CITY OF TAMPA
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 1, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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[GAVEL SOUNDING]
09:02:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL MEETING HELD THIS DAY.
WOW, THE FIRST DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2022.
LET'S HAVE -- I AM SORRY, PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION TODAY.
09:03:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS
AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
I HAVE THE GREAT PRIVILEGE TO INTRODUCE A FRIEND OF MINE AND
AN ALUMNI OF TAMPA BAY TECH AND PASTOR TUCKER JOHNSON.
SHE IS A PASTOR OF THE CHRIST CHURCH.
A YOUTH MINISTER.
AND EDUCATED OVER 40 YEARS.
I WORKED WITH HER AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL AND PRESIDENT OF
THE TAMPA JUNETEENTH COALITION AND SERVES AS A STATE
REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE NATIONAL JUNETEENTH OBSERVANCE
FOUNDATION.
THIS MORNING, I GIVE YOU MISS TUCKER-JOHNSON FOR THE
INVOCATION.
[APPLAUSE]
09:03:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
INVOCATION.
09:03:58AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I WILL ASK EVERYONE TO BOW THEIR HEADS FOR PRAYER THIS
MORNING.
ETERNAL HOLY SPIRIT, AS QUESTION COME OF A THRONE OF GRACE
WITH A BOWED HEAD AND HUMBLE HEART.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR OUR MAYOR, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS AND LEADERS AT
EVERY LEVEL OF OUR CITY.
GIVE THEM GRACE TO BRING TRUTH, JUSTICE AND STABILITY TO OUR
REGION.
GIVE THEM POWER TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND RULE IN FAIRNESS.
MAY OUR COMMUNITY BE KNOWN FOR ITS JUSTICE AND THE RESPECT
OF ONE ANOTHER IN OUR DIFFERENCES AND IDEAS.
AND KEEP US, LORD, WITH AN OPEN HEART OF LOVE FOR ONE
ANOTHER.
IN JESUS'S NAME, AMEN.
09:04:38AM >> AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WITH YOU THAT IS A VERY
SPECIAL YOUNG LADY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE HER?
09:04:59AM >> YES.
THANK YOU.
THIS IS OUR JUNIOR MISS JUNETEENTH.
SHE IS 13 YEARS OLD.
THIS IS JERILIS CARMONA, A STUDENT AT YOUNG MAGNET SCHOOL.
09:05:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WELCOME.
YOU WERE THERE WHEN YOU GOT CROWNED.
YOU WILL HAVE A GREAT YEAR.
ENJOY IT.
09:05:19AM >> THANK YOU.
09:05:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL PLEASE.
09:05:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:05:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:05:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:05:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:05:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:05:30AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:05:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL BE JOINING US SHORTLY.
MR. MASSEY.
09:05:36AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.
THIS IS THE SEPTEMBER 1, 2022 MEETING OF THE TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL HELD IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF
OLD CITY HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO ATTEND IN TERN OR VIEW IT ON CABLE
TELEVISION SPECTRUM 640 OR FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 OR VIA
INTERNET, TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE TO THIS MEETING WITH
PUBLIC COMMENT WITH A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES.
EITHER HERE IN PERSON IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR BY WAY OF
COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY, CMT.
USE OF CMT REQUIRES PREREGISTRATION FOR THE CITY'S CLERK'S
OFFICE.
NOTICE IS ON THE IN AGENDA.
AND CAN PARTICIPATE IN QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS BY CMT AND
SMARTPHONES AND CELL PHONES ARE NOT COMPARTABLE BECAUSE DO
NOT ALLOW YOUR CAMERA TO HAVE ACCESS.
YOU MUST HAVE A TABLET OR COMPUTER EQUIPPED WITH A CAMERA
AND MICROPHONE THAT ENABLE TO YOU BE SEEN AND HEARD BY CITY
COUNCIL AND ALL OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN THE QUASI JUDICIAL
MANNER.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE RULES AND TO HAVE PARTICIPATION
BY CMT?
09:06:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY, OUR AGENDA REVIEW.
CEREMONIAL WHICH IS NUMBER ONE.
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES WHICH OUR CHIEF IS HERE AND WILL BE
GIVING A FEW BRIEF WORDS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE WILL BE AMERICA THAT.
EXCELLENT.
NUMBER FOUR.
OKAY.
NUMBER FIVE.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO CONTINUE ITEMS 6 AND 7 TO NOVEMBER 3.
09:07:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 6 AND 7 TO
NOVEMBER 3 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:07:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVORITE FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
OKAY, VERY GOOD ON THAT ONE.
NUMBER 9?
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I THOUGHT YOU WOULD WANT TO CHECK THAT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10?
I HAVEN'T HEARD WHERE MR. CARLSON IS RIGHT NOW.
09:08:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BETTER HOLD THAT.
09:08:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 11?
OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S.
NUMBER 12?
COUNCILMAN GUDES -- OCTOBER 6.
09:08:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CONTINUE.
09:08:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
09:08:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:08:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, YES.
WE CAN PULL THAT.
ABSOLUTELY.
09:08:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 14, AND THAT IS COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
09:08:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:08:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE WILL ALSO BE HAVING SOMETHING SUBMITTED
PULLING UP NUMBER 36 IN WHICH WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS WITH
THE CHIEF.
AND 14.
OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE --
09:09:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT UNTIL 10:30.
09:09:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHERE AM I AT ON HERE?
A COUPLE THAT NEED TO BE STRICKEN BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT BE
HEARD.
09:09:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:09:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:09:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AFTER CEREMONIALS --
09:09:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE YOU DOWN FOR THAT.
YES, SIR, I HAVE YOU DOWN FOR THAT.
YES, SIR?
09:09:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE THAT 53 WILL BE MADE A MOTION
OR DISCUSSION ANYWAY REGARDING THE -- FIRST ONE ON THE
AGENDA --
09:09:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
53 TO BE THE FIRST ONE ON THE AGENDA AT
9:30.
09:09:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
09:09:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
RIGHT AFTER STAFF REPORTS.
MERIDIAN MIRANDA THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YES, SIR.
09:09:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE GETTING THERE.
OKAY, GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR MOTION.
09:09:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 60, A REQUEST TO CONTINUE
THAT TO SEPTEMBER 15.
09:10:04AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK WE HAVE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC
HEARING AT 1:30.
09:10:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM SORRY.
09:10:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE WE GOOD ON THE AGENDA.
09:10:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
09:10:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:10:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
LET'S BEGIN WITH YOUR CEREMONIALS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.
09:10:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.
09:10:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TAKE YOUR TIME.
09:10:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
INTRODUCE THE HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE
THAT COMES BEFORE US EVERY YEAR.
THEY WILL LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION INVITING US TO GREAT
EVENT.
09:10:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, I AM MELISSA MARTINEZ, I AM THE CHAIR FOR
THE HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE.
AND WE ARE HERE TODAY TO EXTEND THIS INVITATION TO THE
HISPANIC CELEBRATION.
34th YEAR CELEBRATING HISPANIC HERE IN TAMPA THE CELEBRATION
WILL BE ON OCTOBER 11 AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING.
IT IS GOING TO BE -- WE WILL BE BACK TO TAMPA THEATRE.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN THERE SINCE, UNFORTUNATELY, COVID, BUT
ANTICIPATE TO GO BACK THERE.
OUR GUEST SPEAKER IS BENITO LOPEZ.
A SCIENCE TEACHER.
