CITY OF TAMPA
THURSDAY, AUGUST 18, 2022
5:00 P.M.
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05:02:12PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
05:02:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
05:02:16PM AND WELCOME TO THE EVENING SESSION OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
05:02:20PM HELD ON THIS DATE OF AUGUST 18, 2022.
05:02:30PM MR. MASSEY.
05:02:34PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR.
05:02:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL.
05:02:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:02:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
05:02:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
05:02:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
05:02:44PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
05:02:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:02:47PM I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES WILL BE ARRIVING
05:02:51PM LATE TO THIS EVENING'S COUNCIL DUE TO A SCHEDULING CONFLICT.
05:02:55PM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WAS DOWN IN FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES
05:03:00PM THIS -- I'M SORRY, MR. MASSEY, NOW WE CAN PROCEED WITH YOU.
05:03:03PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: OKAY.
05:03:04PM GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR.
05:03:05PM THIS IS THE EVENING MEETING OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HELD THIS
05:03:10PM EVENING AUGUST 18, 2022 AT 5:00 P.M. IN CITY COUNCIL
05:03:16PM CHAMBERS 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, OLD CITY
05:03:21PM HALL, CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA.
05:03:22PM THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL BE ABLE TO
05:03:27PM WATCH, LISTEN OR VIEW THIS MEETING ON CABLE TV SPECTRUM
05:03:30PM CHANNEL 640 OR FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 AND ALSO THROUGH THE
05:03:34PM INTERNET BY WAY OF WWW.TAMPA.GOV/LEAVESTREAM.
05:03:41PM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
05:03:44PM MEETINGS BY ATTENDING IN PERSON, IN THE CHAMBERS HERE
05:03:48PM TONIGHT OR VIRTUALLY THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERRED
05:03:53PM TO AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
05:03:57PM HOWEVER TO PARTICIPATE USING CMT, PREREGISTRATION IS
05:04:02PM NECESSARY WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
05:04:03PM INSTRUCTIONS HOW THIS PARTICIPATE VIA CMT IS INCLUDED IN THE
05:04:08PM NOTICE OF THE MEETING AND ON THIS AGENDA.
05:04:10PM IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING BY CMT,
05:04:15PM YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS TO COMMUNICATION MEDIA DEVICE SUCH AS A
05:04:21PM TABLET, COMPUTER EQUIPPED WITH A CAMERA AND MICROPHONE THAT
05:04:24PM WILL ENABLE YOU TO BE BOTH SEEN AND HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL
05:04:28PM AND ALL OTHER PARTICIPANTS.
05:04:29PM FOR THESE TWO SPECIFIC TWO-WAY VIDEOS VIRTUAL FORMATS, CELL
05:04:35PM PHONES, SMARTPHONES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE AND WILL NOT ALLOW
05:04:39PM YOU TO SHARE YOUR CAMERA WHEN CONNECTED.
05:04:40PM THOSE ARE THE DIRECTIONS.
05:04:44PM GENERALLY COMMENTS ARE DIRECTED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
05:04:49PM SINCE WE HAVE A LARGE CROWD, KEEP TALK DOWN AND CELL PHONES
05:04:54PM OFF, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU.
05:04:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MASSEY.
05:04:59PM DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT --
05:05:02PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: FOR PARTICIPATION.
05:05:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:05:07PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:05:09PM ALL IN FAVOR.
05:05:11PM OPPOSED.
05:05:12PM BEFORE WE GO INTO THE REVIEWING OF THE AGENDA, I WAS DOWN IN
05:05:15PM THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES THIS WEEK WHERE I WAS WITNESSED
05:05:18PM TO SOME OF THE GREAT WORKS THAT THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP WAS
05:05:23PM DOING AND HOW THEY REPRESENTED THE CITY OF TAMPA.
05:05:26PM AND I WAS SO PROUD OF THEIR ACTIONS THAT I AM GOING TO ASK
05:05:30PM THEM TO PLEASE COME FORWARD, INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
05:05:35PM TELL US WHAT SCHOOL YOU GO TO AND WHAT GRADE, BUT FIRST,
05:05:40PM MISS MOLLY, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US YOUR ROLE
05:05:44PM IN THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP.
05:05:46PM >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN CITRO.
05:05:48PM THANK YOU, COUNCILMEN, COUNCILWOMAN.
05:05:51PM NICE TO BE BACK.
05:05:52PM I AM THE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA
05:05:55PM AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF ALSO -- BEING INCLUDED IN THAT
05:05:59PM BEING COORDINATOR OF THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP AND YOUTH
05:06:05PM LEADERSHIP COUNCIL.
05:06:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TELL US BRIEFLY ABOUT THESE YOUNG STUDENTS.
05:06:10PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
05:06:10PM THESE ARE YOUNG STUDENTS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA SCHOOLS.
05:06:13PM THEY ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL.
05:06:14PM THEY ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY SERVICE.
05:06:16PM GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
05:06:17PM THEY ARE INVOLVED IN CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, MEETING WITH YOU.
05:06:20PM MEET WITH THE MAYOR.
05:06:21PM MEET WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THEY ALSO ATTEND MONTHLY
05:06:25PM LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS.
05:06:26PM A GREAT PROGRAM AND WE ARE RECRUITING ACTUALLY.
05:06:29PM ACTIONS GO LIVE AFTER LABOR DAY ON THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP
05:06:35PM WEB SITE.
05:06:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCELLENT.
05:06:38PM >> THANK YOU.
05:06:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: APPROACH THE PODIUM.
05:06:41PM >> SOPHIA PALMA AND A 12th GRADER AT TAMPA PREP.
05:06:45PM >> HELLO, ADAM CASTE AND A SENIOR AT BERKELEY PREP.
05:06:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: STAY RIGHT THERE FOR ONE SECOND.
05:06:56PM ADAM SHADOWED ME WHEN I WAS DOING WORK.
05:06:59PM I WENT TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND HE ACCOMPANIED ME
05:07:03PM AND HE ASKED SOME REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION AND I
05:07:05PM THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH ME.
05:07:06PM THANK YOU FOR SHADOWING ME.
05:07:08PM >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY, SIR.
05:07:12PM >> EMILY LARTS AND 12th GRADER AT TAMPA PREP.
05:07:17PM >> MY NAME IS ALYSSA WILLIAMS AND A SENIOR AT TAMPA PREP.
05:07:22PM >> GOOD EVENING, TABANCHE AND 10th GRADER AT STRAWBERRY
05:07:29PM CREST HIGH SCHOOL.
05:07:30PM >> MY NAME ISALIANA SHAMAN AND A 11th GRADER AT HILLSBOROUGH
05:07:38PM HIGH SCHOOL.
05:07:38PM >> I AM ANIYA AND A 10th GRADER AT TAMPA PREP.
05:07:43PM >> SOPHIA AND JUNIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
05:07:47PM >> HELLO, ADDISON INSHEA AND JUNIOR AT COLLEGIATE HIGH
05:07:53PM SCHOOL.
05:07:53PM >> HELLO, I AM COSETTE.
05:07:58PM AND ALSO A JUNIOR AT BROOKS-DEBARTOLO COLLEGIATE HIGH
05:08:03PM SCHOOL.
05:08:03PM >> HI, SOPHIA VARVALLO, A JUNIOR AT PLANT.
05:08:11PM >> I AM OLIVIA AND JUNIOR AT ACADEMY OF THE HOLY NAMES.
05:08:15PM >> HI, SHARIF AND A JUNIOR AT BROOKS-DEBARTOLO.
05:08:19PM >> HI, DANNY SLEDGE AND A JUNIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
05:08:25PM >> HI, I AM BRIAN O'LEARY AND SENIOR AT JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL.
05:08:32PM >> HI, I AM NOBE SINGH AND A JUNIOR AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH
05:08:40PM SCHOOL.
05:08:40PM >> FRANK KENNY.
05:08:41PM AND I AM A SOPHOMORE AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
05:08:44PM >> HELLO, ETHAN SEVIDA AND JUNIOR AT FLORIDA VIRTUAL AND
05:08:50PM PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
05:08:51PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
05:08:51PM HART MacKINNON, A SENIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
05:08:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN I WAS DOWN AT THE
05:08:59PM FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, I GAVE YOU A HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT.
05:09:02PM >> YES, SIR.
05:09:04PM >> THAT ASSIGNMENT WAS FOR YOUR GROUP TO GIVE ME YOUR TOP
05:09:07PM THREE REQUESTS FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
05:09:10PM >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:09:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET ME HEAR THEM.
05:09:13PM >> THE BIGGEST THING FOR US AND SOMETHING YOU ALREADY WENT
05:09:17PM TO.
05:09:17PM MORE BUDGET-TO-GO CONFERENCES.
05:09:20PM I PERSONAL PERSONALLY ATTENDED AND HAD A GREAT TIME AND TO
05:09:24PM TALK WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE STATE.
05:09:26PM THE ABILITY TO BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THAT IS A TREMENDOUS
05:09:28PM VALUE TO THE NEXT GENERATION AND THE YOUTH CORP AS WELL.
05:09:32PM ANOTHER THING THAT THE YOUTH CORP LEARNED A LOT ABOUT IS THE
05:09:38PM VISION ZERO PROGRAM FOR THE CITY.
05:09:39PM SOMETHING WE FOLLOWED SINCE IT STARTED AND HAD PRESENTATIONS
05:09:42PM ABOUT IT.
05:09:42PM WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF IT AND WANT TO SEE MORE FUNDING GO TO
05:09:46PM IT.
05:09:46PM AND LAST THING, MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FOCUSED INITIATIVES,
05:09:50PM RECENTLY WITH THE LAUNCH OF THE TRASH PICKER UPPER IN THE
05:09:53PM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
05:09:54PM A BIG STEP.
05:09:55PM THOSE ARE THE THREE SOLID THINGS.
05:09:57PM I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO
05:09:59PM PRESENT OUR IDEAS.
05:10:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.
05:10:03PM ONE MORE OF THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
05:10:08PM PERSONALLY THANK.
05:10:09PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL CHAIR CITRO.
05:10:11PM I'M MARIE KERSCO, AND I AM A JUNIOR.
05:10:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MARIA HAS BEEN AN INTERN WITH OUR OFFICE AND
05:10:21PM NOT ONLY HELPED ME BUT MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE, TIM, IMMENSELY.
05:10:27PM AND I THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT WORK YOU HAVE DONE FOR MY
05:10:30PM OFFICE AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU.
05:10:32PM SHE IS LEAVING US TO GO OF ALL PLACES, D.C.
05:10:35PM I WOULD PREFER IF YOU STAYED HERE, BUT, AGAIN, GOOD LUCK
05:10:39PM WITH ALL YOUR TRAVELS.
05:10:41PM AND TO THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP, AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR WHAT
05:10:46PM YOU DID AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND I WILL TAKE YOUR
05:10:49PM RECOMMENDATIONS TO MR.. ROGERO AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO SEE
05:10:54PM IF WE CAN GET MORE MONEY IN FOR THAT.
05:10:56PM THANK YOU, AGAIN.
05:10:58PM GIVE THESE STUDENTS A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
05:11:02PM [APPLAUSE]
05:11:06PM THE STATEMENT THAT THE YOUTH ARE OUR FUTURE.
05:11:09PM NO, THE YOUTH ARE OUR NOW.
05:11:11PM AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY THEIR ACTIVITIES, WANTED TO GET
05:11:15PM INVOLVED IN LOCAL POLITICS.
05:11:16PM OUR YOUTH IS NOW.
05:11:17PM SO, YES.
05:11:19PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: MR. CHAIR, I HAVE BEEN ADVISED WE ARE
05:11:22PM HAVING ISSUES WITH THE COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY ASPECT
05:11:26PM OF OUR MEETING.
05:11:27PM AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO ADJOURN BRIEFLY, TRY TO GET THAT
05:11:31PM FIXED.
05:11:31PM BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING
05:11:35PM IN THE VARIOUS HEARINGS TONIGHT VIA THAT VEHICLE.
05:11:37PM WE HAVE SEVERAL REGISTERED.
05:11:39PM IF WE CAN FOR A FEW MINUTES --
05:11:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW MANY TEN MINUTES.
05:11:48PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: SAY TEN MINUTES INITIALLY.
05:11:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR TEN MINUTES.
05:11:54PM [MEETING IN RECESS]
05:12:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, WE ARE BACK IN ORDER.
05:23:17PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
05:23:18PM ALL ARE CALL PLEASE.
05:23:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
05:23:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
05:23:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:23:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
05:23:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
05:23:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M HERE.
05:23:27PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO OVER THE AGENDA
05:23:34PM WITH US OR WHO IS GOING OVER THE AGENDA WITH US.
05:23:36PM MR. HUSSEIN, PLEASE.
05:23:39PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
05:23:47PM ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
05:23:49PM HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS.
05:23:51PM TO TALK ABOUT THE MISNOTICES TO CLEAR THE RECORD.
05:23:54PM STARTING OFF WITH NUMBER 7 ON THE AGENDA, FILE
05:24:00PM NUMBER AB-22-09 CANNOT BE HEARD DUE TO MISNOTICE.
05:24:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER 7.
05:24:07PM >> SECOND.
05:24:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN.
05:24:12PM SECONDED BY OF MANISCALCO.
05:24:17PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: AGENDA NUMBER 9, 22-29.
05:24:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEM NUMBER 9.
05:24:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE I GO INTO THE MOTION.
05:24:28PM ARE THESE ALL FIRST-TIME MISNOTICES.
05:24:31PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: CORRECT.
05:24:32PM FIRST-TIME MISNOTICES.
05:24:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF THERE ARE TWO MISNOTICES IT ENDS IT AND
05:24:39PM THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY.
05:24:40PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:24:42PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:24:44PM ALL IN FAVOR.
05:24:45PM OPPOSED.
05:24:46PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: CASE 22-31 CANNOT BE HEARD DUE TO A
05:24:51PM MISNOTICE.
05:24:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO REMOVE ITEM 10.
05:24:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
05:24:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
05:24:58PM ANY OPPOSED.
05:24:59PM THANK YOU.
05:25:00PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, REZ 22-65 CANNOT BE
05:25:06PM HEARD DUE TO MISNOTICE.
05:25:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REMOVE ITEM NUMBER --
05:25:12PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: I WILL COME BACK TO 12.
05:25:14PM 14.
05:25:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REMOVE ITEM 14.
05:25:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
05:25:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:25:24PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:25:26PM NOW BACK TO 12.
05:25:28PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: LAST MISNOTICE CASE NUMBER 12, CASE
05:25:35PM REZ-22-51 CANNOT BE HEARD DUE TO MISNOTICE.
05:25:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
05:25:41PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:25:42PM ALL IN FAVOR.
05:25:44PM ANY OPPOSED?
05:25:46PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: WE HAVE ONE CONTINUANCE REQUEST.
05:25:48PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, CASE REZ 22-33.
05:25:52PM THIS FOR THE LOCATION AT 3812 PINEWOOD STREET.
05:25:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION.
05:26:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
05:26:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:26:04PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:26:06PM ALL IN FAVOR.
05:26:07PM ANY OPPOSED.
05:26:08PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: I BELIEVE WE ADDED -- OCTOBER 6 SHOULD BE ON
05:26:18PM THE AGENDA.
05:26:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO CLEAR OFF OF THE
05:26:27PM AGENDA?
05:26:29PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: NO, SIR.
05:26:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE
05:26:33PM ITEM 1 TO THE FIRST AVAILABLE WORKSHOP.
05:26:36PM I DIDN'T REALIZE WHEN I VOTED ON THIS IT WAS A RESOLUTION,
05:26:39PM NOT AN ORDINANCE.
05:26:41PM AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THE PUBLIC.
05:26:44PM I HAVE GOTTEN E-MAILS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT RESOLUTION WOULD
05:26:50PM CHANGE CITY HALL AND PROTECT THEM IN ANY WAY.
05:26:53PM AND NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS
05:26:56PM IS.
05:26:56PM A LOT OF MISINFORMATION BEING CIRCULATED.
05:27:00PM I SUGGEST THAT WE CONTINUE IT TO A WORKSHOP TO HAVE A ROBUST
05:27:05PM CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AND NOT ONLY HEAR ABOUT ORDINANCES BUT
05:27:08PM ALSO -- NOT ONLY RESOLUTIONS BUT ORDINANCES.
05:27:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE NO PROBLEM HAVING A WORKSHOP ABOUT
05:27:17PM THIS AT ANOTHER TIME.
05:27:17PM I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST A RESOLUTION.
05:27:26PM JUST TO KIND OF GET -- TO ALLOW CITIZENS TO FEEL HEARD,
05:27:34PM AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE AN ISSUE IN THE CITY.
05:27:38PM I UNDERSTAND AND I ALSO GOT E-MAILS THAT BELIEVES THIS
05:27:41PM CHANGES LAWS SOMEHOW, BUT IT DOESN'T.
05:27:46PM WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY LAWS TONIGHT.
05:27:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT, I HAVE RESOLUTION
05:27:53PM A FEW YEARS AGO THAT YOU ALL VOTED ON TO SUPPORT THE ERA
05:27:58PM AMENDMENT.
05:27:58PM AND IT HAD NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER.
05:28:01PM THESE RESOLUTIONS IF WE DON'T HANDLE THEM CORRECTLY, THEY
05:28:05PM RAISE EXPECTATION WITH THE PUBLIC.
05:28:07PM I HAVE PEOPLE E-MAILING ME SAYING IF I END UP WITH A PREGNANCY
05:28:10PM THAT MY LIFE WILL BE IN DANGER AND THIS WILL HELP ME.
05:28:13PM I FEEL AN OBLIGATION TO THE PUBLIC TO NOT APPROVE ANYTHING
05:28:16PM THAT WILL MISLEAD THE PUBLIC, AND I THINK A WORKSHOP AND MORE
05:28:20PM TIME ON THIS WILL BE BETTER.
05:28:21PM ALSO SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE PUSHING VERY HARD
05:28:24PM FOR A PARTICULAR RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED IN AUSTIN.
05:28:27PM AND THAT RESOLUTION AND WORRY ME THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS
05:28:33PM DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WANTS US TO APPROVE
05:28:36PM AND SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE PUSHING SO HARD FOR THE
05:28:39PM AUSTIN VERSION, IT MAKES ME THINK THERE MUST BE SOME
05:28:41PM NATIONAL CAMPAIGN SOMEBODY IS CHECKING THE BOX, AND WE WILL
05:28:44PM BE PART OF CHECKING THE BOX AND HURT THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA WHO
05:28:48PM NEED PROTECTION.
05:28:49PM I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE NEED SOME TYPE OF PROTECTION AND AN
05:28:54PM ORDINANCE AND NOT A RESOLUTION.
05:28:55PM ON AN IMPORTANT ISSUE LIKE THIS, WE SHOULD NOT LET PEOPLE
05:28:58PM THINK THAT WE ARE PROTECTING THEM WHEN WE CAN NOT IN A
05:29:01PM RESOLUTION.
05:29:01PM WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO EVEN LOOK AT ORDINANCES.
05:29:09PM THE HARD WORK IS TO CREATE THE ORDINANCE.
05:29:11PM WHEN I PREPARED A RESOLUTION IN FAVOR OF THE ERA.
05:29:15PM I WANTED TO RALLY PEOPLE TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE TO LOBBY THE
05:29:19PM LEGISLATURE.
05:29:19PM IT WAS SYMBOLIC AND MADE US ALL FEEL GOOD AND SUPPORT THE
05:29:24PM WOMEN IN THE COMMUNITY BUT IN THE END, IT DID NOTHING.
05:29:26PM I DON'T WANT TO PASS SOMETHING AGAIN THAT WILL NOT
05:29:29PM ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE ALL WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
05:29:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:29:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
05:29:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN WE HAVE LEGAL COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
05:29:39PM >> GOOD EVENING, MEGAN NEWCOMB, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
05:29:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXPLAIN THE RESOLUTION YOU HAVE WRITTEN TO
05:29:51PM THE COUNCIL OF THE AUSTIN RESOLUTION.
05:29:56PM SO THE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC CAN HAVE MORE CLARITY AND CAN THIS
05:30:00PM COUNCIL ENACT ANY KIND OF ORDINANCE WITH COUNCILWOMAN
05:30:03PM HURTAK'S RESOLUTION?
05:30:06PM >> THE GRACE ACT IN AUSTIN THAT WAS PASSED WAS A RESOLUTION.
05:30:10PM IT WAS EXPLICITLY STATED THAT IT WAS A POLICY STATEMENT.
05:30:16PM THE AUSTIN CITY IS SET UP A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY FROM THE
05:30:21PM CITY OF TAMPA, BUT IT WAS CLEARLY A RESOLUTION.
05:30:23PM IT IS NOT AN ORDINANCE.
05:30:24PM WHAT THE REQUEST WAS FROM COUNCIL WAS FOR LEGAL TO EVALUATE
05:30:29PM THE GRACE ACT AND PROPOSE A RESOLUTION THAT WAS SIMILAR IN
05:30:37PM SCOPE AND PRINCIPLE, BUT ALSO COMPLIED WITH THE CITY OF
05:30:41PM TAMPA CHARTER AS WELL AS STATE AND FEDERAL LAW.
05:30:44PM SO WHAT I DID WAS LOOK AT THE GRACE ACT AND ESSENTIALLY GO
05:30:49PM THROUGH EACH SECTION OF IT AND EVALUATE WHETHER THAT WAS
05:30:54PM SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AS A RESOLUTION TO
05:30:57PM PRESENT BEFORE COUNCIL.
05:30:58PM I MET WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BACK AND FORTH, AND WE WENT
05:31:04PM BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSING THE PARTICULAR LANGUAGE.
05:31:06PM SO WHAT I PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON AUGUST 4, AND IT WAS -- I
05:31:09PM FILED A MEMO ON AUGUST 1 WITH A PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
05:31:12PM I THEN BROUGHT AN UPDATED PROPOSED RESOLUTION TO COUNCIL ON
05:31:16PM AUGUST 4 THAT ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE AS REQUESTED BY
05:31:21PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
05:31:26PM THE RESOLUTION -- I HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING.
05:31:28PM RESOLUTION THAT LEGAL FEELS IS APPROPRIATE UNDER STATE AND
05:31:32PM LOCAL LAW FOR THIS COUNCIL TO EVALUATE AND DETERMINE IF YOU
05:31:36PM WOULD LIKE TO PASS IT.
05:31:37PM I HAVE NOT PROPOSED AN ORDINANCE.
05:31:40PM I FRANKLY HAVEN'T RESEARCHED WHETHER AN ORDINANCE WILL
05:31:46PM ALLOWING ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT.
05:31:48PM SO WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS A PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
05:31:52PM THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSED RESOLUTION THAT I HAVE
05:31:58PM PRESENTED THE SAME ONE ON AUGUST 4 TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR
05:32:01PM REVIEW ON THAT ONE.
05:32:02PM AND TAKES FROM THE GRACE ACT WHAT IN MY LEGAL OPINION IS
05:32:06PM RELEVANT AND APPROPRIATE FOR FLORIDA AND THE CITY OF TAMPA
05:32:10PM AND ALSO ADDS A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT I THINK ARE
05:32:14PM ALSO OKAY AT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S REQUEST.
05:32:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:32:21PM WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
05:32:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT CLARITY, THE RESOLUTION --
05:32:27PM [INAUDIBLE]
05:32:28PM -- THE APPROVED FORM WITH YOUR NAME ON IT IS THE ONE THAT
05:32:32PM THE CITY DID, I ASSUME.
05:32:34PM >> YES, SIR.
05:32:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO --
05:32:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
05:32:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT I WAS PLANNING ON DOING AND THE
05:32:43PM HIGHLIGHTED DIFFERENT VERSIONS IN FRONT OF YOU.
05:32:45PM I WAS GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE ELMO AND EXPLAIN TO YOU THE
05:32:48PM DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE RESOLUTION THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
05:32:51PM OFFICE PROPOSED AND THEN THE RESOLUTION THAT I WOULD PREFER
05:32:55PM TO HAVE.
05:32:56PM IF EVERYONE WANTS TO HEAR THAT TONIGHT OR I SUPPOSE IT IS
05:33:03PM THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
05:33:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION.
05:33:07PM IS THERE A SECOND.
05:33:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
05:33:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY -- MAY I, SIR.
05:33:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURELY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:33:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU KNOW I WOULD -- A LOT OF CONFLICTING
05:33:21PM ISSUES HERE.
05:33:22PM FIRST AS A FOUNDATIONAL ISSUE AND I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS TO
05:33:25PM PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME ON THIS.
05:33:27PM I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN PASS A RESOLUTION HERE THAT UPHOLDS
05:33:31PM THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY AND IDEALS THAT I THINK ALL
05:33:37PM COUNCILMEMBERS BELIEVE IN WITH THE CONSENT OF OUR LEGAL
05:33:40PM DEPARTMENT THAT WE PAY FOR THESE ISSUES.
05:33:42PM I HAVE DONE A RESOLUTION.
05:33:43PM YOU CAN CALL ME THE KING OF RESOLUTIONS.
05:33:46PM I SAY THAT JOKINGLY.
05:33:47PM I HAVE DONE RESOLUTIONS AND I GET DIRECTION FROM LEGAL
05:33:50PM DEPARTMENT ON RESOLUTIONS AND I ALWAYS ASCEND TO IT, SO LONG
05:33:55PM AS IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE MAJOR SUBSTANCE THAT IS THERE
05:33:59PM ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS AN ISSUE.
05:34:00PM ON THE ISSUE BY OPERATION OF FLORIDA LAW, IT IS KIND OF AN
05:34:03PM ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF SOMETHING BY FLORIDA LAW.
05:34:06PM LIKE ACKNOWLEDGING GRAVITY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR EXAMPLE.
05:34:11PM THIS MOTION -- I WOULD LIKE -- I WANT TO RESPECT
05:34:15PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND WHERE SHE WANTS TO GO, BUT I DO HOPE
05:34:19PM THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET A 7-0 VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WE
05:34:23PM ALL BELIEVE IN, THAT LEGAL WITH APPROVE, ETC.
05:34:27PM THAT -- I THINK THAT IS THE PATH TO GO RESPECTFULLY.
05:34:30PM THANK YOU.
05:34:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
05:34:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO ME, THE RESOLUTION IS JUST BEGINNING.
05:34:35PM I WOULD LOVE TO DO AN ORDINANCE AS WELL, BUT THIS WAS JUST
05:34:40PM THE FIRST STAGE AND JUST LIKE COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, A
05:34:45PM RESOLUTION.
05:34:46PM I DID NOT EXPECT TO GET AS MUCH PUSH BACK ON THIS.
05:34:49PM BUT TO ME AN ORDINANCE IS THE NEXT STEP.
05:34:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:34:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
05:35:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: I FORGOT TO SAY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR ALL
05:35:04PM YOUR WORK.
05:35:04PM WE ARE NOT ABLE TO TALK TO YOU OUTSIDE THIS MEETING AND IF
05:35:11PM YOU FEEL BLINDSIDED, I APOLOGIZE, BUT THE -- THE -- AND WHO
05:35:15PM KNOWS HOW THIS VOTE WILL GO.
05:35:17PM BUT THE -- THE ISSUE IS, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION
05:35:22PM TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
05:35:23PM WHEN I AM GETTING -- I GOT E-MAILS TODAY FROM GYNECOLOGISTS
05:35:28PM AND, YOU KNOW, NOT ACTIVISTS, BUT PEOPLE WHO ALSO --
05:35:32PM GYNECOLOGISTS OR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY
05:35:35PM AND THEY REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO PROTECT THEM.
05:35:38PM THEY THINK IF WE PASS THIS, IT WILL PROTECT THEM AND AN
05:35:43PM OBLIGATION TO COMMUNICATE THIS BETTER.
05:35:45PM IF WE PASS THIS, EITHER VERSION, RELY ON THE COMMUNICATION
05:35:49PM DEPARTMENT TO GO OUT AND EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE AND SET
05:35:52PM EXPECTATIONS THAT IT WILL NOT PROTECT THEM AND THINGS THAT
05:35:56PM BE PASS SOMETIMES ARE NOT WELL COMMUNICATED AND SENDING
05:35:59PM MIXED FEELINGS TO THE PUBLIC.
05:36:01PM WHY NOT -- OBVIOUSLY MEDIA COVERAGE OF THIS TODAY, BUT WHY
05:36:04PM NOT -- OF COURSE, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL, BUT
05:36:07PM WHY NOT HAVE A DISCUSSION -- A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION AT A
05:36:12PM WORKSHOP AND TALK ABOUT ORDINANCES THAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP
05:36:14PM PROTECT PEOPLE AND CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIVES.
05:36:16PM I WOULD MUCH RATHER DO THAT.
05:36:18PM IN TERMS OF A RESOLUTION, I AM SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES IN
05:36:21PM SIMPLICITY.
05:36:22PM INSTEAD OF COPYING AUSTIN, LET'S HAVE A SIMPLE RESOLUTION
05:36:26PM THAT SAYS, WE ARE AGAINST LAWS THAT -- THAT MAY HARM
05:36:32PM PEOPLE'S LIVES OR TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO PRIVACY.
05:36:36PM SOMETHING SIMPLE THAT DOESN'T -- THAT HELPS US ACCOMPLISH
05:36:40PM WHAT WE WANT IN TAMPA INSTEAD OF COPYING SOMEBODY ELSE'S
05:36:43PM AGENDA IN AUSTIN.
05:36:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
05:36:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE COULD DO A
05:36:53PM RESOLUTION LIKE THAT.
05:36:54PM ALL I AM SAYING -- THE CONVERSATIONS I AM HAVING AND HEARING
05:37:00PM FROM PROVIDERS OF WOMEN'S HEALTH IS THAT THIS IS ALREADY
05:37:07PM HAPPENING.
05:37:09PM THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO HELP A WOMAN WHOSE WATER HAS BROKEN
05:37:14PM AFTER 15 WEEKS.
05:37:16PM THEY HAVE -- THEY BASICALLY JUST SEND HER HOME AND HOPE SHE
05:37:20PM DOESN'T GET SEPSIS.
05:37:21PM THIS IS ALREADY AN ISSUE HERE.
05:37:22PM I HAVE HEARD THE STORIES.
05:37:24PM I DON'T -- I DON'T EVEN LIKE REMEMBERING THAT I HEARD THE
05:37:28PM STORIES BECAUSE THEY UPSET ME.
05:37:29PM BUT I -- I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO DO SOMETHING
05:37:35PM ABOUT THIS.
05:37:36PM AND UNFORTUNATELY, A WORKSHOP WOULD BE MONTHS AWAY.
05:37:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR MADE BY
05:37:48PM COUNCILMAN -- PARDON ME?
05:37:56PM AGAIN, A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND THAT MOTION NEEDS TO BE
05:37:58PM VOTED ON.
05:38:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY WOULD NEAT A DATE.
05:38:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OCTOBER 27.
05:38:05PM IS THAT IN YOUR MOTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:38:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING.
05:38:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:38:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, I AGREE WE
05:38:17PM HAVE TO PROTECT PEOPLE.
05:38:17PM I HAD GYNECOLOGISTS E-MAILING ME TODAY SAYING THIS WILL
05:38:22PM PROTECT THEM.
05:38:23PM THAT GYNECOLOGIST THINKING THAT WE PROTECT THEM AND BREAKS
05:38:26PM THE LAW AND THINKING WE PROTECT THEM, THEY MIGHT GO TO JAIL
05:38:30PM BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE.
05:38:31PM I DON'T WANT TO CREATE THAT SITUATION FOR SOMEONE.
05:38:34PM I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT WORSE.
05:38:36PM I WANTS TO PASS SOMETHING THAT WILL ACTUALLY PROTECT PEOPLE.
05:38:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
05:38:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER A LONG TIME.
05:38:50PM I HAVE SEEN ALL KIND OF SITUATIONS, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:38:53PM IT IS A VERY, VERY TOUCHY SITUATION.
05:38:56PM DEALING WITH A LIFE.
05:39:03PM I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE OF RESOLUTIONS.
05:39:11PM WE MAKE PLENTY OF RESOLUTIONS AND WE MAY NEED TO COME TO A
05:39:15PM WORKSHOP LATER ON AND ADD A WORKSHOP AND LOOK AT AN
05:39:20PM ORDINANCE.
05:39:21PM LOOKING AT WHAT THE STATE LAWS ARE, WHAT WE MAY BE AND WHAT
05:39:25PM WE CAN AND CANNOT DO.
05:39:26PM DON'T TELL US WHAT WE CAN'T DO, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO.
05:39:31PM CAN WE DO SOMETHING?
05:39:34PM THE DECISION ON EACH COUNCILMAN'S CONSCIOUS.
05:39:40PM IT IS A RESOLUTION.
05:39:42PM IT IS TELLING PEOPLE HOW THIS COUNCIL FEELS.
05:39:45PM I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO SAY HOW WE OPERATE AS
05:39:52PM A CITY.
05:39:53PM SO, AGAIN, I WILL SUPPORT YOU.
05:39:55PM [APPLAUSE]
05:39:57PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
05:39:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL SUPPORT YOU TONIGHT.
05:40:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:40:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I SAY THIS IF WE CAN'T COME TO AN
05:40:07PM AGREEMENT ON A 7-0 RESOLUTION THEN MAYBE THIS MOTION CAN
05:40:11PM COME AT THE END AS A COMPROMISE IF THAT FAILS.
05:40:14PM JUST MY THINKING BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY'S HEART IS ON THE
05:40:21PM SAME ISSUE ON COUNCIL.
05:40:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALL I CAN TELL YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND I
05:40:27PM DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHERS, BOTH OF MY RESOLUTIONS HAVE
05:40:30PM NUMBERS AND STARS, ONE, TWO AND THREE.
05:40:33PM I DIDN'T WRITE THEM.
05:40:34PM MY AIDE WROTE THEM AND HERE IS THE FACT.
05:40:37PM I BELIEVE IN WOMEN'S RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR
05:40:40PM BODY.
05:40:41PM NUMBER ONE.
05:40:41PM NUMBER TWO, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A STATE AND A
05:40:45PM FEDERAL LAW.
05:40:46PM THAT THIS RESOLUTION PASSING 7-0 OR 50-0 IS NOT GOING TO
05:40:52PM CHANGE THE LAW.
05:40:53PM IT IS GOING TO GIVE SOMEBODY AN UPLIFT WHERE THE LAW HAS NOT
05:40:56PM BEEN CHANGED.
05:40:57PM THAT'S WHAT IT DOES.
05:40:59PM THE OTHER RESOLUTION TAKES IT OUT.
05:41:05PM I BELIEVE THE ONE YOU WROTE, MEGAN, IS MAYBE REQUIRED BY
05:41:11PM STATE OR FEDERAL LAW, AM I CORRECT?
05:41:15PM >> YES, COUNCILMAN.
05:41:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE OTHER ONE WHEN I READ IT IS NOT
05:41:19PM THERE.
05:41:19PM SECTION 3, NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.
05:41:22PM I AM JUST LOOKING AT IT.
05:41:24PM AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CROSS REFERENCE.
05:41:27PM BUT TWO DOESN'T EXIST IN YOURS AND EXISTS IN THE OTHER ONE.
05:41:33PM AND THREE IS VERY LITTLE IN YOURS.
05:41:38PM COUPLE OF SENTENCES, I BELIEVE.
05:41:40PM AND ABOUT FOUR SENTENCES IN THE OTHER ONE.
05:41:43PM I REALLY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DIGEST WHAT THE SENTENCES MEAN.
05:41:48PM THAT'S ALL.
05:41:51PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE FIRST QUESTION FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER
05:41:54PM IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO PASS --
05:41:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO BE
05:42:00PM VOTED ON AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
05:42:02PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: AND THEN -- YEAH.
05:42:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:42:07PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:42:08PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION?
05:42:13PM ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
05:42:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WAS THE MOTION ON A WORKSHOP?
05:42:22PM >>CLERK: TO CONTINUE.
05:42:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
05:42:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: AS I UNDERSTAND IT AT THIS TIME.
05:42:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
05:42:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
05:42:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
05:42:36PM IS THERE.
05:42:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
05:42:36PM >> MOTION DID NOT PASS WITH GUDES, VIERA, HURTAK AND CITRO
05:42:42PM VOTING NO.
05:42:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE GOING TO TAKE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.
05:42:52PM WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT AGENDA ITEM ONLY AT
05:42:56PM THIS TIME.
05:42:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:43:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
05:43:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I REMEMBER COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID SHE
05:43:04PM WANTED TO EXPLAIN SOME ISSUES WITHIN THE RESOLUTION, IS THAT
05:43:08PM CORRECT?
