TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, AUGUST 25, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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9:04:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING.
AND WELCOME TO THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HELD ON THIS DAY
TODAY, AUGUST 25th, 2022.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION.
9:04:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I DO.
9:04:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN
STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:04:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TODAY, I AM THRILLED TO HAVE CHERYL SCHROEDER
WITH US.
SHE REPRESENTS THE WEST CENTRAL FLORIDA LABOR COUNCIL, THE
LOCAL CHAPTER OF AFL-CIO.
SHE GUIDES ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF 80,000 UNION MEMBER
FAMILIES IN TAMPA BAY THROUGH COLLABORATION WITH LEADERSHIP
OF NUMEROUS LOCAL UNIONS.
HER ORGANIZATION IS FOCUSED ON ENSURING THAT WE HELP OUR
LOCAL COMMUNITIES WITH COMMON SENSE AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE

GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP AND ON LEGISLATION AND ELECTED
OFFICIALS THAT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF WORKING FAMILIES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
9:05:29AM >> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.
9:05:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 5th, WE WILL CELEBRATE LABOR DAY,
A HOLIDAY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED TO HONOR WORKERS AND BEGAN
WITH A PARADE AND PICNIC IN NEW YORK CITY IN 1882.
THIS EFFORT AND MANY STRUGGLES THAT FOLLOWED IN THE COMING
YEARS BUILT A MOMENTUM AS WORKERS ORGANIZED ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, UNIONS BECAME STRONG, AND OVER THE NEXT 50 YEARS,
BUILT THE MIDDLE CLASS.
SINCE THAT FIRST LABOR DAY, LABOR UNIONS HAVE PLAYED A
CENTRAL ROLE IN THE ELEVATION OF THE AMERICAN STANDARD OF
LIVING.
THE BENEFITS WHICH UNIONS HAVE NEGOTIATED FOR THEIR MEMBERS
ARE WIDESPREAD IN THE ECONOMY AND ENJOYED BY FELLOW WORKERS
OUTSIDE THE LABOR MOVEMENT.
IT CAN BE HARD TO REMEMBER THAT WHAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED,
OVERTIME PAY, PENSIONS, HEALTH AND SAFETY LAWS, VACATION
DAYS, RESTRICTIONS ON CHILD LABOR, A MINIMUM WAGE, AND THE
RIGHT TO ORGANIZE FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEVER EXISTED ON
ANY MEANINGFUL SCALE UNTIL UNIONS FOUGHT AND WON THEM FOR
WORKING PEOPLE.
TODAY, LABOR UNIONS ARE THE ONE AND ONLY VOICE FOR WORKERS.

WE CONTINUE TIRELESSLY TO PROTECT THESE GAINS FOR ALL
WORKERS, UNION OR NOT.
THROUGH POLITICAL ACTION AND ORGANIZING, WE EDUCATE OUR
MEMBERS TO STOP THE ATTACKS TO OUR VALUES OF EQUALITY,
RACIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE, AND FAIR TREATMENT IN THE
WORKPLACE.
WE SAFEGUARD THE FREEDOM TO JOIN A UNION, THE FREEDOM TO
EARN A LIVING WAGE, THE FREEDOM TO ACCESS HEALTH CARE AND
THE FREEDOM TO VOTE.
LABOR UNIONS ARE SEEING A SURGE IN WORKER ORGANIZING THAT
ISN'T HAPPENING BY ACCIDENT.
FROM AMAZON WAREHOUSES TO COFFEE SHOPS TO UNIVERSITY
CAMPUSES AND BEYOND, WORKING PEOPLE ARE ORGANIZING AND
RISING.
THIS MOMENTUM IS THE PRODUCT OF DECADES OF WORKER
FRUSTRATION DRIVEN BY LOW WAGES, UNSAFE WORKPLACES,
UNAFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE, AND A LACK OF RESPECT AND DIGNITY
ON THE JOB.
WE SUPPORT THESE EFFORTS TO BUILD OUR MOVEMENT AND REBUILD
THE MIDDLE CLASS.
LABOR DAY, IT'S A HARD-EARNED HOLIDAY COMING OUT OF THE
STRUGGLES OF WORKING PEOPLE FOR THE EIGHT-HOUR DAY AND THE
RIGHT TO ORGANIZE UNIONS.
IT IS TIME TO HONOR THE SACRIFICES BY MANY OF OUR UNION
MEMBERS IN EXPANDING THEIR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OVER DECADES

TO CREATE BETTER LIVES FOR OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILIES.
WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US IN THE FIGHT TO BUILD A STRONGER
DEMOCRACY AND PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS, TO NOT MOVE BACKWARDS,
ALWAYS FORWARDS.
THANK YOU, AND PLEASE ALLOW ME TO INFORMALLY INVITE YOU TO
OUR LABOR DAY CELEBRATION, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 5th IN APOLLO
BEACH.
HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
THANK YOU.
9:08:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
TO THE FLAG OF OUR COUNTRY.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:08:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE BE SEATED.
ROLL CALL.
9:08:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:08:43AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:08:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:08:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:08:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
9:08:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:08:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
9:08:50AM >>THE CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:08:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MR. MASSEY.
9:08:53AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

THIS IS THE AUGUST 25, 2022, MEETING OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL HELD IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE THIRD
FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD HERE IN
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING IN PERSON OR VIEW
IT BY CABLE TELEVISION ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640 OR FRONTIER
CHANNEL 15, OR BY THE INTERNET VIA
www.TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
THE PUBLIC IS ALSO ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER
SPEAKER EITHER HERE IN PERSON IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR
VIRTUALLY BY WAY OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
HOWEVER, THE USE OF CMT DOES REQUIRE PREREGISTRATION WITH
THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
DIRECTIONS FOR PREREGISTRATION ARE INCLUDED IN THE NOTICE OF
THE MEETING AND ON THE AGENDA.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ALSO PARTICIPATE IN QUASI-JUDICIAL
MATTERS ON THIS AGENDA EITHER REMOTELY ALSO BY CMT, CELL
PHONES AND SMARTPHONES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE AS THEY WILL NOT
ALLOW YOUR CAMERA WHEN CONNECTED.
YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS TO A CMT DEVICE SUCH AS A TABLET OR
COMPUTER EQUIPPED WITH A CAMERA AND A MICROPHONE THAT WILL
ENABLE YOU TO BE ABLE TO BOTH SEEN AND HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL
AND ALL OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
CAN I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE CITY COUNCIL RULES

TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AND APPEARANCE BY CITY ADMINISTRATOR
STAFF AND THE PUBLIC VIA CMT?
9:10:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS?
THANK YOU.
9:10:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, POINT
OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, SIR.
I WANT TO OFFICIALLY WELCOME MY NEW LEGISLATIVE AIDE, MS. CT
HARRIS.
WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND SHE'S ALREADY HIT THE GROUND
RUNNING.
COUNCIL, I WANT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU ALL, MS. CT HARRIS.
THANK YOU.
9:10:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WELCOME.
ALL RIGHT.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE A COMMENDATION FOR AN ATU MEMBER.
9:11:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AGAIN, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF HONORING ONE OF OUR ATU
MEMBERS.
I SEE YOU BROUGHT THE WHOLE GANG THIS MORNING, WHICH IS
GOOD.
WE WANT TO GIVE HONOR TO JORGE HERNANDEZ.

9:11:38AM >> YES, SIR.
9:11:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JORGE IS ONE OF OUR ATU WORKERS.
APPARENTLY, HE WORKS IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S DIVISION.
AGAIN, LET ME JUST READ A FEW THINGS.
IN RECOGNITION OF JORGE HERNANDEZ, THE ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE
MONTH, FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION WITH THE TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE MAINTENANCE DIVISION.
JORGE BEGAN HIS CAREER WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA IN 2012.
JORGE WORKS COUNTLESS HOURS AND AT TIMES UNDER EXTREME
CONDITIONS, ALL IN THE ASPECT OF TAMPA FIRE MARINE VESSELS.
JORGE'S DETERMINATION AND DEDICATION NOT TO STOP REPAIRS
UNTIL THE UNIT IS BACK IN SERVICE IS AN EXAMPLE OF MULTIPLE
INSTANCES OF HIS HARD WORK.
JORGE'S WORK IS CRITICAL TO KEEPING THE CITY SAFE.
WHAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, THOSE VEHICLES JUST LIKE
POLICE VEHICLES, THEY DEPEND ON THOSE VEHICLES, RIGHT, SAL?
WANT A GOOD RUNNING VEHICLE TO GET THERE AND FIRE DEPENDS ON
THOSE VEHICLES TO BE UP TO THE PAR.
THE -- THE MECHANIC WORKING ON THEM, THESE GUYS PRAISE YOU
FOR THAT.
AGAIN, FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION, THE CITY COUNCIL
OF TAMPA IS PROUD TO PRESENT THE COMMENDATION TO JORGE WHO
EXEMPLIFIES THE TYPE OF EMPLOYEE WHO EVERYONE ADMIRES.
YOU ARE A GREAT ASSET TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I SAW THANK YOU.

CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
IT'S BEEN A WILD CRAZY DAY.
I'LL LET HIM TALK A LITTLE MORE.
9:13:24AM >> YES, SIR.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M STEVE SIMON, PRESIDENT OF ATU LOCAL 1464.
I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH,
MR. GEORGE HERNANDEZ.
[ APPLAUSE ]
GEORGE HERNANDEZ IS A PROFESSIONAL VETERAN TECHNICIAN
NEARING 20 YEARS -- ACTUALLY, HE JUST CROSSED OVER HIS
20-YEAR MARK TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SPECIFICALLY WITHIN TAMPA FIRE RESCUE MAINTENANCE.
MR. HERNANDEZ WORKS COUNTLESS HOURS AND AT TIMES UNDER
EXTREME CONDITIONS ON ALL ASPECTS OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE'S
MARINE VESSELS.
FROM SMALL 10-HORSEPOWER OUTBOARD ENGINES TO THE
STATE-OF-THE-ART FB-1, THE PATRIOT, WHICH IS A
32,000-HORSEPOWER FIRE RESCUE SHIP, HE DOES IT ALL.
THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE INSTANCES WHERE TFR FIRE BOAT WAS
ABLE TO RESPOND AND MAKE A LIFESAVING RESCUE OR EXTINGUISH A
BOAT FIRE BECAUSE OF MR. HERNANDEZ'S DETERMINATION AND
DEDICATION TO NOT STOP REPAIRS UNTIL THE UNIT IS BACK IN

SERVICE.
WHETHER IT'S WORKING ON A SHIP OR REPAIRING TFR'S FIRE
APPARATUS, GEORGE'S WORK IS CRITICAL TO KEEPING THE CITY
SAFE.
MR. HERNANDEZ HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE
INSTRUMENTAL FOR THE SUCCESS OF KEEPING TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
MARINE UNITS OPERATIONAL AND AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO THE
NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC AND IN AND AROUND THE WATERWAYS OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TOWARDS KEEPING THE
CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU A
LETTER FROM THE MAYOR.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO READ THAT.
DEAR GEORGE, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING SELECTED AS THE
AMALGAMATED TRANSIT UNION EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR YOUR
PROFESSIONALISM, STRONG WORK ETHICS, LEADERSHIP, AND FOR
GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND IN ALL ASPECTS IN YOUR POSITION AS
FLEET MECHANIC II.
YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED SUCH A FIRM COMMITMENT AND HIGH
STANDARDS FROM YOUR HIRE DATE IN AUGUST OF 2022 AND YOUR
DEDICATION AS A MEMBER OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE MAINTENANCE
ENSURING MARINE VESSELS AND FIRE APPARATUS ARE IN OPTIMAL
WORKING ORDER HAS EARNED YOU THE RESPECT OF YOUR SUPERIORS
AND PEERS ALIKE.

YOU CAN SEE HE IS LOVED.
YOU ARE WELL KNOWN AS SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO DO WHATEVER
IT TAKES IN MAKING SURE THE FIRE BOATS ARE IN OUTSTANDING
CONDITION SO THEY ARE READY AND ABLE TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS
AND OUR CITY.
NO DOUBT YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND COMMITMENT HAS
CONTRIBUTED TO SAVING LIVES AND PROPERTY IN MANY INSTANCES.
YOU ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CITY'S MISSION OF PROVIDING
SUPERIOR SERVICES AND YOUR ABILITIES, PROFICIENCIES AND
OUTSTANDING ATTITUDE MAKE YOU HIGHLY DESERVING OF THIS
SPECIAL RECOGNITION.
YOU ARE AN ASSET TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, LOGISTICS AND ASSET
MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, AND TO OUR
COMMUNITY.
YOU ARE ADMIRED, WELL-RESPECTED, AND SET A SHINING EXAMPLE
FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW.
IT IS EMPLOYEES LIKE YOU, GEORGE, THAT MAKE ME PROUD TO
SERVE AS MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE.
SINCERELY, MAYOR JANE.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET
MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, ADRI COLINA, TO SAY A FEW WORDS
PLEASE.
9:16:53AM >> ABSOLUTELY, IT'S MY HONOR.
ADRI COLINA, DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.

I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. SIMON, FOR RECOGNIZING THE
BEHIND-THE-SCENES TEAM.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY.
WHEN YOU CALL 911, YOU EXPECT THAT FIRE TRUCK TO SHOW UP,
THAT POLICE VEHICLE TO COME HELP YOU.
IF IT'S NOT FOR THIS TEAM AND PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE, THEY DON'T
HAVE RELIABLE VEHICLES TO GET TO YOU.
GEORGE IS AN OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEE, AS YOU CAN SEE.
HE IS A TAMPA NATIVE.
DOING THIS FOR HIS HOMETOWN, BUT THERE'S NO "I" IN TEAM.
I HAVE TO RECOGNIZE HIS SUPERVISOR KEVIN MADISON, HIS
MANAGER GARY STUART, AND OUR FEARLESS LEADER SAL RUGGIERO
WHO STRAIGHT UP GIVES US THE TOOLS WE NEED.
HE SUPPORTS US.
AS A TEAM, WE'RE THE BEST CITY DEPARTMENT AND I'M A LITTLE
BIAS, BUT I SAID IT.
CONGRATS, GEORGE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
9:17:44AM >> COUNCIL, IF I MAY, I'D ALSO LIKE TO BRING UP DEPUTY
ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, SAL RUGGIERO, TO SAY A FEW
WORDS.
9:17:51AM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
I WANT TO ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE DID ASSESS FIRE FLEET.
AND AS A RESULT, WE'RE GOING TO SEND TWO MORE MECHANICS OVER
THERE OCTOBER 1st TO HELP WITH THE BACKLOG AND GETTING THE

TRUCKS OUT.
WE WANT TO BEEF UP THAT UNIT.
OCTOBER 1st, THEY GET TWO MORE UNITS.
JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.
9:18:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN I SEE THE SPELLING, I THINK OF THE
SPANISH WAY AUTOMATICALLY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME GOODIES AND COUNCIL WILL SAY A FEW
WORDS.
GENTLEMEN, I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN FAIRNESS AND EQUITY.
FOR MANY YEARS, OUR POLICE AND FIRE HAVE PERCEIVED -- THAT
WILL HAPPEN NO MORE.
THE ATU WILL GET A GAME BALL.
WHEN I USED TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, THESE GUYS ARE OUT THERE
SETTING UP ROADS, DOING CERTAIN THINGS FOR EVENTS.
THEY DESERVE THE SAME.
OFFICIALLY TODAY, GAME BALL TO ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES.
9:19:00AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:19:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COME TO THE OTHER SIDE SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR
YOU.
9:19:17AM >> BRIAN FORD.
AS COUNCILMAN MENTIONED, WHEN HE BROUGHT THIS AWARD TO MY
ATTENTION, WE APPRECIATE THE BEHIND-THE-SCENES EFFORTS AS
WELL.

WE HAVE A TRADITION AT ONE BUC, ANYBODY THAT GOES OVER AND
ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.
HERE IS A LITTLE SOUVENIR FOR YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR ALL YOU DO FOR OUR CITY AND
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THIS AS WELL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:19:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOT SOME OTHER FOLKS TO BRING UP SOME
GOODIES.
9:19:53AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONGRATULATIONS.
WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.
ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS, WE'RE GOING
TO PROVIDE WITH YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO YUMMY HOUSE CHINA
BISTRO.
GO ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE.
ON BEHALF OF THE CICCIO'S GROUP AND GREEN LEMON, WE'RE
PROVIDING YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO YOU CAN GO OVER
THERE.
ON BEHALF OF BELLABRAVA, WHICH IS IN THE MIDTOWN, YOU CAN
ENJOY YOURSELF THERE.
CONGRATULATIONS.
I HOPE YOU ENJOY THAT.
9:20:26AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]

9:20:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ANDREW CARTER, PRESIDENT OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754.
YOU HEARD IT.
KEEPING THE TRUCKS ROLLING, KEEPING THE BOATS FLOATING.
THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
THE WORK YOU DO, I WANT TO APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU FOR
EVERYTHING YOU AND THE TEAM DOES.
THANK YOU FOR TWO ADDITIONAL MECHANICS.
THAT WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
ON BEHALF OF ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS,
HERE IS A GIFT CARD FOR YOU TO ENJOY.
9:20:59AM >> THANK YOU.
9:20:59AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:21:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HAVE YOU SAY A FEW WORDS.
OH, WE HAVE MORE COMING.
9:21:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPP'S TOWING ON BEHALF OF TODD STEPP AND
THE FAMILY.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT WITH YOU A GIFT CARD TO THE OUTBACK
STEAKHOUSE RESTAURANT.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:21:33AM >> AND ALSO, ON BEHALF OF ATU LOCAL 1464, WE APPRECIATE
EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO TO HELP KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA

RUNNING.
SO WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT WITH YOU A TOKEN OF APPRECIATION AS
WELL.
$100 GIFT CARD.
9:21:46AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE IT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:21:52AM >> I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT TODAY TO
SUPPORT ME AND THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ALL THE STAFF.
IT REALLY MEANS A LOT TO ME.
I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:22:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COUNCIL MEMBERS?
9:22:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:22:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO.
I'M SORRY I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET YOU YET.
IF YOU EVER NEED ANYTHING, LET ME KNOW.
LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU AND ALL THE GREAT EFFORTS
YOU'RE DOING.
9:22:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.
IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO BE HONORED AS THE ATU EMPLOYEE, AND
IT'S OBVIOUS BY YOUR CHARISMA, DEMEANOR AND THE MANY PEOPLE
THAT SHOWED UP FOR YOU THAT YOU DO GREAT WORK AND PEOPLE
SUPPORT YOU.

THAT'S WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND GOD BLESS YOU.
9:22:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAD COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:22:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
AS MR. SIMON SAYS, YOU KEEP THE CITY RUNNING AND YOU ARE
THAT GUY AND WITH YOUR TEAM.
SO WE APPRECIATE IT.
IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU, YOU HEARD IT FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.
WE WOULDN'T BE MOVING FORWARD AND EFFICIENTLY.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
CONGRATULATIONS.
VERY WELL DESERVED.
9:23:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:23:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATULATIONS ON 20 YEARS AND BEING CHOSEN
AS THE ATU LOCAL EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH.
WE ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.
AND I LOVE THESE BECAUSE I LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THE CITY
RUNS.
IT IS TRUE, WE ABSOLUTELY COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU.
WE WERE ALL WONDERING WHY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS HERE THIS
MORNING.
OH, MY GOSH, WE DON'T HAVE A COMMENDATION FOR THEM TODAY.
BUT THEY SHOWED UP FOR YOU.
I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA REALLY APPRECIATES YOUR WORK
AND EVERYONE HERE WHO'S COME TO SUPPORT YOU DOES AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
9:23:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:23:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
MR. HERNANDEZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
YOU KEEP THINGS RUNNING, LIKE SIMON SAYS.
EVIDENTLY, YOU AND I ARE KEEPING THE BARBERS VERY, VERY
THIN.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WAY YOU LOOK.
IT MAKES ME FEEL AT HOME.
I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN.
[SPEAKING SPANISH]
FROM TEN HORSE-POWER TO 32,000-HORSEPOWER, YOU'RE ONE HELL
OF A GUY.
9:24:24AM >> THANK YOU.
9:24:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU'RE STATION 9.
9:24:28AM >> YES, SIR.
9:24:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GREAT STATION.
TAKES CARE OF THE MOVING PARTS.
TAKES CARE OF THE FIRE AND THE EMERGENCIES.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.
BUT MORE ESPECIALLY AS YOU LOOK AROUND THIS ROOM, THANK YOU

FOR BEING PART OF THE FAMILY THAT IS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
9:24:47AM >> YES, SIR.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:25:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:25:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE TO DO THE
OFFICER OF THE MONTH HERE FOR OFFICER JORGE TAMARGO.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CHIEF O'CONNOR TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THIS FINE GENTLEMAN'S BACKGROUND.
IT'S ALWAYS THE PLEASURE OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO HONOR OUR
POLICE OFFICERS UNDER THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH PROGRAM.
IT IS A VERY SMALL GESTURE OF APPRECIATION, SINCERE
APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THEY DO.
IT'S A LEVEL OF APPRECIATION THAT WE DO AS REPRESENTATIVES
OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO OVERWHELMINGLY
STRONGLY SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN THE WORK THAT THEY
DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO THAT REFLECTS THE VALUES OF THE
PEOPLE WHO WE HAVE THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING WHO SUPPORT OUR
FIRST RESPONDERS, INCLUDING THOSE POLICE OFFICERS WHO EVERY
SINGLE DAY PUT THEIR LIFE IN DANGER TO PROTECT US.
AND NONE GREATER THAN OFFICER TAMARGO HERE.
I WILL INTRODUCE CHIEF O'CONNOR WHO WILL COME AND SAY SOME
BACKGROUND ON THIS FINE YOUNG GENTLEMAN.
9:26:33AM >>CHIEF O'CONNOR:
GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

CHIEF MARY O'CONNOR HERE WITH OFFICER GEORGE TAMARGO.
HE IS A SEVEN-YEAR VETERAN OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS THAT HE'S DONE TO
DESERVE THIS FINE RECOGNITION TODAY.
SINCE FEBRUARY 2021, OFFICER GEORGE TAMARGO HAS BEEN
ASSIGNED TO STREET ANTI-CRIMES, SQUAD NUMBER 331 IN DISTRICT
3.
DURING THE MONTH OF MAY 2022, OFFICER TAMARGO HAS PLAYED AN
INTEGRAL PART IN THE CRIME FIGHT WHILE DISPLAYING THE
ABILITY TO MULTITASK DURING HIGH-STRESS SITUATIONS WHILE
REQUIRING MINIMAL SUPERVISION.
OFFICER TAMARGO IS SELF-MOTIVATING AND CONSTANTLY REACHES
OUT TO HIS UNITS TO ASSIST WITH LATENT INVESTIGATIONS AND
FOLLOW-UPS.
HE HAS ALSO DEVELOPED A RAPPORT WITH SEVERAL CITIZENS IN
DISTRICT 3 THAT REACH OUT TO HIM DAILY.
SOME OF THE NOTABLE ARRESTS DURING THE MONTH OF MAY 2022 FOR
OFFICER TAMARGO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:
ON MAY 9th, OFFICER TAMARGO ATTEMPTED A TRAFFIC STOP FOR
EQUIPMENT VIOLATION AND THE VEHICLE FLED.
DURING THIS INVESTIGATION, OFFICER TAMARGO WAS ABLE TO
DEVELOP LEADS FOR THE SUSPECT DRIVER AND LOCATE THE VEHICLE
WHICH HE FOUND ABANDONED.
OFFICER TAMARGO AND HIS PARTNER SET UP SURVEILLANCE,
WITNESSED THE DRIVER COMING BACK TO THE VEHICLE AND WAS

SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED WITHOUT INCIDENT.
A SEARCH OF THE VEHICLE REVEALED FELONY AMOUNTS OF NARCOTICS
ALONG WITH A FIREARM.
THE DEFENDANT WAS ALSO ON FELONY PROBATION AND WAS CHARGED
ACCORDINGLY.
ON MAY 18th, OFFICER TAMARGO WITNESSED AN ARMED CARJACKING
TAKE PLACE IN FRONT OF KING'S MEAT MARKET.
OFFICER TAMARGO AND HIS PARTNER WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE
DIRECTION OF TRAVEL FOR THE THREE SUSPECTS LEADING TO THE
APPREHENSION OF TWO OF THE THREE SUSPECTS.
IN ADDITION, THE FIREARM USED DURING THE OFFENSE WAS
RECOVERED DURING THE FOOT CHASE OF THE SUSPECTS.
OFFICER TAMARGO WAS ABLE TO INTERVIEW THE VICTIM IN THIS
CASE AND THROUGH LATENT INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES WAS ABLE TO
IDENTIFY THE THIRD SUSPECT.
THIS SUSPECT WAS FROM OUT OF STATE, SO THE OFFICER REACHED
OUT TO THE LOUISIANA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO OBTAIN A PHOTO OF
THE SUSPECT.
HE THEN CREATED A PHOTO PACK WHICH WAS SHOWN TO THE VICTIM
WHO SUBSEQUENTLY IDENTIFIED THE ALLEGED SUSPECT.
HE THEN COMPLETED AN ARREST WARRANT AND REACHED OUT TO THE
FUGITIVE APPREHENSION UNIT WHO WERE ABLE TO ARREST THE
SUSPECT AFTER HE FLED BACK TO HIS HOME STATE OF LOUISIANA.
DURING THE WEEK OF MAY 25th, OFFICER TAMARGO CONDUCTED TWO
SEPARATE PROSTITUTION OPERATIONS OFF NEBRASKA AVENUE

CORRIDOR AFTER SEVERAL CITIZEN COMPLAINTS.
DURING THE OPERATION A TOTAL OF 11 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED AND
7 MOTOR VEHICLES WERE SEIZED DURING THIS QUALITY-OF-LIFE
INVESTIGATION.
THIS OPERATION INVOLVED SEVERAL OFFICERS FROM MULTIPLE
SQUADS IN DISTRICT 3 AND OFFICER TAMARGO WAS ABLE TO
SUCCESSFULLY MANAGE THE ENTIRE OPERATION WITH MINIMAL INPUT
FROM SUPERVISORS.
THESE ARE JUST A FEW INSTANCES WHERE THIS OFFICER HAS GONE
ABOVE AND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF HIS DUTIES.
OFFICER TAMARGO BRINGS AN ENTHUSIASTIC DEMEANOR TO WORK EACH
DAY AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA INSPIRES
HIS FELLOW SQUAD MATES.
FOR THESE REASONS, OFFICER GEORGE TAMARGO HAS BEEN SELECTED
AS TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR AUGUST
2022.
I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT WHEN WE BROUGHT OFFICER TAMARGO TO
THE AWARD CEREMONY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT POLICE
HEADQUARTERS, HIS SQUAD WAS ALL THERE ENTHUSIASTICALLY
CHEERING HIM ON.
WHEN I MENTIONED THAT TO HIM THAT IT WAS REALLY HONORABLE
THAT HIS WHOLE SQUAD CAME ON THEIR DAY OFF TO HONOR HIM, HE
SAID THAT THIS AWARD WAS DESERVING OF THEIR RECOGNITION, NOT
JUST HIS.
SO HIS TEAMWORK IS EXEMPLARY AND I WANTED TO MENTION THAT TO

YOU.
WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OFFICER TAMARGO AND HAPPY TO HONOR HIM
TODAY, SO THANK YOU.
9:30:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.
WE APPRECIATE THAT.
BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE GOODIES, AND WE SEE WE HAVE SOME
FAMILY MEMBERS.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME, BUDDY?
GOD BLESS HIM.
IT'S OUR GREAT HONOR TO PRESENT TO OFFICER JORGE TAMARGO THE
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION FOR OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOES TO HIM AND TO HIS WONDERFUL
FAMILY THAT SUPPORTS HIM IN HIS JOB.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, SIR.
AFTERWARDS WE'LL HAVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COME OUT AND
HONOR YOU AND THEN COUNCIL WILL SPEAK.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
LET'S GIVE HIM A HAND.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:31:05AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR HAVING ME TODAY AND HONORING ME
WITH THIS AWARD.
I'M JUST THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS AWARD.
I'M NOT THE ONE WHO DESERVES GETTING THIS AWARD.
THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF OFFICERS WHO WORK EVERY
DAY WHO PUT THEIR UNIFORMS ON, KISS THEIR FAMILIES AND WALK

OUT THE DOOR NOT KNOWING IF THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK.
THEY MISS BIRTHDAYS, VACATIONS, SPECIAL EVENTS.
THEY ARE EQUALLY AS DESERVING OF THIS AWARD.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION MY SQUAD 331 WHO ON A
DAILY BASIS HUNTS, FINDS, AND ARRESTS VIOLENT FELONS IN AND
AROUND EAST TAMPA AND HELPING KEEP THAT COMMUNITY SAFE.
I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL AND ANYBODY ELSE HERE JUST ONE FAVOR
BEFORE I FINISH MY REMARKS.
WHEN THEY LEAVE THIS BUILDING TODAY TO NEXT TIME THEY SEE A
POLICE OFFICER, DOESN'T MATTER WHO, TO EXTEND THEIR HAND TO
THAT POLICE OFFICER AND TELL THEM THANK YOU.
NOT THE TYPICAL THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BUT A SINCERE
THANK YOU FOR WHAT THEY DO IN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THEY PUT
THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE EVERY DAY AND HOW THEY HELP THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT IS OUR PLEASURE NOW TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY COME FORWARD AND EXPRESS THEIR APPRECIATION TO
OFFICER TAMARGO.
I WANTED TO BUILD ON WHAT HE SAID.
WHENEVER I TALK TO OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS, ALWAYS SAY
THEY RUN INTO SITUATIONS THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME RUN AWAY FROM.
I ALWAYS THINK THAT IS A GOOD ADEQUATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT
HAPPENS.

9:32:38AM >> BRANDON BARKLEY, VICE PRESIDENT TAMPA PBA.
OFFICER TAMARGO, WE'RE PRESENTING YOU WITH THIS PLAQUE.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
OBVIOUSLY, THE CHIEF SAID ALL THE PHENOMENAL THINGS BOTH YOU
AND YOUR SQUAD DO.
WE APPRECIATE YOU AND THE CITIZENS ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
9:32:52AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:33:01AM >> OFFICER TAMARGO, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY
AND COLUMBIA RESTAURANT.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WITH A GIFT CARD TO
THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT FOR YOU TO ENJOY AT ANY COLUMBIA
RESTAURANT LOCATION ACROSS FLORIDA.
ENJOY WITH YOUR FAMILY, A NIGHT OFF, YOU DESERVE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:33:27AM >> MIRANDA HILTON FROM STEPP'S TOWING.
ON BEHALF TODD STEPP AND THE STEPP'S TOWING FAMILY WE THANK
YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
WE HAVE A GIFT CARD TO A RESTAURANT FOR YOU AS WELL AS A
FIVE-HOUR LIMOUSINE SERVICE FOR YOU AND 18 OF YOUR CLOSEST
FRIENDS TO ENJOY A NIGHT OUT ON US.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOU DO.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:33:56AM >> GOOD MORNING AGAIN, COUNCIL, CHIEF, OFFICER TAMARGO, YOU

HAD ONE HECK OF A MAY.
BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THANK YOU, AS YOU MENTIONED, FOR WHAT
YOU DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT, THE SACRIFICE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY
GIVE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AS AN ORGANIZATION, THE GLAZER FAMILY, WE WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
CONGRATULATE YOU ON THIS WONDERFUL HONOR.
9:34:17AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:34:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MARY LOU BAILEY.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA.
I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THERE.
WITH ME IS --
9:34:31AM >> MARK HEANEY.
I'M THE CHIEF EXTERNAL RELATIONS OFFICER.
9:34:35AM >> I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS OF RECOGNIZING THE ENTIRE
FORCE OF TAMPA POLICE.
YOU GUYS ALL ROCK.
BUT YOU'RE VERY SPECIAL TO HAVE THIS DISTINGUISHED HONOR.
TAKE IT TO YOUR HEART.
ENJOY IT WITH YOUR FAMILY.
WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT YOU WITH AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO ZOO
TAMPA.

HOPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY LOVE IT AND HAVE FUN AND COME TO
LOVE ANIMALS AS MUCH AS MARK AND I DO.
THE ANNUAL PASS ALSO COMES WITH ADMISSION TO THINGS LIKE THE
UPCOMING HALLOWEEN EVENTS, CHRISTMAS IN THE WILD EVENTS AND
ALL KINDS OF FUN THINGS I HOPE YOU ENJOY AND THAT YOU JOIN
OUR MISSION OF SAVING ANIMALS LIKE YOU SAVE HUMAN LIVES.
THANKS AGAIN.
CONGRATULATIONS.
9:35:14AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:35:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE, I'M HONORED TO GIVE YOU THE GIFT
OF A MEMBERSHIP SO YOU CAN COME AND VISIT US, MAYBE A DATE
NIGHT FOR YOUR NIGHT AND CANDY FOR THE LITTLE ONE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:35:38AM >> RUNNING OUT OF HANDS.
STEVE MICHELINI.
LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY AND
ITS CITIZENS.
ON BEHALF OF MEAT MARKET AND OLD HYDE PARK, WE'RE PROVIDING
WITH YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE.
ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
BEHALF OF CICCIO'S RESTAURANT GROUP, BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR

DINNER.
BELLABRAVA MIDTOWN, GO ENJOY YOURSELF FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
BEHALF OF THE TAMPA YMCA, A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO GO OVER
THERE.
YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, YOU CAN ENJOY YOURSELF THERE FOR
LUNCH OR DINNER.
CONGRATULATIONS.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
9:36:16AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:36:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT, MR. CHAIR.
9:36:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:36:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR ALL YOUR
DEDICATION AND SERVICE AND NOW MORE THAN EVER WE NEED YOUR
HELP AND PROTECTION.
THE SIGN OF A GREAT LEADER IS THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE
CREDIT TO OTHERS.
WE ALL SEE THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN HIGHER
LEVEL LEADERSHIP SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
9:36:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS.
VERY WELL DESERVED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE AND YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY.
SPEAKING OF FAMILY, I KNOW THE TAMARGOS WELL.
I SEE CYNTHIA THERE, A LONGTIME FRIEND OF MY MOTHER'S.

YOU COME FROM A GREAT FAMILY, WELL-RESPECTED IN THE
COMMUNITY IN WEST TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY FOR
EVERYTHING THEY DO.
VERY WELL DESERVED, SIR.
THANK YOU.
9:37:10AM >> THANK YOU.
9:37:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO, ESPECIALLY
IN DISTRICT 3 IN AN AREA THAT IS SUFFERING FROM GUN
VIOLENCE.
I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS YOU TAKING THE GUNS OFF
THE STREET.
I REALLY LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR CREATIVITY AND THE ABILITY
TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND DO THINGS WITH THE SUPPORT OF
YOUR SUPERIORS, BUT NOT NEEDING THE HAND HOLDING.
I THINK THAT IS A GREAT SIGN OF A TRUE LEADER TO COME.
SO CONGRATULATIONS.
9:37:40AM >> THANK YOU.
9:37:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:37:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SAC SQUAD, BROUGHT THAT BACK.
9:37:49AM >> YES, SIR.
9:37:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN THE BRIEF THAT WAS GIVEN, I HEARD KINGS
MARKET.
EYESORE OF 22nd STREET CORRIDOR.
I KNOW THE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE ON THAT CORRIDOR AND ON

LAKE AVENUE.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICER THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET
DEVELOPMENT ON LAKE AVENUE.
LIQUOR STORE, MEAT MARKET, GOOD HOUSING, AND REALLY GIVE AN
IMPACT TO 22nd STREET AND LAKE AVENUE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
9:38:27AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:38:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AGAIN, THE TAMARGO FAMILY IS VERY WELL KNOWN.
I REMEMBER -- WELL, A LOT OF YEARS BACK, THERE WAS A KID
PITCHING IN WEST TAMPA.
I DON'T KNOW IF PART OF YOUR FAMILY.
KID NAMED TAMARGO.
HE LED IN EVERYTHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED, IF HE PLAYED ANY MORE BALL
AFTER THAT.
I KNOW HE WAS A FANTASTIC BALLPLAYER.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS UNBELIEVABLE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND WHICH WAY THIS COUNTRY IS GOING,
MORE KIDS, YOUNG PEOPLE UNDER 21 ARE GETTING KILLED BY
GUNFIRE THAN BY TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, AND THAT'S SHAMEFUL, NOT
THAT I WANT TO SEE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS GO UP, NO.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT COUNTRIES, WE HAVE THE DISTINCT HONOR OF
BEING MORE DEATH BY GUNFIRE UNDER THE SAME AGE, 21 AND DOWN,

THAN THE NEXT 15 COUNTRIES THAT HAVE SUBTYPE OF GOVERNMENT
LIKE WE DO.
THAT'S SHAMEFUL.
THIS COUNTRY BETTER GET AHOLD OF THEMSELVES, WHAT'S COMING
HERE NO ONE CAN STOP.
I IMAGINE EVEN IN THIS CITY, ALTHOUGH WE'RE DOING GREAT WITH
CHIEF OF POLICE O'CONNOR AND THE REST OF THE GENTLEMEN AND
LADIES THAT WORK AT TPD, WE'RE NOT HEADING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION.
UP TO ALL OF US, NOT ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALL OF US
TO GET BEHIND AND STOP THIS STUPIDITY OF KILLING SOMEBODY.
JUST YESTERDAY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND I WENT TO A BENCH
DEDICATION, AND IT WAS JUST PITIFUL TO SEE SOMEBODY WHO WAS
21 YEARS OLD WHO HAD A 5.0 OUT OF PLANT WHO WAS A NURSE AND
WORKING AT TAMPA GENERAL GET SHOT BY SENSELESS INDIVIDUALS
JUST SHOOTING AT A CAR.
WHAT WORSE THAN THAT CAN YOU HAVE?
JUST PUT YOUR SHOES IN THOSE FAMILIES, FEEL FOR A WHILE AND
SEE HOW THEY FEEL.
INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF AND ALL THE POLICE AND ALL THE
DEPUTIES AND ALL OF THEM THAT WORK IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU
DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE COMING BACK, YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE THIS
COUNTRY IS GETTING SENSELESS.
IT'S GETTING STUPID.
YOU DON'T KILL SOMEBODY WITHOUT REPARATIONS.

SO THEY ARE KILLING EACH OTHER FOR WHATEVER REASON.
THIS IS NOT 1820 WHEN BILLY THE KID WAS OUT THERE FIGHTING
IN THE WEST DOING WHATEVER HE WANTED TO DO.
THIS IS -- SOCIETY IS SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
IF I DID, WE COULD SOLVE IT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
BUT IT'S A COMBINATION OF MANY THINGS, INCLUDING WHEN YOU'RE
BORN, ALL YOU SEE ON TV IS VIOLENCE.
ALL YOU SEE ON YOUR CELL PHONE IS VIOLENCE.
IT BECOMES, I GUESS, PART OF THE NORM.
IT CANNOT BE PART OF THE NORM MUCH LONGER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO.
GOD BLESS YOUR FAMILY.
GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU WITH A BADGE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:41:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHERE IS SHE AT?
THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR SHARING YOUR HUSBAND WITH US.
OFFICER TAMARGO, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR
THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE FAMILY OF TAMPA.
TO YOUR COMMENTS, WHEN MYSELF AND MY GIRLFRIEND GO AROUND TO
THE THINGS THAT WE DO, I WALK UP TO EVERY OFFICER AND I
SHAKE THEIR HAND.

THEY'LL USUALLY RESPOND, COUNCILMAN, HOW ARE YOU DOING?
MY GIRLFRIEND WILL SAY, DO YOU KNOW EVERY POLICE OFFICER IN
TAMPA?
I SAY NOT YET.
BUT I AM GOING TO MEET EVERY ONE AND THANK THEM.
THE LAST THING I SAY TO THEM IS, "HAVE A SAFE DAY."
OFFICER TAMARGO, THANK YOU.
THANK YOUR FAMILY SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
AND, OFFICER TAMARGO, HAVE A SAFE DAY.
9:42:31AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:42:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SULLIVAN.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S BEEN 60 YEARS -- 60 YEARS SINCE THE
TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAS COME INTO EXISTENCE.
WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 1974 AND YOU WOULD LOOK OUT OF THE TOP
OF THE FIRST FLORIDA BUILDING, WHICH WAS THE ONLY TALL
BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA, YOU WOULD SEE DISTANT LIGHTS --
CLEARWATER, ST. PETERSBURG.
YOU WOULD SEE DISTANT LIGHTS DOWN INTO MANATEE COUNTY.
AND WE WERE STILL SEPARATED.
60 YEARS AGO, THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL
BROUGHT US ALL TOGETHER, NOT ONLY HILLSBOROUGH, BUT
PINELLAS, MANATEE, PASCO, HERNANDO AND CITRUS COUNTIES.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS REGION, THIS TAMPA BAY REGION IS
GROWING QUICKLY, AND IT'S NO LONGER DISTANT LIGHTS.

SO WHAT'S GOOD FOR TAMPA IS GOOD FOR ST. PETERSBURG.
WHAT'S GOOD FOR CLEARWATER IS GOOD FOR DUNEDIN.
WHAT IS GOOD FOR DUNEDIN IS GOOD FOR MANATEE COUNTY.
WHAT IS EVER GOOD WE HAVE TO THINK MORE REGIONALLY ON A LOT
OF THINGS.
TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND MEETING NEEDS
OF THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL STRIVES FOR.
SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENERGY, PREPAREDNESS, NATURAL
RESOURCES, REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ALL
THIS IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
WE HAD -- WHEN I SAY WE BECAUSE I AM A MEMBER, BOARD MEMBER
OF THIS WONDERFUL GROUP, OF THIS GREAT COUNCIL -- HAD A
SUCCESSFUL REACH CONFERENCE WHICH DISCUSSED RESILIENCY IN
THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
THERE ARE ALSO -- I SEE A GOOD FRIEND IN THE BACK ALSO WITH
THE COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY SCENIC HIGHWAY TRAIL AND
IMPROVING IT AND MAKING IT SAFER FOR THE PEOPLE TO VISIT
THERE AND FOR THE TRAIL AND FOR THE COMMUTE.
SO MR. SULLIVAN IS HERE REPRESENTING THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL
PLANNING COUNCIL, AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS.
IT IS WITH PLEASURE THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES THE
TAMPA BAY REGIONAL COUNCIL WHO HAS FOR OVER 60 YEARS SERVED
OUR CITIZENS AND MEMBER GOVERNMENTS BY PROVIDING A FORUM TO
FASTER COMMUNICATIONS, COORDINATION, AND COLLABORATION IN
IDENTIFYING AND ADDRESSING ISSUES AND NEEDS REGIONALLY.

THEY ARE RECOGNIZED AS FLORIDA'S ONLY MULTIPURPOSE REGIONAL
ENTITY PROVIDING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, THE TAMPA BAY
REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL IS STRATEGIC REGIONAL POLICY PLAN
REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTES, WHICH INCLUDES ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, NATURAL RESOURCES,
REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE YOUR -- OUR -- 60th
ANNIVERSARY AS WELL AS YOUR EXCELLENT CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE
QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA BAY REGION ON THIS
DAY, THE 25th OF AUGUST, 2022.
CONGRATULATIONS.
9:47:06AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:47:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU, CHAIR CITRO, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
FOR 60 YEARS, THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAS REALLY
WORKED TO CONVENE THE REGION.
AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY, WE WERE ADVISED THAT THE FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION HAS AWARDED A
RESILIENCY GRANT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE REGIONAL PLANNING
COUNCIL WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
ON SEPTEMBER 8, WE ARE HOSTING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
AWARENESS EVENT, IF YOU WILL, AT PORT TAMPA BAY WITH THE
COAST GUARD ALONG WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH AND TAMPA FIRE

DEPARTMENTS.
SO WE CONTINUE TO DO OUR WORK.
AS THE COUNCILMAN MENTIONED FROM CITRUS COUNTY DOWN TO
MANATEE COUNTY.
WE ARE 3.8 MILLION PEOPLE, 5,000 SQUARE MILES.
FIFTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES.
IF THIS REGION WERE ITS OWN REGION, WE WOULD HAVE THE 55th
LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.
SO AS I LIKE TO SAY, THE TAMPA BAY REGION IS A REGION TO BE
RECKONED WITH AND IT IS WITH GREAT HONOR AND DISTINCTION
WE'RE PROUD TO REPRESENT YOU AS BEST WE CAN, AND WE LOOK
FORWARD TO THE NEXT 60 YEARS, COUNCILMAN.
9:48:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MR. BENSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD A FEW WORDS, PLEASE?
9:48:24AM >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SHAWN AND HIS TEAM ARE AN
INVALUABLE RESOURCE TO CITY OF TAMPA, PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
RESILIENCY INITIATIVES, WE WOULD HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED A
LOT.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITHOUT THE SUPPORT AND THE
PARTNERSHIP OF THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.
THANK YOU, SHAWN, FOR YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR ALL YOU DO FOR
US.
9:48:43AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:48:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR

ALL YOU DO.
I'M A HUGE PROPONENT OF REGIONALISM.
CITIZENS DON'T SEE BOUNDARIES.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS ARE.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CITY LIMITS ARE AND MOST
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COUNTY LINES ARE.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE IMPACT OF REGIONALISM, LOOK AT THE
BRIDGES EVERY DAY.
THEY ARE BUSY IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
WE KNOW 275, AS ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES WAS STUCK THE OTHER
DAY, 275 IS BACKED UP ALL THE TIME.
I-4 IS BACKED UP ALL THE TIME.
THEY LIVE IN ONE PLACE AND WORK IN ANOTHER AND FRIENDS AND
FAMILY ALL OVER.
THE MORE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, THE BETTER OUR ECONOMY WILL
CONTINUE TO GROW AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE WILL PROSPER.
THANK YOU.
9:49:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS ON 60 YEARS.
LIKE YOU SAID, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT 60 YEARS OF
PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REGION.
WE LIFT ONE ANOTHER UP.
WE STAY RESILIENT, BECOME MORE RESILIENT, AND TOGETHER WE
BUILD A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR EVERYONE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

THANK YOU TO CHAIRMAN CITRO WHO SERVES ON THAT BOARD.
I WAS THERE BRIEFLY, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE DEDICATION OF THE
CHAIRMAN AND WORKING WITH OUR OTHER PARTNERS.
CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.
9:50:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO WANT TO ECHO THE CONGRATULATIONS.
WHAT THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL DOES IN ALLOWING FOR ALL
OF US TO COME TOGETHER AND LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER AND SHARE
OUR SUCCESSES AND TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT IMPACT US ALL
REGIONALLY IS CRITICAL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF OUR
COMMUNITIES WOULD BE AS SUCCESSFUL WITHOUT IT, ESPECIALLY
ECONOMICALLY.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND FOR BEING
ESPECIALLY, AS MR. BENSON MENTIONED, A WONDERFUL RESOURCE
FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
9:50:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR 60 YEARS.
TIMES ARE CHANGING.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO CHANGE.
I'M HOPING THAT WE LOOK AT NEW IDEAS, LOW SOCIOECONOMIC
AREAS TO BRING THEM UP TO STANDARDS OF OTHER AREAS.
I'M HOPING THE STRIDE OF MOVING FORWARD, MOVING THE TRAIN TO
A DIFFERENT LEVEL WILL BE DIFFERENT.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR 60 YEARS.
9:51:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. VICE-CHAIRMAN.

AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR ORGANIZATION.
60 YEARS, SOMETIME IN THE MID 60s WHEN YOU STARTED, I
GUESS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, I SIT BACK AND I LAUGH AT
MYSELF.
I WONDER WHAT A GALLON OF MILK COST THEN, A SPARE TIRE COST
THEN, SPARK PLUG COST THEN, THINGS LIKE THAT, ALTHOUGH WE
NEED THEM, NEEDED THEM THEN, THEY ARE VERY HIGH COST NOW.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO HOUSING BECAUSE IT'S TRIPLED 15
DIFFERENT TIMES AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
I WANT TO THANK YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR UNDERSTANDING AND
GIVING ADVICE.
SOMETIMES WE TAKE IT; SOMETIMES WE DON'T.
AND THERE BETWEEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE THE ONES WE HAVE TO
STEP FORWARD, NEVER TAKE A STEP SIDEWAYS OR BACKWARDS
BECAUSE YOU'RE LOSING GROUND.
THE ENVIRONMENT IS CAVING IN AND MAKING JOKES ABOUT IT.
NO LONGER A LAUGHING MATTER OR JOKING MATTER.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COLORADO RIVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
RIVERS AT THE RHINE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS IN
POLAND, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR OWN, WE HAVE IN CALIFORNIA AND
THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU UNDERSTAND -- WE SHOULD ALL
UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT A JOKE ANYMORE.
IT IS REALITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

9:52:23AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:52:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT.
9:52:41AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO
REVIEW THE AGENDA.
WE DID NOT REVIEW THE AGENDA OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
9:52:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS HOPING TO DO THAT AFTER.
THROUGH YOUR ADVICE, WE'LL GO AHEAD.
SORRY, THOSE ABOUT READY TO SPEAK, BUT WE'LL DO OUR AGENDA
REVIEW.
9:53:14AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THERE WAS AN ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA.
SEVERAL ITEMS PULLED.
9:53:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHO DO WE HAVE FROM STAFF?
MS. FEELEY, WILL YOU DO OUR AGENDA REVIEW?
9:53:25AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THERE'S NO ONE HERE, I DON'T BELIEVE,
GENERALLY FROM STAFF.
THERE WAS AN ADDENDUM THAT CAME TO THE AGENDA.
TWO OR THREE THINGS PULLED BY INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR
DISCUSSION.
GENERALLY, WE RUN THROUGH THE STAFF ITEMS TO DETERMINE
WHETHER ANY OF THOSE ITEMS -- WHETHER A MEMO SUFFICES OR
WHETHER YOU NEEDED STAFF PRESENT FOR THOSE ITEMS.
9:53:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS HOPING THERE WOULD BE STAFF MEMBERS
HERE WHEN WE RUN THROUGH THE STAFF AGENDA ITEMS.

OKAY.
DO WE WANT TO RUN THROUGH OUR STAFF AGENDA ITEMS AT THIS
TIME?
9:54:06AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SURE.
THE STAFF REPORTS WON'T BE GIVEN AT THIS TIME.
I BELIEVE MR. ROGERO AND OTHERS ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON 5, 6,
7.
I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS.
9:54:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
5, 6, 7 ALSO WILL BE HEARD WITH 69 AND 70 AT
THE SAME TIME.
9:54:23AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CORRECT.
THOSE WERE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
9:54:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, THE FIRST THREE ITEMS, 5, 6, 7,
IF YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER ARE 260 MILLION PLUS AND THAT'S NOT
INCLUDING INTEREST.
IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN ITEMS.
WE EACH HAD SHORT BRIEFINGS THIS WEEK, AND THE PUBLIC HAS
NOT HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR THIS BEFORE.
I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THAT THE PUBLIC HEARD SOME OF IT.
I PULLED TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE MEETINGS THEY SAID IT WAS
PRESENTED AND IT WAS ONLY REFERENCES THAT THERE WOULD BE AN
ITEM COMING UP.
THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST ITEMS WE'VE EVER APPROVED IN THE
CITY.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE APPROVED THIS TRANSFER FROM THE

PRIVATE COMPANY TO THE CITY AND I NEVER MADE A MOTION BUT I
ASKED SEVERAL TIMES FOR THEM TO GIVES YOU AN UPDATE.
WE HAVE NOT HAD AN UPDATE IN THAT TIME.
THIS IS A MAJOR INVESTMENT BY THE CITY, MAJOR AMOUNT OF
MONEY, AND WE'RE BEING HIT WITH THIS ESSENTIALLY AT THE LAST
MINUTE.
THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS.
TODAY THEY WILL HEAR A PRESENTATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE AT LEAST 5,
6, 7, MAYBE THE OTHER TWO ITEMS, BUT GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE
PRESENTATION TODAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE VOTE -- MY MOTION IS TO
CONTINUE THE VOTE ON THESE BUDGET ITEMS UNTIL SEPTEMBER
1st SO THAT THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE I'LL MAKE A MOTION LATER THAT WE MAKE
SURE THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO HEARINGS ON ITEMS ABOVE A
CERTAIN DOLLAR LIMIT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC -- WE HAVE A DUTY TO
LET THE PUBLIC LISTEN TO THIS, UNDERSTAND IT, AND WEIGH IN.
9:56:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU ASKING THAT WE GO AHEAD AND HEAR
THESE AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON CONTINUING THEM OR NOT?
9:56:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY MOTION IS TO HAVE THEM PRESENT THESE BUT
CONTINUE -- I'M NOT FINISHED -- BUT CONTINUE THESE ITEMS,
NOT -- I'M ASKING TO CONTINUE THEM NOW UNTIL SEPTEMBER
1st, BUT TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION TODAY.
9:56:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD PREFER TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION

TODAY AND THEN WE CAN MAKE ANY DECISIONS AFTER WE HEAR THE
PRESENTATION.
9:56:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I DON'T GET A SECOND, THEN IT'S MOOT
ANYWAY.
I MADE A MOTION.
9:56:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AS A COURTESY, I DON'T MIND VOTING FOR THIS,
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO -- I WOULD THINK
NOT, TIME-SENSITIVE ISSUES HERE.
IF IT'S ONE WEEK YOU'RE SEEKING -- ONE WEEK, CORRECT?
9:56:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD, THE STAFF SAYS IT'S URGENT
BECAUSE IT TAKES 52 WEEKS TO GET THE EQUIPMENT.
MY RESPONSE IS, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US THIS A YEAR OR TWO
YEARS AGO.
LATELY, WE'VE HAD MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ITEMS COME BEFORE
US THAT ARE URGENT AND WE HAVE TO APPROVE IMMEDIATELY.
THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO REVIEW.
HANNA AVENUE, TWO WEEKS AFTER WE VOTED ON IT THAT SOMEONE
FROM THE PUBLIC INFORMED US IT WASN'T PUT OUT TO BID.
IF THEY HAVE TO WAIT 53 WEEKS TO GET THE EQUIPMENT, FINE.
THEY SHOULD HAVE COME TO US BEFORE.
9:57:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE CAN HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS.
IF THERE IS NO PREJUDICE, NO BACKLOG ISSUES, IF THERE IS,
THEN I WOULD BE INCLINED TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
BUT IF THERE ISN'T, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO VOTE FOR IT AS A
COURTESY.

JUST MY THOUGHTS.
9:57:41AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, OBVIOUSLY.
TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE
MAKING A DECISION WHETHER YOU PREFER A VOTE OR NOT.
9:57:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO IS HEAR
FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, WE CAN VOTE ON
WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE OR NOT.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:58:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THOSE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS I DID ASK
STAFF.
ALWAYS IN THE NINTH HOUR.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE MR. CARLSON IS COMING FROM, THAT WE
HAVE TO STOP THIS 9th HOUR OF BRINGING THINGS TO COUNCIL,
ESPECIALLY HIGH-DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THEN RUSHING US TO MAKE A
DECISION.
I CAN AGREE WITH HIS SECOND PART AS FAR AS A FUTURE MOTION
THAT THAT STOP HAPPENING BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A TREND AND
WE CAN'T JUST LET THAT HAPPEN.
THESE ARE HIGH-DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
I KNOW THE NEED FOR SOLID WASTE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I GET THAT.
I THINK IN THE FUTURE, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, NEEDS TO BE A
MOTION TO STOP THIS TYPE OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS COMING TO US AT

THE LAST MINUTE TO REVIEW.
9:58:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
MR. MIRANDA.
9:58:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TO ME, A DOLLAR AMOUNT IS A DOLLAR
AMOUNT.
I LOOK AT A DOLLAR JUST LIKE I LOOK AT A MILLION DOLLARS.
BECAUSE IF YOU SAVE A DOLLAR, YOU'LL HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING, SURE IT COME UP.
WHY?
WELL, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE SPRUCE STREET
STARTED AND THE CITY 8, 10 YEARS AGO, WHEN FIRST SAID GOING
TO MOVE, THE STREET SWEEP OPERATION TO ANOTHER PLACE.
IF YOU THINK THAT IS EASY, IT IS NOT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ONE WEEK, MAYBE
NOT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE RUNNING ON IS ON FUMES OVER THERE.
IF THAT TURBINE GOES DOWN, IF THAT TURBINE GOES DOWN AT
SOLID WASTE, YOU'RE GOING TO REMEMBER FOR THE REST OF YOUR
LIFE WHAT ONE WEEK IS.
I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
BUT I'M JUST PUTTING NOTICE NOW THAT THAT TURBINE IS OF AGE.
THAT TURBINE IS NOT MAKING WHAT IT USED TO.
THAT TURBINE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS.
THE PUBLIC, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC, TO

UNDERSTAND.
WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT TODAY, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
RISKS ARE.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
10:00:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, CAN I FOLLOW UP?
10:00:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:00:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, HE CAN ANSWER.
THAT'S FINE.
10:00:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:00:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AGAIN, THE STAFF SHOULDN'T COME TO US AT THE
LAST MINUTE.
THEY SHOULD HAVE COME TO US A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE THEY'VE
KNOWN FOR A WHILE THIS TURBINE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
THIS IS THE QUESTION I'D ASK IN ADVANCE.
WE WERE ALL BRIEFED THE OTHER DAY.
I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
BUT THE PUBLIC IS NOT EVEN REALLY AWARE THAT THIS IS ON THE
AGENDA TODAY.
BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO ASK YOURSELVES, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE
ANNUAL COST IS OF THIS PLANT?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE IS FOR THE GENERATION OF
ELECTRICITY THAT THEY ARE SELLING TO SEMINOLE ELECTRIC?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS?
I PRESUME THEY WOULD SHUT THIS TURBINE DOWN BEFORE SOMETHING
CATASTROPHIC HAPPENS, AND THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT THEY PUT

IT IN A LAND FILL.
BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD A FULL DISCUSSION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACTS OF PUTTING IT IN A LAND FILL VERSUS THE AIR
POLLUTION.
DID YOU ALL ASK THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT AIR POLLUTION
STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THE WASTE, THE DUST, AND OTHER
HEAVY MATERIALS THAT COME FROM IT?
WHERE DO THEY DISPOSE THAT?
DO YOU KNOW THE COST OF INTEREST OF THIS PLANT?
DO YOU KNOW THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PLANT, INCLUDING O & M,
INTEREST AND CAPITAL?
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS, THE QUESTION IS DOES THE
PUBLIC KNOW?
THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE TODAY
IS THE FIRST DAY THEY HEAR IT.
IF WE VOTE ON IT TODAY, I THINK IT IS A DISSERVICE TO THE
PUBLIC.
WE NEED TO GIVE THEM REALLY TWO WEEKS BUT AT LEAST A WEEK AT
THE MINIMUM.
10:01:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVE YOU HAD A MEETING WITH SOLID WASTE?
10:01:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:01:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, HAVE YOU?
10:01:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE SPOKE ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.

I THINK THEY REQUESTED ONE FROM THE DAY BEFORE BUT I HAD
PRIVATE SECTOR THINGS.
10:01:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
10:01:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
HAVE A PRESENTATION FOLLOW-UP AS WELL.
10:01:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, HAVE YOU HAD A MEETING?
10:02:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:02:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES?
10:02:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:02:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:02:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, IF I MAY.
GOING BACK MANY YEARS AGO, WE USED TO PUT THE BY-PRODUCT IN
A BIG, BIG AREA OF THE PLANT UNTIL ONE DAY, THIS GO BACK IN
THE 70s.
I ASKED THEM, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT?
WHY DON'T YOU GO TO HOME DEPOT, SEE IF YOU CAN SELL IT.
GUESS WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE FERTILIZING FOR MANY YEARS, I
KNOW IT STOPPED NOW.
SOME YEARS BACK IT STOPPED BECAUSE OTHER PRODUCTS COME ON
THE LINE.
THAT'S IT FOR NITRATE, STUFF THAT WE WERE THROWING AWAY,
PEOPLE WERE DOING THE LAWNS WITH.
SO THERE IS PROGRESS THERE, BUT IT'S NOT BEING USED -- WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT THE SEMINOLE ELECTRIC CONTRACT, TWO COUNCIL
MEMBERS OBJECTED TO IT.

WE HAD A SWEETHEART DEAL, NOT THAT I SAY IT, THAT'S WHAT THE
PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION SAID UP IN TALLAHASSEE WHEN SOMEONE
APPEALED THAT WE HAD A BETTER DEAL THAN SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO WE HAD TO SEND THE TRANSMISSION LINE, THEY TOLD US -- AND
TECO DO THE OTHER SERVICES, AND WE HAD TO SELL, TAKE THAT
BACK FROM TECO AND SELL IT TO SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, SEMINOLE
ELECTRIC FOR A LESSER RATE.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, CHECK THE RECORD, IF MY MIND IS
STILL IN ORDER LIKE I BELIEVE IT IS.
SO LOOK AT THAT.
SO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA LOST MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
BECAUSE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS OBJECTED.
SOMEBODY HEARD IT, APPEAL TO THE BOARD UP IN TALLAHASSEE.
THANK GOD THAT YOU GUYS STILL SURVIVE.
THANK YOU.
10:03:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, TO YOUR QUESTIONS, OF
ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED THAT I ASKED -- I'M SORRY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, GO AHEAD.
10:03:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TWO WEEKS AGO THIS WAS
$16 MILLION FOR ITEM NUMBER 5.
I DO THINK THERE IS A TIME ISSUE WITH THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN WAIT ON 6 AND 7 TO HEAR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN UNCOUPLE THAT IF THAT'S POSSIBLE,
BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH YOU, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT
THIS.

BUT I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S TIME SENSITIVITY.
I SEE BOTH SIDES, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE FINE WITH
$18 MILLION NEXT WEEK, THEN THAT IS FINE.
10:04:37AM >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY OFFER SOME CLARIFICATION.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT
FURTHER TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S COMMENT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING
FOR TODAY, THE IMMEDIATE NEED IS THE $17 MILLION.
WE'D LIKE TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE
SOME FUNDING WITHIN SOLID WASTE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT 17
MILLION.
YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IT WAS 16 MILLION.
WE'RE IN A VOLATILE ENVIRONMENT.
AS WE'VE CHARACTERIZED IT IN OUR BRIEFINGS, IT'S NOT AN
EMERGENT ENVIRONMENT BUT IT IS AN URGENT ENVIRONMENT.
TRYING TO GET THAT PURCHASE FOR THE 52-WEEK LEAD TIME TO GET
STARTED ON THE BULK OF THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY FACILITY.
THE 220 MILLION, AGAIN, IS THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION FOR
THE ULTIMATE PLAN, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING COUNCIL TO APPROVE A
$220 MILLION PLAN TODAY.
WE'RE MERELY EDUCATING COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ON WHAT THIS
COULD EVENTUALLY LEAD TO.
WHEN WE DO THE BULK OF THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY FACILITY, WHEN WE
DO THE RELOCATION, IF WE DO THE RELOCATION, THOSE ARE ALL
DECISIONS THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE, INCLUDING THE

ISSUANCE OF DEBT.
10:05:50AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
JUST BRIEFLY, REALLY, ALL WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT IS YOUR AGENDA AND MAKING CHANGES TO YOUR AGENDA AT
THIS POINT IN TIME.
WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING INTO A SUBSTANTIVE
CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
I BELIEVE THE PRUDENT THING TO DO IS LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT
NEEDS TO BE ALTERED ON YOUR AGENDA, HEAR THE SUBSTANCE OF
THIS AND YOU CAN VOTE WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT
TODAY OR NOT OR DELAY IT AT THE POINT IN TIME.
I REALLY THINK THAT IS THE MORE PRUDENT THING YOU WANT TO DO
THAT UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA.
10:06:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND BRING IT BACK
LATER.
10:06:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AGENDA ITEMS 5, 6, 7 TOGETHER WITH
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 69 AND 70.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR PRO TEM.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, WE WILL STILL HEAR THAT.
9 AND 10.
10:06:48AM >> YES, SIR.
10:06:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11.
WE WILL BE OPENING 11 AND 12 AT THE SAME TIME.
10:06:59AM >> THEY DON'T NEED TO BE OPENED.

10:07:00AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THEY ARE RESOLUTIONS.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE MEMOS SUBMITTED TO YOU
ALL.
10:07:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM JUST MAKING SURE THAT EVERY COUNCIL
PERSON IS STILL WILLING TO HEAR THEM, WANTING TO HEAR THEM.
10:07:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAID WE WILL HEAR A REPORT ON 11 AND 12.
10:07:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
THEY WILL BE OPENED TOGETHER.
13?
YES?
10:07:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:07:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
14.
10:07:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, WITH 14, I THINK I MADE THAT A
LITTLE WERE A MATURELY.
I WANT TO CONTINUE THAT.
I WANT TO FIRST SEE -- I WANT TO DO THIS AFTER WE PASS THE
RETURNING CITIZENS ORDINANCE AND THE TRAINING APPRENTICESHIP
PROGRAM.
IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO REMOVE 14 AND THEN MAKE IT AT A LATER
TIME ONCE THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE HOPEFULLY PASS TODAY ON
SECOND READING FOR RETURNING CITIZENS PASSES JUST FOR THE
SAKE OF TIME.
10:07:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 15.
10:08:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
FOR ITEM 15, CHIEF BENNETT SPOKE ON THIS I
THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, AND IT APPEARS
THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THE BUDGET.
I DO NOT NEED ANYBODY HERE FROM THAT.
WE CAN TAKE IT AS IT IS AND GO FORWARD.
10:08:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM 16.
10:08:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. BENSON TRANSMITTED A WRITTEN REPORT.
10:08:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT GOOD FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS?
10:08:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FINE WITH ME.
10:08:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
STRIKE 16.
17.
10:08:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE CAN JUST SPEAK ABOUT IT WHEN IT COMES.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYONE HERE FOR THAT.
10:08:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA?
10:08:46AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, PLEASE.
10:08:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
18.
10:08:48AM >> YES.
10:08:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
19?
10:08:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK STAFF WAS -- [INAUDIBLE]
10:08:57AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SHE'S NOT DOWN HERE.
10:08:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CONTINUE TO 9:15 -- 9/15.

MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO 9/15, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
10:09:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:09:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OBJECTION?
10:09:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE ONE QUICK STATEMENT ON IT?
10:09:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:09:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE ASKED IF THERE'S
COVERAGE AND THE ANSWER IS, YES, IT'S PRIVATELY MANAGED
ABOVE 500,000, PRIVATELY INSURED.
BELOW 500,000, WE'RE SELF-INSURED.
I HAD A MEETING WITH THE RISK MANAGEMENT CONSULTANTS AND THE
TEAM YESTERDAY, AND WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY UNDER 500,000.
THERE'S NO SELF-INSURANCE.
A SELF-INSURANCE POLICY AS DESCRIBED BY MY EXPERIENCE BUT
ALSO BY THE CONSULTANTS IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A POLICY,
UNITED HEALTHCARE PLAN WE HAVE IS A SELF-INSURED PLAN BUT WE
HAVE A POLICY.
THERE'S NO POLICY UNDER 500,000.
ANYTHING BELOW 500,000 IS THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE CITY
ATTORNEY.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE HERE.
I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT IT OUTSIDE THIS MEETING, BUT
ANY IDEAS YOU HAVE FROM YOUR CONSULTANTS OR OTHERS, WE NEED
TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA.

DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULDN'T BE PROTECTED BUT WE NEED SOMETHING
SPECIFIC.
IT'S NOT TRUE THAT WE ARE SELF-INSURED.
WE ARE NOT.
500,000 IS A DEDUCTIBLE.
10:10:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:10:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:10:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAD TO COUNCIL TWO MEETINGS, I APOLOGIZE,
BUT HAD TO ATTEND.
I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO
THAT.
I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THAT THAT IS CONTINUED.
10:10:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ALREADY CONTINUED AGENDA ITEM 19,
CORRECT?
10:10:40AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WAS THERE A MOTION ALREADY AND VOTED ON.
10:10:42AM >>THE CLERK:
CARLSON MADE THE MOTION, GUDES SECOND.
10:10:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 20 AND 21.
10:10:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
20 IS PERTAINING REALLY TO 19.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND MOVING THAT TO 9/15.
10:10:59AM >> SO MOVED.
10:11:02AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I WANT TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ON 21.
10:11:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEM 20, CONTINUE TO SEPTEMBER

15th.
10:11:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:11:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION RELATED TO THIS,
IF I MAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT UNTIL OUR CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY RETURNS THAT ANY ITEM THAT REFERENCES HIM WOULD
THEN BE REQUESTED OF MR. MASSEY IN HIS PLACE.
SOME OF THESE ITEMS WE CAN'T CONTINUE FOREVER.
I WOULD JUST ASK IN THE SHORT TERM THAT MR. MASSEY WOULD
TAKE OVER THESE ITEMS UNTIL OUR ATTORNEY RETURNS.
10:11:47AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
QUICKLY, COULD I RESPOND TO THAT?
I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO NUMBER 21 BECAUSE I HAVE DONE SOME
WORK RELATIVE TO THAT.
ITEM 20, I HAD NOT DONE ANYTHING PRIMARILY BECAUSE BASED ON
THE DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL, IT WAS MY BELIEF THAT YOU ALL
WERE WANTING YOUR OWN ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT WHAT A POTENTIAL
ORDINANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH.
I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT.
WHERE I BELIEVE MR. SHELBY WILL BE BACK BY THE 15th AND
SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT AND WE CAN WORK WITH HIM

INTERNALLY.
10:12:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY MOTION WOULD BE, IF I MAY, IN THE ABSENCE
OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, THAT MR. MASSEY WOULD WORK IN
HIS PLACE TO MOVE FORWARD ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE ASSIGNED TO
MR. SHELBY.
10:12:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WISH I COULD SUPPORT THAT, BUT THERE'S
BEEN SOME MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN THIS BODY AND THE 8th
FLOOR IN THIS BUILDING.
THAT IS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN SOME TYPE OF DISAGREEMENT ON SOME ISSUES.
MR. MASSY IS SITTING HERE, I'D RATHER HIRE AN OUTSIDE
ATTORNEY TO DO THIS UNTIL HE COMES ON THE 15th.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WEEK, WHAT IS IT, FOUR WEEKS OR THREE
WEEKS.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT TO HOLDING IT OFF ANOTHER TWO OR
THREE WEEKS.
WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON BETWEEN THIS AND THE 8th FLOOR FOR
WHATEVER REASON, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE, THE DOCTOR WOULD
TELL YOU TO TAKE SOME MEDICINE BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK ON BOTH
FLOORS.
WHOEVER IS AT FAULT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A BAD HEART, YOU DON'T GO SEE A UROLOGIST.
YOU GO SEE A HEART DOCTOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SICK OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE SICK OR NOT, BUT I'D RATHER PROTECT

THE PUBLIC AND WAIT THREE MORE WEEKS UNTIL MR. SHELBY GETS
HERE BECAUSE HE KNEW ABOUT THIS WAY BEFORE HE GOT SICK.
HE'S CAPABLE OF DOING HIS JOB.
THANK YOU.
10:13:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:13:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
TO COME BACK IN REFERENCE TO HOW WE WOULD HANDLE CITY
COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BRINGING IN A PERSON OR HAVING ALTERNATES.
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT?
THAT HASN'T COME BACK TO US YET.
10:14:04AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I BELIEVE ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA OR 15th
AGENDA WITH REFERENCE TO THAT.
10:14:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK MR. MIRANDA IS RIGHT.
SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS TWO MASTERS BUT
SERVE MAYBE ONE AT TIMES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME CLARITY ON
HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE OUR BUSINESS HERE, WHO WILL HANDLE
OUR BUSINESS AND THEN IN THE ABSENCE OF A PERSON, WHO IS
GOING TO HANDLE THAT BUSINESS.
I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN RECTIFY AND GET MOTIONS TO MOVE THAT
FORWARD WHEN IT COMES BACK ON THE 15th.
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:14:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:14:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT BEHIND THE MOTION I THINK
IS VERY GOOD WHICH IS THERE ARE ITEMS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS

HAVE REQUESTED THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, WITHOUT GETTING
INTO IT, HAVE NOT GONE FORWARD BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
MAYBE IF THE MOTION WERE AMENDED TO REFLECT -- BECAUSE I
DON'T WANT MR. MASSEY, GOD BLESS HIM, HAS BEEN OVER HERE
COVERING FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M NOT SPEAKING ON HIS BEHALF, ET CETERA.
JUST MY OPINION, PROBABLY TAKING ON A LOT OF WORK.
MAYBE THE MOTION COULD BE AMENDED FOR MR. MASSEY TO HIRE
OUTSIDE COUNSEL SHOULD OUR ATTORNEY BE GONE FOR A LONGER
TIME.
THAT I THINK IS REASONABLE AND GETS TO THE HEART OF IT WHICH
COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE REQUESTS AND WANT TO SEE THEM FORWARD.
I THINK THAT IS THE HEART OF IT, IN MY OPINION.
10:15:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD FORGOTTEN WE HAD THE OTHER ITEM.
IF THAT OTHER ITEM IS COMING UP SOON, I'LL WITHDRAW MY
MOTION.
WE NEED TO RESOLVE THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE A STANDING
RULE OF WHAT HAPPENS IF OUR ONE PERSON IS OUT AND WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME KIND OF BACKUP IN THE FUTURE AND
HOPEFULLY MODIFY THE CHARTER.
IN THE INTERIM, WE NEED COUNSEL.
I'M HAPPY WITH IT BEING OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
WE NEED TO MAKE SOME KIND OF RULE BECAUSE SOME OF THE ITEMS
KEEP GETTING DELAYED, DELAYED, DELAYED.
LIKE THE CHARTER REVISIONS WERE DELAYED UNTIL WE MISSED THE

DEADLINE AND WE SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THEM SOONER.
10:15:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I BELIEVE THIS IS COMING BACK ON THE 1st.
IF YOU WOULD ALLOW MAYBE A PRESENTATION AND WE CAN TRY TO
DISCUSS IT THEN, HOW THIS BUSINESS WILL BE COVERED.
SOME OF IT I AM HANDLING, BUT SOME OF IT YOU MAY WANT TO
HAVE SEPARATE COUNSEL SO WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATION ON THE
ISSUES.
10:16:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
10:16:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS WITHDRAWN HIS MOTION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22.
10:16:21AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE YOU GO TO 22, ON 21, ITEM 75 IS A
RESOLUTION REGARDING THE CITIZENS BUDGET AND FINANCE
COMMITTEE.
I WENT BACK AND RESEARCHED THE PRIOR RESOLUTION.
I THINK I CIRCULATED TO ALL OF YOU ALL.
PREVIOUSLY, IT DID NOT APPEAR THAT THE CURRENT MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE HAD BEEN FORMALLY APPOINTED.
THIS RESOLUTION WOULD APPOINT THOSE MEMBERS.
I ALSO CHANGED THE TERM OF OFFICE SO THAT THEIR TERM WOULD
BE THE SAME AS YOUR TERM OF OFFICE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE REAPPOINTING EVERY YEAR.
THE COMMITTEE MET LAST WEEK AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE COMING
FORWARD WITH A REGULAR SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS.
I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
10:17:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.

10:17:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
AGENDA ITEM 22.
10:17:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M GOOD WITH THAT, SIR.
SHE GAVE ME A CALL AND WE WORKED OUT THOSE DETAILS.
WE SHOULD BE FINE.
10:17:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE'LL STRIKE 22?
10:17:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
10:17:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
23.
10:17:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE TO CONTINUE THAT.
THIS IS A SIDEWALK ALONG 9th STREET FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT HAS A HOME THERE WITH ABOUT 15 OR SO DISABLED VETERANS
WHO BADLY NEED A SIDEWALK THERE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS
CONTRACTING AND GETTING THE CONTRACTOR FOR SUCH A SMALL
PROJECT.
THAT IS A DARN SHAME.
IF I MAY, I WANT TO KEEP THIS ON THE AGENDA AS A
SELF-REMINDER TO MYSELF TO HAVE THIS.
WE'RE IN SEPTEMBER.
HOW ABOUT WE DO FEBRUARY OF 2023.
10:17:56AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
DO YOU HAVE A HEARING DATE IN FEBRUARY?
WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE TO A SPECIFIC DATE.
10:18:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:18:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ANY DISCUSSION?
10:18:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:18:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:18:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. VIERA, SINCE THAT IS A SMALL PROJECT,
SAYING CONTRACT ISSUES, SMALL PROJECT -- AND THE COUNTY,
THEY HAVE WORKERS THAT CAN DO THOSE SMALL TYPE OF THINGS.
MAYBE THE ADMINISTRATOR CAN CONTACT THE STATE AND SOMETHING
LIKE THAT AND PUT A SMALL SIDEWALK IN IF THAT'S THE CASE.
JUST AN IDEA OR THOUGHT.
10:18:32AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
IF MY AIDE BRANDON IS WATCHING, LET'S MOVE ON THAT AND SET
UP A MEETING FOR THAT.
NOTHING COUNCIL RELATED, IF I MAY.
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:18:43AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE MOTION, IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK IN
FEBRUARY WOULD BE FEBRUARY 2nd, THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING.
10:18:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
LET'S DO THE 16th.
GIVE SOME MORE TIME.
10:18:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEMS 24 AND 25.

10:19:15AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:19:17AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I WOULD NOTE IT APPEARS TO HAVE CHANGED,
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS ASKED THAT ITEMS 28, 29, AND 72 BE
PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
10:19:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
10:19:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:19:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DID I ALSO TAKE NOTE THAT 69 AND 70, WE'RE
HEARING THOSE?
10:19:58AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YES, SIR, YOU HAVE.
10:20:04AM >> WHAT'S UP WITH 18?
OTHER CHANGES TO MEETING OR AGENDA.
THIS IS THE ADDENDUM.
10:20:14AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THERE'S AN ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA THAT
NOTES SEVERAL CHANGES TO THE AGENDA, INCLUDING SOME
SUBSTITUTIONS THAT THE CLERK JUST NOTED.
10:20:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
10:20:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:20:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE GOOD.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
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10:21:08AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
IT'S A GARBAGE CITY COUNCIL.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
IT IS A GARBAGE CITY COUNCIL AND PROVE YOURSELF RIGHT THEN

RIGHT NOW.
$270 MILLION AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON
WITH IT AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, BUT IT'S
ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY FOR DECADES.
I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR 30 YEARS.
ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.
THEY RUN THE THINGS THROUGH AND THE CITIZENS, DON'T NOBODY
KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY
AIN'T THAT SMART.
NOT LIKE THEY ARE ACCOUNTANTS, ENGINEERS, SCIENTISTS OR
BRAIN SURGEONS.
THEY ARE NOT THAT SMART.
THEY GOT A JOB AND GOT ELECTED ON SOME VOTES, PUT UP A SIGN
AND GOT ELECTED.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHAT WE HAVE TO REALIZE,
DISTRICT NUMBER 5, WE HAVE TO REALIZE OUR CITY COUNCIL
REPRESENTATIVE, MALE, FEMALE, BOY, GIRL, WHATSOEVER, HAVE TO
START TALKING ABOUT REAL ISSUES.
HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT REPARATIONS.
HAVE TO START TALKING THIS NONSENSE THEY TALK ABOUT, BRING
THESE GARBAGE POLICE OFFICERS IN HERE, ALWAYS TALKING
NEGATIVE ABOUT DISTRICT 5, EAST TAMPA AND GUN VIOLENCE, BUT
OUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT GUN
MANUFACTURERS.
WE AIN'T HAVING THAT LIKE BLAMING US, BLAMING THE BLACK

PERSON.
BLAMING THE BLACK PERSON.
TRY TO WALK IN THIS DOOR THIS MORNING AND THE POLICE
OFFICER, WHITE POLICE OFFICER TRYING TO STOP ME BECAUSE OF A
SHIRT I GOT ON.
YOU UNDERSTAND?
IT'S A HATRED THAT WHITE PEOPLE HAVE WHEN THEY SEE BLACK
PEOPLE.
THEY THINK THEY RUN US.
THEY THINK THEY OWN US.
THEY THINK WE'RE SLAVES.
YOU COME IN HERE AND YOU GAVE AN AWARD TO A GARBAGE POLICE
OFFICER, THAT HIS PARENTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN SITTING RIGHT
THERE, AND I THINK HIS FATHER TELLS ME, I TAKE YOU OUTSIDE
AND BEAT YOUR MFING ASS, AND HE SAID THE WHOLE WORD AND SAID
IT ABOUT THREE TIMES.
BUT HIS SON IS GETTING AN AWARD FOR WHAT?
TEACHING AT HOME.
IS THAT HOW YOU TRAINS AT HOME?
YOU ALL GOT A HATRED FOR BLACK PEOPLE WHEN YOU SEE BLACK
PEOPLE.
THE OTHER MAN SITTING RIGHT THERE ON CITY COUNCIL, THE MAN
SITTING RIGHT THERE, THE HATRED FOR BLACK PEOPLE IS, WHEN I
INITIALLY STARTED COMING DOWN HERE, HAVE TO GO TO JAIL JUST
TO SPEAK BECAUSE YOU ALL AIN'T NEVER SEEN A BLACK MAN SINCE

YOUR GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT ONE.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A BLACK MAN.
WHEN YOU SEE BLACK PEOPLE YOU GET ALL EXCITED.
YOU SEE A BLACK PERSON WITH A SIGN ON THE SIDEWALK AND YOU
ALL WHITE FOLKS ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW YOU ALL WHITE FOLKS
HAD A CONSTITUTION SINCE 1776.
SINCE 1776, WHITE FOLKS HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SINCE
1776 TO 2022, BLACK PEOPLE STILL EXPERIENCING ALL FORMS OF
SLAVERY.
ALL FORMS OF SLAVERY, ENCORES RATING BLACK PEOPLE RUNNING US
AROUND HERE.
GUN BUYBACK, YOU ALL SOLVE CRIME.
AND WHAT?
WHO IS BRINGING THE GUNS.
YOU ALL GIVING MONEY AWAY TO WHITE FOLKS.
ALL THAT HAVE TO STOP, AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS
AND THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE TO US BLACK PEOPLE.
10:24:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:24:30AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M REVEREND BERNICE POWELL JACKSON, THE PASTOR OF FIRST
UNITED CHURCH OF TAMPA AND PRESIDENT OF HOPE, THE
HILLSBOROUGH ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS AND EQUALITY, A LOCAL
FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION CONSISTING OF 24-MEMBER
CONGREGATIONS.
I COME TOGETHER TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AGENDA ITEM 114 THAT

PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S CRIMINAL HISTORY,
PRACTICES, SCREENING ORDINANCE.
I THINK MR. MIRANDA IS THE ONLY COUNCIL PERSON WHO WILL
REMEMBER THIS.
TEN YEARS AGO, HOPE CAME TO THE COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THE NEED
FOR TAMPA'S RETURNING CITIZENS TO GET WORK AFTER
INCARCERATION.
STUDIES HAD SHOWN HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS TO GET A JOB WHEN THE
INITIAL APPLICATION ASKED HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED AND
THE BOX IS CHECKED YES.
THE STORIES THAT WE'VE HEARD SHOW THAT MANY TAMPA CITIZENS
WERE UNABLE TO GET EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE OF IT.
EVEN THOUGH MANY APPLICANTS HAD THE REQUIRED AND DESIRED
EXPERIENCE, THEY WERE ELIMINATED ONCE THAT BOX WAS CHECKED.
WE ASKED THEN THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CHANGE THEIR OWN HIRING
PRACTICES BY TAKING OFF THE QUESTION ABOUT ARRESTS FROM THE
INITIAL APPLICATION AND TO URGE THE BUSINESSES THE CITY
CONTRACTED WITH TO DO THE SAME.
SOMETIMES THE BEST WORKER IS THE ONE WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN
ELIMINATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY HAD
CHECKED THAT BOX.
WE KNEW THAT THIS SIMPLE ACTION WOULD GIVE THESE POTENTIAL
WORKERS A FIGHTING CHANCE IN THE JOB MARKET AND WOULD HAVE A
POSITIVE IMPACT ON MANY TAMPA FAMILIES, BUSINESSES, AND THE
CITY OF TAMPA.

WHILE WE WERE GLAD TO SEE THE CITY COUNCIL PASS THE HIRING
SCREENING PRACTICES ORDINANCE IN 2013, TAKING THAT QUESTION
OFF OF THE INITIAL APPLICATION OF THE CITY, CITY LEADERS
THEN WERE RELUCTANT TO MOVE BEYOND THEIR OWN HIRING
PRACTICES TO THOSE WHO CONTRACT WITH THE CITY.
PLEASED THAT YOU HAVE NOW AN AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU TO MOVE
FORWARD.
AS HOUSING COSTS HAVE INCREASED AND INFLATION GOES UP, THERE
ARE SO MANY TAMPA FAMILIES STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL HELP OUR RETURNING CITIZENS TO
FIND EMPLOYMENT, BOOSTING BOTH THE FAMILY INCOME, STABILITY,
AND THEIR OWN SELF-ESTEEM WHILE ALSO GIVING BUSINESSES THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HIRE THE MOST QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES.
WE ALL KNOW A JOB IS A REQUIREMENT FOR SUCCESS, AND ANY HELP
THE CITY AND OUR BUSINESSES OFFER IS A POSITIVE THING.
IT'S A WIN-WIN AMENDMENT FOR ALL, AND WE URGE YOU TO PASS
IT.
10:27:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:27:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT
STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
BUT WE DON'T GET NO RESULTS.
IT'S SAD TO SAY THAT, BUT IT'S THE TRUTH.
WE COME DOWN HERE MANY TIMES.

I COME DOWN HERE.
WHO GOT JACKSON HOUSE?
WHICH ONE OF YOU ALL GOT JACKSON HOUSE?
10:27:57AM >> GUDES.
10:27:58AM >> IS IT YOU?
10:27:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
10:28:00AM >> WHY DON'T YOU HAVE THE RAGGED OLD HOUSE TORE DOWN.
10:28:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE TO TALK OFF-LINE ABOUT THAT
SUBJECT.
WE CAN TALK OFF-LINE ABOUT THAT.
SINCE YOU CALLED ME OUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES GOING
ON WITH THE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT AND HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY
IT CAN, AND I'M VERY LIMITED ON THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME
PRIVATE THINGS GOING ON, NOT CITY RELATED.
I THINK ONCE SOME MEETINGS ARE HELD, HOPEFULLY SOME
RESOLUTION TO THE JACKSON HOUSE.
AGAIN, THAT'S TO BE AN OFF-LINE CONVERSATION THAT ME AND YOU
COULD HAVE.
10:28:39AM >> WE THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION, BUT WHERE ARE WE GOING
WITH IT?
NOWHERE.
NOWHERE.
AND I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE TIME AFTER TIME TELLING YOU
ALL YOU NEED TO TEAR THAT RAGGEDY HOUSE DOWN.

IT'S RAGGEDY, FALLING DOWN, AND NOBODY SEEM TO DO NOTHING.
BUT THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT.
IF IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT TO
DO.
THEY COME AND PUT A CITATION ON MY CHURCH.
MY CHURCH AIN'T NEARBY AS BAD AS THAT OVER THERE.
NOBODY WANT TO DO NOTHING FOR US AS BLACK PEOPLE.
THEY JUST WANT TO RIDICULE US AND TEAR US DOWN AND KEEP US
FROM DOING WHAT WE NEED DO.
IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN LIKE THAT.
AS LONG AS GOD ALLOW ME TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, I'M GOING
TO ALWAYS BE DOING SOMETHING TO TRY TO BETTER MYSELF AND
BETTER EVERYBODY ELSE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S SO SAD THAT BLACK FOLKS ACT LIKE THEY ARE
SCARED TO COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAK UP FOR THEMSELVES.
PASTOR, I SEEN YOU ON TV.
I SAID, YEAH, WHAT YOU SEEN ME DOING?
OH, MAN, DOING A GOOD JOB.
NO, AIN'T DOING NO GOOD JOB.
THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ME.
I DON'T COME DOWN HERE TO BE ON SCENE TV.
I CARE LESS ABOUT TV.
I COME DOWN HERE FOR US TO WORK ONE ANOTHER, HELP ONE
ANOTHER.
DON'T FORGET, MIGHT CALL US BLACK PEOPLE, BUT WE ARE GOD

PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND.
WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND ALSO, WE TALK ABOUT KILLING, WHO
KILLING.
KILLING LITTLE CHILDREN, WHITE PEOPLE, WHITE BOYS KILLING
LITTLE CHILDREN AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
WHAT ARE YOU ALL GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT?
DON'T DO A DAMN THING.
COME DOWN HERE.
POLICE COME DOWN HERE.
ALL WANT TO DO, HEY, GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU.
GIVE THEM A DAMN FOOTBALL.
WHAT THEY WANT WITH A FOOTBALL OR A PLAQUE.
I WANT ACTION.
ACTION, NEED SOME ACTION COMING DIRECTLY FROM YOU ALL.
IF YOU ALL NOT WANTING TO SUPPORT THE BLACK FOLKS, THEN YOU
ALL NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO.
10:31:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:31:01AM >> YOU GOT A JOB TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
10:31:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PASTOR WILLIAMS, LET ME SAY SOMETHING.
WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WHEN YOU MISCONSTRUE, YOU MISCONSTRUE.
SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE GONE TO YOUR PLACE.
WE INSTRUCTED SEVERAL PEOPLE TO TALK TO YOU, SEE HOW WE CAN
HELP YOU IN REFERENCE TO YOUR FACILITY.

I LOVE YOUR PLACE.
WE'VE TOLD AND OUR CRA BOARD TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO TO
MEET.
THEY TRIED TO GET WITH YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES.
THEY MISSED YOU.
THEY'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO GET WITH YOU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN
DO IN REFERENCE TO YOUR CHURCH, HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT A
MONUMENTAL PLACE.
THAT IS IN THE WORK TO MEET WITH YOU TO GET THAT LOOKING
BETTER, GET THAT SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THE HISTORY IN THERE.
MYSELF HAVE BEEN THERE.
MR. MANISCALCO HAS BEEN THERE.
AND MR. BURTON IS SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING WITH YOU.
THAT IS THE CRA MANAGER FOR CENTRAL TAMPA.
I'M SURE HE'S LISTENING RIGHT NOW.
I'M SURE HE'LL TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU TODAY OR
TOMORROW.
WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR PLACE.
TO WORK MAKING THAT THING BETTER SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THE
TREASURE THAT YOU DO HAVE.
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:32:02AM >> YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND.
DON'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT.
WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING MEAN A WHOLE LOT TO ME.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.

I'M TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP PEOPLE.
SEEING THAT PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ME.
WAIT A MINUTE, LET ME TALK HERE, PLEASE.
BLOCK ME IN.
TOOK MY PARKING PLACE.
PUT A DOUBLE STRIPE IN THE STREET.
I CAN'T EVEN PARK IN THE FRONT OF MY CHURCH.
THE POLICE COMING DOWN THERE TELLING ME I GOT TO MOVE.
BROKE IN MY CHURCH.
THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING TO HURT THE CHURCH.
WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE TRYING TO DO GOD'S WILL, NOT
YOUR WILL.
THAT'S WHERE WE STANDS.
TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.
WE'RE NOT OUT KILLING PEOPLE.
THE POLICE, I GOT ON -- I GOT TO TAKE IT OFF AND SEE WHAT IT
SAYS.
POLICE ARE KILLING OUR BLACK CHILDREN.
AND THAT'S --
10:33:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SIR, THANK YOU, SIR.
10:33:09AM >> WE TALK ABOUT BLACK LIVES MATTER, DOES IT REALLY MATTER
WITH YOU ALL?
NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ME.
I DO WANT TO MEET WITH THE ONE THAT GOT THE DISTRICT.

