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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, AUGUST 25, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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9:04:32AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:04:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING.
9:04:35AM AND WELCOME TO THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HELD ON THIS DAY
9:04:40AM TODAY, AUGUST 25th, 2022.
9:04:44AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION.
9:04:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I DO.
9:04:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN
9:04:53AM STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:04:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: TODAY, I AM THRILLED TO HAVE CHERYL SCHROEDER
9:05:02AM WITH US.
9:05:03AM SHE REPRESENTS THE WEST CENTRAL FLORIDA LABOR COUNCIL, THE
9:05:05AM LOCAL CHAPTER OF AFL-CIO.
9:05:07AM SHE GUIDES ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF 80,000 UNION MEMBER
9:05:11AM FAMILIES IN TAMPA BAY THROUGH COLLABORATION WITH LEADERSHIP
9:05:14AM OF NUMEROUS LOCAL UNIONS.
9:05:16AM HER ORGANIZATION IS FOCUSED ON ENSURING THAT WE HELP OUR
9:05:19AM LOCAL COMMUNITIES WITH COMMON SENSE AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE

9:05:22AM GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP AND ON LEGISLATION AND ELECTED
9:05:25AM OFFICIALS THAT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF WORKING FAMILIES.
9:05:28AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
9:05:29AM >> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.
9:05:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:05:33AM ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 5th, WE WILL CELEBRATE LABOR DAY,
9:05:37AM A HOLIDAY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED TO HONOR WORKERS AND BEGAN
9:05:40AM WITH A PARADE AND PICNIC IN NEW YORK CITY IN 1882.
9:05:44AM THIS EFFORT AND MANY STRUGGLES THAT FOLLOWED IN THE COMING
9:05:48AM YEARS BUILT A MOMENTUM AS WORKERS ORGANIZED ACROSS THE
9:05:51AM COUNTRY, UNIONS BECAME STRONG, AND OVER THE NEXT 50 YEARS,
9:05:55AM BUILT THE MIDDLE CLASS.
9:05:57AM SINCE THAT FIRST LABOR DAY, LABOR UNIONS HAVE PLAYED A
9:06:00AM CENTRAL ROLE IN THE ELEVATION OF THE AMERICAN STANDARD OF
9:06:03AM LIVING.
9:06:04AM THE BENEFITS WHICH UNIONS HAVE NEGOTIATED FOR THEIR MEMBERS
9:06:07AM ARE WIDESPREAD IN THE ECONOMY AND ENJOYED BY FELLOW WORKERS
9:06:10AM OUTSIDE THE LABOR MOVEMENT.
9:06:12AM IT CAN BE HARD TO REMEMBER THAT WHAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED,
9:06:18AM OVERTIME PAY, PENSIONS, HEALTH AND SAFETY LAWS, VACATION
9:06:21AM DAYS, RESTRICTIONS ON CHILD LABOR, A MINIMUM WAGE, AND THE
9:06:26AM RIGHT TO ORGANIZE FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEVER EXISTED ON
9:06:29AM ANY MEANINGFUL SCALE UNTIL UNIONS FOUGHT AND WON THEM FOR
9:06:32AM WORKING PEOPLE.
9:06:33AM TODAY, LABOR UNIONS ARE THE ONE AND ONLY VOICE FOR WORKERS.

9:06:37AM WE CONTINUE TIRELESSLY TO PROTECT THESE GAINS FOR ALL
9:06:41AM WORKERS, UNION OR NOT.
9:06:43AM THROUGH POLITICAL ACTION AND ORGANIZING, WE EDUCATE OUR
9:06:46AM MEMBERS TO STOP THE ATTACKS TO OUR VALUES OF EQUALITY,
9:06:50AM RACIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE, AND FAIR TREATMENT IN THE
9:06:55AM WORKPLACE.
9:06:55AM WE SAFEGUARD THE FREEDOM TO JOIN A UNION, THE FREEDOM TO
9:06:59AM EARN A LIVING WAGE, THE FREEDOM TO ACCESS HEALTH CARE AND
9:07:02AM THE FREEDOM TO VOTE.
9:07:04AM LABOR UNIONS ARE SEEING A SURGE IN WORKER ORGANIZING THAT
9:07:10AM ISN'T HAPPENING BY ACCIDENT.
9:07:11AM FROM AMAZON WAREHOUSES TO COFFEE SHOPS TO UNIVERSITY
9:07:15AM CAMPUSES AND BEYOND, WORKING PEOPLE ARE ORGANIZING AND
9:07:18AM RISING.
9:07:19AM THIS MOMENTUM IS THE PRODUCT OF DECADES OF WORKER
9:07:22AM FRUSTRATION DRIVEN BY LOW WAGES, UNSAFE WORKPLACES,
9:07:25AM UNAFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE, AND A LACK OF RESPECT AND DIGNITY
9:07:31AM ON THE JOB.
9:07:32AM WE SUPPORT THESE EFFORTS TO BUILD OUR MOVEMENT AND REBUILD
9:07:34AM THE MIDDLE CLASS.
9:07:35AM LABOR DAY, IT'S A HARD-EARNED HOLIDAY COMING OUT OF THE
9:07:38AM STRUGGLES OF WORKING PEOPLE FOR THE EIGHT-HOUR DAY AND THE
9:07:41AM RIGHT TO ORGANIZE UNIONS.
9:07:43AM IT IS TIME TO HONOR THE SACRIFICES BY MANY OF OUR UNION
9:07:47AM MEMBERS IN EXPANDING THEIR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OVER DECADES

9:07:50AM TO CREATE BETTER LIVES FOR OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILIES.
9:07:54AM WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US IN THE FIGHT TO BUILD A STRONGER
9:07:58AM DEMOCRACY AND PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS, TO NOT MOVE BACKWARDS,
9:08:02AM ALWAYS FORWARDS.
9:08:03AM THANK YOU, AND PLEASE ALLOW ME TO INFORMALLY INVITE YOU TO
9:08:08AM OUR LABOR DAY CELEBRATION, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 5th IN APOLLO
9:08:10AM BEACH.
9:08:12AM HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
9:08:13AM THANK YOU.
9:08:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
9:08:17AM TO THE FLAG OF OUR COUNTRY.
9:08:19AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:08:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE BE SEATED.
9:08:32AM ROLL CALL.
9:08:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:08:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:08:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:08:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:08:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
9:08:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:08:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
9:08:50AM >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:08:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:08:53AM MR. MASSEY.
9:08:53AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

9:08:55AM THIS IS THE AUGUST 25, 2022, MEETING OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
9:08:59AM CITY COUNCIL HELD IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE THIRD
9:09:02AM FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD HERE IN
9:09:05AM TAMPA, FLORIDA.
9:09:06AM THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING IN PERSON OR VIEW
9:09:08AM IT BY CABLE TELEVISION ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640 OR FRONTIER
9:09:12AM CHANNEL 15, OR BY THE INTERNET VIA
9:09:15AM www.TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
9:09:19AM THE PUBLIC IS ALSO ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING
9:09:21AM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER
9:09:24AM SPEAKER EITHER HERE IN PERSON IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR
9:09:27AM VIRTUALLY BY WAY OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
9:09:31AM HOWEVER, THE USE OF CMT DOES REQUIRE PREREGISTRATION WITH
9:09:33AM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
9:09:35AM DIRECTIONS FOR PREREGISTRATION ARE INCLUDED IN THE NOTICE OF
9:09:37AM THE MEETING AND ON THE AGENDA.
9:09:38AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ALSO PARTICIPATE IN QUASI-JUDICIAL
9:09:41AM MATTERS ON THIS AGENDA EITHER REMOTELY ALSO BY CMT, CELL
9:09:47AM PHONES AND SMARTPHONES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE AS THEY WILL NOT
9:09:49AM ALLOW YOUR CAMERA WHEN CONNECTED.
9:09:51AM YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS TO A CMT DEVICE SUCH AS A TABLET OR
9:09:55AM COMPUTER EQUIPPED WITH A CAMERA AND A MICROPHONE THAT WILL
9:09:57AM ENABLE YOU TO BE ABLE TO BOTH SEEN AND HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL
9:10:02AM AND ALL OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
9:10:04AM CAN I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE CITY COUNCIL RULES

9:10:08AM TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AND APPEARANCE BY CITY ADMINISTRATOR
9:10:11AM STAFF AND THE PUBLIC VIA CMT?
9:10:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:10:16AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:10:17AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:18AM IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS?
9:10:19AM THANK YOU.
9:10:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, POINT
9:10:25AM OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, SIR.
9:10:27AM I WANT TO OFFICIALLY WELCOME MY NEW LEGISLATIVE AIDE, MS. CT
9:10:35AM HARRIS.
9:10:35AM WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND SHE'S ALREADY HIT THE GROUND
9:10:39AM RUNNING.
9:10:39AM COUNCIL, I WANT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU ALL, MS. CT HARRIS.
9:10:44AM THANK YOU.
9:10:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WELCOME.
9:10:47AM ALL RIGHT.
9:10:49AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE A COMMENDATION FOR AN ATU MEMBER.
9:11:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND
9:11:24AM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
9:11:24AM WE HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF HONORING ONE OF OUR ATU
9:11:28AM MEMBERS.
9:11:29AM I SEE YOU BROUGHT THE WHOLE GANG THIS MORNING, WHICH IS
9:11:32AM GOOD.
9:11:32AM WE WANT TO GIVE HONOR TO JORGE HERNANDEZ.

9:11:38AM >> YES, SIR.
9:11:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: JORGE IS ONE OF OUR ATU WORKERS.
9:11:43AM APPARENTLY, HE WORKS IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S DIVISION.
9:11:47AM AGAIN, LET ME JUST READ A FEW THINGS.
9:11:50AM IN RECOGNITION OF JORGE HERNANDEZ, THE ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE
9:11:55AM MONTH, FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION WITH THE TAMPA FIRE
9:12:00AM RESCUE MAINTENANCE DIVISION.
9:12:01AM JORGE BEGAN HIS CAREER WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA IN 2012.
9:12:06AM JORGE WORKS COUNTLESS HOURS AND AT TIMES UNDER EXTREME
9:12:10AM CONDITIONS, ALL IN THE ASPECT OF TAMPA FIRE MARINE VESSELS.
9:12:16AM JORGE'S DETERMINATION AND DEDICATION NOT TO STOP REPAIRS
9:12:21AM UNTIL THE UNIT IS BACK IN SERVICE IS AN EXAMPLE OF MULTIPLE
9:12:23AM INSTANCES OF HIS HARD WORK.
9:12:23AM JORGE'S WORK IS CRITICAL TO KEEPING THE CITY SAFE.
9:12:26AM WHAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, THOSE VEHICLES JUST LIKE
9:12:33AM POLICE VEHICLES, THEY DEPEND ON THOSE VEHICLES, RIGHT, SAL?
9:12:37AM WANT A GOOD RUNNING VEHICLE TO GET THERE AND FIRE DEPENDS ON
9:12:41AM THOSE VEHICLES TO BE UP TO THE PAR.
9:12:44AM THE -- THE MECHANIC WORKING ON THEM, THESE GUYS PRAISE YOU
9:12:52AM FOR THAT.
9:12:53AM AGAIN, FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION, THE CITY COUNCIL
9:12:57AM OF TAMPA IS PROUD TO PRESENT THE COMMENDATION TO JORGE WHO
9:13:01AM EXEMPLIFIES THE TYPE OF EMPLOYEE WHO EVERYONE ADMIRES.
9:13:06AM YOU ARE A GREAT ASSET TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:13:09AM I SAW THANK YOU.

9:13:11AM CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
9:13:12AM IT'S BEEN A WILD CRAZY DAY.
9:13:19AM I'LL LET HIM TALK A LITTLE MORE.
9:13:24AM >> YES, SIR.
9:13:24AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
9:13:26AM GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
9:13:29AM GOOD MORNING, CITY OF TAMPA.
9:13:30AM I'M STEVE SIMON, PRESIDENT OF ATU LOCAL 1464.
9:13:35AM I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH,
9:13:39AM MR. GEORGE HERNANDEZ.
9:13:43AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:13:43AM GEORGE HERNANDEZ IS A PROFESSIONAL VETERAN TECHNICIAN
9:13:53AM NEARING 20 YEARS -- ACTUALLY, HE JUST CROSSED OVER HIS
9:13:56AM 20-YEAR MARK TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:14:01AM SPECIFICALLY WITHIN TAMPA FIRE RESCUE MAINTENANCE.
9:14:03AM MR. HERNANDEZ WORKS COUNTLESS HOURS AND AT TIMES UNDER
9:14:07AM EXTREME CONDITIONS ON ALL ASPECTS OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE'S
9:14:11AM MARINE VESSELS.
9:14:12AM FROM SMALL 10-HORSEPOWER OUTBOARD ENGINES TO THE
9:14:16AM STATE-OF-THE-ART FB-1, THE PATRIOT, WHICH IS A
9:14:19AM 32,000-HORSEPOWER FIRE RESCUE SHIP, HE DOES IT ALL.
9:14:23AM THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE INSTANCES WHERE TFR FIRE BOAT WAS
9:14:28AM ABLE TO RESPOND AND MAKE A LIFESAVING RESCUE OR EXTINGUISH A
9:14:32AM BOAT FIRE BECAUSE OF MR. HERNANDEZ'S DETERMINATION AND
9:14:35AM DEDICATION TO NOT STOP REPAIRS UNTIL THE UNIT IS BACK IN

9:14:38AM SERVICE.
9:14:39AM WHETHER IT'S WORKING ON A SHIP OR REPAIRING TFR'S FIRE
9:14:42AM APPARATUS, GEORGE'S WORK IS CRITICAL TO KEEPING THE CITY
9:14:46AM SAFE.
9:14:46AM MR. HERNANDEZ HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE
9:14:49AM INSTRUMENTAL FOR THE SUCCESS OF KEEPING TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
9:14:53AM MARINE UNITS OPERATIONAL AND AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO THE
9:14:58AM NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC AND IN AND AROUND THE WATERWAYS OF THE
9:15:01AM CITY OF TAMPA.
9:15:01AM WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
9:15:05AM WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TOWARDS KEEPING THE
9:15:08AM CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU A
9:15:12AM LETTER FROM THE MAYOR.
9:15:14AM IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO READ THAT.
9:15:16AM DEAR GEORGE, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING SELECTED AS THE
9:15:20AM AMALGAMATED TRANSIT UNION EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR YOUR
9:15:24AM PROFESSIONALISM, STRONG WORK ETHICS, LEADERSHIP, AND FOR
9:15:26AM GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND IN ALL ASPECTS IN YOUR POSITION AS
9:15:30AM FLEET MECHANIC II.
9:15:32AM YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED SUCH A FIRM COMMITMENT AND HIGH
9:15:34AM STANDARDS FROM YOUR HIRE DATE IN AUGUST OF 2022 AND YOUR
9:15:38AM DEDICATION AS A MEMBER OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE MAINTENANCE
9:15:40AM ENSURING MARINE VESSELS AND FIRE APPARATUS ARE IN OPTIMAL
9:15:45AM WORKING ORDER HAS EARNED YOU THE RESPECT OF YOUR SUPERIORS
9:15:48AM AND PEERS ALIKE.

9:15:51AM YOU CAN SEE HE IS LOVED.
9:15:52AM YOU ARE WELL KNOWN AS SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO DO WHATEVER
9:15:55AM IT TAKES IN MAKING SURE THE FIRE BOATS ARE IN OUTSTANDING
9:15:58AM CONDITION SO THEY ARE READY AND ABLE TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS
9:16:01AM AND OUR CITY.
9:16:02AM NO DOUBT YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND COMMITMENT HAS
9:16:05AM CONTRIBUTED TO SAVING LIVES AND PROPERTY IN MANY INSTANCES.
9:16:10AM YOU ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CITY'S MISSION OF PROVIDING
9:16:13AM SUPERIOR SERVICES AND YOUR ABILITIES, PROFICIENCIES AND
9:16:18AM OUTSTANDING ATTITUDE MAKE YOU HIGHLY DESERVING OF THIS
9:16:20AM SPECIAL RECOGNITION.
9:16:21AM YOU ARE AN ASSET TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, LOGISTICS AND ASSET
9:16:24AM MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, AND TO OUR
9:16:27AM COMMUNITY.
9:16:27AM YOU ARE ADMIRED, WELL-RESPECTED, AND SET A SHINING EXAMPLE
9:16:31AM FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW.
9:16:32AM IT IS EMPLOYEES LIKE YOU, GEORGE, THAT MAKE ME PROUD TO
9:16:35AM SERVE AS MAYOR.
9:16:36AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE.
9:16:38AM SINCERELY, MAYOR JANE.
9:16:40AM ALSO, I WOULD LIKE DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET
9:16:47AM MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, ADRI COLINA, TO SAY A FEW WORDS
9:16:49AM PLEASE.
9:16:53AM >> ABSOLUTELY, IT'S MY HONOR.
9:16:53AM ADRI COLINA, DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.

9:16:56AM I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. SIMON, FOR RECOGNIZING THE
9:16:59AM BEHIND-THE-SCENES TEAM.
9:17:01AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY.
9:17:02AM WHEN YOU CALL 911, YOU EXPECT THAT FIRE TRUCK TO SHOW UP,
9:17:07AM THAT POLICE VEHICLE TO COME HELP YOU.
9:17:09AM IF IT'S NOT FOR THIS TEAM AND PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE, THEY DON'T
9:17:12AM HAVE RELIABLE VEHICLES TO GET TO YOU.
9:17:14AM GEORGE IS AN OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEE, AS YOU CAN SEE.
9:17:17AM HE IS A TAMPA NATIVE.
9:17:19AM DOING THIS FOR HIS HOMETOWN, BUT THERE'S NO "I" IN TEAM.
9:17:23AM I HAVE TO RECOGNIZE HIS SUPERVISOR KEVIN MADISON, HIS
9:17:27AM MANAGER GARY STUART, AND OUR FEARLESS LEADER SAL RUGGIERO
9:17:31AM WHO STRAIGHT UP GIVES US THE TOOLS WE NEED.
9:17:35AM HE SUPPORTS US.
9:17:36AM AS A TEAM, WE'RE THE BEST CITY DEPARTMENT AND I'M A LITTLE
9:17:39AM BIAS, BUT I SAID IT.
9:17:41AM CONGRATS, GEORGE.
9:17:42AM THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
9:17:44AM >> COUNCIL, IF I MAY, I'D ALSO LIKE TO BRING UP DEPUTY
9:17:47AM ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, SAL RUGGIERO, TO SAY A FEW
9:17:51AM WORDS.
9:17:51AM >>SAL RUGGIERO: I WANT TO ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING.
9:17:55AM I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE DID ASSESS FIRE FLEET.
9:17:58AM AND AS A RESULT, WE'RE GOING TO SEND TWO MORE MECHANICS OVER
9:18:02AM THERE OCTOBER 1st TO HELP WITH THE BACKLOG AND GETTING THE

9:18:07AM TRUCKS OUT.
9:18:07AM WE WANT TO BEEF UP THAT UNIT.
9:18:09AM OCTOBER 1st, THEY GET TWO MORE UNITS.
9:18:12AM JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.
9:18:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN I SEE THE SPELLING, I THINK OF THE
9:18:19AM SPANISH WAY AUTOMATICALLY.
9:18:21AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:18:21AM I KNOW WE HAVE SOME GOODIES AND COUNCIL WILL SAY A FEW
9:18:26AM WORDS.
9:18:27AM GENTLEMEN, I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN FAIRNESS AND EQUITY.
9:18:33AM FOR MANY YEARS, OUR POLICE AND FIRE HAVE PERCEIVED -- THAT
9:18:39AM WILL HAPPEN NO MORE.
9:18:40AM THE ATU WILL GET A GAME BALL.
9:18:43AM WHEN I USED TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, THESE GUYS ARE OUT THERE
9:18:46AM SETTING UP ROADS, DOING CERTAIN THINGS FOR EVENTS.
9:18:50AM THEY DESERVE THE SAME.
9:18:52AM OFFICIALLY TODAY, GAME BALL TO ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES.
9:19:00AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:19:00AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:19:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COME TO THE OTHER SIDE SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR
9:19:16AM YOU.
9:19:17AM >> BRIAN FORD.
9:19:18AM AS COUNCILMAN MENTIONED, WHEN HE BROUGHT THIS AWARD TO MY
9:19:21AM ATTENTION, WE APPRECIATE THE BEHIND-THE-SCENES EFFORTS AS
9:19:24AM WELL.

9:19:24AM WE HAVE A TRADITION AT ONE BUC, ANYBODY THAT GOES OVER AND
9:19:27AM ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.
9:19:30AM HERE IS A LITTLE SOUVENIR FOR YOU, SIR.
9:19:32AM THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR ALL YOU DO FOR OUR CITY AND
9:19:35AM COMMUNITY.
9:19:36AM THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THIS AS WELL.
9:19:40AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:19:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOT SOME OTHER FOLKS TO BRING UP SOME
9:19:51AM GOODIES.
9:19:53AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:19:53AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:19:54AM WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:19:56AM ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS, WE'RE GOING
9:20:01AM TO PROVIDE WITH YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO YUMMY HOUSE CHINA
9:20:04AM BISTRO.
9:20:05AM GO ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE.
9:20:07AM ON BEHALF OF THE CICCIO'S GROUP AND GREEN LEMON, WE'RE
9:20:16AM PROVIDING YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO YOU CAN GO OVER
9:20:18AM THERE.
9:20:18AM ON BEHALF OF BELLABRAVA, WHICH IS IN THE MIDTOWN, YOU CAN
9:20:22AM ENJOY YOURSELF THERE.
9:20:24AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:20:25AM I HOPE YOU ENJOY THAT.
9:20:26AM >> THANK YOU.
9:20:26AM [ APPLAUSE ]

9:20:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:20:36AM ANDREW CARTER, PRESIDENT OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754.
9:20:40AM YOU HEARD IT.
9:20:40AM KEEPING THE TRUCKS ROLLING, KEEPING THE BOATS FLOATING.
9:20:44AM THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
9:20:45AM THE WORK YOU DO, I WANT TO APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU FOR
9:20:47AM EVERYTHING YOU AND THE TEAM DOES.
9:20:49AM THANK YOU FOR TWO ADDITIONAL MECHANICS.
9:20:51AM THAT WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
9:20:53AM ON BEHALF OF ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS,
9:20:55AM HERE IS A GIFT CARD FOR YOU TO ENJOY.
9:20:59AM >> THANK YOU.
9:20:59AM >> THANK YOU.
9:20:59AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:21:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE YOU SAY A FEW WORDS.
9:21:06AM OH, WE HAVE MORE COMING.
9:21:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPP'S TOWING ON BEHALF OF TODD STEPP AND
9:21:19AM THE FAMILY.
9:21:20AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
9:21:21AM WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT WITH YOU A GIFT CARD TO THE OUTBACK
9:21:24AM STEAKHOUSE RESTAURANT.
9:21:27AM THANK YOU.
9:21:30AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:21:33AM >> AND ALSO, ON BEHALF OF ATU LOCAL 1464, WE APPRECIATE
9:21:37AM EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO TO HELP KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA

9:21:40AM RUNNING.
9:21:40AM SO WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT WITH YOU A TOKEN OF APPRECIATION AS
9:21:43AM WELL.
9:21:44AM $100 GIFT CARD.
9:21:46AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:21:46AM APPRECIATE IT.
9:21:47AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:21:52AM >> I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT TODAY TO
9:21:55AM SUPPORT ME AND THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ALL THE STAFF.
9:22:00AM IT REALLY MEANS A LOT TO ME.
9:22:04AM I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE.
9:22:09AM THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
9:22:09AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:22:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCIL MEMBERS?
9:22:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:22:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO.
9:22:19AM I'M SORRY I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET YOU YET.
9:22:21AM IF YOU EVER NEED ANYTHING, LET ME KNOW.
9:22:23AM LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU AND ALL THE GREAT EFFORTS
9:22:25AM YOU'RE DOING.
9:22:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.
9:22:28AM IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO BE HONORED AS THE ATU EMPLOYEE, AND
9:22:32AM IT'S OBVIOUS BY YOUR CHARISMA, DEMEANOR AND THE MANY PEOPLE
9:22:38AM THAT SHOWED UP FOR YOU THAT YOU DO GREAT WORK AND PEOPLE
9:22:41AM SUPPORT YOU.

9:22:42AM THAT'S WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
9:22:43AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND GOD BLESS YOU.
9:22:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAD COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:22:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
9:22:47AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
9:22:48AM AS MR. SIMON SAYS, YOU KEEP THE CITY RUNNING AND YOU ARE
9:22:51AM THAT GUY AND WITH YOUR TEAM.
9:22:53AM SO WE APPRECIATE IT.
9:22:55AM IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU, YOU HEARD IT FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.
9:22:57AM WE WOULDN'T BE MOVING FORWARD AND EFFICIENTLY.
9:23:02AM SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
9:23:04AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:23:05AM VERY WELL DESERVED.
9:23:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:23:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CONGRATULATIONS ON 20 YEARS AND BEING CHOSEN
9:23:12AM AS THE ATU LOCAL EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH.
9:23:18AM WE ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:23:20AM AND I LOVE THESE BECAUSE I LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THE CITY
9:23:25AM RUNS.
9:23:25AM IT IS TRUE, WE ABSOLUTELY COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU.
9:23:29AM WE WERE ALL WONDERING WHY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS HERE THIS
9:23:34AM MORNING.
9:23:35AM OH, MY GOSH, WE DON'T HAVE A COMMENDATION FOR THEM TODAY.
9:23:37AM BUT THEY SHOWED UP FOR YOU.
9:23:39AM I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES.

9:23:42AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
9:23:44AM I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA REALLY APPRECIATES YOUR WORK
9:23:47AM AND EVERYONE HERE WHO'S COME TO SUPPORT YOU DOES AS WELL.
9:23:51AM THANK YOU.
9:23:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:23:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:23:55AM MR. HERNANDEZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:23:58AM YOU KEEP THINGS RUNNING, LIKE SIMON SAYS.
9:24:02AM EVIDENTLY, YOU AND I ARE KEEPING THE BARBERS VERY, VERY
9:24:07AM THIN.
9:24:07AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:24:07AM I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WAY YOU LOOK.
9:24:09AM IT MAKES ME FEEL AT HOME.
9:24:11AM I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN.
9:24:13AM [SPEAKING SPANISH]
9:24:18AM FROM TEN HORSE-POWER TO 32,000-HORSEPOWER, YOU'RE ONE HELL
9:24:22AM OF A GUY.
9:24:24AM >> THANK YOU.
9:24:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU'RE STATION 9.
9:24:28AM >> YES, SIR.
9:24:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GREAT STATION.
9:24:30AM TAKES CARE OF THE MOVING PARTS.
9:24:32AM TAKES CARE OF THE FIRE AND THE EMERGENCIES.
9:24:34AM THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.
9:24:37AM BUT MORE ESPECIALLY AS YOU LOOK AROUND THIS ROOM, THANK YOU

9:24:40AM FOR BEING PART OF THE FAMILY THAT IS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:24:45AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
9:24:47AM >> YES, SIR.
9:24:48AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:25:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:25:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE TO DO THE
9:25:38AM OFFICER OF THE MONTH HERE FOR OFFICER JORGE TAMARGO.
9:25:43AM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CHIEF O'CONNOR TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
9:25:45AM THIS FINE GENTLEMAN'S BACKGROUND.
9:25:47AM IT'S ALWAYS THE PLEASURE OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO HONOR OUR
9:25:50AM POLICE OFFICERS UNDER THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH PROGRAM.
9:25:54AM IT IS A VERY SMALL GESTURE OF APPRECIATION, SINCERE
9:25:57AM APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THEY DO.
9:25:58AM IT'S A LEVEL OF APPRECIATION THAT WE DO AS REPRESENTATIVES
9:26:01AM OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO OVERWHELMINGLY
9:26:05AM STRONGLY SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN THE WORK THAT THEY
9:26:07AM DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.
9:26:09AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO THAT REFLECTS THE VALUES OF THE
9:26:11AM PEOPLE WHO WE HAVE THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING WHO SUPPORT OUR
9:26:15AM FIRST RESPONDERS, INCLUDING THOSE POLICE OFFICERS WHO EVERY
9:26:18AM SINGLE DAY PUT THEIR LIFE IN DANGER TO PROTECT US.
9:26:21AM AND NONE GREATER THAN OFFICER TAMARGO HERE.
9:26:26AM I WILL INTRODUCE CHIEF O'CONNOR WHO WILL COME AND SAY SOME
9:26:29AM BACKGROUND ON THIS FINE YOUNG GENTLEMAN.
9:26:33AM >>CHIEF O'CONNOR: GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

9:26:34AM CHIEF MARY O'CONNOR HERE WITH OFFICER GEORGE TAMARGO.
9:26:39AM HE IS A SEVEN-YEAR VETERAN OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
9:26:41AM I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS THAT HE'S DONE TO
9:26:44AM DESERVE THIS FINE RECOGNITION TODAY.
9:26:46AM SINCE FEBRUARY 2021, OFFICER GEORGE TAMARGO HAS BEEN
9:26:49AM ASSIGNED TO STREET ANTI-CRIMES, SQUAD NUMBER 331 IN DISTRICT
9:26:54AM 3.
9:26:54AM DURING THE MONTH OF MAY 2022, OFFICER TAMARGO HAS PLAYED AN
9:26:59AM INTEGRAL PART IN THE CRIME FIGHT WHILE DISPLAYING THE
9:27:02AM ABILITY TO MULTITASK DURING HIGH-STRESS SITUATIONS WHILE
9:27:06AM REQUIRING MINIMAL SUPERVISION.
9:27:09AM OFFICER TAMARGO IS SELF-MOTIVATING AND CONSTANTLY REACHES
9:27:13AM OUT TO HIS UNITS TO ASSIST WITH LATENT INVESTIGATIONS AND
9:27:19AM FOLLOW-UPS.
9:27:20AM HE HAS ALSO DEVELOPED A RAPPORT WITH SEVERAL CITIZENS IN
9:27:23AM DISTRICT 3 THAT REACH OUT TO HIM DAILY.
9:27:26AM SOME OF THE NOTABLE ARRESTS DURING THE MONTH OF MAY 2022 FOR
9:27:29AM OFFICER TAMARGO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:
9:27:31AM ON MAY 9th, OFFICER TAMARGO ATTEMPTED A TRAFFIC STOP FOR
9:27:35AM EQUIPMENT VIOLATION AND THE VEHICLE FLED.
9:27:38AM DURING THIS INVESTIGATION, OFFICER TAMARGO WAS ABLE TO
9:27:40AM DEVELOP LEADS FOR THE SUSPECT DRIVER AND LOCATE THE VEHICLE
9:27:44AM WHICH HE FOUND ABANDONED.
9:27:46AM OFFICER TAMARGO AND HIS PARTNER SET UP SURVEILLANCE,
9:27:50AM WITNESSED THE DRIVER COMING BACK TO THE VEHICLE AND WAS

9:27:52AM SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED WITHOUT INCIDENT.
9:27:54AM A SEARCH OF THE VEHICLE REVEALED FELONY AMOUNTS OF NARCOTICS
9:27:57AM ALONG WITH A FIREARM.
9:27:58AM THE DEFENDANT WAS ALSO ON FELONY PROBATION AND WAS CHARGED
9:28:01AM ACCORDINGLY.
9:28:03AM ON MAY 18th, OFFICER TAMARGO WITNESSED AN ARMED CARJACKING
9:28:07AM TAKE PLACE IN FRONT OF KING'S MEAT MARKET.
9:28:10AM OFFICER TAMARGO AND HIS PARTNER WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE
9:28:13AM DIRECTION OF TRAVEL FOR THE THREE SUSPECTS LEADING TO THE
9:28:16AM APPREHENSION OF TWO OF THE THREE SUSPECTS.
9:28:18AM IN ADDITION, THE FIREARM USED DURING THE OFFENSE WAS
9:28:22AM RECOVERED DURING THE FOOT CHASE OF THE SUSPECTS.
9:28:24AM OFFICER TAMARGO WAS ABLE TO INTERVIEW THE VICTIM IN THIS
9:28:28AM CASE AND THROUGH LATENT INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES WAS ABLE TO
9:28:32AM IDENTIFY THE THIRD SUSPECT.
9:28:33AM THIS SUSPECT WAS FROM OUT OF STATE, SO THE OFFICER REACHED
9:28:36AM OUT TO THE LOUISIANA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO OBTAIN A PHOTO OF
9:28:40AM THE SUSPECT.
9:28:41AM HE THEN CREATED A PHOTO PACK WHICH WAS SHOWN TO THE VICTIM
9:28:45AM WHO SUBSEQUENTLY IDENTIFIED THE ALLEGED SUSPECT.
9:28:48AM HE THEN COMPLETED AN ARREST WARRANT AND REACHED OUT TO THE
9:28:51AM FUGITIVE APPREHENSION UNIT WHO WERE ABLE TO ARREST THE
9:28:54AM SUSPECT AFTER HE FLED BACK TO HIS HOME STATE OF LOUISIANA.
9:28:57AM DURING THE WEEK OF MAY 25th, OFFICER TAMARGO CONDUCTED TWO
9:29:01AM SEPARATE PROSTITUTION OPERATIONS OFF NEBRASKA AVENUE

9:29:04AM CORRIDOR AFTER SEVERAL CITIZEN COMPLAINTS.
9:29:08AM DURING THE OPERATION A TOTAL OF 11 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED AND
9:29:11AM 7 MOTOR VEHICLES WERE SEIZED DURING THIS QUALITY-OF-LIFE
9:29:15AM INVESTIGATION.
9:29:16AM THIS OPERATION INVOLVED SEVERAL OFFICERS FROM MULTIPLE
9:29:19AM SQUADS IN DISTRICT 3 AND OFFICER TAMARGO WAS ABLE TO
9:29:22AM SUCCESSFULLY MANAGE THE ENTIRE OPERATION WITH MINIMAL INPUT
9:29:25AM FROM SUPERVISORS.
9:29:26AM THESE ARE JUST A FEW INSTANCES WHERE THIS OFFICER HAS GONE
9:29:30AM ABOVE AND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF HIS DUTIES.
9:29:33AM OFFICER TAMARGO BRINGS AN ENTHUSIASTIC DEMEANOR TO WORK EACH
9:29:37AM DAY AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA INSPIRES
9:29:40AM HIS FELLOW SQUAD MATES.
9:29:42AM FOR THESE REASONS, OFFICER GEORGE TAMARGO HAS BEEN SELECTED
9:29:45AM AS TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR AUGUST
9:29:48AM 2022.
9:29:49AM I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT WHEN WE BROUGHT OFFICER TAMARGO TO
9:29:53AM THE AWARD CEREMONY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT POLICE
9:29:56AM HEADQUARTERS, HIS SQUAD WAS ALL THERE ENTHUSIASTICALLY
9:30:00AM CHEERING HIM ON.
9:30:01AM WHEN I MENTIONED THAT TO HIM THAT IT WAS REALLY HONORABLE
9:30:03AM THAT HIS WHOLE SQUAD CAME ON THEIR DAY OFF TO HONOR HIM, HE
9:30:07AM SAID THAT THIS AWARD WAS DESERVING OF THEIR RECOGNITION, NOT
9:30:10AM JUST HIS.
9:30:11AM SO HIS TEAMWORK IS EXEMPLARY AND I WANTED TO MENTION THAT TO

9:30:16AM YOU.
9:30:16AM WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OFFICER TAMARGO AND HAPPY TO HONOR HIM
9:30:19AM TODAY, SO THANK YOU.
9:30:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.
9:30:22AM WE APPRECIATE THAT.
9:30:23AM BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE GOODIES, AND WE SEE WE HAVE SOME
9:30:27AM FAMILY MEMBERS.
9:30:28AM WHAT'S YOUR NAME, BUDDY?
9:30:29AM GOD BLESS HIM.
9:30:36AM IT'S OUR GREAT HONOR TO PRESENT TO OFFICER JORGE TAMARGO THE
9:30:41AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION FOR OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
9:30:44AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOES TO HIM AND TO HIS WONDERFUL
9:30:46AM FAMILY THAT SUPPORTS HIM IN HIS JOB.
9:30:49AM IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, SIR.
9:30:51AM AFTERWARDS WE'LL HAVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COME OUT AND
9:30:53AM HONOR YOU AND THEN COUNCIL WILL SPEAK.
9:30:56AM WE APPRECIATE YOU.
9:30:57AM LET'S GIVE HIM A HAND.
9:31:01AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:31:05AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR HAVING ME TODAY AND HONORING ME
9:31:08AM WITH THIS AWARD.
9:31:09AM I'M JUST THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS AWARD.
9:31:12AM I'M NOT THE ONE WHO DESERVES GETTING THIS AWARD.
9:31:14AM THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF OFFICERS WHO WORK EVERY
9:31:16AM DAY WHO PUT THEIR UNIFORMS ON, KISS THEIR FAMILIES AND WALK

9:31:20AM OUT THE DOOR NOT KNOWING IF THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK.
9:31:23AM THEY MISS BIRTHDAYS, VACATIONS, SPECIAL EVENTS.
9:31:27AM THEY ARE EQUALLY AS DESERVING OF THIS AWARD.
9:31:30AM I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION MY SQUAD 331 WHO ON A
9:31:35AM DAILY BASIS HUNTS, FINDS, AND ARRESTS VIOLENT FELONS IN AND
9:31:41AM AROUND EAST TAMPA AND HELPING KEEP THAT COMMUNITY SAFE.
9:31:44AM I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL AND ANYBODY ELSE HERE JUST ONE FAVOR
9:31:47AM BEFORE I FINISH MY REMARKS.
9:31:49AM WHEN THEY LEAVE THIS BUILDING TODAY TO NEXT TIME THEY SEE A
9:31:53AM POLICE OFFICER, DOESN'T MATTER WHO, TO EXTEND THEIR HAND TO
9:31:56AM THAT POLICE OFFICER AND TELL THEM THANK YOU.
9:31:59AM NOT THE TYPICAL THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BUT A SINCERE
9:32:02AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT THEY DO IN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THEY PUT
9:32:05AM THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE EVERY DAY AND HOW THEY HELP THE CITY
9:32:09AM OF TAMPA.
9:32:10AM THANK YOU.
9:32:11AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: IT IS OUR PLEASURE NOW TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE
9:32:18AM COMMUNITY COME FORWARD AND EXPRESS THEIR APPRECIATION TO
9:32:21AM OFFICER TAMARGO.
9:32:22AM I WANTED TO BUILD ON WHAT HE SAID.
9:32:25AM WHENEVER I TALK TO OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS, ALWAYS SAY
9:32:27AM THEY RUN INTO SITUATIONS THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME RUN AWAY FROM.
9:32:30AM I ALWAYS THINK THAT IS A GOOD ADEQUATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT
9:32:34AM HAPPENS.

9:32:38AM >> BRANDON BARKLEY, VICE PRESIDENT TAMPA PBA.
9:32:41AM OFFICER TAMARGO, WE'RE PRESENTING YOU WITH THIS PLAQUE.
9:32:44AM WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
9:32:45AM OBVIOUSLY, THE CHIEF SAID ALL THE PHENOMENAL THINGS BOTH YOU
9:32:47AM AND YOUR SQUAD DO.
9:32:48AM WE APPRECIATE YOU AND THE CITIZENS ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
9:32:52AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:32:53AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:33:01AM >> OFFICER TAMARGO, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY
9:33:05AM AND COLUMBIA RESTAURANT.
9:33:06AM I'M HERE TO PRESENT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WITH A GIFT CARD TO
9:33:09AM THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT FOR YOU TO ENJOY AT ANY COLUMBIA
9:33:13AM RESTAURANT LOCATION ACROSS FLORIDA.
9:33:16AM ENJOY WITH YOUR FAMILY, A NIGHT OFF, YOU DESERVE IT.
9:33:19AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE.
9:33:21AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:33:27AM >> MIRANDA HILTON FROM STEPP'S TOWING.
9:33:31AM ON BEHALF TODD STEPP AND THE STEPP'S TOWING FAMILY WE THANK
9:33:36AM YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
9:33:37AM WE HAVE A GIFT CARD TO A RESTAURANT FOR YOU AS WELL AS A
9:33:40AM FIVE-HOUR LIMOUSINE SERVICE FOR YOU AND 18 OF YOUR CLOSEST
9:33:45AM FRIENDS TO ENJOY A NIGHT OUT ON US.
9:33:48AM THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOU DO.
9:33:51AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:33:56AM >> GOOD MORNING AGAIN, COUNCIL, CHIEF, OFFICER TAMARGO, YOU

9:34:00AM HAD ONE HECK OF A MAY.
9:34:02AM BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THANK YOU, AS YOU MENTIONED, FOR WHAT
9:34:04AM YOU DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT, THE SACRIFICE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY
9:34:09AM GIVE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
9:34:10AM AS AN ORGANIZATION, THE GLAZER FAMILY, WE WANT TO SAY THANK
9:34:13AM YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
9:34:15AM CONGRATULATE YOU ON THIS WONDERFUL HONOR.
9:34:17AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:34:18AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:34:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:34:25AM MARY LOU BAILEY.
9:34:26AM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA.
9:34:28AM I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THERE.
9:34:30AM WITH ME IS --
9:34:31AM >> MARK HEANEY.
9:34:32AM I'M THE CHIEF EXTERNAL RELATIONS OFFICER.
9:34:35AM >> I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU.
9:34:36AM I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS OF RECOGNIZING THE ENTIRE
9:34:40AM FORCE OF TAMPA POLICE.
9:34:41AM YOU GUYS ALL ROCK.
9:34:42AM BUT YOU'RE VERY SPECIAL TO HAVE THIS DISTINGUISHED HONOR.
9:34:45AM TAKE IT TO YOUR HEART.
9:34:46AM ENJOY IT WITH YOUR FAMILY.
9:34:48AM WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT YOU WITH AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO ZOO
9:34:51AM TAMPA.

9:34:52AM HOPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY LOVE IT AND HAVE FUN AND COME TO
9:34:55AM LOVE ANIMALS AS MUCH AS MARK AND I DO.
9:34:58AM THE ANNUAL PASS ALSO COMES WITH ADMISSION TO THINGS LIKE THE
9:35:01AM UPCOMING HALLOWEEN EVENTS, CHRISTMAS IN THE WILD EVENTS AND
9:35:04AM ALL KINDS OF FUN THINGS I HOPE YOU ENJOY AND THAT YOU JOIN
9:35:07AM OUR MISSION OF SAVING ANIMALS LIKE YOU SAVE HUMAN LIVES.
9:35:11AM THANKS AGAIN.
9:35:12AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:35:14AM >> THANK YOU.
9:35:14AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:35:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:35:20AM ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE, I'M HONORED TO GIVE YOU THE GIFT
9:35:24AM OF A MEMBERSHIP SO YOU CAN COME AND VISIT US, MAYBE A DATE
9:35:28AM NIGHT FOR YOUR NIGHT AND CANDY FOR THE LITTLE ONE.
9:35:32AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:35:33AM WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:35:34AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:35:38AM >> RUNNING OUT OF HANDS.
9:35:40AM STEVE MICHELINI.
9:35:42AM LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY AND
9:35:45AM ITS CITIZENS.
9:35:46AM ON BEHALF OF MEAT MARKET AND OLD HYDE PARK, WE'RE PROVIDING
9:35:49AM WITH YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE.
9:35:51AM ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:35:54AM BEHALF OF CICCIO'S RESTAURANT GROUP, BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR

9:35:57AM DINNER.
9:35:59AM BELLABRAVA MIDTOWN, GO ENJOY YOURSELF FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:36:04AM BEHALF OF THE TAMPA YMCA, A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO GO OVER
9:36:07AM THERE.
9:36:07AM YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, YOU CAN ENJOY YOURSELF THERE FOR
9:36:15AM LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:36:16AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:36:16AM WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
9:36:16AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:36:17AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:36:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT, MR. CHAIR.
9:36:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:36:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR ALL YOUR
9:36:30AM DEDICATION AND SERVICE AND NOW MORE THAN EVER WE NEED YOUR
9:36:33AM HELP AND PROTECTION.
9:36:34AM THE SIGN OF A GREAT LEADER IS THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE
9:36:37AM CREDIT TO OTHERS.
9:36:38AM WE ALL SEE THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN HIGHER
9:36:43AM LEVEL LEADERSHIP SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
9:36:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
9:36:47AM VERY WELL DESERVED.
9:36:49AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE AND YOUR SERVICE.
9:36:51AM THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY.
9:36:53AM SPEAKING OF FAMILY, I KNOW THE TAMARGOS WELL.
9:36:56AM I SEE CYNTHIA THERE, A LONGTIME FRIEND OF MY MOTHER'S.

9:37:00AM YOU COME FROM A GREAT FAMILY, WELL-RESPECTED IN THE
9:37:03AM COMMUNITY IN WEST TAMPA.
9:37:04AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY FOR
9:37:06AM EVERYTHING THEY DO.
9:37:07AM VERY WELL DESERVED, SIR.
9:37:09AM THANK YOU.
9:37:10AM >> THANK YOU.
9:37:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO, ESPECIALLY
9:37:14AM IN DISTRICT 3 IN AN AREA THAT IS SUFFERING FROM GUN
9:37:19AM VIOLENCE.
9:37:20AM I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS YOU TAKING THE GUNS OFF
9:37:24AM THE STREET.
9:37:25AM I REALLY LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR CREATIVITY AND THE ABILITY
9:37:27AM TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND DO THINGS WITH THE SUPPORT OF
9:37:32AM YOUR SUPERIORS, BUT NOT NEEDING THE HAND HOLDING.
9:37:36AM I THINK THAT IS A GREAT SIGN OF A TRUE LEADER TO COME.
9:37:39AM SO CONGRATULATIONS.
9:37:40AM >> THANK YOU.
9:37:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:37:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SAC SQUAD, BROUGHT THAT BACK.
9:37:49AM >> YES, SIR.
9:37:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN THE BRIEF THAT WAS GIVEN, I HEARD KINGS
9:37:54AM MARKET.
9:37:56AM EYESORE OF 22nd STREET CORRIDOR.
9:38:01AM I KNOW THE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE ON THAT CORRIDOR AND ON

9:38:04AM LAKE AVENUE.
9:38:05AM SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
9:38:09AM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICER THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET
9:38:12AM DEVELOPMENT ON LAKE AVENUE.
9:38:15AM LIQUOR STORE, MEAT MARKET, GOOD HOUSING, AND REALLY GIVE AN
9:38:21AM IMPACT TO 22nd STREET AND LAKE AVENUE.
9:38:25AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
9:38:27AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:38:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:38:29AM AGAIN, THE TAMARGO FAMILY IS VERY WELL KNOWN.
9:38:32AM I REMEMBER -- WELL, A LOT OF YEARS BACK, THERE WAS A KID
9:38:36AM PITCHING IN WEST TAMPA.
9:38:37AM I DON'T KNOW IF PART OF YOUR FAMILY.
9:38:40AM KID NAMED TAMARGO.
9:38:41AM HE LED IN EVERYTHING.
9:38:43AM I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED, IF HE PLAYED ANY MORE BALL
9:38:46AM AFTER THAT.
9:38:47AM I KNOW HE WAS A FANTASTIC BALLPLAYER.
9:38:49AM THAT'S NOT TO SAY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS UNBELIEVABLE.
9:38:53AM WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND WHICH WAY THIS COUNTRY IS GOING,
9:38:59AM MORE KIDS, YOUNG PEOPLE UNDER 21 ARE GETTING KILLED BY
9:39:03AM GUNFIRE THAN BY TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, AND THAT'S SHAMEFUL, NOT
9:39:08AM THAT I WANT TO SEE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS GO UP, NO.
9:39:12AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT COUNTRIES, WE HAVE THE DISTINCT HONOR OF
9:39:15AM BEING MORE DEATH BY GUNFIRE UNDER THE SAME AGE, 21 AND DOWN,

9:39:21AM THAN THE NEXT 15 COUNTRIES THAT HAVE SUBTYPE OF GOVERNMENT
9:39:27AM LIKE WE DO.
9:39:28AM THAT'S SHAMEFUL.
9:39:29AM THIS COUNTRY BETTER GET AHOLD OF THEMSELVES, WHAT'S COMING
9:39:34AM HERE NO ONE CAN STOP.
9:39:36AM I IMAGINE EVEN IN THIS CITY, ALTHOUGH WE'RE DOING GREAT WITH
9:39:39AM CHIEF OF POLICE O'CONNOR AND THE REST OF THE GENTLEMEN AND
9:39:43AM LADIES THAT WORK AT TPD, WE'RE NOT HEADING IN THE RIGHT
9:39:48AM DIRECTION.
9:39:48AM UP TO ALL OF US, NOT ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALL OF US
9:39:51AM TO GET BEHIND AND STOP THIS STUPIDITY OF KILLING SOMEBODY.
9:39:56AM JUST YESTERDAY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND I WENT TO A BENCH
9:39:58AM DEDICATION, AND IT WAS JUST PITIFUL TO SEE SOMEBODY WHO WAS
9:40:02AM 21 YEARS OLD WHO HAD A 5.0 OUT OF PLANT WHO WAS A NURSE AND
9:40:09AM WORKING AT TAMPA GENERAL GET SHOT BY SENSELESS INDIVIDUALS
9:40:12AM JUST SHOOTING AT A CAR.
9:40:14AM WHAT WORSE THAN THAT CAN YOU HAVE?
9:40:17AM JUST PUT YOUR SHOES IN THOSE FAMILIES, FEEL FOR A WHILE AND
9:40:24AM SEE HOW THEY FEEL.
9:40:25AM INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF AND ALL THE POLICE AND ALL THE
9:40:29AM DEPUTIES AND ALL OF THEM THAT WORK IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU
9:40:33AM DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE COMING BACK, YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE THIS
9:40:36AM COUNTRY IS GETTING SENSELESS.
9:40:37AM IT'S GETTING STUPID.
9:40:40AM YOU DON'T KILL SOMEBODY WITHOUT REPARATIONS.

9:40:42AM SO THEY ARE KILLING EACH OTHER FOR WHATEVER REASON.
9:40:45AM THIS IS NOT 1820 WHEN BILLY THE KID WAS OUT THERE FIGHTING
9:40:50AM IN THE WEST DOING WHATEVER HE WANTED TO DO.
9:40:55AM THIS IS -- SOCIETY IS SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER.
9:40:59AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
9:41:00AM IF I DID, WE COULD SOLVE IT.
9:41:02AM I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
9:41:05AM BUT IT'S A COMBINATION OF MANY THINGS, INCLUDING WHEN YOU'RE
9:41:08AM BORN, ALL YOU SEE ON TV IS VIOLENCE.
9:41:11AM ALL YOU SEE ON YOUR CELL PHONE IS VIOLENCE.
9:41:13AM IT BECOMES, I GUESS, PART OF THE NORM.
9:41:15AM IT CANNOT BE PART OF THE NORM MUCH LONGER.
9:41:18AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO.
9:41:19AM GOD BLESS YOUR FAMILY.
9:41:21AM GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU WITH A BADGE.
9:41:23AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:41:23AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:41:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHERE IS SHE AT?
9:41:33AM THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR SHARING YOUR HUSBAND WITH US.
9:41:44AM OFFICER TAMARGO, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR
9:41:48AM THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
9:41:51AM THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE FAMILY OF TAMPA.
9:41:53AM TO YOUR COMMENTS, WHEN MYSELF AND MY GIRLFRIEND GO AROUND TO
9:41:58AM THE THINGS THAT WE DO, I WALK UP TO EVERY OFFICER AND I
9:42:03AM SHAKE THEIR HAND.

9:42:04AM THEY'LL USUALLY RESPOND, COUNCILMAN, HOW ARE YOU DOING?
9:42:08AM MY GIRLFRIEND WILL SAY, DO YOU KNOW EVERY POLICE OFFICER IN
9:42:10AM TAMPA?
9:42:11AM I SAY NOT YET.
9:42:12AM BUT I AM GOING TO MEET EVERY ONE AND THANK THEM.
9:42:16AM THE LAST THING I SAY TO THEM IS, "HAVE A SAFE DAY."
9:42:20AM OFFICER TAMARGO, THANK YOU.
9:42:24AM THANK YOUR FAMILY SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:42:28AM AND, OFFICER TAMARGO, HAVE A SAFE DAY.
9:42:31AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:42:31AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:42:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SULLIVAN.
9:43:32AM COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S BEEN 60 YEARS -- 60 YEARS SINCE THE
9:43:43AM TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAS COME INTO EXISTENCE.
9:43:47AM WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 1974 AND YOU WOULD LOOK OUT OF THE TOP
9:43:53AM OF THE FIRST FLORIDA BUILDING, WHICH WAS THE ONLY TALL
9:43:56AM BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA, YOU WOULD SEE DISTANT LIGHTS --
9:44:01AM CLEARWATER, ST. PETERSBURG.
9:44:03AM YOU WOULD SEE DISTANT LIGHTS DOWN INTO MANATEE COUNTY.
9:44:08AM AND WE WERE STILL SEPARATED.
9:44:10AM 60 YEARS AGO, THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL
9:44:15AM BROUGHT US ALL TOGETHER, NOT ONLY HILLSBOROUGH, BUT
9:44:19AM PINELLAS, MANATEE, PASCO, HERNANDO AND CITRUS COUNTIES.
9:44:25AM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS REGION, THIS TAMPA BAY REGION IS
9:44:31AM GROWING QUICKLY, AND IT'S NO LONGER DISTANT LIGHTS.