05:43:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD PREFER TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT
05:43:12PM FIRST, AND THEN WE WILL GO INTO THE BODY OF IT.
05:43:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S FINE.
05:43:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
05:43:17PM IS EVERYONE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT?
05:43:21PM THANK YOU.
05:43:21PM WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.
05:43:24PM ONLY THAT AGENDA ITEM.
05:43:27PM NOTHING ELSE THAT IS ON OUR AGENDA.
05:43:30PM IF YOU WOULD PLEASE FORM A LINE, MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
05:43:36PM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THREE MINUTES EACH.
05:43:42PM LET'S PLEASE REFRAIN FROM BEING REDUNDANT AND REPEATING THE
05:43:48PM SAME THING THAT THE PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU SAID.
05:43:51PM WHEN YOU GET TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND GIVE
05:43:57PM US YOUR ZIP CODE.
05:43:58PM >> HI, CHRIS CARSON.
05:44:10PM CITY OF TAMPA, 33604.
05:44:13PM I AM A HOSPITAL SOCIAL WORKER AND MEMBER OF TAMPA DSA.
05:44:17PM I AM WORKING IN A HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY WHERE MORE AND MORE
05:44:20PM OF MY PATIENTS ARE MADE TO BE CRIMINAL BECAUSE OF WHAT KIND
05:44:23PM OF HEALTH CARE THEY NEED AND I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE.
05:44:25PM I AM ALSO LIVING IN A STATE WHERE DULY-ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE
05:44:29PM VIOLENTLY SACKED AND PLACED BY ILLEGITIMATE PUPPETS LIKE
05:44:36PM STATE ATTORNEY LOPEZ.
05:44:37PM THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS.
05:44:39PM MY CONCERNS OF PEOPLE BEING UNJUSTLY ARRESTED ARE VALID AND
05:44:43PM THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL NEED TO FIGHT BACK ON THIS ATTACK
05:44:45PM ON DEMOCRACY AS HARD AS THEY CAN.
05:44:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS PUBLIC COMMENT IS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
05:44:52PM 1, NOTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH OUR DISTRICT -- OUR STATE
05:44:56PM ATTORNEY THAT GOT UNDULY RELIEVED OF HIS DUTY.
05:44:59PM THIS IS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, PLEASE.
05:45:02PM >> OKAY.
05:45:02PM SO IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO SIMPLY SAY I AM PRO-ABORTION FROM THE
05:45:06PM CITY COUNCIL.
05:45:07PM I AM SUPPORTING COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S RESOLUTION.
05:45:11PM WE WANT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SAY I AM PRO-ABORTION AND IN
05:45:15PM MY CAPACITY AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER I PROMISE TO PROTECT
05:45:17PM THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION BY ANY MEANS I POSSIBLY CAN.
05:45:22PM WE PROVIDED THE SPECIFICS ON THIS RESOLUTION.
05:45:26PM PLEASE SIGN OFF ON IT.
05:45:28PM ALL OF THIS ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER
05:45:33PM SIGNING ON TO A RESOLUTION IS DEFERENCE TO DeSANTIS.
05:45:37PM RISK ADVERSE, CONSERVATIVE BY DESIGN AND AFRAID OF
05:45:42PM LITIGATION.
05:45:42PM FLORIDA ABORTION LAW IS NOT SETTLED.
05:45:44PM THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION HAS HISTORICALLY PROTECTED ABORTION
05:45:48PM AS A RIGHT.
05:45:49PM THE LEGAL TEAM'S ROLE IS TO GIVE ADVICE.
05:45:51PM WHAT THEY SAY IS NOT LAW.
05:45:53PM THEY CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.
05:45:54PM YOU ARE THE ONES TO APPROVE THE BUDGET.
05:45:56PM IF YOU ARE UNWILLING TO DECRIMINALIZE ABORTION, PLEASE GO ON
05:46:00PM THE RECORD AND EXPLAIN WHY.
05:46:01PM I READ ON RESOLUTION ON OTHER ISSUES 7-0 AND NEVER IN
05:46:06PM CIRCUS.
05:46:06PM WHEN IT COMES TO STAKING STANCE ON ABORTION, I AM NOT
05:46:10PM SENSING ANY CLARITY.
05:46:11PM MAYOR JANE CASTOR SAID WILL NOT BE DIRECTING THE TPD FOR
05:46:17PM PEOPLE WHO SEEK AND PROVIDE ABORTIONS.
05:46:19PM GOOD, JOIN THE MAYOR AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND TAKE A
05:46:23PM STAND.
05:46:23PM LET ME MAKE MYSELF CLEAR.
05:46:24PM LET'S ALSO DO AN ORDINANCE THAT WE KNOW THE MAYOR MIGHT BE
05:46:28PM SYMPATHETIC.
05:46:29PM STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT.
05:46:31PM THE MORE THOROUGH THE BETTER.
05:46:33PM AND I DON'T WANT TO STATEMENT EVEN THOUGH I THINK A
05:46:37PM STATEMENT WILL BE EXCELLENT.
05:46:38PM I WANT THE RIGHT TO PROTECT ABORTION TO BE CITY POLICY.
05:46:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SIR, YOU USED THE ACRONYM.
05:46:45PM >> DSA.
05:46:48PM >> DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA.
05:46:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
05:46:52PM >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
05:46:53PM >> HI, McKAYLA ROUTE, 33604.
05:47:00PM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA AND INTERNAL MEDICINE PHYSICIAN AND HERE
05:47:03PM TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S PROPOSED
05:47:06PM RESOLUTION TO PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS IN TAMPA.
05:47:09PM I CAN SAY A LOT OF MY THOUGHTS OF CRIMINALIZING ABORTION AS
05:47:13PM A PERSON WHO CAN BEAR CHILDREN BUT USE THIS TIME TO OFFER
05:47:17PM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A PHYSICIAN.
05:47:18PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED ABOUT YOU OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
05:47:20PM IS COLLAPSING AROUND US AT AN ALARMING RATE.
05:47:23PM WE ARE OPERATING UNDER TENSE AND SCARCE CONDITIONS UNDER
05:47:27PM COVID-19 WITHIN A PROFIT-DRIVEN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
05:47:31PM SINCE 2020, WORKING HEALTH CARE IS FIGHTING IN A
05:47:35PM NEVER-ENDING WAR ZONE.
05:47:36PM WE ARE IN CONSTANT BATTLE OF A SYSTEM NOT SAYING PROTECTING
05:47:41PM HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND PATIENTS FOR THE HEALTH CARE THEY
05:47:44PM HAVE A RIGHT TO.
05:47:45PM PATIENTS HAVE BEEN DYING AT UNPRECEDENTED RATES AND NURSES
05:47:48PM AND PHYSICIANS HAVE BEEN QUITTING IN DROVES RIGHTFULLY SO
05:47:51PM CREATING MORE DANGEROUS CONDITIONS FOR WORKERS AND PATIENTS.
05:47:53PM THE RECENT PASSING OF HB 5 AND OVERTURNING OF ROE V. WADE
05:47:58PM SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER SLAP IN THE FACE OF HEALTH CARE WORKERS
05:48:01PM AND PATIENTS AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESERVES TO WEATHER
05:48:03PM ANOTHER ASSAULT ON OUR AUTONOMY AND OUR ABILITY TO CARE FOR
05:48:07PM OUR PATIENTS.
05:48:08PM NO DOUBT ABOUT IT THAT ABORTION IS HEALTH CARE, NOT AT ALL.
05:48:11PM IN MANY CASES IT IS CONSIDERED THE STANDARD OF CARE AND PART
05:48:15PM OF THE PRACTICE OF EVIDENCE-BASED MEDICINE.
05:48:18PM PRESS IS A PHYSIOLOGIC STATE THAT CHANGES HOW A PERSON'S
05:48:22PM ORGANS FUNCTIONS, AND MANY MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHERE
05:48:27PM PREGNANCY -- AND CARRYING PREGNANCIES TO TERM CAN BE
05:48:31PM FATAL AND COMPLICATIONS THAT CAN ARISE WHERE THE
05:48:36PM STANDARD TREATMENT IS ABORTION AND WE CAN NOT WAIT FOR THE
05:48:39PM CONDITION IS DEEMED TO BE AN EMERGENCY.
05:48:40PM PATIENTS WILL DIE.
05:48:42PM THEY ARE ALREADY DYING.
05:48:42PM AND PHYSICIANS AND NURSES WILL BE ARRESTED FOR TRYING TO
05:48:45PM SAVE THEM.
05:48:46PM AFTER THREE YEARS OF HEALTH CARE WORKERS HAVING TO WATCH
05:48:49PM PATIENTS DIE IN WAITING ROOMS, IN THEIR HOMES, ICUs ISOLATED
05:48:54PM FROM THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS FOR NO GOOD REASON AT ALL, I
05:48:57PM DON'T THINK MANY OF US CAN TAKE WATCH OUR PREGNANT PATIENTS
05:48:59PM NEEDLESSLY DIE BECAUSE GOVERNMENT WON'T LET US PRACTICE OUR
05:49:03PM STANDARD OF CARE.
05:49:03PM THEY WON'T LET US DO OUR JOBS.
05:49:05PM MANY PHYSICIANS WILL GET ARRESTED IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES
05:49:09PM FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS AS THEY HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO DO.
05:49:12PM WHY ARE THEY BRAVE ENOUGH TO GO TO JAIL TO FIGHT FOR A THEIR
05:49:18PM PATIENTS AND YOU CAN'T DO THE BARE MINIMUM TO PROTECT US.
05:49:24PM WORRY ABOUT THE COST OF LEGAL FEES THAT WILL HELP PROTECT
05:49:27PM US.
05:49:27PM THE RESOLUTION PUT FORTH BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I KNOW IT
05:49:31PM IS NONBINDING, BUT AT LEAST SHOWS THAT YOU ARE CRITICALLY
05:49:35PM ANYTHING OF HOW YOU ARE ACTIVELY GOING TO PROTECT US.
05:49:37PM LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT AN
05:49:42PM ORDINANCE AND THAT IS THE NEXT BEST STEP.
05:49:44PM I URGE YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WITHOUT
05:49:48PM ANY EDITS BECAUSE THE ONE THAT THE LEGAL PUT FORTH IS A BIG
05:49:52PM SLAP IN THE FACE AND WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING.
05:49:53PM THANK YOU.
05:49:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
05:49:56PM >> COUNCILMEMBERS, GOOD EVENING.
05:50:01PM MY NAME IS SAMPSON, AND I HAVE BEEN A LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF
05:50:05PM TAMPA, 33602.
05:50:07PM I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE
05:50:13PM HURTAK RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT
05:50:17PM YOU ALL DO THE SAME BASED ON THE SIMPLE PRINCIPLE OF
05:50:21PM EQUALITY FOR ALL HUMAN BEINGS REGARDLESS OF GENDER.
05:50:26PM YOU SEE, BY VOTING IN FAVOR OF THE HURTAK RESOLUTION, YOU
05:50:31PM WILL NOT ONLY BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH MAYOR JANE CASTOR'S
05:50:37PM POSITION OF DECRIMINALIZING SEEKERS OR HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS
05:50:41PM OF ABORTION, YOU WILL ALSO DISSOLVE CENTURIES-OLD INEQUALITY
05:50:48PM BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN AND TELLING THE WORLD THAT THE CITY OF
05:50:53PM TAMPA ACKNOWLEDGES WOMEN AS CO-EQUAL TO MEN.
05:50:58PM IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT UNTIL RECENTLY IN OUR
05:51:01PM HISTORY, WOMEN WERE CONSIDERED PROPERTY OF MEN.
05:51:05PM IN OTHER WORDS, OUR LEGAL, RELIGIOUS AND CUTS RALE HISTORY
05:51:11PM CONSIDERED WOMEN AS MERE CHATTEL OR THINGS, LIKE A CAR OR A
05:51:18PM SMARTPHONE.
05:51:19PM TO BE OWNED AND POSSESSED BY MEN.
05:51:22PM I AM CONFIDENT TO SAY THAT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AFTER
05:51:27PM HEARING THIS HISTORICAL FACT IS THINKING, WHAT THE F.
05:51:32PM AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THIS BIZARRE BELIEF SYSTEM, WOMEN HAD NO
05:51:37PM RIGHT OR SELF-DETERMINATION TO CONTROL THEIR OWN BODIES.
05:51:43PM IT WAS THE MEN, EITHER THE FATHER OR THE HUSBAND THAT HAD
05:51:48PM ABSOLUTE SAY OVER WHAT THEIR DAUGHTER OR WIFE CAN AND CANNOT
05:51:52PM DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES.
05:51:55PM JUST IMAGINE IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED, WHETHER THE WOMEN
05:52:00PM -- WHERE THE WOMEN HAD ABSOLUTE SAY OVER THE VASECTOMY OF
05:52:04PM THEIR HUSBAND OR SON.
05:52:06PM UNIMAGINABLE, RIGHT.
05:52:08PM TODAY, I AM CONFIDANT TO SAY THAT VIRTUALLY NO ONE WOULD
05:52:14PM STAND UP AND OWN UP AND SAY THAT A MAN OWNS A WOMAN AS A
05:52:19PM THING.
05:52:20PM HOWEVER, IT IS CRUCIAL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE -- THAT
05:52:25PM WE ARE STILL LIVING WITH THAT ARTIFACT OF THIS BIZARRE
05:52:31PM IDEOLOGY, WHICH IS STILL IN PLACE DENYING WOMEN THE ABSOLUTE
05:52:35PM SOVEREIGNTY TO CONTROL HER OWN BODY AND ESPECIALLY HER OWN
05:52:40PM FERTILITY.
05:52:41PM I PERSONALLY CANNOT SUPPORT ANY OBSTACLE TO EQUALITY THAT
05:52:47PM CONTINUES TO PERPETUATE OUR HISTORICAL MISTAKE OF TREATING
05:52:51PM WOMEN AS A MERE THING.
05:52:53PM CLEARLY YOU CAN AGREE WITH ME ON THAT.
05:52:56PM NOW COUNCILMEMBERS OF THIS ROOM ARE ELECTED TO MAKE
05:52:59PM DECISIONS FOR OUR BELOVED CITY OF TAMPA.
05:53:01PM IT IS MY HOPE AS WELL AS PROPONENTS --
05:53:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
05:53:06PM >> ALL RIGHT.
05:53:07PM THE BEST WAS YET TO COME.
05:53:09PM >> HI, GOOD EVENING.
05:53:16PM MY NAME IS EMILY GRIST.
05:53:18PM ZIP CODE 33605, AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA DEMOCRATIC
05:53:25PM SOCIALIST AND I AM ALSO A PUBLIC SCHOOLTEACHER HERE IN
05:53:28PM TAMPA.
05:53:28PM I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S RESOLUTION.
05:53:31PM AS A TEACHER, I LIKE TO DO MY RESEARCH.
05:53:34PM DID YOU KNOW THAT AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL ACTUALLY DEFINES
05:53:39PM FORCED PRESS AS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
05:53:42PM THERE ARE SOME DEBATES IT BEING STATE LAW, AND MY QUESTION
05:53:45PM IS REALLY, HOW CAN FORCING A PREGNANT PERSON TO CARRY A
05:53:51PM PREGNANCY THEY DO NOT WANT OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SURVIVE MORAL
05:53:54PM AND JUST.
05:53:54PM HOW IS THAT NOT A FORCED PRESS WHICH IS, AS I SAID, DEFINED
05:53:58PM AS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY BY AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL.
05:54:02PM IN 2016, I BEGAN TO, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE -- FEAR
05:54:08PM FOR MY SAFETY AS A WOMAN IN THE UNITED STATES.
05:54:09PM IN 2020, I KNEW I HAD TO NEAR FOR MY SAFETY AS A WOMAN IN
05:54:13PM THE UNITED STATES.
05:54:14PM NOW IN 2022, I LIVE IN CONSTANT FEAR AS A WOMAN IN THE
05:54:17PM UNITED STATES.
05:54:18PM PERSONALLY, I AM NOT AT A TIME IN MY LIFE WHERE I COULD
05:54:22PM CARRY A PRESS.
05:54:23PM I AM A SINGLE PAYING HOUSE HOLD.
05:54:26PM I COULD NOT AFFORD THE TIME OFF OF WORK TO CARRY A PRESS.
05:54:29PM I COULD NOT AFFORD THE HOSPITAL BILLS THAT COME WITH A
05:54:33PM PRESS.
05:54:33PM I COULD NOT.
05:54:34PM IT IS JUST NOT AN OPTION FOR ME.
05:54:36PM MY FAMILY HAS ALSO HAD HISTORICALLY LIFE-THREATENING
05:54:42PM PREGNANCIES.
05:54:43PM I LIVE IN FEAR THAT IF THIS HAPPENS TO ME I MAY BE DENIED
05:54:47PM THE MEDICAL CARE I MAY NEED TO SURVIVE MUCH BECAUSE OF LAWS
05:54:57PM THAT ARE ABOVE ME.
05:54:58PM I HAVE LEGITIMATELY CONSIDERED WHETHER THIS IS A STATE THAT
05:55:03PM I WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THAT I WILL RAISE A FAMILY IN AND
05:55:10PM BE SAFE TO RAISE A FAMILY IN.
05:55:12PM THAT ANSWER IS NO.
05:55:14PM NOT A STATE I FEEL SAFE IN.
05:55:22PM A BEACON OF HOPE THAT WOMEN CAN COME HERE AND PROSECUTING
05:55:25PM THEM WILL BE ON THE LOWEST PRIORITY DUE TO THIS RESOLUTION.
05:55:29PM YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GET US THE BEST MEDICAL CARE WHICH
05:55:33PM IS SOMETHING THAT WE SOMETHING WE DESERVE AND ARE ENTITLED
05:55:44PM TO.
05:55:44PM THE VOTE FOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S RESOLUTION IS A VOTE TO
05:55:48PM BEGIN TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS OF TAMPA IN THESE HARE EVER
05:55:51PM CONDITIONS WE ARE LIVING IN FLORIDA
05:55:53PM IMPLORE YOU TO MAKE TAMPA FEEL SAFE AGAIN AND PROTECT OUR
05:55:57PM PEOPLE I HOPE THAT YOU WILL NOT ONLY COUNT ON MINE BUT ALL
05:56:08PM OF WOMEN OF TAMPA'S SAFETY.
05:56:09PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
05:56:11PM I AM DANIEL.
05:56:12PM I LIVE IN ZIP CODE 33617.
05:56:14PM AND I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA CHAPTER OF THE
05:56:18PM DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST OF AMERICA.
05:56:19PM I'M HERE TO FIRST EXPRESS MY FEELINGS ABOUT HOW ABSURD IT IS
05:56:27PM THAT WE EVEN HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE,
05:56:30PM ABOUT HAVING TO PROTECT WHAT IS SUCH AN ESSENTIAL HUMAN
05:56:35PM RIGHT AND LIBERTY THAT IS BEING CHALLENGED AND UNDER THREAT.
05:56:40PM IT IS AN ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH HOOPS
05:56:44PM TO SECURE THIS HUMAN RIGHT.
05:56:47PM ALSO, I THINK IT IS A HUGE WASTE OF RESOURCES IN ORDER TO
05:56:53PM ENFORCE AN AGENDA MADE BY THEOCRATIC LEGISLATORS TRYING TO
05:57:02PM PUSH THEIR BELIEFS ON TO OTHER PEOPLE REGARDLESS WHETHER OR
05:57:05PM NOT THEY HAVE THE SAME BELIEFS.
05:57:06PM I THINK IT WOULD BE A BETTER USE OF CITY RESOURCES PUSHING
05:57:10PM AGAINST WHAT TALLAHASSEE IS FORCING US TO DO.
05:57:14PM ALSO COMPLETELY ABSURD THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS TRYING
05:57:20PM TO FORCE WOMEN TO GIVE BIRTH INTO A STATE THAT YEAR AFTER
05:57:24PM YEAR IT IS HONESTLY GETTING WORSE TO RAISE CHILDREN IN.
05:57:27PM IT IS HARDER TO MAINTAIN A LIVING WITH PRICE OF HOUSING
05:57:32PM GOING UP.
05:57:33PM AND JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WOMEN WERE HAVING THE MOST
05:57:38PM DIFFICULT TIME SECURING BABY FORMULA TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN.
05:57:42PM JUST THIS MORNING, THERE WAS A SHOOTING AT ONE OF OUR HIGH
05:57:48PM SCHOOLS.
05:57:48PM OUR COMMUNITIES ARE BECOMING LESS SAFE.
05:57:51PM IT'S -- OUR RESOURCES ARE BECOMING MORE STRAINED, AND WE ARE
05:57:56PM NOT HAVING THE PRIORITY THAT THESE CHILDREN DESERVE.
05:58:00PM AND TALLAHASSEE IS FORCING US TO BRING LIFE INTO THIS HEALTH
05:58:08PM SCAPE, TO BE HONEST.
05:58:09PM WE ARE ALREADY HAVING A HARD TIME PROVIDING FOR OURSELVES,
05:58:13PM AND TO BRING ANOTHER LIFE THAT WILL JUST STRAIN US TO THE
05:58:16PM BREAKING POINT IS BEYOND WORDS.
05:58:20PM THAT'S WHY I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT HURTAK'S RESOLUTION WITH
05:58:24PM ZERO COMPROMISE.
05:58:25PM AND I WANT US TO GO EVEN FURTHER TO CODIFY THIS INTO
05:58:31PM ACTIONABLE LAWS, INTO ORDINANCES.
05:58:34PM THANK YOU.
05:58:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
05:58:35PM >> HELLO, EVERYONE.
05:58:41PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
05:58:42PM MY NAME IS RON VALARO, 33570.
05:58:47PM I WOULD LIKE TO DISABUSE THE COUNCILMEMBERS OF THE NOTION
05:58:50PM THAT ANYBODY THAT WERE WRITING IN ON BEHALF OF HURTAK'S
05:58:57PM RESOLUTION THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS LEGALLY
05:59:00PM BINDING OR THAT WE THOUGHT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING
05:59:03PM TO, YOU KNOW, CIRCUMVENT STATE LAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
05:59:09PM WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS.
05:59:12PM AND I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MANY OF THE PEOPLE SPEAKING
05:59:15PM TODAY.
05:59:15PM WE KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS.
05:59:17PM AND THIS IS A SIGNAL.
05:59:18PM AND WE UNDERSTAND WHY THAT SIGNAL MIGHT BE LITTLE BIT
05:59:22PM ALARMING FOR SOME OF YOU TO SEND GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL
05:59:27PM CLIMATE.
05:59:29PM I AM SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY AS A GIRL DAD.
05:59:34PM YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO IDENTIFY AS -- I AM A BOY
05:59:38PM MOM, A GIRL DAD.
05:59:40PM SO I HAVE TWO YOUNG GIRLS THAT I AM GOING TO RAISE AND THEY
05:59:47PM ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE THE RAMIFICATIONS, THE
05:59:52PM IMPLICATIONS THAT THESE KIND OF LAWS ARE GOING TO ENFORCE.
05:59:55PM I LIVE EVERY DAY IN FEAR JUST LIKE EVERY PARENT DOES OF ALL
06:00:02PM OF THE MYRIAD OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILDREN,
06:00:07PM WHICH ARE MANY.
06:00:07PM AND NOW WE HAVE TO ADD STATE VIOLENCE TO THAT.
06:00:12PM EITHER IN THE FORM OF UNJUST ARRESTS OR THE THOUGHT OF ONE
06:00:20PM OF MY BABIES DYING ON A TABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE UNABLE TO GET
06:00:25PM THE HEALTH CARE -- THE HEALTH CARE THAT THEY NEED.
06:00:28PM NOW I KNOW THAT THIS RESOLUTION -- HURTAK'S RESOLUTION -- IS
06:00:35PM NOT GOING TO STOP THE POLICE FROM BANGING AT SOMEBODY'S
06:00:39PM DOOR.
06:00:39PM BUT, AGAIN, IT IS AN IMPORTANT SIGNAL THAT WE NEED TO BE
06:00:43PM SENDING AS A SOCIETY AND AS A CITY AND AS A COMMUNITY OF
06:00:47PM PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE-MINDED, WHO ARE ALL WORKING TOWARD THE
06:00:51PM SAME GOAL OF LIVING A JUST AND FULFILLING LIFE.
06:00:54PM IT IS THE SIGNAL WE ARE SENDING.
06:00:57PM I FULLY, FULLY AM ON BOARD WITH AN ORDINANCE, BUT I WOULD
06:01:02PM LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL TO SEND A SIGNAL TONIGHT WITHOUT ANY
06:01:08PM SORT OF, AGAIN, HAND WRINGING AND COWING ABOUT LEGAL
06:01:18PM WHATEVER.
06:01:19PM THIS IS -- THIS IS IMPORTANT.
06:01:20PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY COUNCIL PASS IT.
06:01:22PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:01:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
06:01:24PM >> HI, EVERYONE.
06:01:32PM MY NAME IS AMANDA NORRIS.
06:01:34PM I AM A HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY RESIDENT.
06:01:36PM ZIP CODE 33584.
06:01:38PM THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US ALL HERE TONIGHT.
06:01:41PM I'M HERE TODAY TO VOCALIZE MY SUPPORT OF COUNCILMAN LYNN
06:01:48PM HURTAK'S RESOLUTION.
06:01:51PM LACK OF ACCESS TO SAFE, TIMELY, AFFORDABLE AND RESPECTFUL
06:01:56PM ABORTION CARE IS A CRITICAL PUBLIC HEALTH AND HUMAN RIGHTS
06:02:00PM ISSUE.
06:02:00PM OVERTURNING ROE V. WADE CHALLENGES THE RIGHT OF BODILY
06:02:06PM AUTONOMY FOR HALF OF U.S. CITIZENS
06:02:08PM IF BANS ON ABORTION CONTINUES, WOMEN WILL DIE.
06:02:12PM DOCTORS AND NURSE ALSO VERY LOW CATEGORY FROM STATES THAT
06:02:15PM CRIMINALIZE ABORTION TO STATES THAT LET THEM PRACTICE
06:02:19PM WITHOUT FEAR OF PROSECUTION.
06:02:21PM DO WE WANT TO SEE FLORIDA BECOME UNAFFORDABLE, UNEDUCATED
06:02:26PM STATE FOR SUBPAR MEDICAL ACCESS?
06:02:28PM WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE COURSE, AND IT STARTS
06:02:31PM HERE.
06:02:31PM TAMPA CAN SET A PRECEDENT BY SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION.
06:02:35PM AND FURTHER DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE TO DECLARE TAMPA A
06:02:39PM SANCTUARY CITY.
06:02:40PM WE CAN DECLARE THAT WE WILL NOT PROSECUTE PEOPLE SEEKING TO
06:02:44PM RECEIVE AN ABORTION.
06:02:44PM MEDICAL STAFF OR PERFORMING AN ABORTION, OR PEOPLE OFFERINGS
06:02:48PM ASSISTANCE TO OTHERS FOR ABORTION-RELATED SERVICES.
06:02:52PM WE WILL NOT RESTRICT MEDICAL ACCESS.
06:02:54PM WE WILL NOT VIOLATE TO OUR CITIZENS' RIGHTS FOR PRIVACY AND
06:02:59PM NOT CRIMINALIZE ABORTION OR ABORTIONS IN ANY CAPACITY UP TO
06:03:03PM CITATIONS AND FINES.
06:03:05PM WE WILL SUPPORT OUR DOCTORS AND THEIR REQUEST QUEST TO
06:03:07PM PROVIDE APPROPRIATE MEDICAL CARE AND PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF
06:03:11PM OUR RESIDENTS.
06:03:12PM WE CAN TAKE THIS STAND.
06:03:14PM WE CAN BECOME AN EXAMPLE TO THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY SAYING
06:03:17PM WE WILL NOT ACCEPT OUR RIGHTS TO OUR BODIES AND RIGHTS BEING
06:03:21PM VIOLATED.
06:03:22PM AS THIS FIGHT PROGRESSES, LET TAMPA TO BE A SAFE ZONE.
06:03:26PM FIGHT TO PRESERVE OUR RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS OF FLORIDA AND
06:03:30PM ALL OF OUR RIGHTS OF THE UNITED STATES.
06:03:33PM AND LET TAMPA REPRESENT FREEDOM.
06:03:36PM THANK YOU.
06:03:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
06:03:37PM >> HI, CRAIG BIRCHFIELD.
06:03:41PM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
06:03:43PM 33626.
06:03:45PM I AM A MEMBER OF THE PARTY OF SOCIALISM AND THE TAMPA UNION.
06:03:52PM YOU OWE US.
06:03:53PM EVERY SINGLE ONE YOU BUT HURTAK AND GUDES, YOU OWE US.
06:03:57PM YOU ARE COWARDS.
06:03:58PM YOU BACK DOWN.
06:03:59PM YOU BACKED DOWN WHEN RENT CONTROL WAS SET TO BE ON THE
06:04:03PM BALLOT.
06:04:03PM YOU SAID YES, LET '-- CARLSON, OUR COWARD FROM THE
06:04:08PM BEGINNING.
06:04:08PM BUT THE REST OF YOU OWE US ON THIS.
06:04:10PM YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE WANT TO YOU SIGN ON TO THIS
06:04:13PM RESOLUTION EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE
06:04:15PM LAWS.
06:04:16PM EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THAT AN ORDINANCE THE NEXT BEST THING
06:04:20PM AND WE EXPECT TO YOU DO THAT AS WELL.
06:04:22PM BUT YOU OWE US.
06:04:24PM I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM TRUST YOU FOR WHAT YOU
06:04:28PM ARE WORTH.
06:04:28PM WHY SHOULD WE YOU.
06:04:32PM EVERY TIME WE GET TO A POINT OF MEANINGFUL ACTION, BACK
06:04:37PM DOWN.
06:04:37PM BACK TO THE LANDLORDS.
06:04:38PM BACK DOWN TO DeSANTIS.
06:04:40PM WHAT THIS HAND WRINGING OF THE RESOLUTION IS ALL ABOUT,
06:04:43PM RIGHT.
06:04:44PM NOT WANTING TO STAND UP IN FRONT OF A FASCIST DICTATOR IN
06:04:49PM TALLAHASSEE.
06:04:50PM GROW HE A BACKBONE.
06:04:51PM YOU OWE US.
06:04:52PM SIGN ON TO THE RESOLUTION AS HURTAK PRESENT IT.
06:04:56PM NOT THE SPECKLESS RESOLUTION THAT THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT
06:05:00PM THAT DOESN'T SHOW TAMPA YOUR INTENTION AT ALL, VAGUE
06:05:04PM LANGUAGE.
06:05:04PM HURTAK'S RESOLUTION HAS THE LANGUAGE TO KNOW AND BEGIN TO
06:05:07PM BUILD A MODICUM OF TRUST WITH THE WORKING-CLASS HERE THAT
06:05:10PM YOU WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
06:05:12PM THAT YOU WILL PROTECT US FROM THE FASCISTS IN TALLAHASSEE
06:05:16PM [APPLAUSE]
06:05:22PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
06:05:24PM >> HELLO.
06:05:24PM MY NAME IS SAM, AND MY ZIP CODE 33604.
06:05:28PM AS A LIBRARIAN, THE RIGHT OF PRIVACY IS ONE OF MY GREATEST
06:05:33PM PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL VALUES.
06:05:34PM BUT MORE THAN A RESOLUTION THAT VAGUELY SUPPORTS THE RIGHT
06:05:38PM FOR PRIVACY.
06:05:39PM I SUPPORT THE CLEAR RESOLUTION THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS
06:05:43PM PROPOSED.
06:05:44PM THE BARE MINIMUM THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN TO DO VOICE THEIR
06:05:49PM SUPPORT FOR THE DECRIMINALIZATION OF ABORTION IN THE CITY.
06:05:53PM I SUPPORT AN ORDINANCE BUT I DO NOT HAVE A FAITH THAT
06:05:57PM COUNCIL WILL PASS AN ORDINANCE IF WE DON'T FIRST PASS THIS
06:06:00PM RESOLUTION.
06:06:00PM PASSING THE RESOLUTIONS AS PROPOSED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
06:06:05PM IS AT LEAST THE CITY COUNCIL CAN TO DO PROTECT ABORTION IN
06:06:08PM TAMPA THANK YOU.
06:06:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
06:06:11PM >> HI, I AM QUENTIN.
06:06:15PM 33602.
06:06:16PM I HAVE LIVED IN TAMPA MY WHOLE LIFE.
06:06:18PM I WAS BORN HERE.
06:06:19PM EVERYTHING GOES WELL, I WILL DIE HERE.
06:06:23PM [LAUGHTER]
06:06:25PM THANKS.
06:06:25PM THIS -- STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING FROM THE TOP, THIS
06:06:32PM WASN'T LIKE SOME UNBIASED JUDICIAL REVIEW TO CHANGE SOME
06:06:36PM LAWS AS A POLITICAL POWER GRAB.
06:06:39PM AND IT IS JUST FILTERING ETC. WAY DOWN TO HERE.
06:06:43PM AND I GET THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY LAWS
06:06:47PM AND KEEP THE COPS -- EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID.
06:06:51PM A CHANCE FOR TAMPA TO SAY WE WILL NOT GET BULLIED BY PEOPLE
06:06:54PM WHO ARE NOT TAMPA.
06:06:56PM OUR FLAG IS TERRIBLE, AND WE LOVE IT ANYWAY.
06:06:59PM LET'S COME TOGETHER AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
06:07:01PM PASS THE ORIGINAL VERSION.
06:07:02PM WE HAD TWO WEEKS.
06:07:03PM I DID READ IT.
06:07:05PM I LIKE THE ORIGINAL.
06:07:06PM THE LEGAL ONE LOOKS LIKE IT IS WRITTEN BY A LAWYER.
06:07:08PM THAT'S IT.
06:07:11PM THANKS.
06:07:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
06:07:13PM >> HELLO.
06:07:17PM MY NAME IS ELIZA PEREZ.
06:07:20PM 33635.
06:07:22PM I AM A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA DSA.
06:07:25PM I KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN RECEIVING OUR CALLS AND E-MAILS
06:07:27PM ABOUT THE RESOLUTION.
06:07:29PM I WANT TO THANK THOSE OF YOU WHO RESPONDED.
06:07:32PM SOME OF THE RESPONSES WERE A LITTLE CONTRADICTING.
06:07:37PM WE WERE TOLD THAT OUR RESOLUTION IS NOT AN ORDINANCE AND IT
06:07:41PM BASICALLY HOLDS NO WEIGHT.
06:07:42PM IF THAT IS THE CASE, PASSING IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT.
06:07:45PM I DO NOT AGREE WITH WHAT ONE COUNCILMEMBER SAID THAT SIGNING
06:07:51PM ON TO A RESOLUTION WILL HARM THE PEOPLE WE ARE TRYING TO
06:07:53PM PROTECT AND GIVE THEM FALSE EXPECTATIONS.
06:07:56PM THIS COMMUNITY IS REALLY STRUGGLING AND OUR EXPECTATIONS
06:08:01PM THAT OUR GOVERNMENT WILL DO ANYTHING TO HELP US CAN'T
06:08:03PM POSSIBLY BE ANY LOWER THAN THEY ALREADY ARE.
06:08:06PM WE FEEL LIKE MORE OF OUR RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY EVERY
06:08:10PM DAY.
06:08:10PM WE ARE DISAPPOINTED.
06:08:12PM AND WE HAVE LOST FAITH IN THE IDEA THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS
06:08:16PM OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART.
06:08:18PM RIGHT THING TO DO IS PASS THE RESOLUTION AND FOLLOW THROUGH
06:08:21PM WITH WHAT IT SAYS.
06:08:22PM ALSO IF THE RESOLUTION IS BASICALLY USELESS, I WOULD LIKE TO
06:08:26PM KNOW WHY THE LEGAL TEAM IS SO DESPERATE TO CHANGE THE
06:08:30PM LANGUAGE.
06:08:30PM WE WERE TOLD OF THE COUNCIL'S CONCERN OF LEGALITY AND
06:08:33PM LITIGATION COSTS BUT I DON'T SEE WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH
06:08:37PM PEOPLE'S LIVES.
06:08:38PM YOUR CONCERN SHOULD BE WITH THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF THE
06:08:41PM PEOPLE OF THE CITY AND NOT WHAT THE LAWYERS HAVE TO SAY.
06:08:43PM YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS HEADED.
06:08:45PM ABORTION WILL NOT STOP IT AND WILL COST A LOT OF TIME AND
06:08:51PM RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE WHO SEEK ABORTIONS.
