TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JULY 28, 2022
9:00 A.M.
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09:03:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING HELD TODAY ON JULY
09:03:44AM 28, 2022.
09:03:46AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION TODAY.
09:03:52AM WILL EVERYONE PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING AFTER THE
09:03:55AM INVOCATION FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:04:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD MORNING.
09:04:06AM TODAY, I HAVE THE PLEASURE TO HAVE CHRISTIE COLER HERE,
09:04:09AM THE MANAGER AT SPCA TAMPA BAY, THE ONLY NONPROFIT ANIMAL
09:04:16AM WELFARE AGENCY THAT RUNS AN ALL ANIMAL SHELTER AND
09:04:20AM VETERINARY HOSPITAL IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
09:04:22AM CHRISTIE TELLS THE UPLIFTING STORIES OF ANIMALS HEALING AND
09:04:27AM FINDING HOMES AT THE LARGO SHELTER MAKE SURE THAT DONORS SEE
09:04:31AM HOW THEY ARE CHANGING LIVES WITH THEIR SUPPORT.
09:04:32AM AS A FOR-ALL SHELTER, SPCA DOES NOT TURN AWAY
09:04:40AM ANIMALS LOOKING FOR REHOMING OR FARM ANIMALS OR STRAYS AND
09:04:44AM ORPHANED WILDLIFE.
09:04:45AM >> THANK YOU.
09:04:46AM THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR HAVING US THIS MORNING.
09:04:49AM LET US BOW OUR HEADS.
09:04:52AM ETERNAL SPIRIT, WE COME TOGETHER THIS MORNING IN SERVICE TO
09:04:58AM OUR COMMUNITY.
09:05:00AM LET US BEGIN WITH GRATITUDE FOR ALL THAT BRINGS US JOY,
09:05:04AM FAMILY, FRIENDS, PETS, AND CREATURES OF ALL KINDS.
09:05:08AM REMEMBER THAT WE ARE STEWARDS OF ALL LIVING THINGS.
09:05:11AM GUIDE US TO SERVE WITH COMPASSION RATHER THAN JUDGMENT.
09:05:16AM TO HELP THOSE IN NEED WITH KINDNESS AND TO STAND FOR THOSE
09:05:19AM WHO CANNOT STAND ALONE.
09:05:21AM HELP US TO ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT WE MUST SPEAK FOR THE
09:05:24AM VOICELESS AND CARE FOR THE BROKEN.
09:05:26AM REMIND US THAT IT IS OUR DIFFERENCES -- IN OUR DIFFERENCE
09:05:30AM THAT'S WE ARE STRONGER AND HELP US BUILD BRIDGES ACROSS ALL
09:05:34AM THAT DIVIDES US.
09:05:37AM FINALLY, HELP US TO LEARN FROM THE ANIMALS WHO SHARE OUR
09:05:40AM HOMES TO FIND JOY IN OUR SIMPLE BLESSINGS, TO BE PRESENT IN
09:05:43AM EACH MOMENT, AND TO LOVE WITHOUT LIMITS.
09:05:46AM HEAR OUR HUMBLE PRAYER AND PLEASE GUIDE US IN OUR SERVICE.
09:05:49AM AMEN.
09:05:50AM >> AMEN.
09:05:53AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:06:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE BE SEATED.
09:06:06AM ROLL CALL.
09:06:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:06:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:06:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:06:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:06:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:06:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:06:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:06:20AM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:06:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:06:25AM MR. MASSEY.
09:06:26AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
09:06:27AM THIS IS THE JULY 28, 2022 MEETING OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY
09:06:34AM COUNCIL HELD THIRD FLOOR AT 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
09:06:40AM THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING IN PERSON OR VIEW
09:06:44AM IT CABLE TELEVISION 640 OR FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 OR VIA THE
09:06:49AM INTERNET, WWW.TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
09:06:54AM THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING DURING
09:06:56AM PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER
09:07:00AM EITHER HERE IN PERSON IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR VIRTUALLY
09:07:04AM BY WAY OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
09:07:08AM THE USE OF CMT DOES REQUIRE PREREGISTRATION FROM THE CITY
09:07:13AM CLERK'S OFFICE.
09:07:13AM DIRECTION OF PREREGISTRATION IS NOTED IN THE MEETING AND ON
09:07:17AM THE AGENDA.
09:07:18AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN QUASI-JUDICIAL
09:07:22AM MATTERS BY CMT BUT SMARTPHONES AND CELL PHONES ARE NOT
09:07:26AM COMPATIBLE BECAUSE NOT ALLOW YOUR CAMERA ACCESS WHEN
09:07:30AM CONNECTED.
09:07:30AM YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACT WITH A TABLET OR COMPUTER WITH A CAMERA
09:07:35AM AND MICROPHONE TO ENABLE YOU TO BE SEEN AND HEARD BY CITY
09:07:39AM COUNCIL AND ALL OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL
09:07:42AM MATTER.
09:07:42AM SINCE WE HAVE A LARGE CROWD, MAKE SURE YOUR CELL PHONES ARE
09:07:45AM ON SILENT.
09:07:46AM KEEP THE CHATTER DOWN, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
09:07:49AM A MOTION WAIVING CITY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES BY CMT
09:07:56AM CITIZENS.
09:07:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:07:59AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:08:00AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:08:01AM THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, MR. MASSEY.
09:08:05AM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE A LOT OF CHANGES TO OUR
09:08:07AM AGENDA.
09:08:07AM WE WILL BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH THOSE AT THIS TIME JUST TO MAKE
09:08:10AM SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
09:08:11AM TODAY WE HAVE SOME WALK-ONES WHICH WE WILL TAKE.
09:08:19AM SENATOR CRUZ WILL BE FIRST -- BUT NOT RIGHT NOW -- SENATOR
09:08:22AM CRUZ, SORRY.
09:08:23AM WE HAVE WALK-ON ITEMS.
09:08:26AM THE FIRST WALK-ON ITEM FILE NO. 2022-48.
09:08:32AM REBECCA JOHNS WILL GO NUMBER TWO.
09:08:34AM AFTER THAT AND THEN MISS AUSTIN IS GOING TO COME ON AND WE
09:08:39AM ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT OUR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
09:08:42AM IS THAT FINE WITH YOU, MISS AUSTIN?
09:08:45AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:08:45AM LET'S GO TO THE STAFF AGENDA.
09:08:50AM AND THAT WILL BE -- SORRY, MISS AUSTIN WILL BE WITH THE
09:08:55AM ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE WITH THOSE.
09:08:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE STATE REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART
09:09:01AM IF WE CAN FIT HER IN.
09:09:02AM SHE HAS TO GET IN A PLANE BY 10:30.
09:09:05AM IF WE CAN MAKE AN ACCOMMODATION FOR HER, SIR.
09:09:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:09:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT THAT.
09:09:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:09:13AM SHE SHOULD HAVE TIME TO MAKE IT OVER WHERE SHE HAS TO GO.
09:09:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
09:09:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:09:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:09:23AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:09:24AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:09:27AM LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.
09:09:30AM NUMBER 4.
09:09:32AM YES, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT ONE.
09:09:33AM NUMBER 5, YES, BECAUSE BRAD BAIRD WILL BE ALSO ASKING FOR A
09:09:38AM FEW THINGS.
09:09:38AM NUMBER 6.
09:09:42AM I DO HEAR A YES TO KEEP CHIEF O'CONNOR HERE FOR THAT?
09:09:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE THAT.
09:09:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HE IS NOT HERE --
09:09:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE IS RIGHT THERE.
09:09:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:09:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: I AM SORRY.
09:09:57AM WHAT WAS THAT?
09:09:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WAS FOR CHIEF O'CONNOR TO APPEAR.
09:10:01AM THAT WAS YOUR MOTION.
09:10:04AM MONETARY SUPPORT FOR VICTIMS OF --
09:10:07AM >>LUIS VIERA: OH, YEAH.
09:10:09AM AND IT WASN'T -- IF I MAY, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY -- JUST A
09:10:14AM REPRESENTATIVE FROM TPD IS FINE.
09:10:16AM WHOEVER.
09:10:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
09:10:19AM THANK YOU.
09:10:19AM ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE NUMBER 7.
09:10:24AM THAT WAS ALSO YOUR MOTION.
09:10:26AM YES, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THAT ONE?
09:10:28AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA OR COUNCILMAN GUDES,
09:10:31AM WHICHEVER.
09:10:31AM NUMBER 8?
09:10:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:10:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NUMBER 9?
09:10:36AM >> YES.
09:10:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 10?
09:10:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
09:10:41AM THAT WILL BE FINE.
09:10:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 11.
09:10:44AM >> YES.
09:10:45AM CITIZENS.
09:10:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND 12?
09:10:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:10:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 13?
09:10:55AM >> YES.
09:10:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 14?
09:10:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD SAY WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE
09:10:59AM THAT ITEM.
09:11:01AM LET'S CONTINUE IT TO AUGUST 25 THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL SESSION
09:11:12AM THAT IS NOT NEXT WEEK UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:11:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:11:16AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:11:18AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:11:19AM THANK YOU.
09:11:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER.
09:11:24AM WE KEEP CONTINUING IT.
09:11:25AM WE WILL CONTINUE IT AGAIN.
09:11:27AM ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE?
09:11:30AM OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE?
09:11:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS UNDER OUR CITY COUNTY ATTORNEY
09:11:37AM MARTIN SHELBY.
09:11:37AM MARTIN SHELBY HAS TAKEN THE DAY OFF TODAY.
09:11:40AM THAT HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED WITH HIM SINCE HE WILL BE THE LEAD
09:11:45AM ON THAT WHEN HE RETURNS.
09:11:46AM NUMBER 16.
09:11:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE TO DISCUSS.
09:11:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
09:11:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE DON'T NEED A FACILITATOR OR MARTY.
09:12:00AM WE NEED A DISCUSSION AMONG OURSELVES AND DIRECT LEGAL TO
09:12:03AM DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT WILL GO ON THE BALLOT.
09:12:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S CONTINUE 13 AND 14 TO AUGUST 25 SO
09:12:14AM IT IS TOGETHER.
09:12:14AM I APOLOGIZE.
09:12:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AUGUST 25.
09:12:18AM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:12:20AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:12:21AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:12:28AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: ITEM 15, THAT IS MR. SHELBY'S ITEM AS WELL.
09:12:31AM I CAN CIRCULATE THE CURRENT RESOLUTION THAT CREATES THAT
09:12:35AM COMMITTEE SO YOU ALL CAN LOOK AT IT.
09:12:37AM IF YOU WANT A DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK, YOU DO HAVE A REGULAR
09:12:40AM MEETING NEXT WEEK.
09:12:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
09:12:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:12:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:12:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
09:12:50AM JUST ON 16 THAT WE -- THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THAT ITEM AND IF --
09:12:57AM WE COULD PUT IT AT THE END OF THE DAY AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE
09:12:59AM WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME WE CAN PUT IN MORE TIME.
09:13:02AM WE WILL NOT HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR MARTY'S ADVICE.
09:13:05AM BUT COME UP WITH THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE LEGAL TO DRAFT.
09:13:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST -- LET'S TALK
09:13:12AM ABOUT IT.
09:13:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE IS A AUGUST 23 DEADLINE.
09:13:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE IT ON A CITY
09:13:19AM COLLECTION.
09:13:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALWAYS ON A CITY ELECTION.
09:13:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY.
09:13:26AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE WORKSHOPS AND DISCUSSIONS -- YOU COULD
09:13:28AM HAVE IT SO ANY CHANGES TO THE CHARTER YOU WOULD LIKE TO
09:13:31AM PROPOSE WILL BE PLACED ON THE SPRING BALLOT, THE CITY
09:13:35AM ELECTION BALLOT.
09:13:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO HIT THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
09:13:39AM WE HAVE TIME.
09:13:40AM NUMBER 13, THAT DOESN'T RELY ON MARTY.
09:13:44AM CITY STAFF SAYS THEY HAVE INSURANCE FOR US AND OBVIOUSLY
09:13:47AM THEY DON'T.
09:13:48AM WE NEED TO FIND A REPLACEMENT.
09:13:49AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT MECHANISM WE NEED TO FIND A REPLACEMENT
09:13:52AM BUT LEAVING IT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF A POLITICAL APPOINTEE
09:13:57AM DOES NO THE WORK.
09:13:58AM THEY ARE LEAVING US OUT TO HANG.
09:13:59AM 13 -- WE WILL DISCUSS WHEN WE GET TO 13.
09:14:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE JUST MADE A MOTION.
09:14:04AM WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESCIND YOUR MOTION, COUNCILMAN
09:14:07AM MANISCALCO.
09:14:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU ARE READY TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY,
09:14:10AM I WILL RESCIND THE MOTION.
09:14:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL RESCIND MY SECOND.
09:14:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL LEAVE 13 ON THE AGENDA.
09:14:20AM DOES THAT CLEAR UP STAFF REPORTS.
09:14:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE HAVE SOME THINGS FROM CONSENT THAT
09:14:25AM ARE GOING TO COME UP TO STAFF.
09:14:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR --
09:14:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT ITEM NUMBER 43.
09:14:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HANG ON ONE SECOND, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:14:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN PULLED?
09:14:44AM OKAY, GREAT.
09:14:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THOSE THINGS ARE FINE.
09:14:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM 70 ALREADY I AM NOT PULLING IT BUT
09:14:50AM WHEN WE COME TO IT --
09:14:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT IS THE FERRY SERVICE.
09:14:55AM I -- I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SEEING IT WHEN IT WAS OPERATING
09:14:59AM BEFORE HERE.
09:14:59AM AND I DON'T SUPPORT THAT.
09:15:02AM BY JUST WANT TO TELL YOU AHEAD.
09:15:04AM I AM NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO PULL IT OR ANYTHING.
09:15:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ITEM 70.
09:15:09AM A SUBSTITUTE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED ANYWAY.
09:15:12AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
09:15:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE A LOT OF DEEP ISSUE WITH A LOT OF
09:15:17AM BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
09:15:18AM SOME OF THE PUBLIC HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ENOUGH NOTICE TO
09:15:23AM REVIEW.
09:15:23AM BUT NUMBER 43 AND 44 ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
09:15:27AM PUBLIC IS VERY MUCH AGAINST THESE.
09:15:30AM WE CAN SPEND A LONG TIME TALKING ABOUT THESE TODAY, BUT AN
09:15:34AM IMPORTANT MEETING ON FRIDAY WHERE THE WATER DEPARTMENT WAS
09:15:37AM SUPPOSE TO MEET WITH THE CONSTITUENTS, FRIENDS OF THE RIVER
09:15:41AM AND SIERRA CLUB.
09:15:42AM THAT MEETING WAS CANCELLED AND SIERRA CLUB IS IN THE DARK
09:15:45AM AND THEY WILL GIVE FEEDBACK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT BUT THEY
09:15:48AM HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO FULLY STUD TEST.
09:15:51AM I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE 43 AND 44 UNTIL SEPTEMBER
09:15:55AM 15.
09:15:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:15:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:16:00AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:16:03AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:16:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:16:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:16:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:16:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:16:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:16:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:16:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:16:20AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:16:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:16:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE AGENDA.
09:16:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:16:30AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:16:32AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:16:34AM MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:16:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.
09:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, DID YOU VOTE.
09:16:42AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK COUNCILMAN VIERA --
09:16:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH HIS AUDIO.
09:16:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE TOUGH TO HEAR YOU.
09:16:56AM I.T., CAN YOU RAISE THE VOLUME?
09:16:59AM GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.
09:17:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: I VOTED ON THAT.
09:17:03AM I VOTED YES.
09:17:04AM IF EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME.
09:17:05AM JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AND I RELEASED A MEMO TO COUNCIL.
09:17:09AM I TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID.
09:17:11AM SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE RIGHT NOW.
09:17:13AM I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO GO TO CEREMONIAL AND PUBLIC
09:17:16AM COMMENT.
09:17:16AM I HAVE SOME THINGS I HAVE TO DO FOR MY HEALTH RIGHT NOW SO I
09:17:19AM WILL BE BACK EITHER DURING THE MIDDLE OF PUBLIC COMMENT OR
09:17:22AM AFTER.
09:17:22AM I JUST WANT TO BE HERE FOR MOST OF THE VOTING ITEMS.
09:17:25AM SO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION.
09:17:28AM IF I AM NOT ON, IT IS BECAUSE I AM TAKING CARE OF SOMETHING.
09:17:31AM SO JUST FYI, THANK YOU.
09:17:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:17:36AM SENATOR CRUZ.
09:17:37AM >> HI, REBECCA JOHNS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
09:17:51AM THIS IS THE FIRST WALK-ON RESOLUTION.
09:17:53AM THIS IS WHERE YOU WANTED TO TAKE IT.
09:17:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
09:17:56AM YES, MA'AM.
09:17:58AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: SO THE STATE LEGISLATURE EARLIER THIS YEAR
09:18:02AM HAD PURSUANT TO THEIR AUTHORITY DESIGNATED A PORTION OF
09:18:07AM COLUMBUS MAXIMINO CAPDEVILA ROAD AS AN HONORARY DESIGNATION.
09:18:15AM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING
09:18:17AM THAT.
09:18:17AM AND THAT DIRECTS D.O.T. TO ERECT MARKERS ON COLUMBUS AVENUE.
09:18:23AM SO THE HONORABLE SENATOR JANET CRUZ IS HERE TO PRESENT AND
09:18:29AM EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
09:18:31AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: AS SENATOR CRUZ COMES UP, SINCE THIS IS AN
09:18:35AM ITEM YOU ARE VOTING ON, ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO
09:18:38AM WISHES TO COMMENT ON THE RESOLUTION SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO
09:18:40AM COMMENT BEFORE YOU ALL VOTE.
09:18:42AM >> GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS AND MOST OF YOU ARE FRIENDS THAT I
09:18:46AM HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME.
09:18:47AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WELCOME.
09:18:49AM I HAVEN'T HAD THE HONOR OF MEETING YOU YET.
09:18:52AM I ALSO SEE A LOT OF FIRST RESPONDERS HERE.
09:18:54AM AND I FEEL VERY SAFE IN THE CHAMBERS RIGHT NOW.
09:18:57AM THEY ARE HERE FOR ANY KIND OF SALARY INCREASE, YOU HAVE MY
09:19:01AM PERMISSION.
09:19:01AM I AM HAPPY TO AMEND ANYTHING THAT WILL HELP IT.
09:19:04AM SO, THANK YOU.
09:19:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN YOU WORK IT INTO YOUR BUDGET THIS YEAR?
09:19:08AM >> EXACTLY.
09:19:09AM EXACTLY.
09:19:09AM I'M HERE TO HONOR SOME FRIENDS AND MOST OF US WHO HAVE BEEN
09:19:12AM HERE FOR SEVERAL GENERATIONS KNOW FAMILIES THAT CAME OVER,
09:19:16AM DIDN'T SPEAK ANY ENGLISH, AND WENT TO WORK.
09:19:20AM AND THE MAXIMINO CAPDEVILA FAMILY, THEY IMMIGRATED FROM CUBA
09:19:27AM TO THE UNITED STATES ON THE FREEDOM FLIGHT TO MIAMI.
09:19:30AM THEY WERE FLEEING CUBA LIKE SO MANY OTHERS FOR A BETTER LIFE
09:19:36AM FOR THEIR BOYS AFTER FIDEL CASTRO AND COMMUNISM TOOK OVER.
09:19:41AM EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH AND HAD NO TIES IN
09:19:44AM TAMPA, MAXIMINO AND GOLINA CAPDEVILA.
09:19:57AM THEY KNEW THEY COULD HAVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.
09:20:00AM SETTLED IN TAMPA WITH FOUR BOYS, GOOD MORNING -- JORGE, BUT
09:20:05AM WE CALLED HIM GEORGE, ALBERT. LOUIS AND MAXY JR.
09:20:14AM AND AFTER SAVING THEIR MONEY THEY DECIDED TO OPEN THEIR OWN
09:20:18AM BUSINESS AND BOUGHT THEIR OWN STOREFRONT LA TERESITA
09:20:24AM GROCERY.
09:20:24AM A JOY ON SATURDAY MORNINGS AS A VERY YOUNG CHILD TO GO TO LA
09:20:31AM TERESITA -- GO BACK TO THE BUTCHER SHOP.
09:20:33AM ALL THESE GUYS -- ALL THESE BOYS WORKED SATURDAYS.
09:20:36AM NOTHING ELSE THAT THEY DID BUT WORK.
09:20:38AM THERE WAS NO -- NO, YOU KNOW, SPORTS OR ANYTHING.
09:20:41AM THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR SUPPORTING THEIR FAMILIES.
09:20:44AM SO IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE -- IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE MEAT
09:20:48AM DEPARTMENT IN THE BACK OF THE STORE, THESE FOUR GUYS WERE
09:20:51AM BACK THERE.
09:20:52AM IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE JOY TO BUY YOUR MEAT BECAUSE THEY ARE
09:20:55AM KIDDING WITH EACH OTHER.
09:20:57AM HER KID WITH EVERY WOMAN THAT COMES IN.
09:20:59AM AND THEY ARE LAUGHING.
09:21:01AM IT IS SUCH A GOOD AND POSITIVE EXPERIENCE.
09:21:04AM THESE PEOPLE WORKED VERY HARD AND NEVER LOST THEIR SENSE OF
09:21:07AM HUMOR AND THEIR SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
09:21:11AM AND THIS FAMILY AND THE BOYS AND THE FAITH IN GOD WENT ON TO
09:21:15AM WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THE AMERICAN DREAM A REALITY.
09:21:18AM SO MANY OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE SUCCESS CAME WITH A
09:21:22AM BIG PRICE.
09:21:23AM THEY WORKED, AS I SAID BEFORE, FROM 7:00 IN THE MORNING
09:21:27AM UNTIL 11:00 AT NIGHT.
09:21:29AM 365 TE AS YEAR YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.
09:21:33AM BUT THE FRUITS OF THE CAPDEVILAS LABOR GREW AND THE SMALL
09:21:41AM STORE BECAME A SUPERMARKET WITH FISH AND BEEF MARKET AND
09:21:46AM COFFEE SHOP WITH A LARGE CUSTOMER BASE.
09:21:48AM SOON THE RESTAURANT SEATING WAS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO MEET THE
09:21:51AM CUSTOMERS' DEMAND AND THE FAMILY MADE THE DECISION TO BUY
09:21:57AM THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUPERMARKET AND A
09:21:59AM SMALL RESTAURANT AND COFFEE SHOP.
09:22:01AM WE ALL SAT AT THAT COUNTER IN THE MORNING AND HAD A
09:22:05AM WONDERFUL CUP OF CAFE CON LECHE AND VISITED WITH MANY
09:22:10AM FRIENDS.
09:22:10AM IT IS A WEST TAMPA LANDMARK.
09:22:12AM LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WEST TAMPA.
09:22:14AM IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, IT WILL ALWAYS BE WEST TAMPA.
09:22:18AM IT IS NOT MIDTOWN.
09:22:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOPE.
09:22:20AM >> IT IS WEST TAMPA.
09:22:22AM THAT IS ALL.
09:22:24AM LA TERESITA SERVES THOUSANDS WEEKLY AND HONORED TO HOST
09:22:32AM AND SERVE PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES, GOVERNORS,
09:22:39AM MAYORS, ALL CULTURES AND ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
09:22:43AM AND THIS FAMILY'S SUCCESS CONTINUE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY
09:22:46AM AND THE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH GREAT FOOD AND
09:22:49AM AN EVEN BETTER ATMOSPHERE.
09:22:52AM THE CAPDEVILAS ARE A PERFECT UP EXAMPLE OF OPPORTUNITY.
09:22:59AM YOU CAN FLEE EVILS OF COMMUNISM.
09:23:02AM COME TO A FOREIGN LAND WITH NOTHING AND CREATE A BLOSSOMING
09:23:05AM BUSINESS AND ENJOY FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.
09:23:07AM IT IS FOR THE CAPDEVILAS AND OTHER HARDWORKING FAMILIES THAT
09:23:14AM I ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE SUPPORT A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING A
09:23:19AM PORTION OF COLUMBUS DRIVE AS MAXIMINO CAPDEVILA ROAD.
09:23:22AM AND THAT IS -- THAT IS ALL, COUNCILMEN.
09:23:27AM I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE FAMILY WITH THE PERMISSION OF
09:23:30AM THE COUNCIL, LET THEM MAKE COMMENTS.
09:23:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:23:34AM >> A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.
09:23:35AM I HAVE KNOWN MANY OF YOU FOR MANY YEARS AND WE THANK YOU FOR
09:23:38AM YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
09:23:40AM AND IT IS AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT MY DAD AT THIS
09:23:43AM HOUR.
09:23:44AM DAD HAS BEEN 11 YEARS GONE.
09:23:46AM BUT THE LEGACY CONTINUES NOW INTO THE THIRD GENERATION.
09:23:50AM SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
09:23:54AM >> WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BEING HERE.
09:23:57AM WE APPRECIATE THE HONOR THAT YOU ALL PLACE ON MY DAD.
09:24:01AM AND HIS DILIGENCE AND HEARD WORK.
09:24:05AM MY DAD AND MY MOM.
09:24:07AM SO WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL, HONORED AND HUMBLED.
09:24:10AM THANK YOU.
09:24:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:24:15AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:24:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING THE AMERICAN
09:24:18AM DREAM AND REMINDING US ALL OF THE KEY VALUES THAT WE ALL
09:24:21AM NEEDS TO WORK TOWARD AND PROTECT.
09:24:22AM AND THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PLACES
09:24:26AM TO HAVE THE IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS OF TAMPA.
09:24:27AM ALL THE IMPORTANT BUSINESS GOES ON THERE.
09:24:29AM SO THANK YOU.
09:24:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:24:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SENATOR CRUZ FOR SPEARHEADING
09:24:38AM THIS AND HOSTS A WONDERFUL FAMILY.
09:24:41AM YOUR FATHER'S PHOTO HANGS UP IN THE RESTAURANT.
09:24:44AM I SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
09:24:45AM I HAVE BEEN THERE ALL THE TIME.
09:24:47AM I HAVE BEEN GOING FOR YEARS TO THE WEST TAMPA LANDMARK.
09:24:51AM THERE WAS A WOMAN THAT TOOK CARE OF MY SISTER AND I AS WE
09:24:54AM GREW UP RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
09:24:56AM MY ENTIRE CHILDHOOD WAS PASSING BY THE ORIGINAL LA TERESITA
09:25:03AM RESTAURANT AND I REMEMBER SEEING THE NEW ONE CONSTRUCTED.
09:25:06AM I IS IT NOT MEET YOUR PARENTS.
09:25:07AM MY MOTHER KNEW THEM.
09:25:09AM MY GRANDPARENTS KNEW THEM.
09:25:11AM THEY EMBODIED THE AMERICAN DREAM AND THEY SAY THE SAME
09:25:16AM THING, HOW HARD TO RAISE YOU AND YOUR BROTHERS.
09:25:19AM AND WHAT A WONDERFUL FAMILY YOU ARE.
09:25:21AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO WEST TAMPA.
09:25:23AM YOU ARE A BELOVED FAMILY.
09:25:24AM CONGRATULATIONS HONORING YOUR FATHER AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:25:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:25:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO ECHO THE OTHER COUNCILMEN AND
09:25:33AM SAYING CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.
09:25:34AM YOUR RESTAURANT HAS BEEN A LANDMARK.
09:25:37AM WHEN I WAS A SMALL CHILD, I DO REMEMBER GOING.
09:25:40AM AND WHEN I MOVED BACK TO TAMPA, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
09:25:43AM PLACES I WENT.
09:25:44AM IT IS AN ICONIC SPOT.
09:25:47AM ACTUALLY I HAVE -- MY FAMILY IS FROM MIAMI.
09:25:50AM AND MOST OF THEM HAVE LEFT, SO WHEN THEY COME VISIT ME IN
09:25:54AM TAMPA, THAT IS WHERE I TAKE THEM, BECAUSE IT REMINDS THEM OF
09:25:57AM THE GREAT FOOD THAT THEY CAN'T GET ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF TAMPA
09:26:03AM AND MIAMI.
09:26:03AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.
09:26:05AM PETITION REALLY APPRECIATE THE -- AND HOPE THAT IT STAYS A
09:26:10AM LANDMARK FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME.
09:26:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:26:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR YOU AND YOUR
09:26:19AM FAMILY FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:26:21AM THE SERVICE YOU HAVE GIVEN TO ORGANIZATIONS WHEN THEY NEED
09:26:25AM DONATIONS AND FOOD.
09:26:26AM I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MY FAVORITE DISH IS THE LIVER AND
09:26:29AM ONIONS.
09:26:30AM THAT'S WHERE I GO.
09:26:32AM MOST PEOPLE DON'T SELL THAT OR EVEN LIKE THAT, BUT I AM GLAD
09:26:36AM WE HAVE A PLACE THAT I CAN GO EAT THAT.
09:26:38AM THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS TODAY.
09:26:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW I CAN FOLLOW THE LIVER
09:26:43AM THING.
09:26:44AM BUT -- [LAUGHTER] -- YOU EITHER EAT IT OR RUN AWAY FROM
09:26:47AM IT, ONE OF THE TWO.
09:26:48AM BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR FAMILY.
09:26:52AM I HAVE KNOWN YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER WAY BACK.
09:26:55AM THEY LIVED A BLOCK WHERE I LIVED.
09:26:57AM THEY WERE WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS AND WONDERFUL PEOPLE.
09:26:59AM I KNOW AT TIMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GROCERY STORE WAS
09:27:02AM THERE, SOMETIMES SOMEBODY WAS A LITTLE SHORT, AND THEY JUST
09:27:05AM MARKED IT DOWN ON THE BOOK AND A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER THEY
09:27:08AM CAME AND CAUGHT UP.
09:27:09AM SO IT'S A WONDERFUL THING TO SEE THAT PEOPLE THAT COME TO
09:27:14AM THIS COUNTRY CAN DO SO WELL.
09:27:16AM THEY DID IT FOR RUN REASON ONLY, PAUSE THEY WANTED TO.
09:27:20AM THEY SACRIFICED THEIR YOUTH AND THEIR MIDDLE AGE TO HAVE A
09:27:25AM FAMILY AND CREATE A BUSINESS THAT WAS ICON I CAN IN THE CITY
09:27:32AM OF TAMPA.
09:27:32AM YOU LOOK AT CAPDEVILA AND VIZCAYA, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS
09:27:39AM 260 MILES.
09:27:39AM BECAUSE YOU HAVE OF THE NAME ELEMENTO, THE SAME CROWD.
09:27:44AM IT IS AN ICON AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR
09:27:48AM WHAT YOU DO.
09:27:50AM YOU AND YOUR BROTHERS.
09:27:50AM THANK YOU.
09:27:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU KNOW GOING TO LA TERESITA.
09:27:55AM FOOD IS GREAT.
09:27:56AM I GO FOR THE FOOD.
09:27:57AM I STAY FOR THE CONVERSATION.
09:27:59AM USUALLY THERE IS MORE POLITICS THERE THAN THERE IS IN THIS
09:28:03AM CHAMBER.
09:28:04AM AND THE PERSON WHO WINS THE CONVERSATION IS THE PERSON WHO
09:28:07AM SPEAKS THE LOUDEST GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU.
09:28:15AM THANK YOUR FAMILY.
09:28:16AM AND FINALLY WE CAN HAVE A PORTION OF COLUMBUS NO LONGER
09:28:19AM CALLED BOLICHE BOULEVARD.
09:28:22AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:28:24AM IS THERE ANYBODY IN THIS CHAMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO
09:28:28AM THIS TODAY?
09:28:40AM PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
09:28:42AM >> I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ASPECT OF HONORING THESE MEN
09:28:46AM AND THEIR FAMILY.
09:28:47AM I DON'T KNOW ANY -- ANY OF THEM AT ALL.
09:28:49AM AND THE WAY THEY ARE ADDRESSED -- CITIZENS.
09:28:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE YOUR NAME FOR THE SURE.
09:28:57AM >> MALIK ABDELA.
09:29:03AM THE WAY THEY ARE ADDRESSED AND GIVEN THIS HONOR HERE, I
09:29:06AM WOULD LIKE FOR THE AGENDA OF BLACK AMERICA TO BE GIVEN THE
09:29:09AM SAME ACCORD.
09:29:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
09:29:15AM DONE IN WEST TAMPA.
09:29:17AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAMILY.
09:29:21AM AND ENJOY THIS HONOR.
09:29:24AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:29:24AM GOD BLESS YOU.
09:29:26AM >> WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK SENATOR CRUZ FOR SUPPORTING US.
09:29:29AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:29:30AM >> MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO LET'S YOU KNOW THAT THE NEXT
09:29:34AM STEP IS F.D.O.T. AND PREPARATION OF THE SIGN AND THE SIGN
09:29:39AM CEREMONY.
09:29:39AM AND MYSELF, ALONG WITH THE CAPDEVILA FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO
09:29:44AM INVITE YOU TO JOIN US FOR THE UNVEILING OF THE SIGN AND
09:29:47AM PROBABLY LUNCH AFTERWARDS, RIGHT?
09:29:49AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:29:50AM >> PLEASE JOIN US.
09:29:51AM ALSO I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE AND LET
09:29:55AM EVERYONE KNOW THAT A FEW YEARS AGO, I DID DO A ROAD NAMING
09:29:58AM FOR THE PUBLISHER OF THE FLORIDA SENTINELS, MR. ANDREWS.
09:30:02AM THAT SIGN IS ALREADY UP IN EAST TAMPA AND WE CELEBRATED THAT
09:30:05AM SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
09:30:06AM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:30:10AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:30:11AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:30:13AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:14AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:30:15AM GOD BLESS.
09:30:16AM >> THANK YOU.
09:30:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OH, YES.
09:30:22AM [APPLAUSE]
09:30:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: REPRESENTATIVE HART.
09:30:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:30:44AM THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
09:30:45AM I DO HAVE A TRIP AS YOU KNOW.
09:30:47AM LEGISLATORS STAY WITH USE ALL THE TIME.
09:30:49AM EVEN DURING THE ELECTION PERIOD AND I AM ALREADY ELECTED, SO
09:30:52AM I AM ON THE GROUND REALLY RUNNING.
09:30:54AM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:55AM I JUST --
09:30:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: REPRESENTATIVE, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
09:31:01AM BUT FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:31:03AM >> REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART.
09:31:06AM YOU NO LONGER GIVE ADDRESSES.
09:31:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS GOOD.
09:31:09AM >> WE USED TO GIVE AN ADDRESS TOO.
09:31:11AM IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.
09:31:12AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LISTENS AUDIENCE AND THE PEOPLE
09:31:16AM HERE IN THE CHAMBER UNDERSTAND I AM NOT HERE TO TOO I TO
09:31:20AM PREEMPT ANYTHING THAT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS DOING.
09:31:22AM I WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT I UNDERSTAND
09:31:26AM THAT THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS.
09:31:28AM MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT BE WOULD HAVE CALLED FOR A CRISIS OUT
09:31:31AM OF TALLAHASSEE.
09:31:32AM BEING THAT IS NOT HAPPENED, BECAUSE IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN,
09:31:37AM THEN MY ATTORNEY GENERAL CAN STEP IN AND STOP SOME OF THE
09:31:40AM PRICE GOUGING THAT IS GOING ON RIGHT HERE IN OUR CITY.
09:31:43AM AND YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT PROBABLY AS WELL AS ANYBODY.
09:31:46AM BUT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.
09:31:49AM SO I PERSONALLY, AS A CITIZEN WHO LIVES HERE IN THE CITY,
09:31:53AM NOT AS REPRESENTATIVE, BUT JUST AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I AM
09:31:56AM LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU ALL MOVING SOMETHING.
09:31:59AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
09:32:00AM I WATCHED YOU ALL LAST WEEK.
09:32:02AM I KNOW THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING
09:32:05AM SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT THAT WOULD HELP WITH RENT
09:32:07AM STABILIZATION.
09:32:08AM I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THERE.
09:32:11AM I AM NOT GOING TO TRY TO TELL YOU HOW TO GET THERE.
09:32:13AM BUT I AM ASKING YOU ALL, PLEASE, WE MUST CONSIDER THAT EVERY
09:32:17AM SINGLE DAY PEOPLE ARE GOING HOMELESS.
09:32:19AM I RUN AN ORGANIZATION IN EAST TAMPA BUSINESS CIVIC
09:32:23AM ASSOCIATION WHICH IS A HOUSING ORGANIZATION.
09:32:25AM MY PHONE CALLS HAVE TRIPLED FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
09:32:29AM GOING HOMELESS DUE TO THIS RENT -- THESE RENT INCREASES.
09:32:34AM AND THE INABILITY TO FIND SOMEWHERE DECENT TO LIVE.
09:32:38AM MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE WORKED WITH US, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
09:32:42AM HOW WE BETTER SOME OF THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WE HAVE
09:32:46AM IN OUR CITY.
09:32:47AM IT GOES BACK TO SENATOR CRUZ AND I TO GO BACK TO TALLAHASSEE
09:32:51AM TO IMPRESS UPON THEM HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO ALLOW YOU ALL ON
09:32:55AM THE LOCAL LEVEL WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PEOPLE TO BE
09:32:58AM ABLE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE
09:33:01AM OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE.
09:33:02AM AND OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT GETTING IT DONE.
09:33:04AM BUT I ALSO WANT TO STAY TO YOU ALL, I WILL GO BACK TO
09:33:09AM TALLAHASSEE AND FIGHT AS HARD AS I CAN TO INCREASING FOR
09:33:14AM THE SADOWSKY HOUSE FUND.
09:33:17AM I KNOW THOSE DOLLARS ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS CITY AND ANY
09:33:19AM OTHER DOLLARS WE CAN GET.
09:33:21AM YOU ALL KNOW WE PUT FORTH MONEY FOR OUR FIRST -- YOU KNOW,
09:33:26AM PRIMARY, POLICE, TEACHERS, THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE WITH THOSE
09:33:32AM JOBS, BUT WE KNOW THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW HOMELESS
09:33:36AM WITH NO JOBS SINCE COVID STILL NEEDS THAT SAME LEVEL OF
09:33:40AM HEALTH.
09:33:40AM I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU OFFER IT, BUT I AM ASKING YOU AS A
09:33:44AM CITIZEN, NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE, TO LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE
09:33:48AM GET SOMETHING DONE FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
09:33:51AM THEY ARE SUFFERING.
09:33:52AM THEY REALLY ARE SUFFERING.
09:33:54AM AND I JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU ALL, I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING
09:33:57AM ME TO COME BEFORE YOU.
09:33:58AM I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN.
09:34:00AM PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT.
09:34:03AM I WILL, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE, DO WHATEVER I CAN TO CARRY
09:34:08AM FORTH ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL THINK WE CAN DO FOR YOU IN
09:34:14AM TALLAHASSEE.
09:34:14AM THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.
09:34:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:34:20AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:34:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU OFFLINE INDIVIDUALLY.
09:34:25AM OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING REALLY HARD
09:34:28AM TO PUT IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT EFFORTS AND I AM SURE MY
09:34:31AM COLLEAGUES CAN TELL YOU AS WELL.
09:34:32AM WE HAD EIGHT YEARS OF A MAYOR WHO FOR DOWN PUBLIC HOUSING
09:34:36AM AND FOR DOWN AFFORDABLE HOUSING INSTEAD OF INCENTIVIZE IT.
09:34:40AM AND MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS TO CATCH UP ON AND BEFORE THAT THE
09:34:44AM GREAT RECESSION.
09:34:44AM WE ARE TRYING TO REVERSE THOSE POLICIES THE LAST FEW YEARS.
09:34:48AM TO MY RECOLLECTION WITH DECLARED A HOUSING STATE IT SHALL
09:34:55AM EXCUSE ME A HOUSING CRISIS AND NOT A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
09:34:58AM AND STATE LAW DEFINES WHAT THAT IS.
09:35:02AM AND WE ARE TOLD BY LEGAL WE HAVE A STUDY TO DO THAT.
09:35:04AM AND A LAW FROM 30, 40 YEARS AGO THAT ESSENTIALLY PROHIBITS
09:35:10AM US FROM HAVING A RENT STABILIZATION.
09:35:13AM LIMITS US TO A REFERENDUM AND 12 MONTHS.
09:35:15AM ECONOMICS 101 TO ME SAY THAT'S WILL BE DEVASTATING FOR
09:35:20AM PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY ABOUT TO GET KICKED OUT OF THEIR
09:35:23AM HOMES.
09:35:23AM YOU KNOW WHAT LANDLORDS ARE GOING TO DO IF THIS HE KNOW THAT
09:35:26AM A 12-MONTH MORATORIUM.
09:35:28AM DOUBLE AND TRIPLE THE RATES EVEN HIGHER AND MORE PEOPLE WILL
09:35:32AM BE KICKED OUT.
09:35:33AM ONE THING THAT I WOULD HIKE TO DO AND CITY COUNCIL WILL
09:35:36AM UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORT, CHANGE THAT LAW THAT PREEMPTS US.
09:35:40AM IF WE CAN CHANGE THAT PREEMPTION, WE CAN DO WHAT EVERYBODY
09:35:43AM IN THE RED SHIRTS WANT US TO DO.
09:35:46AM I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AND WE -- MIGHT
09:35:50AM NOT HAVE THE VOTES IN THE LEGISLATURE, BUT I THINK WHAT I
09:35:52AM WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ALL OF US REDIRECT OUR EFFORTS WITH YOUR
09:35:56AM ADVICE AND LEADERSHIP TO CHANGE THIS LAW IN TALLAHASSEE TO
09:36:01AM ALLOW US TO DO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
09:36:03AM THANK YOU.
09:36:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:36:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RESPECT MY COLLEAGUE AND HIS COMMENTS,
09:36:09AM BUT I HAVE TO DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT.
09:36:11AM THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
09:36:12AM I TOLD THE COMMUNITY I WILL RESEARCH AND GET BACK
09:36:15AM INFORMATION.
09:36:15AM I HAVE INFORMATION OF HOW THIS RELATES TO THE HOUSING CRISIS
09:36:19AM EMERGENCY.
09:36:19AM THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO.
09:36:21AM NEVER SAY WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
09:36:23AM LITTLE BIT LATER I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AND LOOK AT
09:36:25AM INTRODUCING SOMETHING.
09:36:27AM BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
09:36:29AM IT DOESN'T TAKE 18 MONTHS.
09:36:30AM DOESN'T TAKE ALL THIS BIG STUDY.
09:36:32AM A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE BY LOCAL
09:36:35AM MUNICIPALITIES.
09:36:36AM YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WILL AND THE COURAGE JUST TO DO IT.
09:36:40AM JUST TO DO IT.
09:36:41AM PEOPLE TALK OF LEGAL FIGHTS.
09:36:43AM I HAVE BEEN SUED.
09:36:45AM PEOPLE SUE EVERY DAY.
09:36:46AM WE HAVE ATTORNEYS TO FIGHT THOSE LAWSUITS.
09:36:48AM TO ME I LOOK AT HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE
09:36:51AM PEOPLE.
09:36:52AM THEY ELECTED US TO DO A JOB.
09:36:53AM THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE OTHER ISSUES.
09:36:57AM WE HAVE TO FIGHT.
09:36:58AM WHATEVER IS TURNED DOWN WILL BE TURNED DOWN.
09:37:01AM AND I'M TALKING TO SOMETHING LATER ON IN REFERENCE TO TH
09:37:04AM EMERGENCY CRISIS.
09:37:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:37:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:37:08AM I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE.
09:37:10AM I NEVER FORGET ONE DOCTOR TOLD ME AREN'T YOU AFRAID OF
09:37:14AM FALLING.
09:37:14AM I SAID, WOMAN, I AM NOT.
09:37:16AM I AM AFRAID OF LANDING.
09:37:18AM THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT I SEE NOW.
09:37:20AM WHEN YOU GO BACK AND AN ANALYTICAL STUDY WHAT WAS TORN DOWN,
09:37:29AM LET'S FACE IT.
09:37:29AM NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.
09:37:31AM NOT IN GOOD CONDITION PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY.
09:37:34AM AND THE PROBLEM IS ONCE YOU TEAR DOWN AND THE TIME YOU START
09:37:38AM TO BUILD UP, IT TAKES TWO TO THREE YEARS.
09:37:41AM SOMETIMES FOUR YEARS BECAUSE OF ALL THE LOOPHOLES YOU HAVE
09:37:44AM TO GO THROUGH.
09:37:45AM AND THESE THINGS ARE COMING ON BOARD.
09:37:47AM CERTAINLY TAMPA HOUSING HAS DONE THEIR PART.
09:37:50AM THE DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE THEIR PART.
09:37:53AM IN CITY AND GOVERNMENT HAS DONE THEIR PART.
09:37:55AM IT TAKES TIME.
09:37:56AM BUT EVEN THEN, BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY WE HAVE TODAY, THOSE
09:37:59AM THAT ARE GOING RISING OR BEING LEFT OUT, THAT IS THE
09:38:02AM PROBLEM.
09:38:03AM YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IN ITSELF THERE.
09:38:06AM SO BEN YOU HAVE THOSE ITEMS.
09:38:07AM AND YOU HAVE AN INFLATIONARY RATE AND SOMETHING IF THIS CUP
09:38:13AM OF COFFEE SOLD FOR A DIME EIGHT YEARS AGO AND NOW IT IS A
09:38:18AM DOLLAR, WHAT CAUSES THE INDIVIDUALS THAT BUY THAT COMPLEX.
09:38:20AM IF YOU BUY IT AT $8 MILLION OR $10 MILLION AND HAVE IT FOR
09:38:25AM 30 YEARS AND DEPRECIATE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN AND YOU SELL IT
09:38:29AM FOR $40 MILLION.
09:38:32AM WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT.
09:38:34AM I AM NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT, BUT THAT IS THE FACT WE ARE
09:38:37AM DEALING WITH.
09:38:37AM THOSE ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.
09:38:39AM SOMETHING THAT WAS WORTH EIGHT OR TEN NOW WORTH 40.
09:38:43AM BETWEEN THAT IS YOUR RENT INCREASE.
09:38:45AM ALL THE WAY AROUND.
09:38:46AM I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE RIGHT, I AM SAYING THAT IS ONE OF
09:38:49AM THE FACTOR THAT'S I HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN I LOOK AT THESE
09:38:51AM THINGS.
09:38:52AM AND IT JUST -- TIME HEALS WOUNDS.
09:38:59AM BUT WOUNDS DON'T HEAL TIMES.
09:39:03AM A SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN.
09:39:04AM WE ARE TRYING TO HELP AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
09:39:06AM EVEN IF WE START GIVING OUT FUNDS SOMEWHERE TO PERPETUATE
09:39:12AM THE RENT INCREASE.
09:39:16AM THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF IS THIS.
09:39:20AM WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME WILL THE FUNDS LAST.
09:39:22AM WILL THEY LAST FOREVER?
09:39:25AM EVEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT CAN BORROW MONEY AND BE IN
09:39:28AM DEBT, NO CITY GOVERNMENT CAN WORK IN THE RED.
09:39:31AM IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
09:39:32AM YOU NEED A BUDGET THAT MEETS YOUR DEMANDS AND THAT'S WHAT IT
09:39:35AM IS ALL ABOUT.
09:39:36AM I AM NOT HERE TO TALK AND LECTURE ANYONE.
09:39:39AM I DON'T DO THOSE THINGS.
09:39:40AM I AM SAYING THAT REALITY IS REALITY, YOU HAVE TO FACE
09:39:43AM YOURSELF UP -- LOOK AT ARE YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR IN THE
09:39:47AM MORNING AND BE TRUTHFUL WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU.
09:39:50AM GO IN THAT WAY.
09:39:51AM THAT IS HOW I WAS BROUGHT UP.
09:39:52AM YOU MAY CALL ME OLD-FASHIONED AND I TAKE THAT, YOU KNOW
09:39:57AM WHAT, AS AN HONOR BECAUSE YOU AT LEAST RECOGNIZE ME.
09:40:00AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN TALLAHASSEE.
09:40:02AM GOD BLESS YOU AND I KNOW THE ODDS ARE AGAINST YOU BECAUSE
09:40:05AM THE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH.
09:40:07AM THANK YOU.
09:40:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:40:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
09:40:13AM I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU IN ANY REGARD.
09:40:15AM I -- WHAT WE -- I BELIEVE THAT -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
09:40:20AM CAN DO NOW AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ALLUDED TO IT.
09:40:25AM AND I -- AND I SOMEWHAT DISAGREE.
09:40:27AM I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW WITH THE BUDGET WE HAVE, WE DON'T --
09:40:31AM WE HISTORICALLY -- WE TOOK AWAY HOUSING.
09:40:34AM WE DIDN'T HAVE A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT HOUSING SO WE ARE
09:40:37AM TRYING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ACTUALLY BUILD THAT HOUSING
09:40:40AM BACK.
09:40:40AM BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT DO WE DO?
09:40:42AM WE HAVE AN R-MAP PROGRAM TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE BRIDGE THOSE
09:40:48AM GAPS.
09:40:49AM BUT WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS FOR US TO USE THE MONEY THAT WE
09:40:52AM HAVE GAINED THROUGH THE -- THROUGH THESE HISTORIC PROPERTY
09:41:01AM TAX INCREASES TO HAVE MONEY FOR THE PROGRAM.
09:41:04AM UNTIL WE HAVE MORE HOUSING WE NEED TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THE
09:41:07AM HOUSE THAT THEY HAVE.
09:41:08AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.
09:41:11AM NOT AN ANSWER AND CERTAINLY WE CAN'T DO IT FOREVER, BUT
09:41:14AM ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
09:41:17AM AND WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
09:41:18AM BECAUSE -- IT'S -- IT IS THE SAME CRISIS, YOU ARE RIGHT,
09:41:24AM THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS FACING.
09:41:25AM WE ARE VOTING ON GIVING OUR CITY EMPLOYEES TODAY -- WE ARE
09:41:31AM VOTING ON THEIR CONTRACTS.
09:41:32AM AND THESE ARE HISTORICALLY HIGH CONTRACTS BECAUSE OF
09:41:37AM INFLATION AND BECAUSE OF WHAT EVERYONE HAS GONE THROUGH.
09:41:39AM AND WE WANT TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES AND GIVE THEM WHAT WE CAN.
09:41:43AM BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE CITIZENS AND HOW CAN WE HELP THEM?
09:41:47AM WE CAN HELP THEM BY GIVING THIS MONEY THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE
09:41:51AM HAVE GAINED, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE TO HELP KEEP PEOPLE
09:41:55AM IN HOUSING.
09:41:56AM I DON'T DISAGREE WE NEED A TON MORE HOUSING.
09:41:58AM BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THAT IS THE VERY LEAST WE CAN TO DO
09:42:02AM HELP KEEP PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.
09:42:05AM I BELIEVE WE CAN HELP AN ABSOLUTE LARGE NUMBER OF FOLKS.
09:42:10AM WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A HOUSING HOTLINE THAT FOLKS CAN CALL
09:42:14AM TO GET ON THE WAIT LIST.
09:42:15AM BUT WE ALSO NEED -- WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THAT WAIT LIST.
09:42:18AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICATION ARE CORRECT.
09:42:21AM IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SERVED YET, WE NEED FOR TO YOU CALL IN
09:42:24AM AND FIGURE OUT WHAT -- WHAT IS MISSING FROM YOUR
09:42:28AM APPLICATION.
09:42:28AM SO THAT'S WHERE WE COULD PROBABLY WORK TOGETHER WITH YOUR
09:42:33AM OFFICE TO TRY TO GET THOSE APPLICATIONS COMPLETE.
09:42:36AM SO WE CAN SERVE THE POPULATION.
09:42:38AM I KNOW WE HAVE USED HALF OF THE MONEY THAT WE ALLOCATED.
09:42:42AM I KNOW WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY LEFT.
09:42:45AM SO I WOULD -- THAT IS IMMEDIATELY WHERE WE CAN HELP.
09:42:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:42:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:42:53AM THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE HART FOR BEING HERE.
09:42:56AM LAST WEEKENDS, I BUMPED INTO A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY
09:43:00AM FAMILIAR WITH TALLAHASSEE AND THE DISCUSSION OF AFFORDABLE
09:43:04AM HOUSING.
09:43:05AM AND THEY SAID TALLAHASSEE WILL NOT LET YOU FIX THIS, BUT YOU
09:43:09AM HAVE TO USE ALL THE TOOLS IN YOUR TOOLBOX TO DO WHAT YOU CAN
09:43:12AM TO MOVE THE NEEDLE AND HELP THE PEOPLE IN THIS EMERGENCY
09:43:17AM THAT WE HAVE.
09:43:17AM SO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POINT, I WANT TO PARTNER WITH
09:43:21AM YOU, WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU.
09:43:23AM BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN YOU.
09:43:25AM WE KNOW YOU ARE A FIGHTER TO HELP MOVE THE NEEDLE AND MAKE
09:43:29AM CHANGES IN TALLAHASSEE TO BENEFIT ALL FLORIDIANS, INCLUDING
09:43:32AM HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:43:34AM BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION, IF THIS WAS A MENU, WE
09:43:38AM ARE AT THE APPETIZER.
09:43:42AM IF WE DON'T USE ALL THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX WITHIN THE
09:43:46AM LIMITS OF THE LAW AND WITHIN THE LIMITS OF OUR JURISDICTION
09:43:50AM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO EVERYTHING, PREHE THINKS OR WHAT NOT.
09:43:53AM WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN.
09:43:57AM WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE ON THE STREETS THAT ARE TRYING
09:44:00AM TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES.
09:44:01AM WE UNDERSTAND INFLATION AND THE COST OF RENT.
09:44:04AM WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN -- AND COMPASSION.
09:44:14AM WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN.
09:44:16AM WE BELIEVE IN YOUR LEADERSHIP.
09:44:17AM WE BELIEVE IN YOU AND STAND WITH YOU AND YOUR VOICE IS HEARD
09:44:20AM IN TALLAHASSEE AND WE ARE STANDING BEHIND YOU.
09:44:23AM >> THANK YOU.
09:44:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: REPRESENTATIVE HEART.
09:44:26AM THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
09:44:27AM THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US YOUR OPINION.
09:44:29AM WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU WILL BE THE LEADER IN TALLAHASSEE.
09:44:33AM WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN TALLAHASSEE TO LIFT THE
09:44:36AM RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON US.
09:44:38AM BECAUSE WITHOUT YOUR HELP, THINGS LIKE THE SIDOWSKI FUND
09:44:46AM WILL CONTINUE TO BE DRAINED FOR NO GOOD REASON AT ALL.
09:44:49AM THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
09:44:52AM WE NEED YOUR HELP.
09:44:53AM SAFE TRAVELS PLEASE.
09:44:54AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:44:55AM THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS MORNING.
09:44:57AM AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH EACH OF YOU IN WHATEVER WAY
09:45:01AM WE CAN.
09:45:01AM IF YOU HAVE IDEAS, LEGISLATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
09:45:05AM I MEAN, WE SIT THERE, BUT WE ARE NOT THE MAGIC BRAIN THAT
09:45:09AM COME UP WITH ALL THESE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, IT COMES FROM
09:45:12AM PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOURSELF AND PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING HERE IN
09:45:16AM THIS AUDIENCE, THAT IS HOW WE GET BILL LANGUAGE.
09:45:19AM WE HAVE PEOPLE, THAT IS THEIR JOB JUST TO FIGURE IT OUT.
09:45:23AM SO IF YOU ALL HAVE IDEAS, I AM ALWAYS OPEN TO LISTEN AND
09:45:27AM CARRY ANYTHING THAT I CAN.
09:45:29AM I JUST ASK THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER THIS, PLEASE DO USE ALL OF
09:45:34AM YOUR TOOLS IN YOUR TOOLBOX.
09:45:36AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:45:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:45:37AM [APPLAUSE]
09:45:47AM MISS JOHNS.
09:45:47AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: WE ALREADY HEARD MINE.
09:45:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OH, OKAY.
09:46:00AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE THE NEXT WALK-ON.
09:46:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
09:46:06AM WE ARE GOING TO GO TO SERMONIALS NOW.
09:46:08AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: MINE WAS THE ROADWAY DESIGNATION.
09:46:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:46:20AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:46:23AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS LOOKING IN THE AUDIENCE TRYING TO FIND
09:46:36AM BUTCH DELGADO AND I COULDN'T FIND HIM.
09:46:39AM I WAS LOOKING AND LOOKING BECAUSE HE IS NOT WEARING A
09:46:43AM UNIFORM.
09:46:43AM I SHOULD SAYS IT ONLY A FEW TIMES A YEAR THAT WE, THE CITY
09:46:48AM COUNCIL, HAS A CHANCE TO THANK THE MEN AND WOMEN -- A FEW
09:46:52AM MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:46:53AM AND WE SEE IN THE MEDIA SOMETIMES EXCEPTIONAL CASES, BUT WE
09:46:58AM HAVE GOT A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF HARD-WORKING MEN AND WOMEN
09:47:01AM WHO ESPECIALLY WORKED HARD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
09:47:04AM AND I WANT TO THANK THEM
09:47:06AM I AM SURE MY COLLEAGUES WOULD THANK THEM.
09:47:08AM EVERYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD THANK THEM FOR WHAT
09:47:13AM THEY HAVE DONE AND TO GIVE A PLAQUE TO ALL THE PEOPLE
09:47:15AM PROTECTING US EVERY DAY.
09:47:16AM TODAY -- COME ON UP -- I WILL ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL THANK
09:47:21AM BUTCH DELGADO.
09:47:22AM RUBEN DELGADO.
09:47:24AM IT IS CITY COUNCIL TO COMMEND REUBEN DELGADO AFTER 24 YEARS
09:47:30AM OF DEDICATION TO THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OF THE NEARLY
09:47:33AM QUARTER CENTURY SERVICE, YOU SERVED SUPPORT SERVICES,
09:47:37AM CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WHERE YOU PLAYED A CRUCIAL ROLE IN
09:47:41AM CAPTURING THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS SERIAL KILLER IN 2015.
09:47:44AM SAFETY PLANNING FOR SUPER BOWL 55 IN 2021.
09:47:48AM SERVING YOUR HOMETOWN AS INTERIM CHIEF TO SPEARHEADED THE
09:47:53AM EFFORTS OF CIVIL RIGHTS AND RIGHT OF A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE.
09:47:56AM AND WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL TO RESTRUCTURE THE CRIME FREE
09:47:59AM HOUSING PROGRAM.
09:48:01AM PROTECTING AND SERVING AS A HIGHER CALLING, YOU WANT TO MAKE
09:48:06AM YOUR HOMETOWN A BETTER PLACE.
09:48:09AM WE WISH YOU WELL IN YOUR NEXT CHAPTER.
09:48:11AM IS YOUR WIFE HERE?
09:48:13AM COME ON UP.
09:48:13AM WE HAVE BEEN DOING ON THESE PRESENTATION DAYS, AND BECAUSE
09:48:17AM OF SCHEDULING AND HAVE HIS WIFE -- I NEVER MET YOU IN
09:48:20AM PERSON.
09:48:20AM I ONLY MET YOU ONLINE.
09:48:23AM HER BEST FRIEND IS SOMEONE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH.
09:48:25AM SMALL WORLD.
09:48:27AM ANYWAY, ON BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:48:31AM DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING OR HIM -- BUTCH, YOU WANT TO
09:48:35AM SAY SOMETHING.
09:48:36AM >> I WILL SAY A FEW THINGS.
09:48:39AM I WILL MAKE IT QUICK BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BUSY AGENDA.
09:48:42AM REAL FAST WE HAD THE CEREMONY BACK.
09:48:48AM I AM HONORED BEING RECOGNIZED BY COUNCIL.
09:48:50AM IT MEANS A LOT AND GO I WAS ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU
09:48:53AM PUBLICLY BOTH COLLECTIVELY AS A GROUP AND INDIVIDUALLY FOR
09:48:58AM EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
09:49:01AM WE ALWAYS DIDN'T AGREE ON TOPICS.
09:49:03AM WE DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE THE SAME SOLUTIONS.
09:49:04AM BUT I THINK AT THE END, WE BOTH DEALT WITH IT WITH RESPECT.
09:49:08AM EVERYBODY WAS VERY RESPECTFUL FOR ME.
09:49:10AM GAVE GOOD ADVICE OFFLINE, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO WHAT WAS
09:49:16AM BEST FOR THE CITY AT THE TIME.
09:49:17AM I THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.
09:49:20AM SOMETIMES THERE IS A LOT OF CITIES THAT DOESN'T WORK WITH
09:49:22AM POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
09:49:22AM SO THE FACT THAT THIS AGENCY HAS THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH
09:49:26AM COUNCIL, IT MEANS A LOT.
09:49:27AM THAT IS A TRIBUTE TO THE THOUSAND MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE
09:49:30AM WORKING AT THAT AGENCY.
09:49:31AM YOU KNOW, I DON'T -- I DIDN'T GET ANY OF THESE ACHIEVEMENTS,
09:49:35AM NONE OF THIS STUFF IN THIS COMMENDATION HAPPENS WITHOUT THE
09:49:38AM REST OF THE GROUP BEHIND ME.
09:49:39AM SO A GREAT AGENCY.
09:49:40AM YOU GUYS -- IT WAS A GOOD RIDE.
09:49:44AM 24 YEARS WAS A GOOD RIDE.
09:49:46AM AND I AM NOT DONE IN TAMPA.
09:49:47AM I AM STILL WORKING HERE LOCALLY.
09:49:49AM I AM NOT DONE SERVING THE PLACE I AM AT NOW.
09:49:52AM THEY HAVE GIVEN BACK, LIKE, $7 MILLION TO THE CITY OVER THE
09:49:56AM LAST FEW YEARS.
09:49:57AM I WILL BE AROUND.
09:49:57AM YOU WILL SEE MY FACE AROUND.
09:49:59AM I STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY.
09:50:02AM I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL.
09:50:04AM I KNOW IT IS BUSY AND I WILL STOP TALK IN A SECOND.
09:50:07AM 24 YEARS YOU DON'T DO IT BY YOURSELF OBVIOUSLY MEN AND WOMEN
09:50:11AM AND MY FAMILY, GRACE AND THE KIDS, MANY NIGHTS I HE WANTS
09:50:15AM THERE.
09:50:15AM I WAS WORKING -- DURING SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, 51 DAYS I WASN'T
09:50:19AM HOME AND THEY WERE AT HOME WONDER WHAT WAS GOING ON.
09:50:22AM AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL PUBLICLY FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
09:50:25AM AND, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THIS.
09:50:28AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:50:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:50:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CARLSON, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE THE
09:50:33AM WIFE AND THE DAUGHTER.
09:50:36AM >> BECAUSE I FAILED TO DO IT.
09:50:36AM [LAUGHTER]
09:50:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM FROM WEST TAMPA.
09:50:42AM >> I GOT NERVOUS WHEN THEY WERE TALKING OF TAKING STUFF FROM
09:50:46AM LA TERESITA AND NOT PAYING FOR IT.
09:50:49AM I HAVE A FEW THINGS.
09:50:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AT YOUR AGE, A NEW HAIRPIECE.
09:50:53AM >> I AM SORRY.
09:50:56AM I APOLOGIZE.
09:50:57AM THIS IS MY WIFE GRACE, MY DAUGHTER KENDALL AND MY SON CHASE,
09:51:03AM HE HAD TO GET TO WORK SO HE LEFT.
09:51:05AM SORRY ABOUT THAT.
09:51:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOUR NICKNAME.
09:51:08AM HOW -- IN THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY, EVERYBODY HAS A NICKNAME.
09:51:12AM USED TO.
09:51:13AM I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NOW.
09:51:14AM SO IF IT IS NOT TOO.
09:51:16AM >> I WILL TELL YOU.
09:51:17AM YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE STORY.
09:51:18AM WHEN MY FATHER --
09:51:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SAID IT A LONG TIME AGO.
09:51:23AM >> WHEN MY FATHER WAS GROWING UP FOR WHATEVER REASON, H
09:51:26AM COULDN'T GIVE ME A GOOD EXPLANATION.
09:51:28AM HE NEVER CALLED HIS DAD, DAD.
09:51:30AM HE CALLED HIM BUTCH.
09:51:31AM WHEN MY MOM WAS PREGNANT BEFORE SONOGRAM AND EVERYTHING
09:51:36AM ELSE, MY GRANDFATHER WOULD SAY LITTLE BUTCH NOT KNOWING IT
09:51:42AM WAS GIRL AND BOY COMING OUT.
09:51:44AM THANK GOD IT WAS A BOY COMING OUT.
09:51:46AM AND EVERYBODY FROM WEST TAMPA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW ME MY NAME
09:51:51AM IS REUBEN.
09:51:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU HAD 61 AS A PITCHER.
09:51:57AM BUT THE OTHER WAY WARNED, THE FIRST GUYS GOT A HIT.
09:52:02AM >> VERY TRUE.
09:52:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: POSSIBLY YOU WILL BE BACK.
09:52:06AM YOU ARE WEARING GRAY.
09:52:08AM >> I AM GETTING GRAY.
09:52:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:52:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU SAY YOU ARE FROM WEST TAMPA, RIGHT.
09:52:16AM WHAT IS YOUR NICKNAME.
09:52:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MINE?
09:52:20AM WHEN I PLAYED BALL -- HERE COMES THE CUBAN KID WHOSE FATHER
09:52:25AM IS A CUBAN.
09:52:26AM THEY HAD A LOT OF NICKNAMES.
09:52:28AM IN FACT WHEN I PLAYED BALL, HALF THE TEAM, I DIDN'T KNOW
09:52:32AM THEIR REAL NAME.
09:52:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BUTCH, I KNOW HOW YOU ARE FEELING.
09:52:40AM WHEN YOU GET THAT LAST ROOF TRANSMISSION.
09:52:47AM A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FEELS.
09:52:49AM IT IS A DIFFERENT FEELING WHEN AN OFFICER RETIRES.
09:52:52AM AND DISPATCHER COMES ON.
09:52:55AM IT'S YOUR LAST VOICES YOU HEAR FROM YOUR FRIENDS.
09:52:59AM AND THEY COME ON AND SAY YOU ARE DONE FOR THE REMAINDER, YOU
09:53:04AM KNOW.
09:53:04AM YOU KIND OF FEEL SOMETHING.
09:53:07AM BUT A LIKE I TELL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S
09:53:10AM A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BEAST.
09:53:12AM YOU KNOW IT.
09:53:13AM I KNOW IT.
09:53:13AM THESE GUYS HERE, THEY KNOW IT.
09:53:16AM BUT YOU RETIRE.
09:53:18AM SO YOU GO ENJOY YOURSELF, BUTCH.
09:53:20AM GO ENJOY YOURSELF.
09:53:22AM DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
09:53:24AM YOU KNOW YOU ALREADY FOUND SOMETHING ELSE, BUT -- YOU GOT
09:53:28AM SOME OTHER ASPIRATIONS WITH THE CITY.
09:53:30AM GO AND ENJOY YOURSELF.
09:53:32AM THE OLD SAYING, SEE YA.
09:53:35AM WE WILL SEE YA.
09:53:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:53:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DIDN'T GET THE PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU
09:53:41AM THE WAY THAT MY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS DID, BUT AS A RESIDENT
09:53:45AM OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
09:53:47AM AND I CAN SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT THE OFFICE
09:53:53AM THAT -- THAT ALL OFFICERS DID IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS DURING
09:54:00AM THAT TIME.
09:54:00AM IT WAS A VERY SCARY TIME.
09:54:01AM AND I KNOW THAT -- THAT HAVING SO MANY OFFICERS AND HAVING
09:54:05AM YOU WORK SO HARD TO HELP FIND THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THOSE
09:54:11AM CRIMES AND TO GET THEM TO STOP BASICALLY.
09:54:14AM AND TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY FEEL SAFER.
09:54:16AM WE ARE FOREVER IN DEBT TO YOU AND TO YOUR FAMILY FOR THOSE
09:54:21AM 51 DAYS THAT YOU WEREN'T HOME.
09:54:22AM SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:54:25AM AND BEST OF EVERYTHING IN YOUR RETIREMENT.
09:54:27AM SETH.
09:54:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:54:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RETIME.
09:54:36AM MAYBE YOU WILL BE BACK ONE DAY.
09:54:38AM MAYBE NOT.
09:54:40AM I WILL TELL YOU THIS, WEST TAMPA LOVES YOU.
09:54:42AM I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.
09:54:43AM ANY TIME YOUR NAME COMES UP OR YOUR FAMILY AND WHATEVER, IT
09:54:47AM IS ALWAYS VERY POSITIVE.
09:54:48AM WE HATE TO SEE YOU GO.
09:54:50AM BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, LIFE IS SHORT.
09:54:52AM YOU ARE YOUNG.
