OF TAMPA
AND BRENDA McKENZIE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE APPRENTICESHIP, I
WOULD GLADLY GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AVAILABLE AT
THE TIME.

03:08:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU ARE THE MAKER OF THE
MOTION, I'LL GO TO YOU FIRST.
03:08:08 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
I MADE THIS MOTION, I RECALL, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THIS
APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE IS GOING TO BE DOING IN THIS
PROJECT.
THIS LARGE PROJECT IS REALLY THE FIRST DEMONSTRATION OF THIS
APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE WHICH I KNOW WE'RE ALL VERY, VERY
PROUD OF.
IT DOES A LOT TO PRODUCE A PATHWAY TO THE MIDDLE CLASS FOR A
LOT OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THIS
IS CERTAINLY GOING TO BE ONE OF THEM.
BUT AS WAS INDICATED BEFORE, ALL APPRENTICESHIPS AND ALL
PROGRAMS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM HAVE GOT TO BE
STATE-CERTIFIED APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE BEST QUALITY, THAT IT'S SANCTIONED
AND APPROVED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND THAT IS APPARENTLY
WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE ACCORDING TO WHAT I'M HEARING.
THAT'S IT AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:09:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:09:08 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN MAKING AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, WHAT
TYPES OF THINGS ARE REQUIRED OF AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM?
CAN ANYONE JUST KIND OF SLAP ONE TOGETHER OR -- NO, I'M JUST

ASKING.
ARE THERE REGULATIONS?
ARE THERE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS?
03:09:22 >> THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNCIL CHOSE
STATE-APPROVED PROGRAMS, THEY FOLLOW DOL FEDERAL STANDARDS
IN TERMS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL CURRICULUM.
AND IT REALLY IS RIGOROUS.
IT'S NOT LIKE A THREE-MONTH PROGRAM AND YOU'RE OUT.
THESE ARE TWO-, THREE-YEAR SUCCESSIVE PROGRAMS THAT AT THE
END OF THE PROGRAM, THE INDIVIDUAL WILL HAVE ON-THE-JOB
TRAINING, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT, AS WELL AS CLASSROOM HOURS,
WHICH A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE IS A
CLASSROOM COMPONENT TO THIS, SO THAT WHEN THEY ARE FINISHED,
THEY ARE ABLE TO WORK ON ANY CONSTRUCTION SITE.
THEY ARE CERTIFIED.
PEOPLE CAN TRUST THAT THE TRAINING IS SOUND AND THEY ARE
REALLY READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT'S TRULY A PATHWAY TO THE MIDDLE CLASS THAT DOESN'T
REQUIRE COLLEGE.
03:10:06 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR THE CONTRACTOR IS, IF
IT TAKES TWO TO THREE YEARS, SO YOU GUARANTEE EMPLOYMENT FOR
THE APPRENTICE FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS.
03:10:17 >> I WOULDN'T SAY WE NECESSARILY GUARANTEE EMPLOYMENT, BUT
THE PROGRAM IS ESTABLISHED TO BE A TWO-TO-THREE-YEAR
PROGRAM.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BASED OFF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE EMPLOYEE.
WE HIRE ON THAT PARTICULAR PERSON IN SOME CASES FOR OUR
PARTICULAR APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT
ALREADY WORKED FOR US A COUPLE OF YEARS.
IT IS THE INTENT THAT THEY STAY ON FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS
AND COMPLETE THAT PROGRAM.
BUT IN THEORY THAT NECESSARILY MIGHT NOT WORK OUT EVERY
TIME, BUT IT'S OUR GOAL TO SUPPORT AND UPLIFT THAT EMPLOYEE
TO COMPLETE A TWO- TO THREE-YEAR PROGRAM.
03:10:55 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ARE THE AVERAGE WAGES THAT YOU GIVE TO
THESE APPRENTICES?
03:11:01 >> THE WAGES DEPEND.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT A GREAT ANSWER, BUT JUST INDUSTRY
STANDARD, A LOT OF THE APPRENTICES ARE ENTRY LEVEL.
SO IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, PROBABLY WELL BEYOND THE
MINIMUM WAGE JUST GIVEN THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THAT'S IN THE
INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT TRADE THEY ARE, IF THEY ARE
A CARPENTER, IF THEY ARE A PIPE FITTER.
IF THEY ARE A STEEL WORKER, SO IT DOES VARY.
03:11:36 >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO YOU SAID YOU'RE COMING BACK TO US NEXT WEEK AND YOU'LL
HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION.
THE INFORMATION I'M LOOKING FOR IS THE AMOUNT -- THE AVERAGE
WAGES FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS FOR

THIS PROJECT.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN EACH PROGRAM, AND I
REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW LONG THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN THE
PROGRAM WORKING FOR THAT PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR.
I'M STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS.
WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE HANNA PROJECT.
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER A YEAR IF THE HANNA PROJECT IS DONE, HOW
DO THOSE PEOPLE GET THEN THE REST OF THEIR EDUCATION?
03:12:22 >> THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT WE'RE USING THE LIST FOR
STATE-APPROVED PROGRAMS.
USUALLY AN ENTITY THAT CAN PROVIDE CONNECTIONS -- THEY ARE A
PROVIDER OF LABOR AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRAIN THAT LABOR TO
DO THAT WORK.
SO IN THIS CASE, DPR IS SELF-PERFORMING FOR SOME.
THEY ARE SAYING I'M CONNECTING WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL.
HIRING THIS INDIVIDUAL.
THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EARN AND LEARN OVER THIS
PERIOD AND CONTINUE WITH US.
IDEALLY WHEN THEY FINISH THE HANNA JOB THAT'S GO ON TO THE
NEXT PROJECT.
03:12:52 >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD HOPE, TOO.
I'M JUST, AGAIN, CURIOUS HOW OFTEN THAT HAPPENS.
JUST A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
THANK YOU.
03:13:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

03:13:04 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A QUESTION FOR EACH OF YOU MAYBE.
THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, STATE APPROVAL
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE RUN BY UNIONS OR INVOLVE COMPANIES
CONNECTED TO UNIONS AND SOME OF THEM ARE NONUNION COMPANIES
THAT HAVE CERTIFICATION.
A QUESTION WE OFTEN GET IS CAN WE PROVIDE PREFERENCE TO ONE
OR THE OTHER?
I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
BUT MAYBE EACH OF YOU COULD SIMPLY ANSWER LIKE HOW WOULD YOU
MAKE A DECISION BETWEEN A UNION SUBCONTRACTOR AND A NONUNION
SUBCONTRACTOR?
ANY PROS AND CONS OF THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS?
03:13:42 >> AS IT RELATES TO THE APPRENTICE, WE ARE AGNOSTIC.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR ORGANIZATIONS TO INVEST IN INDIVIDUALS
AND DO THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PROGRAM SO WHEN THAT
INDIVIDUAL LEAVES THEY REALLY DO HAVE A CAREER TRAJECTORY
THAT WILL LEAD THEM TO THE NEXT STEP.
WHETHER UNION OR NONUNION, THERE ARE VIABLE PROGRAMS THAT
COVER BOTH AND WE'RE JUST BASED ON THE ORDINANCE, THE
CONTRACTOR MUST USE THOSE.
03:14:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
ANY --
03:14:12 >> I WOULD ECHO THE SAME.
WE DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT THE
UNIONS DO HAVE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE,

SO IT'S VERY EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO TAP INTO LIKE CERTIFIED
AND TRIED AND TRUE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS WHICH IS
DEFINITELY A PLUS.
SOME OF THE NONUNION SHOPS, THIS IS NEWER FOR THEM, AND THEY
HAVE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS AND SOME OF THEM AREN'T STATE
APPROVED.
AND THERE ARE A FEW THAT ACTUALLY HAVE STATE APPROVED.
IS THAT A PLUS IN COMPLYING WITH THE APPRENTICESHIP
ORDINANCE?
IT IS.
BUT WE ALSO CONSIDER THE QUALIFICATIONS AND GENERAL
COMPETITIVENESS OF THE CONTRACTOR AS WELL.
03:14:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
03:15:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN VIERA?
03:15:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
NO, NOTHING.
I DID WANT TO SAY THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR POINTS WHEN I
WAS WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND THE LABOR ORGANIZATIONS
AND TALKING ABOUT THIS.
BEFORE OUR GOOD FRIENDS, ANDREA ZELMAN WHO DID A GREAT JOB
AND OTHERS IN WRITING THIS ORDINANCE WAS TO MAKE SURE THIS
APPLIES TO STATE CERTIFIED ONLY, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME
RIGHT, ST. PETERSBURG DID NOT MANDATE STATE CERTIFIED.
SO THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN.

WANTED TO MAKE SURE ALL PROGRAMS THAT WERE SUBJECT TO THIS
ORDINANCE WOULD BE OF THE HIGHEST CALIBER AND STATE
CERTIFIED, OBVIOUSLY, APPROVES OF THAT.
THAT'S IT.
SO NOTHING FURTHER AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:15:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 E-2022-8 CHAPTER 19 AND 26.
03:16:17 >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
I SUBMITTED A MEMO REGARDING THE LITTERING FINES.
THE REQUEST WAS TO INVESTIGATE RAISING THE FINES TO $500, TO
A $500 VIOLATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:16:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE REPORT.
I LOOKED IT OVER.
I SPOKE WITH ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS, AND THE NUMBER $450 WAS
WHAT I SAW AND WAS PROMINENT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT COME OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS JUST
TO COUNCIL BUT THEN I HAVE SO MANY THAT CONTACT MY OFFICE.
I'VE GONE ON THE RIVER WITH OTHERS.
I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE LITTER THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE
CITY.
WEST FAMILIAR, EAST TAMPA, SOUTH TAMPA, PEOPLE ARE VERY
RECKLESS IN HOW THEY THROW STUFF OUT THE WINDOW OR DROP IT

WHEREVER THEY SEE FIT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THE OFFENDERS
OR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO REGARD FOR PUTTING THE TRASH IN
THE PROPER PLACE, THEY DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY KIND OF
ENFORCEMENT.
THEY FIGURE POLICE ONLY GIVE OUT SPEEDING TICKETS.
THEY DON'T GIVE OUT LITTERING TICKETS OR CODE ENFORCEMENT,
IT'S NOT IN THEIR PURVIEW AND NOT PART OF THEIR JOB TO DO
THIS.
BUT FROM WHAT I SEE ON THE BOOKS AND READING YOUR MEMO,
$450.
AND I KNOW THERE COULD BE A MISCONCEPTION OF WE'RE TARGETING
A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC OR A GROUP BUT WE CAN SAY THAT FOR
SPEEDING TICKETS OR RED LIGHT TICKETS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
WE HAVE THOSE TYPES OF ENFORCEMENT FOR THOSE OTHER AVENUES.
AND LITTER IS A PROBLEM, HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME.
WE SEE WHAT GOES INTO OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, GETS THROWN OUT
INTO THE RIVER.
I WENT KAYAKING RECENTLY WITH SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY WANTED
ME TO SEE FIRSTHAND.
THEY KAYAK, YOU CAN EASILY PICK UP TRASH AND SEE WHAT IS
PICKED UP ON A REGULAR BASIS.
IT'S AMAZING WHAT ENDS UP IN OUR WATERWAY.
I WANT AND I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR HAS
WANTED TO BE TOUGH ON LITTERING.

WE DID CHRISTEN THE LITTERING BOAT MOST RECENTLY, WHICH WAS
A WORTHY INVESTMENT.
AND WE SEE THE POSITIVE RESPONSE AND WORK THAT THAT BOAT
HAS, AND THE AMOUNT OF TRASH IT'S PICKED UP.
I THINK THIS WOULD JUST PIGGYBACK AND STRENGTHEN MORE THE
MAYOR'S VISION AND I THINK PERHAPS WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE
TO DO AND SEND THE MESSAGE THAT WE'RE TOUGH ON TRASH, TOUGH
ON LITTERING.
WE TALKED ABOUT -- OBVIOUSLY, WE TALK ABOUT WATER A LOT, BUT
I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR WATERWAYS ARE CLEAN.
OUR STORM DRAINS ARE CLEAN, OUR STREETS ARE CLEAN.
IT'S A BAD LOOK.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IF I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION, IS
THAT WE SET FIRST OFFENSE LITTERING FINES AT $450.
IN ORDER TO SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE
TAKE THIS VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE BEFORE I CONTINUE WITH THE MOTION.
03:19:34 >>OCEA WYNN:
YOU CAN CONTINUE, PLEASE.
03:19:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE.
I KNOW SPEEDING TICKETS ARE AROUND $200 AND UP.
I KNOW RED LIGHT CAMERA TICKETS ARE EXPENSIVE.
PERHAPS THIS IS THE KIND OF MESSAGE WE NEED TO SEND, WE TAKE
THIS SERIOUSLY.

I'VE REQUESTED MORE SIGNS FOR VISIBILITY.
I KNOW THERE ARE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS FOR THAT AND WHATNOT.
AT LEAST IF WE CAN USE WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS AT $450
AND IF WE HAVE TO SHIFT IT OVER OR APPLY THAT TO CODE
ENFORCEMENT AND POLICE OFFICERS WHERE THEY HAVE -- IT'S
WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.
IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER IF THEY DON'T WANT
TO ISSUE A WARNING OR SAY, HEY, GIVE THE TICKET FLAT OUT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING EGREGIOUS.
NOT SOMEBODY THROWS A NAPKIN OUT THE WINDOW, DON'T HIT THEM
FOR 450 BUCKS.
IF SOMEBODY IS SEEN WITNESSED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT OR POLICE
DUMPING WHATEVER, SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT OUT THE WINDOW THAT
THEY SHOULD BE HIT WITH THIS TYPE OF FINE, BEING THAT THE
450 WAS ALREADY THERE IN THE CODE.
YES, MA'AM.
03:20:38 >> SIMONE SAVINO, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
I'M STANDING UP TO JOIN OCEA TO JUST REEMPHASIZE WE DO HAVE
SECTION 19-53 ON OUR BOOKS AS A FIRST AND EVERY OFFENSE IT'S
$450.
SO IT DOES EXIST AND IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
WE HEAR YOU.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD
CAN ENFORCE.
03:21:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR A MOTION.

IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO SUGGEST THAT POLICE AND CODE
ENFORCEMENT BETTER MONITOR OR NOT MONITOR, BUT IF THEY
WITNESS PEOPLE CAUSING THESE OFFENSES THAT THEY KNOW IT'S
WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION AND THEIR DISCRETION THAT THEY CAN
ISSUE A $450 TICKET.
03:21:25 >> YES, SIR.
03:21:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S ON THE BOOKS AND THERE'S NO NEED
FOR ANYTHING FURTHER LEGALLY BECAUSE THAT'S IT.
CHIEF BENNETT, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
CAN A MEMO GO OUT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD TO SAY, HEY,
IF YOU SEE PEOPLE, AS A POLICE OFFICER SITTING IN A CAR
WRITING A REPORT AND THEY WITNESS SOMEBODY BEING RIDICULOUS
THROWING SOMETHING MAJOR OUT, WHERE IT'S A PROBLEM.
03:21:50 >>JOHN BENNETT:
UNDERSTOOD.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
JUST WANTED TO SUPPLY A COMMENT THAT I KNOW COUNCILMAN GUDES
AND I ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
IT IS CALLED A LEGAL BULLETIN.
I SEE MEGAN IN PLACE, AND I'M SURE HER WHEELS ARE TURNING ON
THIS.
A LOT OF TIMES WE PROMPT THE OFFICERS, WHETHER IT BE CODE
AND TRANSLATED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, TO USE THOSE LEGAL
BULLETINS AS A CALL TO ACTION.
I'M CERTAIN THAT CHIEF O'CONNOR AND MEGAN'S OFFICE AT PD
WILL PUT THE TRAINING OUT AND MAKE SURE IT IS AT THE TOP OF

THE LIST.
WE KNOW ABOUT THE PRIORITIES COMING THROUGH COUNCIL AND THE
MAYOR ALSO WANTS THIS AS A PRIORITY.
I THINK IT'S ON THE BOOKS.
WE JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT MORE ACTIONABLE.
03:22:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS A SIMPLE FIX TO SOMETHING THAT'S
ALREADY IN PLACE AND IT'S JUST A COMMUNICATION.
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:22:33 >> YES.
03:22:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:22:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE -- COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE LITTERING AND YOU HAVE ILLEGAL DUMPING.
TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
LITTERING AND ILLEGAL DUMPING.
ILLEGAL DUMPING, THAT'S CRIMINAL AND THAT COMES WITH ARREST
AND FINES.
LITTERING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, BEING A FORMER POLICE OR RETIRED
POLICE OFFICER, HAVING POLICE OFFICERS START GIVING TICKETS
TO LITTERING, I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE A PROBLEM.
I CAN SEE A WARNING, OUT THERE ISSUING TICKETS, I KNOW HOW
COPS ARE AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SOME SUPERVISORS SAYING I'M
NOT -- I WOULD BE CAREFUL SAYING GO OUT AND START ISSUING
TICKETS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT WARNINGS.

I KNOW HOW COMMUNITIES ARE.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LITTERING, I'VE BEEN IN A POLICE CAR AND
SEEN PEOPLE THROW SOMETHING OUT OF THE CAR.
I PULL THEM OVER, HEY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THROW THAT IN
YOUR COMMUNITY, WHY PUT IT OVER HERE.
PEOPLE GET THE GIST OF IT.
MAY NOT BE A WARNING TICKET GIVEN.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A DISCRETIONARY THING.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ILLEGAL DUMPING, IT'S A LITTLE
DIFFERENT.
DUMPING A BUNCH OF TRASH IN THE ALLEYWAY.
SHOULD BE TAKING IT TO THE DUMP.
LITERALLY SOMEBODY ELSE WHO YOU DID THAT JOB FOR ALREADY
PAID YOU FOR THAT AND YOU CHARGE THEM FOR THAT, NOW THEY
TAKE THAT EXTRA CASH AND DUMP IT IN THE ALLEYWAY OR BEHIND
OLD CHURCHES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M ALL FOR MAKING SURE WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
BUT I JUST THINK IT HAS TO BE A WARNING LEVEL SYSTEM AND NOT
JUST AGGRESSIVELY SAYING WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND DO A LOT OF
WARNINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE POLICE.
THAT COULD TURN BAD, I THINK.
JUST MY OPINION.
I SUPPORT YOU BUT I THINK THAT COULD TURN BACKWARD.
03:24:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

03:24:49 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WONDER, FIRST OF ALL, LITTERING IS
BAD IN THE CITIES THAT MONITOR AND KEEP LITTERING FROM
HAPPENING I THINK ARE SOME OF THE BEST RUN CITIES.
I WANT TO ASK SPECIFICALLY, IS THERE ANY SPECIAL FINE FOR
THROWING CIGARETTES OUT THE DOOR?
FEW YEARS AGO I WAS AT A STOPLIGHT AND SAW A PRIUS IN FRONT
OF ME, PRESUMABLY SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT,
ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN AND THROW A LIT CIGARETTE OUT THE
WINDOW.
ESPECIALLY DURING THE DROUGHTS, YOU HAVE ALL THE DRY STUFF
AND YOU THROW A LIT CIGARETTE OUT, SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD
BE HIGHER FINES FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC HAZARD OF IT.
03:25:32 >> SIMONE SAVINO, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
I'M UNAWARE OFF AN ORDINANCE THAT COVERS A LIT CIGARETTE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN FLORIDA STATUTES DOESN'T SPEAK TO IT.
I'M JUST UNAWARE OF ANYTHING CURRENTLY WITH THE CITY.
03:25:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
03:25:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:25:48 >>LYNN HURTAK:
MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT WE START WITH A
COUPLE-MONTH PROGRAM OF WARNINGS?
I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD COME BACK IN TWO
MONTHS WITH SOME DATA SAYING, HEY, WE PULLED THIS MANY
PEOPLE OVER AND WARNED THEM ABOUT IT BECAUSE -- AND -- AND
IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, YOU NEED A PUBLIC RELATIONS
CAMPAIGN BECAUSE IF YOU START HANDING PEOPLE TICKETS, THEY

ARE GOING TO BE REALLY ANGRY BECAUSE THERE WAS NO -- I MEAN,
WHILE IT MAY BE ON THE BOOKS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T
FOCUSED ON.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE NEED TO COUPLE THIS WITH EDUCATION AND FOCUS.
IF WE DON'T COUPLE IT WITH EDUCATION, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO
HAVE A BUNCH OF REALLY ANGRY PEOPLE WHO ARE THEN GOING TO
LITTER OUT OF SPITE.
SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE A MORE STAIR-STEP PATTERN HERE
WITH LET'S START WITH SOME WARNINGS AND LET'S START WITH
SOME MORE SIGNAGE.
LET'S START WITH A PR CAMPAIGN THAT GETS PEOPLE OUT, MAYBE
ENCOURAGING TRASH PICKUP AMONG THE COMMUNITY, BUT DEFINITELY
SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WE TALK ABOUT PR, THIS IS WHERE USING THE CITY'S PR, HIRING
A PR FIRM THAT HAS SPECIALIZED IN THIS, THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT I COULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT, BUT WE NEED TO
DEFINITELY STAIR-STEP IT UP.
03:27:20 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, MA'AM.
SO WHEN WE DO IMPLEMENT A NEW PROGRAM SUCH AS THIS, WE GO
THROUGH EDUCATION AND AWARENESS, A TIME PERIOD FOR THAT.
THEN WE GO INTO THE WARNINGS, AND THEN WE GO INTO THE ACTUAL
ENFORCEMENT PIECE.
WE DON'T JUST START HEAVY HANDED WITH WRITING A CITATION.
SO, YES.

03:27:40 >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IS THERE A PROGRAM IN PLACE OR IS THAT
SOMETHING.
03:27:46 >>OCEA WYNN:
NO.
WHENEVER WE DO NEW PROGRAMS, WHEN I WAS IN THE PARKING
DIVISION AND DO SOMETHING NEW, THAT WAS THE PROCESS INSTEAD
OF JUST PUTTING UP A SIGN, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO WRITE A
CITATION.
03:27:56 >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE TO START A PROGRAM
LIKE THIS?
03:28:00 >>OCEA WYNN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.
I DON'T WANT TO OVERCOMMIT --
03:28:06 >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST, IF YOU WERE GOING TO GUESS.
LIKE WHEN YOU DID PARKING ONES, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO YOU
PUT IT TOGETHER, SIX MONTHS?
03:28:14 >>OCEA WYNN:
PUTTING IT TOGETHER IS ONE THING, JUST GETTING
STAFF TO PUT IT TOGETHER, HOWEVER WHEN WE DID THE WARNINGS,
THE EDUCATION WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS, AND THEN THE
WARNINGS WAS ABOUT A TWO-WEEK PROCESS AS WELL BEFORE WE
STARTED WRITING THE TICKETS.
THE VIOLATIONS.
03:28:31 >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT PLANNING FOR THAT?
HOW MUCH PLANNING DID IT TAKE?
03:28:35 >>OCEA WYNN:
WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE THE PLANNING DONE IN THE
MATTER OF TWO WEEKS.
03:28:39 >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.

03:28:42 >>OCEA WYNN:
IF I COULD COME BACK.
MAYBE GIVE US SOME TIME, MAYBE SIX WEEKS OR SO TO COME BACK
FROM PLANNING TO IMPLEMENTATION, WARNING, ALL OF THAT, ABOUT
TWO MONTHS, THAT WILL GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO COLLECT SOME
SUBSTANTIAL DATA.
03:28:58 >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, IS IT OKAY IF I MAKE
THE MOTION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION SINCE --
03:29:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND IT IF YOU WANT.
03:29:07 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COME BACK SEPTEMBER 15
WITH A PLAN SO WE REALLY CAN GET GOING ON THE TRASH PROBLEM.
03:29:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:29:16 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, MA'AM.
03:29:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:29:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'VE BEEN LISTENING, READING SOMETHING
ELSE, MAKE SURE THAT YOU IDENTIFY WHAT YOU WANT.
YOU HAVE TO SAY WHY.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AN ATTORNEY.
03:29:32 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE IT.
I'M STILL LEARNING.
I ALWAYS APPRECIATE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE A LITTERING -- TO CREATE A LITTERING
PROGRAM TO STOP PEOPLE --
03:29:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANTILITTERING.
03:29:45 >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANTI, I'M SORRY.
ANTILITTERING PROGRAM TO HELP KEEP THE CITY CLEANER AND,

YEAH, TO BASICALLY COME FORWARD TO US WITH A PLAN FOR HOW WE
CAN START IMPLEMENTING THIS AND ENCOURAGING THE CITY TO BE A
CLEANER PLACE.
03:30:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
JUST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
IN THE MEANTIME, CAN WE ISSUE --
03:30:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE'LL BE VOTING ON YOUR AMENDMENT.
03:30:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF WE COULD ISSUE WARNINGS IN THE
MEANTIME AND GET THE BALL ROLLING, NOT TICKETS, BUT
WARNINGS.
03:30:29 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACCEPT THAT.
THAT IS A GOOD AMENDMENT.
03:30:35 >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WILL SAY THAT IN SOME OF OUR STAFF
MEETINGS, THE MAYOR MADE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR, EDUCATION FIRST,
WARNING SECOND, CITATIONS AS NECESSARY, AND I WILL SAY THAT
OVER THE YEARS -- I TRIED TO DO THIS BACK IN THE MID
2000s, LIKE 2008, AND THE SYSTEMS, THE PLATFORMS DIDN'T
HANDLE IT.
BUT NOW WE HAVE A ROBUST WARNING TRACKING SYSTEM.
SO I FEEL LIKE THE LEGAL BULLETIN THAT TPD WILL WORK WITH
CITY LEGAL TO GET OUT WILL HAVE THAT CALL TO ACTION IN THAT
ORDER, EDUCATION, WARNING, AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN
GUDES.
WE WANT TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR IN THE EASIEST WAY POSSIBLE FOR
THE COMMUNITY.

IT STARTS WITH EDUCATION, AND I'M SURE WE'LL GET OUT SOME
VIGNETTES AND VIDEOS AND ACTUALLY DO SOME SCENARIOS FOR THE
PUBLIC TO SEE THAT THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE FIRST.
THOSE TWO THINGS CAN RUN CONCURRENTLY -- THE WARNING PROCESS
AND THE EDUCATION PROCESS.
BUT I AGREE WITH MS. WYNN.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT PRETTY QUICK AND THEN BE ABLE
TO BRING SOME STATS BACK AND SOME OF THE PROGRAMMATIC PIECES
BY SEPTEMBER.
AND THEN WE'VE ASKED TO PROBABLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PUBLIC
SAFETY WORKSHOP PLACEMENTS, ONE IN MAY AND ONE MAYBE IN
NOVEMBER, AND USE THOSE TO SYNC UP SOME OF THE INITIATIVES
COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR IN A PUBLIC SAFETY SPACE.
AND THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE.
03:31:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:31:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JUST AS A FINAL NOTE, MOST OF THE PEOPLE
THAT LITTER ARE YOUR WALKERS.

AND KIDS WALKING.
YOU KNOW, MY THING IS, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE TRASH
RECEPTACLES, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT SOME AREAS, OR SOME OF
THESE STORES HAVING TRASH CANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE FORMER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER SHAMBURGER HAD
CALLED ME EARLIER AND SHE SAID, KIDS ARE WALKING, AND GET
TRASH CANS IN THE AREA ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S A

LOT OF TRAFFIC.
03:32:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT POINT WHEN I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY.
WE CAN'T -- IT'S TOUGH TO MAKE GOOD LAWS FOR BAD THINGS THAT
PEOPLE DO.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES
SAID.
SOME OF THE AREAS THAT I DRIVE AROUND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
WHERE THERE IS THE MOST GARBAGE ON THE STREETS, THERE IS NO
TRASH RECEPTACLE.
SO MAYBE IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PUT
TRASH RECEPTACLES AT THOSE PLACES.
I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO CARRY A BAG OR SOMETHING THAT HAS FOOD
WHEN AFTER YOU HAVE EATEN IT, GO SIX BLOCKS WITHOUT A
GARBAGE CAN.
SO WE CAN HELP.
I ALSO HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
I PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE WITH MYSELF ALL THE TIME.
WHO ENFORCES THESE VIOLATIONS? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY
DOESN'T PAY THESE VIOLATIONS?
LIKE TRAFFIC TICKETS.
NOW WE ARE SEEING, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAY THEIR TRAFFIC
TICKET, THEIR LICENSE GETS SUSPENDED, THEY CAN'T GET TO
WORK, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC TICKET?
JUST A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THAT I PLAY BY MYSELF.

03:34:03 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
SO EITHER CIVIL CITATIONS, IN OUR CODE, 23-25-5, SO THE
TABLE 23-25 LEAVES OUT FOUR SECTIONS FOR VIOLATIONS.
1953 THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A CATEGORY 4
VIOLATION.
A HIGH FINE OF $450. IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAY THAT, IT WILL
GO TO THE COUNTY COURT, AND IT WILL BE BASICALLY LIKE --
SIMILAR TO A PARKING TICKET.
YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND CONTEST IT OR YOU CAN GO DOWN
THERE AND PAY IT AS WELL.
SO EITHER THEY ARE SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A PARKING TICKET,
BUT THEY ARE ENFORCED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THEY ARE ALSO ENFORCED BY TPD.
03:34:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION MADE BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
HE AMENDED THE MOTION.
ONCE HE AMENDS THE MOTION THEN THE AMENDMENT TAGS OVER AS
THE MOTION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
ENDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
CORRECT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.