06:08:53PM I THINK WE NEED TO SPEND OUR RESOURCES ON DECRIMINALIZING
06:08:57PM REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE INSTEAD.
06:08:58PM I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY,
06:09:02PM CONCERNING OURSELVES WITH THE BUDGET IS EXTREMELY
06:09:04PM INAPPROPRIATE AND IRRESPONSIBLE.
06:09:09PM INSTEAD OF PROSECUTING PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING WRONG, I THINK
06:09:14PM FUNDS SHOULD BE GOING TOWARD CHALLENGING UNJUST LAWS.
06:09:17PM I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNCIL IS CONCERNED WITH STAYING
06:09:20PM WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW, BUT WHEN THOSE BOUNDARIES
06:09:22PM ARE CONTINUOUSLY CLOSING IN ON US AND SUFFOCATING US, IT IS
06:09:26PM TIME TO CHANGE THEM.
06:09:27PM HB 5 IS NOT SETTLED YET AND THE TIME TO STRIKE IT DOWN IS
06:09:32PM RIGHT NOW.
06:09:33PM RESPECTFULLY, THE LEGAL TEAM'S RESOLUTION NEEDS TO GO IN THE
06:09:37PM TRASH.
06:09:37PM YES.
06:09:40PM SO, AGAIN, DSA DEMANDS ACCESS TO SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTIONS TO
06:09:49PM ALL INDIVIDUALS ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON.
06:09:51PM WE DEMAND YOU PASS THE RESOLUTION WITHOUT ANY CHANGES TO THE
06:09:54PM LANGUAGE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE BINDING LEGISLATION.
06:09:56PM THANK YOU.
06:09:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
06:09:58PM >> GOOD EVENING.
06:10:06PM MY NAME IS SAM ABID, THE STATE DIRECTOR OF PARTNERSHIPS.
06:10:12PM AND I AM AN ACTIVIST, A SPOKEN WORD POET AND ADVOCATE FOR
06:10:17PM YOUTH, 33605.
06:10:20PM I HAVE WRITTEN YOU A LITTLE SPEECH AND PUT THIS ASIDE FOR A
06:10:23PM QUICK SECOND TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONFLICT THAT THE
06:10:25PM COUNCIL HAD BETWEEN THEMSELVES WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
06:10:27PM THIS RESOLUTION.
06:10:28PM FOLKS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED OF PROTECTING, I HEARD
06:10:33PM THAT MULTIPLE TIMES.
06:10:35PM CONCERNED OF THE PEOPLE WE ARE PROTECTING.
06:10:38PM CONCERNED OF THE PEOPLE YOU ARE NEEDING TO PROTECT.
06:10:40PM WE ARE HERE.
06:10:41PM THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING YOU TO PASS THE
06:10:44PM RESOLUTION.
06:10:44PM THE HUMAN ON YOUR COUNCIL WHOSE IDENTIFY IS DIRECTLY
06:10:50PM AFFECTED BY THE ABORTION LAW IS THE PERSON WHO IS PRESENTING
06:10:52PM THIS RESOLUTION TO BE PASSED.
06:10:53PM EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE, OUR IDENTITIES ARE DEEPLY
06:10:58PM IMPACTED.
06:10:59PM THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WHOSE IDENTITY IS NOT IMPACTED
06:11:03PM BY THESE LAWS AND WHO WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY THIS
06:11:06PM RESOLUTION TELLING US THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS POINTLESS, I
06:11:10PM DON'T SEE THE POINT IN TELLING A COMMUNITY THAT YOU DO NOT
06:11:12PM HAVE DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH THAT WE DO NOT HAVE AN OPINION
06:11:16PM AND WE DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESOLUTION AND
06:11:19PM ORDINANCE.
06:11:19PM IF YOU ARE RECEIVING COMMUNICATION FROM FOLKS WHO ARE
06:11:23PM MISTAKING A RESOLUTION FOR AN ORDINANCE, PERHAPS WE CAN USE
06:11:26PM THAT AS A TEACHING MOMENT.
06:11:28PM MY ORGANIZATION WILL BE HAPPY TO FACILITATE THAT TEACHING
06:11:31PM MOMENT.
06:11:31PM YOU, YOURSELF, WITH RESPOND TO THESE HUMANS LETTING THEM
06:11:35PM KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESOLUTION AND AN ORDINANCE SO
06:11:38PM THEY CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION WHAT THEY WANT TO SUPPORT
06:11:41PM FOR THEMSELVES.
06:11:42PM AS FAR AS GIVING PEOPLE -- RAISING PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS AND
06:11:46PM GIVING THEM HOPE THAT DOES NOT EXIST.
06:11:48PM I AM A MASCULINE PERFORMING LESBIAN, I AM AN INDIAN, MUSLIM
06:11:54PM LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES.
06:11:55PM SINCE 2016, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY IDENTITIES HAVE BEEN
06:11:59PM UNDER THREAT UP UNTIL NOW AND NOT ENDING ANY TIME SOON.
06:12:02PM ALL I HAVE IS HOPE.
06:12:03PM WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME.
06:12:05PM WHY WOULD YOU NOT MAKE THAT SYMBOLIC GESTURE TO SAY I HAVE
06:12:09PM YOUR BACK, AND AS A CITY OF TAMPA, I AM GOING TO DO MY BEST
06:12:12PM TO MOVE FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT YOU ARE PROTECTED.
06:12:14PM THIS YEAR, THE STATE LEGISLATURE RELEASED A NUMBER OF LAWS
06:12:18PM THAT IMPACTED NOT JUST WOMEN IDENTIFIED HUMANS, BUT A LARGE
06:12:24PM NUMBER OF LBGTQ PLUS IDENTIFIED HUMANS.
06:12:29PM ALL IMPACT ONE COMMUNITY DISPROPORTIONATELY, CHILDREN.
06:12:33PM OUR CHILDREN ARE INCREDIBLY VULNERABLE IN THIS CURRENT
06:12:38PM MOMENT AND THE RESOLUTION BY HUMAN LYNN HURTAK WITH THE
06:12:45PM DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA NOT JUST A RANDOM TO
06:12:52PM PROTECTS CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE BUT HUMANS, THESE MOST
06:12:56PM VULNERABLE CHILDREN IN SOCIETY.
06:12:58PM I AM NOT A PARENT BY NORMATIVE STANDARDS BUT I HAD A
06:13:01PM PRIVILEGE OF RAISING MANY YOUNG HUMANS AND FOR THEM, THEIR
06:13:04PM SAFETY SHOULD NOT BE NEGOTIABLE.
06:13:06PM SO I STAND BY LYNN HURTAK'S RESOLUTION.
06:13:08PM I STAND BY IT UNAMENDED, UNADAPTED.
06:13:12PM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS WHERE OUR MINDS ARE WHEN IT COMES TO
06:13:17PM WHETHER WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESOLUTION AND AN
06:13:20PM ORDINANCE AND WHAT KIND OF COLLABORATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN
06:13:24PM WITH THAT, PLEASE TALK TO US.
06:13:25PM THANK YOU.
06:13:26PM [APPLAUSE]
06:13:28PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
06:13:31PM >> HELLO.
06:13:32PM MONICA PETRELLA, 33606.
06:13:36PM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS AS
06:13:41PM WELL.
06:13:41PM YOU KNOW OUR DEMANDS.
06:13:42PM YOU HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES.
06:13:43PM VERY CLEAR.
06:13:44PM PLEASE SUPPORT THE COUNCILWOMAN'S RESOLUTION AS SHE WROTE
06:13:50PM IT.
06:13:50PM THAT IS WHAT WE WANT AND DEMAND.
06:13:52PM RIGHT NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO ASK -- I WISH COUNCILMAN VIERA
06:13:56PM COULD HEAR THIS TOO.
06:13:57PM WHAT IS LEADERSHIP FOR YOU.
06:13:58PM THIS IS THE TIME.
06:13:59PM WHEN YOU HEAR OF TAMPA, WE HEAR OVERWHELMINGLY OF FASCISM.
06:14:05PM YOUR TIME TO STAND UP AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO STAND STRONG
06:14:08PM WITH OUR PEOPLE.
06:14:09PM APPARENTLY A MEANINGLESS RESOLUTION, SO WHAT IS YOUR
06:14:14PM HESITATION?
06:14:15PM I HOPE IT IS NOT MEANINGLESS.
06:14:17PM I HOPE WE SEEK AN ORDINANCE.
06:14:19PM I HOPE WE GO FURTHER.
06:14:20PM I HOPE WE CHALLENGE THIS.
06:14:22PM I HOPE WE GET AS LOUD AS WE CAN.
06:14:24PM YOU CAN AND SHOULD DO THAT.
06:14:25PM LEADERSHIP, YOU HAVE MANY MORE PLANS BESIDES THIS ONE DAIS
06:14:29PM AND HOLD THIS VOTE TODAY WILL AFFECT THE REST OF YOUR
06:14:33PM POTENTIAL CAMPAIGNS, POTENTIAL LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.
06:14:36PM A SHAME FOR ANY OF YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
06:14:38PM IT IS EASY.
06:14:39PM IT IS NEEDED.
06:14:40PM IT IS -- NO OTHER OPTION.
06:14:42PM SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW OUR DEMANDS.
06:14:44PM PASS THE RESOLUTION IN FULL AS IS WRITTEN BY COUNCILWOMAN
06:14:48PM HURTAK.
06:14:48PM THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT ON BOARD.
06:14:50PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
06:14:57PM MY NAME IS TULIO GONZALEZ.
06:15:00PM 33613.
06:15:02PM I AM NOT A MEMBER OF TAMPA DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST OF AMERICA
06:15:07PM OR OF TAMPA, BUT THEY ARE FRIENDS OF MINE.
06:15:09PM AND TODAY I AM STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH MY FRIENDS WHICH
06:15:13PM I HOPE EVERYONE HERE WILL BE WILLING TO DO AS WELL.
06:15:16PM SO I RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW.
06:15:19PM THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
06:15:21PM BUT SOMETHING THAT I RESPECT A LOT MORE THAN THAT AND THE
06:15:24PM IDEA IS DEMOCRACY.
06:15:25PM IT IS A LOT OLDER.
06:15:29PM AND THE PREMISE OF DEMOCRACY IS FREEDOM.
06:15:32PM OKAY.
06:15:34PM THAT IS FREEDOM OF THOUGHT.
06:15:36PM THAT IS FREEDOM OF WILL.
06:15:38PM THAT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
06:15:40PM THAT IS FREEDOM OF PRIVACY.
06:15:42PM THAT IS FREEDOM OF CHOICE.
06:15:44PM I WOULD NO MORE TRY TO IMPOSE MY RELIGIOUS BELIEF ON ANYONE
06:15:50PM UP THERE ON THAT DAIS, AND I EXPECT THE SAME IN KIND, OKAY.
06:15:54PM OUR SELF-STYLED AUTOCRATIC GOVERNOR, BECAUSE THAT'S
06:16:03PM EXACTLY WHAT HE IS, AND HE BELIEVES IMPOSE HIS WILL ON
06:16:06PM PEOPLE OF THIS STATE AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY.
06:16:08PM BUT THAT IS CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED
06:16:11PM ON.
06:16:12PM YOU KNOW THAT.
06:16:13PM THE FOURTH AMENDMENT HAS GRADUALLY BEEN ERODED OVER THE
06:16:18PM COURSE OF THE LAST 21, 22 YEARS.
06:16:20PM AND IT IS THE OBLIGATION OF THIS COUNCIL TO BE A STOPGAP FOR
06:16:24PM THAT EROSION.
06:16:25PM MOVING BEYOND THAT, THE DE FACTO LAW OF THE LAND FOR 50
06:16:32PM YEARS THROUGH JUDICIAL PRECEDENT.
06:16:35PM AND IT WAS OVERTURNED THROUGH DUPLICITOUS MEANS.
06:16:39PM I AM SURE EVERYBODY SHOULD AGREE TO THAT UP THERE.
06:16:43PM THE LEGISLATION SIGNED INTO LAW BY THE AUTOCRAT IN
06:16:48PM TALLAHASSEE WAS DONE THROUGH ILLEGITIMATE MEANS.
06:16:51PM A GOVERNOR IN THE STATE THAT HAS GERRYMANDERED MAPS AS
06:16:55PM GERRYMANDERED AS OURS, AND A GOVERNOR WHO WON THE ELECTION
06:17:00PM BE A MERE 30,000 VOTES DO NOT REFLECT DEMOCRACY.
06:17:04PM HE IS ALSO A GOVERNOR WHO UNCONSTITUTIONALLY SUSPENDED OUR
06:17:07PM STATE ATTORNEY GIVEN HIS BEHAVIOR.
06:17:09PM AND I AM SURE YOU ALTHOUGH HOW HE ACTED DURING THE
06:17:14PM REDISTRICTING PRACTICE.
06:17:15PM HE DREW THE CONGRESSIONAL MAPS.
06:17:18PM THAT IS AN ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY.
06:17:20PM SO I AM CONFIDENT IN MY ASSESSMENT.
06:17:24PM THEREFORE, IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT THE STATE IMPOSING ITS
06:17:28PM WILL OVER THE BODY OF PRIVATE CITIZENS AND FORCING AN
06:17:31PM UNWANTED PREGNANCY IS A STAIN ON DEMOCRACY AS WELL.
06:17:35PM SO I AM ASKING YOU A IF AT THE MOCK A SEE IN THE STATE OF
06:17:47PM FLORIDA.
06:17:47PM THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE VOTED FOR TO YOU DO.
06:17:56PM PLEASE SUPPORT IN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S RESOLUTION.
06:18:00PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
06:18:02PM ANY NAME IS ABIGAIL, 33064.
06:18:07PM I CAME HERE ACTUALLY TO HEAR FOR ANOTHER ITEM NUMBER, BUT I
06:18:11PM FOUND IT IN MY HEART THAT I FELT LEAK I WANTED -- I REALLY
06:18:14PM NEEDED TO SPEAK.
06:18:15PM AS YOU CAN TELL, I AM --
06:18:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MA'AM, THERE IS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.
06:18:22PM YOU ARE SPEAKING TO THIS AND ALSO WANT TO
06:18:26PM SPEAK TO THE OTHER.
06:18:26PM >> NOT AT THIS TIME.
06:18:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU ALSO WANTING TO SPEAK TO THE OTHER.
06:18:30PM >> I BELIEVE MY HUSBAND WILL BE SPEAKING ON THAT.
06:18:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE PROCEED.
06:18:37PM >> 29 ALMOST 30 WEEKS PREGNANT AND I AM ALSO ONE OF THE
06:18:40PM PEOPLE WHO HAVE WALKED THE STREETS OF TAMPA IN PROTEST OF
06:18:44PM THE FACT THAT WHEN ROE V. WADE WAS EVEN BEING CONSIDERED AS
06:18:49PM A POSSIBLE OPTION FOR BEING TAKEN -- LIKE TAKEN OUT OF LAW,
06:18:54PM THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
06:18:56PM AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT DEEP WITHIN MY HEART, I DO BELIEVE
06:19:00PM THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT
06:19:03PM WITH THEIR BODY.
06:19:04PM AND IT WAS SCARY EVEN AS I KNEW THAT I WAS PREGNANT AND IF
06:19:09PM SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO ME, THAT HEALTH CARE WOULDN'T
06:19:12PM ALLOW ME TO -- TO BE SAFE.
06:19:15PM AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY AS -- AS ONE PERSON WHO IS NOT
06:19:19PM NECESSARILY REPRESENTED, THERE ARE MANY, MANY PEOPLE,
06:19:22PM PREGNANT WOMEN, WHO HAVE THE SAME IDEA.
06:19:24PM SO I WANT TO COME HERE TODAY TO GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT I ALSO
06:19:28PM SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S PROPOSAL.
06:19:31PM AND I THINK -- IT JUST REALLY SPOKE TO MY HEART AND I REALLY
06:19:36PM WANTED TO SAY THAT I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
06:19:39PM >> HELLO.
06:19:46PM MY NAME IS NIYA.
06:19:49PM 33572.
06:19:52PM AND I AM SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.
06:19:57PM CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION IN FAVOR OF MEDICARE FOR
06:20:01PM ALL A WHILE BACK.
06:20:03PM AND NOBODY THINKS THAT WE HAVE MEDICARE FOR ALL RIGHT NOW.
06:20:07PM BUT IT DID LIFT PEOPLE'S SPIRITS.
06:20:14PM IT MADE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER.
06:20:17PM YOU CAN PASS THIS RESOLUTION PRESENTED BY COUNCILWOMAN
06:20:22PM HURTAK TONIGHT AS A STATEMENT IN THE SAME MANNER.
06:20:26PM IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT AT THIS POINT.
06:20:30PM IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER, TO LIFT PEOPLE'S
06:20:35PM SPIRITS.
06:20:35PM YOUR NEXT STEP THEN SHOULD BE WORKING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE.
06:20:41PM AND I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
06:20:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
06:20:45PM >> HELLO, ESTEEMED GROUP OF PEOPLE.
06:20:54PM I AM A DOCTOR AND ZIP CODE 33611.
06:20:58PM AND I AM GOING TO GET CHOKED UP AS OTHERS HAVE, SO FORGIVE
06:21:02PM ME.
06:21:02PM I AM SUPPORTING COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S RESOLUTION BECAUSE I
06:21:05PM AM AN OBGYN WHO HAS TAKEN CARE OF PREGNANT PEOPLE IN TAMPA
06:21:10PM FOR THE PAST 16 YEARS.
06:21:11PM I'M HERE TO TELL YOU IF WE DO NOTHING, WOMEN IN OUR
06:21:15PM COMMUNITY ARE GOING TO DIE.
06:21:16PM I CAME HERE IN 2002 WITH MY HUSBAND FOR RESIDENCY AT TAMPA
06:21:21PM GENERAL.
06:21:21PM WE LEFT A FEW YEARS LATER FOR FURTHER TRAINING AND RETURNED
06:21:25PM IN 2010.
06:21:26PM WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE.
06:21:27PM OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH TRAINING
06:21:32PM THE NEXT GENERATION OF ABORTION PROVIDERS.
06:21:34PM I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU TWO STORIES I HOPE YOU FIND THEM
06:21:38PM MEANINGFUL.
06:21:39PM ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, AN 11-YEAR-OLD RAPE VICTIM CAME INTO MY
06:21:47PM CARE.
06:21:47PM SHE WAS 16 WEEKS PREGNANT.
06:21:50PM IT WAS A DELAYED DIAGNOSIS BECAUSE SHE WAS YOUNG AND DIDN'T
06:21:54PM REALIZE WHEN SHE MISSED HER PERIOD THAT SHE MIGHT BE
06:21:57PM PREGNANT.
06:21:57PM HER MOTHER DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HER BOYFRIEND WAS RAPING THE
06:22:02PM 11-YEAR-OLD.
06:22:02PM THIS PATIENT, AS MANY OF OUR PATIENTS ARE, DIDN'T HAVE
06:22:06PM ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE.
06:22:07PM WAS POOR.
06:22:10PM WAS A PATIENT OF COLOR.
06:22:11PM BECAUSE OF THESE BARRIERS, SHE DELIVERED A CHILD ON MOTHER'S
06:22:17PM DAY IN 2012.
06:22:19PM I HAVE CARRIED THAT WITH ME.
06:22:20PM THIS YEAR, A 33-YEAR-OLD WOMAN, 13 WEEKS PREGNANT CAME INTO
06:22:27PM OUR CARE.
06:22:29PM SHE PRESENTED SOMEWHAT TO HER MISFORTUNE TO A SMALL
06:22:34PM COMMUNITY HOSPITAL ON THE EAST COAST OF FLORIDA WITH
06:22:41PM END-STAGE RENAL DISEASE.
06:22:43PM BECAUSE OF HER CONDITION, A PREGNANCY WOULD HAVE ENDANGERED HER.
06:22:48PM THANKFULLY, 13 WEEKS AND NOT 15 WEEKS OR FURTHER AND WE WERE
06:22:52PM ABLE TO CARE FOR HER.
06:22:53PM AGAIN, AGAINST THE ODD, THIS PATIENT HAD FOUR CHILDREN SHE
06:22:56PM HAD TO CARE FOR.
06:22:57PM SHE HAD TO DRIVE ACROSS THE STATE TO GET CARE.
06:22:59PM I HAVE HELPED BRING NEW LIFE INTO THIS WORLD, AND I HAVE
06:23:03PM HELD THE HANDS OF COUNTLESS WOMEN WHO HAD TO END THEIR
06:23:06PM PREGNANCIES.
06:23:06PM WITH THE OVERTURNING OF ROE AND THE NEW FLORIDA LAWS AND
06:23:12PM 24-HOUR PERIOD AND 15-WEEK ABORTION BAN.
06:23:16PM I AM STRUGGLING.
06:23:17PM SADLY THIS MADE ME CONSIDER TO LEAVE THE STATE.
06:23:20PM I ADVISED MY OLDEST CHILD WHEN IT IS TIME TO APPLY FOR
06:23:23PM COLLEGE, I HOPE SHE CHOOSES COLLEGE IN STATES THAT
06:23:26PM PRIORITIZE WOMEN AND RESPECT THEIR AUTONOMY.
06:23:29PM SADLY I FEEL THAT FLORIDA MAY NOT BE THE STATE.
06:23:31PM I HOPE ENOUGH OF US THAT CARE ABOUT WOMEN CAN BE VOCAL AND
06:23:35PM STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.
06:23:36PM THE DECISION TO CONTINUE OR END A PREGNANCY BELONGS ONLY TO
06:23:40PM THAT PREGNANT PERSON.
06:23:41PM PLEASE BE COURAGEOUS AND SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION.
06:23:44PM THANK YOU.
06:23:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
06:23:48PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
06:23:54PM >> GREETINGS MY FELLOW CITY COUNCIL.
06:23:56PM ANDRE KING.
06:23:58PM AND MY WIFE, AMAYA.
06:24:01PM FOR THE RECORD, WE COME HERE TODAY TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL
06:24:06PM REMEDY OF PUBLIC OFFICIAL NO WILLFULLY AND GROSSLY NEGLECT
06:24:11PM THE OATH OF OFFICE, FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIRES AND FOLLOW
06:24:17PM EVERY PROTOCOL IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE REGARDING WOMEN AND
06:24:20PM MEN GOD-GIVEN RIGHT OF SELF-CONSIDERATION.
06:24:25PM AND WITHOUT INTRUSION OF CITIZENS OF FLORIDA OF THE UNITED
06:24:30PM STATES OF REPUBLIC FOR WHICH WE STAND.
06:24:32PM TO DEPRIVE A WOMAN OF HER FREE WILL TO ABORT OR KEEP A
06:24:38PM CHILD.
06:24:38PM BETTER KNOWN AS LIBERTY ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE FOUNDING
06:24:42PM FATHER'S DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE OF 1776 AND THE
06:24:46PM GOVERNMENT UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION REPUBLIC ARE
06:24:50PM ESTABLISHED FOR THE LIFE, LIBERTY AND FREE WILL AND
06:24:53PM SELF-DETERMINATION, FREE FROM CONSTRAINTS AND CONTROL AS
06:24:56PM LONG AS WE DON'T INFRINGE ON OUR NEIGHBORS' MUTUAL GOD-GIVEN
06:25:01PM RIGHTS THEREFORE BY RESTRICTING ANYONE'S RIGHT TO ABORTION
06:25:05PM OR ANY FREE WILL IS OPENING THE DOOR FOR CPS TO SNATCH EVERY
06:25:09PM CHILDREN LIKE THEY DID OURS BECAUSE TAMPA, FLORIDA LACKS A
06:25:11PM CITY ORDINANCE THAT SUPPORT CITIZENS AND NATIONALS OF TAMPA
06:25:15PM THE RIGHT OF SELF-DETERMINATION ABORTION OR RELIGIOUS BELIEF
06:25:18PM FOR WOMEN AND LEAVING CHILD PROTECTION SERVICES ON
06:25:21PM UNADDRESSED WITCH HUNT FOR MOTHERS WHO DON'T WANT THEM
06:25:25PM BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PREPARED AND PROTOCOLS SO STRICT
06:25:28PM AGAINST STATE FEDERAL LAW, INTERNATIONAL LAW, NATURE'S LAW,
06:25:32PM MOSTLY GOD'S LAW, THAT WE BECOME SO FAMILIAR WITH
06:25:36PM UNCONSTITUTIONAL PROTOCOLS THAT IT WOULD NOT KNOW THE
06:25:38PM DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARENTS SUCH AS MY WIFE AND MYSELF AND
06:25:41PM PARENTS WHO CANNOT AND WAS NOT READY TO HAVE A CHILD.
06:25:44PM IT WILL CREATE AN ENORMOUS IMPACT ON WE THE PEOPLE AS IT IS
06:25:48PM CURRENTLY DOING AND TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TOOK INDIVIDUALLY AN
06:25:52PM OATH TO SUPPORT THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION.
06:25:53PM I URGE YOU ALL TO HONOR YOUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO
06:25:58PM PROTECT ANYONE'S RIGHTS TO SELF-DETERMINATION ARE VALIDATED
06:26:01PM AND OFFER IMMEDIATE SANCTIONS OF ALL WHO VIOLATE THE
06:26:07PM PROTOCOLS.
06:26:07PM WHETHER THAT BE ABORTION OR RELIGIOUS JULES WAY OF LIFE,
06:26:10PM PLACE A BAN ON CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICE OF TAKING CHILDREN
06:26:14PM OF THE REPUBLIC FOR WITHOUT THE GENERATION THERE CANNOT BE A
06:26:17PM NATION.
06:26:17PM THERE CANNOT BE A COMMUNITY.
06:26:19PM BECAUSE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY, YOU NEED UNITY.
06:26:21PM FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF NUMEROUS E-MAILS
06:26:26PM REGARDING CPS TAKING OUR CHILDREN BASED ON OUR RELIGIOUS
06:26:29PM BELIEF.
06:26:30PM TAMPA, MISS LYNN HURTAK, YOU AND YOUR FELLOW COLLEAGUES
06:26:33PM ARE SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING.
06:26:35PM BUT WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING ABOUT THE -- THE MOTHERS, THE
06:26:39PM FATHERS, THAT CHILDREN ARE BEING TAKEN BY CPS THAT DIDN'T
06:26:44PM WANT THESE CHILDREN BUT HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CHILDREN AND
06:26:46PM THEN WHEN THEY DO FOR THE CHILDREN, AND GETS ATTACHED FROM
06:26:50PM THE CHILDREN, CPS TAKES THE CHILDREN FROM THEM AND YOU GUYS
06:26:53PM HAVE NO PROTOCOLS TO MAKE SURE THEY HONOR THEIR OBLIGATIONS
06:26:56PM AND DUTIES.
06:26:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:26:58PM ANYONE ELSE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT WISHES
06:27:07PM TO COMMENT TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1?
06:27:12PM WE WILL NOW GO TO -- I BELIEVE WE HAVE JEAN STROHMEYER ON
06:27:18PM THE LINE.
06:27:19PM >> HELLO.
06:27:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS STROHMEYER.
06:27:24PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
06:27:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
06:27:27PM >> OKAY.
06:27:27PM I AM SORRY.
06:27:28PM IT HAS BEEN A ROUGH DAY.
06:27:29PM I HAD TO BURY MY SON TODAY FROM THE FENTANYL OVERDOSE.
06:27:33PM SO Y'ALL GET THESE DRUG CLINICS OUT OF HERE.
06:27:36PM IT IS JUST NOT GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
06:27:38PM GIVE ME -- IF I GO IT WILL BE TWO SECONDS OVER.
06:27:41PM PLEASE DON'T CUT ME OFF.
06:27:43PM MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER.
06:27:47PM I AM FROM SOUTH OF GANDY AND LIVED IN TAMPA SINCE 1970.
06:27:51PM THE SOCIALIST GROUP IS TO FILL THE ROOM AND SECURE AN
06:27:55PM AGENDA.
06:27:56PM I DO NOT LIKE THAT.
06:27:57PM I WANT YOU TO DENY THE SO-CALLED GRACE ACT.
06:28:00PM FOR ONE, THE NAME IS MISLEADING TO PUT IT MILDLY, TO PUT IT
06:28:04PM TRUTHFULLY A BOLD-FACED LIE.
06:28:07PM GRACE IS A DIVINE ASSISTANCE AGAINST TO HUMANS FOR
06:28:11PM SANCTIFICATION.
06:28:12PM VIRTUE COME FROM GOD AND A STATE OF SANCTIFICATION OF DIVINE
06:28:17PM ASSISTANCE.
06:28:18PM GOD WILL NEVER ASSIST IN THE DESECRATION OF THE VERY
06:28:21PM INNOCENT LIFE HE HIMSELF CREATED.
06:28:23PM THIS RESOLUTION HAS NO BUSINESS HERE IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
06:28:26PM THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE.
06:28:28PM THE RESOLUTION IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH STATES IT HONORS THE
06:28:32PM RIGHT OF PREGNANT PEOPLE.
06:28:33PM THIS CAN ONLY MEAN PREGNANT WOMEN, NOT PEOPLE.
06:28:37PM GOOD LUCK TRYING TO HAVE A MAN GIVE BIRTH.
06:28:40PM ANOTHER PARAGRAPH IN THE RESOLUTION MENTIONS THE SUPREME
06:28:44PM COURT 1973 PREVENTED STATES FROM PREVENTING ABORTION LAWS.
06:28:48PM THIS IS TRUE.
06:28:49PM IT WAS A POLITICAL DECISION AND THE WRONG DECISION BECAUSE
06:28:52PM AS WE KNOW, LAWS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MADE BY THE LEGISLATURE,
06:28:56PM NOT BY APPOINTED JUSTICES BUT THAT BODY OF OFFICIALS THAT --
06:29:00PM BY THE DULY-ELECTED PEOPLE THAT WE, THE PEOPLE, ELECT.
06:29:03PM THAT SEPARATION WAS DESECRATED ON THAT DAY IN 1973.
06:29:07PM THE INJUSTICE AND JUDICIAL OVERREACH WAS CORRECTED RECENTLY.
06:29:13PM EACH STATE SHOULD DECIDE THROUGH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS HOW
06:29:16PM WE WANT TO GOVERN OUR OWN STATE.
06:29:19PM A LIE FROM THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION THAT ELIMINATING LEGAL
06:29:23PM ACCESS TO ABORTIONS HAS BEEN FRONT OF INCREASE THE RISK OF
06:29:26PM DEATH AMONG LOW-INCOME COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
06:29:30PM WHAT IS TRUE IS THAT MOST ABORTION CLINICS WAS STRATEGICALLY
06:29:35PM PLACED IN THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITY TO REDUCE THEIR POOP
06:29:39PM EWELATION.
06:29:39PM MARGARET SANGER WAS A RACIST TO THE CORE AND MANY OF YOU
06:29:44PM CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THOSE LIES.
06:29:45PM IT IS A LIE THAT THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION GIVES THE RIGHT TO
06:29:49PM PRIVACY.
06:29:50PM WE ALREADY HAVE THAT RIGHT KNOWN AS HIPPA LAWS.
06:29:54PM WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT OF PRIVACY WITH OUR DOCTOR.
06:29:56PM THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION STATES THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS
06:30:00PM THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT CITIZENS FROM CRIMINALIZING
06:30:05PM THEIR EXERCISE OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
06:30:06PM THAT IS JUST STUPID.
06:30:07PM IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
06:30:09PM YOU DO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR IT.
06:30:11PM GOVERNOR DeSANTIS SIGNED INTO LAW THAT ABORTION CANNOT OCCUR
06:30:16PM AFTER 15 WEEKS.
06:30:17PM PLEASE GIVE ME ANOTHER MINUTE.
06:30:19PM IT WAS 12 WEEKS AND THAT WAS MERELY IN A CLINICAL SETTING.
06:30:23PM AGAIN, GRACE IS DEFINED AS THE UNMERITED DIVINE ASSISTANCE
06:30:27PM GIVEN TO HUMANS.
06:30:28PM LASTLY SOME OF YOU CLAIM TO BE CATHOLIC.
06:30:30PM ONE OF YOU EVEN HAD THE AUDACITY TO CHASTISE ME ON CATHOLIC
06:30:36PM PRINCIPLES.
06:30:36PM YOU CANNOT BE FOR THE KILLING OF AN UNBORN BABY IN HIS OR
06:30:39PM HER MOTHER'S. WOMB AND BE CATHOLIC, IF YOU ARE CATHOLIC YOU
06:30:45PM NEED TO RECUSE THIS FOR EVERY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
06:30:48PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:30:49PM MR. DEANGLO.
06:30:58PM >> HI, I AM ANGEL DEANGELO, 33604.
06:31:03PM BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA.
06:31:05PM I WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS OF THIS RESOLUTION.
06:31:07PM I WANT TO SAY I SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION 100%, THE VERSION
06:31:12PM THAT HURTAK HAS BEEN WORKING WITH TAMPA DSA.
06:31:17PM IT IS TIME TO BE BOLD, COURAGEOUS AND TELL THE PEOPLE OF
06:31:21PM TAMPA WHAT YOU TRULY STAND FOR.
06:31:22PM THE RESOLUTION IS JUST THE FIRST STEP OF GETTING AN
06:31:25PM ORDINANCE AND WE HAVE DONE THINGS LIKE THIS BEFORE.
06:31:27PM WE DECRIMINALIZED AT A STATE LEVEL EVEN THOUGH ILLEGAL
06:31:33PM FEDERALLY.
06:31:34PM AND EVEN WITH MEDICAL CANNABIS.
06:31:37PM NO REASON WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS.
06:31:39PM IF YOU WERE AGAINST ABORTION.
06:31:41PM SAY YOU ARE AGAINST ABORTION AND WE KNOW AND MAKE DECISIONS
06:31:47PM ON ELECTION DAY IN MARCH.
06:31:48PM WE WILL DO IT ANY WAY DEPENDING ON HOW YOU VOTE FOR THIS
06:31:53PM RESOLUTION.
06:31:53PM IT IS SIMPLE.
06:31:54PM WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO HUMAN RIGHTS THAT INCLUDE TRANS
06:31:59PM PEOPLE.
06:31:59PM WHO ARE NEGLECTED FROM THE CONVERSATION.
06:32:01PM YOU CONFIRM TRANS WOMAN AND LBGTQ RIGHTS.
06:32:09PM YOU SHOULD PASS THIS RESOLUTION.
06:32:11PM NO REASON THAT YOU DON'T.
06:32:14PM I AM INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THIS TURNS OUT.
06:32:16PM ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
06:32:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
06:32:19PM ANYONE ELSELINE.
06:32:20PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:32:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
06:32:23PM IF I COULD GET THE ELMO, PLEASE.
06:32:26PM SO YOU HAVE TWO COPIES IN FRONT OF YOU.
06:32:33PM IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 2 OF BOTH OF THOSE COPIES, ONE OF THEM
06:32:37PM HAS SOME HIGHLIGHTING AT THE TOP WHICH KELLY HAS UP ON THE
06:32:45PM ELMO RIGHT NOW.
06:32:46PM THIS IS THE CITY'S VERSION.
06:32:48PM IF YOU HAVE -- AGAIN, JUST TURN TO THE SECOND PAGE OF BOTH
06:32:52PM OF THEM.
06:32:53PM THE ONE THAT HAS THE HIGHLIGHTED ACCEPT THIS MAY BE REQUIRED
06:32:56PM BY STATE OR FALL LAW.
06:32:58PM THIS IS THE CITY'S VERSION.
06:33:00PM AND THIS PHRASE WAS ADDED.
06:33:04PM SO I AM GOING TO SAY -- I AM GOING TO READ THE ENTIRE
06:33:07PM SECTION TO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE SAYING, THAT IT
06:33:09PM IS THE INTENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO
06:33:12PM NOT APPROVE THE APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FOR ANY ACTION OR
06:33:17PM ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD ABROGATE OR CRIMINALIZE THE RIGHTS OF
06:33:23PM ITS RESIDENTS TO MAKE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CONDITIONS
06:33:27PM INCLUDING ABORTION CARE FOR THEMSELVES.
06:33:28PM AND THIS IS WHAT WAS ADDED BY THE ATTORNEYS.
06:33:31PM EXCEPT AS MAY BE REQUIRED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW, WHICH, IN
06:33:36PM MY OPINION, BASICALLY NEGATES THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS.
06:33:39PM FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN CONFRONTED WITH STATE
06:33:42PM LEGISLATURES PASSING LAWS INCONSISTENT WITH THE FEDERAL OR
06:33:46PM STATE LAW OF THE LAND.