09:54:53AM ALL GOOD THINGS AHEAD AND I WISH YOU MUCH HAPPINESS AND THE
09:54:57AM BEST OF LUCK.
09:54:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ADD THIS SHOWS THE INFLUENCE OF
09:55:00AM THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
09:55:01AM BECAUSE HE PLAYED BASEBALL AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
09:55:04AM I WENT TO UT.
09:55:05AM CHARLIE WENT TO UT.
09:55:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS THERE FOR A YEAR.
09:55:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: MAYOR PLAYED BASKETBALL AT UT.
09:55:15AM YOU LOOK THE LEADERSHIP OF TAMPA DOING REMARKABLE THINGS.
09:55:20AM ANYBODY ELSE?
09:55:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I COULD, PLEASE.
09:55:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
09:55:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:55:26AM BUTCH, YOU AND I GO BACK TO MY DAYS AT CDDC, AND APPEAR
09:55:37AM CAPTAIN IN DC.
09:55:39AM I KNEW THEN THAT YOU WOULD GO FAR.
09:55:40AM THE RESPECT YOU HAD FROM YCD MEMBERS AND ALL THE RESPECT
09:55:47AM FROM BUSINESS OWNERS IN EFOR CITY.
09:55:49AM ALL THE RESPECT YOU GO THE FROM THE RESIDENTS IN YBOR YBOR
09:55:54AM CITY.
09:55:54AM YOU ARE A STRONG LEADER.
09:55:56AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME WITH ALL OF YOUR FELLOW TPD
09:56:01AM OFFICERS.
09:56:01AM AND I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU LED OUR POLICE FORCE.
09:56:06AM BUTCH, YOU ARE A FRIEND.
09:56:11AM MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU ARE A FRIEND TO ALL OF TAMPA THANK
09:56:15AM YOU, MY FRIEND.
09:56:16AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.
09:56:18AM >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT
09:56:25AM [APPLAUSE]
09:56:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM FILE
09:56:38AM NUMBERE 22-2215 -- NO THAT WAS REUBEN.
09:56:44AM EXCUSE ME, BUTCH.
09:56:46AM SORRY.
09:56:48AM PLANNING COMMISSION.
09:56:48AM I BELIEVE WE HAVE -- THIS IS CM 22-75386.
09:57:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:57:02AM JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
09:57:04AM WE HAVE A POWERPOINT THAT WE SENT EARLIER.
09:57:07AM SO WE WILL JUST LOAD IT IN A MOMENT.
09:57:15AM WE WILL JUST OPEN THIS UP.
09:57:16AM JENNIFER MALONE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
09:57:17AM WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO REPORT ON THE VISION OUTREACH AND
09:57:22AM RESULTS.
09:57:22AM THE FIRST STEP IN UPDATING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09:57:26AM WE CAN'T UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHOUT A VISION FOR
09:57:29AM THE PLAN.
09:57:30AM WE WANTED THAT VISION TO REFLECT THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT
09:57:32AM PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND HEARING RIGHT NOW.
09:57:34AM A MULTIMONTH PROCESS WITH THE SURVEY AND TURN IT OVER TO
09:57:38AM STEPHEN AND MELISSA DICKENS TO TALK OF THAT PROCESS AND HOW
09:57:41AM MANY FOLKS WE REACHED THROUGH THAT.
09:57:43AM THANK YOU.
09:57:44AM >> THANK YOU, JENNIFER.
09:57:46AM WE CAME BEFORE YOU IN FEBRUARY WITH A PRELIMINARY VISION FOR
09:57:49AM THE CITY IN 2045.
09:57:51AM SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
09:57:55AM PROCESS.
09:57:55AM AND NOW TODAY ITEM 73 ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA IS THE
09:57:58AM RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THAT VISION.
09:58:00AM IN THE FALL, WE WILL BE BRINGING BEFORE YOU THE
09:58:03AM WATER-RELATED SECTIONS OF THE PLAN.
09:58:04AM IN THE SPRING, THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION AND THE MOBILITY
09:58:09AM SECTION.
09:58:09AM THE VISION IS THE COLLECTIVE VIEWPOINT WHAT THE FUTURE OF
09:58:13AM COMPANY WILL BE IN THE YEAR 2045.
09:58:15AM IT IS EXPRESSED AS A STATEMENT THAT DESCRIBES THE DESIRE OF
09:58:18AM FUTURE STATE AND REPRESENTS COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION THAT CAN
09:58:22AM BE THE FOUNDATION OF GOOD POLICY.
09:58:25AM THE INVESTIGATION WAS DRAFTED BASED ON RECENT PLANS AND
09:58:28AM OUTREACH.
09:58:29AM PUBLIC INPUT WAS GATHERED OVER THE LAST 70s MONTHS AND THAT
09:58:34AM HAS BEEN INCORPORATED TO UP DATE THE VISION IN THE 2045
09:58:42AM PLAN
09:58:43AM THIS WILL MR. THE 2045 PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
09:58:47AM >> I WILL JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE OUTREACH TO THE
09:58:49AM COMMUNITY.
09:58:49AM WE WANTED THIS TO BE THE COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR THE FUTURE
09:58:52AM OF TAMPA.
09:58:55AM THE FIRST STEP IN THAT IS MAKING SURE THE INFORMATION WAS
09:58:59AM ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
09:59:00AM WE HAD THINGS LIKE A FAQ, A QR CODE, SURVEYS IN ENGLISH AND
09:59:06AM SPANISH.
09:59:06AM WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ACROSS THE CITY.
09:59:09AM WE MET WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AND STAKEHOLDERS, COMMUNITY
09:59:14AM GROUPS CRAs, WEST SHORE ALLIANCE, DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
09:59:18AM AT THE SAME TIME, MAKING SURE TO BE WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE,
09:59:21AM TO HEAR FROM FOLKS WHO WERE AT PARKS AND LIBRARIES AND OTHER
09:59:24AM COMMUNITY EVENTS.
09:59:25AM WE ALSO HAD TRADITIONAL AND SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGNS AND HELD
09:59:34AM A VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSE.
09:59:36AM NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
09:59:40AM I APOLOGIZE.
09:59:42AM AND HERE ARE SOME METRICS ON OUR OUTREACH AND WHO WE REACHED
09:59:46AM THROUGH DIFFERENT MECHANISMS.
09:59:48AM THOUSANDS OF FOLKS WHO SAW INFORMATION ABOUT THE
09:59:51AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EITHER IN PERSON, THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA,
09:59:55AM THROUGH TRADITIONAL MEDIA AND E-MAIL.
09:59:59AM AND THEN OVERALL, WE GOT OVER 700 RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY.
10:00:05AM REALLY WANT TO THANK EVERYONE TO PROVIDED COMMENTS ON THE
10:00:10AM SURVEY.
10:00:10AM WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP US AS WE
10:00:13AM WORK TO UPDATE THE INDIVIDUAL GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND
10:00:18AM POLICIES.
10:00:19AM AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS WE
10:00:23AM CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE PLAN.
10:00:24AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THANKS, MELISSA.
10:00:29AM JENNIFER MALONE AGAIN.
10:00:30AM I WILL WRAP US UP SHOWING THE EXAMPLES THAT WE GOT ON OUR
10:00:35AM VISION SURVEY.
10:00:36AM WE HEAR THING LIKE TAMPA HAS UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS THAT
10:00:40AM DIFFERENTIATE THE CITY FROM OTHERS.
10:00:41AM SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT WE WILL INCORPORATE IN THE PLAN.
10:00:44AM COMMENTS RELATED TO HOUSING AND A NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY AS
10:00:48AM WELL AS RESILIENCY AND HOW WE MANAGE THE CHANGING CLIMATE
10:00:52AM AND WHERE TAMPA IS SITUATED.
10:00:54AM HERE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.
10:00:57AM FOR LIGHT READING FOR EVERYONE, THE FULL SURVEY RESULTS ARE
10:01:01AM POSTED ON OUR WEB SITE AT LIVE, GROW, THRIVE, 2024.COM AND
10:01:07AM YOU ARE WELCOME TO READ THEM IN THEIR ENTIRETY.
10:01:11AM THIS IS THE PROCESS WE TOOK TO BRING FORWARD THE VISION
10:01:14AM THEME AND VISION STATEMENT THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.
10:01:15AM WE LOOKED AT THE SURVEY INPUT AND PREVALENT IDEAS.
10:01:18AM WE TAGGED EVERY SINGLE VISION COMMENT.
10:01:21AM AND TRIED TO GET WHAT THAT VISION COMMENT WAS SAYING.
10:01:28AM WE REVIEWED COMMENTS AND WE WERE ABLE TO GROUP THEM IN
10:01:34AM FLOODING RESILIENCY, OPEN SPACE, HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION,
10:01:39AM ACCESSIBILITY TO SERVICES.
10:01:40AM THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP.
10:01:43AM OTHER MORE SPECIFIC IDEAS WILL, INCORPORATED IN FORTHCOMING
10:01:47AM SECTIONS OF THE PLAN.
10:01:48AM THIS IS REALLY JUST STEP ONE OF UPDATING THE PLAN AS MELISSA
10:01:52AM DICKENS SAID.
10:01:53AM WE ARE NOT STOPPING HERE WITH OUTREACH EITHER.
10:01:55AM THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME.
10:01:56AM THIS IS -- WHAT IS BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL OF THE
10:01:59AM RESOLUTION.
10:02:00AM AS STEPHEN MENTIONED ITEM NUMBER 73, I WILL READ THESE SO
10:02:05AM THEY ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE RECORD.
10:02:07AM ONE VISION STATEMENT AND NINE VISION THEMES.
10:02:10AM THE VISION STATEMENT IS TAMPA IS AN INCLUSIVE, SUSTAINABLE
10:02:14AM AND RESILIENT CITY WHERE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, HISTORIC
10:02:18AM CHARACTER AND DIVERSITY OF CULTURES ENABLE A SETTING FOR
10:02:22AM ALL.
10:02:22AM OUR VISION THEMES START WITH THE TITLE IN 2045, ALL
10:02:27AM RESIDENTS HAVE EQUITABLE ACCESS TO A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE
10:02:30AM AND OPPORTUNITY REGARDLESS OF BACKGROUND.
10:02:32AM THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WATER RESOURCES, CLEAN AIR AND OPEN
10:02:35AM SPACE ARE VALUED AND PROTECTED.
10:02:37AM LAND AND PUBLIC RESOURCES ARE USED EFFICIENTLY AND
10:02:41AM INFRASTRUCTURE IS RELIABLE WHEN CONNECTED.
10:02:43AM THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE UNIQUE IDENTITIES THAT
10:02:46AM REFLECT THE HISTORY AND CULTURAL DIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
10:02:50AM NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COMPLETE WITH A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES,
10:02:53AM SERVICES AND JOBS WITHIN A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.
10:02:55AM HOUSING OPTION IS AVAILABLE FOR ALL INCOME LEVELS AND
10:02:59AM HOUSEHOLDS.
10:02:59AM TRANSPORTATION IS SAFE, ACCESSIBLE, CONNECTED AND
10:03:04AM CONVENIENT.
10:03:04AM RESILIENCY ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO MITIGATE EFFECT OF CLIMATE
10:03:11AM CHANGE, EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AND OTHER HAZARDS.
10:03:14AM AND A DIVERSE ECONOMY PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVERYONE.
10:03:19AM THAT IS THE VISION THAT IS GOING TO INFORM OUR TAMPA
10:03:23AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES FOR -- FOR APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION
10:03:26AM OF ITEM 73.
10:03:27AM I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS MELISSA DICKENS
10:03:32AM AND STEPHEN BENSON.
10:03:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:03:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU PUT
10:03:38AM INTO THAT.
10:03:39AM I TOLD YOU EARLIER THIS IS WHAT I DO IN MY DAY JOB,
10:03:42AM EVALUATING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT A
10:03:48AM PARTICULAR PROJECT.
10:03:49AM AND AS -- AS WE ALL WORK THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, WE HEAR
10:03:54AM ABOUT ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
10:03:55AM AND SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
10:03:57AM I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF CAPTURING ALL OF THE
10:04:02AM ISSUES THAT TAMPA CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WANT TO
10:04:08AM MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE.
10:04:10AM I THINK THIS IS GREAT VISION PLAN TO GET STARTED ON THAT.
10:04:13AM THANK YOU.
10:04:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:04:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: SAME THING HERE.
10:04:18AM I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU ALL DO.
10:04:20AM BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, PART OF WHAT I DID WAS PUBLIC
10:04:23AM ENGAGEMENT AND LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
10:04:26AM IT APPEARS THAT YOU ALL WENT IN WITH A CLEAN SLATE.
10:04:29AM YOU HANDLED THIS VERY OBJECTIVELY, THOROUGHLY.
10:04:32AM YOU USED THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEEDED TO USE TO GET FEEDBACK
10:04:37AM FROM THE PUBLIC.
10:04:37AM AND I THINK THE STATEMENTS YOU MADE ARE OUTSTANDING AND
10:04:41AM REFLECT EVERYTHING I HEAR IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:04:43AM SO PLEASE THANK THE ENTIRE TEAM FOR WORKING SO HARD ON IT.
10:04:47AM AND WE LOOK FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH YOU IN THE NEXT
10:04:50AM PHASES.
10:04:50AM THANK YOU.
10:04:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
10:04:54AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
10:04:56AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THANK YOU.
10:04:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:05:01AM ANYONE THAT IS WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME,
10:05:08AM PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AT THE FRONT OF THE ROOM.
10:05:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:05:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
10:05:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU.
10:05:33AM >> CHLOE CONEY, THE WOMAN THAT WEARS MANY HATS.
10:05:38AM I AM HOMEGROWN FROM TAMPA.
10:05:39AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY 50 YEARS WORKING EXPERIENCE AT A LOT
10:05:43AM OF JOBS, BUT 30 YEARS IN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
10:05:47AM SOME I REALLY TELL PEOPLE I AM A SEASONED PRACTITIONER IN
10:05:51AM THAT FIELD.
10:05:51AM I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU.
10:05:53AM I HAVE NOT BEEN TO MEETINGS HERE, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU
10:05:56AM FOR WORKING TOGETHER AS YOU HAVE BEEN VOTE TO HELP WITH SOME
10:06:02AM OF OUR HOUSING NEEDS.
10:06:03AM I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT, BUT AS OUR FEARLESS LEADER ROBIN
10:06:10AM LOCKETT LIKES TO SAY, THIS IS LIKE A PUZZLE, AND WE ARE
10:06:14AM GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THE PIECES ALL TOGETHER.
10:06:17AM CITY COUNCIL, I KNOW EVERY DAY YOU HEAR THE CRIES OF THE
10:06:20AM PEOPLE.
10:06:20AM I KNOW I DO.
10:06:22AM AND MY HEART BREAKS WHEN I HEAR THE CRIES.
10:06:26AM AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE EVICTED AND THEY NEED TO PLACE A
10:06:29AM LIVE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO REFER THEM.
10:06:31AM I HAVE CALLED MANY OF YOU.
10:06:34AM I HAVE CALLED THE COUNTY.
10:06:36AM I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS ME.
10:06:37AM I WILL CALL EVERYBODY.
10:06:38AM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSE IN TAMPA I
10:06:42AM INVITED MY MENTOR.
10:06:43AM THAT IS THE REASON I AM COMING TODAY.
10:06:46AM STEVE GLADAY.
10:06:49AM HE CAME DOWN IN JANUARY WHEN THEY DID THE DEDICATION OF THE
10:06:53AM WALL.
10:06:53AM HE IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF COALITION OF NONPROFIT
10:06:58AM HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN D.C.
10:07:04AM HIS ORGANIZATION HAS $150 MILLION TRUST FUND.
10:07:07AM THEY DEAL WITH ALL THE ISSUES OF HOUSING AND ECONOMIC
10:07:10AM DEVELOPMENT.
10:07:10AM AS HE SAY IS, HIS ORGANIZATION IS ABOUT 80 NONPROFITS AND 40
10:07:18AM FOR-PROFIT MISSION DRIVEN.
10:07:20AM EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER WITH -- WITH GOVERNMENT TOP MAKE
10:07:25AM SURE THAT THEY HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN D.C. AND TO END
10:07:30AM HOMELESSNESS THERE.
10:07:31AM WHY AM I SAYING THIS?
10:07:33AM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT TAMPA NEEDS.
10:07:34AM WE NEED THAT NOW.
10:07:36AM WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:07:38AM AS HE SAID TO ME AND OTHERS -- I KNOW HE SHORTLY MET WITH
10:07:44AM MAYOR CASTOR WEB SHE WAS THERE.
10:07:46AM AND HE TALKED ABOUT PRESERVATION.
10:07:49AM NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT.
10:07:50AM WE HAVE APARTMENTS 30 YEARS, 40 YEARS.
10:07:58AM IN D.C., THEY ALLOW THEIR TENANTS TO BUY THOSE APARTMENTS.
10:08:02AM I KNOW HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS ALREADY ALLOWING NONPROFITS TO
10:08:07AM BUY THOSE APARTMENTS SO THEY CAN KEEP IT AFFORDABLE.
10:08:10AM THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, OKAY.
10:08:12AM AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
10:08:16AM YOU ARE DOING AN AWESOME JOB.
10:08:18AM AS SENATOR -- I MEAN SENATOR CRUZ WAS HERE AND
10:08:21AM REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART.
10:08:23AM PLEASE CALL ME.
10:08:24AM I WANT THEM TO GO TO WORK.
10:08:26AM BY THE WAY, I AM WORKING ON WORKFORCE, THOSE TWO WORK
10:08:31AM TOGETHER.
10:08:31AM HOUSING AND WORKFORCE.
10:08:33AM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THESE WAGES.
10:08:36AM BECAUSE ONCE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STOPS ALL SUBSIDIES, WE
10:08:40AM WILL -- WE WILL REALLY HAVE A CRISIS ON OUR HANDS.
10:08:42AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:08:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, NORMALLY WE LINE UP ON
10:08:46AM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROOM.
10:08:47AM I SEE THREE PEOPLE OVER HERE.
10:08:48AM THAT IS FINE
10:08:49AM YOU STAY THERE.
10:08:50AM WE WILL LET THE PASTOR SPEAK NEXT AND THEN WE WILL GO BACK
10:08:53AM AND FORTH UNTIL THESE THREE PEOPLE ARE CLEARED OVER HERE.
10:08:56AM THANK YOU.
10:08:57AM PASTOR.
10:08:57AM >> YES.
10:09:01AM ARE YOU SPEAK TO ME?
10:09:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
10:09:04AM >> YES.
10:09:04AM THANK GOD FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY.
10:09:10AM PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS, 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET RIGHT HERE IN
10:09:14AM TAMPA I PASS BY THAT JACKSON HOUSE AND I CAN'T UNDERSTAND
10:09:23AM WHY YOU ALL ARE STILL IN THIS.
10:09:27AM FALLING DOWN PIECE BY PIECE.
10:09:29AM OVER HERE AT MY CHURCH -- LISTEN TO ME PLEASE, OVER IN MY
10:09:36AM CHURCH, PUT SO MANY CITATIONS ON THE DOOR IN MY CHURCH
10:09:38AM BECAUSE THERE IS A HOLE IN THE WALL OR THE CHURCH NEEDS
10:09:42AM PAINTING.
10:09:42AM I'M HERE TO TELL YOU IF YOU AIN'T GOING TO TEAR DOWN THAT
10:09:46AM JACKSON HOUSE DOWN, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY Y'ALL ARE PICKING
10:09:49AM ON ME.
10:09:50AM I KNOW WHY YOU ARE PICKING ON ME, BECAUSE I AM A BLACK MAN
10:09:53AM AND A BLACK PREACHER.
10:09:54AM Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO HEAR NOTHING WE GOT TO SAY, BUT YOU MUST
10:09:58AM UNDERSTAND WE AS CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
10:10:04AM WE ARE BEING VIOLATED ALL KIND OF WAY.
10:10:06AM GOING AROUND WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
10:10:09AM TAKING BLACK FOLKS' PROPERTY.
10:10:11AM EVERYTHING -- DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
10:10:13AM GIVING IT TO THE WHITE FOLK AND ALL THIS HERE KIND OF CRAP.
10:10:17AM AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
10:10:20AM MY -- MY BROTHER FOUGHT IN WORLD WAR II.
10:10:23AM AND WHEN HE COME BACK HERE, HE HAD TO WHITES -- OF COLOR AND
10:10:34AM SIGNS.
10:10:34AM YOU NEED TO TREAT PEOPLE LIKE CITIZENS.
10:10:36AM NOT LIKE THE COLOR OF BLACK AND WHITE.
10:10:38AM THAT AIN'T WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
10:10:40AM TREAT US LIKE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
10:10:42AM AND WE WILL BE GLAD TO ACCEPT THAT.
10:10:45AM BUT Y'ALL PICK ON POOR BLACK FOLK AND TREAT US -- MISTREAT
10:10:51AM US IN A MIGHTY WAY, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT.
10:10:53AM WE KNOW WE GOT GOD ON OUR SIDE.
10:10:56AM AND WE WILL PROVIDE.
10:10:58AM GOD SAY WHAT Y'ALL THINK ABOUT IT.
10:11:00AM WE CAN CARE LESS ON WHAT Y'ALL THINK ABOUT IT.
10:11:03AM WE CARE WHAT GOD THINK ABOUT IT.
10:11:05AM AND THAT'S WHERE WE STAND.
10:11:07AM WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE DOING AND LIVING THE LIFE WE ARE
10:11:10AM LIVING.
10:11:10AM LIVING A PEACEFUL LIFE
10:11:11AM WE ARE NOT -- WE DON'T WANT TO START NO WAR WITH NOBODY.
10:11:15AM AND THEN NOW -- WE GOT THIS OLD UGLY MAN CALLED TRUMP
10:11:20AM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
10:11:21AM WHAT IS HE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT FOR?
10:11:24AM IF HE IS GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, I AM GOING TO RUN FOR
10:11:27AM IT TOO.
10:11:28AM WE WILL BE COMPARABLE TO ONE ANOTHER.
10:11:31AM AND I GUARANTEE YOU, I MIGHT NOT WIN OVER HIM WITH MANKIND,
10:11:35AM BUT WITH GOD, I ALREADY GOT THE VICTORY.
10:11:38AM AND WE MUST TELL GOD THANK YOU.
10:11:41AM YOU KNOW, SO MUCH I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT Y'ALL DON'T GIVE
10:11:46AM ME ENOUGH TIME TO TALK ABOUT NOTHING.
10:11:48AM JUST LIKE TEXTING A FEW MINUTES AGO, A WHITE BOY WALKED IN
10:11:56AM AND KILLED LITTLE INNOCENT CHILDREN IN A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
10:11:58AM AND THE THING ABOUT IT, LISTEN HERE -- THIS IS WHAT THE
10:12:03AM POLICE TOLD -- WE CAN'T GO IN THERE AND ATTACK HIM NOW
10:12:06AM BECAUSE WE MIGHT GET SHOT.
10:12:08AM YEAH, SO WHAT.
10:12:09AM THAT IS YOUR JOB.
10:12:10AM YOU OUGHT TO GET SHOT.
10:12:11AM TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
10:12:13AM PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
10:12:16AM ESPECIALLY TOWARD BLACK PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE AIN'T DOING
10:12:19AM NOTHING BUT HOLDING THEIR HEAD DOWN LIKE IT IS ALL RIGHT.
10:12:22AM NO, IT'S NOT ALL RIGHT.
10:12:24AM IT IS NOT ALL RIGHT.
10:12:25AM WE WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AND
10:12:30AM THAT'S ALL WE ASK.
10:12:31AM WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU FOR NOTHING ELSE.
10:12:33AM TREAT US LIKE YOU TREAT THE WHITE FOLKS.
10:12:36AM AND WE WILL BE HAPPY WITH THAT AND WE WILL GLORIFY GOD EVEN
10:12:39AM MORE.
10:12:39AM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW.
10:12:43AM MISTREATMENT.
10:12:45AM AND GO TO CHURCH.
10:12:46AM FROM THE NEXT PERSON, THAT OUGHT NOT TO BE.
10:12:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, PASTOR.
10:12:56AM >> YOU ARE THANKING ME TOO QUICK.
10:12:58AM I AM NOT THROUGH YET.
10:13:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME,
10:13:03AM PASTOR.
10:13:03AM MA'AM.
10:13:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
10:13:16AM THE REASON I'M HERE THIS MORNING -- AND I WANT TO APPRECIATE
10:13:21AM THE FAMILY THAT WAS AWARDED SUCH GREAT COMMENDATION.
10:13:28AM LEGACY IS IMPORTANT.
10:13:29AM BUT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT A HISTORY OF A PEOPLE THAT HAS NOT
10:13:34AM BEEN DOCUMENTED AND MANY TIMES IT IS NOT HELD UP.
10:13:38AM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT 400 YEARS OF FREE LABOR THAT HAS BUILT
10:13:44AM AMERICA.
10:13:44AM AND THAT IS TOO FAR FOR YOU TO GO BACK, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
10:13:47AM HOW HERE IN THIS CITY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WAS ONCE DEFINED AS
10:13:54AM BLIGHTED, POOR AND UNDESIRABLE IS NOW BECOMING UNAVAILABLE
10:13:58AM FOR WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE TO LIVE IN.
10:14:01AM YOU HAVE HAD ENOUGH TIME -- SOME OF YOU HAD A LEGACY HERE ON
10:14:06AM THIS COUNCIL.
10:14:07AM AND YOU HAVE HEARD THE ONGOING CRY OF THE PEOPLE.
10:14:11AM THAT WE NEED A HOUSING PROGRAM THAT WILL LIFT EVERYBODY TO A
10:14:17AM STANDARD OF HUMAN DIGNITY.
10:14:18AM THAT IS NOT HARD.
10:14:19AM WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR 300,000 SQUARE FOOT OF HOUSING, BUT
10:14:25AM THERE IS A LOT OF LOTS IN EAST TAMPA THAT IF THIS
10:14:32AM ADMINISTRATION ALONG WITH YOUR PUSH HAVE POLITICAL WILL WE
10:14:36AM WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WILL
10:14:38AM COME UP IN 2045.
10:14:39AM I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE A LEGACY INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
10:14:46AM WE TALK OF GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:14:47AM IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT MANY OF THOSE DEFENDANTS, THOSE THAT
10:14:51AM ARE DECEASED OR HAVING TO GO TO TRIAL, THEY LIVE WITH THEIR
10:14:54AM GRANDMOTHER.
10:14:55AM THEY DON'T HAVE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY.
10:14:57AM NOW WE WANT TO SEE YOU DEAL WITH POVERTY.
10:15:00AM THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE YOU DEAL WITH.
10:15:02AM AS YOU START UNTANGLING THE ISSUE OF POVERTY, THEN WE WILL
10:15:07AM GET TO HOUSING.
10:15:08AM BUT AS LONG AS WE ARE CAUGHT UP WITH WHAT INFLATION.
10:15:12AM NO.
10:15:12AM WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT HUMANITY CAUSED.
10:15:15AM BECAUSE JUST AS WELL AS BASEBALL COMES THROUGH THIS
10:15:18AM COMMUNITY, YOU WILL FIND A WAY.
10:15:19AM MAYBE ONE WON'T VOTE THAT WAY, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU,
10:15:24AM ACCOMMODATION IS GOING TO BE MADE FOR THEM.
10:15:26AM NO, INSIDE OF EAST TAMPA, WE HAVE A LOT OF LOTS THAT ARE
10:15:33AM UNFITTED FOR TRADITIONAL HOMES.
10:15:35AM WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM.
10:15:36AM PEOPLE WOULD TAKE THEM.
10:15:38AM NOW WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THEIR
10:15:40AM CARS.
10:15:40AM AND SO WHEN I AM CALLING ON FOR YOU COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:15:46AM YOU REPRESENT THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION IN THIS
10:15:49AM COMMUNITY.
10:15:50AM WE NEED YOUR LEADERSHIP TO PULL YOUR TEAM OF BOARD MEMBERS
10:15:57AM TOGETHER TO HAVE A TRUE HOUSING INITIATIVE NOW.
10:16:01AM IT IS DEPENDING UPON THAT BEFORE WE GET TO 2024.
10:16:05AM AND THOSE THAT ARE PLANNING TO RUN IN 2024 THAT HAVE NOT PUT
10:16:10AM FORTH A MODEL BEYOND PAPER SHOULD NOT GET THE BLACK VOTE.
10:16:13AM THANK YOU.
10:16:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MISS BURTON.
10:16:16AM [APPLAUSE]
10:16:24AM >> TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.
10:16:25AM HI, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE HARRISON AND I RESIDE 1600 BLOCK OF
10:16:31AM 5th AVENUE IN YBOR.
10:16:32AM AS A RESIDENT AND LOVER OF HISTORIC YBOR, I IMPLORE YOU TO
10:16:38AM LOOK AT A CASE PRESENTED BACK TO YOU JULY 2014.
10:16:42AM THIS INVOLVES THE REZONING OF A LOT IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA
10:16:47AM HISTORIC EFOR CITY WHICH WILL SUBSEQUENTLY ALLOW IT TO BE A
10:16:52AM PURELY RUN SURFACE PARKING LOT BETWEEN TWO HOUSES.
10:16:56AM THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE HANDLING OF THIS
10:16:58AM ISSUE OVER THE PAST YEAR.
10:17:00AM ON JULY 14, COUNCILMEMBERS WERE DIRECTED TO VOTE ON THIS
10:17:03AM ISSUE WITHOUT GIVING ALL THE FACTS.
10:17:05AM IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, HERE IS JUST ONE OF THE PIECES OF
10:17:09AM THIS COMPLICATED WEIRD PUZZLE.
10:17:11AM IN AN E-MAIL ON JULY 5, CITY ATTORNEY CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE
10:17:16AM TOLD OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
10:17:19AM ARE ENTITLED TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES EACH IN REFERENCE TO
10:17:23AM THE JULY 14 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
10:17:25AM WE RALLIED AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WEEKS.
10:17:29AM MANY OF US SHOWED UP IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY TO SPEAK AND
10:17:32AM MANY MORE WROTE LETTERS TO YOU ALL.
10:17:33AM THEN AT THE VERY END OF THE DAY ON JULY 14 WHEN OUR AGENDA
10:17:37AM ITEM 117 FINALLY CAME UP, MISS PETTIS-MACKLE STOOD BEFORE
10:17:42AM COUNCIL AND DIRECTED THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD NOT BE
10:17:46AM ALLOWED FOR THE CODE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH WAS SO
10:17:49AM CONFUSE THIS CODE AND RARELY USED THAT MISS PETTIS-MACKLE
10:17:52AM MUST NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT HEFF IS NOR ANY OF THE
10:17:56AM COUNCILMEMBERS EVER HEARD OF IT.
10:17:59AM THIS STINKY ONION HAS SO MANY LAYERS TO UNPEEL IMPOSSIBLE TO
10:18:04AM DO IT HERE.
10:18:04AM MANY PEOPLE AND MYSELF ON BEHALF OF THE YBOR CITY
10:18:10AM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION.
10:18:12AM I KNOW YOU ALL ARE BUSY PEOPLE, I WILL BE FORWARDING MY
10:18:15AM LATEST E-MAIL AGAIN TO YOU TODAY SO IT IS AT THE TOP OF YOUR
10:18:20AM IN BOX.
10:18:20AM PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING HERE.
10:18:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. COMPTON.
10:18:24AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:18:26AM PHIL COMPTON, FRIENDS OF THE RIVER.
10:18:29AM WE SUPPORT RENT STABILIZATION AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:18:34AM ON PURE, I WANT TO TALK OF THE RISKS INVOLVE.
10:18:36AM CONTRACTOR'S ANALYSIS SHOULD INCLUDE THE ANALYSIS OF RISK.
10:18:40AM WAS RISK INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSES TO DATE?
10:18:43AM FUNDING SHOULD REQUIRE RISK ANALYSIS.
10:18:46AM THE RISK IN PURE SHOULD NOT BE MINIMIZED.
10:18:48AM MAY TAKE A GENERATION FOR ANY POTENTIAL HARM TO BE
10:18:52AM EXPERIENCED AND RECOGNIZED.
10:18:54AM MANY OF US MAY NOT BE AROUND TO RECOGNIZE THAT QUESTION DID
10:18:58AM NOT DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
10:19:00AM HA RISK, A WHOLE HOST OF CHEMICALS THAT YOU CAN BUY AT A CVS
10:19:06AM ENDS UP IN OUR WASTEWATER.
10:19:07AM SOME IN THE BAY THAT WE ASURM NO HARM IS DONE, ASSUME.
10:19:11AM WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.
10:19:14AM THIS WATER COMPRISE AS SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE LOWER
10:19:17AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WATER BELOW THE DAM WERE IT TO BE USED
10:19:21AM FOR THE FRESH WATER MINIMUM FLOW AS IT IS PROPOSED.
10:19:24AM IN ASSESSING THE VARIOUS TREATMENTS.
10:19:27AM WE ARE FACED WITH ANSWERS.
10:19:28AM HOW MUCH OF ANTI-DEPRESSANTS, HORMONES, FRAGRANCES AND OTHER
10:19:33AM PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTS CAN BE FOUND FOR USE OF
10:19:36AM ENVIRONMENTAL RESTORATION BEFORE IT CAN BE MORE HARM THAN
10:19:40AM FOOD FOR THE IF I SHALL THAT COME UP THE RIVER TO SPAWN
10:19:42AM TOWARD THE DAM.
10:19:42AM MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW MUCH OF THESE CHEMICALS CAN BE FOUND
10:19:46AM IN DRINKING WATER CONSUMED FOR DECADES BY FUTURE DECADES BY
10:19:50AM RESIDENTS UNTIL DISEASE.
10:19:52AM OR ADDED TO THE AQUIFER.
10:19:55AM WE DON'T KNOW.
10:19:56AM NO ONE DOES.
10:19:57AM BECAUSE NO STANDARDS FOR PHARMACEUTICALS.
10:19:59AM STAFF IS FACED A NO-WIN CHALLENGE.
10:20:02AM HOW EFFECTIVE MUST ANY TREATMENT SYSTEM BE TO ENSURE THAT
10:20:07AM WATER IS SAFE.
10:20:07AM NO ONE KNOWS.
10:20:08AM NO ONE IS LIKELY TO KNOW FOR YEARS TO COME.
10:20:11AM A MONTH AGO THE EPA SAY FOREVER CHEMICALS PFAS CAUSE A MUCH
10:20:17AM GREATER DANGER TO HUMAN HEALTH.
10:20:20AM BUT NOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT REGULATE PFAS.
10:20:24AM THE LEVELS ARE SO LOW DIFFICULT TO DETECT WITH TODAY'S
10:20:27AM TECHNOLOGY.
10:20:27AM PLACES HIT HARDEST OF THE CONTAMINATION NEAR MILITARY BASES
10:20:31AM WHERE PFAS-LADEN FOAM USED FOR DECADES FOR JET FUEL FIRES
10:20:37AM LIKE MacDILL.
10:20:38AM WE CAN ALWAYS DO THE SAME THING AS DROUGHT-STRICKEN CITIES
10:20:41AM LIKE SAN DIEGO PLAN TO REUSE THEIR WASTEWATER AND GO WITH
10:20:45AM REVERSE OSMOSIS.
10:20:48AM THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EXPENSIVE TREATMENT.
10:20:49AM ELIMINATES 100% OF ALL CONTAMINANTS.
10:20:52AM IT IS GREAT.
10:20:53AM WE MUST PRODUCE WATER THAT IS BOTH SAFE AND AFFORDABLE FOR
10:20:57AM EVERYONE.
10:20:57AM WE MUST ACHIEVE BOTH OR NO GO FORWARD.
10:21:01AM THE RISK IS HIGH FOR THE RESIDENTS AND ABILITY TO PAY THEIR
10:21:04AM UTILITY BILL.
10:21:05AM HOW CAN WE CONSULT WITH OTHER CITIES AROUND THE STATE AND
10:21:09AM PUT DEP HOLDS OF THE 2022 DEADLINE OF STANDARDS TO ALLOW
10:21:16AM FLORIDA WATER DEPARTMENTS TO GO FORWARD WITH CERTAINTY THEY
10:21:18AM ARE NOT PUTTING THEIR RESIDENTS' HEALTH AND FINANCIAL WELL
10:21:22AM BEING AT RISK BECAUSE THE RISK IS REAL.
10:21:26AM THANK YOU.
10:21:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:21:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS DAVID BAILEY.
10:21:30AM I LIVE ON 5th AVENUE IN HISTORIC YBOR CITY.
10:21:34AM AND I AM COMING A CASE 125C THAT WAS MENTIONED EARL IN.
10:21:40AM AS A RESIDENT AND DEVELOPER, I CAN SAY IN MY 20 YEARS IN
10:21:43AM DEALING WITH THE CITY, I NEVER SEEN AN ASSISTANT CITY
10:21:46AM ATTORNEY ADVOCATE SO MUCH FOR A PRIVATE PARKING COMPANY AND
10:21:50AM PRESENT FALSE OR MISLEADING STATEMENTS TO CITY COUNCIL.
10:21:54AM AND TO THE PUBLIC WHO EXERCISES THE RIGHT TO COME HERE TO
10:21:57AM SPEAK BEFORE YOU.
10:21:58AM THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE IS OBVIOUSLY TOO LONG FOR ME TO
10:22:01AM COVER IN THE THREE MINUTES THAT I HAVE, BUT BRIEFLY, ABOUT A
10:22:04AM YEAR AGO, THE ZONING OFFICIAL MADE A THOROUGH --
10:22:08AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT -- YOU HAVE A
10:22:11AM RIGHT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:22:12AM I WANT TO WARN COUNCIL THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER.
10:22:15AM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS REVIEWING THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE
10:22:19AM RESIDENTS.
10:22:20AM THIS MATTER IS NOT TERMINATED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
10:22:22AM IT IS STILL PENDING.
10:22:23AM SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE
10:22:27AM COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT.
10:22:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY.
10:22:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. MASSEY.
10:22:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:22:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU EXPLAIN -- IT MAY COME BACK BEFORE
10:22:36AM US?
10:22:37AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IT MAY COME BACK.
10:22:38AM WE ARE LOOKING WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY, ADVICE GIVEN,
10:22:41AM LOOKING AT THE CODE, AND THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY
10:22:43AM THE RESIDENTS.
10:22:44AM WE ARE IN RIGHT OF THOSE E-MAILS.
10:22:46AM IT MAY COME BACK BEFORE YOU.
10:22:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE OF THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOW TO COMMENT
10:22:50AM AT ALL.
10:22:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: CORRECT.
10:22:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOUR TIME WILL BE THE FULL AMOUNT OF TIME.
10:22:55AM >> ABOUT A YEAR AGO THE ZONING OFFICIAL MADE A NEUROAND
10:22:57AM SOUND JUDGMENT IN THIS CASE DENYING THIS NEW PARKING LOT IN
10:23:01AM HISTORIC YBOR CITY.
10:23:03AM IT WAS SUPPORTED BY FACTS.
10:23:04AM ACCURATELY REFLECTED THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
10:23:06AM BUT STRANGELY WEEKS LATER, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
10:23:11AM ACCEPTED A MAGIC LETTER FROM THE PARKING COMPANY.
10:23:14AM 22 YEARS LATER -- 22 YEARS LATER WITH NO CHAIN OF CUSTODY TO
10:23:21AM THIS LETTER, NEVER RECORDED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD THEY
10:23:25AM ACCEPT THIS LETTER AND INFLUENCE THE ZONING OFFICIAL TO
10:23:27AM RESCIND HIS OPINION.
10:23:29AM THIS DOES NOT PASS THE SMELL TEST BY A LONG STRETCH.
10:23:33AM CAN YOU IMAGINE THE CHAOS IF YOU ALLOWED THAT TYPE OF A
10:23:37AM PROCESS INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS?
10:23:40AM IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTE CHAOS.
10:23:43AM SO TWO WEEKS LATER WE CAME TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU.
10:23:47AM AND AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE MUZZLED AND THE GLIB RESPONSE FROM
10:23:52AM THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WAS, IT'S IN THE CODE.
10:23:55AM THAT WAS HER RESPONSE.
10:23:57AM I AM A DEVELOPER.
10:23:59AM AND I HAVE BEEN IN YBOR CITY DOING WORK FOR 20 YEARS.
10:24:02AM AND I NEVER HAD A RESPONSE LIKE THAT.
10:24:05AM I WORKED WITH THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION.
10:24:07AM THEY INSTRUCTS YOU YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNTS OF TIME.
10:24:10AM HERE IS THE NOTICE PERIOD.
10:24:11AM THIS IS THE PROCESS.
10:24:12AM THIS IS NOT WHAT WE GOT.
10:24:13AM PLEASE READ OUR LETTERS FOR YOURSELVES.
10:24:15AM PLEASE LOOK INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE.
10:24:17AM ASK YOURSELF, WHY IS ZONING THAT WAS SETTLED 22 YEARS AGO
10:24:23AM BEING OVERTURNED IN THIS WAY IN THIS MANNER.
10:24:27AM AT A TIME WHEN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD OF YBOR CITY HAS
10:24:31AM BEEN PROMISED THAT THESE DIRT LOTS AND THEIR TRASH AND THEIR
10:24:35AM NOISE AND THEIR SHOOTINGS WOULD BE TEMPORARY.
10:24:38AM WE WERE TOLD THIS WAS AN INTERIM PARKING LOT SITUATION.
10:24:41AM WE WERE TOLD THAT.
10:24:42AM INSTEAD YOU ALL ARE, PUN INTENDED, PAVING THE WAY FOR A NEW
10:24:49AM PARKING LO THE IN HISTORIC YBOR CITY.
10:24:51AM IF YOU HAVE A SHRED OF LOVE FOR YBOR CITY, PLEASE GET IN
10:24:54AM CONTACT WITH US.
10:24:55AM PLEASE HEAR THE REAL STORY.
10:24:57AM THANK YOU.
10:24:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:24:58AM SIR, WE ARE GOING TO GO ONE MORE TIME OVER TO THIS LADY HERE
10:25:02AM AND COME BACK TO YOU AND PLEASE EVERYBODY IF YOU ARE GOING
10:25:04AM TO SPEAK LINE UP ON THE LEFT.
10:25:06AM MY LEFT.
10:25:07AM YOUR RIGHT.
10:25:08AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:25:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MASSEY RELATE AGAIN WITH THE PUBLIC --
10:25:14AM WE CAN'T CONTACT.
10:25:16AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: STILL PENDING.
10:25:18AM A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
10:25:20AM COUNCIL CAN'T HEAR THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MATTER.
10:25:23AM IT MAY COME BACK TO YOU ALL.
10:25:24AM AGAIN, WE ARE REVIEWING WHAT HAPPENED.
10:25:26AM AND IT REALLY WILL BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE COMMENTS TO
10:25:30AM BE HELD IN ABEYANCE AND COUNCIL CANNOT RESPOND AND REALLY
10:25:33AM SHOULD NOT BE REVIEWING EVIDENCE OUTSIDE OF A QUASI JUDICIAL
10:25:37AM AREA.
10:25:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:25:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, I AM NANCY STEVENS.
10:25:41AM VOLUNTEER WITH THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB AND A MEMBER OF THE
10:25:44AM STAKEHOLDER GROUP WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THE PURE PROJECT.
10:25:47AM THAT IS WHERE MY COMMENTS ARE.
10:25:49AM THANK YOU FOR POSTPONING FOR A MONTH THE DISCUSSION ON THIS,
10:25:53AM BECAUSE WE DID SEE THAT PROPOSED CONTRACT AMENDMENT JUST --
10:25:56AM I GOT IT IN THE E-MAIL OVER THE WEEKEND.
10:25:58AM AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT BEFORE THAT.
10:26:00AM EVEN THOUGH THE STAKEHOLDER ARE MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS
10:26:05AM WITH THE IS IT I.
10:26:05AM WE APPRECIATE HAVING MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
10:26:08AM MY OFFICIAL CONCERNS LOOKING AT IT REALLY IS NOT NECESSARILY
10:26:11AM THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO THE PRELIMINARY PHRASE.
10:26:13AM I AM ENCOURAGED BY THE PRELIMINARY LOOK OF FIVE ALTERNATIVES
10:26:17AM -- TO THE COMMITMENT TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH.
10:26:20AM AND GET -- DO A SURVEY HOWEVER I STILL HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS.
10:26:30AM THIS WON'T SLIDE TO A STOP.
10:26:32AM THIS IS A PRELIMINARY.
10:26:32AM WE ARE COMMIT TO LOOKING AT IT.
10:26:34AM MY FEAR IS THAT THIS CONTRACTOR WILL GO AHEAD AND DO A
10:26:42AM SURVEY AND NOT LISTEN TOP PUBLIC OPINION.
10:26:44AM MY FEAR WOULD BE A PR JOB AND NOT A TRUE BACK AND FOR THE.
10:26:48AM MY OTHER FEAR WILL LOOK AT THE FIVE ALTERNATIVES, DO AN
10:26:52AM ANALYSIS AND COME UP WITH THE ONE THAT IT LIKES.
10:26:55AM IT IS A CONTRACTOR.
10:26:56AM THEIR PRIMARY GOAL IS NOT TO KEEP THE COST DOWN.
10:26:59AM THEIR PRIMARY GOAL WILL BE TO GET A CONTRACT.
10:27:01AM SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU ADD A HARD STOP BETWEEN THIS
10:27:07AM PHASE AND THE NEXT PHASE.
10:27:09AM THAT YOU GET ALL THE RESULTS YOU GET THE ANALYSIS OF THE
10:27:14AM FIVE ALTERNATIVES FROM THESE CONTRACTORS AND GREAT THEY USE
10:27:16AM THEIR EXPERTISE TO GIVE AN ANALYSIS AND HAVE AN INDEPENDENT
10:27:21AM PANEL LOOK AT THOSE RESULTS.
10:27:23AM GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GET REAL FEEDBACK.
10:27:26AM GET THEIR QUESTIONS.
10:27:27AM AND HAVE THE CITY ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.
10:27:30AM AND TALK MUCH THE CONTAMINANT.
10:27:31AM A HUGE ISSUE.
10:27:32AM IT IS EXPENSIVE TO TREAT -- TO GET RID OF THE CONTAMINANTS.
10:27:36AM WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN THE WATER.
10:27:39AM WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THE WASTEWATER.
10:27:43AM THERE NEEDS TO BE A STUDY AND THAT HAS TO BE REMOVED.
10:27:46AM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
10:27:47AM AND SO THAT IS BASICALLY IT.
10:27:51AM WE NEED TO HAVE INDEPENDENT PANEL.
10:27:53AM LOOK, WE WANT -- WE WANT SAFE WATER FOR THE CITIZENS.
10:27:57AM WE WANT INEXPENSIVE WATER.
10:28:01AM IF WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON AN OVERBLOWN
10:28:05AM PURE PROJECT, WE CAN USE IT FOR OTHER SERVICES THAT IS
10:28:07AM NEEDED FOR THE CITY THAN SPENDING MONEY CON VERDICTING
10:28:11AM WASTEWATER TO DRINKING WATER WHEN WE DON'T NEED TO.
10:28:14AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:28:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:28:16AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
10:28:19AM >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
10:28:20AM AM I ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON THE QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER.
10:28:25AM I HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY SINCE IT IS PUBLIC FORUM.
10:28:28AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YOU HAVE A RIGHT OF PUBLIC COMMENT BUT WE
10:28:30AM WOULD PREFER -- THIS MAY BE COMING BACK TO THEM WHERE YOU
10:28:33AM WILL HAVE A RIGHT TO PRESENT IT.
10:28:34AM IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A QUASI JUDICIAL MANNER SO BOTH SIDES
10:28:38AM HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAR BEFORE COUNCIL AT THE SAME TIME TO
10:28:41AM PRESENT BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE A
10:28:44AM DECISION.
10:28:45AM >> I GUESS MY THOUGHT IT, SINCE IT MAY BE COMING BACK TO YOU
10:28:49AM OR MAY NOT BE COMING BACK TO YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MY
10:28:52AM THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS IT.
10:28:53AM IN CASE IT DOESN'T.
10:28:54AM I BELIEVE IT WAS POORLY HANDLED.
10:28:56AM I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY CHEF.
10:28:58AM CHRIS CURRIE, PRESIDENT OF THE HISTORIC YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD
10:29:02AM ASSOCIATION.
10:29:02AM 125-C.
10:29:05AM MYSELF AND MANY OF THE RESIDENTS OF HISTORIC YBOR CITY
10:29:09AM BELIEVE THIS IS BEING HANDLED WITH A MINIMUM OF INCOMPETENCE
10:29:12AM AND MAXIMUM OF DECEPTION.
10:29:14AM THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ARE OVERLOOKING
10:29:18AM BASIC PROPERTY LAW AND ADVOCATING FOR PROPERTY OWNERS
10:29:22AM INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTS.
10:29:23AM WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TRYING TO ASSERT
10:29:26AM PROPERTY RIGHTS OF A ZONING CHANGE BASED ON A LETTER THAT
10:29:30AM WAS WRITTEN PRIOR TO THEM OWNING THE PROPERTY.
10:29:32AM IF YOU DON'T OWN A PROPERTY, YOU CAN'T ASSERT PROPERTY OWNER
10:29:37AM RIGHTS.
10:29:38AM MAGIC LETTER THAT DAVID BAILEY REFERENCED SHOWED UP.
10:29:41AM IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BY MR.
10:29:45AM MICHELINI ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IT BASICALLY
10:29:48AM SAID, YOU KNOW, WE -- WE DID NOT WANT THIS ZONING TO TAKE
10:29:52AM PLACE.
10:29:52AM IT WAS WRITTEN ON DIFFERENT LETTERHEAD.
10:29:56AM IT WAS FOUND 22 YEARS AFTER THE FACT AND STINKS ALL AROUND.
10:30:00AM I BELIEVE IT IS BEING MISHANDLED.
10:30:02AM YBOR CITY IS THE ONLY NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICT IN
10:30:06AM TAMPA.
10:30:06AM ONE OF THREE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
10:30:08AM IT SHOULD BE TREATED AND REGARDED AS THE EIFFEL TOWER OF
10:30:11AM PARIS.
10:30:12AM WHEN PEOPLE COME TO TAMPA, THEY NEED TO VISIT YBOR CITY.
10:30:15AM IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING GREAT.
10:30:17AM DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANOTHER PARKING LOT.
10:30:19AM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESISTER 121125-C, SINCE THE
10:30:27AM CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS OWNED THIS PROPERTY NEVER USED FOR
10:30:30AM PARKING DESPITE THEIR AFFIDAVIT THAT IT HAS.
10:30:33AM IT HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE.
10:30:35AM 22 YEARS, COUNCIL.
10:30:36AM 22 YEARS THEY COULDN'T GET IT TOGETHER AND BRING IT UP TO
10:30:39AM CODE AS A PARKING LOT.
10:30:40AM AND THEY ARE ASKING YOU NOW TO GIVE THEM THE EXCEPTIONS.
10:30:43AM TO GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
10:30:45AM AND THE RESIDENTS DON'T THINK THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.
10:30:49AM IF IT COMES UP AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THIS TO BE A
10:30:52AM PARKING LOT.
10:30:53AM THANK YOU.
10:30:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:30:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:31:06AM MY NAME IS MALIK ABULAR.
10:31:12AM AND WE HAVE A MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:31:14AM AND WE SELECT LEADERSHIP TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES FROM A
10:31:23AM COLLECTIVE DIDN'T.
10:31:25AM THAT COLLECTIVENESS SHOULD BE REPRESENTED BY AND FOR THE
10:31:29AM PEOPLE AND WHEN YOU DON'T DO THAT, YOU WILL GET COMPLAINT
10:31:36AM FROM PETER OR PAUL.
10:31:41AM IF PAUL IS BEING ROBBED PAUL IS GOING TO HOLLER AND SCREAM
10:31:49AM BLOODY MURDER.
10:31:49AM PETER WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING.
10:31:52AM I SAY THIS IN REFERENCE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ELECTED YOU
10:31:55AM GUYS TO REPRESENT.
10:31:57AM THERE ARE A SECTION OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE COMPLAINING,
10:31:59AM THAT ARE CRYING WITH REGARD TO HOUSING.
10:32:02AM HOW HOUSING HAS IMPACTED UNDERPRIVILEGED PEOPLE.
10:32:11AM HOW IT HAS IMPACTED BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:32:13AM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
10:32:14AM THE ROADWAYS.
10:32:16AM WHEN I SAY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE EDUCATION THAT THEY ARE
10:32:20AM GETTING.
10:32:20AM CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DISCOVERED AMERICA.
10:32:24AM COME ON.
10:32:25AM THIS STUFF IS STILL THERE.
10:32:26AM THIS IS A COMPLAINT.
10:32:27AM AND LEADERSHIP IS THERE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE PEOPLE.
10:32:35AM IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE PEOPLE, WHAT IS THE
10:32:39AM PURPOSE IN WHAT DO THE PEOPLE KNOW NEED YOU FOR.
10:32:44AM YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.
10:32:45AM ELECTIONS COMING UP IN THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE
10:32:48AM COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ISSUES.
10:32:50AM THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO WILL SAY, WELL, THIS GUY
10:32:53AM HERE IS NOT REPRESENTING MY CONCERN.
10:32:58AM THERE IS AN EXPRESSION THAT SAYS "PICK YOUR GAME UP."
10:33:03AM PICK YOUR GAME UP AND ADDRESS THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS OF THE
10:33:06AM COMMUNITY YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING.
10:33:15AM AND APPLY SOLUTIONS THAT WILL AFFECT THE COMMUNITY.
10:33:17AM A COMPLAINT ABOUT JOBS.
10:33:19AM I GO OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD -- ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
10:33:21AM I SEE YOUNG BLACK MEN.
10:33:27AM THIS IS A PRODUCT HOW THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TREATED
10:33:34AM ALIENATED OR DENIED.
10:33:35AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEAR THIS OR NOT, BUT AN ONGOING
10:33:38AM SITUATION.
10:33:39AM THIS JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY.
10:33:41AM IN THIS ONGOING SITUATION, THERE CAN BE -- THERE IS A
10:33:45AM SOLUTION.
10:33:47AM SO GUYS SHOULD CONTACT THE COMMUNITY.
10:33:50AM ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY.
10:33:51AM GET PEOPLE ON ADVISORY BOARDS MAKE IT EMBLEMATIC OF THE
10:34:02AM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:34:02AM NOT JUST EUROPEAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE
10:34:05AM PROBLEM.
10:34:06AM I KNOW -- THAT'S IT.
10:34:07AM THANK YOU.
10:34:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:34:11AM NEXT, PLEASE.
10:34:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, LINDA WIGGINS-CHAVIS FROM FAITH
10:34:22AM IN FLORIDA.
10:34:23AM I HAVE SPOKEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE HOUSING
10:34:26AM CRISIS.
10:34:28AM I'M HERE AGAIN TO SPEAK OF THE HOUSING CRISIS.
10:34:31AM BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY THIS TIME IS THAT WHEN I TALKED ABOUT
10:34:37AM THE CRISIS BECOMING CATASTROPHIC, SOME OF YOU AGREED WITH
10:34:42AM ME.
10:34:43AM WHAT WE NEED NOW IS FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO MAKE
10:34:47AM A MOTION TO HAVE THIS DECLARED AS A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
10:34:50AM AND I, FOR ONE, DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR CONTINUED SILENCE AS
10:35:02AM EITHER COMPLACENCY.
10:35:08AM WE NEED SOMETHING TO BE DONE AND WE NEED SOMEBODY TO HAVE
10:35:11AM THE COURAGE TO DO IT.
10:35:13AM THANK YOU.
10:35:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:35:15AM NEXT PLEASE.
10:35:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, RIVA IMAN.
10:35:21AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT HOUSING.
10:35:25AM AS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, I AM OUT THERE EVERY DAY, DOOR TO
10:35:30AM DOOR, LISTENING TO THE STORIES.
10:35:33AM YOU HAVE THE OUR FLORIDA PROGRAM.
10:35:38AM ONLY TEMPORARY.
10:35:39AM I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE WAITED FOR RENT TO COME IN AND
10:35:42AM GOT EVICTED ONLY FOR THE RENT TO COME IN A MONTH LATER AND
10:35:46AM THEM AND CHILDREN ARE OUT LIVING IN CARS AND THINGS OF THAT
10:35:51AM NATURE.
10:35:51AM THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
10:35:53AM WE NEED FOR Y'ALL TO MAKE A DECISION TO DO SOMETHING.
10:35:55AM I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT THESE PLANS, THESE LAWS AN AND WHAT
10:36:02AM CAN BE DONE.
10:36:03AM RIGHT NOW YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
10:36:05AM BEING HOMELESS.
10:36:06AM I AM OUT HERE -- AND I AM A STRONG INDIVIDUAL.
10:36:11AM PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BURGER KINGS -- TO TAKE SHOWERS TO WIPE
10:36:19AM THEMSELVES OFF AND BRUSH THEIR TEETH BECAUSE OF THIS.
10:36:22AM THIS IS A SERIOUS SITUATION.
10:36:23AM I UNDERSTAND YOU AND YOUR FAMILY MAY NOT BE GOING THROUGH
10:36:25AM THIS, BUT MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT ARE
10:36:28AM BECOMING HOMELESS EVERY DAY.
10:36:30AM THE FUNDING THAT YOU PUT INTO THE PROGRAM, THANKFUL, BUT
10:36:35AM THAT IS ONLY TEMPORARY.
10:36:36AM TODAY YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING OF MAKING A DECISION.
10:36:39AM BECAUSE TEMPORARY FUNDING IS ONLY TEMPORARY.
10:36:42AM WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THAT.
10:36:46AM EVERY DAY, SOMEONE IS BECOMING HOMELESS.
10:36:52AM I AM OUT THERE SEEING IT.
10:36:53AM TALKING TO THEM.
10:36:54AM I AM WITH THEM.
10:36:55AM TRYING TO GIVE THEM SOLUTIONINGS AND RESOURCES -- SOLUTIONS
10:36:59AM AND WHAT I KNOW AND THE PROGRAM TO HELP THEM WITH ELECTRIC
10:37:03AM AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT TODAY WE NEED TO MAKE THE
10:37:08AM DECISION.
10:37:08AM BECAUSE EACH DAY THAT YOU KEEP PUT THIS OFF, THERE ARE 20
10:37:12AM MORE PEOPLE BECOMING HOMELESS EVERY DAY AND IT DOESN'T MAKE
10:37:15AM SENSE.
10:37:16AM IT REALLY DOESN'T.
10:37:17AM IT HURTS ME TO MY HEART I AM OUT THERE BEATING THE PAVEMENT
10:37:21AM TALKING TO THOSE PEOPLE TRYING TO GIVE THEM THOSE RESOURCES
10:37:24AM AND YOU CONTINUE TO PUT IT OFF FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS.
10:37:27AM TODAY WE WANT YOU TO MAKE A DECISION.
10:37:29AM BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE A DECISION, IT CAN HELP SOMEONE VERY
10:37:33AM SOON.
10:37:34AM THANK YOU.
10:37:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:37:37AM [APPLAUSE]
10:37:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.
10:37:42AM >> GOOD MORNING, HARRISON LUNDY.
10:37:45AM I AM WITH THE LOCAL ORGANIZATION FLORIDA FOR CHANGE.
10:37:48AM I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE EVENTS OF, I BELIEVE, SATURDAY,
10:37:51AM JULY 23.
10:37:53AM FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T AWARE, THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER WAS
10:37:56AM THE HOST OF THE TURNING POINT USA STUDENT ACTION SUMMIT.
10:37:59AM I WAS OUT THERE PROTESTING THE EVENT WITH MULTIPLE
10:38:02AM ORGANIZATIONS.
10:38:03AM AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT NONE OF US WERE GOING TO
10:38:06AM STAND FOR THEIR PRESENCE THERE.
10:38:08AM NOT EVEN GETTING TO THE NAZI PRESENCE THAT WAS THERE,
10:38:11AM LITERALLY WITH THE SIGNS AND CUSTOMS AND WHATEVER, WORKSHOP
10:38:15AM ATTACKED AND FOLLOWED BY ATTENDEES.
10:38:18AM WE WERE SURVEILED.
10:38:19AM WE WERE HURT BY UNDERCOVER TP MEMBERS.
10:38:24AM I, MYSELF, WAS ALMOST THROWN DOWN THE STAIRS OF THE
10:38:27AM CONVENTION CENTER WHERE I ENSURED -- DID MY BEST TO ENSURE
10:38:32AM THE SAFETY OF MY PROTESTERS.
10:38:34AM WHEN WE TALK OF THE TPD RAISE, THE 18.5% RAISE.
10:38:39AM ONE OF OUR ORGANIZERS HAD TO BEG TPD TO INTERVENE AT ALL
10:38:44AM UNTIL HE ALMOST LOST HIS VOICE.
10:38:46AM IN REGARDS TO THIS RAISE, TPD HAS PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN
10:38:51AM INCLUDING RECENTLY THAT THEY ARE USELESS.
10:38:53AM USELESS IN PROTECTING PROTESTERS, USELESS IN RESPOND TO
10:38:57AM MENTAL HEALTH CRISES WITH 988, USELESS IN ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:39:04AM REFER TO THE TPD AT THE PRO TESTS WHO WITH HE HAD TO BEG TO
10:39:10AM INTERVENE OR THE LACK OF APOLOGY TO THE FAMILY OF ARTHUR
10:39:14AM GREEN, JR.
10:39:14AM THE FAMILY OF A BLACK PERSON WHO DIED OF A DIABETIC
10:39:18AM EMERGENCY IN TPD DETAINMENT.
10:39:22AM I DON'T KNOW WHY TPD NEEDS A RAISE WITH THE HOUSING STATE OF
10:39:27AM EMERGENCY.
10:39:27AM THE MONEY RIGHT THERE.
10:39:28AM $40 MILLION OF TAX BONUSES OR SOMETHING.
10:39:31AM YOU KNOW WE COULD PUT THAT TOWARD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PUBLIC
10:39:35AM HOUSING.
10:39:36AM PUT THAT TOWARD AFFORDABLE TRANSPORTATION.
10:39:38AM AND LIKE I SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE UP HERE DOING ALL THIS
10:39:41AM WORK.
10:39:42AM YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN WORKED THROUGH CONSERVATIVE TWITTER.
10:39:45AM I HAVE DONE THE ROUNDS, ALL RIGHT.
10:39:47AM SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, I AM DEMANDING A FORMAL APOLOGY FROM
10:39:51AM THE CITY COUNCIL AND A FORMAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
10:39:53AM I CHECKED EVERYBODY'S SOCIAL MEDIA STATEMENTS, EVERYTHING.
10:39:56AM NOT ONE STATEMENT.
10:39:57AM NOT ONE APOLOGY ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR OR THE CITY COUNCIL
10:40:00AM THAT I HAVE SEEN.
10:40:00AM AND SAYING SORRY AFTER I AM DONE SPEAK SOMETHING NOT GOING
10:40:04AM TO CUT IT.
10:40:06AM I WANT SOMETHING FORMAL.
10:40:07AM WE WANT SOMETHING FORMAL.
10:40:08AM IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, WE ARE ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN, ALL
10:40:12AM RIGHT.
10:40:12AM IF WE ARE NOT OKAY WITH IT.
10:40:14AM WE NEED TO SAY SO.
10:40:15AM WE NEED TO CONDEMN THE EVENTS OF SATURDAY AND WE NEED TO
10:40:18AM APOLOGIZE AND DEMAND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DOES THE STAPLE
10:40:21AM BECAUSE 2023 I BELIEVE IS AN ELECTION YEAR AND I WANT TO
10:40:25AM DRIVE IT HOME, THAT ALL OF YOU ARE UP FOR REELECTION.
10:40:27AM IF YOU ARE GOING TO STAY IN OFFICE, I SUGGESTS WE DO THE
10:40:30AM RIGHT THING AND REALLY TIME TO DO BETTER.
10:40:32AM THANK YOU.
10:40:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:40:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, ALICE MOORE WITH FLORIDA RISING
10:40:42AM AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING LATOYA GILBERT WHO CAN SHOW SOME
10:40:47AM OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH BEING -- BEING WITHOUT
10:40:52AM REPRESENT.
10:40:53AM HAVING TO WIND UP -- I AM SPEAKING BECAUSE SHE IS TOO FULL
10:40:58AM TO TALK.
10:40:59AM SHE WAS WORKING AT ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS -- STEAKHOUSE
10:41:03AM RESTAURANTS THAT LOST HER JOB.
10:41:04AM SHE WAS RENT WITH SO-CALLED FRIENDS IN A CONDO THAT THEY
10:41:08AM DIDN'T LET HER KNOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF RENTING AND
10:41:11AM SHE HAD TO LEAVE IN THREE MONTHS.
10:41:13AM SHE HAS FOUR CHILDREN.
10:41:14AM SHE IS LIVING IN A HOTEL WITH THE FOUR CHILDREN BETWEEN THE
10:41:17AM AGES -- I BELIEVE THE AGES ARE 10 TO 118 WHICH IS REALLY
10:41:21AM DEBT TRITTMENT FOR CHILDREN.
10:41:23AM SHE HAS NOW -- CAN YOU IMAGINE HAVING A PART-TIME JOB
10:41:27AM WORKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOT BE ABLE TO GET.
10:41:30AM SHE IS IN THE STREET TALKING TO PEOPLE.
10:41:31AM AND SHE CAN'T GET A PLACE TO STAY HERSELF.
10:41:34AM LIVING IN A HOTEL $600, $700 A WEEK IS QUITE TRAUMATIC FOR
10:41:41AM SOMEONE AND STILL HAVE THE THOUGHT OF NOT HAVING A PLACE TO
10:41:44AM STAY OR EVEN GETTING A PLACE TO STAY.
10:41:45AM SHE IS ALSO BATTLING STAGE 3 OF CANCER.
10:41:48AM SO ALL OF THIS -- THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IS
10:41:51AM HAPPENING TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE, A LOT OF THEM.
10:41:54AM WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
10:41:55AM THEY ARE HOMELESS.
10:41:56AM NOWHERE TO GO.
10:41:58AM HAVING CHILDREN -- YOU CAN IMAGINE THE EFFECT ON THE
10:42:01AM CHILDREN GOING PLACE TO PLACE, IF YOU CAN GO ANYPLACE.
10:42:04AM I KNOW ALL THE PLACES, BUT THESE ARE AM SO OF THE THINGS
10:42:06AM THAT ARE HAPPENING SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE.
10:42:08AM AND JUST THINK STAGE 3 OF CANCER HAVING TO FIGHT THAT WITH
10:42:11AM ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
10:42:12AM BUT IS TO LET YOU KNOW THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE
10:42:15AM HAPPENING TO PEOPLE IN THE STREET, HOMELESS AND LIVING IN
10:42:18AM CARS.
10:42:19AM JUST WANTED TO SPEAK.
10:42:20AM LIKE I SAID SHE IS STILL EMOTIONAL WHY I AM HUGGING ON TO
10:42:25AM HER TO TELL HER PART.
10:42:27AM PLEASE, PLEASE, NOT A JOKE.
10:42:29AM SOMETHING VERY SINCERE AND WE SHOULD NOT HAVE PEOPLE ON THE
10:42:33AM STREETS ARE ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
10:42:35AM STABILIZATION, RENT CONTROL.
10:42:38AM HOW -- JUST -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:42:41AM IT IS ALMOST A JOKE.
10:42:43AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD WORK ON AND BE
10:42:46AM REALISTIC.
10:42:47AM THINK OF THE PEOPLE IN THE STREET TO HAVE AND NO THE HAVE
10:42:49AM ANYTHING.
10:42:50AM WANT TO LET YOU KNOW AND TO SAY SOMETHING TO YOU
10:42:52AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THIS IS
10:42:55AM HAPPENING TO PEOPLE ALL OVER.
10:42:56AM THANK YOU.
10:42:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:42:57AM >> HELLO, NOAH MEYERS, CONCERNED CITIZEN.
10:43:08AM I WANT TO START THIS OFF BY SAYING IT IS PROFOUNDLY
10:43:12AM OFFENSIVE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND BECK FOR JUST
10:43:16AM DECENT HUMANITY TO BE ACTED UPON.
10:43:18AM WE HAVE A HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT IS BASICALLY
10:43:22AM TOOTHLESS.
10:43:23AM IT IS INEFFECTUAL, TAKES TOO LONG FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY GET
10:43:27AM THEIR APPLICATIONS HEARD AND THE MONEY TO THEM.
10:43:29AM IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GO DIRECTLY TO THEM.
10:43:32AM IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE LANDLORDS AND THE LEASING MANAGEMENT
10:43:35AM COMPANIES THAT -- THE MONEY IS ALREADY TOO MUCH.
10:43:40AM AND IT MAKES IT A SLOW -- A VERY SLOW PROCESS FOR THESE
10:43:43AM PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY GET MONEY INTO THEIR HANDS AND TO STAY
10:43:46AM OFF THE STREET.