FILE CM 22-75491.
03:35:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I JUST SET THIS UP? I JUST WANTED TO
SAY, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE COULD SAY ON THIS TOPIC, AND
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A SECOND WHY WE CAN STAY ON THIS
TOPIC.
WE HAVE ALL BEEN BRIEFED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY
ADVISED TO US NARROW THE CONVERSATION FOR THE SAKE OF
PROTECTION OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL SAY WHAT THEY CAN, AND THEN IF
ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF
THIS, PLEASE CALL US.
THANK YOU.
03:36:13 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
03:36:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:36:19 >>LUIS VIERA:
I ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MR. JOE
PERVASTO WAS HERE TO SPEAK.
03:36:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND I AM GOING TO ASK HIM TO SPEAK AFTER
THE PRESENTATION.
03:36:31 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU.
03:36:32 >> MEGAN NEWSOME, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, HERE TO ADDRESS
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9 ALONG WITH CAPTAIN BRAD BEALLY FROM THE
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION.
WE DID PROVIDE A MEMORANDUM TO COUNCIL THAT LAID OUT WHAT

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DOING IN RESPONSE TO THE
ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WE ARE
AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY
OF THOSE ISSUES.
03:37:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO IN REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC,
ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS, OTHER EVENTS HAVE TAKEN PLACE AND
WHATNOT.
I'M CATHOLIC BUT MY WIFE IS JEWISH, MY TWO STEPDAUGHTERS ARE
RAISED IN THE JEWISH FAITH, SOME OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS ARE
JEWISH, SOME OF MY FAMILY'S CLOSEST FRIENDS ARE JEWISH.
I HEARD FROM FRIENDS OF MINE IN EUROPE OVER THE WEEKEND OF
WHAT'S GOING ON IN TAMPA.
AND THAT'S HOW I HEARD OF MORE RECENT THINGS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I TAKE VERY PERSONALLY BECAUSE THE
PEOPLE THAT I LOVE AND CARE ABOUT THE MOST ARE JEWISH, AND I
WANT THEM TO LIVE IN A STATE, CITY, I WANT THEM TO FEEL
SAFE, MY NOW FAMILY, BECAUSE I RECENTLY GOT MARRIED, AND I
TAKE THIS VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.
I KNOW THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IS VERY STRONG.
HISTORICALLY THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COMMUNITY IS BUILT WITH
THE HELP OF SO MANY PEOPLE AND MANY IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
SO WHATEVER TPD IS DOING, WHATEVER WAY WE CAN ASSIST, I KNOW
WE HAVE TO LIMIT OUR COMMENTS AND WHATNOT, AND WE CAN SPEAK
OFFLINE, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND I APPRECIATE
COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION TO BRING THIS UP.

THANK YOU.
03:38:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES?
03:38:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I RECEIVED A LOT OF CALLS ON THIS AND WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T ATTACKED, MAKE SURE PEOPLE
FEEL SAFE COMING TO TAMPA, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF VENUES,
PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE PATRONIZE PLACES THAT SAFE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING OR WHAT ARE
THE RULES IN REFERENCE TO CITY PROPERTY AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
SO WHAT ARE THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE TO REFUSE, OR THAT WE
WON'T HAVE IT THE RIGHT TO REFUSE?
03:39:05 >> YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING EVERYTHING THAT IT CAN TO
ADDRESS ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND PART
OF THAT IS INCOME COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES THROUGHOUT OUR REGION AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AS
WELL AS ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE AND
EACH OUR LOCAL SYNAGOGUE TEMPLES, SO WE ARE IN CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION AND WE ARE MONITORING ANY TYPE OF -- ANY OF
THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY TO KEEP TRACK OF IT AND ALSO IF THERE
IS ANY CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY TO
INVESTIGATE THOSE CRIMES.
SPEAKING TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, AS WE ALL

KNOW, THAT FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTS ALL TYPES OF POLITICAL
SPEECH, AND THE COURTS HAVE HELD THAT EVEN ANTI-SEMITICS,
SPECIFICALLY THE WEARING OF ANTI-SEMITIC CLOTHING, UNIFORMS,
SWASTIKA, IS PROTECTED UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT, SO WE AS A
GOVERNMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CANNOT LIMIT PEOPLE'S
SPEECH BASED UPON THE CONTENT OF THEIR SPEECH, AND AS
DISGUSTING AS THAT SPEECH MAY BE, IS PROBABLY THE FIRST
ENDMENT AND IS A BASIC TENANT THAT ALL OF US IN THE CITY
HAVE TO ENFORCE.
AND CERTAINLY PUBLIC PROPERTY, YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH
CANNOT REALLY BE LIMITED IN ANY TYPE OF WAY.
THAT'S DIFFERENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IT'S ALSO DIFFERENT AS I AM SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE IN
DIFFERENT TYPES OF PUBLIC FORUMS, GOVERNMENT PUBLIC
PROPERTY, SIDEWALKS, PARKS AND THE STREETS ARE WHAT ARE
KNOWN AS TRADITIONAL PUBLIC FORUMS AND ANY TYPE PROTECTED
FIRST AMENDMENT SPEECH CANNOT BE LIMITED REALLY IN ANY
MANNER IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA.
03:40:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE HAD A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO AND CAN'T DO, SO
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE LEGAL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
HERE, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S OBLIGATION IS
AND SO WE ARE NOT IN VIOLATION OF SOMEBODY'S RIGHTS, EVEN
THOUGH WE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR ON OUR PROPERTY.
03:41:17 >> UNDERSTOOD.

AND THE REMEDY FOR HATEFUL SPEECH, OR SPEECH THAT IS AGAINST
ONE WOULD BE AGAINST IT, MORE SPEECH.
SO REALLY WHAT WE CAN DO AND ARE TRYING TO DO IS ALLOW
ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO EXPRESSION THEIR FIRST
ENDMENT RIGHT A SAFE PLACE TO DO SO, AND HOPEFULLY THAT
WILL ALLOW EVERYONE TO EXPRESS THEIR RIGHTS, AND FOR
DEMOCRACY TO CONTINUE, BUT THAT'S THE BEDROCK OF THE FIRST
ENDMENT.
03:41:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
03:41:53 >>BILL CARLSON:
IN MY COMMENT, I WANT TO SAY, I'M 100%
BEHIND THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, THIS COUNCIL IS 100% BEHIND THE
JEWISH COMMUNITY, THE CITY IS 100 PERCENT BEHIND THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY, AND WE WON'T TOLERATE ANY KIND OF THREATS IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
I WAS JUST IN EUROPE A BIT IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, AND I
WENT TO SYNAGOGUES THAT FORMERLY HAD LARGE CONGREGATIONS AND
THERE'S ALMOST NOBODY LIVING IN THOSE CITIES ANYMORE.
THERE WERE WHOLE AREAS OF TOWNS THAT HAVE POPULATIONS THAT
MANY OF THEM WERE MURDERED AND MANY OF THEM MOVED TO OTHER
COUNTRIES.
WE NEED TO PROTECT EVERYBODY, AND WE VALUE OW JEWISH
COMMUNITY.
IT'S A VERY STRONG COMMUNITY HERE.
YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BROTHERS, RELATIVES, SISTERS, FRIEND. I
GREW UP CHRISTIAN.

MY SON IS CHRISTIAN.
AND JCC ALLOWED MY SON TO GO TO JCC GROWING UP SO HE LEARNED
THE THOSE BEFORE HE LEARNED CHRISTMAS SONGS, AND THESE ARE
THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO DO FOR EACH OTHER.
AND IF PEOPLE HERE HAVE THREATS, ACTS OF VIOLENCE, CALL 911,
OR CALL DID NONEMERGENCY HOTLINE, BUT CALL US IF THOSE
THINGS HAPPEN.
BUT I WOULD SAY NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT FOR THE
SAME REASON THAT WE NOWADAYS ASK MEDIA NOT TO MENTION THE
NAMES OF CRIMINALS, BECAUSE THEY SEEK PUBLICITY, WE MAY NOT
WANT TO GIVE A FREE PLATFORM TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPREAD
HEIGHT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TELL THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY THAT WE SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNCILMAN MEMBER VIERA
HAS A RESOLUTION THAT HE'S GOING TO PROPOSE IN A MINUTE,
ALSO.
BUT PLEASE TALK TO US, AND WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS, WE ARE
YOUR FRIENDS.
TALK TO US.
NONE OF US WILL TOLERATE THIS.
WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE A FREE PLATFORM TO ANYBODY.
THANK YOU.
03:43:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN VIERA?
I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 11.
03:44:03 >>LUIS VIERA:
MY GOOD FRIEND JOE CAN GO BEFORE ME.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM THERE.
03:44:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. PERVASTO, ARE YOU ONLINE?
03:44:15 >> I'M HERE.
03:44:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OH, YOU ARE IN HERE.
BEHIND JOE ROBINSON.
03:44:24 >> I HEAR WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME COLLECTIVE PAGE AND THAT'S
A GOOD WAY TO TURN THE COLLECTIVE CONVERSATION.
MY NAME IS JOE PERVASTO, THE IMMEDIATE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE
JEWISH FEDERATION.
I ALSO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE JEWISH
FEDERATION OF NORTH AMERICA, JOINED BY MARK SEGAL AT OUR
JCC.
WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS CITY
COUNCIL TODAY TO EXPRESS OUR PERSONAL SUPPORT AND THE
SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTERS AND FEDERATION
FOR COUNCILMAN VIERA'S RESOLUTION CONDEMNING ANTI-SEMITISM.
WHILE I HAVE SHARED MY OFFICIAL TITLES, I FEEL IT'S ALSO
IMPORTANT TO SHARE MY WIFE AND I, CALLED THE CITY OF TAMPA
OUR HOME OVER 20 YEARS AND CHOSEN TAMPA TO RAISE OUR TWO
USUALLY WONDERFUL CHILDREN.
OUR CHILDREN ARE BEING EDUCATED IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS OF OUR
CITY, AND WE HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF CONGREGATION FOR THOSE
SAME 20 YEARS.
SIMPLY PUT, TAMPA IS OUR HOME.
I SHARE THIS BECAUSE TODAY WE SPEAK OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY,

THE TWO ARE SIMPLY INSEPARABLE.
OW JEWISH COMMUNITY CALLED TAMPA HOME FOR THE BETTER PART OF
THE LAST 150 YEARS, AND FOR THOSE THAT SHARE AN INTEREST IN
TAMPA HISTORY, OUR CITY PROUDLY ELECTED HERMAN GLOGOWSKI, A
JEWISH GERMAN IMMIGRANT, AS THE 21st, 23rd, 25TH AND
27th MAYOR OF TAMPA WITH HIS FIRST TERM STARTING IN
1886.
YOU SEE, US JEWS IN TAMPA, WE GO WAY BACK.
WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS.
WE ARE YOUR CLASSMATES.
WE ARE YOUR CO-WORKERS.
WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS.
AND WHILE I COULD GO ON FOR HOURS ABOUT JEWISH TAMPA
HISTORY, THE TOPIC WE ARE HERE TO ADDRESS TODAY IS SOMETHING
I NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS IN OUR CITY.
YOU SEE, THE SAME CITY THAT ELECT ADD JEWISH IMMIGRANT AS
ITS MAYOR IN 1886 HAS RECENTLY BEEN THE CITY WHERE
ANTI-SEMITIC GRAFFITI HAS BECOME COUNCILMAN PLACE, WHERE
FLYERS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND LAST
SATURDAY WITNESSED THE DISPLAY OF NAZI FLAGS OUTSIDE OF OUR
TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
AND WHILE IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF MY REMARKS TODAY I WANT
TO SHARE THE FOLLOWING.
ANTI-SEMITISM IS NOT UNIQUE TO A PARTICULAR PARTY, IDEALOGY
OR CULTURE.

WE HAVE SEEN IT IN THE FAR RIGHT, THE FAR LEFT, CAPITALIST,
COMMUNIST ECONOMIES, APPEARED IN DIFFERENT TIMES IN OUR
HISTORY IN DIFFERENT PLACES ACROSS THE GLOBE.
IT IS THE FEAR OF THE OTHER, SOMETHING NOT LIKE ME.
AND IT LIVES IN PLACES WHERE WE STOP MAKING SPACE FOR
DIFFERENCE IN DIVERSITY.
AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU UNEQUIVOCALLY IS THE APPEARANCE OF
ANTI-SEMITISM, IF ANY COMMUNITY IS THE FIRST SYMPTOM OF A
DISEASE, THE EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF A CANCER THAT LEFT
UNTREATED WILL ULTIMATELY LEAD TO THE BREAKDOWN OF OUR
PRESSURES LIBERAL DEMOCRACY.
SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE TAKE THE ISSUE OF ANTI-SEMITISM
SO SERIOUSLY.
WHILE SOME MIGHT SUGGEST THE RECENT GRAFFITI, FLYERS AND
FLAGS ARE MINOR MATTERS I AM ALSO REMINDED OF RICHARD
WEAVER'S WORDS, THE TROUBLE WITH HUMANITY IS IT FORGETS TO
READ THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING.
FRIEND, WE HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY BEFORE.
WE KNOW HOW IT STARTED.
WE KNOW HOW IT PROGRESSED.
WE KNOW HOW IT ENDS IF LEFT UNCHECKED.
THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO INTERVENE EARLY AND DEMAND A
DIFFERENT OUTCOME FOR OUR CITY.
AND SO AS OUR COMMUNITY NAVIGATES THIS DIFFICULT CHAPTER IN
OUR TAMPA HISTORY, WE APPLAUD COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR

SPONSORING THIS MOTION AND OUR CITY COUNCIL FOR HAVING A
PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT SUCH A CRITICAL ISSUE TO OUR TAMPA
COMMUNITY.
WE ARE ALSO GRATEFUL FOR THE FRIENDSHIP AND PARTNERSHIP
MAYOR CASTOR HAS PROVIDED OUR JEWISH COMMUNITIES AND OUR
EFFORTS TO SHINE A LIGHT ON ANTI-SEMITIC AND TO ADDRESS
QUESTIONS THAT WERE IN THE PRIOR PRESENTATION OF CHIEF OF
POLICE O'CONNOR AND THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR
TREMENDOUS AROUND-THE-CLOCK SUPPORT AND PROTECTION THEY
PROVIDE OUR JEWISH COMMUNITY AND INSTITUTIONS.
THEY HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.
I WILL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS BY ENCOURAGING EACH OF YOU TO
SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION CONDEMNING ANTI-SEMITISM AND TO USE
YOUR OFFICES TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST ANTI-SEMITIC AND ALL FORMS
OF HEIGHT AND EXTREMISM, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE FAR LEFT, THE
FAR RIGHT OR ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN, ANTI-SEMITIC AND HATE ARE
DANGEROUS AND DEADLY IDEALOGIES AND IT IS DIFFERENCE IN
DIVERSITY THAT MAKES TAMPA BEAUTIFUL.
LET MAKE SURE WE KEEP IT THIS WAY.
THANK YOU.
03:49:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR
MOTION NOW?
03:49:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE, MR. CHAIR.
IF I MAY, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I WANTED TO THANK MR. PERVASTO

FOR COMING UP AND SHARING THOSE WORDS.
HE'S A COLLEAGUE, HE'S A FRIEND, HE'S JUST A GOOD PERSON,
AND I AM HONORED TO KNOW HIM AND HONORED TO CALL HIM A
FRIEND.
SO THANK YOU, JOE.
I WANT TO AGAIN SALUTE COUNCILMAN CASUAL SON FOR PUTTING
FORTH A MOTION OWN HAVING OOH REPORT ON HOW WE CAN FIGHT
ANTI-SEMITIC IN OUR CITY WHICH IS COMPANION TO THE
RESOLUTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
AND AS WAS SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE FIRST
ENDMENT, RIGHT?
I THINK IT WAS HUBERT HUMPHREY SAID THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD
DOESN'T MEAN THE RIGHT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BUT THIS KIND
OF SPEECH WE HAVE TO TAKE SERIOUSLY, NOT IN TERMS OF THE
SUBSTANCE OF THE CONVERSATION THEY ARE PURSUING BUT BECAUSE
OF THE DANGER OF IT LIKE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LIKE MR.
PERVASTO AND OTHERS TALKED ABOUT, LIKE JOE SAID, YOU HAVE TO
KNOW YOUR HISTORY ON ANTI-SEMITISM.
THERE IS NO FORM OF HATE THAT HAS A LONGER OR WIDER TAIL OF
AGGRESSION, OF MURDER, THAN ANTI-SEMITIC.
THAT'S A FACT.
BUT YOU HAVE ALSO GOT TO KNOW HOW ANTI-SEMITIC IS NOT JUST
STILL WITH US BUT MORE PREVALENT TODAY THAN IT'S BEEN IN A
LONG TIME.