9:44:37AM SO WHAT'S GOOD FOR TAMPA IS GOOD FOR ST. PETERSBURG.
9:44:39AM WHAT'S GOOD FOR CLEARWATER IS GOOD FOR DUNEDIN.
9:44:42AM WHAT IS GOOD FOR DUNEDIN IS GOOD FOR MANATEE COUNTY.
9:44:44AM WHAT IS EVER GOOD WE HAVE TO THINK MORE REGIONALLY ON A LOT
9:44:49AM OF THINGS.
9:44:50AM TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND MEETING NEEDS
9:44:55AM OF THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL STRIVES FOR.
9:45:01AM SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENERGY, PREPAREDNESS, NATURAL
9:45:06AM RESOURCES, REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ALL
9:45:13AM THIS IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
9:45:15AM WE HAD -- WHEN I SAY WE BECAUSE I AM A MEMBER, BOARD MEMBER
9:45:20AM OF THIS WONDERFUL GROUP, OF THIS GREAT COUNCIL -- HAD A
9:45:27AM SUCCESSFUL REACH CONFERENCE WHICH DISCUSSED RESILIENCY IN
9:45:30AM THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
9:45:31AM THERE ARE ALSO -- I SEE A GOOD FRIEND IN THE BACK ALSO WITH
9:45:38AM THE COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY SCENIC HIGHWAY TRAIL AND
9:45:40AM IMPROVING IT AND MAKING IT SAFER FOR THE PEOPLE TO VISIT
9:45:44AM THERE AND FOR THE TRAIL AND FOR THE COMMUTE.
9:45:47AM SO MR. SULLIVAN IS HERE REPRESENTING THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL
9:45:53AM PLANNING COUNCIL, AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS.
9:45:57AM IT IS WITH PLEASURE THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES THE
9:46:00AM TAMPA BAY REGIONAL COUNCIL WHO HAS FOR OVER 60 YEARS SERVED
9:46:05AM OUR CITIZENS AND MEMBER GOVERNMENTS BY PROVIDING A FORUM TO
9:46:10AM FASTER COMMUNICATIONS, COORDINATION, AND COLLABORATION IN
9:46:13AM IDENTIFYING AND ADDRESSING ISSUES AND NEEDS REGIONALLY.

9:46:19AM THEY ARE RECOGNIZED AS FLORIDA'S ONLY MULTIPURPOSE REGIONAL
9:46:24AM ENTITY PROVIDING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
9:46:27AM AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, THE TAMPA BAY
9:46:30AM REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL IS STRATEGIC REGIONAL POLICY PLAN
9:46:35AM REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTES, WHICH INCLUDES ECONOMIC
9:46:39AM DEVELOPMENT, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, NATURAL RESOURCES,
9:46:43AM REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE TAMPA CITY
9:46:46AM COUNCIL IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE YOUR -- OUR -- 60th
9:46:53AM ANNIVERSARY AS WELL AS YOUR EXCELLENT CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE
9:46:56AM QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA BAY REGION ON THIS
9:47:00AM DAY, THE 25th OF AUGUST, 2022.
9:47:04AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:47:06AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:47:06AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:47:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:47:12AM THANK YOU, CHAIR CITRO, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
9:47:14AM FOR 60 YEARS, THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAS REALLY
9:47:17AM WORKED TO CONVENE THE REGION.
9:47:21AM AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY, WE WERE ADVISED THAT THE FLORIDA
9:47:24AM DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION HAS AWARDED A
9:47:27AM RESILIENCY GRANT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE REGIONAL PLANNING
9:47:31AM COUNCIL WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:47:34AM ON SEPTEMBER 8, WE ARE HOSTING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
9:47:36AM AWARENESS EVENT, IF YOU WILL, AT PORT TAMPA BAY WITH THE
9:47:41AM COAST GUARD ALONG WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH AND TAMPA FIRE

9:47:45AM DEPARTMENTS.
9:47:46AM SO WE CONTINUE TO DO OUR WORK.
9:47:49AM AS THE COUNCILMAN MENTIONED FROM CITRUS COUNTY DOWN TO
9:47:52AM MANATEE COUNTY.
9:47:53AM WE ARE 3.8 MILLION PEOPLE, 5,000 SQUARE MILES.
9:47:57AM FIFTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES.
9:47:59AM IF THIS REGION WERE ITS OWN REGION, WE WOULD HAVE THE 55th
9:48:03AM LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.
9:48:05AM SO AS I LIKE TO SAY, THE TAMPA BAY REGION IS A REGION TO BE
9:48:09AM RECKONED WITH AND IT IS WITH GREAT HONOR AND DISTINCTION
9:48:12AM WE'RE PROUD TO REPRESENT YOU AS BEST WE CAN, AND WE LOOK
9:48:15AM FORWARD TO THE NEXT 60 YEARS, COUNCILMAN.
9:48:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:48:20AM MR. BENSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD A FEW WORDS, PLEASE?
9:48:24AM >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SHAWN AND HIS TEAM ARE AN
9:48:27AM INVALUABLE RESOURCE TO CITY OF TAMPA, PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
9:48:32AM RESILIENCY INITIATIVES, WE WOULD HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED A
9:48:35AM LOT.
9:48:36AM WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITHOUT THE SUPPORT AND THE
9:48:38AM PARTNERSHIP OF THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.
9:48:40AM THANK YOU, SHAWN, FOR YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR ALL YOU DO FOR
9:48:43AM US.
9:48:43AM >> THANK YOU.
9:48:45AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:48:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR

9:48:53AM ALL YOU DO.
9:48:54AM I'M A HUGE PROPONENT OF REGIONALISM.
9:48:59AM CITIZENS DON'T SEE BOUNDARIES.
9:49:00AM THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS ARE.
9:49:02AM MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CITY LIMITS ARE AND MOST
9:49:05AM PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COUNTY LINES ARE.
9:49:07AM IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE IMPACT OF REGIONALISM, LOOK AT THE
9:49:11AM BRIDGES EVERY DAY.
9:49:12AM THEY ARE BUSY IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
9:49:13AM WE KNOW 275, AS ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES WAS STUCK THE OTHER
9:49:16AM DAY, 275 IS BACKED UP ALL THE TIME.
9:49:19AM I-4 IS BACKED UP ALL THE TIME.
9:49:22AM THEY LIVE IN ONE PLACE AND WORK IN ANOTHER AND FRIENDS AND
9:49:25AM FAMILY ALL OVER.
9:49:26AM THE MORE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, THE BETTER OUR ECONOMY WILL
9:49:28AM CONTINUE TO GROW AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE WILL PROSPER.
9:49:31AM THANK YOU.
9:49:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:49:34AM CONGRATULATIONS ON 60 YEARS.
9:49:36AM LIKE YOU SAID, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT 60 YEARS OF
9:49:39AM PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REGION.
9:49:42AM WE LIFT ONE ANOTHER UP.
9:49:45AM WE STAY RESILIENT, BECOME MORE RESILIENT, AND TOGETHER WE
9:49:49AM BUILD A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR EVERYONE.
9:49:51AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

9:49:53AM THANK YOU TO CHAIRMAN CITRO WHO SERVES ON THAT BOARD.
9:49:57AM I WAS THERE BRIEFLY, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE DEDICATION OF THE
9:50:02AM CHAIRMAN AND WORKING WITH OUR OTHER PARTNERS.
9:50:04AM CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.
9:50:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO WANT TO ECHO THE CONGRATULATIONS.
9:50:10AM WHAT THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL DOES IN ALLOWING FOR ALL
9:50:15AM OF US TO COME TOGETHER AND LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER AND SHARE
9:50:18AM OUR SUCCESSES AND TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT IMPACT US ALL
9:50:22AM REGIONALLY IS CRITICAL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF OUR
9:50:26AM COMMUNITIES WOULD BE AS SUCCESSFUL WITHOUT IT, ESPECIALLY
9:50:30AM ECONOMICALLY.
9:50:30AM SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND FOR BEING
9:50:35AM ESPECIALLY, AS MR. BENSON MENTIONED, A WONDERFUL RESOURCE
9:50:38AM FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:50:39AM WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
9:50:41AM THANK YOU.
9:50:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR 60 YEARS.
9:50:46AM TIMES ARE CHANGING.
9:50:48AM THEY WILL CONTINUE TO CHANGE.
9:50:49AM I'M HOPING THAT WE LOOK AT NEW IDEAS, LOW SOCIOECONOMIC
9:50:57AM AREAS TO BRING THEM UP TO STANDARDS OF OTHER AREAS.
9:51:00AM I'M HOPING THE STRIDE OF MOVING FORWARD, MOVING THE TRAIN TO
9:51:04AM A DIFFERENT LEVEL WILL BE DIFFERENT.
9:51:06AM THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR 60 YEARS.
9:51:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. VICE-CHAIRMAN.

9:51:12AM AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR ORGANIZATION.
9:51:15AM 60 YEARS, SOMETIME IN THE MID 60s WHEN YOU STARTED, I
9:51:17AM GUESS.
9:51:18AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, I SIT BACK AND I LAUGH AT
9:51:22AM MYSELF.
9:51:22AM I WONDER WHAT A GALLON OF MILK COST THEN, A SPARE TIRE COST
9:51:28AM THEN, SPARK PLUG COST THEN, THINGS LIKE THAT, ALTHOUGH WE
9:51:31AM NEED THEM, NEEDED THEM THEN, THEY ARE VERY HIGH COST NOW.
9:51:35AM I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO HOUSING BECAUSE IT'S TRIPLED 15
9:51:40AM DIFFERENT TIMES AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
9:51:41AM I WANT TO THANK YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR UNDERSTANDING AND
9:51:45AM GIVING ADVICE.
9:51:46AM SOMETIMES WE TAKE IT; SOMETIMES WE DON'T.
9:51:48AM AND THERE BETWEEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE THE ONES WE HAVE TO
9:51:54AM STEP FORWARD, NEVER TAKE A STEP SIDEWAYS OR BACKWARDS
9:51:57AM BECAUSE YOU'RE LOSING GROUND.
9:51:59AM THE ENVIRONMENT IS CAVING IN AND MAKING JOKES ABOUT IT.
9:52:02AM NO LONGER A LAUGHING MATTER OR JOKING MATTER.
9:52:05AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COLORADO RIVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
9:52:07AM RIVERS AT THE RHINE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS IN
9:52:12AM POLAND, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR OWN, WE HAVE IN CALIFORNIA AND
9:52:14AM THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU UNDERSTAND -- WE SHOULD ALL
9:52:16AM UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT A JOKE ANYMORE.
9:52:19AM IT IS REALITY.
9:52:20AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

9:52:23AM >> THANK YOU.
9:52:24AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:52:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME, WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC
9:52:40AM COMMENT.
9:52:41AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO
9:52:44AM REVIEW THE AGENDA.
9:52:45AM WE DID NOT REVIEW THE AGENDA OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
9:52:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS HOPING TO DO THAT AFTER.
9:52:49AM THROUGH YOUR ADVICE, WE'LL GO AHEAD.
9:52:51AM SORRY, THOSE ABOUT READY TO SPEAK, BUT WE'LL DO OUR AGENDA
9:52:55AM REVIEW.
9:53:14AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THERE WAS AN ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA.
9:53:17AM SEVERAL ITEMS PULLED.
9:53:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHO DO WE HAVE FROM STAFF?
9:53:21AM MS. FEELEY, WILL YOU DO OUR AGENDA REVIEW?
9:53:25AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THERE'S NO ONE HERE, I DON'T BELIEVE,
9:53:27AM GENERALLY FROM STAFF.
9:53:28AM THERE WAS AN ADDENDUM THAT CAME TO THE AGENDA.
9:53:30AM TWO OR THREE THINGS PULLED BY INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR
9:53:34AM DISCUSSION.
9:53:34AM GENERALLY, WE RUN THROUGH THE STAFF ITEMS TO DETERMINE
9:53:39AM WHETHER ANY OF THOSE ITEMS -- WHETHER A MEMO SUFFICES OR
9:53:43AM WHETHER YOU NEEDED STAFF PRESENT FOR THOSE ITEMS.
9:53:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS HOPING THERE WOULD BE STAFF MEMBERS
9:53:48AM HERE WHEN WE RUN THROUGH THE STAFF AGENDA ITEMS.

9:53:51AM OKAY.
9:53:51AM DO WE WANT TO RUN THROUGH OUR STAFF AGENDA ITEMS AT THIS
9:54:04AM TIME?
9:54:06AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: SURE.
9:54:06AM THE STAFF REPORTS WON'T BE GIVEN AT THIS TIME.
9:54:09AM I BELIEVE MR. ROGERO AND OTHERS ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON 5, 6,
9:54:15AM 7.
9:54:15AM I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS.
9:54:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 5, 6, 7 ALSO WILL BE HEARD WITH 69 AND 70 AT
9:54:23AM THE SAME TIME.
9:54:23AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: CORRECT.
9:54:24AM THOSE WERE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
9:54:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, THE FIRST THREE ITEMS, 5, 6, 7,
9:54:32AM IF YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER ARE 260 MILLION PLUS AND THAT'S NOT
9:54:38AM INCLUDING INTEREST.
9:54:39AM IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN ITEMS.
9:54:43AM WE EACH HAD SHORT BRIEFINGS THIS WEEK, AND THE PUBLIC HAS
9:54:49AM NOT HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR THIS BEFORE.
9:54:51AM I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THAT THE PUBLIC HEARD SOME OF IT.
9:54:54AM I PULLED TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE MEETINGS THEY SAID IT WAS
9:54:55AM PRESENTED AND IT WAS ONLY REFERENCES THAT THERE WOULD BE AN
9:54:58AM ITEM COMING UP.
9:55:00AM THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST ITEMS WE'VE EVER APPROVED IN THE
9:55:04AM CITY.
9:55:04AM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE APPROVED THIS TRANSFER FROM THE

9:55:07AM PRIVATE COMPANY TO THE CITY AND I NEVER MADE A MOTION BUT I
9:55:11AM ASKED SEVERAL TIMES FOR THEM TO GIVES YOU AN UPDATE.
9:55:14AM WE HAVE NOT HAD AN UPDATE IN THAT TIME.
9:55:16AM THIS IS A MAJOR INVESTMENT BY THE CITY, MAJOR AMOUNT OF
9:55:19AM MONEY, AND WE'RE BEING HIT WITH THIS ESSENTIALLY AT THE LAST
9:55:22AM MINUTE.
9:55:22AM THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS.
9:55:25AM TODAY THEY WILL HEAR A PRESENTATION.
9:55:26AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE AT LEAST 5,
9:55:31AM 6, 7, MAYBE THE OTHER TWO ITEMS, BUT GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE
9:55:36AM PRESENTATION TODAY.
9:55:36AM I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE VOTE -- MY MOTION IS TO
9:55:40AM CONTINUE THE VOTE ON THESE BUDGET ITEMS UNTIL SEPTEMBER
9:55:44AM 1st SO THAT THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN.
9:55:48AM AND THEN IN THE FUTURE I'LL MAKE A MOTION LATER THAT WE MAKE
9:55:52AM SURE THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO HEARINGS ON ITEMS ABOVE A
9:55:55AM CERTAIN DOLLAR LIMIT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC -- WE HAVE A DUTY TO
9:55:59AM LET THE PUBLIC LISTEN TO THIS, UNDERSTAND IT, AND WEIGH IN.
9:56:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU ASKING THAT WE GO AHEAD AND HEAR
9:56:07AM THESE AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON CONTINUING THEM OR NOT?
9:56:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: MY MOTION IS TO HAVE THEM PRESENT THESE BUT
9:56:14AM CONTINUE -- I'M NOT FINISHED -- BUT CONTINUE THESE ITEMS,
9:56:18AM NOT -- I'M ASKING TO CONTINUE THEM NOW UNTIL SEPTEMBER
9:56:22AM 1st, BUT TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION TODAY.
9:56:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD PREFER TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION

9:56:28AM TODAY AND THEN WE CAN MAKE ANY DECISIONS AFTER WE HEAR THE
9:56:31AM PRESENTATION.
9:56:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF I DON'T GET A SECOND, THEN IT'S MOOT
9:56:35AM ANYWAY.
9:56:35AM I MADE A MOTION.
9:56:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: AS A COURTESY, I DON'T MIND VOTING FOR THIS,
9:56:45AM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO -- I WOULD THINK
9:56:47AM NOT, TIME-SENSITIVE ISSUES HERE.
9:56:50AM IF IT'S ONE WEEK YOU'RE SEEKING -- ONE WEEK, CORRECT?
9:56:54AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD, THE STAFF SAYS IT'S URGENT
9:56:58AM BECAUSE IT TAKES 52 WEEKS TO GET THE EQUIPMENT.
9:57:00AM MY RESPONSE IS, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US THIS A YEAR OR TWO
9:57:04AM YEARS AGO.
9:57:05AM LATELY, WE'VE HAD MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ITEMS COME BEFORE
9:57:07AM US THAT ARE URGENT AND WE HAVE TO APPROVE IMMEDIATELY.
9:57:11AM THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO REVIEW.
9:57:13AM HANNA AVENUE, TWO WEEKS AFTER WE VOTED ON IT THAT SOMEONE
9:57:16AM FROM THE PUBLIC INFORMED US IT WASN'T PUT OUT TO BID.
9:57:19AM IF THEY HAVE TO WAIT 53 WEEKS TO GET THE EQUIPMENT, FINE.
9:57:22AM THEY SHOULD HAVE COME TO US BEFORE.
9:57:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE CAN HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS.
9:57:28AM IF THERE IS NO PREJUDICE, NO BACKLOG ISSUES, IF THERE IS,
9:57:33AM THEN I WOULD BE INCLINED TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
9:57:36AM BUT IF THERE ISN'T, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO VOTE FOR IT AS A
9:57:39AM COURTESY.

9:57:40AM JUST MY THOUGHTS.
9:57:41AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, OBVIOUSLY.
9:57:45AM TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE
9:57:47AM MAKING A DECISION WHETHER YOU PREFER A VOTE OR NOT.
9:57:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO IS HEAR
9:57:55AM FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
9:57:56AM AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, WE CAN VOTE ON
9:57:58AM WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE OR NOT.
9:58:00AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:58:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THOSE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS I DID ASK
9:58:07AM STAFF.
9:58:08AM ALWAYS IN THE NINTH HOUR.
9:58:10AM I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE MR. CARLSON IS COMING FROM, THAT WE
9:58:12AM HAVE TO STOP THIS 9th HOUR OF BRINGING THINGS TO COUNCIL,
9:58:16AM ESPECIALLY HIGH-DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THEN RUSHING US TO MAKE A
9:58:18AM DECISION.
9:58:19AM I CAN AGREE WITH HIS SECOND PART AS FAR AS A FUTURE MOTION
9:58:23AM THAT THAT STOP HAPPENING BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A TREND AND
9:58:27AM WE CAN'T JUST LET THAT HAPPEN.
9:58:28AM THESE ARE HIGH-DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
9:58:29AM I KNOW THE NEED FOR SOLID WASTE.
9:58:31AM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
9:58:34AM I GET THAT.
9:58:35AM I THINK IN THE FUTURE, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, NEEDS TO BE A
9:58:37AM MOTION TO STOP THIS TYPE OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS COMING TO US AT

9:58:45AM THE LAST MINUTE TO REVIEW.
9:58:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
9:58:48AM MR. MIRANDA.
9:58:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TO ME, A DOLLAR AMOUNT IS A DOLLAR
9:58:52AM AMOUNT.
9:58:53AM I LOOK AT A DOLLAR JUST LIKE I LOOK AT A MILLION DOLLARS.
9:58:56AM BECAUSE IF YOU SAVE A DOLLAR, YOU'LL HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS.
9:58:59AM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
9:59:01AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING, SURE IT COME UP.
9:59:05AM WHY?
9:59:06AM WELL, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE SPRUCE STREET
9:59:10AM STARTED AND THE CITY 8, 10 YEARS AGO, WHEN FIRST SAID GOING
9:59:14AM TO MOVE, THE STREET SWEEP OPERATION TO ANOTHER PLACE.
9:59:20AM IF YOU THINK THAT IS EASY, IT IS NOT.
9:59:22AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ONE WEEK, MAYBE
9:59:27AM NOT.
9:59:27AM BUT WHAT WE'RE RUNNING ON IS ON FUMES OVER THERE.
9:59:32AM IF THAT TURBINE GOES DOWN, IF THAT TURBINE GOES DOWN AT
9:59:36AM SOLID WASTE, YOU'RE GOING TO REMEMBER FOR THE REST OF YOUR
9:59:40AM LIFE WHAT ONE WEEK IS.
9:59:42AM I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
9:59:43AM BUT I'M JUST PUTTING NOTICE NOW THAT THAT TURBINE IS OF AGE.
9:59:49AM THAT TURBINE IS NOT MAKING WHAT IT USED TO.
9:59:52AM THAT TURBINE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS.
9:59:57AM THE PUBLIC, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC, TO

9:59:59AM UNDERSTAND.
10:00:00AM WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT TODAY, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
10:00:03AM RISKS ARE.
10:00:03AM THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
10:00:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, CAN I FOLLOW UP?
10:00:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:00:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, HE CAN ANSWER.
10:00:10AM THAT'S FINE.
10:00:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:00:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: AGAIN, THE STAFF SHOULDN'T COME TO US AT THE
10:00:16AM LAST MINUTE.
10:00:17AM THEY SHOULD HAVE COME TO US A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE THEY'VE
10:00:19AM KNOWN FOR A WHILE THIS TURBINE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
10:00:22AM THIS IS THE QUESTION I'D ASK IN ADVANCE.
10:00:24AM WE WERE ALL BRIEFED THE OTHER DAY.
10:00:26AM I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
10:00:29AM BUT THE PUBLIC IS NOT EVEN REALLY AWARE THAT THIS IS ON THE
10:00:31AM AGENDA TODAY.
10:00:33AM BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO ASK YOURSELVES, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE
10:00:35AM ANNUAL COST IS OF THIS PLANT?
10:00:37AM DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE IS FOR THE GENERATION OF
10:00:40AM ELECTRICITY THAT THEY ARE SELLING TO SEMINOLE ELECTRIC?
10:00:44AM DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS?
10:00:46AM I PRESUME THEY WOULD SHUT THIS TURBINE DOWN BEFORE SOMETHING
10:00:51AM CATASTROPHIC HAPPENS, AND THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT THEY PUT

10:00:53AM IT IN A LAND FILL.
10:00:55AM BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD A FULL DISCUSSION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL
10:00:59AM IMPACTS OF PUTTING IT IN A LAND FILL VERSUS THE AIR
10:01:02AM POLLUTION.
10:01:03AM DID YOU ALL ASK THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT AIR POLLUTION
10:01:05AM STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE?
10:01:08AM DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THE WASTE, THE DUST, AND OTHER
10:01:12AM HEAVY MATERIALS THAT COME FROM IT?
10:01:14AM WHERE DO THEY DISPOSE THAT?
10:01:15AM DO YOU KNOW THE COST OF INTEREST OF THIS PLANT?
10:01:18AM DO YOU KNOW THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PLANT, INCLUDING O & M,
10:01:23AM INTEREST AND CAPITAL?
10:01:24AM THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HERE.
10:01:27AM IF YOU HAVE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS, THE QUESTION IS DOES THE
10:01:30AM PUBLIC KNOW?
10:01:31AM THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE TODAY
10:01:34AM IS THE FIRST DAY THEY HEAR IT.
10:01:36AM IF WE VOTE ON IT TODAY, I THINK IT IS A DISSERVICE TO THE
10:01:39AM PUBLIC.
10:01:40AM WE NEED TO GIVE THEM REALLY TWO WEEKS BUT AT LEAST A WEEK AT
10:01:43AM THE MINIMUM.
10:01:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE YOU HAD A MEETING WITH SOLID WASTE?
10:01:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:01:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, HAVE YOU?
10:01:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE SPOKE ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.

10:01:50AM I THINK THEY REQUESTED ONE FROM THE DAY BEFORE BUT I HAD
10:01:53AM PRIVATE SECTOR THINGS.
10:01:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
10:01:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:01:56AM HAVE A PRESENTATION FOLLOW-UP AS WELL.
10:01:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, HAVE YOU HAD A MEETING?
10:02:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:02:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES?
10:02:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:02:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:02:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, IF I MAY.
10:02:07AM GOING BACK MANY YEARS AGO, WE USED TO PUT THE BY-PRODUCT IN
10:02:11AM A BIG, BIG AREA OF THE PLANT UNTIL ONE DAY, THIS GO BACK IN
10:02:18AM THE 70s.
10:02:19AM I ASKED THEM, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT?
10:02:22AM WHY DON'T YOU GO TO HOME DEPOT, SEE IF YOU CAN SELL IT.
10:02:26AM GUESS WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE FERTILIZING FOR MANY YEARS, I
10:02:29AM KNOW IT STOPPED NOW.
10:02:30AM SOME YEARS BACK IT STOPPED BECAUSE OTHER PRODUCTS COME ON
10:02:33AM THE LINE.
10:02:34AM THAT'S IT FOR NITRATE, STUFF THAT WE WERE THROWING AWAY,
10:02:38AM PEOPLE WERE DOING THE LAWNS WITH.
10:02:40AM SO THERE IS PROGRESS THERE, BUT IT'S NOT BEING USED -- WHEN
10:02:45AM YOU TALK ABOUT THE SEMINOLE ELECTRIC CONTRACT, TWO COUNCIL
10:02:48AM MEMBERS OBJECTED TO IT.

10:02:51AM WE HAD A SWEETHEART DEAL, NOT THAT I SAY IT, THAT'S WHAT THE
10:02:56AM PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION SAID UP IN TALLAHASSEE WHEN SOMEONE
10:02:59AM APPEALED THAT WE HAD A BETTER DEAL THAN SOMEBODY ELSE.
10:03:03AM SO WE HAD TO SEND THE TRANSMISSION LINE, THEY TOLD US -- AND
10:03:11AM TECO DO THE OTHER SERVICES, AND WE HAD TO SELL, TAKE THAT
10:03:15AM BACK FROM TECO AND SELL IT TO SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, SEMINOLE
10:03:19AM ELECTRIC FOR A LESSER RATE.
10:03:20AM IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, CHECK THE RECORD, IF MY MIND IS
10:03:24AM STILL IN ORDER LIKE I BELIEVE IT IS.
10:03:25AM SO LOOK AT THAT.
10:03:26AM SO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA LOST MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
10:03:31AM BECAUSE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS OBJECTED.
10:03:33AM SOMEBODY HEARD IT, APPEAL TO THE BOARD UP IN TALLAHASSEE.
10:03:37AM THANK GOD THAT YOU GUYS STILL SURVIVE.
10:03:42AM THANK YOU.
10:03:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, TO YOUR QUESTIONS, OF
10:03:44AM ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED THAT I ASKED -- I'M SORRY.
10:03:48AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, GO AHEAD.
10:03:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TWO WEEKS AGO THIS WAS
10:03:54AM $16 MILLION FOR ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:03:59AM I DO THINK THERE IS A TIME ISSUE WITH THIS.
10:04:07AM I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN WAIT ON 6 AND 7 TO HEAR.
10:04:11AM I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN UNCOUPLE THAT IF THAT'S POSSIBLE,
10:04:14AM BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH YOU, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT
10:04:18AM THIS.

10:04:20AM BUT I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S TIME SENSITIVITY.
10:04:25AM I SEE BOTH SIDES, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE FINE WITH
10:04:30AM $18 MILLION NEXT WEEK, THEN THAT IS FINE.
10:04:37AM >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY OFFER SOME CLARIFICATION.
10:04:41AM AND I DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT
10:04:44AM FURTHER TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S COMMENT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING
10:04:49AM FOR TODAY, THE IMMEDIATE NEED IS THE $17 MILLION.
10:04:52AM WE'D LIKE TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE
10:04:55AM SOME FUNDING WITHIN SOLID WASTE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT 17
10:04:58AM MILLION.
10:04:59AM YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.
10:05:00AM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IT WAS 16 MILLION.
10:05:02AM WE'RE IN A VOLATILE ENVIRONMENT.
10:05:04AM AS WE'VE CHARACTERIZED IT IN OUR BRIEFINGS, IT'S NOT AN
10:05:07AM EMERGENT ENVIRONMENT BUT IT IS AN URGENT ENVIRONMENT.
10:05:11AM TRYING TO GET THAT PURCHASE FOR THE 52-WEEK LEAD TIME TO GET
10:05:16AM STARTED ON THE BULK OF THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY FACILITY.
10:05:20AM THE 220 MILLION, AGAIN, IS THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION FOR
10:05:23AM THE ULTIMATE PLAN, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING COUNCIL TO APPROVE A
10:05:27AM $220 MILLION PLAN TODAY.
10:05:30AM WE'RE MERELY EDUCATING COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ON WHAT THIS
10:05:35AM COULD EVENTUALLY LEAD TO.
10:05:36AM WHEN WE DO THE BULK OF THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY FACILITY, WHEN WE
10:05:40AM DO THE RELOCATION, IF WE DO THE RELOCATION, THOSE ARE ALL
10:05:43AM DECISIONS THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE, INCLUDING THE

10:05:47AM ISSUANCE OF DEBT.
10:05:50AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: JUST BRIEFLY, REALLY, ALL WE'RE TALKING
10:05:52AM ABOUT IS YOUR AGENDA AND MAKING CHANGES TO YOUR AGENDA AT
10:05:56AM THIS POINT IN TIME.
10:05:57AM WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING INTO A SUBSTANTIVE
10:05:59AM CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
10:06:01AM I BELIEVE THE PRUDENT THING TO DO IS LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT
10:06:06AM NEEDS TO BE ALTERED ON YOUR AGENDA, HEAR THE SUBSTANCE OF
10:06:09AM THIS AND YOU CAN VOTE WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT
10:06:12AM TODAY OR NOT OR DELAY IT AT THE POINT IN TIME.
10:06:14AM I REALLY THINK THAT IS THE MORE PRUDENT THING YOU WANT TO DO
10:06:18AM THAT UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA.
10:06:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND BRING IT BACK
10:06:24AM LATER.
10:06:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:06:25AM WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AGENDA ITEMS 5, 6, 7 TOGETHER WITH
10:06:32AM CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 69 AND 70.
10:06:35AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR PRO TEM.
10:06:40AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, WE WILL STILL HEAR THAT.
10:06:46AM 9 AND 10.
10:06:48AM >> YES, SIR.
10:06:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:06:50AM 11.
10:06:51AM WE WILL BE OPENING 11 AND 12 AT THE SAME TIME.
10:06:59AM >> THEY DON'T NEED TO BE OPENED.

10:07:00AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THEY ARE RESOLUTIONS.
10:07:03AM THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE MEMOS SUBMITTED TO YOU
10:07:07AM ALL.
10:07:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM JUST MAKING SURE THAT EVERY COUNCIL
10:07:10AM PERSON IS STILL WILLING TO HEAR THEM, WANTING TO HEAR THEM.
10:07:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID WE WILL HEAR A REPORT ON 11 AND 12.
10:07:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:07:20AM THEY WILL BE OPENED TOGETHER.
10:07:22AM 13?
10:07:22AM YES?
10:07:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:07:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 14.
10:07:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, WITH 14, I THINK I MADE THAT A
10:07:30AM LITTLE WERE A MATURELY.
10:07:31AM I WANT TO CONTINUE THAT.
10:07:33AM I WANT TO FIRST SEE -- I WANT TO DO THIS AFTER WE PASS THE
10:07:36AM RETURNING CITIZENS ORDINANCE AND THE TRAINING APPRENTICESHIP
10:07:40AM PROGRAM.
10:07:40AM IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO REMOVE 14 AND THEN MAKE IT AT A LATER
10:07:45AM TIME ONCE THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE HOPEFULLY PASS TODAY ON
10:07:47AM SECOND READING FOR RETURNING CITIZENS PASSES JUST FOR THE
10:07:52AM SAKE OF TIME.
10:07:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:07:55AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:07:57AM ALL IN FAVOR?

10:07:58AM ANY OPPOSED.
10:07:59AM THANK YOU.
10:08:00AM AGENDA ITEM 15.
10:08:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: FOR ITEM 15, CHIEF BENNETT SPOKE ON THIS I
10:08:06AM THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, AND IT APPEARS
10:08:09AM THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THE BUDGET.
10:08:12AM I DO NOT NEED ANYBODY HERE FROM THAT.
10:08:14AM WE CAN TAKE IT AS IT IS AND GO FORWARD.
10:08:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:08:20AM AGENDA ITEM 16.
10:08:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BENSON TRANSMITTED A WRITTEN REPORT.
10:08:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT GOOD FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS?
10:08:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FINE WITH ME.
10:08:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: STRIKE 16.
10:08:34AM 17.
10:08:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE CAN JUST SPEAK ABOUT IT WHEN IT COMES.
10:08:41AM I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYONE HERE FOR THAT.
10:08:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA?
10:08:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, PLEASE.
10:08:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 18.
10:08:48AM >> YES.
10:08:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 19?
10:08:54AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK STAFF WAS -- [INAUDIBLE]
10:08:57AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: SHE'S NOT DOWN HERE.
10:08:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CONTINUE TO 9:15 -- 9/15.

10:09:04AM MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO 9/15, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
10:09:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:09:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:09:12AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:09:12AM ANY OBJECTION?
10:09:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE ONE QUICK STATEMENT ON IT?
10:09:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:09:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE ASKED IF THERE'S
10:09:21AM COVERAGE AND THE ANSWER IS, YES, IT'S PRIVATELY MANAGED
10:09:26AM ABOVE 500,000, PRIVATELY INSURED.
10:09:29AM BELOW 500,000, WE'RE SELF-INSURED.
10:09:31AM I HAD A MEETING WITH THE RISK MANAGEMENT CONSULTANTS AND THE
10:09:34AM TEAM YESTERDAY, AND WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY UNDER 500,000.
10:09:38AM THERE'S NO SELF-INSURANCE.
10:09:40AM A SELF-INSURANCE POLICY AS DESCRIBED BY MY EXPERIENCE BUT
10:09:44AM ALSO BY THE CONSULTANTS IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A POLICY,
10:09:47AM UNITED HEALTHCARE PLAN WE HAVE IS A SELF-INSURED PLAN BUT WE
10:09:51AM HAVE A POLICY.
10:09:52AM THERE'S NO POLICY UNDER 500,000.
10:09:55AM ANYTHING BELOW 500,000 IS THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE CITY
10:09:58AM ATTORNEY.
10:09:59AM AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE HERE.
10:10:01AM I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT IT OUTSIDE THIS MEETING, BUT
10:10:04AM ANY IDEAS YOU HAVE FROM YOUR CONSULTANTS OR OTHERS, WE NEED
10:10:06AM TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA.

10:10:09AM DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULDN'T BE PROTECTED BUT WE NEED SOMETHING
10:10:12AM SPECIFIC.
10:10:12AM IT'S NOT TRUE THAT WE ARE SELF-INSURED.
10:10:14AM WE ARE NOT.
10:10:14AM 500,000 IS A DEDUCTIBLE.
10:10:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:10:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:10:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAD TO COUNCIL TWO MEETINGS, I APOLOGIZE,
10:10:23AM BUT HAD TO ATTEND.
10:10:24AM I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO
10:10:27AM THAT.
10:10:27AM I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THAT THAT IS CONTINUED.
10:10:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ALREADY CONTINUED AGENDA ITEM 19,
10:10:39AM CORRECT?
10:10:40AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: WAS THERE A MOTION ALREADY AND VOTED ON.
10:10:42AM >>THE CLERK: CARLSON MADE THE MOTION, GUDES SECOND.
10:10:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR?
10:10:47AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:10:47AM THANK YOU.
10:10:49AM AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 20 AND 21.
10:10:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: 20 IS PERTAINING REALLY TO 19.
10:10:55AM IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND MOVING THAT TO 9/15.
10:10:59AM >> SO MOVED.
10:11:02AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I WANT TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ON 21.
10:11:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEM 20, CONTINUE TO SEPTEMBER

10:11:08AM 15th.
10:11:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:11:11AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:11:12AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:11:13AM IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
10:11:15AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:11:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION RELATED TO THIS,
10:11:19AM IF I MAY.
10:11:20AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT UNTIL OUR CITY COUNCIL
10:11:24AM ATTORNEY RETURNS THAT ANY ITEM THAT REFERENCES HIM WOULD
10:11:28AM THEN BE REQUESTED OF MR. MASSEY IN HIS PLACE.
10:11:36AM SOME OF THESE ITEMS WE CAN'T CONTINUE FOREVER.
10:11:39AM I WOULD JUST ASK IN THE SHORT TERM THAT MR. MASSEY WOULD
10:11:44AM TAKE OVER THESE ITEMS UNTIL OUR ATTORNEY RETURNS.
10:11:47AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: QUICKLY, COULD I RESPOND TO THAT?
10:11:50AM I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO NUMBER 21 BECAUSE I HAVE DONE SOME
10:11:53AM WORK RELATIVE TO THAT.
10:11:54AM ITEM 20, I HAD NOT DONE ANYTHING PRIMARILY BECAUSE BASED ON
10:11:59AM THE DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL, IT WAS MY BELIEF THAT YOU ALL
10:12:03AM WERE WANTING YOUR OWN ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT WHAT A POTENTIAL
10:12:08AM ORDINANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
10:12:10AM I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH.
10:12:11AM I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT.
10:12:13AM WHERE I BELIEVE MR. SHELBY WILL BE BACK BY THE 15th AND
10:12:17AM SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT AND WE CAN WORK WITH HIM

10:12:19AM INTERNALLY.
10:12:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: MY MOTION WOULD BE, IF I MAY, IN THE ABSENCE
10:12:29AM OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, THAT MR. MASSEY WOULD WORK IN
10:12:36AM HIS PLACE TO MOVE FORWARD ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE ASSIGNED TO
10:12:39AM MR. SHELBY.
10:12:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WISH I COULD SUPPORT THAT, BUT THERE'S
10:12:44AM BEEN SOME MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN THIS BODY AND THE 8th
10:12:49AM FLOOR IN THIS BUILDING.
10:12:50AM THAT IS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
10:12:52AM AND WE'VE BEEN IN SOME TYPE OF DISAGREEMENT ON SOME ISSUES.
10:12:59AM MR. MASSY IS SITTING HERE, I'D RATHER HIRE AN OUTSIDE
10:13:02AM ATTORNEY TO DO THIS UNTIL HE COMES ON THE 15th.
10:13:05AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WEEK, WHAT IS IT, FOUR WEEKS OR THREE
10:13:09AM WEEKS.
10:13:09AM I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT TO HOLDING IT OFF ANOTHER TWO OR
10:13:12AM THREE WEEKS.
10:13:14AM WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON BETWEEN THIS AND THE 8th FLOOR FOR
10:13:17AM WHATEVER REASON, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE, THE DOCTOR WOULD
10:13:22AM TELL YOU TO TAKE SOME MEDICINE BECAUSE YOU'RE SICK ON BOTH
10:13:25AM FLOORS.
10:13:25AM WHOEVER IS AT FAULT, I DON'T KNOW.
10:13:28AM BUT IF YOU HAVE A BAD HEART, YOU DON'T GO SEE A UROLOGIST.
10:13:33AM YOU GO SEE A HEART DOCTOR.
10:13:35AM I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SICK OR NOT.
10:13:36AM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE SICK OR NOT, BUT I'D RATHER PROTECT

10:13:39AM THE PUBLIC AND WAIT THREE MORE WEEKS UNTIL MR. SHELBY GETS
10:13:44AM HERE BECAUSE HE KNEW ABOUT THIS WAY BEFORE HE GOT SICK.
10:13:47AM HE'S CAPABLE OF DOING HIS JOB.
10:13:49AM THANK YOU.
10:13:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:13:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THOUGHT THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
10:13:53AM TO COME BACK IN REFERENCE TO HOW WE WOULD HANDLE CITY
10:13:57AM COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BRINGING IN A PERSON OR HAVING ALTERNATES.
10:14:01AM WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT?
10:14:02AM THAT HASN'T COME BACK TO US YET.
10:14:04AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I BELIEVE ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA OR 15th
10:14:08AM AGENDA WITH REFERENCE TO THAT.
10:14:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK MR. MIRANDA IS RIGHT.
10:14:12AM SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS TWO MASTERS BUT
10:14:16AM SERVE MAYBE ONE AT TIMES.
10:14:17AM I UNDERSTAND THAT, SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME CLARITY ON
10:14:22AM HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE OUR BUSINESS HERE, WHO WILL HANDLE
10:14:26AM OUR BUSINESS AND THEN IN THE ABSENCE OF A PERSON, WHO IS
10:14:29AM GOING TO HANDLE THAT BUSINESS.
10:14:30AM I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN RECTIFY AND GET MOTIONS TO MOVE THAT
10:14:33AM FORWARD WHEN IT COMES BACK ON THE 15th.
10:14:35AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:14:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:14:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT BEHIND THE MOTION I THINK
10:14:41AM IS VERY GOOD WHICH IS THERE ARE ITEMS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS

10:14:44AM HAVE REQUESTED THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, WITHOUT GETTING
10:14:46AM INTO IT, HAVE NOT GONE FORWARD BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
10:14:49AM MAYBE IF THE MOTION WERE AMENDED TO REFLECT -- BECAUSE I
10:14:53AM DON'T WANT MR. MASSEY, GOD BLESS HIM, HAS BEEN OVER HERE
10:14:56AM COVERING FOR A LONG TIME.
10:14:58AM I'M NOT SPEAKING ON HIS BEHALF, ET CETERA.
10:15:00AM JUST MY OPINION, PROBABLY TAKING ON A LOT OF WORK.
10:15:02AM MAYBE THE MOTION COULD BE AMENDED FOR MR. MASSEY TO HIRE
10:15:05AM OUTSIDE COUNSEL SHOULD OUR ATTORNEY BE GONE FOR A LONGER
10:15:08AM TIME.
10:15:09AM THAT I THINK IS REASONABLE AND GETS TO THE HEART OF IT WHICH
10:15:11AM COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE REQUESTS AND WANT TO SEE THEM FORWARD.
10:15:16AM I THINK THAT IS THE HEART OF IT, IN MY OPINION.
10:15:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAD FORGOTTEN WE HAD THE OTHER ITEM.
10:15:22AM IF THAT OTHER ITEM IS COMING UP SOON, I'LL WITHDRAW MY
10:15:25AM MOTION.
10:15:25AM WE NEED TO RESOLVE THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE A STANDING
10:15:28AM RULE OF WHAT HAPPENS IF OUR ONE PERSON IS OUT AND WE NEED TO
10:15:32AM MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME KIND OF BACKUP IN THE FUTURE AND
10:15:35AM HOPEFULLY MODIFY THE CHARTER.
10:15:36AM IN THE INTERIM, WE NEED COUNSEL.
10:15:38AM I'M HAPPY WITH IT BEING OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
10:15:42AM WE NEED TO MAKE SOME KIND OF RULE BECAUSE SOME OF THE ITEMS
10:15:46AM KEEP GETTING DELAYED, DELAYED, DELAYED.
10:15:48AM LIKE THE CHARTER REVISIONS WERE DELAYED UNTIL WE MISSED THE

10:15:51AM DEADLINE AND WE SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THEM SOONER.
10:15:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I BELIEVE THIS IS COMING BACK ON THE 1st.
10:15:56AM IF YOU WOULD ALLOW MAYBE A PRESENTATION AND WE CAN TRY TO
10:15:59AM DISCUSS IT THEN, HOW THIS BUSINESS WILL BE COVERED.
10:16:03AM SOME OF IT I AM HANDLING, BUT SOME OF IT YOU MAY WANT TO
10:16:05AM HAVE SEPARATE COUNSEL SO WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATION ON THE
10:16:09AM ISSUES.
10:16:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
10:16:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS WITHDRAWN HIS MOTION.
10:16:14AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22.
10:16:21AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BEFORE YOU GO TO 22, ON 21, ITEM 75 IS A
10:16:25AM RESOLUTION REGARDING THE CITIZENS BUDGET AND FINANCE
10:16:28AM COMMITTEE.
10:16:30AM I WENT BACK AND RESEARCHED THE PRIOR RESOLUTION.
10:16:34AM I THINK I CIRCULATED TO ALL OF YOU ALL.
10:16:38AM PREVIOUSLY, IT DID NOT APPEAR THAT THE CURRENT MEMBERS OF
10:16:40AM THE COMMITTEE HAD BEEN FORMALLY APPOINTED.
10:16:42AM THIS RESOLUTION WOULD APPOINT THOSE MEMBERS.
10:16:44AM I ALSO CHANGED THE TERM OF OFFICE SO THAT THEIR TERM WOULD
10:16:47AM BE THE SAME AS YOUR TERM OF OFFICE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO
10:16:51AM THROUGH THE REAPPOINTING EVERY YEAR.
10:16:54AM THE COMMITTEE MET LAST WEEK AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE COMING
10:16:56AM FORWARD WITH A REGULAR SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS.
10:16:59AM I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
10:17:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.

10:17:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
10:17:05AM AGENDA ITEM 22.
10:17:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GOOD WITH THAT, SIR.
10:17:13AM SHE GAVE ME A CALL AND WE WORKED OUT THOSE DETAILS.
10:17:17AM WE SHOULD BE FINE.
10:17:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE'LL STRIKE 22?
10:17:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
10:17:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:17:21AM 23.
10:17:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE TO CONTINUE THAT.
10:17:24AM THIS IS A SIDEWALK ALONG 9th STREET FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD
10:17:29AM THAT HAS A HOME THERE WITH ABOUT 15 OR SO DISABLED VETERANS
10:17:33AM WHO BADLY NEED A SIDEWALK THERE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS
10:17:37AM CONTRACTING AND GETTING THE CONTRACTOR FOR SUCH A SMALL
10:17:40AM PROJECT.
10:17:41AM THAT IS A DARN SHAME.
10:17:42AM IF I MAY, I WANT TO KEEP THIS ON THE AGENDA AS A
10:17:46AM SELF-REMINDER TO MYSELF TO HAVE THIS.
10:17:48AM WE'RE IN SEPTEMBER.
10:17:48AM HOW ABOUT WE DO FEBRUARY OF 2023.
10:17:56AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: DO YOU HAVE A HEARING DATE IN FEBRUARY?
10:17:58AM WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE TO A SPECIFIC DATE.
10:18:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:18:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA,
10:18:06AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

10:18:08AM ANY DISCUSSION?
10:18:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:18:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:18:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, SINCE THAT IS A SMALL PROJECT,
10:18:15AM SAYING CONTRACT ISSUES, SMALL PROJECT -- AND THE COUNTY,
10:18:22AM THEY HAVE WORKERS THAT CAN DO THOSE SMALL TYPE OF THINGS.
10:18:25AM MAYBE THE ADMINISTRATOR CAN CONTACT THE STATE AND SOMETHING
10:18:27AM LIKE THAT AND PUT A SMALL SIDEWALK IN IF THAT'S THE CASE.
10:18:31AM JUST AN IDEA OR THOUGHT.
10:18:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:18:33AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:18:34AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:18:35AM IF MY AIDE BRANDON IS WATCHING, LET'S MOVE ON THAT AND SET
10:18:39AM UP A MEETING FOR THAT.
10:18:40AM NOTHING COUNCIL RELATED, IF I MAY.
10:18:42AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:18:43AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE MOTION, IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK IN
10:18:46AM FEBRUARY WOULD BE FEBRUARY 2nd, THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING.
10:18:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S DO THE 16th.
10:18:51AM GIVE SOME MORE TIME.
10:18:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
10:18:59AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:19:00AM ANY OPPOSED.
10:19:03AM THANK YOU.
10:19:03AM AGENDA ITEMS 24 AND 25.

10:19:15AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:19:17AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I WOULD NOTE IT APPEARS TO HAVE CHANGED,
10:19:21AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS ASKED THAT ITEMS 28, 29, AND 72 BE
10:19:26AM PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
10:19:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
10:19:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:19:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DID I ALSO TAKE NOTE THAT 69 AND 70, WE'RE
10:19:57AM HEARING THOSE?
10:19:58AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YES, SIR, YOU HAVE.
10:20:04AM >> WHAT'S UP WITH 18?
10:20:06AM OTHER CHANGES TO MEETING OR AGENDA.
10:20:12AM THIS IS THE ADDENDUM.
10:20:14AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THERE'S AN ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA THAT
10:20:17AM NOTES SEVERAL CHANGES TO THE AGENDA, INCLUDING SOME
10:20:20AM SUBSTITUTIONS THAT THE CLERK JUST NOTED.
10:20:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
10:20:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:20:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE GOOD.
10:20:33AM WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
10:20:35AM [AUDIO DROP]
10:20:59AM [AUDIO DROP]
10:21:08AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:21:11AM IT'S A GARBAGE CITY COUNCIL.
10:21:13AM NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
10:21:14AM IT IS A GARBAGE CITY COUNCIL AND PROVE YOURSELF RIGHT THEN

10:21:19AM RIGHT NOW.
10:21:20AM $270 MILLION AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON
10:21:24AM WITH IT AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, BUT IT'S
10:21:27AM ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY FOR DECADES.
10:21:28AM I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR 30 YEARS.
10:21:31AM ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.
10:21:32AM THEY RUN THE THINGS THROUGH AND THE CITIZENS, DON'T NOBODY
10:21:34AM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY
10:21:36AM AIN'T THAT SMART.
10:21:37AM NOT LIKE THEY ARE ACCOUNTANTS, ENGINEERS, SCIENTISTS OR
10:21:41AM BRAIN SURGEONS.
10:21:42AM THEY ARE NOT THAT SMART.
10:21:43AM THEY GOT A JOB AND GOT ELECTED ON SOME VOTES, PUT UP A SIGN
10:21:47AM AND GOT ELECTED.
10:21:48AM BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHAT WE HAVE TO REALIZE,
10:21:52AM DISTRICT NUMBER 5, WE HAVE TO REALIZE OUR CITY COUNCIL
10:21:56AM REPRESENTATIVE, MALE, FEMALE, BOY, GIRL, WHATSOEVER, HAVE TO
10:22:00AM START TALKING ABOUT REAL ISSUES.
10:22:02AM HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT REPARATIONS.
10:22:04AM HAVE TO START TALKING THIS NONSENSE THEY TALK ABOUT, BRING
10:22:08AM THESE GARBAGE POLICE OFFICERS IN HERE, ALWAYS TALKING
10:22:12AM NEGATIVE ABOUT DISTRICT 5, EAST TAMPA AND GUN VIOLENCE, BUT
10:22:17AM OUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT GUN
10:22:20AM MANUFACTURERS.
10:22:21AM WE AIN'T HAVING THAT LIKE BLAMING US, BLAMING THE BLACK

10:22:25AM PERSON.
10:22:26AM BLAMING THE BLACK PERSON.
10:22:28AM TRY TO WALK IN THIS DOOR THIS MORNING AND THE POLICE
10:22:30AM OFFICER, WHITE POLICE OFFICER TRYING TO STOP ME BECAUSE OF A
10:22:34AM SHIRT I GOT ON.
10:22:36AM YOU UNDERSTAND?
10:22:37AM IT'S A HATRED THAT WHITE PEOPLE HAVE WHEN THEY SEE BLACK
10:22:40AM PEOPLE.
10:22:41AM THEY THINK THEY RUN US.
10:22:42AM THEY THINK THEY OWN US.
10:22:43AM THEY THINK WE'RE SLAVES.
10:22:46AM YOU COME IN HERE AND YOU GAVE AN AWARD TO A GARBAGE POLICE
10:22:49AM OFFICER, THAT HIS PARENTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN SITTING RIGHT
10:22:52AM THERE, AND I THINK HIS FATHER TELLS ME, I TAKE YOU OUTSIDE
10:22:57AM AND BEAT YOUR MFING ASS, AND HE SAID THE WHOLE WORD AND SAID
10:23:03AM IT ABOUT THREE TIMES.
10:23:04AM BUT HIS SON IS GETTING AN AWARD FOR WHAT?
10:23:08AM TEACHING AT HOME.
10:23:09AM IS THAT HOW YOU TRAINS AT HOME?
10:23:13AM YOU ALL GOT A HATRED FOR BLACK PEOPLE WHEN YOU SEE BLACK
10:23:17AM PEOPLE.
10:23:17AM THE OTHER MAN SITTING RIGHT THERE ON CITY COUNCIL, THE MAN
10:23:20AM SITTING RIGHT THERE, THE HATRED FOR BLACK PEOPLE IS, WHEN I
10:23:24AM INITIALLY STARTED COMING DOWN HERE, HAVE TO GO TO JAIL JUST
10:23:27AM TO SPEAK BECAUSE YOU ALL AIN'T NEVER SEEN A BLACK MAN SINCE

10:23:31AM YOUR GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT ONE.
10:23:34AM YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A BLACK MAN.
10:23:36AM WHEN YOU SEE BLACK PEOPLE YOU GET ALL EXCITED.
10:23:38AM YOU SEE A BLACK PERSON WITH A SIGN ON THE SIDEWALK AND YOU
10:23:41AM ALL WHITE FOLKS ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW YOU ALL WHITE FOLKS
10:23:45AM HAD A CONSTITUTION SINCE 1776.
10:23:48AM SINCE 1776, WHITE FOLKS HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SINCE
10:23:52AM 1776 TO 2022, BLACK PEOPLE STILL EXPERIENCING ALL FORMS OF
10:23:59AM SLAVERY.
10:23:59AM ALL FORMS OF SLAVERY, ENCORES RATING BLACK PEOPLE RUNNING US
10:24:06AM AROUND HERE.
10:24:07AM GUN BUYBACK, YOU ALL SOLVE CRIME.
10:24:10AM AND WHAT?
10:24:10AM WHO IS BRINGING THE GUNS.
10:24:12AM YOU ALL GIVING MONEY AWAY TO WHITE FOLKS.
10:24:15AM ALL THAT HAVE TO STOP, AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS
10:24:18AM AND THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE TO US BLACK PEOPLE.
10:24:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:24:30AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:24:32AM I'M REVEREND BERNICE POWELL JACKSON, THE PASTOR OF FIRST
10:24:36AM UNITED CHURCH OF TAMPA AND PRESIDENT OF HOPE, THE
10:24:39AM HILLSBOROUGH ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS AND EQUALITY, A LOCAL
10:24:43AM FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION CONSISTING OF 24-MEMBER
10:24:48AM CONGREGATIONS.
10:24:48AM I COME TOGETHER TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF AGENDA ITEM 114 THAT

10:24:54AM PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S CRIMINAL HISTORY,
10:24:57AM PRACTICES, SCREENING ORDINANCE.
10:24:59AM I THINK MR. MIRANDA IS THE ONLY COUNCIL PERSON WHO WILL
10:25:03AM REMEMBER THIS.
10:25:04AM TEN YEARS AGO, HOPE CAME TO THE COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THE NEED
10:25:08AM FOR TAMPA'S RETURNING CITIZENS TO GET WORK AFTER
10:25:12AM INCARCERATION.
10:25:14AM STUDIES HAD SHOWN HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS TO GET A JOB WHEN THE
10:25:17AM INITIAL APPLICATION ASKED HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED AND
10:25:21AM THE BOX IS CHECKED YES.
10:25:23AM THE STORIES THAT WE'VE HEARD SHOW THAT MANY TAMPA CITIZENS
10:25:26AM WERE UNABLE TO GET EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE OF IT.
10:25:30AM EVEN THOUGH MANY APPLICANTS HAD THE REQUIRED AND DESIRED
10:25:34AM EXPERIENCE, THEY WERE ELIMINATED ONCE THAT BOX WAS CHECKED.
10:25:38AM WE ASKED THEN THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CHANGE THEIR OWN HIRING
10:25:41AM PRACTICES BY TAKING OFF THE QUESTION ABOUT ARRESTS FROM THE
10:25:45AM INITIAL APPLICATION AND TO URGE THE BUSINESSES THE CITY
10:25:50AM CONTRACTED WITH TO DO THE SAME.
10:25:53AM SOMETIMES THE BEST WORKER IS THE ONE WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN
10:25:55AM ELIMINATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY HAD
10:25:59AM CHECKED THAT BOX.
10:26:00AM WE KNEW THAT THIS SIMPLE ACTION WOULD GIVE THESE POTENTIAL
10:26:04AM WORKERS A FIGHTING CHANCE IN THE JOB MARKET AND WOULD HAVE A
10:26:08AM POSITIVE IMPACT ON MANY TAMPA FAMILIES, BUSINESSES, AND THE
10:26:14AM CITY OF TAMPA.