AND THE EDUCATOR OF THE YEAR AWARD.
FROM RUMBA 106.5 WILL BE THE EMCEE AND TAMPA BAY FLAMENCO
GROUP WILL PROVIDE ENTERTAINMENT.
THIS EVENT IS FREE TO THE PUBLIC AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE
YOU THERE.
THANK YOU.
09:11:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:11:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
34 YEARS THEY ARE DOING THIS -- NOT THAT
I HAVE BEEN HERE 34 YEARS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER
THAN I HAVE.
BUT YOU REPRESENT THE HISPANIC HERITAGE VERY WELL.
[SPEAKING SPANISH]
09:12:06AM >> GRACIAS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:12:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE PROMOTE DIVERSITY IN THE CITY.
I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL EVENTS WITH THE ORGANIZATION DURING
CHRISTMAS TIME.
AND LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING BACK TO IN-PERSON.
I TOLD MY AIDE, CT, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT ON THE
CALENDAR.
09:12:29AM >> FOR SURE.
09:12:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:12:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATULATIONS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
PARTICIPATING FOR FIRST TIME.
AND CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING BACK TO PERSON.
REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
09:12:40AM >> THANK YOU.
09:12:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:12:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS.
WELCOME BACK.
YOU MENTIONED BEFORE COVID, WE HAVEN'T MET THERE.
ALWAYS A WONDERFUL EVENT AND CELEBRATION.
I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE AND YOUR COMMITTEE AND ALL THE
WORK YOU DO AND HOW YOU REPRESENT THIS COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE TAMPA WAS BUILT BY IMMIGRANTS.
YOU KNOW MY PARENTS ARE BOTH IMMIGRANTS.
MY MOTHER IS A CUBAN REFUGEE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA'S FAMILY ALSO FROM CUBA.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE -- THE SOLID FOUNDATION THAT
THIS COMMUNITY HAS.
AND YOU KEEP THE -- YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP THE HERITAGE ALIVE.
AND KEEP IT GOING.
SO WE ARE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS AND WE LOOK FORWARD
TO ATTENDING.
09:13:21AM >> THANK YOU.
09:13:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:13:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOU DO.
I AM PROUD OF MY CUBAN-AMERICAN AND HISPANIC HERITAGE.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS.
PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THINK THEY HAVE HISPANICS NAILED SO TO
SPEAK OF WHAT WE BELIEVE, WHO WE ARE.
ETC., ETC.
YOU HAVE THREE HISPANICS IN THE ROOM YOU WILL HAVE 12
DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON CERTAIN THINGS.
THE THINGS THAT UNITE HISPANICS ARE LOVE OF COUNTRY.
WE ARE VERY PATRIOTIC.
APPRECIATIVE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN.
HARD WORK.
WE APPRECIATE HARD WORK.
FAMILY, WE VALUE FAMILY.
AND FAITH.
WE ARE PEOPLE OF FAITH.
I KNOW THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE FOR MY FAMILY.
SO JUST THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND HERE ON
COUNCIL, WE TRY TO DO THINGS TO LAUD OUR HISPANIC HERITAGE.
WE ARE WORKING TO HELP MARTI WHICH IS A SMALL PART OF OUR
HISPANIC HERITAGE.
THANK YOU.
09:14:25AM >> GRACIAS.
09:14:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:14:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IMMIGRANTS BLYTHE BUILT HERE AND BY THE
ENGLISH COLONIES AND THE SPANISH COLONIES.
RECOGNIZE ALL THE HISTORY GOOD AND BAD, BUT THE COLONIZATION
AND THE HISPANICS THAT HELPED BUILD OUR RICH COMMUNITY.
A LOT THE BEST PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY INCLUDING THE CUBAN
SANDWICH IS BY HISPANICS DESPITE WHATEVER THE HISTORIANS
SAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO AND LET US KNOW
INDIVIDUALLY AND TOGETHER HOW WE CAN HELP.
09:15:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FESTIVALS, ONE OF THE CELEBRATIONS THAT I
WAIT FOR ALL YEAR.
WHEN I JUST MOVED TO TAMPA IN '74, THE FIRST TASTE OF THE
HISPANIC CULTURE WAS YBOR CITY AND THEN WEST TAMPA.
WITHOUT THE HISPANICS AND OTHER MINORITIES THAT CAME TO THE
TAMPA AREA, THIS CITY WOULD NOT BE WHAT IT IS TODAY.
I THANK YOU FOR CELEBRATING THE HISPANIC HERITAGE.
ON THE FOOTNOTE, ONE OF THE BEST THINGS I SAW AT YOUR
CELEBRATION WHEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TOOK COUNCILMAN CAPIN'S
HAND AND THEY STARTED DOING THE SALSA LIVE ON STAGE.
ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AND I CAN'T WAIT TO BE THERE.
09:15:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DOES THAT MEAN YOU WILL BE MY PARTNER
THIS YEAR?
09:15:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ONLY IF I CAN LEAD.
ONLY IF I CAN LEAD.
[LAUGHTER]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:16:03AM >> THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY.
09:16:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF.
I AM GETTING WAY AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE.
AT THIS TIME WE WILL BE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
YOU ARE ALREADY UP.
I HAVE BEEN OVERRULED.
09:16:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION TO MAKE TO
ONE OF OUR OWN.
WHERE IS MICHEL?
BRING MICHEL IN, PLEASE.
WHERE IS MISS TONYA AND THE REST OF THE CREW?
MISS SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS, GOOD MORNING AGAIN.
MY DISTINCT PLEASURE -- WELL, I AM SADDENED THAT WE ARE
LOSING ONE OF OUR OWN, ONE IN OUR OWN HOUSE, MICHEL MATOS.
SHE HAS BEEN WITH US WORKING HARD THROUGH COVID, WORKING
HARD EVERY DAY WHEN WE NEED PEOPLE TO WORK FOR US.
SHE IS MOVING ON TO BIG BLUE.
BETTER BE CAREFUL OVER THERE.
IT'S A DIFFERENT PLACE.
BECAUSE WE LOVED YOU HERE.
BUT EVERYBODY WANTS TO VENTURE OUT AND LEARN NEW THINGS AND
DO THINGS.
THAT'S WHAT BEING AN EMPLOYEE IS ABOUT, OPPORTUNITY WITHIN
THE CITY.
SO YOU -- DO YOU.
BE YOU.
SMILE LIKE YOU ALWAYS SMILE.
BUT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO GO BECAUSE WE KNOW
TODAY IS YOUR LAST DAY, SO WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING
SPECIAL.
KIND OF CHOKED UP BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A SOLDIER
WITH ME STANDING BESIDE ME SO I AM A LITTLE CHOKED UP
KNOWING THAT YOU ARE LEAVING US.
BUT I KNOW YOU ARE ACROSS THE WAY THOUGH.
IN RECOGNITION OF YOUR PROMOTION AND APPRECIATION OF YOUR
HARD WORK AND DEDICATED SERVICE TO BOTH THE CITY AND TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL.
MICHELLE HAS BEEN A GREAT TEAM PLAYER.
DURING THE PANDEMIC ONE OF THE KEY PLAYERS TO HELP OUR
OFFICE TRANSITION SWITCH WALLY.
MICHELLE IS AN AWESOME PERSONALITY.
YES, SHE DOES.
ALWAYS EAGER TO HELP AND GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE
THAT TASKS ARE COMPLETED IN A TIMELY MATTER.