10:43:47AM WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
10:43:51AM WE CAN NOT HAVE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE BEING OUT ON THE STREET
10:43:54AM BEING REPRESENT BURDENED FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AND WHEN
10:43:58AM THEY FINALLY GET KICKED OUT, AFTER STAVING OFF FOR A LONG
10:44:02AM PERIOD OF TIME, BEING OUT ON THE STREET TO THEN NOT HAVE
10:44:06AM ANYTHING TO BE WITH THEM.
10:44:07AM I MEAN, THEY ARE -- IT IS A SQUEEZE.
10:44:11AM THEY ARE BEING SQUEEZED.
10:44:13AM WE DON'T PAY ENOUGH PEOPLE.
10:44:14AM WE DON'T PAY THE WORKERS ENOUGH HERE.
10:44:16AM AND THEN THEIR RENT IS GOING UP AT THE SAME EXACT TIME.
10:44:21AM THAT IS THE COST OF INFLATION.
10:44:22AM AND THE WAY TO FIGHT INFLATION IS NOT THROUGH -- IT IS
10:44:30AM THROUGH INCREASING TAXES ON THE WEALTHY IN THE CITY.
10:44:32AM AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOUSES SO THE
10:44:37AM EFFECTS OF THE NATIONAL EVENTS -- THE NATIONAL PATTERNS THAT
10:44:42AM ARE GOING ON DO NOT AFFECT THIS CITY IN THE SAME WAY IT DOES
10:44:46AM OTHER PLACES.
10:44:46AM WOULDN'T YOU WANT THIS CITY TO BE A SHINING LIGHT FOR THE
10:44:49AM PEOPLE AND NOT JUST A PLACE WHERE THE RICH -- ANOTHER PLACE
10:44:54AM IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE THE RICH ARE BENEFITING OFF THE
10:44:58AM SUFFERING OF PEOPLE.
10:44:59AM AND THAT IS JUST NOT OKAY ANYWHERE BUT ESPECIALLY NOT HERE
10:45:04AM IN MY HOME WITH THESE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE BEGGING YOU TO
10:45:07AM ACTUALLY ACT WITH THE URGENCY THAT IS REQUIRED.
10:45:09AM THANK YOU.
10:45:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:45:11AM MISS POYNOR, IF I MAY.
10:45:19AM I SAW YOUR NAME WAS ON THE CALL-IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:45:21AM WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO REMOVE YOU FROM THAT.
10:45:24AM >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
10:45:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN OUT AND CALL IN AFTER
10:45:29AM THAT.
10:45:29AM >> I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
10:45:30AM IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS.
10:45:34AM THAT IS WHAT EVERYTHING CIRCLES AROUND.
10:45:37AM I SUPPORT THESE FOLKS ABOUT HOUSING, BUT THEY CAN SPEAK MORE
10:45:40AM IN DEPTH OF HOUSING AND I THINK I HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT
10:45:43AM NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
10:45:44AM FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CMT.
10:45:47AM I AM LOOKING AROUND AT MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE
10:45:50AM WHO ARE SITTING HERE.
10:45:51AM AND JUST THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ALONE, IF WE AVERAGE OUT THEIR
10:45:55AM INCOME, JUST IN THEM ALONE WE HAVE $1.8 MILLION A YEAR WORTH
10:46:01AM OF SALARIES SITTING BEHIND ME.
10:46:03AM I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FURTHER DOWN THE
10:46:06AM FOOD CHAIN.
10:46:06AM I AM TALKING ABOUT THE TOP ECHELON.
10:46:09AM THAT IS $34,616 A WEEK.
10:46:12AM THAT IS $6900 FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO SIT HERE TODAY OF OUR TAX
10:46:17AM DOLLARS INSTEAD OF LETTING SOME OF THEM SIT AT THEIR DESK
10:46:20AM WHERE THEY CAN BE CALLED ON, IF NECESSARY.
10:46:21AM CMT IS IMPORTANT.
10:46:24AM THIS IS A WASTE OF OUR STAFF'S TIME.
10:46:26AM IF THEY ARE SITTING HERE EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY, WE ARE
10:46:29AM REDUCING THEIR PRODUCTIVITY BY 20%.
10:46:33AM I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ATTORNEYS.
10:46:35AM I AM TALKING ABOUT OUR STAFF WHO HAVE JOBS TO DO.
10:46:39AM THIS IS A WASTE OF OUR MONEY.
10:46:40AM CITIZENS NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK VIA CMT.
10:46:43AM I HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS TOLD ALL
10:46:47AM THESE PEOPLE TO BE HERE.
10:46:48AM BECAUSE A MONTH AGO, ALL THESE PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE HERE.
10:46:51AM WHO TOLD THEM TO BE HERE?
10:46:53AM AND WHY HAS THE POLICY BEEN CHANGED WITHOUT LETTING THE
10:46:55AM PUBLIC KNOW?
10:46:57AM BACK TO MY OTHER ISSUE, LITTERING FINES SHOULD BE NO LESS
10:47:00AM THAN $500.
10:47:01AM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
10:47:04AM CITY COUNCIL NEEDS ADDITIONAL STAFF.
10:47:08AM WE NEED TO HAVE A JUNIOR TO MR. SHELBY.
10:47:12AM HE IS -- WE NEED TO HAVE THE FUTURE TO COME BEHIND HIM.
10:47:15AM WE CAN NOT DEPEND ON HIM FOREVER.
10:47:18AM NO ONE PERSON SHOULD RIDE ANY TRAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE
10:47:22AM STATION.
10:47:22AM AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY IN HERE LEARNING FROM HIM NOW ON
10:47:25AM HOW TO BE AN EXCELLENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL.
10:47:29AM NONE OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO DISH OUT
10:47:33AM THEIR OWN PERSONAL FUNDS TO DEFENDS THEMSELVES FOR THEIR
10:47:35AM JOBS.
10:47:36AM PART-TIME JOBS AT THAT.
10:47:38AM YOU GUYS GET LESS THAN PART-TIME MONEY
10:47:42AM BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS
10:47:46AM THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT SUCK ABOUT TODAY, BUT I WANT
10:47:48AM YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK PURE
10:47:52AM SUCKS.
10:47:53AM AND CMT SHOULD REMAIN.
10:47:56AM AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.
10:47:59AM I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO TOLD THEM.
10:48:01AM WHO TOLD THEM THEY HAVE TO BE HERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE
10:48:05AM HERE EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY.
10:48:07AM THAT WASN'T THE CASE FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS ON END.
10:48:11AM PLEASE ADMIT WHO YOU ARE.
10:48:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:48:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:48:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAYBE MR. BENNETT CAN ADDRESS THAT.
10:48:19AM A POLICY THAT STAFF MEMBERS NEED TO BE HERE VERSUS BEING ON
10:48:25AM CAMERA?
10:48:26AM I AM JUST WONDERING.
10:48:27AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:48:30AM ALL GUIDED BY THE AGENDA REVIEW ON STAFF REPORTS.
10:48:33AM STAFF REPORTS WERE MOVED UP IN FRONT OF THE AGENDA.
10:48:35AM SO WHEN THEY RARE A PRESENCE FROM STAFF THEY MAKE THE
10:48:40AM DETERMINATION WHETHER THEY CAN WORK HERE AND WORK AT DESK
10:48:43AM AND TIME IT ACCORDINGLY.
10:48:44AM IT IS REALLY THEIR DECISION.
10:48:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
10:48:48AM THEIR DECISION.
10:48:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
10:48:50AM >> THANK YOU.
10:48:51AM MY NAME IS TEQIA JOHNSON.
10:48:57AM I AM A CITIZEN OF TAMPA, AN ACTIVE VOTER AND I AM A MOTHER.
10:49:01AM I RESIDE AT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING.
10:49:03AM SO I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS.
10:49:07AM SO I, MYSELF, HAD TO APPLY FOR ONE OF THE RESOURCES THAT OUR
10:49:13AM FLORIDA RESOURCES AVAILABLE BECAUSE I LOST MY JOB.
10:49:17AM I AM NOT ONE -- I DON'T HAVE A CAREER.
10:49:21AM I HAVE A JOB.
10:49:22AM WHEN I AM ABLE TO GET A JOB.
10:49:24AM I TAKE WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE FOR ME SO I CAN PROVIDE FOR MY
10:49:29AM CHILDREN.
10:49:29AM WE DO LIVE COMFORTABLY, BUT WE HAVE HAD INCREASE IN -- IN
10:49:35AM RENT TWICE.
10:49:36AM AND WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, THE REPRESENT INCREASED $111 IN
10:49:40AM THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.
10:49:41AM AND SO WITH SOMEBODY LIKE ME WHO GOES FROM JOB TO JOB, WHEN
10:49:45AM THOSE JOBS ARE AVAILABLE, CONTRACT JOBS FOR SIX MONTHS,
10:49:48AM EIGHTHS MONTHS, HOWEVER THEY ARE AVAILABLE, I HAVE TO BUDGET
10:49:52AM FOR THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES.
10:49:53AM BUT WHEN THOSE CHANGES ARE NOT -- WHEN THOSE CHANGES ARE SO
10:50:00AM -- THEY JUST HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
10:50:02AM THEY HAPPEN MORE TIMES THAN I CAN ACCOUNT FOR OR HAPPEN AT
10:50:05AM TIMES WHEN I AM NOT PREPARED FOR THEM BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET
10:50:08AM I HAVE TO SET IN PLACE.
10:50:09AM THROWS ME INTO A CRISIS.
10:50:11AM IT SHAKES MY HOUSEHOLD.
10:50:13AM MY KIDS ARE HERE WITH ME TODAY IN SUPPORT, BUT THEY WILL
10:50:16AM HAVE TO BE WITH ME.
10:50:17AM BECAUSE WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUDGET FOR
10:50:21AM THOSE TYPE OF CHANGES, I CAN'T AFFORD FOR THEM TO GO TO
10:50:25AM AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS OR SUMMER PROGRAMS.
10:50:27AM THAT $100 MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MY HOUSEHOLD.
10:50:32AM AND IF WE HAD SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE -- IF WE HAD RENT
10:50:38AM STABILIZATION, I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF FLEXIBILITY
10:50:42AM WITHIN MY HOUSE HOLD.
10:50:43AM I WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE ON PINS AND NEEDLES.
10:50:48AM I WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WHAT THE NEXT JOB IS GOING
10:50:50AM TO PAY.
10:50:51AM I WOULD BE ABLE TO BUDGET BETTER.
10:50:53AM I WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR A LIFESTYLE TO ALLOW FOR
10:50:57AM MY CHILDREN NOT TO STAND NEXT TO ME WHILE I SPEAK OF ADULT
10:51:01AM ISSUES.
10:51:01AM IF IT HE WANTS FOR THE SUPPORT OF MY FAMILY, I WOULD BE MORE
10:51:04AM SHAKEN UP.
10:51:05AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE OR THE EXECS
10:51:12AM WHOEVER IT IS I AM PUT IN PLACE, WHO I AM SUPPORTING IS IN
10:51:15AM SUPPORT OF LIKE ME.
10:51:17AM I AM ONLY HOPING THERE IS MORE OF A INTEREST IN YOUR HEART
10:51:20AM THAN SHOWING ON WHAT SOME OF THE PANEL'S FACES RIGHT NOW
10:51:25AM BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THE PANELISTS.
10:51:27AM THEIR EYES HAVE BEEN CLOSING THE WHOLE TIME.
10:51:29AM I AM HOMING IT IS IN YOUR HEART TO MAKE THE CHANGE AND NOT
10:51:32AM NECESSARILY YOUR FACIAL EXPRESSIONS.
10:51:35AM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:51:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:51:37AM [APPLAUSE]
10:51:45AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:51:49AM IT IS GOOD TO SEE RADAR.
10:51:54AM MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO RADAR IS PROBABLY.
10:51:57AM AND MOST PEOPLE WON'T KNOW TO CRUNK MAN IS.
10:52:01AM IF RADAR AND CRUNK MAN BE IN THE SAME BUILDING AT THE SAME
10:52:07AM TIME, SPEAKS A LOT OF THE AMBITIONS AND ASPIRATIONS OF
10:52:12AM AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:52:13AM AND SHOW WE HAVE A CONCERN.
10:52:14AM THE WOMEN THAT COME WITH WEEK AFTER WEEK TO SPEAK ON THE
10:52:17AM ISSUE OF HOUSING, THAT IS SERIOUS.
10:52:21AM AND SO WHAT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS NO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND IS
10:52:25AM THAT IT HAS TO BE SOME FORM OF PROGRESSIVE CHANGE.
10:52:31AM WE NEED PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE REAL NEEDS OF
10:52:38AM AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:52:38AM THE FUTURE OF OUR RACE.
10:52:39AM OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
10:52:40AM OUR SENIOR CITIZENS.
10:52:41AM NO MORE BAND-AID KNEE-JERK REACTION ROW PROGRAM.
10:52:45AM NO MORE LOTTERY HOUSING, WEED AND SEED, SAY NO TO DRUGS,
10:52:49AM CRIME.
10:52:51AM GUN BUYBACK.
10:52:53AM IT IS TO APPEASE THE MOST VULNERABLE.
10:52:55AM TEMPORARY BAND-AIDS AND SUGGESTIONS AND SOLUTIONS.
10:52:57AM GOOD ENOUGH TO HOLD THE POOR AND WORKING-CLASS IN CHECK TO
10:53:01AM PUT GENTRIFICATION PROGRAMS IN EFFECT.
10:53:03AM A MASTER PLAN.
10:53:04AM THE BLUEPRINTS ARE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC OFFICES ALL OVER THE
10:53:08AM WORLD.
10:53:08AM CORPORATE BOARD ROOMS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
10:53:11AM IT IS CALLED CAPITALISM.
10:53:12AM A PROGRAM OF POLITICAL, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM THAT
10:53:17AM DISPOSSESSES THE POOR, MAKE RICH ENTITLED.
10:53:20AM MAKE WORKERS INCREASE IN PRODUCTIVITIES BUT NO PAY
10:53:23AM INCREASES.
10:53:23AM RAISE GAS PRICES AS THEY SEE FIT TO BENEFIT THEIR MARGIN.
10:53:29AM THE SYSTEM HAS 90% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION LIVING IN
10:53:32AM ABJECT POLICY IN ADDITION TO TODAY'S LIVING STANDARDS.
10:53:36AM A SYSTEM CALLED COLONIALISM, CAPITALISM, IMPERIALISM, SHARE
10:53:42AM CROP AND CONVICT LEASING ON THE BACKS OF OTHER SOPHISTICATED
10:53:48AM NAMES RECRUIT THE UNSUSPECTING TO PARTICIPATE IN.
10:53:52AM WE NEED EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.
10:53:54AM WE NEED A SYSTEM CALLED FAIR HOUSING.
10:53:57AM WE NEED A SYSTEM CALLED REPARATIONS.
10:53:59AM IN THIS CITY OF TAMPA, WE NEED A SYSTEM CALLED GUARANTEED
10:54:02AM 26% OF THE UPCOMING BUDGET.
10:54:03AM WE HAVE 26% OF THE POPULATION.
10:54:05AM AND WE NEED 26% OF THIS BUDGET.
10:54:08AM AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO EXPERIENCE OUR ENTIRE LIFE
10:54:12AM EXPECTANCY FIGHTING FOR BASIC NECESSITIES AFRICAN PEOPLE
10:54:23AM SHOULD NOT TO HAVE EXPERIENCE OUR ENTIRE FIGHT FOR BASIC
10:54:27AM NECESSITIES AND FIGHTING FOR ALIENABLE RIGHTS.
10:54:33AM WE NEED ORLANDO GUDES TO ADDRESS EXACTLY HOW THE CITY OF
10:54:37AM TAMPA WILL APPROACH THE REPARATIONS FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE
10:54:40AM RETROACTIVELY AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET 26% OF THE
10:54:44AM UPCOMING BUDGET.
10:54:45AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:54:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS.
10:54:56AM >> IF GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:54:57AM ROD HATCHENS.
10:55:00AM YOU DEAL WITH A LOT OF COMPLEX ISSUES.
10:55:02AM I DO NOT ENVY YOU.
10:55:03AM I'M HERE TO TALK OF A SIMPLE ISSUE.
10:55:06AM IT IS LITTER.
10:55:07AM COUNCIL WILL DISCUSS INCREASING LITTER FINES IN THE CITY OF
10:55:11AM TAMPA.
10:55:11AM I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A MISDEMEANOR WITH $1,000 FINE AND
10:55:16AM BASIC COMMUNITY SERVICE.
10:55:17AM GIVING A $500 FINE WILL BE EASY TO INSTITUTE AND FALL IN
10:55:21AM LINE WITH THE EXISTING ORDINANCES, A $500 FINE IS A GREAT
10:55:26AM START FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO ADDRESS THE SOURCE OF LITTER
10:55:29AM WHICH IS SELFISH, CARELESS PIGS THAT THROW THE REFUSE IN THE
10:55:35AM STREETS AND ENDS UP IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, BAY,
10:55:38AM WATERWAYS FOR 600 YEARS OR MORE.
10:55:40AM I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS AND ADD A FEW OTHER
10:55:43AM THINGS TOO.
10:55:44AM NUMBER ONE, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF A LITTER FINE INCREASE IS TO
10:55:47AM PROVIDE TEETH TO A COMPELLING ANTI-LITTER CAMPAIGN THAT THIS
10:55:51AM CITY WILL HAVE.
10:55:52AM I AM SURE MOST OF YOU REMEMBER THE KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL
10:55:55AM COMMERCIAL YEARS AGO.
10:55:56AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU PROBABLY ARE TOO YOUNG.
10:55:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I REMEMBER.
10:56:00AM >> SHOWING THE NATIVE-AMERICAN GLANCING AT THE LITTER -- NO
10:56:04AM OFFENSE TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:56:06AM YOU PROBABLY ARE AS WELL.
10:56:08AM VERY COMPELLING.
10:56:09AM THIS FINE WITH THE COMPELLING SIGNAGE CAMPAIGN WILL PROVIDE
10:56:13AM THE NECESSARY TEETH TO DO JUST THAT.
10:56:14AM BY THE WAY NOTHING COMPELLING OF KEEP IT CLEAN TAMPA WHICH
10:56:17AM IS ANOTHER DRUM I WILL CONTINUE TO BEAT.
10:56:19AM THE CITY JUST SPENT $670,000 ON THE LITTLE SKIMMER AND MADE
10:56:24AM A COMMITMENT OF PROVIDING A BUDGET FOR MAINTENANCE, FUEL AND
10:56:30AM PERSONNEL IN EXCESS OF $100,000 AND IGNORED THE SOURCE OF
10:56:34AM THE LITTER WHICH THE LITTLE SKIMMER PICKS UP.
10:56:38AM IT MISSES THE MAJORITY OF THE LITTER THAT PASSES THROUGH THE
10:56:41AM WATERWAYS.
10:56:42AM POINT NUMBER THREE, SINCE MOVING TO TAMPA SEVEN YEARS AGO, I
10:56:46AM FIRST BLAMED INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY WITH STREET CLEANUPS,
10:56:51AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER CLEANUPS.
10:56:52AM A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS IN ADDITION TO KEEP TAMPA BAY
10:56:56AM BEAUTIFUL, PURE INITIATIVE, TAMPA'S GREEN TEAM, OTHER
10:56:59AM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND PICK UP
10:57:01AM HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OF LITTER IN EACH EVENT THEY ORGANIZE AND
10:57:06AM EACH MONTH DEDICATE THEIR TIME AND PICK UP THE SAME AMOUNT
10:57:10AM OF LITSER.
10:57:10AM I HAVE BEEN TALKING OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY ARE
10:57:13AM PRETTY FED UP.
10:57:14AM IT IS ABOUT TIME TO STOP PICK IT UP UNTIL THE CITY OF TAMPA
10:57:22AM GETS OFF THEIR HANDS AND ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
10:57:23AM A $1,000 FINE.
10:57:25AM TPD IS UNDERSTAFFED AND OVERWORKED.
10:57:29AM THE REPORTS FROM.
10:57:30AM POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT CRY NATIONS AND YOU 15 POUNDS DOES NO
10:57:33AM THE EXIST.
10:57:34AM AND LASTLY AND A FEW THINGS.
10:57:35AM I AM NOT NAIVE.
10:57:37AM I KNOW THIS WON'T ELIMINATE LITTER BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU
10:57:40AM GUY CAN EFFECT.
10:57:40AM YOU ALL TALK OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
10:57:42AM OCEAN LEVELS RISING.
10:57:44AM THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN EFFECT IN OUR LIFETIME TODAY.
10:57:47AM THIS IS SOMETHING SIMPLE.
10:57:48AM THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY TOO.
10:57:50AM I AM PRETTY MOVED BY A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS TODAY.
10:57:54AM SHAKE IT UP.
10:57:55AM YOU KNOW, I GUESS THERE IS A LAW THAT YOU CAN'T DECLARE AN
10:57:58AM EMERGENCY.
10:57:58AM SO WHAT.
10:57:59AM BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN PERMISSION.
10:58:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:58:04AM >> LATISHA P. IN RELATION TO TAMPA HIGHLANDS.
10:58:17AM I AM QUESTIONING -- WE HAVE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES WITH
10:58:21AM REGARD OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF THIS
10:58:23AM APARTMENT COMPLEX.
10:58:24AM WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT INVESTIGATION AGENCY IS GOING TO STEP
10:58:30AM IN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
10:58:31AM BECAUSE AFTER ALL OF THESE FUNDINGS ARE EXHAUSTED.
10:58:38AM THEY KEEP REMAIN THAT IT IS INCREASING AND NOBODY HAS DONE
10:58:42AM ANYTHING ABOUT IT TO FIGURE OUT A METHOD TO THE MADNESS.
10:58:46AM A LOT OF FAIR HOUSING ACT VIOLATION, DISCRIMINATION,
10:58:49AM HARASSMENT, UNFAIR TREATMENT OF THE SENIORS.
10:58:51AM AND WE NEED TO KNOW WHO IS GOING TO STEP IN TO FIGURE THIS
10:58:57AM OUT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.
10:58:59AM WE HAVE THIS MANAGEMENT COMPANY TREATING THESE SENIORS
10:59:02AM UNFAIRLY.
10:59:03AM AND IN REALITY, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOW IS IT AFFORDABLE
10:59:09AM IF THESE SENIOR ARE ON FIXED NORTH CAROLINA AND THE RENT
10:59:15AM GOES UP THAT YOU CAN'T BUDGET WHAT IS GOING ON.
10:59:18AM CAN WE HAVE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED?
10:59:21AM CAN WE HAVE AN INVESTIGATION DONE?
10:59:22AM WHAT IS GOING ON.
10:59:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:59:27AM [APPLAUSE]
10:59:32AM >> HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE McFARLAND.
10:59:35AM AND I AM A VOTER AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT FLORIDA RISING, AS
10:59:41AM WELL AS -- I TOOK OFF TODAY TO BE HERE BECAUSE I WORK TWO
10:59:46AM JOBS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
10:59:47AM AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I PAY $1250 FOR A ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT
10:59:53AM WORKING BOTH OF MY JOBS.
10:59:55AM AND I AM DEALING WITH I AM GONE SUN UP TO SUN DOWN AND I
11:00:04AM COME HOME AND I DEAL WITH FLOOD.
11:00:06AM NOW THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I AM PAYING A MONTH -- AND I
11:00:11AM ONLY HAVE BEEN IN THIS APARTMENT I AM HAVING HELL WITH FOR
11:00:14AM 30 DAYS.
11:00:15AM I JUST MOVED IN THIS APARTMENT.
11:00:20AM SO I'M HERE TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON TODAY ANd
11:00:25AM I AM SPEAKING FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T COME UP HERE TO SPEAK
11:00:28AM BECAUSE I WORK HARD.
11:00:29AM I WORK REAL HARD.
11:00:31AM I WORK REAL, REAL HARD.
11:00:32AM AND STRESSFUL FOR ME WHEN I WALK HOME, I HAVE TO TO WALK
11:00:41AM ANKLE HIGH WHEN IT RAINS.
11:00:43AM WE ARE IN HURRICANE SEASON.
11:00:44AM RAINS A LOT IN FLORIDA.
11:00:45AM I LEAVE MY HOUSE THE WATER SITS.
11:00:48AM I ALREADY CALLED THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
11:00:50AM BEFORE I CAME HERE, I JUST LEFT THE COURTHOUSE.
11:00:53AM I AM FILING PAPERWORK NOW BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I AM
11:00:57AM PAYING, I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE AMOUNT
11:01:02AM BECAUSE I AM IN A ONE BEDROOM AND MY KIDS ARE GROWN I DON'T
11:01:10AM THINK I SHOULD BE PAYING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IF I HAVE TO
11:01:12AM LIVE LIKE THIS.
11:01:12AM I PAY FOR OUTSIDE -- OUTSIDE PEOPLE -- THE TERMINEX COME
11:01:22AM OUTS AND SPRAY MY APARTMENT AND TREAT MY APARTMENT BECAUSE I
11:01:25AM DON'T LIVE LIKE THAT.
11:01:26AM I AM DEALING WITH MOLD ON MY CABINETS.
11:01:28AM I COMPLAINED TO THE APARTMENTS.
11:01:33AM I AM KEEPING ALL OF MY DOCUMENTS THAT I PUT IN THE PORTAL
11:01:36AM AND EVERYTHING.
11:01:36AM I AM KEEPING -- I AM TAKING VIDEOS.
11:01:39AM I BARELY HAVE PICTURES.
11:01:40AM I AM REGARDING VIDEOS AND EVERYTHING CONCERNED WITH MY
11:01:45AM APARTMENT.
11:01:46AM SO I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW I'M HERE JUST TO LET YOU
11:01:49AM ALTHOUGH THAT PLEASE JUST TRY TO HELP EVERYBODY WITH THIS
11:01:53AM SITUATION.
11:01:53AM BECAUSE IT'S HARD.
11:01:56AM IT'S HARD.
11:01:57AM IT'S HARD.
11:01:58AM I ONLY HAVE TWO DAYS OFF.
11:02:03AM LUCKY MY JOB -- I AM GETTING PAID BEING HERE.
11:02:06AM BUT GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
11:02:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:02:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:02:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:02:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOUNG LADY, DO YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS?
11:02:17AM >> SO ARE ROW?
11:02:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
11:02:22AM >> YES.
11:02:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO IN THAT DOOR AND GIVE MISS WILCOX AND WE
11:02:32AM WILL TALK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
11:02:34AM MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE -- THE SECRETARY
11:02:37AM OF -- I AM SURPRISED.
11:02:40AM THE SECRETARY OF BUSINESS CALLED ME AND --
11:02:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SHE CALLED EVERYBODY.
11:02:47AM CALLED EVERYBODY AND WE DECIDED WHO TAKES
11:02:50AM JURISDICTION ON WHAT.
11:02:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AND FIGURED WHERE
11:02:56AM THE COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN WAS LYING AT.
11:02:59AM AND I AM GLAD THEY WERE ABLE TO CALL AND HEAR FROM THE
11:03:01AM COUNCILMEMBERS OUR CONCERNS.
11:03:02AM AND THEY ASSURED THEY HAVE ENOUGH STAFF AND ON IT AND
11:03:12AM WORKING TO GET SOME OF THESE ISSUES SOLVED.
11:03:14AM I DID TELL THE SECRETARY FOR THE RECORD WHAT I SEE IS
11:03:17AM HAPPENING IS YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF POOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
11:03:21AM LIVING IN UNDESIRABLE PLACES AND RENTS ARE INCREASING
11:03:29AM QUADRUPLE.
11:03:30AM AND WHY DO I PAY THIS KIND OF MONEY BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES.
11:03:33AM I THINK THEY ARE UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THEIR LEVEL.
11:03:36AM I WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD WE DID -- THE STATE DID CALL US
11:03:40AM AND THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO WORK TO DO A BETTER
11:03:43AM JOB ON IT.
11:03:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
11:03:48AM >> MY NAME IS MELISSA BOTIT.
11:03:53AM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT STORMWATER RUNOFF.
11:03:56AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF -- TREE CAN BE A SOLUTION SO A LOT OF
11:03:59AM OUR PROBLEMS.
11:04:00AM EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT GLOBAL WARMING IS.
11:04:02AM THE INCREASE IN THE EARTH'S TEMPERATURE, HEATED TEMPERATURES
11:04:06AM HAVE BEEN BLAMED FOR MODIFYING RAINFALL PATTERNS.
11:04:11AM ALTERING GROWTH.
11:04:14AM ICE CAPS AND RANGE OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES.
11:04:18AM PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MORE POPULACE AREAS SUFFER MORE HEALTH
11:04:22AM WISE DUE TO EMISSIONS FROM VEHICLES, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS
11:04:25AM AND HOMES WITH LESS TREES TO FILTER OUT THE CARBON DIOXIDE
11:04:28AM AND PROVIDE FRESH OXYGEN.
11:04:30AM THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT IS BENEFICIAL FOR LIFE ON EARTH.
11:04:34AM BY CUTTING DOWN CARBON ABSORBING FORESTS SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH
11:04:38AM THE HIGH USE OF FOSSIL FUELS, CARBON DIOXIDE LEVELS HAVE
11:04:43AM INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY.
11:04:44AM AIR POLLUTION IS ONE OF THE LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH AROUND
11:04:48AM ITS WORLD.
11:04:49AM THE POPULATION OF TAMPA IS ALMOST 400,000, 53rd LARGEST CITY
11:04:58AM IN THE UNITED STATES.
11:04:58AM THE AREA OF THE CITY OF TAMPA OF APPROXIMATELY 175 SQUARE
11:05:02AM MILES THAT EQUATES TO 2285 PEOPLE LIVING IN EACH SQUARE MILE
11:05:09AM OF LAND, 28,576 TREES LOCATED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
11:05:15AM EQUATES TO ABOUT 12 AND A HALF PEOPLE PER ONE TREE.
11:05:17AM THE CITY OF TAMPA TREES HAVE BEEN ESTIMATED TO REMOVE ABOUT
11:05:21AM 14 MILLION POUNDS OF CARBON DIOXIDE PER YEAR.
11:05:24AM ASIDE FROM REMOVING POLLUTION, TREES ALSO HELP CONSERVE
11:05:29AM ENERGY BY LOWERING COOLING COSTS.
11:05:31AM THEY FILTER STORMWATER RUNOFF AND 345TURE TREES INCREASE
11:05:39AM PROPERTY VALUES.
11:05:39AM COSTA RICA IS THE FIRST TROPICAL COUNTRY TO STOP AND
11:05:43AM SUBSEQUENTLY REVERSE DEFORESTATION.
11:05:47AM IN 1940, 70% OF COSTA RICA WAS CLOAKED IN LUSH RAIN FOREST
11:05:54AM AND THEY CLEARED THE LAND TO RAISE LIVESTOCK.
11:05:57AM 19 50, FOREST COVERED ONE OF HALF OF COSTA RICA.
11:06:02AM 1975 FOREST COVER DECLINED TO 25%.
11:06:05AM SOON AFTER THE GOVERNMENT IN 1996 MADE IT ILLEGAL TO CHOP
11:06:10AM DOWN FORESTS WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM AUTHORITIES AND THE
11:06:13AM FOLLOWING YEAR IT INTRODUCED PES.
11:06:16AM COSTA RICA'S PAYMENTS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES PROGRAM IS
11:06:20AM A FINANCIAL MECHANISM OF THE STATE TO THE OWNERS AND HOLDERS
11:06:23AM OF FORESTS AND FOREST PLANTATIONS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL
11:06:27AM SERVICES THEY PROVIDE.
11:06:27AM IN THIS PROGRAM, LANDS OWNERS RECEIVE DIRECTS PAYMENTS FOR
11:06:31AM THE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES THAT THEIR LANDS PRODUCE WHEN
11:06:35AM ADOPTING SUSTAINABLE ST. LOUIS AND FOREST MANAGEMENT
11:06:37AM TECHNIQUES.
11:06:37AM MAKE DIRECT CASH TRANSFERS TO PRIVATE LANDOWNERS TO FIVE TO
11:06:42AM TEN-YEAR CONTRACTS FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES OF FOREST
11:06:46AM PROTECTION, REFORESTATION, SUSTAINABLE MANAGEMENT AND AGRA
11:06:52AM FOREST ROW.
11:06:52AM I PROPOSE A PROGRAM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PAY HOMEOWNERS
11:06:58AM TO PLANT LOCAL TREES AND BRING MULTIPLE BENEFITS TO TAMPA
11:07:02AM THANK YOU.
11:07:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:07:03AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
11:07:16AM MY NAME IS NATHAN HAGEN.
11:07:17AM I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO SUPPORT MY FRIENDS IN ASKING FOR
11:07:20AM RELIEF.
11:07:20AM WE ARE IN A HOUSING CATASTROPHE RIGHT NOW THAT REQUIRES
11:07:26AM EXTRAORDINARY ACTIONS TO ADDRESS.
11:07:29AM AND WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR TENANTS CITYWIDE.
11:07:32AM IF YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA THAN BANNING PRICE GOUGING, MAKE A
11:07:37AM MOTION AND DO IT.
11:07:38AM IF YOU DON'T, LET'S THE PEOPLE VOTE ON IT.
11:07:40AM FOR ME, IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
11:07:44AM THEY MAY NOT VOTE FOR IT.
11:07:45AM THEY MAY NOT PASS IF IT GOES FOR AN ELECTION.
11:07:49AM MAY NOT WORK.
11:07:50AM THERE MAY BE PEOPLE FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES BY LANDLORDS
11:07:54AM WHO ARE UNSCRUPULOUS AND WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FOLKS AND
11:07:57AM CAN'T IN A REGIME OF RENT STABILIZATION.
11:08:00AM THOSE PEOPLE WILL GOUGE THOSE TENANTS ANYWAY.
11:08:03AM A SAD SITUATION EITHER WAY YOU GO.
11:08:05AM OTHER PLACES HAVE DONE THIS.
11:08:07AM MOST OF EUROPE IS -- HAS RENT CONTROL.
11:08:11AM IT IS NOT -- IT IS NO THE A RADICAL IDEA THAT HAS NOT WORKED
11:08:15AM ANYWHERE.
11:08:15AM DOWNSIDES.
11:08:16AM NOT A PERFECT POLICY.
11:08:18AM IT DOESN'T SOLVE ANY PROBLEM.
11:08:21AM ONE ITEM IN A LONG MENU OF THINGS
11:08:24AM YOU ARE CONCERNED OF DEVELOPERS.
11:08:26AM EXCLUDE DEVELOPMENT.
11:08:29AM A ONE-YEAR DEAL.
11:08:30AM IF WE NEED ANOTHER SOLUTION, MAYBE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT
11:08:34AM THIS AGAIN.
11:08:34AM NOT GOING TO SCARE DEVELOPERS AWAY.
11:08:38AM THERE IS WAYS TO GET AROUND THAT.
11:08:42AM THIS IS FOR HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING DISPLACED.
11:08:44AM ONCE WE DO THIS AND STOP THE BLEEDING WE NEED TO PASS
11:08:48AM COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE REFORM OF HOUSING THAT NEVER HAPPENS
11:08:51AM AGAIN.
11:08:53AM MINNEAPOLIS DID THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THE ONLY CITY
11:08:55AM THAT DID NOT HAVE SIGNIFICANT RENT INCREASES.
11:09:01AM PARKING, EXCLUSIONARY ZONING.
11:09:04AM THINGS I COME HERE AND AT THAT YOU CAN ABOUT EVERY WEEK.
11:09:06AM REAL SOLUTION THAT'S WORKED IN OTHER PLACES.
11:09:09AM PLACES LIKE PORTLAND, CALIFORNIA, MINNEAPOLIS AND CHARLOTTE,
11:09:12AM ALL KIND OF CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE ADOPTING ST. LOUIS
11:09:15AM REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:09:18AM TAMPA HAS -- LAND USE REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE
11:09:23AM HOUSING.
11:09:23AM TAMPA HAS DONE NOTHING.
11:09:25AM ONCE WE STOP THE BLEEDING, WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE
11:09:29AM REFORM TO BUILD MORE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN, TO
11:09:33AM PRESERVE OUR ENVIRONMENT AND SUPPORT TRANSIT.
11:09:35AM ALL THAT BEHIND THAT, TODAY WE TALKED ABOUT -- AND TALK
11:09:38AM AGAIN ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VISION.
11:09:40AM I WOULD ASK ALL OF YOU TO -- TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER WE HAVE
11:09:43AM THE RESOURCES RIGHT NOW AND THE COMMITMENT BY COUNTY, BY --
11:09:47AM BY THE CITY, BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PUT THE RESOURCES
11:09:51AM MIND THIS VISION TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH IT.
11:09:53AM DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO END EXCLUSIONARY ZONING?
11:09:57AM DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO REWRITE CHAPTER 27 SO NEIGHBORS
11:10:01AM WILL SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL PROVIDE HOUSING THAT WE
11:10:03AM NEED.
11:10:03AM WE HAVE ISSUE WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WITH OUR
11:10:07AM COMP PLAN THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT TAKE REAL HARD WORK
11:10:11AM AND RESOURCES TO DO.
11:10:12AM I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR THE PLANNERS IN THE ROOM, BUT I HOPE
11:10:16AM YOU ALL ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES WE NEED AND
11:10:19AM ACCOMPLISH ALL THE GOALS WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE NEXT
11:10:22AM YEAR AND A HALF.
11:10:22AM THANK YOU.
11:10:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:10:26AM [APPLAUSE]
11:10:32AM >> HELLO, BOBBY CREIGHTON.
11:10:34AM I LIVE IN YBOR HEIGHTS.
11:10:36AM I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS VERY SHORT BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE HERE
11:10:39AM WHO HAVE TESTIMONY THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.
11:10:40AM I'M HERE TO SUPPORT FLORIDA RIDE RISING AND ALL THE OTHER
11:10:47AM MEMBERS OF THE -- CITIZENS OF THE CITY WHO ARE HERE TO
11:10:51AM DISCUSS THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ARE IN.
11:10:53AM SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY WE ARE A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.
11:10:57AM WELL, YOU JUST HEARD THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER MENTION THAT THERE
11:11:00AM ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH REGARDS TO LAND USE REFORM.
11:11:05AM WE ARE NOT A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.
11:11:07AM WE ARE A VICTIM OF NEGLECTS FROM PREVIOUS COUNCILS TO
11:11:10AM RECOGNIZE DUE TO COMPLACENCY WE HAVE PAINTED OURSELVES IN A
11:11:16AM CORNER AND PEOPLE ARE OUTS ON THE STREET.
11:11:18AM WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY REALITY NOW TO MAKE CHANGES TO
11:11:20AM PREPARE FOR A BETTER FUTURE, A MORE SUCCESSFUL FUTURE, THE
11:11:24AM FUTURE WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF THEY WILL
11:11:28AM HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD NEXT MONTH.
11:11:31AM I STRONG HELY ENCOURAGE YOU LIKE REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART
11:11:35AM SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TODAY, TO WORK WITH
11:11:38AM HER.
11:11:38AM WORK WITH OTHER CITIES.
11:11:39AM WORK WITH OTHER CITY COUNCILS.
11:11:41AM WORK WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS TO TALK TO TALLAHASSEE THAT WE
11:11:51AM NEED CHANGE AND PUTTING UP WITH THE STATUS QUO IS NOT
11:11:54AM SUFFICIENT.
11:11:55AM THANK YOU.
11:11:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:11:56AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:11:59AM ANY NAME IS KEELA McCASKILL AND I'M HERE, OF COURSE, TO
11:12:03AM SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:12:05AM LAST WEEK I MADE A PUBLIC APOLOGY BECAUSE PUBLICLY I DOUBTED
11:12:10AM THE LEADERSHIP OF MISS NICOLE TRAVIS.
11:12:11AM SHE CAME IN AND REALLY DID THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WAS
11:12:15AM EXPECTING.
11:12:16AM I PUBLICLY WANT TO SAY I AM SORRY FOR DOUBTING YOUR
11:12:20AM LEADERSHIP.
11:12:20AM AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE CERTAIN TYPE OF LEADERSHIP
11:12:23AM THAT REVITALIZE AND BUILD ENCOURAGEMENT AND MADE ME FEEL THE
11:12:27AM HOPE THAT WE CAN CHANGE EAST TAMPA.
11:12:29AM WITH HER OF THERE GRUMGO.
11:12:34AM THE COMMUNITY IS ENCOURAGED BY THE LEADERSHIP NOW COMMITTED.
11:12:40AM I AM A FAIR AND JUST WOMAN.
11:12:41AM I PUBLICLY DOUBTED HER AND PUBLICLY I APOLOGIZE.
11:12:46AM WE ALREADY KNOW THE ISSUE.
11:12:48AM WE LIVE IT.
11:12:49AM WE SEE IT.
11:12:49AM EXAMPLES HAVE COME UP BEFORE.
11:12:51AM EVERYBODY KNOW THAT'S TAMPA IS PRETTY MUCH AT THE FRONT OF
11:12:56AM HOUSING CRISIS.
11:12:56AM I WAS CONTACTED BY A NATIONAL NEWS STATION WHO SAID WHAT IS
11:13:00AM GOING ON IN TAMPA.
11:13:01AM THEY FLEW IN WATCH, TO SEE THE MARKET, TO SEE THE DIFFERENT
11:13:04AM PEOPLE THAT NEED ASSISTANCE WITH RENTALS AND AS IT RELATES
11:13:08AM TO HOUSING.
11:13:09AM THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THE LEGAL TEAM SOMEWHAT SAID YOU
11:13:13AM GOT TO PROVE IT IS A BURDEN AND CRISIS AND WHATEVER ELSE.
11:13:17AM I AM SURE THEY ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO DECLARE THIS AN
11:13:21AM EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A LAWSUIT.
11:13:23AM THE OPERATIVE WORD IS POSSIBILITY.
11:13:25AM WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT MULTIPLE THOUSAND OF PEOPLE ARE BEING
11:13:30AM DISPLACED IN TAMPA THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED YOU IN.
11:13:33AM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ARE B BEING DISPLACED, WORKING
11:13:37AM PEOPLE, SHOULD I ADD.
11:13:38AM WHAT I KNOW IS THAT TAMPA HAS SEEN A 36% RENTAL SPIKE.
11:13:42AM THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
11:13:43AM PARTICULARLY -- MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A 36% INCREASE IN
11:13:47AM THEIR SALARIES.
11:13:48AM WHAT WE KNOW THAT SLUMLORD ACTIVITY IS ON THE RISE.
11:13:51AM IN ADDITION TO THE RENT SPIKES, SLUMLORD ACTIVITIES IS ON
11:13:55AM THE RISE BECAUSE THEY CAN POTENTIALLY GET MORE MONEY WHERE
11:13:59AM THE TENANT ADVOCACY PROGRAM WILL COME INTO PLACE SO YOU
11:14:02AM WON'T HAVE RENTAL INCREASES EVERY YEAR.
11:14:04AM THEY HAVE A LEASE.
11:14:05AM YOU CAN'T INCREASE IT THAT MUCH ANYWAY.
11:14:07AM SOMEBODY HAS TO BE LOOKING AT THAT.
11:14:09AM WE ARE VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.
11:14:12AM WE WERE NOT -- WE DIDN'T PROPERLY PREPARE FOR ALL THE
11:14:15AM GROWTH.
11:14:16AM WE WEREN'T PREPARED FOR THE GROWTH BUT NOT MAKE CAN THIS AN
11:14:21AM EMERGENCY, IT WILL HELP TO PROTECTS THE PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS
11:14:24AM IN THIS CITY.
11:14:24AM WE KNOW THAT $5 MILLION WAS PLACED IN A FUNDS TO ASSIST.
11:14:28AM AND IT WAS DEPLETED IN TWO DAYS.
11:14:30AM MY QUESTION TODAY IS, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEEDS TO SEE?
11:14:35AM WHAT ELSE HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE URGENCY OF A CRISIS IS
11:14:38AM DECLARED.
11:14:39AM WHEN THERE WAS A HURRICANE, THE ONLY REASON IT WAS DECLARED
11:14:41AM AN EMERGENCY IS BECAUSE MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE
11:14:44AM BEING DISPLACED.
11:14:45AM IT WASN'T THE WATER.
11:14:46AM IT WASN'T THE WIND.
11:14:47AM IT WAS MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE BEING DISPLACED.
11:14:51AM I AM NOT SEEING THE URGENCY AS IT RELATES -- AS IF -- AS
11:14:55AM THIS WERE HURRICANE.
11:14:58AM WE NEED TO SEE THE SAME URGENCY IN THIS CRISIS.
11:15:01AM IT IS AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE
11:15:04AM BEING DISPLACED.
11:15:06AM NOT DOING THIS WILL DECREASE VOTERS.
11:15:08AM WE DON'T CARE WHO IS IN OFFICE IF WE ARE LIVING IN OUR CAR.
11:15:11AM WE DON'T CARE WHO IS OFFICE IN WE ARE TAKING BATHS IN
11:15:15AM McDONALD'S.
11:15:15AM AGAIN, WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE AND ENCOURAGE THAT THIS
11:15:18AM BE DECLARED AN EMERGENCY.
11:15:19AM THANK YOU.
11:15:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:15:21AM [APPLAUSE]
11:15:23AM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN -- LADIES AND
11:15:26AM GENTLEMEN, UNLESS I SEE NO ONE ELSE GETTING UP TO MY LEFT
11:15:35AM YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK.
11:15:36AM THIS WOMAN WILL BE THE LAST TO SPEAK IN CHAMBERS.
11:15:40AM GOOD MORNING.
11:15:41AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:15:41AM I'M HERE TO TALK OF THE NEW REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO GET AN
11:15:44AM APARTMENT.
11:15:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOUR NAME PLEASED.
11:15:46AM >> ZACARA MOREL.
11:15:51AM THE NEW REQUIREMENTS, YOU NEED TO MAKE THREE TIMES THE
11:15:55AM INCOME TO GETS IN AN APARTMENT.
11:15:57AM I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO IS 24 NOW.
11:15:59AM SHE IS A NURSE HERE IN TAMPA.
11:16:00AM BECAUSE SHE WAS $50 SHORT OF THE THREE TIMES THE INCOME, SHE
11:16:05AM COULDN'T GET AN APARTMENT.
11:16:06AM AND THEN THE OTHER APARTMENTS THAT IT IS BASED ON INCOME,
11:16:11AM SHE MADE TOO MUCH INCOME TO GET INTO THOSE.
11:16:14AM SO, I MEAN, THERE IS NOTHING IN BETWEEN.
11:16:17AM YOU EITHER NOT MAKE ENOUGH OR MAKE TOO MUCH.
11:16:20AM LIKE WHAT IS IT THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT.
11:16:22AM SO BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T -- $50 SHORT HERE AND TOO MUCH HERE,
11:16:28AM SHE WAS FORCE TO LIVE WITH ME EVEN THOUGH SHE IS NURSING
11:16:31AM HOME AND MAKING GOOD MONEY AND CAN AFFORD TO PAY HER RENT.
11:16:34AM HOW DO WE GO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FINDING SOMEWHERE IN THE
11:16:39AM MIDDLE FOR THE ONES WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY RENT.
11:16:42AM CAN WE AT LEAST TRY TO START THERE?
11:16:49AM ARE THEY GOING TO ANSWER?
11:16:51AM CAN YOU AT LEAST TRY TO FIND SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE FOR THE
11:16:54AM ONES WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY REPRESENT BUT $50 SHORT OVER HERE
11:16:58AM AND TOO MUCH OVER THERE.
11:16:59AM IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.
11:17:02AM IT IS RIDICULOUS AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
11:17:06AM THANK YOU.
11:17:07AM [APPLAUSE]
11:17:13AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:17:14AM ROBIN LOCKETT WITH, OF COURSE, FLORIDA RISING.
11:17:18AM HOW CAN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND VOTERS STABILIZE RENT?
11:17:22AM LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MUST PASS AN ORDERS NANCE THAT IDENTIFIED
11:17:25AM AND BACKS UP WITH EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING
11:17:27AM EXISTING R HOUSING EMERGENCY WHICH IS SO GRAVE WHICH TO
11:17:32AM CONSTITUTE A SERIOUS MENACE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
11:17:36AM LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO NOT NEED TO DECLARE AN OFFICIAL STATE
11:17:39AM OF EMERGENCY LIKE THEY MIGHT -- SORRY, LIKE THEY MIGHT
11:17:43AM DURING A HURRICANE.
11:17:44AM AND IN THAT SAME ORDINANCE, THEY SHOULD PROPOSE THE POLICY
11:17:49AM INTERVENTION THAT THEY WILL ADDRESS THE CRISIS.
11:17:51AM SUCH AS LIMITING RENT HIKES.
11:17:54AM THE LAW REQUIRES THEM TO FIND THAT SUCH CONTROLS ARE
11:17:56AM NECESSARY AND PROPER TO ELIMINATE THE HOUSING EMERGENCY.
11:18:00AM IF THE ORDINANCE PASSED, THE QUESTION MUST THEN GO TO THE
11:18:03AM VOTERS.
11:18:04AM IF THE VOTERS APPROVE IT, THE POLICY CAN BE IN PLACE FOR ONE
11:18:08AM YEAR UNDER FLORIDA LAW.
11:18:09AM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND VOTERS MUST REPEAT THESE STEPS EACH
11:18:13AM FOLLOWING YEAR TO KEEP THE POLICY ENFORCED.
11:18:15AM I -- YOU KNOW, I COME HERE EVERY WEEK.
11:18:21AM PEOPLE COME HERE EVERY WEEK.
11:18:22AM I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED.
11:18:25AM I AM SO SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
11:18:27AM WE HAVE TO -- IF WE -- IT IS A SHAME THAT WE HAVE TO FORCE
11:18:30AM YOU TO HAVE THE WILL -- THE YOUNG LADY SAID EARLIER WHICH
11:18:34AM WAS VERY TELLING.
11:18:37AM NOT LOOKING AT YOUR FACES SHE HOPES SHE REACHES YOUR HEART.
11:18:41AM THE POSSIBILITY SUPPOSEDLY WHAT COULD HAPPEN, ALL THOSE
11:18:47AM OTHER THINGS IS OUT OF THE WINDOW.
11:18:48AM YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY -- IF PEOPLE ARE HURTING AND YOU
11:18:53AM KNOW THEY ARE, YOU HAVE YOU A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE RIGHT
11:18:56AM THING.
11:18:57AM THE ONLY THING THAT IS LEFT RIGHT NOW, YOU ALREADY DECLARED
11:19:01AM IT A HOUSING CRISIS BACK IN FEBRUARY.
11:19:03AM NOW WE NEED FOR YOU TO HAVE THE WILL TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT
11:19:07AM SO WE, THE PEOPLE THAT PUT YOU IN OFFICE CAN VOTE ON IT.
11:19:10AM POINT-BLANK, PERIOD.
11:19:14AM IT'S -- IT'S AMAZING TO ME.
11:19:16AM RENT -- AS I SAID LAST WEEK, MONEY IS COMING INTO THE SYSTEM
11:19:24AM HAND OVER FIST, RIGHT.
11:19:26AM SUPPORT IT IS ABOUT SUPPORTING PEOPLE WITH RENT ISSUES
11:19:33AM SUPPORTING PEOPLE WITH MORTGAGE ISSUES.
11:19:36AM SUPPORTING PEOPLE WITH EVERYTHING.
11:19:38AM THAT MONEY WILL STOP AND WHERE WILL WE BE.
11:19:42AM YOU WRING YOUR HANDS EVERY WEEK.
11:19:45AM I WATCH YOU.
11:19:46AM WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
11:19:48AM WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
11:19:50AM THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TO YOU DO SOMETHING.
11:19:51AM AN EXAMPLE WAS GIVEN LAST WEEK WHAT YOU DO UP HERE AND WHAT
11:19:55AM YOU SAY IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:19:56AM COME INTO THE COMMUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND
11:19:59AM VOTING DIFFERENTLY UP THERE.
11:20:01AM WE ARE WATCHING YOU.
11:20:02AM SO IT IS PUTTING YOU ON POINT.
11:20:05AM I AM SO SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
11:20:07AM HAVE A GREAT DAY.
11:20:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:20:09AM [APPLAUSE]
11:20:16AM MADAM CLERK, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE.
11:20:19AM MR. DeANGELO, ARE YOU THERE?
11:20:23AM >> YES, I AM.
11:20:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MR.
11:20:27AM DEANGELO.
11:20:28AM >> ANGEL DEANGELO BORN AND RAISED HERE IN TOUCHDOWN.
11:20:32AM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE BEHAVIOR OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
11:20:35AM ON SATURDAY WAS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
11:20:37AM NOT COMPLETELY SURPRISING BUT UNACCEPTABLE.
11:20:42AM THE RAISE.
11:20:43AM CREATIVE LOAFING SAID THEY HAD 19 SCANDALS IN THE LAST YEAR.
11:20:48AM UNDER DOJ INVESTIGATION FOR RACISM YET AGAIN.
11:20:52AM LIKE A 1% RAISE FOR EVERY SCANDAL.
11:20:55AM I AM THINKING ABOUT APPLYING MYSELF.
11:20:57AM BECAUSE IF I PERFORMED THAT WAY, I WOULDN'T BE GETTING A
11:21:00AM RAISE.
11:21:00AM I WOULD BE GETTING 0% PAY.
11:21:03AM THROWING THAT OUT THERE I KNOW THAT WON'T MOVE Y'ALL BUT WE
11:21:06AM WILL DO MORE OF THE SAME.
11:21:07AM MORE POLICING INSTEAD OF RESOURCES.
11:21:09AM YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS IS A HOUSING EMERGENCY.
11:21:13AM THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
11:21:14AM BUT DON'T ACT QUICKLY THIS WILL BE A STAIN ON YOUR LEGACY AS
11:21:18AM AN ELECTED BODY, AS A RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
11:21:21AM AND A HUMAN BEING.
11:21:22AM YOU HAVE THE POWER.
11:21:23AM WE DON'T.
11:21:24AM BUT WE SHOULD AT LEAST.
11:21:25AM WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BALLOT AND VOTE ON IT.
11:21:28AM WITH THE RENT INCREASING OVER 30% ON AVERAGE, THEY DON'T
11:21:33AM NEED TO INCREASE IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
11:21:35AM LIKE, CONTROL IT COMPLETELY.
11:21:37AM I AM FOR CONTROL.
11:21:38AM BUT IF WE NEED TO STABILIZE AND GIVE THEM LIKE A 5% -- FINE.
11:21:43AM DO ONE OF THOSE THINGS, BUT DO IT QUICKLY.
11:21:45AM WE HAVE BEEN COMING TO YOU SINCE FEBRUARY -- I HAVE BEEN
11:21:48AM COMING TO YOU ALL FOR YEARS.
11:21:49AM BUT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE SINCE FEBRUARY.
11:21:52AM MONTH AND MONTH AND MONTH PASSED.
11:21:54AM I COULD NOT DELAY ON MY JOB LIKE YOU ARE.
11:21:57AM I EXPECT A STATE OF EMERGENCY DECLARED TODAY.
11:22:00AM ANYONE WHO DOES NO THE VOTE ON IT, DOES NOT APPROVE OF IT,
11:22:03AM YOU CAN EXPECT THAT MATTER YOUR RECORD ON ANY OTHER ISSUE I
11:22:08AM WILL NOT ADVOCATE FOR YOU TO BE REELECTED.
11:22:11AM I WILL ADVOCATE FOR THE OPPOSITE.
11:22:13AM WE NEED ELECTED LEADER WHO WILL DO WORK THAT IS REQUIRED.
11:22:16AM THANK YOU AND I HOPE YOU -- REQUIRED.
11:22:19AM THANK YOU AND I HOPE YOU PASS THE TEST.
11:22:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:22:22AM FLORIDA GARDUNO.
11:22:25AM ARE YOU ONLINE?
11:22:27AM >> YES, I AM, THANK YOU.
11:22:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:22:29AM >> ERIC GARDUNO.
11:22:32AM BAY AREA APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
11:22:35AM PO BOX 1598.
11:22:39AM I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND
11:22:43AM CERTAINLY A A LOT OF HOUSING ISSUE THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED
11:22:47AM TODAY.
11:22:47AM EVERYBODY CAN AGREE THAT RENTS ARE -- HAVE GONE UP.
11:22:50AM THAT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT, WE KNOW THAT.
11:22:53AM LAST YEAR I THINK WE MADE A -- THE DATA POINT THAT WAS CITED
11:22:59AM COAST STAR DATA INCREASED 24%.
11:23:04AM DATA POINT THAT EVERYBODY IN MY INDUSTRY, EVERYBODY IN THE
11:23:07AM COMMUNITY CAN AGREE TO.
11:23:08AM THAT WAS -- YOU KNOW, THAT IS BASED ON ACTUAL DATA.
11:23:12AM WELL, OTHER DATA POINTS THAT PEOPLE, I THINK, NEEDS TO BE
11:23:15AM UPDATED ON BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAINLY CHANGES IN THE MARKET
11:23:18AM THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
11:23:21AM SO THIS IS ALSO RECENTLY REPORTED FROM CO-STAR.
11:23:24AM ONE, TAMPA IS AMONG THE TOP TEN MARKETS WITH THE HIGHEST NEW
11:23:30AM SUPPLY COME INTO THE MARKET COMPARED TO THE THREE-YEAR
11:23:33AM AVERAGE.
11:23:33AM TWO, TAMPA IS AMONG THE TOP TEN MARKETS OF VACANCY RATES
11:23:38AM INCREASE BETWEEN FOURTH QUARTER 2021.
11:23:42AM AND SECOND QUARTER 2022.
11:23:44AM THIRD, TAMPA IS AMONG THE TOP TEN MARKETS THAT SEE THE
11:23:47AM HEAVIEST DECLINE IN RENT GROWTH.
11:23:49AM THAT 24% FIGURE THAT WAS LAST YEAR IS ACCORDING TO CO-STAR
11:23:54AM NOW'S 14%.
11:23:55AM THEY ARE PROJECTS IT TO GO DOWN TO 8% BY THE END OF THE
11:24:00AM YEAR.
11:24:00AM THIS IS A RESULT OF MORE UNITS COMING ONLINE.
11:24:03AM THAT THE WHOLE POINT.
11:24:06AM WE NEED MORE HOUSING BUILT AND PUTTING UP VARIOUS ORDINANCES
11:24:10AM AND LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS THAT WOULD DISCOURAGE HOUSING IS
11:24:14AM THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO.
11:24:16AM WE DEFINITELY AGREE THAT LAND USE CHANGES AND NEW PROGRAMS
11:24:19AM THAT FOCUS ESPECIALLY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WHAT NEEDS TO
11:24:24AM BE DONE.
11:24:25AM WE HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS IN THAT CATEGORY.
11:24:27AM AND WE WOULD LOVE TO COME AND SHARE THEM WITH YOU EACH, CITY
11:24:31AM COUNCILMEMBERS, AND REALLY WORK WITH YOU AND OTHERS IN THE
11:24:34AM COMMUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON AN AGENDA THAT WILL ACTUALLY
11:24:37AM HELP THE HOUSING SITUATION.
11:24:38AM THANK YOU.
11:24:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:24:41AM MISS NURSE, ARE YOU ON LINE?
11:24:45AM >> CHAIR, THE ONLY OTHER REGISTERED SPEAKER LOGGED ON AT
11:24:48AM THIS TIME IS MISS CARROLLL ANN BENNETT.
11:24:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU THERE?
11:24:57AM >> YES, I AM.
11:24:58AM HELLO EVERYBODY, CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:25:03AM LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA AND THE T.H.A.N. REPRESENTATIVE
11:25:08AM IN THE STAKEHOLDER THAT'S THE CITY IS MEETING WITH REGARDING
11:25:12AM PURE.
11:25:12AM ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, WE CAME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE
11:25:17AM SOMETHING WAS BEING VOTED ON BY Y'ALL THAT WAS BURIED, THE
11:25:21AM VERY LAST LINE, THE VERY TINY BLURRY PRINT ON A DOCUMENT YOU
11:25:26AM ARE ALL VOTING ON THAT MENTIONED PURE.
11:25:28AM AND WE FOUND OUT BECAUSE NANCY STEVENS AND I COMBED THE
11:25:34AM AGENDA AND COMBED THE ITEMS IN SIRE AND WE FOUND IT.
11:25:38AM AND WE CAME TO YOU BECAUSE WE WERE VERY UPSETS THAT THE PURE
11:25:43AM STAKEHOLDERS WERE NOT NOTIFIED, THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS VOTING
11:25:46AM ON SOMETHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH PURE.
11:25:48AM AND THE SOLUTION WAS TO REMOVE THAT ONE LINE ITEM FROM WHAT
11:25:54AM YOU WERE VOTING ON.
11:25:55AM AND SEVERAL REPRESENT TESTIFIES OF THE CITY, INCLUDING JEAN
11:25:58AM DUNCAN, APOLOGIZED FOR THE FACT THAT THE PURE -- THE PURE
11:26:02AM STAKEHOLDERS WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THIS AND SAID IT WON'T
11:26:06AM HAPPEN AGAIN.
11:26:07AM AND TODAY IT HAPPENED AGAIN.
11:26:09AM I WAS SCOURING THE AGENDA LIKE THE CRAZY PERSON THAT I AM.
11:26:15AM AND I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT PURE.
11:26:18AM AND NOTIFIED NANCY AND THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND ITS VERY
11:26:23AM UPSETTING THAT, YET AGAIN, YOU GUYS WERE -- YOU ALL WERE SET
11:26:28AM TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH PURE.
11:26:31AM AND NONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS HAD BEEN NOTIFIED.
11:26:34AM LAST FRIDAY, WE -- THE STAKEHOLDERS WERE SUPPOSE TO HAVE A
11:26:39AM MEETING WITH THE CITY THAT WAS POSTPONED TO TOMORROW.
11:26:43AM YET DURING THE BACK AND FORTH E-MAIL ABOUT THAT, NOT ONCE
11:26:47AM WAS IT MENTIONED THAT YOU GUYS -- YOU ALL WERE SPEAKING ON
11:26:51AM SOMETHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH PURE.
11:26:53AM I DON'T THINK THIS IS A DELIBERATE ACTION, BUT I THINK IT IS
11:26:59AM A PROBLEM.
11:27:00AM A REAL PROBLEM.
11:27:01AM WE HAVE GOTTEN REPEATED COMMITMENTS THAT NOTHING ABOUT PURE
11:27:05AM WILL SLIDE BY, THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS WILL BE NOTIFIED ABOUT
11:27:09AM ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON WITH PURE.
11:27:13AM AND NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE PROMISE THAT, IT IS NOT
11:27:17AM HAPPENING.
11:27:18AM SO I AM GOING TO ASK YOU AGAIN TO -- I AM TRYING TO BRING
11:27:22AM THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION SO, ONCE AGAIN, THERE CAN BE AN
11:27:25AM AWARENESS OF THE FACT THAT THIS COMMITMENT HAS BEEN MADE
11:27:29AM THAT THE CITIZENS WILL BE NOTIFIED ABOUT ANYTHING AND
11:27:34AM EVERYTHING NO MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL THAT HAS TO DO WITH
11:27:39AM PURE.
11:27:40AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:27:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THERE IS NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON LINE.
11:27:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE,
11:27:50AM SIR.
11:27:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. GUDES.
11:27:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HEARD ENOUGH TODAY.
11:27:54AM I HEARD ENOUGH ALL YEAR ABOUT THIS HOUSING SITUATION.
11:27:56AM YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY JIVE ME AN ASSIGNMENT.
11:28:02AM I SAID A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT I WOULD COME BACK WITH
11:28:05AM INFORMATION IN REFERENCE TO THE ASSIGNMENT.
11:28:07AM I HAVE COME BACK WITH THAT.
11:28:08AM SO I JUST WANT THE CLERK TO ENTER THAT INTO THE RECORD
11:28:12AM PLEASE.
11:28:13AM GIVE COUNCILMEMBERS A COPY OF WHAT I RESEARCHED.
11:28:16AM IN REFERENCE TO THE HOUSING CRISIS AND DECLARING A STATE OF
11:28:21AM THE EMERGENCY AND PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT.
11:28:23AM MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS CLEAR THAT TAMPA IS FACING A HOUSING
11:28:33AM STATE OF EMERGENCY.
11:28:33AM DATA SHOW THAT'S TAMPA IS ONE OF THREE TOP METROS IN THE
11:28:37AM STATE IN TERMS OF RENT GROWTH FALLING ONLY BEHIND MIAMI AND
11:28:44AM ORLANDO.
11:28:45AM TAMPA'S MEDIAN RENT IS $2098 REFLECT CAN 35.8 OVER-THE-YEAR
11:28:52AM PRICE INCREASE.
11:28:53AM EVERY DAY FAMILIES ARE FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PAYING RENT
11:28:58AM OR AFFORDING THE NECESSITIES OF LIFE.
11:28:59AM MAY 9, 2022, 64,000 HOUSES IN MANATEE, SARASOTA COUNTIES ARE
11:29:06AM BEHIND IN RENT.
11:29:07AM ACCORDING TO DATA ON THE U.S. COUNCIL OF HOMELESSNESS,
11:29:10AM FLORIDA MASS THE THIRD LARGEST HOMELESS POPULATION IN THE
11:29:13AM COUNTRY.
11:29:15AM CITE STUDY AFTER STUDY THAT SHOW THAT FLORIDA RESIDENTS ARE
11:29:19AM SOME OF THE MOST COST BURDENED IN THE NATION.
11:29:21AM I AM SURE THAT EVERY COUNCILMEMBER ON THIS DAIS CAN ATTEST
11:29:24AM TO THE INFLUX OF PHONE CALLS, E-MAILS FROM THEIR
11:29:28AM CONSTITUENTS SEEKING HOUSING ASSISTANCE.
11:29:30AM WAGE -- INSUFFICIENT HOUSING INVENTORY PREPANDEMIC ON THE
11:29:39AM TRAJECTORY WE ARE NOW ON IN THE COVID-19 ONLY EXACERBATED
11:29:46AM THE PROBLEM.
11:29:47AM TAMPA HAS SEEN THE HIGHEST POPULATION GROWTH FROM 2010 TO
11:29:51AM 2020 AND EXPECTED TO GROW AN ADDITIONAL 27% BY 2025.
11:29:55AM GROWTH OF THIS NATURE IS WELCOMED, IT COMES WITH THE -- WITH
11:29:58AM THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF COMPOUNDING PRESSURES ON THE
11:30:03AM ALREADY STRUGGLING HOUSING MARKETS.
11:30:06AM ZILLOW REPORTS THAT AVAILABLE OF HOME DROPPED 29.5% IN
11:30:12AM OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
11:30:12AM LOW VACANCY RATES.
11:30:15AM UNAVAILABILITY OF HOUSING HAVE INCREASED HOUSING
11:30:20AM VULNERABILITY FOR SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION
11:30:23AM INCLUDING CHILDREN.
11:30:24AM MOVING THREE OR MORE TIMES IN ONE YEAR OFTEN WITH MULTIPLE
11:30:29AM MOVES HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATE WITH NEGATIVE HEALTH OUTCOMES IN
11:30:32AM CHILDREN -- IN CHILDREN WHO MOVE FREQUENTLY AND MORE LIKELY
11:30:36AM TO HAVE CHRONIC CONDITIONS AND POOR HEALTH SERVICES.
11:30:39AM BASED ON THE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE FROM BOTH THE PUBLIC AND
11:30:44AM PRIVATE SECTOR, I ASK THAT THE CITY DECLARE A HOUSING
11:30:47AM EMERGENCY.
11:30:47AM A MOTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE AN AGENDA ITEM
11:30:50AM DECLARING THAT A HOUSING EMERGENCY EXISTS WHICH IS SO GRAVE
11:30:54AM --
11:30:54AM >> SECOND.
11:30:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: -- CONSTITUTES A GENERAL MENACE TO THE GO
11:30:59AM EN RALE PUBLIC AND MEASURES THAT ARE NECESSARY AND PROPER TO
11:31:02AM ELIMINATE THE EXISTING HOUSING EMERGENCY.
11:31:04AM CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD EXPEDITIOUSLY PREPARE AN ORDINANCE
11:31:09AM MEETING REQUIREMENTS, 1.66043 SO A FINAL VOTE BY CITY
11:31:15AM COUNCIL AUGUST 23, 2022 ALONG WITH THE LANGUAGE TO BE
11:31:19AM PRESENTED ON THE CITY BALLOT TO MEET THE DEADLINE PROVIDED
11:31:21AM BY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION FOR THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
11:31:24AM AN ATTACHMENT DOCUMENT IS PREPARED BY LEGAL ADVISORS THAT I
11:31:30AM HAVE COME ACROSS THAT HAVE GIVEN ME THE INFORMATION TO LAY
11:31:33AM OUT REQUIREMENTS NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT FURTHER REVIEW FOR THE
11:31:37AM ORDINANCE.