10:26:14AM WHILE WE WERE GLAD TO SEE THE CITY COUNCIL PASS THE HIRING
10:26:18AM SCREENING PRACTICES ORDINANCE IN 2013, TAKING THAT QUESTION
10:26:22AM OFF OF THE INITIAL APPLICATION OF THE CITY, CITY LEADERS
10:26:26AM THEN WERE RELUCTANT TO MOVE BEYOND THEIR OWN HIRING
10:26:29AM PRACTICES TO THOSE WHO CONTRACT WITH THE CITY.
10:26:34AM PLEASED THAT YOU HAVE NOW AN AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU TO MOVE
10:26:37AM FORWARD.
10:26:37AM AS HOUSING COSTS HAVE INCREASED AND INFLATION GOES UP, THERE
10:26:41AM ARE SO MANY TAMPA FAMILIES STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
10:26:45AM WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL HELP OUR RETURNING CITIZENS TO
10:26:50AM FIND EMPLOYMENT, BOOSTING BOTH THE FAMILY INCOME, STABILITY,
10:26:54AM AND THEIR OWN SELF-ESTEEM WHILE ALSO GIVING BUSINESSES THE
10:26:58AM OPPORTUNITY TO HIRE THE MOST QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES.
10:27:01AM WE ALL KNOW A JOB IS A REQUIREMENT FOR SUCCESS, AND ANY HELP
10:27:06AM THE CITY AND OUR BUSINESSES OFFER IS A POSITIVE THING.
10:27:10AM IT'S A WIN-WIN AMENDMENT FOR ALL, AND WE URGE YOU TO PASS
10:27:14AM IT.
10:27:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:27:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:27:25AM MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT
10:27:30AM STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
10:27:34AM I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
10:27:36AM BUT WE DON'T GET NO RESULTS.
10:27:40AM IT'S SAD TO SAY THAT, BUT IT'S THE TRUTH.
10:27:43AM WE COME DOWN HERE MANY TIMES.

10:27:45AM I COME DOWN HERE.
10:27:48AM WHO GOT JACKSON HOUSE?
10:27:52AM WHICH ONE OF YOU ALL GOT JACKSON HOUSE?
10:27:57AM >> GUDES.
10:27:58AM >> IS IT YOU?
10:27:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
10:28:00AM >> WHY DON'T YOU HAVE THE RAGGED OLD HOUSE TORE DOWN.
10:28:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE TO TALK OFF-LINE ABOUT THAT
10:28:08AM SUBJECT.
10:28:10AM WE CAN TALK OFF-LINE ABOUT THAT.
10:28:12AM SINCE YOU CALLED ME OUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES GOING
10:28:17AM ON WITH THE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
10:28:19AM THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT AND HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY
10:28:22AM IT CAN, AND I'M VERY LIMITED ON THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME
10:28:26AM PRIVATE THINGS GOING ON, NOT CITY RELATED.
10:28:29AM I THINK ONCE SOME MEETINGS ARE HELD, HOPEFULLY SOME
10:28:32AM RESOLUTION TO THE JACKSON HOUSE.
10:28:33AM AGAIN, THAT'S TO BE AN OFF-LINE CONVERSATION THAT ME AND YOU
10:28:39AM COULD HAVE.
10:28:39AM >> WE THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION, BUT WHERE ARE WE GOING
10:28:43AM WITH IT?
10:28:43AM NOWHERE.
10:28:44AM NOWHERE.
10:28:45AM AND I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE TIME AFTER TIME TELLING YOU
10:28:49AM ALL YOU NEED TO TEAR THAT RAGGEDY HOUSE DOWN.

10:28:53AM IT'S RAGGEDY, FALLING DOWN, AND NOBODY SEEM TO DO NOTHING.
10:28:57AM BUT THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT.
10:29:00AM IF IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT TO
10:29:03AM DO.
10:29:03AM THEY COME AND PUT A CITATION ON MY CHURCH.
10:29:07AM MY CHURCH AIN'T NEARBY AS BAD AS THAT OVER THERE.
10:29:10AM NOBODY WANT TO DO NOTHING FOR US AS BLACK PEOPLE.
10:29:13AM THEY JUST WANT TO RIDICULE US AND TEAR US DOWN AND KEEP US
10:29:18AM FROM DOING WHAT WE NEED DO.
10:29:21AM IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN LIKE THAT.
10:29:24AM AS LONG AS GOD ALLOW ME TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, I'M GOING
10:29:27AM TO ALWAYS BE DOING SOMETHING TO TRY TO BETTER MYSELF AND
10:29:32AM BETTER EVERYBODY ELSE.
10:29:33AM YOU KNOW, IT'S SO SAD THAT BLACK FOLKS ACT LIKE THEY ARE
10:29:37AM SCARED TO COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAK UP FOR THEMSELVES.
10:29:40AM PASTOR, I SEEN YOU ON TV.
10:29:43AM I SAID, YEAH, WHAT YOU SEEN ME DOING?
10:29:46AM OH, MAN, DOING A GOOD JOB.
10:29:48AM NO, AIN'T DOING NO GOOD JOB.
10:29:51AM THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ME.
10:29:54AM I DON'T COME DOWN HERE TO BE ON SCENE TV.
10:29:58AM I CARE LESS ABOUT TV.
10:30:00AM I COME DOWN HERE FOR US TO WORK ONE ANOTHER, HELP ONE
10:30:04AM ANOTHER.
10:30:05AM DON'T FORGET, MIGHT CALL US BLACK PEOPLE, BUT WE ARE GOD

10:30:11AM PEOPLE.
10:30:12AM THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND.
10:30:14AM WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND ALSO, WE TALK ABOUT KILLING, WHO
10:30:21AM KILLING.
10:30:23AM KILLING LITTLE CHILDREN, WHITE PEOPLE, WHITE BOYS KILLING
10:30:28AM LITTLE CHILDREN AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
10:30:30AM WHAT ARE YOU ALL GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT?
10:30:32AM DON'T DO A DAMN THING.
10:30:35AM COME DOWN HERE.
10:30:36AM POLICE COME DOWN HERE.
10:30:37AM ALL WANT TO DO, HEY, GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU.
10:30:41AM GIVE THEM A DAMN FOOTBALL.
10:30:45AM WHAT THEY WANT WITH A FOOTBALL OR A PLAQUE.
10:30:47AM I WANT ACTION.
10:30:48AM ACTION, NEED SOME ACTION COMING DIRECTLY FROM YOU ALL.
10:30:52AM IF YOU ALL NOT WANTING TO SUPPORT THE BLACK FOLKS, THEN YOU
10:30:54AM ALL NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO.
10:31:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:31:01AM >> YOU GOT A JOB TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
10:31:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: PASTOR WILLIAMS, LET ME SAY SOMETHING.
10:31:06AM WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
10:31:07AM WHEN YOU MISCONSTRUE, YOU MISCONSTRUE.
10:31:10AM SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE GONE TO YOUR PLACE.
10:31:12AM WE INSTRUCTED SEVERAL PEOPLE TO TALK TO YOU, SEE HOW WE CAN
10:31:15AM HELP YOU IN REFERENCE TO YOUR FACILITY.

10:31:17AM I LOVE YOUR PLACE.
10:31:19AM WE'VE TOLD AND OUR CRA BOARD TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO TO
10:31:23AM MEET.
10:31:23AM THEY TRIED TO GET WITH YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES.
10:31:25AM THEY MISSED YOU.
10:31:26AM THEY'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO GET WITH YOU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN
10:31:29AM DO IN REFERENCE TO YOUR CHURCH, HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT A
10:31:32AM MONUMENTAL PLACE.
10:31:33AM THAT IS IN THE WORK TO MEET WITH YOU TO GET THAT LOOKING
10:31:35AM BETTER, GET THAT SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THE HISTORY IN THERE.
10:31:39AM MYSELF HAVE BEEN THERE.
10:31:40AM MR. MANISCALCO HAS BEEN THERE.
10:31:42AM AND MR. BURTON IS SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING WITH YOU.
10:31:45AM THAT IS THE CRA MANAGER FOR CENTRAL TAMPA.
10:31:48AM I'M SURE HE'S LISTENING RIGHT NOW.
10:31:50AM I'M SURE HE'LL TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU TODAY OR
10:31:54AM TOMORROW.
10:31:55AM WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR PLACE.
10:31:58AM TO WORK MAKING THAT THING BETTER SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THE
10:32:01AM TREASURE THAT YOU DO HAVE.
10:32:02AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:32:02AM >> YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND.
10:32:04AM DON'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT.
10:32:08AM WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING MEAN A WHOLE LOT TO ME.
10:32:10AM THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.

10:32:11AM I'M TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP PEOPLE.
10:32:15AM SEEING THAT PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ME.
10:32:18AM WAIT A MINUTE, LET ME TALK HERE, PLEASE.
10:32:25AM BLOCK ME IN.
10:32:26AM TOOK MY PARKING PLACE.
10:32:27AM PUT A DOUBLE STRIPE IN THE STREET.
10:32:31AM I CAN'T EVEN PARK IN THE FRONT OF MY CHURCH.
10:32:33AM THE POLICE COMING DOWN THERE TELLING ME I GOT TO MOVE.
10:32:37AM BROKE IN MY CHURCH.
10:32:38AM THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING TO HURT THE CHURCH.
10:32:40AM WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE TRYING TO DO GOD'S WILL, NOT
10:32:47AM YOUR WILL.
10:32:48AM THAT'S WHERE WE STANDS.
10:32:49AM TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.
10:32:50AM WE'RE NOT OUT KILLING PEOPLE.
10:32:51AM THE POLICE, I GOT ON -- I GOT TO TAKE IT OFF AND SEE WHAT IT
10:32:58AM SAYS.
10:32:58AM POLICE ARE KILLING OUR BLACK CHILDREN.
10:33:04AM AND THAT'S --
10:33:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SIR, THANK YOU, SIR.
10:33:09AM >> WE TALK ABOUT BLACK LIVES MATTER, DOES IT REALLY MATTER
10:33:11AM WITH YOU ALL?
10:33:12AM NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
10:33:13AM YOU COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ME.
10:33:18AM I DO WANT TO MEET WITH THE ONE THAT GOT THE DISTRICT.

10:33:22AM TEAR THAT RAGGEDY BUILDING DOWN OVER THERE.
10:33:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:33:29AM NEXT, PLEASE.
10:33:32AM >> YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:33:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:33:38AM MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK, 305 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA.
10:33:42AM I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT ON A DE-1 APPLICATION,
10:33:52AM DE-1-22-197.
10:33:57AM EARLIER THIS MONTH ON AUGUST 4th --
10:33:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE AN AGENDA ITEM?
10:34:01AM ON THE AGENDA TODAY?
10:34:03AM >> NO, IT'S NOT.
10:34:04AM THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE
10:34:09AM REGISTERED TO SPEAK VIRTUALLY WHO WILL OBJECT OR MAY OBJECT
10:34:16AM TO MY REQUEST ON AUGUST 4 TO SCHEDULE THAT HEARING TO REVIEW
10:34:23AM OUR APPROVAL ON SEPTEMBER 15th.
10:34:26AM AND THEY HAVE SUGGESTED THAT WE FOLLOWED SOME IMPROPER
10:34:31AM PROCEDURE, AND I AM JUST HERE TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE
10:34:36AM FOLLOWED ALL PROCEDURES CORRECTLY.
10:34:40AM THEY ARE ALSO, I THINK, SUGGESTING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
10:34:43AM ENOUGH TIME TO PREPARE, BUT THE PETITIONER ALREADY PREPARED
10:34:47AM HIS ARGUMENTS AND THEY ARE FILED WITH THE PETITION.
10:34:53AM ALL I'M HERE TO DO IS SAY WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE
10:34:57AM SEPTEMBER 15th DATE.
10:34:59AM IF WE GO PAST THAT INTO OCTOBER, MY CLIENT WILL BE BEYOND

10:35:03AM THE CONTRACT DEADLINE.
10:35:06AM AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT.
10:35:10AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE WILL SPEAK ON
10:35:12AM THIS ISSUE, BUT I KNOW YOU ALL RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT
10:35:15AM THE SETTING OF THE HEARING.
10:35:17AM TYPICALLY, SETTING A HEARING IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACT.
10:35:20AM IT'S NOT LEGISLATIVE ACT.
10:35:21AM IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY THIS BODY WOULD RE-REVIEW
10:35:24AM AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
10:35:25AM YOU WOULD CONSIDER REQUESTS TO RESET THE HEARING DATE OR
10:35:30AM CONTINUE THE HEARING DATE ON THE DATE THAT HEARING IS SET.
10:35:33AM SO I WOULD SAY THAT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHEN THAT HEARING
10:35:37AM SHOULD OCCUR SHOULD OCCUR ON SEPTEMBER 15th WHEN THE
10:35:40AM HEARING DATE HAS BEEN INITIALLY SCHEDULED, WHETHER IT'S
10:35:43AM APPROPRIATE TO RESCHEDULE IT, WHETHER THE PARTIES IN
10:35:47AM INTEREST, THE PETITIONER OR PROPERTY OWNER OR OTHER PARTIES
10:35:50AM OF INTEREST HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT DATE, THEN THAT'S THE
10:35:54AM APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS THAT IS SEPTEMBER 15th.
10:35:57AM >> I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
10:35:59AM I JUST NEEDED TO RESPOND BECAUSE I CAN'T GET UP HERE TWICE.
10:36:04AM I NEEDED TO STATE MY PIECE BEFORE THEY SPOKE.
10:36:08AM THANK YOU.
10:36:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:36:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:36:19AM MY NAME IS ROBIN LOCKETT.

10:36:22AM I'M WITH FLORIDA RISING.
10:36:23AM I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ROBBERY IF I DID NOT SHOW UP TO LET
10:36:29AM YOU KNOW WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE IN REGARDS TO COUNCIL
10:36:32AM COWARDLY NOT SUPPORTING RENT STABILIZATION.
10:36:36AM THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
10:36:38AM I WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR
10:36:43AM STANDING UP FOR THE PEOPLE TO ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO MAKE THE
10:36:46AM DECISION AROUND RENT STABILIZATION.
10:36:50AM WHAT HAPPENED ONE WEEK IN BETWEEN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU
10:36:55AM ALLOWED PEOPLE THAT WAS CAUSING THE HARM TO COME DOWN HERE
10:37:00AM AND PUT PRESSURE ON YOU.
10:37:02AM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, AND
10:37:06AM I SPOKE WITH EACH ONE OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:37:10AM AND THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT, ALL AGREED THAT EXCEPT FOR
10:37:15AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, HE WAS UP FRONT, BUT EVERY LAST ONE OF
10:37:20AM YOU, SAY SUPPORT THIS.
10:37:23AM THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DO IT CAME, YOU SHOWED COWARDLY
10:37:28AM EFFORTS.
10:37:29AM THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
10:37:30AM I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILWOMAN
10:37:34AM HURTAK FOR ATTENDING OUR PARK TO THE POST EVENT.
10:37:40AM NOT ONLY DOES FLORIDA RISING WORK ON ISSUES, WE ALSO
10:37:44AM MOBILIZE THE VOTE.
10:37:45AM ANDREWS, BEFORE AUGUST THE 20th, WHICH IS MY BIRTHDAY,
10:37:51AM BEFORE AUGUST THE 20th HAD LESS THAN A HUNDRED VOTES

10:37:54AM COMING OUT.
10:37:55AM THEY HAD ONE DATE THAT THEY SHOWED A HUNDRED VOTES CAN BE
10:37:57AM OUT.
10:37:58AM ON THE DATE OF THAT MOBILIZATION, 230 VOTES.
10:38:02AM MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT TO YOU, BUT WHAT WE PROVED IS THAT
10:38:06AM IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VOTING, PUTTING IT OUT THERE, BEING
10:38:10AM CONSISTENT, PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP.
10:38:12AM THAT WAS OUR FIRST ONE.
10:38:13AM THAT WEEKEND WITH THE SHOW TO THE POLLS AND OUR EVENT, OVER
10:38:19AM 500 VOTES WERE MADE.
10:38:21AM THAT'S GOOD.
10:38:22AM THAT'S A WIN FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING PREPARED FOR
10:38:26AM MARCH.
10:38:29AM I ALSO WANT TO THANK NICOLE TRAVIS AND HER TEAM FOR COMING
10:38:33AM OUT AND US DOING A WORKSHOP AROUND HOUSING.
10:38:37AM THAT WAS A SUCCESS.
10:38:39AM YOU OWE US.
10:38:44AM I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.
10:38:47AM TODAY, WE'RE RELAXING BECAUSE WE WERE MOBILIZING PEOPLE
10:38:52AM AROUND THE ELECTION, BUT YOU OWE US AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO
10:38:56AM STOP.
10:38:56AM I CAME BECAUSE I WANTED YOU TO SEE ME.
10:39:00AM JUST SOMETHING FUNNY.
10:39:02AM WHEN I WAS OUT CANVASSING, I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH OF THE
10:39:05AM CITY PAYS ATTENTION TO CITY COUNCIL.

10:39:08AM DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I KNOCKED ON PEOPLE'S DOORS AND THEY
10:39:11AM RECOGNIZED ME FROM COMING DOWN HERE AND THEY WANTED TO TELL
10:39:14AM ME TO KEEP GOING FORWARD.
10:39:16AM SO THIS IS NOT OVER.
10:39:18AM WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK HERE, AND IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTING
10:39:22AM WHAT WE WANT, WE MOBILIZE VOTERS.
10:39:26AM THANK YOU.
10:39:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:39:34AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:39:35AM ANDREW CARTER, PRESIDENT OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS.
10:39:38AM I WANT TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT REMAINS AT THE
10:39:41AM FOREFRONT FOR US AND THAT'S ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
10:39:43AM FEW YEARS AGO YOU SAW A STUDY PRODUCED BY THE INTERNATIONAL
10:39:46AM ASSOCIATION OF FIREFIGHTERS.
10:39:47AM WE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
10:39:49AM I JUST WANT TO REMIND THAT YOU WHEN WE APPROVE ALL THESE
10:39:52AM GIANT DEVELOPMENTS, MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE
10:39:55AM OCCUPANCY, HOTELS, RESIDENTIAL, I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T APPROVE
10:39:59AM THOSE PROJECTS IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO ROADWAYS AND
10:40:03AM SIDEWALKS AND ELECTRIC AND SEWER.
10:40:04AM WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER THE ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
10:40:07AM AS WE INCREASE THE POPULATION, IF WE DON'T INCREASE THE
10:40:10AM AMOUNT OF FIREFIGHTERS AND ACCESS TO THAT, WE'RE NOT
10:40:12AM STANDING STILL.
10:40:13AM WE'RE MOVING BACKWARDS.

10:40:14AM SO AS I'VE BEEN AN EMPLOYEE FOR 15 YEARS, I LOVE TO SEE THE
10:40:19AM CITY GROW.
10:40:19AM I LOVE BRINGING MY FAMILY DOWN HERE THROUGH THE WESTSHORE
10:40:22AM DISTRICT, CHANNELSIDE DISTRICT, IN THROUGH YBOR.
10:40:24AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY AT THE
10:40:27AM FOREFRONT.
10:40:28AM WHEN WE LOOK AT RESOLUTIONS AND THE WORD SAFETY APPEARS ONE
10:40:31AM TIME.
10:40:31AM WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING THOSE CITIZENS
10:40:35AM THAT WILL WORK THERE, PLAY THERE, LIVE THERE, HAVE THAT SAME
10:40:38AM ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
10:40:39AM THANK YOU.
10:40:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:40:45AM DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC
10:40:48AM COMMENT?
10:40:49AM I SEE WE HAVE THREE ONLINE.
10:40:55AM MS. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU THERE?
10:40:57AM HAS MS. SANCHEZ LOGGED ON?
10:41:09AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
10:41:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
10:41:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:41:15AM MY NAME IS SANDY SANCHEZ, AND I'M A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST.
10:41:19AM DURING YOUR FORMAL, INFORMAL BUDGET DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF
10:41:23AM WEEKS AGO, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY
10:41:27AM THAT AN OMBUDSMAN OR NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE POSITION MIGHT BE

10:41:32AM CREATED.
10:41:33AM I ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU
10:41:36AM INDIVIDUALLY AND I WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK I
10:41:40AM RECEIVED AND WOULD LIKE THIS IDEA TO MOVE FORWARD.
10:41:43AM A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE OMBUDSMAN WOULD ASSIST NEIGHBORHOODS
10:41:48AM IN WADING THROUGH THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CITY'S MUNI CODES,
10:41:52AM LAND USE ISSUES, INCLUDING REZONING.
10:41:55AM CONVOLUTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, QUASI-JUDICIAL ISSUES AND
10:41:59AM MANY OTHER ISSUES WHICH ULTIMATELY JEOPARDIZE THE QUALITY OF
10:42:03AM LIFE AND SAFETY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:42:05AM A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE WOULD ENABLE NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE
10:42:08AM BETTER PREPARED WHEN THEY APPEAR BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THUS
10:42:13AM CUTTING DOWN THE OVERALL TIME DURING REZONES APPEARANCE.
10:42:18AM PROPER DIRECTION, NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BETTER UNDERSTAND THE
10:42:21AM PHRASE, COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
10:42:25AM PROFESSIONAL ADVOCATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HELP SHIELD
10:42:27AM THE CITY COUNCIL FROM UNINTENTIONALLY GETTING INVOLVED IN
10:42:32AM NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS DEVELOPER SQUABBLES.
10:42:34AM IT WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
10:42:39AM CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENTS DOING THE ZONING CHANGE SPEND
10:42:43AM HUNDREDS OF HOURS HELPING TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES FOR
10:42:48AM FREE.
10:42:48AM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ON THE OTHER HAND, GROVEL FOR TIMELY
10:42:53AM INFORMATION.
10:42:54AM LAW-ABIDING, TAX-PAYING, EVERYDAY CITIZEN, TRYING TO EFFECT

10:42:59AM THE QUALITY OF THEIR COMMUNITY ARE NOT A PRIORITY WITH FOLKS
10:43:01AM IN THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENTS.
10:43:04AM A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE IS NOT A POSITION THAT CAN BE EASILY
10:43:07AM FILLED, BUT MUST BE SOMEONE THAT IS KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH LAND
10:43:10AM USE ISSUES, ZONING, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE
10:43:14AM QUASI-JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
10:43:15AM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE IS A BENEFIT TO ALL.
10:43:19AM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, CITY COUNCIL, CITY PLANNING, AND EVEN THE
10:43:24AM DEVELOPERS.
10:43:25AM THIS PERSON SHOULD COME FROM ONE OF THE CITY PLANNING
10:43:28AM DEPARTMENTS OR LEGAL THAT IS KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE TECHNICAL
10:43:32AM ISSUES SURROUNDING THE LAND USE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
10:43:36AM COMPLEXITIES.
10:43:37AM MANY CITIES IN FLORIDA EMPLOY OMBUDSMAN ASSIGNED TO
10:43:43AM DIFFERENT SPECIALTIES FROM HEALTH CARE TO ZONING.
10:43:46AM CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PROTECT YOUR CONSTITUENTS
10:43:49AM AND CREATE A POSITION THAT WOULD HELP EDUCATE THE
10:43:52AM COMMUNITIES ON THE CHANGES PROPOSED BY DEVELOPERS AND THIS
10:43:58AM ADVOCATE BE AVAILABLE TO ALL COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY OF
10:44:00AM TAMPA.
10:44:02AM IF IT TAKES RESEARCH ON CITY STAFF, WE ASK IT BEGIN SOONER
10:44:07AM AND NOT LATER.
10:44:08AM WE ALSO ASK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS BE INVOLVED IN THIS
10:44:12AM PROCESS.
10:44:13AM I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

10:44:15AM THANK YOU.
10:44:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REGARDING MS. SANCHEZ'S COMMENT, I'LL
10:44:22AM MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THE MEETING REGARDING A
10:44:24AM NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE POSITION.
10:44:26AM BUT I'LL TAKE IT UP THEN.
10:44:28AM THANK YOU.
10:44:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:44:29AM MS. STROHMEYER.
10:44:32AM >> HELLO.
10:44:33AM ARE YOU THERE?
10:44:34AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:44:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
10:44:36AM >> OKAY.
10:44:37AM BEFORE I START, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, WHEN I DO COME UP
10:44:41AM HERE, THERE ARE OBVIOUS ISSUES THAT YOU TALK -- GO THROUGH
10:44:46AM THE AGENDA, THIS IS REGARDING OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:44:49AM AS PRESIDENT OF THE INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD
10:44:52AM ASSOCIATION.
10:44:55AM IT'S TO LET PEOPLE BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
10:44:58AM MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TIME TO SIT UP HERE FOR EIGHT HOURS A
10:45:01AM DAY.
10:45:02AM LUCKILY I'M ABLE TO WORK WHILE I'M HERE LISTENING TO WHAT'S
10:45:05AM GOING ON AND I'M ABLE TO GIVE INPUT AND WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME
10:45:09AM QUESTIONS, I'M ABLE TO TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY
10:45:13AM COUNCIL BECAUSE I GET E-MAILS AND I GET TEXTS AND I GET

10:45:16AM PHONE CALLS AND I GET STOPPED ON THE STREET.
10:45:18AM JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW.
10:45:20AM WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA, IT'S NOT JUST ME.
10:45:23AM IT'S TO EDUCATE MY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
10:45:24AM OKAY?
10:45:25AM IS THAT OKAY?
10:45:29AM DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
10:45:30AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:45:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:45:32AM >> OH, OKAY.
10:45:33AM JUST CHECKING.
10:45:34AM ANYWAY, GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA, MY NAME IS JEAN
10:45:37AM STROHMEYER.
10:45:38AM I AM PRESIDENT OF INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
10:45:42AM YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THE ITEMS 5, 6, 7, AND THE $220
10:45:46AM MILLION.
10:45:47AM I SAW THAT FIRST TIME TUESDAY NIGHT ON THIS HUGE AGENDA, 125
10:45:55AM ITEMS, THREE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH 125 ITEMS IS PRETTY
10:45:59AM TOUGH.
10:45:59AM I REALLY THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
10:46:01AM THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
10:46:02AM OBVIOUSLY, OUR GRANDCHILDREN, MY GRANDCHILDREN THAT I DON'T
10:46:05AM HAVE YET WILL BE PAYING FOR THAT BILL AND I DON'T THINK
10:46:09AM THAT'S FAIR TO THEM.
10:46:11AM NUMBER 8, A CONSULTANT ON THE SIDEWALK THINGS, I JUST WANT

10:46:15AM TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A FAIR SHAKE AT SIDEWALKS.
10:46:20AM NUMBER NINE, ARMED SERVICE SECURITY GUARDS.
10:46:23AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE NEEDED.
10:46:24AM PLEASE EDUCATE US.
10:46:25AM 11 AND 12, CATHOLIC CHARITIES, THE HOMELESS.
10:46:28AM I THINK SOMETHING AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO
10:46:31AM HAVE LIKE PINELLAS HOPE BECAUSE THERE ARE HOMELESS AND THEN
10:46:34AM THERE ARE THE DRUG ADDICTS.
10:46:36AM WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE DRUG CLINICS THAT ARE EVERYWHERE.
10:46:42AM THANK YOU FOR THE CONDOLENCES, THE ONE OF YOU DID SEND ME
10:46:46AM ABOUT THE MAN WHOSE NAME MEANS HOPE.
10:46:51AM THANK YOU.
10:46:52AM WE NEED TO GET THE DRUGS OFF THE STREET.
10:46:54AM RETURNING CITIZENS, THAT'S ALL GREAT.
10:46:56AM CALL THEM WHAT YOU WILL, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE QUESTION ON THE
10:46:58AM BOX WOULD BE IF THEY ARE GOING TO WORK AT A DAY CARE, HEY,
10:47:01AM HAVE YOU BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
10:47:03AM LET'S NOT BE STUPID.
10:47:05AM WE'VE GOT TO BE SMART ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS.
10:47:08AM 16, THE SOG ITEMS, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT.
10:47:13AM I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT.
10:47:14AM 18, REDUCE WATER RATES, YAY, YAY, THAT'S GOOD.
10:47:17AM LET'S LOOK INTO THAT.
10:47:18AM SEE, I SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE AND GOOD.
10:47:21AM TO PROTECT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALL THE INSURANCE, WE

10:47:24AM REALLY WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT IF IT WASN'T FOR ONE MAN
10:47:27AM AND HIS ATTORNEY AND PERHAPS OUR CITY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME
10:47:32AM WHO WAS, YOU KNOW, PUSHING FOR THAT REMOVAL OF MR.
10:47:35AM DINGFELDER, UNFORTUNATELY.
10:47:36AM I LOOK INTO THE SURPLUS WATER NUMBER 50.
10:47:41AM I DON'T KNOW, LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T NEED PURE.
10:47:44AM SO IF WE CAN FIND SURPLUS WATER AND EDUCATE PEOPLE, THAT
10:47:48AM WOULD BE GREAT.
10:47:49AM NUMBER 66, THAT'S GOOD.
10:47:50AM GET THE ALGAE OUT OF THE AQUIFER.
10:47:53AM TELL ME HOW YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE I
10:47:58AM HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
10:47:59AM 69 -- DOCK FACILITIES, 79, CAN THE PUBLIC USE THE DOCK
10:48:03AM FACILITIES?
10:48:04AM GIVE ME 30 SECONDS, PLEASE.
10:48:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. STROHMEYER.
10:48:08AM >> 30 SECONDS?
10:48:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. STROHMEYER.
10:48:10AM MS. POYNOR.
10:48:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:48:16AM OKAY.
10:48:21AM AS MY MOTHER WOULD SAY, BIG DUCKIES ARE BEING SPENT ON
10:48:25AM TODAY'S BUDGET IMPLICATIONS.
10:48:27AM 16% OF THE 2022 BUDGET IS IN THE FIRST TEN ITEMS OF TODAY'S
10:48:35AM AGENDA, INCLUDING $220 MILLION BOND TO RETROFIT MCKAY BAY.

10:48:41AM THAT IS MORE THAN DOUBLE HANNA STREET.
10:48:44AM JUST SAYIN'.
10:48:44AM TAKE THAT WHEREVER YOU LIKE.
10:48:46AM I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW MUCH INCOME THAT RETROFIT WILL BRING
10:48:49AM TO THIS DEPARTMENT.
10:48:51AM IS THERE A PROFIT AND LOSS SHEET FOR THIS PROJECT,
10:48:55AM AMORTIZATION OF SPENDING VERSUS INCOME GENERATED?
10:48:58AM I ONLY ASK THIS BECAUSE I HADN'T SEEN MUCH OF A DISCUSSION
10:49:04AM ON THIS PROJECT PRIOR TO TODAY'S AGENDA.
10:49:06AM FUNNY THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED THE SAME THING AND
10:49:10AM WE HAVE NOT COLLABORATED ON THIS.
10:49:12AM I AM PARTICULARLY CURIOUS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 8.
10:49:15AM $5 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR CONSULTING.
10:49:18AM I REALLY HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME ACTUAL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS
10:49:20AM BEING DONE AS PART OF THAT CONTRACT, NOT JUST A BUNCH OF
10:49:25AM PAPER PUSHING.
10:49:25AM BEFORE I LEAVE THE BUDGET ITEMS, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
10:49:28AM IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE ITEMS IN SIRE, THEY CAN BE VERY
10:49:31AM CUMBERSOME.
10:49:32AM SOME OF THESE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF ITEMS.
10:49:36AM A ONE-PAGE CHEAT SHEET WOULD BE AMAZING.
10:49:39AM AS SIMPLE AS THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT, BASIC DESCRIPTION
10:49:43AM OF THE WORK, HOW MANY BIDS WERE RECEIVED AND HOW THEY WERE
10:49:46AM CONSIDERED AND HOW MUCH THE WINNING BIDDER PAID.
10:49:51AM I SUPPORT NUMBER 14 ON SOG.

10:49:53AM OVERALL HAPPY WITH THE IDEA FROM THE RED SHEET.
10:49:57AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT HAS COMMUNICATED DIRECTLY WITH MR.
10:50:00AM DRUMGO ABOUT THE ADJUSTMENTS WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE.
10:50:04AM 19 AND 20 PROTECT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM LIABILITY.
10:50:07AM 21 AND 75 AS A MEMBER OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, I THINK IT'S
10:50:10AM TIME FOR THIS TO NOT BE KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
10:50:13AM I SPOKE WITH COUNCILMAN HURTAK YESTERDAY ABOUT IT.
10:50:18AM IF THE CITY OF TAMPA -- NUMBER 29, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT
10:50:21AM TO ME.
10:50:21AM IF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS PAYING HALF FOR THE BASKETBALL
10:50:25AM COURTS AT LIBERTY AND FREEDOM SCHOOLS, THOSE BASKETBALL
10:50:32AM COURTS SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE 24 HOURS A DAY IF THE SCHOOL IS
10:50:36AM NOT IN SESSION.
10:50:37AM THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED THAT EVERY SINGLE
10:50:40AM SCHOOL HAS A FENCE BETWEEN IT AND THE KIDS WHO LIVE AROUND
10:50:44AM IT.
10:50:44AM I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:50:46AM IF WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR HALF, THEN THE CITIZENS NEED TO
10:50:48AM HAVE ACCESS WHEN THEY ARE NOT THERE.
10:50:50AM AGAIN, NUMBER 65, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT PLANS.
10:50:55AM SOUNDS LIKE A REASONABLE PRICE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE
10:50:58AM ADDRESS, AND WHO ALL BID ON IT.
10:51:00AM A ONE-PAGE CHEAT SHEET.
10:51:03AM THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR.
10:51:04AM NUMBER 89, I WANT TO THANK ABBYE FEELEY, CATE WELLS, AND RON

10:51:09AM WIGGINTON FOR MEETING WITH CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND I
10:51:10AM YESTERDAY AFTERNOON TO STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT.
10:51:12AM I WAS MADE AWARE OF EXTERIOR EASEMENT THIS WEEKEND AND THEY
10:51:16AM ACTUALLY HAD AN INTERIOR EASEMENT ON THE AGENDA THIS WEEK.
10:51:20AM I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR WASTING YOUR TIME ON THAT.
10:51:23AM BUT THAT'S THE LIFE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE.
10:51:26AM THANK YOU.
10:51:28AM PLEASE CHECK OUT THE THAN WEBSITE TO SEE A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF
10:51:33AM EACH COUNCIL.
10:51:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. POYNOR.
10:51:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION?
10:51:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:51:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: ACTUALLY OF MR. MASSEY.
10:51:43AM I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE.
10:51:44AM MS. POYNOR JUST MENTIONED ITEM NUMBER 29 WHICH DEALS WITH
10:51:47AM THE BASKETBALL COURT, WHICH WILL BE 17400 COMMERCE PARK
10:51:54AM BOULEVARD.
10:51:54AM MY SON IS A STUDENT AT FREEDOM HIGH SCHOOL.
10:51:58AM WHICH IS LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
10:51:59AM JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT'S NOT A CONFLICT.
10:52:01AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IT'S NOT A CONFLICT, NO, SIR.
10:52:04AM THIS HAS BEEN PULLED FOR DISCUSSION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
10:52:06AM AS WELL.
10:52:06AM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE NO CONFLICT.
10:52:08AM THANK YOU, SIR.

10:52:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
10:52:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: A LOT OF TIMES WE READ INFORMATION, BUT
10:52:19AM SOMETIMES A PIECE OF MEAT IS SOMETIMES MISSING.
10:52:22AM WHEN I LOOK AT 29, UNLESS I WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE
10:52:26AM SCHOOL, LIBERTY, AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING, AND I HAVE
10:52:32AM NOTHING AGAINST THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE
10:52:37AM PROPERTIES OUT IN THAT AREA, A LOT OF THE RECREATION ARE
10:52:40AM USING SOME OF THE PROPERTIES OUT THERE.
10:52:43AM A LOT OF MY FRIENDS ARE WORKERS IN THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT
10:52:45AM THAT UTILIZE THOSE FACILITIES.
10:52:47AM I THINK IT'S WORTH A DISCUSSION.
10:52:49AM AND THAT WAS PULLED I BELIEVE, CORRECT?
10:52:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:52:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST IN GENERAL, WE SAID THIS BEFORE, AS I
10:53:02AM UNDERSTAND THE DEADLINE FOR EACH WEEK'S AGENDA IS THURSDAY
10:53:08AM OR FRIDAY THE WEEK BEFORE.
10:53:10AM I CAN'T READ THE AGENDA UNTIL WEDNESDAY BECAUSE DOCUMENTS
10:53:13AM COME IN ON WEDNESDAY.
10:53:15AM SOMETIMES MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DOCUMENTS COME IN ON WEDNESDAY
10:53:19AM NIGHT.
10:53:20AM AND THE PUBLIC IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
10:53:24AM I THINK WE OUGHT TO REQUIRE THAT IF THE SUFFICIENT BACKUP
10:53:28AM DOCUMENTS ARE NOT IN THE AGENDA BY A CERTAIN DATE THAT WE
10:53:33AM AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUE IT.
10:53:35AM IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO US BECAUSE WE ARE FORCED TO READ THE

10:53:38AM AGENDA MULTIPLE TIMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN 125 ITEMS WITH A LOT
10:53:42AM OF BACKUP.
10:53:43AM IT'S VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO
10:53:46AM THE PUBLIC.
10:53:47AM ALSO, ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ENORMOUS, LIKE THE
10:53:50AM $220 MILLION, THERE'S VERY LITTLE INFORMATION ON SIRE.
10:53:58AM THE COMMUNITY HAS CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT ALL THIS, THE
10:54:02AM FACT IS WE'RE NOT GIVING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
10:54:04AM THE MAYOR EVEN CALLED FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
10:54:08AM AND STAFF ARE NOT PROVIDING IT.
10:54:11AM WE NEED TO PUT MORE DETAIL AND GET IT INTO SIRE EARLIER SO
10:54:14AM WE ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
10:54:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SHALL WE MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5?
10:54:22AM FILE PW22-76503.
10:54:30AM THIS IS ALL PART OF THREE AGENDA ITEMS, 5, 6, 7, AND AGENDA
10:54:37AM ITEM NUMBER 69 AND 70, WHICH WITH THE PERMISSION OF COUNCIL
10:54:44AM MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
10:54:47AM >> SO MOVED.
10:54:48AM >> SECOND.
10:54:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:54:50AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:54:52AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:54:54AM IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
10:54:58AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:55:00AM SAL RUGGIERO, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE

10:55:03AM SERVICES.
10:55:03AM BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO MAKE A LITTLE STATEMENT ON
10:55:09AM TRANSPARENCY AND HOW I OPERATE.
10:55:14AM I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS.
10:55:17AM AND WE HAD A PREVIOUS CHAIR OF PUBLIC WORKS WHO IS NO LONGER
10:55:21AM WITH THE COUNCIL, BUT HE WAS UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS ON
10:55:26AM WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE.
10:55:27AM I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING.
10:55:29AM I ALSO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I'M ACCESSIBLE ANYTIME YOU
10:55:32AM WANT.
10:55:33AM JUST CALL ME.
10:55:34AM I TALKED TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AT NIGHT.
10:55:37AM I'VE TALKED TO MR. CITRO.
10:55:38AM I'VE TALKED TO MR. VIERA.
10:55:40AM I'M ALWAYS AROUND.
10:55:41AM MR. CARLSON PUT OUT AN E-MAIL FRIDAY.
10:55:44AM I WAS IN NASHVILLE ON VACATION, BUT MY CHIEF OF STAFF CALLED
10:55:48AM ME AND I CALLED YOU BACK.
10:55:50AM BUT I LEFT YOU A MESSAGE.
10:55:52AM SO I'M JUST SAYING --
10:55:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND WE HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY OR TWO DAYS
10:55:55AM AGO.
10:55:55AM >>SAL RUGGIERO: YES.
10:55:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHICH DIDN'T GO VERY WELL.
10:56:00AM I WON'T TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF IT.

10:56:01AM I THINK THERE HAS TO BE RESPECT FOR THE PUBLIC.
10:56:05AM IF YOUR DEPARTMENT DOESN'T RESPECT THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT FOR
10:56:08AM INFORMATION, WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM IN THE CITY.
10:56:10AM >>SAL RUGGIERO: I'LL FIGHT BACK ON THAT BECAUSE WE DO
10:56:13AM RESPECT THE PUBLIC.
10:56:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHERE IS THE BACKUP ON THIS IN SIRE?
10:56:16AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:56:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:56:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE
10:56:20AM PUBLIC TO HAVE BACKUP ON THIS IN SIRE?
10:56:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, LET'S MOVE FORWARD,
10:56:24AM PLEASE.
10:56:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS WHY THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST THIS
10:56:27AM GOVERNMENT.
10:56:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME,
10:56:31AM CAN WE PLEASE MOVE FORWARD?
10:56:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:56:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:56:39AM >>SAL RUGGIERO: ARE WE READY?
10:56:40AM SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE RESPECT THE PUBLIC.
10:56:46AM WE RESPECT THE COUNCIL, AND I'M ACCESSIBLE ALL THE TIME.
10:56:49AM SO CALL ME AND I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
10:56:52AM AND IF YOU WANT BRIEFINGS EVERY SIX MONTHS FROM SOLID WASTE
10:56:57AM AND FROM WASTE TO ENERGY, LET ME KNOW.
10:57:00AM I ALSO RUN FLEET AND FACILITIES.

10:57:02AM SO JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.
10:57:04AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.
10:57:07AM I CAN'T BE THAT PERSON THAT IS A MIND READER.
10:57:09AM BUT I'M ACCESSIBLE, AND WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING AT ALL
10:57:14AM TIMES.
10:57:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
10:57:17AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:57:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO TRY TO GET CLARITY AND
10:57:23AM STOP THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, BETWEEN I AND THE REST OF
10:57:26AM US.
10:57:26AM I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, SIR, AND TO THE ADMINISTRATION MY
10:57:30AM SUGGESTION.
10:57:31AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT.
10:57:35AM ANYTIME YOU SEND OUT SOMETHING REGARDING ANYTHING IN THE
10:57:37AM FUTURE, PUT IT IN THE COMPUTER SO YOU CAN PICK IT UP
10:57:40AM IMMEDIATELY AND NOTIFY US WEEK AGO, TWO MONTHS AGO OR YEAR
10:57:45AM AGO, THAT WAY ALL OF US WILL BE SATISFIED THAT EITHER YOU
10:57:47AM DID OR YOU DIDN'T.
10:57:49AM THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THAT WAY WE KNOW, YOU KNOW AND THE
10:57:54AM PUBLIC KNOWS.
10:57:55AM I WANT COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY.
10:57:57AM >>SAL RUGGIERO: I AGREE.
10:57:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S WHAT I WANT ON BOTH SIDES.
10:58:01AM >>SAL RUGGIERO: YEP.
10:58:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THE

10:58:04AM MEETING, EVERY TIME THEY SEND US SOMETHING ON WHAT SUBJECT
10:58:08AM MATTER IT IS, WHEN THEY NEED TO RECOUP, THEY PUSH THAT AND
10:58:11AM HAND IT TO US.
10:58:12AM THAT'S ALL.
10:58:12AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:58:13AM APPRECIATE IT.
10:58:17AM >>SAL RUGGIERO: OKAY.
10:58:17AM SO TODAY I HAVE WITH ME CHUCK CONKLIN.
10:58:20AM HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLAN.
10:58:23AM HE IS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THIS.
10:58:25AM WE HAVE LARRY WASHINGTON, THE DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE.
10:58:27AM HE'S GOING TO PRESENT ON HIS PORTION BECAUSE WE'LL GIVE YOU
10:58:31AM AN OVERALL OF WHAT LEADING UP TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO
10:58:34AM HAPPEN ON 34th STREET.
10:58:36AM THEN WE HAVE DENNIS ROGERO, CFO OF THE CITY, AND HE'LL TALK
10:58:40AM THE FINANCING.
10:58:46AM I KNOW YOU HEARD THIS, BUT I WANT TO GET IT OUT FOR THE
10:58:49AM PUBLIC, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE FACILITY.
10:58:49AM IT WAS BUILT IN 1967 AS AN INCINERATOR.
10:58:53AM THAT'S WHERE ALL THE CITY'S TRASH WAS BROUGHT AND ULTIMATELY
10:58:56AM JUST BURNED.
10:58:57AM 1985 THE TURBINE GENERATOR WAS INSTALLED.
10:59:02AM THAT'S WHERE WE ACTUALLY PRODUCE THE ELECTRICITY NOW.
10:59:06AM 1998, BOILERS ONE AND TWO WERE REFURBISHED.
10:59:11AM SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON SOME OF THE

10:59:13AM MAINTENANCE WORK, WHEN THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE.
10:59:16AM 2002, BOILERS THREE AND FOUR WERE REFURBISHED.
10:59:21AM WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE BOILERS, THAT'S WHAT BURNS THE TRASH.
10:59:24AM THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM.
10:59:26AM WE CAN BURN A THOUSAND TONS A DAY.
10:59:28AM EACH BOILER DOES 250 TONS.
10:59:32AM IT COULD GO UP OR DOWN DEPENDING ON HOW THEY ARE RUNNING, IF
10:59:35AM THE TRASH IS WET.
10:59:37AM BUT ULTIMATELY WE BURN ABOUT A THOUSAND TONS A DAY AND ABOUT
10:59:41AM 325,000 TONS A YEAR.
10:59:44AM LET ME GO BACK TO THE TURBINE GENERATOR.
10:59:49AM THE LAST TIME THAT WAS REFURBISHED WAS -- IT WAS EIGHT YEARS
10:59:54AM AGO.
10:59:54AM THE STANDARD ON THAT IS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
10:59:57AM SO THAT'S COMING UP.
10:59:59AM IT'S THREE YEARS OVERDUE.
11:00:01AM FROM 1985 TO 2020, A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR RAN THE PLANT FOR
11:00:05AM THE CITY.
11:00:07AM AT FIRST IT WAS WASTE MANAGEMENT, AND THEN WHEELABRATOR
11:00:13AM BOUGHT OUT WASTE MANAGEMENT, AND THEY RAN IT UP TO
11:00:15AM JUNE 1st OF 2020 IS WHEN THE CITY TOOK IT BACK.
11:00:18AM THE REASON WHY WE TOOK IT BACK IS THAT WE FELT THAT THEY
11:00:22AM WEREN'T OPERATING THE PLANT PROPERLY, IN THE BEST INTEREST
11:00:26AM OF THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS.
11:00:27AM THERE WAS VERY LITTLE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THAT MANAGEMENT

11:00:31AM AND THE SOLID WASTE OPERATION, AND THAT'S CRITICAL.
11:00:34AM BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN OUTAGE AT THAT PLANT, THEN WE CAN'T
11:00:39AM BRING CITY TRASH TO THAT PLANT THAT DAY AND WE HAVE TO
11:00:42AM DIVERT IT.
11:00:43AM WHAT WAS HAPPENING BACK THEN WAS OUR TRUCKS WOULD SHOW UP
11:00:46AM AND SAY, OH, NO, WE'RE SHUT DOWN FOR TODAY.
11:00:48AM NOW WE HAVE TO DIVERT IT AND THAT ROLLS INTO TRASH NOT
11:00:52AM GETTING PICKED UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, OVERTIME
11:00:54AM CONSIDERATIONS.
11:00:55AM IT JUST MADE FOR A MESS.
11:00:57AM WE ALSO FELT THAT THEY WEREN'T MAINTAINING THE EQUIPMENT
11:01:03AM PROPERLY.
11:01:03AM BY SHOWING YOU THE DATES, IT CONFIRMS THAT.
11:01:07AM REALLY, THERE WAS NO ALLEGIANCE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
11:01:12AM AN OUTSIDE PARTY RUNNING A CITY FACILITY REALLY NO
11:01:15AM ALLEGIANCE.
11:01:17AM THEIR ONLY ALLEGIANCE WAS LET'S BURN TONNAGE AND MAKE MONEY.
11:01:22AM THAT'S THE REASONS WHY WE TOOK THIS OVER.
11:01:23AM FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, FIRST OFF, WE BROUGHT CHUCK IN AND
11:01:33AM WE STOLE HIM FROM WASHINGTON STATE.
11:01:35AM HE'S DONE THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
11:01:37AM HE'S TAKEN PRIVATE RUN INCINERATORS AND WASTE TO ENERGY
11:01:44AM PLANTS AND TRANSITIONED THEM INTO CITY-RUN FACILITIES.
11:01:47AM SO HE KNOWS THE BUSINESS AND HE'S BEEN DOING IT FOR 30-PLUS
11:01:52AM YEARS.