ALWAYS WILLING TO HELP.
MICHEL, WE APPLAUD AND COMMEND YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT WORK
THAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND BEST WISHES IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS ON THE FIRST DAY OF
SEPTEMBER 2022, PRESENT MICHEL MATOS THIS ACCOMMODATION
HONORING YOUR PROMOTION AND WISH YOU CONTINUED SUCCESS IN
FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
I WILL DO ONE THING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I MAKE A MOTION.
09:19:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SURE.
09:19:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN I HAVE A SECOND.
I AM MAKING A MOTION.
A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION.
09:19:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR -- MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED.
I DON'T THINK SO.
09:19:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MISS SHIRLEY -- LET THE BOSS LADY COME AND
SPEAK AND THEN LET YOU SPEAK.
MISS SHIRLEY.
09:19:29AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL MISS MICHEL.
SHE HAS BEEN WONDERFUL.
AND I WISH HER ALL THE BEST ON HER TRAVELS UPWARD.
YOU WILL DO WELL.
09:19:41AM >> THANK YOU.
09:19:44AM >> AND WE ARE GOING TO MISS HER A LOT.
[APPLAUSE]
09:19:54AM >> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING PATIENT WITH ME DURING MY LEARNING
PHASE.
THE CITY CLERK, THE CITY COUNCIL.
ALSO, I WILL MISS THE NIGHT MEETINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL MISS IS DOING ROLL CALL, MENTIONING
MIRANDA AND MANISCALCO.
[LAUGHTER]
AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT, YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:20:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:20:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:20:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID WORK WITH
US.
YOU WERE A REAL SUPERSTAR AND FANTASTIC WORKING WITH YOU.
I CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE WANT TO HIRE YOU AWAY.
ISSUE THE BEST.
09:20:36AM >> I OWE IT TO SULING LUCAS.
09:20:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:20:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR BRING THIS
FORWARD.
THAT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL.
YOU AND I GET ALONG AND JOKE AND SOMETIMES WE EVEN GOSSIP,
BUT I ALWAYS ENJOYED MY TIME WITH YOU.
YOU ARE A VERY NICE PERSON.
09:20:53AM >> THANK YOU.
09:20:54AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW YOU WILL DO A GREAT JOB WITH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN COMMON, INCLUDING OUR KIDS
GO TO THE SAME HIGH SCHOOL.
THERE YOU GO.
09:21:02AM >> THANK YOU.
09:21:03AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:21:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:21:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US.
I KNOW IT IS NOT EASY.
YOU ARE HERE DAY IN AND DAY OUT THROUGH COVID.
WHEN WE WERE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
WHEN WE WERE HERE.
WHEN WE WERE VIRTUAL.
YOU KNOW, YOU AND THE ENTIRE CLERK'S OFFICE, WE CAN'T DO IT
WITHOUT YOU -- WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU.
AND WE SINCERELY WILL MISS YOU.
YOU ARE WONDERFUL.
AND I WISH YOU NOTHING BUT SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE AND WE ARE
TRULY GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE -- THAT YOU HAVE BEEN HERE WITH
US.
AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK
09:21:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:21:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATULATIONS.
09:21:44AM >> THANK YOU.
09:21:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DID FOR ME
HELPING ME SETTLE IN.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
YOU TOOK TIME.
AND, AGAIN, I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATED YOU
TELLING ME THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN SO I FINALLY
GET IT.
THANK YOU.
09:22:01AM >> THANK YOU.
09:22:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
INCREDIBLY PROUD OF YOU FOR SEARCHING FOR NEW
OPPORTUNITIES AND NEW CHALLENGES.
IT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY YOUR PERSONALITY AND I KNOW YOU WILL GO
VERY FAR.
AND I AM VERY EXCITED FOR YOU.
WE WILL MISS YOU, BUT I AM PROUD OF YOU FOR JUST GOING AND
TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I THINK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.
AND I WISH YOU BEST IN ALL YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS AND I AM
SURE WE WILL STILL SEE YOU.
YOU ARE JUST NEXT DOOR.
09:22:32AM >> ONE STEP AWAY.
09:22:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:22:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MICHEL, AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW YOU AND
WORK WITH YOU FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
I REMEMBER WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED AND YOU WERE A LITTLE
NERVOUS.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED I WAS IN A BABY CRIB.
SO I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU HAVE A MANNERISM OF WHICH YOU CAN HANDLE THINGS WITHOUT
BEING UPSET.
THAT IS THE FIRST THING YOU DO WHEN YOU HANDLE PEOPLE -- IN
THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
YOU WORK WITH A VERY GREAT CITY CLERK AND I AM SURE SHE
TAUGHT YOU A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE TAUGHT YOU.
IT TAKES PATIENCE AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MISTAKE AND
AN ERROR.
I WILL LET YOU FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.
THAT IS WHAT MY OLD BASEBALL COACH TOLD ME.
AND WHAT IT IS ABOUT, YOU WORKED HERE AND YOU GOT -- THE
DIFFERENCE IS EVERYTHING COMING TOGETHER.
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT WORK IN YOUR POSITION.
SEVEN MEMBERS, THE PUBLIC SPEAKING AND EVERYTHING GOING ON
AT ONCE AND YOUR RECORDS MUST BE ACCURATE.
WHERE YOU ARE GOING NOW THEY HAVE TO BE SUPER ACCURATE
BECAUSE THEY WILL END UP IN COURT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
YOU ARE GOING FROM A LITTLE FIRE TO A FOREST FIRE.
BUT -- I DON'T MEAN THAT IN ANY DISRESPECTFUL WAY, BECAUSE
THERE IS MUCH, MORE INTENSE AND MUCH, MORE PROFESSIONAL THAT
YOU HAVE TO BE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHO YOU ARE.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
09:23:53AM >> SANTO DOMINGO.
09:24:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MADAM CLERK.
09:24:08AM >> I WILL NOT -- DO NOT PUT ME ON TV.
I KNOW YOU ALWAYS CREDIT ME, BUT I WILL HAVE TO SAY THE
CREDIT GOES TO YOU.
YOU HAD THE DETERMINATION TO WORK HARD.
YOU HAD THE DETERMINATION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GOT IT
RIGHT.
YOU TOOK -- TOOK CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND YOU MADE SURE
YOU IMPROVED YOURSELF DAY AFTER DAY.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING A TEAM PLAYER AND ALWAYS HAVING MY
BACK.
09:24:32AM >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:24:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS MICHEL, IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE TO
WORK WITH YOU.
I ALWAYS ENJOYED YOUR SMILING FACE WHEN YOU CAME IN.
YOU ALWAYS GAVE ME A HEY!
[LAUGHTER]
YOU HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND.
CONGRATULATIONS FOR TAKING THAT NEXT STEP.
PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU GOT OTHERS FOLLOWING YOU.
HELP THEM GO UP THAT LADDER TOO.
MICHEL, THANK YOU.
09:25:06AM >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:25:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW EVERYBODY IS HERE.
NOW EVERYBODY IS HERE.
ALL RIGHT, CHIEF.
09:25:51AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
09:25:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SOMEBODY THROWS YOU OFF -- OKAY, NOW AT THIS
TIME WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THOSE WISHING TO GIVE ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC COMMENT THIS
MORNING, WILL YOU PLEASE FORM A LINE TO MY LEFT, TO YOUR
RIGHT.
GOOD MORNING.