06:33:47PM MISSISSIPPI'S ABORTION BAN THAT WAS UPHELD BY THE DOBBS
06:33:54PM DECISION WAS IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW UNTIL THE U.S.
06:33:58PM SUPREME COURT REINTERPRETED THAT LAW.
06:34:02PM IN THIS VERY STATE, TALLAHASSEE HAS PASSED DOZENS OF LAWS
06:34:06PM THAT THE COURT HAS FOUND UNCONSTITUTIONAL FROM SCHOOL
06:34:09PM VOUCHERS TO VOTER SUPPRESSION ACT TO THE COMPANY STATUTE, TO
06:34:15PM PARENTAL CONSENT AND TODAY'S WOKE ACT THAT WAS PA,LY
06:34:21PM OVERTURNED.
06:34:21PM FLORIDA HAVE DECLARED LAWS THAT WERE CONSIDERED
06:34:24PM UNCONSTITUTIONAL UNTIL YEARS WHEN THEY FOUND A FRIENDLY
06:34:29PM COURT, CHAPTER 256 BANNING THE BURNING OF THE CONFEDERATE
06:34:34PM FLAG A LAW UNCONSTITUTIONAL SINCE 1989 OPINION MULTIPLE
06:34:38PM MEMBERS OF THE CURRENT U.S. SUPREME COURT HAVE SUGGESTED
06:34:40PM THAT THE RIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY GUARANTEED BY THE OVERTURNING
06:34:45PM OF FLORIDA LAW OF GIDEON VERSUS WAINWRIGHT IS NEXT.
06:34:48PM TALLAHASSEE HAS REPEATEDLY CHIPPED AWAY AT OUR MUNICIPAL
06:34:54PM AUTONOMY AND HOME RULE.
06:34:55PM TWEK NOT SURRENDER OUR RIGHTS ANY FURTHER ON THE TOPIC AT
06:35:00PM HAND, GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE OF BY TAMPA RESIDENTS AND
06:35:04PM THOSE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, MOST RECENTLY IN KANSAS MADE CLEAR
06:35:07PM THEY OPPOSE.
06:35:08PM THESE DECADES OF ASI METRIC LEGISLATING MUST ENDS.
06:35:13PM IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER TWO DOCUMENTS, KELLY, IF YOU CAN --
06:35:19PM ACTUALLY IF YOU CAN FLIP TO MY RESOLUTION.
06:35:23PM -- ACTUALLY PULL IT DOWN.
06:35:27PM MY RESOLUTION THE STAR PORTION IS WHERE THAT HIGHLIGHTED
06:35:33PM PORTION IS JUST TAKEN OUT.
06:35:35PM IT IS ALL THIS IS DIFFERENT.
06:35:36PM IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN, IN THE CITY'S VERSION, IF YOU CAN --
06:35:41PM SORRY, FLIP-FLOP THE CITY'S VERSION REAL QUICK.
06:35:44PM YOU SEE THERE ARE STARS WITH NUMBER 2 AND NUMBER 3 AT THE
06:35:51PM BOTTOM OF THE CITY'S VERSION.
06:35:53PM THAT IS BECAUSE THEY TOOK THESE PORTIONS OUT.
06:35:55PM SO SHE IS GOING TO SHOW IN MY RESOLUTION THE PORTIONS THAT
06:36:00PM WERE TAKEN OUT BY THE CITY ATTORNEYS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
06:36:03PM LEAVE IN.
06:36:04PM >> NUMBER 2.
06:36:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, NUMBER 2, SAYS BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED
06:36:12PM THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL NOT APPROVE
06:36:15PM THE APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS OF ANY ORGANIZATION OR ENTITY
06:36:18PM OPERATING A PREGNANCY CENTER OR PREGNANCY RESOURCE CENTER
06:36:21PM WITH THE EXPLICIT PURPOSE OF LEGAL ABORTION AND DISSUADING
06:36:27PM PEOPLE FROM SEEKING ABORTION SERVICES.
06:36:29PM IF YOU TURN THEN TO PAGE 3, WHICH HAS NUMBER 3, AND THIS IS
06:36:33PM -- THIS IS THE ONE THAT MAYOR CASTOR SO THANKFULLY SPOKE TO,
06:36:39PM THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA'S APPROVED
06:36:41PM APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS WILL REFLECT THAT THE INVESTIGATION
06:36:45PM OR SUPPORT FOR THE PROSECUTION OF ANY ALLEGATION, CHARGE OR
06:36:50PM INFORMATION RELATING TO ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO SEEKS, PROVIDES
06:36:54PM OR SUPPORTS ABORTION AND ABORTION-RELATED CARE WILL BE THE
06:36:58PM LOWEST PRIORITY FOR ENFORCEMENT AND THE USE OF CITY
06:37:02PM RESOURCES AND PERSONNEL.
06:37:04PM THIS IS THE ONE THAT MAYOR CASTOR SPOKE TO YESTERDAY.
06:37:08PM NOW IN REGARDS TO THIS, TO RESTRICTS THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS
06:37:13PM RESOLUTION TO THOSE DICTATED BY THE STATE MAKES US ONCE
06:37:16PM AGAIN FOLLOWERS.
06:37:18PM IN THE INTEREST OF SHOWING LEADERSHIP, IT IS OUR
06:37:21PM RESPONSIBILITY TO LEAD.
06:37:22PM WE WILL FURTHERMORE NOT BE COMPELLED TO SQUANDER TAXPAYER
06:37:26PM DOLLARS ON SO-CALLED SERVICES THAT OBSCURE THEIR TRUE
06:37:30PM MISSION AND AIM TO DECEIVE THOSE SEEKING MEDICAL CARE
06:37:33PM PROTECTED BY THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION.
06:37:35PM NOR WILL WE BE COERCED OUT OF ELECTING HOW NOT TO SPEND
06:37:40PM TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
06:37:42PM THE FEAR OF INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION IN OTHER STATE
06:37:44PM HAVE ALREADY LED DOCTORS TO AVOID PROVIDING LIFE-SAVING CARE
06:37:48PM AND PUTS WOMEN AT RISK OF DYING.
06:37:50PM ON TUESDAY, A SOUTH CAROLINA LAWMAKER FOUGHT BACK TEARS AS
06:37:54PM HE EXPLAINED AN ANTI-ABORTION LAW HE VOTED FOR LED TO A
06:37:59PM 19-YEAR-OLD WOMEN FACING A GREATER THAN 50% CHANCE OF LOSING
06:38:03PM HER UTERUS AND A 10% CHANCE OF DEVELOPING SEPSIS AND DYING.
06:38:07PM LAWYERS ADVISED DOCTORS THAT THEY COULD NOT REMOVE THE FETUS
06:38:12PM DESPITE THE WOMEN'S WATER HAVING BROKEN AFTER 15 WEEKS.
06:38:15PM THE PATIENT WAS DISCHARGED FROM THE HOSPITAL AND TOLD TO
06:38:19PM DEAL WITH THE MISCARRIAGE ON HER OWN.
06:38:22PM ON JULY 29, DR. MUNOS, A TEXAS OBGYN COULD NOT PROVIDE AN
06:38:31PM ABORTION IN THE MIDST OF A MISCARRIAGE.
06:38:36PM AND HEARTBEAT WOULD NOT STOP AND WAITED FOR MULTIPLE LITERS
06:38:40PM OF BLOOD TO TERMINATE AND SHE DEVELOPED MAJOR COMPLICATIONS
06:38:44PM THAT REQUIRED SURGERY AND PLACED ON A BREATHING MACHINE.
06:38:47PM ANOTHER TEXAS PATIENTS UNDERGOING A MISCARRIAGE COULD NOT
06:38:53PM TERMINAL UNTIL SHE WAS BLEEDING OUT.
06:38:54PM 28 OTHER TEXAS PATIENTS EXPERIENCING A FAILED PREGNANCY WERE
06:38:58PM DENIED AN APPORTION.
06:38:59PM A MAJORITY OF WHOM THEN HAD A SERIOUS INFECTIONS AND
06:39:03PM BLEEDING.
06:39:03PM A STUDY PUBLISHED LAST MONTH IN THE AMERICAN
06:39:08PM JOURNAL OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY AFTER TEXAS IMPLEMENTED
06:39:11PM ITS ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, THE NUMBER OF WOMEN SUFFERING
06:39:15PM SERIOUS COMPLICATION OF BLEEDING AND INFECTIONS AFTER
06:39:18PM MISCARRIAGES WAS 73% HIGHER THAN OTHER STATES.
06:39:21PM THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE ESTIMATE THAT 26% OF
06:39:27PM PREGNANCY END IN MISCARRIAGE.
06:39:28PM 26%.
06:39:29PM MORE THAN 200,000 FLORIDA PEOPLE GET PREGNANT EVERY YEAR.
06:39:34PM WE ARE OBLIGATED TO ELIMINATE THIS AMBIGUITY WITH A STRONG
06:39:39PM COMMIT THAT MEDICAL PROFESSION ALLEGES WILL NOT BE
06:39:42PM INVESTIGATED OR PROSECUTED IN THIS CITY FOR PROVIDING
06:39:45PM MEDICAL CARE.
06:39:45PM AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE TODAY FOR THE TESTIMONY THEY
06:39:48PM SHARED.
06:39:49PM THE GRAVITY NEVER CEASES TO -- KEEPS RESET LING WITH ME.
06:39:57PM AND I JUST WANT TO SAY YOUR STORIES TODAY JUST REMINDED ME
06:40:01PM OF THE FACT THAT I AM SO MUCH LESS SAFE THAN ANY OF MY
06:40:06PM FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS.
06:40:07PM I CAN GO OUT TONIGHT.
06:40:09PM I CAN BE RAPED.
06:40:11PM I CAN BE FORCED TO CARRY A CHILD AGAINST MY WILL.
06:40:15PM THERE -- I COULD BE PREGNANT AND NOT BE ABLE TO PROTECT
06:40:18PM MYSELF.
06:40:19PM AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I, ALONE, AND EVERY PERSON WHO CAN
06:40:23PM CARRY A PREGNANCY IN THIS STATE HAS TO DEAL WITH AND THE
06:40:27PM FEAR, THE ABSOLUTE FEAR.
06:40:30PM I BELIEVE THAT THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS TO PASS THIS
06:40:33PM RESOLUTION SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO FOCUS OUR FUNDS
06:40:37PM AND OUR -- JUST ANY -- WE ARE MAKE THIS A LOW PRIORITY FOR
06:40:44PM ENFORCEMENT AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE LEAST WE CAN DO.
06:40:47PM THANK YOU.
06:40:48PM [APPLAUSE]
06:40:52PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
06:40:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:41:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE GET LEGAL TO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON
06:41:06PM THE THREE THINGS SHE SAID BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT.
06:41:09PM >> IN A GENERAL SENSE.
06:41:25PM AND THIS IS CONTAINED IN MY MEMORANDUM OF LAW THAT I FILED
06:41:29PM WITH COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
06:41:31PM BUT -- AND I THINK IT IS OBVIOUS -- TO STATE THE OBVIOUS,
06:41:41PM THE LAW IN THIS AREA, THE AREA OF ABORTION IT IN FLUX, OKAY.
06:41:46PM IT CHANGES ON A ALMOST DAILY OR WEEKLY BASIS.
06:41:50PM THIS IS A DIFFICULT TASK TO TRY TO PREDICT WHAT THE LAW WILL
06:41:54PM BE.
06:41:55PM THE STATE OF FLORIDA OR EVEN FEDERALLY IN THE FUTURE.
06:41:58PM SO CURRENTLY, WHAT THE STATE OF LAW IS IN FLORIDA IS HB 5,
06:42:08PM THE 15-WEEK ABORTION BAN, WAS PASSED AND SIGNED -- I BELIEVE
06:42:12PM IT WAS APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
06:42:13PM THAT IS BEING CHALLENGED IN COURTS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
06:42:16PM IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL.
06:42:21PM SO PART OF THE BASIS OF THAT CHALLENGE IS THAT UNDER THE
06:42:25PM FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, THERE IS A RIGHT TO PRIVACY THAT WAS
06:42:28PM WRITTEN INTO THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION AND I THINK PROBABLY
06:42:31PM BOTH RESOLUTIONS THAT CASE FROM 1989 IS REFERENCED.
06:42:34PM SO IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THERE IS A RIGHT TO PRIVACY IN
06:42:38PM THE STATE CONSTITUTION AND HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED BY A
06:42:41PM COURT WHETHER THAT WILL PROTECT THE RIGHT TO ABORTION HERE
06:42:44PM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN LIGHT OF THE 15-WEEK LAW.
06:42:48PM I DON'T KNOW -- WE DON'T KNOW -- AND ALSO THE ABORTION LAWS
06:42:53PM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE CURRENT
06:42:56PM ABORTION LAW IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
06:42:57PM WHAT THE DOBBS DECISION DID WAS SAY THAT THE ISSUE OF
06:43:02PM ABORTION HAS NOW BEEN SENT BACK TO THE STATES.
06:43:05PM SO THEORETICALLY, ALL 50 STATES COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT LAW
06:43:09PM ON ABORTION.
06:43:10PM SO THAT IS PARTIALLY THE REASON WHY IN EXAMINING THE GRACE
06:43:14PM ACT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, I HAD TO LOOK AT WHAT THE
06:43:19PM TEXAS LAW WAS AND WHAT THE CURRENT STATE OF FLORIDA LAW IS
06:43:22PM REGARDING ABORTION.
06:43:23PM LAYER THAT ON TOP OF WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S ROLE IS IN THE
06:43:29PM STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT AND THE SEPARATION OF POWERS.
06:43:31PM OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL OF TAMPA
06:43:34PM AND THE STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT IN OUR CITY CHARTER IS
06:43:37PM DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY CHARTER OF
06:43:40PM AUSTIN AND PROBABLY HUNDREDS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF
06:43:44PM OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
06:43:45PM THAT IS SORT OF A BASIC BACKGROUND.
06:43:47PM REGARDING THE SPECIFIC SECTIONS, THAT IS EXPLICITLY WHY MY
06:43:53PM LEGAL OPINION TO ADD IN LIMITING LANGUAGE TO THE RESOLUTION.
06:43:56PM MY GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS RESOLUTION AS EXPANSIVE AS
06:44:02PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WOULD LIKE BECAUSE IT IS A POLICY
06:44:04PM STATEMENT, JUST LIKE THE ONE IN TEXAS.
06:44:06PM SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS REGARDING THE POLICY
06:44:12PM REGARDING THE RIGHTS OF PREGNANT PEOPLE AND REPRODUCTIVE
06:44:15PM RIGHTS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN TAMPA.
06:44:16PM THESE SPECIFICS -- SPECIFIC SECTIONS, THE REASON WHY WE PUT
06:44:21PM EXCEPT AS BE REQUIRED BY STATE AND FEDERAL LAW IS THAT
06:44:25PM CURRENT STATE LAW COULD CONFLICT AND DOES CONFLICTS WITH
06:44:28PM SOME OF THE SPECIFICS THAT ARE WRITTEN INTO THIS RESOLUTION.
06:44:31PM SO IN ORDER TO PROTECT COUNCIL AND PROTECT THIS RESOLUTION,
06:44:36PM WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE LEGALLY THAT THE AREA OF ABORTION HAS
06:44:39PM BEEN REGULATED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
06:44:42PM AND IT CAN BE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW, AND THAT'S A FACT THAT
06:44:47PM WE ARE LIVING UNDER IN THE STATE OF THE LAW TODAY AND IN
06:44:50PM FLORIDA.
06:44:50PM SO THAT'S WHY THAT LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY WAS ADDED BY ME TO
06:44:57PM MAKE SECTION 2 IN MY LEGAL OPINION ACCEPTABLE FOR THIS
06:45:02PM COUNCIL TO PASS AS A RESOLUTION.
06:45:04PM THE OTHER TWO SECTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN OUT, I THINK, THE
06:45:09PM FIRST ONE TALKING ABOUT THE APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS
06:45:12PM SPECIFICALLY TO A CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER.
06:45:14PM NO MENTION OF THE PREGNANCY CRISIS CENTER IN THE GRACE ACT
06:45:18PM IN AUSTIN.
06:45:19PM THAT WAS ADDED LANGUAGE.
06:45:20PM THE CURRENT -- THE TAX STRUCTURE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
06:45:23PM THE CITY OF TAMPA, COUNCIL DOES NOT FUND SOCIAL SERVICES OR
06:45:27PM HEALTH CENTERS.
06:45:28PM SO TO SAY THAT COUNCIL WOULD NOT FUND A HEALTH CENTER OR
06:45:34PM SOCIAL SERVICES CENTER DEFINED AS A CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER
06:45:37PM ESSENTIALLY DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE COUNCIL DOESN'T
06:45:40PM CURRENTLY DO THAT.
06:45:42PM DOESN'T DO THAT UNDER THE STRUCTURE AND UNDER OUR STRUCTURE
06:45:46PM OF CHARTER GOVERNMENT.
06:45:47PM I THINK THE LAST SECTION THAT WAS NOT ADOPTED BY THE CITY
06:45:51PM WAS THE SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL --
06:45:58PM APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS WILL REFLECT THAT INVESTIGATION OR
06:46:01PM SUPPORT OF THE PROSECUTION OF ANY ALLEGATION, CHARGE OR
06:46:04PM INFORMATION RELATING TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO SPEAKS OR PROVIDES
06:46:09PM SUPPORT FOR ADORATION OR ABORTION RELATED CARE.
06:46:11PM THE INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION, AGAIN, ARE NOT THINGS
06:46:15PM THAT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
06:46:18PM CITY.TAMPA.
06:46:19PM THOSE ARE THINGS WITHIN THE PURSUE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA,
06:46:22PM STATE AGENCIES, AND OTHER EXECUTIVE AGENCIES WITHIN THE CITY
06:46:26PM OF TAMPA.
06:46:26PM SO STRICTLY FROM A LEGAL BASIS, READING EACH AND EVERY
06:46:31PM PROPOSED SENTENCE, WHAT I FELT AS MY DUTY AS YOUR COUNSEL TO
06:46:38PM ADVISE YOU AS TO WHAT COULD BE ARGUED TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE
06:46:42PM SCOPE OF CITY COUNCIL'S POWER AND, THEREFORE, NOT IN MY MEM
06:46:47PM RATION NECESSARY FOR THIS RESOLUTION, WHILE STILL INCLUDING
06:46:53PM ALL OF THE LANGUAGES THAT EXPRESSES VERY STRONGLY THE RIGHT
06:46:55PM TO REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM AND PRIVACY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:47:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
06:47:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF I CAN ASK YOU SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT
06:47:08PM EACH ONE.
06:47:09PM STARTING WITH NUMBER 3, TELL ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT MY
06:47:13PM INTERPRETATION OF THIS SAYS THAT WE WOULD -- WE WOULD MAKE
06:47:17PM THE -- IN EFFECT, THE ENFORCEMENT OF ANY STATE OR FEDERAL
06:47:21PM LAWS REGARDING THIS, WE WOULD MAKE IT LOWEST FUNDING
06:47:25PM PRIORITY.
06:47:26PM RIGHT?
06:47:26PM IT JUST SAYS WE WILL MAKE IT THE LOWEST FUNDING PRIORITY.
06:47:30PM BY SAYING "THE LOWEST" WE ARE NOT SAYING WE WOULDN'T DO IT.
06:47:33PM SO WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT TELLING THE LEGISLATURE OR
06:47:37PM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NO, WE ARE JUST SAYING -- WE HAVE TO
06:47:40PM PRIORITIZE THE MAY -- THE MAYOR OVERSEES THE POLICE AND THEY
06:47:45PM ARE MAKING DECISIONS EVERY DAY WHAT TO PRIORITIZE IN TERMS
06:47:48PM OF ENFORCEMENT.
06:47:49PM AM I READING THAT WRONG OR IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS.
06:47:52PM WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FIGURE WHERE THE PRIORITIES ARE FOR THE
06:47:55PM ENFORCEMENT IN OUR CITY?
06:47:57PM IF THEY ARE -- IF THEY ARE -- THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF STATE
06:48:01PM LAWS AND CAN'T POSSIBLY ENFORCE ALL OF THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY,
06:48:04PM DO WE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO, FOR
06:48:07PM EXAMPLE, ENFORCE HOMICIDES FIRST AND SMALLER CRIMES LATER?
06:48:15PM >> I THINK AS A POLICY STATEMENT, COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY MAKE
06:48:19PM A STATEMENT THAT CERTAIN CRIMES SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR
06:48:25PM HIGHER ENFORCEMENT, BUT WHAT COUNCIL CAN'T SAY IS THAT
06:48:28PM SPECIFIC CRIMES WILL BE EXCLUDED FROM ENFORCEMENT OR WILL BE
06:48:33PM EXCLUDED FROM PROSECUTION OR WILL BE EXCLUDED FROM FUNDING.
06:48:37PM I DON'T THINK --
06:48:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS SAYS LOWEST PRIORITY.
06:48:43PM DOESN'T SAY EXCLUDED IT.
06:48:45PM >> RIGHT.
06:48:45PM BUT IT CAN BE INTERPRETED TO BE DICTATING WHAT LAW
06:48:52PM ENFORCEMENT PRIORITIES CAN AND SHOULD BE IN A WAY -- A MOW
06:48:55PM SPECIFIC WAY THAN A BUDGETARY ALLOCATION.
06:48:58PM WE HAVE THE POWER TO ELEVATE FOR THE BUDGET.
06:49:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM NOT A LAWYER, BUT A WAY TO KEEP THAT
06:49:05PM AND ADD ANOTHER WORD OR SOMETHING.
06:49:07PM NUMBER TWO, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS BENIGN.
06:49:12PM IF WE CAN'T FUND THEM ANYWAY, WHY -- WHY IS IT BAD TO SAY WE
06:49:18PM ARE NOT GOING TO FUND THEM IF WE CAN'T DO IT ANYWAY?
06:49:21PM >> MY OPINION IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ACCURATE.
06:49:25PM AND CLEAR.
06:49:27PM AND I JUST -- IT IS JUST NOT ADVISABLE TO SAY YOU ARE NOT
06:49:32PM GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU FRANKLY DON'T HAVE THE
06:49:35PM ABILITY TO DO ANYWAY
06:49:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS IT LIKE -- AND STOP ME IF YOU CAN'T TALK
06:49:39PM ABOUT THIS PUBLICLY, IS THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT TEST IT BY
06:49:43PM CALLING THEIR ORGANIZATION A CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER AND TRY
06:49:46PM TO GET FUNDING AND WE REJECT THEM AND THEY SUE US OR
06:49:50PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
06:49:51PM >> THERE ARE CERTAINLY MANY, MANY POSSIBLE PERMUTATIONS OF
06:49:56PM THINGS THAT COULD RESULT FROM THIS LANGUAGE.
06:50:02PM I MEAN, JUST LIKE I SAID, THIS AREA OF THE LAWYER IS IN
06:50:05PM FLUX.
06:50:05PM OBVIOUSLY IT IS A -- A HOTLY CONTESTED AREA OF THE LAW.
06:50:09PM SO ANYTHING THAT GOES UP TO THE LINE AND POTENTIALLY OVER
06:50:15PM WHAT COUNCIL CAN SAFELY DO IS SOMETHING THAT, AS YOUR -- AS
06:50:19PM YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL, I WOULD ADVISE YOU AGAINST.
06:50:21PM AGAIN, THESE ARE THE THREE VERY SPECIFIC THINGS OUT OF 20
06:50:25PM PARAGRAPHS THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
06:50:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND YOU -- I WANT TO ASK SOMETHING ABOUT
06:50:30PM NUMBER ONE.
06:50:31PM BUT NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE, GAUGE BETWEEN ZERO RISK AND
06:50:35PM TEN IS THE MAXIMUM RISK, CAN YOU ASSIGN ANY NUMBER WHAT IS
06:50:39PM THE THREAT ON NUMBER TWO OR THREE.
06:50:41PM >> AS I SAID EARLIER, COUNCILMAN, IT CHANGES ON A DAILY
06:50:45PM BASIS.
06:50:45PM THESE ARE THINGS THAT COURTS INTERPRET -- DIFFERENT COURTS
06:50:50PM INTERPRET THINGS DIFFERENTLY AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
06:50:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE I MADE THE ARGUMENT IN THE BEGINNING
06:50:55PM IN IS RESOLUTION, NOT AN ORDINANCE AND WE ARE NOT REALLY
06:50:59PM DOING ANYTHING.
06:50:59PM WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE TO PRIORITIZE ANOTHER TEAM.
06:51:02PM SINCE IT IS A RESOLUTION AND NOT AN ORDINANCE, DOES THAT
06:51:06PM PROTECT US LEGALLY.
06:51:07PM >> I DON'T THINK SO.
06:51:09PM I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
06:51:12PM IT IS MY OPINION THAT IT COULD BE CHALLENGED AS OVERSTEPPING
06:51:16PM THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL AS VIOLATING NOT ONLY THE
06:51:19PM CITY CHARTER BUT STATE LAW AND ESSENTIALLY GOING INTO AN
06:51:23PM AREA THAT HAS BEEN PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW.
06:51:27PM HOW -- IF THAT WILL RESULT IN LITIGATION OR NOT, I CANNOT
06:51:31PM PUT A PERCENTAGE ON TO THAT BUT CERTAINLY A HIGH ENOUGH
06:51:35PM PERCENTAGE IT CAUSES ME CONCERN AND I FEEL IT IS NOT
06:51:37PM NECESSARY TO TAKE THAT RISK AND STILL MAKE THE POLICY
06:51:40PM STATEMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL INTENDS TO MAKE.
06:51:43PM IT IS NOT WORTH IT.
06:51:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: LAST QUESTION ON NUMBER ONE.
06:51:47PM SEEMS TO ME THE QUALIFIER EXCEPT AS REQUIRED BY STATE AND
06:51:51PM FEDERAL LAW.
06:51:51PM ONLY MODIFIES THOSE THREE POINTS BELOW IT, CORRECTS.
06:51:55PM DOES NOT APPLY TO THE ENTIRE RESOLUTION.
06:51:58PM IF SO, ARE THERE STATE LAWS THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT
06:52:02PM WORKING AGAINST ON ANY OF THOSE THREE SPECIFICALLY?
06:52:06PM >> THOSE THREE SPECIFIC ITEMS --
06:52:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: DOES IT ONLY APPLY -- DOES THAT QUALIFIER
06:52:12PM ONLY APPLY TO ALL THREE OR THE WHOLE RESOLUTION?
06:52:15PM >> I THINK THAT -- GIVE ME A SECOND BECAUSE I AM READING TWO
06:52:18PM DIFFERENT ONES AT THE SAME TIME.
06:52:19PM TO ANSWER YOUR SECOND QUESTION FIRST, THE THREE SUB
06:52:23PM CATEGORIES ON THAT AREA, THOSE WERE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM
06:52:29PM AUSTIN'S GRACE ACT.
06:52:32PM AND THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE LAW IN TEXAS THAT WE DON'T
06:52:35PM HAVE IN THERE ESSENTIALLY CREATING A CIVIL CAUSE OF ACTION
06:52:39PM FOR ONE PRIVATE CITIZEN TO SUE ANOTHER PERSON FOR SEEKING
06:52:43PM ABORTION CARE, PROVIDING ABORTION CARE OR EVEN AIDING AND
06:52:47PM ABETTING AN ABORTION.
06:52:49PM THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT IS IN FLORIDA
06:52:54PM LAW CURRENTLY.
06:52:55PM THE SECTION ONE, PRIOR TO SECTION TWO, IS REALLY A MUCH
06:53:03PM BROADER STATEMENT OF INTENT WHERE IT SAYS, THE CITY COUNCIL
06:53:06PM OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FORMALLY CONDEMNS ANY ACTION INTENDED
06:53:12PM TO ABROGATE THE LIBERTIES OF PEOPLE AND PROTECTING THE
06:53:16PM RIGHTS OF ITS RESIDENTS TO MAKE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH
06:53:21PM DECISIONS INCLUDING ABORTION CARE FOR THEMSELVES.
06:53:23PM THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO BROADLY STATE THAT THE CITY OF
06:53:27PM TAMPA WANTS TO PROTECT REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH DECISIONS OF
06:53:30PM EVERYONE LIVING IN TAMPA AND CONDEMNS ANY ACTION INTENDED TO
06:53:34PM ABROGATE WHICH MEANS TO TAKE AWAY THE FUNDAMENTAL LIBERTIES
06:53:38PM OF PEOPLE.
06:53:38PM THAT IS INTENDED TO BE MORE GENERAL THAN SPECIFICS.
06:53:41PM YOU GET INTO SPECIFICS, SECTION TWO, THOSE SPECIFICS DON'T
06:53:45PM EXIST IN FLORIDA LAW.
06:53:46PM DOES THAT CLAUSE EXCEPT AS MAYBE REQUIRED BY STATES AND
06:53:50PM FEDERAL LAW, I THINK IT COULD BE APPLY TO THE BEGINNING OF
06:53:53PM SECTION TWO AND THE END OF SECTION TWO, BUT BASICALLY
06:53:57PM INTENDED TO COVER IF STATE LAW OR FEDERAL LAW CONFLICTS WITH
06:54:00PM THIS RESOLUTION TO THEN MAKE THIS RESOLUTION STILL LAWFUL AS
06:54:04PM OPPOSED TO MAKING IT UNLAWFUL.
06:54:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE REST OF IT, ONLY
06:54:10PM SECTION TWO.
06:54:10PM >> SECTION TWO, YES, SIR.
06:54:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
06:54:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT IS A RESOLUTION.
06:54:17PM WE MADE PLENTY OF RESOLUTIONS.
06:54:20PM I LISTEN TO THE AUDIENCE, AND THE LADY SAID THE MEDICAID
06:54:24PM RESOLUTION.
06:54:24PM WELL, WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE MEDICAID FOR ALL.
06:54:32PM WE KNOW THAT -- BUT WE PASSED A RESOLUTION.
06:54:35PM AND TO ME IT IS JUST -- THIS IS SYMBOLIC.
06:54:41PM WHEN TALLAHASSEE WANTS TO PREEMPT SOMETHING, THEY DO IT AND
06:54:46PM WE CHANGE THE RULES.
06:54:47PM ARE WE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT MISS NEWCOMB.
06:54:52PM WHEN TALLAHASSEE WANTS TO CHANGE A HOME RULE, THEY JUST
06:54:57PM CHANGE IT AND WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
06:55:00PM >> WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS, YES.
06:55:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN A RESOLUTION SAYING SYMBOLICALLY WHAT
06:55:07PM WE BELIEVE AND THINK.
06:55:07PM IF TALLAHASSEE CAME UP WITH RULES OF LEGISLATION WE WOULD
06:55:10PM HAVE TO ABIDE BY THOSE, CORRECT?
06:55:13PM >> YES.
06:55:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE WELLNESS CENTERS,
06:55:18PM CORRECT?
06:55:18PM THE CITY HAS WELLNESS CENTERS.
06:55:20PM >> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE FUNDED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:55:23PM >> YES.
06:55:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE WELLNESS CENTERS AND I AM QUITE
06:55:28PM SURE WE HAVE A HEAVILY POPULATION OF WOMEN WHO WORK FOR THE
06:55:32PM CITY OF TAMPA THAT GO TO WELLNESS CENTERS.
06:55:35PM THEY GO TO WELLNESS CENTERS.
06:55:36PM MY ARGUMENT WILL BE IF THE DOCTORS ARE SAYING SOMETHING
06:55:39PM WRONG AND NEED TO REFER THEM TO -- GIVE A REFERRAL TO
06:55:42PM GYNECOLOGIST OR WHATEVER OR WOMEN'S CARE, I CAN SEE THE
06:55:48PM POINT WHY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS ASKING FOR THAT TO BE
06:55:51PM THERE, BECAUSE WE ARE FUNDING -- WE ARE PAYING FOR SERVICE.
06:55:54PM SO I -- I CAN SEE THE POINT WHY SHE IS HIGHLIGHTED NUMBER
06:56:01PM TWO.
06:56:01PM SO THERE IS A LOT OF ARGUMENTS HERE I CAN -- I CAN SEE, BUT
06:56:07PM TO ME, I LOOK AT A LOT OF RESOLUTIONS I VOTED FOR THAT WE
06:56:13PM DON'T STILL TRULY DON'T FOLLOW.
06:56:15PM AND TO ME, IN MY OPINION, IT IS A RESOLUTION SAYING HOW THIS
06:56:23PM COUNCIL MAY FEEL -- HOW WE FEEL THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS
06:56:26PM HELPING FOR OUR SERVICE AND HELP AND GETTING A WORD OUT
06:56:29PM ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
06:56:29PM SO FOR ME, NUMBER TWO -- WHEN I LOOK AT WELLNESS, YOU TALK
06:56:37PM OF A -- WELLNESS, CRISIS OR RESOURCE CENTER.
06:56:42PM WHEN MY DOCTOR IS NOT AVAILABLE, I HAVE GONE TO OUR WELLNESS
06:56:46PM CENTER ON DALE MABRY FOR SERVICES.
06:56:48PM SO I CAN SEE THE POINT THAT SHE IS MAKING ON THAT.
06:56:53PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:56:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
06:56:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:57:00PM I FIND IT SO UNAMERICAN TO DICTATE WHAT SOMEONE CAN AND
06:57:04PM CANNOT DO WITH THEIR BODY OR HEALTH CARE CAN AND CANNOT
06:57:08PM PERFORM A CERTAIN SERVICE.
06:57:09PM ESPECIALLY A DOCTOR WHO TAKES AN OATH THAT WILL TREAT
06:57:13PM ANYBODY.
06:57:14PM I BELIEVE IN LIMITED GOVERNMENT, PERSONAL FREEDOM.
06:57:20PM THIS IS JUST A GROSS OVERREACH WHEN YOU ARE TELLING SOMEBODY
06:57:24PM THAT THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR BODY.
06:57:26PM IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
06:57:28PM A QUOTE BY SOMEONE, IF IT IS NOT BREAKING MY LEG OR PICKING
06:57:31PM MY POCKET.
06:57:32PM AN OLD QUOTE.
06:57:34PM BUT NONE MUCH MY BUSINESS AND SHOULDN'T BE ANYBODY'S
06:57:38PM BUSINESS HOW SOMEBODY DOES OR HOW SOMEBODY TAKES CARE OF
06:57:41PM THEMSELVES OR THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER THEY GO SEE FOR
06:57:44PM WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.
06:57:45PM IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
06:57:47PM I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE FROM FRIENDS IN COLLEGE.
06:57:49PM ONE WHO GOT AN ABORTION AND SHE SAID, I KNOW HOW -- I KNOW
06:57:53PM YOU ARE GOING TO JUDGE ME.
06:57:54PM I KNOW YOU ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE.
06:57:55PM I SAID IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR BODY.
06:57:59PM I AM JUST GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE OKAY.
06:58:01PM YOU TOOK WHATEVER PRECAUTIONS OF THE DECISIONS YOU MADE.
06:58:04PM HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED SEVERAL
06:58:12PM QUESTIONS THAT I HAD REGARDING CITY COUNCIL OR CITY OF TAMPA
06:58:16PM NOT APPROVE APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS TO SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS
06:58:20PM HERE.
06:58:20PM I DON'T THINK THAT WE DO.
06:58:22PM AND I THINK YOU CLARIFIED THAT.
06:58:24PM AND SECTION THREE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMENTS OF OUR MAYOR
06:58:28PM AND THE MAYOR IS THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OF THIS
06:58:32PM CITY AND FORMER POLICE CHIEF, WHO PUBLICLY SAID, AND IT HAS
06:58:37PM BEEN CONFIRMED, THAT THESE WILL BE OF THE LOWEST PRIORITY
06:58:41PM FOR ENFORCEMENT.
06:58:42PM WHAT IS THE LOWEST PRIORITY FOR ENFORCEMENT, JAYWALKING, A
06:58:46PM SPEEDING TICKET.
06:58:47PM I MEAN IF THIS IS -- IF THIS IS GOING TO BE -- YOU KNOW,
06:58:51PM EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REGARDING ABORTION AND
06:58:54PM WHATNOT.
06:58:54PM TREATED LOWEST PRIORITY FOR ENFORCEMENT AND THE MAYOR IS
06:58:58PM SAYING THAT, I WOULD SAY AND BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR HAS THE
06:59:01PM PEOPLE'S BACK.
06:59:02PM IN SAYING THAT THESE WILL BE TREATED AT THE LOWEST LEVEL.
06:59:07PM I -- I SEE BOTH RESOLUTIONS.
06:59:10PM I -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING FROM THE LEGAL
06:59:14PM DEPARTMENT.
06:59:14PM AND I -- I AM SATISFIED WITH THAT.