TEAR THAT RAGGEDY BUILDING DOWN OVER THERE.
10:33:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT, PLEASE.
10:33:32AM >> YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:33:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK, 305 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA.
I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT ON A DE-1 APPLICATION,
DE-1-22-197.
EARLIER THIS MONTH ON AUGUST 4th --
10:33:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE AN AGENDA ITEM?
ON THE AGENDA TODAY?
10:34:03AM >> NO, IT'S NOT.
THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE
REGISTERED TO SPEAK VIRTUALLY WHO WILL OBJECT OR MAY OBJECT
TO MY REQUEST ON AUGUST 4 TO SCHEDULE THAT HEARING TO REVIEW
OUR APPROVAL ON SEPTEMBER 15th.
AND THEY HAVE SUGGESTED THAT WE FOLLOWED SOME IMPROPER
PROCEDURE, AND I AM JUST HERE TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE
FOLLOWED ALL PROCEDURES CORRECTLY.
THEY ARE ALSO, I THINK, SUGGESTING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH TIME TO PREPARE, BUT THE PETITIONER ALREADY PREPARED
HIS ARGUMENTS AND THEY ARE FILED WITH THE PETITION.
ALL I'M HERE TO DO IS SAY WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE
SEPTEMBER 15th DATE.
IF WE GO PAST THAT INTO OCTOBER, MY CLIENT WILL BE BEYOND

THE CONTRACT DEADLINE.
AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT.
10:35:10AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE WILL SPEAK ON
THIS ISSUE, BUT I KNOW YOU ALL RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT
THE SETTING OF THE HEARING.
TYPICALLY, SETTING A HEARING IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACT.
IT'S NOT LEGISLATIVE ACT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY THIS BODY WOULD RE-REVIEW
AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
YOU WOULD CONSIDER REQUESTS TO RESET THE HEARING DATE OR
CONTINUE THE HEARING DATE ON THE DATE THAT HEARING IS SET.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHEN THAT HEARING
SHOULD OCCUR SHOULD OCCUR ON SEPTEMBER 15th WHEN THE
HEARING DATE HAS BEEN INITIALLY SCHEDULED, WHETHER IT'S
APPROPRIATE TO RESCHEDULE IT, WHETHER THE PARTIES IN
INTEREST, THE PETITIONER OR PROPERTY OWNER OR OTHER PARTIES
OF INTEREST HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT DATE, THEN THAT'S THE
APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS THAT IS SEPTEMBER 15th.
10:35:57AM >> I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
I JUST NEEDED TO RESPOND BECAUSE I CAN'T GET UP HERE TWICE.
I NEEDED TO STATE MY PIECE BEFORE THEY SPOKE.
THANK YOU.
10:36:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:36:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS ROBIN LOCKETT.

I'M WITH FLORIDA RISING.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ROBBERY IF I DID NOT SHOW UP TO LET
YOU KNOW WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE IN REGARDS TO COUNCIL
COWARDLY NOT SUPPORTING RENT STABILIZATION.
THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
I WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR
STANDING UP FOR THE PEOPLE TO ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO MAKE THE
DECISION AROUND RENT STABILIZATION.
WHAT HAPPENED ONE WEEK IN BETWEEN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU
ALLOWED PEOPLE THAT WAS CAUSING THE HARM TO COME DOWN HERE
AND PUT PRESSURE ON YOU.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, AND
I SPOKE WITH EACH ONE OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT, ALL AGREED THAT EXCEPT FOR
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, HE WAS UP FRONT, BUT EVERY LAST ONE OF
YOU, SAY SUPPORT THIS.
THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DO IT CAME, YOU SHOWED COWARDLY
EFFORTS.
THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK FOR ATTENDING OUR PARK TO THE POST EVENT.
NOT ONLY DOES FLORIDA RISING WORK ON ISSUES, WE ALSO
MOBILIZE THE VOTE.
ANDREWS, BEFORE AUGUST THE 20th, WHICH IS MY BIRTHDAY,
BEFORE AUGUST THE 20th HAD LESS THAN A HUNDRED VOTES

COMING OUT.
THEY HAD ONE DATE THAT THEY SHOWED A HUNDRED VOTES CAN BE
OUT.
ON THE DATE OF THAT MOBILIZATION, 230 VOTES.
MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT TO YOU, BUT WHAT WE PROVED IS THAT
IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VOTING, PUTTING IT OUT THERE, BEING
CONSISTENT, PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP.
THAT WAS OUR FIRST ONE.
THAT WEEKEND WITH THE SHOW TO THE POLLS AND OUR EVENT, OVER
500 VOTES WERE MADE.
THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S A WIN FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING PREPARED FOR
MARCH.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK NICOLE TRAVIS AND HER TEAM FOR COMING
OUT AND US DOING A WORKSHOP AROUND HOUSING.
THAT WAS A SUCCESS.
YOU OWE US.
I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.
TODAY, WE'RE RELAXING BECAUSE WE WERE MOBILIZING PEOPLE
AROUND THE ELECTION, BUT YOU OWE US AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO
STOP.
I CAME BECAUSE I WANTED YOU TO SEE ME.
JUST SOMETHING FUNNY.
WHEN I WAS OUT CANVASSING, I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH OF THE
CITY PAYS ATTENTION TO CITY COUNCIL.

DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I KNOCKED ON PEOPLE'S DOORS AND THEY
RECOGNIZED ME FROM COMING DOWN HERE AND THEY WANTED TO TELL
ME TO KEEP GOING FORWARD.
SO THIS IS NOT OVER.
WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK HERE, AND IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTING
WHAT WE WANT, WE MOBILIZE VOTERS.
THANK YOU.
10:39:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:39:34AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ANDREW CARTER, PRESIDENT OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS.
I WANT TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT REMAINS AT THE
FOREFRONT FOR US AND THAT'S ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
FEW YEARS AGO YOU SAW A STUDY PRODUCED BY THE INTERNATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF FIREFIGHTERS.
WE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND THAT YOU WHEN WE APPROVE ALL THESE
GIANT DEVELOPMENTS, MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE
OCCUPANCY, HOTELS, RESIDENTIAL, I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T APPROVE
THOSE PROJECTS IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO ROADWAYS AND
SIDEWALKS AND ELECTRIC AND SEWER.
WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER THE ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
AS WE INCREASE THE POPULATION, IF WE DON'T INCREASE THE
AMOUNT OF FIREFIGHTERS AND ACCESS TO THAT, WE'RE NOT
STANDING STILL.
WE'RE MOVING BACKWARDS.

SO AS I'VE BEEN AN EMPLOYEE FOR 15 YEARS, I LOVE TO SEE THE
CITY GROW.
I LOVE BRINGING MY FAMILY DOWN HERE THROUGH THE WESTSHORE
DISTRICT, CHANNELSIDE DISTRICT, IN THROUGH YBOR.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY AT THE
FOREFRONT.
WHEN WE LOOK AT RESOLUTIONS AND THE WORD SAFETY APPEARS ONE
TIME.
WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING THOSE CITIZENS
THAT WILL WORK THERE, PLAY THERE, LIVE THERE, HAVE THAT SAME
ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
THANK YOU.
10:40:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT?
I SEE WE HAVE THREE ONLINE.
MS. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU THERE?
HAS MS. SANCHEZ LOGGED ON?
10:41:09AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
10:41:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
10:41:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS SANDY SANCHEZ, AND I'M A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST.
DURING YOUR FORMAL, INFORMAL BUDGET DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF
WEEKS AGO, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY
THAT AN OMBUDSMAN OR NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE POSITION MIGHT BE

CREATED.
I ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU
INDIVIDUALLY AND I WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK I
RECEIVED AND WOULD LIKE THIS IDEA TO MOVE FORWARD.
A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE OMBUDSMAN WOULD ASSIST NEIGHBORHOODS
IN WADING THROUGH THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CITY'S MUNI CODES,
LAND USE ISSUES, INCLUDING REZONING.
CONVOLUTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, QUASI-JUDICIAL ISSUES AND
MANY OTHER ISSUES WHICH ULTIMATELY JEOPARDIZE THE QUALITY OF
LIFE AND SAFETY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE WOULD ENABLE NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE
BETTER PREPARED WHEN THEY APPEAR BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THUS
CUTTING DOWN THE OVERALL TIME DURING REZONES APPEARANCE.
PROPER DIRECTION, NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BETTER UNDERSTAND THE
PHRASE, COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
PROFESSIONAL ADVOCATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HELP SHIELD
THE CITY COUNCIL FROM UNINTENTIONALLY GETTING INVOLVED IN
NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS DEVELOPER SQUABBLES.
IT WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENTS DOING THE ZONING CHANGE SPEND
HUNDREDS OF HOURS HELPING TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES FOR
FREE.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ON THE OTHER HAND, GROVEL FOR TIMELY
INFORMATION.
LAW-ABIDING, TAX-PAYING, EVERYDAY CITIZEN, TRYING TO EFFECT

THE QUALITY OF THEIR COMMUNITY ARE NOT A PRIORITY WITH FOLKS
IN THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENTS.
A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE IS NOT A POSITION THAT CAN BE EASILY
FILLED, BUT MUST BE SOMEONE THAT IS KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH LAND
USE ISSUES, ZONING, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE
QUASI-JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE IS A BENEFIT TO ALL.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS, CITY COUNCIL, CITY PLANNING, AND EVEN THE
DEVELOPERS.
THIS PERSON SHOULD COME FROM ONE OF THE CITY PLANNING
DEPARTMENTS OR LEGAL THAT IS KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE TECHNICAL
ISSUES SURROUNDING THE LAND USE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
COMPLEXITIES.
MANY CITIES IN FLORIDA EMPLOY OMBUDSMAN ASSIGNED TO
DIFFERENT SPECIALTIES FROM HEALTH CARE TO ZONING.
CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PROTECT YOUR CONSTITUENTS
AND CREATE A POSITION THAT WOULD HELP EDUCATE THE
COMMUNITIES ON THE CHANGES PROPOSED BY DEVELOPERS AND THIS
ADVOCATE BE AVAILABLE TO ALL COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
IF IT TAKES RESEARCH ON CITY STAFF, WE ASK IT BEGIN SOONER
AND NOT LATER.
WE ALSO ASK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS BE INVOLVED IN THIS
PROCESS.
I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.
10:44:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REGARDING MS. SANCHEZ'S COMMENT, I'LL
MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THE MEETING REGARDING A
NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE POSITION.
BUT I'LL TAKE IT UP THEN.
THANK YOU.
10:44:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
MS. STROHMEYER.
10:44:32AM >> HELLO.
ARE YOU THERE?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:44:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
10:44:36AM >> OKAY.
BEFORE I START, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, WHEN I DO COME UP
HERE, THERE ARE OBVIOUS ISSUES THAT YOU TALK -- GO THROUGH
THE AGENDA, THIS IS REGARDING OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS PRESIDENT OF THE INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
IT'S TO LET PEOPLE BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TIME TO SIT UP HERE FOR EIGHT HOURS A
DAY.
LUCKILY I'M ABLE TO WORK WHILE I'M HERE LISTENING TO WHAT'S
GOING ON AND I'M ABLE TO GIVE INPUT AND WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME
QUESTIONS, I'M ABLE TO TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY
COUNCIL BECAUSE I GET E-MAILS AND I GET TEXTS AND I GET

PHONE CALLS AND I GET STOPPED ON THE STREET.
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW.
WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA, IT'S NOT JUST ME.
IT'S TO EDUCATE MY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
OKAY?
IS THAT OKAY?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:45:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:45:32AM >> OH, OKAY.
JUST CHECKING.
ANYWAY, GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA, MY NAME IS JEAN
STROHMEYER.
I AM PRESIDENT OF INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THE ITEMS 5, 6, 7, AND THE $220
MILLION.
I SAW THAT FIRST TIME TUESDAY NIGHT ON THIS HUGE AGENDA, 125
ITEMS, THREE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH 125 ITEMS IS PRETTY
TOUGH.
I REALLY THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
OBVIOUSLY, OUR GRANDCHILDREN, MY GRANDCHILDREN THAT I DON'T
HAVE YET WILL BE PAYING FOR THAT BILL AND I DON'T THINK
THAT'S FAIR TO THEM.
NUMBER 8, A CONSULTANT ON THE SIDEWALK THINGS, I JUST WANT

TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A FAIR SHAKE AT SIDEWALKS.
NUMBER NINE, ARMED SERVICE SECURITY GUARDS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE NEEDED.
PLEASE EDUCATE US.
11 AND 12, CATHOLIC CHARITIES, THE HOMELESS.
I THINK SOMETHING AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE LIKE PINELLAS HOPE BECAUSE THERE ARE HOMELESS AND THEN
THERE ARE THE DRUG ADDICTS.
WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE DRUG CLINICS THAT ARE EVERYWHERE.
THANK YOU FOR THE CONDOLENCES, THE ONE OF YOU DID SEND ME
ABOUT THE MAN WHOSE NAME MEANS HOPE.
THANK YOU.
WE NEED TO GET THE DRUGS OFF THE STREET.
RETURNING CITIZENS, THAT'S ALL GREAT.
CALL THEM WHAT YOU WILL, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE QUESTION ON THE
BOX WOULD BE IF THEY ARE GOING TO WORK AT A DAY CARE, HEY,
HAVE YOU BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LET'S NOT BE STUPID.
WE'VE GOT TO BE SMART ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS.
16, THE SOG ITEMS, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT.
18, REDUCE WATER RATES, YAY, YAY, THAT'S GOOD.
LET'S LOOK INTO THAT.
SEE, I SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE AND GOOD.
TO PROTECT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALL THE INSURANCE, WE

REALLY WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT IF IT WASN'T FOR ONE MAN
AND HIS ATTORNEY AND PERHAPS OUR CITY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME
WHO WAS, YOU KNOW, PUSHING FOR THAT REMOVAL OF MR.
DINGFELDER, UNFORTUNATELY.
I LOOK INTO THE SURPLUS WATER NUMBER 50.
I DON'T KNOW, LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T NEED PURE.
SO IF WE CAN FIND SURPLUS WATER AND EDUCATE PEOPLE, THAT
WOULD BE GREAT.
NUMBER 66, THAT'S GOOD.
GET THE ALGAE OUT OF THE AQUIFER.
TELL ME HOW YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE I
HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
69 -- DOCK FACILITIES, 79, CAN THE PUBLIC USE THE DOCK
FACILITIES?
GIVE ME 30 SECONDS, PLEASE.
10:48:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MS. STROHMEYER.
10:48:08AM >> 30 SECONDS?
10:48:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MS. STROHMEYER.
MS. POYNOR.
10:48:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
OKAY.
AS MY MOTHER WOULD SAY, BIG DUCKIES ARE BEING SPENT ON
TODAY'S BUDGET IMPLICATIONS.
16% OF THE 2022 BUDGET IS IN THE FIRST TEN ITEMS OF TODAY'S
AGENDA, INCLUDING $220 MILLION BOND TO RETROFIT MCKAY BAY.

THAT IS MORE THAN DOUBLE HANNA STREET.
JUST SAYIN'.
TAKE THAT WHEREVER YOU LIKE.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW MUCH INCOME THAT RETROFIT WILL BRING
TO THIS DEPARTMENT.
IS THERE A PROFIT AND LOSS SHEET FOR THIS PROJECT,
AMORTIZATION OF SPENDING VERSUS INCOME GENERATED?
I ONLY ASK THIS BECAUSE I HADN'T SEEN MUCH OF A DISCUSSION
ON THIS PROJECT PRIOR TO TODAY'S AGENDA.
FUNNY THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED THE SAME THING AND
WE HAVE NOT COLLABORATED ON THIS.
I AM PARTICULARLY CURIOUS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 8.
$5 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR CONSULTING.
I REALLY HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME ACTUAL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS
BEING DONE AS PART OF THAT CONTRACT, NOT JUST A BUNCH OF
PAPER PUSHING.
BEFORE I LEAVE THE BUDGET ITEMS, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE ITEMS IN SIRE, THEY CAN BE VERY
CUMBERSOME.
SOME OF THESE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF ITEMS.
A ONE-PAGE CHEAT SHEET WOULD BE AMAZING.
AS SIMPLE AS THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT, BASIC DESCRIPTION
OF THE WORK, HOW MANY BIDS WERE RECEIVED AND HOW THEY WERE
CONSIDERED AND HOW MUCH THE WINNING BIDDER PAID.
I SUPPORT NUMBER 14 ON SOG.

OVERALL HAPPY WITH THE IDEA FROM THE RED SHEET.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT HAS COMMUNICATED DIRECTLY WITH MR.
DRUMGO ABOUT THE ADJUSTMENTS WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE.
19 AND 20 PROTECT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM LIABILITY.
21 AND 75 AS A MEMBER OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, I THINK IT'S
TIME FOR THIS TO NOT BE KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
I SPOKE WITH COUNCILMAN HURTAK YESTERDAY ABOUT IT.
IF THE CITY OF TAMPA -- NUMBER 29, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT
TO ME.
IF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS PAYING HALF FOR THE BASKETBALL
COURTS AT LIBERTY AND FREEDOM SCHOOLS, THOSE BASKETBALL
COURTS SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE 24 HOURS A DAY IF THE SCHOOL IS
NOT IN SESSION.
THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED THAT EVERY SINGLE
SCHOOL HAS A FENCE BETWEEN IT AND THE KIDS WHO LIVE AROUND
IT.
I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND THAT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR HALF, THEN THE CITIZENS NEED TO
HAVE ACCESS WHEN THEY ARE NOT THERE.
AGAIN, NUMBER 65, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT PLANS.
SOUNDS LIKE A REASONABLE PRICE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE
ADDRESS, AND WHO ALL BID ON IT.
A ONE-PAGE CHEAT SHEET.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR.
NUMBER 89, I WANT TO THANK ABBYE FEELEY, CATE WELLS, AND RON

WIGGINTON FOR MEETING WITH CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND I
YESTERDAY AFTERNOON TO STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT.
I WAS MADE AWARE OF EXTERIOR EASEMENT THIS WEEKEND AND THEY
ACTUALLY HAD AN INTERIOR EASEMENT ON THE AGENDA THIS WEEK.
I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR WASTING YOUR TIME ON THAT.
BUT THAT'S THE LIFE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE CHECK OUT THE THAN WEBSITE TO SEE A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF
EACH COUNCIL.
10:51:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. POYNOR.
10:51:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION?
10:51:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:51:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ACTUALLY OF MR. MASSEY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE.
MS. POYNOR JUST MENTIONED ITEM NUMBER 29 WHICH DEALS WITH
THE BASKETBALL COURT, WHICH WILL BE 17400 COMMERCE PARK
BOULEVARD.
MY SON IS A STUDENT AT FREEDOM HIGH SCHOOL.
WHICH IS LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT'S NOT A CONFLICT.
10:52:01AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IT'S NOT A CONFLICT, NO, SIR.
THIS HAS BEEN PULLED FOR DISCUSSION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
AS WELL.
10:52:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE NO CONFLICT.
THANK YOU, SIR.

10:52:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:52:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A LOT OF TIMES WE READ INFORMATION, BUT
SOMETIMES A PIECE OF MEAT IS SOMETIMES MISSING.
WHEN I LOOK AT 29, UNLESS I WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE
SCHOOL, LIBERTY, AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING, AND I HAVE
NOTHING AGAINST THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE
PROPERTIES OUT IN THAT AREA, A LOT OF THE RECREATION ARE
USING SOME OF THE PROPERTIES OUT THERE.
A LOT OF MY FRIENDS ARE WORKERS IN THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT
THAT UTILIZE THOSE FACILITIES.
I THINK IT'S WORTH A DISCUSSION.
AND THAT WAS PULLED I BELIEVE, CORRECT?
10:52:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:52:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST IN GENERAL, WE SAID THIS BEFORE, AS I
UNDERSTAND THE DEADLINE FOR EACH WEEK'S AGENDA IS THURSDAY
OR FRIDAY THE WEEK BEFORE.
I CAN'T READ THE AGENDA UNTIL WEDNESDAY BECAUSE DOCUMENTS
COME IN ON WEDNESDAY.
SOMETIMES MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DOCUMENTS COME IN ON WEDNESDAY
NIGHT.
AND THE PUBLIC IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO REQUIRE THAT IF THE SUFFICIENT BACKUP
DOCUMENTS ARE NOT IN THE AGENDA BY A CERTAIN DATE THAT WE
AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUE IT.
IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO US BECAUSE WE ARE FORCED TO READ THE

AGENDA MULTIPLE TIMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN 125 ITEMS WITH A LOT
OF BACKUP.
IT'S VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO
THE PUBLIC.
ALSO, ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ENORMOUS, LIKE THE
$220 MILLION, THERE'S VERY LITTLE INFORMATION ON SIRE.
THE COMMUNITY HAS CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT ALL THIS, THE
FACT IS WE'RE NOT GIVING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
THE MAYOR EVEN CALLED FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
AND STAFF ARE NOT PROVIDING IT.
WE NEED TO PUT MORE DETAIL AND GET IT INTO SIRE EARLIER SO
WE ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
10:54:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SHALL WE MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5?
FILE PW22-76503.
THIS IS ALL PART OF THREE AGENDA ITEMS, 5, 6, 7, AND AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 69 AND 70, WHICH WITH THE PERMISSION OF COUNCIL
MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
10:54:47AM >> SO MOVED.
10:54:48AM >> SECOND.
10:54:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
10:54:58AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
SAL RUGGIERO, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE

SERVICES.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO MAKE A LITTLE STATEMENT ON
TRANSPARENCY AND HOW I OPERATE.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS.
AND WE HAD A PREVIOUS CHAIR OF PUBLIC WORKS WHO IS NO LONGER
WITH THE COUNCIL, BUT HE WAS UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS ON
WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING.
I ALSO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I'M ACCESSIBLE ANYTIME YOU
WANT.
JUST CALL ME.
I TALKED TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AT NIGHT.
I'VE TALKED TO MR. CITRO.
I'VE TALKED TO MR. VIERA.
I'M ALWAYS AROUND.
MR. CARLSON PUT OUT AN E-MAIL FRIDAY.
I WAS IN NASHVILLE ON VACATION, BUT MY CHIEF OF STAFF CALLED
ME AND I CALLED YOU BACK.
BUT I LEFT YOU A MESSAGE.
SO I'M JUST SAYING --
10:55:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND WE HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY OR TWO DAYS
AGO.
10:55:55AM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
YES.
10:55:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHICH DIDN'T GO VERY WELL.
I WON'T TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF IT.

I THINK THERE HAS TO BE RESPECT FOR THE PUBLIC.
IF YOUR DEPARTMENT DOESN'T RESPECT THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT FOR
INFORMATION, WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM IN THE CITY.
10:56:10AM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
I'LL FIGHT BACK ON THAT BECAUSE WE DO
RESPECT THE PUBLIC.
10:56:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHERE IS THE BACKUP ON THIS IN SIRE?
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:56:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:56:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE
PUBLIC TO HAVE BACKUP ON THIS IN SIRE?
10:56:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, LET'S MOVE FORWARD,
PLEASE.
10:56:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS WHY THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST THIS
GOVERNMENT.
10:56:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME,
CAN WE PLEASE MOVE FORWARD?
10:56:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:56:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:56:39AM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
ARE WE READY?
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE RESPECT THE PUBLIC.
WE RESPECT THE COUNCIL, AND I'M ACCESSIBLE ALL THE TIME.
SO CALL ME AND I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND IF YOU WANT BRIEFINGS EVERY SIX MONTHS FROM SOLID WASTE
AND FROM WASTE TO ENERGY, LET ME KNOW.
I ALSO RUN FLEET AND FACILITIES.

SO JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.
I CAN'T BE THAT PERSON THAT IS A MIND READER.
BUT I'M ACCESSIBLE, AND WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING AT ALL
TIMES.
10:57:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:57:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO TRY TO GET CLARITY AND
STOP THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, BETWEEN I AND THE REST OF
US.
I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, SIR, AND TO THE ADMINISTRATION MY
SUGGESTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT.
ANYTIME YOU SEND OUT SOMETHING REGARDING ANYTHING IN THE
FUTURE, PUT IT IN THE COMPUTER SO YOU CAN PICK IT UP
IMMEDIATELY AND NOTIFY US WEEK AGO, TWO MONTHS AGO OR YEAR
AGO, THAT WAY ALL OF US WILL BE SATISFIED THAT EITHER YOU
DID OR YOU DIDN'T.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THAT WAY WE KNOW, YOU KNOW AND THE
PUBLIC KNOWS.
I WANT COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY.
10:57:57AM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
I AGREE.
10:57:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHAT I WANT ON BOTH SIDES.
10:58:01AM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
YEP.
10:58:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THE

MEETING, EVERY TIME THEY SEND US SOMETHING ON WHAT SUBJECT
MATTER IT IS, WHEN THEY NEED TO RECOUP, THEY PUSH THAT AND
HAND IT TO US.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
10:58:17AM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
OKAY.
SO TODAY I HAVE WITH ME CHUCK CONKLIN.
HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLAN.
HE IS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THIS.
WE HAVE LARRY WASHINGTON, THE DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE.
HE'S GOING TO PRESENT ON HIS PORTION BECAUSE WE'LL GIVE YOU
AN OVERALL OF WHAT LEADING UP TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO
HAPPEN ON 34th STREET.
THEN WE HAVE DENNIS ROGERO, CFO OF THE CITY, AND HE'LL TALK
THE FINANCING.
I KNOW YOU HEARD THIS, BUT I WANT TO GET IT OUT FOR THE
PUBLIC, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE FACILITY.
IT WAS BUILT IN 1967 AS AN INCINERATOR.
THAT'S WHERE ALL THE CITY'S TRASH WAS BROUGHT AND ULTIMATELY
JUST BURNED.
1985 THE TURBINE GENERATOR WAS INSTALLED.
THAT'S WHERE WE ACTUALLY PRODUCE THE ELECTRICITY NOW.
1998, BOILERS ONE AND TWO WERE REFURBISHED.
SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON SOME OF THE

MAINTENANCE WORK, WHEN THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE.
2002, BOILERS THREE AND FOUR WERE REFURBISHED.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE BOILERS, THAT'S WHAT BURNS THE TRASH.
THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM.
WE CAN BURN A THOUSAND TONS A DAY.
EACH BOILER DOES 250 TONS.
IT COULD GO UP OR DOWN DEPENDING ON HOW THEY ARE RUNNING, IF
THE TRASH IS WET.
BUT ULTIMATELY WE BURN ABOUT A THOUSAND TONS A DAY AND ABOUT
325,000 TONS A YEAR.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE TURBINE GENERATOR.
THE LAST TIME THAT WAS REFURBISHED WAS -- IT WAS EIGHT YEARS
AGO.
THE STANDARD ON THAT IS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO THAT'S COMING UP.
IT'S THREE YEARS OVERDUE.
FROM 1985 TO 2020, A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR RAN THE PLANT FOR
THE CITY.
AT FIRST IT WAS WASTE MANAGEMENT, AND THEN WHEELABRATOR
BOUGHT OUT WASTE MANAGEMENT, AND THEY RAN IT UP TO
JUNE 1st OF 2020 IS WHEN THE CITY TOOK IT BACK.
THE REASON WHY WE TOOK IT BACK IS THAT WE FELT THAT THEY
WEREN'T OPERATING THE PLANT PROPERLY, IN THE BEST INTEREST
OF THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS.
THERE WAS VERY LITTLE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THAT MANAGEMENT

AND THE SOLID WASTE OPERATION, AND THAT'S CRITICAL.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN OUTAGE AT THAT PLANT, THEN WE CAN'T
BRING CITY TRASH TO THAT PLANT THAT DAY AND WE HAVE TO
DIVERT IT.
WHAT WAS HAPPENING BACK THEN WAS OUR TRUCKS WOULD SHOW UP
AND SAY, OH, NO, WE'RE SHUT DOWN FOR TODAY.
NOW WE HAVE TO DIVERT IT AND THAT ROLLS INTO TRASH NOT
GETTING PICKED UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, OVERTIME
CONSIDERATIONS.
IT JUST MADE FOR A MESS.
WE ALSO FELT THAT THEY WEREN'T MAINTAINING THE EQUIPMENT
PROPERLY.
BY SHOWING YOU THE DATES, IT CONFIRMS THAT.
REALLY, THERE WAS NO ALLEGIANCE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
AN OUTSIDE PARTY RUNNING A CITY FACILITY REALLY NO
ALLEGIANCE.
THEIR ONLY ALLEGIANCE WAS LET'S BURN TONNAGE AND MAKE MONEY.
THAT'S THE REASONS WHY WE TOOK THIS OVER.
FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, FIRST OFF, WE BROUGHT CHUCK IN AND
WE STOLE HIM FROM WASHINGTON STATE.
HE'S DONE THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
HE'S TAKEN PRIVATE RUN INCINERATORS AND WASTE TO ENERGY
PLANTS AND TRANSITIONED THEM INTO CITY-RUN FACILITIES.
SO HE KNOWS THE BUSINESS AND HE'S BEEN DOING IT FOR 30-PLUS
YEARS.

SO THE FIRST YEAR THAT HE WAS EMPLOYED, HE SPENT SOLIDIFYING
THE WORKFORCE OUT THERE.
55 EMPLOYEES THAT WORK OUT THERE, AND THEY ARE CRITICAL
JOBS.
SOME OPERATE THE CRANES THAT PICK THE TRASH UP AND BRING IT
INTO THE TIPPING FLOOR AND THEN THERE ARE MAINTENANCE
PEOPLE.
THEY ARE VERY SPECIFIC JOBS.
RIGHT NOW HE HAS EIGHT OPENINGS.
THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS GETTING THE WORKFORCE TO 55.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE CONTRACTORS AND THEY
SUPPLEMENT WHAT WE CAN'T DO AND THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
THE SECOND YEAR IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED LOOKING INTO WHAT
DOES THIS PLANT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO FIX IT AND MAKE IT
RUN -- IT'S RUNNING BUT WE NEED TO MAKE THE REPAIRS AND THE
RENOVATIONS AND KEEP IT INTO THE FUTURE, SO THAT WE DON'T
HAVE ANY DISRUPTION OF CITY SERVICES FOR TRASH PICKUP.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT INQUIRY INVESTIGATION, COVID HIT.
AND IT HIT THE PLANT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE AND IT HIT
CHUCK.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHERE HE WAS DOWN AND OUT.
BUT THROUGH THAT, HE WORKED ONLINE AND WITH THE STAFF, AND
THEY CAME UP WITH A PLAN OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX THIS
WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT.
I THINK HE'S DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

ONCE HE CAME UP WITH WHAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND
WHERE WE'RE GOING, THERE WAS A BID PUT OUT AND CHARLES PERRY
PARTNERS, INCORPORATED, WAS SELECTED AS THE CONTRACTOR THAT
WILL RECEIVE -- THAT WILL OVERSEE THIS PROCESS.
CHUCK CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU, BECAUSE HE WAS ON THAT SELECTION
COMMITTEE ON WHAT PARAMETERS WERE DONE TO CHOOSE THEM.
HE'LL GET INTO THAT.
SO BACK IN AUGUST 26th OF 2021, THE DESIGN-BUILD FOR THIS
PROJECT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AND IT WAS VOTED IN TO
PROCEED.
THAT WAS A YEAR AGO.
WE'RE BACK A YEAR WITH THE INFORMATION OF HOW TO PROCEED.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
SO WE HAVE PRICING ON I'LL CALL IT PHASE ONE.
PHASE ONE IS MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO BUY TO
SERVICE THE PLANT.
AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS THAT ONCE YOU APPROVE THIS,
HOPEFULLY, IT TAKES 52 WEEKS OR ONE YEAR TO GET THESE --
THIS EQUIPMENT DELIVERED TO US.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.
AS THIS IS GOING ON WITH PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO IS IN PROCESS
WITH CHARLES PERRY PARTNERS INCORPORATED, CHUCK, THE
ENGINEER OF RECORD OUT AT THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLAN WHICH IS
ARCADIS AND CONTRACT ADMIN.
AND THEY ARE PUTTING TOGETHER WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST ONCE

THE PARTS AND MATERIALS COME IN, WHAT'S THE LABOR GOING TO
COST?
AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THAT PHASE TWO.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, CHUCK HAS DEVELOPED A FIVE-YEAR PLAN SO
THERE'S PHASE ONE, WHICH WE'RE HERE TODAY, PHASE TWO WHICH
WILL COME, BUT PHASE -- THIS FIVE-YEAR PLAN YOU NEED TO HEAR
ABOUT IT TODAY.
THAT'S WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS,
KIND OF LIKE MAINTENANCE WORK THAT WASN'T DONE DURING THE
TIME THE PRIVATE CONTRACTOR HAD IT.
CHUCK WILL KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT, TOO.
THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE 17 MILLION TODAY THAT
THERE'S SOME WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN ONE OF THE
BUILDINGS.
I THINK IT'S JUST PAINTING, RIGHT?
11:06:01AM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
11:06:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP?
ANYTIME ANYBODY IS GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP TO THE
PODIUM SO YOU CAN BE HEARD FOR THE RECORD.
11:06:11AM >> THERE IS A LOT OF PIPING THAT IS --
11:06:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAY I PLEASE HAVE YOUR NAME, SIR?
11:06:16AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
MY NAME IS CHUCK CONKLIN.
I'M THE WASTE TO ENERGY DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THERE'S A LOT OF PIPING THAT IS GOING TO BE EMPLOYED.
WE HAVE SOME UNDERGROUND PIPING THAT IS ROTTING, AND WE NEED

TO BRING IT ABOVEGROUND.
AND PART OF THIS 17 MILLION IS TO SET UP THAT PIPING PRIOR
TO TAKING THE PLANT DOWN SO THAT SOME OF THE COMPONENTS CAN
BE PUT IN PLACE WITHOUT HAVING TO BUILD THIS STAGING
PROLONGING AN OUTAGE IN THE PIPING.
11:06:57AM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
THE POINT OF THAT IS THAT IS GOING TO BE
COMPLETED BY EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY THERE.
THERE'S SOME NEWS THERE.
SO ONCE WE GET THE GO-AHEAD TO PROCEED WITH THIS, AND WE
ORDER EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO
COMPLETE THIS -- WELL, THE PLAN IS TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT
IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2023.
AND WE HAVE A 50-DAY WINDOW TO DO ALL THE WORK.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE PLANT HAS TO BE SHUT DOWN FOR 50
DAYS.
WE HAVE TO DIVERT ALL THAT TRASH TO ELSEWHERE, COMPLETE THE
WORK AND THEN BRING THE PLANT BACK UP WITHIN 50 DAYS.
THAT'S KIND OF A BASIC OVERVIEW.
GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE PLANT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN
DOING THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING ONCE YOU
APPROVE THIS HOPEFULLY.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO CHUCK CONKLIN.
11:07:57AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
ONCE AGAIN, CHUCK CONKLIN, WASTE-TO-ENERGY
DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
COUNCIL CHAIR, COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO

STATE THE CASE FOR WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR OUR REQUEST.
I CAME TO THE CITY OF TAMPA IN ORDER TO HELP WITH THE
TRANSITION FROM PRIVATE OPERATION TO PUBLIC OPERATION.
I'VE GOT OVER 40 YEARS' EXPERIENCE IN THE POWER INDUSTRY.
36 OF THOSE YEARS I'VE BEEN IN WASTE TO ENERGY.
THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER PLANT IN THE UNITED STATES,
LARGE-SCALE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT, THAT HAS DONE WHAT WE'RE
DOING HERE, AND THAT IS SPOKANE, WASHINGTON.
THE MAYOR OF SPOKANE HIRED ME TO TRANSITION THAT FACILITY,
AND IT WAS HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
THE CITY OF TAMPA LIKED WHAT WE WERE DOING AND THEY FOUND
THEMSELVES IN THE SAME BOAT AS SPOKANE WAS AND MADE THE
DECISION TO INTERNALIZE THE OPERATIONS.
AS DISCUSSED, THE MCKAY BAY FACILITY, REPLACEMENTS, UPGRADES
AND REPAIRS IN ORDER TO CONTINUE PROVIDING RELIABLE SOLID
WASTE DISPOSAL SERVICES TO THE CITY OF TAMPA NOW AND INTO
THE FUTURE.
THESE REPAIRS WILL HELP MOVE THE FACILITY FROM A REACTIVE
OPERATION TO ONE OF RELIABILITY, PREDICTABILITY AND A
PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
AS SAL DISCUSSED, THE TURBINE GENERATOR, IT'S OVER 35 YEARS
OLD.
INDUSTRY STANDARDS DICTATE THAT IT SHOULD BE OVERHAULED
EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THIS PARTICULAR MACHINE HAS BEEN OVER 8 YEARS SINCE THE LAST

OVERHAUL.
IF THIS MACHINE WERE TO HAVE A FAILURE, CATASTROPHIC
FAILURE, THIS PLANT IS DOWN, COULD BE DOWN FOR A YEAR OR
LONGER.
IF THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, THE COST TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE
CITIZENS WOULD BE -- I CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HOW MANY
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WOULD COST US AS THE CITY AND
CITIZENS.
THE MAIN TRANSFORMERS AT THE PLANT ARE OVER 37 YEARS OLD.
THIS IS THE TRANSFORMER THAT ALLOWS POWER TO BE PRODUCED AND
SENT OUT FOR SALE TO SEMINOLE POWER.
ALSO, IF THE PLANT GOES DOWN FOR ANY REASON, IT ALLOWS POWER
TO COME BACK TO US FROM THE POWER COMPANY.
NOW, WE PRODUCE A LOT OF POWER.
WE USE OUR OWN POWER THAT WE'RE PRODUCING TO OPERATE THE
PLANT, BUT WE SELL THE REMAINDER.
WE'RE SEEING NEARLY $10 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE FROM THAT
ELECTRICITY.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE NOT ONLY WOULD WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF EXPENSES SHOULD WE HAVE TO MOVE THAT WASTE TO LAND
FILLS OR OTHER WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANTS, WE WOULD ALSO LOSE
THIS NEARLY $10 MILLION IN REVENUE.
SO THERE ARE RISKS BY NOT DOING THIS WORK.
11:11:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU LET HIM FINISH HIS PRESENTATION
AND THEN YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.

WE CAN ALL ASK OUR QUESTIONS THEN.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE PROCEED.
11:11:25AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
WASTE TO ENERGY PLANTS REQUIRE A LOT OF
ATTENTION TO MAINTENANCE WITH TIME AND AGE.
THEY CAN FALL INTO DISREPAIR AND FROM INATTENTION AND
DEFERRING MAINTENANCE TO SAVE DOLLARS.
THIS PUTS US IN THAT REACTIVE MODE I TALKED ABOUT.
AND ESSENTIALLY A REACTIVE MODE IS RUN TO FAILURE WHICH IS
NOT IN ANYONE'S BEST INTEREST.
CERTAINLY NOT THE CITY OR THE CITIZENS.
BUT THE REALITY IS THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
IT'S OUR PLAN TO MAKE CHANGES FROM THIS TYPE OF OPERATION BY
COMPLETING THE PROPOSED C.I.P. PROJECTS.
THIS CAN BE DONE.
I HAVE LED A TEAM IN SPOKANE, WASHINGTON, THAT DID EXACTLY
THE SAME THING FOR THE SAME REASONS.
AS TAMPA IS DOING NOW.
AGAIN, THE FACILITY WAS TAKEN OVER AND STARTED BEING RUN BY
THE MUNICIPALITY ON JUNE 1st OF 2020.
SO WE HAVE TWO YEARS UNDER OUR BELT AND WE'RE RECOGNIZING
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THIS PLANT TO
SERVICE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WELL INTO THE
FUTURE.
THIS TAKES HARD WORK, DEDICATION, OF COURSE, TIME, AND, OF

COURSE, RESOURCES, MONEY.
THAT IS MY PRESENTATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 5, I BELIEVE IT IS.
THE $17 MILLION.
I HAVE SOME OTHER INFORMATION, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE MY
PRESENTATION GO LONGER.
11:13:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:13:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO START, FIRST OF ALL, MR. CHAIR, I
HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF THIS PROJECT OVERALL, BUT I WOULD
JUST LIKE TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS REAL FAST.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, ESPECIALLY THROUGH COVID.
I THOUGHT THE CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY, I THOUGHT THAT THE
CONVERSATION WITH YOU WENT WELL BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF
EXPERIENCE.
YOU HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE FROM SPOKANE AND OTHER PLACES.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE AND WORKING THROUGH THAT.
JUST TO CLARIFY THE NUMBERS FOR MY COLLEAGUES AND WE DID
SOME BEHIND THE NAPKIN KIND OF NUMBERS THE OTHER DAY.
YOU'RE GENERATING PLUS OR MINUS 10 MILLION IN REVENUES BY
SELLING ELECTRICITY TO SEMINOLE, CORRECT?
11:14:00AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
THAT IS CORRECT.
11:14:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEMINOLE ELECTRIC.
IF YOU HAD TO BUY THE ELECTRICITY THAT YOU'RE USING ON THE
PLANT, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT BE?
11:14:09AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
WELL, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAN

WE'RE RECEIVING FOR THE POWER WE GENERATE.
11:14:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WOULD IT BE 2 MILLION?
A MILLION?
ANY BALLPARK?
11:14:19AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS YET, BUT I CAN
CERTAINLY GET IT BACK TO YOU.
BUT I WOULD RESPECT IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE.
WHEN SEMINOLE POWER PAYS US, THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY PAYING US
ON AN AVOIDED COST BASIS.
THEY LOOK AT FUELS AND LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR THEM
TO PRODUCE THE SAME AMOUNT OF POWER.
THAT'S WHAT THEY PAY US.
OF COURSE, WHEN THEY SELL THEIR OWN POWER, THEY SELL IT FOR
A LOT MORE.
11:14:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT COST -- FORGIVE ME MY
NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY OFF, I THINK THE COST PER YEAR,
OPERATING COST, AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF THIS INCLUDES
CAPITAL AND INTEREST, BUT ABOUT 24 MILLION, DOES THAT SOUND
RIGHT?
11:15:01AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
YEAH, IT'S IN THE $24 MILLION --
11:15:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND SO A PLANT LIKE THIS, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO
IS POLICY MAKERS IS LOOK AT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
I THINK THESE PLANTS ARE NOT MEANT TO MAKE A PROFIT.
THEY ARE MEANT TO SOLVE A COMMUNITY ISSUE WHICH IS HOW DO WE

DISPOSE WASTE.
BUT BY USING THIS INCINERATOR, WE ARE GETTING $10 MILLION A
YEAR TO OFFSET THE 24 MILLION SO THE NET IS ABOUT 14.
11:15:30AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
THAT IS A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION.
11:15:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE CAPITAL COST OF
ALL THE THINGS MR. ROGERO WILL TALK ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES,
SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE GOT TO THIS
NUMBER, BUT I THINK THE COST OF SHIPPING TO PASCO LAND FILL,
MAYBE NOT INCLUDING DISTRIBUTION, BUT PAYING THE LAND FILL
COST IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 15 MILLION A YEAR.
IF WE DIDN'T USE THIS PLANT AT ALL AND WE SHIPPED IT UP
THERE --
11:15:58AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
I THINK WE ARRIVED AT THAT NUMBER OR
NUMBERS -- I DON'T HAVE A CALCULATOR WITH ME, BUT BASED ON
PAYING $71 A TON FOR 320,000 TONS OF WASTE THAT WOULD HAVE
TO BE MOVED.
11:16:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU TAKE AWAY -- SO JUST FOR MY
COLLEAGUES AND MAYBE THEY ASKED THIS QUESTION ALREADY, NET
RIGHT NOW THIS IS COG US NOT INCLUDING THE NEW CAPITAL
EXPENSES ABOUT 14 MILLION A YEAR.
IF WE SHUT THIS DOWN AND SENT IT TO THE LANDFILL, IT WOULD
BE ABOUT 15 MILLION.
SO PLUS OR MINUS, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME PRICE.
11:16:35AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
THE DISPOSAL PORTION OF IT YOU'RE RIGHT.

BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT DISPOSAL.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUCKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
DIVERTING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HANDLING WASTE HERE AND
PUTTING IT --
11:16:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE EXTRA COST OF TAKING IT TO PASCO.
11:16:48AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
LARRY CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO MORE OF THAT.
11:16:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M NOT ARGUING FOR LANDFILLS, BECAUSE THERE
ARE PROS AND CONS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, AND YOU
HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT I'M SURE YOU'LL GIVE
LATER.
I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS OF IT.
THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE.
IF WE HAD TO, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T SPENT $220 MILLION
AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
THAT'S ONLY FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S NOT 30 YEARS, NOT INCLUDING INTEREST.
AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF THIS, RIGHT NOW IF WE HAD TO
SHUT IT DOWN, IT'S ABOUT PLUS OR MINUS THE SIMILAR COST TO
SEND IT TO A LAND FILL.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEW
COST OF IT, WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST.
WE HAVE TO LOOK 30 YEARS.
NO BUSINESS WOULD LOOK AT A BIG CAPITAL EXPENDITURE OF THIS
FOR FIVE YEARS OR TWO YEARS.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE TOTAL 30-YEAR COST IS AND

INCLUDE INTEREST.
LIKE ON HANNA AVENUE, BESIDES THE PRICE ESCALATION AND LACK
OF BIDDING, WE FOUND OUT THE INTEREST WAS LIKE 71 MILLION.
IF YOU TAKE 108 MILLION PLUS 71 MILLION, AND WE DIDN'T EVEN
INCLUDE O AND M, IT'S PROBABLY TOTAL COST OVER THREE YEARS
IS 220 MILLION OR MORE FOR A BUILDING THAT HOUSES 500
PEOPLE.
I MEAN, INCREDIBLY HIGH PRICES.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS JUST MAKE SURE WE KNOW ALL THE
COSTS, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF FAILURE.
IF THERE IS A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE THING IS SAFE AND NOBODY GETS HURT AND NOTHING LIKE THAT
HAPPENS.
IF THE THING SHUT DOWN, IF THE TURBINES STOPPED WORKING, WE
NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE AND LOOK AT THE
ALTERNATIVES.
ALL WE WOULD DO IS REDIRECT IT TO THE LAND FILL.
WHAT ARE THE ONGOING OPERATING COSTS DURING A SHUTDOWN THAT
WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PAY?
WHAT DOUBLE COST -- I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE ANSWER NOW, BUT
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION OR A FINANCIAL DECISION THAT WE'RE
MAKING AND A POLICY DECISION.
WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE THERE IS A
SPECIFIC COST.

11:18:42AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
MAY I FOR A MOMENT?
11:18:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PLEASE.
11:18:46AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT $220 MILLION.
$220 MILLION IS NOT FOR THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT.
IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE SOLID WASTE SYSTEM.
THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT IS ASKING FOR $17 MILLION NOW TO
BUY THE EQUIPMENT AND PUT DOWN PAYMENTS ON WORK THAT WE NEED
TO BRING IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN PERFORM THE
OUTAGE WITHIN A YEAR.
THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE RISK IS NOT THE
RISK OVER THE NEXT WEEK.
IT'S THE RISK OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
11:19:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, 17 MILLION IS TO DO
IMMEDIATE THINGS IN THE NEXT YEAR, YOU TALKED ABOUT A
FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WHAT IS THE TOTAL CAPITAL WE NEED TO PUT
IN THIS PLAN OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS?
11:19:40AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
TYPICALLY WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT HAS BETWEEN
THREE TO FOUR MILLION DOLLARS OF CAPITAL PER YEAR.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
11:19:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU KNOW AT THE TIME WE TOOK OVER THIS
FROM WHEELABRATOR, WAS THERE AN ANALYSIS DONE AND ESTIMATE
OF ALL THE REPAIRS AND COST OF REPAIRS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO?
11:19:59AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
I WAS NOT PRESENT FOR THAT SO I CAN'T
COMMENT ON WHAT WAS DONE AND WHAT WAS NOT DONE.