11:01:52AM SO THE FIRST YEAR THAT HE WAS EMPLOYED, HE SPENT SOLIDIFYING
11:02:00AM THE WORKFORCE OUT THERE.
11:02:01AM 55 EMPLOYEES THAT WORK OUT THERE, AND THEY ARE CRITICAL
11:02:05AM JOBS.
11:02:06AM SOME OPERATE THE CRANES THAT PICK THE TRASH UP AND BRING IT
11:02:09AM INTO THE TIPPING FLOOR AND THEN THERE ARE MAINTENANCE
11:02:12AM PEOPLE.
11:02:13AM THEY ARE VERY SPECIFIC JOBS.
11:02:15AM RIGHT NOW HE HAS EIGHT OPENINGS.
11:02:18AM THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS GETTING THE WORKFORCE TO 55.
11:02:21AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE CONTRACTORS AND THEY
11:02:24AM SUPPLEMENT WHAT WE CAN'T DO AND THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
11:02:26AM THE SECOND YEAR IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED LOOKING INTO WHAT
11:02:33AM DOES THIS PLANT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO FIX IT AND MAKE IT
11:02:36AM RUN -- IT'S RUNNING BUT WE NEED TO MAKE THE REPAIRS AND THE
11:02:39AM RENOVATIONS AND KEEP IT INTO THE FUTURE, SO THAT WE DON'T
11:02:42AM HAVE ANY DISRUPTION OF CITY SERVICES FOR TRASH PICKUP.
11:02:47AM AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT INQUIRY INVESTIGATION, COVID HIT.
11:02:58AM AND IT HIT THE PLANT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE AND IT HIT
11:03:03AM CHUCK.
11:03:03AM THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHERE HE WAS DOWN AND OUT.
11:03:11AM BUT THROUGH THAT, HE WORKED ONLINE AND WITH THE STAFF, AND
11:03:18AM THEY CAME UP WITH A PLAN OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX THIS
11:03:24AM WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT.
11:03:27AM I THINK HE'S DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

11:03:30AM ONCE HE CAME UP WITH WHAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND
11:03:33AM WHERE WE'RE GOING, THERE WAS A BID PUT OUT AND CHARLES PERRY
11:03:39AM PARTNERS, INCORPORATED, WAS SELECTED AS THE CONTRACTOR THAT
11:03:43AM WILL RECEIVE -- THAT WILL OVERSEE THIS PROCESS.
11:03:47AM CHUCK CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU, BECAUSE HE WAS ON THAT SELECTION
11:03:50AM COMMITTEE ON WHAT PARAMETERS WERE DONE TO CHOOSE THEM.
11:03:55AM HE'LL GET INTO THAT.
11:03:56AM SO BACK IN AUGUST 26th OF 2021, THE DESIGN-BUILD FOR THIS
11:04:05AM PROJECT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AND IT WAS VOTED IN TO
11:04:09AM PROCEED.
11:04:10AM THAT WAS A YEAR AGO.
11:04:10AM WE'RE BACK A YEAR WITH THE INFORMATION OF HOW TO PROCEED.
11:04:14AM I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
11:04:16AM SO WE HAVE PRICING ON I'LL CALL IT PHASE ONE.
11:04:24AM PHASE ONE IS MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO BUY TO
11:04:29AM SERVICE THE PLANT.
11:04:31AM AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS THAT ONCE YOU APPROVE THIS,
11:04:37AM HOPEFULLY, IT TAKES 52 WEEKS OR ONE YEAR TO GET THESE --
11:04:42AM THIS EQUIPMENT DELIVERED TO US.
11:04:43AM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.
11:04:45AM AS THIS IS GOING ON WITH PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO IS IN PROCESS
11:04:52AM WITH CHARLES PERRY PARTNERS INCORPORATED, CHUCK, THE
11:04:57AM ENGINEER OF RECORD OUT AT THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLAN WHICH IS
11:05:02AM ARCADIS AND CONTRACT ADMIN.
11:05:06AM AND THEY ARE PUTTING TOGETHER WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST ONCE

11:05:09AM THE PARTS AND MATERIALS COME IN, WHAT'S THE LABOR GOING TO
11:05:12AM COST?
11:05:13AM AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THAT PHASE TWO.
11:05:16AM IN ADDITION TO THIS, CHUCK HAS DEVELOPED A FIVE-YEAR PLAN SO
11:05:22AM THERE'S PHASE ONE, WHICH WE'RE HERE TODAY, PHASE TWO WHICH
11:05:26AM WILL COME, BUT PHASE -- THIS FIVE-YEAR PLAN YOU NEED TO HEAR
11:05:30AM ABOUT IT TODAY.
11:05:31AM THAT'S WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS,
11:05:36AM KIND OF LIKE MAINTENANCE WORK THAT WASN'T DONE DURING THE
11:05:40AM TIME THE PRIVATE CONTRACTOR HAD IT.
11:05:44AM CHUCK WILL KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT, TOO.
11:05:46AM THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE 17 MILLION TODAY THAT
11:05:55AM THERE'S SOME WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN ONE OF THE
11:05:58AM BUILDINGS.
11:05:58AM I THINK IT'S JUST PAINTING, RIGHT?
11:06:01AM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
11:06:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP?
11:06:05AM ANYTIME ANYBODY IS GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP TO THE
11:06:07AM PODIUM SO YOU CAN BE HEARD FOR THE RECORD.
11:06:11AM >> THERE IS A LOT OF PIPING THAT IS --
11:06:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAY I PLEASE HAVE YOUR NAME, SIR?
11:06:16AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: MY NAME IS CHUCK CONKLIN.
11:06:18AM I'M THE WASTE TO ENERGY DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:06:22AM THERE'S A LOT OF PIPING THAT IS GOING TO BE EMPLOYED.
11:06:29AM WE HAVE SOME UNDERGROUND PIPING THAT IS ROTTING, AND WE NEED

11:06:33AM TO BRING IT ABOVEGROUND.
11:06:35AM AND PART OF THIS 17 MILLION IS TO SET UP THAT PIPING PRIOR
11:06:43AM TO TAKING THE PLANT DOWN SO THAT SOME OF THE COMPONENTS CAN
11:06:46AM BE PUT IN PLACE WITHOUT HAVING TO BUILD THIS STAGING
11:06:53AM PROLONGING AN OUTAGE IN THE PIPING.
11:06:57AM >>SAL RUGGIERO: THE POINT OF THAT IS THAT IS GOING TO BE
11:07:00AM COMPLETED BY EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY THERE.
11:07:04AM THERE'S SOME NEWS THERE.
11:07:07AM SO ONCE WE GET THE GO-AHEAD TO PROCEED WITH THIS, AND WE
11:07:13AM ORDER EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO
11:07:18AM COMPLETE THIS -- WELL, THE PLAN IS TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT
11:07:20AM IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2023.
11:07:23AM AND WE HAVE A 50-DAY WINDOW TO DO ALL THE WORK.
11:07:26AM SO THAT MEANS THAT THE PLANT HAS TO BE SHUT DOWN FOR 50
11:07:30AM DAYS.
11:07:30AM WE HAVE TO DIVERT ALL THAT TRASH TO ELSEWHERE, COMPLETE THE
11:07:36AM WORK AND THEN BRING THE PLANT BACK UP WITHIN 50 DAYS.
11:07:40AM THAT'S KIND OF A BASIC OVERVIEW.
11:07:43AM GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE PLANT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN
11:07:45AM DOING THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING ONCE YOU
11:07:48AM APPROVE THIS HOPEFULLY.
11:07:50AM WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO CHUCK CONKLIN.
11:07:57AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: ONCE AGAIN, CHUCK CONKLIN, WASTE-TO-ENERGY
11:08:00AM DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:08:01AM COUNCIL CHAIR, COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO

11:08:08AM STATE THE CASE FOR WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR OUR REQUEST.
11:08:13AM I CAME TO THE CITY OF TAMPA IN ORDER TO HELP WITH THE
11:08:17AM TRANSITION FROM PRIVATE OPERATION TO PUBLIC OPERATION.
11:08:22AM I'VE GOT OVER 40 YEARS' EXPERIENCE IN THE POWER INDUSTRY.
11:08:27AM 36 OF THOSE YEARS I'VE BEEN IN WASTE TO ENERGY.
11:08:30AM THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER PLANT IN THE UNITED STATES,
11:08:34AM LARGE-SCALE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT, THAT HAS DONE WHAT WE'RE
11:08:39AM DOING HERE, AND THAT IS SPOKANE, WASHINGTON.
11:08:43AM THE MAYOR OF SPOKANE HIRED ME TO TRANSITION THAT FACILITY,
11:08:46AM AND IT WAS HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
11:08:48AM THE CITY OF TAMPA LIKED WHAT WE WERE DOING AND THEY FOUND
11:08:52AM THEMSELVES IN THE SAME BOAT AS SPOKANE WAS AND MADE THE
11:08:57AM DECISION TO INTERNALIZE THE OPERATIONS.
11:09:00AM AS DISCUSSED, THE MCKAY BAY FACILITY, REPLACEMENTS, UPGRADES
11:09:06AM AND REPAIRS IN ORDER TO CONTINUE PROVIDING RELIABLE SOLID
11:09:10AM WASTE DISPOSAL SERVICES TO THE CITY OF TAMPA NOW AND INTO
11:09:13AM THE FUTURE.
11:09:15AM THESE REPAIRS WILL HELP MOVE THE FACILITY FROM A REACTIVE
11:09:19AM OPERATION TO ONE OF RELIABILITY, PREDICTABILITY AND A
11:09:27AM PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
11:09:29AM AS SAL DISCUSSED, THE TURBINE GENERATOR, IT'S OVER 35 YEARS
11:09:36AM OLD.
11:09:36AM INDUSTRY STANDARDS DICTATE THAT IT SHOULD BE OVERHAULED
11:09:42AM EVERY FIVE YEARS.
11:09:43AM THIS PARTICULAR MACHINE HAS BEEN OVER 8 YEARS SINCE THE LAST

11:09:48AM OVERHAUL.
11:09:48AM IF THIS MACHINE WERE TO HAVE A FAILURE, CATASTROPHIC
11:09:51AM FAILURE, THIS PLANT IS DOWN, COULD BE DOWN FOR A YEAR OR
11:09:58AM LONGER.
11:10:00AM IF THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, THE COST TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE
11:10:04AM CITIZENS WOULD BE -- I CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HOW MANY
11:10:08AM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WOULD COST US AS THE CITY AND
11:10:15AM CITIZENS.
11:10:16AM THE MAIN TRANSFORMERS AT THE PLANT ARE OVER 37 YEARS OLD.
11:10:20AM THIS IS THE TRANSFORMER THAT ALLOWS POWER TO BE PRODUCED AND
11:10:25AM SENT OUT FOR SALE TO SEMINOLE POWER.
11:10:29AM ALSO, IF THE PLANT GOES DOWN FOR ANY REASON, IT ALLOWS POWER
11:10:33AM TO COME BACK TO US FROM THE POWER COMPANY.
11:10:37AM NOW, WE PRODUCE A LOT OF POWER.
11:10:41AM WE USE OUR OWN POWER THAT WE'RE PRODUCING TO OPERATE THE
11:10:44AM PLANT, BUT WE SELL THE REMAINDER.
11:10:47AM WE'RE SEEING NEARLY $10 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE FROM THAT
11:10:51AM ELECTRICITY.
11:10:52AM SO YOU CAN IMAGINE NOT ONLY WOULD WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS
11:10:57AM AMOUNT OF EXPENSES SHOULD WE HAVE TO MOVE THAT WASTE TO LAND
11:11:03AM FILLS OR OTHER WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANTS, WE WOULD ALSO LOSE
11:11:07AM THIS NEARLY $10 MILLION IN REVENUE.
11:11:10AM SO THERE ARE RISKS BY NOT DOING THIS WORK.
11:11:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LET HIM FINISH HIS PRESENTATION
11:11:20AM AND THEN YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.

11:11:22AM WE CAN ALL ASK OUR QUESTIONS THEN.
11:11:24AM THANK YOU.
11:11:24AM PLEASE PROCEED.
11:11:25AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: WASTE TO ENERGY PLANTS REQUIRE A LOT OF
11:11:28AM ATTENTION TO MAINTENANCE WITH TIME AND AGE.
11:11:29AM THEY CAN FALL INTO DISREPAIR AND FROM INATTENTION AND
11:11:34AM DEFERRING MAINTENANCE TO SAVE DOLLARS.
11:11:36AM THIS PUTS US IN THAT REACTIVE MODE I TALKED ABOUT.
11:11:41AM AND ESSENTIALLY A REACTIVE MODE IS RUN TO FAILURE WHICH IS
11:11:47AM NOT IN ANYONE'S BEST INTEREST.
11:11:49AM CERTAINLY NOT THE CITY OR THE CITIZENS.
11:11:52AM BUT THE REALITY IS THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
11:11:56AM IT'S OUR PLAN TO MAKE CHANGES FROM THIS TYPE OF OPERATION BY
11:12:00AM COMPLETING THE PROPOSED C.I.P. PROJECTS.
11:12:02AM THIS CAN BE DONE.
11:12:06AM I HAVE LED A TEAM IN SPOKANE, WASHINGTON, THAT DID EXACTLY
11:12:11AM THE SAME THING FOR THE SAME REASONS.
11:12:13AM AS TAMPA IS DOING NOW.
11:12:16AM AGAIN, THE FACILITY WAS TAKEN OVER AND STARTED BEING RUN BY
11:12:24AM THE MUNICIPALITY ON JUNE 1st OF 2020.
11:12:26AM SO WE HAVE TWO YEARS UNDER OUR BELT AND WE'RE RECOGNIZING
11:12:29AM WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THIS PLANT TO
11:12:36AM SERVICE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WELL INTO THE
11:12:39AM FUTURE.
11:12:40AM THIS TAKES HARD WORK, DEDICATION, OF COURSE, TIME, AND, OF

11:12:46AM COURSE, RESOURCES, MONEY.
11:12:50AM THAT IS MY PRESENTATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 5, I BELIEVE IT IS.
11:13:04AM THE $17 MILLION.
11:13:09AM I HAVE SOME OTHER INFORMATION, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE MY
11:13:15AM PRESENTATION GO LONGER.
11:13:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:13:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO START, FIRST OF ALL, MR. CHAIR, I
11:13:21AM HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF THIS PROJECT OVERALL, BUT I WOULD
11:13:24AM JUST LIKE TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS REAL FAST.
11:13:28AM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, ESPECIALLY THROUGH COVID.
11:13:31AM I THOUGHT THE CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY, I THOUGHT THAT THE
11:13:36AM CONVERSATION WITH YOU WENT WELL BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF
11:13:39AM EXPERIENCE.
11:13:39AM YOU HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
11:13:41AM YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE FROM SPOKANE AND OTHER PLACES.
11:13:44AM I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE AND WORKING THROUGH THAT.
11:13:47AM JUST TO CLARIFY THE NUMBERS FOR MY COLLEAGUES AND WE DID
11:13:51AM SOME BEHIND THE NAPKIN KIND OF NUMBERS THE OTHER DAY.
11:13:54AM YOU'RE GENERATING PLUS OR MINUS 10 MILLION IN REVENUES BY
11:13:57AM SELLING ELECTRICITY TO SEMINOLE, CORRECT?
11:14:00AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: THAT IS CORRECT.
11:14:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: SEMINOLE ELECTRIC.
11:14:04AM IF YOU HAD TO BUY THE ELECTRICITY THAT YOU'RE USING ON THE
11:14:07AM PLANT, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT BE?
11:14:09AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: WELL, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAN

11:14:12AM WE'RE RECEIVING FOR THE POWER WE GENERATE.
11:14:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: WOULD IT BE 2 MILLION?
11:14:16AM A MILLION?
11:14:17AM ANY BALLPARK?
11:14:19AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS YET, BUT I CAN
11:14:22AM CERTAINLY GET IT BACK TO YOU.
11:14:23AM BUT I WOULD RESPECT IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE.
11:14:29AM WHEN SEMINOLE POWER PAYS US, THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY PAYING US
11:14:33AM ON AN AVOIDED COST BASIS.
11:14:36AM THEY LOOK AT FUELS AND LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR THEM
11:14:39AM TO PRODUCE THE SAME AMOUNT OF POWER.
11:14:41AM THAT'S WHAT THEY PAY US.
11:14:43AM OF COURSE, WHEN THEY SELL THEIR OWN POWER, THEY SELL IT FOR
11:14:46AM A LOT MORE.
11:14:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT COST -- FORGIVE ME MY
11:14:51AM NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY OFF, I THINK THE COST PER YEAR,
11:14:55AM OPERATING COST, AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF THIS INCLUDES
11:14:57AM CAPITAL AND INTEREST, BUT ABOUT 24 MILLION, DOES THAT SOUND
11:15:00AM RIGHT?
11:15:01AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: YEAH, IT'S IN THE $24 MILLION --
11:15:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND SO A PLANT LIKE THIS, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO
11:15:09AM IS POLICY MAKERS IS LOOK AT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE.
11:15:12AM I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
11:15:16AM I THINK THESE PLANTS ARE NOT MEANT TO MAKE A PROFIT.
11:15:18AM THEY ARE MEANT TO SOLVE A COMMUNITY ISSUE WHICH IS HOW DO WE

11:15:21AM DISPOSE WASTE.
11:15:22AM BUT BY USING THIS INCINERATOR, WE ARE GETTING $10 MILLION A
11:15:26AM YEAR TO OFFSET THE 24 MILLION SO THE NET IS ABOUT 14.
11:15:30AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: THAT IS A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION.
11:15:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE CAPITAL COST OF
11:15:36AM ALL THE THINGS MR. ROGERO WILL TALK ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES,
11:15:40AM SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
11:15:42AM IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE GOT TO THIS
11:15:45AM NUMBER, BUT I THINK THE COST OF SHIPPING TO PASCO LAND FILL,
11:15:49AM MAYBE NOT INCLUDING DISTRIBUTION, BUT PAYING THE LAND FILL
11:15:52AM COST IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 15 MILLION A YEAR.
11:15:55AM IF WE DIDN'T USE THIS PLANT AT ALL AND WE SHIPPED IT UP
11:15:58AM THERE --
11:15:58AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: I THINK WE ARRIVED AT THAT NUMBER OR
11:16:01AM NUMBERS -- I DON'T HAVE A CALCULATOR WITH ME, BUT BASED ON
11:16:05AM PAYING $71 A TON FOR 320,000 TONS OF WASTE THAT WOULD HAVE
11:16:10AM TO BE MOVED.
11:16:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU TAKE AWAY -- SO JUST FOR MY
11:16:15AM COLLEAGUES AND MAYBE THEY ASKED THIS QUESTION ALREADY, NET
11:16:17AM RIGHT NOW THIS IS COG US NOT INCLUDING THE NEW CAPITAL
11:16:20AM EXPENSES ABOUT 14 MILLION A YEAR.
11:16:23AM IF WE SHUT THIS DOWN AND SENT IT TO THE LANDFILL, IT WOULD
11:16:26AM BE ABOUT 15 MILLION.
11:16:28AM SO PLUS OR MINUS, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME PRICE.
11:16:35AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: THE DISPOSAL PORTION OF IT YOU'RE RIGHT.

11:16:37AM BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT DISPOSAL.
11:16:39AM NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUCKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
11:16:41AM DIVERTING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HANDLING WASTE HERE AND
11:16:43AM PUTTING IT --
11:16:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE EXTRA COST OF TAKING IT TO PASCO.
11:16:48AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: LARRY CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO MORE OF THAT.
11:16:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M NOT ARGUING FOR LANDFILLS, BECAUSE THERE
11:16:53AM ARE PROS AND CONS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, AND YOU
11:16:56AM HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT I'M SURE YOU'LL GIVE
11:16:59AM LATER.
11:16:59AM I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS OF IT.
11:17:01AM THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE.
11:17:02AM IF WE HAD TO, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T SPENT $220 MILLION
11:17:07AM AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
11:17:09AM THAT'S ONLY FIVE YEARS.
11:17:10AM THAT'S NOT 30 YEARS, NOT INCLUDING INTEREST.
11:17:14AM AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF THIS, RIGHT NOW IF WE HAD TO
11:17:16AM SHUT IT DOWN, IT'S ABOUT PLUS OR MINUS THE SIMILAR COST TO
11:17:20AM SEND IT TO A LAND FILL.
11:17:22AM I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEW
11:17:25AM COST OF IT, WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST.
11:17:27AM WE HAVE TO LOOK 30 YEARS.
11:17:29AM NO BUSINESS WOULD LOOK AT A BIG CAPITAL EXPENDITURE OF THIS
11:17:32AM FOR FIVE YEARS OR TWO YEARS.
11:17:33AM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE TOTAL 30-YEAR COST IS AND

11:17:37AM INCLUDE INTEREST.
11:17:37AM LIKE ON HANNA AVENUE, BESIDES THE PRICE ESCALATION AND LACK
11:17:41AM OF BIDDING, WE FOUND OUT THE INTEREST WAS LIKE 71 MILLION.
11:17:44AM IF YOU TAKE 108 MILLION PLUS 71 MILLION, AND WE DIDN'T EVEN
11:17:46AM INCLUDE O AND M, IT'S PROBABLY TOTAL COST OVER THREE YEARS
11:17:49AM IS 220 MILLION OR MORE FOR A BUILDING THAT HOUSES 500
11:17:53AM PEOPLE.
11:17:53AM I MEAN, INCREDIBLY HIGH PRICES.
11:17:58AM SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS JUST MAKE SURE WE KNOW ALL THE
11:17:59AM COSTS, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF FAILURE.
11:18:04AM IF THERE IS A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
11:18:07AM THE THING IS SAFE AND NOBODY GETS HURT AND NOTHING LIKE THAT
11:18:10AM HAPPENS.
11:18:11AM IF THE THING SHUT DOWN, IF THE TURBINES STOPPED WORKING, WE
11:18:14AM NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE AND LOOK AT THE
11:18:18AM ALTERNATIVES.
11:18:18AM ALL WE WOULD DO IS REDIRECT IT TO THE LAND FILL.
11:18:21AM WHAT ARE THE ONGOING OPERATING COSTS DURING A SHUTDOWN THAT
11:18:26AM WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PAY?
11:18:28AM WHAT DOUBLE COST -- I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE ANSWER NOW, BUT
11:18:32AM WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
11:18:34AM IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION OR A FINANCIAL DECISION THAT WE'RE
11:18:37AM MAKING AND A POLICY DECISION.
11:18:39AM WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE THERE IS A
11:18:41AM SPECIFIC COST.

11:18:42AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: MAY I FOR A MOMENT?
11:18:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: PLEASE.
11:18:46AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT $220 MILLION.
11:18:50AM $220 MILLION IS NOT FOR THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT.
11:18:54AM IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE SOLID WASTE SYSTEM.
11:18:55AM THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT IS ASKING FOR $17 MILLION NOW TO
11:19:00AM BUY THE EQUIPMENT AND PUT DOWN PAYMENTS ON WORK THAT WE NEED
11:19:06AM TO BRING IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN PERFORM THE
11:19:12AM OUTAGE WITHIN A YEAR.
11:19:16AM THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE RISK IS NOT THE
11:19:20AM RISK OVER THE NEXT WEEK.
11:19:22AM IT'S THE RISK OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
11:19:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, 17 MILLION IS TO DO
11:19:31AM IMMEDIATE THINGS IN THE NEXT YEAR, YOU TALKED ABOUT A
11:19:34AM FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
11:19:35AM IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WHAT IS THE TOTAL CAPITAL WE NEED TO PUT
11:19:38AM IN THIS PLAN OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS?
11:19:40AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: TYPICALLY WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT HAS BETWEEN
11:19:43AM THREE TO FOUR MILLION DOLLARS OF CAPITAL PER YEAR.
11:19:46AM THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
11:19:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW AT THE TIME WE TOOK OVER THIS
11:19:51AM FROM WHEELABRATOR, WAS THERE AN ANALYSIS DONE AND ESTIMATE
11:19:55AM OF ALL THE REPAIRS AND COST OF REPAIRS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO?
11:19:59AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: I WAS NOT PRESENT FOR THAT SO I CAN'T
11:20:02AM COMMENT ON WHAT WAS DONE AND WHAT WAS NOT DONE.

11:20:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: MY POINT, SIMILAR TO HANNA AVENUE, HANNA
11:20:08AM AVENUE, WHILE THAT EVALUATION WAS BEING DONE, WE COULD HAVE
11:20:11AM BOUGHT TAMPA CITY CENTER ACROSS THE STREET FOR I THINK 119
11:20:15AM MILLION.
11:20:15AM WE'LL END UP PAYING 108 PLUS, PLUS, PLUS FOR HANNA AVENUE.
11:20:21AM WE COULD HAVE RENTED OUT THE EXTRA SPACE ACROSS THE STREET,
11:20:24AM TAMPA CITY CENTER, AND MADE A PROFIT ON IT.
11:20:28AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST EMPIRE BUILDING,
11:20:31AM THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING THE RIGHT POLICY DECISIONS.
11:20:33AM IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT WE GO THROUGH ALL THE
11:20:36AM BUSINESS NUMBERS.
11:20:37AM YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.
11:20:38AM YOU CAN TALK US THROUGH IT.
11:20:40AM BUT I WANT TO SET THE PUBLIC'S EXPECTATION BECAUSE WE MAKE A
11:20:43AM DECISION NOW AND THEN A YEAR FROM NOW COME BACK AND SAY,
11:20:45AM OKAY, NOW WE NEED ANOTHER 20 MILLION, I WOULD RATHER MAP OUT
11:20:49AM THE WHOLE THING FOR 30 YEARS, WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST
11:20:51AM INCLUDING INTEREST, CAPITAL, O AND M, EVERYTHING FOR WHAT WE
11:20:55AM NEED TO DO OVER 30 YEARS AND COMPARE IT TO THE OTHER POLICY
11:20:58AM CHOICES AND LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WHICH YOU'RE AN
11:21:01AM EXPERT ON AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT THAT HOLISTICALLY, THEN WE
11:21:04AM CAN MAKE A DECISION THAT'S PRUDENT FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:21:06AM AND PROBABLY BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD THE OTHER DAY,
11:21:09AM PROBABLY WILL GET BACK TO THE SAME POINT THAT YOU ALL ARE
11:21:13AM AT.

11:21:13AM BUT MY ISSUE IS THAT IN THE LAST TWO MEETINGS WHERE THIS WAS
11:21:18AM DISCUSSED IN THE BUDGET IT WAS A QUICK LINE ITEM, OH, WE'LL
11:21:20AM COME BACK TO YOU ON 220 MILLION.
11:21:22AM YES, THERE WERE MEMOS IN THE PAST BUT NOT A COMPREHENSIVE
11:21:25AM LOOK AT THIS AS A POLICY DECISION AND AS A BIG CAPITAL
11:21:29AM EXPENDITURE.
11:21:29AM WE NEED IN A MORE WHOLESOME WAY NOT JUST TALK AS CITY
11:21:32AM COUNCIL BUT TALK TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE
11:21:35AM LOOKING AT ALL THE NUMBERS.
11:21:37AM A PUBLIC COMPANY WOULD NEVER MAKE A DECISION ON A SHORT-TERM
11:21:41AM BASIS LIKE THIS.
11:21:41AM THEY ALWAYS WOULD PLAN OUT.
11:21:43AM SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING PRUDENT ABOUT IT.
11:21:45AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:21:48AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: I'D LIKE TO RESPOND A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.
11:21:51AM I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HANNA.
11:21:54AM THAT WOULD BE SAL RUGGIERO.
11:21:58AM ONCE AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS ENOUGH MONEY TO START
11:22:03AM THE PROCESS, TO ORDER THE EQUIPMENT, AND GET ON PEOPLE'S
11:22:08AM SCHEDULES FOR A YEAR FROM NOW.
11:22:09AM PRICING NUMBER TWO WILL COME IN FOR THE INSTALLATION, THE
11:22:17AM REST OF THE COMPONENTS THAT DON'T HAVE LONG LEAD TIME AND
11:22:21AM ALL OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
11:22:23AM WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER YET.
11:22:26AM AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE 17 MILLION TO GET THAT PROCESS

11:22:33AM STARTED.
11:22:34AM I DO HAVE A LITTLE INFORMATION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL.
11:22:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:22:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'LL HOLD BACK UNTIL DENNIS GETS BACK.
11:22:53AM THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT MR. CARLSON IS TALKING ABOUT THAT WE
11:23:03AM NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
11:23:04AM I TELL HIM UP FRONT, WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
11:23:07AM THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I'LL HAVE.
11:23:09AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:23:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:23:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LOOKING AT THE $17 MILLION IN REGARDS TO
11:23:15AM MAINTENANCE AND THE TURBINES AND A CATASTROPHIC SITUATION
11:23:20AM WHERE THIS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED EVERY FIVE YEARS, NOW WE'RE
11:23:23AM AT YEAR 8, SO KNOCK ON WOOD, I HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS, BUT
11:23:27AM SHOULD IT HAPPEN, IT'S NOT ABOUT WE CAN SEND IT OFF TO PASCO
11:23:31AM COUNTY, BUT IT'S DIVERTING THE TRASH, THE WASTE TO DADE CITY
11:23:36AM AND THE REDUCTION IN THE QUALITY OF THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE
11:23:39AM PROVIDING THE COMMUNITY ON TOP OF A DELAY OF POSSIBLY A
11:23:43AM YEAR, YOU KNOW, TO GET THINGS UP AND RUNNING AGAIN.
11:23:47AM I SEE THIS AS A MAINTENANCE INVESTMENT.
11:23:51AM I THINK DENNIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'LL TALK ABOUT
11:23:53AM THIS LATER, WE'RE ACTING AS OUR OWN BANK, PAYING THIS MONEY
11:23:58AM BACK.
11:24:00AM HE'LL EXPLAIN IT LATER.
11:24:01AM BUT MAINTENANCE IS KEY BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A GENERATOR ISSUE,

11:24:05AM A TURBINE ISSUE AND WE HAVE TO DIVERT TO ANOTHER COUNTY
11:24:09AM WHICH IS FARTHER AWAY, NOT JUST -- NOT JUST WHAT IT'S GOING
11:24:12AM TO COST US, NOT JUST THE REVENUE THAT WE LOSE, WHAT WE SELL
11:24:17AM TO SEMINOLE AND HOW WE EARN THAT, LIKE EIGHT, NINE HUNDRED
11:24:21AM THOUSAND A MONTH I THINK THE NUMBER WE THREW OUT THERE WAS
11:24:23AM $10 MILLION A YEAR.
11:24:25AM IT'S THE FACT THAT THE TRANSPORTATION TO GET THAT THERE, THE
11:24:29AM DELAY, THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'LL GET FROM THE PUBLIC, PEOPLE
11:24:33AM WANT THE SOLID WASTE PICKED UP.
11:24:36AM THEY ARE ON A SET SCHEDULE.
11:24:38AM WHEN THE FACILITY IS BACKED UP AND SHUT DOWN AND WE HAVE TO
11:24:41AM DIVERT IT TO ANOTHER COUNTY, IT TAKES TIME TO GET TO DADE
11:24:44AM CITY.
11:24:46AM I THINK WE DON'T REALIZE THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
11:24:49AM WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATED DOLLARS, BUT I THINK IT COULD
11:24:52AM BE AN EVEN WORSE SITUATION.
11:24:55AM I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY AND WHY, AND WE'RE BEHIND ON THE
11:25:00AM SCHEDULE OF MAINTAINING THIS, AND ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
11:25:04AM ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN NEGATIVELY, AND WE WANT TO AVOID THAT.
11:25:10AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: I'D LIKE ALSO TO ADD TO THAT.
11:25:12AM SHOULD WE HAVE TO DIVERT ALL OF THIS WASTE, THE INCREASE IN
11:25:16AM GREENHOUSE GASES, WHEN YOU PUT A TON OF TRASH INTO A LAND
11:25:22AM FILL, LAND FILLS GENERATE METHANE, WHETHER THEY HAVE A
11:25:26AM COLLECTION SYSTEM OR NOT.
11:25:28AM METHANE IS 80 TIMES MORE POTENT A GREENHOUSE GAS THAN CO2,

11:25:32AM AND WE EMIT CO2 AT THE FACILITY.
11:25:36AM I HAVE SOME NUMBERS TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH CO2 WE EMIT AND
11:25:43AM COMPARE THAT TO THE GREENHOUSE GASES THAT ARE NATIONWIDE
11:25:47AM FROM BOTH WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANTS COMPARATIVE TO LANDFILLS.
11:25:53AM SO THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT GOES ON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
11:25:56AM DIVERTING WASTE FOR UP TO A YEAR OR MORE.
11:26:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT IS ALREADY 11:25 RIGHT
11:26:07AM NOW.
11:26:07AM I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD OFF ON QUESTIONS UNTIL THE PRESENTATION
11:26:14AM HAS COME.
11:26:15AM I ALREADY HAVE MY QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO ASK, AND THEY
11:26:17AM WILL BE DONE IN RAPID FIRE.
11:26:19AM NO OFFENSE TO STAFF, BUT WE HAVE STAFF HERE THAT REALLY
11:26:22AM NEEDS TO GET BACK TO WORK.
11:26:23AM IF WE CAN HOLD OUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END.
11:26:26AM PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
11:26:29AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: SHALL I MOVE ON TO ITEMS 69 AND 70?
11:26:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE.
11:26:35AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: ITEM NUMBER 69 HAS AN ID NUMBER OF 7691.
11:26:43AM 76691 FOR $488,256.24.
11:26:48AM THIS IS AN ANNUAL CONTRACT.
11:26:51AM THIS ALLOWS US TO GO INSIDE EACH OF THE FOUR BOILERS AND
11:26:55AM REPLACE THE GRATE LOCKS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
11:27:00AM GRATE BLOCKS, EXACTLY WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE.
11:27:02AM THE FUEL COMES INTO THE FURNACE.

11:27:04AM IT GOES ON TO THE GRATE BLOCKS AND THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE IS
11:27:07AM GENERATED.
11:27:09AM 2500 DEGREES.
11:27:10AM UP TO 2500 DEGREES.
11:27:12AM SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT GO ON IN THE GRATE
11:27:18AM BLOCKS.
11:27:20AM WE WILL BE SEEING THIS CONTRACT ANNUALLY.
11:27:22AM THE SAME IS TRUE FOR ITEM 76698.
11:27:25AM THIS IS FOR THE REFRACTORY IN THE BOILERS.
11:27:30AM THEY NEED TO BE MAINTAINED ANNUALLY.
11:27:34AM REMEMBER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR BOILERS HERE.
11:27:37AM THE REFRACTORY COVERS THE TUBES IN THE BOILER AND PROTECTS
11:27:41AM THOSE TUBES IN THE FURNACE AREA FROM DIRECT IMPINGEMENT FROM
11:27:47AM THE FLAMES AND THE HEAT AND CORROSION OF THE BURNING
11:27:52AM PROCESS.
11:27:52AM SO THESE ARE ANNUAL CONTRACTS, AND THEY ARE CONTAINED WITHIN
11:28:01AM THE OPERATING BUDGET THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT HOW
11:28:05AM MUCH IT COSTS TO RUN A WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT.
11:28:08AM I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LARRY.
11:28:22AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: I APPRECIATE IT.
11:28:23AM GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN.
11:28:24AM GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
11:28:25AM I'M LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE ENVIRONMENTAL
11:28:28AM PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
11:28:29AM I WILL ROUND OUT ITEM 7, MYSELF AND THE CFO, MR. ROGERO.

11:28:36AM I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE RELOCATION OF THE SOLID WASTE
11:28:48AM HEADQUARTERS FROM SPRUCE STREET TO 34th STREET.
11:28:51AM NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OUR EXISTING SITE HAS MULTIPLE --
11:28:56AM CAN YOU SEE?
11:28:57AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
11:28:58AM AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OUR EXISTING SITE HAS MULTIPLE
11:29:02AM DEPARTMENTS.
11:29:03AM WE HAVE SOLID WASTE, OF COURSE, FACILITY MAINTENANCE,
11:29:07AM CONTAINER IS PART OF SOLID WASTE AND FLEET MAINTENANCE.
11:29:10AM THIS PARCEL IS 17 ACRES IN TOTAL.
11:29:15AM IN ADDITION, IT SPANS FROM SPRUCE STREET TO LAUREL STREET.
11:29:20AM VERY BOTTOM IS HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU AS WELL.
11:29:21AM YOU LOOK NORTH, LOOK SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE RESIDENTIAL AREAS
11:29:28AM SURROUNDING IT.
11:29:30AM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS
11:29:32AM WAS A LONG TIME COMING.
11:29:34AM LIKE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED.
11:29:37AM ULTIMATELY -- WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR
11:29:40AM APPROVING THE DESIGN-BUILD LAST MONTH.
11:29:44AM JULY 14, FOR THIS PROJECT AS A WHOLE.
11:29:46AM I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK BECAUSE I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU KNOW
11:29:50AM ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT JUST IN CASE, THERE ARE SOME THAT DO
11:29:54AM NOT REMEMBER, THIS WAS NOT HAPHAZARDLY STUMBLED UPON.
11:30:01AM 2019, HOWARD AND ASSOCIATES PREPARED A MASTER PLAN FOR THIS
11:30:05AM PARCEL AND SOLID WASTE IN GENERAL.

11:30:07AM AND THEREFORE THIS HAS LED TO THE RELOCATION ITSELF.
11:30:13AM TO BE SPECIFIC, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT
11:30:16AM THERE'S MORE THAN JUST AN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING ARRIVING
11:30:20AM AT 34th STREET.
11:30:22AM IT'S AN ADMIN BUILDING, FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING AS WELL
11:30:25AM SO WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR FLEETS, TRUCK WASH, RELOCATING FROM
11:30:30AM OUR CURRENT SITE TO THE MCKAY BAY FACILITY.
11:30:34AM SCALE HOUSE.
11:30:37AM WE'RE IMPROVING OUR SCALE HOUSE.
11:30:39AM WE'RE EXPANDING THE LANES AS WELL TO ACCOMMODATE FOR OUR
11:30:44AM GROWING COMMUNITIES AS WELL AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A PARKING
11:30:48AM GARAGE.
11:30:48AM THIS PROJECT IN ITSELF IS THREE YEARS.
11:30:53AM ONE YEAR FOR BUILD AND A ONE YEAR FOR DESIGN AND TWO YEARS
11:30:58AM TO BUILD.
11:30:59AM AND THE CCNA PROCESS TOOK PLACE DECEMBER 17, 2021.
11:31:04AM MOVING FORWARD, SO THIS IS WHERE WE PLAN ON RELOCATING.
11:31:11AM MR. CHUCK CONKLIN JUST MENTIONED THE AREA.
11:31:15AM IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL SITE.
11:31:17AM YOU CAN SEE TO THE WEST IS THE ACTUAL INCINERATOR.
11:31:23AM WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY.
11:31:24AM WE WOULD LIKE TO RELOCATE OURSELVES IN THIS PARCEL.
11:31:29AM IF YOU LOOK TOWARDS THE EAST OF THAT WASTE TO ENERGY
11:31:32AM FACILITY, YOU CAN SEE THE IMPOUND LOT.
11:31:34AM THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WILL BE

11:31:36AM LOCATED.
11:31:37AM THERE'S MULTIPLE BENEFITS FOR THIS RELOCATION.
11:31:42AM SPRUCE STREET TO MCKAY BAY FACILITY IS 19 MINUTES IN TOTAL.
11:31:46AM THAT'S WITHOUT TRAFFIC.
11:31:47AM IMAGINE A 4 P.M. DAY, FINISHING YOUR ROUTE AND A GARBAGE
11:31:52AM TRUCK SITTING AT LEAST 40 MINUTES.
11:31:55AM PUT THAT INTO DOLLARS AND CENTS, LET'S SAY A HUNDRED PEOPLE,
11:31:58AM HUNDRED EMPLOYEES, 30 MINUTES APIECE, AT A RATE FOR OVERTIME
11:32:03AM IS $32, FOUR DAYS A WEEK, THAT'S $330,000 A YEAR THAT WE
11:32:09AM COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE BY RELOCATING.
11:32:12AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WOULD CENTRALIZE OUR RIGHT NOW
11:32:16AM FRAGMENTED OPERATION.
11:32:18AM WE WILL GAIN EFFICIENCY AS I JUST MENTIONED AND PRODUCTIVITY
11:32:20AM FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL.
11:32:24AM REDUCE THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND FUEL USAGE AS MOST OF YOU
11:32:28AM KNOW, 60% OF OUR 140 FLEET TEAM IS C AND G POWER.
11:32:36AM COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS.
11:32:38AM ON TOP OF THAT, WE WILL REDUCE THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING
11:32:42AM AREAS, THE NOISE POLLUTION, THE CONGESTION, THE TRAFFIC
11:32:45AM CONGESTION, AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
11:32:48AM REVITALIZE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:32:51AM ALSO, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THE BENEFITS FOR
11:32:54AM THE EMPLOYEES, OUR TEAM AS WELL.
11:32:56AM SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE MENTAL STRAIN OF HAVING TO
11:33:00AM TRAVEL THROUGHOUT TRAFFIC TO GET FROM THE INCINERATOR BACK

11:33:04AM TO THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY LOCATED ON SPRUCE RIGHT NOW.
11:33:06AM AND IN ADDITION, IT WOULD IMPROVE THE WORK LIFE BALANCE FOR
11:33:11AM OUR TEAM.
11:33:11AM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
11:33:15AM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, OF COURSE.
11:33:16AM AND I OPEN THIS UP FOR THE CFO, MR. ROGERO.
11:33:30AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:33:32AM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
11:33:35AM OF COURSE, YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN THE REASONS WHY WE THINK THIS
11:33:39AM IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
11:33:41AM I USE THE TERM COURSE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS.
11:33:45AM WE'RE CHARTING A COURSE AND SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO GO WITH
11:33:48AM THAT COURSE, WE'RE OFFERING YOU A WAY TO PAY FOR IT.
11:33:51AM BUT IF I COULD, AGAIN, CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.
11:33:54AM THE $220 MILLION THAT WE'RE REFERENCING IS PART OF THE
11:33:59AM FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE SUBMITTED TO
11:34:02AM YOU EARLIER THIS MONTH.
11:34:04AM WE'RE SIMPLY FLESHING IT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE
11:34:08AM NEED FOR AN INITIAL PURCHASE OF $17 MILLION.
11:34:11AM AS COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS REFERENCING, THOUGH, ULTIMATELY
11:34:16AM SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO PURSUE THIS COURSE, IT IS A $220 MILLION
11:34:20AM PLAN IN THOSE FIRST THREE YEARS.
11:34:22AM BUT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO APPROVE A $220 MILLION
11:34:26AM PLAN RIGHT NOW.
11:34:28AM AND COUNCIL KNOWS FROM EXPERIENCE I WOULD CERTAINLY NEVER

11:34:32AM ASK YOU TO APPROVE 220 MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF DEBT
11:34:35AM WITHOUT THE ROAD SHOW, THE PRESENTATION, MY INTERNAL AND
11:34:40AM EXTERNAL FINANCE TEAM HERE.
11:34:43AM SO I APOLOGIZE IF THE $220 MILLION HAS BEEN CONFUSING AND
11:34:47AM I'LL ADDRESS THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
11:34:49AM WE'RE ASKING FOR A $17 MILLION CONTRACT AGREEMENT.
11:34:56AM WE'RE ASKING TO MOVE SOME FUNDING INTERNALLY WITHIN SOLID
11:35:00AM WASTE SO WE CAN MEET THAT $17 MILLION CONTRACT AGREEMENT.
11:35:04AM AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WE'RE LETTING
11:35:06AM YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A RATE STUDY, WHICH WILL LIKELY,
11:35:09AM AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, LEAD TO SOME RATE INCREASE IN THE
11:35:15AM SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
11:35:17AM FINALLY, AND THIS IS WHERE I'LL BRING IN THE 220 MILLION.
11:35:21AM IN AN EFFORT AT BEING AS EXPEDIENT AS POSSIBLE, WHAT WE'RE
11:35:25AM ASKING IS SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO ISSUE DEBT, THIS WILL ALLOW
11:35:29AM US, AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WAS SAYING, TO PAY OURSELVES
11:35:34AM BACK FROM THAT BOND.
11:35:35AM WE SPEND A DOLLAR NOW WITHOUT A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION, I
11:35:38AM CAN'T CAPTURE THAT BACK FROM THE BOND ISSUANCE.
11:35:42AM NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, PERHAPS THERE IS A WAY FORWARD FOR
11:35:48AM THIS URGENT BUT NOT EMERGENCY NEED.
11:35:53AM IF THE 220 MILLION IS CAUSING HESITANCY, AND, AGAIN, IT
11:35:57AM STILL NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT.
11:35:59AM AGAIN, COUNCIL STILL HAS TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TO TALK ABOUT
11:36:03AM THE BUDGET AND THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

11:36:07AM I BELIEVE IT IS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO AMEND ITEM NUMBER 3,
11:36:11AM THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION TO COINCIDE WITH THE 17 ODD
11:36:16AM MILLION DOLLAR EXPENDITURE.
11:36:17AM THAT ALLOWS US TO START SPENDING MONEY SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO
11:36:20AM PURSUE THIS COURSE AND PAY OURSELVES BACK WITH THE BOND.
11:36:24AM BUT I DO FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY FROM THE FINANCE PERSPECTIVE,
11:36:32AM AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION HAS PROVED IT FROM THE
11:36:34AM DEPARTMENTAL PERSPECTIVE.
11:36:37AM IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, WE FELT IT WOULD BE
11:36:41AM DISINGENUOUS TO ASK TO MAKE A $17 MILLION DECISION WITHOUT
11:36:46AM KNOWING IT COULD LEAD TO THIS INCREMENT, THAT IT COULD LEAD
11:36:49AM TO THIS INCREMENT, THAT IT COULD LEAD TO THIS INCREMENT.
11:36:52AM THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER THE $220 MILLION
11:36:55AM PRESENTATION.
11:36:56AM I'LL REITERATE AGAIN, AT EACH AND EVERY INSTANT WHERE WE
11:37:03AM SEEK DEBT FOR THIS, WE'LL COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
11:37:05AM WE'LL GIVE THE PRESENTATION.
11:37:06AM AND CITY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO PROCEED OR NOT.
11:37:09AM YOU HEARD SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES IF WE DON'T PROCEED.
11:37:14AM AGAIN, THAT WILL BE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION AT THAT TIME.
11:37:18AM AT THIS TIME, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE VOLATILE NATURE OF PRICE
11:37:21AM INCREASES, WE'D LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE $17 MILLION
11:37:25AM EXPENDITURE.
11:37:27AM AND FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WHATEVER I CAN DO TO MAKE
11:37:30AM YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT 17 MILLION I'LL TRY TO DO.

11:37:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE ALL OF YOU COLLECTIVELY READY TO TAKE
11:37:39AM QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST ASK MR. ROGERO
11:37:43AM A QUESTION?
11:37:45AM AS I STATED EARLIER, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ASK ALL STAFF
11:37:50AM CONCERNED QUESTIONS.
11:37:51AM THEN LET'S GO WITH ALL STAFF.
11:37:55AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU'RE FIRST UP.
11:37:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOST OF MY QUESTIONS TO MR. ROGERO.
11:37:59AM SOLID WASTE HAS SOME MONEY THAT CAN HELP WITH THE 17
11:38:04AM MILLION, CORRECT?
11:38:05AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
11:38:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO THEY CAN PAY THEMSELVES BACK BASICALLY
11:38:08AM ON IT, RIGHT?
11:38:09AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
11:38:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE BIGGER QUESTION YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL
11:38:14AM PICTURE, I LOOK, GIVE AN EXAMPLE, YESTERDAY, ONE OF MY
11:38:19AM VEHICLES WAS DOWN FOR LIKE 19 DAYS.
11:38:23AM YESTERDAY, THE LADY CALLS ME AND SAYS YOU NEED MAINTENANCE.
11:38:30AM COME IN TOMORROW.
11:38:31AM BUT THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
11:38:32AM MY QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE,
11:38:36AM YOU NEVER CAN GO BACK, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THAT.
11:38:39AM HOW IN THE WORLD, AND THINGS DO BREAK.
11:38:42AM THEY GET OLD.
11:38:44AM THERE WAS NO PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE IT SEEMS LIKE.

11:38:48AM ONCE YOU FIX THIS ONE SECTION, THAT'S A NEW PUMPING ENGINE.
11:38:55AM SOMETHING ELSE WILL BREAK.
11:38:56AM THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF IT.
11:38:59AM SO THE BIG BOTTOM PICTURE, I WANT TO KNOW -- HOW ARE YOU
11:39:03AM GOING TO BREAK THIS UP?
11:39:04AM BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WILL SAY WHERE IS MY INCREASE GOING TO
11:39:09AM COME IN?
11:39:10AM WHERE IS THE INCREASE?
11:39:12AM HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK?
11:39:13AM YOU'RE RIGHT.
11:39:16AM IT'S AN INCINERATOR.
11:39:17AM GARBAGE HAS TO BE PICKED UP.
11:39:19AM GARBAGE HAS TO BE BURNED.
11:39:21AM DON'T WANT TO PUT GARBAGE ALL IN LAND FILLS.
11:39:23AM I DON'T THINK THAT'S SAFE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
11:39:25AM SO I THINK MR. CARLSON IS RIGHT IN ONE ASPECT.
11:39:28AM WHEN YOU BRING A PROJECT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE ANALYSIS,
11:39:32AM BUT YOU GOT TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOME ANALYSIS TO THE TABLE
11:39:36AM TO SAY HERE ARE THOSE STEPS FOR THE $220 MILLION AND THE
11:39:41AM PERIOD OF TIME IT WILL TAKE OR HOW WE PAY OURSELVES BACK FOR
11:39:43AM THAT MONEY.
11:39:45AM I'M HOPING THAT SOONER VERSUS THAN LATER THAT WE CAN HAVE
11:39:50AM THOSE STUFF.
11:39:51AM I KNOW THE INCINERATOR IS A BIG, BIG DEAL WHEN YOU'RE
11:39:54AM TALKING ABOUT GARBAGE.

11:39:55AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
11:39:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT REALLY CAN TAKE A CITY UNDER WHEN YOU
11:39:59AM HAVE GARBAGE SITTING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND HEALTH
11:40:02AM CONDITIONS.
11:40:03AM I'M HOPING IF YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL OUTLINE, SCHEMATIC OF WHAT
11:40:09AM IT'S REALLY GOING TO COST US, WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THE
11:40:12AM CITIZENS, YOU NEVER GAUGE EXACTLY WHAT IT COST BUT AN
11:40:16AM OUTLINER THAT THEY ARE PREPARED AND CITIZENS HAVE OUTREACH
11:40:19AM TO HAVE THEIR CONCERNS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND, DO WE NEED THIS
11:40:22AM OR ARE THERE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO HELP CUT THAT COST DOWN?
11:40:25AM IS THAT FAIR?
11:40:26AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: FAIR, AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.
11:40:29AM AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL TASK OUR RATE
11:40:31AM CONSULTANT WITH.
11:40:32AM LOOK AT ALL OF OUR NEEDS, WHETHER IT IS DEBT SERVICE FUNDED,
11:40:36AM WHETHER COUNCIL CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE AN INCINERATOR ANYMORE,
11:40:40AM FOR INSTANCE.
11:40:41AM I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING BUT THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL
11:40:43AM DISCRETION.
11:40:44AM LOOK AT ALL THE ITERATIONS, ALL OF THE SCENARIOS AND WHAT
11:40:47AM WOULD IT TAKE TO FUND IT, FUND IT NOT ONLY REACTIVELY FOR
11:40:51AM THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, BUT
11:40:53AM FURTHER TO YOUR POINT, PROACTIVELY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
11:40:56AM NECESSARY MAINTENANCE IS FUNDED IN PERPETUITY REALLY AND
11:41:00AM THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR SCOPE.

11:41:03AM AND THEN WE'LL BRING THOSE RESULTS TO COUNCIL.
11:41:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:41:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:41:10AM ALONG THE SAME LINES AS COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, WHEN YOU BUILD
11:41:16AM SOMETHING YOU KNOW FOR HOW LONG IT WOULD LAST, I WOULD
11:41:19AM ASSUME.
11:41:21AM I THINK THE COMPARISON OUGHT TO BE MADE, IF YOU DON'T DO
11:41:23AM ANYTHING, WHAT'S THE COST YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN
11:41:26AM WHAT YOU HAVE?
11:41:27AM AND WHAT ARE THE RISKS INVOLVED IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING?
11:41:32AM LET'S GO BACK TO THE CAR.
11:41:35AM I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WHEN I BUY A NEW CAR I DO THIS AND
11:41:38AM THAT BECAUSE I NEVER BOUGHT A NEW CAR.
11:41:42AM CAN'T AFFORD DEPRECIATION TAKING IT OUT LOSING EIGHT OR TEN
11:41:46AM THOUSAND DOLLARS.
11:41:46AM THAT'S NOT THE WAY I WAS BROUGHT UP.
11:41:52AM AUTO INDUSTRY.
11:41:53AM WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHEN YOU HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE, WHY DO YOU
11:41:58AM BUY ONE?
11:41:59AM BECAUSE REALLY YOU -- IT AIN'T ABOUT THE MODEL, SHINE,
11:42:03AM GREASE, ALL THAT KIND OF FLAIR THEY PUT.
11:42:06AM NOW YOU CAN GO TO A CAR, 0 TO 60 IN 1.9 SECONDS.
11:42:11AM THE PROBLEM I ASK MYSELF, WHO IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A
11:42:14AM TICKET?
11:42:15AM THOSE ARE FALSE ADVERTISING THAT THEY ARE GIVING YOU, OH,

11:42:18AM THIS CAR IS REALLY FAST?
11:42:20AM WHERE ARE YOU GOING, THE SPEEDWAY?
11:42:22AM WE'RE ALREADY HAVING A PROBLEM.
11:42:24AM LET'S FACE IT, REALITY IS REALITY.
11:42:25AM YOU BUY A CAR BECAUSE THE VEHICLE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF
11:42:29AM YOU IS COSTING YOU X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, IF YOU FIGURE OUT
11:42:34AM FOR A YEAR OR TWO, YOU COULD ALMOST PAY OFF WHAT YOU'RE
11:42:37AM BUYING.
11:42:39AM EVEN HAVE AIR CONDITIONING WORKING VERY WELL.
11:42:41AM THE ONE YOU HAVE DOESN'T WORK TOO VERY WELL.
11:42:44AM YOU KICK THE TIRES AND THE REAR BUMPER FALLS OFF.
11:42:47AM THOSE ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE FACING, BUT IN A LARGER
11:42:52AM SCALE OF ECONOMY, CALL IT WHAT WE HAVE.
11:42:57AM I THINK IN TRANSPARENCY, TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT IS IT GOING TO
11:43:03AM COST NOT TO CHANGE.
11:43:05AM IF YOU WANT TO COST WHAT IT CHANGES, TELL THEM WHAT IT COSTS
11:43:09AM NOT TO CHANGE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THINGS CHANGE.
11:43:13AM NO ONE FOLLOWS MY MODEL, THANK GOD THEY DO, I DON'T SMOKE, I
11:43:21AM DON'T DRINK.
11:43:22AM DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE THAT SMOKE AND DRINK.
11:43:26AM MY WIFE NEVER SMOKED AND NEVER DRANK AND SHE DIED OF LUNG
11:43:30AM CANCER.
11:43:31AM FIGURE THAT OUT.
11:43:32AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:43:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

11:43:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ECHO THAT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN
11:43:42AM YOU PUT THE INCINERATOR, WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF A
11:43:51AM CONTRACTOR, YOU'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE SAME LEVEL OF
11:43:55AM ATTENTION AND DETAIL AS WHEN YOU PULL IT BACK TO THE CITY.
11:43:58AM I DO WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR PULLING THAT BACK.
11:44:02AM I THINK THAT WAS WISE.
11:44:03AM I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE TO
11:44:06AM DEAL WITH.
11:44:09AM BUT THE OTHER THING -- AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING AN
11:44:13AM ACTUAL PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS.
11:44:14AM I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
11:44:16AM VISUALS WOULD BE LOVELY BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE VISUAL,
11:44:20AM ESPECIALLY THE PUBLIC.
11:44:22AM IT ALLOWS THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE BREAKDOWN OF THIS.
11:44:26AM BUT TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT, TO ALSO DISCUSS, TO SHOW
11:44:32AM US VERY CLEARLY WHAT INACTION MEANS.
11:44:36AM AND THE OTHER THING THAT NO ONE HERE HAS MENTIONED, WHEN
11:44:40AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LARGER PLAN, THE 17 MILLION I'M
11:44:44AM ABSOLUTELY INCLINED TO SUPPORT, NO PROBLEM.
11:44:46AM WE NEED TO GET THAT STARTED, BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
11:44:50AM OVERALL PLAN TO MOVE THE SOLID WASTE AND FLEET MAINTENANCE
11:44:56AM FACILITIES OUT OF SPRUCE STREET AREA IS THE BOON TO THAT
11:45:01AM NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DEALT WITH FOR
11:45:03AM SO MANY YEARS AND HOW MUCH THEY WANT THAT SPACE BACK.
11:45:09AM AND WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO WITH THAT AMOUNT OF LAND IN THAT

11:45:12AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:45:12AM SO I REALLY WANT US TO THINK ABOUT THE LARGER PICTURE OF
11:45:16AM THAT, TOO.
11:45:18AM YES, WE ARE DOING THIS, BUT WE ARE ALSO HELPING A
11:45:21AM NEIGHBORHOOD JUST -- I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE CHANGES
11:45:25AM THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE BECAUSE THEY DON'T
11:45:27AM HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOLID WASTE VEHICLES AND OTHER LARGE FLEET
11:45:31AM MAINTENANCE VEHICLES THERE.
11:45:33AM SO LET'S BRING THAT PART INTO THAT PRESENTATION AS WELL
11:45:38AM BECAUSE THAT'S THE UNTOLD PART.
11:45:41AM OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
11:45:43AM THAT'S OUR JOB.
11:45:44AM BUT WE WANT TO SHARE THOSE NUMBERS WITH THE PUBLIC.
11:45:46AM BUT I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF LAND AND THE
11:45:50AM POSSIBILITIES FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD GOING FORWARD.
11:45:54AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
11:45:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:45:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL BE REAL QUICK.
11:46:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: BASED ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST SAID,
11:46:13AM I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE YOU ALL, BEFORE ANY KIND OF RATE
11:46:15AM INCREASE, ESPECIALLY I THINK YOU OUGHT TO COME BACK FOR A
11:46:18AM WORKSHOP DISCUSSION OR SOME LONGER CONVERSATION, A DAY LIKE
11:46:20AM TODAY, WE HAVE 125 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND THIS SHOULD TAKE

11:46:24AM TWO OR THREE HOURS TO DISCUSS.
11:46:25AM THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
11:46:26AM I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THE ADMINISTRATION ON ANY OF THESE
11:46:30AM MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, PLEASE COME TO US PROACTIVELY AND
11:46:34AM JUST HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHERE THESE THINGS STAND AND
11:46:37AM EDUCATE US AND THE PUBLIC.
11:46:39AM YOU COULD HAVE SENT US A HUNDRED E-MAILS ABOUT THIS, BUT IF
11:46:41AM THE PUBLIC IS NOT READING OUR E-MAILS, THEY DON'T KNOW
11:46:44AM ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
11:46:45AM THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
11:46:48AM WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLESOME DISCUSSION ON IT.
11:46:51AM BASED ON EVERYTHING I KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE
11:46:53AM INCINERATOR AND I VOTED FOR IT TO CONVERT TO THE CITY.
11:46:56AM BUT WHAT WE'RE REALIZING NOW IS THAT WE'RE MISSING A WHOLE
11:46:59AM BUNCH OF INFORMATION.
11:47:01AM IT WORRIES ME BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TO PURE, WHICH ORIGINALLY
11:47:03AM WAS 300 MILLION AND THEN IT TURNS OUT IT'S BETWEEN 2 AND 6
11:47:05AM BILLION.
11:47:06AM AND THEN HANNA AVENUE, WHICH STARTED OUT AS TWO BUILDINGS
11:47:09AM FOR A HUNDRED MILLION, THEN IT WAS ONE BUILDING FOR
11:47:12AM 108 MILLION THAT ACTUALLY IS MAYBE 220 MILLION, IF YOU
11:47:16AM INCLUDE INTEREST AND O AND M.
11:47:18AM I THINK WE SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND BEING GIVEN
11:47:25AM THE FULL INFORMATION.
11:47:26AM IF YOU ALL AREN'T GENERATING THAT INFORMATION, SHAME ON YOU

11:47:28AM FOR NOT DOING IT.
11:47:30AM YOU NEED TO PRESENT IT TO US AS IF WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
11:47:33AM NO MATTER WHAT YOU BRIEFED US IN PRIVATE, THE PUBLIC
11:47:36AM DESERVES TO KNOW IT.
11:47:37AM THE REASON WHY I GOT UPSET AND ANGRY IN THE BEGINNING AND ON
11:47:40AM THE PHONE CALL THE OTHER DAY IS I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES
11:47:42AM TO KNOW.
11:47:43AM AND THIS PRESENTATION IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:47:46AM MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE WERE
11:47:48AM GOING TO HAVE THIS EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
11:47:50AM PEOPLE WERE SHOCKED TO SEE AN ITEM THAT WAS 220 MILLION.
11:47:53AM AND ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS LEADING TO A RATE INCREASE,
11:47:57AM WHATEVER THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT IS, WE NEED TO DO DOUBLE OR
11:47:59AM TRIPLE OF THAT TO INFORM THE PUBLIC.
11:48:02AM WE NEED TO REALLY LET THEM KNOW WHEN WE WORKED ON THE PIPES
11:48:05AM INCREASE, THERE WERE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT
11:48:07AM MAYBE 20 OR 30 PEOPLE ATTENDED BESIDES STAFF.
11:48:10AM I ATTENDED MORE THAN HALF OF THEM.
11:48:12AM AND THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY GOT THEIR BILLS WERE UPSET BECAUSE
11:48:15AM THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE BILL WAS GOING UP.
11:48:17AM WE NEED TO OVERCOMMUNICATE THIS AND EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS.
11:48:20AM THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T LIKE THE EXPECTATION THAT CITY
11:48:24AM COUNCIL IS A RUBBER STAMP AND THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO
11:48:26AM APPROVE EVERYTHING, AND THAT A 15-MINUTE OR HOUR-LONG
11:48:30AM CONVERSATION IS ENOUGH TO GET US TO APPROVE A RATE INCREASE

11:48:32AM OR $220 MILLION.
11:48:35AM A RATE INCREASE IN A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING
11:48:37AM KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT IS A
11:48:39AM BIG DEAL.
11:48:40AM THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY I OBJECT TO PURE ALSO.
11:48:43AM WHY WOULD YOU DOUBLE SOMEBODY'S WATER RATES FOR SOMETHING
11:48:45AM THAT WE DON'T NEED?
11:48:46AM IN THIS CASE IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO NEED IT, BUT WE JUST NEED
11:48:49AM TO BE THOROUGH IN HOW EXPLAINING IT TO US AND PRETEND LIKE
11:48:54AM WE'RE IN KINDERGARTEN AND SHOW US PICTURES, DIAGRAMS, VIDEOS
11:48:56AM IF YOU HAVE IT.
11:48:57AM SHOW US ALL THE DETAIL YOU CAN ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC
11:49:00AM DESERVES TO KNOW ALL OF THAT.
11:49:02AM JUST A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS.
11:49:04AM ON ALL THESE CONSULTANTS YOU MENTIONED, SORRY I HAVE TO ASK
11:49:07AM THIS, BUT WAS THERE AN RFP PROCESS AND WERE THERE MULTIPLE
11:49:12AM BIDDERS ON THOSE CONTRACTS?
11:49:14AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR IN THE PROCESS.
11:49:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: ON THE PLANNING AND EVALUATION STAGE,
11:49:19AM SEVERAL CONSULTANTS WERE MENTIONED.
11:49:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: PLANNING AND EVALUATION -- OH, I'M SORRY.
11:49:25AM I THINK THAT WAS MR. CONKLIN.
11:49:27AM I APOLOGIZE.
11:49:29AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: THE ORIGINAL RFP WAS PUT OUT FOR THE
11:49:35AM DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT.