06:59:16PM I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS OF THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS AND
06:59:20PM WHAT IS PRESENTED BY THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBER, BUT ARE THESE
06:59:24PM THINGS NECESSARY?
06:59:25PM WHEN WE HAVE THE MAYOR, AGAIN, CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
06:59:29PM SAYING THIS WILL BE TREATED AS THE LOWEST PRIORITY
06:59:31PM ENFORCEMENT AND US, AS A CITY COUNCIL, TALKING OF BUDGETS.
06:59:38PM I NEVER SEEN IN THE SEVEN YEARS WE APPROPRIATE ANY FUNDING
06:59:45PM TO ANY KIND OF CENTERS.
06:59:47PM I DON'T SEE WHY THIS IS NECESSARY.
06:59:48PM BOTH RESOLUTIONS WILL WORK BUT THE ONE YOU PROVIDED BY THE
06:59:52PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT I UNDERSTAND IS SUFFICIENT CONSIDERING THAT
06:59:55PM THE MAYOR MADE A PUBLIC STATEMENT ALREADY.
06:59:57PM SO I WILL STOP THERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT MY OTHER COLLEAGUES
07:00:02PM HAVE TO SAY.
07:00:03PM THANK YOU.
07:00:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
07:00:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
07:00:07PM REGARDING THE CENTERS THAT WE FUND.
07:00:14PM THEY ARE CALLED WELLNESS CENTERS WHERE YOU FARM OUT DOCTORS AND
07:00:19PM NURSES TO GIVE YOU PERIODIC CHECK-UP.
07:00:23PM YOU HAVE A COLD, YOU GO SEE THEM.
07:00:25PM YOU DON'T FEEL GOOD, YOU GO SEE THEM.
07:00:28PM FROM AN X-RAY AND NO SURGICAL WORK OR ANY TYPE OF THAT WORK
07:00:32PM THAT I AM AWARE OF.
07:00:34PM THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
07:00:34PM WELL WELL CENTER, FIND OUT IF YOU ARE PREGNANT OR HAVE A
07:00:43PM DISEASE.
07:00:44PM FINDS IT IN TIME.
07:00:45PM THIS IS WHAT WE TO DO LOWER OUR RATE OF INSURANCE SO WHEN
07:00:48PM YOU GO TO THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE AND GET IT FIXED THEY FIND IT
07:00:51PM NOT BEFORE -- AFTER IT IS IN AN ADVANCED STAGE BUT AT THE
07:00:56PM BEGINNING OF THE STAGE SO WE NOT ONLY SAVE OUR WORKFORCE BUT
07:01:00PM SAVE THE MONEY DOING THAT.
07:01:01PM AND WE HAVE THAT MANY, MANY YEARS THROUGHOUT.
07:01:03PM THAT IS A DIFFERENCE THAT I AM BRINGING UP.
07:01:06PM THEY DON'T DO ANY TYPE OF SURGICAL PROCEDURES THERE AT ALL.
07:01:10PM THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO CLEAR UP.
07:01:12PM THANK YOU.
07:01:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
07:01:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:01:17PM A LOT OF GOOD THOUGHTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS.
07:01:19PM I SAID THIS BEFORE WHEN I SECONDED THE ORIGINAL MOTION MAYBE
07:01:22PM A MONTH AND A HALF AGO OR SOMETHING THAT IN THIS COUNTRY, WE
07:01:26PM HAVE A -- WE HAVE A RIGHT OF A PERSONAL MORAL COMPASS OF THE
07:01:32PM PERSONAL JOURNEY WE WILL TAKE AND PERSONAL VALUES WE
07:01:35PM UNDERTAKE AS INDIVIDUALS AND WE HAVE PERSONAL AUTONOMY.
07:01:38PM AND THAT INCLUDES THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY
07:01:42PM ENSHRINED IN OUR FLORIDA CONSTITUTION.
07:01:45PM USED TO BE SAID IT WAS UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION WITH
07:01:49PM SEARCHES AND SEIZURES, GRISWOLD AND ROE V. WADE, AND THEN
07:01:53PM THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD VERSUS CASEY CASE ALMOST 20 YEARS
07:01:58PM LATER.
07:01:58PM I BELIEVE IN THOSE PRINCIPLES FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.
07:02:01PM I DO.
07:02:02PM AND SO -- AND I THINK ALL OF US SUPPORT THAT AND WANT TO
07:02:07PM SUPPORT THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES THAT ARE ENSHRINED
07:02:12PM IN THOSE CASES.
07:02:13PM WHEN ROE FALLS, IT IS A DOMINO EFFECT AS WE HAVE ALREADY
07:02:18PM SEEN ON A NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES THAT SHOULD TROUBLE ALL
07:02:21PM PEOPLE WHO CARE OF PERSONAL AUTONOMY.
07:02:23PM ALL PEOPLE WHO CARE OF PERSONAL AUTONOMY.
07:02:26PM SO -- BUT I SEE, THOUGH, THE TWO RESOLUTIONS.
07:02:31PM WHEN I SEE PEOPLE CITE THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY
07:02:34PM LEGAL AS SOMEHOW BEING MEANINGLESS OR OFFENSIVE, I MUST WI
07:02:39PM GREAT RESPECT AND REGARD -- RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
07:02:43PM THAT CITES FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES THAT I THINK WE CAN ALL
07:02:48PM GET BEHIND.
07:02:48PM AND I HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN A LEVEL OF DEFERENCE TO THE LEGAL
07:02:55PM DEPARTMENT ON ISSUES LIKE THIS.
07:02:57PM I HAVE WRITTEN NOTORIOUSLY A NUMBER OF RESOLUTIONS.
07:03:01PM WHENEVER I DO THAT I GIVE THEM TO LEGAL FOR FORM, NOT FOR
07:03:04PM SUBSTANCE MOST OF THE TIME BUT FOR FORM.
07:03:07PM AND I AM ALWAYS AMENABLE TO THOSE AND WHATNOT.
07:03:13PM I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING GOING FORWARD THAT
07:03:15PM STATES OUR PRINCIPLES AND WHATNOT.
07:03:17PM I AM PREPARED TO DO THAT.
07:03:19PM I HOPE WE GET A 7-0 VOTE ON THIS.
07:03:22PM THANK YOU.
07:03:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:03:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: A FEW THINGS.
07:03:31PM NUMBER ONE, SEVERAL FOLKS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE MAYOR AND
07:03:35PM THE MAYOR'S STATEMENT.
07:03:36PM THE MAYOR'S STATEMENT OFF HAND TO THE MEDIA IS NOT THE SAME
07:03:40PM AS A RESOLUTION THAT IS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
07:03:43PM SHE WOULD HAVE TO PASS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER OR SOME OTHER KIND
07:03:48PM OF OFFICIAL DOCUMENT.
07:03:49PM I WOULD SUGGEST THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASK FOR THAT TO ASK
07:03:54PM THE MAYOR TO DO THE SAME IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING, THEN SHE
07:04:00PM SHOULD PUT HER SIGNATURE TO A PIECE OF PAPER ALSO.
07:04:04PM NUMBER TWO, THIS -- THIS IS AN ISSUE -- ONE THING I WOULD
07:04:10PM LIKE TO SAY, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT AND
07:04:13PM I KNOW MANY OF YOU AND WE AGREE ON MOST ISSUES AND AGREE
07:04:17PM MANY TIMES.
07:04:17PM JUST BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THIS TYPE OF SOLUTION DOESN'T MEAN
07:04:21PM WE DISAGREE ON THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES.
07:04:24PM IN THIS CASE, I DISAGREE WITH A RESOLUTION INSTEAD OF
07:04:28PM ORDINANCE.
07:04:29PM IF AN ORDINANCE CAME BACK AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAID WE
07:04:33PM CAN VOTE FOR IT LEGALLY, I WOULD VOTE FOR IT.
07:04:37PM IN THIS CASE I TOLD YOU I COULDN'T TALK TO THE COLLEAGUES
07:04:39PM AND TALK TO YOU IN THE COMMUNITY AND I SAID I DON'T WANT TO
07:04:42PM VOTE FOR A RESOLUTION.
07:04:43PM I WAS VOTE FOR AN ORDINANCE AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE A
07:04:46PM CHANCE TO VOTE FOR AN ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF A RESOLUTION.
07:04:49PM THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
07:04:50PM A FLOOD OF E-MAILS AND CALLS AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOT FROM
07:04:53PM THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE
07:04:56PM NOT FROM MY DISTRICT BUT I DID GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF CALLS
07:04:59PM FROM PEOPLE FROM MY DISTRICT AND PEOPLE I KNOW VERY WELL.
07:05:03PM PEOPLE I RESPECT.
07:05:04PM AND THEY HAD SIMILAR STORIES AND SIMILAR DISCUSSION.
07:05:07PM IN FACT MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO SAY SHE
07:05:12PM HAD TWO DIFFICULT PREGNANCY AND SHE IS PREGNANT RIGHT NOW
07:05:15PM AND SHE IS FACING THESE ISSUES AND SHE AND I HAD LONG
07:05:19PM CONVERSATIONS WITH WHAT SHE IS FACING.
07:05:20PM IT IS VERY PERSONAL TO US.
07:05:22PM I AM NOT ABLE TO GET PREGNANT MYSELF, BUT I HAVE THREE KIDS
07:05:25PM AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE -- THE PROCESS WITH THEIR MOTHER
07:05:29PM AND MY FRIENDS -- LIKE MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE WE ARE FACING AS
07:05:34PM WELL.
07:05:34PM I UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY AND THE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
07:05:37PM MY FEAR IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO RAISE FALSE HOPES.
07:05:41PM AND I WISH WE COULD COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SOLUTION.
07:05:44PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, ENOUGH OF MY -- ENOUGH OF MY -- ENOUGH
07:05:49PM PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT HAVE ASKED ME TO SUPPORT THIS.
07:05:51PM AND INSISTED I SUPPORT THIS AND I HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THE
07:05:55PM PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT WANT ME TO DO.
07:05:56PM SO I AM WILLING TO ON THEIR BEHALF SPO SUPPORT SOME VERSION
07:06:01PM OF THIS.
07:06:03PM LOOK MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN VIERA.
07:06:07PM I NEVER GO AGAINST LEGAL OPINION.
07:06:08PM AND MY PREFERENCE IS TO SUPPORT THE VERSION THAT THE LEGAL
07:06:12PM DEPARTMENT HAS RECOMMENDED.
07:06:13PM IF WE ARE -- IF THE MAJORITY -- SUPPORTING WHAT MY
07:06:20PM CONSTITUENT HAVE ASKED ME TO DO, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE A
07:06:24PM 7-0 VOTE.
07:06:25PM MY PREFERENCE TO GO WITH THE LEGAL OPINION -- THE LEGAL
07:06:28PM DEPARTMENT'S VERSION.
07:06:30PM BUT IF WE HAVE TO GO WITH SOMETHING ELSE, I WOULD -- I WOULD
07:06:33PM BE HESITANTLY OKAY WITH NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE, BUT
07:06:37PM NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.
07:06:39PM IT IS STILL A RESOLUTION, BUT PROVIDES SOME LEVEL PROVE
07:06:43PM TEXAS FOR ALL OF US.
07:06:45PM AND THEN IT -- -- IT GIVES US -- IT ALSO -- AS SEVERAL FOLKS
07:06:52PM SAID, GUEST THE BASIS TO LOOK APT SOME KIND OF ORDINANCE.
07:06:55PM THE LAST THING I WILL ASK, AND I WILL HAVE TO ASK THIS OF
07:06:59PM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT JUST SO ALL MY COLLEAGUES CAN KNOW IF
07:07:02PM YOU ALL HAVE FOLLOWED THE MEDIA, YOU KNOW THAT THERE HAVE
07:07:05PM BEEN A LOT OF LEGAL ATTACKS AGAINST CITY COUNCIL.
07:07:08PM ONE CITY COUNCILMEMBER IS NO LONGER HERE.
07:07:11PM AND THE -- THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS NOT DEFENDED OR
07:07:15PM PROTECTED CITY COUNCIL, EVEN ACTING IN THEIR POSITION AS
07:07:19PM CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
07:07:20PM NOW WE HAVE A NEW INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY.
07:07:24PM AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK THE INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY IF
07:07:27PM SHE WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP.
07:07:28PM IF CITY COUNCIL VOTES ON -- ON COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S
07:07:35PM VERSION, NOT THE ONE RECOMMENDED BY LEGAL, WILL LEGAL DEFEND
07:07:39PM CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCILMEMBERS SINCE WE ARE IN THE
07:07:43PM DAIS AND ACTING AS OUR POSITION OF CITY COUNCILMEMBERS OR
07:07:47PM LAWSUITS AGAINST INDIVIDUAL CITY COUNCILMEMBERS WILL THE
07:07:51PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT MAKE US FUND THAT ON OUR OWN?
07:07:54PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: FIRST OF ALL, GOOD EVENING, ANDREA ZELMAN,
07:07:58PM ACTING CITY ATTORNEY.
07:07:59PM YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE CASE LAW YOU ARE REFERRING TO AND THE
07:08:02PM CASE LAW WE RELIED UPON IN THE DECISION TO NOT DEFEND
07:08:07PM COUNCIL AND DINGFELDER WHEN HE WAS SUED WAS IN THE SPECIFIC
07:08:12PM INSTANCE WHERE A CITY COUNCILMEMBER WAS SUED INDIVIDUALLY.
07:08:18PM AND THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS HE ACTING WITHIN THE
07:08:24PM SCOPE AND COURSE OF HIS EMPLOYMENT AND FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
07:08:28PM IT HAPPENED -- THAT IS WHAT THE CASE LAW TURNS ON.
07:08:31PM I KEEP SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT IS EXTREMELY
07:08:38PM RARE, EXTREMELY RARE FOR COUNCILMEMBERS TO BE SUED IN THEIR
07:08:42PM INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY.
07:08:42PM AND CERTAINLY I NEVER -- I CAN'T IMAGINE AN INSTANCE IN
07:08:47PM WHICH COUNCILMEMBERS WILL BE SUED INDIVIDUALLY FOR HAVING
07:08:51PM VOTED ON A RESOLUTION.
07:08:54PM SO I AM NOT EVEN SURE --
07:08:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU --
07:09:00PM >> I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
07:09:01PM I DON'T WANT TO OPINE TODAY IF YOU PASS THIS RESOLUTION
07:09:06PM VERSUS --
07:09:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOUR PREDECESSOR WENT SO FAR TO SAY IF I
07:09:12PM TOOK THE ADVICE -- IF WE TOOK THE ADVICE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
07:09:15PM ATTORNEY THAT THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT DEFEND US.
07:09:18PM AND IN THIS CASE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT THIS.
07:09:22PM THERE ARE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS.
07:09:23PM BUT IF -- IF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT -- HERE WE ARE ON THE DAIS
07:09:28PM AND ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER.
07:09:29PM IF WE VOTE ON THIS AND GETS SUED COLLECTIVELY AND
07:09:32PM INDIVIDUALLY AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAYS, OH, NO, YOU
07:09:35PM KNOW, WE ARE JUST NOT GOING TO DEFEND, THEN -- JUST SO THE
07:09:40PM PUBLIC KNOWS, THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH ANDREW
07:09:45PM WARREN IS HAPPENING TO THE CITY AND HAPPENING WITH THE MAY I
07:09:48PM DON'T REMEMBER AND HER STAFF.
07:09:49PM SO IT IS A VICIOUS ATTACK AGAINST DEMOCRACY.
07:09:53PM WE ARE TRYING TO REPRESENT THE PUBLIC AND I WANT TO MAKE
07:09:58PM SURE THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF PROTECTION FOR MY COLLEAGUES AND
07:10:01PM I.
07:10:01PM >> WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IN OTHER INSTANCES WHERE CITY
07:10:05PM COUNCIL ACTS AGAINST THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL, THEY LOSE
07:10:10PM CERTAIN PROTECTIONS.
07:10:11PM THEY BECOME SUBJECT TO THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING SUED UNDER
07:10:15PM FEDERAL 1983 ACTION -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT CITE.
07:10:20PM CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE OUR SUGGESTION THAT YOU APPROVE THE
07:10:25PM RESOLUTION THAT WAS DRAFTED BY US.
07:10:28PM IT IS NOT OUR ADVICE THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THAT
07:10:31PM WAS DRAFTED BY THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA.
07:10:35PM AGAIN, I AM COMFORTABLE OPINING TODAY, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU
07:10:41PM BE SUED IF YOU ADOPTED ONE -- IF YOU ADOPTED THAT, AND IF SO
07:10:47PM -- NO, I AM NOT -- I AM NOT STANDING UP HERE TO SAY IF YOU
07:10:51PM ADOPT THE OTHER ONE, WE WON'T HELP YOU.
07:10:54PM WE WON'T PROTECTS YOU.
07:10:55PM BUT TO -- TO DO THAT ANALYSIS OF WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD BE
07:11:03PM LIABLE FOR YOUR LEGAL DEFENSE, AGAIN, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU
07:11:09PM ADOPT THE ONE THAT WE DRAFTED.
07:11:11PM WE -- MEGAN WAS VERY CAREFUL TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT SHE
07:11:17PM FELT YOU COULD DO THAT YOU COULD COMFORTABLY ADOPT THAT WAS
07:11:22PM SOMEHOW NOT CONTRARY TO LAW THAT HAD PROTECTIONS IN IT FOR
07:11:25PM YOU, FRANKLY.
07:11:26PM AND THAT WAS SORT OF PART OF HER ANALYSIS.
07:11:30PM SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST GO A LITTLE
07:11:36PM OUTSIDE THE LINES AND RAISE CONCERNS FOR US.
07:11:38PM SO THAT IS OUR ADVICE.
07:11:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
07:11:42PM THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PUTS YOU ON THE SPOT CITIZENS.
07:11:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:11:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE COLLEAGUE CARLSON SAID A LOT
07:11:50PM AND MEANS A LOT.
07:11:51PM AND I THINK HIS QUESTIONS WERE ALL PROPER; HOWEVER, YOU
07:11:54PM KNOW, HE TALKED ABOUT SOMEONE THO THAT IS CLOSE THAT WORKS
07:11:58PM WITH HIM AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
07:12:00PM EVERYONE FROM LIFE, IF YOU WERE MARRIED LONG ENOUGH OR HAVE
07:12:03PM ANY KIND OF FAMILY, SOONER OR LATER, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO
07:12:07PM END UP HAVING AN ABORTION.
07:12:08PM AND MY WIFE EXPERIENCED THAT BACK IN 1964, '65, WHERE SHE
07:12:14PM HAD ONE CHILD.
07:12:16PM AND A DOCTOR ON THE FIFTH MONTH TOLD HER THE BABY HAD DIED.
07:12:20PM WE HAVE TO GO HAVE AN ABORTION.
07:12:22PM HERE IS WHERE IT STARTS.
07:12:27PM NEXT THING YOU KNOW WE ARE IN THE HOSPITAL.
07:12:29PM DOING TESTS.
07:12:30PM THEY DO THE ABORTION THE NEXT DAY IN THE MORNING.
07:12:32PM AND THE HOSPITAL SAYS WE CAN NOT DO THE ABORTION.
07:12:35PM AND THE REASON WAS THAT SHE HAD TWO FETUSES.
07:12:40PM ONE WAS FIVE MONTHS OLD.
07:12:42PM THE OTHER ONE WAS THREE MONTHS OLD.
07:12:44PM SHE HAD TO WAIT -- I FELT BAD AND TERRIBLE.
07:12:47PM HOW DO YOU THINK SHE FELT.
07:12:49PM SHE HAD TO STAY UNTIL THE INFECTION OF A FIVE-MONTH-OLD
07:12:53PM KILLED THE INFECTION OF THE THREE-MONTH-OLD.
07:12:56PM AND I HAVE ALL RECORDS OF THAT.
07:12:59PM SO IN TODAY'S MODERN TIME, MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE DONE SOME
07:13:04PM SURGICAL PROCEDURE WHERE ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT AND
07:13:08PM THE OTHER WOULD HAVE LIVED, THAT WASN'T THE CASE THEN.
07:13:11PM I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT I HAVE A FEELING AT
07:13:15PM TIMES THAT I HAVE TO STICK -- I AM NOT -- I AM WILLING TO
07:13:19PM MAKE A COMPROMISE, BUT THIS -- THAT THE CITY WROTE IS WHAT
07:13:23PM THEY WANT TO DEFEND BECAUSE IT IS PROPER TO THE WORDING.
07:13:27PM IF A RESOLUTION HAS SOME VALUE AS FAR AS EUPHORIC FEELING,
07:13:31PM WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE.
07:13:33PM HOWEVER, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IF YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO
07:13:35PM GO OUT THERE AND LEGALLY PROTECT YOURSELF
07:13:37PM AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
07:13:42PM PROTECTION AS THEY SHOULD BE BECAUSE THEY ARE PROTECTING NOT
07:13:44PM ONLY YOU AND I BUT THE OTHER 400,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
07:13:48PM THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING AND I AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON SAID.
07:13:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS?
07:13:57PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
07:13:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WORK FOR GOVERNMENT, AND
07:14:03PM YOU ARE IN MANAGEMENT OR ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION, YOU TAUGHT
07:14:10PM CLASS 101, YOU PROTECT THE CITY AT ALL COSTS.
07:14:13PM RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT, YOU PROTECT THE HOUSE.
07:14:16PM AND MR. CARLSON, YOU HAVE GREAT QUESTIONS.
07:14:20PM YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN TOLD CERTAIN THINGS WHAT THE
07:14:26PM CITY WILL -- WILL DO FOR US AND WHAT THEY WON'T DO FOR US.
07:14:30PM AND WE ALL HAVE ISSUES OF HOW THAT OFFICE HAS KIND OF RAN A
07:14:34PM LITTLE BIT.
07:14:35PM I KNOW I HAVE.
07:14:35PM BUT THIS IS MISS NEWCOMB'S OPINION.
07:14:42PM SHE DID RESEARCH WHAT WILL PROTECT THE CITY.
07:14:45PM AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ADVICE OR DO WE SAY,
07:14:53PM WELL, WE ARE THE COUNCIL.
07:14:55PM IT IS YOUR JOB DEFEND US OF THE DECISION WE MAKE VERSUS
07:15:00PM ANOTHER RESOLUTION.
07:15:00PM THAT IS THE DECISION WE ARE FACED WITH, GENTLEMEN, DO WE GO
07:15:05PM WITH ONE OR TWO.
07:15:06PM AND LET THE CHIPS FALL IF WE MAY IF SOMEONE WANTS TO
07:15:09PM CHALLENGE IT.
07:15:10PM BUT, AGAIN, THAT IS JUST A RESOLUTION.
07:15:12PM UP TO EVERY COUNCILMEMBERS' DECISION AND DISCRETION HOW THEY
07:15:18PM WILL VOTE BUT LEGAL'S JOB TO PROTECT THE HOUSE.
07:15:20PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT.
07:15:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
07:15:27PM MY STATEMENTS ARE NOT MEANT TO OFFEND NEB, BUT I HEARD A LOT
07:15:32PM OF SPEAKERS -- OFFEND ANYBODY, BUT I HEARD A LOT OF SPEAKERS
07:15:38PM AT THE PODIUM MENTION TALLAHASSEE.
07:15:41PM MENTION LEADERS IN TALLAHASSEE.
07:15:43PM ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID, IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
07:15:50PM AND IT IS NOT.
07:15:51PM WHAT A WOMAN WANTS TO DO WITH HER BUSINESS IS BETWEEN HER
07:15:56PM AND HER DOCTOR.
07:15:56PM IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
07:15:58PM THE FEDS AND TALLAHASSEE HAVE NOW MADE IT MY BUSINESS.
07:16:06PM A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY.
07:16:15PM NOW IF ANYBODY IN TALLAHASSEE, YOU DO NOT FEEL THEY ARE
07:16:23PM DOING A JOB OR HAS OFFENDED YOU BY THE ACTIONS THEY HAVE
07:16:26PM TAKEN AGAINST ABORTION, I ASK YOU DON'T VOTE FOR THEM.
07:16:30PM BECAUSE ALL THE WAY FROM THE TOP, STATE REPRESENT THAT I WAS
07:16:36PM DIDN'T SPEAK OUT ABOUT IT, STATE SENATORS THAT DIDN'T SPEAK
07:16:40PM OUT ABOUT IT.
07:16:42PM WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST ABORTION.
07:16:46PM THEN AGAIN ASK THEM, FREE BIRTH CONTROL
07:16:49PM YOU KNOW -- GIVE FREE BIRTH CONTROL.
07:16:53PM THERE HAS BEEN MANY ORDINANCES THAT THIS CITY -- THIS CITY
07:16:59PM COUNCIL HAS ENACTED, ENTERPRISE -- EXCUSE ME,
07:17:04PM APPRENTICESHIP, CLEAN ENERGY.
07:17:05PM EVEN BEFORE THEY WERE VOTED ON, TALLAHASSEE WAS READY
07:17:13PM PREEMPTION ABOUT IT.
07:17:14PM AN ORDINANCE WILL BE PASSED TONIGHT.
07:17:17PM JUST WHICH ONE IS THIS --
07:17:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RESOLUTION.
07:17:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME, A RESOLUTION WILL BE PASSED
07:17:27PM TONIGHT.
07:17:28PM AND I AM HOPE THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL PICK ONE.
07:17:34PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
07:17:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL TAKE A --
07:17:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I ALREADY HAD COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO -- YOU
07:17:47PM RAISED YOUR HAND -- COUNCILMAN, MANISCALCO.
07:17:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEN I MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT WHAT THE
07:17:52PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS PROVIDED US.
07:17:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
07:17:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
07:18:01PM MANISCALCO.
07:18:02PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:18:05PM ANY DISCUSSION?
07:18:07PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
07:18:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I DON'T
07:18:12PM THINK THIS PROTECTS US ENOUGH.
07:18:13PM AND HONESTLY, I WOULD JUST RESCIND IT, BUT I REALLY FEEL
07:18:18PM LIKE EVERYONE AND ALL THE CITIZENS NEED TO HEAR HOW PEOPLE
07:18:22PM FEEL.
07:18:23PM I DON'T THINK THIS GOES FAR ENOUGH.
07:18:24PM I THINK THAT SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO APPROPRIATE
07:18:28PM FUNDS AND MAKE IT THE LOWEST PRIORITY IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
07:18:32PM AND I BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR HAS ALREADY SAID SHE AGREES
07:18:36PM WITH US.
07:18:36PM I THINK THAT TAKING OUT -- OR ADDING IN ACCEPT AS MAY BE
07:18:42PM REQUIRED BY STATE AND FEDERAL LAW MAKES THIS A -- AN EVEN
07:18:45PM LESS OF A TEETH PRODUCING THING THAN THE FACT THAT THE
07:18:51PM RESOLUTION DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING ANYWAY.
07:18:53PM TO ME, THIS TAKES THE ENTIRE POINT OUT, AND -- IF THAT IS
07:18:59PM THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, THAT'S FINE, BUT I WILL NOT BE
07:19:02PM VOTING FOR IT.
07:19:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
07:19:09PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:19:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK, WOULD YOU BE --
07:19:18PM KEEPING IN MIND THIS IS A RESOLUTION NOT AN ORDINANCE, WOULD
07:19:23PM YOU BE -- WOULD YOU ACCEPT LEAVING NUMBER TWO AND THREE IN
07:19:26PM BUT JUST ADDING THAT -- ADDING THAT LINE.
07:19:30PM IT IS WHAT -- IN REALITY, THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD DO ANYWAY.
07:19:35PM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WILL NEVER LET US VOTE FOR ANY SPECIFIC
07:19:40PM ORDINANCE OR FUNDING ISSUE THAT BROKE STATE OR FEDERAL LAW
07:19:45PM IT IS REDUNDANT, BUT IF THEY -- IF THEY WANT THAT IN THERE,
07:19:49PM IT SEEMS LIKE AT A MINIMUM WE SHOULD ADD THAT IN.
07:19:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I RESPECT THAT, BUT NO, I WON'T VOTE FOR
07:19:55PM THAT.
07:19:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT
07:19:59PM I KNOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THEY
07:20:04PM CAN TO SUSTAIN THE VOTE OF THIS COUNCIL.
07:20:06PM AND -- I APPRECIATE WHAT MISS HURTAK HAS DONE.
07:20:11PM I APPRECIATE THE STRENGTH SHE HAS AND STICKING TO HER GUNS,
07:20:15PM BUT THERE HAS GOT TO BE A COMPROMISE.
07:20:17PM I THINK WHEN YOU DON'T DO THAT, IT IS JUST -- IT IS -- THE
07:20:23PM SAME PEOPLE THAT WE HIRED TO RUN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, GIVE
07:20:26PM ADVICE TO US AND WE ARE GOING TO TELL THEM WE ARE NOT GOING
07:20:28PM TO LISTEN TO YOU.
07:20:29PM WE WILL LISTEN TO ME OR SOMEBODY ELSE.
07:20:32PM THAT IS NOT THE WAY I DO BUSINESS.
07:20:34PM SO IT'S A BUSINESS.
07:20:35PM IT'S A TOUGH DECISION.
07:20:37PM I BELIEVE -- LET ME PUTS THIS WAY, I AM NOT A LIBERAL.
07:20:42PM I AM NOT A CONSERVATIVE.
07:20:44PM I JUST BELIEVE AND WHAT I BELIEVE IS RIGHT.
07:20:46PM YOU DON'T FIND TOO MANY OF US IN THE MIDDLE.
07:20:48PM SO I DON'T -- IN FACT, I CHANGE SOME LAWS BY MYSELF.
07:20:54PM I DON'T WANT TO BRAG ON MYSELF.
07:20:56PM WHEN I HAD A PROBLEM, I WENT TO COURT AND DID IT MYSELF.
07:21:00PM THE RIGHT TO RUN FOR OFFICE WITHOUT MONEY.
07:21:02PM 1972, MIRANDA VERSUS FLORIDA.
07:21:05PM SO IF YOU DON'T THINK I HAVE GUTS, GO TRY THAT.
07:21:08PM MUCH.
07:21:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
07:21:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW PEOPLE DO THINGS BECAUSE OF
07:21:17PM CONVICTIONS SOMETIMES OBVIOUSLY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAVE
07:21:24PM STRONG CONVICTIONS WHAT SHE HAS PRESENTED.
07:21:27PM AND I RESPECT THAT.
07:21:28PM AND I NEVER HAVE BEEN A COWARD.
07:21:31PM I THINK YOU ARE NOT ONE EITHER.
07:21:34PM I RESPECT THAT.
07:21:35PM I CAN'T STAND A COWARD.
07:21:36PM BUT ON ONE HAND, MR. MIRANDA IS RIGHT ABOUT COMPROMISE
07:21:45PM SOMETIMES AND I DON'T KNOW IF MISS NEWCOMB IS AMENABLE OR
07:21:53PM PUTTING THE PORTION OF EXCEPT REQUIRED STATE LAW IN YOUR
07:21:56PM BRIEF.
07:21:57PM BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONVICTION.
07:22:03PM I UNDERSTAND YOUR HEART BECAUSE PEOPLE DO THINGS BECAUSE
07:22:06PM THEY HAVE EXPERIENCES.
07:22:07PM BUT I DO THINK THAT SOMETIMES GETS THINGS MOVING THROUGH THE
07:22:15PM DOOR TO GET GOING BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE IF WE CAN.
07:22:18PM I THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT STARTING POINT.
07:22:20PM SO MISS NEWCOMB, IF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WERE TO BE HUMBLE
07:22:30PM ENOUGH TO LOOK AT THAT, WOULD THAT BE AMENABLE TO ADD THE
07:22:33PM EXCEPTION INTO THE SECOND BRIEF?
07:22:37PM >> YOU ARE REFERRING TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SUGGESTED?
07:22:41PM THAT WILL BE BETTER.
07:22:42PM I MEAN I RESPECT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR OPINION AND
07:22:45PM POSITION.
07:22:45PM I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ALL ARE COMING FROM.
07:22:50PM WHAT I AM GIVING YOU IS MY LEGAL OPINION, SOLELY MY LEGAL
07:22:54PM OPINION.
07:22:55PM AND YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ARE FREE TO DO WITH IT WHAT YOU MAY.
07:22:58PM THAT WOULD BE BENTER THAN THE CURRENT DEMOCRATIC I CAN
07:23:03PM SOCIALIST OF AMERICA VERSION, YES.
07:23:05PM WOULD THAT BE AS ROCK SOLID AS I WOULD LIKE AS AN ATTORNEY,
07:23:09PM NO.
07:23:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GUESS, COUNCILWOMAN, I THINK YOU MADE A
07:23:15PM STATEMENT BEFORE, BUT I WILL ASK AGAIN WILL YOU TAKE A
07:23:18PM FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
07:23:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
07:23:20PM NO, I AM SORRY, I WON'T.
07:23:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN -- ARE YOU FINISHED COUNCILMAN
07:23:29PM GUDES.
07:23:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
07:23:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CONGRESSMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
07:23:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS DONE THIS
07:23:36PM INTENTIONALLY BUT WHEN YOU JUST REFERRED TO WHAT I CALL
07:23:41PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S PROPOSAL.
07:23:43PM YOU CALL THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST -- I KNOW THEY GAVE IT TO
07:23:47PM HER AND HELPED HER WITH IT AND IT IS HER PROPOSAL.
07:23:49PM AND I THINK -- I HAVE SEEN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN THE PAST
07:23:53PM MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT AND PUT LABELS ON THINGS THAT BIAS
07:23:56PM IT.
07:23:56PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS INTENTIONAL OR UNINTENTIONAL, I WILL
07:24:01PM ASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE NOMENCLATURE
07:24:05PM BECAUSE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S PROPOSAL.
07:24:08PM AND I DON'T -- SIX MEN CAN'T VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT THE ONE
07:24:14PM WOMAN ON COUNCIL DOESN'T VOTE FOR.
07:24:15PM THE ONLY CHOICES IS WE EITHER ALL VOTE FOR HERS.
07:24:22PM OR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IF YOU WANTED TO ASK FOR A
07:24:26PM CONTINUANCE, IF YOU WANTS TO -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VOTE
07:24:29PM WOULD BE, IF IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR PROPOSAL IS NOT GOING TO GET
07:24:33PM VOTED IN TONIGHT, IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD SAY, LET'S CONTINUE
07:24:37PM IT TO ANOTHER TIME SO THAT -- THE PROBLEM SO EVERYBODY
07:24:41PM KNOWS, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER.
07:24:43PM WE CAN'T -- IF -- KNOWING THERE WERE TWO VERSIONS, WE CAN'T
07:24:47PM CALL HER UP AND SAY WE LIKE ONE VERSION VERSUS ANOTHER.
07:24:51PM THE ONLY TIME WE CAN DISCUSS IT BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE LAW IS
07:24:55PM HERE.
07:24:55PM IT IS DIFFICULT TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
07:24:58PM THE CHOICE IS WE EITHER -- IF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WON'T VOTE
07:25:02PM FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT -- IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS NOT
07:25:05PM ENOUGH VOTES.
07:25:06PM INSTEAD OF VOTING SOMETHING DOWN, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A
07:25:08PM BAD SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY, THEN -- THEN I WOULD SUGGEST
07:25:13PM CONTINUING IT.
07:25:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE AND MIGHT AS
07:25:24PM WELL -- LIKE MR. CARLSON SAID FOR A WEEK OR SOMETHING TO GET
07:25:27PM IT --
07:25:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
07:25:34PM TWO THINGS.
07:25:35PM A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, AND NUMBER TWO -- THIS IS
07:25:39PM WHY I VOTED NO ON.THE MOTION TO HAVE THIS CONTINUED OUT OF
07:25:42PM RESPECT FOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:25:47PM WE ALL HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT AND THAT THIS MAY BE ANOTHER
07:25:51PM TIME TO CONSIDER THAT MOTION IF NEED BE.
07:25:54PM JUST MY THOUGHTS.
07:25:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:26:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT CHANGING MY STANCE.
07:26:03PM I AM NOT GOING TO RESCIND IT.
07:26:06PM AND I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT.
07:26:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT THE
07:26:14PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S DRAFT.
07:26:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:26:19PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:26:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN FACT WE CAN GO FURTHER.
07:26:22PM I AM FINE WITH MAKING THE COMPROMISE AND JUST LEAVING THE
07:26:30PM SECTION TWO, ACCEPT MAY BE REQUIRED BY STATE AND FEDERAL
07:26:34PM LAW.
07:26:34PM I AM FOLLOWING MAKE THAT COMPROMISE IN MY VOTE.