WE LIVE IN THE ERA OF THE CHARLOTTESVILLE, WE SEE WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA, SO WE CERTAINLY HAVE GOT TO
USE OUR VOICE, LIKE WE ARE DOING TODAY, AND LIKE WE ARE ALL
DOING, TO OPPOSE ANTI-SEMITIC AND TO CALL IT OUT, WHAT JOE
SAID, IT HAPPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAPPENS ON THE LEFT.
I HAPPEN TO BE A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT.
HAPPENS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
HAPPENS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
AND WE HAVE GOT TO CALL IT OUT.
SO I HEREBY, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
03:51:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:51:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
IF I MAY.
THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, THAT IS NOT TAMPA.
THAT IS NOT WHO WE ARE.
THOSE ACTIONS WERE NOT TAKEN BY TAMPANIANS.
WE ARE A CITY WHERE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR YOUR SKIN
IS, YOUR NATIONAL ORIGIN, WHO YOU LOVE, OR WHAT GOD YOU
BELIEVE IN, WHETHER YOU ARE CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, AND
ESPECIALLY OF THE JEWISH FAITH.
WE ARE TAMPA.
WE ARE HERE FOR EVERYONE.
ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE MOTION.

03:52:06 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
03:52:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
03:52:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
03:52:15 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
03:52:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
03:52:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
03:52:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
03:52:20 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
03:52:23 >> THANK YOU ALL.
03:52:24 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
THANK YOU.
I WANTED TO ALSO THANK MR. PERVASTO FOR HELPING ME WITH THE
RESOLUTION.
WE TOOK THE CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTION THAT PASSED ALMOST
UNANIMOUSLY IN THE CONGRESS AND REVISED IT JUST A LITTLE BIT
FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO THANK YOU.
I WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK JOE FOR THAT.
SO THANK YOU, SIR.
03:52:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 10.
FILE CM 22-754292.
03:52:54 >>OCEA WYNN:
ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS.
I PROVIDED A MEMO TO YOU REGARDING THE CREATION OF A

VETERANS ALLIANCE GROUP, AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS
YOU HAVE.
03:53:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:53:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU YESTERDAY OR THE
DAY BEFORE.
I COULD BE WRONG BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IDEA BIG PUSH CAME
FROM COUNCILMEMBER VIERA BUT ENDED UP BEING THE MAYOR'S
VETERANS ALLIANCE.
WE WENT THROUGH LONG DISCUSSIONS, VERY LONG DISCUSSIONS
ABOUT THE CRB AND OTHER THINGS AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAID
CITY COUNCIL CAN'T JUST CREATE A COMMITTEE ON THEIR OWN, IT
HAS TO HAVE THE MAYOR ALSO.
WHETHER IT'S A LEGAL ISSUE OR JUST A GOOD WILL ISSUE, IT
SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE THE CITY VETERAN'S COMMITTEE INSTEAD
OF THE MAYOR'S, AND THEN THE MAYOR COULD GET SEVEN
APPOINTEES AND CITY COUNCIL COULD EACH GET ONE.
I HAD PEOPLE ALREADY ASK TO BE APPOINTED TO IT.
IT'S A BENIGN THING.
IT'S ONLY GOOD, IT'S ONLY POSITIVE.
THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL OR POLITICAL.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD TRY TO BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE.
03:54:12 >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.
IF I MAY, WHEN I WROTE UP, CREATED THE MEMO, THE I.V.
DIVERSITY EQUITY INCLUSION, WITH ALL OF THE OTHER ADVISORY
COUNCILS, THE MIRE'S AFRICAN, THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC COUNCIL,

BUT ABSOLUTELY WE CAN OPEN IT UP AND HAVE IT AS A VETERANS
ADVISORY COUNCIL.
THE INTENT IS OH TO GET THE VOICE OF THE VETERANS COMMUNITY
WITHIN CITY HALL SO THAT WE CAN HEAR THEIR CONCERNS.
SO WE WILL CREATE THAT AVENUE AND THE FRAMEWORK NEEDED FOR
THAT.
03:54:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST
THAT?
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL REQUEST THAT THE
MAYOR AND HER STAFF AGREE TO MAKE THIS A CITY VETERANS
COMMITTEE OR ALLIANCE, AND THAT IT HAS SEVEN REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THE MAYOR AND SEVEN REPRESENTATIVES FROM CITY COUNCIL,
ONE APPOINTED BY EACH COUNCILMEMBER.
03:55:15 >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
03:55:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
03:55:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RIGHT.
I ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY, THAT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE CEMETERIES IN OUR
COMMUNITIES, WE DON'T GET THE CAMERAS AND LIGHTS THAT THEY
DO ON COLUMBUS AND DALE MABRY.

YOU KNOW, ANYBODY OVER AT REST HAVEN MEMORIAL PARK.
SO I THINK IT'S GREAT WE CAN GET SOMEBODY FROM VFW ON THAT
SIDE OF TOWN, 40TH STREET.
I AM HAPPY TO CHANGE THAT TO CITIZENS ADVISORY INSTEAD OF
THE MAYOR'S COUNCIL ADVISORY.
03:56:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.
I AM NOT BOTHERED BY IT BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN EVEN NUMBER OF
MEMBERS, YOU MAY HAVE A SPLIT VOTE.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO CHANGE TO THE AN ODD NUMBER SO YOU
NEVADA GET AN ODD VOTE UNLESS SOMEBODY IS NOT THERE.
WHICH 7 AND 7 IS 14.
03:56:41 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO I AMEND MY MOTION.
AGAIN IT'S A REQUEST BY CITY COUNCIL.
03:56:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
03:56:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
TO MAKE IT THE CITY'S VETERAN'S COMMITTEE,
AND THAT THERE WOULD BE HOW ABOUT 8 REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE
MAYOR AND 7 BY CITY COUNCIL, ONE CHOSEN BY EACH
COUNCILMEMBER?
03:56:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF BENNETT, YOU ARE GETTING UP.
03:57:04 >>JOHN BENNETT:
I JUST HAVE A SMALL REQUEST TO CONSIDER.
I AGREE WITH THE BALANCE OF THE NUMBERS.
BUT ONE THING I EXPERIENCE EVERY MORNING WHEN I WALK THE
STREETS ARE HOMELESS VETERANS.
SO IF YOU COULD PUT A HOMELESS VETERAN ON THERE, I WOULD
REALLY APPRECIATE IT SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE ONE ADD-ON.

AND WHETHER IT CAME FROM COUNCIL OR THE ADMINISTRATION OR
WORKING WITH THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE
GREAT, TO PUT A HOMELESS VETERAN.
03:57:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO I AMEND MY MOTION, PRIOR LANGUAGE, BUT 7
APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, AND IN ADDITION TO THE 7, ONE
APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR WHO IS A HOMELESS VETERAN, AND THEN
SEVEN APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, ONE APPOINTED BY EACH.
03:57:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU STILL SECOND THE
MOTION?
03:57:54 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
03:57:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK MORE ON THIS?
THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.
03:58:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, SIR, BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK, THOUGH,
BECAUSE I WILL BE HONEST, I AM EXTREMELY TIRED.
I HAVE COVID.
SO I NEED TO GO TAKE A NAP.
I AM GOING TO HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF FROM CITY COUNCIL IF I
MAY.
03:58:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SLEEP DURING COVID?
03:58:33 >>CHAIRMAN:
YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR MY EARLY DEPARTURE.
03:58:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ARE STILL ON THE 9:00 ITEMS SO WE WILL
STILL BE HEREBY AT 8:00.
03:58:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO, NO.
WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, CM 22-75495.
03:58:51 >>OCEA WYNN:
ADMINISTRATIVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS.
I SUBMITTED A MEMO REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF A MEMORIAL
BENCH AT JULIAN B. LANE IN HONOR OF MS. SAVANNAH MATHIS WHO
LOST HER LIFE TO GUN VIOLENCE.
HER FAMILY HAS DECIDED TO HAVE THE DEDICATION OF THE
MEMORIAL ON AUGUST 24th.
AND I JUST 2022 KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
03:59:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
SHE WAS AUTOPSY UP AND COMING IN ALL ASPECTS.
AND I WANTED TO HONOR HER BECAUSE SHE WAS UP AND COMING.
SO WE WILL GET TOGETHER AND DO THIS FOR THE FAMILY.
THEY HAVE BEEN IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.
03:59:42 >>OCEA WYNN:
THANK YOU.
03:59:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MS. WYNN.
NUMBER 13.
CM 22-73220, TO BE HEARD WITH -- NO, DELETE THAT ONE.
04:00:00 >>KELLY AUSTIN:
HUMANS AND TALENT DEVELOPMENT, AND VALERIE
HORTON RAKES, RISK MANAGER, AND WE ARE HERE ON ITEM NUMBER
13 TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

04:00:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
04:00:15 >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE SAID THIS BEFORE BUT WE NEED A
DIFFERENT POLICY, AT LEAST FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO
PROBABLY THE MAYOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A $500,000 LIMIT.
IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT STARTS WITH A MUCH SMALLER
OUNT.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE IN AN ERA OF LITIGATION, AND WE ALL CAN
EASILY RUN UP 20, $30,000 IN FEES, AND WE SAW ONE OF OUR
COLLEAGUES HIT HIS LIMIT, AND HE HAD TO NEGOTIATE.
SO THERE'S STATE LAW ABOUT MAYBE WHEN THE CITY CAN STEP IN,
BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME INSURANCE TO COVER ELECTED
OFFICIALS AGAINST -- NOT TO COMMENT ON ANY EXISTING LAWSUIT
BUT ANY POSSIBLY FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT IN THE FUTURE OTHERWISE
WE ARE GOING TO BE BOMBARDED BY THESE, AND WE NEED -- PEOPLE
NEED TO KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL IS PROTECTED.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ONLY EARN FIFTY SOMETHING THOUSAND
DOLLARS A YEAR.
MANY OF US HAVE OTHER JOBS BUT FOR A PART-TIME JOB IT
DOESN'T PAY VERY MUCH.
WE SPEND 60 HOURS A WEEK.
IF WE ARE SUED FOR $100,000 OR MORE, THEN WE HAVE GOT TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEFEND OURSELVES.
AND HAVING A POLITICAL APPOINTEE MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER
WE ARE COVERED OR NOT IS JUST NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.
04:01:56 >>KELLY AUSTIN:
YOU WISH I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS

SOONER BUT HERE IS A SUGGESTION PERHAPS.
WE COULD INVITE OUR CONSULTANT GALLAGHER TO COME TALK TO
COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE AND WHAT OPTIONS
AREN'T AVAILABLE, IF THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
04:02:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
I KIND OF THOUGHT YOU ALL HAD COME UP WITH
OPTIONS HERE BUT IS IT POSSIBLE YOU COULD HAVE A CONSULTANT
OR SOMEONE TALK TO EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN COME
BACK WITH SOME SPECIFIC PROPOSALS AS COUNCILMAN GUDES ALWAYS
SAYS, DON'T TELL US WHAT WE CAN'T DO, TELL US WHAT WE CAN
DO.
WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS?
04:02:29 >>KELLY AUSTIN:
I THINK WE COULD ARRANGE THAT, RIGHT?
I COULD WORK WITH GALLAGHER AND COORDINATE IT WITH EACH OF
YOUR OFFICES.
04:02:38 >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S SOME LEVEL AT WHICH
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS TO WEIGH IN AND DECIDE
WHETHER THEY DEFEND OR NOT.
BUT IF SOMEBODY ON THE OUTSIDE KNOWS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY
IS NOT GOING TO KICK IN UNTIL A LAWSUIT IS OVER, AND THEN
THEY CAN SEE THE FINANCIAL FILINGS OF SOMEONE, THEY ARE
GOING TO HIT THEM.
AND I AM LUCKY ENOUGH THAT I CAN AFFORD TO DEFEND MYSELF
AGAINST FALSE ACCUSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HITTING ME SO FAR,
BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN DO THAT.
AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT LITIGATION SHOULD NOT BE A

POLITICAL EFFORT.
04:03:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. AUSTIN, WILL THE 25th OF AUGUST BE
ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO GET THE CONSULTANTS TO COME BACK IN
UNDER STAFF REPORTS?
04:03:24 >>KELLY AUSTIN:
I BELIEVE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH
THAT.
I CAN VERIFY THAT WITH THEM AND IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEM I CAN
LET THEM KNOW BUT I THINK WE CAN GO WITH THAT DATA.
04:03:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THE 25 THEY'RE OF AUGUST A GOOD DATE?
04:03:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT WOULD BE GREAT BUT TO COME BACK WITH A
SPECIFIC PROPOSAL OR MORE THAN ONE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL.
04:03:42 >>KELLY AUSTIN:
TO BE CLEAR, DO YOU WANT ME TO ARRANGE FOR
THEM TO MEET WITH YOU AUGUST 25th R OH HE-INDIVIDUALLY
OR COME BACK THE 25th?
04:03:52 >>BILL CARLSON:
IT WOULD BE BETTER TO COME TALK TO US AND
THEN THE -- YOU CAN'T CARRY MESSAGES BETWEEN US BUT WHEN YOU
COME BACK BEFORE US, YOU CAN SAY BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS
AND THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS WITH THE CONSULTANTS HERE, HERE IS
ONE OPTION OR THREE OPTIONS OR WHATEVER AND WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO FUND IT BECAUSE THE CURRENT SITUATION IS NOT
ACCEPTABLE.
04:04:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN YOU MAKE THAT MOTION?
04:04:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT CITY STAFF COME BACK, WHAT WAS THE
DATE, AUGUST 25th.

04:04:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
04:04:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
UNDER STAFF REPORTS TO PRESENT OPTIONS FOR
DIRECTORS INSURANCE THAT WILL PROTECT CITY COUNCIL AND THE
MAYOR, BASED ON THE PRIOR CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL
AND THE MAYOR.
04:04:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DATE?
04:04:44 >>KELLY AUSTIN:
YES.
I WILL TALK TO GALLAGHER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE
COORDINATING THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS IN ADVANCE OF THAT,
FANNED THERE'S ANY PROBLEM I WILL LET NOW.
04:04:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:04:57 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAY NOT VOTE FOR THIS BUT ALSO MAY EXCLUDE
MYSELF. IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG AND IF I FOLLOW THE
INSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE IN THE CHARTER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY,
REPRESENT WHOEVER THAT COUNCILMEMBER IS, UNLESS I TELL THE
CITY ATTORNEY I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
THAT'S JUST ME TALKING TO MYSELF.
04:05:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU VOTING NO TODAY?
04:05:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL VOTE NO TODAY.
04:05:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL VOTE NO ALSO.
THE MOTION PASSES.
04:05:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING, THIS IS A NEW WORLD, A NEW TIME, AND THE
PLAYBOOK HAS CHANGED.