11:49:37AM WE HAD THREE RESPONDENTS.
11:49:39AM ONLY TWO OF WHICH SHOWED UP FOR THE PRESENTATION.
11:49:43AM THE OVERALL BEST BIDDER FROM AN EBO STANDPOINT, FROM
11:49:50AM EVERYTHING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS CHARLES PERRY AND
11:49:56AM PARTNERS, INCORPORATED.
11:49:57AM SO THEY WON THIS BID.
11:49:59AM NOW, IT IS A GMP PROJECT.
11:50:06AM SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR
11:50:10AM DESIGN-BUILD.
11:50:11AM THEY GO OUT AND DESIGN THE RETROFIT OF THE PLAN, DESIGN THE
11:50:21AM COMPONENTS.
11:50:21AM THEY GO OUT AND BID WHAT IT WILL COST.
11:50:27AM THEY TAKE THE BIDS AND THEY COMPILE THEM AND GIVE US THE
11:50:31AM PRICING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
11:50:33AM THAT'S WHERE THE 17 MILLION CAME FROM.
11:50:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD APPRECIATE AND IF WE HAD TIME I
11:50:39AM WOULD ASK YOU A LOT MORE QUESTIONS.
11:50:40AM I WOULD APPRECIATE TRANSPARENCY AND ALL THAT FROM THE
11:50:44AM ADMINISTRATION.
11:50:45AM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT GAVE US AN OPINION ON THE CCNA PROCESS
11:50:48AM FOR HANNA AVENUE.
11:50:49AM I HAD SEVERAL OTHER ATTORNEYS OUTSIDE LOOK AT IT AND THEY
11:50:51AM THINK IT'S BUNK.
11:50:53AM JUST BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SQUEAK THROUGH THAT
11:50:55AM SOMETHING IS LEGAL DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WOULD WITHSTAND

11:50:59AM OUTSIDE SCRUTINY IN A LAWSUIT.
11:51:00AM WE NEED TO BE NOT JUST CAREFUL ABOUT THAT TO AVOID
11:51:07AM LITIGATION, BUT WE NEED TO BE FAIR TO THE PUBLIC TO MAKE
11:51:09AM SURE THAT THINGS ARE WELL ADVERTISED AND THAT WE GET
11:51:13AM MULTIPLE BIDS.
11:51:18AM MR. ROGERO, COULD I ASK YOU ALSO, WHEN THE CITY DECIDED TO
11:51:19AM MAKE THE DECISION TO TAKE OVER THIS PLANT, DID YOU DO A
11:51:21AM 20- OR 30-YEAR ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE COST WOULD BE?
11:51:25AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T RECALL.
11:51:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: DID SOMEBODY DO AN EVALUATION TO SAY THE
11:51:28AM BOILER WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED IN FIVE YEARS?
11:51:30AM IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.
11:51:32AM YOU SAY THAT IT'S -- BEEN EIGHT YEARS SINCE IT'S BEEN
11:51:36AM MODIFIED.
11:51:36AM SO WE OWNED IT TWO OF THOSE YEARS.
11:51:38AM HOW COME -- IF WE DID A PREVAILING, WHY DIDN'T WE PROPOSE
11:51:43AM THIS TWO YEARS AGO?
11:51:44AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK ON THAT.
11:51:47AM MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
11:51:48AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE
11:51:51AM NOT PREPARED TO -- WE KNEW THE TURBINE GENERATOR HAD TO BE
11:51:59AM OVERHAULED, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE PRICING.
11:52:02AM WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY MUCH TO GO ON.
11:52:07AM THESE PROJECTS BY CITY POLICY HAVE TO GO THROUGH CAD --
11:52:15AM CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.

11:52:16AM AND THEY KIND OF TAKE THAT OVER BY ENTERING INTO AN
11:52:23AM AGREEMENT WITH CHARLES PERRY.
11:52:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: BEFORE THEY CUT ME OFF, LET ME ASK YOU.
11:52:27AM MR. ROGERO, DO YOU KNOW -- WHEN WE WERE FIRST TOLD ABOUT
11:52:31AM PURE, IT WAS $300 MILLION, BUT WHEN WE ASKED FOR THE 20- OR
11:52:35AM 30-YEAR COST, IT WAS BETWEEN 2 AND 6 BILLION -- INCLUDING O
11:52:39AM AND M AND INTEREST.
11:52:41AM IT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THIS, BUT JUST SO THE PUBLIC
11:52:44AM KNOWS, WHAT IS THE 20 OR 30-YEAR COST INCLUDING INTEREST AND
11:52:48AM O AND M ON THIS ENTIRE PLANT?
11:52:51AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE HAVE TO SCALE THAT OUT STILL.
11:52:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN WE TOOK IT OVER, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT
11:52:56AM THAT NUMBER WOULD BE.
11:52:57AM WE MUST HAVE DONE SOME FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS ON IF WE HAD 10
11:53:01AM MILLION IN REVENUES.
11:53:01AM I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE OUR REVENUES,
11:53:03AM CORRECT?
11:53:04AM WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT THE SAME CAPACITY IN ELECTRICITY, BUT
11:53:07AM WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE PLANT, NOBODY DID A PROJECTION TO
11:53:10AM FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TOTAL 20 OR 30-YEAR COST ON THIS WOULD
11:53:12AM BE?
11:53:13AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T KNOW.
11:53:14AM I'D HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
11:53:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT?
11:53:19AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I PREFER TO CIRCLE BACK, SIR.

11:53:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD TAKE OVER A PLANT
11:53:23AM LIKE THAT IF WE HADN'T DONE AN EVALUATION ON WHAT IT WOULD
11:53:26AM COST OVER 20 OR 30 YEARS.
11:53:28AM THAT'S PROJECT MANAGEMENT 101.
11:53:30AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'M NOT SAYING WE DIDN'T.
11:53:32AM I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW.
11:53:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO IS WATCHING, PLEASE
11:53:36AM COME UP AND LET US KNOW.
11:53:38AM MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. CONKLIN, BUT HE SAID WE
11:53:41AM WANT TO HAVE SUCCESS IN FIVE OR TEN YEARS, HOW WOULD WE
11:53:45AM MEASURE SUCCESS?
11:53:48AM I KNOW CHIEF OF STAFF IS ALL INTO MEASURES, WHICH I AGREE
11:53:51AM WITH.
11:53:51AM WHAT ARE THE CITY'S MEASURE OF SUCCESS?
11:53:54AM IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT SHOULD THE MEASURES OF SUCCESS BE?
11:53:58AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: THAT WOULD COME FROM OPERATIONAL STATS AND
11:54:01AM AVOIDED COST FOR THE MOST PART.
11:54:03AM WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THIS PLANT, THIS FACILITY BACK UP TO
11:54:08AM INDUSTRY STANDARDS WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND INCREASE ITS
11:54:12AM AVAILABILITY SO IT'S NOT BEING FORCED DOWN FOR PROBLEMS
11:54:17AM WITHIN THE PLANT.
11:54:18AM NOW, WITH OUR PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN
11:54:24AM ELECTRICAL REVENUE THROUGH INCREASES IN ELECTRICAL
11:54:28AM PRODUCTION.
11:54:29AM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE HUGE, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO GET

11:54:31AM THAT TURBINE GENERATOR BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
11:54:35AM COULD BE 3%, 4%.
11:54:39AM HIGHER INCREASE IN EFFICIENCY ON THE TURBINE.
11:54:44AM THE BOILERS, FOR INSTANCE, THE TUBES, SOME OF THE TUBES --
11:54:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: BACK TO MY QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF
11:54:50AM GOALS TO SAY OUR OBJECTIVES FOR THIS ARE ONE, TWO, THREE,
11:54:54AM FOUR AND FIVE?
11:54:56AM HERE ARE OUR GOALS FOR THIS.
11:54:59AM AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE SAFETY GOAL.
11:55:02AM ANOTHER WOULD BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL GOAL.
11:55:03AM ANOTHER ONE MIGHT BE AN ENERGY PRODUCTION GOAL.
11:55:07AM ANOTHER MIGHT BE A TIME IN AND OUT GOAL FOR THE TRUCKS.
11:55:12AM DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A PERFORMANCE METRIC LIKE THAT?
11:55:16AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: I DO.
11:55:17AM I HAVE ONE THAT SHOWS RELIABILITY OF THE FACILITY, OF THE
11:55:22AM BOILERS, INDEPENDENTLY EACH ONE AND OVERALL.
11:55:25AM AND I ALSO HAVE AVAILABILITY.
11:55:27AM AVAILABILITY IS OUT OF THE AVAILABLE TIME, HOW MUCH TIME
11:55:33AM WERE THE BOILERS UP AND RUNNING, BURNING REFUSE, PRODUCING
11:55:38AM STEAM.
11:55:38AM RELIABILITY ON THE OTHER HAND OUT OF ALL THE DOWNTIME ON THE
11:55:42AM UNIT, HOW MUCH OF IT WAS FORCED COMPARED TO HOW MUCH WAS
11:55:47AM SCHEDULED.
11:55:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS WATCHING, I WOULD
11:55:50AM SUGGEST THAT WE GET A LIST OF VERY CLEAR GOALS FROM THE

11:55:53AM COMMUNITY POINT OF VIEW AND POLICY POINT OF VIEW THAT ARE
11:55:55AM KIND OF THE OVERRIDING GOALS FOR THIS FACILITY.
11:55:58AM BECAUSE THERE IS A POLICY REASON WE'RE DOING IT.
11:56:00AM THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PERFORMANCE METRICS AND SOMEHOW WE NEED
11:56:03AM TO BRING THOSE UP TO THE TOP LEVEL.
11:56:05AM BUT IF WE HAVE THOSE AND WE CAN SEE THEM, THE PUBLIC CAN SEE
11:56:07AM THEM, THEN WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT INVESTMENTS
11:56:10AM FOR THE FUTURE AND WE WOULD KNOW HOW TO MEASURE THEM.
11:56:12AM MY LAST QUESTION IS, TO MR. ROGERO, YOU MUST HAVE AN IDEA
11:56:16AM RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE WHAT YOU THINK THE
11:56:19AM RATE INCREASE WILL BE.
11:56:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE DO NOT.
11:56:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO IDEA.
11:56:23AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
11:56:27AM ANYTHING I PUT OUT THERE WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH WITHOUT VALUE.
11:56:29AM THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO GO --
11:56:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN ARE THOSE HEARINGS?
11:56:33AM CAN YOU TELL US WHEN YOU HAVE HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR RATE
11:56:36AM INCREASE?
11:56:37AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE DO NOT.
11:56:38AM WE'VE GOT TO GET THE VENDOR.
11:56:40AM WE'RE STUDYING A SCOPE NOW.
11:56:43AM IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE UNTIL PROBABLY JUNE OF
11:56:47AM NEXT YEAR.
11:56:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: LAST COMMENT, I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE

11:56:51AM PEOPLE WORKING IN THIS DEPARTMENT.
11:56:54AM WHAT YOU ALL DO IS A MIRACLE.
11:56:56AM I WAS TELLING THE STAFF THE OTHER DAY, BEING ABLE TO PUT OUR
11:56:59AM BOXES OUT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND HAVE THAT STUFF TAKEN
11:57:03AM AWAY SO EFFICIENTLY, IT'S GOT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST RUN
11:57:06AM SANITATION DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY.
11:57:08AM AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE HARD WORK THEY ARE
11:57:10AM DOING.
11:57:11AM MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT MAKING SURE WE MAKE THE RIGHT
11:57:14AM DECISIONS AND THE PUBLIC HAS FULL TRANSPARENCY.
11:57:16AM THANK YOU.
11:57:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:57:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S ALL BEEN ASKED, THANK YOU.
11:57:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: RAPID FIRE, PLEASE GENTLEMEN.
11:57:24AM IF YOU DON'T MIND, I HAVE MY LIST OF QUESTIONS.
11:57:26AM RATHER QUICKLY.
11:57:27AM LET ME GO TO MR. CONKLIN.
11:57:30AM WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS, WE ALREADY HAVE SCRUBBERS
11:57:34AM THAT CLEAN THE SMOKE COMING OUT OF THIS.
11:57:39AM TAKES AWAY CARCINOGENS, TAKES AWAY THINGS WITH THE
11:57:42AM IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS.
11:57:44AM IS THIS TURBINE AND THESE THINGS GOING TO RUN MUCH MORE
11:57:46AM EFFICIENTLY SO WE ACTUALLY EVEN CUT DOWN THE POLLUTION THAT
11:57:50AM THIS INCINERATOR MAY CAUSE?
11:57:56AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: YES.

11:57:58AM HOWEVER, WE ARE ALREADY RUNNING VERY LOW, IF I MAY.
11:58:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M LOOKING -- ALL I'M LOOKING FOR IS QUICK
11:58:05AM ANSWERS ON THIS.
11:58:06AM PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
11:58:07AM PUT THAT BACK UP.
11:58:11AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: THIS SHOWS WE HAVE CONTINUOUS EMISSIONS
11:58:15AM MONITORING ON THE PLANT THAT RUN 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A
11:58:18AM WEEK.
11:58:19AM AND THIS SHOWS THE RESULTS OF THE MONTH OF JULY COMPARED TO
11:58:24AM THE LIMITS.
11:58:25AM IF YOU LOOK WHERE IT SAYS OPACITY, OUR LIMIT IS 10%.
11:58:29AM BUT THEN YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE MONTH/YEAR COLUMNS, YOU CAN
11:58:34AM SEE UNIT 1.
11:58:38AM UNIT 2, UNIT 3, UNIT 4.
11:58:41AM NOW, OPACITY, YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 8% WITH YOUR NAKED EYE.
11:58:46AM WE ARE BELOW 1%.
11:58:48AM OUR LIMIT IS 10% FOR --
11:58:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE'RE DOING GREAT.
11:58:52AM MY POINT IS WITH THIS IMPROVEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE EVEN
11:58:55AM BETTER THAN WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE NOW.
11:58:58AM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: WE BELIEVE THAT OUR EMISSIONS WILL BE
11:59:01AM BETTER THROUGH AN INCREASE IN COMBUSTION EFFICIENCY.
11:59:05AM IF YOU'RE BURNING CLEANER, YOU'RE BURNING BETTER, YOU'RE
11:59:08AM GOING TO HAVE REDUCED EMISSIONS.
11:59:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HELPING THE ENVIRONMENT.

11:59:10AM MR. WASHINGTON, CATASTROPHE HITS.
11:59:15AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, SIR.
11:59:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST GIVE ME SOME WIDE RANGES.
11:59:22AM THE COST THAT IT WOULD COST US TO SHIP ALL THIS RUBBISH AND
11:59:26AM ALL THIS TRASH UP TO DADE CITY, IF DADE CITY STILL WANTS TO
11:59:30AM TAKE IT.
11:59:31AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: EXACTLY.
11:59:32AM GREAT POINT.
11:59:33AM I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT AS WELL.
11:59:35AM THE LIFE OF A LAND FILL IS LIMITED.
11:59:38AM YOU CAN'T JUST CONTINUOUSLY PUMP WASTE INTO THE LAND FILLS.
11:59:42AM ON AVERAGE, WE TAKE AROUND 40,000 POUNDS OF WASTE TO DADE
11:59:46AM CITY.
11:59:47AM NOW, IMAGINE 356,000 POUNDS TO DADE CITY.
11:59:53AM TONS.
11:59:53AM EXCUSE ME, TONS.
11:59:54AM EXACTLY, TONS.
11:59:55AM IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, POTENTIALLY THEY HAVE A LIFE SPAN OF
11:59:58AM I BELIEVE FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S ALL
12:00:01PM DEPENDENT ON THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND HOW MUCH THEY ARE
12:00:03PM BRINGING TO THAT LOCATION.
12:00:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DADE CITY LOOKS AT US, SAYS, TAMPA, WE DON'T
12:00:11PM WANT YOUR GARBAGE.
12:00:12PM YOU ARE POLLUTING OUR GROUND.
12:00:14PM WE DON'T WANT YOUR GARAGE.

12:00:15PM NEXT CLOSEST PLACE?
12:00:16PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE CAN ASK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
12:00:18PM THEY ARE AT CAPACITY AS WELL, OR PASCO OR PINELLAS.
12:00:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE'LL JUST BE POLLUTING THEIR AREA.
12:00:23PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: TRYING TO UTILIZE THEIR FACILITIES.
12:00:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY.
12:00:26PM I'M TRYING TO HIT YOU ON THIS.
12:00:30PM EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NATURAL GAS TRUCKS, HOPEFULLY ONE DAY
12:00:33PM WE'LL GO TO ELECTRIC WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, WE'RE PUTTING
12:00:36PM FOSSIL FUEL INTO THE AIR EACH TIME THOSE TRUCKS RUN BACK AND
12:00:41PM FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.
12:00:42PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YOU SURE ARE.
12:00:43PM THE C AND G STATIONS WE CURRENTLY HAVE, OUR CURRENT OUTFIT,
12:00:47PM SO IF WE WERE GOING OUT TO PINELLAS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS,
12:00:50PM WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FILL UP OUR C AND G VEHICLES.
12:00:53PM MAY HAVE TO SWITCH TO DIESEL VEHICLES FOR THIS OPERATION.
12:00:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS PLANT CLOSES DOWN, HOW MUCH STAFFING
12:01:00PM WILL BE LOST?
12:01:00PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: LOST OR INCLUDED?
12:01:03PM WE HAVE TO PLUS UP TO HAUL THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT IS
12:01:06PM PRODUCED.
12:01:06PM THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LOCATED --
12:01:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: STAFF FROM THE ATLANTA --
12:01:10PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: 55 PEOPLE.
12:01:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: -- STORED IN THE REST OF WASTE MANAGEMENT.

12:01:15PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE WOULD HOPE.
12:01:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOT GUARANTEED.
12:01:17PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: NO, NO, SIR.
12:01:21PM >>CHUCK CONKLIN: THE PLANT EMPLOYS 55 PEOPLE, SO WE WOULD
12:01:25PM LOSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM.
12:01:27PM THE SKILL SET IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
12:01:31PM IT'S HIGHLY TECHNICAL AT THE PLANT.
12:01:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. RUGGIERO.
12:01:37PM WE'VE HEARD LOTS OF NUMBERS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
12:01:41PM THE BROADER PICTURE IS THIS IS GOING TO HELP US
12:01:44PM ENVIRONMENTALLY.
12:01:44PM THIS IS GOING TO HELP FROM POLLUTING OTHER PARTS OF THE
12:01:47PM STATE WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO DO, AND WE'RE GUARANTEEING --
12:01:53PM HOPEFULLY GUARANTEEING JOBS WILL BE SAVED IN CASE SOMETHING
12:01:56PM TERRIBLE HAPPENS.
12:01:58PM >>SAL RUGGIERO: YES, SIR.
12:02:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:02:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAY I MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
12:02:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:02:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.
12:02:12PM I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK IN FRONT OF
12:02:16PM THE PUBLIC, WE ARE GROWING AT AN ALARMING RATE.
12:02:20PM IT'S A GOOD RATE, BUT IT'S STILL PRETTY ALARMING AND DOESN'T
12:02:24PM SOUND LIKE WE'RE ADDING ANY INCINERATORS.
12:02:28PM SO WHAT'S THE PLAN ABOUT MORE GARBAGE?

12:02:31PM >>SAL RUGGIERO: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
12:02:33PM LET ME BRING CHUCK UP.
12:02:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
12:02:35PM I DON'T WANT TO KNOW NOW.
12:02:36PM >>SAL RUGGIERO: WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
12:02:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
12:02:39PM WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US, PLEASE LET US KNOW BECAUSE THE
12:02:43PM AMOUNT OF GARBAGE THAT WE PRODUCE HAS GOT TO CHANGE IF WE'RE
12:02:47PM GOING TO BRING ALL THESE NEW PEOPLE.
12:02:49PM >>SAL RUGGIERO: THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
12:02:50PM YES, MA'AM.
12:02:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY CLOSE.
12:02:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:02:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE MORE I SIT HERE AND THE MORE I
12:02:59PM LISTEN, THE MORE I WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE I REMEMBER WAY BACK
12:03:03PM WHEN ALL THE ALLEYS WERE OPEN, YOU HAD A VAN THAT WENT BY, A
12:03:07PM TRUCK THAT WAS OPEN.
12:03:08PM MAYBE HAD A THREE FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT BY 16 OR 20-FOOT AND
12:03:13PM YOU HAD A DRIVER, YOU HAD TWO PUSHERS AND YOU HAD A CATCHER.
12:03:18PM YOU HAD FOUR PEOPLE ON THE TRUCK.
12:03:19PM IT WAS AN OPEN TRUCK.
12:03:22PM GUESS WHAT, SMELLS.
12:03:28PM THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
12:03:29PM NOW THROUGH EVOLUTION AND NEW INVENTION, DIFFERENT THINGS.
12:03:34PM NOW GAS TRUCKS.

12:03:36PM THOSE COST IN MY ESTIMATION THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILLION
12:03:41PM DOLLARS.
12:03:41PM WHAT IS COMING TO YOU NOW IS A MILLION DOLLARS TRUCK BECAUSE
12:03:44PM IT'S ELECTRIC.
12:03:45PM EVEN IN GERMANY NOW, YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAINS THEY GOT
12:03:48PM RUNNING, WITH HYDROGEN.
12:03:51PM SO THESE ARE THINGS OF EVOLUTION THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT
12:03:54PM BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THEIR GOING TO CHANGE.
12:03:58PM IF WE KEEP GOING WHERE WE'RE GOING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY
12:04:00PM ABOUT THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
12:04:02PM YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SLEEP, WALK, HANDLE THE RAIN.
12:04:05PM YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE TEMPERATURE.
12:04:07PM YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE NOTHING.
12:04:09PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:04:10PM HAVE A NICE DAY.
12:04:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE NUMBER 5, THE RESOLUTION.
12:04:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:04:19PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:04:20PM ANY DISCUSSION?
12:04:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD I'M
12:04:26PM SHOCKED AT THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD TODAY AND THE ONE I HAD
12:04:29PM ON THE PHONE THE OTHER DAY.
12:04:30PM I'M SHOCKED THAT THE STAFF AND I'M TALKING ABOUT UPPER
12:04:33PM MANAGEMENT STAFF, SHOCKED THE LACK OF INTEREST IN BEING

12:04:36PM TRANSPARENT AND SPENDING TIME WITH THE PUBLIC TO DISCUSS THE
12:04:39PM ISSUES.
12:04:39PM I'M SHOCKED THEY HIT US WITH LARGE NUMBERS AT THE LAST
12:04:42PM MINUTE.
12:04:42PM I'M SHOCKED THAT THEY CAN'T ANSWER BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
12:04:45PM STRATEGY AND TAKEOVER OF THIS FACILITY.
12:04:47PM THE QUESTIONS I ASKED ARE THE MOST BASIC QUESTIONS YOU WOULD
12:04:51PM ASK ANYBODY OPERATING A MAJOR FACILITY AND THEY COULDN'T
12:04:54PM ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
12:04:55PM AND SO THERE'S NO WAY I'M GOING TO VOTE TO GIVE THEM A
12:05:00PM DOLLAR BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE FAITH IN THEIR INTEREST IN BEING
12:05:03PM RESPECTFUL OF US AND THE PUBLIC AND I DON'T HAVE FAITH IN
12:05:05PM THEIR ABILITY TO MANAGE THE MONEY CORRECTLY.
12:05:07PM IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK, YOU PROBABLY WILL GET THE VOTES
12:05:10PM TODAY, BUT IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND BE TRANSPARENT AND
12:05:12PM RESPECTFUL OF THE PUBLIC, THEN I MAY BUILD CONFIDENCE.
12:05:15PM BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS BEFORE I
12:05:17PM VOTE ON ANYTHING LARGE LIKE THIS.
12:05:19PM THANK YOU.
12:05:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:05:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT TODAY BECAUSE I
12:05:25PM KNOW YOU NEED MORE.
12:05:27PM I DON'T WANT TO BASH THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT I SIT HERE AND
12:05:33PM LISTEN, LIKE I TELL YOU, EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL HAS A
12:05:36PM CERTAIN EXPERTISE OF THINGS.

12:05:38PM OBVIOUSLY, MR. MIRANDA KNOWS WATER.
12:05:39PM MR. CARLSON KNOWS WATER.
12:05:41PM I'M NOT THE WATER GUY.
12:05:42PM I DEAL WITH COMMUNITIES AND HOUSING.
12:05:44PM THINGS LIKE THAT.
12:05:45PM NOT A SOLID WASTE GUY, BUT I HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
12:05:47PM GARBAGE.
12:05:48PM I KNOW YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PLANT TO MAKE IT WORK
12:05:50PM FOR THE CITIZENS.
12:05:51PM BUT HE'S RIGHT.
12:05:53PM SOME BASIC QUESTIONS HE DID ASK AND WHEN I TALKED ABOUT FOR
12:05:56PM MAINTENANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT, COULDN'T HAVE THE ANSWERS
12:05:59PM FOR.
12:05:59PM I THINK WHEN WITH YOU COME BACK AND IN THE FUTURE, OTHER
12:06:02PM STAFF MEMBERS, YOU NEED TO COME MORE PREPARED ON THE BASIC
12:06:06PM ANSWERS BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT.
12:06:07PM SOME THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEAD OF
12:06:11PM WHAT'S THE LONG-TERM GOAL, PLANS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF
12:06:14PM THOSE.
12:06:14PM I'M HOPING IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THESE ITEMS
12:06:17PM THAT WE WILL HAVE THE PLAN, HAVE THE BASIC ANSWERS SO WE
12:06:20PM WON'T GET IN THESE KIND OF SQUABBLES I CALL THEM OF THE
12:06:25PM ADMINISTRATION -- SOMEONE MAKING FEEL BAD OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
12:06:29PM COUNCIL HAS TO ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC.
12:06:31PM THAT'S OUR JOB.

12:06:33PM WHETHER ANYBODY LIKES IT OR NOT, WHEN THE PUBLIC TELLS US
12:06:35PM WHAT THEY WANT OR ASK FOR WHAT THEY WANT, ADMINISTRATION MAY
12:06:39PM NOT LIKE IT BUT WE HAVE TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.
12:06:41PM IT'S THEIR MONEY.
12:06:42PM I'LL SUPPORT IT TODAY NUMBER 5.
12:06:44PM I'M HOPING THAT THE REST WHEN IT COMES BACK THAT WE'RE A
12:06:46PM LITTLE MORE DETAILED TO WHAT WE HAVE TO GET OUT.
12:06:49PM THANK YOU, SIR.
12:06:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:06:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M ALSO GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TODAY, BUT I
12:06:55PM ALSO AGREE WITH MY TWO COLLEAGUES THAT THIS IS INCREDIBLY
12:06:59PM IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE TYPES OF ANSWERS.
12:07:02PM I'M GOING TO SUPPORT BOTH 5 AND 6 BECAUSE THEY ARE BASICALLY
12:07:06PM INTERTWINED.
12:07:07PM BUT I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO KNOW THESE MORE BASIC QUESTIONS,
12:07:14PM THE ANSWERS, SO WE CAN ANSWER OUR CONSTITUENTS.
12:07:18PM I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES IS RIGHT.
12:07:20PM WE ALL HAVE OUR SPECIALTIES, AND THIS IS NOT MY SPECIALTY.
12:07:24PM I DEFINITELY NEED TO BE TAUGHT.
12:07:27PM I WANT THE BASIC, AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON PUT IT,
12:07:30PM KINDERGARTEN-LIKE INTRODUCTION.
12:07:32PM GIVE US LOTS OF PICTURES.
12:07:35PM GIVE US LOTS OF NUMBERS.
12:07:37PM JUST HELP US ABSORB IT SO WE CAN EXPLAIN IT TO OTHERS
12:07:41PM BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE DO.

12:07:43PM WE'RE TEACHERS.
12:07:44PM YOU ALL ARE TEACHING US AND WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND TEACH THE
12:07:47PM COMMUNITY.
12:07:48PM IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, THEN WE
12:07:51PM CAN'T DO THAT.
12:07:52PM THAT IS A REALLY GOOD POINT.
12:07:53PM I ALREADY SUPPORTING THIS TODAY.
12:07:55PM BUT, YES, WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
12:08:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
12:08:06PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:08:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:08:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
12:08:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:08:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:08:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:08:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:08:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:08:25PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
12:08:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL ON AGENDA
12:08:31PM ITEM NUMBER 6?
12:08:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEM NUMBER 6.
12:08:33PM MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:08:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:08:37PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:08:39PM ANY DISCUSSION?

12:08:39PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:08:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
12:08:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:08:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:08:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:08:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:08:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:08:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:08:57PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
12:09:00PM VOTING NO.
12:09:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL ON AGENDA
12:09:02PM ITEM NUMBER 7?
12:09:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEM NUMBER 7.
12:09:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:09:10PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:09:11PM ANY DISCUSSION?
12:09:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, REAL QUICK.
12:09:15PM WHAT I WANTED TO MENTION EARLIER, LOOKING AT THE BIGGER
12:09:18PM PICTURE AND MOVING THE FACILITY FROM SPRUCE OVER TO YBOR
12:09:21PM CITY, ADAMO, 34th, WHAT IS THAT, 18 ACRES OF LAND THAT
12:09:28PM WILL BE FREED UP?
12:09:30PM >> 17.5.
12:09:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
12:09:33PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES, THAT'S OUR PROPERTY.
12:09:37PM THAT'S CITY-OWNED, IN THE HEART OF MY DISTRICT, GIVE OR

12:09:40PM TAKE.
12:09:41PM IT'S IN A VERY BUSY AREA.
12:09:43PM CARVER CITY, LINCOLN GARDENS, WESTSHORE AREA.
12:09:45PM WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE, NOT TO SELL IT, BUT TO
12:09:49PM KEEP IT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION AND DO SOMETHING EVEN MORE
12:09:53PM BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY ON TOP OF WHAT WAS MENTIONED
12:09:57PM EARLIER.
12:09:58PM THANK YOU FOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR BRINGING THIS UP.
12:10:00PM THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN DEALING WITH HAVING ALL THAT
12:10:03PM THERE.
12:10:04PM NOW THE SKY IS THE LIMIT.
12:10:07PM 18 ACRES IS A LOT.
12:10:08PM WE SEE MIDTOWN RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
12:10:11PM I KNOW IT'S A BIGGER PARCEL BUT WE SEE WHAT WAS DEVELOPED
12:10:15PM THERE, BUT WHAT WE COULD USE AS CITY PROPERTY.
12:10:17PM SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN THIS $220 MILLION MASTER
12:10:21PM PLAN.
12:10:22PM BUT THAT WAS IT.
12:10:23PM I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
12:10:25PM MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:10:26PM ALREADY DID.
12:10:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:10:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MISSED THAT IN MY THOUGHT, BUT
12:10:31PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT IT UP.
12:10:32PM I SEE MS. TRAVIS IN THE AUDIENCE.

12:10:36PM I'M HOPING THAT THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE HAPPENING WITH HER
12:10:40PM BECAUSE I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY LAND SALE THAT DOES NOT HAVE
12:10:46PM A ROBUST PLAN FOR LINCOLN GARDENS, CARVER CITY AND
12:10:52PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
12:10:53PM I'M TALKING ABOUT REAL, REAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HELP
12:10:56PM PEOPLE.
12:10:57PM NOT TALKING ABOUT LUXURY APARTMENT.
12:10:59PM NOT TALKING ABOUT LUXURY TOWNHOMES.
12:11:01PM MIXED USE.
12:11:05PM MAKING SURE ANYBODY BECAUSE THAT IS CITY PROPERTY.
12:11:08PM WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
12:11:09PM THAT IS CITY PROPERTY, AND I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT
12:11:12PM IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION WE'RE
12:11:16PM DEAL WITH IN THE CITY.
12:11:17PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:11:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
12:11:19PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:11:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:11:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:11:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:11:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:11:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:11:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
12:11:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:11:32PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON

12:11:35PM VOTING NO.
12:11:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SINCE THEY ARE UNDER
12:11:38PM YOUR COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 69 AND 70?
12:11:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
12:11:42PM I MOVE 69 AND 70.
12:11:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED
12:11:47PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:11:48PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:11:51PM >> AYE.
12:11:56PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
12:11:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A QUICK MOTION BEFORE THEY LEAVE?
12:12:01PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO RETURN TO THE
12:12:06PM WORKSHOP ON OCTOBER 27th TO TALK ABOUT THE 30-YEAR PLAN
12:12:10PM AND POLICY OBJECTIVES OF THIS INCINERATOR.
12:12:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
12:12:18PM THAT'S FAIR.
12:12:18PM AND I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES, AS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
12:12:21PM SAID, THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW.
12:12:23PM THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
12:12:25PM $251 MILLION WAS THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT IN 2016.
12:12:27PM THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION.
12:12:29PM I THINK THIS CLEARLY MERITS THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE
12:12:31PM GOING TO BE RATE INCREASES, WHATEVER, I WANT COMPLETE
12:12:34PM CLARITY, AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR TEAM, AND I TOTALLY
12:12:39PM SUPPORT THAT.

12:12:39PM YES, SIR.
12:12:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:12:43PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:12:44PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:12:45PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:12:47PM THANK YOU.
12:12:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK, THERE ARE A
12:12:52PM COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT I SEE, I THINK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AND
12:12:56PM THE WESTSHORE, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THEM TALK ABOUT THE THINGS,
12:13:01PM YEARLY ITEM, SO WE CAN GET THEM GOING TO GO BACK TO THEIR
12:13:05PM BUSINESSES.
12:13:05PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THOSE OUT OF ORDER, YOU
12:13:07PM CAN.
12:13:07PM THOSE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE SPECIFIC
12:13:10PM PUBLIC HEARING.
12:13:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING
12:13:13PM REGARDING WESTSHORE --
12:13:17PM >> DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT.
12:13:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOWNTOWN WESTSHORE.
12:13:19PM ALL THE ONES PERTAINING TO THE SPECIAL TAXING.
12:13:26PM >> 101, 102, 103, 104.
12:13:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S START WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 101.
12:13:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN 101 THROUGH 106.
12:13:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. BHIDE.
12:13:56PM >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD MORNING CHAIR, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.

12:14:00PM VIK BHIDE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
12:14:01PM HERE TO DISCUSS ITEMS 101 AND 102.
12:14:06PM THESE ARE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT ROLLS FOR THE STORMWATER SERVICE
12:14:14PM AND IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
12:14:16PM THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT IS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER
12:14:21PM SYSTEM ACROSS THE CITY.
12:14:23PM THIS INCLUDES DITCH MAINTENANCE, OUTFALL MAINTENANCE, AND
12:14:26PM VARIOUS OTHER ASPECTS.
12:14:29PM THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS RELATED TO OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM
12:14:34PM FOR WHICH WE DO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY REPORT OF OUR CAPITAL
12:14:38PM IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WITH STORMWATER AND WE HAVE SEVERAL
12:14:43PM LARGE STORMWATER PROJECTS GOING ON AROUND THE CITY.
12:14:47PM THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS RIGHT BEFORE BUDGET APPROVAL, AND
12:14:51PM I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
12:14:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE?
12:14:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
12:14:57PM CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:14:59PM VERY QUICKLY.
12:14:59PM I KNOW I HAD A DISCUSSION, VERY WELL CONVERSATION REGARDING
12:15:06PM THESE TYPE OF TAXES AND SO FORTH.
12:15:09PM THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT ONCE WE PASS SOMETHING HERE
12:15:12PM IN CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S NOT A CHECK AND BALANCE AS TO WHAT
12:15:16PM HAPPENS TO THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING REGARDING HOW MUCH
12:15:19PM PAYMENT OR HOW MUCH PAVERS.
12:15:21PM IT'S PASSED TODAY, BUT TOMORROW, WHEN THEE PAVERS GO ON AND

12:15:25PM HE AGREED, I BELIEVE I DID, IN THEORY, THAT THEY DON'T KNOW
12:15:30PM WHAT'S HAPPENING.
12:15:31PM WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A PERMIT, THEY GIVE THE PERMIT.
12:15:34PM HOWEVER, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND I DO SOMETHING WRONG, THE
12:15:37PM FELLOW WHO I SELL THE HOUSE TO, HE MAY BE THE ONE TO GET
12:15:41PM TICKETED FOR SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.
12:15:45PM IN THAT SPIRIT OF CONVERSATION OF MAKING AND HELPING
12:15:49PM EVERYONE BECAUSE THESE THINGS NOW ARE MUCH MORE BEING DONE
12:15:54PM THAN BEFORE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY THAT ONCE WE PASS
12:15:57PM SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR SOMETHING TO DO WITH A SWALE NEXT TO
12:16:02PM A HOUSE, THAT IS PUT ON THE DOCKET SO WHEN THEY RECORD IT,
12:16:07PM THEY GO TO GET THEIR PERMIT DONE, IT'S RECORDED IN THE
12:16:11PM COUNTY WHAT WE PASSED.
12:16:13PM BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, THE SWALE GETS COVERED AND
12:16:16PM SOMEBODY ELSE FLOODS.
12:16:17PM IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THE SIDEWALK IS THERE MAYBE, BUT THEN
12:16:21PM THE PAVERS THAT GO OUT OR THE CONCRETE OUT TO THE STREET
12:16:25PM THEY ARE PAYING VERY LITTLE WHEN THEY SHOULD BE PAYING A LOT
12:16:29PM MORE.
12:16:29PM THE REST OF US ARE SUBSIDIZING SOMEONE ELSE AND WHAT THEY'VE
12:16:32PM DONE.
12:16:33PM UH-OH, NOW WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE.
12:16:36PM VERY WELL GOOD ATTORNEY.
12:16:38PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
12:16:40PM ITEM 101 IS --

12:16:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GIVE US YOUR NAME.
12:16:43PM >> McLANE EVANS, ISN'T CITY ATTORNEY.
12:16:46PM ITEM 101 IS THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT ROLL.
12:16:52PM IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE PUBLIC COMMENT MUST BE HEARD.
12:16:56PM WE RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF OBJECTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
12:16:59PM PLEASE RECEIVE AND FILE THOSE FOR THIS HEARING.
12:17:04PM >> SO MOVED.
12:17:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
12:17:07PM MANISCALCO.
12:17:08PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:17:09PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:17:10PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:17:13PM >> THOSE ARE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW IN
12:17:16PM SIRE.
12:17:17PM MAY I REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT IN THESE NON-AD VALOREM
12:17:20PM ASSESSMENT HEARINGS, THE VOTE MUST TAKE PLACE WHILE THE
12:17:23PM HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
12:17:25PM I BELIEVE THE DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY, VIK BHIDE IS AVAILABLE
12:17:29PM BY CMT AND I'M ALSO HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
12:17:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
12:17:35PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
12:17:40PM ITEM 101, FILE NUMBER E2022-8 CHAPTER 21?
12:17:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:17:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:17:53PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

12:17:54PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:18:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:18:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:18:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:18:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:18:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:18:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:18:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:18:10PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:18:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:18:13PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 102, FILE NUMBER E2022-8, CHAPTER 21.
12:18:21PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
12:18:22PM McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
12:18:26PM THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
12:18:28PM FOR THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT ROLL.
12:18:31PM WE RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF OBJECTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
12:18:35PM PLEASE RECEIVE AND FILE THAT.
12:18:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
12:18:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:18:40PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:18:41PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:18:42PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:18:45PM >> AGAIN, IF I COULD REMIND YOU THAT THE VOTE HAS TO TAKE
12:18:48PM PLACE WHILE THE HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
12:18:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR MR. BHIDE?

12:18:53PM IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT?
12:18:58PM TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 102?
12:19:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:19:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:19:05PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:19:07PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:19:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:19:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:19:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:19:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:19:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:19:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:19:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:19:21PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:19:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MASSEY, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING.
12:19:24PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: NO, NO.
12:19:25PM JUST WAITING FOR 103.
12:19:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM 103, FILE NUMBER E2022-8,
12:19:34PM CHAPTER 24.
12:19:36PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THIS IS THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
12:19:39PM THAT'S PASSED EVERY YEAR TO SUPPORT THE OPERATION OF THE
12:19:43PM STREETCAR SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
12:19:44PM I THINK MR. ENGLISH IS ONLINE TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALL.
12:19:48PM AS WITH THE OTHER SPECIAL ASSESSMENT HEARINGS, YOU MUST
12:19:52PM CONSIDER AND VOTE ON THIS WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL

12:19:54PM OPEN.
12:19:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. ENGLISH, ARE YOU THERE?
12:19:59PM >> YES, I AM.
12:19:59PM GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:20:03PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
12:20:03PM I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AS I'VE BEEN DOING FOR
12:20:08PM 20 YEARS, FOR THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT TO SUPPORT THE
12:20:12PM OPERATIONS OF THE STREETCAR SYSTEM.
12:20:15PM THIS ASSESSMENT IS REALLY ACCOUNTS FOR WELL OVER 30% OF THE
12:20:22PM STREETCAR'S BUDGET.
12:20:23PM I ASSUME YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD YEAR THIS YEAR
12:20:27PM CARRYING NEARLY A MILLION PEOPLE.
12:20:28PM OUR BUDGET NEXT YEAR IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THIS YEAR'S TO
12:20:33PM ADD SERVICE, WE ARE ADDING CONDUCTORS AND WE ARE INCREASING
12:20:38PM HEADWAYS, WHICH MEANS THE AMOUNT OF TIME IS TAKES FOR THE
12:20:42PM STREETCAR TO ARRIVE AT A STATION FROM 15 MINUTES, WHICH IS
12:20:46PM OUR NEW STANDARD, TO 12 MINUTES DURING PEAK HOURS.
12:20:50PM WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR PERFORMANCE IN THE PAST YEAR AND WE
12:20:52PM WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE COMING YEAR.
12:20:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:20:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
12:21:02PM I'VE BEEN VOCAL IN SUPPORT OF THE STREETCAR.
12:21:04PM I LOOK FORWARD TO ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION PASSING SO WE CAN
12:21:07PM HAVE A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE TO HELP EXPAND THE STREETCAR
12:21:11PM INTO TAMPA HEIGHTS AND BEYOND.

12:21:14PM MR. ENGLISH ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A MILLION PEOPLE RIDING.
12:21:18PM WE'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS GO UP, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GRANT THAT
12:21:22PM WE RECEIVED FROM F.D.O.T. IN ALLOWING US TO OPERATE THE
12:21:27PM STREETCAR AND OFFER NO FARES.
12:21:29PM THAT'S ENCOURAGED PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE NOT USUALLY RIDDEN
12:21:33PM THE STREETCAR OR A NEW POPULATION TO START USING IT.
12:21:39PM AS PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN USED TO USING IT I THINK WE'LL SEE
12:21:43PM CONTINUED SUCCESS ONCE AFT PASSES AND ABLE TO EXPAND THIS
12:21:46PM FORWARD.
12:21:47PM I KNOW THE MAYOR TALKS ABOUT TAKING IT TO PALM AVENUE.
12:21:50PM WE HAD A ROBUST STREETCAR SYSTEM UNTIL 1946.
12:21:54PM I HOPE OVER THE YEARS WE CONTINUE EXPANDING THAT TO CONTINUE
12:21:57PM SERVING THE COMMUNITY.
12:21:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:22:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ECHO THAT.
12:22:03PM AS SOMEONE WHO RIDES THE STREETCAR AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, I
12:22:06PM AM THRILLED ABOUT THIS NEW PLAN TO RUN EVERY 12 MINUTES
12:22:11PM INSTEAD OF 15.
12:22:12PM IT WILL ACTUALLY REALLY HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.
12:22:15PM I AM CONSTANTLY AMAZED AT THE NUMBER OF RIDERS AND THE TYPES
12:22:19PM OF RIDERS.
12:22:20PM I TALK TO TOURISTS ALL THE TIME WHEN I'M ON THERE.
12:22:24PM I TALK TO PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE CITY.
12:22:26PM I TALK TO -- YESTERDAY I RODE THE STREETCAR WITH FOLKS WHO
12:22:31PM WERE LEAVING THEIR NURSING SCHOOL FROM THE NEW USF HEALTH

12:22:41PM SPACE.
12:22:41PM IT REALLY HAS CHANGED THE CITY.
12:22:43PM I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT PASSING ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION WOULD
12:22:46PM ADD TO THAT SUPPORT OF THE STREETCAR SYSTEM.
12:22:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:22:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:22:54PM OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO APPROVE THIS IN MY VOTE.
12:22:59PM WHEN I WAS A YOUNG KID ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I USED TO RIDE
12:23:03PM THAT STREETCAR FOR A NICKEL.
12:23:05PM IT HAD 50 SOME MILES OF IT.
12:23:07PM WENT FROM BALLAST POINT TO LINEBAUGH AND FLORIDA AVENUE.
12:23:10PM NOT ONLY TO MENTION HYDE PARK, YBOR CITY, EAST TAMPA, ALL
12:23:14PM OVER.
12:23:15PM AND THE PROBLEM WAS IN THE '50s, GENERAL MOTORS CAME UP
12:23:20PM WITH BUSES AND SAID WE WERE IDIOTS TO HAVE A STREETCAR, WE
12:23:23PM SHOULD GO TO BUSINESSES.
12:23:24PM WE DID AND WE WERE IDIOTS.
12:23:25PM NOW WE DON'T HAVE A STREETCAR TO SPEAK OF OTHER THAN WHAT WE
12:23:29PM HAVE NOW AND THAT WAS PUT IN BY THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION WHO
12:23:32PM ALSO RODE THE STREETCAR FOR A NICKEL BUT HE WAS MUCH OLDER
12:23:36PM THAN I WAS.
12:23:37PM IT'S A COMPLIMENT, MR. GRECO.
12:23:39PM THAT WAS DONE BY THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION.
12:23:42PM RON ROTELLA AND THE REST OF THEM TRIED TO GET IT THROUGH.
12:23:45PM I THINK WHEN WE VOTED ON IT, I BELIEVE THE COST WAS 11

12:23:49PM MILLION.
12:23:49PM I'M NOT SURE OF THAT.
12:23:50PM BUT IF YOU DO THAT TODAY, WHAT WOULD THE COST BE?
12:23:53PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:23:53PM HAVE A NICE DAY, SIR.
12:23:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
12:23:56PM IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:24:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:24:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:24:08PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:24:11PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:24:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:24:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:24:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:24:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:24:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:24:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:24:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:24:23PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:24:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:24:26PM MR. MASSEY.
12:24:28PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: ITEM 104 IS THE ANNUAL NON-AD VALOREM
12:24:38PM ASSESSMENT TO SUPPORT THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL SERVICES
12:24:41PM DISTRICT.
12:24:41PM I THINK MS. LYNDA REMUND FROM THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP IS

12:24:46PM HERE TO PRESENT.
12:24:47PM NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT TO SUPPORT SPECIAL SERVICES IN THE
12:24:51PM DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE AREAS PRIMARILY.
12:24:55PM >> LYNDA REMUND WITH THE TAMPA BAY DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP,
12:24:59PM PRESIDENT AND CEO.
12:25:00PM OFFICES LOCATE AT 400 NORTH ASHLEY STREET, SUITE 1010.
12:25:06PM COUNCILMEN, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US
12:25:09PM TODAY.
12:25:09PM I AM HERE TO ASK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE NON-AD VALOREM
12:25:15PM FOR THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ENHANCED
12:25:17PM SERVICES REGARDING BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, MARKETING,
12:25:20PM MAINTENANCE, SAFETY, BEAUTIFICATION PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN,
12:25:25PM TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND RELATED ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
12:25:28PM AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1994 FOR THE
12:25:31PM SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICT, AND THAT ASSESSMENT RATE IS SET
12:25:36PM AT 1.0285 PER THOUSAND DOLLARS OF ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUES,
12:25:41PM WHICH IS EXPECTED TO RAISE ABOUT 4.6 MILLION FOR THIS NEXT
12:25:44PM YEAR.
12:25:45PM SO I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION OF THAT SO WE
12:25:49PM CAN CONTINUE SERVICES AND THE ADOPTION OF THE SPECIAL
12:25:52PM SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
12:25:55PM THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
12:25:57PM THANK YOU.
12:25:58PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BEFORE YOU ALL DISCUSS AND MOVE ON THIS
12:26:01PM ITEM, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION THAT IS ON FILE IN

12:26:05PM SIRE.
12:26:06PM I THINK YOU ALL RECEIVED.
12:26:07PM IF YOU CAN MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE THAT LETTER.
12:26:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:26:13PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:26:14PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:26:15PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
12:26:17PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: SECONDLY, IT'S NOT ONLY THE AD VALOREM
12:26:20PM ROLL, BUT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE
12:26:22PM DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP DOES ADMINISTER
12:26:26PM THOSE FUNDS AND THOSE SPECIAL SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
12:26:29PM PURSUANT TO THAT AGREEMENT.
12:26:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS?
12:26:33PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:26:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND YOUR
12:26:36PM WHOLE STAFF FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
12:26:38PM DOWNTOWN COULDN'T BE ANY CLEANER.
12:26:41PM YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
12:26:43PM EVERYWHERE YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE INDIVIDUALS WEARING THEIR
12:26:45PM SHIRTS, WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO.
12:26:48PM EVEN SEE SOME HELPING START THE CARS.
12:26:53PM PLEASANT TO THE EYE.
12:26:55PM BIG BOWS THAT YOU PUT UP ARE FANTASTIC.
12:26:58PM MAYBE, JUST MAYBE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LEFT OVER, SOME
12:27:03PM PLANTS, MORE VISUAL TO THE EYE THE STREETLIGHTS WOULD BE AN

12:27:07PM ADDITION THAT IS VERY PLEASANT TO THE AYE.
12:27:09PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
12:27:10PM >>LYNDA REMUND: THANK YOU.
12:27:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
12:27:12PM IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:27:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE FIRST RESOLUTION --
12:27:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:27:21PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:27:22PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:27:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:27:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:27:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:27:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:27:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:27:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:27:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:27:35PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:27:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION FOR THE
12:27:41PM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT SERVICES AGREEMENT.
12:27:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:27:45PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:27:47PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:27:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:27:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:27:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:27:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:27:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:27:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:27:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:27:59PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:28:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:28:02PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 105, FILE E2022-8, CHAPTER 24.
12:28:11PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: MR. CHAIR, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO
12:28:13PM CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL
12:28:18PM FOR A SPECIAL SERVICES WITHIN THE WESTSHORE AREA OF THE CITY
12:28:21PM OF TAMPA.
12:28:21PM THERE'S ALSO A RESOLUTION, COMPANION RESOLUTION APPROVING AN
12:28:24PM AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE WESTSHORE
12:28:26PM ALLIANCE TO RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS AND ADMINISTER THOSE FUNDS
12:28:30PM AND SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
12:28:32PM I THINK MR. MICHAEL MORENO IS HERE FROM THE WESTSHORE
12:28:36PM ALLIANCE TO PRESENT.
12:28:37PM >> YES.
12:28:38PM GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:28:40PM I'M MICHAEL MORENO.
12:28:41PM I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
12:28:43PM WE ARE SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT TODAY TO RENEW THE SPECIAL
12:28:46PM SERVICES DISTRICT IN THE WESTSHORE DISTRICT.
12:28:48PM THE RATE IS NOT CHANGING.
12:28:50PM AND THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT WILL BE $792,000, ROUGHLY

12:28:54PM THEREABOUTS.
12:28:55PM THE FUNDS GO FOR TRANSPORTATION, MARKETING, SAFETY AND
12:28:58PM SECURITY PROGRAMS, AND IF NOT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY
12:29:02PM QUESTIONS.
12:29:03PM OTHERWISE, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU TO IMPROVE THE
12:29:05PM WESTSHORE DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:29:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORENO?
12:29:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
12:29:13PM YOU SET THE TONE WHEN YOU WERE AN AIDE AND NOW WE'RE AIDES
12:29:18PM TO YOU.
12:29:20PM >> YES, THE DISTRICT 7 ASSOCIATION THANKS YOU FOR YOUR
12:29:24PM SUPPORT.
12:29:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. MORENO TOOK ME ON A TOUR OF THE WESTSHORE
12:29:29PM ALLIANCE JUST RECENTLY.
12:29:30PM IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE ALL THE THINGS THAT THE ALLIANCE
12:29:34PM IS DOING.
12:29:35PM THE PLANS THEY HAVE.
12:29:36PM SO I SUPPORT THIS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF WHAT
12:29:42PM THE ALLIANCE CAN HELP ACCOMPLISH THROUGH THEIR DISTRICT.
12:29:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
12:29:51PM IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:29:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION, THE FIRST ONE FOR
12:29:55PM THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT.
12:29:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:29:59PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

12:30:00PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:30:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:30:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:30:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:30:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:30:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:30:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:30:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:30:09PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:30:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION.
12:30:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
12:30:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:30:15PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:30:20PM IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
12:30:22PM IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC?
12:30:23PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:30:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:30:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:30:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:30:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:30:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:30:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:30:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:30:34PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:30:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:30:39PM AGENDA ITEM 106, FILE NUMBER E2022-8, CHAPTER 24.
12:30:54PM >> GOOD MORNING.
12:30:55PM REBECCA JOHNS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
12:30:57PM THIS IS A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION INITIATED SPECIAL ASSESSMENT
12:31:00PM APPLICATION TO PAY FOR STREETLIGHTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF
12:31:04PM POST TOPS ON WEST SPANISH MAIN NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:31:09PM PROPOSED ASSESSMENT FOR 2022, $2.14 PER LOT WHICH WOULD
12:31:13PM GENERATE A TOTAL OF $72.76 TOTAL REVENUE FOR 2023.
12:31:19PM THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR 2023 WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF $55.75
12:31:24PM PER LOT.
12:31:24PM THIS ASSESSMENT WOULD CONTINUE FOR 20 YEARS.
12:31:27PM THE RESOLUTION PRESENTED TO YOU ALSO APPROVES THE REQUIRED
12:31:31PM AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE TAX COLLECTOR FOR
12:31:34PM SERVICES REGARDING -- RELATING TO THE ASSESSMENT AND JUST A
12:31:39PM REMINDER THAT YOUR VOTE NEEDS TO ALSO OCCUR DURING THE
12:31:43PM PUBLIC HEARING.
12:31:43PM THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
12:31:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
12:31:49PM SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO AGENDA ITEM
12:31:55PM NUMBER 106?
12:31:56PM >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:32:01PM >> SECOND THE RESOLUTION.
12:32:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. BHIDE, ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO
12:32:13PM THIS?
12:32:14PM >>VIK BHIDE: THIS IS A ROUTINE ASSESSMENT.