11:20:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY POINT, SIMILAR TO HANNA AVENUE, HANNA
AVENUE, WHILE THAT EVALUATION WAS BEING DONE, WE COULD HAVE
BOUGHT TAMPA CITY CENTER ACROSS THE STREET FOR I THINK 119
MILLION.
WE'LL END UP PAYING 108 PLUS, PLUS, PLUS FOR HANNA AVENUE.
WE COULD HAVE RENTED OUT THE EXTRA SPACE ACROSS THE STREET,
TAMPA CITY CENTER, AND MADE A PROFIT ON IT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST EMPIRE BUILDING,
THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING THE RIGHT POLICY DECISIONS.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT WE GO THROUGH ALL THE
BUSINESS NUMBERS.
YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.
YOU CAN TALK US THROUGH IT.
BUT I WANT TO SET THE PUBLIC'S EXPECTATION BECAUSE WE MAKE A
DECISION NOW AND THEN A YEAR FROM NOW COME BACK AND SAY,
OKAY, NOW WE NEED ANOTHER 20 MILLION, I WOULD RATHER MAP OUT
THE WHOLE THING FOR 30 YEARS, WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST
INCLUDING INTEREST, CAPITAL, O AND M, EVERYTHING FOR WHAT WE
NEED TO DO OVER 30 YEARS AND COMPARE IT TO THE OTHER POLICY
CHOICES AND LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WHICH YOU'RE AN
EXPERT ON AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT THAT HOLISTICALLY, THEN WE
CAN MAKE A DECISION THAT'S PRUDENT FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND PROBABLY BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD THE OTHER DAY,
PROBABLY WILL GET BACK TO THE SAME POINT THAT YOU ALL ARE
AT.

BUT MY ISSUE IS THAT IN THE LAST TWO MEETINGS WHERE THIS WAS
DISCUSSED IN THE BUDGET IT WAS A QUICK LINE ITEM, OH, WE'LL
COME BACK TO YOU ON 220 MILLION.
YES, THERE WERE MEMOS IN THE PAST BUT NOT A COMPREHENSIVE
LOOK AT THIS AS A POLICY DECISION AND AS A BIG CAPITAL
EXPENDITURE.
WE NEED IN A MORE WHOLESOME WAY NOT JUST TALK AS CITY
COUNCIL BUT TALK TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE
LOOKING AT ALL THE NUMBERS.
A PUBLIC COMPANY WOULD NEVER MAKE A DECISION ON A SHORT-TERM
BASIS LIKE THIS.
THEY ALWAYS WOULD PLAN OUT.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING PRUDENT ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:21:48AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
I'D LIKE TO RESPOND A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HANNA.
THAT WOULD BE SAL RUGGIERO.
ONCE AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS ENOUGH MONEY TO START
THE PROCESS, TO ORDER THE EQUIPMENT, AND GET ON PEOPLE'S
SCHEDULES FOR A YEAR FROM NOW.
PRICING NUMBER TWO WILL COME IN FOR THE INSTALLATION, THE
REST OF THE COMPONENTS THAT DON'T HAVE LONG LEAD TIME AND
ALL OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER YET.
AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE 17 MILLION TO GET THAT PROCESS

STARTED.
I DO HAVE A LITTLE INFORMATION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL.
11:22:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:22:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'LL HOLD BACK UNTIL DENNIS GETS BACK.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT MR. CARLSON IS TALKING ABOUT THAT WE
NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
I TELL HIM UP FRONT, WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I'LL HAVE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:23:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:23:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LOOKING AT THE $17 MILLION IN REGARDS TO
MAINTENANCE AND THE TURBINES AND A CATASTROPHIC SITUATION
WHERE THIS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED EVERY FIVE YEARS, NOW WE'RE
AT YEAR 8, SO KNOCK ON WOOD, I HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS, BUT
SHOULD IT HAPPEN, IT'S NOT ABOUT WE CAN SEND IT OFF TO PASCO
COUNTY, BUT IT'S DIVERTING THE TRASH, THE WASTE TO DADE CITY
AND THE REDUCTION IN THE QUALITY OF THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE
PROVIDING THE COMMUNITY ON TOP OF A DELAY OF POSSIBLY A
YEAR, YOU KNOW, TO GET THINGS UP AND RUNNING AGAIN.
I SEE THIS AS A MAINTENANCE INVESTMENT.
I THINK DENNIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'LL TALK ABOUT
THIS LATER, WE'RE ACTING AS OUR OWN BANK, PAYING THIS MONEY
BACK.
HE'LL EXPLAIN IT LATER.
BUT MAINTENANCE IS KEY BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A GENERATOR ISSUE,

A TURBINE ISSUE AND WE HAVE TO DIVERT TO ANOTHER COUNTY
WHICH IS FARTHER AWAY, NOT JUST -- NOT JUST WHAT IT'S GOING
TO COST US, NOT JUST THE REVENUE THAT WE LOSE, WHAT WE SELL
TO SEMINOLE AND HOW WE EARN THAT, LIKE EIGHT, NINE HUNDRED
THOUSAND A MONTH I THINK THE NUMBER WE THREW OUT THERE WAS
$10 MILLION A YEAR.
IT'S THE FACT THAT THE TRANSPORTATION TO GET THAT THERE, THE
DELAY, THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'LL GET FROM THE PUBLIC, PEOPLE
WANT THE SOLID WASTE PICKED UP.
THEY ARE ON A SET SCHEDULE.
WHEN THE FACILITY IS BACKED UP AND SHUT DOWN AND WE HAVE TO
DIVERT IT TO ANOTHER COUNTY, IT TAKES TIME TO GET TO DADE
CITY.
I THINK WE DON'T REALIZE THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATED DOLLARS, BUT I THINK IT COULD
BE AN EVEN WORSE SITUATION.
I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY AND WHY, AND WE'RE BEHIND ON THE
SCHEDULE OF MAINTAINING THIS, AND ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN NEGATIVELY, AND WE WANT TO AVOID THAT.
11:25:10AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
I'D LIKE ALSO TO ADD TO THAT.
SHOULD WE HAVE TO DIVERT ALL OF THIS WASTE, THE INCREASE IN
GREENHOUSE GASES, WHEN YOU PUT A TON OF TRASH INTO A LAND
FILL, LAND FILLS GENERATE METHANE, WHETHER THEY HAVE A
COLLECTION SYSTEM OR NOT.
METHANE IS 80 TIMES MORE POTENT A GREENHOUSE GAS THAN CO2,

AND WE EMIT CO2 AT THE FACILITY.
I HAVE SOME NUMBERS TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH CO2 WE EMIT AND
COMPARE THAT TO THE GREENHOUSE GASES THAT ARE NATIONWIDE
FROM BOTH WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANTS COMPARATIVE TO LANDFILLS.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT GOES ON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
DIVERTING WASTE FOR UP TO A YEAR OR MORE.
11:26:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT IS ALREADY 11:25 RIGHT
NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD OFF ON QUESTIONS UNTIL THE PRESENTATION
HAS COME.
I ALREADY HAVE MY QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO ASK, AND THEY
WILL BE DONE IN RAPID FIRE.
NO OFFENSE TO STAFF, BUT WE HAVE STAFF HERE THAT REALLY
NEEDS TO GET BACK TO WORK.
IF WE CAN HOLD OUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END.
PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
11:26:29AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
SHALL I MOVE ON TO ITEMS 69 AND 70?
11:26:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE.
11:26:35AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
ITEM NUMBER 69 HAS AN ID NUMBER OF 7691.
76691 FOR $488,256.24.
THIS IS AN ANNUAL CONTRACT.
THIS ALLOWS US TO GO INSIDE EACH OF THE FOUR BOILERS AND
REPLACE THE GRATE LOCKS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
GRATE BLOCKS, EXACTLY WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE.
THE FUEL COMES INTO THE FURNACE.

IT GOES ON TO THE GRATE BLOCKS AND THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE IS
GENERATED.
2500 DEGREES.
UP TO 2500 DEGREES.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT GO ON IN THE GRATE
BLOCKS.
WE WILL BE SEEING THIS CONTRACT ANNUALLY.
THE SAME IS TRUE FOR ITEM 76698.
THIS IS FOR THE REFRACTORY IN THE BOILERS.
THEY NEED TO BE MAINTAINED ANNUALLY.
REMEMBER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR BOILERS HERE.
THE REFRACTORY COVERS THE TUBES IN THE BOILER AND PROTECTS
THOSE TUBES IN THE FURNACE AREA FROM DIRECT IMPINGEMENT FROM
THE FLAMES AND THE HEAT AND CORROSION OF THE BURNING
PROCESS.
SO THESE ARE ANNUAL CONTRACTS, AND THEY ARE CONTAINED WITHIN
THE OPERATING BUDGET THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT HOW
MUCH IT COSTS TO RUN A WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LARRY.
11:28:22AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
I APPRECIATE IT.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN.
GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
I'M LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE ENVIRONMENTAL
PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
I WILL ROUND OUT ITEM 7, MYSELF AND THE CFO, MR. ROGERO.

I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE RELOCATION OF THE SOLID WASTE
HEADQUARTERS FROM SPRUCE STREET TO 34th STREET.
NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OUR EXISTING SITE HAS MULTIPLE --
CAN YOU SEE?
I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OUR EXISTING SITE HAS MULTIPLE
DEPARTMENTS.
WE HAVE SOLID WASTE, OF COURSE, FACILITY MAINTENANCE,
CONTAINER IS PART OF SOLID WASTE AND FLEET MAINTENANCE.
THIS PARCEL IS 17 ACRES IN TOTAL.
IN ADDITION, IT SPANS FROM SPRUCE STREET TO LAUREL STREET.
VERY BOTTOM IS HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU AS WELL.
YOU LOOK NORTH, LOOK SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE RESIDENTIAL AREAS
SURROUNDING IT.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS
WAS A LONG TIME COMING.
LIKE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED.
ULTIMATELY -- WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR
APPROVING THE DESIGN-BUILD LAST MONTH.
JULY 14, FOR THIS PROJECT AS A WHOLE.
I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK BECAUSE I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU KNOW
ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT JUST IN CASE, THERE ARE SOME THAT DO
NOT REMEMBER, THIS WAS NOT HAPHAZARDLY STUMBLED UPON.
2019, HOWARD AND ASSOCIATES PREPARED A MASTER PLAN FOR THIS
PARCEL AND SOLID WASTE IN GENERAL.

AND THEREFORE THIS HAS LED TO THE RELOCATION ITSELF.
TO BE SPECIFIC, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT
THERE'S MORE THAN JUST AN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING ARRIVING
AT 34th STREET.
IT'S AN ADMIN BUILDING, FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING AS WELL
SO WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR FLEETS, TRUCK WASH, RELOCATING FROM
OUR CURRENT SITE TO THE MCKAY BAY FACILITY.
SCALE HOUSE.
WE'RE IMPROVING OUR SCALE HOUSE.
WE'RE EXPANDING THE LANES AS WELL TO ACCOMMODATE FOR OUR
GROWING COMMUNITIES AS WELL AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A PARKING
GARAGE.
THIS PROJECT IN ITSELF IS THREE YEARS.
ONE YEAR FOR BUILD AND A ONE YEAR FOR DESIGN AND TWO YEARS
TO BUILD.
AND THE CCNA PROCESS TOOK PLACE DECEMBER 17, 2021.
MOVING FORWARD, SO THIS IS WHERE WE PLAN ON RELOCATING.
MR. CHUCK CONKLIN JUST MENTIONED THE AREA.
IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL SITE.
YOU CAN SEE TO THE WEST IS THE ACTUAL INCINERATOR.
WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO RELOCATE OURSELVES IN THIS PARCEL.
IF YOU LOOK TOWARDS THE EAST OF THAT WASTE TO ENERGY
FACILITY, YOU CAN SEE THE IMPOUND LOT.
THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WILL BE

LOCATED.
THERE'S MULTIPLE BENEFITS FOR THIS RELOCATION.
SPRUCE STREET TO MCKAY BAY FACILITY IS 19 MINUTES IN TOTAL.
THAT'S WITHOUT TRAFFIC.
IMAGINE A 4 P.M. DAY, FINISHING YOUR ROUTE AND A GARBAGE
TRUCK SITTING AT LEAST 40 MINUTES.
PUT THAT INTO DOLLARS AND CENTS, LET'S SAY A HUNDRED PEOPLE,
HUNDRED EMPLOYEES, 30 MINUTES APIECE, AT A RATE FOR OVERTIME
IS $32, FOUR DAYS A WEEK, THAT'S $330,000 A YEAR THAT WE
COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE BY RELOCATING.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WOULD CENTRALIZE OUR RIGHT NOW
FRAGMENTED OPERATION.
WE WILL GAIN EFFICIENCY AS I JUST MENTIONED AND PRODUCTIVITY
FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL.
REDUCE THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND FUEL USAGE AS MOST OF YOU
KNOW, 60% OF OUR 140 FLEET TEAM IS C AND G POWER.
COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS.
ON TOP OF THAT, WE WILL REDUCE THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING
AREAS, THE NOISE POLLUTION, THE CONGESTION, THE TRAFFIC
CONGESTION, AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
REVITALIZE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
ALSO, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THE BENEFITS FOR
THE EMPLOYEES, OUR TEAM AS WELL.
SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE MENTAL STRAIN OF HAVING TO
TRAVEL THROUGHOUT TRAFFIC TO GET FROM THE INCINERATOR BACK

TO THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY LOCATED ON SPRUCE RIGHT NOW.
AND IN ADDITION, IT WOULD IMPROVE THE WORK LIFE BALANCE FOR
OUR TEAM.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, OF COURSE.
AND I OPEN THIS UP FOR THE CFO, MR. ROGERO.
11:33:30AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
OF COURSE, YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN THE REASONS WHY WE THINK THIS
IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
I USE THE TERM COURSE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS.
WE'RE CHARTING A COURSE AND SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO GO WITH
THAT COURSE, WE'RE OFFERING YOU A WAY TO PAY FOR IT.
BUT IF I COULD, AGAIN, CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.
THE $220 MILLION THAT WE'RE REFERENCING IS PART OF THE
FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE SUBMITTED TO
YOU EARLIER THIS MONTH.
WE'RE SIMPLY FLESHING IT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE
NEED FOR AN INITIAL PURCHASE OF $17 MILLION.
AS COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS REFERENCING, THOUGH, ULTIMATELY
SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO PURSUE THIS COURSE, IT IS A $220 MILLION
PLAN IN THOSE FIRST THREE YEARS.
BUT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO APPROVE A $220 MILLION
PLAN RIGHT NOW.
AND COUNCIL KNOWS FROM EXPERIENCE I WOULD CERTAINLY NEVER

ASK YOU TO APPROVE 220 MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF DEBT
WITHOUT THE ROAD SHOW, THE PRESENTATION, MY INTERNAL AND
EXTERNAL FINANCE TEAM HERE.
SO I APOLOGIZE IF THE $220 MILLION HAS BEEN CONFUSING AND
I'LL ADDRESS THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A $17 MILLION CONTRACT AGREEMENT.
WE'RE ASKING TO MOVE SOME FUNDING INTERNALLY WITHIN SOLID
WASTE SO WE CAN MEET THAT $17 MILLION CONTRACT AGREEMENT.
AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WE'RE LETTING
YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A RATE STUDY, WHICH WILL LIKELY,
AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, LEAD TO SOME RATE INCREASE IN THE
SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
FINALLY, AND THIS IS WHERE I'LL BRING IN THE 220 MILLION.
IN AN EFFORT AT BEING AS EXPEDIENT AS POSSIBLE, WHAT WE'RE
ASKING IS SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO ISSUE DEBT, THIS WILL ALLOW
US, AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WAS SAYING, TO PAY OURSELVES
BACK FROM THAT BOND.
WE SPEND A DOLLAR NOW WITHOUT A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION, I
CAN'T CAPTURE THAT BACK FROM THE BOND ISSUANCE.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, PERHAPS THERE IS A WAY FORWARD FOR
THIS URGENT BUT NOT EMERGENCY NEED.
IF THE 220 MILLION IS CAUSING HESITANCY, AND, AGAIN, IT
STILL NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT.
AGAIN, COUNCIL STILL HAS TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TO TALK ABOUT
THE BUDGET AND THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

I BELIEVE IT IS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO AMEND ITEM NUMBER 3,
THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION TO COINCIDE WITH THE 17 ODD
MILLION DOLLAR EXPENDITURE.
THAT ALLOWS US TO START SPENDING MONEY SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO
PURSUE THIS COURSE AND PAY OURSELVES BACK WITH THE BOND.
BUT I DO FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY FROM THE FINANCE PERSPECTIVE,
AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION HAS PROVED IT FROM THE
DEPARTMENTAL PERSPECTIVE.
IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, WE FELT IT WOULD BE
DISINGENUOUS TO ASK TO MAKE A $17 MILLION DECISION WITHOUT
KNOWING IT COULD LEAD TO THIS INCREMENT, THAT IT COULD LEAD
TO THIS INCREMENT, THAT IT COULD LEAD TO THIS INCREMENT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER THE $220 MILLION
PRESENTATION.
I'LL REITERATE AGAIN, AT EACH AND EVERY INSTANT WHERE WE
SEEK DEBT FOR THIS, WE'LL COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
WE'LL GIVE THE PRESENTATION.
AND CITY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO PROCEED OR NOT.
YOU HEARD SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES IF WE DON'T PROCEED.
AGAIN, THAT WILL BE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION AT THAT TIME.
AT THIS TIME, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE VOLATILE NATURE OF PRICE
INCREASES, WE'D LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE $17 MILLION
EXPENDITURE.
AND FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WHATEVER I CAN DO TO MAKE
YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT 17 MILLION I'LL TRY TO DO.

11:37:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE ALL OF YOU COLLECTIVELY READY TO TAKE
QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST ASK MR. ROGERO
A QUESTION?
AS I STATED EARLIER, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ASK ALL STAFF
CONCERNED QUESTIONS.
THEN LET'S GO WITH ALL STAFF.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU'RE FIRST UP.
11:37:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOST OF MY QUESTIONS TO MR. ROGERO.
SOLID WASTE HAS SOME MONEY THAT CAN HELP WITH THE 17
MILLION, CORRECT?
11:38:05AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
11:38:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO THEY CAN PAY THEMSELVES BACK BASICALLY
ON IT, RIGHT?
11:38:09AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
11:38:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE BIGGER QUESTION YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL
PICTURE, I LOOK, GIVE AN EXAMPLE, YESTERDAY, ONE OF MY
VEHICLES WAS DOWN FOR LIKE 19 DAYS.
YESTERDAY, THE LADY CALLS ME AND SAYS YOU NEED MAINTENANCE.
COME IN TOMORROW.
BUT THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
MY QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE,
YOU NEVER CAN GO BACK, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THAT.
HOW IN THE WORLD, AND THINGS DO BREAK.
THEY GET OLD.
THERE WAS NO PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE IT SEEMS LIKE.

ONCE YOU FIX THIS ONE SECTION, THAT'S A NEW PUMPING ENGINE.
SOMETHING ELSE WILL BREAK.
THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF IT.
SO THE BIG BOTTOM PICTURE, I WANT TO KNOW -- HOW ARE YOU
GOING TO BREAK THIS UP?
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WILL SAY WHERE IS MY INCREASE GOING TO
COME IN?
WHERE IS THE INCREASE?
HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK?
YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S AN INCINERATOR.
GARBAGE HAS TO BE PICKED UP.
GARBAGE HAS TO BE BURNED.
DON'T WANT TO PUT GARBAGE ALL IN LAND FILLS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S SAFE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO I THINK MR. CARLSON IS RIGHT IN ONE ASPECT.
WHEN YOU BRING A PROJECT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE ANALYSIS,
BUT YOU GOT TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOME ANALYSIS TO THE TABLE
TO SAY HERE ARE THOSE STEPS FOR THE $220 MILLION AND THE
PERIOD OF TIME IT WILL TAKE OR HOW WE PAY OURSELVES BACK FOR
THAT MONEY.
I'M HOPING THAT SOONER VERSUS THAN LATER THAT WE CAN HAVE
THOSE STUFF.
I KNOW THE INCINERATOR IS A BIG, BIG DEAL WHEN YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT GARBAGE.

11:39:55AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
11:39:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT REALLY CAN TAKE A CITY UNDER WHEN YOU
HAVE GARBAGE SITTING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND HEALTH
CONDITIONS.
I'M HOPING IF YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL OUTLINE, SCHEMATIC OF WHAT
IT'S REALLY GOING TO COST US, WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THE
CITIZENS, YOU NEVER GAUGE EXACTLY WHAT IT COST BUT AN
OUTLINER THAT THEY ARE PREPARED AND CITIZENS HAVE OUTREACH
TO HAVE THEIR CONCERNS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND, DO WE NEED THIS
OR ARE THERE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO HELP CUT THAT COST DOWN?
IS THAT FAIR?
11:40:26AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
FAIR, AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.
AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL TASK OUR RATE
CONSULTANT WITH.
LOOK AT ALL OF OUR NEEDS, WHETHER IT IS DEBT SERVICE FUNDED,
WHETHER COUNCIL CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE AN INCINERATOR ANYMORE,
FOR INSTANCE.
I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING BUT THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL
DISCRETION.
LOOK AT ALL THE ITERATIONS, ALL OF THE SCENARIOS AND WHAT
WOULD IT TAKE TO FUND IT, FUND IT NOT ONLY REACTIVELY FOR
THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, BUT
FURTHER TO YOUR POINT, PROACTIVELY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
NECESSARY MAINTENANCE IS FUNDED IN PERPETUITY REALLY AND
THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR SCOPE.

AND THEN WE'LL BRING THOSE RESULTS TO COUNCIL.
11:41:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:41:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ALONG THE SAME LINES AS COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, WHEN YOU BUILD
SOMETHING YOU KNOW FOR HOW LONG IT WOULD LAST, I WOULD
ASSUME.
I THINK THE COMPARISON OUGHT TO BE MADE, IF YOU DON'T DO
ANYTHING, WHAT'S THE COST YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN
WHAT YOU HAVE?
AND WHAT ARE THE RISKS INVOLVED IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING?
LET'S GO BACK TO THE CAR.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WHEN I BUY A NEW CAR I DO THIS AND
THAT BECAUSE I NEVER BOUGHT A NEW CAR.
CAN'T AFFORD DEPRECIATION TAKING IT OUT LOSING EIGHT OR TEN
THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY I WAS BROUGHT UP.
AUTO INDUSTRY.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHEN YOU HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE, WHY DO YOU
BUY ONE?
BECAUSE REALLY YOU -- IT AIN'T ABOUT THE MODEL, SHINE,
GREASE, ALL THAT KIND OF FLAIR THEY PUT.
NOW YOU CAN GO TO A CAR, 0 TO 60 IN 1.9 SECONDS.
THE PROBLEM I ASK MYSELF, WHO IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A
TICKET?
THOSE ARE FALSE ADVERTISING THAT THEY ARE GIVING YOU, OH,

THIS CAR IS REALLY FAST?
WHERE ARE YOU GOING, THE SPEEDWAY?
WE'RE ALREADY HAVING A PROBLEM.
LET'S FACE IT, REALITY IS REALITY.
YOU BUY A CAR BECAUSE THE VEHICLE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF
YOU IS COSTING YOU X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, IF YOU FIGURE OUT
FOR A YEAR OR TWO, YOU COULD ALMOST PAY OFF WHAT YOU'RE
BUYING.
EVEN HAVE AIR CONDITIONING WORKING VERY WELL.
THE ONE YOU HAVE DOESN'T WORK TOO VERY WELL.
YOU KICK THE TIRES AND THE REAR BUMPER FALLS OFF.
THOSE ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE FACING, BUT IN A LARGER
SCALE OF ECONOMY, CALL IT WHAT WE HAVE.
I THINK IN TRANSPARENCY, TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT IS IT GOING TO
COST NOT TO CHANGE.
IF YOU WANT TO COST WHAT IT CHANGES, TELL THEM WHAT IT COSTS
NOT TO CHANGE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THINGS CHANGE.
NO ONE FOLLOWS MY MODEL, THANK GOD THEY DO, I DON'T SMOKE, I
DON'T DRINK.
DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE THAT SMOKE AND DRINK.
MY WIFE NEVER SMOKED AND NEVER DRANK AND SHE DIED OF LUNG
CANCER.
FIGURE THAT OUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:43:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

11:43:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ECHO THAT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN
YOU PUT THE INCINERATOR, WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF A
CONTRACTOR, YOU'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE SAME LEVEL OF
ATTENTION AND DETAIL AS WHEN YOU PULL IT BACK TO THE CITY.
I DO WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR PULLING THAT BACK.
I THINK THAT WAS WISE.
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE TO
DEAL WITH.
BUT THE OTHER THING -- AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING AN
ACTUAL PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
VISUALS WOULD BE LOVELY BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE VISUAL,
ESPECIALLY THE PUBLIC.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE BREAKDOWN OF THIS.
BUT TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT, TO ALSO DISCUSS, TO SHOW
US VERY CLEARLY WHAT INACTION MEANS.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT NO ONE HERE HAS MENTIONED, WHEN
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LARGER PLAN, THE 17 MILLION I'M
ABSOLUTELY INCLINED TO SUPPORT, NO PROBLEM.
WE NEED TO GET THAT STARTED, BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
OVERALL PLAN TO MOVE THE SOLID WASTE AND FLEET MAINTENANCE
FACILITIES OUT OF SPRUCE STREET AREA IS THE BOON TO THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DEALT WITH FOR
SO MANY YEARS AND HOW MUCH THEY WANT THAT SPACE BACK.
AND WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO WITH THAT AMOUNT OF LAND IN THAT

NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I REALLY WANT US TO THINK ABOUT THE LARGER PICTURE OF
THAT, TOO.
YES, WE ARE DOING THIS, BUT WE ARE ALSO HELPING A
NEIGHBORHOOD JUST -- I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE CHANGES
THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE BECAUSE THEY DON'T
HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOLID WASTE VEHICLES AND OTHER LARGE FLEET
MAINTENANCE VEHICLES THERE.
SO LET'S BRING THAT PART INTO THAT PRESENTATION AS WELL
BECAUSE THAT'S THE UNTOLD PART.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
THAT'S OUR JOB.
BUT WE WANT TO SHARE THOSE NUMBERS WITH THE PUBLIC.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF LAND AND THE
POSSIBILITIES FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD GOING FORWARD.
11:45:54AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:45:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:45:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL BE REAL QUICK.
11:46:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BASED ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST SAID,
I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE YOU ALL, BEFORE ANY KIND OF RATE
INCREASE, ESPECIALLY I THINK YOU OUGHT TO COME BACK FOR A
WORKSHOP DISCUSSION OR SOME LONGER CONVERSATION, A DAY LIKE
TODAY, WE HAVE 125 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND THIS SHOULD TAKE

TWO OR THREE HOURS TO DISCUSS.
THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THE ADMINISTRATION ON ANY OF THESE
MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, PLEASE COME TO US PROACTIVELY AND
JUST HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHERE THESE THINGS STAND AND
EDUCATE US AND THE PUBLIC.
YOU COULD HAVE SENT US A HUNDRED E-MAILS ABOUT THIS, BUT IF
THE PUBLIC IS NOT READING OUR E-MAILS, THEY DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLESOME DISCUSSION ON IT.
BASED ON EVERYTHING I KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE
INCINERATOR AND I VOTED FOR IT TO CONVERT TO THE CITY.
BUT WHAT WE'RE REALIZING NOW IS THAT WE'RE MISSING A WHOLE
BUNCH OF INFORMATION.
IT WORRIES ME BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TO PURE, WHICH ORIGINALLY
WAS 300 MILLION AND THEN IT TURNS OUT IT'S BETWEEN 2 AND 6
BILLION.
AND THEN HANNA AVENUE, WHICH STARTED OUT AS TWO BUILDINGS
FOR A HUNDRED MILLION, THEN IT WAS ONE BUILDING FOR
108 MILLION THAT ACTUALLY IS MAYBE 220 MILLION, IF YOU
INCLUDE INTEREST AND O AND M.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND BEING GIVEN
THE FULL INFORMATION.
IF YOU ALL AREN'T GENERATING THAT INFORMATION, SHAME ON YOU

FOR NOT DOING IT.
YOU NEED TO PRESENT IT TO US AS IF WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU BRIEFED US IN PRIVATE, THE PUBLIC
DESERVES TO KNOW IT.
THE REASON WHY I GOT UPSET AND ANGRY IN THE BEGINNING AND ON
THE PHONE CALL THE OTHER DAY IS I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES
TO KNOW.
AND THIS PRESENTATION IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR THE PUBLIC.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE WERE
GOING TO HAVE THIS EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
PEOPLE WERE SHOCKED TO SEE AN ITEM THAT WAS 220 MILLION.
AND ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS LEADING TO A RATE INCREASE,
WHATEVER THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT IS, WE NEED TO DO DOUBLE OR
TRIPLE OF THAT TO INFORM THE PUBLIC.
WE NEED TO REALLY LET THEM KNOW WHEN WE WORKED ON THE PIPES
INCREASE, THERE WERE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT
MAYBE 20 OR 30 PEOPLE ATTENDED BESIDES STAFF.
I ATTENDED MORE THAN HALF OF THEM.
AND THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY GOT THEIR BILLS WERE UPSET BECAUSE
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE BILL WAS GOING UP.
WE NEED TO OVERCOMMUNICATE THIS AND EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS.
THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T LIKE THE EXPECTATION THAT CITY
COUNCIL IS A RUBBER STAMP AND THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO
APPROVE EVERYTHING, AND THAT A 15-MINUTE OR HOUR-LONG
CONVERSATION IS ENOUGH TO GET US TO APPROVE A RATE INCREASE

OR $220 MILLION.
A RATE INCREASE IN A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING
KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT IS A
BIG DEAL.
THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY I OBJECT TO PURE ALSO.
WHY WOULD YOU DOUBLE SOMEBODY'S WATER RATES FOR SOMETHING
THAT WE DON'T NEED?
IN THIS CASE IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO NEED IT, BUT WE JUST NEED
TO BE THOROUGH IN HOW EXPLAINING IT TO US AND PRETEND LIKE
WE'RE IN KINDERGARTEN AND SHOW US PICTURES, DIAGRAMS, VIDEOS
IF YOU HAVE IT.
SHOW US ALL THE DETAIL YOU CAN ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC
DESERVES TO KNOW ALL OF THAT.
JUST A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS.
ON ALL THESE CONSULTANTS YOU MENTIONED, SORRY I HAVE TO ASK
THIS, BUT WAS THERE AN RFP PROCESS AND WERE THERE MULTIPLE
BIDDERS ON THOSE CONTRACTS?
11:49:14AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR IN THE PROCESS.
11:49:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON THE PLANNING AND EVALUATION STAGE,
SEVERAL CONSULTANTS WERE MENTIONED.
11:49:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
PLANNING AND EVALUATION -- OH, I'M SORRY.
I THINK THAT WAS MR. CONKLIN.
I APOLOGIZE.
11:49:29AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
THE ORIGINAL RFP WAS PUT OUT FOR THE
DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT.

WE HAD THREE RESPONDENTS.
ONLY TWO OF WHICH SHOWED UP FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THE OVERALL BEST BIDDER FROM AN EBO STANDPOINT, FROM
EVERYTHING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS CHARLES PERRY AND
PARTNERS, INCORPORATED.
SO THEY WON THIS BID.
NOW, IT IS A GMP PROJECT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR
DESIGN-BUILD.
THEY GO OUT AND DESIGN THE RETROFIT OF THE PLAN, DESIGN THE
COMPONENTS.
THEY GO OUT AND BID WHAT IT WILL COST.
THEY TAKE THE BIDS AND THEY COMPILE THEM AND GIVE US THE
PRICING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHERE THE 17 MILLION CAME FROM.
11:50:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD APPRECIATE AND IF WE HAD TIME I
WOULD ASK YOU A LOT MORE QUESTIONS.
I WOULD APPRECIATE TRANSPARENCY AND ALL THAT FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION.
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT GAVE US AN OPINION ON THE CCNA PROCESS
FOR HANNA AVENUE.
I HAD SEVERAL OTHER ATTORNEYS OUTSIDE LOOK AT IT AND THEY
THINK IT'S BUNK.
JUST BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SQUEAK THROUGH THAT
SOMETHING IS LEGAL DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WOULD WITHSTAND

OUTSIDE SCRUTINY IN A LAWSUIT.
WE NEED TO BE NOT JUST CAREFUL ABOUT THAT TO AVOID
LITIGATION, BUT WE NEED TO BE FAIR TO THE PUBLIC TO MAKE
SURE THAT THINGS ARE WELL ADVERTISED AND THAT WE GET
MULTIPLE BIDS.
MR. ROGERO, COULD I ASK YOU ALSO, WHEN THE CITY DECIDED TO
MAKE THE DECISION TO TAKE OVER THIS PLANT, DID YOU DO A
20- OR 30-YEAR ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE COST WOULD BE?
11:51:25AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T RECALL.
11:51:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID SOMEBODY DO AN EVALUATION TO SAY THE
BOILER WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED IN FIVE YEARS?
IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.
YOU SAY THAT IT'S -- BEEN EIGHT YEARS SINCE IT'S BEEN
MODIFIED.
SO WE OWNED IT TWO OF THOSE YEARS.
HOW COME -- IF WE DID A PREVAILING, WHY DIDN'T WE PROPOSE
THIS TWO YEARS AGO?
11:51:44AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK ON THAT.
MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
11:51:48AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE
NOT PREPARED TO -- WE KNEW THE TURBINE GENERATOR HAD TO BE
OVERHAULED, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE PRICING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY MUCH TO GO ON.
THESE PROJECTS BY CITY POLICY HAVE TO GO THROUGH CAD --
CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.

AND THEY KIND OF TAKE THAT OVER BY ENTERING INTO AN
AGREEMENT WITH CHARLES PERRY.
11:52:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEFORE THEY CUT ME OFF, LET ME ASK YOU.
MR. ROGERO, DO YOU KNOW -- WHEN WE WERE FIRST TOLD ABOUT
PURE, IT WAS $300 MILLION, BUT WHEN WE ASKED FOR THE 20- OR
30-YEAR COST, IT WAS BETWEEN 2 AND 6 BILLION -- INCLUDING O
AND M AND INTEREST.
IT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THIS, BUT JUST SO THE PUBLIC
KNOWS, WHAT IS THE 20 OR 30-YEAR COST INCLUDING INTEREST AND
O AND M ON THIS ENTIRE PLANT?
11:52:51AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE HAVE TO SCALE THAT OUT STILL.
11:52:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN WE TOOK IT OVER, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT
THAT NUMBER WOULD BE.
WE MUST HAVE DONE SOME FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS ON IF WE HAD 10
MILLION IN REVENUES.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE OUR REVENUES,
CORRECT?
WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT THE SAME CAPACITY IN ELECTRICITY, BUT
WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE PLANT, NOBODY DID A PROJECTION TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TOTAL 20 OR 30-YEAR COST ON THIS WOULD
BE?
11:53:13AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T KNOW.
I'D HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
11:53:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT?
11:53:19AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I PREFER TO CIRCLE BACK, SIR.

11:53:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD TAKE OVER A PLANT
LIKE THAT IF WE HADN'T DONE AN EVALUATION ON WHAT IT WOULD
COST OVER 20 OR 30 YEARS.
THAT'S PROJECT MANAGEMENT 101.
11:53:30AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I'M NOT SAYING WE DIDN'T.
I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW.
11:53:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO IS WATCHING, PLEASE
COME UP AND LET US KNOW.
MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. CONKLIN, BUT HE SAID WE
WANT TO HAVE SUCCESS IN FIVE OR TEN YEARS, HOW WOULD WE
MEASURE SUCCESS?
I KNOW CHIEF OF STAFF IS ALL INTO MEASURES, WHICH I AGREE
WITH.
WHAT ARE THE CITY'S MEASURE OF SUCCESS?
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT SHOULD THE MEASURES OF SUCCESS BE?
11:53:58AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
THAT WOULD COME FROM OPERATIONAL STATS AND
AVOIDED COST FOR THE MOST PART.
WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THIS PLANT, THIS FACILITY BACK UP TO
INDUSTRY STANDARDS WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND INCREASE ITS
AVAILABILITY SO IT'S NOT BEING FORCED DOWN FOR PROBLEMS
WITHIN THE PLANT.
NOW, WITH OUR PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN
ELECTRICAL REVENUE THROUGH INCREASES IN ELECTRICAL
PRODUCTION.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE HUGE, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO GET

THAT TURBINE GENERATOR BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
COULD BE 3%, 4%.
HIGHER INCREASE IN EFFICIENCY ON THE TURBINE.
THE BOILERS, FOR INSTANCE, THE TUBES, SOME OF THE TUBES --
11:54:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BACK TO MY QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF
GOALS TO SAY OUR OBJECTIVES FOR THIS ARE ONE, TWO, THREE,
FOUR AND FIVE?
HERE ARE OUR GOALS FOR THIS.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE SAFETY GOAL.
ANOTHER WOULD BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL GOAL.
ANOTHER ONE MIGHT BE AN ENERGY PRODUCTION GOAL.
ANOTHER MIGHT BE A TIME IN AND OUT GOAL FOR THE TRUCKS.
DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A PERFORMANCE METRIC LIKE THAT?
11:55:16AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
I DO.
I HAVE ONE THAT SHOWS RELIABILITY OF THE FACILITY, OF THE
BOILERS, INDEPENDENTLY EACH ONE AND OVERALL.
AND I ALSO HAVE AVAILABILITY.
AVAILABILITY IS OUT OF THE AVAILABLE TIME, HOW MUCH TIME
WERE THE BOILERS UP AND RUNNING, BURNING REFUSE, PRODUCING
STEAM.
RELIABILITY ON THE OTHER HAND OUT OF ALL THE DOWNTIME ON THE
UNIT, HOW MUCH OF IT WAS FORCED COMPARED TO HOW MUCH WAS
SCHEDULED.
11:55:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS WATCHING, I WOULD
SUGGEST THAT WE GET A LIST OF VERY CLEAR GOALS FROM THE

COMMUNITY POINT OF VIEW AND POLICY POINT OF VIEW THAT ARE
KIND OF THE OVERRIDING GOALS FOR THIS FACILITY.
BECAUSE THERE IS A POLICY REASON WE'RE DOING IT.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PERFORMANCE METRICS AND SOMEHOW WE NEED
TO BRING THOSE UP TO THE TOP LEVEL.
BUT IF WE HAVE THOSE AND WE CAN SEE THEM, THE PUBLIC CAN SEE
THEM, THEN WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT INVESTMENTS
FOR THE FUTURE AND WE WOULD KNOW HOW TO MEASURE THEM.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, TO MR. ROGERO, YOU MUST HAVE AN IDEA
RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE WHAT YOU THINK THE
RATE INCREASE WILL BE.
11:56:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE DO NOT.
11:56:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO IDEA.
11:56:23AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
ANYTHING I PUT OUT THERE WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH WITHOUT VALUE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO GO --
11:56:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN ARE THOSE HEARINGS?
CAN YOU TELL US WHEN YOU HAVE HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR RATE
INCREASE?
11:56:37AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE DO NOT.
WE'VE GOT TO GET THE VENDOR.
WE'RE STUDYING A SCOPE NOW.
IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE UNTIL PROBABLY JUNE OF
NEXT YEAR.
11:56:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LAST COMMENT, I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE

PEOPLE WORKING IN THIS DEPARTMENT.
WHAT YOU ALL DO IS A MIRACLE.
I WAS TELLING THE STAFF THE OTHER DAY, BEING ABLE TO PUT OUR
BOXES OUT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND HAVE THAT STUFF TAKEN
AWAY SO EFFICIENTLY, IT'S GOT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST RUN
SANITATION DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY.
AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE HARD WORK THEY ARE
DOING.
MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT MAKING SURE WE MAKE THE RIGHT
DECISIONS AND THE PUBLIC HAS FULL TRANSPARENCY.
THANK YOU.
11:57:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:57:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S ALL BEEN ASKED, THANK YOU.
11:57:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
RAPID FIRE, PLEASE GENTLEMEN.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I HAVE MY LIST OF QUESTIONS.
RATHER QUICKLY.
LET ME GO TO MR. CONKLIN.
WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS, WE ALREADY HAVE SCRUBBERS
THAT CLEAN THE SMOKE COMING OUT OF THIS.
TAKES AWAY CARCINOGENS, TAKES AWAY THINGS WITH THE
IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS.
IS THIS TURBINE AND THESE THINGS GOING TO RUN MUCH MORE
EFFICIENTLY SO WE ACTUALLY EVEN CUT DOWN THE POLLUTION THAT
THIS INCINERATOR MAY CAUSE?
11:57:56AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
YES.

HOWEVER, WE ARE ALREADY RUNNING VERY LOW, IF I MAY.
11:58:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M LOOKING -- ALL I'M LOOKING FOR IS QUICK
ANSWERS ON THIS.
PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
PUT THAT BACK UP.
11:58:11AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
THIS SHOWS WE HAVE CONTINUOUS EMISSIONS
MONITORING ON THE PLANT THAT RUN 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A
WEEK.
AND THIS SHOWS THE RESULTS OF THE MONTH OF JULY COMPARED TO
THE LIMITS.
IF YOU LOOK WHERE IT SAYS OPACITY, OUR LIMIT IS 10%.
BUT THEN YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE MONTH/YEAR COLUMNS, YOU CAN
SEE UNIT 1.
UNIT 2, UNIT 3, UNIT 4.
NOW, OPACITY, YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 8% WITH YOUR NAKED EYE.
WE ARE BELOW 1%.
OUR LIMIT IS 10% FOR --
11:58:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE'RE DOING GREAT.
MY POINT IS WITH THIS IMPROVEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE EVEN
BETTER THAN WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE NOW.
11:58:58AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
WE BELIEVE THAT OUR EMISSIONS WILL BE
BETTER THROUGH AN INCREASE IN COMBUSTION EFFICIENCY.
IF YOU'RE BURNING CLEANER, YOU'RE BURNING BETTER, YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE REDUCED EMISSIONS.
11:59:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HELPING THE ENVIRONMENT.

MR. WASHINGTON, CATASTROPHE HITS.
11:59:15AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YES, SIR.
11:59:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST GIVE ME SOME WIDE RANGES.
THE COST THAT IT WOULD COST US TO SHIP ALL THIS RUBBISH AND
ALL THIS TRASH UP TO DADE CITY, IF DADE CITY STILL WANTS TO
TAKE IT.
11:59:31AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
EXACTLY.
GREAT POINT.
I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT AS WELL.
THE LIFE OF A LAND FILL IS LIMITED.
YOU CAN'T JUST CONTINUOUSLY PUMP WASTE INTO THE LAND FILLS.
ON AVERAGE, WE TAKE AROUND 40,000 POUNDS OF WASTE TO DADE
CITY.
NOW, IMAGINE 356,000 POUNDS TO DADE CITY.
TONS.
EXCUSE ME, TONS.
EXACTLY, TONS.
IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, POTENTIALLY THEY HAVE A LIFE SPAN OF
I BELIEVE FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S ALL
DEPENDENT ON THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND HOW MUCH THEY ARE
BRINGING TO THAT LOCATION.
12:00:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DADE CITY LOOKS AT US, SAYS, TAMPA, WE DON'T
WANT YOUR GARBAGE.
YOU ARE POLLUTING OUR GROUND.
WE DON'T WANT YOUR GARAGE.

NEXT CLOSEST PLACE?
12:00:16PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WE CAN ASK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
THEY ARE AT CAPACITY AS WELL, OR PASCO OR PINELLAS.
12:00:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE'LL JUST BE POLLUTING THEIR AREA.
12:00:23PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
TRYING TO UTILIZE THEIR FACILITIES.
12:00:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SORRY.
I'M TRYING TO HIT YOU ON THIS.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NATURAL GAS TRUCKS, HOPEFULLY ONE DAY
WE'LL GO TO ELECTRIC WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, WE'RE PUTTING
FOSSIL FUEL INTO THE AIR EACH TIME THOSE TRUCKS RUN BACK AND
FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.
12:00:42PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YOU SURE ARE.
THE C AND G STATIONS WE CURRENTLY HAVE, OUR CURRENT OUTFIT,
SO IF WE WERE GOING OUT TO PINELLAS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS,
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FILL UP OUR C AND G VEHICLES.
MAY HAVE TO SWITCH TO DIESEL VEHICLES FOR THIS OPERATION.
12:00:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THIS PLANT CLOSES DOWN, HOW MUCH STAFFING
WILL BE LOST?
12:01:00PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
LOST OR INCLUDED?
WE HAVE TO PLUS UP TO HAUL THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT IS
PRODUCED.
THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LOCATED --
12:01:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
STAFF FROM THE ATLANTA --
12:01:10PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
55 PEOPLE.
12:01:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
-- STORED IN THE REST OF WASTE MANAGEMENT.

12:01:15PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WE WOULD HOPE.
12:01:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOT GUARANTEED.
12:01:17PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
NO, NO, SIR.
12:01:21PM >>CHUCK CONKLIN:
THE PLANT EMPLOYS 55 PEOPLE, SO WE WOULD
LOSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM.
THE SKILL SET IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
IT'S HIGHLY TECHNICAL AT THE PLANT.
12:01:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. RUGGIERO.
WE'VE HEARD LOTS OF NUMBERS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
THE BROADER PICTURE IS THIS IS GOING TO HELP US
ENVIRONMENTALLY.
THIS IS GOING TO HELP FROM POLLUTING OTHER PARTS OF THE
STATE WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO DO, AND WE'RE GUARANTEEING --
HOPEFULLY GUARANTEEING JOBS WILL BE SAVED IN CASE SOMETHING
TERRIBLE HAPPENS.
12:01:58PM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
YES, SIR.
12:02:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
12:02:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY I MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
12:02:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:02:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.
I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK IN FRONT OF
THE PUBLIC, WE ARE GROWING AT AN ALARMING RATE.
IT'S A GOOD RATE, BUT IT'S STILL PRETTY ALARMING AND DOESN'T
SOUND LIKE WE'RE ADDING ANY INCINERATORS.
SO WHAT'S THE PLAN ABOUT MORE GARBAGE?