11:31:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
11:31:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THIS TO BE PREPARED BY CITY LEGAL OR CITY
11:31:44AM COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
11:31:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CITY LEGAL.
11:31:47AM I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN A DOCUMENT.
11:31:48AM THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF LEGWORK AND REVIEW IT AND
11:31:51AM BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR A BALLOT FOR THE VOTERS.
11:31:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST WANTING TO BE SPECIFIC ON THAT.
11:31:57AM WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:32:01AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:32:04AM ANY DISCUSSION?
11:32:06AM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
11:32:08AM PLEASE, ANY DISCUSSION.
11:32:09AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:32:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST OF ALL, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:32:14AM THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP.
11:32:15AM I KNOW IT IS NOT EASY.
11:32:17AM NOTHING IS.
11:32:17AM BUT I THINK WE -- WE HEARD THE CRIES OF THE PEOPLE.
11:32:20AM AND WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
11:32:22AM IT IS UP TO US AS A CITY COUNCIL.
11:32:24AM IT IS UP TO US AS DECENT HUMAN BEINGS TO HELP ONE ANOTHER IN
11:32:28AM WHATEVER CAPACITY THAT WE CAN.
11:32:30AM YOU HAVE COME HERE WEEK AFTER WEEK.
11:32:33AM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUFFERING FOR A LONG TIME.
11:32:34AM CALL IT A VICTIM OF OUR SUCCESS, WHATEVER IT IS.
11:32:37AM WE CANNOT ALLOW MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO BE ON THE STREET
11:32:41AM FACING EVICTION.
11:32:42AM IT COULD EFFECT ANYBODY.
11:32:44AM WE COULD BE THERE.
11:32:45AM ANYBODY IS ONE PAYCHECK AWAY, ONE DISASTER AWAY.
11:32:49AM AND WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE
11:32:52AM WERE ELECTED TO DO TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING FOR
11:32:54AM HELP.
11:32:54AM THANK YOU.
11:32:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:32:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I 100% SUPPORT THIS.
11:33:01AM IT SHOULD GO ON THE BALLOT.
11:33:03AM WE ARE DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS.
11:33:06AM PEOPLE ARE COMING TO US.
11:33:07AM THEY ARE ASKING FOR HELP.
11:33:08AM WE ARE -- WE ARE BEING TOLD THERE IS NOT A LOT WE CAN DO.
11:33:15AM BUT WE CAN PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
11:33:16AM WE CAN LEAVE IT UP TO THE PEOPLE.
11:33:17AM THAT IS WHAT EVERYONE IS ASKING US TO DO.
11:33:20AM THEY ARE ASKING US TO HELP.
11:33:22AM AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I REALIZED HOW -- I THOUGHT I COULD
11:33:27AM GET THINGS DONE FASTER HERE AND THAT IS NOT THE NATURE OF
11:33:31AM GOVERNMENT, BUT THE NATURE OF THE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE POWER IS
11:33:34AM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
11:33:35AM SO WE ARE STILL WORKING INCREDIBLY HARD.
11:33:40AM AND YOU KNOW IT.
11:33:40AM WE ARE WORKING AS PARTNERS TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN IN THE
11:33:44AM BACKGROUND AND WILL NOT STOP ME FROM SUPPORTING MORE MONEY
11:33:47AM IN THE BUDGET TO HELP PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
11:33:49AM BUT THE PEOPLE WANT THIS DONE.
11:33:51AM AND I DON'T SEE A WAY -- I DON'T SEE A REASON NOT SUPPORT
11:33:56AM THAT.
11:33:56AM THANK YOU ALL.
11:33:57AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
11:34:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:34:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, THANK YOU.
11:34:07AM THREE YEARS AGO I MADE A MOTION TO SPEND A MINIMUM OF 30%
11:34:11AM OF CRA MONEY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:34:13AM I SUPPORTED EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVE THAT WE PUT
11:34:17AM FORWARD.
11:34:17AM I HAVE SUPPORTED RENT TOLL ASSISTANCE.
11:34:19AM I CREATED TAMPA SCORECARD THREE YEARS LOOK TO POINT OUT THE
11:34:24AM PROBLEMS OF POVERTY AND DISPARITIES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN,
11:34:28AM BLACKS AND WHITES AND OTHER ISSUES TO TRY TO ADDRESS THESE
11:34:31AM ISSUES.
11:34:32AM BUT I AM -- I AM NOT IN ANY WAY GOING TO SUPPORT PUTTING
11:34:35AM ANYTHING ON THE BALLOT.
11:34:37AM IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS A SHORT-TERM INITIATIVE.
11:34:42AM I HAVE LIVED IN CITIES THAT HAVE RENT CONTROL.
11:34:44AM AND IF THE STATE ALLOWED US TO HAVE LONGER RENT CONTROL AND
11:34:49AM DO THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY, THAT'S FINE.
11:34:51AM IN PHILOSOPHY, TO PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T STUDIED THE -- THE
11:34:56AM STATE LEGISLATION, RENT CONTROL SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
11:35:00AM BUT BASIC ECONOMICS 101.
11:35:03AM IF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE
11:35:06AM DISPLACED WHEN THIS STARTS.
11:35:08AM AND IT IS NO THE GOING TO BE ON MY SHOULDERS THAT WE
11:35:11AM DISPLACE PEOPLE.
11:35:12AM BECAUSE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THE LANDLORDS WILL DOUBLE
11:35:15AM OR TRIPLE THE RENT EXPECT THIS RENT CONTROL WILL LAST AT
11:35:19AM LEAST A YEAR AND THEN MIGHT BE RENEWED.
11:35:21AM WHAT I WOULD RATHER WE DO LIKE I PROPOSED WITH
11:35:24AM REPRESENTATIVE HART IS THAT WE AND THE FOLKS IN THE ROOM,
11:35:28AM LET'S LOBBY TALLAHASSEE TO CHANGE THOSE STATE LAWS.
11:35:32AM TAKE AWAY THE PREEMPTIONS AND ALLOW THE CITY TO DO THE
11:35:35AM THINGS WE DO.
11:35:35AM WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD AND WORK WITH MANY FOLKS IN
11:35:39AM THIS ROOM TO TRY TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND OTHER POLICIES TO
11:35:44AM TRY TO MOVE THESE ISSUES FORWARD.
11:35:46AM AS I SAID WE HAVE EIGHT YEARS OF NEGLECT.
11:35:48AM NOT JUST NEGLECT BUT GOING BACKWARDS.
11:35:50AM AN ADMINISTRATION THAT TOOK BENCHES OUT OF PARKS AND FOR
11:35:54AM DOWN AFFORDABLE MOUSING AND BRUTALLY ATTACKED POOR PEOPLE.
11:35:58AM AND WE TRIED TO CHANGE THAT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, BUT IT
11:36:03AM IS REALLY HARD TO CHANGE THESE THINGS IMMEDIATELY.
11:36:05AM THIS -- THE REASON WHY I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AND
11:36:08AM NOT SUPPORT IT AT ALL IS BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE
11:36:10AM SHOULD PASS SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE AND
11:36:14AM HURT PEOPLE WHEN WE SHOULD BE PASSING INITIATIVES TO HELP
11:36:17AM PEOPLE.
11:36:18AM JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE OR OUT OF STATE WANTS
11:36:22AM THIS AND OBVIOUS THAT SOMEBODY WANTS THIS BECAUSE TAMPA TO
11:36:24AM BE THE GUINEA PIG TO CHALLENGE THE STATE LAW.
11:36:27AM INSTEAD OF DOING THAT AN ADVOCACY CAMPAIGN TO GET
11:36:32AM TALLAHASSEE TO CHANGE THE LAW.
11:36:33AM NOT ASPEN HILL HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
11:36:37AM OF THIS CITY'S MONEY AND OTHER TAXPAYER MONIES.
11:36:42AM LET'S GO STRAIGHT TO TALLAHASSEE AND CHANGE THE LAW.
11:36:46AM THIS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
11:36:49AM MONEY AND TIME SPENT TO HELP PEOPLE WITH THE REAL PROBLEM.
11:36:52AM WHEN THOUSAND OF PEOPLE ARE PUSHED OUT BECAUSE LANDLORDS ARE
11:36:55AM DOUBLING AND TRIPLING RATES, I DON'T WANT TO SAY I TOLD YOU
11:36:59AM SO THEN, BUT I WILL CRY ALONG WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS WILL
11:37:01AM HAVE HURT THEM SO BADLY.
11:37:03AM THANK YOU.
11:37:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:37:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:37:07AM I HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE CERTAINLY.
11:37:10AM THEY ARE BOTH VALID.
11:37:12AM YOU LOOK AT MONEY WELL SPENT.
11:37:13AM I EARLIER SAID I DON'T MIND FALLING, I WORRY ABOUT THE
11:37:16AM LANDING.
11:37:17AM LAWSUITS ARE WON AND LOST.
11:37:19AM A LAWSUIT TO ME DOESN'T WORRY ME UNLESS I LOSE IT.
11:37:23AM AND THIS CITY IS -- IS GOING TO PAY $175 OR A MILLION THREE
11:37:28AM QUARTERS THAT WE VOTED THREE OR FOUR FIVE YEARS BASED ON
11:37:32AM ANOTHER CITY'S ORDINANCE AND WE LOST.
11:37:34AM WE DIDN'T LOSE.
11:37:35AM THEY LOSE.
11:37:36AM THE PROBLEM IS OUR -- OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE WROTE MIRRORS
11:37:40AM THAT CITY'S.
11:37:41AM ARE WE GOING TO WIN THAT ONE?
11:37:44AM OF COURSE.
11:37:44AM BETTER OFF SELLING IT.
11:37:46AM SETTLING THE LAWSUIT.
11:37:50AM HOWEVER, LET ME GO BACK.
11:37:52AM THERE IS CERTAINLY -- SOMETHING HAS GOT TO TRIGGER THOSE WHO
11:37:56AM REALLY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING THIS.
11:37:58AM AND IN THIS CASE, YOU ARE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
11:38:03AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE, IF IT COMES FROM THE CITY,
11:38:07AM BUT THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE WHOLE AUTHORITY.
11:38:11AM COMES FROM THE HIGHER UP.
11:38:13AM NOT TRYING TO PINPOINT THE GOVERNMENT, BUT THE REALITY IS
11:38:17AM WHEN YOU ARE A CITY, YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE STATE
11:38:19AM GOVERNMENT.
11:38:20AM THE COUNTY IS PART OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT.
11:38:22AM NOT THE CITY.
11:38:23AM SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS, THE MONIES THAT COME IN.
11:38:27AM I HEARD PEOPLE COME TO THE MIC TODAY.
11:38:31AM TAKE MONEY FROM THIS ACCOUNT AND THAT ACCOUNT.
11:38:33AM THE PROBLEM WITH TAKING MONEY FROM THOSE ACCOUNTS, THOSE ARE
11:38:35AM ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE FOR ANYTHING ELSE
11:38:39AM OTHER THAN FOR THAT UNIT OF GOVERNMENT THAT CREATES THEIR
11:38:43AM OWN MONEY, THAT MAKES THEIR OWN PAYROLL, PAY THEIR OWN
11:38:47AM TAXES, PAY THEIR OWN INSURANCE, TO PAY THEIR OWN BOND
11:38:50AM SERVICES.
11:38:50AM YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT MONEY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT
11:38:54AM BECAUSE IT IS BONDED OUT.
11:38:55AM IF YOU USE THAT MONEY AND AS SOON AS THEY HEAR ABOUT IT,
11:38:58AM YOUR INTEREST RATE IS GOING TO GO UP.
11:39:01AM SO WHAT ARE YOU GAINING?
11:39:04AM YOU ARE GAINING A NET LOSS.
11:39:05AM NOT A NET GAIN.
11:39:08AM SO WE BORROW MONEY JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
11:39:11AM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I AM LOOKING AT; HOWEVER, ALL
11:39:16AM THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T LIKE TO WALK ANY FENCE.
11:39:19AM BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO SLIP AND FALL.
11:39:21AM I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE WHEN YOU WALK FENCES.
11:39:23AM SO I AM LOOKING AT THIS SAYING JUST MAYBE THIS IS A WAKE-UP
11:39:29AM CALL TO ANOTHER GOVERNMENT THAT THEY HAVE SHAKEN THE TREE
11:39:33AM ENOUGH THAT THE ACORNS FINALLY FALL.
11:39:36AM SO MAYBE I SHOULD SUPPORT THIS EVEN THOUGH I NORMALLY GET A
11:39:42AM LAWSUIT AND I KNOW I AM GOING TO LOSE.
11:39:43AM I KNOW THAT.
11:39:46AM HOWEVER, THE SHAKING OF ANOTHER GOVERNMENT IS WHERE IT COMES
11:39:51AM FROM AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T LOSE THERE IF WE LOSE HERE.
11:39:54AM THEREFORE, AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON WHAT HE SAID IN A LOT OF
11:39:58AM THE AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
11:39:59AM I WANT TO SHAKE THAT TREE BECAUSE THIS MONEY IS GOING TO RUN
11:40:03AM OUT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
11:40:05AM AND IF IT RUNS OUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO
11:40:10AM KICK THE CAN TOO.
11:40:11AM THE CAN HAS BEEN WORN OUT BEING KICKED SO MANY TIMES.
11:40:14AM SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ENDING SOMEWHERE IN SOME LIFE.
11:40:17AM AND LET'S FACE IT, WE ARE ALL BORN WITH A EXPIRATION DATE.
11:40:22AM WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS ON A HUMANITY SIDE.
11:40:26AM BUT THIS CAN DOESN'T HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE BECAUSE WE
11:40:31AM KICKED IT SO MANY TIMES IT IS WORN OFF, NOT US, BUT THE
11:40:34AM WHOLE GOVERNMENT'S PROCESS WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH.
11:40:36AM SO I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE WE ARE
11:40:39AM GOING TO LOSE.
11:40:40AM AND YOU WILL SAY HOW CAN YOU DO THAT?
11:40:42AM BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THE END RESULT, NOT THE BEGINNING.
11:40:46AM YOU KNOW YOU DON'T WIN EVERY SPORT GAME BY THROWING A
11:40:49AM TOUCHDOWN.
11:40:50AM SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE YOU KICK A FIELD GOAL.
11:40:54AM GUESS WHAT, IT HAS GOT TO GO IN BETWEEN THE TWO GOALPOSTS.
11:40:58AM IT IS NOT GUARANTEED AND NEITHER IS THIS.
11:41:00AM WE ARE NOT IN THE FOURTH QUARTER.
11:41:02AM WE HAVE BEEN ON DOUBLE OVERTIME.
11:41:06AM AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE RESULTS.
11:41:08AM BECAUSE THIS IS A NEVER-ENDING THING THAT POSSIBLY MAY NEVER
11:41:14AM END.
11:41:14AM IT MAY GET BETTER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL EVER END.
11:41:17AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
11:41:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:41:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:41:25AM AND PARDON -- AGAIN, I HAVE COVID, SO MY MIND ISN'T WORKING
11:41:31AM AS WELL AS IT USUALLY DOES.
11:41:33AM YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE ON THIS ISSUE.
11:41:36AM I THINK THAT ALL SEVEN OF US SHARE A HEART FOR AFFORDABLE
11:41:40AM HOUSING AND WHATNOT.
11:41:42AM IN SHORT, I WILL BE VOTE TO MOVE IN FORWARD AND YES, I HAVE
11:41:47AM SOME QUESTIONS FOR LEGAL.
11:41:49AM PARTICULARLY ON ONE ISSUE, ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THIS
11:41:53AM WILL EFFECT.
11:41:54AM THAT IS -- I DON'T WANT TO OVERPROMISE.
11:41:59AM AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY, REALLY BOTHERS ME AS AN
11:42:03AM ELECTED OFFICIAL IS -- IS A GENERAL PRINCIPLE, THE IDEA OF
11:42:07AM OVERPROMISING THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN
11:42:10AM DO THINGS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
11:42:12AM THIS COULD BE ONE OF THEM.
11:42:13AM I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH SCRUTINY.
11:42:16AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, HIS WORDS -- I JUST -- COMING IN HIS
11:42:22AM DEFENSE.
11:42:22AM I KNOW I HAVE BEEN AT THE 6-1, SOMETIMES MYSELF.
11:42:25AM AND IT SOMETIMES TAKES A LOT TO DO IT ON A 6-1 VOTE.
11:42:32AM HE ALWAYS HAD A STELLAR RECORDS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:42:35AM SO, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL VERY, VERY UNITED AT THE
11:42:40AM END.
11:42:40AM MAYBE DISAGREE ON THE MEANS.
11:42:42AM BUT IN THAT REGARD FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE VOTE.
11:42:46AM THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY RAMBLING THOUGHTS.
11:42:48AM THANK YOU.
11:42:51AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: SINCE THIS IS DIRECTED TO LEGAL, IF I CAN
11:42:54AM LET'S COUNCIL AWARE OF SOME OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH
11:42:58AM THAT ARE PRACTICAL.
11:42:59AM FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN GUDES PUT THIS
11:43:03AM TOGETHER.
11:43:03AM IT LOOKS TO BE LARGELY BASED ON A SIMILAR MEASURE THAT
11:43:07AM ORANGE COUNTY TOOK, I THINK, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
11:43:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT CAME -- FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
11:43:15AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BUT THE -- THE OUTLINE OF IT IS VERY, VERY
11:43:19AM SIMILAR TO WHAT ORANGE COUNTY JUST MOVED EARLIER THIS WEEK.
11:43:23AM WE OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS.
11:43:27AM IT NEEDS TO BE TAILORED TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND TAKES A BIT
11:43:33AM OF TIME.
11:43:34AM WE NEED TO VERIFY THE FINDINGS BEING MADE IN THIS TO MAKE
11:43:36AM SURE THEY ARE ACCURATE BECAUSE THE STATUTE DOES REQUIRE WE
11:43:41AM MAKE FINDINGS OF THE BASIS OF DECLARING THIS THROUGH THE
11:43:44AM HOUSING CRISIS.
11:43:45AM WE NEED FINDINGS IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT THIS WILL BE
11:43:48AM A MEASURE THAT WILL ADDRESS THAT CRISIS.
11:43:51AM ONE OF THINGS THAT -- JUST SO THE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT WE
11:43:56AM ARE LACK THAT ORANGE COUNTY HAS WHICH IS THE ONLY OTHER
11:43:59AM GOVERNMENT WE ARE AWARE OF IN FLORIDA THAT IS MOVING FORWARD
11:44:02AM IN THE SAME DIRECTION OF THIS BODY IS AS ORANGE COUNTY HAS
11:44:05AM DONE A HOUSING STUDY.
11:44:07AM SO THEY DID HAVE ANALYSIS AND FACTS ON WHICH TO RELY.
11:44:11AM ALSO, ORANGE COUNTY IS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT SIMILAR TO THE
11:44:17AM POINT THAT ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE ORANGE COUNTY AREA AND YOU
11:44:20AM ARE DEALING WITH EVERYONE, NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE THE
11:44:23AM AUTHORITY TO DO IT WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT I WANT TO
11:44:27AM POINT OUT THAT OUR ANALYSIS MAY BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE ARE
11:44:30AM A CITY AND ONLY A FRACTION, A QUARTER OF POPULATION OF
11:44:35AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:44:35AM A LOT OF THE APARTMENTS AND FOLKS IMPACTED BY RENTAL
11:44:38AM INCREASES ARE IN UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
11:44:42AM EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT AND
11:44:44AM THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO FOLKS.
11:44:47AM WE ARE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
11:44:49AM THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THING.
11:44:50AM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF TO
11:44:53AM PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER, GIVEN THE TIME FRAME TO GET IT ON THE
11:44:57AM NOVEMBER BALLOT IS VERY -- EXTREMELY TIGHT.
11:44:59AM AUGUST 23 IS THE DEADLINE TO GET EVERYTHING TO THE
11:45:03AM SUPERVISORS ELECTIONS OFFICE.
11:45:04AM THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY ORDINANCE, FLORIDA LAW.
11:45:08AM THERE HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF TEN DAYS BEFORE FIRST AND
11:45:12AM SECOND READINGS.
11:45:15AM I WANT TO WARN COUNCIL.
11:45:18AM THIS IS IT COMPLICATED.
11:45:19AM A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND MAY BE DIFFICULT TO PUT TOGETHER
11:45:22AM IN THIS TIME FRAME.
11:45:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS, MR. MACY.
11:45:29AM YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN UP-FRONT TO ME AND I APPRECIATE IN
11:45:32AM SAYING THAT.
11:45:32AM WE ARE IN A SITUATION HERE.
11:45:34AM WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
11:45:35AM WE HAVE ATTORNEYS.
11:45:37AM WE HAVE -- WE OUTSOURCE ATTORNEYS WITH OTHER FIRMS,
11:45:41AM WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
11:45:41AM TO ME WITH ALL DUE RESPECTS, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THOSE
11:45:44AM EXCUSES.
11:45:45AM I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE.
11:45:47AM THE PEOPLE ARE HURTING.
11:45:49AM I GO TO POPEYE'S.
11:45:51AM THE WHOLE CREW ARE TALKING OF THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX -- NOT
11:45:53AM MENTION THE NAME -- RENT THEIR RENT AND THESE PEOPLE ARE
11:45:56AM GOING TO BE OUTS.
11:45:57AM I GO AND LAST WEEK I VOTED ON AN ISSUE HERE, YOU KNOW.
11:46:01AM IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO VOTE ON BECAUSE IT WAS LEGAL, BUT
11:46:04AM IN MY HEART IT WAS WRONG.
11:46:06AM I GOT STUDENTS RIGHTS NOW -- PARENTS ARE CALLING ME MY KID
11:46:09AM CAN'T GO TO SCHOOL THIS YEAR BECAUSE THE SENIORS,
11:46:14AM UPPERCLASSMEN ARE MOVING BACK INTO THE DORM.
11:46:16AM FRESHMAN CAN'T GO BECAUSE THE PARENTS CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY
11:46:19AM FOR HOUSING.
11:46:20AM I VOTED ON SOMETHING I HAVE LUXURY STUDENT HOUSING GOING UP
11:46:23AM IN PLACES.
11:46:25AM HOW DOES THAT LOOK TO PEOPLE WHO SAY YOU VOTED ON THAT.
11:46:27AM I EXPLAIN WHY I VOTED ON THAT.
11:46:29AM I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT, BUT WHEN I HEAR THESE CASES --
11:46:34AM I DON'T KNOW PEOPLE IN THIS DAIS EVER BEEN HUNGRY AND LIGHTS
11:46:39AM BEEN OFF COUPLE OF DAYS BECAUSE OF YOUR MOM AND DAD.
11:46:42AM THAT HAPPENED TO ME.
11:46:43AM TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A JOB.
11:46:45AM BECAUSE MY DAD GOT LAID OFF BECAUSE OF HIS BACK.
11:46:47AM AND MY MOM WAS SICK.
11:46:49AM I HAD MY LIGHTS TURNED OFF.
11:46:50AM I HAVE GONE A WEEK WITHOUT EATING AND SAYING, MAN, WE ARE SO
11:46:53AM HUNGRY.
11:46:54AM SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:46:57AM THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
11:46:59AM IT MAY NOT BE SEEN -- OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIKE OH, HE -- THAT
11:47:03AM ANGRY BLACK MAN.
11:47:04AM NO, NO, NO, I AM DOING THAT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME
11:47:07AM OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT THEY ARE GOING
11:47:09AM THROUGH.
11:47:10AM IF YOU NEVER EXPERIENCE SOMETHING, YOU DON'T KNOW.
11:47:12AM BUT I EXPERIENCED THOSE THINGS.
11:47:14AM THE PASSION IN ME THAT MAKES ME DO THIS.
11:47:16AM I CAN'T SIT UP HERE AND BE THE REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT 5
11:47:20AM AND MY DISTRICT IS MULTIFACETED, RICH PEOPLE, POOR PEOPLE,
11:47:26AM ALCOHOLICS, DRUG ADDICTS.
11:47:27AM I HAVE EVERYBODY.
11:47:28AM 53% WHO ARE COUNTING ON ME ALL THE TIME.
11:47:31AM ALL THE TIME THEY ARE COUNTING ON ME.
11:47:33AM I AM SORRY.
11:47:34AM SOME PEOPLE WILL BE UPSET BUT SO BE IT.
11:47:37AM WE GET SUED ALL THE TIME.
11:47:38AM I HAVE BEEN SUED.
11:47:39AM IT DOESN'T MATTER.
11:47:40AM LET'S GET THE JOB DONE.
11:47:42AM DO WHAT WE CAN TO DO GET IT BACK HERE AND GET THE JOB DONE.
11:47:45AM THAT IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT TO DO.
11:47:47AM AGAIN, I RESPECT YOU, SIR.
11:47:51AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I APPRECIATE THAT AND I AM NOT SAYING -- I
11:47:53AM AM NOT SAYING THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WILL NOT WORK ON
11:47:55AM THIS AND TRY TO MOVE IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
11:47:58AM BUT MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF THE TIME FRAMES AND THERE ARE
11:48:00AM STEPS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.
11:48:02AM AND ANALYSIS AND JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE.
11:48:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND.
11:48:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:48:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FURTHERMORE ON THAT CAN ITEM.
11:48:12AM THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING
11:48:16AM THAT IS IS AFFORDABLE.
11:48:17AM SO I AM JUST THROWING IT OUT.
11:48:20AM YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
11:48:22AM THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
11:48:23AM SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THE ONLY WAY TO GET OUT OF THIS
11:48:27AM THING IS TO BUILD HOUSE THAT ARE AFFORDABLE.
11:48:29AM SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
11:48:32AM WELL, WHAT DID WE ASK LAST WEEK TO FIND OUT HOW MANY LOTS WE
11:48:36AM HAVE AND WHAT IT TAKES TO BUILD AND WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING YOU
11:48:38AM CAN BUILD ON THOSE LOTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOWER THE COST.
11:48:40AM YOU CAN'T SAY GO BUILD THEM.
11:48:43AM AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEM.
11:48:45AM WHAT DO WE GAIN THERE.
11:48:47AM EVICTION AGAIN?
11:48:49AM THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK AT ANOTHER THING.
11:48:50AM YOU BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS AFFORDABLE NO MATTER WHAT YOU
11:48:53AM CALL IT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH RAISING ELECTRICAL
11:48:56AM STUFF.
11:48:56AM WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH OTHER THINGS
11:48:58AM YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE NOT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T
11:49:02AM NOW AFFORD THE RENT.
11:49:03AM NOT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY, WHAT ARE YOU
11:49:06AM DOING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
11:49:07AM I HEAR TODAY THE ENVIRONMENTALIST SPEAK.
11:49:10AM I AM NOT A ENVIRONMENTALIST AND I DID NOR FOR THE
11:49:13AM ENVIRONMENT THAN PEOPLE STAND THERE AND SPEAK OF IT.
11:49:17AM BECAUSE I HAVE DONE EVERY -- I SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO THE
11:49:20AM PEOPLE TALK TO ME.
11:49:21AM DON'T ASK WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO FOR YOU.
11:49:23AM BUT ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
11:49:26AM TO SATISFY THINGS.
11:49:28AM YOU KNOW WHAT, NOBODY SAYS THAT.
11:49:29AM YOU THREATEN ME WITH LOSS OF ELECTION.
11:49:31AM YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T WIN EVERY BALL GAME.
11:49:33AM YOU CAN'T WIN EVERY FOOTBALL GAME.
11:49:35AM YOU CAN'T WIN EVERY BASKETBALL GAME.
11:49:38AM BUT YOU CAN'T LOSE THEM ALL EITHER.
11:49:40AM SO A THREAT TO ME MEANS -- I COME FROM THE SAME
11:49:45AM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GUDES DOES.
11:49:47AM PEOPLE WHO TALK DON'T BOTHER ME.
11:49:49AM THE SILENT ONES ARE THE ONE HAS IN WILL WHIP ON YOU.
11:49:52AM THAT IS WHAT I LEARNED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:49:54AM THE TALKERS JUST LOVE TO TALK.
11:49:57AM THE DOERS DON'T SAY MUCH.
11:49:58AM BUT THEY DO HURT YOU.
11:50:02AM AND WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY, LIVE UP TO THE RESPONSIBILITIES
11:50:06AM THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT YOURSELF FIRST IN THE MIRROR AND
11:50:09AM THEN FOLLOW WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE.
11:50:11AM THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING.
11:50:12AM BUT GOING BACK AGAIN.
11:50:14AM YOU GOT TO HAVE SOLAR IN YOUR HOUSES.
11:50:17AM SHOW ME HOW MANY ENVIRONMENTALISTS GOT SOLAR.
11:50:20AM YOU GOT TO DRIVE DIFFERENT AUTOMOBILES.
11:50:23AM HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE THAT.
11:50:25AM YOU NEED TO HAVE NO GRASS OR LITTLE GRASS.
11:50:27AM SO HE MANY HAVE THAT.
11:50:30AM NOT TOO MANY.
11:50:32AM SO I AM LISTENING TO ALL THIS, BUT INSIDE I TELL MYSELF,
11:50:38AM WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD.
11:50:39AM THEY ARE ASKING ME TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEMSELVES,
11:50:42AM DON'T DO.
11:50:43AM AND I LOVE THAT.
11:50:45AM BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAT WE ARE HERE.
11:50:47AM LIKE I SAID EARLIER.
11:50:49AM I DON'T LIKE TO LOSE.
11:50:51AM IF I KNOW I AM GOING TO LOSE.
11:50:53AM SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS -- NOT TRYING TO SAY AND I
11:50:57AM ALREADY SAID IT TWICE.
11:50:58AM IF IT TAKES A LOSS TO SHAKE UP ANOTHER GOVERNMENT TO DO
11:51:02AM SOMETHING, THEN THE LOSS IS WORTH IT.
11:51:04AM AND THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
11:51:06AM THANK YOU.
11:51:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:51:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I -- I AM TRYING TO SORT OF MAKE A
11:51:11AM CALENDAR HERE.
11:51:12AM BUT I AM HAPPY TO ALSO -- I THINK IF WE NEED TO HAVE A
11:51:17AM SEPARATE SESSION TO APPROVE A FIRST DRAFT SO WE CAN GET THE
11:51:23AM SECOND DRAFT DONE.
11:51:24AM I AM HAPPY TO CLEAR MY CALENDAR AND I AM SURE THAT SEVERAL
11:51:27AM OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WILL DO THAT.
11:51:28AM WE WILL HAVE -- WE HAVE ALL OF SNEEZE LAWYERS THAT ARE SIT
11:51:32AM IN RETAINER.
11:51:33AM LET'S USE THEM.
11:51:34AM WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT.
11:51:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:51:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: AS I SAID AND EXPLAINED WHY I WILL VOTE
11:51:47AM AGAINST IT BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL HURT MORE PEOPLE THAN
11:51:50AM HELP.
11:51:51AM A LOT OF OTHER INITIATIVES THAT I KNOW THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE
11:51:56AM LAND CONTINUE TO DO THOSE.
11:51:57AM I DON'T MIND BEING 6-1 ON IT, BECAUSE PHILOSOPHICALLY I
11:52:01AM THINK IT IS WRONG.
11:52:02AM BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, THE EFFECT OF THE RENT
11:52:09AM INCREASE THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
11:52:11AM IF WE WAIT UNTIL MARCH, THE SOLUTION WILL NOT GO INTO EFFECT
11:52:15AM UNTIL AFTER THAT.
11:52:16AM AND -- SOME ECONOMISTS ARE PREDICTING A RECESSION BY THEN
11:52:20AM ANYWAY.
11:52:20AM WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE NOW.
11:52:22AM EVEN THIS WILL GO ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
11:52:25AM THE OTHER THING IN NOVEMBER A BETTER REPRESENTATION OF THE
11:52:32AM VOTING PUBLIC.
11:52:32AM IN MARCH VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT COME OUT TO VOTE AND TO BE
11:52:36AM FAIR TO IT, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A LARGER REPRESENTATION OF
11:52:39AM PUBLIC SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:52:46AM AS SOON AS IT PASSES.
11:52:47AM I SAID I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT AND SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL PASS,
11:52:50AM I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT A FOLLOW-UP MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND
11:52:54AM SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:52:56AM AS COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK SAYS WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE AN
11:53:05AM ADDITIONAL ONE, I AM OKAY WITH THAT.
11:53:07AM IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO GET IT ON THE NOVEMBER
11:53:10AM BALLOT.
11:53:10AM THE CITY ATTORNEY SAY A LIST OF 30 LAW FIRM WE CAN DRAW
11:53:14AM FROM.
11:53:14AM ONE ON THE LIST HAS TWO FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS.
11:53:16AM IF WE STARTED TODAY, WE COULD START TO GET THEM ROLLING ON
11:53:20AM TRYING TO GET THIS IN.
11:53:21AM AGAIN I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IN THIS, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO
11:53:25AM DO IT, IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT AND MAKE
11:53:29AM DECISIONS TODAY TO PUT IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
11:53:32AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
11:53:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA LIVED IN PUBLIC HOUSING.
11:53:39AM I LIVED IN PUBLIC HOUSING.
11:53:41AM WE KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE POOR.
11:53:43AM THIS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS BIGGER THAN THE CITY OF
11:53:47AM TAMPA.
11:53:47AM WE NEED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:53:53AM WE NEED HELP OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
11:53:55AM WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE HERE ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING WHEN
11:53:59AM TALLAHASSEE THEMSELVES PREEMPT US FROM BEING ABLE TO DO
11:54:04AM THESE SORT OF THINGS.
11:54:05AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:54:07AM WE ARE PREEMPTED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
11:54:09AM TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT.
11:54:13AM LET'S SHAKE UP SOME TREE.
11:54:14AM LET'S DO SOME EARTHSHAKING.
11:54:16AM UNLESS WE GET THE HELP OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE STATE
11:54:22AM OF FLORIDA --
11:54:22AM >> WE ARE WORKING ON IT.
11:54:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, RIGHT NOW, I GUARANTEE
11:54:27AM PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE, 20 TO EACH OF US ARE WATCHING THIS
11:54:31AM RIGHT NOW.
11:54:32AM AND THEY GOT PEN TO PAPER.
11:54:34AM WE ARE GOING TO STOP THIS.
11:54:36AM WITHER GO TO PREEMPT THIS.
11:54:40AM WE HAVE A GREAT LAWYER TEAM.
11:54:41AM AS HAS BEEN PROVEN.
11:54:43AM WE HAVE FIVE LAWYERS HERE THAT ARE TOP 100 IN THE STATE OF
11:54:47AM FLORIDA IN MUNICIPAL LAWYERS.
11:54:49AM THEY CAN FIGHT THE FIGHT.
11:54:53AM WE CAN SHAKE THE TREE.
11:54:56AM WE HAVE GOT ROME YARD.
11:54:58AM WE HAVE GOT PROPERTIES WITH THE OLD ARMY NAVY USED TO BE.
11:55:02AM AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS COMING.
11:55:07AM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I AM SORRY IT IS NOT COMING FAST
11:55:09AM ENOUGH.
11:55:10AM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS DOING ITS PART, BUT THE FOR NOW, RIGHT
11:55:16AM NOW, RIGHT HERE AND NOW, WE HAVE BEEN PREEMPTED BY THE STATE
11:55:21AM OF FLORIDA.
11:55:22AM I WILL SUPPORT THIS.
11:55:24AM BUT I FEAR OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
11:55:30AM BUT LET'S SHAKE THOSE TREES.
11:55:32AM TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT.
11:55:34AM LET'S KNOCK SOME OF THOSE ACORNS OFF.
11:55:36AM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:55:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:55:43AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:55:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:55:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:55:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:55:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:55:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:55:54AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON VOTING NO.
11:56:02AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: RELATIVE TO THE TIMING REAL QUICK, MITES I
11:56:05AM SUGGEST YOU ALLOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO COME FORWARD ON
11:56:08AM AUGUST 4 AND REPORT TO YOU WHERE WE ARE.
11:56:09AM HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE AT THAT POINT IN
11:56:12AM TIME WHERE MAYBE YOU CAN FAKE FIRST READING.
11:56:14AM IF NOT, WE CAN CONSIDER IF WE NEED TO SCHEDULE SPECIAL DATES
11:56:19AM IN ORDER TO MEET THE DEADLINE.
11:56:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:56:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:56:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE SHOULD -- WE NEED TO TAKE THE
11:56:28AM ADVICE OF COUNSEL, BUT I ASK THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES SCHEDULE
11:56:33AM THIS FOR FIRST AND SECOND READING.
11:56:35AM WE NEED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND I SUGGEST A SECONDS
11:56:39AM MOTION TO REQUEST THAT IF -- IF LEGAL IS NOT ABLE TO HANDLE
11:56:43AM IT, THAT THEY ASSIGN US, TODAY OR TOMORROW, ONE OF THEIR
11:56:47AM OUTSOURCE LEGAL FIRMS TO -- TO WORK WITH US TO GET THIS
11:56:50AM DONE.
11:56:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL MAKE THE MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN
11:56:55AM REFERENCE TO THE AUGUST 4 DATE AND IF THERE IS A
11:56:58AM COMPLICATION THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT GET OUTSIDE COUNSEL
11:57:00AM TO HELP OUT WITH THIS SITUATION.
11:57:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I AMEN THAT FIRST AND SECOND READING.
11:57:06AM FIRST READING AUGUST 4.
11:57:07AM SECOND READING -- WHAT IS IT -- THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
11:57:13AM >> 18th MUCH.
11:57:15AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THINGS PREPARED IN
11:57:17AM THAT FASHION.
11:57:17AM WE WILL TRY TO GET A DRAFT ON THE 4th FOR FIRST READING.
11:57:21AM IF THERE IS SOME DELAY, WE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT AND
11:57:23AM FIGURE OUT WHAT DATES WE NEED TO SCHEDULE.
11:57:26AM BUT I THINK IF -- IF QUESTIONER ABLE TO PREPARE FOR GET
11:57:29AM OUTSIDE HELP TO PREPARE.
11:57:31AM WE ARE LUKING AT THE 4th AND 18th POTENTIALLY.
11:57:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE.
11:57:35AM THAT IS WHY WE ARE PUTTING THE DATES IN.
11:57:37AM IN OCCASION WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE DATES.
11:57:39AM IF WE DON'T DO IT, WE WILL NEVER GET THERE.
11:57:42AM TIME MARCHES ON.
11:57:44AM YOU CAN RUN FAST AND TIME ALWAYS CATCHES YOU.
11:57:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: VOTING ON THE AMENDED MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
11:57:53AM MIRANDA AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:57:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:57:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:57:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:58:00AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:58:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:58:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:58:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:58:05AM CLERK MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:58:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:58:10AM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE SOME BUSINESS BEFORE US.
11:58:13AM A LOT OF BUSINESS TODAY.
11:58:14AM WE ARE AT 12:00.
11:58:16AM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A 12:30 HARD STOP TO BREAK.
11:58:21AM SO LET'S BRING THE FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT UP AND I
11:58:27AM BELIEVE THAT IS MS. AUSTIN.
11:58:26 I'M SORRY, CHIEF, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK BEFOREHAND?
11:58:36 >>JOHN BENNETT: STILL GOOD MORNING.
11:58:36 GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:58:36 GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
11:58:36 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF, WITH KELLY AUSTIN, OUR HR
11:58:40 DIRECTOR, AND DENNIS ROGERO, THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
11:58:47 AS STATED THROUGH THE SIRE ITEMS THAT WE ASKED TO PULL,
11:58:49 SPEAKING OF GETTING THE JOB DONE, TODAY WE'RE HERE TO TALK
11:58:50 ABOUT OUR 4800-PLUS EMPLOYEES AS IT RELATES TO WHAT
11:58:55 TYPICALLY COMES UP ON A THREE-YEAR BASIS IS THE UNION
11:58:58 CONTRACTS, WHICH REPRESENT ABOUT 80% OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
11:59:01 SO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE INTENSITY OF THE AGENDA TODAY,
11:59:06 WE HAVE A REALLY BRIEF PowerPoint TO TALK THROUGH COUNCIL
11:59:10 AND THE PUBLIC TO EXPLAIN KIND OF THE JOURNEY THAT'S GONE
11:59:12 OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, 38 MEETINGS TO BE EXACT, AND
11:59:16 WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT WAS OR WHAT BECAME FOUR
11:59:20 TENTATIVE AGREEMENTS AND FOUR RATIFICATIONS AHEAD OF THE
11:59:23 BUDGET PLANNING.
11:59:24 AND IN MY 38 YEARS OF GOVERNMENT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME
11:59:28 I'VE EVER SEEN IT ON THE FRONT END OF THE BUDGET, WISHED
11:59:31 HELP COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS
11:59:35 GOING FORWARD ON THE CRITICAL NEEDS, SUCH AS HOUSING AND THE
11:59:38 OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.
11:59:40 IF WE CAN BRING UP THE PowerPoint, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO
11:59:43 DISCUSS THAT.
11:59:43 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF LEGAL AND
11:59:45 ALSO MAKE A STATEMENT.
11:59:47 CONGRATS ON MOVING THIS FORWARD QUICKLY, BUT MY QUESTION FOR
11:59:53 LEGAL IS, WERE THESE PROGRAMS PROPERLY NOTICED?
11:59:57 AND THE SECOND -- AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE SUBSTANCE OF THEM
12:00:02 -- BUT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE
12:00:04 NOT POSTED UNTIL THE LAST FEW DAYS.
12:00:06 SOME OF THEM WERE POSTED AROUND NOON YESTERDAY.
12:00:08 I JUST THINK FOR THE ADMINISTRATION'S POINT OF VIEW, IT IS
12:00:11 INCREDIBLY DISRESPECTFUL TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO EXPECT
12:00:15 COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO STUDY DOCUMENTS LESS THAN 24 HOURS
12:00:18 BEFORE A MEETING, ESPECIALLY ON LARGE SUBSTANTIVE
12:00:21 DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS.
12:00:23 AND I WOULD JUST ASK, OUR REQUIREMENT IS THAT DOCUMENTS BE
12:00:26 PUT IN I THINK THE FRIDAY BEFORE A MEETING, BUT THESE
12:00:29 DOCUMENTS, THE SUMMARIES, ANYWAY, WERE PUT IN YESTERDAY.
12:00:33 AND I WOULD ASK, DID WE MEET THE CRITERIA FOR NOTICE?
12:00:37 AND SECOND, ASK THE ADMINISTRATION, WHY DID YOU DO THAT?
12:00:40 AND HOW CAN WE STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE TO NOT
12:00:44 DISRESPECT THE PUBLIC?
12:00:44 THANK YOU.
12:00:46 >>MORRIS MASSEY: LEGALLY, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED AND YOU
12:00:50 CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING THE CONTRACTS IF YOU DESIRE
12:00:53 TODAY.
12:00:53 OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR MORE TIME FOR
12:00:55 CONSIDERATION, THAT'S WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION.
12:00:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE CHIEF BENNETT WILL GIVE US THE
12:01:01 EXPLANATION FOR THAT.
12:01:02 >>JOHN BENNETT: I'M HAPPY TO.
12:01:04 THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
12:01:05 THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:01:07 WE TRY AND BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
12:01:09 THE 38 NEGOTIATION MEETINGS WERE PUBLICLY NOTICED IN THE
12:01:12 CLERK'S OFFICE STARTING ON APRIL 26, ALL THE WAY TO THEY
12:01:16 SUBSIDED ON JUNE 30th.
12:01:19 AS SOON AS EVERYTHING WENT TO TENTATIVE AGREEMENT AND THEN
12:01:22 GOES TO RATIFICATION, WE RELEASE THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE
12:01:26 REQUESTED AS SOON AS THEY WERE DONE BY THOSE SPECIFIC
12:01:28 UNIONS.
12:01:29 THE ONE UNION THAT WAS LEFT TO FINISH THEIR VOTING CONCLUDED
12:01:32 AFTER HOURS, I THINK ALMOST 8:00 OR 9:00 AT NIGHT ON
12:01:36 TUESDAY.
12:01:37 AND THEN WE MADE REALLY AN ADDENDUM TO THE SIRE ITEMS THAT
12:01:41 WENT INTO THE WEEK EARLIER.
12:01:43 SO THREE OF THE FOUR AGREEMENTS WERE IN SIRE AHEAD OF ON
12:01:47 TIME, IF YOU WILL, AND IT WAS JUST THE FOURTH ONE WAITING ON
12:01:50 THE IAFF FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S VOTE THAT HAPPENED ON
12:01:54 TUESDAY NIGHT TO BRING ALL THE ENTIRE PACKAGE TOGETHER FOR
12:01:57 COUNCIL FOR TODAY.
12:01:58 >>BILL CARLSON: MY LAST QUESTION OR COMMENT IS THAT I WAS
12:02:01 NOT OFFERED AN INDIVIDUAL BRIEFING ON THIS.
12:02:03 THE ONLY WAY I EVEN KNEW THIS WAS COMING IS BECAUSE THE
12:02:06 UNIONS CONTACTED ME.
12:02:07 I JUST WONDER IF MY COLLEAGUES, WERE ANY OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY
12:02:10 BRIEFED ON THIS OTHER THAN A 30-SECOND BRIEFING IN YOUR
12:02:13 WEEKLY UPDATE?
12:02:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AS TIME WENT ON OVER TIME, I WAS.
12:02:21 >> NO.
12:02:22 >> NO.
12:02:23 >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS JUST SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
12:02:25 MONUMENTALLY IMPORTANT.
12:02:27 ADMINISTRATION HAD TIME TO SEND OUT PRESS RELEASES AND TALK
12:02:30 TO THE MEDIA ABOUT THIS BUT NOT HAVE THE RESPECT TO TALK TO
12:02:34 CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IT.
12:02:34 I READ THE DOCUMENTS.
12:02:35 THEY ARE VERY DETAILED TO HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR
12:02:40 UN-UNIFORMED OFFICERS AND HOW MUCH EXTRA WE PAY FOR
12:02:43 OVERTIME.
12:02:44 WHAT WE'LL PAY FOR HOLIDAYS.
12:02:46 BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THAT.
12:02:49 I READ IT ALL.
12:02:50 I ASSUME MY COLLEAGUES READ IT ALL, ALL THE HUNDREDS OF
12:02:52 PAGES.
12:02:53 BUT I WOULD ASK ON IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE THIS WHERE WE
12:02:57 SHOULD BE CELEBRATING, WHY AM I GETTING SO MANY CALLS FROM
12:03:00 THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY YESTERDAY, YESTERDAY INCLUDED
12:03:02 SUMMARIES OF THE OTHER DOCUMENTS, IT BECOMES A LAST-MINUTE,
12:03:05 LOOKS LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING.
12:03:07 WHY CAN'T WE GET IT OUT EARLIER AND NOTIFY THE PUBLIC AND
12:03:11 BRIEF CITY COUNCIL?
12:03:12 THE MAYOR HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE ABOUT CALLING FOR
12:03:16 TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE
12:03:19 OF IT.
12:03:19 THANK YOU.
12:03:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD, CHIEF.
12:03:21 >>JOHN BENNETT: NO, JUST BRIEFLY.
12:03:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'LL ADD MY TWO CENTS LATER.
12:03:25 >>JOHN BENNETT: OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING,
12:03:27 WE WERE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE BUDGET CYCLE.
12:03:29 WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE VOTES TO SETTLE BECAUSE IF FOR SOME
12:03:32 REASON THE CONTRACTS DON'T GET RATIFIED.
12:03:34 WE WERE SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE END OF THOSE VOTES AND THE
12:03:37 BUDGET, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO GO FORWARD NEXT THURSDAY.
12:03:40 WE WERE DOING OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD ALL THE
12:03:43 INFORMATION.
12:03:44 WE KNEW THE BRIEFINGS FOR COUNCIL WERE ALREADY SET UP FOR
12:03:46 THE WEEK.
12:03:47 I SPECIFICALLY GOT ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE CALLS EXCEPT FOR
12:03:50 ONE AND I ASKED THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TO STAND IN FOR
12:03:53 ME BECAUSE WE HAD THE AGENDA REVIEW AND WAS WILLING TO
12:03:56 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JOURNEY.
12:03:57 BUT WE WERE UNDER A COMPRESSED TIMELINE BASED ON THE
12:04:01 RATIFICATION OF THE VOTE.
12:04:03 IT'S NOT HIDING ANYTHING.
12:04:04 IT WAS JUST THE PROCESS IT TOOK US TO GET HERE.
12:04:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAY I ASK, ALL THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS VOTED
12:04:12 AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
12:04:12 >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT'S CORRECT.
12:04:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE LAST ONE TO VOTE WAS WHEN?
12:04:16 >>JOHN BENNETT: TUESDAY NIGHT AFTER HOURS WAS I THINK THE
12:04:19 LAST VOTE WE GOT CALLED FROM THE UNION, THE FIRE UNION.
12:04:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
12:04:24 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:04:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE THE CHIEF GETS INTO HIS SPIEL, I HAD
12:04:29 SEVERAL CALLS AND NOT FROM ME WITH THIS TERM, OUR
12:04:32 PROFESSIONAL EMPLOYEES.
12:04:34 AND THEY ARE ALL SAYING THAT THE UNIONS ARE GETTING THIS
12:04:38 MONEY BUT WHERE DO THEY FIT IN?
12:04:41 I'M CURIOUS WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON CITY HOUSING, THIS AND
12:04:45 THAT.
12:04:46 JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CLOSE FRIENDS THAT
12:04:49 WORK WITH US, CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY MAY BE HOMELESS AS WELL.
12:04:53 THOSE ARE CONCERNS.
12:04:54 CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS AND HOW DO THEY SALARY FIT INTO
12:04:58 THIS AND WHERE IT DOES NOT?
12:05:00 >>JOHN BENNETT: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
12:05:02 ACTUALLY, THIS WILL COME OUT IN THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU'D
12:05:04 LIKE.
12:05:05 OTHERWISE, I CAN ADDRESS IT RIGHT NOW.
12:05:06 ARE YOU READY TO GO TO THE PRESENTATION?
12:05:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO FOR IT?
12:05:10 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU.
12:05:11 CAN YOU BRING IT UP?
12:05:13 DENNIS, WOULD YOU HAND ME THE CLICKER?
12:05:15 SO THIS IS FOR COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF
12:05:19 THE JOURNEY.
12:05:20 THIS IS THE SECOND AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED UNDER
12:05:23 ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIONS WORKING TOGETHER.
12:05:25 I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTING OUR
12:05:29 EMPLOYEES TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'VE ACTUALLY SET A DAY ASIDE
12:05:33 TO RECOGNIZE THEIR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
12:05:35 SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
12:05:36 LET ME SEE IF THIS ACTUALLY MOVES.
12:05:40 CAN YOU CHANGE SCREENS FOR ME OR MOVE THE SLIDE?
12:05:46 SO AS DISCUSSED, THE FOUR CBAs, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
12:05:52 AGREEMENTS, WHICH CONSISTS OF THREE UNIONS, AMALGAMATED
12:05:55 TRANSIT UNION, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
12:05:58 FIREFIGHTERS, AND THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION.
12:06:02 HERE WE HAVE THE UNION PRESIDENTS TO HELP SPEAK TODAY AS
12:06:05 WELL AS OTHER STAFF.
12:06:06 OUR GOAL THAT WE SET WAS TRYING TO GET, AGAIN, FOR THE FIRST
12:06:11 TIME I'VE SEEN IN AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE ROUNDS OF THIS IN MY
12:06:15 CAREER TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING FINALIZED BY THE END OF JUNE
12:06:19 SO WE HAVE LEAD TIME GOING INTO THE BUDGET PREPARATIONS
12:06:21 KNOWING THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING BUDGETS
12:06:23 THAT THE CITY HAS EVER ENTERTAINED FOR THE PUBLIC WITH
12:06:28 EVERYTHING GOING ON.
12:06:29 THE CORE TEAMS, THE LEADERSHIP UNIONS WERE THERE, THE HUMAN
12:06:32 RESOURCES, REVENUE, FINANCE, A LOT OF CREDIT GOES TO OUR
12:06:34 BUDGET TEAM AND, OF COURSE, OUR HR EMPLOYEE RELATIONS TEAM.
12:06:39 THE MAYOR HAD ASKED THAT ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATORS SIT
12:06:44 THROUGH THESE AND BE PART OF THE JOURNEY TO MAKE SURE WE
12:06:47 UNDERSTOOD THE STRAINS ON THE EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS THE
12:06:49 INFLATIONARY ISSUES.
12:06:51 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
12:06:52 THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC TO HELP UNDERSTAND THAT WE PUT THE
12:06:59 EMPLOYEES ON THE TOP OF OUR DISCUSSION, BUT AT THE SAME
12:07:01 TIME, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE LEFT THE -- LET THE
12:07:05 EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THESE INFLATIONARY ITEMS
12:07:08 INCREASING IN OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE HAD TO BALANCE
12:07:12 THAT IN ADDITION TO MAKING SURE WE HAD A STRONG FUND
12:07:16 BALANCE.
12:07:17 CHIEF HARRIS IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
12:07:20 ON THE RIGHT OF THE SIDE, WHEN WE TALKED TO COUNCIL ABOUT
12:07:23 THEIR BUDGET NEEDS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE HEARD
12:07:26 PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH PREVENTION.
12:07:27 HOUSING, OF COURSE, THE CRISIS THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY.
12:07:30 ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO SIDEBAR FOR A SECOND AND SAY THIS IS
12:07:33 GREAT THAT STAFF AND THE EMPLOYEES GET TO SIT IN HERE AND
12:07:36 LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE ALL HANG ON EVERY WEEK
12:07:39 BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN CONTEXT OF WHAT
12:07:42 WE'RE DOING TODAY.
12:07:43 WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT MOBILITY, SIDEWALKS AND ROADS AND WE
12:07:46 KNOW THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION IS WORKING.
12:07:48 BUT THE OTHER THING I HEARD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AT LEAST IS
12:07:51 THAT SOME OF OUR CORE SERVICES AND LEVEL OF SERVICE WITHIN
12:07:54 THE FTEs NEEDS TO INCREASE BASED ON THE INCREASED DEMAND
12:07:58 ON THE CITY IN CERTAIN AREAS.
12:08:00 AND STAFF IS BRINGING ALL OF THOSE REQUESTS TO THE BUDGET
12:08:03 OFFICE, AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.
12:08:05 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
12:08:06 JUST A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
12:08:12 COUNCILMAN GUDES THIS KIND OF GOES TOWARDS YOUR QUESTION.
12:08:14 THE CITY HAS OVER 4800 EMPLOYEES.
12:08:16 44% OF THOSE ARE IN THE ATU.
12:08:20 16% ARE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
12:08:22 AND IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HOLDS 20%, WHICH GOES UP TO THE
12:08:26 RANK OF LIEUTENANT.
12:08:27 SO BASICALLY 80% OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE INSIDE
12:08:32 THOSE THREE UNIONS.
12:08:34 IN ADDITION, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER LAST NEGOTIATION, THERE WAS
12:08:38 A BREAK-OFF OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES TO GO INTO THE
12:08:42 HEALTH CARE TRUST.
12:08:43 SO 36% OF THEM HAVE THEIR HONE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
12:08:48 64% WE GUARD AGAINST INCREASES IN HEALTH CARE BASED ON THOSE
12:08:52 DEMOGRAPHICS.
12:08:53 AND WE MADE SURE THAT WE GUARDED THAT THROUGHOUT THE LAST
12:08:56 THREE YEARS.
12:08:57 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
12:08:58 THE ONE THING THAT IS NOT LOST ON US IS THAT OVER 5,000 OF
12:09:03 OUR EMPLOYEES ASSEMBLED IN THOSE FOUR AREAS HAVE GONE
12:09:06 THROUGH SOME SORT OF COVID CRISIS DURING THE LAST TWO YEARS
12:09:09 THAT WE'VE MEASURED.
12:09:11 AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY FOUND A
12:09:13 WAY TO GET THE JOB DONE, LEANED ON EACH OTHER WHEN OTHER
12:09:17 ONES WERE OUT OF THE OFFICE AND GET THE WORK ACCOMPLISHED.
12:09:21 AGAIN, WHERE THE UNION CEILING STOPS AT 80%, THOSE EMPLOYEES
12:09:26 ABOVE THAT ARE PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WILL COME TO
12:09:30 YOU FOR THOSE INCREASES.
12:09:32 BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO GUARD AGAINST WHAT'S CALLED
12:09:36 COMPRESSION BETWEEN THE UNION POSITIONS AND MANAGEMENT AND
12:09:38 OTHER LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.
12:09:40 SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE SCALED BASED ON THOSE POSITIONS
12:09:42 COMING FORWARD, AND THAT WILL BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE
12:09:45 BUDGET PROCESS NEXT WEEK.
12:09:46 NEXT SLIDE.
12:09:47 HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THE THREE MEMBERSHIPS, THE ATU, THE
12:09:52 IAFF AND THE PBA.
12:09:54 I JUST WANTED TO SHOW WHERE THE ATU POSITIONS LAND.
12:09:58 EARLIER, YOU HEARD COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TALK ABOUT THAT WE
12:10:01 HAVE AN ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH PAYS FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES IN
12:10:04 THE UTILITIES AND WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND THAT TENDS TO BE
12:10:07 MORE RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, CODE ENFORCEMENT, PARKS, AND
12:10:10 REC.
12:10:11 SO HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PERCENTAGES OF EMPLOYEES VARY
12:10:16 IN BETWEEN THOSE UNIONS.
12:10:17 OF COURSE, FIRE AND POLICE ARE DEDICATED THERE.
12:10:20 BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT THE BOTTOM OF THE ATU, ABOUT 1500 OF
12:10:24 THOSE 2,000 EMPLOYEES HAVE TO COME TO WORK, MEANING, THERE'S
12:10:28 NO TELEWORKING.
12:10:29 THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND WORK THE WATER LINES, THE SEWER
12:10:31 LINES.
12:10:31 THEY HAVE TO PICK UP SOLID WASTE.
12:10:33 SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DURING THAT -- THAT'S WHY I PUT
12:10:36 THE COVID SLIDE IN THERE TO SHOW THE IMPACT THAT HAPPENED ON
12:10:40 THESE EMPLOYEES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
12:10:42 THEY EITHER HAVE TO BE IN THE FIELD OR THEY HAVE TO BE IN A
12:10:44 FACILITY.
12:10:44 AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL ARE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
12:10:48 SO THERE'S SOME STATISTICS UP THERE.
12:10:49 I WON'T GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FIRE
12:10:54 DEPARTMENT IS HANDLING A CALL ABOUT EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
12:10:58 AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HANDLING A CALL ABOUT EVERY
12:11:00 MINUTE SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY.
12:11:01 SO WE HAVE A REALLY BUSY CITY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DEDICATED
12:11:05 EMPLOYEES THAT GET THE JOB DONE EVERY DAY.
12:11:07 NEXT SLIDE.
12:11:09 SO YOU'LL HEAR LATER, IF NEED BE, THE LAST 22 YEARS, THE
12:11:14 CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING ON PAR WITH INFLATION
12:11:17 FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
12:11:19 AND I HAVE HEARD THE SAME STORIES ABOUT SOME OF OUR
12:11:21 EMPLOYEES HAVING TO SLEEP IN THEIR CAR.
12:11:24 AS A MATTER OF FACT, JEAN DUNCAN AND I MET WITH SOME OF OUR
12:11:29 NONPROFIT PROVIDERS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO INSIDE THE CITY
12:11:33 TO HELP SUPPORT.
12:11:34 AS YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR HAS LED THE CHARGE ON INCREASING
12:11:36 MINIMUM WAGE THREE YEARS AGO TO $15 AN HOUR, NOT WAITING FOR
12:11:40 THE STATE TO GET IT, WHICH IS NOW STILL A COUPLE OF YEARS
12:11:43 AWAY.
12:11:44 THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE NOW MAKING UPWARD OF $20 AN HOUR, WHICH
12:11:48 IS GREAT.
12:11:49 WE SAW A DEPARTURE ON INFLATION ACTUALLY 18 MONTHS AGO.
12:11:52 SO THE LAST CONTRACT PROVIDED A 3, 3, AND 3 PERCENT TO
12:11:56 PUBLIC SAFETY.
12:11:57 AND THE MAYOR WANTED TO GIVE 3.5 PERCENT IN THE LAST ONE,
12:12:00 THE LAST YEAR TO THE ATU BECAUSE IT WAS AN OFFSET FOR A
12:12:04 NEGOTIATION PRIOR TO THAT.
12:12:05 SO THE ATU ACTUALLY GOT A 3.5 PERCENT INCREASE.
12:12:08 BUT EITHER ONE OF THOSE GROUPS, THERE WAS ALREADY AN
12:12:11 INFLATION DEPARTURE 18 MONTHS AGO BASED ON THEIR COST OF
12:12:15 LIVING ANALYSIS.
12:12:16 SO THIS YEAR, IT WAS DESIGNED TO CLOSE THE GAP IN YEAR ONE,
12:12:22 AND THEN COME UP WITH A WAY IN YEAR TWO AND THREE TO TRY AND
12:12:26 WORK AGAINST WHAT THE INFLATION PROJECTIONS LOOK LIKE TO THE
12:12:29 BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
12:12:31 THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.
12:12:32 LAST SLIDE.
12:12:33 THIS SLIDE SHOWS A COMPARISON ON THE LEFT TO THE COMPARISON
12:12:37 ON THE RIGHT.
12:12:37 IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE.
12:12:39 SO WHEN THE UNIONS COME IN, WE LISTEN, AND THAT'S PART OF
12:12:43 THOSE 38 MEETINGS THAT WE DID IN THE SUNSHINE IS TO LISTEN
12:12:46 TO THOSE 38, 39 HUNDRED EMPLOYEES THROUGH THEIR LEADERSHIP
12:12:52 MODEL TO ASK ABOUT THE BENEFITS, PAY, AND EQUIPMENT THAT
12:12:54 THEY NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE.
12:12:56 SO THOSE MEETINGS HAPPENED.
12:12:58 HR SET ALL THOSE UP.
12:13:00 TYPICALLY 90-MINUTE MEETINGS STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER TO
12:13:04 TRY AND GET TO THE JUNE 30th PLANNING CYCLE TO BRING IT
12:13:07 FORWARD TO COUNCIL AHEAD OF THE BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE WE
12:13:09 KNEW IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGING YEAR.
12:13:11 SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WAS THE REQUEST OVER
12:13:15 THE THREE-YEAR PERIOD.
12:13:16 WE HAD WORKED WITH THE UNION.
12:13:18 WE EXPLAINED THE CHALLENGES OF HOUSING, MOBILITY, FTE
12:13:22 INCREASES AND THE UNIONS WORKED WITH US.
12:13:25 THEY WORKED WITH THE MAYOR.
12:13:26 THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAD TO STRIKE A BALANCE ON THIS.
12:13:29 SO THERE WAS REALLY A DRAMATIC CORRECTION OR AN ADJUSTMENT
12:13:32 BETWEEN THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE.
12:13:35 AND I CAN TELL YOU, AS YOU WATER IT DOWN AND YOU LOOK AT IT,
12:13:38 WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT IN THE OTHER COST, NOT THE WAGES,
12:13:42 ABOUT $3 A DAY OVER THE PERIOD FOR THE ATU, LITTLE UNDER $9
12:13:46 A DAY FOR FIRE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT INSIDE THAT, THERE
12:13:50 IS A SECOND SET OF BUNKER GEAR TO HELP PROTECT THEM FROM
12:13:54 CERTAIN THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE FIRE SERVICE.
12:13:57 AND THEN LASTLY, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS UNDER $6 A DAY ACROSS
12:14:01 THE BOARD ON OTHER COSTED ITEMS OTHER THAN WAGES.
12:14:05 SO ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO ADOPT THESE
12:14:10 FOUR AGREEMENTS.
12:14:10 I WILL SAY WE'RE ALWAYS IN A CONTINUING LEARNING ABOUT
12:14:14 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC AWARENESS.
12:14:16 WE FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS THAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST FOUR
12:14:19 OR FIVE CONTRACTS.
12:14:21 I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE DYNAMICS OF THIS ONE ARE UNIQUE
12:14:25 BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION AND, OF COURSE, THE CRISES WE'RE
12:14:27 FACING.
12:14:27 BUT REALLY, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL WAS TO GET THIS SETTLED.
12:14:31 GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE THE BUDGET SO YOU CAN MAKE AN
12:14:34 INFORMED DECISION GOING INTO FISCAL YEARS '23, '24, AND '25.
12:14:40 I'LL REST THERE.
12:14:41 I DO THINK THE THREE UNION PRESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SAY
12:14:44 SOMETHING.
12:14:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN I HAVE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, COULD WE
12:14:49 ASK QUESTIONS FIRST, PLEASE?
12:14:51 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:14:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, CHIEF BENNETT.
12:14:55 WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.
12:14:56 IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CALL DARLA.
12:14:59 IF I HAVE ANY CONCERNS, STEVEN SIMON IS THE FIRST TO CALL ME
12:15:03 USUALLY.
12:15:03 IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ANDREW
12:15:06 CARTER, MY FRIEND OF 22 YEARS, IS ALWAYS RESPONSIVE.
12:15:11 WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INFLATION.
12:15:14 WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
12:15:17 WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GROCERIES BEING MORE EXPENSIVE.
12:15:21 THE RISING COST OF GAS.
12:15:23 WE WANT TO HELP EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHETHER THEY
12:15:26 WORK FOR THE CITY OR THEY DON'T WORK FOR, EVERYBODY.
12:15:29 WE'RE A BIG FAMILY.
12:15:30 THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT.
12:15:32 WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES AT THE ATU, WITH THE
12:15:35 FIREFIGHTERS, WITH THE POLICE UNION THAT WORK VERY, VERY
12:15:38 HARD, THAT ARE FACING, LIKE EVERYBODY IS, THE RISING COST OF
12:15:42 LIVING, AS I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED.
12:15:44 IT'S AFFECTING EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD.
12:15:46 OUR JOB, AS WE APPROVE AND LOOK AT AND ANALYZE AND PUT
12:15:50 TOGETHER THE CITY BUDGET, IS TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
12:15:53 WE WANT TO HIRE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST, WHICH I THINK WE
12:15:57 DO HAVE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
12:15:58 THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE PAID A GOOD WAGE TO HELP COMBAT
12:16:04 THE RISING COST OF EVERYTHING.
12:16:08 THOSE PEOPLE GIVE BLOOD, SWEAT, TEARS, SACRIFICE TO THE
12:16:11 CITY.
12:16:12 ATU SAYS WE KEEP THE CITY RUNNING.
12:16:15 2,123 ELIGIBLE MEMBERS, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.
12:16:19 THAT'S AN ARMY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE SERVING THE
12:16:21 COMMUNITY.
12:16:22 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY DESERVE
12:16:25 THIS.
12:16:26 EVERYBODY.
12:16:27 WE WANT TO -- AS WE SAY, RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS.
12:16:30 WE ARE TRYING TO OFFER FOLKS A BETTER LIFE FOR THE WORK AND
12:16:34 SACRIFICE THAT THEY MAKE HERE.
12:16:36 IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CALL.
12:16:39 I SPOKE PERSONALLY TO MR. SIMON.
12:16:41 I SPEAK TO MR. CARTER ALL THE TIME.
12:16:43 MR. PORTMAN, ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE, THEY ARE THERE.
12:16:46 I DON'T THINK THIS WAS MISHANDLED.
12:16:48 I THINK IT WAS PROPERLY DONE.
12:16:50 I THINK THESE INDIVIDUALS DO DESERVE THIS INCREASE BECAUSE,
12:16:53 AGAIN, THE COST OF LIVING IS AFFECTING EVERYBODY.
12:16:56 AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FAMILY THAT
12:16:59 WORK VERY, VERY HARD.
12:17:01 SO I'M READY TO SUPPORT THIS AFTER QUESTIONS AND WHATNOT.
12:17:03 BUT LET'S MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
12:17:05 THANK YOU.
12:17:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:17:08 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:17:09 I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.
12:17:10 THREE MONTHS AGO, AT MY OWN COMPANY, I GAVE AN ACROSS THE
12:17:15 BOARD INFLATION ADJUSTMENT ALSO ON TOP OF THE MERIT
12:17:18 INCREASES.
12:17:19 EVERYBODY IS ELIGIBLE FOR MERIT INCREASES.
12:17:22 WE TOOK THE RATE OF INFLATION AND GAVE EVERYBODY AN ACROSS
12:17:26 THE BOARD INCREASE.
12:17:28 IT COST MONEY TO DO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO IF YOU WANT TO
12:17:31 KEEP THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST PEOPLE.
12:17:33 THAT'S THE GOAL HERE.
12:17:34 WE WANT OUR BEST PEOPLE TO STAY.