12:32:17PM ANYTIME WE HAVE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION REQUIRING
12:32:21PM STREETLIGHTS WE COME TO COUNCIL.
12:32:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
12:32:27PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:32:28PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:32:30PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:32:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:32:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:32:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:32:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:32:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:32:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:32:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:32:40PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:32:41PM THANK YOU.
12:32:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE HEARING 107.
12:32:47PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK WE OPENED THROUGH 106.
12:32:49PM IF YOU WANT TO OPEN 107 AS WELL, WE CAN.
12:32:52PM I THINK THE CLERK WANTED A QUICK MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
12:32:55PM HEARINGS WE OPENED.
12:32:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE 101 THROUGH 106.
12:32:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:33:00PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:33:01PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:33:03PM ARE WE HEARING 107?

12:33:04PM NO.
12:33:05PM OKAY.
12:33:10PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: WE CAN GO TO 107 IF YOU WANT.
12:33:12PM I CAN PRESENT ON 107 IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT OR GO BACK TO
12:33:15PM YOUR REGULAR STAFF PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
12:33:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LUNCH.
12:33:19PM SO DO WE WANT TO HEAR 107 NOW WHILE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY?
12:33:23PM OKAY.
12:33:28PM LET'S HEAR ITEM AGENDA 107.
12:33:30PM CRA 22-76121.
12:33:39PM I THINK MS. TRAVIS IS SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT NOW.
12:33:42PM WAIT UNTIL WE COME BACK FROM LUNCH.
12:33:44PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: PRETTY SIMPLE.
12:33:46PM I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE LONG.
12:33:48PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS ACTION YOU HAVE
12:33:51PM SEEN AT YOUR CRA -- NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR OF
12:33:54PM DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND YOUR INTERIM CRA
12:33:57PM DIRECTOR.
12:33:58PM YOU HEARD -- YOU TOOK THIS UP AT YOUR CRA RECENTLY AT YOUR
12:34:03PM CRA MEETING.
12:34:04PM THIS IS REALLY THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS
12:34:08PM TO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA THAT WOULD AMEND OR RESTATE OR
12:34:14PM SUPERSEDE THE EXISTING CRA PLAN.
12:34:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MS. TRAVIS?
12:34:23PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

12:34:24PM SO YOU SHOULD ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
12:34:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS GOING TO DO THAT NEXT.
12:34:28PM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 107?
12:34:31PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:34:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
12:34:34PM MIRANDA.
12:34:35PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:34:36PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:34:38PM WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:34:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
12:34:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:34:43PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:34:44PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:34:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:34:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:34:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:34:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:34:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:34:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:34:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:34:54PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:34:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT IS NOW 12:35.
12:35:02PM COUNCIL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK AT 1:30 OR 2:00?
12:35:06PM 2:00.
12:35:09PM WE ARE IN RECESS.

2:01:24PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
2:01:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL.
2:03:10PM ROLL CALL.
2:03:10PM >>THE CLERK: CARLSON?
2:03:16PM VIERA?
2:03:17PM MANISCALCO?
2:03:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
2:03:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
2:03:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
2:03:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
2:03:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
2:03:24PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:03:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:03:31PM ALL RIGHT.
2:03:31PM WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO PICK UP RIGHT WHERE WE LEFT OFF WITH
2:03:35PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
2:03:36PM FILE NUMBER T-22-76514.
2:03:47PM MR. BHIDE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR VOLUME ON.
2:03:51PM >>VIK BHIDE: ARE YOU HEARING ME?
2:03:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, YOU ARE GOOD NOW.
2:04:00PM >>VIK BHIDE: OKAY.
2:04:03PM GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
2:04:05PM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, HERE TO ADDRESS
2:04:08PM ITEM NUMBER 8.
2:04:13PM ITEM 76514, FOR CONSULTANT SERVICES, AND A TOTAL AMOUNT OF

2:04:21PM $15 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS, WITH THREE UP TO $5 MILLION PER
2:04:30PM CONSULTANT FEE.
2:04:31PM THIS IS AN AS-NEEDED PROJECT SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PROJECT
2:04:35PM WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY.
2:04:37PM A QUICK BACKGROUND.
2:04:38PM WE AVERAGE ABOUT $3 MILLION IN CONSULTING SERVICES RIGHT
2:04:42PM NOW, SO OVER FIVE YEARS, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT
2:04:46PM BUDGET.
2:04:47PM HOWEVER, THIS CONTRACT IS BEING PUT TOGETHER IN PREPARATION
2:04:52PM FOR AN INCREASED WORKLOAD SHOULD WE RECEIVE OR SHOULD WE BE
2:04:56PM FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO RECEIVE FEDERAL GRANTS, MANY OF WHICH WE
2:05:00PM APPLIED FOR, AND ANY OTHER LOCAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR
2:05:06PM THE COMING.
2:05:09PM WE DO HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED OF ABOUT $3 MILLION, 3.2
2:05:14PM MILLION, FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS, SO THIS CONTRACT WILL BE
2:05:17PM UTILIZED IMMEDIATELY.
2:05:20PM ONE HIGHLIGHT OF THIS CONTRACT IS OUR SUCCESS, AND KUDOS TO
2:05:26PM DANNY AND OUR TEAM AND GREG AND EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTED THIS,
2:05:31PM IS OUR MINORITY AND SMALL BUSINESS PARTICIPATION.
2:05:35PM SO TYPICALLY, PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE ARE USUALLY MORE
2:05:44PM AVAILABLE FOR LARGER CONSULTING FIRMS.
2:05:46PM HOWEVER, WE DELIBERATELY SCORED THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT
2:05:51PM SMALL LOCAL MINORITY BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
2:05:56PM TO BECOME THE PRIME CONTRACTOR AND BRING IN ADDITIONAL SUBS
2:06:01PM AS NEEDED TO AUGMENT THEIR SERVICES.

2:06:04PM AS A RESULT OF THREE CONSULTANTS SELECTED, ALFKA, A LOCAL IF
2:06:12PM I AM, WHICH WE WORK WITH ALL THE TIME, THE ENGINEERING
2:06:16PM GROUP, ELEMENT ENGINEERING GROUP, AND BRINDLEY PETERS AND
2:06:28PM ASSOCIATES, A BLACK ENTERPRISE, AND BY THEIR SUB
2:06:33PM CONSULTANTS, KEEPING TO THE FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT SMALL AND
2:06:41PM LOCAL TOO OUR COMMUNITY.
2:06:42PM AT THIS TIME I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
2:06:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:06:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT IS WONDERFUL.
2:06:51PM I LOVE THE WAY YOU ARE FOCUSING ON MINORITY CONTRACTS TO
2:06:56PM WORK AS THE UMBRELLA CONTRACTOR AND PULLING IN SMALL.
2:07:02PM I KNOW THEY MAKE (ACCELA) EXCESS FOR ACTUALLY BEING THAT
2:07:06PM UMBRELLA GROUP AND I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL THAT WE ARE
2:07:09PM WORKING AS A CITY TO DEVELOP THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.
2:07:11PM BUT SECOND, I AM GOING TO SAY IT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SAY IT,
2:07:16PM THAT THIS WILL HELP -- IF THAT ALL-FOR-TRANSPORTATION MONEY
2:07:24PM HAPPENS, THIS IS WHAT THAT MONEY WILL GO TO, VISION ZERO,
2:07:27PM SIDEWALKS, NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT, THINGS THAT OUR
2:07:29PM COMMUNITY IS BEGGING FOR.
2:07:31PM SO I ABSOLUTELY WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS AND I LOOK
2:07:35PM FORWARD TO THE DESIGNS THAT THIS TEAM COMES UP WITH.
2:07:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:07:44PM I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
2:07:47PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:07:48PM ROLL CALL VOTE.

2:07:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:07:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:07:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
2:07:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:07:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:07:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:07:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:07:59PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:08:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. BHIDE, ARE YOU LEAVING US OR ARE YOU
2:08:03PM GOING TO STICK WITH US FOR A SECOND OR TWO?
2:08:07PM >>VIK BHIDE: I AM GOING TO STICK WITH YOU.
2:08:09PM THANK YOU, CHAIR.
2:08:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THINK MS. JORGENSEN DESERVES A LITTLE
2:08:15PM RECOGNITION.
2:08:16PM WOULD YOU MIND TELLING COUNCIL SINCE WE BROUGHT UP HER NAME?
2:08:20PM >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY.
2:08:21PM AND THIS IS VERY, VERY WELL DESERVED.
2:08:26PM IT COMPLETELY CHANGES HOW WE BRAND, HOW WE DO PRODUCTION,
2:08:30PM AND HOW WE ROLL OUT PROJECTS.
2:08:33PM SHE'S A PIONEER IN THIS AREA, AND WHICH IS WHY SHE IS
2:08:37PM GETTING THE MUCH DESERVED RECOGNITION OF BEING ON THE
2:08:41PM BUSINESS JOURNALS FOR CONSIDERATION, AND WE COULDN'T BE MORE
2:08:48PM THRILLED TO HAVE HER BE RECOGNIZED THE WAY SHE IS.
2:08:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
2:08:53PM >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP.

2:08:56PM I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
2:08:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S MY PLEASURE.
2:08:57PM THE WORK THAT DANNY HAS DONE OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN
2:09:00PM PHENOMENAL ESPECIALLY WITH VISION ZERO.
2:09:03PM SO DANNY, CONGRATULATIONS.
2:09:06PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, FILE T-22-76676.
2:09:12PM >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR, ABSOLUTELY, CHAIR.
2:09:17PM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
2:09:20PM ITEM NUMBER 76676 HAS MADE IT TO A SECURITY CONTRACT.
2:09:29PM THIS IS THE REPLACEMENT FOR THE ALLIED SECURITY CONTRACT,
2:09:33PM AND THE CONTRACTORS SELECTED FOR THIS PROCUREMENT IS
2:09:37PM CENTURION SECURITY GROUP.
2:09:40PM IT'S A MINORITY-OWNED ENTERPRISE, AND THEY ARE WORKING RIGHT
2:09:45PM NOW WITH GREG HART'S OFFICE TO GET THAT MINORITY
2:09:49PM CERTIFICATION.
2:09:51PM THE CONTRACT IS ABOUT 5.44 MILLION OVER TWO YEARS, AND THIS
2:09:58PM CONTRACT WAS BEING INITIATED BY THE LOCAL MOBILITY
2:10:02PM DEPARTMENT AND USED FOR SECURITY SERVICES BY VARIOUS
2:10:06PM DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING OUR PARKING DIVISION.
2:10:08PM BUT THIS IS AN ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR THE FACILITY, SOLID
2:10:12PM WASTE, TPD, PARKS, AND MANY ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM MANAGEMENT
2:10:18PM AS WELL.
2:10:19PM SO MANY DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATE IN THIS CONTRACT, EVEN
2:10:25PM THOUGH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT INITIATES IT.
2:10:27PM ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS CONTRACT WAS OUR VERY VALUABLE

2:10:34PM SECURITY STAFF THAT CURRENTLY SERVE US UNDER THE ALLIED
2:10:38PM CONTRACT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE UNDER CENTURION AS
2:10:44PM PART OF THIS CONTRACT.
2:10:45PM SO WE ARE ABLE TO REGAIN A LOT OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, AND THEY
2:10:49PM BRING WITH THEM THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH
2:10:52PM US, AND IF YOU READ THE MEMO THAT I SUBMITTED, IT DOES SHOW
2:10:57PM THAT A MAJORITY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE MINORITIES.
2:11:00PM SO, AGAIN, THROUGH THIS CONTRACT, OUR FOCUS IS ALWAYS TO
2:11:05PM TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE WITHIN THE CITY.
2:11:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE?
2:11:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
2:11:19PM >> SECOND.
2:11:20PM >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
2:11:24PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:11:26PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:11:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:11:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:11:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:11:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:11:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
2:11:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:11:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:11:36PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:11:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:11:41PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.

2:11:42PM FILE NUMBER PRC-22-76700.
2:11:48PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE] THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS AN AGREEMENT
2:12:04PM BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND GENERAL FACILITY CARE LLC.
2:12:07PM THEY PROVIDE JANITORIAL SERVICES FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER
2:12:10PM AS WELL AS CALL IT THE -- WHEN THEY SET UP THE TABLES AND
2:12:18PM THAT CONTRACT IS FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD, AND THERE ARE THREE
2:12:21PM ONE-YEAR RENEWALS.
2:12:23PM THIS IS A TAMPA-GROWN COMPANY, AND IT IS 100% MINORITY OWNED
2:12:29PM BUSINESS.
2:12:29PM AND SO THE CONTRACT IS FOR TWO YEARS, ABOUT 2.6 MILLION PER
2:12:34PM YEAR.
2:12:34PM WE BUDGETED FOR 3.2 MILLION SO IT ACTUALLY CAME IN UNDER
2:12:38PM WHAT WE PROJECTED FOR THIS ITEM.
2:12:43PM I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
2:12:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
2:12:46PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:12:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID YOU SAY INTERIM DIRECTOR?
2:12:52PM COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN?
2:12:54PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: ADMINISTRATOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
2:12:57PM OPPORTUNITY, YOUR INTERNATIONAL CON SERVICE CENTER DIRECTOR.
2:13:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU JUST BLOW IT OUT OF THE PARK REGARDLESS
2:13:10PM OF WHAT YOU DO.
2:13:10PM I HOPE YOU FIND SOMEONE.
2:13:12PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE ARE.
2:13:13PM WE HAVE A NUMBER OF --

2:13:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD TO ASK.
2:13:19PM THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE.
2:13:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:13:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WAS ONE QUESTION.
2:13:26PM KNOWING THAT YOU ARE A ROCK STAR, BUT IT'S CONCERNING,
2:13:29PM THOUGH, BECAUSE A LOT OF JOBS THAT YOU ARE DOING.
2:13:31PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I HAVE A GREAT TEAM.
2:13:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
2:13:34PM I THOUGHT WE JUST DID A CONTRACT FOR JANITORIAL SERVICE.
2:13:38PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: NOT FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES.
2:13:40PM THE CONTRACT WAS FOR SECURITY.
2:13:42PM SO THEY COME UP AROUND THE SAME TIME.
2:13:44PM WE JUST NEGOTIATED.
2:13:46PM WE PUT OUT THE RFP.
2:13:50PM ALLIED CAME TO YOU PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
2:13:52PM WE PUT OUT THAT RFP AND NOW WE HAVE I THINK IT'S CALLED
2:13:57PM SURETY SECURITY TEAM.
2:13:59PM SO THIS IS A JANITORIAL CONTRACT.
2:14:03PM THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES EXPIRED.
2:14:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE THERE
2:14:10PM WAS ANOTHER GROUP, WITH ISSUES BACK IN THAT TIME.
2:14:13PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
2:14:14PM THAT CONTRACT EXPIRED.
2:14:15PM WE PUT OUT -- AND WE PUT OUT A NEW RFP WITH BOTH THE
2:14:22PM SECURITY AND THE JANITORIAL SERVICES.

2:14:27PM WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IN OUR CONTRACT EMPLOYEES THAT
2:14:30PM THEY ARE PAID A LIVING WAGE, AND THE CITY PAYS $15 AN HOUR.
2:14:34PM ONE.
2:14:35PM REASONS WE WENT BACK OUT FOR NEGOTIATIONS IS BECAUSE WE WERE
2:14:38PM TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE FRONT-LINE CONTRACT PROVIDERS ARE
2:14:42PM GETTING $15 AN HOUR.
2:14:43PM THAT IS SECURITY IN THIS CONTRACT THAT THEY WILL EARN A
2:14:48PM MINIMUM WAGE AND PAY THEM MORE OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
2:14:53PM SO ALL OF THAT, THAT'S PART WHY WE WENT BACK OUT FOR BID, IS
2:14:57PM TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS --
2:15:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION.
2:15:06PM SINCE YOU SAID THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ASSURANCE IS
2:15:14PM IN THAT, THAT WE KNOW THEY ARE GIVING THE EMPLOYEES $15 AN
2:15:17PM HOUR.
2:15:17PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE MADE SURE THAT WAS PART OF OUR
2:15:20PM AGREEMENT WITH THEM, AND IT WAS ALSO -- THIS IS SUPER
2:15:26PM TECHNICAL -- ALSO YOU HAVE THE FRONT LINE WORKERS AND THE
2:15:30PM SUPERVISORS AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER LAYER.
2:15:33PM SO WE DID SOME CHANGES WITH THE CONTRACT THAT WE DON'T NEED
2:15:37PM TWO LEVELS OF SUPERVISORS, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP COSTS DOWN
2:15:41PM AND MAKE SURE THE FRONT LINE EMPLOYEES GET APPROPRIATELY
2:15:44PM PAID AND NOT HAVE SO MUCH HIERARCHY WITHIN THE CONTRACT.
2:15:48PM IT'S A GOOD CONTRACT.
2:15:50PM WE ARE HAPPY TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL.
2:15:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

2:15:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS.
2:15:57PM ONE IS, THIS COUNCIL HAS PUSHED FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS,
2:16:03PM I THINK ALL OF US, FOR MORE MINORITY PARTICIPATION
2:16:06PM CONTRACTS, AND IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HEAR THAT SOME OF THESE
2:16:09PM ARE HAPPENING.
2:16:09PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A SEA CHANGE TOOK THREE YEARS OR
2:16:13PM SOMEBODY FINALLY LISTENED, BUT THANKS TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED
2:16:15PM IN THAT.
2:16:16PM AND IN PARTICULAR, EVEN THOUGH ALL OF US WAS PUSHING FOR IT,
2:16:21PM GUDES AND FORMER COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER WERE BRINGING IT
2:16:25PM UP ALMOST EVERY SINGLE MEETING SO I'M GLAD THAT IT SEEMS TO
2:16:29PM BE FINALLY PAYING OFF.
2:16:30PM THE SECOND THING IS THAT YOU ARE DOING THREE JOBS, AND YOU
2:16:33PM JUST GOT THIS INTERIM JOB AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, AND TO
2:16:38PM MY COLLEAGUES, SHE'S RATTLING OFF DETAILS ABOUT HOW MUCH
2:16:42PM PEOPLE ARE EARNING ON CONTRACTS AT THE CONVENTION CENTER
2:16:44PM WHICH SHE HASN'T BEEN IN CHARGE OF VERY LONG.
2:16:48PM COMPARE THAT TO THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD ABOUT PURE AND THIS
2:16:50PM MORNING ABOUT THE INCINERATOR.
2:16:54PM I WOULD ASK THE MAYOR, PLEASE GET PEOPLE LIKE THIS TO RUN
2:16:58PM THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
2:16:59PM IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING THESE
2:17:03PM DEPARTMENTS FOR A LONG TIME CAN'T ANSWER BASIC QUESTIONS.
2:17:06PM AND WHEN YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IN MINUTIA ABOUT SOMETHING
2:17:10PM YOU JUST TOOK OVER, AND YOU JUST TOOK OVER YOUR BASIC JOB A

2:17:14PM FEW MONTHS AGO.
2:17:15PM THANK YOU FOR BEING A TOP PLAYER AND I HOPE ALL THE OTHER
2:17:18PM DEPARTMENTS WILL COME UP TO THIS LEVEL.
2:17:19PM THANK YOU.
2:17:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
2:17:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT, MR.
2:17:27PM CARLSON.
2:17:28PM I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
2:17:30PM I MIGHT LIVE DANGEROUSLY BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ARE OF
2:17:34PM COLOR, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE THREE TIMES BETTER THAN OUR
2:17:37PM COUNTERPARTS.
2:17:38PM I AM JUST GOING TO SAY IT THE WAY IT IS.
2:17:41PM SO YOU SHOWED THE LEVEL THAT SHE'S PRODUCING RUNNING THREE
2:17:47PM DIFFERENT TYPES OF JOBS.
2:17:48PM SO I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT YOU RECOGNIZE.
2:17:51PM THAT THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO HARD.
2:17:54PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU.
2:17:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
2:17:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
2:17:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
2:18:00PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:18:02PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:18:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:18:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:18:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

2:18:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
2:18:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:18:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:18:10PM >> YES.
2:18:11PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:18:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
2:18:13PM >> THANK YOU.
2:18:14PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 AND 12.
2:18:21PM FILE NUMBERS BZP 22-76258 AND BZP 22-7 OF 177.
2:18:30PM THEY WILL BE OPENED TOGETHER.
2:18:31PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, DEVELOPMENT AND
2:18:37PM GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
2:18:39PM ITEMS NUMBER 11 AND 12, THE FIRST IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE
2:18:45PM ESG AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES FOR
2:18:50PM THE PROVISION OF HOMELESS SERVICES.
2:18:54PM I DO HAVE WITH ME THIS AFTERNOON PAM HENDERSON, OUR HOUSING
2:18:58PM MANAGER.
2:18:58PM THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS STARTED IN 2017 UNDER THE
2:19:02PM EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY A
2:19:07PM THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT THAT THEN HAD A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION AND
2:19:11PM THEN SUBSEQUENTLY ONE MORE YEAR.
2:19:13PM IT DOES END COMING UP THE END OF SEPTEMBER, SO THEN WE WILL
2:19:17PM BE BRINGING A NEW AGREEMENT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT
2:19:21PM ARE PROVIDED TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES FOR THOSE SERVICES.
2:19:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MS. FEELEY?

2:19:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: ABOUT 11 AND 12, I HAVE GOTTEN SOME
2:19:38PM QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR
2:19:44PM THIS.
2:19:46PM THERE WERE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD HAVE
2:19:48PM MOVED TO MORE PERMANENT SHELTERS NOW INSTEAD OF TENTS.
2:19:52PM AND HAD BETTER FACILITIES.
2:19:55PM CAN YOU JUST TELL US THE TIMELINE?
2:19:58PM WE WERE SLOWED DOWN AGENTS BIT IN THE BEGINNING, BUT CAN YOU
2:20:00PM TELL US THE BROTHER IMPRESSION OF WHERE THIS IS GOING OVER
2:20:03PM THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS IN TERMS OF CAPACITY AND WHAT
2:20:06PM TYPES OF FACILITIES?
2:20:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SURE.
2:20:08PM AND I WILL LET KAYON SPEAK TO THAT.
2:20:10PM I KNOW THAT WE RAN INTO SOME ISSUES WITH PRODUCTION OF THE
2:20:13PM SHELTERS, BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT THE SHELTERS WILL BE
2:20:18PM HERE, I BELIEVE, IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE MONTHS, BY THE END
2:20:21PM OF THE YEAR.
2:20:22PM BUT LET ME HAVE KAYON FILL YOU IN ON IT.
2:20:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: SOME KIND OF PORTABLE -- SOMETHING LIKE
2:20:28PM THAT?
2:20:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
2:20:30PM >>KAYON HENDERSON: MANAGER FOR HOUSING DIVISION.
2:20:33PM AS ABBYE FEELEY STATED WE WILL HAVE ABOUT 100 COTTAGES THAT
2:20:37PM WILL GO IN PLACE WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE MONTHS,
2:20:40PM HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THOSE.

2:20:43PM THE FACILITY FOR THE WRAP AROUND SERVICES.
2:20:46PM ALSO BLENDED CATHOLIC CHARITY FOR TAMPA HOPE UNDER OUR COVID
2:20:53PM FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE FACILITIES TO PROVIDE
2:20:55PM ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, SO THEY WILL
2:20:58PM HAVE $600,000.
2:20:59PM WE CAME FORWARD WITH THAT DURING OUR ACTION PLAN AND WE WILL
2:21:02PM COME BACK WITH THE FORMAL AGREEMENT IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE
2:21:06PM MONTHS.
2:21:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT'S THE LONG-TERM PROGRESSION OF THIS?
2:21:11PM IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AT ONE TIME THERE WERE LIKE 380
2:21:14PM PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE HOMES, AND IF YOU HAD THAT, DOES THAT
2:21:19PM SERVE 100?
2:21:20PM HOW MANY DOES IT SERVE AND WHAT'S THE NEED THAT WE WILL NEED
2:21:23PM TO SERVICE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND HOW WOULD WE SERVE
2:21:27PM IT?
2:21:28PM >> CURRENTLY WE SERVE 100 INDIVIDUALS AT A TIME.
2:21:31PM IT STAYS AT FULL CAPACITY, AS THEY COME THROUGH THE SERVICES
2:21:34PM THAT THEY ARE GETTING IS CAPITOL HILL EXIT TO PERMANENT
2:21:39PM HOUSING.
2:21:39PM SO WE HAVE HAD --
2:21:43PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: TAMPA HOUSING OPENS THE END OF DECEMBER OF
2:21:50PM 21.
2:21:51PM >> SO THIS IS JUST THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PERIOD, AS MRS.
2:21:57PM FEELEY STATED, SO WE ASSISTED ABOUT 325 INDIVIDUALS.
2:22:01PM WE DID HAVE SOME FAMILIES EXIT THE PROGRAM AND COME BACK IN

2:22:05PM BECAUSE THEY JUST WEREN'T READY FOR SERVICES SO WE HAD THE
2:22:07PM UNDUPLICATED NUMBERS HERE.
2:22:10PM ASSISTED ABOUT 30% OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE GONE TO
2:22:13PM PERMANENT HOUSING, THAT THEY NOW HAVE A SECURE LEASE WITH
2:22:16PM THEM, AND HAVE GOTTEN SOME ASSISTANCE, EITHER THROUGH
2:22:19PM GETTING A JOB AND NOW BEING ABLE TO PAY FOR THAT RENT
2:22:22PM THEMSELVES, OR THROUGH THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES ALSO HAVING
2:22:25PM SOME FUNDS FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE.
2:22:28PM A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT EMPLOYED AT INTAKE, BUT THROUGH THE
2:22:31PM WRAPAROUND SERVICES AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET
2:22:35PM JOBS.
2:22:35PM WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ASSIST THEM WITH THE INDIVIDUALS GAIN
2:22:39PM EMPLOYMENT WHILE THEY ARE THERE.
2:22:40PM WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF INDIVIDUALS OVER 62 YEARS OLD SO
2:22:45PM WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AS WE LOOK INTO SENIOR
2:22:49PM LIVING FACILITIES.
2:22:49PM 5% ARE VETERANS.
2:22:51PM A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN BRIDGE THE GAP WITH THE VETERAN
2:22:53PM SERVICES THAT WILL GIVE THEM PERMANENT HOUSING MOVING
2:22:56PM FORWARD.
2:22:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST ADD LIKE I DID ON THE LAST
2:22:59PM ONE, THESE ARE LIKE SUPERSTAR ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS,
2:23:05PM ANTICIPATING WHAT WE WERE GOING TO ASK, HAVING THE ANSWERS,
2:23:09PM BE ON TOP OF IT, TALKING ABOUT LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.
2:23:12PM IT SHOWS THAT YOU ALL REALLY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONTINUITY

2:23:14PM AND YOU ARE THINKING AHEAD AND PLANNING IT.
2:23:16PM I EXPECT THAT FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT.
2:23:18PM SORRY THAT YOU ALL SET A HIGH STANDARD AND NICOLE SETS A
2:23:23PM HIGH STANDARD.
2:23:23PM BUT I AM COMPARING YOU TO THIS MORNING BUT THANK YOU FOR
2:23:27PM BEING ON TOP OF IT.
2:23:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, WHERE ARE THESE LOCATED?
2:23:35PM WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED?
2:23:37PM >> THEY WILL BE ON THE SAME SITE SO THE IDEA IS TO STILL
2:23:41PM HAVE THE 100 COTTAGES AS WELL AS THE BEDS IN TENT SO WE WILL
2:23:47PM BE ABLE TO UP THE CAPACITY OF WHO WE CAN ACTUALLY SERVE SO
2:23:51PM WE ARE JUST TRYING TO INCREASE WHAT WE DO.
2:23:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WILL IT SERVE AS TEMPORARY HOMES?
2:23:56PM HOW DOES THAT WORK?
2:23:58PM >> IT'S ALL GOING TO BE TEMPORARY.
2:23:59PM THE IDEA IS TO ULTIMATELY GET EVERY PERSON INTO PERMANENT
2:24:02PM HOUSING BEYOND TAMPA HOPE MODEL, SO THEY WILL COME IN --
2:24:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:24:18PM >> WE DON'T HAVE FAMILIES THERE, BUT THERE ARE SOME
2:24:20PM INDIVIDUALS WE MIGHT KIND OF INTERACT AS THE CITY OF TAMPA
2:24:25PM AND THEY ARE READY FOR SERVICES SO WE WILL TELL THEM ABOUT
2:24:28PM TAMPA HOPE AND IF THEY ARE INTERESTED THEN THEY'LL TAKE
2:24:31PM THEM.
2:24:32PM WE HAVE INTAKE IS DONE ON TUESDAY OF EVERY WEEK.
2:24:35PM AND SO WE GENERALLY WILL HAVE ABOUT 3 OR 4 BEDS POSSIBLY

2:24:38PM AVAILABLE, AND THEN THOSE WILL BE FILLED TO KEEP PEOPLE ON A
2:24:41PM WAITING LIST SO WE DON'T LOSE THEM UNTIL WE CONSTANTLY GO
2:24:44PM BACK AND INTERACT WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
2:24:46PM SO AS SOON AS WE REALIZE THAT THERE'S A SHELTER BED
2:24:49PM AVAILABLE AND WE ARE ABLE TO PREPARE THEM WITH SERVICES.
2:24:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
2:24:54PM >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
2:24:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:24:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
2:25:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO MOVE RESOLUTION 11, SECONDED BY
2:25:06PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:25:07PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:25:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:25:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:25:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
2:25:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:25:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:25:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:25:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:25:17PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:25:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE NUMBER 12.
2:25:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:25:24PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:25:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:25:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

2:25:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:25:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:25:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:25:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:25:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:25:34PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:25:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:25:38PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13.
2:25:39PM CM 21-70952.
2:25:43PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, CHAIRMAN, KEITH O'CONNOR FOR
2:25:58PM CITY OF TAMPA.
2:25:59PM HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 19.
2:26:01PM I DID SUBMIT A POWERPOINT TYPE OF OUTLINE IF I CAN GET THAT
2:26:05PM UP.
2:26:06PM THANK YOU.
2:26:06PM THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THE RENTAL COMPLAINT REGISTRY, AND JUST
2:26:10PM FOR CLARIFICATION WE DON'T HAVE A RENTAL COMPLAINT REGISTRY
2:26:13PM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:26:14PM THIS IS THE REMNANTS OF THE RENTAL CERTIFICATE PROGRAM WHICH
2:26:18PM AS YOU KNOW IS EXPIRING THIS YEAR, SEPTEMBER 30.
2:26:21PM THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST ARE WHAT ARE WE
2:26:24PM GOING TO DO TO FACILITATE AND HELP THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE
2:26:27PM RENTAL PROPERTY COMPLAINTS AND ISSUES?
2:26:30PM WHAT WAS THE CITY GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT?
2:26:32PM SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS.

2:26:34PM AS YOU KNOW, RECENTLY WE HAD THE ISSUES WITH THE LARGER
2:26:38PM UNITS, PARTICULARLY SILVER OAKS AND TIMBER FALLS, AND THE
2:26:42PM PREEMPTION THAT WE HAD A WORK AROUND.
2:26:44PM SO WE HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION WAS THE STATE, BBPR, AS
2:26:48PM MUCH OF YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF AND FACILITATED SOME OF THOSE
2:26:52PM DISCUSSIONS.
2:26:53PM IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
2:26:56PM WE ARE STILL WORKING AROUND THE PREEMPTION, BUT WHAT WE ARE
2:26:59PM GOING TO DO, BY THE TIME IT EXPIRES IN SEPTEMBER, THE RENTAL
2:27:03PM CERTIFICATES, WE ARE GOING TO UPDATE OUR WEBSITE.
2:27:05PM IF I COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
2:27:09PM SO WHAT YOU SEE UP THERE CURRENTLY IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
2:27:13PM ENHANCEMENT WEB PAGE.
2:27:15PM THIS IS OUR HOME PAGE.
2:27:18PM DOWN THERE ABOVE THE BLUEGRASS THERE IS OUR QUICK LINKS FOR
2:27:22PM SERVICES.
2:27:23PM IN THAT AREA IS WHERE WE WANT TO ADD THESE ADDITIONAL LINKS
2:27:27PM TO HELP SERVE AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE RENTAL
2:27:31PM CONCERNS.
2:27:33PM WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT MAYBE DOING RANDOM INSPECTIONS ABOUT
2:27:36PM RENTAL UNITS, THAT AFTER DISCUSSION WAS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
2:27:40PM WE CANNOT DO THAT.
2:27:43PM CODE ENFORCEMENT IS COMPLAINT-BASED SO WE NEED PEOPLE TO
2:27:46PM COME FORWARD, MAYBE A COMPLAINT AND GIVE US THEIR
2:27:50PM INFORMATION IN ORDER TO INVITE US INTO THEIR UNITS TO DO AN

2:27:53PM INSPECTION.
2:27:55PM BECAUSE OF THAT PREEMPTION, THAT'S STILL LESS.
2:27:57PM SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
2:27:59PM WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ON THAT PAGE WE ARE GOING TO ADD
2:28:02PM THESE ADDITIONAL LINKS.
2:28:03PM SO THE LINKS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE UP THERE ARE GOING TO
2:28:05PM BE QUICK LINKS FOR SERVICES FOR THE PUBLIC TO CLICK ON.
2:28:09PM IT WILL DIRECT THEM TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
2:28:12PM AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE RENTAL INFORMATION GUIDE
2:28:14PM BASICALLY LIKE PDFs TYPE PAMPHLET INFORMATION THAT THEY
2:28:18PM CAN CLICK ON.
2:28:19PM SO THE FIRST TWO LINKS ARE GOING TO BE FOR RENTAL
2:28:23PM PROPERTIES, AND THOSE TWO LINKS I DID DISTINGUISH BETWEEN
2:28:26PM FOUR UNITS AND LESS AND FIVE UNITS AND MORE.
2:28:28PM ALTHOUGH THOSE LINKS ARE GOING TO TAKE US DIRECTLY TO OUR
2:28:32PM CITY ACCELA SYSTEM FOR INPUT DOWN THE ROAD, IF THINGS ARE
2:28:36PM WORKING SMOOTHLY, WE MAY DIRECT THEM DIRECTLY TO THE STATE.
2:28:40PM FOR NOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTED TO THE SAME THING, AND
2:28:42PM THERE'S GOING TO BE A TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS LINK AND A
2:28:46PM FAIR HOUSING DISCRIMINATION LINK.
2:28:48PM IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
2:28:50PM KEEP IN MIND THAT THE LAW DID CHANGE JULY 1st SO
2:28:54PM EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE US THEIR INFORMATION.
2:28:56PM THEY CANNOT REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
2:28:59PM AND THERE IS ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK

2:29:02PM THAT EVERYONE HAS TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ONLINE.
2:29:05PM YOU CAN CALL OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER AND DO THE SAME
2:29:07PM THING THAT YOU CAN DO ONLINE.
2:29:09PM YOU CAN DO ON THE PHONE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO USE
2:29:13PM THE INTERNET.
2:29:14PM GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
2:29:16PM SO WHEN YOU CLICK ON THE FIRST COUPLE OF LINKS, YOU ARE
2:29:19PM GOING TO BE DIRECTED RIGHT HERE SHOWING YOU THE ACCELA PAGE.
2:29:23PM THE NEXT PAGE SHOWING HOW THEY ARE GOING TO INPUT THEIR
2:29:26PM INFORMATION.
2:29:26PM ONCE THEY INPUT THEIR INFORMATION WITH THEIR COMPLAINT THEY
2:29:29PM WILL CLICK ON.
2:29:30PM THAT THEY WILL GET A REFERENCE COMPLAINT NUMBER THAT THEY
2:29:33PM CAN UTILIZE TO CHECK BACK ON HOW THEIR COMPLAINT IS GOING.
2:29:36PM SO AGAIN, YOU CAN DO ALL OF THIS AT THAT TELEPHONE NUMBER OR
2:29:40PM DO IT ONLINE.
2:29:41PM IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
2:29:45PM FOR THESE TENANT'S BILL OF RIGHTS QUESTIONS YOU ARE GOING TO
2:29:48PM BE DIRECTED TO THE TAMPA OFFICE OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
2:29:51PM THEY HAVE THEIR PAGE.
2:29:52PM THEY CAN SELECT FROM THAT PAGE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH
2:29:55PM THAT.
2:29:56PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
2:29:57PM SAME THING WITH THE FAIR HOUSING AND DISCRIMINATION
2:30:00PM COMPLAINTS.

2:30:00PM YOU GO TO THE HOUSING SITE, DIRECTS THEM THERE FOR ANY
2:30:04PM ISSUES RELATED TO THAT.
2:30:06PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
2:30:09PM AND THEN YOU CAN JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
2:30:11PM THIS IS RAN INFORMATION GUIDE, LIKE I SAID, SO YOU CLICK ON,
2:30:14PM THEY WILL SEE THESE RESOURCES.
2:30:16PM YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
2:30:18PM PEOPLE CAN READ THROUGH THESE.
2:30:20PM RESOURCES.
2:30:21PM PICK OUT WHAT THEY NEED AND THEN UTILIZE THEM AS THEY SEE
2:30:24PM FIT.
2:30:25PM NEXT SLIDE.
2:30:26PM SAME THING HERE.
2:30:28PM GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
2:30:31PM AND FOR ANY FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, AGAIN YOU WILL BE DIRECTED
2:30:35PM TO THE HOUSING WEB PAGE AND THEY HAVE THEIR PHONE NUMBER UP
2:30:37PM THERE AND YOU CAN UTILIZE THAT.
2:30:39PM AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
2:30:45PM TO THE RENTAL CERTIFICATE.
2:30:47PM SO WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
2:30:48PM WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THE CITIZENS TO REACH OUT TO US, AND
2:30:52PM WE ARE TRYING TO DO LIKE ONE-STOP SHOPPING WHERE THEY CAN
2:30:55PM GET THEIR ANSWERS.
2:30:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR?
2:30:59PM AS IT RELATES TO FILING THE COMPLAINT, I LIKE TO SEE -- A

2:31:05PM LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE SOME CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY ELDERLY,
2:31:09PM THAT THEY ARE AFRAID BUT A LOT OF THEM DO GO TO THE
2:31:15PM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING.
2:31:16PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF A COMPLAINT COULD BE GENERATED FROM A
2:31:20PM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S BOARD OR VERSUS WHATEVER THE
2:31:24PM ACTUAL MRS. JOHNSON 90 YEARS OLD WHO IS COMPLAINING ABOUT
2:31:27PM THE PERSON NEXT DOOR BUT MAY BE AFRAID OF RETALIATION, OR
2:31:32PM MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COULD TAKE A COMPLAINT.
2:31:35PM >> WE CAN TAKE THE COMPLAINT IN FROM ANY PERSON F.IT'S JUST
2:31:38PM A GENERAL COMMUNITY AT THE FACILITY, AND WE CAN GO INTO THE
2:31:42PM COMMON AREAS AND DEAL WITH IT.
2:31:44PM BUT IF WE HAVE TO GO INTO MRS. JONES' APARTMENT WE ARE
2:31:47PM OBVIOUSLY GOING TO NEED HER PERMISSION OR SOMEONE ON HER
2:31:49PM BEHALF TO ALLOW US TO R IN THERE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION OF
2:31:52PM THAT.
2:31:53PM WE CAN'T JUST DO INSPECTIONS OF APARTMENTS ABSENT
2:31:59PM COMPLAINTS.
2:32:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:32:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GLAD YOU ENDED ON THE SLIDE BECAUSE THE
2:32:06PM HOUSING INFORMATION, YOU LOOK AT THAT CREATED GRAPHIC, IN
2:32:10PM THE CENTER AT THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS CONTRACT TO ASSISTIVE
2:32:13PM LANDLORD TENANT ISSUES.
2:32:18PM I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL BUT I ENVISION THIS
2:32:22PM HOTLINE BEING FOR ANYONE HAVING ANY QUESTION ABOUT HOUSING.
2:32:25PM SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THE LINKS THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR PAGE,

2:32:29PM I WOULD LIKE THIS NUMBER FRONT AND CENTER ON THAT PAINFUL AS
2:32:33PM WELL FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE UNCOMFORTABLE USING THE ACCELA
2:32:38PM SYSTEM, BECAUSE THIS PHONE NUMBER, THAT'S WHAT THE POINT OF
2:32:42PM IT IS, TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO WHICH AREA THEY NEED TO GO TO.
2:32:49PM SO MAYBE THEY CALL AND INITIALLY THEY HAVE A RENTAL QUESTION
2:32:55PM THEY NEED HELP WITH RENTAL ASSISTANCE, MONEY, BUT THEN THEY
2:32:59PM MIGHT ALSO SAY, OH, WELL, I ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE IN MY
2:33:03PM APARTMENT, MY TOILET KEEPS BACKING UP AND MY LANDLORD WON'T
2:33:07PM LISTEN TO ME.
2:33:07PM SO I THINK WHILE I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A NUMBER AND YOU HAVE
2:33:11PM ALL OF THAT, IF WE CAN REALLY DIRECT PEOPLE TO ONE PHONE
2:33:15PM NUMBER AND THEN HELP FAN IT OUT, I THINK THAT HELPS QUIET
2:33:23PM THE CONFUSION THE COMMUNITY HAS THROUGH WHERE DO I GO?
2:33:28PM >> RIGHT.
2:33:28PM WHEN I SPOKE WITH YOU THE OTHER DAY, I DID CHECK WITH KAYON,
2:33:32PM AND SHE ASSURED ME, SO WHEN THEY DO CALL THAT NUMBER THEY
2:33:35PM ARE REFERRED TO US AND VICE VERSA.
2:33:36PM I DO HAVE A CALL CENTER THAT THERE'S SIX PEOPLE THERE
2:33:39PM ANSWERING ANY CITY QUESTION, BUT I WILL TALK TO HOUSING
2:33:42PM ABOUT CONSOLIDATING THAT NUMBER.
2:33:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T HAVE TO CONSOLIDATE.
2:33:52PM I AM JUST SAYING PUT THIS NUMBER FRONT AND CENTER TO ARE
2:33:55PM THOSE WHO ARE JUST WANT ONE PLACE TO CALL.
2:33:59PM WHEN WE HAVE -- BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT
2:34:02PM DEPARTMENTS.

2:34:02PM BUT IF EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IF I HAVE A HOUSING QUESTION,
2:34:05PM REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, WE ARE CALLING 307-5555, THEY CAN
2:34:11PM THEY CAN THEN CONNECT THEM.
2:34:13PM I KNOW IT'S JUST ONE MORE CONNECTION BUT FOR THEM IT'S A ONE
2:34:16PM STOP SHOP ON THE BACK END YOU COULD HAVE A MILLION DIFFERENT
2:34:21PM BRANCHES ON THE TREE, BUT IF WE JUST HAVE THAT ONE NUMBER, I
2:34:24PM THINK IT AIDS IN THE CONFUSION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
2:34:30PM WOULD WANT TO BE CALLING HAVE.
2:34:31PM AGAIN I REALLY THINK OF OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY WHO JUST ISN'T
2:34:35PM SURE, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO SEND THEM ON THE
2:34:38PM INTERNET AND WE JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE A PHONE NUMBER FOR
2:34:40PM SOMEONE THEY CAN REACH AND HELP WITH THEIR ISSUES.
2:34:44PM BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.
2:34:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:34:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING,
2:34:49PM AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
2:34:50PM HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENTAL
2:34:56PM CERTIFICATE IN SEPTEMBER, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS 90
2:34:59PM PERCENT GREATER THAN THAT ARE THOSE THAT ARE READY WHO HAVE
2:35:02PM NEVER BEEN -- THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR 10, 15 YEARS.
2:35:08PM AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT NOW YOU HAVE THE
2:35:11PM LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT LAW THAT YOU HAVE HANDLE THESE
2:35:16PM ANONYMOUSLY SO NOW YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT PERSON'S NAME OR GO
2:35:21PM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT SOMETIMES THERE IS NO
2:35:23PM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

2:35:23PM SO THOSE PEOPLE ARE VERY HESITANT TO SAY WHAT'S GOING ON.
2:35:27PM FURTHERMORE, THE TAX THAT JUST FAILED, THE 1% TAX ON THE
2:35:31PM SCHOOLS, FOR TEACHER SALARIES AND SO FORTH, IF WE WERE TO DO
2:35:35PM A STUDY, AND I CAN ONLY TELL BUT A SMALL STUDY THAT WAS DONE
2:35:40PM BY A PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, AT 232 HOMES IN A VERY SMALL AREA
2:35:45PM IN A CERTAIN PART OF TOWN, NOT BEING VERY SPECIFIC, I DON'T
2:35:49PM SAY WHERE OR HOW, BUT THEY WERE 100% SURE THAT THERE WERE
2:35:54PM RENTAL HOUSES WITHOUT A RENTAL CERTIFICATE.
2:35:57PM IF THAT'S FACTUAL, AND I AM NOT SAYING IF, I THINK IT IS,
2:36:01PM YOU WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A THOUSAND HOMES.
2:36:04PM LET ME TELL WHAT YOU THE DIFFERENCE IS.
2:36:05PM THE DIFFERENCE IS IF YOU HAVE A HOME AND IT'S UNDER
2:36:09PM SOMEONE'S NAME, AND IT'S RENTED, THAT TAX GOES UP FROM
2:36:16PM $1,000 TO $3,000.
2:36:18PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE, YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY
2:36:21PM TAX, YOU LOOK AT THE CITY TAX, VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE.
2:36:25PM AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCHOOL TAX, SCHOOL ONE POLICY AND
2:36:30PM SCHOOL TWO, IT ALMOST DOUBLES, OR IS EQUAL TO THE SUM OF THE
2:36:34PM COUNTY AND THE CITY.
2:36:36PM SO I CAN TELL YOU BY EXPERIENCE THAT IF WE WERE SOMEHOW HAD
2:36:41PM THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINE THESE INDIVIDUAL, AND IF SOMEBODY
2:36:49PM WANTS TWO WEEKS AT A TIME, AND THEY ARE SO BOLD THAT THEY
2:36:52PM PUT APARTMENT A AND APARTMENT B ON THE HOUSE.
2:36:55PM THEY ARE NOT HARD TO FIND.
2:36:57PM AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO ON WEEKENDS -- AND I AM NOT

2:37:00PM SAYING YOU SHOULD -- BUT MAYBE YOU SHOULD.
2:37:04PM IF YOU WERE TO GO ON WEEKENDS, CODE ENFORCEMENT WORKS GREAT,
2:37:09PM BUT MORE DAMAGE IS DONE ON THE WEEKEND THAN ON ANY MONDAY
2:37:12PM THROUGH FRIDAY EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR.
2:37:16PM IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE 52 WEEKENDS.
2:37:18PM THOSE 52 DAYS, THERE'S MORE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY GOING ON THAN
2:37:22PM THE REMAINDER OF THE WHOLE CALENDAR YEAR, 365.
2:37:26PM AND I'M SAYING IT'S A HARD THING TO DO.
2:37:29PM I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN DO IT OVERNIGHT.
2:37:31PM BUT MAYBE IF YOU START SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD FALL IN
2:37:34PM PLACE AND TURN THEMSELVES IN.
2:37:35PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU.
2:37:39PM UNLESS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO RUNS -- IN THE COUNTY, HAS A DRONE
2:37:45PM THAT CAN FLY OVER AND THEY CAN TELL YOU EVERYTHING.
2:37:48PM BUT I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT.
2:37:50PM I JUST KNOW THE TOOLS THAT ARE THERE, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH
2:37:54PM IT.
2:37:54PM AND I MENTIONED IT EARLIER TO THE BOARD HERE.
2:37:59PM WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS.
2:38:00PM I DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL AND I GOT CAUGHT, I SELL THE HOUSE TO
2:38:04PM MR. GUDES.
2:38:07PM ALL OF A SUDDEN NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINS TO MR. GUDES.
2:38:14PM THEY COME AFTER MR. GUDES.
2:38:19PM SO SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO -- I AM NOT BLAMING YOU.
2:38:23PM I AM JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, TO MAKE SURE THAT

2:38:26PM BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, CODE ENFORCEMENT DID THE WHOLE THING
2:38:29PM AND WE PUT IT ON WHEN SOMETHING IS DONE HERE, AND THEY LOOK
2:38:34PM AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA BEFORE SELL IS
2:38:39PM CONSUMMATED, HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
2:38:42PM SO I AM TRYING TO -- AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
2:38:46PM AND I AM TRYING TO JUMP FROM TULIP POOL TO POOL BUT IT'S 15
2:38:51PM FEET DEEP AND I DON'T SWIM.
2:38:54PM WITH YOU THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH.
2:38:56PM A LOT OF CALLS THAT WE GET ARE BASED ON THAT. ANYWAY, I AM
2:39:00PM GOING TO WORK ON IT OVER THE WEEK NEXT WEEK AND SEE IF
2:39:03PM THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
2:39:04PM I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
2:39:05PM >> I APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCILMAN.
2:39:10PM YOU HAVE SHOWN ME THE HOUSES.
2:39:11PM I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
2:39:12PM JUST FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION, A LITTLE CHANGE IN WHAT
2:39:15PM HAPPENED, HAS HAPPENED, I NO LONGER HAVE CURSE DICKS OVER
2:39:19PM WORK WITHOUT PERMITS LIKE BEFORE, SO THAT'S SOLELY UNDER THE
2:39:22PM HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
2:39:24PM BUT I WILL GET WITH JC AND EXPLAIN HOW FAR WE HAVE COME, BUT
2:39:28PM IT IS TRICKY BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GETTING INTO
2:39:31PM SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND PROVING BEFORE A MAGISTRATE HERE, OR A
2:39:35PM JUDGE, THAT THEY ARE RENTING IT, THEY RENOVATE IT AND ALL
2:39:39PM THAT, AND IT'S HARD TO DO BE THAT FROM THE STREET.
2:39:42PM AND COUNCILMAN GUDES KNOWS IT'S NOT EASY TO GET INTO HOUSES

2:39:45PM AND IT'S NOT REALLY EASY TO GET IN FOR THIS KIND OF CIVIL
2:39:48PM PROBLEM.
2:39:48PM BUT IT'S DOABLE.
2:39:50PM YOU CAN GET INTO A HOUSE WHEN INSPECTIONS WARRANT.
2:39:54PM SO I WILL TALK TO JC ABOUT THAT.
2:39:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:39:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:39:59PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:40:02PM >> ONE THING IF I MAY, I WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE AN UPDATE ON
2:40:05PM THE TWO PROPERTIES, SILVER OAKS AND TIMBER FALLS BECAUSE
2:40:08PM IT'S BEEN NOTICED.
2:40:09PM SO TIMBER AWL FALLS WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTION GOING ON.
2:40:13PM THERE ARE 18 CASES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPEN FOR CODE
2:40:15PM VIOLATIONS.
2:40:16PM THOSE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
2:40:20PM FLO, MY INSPECTOR UP THERE, IS WORKING VERY WELL WITH THE
2:40:23PM COMMUNITY. IN SILVER OAKS WE HAVE ZERO CASES IN SILVER
2:40:27PM OAKS.
2:40:27PM WE.
2:40:27PM HAD ANYONE COME FORWARD THAT LET US INTO THE DEPARTMENT
2:40:34PM DOING AN OPEN CASE.
2:40:35PM ONE CAME IN YESTERDAY AND ANOTHER ONLINE THE.
2:40:38PM I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT.
2:40:45PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR UPDATE AND
2:40:46PM WHATNOT.