12:02:31PM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
LET ME BRING CHUCK UP.
12:02:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
I DON'T WANT TO KNOW NOW.
12:02:36PM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
12:02:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US, PLEASE LET US KNOW BECAUSE THE
AMOUNT OF GARBAGE THAT WE PRODUCE HAS GOT TO CHANGE IF WE'RE
GOING TO BRING ALL THESE NEW PEOPLE.
12:02:49PM >>SAL RUGGIERO:
THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
YES, MA'AM.
12:02:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY CLOSE.
12:02:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:02:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE MORE I SIT HERE AND THE MORE I
LISTEN, THE MORE I WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE I REMEMBER WAY BACK
WHEN ALL THE ALLEYS WERE OPEN, YOU HAD A VAN THAT WENT BY, A
TRUCK THAT WAS OPEN.
MAYBE HAD A THREE FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT BY 16 OR 20-FOOT AND
YOU HAD A DRIVER, YOU HAD TWO PUSHERS AND YOU HAD A CATCHER.
YOU HAD FOUR PEOPLE ON THE TRUCK.
IT WAS AN OPEN TRUCK.
GUESS WHAT, SMELLS.
THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
NOW THROUGH EVOLUTION AND NEW INVENTION, DIFFERENT THINGS.
NOW GAS TRUCKS.

THOSE COST IN MY ESTIMATION THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILLION
DOLLARS.
WHAT IS COMING TO YOU NOW IS A MILLION DOLLARS TRUCK BECAUSE
IT'S ELECTRIC.
EVEN IN GERMANY NOW, YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAINS THEY GOT
RUNNING, WITH HYDROGEN.
SO THESE ARE THINGS OF EVOLUTION THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THEIR GOING TO CHANGE.
IF WE KEEP GOING WHERE WE'RE GOING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY
ABOUT THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SLEEP, WALK, HANDLE THE RAIN.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE TEMPERATURE.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE NOTHING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
12:04:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE NUMBER 5, THE RESOLUTION.
12:04:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
12:04:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD I'M
SHOCKED AT THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD TODAY AND THE ONE I HAD
ON THE PHONE THE OTHER DAY.
I'M SHOCKED THAT THE STAFF AND I'M TALKING ABOUT UPPER
MANAGEMENT STAFF, SHOCKED THE LACK OF INTEREST IN BEING

TRANSPARENT AND SPENDING TIME WITH THE PUBLIC TO DISCUSS THE
ISSUES.
I'M SHOCKED THEY HIT US WITH LARGE NUMBERS AT THE LAST
MINUTE.
I'M SHOCKED THAT THEY CAN'T ANSWER BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
STRATEGY AND TAKEOVER OF THIS FACILITY.
THE QUESTIONS I ASKED ARE THE MOST BASIC QUESTIONS YOU WOULD
ASK ANYBODY OPERATING A MAJOR FACILITY AND THEY COULDN'T
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
AND SO THERE'S NO WAY I'M GOING TO VOTE TO GIVE THEM A
DOLLAR BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE FAITH IN THEIR INTEREST IN BEING
RESPECTFUL OF US AND THE PUBLIC AND I DON'T HAVE FAITH IN
THEIR ABILITY TO MANAGE THE MONEY CORRECTLY.
IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK, YOU PROBABLY WILL GET THE VOTES
TODAY, BUT IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND BE TRANSPARENT AND
RESPECTFUL OF THE PUBLIC, THEN I MAY BUILD CONFIDENCE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS BEFORE I
VOTE ON ANYTHING LARGE LIKE THIS.
THANK YOU.
12:05:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:05:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT TODAY BECAUSE I
KNOW YOU NEED MORE.
I DON'T WANT TO BASH THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT I SIT HERE AND
LISTEN, LIKE I TELL YOU, EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL HAS A
CERTAIN EXPERTISE OF THINGS.

OBVIOUSLY, MR. MIRANDA KNOWS WATER.
MR. CARLSON KNOWS WATER.
I'M NOT THE WATER GUY.
I DEAL WITH COMMUNITIES AND HOUSING.
THINGS LIKE THAT.
NOT A SOLID WASTE GUY, BUT I HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
GARBAGE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PLANT TO MAKE IT WORK
FOR THE CITIZENS.
BUT HE'S RIGHT.
SOME BASIC QUESTIONS HE DID ASK AND WHEN I TALKED ABOUT FOR
MAINTENANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT, COULDN'T HAVE THE ANSWERS
FOR.
I THINK WHEN WITH YOU COME BACK AND IN THE FUTURE, OTHER
STAFF MEMBERS, YOU NEED TO COME MORE PREPARED ON THE BASIC
ANSWERS BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT.
SOME THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEAD OF
WHAT'S THE LONG-TERM GOAL, PLANS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF
THOSE.
I'M HOPING IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THESE ITEMS
THAT WE WILL HAVE THE PLAN, HAVE THE BASIC ANSWERS SO WE
WON'T GET IN THESE KIND OF SQUABBLES I CALL THEM OF THE
ADMINISTRATION -- SOMEONE MAKING FEEL BAD OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
COUNCIL HAS TO ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S OUR JOB.

WHETHER ANYBODY LIKES IT OR NOT, WHEN THE PUBLIC TELLS US
WHAT THEY WANT OR ASK FOR WHAT THEY WANT, ADMINISTRATION MAY
NOT LIKE IT BUT WE HAVE TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.
IT'S THEIR MONEY.
I'LL SUPPORT IT TODAY NUMBER 5.
I'M HOPING THAT THE REST WHEN IT COMES BACK THAT WE'RE A
LITTLE MORE DETAILED TO WHAT WE HAVE TO GET OUT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
12:06:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:06:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M ALSO GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TODAY, BUT I
ALSO AGREE WITH MY TWO COLLEAGUES THAT THIS IS INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE TYPES OF ANSWERS.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT BOTH 5 AND 6 BECAUSE THEY ARE BASICALLY
INTERTWINED.
BUT I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO KNOW THESE MORE BASIC QUESTIONS,
THE ANSWERS, SO WE CAN ANSWER OUR CONSTITUENTS.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES IS RIGHT.
WE ALL HAVE OUR SPECIALTIES, AND THIS IS NOT MY SPECIALTY.
I DEFINITELY NEED TO BE TAUGHT.
I WANT THE BASIC, AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON PUT IT,
KINDERGARTEN-LIKE INTRODUCTION.
GIVE US LOTS OF PICTURES.
GIVE US LOTS OF NUMBERS.
JUST HELP US ABSORB IT SO WE CAN EXPLAIN IT TO OTHERS
BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE DO.

WE'RE TEACHERS.
YOU ALL ARE TEACHING US AND WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND TEACH THE
COMMUNITY.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, THEN WE
CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT IS A REALLY GOOD POINT.
I ALREADY SUPPORTING THIS TODAY.
BUT, YES, WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
12:08:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:08:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:08:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:08:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:08:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:08:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:08:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:08:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:08:25PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
12:08:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL ON AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 6?
12:08:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 6.
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:08:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY DISCUSSION?

ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:08:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:08:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:08:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:08:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:08:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:08:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:08:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:08:57PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
VOTING NO.
12:09:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL ON AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 7?
12:09:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 7.
12:09:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
12:09:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, REAL QUICK.
WHAT I WANTED TO MENTION EARLIER, LOOKING AT THE BIGGER
PICTURE AND MOVING THE FACILITY FROM SPRUCE OVER TO YBOR
CITY, ADAMO, 34th, WHAT IS THAT, 18 ACRES OF LAND THAT
WILL BE FREED UP?
12:09:30PM >> 17.5.
12:09:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES, THAT'S OUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S CITY-OWNED, IN THE HEART OF MY DISTRICT, GIVE OR

TAKE.
IT'S IN A VERY BUSY AREA.
CARVER CITY, LINCOLN GARDENS, WESTSHORE AREA.
WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE, NOT TO SELL IT, BUT TO
KEEP IT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION AND DO SOMETHING EVEN MORE
BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY ON TOP OF WHAT WAS MENTIONED
EARLIER.
THANK YOU FOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR BRINGING THIS UP.
THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN DEALING WITH HAVING ALL THAT
THERE.
NOW THE SKY IS THE LIMIT.
18 ACRES IS A LOT.
WE SEE MIDTOWN RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
I KNOW IT'S A BIGGER PARCEL BUT WE SEE WHAT WAS DEVELOPED
THERE, BUT WHAT WE COULD USE AS CITY PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN THIS $220 MILLION MASTER
PLAN.
BUT THAT WAS IT.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
ALREADY DID.
12:10:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:10:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MISSED THAT IN MY THOUGHT, BUT
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT IT UP.
I SEE MS. TRAVIS IN THE AUDIENCE.

I'M HOPING THAT THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE HAPPENING WITH HER
BECAUSE I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY LAND SALE THAT DOES NOT HAVE
A ROBUST PLAN FOR LINCOLN GARDENS, CARVER CITY AND
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT REAL, REAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HELP
PEOPLE.
NOT TALKING ABOUT LUXURY APARTMENT.
NOT TALKING ABOUT LUXURY TOWNHOMES.
MIXED USE.
MAKING SURE ANYBODY BECAUSE THAT IS CITY PROPERTY.
WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
THAT IS CITY PROPERTY, AND I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT
IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION WE'RE
DEAL WITH IN THE CITY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:11:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:11:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:11:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:11:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:11:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:11:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:11:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:11:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:11:32PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON

VOTING NO.
12:11:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SINCE THEY ARE UNDER
YOUR COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 69 AND 70?
12:11:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
I MOVE 69 AND 70.
12:11:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
12:11:51PM >> AYE.
12:11:56PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
12:11:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A QUICK MOTION BEFORE THEY LEAVE?
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO RETURN TO THE
WORKSHOP ON OCTOBER 27th TO TALK ABOUT THE 30-YEAR PLAN
AND POLICY OBJECTIVES OF THIS INCINERATOR.
12:12:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
THAT'S FAIR.
AND I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES, AS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
SAID, THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW.
THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
$251 MILLION WAS THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT IN 2016.
THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION.
I THINK THIS CLEARLY MERITS THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE
GOING TO BE RATE INCREASES, WHATEVER, I WANT COMPLETE
CLARITY, AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR TEAM, AND I TOTALLY
SUPPORT THAT.

YES, SIR.
12:12:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
12:12:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK, THERE ARE A
COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT I SEE, I THINK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AND
THE WESTSHORE, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THEM TALK ABOUT THE THINGS,
YEARLY ITEM, SO WE CAN GET THEM GOING TO GO BACK TO THEIR
BUSINESSES.
12:13:05PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THOSE OUT OF ORDER, YOU
CAN.
THOSE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE SPECIFIC
PUBLIC HEARING.
12:13:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING
REGARDING WESTSHORE --
12:13:17PM >> DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT.
12:13:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DOWNTOWN WESTSHORE.
ALL THE ONES PERTAINING TO THE SPECIAL TAXING.
12:13:26PM >> 101, 102, 103, 104.
12:13:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S START WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 101.
12:13:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN 101 THROUGH 106.
12:13:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. BHIDE.
12:13:56PM >>VIK BHIDE:
GOOD MORNING CHAIR, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.

VIK BHIDE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
HERE TO DISCUSS ITEMS 101 AND 102.
THESE ARE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT ROLLS FOR THE STORMWATER SERVICE
AND IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT IS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER
SYSTEM ACROSS THE CITY.
THIS INCLUDES DITCH MAINTENANCE, OUTFALL MAINTENANCE, AND
VARIOUS OTHER ASPECTS.
THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS RELATED TO OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM
FOR WHICH WE DO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY REPORT OF OUR CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WITH STORMWATER AND WE HAVE SEVERAL
LARGE STORMWATER PROJECTS GOING ON AROUND THE CITY.
THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS RIGHT BEFORE BUDGET APPROVAL, AND
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
12:14:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE?
12:14:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
VERY QUICKLY.
I KNOW I HAD A DISCUSSION, VERY WELL CONVERSATION REGARDING
THESE TYPE OF TAXES AND SO FORTH.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT ONCE WE PASS SOMETHING HERE
IN CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S NOT A CHECK AND BALANCE AS TO WHAT
HAPPENS TO THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING REGARDING HOW MUCH
PAYMENT OR HOW MUCH PAVERS.
IT'S PASSED TODAY, BUT TOMORROW, WHEN THEE PAVERS GO ON AND

HE AGREED, I BELIEVE I DID, IN THEORY, THAT THEY DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A PERMIT, THEY GIVE THE PERMIT.
HOWEVER, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND I DO SOMETHING WRONG, THE
FELLOW WHO I SELL THE HOUSE TO, HE MAY BE THE ONE TO GET
TICKETED FOR SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.
IN THAT SPIRIT OF CONVERSATION OF MAKING AND HELPING
EVERYONE BECAUSE THESE THINGS NOW ARE MUCH MORE BEING DONE
THAN BEFORE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY THAT ONCE WE PASS
SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR SOMETHING TO DO WITH A SWALE NEXT TO
A HOUSE, THAT IS PUT ON THE DOCKET SO WHEN THEY RECORD IT,
THEY GO TO GET THEIR PERMIT DONE, IT'S RECORDED IN THE
COUNTY WHAT WE PASSED.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, THE SWALE GETS COVERED AND
SOMEBODY ELSE FLOODS.
IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THE SIDEWALK IS THERE MAYBE, BUT THEN
THE PAVERS THAT GO OUT OR THE CONCRETE OUT TO THE STREET
THEY ARE PAYING VERY LITTLE WHEN THEY SHOULD BE PAYING A LOT
MORE.
THE REST OF US ARE SUBSIDIZING SOMEONE ELSE AND WHAT THEY'VE
DONE.
UH-OH, NOW WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE.
VERY WELL GOOD ATTORNEY.
12:16:38PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
ITEM 101 IS --

12:16:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GIVE US YOUR NAME.
12:16:43PM >> McLANE EVANS, ISN'T CITY ATTORNEY.
ITEM 101 IS THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT ROLL.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE PUBLIC COMMENT MUST BE HEARD.
WE RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF OBJECTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
PLEASE RECEIVE AND FILE THOSE FOR THIS HEARING.
12:17:04PM >> SO MOVED.
12:17:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
12:17:13PM >> THOSE ARE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW IN
SIRE.
MAY I REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT IN THESE NON-AD VALOREM
ASSESSMENT HEARINGS, THE VOTE MUST TAKE PLACE WHILE THE
HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
I BELIEVE THE DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY, VIK BHIDE IS AVAILABLE
BY CMT AND I'M ALSO HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
12:17:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
ITEM 101, FILE NUMBER E2022-8 CHAPTER 21?
12:17:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:17:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:18:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:18:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:18:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:18:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:18:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:18:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:18:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:18:10PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:18:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 102, FILE NUMBER E2022-8, CHAPTER 21.
12:18:21PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
FOR THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT ROLL.
WE RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF OBJECTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
PLEASE RECEIVE AND FILE THAT.
12:18:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
12:18:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
12:18:45PM >> AGAIN, IF I COULD REMIND YOU THAT THE VOTE HAS TO TAKE
PLACE WHILE THE HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
12:18:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR MR. BHIDE?

IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT?
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 102?
12:19:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:19:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:19:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:19:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:19:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:19:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:19:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:19:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:19:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:19:21PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:19:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MASSEY, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING.
12:19:24PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
NO, NO.
JUST WAITING FOR 103.
12:19:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 103, FILE NUMBER E2022-8,
CHAPTER 24.
12:19:36PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THIS IS THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
THAT'S PASSED EVERY YEAR TO SUPPORT THE OPERATION OF THE
STREETCAR SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
I THINK MR. ENGLISH IS ONLINE TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALL.
AS WITH THE OTHER SPECIAL ASSESSMENT HEARINGS, YOU MUST
CONSIDER AND VOTE ON THIS WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL

OPEN.
12:19:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. ENGLISH, ARE YOU THERE?
12:19:59PM >> YES, I AM.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AS I'VE BEEN DOING FOR
20 YEARS, FOR THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT TO SUPPORT THE
OPERATIONS OF THE STREETCAR SYSTEM.
THIS ASSESSMENT IS REALLY ACCOUNTS FOR WELL OVER 30% OF THE
STREETCAR'S BUDGET.
I ASSUME YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD YEAR THIS YEAR
CARRYING NEARLY A MILLION PEOPLE.
OUR BUDGET NEXT YEAR IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THIS YEAR'S TO
ADD SERVICE, WE ARE ADDING CONDUCTORS AND WE ARE INCREASING
HEADWAYS, WHICH MEANS THE AMOUNT OF TIME IS TAKES FOR THE
STREETCAR TO ARRIVE AT A STATION FROM 15 MINUTES, WHICH IS
OUR NEW STANDARD, TO 12 MINUTES DURING PEAK HOURS.
WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR PERFORMANCE IN THE PAST YEAR AND WE
WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE COMING YEAR.
12:20:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:20:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
I'VE BEEN VOCAL IN SUPPORT OF THE STREETCAR.
I LOOK FORWARD TO ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION PASSING SO WE CAN
HAVE A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE TO HELP EXPAND THE STREETCAR
INTO TAMPA HEIGHTS AND BEYOND.

MR. ENGLISH ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A MILLION PEOPLE RIDING.
WE'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS GO UP, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GRANT THAT
WE RECEIVED FROM F.D.O.T. IN ALLOWING US TO OPERATE THE
STREETCAR AND OFFER NO FARES.
THAT'S ENCOURAGED PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE NOT USUALLY RIDDEN
THE STREETCAR OR A NEW POPULATION TO START USING IT.
AS PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN USED TO USING IT I THINK WE'LL SEE
CONTINUED SUCCESS ONCE AFT PASSES AND ABLE TO EXPAND THIS
FORWARD.
I KNOW THE MAYOR TALKS ABOUT TAKING IT TO PALM AVENUE.
WE HAD A ROBUST STREETCAR SYSTEM UNTIL 1946.
I HOPE OVER THE YEARS WE CONTINUE EXPANDING THAT TO CONTINUE
SERVING THE COMMUNITY.
12:21:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:22:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ECHO THAT.
AS SOMEONE WHO RIDES THE STREETCAR AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, I
AM THRILLED ABOUT THIS NEW PLAN TO RUN EVERY 12 MINUTES
INSTEAD OF 15.
IT WILL ACTUALLY REALLY HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I AM CONSTANTLY AMAZED AT THE NUMBER OF RIDERS AND THE TYPES
OF RIDERS.
I TALK TO TOURISTS ALL THE TIME WHEN I'M ON THERE.
I TALK TO PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE CITY.
I TALK TO -- YESTERDAY I RODE THE STREETCAR WITH FOLKS WHO
WERE LEAVING THEIR NURSING SCHOOL FROM THE NEW USF HEALTH

SPACE.
IT REALLY HAS CHANGED THE CITY.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT PASSING ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION WOULD
ADD TO THAT SUPPORT OF THE STREETCAR SYSTEM.
12:22:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:22:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO APPROVE THIS IN MY VOTE.
WHEN I WAS A YOUNG KID ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I USED TO RIDE
THAT STREETCAR FOR A NICKEL.
IT HAD 50 SOME MILES OF IT.
WENT FROM BALLAST POINT TO LINEBAUGH AND FLORIDA AVENUE.
NOT ONLY TO MENTION HYDE PARK, YBOR CITY, EAST TAMPA, ALL
OVER.
AND THE PROBLEM WAS IN THE '50s, GENERAL MOTORS CAME UP
WITH BUSES AND SAID WE WERE IDIOTS TO HAVE A STREETCAR, WE
SHOULD GO TO BUSINESSES.
WE DID AND WE WERE IDIOTS.
NOW WE DON'T HAVE A STREETCAR TO SPEAK OF OTHER THAN WHAT WE
HAVE NOW AND THAT WAS PUT IN BY THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION WHO
ALSO RODE THE STREETCAR FOR A NICKEL BUT HE WAS MUCH OLDER
THAN I WAS.
IT'S A COMPLIMENT, MR. GRECO.
THAT WAS DONE BY THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION.
RON ROTELLA AND THE REST OF THEM TRIED TO GET IT THROUGH.
I THINK WHEN WE VOTED ON IT, I BELIEVE THE COST WAS 11

MILLION.
I'M NOT SURE OF THAT.
BUT IF YOU DO THAT TODAY, WHAT WOULD THE COST BE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A NICE DAY, SIR.
12:23:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:24:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:24:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:24:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:24:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:24:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:24:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:24:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:24:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:24:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:24:23PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:24:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MR. MASSEY.
12:24:28PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ITEM 104 IS THE ANNUAL NON-AD VALOREM
ASSESSMENT TO SUPPORT THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL SERVICES
DISTRICT.
I THINK MS. LYNDA REMUND FROM THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP IS

HERE TO PRESENT.
NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT TO SUPPORT SPECIAL SERVICES IN THE
DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE AREAS PRIMARILY.
12:24:55PM >> LYNDA REMUND WITH THE TAMPA BAY DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP,
PRESIDENT AND CEO.
OFFICES LOCATE AT 400 NORTH ASHLEY STREET, SUITE 1010.
COUNCILMEN, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US
TODAY.
I AM HERE TO ASK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE NON-AD VALOREM
FOR THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ENHANCED
SERVICES REGARDING BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, MARKETING,
MAINTENANCE, SAFETY, BEAUTIFICATION PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN,
TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND RELATED ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1994 FOR THE
SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICT, AND THAT ASSESSMENT RATE IS SET
AT 1.0285 PER THOUSAND DOLLARS OF ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUES,
WHICH IS EXPECTED TO RAISE ABOUT 4.6 MILLION FOR THIS NEXT
YEAR.
SO I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION OF THAT SO WE
CAN CONTINUE SERVICES AND THE ADOPTION OF THE SPECIAL
SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
THANK YOU.
12:25:58PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE YOU ALL DISCUSS AND MOVE ON THIS
ITEM, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION THAT IS ON FILE IN

SIRE.
I THINK YOU ALL RECEIVED.
IF YOU CAN MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE THAT LETTER.
12:26:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
12:26:17PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SECONDLY, IT'S NOT ONLY THE AD VALOREM
ROLL, BUT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP DOES ADMINISTER
THOSE FUNDS AND THOSE SPECIAL SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
PURSUANT TO THAT AGREEMENT.
12:26:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:26:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND YOUR
WHOLE STAFF FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
DOWNTOWN COULDN'T BE ANY CLEANER.
YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
EVERYWHERE YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE INDIVIDUALS WEARING THEIR
SHIRTS, WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO.
EVEN SEE SOME HELPING START THE CARS.
PLEASANT TO THE EYE.
BIG BOWS THAT YOU PUT UP ARE FANTASTIC.
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LEFT OVER, SOME
PLANTS, MORE VISUAL TO THE EYE THE STREETLIGHTS WOULD BE AN

ADDITION THAT IS VERY PLEASANT TO THE AYE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
12:27:10PM >>LYNDA REMUND:
THANK YOU.
12:27:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:27:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE FIRST RESOLUTION --
12:27:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:27:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:27:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:27:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:27:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:27:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:27:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:27:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:27:35PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:27:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION FOR THE
SPECIAL ASSESSMENT SERVICES AGREEMENT.
12:27:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:27:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:27:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:27:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:27:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:27:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:27:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:27:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:27:59PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:28:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 105, FILE E2022-8, CHAPTER 24.
12:28:11PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MR. CHAIR, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO
CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL
FOR A SPECIAL SERVICES WITHIN THE WESTSHORE AREA OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
THERE'S ALSO A RESOLUTION, COMPANION RESOLUTION APPROVING AN
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE WESTSHORE
ALLIANCE TO RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS AND ADMINISTER THOSE FUNDS
AND SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
I THINK MR. MICHAEL MORENO IS HERE FROM THE WESTSHORE
ALLIANCE TO PRESENT.
12:28:37PM >> YES.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M MICHAEL MORENO.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
WE ARE SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT TODAY TO RENEW THE SPECIAL
SERVICES DISTRICT IN THE WESTSHORE DISTRICT.
THE RATE IS NOT CHANGING.
AND THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT WILL BE $792,000, ROUGHLY

THEREABOUTS.
THE FUNDS GO FOR TRANSPORTATION, MARKETING, SAFETY AND
SECURITY PROGRAMS, AND IF NOT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS.
OTHERWISE, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU TO IMPROVE THE
WESTSHORE DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:29:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORENO?
12:29:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
YOU SET THE TONE WHEN YOU WERE AN AIDE AND NOW WE'RE AIDES
TO YOU.
12:29:20PM >> YES, THE DISTRICT 7 ASSOCIATION THANKS YOU FOR YOUR
SUPPORT.
12:29:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. MORENO TOOK ME ON A TOUR OF THE WESTSHORE
ALLIANCE JUST RECENTLY.
IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE ALL THE THINGS THAT THE ALLIANCE
IS DOING.
THE PLANS THEY HAVE.
SO I SUPPORT THIS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF WHAT
THE ALLIANCE CAN HELP ACCOMPLISH THROUGH THEIR DISTRICT.
12:29:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:29:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION, THE FIRST ONE FOR
THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT.
12:29:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:30:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:30:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:30:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:30:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:30:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:30:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:30:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:30:09PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:30:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION.
12:30:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
12:30:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:30:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:30:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:30:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:30:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:30:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:30:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:30:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:30:34PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:30:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AGENDA ITEM 106, FILE NUMBER E2022-8, CHAPTER 24.
12:30:54PM >> GOOD MORNING.
REBECCA JOHNS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION INITIATED SPECIAL ASSESSMENT
APPLICATION TO PAY FOR STREETLIGHTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF
POST TOPS ON WEST SPANISH MAIN NEIGHBORHOOD.
PROPOSED ASSESSMENT FOR 2022, $2.14 PER LOT WHICH WOULD
GENERATE A TOTAL OF $72.76 TOTAL REVENUE FOR 2023.
THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR 2023 WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF $55.75
PER LOT.
THIS ASSESSMENT WOULD CONTINUE FOR 20 YEARS.
THE RESOLUTION PRESENTED TO YOU ALSO APPROVES THE REQUIRED
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE TAX COLLECTOR FOR
SERVICES REGARDING -- RELATING TO THE ASSESSMENT AND JUST A
REMINDER THAT YOUR VOTE NEEDS TO ALSO OCCUR DURING THE
PUBLIC HEARING.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
12:31:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 106?
12:31:56PM >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:32:01PM >> SECOND THE RESOLUTION.
12:32:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. BHIDE, ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO
THIS?
12:32:14PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THIS IS A ROUTINE ASSESSMENT.

ANYTIME WE HAVE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION REQUIRING
STREETLIGHTS WE COME TO COUNCIL.
12:32:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:32:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:32:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:32:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:32:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:32:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:32:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:32:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:32:40PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
12:32:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE HEARING 107.
12:32:47PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK WE OPENED THROUGH 106.
IF YOU WANT TO OPEN 107 AS WELL, WE CAN.
I THINK THE CLERK WANTED A QUICK MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS WE OPENED.
12:32:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE 101 THROUGH 106.
12:32:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ARE WE HEARING 107?

NO.
OKAY.
12:33:10PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE CAN GO TO 107 IF YOU WANT.
I CAN PRESENT ON 107 IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT OR GO BACK TO
YOUR REGULAR STAFF PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
12:33:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LUNCH.
SO DO WE WANT TO HEAR 107 NOW WHILE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY?
OKAY.
LET'S HEAR ITEM AGENDA 107.
CRA 22-76121.
I THINK MS. TRAVIS IS SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT NOW.
WAIT UNTIL WE COME BACK FROM LUNCH.
12:33:44PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
PRETTY SIMPLE.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE LONG.
12:33:48PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS ACTION YOU HAVE
SEEN AT YOUR CRA -- NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR OF
DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND YOUR INTERIM CRA
DIRECTOR.
YOU HEARD -- YOU TOOK THIS UP AT YOUR CRA RECENTLY AT YOUR
CRA MEETING.
THIS IS REALLY THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS
TO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA THAT WOULD AMEND OR RESTATE OR
SUPERSEDE THE EXISTING CRA PLAN.
12:34:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MS. TRAVIS?
12:34:23PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO YOU SHOULD ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
12:34:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS GOING TO DO THAT NEXT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 107?
12:34:31PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:34:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:34:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
12:34:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:34:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:34:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:34:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:34:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:34:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:34:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:34:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:34:54PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:34:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT IS NOW 12:35.
COUNCIL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK AT 1:30 OR 2:00?
2:00.
WE ARE IN RECESS.

[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
2:01:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL.
ROLL CALL.
2:03:10PM >>THE CLERK:
CARLSON?
VIERA?
MANISCALCO?
2:03:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
2:03:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
2:03:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
2:03:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
2:03:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
2:03:24PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:03:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO PICK UP RIGHT WHERE WE LEFT OFF WITH
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
FILE NUMBER T-22-76514.
MR. BHIDE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR VOLUME ON.
2:03:51PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ARE YOU HEARING ME?
2:03:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, YOU ARE GOOD NOW.
2:04:00PM >>VIK BHIDE:
OKAY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, HERE TO ADDRESS
ITEM NUMBER 8.
ITEM 76514, FOR CONSULTANT SERVICES, AND A TOTAL AMOUNT OF

$15 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS, WITH THREE UP TO $5 MILLION PER
CONSULTANT FEE.
THIS IS AN AS-NEEDED PROJECT SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PROJECT
WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY.
A QUICK BACKGROUND.
WE AVERAGE ABOUT $3 MILLION IN CONSULTING SERVICES RIGHT
NOW, SO OVER FIVE YEARS, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT
BUDGET.
HOWEVER, THIS CONTRACT IS BEING PUT TOGETHER IN PREPARATION
FOR AN INCREASED WORKLOAD SHOULD WE RECEIVE OR SHOULD WE BE
FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO RECEIVE FEDERAL GRANTS, MANY OF WHICH WE
APPLIED FOR, AND ANY OTHER LOCAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR
THE COMING.
WE DO HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED OF ABOUT $3 MILLION, 3.2
MILLION, FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS, SO THIS CONTRACT WILL BE
UTILIZED IMMEDIATELY.
ONE HIGHLIGHT OF THIS CONTRACT IS OUR SUCCESS, AND KUDOS TO
DANNY AND OUR TEAM AND GREG AND EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTED THIS,
IS OUR MINORITY AND SMALL BUSINESS PARTICIPATION.
SO TYPICALLY, PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE ARE USUALLY MORE
AVAILABLE FOR LARGER CONSULTING FIRMS.
HOWEVER, WE DELIBERATELY SCORED THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT
SMALL LOCAL MINORITY BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO BECOME THE PRIME CONTRACTOR AND BRING IN ADDITIONAL SUBS
AS NEEDED TO AUGMENT THEIR SERVICES.

AS A RESULT OF THREE CONSULTANTS SELECTED, ALFKA, A LOCAL IF
I AM, WHICH WE WORK WITH ALL THE TIME, THE ENGINEERING
GROUP, ELEMENT ENGINEERING GROUP, AND BRINDLEY PETERS AND
ASSOCIATES, A BLACK ENTERPRISE, AND BY THEIR SUB
CONSULTANTS, KEEPING TO THE FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT SMALL AND
LOCAL TOO OUR COMMUNITY.
AT THIS TIME I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
2:06:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:06:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT IS WONDERFUL.
I LOVE THE WAY YOU ARE FOCUSING ON MINORITY CONTRACTS TO
WORK AS THE UMBRELLA CONTRACTOR AND PULLING IN SMALL.
I KNOW THEY MAKE (ACCELA) EXCESS FOR ACTUALLY BEING THAT
UMBRELLA GROUP AND I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL THAT WE ARE
WORKING AS A CITY TO DEVELOP THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.
BUT SECOND, I AM GOING TO SAY IT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SAY IT,
THAT THIS WILL HELP -- IF THAT ALL-FOR-TRANSPORTATION MONEY
HAPPENS, THIS IS WHAT THAT MONEY WILL GO TO, VISION ZERO,
SIDEWALKS, NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT, THINGS THAT OUR
COMMUNITY IS BEGGING FOR.
SO I ABSOLUTELY WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO THE DESIGNS THAT THIS TEAM COMES UP WITH.
2:07:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.

2:07:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:07:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:07:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:07:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:07:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:07:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:07:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:07:59PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:08:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. BHIDE, ARE YOU LEAVING US OR ARE YOU
GOING TO STICK WITH US FOR A SECOND OR TWO?
2:08:07PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I AM GOING TO STICK WITH YOU.
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
2:08:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THINK MS. JORGENSEN DESERVES A LITTLE
RECOGNITION.
WOULD YOU MIND TELLING COUNCIL SINCE WE BROUGHT UP HER NAME?
2:08:20PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ABSOLUTELY.
AND THIS IS VERY, VERY WELL DESERVED.
IT COMPLETELY CHANGES HOW WE BRAND, HOW WE DO PRODUCTION,
AND HOW WE ROLL OUT PROJECTS.
SHE'S A PIONEER IN THIS AREA, AND WHICH IS WHY SHE IS
GETTING THE MUCH DESERVED RECOGNITION OF BEING ON THE
BUSINESS JOURNALS FOR CONSIDERATION, AND WE COULDN'T BE MORE
THRILLED TO HAVE HER BE RECOGNIZED THE WAY SHE IS.
2:08:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
2:08:53PM >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
2:08:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT'S MY PLEASURE.
THE WORK THAT DANNY HAS DONE OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN
PHENOMENAL ESPECIALLY WITH VISION ZERO.
SO DANNY, CONGRATULATIONS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, FILE T-22-76676.
2:09:12PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES, SIR, ABSOLUTELY, CHAIR.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 76676 HAS MADE IT TO A SECURITY CONTRACT.
THIS IS THE REPLACEMENT FOR THE ALLIED SECURITY CONTRACT,
AND THE CONTRACTORS SELECTED FOR THIS PROCUREMENT IS
CENTURION SECURITY GROUP.
IT'S A MINORITY-OWNED ENTERPRISE, AND THEY ARE WORKING RIGHT
NOW WITH GREG HART'S OFFICE TO GET THAT MINORITY
CERTIFICATION.
THE CONTRACT IS ABOUT 5.44 MILLION OVER TWO YEARS, AND THIS
CONTRACT WAS BEING INITIATED BY THE LOCAL MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT AND USED FOR SECURITY SERVICES BY VARIOUS
DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING OUR PARKING DIVISION.
BUT THIS IS AN ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR THE FACILITY, SOLID
WASTE, TPD, PARKS, AND MANY ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM MANAGEMENT
AS WELL.
SO MANY DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATE IN THIS CONTRACT, EVEN
THOUGH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT INITIATES IT.
ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS CONTRACT WAS OUR VERY VALUABLE

SECURITY STAFF THAT CURRENTLY SERVE US UNDER THE ALLIED
CONTRACT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE UNDER CENTURION AS
PART OF THIS CONTRACT.
SO WE ARE ABLE TO REGAIN A LOT OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, AND THEY
BRING WITH THEM THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH
US, AND IF YOU READ THE MEMO THAT I SUBMITTED, IT DOES SHOW
THAT A MAJORITY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE MINORITIES.
SO, AGAIN, THROUGH THIS CONTRACT, OUR FOCUS IS ALWAYS TO
TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE WITHIN THE CITY.
2:11:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE?
2:11:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
2:11:19PM >> SECOND.
2:11:20PM >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:11:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:11:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:11:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:11:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:11:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:11:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:11:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:11:36PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:11:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.

FILE NUMBER PRC-22-76700.
2:11:48PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE] THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS AN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND GENERAL FACILITY CARE LLC.
THEY PROVIDE JANITORIAL SERVICES FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER
AS WELL AS CALL IT THE -- WHEN THEY SET UP THE TABLES AND
THAT CONTRACT IS FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD, AND THERE ARE THREE
ONE-YEAR RENEWALS.
THIS IS A TAMPA-GROWN COMPANY, AND IT IS 100% MINORITY OWNED
BUSINESS.
AND SO THE CONTRACT IS FOR TWO YEARS, ABOUT 2.6 MILLION PER
YEAR.
WE BUDGETED FOR 3.2 MILLION SO IT ACTUALLY CAME IN UNDER
WHAT WE PROJECTED FOR THIS ITEM.
I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
2:12:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:12:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DID YOU SAY INTERIM DIRECTOR?
COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN?
2:12:54PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
ADMINISTRATOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
OPPORTUNITY, YOUR INTERNATIONAL CON SERVICE CENTER DIRECTOR.
2:13:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU JUST BLOW IT OUT OF THE PARK REGARDLESS
OF WHAT YOU DO.
I HOPE YOU FIND SOMEONE.
2:13:12PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE ARE.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF --

2:13:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD TO ASK.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE.
2:13:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:13:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WAS ONE QUESTION.
KNOWING THAT YOU ARE A ROCK STAR, BUT IT'S CONCERNING,
THOUGH, BECAUSE A LOT OF JOBS THAT YOU ARE DOING.
2:13:31PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I HAVE A GREAT TEAM.
2:13:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.
I THOUGHT WE JUST DID A CONTRACT FOR JANITORIAL SERVICE.
2:13:38PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
NOT FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES.
THE CONTRACT WAS FOR SECURITY.
SO THEY COME UP AROUND THE SAME TIME.
WE JUST NEGOTIATED.
WE PUT OUT THE RFP.
ALLIED CAME TO YOU PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
WE PUT OUT THAT RFP AND NOW WE HAVE I THINK IT'S CALLED
SURETY SECURITY TEAM.
SO THIS IS A JANITORIAL CONTRACT.
THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES EXPIRED.
2:14:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE THERE
WAS ANOTHER GROUP, WITH ISSUES BACK IN THAT TIME.
2:14:13PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YES.
THAT CONTRACT EXPIRED.
WE PUT OUT -- AND WE PUT OUT A NEW RFP WITH BOTH THE
SECURITY AND THE JANITORIAL SERVICES.

WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IN OUR CONTRACT EMPLOYEES THAT
THEY ARE PAID A LIVING WAGE, AND THE CITY PAYS $15 AN HOUR.
ONE.
REASONS WE WENT BACK OUT FOR NEGOTIATIONS IS BECAUSE WE WERE
TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE FRONT-LINE CONTRACT PROVIDERS ARE
GETTING $15 AN HOUR.
THAT IS SECURITY IN THIS CONTRACT THAT THEY WILL EARN A
MINIMUM WAGE AND PAY THEM MORE OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
SO ALL OF THAT, THAT'S PART WHY WE WENT BACK OUT FOR BID, IS
TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS --
2:15:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION.
SINCE YOU SAID THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ASSURANCE IS
IN THAT, THAT WE KNOW THEY ARE GIVING THE EMPLOYEES $15 AN
HOUR.
2:15:17PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE MADE SURE THAT WAS PART OF OUR
AGREEMENT WITH THEM, AND IT WAS ALSO -- THIS IS SUPER
TECHNICAL -- ALSO YOU HAVE THE FRONT LINE WORKERS AND THE
SUPERVISORS AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER LAYER.
SO WE DID SOME CHANGES WITH THE CONTRACT THAT WE DON'T NEED
TWO LEVELS OF SUPERVISORS, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP COSTS DOWN
AND MAKE SURE THE FRONT LINE EMPLOYEES GET APPROPRIATELY
PAID AND NOT HAVE SO MUCH HIERARCHY WITHIN THE CONTRACT.
IT'S A GOOD CONTRACT.
WE ARE HAPPY TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL.
2:15:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

2:15:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE IS, THIS COUNCIL HAS PUSHED FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS,
I THINK ALL OF US, FOR MORE MINORITY PARTICIPATION
CONTRACTS, AND IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HEAR THAT SOME OF THESE
ARE HAPPENING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A SEA CHANGE TOOK THREE YEARS OR
SOMEBODY FINALLY LISTENED, BUT THANKS TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED
IN THAT.
AND IN PARTICULAR, EVEN THOUGH ALL OF US WAS PUSHING FOR IT,
GUDES AND FORMER COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER WERE BRINGING IT
UP ALMOST EVERY SINGLE MEETING SO I'M GLAD THAT IT SEEMS TO
BE FINALLY PAYING OFF.
THE SECOND THING IS THAT YOU ARE DOING THREE JOBS, AND YOU
JUST GOT THIS INTERIM JOB AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, AND TO
MY COLLEAGUES, SHE'S RATTLING OFF DETAILS ABOUT HOW MUCH
PEOPLE ARE EARNING ON CONTRACTS AT THE CONVENTION CENTER
WHICH SHE HASN'T BEEN IN CHARGE OF VERY LONG.
COMPARE THAT TO THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD ABOUT PURE AND THIS
MORNING ABOUT THE INCINERATOR.
I WOULD ASK THE MAYOR, PLEASE GET PEOPLE LIKE THIS TO RUN
THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING THESE
DEPARTMENTS FOR A LONG TIME CAN'T ANSWER BASIC QUESTIONS.
AND WHEN YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IN MINUTIA ABOUT SOMETHING
YOU JUST TOOK OVER, AND YOU JUST TOOK OVER YOUR BASIC JOB A

FEW MONTHS AGO.
THANK YOU FOR BEING A TOP PLAYER AND I HOPE ALL THE OTHER
DEPARTMENTS WILL COME UP TO THIS LEVEL.
THANK YOU.
2:17:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
2:17:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT, MR.
CARLSON.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
I MIGHT LIVE DANGEROUSLY BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ARE OF
COLOR, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE THREE TIMES BETTER THAN OUR
COUNTERPARTS.
I AM JUST GOING TO SAY IT THE WAY IT IS.
SO YOU SHOWED THE LEVEL THAT SHE'S PRODUCING RUNNING THREE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF JOBS.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT YOU RECOGNIZE.
THAT THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO HARD.
2:17:54PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU.
2:17:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
2:17:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
2:17:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:18:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:18:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:18:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

2:18:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:18:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:18:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:18:10PM >> YES.
2:18:11PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:18:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:

2:18:13PM >> THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 AND 12.
FILE NUMBERS BZP 22-76258 AND BZP 22-7 OF 177.
THEY WILL BE OPENED TOGETHER.
2:18:31PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, DEVELOPMENT AND
GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
ITEMS NUMBER 11 AND 12, THE FIRST IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE
ESG AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES FOR
THE PROVISION OF HOMELESS SERVICES.
I DO HAVE WITH ME THIS AFTERNOON PAM HENDERSON, OUR HOUSING
MANAGER.
THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS STARTED IN 2017 UNDER THE
EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY A
THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT THAT THEN HAD A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION AND
THEN SUBSEQUENTLY ONE MORE YEAR.
IT DOES END COMING UP THE END OF SEPTEMBER, SO THEN WE WILL
BE BRINGING A NEW AGREEMENT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT
ARE PROVIDED TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES FOR THOSE SERVICES.
2:19:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MS. FEELEY?

2:19:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ABOUT 11 AND 12, I HAVE GOTTEN SOME
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR
THIS.
THERE WERE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD HAVE
MOVED TO MORE PERMANENT SHELTERS NOW INSTEAD OF TENTS.
AND HAD BETTER FACILITIES.
CAN YOU JUST TELL US THE TIMELINE?
WE WERE SLOWED DOWN AGENTS BIT IN THE BEGINNING, BUT CAN YOU
TELL US THE BROTHER IMPRESSION OF WHERE THIS IS GOING OVER
THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS IN TERMS OF CAPACITY AND WHAT
TYPES OF FACILITIES?
2:20:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SURE.
AND I WILL LET KAYON SPEAK TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT WE RAN INTO SOME ISSUES WITH PRODUCTION OF THE
SHELTERS, BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT THE SHELTERS WILL BE
HERE, I BELIEVE, IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE MONTHS, BY THE END
OF THE YEAR.
BUT LET ME HAVE KAYON FILL YOU IN ON IT.
2:20:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOME KIND OF PORTABLE -- SOMETHING LIKE
THAT?
2:20:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
2:20:30PM >>KAYON HENDERSON:
MANAGER FOR HOUSING DIVISION.
AS ABBYE FEELEY STATED WE WILL HAVE ABOUT 100 COTTAGES THAT
WILL GO IN PLACE WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE MONTHS,
HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THOSE.