12:17:35 I KNOW FROM TALKING TO EMPLOYMENT ATTORNEYS AND OTHERS IN
12:17:38 THE REGION THAT OTHER CITIES AROUND ARE RAISING THEIR RATES,
12:17:41 TOO.
12:17:42 WE JUST HIRED TWO REALLY GOOD PEOPLE FROM LAKELAND, AND THEY
12:17:46 ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE BACKFILLING WITH SOMEBODY RAISING
12:17:49 RATES TO MAKE SURE THEY GET SOMEBODY GREAT IN REPLACEMENT.
12:17:52 MY QUESTION, SO, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK FROM A
12:17:58 COMPETITIVENESS POINT OF VIEW, SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME BEFORE
12:18:01 US AND THEY CRITICIZE CERTAIN MEMBERS OF STAFF.
12:18:06 BUT IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE REALLY GOOD ONES WE HAVE TO MAKE
12:18:11 SURE WE STAY COMPETITIVE ON PRICING AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE
12:18:13 THE PROCESSES TO WEED OUT THE VERY FEW BAD ONES.
12:18:17 WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE COMPETITIVE PRICING.
12:18:19 SECOND THING, IT IS JUST A FAIR THING TO DO.
12:18:21 WE KNOW NOW INFLATION IS 9.1%.
12:18:24 YOU SAY 9.5 CATCHING UP WITH THE DIFFERENCE FROM LAST YEAR,
12:18:28 THAT'S COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE.
12:18:30 JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, IF YOU DON'T RAISE THE
12:18:32 RATES BY 9%, THAT MEANS THAT COST IS PASSED ON TO THE
12:18:38 EMPLOYEE.
12:18:39 THE EMPLOYEE IS SPENDING 9% MORE THAN THEY WERE A YEAR AGO
12:18:43 JUST BECAUSE PRICES HAVE GONE UP.
12:18:45 AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE AD VALOREM TAXES, OUR TAX
12:18:50 ROLLS ARE GOING UP AND WE NEED TO BE FAIR TO OUR PEOPLE.
12:18:52 I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES OVER THE YEARS WHERE OUR PEOPLE
12:18:55 HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET INCREASES.
12:18:57 I KNOW THE THREE UNION REPRESENTATIVES WOULD MAKE SOME
12:18:59 STATEMENTS.
12:19:00 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM, CHIEF BENNETT JUST PRESENTED
12:19:03 THAT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THAT THE CITY HAS KEPT UP WITH
12:19:06 INFLATION OVER THE YEARS.
12:19:08 BUT I TEND TO REMEMBER LIKE BACK DURING THE GREAT RECESSION
12:19:11 THAT THERE WERE SOME CUTS.
12:19:12 I WONDER THESE ARE NEGOTIATED AGREEMENTS, SO I'M NOT TRYING
12:19:16 TO UNDO ANYTHING.
12:19:19 IN LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, DOES THIS KEEP US COMPETITIVE OR
12:19:23 DO WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO AS WE GO BACK
12:19:26 THE NEXT TIME IN CATCHING UP FROM CUTS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE
12:19:29 IN THE PAST AND THEN ALSO CONSIDERING WHAT OUR COMPETITIVE
12:19:34 CITIES ARE DOING?
12:19:34 MAYBE THE CHIEF CAN ANSWER, BUT I WONDER -- I WANT THE
12:19:40 UNIONS TO SAY, YEAH, WE'LL KEEP OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST OR NO
12:19:44 STILL HAVE TO WORK ON IT.
12:19:45 >>JOHN BENNETT: YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
12:19:47 WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST.
12:19:50 EVERY WEDNESDAY I MEET WITH HR AND WE TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEE
12:19:54 SCENARIOS.
12:19:55 YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT
12:19:57 WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS HYBRID TELEWORKING TO BE
12:20:01 EFFICIENT AND KEEP UP WITH THE COMPETITION OUT THERE FOR
12:20:05 TELEWORKING IN THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE CAN.
12:20:07 WHICH IS WHY I WAS TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE 1500 THAT REALLY
12:20:10 HAVE TO BE IN THE FIELD OR IN A FACILITY.
12:20:12 BUT WE DID LOOK AT IT FROM WHERE WE ARE IN THE MARKET TODAY,
12:20:15 WHERE THE INFLATION IS GOING AND WHERE HISTORICALLY WE LOST
12:20:18 A LITTLE GROUND OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS.
12:20:20 AND THAT IS TO KEEP THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST HERE.
12:20:23 SO I THINK -- AND I WON'T SPEAK FOR THEM, THEY CAN ANSWER --
12:20:27 BUT ONE OF THE FIRST EXERCISES WE DID WAS TO LOOK BACKWARDS
12:20:30 OVER 20, 22 YEARS AND SEE HOW CLOSE WE WERE ON THE COST OF
12:20:34 LIVING COMPARED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW AND THEN LOOK AT THE
12:20:36 DELTA BETWEEN, OR THE GAP BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE IT
12:20:39 WAS GOING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IN THE LAST 20-SOMETHING
12:20:42 YEARS, CREDITED TO CHIEF ROGERO'S OFFICE, THERE'S ONLY BEEN
12:20:47 ONE SMALL DEFLATIONARY PERIODS.
12:20:49 THE DOLLAR NEVER REALLY RETREATS.
12:20:52 ONLY ON OCCASION THE DOLLAR WILL GO DOWN.
12:20:55 NOW, SOME OF THE COMMODITIES WILL LOWER BUT OVERALL
12:20:58 INFLATION MOVES IN ONE DIRECTION AND THEN IT HOLDS.
12:21:02 WE'RE TRYING TO GUARD AGAINST THAT.
12:21:04 THE UNION ALSO, I THINK THIS IS WORTH NOTING, WAS REALLY
12:21:08 INTERESTED IN GETTING A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT SO WE DIDN'T
12:21:10 COME BACK IN TWO AND THREE.
12:21:12 THAT'S WHY WE LOWERED IT BEYOND 50 PERCENT IN THE OUT YEARS
12:21:16 BUT LEFT ROOM TO COME BACK WITH COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE AND THE
12:21:18 PUBLIC'S GUIDANCE TO WORK THROUGH THAT IF INFLATION DOESN'T
12:21:21 TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
12:21:23 >>BILL CARLSON: THE QUICK QUESTION FOR THE UNION
12:21:25 REPRESENTATIVES, DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS DOES HELP
12:21:28 US CATCH UP AND THAT IT WILL MAKE US COMPETITIVE OVER THE
12:21:31 NEXT THREE YEARS?
12:21:33 >> YES.
12:21:34 STEVE SIMON.
12:21:35 PRESIDENT OF ATU LOCAL 1464.
12:21:38 YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXTREMELY HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO
12:21:41 THIS AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DOES ALSO GIVE US A
12:21:44 SENSE OF SECURITY IN MOVING FORWARD.
12:21:46 SO, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THE APPRECIATION, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL
12:21:49 THAT WE'VE DONE IN KEEPING THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING ALL
12:21:52 THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY ARE
12:21:56 APPRECIATIVE.
12:21:57 WE SEE THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEN AND THE APPRECIATION HAS BEEN
12:22:00 SHOWN FOR US.
12:22:01 SO WITH THAT SENSE OF SECURITY IT JUST MAKES US WANT TO STAY
12:22:06 AND CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE DO.
12:22:11 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR?
12:22:12 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M ASKING THE OTHER TWO.
12:22:15 >> DARLA PORTMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA PBA.
12:22:18 TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WAS ONE OF
12:22:21 THOSE OFFICERS THAT WERE AFFECTED IN 2009, MISSING MY STEP,
12:22:24 NOT GETTING A RAISE.
12:22:25 THE CITY HAS DONE SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER IN THE LAST FEW YEARS
12:22:28 IN THE LAST FEW CONTRACTS OF TRYING TO MAKE US WHOLE AGAIN.
12:22:32 I THINK THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
12:22:34 I THINK EVERY OTHER CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE AFTER THIS WILL
12:22:35 MAKE US BE ABLE TO RETAIN THE OFFICERS THAT ARE GOOD AND
12:22:38 EXPERIENCED AND ALSO GET THE ONES THAT WE REALLY WANT THE
12:22:40 BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST.
12:22:41 TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, I THINK WE'RE GOING IN THE
12:22:44 RIGHT DIRECTION.
12:22:45 >> ANDREW CARTER, PRESIDENT TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754.
12:22:49 I JUST PREPARED A VERY SMALL STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO READ TO
12:22:52 YOU.
12:22:52 FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WORKED
12:22:55 VERY HARD AND HELPED US REACH THIS AGREEMENT.
12:22:58 NEGOTIATION TEAM, FIRE ADMIN, HUMAN RESOURCES, THE MAYOR'S
12:23:01 OFFICE, CHIEF OF STAFF, BUDGET AND FINANCE, BENEFITS, AND
12:23:04 MANY MORE.
12:23:05 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY CAREER WE'VE HAD THESE NEGOTIATION
12:23:08 SESSIONS COMPLETED AHEAD OF THE EXPIRATION OF OUR CURRENT
12:23:11 AGREEMENT.
12:23:11 THAT OFFERS A LOT OF SECURITY FOR BOTH THE EMPLOYEE AND THE
12:23:13 CITY BECAUSE A PORTION OF THAT BUDGET HAS ALREADY BEEN
12:23:16 COMPLETED AND FINALIZED.
12:23:18 IN PAST ADMINISTRATIONS, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE NOVEMBER TO
12:23:22 JANUARY.
12:23:22 SO AFTER THE BUDGET HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED WE MIGHT BE
12:23:25 COMING BACK FOR BUDGET AMENDMENTS OR REVISIONS.
12:23:27 THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THIS CONTRACT.
12:23:29 OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT THAT
12:23:31 REALLY SHOWS US EMPLOYEES JUST HOW VALUED WE ARE IN THIS
12:23:35 CITY.
12:23:36 THIS THREE-YEAR CONTRACT WILL HELP SOLIDIFY FINANCIAL
12:23:39 CONCERNS OF THE WORKFORCE DURING THESE UNPRECEDENTED TIMES.
12:23:42 THIS AGREEMENT WILL ALLOW US TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN THE BEST
12:23:46 EMPLOYEES IN THE STATE.
12:23:47 HELP US TO CONTINUE TO RESPOND FOR EVERY CALL FOR SERVICE.
12:23:50 JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY BEEN FIELDING PHONE CALLS
12:23:53 FROM ORLANDO, HERNANDO, SARASOTA, AND MORE ASKING WHEN WE'RE
12:23:56 HIRING.
12:23:56 AND I'M HAPPY TO TELL THEM THAT APPLICATIONS ARE OPEN UNTIL
12:24:01 THE END OF AUGUST.
12:24:02 THANK YOU AGAIN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
12:24:05 CONSIDERATION.
12:24:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN GUDES,
12:24:07 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU TALKED ABOUT COMPETITIVE, THERE ARE
12:24:12 OTHER FIREFIGHTERS, PINELLAS, POLK, PASCO, THAT WANT TO COME
12:24:16 TO TAMPA.
12:24:17 THERE ARE OTHER POLICE OFFICERS, PINELLAS, POLK, PASCO, THAT
12:24:22 WANT TO COME TO TAMPA TO WORK.
12:24:23 THERE ARE OTHER ATU PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME FROM AROUND THE
12:24:27 AREA THAT WANT TO COME HERE.
12:24:28 WE ARE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE AS FAR AS EMPLOYMENT IN OUR CITY.
12:24:32 WITH THAT SAID, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:24:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOT TOO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THE UNIONS
12:24:37 BECAUSE I KNOW HOW THEY OPERATE.
12:24:39 MY CONCERN, BECAUSE I RECEIVE CALLS IS ABOUT THIS
12:24:41 PROFESSIONAL SETTING.
12:24:42 THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT.
12:24:43 ARE THEY GETTING RAISES?
12:24:44 HOW DOES THAT WORK?
12:24:46 I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY THE UNIONS GOT ALL THE
12:24:48 MONEY AND YET WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING.
12:24:50 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A BALANCE OF HOW THEY WORK
12:24:53 AND WHAT IS THAT IN THOSE CATEGORIES?
12:24:55 THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
12:24:57 >>JOHN BENNETT: SURE.
12:24:58 I'LL JUST SAY IN A GLOBAL SENSE THAT THE BUDGET BEING
12:25:01 PRESENTED NEXT WEEK AND THAT TIER OF EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE THE
12:25:04 UNION, WHICH REALLY MEASURE UP TO ABOUT A THOUSAND, WILL
12:25:07 HAVE THEIR RAISES BROUGHT IN THROUGH THAT BUDGET PROCESS
12:25:10 BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE UNION.
12:25:12 I'LL LET CHIEF ROGERO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT GETS STRATIFIED
12:25:16 AMONG THOSE DIFFERENT POSITIONS.
12:25:19 >>DENNIS ROGERO: DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
12:25:23 I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THOSE
12:25:26 PROFESSIONALS.
12:25:27 BUT WE LIKE TO THINK THEY ARE WORKING JUST AS HARD IN
12:25:30 KEEPING THIS CITY RUNNING, CONTRIBUTING TO THE VALUE.
12:25:32 BUT AS THE CHIEF SAID, WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTS HER BUDGET
12:25:36 NEXT WEEK, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS ACTION TODAY, AS YOU
12:25:40 HEARD THE FIRE UNION PRESIDENT SAY, WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT.
12:25:45 THAT SECTION WILL BE BEFORE COUNCIL TO RE-REVIEW BUT WE'LL
12:25:49 PRETTY MUCH HAVE THAT WRAPPED UP.
12:25:52 AS PART OF OUR PRESENTATION THURSDAY, WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU
12:25:54 THE VARIOUS PAY RAISES FOR THE NON-BARGAINING UNIT
12:25:58 EMPLOYEES.
12:25:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES I'M
12:26:01 UNDERSTANDING.
12:26:01 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, PROFESSIONALS, SUPERVISORS AND
12:26:05 MANAGERS.
12:26:05 ACTUALLY, THERE ARE FOUR, AND THE UNCLASSIFIEDS.
12:26:08 AND WE'LL SHARE THAT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
12:26:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:26:12 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
12:26:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU WANT ANYTHING?
12:26:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, NO, I JUST LISTENING AND LEARN EVERY
12:26:19 DAY.
12:26:19 AND SOMETIMES I AMUSE MYSELF BY LEARNING TOO MUCH.
12:26:23 WHAT I HEAR IS SOMETHING THAT -- REALLY WHAT THE CONTRACT AT
12:26:30 THE END OF THE DAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IS REALLY RECTIFYING
12:26:35 WHAT HAPPENED IN THE COST OF LIVING DURING THE TERM OF THE
12:26:37 LAST CONTRACT THAT YOU BRING UP TO, IN ESSENCE WHAT THE LAST
12:26:42 CONTRACT WAS WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS IN
12:26:44 THE OLD CONTRACT CHANGED BY NINE POINT SOME PERCENT.
12:26:47 I APPRECIATE.
12:26:49 THANK ALL OF YOU, ALL THREE OF YOU.
12:26:51 THANK ALL THE UNION MEMBERS AND NONUNION MEMBERS FOR
12:26:53 UNDERSTANDING WHAT ALL THIS IS ABOUT.
12:26:55 IT'S ABOUT KEEPING THE CITY CLEAN.
12:26:58 AND YET WHEN I SAY THAT, NOT ANYBODY IS RATTLING -- YOU
12:27:06 DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND STILL SEE PEOPLE MOWING THE GRASS,
12:27:10 PUTTING INSIDE THE SEWERS, AND WE HAVE TO STOP THOSE PEOPLE
12:27:14 FROM DOING THAT IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
12:27:16 I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT OR ANY WAY SAYING SOMETHING
12:27:20 DEROGATORY.
12:27:21 I'M TRYING TO SAY THE FACTS.
12:27:23 WE SEE THAT.
12:27:23 THE CITIZENS SEE THAT.
12:27:24 AND EVERYTHING SOMEBODY SEES LIKE A LITTLE BABY.
12:27:27 EVERYBODY DUPLICATES IT.
12:27:29 YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE LITTLE THINGS IS WHAT MAKES
12:27:32 A CITY BIG.
12:27:35 THEY START SMALL BUT THEY GET LARGE.
12:27:38 AND APPRECIATE MR. CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION,
12:27:45 MR. ROGERO AND ALL OF YOU FOR WORKING TOGETHER FOR A LONG
12:27:49 PERIOD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS PROTECTED, THAT
12:27:52 THE CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED TO THE BEST OF THE ABILITY OF ALL
12:27:54 THE EMPLOYEES.
12:27:55 AND, BY THE WAY, I THINK 4800 EMPLOYEES, LIKE YOU SAID, IS
12:28:00 ABOUT THE SAME STAFFING AMOUNT THAT WE HAD BACK IN 2008, IF
12:28:05 I RECALL.
12:28:06 BACK TO SPEED NOW AND THINGS SHOULD GET BETTER AND QUICKER
12:28:12 SERVICE.
12:28:13 EVERY TIME YOU SAY QUICKER SERVICE, CALLS EVERY FIVE
12:28:16 MINUTES, EVERY MINUTE, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT THE JOBS YOU
12:28:20 DO 24/7/365 AND WE ALL APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
12:28:25 THANK YOU.
12:28:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:28:30 >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE
12:28:33 UNION, TO ALL FOUR UNIONS AS A FORMER UNION MEMBER MYSELF
12:28:38 AND A REP FOR THE SCHOOL WHEN I WAS A TEACHER, WE WERE
12:28:43 INCREDIBLY BLESSED BECAUSE THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS IN
12:28:47 ALACHUA COUNTY WHEN I WAS A TEACHER WAS A FORMER UNION
12:28:50 PRESIDENT OF THE TEACHERS UNION.
12:28:52 WE HAD THIS MAGICAL RELATIONSHIP, ESPECIALLY FOR FLORIDA.
12:28:57 IT WAS VERY UNUSUAL.
12:28:58 AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL HAVE WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION A
12:29:04 SIMILAR RELATIONSHIP.
12:29:09 THEY ARE RESPECTING.
12:29:09 WHAT UNION MEMBERS AND WHAT ALL WORKS BRING TO THE TABLE BUT
12:29:13 I'M PARTICULARLY PROUD, ALWAYS PROUD TO BE A FORMER UNION
12:29:17 MEMBER, BUT I'M PARTICULARLY PROUD OF ALL THREE UNIONS AND
12:29:22 HOW WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR PAY STAYING UP WITH INFLATION,
12:29:28 STAYING UP WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE DO KEEP OUR PEOPLE.
12:29:31 THAT IS ONE OF THE BEST PARTS OF ANY TYPE OF CITY OR
12:29:35 GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT IS THAT OFTENTIMES WE'RE TOLD, YOU
12:29:40 KNOW, YOU DON'T MAKE THE MOST MONEY BUT YOU HAVE GREAT
12:29:45 RETIREMENT.
12:29:46 YOU HAVE GREAT BENEFITS.
12:29:48 BUT IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT OKAY
12:29:51 SALARIES, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPETITIVE SALARIES THAT
12:29:54 KEEP PEOPLE HERE THAT KEEP THE BEST PEOPLE HERE, THAT BRING
12:29:57 IN MORE GOOD PEOPLE.
12:30:00 AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS CITY NEEDS.
12:30:02 SO I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS FOR SUCH A PHENOMENAL
12:30:06 CONTRACT.
12:30:07 I FEEL LIKE THE CITY GETS ITS MONIES' WORTH.
12:30:10 I'M REALLY HAPPY THIS CONTRACT IS DONE BEFORE THE BUDGET SO
12:30:13 WE HAVE THAT PIECE SETTLED.
12:30:15 THANK YOU TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.
12:30:17 I'M INCREDIBLY HAPPY FOR THE UNIONS ESPECIALLY.
12:30:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:30:23 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:30:24 YES, SIR.
12:30:25 CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME?
12:30:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:30:26 >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT.
12:30:28 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:30:28 NO, JUST CONGRATULATIONS TO ATU, PBA, 754 FOR THIS AND
12:30:37 WHATNOT.
12:30:37 I'M PROUD TO SUPPORT THIS.
12:30:39 THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO EVERY SINGLE DAY ON THE JOB IS
12:30:43 SOMETHING WE ALL APPRECIATE AND IT ALL GOES TO MANY
12:30:46 DIFFERENT PARTS OF KEEPING OUR CITY RUNNING, KEEPING US
12:30:49 CLEAN, KEEPING US SAFE, KEEPING US ORDERLY, ET CETERA.
12:30:52 I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF BENNETT JUST OUT OF INTEREST.
12:30:56 WHAT IS THE STARTING SALARY OF A TAMPA POLICE OFFICER?
12:30:58 IF YOU KNOW.
12:31:03 ANYBODY.
12:31:05 >>JOHN BENNETT: IT'S RIGHT IN THE RANGE OF $60,000 A YEAR.
12:31:08 WE DID A QUICK MARKET REVIEW OF THE STARTING SALARIES OF ALL
12:31:14 THE POSITIONS THAT WE COULD LOCATE AS A JUMPING-OFF POINT
12:31:18 AGAINST INFLATION.
12:31:19 IT WAS RIGHT -- I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, THOUGH.
12:31:24 >>LUIS VIERA: ONE THING THAT YOU ALL SAID CORRECTLY IN YOUR
12:31:27 PRESENTATION, IT'S OPEN AND OBVIOUS, WITH INFLATION BEING
12:31:30 WHAT IT IS IN TERMS OF PURCHASING POWER, WE'RE KEEPING UP
12:31:34 WITH INFLATION HERE.
12:31:36 BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF E-MAILS, ESPECIALLY DIRECTED TO
12:31:39 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, ON SAYING THERE WAS AN 18% PAY
12:31:44 INCREASE.
12:31:45 NUMBER ONE, THAT'S OVER THREE YEARS.
12:31:46 NUMBER TWO, KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION.
12:31:49 I COME FROM THE MINDSET OF WHEN IT COMES TO OUR POLICE
12:31:52 OFFICERS, I WANT TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST AND I
12:31:55 WANT TO PAY THEM WELL, NOT JUST TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND
12:31:58 BRIGHTEST BUT AS A THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THEY DO ON THE JOB
12:32:01 EVERY SINGLE DAY, PUTTING THEMSELVES IN DANGER, ET CETERA,
12:32:04 ET CETERA.
12:32:05 AND JUST A SENTIMENT I WANTED TO EXPRESS IN THAT REGARD IN
12:32:12 MY COVID FOGGY HAZE.
12:32:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:32:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:32:17 CHIEF BENNETT, ANYTHING ELSE?
12:32:20 >>JOHN BENNETT: I JUST WANT TO CONCLUDE WITH TWO COMMENTS
12:32:22 AND I THINK THEY SUPPORT COUNCILMAN GUDES' COMMENTS EARLIER.
12:32:26 ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WHEN WE WERE UP FOR ONE OF THE RAISE
12:32:31 OPPORTUNITIES IN OCTOBER AFTER THE BUDGET PASSED, SENIOR
12:32:33 STAFF ELECTED NOT TO TAKE A RAISE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE
12:32:36 THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING WITH COVID, AND WE STOOD BACK.
12:32:40 AND THEN WHEN WE GOT THE INFUSION OF THE FEDERAL DOLLARS, WE
12:32:44 WAITED UNTIL ALL OF THAT SETTLED AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT
12:32:47 THAT MONEY TOWARD HOUSING AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE
12:32:49 COMMUNITY-FACING.
12:32:50 AND THAT JUST SHOWS YOU THAT THIS LEADERSHIP TEAM IN THE
12:32:54 CITY IS GOING TO PUT THE FRONT LINES FIRST BEFORE WE EVEN
12:32:57 CONSIDER OURSELVES.
12:32:58 I THINK THAT'S A TESTAMENT.
12:33:00 THE OTHER THING IS, THE UNION STEPPED UP UNDER THE COVID
12:33:05 CRISIS, AND THEY WERE WILLING TO DO THINGS TO MAKE SURE THEY
12:33:08 STAYED SAFE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY WHILE OTHER JURISDICTIONS
12:33:11 WERE PAYING PEOPLE TO DO THAT, OUR UNIONS DIDN'T TAKE A CENT
12:33:15 TO DO THE RIGHT THING UNDER THE COVID CONDITIONS TO KEEP
12:33:18 WORKING FORWARD.
12:33:19 THAT ALSO LEFT THAT MONEY IN THE POT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS
12:33:23 OPPOSED TO TAKING IT AS INDIVIDUALS.
12:33:24 SO MY HAT'S OFF TO THOSE 3800 EMPLOYEES THAT WORKED WITH US,
12:33:29 OPENED THE CONTRACT, AND ALLOWED AN AMENDMENT TO KEEP COVID
12:33:33 OUT OF THE CITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE CITY
12:33:37 RUNNING.
12:33:37 SO THANK YOU.
12:33:38 THAT'S ALL.
12:33:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: UNIONS, ARE YOUR MEMBERS HAPPY WITH THIS
12:33:46 AGREEMENT?
12:33:47 >> ABSOLUTELY.
12:33:47 >> YES.
12:33:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SEEING THAT.
12:33:50 EVEN OUR CLERK IS SAYING YES.
12:33:53 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:33:53 BECAUSE THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA WANT AND NEED THE BASICS.
12:34:01 THEY WANT THEIR TRASH PICKED UP.
12:34:04 THEY WANT THEIR WASTE, SOLID AND LIQUID, TAKEN AWAY.
12:34:08 THEY WANT TO FEEL SAFE WITH FIRE AND POLICE.
12:34:10 YOU KEEP THE EMPLOYEES HAPPY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HAPPY
12:34:13 CITY.
12:34:14 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU PREFER TO MOVE THESE DURING
12:34:17 CONSENT?
12:34:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.
12:34:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: 48, 49, 50.
12:34:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF YOU ALLOW ME TO DO THAT --
12:34:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WELL, LET'S WAIT TO CONSENT WHEN WE COME
12:34:27 BACK.
12:34:27 ALL RIGHT WITH YOU?
12:34:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FINE WITH ME, SIR.
12:34:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FANTASTIC.
12:34:31 THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH.
12:34:32 WE ARE IN --
12:34:36 >> THE IAF IS NOT ON CONSENT.
12:34:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THAT ONE, PLEASE,
12:34:44 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
12:34:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHICH ONE IS THAT ONE?
12:34:49 >>MORRIS MASSEY: WALK-ON ITEM.
12:34:53 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I COULD SUGGEST ALL FOUR ARE MOVED WHILE
12:34:56 THE PRESIDENTS ARE HERE.
12:34:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN I LEGALLY MOVE ALL FOUR AT ONCE?
12:34:59 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHICH ARE FIGHTERS --
12:35:04 >>MORRIS MASSEY: YOU CAN MOVE THE THREE ITEMS.
12:35:05 THERE IS ONE -- I THINK THE FIREFIGHTERS IS A WALK-ON ITEM.
12:35:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE THE FIREFIGHTERS ITEM WAS WALK
12:35:14 ON.
12:35:15 I MOVE THE THREE ITEMS, WHICH ARE FILE NUMBER E2022-48 --
12:35:22 NO, EXCUSE ME.
12:35:24 THAT'S THE HIMES AND COLUMBUS DRIVE NAMING FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
12:35:31 48, 49, AND 50.
12:35:35 22-76146, 76148, 76145.
12:35:47 >> THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME FILE NUMBER.
12:35:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S VERY COMPLICATED WHEN YOU LOOK AT
12:35:55 THESE THINGS.
12:35:56 THE WALK-ON WAS I BELIEVE E2022-48.
12:36:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THERE WE GO.
12:36:04 MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:36:06 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:36:08 ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:36:16 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:36:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:36:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:36:21 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:36:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:36:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:36:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:36:26 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:36:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CONGRATULATIONS.
12:36:28 [ APPLAUSE ]
12:36:28 WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 2:00.
12:36:37 RECESSED UNTIL 2:00.
12:36:39 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
02:01:03 >>THE CLERK: HURTAK?
02:01:04 >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
02:01:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
02:01:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
02:01:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:01:09 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
02:01:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:01:11 I BELIEVE OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS STILL A WALK-ON, ANDERSON.
02:01:23 >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
02:01:24 ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND
02:01:27 GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
02:01:28 IN PLACE OF MS. HENDERSON THIS AFTERNOON, THIS IS A WALK-ON.
02:01:34 WE HAVE RECEIVED $6.3 MILLION IN HOME ARP, WHICH IS PART OF
02:01:39 THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.
02:01:41 AND THIS MONEY IS COMING IN AND IS GOING TO PROVIDE HOMELESS
02:01:45 ASSISTANCE AND SUPPORT SERVICES.
02:01:50 I BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS AN ERROR IN HOW THIS
02:01:52 DOCUMENT WAS FILED IN SIRE.
02:01:56 AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU THAT NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT,
02:01:59 AUGUST 4th, BUT IT WAS PUT INTO SIRE ON THE AUGUST 4th.
02:02:04 SO THE RESO FOR YOU TODAY IS TO SET THAT HEARING FOR NEXT
02:02:09 THURSDAY NIGHT AT 5:01 P.M.
02:02:10 IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED AND NOTICED.
02:02:14 IT WAS JUST PLACED IN THE WRONG SIRE MEETING.
02:02:17 I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CORRECT THAT AND
02:02:21 WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT TO TALK ABOUT
02:02:24 THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE FEDERAL
02:02:27 GOVERNMENT.
02:02:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT WAS FILE NUMBER E-2022-48, CORRECT?
02:02:33 >>ABBYE FEELEY: CORRECT.
02:02:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:02:37 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:02:38 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:02:41 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:02:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:02:43 MS. OCEA WYNN.
02:02:55 >>OCEA WYNN: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
02:02:57 OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
02:02:59 AFFAIRS.
02:03:00 I, TOO, HAVE A WALK-ON ITEM.
02:03:02 I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE SINCE THE
02:03:07 ACQUISITION OF THE PENNY SAVER.
02:03:09 I WANTED TO PROACTIVELY COME TO KEEP YOU ABREAST ON WHERE WE
02:03:14 ARE IN THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING.
02:03:16 SO AFTER THE ACQUISITION, THE PURCHASE OF THE PENNY SAVER,
02:03:21 WHICH I'M SURE ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON
02:03:25 THE CLOSURE OF CARACAS.
02:03:30 WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THAT WAS A CONCERN
02:03:32 REGARDING THE SAFETY ISSUE WITH CARS SPEEDING DOWN CARACAS.
02:03:37 SO THE SECOND HEARING FOR THAT WILL BE AUGUST 4.
02:03:41 DURING THAT TIME, AS WE WERE ACQUIRING THE PENNY SAVER, WE
02:03:46 WERE ALSO WORKING ON THE RFQ FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE FOR THE
02:03:53 ACTUAL COMPLEX.
02:03:57 WE HAVE SELECTED ONE FIRM.
02:03:59 WE STARTED WITH SIX.
02:04:02 THE SELECTION COMMITTEE ENDED UP WITH THREE WITH ONE FIRM
02:04:05 THAT WAS FINALLY CHOSEN FOR THAT SELECTION PROCESS.
02:04:12 WITH THIS FIRM, WE'RE IN THE NEGOTIATION PHASES OF THE FIRM,
02:04:23 AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A PREDESIGN IN ENGINEERING
02:04:28 WORK TO INCLUDE MORE THAN 75% THAT WILL GO TO WMBEs, WITH
02:04:36 THE MAJORITY OF THAT GOING TO BBEs.
02:04:41 THIS IS HUGE FOR US BECAUSE TYPICALLY IN THE ENGINEERING AND
02:04:43 DESIGN, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH PARTICIPATION.
02:04:47 WE SEE IT IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASES, BUT IN THIS PART OF
02:04:51 THE PROJECT, IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ENGINEERING AND
02:04:55 DESIGN WE DO HAVE -- RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 60, 65
02:05:00 PERCENT PARTICIPATION IN THAT AREA.
02:05:02 DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:05:04 I SEE YOU HAVE A COMPLEX --
02:05:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN WE ELABORATE OR CAN WE ACKNOWLEDGE WHO
02:05:09 THE FIRM IS?
02:05:10 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, WE CAN.
02:05:11 THE FIRM THAT WE ARE HAVING THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH IS
02:05:18 SKANSKA.
02:05:19 AND SKANSKA, THEY ARE -- THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS ARE HARRY
02:05:23 HOWARD ARCHITECTURAL FIRM AS WELL AS KIM JACKSON PR FIRM WHO
02:05:30 WILL BE DOING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE OF THIS
02:05:35 PROJECT.
02:05:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE PEOPLE
02:05:40 WILL ASK ME THIS QUESTION.
02:05:42 YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY SIX FIRMS THAT APPLIED FOR
02:05:46 THE JOB.
02:05:47 HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN?
02:05:49 >>OCEA WYNN: NONE OF THE FIRMS THAT APPLIED THAT WERE OUT OF
02:05:52 THE SIX WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN FIRMS.
02:05:55 NONE OF THEM CAME THROUGH AS CERTIFIED FIRMS TO PARTICIPATE
02:06:00 IN THE PROCESS.
02:06:02 HOWEVER, THE COMPANIES WHO, THE CONSULTANTS OF THE
02:06:07 COMPANIES, BUSINESSES WHO BIDDED ON THE CONTRACTS, THEY CAME
02:06:12 WITH PARTNERS, THE EBO PARTNERS, BUT NONE OF THOSE THAT CAME
02:06:17 TO BID ON THE CONTRACT WERE ACTUALLY EBO FIRMS IN AND OF
02:06:23 THEMSELVES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
02:06:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HEARD OF TWO OF THE NAMES.
02:06:28 TWO OF THE NAMES -- THAT ARE MINORITY FIRMS ARE PRETTY BIG
02:06:32 FIRMS.
02:06:32 I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THAT HAPPENED.
02:06:36 I KNOW TWO OF THE FIRMS VERY WELL.
02:06:39 BUT OKAY.
02:06:40 ALL RIGHT.
02:06:40 WHOEVER GOT SELECTED, GOT SELECTED.
02:06:42 >>OCEA WYNN: WE WILL HAVE A WORKFORCE AND APPRENTICESHIP
02:06:49 COMPLIANCE PROGRAM.
02:06:50 WE'VE TAKEN THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM SOME OF THE OTHER
02:06:54 PROJECTS AND BETTERED THEM HERE AHEAD OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
02:06:59 BUT WE'RE IN THE NEGOTIATIONS IN TERMS OF THAT PIECE AS WE
02:07:03 MOVE FORWARD.
02:07:04 WE'RE EXCITED.
02:07:08 I'M QUITE SURE EVERYONE IS EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT TAKE
02:07:11 PLACE.
02:07:12 AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I GOT OF THIS
02:07:18 BEFORE YOU SO YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS
02:07:21 ARE.
02:07:21 OUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE,
02:07:26 ANOTHER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE TO GET INPUT IN TERMS OF
02:07:30 WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
02:07:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW LONG ARE THEY SAYING FOR COMMUNITY
02:07:37 ENGAGEMENT?
02:07:37 HOW LONG DID THE FIRM SAYING IT WILL TAKE FOR THEIR
02:07:41 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT?
02:07:42 >>OCEA WYNN: THE FIRM IS NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT
02:07:45 GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF NEGOTIATIONS YET.
02:07:48 HOWEVER, WE DO KNOW IT WON'T BE LIKE A YEAR OF COMMUNITY
02:07:53 ENGAGEMENT.
02:07:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S GOOD.
02:07:55 ADDED POINT, I KNOW WHEN WE START THAT, A LOT OF THE KIDS
02:07:59 WALK OR THE STAFF WALK THE KIDS FROM THREE DIFFERENT
02:08:03 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THERE.
02:08:04 SO SOMEHOW IF WE BRING THAT NEW DESIGN ON THE FRONTAGE OF
02:08:08 34th STREET CLOSER, WE NEED TO HAVE A CROSSWALK, SOMEWHERE
02:08:11 IN THAT MIDPOINT SO WE CAN CROSS THE KIDS WITH LIGHTS
02:08:14 BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AND SPEEDING.
02:08:16 A LOT OF ISSUES DOWN THE STREET ALWAYS CALLING AND
02:08:21 COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SPEEDING.
02:08:22 MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CROSSWALK IN FRONT OF THAT PROJECT.
02:08:24 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
02:08:26 ALL OF THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, INCLUDING
02:08:29 BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT HAVING A SENIOR CENTER, HOW DO WE
02:08:34 MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THE SENIORS WHO ARE NOT IN THE AREA
02:08:37 TO GET THERE.
02:08:38 WHAT PARTNERSHIPS DO WE NEED WITH HART OR SOME OF THE OTHER
02:08:43 AGENCIES TO MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT?
02:08:46 WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FORWARDLY AND HOLISTICALLY INSTEAD OF
02:08:50 ONE POINT IN TIME.
02:08:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: POSSIBLY LOOKING AT MAYBE A BUS RAMP FOR
02:08:56 HARTLINE, SOMEBODY.
02:08:57 AGAIN, THIS PARK IS NOT JUST FOR THAT AREA.
02:09:00 IT'S FOR ALL THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH THE AMENITIES WE'RE
02:09:03 TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THERE.
02:09:04 THOSE MAY CATCH THE BUS OR HART PLUS CAN DROP THEM OFF AND
02:09:08 HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO DROP THE SENIORS OFF.
02:09:11 >>OCEA WYNN: I KEEP SAYING NEXT STEPS, BUT OUR NEXT
02:09:15 IMMEDIATE STEPS ARE DEMOING THE PENNY SAVER.
02:09:20 THE BUILDING HAS BEEN SECURED WITH A FENCE.
02:09:24 WE'RE LOOKING AT CUTTING THE POWER, NOT EVERYTHING THAT'S
02:09:28 NEEDED FOR THAT AND REALISTICALLY I THINK WITHIN THE NEXT
02:09:31 TWO OR THREE WEEKS WE'LL START WITH THE DEMO.
02:09:35 WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS A PUBLIC EVENT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE
02:09:39 DOING IN THIS AREA IS, IN FACT, HISTORICAL.
02:09:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE COMMUNITY IS EXCITED RIGHT NOW.
02:09:45 VERY EXCITED RIGHT NOW.
02:09:46 >>OCEA WYNN: YES.
02:09:47 ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
02:09:48 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
02:09:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:09:53 >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE
02:09:56 APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.
02:09:58 I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IN OUR NEXT UPDATE HOW THAT'S
02:10:01 GOING BEFORE THE CONTRACT IS DONE.
02:10:04 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, MA'AM.
02:10:05 ABSOLUTELY.
02:10:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:10:08 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT WAS THE CRA MEETING, PLEASE KEEP
02:10:15 IN MIND WHEN GOING TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE CRA INITIATED THIS
02:10:19 EFFORT, AND THE CRA PUT IN MONEY.
02:10:22 WE'RE NOT SITTING AS CRA RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO CITY COUNCIL
02:10:26 ADVOCATED FOR IT.
02:10:27 I WOULD APPRECIATE IF, FIRST OF ALL, IF THE CRA WAS
02:10:30 RECOGNIZED, NOT INDIVIDUALS, BUT JUST THE ORGANIZATION SO
02:10:33 THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THE CRA CONTRIBUTED TO IT.
02:10:36 AND ALSO THAT CITY COUNCIL AT LEAST AS A WHOLE BE INCLUDED
02:10:41 SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON
02:10:44 THAT.
02:10:45 THANK YOU.
02:10:45 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
02:10:46 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I GUESS IN MY HASTE TO SIT DOWN, I DID
02:10:49 NOT PUBLICLY NOTE THAT, IN FACT, IT WAS THE CONTRIBUTIONS
02:10:54 FROM THE CRA AND CITY COUNCIL -- WELL, THE CRA TO MAKE THIS
02:10:59 POSSIBLE.
02:10:59 CITY COUNCIL WE HAD LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL PARTNERS.
02:11:04 WE HAVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE SENIOR CENTER ONLY.
02:11:09 I WANT TO KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT A MILLION DOLLARS THAT HAS
02:11:13 BEEN GIVEN TO US FEDERALLY FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.
02:11:20 AND THEN AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
02:11:22 SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
02:11:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. WYNN.
02:11:29 LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS JOINED US
02:11:34 BY INTERNET.
02:11:36 NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE PW 22-75850.
02:11:58 >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
02:11:59 JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, MOBILITY.
02:12:02 I APOLOGIZE.
02:12:03 I WAS JUST FINDING MY ITEM AMONG THE MANY THAT I'M WORKING
02:12:07 ON HERE.
02:12:08 WE HAVE AN ITEM FOR A CONTRACT THAT IS OVER THE $3 MILLION
02:12:15 LIMIT.
02:12:15 I SHARED THE EBO PARTICIPATION AND BREAKDOWN WITH THAT ON
02:12:21 OUR COUNCIL BRIEFINGS.
02:12:22 I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT MY
02:12:26 RECALL, IT WAS ABOUT A 32.1% EBO PARTICIPATION ON THAT
02:12:31 CONTRACT.
02:12:32 IT'S FOR WATER MAIN WORK IN THE BILMAR GARDENS AREA.
02:12:38 VERY IMPORTANT WORK TO GET THAT INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACED AND
02:12:41 UP AND RUNNING PROPERLY.
02:12:42 WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF MOVING THAT CONTRACT
02:12:46 FORWARD SO WE CAN GET THAT WATER MAIN WORK OUT.
02:12:49 IT IS PART OF OUR PIPES PROJECT.
02:12:50 AGAIN, WE'RE PLEASED THAT WE HAVE EBO PARTICIPATION OF ABOUT
02:12:54 32.1%.
02:12:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
02:12:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
02:12:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:13:01 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:13:02 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:13:03 ANY OPPOSED?
02:13:05 THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN.
02:13:07 SINCE YOU'RE THERE, LET'S GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
02:13:13 PW 22-75883.
02:13:15 >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, THANK YOU.
02:13:18 AGAIN, JEAN DUNCAN.
02:13:20 THIS ITEM IS AN EXTENSION OR AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING
02:13:25 CONTRACT THAT WE ISSUED IN 2018.
02:13:28 [LONG TONE SOUND]
02:13:28 >> FIRE DRILL?
02:13:28 >> NO.
02:13:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE PROCEED.
02:13:46 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THIS IS A COST INCREASE ACTUALLY TO AN
02:13:50 EXISTING CONTRACT WE ISSUED IN 2018.
02:13:53 IT'S FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH ODOR
02:13:57 AND CORROSION CONTROL AT OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
02:14:00 THE COST INCREASE IS ABOUT 443,000.
02:14:04 IT IS THE FIRST TIME THIS CONTRACTOR HAS ASKED FOR A COST
02:14:08 INCREASE.
02:14:09 AND THAT IS DUE, OF COURSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO INCREASING
02:14:12 PRICES.
02:14:13 THIS PARTICULAR CHEMICAL THAT WE REQUIRE FOR THE ODOR
02:14:16 CONTROL IS CALLED BIOXIDE AND THE COST HAS GONE UP.
02:14:21 WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE COST INCREASE FOR THIS
02:14:23 PARTICULAR ITEM FOR OUR WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
02:14:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
02:14:30 >> SECOND.
02:14:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
02:14:33 MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:14:36 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:14:38 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
02:14:40 MS. DUNCAN, AT THIS TIME, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE A COUPLE OF
02:14:46 CONTINUED AGENDA ITEMS, 43 AND 44, I SEE WHIT REMER IS HERE.
02:14:53 I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT, IF
02:15:00 YOU WOULD, MR. REMER.
02:15:01 >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE APPRECIATE THAT, CHAIR.
02:15:05 WE DO HAVE CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE TRAVELED FROM TALLAHASSEE
02:15:08 AS WELL AS MR. REMER WHO LEFT HIS FAMILY VACATION WITH THREE
02:15:14 YOUNG CHILDREN.
02:15:15 WE DO APPRECIATE A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO SHARE THE
02:15:18 INFORMATION FROM THAT STAFF REPORT.
02:15:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:15:21 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I OBJECT TO THIS.
02:15:22 IT'S OUT OF ORDER.
02:15:24 THE PUBLIC WAS HERE THIS MORNING TO GIVE INPUT ON THIS.
02:15:27 THIS APPEARS TO BE A POLITICAL ATTEMPT TO PUSH A PROJECT
02:15:30 THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT AND IT'S WITHOUT PUBLIC
02:15:32 SCRUTINY.
02:15:32 IT'S NOT SCHEDULED FOR THIS TIME SO NOBODY WOULD BE WATCHING
02:15:35 THIS.
02:15:36 THEY SHOULD COME BACK AT A SCHEDULED TIME AND HAVE A
02:15:38 DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SO WE CAN HAVE A FULL, ROBUST DEBATE
02:15:41 ABOUT IT.
02:15:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF NO ONE WAS HERE THIS MORNING AND WE
02:15:45 WERE LIVING IN A DESERT WHERE NO ONE SHOWED UP, THESE ITEMS
02:15:48 WERE PUT ON THE AGENDA.
02:15:50 IN FACT, THESE ITEMS WERE VOTED TO BE TRANSFERRED TO
02:15:53 SEPTEMBER 15, '22 WITHOUT ANYONE ASKING IF ANYBODY ELSE IN
02:15:58 THE AUDIENCE HAD ANY PARTICIPATION.
02:15:59 IF I'M WRONG, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE FACES HERE, IF YOU
02:16:04 WERE HERE 9:00 IN THE MORNING, RAISE YOUR HAND OR 9:30 IN
02:16:07 THE MORNING.
02:16:08 SO THEY WERE HERE.
02:16:10 THEY WERE NOT HEARD.
02:16:11 WE PASSED THIS PREMATURELY TO SET IT TO SEPTEMBER 15 OF 22.
02:16:17 MY MOTION WILL BE TO REOPEN TO LISTEN.
02:16:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:16:21 IS THERE A SECOND?
02:16:22 I'M PASSING THE GAVEL.
02:16:26 I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
02:16:31 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE CLARIFY THE MOTION?
02:16:32 ARE WE HEARING PUBLIC INPUT?
02:16:34 IF IT'S PUBLIC INPUT THEN THE STAFF PERSON WOULD GET THREE
02:16:38 MINUTES.
02:16:38 ARE WE HEARING A FULL STAFF PRESENTATION?
02:16:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT
02:16:42 THEY WANT.
02:16:42 THE PUBLIC SPOKE TODAY -- THEY HAD THREE OR FOUR INDIVIDUALS
02:16:47 SPEAKING.
02:16:47 IF YOU ALLOW FOR THREE MINUTES EACH, I GUESS THAT'S FINE
02:16:50 WITH THEM.
02:16:51 I NEVER TALKED TO THEM UNTIL I SAW THEM AFTER WE WERE ON
02:16:55 BREAK.
02:16:56 WHAT HAPPENED TO US?
02:16:56 NOTHING, WE'RE FULL OF ITEMS.
02:16:58 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS NOT AT ALL FAIR TO THE PUBLIC.
02:17:01 IT'S ANOTHER SURREPTITIOUS THING BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO
02:17:06 TRY TO TRICK THE PUBLIC INTO APPROVING THIS.
02:17:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I TRICKED
02:17:07 ANYBODY IS WHEN I THREW A CHANGEUP, AND THAT'S IN BASEBALL.
02:17:07 THERE'S NO CHANGEUP IN POLITICS.
02:17:11 THE MEDIA IS HERE.
02:17:13 WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT?
02:17:14 ARE WE AFRAID TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS A DIFFERENT
02:17:17 OPINION FROM MINE?
02:17:19 THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED --
02:17:20 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M NOT AFRAID, BUT WE CAUGHT THE WATER
02:17:22 DEPARTMENT IN MULTIPLE FACT ERRORS AND MULTIPLE --
02:17:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS NOT AN ERROR, SIR.
02:17:28 THIS HAPPENED MAYBE -- MAYBE -- I'M NOT EXCUSING ANYONE --
02:17:31 THIS HAPPENED BEFORE THEY HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
02:17:33 THEY'VE BEEN HERE.
02:17:35 THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
02:17:36 FOR CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY, I MOVE --
02:17:40 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS THIS SO BADLY THAT
02:17:42 THEY ARE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING TO GO AGAINST THE PUBLIC TO
02:17:44 PASS THIS.
02:17:45 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
02:17:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
02:17:48 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS WHY THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST THIS
02:17:50 ADMINISTRATION.
02:17:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S YOUR OPINION.
02:17:51 I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION.
02:17:52 BUT MY OPINION IS DIFFERENT THAN YOURS.
02:17:53 THAT'S IT.
02:17:53 I'M NOT MAD AT YOU.
02:17:55 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M NOT MAD AT YOU EITHER.
02:17:57 I'M MAD AT THE ADMINISTRATION FOR MISLEADING THE PUBLIC AND
02:18:00 GIVING FALSE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND NOW TRYING TO
02:18:03 HAVE A DISCUSSION WHEN THE PUBLIC IS NOT HERE.
02:18:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT THE QUESTION IS, WERE THEY HERE?
02:18:05 DID THEY BUTT IN?
02:18:08 NO.
02:18:08 THEY WERE HERE.
02:18:08 SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?
02:18:10 JUST LISTEN TO ONE SIDE AND TO HELL WITH THE OTHER SIDE NO
02:18:10 MATTER WHICH SIDE?
02:18:11 >>BILL CARLSON: BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE SHOULD HEAR
02:18:13 THE PUBLIC, NOT HEAR THE FULL PRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY'RE
02:18:14 GOING TO SAY.
02:18:15 THE PRESENTATION HAS TO BE SCHEDULED FOR THE PUBLIC.
02:18:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: -- ALLOWED THREE MINUTES EACH.
02:18:19 >>WHIT REMER: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL
02:18:22 PRESENTATION.
02:18:22 WE JUST HAD A QUICK UPDATE.
02:18:24 RESPECTFULLY, EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL HAS BEEN BRIEFED ON
02:18:27 EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE PRESENTING TODAY.
02:18:28 IT WAS IN SIRE.
02:18:29 WE REGRETFULLY HAD TO MOVE A STANDING MEETING THAT WE HAVE
02:18:32 WITH SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR LAST
02:18:36 WEEK.
02:18:36 IT'S NOW SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW.
02:18:37 THEY RECEIVED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND
02:18:40 WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT THAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO PREPARE BACK
02:18:45 IN FEBRUARY TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY THAT STAYS WITHIN THE
02:18:49 LANES OF EXACTLY WHAT THIS BODY ASKED US TO DO WHICH WAS TO
02:18:53 EXPAND ALL ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS OF ALL OF THE COMBINATIONS
02:18:57 THAT ARE AVAILABLE UNDER THE PURE PROGRAM AND TO ENGAGE IN
02:19:01 ROBUST PUBLIC COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
02:19:03 NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE BETWEEN TODAY AND SEPTEMBER.
02:19:06 >> TAKE THE VOTE.
02:19:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:19:08 I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND A SECOND BY
02:19:12 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
02:19:14 COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS A COMMENT.
02:19:15 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:19:16 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WHEN THAT MOTION WAS ORIGINALLY MADE
02:19:20 EARLY IN THE MEETING I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
02:19:22 DIDN'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT OR DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE IT
02:19:25 CONTINUED, THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T SAY SOMETHING EARLY ON.
02:19:30 I'M FOR, IF THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS ON
02:19:34 THIS, I'M FINE WITH IT.
02:19:35 IT'S MY BELIEF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE WHOLE
02:19:38 PRESENTATION ON IT.
02:19:39 I'LL JUST END IT AT THAT.
02:19:45 AGAIN, I'M FINE WITH HEARING PEOPLE OUT.
02:19:47 BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO CHANGE SOMETHING FROM WHAT WAS
02:19:51 DONE EARLIER THIS MORNING, A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY HAVE LEFT WHO
02:19:55 WERE GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT AND MAY HAVE LEFT BECAUSE OF
02:19:59 THAT, I THINK.
02:20:00 AGAIN, I'M NOT THERE PHYSICALLY.
02:20:02 I'M JUST SAYING THAT.
02:20:03 I'M FINE WITH GOING FORWARD AND ALLOWING FOLKS TO TALK.
02:20:06 AGAIN, EVERYTHING WITHIN GOOD MEASURE.
02:20:09 THANK YOU.
02:20:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
02:20:10 HE'S GOING TO MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
02:20:12 THERE'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON BECAUSE WE ALREADY POSTPONED IT
02:20:15 TO SEPTEMBER.
02:20:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMMENTS FROM
02:20:22 STAFF BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WAS HERE, DECIDED TO MOVE TO
02:20:28 THE 15th.
02:20:31 THEY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON THAT.
02:20:34 SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE ISSUE.
02:20:37 >>MORRIS MASSEY: ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO COUNCIL,
02:20:40 THIS CAME UP ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
02:20:42 TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, THE PUBLIC WOULD MAKE COMMENT
02:20:45 DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:20:46 IT WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN SOME SORT OF DEBATE WHEN YOU
02:20:50 APPROVE THE ITEM.
02:20:51 YOU WOULD TAKE THEIR COMMENTS UP FRONT.
02:20:54 >>BILL CARLSON: WE ALSO TOLD PEOPLE WE WEREN'T GOING TO
02:20:57 BRING IT UP AND DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LEFT.
02:21:00 >>MORRIS MASSEY: UNDERSTOOD AND A FAIR COMMENT.
02:21:02 >>LYNN HURTAK: ALSO, IT SAID IN THIS AGENDA REQUESTING THAT
02:21:07 THE ITEM BE MOVED TO STAFF REPORT.
02:21:08 SO IT WASN'T GOING TO BE A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
02:21:11 >>MORRIS MASSEY: EVEN UNDER STAFF REPORTS YOU DON'T
02:21:14 TYPICALLY HAVE A -- IT'S NOT SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
02:21:17 TYPICALLY HEAR IT SEPARATELY UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
02:21:19 YOU DON'T TYPICALLY UNLESS YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL CAN
02:21:23 WAIVE ITS RULES AND ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ALMOST ANYTIME
02:21:26 DURING THE MEETING.
02:21:27 TYPICALLY, YOU TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT'S
02:21:30 NOT SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING UNDER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:21:33 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF HE PRESENTS, EVEN
02:21:36 WHAT HE SAID IS NOT TRUE.
02:21:37 IT DOESN'T STAY WITHIN THE LANES.
02:21:39 IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE EXACT DESCRIPTION.
02:21:41 THE WHOLE THING IS PUT TOGETHER IN A BIASED WAY.
02:21:43 ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THREE HOURS TALKING ABOUT THIS AND LET
02:21:48 THEM PRESENT MISINFORMATION AGAIN OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE
02:21:50 THIS AT A TIME WHEN THE PUBLIC CAN GIVE INPUT ON IT?
02:21:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED
02:21:57 BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
02:21:58 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:21:59 ALL OPPOSED?
02:22:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL.
02:22:04 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:22:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S 4-3.
02:22:08 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:22:08 MOTION FROM MIRANDA.
02:22:09 SECOND FROM CITRO.
02:22:11 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
02:22:12 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
02:22:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
02:22:17 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:22:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:22:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:22:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:22:28 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK, CARLSON AND GUDES
02:22:31 VOTING NO.
02:22:35 >> THANK YOU.
02:22:36 AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE -- WHIT REMER, SUSTAINABILITY AND
02:22:39 RESILIENCE OFFER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:22:40 WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION TODAY.
02:22:43 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU ABOUT
02:22:45 THE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU.
02:22:47 BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY CAME, THE
02:22:50 ADMINISTRATION CAME TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A CONTRACT TO
02:22:53 UNDERTAKE AN INITIAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH PCL.
02:22:57 THEY ARE THE PRIME ON A BIG WATER REUSE PROJECT THAT THE
02:23:01 CITY IS CONSIDERING THAT WE CALL PURE.
02:23:04 UNDER THAT INITIAL SERVICES CONTRACT, THERE WERE A FEW
02:23:07 ALTERNATIVES THAT THE CITY HAD KIND OF NARROWED DOWN THROUGH
02:23:11 SOME PREVIOUS ENGINEERING.
02:23:13 CITY COUNCIL MADE VERY, VERY CLEAR TO US THAT THOSE
02:23:16 ALTERNATIVES WEREN'T SUFFICIENT, THAT THEY DIDN'T COVER A
02:23:19 BROAD ENOUGH SET OF OPTIONS ON HOW TO BENEFICIALLY REUSE THE
02:23:24 CITY'S WATER.
02:23:25 SO CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF MANY ENVIRONMENTAL STROLLED
02:23:29 GROUPS ASKED THAT THE CITY GO AND AMEND THAT CONTRACT TO
02:23:33 LOOK AT ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS.
02:23:35 I'LL REMIND YOU A COUPLE OF THEM.
02:23:37 EXPANDING THE PURPLE PIPE PROGRAM, WATER CONSERVATION, DEEP
02:23:40 WELL INJECTION, SELLING WATER TO A REGIONAL WATER ENTITY,
02:23:46 ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE THINGS THAT THIS BODY ASKED THE
02:23:49 ADMINISTRATION TO GO AND AMEND IN THAT CONTRACT.
02:23:52 THE SECOND THING THAT THIS BODY AND THE PUBLIC ASKED FOR WAS
02:23:55 FOR ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
02:23:58 WE HAD SOME VERY PRELIMINARY DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PUT
02:24:02 TOGETHER BY THE THEN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT, WHICH
02:24:07 WEREN'T SUFFICIENT TO US, PREVIEWING WITH SOME MEMBERS OF
02:24:11 COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC DIDN'T REALLY MEET THE MARK.
02:24:14 FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
02:24:16 AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE ALL THE ALTERNATIVES THAT THIS BODY
02:24:20 SUGGESTED, RECOMMENDED, DEMANDED, AND ALSO TO SEARCH FOR A
02:24:24 NEW PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT.
02:24:27 WE HAVE DONE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
02:24:29 THOSE ARE IN THE AMENDMENT.
02:24:30 THIS IS LITERALLY AN AMENDMENT THAT CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED
02:24:33 US TO PUT TOGETHER.
02:24:36 I REGRET THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO BRIEF THE FULL AMENDMENT TO
02:24:39 THAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT WE MEET WITH REGULARLY LAST
02:24:42 WEEK, BUT THEY ARE IN RECEIPT OF IT NOW.
02:24:45 THE AMENDMENT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE BETWEEN TODAY AND
02:24:49 SEPTEMBER.
02:24:49 IT'S GOING TO STAY THE SAME.
02:24:51 SO JUST DELAYING IT UNFORTUNATELY WORKS AGAINST I THINK WHAT
02:24:55 PERHAPS COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR, WHICH IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
02:24:57 THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE MORE.
02:24:58 THAT'S WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES.
02:25:00 IT ALLOWS US TO GO OUT AND START THAT REALLY IMPORTANT
02:25:03 PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
02:25:04 RIGHT NOW, THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND MY DEPARTMENT FEEL
02:25:06 REALLY CONSTRAINED WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE CAN DO ON THE
02:25:09 PURE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A VERY SMALL SLICE OF FUNDING
02:25:12 AVAILABLE.
02:25:13 THIS CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH PCL FOR $1.1 MILLION AND SOME
02:25:17 CHANGE AND WILL ALLOW US TO GO ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS
02:25:21 THAT I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND OTHER MEMBERS HAVE POSED
02:25:24 TO US.
02:25:25 WE CAN'T DO THIS WORK.
02:25:26 WE CAN'T START ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
02:25:27 WE CAN'T DO THE ENGINEERING AND THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
02:25:29 WITHOUT THIS AMENDMENT IN PLACE AND NOTHING IS GOING TO
02:25:31 CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER.
02:25:33 I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THIS BODY TO RESCIND THE
02:25:35 CONTINUANCE AND VOTE ON THIS AMENDMENT TODAY.
02:25:38 >>BILL CARLSON: I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO GIVE AN UPDATE.
02:25:40 SEE, THIS IS ANOTHER PLOY BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO TRY TO
02:25:41 SELL THIS.
02:25:42 MR. CHAIR, NUMBER ONE, THE CITY -- I'VE TALKED TO THE DEP.
02:25:50 THE CITY SENDS AN HONEST REQUEST TO DEP THEY WILL GET
02:25:55 APPROVED TO CONTINUE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WHICH
02:25:57 WILL BUY US TIME.
02:25:59 THE MAIN EXCUSE FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD IS THAT THE STATE IS
02:26:01 FORCING US TO DO IT.
02:26:01 IT'S NOT TRUE.
02:26:02 IF THEY SEND A REQUEST TO DEP, WHICH THEY TOLD ME THEY ARE
02:26:05 GOING TO DO, THAT HAS ANY BIAS WHATSOEVER IN IT, I MAY END
02:26:08 UP PERSONALLY FILING A LAWSUIT BECAUSE I AM SICK AND TIRED
02:26:10 OF THIS MISINFORMATION OUT THERE.
02:26:11 NUMBER TWO, THE ALTERNATIVES WERE NOT BASED ON SCIENCE.
02:26:14 THEY ARE BASED ON POLITICS AND DESIRE BY SOMEBODY, ALL BUT
02:26:17 ONE OF THEM REQUIRE THE CITY AND CITY WATER RATEPAYERS TO
02:26:21 SPEND MILLIONS, IF NOT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUILD
02:26:23 SOMETHING WHEN WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T HAVE TO.
02:26:25 ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE TO SELL THE WATER AS IS.
02:26:28 THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THERE.
02:26:30 AND ALL OF THESE ALTERNATIVES -- CAN I FINISH, PLEASE?
02:26:33 THESE ALTERNATIVES DO NOT INCLUDE THAT.
02:26:37 WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO IS TO GIVE SOMEBODY IN THE WATER
02:26:40 DEPARTMENT, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND
02:26:43 HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH SOMEBODY WHEN WE DON'T
02:26:45 NEED TO DO THAT AT ALL.
02:26:47 SO THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT THE RIGHT ALTERNATIVES.
02:26:49 THEY ARE NOT BASED ON WHAT I REQUEST OR WE REQUESTED.
02:26:52 PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AS BEST I READ IT, THERE ARE NOW THREE PR
02:26:57 FIRMS, INCLUDING ONE FROM TALLAHASSEE THAT'S SITTING IN THE
02:27:01 BACK.
02:27:02 YOU'VE HAD SINCE FEBRUARY, AND THE CONTRACT SAYS WE'LL PUT
02:27:06 TOGETHER A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN FOR YOU.
02:27:08 WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH?
02:27:10 NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ASK US FOR MONEY SO WE CAN GO PUT
02:27:13 TOGETHER A PLAN?
02:27:13 IT SHOULD BY NOW HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS,
02:27:16 WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, ET CETERA.
02:27:18 INSTEAD WHAT IT HAS IS WE'RE GOING TO CREATE VIDEOS, WE'RE
02:27:21 GOING TO CREATE A BRANDING MANUAL, AN IDENTITY MANUAL FOR
02:27:23 PURE SO THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT IT IS
02:27:25 PRESUMABLY SO THEY'LL LIKE IT.
02:27:27 THIS IS NOT ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ANYMORE.
02:27:28 IT'S TURNING INTO A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN BECAUSE THE MAYOR
02:27:31 KNOWS IT'S A LIABILITY.
02:27:32 SHE'S NOT GOING TO GET REELECTED IF THIS GETS PASSED.
02:27:35 ANYBODY WHO VOTES FOR THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET REELECTED.
02:27:38 THE PUBLIC HATES IT.
02:27:38 THEY ARE INCLUDING A POLL.
02:27:38 THEY WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PUBLIC SAYS.
02:27:38 THE POLL LIKELY WILL BE SKEWED, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE
02:27:42 THEY PRESENT.
02:27:43 THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
02:27:44 THIS IS NOT -- IF THIS DOES NOT CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN,
02:27:46 THERE ARE GOING TO BE A THOUSAND PEOPLE HERE IN THE PUBLIC
02:27:49 BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
02:27:50 IT'S PRETENDING LIKE THEY ARE LISTENING TO US, PRETENDING
02:27:54 LIKE THEY ARE LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEY ARE
02:27:55 ABSOLUTELY NOT.
02:27:56 THEY ARE TRYING TO PULL ONE OVER ON THE PUBLIC.
02:27:58 THEY WANT TO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE WATER RATES AND MAKE PEOPLE
02:28:02 DRINK POTTY WATER OR PUT POTTY WATER IN OUR SYSTEM, AND WE
02:28:05 DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
02:28:05 WE DON'T NEED TO WASTE RATEPAYER MONEY ON THIS.
02:28:08 WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PUBLIC.
02:28:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:28:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE A SPORTS FANATIC GUY,
02:28:20 BASEBALL GUY.
02:28:20 I'M A FOOTBALL GUY.
02:28:22 I'LL TELL YOU, THERE IS A FLAG ON THE PLATE.
02:28:26 WHIT, THERE IS A FLAG ON THE PLATE.
02:28:29 YOU HAD HIM UNTIL YOU SAID WHAT YOU SAID.
02:28:32 I HAVE TO AGREE WITH HIM ON THAT PORTION.
02:28:34 THAT WAS GOOD.
02:28:35 BUT THEN YOU COME AND TELL THIS COUNCIL WHAT YOU WANT US TO
02:28:40 GO AND MOVE THIS, TO ME THAT IS A FOUL ON THE PLAY.
02:28:44 I CAN SEE WHY THE MAN IS HOT.
02:28:46 HE'S HOT.
02:28:47 I CAN'T BLAME HIM.
02:28:49 THAT WAS A FLAG ON THE PLAY.
02:28:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOMETIMES EVEN ON THE TV THEY REVERSE THE
02:28:56 CALL.
02:28:57 [ LAUGHTER ]
02:28:57 REMEMBER THAT.
02:28:58 WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS THIS, IT WAS US THAT ASKED
02:29:04 THEM TO EXPAND THE FOCUS, AM I CORRECT?
02:29:08 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
02:29:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAYBE I'M WRONG.
02:29:11 I'M GETTING OLDER, MY MIND GETTING BETTER, I HAVE A PROBLEM.
02:29:14 THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
02:29:15 IF ANYTHING, WE'RE THE ONES THAT ASKED THEM TO DO THIS, TO
02:29:18 EXPAND THE FOCUS.
02:29:19 AM I CORRECT OR NOT?
02:29:20 THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.
02:29:22 ME, EVERY TIME I HEAR SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO GET ELECTED,
02:29:27 I'M NEVER AFRAID OF AN ELECTION.
02:29:29 YOU EITHER WIN OR YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH VOTES.
02:29:32 SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH VOTES, I'M NOT TALKING
02:29:34 ABOUT MYSELF, YOU'RE BETTER OFF.
02:29:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:29:38 >>LYNN HURTAK: I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE ALL WEEK.
02:29:42 WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.
02:29:45 I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
02:29:47 I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE MONEY HAS CURRENTLY BEEN SPENT ON.
02:29:50 AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THIS IS WHAT I DO IN MY DAY JOB.
02:29:55 MONITORING AND EVALUATION OF AID PROJECTS, GOVERNMENT
02:29:57 PROJECTS.
02:29:58 THIS IS WHAT I DO.
02:29:59 MIDTERM EVALUATIONS, WHEN YOU ARE AT THE MIDPOINT OF
02:30:01 SOMETHING AND COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR MORE MONEY, YOU
02:30:03 HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHERE THE MONEY WAS SPENT ALREADY.
02:30:06 I ASKED FOR THAT AND GOT A LIST OF THINGS BUT I DON'T KNOW
02:30:08 HOW MUCH WAS SPENT ON EACH THING.
02:30:10 I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT.
02:30:12 THEN I ALSO WANT TO KNOW THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
02:30:14 SPENDING, WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE SPENT?
02:30:16 I ECHO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE DO NOT NEED THREE PR FIRMS FOR
02:30:21 THIS.
02:30:21 WHEN READING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION I GOT LAST NIGHT,
02:30:24 AGAIN, THE SAME DOCUMENTATION ON THE PR FIRM.
02:30:27 I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PR FIRM IS GOING TO DO FOR US.
02:30:30 IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL THE PROJECT WHEN THAT
02:30:33 IS NOT WHAT THIS COUNCIL ASKED FOR.
02:30:35 THIS COUNCIL ASKED FOR THEM TO EDUCATE ABOUT THESE POSSIBLE
02:30:40 ISSUES AND EVEN IF THE PUBLIC WANTED TO CONTINUE.
02:30:45 SO IF IT'S SUCH A GOOD IDEA, THE PROJECT SHOULD SELL ITSELF,
02:30:49 IT SHOULD NOT NEED THREE PR FIRMS.
02:30:53 ALSO, AGAIN, HAVING COME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, MY
02:30:56 QUESTION IS, WHAT IS PURE ACTUALLY?
02:31:00 IS PURE A SOLUTION FOR DRINKING WATER AND FINDING CHEAPER
02:31:03 AND BETTER WAYS TO DO THAT?
02:31:05 OR IS IT TO SATISFY THE WASTEWATER MANDATE?
02:31:08 EVEN IF IT IS THAT, WHAT IS THE STATE'S MECHANISM FOR
02:31:12 ENFORCEMENT OF THIS MANDATE?