2:40:48PM ON TIMBER FALLS, I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH SOME OF THE
2:40:50PM RESIDENTS THERE AND STILL GOING ON TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE
2:40:53PM WITH YOU THE ALLEGED BACK-DUE FEES, RENT, AND ASSESSMENTS
2:40:57PM AND WORKING WITH MANAGEMENT ON IT, AGAIN, ALL THAT I WANT, I
2:41:02PM THINK ALL THAT THE CITY WANTS, IS SO THERE'S A FAIR
2:41:06PM ACCOUNTING SO WHAT IS DUE AND OWING IS DUE AND OWING, AND IF
2:41:09PM SOMETHING IS NOTE THEN IT'S NOT.
2:41:11PM IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A FAIR ACCOUNTING.
2:41:14PM SO YOU SAID THERE'S BEEN 18 FROM TIMBER FALLS AND ZERO SO
2:41:17PM FAR FROM SILVER OAKS?
2:41:19PM >> EXACTLY.
2:41:20PM WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE YOU SAW WE GOT A -- WE WENT OUT TO
2:41:24PM SILVER OAKS.
2:41:25PM THERE WAS ONE WOMAN WHO GAVE US HER NUMBER AND WANTED US TO
2:41:28PM DO AN INSPECTION, THREE TIMES SHE CANCELED, AND WE NEVER GOT
2:41:34PM IN THERE.
2:41:35PM WE CLOSED THAT ONE.
2:41:37PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
2:41:38PM NO ONE ELSE HAS COME FORWARD.
2:41:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND I AM GOING BACK OUT TO TIMBER FALL WAS
2:41:43PM THIS PRINTED OUT IN COLOR, THE NEW WEBSITE, SO THAT FOLKS
2:41:47PM CAN SEE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE IT, ET CETERA.
2:41:50PM AND I'M SURE -- AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE NUMBER
2:41:53PM ONE WAY THAT WE FIND OUT OF THE ISSUES THAT HAPPEN IN THESE
2:41:57PM COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE VULNERABLE AND MARGINALIZED IS

2:42:01PM BY GOING OUT INTO THERE AS OFFICIALS, AS CITY LEADERS,
2:42:06PM ET CETERA, KNOCKING ON DOORS AND TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
2:42:09PM THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE BOTTOM OF BOTH OF THESE TWO ISSUES.
2:42:12PM AND FRANKLY THAT'S HOW WE SAW THE ISSUE AT TIMBER FALLS WITH
2:42:16PM ALL OF THAT BACK DUE ASSESSMENTS, ET.
2:42:18PM SO I'LL BE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, BUT JUST WANTED TO THANK
2:42:22PM YOU.
2:42:22PM >> THAT WILL BE AFTER OCTOBER 1 WHEN OH OTHER ONE EXPIRES.
2:42:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
2:42:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
2:42:30PM CHIEF, THANK YOU.
2:42:35PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:42:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS ISN'T RELATED TO THIS, BUT IT SORT OF
2:42:40PM IS.
2:42:40PM WE ARE CLOSING THIS COMPLAINT REGISTRY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE
2:42:47PM A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, AND I
2:42:51PM AM LOOKING FORWARD TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA COMING BACK WITH AN
2:42:54PM IDEA BECAUSE THESE AREN'T GOING TO GO AWAY, AND I DO THINK
2:43:01PM THE IDEA OF A LANDLORD REGISTRY COULD WORK AND IS SOMETHING
2:43:06PM THAT WE COULD DO AS A CITY, BUT I AM GOING TO WAIT UNTIL
2:43:11PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA COMES BACK WITH HIS IDEAS, AND THEN MAYBE
2:43:14PM WE CAN BUILD ON THAT AS A COUNCIL TO HELP FIND WAYS TO
2:43:19PM JUST -- TO HELP THE CONSTITUENTS FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE OF
2:43:23PM WHERE THEY ARE AND THE TYPES OF PLACES THEY ARE GOING INTO
2:43:26PM BEFORE THEY GO INTO THEM.

2:43:29PM ACCELA, WHILE REALLY GOOD FOR US, IS VERY TRICKY TO USE.
2:43:34PM IT'S REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
2:43:37PM I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO SOME TRAINING OUT IN THE
2:43:40PM COMMUNITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMPUTER SAVVY TO HELP OTHERS.
2:43:49PM I DO SEE A LANDLORD COMPLAINT OR REGISTRY AS VIABLE.
2:43:56PM I KNOW THAT -- I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING
2:44:00PM IN THE FUTURE.
2:44:01PM I WILL BE RESEARCHING THAT, AND I WILL WAIT FOR COUNCILMAN
2:44:05PM MIRANDA TO SEE WHAT I CAN BUILD UPON THAT IN THE FUTURE.
2:44:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
2:44:17PM CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:44:21PM THE CHAIRMAN ALWAYS GETS THE LAST WORD.
2:44:24PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.
2:44:24PM YOU STARTED UP THE CONVERSATION WITH THE WORD PREEMPTION.
2:44:30PM HOW MUCH MORE AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE ON UNITS 5 AND ABOVE?
2:44:37PM WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING.
2:44:42PM AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS, PROFESSIONAL
2:44:44PM REGULATIONS.
2:44:45PM NOW, ARE WE ACCUMULATING ALL THIS DATA THAT WE ARE GOING TO
2:44:48PM GET AND SEND IT BACK UP AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEIR
2:44:54PM RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE BEEN USURPED?
2:44:55PM BECAUSE I SPOKE WITH THE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED
2:44:58PM TO COME BACK TO ME WITH A HOTLINE INFORM OUR CITIZENS TO
2:45:02PM CALL.
2:45:04PM SO I AM HOPING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE TEETH TO HELP

2:45:07PM THE RESIDENT THAT NEED THE MOST HELP AND THE DEPARTMENT OF
2:45:10PM BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL REGULATIONS ISN'T GOING TO PREEMPT US
2:45:15PM FROM DOING WHAT WE FULLY CAN DO.
2:45:19PM >> OKAY.
2:45:20PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PREEMPT US FROM DOING ANYTHING LIKE
2:45:23PM THAT.
2:45:23PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE OVERTLY PREVENTING US.
2:45:27PM BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHEN WE DO MAKE A COMPLAINT, AT THE SAME
2:45:29PM TIME, IF IT'S FIVE OR MORE UNITS, WE ARE DOING THE REFERRAL
2:45:32PM TO DDPR AT THE SAME TIME.
2:45:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND THAT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, WAS MY POINT.
2:45:38PM WE ARE DOING THE REFERRAL.
2:45:40PM THEY SHOULD BE ON TOP OF THIS.
2:45:43PM >> AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT US TO WORK TOGETHER, AND I AM
2:45:47PM HAVING GOOD DIALOGUE WITH THE SECRETARY, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR
2:45:51PM AND THE DIRECTOR OF DDPR.
2:45:53PM WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION.
2:45:54PM SO IF THEY PICK IT UP AND THEY ARE BEING RESPONSIVE TO A
2:45:57PM PARTICULAR COMPLAINT, THEN I CAN CLOSE MY COMPLAINT.
2:46:00PM IF THEY ARE NOT, THEY ARE GOING TO COME HERE BEFORE THE
2:46:03PM MAGISTRATE AND WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING FORWARD.
2:46:06PM SO I AM DOING BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME JUST SO I KNOW
2:46:10PM IT WON'T SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS.
2:46:11PM I AM BASICALLY DOING BOTH.
2:46:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.

2:46:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND THAT'S WHAT THE SECRETARY TOLD ME.
2:46:16PM SHE SAID SOME PEOPLE HAVE READ THE STATUTE AND INTERPRETED
2:46:20PM IT CORRECTLY BUT STILL THE LOCAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT WAS
2:46:25PM EXPLAINED TO ME AND HER DEPUTY THAT HE HAVE YOU HAVE THE
2:46:27PM AUTHORITY TO HANDLE BUSINESS REGARDLESS.
2:46:30PM AM I WRONG ON THAT?
2:46:31PM >> YOU ARE NOT WRONG.
2:46:32PM IT'S TRICKY.
2:46:33PM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE'S
2:46:36PM A LITTLE TRICK IN THERE.
2:46:37PM AND I CAN EXPLAIN IT VERY EASILY.
2:46:40PM BUT --
2:46:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SHE WAS ADAMANT.
2:46:44PM >> THERE'S THREE PEOPLE INVOLVED HERE, THE STATE AND WHOEVER
2:46:47PM OWNS THAT BUILDING SO SOMEONE MIGHT COMPLAINT ABOUT WHAT'S
2:46:50PM GOING ON.
2:46:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME SAYING IT HAS
2:46:57PM INTERPRETED --
2:46:58PM >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US DOING -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU
2:47:01PM ARE SAYING.
2:47:02PM THEY WELCOME US IN THAT WAY.
2:47:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, LET'S GO.
2:47:07PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:47:07PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE.
2:47:11PM >> WE ARE.

2:47:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO THE CITIZENS KNOW EXACTLY.
2:47:16PM DAY, THANK YOU.
2:47:26PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17.
2:47:29PM FILE NUMBER CM.
2:47:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, FOR 150, I WANTED THIS AN UPDATE ON
2:47:37PM THIS APPRENTICESHIP RETURNING CITIZENS GRANT TO COME BACK TO
2:47:42PM US IN GOSH, WE ARE ALMOST IN SEPTEMBER. IF I MAY, MARCH OF
2:47:49PM 2023 ON THE STATUS OF THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WORKING TOWARD
2:47:53PM JOINT RETURNING CITIZENS APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, IF I MAY.
2:47:57PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: DO YOU HAVE A DATE IN MARCH FOR THE
2:48:01PM COUNCIL MEETING?
2:48:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: MARCH 15th OR 16th, IF I MAY.
2:48:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:48:09PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:48:11PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:48:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S IT.
2:48:16PM THANK YOU, SIR.
2:48:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW WE GO TO 17, FILE CM 22-754 IT 3.
2:48:45PM TO SUPPORT WALTER L. SMITH LIBRARY.
2:48:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:48:49PM IF I MAY.
2:48:50PM I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS HERE FOR THAT.
2:48:54PM >> HELLO.
2:49:02PM THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ASK IS AT YOUR CRA MEETING YOU
2:49:05PM ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS SO ASKED YOU IF WE COULD COMBINE

2:49:08PM IT AND GIVE IT A LITTLE MOWER TIME TO COME BACK WITH A
2:49:11PM COMPREHENSIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT ON COUNCIL AND YOU HAVE ON
2:49:14PM CRA.
2:49:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND THANK YOU, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
2:49:18PM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:49:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
2:49:20PM I DID THIS IN CASE THERE WERE ANY GAPS FROM THE CRA, SO I
2:49:26PM CAN TABLE THIS FOR NOW, AND THEN LEAVE IT TO THE CRA, AND
2:49:30PM THEN HAVE IT COME BACK TO THE CITY IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S
2:49:32PM ANY CITY INVOLVEMENT.
2:49:34PM OBVIOUSLY, THE MAIN INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE
2:49:39PM THIS LIBRARY WHICH HAS SUCH IMPORTANT HISTORY, AND I KNOW WE
2:49:44PM WILL BE COMING BACK IN SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE MONTHS FOR A
2:49:47PM POTENTIAL STREET DEDICATION AS WELL FOR THE LATE DR. SMITH,
2:49:52PM AND WHATNOT.
2:49:53PM SO IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORY.
2:49:56PM AND THIS IS A LITTLE PART OF THAT.
2:49:58PM SO I WILL TABLE R TABLE THIS FOR NOW, IF I MAY.
2:50:01PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
2:50:03PM COLLABORATE WITH ANY OF THE CITY DEVELOPMENTS WE WILL BRING
2:50:06PM THAT BACK TO YOU JUST LIKE WE HAVE DONE WITH THE PARK
2:50:09PM ACCESSIBILITY ON THE CRA MEETING.
2:50:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
2:50:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18.
2:50:19PM FILE CM 22-74624.

2:50:24PM MS. DUNCAN.
2:50:25PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL.
2:50:29PM JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY.
2:50:33PM I AM HERE FOR ITEM FILE CM 22-74624.
2:50:40PM THIS ITEM WAS REGARDING HAVING WHAT'S CALLED PUBLIC WORKS,
2:50:46PM ACTUALLY THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, TO
2:50:48PM PROVIDE A REPORT ON ANY SAVINGS THAT COULD BE USED IN THE
2:50:51PM WATER DEPARTMENT TO REDUCE WATER RATES.
2:50:55PM WE DID PROVIDE A REPORT BACK IN JUNE.
2:50:58PM SINCE THAT TIME, WE MET WITH THE MOTION MAKER WHICH WAS
2:51:01PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CHIEF OF STAFF, AND I MET AND WE HAVE
2:51:07PM PROVIDED A REPORT FOR TODAY.
2:51:10PM SO I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
2:51:11PM I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
2:51:15PM HAD THE ITEM ADDRESSED AS YOU LIKE.
2:51:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:51:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TWO QUESTIONS.
2:51:23PM I KNOW IT'S A LONG DAY.
2:51:25PM BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED IN THE WAY THIS HAS COME OUT OF THE IT
2:51:28PM SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FAT IN THE WATER
2:51:30PM DEPARTMENT.
2:51:31PM BUT CAN I JUST ASK YOU SIMPLY, IS IT THE POSITION OF THE
2:51:35PM ADMINISTRATION THAT WE CANNOT REDUCE WATER RATES RIGHT NOW?
2:51:42PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD GIVE THE SIMPLE ANSWER.
2:51:44PM YES.

2:51:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND QUESTION. IF WE DECIDED NOT TO
2:51:47PM SPEND $40 MILLION ON A NEW OFFICE BUILDING FOR THE WATER
2:51:50PM DEPARTMENT OR FOUND OTHER WAYS TO CUT, IS IT STILL THE
2:51:53PM POSITION THAT WE COULDN'T REDUCE WATER RATES?
2:51:56PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
2:51:57PM THE WATER CENTER AND ADMINISTRATION BUILDINGS, BY THE WAY,
2:52:00PM WE DO BRIEFINGS SCHEDULED ON YOUR CALENDARS.
2:52:04PM THOSE HAVE BEEN IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
2:52:06PM THEY WERE IN THE LINE ITEM LIST OF PROJECTS FOR THE PURE --
2:52:11PM EXCUSE ME, PIPE PROGRAM THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL
2:52:15PM IN 2019.
2:52:16PM SO THERE ARE CRITICAL NEEDS FOR THOSE STRUCTURES THAT WE
2:52:21PM WILL BRIEF YOU ON 101 VERY SOON.
2:52:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY LAST THING IS I SUPPORTED PIPES.
2:52:28PM I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM IN THEORY, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
2:52:33PM FRUSTRATED THAT THINGS AREN'T MOVING FASTER.
2:52:35PM SO WHEN YOU GET ADDITIONAL MONEY ANY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE
2:52:40PM TO REDUCE WATER RATES BUT THE SECOND ONE WOULD TO BE MOVE AS
2:52:44PM QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE DON'T DISRUPT NEIGHBORHOODS
2:52:46PM ANYMORE AND TRY TO GET THIS DONE AND STOP WASTING POTABLE
2:52:53PM WATER.
2:52:53PM AND WE HAVE SEEN THERE WAS KIND OF A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE
2:52:57PM NEAR MY HOUSE ON GANDY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND THE
2:53:01PM DEPARTMENT CAME OUT WITHIN 24 HOURS OR SO AND FIXED THAT.
2:53:04PM SO WE DO SEE GREAT WORK GOING ON.

2:53:06PM BUT I HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TO GET THIS
2:53:10PM DONE.
2:53:11PM THANK YOU.
2:53:11PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR.
2:53:12PM THANK YOU.
2:53:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. DUNCAN?
2:53:15PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:53:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE'S A GENERAL QUESTION.
2:53:19PM MR. CARLSON TALKS ABOUT SAVING MONEY, REDUCING RATES.
2:53:23PM IF MONEY IS SAVED, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THOSE RATES CAN'T BE
2:53:31PM REDUCED? JEEP JEAN WELL, THE PROGRAM WAS PRESENTED WITH A
2:53:35PM SET OF PROJECTS, CRITERIA, AND ALSO CONSEQUENCES FOR
2:53:38PM REACTIVE VERSUS PROACTIVE PLANNING.
2:53:41PM SO THE PROGRAM IS STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE
2:53:45PM FINANCING, THE EXPENDITURES ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF
2:53:49PM THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE.
2:53:50PM SO OUR INTEREST IS NOT TO START PULLING ANY THREADS ON THAT
2:53:54PM AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
2:53:56PM WE HAVE A WELL VETTED SET OF CAPITAL PROJECTS WE WANT TO
2:53:59PM PROCEED ON.
2:54:01PM WE CLEARLY HAVE REACTIVE SITUATIONS COMING UP WITH COUNCIL
2:54:06PM AFFIDAVITS THAT YOU ALL SEE.
2:54:07PM SO WE DON'T WANT TO THROW THAT BALANCE OFF OF WHAT WE THINK
2:54:11PM IS A VERY WELL PLANNED AND SO FAR EXECUTED PROGRAM OF
2:54:15PM CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

2:54:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE WATER PROJECT FOR
2:54:23PM EIGHT TO FIVE PEOPLE BEING IN A BUILDING.
2:54:27PM AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS YOU WANT TO DO
2:54:32PM WITH THAT, SAY, IN THE HISTORY CENTER THERE, I THINK IT'S
2:54:37PM NICE TO HAVE, BUT I DON'T THINK SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE,
2:54:41PM I DON'T SEE THE TOURISM GOING IN THERE TO THE WATER
2:54:44PM DEPARTMENT TO SEE A HISTORY CENTER.
2:54:47PM BUT THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION.
2:54:51PM IF THERE'S MONEY THAT COULD BE SAVED BY NOT UTILIZING OR
2:54:54PM REDUCED COULD IT COME BACK?
2:54:56PM THAT CAN'T BE DONE.
2:55:00PM SO FORTH AND SO ON.
2:55:02PM CORRECT?
2:55:03PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
2:55:04PM AND I WILL JUST ADD THAT WE ARE EXTREMELY FRUGAL AND
2:55:07PM THOUGHTFUL SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY WHETHER IT'S COLLECTED IN
2:55:10PM WHATEVER WAY IT COMES IN, SO WE JUST DON'T SEE ANY
2:55:15PM OPPORTUNITY FOR WIGGLE ROOM FOR CHANGING THE STRUCTURE THAT
2:55:19PM WE HAVE WITH OUR RATES, AND WE ARE PROUD THAT THEY ARE VERY
2:55:22PM COMPETITIVE WITHIN OUR REGION, AND WILL STAY COMPETITIVE
2:55:25PM EVEN THROUGH THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
2:55:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
2:55:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:55:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE
2:55:36PM WATER DEPARTMENT.

2:55:37PM THIS IS ONE OF 13 WATER DEPARTMENTS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY
2:55:43PM THAT HAS THE AAA RATING ON BOND.
2:55:46PM THAT MEANS YOU ARE GETTING THE LOWEST RATE.
2:55:48PM DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WATER COMPANIES THERE ARE IN THE
2:55:50PM COUNTRY?
2:55:51PM TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THEM.
2:55:53PM AND THERE'S ONLY ONE OF 13, ONE OF 13 CITIES, ONLY ONE OF
2:55:57PM THREE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS IT.
2:56:01PM SO ONE OF TWO THEY ARE TELLING ME NOW.
2:56:04PM SO SOMEBODY DROPPED OFF.
2:56:06PM ONE OF TWO.
2:56:06PM SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, I AM PROUD OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND
2:56:11PM I AM NOT HERE TO -- BUT YOU CANNOT CHANGE RATES, IF YOU BOND
2:56:16PM OUT THAT MONEY, WHAT'S COMING UP AS A HIGHER RATE AND YOU
2:56:19PM ARE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF INTEREST RATE THAT YOU ARE GOING
2:56:22PM TO HAVE TO PAY OUT.
2:56:23PM AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT SIDE AT ALL.
2:56:26PM AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON A LOT OF THINGS.
2:56:28PM BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT GROW.
2:56:34PM THE WATER DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S FIVE OR SIX
2:56:37PM PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING, BUT HOW DO WE CONVEY THINGS TEN
2:56:42PM YEARS, 15 YEARS AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
2:56:44PM WHAT'S GOING ON?
2:56:46PM THIS WHOLE COUNTRY, THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING THROUGH A
2:56:50PM TRANSFORMATION WHETHER YOU LOOK AT WATER FROM INDIA TO

2:56:53PM BANGLADESH TO SPAIN TO PORTUGAL TO CALIFORNIA.
2:56:58PM EVERYONE HAS GOT A WATER PROBLEM.
2:57:01PM EITHER NOT ENOUGH WATER OR HORRENDOUS FLOODS THAT TAKE
2:57:04PM EVERYBODY WITH IT.
2:57:05PM OF WHAT IS IN FRONT IT WILL TAKE.
2:57:07PM WATERWAYS ABOUT 8 POUNDS A GALLON.
2:57:15PM SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE TO TEACH KIDS, LITTLE
2:57:19PM KIDS, THAT THEY CAN SHOW ALL ABOUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT, AND
2:57:27PM PART OF THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT NOW.
2:57:29PM SO THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE THE GENERATION THAT IS GOING
2:57:32PM TO CONVEY NOT ONLY TO THE THEMSELVES BUT TO OTHERS, AND IT'S
2:57:36PM GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.
2:57:38PM BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMETHING AND SAVE WHERE WE LIVE AND
2:57:41PM THAT'S CALLED PLANET EARTH.
2:57:45PM I KNOW ABOUT IT.
2:57:46PM I TRY TO BE WHAT I CAN BE TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT.
2:57:53PM JUST GOT AN ELECTRIC CAR.
2:57:54PM I GOT ONE THAT I AM NOT USING BECAUSE I CHANGED OVER TO THE
2:57:58PM ELECTRIC CAR.
2:57:59PM WHY?
2:57:59PM BECAUSE I HAD THEM BOTH LESS MILES WHEN I TRADE THEM IN I
2:58:03PM GET MITT MONEY BACK.
2:58:04PM SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
2:58:08PM AND THIS IS JUST THE START OF A DIRECTION OF EDUCATION,
2:58:12PM EDUCATING THE INDIVIDUALS.

2:58:14PM YOU CAN TELL PARENTS WHAT TO DO.
2:58:16PM THEY WON'T DO IT.
2:58:17PM BUT LET ONE CHILD TELL THE PARENTS WHAT TO DO AND THEY WILL
2:58:20PM DO IT.
2:58:21PM SO THAT'S HOW IT IS IN LIFE.
2:58:23PM I REMEMBER, I SAID OKAY, SOMEBODY TOLD ME THE SAME THING.
2:58:30PM I SAID NO, THAT'S HOW LIFE IS, WE ARE ALL HUMAN.
2:58:33PM SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.
2:58:35PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:58:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:58:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT
2:58:41PM HIS YARD AND HOW HE SAVES WATER AND I THINK HE'S BETTER THAN
2:58:45PM ANY OF THE REST OF US AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO AN AD WITH
2:58:48PM HIM TO TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION AND XERISCAPING, BUT IF WE
2:58:53PM WERE MORE EFFECTIVE, LET'S SAY WE RAN AN AD WITH HIM AND
2:58:57PM SUDDENLY RUNNING THAT AD FOR A MONTH EVERYBODY USES 5% LESS
2:59:01PM WATER, SO WE SAVE, THAT HITS THE REVENUES OF THE WATER
2:59:05PM DEPARTMENT.
2:59:05PM HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR BONDS?
2:59:07PM IS IT THE CONSERVATION, THAT DOES THE BOND RATING ANTICIPATE
2:59:15PM CONSERVATION?
2:59:17PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD PROBABLY REFER TO OUR CFO TO MAKE
2:59:20PM SURE THAT ANSWER IS ANSWERED CORRECTLY.
2:59:23PM WHEN YOU ISSUE A BOND, THERE'S JUST LITTLE MOVEMENT IN THOSE
2:59:26PM THINGS WITHOUT CREATING AN ISSUE AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT

2:59:28PM TO DO ANYTHING TO AFFECT OUR WONDERFUL AAA RATING THAT WE
2:59:32PM HAVE FROM OUR CREDITORS OUT THERE.
2:59:36PM BUT IN YOU WANT MORE DETAIL ON THAT ANSWER I CAN ASK DENNIS
2:59:40PM TO COME UP AND ADD A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
2:59:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SIMPLY, IF WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND
2:59:45PM WE RAN ADS WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND PEOPLE DECIDED TO CON
2:59:49PM SERVE 5 OR 10% WORKS THAT ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR BOND RATING?
2:59:56PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE SHORT ANSWER IS IT COULD.
2:59:58PM IF THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE.
3:00:02PM CIRCUMSTANCES ARE GOING TO CHANGE.
3:00:04PM I SAID IT BEFORE, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, I CAN ONLY GUARANTEE
3:00:07PM YOU THAT IT WILL BE WRONG.
3:00:09PM WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO R DO IS MAKE IT VERY, VERY CLOSE TO
3:00:12PM BEING RIGHT. IF THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL RIGHT FOR WHATEVER
3:00:15PM REASON, OUR CREDITORS, INVESTORS WOULD LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE
3:00:19PM PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE RATING OF THE BONDS.
3:00:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH OF THE RATING IS BASED ON THE
3:00:25PM INCREASE IN RATES THAT WE APPROVED VERSUS JUST THE
3:00:27PM OPERATIONS?
3:00:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: A SUBSTANTIAL, AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU A
3:00:31PM PERCENTAGE, BUT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT IS BASED ON THAT
3:00:34PM BECAUSE, YOU WILL RECALL, THE UPGRADE COINCIDED WITH THE
3:00:38PM INSTITUTION OF BOTH THAT RATE PLAN INCLUDING THOSE RATE
3:00:42PM INCREASES.
3:00:44PM THEY ARE MAJOR COMPONENTS.

3:00:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD TELL YOU FIRST I THINK WE SHOULD
3:00:47PM RUN ADS WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:00:49PM SECOND, I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH HEAVIER FOR CONSERVATION.
3:00:52PM AND IF WE ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT CONSERVATION I WOULD BE THE
3:00:55PM FIRST IN LINE TO APPROVE A RATE INCREASE TO KEEP OUR BOND
3:00:58PM RATING BECAUSE I THINK CONSERVATION IS IMPORTANT.
3:01:00PM BUT THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY REAL FAST IS WHEN WE TALK
3:01:04PM ABOUT RATES, WE ARE MAKING THE RATE CASE TWO OR THREE YEARS
3:01:08PM AGO, I THINK IT MADE SENSE AT THAT TIME TO TALK ABOUT HOW
3:01:12PM OUR RATES WERE SO MUCH LOWER THAN OUR PEERS IN THE STATE AND
3:01:14PM MAYBE IN OTHER PLACES.
3:01:16PM BUT AS WE GO FORWARD UNLESS WE ARE IN A RATE CASE, I THINK
3:01:19PM WE SHOULD USE THAT AS ONE OF THE LESSER MESSAGES, BECAUSE
3:01:22PM WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR RATE PAYERS AND OUR VOTERS RIGHT NOW
3:01:27PM IS HOW MUCH OF AN INCREASE THEY MIGHT EXPERIENCE, NOT WHAT
3:01:31PM OTHER CITIES ARE PAYING.
3:01:33PM SO THEY ARE EXPERIENCING HIGHER VALUES TO THEIR HOMES WHICH
3:01:38PM IS INCREASING THEIR AD VALOREM TAXES, THEY ARE EXPERIENCING
3:01:42PM INFLATION, AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
3:01:45PM SO AS WE LOOK AT THE WHOLE BASKET OF IT, I THINK THEY WOULD
3:01:50PM LIKE SOME STABILITY.
3:01:51PM AND THE REASON I MADE THIS MOTION, THEY WOULD LIKE SOME
3:01:53PM RELIEF EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE THEY ARE ONLY PAYING $80 A
3:01:56PM MONTH IF WE REDUCE IT FIVE DOLLARS THAT WOULD HELP SOME
3:02:00PM PEOPLE. IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, MIAMI

3:02:05PM AVERAGED 100 A MONTH AND WE ARE ONLY AT 80, I THINK IT'S
3:02:08PM BETTER TO JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THE RATE
3:02:11PM PAYER, BECAUSE THEY DON'T NOTICE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS
3:02:14PM PAYING.
3:02:14PM ALL THEY KNOW IF THEIR RATE IS GOING TO GO UP THEY ARE GOING
3:02:18PM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
3:02:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
3:02:22PM THANK YOU.
3:02:22PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IF I COULD ADD TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
3:02:26PM COMMENTS, WE DO HAVE BECAUSE OF THE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND
3:02:30PM THAT'S SOME CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK TO MAKE SURE WE
3:02:33PM ARE PROMOTING IT ADEQUATELY FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE AWARE
3:02:36PM OF IT SO WE WILL LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN DO MORE ON THAT FRONT
3:02:39PM TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THOSE WHO WITH QUALIFY.
3:02:41PM WE DID REVIEW SOME OF THE QUALIFICATIONS IN 2019 TO MAKE IT
3:02:45PM A LITTLE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO MORE FOLKS.
3:02:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
3:02:56PM THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN.
3:02:57PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU, SIR.
3:02:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MASSEY.
3:03:07PM I'M SORRY, MR. MASSEY, ITEM NUMBER 21.
3:03:09PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: AS I MENTIONED BRIEFLY THIS MORNING, ITEM
3:03:12PM 75 WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, PREPARED RESPONSE TO THIS, TO
3:03:18PM APPOINT THE CURRENT MEMBERS TO THE CITIZENS BUDGET AND
3:03:21PM FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE THEIR TERMS SO IT'S

3:03:26PM TERMINUS WITH THEIR TERMS SO YOU ARE NOT REAPPOINTING THE
3:03:29PM MEMBERS EVERY YEAR.
3:03:29PM THAT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT FALLS OFF, AND WE DID HAVE A
3:03:33PM MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE LAST FRIDAY, I BELIEVE ON THE
3:03:37PM REGULAR SCHEDULE FOR THE UPCOME FISCAL YEAR, WERE GOING TO
3:03:41PM MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
3:03:43PM AND I DID RECEIVE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S AIDE A LIST OF
3:03:47PM QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OR ONE OF THE
3:03:51PM MEMBERS WANTED US TO ADDRESS AND WORK THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.
3:03:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:04:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THOSE WERE ACTUALLY MY SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE
3:04:03PM APPARENTLY THE ASSIGNMENT WAS FOR ALL OF THE APPOINTEES TO
3:04:07PM COME BACK TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ASK WHAT THEY WANT
3:04:10PM DON'T SEE THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE
3:04:13PM DO, AND SO I GAVE HER MY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO
3:04:17PM SEE THAT COMMITTEE DO, AND THEN I ASSUMED THAT THE OTHERS
3:04:21PM WILL BE FORTH COME.
3:04:22PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THAT'S FINE.
3:04:23PM WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL WORK
3:04:26PM THROUGH ANY CHANGES ON YOUR BEHALF.
3:04:32PM >> MUTED.
3:04:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT WORK.
3:04:40PM WE APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING IN AND DOING THAT.
3:04:41PM THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT IN HOW YOU SET IT UP.
3:04:44PM AND THANKS TO EVERYONE ELSE.

3:04:47PM QUICK QUESTION.
3:04:47PM I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT IN THERE.
3:04:50PM BUT THE WAY IT'S RUN FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, I
3:04:53PM THINK COUNCILMEMBER --
3:04:55PM >> I'M MUTED.
3:04:57PM >> SHE'S BEEN THE ONLY ONE WHO IS BEING KIND OF FORCED TO
3:05:03PM WORK ON IT AND THEN MARTY WAS ASSIGNED TO IT, AND I DON'T
3:05:07PM KNOW THAT MARTY VOLUNTEERED.
3:05:10PM WHAT'S THE STATUS ON HOW IT'S GOING TO BE STAFFED?
3:05:12PM I SAW ALL THE STAPH ABOUT HOW --
3:05:16PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE COMMITTEE IS A CREATURE OF COUNCIL SO
3:05:18PM THE WAY IT WAS CREATE PD AND THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE
3:05:21PM STAFFED, PRIMARILY BY CITY COUNCIL, THE CLERK'S OFFICE SETS
3:05:25PM IT, OUR OFFICE, REVENUE AND FINANCE OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BE
3:05:29PM INVOLVED IN THE MEETINGS, AND THEY ARE.
3:05:31PM AND I HAVE ASKED THAT THEY BE ENGAGED AND THEN WORK WITH
3:05:34PM COMMITTEES ON THE SCHEDULING OF THAT.
3:05:36PM OUR OFFICE IS SET IN THE MEETINGS TO DEAL WITH THE SUBSTANCE
3:05:42PM OF ISSUES, THE ORGANIZATION OF THE COMMITTEE AND HOW THE
3:05:44PM COMMITTEE IS RUN, THE SUNSHINE ISSUES HAVE TYPICALLY BEEN
3:05:49PM HANDLED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, AND I HAVE STEPPED IN
3:05:53PM DURING MR. SHELBY'S ABSENCE TO BE TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE
3:05:57PM ISSUES APT THIS POINT IN TIME.
3:05:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK MARY HAD TO TAKE NOTES, RIGHT?
3:06:00PM DID WE HAVE SOMEBODY --

3:06:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS I UNDERSTAND IT, SHE DID.
3:06:03PM I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE GOT THAT POSITION.
3:06:06PM I DON'T KNOW HOW.
3:06:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK HER FOR DOING THAT.
3:06:10PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE ONLY OTHER OFFICE, AND THE CLERK'S
3:06:15PM OFFICE IS THE OFFICE THAT TYPICALLY TAKES MINUTES.
3:06:17PM THEY HAVE DECLINED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS COMMITTEE.
3:06:19PM SO UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE THAT WILL
3:06:24PM TAKE MINUTES.
3:06:25PM AND SO THAT IS R HAS TYPICALLY BEEN GIVEN TO ONE OF ARE YOUR
3:06:29PM AIDES WHO HAS BEEN THE DESIGNATED PERSON ASSIGNED TO THAT
3:06:33PM COMMITTEE.
3:06:33PM AND THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS, IS
3:06:36PM THAT THERE IS SOMEONE, ONE OF YOUR AIDES IS DESIGNATED THAT
3:06:41PM FOLLOWS UP AND MAKES SURE THE NOTICE IS POSTED APPROPRIATELY
3:06:44PM AND THAT MINUTES ARE TAKEN.
3:06:46PM THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT.
3:06:48PM MR. SHELBY CAN BE PART OF THAT.
3:06:49PM I CAN BE PART OF THAT AS WELL.
3:06:51PM THAT ULTIMATELY -- WE NEED SOME ASSISTANCE.
3:06:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE JUST, IN THE DOCUMENT, IN THE NEXT
3:06:58PM ITERATION, BE EXPLICIT ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO STAFF IT AND
3:07:02PM HOW IT WILL BE CHOSEN?
3:07:04PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: WE CAN DO THAT IF IT'S EXPLICIT IN THE
3:07:06PM CURRENT RESOLUTION.

3:07:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:07:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE COMMITTEE WAS NOT OPERATING THE WAY IT
3:07:16PM WAS SUPPOSED TO OPERATE.
3:07:19PM NOW WE HAVE COME ONBOARD TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED
3:07:22PM TO BE DOING, WHAT THE INTENT OF IT WAS.
3:07:25PM I'M OF THE IMPRESSION THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WHICH IS A
3:07:28PM PART OF US, SHOULD BE TAKING THOSE MINUTES, BECAUSE IT'S A
3:07:35PM PART OF THE RECORD.
3:07:36PM SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE -- THEY ONLY
3:07:43PM MEET ONCE A MONTH, ONLY TWO OR THREE HOURS.
3:07:45PM I BELIEVE THE CLERK'S OFFICE NEEDS TO HANDLE THAT AND NOT
3:07:48PM AND AIDE BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SUNSHINE.
3:07:52PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I AM GOING TO LEAVE UP THAT TO THE CLERK'S
3:07:54PM OFFICE.
3:07:56PM I'M ADJUSTS JUST TELLING WHAT YOU THEIR POSITION IS.
3:07:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND THAT MOTION. I UNDERSTAND
3:08:01PM THEY ARE STILL UP --
3:08:05PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE CLERK'S OFFICE, I WILL LET MS. SHIRLEY
3:08:08PM FOXX-KNOWLES ADDRESS THAT, BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY
3:08:10PM SERVE AS THE RECORD KEEPER FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE, BUT WHEN
3:08:14PM THIS COMMITTEE WAS SET UP, THEY DECLINED TO TAKE ON THAT
3:08:18PM RESPONSIBILITY.
3:08:19PM SO THAT RESPONSIBILITY FELL ON, THE WAY THE RESOLUTION IS
3:08:23PM CURRENTLY WRITTEN, RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOTICE AND TAKING
3:08:26PM MINUTES, EXCEPT ONE OF YOUR AIDES THAT HAS TO BE ASSIGNED TO

3:08:32PM THAT COMMITTEE.
3:08:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S WHY IF THERE'S NO DECISION MADE, I
3:08:35PM THINK THE CLERK SENDS THE NOTICES AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT
3:08:38PM THINGS, CORRECT?
3:08:40PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: FOR YOU ALL AND OTHER COMMITTEES IN THE
3:08:45PM OFFICE, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE LAND USE COMMITTEES, THEY
3:08:47PM DON'T NECESSARILY KEEP THE MINUTES.
3:08:49PM THAT'S DONE BY AN OFFICER OR SOMEONE WHO IS SERVING IN THAT
3:08:54PM DEPARTMENT.
3:08:54PM I THINK THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
3:08:56PM BUT AGAIN SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES --
3:09:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE'S NO DISCUSSION AS TO HOW HO NEEDS
3:09:03PM TO DOUGH THAT.
3:09:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:09:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL AGREE WITH YOU BUT MAYBE THIS IS
3:09:08PM SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY ADDING ANOTHER
3:09:13PM ATTORNEY TO ASSIST OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, SO MAYBE
3:09:17PM ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO HELP
3:09:22PM WITH THESE TYPES OF ISSUES, BECAUSE THIS, I WANT THIS BUDGET
3:09:26PM ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO BE TELEVISED.
3:09:28PM THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
3:09:30PM WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE CITY DOES,
3:09:34PM AND HOW THE BUDGET -- I MEAN, WE ARE LOOKING AT HIGHER LEVEL
3:09:41PM ISSUES.
3:09:41PM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

3:09:42PM WE ARE LOOKING AT GOVERNMENT.
3:09:43PM AND THE CITIZENS ARE LOOKING JUST AT THE CITIZENS
3:09:47PM PERSPECTIVE.
3:09:48PM I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY VALUABLE AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE
3:09:51PM TO WATCH IT AFTERWARDS.
3:09:52PM I DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME AND SIT AND WATCH EACH ONE EVERY
3:09:56PM MONTH BUT I CAN HAVE IT ON IN THE BACKGROUND, SO I CAN FIND
3:09:59PM OUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO SAY ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT
3:10:02PM ISSUES.
3:10:03PM I ALSO KNOW THAT I WON'T HAVE MY DESIGNEE COME BACK AND TELL
3:10:06PM ME ABOUT THINGS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE -- IT'S INCREDIBLE.
3:10:11PM WE ABSOLUTELY NEED RECORDS ON THIS.
3:10:13PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BUT THE ATTORNEY, TYPICALLY AN ATTORNEY
3:10:18PM EITHER FROM OUR OFFICE OR MR. SHELBY OR MR. SHELBY'S
3:10:21PM ASSISTANT WOULD NOT BE TYPICALLY THE PARTY THAT WOULD BE
3:10:23PM TAKING MINUTES.
3:10:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, NO.
3:10:27PM YEAH.
3:10:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:10:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN I LOOK AT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
3:10:34PM AND I HAVE BEEN SEEING HOW THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WORKED YEARS
3:10:37PM AGO VERSUS HOW IT'S OPERATING NOW, THEY ARE A LITTLE MORE
3:10:40PM DETAILED NOW.
3:10:40PM THEY ASK A LITTLE MORE QUESTIONS NOW.
3:10:44PM AND AGAIN, THEY ARE MAKING SUGGESTIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY

3:10:47PM WOULD PUT FORTH.
3:10:49PM YOU HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION DOES THEIR BUDGET.
3:10:51PM BUT THAT COMMITTEE, FOR THIS COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
3:10:55PM TRANSPARENCY, ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING AND ASKS THOSE
3:10:59PM QUESTIONS.
3:10:59PM SO AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT HOW THE CITY IS GROWING, IT'S GETTING
3:11:05PM BIGGER.
3:11:06PM THINGS CHANGE.
3:11:06PM THAT'S WHY I SAY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE IS CHANGING.
3:11:08PM THAT'S WHY ON THAT COMMITTEE, WITH COUNCIL PUTTING PEOPLE ON
3:11:13PM THAT COMMITTEE WHO HAD NO IDEA ABOUT FINANCING AND BUDGET,
3:11:16PM JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON THERE TO BE ON THERE.
3:11:18PM THAT COMMITTEE IS NOT TO BE ON THERE.
3:11:21PM YOU NEED TO KNOW SOME FINANCING TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
3:11:24PM WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.
3:11:26PM SO THAT'S WHY I TALKED ABOUT WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN.
3:11:30PM YOU NEED PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT -- AND WHO IS GOING TO SHOW
3:11:34PM UP.
3:11:34PM NOT JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON THERE.
3:11:36PM I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WANT TO SEE IN THE RESOLUTION
3:11:39PM AND MAYBE ASK ABOUT IT, WHO HAS SOME TYPE OF BACKGROUND AND
3:11:42PM DEALING WITH BUDGETS AND FINANCING, YOU KNOW.
3:11:45PM AND AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE SOMEONE --
3:11:49PM >> YOU BROUGHT UP TWO POINT.
3:11:52PM THE FIRST ONE IS KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

3:11:54PM BUT IT'S CALLED THE CITIZENS.
3:11:57PM NOT EVERY CITIZEN IS FINANCIAL SAVVY BUT YET THEY STILL KNOW
3:12:02PM WHAT THEY WANT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:12:03PM THE SECOND POINT YOU MADE WAS MEETING.
3:12:08PM MR. MASSEY, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
3:12:11PM MET.
3:12:13PM DO YOU KNOW?
3:12:14PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS.
3:12:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JULY?
3:12:20PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE EXACT LAST DATE THEY HAD PROBLEMS WITH
3:12:22PM A QUORUM, AND THEN THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THE NOTICE AS
3:12:26PM WELL.
3:12:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
3:12:28PM BUT IT HASN'T BEEN A CONSISTENT MONTH IN, MONTH OUT?
3:12:32PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: NO.
3:12:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU COUNCILMAN
3:12:35PM MANISCALCO'S AIDE THOUGH VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE NOTES ON ONE
3:12:38PM SECTION BUT THERE WASN'T A QUORUM.
3:12:40PM AND THEN I BELIEVE MS. CORENTIA VOLUNTEERED THIS LAST TIME
3:12:45PM SO THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THERE TAKING NOTE.
3:12:48PM WE ARE MOVING ON.
3:12:49PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PASS 75 NOW OR WAIT
3:12:55PM TILL THE CONSENT AGENDA?
3:12:57PM >> MOVE 75.
3:13:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY

3:13:04PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 75.
3:13:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE WE SAYING WE ARE PASSING
3:13:09PM THIS AS IS OR MAKE SOMETHING RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADD TO THIS?
3:13:13PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK YOU OUGHT TO PASS IT NOW BECAUSE
3:13:15PM YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMMITTEE NOW BECAUSE YOU NEVER HAD
3:13:17PM A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT ANYONE TO THE COMMITTEE.
3:13:19PM SO THIS AT LEAST GETS THOSE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE AND GETS
3:13:22PM THEM IN WITH REQUISITE TERM.
3:13:25PM WE CAN ALWAYS OBVIOUSLY COME BACK, EITHER MR. SHELBY OR ME,
3:13:29PM AND AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO ADDRESS SOME OTHER ISSUES.
3:13:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DONE.
3:13:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID YOU MAKE A MOTION?
3:13:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 75.
3:13:42PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IF YOU ALL SO CHOOSE, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND
3:13:49PM MOVE THE RESOLUTION THAT'S UNDER 75 AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO
3:13:53PM MAKE A MOTION AFTER THAT, LET'S FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SOME
3:13:57PM ADDITIONAL CHANGES.
3:13:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
3:13:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 75 SAY
3:14:03PM AYE.
3:14:04PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:14:06PM THANK YOU.
3:14:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE THAT MOTION NOW?
3:14:10PM I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ITEM 75 THAT'S JUST BEEN APPROVED
3:14:14PM FOR THE BUDGET ADVISORY TO COME BACK WITH A DISCUSSION OF

3:14:18PM FUTURE MEMBERS.
3:14:19PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: DO YOU HAVE A DATE TO COME BACK?
3:14:26PM IF YOU WOULD DESCRIPTIVE GIVE US JUST 60 DAYS.
3:14:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: 60 DAYS, MADAM CLERK?
3:14:35PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: SO TWO MONTHS.
3:14:36PM WHAT DATE?
3:14:37PM >>THE CLERK: OCTOBER 20th.
3:14:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OCTOBER 20?
3:14:43PM >> MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED --
3:14:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND IT.
3:14:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SECOND IT.
3:14:51PM >> IS THE.
3:14:53PM >> ALL IN FAVOR?
3:14:54PM I OPPOSED?
3:14:54PM THANK YOU.
3:14:55PM 22 AND 23 IS ALREADY GONE.
3:14:57PM WE ARE GOING TO THE COMMITTEE REPORTS AND CONSENT AGENDA
3:15:00PM ITEMS, GO TO NUMBER 24.
3:15:07PM IT'S FILE TA/CPA 21-27.
3:15:11PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
3:15:20PM ITEM NUMBER 24 IS JUST AN ORDINANCE TO CORRECT A SCRIVENER'S
3:15:24PM ERROR ON A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED AND ADOPTED
3:15:26PM BY CITY COUNCIL BACK IN JULY.
3:15:29PM COUNCIL MIGHT RECALL THAT THIS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT WAS TO
3:15:32PM ADOPT THE TEN-YEAR WATER FACILITIES WORK PLAN, AND THAT

3:15:35PM EXHIBIT C TO THAT ORDINANCE INCLUDED A REFERENCE TO PURE,
3:15:39PM WHICH IN COUNCIL DISCUSSION DURING PUBLIC HEARING IT WAS
3:15:42PM AGREED THAT THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AFTER ADOPTION OF THE
3:15:45PM ORDINANCE.
3:15:45PM WE DISCOVERED THAT THE INCORRECT EXHIBIT, WHICH INCLUDED THE
3:15:49PM REFERENCE TO PURE, WAS WHAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE.
3:15:51PM SO THIS ORDINANCE CORRECTING THE SCRIVENER'S ERROR WOULD
3:15:55PM SUBSTITUTE OUT THE EXHIBIT C THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY
3:15:58PM COUNCIL.
3:16:00PM THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE REFERENCE TO PURE.
3:16:02PM SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO ACHIEVE.
3:16:04PM I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
3:16:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:16:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL TAKE IT.
3:16:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON
3:16:18PM TO TAKE IT, PLEASE.
3:16:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: I NEED TO READ IT, RIGHT?
3:16:22PM AND THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT.
3:16:23PM I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE TA/CPA 21-27, ORDINANCE BEING
3:16:28PM PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE
3:16:30PM AMENDING ORDINANCE 2022-115 PASSED AND ORDAINED BY THE CITY
3:16:34PM COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ON JULY 14, 2022, CORRECTING A
3:16:38PM SCRIVENER'S ERROR BY SUBSTITUTING A NEW EXHIBIT C FOR THE
3:16:42PM PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EXHIBIT C TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE
3:16:45PM EXHIBIT C ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, PROVIDING FOR

3:16:48PM SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:16:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
3:16:51PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:16:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:16:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:16:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:16:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:16:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:17:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:17:01PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:17:03PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER
3:17:05PM 15th AT 9:30 A.M.
3:17:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:17:08PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25.
3:17:09PM FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 26.
3:17:12PM >>MCLANE EVANS: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
3:17:18PM ITEM NUMBER 25 IS AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 26, ARTICLE 7, OF
3:17:23PM CITY CODE REGARDING THE GREASE ORDINANCE.
3:17:28PM THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE THAT IS OCCURRING IS TO COMPLY WITH
3:17:31PM SENATE BILL 1110 THAT WAS JUST PASSED IN 2022 LEGISLATIVE
3:17:36PM SESSION AND WENT INTO EFFECT JULY 1st OF THIS YEAR.
3:17:40PM IT PROHIBITS A PRACTICE CALLED PUMP AND RETURN GREASE
3:17:45PM HAULING.
3:17:45PM THE DIRECTOR OF WASTEWATER ERIC WEISS IS AVAILABLE BY CCMT
3:17:49PM FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS AM I.

3:17:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:17:54PM COUNCILMAN?
3:17:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
3:17:58PM READING K AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
3:18:01PM AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 26
3:18:05PM UTILITIES, ARTICLE 7, GREASE MANAGEMENT REPEALING ALL
3:18:08PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICTS THEREWITH
3:18:11PM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:18:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
3:18:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED
3:18:16PM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:18:17PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:18:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:18:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:18:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:18:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:18:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:18:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:18:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:18:26PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:18:28PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 15,
3:18:31PM 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
3:18:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:18:34PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
3:18:36PM >> SO MOVE 26, 27 AND 28.

3:18:40PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: 28 HAS BEEN REMOVED.
3:18:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
3:18:44PM 26 AND 27.
3:18:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY VIERA, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
3:18:53PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:18:53PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:18:55PM THANK YOU.
3:18:56PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS, RECREATION AND -- I'M
3:19:05PM SORRY.
3:19:05PM ITEM NUMBER 28.
3:19:09PM OH, FOR DISCUSSION?
3:19:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:19:14PM I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE WAS GOING TO BE HERE FROM TPD.
3:19:17PM WELL, ABOUT 28, ITEM NUMBER 28, COME ON UP.
3:19:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: DID YOU A YOU WILL SEE THIS STORY DROPPED
3:19:34PM WHILE WE WERE AT LUNCH TODAY?
3:19:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DID NOT SEE THAT ARTICLE BUT I DO KNOW
3:19:40PM ABOUT THE PROCESS WHICH IS WHY I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD FOR
3:19:44PM DISCUSSION.
3:19:44PM >> TRAVIS MOSS, CAPTAIN WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT VIOLENT
3:19:52PM CRIME BUREAU.
3:19:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP TODAY IS
3:19:56PM BECAUSE -- AND THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT
3:20:03PM SHOTSPOTTER, AND EVERYONE CAN READ THE REPORT LATER, BUT THE
3:20:08PM REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP IS BECAUSE THIS IS A PROGRAM

3:20:11PM SHOTSPOTTER, IT'S SUPPOSED TO LISTEN FOR GUNSHOTS, AND THEN
3:20:17PM ALERT THE POLICE, SO THAT THEY CAN INTO TO THE AREA WHERE
3:20:23PM THEY HEAR THE GUNSHOTS, AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU JUST
3:20:30PM GOOGLE SHOT SPOTTER, AND YOU WILL SEE THINGS IN DEPARTMENTS
3:20:34PM WHERE IT WORKS VERY WELL, IN DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY DECIDED
3:20:37PM IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM.
3:20:38PM SO WHAT I WANTED WAS, MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE THAT TPD COME
3:20:43PM BACK WITH A SWAT REPORT FOR US, THE STRENGTHS, THE
3:20:47PM WEAKNESSES, THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE THREATS OF THIS
3:20:49PM PROGRAM, BECAUSE OF WHAT I HAVE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE REST OF
3:20:54PM THE COUNTRY, AND ON THIS PROGRAM, AND I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT
3:20:58PM THE CITY'S RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
3:20:59PM SO THIS $280,000, ARE WE SEEING THIS AS A SUCCESSFUL -- IS
3:21:06PM THIS HELPING OUR COMMUNITY?
3:21:07PM WHERE WE WOULD RATHER SPEND THAT $280,000 ON THREE OR FOUR,
3:21:12PM HOWEVER MANY MORE OFFICERS THAT MIGHT PROVIDE?
3:21:15PM I JUST WANTED A REPORT THAT THIS EXPLAINS IT.
3:21:19PM AND I TALKED TO CHIEF O'CONNOR ABOUT THIS, AND SHE
3:21:25PM RECOMMENDED COMING BACK ON OCTOBER 27, WHICH IS WHEN WE ARE
3:21:29PM HAVING A SAFETY DISCUSSION ANYWAY.
3:21:32PM SO THAT'S AMENABLE TO ME.
3:21:34PM SO MY MOTION IS THAT TPD COME BACK WITH A SWAT REPORT ON THE
3:21:38PM SHOT SPOTTER PROGRAM AND THE CITY'S RETURN ON INVESTMENT ON
3:21:41PM THIS PROGRAM ON OCTOBER 27, 2022.
3:21:44PM >> SECOND.