AND THE TACTIC THAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE USING IS
EGREGIOUS.
COMING AFTER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I CAN SEE OTHER PLACES, FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS, YOU KNOW, YOU
DON'T VOTE ON SOMETHING, SOMEONE COMES AFTER YOU TO SUE YOU,
THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED NOW.
EVERY IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INSURED, I'M JUST TELLING
YOU, ATTORNEYS AREN'T CHEAP.
IT AIN'T CHEAP.
SO THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, YOU
DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR DAY WILL COME AND YOU DON'T HAVE NO
MONEY TO PAY FOR, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
04:06:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:06:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
AND THE POINT IS THAT, YOU DON'T KNOW
WHETHER SOMEONE DID SOMETHING OR NOT.
ANYONE CAN MAKE A FALSE ACCUSATION.
I WORKED ON LOTS OF LITIGATION REPRESENTING CLIENT, AND
WHOEVER HAS THE MOST MONEY CAN FILE FALSE CLAIMS AGAINST
SOMEONE, AND EMBARRASS THEM, SLANDER THEM, AND THEN IT'S UP
TO THE OTHER SIDE TO WORK TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT.
WHOEVER HAS ENOUGH MONEY WINS.
AND UNLESS -- LUCKILY, TIFF RESOURCES TO DEFEND MYSELF
AGAINST FALSE ACCUSATIONS BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T, THEY
ARE GOING TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE.

AND AT N AT LEAST SEVERAL CASES, THE MAYOR, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT, AND THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT WERE COMPLICIT
IN OPENLY ATTACKING AND ALLEGING FALSE ACCUSATIONS AND
ESPECIALLY AGAINST COUNCILMEMBER GUDES.
THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY.
04:07:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS ALLEGATIONS.
04:07:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S NOT ALLEGATIONS.
04:07:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALLEGATIONS, PLEASE. CAN WE MOVE FORWARD?
04:07:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW THE EVIDENCE OF
THAT?
I'M HAPPY --
04:07:35 >> YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED --
04:07:37 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW --
[SOUNDING GAVEL]
04:07:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
-- AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DOESN'T MEAN
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRY TO DO THAT.
THE MAYOR HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO ALLEGE THAT COUNCILMAN
GUDES DID SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T DO.
04:07:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE MOVE FORWARD.
04:07:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE AND IT'S PROBABLY
ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL AT THE VERY LEAST.
YOU CANNOT ALLOW CITY RESOURCES AND STAFF TO BE USED --
04:08:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM CALLING A RECESS RIGHT NOW.
04:08:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE CITY OR ARE YOU
REPRESENTING THE MAYOR?

04:08:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M REPRESENTING THE CITY.
04:08:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, WELL, STOP TRYING TO CARRY WATER FOR
THE MAYOR.
04:08:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
[SOUNDING GAVEL] WE ARE IN RECESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CAN I TALK TO YOU, PLEASE?
(RECESS)

04:11:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM NUMBER 16.
I APOLOGIZE.
04:11:50 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
04:11:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, THAT WAS COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IS THAT CORRECT?
WE TOOK A VOICE VOTE ON IT, BUT CLERK IS ASKING YOU FOR A
ROLL CALL VOTE.
SO ROLL CALL, YES.
OKAY.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
04:12:13 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:12:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:12:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:12:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:12:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
04:12:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
04:12:29 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE

AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CITRO VOTING NO.
04:12:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16.
E-2022-8 CHAPTER 18.
I GUESS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE PUT
OFF, COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED FOR A CONVERSATION BETWEEN
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:13:06 >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT
THIS TODAY.
WE ARE RUNNING CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE.
IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD TAKE -- JUST SAY THAT WE TAKE AN
HOUR OR TWO ANOTHER ONE OF THE MEETINGS BEFORE THE END OF
AUGUST?
04:13:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO PICK A DATE?
04:13:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONLY CHOICE IS NEXT WEEK.
IF WE DO AUGUST 4th, I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF NOT TO ADD
LOTS OF ITEMS, ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON THIS DAY.
WE NEED AT LEAST AN HOUR TO DISCUSS IT.
WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS WE JUST GO THROUGH A LIST OF WHAT WE
WANT, WE VOTE UP OR DOWN ON EACH CONCEPT AND THEN WE MAKE A
MOTION TO ASK LEGAL STAFF TO DRAFT THE LANGUAGE, AND THEN --
04:14:05 >> MR. MASSEY, WOULD THERE HAVE TO BE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THIS
DISCUSSION?
04:14:10 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MS. ZELMAN IS --

04:14:13 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT TIMING.
WE DID CONSULT WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE, AS
DID ATTORNEY SHELBY, AND TO GET SOMETHING ON THE NOVEMBER
ELECTION BALLOT, THE LANGUAGE HAS TO BE TO THE SUPERVISOR OF
ELECTIONS OFFICE IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH BY NO LATER
THAN AUGUST 23rd.
SO TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE, IF WE TALK ABOUT IT NEXT
WEEK THERE, ISN'T ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE TWO HEARINGS TO
DEPARTMENT BY ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE TO ADOPT BY ORDINANCE LANGUAGE TO GO ON A
REFERENDUM.
AND YOU HAVE ALREADY ASKED US TO DO IT ON THAT ACCELERATED
SCHEDULE FOR THE ORDINANCE TO HAVE FIRST READING AND THEN AN
ORDINANCE A WEEK FROM TODAY.
SO TO TRY TO DO CHARTER AMENDMENT AS WELL, I WOULD CAUTION
YOU.
I THINK THAT'S TOO ACCELERATED OF A SCHEDULE.
I WENT BACK WHEN WE ALL SERVED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION, A RECOMMENDATION WAS GIVEN TO THAT CITY COUNCIL
IN MAY, MAY 24th OF 2018, AND THEN ULTIMATELY HAD FIRST
READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON AUGUST 8th, AND THEN SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION ON AUGUST 23rd.
AND THAT WAS TO PUT IT ON THE MARCH 2019 BALLOT.
AGAIN WE COULD DO THE SAME THING THIS GO AROUND, DISCUSS

CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR THE MARCH 2023 BALLOT.
THE DEADLINE FOR THAT IS SOMETIME IN JANUARY.
SO I THINK -- I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT'S REALISTIC TO TRY TO
DO SOMETHING AS SIGNIFICANT AS AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TRY TO RUSH IT WITHIN THE NEXT -- IN
LESS THAN THREE WEEKS TIME, BASICALLY, TO GET IT ON THE
BALLOT.
04:16:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:16:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD JUST SAY WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, AND LEGAL DELAYED US, THEN OUR
ATTORNEY WAS OUT SICK, AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.
WE HAD A CONSULTANT WHO HAD COVID.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ADD IT TO THE SAME MUST BE HEARING
DATES THAT WE HAVE THE OTHER ONE COMING UP, AND IF NOT WE
ARE GOING TO HAVE IT DURING THE ELECTION, AND THAT'S FINE.
04:16:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
TO DO THAT, AGAIN, YOU ASKED US TO COME
BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE FOR THE RENT CONTROL A WEEK FROM
TODAY.
IF YOU WANTED THE SAME SCHEDULE FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS, YOU
WOULD HAVE TO GIVE US THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE TODAY SO WE
COULD GET IT TO YOU BY NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN, THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY ACCELERATED SCHEDULE.
AS NOW WE DON'T NORMALLY THROW TOGETHER SIGNIFICANT
ORDINANCES IN LESS AN WEEK'S TIME.
AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE PREROGATIVE, BUT IT SEEMS VERY, VERY

HASTY AND RUSHED TO ME TO TRIBE TO DO IT ON THAT SCHEDULE,
AGAIN WHEN YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF PUTTING IT ON THE MARCH
BALLOT.
04:17:22 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE ONE THAT I THINK IS
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT'S ACCELERATED NOW BUT IT WASN'T ACCELERATED SEVERAL
MONTHS AGO. IF WE HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING ELSE ON MARCH,
THAT'S FINE.
BY I HAVE ONE AT LEAST THAT I WOULD PROPOSE LANGUAGE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO THROW IT OUT?
04:17:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.
04:17:47 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE SEEN AN INHERENT CONFLICT OF
INTEREST IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE VERY
GOOD PEOPLE IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WHEN HAVING TO CHOOSE
BETWEEN THREE CLIENTS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT OFTEN RUNS INTO CONFLICT.
I UNDERSTAND EVEN IN CRB MEETING A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO THERE
WAS LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUT FORWARD THAT I DON'T THINK THE
CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE APPROVED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH
CLIENTS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WAS REPRESENTING.
AND SO I HAVE TALKED TO MANY LAWYERS IN AROUND THE FLORIDA
BAR ABOUT THIS, AND THIS AREA IS KIND OF FUZZY AROUND
CITIES, BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO, MIAMI IS AN EXAMPLE,
AND IT'S NOT A PERFECT EXAMPLE, BUT MIAMI HAS AN ATTORNEY
THAT REPRESENTS THE MAYOR, AND I THINK -- I WOULD LIKE TO

MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A DRAFT
ORDINANCE ON THE SAME DATES, WHAT IS IT, AUGUST 4th, AND
AUGUST 18TH, TO PUT ON THE BALLOT A QUESTION, A PROPOSED
CHARTER AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD CREATE AN ATTORNEY FOR THE
MAYOR, AN ATTORNEY THAT WOULD REPRESENT THE MAYOR, IN THE
POSITION OF MAYOR, NOT INDIVIDUALLY, AND THEN SPECIFY THAT
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REPRESENTS THE CITY AS A WHOLE,
NOT THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY THE RIGHT TO HIRE STAFF AND OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS
SUBJECT TO A BUDGET THAT'S APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THE
MAYOR.
04:19:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SORRY?
04:19:43 >> AT THE EVENING MEETING ON THE 19th.
AT THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE OTHER ONE WE JUST PROPOSED
TODAY.
04:19:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY QUESTION IS WHO THEN HIRES OR
SELECTS OR APPOINTS THE CITY ATTORNEY?
NOT THE MAYOR'S ATTORNEY, BUT WHERE DOES THE CITY ATTORNEY
COME FROM?
WHO MAKES THAT HIRING DECISION?
HR?
04:20:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A PROCESS FOR HIRING
THE CITY ATTORNEY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK THAT WE
OUGHT TO ALSO GET CITY COUNCIL ON UNANIMOUS VOTE OR
TWO-THIRDS VOTE THE RIGHT TO FIRE THE CITY ATTORNEY, ALSO.

CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO BE NEUTRAL.
AND CITY ATTORNEYS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN USED AS WEAPONS
AGAINST CITY COUNCIL AND TO SOME DEGREE HERE.
WE NEED TO -- THERE ARE GREAT PEOPLE, MS. ZELMAN AND MR.
MORRIS ARE GREAT EXAMPLES.
BUT TO PROTECT THEM, AND THEIR CLIENT IS THE CITY, THEN
CLEARLY WHO IT IS.
THEY ARE NOT REPRESENTING US.
THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY.
THE MAYOR WILL HAVE HER ATTORNEY THAT WILL BE SEPARATE FROM
THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL VERY WELL THEIR OWN
ATTORNEYS.
04:21:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:21:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I TALKED TO A COUPLE FORMER CITY
ATTORNEYS.
AND THESE GUYS, LONG TIME, AND ONE GENTLEMAN TOLD ME, SAID,
YEAH, I WAS TOLD TO DO AN ASSIGNMENT AND GAVE THE ANSWER AS
THE CORRECT ANSWER, BUT MY BOSS SAYS I DON'T PAY YOU TO
DO --
AND BEING A CITY EMPLOYEE FOR NOW COUNCIL THEN, I'M YOUR
BOSS, YOU DO WAY TELL YOU TO DO.
AND I HATE TO SAY THAT.
AND WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE HERE.
BUT TO ME THEY HAVE A BOSS.
THEY HAVE A BOSS.

MARTY IS HERE.
WE ARE HIS BOSS.
SO I THINK MR. CARLSON IS RIGHT.
THIS THING HAS BECOME VERY POLITICAL NOW.
THE CITY IS GROWING.
POLITICS IS -- I BELIEVE THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE HER OWN
ATTORNEY.
COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEY.
04:22:22 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM CITY CLERK'S OFFICE
AND THIS EFFECTS CONTROL ORDINANCE THAT YOU PROPOSED EARLIER
TODAY AND THIS DISCUSSION, THEY DO NOT HAVE TIME TO DO THE
NOTICE BETWEEN THE AUGUST 4th AND AUGUST 18th
MEETING TO COMPLY WITH FLORIDA LAW.
SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT NEITHER ONE OF THESE
THINGS WILL BE ABLE TO -- IN ORDER TO GET THESE THINGS ON
THE BALLOT, THEY MUST BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE, AND THERE ARE
PUBLICATION DEADLINES REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, STATUTORY TIME
FRAMES THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
04:22:58 >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT WE CAN SET UP A SEPARATE -- MS. HURTAK
IS SETTING UP A SPECIAL MEETING, RIGHT?
WE CAN SET IT UP FOR THE 19th THROUGH THE 23rd OR
WHATEVER?
04:23:09 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEXT WEEK?
04:23:12 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE MAY NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE CITY CLERK
HE'S OFFICE.

04:23:18 >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE FIND OUT WHAT THOSE DEADLINES ARE?
FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE?
04:23:27 >> THIS IS SULING LUCAS WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
FOR NOTICE TO BE PROVIDED, IT HAS TO BE TEN-DAY NOTICE,
WHICH PUTS US AS IF YOU CHOOSE AUGUST 4, THAT WILL NOT GIVE
US ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE PUBLICATION TO THE NEWSPAPER
COMPANIES, SO THE DEADLINE TO GET THEM TO THE NEWSPAPER
COMPANIES IS BY WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 10th, AND THAT'S GOING
TO BE SHORTENING THE TIME.
SO IT ALL DEPENDS IF YOU CHOOSE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE ON
FIRST READING, AT THAT TIME WE COULD DETERMINE THE NEXT
AVAILABLE DATE TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE
PUBLICATION.
04:24:05 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP TWO SPECIAL
MEETINGS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
04:24:10 >> SULING LUCAS:
NO, IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE THE FIRST
READING ON AUGUST 4th THAT'S FINE.
BUT ON AUGUST 4th WE NEED TO DECIDE WHEN THE SECOND
READING WILL BE HELD.
SO IF YOU DECIDE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE SECOND
READING, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE ENOUGH TIME FRAME FOR ME TO BE
ABLE TO PROVIDE PUBLICATION.
04:24:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND DATE MAY HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT
FROM THE 18th.
04:24:30 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDED DATE BE?