07:26:36PM I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE OTHERS.
07:26:38PM FORGET THE OTHER TWO, LET IT GO THE OTHER WAY ON HER SIDE.
07:26:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT WILL BE ADDED NUMBER TWO AND THREE BACK
07:26:45PM IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S VERSION.
07:26:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS THE THIRD TIME YOU ASKED ME TO DO
07:26:49PM THAT.
07:26:50PM AND I RESPECTFULLY DECLINE.
07:26:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FINE.
07:26:53PM I DECLINE IT THEN.
07:26:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTION ACCEPT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S
07:27:01PM RESOLUTION.
07:27:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT HAS BEEN SECOND BY MYSELF AND A
07:27:07PM MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
07:27:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS WAITING FOR ALL DISCUSSION.
07:27:10PM A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:27:12PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:27:14PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
07:27:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:27:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
07:27:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
07:27:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:27:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
07:27:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:27:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
07:27:27PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND GUDES VOTING NO.
07:27:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL TAKE FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
07:27:34PM [MEETING IN RECESS]
07:39:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
07:39:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
07:39:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
07:39:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
07:39:23PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
07:39:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM TOLD THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS A LITTLE
07:39:30PM TICKLE IN HIS THROAT AND HE HAS VIA ZOOM OR VIA THE INTERNET
07:39:39PM FROM HIS OFFICE.
07:39:40PM LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS NOW WITH
07:39:45PM US.
07:39:45PM LET'S --
07:39:49PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A MOTION
07:39:52PM TO ACKNOWLEDGING -- ACKNOWLEDGING THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA CAN
07:39:58PM PARTICIPATE REMOTELY.
07:40:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND WE WILL TAKE ROLL CALL VOTE.
07:40:02PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:40:05PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:40:06PM ALL IN FAVOR.
07:40:07PM OPPOSED.
07:40:08PM THANK YOU.
07:40:09PM FILE NUMBERE 2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
07:40:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
07:40:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
07:40:19PM >> THESE THINGS JUST ROLL RIGHT OFF YOUR TONGUE.
07:40:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE NUMBERE 2022-8, CHAPTER 27.
07:40:31PM >>ERIC COTTON: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL LAND DEVELOPMENT
07:40:37PM COORDINATION.
07:40:37PM TWO AND THREE -- YOU IF YOU PARTIALLY CONSIDER THEM AS ONE
07:40:42PM OVERALL THOUGHT PROCESSES.
07:40:48PM THEY ARE FROM THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP TO THE CENTRAL
07:40:51PM BUSINESS DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING AND OTHER ITEMS I
07:40:54PM WILL GET INTO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR --
07:40:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. COTTON, WE CAN HEAR THEM ALL AT ONCE BUT
07:41:03PM DIFFERENT MOTIONS.
07:41:04PM >>ERIC COTTON: FOR ITEMS TWO AND THREE, YES.
07:41:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCILMEMBERS?
07:41:13PM MR. COTTON.
07:41:14PM >>ERIC COTTON: THESE WERE PART OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT
07:41:17PM WORKSHOP IN APRIL EARLIER THIS YEAR.
07:41:18PM TWO REQUESTS, ONE IS FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT
07:41:24PM WHICH IS SECTIONS 181 THROUGH 27-185, REDUCE THE REQUIRED
07:41:34PM PARKING RATIOS FOR USES IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
07:41:37PM AND THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FOR TRANSPORTATION
07:41:41PM MODES SUCH AS BIKES AND SHARED PARKING AND SUCH.
07:41:46PM MULTIMODAL USES.
07:41:48PM SOME OF THE SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENTS REQUIRING FOR CENTRAL
07:41:55PM BUSINESS DISTRICT YOU WON'T USE A SPECIAL USE TO DO DRIVE-IN
07:41:59PM WINDOWS.
07:41:59PM AND THOSE WILL BE IN THE CDB SECTION OF THE CODE.
07:42:04PM AND THAT IS FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT FOR THE
07:42:07PM CHANNEL DISTRICT.
07:42:08PM SECTIONS 27-196 TO 27-210.
07:42:12PM CONSOLIDATES THE PARKING TABLE AND TABLE SEPARATE AND
07:42:18PM PUTTING THEM IN ONE TABLE.
07:42:20PM MIMIC WHAT IS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS AND THE USES
07:42:24PM REQUIRED.
07:42:24PM THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THE ZONING DISTRICTS.
07:42:28PM KAREN CRESS IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY REQUEST HE IS FOR HER.
07:42:31PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
07:42:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF?
07:42:39PM >>ERIC COTTON: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM KAREN.
07:42:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS CRESS.
07:42:42PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
07:42:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
07:42:51PM >> KAREN CRESS, TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
07:42:55PM I AM THE APPLICANT IN THIS.
07:42:56PM BACK IN APRIL WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON THIS WHERE I GAVE YOU A
07:42:59PM PRESENTATION TO OUTLINE IT.
07:43:00PM I AM HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN OR STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS
07:43:03PM OR COMMENTS.
07:43:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MISS CRESS?
07:43:08PM THANK YOU.
07:43:08PM >> THANK YOU.
07:43:09PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IF YOU WERE PREPARED, YOU HAVE TO READ EACH
07:43:16PM ONE OF THE ORDINANCES.
07:43:17PM THIS IS FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
07:43:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TO AGENDA
07:43:22PM ITEM NUMBER TWO OR THREE?
07:43:27PM >>CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
07:43:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:43:31PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:43:33PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE AGENDA ITEM
07:43:36PM NUMBER TWO.
07:43:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
07:43:38PM FILE NUMBER E2022-8, CHAPTER 27.
07:43:46PM MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
07:43:49PM ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATED TO IS THE
07:43:52PM CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF
07:43:56PM TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 ZONING AND LAND USE
07:43:59PM DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-132 REGULATIONS GOVERNING
07:44:06PM INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USES, AMENDING SECTION 27-181.5,
07:44:13PM WATERFRONT OVERLAY; SIDEWALK DESIGN REGULATIONS; AMENDING
07:44:18PM SECTION 27-182, PUBLIC REALM AND PUBLIC REALM ZONE
07:44:23PM STANDARDS; AMENDING SECTION 27-183, GENERAL DISTRICT
07:44:27PM DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS; AMENDING SECTION 27-184, OFFICI
07:44:32PM SCHEDULE OF PERMITTED PRINCIPAL, ACCESSORIES AND SPECIAL
07:44:36PM USES; REQUIRED OFF-STREET PARKING RATIO BY USE; AMENDING
07:44:43PM SECTION 27-184.1, MISCELLANEOUS USE STANDARDS; AMENDING
07:44:48PM SECTION 27-185, GENERAL PARKING DESIGN STANDARDS; PARKING
07:44:53PM IN-LEE, CALCULATION AND PAYMENT; FENCES; AMENDING SECTION
07:44:59PM 27-185.1, OFF-STREET SURFACE PARKING DESIGN STANDARDS;
07:45:04PM AMENDING SECTION 27-18527, PARKING COMPLIANCE; ALTERNATIVE
07:45:10PM COMPLIANCE; IN-LIEU CALCULATION AND PAYMENT, ALL
07:45:15PM ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY.
07:45:18PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
07:45:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:45:23PM SECONDED BY GUDES.
07:45:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:45:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES --
07:45:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M HERE, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
07:45:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE CAN, THANK YOU.
07:45:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:45:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
07:45:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
07:45:37PM >>Clerk: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
07:45:39PM SECTION READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD SEPTEMBER 1, 2022
07:45:43PM AT 10:30 A.M.
07:45:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, READ NUMBER #.
07:45:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
07:45:58PM LATE TO CHANNEL DISTRICT MAKING REVISION OF CITY OF TAMPA
07:46:02PM CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 7 ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT,
07:46:05PM AMENDING SECTION 27-198, OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF PERMITTED
07:46:11PM PRINCIPAL ACCESSORY AND SPECIAL USES; AMENDING SECTION
07:46:16PM 27-199, OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS;
07:46:20PM DELETING SECTION 27-200 PARKING REQUIREMENTS, REPEALING ALL
07:46:24PM ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
07:46:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY GUDES AND SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
07:46:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:46:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:46:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
07:46:37PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:46:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
07:46:39PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
07:46:43PM .SECOND READING ADOPTION SEPTEMBER 1 AT 10:30 A.M.
07:46:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK
07:46:54PM EVERYBODY WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THIS FOR THEIR HELP STEP THANK
07:47:00PM YOU TO MISS CRESS FOR MAKE THIS POSSIBLE.
07:47:01PM THANK YOU.
07:47:02PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER, E2022-8, SECTION 23.5, AND
07:47:13PM E2022-8, CHAPTER 27.
07:47:17PM MR. COTTON.
07:47:18PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
07:47:21PM PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
07:47:24PM AGAIN DISCUSS AT THE APRIL 28 WORKSHOP.
07:47:28PM FIRST FOR FOOD TRUCKS.
07:47:29PM THE STATE PREEMPTED US FROM REQUIRING ADDITIONAL PERMITS AND
07:47:34PM A SPECIAL USE AND TREAT THEM AS A VENDOR.
07:47:36PM THE STATE PREEMPTED US AND MADE FOOD TRUCKS PERMITTED USES
07:47:39PM BASICALLY ANYWHERE IN THE STATES.
07:47:41PM SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY THE
07:47:44PM FOOD TRUCKS.
07:47:44PM WE HAVE MITIGATING THROUGH 27-43, MIMICKING LANGUAGE OF THE
07:47:52PM DEFINITION THAT THE STATE USES AND MAKING THEM SPECIFIED
07:47:55PM USES.
07:47:56PM UP ON THE SCREEN ARE THE REQUIREMENTS.
07:47:58PM THE SAME ONES WE DISCUSSED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING OR WORKSHOP
07:48:02PM IN APRIL.
07:48:03PM BASICALLY FROM 6 A.M. TO 10 P.M.
07:48:05PM NO SOUND.
07:48:07PM NO ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE.
07:48:11PM NO FREE-STANDING SCENES.
07:48:12PM CAN'T TAKE A PARKING SPACE TO PARK OURSELVES IN THE
07:48:16PM LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
07:48:19PM NO SEATS OR TABLES FOR PATRONS.
07:48:21PM MAXIMUM LENGTH OF FOOD TRUCKS.
07:48:23PM MEET THE UNDERLYING SETBACKS AND 283.5 IS THE VISIBILITY
07:48:28PM ENVIRONMENT UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF CHAPTER 27.
07:48:33PM ANY QUESTIONS?
07:48:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
07:48:38PM NO, SIR.
07:48:38PM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
07:48:42PM >>CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
07:48:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:48:48PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
07:48:49PM ALL IN FAVOR.
07:48:51PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:48:52PM WOULD YOU TAKE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
07:48:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE.
07:48:56PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
07:48:59PM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATED TO FOOD
07:49:02PM TRUCKS, MAKING REVISIONS OF CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
07:49:05PM ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 23.5, SUPPLEMENTAL ENFORCEMENT
07:49:11PM PROCEDURES; AMENDING 23-5-5, SCHEDULE OF VIOLATIONINGS AND
07:49:17PM PENALTIES.
07:49:17PM AND CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT; AMENDING
07:49:21PM SECTION 27-43, DEFINITIONS; AMENDING SECTION 27-156,
07:49:27PM OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT REGULATIONS; AMENDING SECTION
07:49:31PM 27-171, DISTRICT REGULATIONSM-AP AIRPORT COMPATIBILITY
07:49:37PM DISTRICTS; AMENDING SECTION 27-184, OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF
07:49:43PM PERMITTED PRINCIPAL, ACCESSORY AND SPECIAL USES; REQUIRED
07:49:47PM OFF-STREET PARKING RATIOS BY USE; AMENDING SECTION 27-198,
07:49:53PM OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF PERMITTED PRINCIPAL, ACCESSORY AND
07:49:56PM SPECIAL USES; AMENDING SECTION 27-211.8, SCHEDULE OF
07:50:01PM PERMITTED USES BY DISTRICT; AMENDING SECTION 27-212.4,
07:50:08PM SCHEDULE OF ALLOWABLE, PERMITTED AND PROHIBITED USES BY
07:50:12PM DISTRICTS; CREATING SECTION 27-282.30, FOOD TRUCKS;
07:50:18PM REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
07:50:23PM THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN
07:50:28PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
07:50:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
07:50:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:50:32PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
07:50:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
07:50:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
07:50:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:50:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
07:50:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:50:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:50:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
07:50:42PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
07:50:45PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION SEPTEMBER 1, 2022 AT 10:30.
07:50:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, 2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
07:50:59PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
07:51:02PM AN AMENDMENT -- STATE PROHIBITED US FOR HOME OCCUPATION.
07:51:06PM WE CHANGED THE TERM TO "HOME-BASED BUSINESS."
07:51:10PM THIS IS THE REVISED DEFINITION.
07:51:12PM BASICALLY SAYING AN OCCUPATION CONDUCTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE
07:51:15PM IN A DWELLING UNIT THAT IS CLEARLY INCIDENTAL TO THE RELS
07:51:20PM USE.
07:51:20PM THE HIGHLIGHT LD CHANGES TO THE CODE, THE STATE PREVENTED US
07:51:24PM FROM REGULATING SOME THINGS BUT NOT EVERYTHING.
07:51:26PM AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN PREEMPTED, STILL
07:51:29PM REGULATING.
07:51:30PM WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED IS YOU CAN HAVE OUTSIDE EMPLOYEES NOT
07:51:33PM LIVE IN THE DWELLING UNIT WORK THERE.
07:51:35PM YOU CAN HAVE CONTRACTED EMPLOYEES OFF-SITE.
07:51:41PM YOU CAN PARK COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AT A POINT AS LONG AS THEY
07:51:45PM ARE MEETING OUR CODES, WHICH, IF YOU RECALL, TWO WEEKS AGO,
07:51:48PM WE DID HAVE SOME -- LAST WEEK WE DID HAVE 1078 LANGUAGE
07:51:52PM REGARDING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
07:51:55PM AND WE WILL ALLOW WALK-UP RETAIL TRANSACTION BECAUSE WHAT
07:51:59PM THE STATE ALLOWED FOR.
07:52:01PM A CHANGE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL -- THAT COUNCIL
07:52:05PM HAS TO ITEM NUMBER 7.
07:52:06PM SO IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS, MAKE IT WITH THIS
07:52:10PM CHANGE.
07:52:10PM ITEM NUMBER 7, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE -- READS NO COMMODITY
07:52:15PM SHOULD BE SOLD ON THE PREMISE OR DISPLAYED OR WAREHOUSED ON
07:52:19PM THE PREMISE FOR SALE ELSEWHERE.
07:52:21PM WE ASK YOU STRIKE OLD SOLD ON THE MEMPHIS.
07:52:26PM -- EXCUSE ME, SOLD ON THE PREMISE BECAUSE THE CODE WILL
07:52:30PM ALLOW -- WE CAN STILL REGULATE AND SAY YOU CAN'T USE YOUR
07:52:35PM HOUSE AS A WAREHOUSE TO SELL YOUR PRODUCT AT A THIRD
07:52:39PM LOCATION
07:52:40PM THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE CLEARED UP.
07:52:42PM IF YOU WERE INCLINED TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT AS
07:52:46PM PRESENTED, IF YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THE CHANGES
07:52:48PM TO ITEM NUMBER 7.
07:52:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
07:52:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 7?
07:53:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 7 ON THE PREVIOUS LIST.
07:53:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OH, OKAY.
07:53:04PM >>ERIC COTTON: EXCEPTION OF THE CODE, SECTION NUMBER 10,
07:53:20PM 285.
07:53:20PM -- 27-282.5, HOME OCCUPATIONS.
07:53:26PM FOR HOME-BASED --
07:53:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION.
07:53:33PM CAN YOU -- THE COUNCIL BY SAYING WHAT PART -- YOU CAN PARK
07:53:39PM AT THE HOUSE AS LONG AS IT IS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE?
07:53:42PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
07:53:43PM SO THIS WILL BE FOR COMMERCIAL -- COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.
07:53:46PM THEY WILL HAVE TO PARK IN ACCORDANCE OF THE CHANGE THAT YOU
07:53:50PM MADE LAST WEEK.
07:53:51PM AND YOU ARE HAVING SECOND READING, I BELIEVE, NEXT THURSDAY
07:53:54PM ON THAT SECTION OF THE CODE.
07:53:55PM BUT, YES, THEY WILL HAVE -- YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK IT IN
07:53:59PM YOUR DRIVEWAY WITH A TWO-TON PICKUP TRUCK.
07:54:02PM A BIG COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.
07:54:04PM THAT STILL WON'T BE ALLOWED.
07:54:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
07:54:09PM >>ERIC COTTON: ANYTHING ELSE?
07:54:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
07:54:15PM >>CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
07:54:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
07:54:21PM AND SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
07:54:22PM ALL IN FAVOR.
07:54:23PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:54:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEING PRESENTED FORE FIRST --
07:54:28PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SORRY, MR. CHAIR.
07:54:30PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
07:54:32PM IF YOU COULD IF READING THE TITLE OF THE TORD NANCE GET TO
07:54:37PM SECTION 27-282.5, IF YOU CAN INCLUDE WITH THE CHANGES TO BE
07:54:42PM MADE AS READ BY MR. COTTON.
07:54:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECTION 7 --
07:54:49PM >>ERIC COTTON: SECTION 10, NUMBER 7.
07:54:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: RIGHT.
07:54:53PM CODE SECTION 27-282.5.
07:54:57PM THE CHA I THINK TO THAT SECTION IS READ INTO THE RECORD BY
07:55:00PM MR. COTTON.
07:55:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
07:55:05PM READING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
07:55:08PM FLORIDA, RELATING TO LEGISLATIVE CHANGES REGARDING
07:55:11PM HOME-BASED BUSINESSES MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
07:55:14PM CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMEN
07:55:18PM AMENDING SECTION 27-43 DEFINITIONS; AMENDING SECTION 27-132
07:55:24PM REGULATIONS GOVERNING INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USES; AMENDING
07:55:30PM 27-156 OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT REGULATIONS; AMENDING
07:55:36PM SECTION 27-177 HISTORIC DISTRICT ESTABLISHED; AMENDING
07:55:40PM SECTION 27-184 OFFICIAL BY USE AMENDING SECTION 27-198 OF
07:55:47PM 27-198.PRINCE PAL ACCESSORY AND SPECIAL USES AND AMENDING
07:55:53PM 27-211 MUCH 8, SCHEDULE OF PERMITTED USES BY DISTRICTS
07:55:57PM AMENDING SECTION 27-212.4 SCHEDULE OF AN ALLOWABLE PERMITTED
07:56:03PM USES BY DISTRICT AMENDING SECTION 27-285 AS MENTIONED BY --
07:56:09PM BY MR. COTTON HERE.
07:56:11PM AND THAT WILL BE SECTION 10 NUMBER 7, HOME OBJECT TAKES
07:56:15PM AMENDING 27 MACHINE 283.7.
07:56:18PM NUMBER OFF-STREET PARKING SPACE PROVIDED FOR REVEAL OF ALL
07:56:23PM ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT
07:56:27PM AND SEVERABILITY.
07:56:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:56:32PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
07:56:34PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
07:56:36PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
07:56:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
07:56:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:56:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
07:56:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:56:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:56:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
07:56:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
07:56:45PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
07:56:48PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2022 AT 10:30.
07:56:53PM >>ERIC COTTON: THANK YOU.
07:56:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME WE WILL ENTER INTO OUR
07:57:01PM QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS.
07:57:02PM IF I CAN HAVE EVERYONE RISE WHO WILL BE GIVING ANY TESTIMONY
07:57:08PM TO BE SWORN IN.
07:57:09PM [SWEARING IN]
07:57:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:57:13PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-28.
07:57:20PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
07:57:21PM ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
07:57:23PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, CASE REZ-22-28 FIRST READING FOR
07:57:31PM LOCATION 407 NORTH MANHATTAN AVENUE PROPOSE READY HE ZONINGS
07:57:36PM FROM RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO PD, PLANNED
07:57:41PM DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
07:57:43PM NOW PASS IT ALONG TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
07:57:54PM >> GOOD EVENING, EMILY PHALEN WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
07:57:58PM THE SUBJECT SITE IS WITH THE WEST SHORE PLANNING DISTRICT
07:58:02PM AND WEST SHORE PLANNING NETWORK.
07:58:05PM AND THE CLOSEST TRANSIT IN GRAY STREET.
07:58:10PM CHARLES B. WILLIAMS PARK IS THE CLOSEST RECREATIONAL
07:58:13PM FACILITY LOCATED TWO BLOCKS SOUTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE
07:58:16PM AND THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN LEVEL B EVACUATION ZONE.
07:58:22PM HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT MAP -- THE SUBJECT SITE.
07:58:27PM THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN PURPLE HERE.
07:58:29PM LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST
07:58:33PM GRAY STREET AND NORTH MANHATTAN AVENUE.
07:58:35PM THIS SITE IS ONE BLOCK NORTH OF THE WEST SHORE BUSINESS
07:58:38PM CENTER WHICH ENDS RIGHT HERE.
07:58:40PM AND THREE BLOCKS EAST OF THE WEST SHORE PLAZA MALL, WHICH IS
07:58:44PM OVER HERE OUTSIDE OF THE A YELL.
07:58:45PM TO THE EAST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY
07:58:49PM DETACHED USES, APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOUSES.
07:58:52PM TO THE NORTH AND WEST ARE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED USES.
07:58:55PM HERE IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
07:59:01PM THIS SUBJECT SITE IS AGAIN OUTLINED IN PURPLE.
07:59:05PM AND IT IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL-20 DESIGNATION REPRESENTED BY
07:59:09PM THE LIGHT BROWN COLOR.
07:59:10PM THE SUBJECT SITE IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL-20 ON ALL
07:59:14PM SIDES AND FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND THE EAST IS THE DARK
07:59:17PM BROWN COLOR AND RESIDENTIAL-35 DESIGNATION.
07:59:21PM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FOUND
07:59:24PM NO ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:59:26PM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED
07:59:30PM USES TO BE LIMITED TO THE PERIPHERY OF ESTABLISHED
07:59:35PM SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
07:59:35PM THE REQUEST TO MAINTAIN THE STABILITY OF THE AREA BY
07:59:39PM EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING CHOICES WHICH IS
07:59:41PM SUPPORTED BY THE PLAN.
7:59:42PM THIS PORTION OF NORTH MANHATTAN AVENUE BETWEEN WEST 5th
7:59:44PM STREET AND WEST GRAY STREET HAS A DENSITY OF 5.66 UNITS PER
7:59:48PM ACRE.
7:59:48PM THIS PORTION OF WEST GRAY STREET BETWEEN NORTH LAUBER WAY
7:59:56PM AND NORTH HUBERT AVENUE HAS A DENSITY OF 8.45 UNITS PER
8:00:00PM ACRE.
8:00:00PM THIS IS BELOW THE DENSITY ANTICIPATED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL
8:00:05PM 20 DESIGNATION AND CAN BE CONSIDERED UNDERDEVELOPED.
8:00:08PM THE PD PROPOSES AN OVERALL DENSITY OF 19.04 UNITS PER ACRE
8:00:14PM AND MEETING THAT DENSITY BY ENTERING INTO A BONUS PROVISION
8:00:17PM AGREEMENT.
8:00:17PM THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS BELOW THE DENSITY ANTICIPATED UNDER
8:00:21PM THE RESIDENTIAL 20 DESIGNATION.
8:00:24PM THIS REQUEST SUPPORTS MANY POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
8:00:27PM PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE HOUSING OF THE CITY'S POPULATION.
8:00:30PM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES NEW HOUSING ON VACANT AND
8:00:34PM UNDERUTILIZED LAND TO ENSURE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING
8:00:37PM IS AVAILABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF TAMPA'S FUTURE AND PRESENT
8:00:40PM POPULATIONS.
8:00:40PM DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USES IN
8:00:45PM IMMEDIATE SURROUNDINGS AREA AND THE SITE SURROUNDED BY
8:00:48PM RESIDENTIAL 20, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST
8:00:51PM COMPARABLE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND IS
8:00:54PM CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ENCOURAGED UNDER THE
8:00:57PM RESIDENTIAL 20 DESIGNATION.
8:00:58PM THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
8:01:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
8:01:02PM ANY COMMENTS?
8:01:03PM THANK YOU.
8:01:10PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
8:01:12PM AS I'LL SHOW THE OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, I'LL SPEAK
8:01:19PM MORE TO IT.
8:01:24PM YOU'LL SEE THE PROPERTY IS HERE OUTLINED IN RED WITH WEST
8:01:28PM GRAY STREET TO THE NORTH.
8:01:30PM NORTH MANHATTAN RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH TO THE WEST.
8:01:33PM YOU HAVE NORTH HUBERT TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH AS YOU'LL
8:01:40PM SEE A MIX OF PD, RM-18, RM-16, WITH WEST NORTH B STREET HERE
8:01:47PM TO THE SOUTH.
8:01:48PM THE LOCATION AT 407 NORTH MANHATTAN AVENUE HAS PROPOSED
8:01:54PM REZONING FROM RS 50, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD,
8:01:57PM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE
8:02:00PM PROPERTY WITH RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USES.
8:02:04PM THE LOT AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 8,939 SQUARE FEET OR .21
8:02:12PM ACRES.
8:02:13PM THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A RESIDENTIAL
8:02:17PM SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING.
8:02:19PM THE PROPERTY IS IN THE GENERAL AREA SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT
8:02:21PM SITE ARE DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY USES,
8:02:26PM NORTH, SOUTH, WEST, AND EAST.
8:02:29PM THE PROPERTY IS -- PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ARE ZONED PD AND
8:02:33PM RM-18.
8:02:35PM THE LOTS TO THE SOUTH ARE ZONED RS-50 AND THE LOTS TO THE
8:02:43PM EAST ARE ALSO ZONED RS-50 AND THE LOTS TO THE WEST ARE ZONED
8:02:48PM RM-18.
8:02:51PM THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS FOR ONE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
8:02:54PM ATTACHED BUILDING, AS I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE SITE PLAN TO
8:02:57PM COME, WITH A TOTAL OF FOUR RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS ON THE
8:03:01PM SUBJECT PROPERTY.
8:03:04PM AS YOU'LL SEE HERE, YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN.
8:03:08PM SO THE ONE BUILDING WITH FOUR UNITS.
8:03:13PM THE SETBACKS HERE ARE TO THE NORTH 10 FEET.
8:03:17PM TO THE SOUTH 15 FEET.
8:03:19PM EAST, 9 FEET, AND TO THE WEST 16 FEET.
8:03:22PM THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS PROPOSED AT 40 FEET, AND
8:03:27PM VEHICULAR ACCESS COMING FROM WEST GRAY STREET.
8:03:31PM I'LL NOW SHOW YOU THE ELEVATIONS ON THE SITE PLAN.
8:03:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. HUSAIN, WOULD YOU PLEASE PUT THAT BACK
8:03:41PM ON THE ELMO AND COULD YOU ZOOM OUT SO I CAN SEE EVERYTHING
8:03:45PM IN THERE, PLEASE?
8:03:47PM OKAY.
8:04:01PM GREAT.
8:04:02PM THANK YOU.
8:04:05PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: VEHICULAR ACCESS FROM WEST GRAY STREET.
8:04:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. HUSAIN.
8:04:09PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: NO PROBLEM.
8:04:11PM AS I'LL SHOW YOU THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED, ELEVATION TO THE
8:04:17PM NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST.
8:04:27PM YOU'LL SEE THE PICTURES TAKEN OF THE ACTUAL RIGHT NOW WITH
8:04:38PM ONE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
8:04:41PM SIGN RIGHT HERE IN THE FRONT.
8:04:43PM ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE SITE.
8:04:55PM YOU'LL SEE MORE EXAMPLE OF RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
8:05:02PM ATTACHED TO THE NORTH.
8:05:06PM ALSO TO THE NORTH YOU'LL SEE GRAY STREET AND MORE
8:05:15PM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
8:05:24PM TO THE NORTHEAST YOU ALSO SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
8:05:27PM ATTACHED RUNNING ALONG THE NORTHEAST.
8:05:29PM THESE ARE THE ADAGIO TOWNHOMES TO THE EAST.
8:05:45PM AND TO THE WEST YOU SEE THEY ARE ALSO BUILDING TOWNHOMES TO
8:05:53PM THE WEST.
8:05:53PM THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ONE WAIVER, AND THAT IS TO REDUCE
8:06:01PM THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FROM NINE PARKING SPACES TO
8:06:04PM EIGHT PARKING SPACES.
8:06:05PM NOW, UPON CONCLUSION DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF
8:06:09PM HAS REVIEWED THE CASE AND FINDS THE REQUEST TO BE
8:06:11PM INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
8:06:14PM IF IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO APPROVE THE PROJECT, THE
8:06:19PM APPLICANT MUST MAKE MODIFICATIONS AS THE REVISION SHEET
8:06:24PM STATES IN THE STAFF REPORT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
8:06:26PM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
8:06:28PM THANK YOU.
8:06:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
8:06:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: ZAIN, SORRY IF I MISSED IT, BUT COULD YOU
8:06:34PM SHOW US WHAT'S ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER?
8:06:36PM I SAW THE AERIAL VIEW, BUT I CAN'T -- I DON'T REMEMBER THAT
8:06:40PM STREET EXACTLY.
8:06:41PM IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING?
8:06:44PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: LET'S SEE.
8:06:45PM TO THE WEST.
8:06:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: TO THE NORTHWEST.
8:06:48PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THIS IS TO THE WEST.
8:06:49PM THIS IS JUST A FRAMING --
8:06:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE CATTY-CORNER.
8:06:55PM IF THE PROPERTY IS HERE ACROSS THE ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE.
8:07:00PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: TO THE NORTHEAST.
8:07:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: ON THE NORTHWEST.
8:07:02PM CAN YOU PUT THE AERIAL UP?
8:07:04PM SO LOOK TO THE NORTHWEST, GO UP THERE, WHAT IS THAT.
8:07:25PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THOSE ARE THE TOWNHOMES BEING BUILT TO THE
8:07:27PM NORTHWEST.
8:07:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
8:07:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
8:07:31PM PETITIONER?
8:07:52PM >>STEVE MICHELINI: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
8:07:53PM STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER ON THE PROJECT
8:07:57PM AT 407 NORTH MANHATTAN.
8:07:59PM AS THE STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, THIS IS SURROUNDED, FOR THE
8:08:02PM MOST PART, BY TOWN HOUSES AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
8:08:05PM WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THIS IS A 20 DEVELOPMENT UNITS TO THE
8:08:12PM ACRE.
8:08:13PM THERE IS A BONUS PROVISION THAT'S BEING PROVIDED THAT'S BEEN
8:08:15PM APPROVED AND REVIEWED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA DEVELOPMENT AND
8:08:19PM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
8:08:20PM IT'S IN AN AREA THAT ALREADY IS UNDER TRANSITION.
8:08:25PM LET ME SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS AND ZAIN POINTED OUT THE
8:08:29PM ONE ISSUE THAT TRANSPORTATION HAD REDUCING THE PARKING FROM
8:08:35PM EIGHT -- FROM NINE REQUIRED TO EIGHT BEING PROVIDED.
8:08:38PM THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT IT'S A VERY SHALLOW -- IT'S A
8:08:45PM VERY SHALLOW LOT.
8:08:47PM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PINK DIAGRAMS HERE, THE PROPERTY LINE
8:08:51PM IS RIGHT HERE, AND YOU CAN'T COUNT THE VISITOR PARKING
8:08:57PM SPACES THAT ARE HERE, HERE, HERE AND HERE.
8:09:00PM THERE'S EIGHT BEING PROVIDED FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH IS TWO
8:09:03PM ENCLOSED WITHIN THE GARAGE SPACE, AND THEN THERE'S TWO
8:09:07PM ADDITIONAL SPACES.
8:09:10PM BUT YOU HAVE ALMOST 30 FEET, IT'S 29.9 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF
8:09:15PM THE BUILDING TO THE EDGE OF THE CURB HERE.
8:09:17PM SO WE'RE PROVIDING THE FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK, SO THE CARS THAT
8:09:20PM WOULD PARK HERE WOULD NOT OVERHANG ONTO THE SIDEWALK.
8:09:25PM THERE'S 20 FEET BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE GARAGE AND THE EDGE
8:09:29PM OF THE SIDEWALK.
8:09:31PM SO THEY COULDN'T APPROVE THIS BECAUSE THE TEN FEET HERE IS
8:09:38PM IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
8:09:43PM THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROVISIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
8:09:47PM POINTED OUT THAT WERE CONSISTENT.
8:09:49PM WE ARE DEVELOPING -- REQUESTING DEVELOP FOUR UNITS ON THIS
8:09:53PM PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 8,900 SQUARE FEET OF
8:09:58PM PROPERTY TO DEVELOP THAT IN.
8:09:59PM WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE LAND USE CRITERIA, IT INDICATES THAT
8:10:05PM YOU SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
8:10:08PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY POINTED THAT OUT AS WELL
8:10:10PM AS THE CITY STAFF THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
8:10:13PM WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING A NEW DEVELOPMENT SIZE, STYLE, OR
8:10:17PM MASSING, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION
8:10:20PM REPORT AS WELL AS THE CITY STAFF REPORT.
8:10:23PM AGAIN, AS I SAID, THE ONLY EXCEPTION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR
8:10:26PM IS THE REDUCTION OF THE VISITOR SPACE, WHICH WE CAN'T COUNT
8:10:31PM BECAUSE OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THE LOT.
8:10:32PM WENT BACK THROUGH THE AREA AND LOOK AT IT, IT'S IN THE
8:10:38PM TRANSITION AREA, I REMEMBER -- YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE
8:10:42PM LOWEST AREA NORTH OF KENNEDY UP TO THE INTERSTATE AND YOU
8:10:46PM SAW THAT HUGE SWATH OF PROPERTIES JUST SOUTH OF THE
8:10:51PM INTERSTATE THAT THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
8:10:55PM PURCHASED FOR ADDITIONAL TRANSIT, A CORRIDOR THAT COULD BE
8:10:59PM THE FUTURE MULTIMODAL STATION.
8:11:03PM ANYWAY, THOSE ARE ALL IN THE PLANS.
8:11:05PM THE GROUND ENTRANCES OF THE PROPERTY DO FACE THE STREET AS
8:11:09PM REQUIRED.
8:11:11PM THE AUTOMOBILE STORAGE IS TWO ENCLOSED PARKING SPACES WHICH
8:11:14PM IS REQUIRED AND PROMOTE -- I'M GOING THROUGH THE CRITERIA
8:11:20PM NOW, TO PROMOTE THE EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE USE OF THE
8:11:23PM LAND AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
8:11:25PM AND IT WAS FOUND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
8:11:27PM THE PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY SOUTH AND EAST, ZONED FOR
8:11:31PM MULTIFAMILY AND ALL AROUND THERE.
8:11:34PM AS I SAID, THIS IS A TRANSITION AREA.
8:11:36PM ALLOW THE INTEGRATION OF DIFFERENT USES AND DENSITIES, AND
8:11:42PM WE WERE FOUND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AS WELL.
8:11:44PM WE'RE SEEKING TO PROVIDE A SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USES IN
8:11:47PM THIS AREA WHICH WILL ALL BE INDIVIDUALLY DEEDED.
8:11:51PM ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHANGING NEEDS IN TECHNOLOGIES.
8:11:54PM WE'VE DONE THAT, AND CONSISTENT WITH THAT, INCLUDING THE
8:11:59PM REQUIREMENT OR THE ENCOURAGEMENT TO PROVIDE INFILL HOUSING.
8:12:02PM I THINK WE'VE ALL HEARD THE HUE AND CRY REGARDING THE NEED
8:12:06PM FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING.
8:12:08PM ENCOURAGE THE FLEXIBILITY IN LAND DEVELOPMENT DENSITY WHICH
8:12:11PM REDUCES TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
8:12:14PM THIS AREA IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF OTHER AREAS.
8:12:18PM HOWEVER, WE DO PROVIDE THE PARKING ON THE SPACES, ON THE
8:12:22PM PROPERTY AS REQUIRED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE VISITOR
8:12:26PM SPACE.
8:12:27PM PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT WHERE APPROPRIATE IN
8:12:29PM LOCATION AND CHARACTER.
8:12:30PM THIS PROPOSAL IS COMPATIBLE IN THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL
8:12:34PM NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
8:12:35PM PROMOTE THE MORE DESIRABLE LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS.