09:26:10AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ONCE AGAIN, GIVING HONOR TO THE MOST HIGH AND ALL OF YOU IN
YOUR PROSPECTIVE PLACES.
PASTOR JOHNSON TUCKER WITH THE JUNETEENTH COALITION.
AUGUST 2022 DURING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING I WAS DELIGHTED
TO HEAR THE WORDS THAT JUNETEENTH WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE
CITY'S BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
I STAND BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TODAY WITH GRATITUDE FOR
YOUR VOTE ON JUNETEENTH BEING RECOGNIZED IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS A HOLIDAY OF CELEBRATION.
I WANTED TO RETURN TO BRING CLARITY TO MY POSITION IN
BRINGING JUNETEENTH TO THE FOREFRONT OF SIGNIFICANCE SO THAT
ALL IS UNDERSTOOD, BECAUSE TAKING ON THESE MISSIONS CAN
CAUSE A PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE TO BE SKEWED.
WITH EVERYTHING DECISION WE MAKE IN LIFE, THERE IS ALWAYS A
CONNECTION TO OUR STORY AND/OR OUR EXPERIENCES.
THE IMPORTANT OF GAINING PERSPECTIVE FOR VOICING A NEED OF
THE HOLIDAY'S PERSPECTIVE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND SITUATIONS
FROM OTHER POSITIONS.
THIS GIVES US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND GREATER EMPATHY.
HELPS TO REDUCE BIASES, JUDGMENT AND CONFLICT.
HOWEVER, WHEN THE PERSPECTIVE IS CONNECTED TO A STORY THAT
DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU, THEN THE PERSPECTIVE CAN BECOME A
TRUTH, A SENT THE NECESSARY INFORMATION TO GIVE TRANSPARENCY
OF ANY SOLUTION AGREEABLE TO THE ACTUAL CHARACTERS WHO LIVED
THE STORY.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE CELEBRATED HOLIDAY OF FREEDOM IS
GRANTED, SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE TO WORK.
THAT IS COSTLY.
NOW I HAVE A GREATER EMPATHY OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE; HOWEVER,
YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY STORY.
SO WHILE THIS IS TRUE, THAT -- THERE ARE THOSE WHO WILL
STILL HAVE TO WORK.
OKAY.
THOSE EMPLOYEES WILL STILL GET PAID.
THEY ARE STILL COMPENSATED.
THEN FOR THE ABUSE CHARACTERS IN THE STORY, A PERSPECTIVE
MAY MANIFEST AS AN INSULT THAT WE ALL PAY TAXES.
WE ARE ASKED THE QUESTION.
DID NOT THE ENSLAVED PAID THE TAX WITH THEIR LIVES,
CHILDREN, GRANDPARENTS.
PERSPECTIVES CONNECT TO PERCEPTIONS.
WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN.
EVERYONE'S PERCEPTION IS THEIR REALITY.
AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA BAY JUNETEENTH COALITION, A
SPECIAL THANKS TO YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR BEING A MAJOR
VOICE OF ATTENTION IN THIS MATTER.
COUNCILMAN JOE CITRO, A SPECIAL THANKS TO YOU BECAUSE YOU
ALWAYS SUPPORTED US THE MISS JUNETEENTH PAGEANT OF WHICH YOU
NEVER MISSED ONE.
WE THANK YOU.
WE THANK THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR VOTE.
AND WE ARE ALSO WITHOUT -- I DON'T WANT TO BE REMISS WITHOUT
SAYING THANK YOU TO MAYOR JANE CASTOR AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ARE GRATEFUL.
THANK YOU.
09:29:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:29:05AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
ONE THING I WANT TO SAY UHURU.
IT MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI AND WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD
ALWAYS BE THINKING OF OUR FREEDOM, THE LAST 362 YEARS IF YOU
WANT TO USE RECOGNIZABLE TIME PERIOD, WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE
INTERNATIONALLY HAVEN'T BEEN FREE.
FAR FROM FREEDOM.
NO SELF-DETERMINATION.
WE HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED.
ALL OVER THE WORLD -- WE HAVE BEEN SHIPPED ALL OVER THE
WORLD TO WORK AS SLAVES.
AND WE CONTINUE TO BE IN THAT POSITION RIGHT NOW TODAY.
SO WHEN YOU TALK OF RACIAL PROFILING, WHEN YOU SEE AN
AFRICAN PERSON BEING ABUSED.
WHEN THE POLICE CAN RUN UP ON YOU AND DO ANYTHING, BIKING
WHILE BLACK, DRIVING WHILE BLACK, WALKING WHILE BLACK.
GETTING OFFENDED WHEN COMMON WHITE CITIZENS CAN ACCOST YOU
IN A CERTAIN WAY THAT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE, HEY, AM I A HUMAN
BEING?
DO I HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS?
HUMAN RIGHTS?
DO I HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WHEN WHITE PEOPLE SEE YOU
WITH A SIGN OR SEE YOU WITH A SHIRT ON AND THEY TRY TO ACT
AS IF THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACT.
WELL, THE RACIAL PROFILING COMES ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S A LEVEL
OF EXPECTATION THAT THEY HAVE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE THAT WE ARE
NOBODY.
WE ARE NOTHING.
WE ARE SCUM.
WE ARE LESS THAN HUMAN BEINGS.
WE ARE 3/5 OF A HUMAN BEING.
HOWSOEVER THEY WROTE IT DOWN, HOWSOEVER THEY
INTELLECTUALIZED IT AND INTELLECTUALS PUT IT IN THEIR BRAINS
AND FEED IT DOWN TO THE PEOPLE.
DISCONNECT US FROM BEING A FREE AND DETERMINANT PEOPLE.
DISCONNECT US FROM REALITY AND HAVE US THINKING ALL KIND OF
STUPIDNESS.
WHO IS THE BEST DANCER.
WHO IS THE BEST BASKETBALL PLAYER.
AS THE WORLD PASSES BY.
WHITE PEOPLE IN THE UKRAINE LOOKING AT NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS
AND BUILDING NUCLEAR ENERGY AND GOING TO THE MOON AND
PLANNING TO GO TO MARS ON SATURDAY, BLACK PEOPLE ARE
WONDERING AROUND HERE HOW TO SURVIVE.
AND SO IT IS TIME UNTIL YOU SEE -- WHEN YOU SEE THE ABSENCE
OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. AND MALCOLM X AND EVERS AND
GARVEY AND QUEEN MOTHER MOORE AND FANNY LOU HAMER AND
PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
THE BLACK PANTHER, NEWTON, THE AFRICAN PEOPLE SOCIALIST
PARTY.
WHEN NONE OF THAT, PLAQUE PEOPLE HAVE NO REPRESENTATION.
YOU SEE BLACK PEOPLE BEGGING EVERYWHERE YOU GO.
WHEREVER YOU GO YOU SEE BLACK PEOPLE BEGGING AND IN THIS
CITY THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE.
WE NEED SOMEONE FOR OUR DISTRICT, A REPRESENTATIVE THAT WILL
REPRESENT AFRICAN PEOPLE.
WHO WILL TALK ABOUT REPARATION.
WHO WILL TALK OF BLACK POWER.
WHO WILL TALK OF CAPITALISM AND WHAT CAPITALISM HAS DONE FOR
AFRICAN PEOPLE.
WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP BEGGING.
DON'T NEED TO SEE A WITH A BILLION BUDGET -- TRILLION DOLLAR
BUDGET -- BILLION BUDGET WHERE WE ARE 26% OF THE POPULATION
AND WE GET NONE OF IT.