04:24:32 >> SULING LUCAS:
IT ALL DEPENDS ON COUNCIL'S AVAILABILITY.
SO WE HAVE AUGUST 4th.
WE CAN EVEN MAKE THE AUGUST 25th MEETING, BUT I KNOW YOU
HAVE A DEADLINE.
04:24:45 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE 23rd IS THE ABSOLUTE DEADLINE FOR
THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS SO IT CAN'T HAPPEN AFTER THAT.
04:24:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY CAN'T WE DO IT THE 18TH AT NIGHT?
04:24:58 >> WE CAN'T ADVERTISE THAT ONE TEN DAYS IN ADVANCE, CORRECT?
04:25:01 >>SULING LUCAS:
CORRECT.
04:25:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
ON THE 18th.
YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE THAT.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE 14 DAYS, RIGHT?
04:25:09 >>SULING LUCAS:
WELL, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE NEWSPAPER
ONLY RUNS ON CERTAIN DAYS, SO OUR PUBLISHER LA GACETA, THEY
ONLY PUBLISH ON FRIDAY, SO THAT WOULD BE THE 12th.
THAT'S NOT GOING MEET THE DEADLINE.
04:25:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY.
SO WHEN DID YOU SAY THE DEADLINE IS FOR THE --
04:25:29 >> AUGUST 23rd TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.
04:25:32 >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO CAN WE MEET NEXT WEEK EARLIER THAN THE
4th?
THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
04:25:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
04:25:46 >>SULING LUCAS:
IT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE EITHER
AUGUST 1st OR 2nd.

SO FIRST READING.
(MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS)
04:26:01 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE DISCUSSING IT --
04:26:04 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT ABOUT THE 19th OR THE 22ND FOR THE
SECOND MEETING?
04:26:07 >>SULING LUCAS:
LET'S SEE.
04:26:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS FOR THE RENT CONTROL, TOO, THAT
ONE.
04:26:16 >>SULING LUCAS:
THE 22ND WOULD BE YOUR BEST BET.
04:26:19 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD JUST AMEND MY MOTION AND MAKE IT
THE 4th AND THE 22ND, AND THEN WE COULD DO A SEPARATE
MOTION ON THE OTHER ONE.
04:26:26 >>SULING LUCAS:
YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE A MOTION JUST TO
SCHEDULE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON AUGUST 22ND FIRST, AND
THEN SCHEDULE THOSE ITEMS ON THAT DAY.
04:26:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD WE FINISH THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE
FLOOR AND THEN COME BACK TO THAT SCHEDULING MOTION?
04:26:44 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
MAY I COMMENT ON MR. CARLSON'S MOTION?
04:26:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE.
04:26:52 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE
WE ALWAYS CONSIDER OUR CLIENT TO BE THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND
THAT INCLUDES THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, ALL THE
DEPARTMENTS.
WE DON'T CONSIDER YOU SEPARATE AND APART AND AGAINST EACH
OTHER, IF YOU WILL.

WE VIEW YOU ALL, AND ALL OF US, AS PART OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
IN REPRESENTING CITY OF TAMPA, AS AN ENTITY.
YOU ARE ONE PART OF IT.
THE MAYOR IS ONE PART OF IT.
THE DEPARTMENTS ARE ONE PART OF IT.
AND WE REPRESENT ALL OF YOU.
AND WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU KEEP
SAYING WE HAVE DIFFERENT CLIENTS, BUT OUR CLIENT IS THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
THAT ASIDE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE
INTRIGUING, CREATING A NEW SEPARATE ATTORNEY FOR THE MAYOR,
REWRITING THE ROLE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, REWRITING
THE PERSONNEL IN THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BUT EACH OF THOSE SEPARATE AND A PART IS PRETTY COMPLICATED.
THESE ARE NOT SIMPLE THINGS THAT I CAN JUST THROW TOGETHER
IN AN ORDINANCE.
BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY CHANGING ASPECT OF OUR CURRENT FORM
OF GOVERNMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE FURTHER WHETHER THAT
COULD EVEN WORK, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.
I AM NOT ARGUING THAT THEY ARE BAD IDEAS OR GOOD IDEAS, BUT
I DO THINK THAT THEY DESERVE MORE STUDY, AND I CAN TELL YOU,
WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY OF
TAMPA AMENDED THE CHARTER BACK IN 2014 TO CREATE THE

POSITION OF CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, WE WERE TO MY
UNDERSTANDING THE FIRST LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THE STATE TO DO
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT BECAME A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT LOCAL GOVERNMENT ANNUAL
SEMINARS.
WE RECENTLY HAD ONE OF OUR INTERNS RESEARCH, AND THERE'S NO
OTHER CITY IN THE STATE THAT WE COULD FIND WITH A STRONG
MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT LIKE WE HAVE THAT HAS A SEPARATE
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
IT'S AN ATTORNEY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHO SITS
WITH THE COUNCIL.
ONE CITY FOLLOWED OUR LEAD IN 2014, I BELIEVE IT WAS
PENSACOLA, AND GAVE THEMSELVES THE RIGHT IN THEIR CHARTER TO
HAVE A SEPARATE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BUT NEVER IMPLEMENTED
IT.
THEY STILL HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
SITTING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY POINT BEING THAT EVEN WHAT WE DID IN 2014 STILL RAISES
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY VERSUS
THE ROLE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, HAVING A NEW ELEMENT TO THAT,
HAVING A SEPARATE MAYOR'S ATTORNEY, I JUST THINK WARRANTS
MORE STUDY, AND TO JUST PUT THAT INTO AN ORDINANCE, AGAIN IN
LESS THAN A WEEK'S TIME, AND PUT IT UP TO THE VOTERS BEFORE
WE REALLY EVALUATED IT, GIVES ME GREAT CONCERN.
04:30:04 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE JUST APPROVED UNION CONTRACTS TODAY THAT

WE GOT THE INFORMATION ON YESTERDAY.
04:30:09 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
BUT MY POINT IS THESE ARE COMPLICATED
LEGAL ISSUES, AND --
04:30:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
GRAY ROBINSON HAS TWO FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS
WHO CAN LOOK AT THIS IF WE PAY THEM.
04:30:23 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I SUSPECT IF I WERE DISCUSS THIS WITH THEM
THEY WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH ME, THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT IS NOT SIMPLE.
IT REALLY IS CHANGING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT AS IT IS
CURRENTLY DESCRIBED IN OUR CHARTER.
AGAIN, MAYBE THEY ARE GREAT IDEAS.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE GOOD OR BAD.
I JUST THINK THEY WARRANT MORE THOUGHT.
04:30:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
WITHOUT BRINGING --
04:30:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I UNDERSTAND THE RENT CONTROL, THE SENSE
OF URGENCY.
THIS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SENSE OF URGENCY TO COMPLETELY
CHANGE OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT WITHOUT PUTTING MORE THOUGHT
ABOUT IT.
THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
04:30:57 >>BILL CARLSON:
WITHOUT GOING INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF IT WE
HAVE AT LEAST THREE SITTING COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO I BELIEVE
WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKED AGAINST THEM AND THIS
COULD RESULT IN LAWSUITS, COULD RESULT IN BAR COMPLAINTS,
AND WE NEED -- WE DESPERATELY NEED TO FIX THIS, BECAUSE

OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO END UP INTO THE CATASTROPHIC
FIGHTS IN THIS CITY, AND WE NEED THE VOTERS TO CLARIFY THIS.
YOU KNOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BEFORE
US AND TAKE AN OATH THAT NO OPINIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE
WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IN ADDITION TO THE MAYOR.
04:31:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
AND I WOULD SAY ARE WE SURE WHAT YOU ARE
PROPOSING ARE GOING TO AFFECT THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU
ASSERTED, WHICH AGAIN NOT NECESSARILY AGREEING WITH YOU BUT
I AM NOT SURE HAVING THREE SEPARATE ATTORNEYS -- AGAIN, I
THINK IT WARRANTS STUDY.
I THINK IT WARRANTS CONSIDERATION.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT RUSHING IT ONTO A BALLOT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD DO THAT WITHOUT PUTTING MORE
THOUGHT AND CONSIDERATION INTO IT.
I MEAN, AGAIN, TRYING TO MEET THESE DEADLINES IS
EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT UNDER ANY SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES,
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE SENSE OF URGENCY THAT WAS
DRIVING THE PUSH TO DO IT FOR THE RENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SENSE OF URGENCY TO DO THAT RIGHT
NOW.
ON TOP OF THE RENT CONTROL ORDINANCE AS WELL.
04:32:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
ARE YOU PROCEEDING WITH YOUR MOTION?
04:32:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, PLEASE, WITH THE CHANGE WE WOULD MAKE

THE SECOND DATE THE 22ND.
04:32:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU STILL SECONDING THAT MOTION?
04:33:02 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:33:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME SPEAK.
04:33:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU OR DO YOU WANT
TO SPEAK NOW, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
04:33:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DO WHATEVER YOU WISH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
04:33:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
04:33:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AS YOU SIT HERE AND LISTEN, THE IDEA THE GOOD, IDEAS
SOMETIMES DON'T FIT THE BOX.
BUT YOU ACQUAINT YOURSELF TO THAT.
SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET AT IS THIS.
IF YOU HAVE A SEPARATION OF ATTORNEYS, ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE
AND ONE ON THIS SIDE, AND THEY HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION,
WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU WANT.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT SUING THE
OTHER, WHICH IS POSSIBLE, ONE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT SUING
THE OTHER PART OF GOVERNMENT, AND WHOEVER THAT GOVERNMENT IS
NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME FOREVER.
SO WE HAVE BEEN UNDER THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.

I TELL YOU WHAT, I CAME ON IN 1974 ON AND OFF.
AND IN 1974, WE HAD ONE CITY COUNCIL, ONE CITY ATTORNEY
NAMED HENRY WILLIAMS, AND MAYBE HE HAD 3 OR 4 SIDE
ATTORNEYS.
IT WAS DIFFERENT THEN.
IT WASN'T LEGAL AS IT IS NOW.
SO THE MORE YOU GET, THE LEAST PROBABLE YOU HAVE THAT IT'S
GOING TO BE CORRECT.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE ANOTHER IDEA.
WHAT ABOUT IF THAT INDIVIDUAL ON THE OTHER SIDE DON'T LIKE
EACH OTHER?
WHAT IF LEGALLY THEY HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION?
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GO THEN?
TO COURT TO FIGHT?
YOU ARE GOING TO PAY TWO ATTORNEYS THAT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT
EACH OTHER IN COURT TO BE SEE WHO IS RIGHT, I GUESS.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
WAY SEE HERE -- AND ONE DAY I WILL SPEAK TO IT WHAT I THINK,
AND I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT TODAY -- SOMETHING THAT I HAVE
KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME.
I AM NOT GOING TO BRING IT UP TODAY.
YOU HAVE A SITUATION HERE BESIDES WHAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK
ABOUT.
YOU CANNOT HAVE A DIVIDED GOVERNMENT AND GO FORWARD, LIKE
HAVING THREE LEGS, WHERE YOU ONLY HAVE TWO.

BUT THE THIRD LEG MAY STUMBLE A LOT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO STUMBLE, KEEP DIVIDING THE GOVERNMENT, AND
YOU ARE GOING TO FIND WHAT YOU HAVE.
IF YOU THINK WASHINGTON IS NOT DOING THE JOB, GOD BLESS YOU,
TAMPA IS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN WASHINGTON.
KEEP HIRING ATTORNEYS AND KEEP FIGHTING EACH OTHER, AND SEE
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
04:35:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:36:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE LEGAL
ADVICE, THE LIABILITY THING THAT THE LEGAL ADVICE IS
FOLLOWING THE INTENT OF COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MULTIPLE SITUATIONS, I CAN GIVE YOU ALL
THE SPECIFICS THAT YOU WANT, WE HAVE MULTIPLE SITUATION
WHERE IS THE CITY WORKED AGAINST THREE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
LEAKING INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS,
MAKING STATEMENT OUT OF SCHOOL.
I CAN TELL YOU ALL OF THEM IF YOU WANT.
ALSO SPENDING $100,000 PLUS I DON'T KNOW WHAT WITH ANOTHER
ATTORNEY TO INVESTIGATE A CITY COUNCILMAN WITHOUT TELLING
THEM, GIVING A $200,000 SETTLEMENT WITHOUT GETTING CITY
COUNCIL APPROVAL, AND MAYOR HOLDS A PRESS CONFERENCE, THE
COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT HOLDS PRESS CONFERENCES, AND SENDS
DEFAMATORY INFORMATION ABOUT CITY COUNCIL.

THE SIMPLE SOLUTION IS THAT IT'S NOT ME OR CITY COUNCIL
THAT'S CAUSING THIS DIVISIVENESS, IT'S SOMEBODY IN THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE.
THE SIMPLE WAY TO SOLVE IT, THE SIMPLE WAY TO BRING THIS
CITY BACK TOGETHER IS WHEN THE MAYOR COMES HERE NEXT WEEK,
SHE SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO CITY COUNCIL AND COMMIT TO US AND
MORE IMPORTANTLY THE PUBLIC THAT CITY RESOURCES, CITY MONEY
WILL NO LONGER BE USED TO ATTACK CITY COUNCIL.
IF SHE DOES THAT, I WILL DECLARE RIGHT THEN MY LOYALTY AND I
WILL FOLLOW BEHIND.
BUT JUST STRONG GOVERNMENT ONLY MEANS THAT THE MAYOR DOES
NOT SIT ON CITY COUNCIL.
IT DOESN'T MEAN A DICTATORSHIP.
THE REASON I GOT ON CITY COUNCIL IS TO PREVENT A NASTY
DICTATOR LIKE THE LAST ONE FROM TAKING HOLD, AND WHAT WE SEE
IS BRUTALITY IN THE WAY THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS ATTACKED
CITY COUNCIL, THE WAY THEY ATTACKED ORLANDO GUDES IS REALLY
DESPICABLE, AND THE WAY THEY HAVE ATTACKED ME, THE WAY THEY
HAVE ATTACKED OTHERS.
WE CANNOT ALLOW THAT.
THAT IS WHAT'S CAUSING THE DIVISIVENESS IN THE CITY AND WE
HAVE TO STOP THIS.
THE MAYOR IS THE ONE --
04:37:53 >> PLEASE, PLEASE MOVE ON. CAN WE PLEASE MOVE ON?
04:37:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET'S TAKE THIS VOTE AND GO ON.

04:38:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WELL, WE JUST HAD A MEMBER WALK OUT.
04:38:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
EM BE BACK.
04:38:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:38:09 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE BEEN WAITING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION
AT THE WORKSHOP SINCE JULY, PROBABLY BEFORE THAT.
I AGREE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS SERIOUS, BUT ADDITIONALLY,
YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE A DAY WHEN THIS IS ALL WE TALK ABOUT.
OBVIOUSLY, I SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
I SECONDED IT.
BUT I WANT MORE THAN JUST THIS.
THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT THIS IS A REALLY LONG DISCUSSION THAT
WE ALL NEED TO HAVE WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND I AGREE IT WOULD
BE GREAT FOR EVERYONE TO COME TOGETHER, AND AS LONG AS
THERE'S THE ILLUSION OR FEEL BY SOME PEOPLE THAT THERE ISN'T
A COMING TOGETHER, THEN IT ISN'T GOING TO WORK.
SO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET US TO ALL FEEL LIKE WE ARE ON
THE SAME PAGE, I'M ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO DO.
AND IF THAT MEANS HAVING SEPARATE COUNSEL, THAT'S GREAT.
WHATEVER IT TAKES SO THAT EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THEIR VOICES
ARE HEARD AND WE ALL FEEL PROTECTED.
04:39:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND
SUGGEST THAT WE SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CHARTER
ENDMENTS FOR THE WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, AND THAT WE
NOT ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THAT AGENDA ON SEPTEMBER 22ND.