THE FACILITY FOR THE WRAP AROUND SERVICES.
ALSO BLENDED CATHOLIC CHARITY FOR TAMPA HOPE UNDER OUR COVID
FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE FACILITIES TO PROVIDE
ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, SO THEY WILL
HAVE $600,000.
WE CAME FORWARD WITH THAT DURING OUR ACTION PLAN AND WE WILL
COME BACK WITH THE FORMAL AGREEMENT IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE
MONTHS.
2:21:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT'S THE LONG-TERM PROGRESSION OF THIS?
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AT ONE TIME THERE WERE LIKE 380
PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE HOMES, AND IF YOU HAD THAT, DOES THAT
SERVE 100?
HOW MANY DOES IT SERVE AND WHAT'S THE NEED THAT WE WILL NEED
TO SERVICE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND HOW WOULD WE SERVE
IT?
2:21:28PM >> CURRENTLY WE SERVE 100 INDIVIDUALS AT A TIME.
IT STAYS AT FULL CAPACITY, AS THEY COME THROUGH THE SERVICES
THAT THEY ARE GETTING IS CAPITOL HILL EXIT TO PERMANENT
HOUSING.
SO WE HAVE HAD --
2:21:43PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
TAMPA HOUSING OPENS THE END OF DECEMBER OF
21.
2:21:51PM >> SO THIS IS JUST THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PERIOD, AS MRS.
FEELEY STATED, SO WE ASSISTED ABOUT 325 INDIVIDUALS.
WE DID HAVE SOME FAMILIES EXIT THE PROGRAM AND COME BACK IN

BECAUSE THEY JUST WEREN'T READY FOR SERVICES SO WE HAD THE
UNDUPLICATED NUMBERS HERE.
ASSISTED ABOUT 30% OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE GONE TO
PERMANENT HOUSING, THAT THEY NOW HAVE A SECURE LEASE WITH
THEM, AND HAVE GOTTEN SOME ASSISTANCE, EITHER THROUGH
GETTING A JOB AND NOW BEING ABLE TO PAY FOR THAT RENT
THEMSELVES, OR THROUGH THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES ALSO HAVING
SOME FUNDS FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE.
A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT EMPLOYED AT INTAKE, BUT THROUGH THE
WRAPAROUND SERVICES AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET
JOBS.
WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ASSIST THEM WITH THE INDIVIDUALS GAIN
EMPLOYMENT WHILE THEY ARE THERE.
WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF INDIVIDUALS OVER 62 YEARS OLD SO
WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AS WE LOOK INTO SENIOR
LIVING FACILITIES.
5% ARE VETERANS.
A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN BRIDGE THE GAP WITH THE VETERAN
SERVICES THAT WILL GIVE THEM PERMANENT HOUSING MOVING
FORWARD.
2:22:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD JUST ADD LIKE I DID ON THE LAST
ONE, THESE ARE LIKE SUPERSTAR ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS,
ANTICIPATING WHAT WE WERE GOING TO ASK, HAVING THE ANSWERS,
BE ON TOP OF IT, TALKING ABOUT LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.
IT SHOWS THAT YOU ALL REALLY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONTINUITY

AND YOU ARE THINKING AHEAD AND PLANNING IT.
I EXPECT THAT FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT.
SORRY THAT YOU ALL SET A HIGH STANDARD AND NICOLE SETS A
HIGH STANDARD.
BUT I AM COMPARING YOU TO THIS MORNING BUT THANK YOU FOR
BEING ON TOP OF IT.
2:23:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, WHERE ARE THESE LOCATED?
WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED?
2:23:37PM >> THEY WILL BE ON THE SAME SITE SO THE IDEA IS TO STILL
HAVE THE 100 COTTAGES AS WELL AS THE BEDS IN TENT SO WE WILL
BE ABLE TO UP THE CAPACITY OF WHO WE CAN ACTUALLY SERVE SO
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO INCREASE WHAT WE DO.
2:23:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WILL IT SERVE AS TEMPORARY HOMES?
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
2:23:58PM >> IT'S ALL GOING TO BE TEMPORARY.
THE IDEA IS TO ULTIMATELY GET EVERY PERSON INTO PERMANENT
HOUSING BEYOND TAMPA HOPE MODEL, SO THEY WILL COME IN --
2:24:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
2:24:18PM >> WE DON'T HAVE FAMILIES THERE, BUT THERE ARE SOME
INDIVIDUALS WE MIGHT KIND OF INTERACT AS THE CITY OF TAMPA
AND THEY ARE READY FOR SERVICES SO WE WILL TELL THEM ABOUT
TAMPA HOPE AND IF THEY ARE INTERESTED THEN THEY'LL TAKE
THEM.
WE HAVE INTAKE IS DONE ON TUESDAY OF EVERY WEEK.
AND SO WE GENERALLY WILL HAVE ABOUT 3 OR 4 BEDS POSSIBLY

AVAILABLE, AND THEN THOSE WILL BE FILLED TO KEEP PEOPLE ON A
WAITING LIST SO WE DON'T LOSE THEM UNTIL WE CONSTANTLY GO
BACK AND INTERACT WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
SO AS SOON AS WE REALIZE THAT THERE'S A SHELTER BED
AVAILABLE AND WE ARE ABLE TO PREPARE THEM WITH SERVICES.
2:24:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
2:24:54PM >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
2:24:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:24:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
2:25:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO MOVE RESOLUTION 11, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:25:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:25:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:25:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:25:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:25:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:25:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:25:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:25:17PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:25:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE NUMBER 12.
2:25:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:25:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:25:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

2:25:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:25:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:25:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:25:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:25:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:25:34PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:25:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13.
CM 21-70952.
2:25:43PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, CHAIRMAN, KEITH O'CONNOR FOR
CITY OF TAMPA.
HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 19.
I DID SUBMIT A POWERPOINT TYPE OF OUTLINE IF I CAN GET THAT
UP.
THANK YOU.
THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THE RENTAL COMPLAINT REGISTRY, AND JUST
FOR CLARIFICATION WE DON'T HAVE A RENTAL COMPLAINT REGISTRY
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THIS IS THE REMNANTS OF THE RENTAL CERTIFICATE PROGRAM WHICH
AS YOU KNOW IS EXPIRING THIS YEAR, SEPTEMBER 30.
THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST ARE WHAT ARE WE
GOING TO DO TO FACILITATE AND HELP THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE
RENTAL PROPERTY COMPLAINTS AND ISSUES?
WHAT WAS THE CITY GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT?
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS.

AS YOU KNOW, RECENTLY WE HAD THE ISSUES WITH THE LARGER
UNITS, PARTICULARLY SILVER OAKS AND TIMBER FALLS, AND THE
PREEMPTION THAT WE HAD A WORK AROUND.
SO WE HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION WAS THE STATE, BBPR, AS
MUCH OF YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF AND FACILITATED SOME OF THOSE
DISCUSSIONS.
IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE ARE STILL WORKING AROUND THE PREEMPTION, BUT WHAT WE ARE
GOING TO DO, BY THE TIME IT EXPIRES IN SEPTEMBER, THE RENTAL
CERTIFICATES, WE ARE GOING TO UPDATE OUR WEBSITE.
IF I COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WHAT YOU SEE UP THERE CURRENTLY IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
ENHANCEMENT WEB PAGE.
THIS IS OUR HOME PAGE.
DOWN THERE ABOVE THE BLUEGRASS THERE IS OUR QUICK LINKS FOR
SERVICES.
IN THAT AREA IS WHERE WE WANT TO ADD THESE ADDITIONAL LINKS
TO HELP SERVE AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE RENTAL
CONCERNS.
WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT MAYBE DOING RANDOM INSPECTIONS ABOUT
RENTAL UNITS, THAT AFTER DISCUSSION WAS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
WE CANNOT DO THAT.
CODE ENFORCEMENT IS COMPLAINT-BASED SO WE NEED PEOPLE TO
COME FORWARD, MAYBE A COMPLAINT AND GIVE US THEIR
INFORMATION IN ORDER TO INVITE US INTO THEIR UNITS TO DO AN

INSPECTION.
BECAUSE OF THAT PREEMPTION, THAT'S STILL LESS.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ON THAT PAGE WE ARE GOING TO ADD
THESE ADDITIONAL LINKS.
SO THE LINKS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE UP THERE ARE GOING TO
BE QUICK LINKS FOR SERVICES FOR THE PUBLIC TO CLICK ON.
IT WILL DIRECT THEM TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE RENTAL INFORMATION GUIDE
BASICALLY LIKE PDFs TYPE PAMPHLET INFORMATION THAT THEY
CAN CLICK ON.
SO THE FIRST TWO LINKS ARE GOING TO BE FOR RENTAL
PROPERTIES, AND THOSE TWO LINKS I DID DISTINGUISH BETWEEN
FOUR UNITS AND LESS AND FIVE UNITS AND MORE.
ALTHOUGH THOSE LINKS ARE GOING TO TAKE US DIRECTLY TO OUR
CITY ACCELA SYSTEM FOR INPUT DOWN THE ROAD, IF THINGS ARE
WORKING SMOOTHLY, WE MAY DIRECT THEM DIRECTLY TO THE STATE.
FOR NOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTED TO THE SAME THING, AND
THERE'S GOING TO BE A TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS LINK AND A
FAIR HOUSING DISCRIMINATION LINK.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
KEEP IN MIND THAT THE LAW DID CHANGE JULY 1st SO
EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE US THEIR INFORMATION.
THEY CANNOT REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
AND THERE IS ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK

THAT EVERYONE HAS TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ONLINE.
YOU CAN CALL OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER AND DO THE SAME
THING THAT YOU CAN DO ONLINE.
YOU CAN DO ON THE PHONE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO USE
THE INTERNET.
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO WHEN YOU CLICK ON THE FIRST COUPLE OF LINKS, YOU ARE
GOING TO BE DIRECTED RIGHT HERE SHOWING YOU THE ACCELA PAGE.
THE NEXT PAGE SHOWING HOW THEY ARE GOING TO INPUT THEIR
INFORMATION.
ONCE THEY INPUT THEIR INFORMATION WITH THEIR COMPLAINT THEY
WILL CLICK ON.
THAT THEY WILL GET A REFERENCE COMPLAINT NUMBER THAT THEY
CAN UTILIZE TO CHECK BACK ON HOW THEIR COMPLAINT IS GOING.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN DO ALL OF THIS AT THAT TELEPHONE NUMBER OR
DO IT ONLINE.
IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
FOR THESE TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS QUESTIONS YOU ARE GOING TO
BE DIRECTED TO THE TAMPA OFFICE OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
THEY HAVE THEIR PAGE.
THEY CAN SELECT FROM THAT PAGE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH
THAT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SAME THING WITH THE FAIR HOUSING AND DISCRIMINATION
COMPLAINTS.

YOU GO TO THE HOUSING SITE, DIRECTS THEM THERE FOR ANY
ISSUES RELATED TO THAT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THEN YOU CAN JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS RAN INFORMATION GUIDE, LIKE I SAID, SO YOU CLICK ON,
THEY WILL SEE THESE RESOURCES.
YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
PEOPLE CAN READ THROUGH THESE.
RESOURCES.
PICK OUT WHAT THEY NEED AND THEN UTILIZE THEM AS THEY SEE
FIT.
NEXT SLIDE.
SAME THING HERE.
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND FOR ANY FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, AGAIN YOU WILL BE DIRECTED
TO THE HOUSING WEB PAGE AND THEY HAVE THEIR PHONE NUMBER UP
THERE AND YOU CAN UTILIZE THAT.
AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
TO THE RENTAL CERTIFICATE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THE CITIZENS TO REACH OUT TO US, AND
WE ARE TRYING TO DO LIKE ONE-STOP SHOPPING WHERE THEY CAN
GET THEIR ANSWERS.
2:30:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR?
AS IT RELATES TO FILING THE COMPLAINT, I LIKE TO SEE -- A

LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE SOME CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY ELDERLY,
THAT THEY ARE AFRAID BUT A LOT OF THEM DO GO TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF A COMPLAINT COULD BE GENERATED FROM A
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S BOARD OR VERSUS WHATEVER THE
ACTUAL MRS. JOHNSON 90 YEARS OLD WHO IS COMPLAINING ABOUT
THE PERSON NEXT DOOR BUT MAY BE AFRAID OF RETALIATION, OR
MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COULD TAKE A COMPLAINT.
2:31:35PM >> WE CAN TAKE THE COMPLAINT IN FROM ANY PERSON F.IT'S JUST
A GENERAL COMMUNITY AT THE FACILITY, AND WE CAN GO INTO THE
COMMON AREAS AND DEAL WITH IT.
BUT IF WE HAVE TO GO INTO MRS. JONES' APARTMENT WE ARE
OBVIOUSLY GOING TO NEED HER PERMISSION OR SOMEONE ON HER
BEHALF TO ALLOW US TO R IN THERE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION OF
THAT.
WE CAN'T JUST DO INSPECTIONS OF APARTMENTS ABSENT
COMPLAINTS.
2:32:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:32:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GLAD YOU ENDED ON THE SLIDE BECAUSE THE
HOUSING INFORMATION, YOU LOOK AT THAT CREATED GRAPHIC, IN
THE CENTER AT THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS CONTRACT TO ASSISTIVE
LANDLORD TENANT ISSUES.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL BUT I ENVISION THIS
HOTLINE BEING FOR ANYONE HAVING ANY QUESTION ABOUT HOUSING.
SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THE LINKS THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR PAGE,

I WOULD LIKE THIS NUMBER FRONT AND CENTER ON THAT PAINFUL AS
WELL FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE UNCOMFORTABLE USING THE ACCELA
SYSTEM, BECAUSE THIS PHONE NUMBER, THAT'S WHAT THE POINT OF
IT IS, TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO WHICH AREA THEY NEED TO GO TO.
SO MAYBE THEY CALL AND INITIALLY THEY HAVE A RENTAL QUESTION
THEY NEED HELP WITH RENTAL ASSISTANCE, MONEY, BUT THEN THEY
MIGHT ALSO SAY, OH, WELL, I ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE IN MY
APARTMENT, MY TOILET KEEPS BACKING UP AND MY LANDLORD WON'T
LISTEN TO ME.
SO I THINK WHILE I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A NUMBER AND YOU HAVE
ALL OF THAT, IF WE CAN REALLY DIRECT PEOPLE TO ONE PHONE
NUMBER AND THEN HELP FAN IT OUT, I THINK THAT HELPS QUIET
THE CONFUSION THE COMMUNITY HAS THROUGH WHERE DO I GO?
2:33:28PM >> RIGHT.
WHEN I SPOKE WITH YOU THE OTHER DAY, I DID CHECK WITH KAYON,
AND SHE ASSURED ME, SO WHEN THEY DO CALL THAT NUMBER THEY
ARE REFERRED TO US AND VICE VERSA.
I DO HAVE A CALL CENTER THAT THERE'S SIX PEOPLE THERE
ANSWERING ANY CITY QUESTION, BUT I WILL TALK TO HOUSING
ABOUT CONSOLIDATING THAT NUMBER.
2:33:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T HAVE TO CONSOLIDATE.
I AM JUST SAYING PUT THIS NUMBER FRONT AND CENTER TO ARE
THOSE WHO ARE JUST WANT ONE PLACE TO CALL.
WHEN WE HAVE -- BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT
DEPARTMENTS.

BUT IF EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IF I HAVE A HOUSING QUESTION,
REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, WE ARE CALLING 307-5555, THEY CAN
THEY CAN THEN CONNECT THEM.
I KNOW IT'S JUST ONE MORE CONNECTION BUT FOR THEM IT'S A ONE
STOP SHOP ON THE BACK END YOU COULD HAVE A MILLION DIFFERENT
BRANCHES ON THE TREE, BUT IF WE JUST HAVE THAT ONE NUMBER, I
THINK IT AIDS IN THE CONFUSION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
WOULD WANT TO BE CALLING HAVE.
AGAIN I REALLY THINK OF OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY WHO JUST ISN'T
SURE, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO SEND THEM ON THE
INTERNET AND WE JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE A PHONE NUMBER FOR
SOMEONE THEY CAN REACH AND HELP WITH THEIR ISSUES.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.
2:34:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:34:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING,
AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENTAL
CERTIFICATE IN SEPTEMBER, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS 90
PERCENT GREATER THAN THAT ARE THOSE THAT ARE READY WHO HAVE
NEVER BEEN -- THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR 10, 15 YEARS.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT NOW YOU HAVE THE
LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT LAW THAT YOU HAVE HANDLE THESE
ANONYMOUSLY SO NOW YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT PERSON'S NAME OR GO
TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT SOMETIMES THERE IS NO
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

SO THOSE PEOPLE ARE VERY HESITANT TO SAY WHAT'S GOING ON.
FURTHERMORE, THE TAX THAT JUST FAILED, THE 1% TAX ON THE
SCHOOLS, FOR TEACHER SALARIES AND SO FORTH, IF WE WERE TO DO
A STUDY, AND I CAN ONLY TELL BUT A SMALL STUDY THAT WAS DONE
BY A PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, AT 232 HOMES IN A VERY SMALL AREA
IN A CERTAIN PART OF TOWN, NOT BEING VERY SPECIFIC, I DON'T
SAY WHERE OR HOW, BUT THEY WERE 100% SURE THAT THERE WERE
RENTAL HOUSES WITHOUT A RENTAL CERTIFICATE.
IF THAT'S FACTUAL, AND I AM NOT SAYING IF, I THINK IT IS,
YOU WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A THOUSAND HOMES.
LET ME TELL WHAT YOU THE DIFFERENCE IS.
THE DIFFERENCE IS IF YOU HAVE A HOME AND IT'S UNDER
SOMEONE'S NAME, AND IT'S RENTED, THAT TAX GOES UP FROM
$1,000 TO $3,000.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE, YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY
TAX, YOU LOOK AT THE CITY TAX, VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCHOOL TAX, SCHOOL ONE POLICY AND
SCHOOL TWO, IT ALMOST DOUBLES, OR IS EQUAL TO THE SUM OF THE
COUNTY AND THE CITY.
SO I CAN TELL YOU BY EXPERIENCE THAT IF WE WERE SOMEHOW HAD
THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINE THESE INDIVIDUAL, AND IF SOMEBODY
WANTS TWO WEEKS AT A TIME, AND THEY ARE SO BOLD THAT THEY
PUT APARTMENT A AND APARTMENT B ON THE HOUSE.
THEY ARE NOT HARD TO FIND.
AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO ON WEEKENDS -- AND I AM NOT

SAYING YOU SHOULD -- BUT MAYBE YOU SHOULD.
IF YOU WERE TO GO ON WEEKENDS, CODE ENFORCEMENT WORKS GREAT,
BUT MORE DAMAGE IS DONE ON THE WEEKEND THAN ON ANY MONDAY
THROUGH FRIDAY EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE 52 WEEKENDS.
THOSE 52 DAYS, THERE'S MORE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY GOING ON THAN
THE REMAINDER OF THE WHOLE CALENDAR YEAR, 365.
AND I'M SAYING IT'S A HARD THING TO DO.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN DO IT OVERNIGHT.
BUT MAYBE IF YOU START SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD FALL IN
PLACE AND TURN THEMSELVES IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU.
UNLESS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO RUNS -- IN THE COUNTY, HAS A DRONE
THAT CAN FLY OVER AND THEY CAN TELL YOU EVERYTHING.
BUT I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT.
I JUST KNOW THE TOOLS THAT ARE THERE, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH
IT.
AND I MENTIONED IT EARLIER TO THE BOARD HERE.
WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS.
I DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL AND I GOT CAUGHT, I SELL THE HOUSE TO
MR. GUDES.
ALL OF A SUDDEN NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINS TO MR. GUDES.
THEY COME AFTER MR. GUDES.
SO SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO -- I AM NOT BLAMING YOU.
I AM JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, TO MAKE SURE THAT

BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, CODE ENFORCEMENT DID THE WHOLE THING
AND WE PUT IT ON WHEN SOMETHING IS DONE HERE, AND THEY LOOK
AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA BEFORE SELL IS
CONSUMMATED, HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
SO I AM TRYING TO -- AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
AND I AM TRYING TO JUMP FROM TULIP POOL TO POOL BUT IT'S 15
FEET DEEP AND I DON'T SWIM.
WITH YOU THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH.
A LOT OF CALLS THAT WE GET ARE BASED ON THAT. ANYWAY, I AM
GOING TO WORK ON IT OVER THE WEEK NEXT WEEK AND SEE IF
THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
2:39:05PM >> I APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCILMAN.
YOU HAVE SHOWN ME THE HOUSES.
I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
JUST FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION, A LITTLE CHANGE IN WHAT
HAPPENED, HAS HAPPENED, I NO LONGER HAVE CURSE DICKS OVER
WORK WITHOUT PERMITS LIKE BEFORE, SO THAT'S SOLELY UNDER THE
HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
BUT I WILL GET WITH JC AND EXPLAIN HOW FAR WE HAVE COME, BUT
IT IS TRICKY BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GETTING INTO
SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND PROVING BEFORE A MAGISTRATE HERE, OR A
JUDGE, THAT THEY ARE RENTING IT, THEY RENOVATE IT AND ALL
THAT, AND IT'S HARD TO DO BE THAT FROM THE STREET.
AND COUNCILMAN GUDES KNOWS IT'S NOT EASY TO GET INTO HOUSES

AND IT'S NOT REALLY EASY TO GET IN FOR THIS KIND OF CIVIL
PROBLEM.
BUT IT'S DOABLE.
YOU CAN GET INTO A HOUSE WHEN INSPECTIONS WARRANT.
SO I WILL TALK TO JC ABOUT THAT.
2:39:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:39:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:40:02PM >> ONE THING IF I MAY, I WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE AN UPDATE ON
THE TWO PROPERTIES, SILVER OAKS AND TIMBER FALLS BECAUSE
IT'S BEEN NOTICED.
SO TIMBER AWL FALLS WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTION GOING ON.
THERE ARE 18 CASES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPEN FOR CODE
VIOLATIONS.
THOSE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
FLO, MY INSPECTOR UP THERE, IS WORKING VERY WELL WITH THE
COMMUNITY. IN SILVER OAKS WE HAVE ZERO CASES IN SILVER
OAKS.
WE.
HAD ANYONE COME FORWARD THAT LET US INTO THE DEPARTMENT
DOING AN OPEN CASE.
ONE CAME IN YESTERDAY AND ANOTHER ONLINE THE.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT.
2:40:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR UPDATE AND
WHATNOT.

ON TIMBER FALLS, I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH SOME OF THE
RESIDENTS THERE AND STILL GOING ON TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE
WITH YOU THE ALLEGED BACK-DUE FEES, RENT, AND ASSESSMENTS
AND WORKING WITH MANAGEMENT ON IT, AGAIN, ALL THAT I WANT, I
THINK ALL THAT THE CITY WANTS, IS SO THERE'S A FAIR
ACCOUNTING SO WHAT IS DUE AND OWING IS DUE AND OWING, AND IF
SOMETHING IS NOTE THEN IT'S NOT.
IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A FAIR ACCOUNTING.
SO YOU SAID THERE'S BEEN 18 FROM TIMBER FALLS AND ZERO SO
FAR FROM SILVER OAKS?
2:41:19PM >> EXACTLY.
WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE YOU SAW WE GOT A -- WE WENT OUT TO
SILVER OAKS.
THERE WAS ONE WOMAN WHO GAVE US HER NUMBER AND WANTED US TO
DO AN INSPECTION, THREE TIMES SHE CANCELED, AND WE NEVER GOT
IN THERE.
WE CLOSED THAT ONE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
NO ONE ELSE HAS COME FORWARD.
2:41:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND I AM GOING BACK OUT TO TIMBER FALL WAS
THIS PRINTED OUT IN COLOR, THE NEW WEBSITE, SO THAT FOLKS
CAN SEE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE IT, ET CETERA.
AND I'M SURE -- AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE NUMBER
ONE WAY THAT WE FIND OUT OF THE ISSUES THAT HAPPEN IN THESE
COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE VULNERABLE AND MARGINALIZED IS

BY GOING OUT INTO THERE AS OFFICIALS, AS CITY LEADERS,
ET CETERA, KNOCKING ON DOORS AND TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE BOTTOM OF BOTH OF THESE TWO ISSUES.
AND FRANKLY THAT'S HOW WE SAW THE ISSUE AT TIMBER FALLS WITH
ALL OF THAT BACK DUE ASSESSMENTS, ET.
SO I'LL BE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, BUT JUST WANTED TO THANK
YOU.
2:42:22PM >> THAT WILL BE AFTER OCTOBER 1 WHEN OH OTHER ONE EXPIRES.
2:42:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
2:42:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
CHIEF, THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:42:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS ISN'T RELATED TO THIS, BUT IT SORT OF
IS.
WE ARE CLOSING THIS COMPLAINT REGISTRY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE
A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, AND I
AM LOOKING FORWARD TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA COMING BACK WITH AN
IDEA BECAUSE THESE AREN'T GOING TO GO AWAY, AND I DO THINK
THE IDEA OF A LANDLORD REGISTRY COULD WORK AND IS SOMETHING
THAT WE COULD DO AS A CITY, BUT I AM GOING TO WAIT UNTIL
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA COMES BACK WITH HIS IDEAS, AND THEN MAYBE
WE CAN BUILD ON THAT AS A COUNCIL TO HELP FIND WAYS TO
JUST -- TO HELP THE CONSTITUENTS FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE OF
WHERE THEY ARE AND THE TYPES OF PLACES THEY ARE GOING INTO
BEFORE THEY GO INTO THEM.

ACCELA, WHILE REALLY GOOD FOR US, IS VERY TRICKY TO USE.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO SOME TRAINING OUT IN THE
COMMUNITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMPUTER SAVVY TO HELP OTHERS.
I DO SEE A LANDLORD COMPLAINT OR REGISTRY AS VIABLE.
I KNOW THAT -- I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING
IN THE FUTURE.
I WILL BE RESEARCHING THAT, AND I WILL WAIT FOR COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA TO SEE WHAT I CAN BUILD UPON THAT IN THE FUTURE.
2:44:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE CHAIRMAN ALWAYS GETS THE LAST WORD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.
YOU STARTED UP THE CONVERSATION WITH THE WORD PREEMPTION.
HOW MUCH MORE AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE ON UNITS 5 AND ABOVE?
WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING.
AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS, PROFESSIONAL
REGULATIONS.
NOW, ARE WE ACCUMULATING ALL THIS DATA THAT WE ARE GOING TO
GET AND SEND IT BACK UP AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEIR
RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE BEEN USURPED?
BECAUSE I SPOKE WITH THE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED
TO COME BACK TO ME WITH A HOTLINE INFORM OUR CITIZENS TO
CALL.
SO I AM HOPING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE TEETH TO HELP

THE RESIDENT THAT NEED THE MOST HELP AND THE DEPARTMENT OF
BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL REGULATIONS ISN'T GOING TO PREEMPT US
FROM DOING WHAT WE FULLY CAN DO.
2:45:19PM >> OKAY.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PREEMPT US FROM DOING ANYTHING LIKE
THAT.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE OVERTLY PREVENTING US.
BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHEN WE DO MAKE A COMPLAINT, AT THE SAME
TIME, IF IT'S FIVE OR MORE UNITS, WE ARE DOING THE REFERRAL
TO DDPR AT THE SAME TIME.
2:45:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND THAT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, WAS MY POINT.
WE ARE DOING THE REFERRAL.
THEY SHOULD BE ON TOP OF THIS.
2:45:43PM >> AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT US TO WORK TOGETHER, AND I AM
HAVING GOOD DIALOGUE WITH THE SECRETARY, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR
AND THE DIRECTOR OF DDPR.
WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION.
SO IF THEY PICK IT UP AND THEY ARE BEING RESPONSIVE TO A
PARTICULAR COMPLAINT, THEN I CAN CLOSE MY COMPLAINT.
IF THEY ARE NOT, THEY ARE GOING TO COME HERE BEFORE THE
MAGISTRATE AND WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING FORWARD.
SO I AM DOING BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME JUST SO I KNOW
IT WON'T SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS.
I AM BASICALLY DOING BOTH.
2:46:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.

2:46:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND THAT'S WHAT THE SECRETARY TOLD ME.
SHE SAID SOME PEOPLE HAVE READ THE STATUTE AND INTERPRETED
IT CORRECTLY BUT STILL THE LOCAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT WAS
EXPLAINED TO ME AND HER DEPUTY THAT HE HAVE YOU HAVE THE
AUTHORITY TO HANDLE BUSINESS REGARDLESS.
AM I WRONG ON THAT?
2:46:31PM >> YOU ARE NOT WRONG.
IT'S TRICKY.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE'S
A LITTLE TRICK IN THERE.
AND I CAN EXPLAIN IT VERY EASILY.
BUT --
2:46:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SHE WAS ADAMANT.
2:46:44PM >> THERE'S THREE PEOPLE INVOLVED HERE, THE STATE AND WHOEVER
OWNS THAT BUILDING SO SOMEONE MIGHT COMPLAINT ABOUT WHAT'S
GOING ON.
2:46:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME SAYING IT HAS
INTERPRETED --
2:46:58PM >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US DOING -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU
ARE SAYING.
THEY WELCOME US IN THAT WAY.
2:47:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, LET'S GO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE.
2:47:11PM >> WE ARE.

2:47:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO THE CITIZENS KNOW EXACTLY.
DAY, THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17.
FILE NUMBER CM.
2:47:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, FOR 150, I WANTED THIS AN UPDATE ON
THIS APPRENTICESHIP RETURNING CITIZENS GRANT TO COME BACK TO
US IN GOSH, WE ARE ALMOST IN SEPTEMBER. IF I MAY, MARCH OF
2023 ON THE STATUS OF THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WORKING TOWARD
JOINT RETURNING CITIZENS APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, IF I MAY.
2:47:57PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
DO YOU HAVE A DATE IN MARCH FOR THE
COUNCIL MEETING?
2:48:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MARCH 15th OR 16th, IF I MAY.
2:48:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
2:48:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
2:48:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW WE GO TO 17, FILE CM 22-754 IT 3.
TO SUPPORT WALTER L. SMITH LIBRARY.
2:48:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
IF I MAY.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS HERE FOR THAT.
2:48:54PM >> HELLO.
THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ASK IS AT YOUR CRA MEETING YOU
ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS SO ASKED YOU IF WE COULD COMBINE

IT AND GIVE IT A LITTLE MOWER TIME TO COME BACK WITH A
COMPREHENSIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT ON COUNCIL AND YOU HAVE ON
CRA.
2:49:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THANK YOU, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
2:49:18PM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:49:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I DID THIS IN CASE THERE WERE ANY GAPS FROM THE CRA, SO I
CAN TABLE THIS FOR NOW, AND THEN LEAVE IT TO THE CRA, AND
THEN HAVE IT COME BACK TO THE CITY IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S
ANY CITY INVOLVEMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, THE MAIN INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE
THIS LIBRARY WHICH HAS SUCH IMPORTANT HISTORY, AND I KNOW WE
WILL BE COMING BACK IN SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE MONTHS FOR A
POTENTIAL STREET DEDICATION AS WELL FOR THE LATE DR. SMITH,
AND WHATNOT.
SO IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORY.
AND THIS IS A LITTLE PART OF THAT.
SO I WILL TABLE R TABLE THIS FOR NOW, IF I MAY.
2:50:01PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
COLLABORATE WITH ANY OF THE CITY DEVELOPMENTS WE WILL BRING
THAT BACK TO YOU JUST LIKE WE HAVE DONE WITH THE PARK
ACCESSIBILITY ON THE CRA MEETING.
2:50:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
2:50:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18.
FILE CM 22-74624.

MS. DUNCAN.
2:50:25PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL.
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY.
I AM HERE FOR ITEM FILE CM 22-74624.
THIS ITEM WAS REGARDING HAVING WHAT'S CALLED PUBLIC WORKS,
ACTUALLY THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, TO
PROVIDE A REPORT ON ANY SAVINGS THAT COULD BE USED IN THE
WATER DEPARTMENT TO REDUCE WATER RATES.
WE DID PROVIDE A REPORT BACK IN JUNE.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE MET WITH THE MOTION MAKER WHICH WAS
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CHIEF OF STAFF, AND I MET AND WE HAVE
PROVIDED A REPORT FOR TODAY.
SO I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAD THE ITEM ADDRESSED AS YOU LIKE.
2:51:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:51:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TWO QUESTIONS.
I KNOW IT'S A LONG DAY.
BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED IN THE WAY THIS HAS COME OUT OF THE IT
SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FAT IN THE WATER
DEPARTMENT.
BUT CAN I JUST ASK YOU SIMPLY, IS IT THE POSITION OF THE
ADMINISTRATION THAT WE CANNOT REDUCE WATER RATES RIGHT NOW?
2:51:42PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I WOULD GIVE THE SIMPLE ANSWER.
YES.

2:51:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND QUESTION. IF WE DECIDED NOT TO
SPEND $40 MILLION ON A NEW OFFICE BUILDING FOR THE WATER
DEPARTMENT OR FOUND OTHER WAYS TO CUT, IS IT STILL THE
POSITION THAT WE COULDN'T REDUCE WATER RATES?
2:51:56PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
THE WATER CENTER AND ADMINISTRATION BUILDINGS, BY THE WAY,
WE DO BRIEFINGS SCHEDULED ON YOUR CALENDARS.
THOSE HAVE BEEN IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
THEY WERE IN THE LINE ITEM LIST OF PROJECTS FOR THE PURE --
EXCUSE ME, PIPE PROGRAM THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL
IN 2019.
SO THERE ARE CRITICAL NEEDS FOR THOSE STRUCTURES THAT WE
WILL BRIEF YOU ON 101 VERY SOON.
2:52:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONLY LAST THING IS I SUPPORTED PIPES.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM IN THEORY, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
FRUSTRATED THAT THINGS AREN'T MOVING FASTER.
SO WHEN YOU GET ADDITIONAL MONEY ANY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE
TO REDUCE WATER RATES BUT THE SECOND ONE WOULD TO BE MOVE AS
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE DON'T DISRUPT NEIGHBORHOODS
ANYMORE AND TRY TO GET THIS DONE AND STOP WASTING POTABLE
WATER.
AND WE HAVE SEEN THERE WAS KIND OF A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE
NEAR MY HOUSE ON GANDY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND THE
DEPARTMENT CAME OUT WITHIN 24 HOURS OR SO AND FIXED THAT.
SO WE DO SEE GREAT WORK GOING ON.

BUT I HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TO GET THIS
DONE.
THANK YOU.
2:53:11PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.
2:53:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. DUNCAN?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:53:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE'S A GENERAL QUESTION.
MR. CARLSON TALKS ABOUT SAVING MONEY, REDUCING RATES.
IF MONEY IS SAVED, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THOSE RATES CAN'T BE
REDUCED? JEEP JEAN WELL, THE PROGRAM WAS PRESENTED WITH A
SET OF PROJECTS, CRITERIA, AND ALSO CONSEQUENCES FOR
REACTIVE VERSUS PROACTIVE PLANNING.
SO THE PROGRAM IS STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE
FINANCING, THE EXPENDITURES ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE.
SO OUR INTEREST IS NOT TO START PULLING ANY THREADS ON THAT
AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WE HAVE A WELL VETTED SET OF CAPITAL PROJECTS WE WANT TO
PROCEED ON.
WE CLEARLY HAVE REACTIVE SITUATIONS COMING UP WITH COUNCIL
AFFIDAVITS THAT YOU ALL SEE.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO THROW THAT BALANCE OFF OF WHAT WE THINK
IS A VERY WELL PLANNED AND SO FAR EXECUTED PROGRAM OF
CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

2:54:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE WATER PROJECT FOR
EIGHT TO FIVE PEOPLE BEING IN A BUILDING.
AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS YOU WANT TO DO
WITH THAT, SAY, IN THE HISTORY CENTER THERE, I THINK IT'S
NICE TO HAVE, BUT I DON'T THINK SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE,
I DON'T SEE THE TOURISM GOING IN THERE TO THE WATER
DEPARTMENT TO SEE A HISTORY CENTER.
BUT THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION.
IF THERE'S MONEY THAT COULD BE SAVED BY NOT UTILIZING OR
REDUCED COULD IT COME BACK?
THAT CAN'T BE DONE.
SO FORTH AND SO ON.
CORRECT?
2:55:03PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
AND I WILL JUST ADD THAT WE ARE EXTREMELY FRUGAL AND
THOUGHTFUL SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY WHETHER IT'S COLLECTED IN
WHATEVER WAY IT COMES IN, SO WE JUST DON'T SEE ANY
OPPORTUNITY FOR WIGGLE ROOM FOR CHANGING THE STRUCTURE THAT
WE HAVE WITH OUR RATES, AND WE ARE PROUD THAT THEY ARE VERY
COMPETITIVE WITHIN OUR REGION, AND WILL STAY COMPETITIVE
EVEN THROUGH THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
2:55:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
2:55:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:55:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE
WATER DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS ONE OF 13 WATER DEPARTMENTS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY
THAT HAS THE AAA RATING ON BOND.
THAT MEANS YOU ARE GETTING THE LOWEST RATE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WATER COMPANIES THERE ARE IN THE
COUNTRY?
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THEM.
AND THERE'S ONLY ONE OF 13, ONE OF 13 CITIES, ONLY ONE OF
THREE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS IT.
SO ONE OF TWO THEY ARE TELLING ME NOW.
SO SOMEBODY DROPPED OFF.
ONE OF TWO.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, I AM PROUD OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND
I AM NOT HERE TO -- BUT YOU CANNOT CHANGE RATES, IF YOU BOND
OUT THAT MONEY, WHAT'S COMING UP AS A HIGHER RATE AND YOU
ARE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF INTEREST RATE THAT YOU ARE GOING
TO HAVE TO PAY OUT.
AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT SIDE AT ALL.
AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON A LOT OF THINGS.
BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT GROW.
THE WATER DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S FIVE OR SIX
PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING, BUT HOW DO WE CONVEY THINGS TEN
YEARS, 15 YEARS AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
WHAT'S GOING ON?
THIS WHOLE COUNTRY, THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING THROUGH A
TRANSFORMATION WHETHER YOU LOOK AT WATER FROM INDIA TO

BANGLADESH TO SPAIN TO PORTUGAL TO CALIFORNIA.
EVERYONE HAS GOT A WATER PROBLEM.
EITHER NOT ENOUGH WATER OR HORRENDOUS FLOODS THAT TAKE
EVERYBODY WITH IT.
OF WHAT IS IN FRONT IT WILL TAKE.
WATERWAYS ABOUT 8 POUNDS A GALLON.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE TO TEACH KIDS, LITTLE
KIDS, THAT THEY CAN SHOW ALL ABOUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT, AND
PART OF THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT NOW.
SO THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE THE GENERATION THAT IS GOING
TO CONVEY NOT ONLY TO THE THEMSELVES BUT TO OTHERS, AND IT'S
GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.
BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMETHING AND SAVE WHERE WE LIVE AND
THAT'S CALLED PLANET EARTH.
I KNOW ABOUT IT.
I TRY TO BE WHAT I CAN BE TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT.
JUST GOT AN ELECTRIC CAR.
I GOT ONE THAT I AM NOT USING BECAUSE I CHANGED OVER TO THE
ELECTRIC CAR.
WHY?
BECAUSE I HAD THEM BOTH LESS MILES WHEN I TRADE THEM IN I
GET MITT MONEY BACK.
SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
AND THIS IS JUST THE START OF A DIRECTION OF EDUCATION,
EDUCATING THE INDIVIDUALS.

YOU CAN TELL PARENTS WHAT TO DO.
THEY WON'T DO IT.
BUT LET ONE CHILD TELL THE PARENTS WHAT TO DO AND THEY WILL
DO IT.
SO THAT'S HOW IT IS IN LIFE.
I REMEMBER, I SAID OKAY, SOMEBODY TOLD ME THE SAME THING.
I SAID NO, THAT'S HOW LIFE IS, WE ARE ALL HUMAN.
SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:58:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:58:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT
HIS YARD AND HOW HE SAVES WATER AND I THINK HE'S BETTER THAN
ANY OF THE REST OF US AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO AN AD WITH
HIM TO TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION AND XERISCAPING, BUT IF WE
WERE MORE EFFECTIVE, LET'S SAY WE RAN AN AD WITH HIM AND
SUDDENLY RUNNING THAT AD FOR A MONTH EVERYBODY USES 5% LESS
WATER, SO WE SAVE, THAT HITS THE REVENUES OF THE WATER
DEPARTMENT.
HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR BONDS?
IS IT THE CONSERVATION, THAT DOES THE BOND RATING ANTICIPATE
CONSERVATION?
2:59:17PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I WOULD PROBABLY REFER TO OUR CFO TO MAKE
SURE THAT ANSWER IS ANSWERED CORRECTLY.
WHEN YOU ISSUE A BOND, THERE'S JUST LITTLE MOVEMENT IN THOSE
THINGS WITHOUT CREATING AN ISSUE AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT

TO DO ANYTHING TO AFFECT OUR WONDERFUL AAA RATING THAT WE
HAVE FROM OUR CREDITORS OUT THERE.
BUT IN YOU WANT MORE DETAIL ON THAT ANSWER I CAN ASK DENNIS
TO COME UP AND ADD A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
2:59:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SIMPLY, IF WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND
WE RAN ADS WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND PEOPLE DECIDED TO CON
SERVE 5 OR 10% WORKS THAT ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR BOND RATING?
2:59:56PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THE SHORT ANSWER IS IT COULD.
IF THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE.
CIRCUMSTANCES ARE GOING TO CHANGE.
I SAID IT BEFORE, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, I CAN ONLY GUARANTEE
YOU THAT IT WILL BE WRONG.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO R DO IS MAKE IT VERY, VERY CLOSE TO
BEING RIGHT. IF THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL RIGHT FOR WHATEVER
REASON, OUR CREDITORS, INVESTORS WOULD LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE
PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE RATING OF THE BONDS.
3:00:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW MUCH OF THE RATING IS BASED ON THE
INCREASE IN RATES THAT WE APPROVED VERSUS JUST THE
OPERATIONS?
3:00:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
A SUBSTANTIAL, AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU A
PERCENTAGE, BUT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT IS BASED ON THAT
BECAUSE, YOU WILL RECALL, THE UPGRADE COINCIDED WITH THE
INSTITUTION OF BOTH THAT RATE PLAN INCLUDING THOSE RATE
INCREASES.
THEY ARE MAJOR COMPONENTS.

3:00:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD TELL YOU FIRST I THINK WE SHOULD
RUN ADS WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND, I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH HEAVIER FOR CONSERVATION.
AND IF WE ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT CONSERVATION I WOULD BE THE
FIRST IN LINE TO APPROVE A RATE INCREASE TO KEEP OUR BOND
RATING BECAUSE I THINK CONSERVATION IS IMPORTANT.
BUT THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY REAL FAST IS WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT RATES, WE ARE MAKING THE RATE CASE TWO OR THREE YEARS
AGO, I THINK IT MADE SENSE AT THAT TIME TO TALK ABOUT HOW
OUR RATES WERE SO MUCH LOWER THAN OUR PEERS IN THE STATE AND
MAYBE IN OTHER PLACES.
BUT AS WE GO FORWARD UNLESS WE ARE IN A RATE CASE, I THINK
WE SHOULD USE THAT AS ONE OF THE LESSER MESSAGES, BECAUSE
WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR RATE PAYERS AND OUR VOTERS RIGHT NOW
IS HOW MUCH OF AN INCREASE THEY MIGHT EXPERIENCE, NOT WHAT
OTHER CITIES ARE PAYING.
SO THEY ARE EXPERIENCING HIGHER VALUES TO THEIR HOMES WHICH
IS INCREASING THEIR AD VALOREM TAXES, THEY ARE EXPERIENCING
INFLATION, AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THE WHOLE BASKET OF IT, I THINK THEY WOULD
LIKE SOME STABILITY.
AND THE REASON I MADE THIS MOTION, THEY WOULD LIKE SOME
RELIEF EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE THEY ARE ONLY PAYING $80 A
MONTH IF WE REDUCE IT FIVE DOLLARS THAT WOULD HELP SOME
PEOPLE. IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, MIAMI

AVERAGED 100 A MONTH AND WE ARE ONLY AT 80, I THINK IT'S
BETTER TO JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THE RATE
PAYER, BECAUSE THEY DON'T NOTICE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS
PAYING.
ALL THEY KNOW IF THEIR RATE IS GOING TO GO UP THEY ARE GOING
TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
3:02:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
THANK YOU.
3:02:22PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
IF I COULD ADD TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
COMMENTS, WE DO HAVE BECAUSE OF THE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND
THAT'S SOME CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE PROMOTING IT ADEQUATELY FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE AWARE
OF IT SO WE WILL LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN DO MORE ON THAT FRONT
TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THOSE WHO WITH QUALIFY.
WE DID REVIEW SOME OF THE QUALIFICATIONS IN 2019 TO MAKE IT
A LITTLE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO MORE FOLKS.
3:02:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN.
3:02:57PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
3:02:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MASSEY.
I'M SORRY, MR. MASSEY, ITEM NUMBER 21.
3:03:09PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
AS I MENTIONED BRIEFLY THIS MORNING, ITEM
75 WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, PREPARED RESPONSE TO THIS, TO
APPOINT THE CURRENT MEMBERS TO THE CITIZENS BUDGET AND
FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE THEIR TERMS SO IT'S

TERMINUS WITH THEIR TERMS SO YOU ARE NOT REAPPOINTING THE
MEMBERS EVERY YEAR.
THAT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT FALLS OFF, AND WE DID HAVE A
MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE LAST FRIDAY, I BELIEVE ON THE
REGULAR SCHEDULE FOR THE UPCOME FISCAL YEAR, WERE GOING TO
MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
AND I DID RECEIVE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S AIDE A LIST OF
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OR ONE OF THE
MEMBERS WANTED US TO ADDRESS AND WORK THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.
3:03:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:04:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THOSE WERE ACTUALLY MY SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE
APPARENTLY THE ASSIGNMENT WAS FOR ALL OF THE APPOINTEES TO
COME BACK TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ASK WHAT THEY WANT
DON'T SEE THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE
DO, AND SO I GAVE HER MY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE THAT COMMITTEE DO, AND THEN I ASSUMED THAT THE OTHERS
WILL BE FORTH COME.
3:04:22PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT'S FINE.
WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL WORK
THROUGH ANY CHANGES ON YOUR BEHALF.
3:04:32PM >> MUTED.
3:04:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT WORK.
WE APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING IN AND DOING THAT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT IN HOW YOU SET IT UP.
AND THANKS TO EVERYONE ELSE.

QUICK QUESTION.
I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT IN THERE.
BUT THE WAY IT'S RUN FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, I
THINK COUNCILMEMBER --
3:04:55PM >> I'M MUTED.
3:04:57PM >> SHE'S BEEN THE ONLY ONE WHO IS BEING KIND OF FORCED TO
WORK ON IT AND THEN MARTY WAS ASSIGNED TO IT, AND I DON'T
KNOW THAT MARTY VOLUNTEERED.
WHAT'S THE STATUS ON HOW IT'S GOING TO BE STAFFED?
I SAW ALL THE STAPH ABOUT HOW --
3:05:16PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE COMMITTEE IS A CREATURE OF COUNCIL SO
THE WAY IT WAS CREATE PD AND THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE
STAFFED, PRIMARILY BY CITY COUNCIL, THE CLERK'S OFFICE SETS
IT, OUR OFFICE, REVENUE AND FINANCE OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BE
INVOLVED IN THE MEETINGS, AND THEY ARE.
AND I HAVE ASKED THAT THEY BE ENGAGED AND THEN WORK WITH
COMMITTEES ON THE SCHEDULING OF THAT.
OUR OFFICE IS SET IN THE MEETINGS TO DEAL WITH THE SUBSTANCE
OF ISSUES, THE ORGANIZATION OF THE COMMITTEE AND HOW THE
COMMITTEE IS RUN, THE SUNSHINE ISSUES HAVE TYPICALLY BEEN
HANDLED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, AND I HAVE STEPPED IN
DURING MR. SHELBY'S ABSENCE TO BE TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE
ISSUES APT THIS POINT IN TIME.
3:05:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK MARY HAD TO TAKE NOTES, RIGHT?
DID WE HAVE SOMEBODY --

3:06:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, SHE DID.
I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE GOT THAT POSITION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW.
3:06:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK HER FOR DOING THAT.
3:06:10PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE ONLY OTHER OFFICE, AND THE CLERK'S
OFFICE IS THE OFFICE THAT TYPICALLY TAKES MINUTES.
THEY HAVE DECLINED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS COMMITTEE.
SO UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE THAT WILL
TAKE MINUTES.
AND SO THAT IS R HAS TYPICALLY BEEN GIVEN TO ONE OF ARE YOUR
AIDES WHO HAS BEEN THE DESIGNATED PERSON ASSIGNED TO THAT
COMMITTEE.
AND THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS, IS
THAT THERE IS SOMEONE, ONE OF YOUR AIDES IS DESIGNATED THAT
FOLLOWS UP AND MAKES SURE THE NOTICE IS POSTED APPROPRIATELY
AND THAT MINUTES ARE TAKEN.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT.
MR. SHELBY CAN BE PART OF THAT.
I CAN BE PART OF THAT AS WELL.
THAT ULTIMATELY -- WE NEED SOME ASSISTANCE.
3:06:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE JUST, IN THE DOCUMENT, IN THE NEXT
ITERATION, BE EXPLICIT ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO STAFF IT AND
HOW IT WILL BE CHOSEN?
3:07:04PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE CAN DO THAT IF IT'S EXPLICIT IN THE
CURRENT RESOLUTION.