THAT HAS TO CHANGE.
THANK YOU.
09:32:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS.
09:32:24AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU TO DO HELP MAKE TAMPA A FANTASTIC
CITY.
I AM CHARLENE HARTFORD, PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTH SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION, WHICH BORDER FROM DR. MARTIN
LUTHER KING, JR. BOULEVARD TO HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, THE WEST
SO SIDE OF FLORIDA RIVER AND THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT BEGAN IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER IN THE 300 BLOCK OF
WEST CREST AVENUE.
SINCE IT BEGAN, NOT ONE PORTION OF ENTIRE PROJECT HAS BEEN
COMPLETED.
NOT ONE CONSTRUCTION DEADLINE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED WITHOUT
DELAYS.
AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE 300 BLOCK OF WEST CREST AVENUE HAVE
ENDURED THE UNENDURABLE.
THE MEANS WISCONSIN THE ORIGINAL ROADWORK DIGGING UP THE
ORIGINAL STREETS INTO THE NEIGHBORS' RIGHT-OF-WAYS, PLACING
THE YOUR MAINS, SANITARY SEWERS, CAUSED MULTIPLE HOMES TO
SUFFER VARIOUS CONSTRUCTION -- EXCUSE ME, STRUCTURAL DAMAGE.
INEXPLICABLY -- THE 300 BLOCK OF WEST CREST AVENUE IN SIX
OCCASIONS FLOODED LIKE A RIVER THAT CAUSED ONE VEHICLE TO B
COMPLETELY SUBMERGED UP TO ITS HOOD.
ANOTHER WHERE A CITY WORKER TOLD THE GENTLEMAN TO BACK OUT
OF HIS DRIVEWAY.
THERE WAS AN UNFORESEEN WEAKEN IN ROAD AND HE WAS BURIED UP
INTO THE AXLE.
WE HAVE A SWEET NEIGHBOR ON THE SAME STREET WITH MULTIPLE
SCLEROSIS.
SINCE THIS PROJECT BEGAN, SHE HAS HAD HER RIGHTS UNDER THE
AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACTED REPEATEDLY IGNORED AND
VIOLATED.
HER RIGHT TO INDEPENDENT MOVEMENT VIA HER SCOOTER HAS BEEN
VIOLATED BECAUSE SHE CAN'T ALMOST EVERY DAY GET OUT OF HER
DRIVEWAY SINCE NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
WORST OF ALL, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE
ORIGINAL PROJECT DESIGN THAT IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTED --
UNACCEPTABLE.
WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF OUR STREET ALSO BEING USED AS THE
WORKE' PERSONAL TRASH CAN.
IGNATIUS LINEAR PARK IS A BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACE NARROW
ALONG THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH BRIDGE --
HILLSBOROUGH BRIDGE TO -- ALL THE WAY DOWN TO -- SORRY --
SOUTH STREET.
SEVERAL BLOCKS.
NEAR THE MIDDLE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL PARK, THE CITY APPROVED A
LARGE CONCRETE STORM SEWER TRASH COLLECTION OUTFALL TO BE
INSTALLED.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL RENDERING OF THAT DESIGN.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 20 X 20 FOOT.
THE RENDERING SHOWS IT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED FLUSH TO THE
GROUND AND SURROUNDED BY GRASS, BUT SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY
UNILATERALLY APPROVED A CHANGE NOW THAT MONSTROSITY PROCEEDS
UPWARDS OVER TWO FEET ALONG THIS NARROW STRETCH OF LAND AND
WILL HOST CONCRETE PAVERS FROM RIVER BOULEVARD TO THE
STRUCTURE.
THE PROJECT TEAM SUGGESTED IT WOULD BE A GREAT ART
INSTALLATION.
THIS IS DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
I AM SORRY -- I THOUGHT HE SAID I WAS DONE.
09:35:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
30 SECONDS MORE.
09:35:47AM >>THE PROJECT TEAM SUGGESTED IT WOULD BE A GREAT ART
INSTALLATION.
NO AMOUNT OF ART IS GOING TO LESSEN THE IMPACT OF THIS
EYESORE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PARK.
FINALLY THE WIDTH OF CREST AVENUE DOES NOT MEET THE CITY OF
TAMPA MINIMUMS FOR DRIVABLE LANES.
EACH LANE SHOULD BE NINE FEET.
AND THEY ARE ASKING OUR COMMUNITY TO DRIVE UPON THE ACTUAL
CURBING BY IS NOT ACCORDING TO TRAFFIC ENGINEERS THE WAY YOU
WANT PEOPLE TO DRIVE ON THE ROADS.
THE WIDTH SHOULD ONLY BE MEASURED ON THE ASPHALT.
A FOOT SHORT ON THIS STREET CONTRARY TO CITY AND STREET
STANDARDS.
THE WHOLE OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS NEED TO SEE SOMETHING IF NOT
ANYTHING COMPLETED.
THE 300 BLOCK OF WEST CREST SHORTLY FOLLOWED BY THE 200
BLOCK AND SEE THAT THIS CONSTRUCTION MEETS CITY STANDARDS
AND FULFILLS THE PROMISE TO RETAIN OUR GREEN SPACE
IN IGNATIUS LINEAR PARK.
THANK YOU.
09:36:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
I SEE MISS DUNCAN.
I AM SURE SHE IS TAKING NOTES AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT
COMPANY.
I KNOW WE HAD COMPANIES THAT FAIL BY THE WAYSIDE, SO IF YOU
WILL GIVE AN UPDATE.
09:36:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:37:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE WILL BE TALKING
ABOUT THIS ON ITEM NUMBER 9.
WE ALREADY HAVE IT COMING UP TODAY.
09:37:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU ARE NOT AS A TEAM?
YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK SEPARATELY.
MR. KEYPORTS.
09:37:17AM >> TIM KEYPORTS, PRESIDENT OF THE OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
ASSOCIATION.
TO FOLLOW UP WHAT CHARLENE JUST SHARED WITH YOU, I WOULD
LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONAL COLOR TO THE COMMENTARY.
NUMBER ONE, PUTTING HOMEOWNERS AT RISK.
NO WATER, NO NOTICES, BROWN WATER.
IF WE CAN HAVE THE SLIDE PRESENTED.
THIS IS WHAT GREETS SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS OCCASIONALLY
WITHOUT ANY KIND OF A DOOR HANGER AND THAT IS WHAT THEY WAKE
UP TO IN THE MORNING.
THAT IS WHEN THE WATER IS WORKING.
FAILING TO PROVIDE THE DOOR HANGERS FOR ACCESS TO THE
RESIDENCES ARE IMPEDED.
AS CHARLENE CHAIRED, WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO ARE
WHEELCHAIR-BOUND AND THEY WILL COME UP IN THE MORNING AND
CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT BLOCKING THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
WE HAVE SIX DRIVEWAYS FOR MORE THAN A WEEK, THE RESIDENTS
WEREN'T GIVEN ANY NOTICE AND HAD THEIR CARS STUCK IN THE
DRIVEWAYS AFTER THE STREET WAS DRUG UP.
FAILURE TO PROVIDE ANY KIND OF A SMOOTH WALKING PATH FOR
RESIDENTS, IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE, IT IS A WORK ZONE, BUT NINE
MONTHS PLUS.
THE RESIDENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY FED UP WITH THIS POINT.