04:39:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU NOTE THAT COUNCILMAN
CARLSON'S MOTION IS ALSO STATED THAT WE ADD NOTHING ELSE TO
THAT AGENDA THAT DAY.
04:40:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR THE WORKSHOP.
04:40:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST FOR THE WORKSHOP.
THAT IS NOTED? THEN MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
MANISCALCO.
04:40:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BET ARE OFF WITHOUT HAIR.
04:40:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
04:40:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO DISCUSS THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS AT
THE WORKSHOP ARE THE POWER POINTS SET UP?
04:40:50 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:40:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:40:58 >>LUIS VIERA:
NO RESPONSE.
04:41:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:41:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:41:01 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:41:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
04:41:05 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:41:11 >>BILL CARLSON:
CO-I MAKE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION JUST TO PUT
THE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION THAT I DESCRIBED BEFORE, THE MAYOR
ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BEING REPRESENTING CITY

ONLY, AND THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY BEING ABLE TO ADD STAFF,
WOULD THAT BE A SPECIFIC PART OF THE DISCUSSION, MAYBE AS A
SEPARATE ITEM BUT CONNECTED?
04:41:34 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SECOND THAT.
04:41:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST THAT WE DISCUSS THAT POSSIBILITY OF
THE ATTORNEY FRAMEWORK THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT THE
MAYOR HAVING AN ATTORNEY, CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENTING ONLY
THE CITY, NOT CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY HAVING
THE RIGHT TO EITHER HIRE STAFF OR OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS AS A
SPECIFIC POINT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT DATE?
04:42:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
04:42:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ALREADY PASSED IT.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, BUT I THINK IT
WILL GIVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
WE ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO REPORT NECESSARILY BUT JUST TO
HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WILL COME UP IN
THE DISCUSSION ANYWAY, BUT JUST TO PUT ON THE AGENDA THAT WE
WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT IN PARTICULAR.
04:42:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
04:42:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
BID COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:42:39 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:42:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:42:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

04:42:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:42:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:42:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
04:42:51 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:42:55 >>SULING LUCAS:
CHAIR?
04:42:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:43:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC AND IT'S NOT
A MOTION.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR A CEASE FIRE. I'M TALKING
EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY.
LET'S JUST START FRESH AND CLEAN.
WE HAVE WASTED SO MUCH TIME ARGUING AND FIGHTING.
I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY.
I'M JUST SAYING, THIS IS NOT WORTH IT.
IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
THIS IS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
WE ARE JUNIOR VARSITY LEVEL OF POLITICS.
I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES BUT ARGUING AT ONE
ANOTHER, I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY, I AM NOT CONSPIRING, BUT
WE CAN'T CONTINUE LIKE THIS.
WE CAN'T.
PEOPLE ATTACKING PEOPLE AND SUING OTHER PEOPLE.

LET'S JUST START FRESH.
THAT'S JUST ME.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, GETTING ALONG IS POSSIBLE, THAT YOU CAN
MAKE PEACE WITH ENEMIES, AND I THINK WE SHOULD TRY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY.
MAYOR, HERE, WHEREVER.
I AM NOT SAYING ANYBODY IS DOING ANYTHING BUT WE SHOULD
START FRESH.
WE HAVE ALL BEEN THROUGH A LOT WITH COVID.
VERY BUSY YEAR.
VERY BUSY AGENDA.
WE HAVE A VERY BUSY BUDGET COMING UP.
IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT.
LET'S DO OUR JOB, SERVE THE PEOPLE AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
04:44:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF YOU MAKE A MOTION I SECOND IT BECAUSE
THAT'S THE MOST LOGICAL THING I HAVE HEARD IN SIX MONTHS.
04:44:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:44:22 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CHARTER REVIEW
WORKSHOP.
AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND ALL OF MY BROTHERS WHO SERVED ON
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WITH ME THAT WE DID GET AN
ENDMENT PASSED DURING THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION, SO I BELIEVE
THAT ANYTHING THAT WE STILL HAVE A REAL ABILITY TO GET THESE
PASSED IN MARCH, IF WE COME UP WITH AMENDMENT THAT CITIZENS
WANT AND WE PUBLICIZE THEM WELL.

04:44:56 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
WE DID NOT RESOLVE THE -- THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT THE CLERK IS
GOING TO SAY-WE DIDN'T RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF SCHEDULING
AUGUST 20th FOR THE YOUR ITEM, MR. GUDES.
04:45:10 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I BELIEVE THE CLERK WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW
THE SCHEDULING THE 22ND FOR THE SECOND READING.
PROPOSED RENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.
04:45:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A SPECIAL MEETING ON AUGUST 20th?
04:45:28 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IS THERE A SPECIFIC TIME, CITY CLERK THAT
CHAMBERS ARE AVAILABLE?
IS IT AVAILABLE AT 9 A.M. ON THE 22ND?
04:45:35 >>SULING LUCAS:
I AM CHECKING NOW.
IT IS AVAILABLE AT 9 A.M.
WE HAVE A MEETING AT 2:30 P.M.
IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE IT AT 9 A.M. IF POSSIBLE.
04:45:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
WOW.
SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE ALL DAY.
04:46:05 >>SULING LUCAS:
I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT I DO HAVE A
HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
CARLSON MADE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE THE CHARTER REVIEW ITEMS

ON SEPTEMBER 22ND AND NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT DAY.
YOU DO HAVE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THE
22ND OF SEPTEMBER.
04:46:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I STAND CORRECTED, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
THAT NOTHING ELSE BE ADDED FOR THAT DAY.
IS THAT CORRECT?
04:46:32 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
04:46:34 >>SULING LUCAS:
THAT'S CORRECT.
04:46:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FEELS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL DAY.
AGENDA ITEM 17.
FILE NUMBER E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
MS. WELLS.
04:46:46 >>CATE WELLS:
IF COUNCIL DOESN'T MIND, THERE'S AN ITEM 81.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR 10:30 THIS
MORNING.
IT HAS BEEN A JOINT REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE TO NEXT WEEK ON
AUGUST 4th, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TAKING THAT ONE ITEM.
04:47:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:47:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HAVE WE OPENED THE HEARING?
04:47:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, WE DID TAKE A VOTE ON.
THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 81.
HPC 22-01-C.
ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO AUGUST 4th.
04:47:25 >>CATE WELLS:
AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AGREES TO THAT AS
WELL.

04:47:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES
TO SPEAK TO THAT CONTINUANCE ONLY?
IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE TO SPEAK TO THAT CONTINUANCE ONLY?
SIR, ARE YOU THE REPRESENTATIVE?
04:47:37 >> YES.
SCOTT McLAREN, BANK OF AMERICA TOWER, FOR MS. ASHLEY WHO
IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, REQUESTING A CONTINUE AND WE
GROW WITH MS. WELLS IN ASKING FOR A ONE-WEEK CONTINUANCE.
THANK YOU, SIR.
04:47:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO I HAVE A MOTION?
04:47:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONTINUE TO AUGUST 4th AT
10:30 A.M.
04:48:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HPC 22-01-C.
MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU, SIR.
SHALL WE CONTINUE WITH THE CONSEQUENCE ANSWERS?
SORRY, MR. COX.
I APOLOGIZE.
82.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE 25th OF AUGUST.
WE DIDN'T OPEN IT.
MS. WELLS?

I'M SORRY.
FORGIVE ME, SIR.
MS. WELLS, SINCE WE ARE ON THIS 82, HE'S ASKING FOR A
CONTINUANCE UNTIL AUGUST 25th?
04:48:53 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE ASKED FOR
THAT TO AN EVENING PETITION. I THINK THAT ALL THAT COUNCIL
WOULD NEED TO DO WOULD BE --
04:49:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S MAKE A MOTION ON THAT, PLEASE. HAVE
A MOTION TO CONTINUE FILE VAC 22-12, TO AUGUST 25th,
MADE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY MOVED?
THANK YOU.
ALSO, LET'S TAKE CARE OF NUMBER 83.
04:49:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE IT BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
04:49:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:49:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DE 1-22-41-C.
MADE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
MR. COTTON, THANK YOU.
04:49:37 >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF FIRST READINGS OF TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT
COUNCIL HEARD AT THEIR APRIL 28th WORKSHOP.

FIRST IS ITEM 17 WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT TO REGARDING
COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, TO CHANGE TO CHAPTER 43 THE DEFINITION
OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, AND 27-283.11 WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL
VEHICLE SECTION IN THE CODE.
THERE'S ONE AT THAT HEARING A GENTLEMAN FROM BELMONT HEIGHTS
SPOKE, HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE, SO BETWEEN FIRST
AND READING WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK AND MAKE A CHANGE.
IT'S BASICALLY TO THE DEFINITION OF PERSONAL VEHICLE, IN
ADDITION TO THE CODE, AND IT'S THE PART THAT SAYS MAY
INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO AUTOMOBILES, PRIVATE PICKUPS
TRUCKS AND VANS, AS WE PROPOSE TO BE -- HAD ISSUES ABOUT HOW
THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE INTERPRETED.
AT THE WORKSHOP COUNCIL WAS OKAY WITH THAT CHANGE BUT IT
DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE SO BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING WE WILL BE STRIKING OUT LANGUAGE. OTHER THAN
THAT, IT'S JUST A CHANGE TO THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL
VEHICLES AND ALLOW PEOPLE WHO DRIVE LARGER PICKUP TRUCKS OR
WHATEVER TO ACTUALLY PARK THEM AT THE HOUSE THEY LIVE IN
WITHOUT BEING CITED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR HAVING A
COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
04:50:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
04:51:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT.
I JUST WANT SOME CLARITY WHERE IT SAYS COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT,
VEHICLE, WHAT THEY ARE.
IS IT MACHINERY COMMERCIAL, CONTAINERS, INCLUDING BOX

TRUCKS?
RECREATIONAL VEHICLES?
COMMERCIAL VEHICLES?
TRACTOR TRAILER.
AUTOMOBILES, PICKUP TRUCKS, OR VANS.
WHEN YOU SAY AUTOMOBILES, PICKUP TRUCKS AND VANS --
04:51:36 >>ERIC COTTON:
THAT'S THE PART THAT'S BEING ASKED ABOUT. WE
ARE GOING TO STRIKE FROM THE DEFINITION. THAT WAS A REQUEST
FROM BELMONT HEIGHTS.
04:51:38 >> YOU HAVE VEHICLES 3.11 WHAT THEY ARE, BUT 9X22, YOU CAN
HAVE A CAR THAT'S 22 NOW.
04:52:00 >>ERIC COTTON:
THAT I BELIEVE IS THE SIZE OF LIKE A 250.
FULL DUAL CAB AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHERE WE GET THAT NUMBER FROM.
BUT SPECIFICALLY A PICKUP TRUCK BEING USED FOR A COMMERCIAL
PURPOSE.
IF IT'S LIKE A FORD EXCURSION AND IT'S SIMPLY DRIVING TO
HOME --
04:52:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT TRYING TO BE THE DEVIL'S
ADVOCATE.
ONE THAT HAS A SIGN ON AND THEY BOTH USE IT FOR THE SAME
THING, HOW DO WE DIFFERENTIATE?
04:52:30 >>ERIC COTTON:
THAT'S WHAT THIS CODE IS ADDRESSING.
WHERE THIS CODE COMES INTO PLACE, PEOPLE THAT HAVE IT ON THE
SIDE WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK IT AT THEIR HOUSE.

THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK IT IN THE STREET, THEY WOULD
DEFINITELY BE PARKED ON THEIR PROPERTY OVERNIGHT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BY OUR CODE.
04:52:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE -- AND
AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO THEM PARK ON THE PROPERTY, IN OTHER
WORDS, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
04:53:01 >>ERIC COTTON:
I UNDERSTAND.
04:53:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TO
THIS?
SEEING NONE.
04:53:15 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
04:53:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:53:27 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE E2022-8 CH 27,
NUMBER 17, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
RELATING TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS
MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER
27 ZONING CODE, AMENDING SECTION 27-43 DEFINITIONS AMENDING
SECTION 27-283.11 VEHICLE PARKING, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES
OR PART OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:54:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MAY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
FILE NUMBER E-2022-8-CHAPTER 27.
I APOLOGIZE.
04:54:17 >>THE CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ON AUGUST 25TH,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
04:54:27 >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-318.
THIS IS THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SECTION FOR ENFORCEMENT.
THIS IS AMENDING THE ABILITY TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS IF
COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT THERE IS A DANGER TO PEOPLE'S HEALTH
OR TO THE BUILDING THAT THE EVENT IS TAKING PLACE IN FOR
CONSIDERATION OF A SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION, INSTEAD OF A
30-DAY NOTICE, NARROW IT DOWN TO 15 DAYS.
04:54:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
I HAVE ONE.
IS THIS JUST STRUCTURAL OR COULD THIS BE OTHER CONCERNS AS
FAR AS PEOPLE'S HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE?
04:55:04 >>ERIC COTTON:
IT'S A DANGER TO PEOPLE'S HEALTH IS HOW THE
CODE IS GOING TO READ.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE IF THERE IS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE
ON THE SITE.
04:55:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
04:55:16 >> I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, E-2022-8-CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF

TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE NOTICE
TIMEFRAME, MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA ORDINANCES,
CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 27, ZONING CODE, AMENDING
SECTION 27-318, EXPIRATION, SUSPENSION, REVOCATION,
APPROVALS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, POSTING OF NOTICE
FOR DISCONTINUANCE OF SALES, EVIDENCE OF RESUMPTION OF
SALES, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:55:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
MR. COTTON.
04:56:01 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK AND
COUNCILMEMBER VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 25th,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
04:56:14 >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 19 IS AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-140 WHICH IS
THE BONUS CRITERIA. STATE OF FLORIDA PASSED AN AMENDMENT TO
THE STATUTES THAT WOULD INCLUDE GRAYWATER AS A BASIS FOR
GETTING A BONUS.
SO IF THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN UTILIZING GRAYWATER WHICH IS

WASTE FROM BATHS AND SHOWERS, NOT FROM TOILETS AND SUCH,
THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO OUR BONUS CRITERIA, SOMEBODY COULD
TAP INTO IT, TO UTILIZE INCREASE IN THEIR DENSITY OR FLOOR
AREA.
04:56:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU FEEL
COMFORTABLE READING NUMBER 19?
04:57:05 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I WAS BRIEFED ON THIS.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO ADDING GRAYWATER AS A BONUS
PROVISION MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING
SECTION 27-140, BONUS PROVISIONS, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES
OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:57:37 >> SECOND.
04:57:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
04:57:45 >>THE CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON
AUGUST 25th, 2022.
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:57:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA NUMBER 20, E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.