3:21:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION BY HURTAK, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
3:21:48PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:21:49PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:21:52PM THANK YOU.
3:21:52PM >> WE WILL BE PREPARED.
3:21:54PM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
3:21:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:21:56PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS, RECREATION, CULTURE
3:21:59PM COMMITTEE.
3:21:59PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BEFORE YOU PULL REPORT ON THAT COMMITTEE
3:22:04PM ITEM 29 HAS BEEN PULLED.
3:22:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE 30 THROUGH 49.
3:22:10PM >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:22:11PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:22:12PM DISCUSSION ON 29?
3:22:17PM I AM GOING TO GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:22:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF.
3:22:22PM IF I COULD JUST STATE, THE COMPANY BY WHICH I AM CURRENTLY
3:22:28PM RETAINED HAS A CONTRACT WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ALTHOUGH WE
3:22:31PM DON'T WORK ON THIS ISSUE, I AM GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF.
3:22:34PM THANK YOU.
3:22:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:22:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS ITEM IS ABOUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT
3:22:48PM BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.
3:22:52PM AND WHEN I READ THIS ITEM, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF HOW, WHEN I

3:22:56PM WAS A KID, AND HOW WHEN MANY OF US WERE KIDS, THAT OUR
3:23:00PM NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL, AFTER SCHOOL, WE COULD GO PLAY ON THE
3:23:02PM PLAYGROUND, IN THE FIELD, ON THE BASKETBALL COURTS, DO IT ON
3:23:08PM THE WEEKENDS, DO IT ALL SUMMER.
3:23:10PM AND NOW WITH THE ADVENT OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, MANY OF THOSE
3:23:13PM OPEN SPACES HAVE BEEN FENCED OFF FOR STUDENT SECURITY.
3:23:18PM BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO UTILIZE THOSE FACILITIES,
3:23:22PM WHICH WAS A BIGGER STRAIN ON OUR PARKS SYSTEM.
3:23:25PM SO I SAW THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND I WAS REALLY EXCITED
3:23:28PM ABOUT IT.
3:23:30PM BUT WHAT I WOULD LOVE, I WOULD LOVE FOR THE PARKS AND REC
3:23:34PM DEPARTMENT TO COME BACK WITH A REPORT ON THE CURRENT LOCAL
3:23:37PM AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD TO INCLUDE
3:23:40PM WHAT CAN BE DONE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF INTERLOCAL
3:23:43PM AGREEMENTS SO CITIZENS CAN UTILIZE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE
3:23:47PM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
3:23:50PM DO YOU HAVE A DATE THAT WOULD WORK FOR YOU?
3:23:52PM >> PARKS AND RECREATION.
3:23:58PM I CAN GET BACK TO YOU.
3:24:00PM I KNOW RECENTLY BACK IN MAY YOU GUYS ACTUALLY APPROVED THE
3:24:03PM GENERAL AGREEMENT AND IN THERE WE DID PUT VERBIAGE THAT
3:24:07PM PARKS AND RECREATION THROUGH MY OFFICE HAS THE RIGHT TO
3:24:10PM REQUEST ADDITIONAL SPACE WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND VICE
3:24:14PM VERSA. SO WE DO HAVE SHARED SERVICE WHERE IS THEY UTILIZE
3:24:17PM OUR FACILITIES, POOLS, CROSS COUNTRY TEAMS, TENNIS TEAMS,

3:24:21PM AND SO WE PUT IN THERE TO ALSO HAVE THAT, TO RECIPROCATE, SO
3:24:26PM THAT WAS ADDED MAY OF THIS YEAR.
3:24:28PM BUT WE WILL GO BACK AND SEE HOW AS YOU MENTIONED WE UTILIZE
3:24:31PM THAT SPACE A LITTLE MORE.
3:24:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALSO, HOW ARE WE UTILIZING IT?
3:24:37PM ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACES.
3:24:42PM >> RIGHT NOW THE NEW TAMPA, SO UTILIZE YOUTH SOCCER, BENITO,
3:24:49PM WE HAVE THE FIELD ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL.
3:24:53PM SO WE USE IT A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE NOT AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD
3:24:56PM LIKE BUT YES, WE DO UTILIZE IT IN A SMALL PART.
3:25:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
3:25:02PM THAT MOTION WILL BE FOR OCTOBER 27, 2022.
3:25:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SEG
3:25:14PM SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
3:25:15PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:25:15PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:25:23PM >> WE DID TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT BUT IT IS THE SAME ONE WE
3:25:27PM UTILIZE FOR TEMPLE TERRACE, PLANT CITY, VERY BROAD, SO THEN
3:25:30PM WE DID OUR COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT DIRECTLY WITH US WITH THE
3:25:35PM CITY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE VERBIAGE OF PARKS AND RECREATION
3:25:40PM DIRECTOR HAS THE RIGHT TO REQUEST SPACE WITHIN THE SCHOOL
3:25:43PM SYSTEM.
3:25:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
3:25:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:25:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANTED TO THANK YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR

3:25:53PM ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON ITEM NUMBER 29.
3:25:55PM I REMEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT AT A COMMUNITY
3:25:57PM MEETING, I THINK IT WAS TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, MS.
3:26:01PM ALEXANDER GILMORE, WHO LIVES IN TAMPA PALMS AVENUE, WHO RAN
3:26:04PM FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2020, IF MEMORY
3:26:08PM SERVES ME RIGHT, SAND A VERY NICE LADY, BROUGHT THIS ISSUE
3:26:12PM UP IN YOUR OFFICE WORKING WITH HER, WORKING WITH TRACY
3:26:18PM FALCOWITZ OF TAMPA PALMS, A PARTNER OVER AT BANCO LOPEZ, SO
3:26:27PM THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY WONDERFUL THING.
3:26:29PM BUT I WANTED TO THANK YOU, YOUR OFFICE AND FOR YOUR
3:26:32PM LEADERSHIP AND HARD WORK, AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR
3:26:35PM POINTING OUT THE GREATNESS OF THIS AND SEEING IT HAPPEN
3:26:37PM ACROSS MORE PARKS IN TAMPA, BUT IT IS A WONDERFUL THING.
3:26:40PM SO THANK YOU.
3:26:41PM >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE KIND WORDS.
3:26:44PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I INDICATED THAT WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A
3:26:46PM REPORT BACK IN 60 DAYS.
3:26:48PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS
3:26:51PM AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AS WELL SPECIFICALLY.
3:26:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE STILL HAVE THIS MOTION THAT WASN'T VOTED
3:27:00PM ON BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
3:27:04PM MANISCALCO.
3:27:05PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:27:05PM IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
3:27:09PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU THEN TAKE 29?

3:27:14PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE RESOLUTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ
3:27:16PM THAT.
3:27:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR.
3:27:18PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:27:20PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:27:21PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:27:22PM THANK YOU.
3:27:26PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, PUBLIC WORKS.
3:27:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 50 THROUGH 70.
3:27:32PM >> SECOND.
3:27:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:27:40PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:27:42PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:27:43PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: 69 AND 70 --
3:27:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY.
3:27:49PM THEN 68.
3:27:50PM APOLOGIES.
3:27:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR?
3:27:52PM OPPOSED?
3:27:52PM THANK YOU.
3:27:53PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FINANCE COMMITTEE.
3:27:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE ITEM 71, 73, 74, 75 HAS BEEN
3:28:01PM DEALT WITH, 76 AND 77, 72.
3:28:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:28:09PM ALL IN FAVOR?

3:28:10PM OKAY.
3:28:13PM YOU WANT TO DISCUSS 76?
3:28:15PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:28:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:28:17PM AND MY QUESTION ON THIS WAS, THIS WAS ABOUT PRINTING AND THE
3:28:22PM MAILING OF UTILITIES BILLS AND I THOUGHT $250,000 IS A LOT
3:28:26PM OF MONEY.
3:28:26PM WE REALLY SHOULD BE SENDING THESE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND
3:28:29PM WHEN I FOUND OUT THERE'S 141,000 UTILITIES EVERY MONTH STILL
3:28:34PM BEING MAILED I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHY, AND JUST SORT OF
3:28:37PM BRING THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL, AND WHAT WE AS A
3:28:40PM COUNCIL CAN DO TO REDUCE THAT.
3:28:43PM >>BRAD BAIRD: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
3:28:50PM WE DO HAVE ABOUT 10,000 OF OUR CUSTOMERS THAT RECEIVE THEM
3:28:56PM ELECTRONIC BILLS, AND THE REMAINDER ARE RECEIVING A HARD
3:29:01PM COPY IN THE MAIL.
3:29:02PM THAT'S ABOUT 7% OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
3:29:06PM THIS PROVIDER, TC DELIVERS, THEY HANDLE BOTH SCENARIOS, SO
3:29:13PM THEY WILL HANDLE OUR ELECTRONIC BILLS AS WELL AS THE HARD
3:29:17PM COPY BILLS.
3:29:18PM AND OUR CUSTOMER MUST HAVE THE MEANS TO RECEIVE THE
3:29:21PM ELECTRONIC BILL AND THEN ASK US FOR IT OR OPT IN.
3:29:25PM SO I DO HAVE GOOD NEWS.
3:29:29PM WE HAVE AN UPCOMING NEW CUSTOMER PORTAL THAT'S CALLED SILVER
3:29:37PM BLADES AND IT SHOULD BE IN PLACE IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

3:29:40PM WE HAD TO POST MONEY IT BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE
3:29:43PM IMPLEMENTED AT THE SAME TIME AS OUR UPGRADE FOR OUR NEW
3:29:47PM UTILITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
3:29:49PM HOWEVER, CIANTA DID NOT HAVE THE LEE SOURCES TO DO BOTH SO
3:29:55PM WE HAD TO POSTPONE A LITTLE BIT.
3:29:56PM HAVING SAID THAT, WE PLAN TO MARKET THE E-BILL OPTION.
3:30:00PM WE REALLY HAVE, WHEN WE GO OUT WITH SILVER BLADES AND WHEN
3:30:06PM WE GO LIVE WITH SILVER BLADES.
3:30:11PM THAT SHOULD CUT DOWN THE COST.
3:30:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
3:30:16PM DID YOU SAY ONLY 10,000 PEOPLE GET THEIR BILLS?
3:30:21PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CORRECT.
3:30:21PM BY E-BILL, YES.
3:30:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND WE HAVE HOW MANY ACCOUNTS?
3:30:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT WAS 7%, SO THAT WOULD BE I THINK YOU
3:30:30PM HAVE ABOUT 150,000 ACCOUNTS.
3:30:33PM AND THAT WOULD BE -- THE ACCOUNTS ARE WATER, WASTEWATER AND
3:30:37PM SOLID WASTE.
3:30:38PM SO SOMETIMES IT'S ONLY THE WATER --
3:30:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
3:30:43PM >>BRAD BAIRD: A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
3:30:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS THINKING 400,000 HOMES.
3:30:50PM WOW.
3:30:51PM OKAY.
3:30:51PM THEN I AM REALLY GLAD ABOUT THIS.

3:30:53PM I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WHEN I GET THAT ONLINE, GETTING AN
3:30:58PM UPDATE ON HOW WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE TO USE THAT SERVICE.
3:31:03PM IT'S SO MUCH FASTER AND EASIER FOR ME.
3:31:07PM BARED BARRED I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SOME
3:31:09PM CUSTOMERS THAT PREFER THE PAPER BILL.
3:31:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE ALWAYS WILL BE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF
3:31:15PM PEOPLE GET THEIR BILLS ELECTRONICALLY.
3:31:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DEMAND GUDES.
3:31:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S A NORMAL THING TO DO THIS, BUT I CAN
3:31:24PM TELL YOU A LOT IN MY COMMUNITIES, THEY PREFER THAT PAPER
3:31:28PM BILL.
3:31:34PM HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I KNOW I GET MY BILL, I KNOW IT'S
3:31:38PM THERE, AND SOMETIMES WITH THE E-MAILS, YOU CAN SEE ALL THIS
3:31:40PM STUFF, YOU PASS IT BY, BUT ANYTHING THOSE WHO WANT IT, A LOT
3:31:48PM OF COMPANIES, THEY KNOW THAT SOME DO AND SOME DON'T.
3:31:51PM SO I DON'T WANT TO FORCE ANYBODY TO DO IT SO WE CAN KIND OF
3:31:55PM GRADUALLY GET THEM TO DO WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO.
3:31:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:31:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN ONLY SPEAK LIKE MR. GUDES, I CAN
3:32:02PM ONLY TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NO INTERNET AND I DON'T HAVE
3:32:04PM ANYTHING BUT THE LOCAL STATION SO I WILL NEVER GET A BILL.
3:32:10PM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:32:11PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, SIR.
3:32:16PM [ LAUGHTER ]
3:32:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO ABOUT 7%.

3:32:19PM WHAT'S THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE, THE UTILITIES ASPIRE TO BE
3:32:26PM LIKE?
3:32:30PM >> I CAN GET THAT FOUR.
3:32:31PM I DON'T HAVE THAT HERE.
3:32:32PM I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE STILL PLENTY OF UTILITIES THAT DO
3:32:34PM NOT HAVE THE OPTION OF E-BILL.
3:32:36PM BUT I CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK WITH THAT.
3:32:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AND IT'S
3:32:43PM NOT A TRICK QUESTION.
3:32:45PM DO YOU THINK A LOT OF CITIES HAVE MORE THAN 50% OR IS IT
3:32:48PM MORE LIKE 20%?
3:32:50PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I WOULD THINK LARGER UTILITIES WOULD TEND TO
3:32:53PM HAVE MORE, ARE MOVING TOWARD E-BILL WHERE SOME OF THE
3:32:56PM SMALLER ONES ARE NOT.
3:32:58PM THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS.
3:33:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
3:33:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING WHEN YOU
3:33:03PM BROUGHT UP THAT.
3:33:04PM MANY MOONS AGO THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN IN MEXICO.
3:33:13PM DO YOU KNOW ONE OF THE SEVEN OR EIGHT COMPANIES THAT HE
3:33:16PM OWNED?
3:33:17PM HE OWNS A MECHANISM OF PAYING YOUR WATER AND YOUR ELECTRIC
3:33:20PM BILL WITHOUT EVER TAKING A METER READING.
3:33:26PM THE METERS WERE DIFFERENT, AND INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, OLD OR
3:33:31PM BRAND NEW HOUSE, WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WHEN YOU MOVED

3:33:34PM IN, IT WOULD HAVE A METER INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, AND WOULD YOU
3:33:38PM PAY YOUR WATER BILL AND THEY WILL TELL YOU HOW MUCH TIME YOU
3:33:44PM HAD LEFT ON WATER AND HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAD LEFT, AND YOU
3:33:48PM WANT TO PAY $50 ON WATER YOU PUT 50 IN AND WHEN YOUR 50 WENT
3:33:53PM OUT YOU KNOW IT WAS COME.
3:33:55PM SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BILL NOTHING, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY
3:33:57PM ANYTHING, AND THIS KID SAID NO.
3:33:59PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:34:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE 72?
3:34:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR, I WILL.
3:34:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:34:10PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:34:12PM THANK YOU.
3:34:13PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAVE BUILDING ZONING AND
3:34:15PM PRESERVATION.
3:34:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE 78 THROUGH 94.
3:34:25PM >> SECOND.
3:34:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I SAY SOMETHING ON AN ITEM, MR. CHAIR?
3:34:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
3:34:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: FOR 87 YOU WILL NOTICE THAT APPROVES META
3:34:34PM POINT BOULEVARD, K-BAR RANCH, FOR THE CONNECTOR THERE.
3:34:38PM THE COMMUNITY OUT AT K-BAR RANCH HAS BEEN WAITING FOR US TO
3:34:42PM PASS THIS FOR A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME.
3:34:45PM AND THIS IS GOING TO SAVE PEOPLE IN THEIR ROUTE TO GO FROM
3:34:49PM K-BAR RANCH INTO PASCO COUNTY AREAS 20, 30 MINUTES A DAY ON

3:34:56PM CERTAIN DAYS.
3:34:57PM SO THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL FOR A LOT OF OUR
3:35:01PM CONSTITUENTS OUT IN THE NEW TAMPA, K-BAR RANCH AREA, AND AS
3:35:07PM SOON AS MR. CHAIRMAN SIGNS OFF ON IT AND AS SOON AS THE
3:35:10PM MAYOR SIGNS OFF ON IT, IT WILL BE OPEN.
3:35:13PM SO THEY ARE VERY MUCH ANTICIPATING THIS.
3:35:15PM IT WAS VERY BRIEFLY OPENED, GOSH, MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO FOR
3:35:21PM OTHER REASONS, AND THE COMMUNITY THOUGHT IT WAS OPENED
3:35:24PM PERMANENTLY.
3:35:25PM THEN IT GOT CLOSED SO THERE WHATS A LOT OF CONFUSION.
3:35:28PM SO PEOPLE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO THIS DAY.
3:35:30PM SO THAT'S ALL.
3:35:31PM JUST WANTED TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF THAT.
3:35:33PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:35:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOING BACK, WHO SECONDED COUNCILMAN
3:35:37PM CARLSON'S?
3:35:39PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:35:43PM JUST SAYING THE LAST THREE ITEMS.
3:35:45PM 92, 93 AND 94 WERE THROUGH CRA.
3:35:49PM HOWEVER, THE CITY COUNCIL STILL HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS.
3:35:54PM SO MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
3:35:57PM MANISCALCO.
3:35:58PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:36:00PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:36:02PM THANK YOU.

3:36:03PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
3:36:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE ITEMS 95 IT THROUGH 98.
3:36:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:36:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:36:11PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:36:13PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:36:14PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:36:18PM THANK YOU.
3:36:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SET ITEMS 99 AND 100 WITH THEIR DATES
3:36:24PM FOR THE RENEW, OCTOBER 6, 2022 ON ITEM 9 AND OCTOBER
3:36:28PM 20th, 2022 ON ITEM NUMBER 100, BOTH FOR 1:30 P.M.
3:36:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:36:37PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: ITEM NUMBER 99 THERE WAS A SUBSTITUTE
3:36:40PM RESOLUTION.
3:36:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE SUBSTITUTE FOR ITEM 99.
3:36:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND ON THE SUBSTITUTE.
3:36:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
3:36:50PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:36:51PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:36:53PM 91 TO 100, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
3:36:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SET ITEM NUMBER 100 OF -- AT 1:30 P.M.
3:37:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:37:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:37:14PM OKAY.
3:37:15PM WE DID OPEN THE 9:30 HEARINGS, CORRECT?

3:37:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
3:37:19PM >> WE SEW WE TOOK CARE OF 101 THROUGH 107.
3:37:32PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:37:32PM WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WHICH ARE NONQUASI-JUDICIAL.
3:37:35PM LET'S GO TO 108.
3:37:36PM FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:37:48PM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS IS THE SECOND READING FOR AN ORDINANCE
3:37:50PM THAT WILL AMEND THE REGULATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
3:37:54PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL TRY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
3:37:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR
3:38:01PM MR. COTTON?
3:38:08PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO 108?
3:38:10PM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
3:38:13PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:38:14PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:38:14PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:38:16PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:38:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM E-2022-8
3:38:21PM CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
3:38:24PM ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
3:38:26PM RELATING TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS
3:38:28PM MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES
3:38:31PM CHAPTER 27 ZONING CODE, AMENDING SECTION 27-43 DEFINITIONS,
3:38:36PM AMENDING SECTION 27-283.11, VEHICLE PARKING, REPEALING ALL
3:38:41PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH

3:38:43PM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:38:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:38:50PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:38:53PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:38:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:38:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:38:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:38:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:38:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:39:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:39:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:39:01PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:39:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 109.
3:39:04PM FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:39:13PM >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:39:14PM THIS IS AMENDING TO THE ALCOHOL REGULATIONS TO SHORTEN UP
3:39:19PM THE TIME FRAME FOR PUBLIC NOTICE DOWN TO 15 DAYS IN THE
3:39:23PM EVENT THAT COUNCIL FINDS HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE IS IN
3:39:27PM DANGER BECAUSE OF A ZONING ISSUE, TAKING PLACE ON THE
3:39:31PM PROPERTY.
3:39:33PM THAT SERVES OR SELLS ALCOHOL.
3:39:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
3:39:39PM SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
3:39:41PM ANY CONTINUE CONTINUES COMMENTS?
3:39:46PM SEEING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

3:39:48PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:39:51PM ALL IN FAVOR? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
3:39:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE BEING
3:40:00PM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF
3:40:03PM THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
3:40:06PM SALES NOTICE TIME FRAME, MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA
3:40:12PM CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 27, ZONING CODE, AMENDING
3:40:16PM SECTION 27-318, EXPIRATION, SUSPENSION, AND REVOCATION OF
3:40:21PM APPROVALS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, POSTING OF NOTICE
3:40:25PM FOR DISCONTINUANCE OF SALES, EVIDENCE OF RESUMPTION OF
3:40:28PM SALES, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
3:40:31PM CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
3:40:33PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:40:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
3:40:41PM GUDES.
3:40:41PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:40:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:40:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:40:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:40:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:40:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:40:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:40:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:40:48PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:40:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

3:40:52PM AGENDA ITEM 110.
3:40:53PM FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:40:57PM MR. COTTON.
3:40:59PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:41:01PM THIS IS THE SECOND READING FOR ORDINANCE ADOPTING GRAYWATER
3:41:07PM AS A RESULT OF A CHANGE IN FLORIDA STATUTES THAT ALLOWS FOR
3:41:10PM BONUS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF
3:41:15PM GRAYWATER AS DEVELOPMENT CLASSES.
3:41:19PM ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
3:41:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
3:41:23PM ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:41:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:41:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
3:41:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:41:31PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:41:36PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:41:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE E 2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:41:43PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
3:41:45PM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA REMITTING TO
3:41:47PM ADDING GRAYWATER AS A BONUS PROVISION MAKING REVISIONS TO
3:41:51PM THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 ZONING AND
3:41:55PM LAND DEVELOPMENT AMENDING SECTION 27-140 BONUS PROVISIONS,
3:41:58PM REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
3:42:01PM THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
3:42:03PM DATE.

3:42:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
3:42:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
3:42:09PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:42:10PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:42:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:42:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:42:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:42:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:42:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:42:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:42:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CITRO, YES.
3:42:21PM >>THE CLERK: METEOROLOGIST CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:42:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NUMBER 111.
3:42:26PM FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:42:31PM >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:42:32PM THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 27 TO AMEND THE DEFINITION
3:42:35PM OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF TO MAKE IT AS THE
3:42:40PM DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
3:42:41PM AGAIN THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO LEGISLATION FROM THE STATE OF
3:42:44PM FLORIDA THAT WOULD HAVE PREEMPTED US FROM DOING DESIGN
3:42:50PM STANDARDS IN DESIGN DISTRICTS.
3:42:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:42:55PM SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO
3:42:58PM COMMENT?
3:42:58PM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY

3:43:02PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:43:03PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:43:06PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:43:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM NUMBER 111, FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER
3:43:12PM 27, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READ BEING AND
3:43:15PM ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE.
3:43:16PM CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
3:43:19PM COMPLIANCE STAFF DRC MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
3:43:25PM CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT,
3:43:28PM AMENDING SECTION 27-43, DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-66,
3:43:33PM INTENT AND PURPOSE, AMENDING SECTION 27-67, DUTIES,
3:43:38PM PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
3:43:41PM ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
3:43:44PM SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:43:45PM >> SECOND.
3:43:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY
3:43:50PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:43:51PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:43:56PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:43:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:43:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:44:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:44:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:44:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:44:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

3:44:05PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:44:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM 112.
3:44:09PM FAIL E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:44:13PM MR. COTTON.
3:44:17PM >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:44:18PM THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 27 AGAIN.
3:44:23PM BASICALLY A CHANGE TO PRIMARILY TO DEFINE WHAT A STREET CAFE
3:44:28PM IS, AS THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WAS IN EFFECT DURING COVID TO
3:44:33PM ALLOW PEOPLE TO USE PARKING SPACES IF THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK
3:44:36PM CAFE PERMIT, THEY CAN EXPAND INTO LIKE THE AVAILABLE PARKING
3:44:40PM SPACES IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS DOWNTOWN OR OTHER PARTS OF
3:44:42PM THE CITY, WHEREVER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
3:44:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
3:44:48PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:44:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:44:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:44:55PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:44:56PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:44:57PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:44:57PM THANK YOU.
3:45:00PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:45:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE FILE NUMBER E-2022-8 CH 27, ORDINANCE
3:45:10PM BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
3:45:12PM ORDINANCE.
3:45:12PM CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO STREET CAFE MAKING

3:45:16PM REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 27,
3:45:20PM ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43,
3:45:25PM DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-127, CLASSES OF SPECIAL USE
3:45:31PM PERMITS, AGENT OR BODY RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH GENERAL
3:45:33PM PROCEDURE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS
3:45:36PM OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
3:45:39PM SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:45:39PM >> SECOND.
3:45:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:45:43PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:45:45PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:45:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:45:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:45:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:45:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:45:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:45:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:45:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:45:53PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:45:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:45:55PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 113.
3:45:57PM FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:46:01PM MR. COTTON.
3:46:03PM >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:46:04PM THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PARKING REGULATIONS TO CODIFY

3:46:09PM REGULATIONS FOR STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
3:46:13PM RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR THOSE KIND OF MIXED USE
3:46:17PM DEVELOPMENTS IN THE STANDARD.
3:46:20PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER
3:46:22PM THEM FOR YOU.
3:46:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
3:46:26PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:46:29PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:46:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
3:46:34PM GUDES.
3:46:35PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:46:35PM THANK YOU.
3:46:36PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:46:37PM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE ITEM OVER-ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
3:46:42PM TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES CITY OF
3:46:47PM TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 ZONING AND LAND
3:46:50PM DEVELOPMENT AMENDING SECTION 27-283.7 NUMBER OF OFF-STREET
3:46:54PM PARKING SPACES, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR
3:46:57PM PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
3:47:00PM SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:47:01PM >> SECOND.
3:47:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED
3:47:06PM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:47:09PM >>CARL BRODY: CARL BRODY, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
3:47:19PM SORRY.

3:47:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
3:47:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:47:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:47:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:47:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:47:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:47:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:47:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:47:28PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:47:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:47:33PM WE NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 114.
3:47:46PM [NO ENCODER] [NO ENCODER]
3:48:01PM >> WE DISCUSSED BACK ON JULY 14th REGARDING THE BAN THE
3:48:05PM BOX.
3:48:06PM WITH ONE MAJOR CHANGE -- NOT MAJOR CHANGE.
3:48:09PM ONE CHANGE.
3:48:09PM AFTER MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, THERE WAS CONCERN REGARDING
3:48:12PM A SECTION THAT ALLOWED FOR AN EXEMPTION.
3:48:18PM BASICALLY A FULL EXEMPTION FOR ANY COMPANY THAT HIRED A
3:48:25PM DISADVANTAGED WORKER.
3:48:26PM THERE WAS CONCERN FROM SOME IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS MIGHT
3:48:29PM BE ABUSED WHEREIN A COMPANY MIGHT HIRE DISADVANTAGED
3:48:34PM WORKERS, GET THE EXEMPTION, AND THEN FIRE THEM.
3:48:37PM WE FIXED THAT BY PUTTING IN A CLOSE-OUT REQUIREMENT.
3:48:41PM SO AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, PRIOR TO RECEIVING FINAL

3:48:47PM PAYMENT, ANY COMPANY THAT RECEIVES AN EXEMPTION WILL HAVE TO
3:48:51PM FILE A FINAL CLOSE-OUT COMPLIANCE REPORT.
3:48:54PM THAT WILL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT THEY DID FOLLOW THROUGH
3:48:59PM ON THEIR COMMITMENT.
3:49:00PM THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE WE HAVE FROM THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE.
3:49:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:49:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:49:06PM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU ALL'S WORK ON THIS.
3:49:08PM I KNOW WE WERE SPEAKING ON THIS CHANGE.
3:49:10PM IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANT TO
3:49:13PM MAKE SURE THAT THIS ORDINANCE PUSHES THIS ISSUE FORWARD WITH
3:49:15PM SOME REAL GOOD RESULTS, AND SO THIS IS GOING TO MAKE SURE
3:49:19PM THAT IF A CONTRACTOR TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THIS AND GETS THE
3:49:21PM EXTRA POINTS THAT WE CAN VERIFY THAT THEY HAVE IN FACT HIRED
3:49:25PM THESE INDIVIDUALS AND COMPLIED WITH THE GOOD POLICY THAT WE
3:49:29PM WANT TO PUT FAD.
3:49:31PM THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT THE REVEREND BERNICE JACKSON WAS
3:49:35PM SPEAKING TO EARLIER.
3:49:36PM THIS IS A VERY GOOD ORDINANCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUT IT
3:49:39PM TOGETHER WITH $150,000 APPRENTICESHIP INVESTMENT.
3:49:42PM WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE COUNTY IS
3:49:45PM GOING TO BE MAKING FOR A TEST PILOT PROGRAM FOR RETURNING
3:49:49PM CITIZENS FOR STATE CERTIFIED APPRENTICESHIPS, REALLY MOVING
3:49:54PM THIS FORWARD.
3:49:55PM SO ALL IN ALL THIS GIVES INCENTIVES TO BAN THE BOX, GIVES

3:49:59PM INCENTIVES FOR CONTRACTORS TO HIRE RETURNING CITIZENS, AND
3:50:01PM THEN COUPLED WITH SUM OF MONEY WE ARE PUTTING FORWARD, THIS
3:50:06PM PUTS FORWARD APPRENTICESHIPS AND TRAINING AND LIFE SKILLS
3:50:10PM FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING PRISON WHO JUST WANT TO WORK HARD
3:50:13PM TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
3:50:15PM YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA FOR ME IS PRO-WORK, IT IS PRO-FAMILY,
3:50:20PM ABOUT ONE IN THREE HOUSEHOLDS, OR ONE IN THREE PEOPLE IN THE
3:50:24PM UNITED STATES HAVE HAD SOME SORT OF CONTACT WITH THE PRISON
3:50:28PM SYSTEM.
3:50:28PM SO THIS EFFECTS SO MANY DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS.
3:50:31PM YOU TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GO, WELL, THIS DOESN'T HAVE
3:50:34PM ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME, BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN PRISON,
3:50:39PM I HAVE NEVER BEEN ARREST OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
3:50:41PM WELL, ODDS ARE THAT IT DOES WITH THAT STATISTIC.
3:50:44PM BUT EVEN ON A BIGGER LEVEL THIS IS AN ISSUE ON WHICH WE AS A
3:50:48PM SOCIETY FAIL MISERABLY, EVERY YEAR ABOUT 700,000 AMERICANS
3:50:53PM ARE RELEASED FROM THE PRISON SYSTEM, AND WITHIN THREE YEARS,
3:50:57PM TWO OUT OF THREE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE REARRESTED.
3:51:01PM THAT'S A FAILURE THAT RESULTS IN BROKEN FAMILIES, BROKEN
3:51:06PM COMMUNITIES, MORE VIOLENCE AND MORE CRIME.
3:51:10PM SO LOCAL GOVERNMENT TAKING STEPS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THIS
3:51:13PM ISN'T SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL LOOKED AT FOR A REALLY LONG
3:51:19PM TIME.
3:51:19PM I KNOW THAT WE LOOKED AT BAN THE BOX AND DID IT FOR THE CITY
3:51:21PM BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TALKED TO THE CONTRACTING

3:51:25PM COMMUNITY AND GO, LOOK, THERE ARE CERTAIN VALUES WE HAVE IN
3:51:27PM THIS CITY, RIGHT?
3:51:29PM AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU INCENTIVES TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
3:51:33PM THAT COUPLED WITH THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM IS GOING TO
3:51:36PM MAKE A REAL STATEMENT BUT I DO WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF
3:51:40PM RETURNING CITIZENS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS
3:51:42PM WHICH IS WHY WE WILL BE LOOKING AT IT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS
3:51:45PM HOW THIS IS GOING AN SEE THE STEPS THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE
3:51:49PM THIS, AND THE POSITIVE EFFECTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN.
3:51:52PM SO AGAIN WE WORKED WITH YOU GUYS FOR A WHILE ON THIS.
3:51:55PM ALSO I WANTED TO MENTION LASTLY, IF I MAY THAT WE HAD SOME
3:51:58PM GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS ON THIS WHO GAVE US THAT VERY GOOD
3:52:01PM INFORMATION FROM THE FLORIDA RIGHTS RESTORATION COALITION,
3:52:05PM WORKING WITH A LOT OF FOLKS INCLUDING MR. NEIL VOLTS, APRIL
3:52:12PM BROWN, AND OUR FRIEND AT THE JEWISH CENTER, INCLUDING MY
3:52:18PM GOOD FRIEND JOE PROBASCO.
3:52:24PM SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
3:52:26PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT A LOT OF PEOPLE
3:52:30PM AND TAKE VALUES BASED STAND ON WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO
3:52:34PM DO.
3:52:34PM THANK YOU.
3:52:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT REALLY A FAN
3:52:40PM OF BAN THE BOX AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REALLY WORKS,
3:52:43PM BECAUSE IF I CHECK THE BOX AND I GO IN, AND I KNOW WHAT THE
3:52:48PM OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE IN THE END.

3:52:51PM IT'S HAPPENED TOO MANY TIMES.
3:52:53PM WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
3:52:54PM I'M GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT THIS NEW PIECE IN THERE
3:52:57PM BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, TOO.
3:52:59PM BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GET ON THE JOB SITE.
3:53:07PM BECAUSE THEY WILL COME IN FOR A DAY OR TWO, AND LET THEM GO
3:53:10PM BECAUSE THEIR INSURANCE CARRIER WON'T ALLOW THEM TO HIRE
3:53:14PM THEM BUT THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO GET THE CONTRACT.
3:53:16PM WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
3:53:18PM TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE HALLWAY.
3:53:22PM SEEN IT MANY TIMES.
3:53:24PM I'M GLAD WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE.
3:53:25PM I'M HAPPY WITH.
3:53:26PM THAT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN SIX MONTHS HOW EFFECTIVE WE
3:53:31PM ARE WITH CONTRACTS.
3:53:32PM WHO IS GOING TO BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR?
3:53:34PM IS THE TRAIN REALLY MOVING?
3:53:36PM EVERY DAY PEOPLE GET LET OUT OF PRISON.
3:53:40PM JUST HAD MY SON -- HE CAME HOME, HE HAD CALL WAITING, A
3:53:48PM CLEANING SERVICE HE'S WORKING WITH SO HE HAD SOMEONE TO HELP
3:53:51PM HIM MOVING RIGHT AWAY.
3:53:53PM MOST OF THEM COME OUT, THEY WENT IN BECAUSE THEY GOT NOBODY,
3:53:56PM THEY COME BACK TO GRANDMA, WATCH THEM ALL DAY ALL THEIR LIFE
3:54:00PM AND STILL GOT NOTHING.
3:54:02PM YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

3:54:03PM SO I AM GLAD THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
3:54:08PM HOPE IT WILL BE A LITTLE STRONGER FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO DO
3:54:12PM CONTRACTING.
3:54:12PM AND FIND A WAY THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH THEIR INSURANCE
3:54:15PM CARRIERS.
3:54:15PM THAT'S GOING TO BE A FACTOR WORKING WITH THE INSURANCE
3:54:18PM CARRIER.
3:54:20PM BUT HOPEFULLY YOU WILL GET SOME THAT WILL WORK WITH US, BUT
3:54:25PM I STILL SAY YOU HAVE TO FIND DOWN THE ROAD SOMETHING TO HELP
3:54:30PM THEM -- TO HELP US TO REALLY MAKE IT WORK.
3:54:32PM YOU KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH.
3:54:34PM NOW IT'S AN ISSUE.
3:54:35PM AND I HOPE THAT YOU ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE I AM
3:54:39PM GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
3:54:40PM BUT WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
3:54:44PM CATALYST TO REALLY MAKING THIS THING REALLY WORK.
3:54:48PM BUT I AM HAPPY TO BRING THIS FORWARD AND MR. VIERA TO KIND
3:54:53PM OF PUSH THIS ALONG.
3:54:55PM BUT I TOLD YOU AS A PERSON THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE, SOME OF
3:54:57PM THE ROADBLOCKS.
3:54:59PM I THINK YOU GOT RID OF ONE OF THEM.
3:55:01PM WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS.
3:55:04PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW WELL WE ARE DONE.
3:55:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD
3:55:13PM LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?

3:55:15PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:55:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:55:18PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:55:20PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:55:21PM THANK YOU.
3:55:22PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WILL YOU READ THE SUBSTITUTE?
3:55:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING
3:55:27PM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF
3:55:30PM THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 5,
3:55:34PM DIVISION 3 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION 2.284 BIDDERS
3:55:38PM CRIMINAL HISTORY SCREENING PRACTICES, SAID AMENDMENT
3:55:42PM PROVIDING FOR THE REVISION OF THE PROCUREMENT EVALUATION
3:55:45PM PROCESS FOR THE PURPOSE MUCH INCENTIVIZING CONTRACTORS, TO
3:55:50PM HIRE DISADVANTAGED WORKERS, REQUIRING CONTRACTORS WHO ARE
3:55:53PM AWARDED PROJECTS AND RECEIVE INCENTIVES IN THE PROCUREMENT
3:55:58PM EVALUATION PROCESS TO SHOW GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO EMPLOY
3:56:01PM DISADVANTAGED WORKERS REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
3:56:04PM ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
3:56:07PM SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:56:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:56:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:56:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:56:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES OH [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:56:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:56:23PM WE ARE NOW GOING TO OUR 9:30.

3:56:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN 115 TO 126.
3:56:31PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I DID HAVE A QUESTION FROM MRS. HAMILTON.
3:56:34PM SHE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WHATS THE INTENT OF COUNCIL NOT
3:56:37PM TO MOVE THE AMENDMENT 3 FOR THE SHOT SPOTTER AGREEMENT UNTIL
3:56:42PM YOU GOT THE REPORT OR DID YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE
3:56:44PM THAT?
3:56:44PM BECAUSE --
3:56:47PM >> WE MOVED IT.
3:56:49PM YES, WE DID.
3:56:51PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THAT.
3:56:52PM THANK YOU.
3:56:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME ANYONE GIVING ANY EVIDENCE
3:56:55PM TODAY OR MAKING ANY COMMENTS, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND TO BE
3:56:57PM SWORN IN?
3:56:58PM (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
3:57:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:57:19PM AGENDA ITEM 115.
3:57:21PM SU-2-22-03.
3:57:23PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:57:28PM ITEM NUMBER 115 IS SU-2-22-03 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
3:57:34PM READING AND ADOPTION FOR 3606 WEST SWANN AVENUE, THE REQUEST
3:57:38PM FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 APPROVING A MEDICAL OFFICE IN RO-1
3:57:42PM ZONING DISTRICT, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.
3:57:44PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS
3:57:46PM WEEK.

3:57:47PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:57:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
3:57:57PM THANK YOU, MS. BARNES.
3:57:58PM >> CLAY MATTHEWS FROM SMOLKER MATTHEWS ON BEHALF OF THE
3:58:03PM APPLICANT, ON A SPECIAL SU-2 APPLICATION, RECEIVED UNANIMOUS
3:58:11PM APPROVAL ON FIRST READING.
3:58:14PM I ASK YOU TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION ON SECOND
3:58:16PM READING.
3:58:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE PETITIONER?
3:58:19PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TO
3:58:22PM THIS?
3:58:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:58:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:58:29PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:58:32PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:58:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE SU-2-22-03.
3:58:36PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:58:39PM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 APPROVING A
3:58:43PM MEDICAL OFFICE IN AN RO-1 RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, ZONING
3:58:47PM DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3606 WEST SWANN AVENUE
3:58:51PM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND AS MORE PARTICULARLY
3:58:54PM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:58:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:58:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
3:59:02PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

3:59:03PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:59:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:59:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:59:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:59:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:59:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:59:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:59:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:59:13PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:59:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM 116.
3:59:20PM FILE REZ-22-26.
3:59:23PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:59:28PM ITEM NUMBER 116 IS REZ 22-26 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
3:59:34PM READING AND ADOPTION FOR 8102 NORTH TEMPLE CREST CIRCLE AND
3:59:38PM 8101 NORTH 39th STREET.
3:59:41PM REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL
3:59:45PM AND CN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR
3:59:48PM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USES.
3:59:50PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER AT CITY HALL THAT WEEK.
3:59:54PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
3:59:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
3:59:58PM PETITIONER?
4:00:01PM HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
4:00:02PM >> YES, SIR, I HAVE.
4:00:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE.

4:00:11PM WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND?
4:00:12PM (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
4:00:21PM >> I DO.
4:00:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:00:22PM PETITIONER, PLEASE PROCEED.
4:00:24PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR?
4:00:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
4:00:28PM >> THANK YOU.
4:00:29PM DUANE MILFORD, 7720 PULLARA DRIVE, ODESSA, REPRESENTING THE
4:00:34PM APPLICANT, AND THIS PETITION HAS BEEN HEARD BY COUNCIL,
4:00:40PM RECEIVED EARLIER APPROVAL, AND I AM JUST HERE TO ANSWER
4:00:43PM QUESTIONS, WE AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HELP WITH
4:00:46PM THIS.
4:00:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
4:00:53PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE MAKE
4:00:55PM ANY COMMENT TO THIS?
4:00:57PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:00:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
4:01:00PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:01:01PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:01:05PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:01:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE REZ 22-26, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
4:01:10PM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
4:01:13PM PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 8102 NORTH TEMPLE CREST
4:01:17PM CIRCLE AND 8101 NORTH 39th STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,

4:01:20PM FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
4:01:23PM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND CN
4:01:27PM COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
4:01:29PM RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
4:01:32PM DATE.
4:01:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
4:01:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED
4:01:38PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:01:39PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:01:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
4:01:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
4:01:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
4:01:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
4:01:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
4:01:47PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
4:01:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
4:01:48PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:01:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:01:54PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER IS 17, FILE REZ 22-37.
4:02:01PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
4:02:02PM ITEM NUMBER 117 IS REZ 22-37 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
4:02:06PM READING AND ADOPTION, FOR 1534, 1604, 1608 AND 1614 NORTH
4:02:12PM NEBRASKA AVENUE, 711, 805 AND 813 EAST HENDERSON AVENUE,
4:02:18PM 1313 EAST ESTELLE STREET AND FOLIO NUMBERS 192 OF 62.0000
4:02:26PM AND 192,619.0000 TO REZONING FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND YC

4:02:36PM 35 TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED
4:02:38PM AND YC-9 YBOR CITY RESIDENTIAL.
4:02:41PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK AT CITY HALL.
4:02:45PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:02:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
4:02:49PM >> RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE.
4:03:05PM WE HAVE MADE ALL CORRECTIONS FROM FIRST READING.
4:03:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO BE SPEAK
4:03:09PM TO THIS?
4:03:13PM MOTION TO CLOSE AND SECONDED.
4:03:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
4:03:18PM ITEM 117, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-37.
4:03:24PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
4:03:27PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IT?
4:03:28PM GENERAL VICINITY OF 1534, 1604, 1608, 1614 NORTH NEBRASKA
4:03:35PM AVENUE, 711, 805 AND 813 EAST HENDERSON AVENUE, 1313 EAST HE
4:03:43PM IS STEEL STREET AND FOLIO NUMBERS 192,662.0000 AND
4:03:52PM 192,619.0000 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
4:03:59PM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
4:04:02PM CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY CG COMMERCIAL
4:04:07PM GENERAL AND YC-5 YBOR CITY RESIDENTIAL TO PD, PLANNED
4:04:13PM DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, AND YC-9
4:04:18PM YBOR CITY RESIDENTIAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:04:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
4:04:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

4:04:24PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:04:25PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:04:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
4:04:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
4:04:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
4:04:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
4:04:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
4:04:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
4:04:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
4:04:35PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:04:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:04:38PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 118.
4:04:40PM FILE REZ 22-38.
4:04:42PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
4:04:47PM ITEM NUMBER 118 IS REZ 22-38, BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
4:04:51PM READING AND ADOPTION, 3201 WEST TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AND 4005
4:04:58PM NORTH LINCOLN AVENUE, THE REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL
4:05:02PM SINGLE-FAMILY AND PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PLANNED
4:05:03PM DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USES.
4:05:06PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY HALL EARLIER THIS WEEK.
4:05:09PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:05:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS TO MS. BARNES?
4:05:13PM SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
4:05:18PM ROW YOU ARE MUTED AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO BE SWORN IN.
4:05:22PM (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

4:05:25PM >> I DO.
4:05:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE PROCEED.
4:05:32PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
4:05:35PM ERIN MAYERS.
4:05:38PM I BELIEVE WE HAVE MADE ALL THE CORRECTIONS REQUESTED FROM
4:05:41PM FIRST READING AND HUMBLY REQUEST APPROVAL IN THE SECOND
4:05:46PM READING.
4:05:46PM THANK YOU.
4:05:47PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:05:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
4:05:51PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS?
4:05:54PM SEEING NONE.
4:05:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:05:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:06:01PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:06:05PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:06:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
4:06:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I APOLOGIZE.
4:06:15PM ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:06:18PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:06:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
4:06:23PM READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
4:06:26PM GENERAL VICINITY OF 3201 WEST TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AND 4005
4:06:31PM NORTH LINCOLN AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
4:06:34PM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

4:06:36PM CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND PD
4:06:40PM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL
4:06:42PM SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:06:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:06:48PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:06:50PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:06:53PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:06:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
4:06:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
4:06:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
4:07:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
4:07:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
4:07:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
4:07:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
4:07:05PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
4:07:08PM MEMBER --
4:07:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE ARE INCLUDING THE BONUS
4:07:13PM PROVISION IN THAT?
4:07:14PM I THOUGHT THERE WAS.
4:07:18PM NO.
4:07:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
4:07:27PM WHERE ARE WE AT NOW?
4:07:28PM 119.
4:07:29PM THERE WE GO.
4:07:30PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

4:07:32PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:07:33PM SORRY.
4:07:34PM I'M MAKE IT UP TO YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:07:41PM INADVERTENTLY.
4:07:43PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 119.
4:07:44PM REZ 22-40.
4:07:47PM REZ 22-40.
4:07:51PM MS. BARNES.
4:07:51PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
4:07:54PM ITEM 119 IS REZ 22-40 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
4:07:59PM ADOPTION FOR 110 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
4:08:01PM THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM OP OFFICE
4:08:05PM PROFESSIONAL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
4:08:09PM MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL STRIP SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING BANK,
4:08:13PM DRIVE-IN USES.
4:08:14PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY HALL EARLIER THIS WEEK.
4:08:17PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:08:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
4:08:24PM PETITIONER.
4:08:27PM >>TRUETT GARDNER: NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
4:08:28PM THIS REZONING AND COMPANION BONUS AGREEMENT WERE BOTH
4:08:31PM UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED ON JULY 21st.
4:08:33PM ALL SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN RESUBMITTED, ALL CHANGES MADE, AND
4:08:37PM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
4:08:39PM MR. GUDES, I HAVE A CONFESSION TO MAKE.

4:08:41PM LIKE YOU I'M OLD SCHOOL PAPER UTILITY BILL GUY, AND SO I
4:08:47PM JUST WANTED TO CONFESS THAT FOR THE RECORD.
4:08:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY HONORABLE, SIR.
4:08:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOT TO TRY BILL PAY.
4:09:01PM [ LAUGHTER ]
4:09:01PM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
4:09:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST ONE.
4:09:06PM I REMEMBER, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY ON THIS FILE, THE
4:09:10PM PARKING RATIO WAS 0.02.
4:09:16PM >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE EXACT RATIO.
4:09:18PM 210 SPACES PROVIDED.
4:09:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK THERE WAS 0.02, AND I BELIEVE IN
4:09:23PM THE PAST THE RATIO THAT UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA USED WAS 0.04.
4:09:29PM I KNOW YOU ALL TALK ABOUT THE SKATES AND ALL THAT.
4:09:33PM I AM GOING TO HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OVERFLOW, NOT
4:09:36PM THAT I AM GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S A
4:09:39PM COMMITMENT YOU MADE.
4:09:40PM YOU SAID THAT SATISFIES YOUR NEED.
4:09:42PM IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THERE'S OVERPARKING, I DON'T KNOW
4:09:45PM WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PARK AT.
4:09:50PM >>TRUETT GARDNER: WE JUST RAN THE ANALYSIS ON THE REVISIONS
4:09:53PM TO THE CBD PARKING CODE WHICH NOW HAS STUDENT HOUSING AS A
4:09:57PM USE, AND IF THIS WAS IN THE CBD, AND I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS
4:10:02PM ACTUALLY FROM A MOBILITY STANDPOINT BETTER AND MORE
4:10:05PM WALKABLE, 58 SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED.

4:10:08PM WE ARE PROVIDING 210.
4:10:10PM SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE NUMBER.
4:10:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OKAY.
4:10:16PM >>TRUETT GARDNER: I APPRECIATE THAT.
4:10:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, BUT JUST TO
4:10:19PM FINISH ANSWERING THAT QUESTION ALSO, YOU ALL HAD LOOKED AT
4:10:22PM OTHER STUDENT HOUSING CENTERS AND HAVE DONE AN EVALUATION ON
4:10:25PM WHAT THE PARKING NEEDS WERE.
4:10:27PM DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE NUMBERS FOR ANY PUBLIC THAT'S
4:10:29PM WATCHING?
4:10:31PM >>TRUETT GARDNER: CORRECT.
4:10:31PM IN PARTICULAR THE SAME DEVELOPER AS THE HENRY DOWNTOWN, LAST
4:10:35PM YEAR THAT WAS MORE OF A FRESHMAN DORM, AND SO THEY WERE
4:10:38PM BASING THEIR NUMBERS OFF OF THAT, AND FEEL LIKE THEY ARE
4:10:42PM OVERPARKED ON THIS DEAL IN COMPARISON TO THE DEMAND THAT'S
4:10:48PM CURRENTLY AT THE FOURTH AND 10RY WHICH IS NOW JUST FRESHMAN,
4:10:52PM IT'S UPPERCLASSMEN.
4:10:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:10:56PM I SEE MS. WELLS.
4:10:58PM >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
4:11:01PM I JUST -- CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
4:11:04PM I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THE BONUS PROVISION
4:11:06PM AGREEMENT WAS NOT APPROVED WHEN THE REZONING WAS APPROVED AT
4:11:11PM FIRST READING AND THE BONUS PROVISION AGREEMENT IS ALWAYS
4:11:14PM DELAYED UNTIL AFTER SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF THE

4:11:18PM REZONING ORDINANCE.
4:11:20PM I JUST WANT TO CORRECT THAT FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU OPEN
4:11:22PM IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
4:11:23PM THANK YOU.
4:11:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:11:28PM I SEE THAT WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
4:11:31PM MR. GOSSEN?
4:11:35PM HE'S HERE WITH US RIGHT NOW.
4:11:37PM >> MY NAME IS SCOTT GOSSEN, THE DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AND
4:11:46PM CONSTRUCTION FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
4:11:48PM I APOLOGIZE WE WERE HERE FOR FIRST READING BUT WE DID NOT
4:11:51PM RECEIVE THE NOTICE AND WERE UNAWARE OF THE FIRST READING SO
4:11:53PM I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
4:11:53PM I HAVE A STATEMENT HERE PREPARED BY DR. VAUGHAN, OUR
4:11:58PM PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY.
4:12:00PM OF A 23-STORY STUDENT HOUSING HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
4:12:05PM LET ME BE CLEAR IN SAYING WE DO NOT HAVE A CONTRACT OR
4:12:09PM AGREEMENT WITH THIS GROUP.
4:12:10PM UNFORTUNATELY THEY DID NOT BRIEF US ON THIS PROJECT.
4:12:12PM BUT THEY HAVE PROPOSED AS A STUDENT HOUSING OR PLANNED
4:12:15PM PARKING.
4:12:16PM WHILE WE THINK MORE APARTMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ARE
4:12:20PM HELPFUL WE ABSOLUTELY OPPOSE SUCH STRUCTURES BEING PROPOSED
4:12:24PM WITHOUT ADEQUATE PARKING.
4:12:25PM THE UNIVERSITY PROVIDES IT'S AUTO AFTER HOUSING FOR FRESHMAN

4:12:29PM AND SOPHOMORE UNITS, WHILE MOST JUNIORS AND SENIORS THEN
4:12:33PM MOVE OFF TO SURROUNDING HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.
4:12:36PM APPROXIMATELY 80% OF ALL U TERRITO UPPER CLASSMEN STUDENTS
4:12:39PM HAVE CARS IN TAMPA BASED ON OUR CAR REGISTRATION RECORD.
4:12:43PM ADEQUATE PARKING FOR FULL TIME STUDENTS WITH CARS MUST BE
4:12:46PM PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER OF ANY HOUSING PROJECT AIMED AT
4:12:49PM STUDENT RESIDENTS.
4:12:50PM IF NOT, THE STUDENT TEN APT CARS WILL CLOG THE AREA STREETS
4:12:55PM AROUND THE PROJECT AND BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD AND CITY
4:12:58PM PROBLEM. IF THE INTENTION OR EXPECTATION IS FOR THEM TO
4:13:00PM PARK ON OUR CAMPUS, COMMUTER STUDENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED
4:13:03PM OVERNIGHT PARKING AND AM CAUSE SERIOUS ISSUES FOR THE
4:13:05PM UNIVERSITY