FLOODING OF STREETS THAT NEVER FLOODED PRIOR.
WE CHECKED, WE ASKED SPECIFICALLY DID THE STORMWATER SYSTEM
GET SHUT DOWN.
THE ANSWER WAS YES.
AND THEN THE ANSWER WAS NO.
IF YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY RIGHT HERE THAT IS ONE OF THOSE
FILTRATION DEVICES.
THE PROBLEM IS AS CHARLENE POINTED OUTS, WE GET THE HEAVY
RAINS DURING SUMMERTIME, ALL OF THE SILT IMMEDIATELY CLOGS
THOSE AND YOU HAVE MASSIVE FLOODING AND EROSION OF
RESIDENTS' YARDS.
NUMBER TWO, OSHA VIOLATIONS.
THESE WERE REPORTED BY A RESIDENT WHO WAS AN ENGINEER.
NO ON-SITE NELSON EMPLOYED SAFETY SUPERVISION.
CONTINUOUS ON THE JOB EMPLOYEES.
FLAGGERS.
I STOPPED AND ASKED THE FLAGGERS.
THEY SAY HEY, IT IS MY FIRST DAY.
I SAY YOU SHOULD TALK IN YOUR WALKIE-TALKIE AND TALK TO THE
GUY DOWN THERE AS THE FRONT -- A RESIDENT SHOULD NOT BE
TRAINING A NELSON EMPLOYEE.
EMPLOYEES HANGING OFF OF EQUIPMENT FOR FUN.
EMPLOYEES NOT WEARING BOOTS ON THE JOB SITES CARRYING THEIR
BOOTS AND WALKING AROUND IN THEIR SOCKS.
RESOLUTION.
THE CITY CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR MEET WITH NELSON IN AN ALL
HANDS NELSON EMPLOYEE MEETING TO ADDRESS THESE SAFETY
ISSUES.
INCREASED COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS.
THIS RESIDENT WAS TOLD THEIR DRIVEWAY WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE.
LATER THEY WERE TOLD -- AN EXAMPLE OF GOOD COMMUNICATION.
THEY DID RECEIVE THIS MESSAGE FROM THE CITY AND THE PROJECT
TEAM SAYING SORRY, YOU ARE NOT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS YOUR
DRIVEWAY.
WE ASK FOR A WEEKLY NEWSLETTER OF PROGRESS.
THAT IDEA WAS REJECTED.
THEY SAID WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR A NEWSLEATHER.
CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION ISSUES.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS.
THESE GIGANTIC CULVERTS SIX TO EIGHT FEET TALL ARE
PREPOSITIONED THROUGHOUT THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
CENTRAL AVENUE.
THAT BLOCK HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR OVER NINE MONTHS.
YOU SEE OF THEM THAT SAY CRACK, DAMAGE -- MAY I ASK FOR AN
ADDITIONAL 30 SECONDS.
09:40:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
30 SECONDS.
NEEDS TO GO BACK AND READ THEIR OWN CONTRACT.
CONTRACT SECTION 4117-J SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE
DELIVERY OF MATERIALS ON AN ON-NEEDED BASIS OF PREPOSITIONED
INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
CULVERTS LIKE THIS THAT ARE NOW SITTING ON CENTRAL AVENUE,
WHICH IS NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WAS SUPPOSED TO START A
YEAR AGO AND DELAYED FOR A YEAR.
WE NOW HAVE BARRELS LIKE THIS IN THE ROADWAY BECAUSE
RESIDENTS CAN'T SEE AROUND THESE CULVERTS AS THEY ARE TRYING
TO GET TO WORK OR COME HOME EVERY DAY.
LACK OF RESPECT FOR RESIDENTS.
BEING CATCALLED IN THEIR SPECIFIC HOMES IS RIDICULOUS.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A TEXT THAT WAS SHARED WITH ME.
EMPLOYEES -- THIS IS PROBABLY NUMBER TWO ISSUE -- EMPLOYEES
LEAVING GARBAGE THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
GO AHEAD.
WE UNDERSTAND IT IS HOT.
IT IS FLORIDA, BUT THIS IS A CONSTANT REFRAIN.
WE ASKED NELSON AT THE PRECONSTRUCTION, DURING CONSTRUCTION,
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS BEEN AT MEETINGS AS HAS COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, WHERE WE PLEADED WITH NELSON, CAN'T YOU GUYS
HAVE SOME TRASH BAGS OUT THERE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
HERE IS WHAT WE GOT RESULTS.
NO WATER BOTTLES BUT WE WILL EAT ON-SITE AND LEAVE OUR TRASH
IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
WE ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES TO HAVE THE JOB SITE CLEANED UP
DAILY.
CONSTRUCTION ON I-275 AN EXAMPLE HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE.
TEAMS THAT WALK THROUGH THE JOBSITE AND CLEAN UP THE TRASH
BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT FDOT BLOWING THINGS AROUND WITH THE
CARS.
THIS IS NOT HAPPENING.
THIS WAS LAY THERE FOR THREE DAYS.
MAYBE THE GUY WAS DRYING HIS GLOVES OUT, BUT IF THAT WAS MY
FRONT YARD.
I HAVE TWO MORE PAGES OF TESTIMONY AND I DON'T THINK IT IS
APPROPRIATE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA AS STAFF REPORT, A
WRITTEN STAFF REPORT.
I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL DIG INTO THIS A LITTLE
DEEPER, HAVE NELSON COME.
HAVE MR. CALLOWAY THE CITY OF TAMPA CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR
WHO DID PROVIDE US A CONTRACT AFTER THE REQUEST WAS DENIED.
WE WENT BACK AND GOT THE CONTRACT AND WE ARE GOING THROUGH
IT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
CITY KNOW THIS IS NORMAL PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
09:42:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIRMAN.
AS THE GENTLEMAN HAS SAID, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND I HAVE
BEEN OUT SO SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
I GO TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ALMOST DAILY.
NOW WITH FLORIDA AVENUE CLOSED, NEW COMPLAINTS ARE FROM
BUSINESS OWNERS.
TRUCKS JUST PARKED EVERYWHERE
I GET IT.
IT IS A CONSTRUCTION ZONE, BUT THIS IS AFFECTING BUSINESS.
SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECTING THE RESIDENTS.
EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID.
THIS IS A NIGHTMARE SCENARIO.
I ALREADY WORKED WITH THE RESIDENTS OFF WEST SHORE WHEN THE
STREETS WERE TORN UP AND THEY HAD ISSUE WITH CUT-THRU
TRAFFIC AND ALL THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS EVERYWHERE.
BUT IT WASN'T AS BAD AS THIS.
TRASH EVERYWHERE.
BAD ATTITUDES FROM THE WORKERS.
SO MANY COMPLAINTS SAYING PLEASE HELP US.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT IS LIKE TO LIVE THERE.
I GET IT, A PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT NINE MONTHS
OF MISERY.
CHILDREN LEAVING THERE.
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
PEOPLE UNABLE TO GET AROUND.
I UNDERSTAND A CONTRACTOR THAT WE HIRED BUT A REPRESENTATION
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT THERE DOING OUR
WORK.
AND YOU KNOW WE MET AND OTHER ISSUES WITH RIVER CREST AND I
HAD OTHER MEETINGS AND TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND WHAT
NOT.
WE HAVE TO HELP THESE INDIVIDUALS.
FLORIDA AVENUE, DIRECTLY AFFECTING PEOPLE'S POCKET BOOKS.