3:07:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:07:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE COMMITTEE WAS NOT OPERATING THE WAY IT
WAS SUPPOSED TO OPERATE.
NOW WE HAVE COME ONBOARD TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED
TO BE DOING, WHAT THE INTENT OF IT WAS.
I'M OF THE IMPRESSION THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WHICH IS A
PART OF US, SHOULD BE TAKING THOSE MINUTES, BECAUSE IT'S A
PART OF THE RECORD.
SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE -- THEY ONLY
MEET ONCE A MONTH, ONLY TWO OR THREE HOURS.
I BELIEVE THE CLERK'S OFFICE NEEDS TO HANDLE THAT AND NOT
AND AIDE BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SUNSHINE.
3:07:52PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I AM GOING TO LEAVE UP THAT TO THE CLERK'S
OFFICE.
I'M ADJUSTS JUST TELLING WHAT YOU THEIR POSITION IS.
3:07:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I UNDERSTAND THAT MOTION. I UNDERSTAND
THEY ARE STILL UP --
3:08:05PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE CLERK'S OFFICE, I WILL LET MS. SHIRLEY
FOXX-KNOWLES ADDRESS THAT, BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY
SERVE AS THE RECORD KEEPER FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE, BUT WHEN
THIS COMMITTEE WAS SET UP, THEY DECLINED TO TAKE ON THAT
RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THAT RESPONSIBILITY FELL ON, THE WAY THE RESOLUTION IS
CURRENTLY WRITTEN, RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOTICE AND TAKING
MINUTES, EXCEPT ONE OF YOUR AIDES THAT HAS TO BE ASSIGNED TO

THAT COMMITTEE.
3:08:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S WHY IF THERE'S NO DECISION MADE, I
THINK THE CLERK SENDS THE NOTICES AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT
THINGS, CORRECT?
3:08:40PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
FOR YOU ALL AND OTHER COMMITTEES IN THE
OFFICE, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE LAND USE COMMITTEES, THEY
DON'T NECESSARILY KEEP THE MINUTES.
THAT'S DONE BY AN OFFICER OR SOMEONE WHO IS SERVING IN THAT
DEPARTMENT.
I THINK THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
BUT AGAIN SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES --
3:09:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THERE'S NO DISCUSSION AS TO HOW HO NEEDS
TO DOUGH THAT.
3:09:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:09:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL AGREE WITH YOU BUT MAYBE THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY ADDING ANOTHER
ATTORNEY TO ASSIST OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, SO MAYBE
ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO HELP
WITH THESE TYPES OF ISSUES, BECAUSE THIS, I WANT THIS BUDGET
ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO BE TELEVISED.
THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE CITY DOES,
AND HOW THE BUDGET -- I MEAN, WE ARE LOOKING AT HIGHER LEVEL
ISSUES.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

WE ARE LOOKING AT GOVERNMENT.
AND THE CITIZENS ARE LOOKING JUST AT THE CITIZENS
PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY VALUABLE AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE
TO WATCH IT AFTERWARDS.
I DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME AND SIT AND WATCH EACH ONE EVERY
MONTH BUT I CAN HAVE IT ON IN THE BACKGROUND, SO I CAN FIND
OUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO SAY ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT
ISSUES.
I ALSO KNOW THAT I WON'T HAVE MY DESIGNEE COME BACK AND TELL
ME ABOUT THINGS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE -- IT'S INCREDIBLE.
WE ABSOLUTELY NEED RECORDS ON THIS.
3:10:13PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BUT THE ATTORNEY, TYPICALLY AN ATTORNEY
EITHER FROM OUR OFFICE OR MR. SHELBY OR MR. SHELBY'S
ASSISTANT WOULD NOT BE TYPICALLY THE PARTY THAT WOULD BE
TAKING MINUTES.
3:10:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO.
YEAH.
3:10:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:10:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN I LOOK AT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
AND I HAVE BEEN SEEING HOW THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WORKED YEARS
AGO VERSUS HOW IT'S OPERATING NOW, THEY ARE A LITTLE MORE
DETAILED NOW.
THEY ASK A LITTLE MORE QUESTIONS NOW.
AND AGAIN, THEY ARE MAKING SUGGESTIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY

WOULD PUT FORTH.
YOU HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION DOES THEIR BUDGET.
BUT THAT COMMITTEE, FOR THIS COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
TRANSPARENCY, ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING AND ASKS THOSE
QUESTIONS.
SO AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT HOW THE CITY IS GROWING, IT'S GETTING
BIGGER.
THINGS CHANGE.
THAT'S WHY I SAY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE IS CHANGING.
THAT'S WHY ON THAT COMMITTEE, WITH COUNCIL PUTTING PEOPLE ON
THAT COMMITTEE WHO HAD NO IDEA ABOUT FINANCING AND BUDGET,
JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON THERE TO BE ON THERE.
THAT COMMITTEE IS NOT TO BE ON THERE.
YOU NEED TO KNOW SOME FINANCING TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.
SO THAT'S WHY I TALKED ABOUT WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN.
YOU NEED PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT -- AND WHO IS GOING TO SHOW
UP.
NOT JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON THERE.
I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WANT TO SEE IN THE RESOLUTION
AND MAYBE ASK ABOUT IT, WHO HAS SOME TYPE OF BACKGROUND AND
DEALING WITH BUDGETS AND FINANCING, YOU KNOW.
AND AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE SOMEONE --
3:11:49PM >> YOU BROUGHT UP TWO POINT.
THE FIRST ONE IS KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT IT'S CALLED THE CITIZENS.
NOT EVERY CITIZEN IS FINANCIAL SAVVY BUT YET THEY STILL KNOW
WHAT THEY WANT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SECOND POINT YOU MADE WAS MEETING.
MR. MASSEY, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MET.
DO YOU KNOW?
3:12:14PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS.
3:12:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JULY?
3:12:20PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE EXACT LAST DATE THEY HAD PROBLEMS WITH
A QUORUM, AND THEN THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THE NOTICE AS
WELL.
3:12:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
BUT IT HASN'T BEEN A CONSISTENT MONTH IN, MONTH OUT?
3:12:32PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
NO.
3:12:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO'S AIDE THOUGH VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE NOTES ON ONE
SECTION BUT THERE WASN'T A QUORUM.
AND THEN I BELIEVE MS. CORENTIA VOLUNTEERED THIS LAST TIME
SO THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THERE TAKING NOTE.
WE ARE MOVING ON.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PASS 75 NOW OR WAIT
TILL THE CONSENT AGENDA?
3:12:57PM >> MOVE 75.
3:13:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY

COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 75.
3:13:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE WE SAYING WE ARE PASSING
THIS AS IS OR MAKE SOMETHING RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADD TO THIS?
3:13:13PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK YOU OUGHT TO PASS IT NOW BECAUSE
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMMITTEE NOW BECAUSE YOU NEVER HAD
A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT ANYONE TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO THIS AT LEAST GETS THOSE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE AND GETS
THEM IN WITH REQUISITE TERM.
WE CAN ALWAYS OBVIOUSLY COME BACK, EITHER MR. SHELBY OR ME,
AND AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO ADDRESS SOME OTHER ISSUES.
3:13:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DONE.
3:13:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DID YOU MAKE A MOTION?
3:13:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 75.
3:13:42PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IF YOU ALL SO CHOOSE, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND
MOVE THE RESOLUTION THAT'S UNDER 75 AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO
MAKE A MOTION AFTER THAT, LET'S FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SOME
ADDITIONAL CHANGES.
3:13:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
3:13:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 75 SAY
AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
3:14:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE THAT MOTION NOW?
I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ITEM 75 THAT'S JUST BEEN APPROVED
FOR THE BUDGET ADVISORY TO COME BACK WITH A DISCUSSION OF

FUTURE MEMBERS.
3:14:19PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
DO YOU HAVE A DATE TO COME BACK?
IF YOU WOULD DESCRIPTIVE GIVE US JUST 60 DAYS.
3:14:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
60 DAYS, MADAM CLERK?
3:14:35PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SO TWO MONTHS.
WHAT DATE?
3:14:37PM >>THE CLERK:
OCTOBER 20th.
3:14:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OCTOBER 20?
3:14:43PM >> MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED --
3:14:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL SECOND IT.
3:14:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND IT.
3:14:51PM >> IS THE.
3:14:53PM >> ALL IN FAVOR?
I OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
22 AND 23 IS ALREADY GONE.
WE ARE GOING TO THE COMMITTEE REPORTS AND CONSENT AGENDA
ITEMS, GO TO NUMBER 24.
IT'S FILE TA/CPA 21-27.
3:15:11PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
ITEM NUMBER 24 IS JUST AN ORDINANCE TO CORRECT A SCRIVENER'S
ERROR ON A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED AND ADOPTED
BY CITY COUNCIL BACK IN JULY.
COUNCIL MIGHT RECALL THAT THIS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT WAS TO
ADOPT THE TEN-YEAR WATER FACILITIES WORK PLAN, AND THAT

EXHIBIT C TO THAT ORDINANCE INCLUDED A REFERENCE TO PURE,
WHICH IN COUNCIL DISCUSSION DURING PUBLIC HEARING IT WAS
AGREED THAT THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AFTER ADOPTION OF THE
ORDINANCE.
WE DISCOVERED THAT THE INCORRECT EXHIBIT, WHICH INCLUDED THE
REFERENCE TO PURE, WAS WHAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE.
SO THIS ORDINANCE CORRECTING THE SCRIVENER'S ERROR WOULD
SUBSTITUTE OUT THE EXHIBIT C THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY
COUNCIL.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE REFERENCE TO PURE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO ACHIEVE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
3:16:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:16:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL TAKE IT.
3:16:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON
TO TAKE IT, PLEASE.
3:16:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I NEED TO READ IT, RIGHT?
AND THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE TA/CPA 21-27, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING ORDINANCE 2022-115 PASSED AND ORDAINED BY THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ON JULY 14, 2022, CORRECTING A
SCRIVENER'S ERROR BY SUBSTITUTING A NEW EXHIBIT C FOR THE
PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EXHIBIT C TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE
EXHIBIT C ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, PROVIDING FOR

SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:16:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:16:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:16:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:16:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:16:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:16:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:17:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:17:01PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER
15th AT 9:30 A.M.
3:17:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 26.
3:17:12PM >>MCLANE EVANS:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
ITEM NUMBER 25 IS AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 26, ARTICLE 7, OF
CITY CODE REGARDING THE GREASE ORDINANCE.
THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE THAT IS OCCURRING IS TO COMPLY WITH
SENATE BILL 1110 THAT WAS JUST PASSED IN 2022 LEGISLATIVE
SESSION AND WENT INTO EFFECT JULY 1st OF THIS YEAR.
IT PROHIBITS A PRACTICE CALLED PUMP AND RETURN GREASE
HAULING.
THE DIRECTOR OF WASTEWATER ERIC WEISS IS AVAILABLE BY CCMT
FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS AM I.

3:17:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN?
3:17:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING K AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 26
UTILITIES, ARTICLE 7, GREASE MANAGEMENT REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICTS THEREWITH
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:18:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:18:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:18:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:18:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:18:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:18:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:18:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:18:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:18:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:18:26PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 15,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
3:18:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
3:18:36PM >> SO MOVE 26, 27 AND 28.

3:18:40PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
28 HAS BEEN REMOVED.
3:18:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M SORRY.
26 AND 27.
3:18:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY VIERA, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS, RECREATION AND -- I'M
SORRY.
ITEM NUMBER 28.
OH, FOR DISCUSSION?
3:19:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE WAS GOING TO BE HERE FROM TPD.
WELL, ABOUT 28, ITEM NUMBER 28, COME ON UP.
3:19:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID YOU A YOU WILL SEE THIS STORY DROPPED
WHILE WE WERE AT LUNCH TODAY?
3:19:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DID NOT SEE THAT ARTICLE BUT I DO KNOW
ABOUT THE PROCESS WHICH IS WHY I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD FOR
DISCUSSION.
3:19:44PM >> TRAVIS MOSS, CAPTAIN WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT VIOLENT
CRIME BUREAU.
3:19:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP TODAY IS
BECAUSE -- AND THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT
SHOTSPOTTER, AND EVERYONE CAN READ THE REPORT LATER, BUT THE
REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP IS BECAUSE THIS IS A PROGRAM

SHOTSPOTTER, IT'S SUPPOSED TO LISTEN FOR GUNSHOTS, AND THEN
ALERT THE POLICE, SO THAT THEY CAN INTO TO THE AREA WHERE
THEY HEAR THE GUNSHOTS, AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU JUST
GOOGLE SHOT SPOTTER, AND YOU WILL SEE THINGS IN DEPARTMENTS
WHERE IT WORKS VERY WELL, IN DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY DECIDED
IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM.
SO WHAT I WANTED WAS, MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE THAT TPD COME
BACK WITH A SWAT REPORT FOR US, THE STRENGTHS, THE
WEAKNESSES, THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE THREATS OF THIS
PROGRAM, BECAUSE OF WHAT I HAVE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE REST OF
THE COUNTRY, AND ON THIS PROGRAM, AND I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT
THE CITY'S RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
SO THIS $280,000, ARE WE SEEING THIS AS A SUCCESSFUL -- IS
THIS HELPING OUR COMMUNITY?
WHERE WE WOULD RATHER SPEND THAT $280,000 ON THREE OR FOUR,
HOWEVER MANY MORE OFFICERS THAT MIGHT PROVIDE?
I JUST WANTED A REPORT THAT THIS EXPLAINS IT.
AND I TALKED TO CHIEF O'CONNOR ABOUT THIS, AND SHE
RECOMMENDED COMING BACK ON OCTOBER 27, WHICH IS WHEN WE ARE
HAVING A SAFETY DISCUSSION ANYWAY.
SO THAT'S AMENABLE TO ME.
SO MY MOTION IS THAT TPD COME BACK WITH A SWAT REPORT ON THE
SHOT SPOTTER PROGRAM AND THE CITY'S RETURN ON INVESTMENT ON
THIS PROGRAM ON OCTOBER 27, 2022.
3:21:44PM >> SECOND.

3:21:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOTION BY HURTAK, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
3:21:52PM >> WE WILL BE PREPARED.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
3:21:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS, RECREATION, CULTURE
COMMITTEE.
3:21:59PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE YOU PULL REPORT ON THAT COMMITTEE
ITEM 29 HAS BEEN PULLED.
3:22:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE 30 THROUGH 49.
3:22:10PM >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
DISCUSSION ON 29?
I AM GOING TO GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:22:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF.
IF I COULD JUST STATE, THE COMPANY BY WHICH I AM CURRENTLY
RETAINED HAS A CONTRACT WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ALTHOUGH WE
DON'T WORK ON THIS ISSUE, I AM GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF.
THANK YOU.
3:22:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:22:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS ITEM IS ABOUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND WHEN I READ THIS ITEM, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF HOW, WHEN I

WAS A KID, AND HOW WHEN MANY OF US WERE KIDS, THAT OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL, AFTER SCHOOL, WE COULD GO PLAY ON THE
PLAYGROUND, IN THE FIELD, ON THE BASKETBALL COURTS, DO IT ON
THE WEEKENDS, DO IT ALL SUMMER.
AND NOW WITH THE ADVENT OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, MANY OF THOSE
OPEN SPACES HAVE BEEN FENCED OFF FOR STUDENT SECURITY.
BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO UTILIZE THOSE FACILITIES,
WHICH WAS A BIGGER STRAIN ON OUR PARKS SYSTEM.
SO I SAW THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND I WAS REALLY EXCITED
ABOUT IT.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LOVE, I WOULD LOVE FOR THE PARKS AND REC
DEPARTMENT TO COME BACK WITH A REPORT ON THE CURRENT LOCAL
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD TO INCLUDE
WHAT CAN BE DONE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF INTERLOCAL
AGREEMENTS SO CITIZENS CAN UTILIZE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
DO YOU HAVE A DATE THAT WOULD WORK FOR YOU?
3:23:52PM >> PARKS AND RECREATION.
I CAN GET BACK TO YOU.
I KNOW RECENTLY BACK IN MAY YOU GUYS ACTUALLY APPROVED THE
GENERAL AGREEMENT AND IN THERE WE DID PUT VERBIAGE THAT
PARKS AND RECREATION THROUGH MY OFFICE HAS THE RIGHT TO
REQUEST ADDITIONAL SPACE WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND VICE
VERSA. SO WE DO HAVE SHARED SERVICE WHERE IS THEY UTILIZE
OUR FACILITIES, POOLS, CROSS COUNTRY TEAMS, TENNIS TEAMS,

AND SO WE PUT IN THERE TO ALSO HAVE THAT, TO RECIPROCATE, SO
THAT WAS ADDED MAY OF THIS YEAR.
BUT WE WILL GO BACK AND SEE HOW AS YOU MENTIONED WE UTILIZE
THAT SPACE A LITTLE MORE.
3:24:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALSO, HOW ARE WE UTILIZING IT?
ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACES.
3:24:42PM >> RIGHT NOW THE NEW TAMPA, SO UTILIZE YOUTH SOCCER, BENITO,
WE HAVE THE FIELD ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL.
SO WE USE IT A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE NOT AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD
LIKE BUT YES, WE DO UTILIZE IT IN A SMALL PART.
3:25:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT MOTION WILL BE FOR OCTOBER 27, 2022.
3:25:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SEG
SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
3:25:23PM >> WE DID TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT BUT IT IS THE SAME ONE WE
UTILIZE FOR TEMPLE TERRACE, PLANT CITY, VERY BROAD, SO THEN
WE DID OUR COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT DIRECTLY WITH US WITH THE
CITY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE VERBIAGE OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DIRECTOR HAS THE RIGHT TO REQUEST SPACE WITHIN THE SCHOOL
SYSTEM.
3:25:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
3:25:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:25:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANTED TO THANK YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR

ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON ITEM NUMBER 29.
I REMEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT AT A COMMUNITY
MEETING, I THINK IT WAS TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, MS.
ALEXANDER GILMORE, WHO LIVES IN TAMPA PALMS AVENUE, WHO RAN
FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2020, IF MEMORY
SERVES ME RIGHT, SAND A VERY NICE LADY, BROUGHT THIS ISSUE
UP IN YOUR OFFICE WORKING WITH HER, WORKING WITH TRACY
FALCOWITZ OF TAMPA PALMS, A PARTNER OVER AT BANCO LOPEZ, SO
THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY WONDERFUL THING.
BUT I WANTED TO THANK YOU, YOUR OFFICE AND FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP AND HARD WORK, AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR
POINTING OUT THE GREATNESS OF THIS AND SEEING IT HAPPEN
ACROSS MORE PARKS IN TAMPA, BUT IT IS A WONDERFUL THING.
SO THANK YOU.
3:26:41PM >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE KIND WORDS.
3:26:44PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I INDICATED THAT WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A
REPORT BACK IN 60 DAYS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS
AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AS WELL SPECIFICALLY.
3:26:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE STILL HAVE THIS MOTION THAT WASN'T VOTED
ON BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU THEN TAKE 29?

3:27:14PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE RESOLUTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ
THAT.
3:27:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, PUBLIC WORKS.
3:27:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 50 THROUGH 70.
3:27:32PM >> SECOND.
3:27:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
3:27:43PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
69 AND 70 --
3:27:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY.
THEN 68.
APOLOGIES.
3:27:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FINANCE COMMITTEE.
3:27:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE ITEM 71, 73, 74, 75 HAS BEEN
DEALT WITH, 76 AND 77, 72.
3:28:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?

OKAY.
YOU WANT TO DISCUSS 76?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:28:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
AND MY QUESTION ON THIS WAS, THIS WAS ABOUT PRINTING AND THE
MAILING OF UTILITIES BILLS AND I THOUGHT $250,000 IS A LOT
OF MONEY.
WE REALLY SHOULD BE SENDING THESE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND
WHEN I FOUND OUT THERE'S 141,000 UTILITIES EVERY MONTH STILL
BEING MAILED I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHY, AND JUST SORT OF
BRING THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL, AND WHAT WE AS A
COUNCIL CAN DO TO REDUCE THAT.
3:28:43PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE DO HAVE ABOUT 10,000 OF OUR CUSTOMERS THAT RECEIVE THEM
ELECTRONIC BILLS, AND THE REMAINDER ARE RECEIVING A HARD
COPY IN THE MAIL.
THAT'S ABOUT 7% OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
THIS PROVIDER, TC DELIVERS, THEY HANDLE BOTH SCENARIOS, SO
THEY WILL HANDLE OUR ELECTRONIC BILLS AS WELL AS THE HARD
COPY BILLS.
AND OUR CUSTOMER MUST HAVE THE MEANS TO RECEIVE THE
ELECTRONIC BILL AND THEN ASK US FOR IT OR OPT IN.
SO I DO HAVE GOOD NEWS.
WE HAVE AN UPCOMING NEW CUSTOMER PORTAL THAT'S CALLED SILVER
BLADES AND IT SHOULD BE IN PLACE IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

WE HAD TO POST MONEY IT BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE
IMPLEMENTED AT THE SAME TIME AS OUR UPGRADE FOR OUR NEW
UTILITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
HOWEVER, CIANTA DID NOT HAVE THE LEE SOURCES TO DO BOTH SO
WE HAD TO POSTPONE A LITTLE BIT.
HAVING SAID THAT, WE PLAN TO MARKET THE E-BILL OPTION.
WE REALLY HAVE, WHEN WE GO OUT WITH SILVER BLADES AND WHEN
WE GO LIVE WITH SILVER BLADES.
THAT SHOULD CUT DOWN THE COST.
3:30:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
DID YOU SAY ONLY 10,000 PEOPLE GET THEIR BILLS?
3:30:21PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
CORRECT.
BY E-BILL, YES.
3:30:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND WE HAVE HOW MANY ACCOUNTS?
3:30:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT WAS 7%, SO THAT WOULD BE I THINK YOU
HAVE ABOUT 150,000 ACCOUNTS.
AND THAT WOULD BE -- THE ACCOUNTS ARE WATER, WASTEWATER AND
SOLID WASTE.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S ONLY THE WATER --
3:30:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
3:30:43PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
3:30:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS THINKING 400,000 HOMES.
WOW.
OKAY.
THEN I AM REALLY GLAD ABOUT THIS.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WHEN I GET THAT ONLINE, GETTING AN
UPDATE ON HOW WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE TO USE THAT SERVICE.
IT'S SO MUCH FASTER AND EASIER FOR ME.
BARED BARRED I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SOME
CUSTOMERS THAT PREFER THE PAPER BILL.
3:31:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE ALWAYS WILL BE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF
PEOPLE GET THEIR BILLS ELECTRONICALLY.
3:31:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DEMAND GUDES.
3:31:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S A NORMAL THING TO DO THIS, BUT I CAN
TELL YOU A LOT IN MY COMMUNITIES, THEY PREFER THAT PAPER
BILL.
HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I KNOW I GET MY BILL, I KNOW IT'S
THERE, AND SOMETIMES WITH THE E-MAILS, YOU CAN SEE ALL THIS
STUFF, YOU PASS IT BY, BUT ANYTHING THOSE WHO WANT IT, A LOT
OF COMPANIES, THEY KNOW THAT SOME DO AND SOME DON'T.
SO I DON'T WANT TO FORCE ANYBODY TO DO IT SO WE CAN KIND OF
GRADUALLY GET THEM TO DO WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO.
3:31:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:31:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN ONLY SPEAK LIKE MR. GUDES, I CAN
ONLY TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NO INTERNET AND I DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING BUT THE LOCAL STATION SO I WILL NEVER GET A BILL.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:32:11PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES, SIR.
[ LAUGHTER ]
3:32:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO ABOUT 7%.

WHAT'S THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE, THE UTILITIES ASPIRE TO BE
LIKE?
3:32:30PM >> I CAN GET THAT FOUR.
I DON'T HAVE THAT HERE.
I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE STILL PLENTY OF UTILITIES THAT DO
NOT HAVE THE OPTION OF E-BILL.
BUT I CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK WITH THAT.
3:32:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AND IT'S
NOT A TRICK QUESTION.
DO YOU THINK A LOT OF CITIES HAVE MORE THAN 50% OR IS IT
MORE LIKE 20%?
3:32:50PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I WOULD THINK LARGER UTILITIES WOULD TEND TO
HAVE MORE, ARE MOVING TOWARD E-BILL WHERE SOME OF THE
SMALLER ONES ARE NOT.
THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS.
3:33:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:

3:33:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING WHEN YOU
BROUGHT UP THAT.
MANY MOONS AGO THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN IN MEXICO.
DO YOU KNOW ONE OF THE SEVEN OR EIGHT COMPANIES THAT HE
OWNED?
HE OWNS A MECHANISM OF PAYING YOUR WATER AND YOUR ELECTRIC
BILL WITHOUT EVER TAKING A METER READING.
THE METERS WERE DIFFERENT, AND INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, OLD OR
BRAND NEW HOUSE, WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WHEN YOU MOVED

IN, IT WOULD HAVE A METER INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, AND WOULD YOU
PAY YOUR WATER BILL AND THEY WILL TELL YOU HOW MUCH TIME YOU
HAD LEFT ON WATER AND HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAD LEFT, AND YOU
WANT TO PAY $50 ON WATER YOU PUT 50 IN AND WHEN YOUR 50 WENT
OUT YOU KNOW IT WAS COME.
SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BILL NOTHING, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY
ANYTHING, AND THIS KID SAID NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:34:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE 72?
3:34:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR, I WILL.
3:34:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAVE BUILDING ZONING AND
PRESERVATION.
3:34:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE 78 THROUGH 94.
3:34:25PM >> SECOND.
3:34:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I SAY SOMETHING ON AN ITEM, MR. CHAIR?
3:34:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
3:34:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FOR 87 YOU WILL NOTICE THAT APPROVES META
POINT BOULEVARD, K-BAR RANCH, FOR THE CONNECTOR THERE.
THE COMMUNITY OUT AT K-BAR RANCH HAS BEEN WAITING FOR US TO
PASS THIS FOR A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME.
AND THIS IS GOING TO SAVE PEOPLE IN THEIR ROUTE TO GO FROM
K-BAR RANCH INTO PASCO COUNTY AREAS 20, 30 MINUTES A DAY ON

CERTAIN DAYS.
SO THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL FOR A LOT OF OUR
CONSTITUENTS OUT IN THE NEW TAMPA, K-BAR RANCH AREA, AND AS
SOON AS MR. CHAIRMAN SIGNS OFF ON IT AND AS SOON AS THE
MAYOR SIGNS OFF ON IT, IT WILL BE OPEN.
SO THEY ARE VERY MUCH ANTICIPATING THIS.
IT WAS VERY BRIEFLY OPENED, GOSH, MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO FOR
OTHER REASONS, AND THE COMMUNITY THOUGHT IT WAS OPENED
PERMANENTLY.
THEN IT GOT CLOSED SO THERE WHATS A LOT OF CONFUSION.
SO PEOPLE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO THIS DAY.
SO THAT'S ALL.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:35:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOING BACK, WHO SECONDED COUNCILMAN
CARLSON'S?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST SAYING THE LAST THREE ITEMS.
92, 93 AND 94 WERE THROUGH CRA.
HOWEVER, THE CITY COUNCIL STILL HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS.
SO MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
3:36:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE ITEMS 95 IT THROUGH 98.
3:36:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:36:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
3:36:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SET ITEMS 99 AND 100 WITH THEIR DATES
FOR THE RENEW, OCTOBER 6, 2022 ON ITEM 9 AND OCTOBER
20th, 2022 ON ITEM NUMBER 100, BOTH FOR 1:30 P.M.
3:36:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:36:37PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ITEM NUMBER 99 THERE WAS A SUBSTITUTE
RESOLUTION.
3:36:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE SUBSTITUTE FOR ITEM 99.
3:36:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND ON THE SUBSTITUTE.
3:36:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
91 TO 100, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
3:36:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SET ITEM NUMBER 100 OF -- AT 1:30 P.M.
3:37:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:37:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
WE DID OPEN THE 9:30 HEARINGS, CORRECT?

3:37:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
3:37:19PM >> WE SEW WE TOOK CARE OF 101 THROUGH 107.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WHICH ARE NONQUASI-JUDICIAL.
LET'S GO TO 108.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:37:48PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THIS IS THE SECOND READING FOR AN ORDINANCE
THAT WILL AMEND THE REGULATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL TRY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
3:37:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR
MR. COTTON?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO 108?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:38:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM E-2022-8
CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
RELATING TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS
MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES
CHAPTER 27 ZONING CODE, AMENDING SECTION 27-43 DEFINITIONS,
AMENDING SECTION 27-283.11, VEHICLE PARKING, REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:38:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:38:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:38:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:38:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:38:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:38:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:39:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:39:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:39:01PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:39:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 109.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:39:13PM >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS AMENDING TO THE ALCOHOL REGULATIONS TO SHORTEN UP
THE TIME FRAME FOR PUBLIC NOTICE DOWN TO 15 DAYS IN THE
EVENT THAT COUNCIL FINDS HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE IS IN
DANGER BECAUSE OF A ZONING ISSUE, TAKING PLACE ON THE
PROPERTY.
THAT SERVES OR SELLS ALCOHOL.
3:39:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
ANY CONTINUE CONTINUES COMMENTS?
SEEING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
3:39:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
SALES NOTICE TIME FRAME, MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA
CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 27, ZONING CODE, AMENDING
SECTION 27-318, EXPIRATION, SUSPENSION, AND REVOCATION OF
APPROVALS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, POSTING OF NOTICE
FOR DISCONTINUANCE OF SALES, EVIDENCE OF RESUMPTION OF
SALES, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:40:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:40:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:40:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:40:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:40:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:40:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:40:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:40:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:40:48PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:40:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AGENDA ITEM 110.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
MR. COTTON.
3:40:59PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS THE SECOND READING FOR ORDINANCE ADOPTING GRAYWATER
AS A RESULT OF A CHANGE IN FLORIDA STATUTES THAT ALLOWS FOR
BONUS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF
GRAYWATER AS DEVELOPMENT CLASSES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
3:41:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:41:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:41:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:41:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:41:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FILE E 2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA REMITTING TO
ADDING GRAYWATER AS A BONUS PROVISION MAKING REVISIONS TO
THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 ZONING AND
LAND DEVELOPMENT AMENDING SECTION 27-140 BONUS PROVISIONS,
REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.

3:42:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:42:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:42:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:42:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:42:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:42:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:42:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:42:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:42:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CITRO, YES.
3:42:21PM >>THE CLERK:
METEOROLOGIST CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:42:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 111.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:42:31PM >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 27 TO AMEND THE DEFINITION
OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF TO MAKE IT AS THE
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
AGAIN THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO LEGISLATION FROM THE STATE OF
FLORIDA THAT WOULD HAVE PREEMPTED US FROM DOING DESIGN
STANDARDS IN DESIGN DISTRICTS.
3:42:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO
COMMENT?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:43:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM NUMBER 111, FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER
27, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READ BEING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE.
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
COMPLIANCE STAFF DRC MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT,
AMENDING SECTION 27-43, DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-66,
INTENT AND PURPOSE, AMENDING SECTION 27-67, DUTIES,
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:43:45PM >> SECOND.
3:43:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:43:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:43:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:44:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:44:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:44:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:44:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

3:44:05PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:44:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 112.
FAIL E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
MR. COTTON.
3:44:17PM >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 27 AGAIN.
BASICALLY A CHANGE TO PRIMARILY TO DEFINE WHAT A STREET CAFE
IS, AS THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WAS IN EFFECT DURING COVID TO
ALLOW PEOPLE TO USE PARKING SPACES IF THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK
CAFE PERMIT, THEY CAN EXPAND INTO LIKE THE AVAILABLE PARKING
SPACES IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS DOWNTOWN OR OTHER PARTS OF
THE CITY, WHEREVER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
3:44:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:44:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:44:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:45:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE FILE NUMBER E-2022-8 CH 27, ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE.
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO STREET CAFE MAKING

REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 27,
ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43,
DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-127, CLASSES OF SPECIAL USE
PERMITS, AGENT OR BODY RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH GENERAL
PROCEDURE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS
OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:45:39PM >> SECOND.
3:45:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:45:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:45:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:45:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:45:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:45:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:45:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:45:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:45:53PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:45:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 113.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
MR. COTTON.
3:46:03PM >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PARKING REGULATIONS TO CODIFY

REGULATIONS FOR STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR THOSE KIND OF MIXED USE
DEVELOPMENTS IN THE STANDARD.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER
THEM FOR YOU.
3:46:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:46:29PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:46:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:46:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE ITEM OVER-ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES CITY OF
TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 ZONING AND LAND
DEVELOPMENT AMENDING SECTION 27-283.7 NUMBER OF OFF-STREET
PARKING SPACES, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR
PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:47:01PM >> SECOND.
3:47:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:47:09PM >>CARL BRODY:
CARL BRODY, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SORRY.

3:47:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
3:47:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:47:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:47:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:47:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:47:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:47:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:47:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:47:28PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:47:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
WE NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 114.
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3:48:01PM >> WE DISCUSSED BACK ON JULY 14th REGARDING THE BAN THE
BOX.
WITH ONE MAJOR CHANGE -- NOT MAJOR CHANGE.
ONE CHANGE.
AFTER MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, THERE WAS CONCERN REGARDING
A SECTION THAT ALLOWED FOR AN EXEMPTION.
BASICALLY A FULL EXEMPTION FOR ANY COMPANY THAT HIRED A
DISADVANTAGED WORKER.
THERE WAS CONCERN FROM SOME IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS MIGHT
BE ABUSED WHEREIN A COMPANY MIGHT HIRE DISADVANTAGED
WORKERS, GET THE EXEMPTION, AND THEN FIRE THEM.
WE FIXED THAT BY PUTTING IN A CLOSE-OUT REQUIREMENT.
SO AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, PRIOR TO RECEIVING FINAL

PAYMENT, ANY COMPANY THAT RECEIVES AN EXEMPTION WILL HAVE TO
FILE A FINAL CLOSE-OUT COMPLIANCE REPORT.
THAT WILL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT THEY DID FOLLOW THROUGH
ON THEIR COMMITMENT.
THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE WE HAVE FROM THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE.
3:49:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:49:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU ALL'S WORK ON THIS.
I KNOW WE WERE SPEAKING ON THIS CHANGE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT THIS ORDINANCE PUSHES THIS ISSUE FORWARD WITH
SOME REAL GOOD RESULTS, AND SO THIS IS GOING TO MAKE SURE
THAT IF A CONTRACTOR TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THIS AND GETS THE
EXTRA POINTS THAT WE CAN VERIFY THAT THEY HAVE IN FACT HIRED
THESE INDIVIDUALS AND COMPLIED WITH THE GOOD POLICY THAT WE
WANT TO PUT FAD.
THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT THE REVEREND BERNICE JACKSON WAS
SPEAKING TO EARLIER.
THIS IS A VERY GOOD ORDINANCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUT IT
TOGETHER WITH $150,000 APPRENTICESHIP INVESTMENT.
WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE COUNTY IS
GOING TO BE MAKING FOR A TEST PILOT PROGRAM FOR RETURNING
CITIZENS FOR STATE CERTIFIED APPRENTICESHIPS, REALLY MOVING
THIS FORWARD.
SO ALL IN ALL THIS GIVES INCENTIVES TO BAN THE BOX, GIVES

INCENTIVES FOR CONTRACTORS TO HIRE RETURNING CITIZENS, AND
THEN COUPLED WITH SUM OF MONEY WE ARE PUTTING FORWARD, THIS
PUTS FORWARD APPRENTICESHIPS AND TRAINING AND LIFE SKILLS
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING PRISON WHO JUST WANT TO WORK HARD
TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA FOR ME IS PRO-WORK, IT IS PRO-FAMILY,
ABOUT ONE IN THREE HOUSEHOLDS, OR ONE IN THREE PEOPLE IN THE
UNITED STATES HAVE HAD SOME SORT OF CONTACT WITH THE PRISON
SYSTEM.
SO THIS EFFECTS SO MANY DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS.
YOU TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GO, WELL, THIS DOESN'T HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME, BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN PRISON,
I HAVE NEVER BEEN ARREST OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
WELL, ODDS ARE THAT IT DOES WITH THAT STATISTIC.
BUT EVEN ON A BIGGER LEVEL THIS IS AN ISSUE ON WHICH WE AS A
SOCIETY FAIL MISERABLY, EVERY YEAR ABOUT 700,000 AMERICANS
ARE RELEASED FROM THE PRISON SYSTEM, AND WITHIN THREE YEARS,
TWO OUT OF THREE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE REARRESTED.
THAT'S A FAILURE THAT RESULTS IN BROKEN FAMILIES, BROKEN
COMMUNITIES, MORE VIOLENCE AND MORE CRIME.
SO LOCAL GOVERNMENT TAKING STEPS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THIS
ISN'T SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL LOOKED AT FOR A REALLY LONG
TIME.
I KNOW THAT WE LOOKED AT BAN THE BOX AND DID IT FOR THE CITY
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TALKED TO THE CONTRACTING

COMMUNITY AND GO, LOOK, THERE ARE CERTAIN VALUES WE HAVE IN
THIS CITY, RIGHT?
AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU INCENTIVES TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
THAT COUPLED WITH THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM IS GOING TO
MAKE A REAL STATEMENT BUT I DO WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF
RETURNING CITIZENS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS
WHICH IS WHY WE WILL BE LOOKING AT IT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS
HOW THIS IS GOING AN SEE THE STEPS THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE
THIS, AND THE POSITIVE EFFECTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN.
SO AGAIN WE WORKED WITH YOU GUYS FOR A WHILE ON THIS.
ALSO I WANTED TO MENTION LASTLY, IF I MAY THAT WE HAD SOME
GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS ON THIS WHO GAVE US THAT VERY GOOD
INFORMATION FROM THE FLORIDA RIGHTS RESTORATION COALITION,
WORKING WITH A LOT OF FOLKS INCLUDING MR. NEIL VOLTS, APRIL
BROWN, AND OUR FRIEND AT THE JEWISH CENTER, INCLUDING MY
GOOD FRIEND JOE PROBASCO.
SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT A LOT OF PEOPLE
AND TAKE VALUES BASED STAND ON WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO
DO.
THANK YOU.
3:52:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT REALLY A FAN
OF BAN THE BOX AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REALLY WORKS,
BECAUSE IF I CHECK THE BOX AND I GO IN, AND I KNOW WHAT THE
OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE IN THE END.

IT'S HAPPENED TOO MANY TIMES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I'M GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT THIS NEW PIECE IN THERE
BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, TOO.
BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GET ON THE JOB SITE.
BECAUSE THEY WILL COME IN FOR A DAY OR TWO, AND LET THEM GO
BECAUSE THEIR INSURANCE CARRIER WON'T ALLOW THEM TO HIRE
THEM BUT THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO GET THE CONTRACT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE HALLWAY.
SEEN IT MANY TIMES.
I'M GLAD WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE.
I'M HAPPY WITH.
THAT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN SIX MONTHS HOW EFFECTIVE WE
ARE WITH CONTRACTS.
WHO IS GOING TO BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR?
IS THE TRAIN REALLY MOVING?
EVERY DAY PEOPLE GET LET OUT OF PRISON.
JUST HAD MY SON -- HE CAME HOME, HE HAD CALL WAITING, A
CLEANING SERVICE HE'S WORKING WITH SO HE HAD SOMEONE TO HELP
HIM MOVING RIGHT AWAY.
MOST OF THEM COME OUT, THEY WENT IN BECAUSE THEY GOT NOBODY,
THEY COME BACK TO GRANDMA, WATCH THEM ALL DAY ALL THEIR LIFE
AND STILL GOT NOTHING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SO I AM GLAD THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
HOPE IT WILL BE A LITTLE STRONGER FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO DO
CONTRACTING.
AND FIND A WAY THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH THEIR INSURANCE
CARRIERS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A FACTOR WORKING WITH THE INSURANCE
CARRIER.
BUT HOPEFULLY YOU WILL GET SOME THAT WILL WORK WITH US, BUT
I STILL SAY YOU HAVE TO FIND DOWN THE ROAD SOMETHING TO HELP
THEM -- TO HELP US TO REALLY MAKE IT WORK.
YOU KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH.
NOW IT'S AN ISSUE.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE I AM
GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
CATALYST TO REALLY MAKING THIS THING REALLY WORK.
BUT I AM HAPPY TO BRING THIS FORWARD AND MR. VIERA TO KIND
OF PUSH THIS ALONG.
BUT I TOLD YOU AS A PERSON THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE, SOME OF
THE ROADBLOCKS.
I THINK YOU GOT RID OF ONE OF THEM.
WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW WELL WE ARE DONE.
3:55:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?

3:55:15PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:55:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WILL YOU READ THE SUBSTITUTE?
3:55:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 5,
DIVISION 3 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION 2.284 BIDDERS
CRIMINAL HISTORY SCREENING PRACTICES, SAID AMENDMENT
PROVIDING FOR THE REVISION OF THE PROCUREMENT EVALUATION
PROCESS FOR THE PURPOSE MUCH INCENTIVIZING CONTRACTORS, TO
HIRE DISADVANTAGED WORKERS, REQUIRING CONTRACTORS WHO ARE
AWARDED PROJECTS AND RECEIVE INCENTIVES IN THE PROCUREMENT
EVALUATION PROCESS TO SHOW GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO EMPLOY
DISADVANTAGED WORKERS REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:56:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:56:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:56:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:56:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES OH [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:56:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO OUR 9:30.

3:56:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN 115 TO 126.
3:56:31PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I DID HAVE A QUESTION FROM MRS. HAMILTON.
SHE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WHATS THE INTENT OF COUNCIL NOT
TO MOVE THE AMENDMENT 3 FOR THE SHOT SPOTTER AGREEMENT UNTIL
YOU GOT THE REPORT OR DID YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE
THAT?
BECAUSE --
3:56:47PM >> WE MOVED IT.
YES, WE DID.
3:56:51PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU.
3:56:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME ANYONE GIVING ANY EVIDENCE
TODAY OR MAKING ANY COMMENTS, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND TO BE
SWORN IN?
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
3:57:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM 115.
SU-2-22-03.
3:57:23PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 115 IS SU-2-22-03 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION FOR 3606 WEST SWANN AVENUE, THE REQUEST
FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 APPROVING A MEDICAL OFFICE IN RO-1
ZONING DISTRICT, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS
WEEK.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:57:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
THANK YOU, MS. BARNES.
3:57:58PM >> CLAY MATTHEWS FROM SMOLKER MATTHEWS ON BEHALF OF THE
APPLICANT, ON A SPECIAL SU-2 APPLICATION, RECEIVED UNANIMOUS
APPROVAL ON FIRST READING.
I ASK YOU TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION ON SECOND
READING.
3:58:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE PETITIONER?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TO
THIS?
3:58:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:58:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:58:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE SU-2-22-03.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 APPROVING A
MEDICAL OFFICE IN AN RO-1 RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, ZONING
DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3606 WEST SWANN AVENUE
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:58:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:58:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:59:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:59:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:59:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:59:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:59:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:59:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:59:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:59:13PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:59:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 116.
FILE REZ-22-26.
3:59:23PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 116 IS REZ 22-26 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION FOR 8102 NORTH TEMPLE CREST CIRCLE AND
8101 NORTH 39th STREET.
REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL
AND CN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USES.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER AT CITY HALL THAT WEEK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
3:59:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
PETITIONER?
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
4:00:02PM >> YES, SIR, I HAVE.
4:00:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE.

WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND?
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
4:00:21PM >> I DO.
4:00:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PETITIONER, PLEASE PROCEED.
4:00:24PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR?
4:00:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
4:00:28PM >> THANK YOU.
DUANE MILFORD, 7720 PULLARA DRIVE, ODESSA, REPRESENTING THE
APPLICANT, AND THIS PETITION HAS BEEN HEARD BY COUNCIL,
RECEIVED EARLIER APPROVAL, AND I AM JUST HERE TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS, WE AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HELP WITH
THIS.
4:00:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE MAKE
ANY COMMENT TO THIS?
4:00:57PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:00:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:01:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FILE REZ 22-26, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 8102 NORTH TEMPLE CREST
CIRCLE AND 8101 NORTH 39th STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,

FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND CN
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
4:01:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
4:01:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:01:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:01:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:01:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:01:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:01:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:01:47PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:01:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:01:48PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:01:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER IS 17, FILE REZ 22-37.
4:02:01PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 117 IS REZ 22-37 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, FOR 1534, 1604, 1608 AND 1614 NORTH
NEBRASKA AVENUE, 711, 805 AND 813 EAST HENDERSON AVENUE,
1313 EAST ESTELLE STREET AND FOLIO NUMBERS 192 OF 62.0000
AND 192,619.0000 TO REZONING FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND YC

35 TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED
AND YC-9 YBOR CITY RESIDENTIAL.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK AT CITY HALL.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:02:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
4:02:49PM >> RYAN MANASSE:
RYAN MANASSE.
WE HAVE MADE ALL CORRECTIONS FROM FIRST READING.
4:03:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO BE SPEAK
TO THIS?
MOTION TO CLOSE AND SECONDED.
4:03:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
ITEM 117, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-37.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IT?
GENERAL VICINITY OF 1534, 1604, 1608, 1614 NORTH NEBRASKA
AVENUE, 711, 805 AND 813 EAST HENDERSON AVENUE, 1313 EAST HE
IS STEEL STREET AND FOLIO NUMBERS 192,662.0000 AND
192,619.0000 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY CG COMMERCIAL
GENERAL AND YC-5 YBOR CITY RESIDENTIAL TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, AND YC-9
YBOR CITY RESIDENTIAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:04:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
4:04:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:04:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:04:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:04:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:04:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:04:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:04:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:04:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:04:35PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:04:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 118.
FILE REZ 22-38.
4:04:42PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 118 IS REZ 22-38, BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, 3201 WEST TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AND 4005
NORTH LINCOLN AVENUE, THE REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY AND PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USES.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY HALL EARLIER THIS WEEK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:05:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS TO MS. BARNES?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
ROW YOU ARE MUTED AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO BE SWORN IN.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

4:05:25PM >> I DO.
4:05:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE PROCEED.
4:05:32PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
ERIN MAYERS.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE MADE ALL THE CORRECTIONS REQUESTED FROM
FIRST READING AND HUMBLY REQUEST APPROVAL IN THE SECOND
READING.
THANK YOU.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:05:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS?
SEEING NONE.
4:05:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:05:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:06:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
4:06:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I APOLOGIZE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:06:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 3201 WEST TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AND 4005
NORTH LINCOLN AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:06:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:06:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:06:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:06:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
4:07:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:07:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:07:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:07:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:07:05PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
MEMBER --
4:07:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE ARE INCLUDING THE BONUS
PROVISION IN THAT?
I THOUGHT THERE WAS.
NO.
4:07:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
WHERE ARE WE AT NOW?
119.
THERE WE GO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SORRY.
I'M MAKE IT UP TO YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
INADVERTENTLY.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 119.
REZ 22-40.
REZ 22-40.
MS. BARNES.
4:07:51PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 119 IS REZ 22-40 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION FOR 110 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM OP OFFICE
PROFESSIONAL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL STRIP SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING BANK,
DRIVE-IN USES.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY HALL EARLIER THIS WEEK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:08:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
PETITIONER.
4:08:27PM >>TRUETT GARDNER:
NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
THIS REZONING AND COMPANION BONUS AGREEMENT WERE BOTH
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED ON JULY 21st.
ALL SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN RESUBMITTED, ALL CHANGES MADE, AND
HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
MR. GUDES, I HAVE A CONFESSION TO MAKE.