04:58:03 >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEFINITION OF MEETINGS OF THE
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF.
THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE BY THE
FLORIDA LEGISLATURE THAT WAS PREEMPTING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
FROM BE REGULATING DESIGN CRITERIA, FOR CITY OF TAMPA,
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND WEST TAMPA THAT ARE NOT IN THE CRA,
PARTS OF EAST TAMPA THAT ARE NOT IN THE CRA, WE WOULD NOT BE
ABLE TO REGULATE THE DESIGN CRITERIA ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AT
THE URGING OF THE COMMUNITY.
THERE WAS AN EXEMPTION FOR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DESIGN
REVIEW BOARD, SO WE ARE AMENDING THE DEFINITION OF OUR DRC
TO INCLUDE THAT TO BE A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
04:58:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:58:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
E 2022-8-CHAPTER, AN ORDINANCE FOR FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA RELATING TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE
STAFF DRC MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING
SECTION 27-43, DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-66, INTENT
AND PURPOSE, AMENDING SECTION 27-67, DUTIES, PROVIDING FOR
REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.

04:59:30 >> SECOND.
04:59:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
04:59:38 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMEMBER
VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 25th,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
04:59:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 21.
FILE E-2022-8-CHAPTER 27.
04:59:56 >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 27-43, AND 27-127.
23 IS THE DEFINITIONS.
WE ARE AMENDING THE DEFINITION TO THAT SECTION TO INCLUDE
THE DEFINITION OF STREET CAFE.
THIS IS AN OUTGROWTH OF THE CITY'S LIFT-UP PROGRAM WHICH IS
GOING -- WHICH WILL BE EXPIRING.
THIS WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO UTILIZE PARKING SPACES IN THE
ACTUAL STREET.
THEY CAN UTILIZE THOSE PARKING PLACES FOR AN EXTENSION OF,
IF THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK CAFE PERMIT, FOR A RESTAURANT OR
RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, TO UTILIZE PART OF THE STREET.
THAT ACTUAL CODE SECTION THAT ENFORCES THAT REGULATION IS
CHAPTER 22 WHICH IS THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THE CODE.

05:00:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:00:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NUMBER 21, E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27, BEING
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO STREET CAFE MAKING
REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27,
ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43,
DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-127, CLASSES OF SPECIAL USE
PERMITS, AGENTS OR BODY RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH GENERAL
PROCEDURE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PART OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
05:01:25 >> SECOND.
05:01:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
05:01:33 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION TO BE HELD ON AUGUST 25th,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
05:01:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 22, E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
05:01:50 >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

THIS IS TO CODIFY PARKING STANDARD FOR OFF-STREET
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU SEE IN THE CODE IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND DOES A
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE TO HAVE PARKING AT THE
RETAIL USE, AT THE RETAIL CALCULATION AND THE RESIDENTIAL
CALCULATION, THIS WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY, THEY STILL HAVE TO
MEET THOSE NONRESIDENTIAL PARKING STANDARD, SO LOOKING AT
THE RETAIL USE, THEY HAVE TWO APARTMENTS THAT INVOLVE A
SMALL BUSINESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE ONE SPACE PER
UNIT VERSUS ONE AND A HALF SPACES PER UNIT.
05:02:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:02:27 >>BILL CARLSON:
NOVEMBER FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27,
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO
OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA
CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT
ENDING SECTION 27-283.7 NUMBER OF OFF-STREET PARKING
SPACES PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
05:03:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?

05:03:04 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION TO BE HELD ON AUGUST 25th,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
05:03:16 >>ERIC COTTON:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
05:03:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CAN YOU PLEASE?
05:03:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
PUBLIC SAFETY VICE CHAIR, ITEMS 23
THROUGH 29.
05:03:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
05:03:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
05:03:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 30 THROUGH 40.
05:03:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, COULD YOU READ 41 THROUGH 47 MINUS 43
AND 44?
05:03:53 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 41 AND 42 AND 45 THROUGH 47.
05:04:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
05:04:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CAN YOU MOVE 51?
05:04:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
51 AND MAYBE THE ONLY ONE.
WE MOVED -- 51 IS THE ONLY ONE, I BELIEVE.
MOVE ITEM 51.
05:04:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COULD YOU READ 52 THROUGH 74, AND I'LL
MENTION THE SUBSTITUTE FOR ITEM 70.
05:04:32 >>BILL CARLSON:
[OFF MICROPHONE] MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE FOR
70.
05:04:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:04:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 75.
05:05:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:05:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING
FOR 76 THROUGH 80.
05:05:13 >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.

05:05:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
I BELIEVE THAT CLEARS US.
05:05:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S IT.
05:05:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SORRY, MADAM CLERK?
DID YOU WANT A ROLL CALL ON THAT?
OKAY.
FANTASTIC.
THANK YOU.
INFORMATION REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:05:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
IN THE ERA OF TRYING TO BRING PEACE BACK TO THE CITY I
APOLOGIZE TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR GETTING EMOTIONAL AND UPSET.
THESE ISSUES ARE HOT, AND THE COMMUNITY IS GIVING US
FEEDBACK, AND WE ARE ALSO EXPERIENCING THINGS PERSONALLY.
SO MY INTENTION AND EFFORT IS TO TRY TO GET ALONG WITH
EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY YOU ALL, BUT ALSO STAFF, AND I HOPE
THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FEELS THE SAME WAY AND WE CAN
RESTART AT SOME POINT WITH A COLLEGIAL ENVIRONMENT.
THANK YOU.
05:06:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON --

05:06:25 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
05:06:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE ALL HAVE PASSION AND
I ADMIRE YOUR PASSION.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:06:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
PRESENT A COMMENDATION ON OCTOBER 6th TO ROBIN BETHUNE
WHO REPRESENTS LIGHT-UP MBC WHICH HONORS THOSE WHO LOST
THEIR LIVES THROUGH METASTATIC BREAST CANCER.
ROBIN LOST HER DAUGHTER ERICA LAST YEAR TO METASTATIC CANCER
AND OCTOBER IS ALSO METASTATIC BREAST CANCER AWARENESS
MONTH.
05:07:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:07:09 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A DAY, AND GOING TO
CONTINUE THAT DAY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOMETHING HAPPEN TUESDAY NIGHT.
WE HAD A VOTE BY THE CRB TO RECOMMEND THAT WE PUT SUBPOENA
POWER ON THE BALLOT, AND, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVE POLICY
REQUIRES TRUST FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY THERE CAN BE NO TRUST.

THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW
THEY WANT TO BUILD THAT TRUST THROUGH ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MAKE A MOTION THAT LEGAL COME
BACK TO US ON AUGUST 4th WITH THE ORDINANCE TO PUT THE
CRB SUBPOENA POWER AND INDEPENDENT COUNSEL ON THE BALLOT FOR
VOTERS TO DECIDE, USING THE FOLLOWING CODES AND ORDINANCES
AS A MODEL FOR MIAMI-DADE, BROWARD, KEY WEST, ORANGE COUNTY
AND EVEN OUR OWN CITY CODE.
05:08:03 >> SECOND.
05:08:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOWEVER, MY PERSONAL FEELING IS THAT
ONLY JUDGES, STATE ATTORNEYS, TO ACCUSE SOMETHING THAT'S
HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON, THIS COUNCIL HAS SUBPOENA POWER
THAT'S NEVER BEEN USED.
THAT'S ALL I WILL SAY.
05:08:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK THAT WAS TO HAVE STAFF
REPORT BACK TO US?
05:08:30 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, IDEALLY, THE GOAL WAS TO GET IT ON THE
BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.
BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE THAT
POSSIBILITY.
05:08:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CITY ELECTION.
05:08:42 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
SO I AM FINE WITH THAT.
I WILL ACTUAL WILL FINE WITH MOVING THE DATE TO AUGUST
4th.

05:08:47 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
PERHAPS HAVING A CHARTER WORKSHOP ON THE
2nd 2nd 2nd THAT MIGHT BE A DATE TO BRING
FORWARD DRAFT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHAT
WOULD GO ON THE SPRING BALLOT.
05:09:03 >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
I WILL BE FINE WITH THAT.
AGAIN I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT HOW WE ALL FEEL ABOUT
IT, BUT WE HAVE HEARD ENOUGH ABOUT HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT, AND
I FEEL THAT IT REALLY IS JUST UP TO THE VOTERS AT THIS
POINT.
WE ARE LEAVING SO MANY THINGS UP TO THE VOTERS, WE MIGHT AS
WELL ADD ANOTHER THING.
05:09:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:09:24 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
AS COUNCIL MIRANDA SAID WE HAVE SUBPOENA POWER AND THIS IS
NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT EXCEPT MAKING IT
SPECIFICALLY AVAILABLE TO THEM.
THEY COULD USE ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS.
ALL THIS IS DOING IS MAKING AN ATTORNEY AVAILABLE TO THEM.
WITHOUT PUTTING WORDS IN ANYBODY'S MOUTHS?
YOU ALL SHOULD WATCH THE VIDEO FROM THE CRB MEETING THE
OTHER NIGHT AND LOOK AT HOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REPRESENTED
SOME OF THE DISCUSSION, SEE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR
NOT.
BUT I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING BUT I THINK

IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT SURPRISING TO ME, THE
EXISTING CRB THAT WAS MOSTLY NOT APPOINTED BY US REQUESTED
THAT WE DO THIS.
AT LEAST THE FIRST PART OF IT.
SO WE ARE RESPONDING TO THEM AND MEETING THEIR REQUEST.
05:10:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY DISCUSSION?
I NEED TO SAY THIS.
I THINK I HAVE BEEN THE COUNCIL PERSON THAT'S BEEN TO CRBs
THE MOST.
WITH THE REORGANIZATION OF THE CRB, BY US AND BY THE MAYOR,
WE TRIED TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE ON THAT CRB FROM CITY COUNCIL
AS POSSIBLE.
WE COULD NOT DO THAT.
IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
SO WHAT I HAD SUGGESTED --
[NO ENCODER]
[NO ENCODER]
-- CRB WAS NOT A DECISION MADE BY THE CRB.
I APOLOGIZE.
IT'S NOT.
THEY LEFT THE DECISION UP TO US.
WHEN WE HAVE OTHER BOARDS THEN IT'S REVIEWED, HISTORICALLY.
OTHER BOARDS THAT THE PETITIONER DID NOT LIKE WHAT THAT

BOARD HAD TO SAY, THEY COME TO US.
WE HAVE THREE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, APPROVE, OVERTURN OR
SEND IT BARK TO THAT BOARD FOR THEM TO MAKE A DECISION.
I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.
I WOULD PREFER THE CRB MAKING THEIR OWN DECISION ON THIS.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
05:12:03 >> I'M NOT?
05:12:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO QUICK THINGS.
BUT THE CRB VOTED THE OTHER NIGHT I THINK OF TO 3 OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT --
05:12:18 >> TO SEND IT BACK TO US.
05:12:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO
EVERYONE ON ALL SIDES OF THIS ISSUE IS THAT -- AND I AM NOT
A LAWYER, BUT STATE LAW PROHIBITS US, AND WOULD PROHIBIT
THEM, FROM SUBPOENAs TO POLICE OFFICERS.
AND SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUNISHING POLICE OFFICERS OR
TRYING TO SUBPOENA POLICE OFFICERS.
IT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE ASKING FOR CAMERAS ON A STORY THAT
ARE AVAILABLE.
05:12:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I
GET BACK TO MY POINT THAT I MADE HERE.
I ASKED THE BOARD TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN TELL
US WHAT THEY WANT.
THE DECISION THEY MADE THE OTHER NIGHT WASN'T THEM TELLING
US WHAT THEY WANT.

THE DECISION THEY MADE WAS, WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE
COUNCIL.
SO I'M JUST ONE VOTE.
I'M JUST ONE VOTE.
I'M JUST EXPLAINING MY VOTE.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:13:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE WANT THE SAME
THING AS COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
05:13:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
05:13:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
05:13:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
05:13:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
05:13:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
05:13:40 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
05:13:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
05:13:43 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE AND COUNCIL CITRO VOTING NO.
05:13:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT CLEAR TO YOU ALL?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:14:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A

SPECIAL CALLED 2023 BUDGET WORKSHOP FOR TUESDAY, AUGUST
16th, 2022 AT 9 A.M.
05:14:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
05:14:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
05:14:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE SECOND ONE.
I HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT THE NATIONAL TRADESMAN DAY IS
OCTOBER 17, 2022.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO
LOGISTICS AND ASSESSMENT MANAGEMENT, ALSO KNOWN AS LAM,
DEPARTMENT FACILITIES MANAGEMENT TRADESMEN TEAM OF OUR OWN
CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15.
05:14:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
05:14:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE MORE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
FOR COMMENDATION TO LAURA AND STEVEN CRISER ON THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE WARREN C. CRISER COMMUNITY FUND, AN
ENDOWMENT CREATED FOR THE JEWISH FOUNDATION IN HONOR OF THE
COUPLES' DECADES OF TIRELESS SERVICE TO MANKIND -- TO
HUMANKIND, EXCUSE ME.
THIS COMMENDATION WILL BE PRESENTED ALONG WITH RECOGNITION
FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON JULY 31st,

2022.
05:15:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
05:15:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DO HAVE A BUDGET
MEETING OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ON AUGUST 4th AT 9 A.M.
WE HAVE TWO SPECIAL CALLED, ONE ON SEPTEMBER 6th AND ONE
ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.
05:15:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE I GO TO YOU, SIR, I FORGOT TO
WISH MY MOTHER A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY. IT'S NOT TODAY. IT'S
SATURDAY.
SHE'S TURNING 64 AND I TOLD HER YOU CAN PLAY THAT BEATLES
SONG.
64.
05:15:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SHE'S NOT 64.
A VERY YOUTHFUL 64.
[ LAUGHTER ]
05:16:02 >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY MOM TURNED A CERTAIN AGE AND HER BROTHER
PUT IT ON FACEBOOK AND SHE'S STILL MAD ABOUT IT.
05:16:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CITY OF TAMPA HAS A BUILDING INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT WAS
VOTED IN ON 2008 THAT WILL PROVIDE INITIATIVES TO ENCOURAGE
SUSTAINABILITY IN CONSTRUCTION -- SUSTAINABLE CONSTRUCTION
AND REDEVELOPMENT.
I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM AND
SEE OVER 14 YEARS HOW THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST

AND HOW THIS PROGRAM CAN UTILIZE TO MEET THE ADMINISTRATION
THE CITY OF TAMPA GOALS AND OUR RESILIENCE TAMPA ROAD MAP.
SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS GREEN BUILDING INITIATIVES
ORDINANCES THAT OFFER AND INCENTIVES OF PERMIT FEE
REIMBURSEMENTS AND FAST TRACK PERMITTING, INCLUDING A STAFF
REPORT ON HOW GREEN BUILDING INITIATIVE PROGRAMS ORDINANCE
NUMBER 2008-112 IS BEING IMPLEMENTED AND HOW MANY DEVELOPERS
ARE USING IT, AND FIND WAYS TO INCREASE THE USE OF THIS
PROGRAM AND HOW TO UTILIZE RESILIENT TAMPA ROAD MAP ON
OCTOBER 27th.
05:17:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE CHAIRMAN.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
05:17:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY MIRANDA,
SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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