09:44:20AM >> MAY I MAKE ONE FINAL COMMENT.
I WILL COMPLIMENT THE MAYOR.
SHE WENT WAY OUT OF HER WAY AND WENT TO EVERY BUSINESS
EFFECTED BY CLOSURE OF FLORIDA AVENUE WHICH IS A THREE-WEEK
CLOSURE OF A MAJOR ROAD PARALLELING I-275.
WENT INTO EVERY BUSINESS WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER,
LAP SEGUNDA, SPOTTY COFFEE SHOP OR THE OTHER WONDERFUL
BUSINESSES WE HAVE AND ENCOURAGED PEOPLE FROM TAMPA TO
PLEASE GO AND SPEND THEIR DOLLAR.
COMPLIMENTS FOR THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF FOR HAVING THE
FORESIGHT TO DO THAT AND PUT IT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
THANK YOU.
09:44:56AM >> ONE VERY LAST BRIEF COMMENT, SIR.
09:44:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD.
09:45:00AM >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD THIS UPHEAVAL
SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2021.
WE ARE ONLY ASKING YOU -- WE NEED COMPLETION.
NOTHING TO SHOW FOR ALL OF OUR PAIN.
09:45:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER -- COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:45:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
PICTURE IS WORTH 1,000 WORDS.
WHAT YOU BROUGHT US HERE IS A LIBRARY.
SO I -- I ADMIRE YOU COMING IN AND DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING,
BOTH OF YOU.
WE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:45:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:45:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ALSO WANT TO SAY.
MAYBE SOME OF IT FALLS UNDER PUBLIC WORKS AND JEAN MAY BE
HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
MR. KEYPORTS TALKED OF CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
I HAVE BEEN WANTING A REVAMP OF CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION
MOSTLY BECAUSE OF LACK OF COMPETITIVE BIDS AND WE NEED TO
PROVIDE MORE OVERSIGHT OF HOW THESE FIRMS ARE CHOSEN AND ONE
OF THE PROBLEMS IN SOUTH TAMPA IS WITH THE BONDING AND I
SHOULDN'T ASK FOR THE CONTRACTS TO BE CHANGED OR ALTERED
PAUSE WE HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR BECAUSE A CONTRACTOR DEFAULT.
WE NEED MAJOR REVAMP OF CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, SINCE THE
GENTLEMAN BROUGHT IT UP.
I WANT TO REMENTION.
09:46:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS THAT WANT TO MAKE
PUBLIC COMMENT?
I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO ON LINE.
MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU WITH US?
09:46:42AM >> YES, SIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
09:46:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, I CAN.
09:46:46AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
THAT IS A HOT MESS.
SHAME ON NELSON BUT AMAZED THAT FOLKS FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
HAVE TAKE THIS SO LONG.
NEWSWORTHY FAILURE OF THE SYSTEM BY THE VENDOR ON THIS
PROJECT.
CITY STAFF SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE THE FIRST
COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT IS A SAD, SAD DAY.
AS T.H.A.N. PRESIDENT, I COMMUNICATION WITH A LOT OF
NEIGHBORHOODS OF THEIR COMMUNITIES.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ARE BECOMING MORE ACTIVE AS THE
GROWTH IN OUR CITY HAS EXPLODED IN THE PAST THREE YEARS
SINCE I FIRST CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
T.H.A.N. HAS BEEN RAMPING UP TO EDUCATE OUR LEADERS ON HOW
TO BEST DEAL WITH DEVELOPMENT.
THE BEST LAND USE ATTORNEYS IN THIS TOWN ARE REACHING OUT TO
THE NEIGHBORHOODS BEFORE THEY BRING ANY OF THEIR PROPOSALS
BEFORE COUNCIL.
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE A FEW WHO MIGHT DO WELL TO FOLLOW SUIT.
I HONESTLY BELIEVE I HAVE A FIFTH-GRADE UNDERSTANDING OF
LAND USE WITH THE ASPIRATION OF EVENTUALLY GETTING TO MIDDLE
SCHOOL.
I FIND THAT OTHERS NO -- KNOW LESS THAN I DO.
I CAN'T ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT T.H.A.N. MEMBERS ASK.
CITY STAFF DOES AN AMAZING JOB OF ACCOMMODATING OUR
QUESTIONS.
EVEN THOUGH WE -- AND WE EVEN HAVE A ZONING 101 COURSE BEING
PLANNED FOR THE T.H.A.N. MEMBERS IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT WE
DEFINITELY NEED AN OMBUDSMAN TO HELP US WITH THESE ISSUES.
OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE NEED THAT -- A PERSON WHO
CAN BE THE POINT OF CONTACT WHO CAN HELP US WITH THIS.
NOT JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER THAT IS GLAD-HANDING WITH US,
BUT SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT LAND USE TO HELP US
AND SUPPORT US IN OUR UNDERSTANDING SO WE CAN BRING
COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE BEFORE COUNCIL WHEN IT IS
NECESSARY.
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR PROPOSING THE ONE PAGER
OF THE CHEAT SHEET OF BUDGET ITEMS.
I LOVE SNAPSHOTS OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
WE ALL READ THE BACK OF A BOOK BEFORE WE DECIDE IF WE WANT
TO READ IT OR NOT AND THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE WITH
THESE BUDGET ITEMS.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, OUR COUNCIL NEEDS A SECONDARY ATTORNEY
TO SUPPORT THEM AS WE HAVE SEEN FROM MR. SHELBY'S ACTIONS,
THERE SHOULD BE SOMEONE WHO IS UP TO SPEED AND READY TO STEP
IN AT ALL TIMES.
MR. MASSEY HAS DONE A FABULOUS JOB, BUT HE HAS OTHER ROLES
AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
MICHEL, YOU WILL BE MISSED BY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
09:49:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE MR. MORRISON.
09:49:27AM >> COUNCIL, GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS BOB MORRISON.
I AM ACTUALLY HERE FOR ITEM -- AGENDA NUMBER 48, SO I WILL
RESERVE ANY COMMENTS.
09:49:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. MORRISON.
09:49:46AM >> THAT ITEM IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND TO SET THE PUBLIC
HEARING.
IF MR. MORRISON HAS ANY COMMENTS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
09:49:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MORRISON, NOW WILL BE YOUR TIME TO MAKE
COMMENTS.
09:49:56AM >> I HAVE NO COMMENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:49:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
09:50:01AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, PUBLIC, JOHN BENNETT
OVER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 WITH SEVERAL SUBCOMPONENTS OF ITEM
2.
MOST HAVE BEEN MEMORANDUM TO YOUR OFFICES BEFORE TODAY BUT
ONE ADD-ON THAT CAME THROUGH.
AND FOR SUPPORT COUNCILMAN GUDES REQUEST OVER PARKING RATE
INCREASES, I HAVE MISS DUNCAN PLANNED ROGERO HERE AND
THOUGHT WE WOULD HANDLE THAT IF THAT IS THE COUNCILMAN
GUDES.
09:50:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I GOT SEVERAL CALLS OF THE LIGHTING
SITUATION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS AN INCREASE THAT ALREADY HAPPEN AND
THERE WERE SOME ISSUES.
I WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT IT IS.
09:50:58AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
GOOD MORNING, JEAN DUNCAN, INFRASTRUCTURE AND
MOBILITY.
YES WE HAD ANOTHER.
A SECOND PARKING GARAGE INCREASE.