02:31:13 SO THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
02:31:16 I DO NOT THEM ANSWERED RIGHT NOW.
02:31:18 I AM JUST SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON IF
02:31:21 THIS ACTUALLY COME UP.
02:31:24 I WILL MENTION IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO A
02:31:27 VOTE.
02:31:28 I'M REALLY MAD ABOUT THAT.
02:31:29 AGAIN, I WAS PREPARED, GLAD I WAS PREPARED BUT THIS IS NOT
02:31:32 OKAY.
02:31:32 JUST THROWING IT BACK ON US IS NOT OKAY.
02:31:35 I WANT THE PUBLIC HERE, BUT I ALSO REALLY WANT ACCOUNTING
02:31:40 FOR WHERE THE MONEY HAS GONE AND WHERE IT WILL GO.
02:31:43 I'M FINE SUPPORTING AN AMENDMENT, BUT I WANT TO KNOW
02:31:48 ABSOLUTE TO THE PENNY WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO AND
02:31:50 WHERE IT'S SPENT ALREADY.
02:31:52 IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S BEEN SPENT ON ACTUALLY MAKING
02:31:55 THIS PLAN.
02:31:55 THANK YOU.
02:32:03 >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:32:04 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
02:32:06 I'LL TRY AND DO MY BEST OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS TO BE
02:32:09 COLLABORATIVE AND COLLEGIAL WITH ALL PARTIES, COUNCIL.
02:32:12 I HOPE COUNCIL AGREES WITH THAT.
02:32:13 I TRY TO SIT IN AS MANY WATER CONVERSATIONS AS POSSIBLE
02:32:17 KNOWING I HAVE SEVEN OTHER PORTFOLIOS TO WATCH AND TRY AND
02:32:20 MAKE SURE THAT I AT LEAST LISTEN AND HEAR.
02:32:22 I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU REALLY BRING US ALL DOWN, THE
02:32:27 ONLY INTENTION OF CITY GOVERNMENT, IN MY OPINION, IS TO MAKE
02:32:31 SURE THAT WE HAVE WHAT I CALL THE BIG THREE.
02:32:36 GOOD, HEALTHY, SAFE, CLEAN DRINKING WATER AT THE BEST
02:32:39 POSSIBLE PRICE, SUSTAINABLE BY THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE
02:32:42 SUPPLY.
02:32:43 SO THAT'S KIND OF -- I TRY AND SIMPLIFY THINGS.
02:32:46 I LISTEN FOR THOSE FACETS ALL THE TIME.
02:32:49 I DIDN'T COME UP HERE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, AND I DO LISTEN
02:32:52 TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF
02:32:54 PURE AS A PROCESS VERSUS A PROGRAM.
02:32:58 AND I TRY AND MAKE SURE WE LISTEN IN THE SAME WAY WHEN I GET
02:33:01 INTO THE MEETINGS SOMETIMES.
02:33:02 BUT THE ONLY REASON I CAME UP -- AND I DO AGREE WITH
02:33:05 EVERYTHING SAID ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE
02:33:09 IT TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL IS ASKING TODAY, I
02:33:12 THINK THAT'S A VERY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.
02:33:16 I'M WILLING TO SIT IN WITH ANY GROUP.
02:33:18 I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH COUNCILMAN
02:33:20 CARLSON OFF-LINE TO HEAR MORE OF THE IDEAS AND TRY AND MAKE
02:33:23 SURE WE FIND THE COMMON GROUND ON THIS FOR THE FUTURE OF
02:33:26 TAMPA WHICH IS REALLY THE ONLY -- AND I WILL SAY THE REGION
02:33:29 BECAUSE I AM A REGIONALLY MINDED PERSON.
02:33:32 I WORKED ACROSS THE BAY.
02:33:34 I UNDERSTAND THE INTRICACIES OF ALL THE BASIC NEEDS IN
02:33:39 TRANSPORTATION.
02:33:39 ONE THING I WOULD SAY AND TALKED TO THE CHAIRMAN ABOUT THIS,
02:33:42 AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER ON IT, IF
02:33:45 SOMETHING WILL GET CONTINUED DURING AGENDA REVIEW, CAN WE
02:33:48 GIVE THE STAFF A CHANCE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE
02:33:52 CONTINUANCE, WHETHER IT GOES OR STAYS, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO
02:33:56 ME.
02:33:56 BUT ONE THING WE TEND TO NOT DO, WE TEND TO CONTINUE
02:33:59 SOMETHING WITHOUT GIVING THE LEAD STAFF PERSON A LITTLE BIT
02:34:02 OF FEEDBACK BEFORE THE VOTE IS TAKEN.
02:34:04 SO IT'S JUST A GENERAL WORKING RELATIONSHIP THING THAT I
02:34:07 WOULD ASK FOR GOING FORWARD AND WE WOULD AVOID THIS
02:34:10 SITUATION GOING FORWARD.
02:34:11 SO THANK YOU.
02:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:34:14 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, AND YOU'VE
02:34:17 BEEN AN HONEST BROKER WORKING WITH US ON LOTS OF THINGS.
02:34:20 I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A MEETING WITH YOU OR WHOMEVER TO
02:34:23 TRY TO WORK THIS OUT.
02:34:25 WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.
02:34:28 IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC FOR THE RATE
02:34:30 PAYERS TO TAKE ON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT OR HUNDREDS OF
02:34:33 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT.
02:34:35 WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE TELL THE TRUTH AND TELL IT
02:34:37 CONSISTENTLY.
02:34:37 A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES I MENTIONED BEFORE, FIRST TIME I MET
02:34:40 THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS THREE YEARS AGO, SHE SAID, WELL, WE
02:34:43 CAN'T WORK WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THE
02:34:45 DESAL PLANT DOESN'T WORK.
02:34:47 I SAID IT'S BEEN WORKING FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS, BUT IT SHOWED
02:34:50 THAT SOMEBODY HAD GIVEN HER FALSE INFORMATION.
02:34:52 SOMEBODY HAD GIVEN THE MAYOR FALSE INFORMATION.
02:34:54 SHE SAID WELL IT'S NOT WORKING AT CAPACITY.
02:34:56 I EXPLAINED IT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE SOURCE OF WATER, SO
02:34:58 IT'S NOT USED AT FULL CAPACITY BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THAT.
02:35:01 YOU AND I SAT IN A MEETING WITH THE MAYOR IN FEBRUARY AND MY
02:35:04 LEGISLATIVE AIDE WAS THERE AND SHE SAID WE CAN'T BUY FROM
02:35:08 TAMPA BAY WATER BECAUSE THE WATER QUALITY IS BAD.
02:35:09 I SAID, MADAM MAYOR, WE PROVED THIS PUBLICLY THREE YEARS AGO
02:35:13 THAT WATER IS TREATED TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
02:35:15 $250,000 A YEAR FIX TO FIX IT.
02:35:17 AGAIN, SHE WAS GIVEN FALSE INFORMATION.
02:35:19 I THINK THAT SHE'S GOT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC AT
02:35:22 MIND, HOPEFULLY, BUT SOMEBODY IS GIVING HER FALSE
02:35:25 INFORMATION.
02:35:25 WE KNOW THAT INCONSISTENT INFORMATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO
02:35:29 EVEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BEFORE SHE GOT ON COUNCIL.
02:35:36 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS AN HONEST DIALOGUE.
02:35:39 IN OTHER AREAS, I DON'T HEAR FEEDBACK ABOUT MISINFORMATION
02:35:42 AND WRONG INFORMATION.
02:35:44 WE HAD THE POLICE THIS MORNING AND THERE WERE DISAGREEMENTS
02:35:46 ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I NEVER HEAR FEEDBACK LIKE I DO
02:35:49 ON THIS.
02:35:49 THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THAT DON'T TRUST THIS
02:35:52 PROCESS.
02:35:52 AND WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND NOT FORCE IT THROUGH AND
02:35:55 PUT UP FALSE REASONS TO PUSH IT THROUGH QUICKLY.
02:35:59 WE NEED TO BE HONEST AND OPEN WITH THE PUBLIC AND NOT ARGUE
02:36:01 WITH THEM AND THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION HAS TO BE INTERACTIVE
02:36:05 WITH THE PUBLIC TO PRESENT HONEST FACTUAL INFORMATION AND
02:36:09 HEAR BACK FROM THEM AND REALLY LISTEN TO THEM.
02:36:12 THE WAY IT'S SET UP IN THE DOCUMENT, IT LOOKS LIKES WE'LL
02:36:14 CREATE A BRAND AND BRAND DOCUMENT AND VIDEOS TO SELL IT TO
02:36:17 THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE DUMB AND THEY JUST
02:36:20 DON'T UNDERSTAND IT OR THAT I'M DUMB AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND
02:36:22 IT.
02:36:23 THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND IT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE
02:36:27 AGAINST IT AND WE WANT THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO DO THE RIGHT
02:36:29 THING.
02:36:30 I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH WHOMEVER TO TRY TO MAKE THIS
02:36:34 AN HONEST PROJECT THAT WILL BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE.
02:36:36 IF WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN PRESENT IN SEPTEMBER ALL TOGETHER
02:36:39 AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
02:36:41 >>JOHN BENNETT: I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.
02:36:43 I WILL SAY NOT BEING A WATER EXPERT BY ANY SENSE OF THE
02:36:46 IMAGINATION, I WATCHED THE MAYOR WHEN SHE FIRST ENTERED
02:36:50 OFFICE.
02:36:50 THE FIRST THING SHE DID WAS INVITED REGIONAL PARTNERS IN
02:36:53 KNOWING THIS WAS A CONCERN AND ASKED HER THEIR FEEDBACK ON
02:36:58 HOW TO DO THIS BOTH LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY.
02:37:00 AND SHE WAS WILLING TO TAKE IN THAT FEEDBACK.
02:37:02 THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I REALLY APPLAUD OUR LEADERSHIP
02:37:05 FOR, WHETHER IT'S COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR, IS THAT THEIR
02:37:09 WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO ALL DIFFERENT THINGS AND COME OUT
02:37:11 WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER, BOTH FOR OUR JURISDICTION AND OUR
02:37:15 CONTIGUOUS JURISDICTIONS GOING FORWARD.
02:37:17 BECAUSE THIS PROBABLY WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE IN
02:37:22 OUR REPERTOIRE OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES GOING FORWARD.
02:37:25 I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO WORK WITH THE GROUPS TO
02:37:29 HELP IT MOVE FORWARD.
02:37:30 I WANT TO ASK THAT ONE CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THERE ARE GOOD
02:37:32 REASONS TO CONTINUE THINGS AND SOMETIMES WE'VE GOT TO MOVE
02:37:35 THE BALL FORWARD.
02:37:36 I WOULD JUST ASK IF WE COULD JUST ASK THE LEAD STAFF PERSON
02:37:39 AND AGAIN, THEN THE VOTE IS THE VOTE AFTER THAT.
02:37:42 THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
02:37:43 THANK YOU.
02:37:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:37:44 >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU, CHIEF BENNETT, FOR BRINGING UP
02:37:48 ANOTHER POINT ABOUT NOT BEING A WATER EXPERT.
02:37:51 I AM NOT A WATER EXPERT.
02:37:52 NO ONE APPEARS A WATER EXPERT.
02:37:54 SO WE DO RELY ON THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND THEIR EXPERTS.
02:38:01 AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS THAT WE CHOOSE A FIRM
02:38:07 TO WORK WITH THAT REALLY UNDERSTANDS WATER, TOO, AND NOT
02:38:12 JUST NECESSARILY A POLITICAL PR FIRM.
02:38:16 AND I WOULD REALLY, REALLY WANT ANY FIRM THAT COMES IN FRONT
02:38:23 OF US FOR APPROVAL TO SHOW THAT THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THESE
02:38:27 COMPLICATED WATER ISSUES.
02:38:29 I HAVE BEEN ON WEEKLY PHONE CALLS, HOUR-LONG CALLS TO LEARN
02:38:33 ABOUT WATER AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
02:38:36 I KEEP SAYING HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO UNDERSTAND, AND I DON'T
02:38:40 KNOW HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DISTILL THIS INTO THE FIVE
02:38:44 DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN WAYS THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND.
02:38:48 TO ME, THE CHOICE OF THE PR FIRM IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
02:38:52 WE CAN DO.
02:38:53 SO I NEED TO KNOW THAT THOSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WATER AND I
02:38:56 EVEN JOKED AND I DON'T THINK -- NOW I DON'T THINK I WAS
02:38:59 JOKING THAT I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD SEE THE PRESENTATION
02:39:03 BEFORE IT GOES TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE --
02:39:09 WHAT IS IT, SIXTH-GRADE QUALITY, THAT EVERYONE CAN
02:39:12 UNDERSTAND IT.
02:39:13 THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED, VERY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK WHAT
02:39:18 WE ARE ALL SAYING IS WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GET IT WRONG AND
02:39:22 WE DON'T WANT ANY MISINFORMATION TO MAKE IT TO THE PUBLIC
02:39:24 BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A MINDSET ON THIS AND WE'RE NOT
02:39:28 TRYING TO CHANGE MINDS; WE'RE TRYING TO EDUCATE ON ALL THE
02:39:31 OPTIONS.
02:39:32 SO WHAT I WOULD -- AGAIN, WHEN YOU COME FORWARD ON SEPTEMBER
02:39:36 15th, I WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING.
02:39:42 I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER NOW.
02:39:43 I'M JUST SAYING I REALLY WANT MORE IN-DEPTH ON WHAT THIS IS
02:39:47 GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
02:39:51 >>WHIT REMER: MAY I RESPOND BRIEFLY?
02:39:52 THANK YOU.
02:39:53 THE PRESENTATION TODAY WAS NEVER THE PRESENTATION FROM THE
02:39:56 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FIRM.
02:39:58 THE VOTE TODAY WAS TO GO UNDER CONTRACT WITH THAT FIRM SO
02:40:03 THEY COULD DEVELOP THOSE MATERIALS.
02:40:04 THE REASON THERE ARE THREE PR FIRMS IS BECAUSE THIS IS A
02:40:08 VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE.
02:40:09 SO WE NEED ROBUST RESOURCES TO GO OUT AND DO THAT
02:40:12 ENGAGEMENT.
02:40:13 ONCE THIS FIRM IS UNDER CONTRACT, THE FIRST PEOPLE TO SEE
02:40:16 THEIR PLAN, THEIR PROPOSED PLAN, WILL BE THIS COUNCIL AND
02:40:19 THAT MEMBER OF STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.
02:40:21 NOTHING WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT THIS BODY BEING ABLE
02:40:23 TO DELIBERATE SIGNIFICANTLY ON THAT PROPOSED PLAN.
02:40:29 COUNCILWOMAN, I HEARD THAT ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS AT LEAST
02:40:32 SEVEN MEETINGS.
02:40:32 THAT'S BEEN NOTED ALREADY.
02:40:34 BUT WE CAN'T PUT THESE PEOPLE TO WORK WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT
02:40:37 TO THIS CONTRACT.
02:40:38 I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT.
02:40:41 WHAT WE COME WITH ON SEPTEMBER 15 WAS GOING TO BE NO
02:40:44 DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW.
02:40:46 WE CAN'T ASK THESE PEOPLE TO DO WORK FOR FREE.
02:40:51 >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M NOT ASKING THEM TO DO WORK FOR FREE.
02:40:54 BUT I AM ASKING FOR THIS -- I WANT A MORE BREAK DOWN BUDGET.
02:41:00 I WOULD LIKE A BREAKDOWN OF THE BUDGET ALREADY SPENT.
02:41:03 A BUDGET THAT WILL BE SPENT AND JUST SOME IDEAS FROM STAFF
02:41:07 TO GIVE TO THE PR FIRM.
02:41:09 I UNDERSTAND THAT A PR FIRM NEEDS TO MAKE THOSE -- THAT'S
02:41:12 WHAT THEY DO.
02:41:13 IN MY EXPERIENCE IN EDUCATION, IF YOU DON'T GIVE PEOPLE VERY
02:41:18 CLEAR INFORMATION, THEY CAN'T PASS IT ALONG BECAUSE THEN
02:41:20 WE'RE EXPECTING THE PR FIRM TO LEARN ABOUT WATER.
02:41:24 AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE GIVEN THEM THAT INFORMATION.
02:41:27 I DO EXPECT THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO COME TO US
02:41:31 WITH AN EXPLANATION THAT ISN'T GOING TO TAKE AN INCREDIBLY
02:41:35 LONG TIME.
02:41:36 IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
02:41:37 I DON'T ENVY YOU.
02:41:38 I KNOW YOU ALL ARE DOING -- YOU'RE WORKING REALLY HARD ON
02:41:42 THIS AND WE'RE ASKING A LOT.
02:41:44 BUT IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS SO COMPLICATED AND SO CRITICAL AND
02:41:46 SO EXPENSIVE.
02:41:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS?
02:41:51 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:41:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN OUR CONVERSATION, I WILL SAY I'M NOT THE
02:41:58 WATER GUY.
02:41:59 I'M NOT THE WATER GUY, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC
02:42:04 HAS WHAT THEY NEED.
02:42:05 I TALKED ABOUT THOSE PR FIRMS.
02:42:12 PEOPLE WILL HAVE A PERCEPTION OR PERCEIVE THAT SOMETHING IS
02:42:14 NOT RIGHT.
02:42:15 SOMETHING IS NOT CLEAN.
02:42:16 JUST LIKE WHEN I SAID IT TO YOU GUYS, IT TURNED OUT JUST
02:42:19 LIKE I SAID I KNEW IT WOULD.
02:42:22 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKS ABOUT -- I SAID SOMEBODY WHO
02:42:26 ACTUALLY KNOWS THE PRODUCT, KNOWS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE,
02:42:30 KNOWS THE INS AND OUT OF WATER, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
02:42:35 YOU GO TO SOME COMMUNITIES, THIS HE HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT
02:42:37 WATER.
02:42:40 THIS IS HOW MUCH COSTS ON MY BILL.
02:42:42 THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING MAKE SURE WE TELL PEOPLE THOSE
02:42:46 DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND ALSO ABILITY TO, FOR A SIXTH GRADER
02:42:52 TO UNDERSTAND IT.
02:42:54 I GET THAT POINT.
02:42:55 THAT'S WHY I SAID FROM THE GET-GO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
02:42:58 WITH A FIRM.
02:42:59 BUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT FIRM.
02:43:01 APPARENTLY YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT FIRM YOU SAY YOU'RE
02:43:04 DOING THE WORK WITH.
02:43:07 MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON OR RIGHT FIRM TO DO THE
02:43:09 JOB.
02:43:10 AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE CAN READ
02:43:13 AND UNDERSTAND IT AND KNOW ABOUT WATER AND REALLY LOOK AT
02:43:15 THE OPTIONS.
02:43:16 AGAIN, I'M NOT A BIG WATER GURU, LIKE MR. MIRANDA, MR.
02:43:20 CARLSON'S PEOPLE, BUT I DO KNOW THERE IS A WAY YOU CAN PUMP
02:43:25 THE WATER, SEWAGE, WHATEVER TO SOMEPLACE ELSE AND STORE IT,
02:43:27 I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING ALL OUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHEN
02:43:31 THERE MAY BE SIMPLE OPTIONS THAT ARE CHEAPER.
02:43:33 MAYBE NOT CHEAPER BUT MAYBE A SIMPLE OPTION THAT'S LESS
02:43:37 COST.
02:43:37 THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
02:43:39 WHAT IS THE BEST OPTION, NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO HAVE OR
02:43:42 DO, BUT WHAT IS THE BEST OPTION TO GET FROM A TO B TO SAY WE
02:43:46 HAVE A GOOD COST MEASURE FOR THE CITIZENS.
02:43:48 >>WHIT REMER: THOSE ARE THE EXACT QUESTIONS WE WOULD LIKE TO
02:43:51 ANSWER, TOO, SIR.
02:43:52 >>BILL CARLSON: HOPEFULLY MAKE THIS MY FINAL COMMENTS.
02:43:55 APPRECIATE YOUR DISCRETION.
02:43:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:43:56 >>BILL CARLSON: WE'VE APPROVED TWO OR THREE TIMES BEFORE
02:44:00 BUDGETS THAT INCLUDED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
02:44:02 I USED TO BE IN THIS BUSINESS.
02:44:03 I GAVE IT UP FOUR YEARS AGO.
02:44:06 I'M NOT IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BUSINESS ANYMORE.
02:44:09 IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT MUCH TIME TO WRITE A PLAN.
02:44:11 WITH ALL THE TWO OR THREE MILLION DOLLARS WE'VE SPENT SO FAR
02:44:15 WE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOME OUTLINE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN.
02:44:17 IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN SEVEN MEETINGS TO START WITH.
02:44:20 WE NEED TO FULLY ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.
02:44:22 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OUTLINE, WHEN IT INCLUDES THINGS
02:44:25 LIKE A BRANDING MANUAL, FIRST OF ALL, THE NAME PURE IS
02:44:28 MISLEADING TO THE PUBLIC.
02:44:30 BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO
02:44:34 MODIFY THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU COME BACK BECAUSE WE'VE
02:44:38 GIVEN YOU SOME FEEDBACK.
02:44:39 YOU HEARD FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC THIS MORNING.
02:44:41 YOU'LL MEET TOMORROW WITH SOME STAKEHOLDERS.
02:44:43 LET'S MODIFY IT AND SHOW US HOW YOU LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC.
02:44:46 LET'S START NOW.
02:44:47 ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE MARKETING OF IT IT'S BEEN PRESENTED
02:44:50 I THINK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THE PLAN, TO
02:44:53 DROUGHT-PROOF TAMPA.
02:44:54 THAT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL.
02:44:56 THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
02:44:57 THE REAL REASON WE NEED IT IS BECAUSE THE STATE IS FORCING
02:45:00 US TO DO IT.
02:45:01 THERE'S NO OTHER JUSTIFIABLE REASON FOR IT.
02:45:04 THAT IS AN ASPIRATION OF MAYBE YOUR DEPARTMENT OR THE WATER
02:45:06 DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.
02:45:08 THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
02:45:10 I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO GOOGLE -- MAYOR SAID TO ME I
02:45:13 GUESS YOU DON'T THINK WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE
02:45:15 OF THE FUTURE.
02:45:16 YES, IT IS.
02:45:16 THAT'S WHY I HELPED CREATE TAMPA BAY WATER IN 1998 IF YOU
02:45:19 GOOGLE IT.
02:45:20 TAMPA BAY IS UNLIKE EVERY OTHER REGION IN THE WORLD.
02:45:23 WE'RE A CASE STUDY IN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE
02:45:26 WATER PROBLEMS THAT OTHER AREAS HAVE.
02:45:28 THIS, IF IT'S PUT TOGETHER IN THE WRONG WAY, THREATENS TO
02:45:31 PULL THAT APART.
02:45:31 AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEEDS OF OUR WATER SUPPLY, WE DON'T
02:45:35 NEED 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
02:45:37 THE REGION IS NOT GOING TO NEED IT FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.
02:45:40 WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE REAL PROBLEMS.
02:45:40 IF WE CAN GET DEP TO PROVIDE AN EXTENSION HONESTLY, THEN WE
02:45:44 CAN SIT DOWN AND HAVE AN HONEST DISCUSSION OF WHAT DO WE DO
02:45:46 WITH THIS RESOURCE.
02:45:47 THE MAYOR SAYS IT'S WASTE.
02:45:49 OKAY.
02:45:49 YOU SAY THAT IT'S GOT NUTRIENTS, YES, BUT YOU ALSO SAID IT'S
02:45:52 CLEANER THAN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
02:45:53 SO LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE RIGHT SOLUTIONS ARE AND LET'S BE
02:45:55 HONEST ABOUT THE MARKETING AND NOT SAY THINGS LIKE LET'S
02:45:58 DROUGHT-PROOF TAMPA, OR WHATEVER.
02:46:00 LET'S SAY WE'VE GOT THESE RESOURCES.
02:46:01 WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THESE CONSTRAINTS TO FIGURE OUT
02:46:03 WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THIS?
02:46:05 AND WHAT'S BEST FOR RATEPAYERS?
02:46:06 WHAT'S BEST FOR THE ENVIRONMENT?
02:46:08 I HOPE ALSO IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'LL PUT SOME PARAMETERS
02:46:11 AROUND WHAT THE COMMUNICATION FIRMS CAN DO.
02:46:13 BECAUSE IF WE START SEEING DOCUMENTS AND VIDEOS THAT ARE
02:46:16 SELLING THIS TO THE PUBLIC AND SAYING, OH, LOOK, DRINKING
02:46:19 POTTY WATER IS A GOOD IDEA, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY OFFENSIVE
02:46:22 TO THE PUBLIC.
02:46:22 IT NEEDS TO BE HONEST ENGAGEMENT.
02:46:24 THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS ON THE ALTERNATIVES, THE
02:46:27 ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT ALL-INCLUSIVE AND THEY ARE NOT RIGHT.
02:46:31 THERE'S NO REASON THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD HAVE TO SPEND TWO
02:46:34 TO SIX BILLION DOLLARS ON THIS.
02:46:36 THAT'S YOUR NUMBERS THAT YOUR CONSULTANTS PRESENTED TO US.
02:46:40 LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE WHERE OUR
02:46:43 RATEPAYERS DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING.
02:46:44 IF WE CAN SELL IT TO POLK COUNTY OR TAMPA BAY WATER OR PASCO
02:46:46 COUNTY OR WHOMEVER AND MAKE MONEY ON IT FOR THE NEXT 20, 30
02:46:49 YEARS, WHY WOULDN'T WE DO THAT?
02:46:52 >>WHIT REMER: WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW,
02:46:54 COUNCILMAN.
02:46:54 THE REASON WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS BECAUSE
02:46:57 THE COUNCIL ASKED US NOT TO DO ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT UNTIL
02:47:00 WE DID AN ANALYSIS ON ALL THE ALTERNATIVES.
02:47:03 WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO OUT AND DO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON
02:47:05 JUST THE SELECT FEW.
02:47:06 WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE DID ALL OF THEM.
02:47:08 >>BILL CARLSON: THE FIRST CONVERSATION AFTER FEBRUARY SHOULD
02:47:11 HAVE BEEN, LOOK, WE DID THE ANALYSIS, HERE THE ALTERNATIVES.
02:47:15 WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES?
02:47:16 I SAW THEM IN THE DOCUMENT A FEW DAYS AGO.
02:47:20 IF YOU GUYS KEEP BLINDSIDING US, WE'LL HAVE CONVERSATIONS
02:47:24 LIKE THIS, LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS OFF-LINE AND TRY TO
02:47:26 WORK COLLABORATIVELY TO GET THIS DONE, WORK WITH THE
02:47:28 COMMUNITY TO GET THINGS DONE.
02:47:29 THANK YOU.
02:47:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY, IT'S NOTHING TO DO, BUT
02:47:35 JUST TO SET THE TONE.
02:47:37 IN 1998, THE CITY OF TAMPA OFFERED TO SELL WATER --
02:48:22 [AUDIO CUTTING IN AND OUT]
02:49:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CALL ME WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL ME.
02:49:16 THAT WAS 1998.
02:49:17 THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
02:49:19 YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU SEE A SPORT DOCUMENT THIS BIG
02:49:22 AND I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST SPORTS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK ABOUT
02:49:26 SIX PAGES OF WHAT IT SAYS.
02:49:27 IN THOSE SIX PAGES, YOU BETTER HOLD ON TO YOUR STRAPS
02:49:31 BECAUSE YOU WON'T HAVE YOUR PANTS ON WHEN THEY FINISH WITH
02:49:34 YOU.
02:49:34 THAT'S THE SAME THING HAPPENING IN A DIFFERENT AREA,
02:49:37 DIFFERENT TONE IN THE WAY THEY DO IT.
02:49:39 HERE IS A CONTRACT, 2038.
02:49:42 THEY DON'T TELL YOU IN THAT CONTRACT THERE IS ANOTHER THING
02:49:44 THAT SAYS YOU CAN NEVER GET OUT UNLESS THERE'S DEBT.
02:49:47 SO GUESS WHAT, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET OUT.
02:49:50 IF THERE'S DEBT.
02:49:52 SO I HAVE CONSISTENTLY VOTED AGAINST THE BUDGET AND I'VE
02:49:57 DONE IT ONE OR TWO YEARS IN A ROW BECAUSE THAT CONTRACT HAS
02:50:01 TWO ENDINGS.
02:50:02 I WANT WHOEVER PROCEEDS US, ME, ESPECIALLY, THEY HAVE TO
02:50:07 THEN HAVE A LITIGATION MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN 2038 WHEN I'M LONG
02:50:11 GONE AND DRIED LIKE ONE OF THE NUTS FALLING OFF A TREE,
02:50:15 THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
02:50:16 FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE AN AVENUE OF SUCCESS OF TALKING ABOUT
02:50:20 SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 30 OR 40 YEARS BEFORE THEY GOT
02:50:23 THERE.
02:50:23 THAT'S ALL I TRY TO DO.
02:50:25 IF YOU ASK ME, DO I BELONG THERE, NONE OF US BELONG THERE
02:50:29 AND ELECTED OFFICIALS SITTING DOWN WITH THE PROS THAT ARE
02:50:33 THE ONES THERE.
02:50:34 WE NEED THE PEOPLE FROM EVERY WATER DISTRICT, THEIR
02:50:37 ENGINEERS AND THEIR PEOPLE WHO KNOW WATER AND EVERYTHING
02:50:39 ELSE TO SIT ON THAT BOARD SO THAT THEY CAN REPORT BACK TO
02:50:42 THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
02:50:44 THE ELECTED OFFICIALS DO NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS DO
02:50:49 20, 30 YEARS PRODUCING WATER.
02:50:51 I HATE TO SAY IT, I ADMIT IT.
02:50:52 NOW SOMEBODY ELSE ADMIT THAT'S ON THE BOARD.
02:51:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'D LIKE TO -- TO THE PUBLIC, WE ARE SEVEN
02:51:09 DIFFERENT COUNCIL PEOPLE, AND WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS.
02:51:13 WE HAVE ONE VOTE EACH, AND THE OPINION OF ONE DOES NOT MEAN
02:51:18 THE OPINION OF THIS BODY AS A WHOLE.
02:51:22 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE NUMBER CM 21-71670, CHIEF
02:51:32 O'CONNOR.
02:51:38 >>MARY O'CONNOR: GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
02:51:40 CHIEF MARY O'CONNOR TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT VICTIM
02:51:43 ADVOCACY.
02:51:44 I'M ALSO MET HERE WITH ELLIOT, PATRICIA, AND JAY FROM
02:51:49 VARIOUS COMMUNITY PROGRAMS THAT ALSO REPRESENT THE SUPPORT
02:51:53 OF VICTIM ADVOCACY.
02:51:54 WHEN I SPEAK ABOUT VICTIM ADVOCACY, I DON'T ONLY SPEAK ABOUT
02:51:58 LIVING VICTIMS THAT WERE VICTIMS OF CRIMES.
02:52:00 I ALSO SPEAK ABOUT THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND THE PARENTS AND
02:52:03 LOVED ONES THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE THE ADVOCACY MEANS
02:52:06 JUST AS MUCH TO THE LIVING VICTIMS AS IT DOES TO THESE
02:52:09 FAMILY MEMBERS HERE THAT LOST THEIR CHILDREN TO GUN
02:52:12 VIOLENCE.
02:52:12 WHEN I WAS FIRST APPOINTED AS CHIEF A FEW MONTHS AGO, I
02:52:16 IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WAS A CRITICAL NEED TO BRIDGE THE GAP
02:52:19 BETWEEN POLICE SERVICES AND OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE
02:52:21 AVAILABLE TO VICTIMS.
02:52:23 AS WE ARE ALL VERY WELL AWARE, MENTAL HEALTH IN OUR
02:52:26 COMMUNITY AND WELLNESS FOR ALL IS PARAMOUNT TO OUR SUCCESS
02:52:30 AND SHOULD BE A PRIORITY TO ALL.
02:52:33 HOWEVER, THE PROCESS FOR VICTIMS TO GET SERVICES IS COMPLEX
02:52:37 AND REALLY CAN USE THAT PERSON TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.
02:52:42 THERE IS NO CURRENT PROGRAM AT TPD THAT HAS SPECIFIC FOR
02:52:48 VICTIM ADVOCACY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT.
02:52:51 THE OBVIOUS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM IS BUILT ON
02:52:54 RELATIONSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS.
02:52:55 THAT'S WHY I THINK OUR EMPLOYEE WILL BEGIN WITH LEADING THE
02:53:01 EFFORT IN COORDINATING SERVICES WITH OUR VICTIMS.
02:53:04 THE VICTIM ADVOCATE CAN WORK HAND IN HAND WITH OUR LOCAL AND
02:53:07 FEDERAL PARTNERS.
02:53:08 THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
02:53:12 PART OF VICTIM ADVOCACY I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS
02:53:14 THE EXPLANATION OF WHAT'S NEXT FOR VICTIMS.
02:53:17 I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MYSTERY SOMETIMES IN THE CRIMINAL
02:53:21 JUSTICE SYSTEM.
02:53:22 I'LL LET THE INDIVIDUALS BEHIND ME SPEAK IN JUST A MOMENT
02:53:25 ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR THEM AS WELL.
02:53:27 BUT THERE'S ALSO EXTERNAL PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN BRIDGE THESE
02:53:32 VICTIMS TO LIKE CLERGY, THE FRANCISCAN CENTER LOCALLY HERE
02:53:36 IN TAMPA DOES A GOOD PROGRAM WHERE THEY DO TRAUMA RECOVERY
02:53:39 FOR VICTIMS AND THEN ALSO GRIEF COUNSELING AND OTHER TYPES
02:53:42 OF SERVICES.
02:53:43 SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PROJECT UP AND
02:53:48 RUNNING.
02:53:49 THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GRAND FUNDING THAT IS COMING
02:53:52 OUT OF WASHINGTON FOR SERVICES SUCH AS THESE.
02:53:54 WE RECENTLY APPLIED FOR A COMMUNITY-BASED VIOLENCE
02:53:57 INTERVENTION AND PREVENTION GRANT.
02:53:59 IT'S A $1.5 MILLION GRANT.
02:54:01 ONLY FIVE POLICE DEPARTMENTS -- SORRY, FIVE CITIES IN THE
02:54:05 UNITED STATES WILL BE GRANTED THE MONEY.
02:54:08 WE WILL KNOW BY OCTOBER 1st.
02:54:10 BUT SOME OF THE MONEY IS EARMARKED FOR VICTIM ADVOCACY
02:54:14 SERVICES AND SUPPORT OF GROUPS LIKE RISE UP FOR PEACE AND
02:54:18 ADVOCATES FOR SAFER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE JOINED HERE WITH ME
02:54:21 TODAY.
02:54:21 IF GIVEN THIS GRANT MONEY THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES A VERY
02:54:24 COMPREHENSIVE BUILDING OF A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE CAN
02:54:28 FOLLOW STEP BY STEP WITH OUR PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
02:54:30 ARE ACTUALLY ACHIEVING GOALS AND LEADING TOWARDS THE
02:54:35 IMPROVEMENT OF THE VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
02:54:38 LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON
02:54:40 RIGHT NOW.
02:54:41 I THINK WITH A VICTIM ADVOCATE POSITION, WE CAN HAVE SOMEONE
02:54:45 ADVOCATE, IF YOU WILL, TO LOOK FOR THAT TYPE OF FUNDING AND
02:54:48 OBVIOUSLY REACH OUT FOR IT.
02:54:49 WE DO HAVE GRANT WRITERS FOR THE CITY THAT CAN HELP US WITH
02:54:52 THAT.
02:54:53 SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE VICTIM ADVOCATE CAN DO,
02:54:55 LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT BRIDGING THOSE GAPS IS WORKING WITH
02:54:59 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, WHICH DOES HAVE A FUND
02:55:03 SPECIFICALLY AVAILABLE FOR COMPENSATION OF VICTIMS, WHETHER
02:55:06 IT BE RELOCATION EXPENSES OR TRANSPORTATION EXPENSES OR
02:55:11 FUNERAL EXPENSES.
02:55:12 THERE ARE, AGAIN, GRIEF COUNSELING.
02:55:15 THERE'S ASSISTANCE WITH REPLACEMENT OF IMPORTANT PROPERTY OR
02:55:18 PAPERS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LOST IN THE VICTIMIZATION OF THE
02:55:21 CRIMES.
02:55:22 THERE'S A PLETHORA OF PROGRAMS BUT I THINK THE MOST
02:55:24 IMPORTANT THING IS TO KNOW WHERE THAT GAP IS BETWEEN US AND
02:55:28 THE PROGRAMS.
02:55:29 THAT'S WHERE VICTIM ADVOCACY IS SO IMPORTANT.
02:55:31 THE SECOND THING THAT'S ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR THE MOTION WAS
02:55:35 A MONUMENT DEDICATED SPECIFICALLY TO CRIME VICTIMS.
02:55:41 I BROUGHT MY FRIENDS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MONUMENT.
02:55:45 I THINK WHAT WE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE TO DO IS
02:55:48 PARTNER WITH THE GROUPS IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SO
02:55:50 DEDICATED TO VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE TO VISUALIZE AND COME UP
02:55:54 WITH WHAT WE THINK THE MONUMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THEN
02:55:58 TURN IT OVER TO OUR ARTS AND CULTURAL COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH
02:56:00 THEM TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE MONUMENT.
02:56:02 ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
02:56:04 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCIL, IF I MAY.
02:56:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:56:07 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU
02:56:11 SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL OF THE WORK INTO
02:56:16 THIS AND WHATNOT.
02:56:17 I SEE A LOT OF MY FRIENDS AND YOUR FRIENDS BEHIND YOU THERE.
02:56:21 I THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOUR EXCELLENT EMPHASIS ON VICTIMS
02:56:25 OF CRIME.
02:56:26 IT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES OF OUR TIME AS WE READ ABOUT
02:56:29 ESCALATING CRIME IN A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITIES, ALL THOSE
02:56:33 CRIMES LEAVE BEHIND A VICTIM WHICH I KNOW IS THE CAUSE OF
02:56:37 YOUR LIFE, THE CAUSE OF THE LIFE OF PEOPLE IN LAW
02:56:39 ENFORCEMENT, AND IT'S BECOME THROUGH TRAGEDY THE CAUSE OF
02:56:42 THE LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STANDING BEHIND YOU THROUGH
02:56:46 PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT.
02:56:47 AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, VICTIMS OF CRIME HAVE GOT TO BE ON OUR
02:56:51 MIND ALWAYS.
02:56:52 THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION.
02:56:54 I KNOW FOR THIS COUNCIL IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DOING.
02:56:58 IT HAS TO BE TRUE IN ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES AND ALL OF
02:57:01 OUR CITIES.
02:57:01 ALL TOO OFTEN PEOPLE IN OUR POSITIONS, I THINK, DON'T OFTEN
02:57:05 TALK ABOUT VICTIMS OF CRIME THE WAY THAT WE SHOULD.
02:57:09 WE MISS THAT ISSUE.
02:57:10 WE MISS THAT ISSUE.
02:57:12 LIKE I SAID BEFORE, HOW YOU DEAL WITH A VICTIM OF CRIME, HOW
02:57:15 YOU DEAL WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN BATTERED OR SOMEBODY
02:57:19 WHOSE SON OR DAUGHTER TAKEN FROM THEM, MURDERED, ET CETERA,
02:57:23 THAT IS A SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUE.
02:57:25 THAT IS AN ISSUE OF SOCIAL JUSTICE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE
02:57:27 FOLKS WHO ARE LIVING IN COMMUNITIES BATTERED BY CRIME ARE
02:57:30 LIVING IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OFTEN LEFT BEHIND BY STATES,
02:57:34 BY COUNTRIES, BY CITIES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
02:57:37 I ALWAYS SAY THAT THE ISSUE OF VICTIMS OF CRIME IT AFFECTS
02:57:41 ALL OF US.
02:57:41 IT'S ON ALL OF US TO DO OUR PART TO STAND WITH VICTIMS OF
02:57:45 CRIME.
02:57:45 I DON'T CARE IF YOU LIVE IN TAMPA PALMS, HUNTER GREENS,
02:57:48 BAYSHORE, PALMER CEIA, WHEREVER IT MAY BE, IT'S CERTAINLY
02:57:53 SOMETHING ON ALL OF US.
02:57:55 YOU'RE ON THIS, CHIEF, I THANK YOU FOR THIS IS REALLY
02:57:58 TWOFOLD, WHICH IS, NUMBER ONE SOME SORT OF, LIKE YOU SAID, A
02:58:03 MEMORIAL.
02:58:04 I'M HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH
02:58:07 THAT.
02:58:07 I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT.
02:58:08 NUMBER TWO IS, SOME SORT OF FORMAL VICTIMS OF CRIME PROGRAM
02:58:14 WHICH WOULD BE MULTIFACETED, WHICH IS, NUMBER ONE, LIKE YOU
02:58:18 SAID, TALKING ABOUT THE MONETARY SUPPORT.
02:58:22 WE DO HAVE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS OUT THERE WITH THE ATTORNEY
02:58:24 GENERAL'S OFFICE, STATE ATTORNEY AND OTHERS, BUT WHEN THOSE
02:58:27 PROGRAMS CAN'T FIT THE BILL, HAVING A LINE ITEM SET ASIDE TO
02:58:31 BE ABLE TO HELP AND ASSIST FOR THOSE SITUATIONS, FOR THOSE
02:58:34 MORE ACUTE CRIMES, LIKE MR. JOHNSON ALWAYS SAYS, HE SAYS
02:58:39 THAT WHEN A LOVED ONE OF YOUR FAMILY DIES OR LEAVES YOU, THE
02:58:43 RENT IS STILL DUE.
02:58:45 ALSO, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MAYBE IN WORKING WITH THE
02:58:48 FRANCISCAN CENTER OR SOME GROUP LIKE THAT, FOR MENTAL HEALTH
02:58:53 COUNSELING FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME.
02:58:54 SO I THANK YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE STANDING BEHIND YOU FOR
02:58:58 ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR YOUR LIFE'S PASSION ON THIS
02:59:01 ISSUE.
02:59:01 I THANK COUNCIL FOR SUPPORTING THIS.
02:59:04 I'LL BE MAKING THE MOTION AT THE END, IF I MAY.
02:59:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:59:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
02:59:10 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:59:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF AND ALL OF
02:59:15 THOSE AROUND THE PROGRAM.
02:59:17 WHEN YOU LISTEN AND HEAR THINGS ON TELEVISION, YOU SEE A
02:59:20 CLOSURE.
02:59:21 THERE REALLY NEVER IS CLOSURE.
02:59:23 THERE IS A FEELING THAT YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING, BUT
02:59:25 CLOSURE DOESN'T SIT THERE.
02:59:28 AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK MANY YEARS AGO, I HAD AN UNCLE THAT
02:59:32 WENT TO DELIVER SOMETHING TO THE POST OFFICE AND HE WAS SHOT
02:59:35 IN THE BACK AND KILLED.
02:59:36 AND THAT SAME NIGHT, THE SAME GUY WHO SHOT HIM, WAS SHOT IN
02:59:43 A BAR.
02:59:44 GOT HIM WITH A SHOTGUN.
02:59:46 DO I UNDERSTAND IT ALL?
02:59:47 NO.
02:59:48 I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORDS AVAILABLE FOR YOURSELVES AND FOR
02:59:51 OTHERS LIKE YOU WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS TRAGEDY.
02:59:54 IT'S NEVER CLOSURE.
02:59:55 IT'S DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
02:59:57 YOU THINK OF WHAT IF, HOW COME, WHY ME?
03:00:01 ALL THOSE THINGS COME TO MIND.
03:00:04 DURING THE LAST -- YOU MUST THINK OF THAT TEN MILLION TIMES
03:00:09 AND ALL OF US WOULD DO THE SAME THING YOU'RE DOING.
03:00:11 THANK YOU FOR HOLDING UP.
03:00:12 I THINK I'VE SEEN ONE OR TWO OF YOU ON TELEVISION AND YOU
03:00:15 LOOK BETTER IN PERSON.
03:00:17 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE.
03:00:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:00:23 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
03:00:24 I KNOW THAT FROM THE FIRST PRESENTATION YOU GAVE YOU SAID
03:00:27 ONE OF YOUR GOALS IS TO REDUCE THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE.
03:00:31 YOU'RE WORKING HARD TO DO THAT AND PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT
03:00:34 WE NEED TO BE TO RESOLVE THAT.
03:00:36 I THINK THIS MORNING'S APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACTS WAS ONE
03:00:38 THING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE BEST PEOPLE OUT TO CONTINUE
03:00:41 TO DO THAT.
03:00:41 TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS HERE, WE HEARD SOME OR ALL OF YOUR
03:00:45 STORIES BEFORE.
03:00:46 AS A FATHER, IT BREAKS MY HEART TO HEAR YOUR STORIES.
03:00:49 I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL COMMITMENT, IF THERE'S
03:00:52 SOMETHING YOU THINK I SHOULD BE DOING TO HELP YOU, PLEASE
03:00:55 CALL ME.
03:00:55 I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU BEFORE BUT CALL ME IF YOU WANT TO
03:00:58 TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE POLICE
03:01:01 DEPARTMENT AND ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO FIX THIS,
03:01:04 BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANY OTHER STORIES TO HAVE TO GO
03:01:06 THROUGH WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH.
03:01:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:01:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, FOR
03:01:12 BRINGING THIS UP.
03:01:13 THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR HARD WORK
03:01:17 AND YOUR DEDICATION.
03:01:18 I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE OF YOUR SUFFERING.
03:01:20 WHEN WE SAY THERE ARE NO WORDS, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT
03:01:24 YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND SO MANY PEOPLE.
03:01:27 AND NO ONE ELSE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS.
03:01:30 I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE ALL WORKING TOGETHER WHERE WE'RE
03:01:32 HERE TO SUPPORT YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S NOT HERE, AND
03:01:36 THEN WE CAN MAKE THIS A COMMUNITY A SAFER PLACE, BUT ALSO
03:01:40 KNOW THAT WE HAVE YOUR BACK AND THAT YOU'RE NOT ALONE AND
03:01:44 THE CITY AND OTHERS ARE HERE FOR YOU.
03:01:46 SO THANK YOU.
03:01:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
03:01:49 CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR THIS.
03:01:53 COUNCILMAN VIERA, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
03:01:56 WHEN A PERSON USES A KNIFE OR A GUN AND TAKES A LIFE, THEY
03:02:01 ARE NOT ONLY RUINING THEIR LIVES BUT THEY ARE AFFECTING SO
03:02:04 MANY OTHER PEOPLE -- FAMILIES, FRIENDS.
03:02:10 HOPEFULLY THE MOTION THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA IS GOING TO MAKE
03:02:13 AND YOUR HELP, CHIEF, AND ALL OF YOUR HELP MAY CONVINCE ONE
03:02:18 PERSON NOT TO PULL OUT THAT GUN OR PULL OUT THAT KNIFE SO
03:02:22 THAT WE CAN SAVE SO MANY MORE PEOPLE.
03:02:26 THANK YOU.
03:02:26 COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
03:02:29 >>LUIS VIERA: SURE, MR. CHAIR.
03:02:31 LET ME -- JUST, I GUESS, A SENSE OF COUNCIL.
03:02:38 A HABIT RETURN BACK TO US IN THE BUDGET, FOR THE MONETARY
03:02:44 SUPPORT PROGRAM THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME
03:02:47 AND THEN FOR A MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM TO BE WORKED WITH
03:02:51 EITHER THE FRANCISCAN CENTER OR AN INSTITUTION LIKE THAT TO
03:02:55 BE PLACED IN THE BUDGET TO THE EXTENT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE
03:03:00 THIS YEAR.
03:03:01 AND, HECK, LET'S HAVE IT COME BACK TO US FOR REVIEW IN
03:03:07 DECEMBER.
03:03:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:03:10 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:03:16 I'M SORRY.
03:03:17 WHAT DATE WOULD YOU LIKE THAT, COUNCILMAN VIERA?
03:03:21 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND WEEK IN DECEMBER, IF THAT'S FINE.
03:03:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DECEMBER 15.
03:03:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DECEMBER 15.
03:03:27 >>LUIS VIERA: SOUNDS GOOD.
03:03:28 YES, SIR.
03:03:28 THANK YOU.
03:03:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: REGULAR SESSION.
03:03:32 ALL RIGHT.
03:03:34 WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:03:35 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:03:37 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:03:37 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:03:41 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
03:03:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
03:03:42 THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH.
03:03:45 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE CM 21-71673.
03:04:05 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
03:04:06 FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BRENDA McKENZIE.
03:04:08 I AM THE DIRECTOR OF WORKFORCE PARTNERSHIPS HERE AT THE
03:04:12 CITY.
03:04:13 APPRENTICESHIPS ARE JUST A PROVEN WAY OF A PATH FORWARD.
03:04:18 IT IS A PROVEN PATH FORWARD.
03:04:19 IT'S HONESTLY BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE AS PART OF THE
03:04:23 IMPLEMENTATION TEAM FOR THIS ORDINANCE.
03:04:26 THE ORDINANCE ENCOURAGES PARTICIPATION IN STATE REGISTERED
03:04:29 PROGRAMS.
03:04:30 THE BENEFIT OF STATE REGISTERED PROGRAMS ARE TWOFOLD.
03:04:34 ONE, IT ENSURES THAT WE HAVE THE TALENT THAT WE NEED,
03:04:38 TRAINED AND READY TO GO.
03:04:40 TWO, IT ALSO PROVIDES ECONOMIC MOBILITY FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL,
03:04:45 WHICH IS KEY.
03:04:46 THE STATE OF FLORIDA VETS THE PROGRAMS TO MAKE SURE THEY
03:04:50 MEET INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND THAT THE INDIVIDUALS ARE READY
03:04:54 TO GO FORWARD DAY ONE.
03:04:55 IMPLEMENTING THE ORDINANCE, OUR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING
03:04:59 CLOSELY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND THEIR DIRECTOR,
03:05:04 KATHLEEN WHEELER, AS WELL AS THE REGIONAL COORDINATORS.
03:05:07 THE STATE HAS BEEN HELPFUL IN SHARING INFORMATION ON
03:05:11 EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT ARE HERE AND ALSO OFFERING TO HELP
03:05:16 INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES THAT WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN
03:05:19 APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS TO FIT THEIR SPECIAL NEEDS.
03:05:21 THE CITY HAS MADE THESE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC
03:05:26 BOTH FOR INDIVIDUALS LOOKING TO PARTICIPATE IN
03:05:29 APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS AND ALSO THE COMPANIES WANTING TO
03:05:32 KNOW WHAT APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE.
03:05:36 AND THOSE ARE AVAILABLE ON THE TAMPA WORKS, TPAWRX, WEBSITE.
03:05:43 THE CITY CENTER AT HANNA IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO FALL UNDER
03:05:47 THIS ORDINANCE.
03:05:49 PER THE ORDINANCE, 12 PERCENT OF THE LABOR HOURS HAVE TO GO
03:05:53 TOWARDS APPRENTICESHIPS.
03:05:55 THERE IS A NUANCE TO THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, AS YOU KNOW,
03:05:58 BECAUSE IT'S YOUR ORDINANCE, THAT THOSE HOURS -- THE
03:06:04 DENOMINATOR TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION WHERE ACTUAL
03:06:07 APPRENTICESHIPS EXIST AND THERE ARE SOME NUANCES IN THAT.
03:06:10 WE'RE WORKING WITH THE STATE AND THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY TO
03:06:13 MAKE SURE THAT THE DENOMINATOR WERE SET ON THEIR METHODOLOGY
03:06:17 SO WHEN WE PRESENT THE NUMBERS TO YOU WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT
03:06:20 IT'S REALLY MEETING THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.
03:06:22 WE'VE BEEN WORKING JOINTLY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE TEAM AND
03:06:26 THE DEVELOPER AND THE CONTRACTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
03:06:30 COMPLIANT WITH OUR SUBMISSION AND WE'RE CURRENTLY REFINING
03:06:34 NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DENOMINATOR IS EXPLAINABLE
03:06:37 AND UNDERSTANDABLE BOTH TO US AND THEN TO YOU.
03:06:40 WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THESE RESOLVED WITHIN THE
03:06:44 NEXT WEEK TO TEN DAYS.
03:06:46 I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT NEXT WEEK BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION
03:06:49 WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN OWNER'S REP FOR THIS
03:06:52 PROJECT, THAT OWNER'S REP WILL INCLUDE BOTH CONSTRUCTION
03:06:56 MANAGEMENT, REVIEW OF EBO AND THE APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE
03:07:00 COMPLIANCE AS WELL.
03:07:01 THE ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO DEVELOP OPPORTUNITIES TO
03:07:04 RAISE AWARENESS THROUGH FAIRS, FOCUS GROUPS, WORKING WITH
03:07:09 EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS KNOW
03:07:12 THE BENEFITS OF PARTICIPATING IN THESE PROGRAMS.
03:07:15 WITH ME TODAY IS BRANDON FACINI WHO IS WITH DPR CONSTRUCTION
03:07:22 IN CASE YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THEIR EFFORTS WITH
03:07:24 APPRENTICESHIPS.
03:07:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HANG ON ONE SECOND, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:07:35 WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WILL SPEAK AND THEN I'LL GO TO YOU
03:07:38 FIRST BECAUSE YOU ARE THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
03:07:46 >> I'M BRANDON FACINI WITH DPR CONSTRUCTION, AND I REPRESENT
03:07:50 THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
03:07:51 I'M HERE TO REPRESENT OUR CLIENT, WHICH IS THE CITY OF TAMPA
03:07:56 AND BRENDA McKENZIE.
03:07:58 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE APPRENTICESHIP, I
03:08:01 WOULD GLADLY GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AVAILABLE AT
03:08:04 THE TIME.
03:08:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU ARE THE MAKER OF THE
03:08:06 MOTION, I'LL GO TO YOU FIRST.
03:08:08 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
03:08:09 I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
03:08:10 I MADE THIS MOTION, I RECALL, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THIS
03:08:16 APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE IS GOING TO BE DOING IN THIS
03:08:18 PROJECT.
03:08:19 THIS LARGE PROJECT IS REALLY THE FIRST DEMONSTRATION OF THIS
03:08:23 APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE WHICH I KNOW WE'RE ALL VERY, VERY
03:08:27 PROUD OF.
03:08:28 IT DOES A LOT TO PRODUCE A PATHWAY TO THE MIDDLE CLASS FOR A
03:08:33 LOT OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THIS
03:08:35 IS CERTAINLY GOING TO BE ONE OF THEM.
03:08:38 BUT AS WAS INDICATED BEFORE, ALL APPRENTICESHIPS AND ALL
03:08:43 PROGRAMS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM HAVE GOT TO BE
03:08:46 STATE-CERTIFIED APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE WANT TO
03:08:49 MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE BEST QUALITY, THAT IT'S SANCTIONED
03:08:53 AND APPROVED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND THAT IS APPARENTLY
03:08:57 WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE ACCORDING TO WHAT I'M HEARING.
03:09:02 THAT'S IT AT THIS TIME.
03:09:03 THANK YOU, SIR.
03:09:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:09:08 >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN MAKING AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, WHAT
03:09:11 TYPES OF THINGS ARE REQUIRED OF AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM?
03:09:14 CAN ANYONE JUST KIND OF SLAP ONE TOGETHER OR -- NO, I'M JUST
03:09:18 ASKING.
03:09:19 ARE THERE REGULATIONS?
03:09:19 ARE THERE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS?
03:09:22 >> THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNCIL CHOSE
03:09:25 STATE-APPROVED PROGRAMS, THEY FOLLOW DOL FEDERAL STANDARDS
03:09:30 IN TERMS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL CURRICULUM.
03:09:33 AND IT REALLY IS RIGOROUS.
03:09:34 IT'S NOT LIKE A THREE-MONTH PROGRAM AND YOU'RE OUT.
03:09:37 THESE ARE TWO-, THREE-YEAR SUCCESSIVE PROGRAMS THAT AT THE
03:09:43 END OF THE PROGRAM, THE INDIVIDUAL WILL HAVE ON-THE-JOB
03:09:46 TRAINING, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT, AS WELL AS CLASSROOM HOURS,
03:09:49 WHICH A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE IS A
03:09:51 CLASSROOM COMPONENT TO THIS, SO THAT WHEN THEY ARE FINISHED,
03:09:53 THEY ARE ABLE TO WORK ON ANY CONSTRUCTION SITE.
03:09:57 THEY ARE CERTIFIED.
03:09:58 PEOPLE CAN TRUST THAT THE TRAINING IS SOUND AND THEY ARE
03:10:00 REALLY READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
03:10:02 IT'S TRULY A PATHWAY TO THE MIDDLE CLASS THAT DOESN'T
03:10:05 REQUIRE COLLEGE.
03:10:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR THE CONTRACTOR IS, IF
03:10:09 IT TAKES TWO TO THREE YEARS, SO YOU GUARANTEE EMPLOYMENT FOR
03:10:13 THE APPRENTICE FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS.
03:10:17 >> I WOULDN'T SAY WE NECESSARILY GUARANTEE EMPLOYMENT, BUT
03:10:20 THE PROGRAM IS ESTABLISHED TO BE A TWO-TO-THREE-YEAR
03:10:24 PROGRAM.
03:10:24 THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BASED OFF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE EMPLOYEE.
03:10:27 WE HIRE ON THAT PARTICULAR PERSON IN SOME CASES FOR OUR
03:10:32 PARTICULAR APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT
03:10:36 ALREADY WORKED FOR US A COUPLE OF YEARS.
03:10:38 IT IS THE INTENT THAT THEY STAY ON FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS
03:10:41 AND COMPLETE THAT PROGRAM.
03:10:44 BUT IN THEORY THAT NECESSARILY MIGHT NOT WORK OUT EVERY
03:10:47 TIME, BUT IT'S OUR GOAL TO SUPPORT AND UPLIFT THAT EMPLOYEE
03:10:52 TO COMPLETE A TWO- TO THREE-YEAR PROGRAM.
03:10:55 >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ARE THE AVERAGE WAGES THAT YOU GIVE TO
03:10:58 THESE APPRENTICES?
03:11:01 >> THE WAGES DEPEND.
03:11:04 I KNOW THAT'S NOT A GREAT ANSWER, BUT JUST INDUSTRY
03:11:08 STANDARD, A LOT OF THE APPRENTICES ARE ENTRY LEVEL.
03:11:13 SO IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, PROBABLY WELL BEYOND THE
03:11:18 MINIMUM WAGE JUST GIVEN THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THAT'S IN THE
03:11:22 INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW.
03:11:24 BUT THAT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT TRADE THEY ARE, IF THEY ARE
03:11:28 A CARPENTER, IF THEY ARE A PIPE FITTER.
03:11:30 IF THEY ARE A STEEL WORKER, SO IT DOES VARY.
03:11:36 >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:11:37 SO YOU SAID YOU'RE COMING BACK TO US NEXT WEEK AND YOU'LL
03:11:40 HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION.
03:11:42 THE INFORMATION I'M LOOKING FOR IS THE AMOUNT -- THE AVERAGE
03:11:46 WAGES FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS FOR
03:11:50 THIS PROJECT.
03:11:52 I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN EACH PROGRAM, AND I
03:11:55 REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW LONG THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN THE
03:12:01 PROGRAM WORKING FOR THAT PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR.
03:12:05 I'M STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS.
03:12:10 WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE HANNA PROJECT.
03:12:12 WHAT HAPPENS AFTER A YEAR IF THE HANNA PROJECT IS DONE, HOW
03:12:15 DO THOSE PEOPLE GET THEN THE REST OF THEIR EDUCATION?
03:12:22 >> THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT WE'RE USING THE LIST FOR
03:12:26 STATE-APPROVED PROGRAMS.
03:12:27 USUALLY AN ENTITY THAT CAN PROVIDE CONNECTIONS -- THEY ARE A
03:12:30 PROVIDER OF LABOR AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRAIN THAT LABOR TO
03:12:32 DO THAT WORK.
03:12:33 SO IN THIS CASE, DPR IS SELF-PERFORMING FOR SOME.
03:12:39 THEY ARE SAYING I'M CONNECTING WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL.
03:12:42 HIRING THIS INDIVIDUAL.
03:12:43 THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EARN AND LEARN OVER THIS
03:12:46 PERIOD AND CONTINUE WITH US.
03:12:48 IDEALLY WHEN THEY FINISH THE HANNA JOB THAT'S GO ON TO THE
03:12:51 NEXT PROJECT.
03:12:52 >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD HOPE, TOO.
03:12:55 I'M JUST, AGAIN, CURIOUS HOW OFTEN THAT HAPPENS.
03:12:58 JUST A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
03:13:02 THANK YOU.
03:13:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:13:04 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUESTION FOR EACH OF YOU MAYBE.
03:13:06 THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, STATE APPROVAL
03:13:10 APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS.
03:13:11 AND SOME OF THEM ARE RUN BY UNIONS OR INVOLVE COMPANIES
03:13:15 CONNECTED TO UNIONS AND SOME OF THEM ARE NONUNION COMPANIES
03:13:19 THAT HAVE CERTIFICATION.
03:13:20 A QUESTION WE OFTEN GET IS CAN WE PROVIDE PREFERENCE TO ONE
03:13:25 OR THE OTHER?
03:13:26 I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
03:13:28 BUT MAYBE EACH OF YOU COULD SIMPLY ANSWER LIKE HOW WOULD YOU
03:13:33 MAKE A DECISION BETWEEN A UNION SUBCONTRACTOR AND A NONUNION
03:13:38 SUBCONTRACTOR?
03:13:39 ANY PROS AND CONS OF THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS?
03:13:42 >> AS IT RELATES TO THE APPRENTICE, WE ARE AGNOSTIC.
03:13:49 WE ARE LOOKING FOR ORGANIZATIONS TO INVEST IN INDIVIDUALS
03:13:51 AND DO THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PROGRAM SO WHEN THAT
03:13:54 INDIVIDUAL LEAVES THEY REALLY DO HAVE A CAREER TRAJECTORY
03:13:57 THAT WILL LEAD THEM TO THE NEXT STEP.
03:14:00 WHETHER UNION OR NONUNION, THERE ARE VIABLE PROGRAMS THAT
03:14:03 COVER BOTH AND WE'RE JUST BASED ON THE ORDINANCE, THE
03:14:08 CONTRACTOR MUST USE THOSE.
03:14:09 >>BILL CARLSON: ANY --
03:14:12 >> I WOULD ECHO THE SAME.
03:14:15 WE DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT THE
03:14:18 UNIONS DO HAVE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE,
03:14:22 SO IT'S VERY EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO TAP INTO LIKE CERTIFIED
03:14:26 AND TRIED AND TRUE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS WHICH IS
03:14:29 DEFINITELY A PLUS.
03:14:31 SOME OF THE NONUNION SHOPS, THIS IS NEWER FOR THEM, AND THEY
03:14:35 HAVE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS AND SOME OF THEM AREN'T STATE
03:14:39 APPROVED.
03:14:40 AND THERE ARE A FEW THAT ACTUALLY HAVE STATE APPROVED.
03:14:44 IS THAT A PLUS IN COMPLYING WITH THE APPRENTICESHIP
03:14:48 ORDINANCE?
03:14:49 IT IS.
03:14:49 BUT WE ALSO CONSIDER THE QUALIFICATIONS AND GENERAL
03:14:54 COMPETITIVENESS OF THE CONTRACTOR AS WELL.
03:14:58 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
03:15:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
03:15:01 COUNCILMAN VIERA?
03:15:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
03:15:07 NO, NOTHING.
03:15:08 I DID WANT TO SAY THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR POINTS WHEN I
03:15:11 WAS WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND THE LABOR ORGANIZATIONS
03:15:16 AND TALKING ABOUT THIS.
03:15:19 BEFORE OUR GOOD FRIENDS, ANDREA ZELMAN WHO DID A GREAT JOB
03:15:23 AND OTHERS IN WRITING THIS ORDINANCE WAS TO MAKE SURE THIS
03:15:27 APPLIES TO STATE CERTIFIED ONLY, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME
03:15:31 RIGHT, ST. PETERSBURG DID NOT MANDATE STATE CERTIFIED.
03:15:36 SO THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN.
03:15:38 WANTED TO MAKE SURE ALL PROGRAMS THAT WERE SUBJECT TO THIS
03:15:42 ORDINANCE WOULD BE OF THE HIGHEST CALIBER AND STATE
03:15:45 CERTIFIED, OBVIOUSLY, APPROVES OF THAT.
03:15:48 THAT'S IT.
03:15:48 SO NOTHING FURTHER AT THIS TIME.
03:15:50 THANK YOU, SIR.
03:15:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
03:15:56 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 E-2022-8 CHAPTER 19 AND 26.
03:16:17 >>OCEA WYNN: OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND
03:16:19 COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
03:16:21 I SUBMITTED A MEMO REGARDING THE LITTERING FINES.
03:16:26 THE REQUEST WAS TO INVESTIGATE RAISING THE FINES TO $500, TO
03:16:32 A $500 VIOLATION.
03:16:34 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:16:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE REPORT.
03:16:41 I LOOKED IT OVER.
03:16:42 I SPOKE WITH ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS, AND THE NUMBER $450 WAS
03:16:48 WHAT I SAW AND WAS PROMINENT.
03:16:52 WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT COME OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS JUST
03:16:56 TO COUNCIL BUT THEN I HAVE SO MANY THAT CONTACT MY OFFICE.
03:17:00 I'VE GONE ON THE RIVER WITH OTHERS.
03:17:02 I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE LITTER THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE
03:17:06 CITY.
03:17:07 WEST FAMILIAR, EAST TAMPA, SOUTH TAMPA, PEOPLE ARE VERY
03:17:12 RECKLESS IN HOW THEY THROW STUFF OUT THE WINDOW OR DROP IT
03:17:17 WHEREVER THEY SEE FIT.
03:17:20 BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THE OFFENDERS
03:17:24 OR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO REGARD FOR PUTTING THE TRASH IN
03:17:28 THE PROPER PLACE, THEY DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY KIND OF
03:17:31 ENFORCEMENT.
03:17:32 THEY FIGURE POLICE ONLY GIVE OUT SPEEDING TICKETS.
03:17:35 THEY DON'T GIVE OUT LITTERING TICKETS OR CODE ENFORCEMENT,
03:17:38 IT'S NOT IN THEIR PURVIEW AND NOT PART OF THEIR JOB TO DO
03:17:41 THIS.
03:17:42 BUT FROM WHAT I SEE ON THE BOOKS AND READING YOUR MEMO,
03:17:45 $450.
03:17:45 AND I KNOW THERE COULD BE A MISCONCEPTION OF WE'RE TARGETING
03:17:49 A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC OR A GROUP BUT WE CAN SAY THAT FOR
03:17:52 SPEEDING TICKETS OR RED LIGHT TICKETS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
03:17:55 WE HAVE THOSE TYPES OF ENFORCEMENT FOR THOSE OTHER AVENUES.
03:17:58 AND LITTER IS A PROBLEM, HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME.
03:18:02 WE SEE WHAT GOES INTO OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, GETS THROWN OUT
03:18:05 INTO THE RIVER.
03:18:06 I WENT KAYAKING RECENTLY WITH SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY WANTED
03:18:09 ME TO SEE FIRSTHAND.
03:18:10 THEY KAYAK, YOU CAN EASILY PICK UP TRASH AND SEE WHAT IS
03:18:14 PICKED UP ON A REGULAR BASIS.
03:18:16 IT'S AMAZING WHAT ENDS UP IN OUR WATERWAY.
03:18:18 I WANT AND I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR HAS
03:18:23 WANTED TO BE TOUGH ON LITTERING.
03:18:26 WE DID CHRISTEN THE LITTERING BOAT MOST RECENTLY, WHICH WAS
03:18:32 A WORTHY INVESTMENT.
03:18:34 AND WE SEE THE POSITIVE RESPONSE AND WORK THAT THAT BOAT
03:18:39 HAS, AND THE AMOUNT OF TRASH IT'S PICKED UP.
03:18:43 I THINK THIS WOULD JUST PIGGYBACK AND STRENGTHEN MORE THE
03:18:46 MAYOR'S VISION AND I THINK PERHAPS WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE
03:18:49 TO DO AND SEND THE MESSAGE THAT WE'RE TOUGH ON TRASH, TOUGH
03:18:53 ON LITTERING.
03:18:55 WE TALKED ABOUT -- OBVIOUSLY, WE TALK ABOUT WATER A LOT, BUT
03:18:58 I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR WATERWAYS ARE CLEAN.
03:19:00 OUR STORM DRAINS ARE CLEAN, OUR STREETS ARE CLEAN.
03:19:06 IT'S A BAD LOOK.