8:12:39PM THIS ALSO IS WITHIN EASY COMMUTATION WITH ACCESS TO THE
8:12:46PM INTERSTATE VIA WESTSHORE AND ALSO LOIS AS WELL AS KENNEDY TO
8:12:49PM THE SOUTH.
8:12:50PM PROMOTE THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, AND WE ALREADY WENT
8:12:54PM THROUGH THAT AND WE FOUND THAT THE SIZE, SCALE, AND DENSITY
8:12:57PM AND MASSING WERE ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
8:13:02PM THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED THEREFORE THE NEED OF THE WAIVER.
8:13:06PM I THINK WE DEMONSTRATED THAT THE LOT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
8:13:09PM DIMENSIONS ON THE SITE PLAN, ZAIN, CAN I HAVE THE SITE PLAN
8:13:14PM FOR A SECOND?
8:13:15PM WE HAVE THE WIDTH THAT'S REQUIRED FOR ALL OF THE UNITS, BUT
8:13:35PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIMENSIONS, WE'RE FAIRLY SHALLOW HERE.
8:13:40PM WE'RE ONLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS DIMENSION RIGHT HERE, IT'S A
8:13:46PM LITTLE OVER -- IT'S ALMOST 70 FEET, WHICH IS NORMALLY ON
8:13:50PM OTHER LOTS WITHOUT THIS DENSITY, IT WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE
8:13:54PM BEEN A HUNDRED FEET DEEP.
8:13:58PM I HAVE TALKED TO JONATHAN SCOTT REGARDING THE USE OF THAT
8:14:04PM AREA THAT PARKS ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THAT IS THEIR
8:14:08PM OBJECTION, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION IN BEING ABLE
8:14:11PM TO WAIVE THAT ONE SPACE WITH THE IDEA THAT ACCORDING TO THAT
8:14:21PM DIAGRAM, WE'RE 20 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK, WHICH
8:14:28PM IS 18 FEET IS NORMALLY REQUIRED, BUT 10 OF THAT IS IN THE
8:14:32PM RIGHT-OF-WAY.
8:14:34PM WE'RE SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I WOULD REFER
8:14:42PM YOU TO THEIR DOCUMENTS WHICH INDICATE THE GOALS AND
8:14:46PM OBJECTIVES.
8:14:47PM AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE RECEIVED AND FILED AND
8:14:50PM MADE PART OF THIS RECORD, AND I DON'T REALLY WANT TO HAVE TO
8:14:55PM READ ALL OF THEM, BUT LAND USE OBJECTIVE 2.1, 2.1.2, 4.1,
8:15:01PM 4.3.6, 8.14.
8:15:05PM 8.141.
8:15:07PM 8.142.
8:15:08PM OBJECTIVE OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, 9.2.
8:15:12PM 9.21, 9.26.
8:15:15PM 9.35.
8:15:17PM 9.38.
8:15:18PM LAND USE SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS OBJECTIVES 9.5, 9.51, 9.53.
8:15:24PM ADEQUATE SITES TO ACCOMMODATE HOUSING AND INFILL, 1.3, 1.31,
8:15:31PM 1.33, 1.34.
8:15:35PM THE ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS ENCOURAGED IN THE
8:15:39PM RESIDENTIAL 20 DESIGNATION, MORE SPECIFICALLY THE
8:15:42PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GENERALLY ENCOURAGES SINGLE-FAMILY
8:15:44PM ATTACHED UNITS LIMITED TO THE PERIPHERY OF THESE
8:15:47PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
8:15:47PM HOWEVER, THIS IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER MULTIFAMILY AREAS THAT
8:15:51PM ARE ALREADY IN THIS AREA, SO WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING A NEW
8:15:56PM STYLE OR DEVELOPMENT.
8:16:00PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND IT CONSISTENT.
8:16:02PM THE CITY FOUND IT INCONSISTENT BECAUSE OF THE ONE PARKING
8:16:05PM SPACE WAIVER.
8:16:07PM RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL.
8:16:10PM ALSO, WITH ALL OF THE NOTICES THAT WENT OUT, WE DID NOT
8:16:13PM RECEIVE ANY CALLS, E-MAILS, OR MESSAGES REGARDING ANY
8:16:17PM CONCERNS OR OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
8:16:19PM I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
8:16:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
8:16:24PM IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC -- IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE
8:16:30PM TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
8:16:31PM TO FILE REZ-22-28, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6.
8:16:38PM >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
8:16:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:16:42PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:16:44PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:16:46PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
8:16:47PM MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
8:16:56PM >> HAVE TO READ IT.
8:16:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE?
8:17:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: I DO FEEL COMFORTABLE, SIR, YES.
8:17:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
8:17:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
8:17:04PM THANK YOU, SIR.
8:17:06PM I FORWARD AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
8:17:09PM CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
8:17:12PM VICINITY OF 407 NORTH MANHATTAN AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF
8:17:15PM TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
8:17:19PM --
8:17:23PM [ENCODER DISCONNECT]
8:17:42PM >>THE CLERK: MANISCALCO?
8:17:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
8:17:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
8:17:45PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, SECOND READING AND
8:17:48PM ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 15, 2022, AT 9:30 A.M.
8:17:52PM >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
8:17:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:17:54PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE GAVEL AND
8:17:58PM FILE NUMBER AB2-21-32.
8:18:03PM I FIND AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION THAT I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF
8:18:07PM AS I AM A MEMBER OF THIS CLUB.
8:18:10PM THANK YOU.
8:18:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UH-HUH.
8:18:12PM MR. HUSAIN.
8:18:15PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
8:18:16PM ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
8:18:19PM AGENDA 8, CASE AB2-21-32, IT IS BEING HEARD FOR FIRST
8:18:23PM READING CONSIDERATION FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 OR ALCOHOLIC
8:18:27PM BEVERAGE SALES, LARGE VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.
8:18:31PM THIS IS REQUEST FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AT THE LOCATION
8:18:35PM 601 NORTH 19th STREET.
8:18:40PM I'LL NOW GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
8:18:45PM AS YOU SEE, THE PROPERTY HERE OUTLINED IN RED.
8:18:56PM TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE THE INTERSTATE, ALSO YBOR.
8:19:01PM TO THE WEST YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL, ALSO ACROSS THE WATERWAY,
8:19:06PM YOU HAVE CHANNELSIDE, TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE MORE INDUSTRIAL,
8:19:09PM AND TO THE EAST YOU HAVE THE INTERSTATE AND MORE INDUSTRIAL
8:19:15PM OUT THERE.
8:19:15PM NOW, THE PROPOSED USE IS FOR A CLUB.
8:19:21PM THE INDOOR SPACE WILL BE 6,610 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST
8:19:25PM FLOOR, AND 2,170 SQUARE FEET ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
8:19:29PM OUTDOORS YOU'LL HAVE 2,173 SQUARE FEET FOR TOTAL AB SALES
8:19:35PM AREA OF 10,953 SQUARE FEET.
8:19:38PM AS YOU'LL SEE -- I'LL SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN -- YOU'LL SEE
8:19:56PM VEHICULAR ACCESS COMES FROM NORTH 19th STREET.
8:20:01PM NOW, THE REQUIRED PARKING, THE REQUIRED PARKING IS FOR 122
8:20:05PM SPACES AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 86 PARKING SPACES,
8:20:08PM WHICH WILL REQUIRE A WAIVER.
8:20:10PM THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH
8:20:12PM CHAPTER 14.
8:20:14PM NOW, FOR THE PROPOSED WAIVERS WE HAVE TWO.
8:20:17PM SECTION 27-283.7 TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED PARKING FROM 122
8:20:22PM REQUIRED SPACES TO THE 86, AND IN THE SECOND ONE, AS I
8:20:26PM MENTIONED TO THE NORTH YOU HAD YBOR, BUT ALSO ALONG TO THE
8:20:29PM NORTH YOU ALSO HAVE A CITGO GAS STATION UP THERE WHICH IS
8:20:34PM 965 SQUARE FEET, SORRY, 965 FEET AWAY WHICH REQUIRES A
8:20:39PM WAIVER OF NOT BEING A THOUSAND FEET.
8:20:41PM I'LL SHOW YOU THE SECOND PAGE HERE.
8:20:53PM YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND FLOOR BEING PROPOSED.
8:20:58PM AND ALSO I'LL ZOOM IN AND YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATIONS
8:21:03PM PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
8:21:06PM NORTHWEST, SOUTHWEST, SOUTHEAST, AND NORTHEAST VIEWS OF THE
8:21:21PM SITE.
8:21:22PM AS I WENT OUT TO THE SITE, PICTURES I TOOK.
8:21:33PM ON NORTH 19th STREET RIGHT HERE, YOU'LL SEE THE INTERSTATE
8:21:43PM AND ALSO YBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE.
8:21:48PM TO THE WEST INDUSTRIAL WE TALKED ABOUT.
8:21:57PM TO THE SOUTH MORE INDUSTRIAL.
8:22:03PM THE SUBJECT SITE ITSELF, YOU HAVE THE SIGN OF THE ROUGH
8:22:14PM RIDERS.
8:22:15PM AND ALSO ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE AND YOU'LL SEE THE ROUGH
8:22:21PM RIDERS SIGN AND THE PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE FRONT.
8:22:26PM THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
8:22:31PM APPLICATION AND FINDS THE REQUEST TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH
8:22:34PM THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
8:22:37PM NOW, IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL, MINOR MODIFICATIONS MUST BE
8:22:40PM MADE TO THE SITE PLAN AS STATED ON THE REVISION SHEET.
8:22:43PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
8:22:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
8:22:48PM NO.
8:22:49PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:22:50PM YES, SIR.
8:22:52PM GO AHEAD.
8:23:01PM >> I'M RICHARD CALIFANO WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE
8:23:04PM ROUGH RIDERS.
8:23:05PM >> I'M JOSEPH DATO. I'M THE CURRENT VICE PRESIDENT.
8:23:08PM I'LL BE PRESIDENT NEXT YEAR AND ALSO THE ROUGH RIDER
8:23:11PM ATTORNEY.
8:23:12PM >> SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR CLARIFICATION.
8:23:17PM THIS HERE IS THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE FROM DECEMBER OF '89
8:23:22PM APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL THAT GAVE US THE WET ZONING WE
8:23:26PM CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE SMALL UPSTAIRS AREA THAT MR. HUSAIN
8:23:30PM WAS POINTING OUT.
8:23:35PM WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE A CLUB LICENSE ONLY FOR THAT AREA.
8:23:38PM AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN.
8:23:41PM WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN EXPANDING IT OTHER THAN EXPANDING OUR
8:23:44PM FOOTPRINT.
8:23:45PM IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
8:23:48PM AT THE TIME IN '89 WHEN WE HAD THAT, WE PROBABLY HAD ABOUT
8:23:53PM 50 MEMBERS SO THAT WORKFORCE.
8:23:55PM NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 550.
8:23:58PM EVEN IF ONLY 10% OF OUR MEMBERS SHOW UP AND WANT TO BRING A
8:24:03PM GUEST, WE JUST CAN'T SIMPLY FIT INTO THAT SPACE ANY LONGER.
8:24:06PM JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS.
8:24:11PM THIS IS WHAT THE UPSTAIRS CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE HERE.
8:24:15PM THIS IS THE UPSTAIRS BAR AND A COUPLE OF POOL TABLES.
8:24:21PM YOU CAN SEE IT'S RATHER SMALL.
8:24:25PM AND THIS IS THE DOWN STAIRS AREA WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE
8:24:32PM ADDED.
8:24:35PM LOOKING TO THE EAST AND THIS IS LOOKING TO THE WEST.
8:24:40PM THE ONLY OTHER THINGS I WOULD ADD BEFORE I PASS IT ON TO
8:24:45PM MR. DATO IS SOME OF WHAT WE DO IN THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE A
8:24:49PM 501(C)(3) NONPROFIT.
8:24:51PM ONE OF OUR MAIN THINGS IS THE COLLECTION AND DISTRIBUTION OF
8:24:55PM TEDDY BEARS THROUGHOUT TAMPA BAY, ESPECIALLY TO CHILDREN,
8:25:00PM WOMEN IN HOSPITALS.
8:25:01PM THIS IS A TEDDY BEAR RUN WHERE WE DELIVER THEM.
8:25:05PM THAT'S AT ST. JOSEPH'S.
8:25:08PM WE ARE DOING THE SAME THING HERE AT THE LAVOY EXCEPTIONAL
8:25:15PM CENTER SCHOOL.
8:25:15PM AND OUR COLLECTIONS AT KINDNESS DAY DOWN AT NEWS CHANNEL 8.
8:25:23PM WE ALSO SUPPORT AND ARE THE LARGEST SUPPLIER OF MANPOWER
8:25:28PM SPECIAL OLYMPICS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
8:25:29PM TURN IT OVER TO JOE IN CASE HE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY OR ANY
8:25:36PM QUESTIONS.
8:25:36PM >> I THINK RICK HAS KIND OF SUMMED UP EVERYTHING I WAS GOING
8:25:40PM TO SAY.
8:25:40PM BASICALLY, WE ARE A LARGE ORGANIZATION.
8:25:42PM WE'RE NOW 570 MEMBERS.
8:25:44PM AND WE JUST NEED MORE SPACE.
8:25:47PM OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS DURING THE WEEK AND
8:25:50PM DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THAT ARE ALL DEVOTED TO FUND-RAISING
8:25:53PM AND UPSTAIRS BAR IS USED BY ONE AND WE NEEDED ANOTHER
8:25:57PM DOWNSTAIRS.
8:25:58PM REALLY, THAT'S OUR IDEA.
8:25:59PM IT WAS THE OLD SPICOLA HARDWARE BUILDING.
8:26:02PM STARTED OUT AS A WAREHOUSE AND WE TOOK IT OVER AS A
8:26:04PM CLUBHOUSE JUST USING THE UPSTAIRS AS A BAR, BUT NOW WE
8:26:08PM DECIDED WE REALLY NEED TO GROW.
8:26:10PM THAT REALLY BECAME APPARENT DURING THE COVID SOCIAL
8:26:13PM DISTANCING RESTRICTIONS.
8:26:15PM WE HAD TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD COME TO OUR
8:26:17PM MEETINGS.
8:26:18PM SO WE DECIDED WE REALLY NEEDED TO MOVE THIS DOWNSTAIRS.
8:26:21PM WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU SUPPORT OUR APPLICATION.
8:26:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
8:26:25PM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY -- HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON
8:26:30PM THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 8?
8:26:32PM >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
8:26:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
8:26:36PM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
8:26:38PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
8:26:39PM ALL IN FAVOR.
8:26:41PM >> AYE.
8:26:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, ITEM NUMBER 8.
8:26:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR.
8:26:46PM LIKE TO MOVE FILE AB 2-21-32, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
8:26:52PM FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL
8:26:54PM USE PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES LARGE VENUE
8:26:58PM CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
8:27:02PM BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND
8:27:05PM LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT, OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED
8:27:08PM AT 601 NORTH 19th STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE
8:27:12PM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3, PROVIDING THAT ALL
8:27:14PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
8:27:17PM REPEALING ORDINANCE 1989-306; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
8:27:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
8:27:24PM CARLSON.
8:27:25PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:27:27PM IS IT TRUE THAT YOUR FOUNDER IS CHARLIE SPICOLA?
8:27:31PM >> YES.
8:27:31PM >> FORMER CITY COUNCIL.
8:27:33PM >> THIS WOULD BE OUR FOUNDER HERE STILL SUPPORTING US AT ONE
8:27:35PM OF THE PARADES.
8:27:36PM >> 84 YEARS OLD.
8:27:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT HAS NO BEARING ON YOUR VOTE, RIGHT?
8:27:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, NO.
8:27:42PM JUST A LITTLE HISTORY THING.
8:27:43PM >> HE ALSO IS A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN CLUB AND A
8:27:47PM FEW OTHER THINGS.
8:27:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, I'M NOT A MEMBER.
8:27:54PM >> YOU HAVE TO BE SOMEBODY IMPORTANT TO BE A MEMBER.
8:27:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY IMPORTANT.
8:27:57PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
8:27:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
8:27:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
8:27:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
8:28:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
8:28:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
8:28:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
8:28:05PM >> AND CITRO?
8:28:07PM MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO ABSTAINING.
8:28:09PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 15,
8:28:12PM 2022, AT 9:30 A.M.
8:28:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
8:28:18PM ITEM NUMBER 13.
8:28:24PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
8:28:25PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE REZ-22-54, THIS IS BEING
8:28:30PM PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION AT A LOCATION 1505
8:28:34PM EAST COMANCHE AVENUE AND FOLIO NUMBER 150,327.0050, PROPOSED
8:28:43PM REZONING FROM SH-RS, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, RESIDENTIAL
8:28:46PM SINGLE-FAMILY, TO SH-PD, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED
8:28:50PM DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
8:28:53PM I'LL PASS ALONG TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
8:29:00PM >> JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
8:29:03PM FIRST, I NEED TO MAKE A CORRECTION ON THE RECORD.
8:29:05PM THE MAP INCLUDED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT WAS
8:29:07PM MISSING A FOLIO NUMBER.
8:29:10PM I'M GOING TO PLACE ON THE ELMO THE CORRECTED MAP THAT THIS
8:29:14PM WAS POINTED OUT TO ME BY THE APPLICANT, SO WE DID CORRECT
8:29:18PM THAT MAP TO MAKE SURE THAT EASTERN FOLIO WAS INCLUDED.
8:29:21PM I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION OR THE
8:29:26PM ERROR.
8:29:27PM THIS IS LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT IN
8:29:29PM THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE.
8:29:30PM GIDDENS PARK IS THE CLOSEST PUBLIC RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
8:29:34PM IT'S ABOUT .33 MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE.
8:29:37PM IT IS NOT WITHIN AN EVACUATION ZONE AND THERE IS TRANSIT AT
8:29:41PM THE CORNER OF EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE AND NORTH 15th
8:29:44PM STREET, SERVED BY HART ROUTE 34.
8:29:47PM SO THERE'S ACTUALLY -- THIS IS A WALMART SHOPPING CENTER TO
8:29:51PM THE EAST OF THE SITE.
8:29:52PM WE HAVE GAS STATIONS AND COMMERCIAL USES ALONG EAST
8:29:55PM HILLSBOROUGH.
8:29:55PM AND THEN AS ONE MOVES NORTH OF EAST HILLSBOROUGH, AND THIS
8:29:59PM IS NORTH 15th STREET HERE, IT TURNS INTO MORE OF A
8:30:02PM SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
8:30:06PM SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL 10.
8:30:09PM THAT RED COLOR DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THE SITE IS COMMUNITY
8:30:14PM COMMERCIAL 35.
8:30:15PM THAT'S WHERE THE WALMART IS AND WHERE A LOT OF THOSE
8:30:17PM COMMERCIAL USES ARE.
8:30:18PM SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS BUTTING RIGHT UP
8:30:23PM AGAINST A FUTURE LAND USE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE COMMERCIAL
8:30:25PM USES.
8:30:26PM THAT'S ALSO THE PREDOMINANT LAND USE ALONG THE EAST
8:30:28PM HILLSBOROUGH CORRIDOR.
8:30:29PM THE ORANGE COLOR, RESIDENTIAL 10 IS THE SINGLE-FAMILY
8:30:31PM DETACHED TYPICALLY, AND THAT'S THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:30:34PM SO THE REQUEST IS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOMES IN
8:30:39PM THE RESIDENTIAL 10 DESIGNATION.
8:30:41PM DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY SAYING THAT ATTACHED
8:30:44PM TOWNHOMES CAN BE CONSIDERED IF THEY CAN MITIGATE THEIR
8:30:47PM IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S LU POLICY 9.3.5 ALSO
8:30:57PM KIND OF SOLIDIFYING THAT.
8:30:59PM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DID FIND THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT
8:31:01PM WITH THE UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
8:31:04PM RESIDENTIAL 10 DOESN'T ALLOW TOWNHOMES IN ALL AREAS, BUT IN
8:31:07PM THIS AREA, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR
8:31:11PM AND THE SOMEWHAT OF THE EDGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE
8:31:14PM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOUND THAT IT WAS COMPARABLE AND
8:31:17PM COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
8:31:20PM IT IS AT A DENSITY OF 9.75 UNITS PER ACRE.
8:31:23PM THAT IS IN ALIGN WITH THE DENSITY ANTICIPATED UNDER THE
8:31:26PM RESIDENTIAL 10 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
8:31:29PM AND THE DESIGN IS PROPOSING FRONT PORCHES, SIDEWALKS, AND WE
8:31:36PM FOUND THAT WAS REALLY SIMILAR TO SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED USES
8:31:39PM IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
8:31:40PM AGAIN, IT MEETS ALL OF THOSE HOUSING POLICIES.
8:31:44PM WE'RE PUTTING MORE HOUSING ON VACANT AND UNDERUTILIZED LAND
8:31:47PM TO PROVIDE FOR TAMPA'S GROWING POPULATION WHICH IS WHAT THE
8:31:50PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY
8:31:53PM QUESTIONS.
8:31:54PM I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
8:31:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. MALONE?
8:31:58PM THANK YOU.
8:32:00PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
8:32:02PM CASE REZ 22-54.
8:32:05PM I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE SITE PLAN FIRST.
8:32:08PM OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE PROPERTY YOU SEE HERE.
8:32:14PM EAST COMANCHE TO THE NORTH.
8:32:16PM EAST MOHAWK AVENUE TO THE SOUTH.
8:32:20PM TO THE EAST HERE YOU HAVE A WALMART SUPERCENTER AND TO THE
8:32:24PM WEST YOU HAVE NORTH 15th STREET.
8:32:26PM I'LL SHOW AN IN-DEPTH VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN.
8:32:37PM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS FOR 18 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
8:32:47PM ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS.
8:32:50PM THE SUBJECT LOT AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 80,378 SQUARE FEET OR
8:32:56PM 1.845 ACRES.
8:32:58PM CURRENTLY, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY USE
8:33:03PM STRUCTURE THERE AT THIS TIME.
8:33:05PM WHICH WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND TOWNHOMES WILL TAKE ITS PLACE
8:33:11PM IF APPROVED.
8:33:12PM I'LL NOW GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE AERIAL VIEW.
8:33:19PM THE BIG WALMART TO THE EAST HERE.
8:33:25PM TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST ARE ZONED SH-RS, AND THEY HAVE
8:33:30PM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY USES.
8:33:33PM TO THE EAST IS SH-RS AND SH-CI WHICH HAS THE RESIDENTIAL
8:33:38PM SINGLE-FAMILY AS WELL AS THE RETAIL CENTER WALMART.
8:33:42PM THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS ZONED SH-CI AND IS DEVELOPED
8:33:45PM WITH A MEDICAL OFFICE.
8:33:48PM AND FOR THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS
8:33:52PM PROPOSING TO HAVE 35 FEET OR TWO STORIES BE PROPOSED TO BE
8:33:56PM DEVELOPED.
8:33:57PM NOW, VEHICULAR ACCESS.
8:33:58PM VEHICULAR ACCESS AS I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE SITE PLAN ONE MORE
8:34:02PM TIME, THERE ARE TWO POINTS OF VEHICLE ACCESS HERE.
8:34:10PM SO FROM EAST COMANCHE ACCESS AND ALSO FROM EAST MOHAWK
8:34:16PM AVENUE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE SITE.
8:34:20PM SETBACKS, TO THE NORTH IS 25 FEET.
8:34:23PM TO THE SOUTH 31 FEET.
8:34:25PM EAST 19 FEET AND WEST 11 FEET.
8:34:28PM THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 36 PARKING SPACES HERE AND
8:34:33PM SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT BY
8:34:36PM PROVIDING 41 PARKING SPACES.
8:34:39PM I'LL SHOW THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE
8:34:49PM SITE PLAN.
8:34:50PM YOU HAVE THE NORTH ELEVATION.
8:35:00PM YOU HAVE THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND THEN YOU HAVE THE EAST AND
8:35:06PM THE WEST ELEVATION.
8:35:11PM AS I WENT OUT TO THE SITE, YOU'LL SEE WHAT CURRENTLY STANDS.
8:35:20PM THE SITE TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND THE
8:35:26PM TREES.
8:35:27PM TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
8:35:37PM THE SITE AS IS, YOU SEE THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME
8:35:46PM THAT CURRENTLY RESIDES THERE.
8:35:48PM THE SITE TO THE WEST.
8:35:59PM AND SITES TO THE NORTHWEST.
8:36:06PM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
8:36:11PM THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOUR WAIVERS SO WE HAVE TWO FROM
8:36:19PM NATURAL RESOURCES.
8:36:20PM ONE FROM URBAN DESIGN, AND YOU ALSO HAVE ONE FROM
8:36:23PM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
8:36:24PM UPON REVIEW OF THE SITE AND THE CASE, CITY COUNCIL STAFF FOR
8:36:33PM DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
8:36:35PM PETITION AND FINDS THE OVERALL REQUEST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH
8:36:37PM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
8:36:39PM NOW, AT THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU APPROVE IT, THE
8:36:43PM APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE REVISIONS BY THE REVISION SHEET
8:36:47PM BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
8:36:48PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
8:36:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSAIN?
8:36:54PM PETITIONER?
8:37:02PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
8:37:04PM CLAYTON BRICKLEMYER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL WARD
8:37:07PM HENDERSON, 101 EAST KENNEDY.
8:37:10PM I AM HAPPY TO BE BRINGING YOU THIS PROJECT.
8:37:15PM THE MEAT OF THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY ADAM WOLF
8:37:17PM WHO IS THE PRINCIPAL IN WOLF PARTNERS AND THE ARCHITECT FOR
8:37:17PM THE PROJECT.
8:37:19PM AND THEN I'M GOING TO WRAP UP.
8:37:23PM HE'S GOING TO PLUG IN SO YOU GET MULTIMEDIA.
8:37:27PM >> BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND.
8:37:33PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
8:37:54PM ADAM WOLF, 5602 WEST LINEBAUGH AVENUE.
8:37:58PM I'M HERE WITH MY PARTNER JOSH NICHOLSON.
8:38:01PM WE ALSO HAVE CLAYTON WHO YOU JUST HEARD FROM.
8:38:03PM WE HAVE RICKY PETERIKA, OUR ARBORIST, WHO IS AVAILABLE VIA
8:38:10PM REMOTE, I BELIEVE.
8:38:12PM AND DAVID IS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER WHO IS NOT ABLE TO JOIN US
8:38:15PM THIS EVENING.
8:38:16PM I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF.
8:38:18PM I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE AND ZAIN DID A
8:38:21PM VERY GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
8:38:24PM I DID WANT TO MAKE MENTION OF THE EXISTING ZONING THAT
8:38:27PM EXISTS AROUND THIS SITE.
8:38:29PM WE HAVE THE WALMART AND THE HEAVIER COMMERCIAL AND HIGHER
8:38:33PM INTENSITY OF USE TO THE SOUTH AND THE EAST.
8:38:36PM AND THEN ALSO THE MIXED USE 35 TO THE SOUTHWEST.
8:38:39PM WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USE, WHICH
8:38:43PM WE THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER BETWEEN THESE HEAVIER AND
8:38:47PM MORE INTENSE USES TO THE SOUTH AND THE EAST AS WE TRANSITION
8:38:50PM TO THE MORE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED VERNACULAR TO THE NORTH
8:38:53PM AND THE WEST.
8:38:54PM HERE WE HAVE MORE LEGIBLE, I HOPE, SITE PLAN.
8:39:01PM 18 UNITS.
8:39:02PM TWO STORIES, AND WE'RE ALSO ADDING FIVE EXTRA VISITOR SPOTS
8:39:07PM THAT ARE NOT REQUIRED BY CODE BECAUSE THERE'S CONCERN IN THE
8:39:10PM NEIGHBORHOOD THAT STREET PARKING MIGHT BECOME AN ISSUE AND
8:39:13PM WE WANTED TO TAKE NOTE OF THE REALITY THAT THERE WILL BE
8:39:16PM GUESTS HERE AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED, WE THINK IT'S A
8:39:20PM NICE AMENITY TO HAVE FOR THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY
8:39:23PM AND THEN ALSO IN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
8:39:25PM LIKE TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE DESIGN OBJECTIVES THAT
8:39:30PM DROVE OUR SITE PLAN HERE.
8:39:33PM WE WERE AIMING TO RETAIN AS MANY GRAND TREES AS POSSIBLE,
8:39:38PM ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WERE IN GOOD HEALTH AND HAD A LONG
8:39:41PM LIFE SPAN AHEAD OF THEM.
8:39:43PM SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THERE ARE SEVEN GRAND TREES THAT
8:39:48PM ARE RETAINED AND WE WORKED AROUND THOSE TO MAKE SURE WE
8:39:53PM WEREN'T GOING TO DISRUPT THOSE GRAND TREES THAT ARE REALLY
8:39:55PM BEAUTIFUL ON THE SITE.
8:39:56PM WE ALSO WANTED TO MAINTAIN THE STREET FRONT IS A LOT OF
8:40:04PM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST, AND RATHER
8:40:07PM THAN HAVE A BUNCH OF CURB CUTS COMING OFF OF COMANCHE AND
8:40:11PM MOHAWK, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT VEHICULAR
8:40:14PM CIRCULATION WAS PROTECTED FROM THE STREET AND THE PEDESTRIAN
8:40:18PM EXPERIENCE SO THAT WE HAVE REAR-LOADED GARAGES FOR ALL THE
8:40:22PM UNITS AND JUST ONE MAIN SPINE OF CIRCULATION FOR VEHICLES
8:40:27PM THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
8:40:28PM WE ALSO INCLUDED THE FRONT PORCHES WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT
8:40:33PM YOU FIND AROUND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND REALLY PLEASING.
8:40:37PM WE KNOW IT IS A VERY TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITY OF FOLKS, AND THAT
8:40:40PM ABILITY TO INTERACT WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND GET TO KNOW THEM
8:40:45PM I THINK IS SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT.
8:40:46PM SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FACED ALL OF OUR UNITS AS
8:40:49PM MUCH AS POSSIBLE TOWARDS THE STREET AND PROVIDE THOSE
8:40:53PM OUTDOOR SPACES FOR COMMUNITY INTERACTION.
8:40:56PM SO THIS IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE ELEVATIONS THAT
8:41:01PM ARE IN THE PD APPLICATION.
8:41:03PM WE HAVE SPENT MORE TIME AND REFINED THE DESIGN SINCE THEN.
8:41:06PM THAT WAS MORE OF A PLACEHOLDER, BUT OUR GENERAL INTENT WAS
8:41:10PM LOOKING AROUND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND SEEING A CHARACTER OF
8:41:15PM THOSE BUILDINGS, THERE'S QUITE AN ECLECTIC MIX OF STYLES,
8:41:19PM BUT I THINK PREDOMINANTLY IT IS OF THE CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW
8:41:24PM STYLE.
8:41:24PM WE TOOK THAT INSPIRATION AND TRIED TO ADAPT IT INTO A
8:41:26PM CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW TOWN HOUSE, BUT RATHER THAN DOING A KIND
8:41:30PM OF COPY AND PASTE EXERCISE WHERE EVERY UNIT IS THE SAME, WE
8:41:34PM TRIED TO REFLECT THE NATURE OF THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
8:41:36PM COMMUNITY BY PROVIDING DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES AND DIFFERENT
8:41:39PM FACADE AND ROOF LINE EXPRESSIONS TO BETTER FIT IN AND
8:41:42PM COALESCE WITH THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS IN THE SEMINOLE
8:41:46PM HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:41:47PM HERE'S A VIRTUAL IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD FEEL LIKE TO BE IN
8:41:56PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:41:57PM THIS IS COMING OFF OF MOHAWK.
8:42:00PM AS YOU GO ONTO THE SITE HEADING NORTH-NORTHEAST, GOT THREE
8:42:07PM SEPARATE BUILDINGS OVER HERE.
8:42:08PM WE HAVE SOME GREENSPACE AND GUEST PARKING IN THIS AREA.
8:42:12PM AND THEN AS WE WORK OUR WAY AROUND BACK TO THE NORTH TOWARDS
8:42:17PM COMANCHE, WE HAVE THE FIFTH BUILDING.
8:42:19PM I THINK THAT WILL CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION.
8:42:31PM WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
8:42:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
8:42:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
8:42:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
8:42:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE THIS LOCATION.
8:42:43PM IS THAT THE AREA BEHIND THE VALUE PAWN?
8:42:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
8:42:49PM COMING UP FROM THE WALMART.
8:42:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: 1505, RIGHT?
8:42:54PM 1505 COMANCHE.
8:42:58PM 1505 COMANCHE EAST IS THE VALUE PAWN.
8:43:06PM >> TO THE SOUTH, CORRECT.
8:43:07PM AND THEN THE WALMART IS --
8:43:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TO THE EAST STILL.
8:43:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH.
8:43:13PM THE VALUE PAWN IS FACING HILLSBOROUGH AND 15.
8:43:18PM THIS IS BACK THERE.
8:43:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WALMART IS PRETTY BIG.
8:43:22PM WALMART REALLY FACES WEST BUT IS TO THE EAST THOUGH.
8:43:29PM THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.
8:43:41PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
8:43:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
8:43:45PM >> I'LL JUST WRAP UP JUST BY SAYING WE'RE FINE WITH THE
8:43:48PM REVISIONS.
8:43:49PM WE REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK ON THIS.
8:43:51PM WE APPRECIATE BEING FOUND CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE.
8:43:53PM WE WOULD ASK YOU ALL FOR AN APPROVAL AND WE HAVE THE TEAM
8:43:58PM THAT ADAM LAID OUT AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
8:44:00PM OH, AND WE DID GET -- I HAVE A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM
8:44:06PM THE HAMPTON TERRACE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION THAT I WAS GOING
8:44:09PM TO PUT ON RECORD.
8:44:10PM SO I WILL HAND THAT TO MR. MASSEY.
8:44:13PM THAT'S IT.
8:44:15PM UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
8:44:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE
8:44:32PM TO MAKE COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13?
8:44:41PM >> I'M ASHLEY HERZOG, A HOMEOWNER IN THE OLD SEMINOLE
8:44:45PM HEIGHTS AREA RIGHT ACROSS FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
8:44:49PM I AM IN OPPOSITION OF IT GIVEN THAT THE STRUCTURE OF IT
8:44:52PM BEING TOWNHOMES AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY
8:44:56PM DETACHED HOMES THAT ARE THERE.
8:44:58PM I THINK THE VOLUME OF HOMES PROPOSED IS TOO MANY FOR THE
8:45:04PM GIVEN SPACE AND WOULD BRING HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT
8:45:08PM AREA AND WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY
8:45:11PM THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
8:45:12PM I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BE ADDED THERE,
8:45:18PM DETACHED.
8:45:20PM I STILL WANT DEVELOPMENT THERE, JUST NOT TOWNHOMES AND NOT
8:45:24PM 18 OF THEM.
8:45:25PM THANK YOU.
8:45:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
8:45:32PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
8:45:33PM ERIC EBERSOLE.
8:45:35PM ASHLEY AND I ARE NEIGHBORS.
8:45:37PM WE LIVE VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
8:45:39PM I AM VERY MUCH IMPACTED BY THIS PROPERTY.
8:45:41PM WE ARE ESSENTIALLY BORDERING THE PROPERTY ON COMANCHE.
8:45:45PM I WILL SAY WOLF PARTNERS ADAM AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN VERY
8:45:50PM RECEPTIVE TO OUR COMMENTS.
8:45:52PM THE ONE MAIN THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS
8:45:55PM SPOKEN ABOUT HERE IS JUST A SENSE OF PRIVACY.
8:45:59PM THESE ARE TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES THAT WILL BE FACING
8:46:02PM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SOME KIND
8:46:04PM OF VEGETATION, TREES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST TO BLOCK ANY
8:46:08PM KIND OF VIEWS.
8:46:08PM WE'VE EXPRESSED THAT TO ADAM AND HIS TEAM AND THEY HAVE BEEN
8:46:11PM VERY RECEPTIVE OF THAT.
8:46:15PM OTHER THAN THAT, PARKING HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT.
8:46:18PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT A TON OF STREET PARKING
8:46:20PM WHERE MAYBE THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACES INSIDE COULD
8:46:23PM LEAD TO PARKING OUTSIDE ON COMANCHE AND MOHAWK.
8:46:26PM SO JUST MAYBE ADDRESSING THAT AS WELL.
8:46:28PM THANK YOU.
8:46:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
8:46:31PM ANYONE ONLINE?
8:46:42PM >>THE CLERK: MS. CARRIE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
8:46:44PM DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH, THE
8:46:47PM WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
8:46:49PM >> YES.