LIKE YOU I'M OLD SCHOOL PAPER UTILITY BILL GUY, AND SO I
JUST WANTED TO CONFESS THAT FOR THE RECORD.
4:08:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY HONORABLE, SIR.
4:08:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOT TO TRY BILL PAY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
4:09:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST ONE.
I REMEMBER, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY ON THIS FILE, THE
PARKING RATIO WAS 0.02.
4:09:16PM >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE EXACT RATIO.
210 SPACES PROVIDED.
4:09:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK THERE WAS 0.02, AND I BELIEVE IN
THE PAST THE RATIO THAT UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA USED WAS 0.04.
I KNOW YOU ALL TALK ABOUT THE SKATES AND ALL THAT.
I AM GOING TO HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OVERFLOW, NOT
THAT I AM GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S A
COMMITMENT YOU MADE.
YOU SAID THAT SATISFIES YOUR NEED.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THERE'S OVERPARKING, I DON'T KNOW
WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PARK AT.
4:09:50PM >>TRUETT GARDNER:
WE JUST RAN THE ANALYSIS ON THE REVISIONS
TO THE CBD PARKING CODE WHICH NOW HAS STUDENT HOUSING AS A
USE, AND IF THIS WAS IN THE CBD, AND I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS
ACTUALLY FROM A MOBILITY STANDPOINT BETTER AND MORE
WALKABLE, 58 SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED.

WE ARE PROVIDING 210.
SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE NUMBER.
4:10:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY.
4:10:16PM >>TRUETT GARDNER:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
4:10:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, BUT JUST TO
FINISH ANSWERING THAT QUESTION ALSO, YOU ALL HAD LOOKED AT
OTHER STUDENT HOUSING CENTERS AND HAVE DONE AN EVALUATION ON
WHAT THE PARKING NEEDS WERE.
DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE NUMBERS FOR ANY PUBLIC THAT'S
WATCHING?
4:10:31PM >>TRUETT GARDNER:
CORRECT.
IN PARTICULAR THE SAME DEVELOPER AS THE HENRY DOWNTOWN, LAST
YEAR THAT WAS MORE OF A FRESHMAN DORM, AND SO THEY WERE
BASING THEIR NUMBERS OFF OF THAT, AND FEEL LIKE THEY ARE
OVERPARKED ON THIS DEAL IN COMPARISON TO THE DEMAND THAT'S
CURRENTLY AT THE FOURTH AND 10RY WHICH IS NOW JUST FRESHMAN,
IT'S UPPERCLASSMEN.
4:10:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I SEE MS. WELLS.
4:10:58PM >>CATE WELLS:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I JUST -- CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THE BONUS PROVISION
AGREEMENT WAS NOT APPROVED WHEN THE REZONING WAS APPROVED AT
FIRST READING AND THE BONUS PROVISION AGREEMENT IS ALWAYS
DELAYED UNTIL AFTER SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF THE

REZONING ORDINANCE.
I JUST WANT TO CORRECT THAT FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU OPEN
IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU.
4:11:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I SEE THAT WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
MR. GOSSEN?
HE'S HERE WITH US RIGHT NOW.
4:11:37PM >> MY NAME IS SCOTT GOSSEN, THE DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AND
CONSTRUCTION FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
I APOLOGIZE WE WERE HERE FOR FIRST READING BUT WE DID NOT
RECEIVE THE NOTICE AND WERE UNAWARE OF THE FIRST READING SO
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
I HAVE A STATEMENT HERE PREPARED BY DR. VAUGHAN, OUR
PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY.
OF A 23-STORY STUDENT HOUSING HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
LET ME BE CLEAR IN SAYING WE DO NOT HAVE A CONTRACT OR
AGREEMENT WITH THIS GROUP.
UNFORTUNATELY THEY DID NOT BRIEF US ON THIS PROJECT.
BUT THEY HAVE PROPOSED AS A STUDENT HOUSING OR PLANNED
PARKING.
WHILE WE THINK MORE APARTMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ARE
HELPFUL WE ABSOLUTELY OPPOSE SUCH STRUCTURES BEING PROPOSED
WITHOUT ADEQUATE PARKING.
THE UNIVERSITY PROVIDES IT'S AUTO AFTER HOUSING FOR FRESHMAN

AND SOPHOMORE UNITS, WHILE MOST JUNIORS AND SENIORS THEN
MOVE OFF TO SURROUNDING HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.
APPROXIMATELY 80% OF ALL U TERRITO UPPER CLASSMEN STUDENTS
HAVE CARS IN TAMPA BASED ON OUR CAR REGISTRATION RECORD.
ADEQUATE PARKING FOR FULL TIME STUDENTS WITH CARS MUST BE
PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER OF ANY HOUSING PROJECT AIMED AT
STUDENT RESIDENTS.
IF NOT, THE STUDENT TEN APT CARS WILL CLOG THE AREA STREETS
AROUND THE PROJECT AND BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD AND CITY
PROBLEM. IF THE INTENTION OR EXPECTATION IS FOR THEM TO
PARK ON OUR CAMPUS, COMMUTER STUDENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED
OVERNIGHT PARKING AND AM CAUSE SERIOUS ISSUES FOR THE
UNIVERSITY AND THEIR PARENTS.
THE BURDEN OF PROVING ADEQUATE HOUSING PARKING SHOULD NOT BE
SHIFTED TO THE UNIVERSITY.
THE INTOWN GROUP SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO HAVE ADEQUATE
MULTIFAMILY PARKING AS OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WEST OF THE
UNIVERSITIES HAVE DONE.
BECAUSE OF THE TOTALLY INADEQUATE PARKING PROVIDED ON THIS
23 STORY TOWER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WE STRONGLY OBJECT TO
THE PROJECT, AND THE PROJECT BE DENIED UNTIL THE DEVELOPER
COMES BACK WITH MORE APPROPRIATE PARKING CONSISTENT WITH THE
TAMPA CODE SECTION 27-283.7.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS YOU GUYS REFERENCED THAT LETTER
WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING AT THE HENRY SO I WANT

TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
SO IN ADDITION TO DR. VAUGHAN'S COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO
ADDRESS THE LETTER PROVIDED BY THE IAN GRAY, THE PROPERTY
MANAGER.
THE STATISTICS FOR PARKING USED IN THE 21-22 ACADEMIC YEAR
AND KIND OF A PRELIMINARY STATUS OF THE 22-23 ACADEMIC YEAR.
THE LETTER PROVIDES A MISLEADING IMPRESSION THAT WILL NOT
APPLY TO THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
THE 2021 ACADEMIC YEAR WAS AN ANOMALY FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA, DUE TO THE PANDEMIC AND UNCERTAINTY FACING STUDENT
AND THEIR PARENTS COMMITTING TO THE WHOLE PANDEMIC AND
CLASSES ON LINE, ET CETERA, WE HAD A VERY LATE UNPRECEDENTED
SURGE IN FRESHMEN ENROLLMENT.
TO ADDRESS THIS SURGE WE ALLOCATED FRESHMEN STUDENTS TO LIVE
IN THE HENRY DOWNTOWN THAT WAS REFERENCED IN THE LETTER,
FRESHMAN STUDENTS PER RU T POLICY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE
CARS ON CAMPUS EXCEPT FOR VERY UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE A
VETERAN RETURNING, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THEREFORE, THE HENRY HAS ACCESS PARKING AVAILABLE LAST YEAR
WHICH REALLY DOESN'T A APOCALYPTIC TO FUTURE PARKING USES.
FAST FORWARD TO THIS YEAR WHEN THEY PROVIDED THOSE
STATISTICS.
[BELL SOUNDS]
4:14:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
30 SECONDS MORE.
4:14:55PM >> THANK YOU.

THE PARENTS REQUESTED THE STUDENTS STAY IN THE HEN TRY.
USUALLY WE WOULD BRING SOPHOMORES BACK ON CAMPUS.
BECAUSE THIS WAS A ONE-TIME ACCOMMODATION WE SAID
ABSOLUTELY.
SO IN THE FUTURE WE WILL NOT BE PUSHING FRESHMEN AND SENIORS
OFF CAMPUS AND OUR STATISTICS SHOW 80% OF THESE STUDENTS
DRIVE.
SO WE REQUEST THERE'S A LOT OF THESE APPLICATIONS COMING UP
BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, FIVE OR SIX THAT WE ARE AWARE.
IF WE START APPROVING THESE AT .25 PARKING SPACES PER BED
IT'S GOING TO PUSH BACK ON THE CAMPUS AND PRESENT AN
ENFORCEMENT FOR US AND WE KINDLY REQUEST THAT CITY COUNCIL
TAKE A VERY STRONG LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CREATE
A PROBLEM.
4:15:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
WHAT'S YOUR POSITION?
4:15:42PM >> I AM THE HOUSE ARCHITECT TEXT AT U.T.
4:15:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
MR. GARDNER, OUT OF FAIRNESS, I WILL GIVE YOU EXTRA TIME FOR
REBUTTAL.
4:16:01PM >>TRUETT GARDNER:
ON THAT POINT TAKEN, WE ARE GOING TO WORK
WITH THE UNIVERSITY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT PUTTING A BURDEN
ON THEIR PARKING STRUCTURES.
THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT AT ALL.

OUR DEVELOPER FEELS VERY CONFIDENT THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING
ADEQUATE PARKING AS MENTIONED TO BE APPLIED TO THE NEW CBD
CODE.
WE ARE PROVIDING FOUR TIMES THE AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT WOULD
BE REQUIRED UNDER THE CBD, AND THIS LOCATION IS MORE
WALKABLE AND THE CBD TWO BLOCKS FROM THE SCHOOL.
SO WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T
CREATE A BURDEN ON THEIR PARKING STRUCTURES.
THAT IS NOT THE INTENT AND WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT GIVEN THE
INFORMATION PROVIDED AT THE LAST MEETING AND WAY STATED
TODAY THAT WE WILL ADEQUATELY SERVICE THOSE NEEDS.
4:16:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIR.
4:16:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:16:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WAS A PERSON WHO LIVED ON CAMPUS BEFORE
AND LIVED OFF.
I AM CONCERNED THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE COLLEGE HAS COME
FORTH TODAY WITH A LETTER, AND NO CONVERSATION WITH THE
UNIVERSITY THROUGH THE DIRECTOR OF ARCHITECT AND DESIGN.
I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS TODAY IN REFERENCE TO THAT.
AND I WILL HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCILMEN BUT WE MAY NEED TO
HOLD OFF UNTIL THE APPLICANT MEETS WITH THE SCHOOL.
4:17:23PM >> MR. GUDES, I HEAR YOU ON THAT AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO BE MY
CLIENT ON THAT.
THE ONE THING WHICH MAYBE THE UNIVERSITY NEEDS TO WEIGH ON
THAT IS I KNOW THAT THERE IS A HEAVY NEED FOR HOUSING, AND

THE WAY THIS CONTRACT IS WORKED OUT AND THE WAY THEIR
CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE IS WORKED OUT, BASICALLY WHAT I WAS
TOLD BY MY CLIENT IS A VOTE OF A CONTINUANCE IS BASICALLY A
VOTE OF DENIAL BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T ADEQUATELY SERVICE
THE NEED AND PROVIDE THE HOUSING IN TIME FOR THE 2024 SCHOOL
YEAR IF WE DON'T STAY ON THIS TRACK.
SO AGAIN WE ARE CONFIDENT IN WHAT WE PROVIDED.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE DENIED, BUT WE DO HAVE A
HEAVY NEED TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD WHICH I THINK US
WORKING WITH THE UNIVERSITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE
SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, WHERE WE ARE NOT TAXING THEIR GARAGES,
AGAIN THAT'S NOT THE SPENT, AND THE OVERNIGHT PARKING GARAGE
THAT WE ARE AWARE OF IS NORTH ON BOULEVARD ALMOST TO CASS,
IT WOULD BE IMPRACTICAL FOR THESE STUDENTS TO PARK ON
BOULEVARD AND WALK ALL THE WAY TO CASS STREET.
SO WE FEEL IT'S ADEQUATE.
NOTICE WAS PROVIDED.
OPPORTUNITY WAS GIVEN FOR THEM TO BE HEARD AT THE FIRST
READING.
BUT I ABSOLUTELY PROMISE THEY WANT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE UNIVERSITY, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT TAXING
THEIR PARKING STRUCTURES, WHICH SEEM TO BE BASICALLY WHEN
YOU BOIL IT DOWN WHAT THE STATEMENT WAS.
4:18:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:19:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOCTOR VAUGHAN IN HIS LETTER DISPUTED THE

NUMBERS AT THE HENRY BECAUSE IT WAS DURING COVID.
IF HE WAS HERE, AND HE MAY BE WATCHING, HIS REPRESENTATIVE
IS HERE, BUT HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT?
AND WHAT OTHER EVIDENCE COULD YOU PRESENT THAT THIS AMOUNT
OF PARKING IS INSUFFICIENT?
HE KNOWS HIS UNIVERSITY VERY WELL.
I PRESUME THAT HIS EXPERT IS HERE.
SO WHAT TESTIMONY COULD YOU BRING TO PROVE THAT --
4:19:44PM >>TRUETT GARDNER:
SURE.
SO THE WAY I HEARD THAT RESPONSE WAS BASICALLY WHAT I
BROUGHT UP AT THE BEGINNING WHICH WAS LAST YEAR WAS AN
ANOMALY FOR THE UNIVERSITY WHERE THERE IS THIS ABSOLUTELY
DEVASTATING HOUSING AND THE HENRY WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A
FRESHMAN DORM AT ALL.
AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
AND DR. VAUGHAN CALLS THIS DEVELOPER AND ASKED IF THEY WOULD
ALLOW FRESHMEN BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THEY WERE HAVING.
FAST FORWARD TO THIS YEAR, IT IS MORE OF AN UPPERCLASSMAN
FACILITY AND THEY ARE NOT SEEING ANY MORE DEMAND THAN THEY
WERE BEFORE.
4:20:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS POINT, PUBLIC COMMENT.
4:20:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I ASK LEGAL IF WE EITHER APPROVE OR
DENY IS THE CHOICE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT?
4:20:41PM >> I AGREE WITH MR. MASSEY.
YOU CAN EITHER TAKE FINAL ACTION TODAY OR CONTINUE THIS OUT

TO A DATE CERTAIN.
WITH RESPECT TO THE TESTIMONY YOU HAVE HEARD TODAY FROM THE
PUBLIC, AND THEIR OPPOSITION WITH RESPECT TO THE WAIVER
BEING REQUESTED AND HOW THEY BELIEVE THAT THE REDUCTION IN
PARKING IS GOING TO IMPACT THE SCHOOL, THE CODE DOES REQUIRE
CITY COUNCIL TO FIND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET ITS BURDEN
OF PROOF WITH RESPECT TO THE WAIVER CRITERIA FOR ALL OF THE
WAIVERS BEING REQUESTED.
SO IF THERE IS CONCERN BY COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO ONE ISSUE
WITH REGARD TO THE WAIVERS, AND PERHAPS ADDITIONAL TIME OR
TESTIMONY WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THE PARTIES HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO DISCUSS THIS, I DON'T THINK A CONTINUANCE WOULD BE
INAPPROPRIATE.
4:21:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONCE THIS IS BUILT, WHAT REMEDY DOES THE
CITY HAVE, IF THERE IS THE PROBLEM THAT THE PRESIDENT
ANTICIPATES?
WHAT REMEDY DOES THE CITY HAVE?
WALES WELLS I DON'T KNOW THERE.
4:21:59PM >>CATE WELLS:
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE A REMEDY
BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD HAVE GRANTED THE WAIVER AND THE
PARKING REDUCTION.
4:22:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. GARDNER, YOU HEARD AT LEAST ONE
COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:22:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO GO WITH THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE
TO DO WITH THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH ISN'T TOO

FAR AWAY, AND IF THEY ARE PROVIDING FOUR TIMES AS MUCH AS
JUST TWO BLOCKS AWAY WOULD HAVE TO, WHICH IS WHERE THE HENRY
IS, I STILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
I THINK THAT IF WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING, AND
THERE ARE MORE PROJECTS COMING FORWARD, WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE AN OPTION.
I THINK THE REPRESENTATIVE, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BUT IF WE DO FIND THAT THERE'S A HUGE PARKING PROBLEM, WE
COULD ALWAYS BUILD A PARKING GARAGE AND CHARGE STUDENTS TO
USE IT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THAT OPTION.
I KNOW LAND IS SCARCE, BUT FROM WHAT WE ARE HEARING ABOUT
WHAT'S HAPPENED AT THE HENRY, AND IN OTHER PLACES DOWNTOWN,
CARS ARE NOT AS UBIQUITOUS.
THEY MAY BE.
BUT IN ORDER TO LIVE IN THIS FACILITY, HE BASICALLY -- YOU
CAN EITHER GET ONE OF THE PARKING SPACES OR YOU CAN'T DRIVE
THERE.
NO, I MEAN, THAT'S IT, THOUGH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES,
TOO.
SO OUT DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD BRING A CAR.
BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

4:23:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
4:23:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M JUST THINKING IN MY MIND, WHEN IS
OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING?
4:23:58PM >> NEXT WEEK, THURSDAY.
4:24:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DO WE HAVE SOMETHING A WEEK IN THE
PROJECT?
IRON IT OUT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, HAVE A MEETING
WITH HIM.
I WANT TO BE FAIR TO BOTH SIDES AND GET THE THING BUILT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD THIS FOR ONE, AND LEGAL CAN CORRECT
ME, BUT I GUESS WE CAN PUT THIS TO NEXT WEEK?
THERE WAS NO ONE IN OPPOSITION THAT I KNOW THAT SPOKE TODAY.
4:24:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD PREFER HEARING THAT MR. GARDNER
WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE CONTINUANCE.
4:24:34PM >>TRUETT GARDNER:
I APPRECIATE MR. MIRANDA'S ACCOMMODATIONS,
I THINK ONE WEEK.
I APPRECIATE THE ACCOMMODATION.
4:24:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING.
THANK YOU.
4:24:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SECOND THAT.
4:24:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
4:24:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, JUST TO ADD ONTO WHAT HE SAID.

I'M TRYING TO THINK.
I CAN'T ADD TESTIMONY, BUT DR. VAUGHAN IS OBVIOUSLY GENIUS
AT BUILDING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, AND IT WOULD BE
GREAT IF YOU COULD GET THEIR BLESSING, BUT AT THE VERY
LEAST, IF LEGAL CUTS ME OFF I HAVE TO STOP, BUT IT WOULD BE
GREAT IF YOU COULD AT LEAST HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND COME
BACK WITH SOME KIND OF SOLUTION REMEDY FOR THAT.
4:25:28PM >> I AGREE.
AT THE MINIMUM THAT THEY DON'T WANT OVERNIGHT STUDENTS IN
THEIR GARAGE SEEMS LIKE THEY COULD GET A PERMIT FOR THAT.
4:25:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:

4:25:40PM >> THIS IS AN EXITING TREND AND I LIKE GOING AWAY FROM CARS
BUT THERE'S NO PLACE ELSE TO PARK THERE AND U.T. DOESN'T
HAVE SPACE SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RESOLVE THIS AND
NOT MAKE A BIG MISTAKE.
4:25:56PM >>TRUETT GARDNER:
FAIR ENOUGH.
WE DO NOT WANT TO CREATE A PARKING ISSUE.
WE ARE CONFIDENT WITH WHAT IS BEING PROVIDED BUT TO GIVE YOU
THAT ASSURANCE, TO FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE MORE AND TALK TO
THE UNIVERSITY.
4:26:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND WE WILL MAKE THIS NUMBER ONE ON THE
AGENDA IF POSSIBLE.
9:30 IN THE MORNING.
4:26:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:26:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:26:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:26:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:26:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:26:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:26:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:26:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:26:28PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:26:29PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CONTINUED TILL NEXT
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 1st AT 9:30 A.M.
4:26:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 120.
FILE VAC 22-03.
4:26:43PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, FILE VAC 22-03,
PROPOSED VACATING BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
4:26:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
4:27:03PM >>TYLER HUDSON:
400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT ON AUGUST 4th THERE.
HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES TO THIS VACATING APPLICATION.
I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN.
THANK YOU.
4:27:16PM >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE

COMMENT?
SEEING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:27:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE VAC 22-03.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE.
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING CLOSING DISCONTINUING
ABANDONING THOSE PORTIONS OF MISSISSIPPI AVENUE
RIGHTS-OF-WAY LOCATED SOUTH OF 2nd AVENUE, NORTH OF
LEE ROY SELMON EXPRESSWAY, EAST OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND
WEST OF NORTH 15th STREET AND THAT PORTION OF 3rd
AVENUE LOCATED SOUTH OF 4th AVENUE, NORTH OF 2nd
AVENUE, WEST OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE, AND EAST OF NICK NUCCIO
PARKWAY, ALL WITHIN THE PLAT OF LESLIE'S SUBDIVISION IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AND AS MORE FULLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
HEREIN PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND
REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:28:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED

BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:28:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:

4:28:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:28:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:28:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:28:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:28:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:28:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:28:43PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMEMBER
MANISCALCO BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
4:28:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM 121.
FILE REZ 21-114.
4:28:54PM >>LACHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
COUNCIL, ITEM 121 IS REZ 21-114.
AND THIS IS FOR THE PROJECT KNOWN AS GAS WORX.
YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS PROJECT IS THIS PROJECT AREA IS
BOUNDED BY EAST 6th AVENUE TO THE NORTH, SCOTT STREET TO
THE WEST, 15th STREET TO THE EAST, AND ADAMO AND THE
EXPRESSWAY IS BOUNDED BY IT TO THE SOUTH.
SO THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
THE REQUEST IS REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM IG, PD, YC-6, YC-9,
RM-24, TO PD-A AND YC-9.
SO THE APPLICANT HAD REVISIONS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO THE

SITE PLAN AND THE DESIGN BOOK TO BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING.
THOSE RECONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, AND THE PLAN HAS BEEN
CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT IS THERE, I BELIEVE, THE APPLICANT
FOR THIS CASE IS TYLER HUDSON.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
4:30:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
PETITIONER?
4:30:10PM >>TYLER HUDSON:
FOR THE RECORD.
HAPPY TONS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
4:30:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER? ANYONE
IN THE PUBLIC THAT QUO LIKE TO COMMENT TO THIS?
4:30:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:30:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:30:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY MUCH

920 GO MILLION COURT, 1400 NORTH CHANNELSIDE DRIVE, 717 AND
8302 NORTH 12th STREET, 1302, 1307, 1405, AND 1417 EAST
2nd AVENUE, 1301, 1306 AND 1419 EAST 4th AVENUE,
1205 AND 1315 EAST 5th AVENUE AND 1302 AND 1402 NORTH
15th STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION IG INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, YC-2 YBOR CITY RESIDENTIAL, YC-6 COMMUNITY
COMMERCIAL, CL YC-9, YBOR CITY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, IH
INDUSTRIAL HEAVY AND RM-24 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD-A
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE AND YC-9 YBOR CITY PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL USES
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:31:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:31:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:31:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:31:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:31:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:31:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:31:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:31:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:31:45PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:31:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.

4:31:50PM >> SECOND.
4:31:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY DEMAND GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:31:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:32:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:32:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:32:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:32:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:32:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:32:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:32:09PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:32:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 122, FILE PH 22-75730.
4:32:17PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT FOR THE GAS WORX PROJECT.
THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS AMENDED IN BETWEEN FIRST
PUBLIC HEARING AND THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TO REFLECT THE
UPDATED SITE PLAN FROM THE REZONING AND THE UPDATED
ENTITLEMENT AMOUNT OF 5,867,523 SQUARE FEET.
4:32:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO BE HO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TO
THIS?
4:32:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.

4:32:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED.
ALL IN FAVOR?
4:33:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE PH 22-75730, SECOND PUBLIC HEARING
RELATING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR K-S
TAMPA PARKS PROPERTY OWNER LLC AND KSM YBOR PHASE 1 PROPERTY
OWNER LLC REGARDING PROPERTY IN THE AREA GENERALLY BOUNDED
BY EAST SCOTT STREET TO THE WEST, LILY WHITE COURT TO THE
NORTH, NORTH 15th STREET TO THE EAST AND ADAMO NORTH
12th STREET TO THE SOUTH, COMMONLY KNOWN AS GAS WORX IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA PROVIDING FOR TWO NOTICES OF
INTENT TO CONSIDER SAID AGREEMENT PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
4:33:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
4:33:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY HURTAK, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
I'M SORRY, JUST MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION IS MOVED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OR DO WE WANT ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS?
THANK YOU.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 123.

I SEE OCTOBER 20th.
IS THERE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT?
4:34:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED TO OCTOBER 20.
4:34:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT CORRECT?
4:34:23PM >> YES.
SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE REQUEST.
4:34:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
4:34:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WON'T GIVE 'EM A CUP OF COFFEE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
4:34:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 124.
FILE NUMBER VAC 21-13.
4:35:04PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION PRESENTING FILE
NUMBER VAC 21-13.
I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
COUNCIL, CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN?
4:35:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:35:28PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
FILE VAC 21-13, THE APPLICANT IS MG 88
TAMPA COLD STORAGE LLC, REPRESENTATIVE'S NAME IS DICK
SWANSON, PROXIMITY PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1202 NORTH 35th
STREET.
PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS TO VACATE A PORTION OF 37th
STREET SOUTH OF THIRD AVENUE EAST OF 34th STREET AND

WEST OF 35th STREET.
THE APPLICATION WAS FILED ON AUGUST 11, 2021.
THE APPLICANT APPLICANTS PROPERTY TO THE WEST SIDE 37th
STREET, REQUESTED TO BE VACATED.
THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICANT IS WOULD LIKE TO
MAINTAIN PROPERTY AND PAY TAXES ON VACATED LAND.
THE OWNER WOULD UTILIZE THE LAND TO EXPAND THEIR FOOTPRINT.
THIS STREET WAS CREATED BY THE PLAT AND IS WITHIN THE EAST
TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO VACATE A PORTION OF 37th
STREET LOCATED AT 1202-35th STREET.
EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 12,762 SQUARE FEET, A
PORTION OF 37th STREET IS CURRENTLY UNIMPROVED
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THERE IS AN IMAGE THE PROPOSED VACATING IN YELLOW IS
37th STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS IN RED.
HERE IS A SHEET SHOWING PREVIOUS VACATING IN THE AREA, THE
HATCHED AREAS, AND THE PROPOSED VACATING IN PURPLE, PORTION
OF 37th STREET.
HERE IS THE PORTION OF THE STREET THAT WAS DEDICATED BY EAST
BAY PARK PLAT IN RED.
HERE IS AN IMAGE OF 37th STREET LOOKING SOUTH FROM
3rd AVENUE.
AND IMAGE OF 37th STREET LOOKING NORTH FROM 3rd

AVENUE.
THIS PORTION IS NOT TO BE VACATED.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH FROM 3rd AVENUE.
AGAIN THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH FROM 3rd
AVENUE.
STAFF HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST. EASEMENT
RESERVATION IS NEEDED OVER THE ENTIRE VACATED AREA.
RESOURCES COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27, TREE PRESERVATION, SITE,
DESIGN STORE IMPROVEMENTS ADJACENT TO TREES IN ANY VACATED
AREA.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
4:37:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:38:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FILE VAC 21-13.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
AN ORPHANS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING,
DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING THAT PORTION OF NORTH 34th
STREET LOCATED SOUTH OF 3rd AVENUE NORTH OF ADAMO DRIVE,

EAST OF 34th STREET AND WEST OF 35TH STREET WITHIN THE
PLAT OF SECOND REVISION OF EAST BAY PARK SUBDIVISION IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AND AS MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO
CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE
PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND
PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS,
INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:38:54PM >> SECOND.
4:38:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:39:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:39:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:39:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:39:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:39:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)
4:39:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:39:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:39:13PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMEMBER
HURTAK BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 15,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
4:39:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 125.
FILE NUMBER VAC 22-06.
4:39:28PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION PRESENTING FILE
VAC 22-06.
THE APPLICANT IS HEATHER AND SILVERIO AGAZZI, TO VACATE THE
ALLEYWAYS SOUTH OF WEST CLEVELAND STREET, NORTH OF WEST
AZEELE STREET AND EAST OF SOUTH RENELLIE DRIVE AND WEST OF
COOPER PLACE.
THE WEST SIDE OF THE ALLEY IS REQUESTED TO BE VACATED.
THE APPLICATION IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO VACATE THE ALLEY TO
SARASOTA OVER THE LAND AND MAINTAIN THE LAND.
THE ALLEY IS DIFFICULT TO ACCESS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE A GATE AND NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDE OF THE
PROPERTY DO NOT ALLOW ACCESS TO THE ALLEY.
THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH
MATERIALS AND THEY WERE TOLD BY THE INSPECTOR THAT THEY
WOULD BE FIND BECAUSE OF THE MATERIALS BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY
AND THEY WANT TO KEEP IT MAINTAINED.
THIS ALLEY WAS CREATED BY A SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 8,800 SQUARE
FEET.
THIS ALLEY IS CURRENTLY UNIMPROVED RIGHT-OF-WAY.
HERE IS AN IMAGE, PROPOSED VACATION IN YELLOW.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IN RED.
AGAIN, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY HERE IN GRAY.

THE PROPOSED VACATING IS HERE AND AS YOU CAN SEE A PORTION
OF THIS ALLEY WAS PREVIOUSLY VACATED.
AGAIN, THIS IS A PORTION OF THE ALLEY PROPOSED TO BE VACATED
IN RED FOR THE PLAT AND AGAIN THIS BLACK THIS IS A
PREVIOUSLY VACATED PORTION OF THE ALLEY.
THE EAST PORTION OF THE ALLEY LOOKING WEST ON TRASK STREET,
NORTH AND SOUTH PORTION OF THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH OF
BOOM STREET, LAG EAST FROM RENELLIE STREET, STORMWATER,
SPECTRUM AND CREEK TECO EASEMENT RESERVATIONS NEEDED
OVERALL, NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27, TREE
PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS PLACED
NEXT TO TREES IN ANY VACATED AREA.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
4:42:05PM >> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
MS. AGAZZI, WERE YOU PLANNING ON GIVING TESTIMONY?
THEN YOU NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
4:42:22PM >> I DO.
HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS HEATHER AGAZZI.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY PETITION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SERVICE TO OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
I WILL SHARE THREE REASONS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO BE VACATE THE
ALLEY.
NUMBER ONE, RESIDENT DO DUMP TRASH IN THE ALLEY AS WELL AS

CONSTRUCTION CREWS WORKING ON RENELLIE AND AS PREVIOUSLY
MENTIONED, I WAS TOLD BY THE INSPECTOR THAT IT'S MY DUTY TO
REMOVE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SITE TO
THE SOUTH OF ME.
I HAVE VIDEO FOOTAGE DOCUMENTING THE CONSTRUCTION CREW
DUMPING WINDOWS BEHIND MY PROPERTY.
SECOND, GIVEN THE ACCUMULATION OF THE DEBRIS OF MATERIALS IN
THE ALLEY COUPLED WITH THE OVERGROWTH OF WEEDS AND PLANTS
THE ALLEY IS A BREEDING GROUND FOR MOSQUITOES, WITH WEST
NILE VIRUS, AND EASTERN EQUINE VIRUS DOCUMENTED IN OUR AREA,
IT IS CERTAINLY A HEALTH ISSUE.
FINALLY, MY NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH HAVE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF
UNHOUSED CITIZENS USING THE ALLEY TO ENTER PRIVATE PROPERTY
AND SLEEP ON PORCHES.
IN SUMMARY, MY REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEY IS SO I CAN
MAINTAIN THE ALLEY, KEEP IT FREE OF PESTS, DETER UNHOUSED
FOLKS FROM USING PRIVATE PROPERTY TO SLEEP AND KEEP BEE
BRING OUT OF THE ALLEY.
THANK YOU.
4:43:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. AGAZZI?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
4:43:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NONE.
4:43:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I MAY INQUIRE, YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS
HAVE VIDEO.
HAVE YOU TURNED THAT VIDEO IN TO EITHER OUR POLICE

DEPARTMENT OR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT?
4:44:01PM >> I AM UNKNOWING IF MY NEIGHBOR MADE THAT CHOICE. I DID
ENCOURAGE HIM TO DO THAT.
4:44:10PM >> DID YOU DO IT WITH YOUR VIDEO?
4:44:14PM >> I DON'T COLLECT VIDEO AND THEREFORE THE INSPECTOR TOLD ME
IT WAS MY PROBLEM TO REMOVE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
4:44:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BECAUSE IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ILLEGAL,
YOU SHOULD TURN IT INTO THE AUTHORITIES.
4:44:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SHE'S SO POLITE.
UNHOUSED RESIDENTS.
4:44:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.
YOU ARE VERY KIND AND VERY THOUGHTFUL FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON BEHALF OF EACH OF US.
4:44:46PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
4:44:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO ASK ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS IN
AGREEMENT TO VACATING THE ALLEY?
THERE ARE NO GARAGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT NEED TO BE
ACCESSED?
4:44:58PM >> THE NEIGHBORS WITH WHOM I AM IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION ARE
VERY EXCITED AND ENTHUSIASTIC THAT I HAVE TAKEN ON THIS.
I DID MAIL THE LETTERS PER THE REQUIREMENT BY THE CITY AND I
DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM ANY NEIGHBORS.
4:45:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
4:45:15PM >> ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TO
THIS?

4:45:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:45:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
WHO DO WE HAVE HERE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:45:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE VAC 22-06, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND A BON
DONG THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH OF CLEVELAND STREET, NORTH
OF AZEELE STREET, EAST OF THE RENELLIE DRIVE AND WEST OF
TRASK STREET WITHIN THE PLAT OF BEACH PARK ANNEX, A
SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
FLORIDA, AND AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF
SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS
MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT
AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS,
INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:46:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
4:46:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL SCHEDULE VOTE.

4:46:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:46:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:46:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:46:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:46:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:46:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:46:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:46:42PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION TO BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER
15th, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
4:46:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I SEE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 127, AND 127 AND 126 HAVE BEEN
WITHDRAWN.
4:46:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO STRIKE 126 AND 127.
4:47:00PM >> SECOND.
4:47:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY DEMAND MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
LET'S GO TO INFORMATION AND REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:47:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FURTHER TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD THIS
MORNING, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO
REPORT ON OCTOBER 6th ABOUT A PROCESS BY WHICH WE COULD

HAVE TWO OR MORE PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BUDGET ITEMS THAT
ARE MORE THAN $20 MILLION.
4:47:34PM >> SECOND.
4:47:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:47:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
4:47:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA?
4:47:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, I WANT TO AT THE SEPTEMBER 6th
MEETING HAVE A COMMENDATION TO MS. CHELSEA GARRETT, AT A
COMMENDATION MEETING, FOR HER WORK FOR ADVOCATES ESPECIALLY
WITH CEREBRAL PALSY, GENERAL DISABILITIES.
4:47:59PM >> SECOND.
4:48:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
4:48:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND, COMMENDATION ON THE SAME DAY,
SEPTEMBER 6th FOR CRISIS CENTER OF TAMPA BAY DEBRA
HARRIS FOR HER IMPENDING RETIREMENT AFTER 23 YEARS.
4:48:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
4:48:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THEN LASTLY THIS PAST YEAR CONGRESS PASSED
THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT WHICH HELPED OUR COMMUNITIES,

AND YESTERDAY WE SAW EAST TAMPA RECREATION PROJECT, WE HAVE
ALSO SEEN THIS HAPPEN WITH THE NEW TAMPA DISABILITY PARK,
TAMPA PALMS BOULEVARD REPAVING, AND FIRE STATION 25.
I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN THE IDEA OF MAKING SURE THAT WE GIVE
CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE, WHICH IS CERTAINLY HAPPENING
PROJECT BY PROJECT WHENEVER IT COMES TO ARPA, BUT I THINK IT
WOULD BE REALLY SMART SO WE CAN MAKE SURE TO TELL MEMBERS OF
THE COMMUNITY AND OUR CONSTITUENTS ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS ON
WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM, IF WE COULD HAVE A MONTHLY
REPORT ON THE FIRST WEEK OF THE MONTH BEGINNING IN OCTOBER
ON WHAT CITY PROJECTS ARE BEING FUNDED IN WHOLE OR IN PART
BY ARPA, WE SEE THIS SPECTACLE OF A LOT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS
IN, NONE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY OR TAMPA I'M SPEAKING OF,
BUT PRAISE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE FUNDED IN WHOLE OR
IN PART BY ARPA BUT THEN DEMONIZING ARPA.
I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE A WRITTEN REPORT, NOTHING PRESENTED,
AND IT COULD BE THE FIRST WEEK OF THE MONTH BEGINNING IN
OCTOBER.
4:49:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
4:49:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
LASTLY THIS IS NOT A MOTION, BUT JUST A
REFERENCE, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, I WAS LOOKING OVER THE CHARTER,
WHENEVER IT COMES TO ISSUES INVOLVING SALARIES, AND WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY RAISING TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

SALARIES.
I LOOKED AT 6.06, WHICH UNLESS I AM READING IT WRONG IN THE
CHARTER IT SEEMS TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE MAYOR'S
SIGNATURE PLUS FOUR VOTES BY EITHER RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE,
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE VOTE FOR
THAT.
SO JUST I GUESS TO GET COUNCIL MEMBERS THINKING ON THEIR
POSITIONS ON THAT ISSUE, I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE IN
THE COMMUNITY ON IT IN TERMS OF PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS,
ET CETERA, BUT JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR WHENEVER WE
PASS THE BUDGET AND WHATNOT, BECAUSE I'M SURE IT WILL BE A
DISCUSSION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE INTEREST IN, AND JUST
TO GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT IT HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS
BECAUSE I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ALL OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
BUT THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
4:50:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION
OFF-SITE ON SEPTEMBER 20th TO JUDY LISI WHO WILL BE
RETIRING FROM THE STRAZ CENTER, AFTER YEARS OF LEADING THE
TAMPA PERFORMANCE ARTS CENTER THEN THE STRAZ CENTER.
4:50:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
4:51:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND THEN I KNOW THIS IS SHORT NOTICE,
BUT I DID BRING IT UP DURING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, AND MS.

SANDY SANCHEZ BROUGHT IT UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT THIS
MORNING ABOUT A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE POSITION.
THERE'S ANOTHER TERM FOR IT.
BUT IF SOMEONE COULD JUST BRIEFLY ADDRESS, MAYBE JOHN
BENNETT OR SOMEONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION NEXT WEEK,
SEPTEMBER 1st.
AGAIN IT'S SHORT NOTICE BUT I DID BRING IT UP DURING THE
BUDGET WORKSHOP, JUST TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS UNDER THE
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE, JUST BRIEF.
4:51:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY -- COUNCILMAN VIERA?
4:51:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE ON WHAT OTHER
CITIES HAVE THAT POSITION, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY WHAT WOULD
BE THE PERSPECTIVE DUTIES OF THIS PERSON BEFORE WE VOTE ON
IT, BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES TO CREATE A POSITION JUST TO CREATE
POSITIONS, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED AND THAT
OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, THEN THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING.
4:52:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:52:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.

PER DISCUSSION THIS MORNING ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT THINGS IN SIRE, AS SOMEONE WHO JUST JOINED
THIS COUNCIL AND JUST LEARNED HOW TO DO ALL OF THAT, I AGREE
IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO USE SIRE UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW
WHERE YOU ARE GOING.
NOW I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT IT'S MY JOB TO DO
THAT.
SO I DID NOT -- NOT THE CITIZENS' JOB.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF, WHOMEVER, WHATEVER
STAFF WOULD NEED TO DO THAT, TO COME FORWARD AND TALK TO US
ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING ON THAT FIRST SHEET THAT
GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THE ITEM, FOR ALL BUDGET ITEMS ON THE
AGENDA, TO ADD TO THAT REPORT, THE PROJECT, THE NUMBER OF
BIDDERS, THE NAMES ON THE BIDDERS, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WHY
THE WINNING BID WAS SELECTED AND IF THAN THEY COULD BRING
THAT BACK OCTOBER 6th.
4:53:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
4:53:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S IT.
4:53:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
I HAVE JUST A FEW.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE BIDDERS SCREENING
PRACTICES COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS FOR AN EVALUATION.

4:53:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
4:53:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BAN THE BOX?
4:53:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS JUST PASSED
TODAY.
4:53:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I THINK I ALREADY MADE A MOTION FOR THAT TO
COME BACK TO US.
IF YOU WANT TO DO A REPLICATE ONE, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T
KNOW IF SIX MONTHS WILL BE ENOUGH FOR THE PROGRAM TO BE
FLESHED OUT.
YOU KNOW, MY INTENT WITH THIS IS TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THIS
COUNCIL HAS NEVER ACTED ON THE ISSUE OF RETURNING CITIZENS,
AND TO BEGIN TO HAVE A DIALOGUE AND A CONVERSATION, I WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE PART
OF THE PROGRAM IS ALSO THE APPRENTICESHIP ASSISTANCE THROUGH
THE COUNTY, THROUGH THE CITY.
AND I THINK I MOTIONED EARLIER FOR THAT SAME THING.
BUT AGAIN IF YOU WANT TO DO IT --
4:54:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET'S DO SIX MONTHS AND OTHER PROGRAMS
BEING INCORPORATED SO WE KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THINGS.
4:54:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND NO WORRIES.
4:54:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S FINE.
THAT WOULD BE FINE.

4:54:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
4:55:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I RECEIVED A BUNCH OF CALLS REFERENCE TO THE CITY CENTER ON
HANNA AVENUE.
AND I DID A DRIVE-BY MYSELF JUST TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WERE
SAYING.
AND I AM DUE TO TAKE A VISIT THERE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION REVIEW
THE ATTACHED DOCUMENT AND ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS LISTED THAT
PERTAINS TO THE PROJECT ON HANNA AVENUE AND QUESTIONS RAISE
BY GENERAL PUBLIC REGARD BEING MINORITY PARTICIPATION WITHIN
60 DAYS, I THINK OCTOBER 27th.
27th.
4:55:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
4:55:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE IS THE ATTACHMENT.
AND PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED ON
THE ATTACHMENT.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE EMPLOYEES
THAT JUST DON'T GET RECOGNIZED BECAUSE THEY MIGHT GET A

CERTAIN LEVEL POSITION, AND I FOUND THAT PERSON WHO HAS
REALLY WORKED HARD FOR US DAY IN AND DAY OUT, ESPECIALLY
DURING THE COVID ERA.
SULING LUCAS. AND MRS. SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES RUNS A TIGHT
SHIP BUT WE KNOW THAT SULING IS LIKE A FORCE OVER THERE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENDATION TO RECEIVE A
COMMENDATION FROM THIS COUNCIL.
4:56:44PM >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
4:56:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE THE 6th.
I WANT TO DO IT ON THE REGULAR SESSION, BECAUSE SHE'S ONE OF
OURS.
4:57:07PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
WE HAVE ONE NEXT MONTH?
FOR SEPTEMBER?
PUT IT ON THE COMMENDATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT UNDER COMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU.
SHE'S WELL DESERVING OF THAT.
4:57:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:57:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SURPRISE YOU.
I DON'T HAVE ANY.
4:57:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TODAY IS WOMEN'S EQUALITY DAY, AUGUST
26th.

THE 19th AMENDMENT WAS CERTIFIED AS PART OF OUR
CONSTITUTION, ASSURING THE RIGHT OF CITIZENS IN THE UNITED
STATES TO VOTE SHALL NOT BE DENIED OR ABRIDGED BY THE UNITED
STATES OR BY ANY STATE ON ACCOUNT OF SEX.
THE STRUGGLE FOR WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE, HOWEVER, IS ONLY THE
FIRST STEP TOWARD FULL AND EQUAL PARTICIPATION OF WOMEN IN
OUR NATION'S LIFE, IN RECENT YEARS WE HAVE MADE OTHER GIANT
STRIDES BY ATTACKING SEX DISCRIMINATION THROUGH OUR LAWS AND
PAVING NEW AVENUES TO EQUAL OPPORTUNITY -- FOR WOMEN.
TODAY, IN VIRTUALLY EVERY SECTOR OF OUR SOCIETY WOMEN ARE
MAKING IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE QUALITY OF AMERICAN
LIFE.
THE CONTINUOUS STRUGGLE FOR WOMEN'S PARTICIPATION AND
EQUALITY IN ALL SPHERES OF LIFE AND SOCIETY IS OBSERVED ON
THIS DAY, WOMEN'S EQUALITY DAY ON AUGUST 26th.
WITH THAT I NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
4:59:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
4:59:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY MIRANDA,
SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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