03:19:08 SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IF I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION, IS
03:19:12 THAT WE SET FIRST OFFENSE LITTERING FINES AT $450.
03:19:19 IN ORDER TO SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE
03:19:24 TAKE THIS VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.
03:19:32 IF YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE BEFORE I CONTINUE WITH THE MOTION.
03:19:34 >>OCEA WYNN: YOU CAN CONTINUE, PLEASE.
03:19:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
03:19:38 WHAT DO YOU THINK?
03:19:39 I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE.
03:19:40 I KNOW SPEEDING TICKETS ARE AROUND $200 AND UP.
03:19:43 I KNOW RED LIGHT CAMERA TICKETS ARE EXPENSIVE.
03:19:47 PERHAPS THIS IS THE KIND OF MESSAGE WE NEED TO SEND, WE TAKE
03:19:50 THIS SERIOUSLY.
03:19:51 I'VE REQUESTED MORE SIGNS FOR VISIBILITY.
03:19:53 I KNOW THERE ARE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS FOR THAT AND WHATNOT.
03:19:56 AT LEAST IF WE CAN USE WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS AT $450
03:20:00 AND IF WE HAVE TO SHIFT IT OVER OR APPLY THAT TO CODE
03:20:05 ENFORCEMENT AND POLICE OFFICERS WHERE THEY HAVE -- IT'S
03:20:07 WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.
03:20:08 IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER IF THEY DON'T WANT
03:20:11 TO ISSUE A WARNING OR SAY, HEY, GIVE THE TICKET FLAT OUT.
03:20:16 IF IT'S SOMETHING EGREGIOUS.
03:20:18 NOT SOMEBODY THROWS A NAPKIN OUT THE WINDOW, DON'T HIT THEM
03:20:21 FOR 450 BUCKS.
03:20:23 IF SOMEBODY IS SEEN WITNESSED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT OR POLICE
03:20:26 DUMPING WHATEVER, SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT OUT THE WINDOW THAT
03:20:29 THEY SHOULD BE HIT WITH THIS TYPE OF FINE, BEING THAT THE
03:20:34 450 WAS ALREADY THERE IN THE CODE.
03:20:36 YES, MA'AM.
03:20:38 >> SIMONE SAVINO, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
03:20:41 I'M STANDING UP TO JOIN OCEA TO JUST REEMPHASIZE WE DO HAVE
03:20:46 SECTION 19-53 ON OUR BOOKS AS A FIRST AND EVERY OFFENSE IT'S
03:20:51 $450.
03:20:52 SO IT DOES EXIST AND IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
03:20:56 WE HEAR YOU.
03:20:58 AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD
03:21:02 CAN ENFORCE.
03:21:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR A MOTION.
03:21:07 IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO SUGGEST THAT POLICE AND CODE
03:21:10 ENFORCEMENT BETTER MONITOR OR NOT MONITOR, BUT IF THEY
03:21:14 WITNESS PEOPLE CAUSING THESE OFFENSES THAT THEY KNOW IT'S
03:21:20 WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION AND THEIR DISCRETION THAT THEY CAN
03:21:23 ISSUE A $450 TICKET.
03:21:25 >> YES, SIR.
03:21:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S ON THE BOOKS AND THERE'S NO NEED
03:21:28 FOR ANYTHING FURTHER LEGALLY BECAUSE THAT'S IT.
03:21:32 CHIEF BENNETT, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
03:21:35 CAN A MEMO GO OUT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD TO SAY, HEY,
03:21:39 IF YOU SEE PEOPLE, AS A POLICE OFFICER SITTING IN A CAR
03:21:42 WRITING A REPORT AND THEY WITNESS SOMEBODY BEING RIDICULOUS
03:21:47 THROWING SOMETHING MAJOR OUT, WHERE IT'S A PROBLEM.
03:21:50 >>JOHN BENNETT: UNDERSTOOD.
03:21:52 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
03:21:52 JUST WANTED TO SUPPLY A COMMENT THAT I KNOW COUNCILMAN GUDES
03:21:55 AND I ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
03:21:56 IT IS CALLED A LEGAL BULLETIN.
03:21:59 I SEE MEGAN IN PLACE, AND I'M SURE HER WHEELS ARE TURNING ON
03:22:02 THIS.
03:22:03 A LOT OF TIMES WE PROMPT THE OFFICERS, WHETHER IT BE CODE
03:22:05 AND TRANSLATED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, TO USE THOSE LEGAL
03:22:08 BULLETINS AS A CALL TO ACTION.
03:22:10 I'M CERTAIN THAT CHIEF O'CONNOR AND MEGAN'S OFFICE AT PD
03:22:16 WILL PUT THE TRAINING OUT AND MAKE SURE IT IS AT THE TOP OF
03:22:18 THE LIST.
03:22:19 WE KNOW ABOUT THE PRIORITIES COMING THROUGH COUNCIL AND THE
03:22:22 MAYOR ALSO WANTS THIS AS A PRIORITY.
03:22:24 I THINK IT'S ON THE BOOKS.
03:22:25 WE JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT MORE ACTIONABLE.
03:22:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS A SIMPLE FIX TO SOMETHING THAT'S
03:22:30 ALREADY IN PLACE AND IT'S JUST A COMMUNICATION.
03:22:32 THANK YOU, SIR.
03:22:33 >> YES.
03:22:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:22:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE -- COUNCILMAN
03:22:41 MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE LITTERING AND YOU HAVE ILLEGAL DUMPING.
03:22:45 TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
03:22:46 LITTERING AND ILLEGAL DUMPING.
03:22:49 ILLEGAL DUMPING, THAT'S CRIMINAL AND THAT COMES WITH ARREST
03:22:57 AND FINES.
03:22:58 LITTERING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
03:23:02 I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, BEING A FORMER POLICE OR RETIRED
03:23:06 POLICE OFFICER, HAVING POLICE OFFICERS START GIVING TICKETS
03:23:10 TO LITTERING, I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE A PROBLEM.
03:23:17 I CAN SEE A WARNING, OUT THERE ISSUING TICKETS, I KNOW HOW
03:23:23 COPS ARE AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SOME SUPERVISORS SAYING I'M
03:23:27 NOT -- I WOULD BE CAREFUL SAYING GO OUT AND START ISSUING
03:23:34 TICKETS.
03:23:35 YOU CAN LOOK AT WARNINGS.
03:23:39 I KNOW HOW COMMUNITIES ARE.
03:23:44 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LITTERING, I'VE BEEN IN A POLICE CAR AND
03:23:48 SEEN PEOPLE THROW SOMETHING OUT OF THE CAR.
03:23:51 I PULL THEM OVER, HEY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THROW THAT IN
03:23:55 YOUR COMMUNITY, WHY PUT IT OVER HERE.
03:23:58 PEOPLE GET THE GIST OF IT.
03:24:00 MAY NOT BE A WARNING TICKET GIVEN.
03:24:03 IT'S KIND OF LIKE A DISCRETIONARY THING.
03:24:05 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ILLEGAL DUMPING, IT'S A LITTLE
03:24:08 DIFFERENT.
03:24:09 DUMPING A BUNCH OF TRASH IN THE ALLEYWAY.
03:24:12 SHOULD BE TAKING IT TO THE DUMP.
03:24:14 LITERALLY SOMEBODY ELSE WHO YOU DID THAT JOB FOR ALREADY
03:24:16 PAID YOU FOR THAT AND YOU CHARGE THEM FOR THAT, NOW THEY
03:24:20 TAKE THAT EXTRA CASH AND DUMP IT IN THE ALLEYWAY OR BEHIND
03:24:24 OLD CHURCHES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
03:24:26 I'M ALL FOR MAKING SURE WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
03:24:31 BUT I JUST THINK IT HAS TO BE A WARNING LEVEL SYSTEM AND NOT
03:24:34 JUST AGGRESSIVELY SAYING WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND DO A LOT OF
03:24:37 WARNINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE POLICE.
03:24:40 THAT COULD TURN BAD, I THINK.
03:24:43 JUST MY OPINION.
03:24:44 I SUPPORT YOU BUT I THINK THAT COULD TURN BACKWARD.
03:24:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
03:24:47 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:24:49 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WONDER, FIRST OF ALL, LITTERING IS
03:24:54 BAD IN THE CITIES THAT MONITOR AND KEEP LITTERING FROM
03:24:59 HAPPENING I THINK ARE SOME OF THE BEST RUN CITIES.
03:25:03 I WANT TO ASK SPECIFICALLY, IS THERE ANY SPECIAL FINE FOR
03:25:07 THROWING CIGARETTES OUT THE DOOR?
03:25:10 FEW YEARS AGO I WAS AT A STOPLIGHT AND SAW A PRIUS IN FRONT
03:25:15 OF ME, PRESUMABLY SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT,
03:25:19 ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN AND THROW A LIT CIGARETTE OUT THE
03:25:22 WINDOW.
03:25:23 ESPECIALLY DURING THE DROUGHTS, YOU HAVE ALL THE DRY STUFF
03:25:26 AND YOU THROW A LIT CIGARETTE OUT, SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD
03:25:29 BE HIGHER FINES FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC HAZARD OF IT.
03:25:32 >> SIMONE SAVINO, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
03:25:35 I'M UNAWARE OFF AN ORDINANCE THAT COVERS A LIT CIGARETTE.
03:25:39 THAT DOESN'T MEAN FLORIDA STATUTES DOESN'T SPEAK TO IT.
03:25:42 I'M JUST UNAWARE OF ANYTHING CURRENTLY WITH THE CITY.
03:25:47 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
03:25:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:25:48 >>LYNN HURTAK: MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT WE START WITH A
03:25:52 COUPLE-MONTH PROGRAM OF WARNINGS?
03:25:56 I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD COME BACK IN TWO
03:26:00 MONTHS WITH SOME DATA SAYING, HEY, WE PULLED THIS MANY
03:26:04 PEOPLE OVER AND WARNED THEM ABOUT IT BECAUSE -- AND -- AND
03:26:08 IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, YOU NEED A PUBLIC RELATIONS
03:26:12 CAMPAIGN BECAUSE IF YOU START HANDING PEOPLE TICKETS, THEY
03:26:14 ARE GOING TO BE REALLY ANGRY BECAUSE THERE WAS NO -- I MEAN,
03:26:20 WHILE IT MAY BE ON THE BOOKS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T
03:26:22 FOCUSED ON.
03:26:23 IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:26:26 WE NEED TO COUPLE THIS WITH EDUCATION AND FOCUS.
03:26:31 IF WE DON'T COUPLE IT WITH EDUCATION, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO
03:26:35 HAVE A BUNCH OF REALLY ANGRY PEOPLE WHO ARE THEN GOING TO
03:26:39 LITTER OUT OF SPITE.
03:26:43 SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE A MORE STAIR-STEP PATTERN HERE
03:26:48 WITH LET'S START WITH SOME WARNINGS AND LET'S START WITH
03:26:50 SOME MORE SIGNAGE.
03:26:52 LET'S START WITH A PR CAMPAIGN THAT GETS PEOPLE OUT, MAYBE
03:26:57 ENCOURAGING TRASH PICKUP AMONG THE COMMUNITY, BUT DEFINITELY
03:27:02 SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
03:27:04 WE TALK ABOUT PR, THIS IS WHERE USING THE CITY'S PR, HIRING
03:27:09 A PR FIRM THAT HAS SPECIALIZED IN THIS, THAT'S SOMETHING
03:27:14 THAT I COULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT, BUT WE NEED TO
03:27:18 DEFINITELY STAIR-STEP IT UP.
03:27:20 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, MA'AM.
03:27:21 SO WHEN WE DO IMPLEMENT A NEW PROGRAM SUCH AS THIS, WE GO
03:27:24 THROUGH EDUCATION AND AWARENESS, A TIME PERIOD FOR THAT.
03:27:28 THEN WE GO INTO THE WARNINGS, AND THEN WE GO INTO THE ACTUAL
03:27:33 ENFORCEMENT PIECE.
03:27:34 WE DON'T JUST START HEAVY HANDED WITH WRITING A CITATION.
03:27:38 SO, YES.
03:27:40 >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IS THERE A PROGRAM IN PLACE OR IS THAT
03:27:45 SOMETHING.
03:27:46 >>OCEA WYNN: NO.
03:27:47 WHENEVER WE DO NEW PROGRAMS, WHEN I WAS IN THE PARKING
03:27:50 DIVISION AND DO SOMETHING NEW, THAT WAS THE PROCESS INSTEAD
03:27:52 OF JUST PUTTING UP A SIGN, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO WRITE A
03:27:56 CITATION.
03:27:56 >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE TO START A PROGRAM
03:27:59 LIKE THIS?
03:28:00 >>OCEA WYNN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.
03:28:04 I DON'T WANT TO OVERCOMMIT --
03:28:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST, IF YOU WERE GOING TO GUESS.
03:28:09 LIKE WHEN YOU DID PARKING ONES, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO YOU
03:28:12 PUT IT TOGETHER, SIX MONTHS?
03:28:14 >>OCEA WYNN: PUTTING IT TOGETHER IS ONE THING, JUST GETTING
03:28:17 STAFF TO PUT IT TOGETHER, HOWEVER WHEN WE DID THE WARNINGS,
03:28:21 THE EDUCATION WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS, AND THEN THE
03:28:25 WARNINGS WAS ABOUT A TWO-WEEK PROCESS AS WELL BEFORE WE
03:28:28 STARTED WRITING THE TICKETS.
03:28:30 THE VIOLATIONS.
03:28:31 >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT PLANNING FOR THAT?
03:28:33 HOW MUCH PLANNING DID IT TAKE?
03:28:35 >>OCEA WYNN: WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE THE PLANNING DONE IN THE
03:28:37 MATTER OF TWO WEEKS.
03:28:39 >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:28:42 >>OCEA WYNN: IF I COULD COME BACK.
03:28:44 MAYBE GIVE US SOME TIME, MAYBE SIX WEEKS OR SO TO COME BACK
03:28:49 FROM PLANNING TO IMPLEMENTATION, WARNING, ALL OF THAT, ABOUT
03:28:51 TWO MONTHS, THAT WILL GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO COLLECT SOME
03:28:56 SUBSTANTIAL DATA.
03:28:58 >>LYNN HURTAK: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, IS IT OKAY IF I MAKE
03:29:01 THE MOTION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION SINCE --
03:29:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SECOND IT IF YOU WANT.
03:29:07 >>LYNN HURTAK: I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COME BACK SEPTEMBER 15
03:29:10 WITH A PLAN SO WE REALLY CAN GET GOING ON THE TRASH PROBLEM.
03:29:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
03:29:16 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, MA'AM.
03:29:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:29:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'VE BEEN LISTENING, READING SOMETHING
03:29:24 ELSE, MAKE SURE THAT YOU IDENTIFY WHAT YOU WANT.
03:29:29 YOU HAVE TO SAY WHY.
03:29:30 I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AN ATTORNEY.
03:29:32 >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE IT.
03:29:33 I'M STILL LEARNING.
03:29:34 I ALWAYS APPRECIATE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK.
03:29:37 SO WE WANT TO MAKE A LITTERING -- TO CREATE A LITTERING
03:29:42 PROGRAM TO STOP PEOPLE --
03:29:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANTILITTERING.
03:29:45 >>LYNN HURTAK: ANTI, I'M SORRY.
03:29:45 ANTILITTERING PROGRAM TO HELP KEEP THE CITY CLEANER AND,
03:29:58 YEAH, TO BASICALLY COME FORWARD TO US WITH A PLAN FOR HOW WE
03:30:01 CAN START IMPLEMENTING THIS AND ENCOURAGING THE CITY TO BE A
03:30:10 CLEANER PLACE.
03:30:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
03:30:13 JUST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
03:30:16 IN THE MEANTIME, CAN WE ISSUE --
03:30:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE'LL BE VOTING ON YOUR AMENDMENT.
03:30:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE COULD ISSUE WARNINGS IN THE
03:30:25 MEANTIME AND GET THE BALL ROLLING, NOT TICKETS, BUT
03:30:28 WARNINGS.
03:30:29 >>LYNN HURTAK: I ACCEPT THAT.
03:30:30 THAT IS A GOOD AMENDMENT.
03:30:35 >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL SAY THAT IN SOME OF OUR STAFF
03:30:37 MEETINGS, THE MAYOR MADE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR, EDUCATION FIRST,
03:30:40 WARNING SECOND, CITATIONS AS NECESSARY, AND I WILL SAY THAT
03:30:44 OVER THE YEARS -- I TRIED TO DO THIS BACK IN THE MID
03:30:48 2000s, LIKE 2008, AND THE SYSTEMS, THE PLATFORMS DIDN'T
03:30:52 HANDLE IT.
03:30:52 BUT NOW WE HAVE A ROBUST WARNING TRACKING SYSTEM.
03:30:55 SO I FEEL LIKE THE LEGAL BULLETIN THAT TPD WILL WORK WITH
03:31:00 CITY LEGAL TO GET OUT WILL HAVE THAT CALL TO ACTION IN THAT
03:31:03 ORDER, EDUCATION, WARNING, AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN
03:31:06 GUDES.
03:31:07 WE WANT TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR IN THE EASIEST WAY POSSIBLE FOR
03:31:10 THE COMMUNITY.
03:31:10 IT STARTS WITH EDUCATION, AND I'M SURE WE'LL GET OUT SOME
03:31:14 VIGNETTES AND VIDEOS AND ACTUALLY DO SOME SCENARIOS FOR THE
03:31:18 PUBLIC TO SEE THAT THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE FIRST.
03:31:20 THOSE TWO THINGS CAN RUN CONCURRENTLY -- THE WARNING PROCESS
03:31:27 AND THE EDUCATION PROCESS.
03:31:27 BUT I AGREE WITH MS. WYNN.
03:31:27 WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT PRETTY QUICK AND THEN BE ABLE
03:31:29 TO BRING SOME STATS BACK AND SOME OF THE PROGRAMMATIC PIECES
03:31:32 BY SEPTEMBER.
03:31:33 AND THEN WE'VE ASKED TO PROBABLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PUBLIC
03:31:37 SAFETY WORKSHOP PLACEMENTS, ONE IN MAY AND ONE MAYBE IN
03:31:42 NOVEMBER, AND USE THOSE TO SYNC UP SOME OF THE INITIATIVES
03:31:45 COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR IN A PUBLIC SAFETY SPACE.
03:31:47 AND THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE.
03:31:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:31:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST AS A FINAL NOTE, MOST OF THE PEOPLE
03:31:59 THAT LITTER ARE YOUR WALKERS.
03:32:00
03:32:07 AND KIDS WALKING.
03:32:09 YOU KNOW, MY THING IS, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE TRASH
03:32:13 RECEPTACLES, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT SOME AREAS, OR SOME OF
03:32:17 THESE STORES HAVING TRASH CANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
03:32:20 I SAY THAT BECAUSE FORMER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER SHAMBURGER HAD
03:32:28 CALLED ME EARLIER AND SHE SAID, KIDS ARE WALKING, AND GET
03:32:38 TRASH CANS IN THE AREA ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S A
03:32:41 LOT OF TRAFFIC.
03:32:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:32:44 I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT POINT WHEN I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY.
03:32:47 WE CAN'T -- IT'S TOUGH TO MAKE GOOD LAWS FOR BAD THINGS THAT
03:32:54 PEOPLE DO.
03:32:54 AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES
03:32:57 SAID.
03:32:58 SOME OF THE AREAS THAT I DRIVE AROUND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
03:33:02 WHERE THERE IS THE MOST GARBAGE ON THE STREETS, THERE IS NO
03:33:06 TRASH RECEPTACLE.
03:33:07 SO MAYBE IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PUT
03:33:11 TRASH RECEPTACLES AT THOSE PLACES.
03:33:15 I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO CARRY A BAG OR SOMETHING THAT HAS FOOD
03:33:21 WHEN AFTER YOU HAVE EATEN IT, GO SIX BLOCKS WITHOUT A
03:33:27 GARBAGE CAN.
03:33:29 SO WE CAN HELP.
03:33:30 I ALSO HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
03:33:32 I PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE WITH MYSELF ALL THE TIME.
03:33:40 WHO ENFORCES THESE VIOLATIONS? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY
03:33:43 DOESN'T PAY THESE VIOLATIONS?
03:33:47 LIKE TRAFFIC TICKETS.
03:33:48 NOW WE ARE SEEING, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAY THEIR TRAFFIC
03:33:52 TICKET, THEIR LICENSE GETS SUSPENDED, THEY CAN'T GET TO
03:33:56 WORK, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC TICKET?
03:33:59 JUST A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THAT I PLAY BY MYSELF.
03:34:03 >>SIMONE SAVINO: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
03:34:05 SO EITHER CIVIL CITATIONS, IN OUR CODE, 23-25-5, SO THE
03:34:14 TABLE 23-25 LEAVES OUT FOUR SECTIONS FOR VIOLATIONS.
03:34:19 1953 THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A CATEGORY 4
03:34:22 VIOLATION.
03:34:26 A HIGH FINE OF $450. IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAY THAT, IT WILL
03:34:29 GO TO THE COUNTY COURT, AND IT WILL BE BASICALLY LIKE --
03:34:37 SIMILAR TO A PARKING TICKET.
03:34:39 YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND CONTEST IT OR YOU CAN GO DOWN
03:34:41 THERE AND PAY IT AS WELL.
03:34:43 SO EITHER THEY ARE SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A PARKING TICKET,
03:34:48 BUT THEY ARE ENFORCED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.
03:34:51 THEY ARE ALSO ENFORCED BY TPD.
03:34:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION MADE BY
03:34:57 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:35:04 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:35:05 ANY OPPOSED?
03:35:07 THANK YOU.
03:35:14 HE AMENDED THE MOTION.
03:35:16 ONCE HE AMENDS THE MOTION THEN THE AMENDMENT TAGS OVER AS
03:35:18 THE MOTION.
03:35:20 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
03:35:26 AMENDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:35:32 CORRECT.
03:35:34 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
03:35:35 FILE CM 22-75491.
03:35:39 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST SET THIS UP? I JUST WANTED TO
03:35:49 SAY, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE COULD SAY ON THIS TOPIC, AND
03:35:52 WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A SECOND WHY WE CAN STAY ON THIS
03:35:55 TOPIC.
03:35:56 WE HAVE ALL BEEN BRIEFED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY
03:35:59 ADVISED TO US NARROW THE CONVERSATION FOR THE SAKE OF
03:36:02 PROTECTION OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
03:36:05 SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL SAY WHAT THEY CAN, AND THEN IF
03:36:09 ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF
03:36:12 THIS, PLEASE CALL US.
03:36:13 THANK YOU.
03:36:13 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIRMAN?
03:36:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:36:19 >>LUIS VIERA: I ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MR. JOE
03:36:23 PERVASTO WAS HERE TO SPEAK.
03:36:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND I AM GOING TO ASK HIM TO SPEAK AFTER
03:36:30 THE PRESENTATION.
03:36:31 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:36:32 THANK YOU.
03:36:32 >> MEGAN NEWSOME, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, HERE TO ADDRESS
03:36:39 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9 ALONG WITH CAPTAIN BRAD BEALLY FROM THE
03:36:43 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE CRIMINAL
03:36:46 INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION.
03:36:47 WE DID PROVIDE A MEMORANDUM TO COUNCIL THAT LAID OUT WHAT
03:36:50 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DOING IN RESPONSE TO THE
03:36:53 ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WE ARE
03:36:56 AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY
03:36:59 OF THOSE ISSUES.
03:37:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO IN REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC,
03:37:06 ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS, OTHER EVENTS HAVE TAKEN PLACE AND
03:37:12 WHATNOT.
03:37:14 I'M CATHOLIC BUT MY WIFE IS JEWISH, MY TWO STEPDAUGHTERS ARE
03:37:18 RAISED IN THE JEWISH FAITH, SOME OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS ARE
03:37:21 JEWISH, SOME OF MY FAMILY'S CLOSEST FRIENDS ARE JEWISH.
03:37:24 I HEARD FROM FRIENDS OF MINE IN EUROPE OVER THE WEEKEND OF
03:37:27 WHAT'S GOING ON IN TAMPA.
03:37:29 AND THAT'S HOW I HEARD OF MORE RECENT THINGS.
03:37:33 SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I TAKE VERY PERSONALLY BECAUSE THE
03:37:37 PEOPLE THAT I LOVE AND CARE ABOUT THE MOST ARE JEWISH, AND I
03:37:42 WANT THEM TO LIVE IN A STATE, CITY, I WANT THEM TO FEEL
03:37:46 SAFE, MY NOW FAMILY, BECAUSE I RECENTLY GOT MARRIED, AND I
03:37:50 TAKE THIS VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.
03:37:53 I KNOW THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IS VERY STRONG.
03:37:56 HISTORICALLY THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COMMUNITY IS BUILT WITH
03:37:59 THE HELP OF SO MANY PEOPLE AND MANY IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
03:38:06 SO WHATEVER TPD IS DOING, WHATEVER WAY WE CAN ASSIST, I KNOW
03:38:10 WE HAVE TO LIMIT OUR COMMENTS AND WHATNOT, AND WE CAN SPEAK
03:38:15 OFFLINE, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND I APPRECIATE
03:38:19 COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION TO BRING THIS UP.
03:38:21 THANK YOU.
03:38:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
03:38:25 COUNCILMAN GUDES?
03:38:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RECEIVED A LOT OF CALLS ON THIS AND WANT
03:38:30 TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T ATTACKED, MAKE SURE PEOPLE
03:38:36 FEEL SAFE COMING TO TAMPA, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF VENUES,
03:38:39 PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE PATRONIZE PLACES THAT SAFE.
03:38:44 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING OR WHAT ARE
03:38:46 THE RULES IN REFERENCE TO CITY PROPERTY AND THINGS LIKE
03:38:51 THAT.
03:38:53 SO WHAT ARE THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE TO REFUSE, OR THAT WE
03:39:03 WON'T HAVE IT THE RIGHT TO REFUSE?
03:39:05 >> YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN.
03:39:07 FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
03:39:09 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING EVERYTHING THAT IT CAN TO
03:39:11 ADDRESS ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND PART
03:39:16 OF THAT IS INCOME COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT
03:39:19 AGENCIES THROUGHOUT OUR REGION AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AS
03:39:21 WELL AS ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE AND
03:39:26 EACH OUR LOCAL SYNAGOGUE TEMPLES, SO WE ARE IN CONSTANT
03:39:31 COMMUNICATION AND WE ARE MONITORING ANY TYPE OF -- ANY OF
03:39:35 THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY TO KEEP TRACK OF IT AND ALSO IF THERE
03:39:38 IS ANY CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY TO
03:39:41 INVESTIGATE THOSE CRIMES.
03:39:42 SPEAKING TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, AS WE ALL
03:39:47 KNOW, THAT FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTS ALL TYPES OF POLITICAL
03:39:51 SPEECH, AND THE COURTS HAVE HELD THAT EVEN ANTI-SEMITICS,
03:39:57 SPECIFICALLY THE WEARING OF ANTI-SEMITIC CLOTHING, UNIFORMS,
03:40:04 SWASTIKA, IS PROTECTED UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT, SO WE AS A
03:40:08 GOVERNMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CANNOT LIMIT PEOPLE'S
03:40:11 SPEECH BASED UPON THE CONTENT OF THEIR SPEECH, AND AS
03:40:19 DISGUSTING AS THAT SPEECH MAY BE, IS PROBABLY THE FIRST
03:40:22 AMENDMENT AND IS A BASIC TENANT THAT ALL OF US IN THE CITY
03:40:25 HAVE TO ENFORCE.
03:40:26 AND CERTAINLY PUBLIC PROPERTY, YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH
03:40:32 CANNOT REALLY BE LIMITED IN ANY TYPE OF WAY.
03:40:34 THAT'S DIFFERENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
03:40:36 IT'S ALSO DIFFERENT AS I AM SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE IN
03:40:40 DIFFERENT TYPES OF PUBLIC FORUMS, GOVERNMENT PUBLIC
03:40:44 PROPERTY, SIDEWALKS, PARKS AND THE STREETS ARE WHAT ARE
03:40:47 KNOWN AS TRADITIONAL PUBLIC FORUMS AND ANY TYPE PROTECTED
03:40:51 FIRST AMENDMENT SPEECH CANNOT BE LIMITED REALLY IN ANY
03:40:53 MANNER IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA.
03:40:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR THAT.
03:40:59 WE HAD A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO AND CAN'T DO, SO
03:41:02 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE LEGAL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
03:41:05 HERE, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S OBLIGATION IS
03:41:08 AND SO WE ARE NOT IN VIOLATION OF SOMEBODY'S RIGHTS, EVEN
03:41:11 THOUGH WE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR ON OUR PROPERTY.
03:41:17 >> UNDERSTOOD.
03:41:18 AND THE REMEDY FOR HATEFUL SPEECH, OR SPEECH THAT IS AGAINST
03:41:26 ONE WOULD BE AGAINST IT, MORE SPEECH.
03:41:31 SO REALLY WHAT WE CAN DO AND ARE TRYING TO DO IS ALLOW
03:41:34 ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO EXPRESSION THEIR FIRST
03:41:36 AMENDMENT RIGHT A SAFE PLACE TO DO SO, AND HOPEFULLY THAT
03:41:42 WILL ALLOW EVERYONE TO EXPRESS THEIR RIGHTS, AND FOR
03:41:46 DEMOCRACY TO CONTINUE, BUT THAT'S THE BEDROCK OF THE FIRST
03:41:49 AMENDMENT.
03:41:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
03:41:53 >>BILL CARLSON: IN MY COMMENT, I WANT TO SAY, I'M 100%
03:41:59 BEHIND THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, THIS COUNCIL IS 100% BEHIND THE
03:42:03 JEWISH COMMUNITY, THE CITY IS 100 PERCENT BEHIND THE JEWISH
03:42:06 COMMUNITY, AND WE WON'T TOLERATE ANY KIND OF THREATS IN OUR
03:42:09 COMMUNITY.
03:42:10 I WAS JUST IN EUROPE A BIT IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, AND I
03:42:14 WENT TO SYNAGOGUES THAT FORMERLY HAD LARGE CONGREGATIONS AND
03:42:18 THERE'S ALMOST NOBODY LIVING IN THOSE CITIES ANYMORE.
03:42:21 THERE WERE WHOLE AREAS OF TOWNS THAT HAVE POPULATIONS THAT
03:42:26 MANY OF THEM WERE MURDERED AND MANY OF THEM MOVED TO OTHER
03:42:29 COUNTRIES.
03:42:31 WE NEED TO PROTECT EVERYBODY, AND WE VALUE OW JEWISH
03:42:37 COMMUNITY.
03:42:37 IT'S A VERY STRONG COMMUNITY HERE.
03:42:40 YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BROTHERS, RELATIVES, SISTERS, FRIEND. I
03:42:45 GREW UP CHRISTIAN.
03:42:46 MY SON IS CHRISTIAN.
03:42:47 AND JCC ALLOWED MY SON TO GO TO JCC GROWING UP SO HE LEARNED
03:42:53 THE THOSE BEFORE HE LEARNED CHRISTMAS SONGS, AND THESE ARE
03:43:00 THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO DO FOR EACH OTHER.
03:43:04 AND IF PEOPLE HERE HAVE THREATS, ACTS OF VIOLENCE, CALL 911,
03:43:08 OR CALL DID NONEMERGENCY HOTLINE, BUT CALL US IF THOSE
03:43:11 THINGS HAPPEN.
03:43:12 BUT I WOULD SAY NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT FOR THE
03:43:15 SAME REASON THAT WE NOWADAYS ASK MEDIA NOT TO MENTION THE
03:43:19 NAMES OF CRIMINALS, BECAUSE THEY SEEK PUBLICITY, WE MAY NOT
03:43:24 WANT TO GIVE A FREE PLATFORM TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPREAD
03:43:28 HEIGHT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TELL THE JEWISH
03:43:33 COMMUNITY THAT WE SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNCILMAN MEMBER VIERA
03:43:36 HAS A RESOLUTION THAT HE'S GOING TO PROPOSE IN A MINUTE,
03:43:39 ALSO.
03:43:39 BUT PLEASE TALK TO US, AND WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS, WE ARE
03:43:43 YOUR FRIENDS.
03:43:44 TALK TO US.
03:43:45 NONE OF US WILL TOLERATE THIS.
03:43:46 WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE A FREE PLATFORM TO ANYBODY.
03:43:49 THANK YOU.
03:43:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
03:43:57 COUNCILMAN VIERA?
03:44:01 I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 11.
03:44:03 >>LUIS VIERA: MY GOOD FRIEND JOE CAN GO BEFORE ME.
03:44:07 I HAVE NO PROBLEM THERE.
03:44:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. PERVASTO, ARE YOU ONLINE?
03:44:15 >> I'M HERE.
03:44:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OH, YOU ARE IN HERE.
03:44:23 BEHIND JOE ROBINSON.
03:44:24 >> I HEAR WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME COLLECTIVE PAGE AND THAT'S
03:44:29 A GOOD WAY TO TURN THE COLLECTIVE CONVERSATION.
03:44:31 MY NAME IS JOE PERVASTO, THE IMMEDIATE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE
03:44:38 JEWISH FEDERATION.
03:44:39 I ALSO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE JEWISH
03:44:42 FEDERATION OF NORTH AMERICA, JOINED BY MARK SEGAL AT OUR
03:44:48 JCC.
03:44:48 WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS CITY
03:44:51 COUNCIL TODAY TO EXPRESS OUR PERSONAL SUPPORT AND THE
03:44:54 SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTERS AND FEDERATION
03:44:57 FOR COUNCILMAN VIERA'S RESOLUTION CONDEMNING ANTI-SEMITISM.
03:45:02 WHILE I HAVE SHARED MY OFFICIAL TITLES, I FEEL IT'S ALSO
03:45:04 IMPORTANT TO SHARE MY WIFE AND I, CALLED THE CITY OF TAMPA
03:45:10 OUR HOME OVER 20 YEARS AND CHOSEN TAMPA TO RAISE OUR TWO
03:45:15 USUALLY WONDERFUL CHILDREN.
03:45:16 OUR CHILDREN ARE BEING EDUCATED IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS OF OUR
03:45:19 CITY, AND WE HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF CONGREGATION FOR THOSE
03:45:23 SAME 20 YEARS.
03:45:24 SIMPLY PUT, TAMPA IS OUR HOME.
03:45:28 I SHARE THIS BECAUSE TODAY WE SPEAK OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY,
03:45:32 THE TWO ARE SIMPLY INSEPARABLE.
03:45:34 OW JEWISH COMMUNITY CALLED TAMPA HOME FOR THE BETTER PART OF
03:45:38 THE LAST 150 YEARS, AND FOR THOSE THAT SHARE AN INTEREST IN
03:45:41 TAMPA HISTORY, OUR CITY PROUDLY ELECTED HERMAN GLOGOWSKI, A
03:45:49 JEWISH GERMAN IMMIGRANT, AS THE 21st, 23rd, 25TH AND
03:45:53 27th MAYOR OF TAMPA WITH HIS FIRST TERM STARTING IN
03:45:56 1886.
03:45:57 YOU SEE, US JEWS IN TAMPA, WE GO WAY BACK.
03:46:01 WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS.
03:46:02 WE ARE YOUR CLASSMATES.
03:46:03 WE ARE YOUR CO-WORKERS.
03:46:05 WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS.
03:46:06 AND WHILE I COULD GO ON FOR HOURS ABOUT JEWISH TAMPA
03:46:08 HISTORY, THE TOPIC WE ARE HERE TO ADDRESS TODAY IS SOMETHING
03:46:11 I NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS IN OUR CITY.
03:46:14 YOU SEE, THE SAME CITY THAT ELECT ADD JEWISH IMMIGRANT AS
03:46:18 ITS MAYOR IN 1886 HAS RECENTLY BEEN THE CITY WHERE
03:46:21 ANTI-SEMITIC GRAFFITI HAS BECOME COUNCILMAN PLACE, WHERE
03:46:27 FLYERS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND LAST
03:46:30 SATURDAY WITNESSED THE DISPLAY OF NAZI FLAGS OUTSIDE OF OUR
03:46:36 TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
03:46:38 AND WHILE IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF MY REMARKS TODAY I WANT
03:46:43 TO SHARE THE FOLLOWING.
03:46:45 ANTI-SEMITISM IS NOT UNIQUE TO A PARTICULAR PARTY, IDEALOGY
03:46:50 OR CULTURE.
03:46:52 WE HAVE SEEN IT IN THE FAR RIGHT, THE FAR LEFT, CAPITALIST,
03:46:57 COMMUNIST ECONOMIES, APPEARED IN DIFFERENT TIMES IN OUR
03:47:00 HISTORY IN DIFFERENT PLACES ACROSS THE GLOBE.
03:47:03 IT IS THE FEAR OF THE OTHER, SOMETHING NOT LIKE ME.
03:47:06 AND IT LIVES IN PLACES WHERE WE STOP MAKING SPACE FOR
03:47:09 DIFFERENCE IN DIVERSITY.
03:47:10 AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU UNEQUIVOCALLY IS THE APPEARANCE OF
03:47:14 ANTI-SEMITISM, IF ANY COMMUNITY IS THE FIRST SYMPTOM OF A
03:47:18 DISEASE, THE EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF A CANCER THAT LEFT
03:47:22 UNTREATED WILL ULTIMATELY LEAD TO THE BREAKDOWN OF OUR
03:47:25 PRESSURES LIBERAL DEMOCRACY.
03:47:27 SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE TAKE THE ISSUE OF ANTI-SEMITISM
03:47:31 SO SERIOUSLY.
03:47:32 WHILE SOME MIGHT SUGGEST THE RECENT GRAFFITI, FLYERS AND
03:47:36 FLAGS ARE MINOR MATTERS I AM ALSO REMINDED OF RICHARD
03:47:40 WEAVER'S WORDS, THE TROUBLE WITH HUMANITY IS IT FORGETS TO
03:47:45 READ THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING.
03:47:46 FRIEND, WE HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY BEFORE.
03:47:48 WE KNOW HOW IT STARTED.
03:47:49 WE KNOW HOW IT PROGRESSED.
03:47:51 WE KNOW HOW IT ENDS IF LEFT UNCHECKED.
03:47:54 THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO INTERVENE EARLY AND DEMAND A
03:47:57 DIFFERENT OUTCOME FOR OUR CITY.
03:47:59 AND SO AS OUR COMMUNITY NAVIGATES THIS DIFFICULT CHAPTER IN
03:48:02 OUR TAMPA HISTORY, WE APPLAUD COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR
03:48:05 SPONSORING THIS MOTION AND OUR CITY COUNCIL FOR HAVING A
03:48:08 PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT SUCH A CRITICAL ISSUE TO OUR TAMPA
03:48:11 COMMUNITY.
03:48:12 WE ARE ALSO GRATEFUL FOR THE FRIENDSHIP AND PARTNERSHIP
03:48:15 MAYOR CASTOR HAS PROVIDED OUR JEWISH COMMUNITIES AND OUR
03:48:19 EFFORTS TO SHINE A LIGHT ON ANTI-SEMITIC AND TO ADDRESS
03:48:23 QUESTIONS THAT WERE IN THE PRIOR PRESENTATION OF CHIEF OF
03:48:27 POLICE O'CONNOR AND THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR
03:48:30 TREMENDOUS AROUND-THE-CLOCK SUPPORT AND PROTECTION THEY
03:48:33 PROVIDE OUR JEWISH COMMUNITY AND INSTITUTIONS.
03:48:35 THEY HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.
03:48:37 I WILL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS BY ENCOURAGING EACH OF YOU TO
03:48:40 SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION CONDEMNING ANTI-SEMITISM AND TO USE
03:48:44 YOUR OFFICES TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST ANTI-SEMITIC AND ALL FORMS
03:48:47 OF HEIGHT AND EXTREMISM, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE FAR LEFT, THE
03:48:51 FAR RIGHT OR ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN, ANTI-SEMITIC AND HATE ARE
03:48:55 DANGEROUS AND DEADLY IDEALOGIES AND IT IS DIFFERENCE IN
03:49:00 DIVERSITY THAT MAKES TAMPA BEAUTIFUL.
03:49:02 LET MAKE SURE WE KEEP IT THIS WAY.
03:49:04 THANK YOU.
03:49:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
03:49:06 COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR
03:49:09 MOTION NOW?
03:49:12 >>LUIS VIERA: SURE, MR. CHAIR.
03:49:14 IF I MAY, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I WANTED TO THANK MR. PERVASTO
03:49:20 FOR COMING UP AND SHARING THOSE WORDS.
03:49:22 HE'S A COLLEAGUE, HE'S A FRIEND, HE'S JUST A GOOD PERSON,
03:49:26 AND I AM HONORED TO KNOW HIM AND HONORED TO CALL HIM A
03:49:28 FRIEND.
03:49:29 SO THANK YOU, JOE.
03:49:30 I WANT TO AGAIN SALUTE COUNCILMAN CASUAL SON FOR PUTTING
03:49:33 FORTH A MOTION OWN HAVING OOH REPORT ON HOW WE CAN FIGHT
03:49:38 ANTI-SEMITIC IN OUR CITY WHICH IS COMPANION TO THE
03:49:40 RESOLUTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON.
03:49:42 SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:49:45 AND AS WAS SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE FIRST
03:49:49 AMENDMENT, RIGHT?
03:49:52 I THINK IT WAS HUBERT HUMPHREY SAID THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD
03:49:55 DOESN'T MEAN THE RIGHT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BUT THIS KIND
03:49:58 OF SPEECH WE HAVE TO TAKE SERIOUSLY, NOT IN TERMS OF THE
03:50:02 SUBSTANCE OF THE CONVERSATION THEY ARE PURSUING BUT BECAUSE
03:50:05 OF THE DANGER OF IT LIKE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LIKE MR.
03:50:09 PERVASTO AND OTHERS TALKED ABOUT, LIKE JOE SAID, YOU HAVE TO
03:50:12 KNOW YOUR HISTORY ON ANTI-SEMITISM.
03:50:17 THERE IS NO FORM OF HATE THAT HAS A LONGER OR WIDER TAIL OF
03:50:21 AGGRESSION, OF MURDER, THAN ANTI-SEMITIC.
03:50:27 THAT'S A FACT.
03:50:29 BUT YOU HAVE ALSO GOT TO KNOW HOW ANTI-SEMITIC IS NOT JUST
03:50:33 STILL WITH US BUT MORE PREVALENT TODAY THAN IT'S BEEN IN A
03:50:37 LONG TIME.
03:50:38 WE LIVE IN THE ERA OF THE CHARLOTTESVILLE, WE SEE WHAT'S
03:50:47 HAPPENING IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA, SO WE CERTAINLY HAVE GOT TO
03:50:50 USE OUR VOICE, LIKE WE ARE DOING TODAY, AND LIKE WE ARE ALL
03:50:55 DOING, TO OPPOSE ANTI-SEMITIC AND TO CALL IT OUT, WHAT JOE
03:51:00 SAID, IT HAPPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAPPENS ON THE LEFT.
03:51:03 I HAPPEN TO BE A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT.
03:51:07 HAPPENS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
03:51:08 HAPPENS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
03:51:09 AND WE HAVE GOT TO CALL IT OUT.
03:51:11 SO I HEREBY, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
03:51:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
03:51:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA,
03:51:19 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:51:23 ANY DISCUSSION?
03:51:25 IF I MAY.
03:51:28 THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, THAT IS NOT TAMPA.
03:51:35 THAT IS NOT WHO WE ARE.
03:51:39 THOSE ACTIONS WERE NOT TAKEN BY TAMPANIANS.
03:51:43 WE ARE A CITY WHERE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR YOUR SKIN
03:51:47 IS, YOUR NATIONAL ORIGIN, WHO YOU LOVE, OR WHAT GOD YOU
03:51:53 BELIEVE IN, WHETHER YOU ARE CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, AND
03:51:58 ESPECIALLY OF THE JEWISH FAITH.
03:52:00 WE ARE TAMPA.
03:52:02 WE ARE HERE FOR EVERYONE.
03:52:05 ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE MOTION.
03:52:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
03:52:12 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:52:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
03:52:15 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:52:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:52:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:52:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
03:52:20 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
03:52:23 >> THANK YOU ALL.
03:52:24 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
03:52:27 THANK YOU.
03:52:27 I WANTED TO ALSO THANK MR. PERVASTO FOR HELPING ME WITH THE
03:52:31 RESOLUTION.
03:52:32 WE TOOK THE CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTION THAT PASSED ALMOST
03:52:36 UNANIMOUSLY IN THE CONGRESS AND REVISED IT JUST A LITTLE BIT
03:52:40 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:52:41 SO THANK YOU.
03:52:42 I WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK JOE FOR THAT.
03:52:44 SO THANK YOU, SIR.
03:52:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
03:52:50 AGENDA ITEM 10.
03:52:51 FILE CM 22-754292.
03:52:54 >>OCEA WYNN: ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
03:53:02 AFFAIRS.
03:53:02 I PROVIDED A MEMO TO YOU REGARDING THE CREATION OF A
03:53:08 VETERANS ALLIANCE GROUP, AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS
03:53:12 YOU HAVE.
03:53:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:53:17 >>BILL CARLSON: I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU YESTERDAY OR THE
03:53:20 DAY BEFORE.
03:53:21 I COULD BE WRONG BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IDEA BIG PUSH CAME
03:53:24 FROM COUNCILMEMBER VIERA BUT ENDED UP BEING THE MAYOR'S
03:53:30 VETERANS ALLIANCE.
03:53:31 WE WENT THROUGH LONG DISCUSSIONS, VERY LONG DISCUSSIONS
03:53:35 ABOUT THE CRB AND OTHER THINGS AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAID
03:53:38 CITY COUNCIL CAN'T JUST CREATE A COMMITTEE ON THEIR OWN, IT
03:53:42 HAS TO HAVE THE MAYOR ALSO.
03:53:43 WHETHER IT'S A LEGAL ISSUE OR JUST A GOOD WILL ISSUE, IT
03:53:47 SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE THE CITY VETERAN'S COMMITTEE INSTEAD
03:53:51 OF THE MAYOR'S, AND THEN THE MAYOR COULD GET SEVEN
03:53:54 APPOINTEES AND CITY COUNCIL COULD EACH GET ONE.
03:53:57 I HAD PEOPLE ALREADY ASK TO BE APPOINTED TO IT.
03:54:01 IT'S A BENIGN THING.
03:54:03 IT'S ONLY GOOD, IT'S ONLY POSITIVE.
03:54:04 THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL OR POLITICAL.
03:54:07 IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD TRY TO BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE.
03:54:12 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
03:54:13 IF I MAY, WHEN I WROTE UP, CREATED THE MEMO, THE I.V.
03:54:22 DIVERSITY EQUITY INCLUSION, WITH ALL OF THE OTHER ADVISORY
03:54:25 COUNCILS, THE MIRE'S AFRICAN, THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC COUNCIL,
03:54:32 BUT ABSOLUTELY WE CAN OPEN IT UP AND HAVE IT AS A VETERANS
03:54:37 ADVISORY COUNCIL.
03:54:38 THE INTENT IS OH TO GET THE VOICE OF THE VETERANS COMMUNITY
03:54:42 WITHIN CITY HALL SO THAT WE CAN HEAR THEIR CONCERNS.
03:54:45 SO WE WILL CREATE THAT AVENUE AND THE FRAMEWORK NEEDED FOR
03:54:53 THAT.
03:54:54 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST
03:54:57 THAT?
03:54:58 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL REQUEST THAT THE
03:55:01 MAYOR AND HER STAFF AGREE TO MAKE THIS A CITY VETERANS
03:55:06 COMMITTEE OR ALLIANCE, AND THAT IT HAS SEVEN REPRESENTATIVES
03:55:10 FROM THE MAYOR AND SEVEN REPRESENTATIVES FROM CITY COUNCIL,
03:55:13 ONE APPOINTED BY EACH COUNCILMEMBER.
03:55:15 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
03:55:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:55:22 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:55:26 ANY DISCUSSION?
03:55:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
03:55:29 I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.
03:55:32 MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RIGHT.
03:55:34 I ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY, THAT
03:55:41 ADVISORY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW.
03:55:43 A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE CEMETERIES IN OUR
03:55:46 COMMUNITIES, WE DON'T GET THE CAMERAS AND LIGHTS THAT THEY
03:55:53 DO ON COLUMBUS AND DALE MABRY.
03:55:57 YOU KNOW, ANYBODY OVER AT REST HAVEN MEMORIAL PARK.
03:56:02 SO I THINK IT'S GREAT WE CAN GET SOMEBODY FROM VFW ON THAT
03:56:07 SIDE OF TOWN, 40TH STREET.
03:56:12 I AM HAPPY TO CHANGE THAT TO CITIZENS ADVISORY INSTEAD OF
03:56:18 THE MAYOR'S COUNCIL ADVISORY.
03:56:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.
03:56:24 I AM NOT BOTHERED BY IT BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN EVEN NUMBER OF
03:56:28 MEMBERS, YOU MAY HAVE A SPLIT VOTE.
03:56:31 MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO CHANGE TO THE AN ODD NUMBER SO YOU
03:56:34 NEVADA GET AN ODD VOTE UNLESS SOMEBODY IS NOT THERE.
03:56:39 WHICH 7 AND 7 IS 14.
03:56:41 >>BILL CARLSON: SO I AMEND MY MOTION.
03:56:43 AGAIN IT'S A REQUEST BY CITY COUNCIL.
03:56:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
03:56:46 >>BILL CARLSON: TO MAKE IT THE CITY'S VETERAN'S COMMITTEE,
03:56:51 AND THAT THERE WOULD BE HOW ABOUT 8 REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE
03:56:55 MAYOR AND 7 BY CITY COUNCIL, ONE CHOSEN BY EACH
03:56:58 COUNCILMEMBER?
03:56:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF BENNETT, YOU ARE GETTING UP.
03:57:04 >>JOHN BENNETT: I JUST HAVE A SMALL REQUEST TO CONSIDER.
03:57:10 I AGREE WITH THE BALANCE OF THE NUMBERS.
03:57:13 BUT ONE THING I EXPERIENCE EVERY MORNING WHEN I WALK THE
03:57:16 STREETS ARE HOMELESS VETERANS.
03:57:18 SO IF YOU COULD PUT A HOMELESS VETERAN ON THERE, I WOULD
03:57:21 REALLY APPRECIATE IT SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE ONE ADD-ON.
03:57:24 AND WHETHER IT CAME FROM COUNCIL OR THE ADMINISTRATION OR
03:57:27 WORKING WITH THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE
03:57:30 GREAT, TO PUT A HOMELESS VETERAN.
03:57:35 >>BILL CARLSON: SO I AMEND MY MOTION, PRIOR LANGUAGE, BUT 7
03:57:39 APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, AND IN ADDITION TO THE 7, ONE
03:57:43 APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR WHO IS A HOMELESS VETERAN, AND THEN
03:57:46 SEVEN APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, ONE APPOINTED BY EACH.
03:57:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU STILL SECOND THE
03:57:53 MOTION?
03:57:54 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:57:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
03:57:56 CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:57:58 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
03:58:00 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
03:58:01 THANK YOU.
03:58:03 COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK MORE ON THIS?
03:58:06 THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.
03:58:07 >>LUIS VIERA: NO, SIR, BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK, THOUGH,
03:58:10 BECAUSE I WILL BE HONEST, I AM EXTREMELY TIRED.
03:58:14 I HAVE COVID.
03:58:16 SO I NEED TO GO TAKE A NAP.
03:58:20 I AM GOING TO HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF FROM CITY COUNCIL IF I
03:58:23 MAY.
03:58:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SLEEP DURING COVID?
03:58:33 >>CHAIRMAN: YES, SIR.
03:58:34 THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR MY EARLY DEPARTURE.
03:58:38 >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE STILL ON THE 9:00 ITEMS SO WE WILL
03:58:42 STILL BE HEREBY AT 8:00.
03:58:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, NO.
03:58:45 WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, CM 22-75495.
03:58:51 >>OCEA WYNN: ADMINISTRATIVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
03:58:56 AFFAIRS.
03:58:56 I SUBMITTED A MEMO REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF A MEMORIAL
03:59:00 BENCH AT JULIAN B. LANE IN HONOR OF MS. SAVANNAH MATHIS WHO
03:59:07 LOST HER LIFE TO GUN VIOLENCE.
03:59:10 HER FAMILY HAS DECIDED TO HAVE THE DEDICATION OF THE
03:59:12 MEMORIAL ON AUGUST 24th.
03:59:15 AND I JUST 2022 KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
03:59:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
03:59:24 SHE WAS AUTOPSY UP AND COMING IN ALL ASPECTS.
03:59:28 AND I WANTED TO HONOR HER BECAUSE SHE WAS UP AND COMING.
03:59:33 SO WE WILL GET TOGETHER AND DO THIS FOR THE FAMILY.
03:59:40 THEY HAVE BEEN IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.
03:59:42 >>OCEA WYNN: THANK YOU.
03:59:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. WYNN.
03:59:49 NUMBER 13.
03:59:50 CM 22-73220, TO BE HEARD WITH -- NO, DELETE THAT ONE.
04:00:00 >>KELLY AUSTIN: HUMANS AND TALENT DEVELOPMENT, AND VALERIE
04:00:04 HORTON RAKES, RISK MANAGER, AND WE ARE HERE ON ITEM NUMBER
04:00:11 13 TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
04:00:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
04:00:15 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE SAID THIS BEFORE BUT WE NEED A
04:00:18 DIFFERENT POLICY, AT LEAST FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO
04:00:25 PROBABLY THE MAYOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A $500,000 LIMIT.
04:00:31 IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT STARTS WITH A MUCH SMALLER
04:00:34 AMOUNT.
04:00:36 IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE IN AN ERA OF LITIGATION, AND WE ALL CAN
04:00:42 EASILY RUN UP 20, $30,000 IN FEES, AND WE SAW ONE OF OUR
04:00:50 COLLEAGUES HIT HIS LIMIT, AND HE HAD TO NEGOTIATE.
04:00:54 SO THERE'S STATE LAW ABOUT MAYBE WHEN THE CITY CAN STEP IN,
04:01:04 BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME INSURANCE TO COVER ELECTED
04:01:09 OFFICIALS AGAINST -- NOT TO COMMENT ON ANY EXISTING LAWSUIT
04:01:14 BUT ANY POSSIBLY FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT IN THE FUTURE OTHERWISE
04:01:18 WE ARE GOING TO BE BOMBARDED BY THESE, AND WE NEED -- PEOPLE
04:01:24 NEED TO KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL IS PROTECTED.
04:01:28 CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ONLY EARN FIFTY SOMETHING THOUSAND
04:01:32 DOLLARS A YEAR.
04:01:33 MANY OF US HAVE OTHER JOBS BUT FOR A PART-TIME JOB IT
04:01:36 DOESN'T PAY VERY MUCH.
04:01:37 WE SPEND 60 HOURS A WEEK.
04:01:43 IF WE ARE SUED FOR $100,000 OR MORE, THEN WE HAVE GOT TO
04:01:49 FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEFEND OURSELVES.
04:01:51 AND HAVING A POLITICAL APPOINTEE MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER
04:01:54 WE ARE COVERED OR NOT IS JUST NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.
04:01:56 >>KELLY AUSTIN: YOU WISH I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
04:02:01 SOONER BUT HERE IS A SUGGESTION PERHAPS.
04:02:03 WE COULD INVITE OUR CONSULTANT GALLAGHER TO COME TALK TO
04:02:06 COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE AND WHAT OPTIONS
04:02:09 AREN'T AVAILABLE, IF THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
04:02:13 >>BILL CARLSON: I KIND OF THOUGHT YOU ALL HAD COME UP WITH
04:02:15 OPTIONS HERE BUT IS IT POSSIBLE YOU COULD HAVE A CONSULTANT
04:02:17 OR SOMEONE TALK TO EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN COME
04:02:20 BACK WITH SOME SPECIFIC PROPOSALS AS COUNCILMAN GUDES ALWAYS
04:02:23 SAYS, DON'T TELL US WHAT WE CAN'T DO, TELL US WHAT WE CAN
04:02:26 DO.
04:02:26 WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS?
04:02:29 >>KELLY AUSTIN: I THINK WE COULD ARRANGE THAT, RIGHT?
04:02:32 I COULD WORK WITH GALLAGHER AND COORDINATE IT WITH EACH OF
04:02:36 YOUR OFFICES.
04:02:38 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S SOME LEVEL AT WHICH
04:02:42 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS TO WEIGH IN AND DECIDE
04:02:45 WHETHER THEY DEFEND OR NOT.
04:02:47 BUT IF SOMEBODY ON THE OUTSIDE KNOWS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY
04:02:50 IS NOT GOING TO KICK IN UNTIL A LAWSUIT IS OVER, AND THEN
04:02:57 THEY CAN SEE THE FINANCIAL FILINGS OF SOMEONE, THEY ARE
04:02:59 GOING TO HIT THEM.
04:03:00 AND I AM LUCKY ENOUGH THAT I CAN AFFORD TO DEFEND MYSELF
04:03:04 AGAINST FALSE ACCUSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HITTING ME SO FAR,
04:03:07 BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN DO THAT.
04:03:10 AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT LITIGATION SHOULD NOT BE A
04:03:14 POLITICAL EFFORT.
04:03:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. AUSTIN, WILL THE 25th OF AUGUST BE
04:03:19 ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO GET THE CONSULTANTS TO COME BACK IN
04:03:23 UNDER STAFF REPORTS?
04:03:24 >>KELLY AUSTIN: I BELIEVE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH
04:03:26 THAT.
04:03:27 I CAN VERIFY THAT WITH THEM AND IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEM I CAN
04:03:30 LET THEM KNOW BUT I THINK WE CAN GO WITH THAT DATA.
04:03:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THE 25 THEY'RE OF AUGUST A GOOD DATE?
04:03:36 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT WOULD BE GREAT BUT TO COME BACK WITH A
04:03:40 SPECIFIC PROPOSAL OR MORE THAN ONE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL.
04:03:42 >>KELLY AUSTIN: TO BE CLEAR, DO YOU WANT ME TO ARRANGE FOR
04:03:45 THEM TO MEET WITH YOU AUGUST 25th R OH HE-INDIVIDUALLY
04:03:50 OR COME BACK THE 25th?
04:03:52 >>BILL CARLSON: IT WOULD BE BETTER TO COME TALK TO US AND
04:03:55 THEN THE -- YOU CAN'T CARRY MESSAGES BETWEEN US BUT WHEN YOU
04:03:59 COME BACK BEFORE US, YOU CAN SAY BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS
04:04:01 AND THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS WITH THE CONSULTANTS HERE, HERE IS
04:04:05 ONE OPTION OR THREE OPTIONS OR WHATEVER AND WE ARE GOING TO
04:04:09 HAVE TO FUND IT BECAUSE THE CURRENT SITUATION IS NOT
04:04:12 ACCEPTABLE.
04:04:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN YOU MAKE THAT MOTION?
04:04:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
04:04:18 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT CITY STAFF COME BACK, WHAT WAS THE
04:04:21 DATE, AUGUST 25th.
04:04:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
04:04:25 >>BILL CARLSON: UNDER STAFF REPORTS TO PRESENT OPTIONS FOR
04:04:30 DIRECTORS INSURANCE THAT WILL PROTECT CITY COUNCIL AND THE
04:04:32 MAYOR, BASED ON THE PRIOR CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL
04:04:40 AND THE MAYOR.
04:04:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DATE?
04:04:44 >>KELLY AUSTIN: YES.
04:04:45 I WILL TALK TO GALLAGHER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE
04:04:48 COORDINATING THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS IN ADVANCE OF THAT,
04:04:50 FANNED THERE'S ANY PROBLEM I WILL LET NOW.
04:04:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
04:04:55 BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:04:57 >>LYNN HURTAK: I MAY NOT VOTE FOR THIS BUT ALSO MAY EXCLUDE
04:05:01 MYSELF. IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG AND IF I FOLLOW THE
04:05:03 INSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE IN THE CHARTER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY,
04:05:09 REPRESENT WHOEVER THAT COUNCILMEMBER IS, UNLESS I TELL THE
04:05:13 CITY ATTORNEY I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
04:05:16 THAT'S JUST ME TALKING TO MYSELF.
04:05:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU VOTING NO TODAY?
04:05:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL VOTE NO TODAY.
04:05:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL VOTE NO ALSO.
04:05:27 THE MOTION PASSES.
04:05:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT.
04:05:33 I'M JUST SAYING, THIS IS A NEW WORLD, A NEW TIME, AND THE
04:05:42 PLAYBOOK HAS CHANGED.
04:05:44 AND THE TACTIC THAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE USING IS
04:05:48 EGREGIOUS.
04:05:52 COMING AFTER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
04:05:54 I CAN SEE OTHER PLACES, FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS, YOU KNOW, YOU
04:05:58 DON'T VOTE ON SOMETHING, SOMEONE COMES AFTER YOU TO SUE YOU,
04:06:02 THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED NOW.
04:06:04 EVERY IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INSURED, I'M JUST TELLING
04:06:08 YOU, ATTORNEYS AREN'T CHEAP.
04:06:12 IT AIN'T CHEAP.
04:06:13 SO THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, YOU
04:06:20 DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR DAY WILL COME AND YOU DON'T HAVE NO
04:06:23 MONEY TO PAY FOR, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
04:06:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:06:25 >>BILL CARLSON: AND THE POINT IS THAT, YOU DON'T KNOW
04:06:33 WHETHER SOMEONE DID SOMETHING OR NOT.
04:06:36 ANYONE CAN MAKE A FALSE ACCUSATION.
04:06:38 I WORKED ON LOTS OF LITIGATION REPRESENTING CLIENT, AND
04:06:42 WHOEVER HAS THE MOST MONEY CAN FILE FALSE CLAIMS AGAINST
04:06:45 SOMEONE, AND EMBARRASS THEM, SLANDER THEM, AND THEN IT'S UP
04:06:49 TO THE OTHER SIDE TO WORK TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
04:06:51 AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT.
04:06:53 WHOEVER HAS ENOUGH MONEY WINS.
04:06:55 AND UNLESS -- LUCKILY, TIFF RESOURCES TO DEFEND MYSELF
04:07:01 AGAINST FALSE ACCUSATIONS BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T, THEY
04:07:04 ARE GOING TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE.
04:07:06 AND AT N AT LEAST SEVERAL CASES, THE MAYOR, LEGAL
04:07:12 DEPARTMENT, AND THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT WERE COMPLICIT
04:07:15 IN OPENLY ATTACKING AND ALLEGING FALSE ACCUSATIONS AND
04:07:19 ESPECIALLY AGAINST COUNCILMEMBER GUDES.
04:07:21 THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY.
04:07:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS ALLEGATIONS.
04:07:25 >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S NOT ALLEGATIONS.
04:07:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALLEGATIONS, PLEASE. CAN WE MOVE FORWARD?
04:07:31 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW THE EVIDENCE OF
04:07:33 THAT?
04:07:34 I'M HAPPY --
04:07:35 >> YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED --
04:07:37 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW --
04:07:38 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
04:07:39 >>BILL CARLSON: -- AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DOESN'T MEAN
04:07:41 YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRY TO DO THAT.
04:07:43 THE MAYOR HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO ALLEGE THAT COUNCILMAN
04:07:46 GUDES DID SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T DO.
04:07:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE MOVE FORWARD.
04:07:51 >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE AND IT'S PROBABLY
04:07:53 ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL AT THE VERY LEAST.
04:07:56 YOU CANNOT ALLOW CITY RESOURCES AND STAFF TO BE USED --
04:08:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM CALLING A RECESS RIGHT NOW.
04:08:05 >>BILL CARLSON: ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE CITY OR ARE YOU
04:08:05 REPRESENTING THE MAYOR?
04:08:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M REPRESENTING THE CITY.
04:08:05 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, WELL, STOP TRYING TO CARRY WATER FOR
04:08:07 THE MAYOR.
04:08:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: [SOUNDING GAVEL] WE ARE IN RECESS.
04:08:12 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CAN I TALK TO YOU, PLEASE?
04:08:17 (RECESS)
04:08:23
04:11:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ITEM NUMBER 16.
04:11:49 I APOLOGIZE.
04:11:50 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
04:11:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THAT WAS COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION.
04:11:59 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:12:01 IS THAT CORRECT?
04:12:02 WE TOOK A VOICE VOTE ON IT, BUT CLERK IS ASKING YOU FOR A
04:12:07 ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:12:08 SO ROLL CALL, YES.
04:12:11 OKAY.
04:12:12 ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
04:12:13 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
04:12:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
04:12:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
04:12:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
04:12:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
04:12:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
04:12:29 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE
04:12:31 AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CITRO VOTING NO.
04:12:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
04:12:37 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16.
04:12:38 E-2022-8 CHAPTER 18.
04:12:50 I GUESS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE PUT
04:12:56 OFF, COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED FOR A CONVERSATION BETWEEN
04:13:00 CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
04:13:05 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:13:06 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT
04:13:08 THIS TODAY.
04:13:09 WE ARE RUNNING CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE.
04:13:13 IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD TAKE -- JUST SAY THAT WE TAKE AN
04:13:18 HOUR OR TWO ANOTHER ONE OF THE MEETINGS BEFORE THE END OF
04:13:22 AUGUST?
04:13:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO PICK A DATE?
04:13:25 >>BILL CARLSON: ONLY CHOICE IS NEXT WEEK.
04:13:40 IF WE DO AUGUST 4th, I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF NOT TO ADD
04:13:44 LOTS OF ITEMS, ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON THIS DAY.
04:13:48 WE NEED AT LEAST AN HOUR TO DISCUSS IT.
04:13:51 WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS WE JUST GO THROUGH A LIST OF WHAT WE
04:13:53 WANT, WE VOTE UP OR DOWN ON EACH CONCEPT AND THEN WE MAKE A
04:13:57 MOTION TO ASK LEGAL STAFF TO DRAFT THE LANGUAGE, AND THEN --
04:14:05 >> MR. MASSEY, WOULD THERE HAVE TO BE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THIS
04:14:09 DISCUSSION?
04:14:10 >>MORRIS MASSEY: MS. ZELMAN IS --
04:14:13 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
04:14:16 I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT TIMING.
04:14:18 WE DID CONSULT WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE, AS
04:14:22 DID ATTORNEY SHELBY, AND TO GET SOMETHING ON THE NOVEMBER
04:14:29 ELECTION BALLOT, THE LANGUAGE HAS TO BE TO THE SUPERVISOR OF
04:14:33 ELECTIONS OFFICE IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH BY NO LATER
04:14:39 THAN AUGUST 23rd.
04:14:43 SO TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE, IF WE TALK ABOUT IT NEXT
04:14:48 WEEK THERE, ISN'T ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE TWO HEARINGS TO
04:14:51 DEPARTMENT BY ORDINANCE.
04:14:52 WE HAVE TO ADOPT BY ORDINANCE LANGUAGE TO GO ON A
04:14:57 REFERENDUM.
04:14:58 AND YOU HAVE ALREADY ASKED US TO DO IT ON THAT ACCELERATED
04:15:02 SCHEDULE FOR THE ORDINANCE TO HAVE FIRST READING AND THEN AN
04:15:07 ORDINANCE A WEEK FROM TODAY.
04:15:08 SO TO TRY TO DO CHARTER AMENDMENT AS WELL, I WOULD CAUTION
04:15:12 YOU.
04:15:14 I THINK THAT'S TOO ACCELERATED OF A SCHEDULE.
04:15:17 I WENT BACK WHEN WE ALL SERVED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
04:15:21 COMMISSION, A RECOMMENDATION WAS GIVEN TO THAT CITY COUNCIL
04:15:25 IN MAY, MAY 24th OF 2018, AND THEN ULTIMATELY HAD FIRST
04:15:31 READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON AUGUST 8th, AND THEN SECOND
04:15:36 READING AND ADOPTION ON AUGUST 23rd.
04:15:38 AND THAT WAS TO PUT IT ON THE MARCH 2019 BALLOT.
04:15:44 AGAIN WE COULD DO THE SAME THING THIS GO AROUND, DISCUSS
04:15:47 CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR THE MARCH 2023 BALLOT.
04:15:51 THE DEADLINE FOR THAT IS SOMETIME IN JANUARY.
04:15:54 SO I THINK -- I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT'S REALISTIC TO TRY TO
04:15:58 DO SOMETHING AS SIGNIFICANT AS AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION OF
04:16:01 THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TRY TO RUSH IT WITHIN THE NEXT -- IN
04:16:06 LESS THAN THREE WEEKS TIME, BASICALLY, TO GET IT ON THE
04:16:10 BALLOT.
04:16:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:16:12 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST SAY WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE
04:16:15 BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, AND LEGAL DELAYED US, THEN OUR
04:16:19 ATTORNEY WAS OUT SICK, AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.
04:16:22 WE HAD A CONSULTANT WHO HAD COVID.