8:46:49PM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
8:46:52PM >> MY NAME IS DR. CURRY.
8:46:56PM I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED
8:46:58PM DEVELOPMENT ON COMANCHE AVENUE.
8:47:00PM LET ME FIRST SAY THAT I AM NOT ANTIDEVELOPMENT.
8:47:03PM IN FACT, THE PROPERTY WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY IS IN GREAT
8:47:07PM NEED OF BEING DEVELOPED.
8:47:08PM HOWEVER, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WHAT IS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY
8:47:11PM ACTUALLY COMPORTS WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:47:14PM AS YOU'VE HEARD, ALL OF THE HOMES FACING COMANCHE AVENUE AND
8:47:19PM ADJACENT STREETS ARE -- [INAUDIBLE] THEY HAVE YARDS AND/OR
8:47:28PM DRIVEWAYS THAT ALL ENCOURAGE INTERSECTION WITH NEIGHBORS.
8:47:32PM I HAVE LIVED IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF TAMPA, BUT THIS IS THE
8:47:36PM FIRST TIME I HAVE FELT REALLY CONNECTED TO MY NEIGHBORS AND
8:47:41PM THIS IS FACILITATED BY HOW OUR HOUSES ARE DESIGNED.
8:47:44PM THIS MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT -- IN THE MIDDLE OF AN
8:47:50PM ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:47:51PM THESE DEVELOPED PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNED WITH GARAGES AND --
8:47:57PM WITH A HOUSE FACING INSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
8:48:03PM [INDISCERNIBLE]
8:48:06PM THERE ARE PORCHES AND DOORS BEING IDENTIFIED AS FRONT OF THE
8:48:11PM HOUSE WHEN IN ACTUALITY REALLY FUNCTIONS MORE LIKE THE BACK
8:48:15PM OF THE HOUSE.
8:48:15PM THEY ARE FACADES.
8:48:17PM I DO NOT WANT TO WALK OUT OF MY FRONT DOOR TO SEE THE BACK
8:48:20PM OF ANOTHER HOUSE.
8:48:21PM NOW, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE -- [INAUDIBLE] -- THAT ARE TRULY
8:48:30PM AESTHETICALLY ATTRACTIVE AND DON'T APPEAR TO DISRUPT THE
8:48:33PM FEEL OF THE COMMUNITY.
8:48:34PM THEY ARE LOCATED IN COMMERCIAL MIXED AREAS, AREAS THAT HAVE
8:48:39PM LOTS OF VACANT SPACE, AND THIS IS COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE.
8:48:42PM BUT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT I THINK WOULD LEAD --
8:48:48PM [INAUDIBLE] -- SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES AND NOT
8:48:51PM SMACK-DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
8:48:54PM I DO THINK THE PROJECT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA CLOSE TO
8:49:00PM MOHAWK AVENUE ON THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS
8:49:04PM COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AREA WITH WALMART, A VETERINARIAN
8:49:08PM OFFICE -- ON THE NORTH SIDE ON COMANCHE AVENUE, IT IS --
8:49:15PM WITH THE DESIGN -- THERE MUST BE A WAY TO BUILD A
8:49:19PM DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN STILL PROFIT WITHOUT CHOPPING UP OUR
8:49:23PM NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKING IT A HODGEPODGE.
8:49:26PM I'M ASKING THAT THE DEVELOPER -- DESIGN SOMETHING COMPATIBLE
8:49:33PM WITH THE AREA.
8:49:34PM TOWNHOMES WOULD FACE MOHAWK AVENUE.
8:49:43PM IF THEY SUBDIVIDED THE PROPERTY, BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES
8:49:49PM -- EVEN A COUPLE OF DUPLEX.
8:49:51PM THIS WOULD MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:49:54PM AGAIN, I'M NOT ANTIDEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO
8:49:57PM SUPPORT --
8:49:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
8:49:59PM SIR, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK?
8:50:03PM IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS
8:50:06PM AGENDA ITEM?
8:50:07PM SIR, YOU'LL BE THE LAST.
8:50:13PM >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY I DO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
8:50:17PM OFTENTIMES, WE LOOK AT MULTIFAMILY AND DON'T -- WE LOOK AT
8:50:21PM THE IMPACT OF MULTIFAMILY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD --
8:50:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I NEED YOUR NAME.
8:50:24PM >> KHALIL MAJIED, RESIDENT OF SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND
8:50:30PM I OWN A RENTAL PROPERTY OR TWO IN HAMPTON TERRACE.
8:50:33PM MULTIFAMILY, WE KIND OF NEED DENSITY IN THE AREA TO CONTINUE
8:50:41PM TO HELP WITH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
8:50:43PM IT'S AN UNDERUTILIZED CORRIDOR, NEBRASKA, HILLSBOROUGH
8:50:49PM CORRIDOR PLAN, IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2013, BUT THIS
8:50:53PM IS SOME OF THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS THEY SPOKE ABOUT, WHICH
8:50:56PM WILL HELP SKEW THE WELCOME LEVELS IN THE AREA TO SUPPORT
8:50:59PM MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I TRY TO CHAMPION.
8:51:05PM WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HIGH-PAYING JOBS IN THE AREA.
8:51:08PM WE KEEP TALKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT NOT DOING THINGS TO
8:51:13PM INCREASE THE INCOME LEVELS.
8:51:14PM IF YOU STUDY 40th TO NEBRASKA AVENUE, I HAVE ABOUT MAYBE
8:51:20PM SEVEN OR EIGHT FAST FOOD CHICKEN RESTAURANTS.
8:51:26PM UNTIL A PANERA OR CHICK-FIL-A WHICH HAVE HIGHER WAGES
8:51:29PM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR MENU, IT'S STILL GOING TO
8:51:32PM BE CONTINUANCE OF A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF WE DON'T
8:51:39PM INCREASE THESE INCOME LEVELS.
8:51:41PM AND SOMETIMES WE NEED DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS WHILE THEY
8:51:44PM MIGHT NOT BE THE UNIT COUNT THAT'S DESIRABLE, WE JUST NEED
8:51:49PM IT.
8:51:50PM I THINK I FIND IT TO BE CONSISTENT, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT
8:51:55PM NEBRASKA HILLSBOROUGH CORRIDOR PLAN THAT STUDIED NEBRASKA
8:51:58PM FROM DOWNTOWN, I BELIEVE, TO 22nd STREET UP HILLSBOROUGH
8:52:02PM WHICH IT DOES COVER BETWEEN 15th AND 22nd WILL BE WHERE
8:52:12PM THIS DEVELOPMENT SITE IS.
8:52:13PM I THINK IT'S ONE THAT WILL ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY.
8:52:17PM WE DO HAVE A WALMART.
8:52:18PM I THOUGHT WE FOUGHT VERY HARD, EAST TAMPA DID, TO GET THAT
8:52:22PM WALMART IN BECAUSE IT SAT MANY YEARS UNDERUTILIZED AS AN OLD
8:52:28PM CAR LOT, BUT WE NEED MORE.
8:52:30PM IF YOU STUDY IT, IT'S ONE OF THE WORST PERFORMING WALMARTS
8:52:33PM IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
8:52:34PM I NEED INCOMES IN THE AREA AND THIS PROJECT WOULD DEFINITELY
8:52:38PM HELP IT.
8:52:39PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
8:52:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
8:52:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PETITIONER, ANY REBUTTAL?
8:52:54PM >> SURE.
8:52:55PM CLAYTON BRICKLEMYER AGAIN.
8:52:56PM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
8:52:58PM I THINK WE WOULD HARKEN BACK, OBVIOUSLY, WE DISAGREE ABOUT
8:53:03PM NUMBERS AND WHATEVER.
8:53:03PM I THINK THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS AN INCREDIBLY
8:53:07PM THOUGHTFUL PROJECT THAT MANAGES TO THREAD THE NEEDLE BETWEEN
8:53:12PM THE NEED FOR SOME DENSITY, BETWEEN THE NEED FOR A TRANSITION
8:53:15PM FROM A WALMART PARKING LOT, WHICH THE PARKING LOT IS ON THE
8:53:18PM WEST SIDE, AND THE VALUE REAR YARDS THAT TRANSITIONS INTO
8:53:23PM THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND STILL IS RESPECTFUL OF THEIR
8:53:26PM ARCHITECTURE AND THE FRONT PORCH SITUATION.
8:53:31PM I THINK ADAM DID A REALLY NICE JOB OF LAYING OUT THE
8:53:34PM ADVANTAGE OF THIS ROAD THAT CONNECTS THROUGH AS OPPOSED TO
8:53:36PM DOING A BUNCH OF CURB CUTS AND DRIVEWAYS.
8:53:40PM WHAT YOU END UP WITH ARE WALKWAYS TO A SIDEWALK THAT ENGAGE
8:53:43PM THE STREET ON COMANCHE.
8:53:46PM SO I BELIEVE, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GOOD TRANSITIONAL
8:53:49PM PROJECT THAT MANAGES TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT ON
8:53:53PM THIS SITE.
8:53:54PM STAFF AGREES WITH THAT.
8:53:57PM ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD?
8:53:58PM ALL RIGHT.
8:54:00PM WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
8:54:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
8:54:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ZAIN, PUT UP THE MAP AND GO BACK OVER THE
8:54:10PM CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:54:23PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THE OVERHEAD AERIAL VIEW.
8:54:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, THE NUMBERS.
8:54:27PM I WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT COUNT, WHERE WE LOOK AT THE MAKEUP
8:54:31PM OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:54:32PM THE OTHER MAP, ZAIN.
8:54:40PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE CONFORMING MAP?
8:54:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YEAH, THE ONE, COLORED RF 50, WHATEVER THE
8:54:47PM MAKEUP OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
8:54:48PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THERE WOULD BE NO CONFORMING MAP FOR THIS.
8:54:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE HOUSES TO THE NORTH --
8:55:08PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE.
8:55:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE DON'T HAVE A MAP --
8:55:18PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THERE IS NO CONFORMING MAP FOR THIS CASE.
8:55:21PM THIS HAS THE PARCEL LINES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
8:55:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MS. MALONE.
8:55:37PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: IT STILL WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A CONFORMING
8:55:40PM MAP.
8:55:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE MAKEUP GOING NORTH
8:55:43PM ON THE MAP WAS BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CONFIGURATION OF
8:55:47PM THE TOWNHOMES, AND TALKS ABOUT THE HOUSES FACE ON THAT
8:55:54PM STREET AND SHE'S SAYING THE CONFIGURATION OF THE TOWN HOUSE
8:55:58PM WILL BE THEIR BACK DOOR VERSUS A FRONT SIDE OF IT.
8:56:02PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
8:56:05PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE SITE.
8:56:09PM I'LL SHOW YOU THE IN-DEPTH VIEW ALSO OF THE SITE.
8:56:14PM SEE WHERE THE SMALL ARROWS ARE.
8:56:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BRING THAT DOWN, PLEASE.
8:56:24PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: SEE THE SMALL ARROWS POINTING OUT TO THE
8:56:27PM PROPOSED FRONT DOORS.
8:56:28PM AND TO THE SOUTH YOU SEE THE ARROWS PROPOSED TO THE FRONT
8:56:38PM DOORS.
8:56:38PM AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TWO LOTS HERE INTERNAL WHICH FACE ALSO
8:56:47PM THE OUTSIDE.
8:56:55PM AS PER ONE OF THE WAIVERS, THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE
8:57:00PM WAIVERS FOR THE FRONT DOORS SITUATION.
8:57:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, ZAIN.
8:57:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
8:57:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
8:57:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
8:57:12PM MANISCALCO.
8:57:20PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:57:22PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:57:23PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:57:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL READ IT, SIR, SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE.
8:57:28PM FILE NUMBER 13, REZ-22-54, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
8:57:34PM FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
8:57:36PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
8:57:38PM 1505 EAST COMANCHE AVENUE AND FOLIO NUMBER 150,327.0050, IN
8:57:47PM THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
8:57:50PM SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION SH-RS
8:57:55PM (SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY) TO SH-PD
8:57:59PM (SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
8:58:01PM SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED); PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
8:58:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:58:06PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:58:07PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
8:58:10PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE VOTE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
8:58:13PM MOTION INCLUDES THE REVISIONS ON --
8:58:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, IT INCLUDES THE REVISION SHEET.
8:58:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
8:58:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
8:58:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
8:58:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
8:58:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
8:58:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
8:58:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
8:58:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
8:58:30PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
8:58:32PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER
8:58:34PM 15th, 2022, AT 9:30 A.M.
8:58:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, REZ 22-74.
8:58:48PM MR. HUSAIN.
8:59:13PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
8:59:17PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, CASE REZ-22-74, BEING PRESENTED FOR
8:59:22PM FIRST READING CONSIDERATION AT THE LOCATION 3010 AND 3018
8:59:28PM NORTH 50th STREET AND FOLIO NUMBER 158,155.0005.
8:59:35PM PROPOSED REZONING FROM CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND RM-16
8:59:39PM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
8:59:42PM I'LL PASS IT ALONG TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
8:59:48PM >> JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
8:59:50PM I HAVE YET ANOTHER CORRECTION TO MAKE ON THE RECORD.
8:59:53PM THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS CORRECT ON PAGE 2
8:59:56PM OF OUR STAFF REPORT.
8:59:57PM IT IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
8:59:59PM PAGE ONE OF OUR STAFF REPORT INCORRECTLY STATES THAT IT IS
9:00:02PM COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35.
9:00:04PM I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION, BUT IT IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE
9:00:08PM 35.
9:00:08PM SO HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
9:00:12PM THERE'S DOLLAR GENERAL TO THE NORTH, AUTOZONE PARTS TO THE
9:00:17PM SOUTH.
9:00:17PM SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AS ONE MOVES WEST FROM NORTH 49th
9:00:24PM STREET, RIGHT OFF OF NORTH 50th AND THEN TO THE SOUTH,
9:00:27PM THERE'S SOME HOTELS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
9:00:29PM HIGHLAND PINES PARK IS THE CLOSEST PUBLIC RECREATIONAL
9:00:34PM FACILITY.
9:00:34PM IT'S NOT WITHIN AN EVACUATION ZONE.
9:00:36PM THERE IS TRANSIT ABOUT 100 FEET TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT
9:00:39PM SITE AND AS I SAID BEFORE, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMUNITY
9:00:43PM MIXED USE 35.
9:00:45PM DELINEATED WITH THAT PINK COLOR ACROSS THE STREET IN THE RED
9:00:49PM IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35.
9:00:51PM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO CATEGORIES IS THAT THE PINK
9:00:53PM ALLOWS COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES.
9:00:55PM THE RED YOU CAN DO MORE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES.
9:00:58PM SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
9:01:01PM THERE'S PINK ON ONE SIDE OF THE CORRIDOR AND RED ON THE
9:01:04PM OTHER SIDE OF THE CORRIDOR.
9:01:05PM THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING
9:01:08PM THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
9:01:10PM THIS CORRIDOR IS ALREADY PRIMARILY DEVELOPED WITH A LOT OF
9:01:13PM COMMERCIAL USES, SO WE FOUND NO COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS WITH
9:01:17PM THAT.
9:01:17PM OBVIOUSLY EUCLIDEAN REQUEST, AS COUNCIL KNOWS, THEY'LL MEET
9:01:22PM THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE THAT PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
9:01:26PM KNOW ALWAYS JUST LIKES TO SUPPORT, MEETING ANY BUFFERING
9:01:30PM FROM THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE TO THE WEST.
9:01:32PM I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WILL.
9:01:34PM THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
9:01:36PM THANK YOU.
9:01:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. MALONE?
9:01:44PM >> NO.
9:01:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:01:50PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
9:01:53PM I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHARE THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
9:01:58PM ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
9:02:00PM SEE THE PROPERTY OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
9:02:09PM THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE APPROXIMATELY .48 ACRES IN SIZE.
9:02:14PM CURRENTLY, THE PARCEL IS VACANT AT THIS TIME.
9:02:17PM THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST INTERSECTION OF
9:02:20PM EAST 23RD AVENUE AND NORTH 50th STREET.
9:02:23PM SO IF YOU LOOK, YOU'LL SEE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THE
9:02:30PM SOUTH ARE BOTH ZONED PD.
9:02:32PM YOU HAVE A DOLLAR GENERAL RIGHT HERE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE
9:02:35PM SOUTH YOU HAVE AN AUTOZONE.
9:02:40PM IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST -- SORRY, TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE A
9:02:44PM NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, ACTS -- A-C-T-S -- INC.
9:02:50PM ALSO, IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST SIDE, YOU'LL HAVE A PROPERTY
9:02:55PM ZONED PD AND RM-16 WITH RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY USES.
9:02:59PM I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOW WHAT'S CURRENTLY AT THE SITE.
9:03:13PM AS I SAID, IT'S VACANT.
9:03:16PM VACANT LOT WITH A CLOSE-UP SIGN OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE.
9:03:31PM AS YOU SEE TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE THAT RETAIL STORE, THE
9:03:35PM DOLLAR GENERAL.
9:03:35PM TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE THE AUTOZONE.
9:03:45PM ANOTHER VIEW TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, THE AUTOZONE.
9:04:04PM AND TO THE EAST.
9:04:09PM TALKED ABOUT THAT NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, ACTS.
9:04:12PM DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
9:04:20PM APPLICATION AND FINDS IT OVERALL TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE
9:04:23PM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
9:04:24PM THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN WAS NEEDED.
9:04:27PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
9:04:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. HUSAIN.
9:04:32PM SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
9:04:38PM >> GOOD EVENING.
9:04:39PM MY NAME IS PATRICIA ORTIZ.
9:04:41PM I'M THE AGENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
9:04:44PM AND THIS ZONING PETITION ADDRESSES THREE CURRENTLY VACANT
9:04:48PM PROPERTIES.
9:04:49PM THEY ARE ALL FRONTING ON 50th STREET AND THEY ARE ALL
9:04:53PM WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT.
9:04:57PM OUR INTENT IS TO REZONE THESE PARCELS AS A GROUP AND THEN
9:05:02PM COMBINE THEM INTO A SINGLE FOLIO NUMBER WHICH WOULD BE OF
9:05:06PM APPROPRIATE SIZE TO DEVELOP WITH COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES IN
9:05:11PM ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PARAMETERS OF THE COMMERCIAL
9:05:15PM GENERAL ZONE.
9:05:16PM THE UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS CMU-35, AND
9:05:22PM THE CG ZONE IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT AS THE PLANNING
9:05:25PM COMMISSION STAFF WENT OVER.
9:05:28PM BOTH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE
9:05:30PM FOUND THIS PETITION TO BE CONSISTENT AND I'VE RECEIVED NO
9:05:35PM CORRESPONDENCE AT ALL REGARDING THIS PETITION.
9:05:39PM SO I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, UNLESS
9:05:44PM YOU'D LIKE ME TO GO INTO THIS IN FURTHER DETAIL.
9:05:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
9:05:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A COMMENT.
9:05:52PM I NOTICED 48th STREET, THE FIRST HOUSE MY GRANDFATHER
9:05:55PM BOUGHT IN 1965 WAS RIGHT BACK THERE WITH A HUNDRED-DOLLAR
9:06:01PM DEPOSIT.
9:06:02PM I HAVE THE RECEIPT.
9:06:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO YOU HAVE THE HUNDRED DOLLARS?
9:06:08PM >> DO YOU HAVE THE HOUSE.
9:06:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE HOUSE IS THERE.
9:06:11PM NO, SOLD BACK IN '72.
9:06:13PM MOTION TO CLOSE -- WAIT, ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:06:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE
9:06:19PM TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:06:20PM >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
9:06:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:06:25PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:06:27PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:06:28PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:06:29PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:06:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE REZ 22-74, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
9:06:39PM FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
9:06:40PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
9:06:42PM 3010 AND 3018 NORTH 50th STREET AND FOLIO NUMBER
9:06:46PM 158,155.0005 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
9:06:57PM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
9:07:00PM CLASSIFICATION CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND RM-16 RESIDENTIAL,
9:07:04PM MULTIFAMILY TO CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL; PROVIDING AN
9:07:06PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
9:07:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:07:09PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:07:12PM ANY FURTHER COMMENT?
9:07:13PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
9:07:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
9:07:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
9:07:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:07:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
9:07:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:07:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:07:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
9:07:25PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
9:07:27PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER
9:07:29PM 15th, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
9:07:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:07:33PM INFORMATION REPORTS.
9:07:36PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:07:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:07:38PM I HAVE TWO QUICK ONES.
9:07:39PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO INVITE THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC
9:07:43PM HERITAGE COMMITTEE TO COME BEFORE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON
9:07:45PM SEPTEMBER 1, 2022, AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE IN THE AGENDA SO MAY
9:07:51PM EXTEND A PERSONAL INVITATION TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR
9:07:54PM 34th ANNUAL MAYOR HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE CELEBRATION.
9:07:57PM THE CELEBRATION WILL TAKE PLACE AT TAMPA THEATRE OCTOBER 11,
9:08:00PM 2022 AT 9 TO NOON.
9:08:03PM 9 A.M. TO NOON.
9:08:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:08:06PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:08:07PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:10PM >> AYE.
9:08:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
9:08:13PM PRESENT COMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE
9:08:16PM COMMITTEE THAT WILL BE PRESENTED, THAT I, US WILL BE
9:08:19PM PRESENTED ON OCTOBER 11.
9:08:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:08:23PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:08:24PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:25PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:08:26PM THANK YOU.
9:08:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:08:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES?
9:08:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
9:08:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:08:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOTHING.
9:08:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK.
9:08:37PM FIRST, MY CONDOLENCES TO THE LEVY FAMILY ON THE PASSING OF
9:08:41PM LEONARD LEVY.
9:08:44PM I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW WHO HE WAS.
9:08:45PM I SAW HIM MANY TIMES HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
9:08:48PM OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY AND ALSO TO THE BELLUCCIA
9:08:52PM FAMILY.
9:08:52PM YOU MAY NOT KNOW THEM.
9:08:52PM ANGELA BELLUCCIA, I BELIEVE SHE WAS 91.
9:08:56PM SHE PASSED AWAY YESTERDAY.
9:08:58PM HARDWORKING SICILIAN IMMIGRANT FAMILY.
9:09:00PM LIVED IN THE WESTSHORE PALMS AREA RIGHT OFF LOIS.
9:09:03PM JUST GOOD PEOPLE.
9:09:04PM GOOD PEOPLE.
9:09:05PM SHE PASSED AWAY.
9:09:06PM AND I WANT TO GIVE MY CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY.
9:09:11PM OTHER THAN THAT, I VISITED THE WELLSWOOD BASEBALL FIELD.
9:09:15PM IT'S NOT CALLED THE WELLSWOOD BASEBALL FIELD, BUT WE KNOW
9:09:18PM WHERE IT IS AND I SPOKE WITH THE RUSSO BROTHERS WHO HAVE, I
9:09:24PM BELIEVE IT IS CALLED HIT FACTORY IS THEIR BUSINESS.
9:09:27PM AND THEY OPERATE THERE AND THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE
9:09:30PM CITY.
9:09:32PM I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
9:09:33PM I KNOW THEY HANDED OUT PACKETS TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
9:09:37PM THEY SHOULD HAVE TO EVERYONE'S MAILBOX.
9:09:39PM IF WE COULD GET SHERISHA HILLS FROM PARKS AND REC OR A
9:09:44PM REPRESENTATIVE FROM PARKS AND REC TO GIVE US A QUICK STATUS
9:09:50PM OR UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
9:09:53PM CITY AND THE RUSSO BROTHERS, IF THEY COULD COME SEPTEMBER
9:09:59PM 15th UNDER STAFF REPORTS, THAT HE IS A REGULAR CITY
9:10:02PM COUNCIL MEETING.
9:10:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THE DYNAMICS OF
9:10:09PM YOUTH SPORTS HAS CHANGED.
9:10:13PM I JUST SENT MS. HILL A VIDEO OF SOME FOOTBALL SITUATIONS,
9:10:18PM AND I THINK IT'S CRITICAL, IF YOU RECALL, I MADE A MOTION
9:10:23PM THAT THE COUNTY AND THE CITY COME TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT
9:10:25PM THESE ISSUES AS PERTAINS TO FIELD USAGES AND THINGS THAT ARE
9:10:32PM GOING ON.
9:10:32PM YOUTH SPORTS, I HATE TO SAY IT, HAS TURNED INTO A MONEY
9:10:35PM MARKET SPORT.
9:10:36PM LOTS GOING ON.
9:10:38PM I THINK IT'S GOOD TO COME TALK.
9:10:44PM HOW TO -- WITH THE PROGRAMS.
9:10:45PM BEFORE I LEFT YOUTH SPORTS, THINGS ARE HAPPENING NOW.
9:10:51PM I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE DOING, IF THEY HAVE BEEN MEETING
9:10:54PM WITH THE CONNECTION WITH THE COUNTY, PLANT CITY, TEMPLE
9:10:57PM TERRACE OR NOT.
9:10:59PM AT ONE POINT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE, COUNCIL, TALK ABOUT
9:11:04PM THE ISSUES.
9:11:04PM HOPEFULLY THEY CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT AS WELL AS IT
9:11:07PM PERTAINS TO ALL THE ISSUES WITH THE BASEBALL.
9:11:09PM BECAUSE I KNOW BASEBALL HAS BECOME A BIG ISSUE AS WELL.
9:11:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:11:18PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:11:19PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:11:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT.
9:11:22PM THANK YOU, SIR.
9:11:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:11:23PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:11:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST A COUPLE, IF I MAY.
9:11:26PM NUMBER ONE, I MENTIONED AT CRA THIS MORNING ON DISABILITY
9:11:28PM PARKS, I MOTIONED THAT CITY COUNCIL REQUEST THAT THE
9:11:31PM ADMINISTRATION DEDICATE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AT LEAST
9:11:33PM $200,000 TO MAKING DISABILITY ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS AND
9:11:38PM NON-CRA AREAS.
9:11:40PM COULD BE SOUTH TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, COULD BE USF.
9:11:43PM I DON'T FORESEE NEW TAMPA GIVEN THAT NEW PARK.
9:11:45PM BUT THAT'S MY MOTION.
9:11:47PM AND WE CAN FOLLOW-UP ON THAT AT THE BUDGET HEARINGS.
9:11:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:11:54PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:11:55PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:11:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
9:11:58PM SECOND, IF I MAY ALSO MENTION THIS ON TUESDAY REGARDING THE
9:12:01PM FIRE SITUATION, IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, THERE WAS $1 MILLION
9:12:04PM THAT WAS DEDICATED TO DISTRICT 7 FOR TAMPA FIRE
9:12:08PM IMPROVEMENTS.
9:12:10PM THERE'S DISCUSSION THERE IN TERMS OF HOW TO PROCEED WITH IT,
9:12:13PM ET CETERA.
9:12:14PM I HAD ISSUED, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, A CHALLENGE ON EVERY
9:12:20PM SINGLE BUDGET HAVING FUNDS FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR ONE FIRE
9:12:22PM STATION AND THEN ONE DESIGN.
9:12:24PM I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK -- WE CAN DO THIS IN NOVEMBER,
9:12:27PM DECEMBER -- TO, NUMBER ONE, TALK ABOUT HOW THOSE FUNDS ARE
9:12:30PM GOING TO BE USED, PARTICULARLY FOR RESPONSE TIMES IN NEW
9:12:35PM TAMPA, WHICH TENDS TO HAVE THE LONGEST RESPONSE TIMES FOR
9:12:37PM TAMPA FIRE, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF ISSUES, LAND ACQUISITION FOR
9:12:42PM POTENTIAL STATION OUT THERE.
9:12:45PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OBVIOUSLY TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND
9:12:47PM THEN LOCAL 754.
9:12:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY --
9:12:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: IN NOVEMBER IS THAT GOOD, COUNCIL?
9:12:54PM IF THEY NEED MORE TIME ON THAT, I CAN GIVE MORE TIME.
9:13:01PM THAT'S FINE.
9:13:04PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: TAKE A SPECIFIC DATE IN NOVEMBER, FIRST
9:13:08PM REGULAR MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
9:13:09PM NOVEMBER 3rd.
9:13:10PM IS THAT THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING?
9:13:13PM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
9:13:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:13:16PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:13:17PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:13:19PM >> AYE.
9:13:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: LASTLY, I HAD READ A REALLY GOOD ARTICLE IN
9:13:24PM LA GACETA.
9:13:25PM I THINK IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO BY MATT NEWTON, AN ATTORNEY
9:13:30PM OVER AT THE SCHUMAKER LAW FIRM ON CITY OF TAMPA ELECTIONS
9:13:33PM THAT REALLY, REALLY CAUGHT MY INTEREST.
9:13:36PM MATT IS A REALLY SMART ATTORNEY, AND HE HAS THE BEST
9:13:39PM HANDWRITING THAT YOU'LL EVER SEE IF YOU'VE EVER GOTTEN A
9:13:42PM NOTE FROM HIM.
9:13:43PM I'LL DO A MOTION IN THIS REGARD.
9:13:45PM MATT POINTS OUT THE IDEA THAT BY HAVING CITY OF TAMPA
9:13:49PM ELECTIONS IN ODD YEARS AS OPPOSED TO EVEN YEARS, CONSISTENT
9:13:52PM WITH A GENERAL ELECTION THAT WE GET SIGNIFICANTLY LESS
9:13:56PM TURNOUT.
9:13:56PM THE FACTS BEAR THAT OUT.
9:13:57PM I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE STATISTICS OTHER THAN TO SAY
9:13:59PM THAT IN 2016 WHEN COUNCILMAN GUDES AND I RAN IN A SPECIAL
9:14:04PM ELECTION WITH FOUR OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE PRESIDENTIAL
9:14:07PM ELECTION THAT YEAR, DISTRICT 7 BY ITSELF GOT 29,000 VOTES.
9:14:11PM YOU FAST-FORWARD TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS LATER, WHERE WE
9:14:14PM HAVE A MAYORAL ELECTION WITH FOUR OPEN CITY COUNCIL SEATS,
9:14:19PM THREE INCUMBENTS UP FOR REELECTION, THERE WAS ABOUT 49,000
9:14:22PM VOTES CITYWIDE.
9:14:23PM CITYWIDE.
9:14:23PM I THINK THAT BY LOOKING AT THIS, TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE,
9:14:28PM WE WILL NOT JUST INCREASE TURNOUT, BUT ESPECIALLY I BELIEVE
9:14:32PM IN VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES.
9:14:34PM I WANT A WORKSHOP ON THIS.
9:14:36PM I'M NOT ASKING PEOPLE TO MARRY THIS IDEA.
9:14:38PM I'M NOT ASKING PEOPLE TO BE ENGAGED WITH THIS IDEA.
9:14:41PM I'M NOT EVEN ASKING TO YOU DATE THE IDEA.
9:14:43PM I'M ASKING YOU TO GO OUT TO COFFEE WITH IT.
9:14:46PM I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT AS A
9:14:49PM CITY COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR THIS ELECTION BUT SOMETIME
9:14:51PM IN THE FUTURE, POTENTIALLY THE ONE THEREAFTER.
9:14:53PM I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
9:14:54PM IT WILL GET TURNOUT.
9:14:56PM THANK YOU.
9:14:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THOUGHT YOU WERE WOUND UP.
9:14:59PM I WAS GOING TO UNWIND YOU.
9:15:01PM LET ME SAY THIS, AND I'M NOT AGAINST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,
9:15:05PM LET'S LOOK AT THE FACTS.
9:15:07PM WHEN I FIRST RAN FOR OFFICE, YOU COULD NOT VOTE ABSENTEE
9:15:11PM UNLESS YOU WERE IN THE HOSPITAL OR OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
9:15:15PM AND MAIL FROM OUT OF THE COUNTRY USUALLY DIDN'T GET BACK IN
9:15:18PM TIME.
9:15:19PM THERE WAS NO EARLY VOTING.
9:15:21PM THERE WAS ONE DAY TO VOTE, AND THE TURNOUT WAS GREATER THAN
9:15:25PM IT IS NOW AND NOW YOU GOT WHAT, EARLY VOTING.
9:15:29PM IF YOU WIN THE EARLY VOTING, YOU WIN THE ELECTION.
9:15:32PM I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS.
9:15:34PM THE MAIL VOTE.
9:15:35PM THE OTHER TWO SUMS DO NOT EQUAL THE SUM OF THE MAIL VOTE.
9:15:39PM WE HAVE GIVEN THEM ALL THEY WANT.
9:15:42PM THE FACILITIES TO VOTE AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY ARE
9:15:45PM STAYING AWAY.
9:15:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, AGAIN, TAKE IT OUT TO
9:15:51PM COFFEE.
9:15:51PM THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR.
9:15:52PM I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.
9:15:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHO IS SECONDING COUNCILMAN VIERA'S MOTION?
9:16:01PM OKAY.
9:16:03PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:16:05PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:16:06PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
9:16:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M JUST WORRIED THAT WE GET LOST ON
9:16:14PM THESE LONGER BALLOTS.
9:16:15PM YOU HAVE GOVERNOR, PRESIDENTIAL, COUNTY COMMISSION AND THEN
9:16:19PM US.
9:16:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TAX REFERENDUM.
9:16:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:16:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND WE PUT THIS AT THE
9:16:31PM CHARTER DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE.
9:16:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, ACCORDING TO MR. NEWTON, WE MERELY
9:16:38PM NEED AN ORDINANCE.
9:16:39PM THERE IS A FLORIDA STATUTE THAT ALLOWS US MERELY BY
9:16:41PM ORDINANCE TO MOVE THAT.
9:16:42PM I THOUGHT THAT --
9:16:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALSO TO SAY THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS,
9:16:46PM WE USED TO BE IN THE NOVEMBER CYCLE.
9:16:48PM THAT CHANGES IN THE LATE '70s, EARLY '80s.
9:16:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
9:16:52PM AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING US TO LOOK AT THIS IDEA.
9:16:57PM WILL WE POTENTIALLY BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BALLOT, SO TO
9:16:59PM SPEAK, YES, BUT MANY OTHERS ARE AND THERE ARE WAYS TO
9:17:03PM ADDRESS THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST.
9:17:04PM JUST TO LOOK AT IT.
9:17:05PM I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
9:17:06PM AND WE CAN HAVE IT IN A WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER, JANUARY,
9:17:09PM WHENEVER.
9:17:10PM THAT'S FINE.
9:17:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:17:14PM ANY OPPOSED.
9:17:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: JANUARY WORKSHOP, IF I MAY.
9:17:18PM THANK YOU.
9:17:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:17:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: NOTHING.
9:17:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:17:26PM >> RECEIVE AND FILE.
9:17:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHAIR GETS LAST WORD.
9:17:32PM PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
9:17:32PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT AN OFF-SITE
9:17:38PM COMMENDATION TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES CELEBRATING
9:17:43PM THEIR 100th ANNIVERSARY.
9:17:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
9:17:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:17:51PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:17:53PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:17:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I SAY SOMETHING ON THAT?
9:17:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
9:17:58PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
9:17:59PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:18:01PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:18:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: IS IT TRUE THAT DEACON PAINE, I CALL HIM
9:18:05PM DEACON PAINE, THAT SCOTT PAINE RETIRED FROM THE LEAGUE OF
9:18:08PM CITIES?
9:18:08PM HE DID.
9:18:09PM GOOD MAN.
9:18:11PM HE'S A FINE, FINE MAN.
9:18:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUT HE DID AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I
9:18:15PM BROUGHT THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS IN HERE.
9:18:18PM HE DID GIVE THE CLASS TO THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
9:18:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: VERY GOOD GUY.
9:18:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
9:18:25PM HE MADE THE MOTION WITH MIRANDA SECONDING IT.
9:18:31PM >> JENNIFER MALONE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
9:18:32PM WE E-MAILED A MOTION ASKING YOU ALL TO PLEASE SET THE C.I.P.
9:18:37PM ON OCTOBER 27 AT 5:01 P.M.
9:18:39PM I WOULD JUST ASK IF ANYBODY IS SO INCLINED THAT THEY COULD
9:18:43PM SET THAT FOR US AND DIRECT THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF
9:18:46PM NOTICING FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
9:18:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE
9:18:50PM C.I.P. FOR 5:01 P.M. OCTOBER 27.
9:18:55PM AND THAT WE DIRECT THE CLERK TO PROVIDE PROPER NOTICE.
9:19:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:19:02PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:19:04PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:19:05PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE, PLEASE.
9:19:07PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:19:10PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:19:12PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:19:15PM [MEETING ADJOURNED]
9:19:17PM
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