04:16:26 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ADD IT TO THE SAME MUST BE HEARING
04:16:29 DATES THAT WE HAVE THE OTHER ONE COMING UP, AND IF NOT WE
04:16:33 ARE GOING TO HAVE IT DURING THE ELECTION, AND THAT'S FINE.
04:16:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: TO DO THAT, AGAIN, YOU ASKED US TO COME
04:16:39 BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE FOR THE RENT CONTROL A WEEK FROM
04:16:42 TODAY.
04:16:43 IF YOU WANTED THE SAME SCHEDULE FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS, YOU
04:16:47 WOULD HAVE TO GIVE US THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE TODAY SO WE
04:16:50 COULD GET IT TO YOU BY NEXT WEEK.
04:16:51 AND THEN, THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY ACCELERATED SCHEDULE.
04:16:56 AS NOW WE DON'T NORMALLY THROW TOGETHER SIGNIFICANT
04:16:59 ORDINANCES IN LESS AN WEEK'S TIME.
04:17:02 AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE PREROGATIVE, BUT IT SEEMS VERY, VERY
04:17:09 HASTY AND RUSHED TO ME TO TRIBE TO DO IT ON THAT SCHEDULE,
04:17:12 AGAIN WHEN YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF PUTTING IT ON THE MARCH
04:17:16 BALLOT.
04:17:22 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I HAVE ONE THAT I THINK IS
04:17:24 CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
04:17:27 IT'S ACCELERATED NOW BUT IT WASN'T ACCELERATED SEVERAL
04:17:32 MONTHS AGO. IF WE HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING ELSE ON MARCH,
04:17:34 THAT'S FINE.
04:17:35 BY I HAVE ONE AT LEAST THAT I WOULD PROPOSE LANGUAGE.
04:17:43 DO YOU WANT ME TO THROW IT OUT?
04:17:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.
04:17:47 >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE SEEN AN INHERENT CONFLICT OF
04:17:54 INTEREST IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE VERY
04:17:57 GOOD PEOPLE IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WHEN HAVING TO CHOOSE
04:18:01 BETWEEN THREE CLIENTS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS, LEGAL
04:18:04 DEPARTMENT OFTEN RUNS INTO CONFLICT.
04:18:05 I UNDERSTAND EVEN IN CRB MEETING A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO THERE
04:18:09 WAS LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUT FORWARD THAT I DON'T THINK THE
04:18:12 CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE APPROVED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH
04:18:15 CLIENTS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WAS REPRESENTING.
04:18:17 AND SO I HAVE TALKED TO MANY LAWYERS IN AROUND THE FLORIDA
04:18:21 BAR ABOUT THIS, AND THIS AREA IS KIND OF FUZZY AROUND
04:18:27 CITIES, BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO, MIAMI IS AN EXAMPLE,
04:18:32 AND IT'S NOT A PERFECT EXAMPLE, BUT MIAMI HAS AN ATTORNEY
04:18:35 THAT REPRESENTS THE MAYOR, AND I THINK -- I WOULD LIKE TO
04:18:39 MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A DRAFT
04:18:44 ORDINANCE ON THE SAME DATES, WHAT IS IT, AUGUST 4th, AND
04:18:52 AUGUST 18TH, TO PUT ON THE BALLOT A QUESTION, A PROPOSED
04:19:01 CHARTER AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD CREATE AN ATTORNEY FOR THE
04:19:06 MAYOR, AN ATTORNEY THAT WOULD REPRESENT THE MAYOR, IN THE
04:19:09 POSITION OF MAYOR, NOT INDIVIDUALLY, AND THEN SPECIFY THAT
04:19:13 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REPRESENTS THE CITY AS A WHOLE,
04:19:17 NOT THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL
04:19:23 ATTORNEY THE RIGHT TO HIRE STAFF AND OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS
04:19:29 SUBJECT TO A BUDGET THAT'S APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THE
04:19:32 MAYOR.
04:19:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY?
04:19:43 >> AT THE EVENING MEETING ON THE 19th.
04:19:48 AT THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE OTHER ONE WE JUST PROPOSED
04:19:50 TODAY.
04:19:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY QUESTION IS WHO THEN HIRES OR
04:19:55 SELECTS OR APPOINTS THE CITY ATTORNEY?
04:19:57 NOT THE MAYOR'S ATTORNEY, BUT WHERE DOES THE CITY ATTORNEY
04:20:01 COME FROM?
04:20:02 WHO MAKES THAT HIRING DECISION?
04:20:04 HR?
04:20:05 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A PROCESS FOR HIRING
04:20:09 THE CITY ATTORNEY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK THAT WE
04:20:15 OUGHT TO ALSO GET CITY COUNCIL ON UNANIMOUS VOTE OR
04:20:20 TWO-THIRDS VOTE THE RIGHT TO FIRE THE CITY ATTORNEY, ALSO.
04:20:25 CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO BE NEUTRAL.
04:20:27 AND CITY ATTORNEYS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN USED AS WEAPONS
04:20:32 AGAINST CITY COUNCIL AND TO SOME DEGREE HERE.
04:20:33 WE NEED TO -- THERE ARE GREAT PEOPLE, MS. ZELMAN AND MR.
04:20:41 MORRIS ARE GREAT EXAMPLES.
04:20:42 BUT TO PROTECT THEM, AND THEIR CLIENT IS THE CITY, THEN
04:20:48 CLEARLY WHO IT IS.
04:20:49 THEY ARE NOT REPRESENTING US.
04:20:51 THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY.
04:20:56 THE MAYOR WILL HAVE HER ATTORNEY THAT WILL BE SEPARATE FROM
04:20:59 THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL VERY WELL THEIR OWN
04:21:04 ATTORNEYS.
04:21:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:21:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I TALKED TO A COUPLE FORMER CITY
04:21:11 ATTORNEYS.
04:21:14 AND THESE GUYS, LONG TIME, AND ONE GENTLEMAN TOLD ME, SAID,
04:21:22 YEAH, I WAS TOLD TO DO AN ASSIGNMENT AND GAVE THE ANSWER AS
04:21:27 THE CORRECT ANSWER, BUT MY BOSS SAYS I DON'T PAY YOU TO
04:21:31 DO --
04:21:38 AND BEING A CITY EMPLOYEE FOR NOW COUNCIL THEN, I'M YOUR
04:21:47 BOSS, YOU DO WAY TELL YOU TO DO.
04:21:49 AND I HATE TO SAY THAT.
04:21:51 AND WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE HERE.
04:21:52 BUT TO ME THEY HAVE A BOSS.
04:21:58 THEY HAVE A BOSS.
04:22:03 MARTY IS HERE.
04:22:05 WE ARE HIS BOSS.
04:22:09 SO I THINK MR. CARLSON IS RIGHT.
04:22:11 THIS THING HAS BECOME VERY POLITICAL NOW.
04:22:14 THE CITY IS GROWING.
04:22:15 POLITICS IS -- I BELIEVE THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE HER OWN
04:22:19 ATTORNEY.
04:22:20 COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEY.
04:22:22 >>MORRIS MASSEY: I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM CITY CLERK'S OFFICE
04:22:26 AND THIS EFFECTS CONTROL ORDINANCE THAT YOU PROPOSED EARLIER
04:22:30 TODAY AND THIS DISCUSSION, THEY DO NOT HAVE TIME TO DO THE
04:22:34 NOTICE BETWEEN THE AUGUST 4th AND AUGUST 18th
04:22:37 MEETING TO COMPLY WITH FLORIDA LAW.
04:22:40 SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT NEITHER ONE OF THESE
04:22:45 THINGS WILL BE ABLE TO -- IN ORDER TO GET THESE THINGS ON
04:22:49 THE BALLOT, THEY MUST BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE, AND THERE ARE
04:22:52 PUBLICATION DEADLINES REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, STATUTORY TIME
04:22:57 FRAMES THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
04:22:58 >>BILL CARLSON: BUT WE CAN SET UP A SEPARATE -- MS. HURTAK
04:23:03 IS SETTING UP A SPECIAL MEETING, RIGHT?
04:23:06 WE CAN SET IT UP FOR THE 19th THROUGH THE 23rd OR
04:23:09 WHATEVER?
04:23:09 >>LYNN HURTAK: NEXT WEEK?
04:23:12 >>MORRIS MASSEY: WE MAY NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE CITY CLERK
04:23:15 HE'S OFFICE.
04:23:18 >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE FIND OUT WHAT THOSE DEADLINES ARE?
04:23:23 FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE?
04:23:27 >> THIS IS SULING LUCAS WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
04:23:32 FOR NOTICE TO BE PROVIDED, IT HAS TO BE TEN-DAY NOTICE,
04:23:36 WHICH PUTS US AS IF YOU CHOOSE AUGUST 4, THAT WILL NOT GIVE
04:23:39 US ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE PUBLICATION TO THE NEWSPAPER
04:23:44 COMPANIES, SO THE DEADLINE TO GET THEM TO THE NEWSPAPER
04:23:47 COMPANIES IS BY WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 10th, AND THAT'S GOING
04:23:51 TO BE SHORTENING THE TIME.
04:23:53 SO IT ALL DEPENDS IF YOU CHOOSE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE ON
04:23:56 FIRST READING, AT THAT TIME WE COULD DETERMINE THE NEXT
04:24:00 AVAILABLE DATE TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE
04:24:03 PUBLICATION.
04:24:05 >>BILL CARLSON: SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP TWO SPECIAL
04:24:07 MEETINGS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
04:24:10 >> SULING LUCAS: NO, IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE THE FIRST
04:24:13 READING ON AUGUST 4th THAT'S FINE.
04:24:15 BUT ON AUGUST 4th WE NEED TO DECIDE WHEN THE SECOND
04:24:18 READING WILL BE HELD.
04:24:19 SO IF YOU DECIDE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE SECOND
04:24:21 READING, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE ENOUGH TIME FRAME FOR ME TO BE
04:24:24 ABLE TO PROVIDE PUBLICATION.
04:24:26 >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND DATE MAY HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT
04:24:29 FROM THE 18th.
04:24:30 >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDED DATE BE?
04:24:32 >> SULING LUCAS: IT ALL DEPENDS ON COUNCIL'S AVAILABILITY.
04:24:37 SO WE HAVE AUGUST 4th.
04:24:39 WE CAN EVEN MAKE THE AUGUST 25th MEETING, BUT I KNOW YOU
04:24:43 HAVE A DEADLINE.
04:24:45 >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE 23rd IS THE ABSOLUTE DEADLINE FOR
04:24:47 THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS SO IT CAN'T HAPPEN AFTER THAT.
04:24:51 >>BILL CARLSON: WHY CAN'T WE DO IT THE 18TH AT NIGHT?
04:24:58 >> WE CAN'T ADVERTISE THAT ONE TEN DAYS IN ADVANCE, CORRECT?
04:25:01 >>SULING LUCAS: CORRECT.
04:25:02 >>BILL CARLSON: ON THE 18th.
04:25:03 YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE THAT.
04:25:04 BECAUSE YOU HAVE 14 DAYS, RIGHT?
04:25:09 >>SULING LUCAS: WELL, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE NEWSPAPER
04:25:10 ONLY RUNS ON CERTAIN DAYS, SO OUR PUBLISHER LA GACETA, THEY
04:25:17 ONLY PUBLISH ON FRIDAY, SO THAT WOULD BE THE 12th.
04:25:19 THAT'S NOT GOING MEET THE DEADLINE.
04:25:21 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
04:25:24 SO WHEN DID YOU SAY THE DEADLINE IS FOR THE --
04:25:29 >> AUGUST 23rd TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.
04:25:32 >>LYNN HURTAK: SO CAN WE MEET NEXT WEEK EARLIER THAN THE
04:25:41 4th?
04:25:43 THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
04:25:45 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
04:25:46 >>SULING LUCAS: IT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE EITHER
04:25:52 AUGUST 1st OR 2nd.
04:25:54 SO FIRST READING.
04:25:59 (MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS)
04:26:01 >>MORRIS MASSEY: BEFORE DISCUSSING IT --
04:26:04 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT THE 19th OR THE 22ND FOR THE
04:26:06 SECOND MEETING?
04:26:07 >>SULING LUCAS: LET'S SEE.
04:26:09 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS FOR THE RENT CONTROL, TOO, THAT
04:26:15 ONE.
04:26:16 >>SULING LUCAS: THE 22ND WOULD BE YOUR BEST BET.
04:26:19 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST AMEND MY MOTION AND MAKE IT
04:26:22 THE 4th AND THE 22ND, AND THEN WE COULD DO A SEPARATE
04:26:25 MOTION ON THE OTHER ONE.
04:26:26 >>SULING LUCAS: YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE A MOTION JUST TO
04:26:30 SCHEDULE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON AUGUST 22ND FIRST, AND
04:26:33 THEN SCHEDULE THOSE ITEMS ON THAT DAY.
04:26:40 >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD WE FINISH THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE
04:26:42 FLOOR AND THEN COME BACK TO THAT SCHEDULING MOTION?
04:26:44 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MAY I COMMENT ON MR. CARLSON'S MOTION?
04:26:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE.
04:26:52 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE
04:26:57 WE ALWAYS CONSIDER OUR CLIENT TO BE THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND
04:27:00 THAT INCLUDES THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, ALL THE
04:27:04 DEPARTMENTS.
04:27:05 WE DON'T CONSIDER YOU SEPARATE AND APART AND AGAINST EACH
04:27:12 OTHER, IF YOU WILL.
04:27:13 WE VIEW YOU ALL, AND ALL OF US, AS PART OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
04:27:18 IN REPRESENTING CITY OF TAMPA, AS AN ENTITY.
04:27:21 YOU ARE ONE PART OF IT.
04:27:22 THE MAYOR IS ONE PART OF IT.
04:27:25 THE DEPARTMENTS ARE ONE PART OF IT.
04:27:26 AND WE REPRESENT ALL OF YOU.
04:27:28 AND WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
04:27:30 SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU KEEP
04:27:33 SAYING WE HAVE DIFFERENT CLIENTS, BUT OUR CLIENT IS THE CITY
04:27:35 OF TAMPA.
04:27:38 THAT ASIDE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE
04:27:43 INTRIGUING, CREATING A NEW SEPARATE ATTORNEY FOR THE MAYOR,
04:27:49 REWRITING THE ROLE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, REWRITING
04:27:56 THE PERSONNEL IN THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
04:28:00 BUT EACH OF THOSE SEPARATE AND A PART IS PRETTY COMPLICATED.
04:28:04 THESE ARE NOT SIMPLE THINGS THAT I CAN JUST THROW TOGETHER
04:28:08 IN AN ORDINANCE.
04:28:12 BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY CHANGING ASPECT OF OUR CURRENT FORM
04:28:16 OF GOVERNMENT.
04:28:19 AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE FURTHER WHETHER THAT
04:28:22 COULD EVEN WORK, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.
04:28:25 I AM NOT ARGUING THAT THEY ARE BAD IDEAS OR GOOD IDEAS, BUT
04:28:28 I DO THINK THAT THEY DESERVE MORE STUDY, AND I CAN TELL YOU,
04:28:32 WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY OF
04:28:35 TAMPA AMENDED THE CHARTER BACK IN 2014 TO CREATE THE
04:28:39 POSITION OF CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, WE WERE TO MY
04:28:44 UNDERSTANDING THE FIRST LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THE STATE TO DO
04:28:47 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
04:28:49 IT BECAME A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT LOCAL GOVERNMENT ANNUAL
04:28:54 SEMINARS.
04:28:56 WE RECENTLY HAD ONE OF OUR INTERNS RESEARCH, AND THERE'S NO
04:29:00 OTHER CITY IN THE STATE THAT WE COULD FIND WITH A STRONG
04:29:05 MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT LIKE WE HAVE THAT HAS A SEPARATE
04:29:09 CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
04:29:12 IT'S AN ATTORNEY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHO SITS
04:29:14 WITH THE COUNCIL.
04:29:16 ONE CITY FOLLOWED OUR LEAD IN 2014, I BELIEVE IT WAS
04:29:20 PENSACOLA, AND GAVE THEMSELVES THE RIGHT IN THEIR CHARTER TO
04:29:24 HAVE A SEPARATE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BUT NEVER IMPLEMENTED
04:29:28 IT.
04:29:28 THEY STILL HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
04:29:31 SITTING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
04:29:33 MY POINT BEING THAT EVEN WHAT WE DID IN 2014 STILL RAISES
04:29:39 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY VERSUS
04:29:43 THE ROLE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, HAVING A NEW ELEMENT TO THAT,
04:29:49 HAVING A SEPARATE MAYOR'S ATTORNEY, I JUST THINK WARRANTS
04:29:52 MORE STUDY, AND TO JUST PUT THAT INTO AN ORDINANCE, AGAIN IN
04:29:57 LESS THAN A WEEK'S TIME, AND PUT IT UP TO THE VOTERS BEFORE
04:30:00 WE REALLY EVALUATED IT, GIVES ME GREAT CONCERN.
04:30:04 >>BILL CARLSON: WE JUST APPROVED UNION CONTRACTS TODAY THAT
04:30:07 WE GOT THE INFORMATION ON YESTERDAY.
04:30:09 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: BUT MY POINT IS THESE ARE COMPLICATED
04:30:14 LEGAL ISSUES, AND --
04:30:17 >>BILL CARLSON: GRAY ROBINSON HAS TWO FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS
04:30:20 WHO CAN LOOK AT THIS IF WE PAY THEM.
04:30:23 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I SUSPECT IF I WERE DISCUSS THIS WITH THEM
04:30:26 THEY WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH ME, THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING
04:30:28 ABOUT IS NOT SIMPLE.
04:30:29 IT REALLY IS CHANGING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT AS IT IS
04:30:34 CURRENTLY DESCRIBED IN OUR CHARTER.
04:30:37 AGAIN, MAYBE THEY ARE GREAT IDEAS.
04:30:39 I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE GOOD OR BAD.
04:30:42 I JUST THINK THEY WARRANT MORE THOUGHT.
04:30:44 >>BILL CARLSON: WITHOUT BRINGING --
04:30:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I UNDERSTAND THE RENT CONTROL, THE SENSE
04:30:48 OF URGENCY.
04:30:50 THIS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SENSE OF URGENCY TO COMPLETELY
04:30:53 CHANGE OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT WITHOUT PUTTING MORE THOUGHT
04:30:56 ABOUT IT.
04:30:57 THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
04:30:57 >>BILL CARLSON: WITHOUT GOING INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF IT WE
04:31:00 HAVE AT LEAST THREE SITTING COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO I BELIEVE
04:31:03 WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKED AGAINST THEM AND THIS
04:31:07 COULD RESULT IN LAWSUITS, COULD RESULT IN BAR COMPLAINTS,
04:31:10 AND WE NEED -- WE DESPERATELY NEED TO FIX THIS, BECAUSE
04:31:14 OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO END UP INTO THE CATASTROPHIC
04:31:17 FIGHTS IN THIS CITY, AND WE NEED THE VOTERS TO CLARIFY THIS.
04:31:24 YOU KNOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BEFORE
04:31:29 US AND TAKE AN OATH THAT NO OPINIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE
04:31:34 WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IN ADDITION TO THE MAYOR.
04:31:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AND I WOULD SAY ARE WE SURE WHAT YOU ARE
04:31:43 PROPOSING ARE GOING TO AFFECT THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU
04:31:46 ASSERTED, WHICH AGAIN NOT NECESSARILY AGREEING WITH YOU BUT
04:31:49 I AM NOT SURE HAVING THREE SEPARATE ATTORNEYS -- AGAIN, I
04:31:53 THINK IT WARRANTS STUDY.
04:31:54 I THINK IT WARRANTS CONSIDERATION.
04:31:57 I'M CONCERNED ABOUT RUSHING IT ONTO A BALLOT.
04:32:01 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD DO THAT WITHOUT PUTTING MORE
04:32:05 THOUGHT AND CONSIDERATION INTO IT.
04:32:11 I MEAN, AGAIN, TRYING TO MEET THESE DEADLINES IS
04:32:16 EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT UNDER ANY SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES,
04:32:21 AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE SENSE OF URGENCY THAT WAS
04:32:26 DRIVING THE PUSH TO DO IT FOR THE RENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.
04:32:29 I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SENSE OF URGENCY TO DO THAT RIGHT
04:32:32 NOW.
04:32:34 ON TOP OF THE RENT CONTROL ORDINANCE AS WELL.
04:32:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
04:32:49 COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
04:32:52 ARE YOU PROCEEDING WITH YOUR MOTION?
04:32:54 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, PLEASE, WITH THE CHANGE WE WOULD MAKE
04:32:56 THE SECOND DATE THE 22ND.
04:32:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU STILL SECONDING THAT MOTION?
04:33:02 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
04:33:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SPEAK.
04:33:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU OR DO YOU WANT
04:33:07 TO SPEAK NOW, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
04:33:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO WHATEVER YOU WISH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
04:33:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
04:33:15 CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:33:19 ANY DISCUSSION?
04:33:23 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
04:33:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:33:25 AS YOU SIT HERE AND LISTEN, THE IDEA THE GOOD, IDEAS
04:33:31 SOMETIMES DON'T FIT THE BOX.
04:33:34 BUT YOU ACQUAINT YOURSELF TO THAT.
04:33:41 SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET AT IS THIS.
04:33:43 IF YOU HAVE A SEPARATION OF ATTORNEYS, ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE
04:33:46 AND ONE ON THIS SIDE, AND THEY HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION,
04:33:49 WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU WANT.
04:33:53 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT SUING THE
04:33:56 OTHER, WHICH IS POSSIBLE, ONE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT SUING
04:33:59 THE OTHER PART OF GOVERNMENT, AND WHOEVER THAT GOVERNMENT IS
04:34:04 NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME FOREVER.
04:34:07 SO WE HAVE BEEN UNDER THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
04:34:11 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.
04:34:12 I TELL YOU WHAT, I CAME ON IN 1974 ON AND OFF.
04:34:16 AND IN 1974, WE HAD ONE CITY COUNCIL, ONE CITY ATTORNEY
04:34:24 NAMED HENRY WILLIAMS, AND MAYBE HE HAD 3 OR 4 SIDE
04:34:29 ATTORNEYS.
04:34:29 IT WAS DIFFERENT THEN.
04:34:30 IT WASN'T LEGAL AS IT IS NOW.
04:34:33 SO THE MORE YOU GET, THE LEAST PROBABLE YOU HAVE THAT IT'S
04:34:39 GOING TO BE CORRECT.
04:34:40 BECAUSE YOU HAVE ANOTHER IDEA.
04:34:43 WHAT ABOUT IF THAT INDIVIDUAL ON THE OTHER SIDE DON'T LIKE
04:34:46 EACH OTHER?
04:34:47 WHAT IF LEGALLY THEY HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION?
04:34:49 WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GO THEN?
04:34:51 TO COURT TO FIGHT?
04:34:53 YOU ARE GOING TO PAY TWO ATTORNEYS THAT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT
04:34:55 EACH OTHER IN COURT TO BE SEE WHO IS RIGHT, I GUESS.
04:34:58 THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
04:35:02 WAY SEE HERE -- AND ONE DAY I WILL SPEAK TO IT WHAT I THINK,
04:35:05 AND I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT TODAY -- SOMETHING THAT I HAVE
04:35:09 KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME.
04:35:11 I AM NOT GOING TO BRING IT UP TODAY.
04:35:15 YOU HAVE A SITUATION HERE BESIDES WHAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK
04:35:20 ABOUT.
04:35:20 YOU CANNOT HAVE A DIVIDED GOVERNMENT AND GO FORWARD, LIKE
04:35:24 HAVING THREE LEGS, WHERE YOU ONLY HAVE TWO.
04:35:30 BUT THE THIRD LEG MAY STUMBLE A LOT.
04:35:34 SO IF YOU WANT TO STUMBLE, KEEP DIVIDING THE GOVERNMENT, AND
04:35:37 YOU ARE GOING TO FIND WHAT YOU HAVE.
04:35:40 IF YOU THINK WASHINGTON IS NOT DOING THE JOB, GOD BLESS YOU,
04:35:45 TAMPA IS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN WASHINGTON.
04:35:47 KEEP HIRING ATTORNEYS AND KEEP FIGHTING EACH OTHER, AND SEE
04:35:50 WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE END OF THE DAY.
04:35:54 THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
04:35:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
04:35:59 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:36:00 >>BILL CARLSON: WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE LEGAL
04:36:03 ADVICE, THE LIABILITY THING THAT THE LEGAL ADVICE IS
04:36:08 FOLLOWING THE INTENT OF COUNCIL.
04:36:11 YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MULTIPLE SITUATIONS, I CAN GIVE YOU ALL
04:36:19 THE SPECIFICS THAT YOU WANT, WE HAVE MULTIPLE SITUATION
04:36:21 WHERE IS THE CITY WORKED AGAINST THREE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
04:36:26 LEAKING INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS,
04:36:28 MAKING STATEMENT OUT OF SCHOOL.
04:36:29 I CAN TELL YOU ALL OF THEM IF YOU WANT.
04:36:31 ALSO SPENDING $100,000 PLUS I DON'T KNOW WHAT WITH ANOTHER
04:36:35 ATTORNEY TO INVESTIGATE A CITY COUNCILMAN WITHOUT TELLING
04:36:38 THEM, GIVING A $200,000 SETTLEMENT WITHOUT GETTING CITY
04:36:42 COUNCIL APPROVAL, AND MAYOR HOLDS A PRESS CONFERENCE, THE
04:36:48 COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT HOLDS PRESS CONFERENCES, AND SENDS
04:36:51 DEFAMATORY INFORMATION ABOUT CITY COUNCIL.
04:36:53 THE SIMPLE SOLUTION IS THAT IT'S NOT ME OR CITY COUNCIL
04:36:56 THAT'S CAUSING THIS DIVISIVENESS, IT'S SOMEBODY IN THE
04:36:59 MAYOR'S OFFICE.
04:36:59 THE SIMPLE WAY TO SOLVE IT, THE SIMPLE WAY TO BRING THIS
04:37:02 CITY BACK TOGETHER IS WHEN THE MAYOR COMES HERE NEXT WEEK,
04:37:05 SHE SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO CITY COUNCIL AND COMMIT TO US AND
04:37:08 MORE IMPORTANTLY THE PUBLIC THAT CITY RESOURCES, CITY MONEY
04:37:12 WILL NO LONGER BE USED TO ATTACK CITY COUNCIL.
04:37:15 IF SHE DOES THAT, I WILL DECLARE RIGHT THEN MY LOYALTY AND I
04:37:18 WILL FOLLOW BEHIND.
04:37:19 BUT JUST STRONG GOVERNMENT ONLY MEANS THAT THE MAYOR DOES
04:37:22 NOT SIT ON CITY COUNCIL.
04:37:23 IT DOESN'T MEAN A DICTATORSHIP.
04:37:25 THE REASON I GOT ON CITY COUNCIL IS TO PREVENT A NASTY
04:37:28 DICTATOR LIKE THE LAST ONE FROM TAKING HOLD, AND WHAT WE SEE
04:37:31 IS BRUTALITY IN THE WAY THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS ATTACKED
04:37:35 CITY COUNCIL, THE WAY THEY ATTACKED ORLANDO GUDES IS REALLY
04:37:38 DESPICABLE, AND THE WAY THEY HAVE ATTACKED ME, THE WAY THEY
04:37:42 HAVE ATTACKED OTHERS.
04:37:44 WE CANNOT ALLOW THAT.
04:37:46 THAT IS WHAT'S CAUSING THE DIVISIVENESS IN THE CITY AND WE
04:37:49 HAVE TO STOP THIS.
04:37:50 THE MAYOR IS THE ONE --
04:37:53 >> PLEASE, PLEASE MOVE ON. CAN WE PLEASE MOVE ON?
04:37:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET'S TAKE THIS VOTE AND GO ON.
04:38:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WELL, WE JUST HAD A MEMBER WALK OUT.
04:38:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
04:38:05 EM BE BACK.
04:38:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:38:09 >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE BEEN WAITING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION
04:38:14 AT THE WORKSHOP SINCE JULY, PROBABLY BEFORE THAT.
04:38:20 I AGREE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS SERIOUS, BUT ADDITIONALLY,
04:38:30 YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE A DAY WHEN THIS IS ALL WE TALK ABOUT.
04:38:36 OBVIOUSLY, I SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
04:38:38 I SECONDED IT.
04:38:39 BUT I WANT MORE THAN JUST THIS.
04:38:48 THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT THIS IS A REALLY LONG DISCUSSION THAT
04:38:51 WE ALL NEED TO HAVE WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND I AGREE IT WOULD
04:38:54 BE GREAT FOR EVERYONE TO COME TOGETHER, AND AS LONG AS
04:39:01 THERE'S THE ILLUSION OR FEEL BY SOME PEOPLE THAT THERE ISN'T
04:39:06 A COMING TOGETHER, THEN IT ISN'T GOING TO WORK.
04:39:08 SO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET US TO ALL FEEL LIKE WE ARE ON
04:39:12 THE SAME PAGE, I'M ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO DO.
04:39:15 AND IF THAT MEANS HAVING SEPARATE COUNSEL, THAT'S GREAT.
04:39:21 WHATEVER IT TAKES SO THAT EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THEIR VOICES
04:39:24 ARE HEARD AND WE ALL FEEL PROTECTED.
04:39:26 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND
04:39:35 SUGGEST THAT WE SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CHARTER
04:39:41 AMENDMENTS FOR THE WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, AND THAT WE
04:39:45 NOT ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THAT AGENDA ON SEPTEMBER 22ND.
04:39:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU NOTE THAT COUNCILMAN
04:40:04 CARLSON'S MOTION IS ALSO STATED THAT WE ADD NOTHING ELSE TO
04:40:11 THAT AGENDA THAT DAY.
04:40:12 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FOR THE WORKSHOP.
04:40:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST FOR THE WORKSHOP.
04:40:19 THAT IS NOTED? THEN MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:40:22 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:40:25 I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:40:28 MANISCALCO.
04:40:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BET ARE OFF WITHOUT HAIR.
04:40:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
04:40:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO DISCUSS THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS AT
04:40:46 THE WORKSHOP ARE THE POWER POINTS SET UP?
04:40:50 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
04:40:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
04:40:58 >>LUIS VIERA: NO RESPONSE.
04:41:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
04:41:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
04:41:01 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
04:41:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
04:41:05 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
04:41:07 ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:41:11 >>BILL CARLSON: CO-I MAKE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION JUST TO PUT
04:41:14 THE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION THAT I DESCRIBED BEFORE, THE MAYOR
04:41:21 ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BEING REPRESENTING CITY
04:41:23 ONLY, AND THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY BEING ABLE TO ADD STAFF,
04:41:27 WOULD THAT BE A SPECIFIC PART OF THE DISCUSSION, MAYBE AS A
04:41:32 SEPARATE ITEM BUT CONNECTED?
04:41:34 >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SECOND THAT.
04:41:36 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST THAT WE DISCUSS THAT POSSIBILITY OF
04:41:44 THE ATTORNEY FRAMEWORK THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT THE
04:41:47 MAYOR HAVING AN ATTORNEY, CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENTING ONLY
04:41:50 THE CITY, NOT CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY HAVING
04:41:54 THE RIGHT TO EITHER HIRE STAFF OR OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS AS A
04:41:58 SPECIFIC POINT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT DATE?
04:42:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
04:42:13 >>BILL CARLSON: WE ALREADY PASSED IT.
04:42:15 WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, BUT I THINK IT
04:42:18 WILL GIVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
04:42:21 WE ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO REPORT NECESSARILY BUT JUST TO
04:42:24 HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WILL COME UP IN
04:42:27 THE DISCUSSION ANYWAY, BUT JUST TO PUT ON THE AGENDA THAT WE
04:42:29 WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT IN PARTICULAR.
04:42:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
04:42:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
04:42:35 BID COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:42:38 ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:42:39 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
04:42:43 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
04:42:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
04:42:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
04:42:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
04:42:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
04:42:51 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
04:42:54 VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:42:55 >>SULING LUCAS: CHAIR?
04:42:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
04:43:01 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:43:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC AND IT'S NOT
04:43:04 A MOTION.
04:43:06 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR A CEASE FIRE. I'M TALKING
04:43:13 EVERYBODY.
04:43:14 EVERYBODY.
04:43:14 LET'S JUST START FRESH AND CLEAN.
04:43:17 WE HAVE WASTED SO MUCH TIME ARGUING AND FIGHTING.
04:43:20 I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY.
04:43:21 I'M JUST SAYING, THIS IS NOT WORTH IT.
04:43:25 IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
04:43:26 THIS IS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
04:43:27 WE ARE JUNIOR VARSITY LEVEL OF POLITICS.
04:43:30 I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES BUT ARGUING AT ONE
04:43:33 ANOTHER, I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY, I AM NOT CONSPIRING, BUT
04:43:38 WE CAN'T CONTINUE LIKE THIS.
04:43:39 WE CAN'T.
04:43:40 PEOPLE ATTACKING PEOPLE AND SUING OTHER PEOPLE.
04:43:43 LET'S JUST START FRESH.
04:43:45 THAT'S JUST ME.
04:43:48 I CAN TELL YOU THAT, GETTING ALONG IS POSSIBLE, THAT YOU CAN
04:43:52 MAKE PEACE WITH ENEMIES, AND I THINK WE SHOULD TRY.
04:43:55 I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY.
04:43:57 MAYOR, HERE, WHEREVER.
04:43:59 I AM NOT SAYING ANYBODY IS DOING ANYTHING BUT WE SHOULD
04:44:01 START FRESH.
04:44:02 WE HAVE ALL BEEN THROUGH A LOT WITH COVID.
04:44:04 VERY BUSY YEAR.
04:44:05 VERY BUSY AGENDA.
04:44:07 WE HAVE A VERY BUSY BUDGET COMING UP.
04:44:10 IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT.
04:44:11 LET'S DO OUR JOB, SERVE THE PEOPLE AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
04:44:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF YOU MAKE A MOTION I SECOND IT BECAUSE
04:44:18 THAT'S THE MOST LOGICAL THING I HAVE HEARD IN SIX MONTHS.
04:44:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:44:22 >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CHARTER REVIEW
04:44:25 WORKSHOP.
04:44:25 AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND ALL OF MY BROTHERS WHO SERVED ON
04:44:30 THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WITH ME THAT WE DID GET AN
04:44:33 AMENDMENT PASSED DURING THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION, SO I BELIEVE
04:44:37 THAT ANYTHING THAT WE STILL HAVE A REAL ABILITY TO GET THESE
04:44:44 PASSED IN MARCH, IF WE COME UP WITH AMENDMENT THAT CITIZENS
04:44:52 WANT AND WE PUBLICIZE THEM WELL.
04:44:56 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
04:44:58 WE DID NOT RESOLVE THE -- THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT THE CLERK IS
04:45:01 GOING TO SAY-WE DIDN'T RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF SCHEDULING
04:45:05 AUGUST 20th FOR THE YOUR ITEM, MR. GUDES.
04:45:10 >>MORRIS MASSEY: I BELIEVE THE CLERK WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW
04:45:15 THE SCHEDULING THE 22ND FOR THE SECOND READING.
04:45:18 PROPOSED RENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.
04:45:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: A SPECIAL MEETING ON AUGUST 20th?
04:45:28 >>MORRIS MASSEY: IS THERE A SPECIFIC TIME, CITY CLERK THAT
04:45:31 CHAMBERS ARE AVAILABLE?
04:45:32 IS IT AVAILABLE AT 9 A.M. ON THE 22ND?
04:45:35 >>SULING LUCAS: I AM CHECKING NOW.
04:45:44 IT IS AVAILABLE AT 9 A.M.
04:45:47 WE HAVE A MEETING AT 2:30 P.M.
04:45:48 IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE IT AT 9 A.M. IF POSSIBLE.
04:45:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
04:45:54 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:45:55 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:45:56 ANY OPPOSED?
04:45:58 THANK YOU.
04:45:59 WOW.
04:46:01 SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE ALL DAY.
04:46:05 >>SULING LUCAS: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT I DO HAVE A
04:46:07 HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
04:46:10 CARLSON MADE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE THE CHARTER REVIEW ITEMS
04:46:14 ON SEPTEMBER 22ND AND NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT DAY.
04:46:17 YOU DO HAVE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THE
04:46:22 22ND OF SEPTEMBER.
04:46:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I STAND CORRECTED, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
04:46:28 THAT NOTHING ELSE BE ADDED FOR THAT DAY.
04:46:32 IS THAT CORRECT?
04:46:32 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
04:46:34 >>SULING LUCAS: THAT'S CORRECT.
04:46:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FEELS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL DAY.
04:46:39 AGENDA ITEM 17.
04:46:40 FILE NUMBER E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
04:46:45 MS. WELLS.
04:46:46 >>CATE WELLS: IF COUNCIL DOESN'T MIND, THERE'S AN ITEM 81.
04:46:52 IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR 10:30 THIS
04:46:54 MORNING.
04:46:55 IT HAS BEEN A JOINT REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE TO NEXT WEEK ON
04:46:59 AUGUST 4th, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TAKING THAT ONE ITEM.
04:47:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:47:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HAVE WE OPENED THE HEARING?
04:47:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, WE DID TAKE A VOTE ON.
04:47:11 THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 81.
04:47:18 HPC 22-01-C.
04:47:22 ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO AUGUST 4th.
04:47:25 >>CATE WELLS: AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AGREES TO THAT AS
04:47:27 WELL.
04:47:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES
04:47:30 TO SPEAK TO THAT CONTINUANCE ONLY?
04:47:31 IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE TO SPEAK TO THAT CONTINUANCE ONLY?
04:47:35 SIR, ARE YOU THE REPRESENTATIVE?
04:47:37 >> YES.
04:47:38 SCOTT McLAREN, BANK OF AMERICA TOWER, FOR MS. ASHLEY WHO
04:47:45 IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, REQUESTING A CONTINUE AND WE
04:47:49 GROW WITH MS. WELLS IN ASKING FOR A ONE-WEEK CONTINUANCE.
04:47:52 THANK YOU, SIR.
04:47:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:47:54 DO I HAVE A MOTION?
04:47:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE TO AUGUST 4th AT
04:47:57 10:30 A.M.
04:48:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HPC 22-01-C.
04:48:04 MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
04:48:07 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:48:07 ANY OPPOSED?
04:48:09 THANK YOU, SIR.
04:48:17 SHALL WE CONTINUE WITH THE CONSEQUENCE ANSWERS?
04:48:22 SORRY, MR. COX.
04:48:29 I APOLOGIZE.
04:48:30 82.
04:48:31 THEY ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE 25th OF AUGUST.
04:48:43 WE DIDN'T OPEN IT.
04:48:44 MS. WELLS?
04:48:45 I'M SORRY.
04:48:46 FORGIVE ME, SIR.
04:48:47 MS. WELLS, SINCE WE ARE ON THIS 82, HE'S ASKING FOR A
04:48:51 CONTINUANCE UNTIL AUGUST 25th?
04:48:53 >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE ASKED FOR
04:48:57 THAT TO AN EVENING PETITION. I THINK THAT ALL THAT COUNCIL
04:48:59 WOULD NEED TO DO WOULD BE --
04:49:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S MAKE A MOTION ON THAT, PLEASE. HAVE
04:49:03 A MOTION TO CONTINUE FILE VAC 22-12, TO AUGUST 25th,
04:49:09 MADE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
04:49:12 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:49:14 ANY MOVED?
04:49:14 THANK YOU.
04:49:14 ALSO, LET'S TAKE CARE OF NUMBER 83.
04:49:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE IT BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
04:49:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
04:49:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DE 1-22-41-C.
04:49:28 MADE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
04:49:31 ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
04:49:33 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:49:33 ALL RIGHT.
04:49:34 MR. COTTON, THANK YOU.
04:49:37 >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
04:49:39 THERE ARE A COUPLE OF FIRST READINGS OF TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT
04:49:43 COUNCIL HEARD AT THEIR APRIL 28th WORKSHOP.
04:49:51 FIRST IS ITEM 17 WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT TO REGARDING
04:49:54 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, TO CHANGE TO CHAPTER 43 THE DEFINITION
04:49:57 OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, AND 27-283.11 WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL
04:50:03 VEHICLE SECTION IN THE CODE.
04:50:04 THERE'S ONE AT THAT HEARING A GENTLEMAN FROM BELMONT HEIGHTS
04:50:09 SPOKE, HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE, SO BETWEEN FIRST
04:50:11 AND READING WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK AND MAKE A CHANGE.
04:50:15 IT'S BASICALLY TO THE DEFINITION OF PERSONAL VEHICLE, IN
04:50:18 ADDITION TO THE CODE, AND IT'S THE PART THAT SAYS MAY
04:50:21 INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO AUTOMOBILES, PRIVATE PICKUPS
04:50:24 TRUCKS AND VANS, AS WE PROPOSE TO BE -- HAD ISSUES ABOUT HOW
04:50:30 THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE INTERPRETED.
04:50:32 AT THE WORKSHOP COUNCIL WAS OKAY WITH THAT CHANGE BUT IT
04:50:35 DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE SO BETWEEN FIRST AND
04:50:38 SECOND READING WE WILL BE STRIKING OUT LANGUAGE. OTHER THAN
04:50:44 THAT, IT'S JUST A CHANGE TO THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL
04:50:46 VEHICLES AND ALLOW PEOPLE WHO DRIVE LARGER PICKUP TRUCKS OR
04:50:49 WHATEVER TO ACTUALLY PARK THEM AT THE HOUSE THEY LIVE IN
04:50:52 WITHOUT BEING CITED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR HAVING A
04:50:56 COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
04:50:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
04:51:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT.
04:51:03 I JUST WANT SOME CLARITY WHERE IT SAYS COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT,
04:51:06 VEHICLE, WHAT THEY ARE.
04:51:07 IS IT MACHINERY COMMERCIAL, CONTAINERS, INCLUDING BOX
04:51:15 TRUCKS?
04:51:18 RECREATIONAL VEHICLES?
04:51:21 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES?
04:51:23 TRACTOR TRAILER.
04:51:27 AUTOMOBILES, PICKUP TRUCKS, OR VANS.
04:51:30 WHEN YOU SAY AUTOMOBILES, PICKUP TRUCKS AND VANS --
04:51:36 >>ERIC COTTON: THAT'S THE PART THAT'S BEING ASKED ABOUT. WE
04:51:37 ARE GOING TO STRIKE FROM THE DEFINITION. THAT WAS A REQUEST
04:51:38 FROM BELMONT HEIGHTS.
04:51:38 >> YOU HAVE VEHICLES 3.11 WHAT THEY ARE, BUT 9X22, YOU CAN
04:51:56 HAVE A CAR THAT'S 22 NOW.
04:52:00 >>ERIC COTTON: THAT I BELIEVE IS THE SIZE OF LIKE A 250.
04:52:03 FULL DUAL CAB AND EVERYTHING.
04:52:06 THAT'S WHERE WE GET THAT NUMBER FROM.
04:52:09 BUT SPECIFICALLY A PICKUP TRUCK BEING USED FOR A COMMERCIAL
04:52:12 PURPOSE.
04:52:14 IF IT'S LIKE A FORD EXCURSION AND IT'S SIMPLY DRIVING TO
04:52:17 HOME --
04:52:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TRYING TO BE THE DEVIL'S
04:52:21 ADVOCATE.
04:52:24 ONE THAT HAS A SIGN ON AND THEY BOTH USE IT FOR THE SAME
04:52:27 THING, HOW DO WE DIFFERENTIATE?
04:52:30 >>ERIC COTTON: THAT'S WHAT THIS CODE IS ADDRESSING.
04:52:32 WHERE THIS CODE COMES INTO PLACE, PEOPLE THAT HAVE IT ON THE
04:52:35 SIDE WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK IT AT THEIR HOUSE.
04:52:37 THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK IT IN THE STREET, THEY WOULD
04:52:40 DEFINITELY BE PARKED ON THEIR PROPERTY OVERNIGHT.
04:52:43 BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BY OUR CODE.
04:52:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE -- AND
04:52:49 AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO THEM PARK ON THE PROPERTY, IN OTHER
04:52:55 WORDS, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
04:53:01 >>ERIC COTTON: I UNDERSTAND.
04:53:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
04:53:06 IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TO
04:53:08 THIS?
04:53:10 SEEING NONE.
04:53:15 >>MORRIS MASSEY: IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
04:53:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:53:27 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE E2022-8 CH 27,
04:53:35 NUMBER 17, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
04:53:38 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
04:53:40 RELATING TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS
04:53:42 MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER
04:53:46 27 ZONING CODE, AMENDING SECTION 27-43 DEFINITIONS AMENDING
04:53:51 SECTION 27-283.11 VEHICLE PARKING, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES
04:53:55 OR PART OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR
04:53:59 SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:54:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MAY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY
04:54:04 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:54:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:54:09 ANY OPPOSED?
04:54:10 THANK YOU.
04:54:10 FILE NUMBER E-2022-8-CHAPTER 27.
04:54:17 I APOLOGIZE.
04:54:17 >>THE CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ON AUGUST 25TH,
04:54:23 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
04:54:27 >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
04:54:27 THIS IS AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-318.
04:54:30 THIS IS THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SECTION FOR ENFORCEMENT.
04:54:33 THIS IS AMENDING THE ABILITY TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS IF
04:54:37 COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT THERE IS A DANGER TO PEOPLE'S HEALTH
04:54:40 OR TO THE BUILDING THAT THE EVENT IS TAKING PLACE IN FOR
04:54:45 CONSIDERATION OF A SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION, INSTEAD OF A
04:54:50 30-DAY NOTICE, NARROW IT DOWN TO 15 DAYS.
04:54:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
04:54:56 I HAVE ONE.
04:54:56 IS THIS JUST STRUCTURAL OR COULD THIS BE OTHER CONCERNS AS
04:55:00 FAR AS PEOPLE'S HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE?
04:55:04 >>ERIC COTTON: IT'S A DANGER TO PEOPLE'S HEALTH IS HOW THE
04:55:06 CODE IS GOING TO READ.
04:55:07 THAT WOULD INCLUDE IF THERE IS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE
04:55:15 ON THE SITE.
04:55:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
04:55:16 >> I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
04:55:22 CONSIDERATION, E-2022-8-CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
04:55:29 TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE NOTICE
04:55:30 TIMEFRAME, MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA ORDINANCES,
04:55:33 CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 27, ZONING CODE, AMENDING
04:55:36 SECTION 27-318, EXPIRATION, SUSPENSION, REVOCATION,
04:55:40 APPROVALS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, POSTING OF NOTICE
04:55:44 FOR DISCONTINUANCE OF SALES, EVIDENCE OF RESUMPTION OF
04:55:46 SALES, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
04:55:48 CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
04:55:51 EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:55:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:55:55 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:55:56 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:55:57 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
04:55:59 THANK YOU.
04:56:00 MR. COTTON.
04:56:01 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK AND
04:56:05 COUNCILMEMBER VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:56:08 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 25th,
04:56:11 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
04:56:14 >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
04:56:16 ITEM NUMBER 19 IS AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-140 WHICH IS
04:56:22 THE BONUS CRITERIA. STATE OF FLORIDA PASSED AN AMENDMENT TO
04:56:27 THE STATUTES THAT WOULD INCLUDE GRAYWATER AS A BASIS FOR
04:56:30 GETTING A BONUS.
04:56:32 SO IF THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN UTILIZING GRAYWATER WHICH IS
04:56:37 WASTE FROM BATHS AND SHOWERS, NOT FROM TOILETS AND SUCH,
04:56:44 THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO OUR BONUS CRITERIA, SOMEBODY COULD
04:56:47 TAP INTO IT, TO UTILIZE INCREASE IN THEIR DENSITY OR FLOOR
04:56:53 AREA.
04:56:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU FEEL
04:57:00 COMFORTABLE READING NUMBER 19?
04:57:05 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
04:57:07 I WAS BRIEFED ON THIS.
04:57:10 FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
04:57:16 FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
04:57:18 TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO ADDING GRAYWATER AS A BONUS
04:57:22 PROVISION MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
04:57:24 ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING
04:57:28 SECTION 27-140, BONUS PROVISIONS, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES
04:57:33 OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
04:57:36 SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:57:37 >> SECOND.
04:57:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
04:57:44 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:57:44 ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
04:57:45 >>THE CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON
04:57:49 AUGUST 25th, 2022.
04:57:51 MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:57:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
04:57:57 AGENDA NUMBER 20, E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
04:58:03 >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
04:58:05 THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEFINITION OF MEETINGS OF THE
04:58:09 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF.
04:58:11 THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE BY THE
04:58:14 FLORIDA LEGISLATURE THAT WAS PREEMPTING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
04:58:21 FROM BE REGULATING DESIGN CRITERIA, FOR CITY OF TAMPA,
04:58:26 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND WEST TAMPA THAT ARE NOT IN THE CRA,
04:58:29 PARTS OF EAST TAMPA THAT ARE NOT IN THE CRA, WE WOULD NOT BE
04:58:32 ABLE TO REGULATE THE DESIGN CRITERIA ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AT
04:58:35 THE URGING OF THE COMMUNITY.
04:58:36 THERE WAS AN EXEMPTION FOR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DESIGN
04:58:42 REVIEW BOARD, SO WE ARE AMENDING THE DEFINITION OF OUR DRC
04:58:45 TO INCLUDE THAT TO BE A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
04:58:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
04:58:57 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:58:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: E 2022-8-CHAPTER, AN ORDINANCE FOR FIRST
04:59:05 READING CONSIDERATION. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
04:59:06 FLORIDA RELATING TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE
04:59:08 STAFF DRC MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
04:59:12 ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING
04:59:15 SECTION 27-43, DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-66, INTENT
04:59:20 AND PURPOSE, AMENDING SECTION 27-67, DUTIES, PROVIDING FOR
04:59:25 REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
04:59:29 THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
04:59:30 EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:59:30 >> SECOND.
04:59:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY
04:59:35 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:59:36 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:59:37 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
04:59:38 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMEMBER
04:59:40 VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:59:42 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 25th,
04:59:45 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
04:59:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM 21.
04:59:48 FILE E-2022-8-CHAPTER 27.
04:59:56 >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
04:59:57 THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 27-43, AND 27-127.
05:00:03 23 IS THE DEFINITIONS.
05:00:04 WE ARE AMENDING THE DEFINITION TO THAT SECTION TO INCLUDE
05:00:07 THE DEFINITION OF STREET CAFE.
05:00:09 THIS IS AN OUTGROWTH OF THE CITY'S LIFT-UP PROGRAM WHICH IS
05:00:14 GOING -- WHICH WILL BE EXPIRING.
05:00:17 THIS WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO UTILIZE PARKING SPACES IN THE
05:00:20 ACTUAL STREET.
05:00:22 THEY CAN UTILIZE THOSE PARKING PLACES FOR AN EXTENSION OF,
05:00:26 IF THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK CAFE PERMIT, FOR A RESTAURANT OR
05:00:30 RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, TO UTILIZE PART OF THE STREET.
05:00:34 THAT ACTUAL CODE SECTION THAT ENFORCES THAT REGULATION IS
05:00:38 CHAPTER 22 WHICH IS THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THE CODE.
05:00:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
05:00:49 THANK YOU.
05:00:49 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:00:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NUMBER 21, E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27, BEING
05:00:57 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE IN
05:00:59 THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO STREET CAFE MAKING
05:01:03 REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27,
05:01:06 ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43,
05:01:10 DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-127, CLASSES OF SPECIAL USE
05:01:15 PERMITS, AGENTS OR BODY RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH GENERAL
05:01:19 PROCEDURE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PART OF
05:01:22 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
05:01:25 SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
05:01:25 >> SECOND.
05:01:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED
05:01:30 BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:01:31 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:01:32 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
05:01:33 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
05:01:36 VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
05:01:38 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION TO BE HELD ON AUGUST 25th,
05:01:41 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
05:01:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
05:01:44 AGENDA ITEM 22, E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
05:01:50 >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
05:01:51 THIS IS TO CODIFY PARKING STANDARD FOR OFF-STREET
05:01:56 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
05:01:57 AS YOU SEE IN THE CODE IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND DOES A
05:02:01 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE TO HAVE PARKING AT THE
05:02:03 RETAIL USE, AT THE RETAIL CALCULATION AND THE RESIDENTIAL
05:02:07 CALCULATION, THIS WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY, THEY STILL HAVE TO
05:02:09 MEET THOSE NONRESIDENTIAL PARKING STANDARD, SO LOOKING AT
05:02:13 THE RETAIL USE, THEY HAVE TWO APARTMENTS THAT INVOLVE A
05:02:16 SMALL BUSINESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE ONE SPACE PER
05:02:19 UNIT VERSUS ONE AND A HALF SPACES PER UNIT.
05:02:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
05:02:26 THANK YOU.
05:02:26 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:02:27 >>BILL CARLSON: NOVEMBER FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27,
05:02:34 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
05:02:37 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO
05:02:40 OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA
05:02:44 CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT
05:02:47 AMENDING SECTION 27-283.7 NUMBER OF OFF-STREET PARKING
05:02:53 SPACES PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
05:02:56 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY
05:02:59 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
05:03:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:03:02 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:03:03 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
05:03:04 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
05:03:07 VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
05:03:08 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION TO BE HELD ON AUGUST 25th,
05:03:12 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
05:03:16 >>ERIC COTTON: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
05:03:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CAN YOU PLEASE?
05:03:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PUBLIC SAFETY VICE CHAIR, ITEMS 23
05:03:23 THROUGH 29.
05:03:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
05:03:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED
05:03:28 BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:03:29 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:03:30 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
05:03:36 THANK YOU.
05:03:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 30 THROUGH 40.
05:03:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:03:42 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:03:43 ANY OPPOSED?
05:03:45 THANK YOU.
05:03:47 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, COULD YOU READ 41 THROUGH 47 MINUS 43
05:03:52 AND 44?
05:03:53 >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE ITEMS 41 AND 42 AND 45 THROUGH 47.
05:04:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
05:04:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:04:03 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:04:04 ANY OPPOSED?
05:04:06 THANK YOU.
05:04:06 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CAN YOU MOVE 51?
05:04:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 51 AND MAYBE THE ONLY ONE.
05:04:15 WE MOVED -- 51 IS THE ONLY ONE, I BELIEVE.
05:04:19 MOVE ITEM 51.
05:04:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:04:23 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:04:26 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COULD YOU READ 52 THROUGH 74, AND I'LL
05:04:30 MENTION THE SUBSTITUTE FOR ITEM 70.
05:04:32 >>BILL CARLSON: [OFF MICROPHONE] MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE FOR
05:04:41 70.
05:04:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:04:44 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:04:45 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:04:46 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
05:04:57 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:04:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 75.
05:05:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:05:04 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:05:05 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
05:05:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:05:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING
05:05:12 FOR 76 THROUGH 80.
05:05:13 >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
05:05:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:05:17 SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:05:19 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:05:21 ANY OPPOSED?
05:05:23 THANK YOU.
05:05:27 I BELIEVE THAT CLEARS US.
05:05:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT.
05:05:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY, MADAM CLERK?
05:05:37 DID YOU WANT A ROLL CALL ON THAT?
05:05:40 OKAY.
05:05:41 FANTASTIC.
05:05:42 THANK YOU.
05:05:44 INFORMATION REPORTS.
05:05:45 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:05:45 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
05:05:49 IN THE ERA OF TRYING TO BRING PEACE BACK TO THE CITY I
05:05:54 APOLOGIZE TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR GETTING EMOTIONAL AND UPSET.
05:05:58 THESE ISSUES ARE HOT, AND THE COMMUNITY IS GIVING US
05:06:02 FEEDBACK, AND WE ARE ALSO EXPERIENCING THINGS PERSONALLY.
05:06:05 SO MY INTENTION AND EFFORT IS TO TRY TO GET ALONG WITH
05:06:10 EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY YOU ALL, BUT ALSO STAFF, AND I HOPE
05:06:14 THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FEELS THE SAME WAY AND WE CAN
05:06:16 RESTART AT SOME POINT WITH A COLLEGIAL ENVIRONMENT.
05:06:19 THANK YOU.
05:06:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON --
05:06:25 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
05:06:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE ALL HAVE PASSION AND
05:06:31 I ADMIRE YOUR PASSION.
05:06:33 SO AGAIN, THANK YOU.
05:06:35 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:06:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
05:06:38 PRESENT A COMMENDATION ON OCTOBER 6th TO ROBIN BETHUNE
05:06:44 WHO REPRESENTS LIGHT-UP MBC WHICH HONORS THOSE WHO LOST
05:06:48 THEIR LIVES THROUGH METASTATIC BREAST CANCER.
05:06:51 ROBIN LOST HER DAUGHTER ERICA LAST YEAR TO METASTATIC CANCER
05:06:56 AND OCTOBER IS ALSO METASTATIC BREAST CANCER AWARENESS
05:06:59 MONTH.
05:07:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:07:01 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:07:04 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
05:07:05 ANY OPPOSED?
05:07:07 THANK YOU.
05:07:07 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:07:09 >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A DAY, AND GOING TO
05:07:17 CONTINUE THAT DAY.
05:07:18 YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOMETHING HAPPEN TUESDAY NIGHT.
05:07:20 WE HAD A VOTE BY THE CRB TO RECOMMEND THAT WE PUT SUBPOENA
05:07:27 POWER ON THE BALLOT, AND, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVE POLICY
05:07:31 REQUIRES TRUST FROM THE COMMUNITY.
05:07:34 WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY THERE CAN BE NO TRUST.
05:07:36 THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW
05:07:39 THEY WANT TO BUILD THAT TRUST THROUGH ACCOUNTABILITY.
05:07:42 SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MAKE A MOTION THAT LEGAL COME
05:07:46 BACK TO US ON AUGUST 4th WITH THE ORDINANCE TO PUT THE
05:07:48 CRB SUBPOENA POWER AND INDEPENDENT COUNSEL ON THE BALLOT FOR
05:07:53 VOTERS TO DECIDE, USING THE FOLLOWING CODES AND ORDINANCES
05:07:56 AS A MODEL FOR MIAMI-DADE, BROWARD, KEY WEST, ORANGE COUNTY
05:08:01 AND EVEN OUR OWN CITY CODE.
05:08:03 >> SECOND.
05:08:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOWEVER, MY PERSONAL FEELING IS THAT
05:08:11 ONLY JUDGES, STATE ATTORNEYS, TO ACCUSE SOMETHING THAT'S
05:08:19 HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON, THIS COUNCIL HAS SUBPOENA POWER
05:08:23 THAT'S NEVER BEEN USED.
05:08:24 THAT'S ALL I WILL SAY.
05:08:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK THAT WAS TO HAVE STAFF
05:08:28 REPORT BACK TO US?
05:08:30 >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, IDEALLY, THE GOAL WAS TO GET IT ON THE
05:08:33 BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.
05:08:34 BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE THAT
05:08:38 POSSIBILITY.
05:08:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CITY ELECTION.
05:08:42 >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW.
05:08:43 SO I AM FINE WITH THAT.
05:08:44 I WILL ACTUAL WILL FINE WITH MOVING THE DATE TO AUGUST
05:08:47 4th.
05:08:47 >>MORRIS MASSEY: PERHAPS HAVING A CHARTER WORKSHOP ON THE
05:08:55 2nd 2nd 2nd THAT MIGHT BE A DATE TO BRING
05:08:59 FORWARD DRAFT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHAT
05:09:01 WOULD GO ON THE SPRING BALLOT.
05:09:03 >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE.
05:09:04 I WILL BE FINE WITH THAT.
05:09:05 AGAIN I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT HOW WE ALL FEEL ABOUT
05:09:08 IT, BUT WE HAVE HEARD ENOUGH ABOUT HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT, AND
05:09:11 I FEEL THAT IT REALLY IS JUST UP TO THE VOTERS AT THIS
05:09:15 POINT.
05:09:15 WE ARE LEAVING SO MANY THINGS UP TO THE VOTERS, WE MIGHT AS
05:09:18 WELL ADD ANOTHER THING.
05:09:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:09:24 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
05:09:28 AS COUNCIL MIRANDA SAID WE HAVE SUBPOENA POWER AND THIS IS
05:09:34 NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT EXCEPT MAKING IT
05:09:37 SPECIFICALLY AVAILABLE TO THEM.
05:09:39 THEY COULD USE ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS.
05:09:41 ALL THIS IS DOING IS MAKING AN ATTORNEY AVAILABLE TO THEM.
05:09:44 WITHOUT PUTTING WORDS IN ANYBODY'S MOUTHS?
05:09:46 YOU ALL SHOULD WATCH THE VIDEO FROM THE CRB MEETING THE
05:09:49 OTHER NIGHT AND LOOK AT HOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REPRESENTED
05:09:52 SOME OF THE DISCUSSION, SEE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR
05:09:55 NOT.
05:09:55 BUT I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING BUT I THINK
05:09:59 IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT SURPRISING TO ME, THE
05:10:01 EXISTING CRB THAT WAS MOSTLY NOT APPOINTED BY US REQUESTED
05:10:05 THAT WE DO THIS.
05:10:07 AT LEAST THE FIRST PART OF IT.
05:10:09 SO WE ARE RESPONDING TO THEM AND MEETING THEIR REQUEST.
05:10:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
05:10:17 HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:10:20 ANY DISCUSSION?
05:10:23 I NEED TO SAY THIS.
05:10:24 I THINK I HAVE BEEN THE COUNCIL PERSON THAT'S BEEN TO CRBs
05:10:28 THE MOST.
05:10:30 WITH THE REORGANIZATION OF THE CRB, BY US AND BY THE MAYOR,
05:10:36 WE TRIED TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE ON THAT CRB FROM CITY COUNCIL
05:10:39 AS POSSIBLE.
05:10:42 WE COULD NOT DO THAT.
05:10:44 IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
05:10:45 SO WHAT I HAD SUGGESTED --
05:10:55 [NO ENCODER]
05:11:12 [NO ENCODER]
05:11:13 -- CRB WAS NOT A DECISION MADE BY THE CRB.
05:11:18 I APOLOGIZE.
05:11:19 IT'S NOT.
05:11:19 THEY LEFT THE DECISION UP TO US.
05:11:22 WHEN WE HAVE OTHER BOARDS THEN IT'S REVIEWED, HISTORICALLY.
05:11:31 OTHER BOARDS THAT THE PETITIONER DID NOT LIKE WHAT THAT
05:11:36 BOARD HAD TO SAY, THEY COME TO US.
05:11:39 WE HAVE THREE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, APPROVE, OVERTURN OR
05:11:48 SEND IT BARK TO THAT BOARD FOR THEM TO MAKE A DECISION.
05:11:53 I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.
05:11:54 I WOULD PREFER THE CRB MAKING THEIR OWN DECISION ON THIS.
05:12:01 LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
05:12:03 >> I'M NOT?
05:12:12 >>BILL CARLSON: TWO QUICK THINGS.
05:12:14 BUT THE CRB VOTED THE OTHER NIGHT I THINK OF TO 3 OR
05:12:17 SOMETHING LIKE THAT --
05:12:18 >> TO SEND IT BACK TO US.
05:12:20 >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO
05:12:22 EVERYONE ON ALL SIDES OF THIS ISSUE IS THAT -- AND I AM NOT
05:12:25 A LAWYER, BUT STATE LAW PROHIBITS US, AND WOULD PROHIBIT
05:12:29 THEM, FROM SUBPOENAs TO POLICE OFFICERS.
05:12:32 AND SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUNISHING POLICE OFFICERS OR
05:12:37 TRYING TO SUBPOENA POLICE OFFICERS.
05:12:39 IT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE ASKING FOR CAMERAS ON A STORY THAT
05:12:45 ARE AVAILABLE.
05:12:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I
05:12:48 GET BACK TO MY POINT THAT I MADE HERE.
05:12:51 I ASKED THE BOARD TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN TELL
05:12:54 US WHAT THEY WANT.
05:13:00 THE DECISION THEY MADE THE OTHER NIGHT WASN'T THEM TELLING
05:13:02 US WHAT THEY WANT.
05:13:03 THE DECISION THEY MADE WAS, WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE
05:13:06 COUNCIL.
05:13:08 SO I'M JUST ONE VOTE.
05:13:10 I'M JUST ONE VOTE.
05:13:11 I'M JUST EXPLAINING MY VOTE.
05:13:13 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:13:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE WANT THE SAME
05:13:20 THING AS COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
05:13:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
05:13:25 GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
05:13:26 WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
05:13:30 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:13:31 ROLL CALL VOTE.
05:13:31 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
05:13:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
05:13:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
05:13:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
05:13:40 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
05:13:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
05:13:43 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
05:13:45 VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE AND COUNCIL CITRO VOTING NO.
05:13:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT CLEAR TO YOU ALL?
05:13:59 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:14:00 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:14:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A
05:14:04 SPECIAL CALLED 2023 BUDGET WORKSHOP FOR TUESDAY, AUGUST
05:14:08 16th, 2022 AT 9 A.M.
05:14:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
05:14:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:14:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:14:17 IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
05:14:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE SECOND ONE.
05:14:21 I HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT THE NATIONAL TRADESMAN DAY IS
05:14:24 OCTOBER 17, 2022.
05:14:26 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO
05:14:29 LOGISTICS AND ASSESSMENT MANAGEMENT, ALSO KNOWN AS LAM,
05:14:34 DEPARTMENT FACILITIES MANAGEMENT TRADESMEN TEAM OF OUR OWN
05:14:37 CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15.
05:14:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:14:44 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:14:46 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:14:47 ANY OPPOSED?
05:14:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE MORE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
05:14:51 FOR COMMENDATION TO LAURA AND STEVEN CRISER ON THE
05:14:56 ESTABLISHMENT OF THE WARREN C. CRISER COMMUNITY FUND, AN
05:14:59 ENDOWMENT CREATED FOR THE JEWISH FOUNDATION IN HONOR OF THE
05:15:02 COUPLES' DECADES OF TIRELESS SERVICE TO MANKIND -- TO
05:15:09 HUMANKIND, EXCUSE ME.
05:15:10 THIS COMMENDATION WILL BE PRESENTED ALONG WITH RECOGNITION
05:15:13 FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON JULY 31st,
05:15:19 2022.
05:15:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:15:21 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:15:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DO HAVE A BUDGET
05:15:26 MEETING OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ON AUGUST 4th AT 9 A.M.
05:15:31 WE HAVE TWO SPECIAL CALLED, ONE ON SEPTEMBER 6th AND ONE
05:15:38 ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.
05:15:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE I GO TO YOU, SIR, I FORGOT TO
05:15:42 WISH MY MOTHER A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY. IT'S NOT TODAY. IT'S
05:15:43 SATURDAY.
05:15:46 SHE'S TURNING 64 AND I TOLD HER YOU CAN PLAY THAT BEATLES
05:15:52 SONG.
05:15:54 64.
05:15:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SHE'S NOT 64.
05:15:57 A VERY YOUTHFUL 64.
05:15:59 [ LAUGHTER ]
05:16:02 >>LYNN HURTAK: MY MOM TURNED A CERTAIN AGE AND HER BROTHER
05:16:07 PUT IT ON FACEBOOK AND SHE'S STILL MAD ABOUT IT.
05:16:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:16:10 CITY OF TAMPA HAS A BUILDING INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT WAS
05:16:14 VOTED IN ON 2008 THAT WILL PROVIDE INITIATIVES TO ENCOURAGE
05:16:17 SUSTAINABILITY IN CONSTRUCTION -- SUSTAINABLE CONSTRUCTION
05:16:21 AND REDEVELOPMENT.
05:16:22 I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM AND
05:16:26 SEE OVER 14 YEARS HOW THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST
05:16:31 AND HOW THIS PROGRAM CAN UTILIZE TO MEET THE ADMINISTRATION
05:16:36 THE CITY OF TAMPA GOALS AND OUR RESILIENCE TAMPA ROAD MAP.
05:16:44 SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS GREEN BUILDING INITIATIVES
05:16:46 ORDINANCES THAT OFFER AND INCENTIVES OF PERMIT FEE
05:16:51 REIMBURSEMENTS AND FAST TRACK PERMITTING, INCLUDING A STAFF
05:16:57 REPORT ON HOW GREEN BUILDING INITIATIVE PROGRAMS ORDINANCE
05:17:02 NUMBER 2008-112 IS BEING IMPLEMENTED AND HOW MANY DEVELOPERS
05:17:10 ARE USING IT, AND FIND WAYS TO INCREASE THE USE OF THIS
05:17:15 PROGRAM AND HOW TO UTILIZE RESILIENT TAMPA ROAD MAP ON
05:17:21 OCTOBER 27th.
05:17:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE CHAIRMAN.
05:17:25 A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON.
05:17:29 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:17:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY MIRANDA,
05:17:35 SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
05:17:37 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
05:17:37 [ MEETING ADJOURNED ]
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