BACK IN 2019, WE WORKED AT THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP
TO DEVELOP A PARKING STRATEGY THAT WE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL
THAT INCLUDED ONE COMPONENT WHICH WAS RATE INCREASES.
THE RATE INCREASES ARE SERVING A NUMBER OF PURPOSES FROM THE
STRATEGY PERSPECTIVE.
WE ARE WORKING TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE WITH THE MARKET.
WE ARE WORKING TO GET MORE TURNAROUND TIME ON ON-STREET
PARKING AND LONGER-TERM IN OUR GARAGES.
REVENUE ISSUES TO ADDRESS WITH THE PARKING DIVISION FUNDS
AND WE ARE WORKING ON A SUSTAINABILITY OPPORTUNITIES TO
INVEST IN OUR TECHNOLOGY FOR OUR GARAGES AND MAKE A MICRO
MOBILITY AND OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE AS WE STRATEGIZE WITH
THE GARAGE ASSET.
THAT IS A LONG WAY OF SAYING WE HAD A STRATEGY THAT INCLUDED
PARKING RATE INCREASES, SPECIFICALLY ON THE WHITING STREET
GARAGE.
RATE IS $77.15.
IT IS GOING UP TO $92.40.
THE SURROUNDING LOTS IN THAT AREA ARE AT $175 PER MONTH.
SO, AGAIN, STILL A BARGAIN FOR THAT PARTICULAR GARAGE.
WE HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE OTHER GARAGES.
VERY COMPETITIVE DOLLARS AS WELL AS AS FAR AS THE FEES.
WE ALSO DEVELOPED A MICROMOBILITY MASTER PLAN TO WORK TO
ALIGN THE -- WHAT WE CALL FIRST MILE, LAST MILE OPTION SUCH
AS BIKE SHARE AND SCOOTERS TO ALIGN THOSE WITH THE PARKING
ASSETS AT THE DOWNTOWN AREAS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO SAVE DOLLARS ON YOUR
PARKING ALLOWANCE PER MONTH, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO PARK IN THE
OUTER RINGS OF THE DOWNTOWN AND TAKE ANOTHER OPTION INTO THE
CORE SUCH AS A SCOOTER OR BIKE SHARE.
AGAIN PART OF A BIGGER PLAN TO BRING SOME BALANCES TO
SUSTAINABILITY OR PARKING.
WE DO NOTIFY OUR CUSTOMERS 30 DAYS AHEAD OF TIME IF THERE IS
AN INCREASE.
WE DON'T EXPECT ANOTHER INCREASE FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR
AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO INFORM THE COUNCIL AHEAD OF TIME ON
THAT SO YOU ARE ANTICIPATING ANY CHANGES THAT MAY BE COMING
WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
WE ONLY GOT THREE CALLS FROM THIS PARTICULAR GARAGE FROM OUR
CUSTOMERS SO IT WEREN'T -- IT WASN'T ON OUR RADAR AS A BIG
CONCERN.
ONE LAST ITEM UNDER THE UNION CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
WE ADDED IN A PARKING STIPEND FOR OUR UNION EMPLOYEES AND
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE MAYOR, WE HAVE
EXPANDED THAT TO OUR OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE NOT IN
THE UNION
SO THEY HAVE NOW A STIPEND THAT THEY CAN SPEND TO HELP WITH
ANY PARKING FEES THAT THEY HAVE IF THEY ARE WORK THE
DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS THAT REQUIRE PAID PARKING.
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
09:54:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GLAD WE DID THAT BECAUSE AN ISSUE IN
REFERENCE FOR EMPLOYEE WHO MAY BE AN AREA WHERE PARK AND
DON'T PAY AND OTHERS HAVING TO PAY.
I APPLAUD YOU WITH THAT EFFORT WITH THEIR PAY.
AGAIN, IF THERE IS ANOTHER RATE INCREASE IN A YEAR, WE WANT
TO BE NOTIFIED WAY BEFORE THE INCREASE COMES SO PEOPLE CAN
LOOK AT THEIR BUDGETS AND GOVERN THEMSELVES ACCORDINGLY.
IF YOU ARE SAYING THE AVERAGE LOTS ARE $175 AND WE ARE AT
$92.40.
A BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO THINGS ARE GOING UP.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS SO THE PUBLIC KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT HAPPENED.
09:54:45AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, SIR.
JUST ANOTHER LITTLE FACT.
WE HAVE 522 FOLKS FOR THE WHITING STREET GARAGE WAITING TO
GET IN THAT GARAGE TO PARK.
AND MOST OF OUR GARAGES HAVE A WAITING LIST.
THERE IS A SUPPLY AND DEMAND FACTOR IN THIS AS WELL.
09:55:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT IS THE STIPEND FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
09:55:04AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I BELIEVE IT IS $40 PER MONTHS.
YES.
09:55:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GLAD WE DID SOMETHING VERSUS NOTHING.
09:55:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:55:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST NOW, YOU TALKED OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND
AND LAST WEEK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT UP THE POSSIBILITY
OF NEW GARAGES.
WITH THE RATE INCREASES, ARE THE EXISTING GARAGES PROFITABLE
OR STILL LOSING MONEY.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH.
AND ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO BUILD ANY NEW GARAGES.
09:55:34AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT WE ARE IN THE
BLACK.
WE HAVE -- DENNIS MAYBE ADD MORE DETAILS TO THAT.
BUT WE ARE TAKING IN MORE THAN WE ARE PAYING OUT.
THOSE DOLLARS WE ARE PRIORITIZING FOR DIFFERENT INVESTMENTS,
LIKE I SAID, IN PARKING APPLICATIONS, TECHNOLOGY FOR THE
GARAGES AND OTHER PURPOSES.
ALSO MAINTENANCE AT THE EXISTING GARAGE STRUCTURES TO MAKE
SURE THEY ARE SAFE AND STRUCTURALLY SOUND FOR THEIR PURPOSE.
WE ARE UTILIZING THE MONEY WE ARE TAKING IN TO DEVELOP THE
PHYSICAL SYSTEM AND THE OPERATIONS AS WELL.
09:56:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
I THINK DENNIS WAS GOING TO ANSWER --
09:56:22AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
AND GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT.
IN THE LAST DECADE, PARKING DEPARTMENT NEEDED A SUBSIDY FROM
THE GENERAL FUND AND NOT WHERE AN ENTERPRISE FUND NEEDS TO
BE.
THESE PLANNED INCREASES ARE PART OF MAKING AND MAINTAINING
THEIR RESILIENCY AS MISS DUNCAN SAID NOT ONLY FOR INCREASING
COST BUT FOR PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS AS SHE SAID IN THE FUTURE.
THEY ARE ON A VERY LEVEL FOOTING NOW.
THESE PLANNED RATE INCREASES TO CONTINUE TO PUT THEM ON VERY
LEVEL FOOTING.
09:57:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
09:57:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:57:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THE EDUCATION FOR ALL OF US ON
THE PLAN FOR PARKING.
AND I DO LOVE THE IDEA OF PUSHING PARKING TO THE OUTSIDE,
BUT I DO KNOW THAT HART IS TALKING OF A DOWNTOWN CIRCULATOR.
SO I WOULD LOVE IT -- AND YOU MIGHT ALREADY BE DOING THIS --
THINKING OF HOW -- FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY HOW WE CAN
MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STOPS MIGHT BE ALONG THOSE PARKING SO
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET ON A SCOOTER IN THEIR WORK CLOTHES
YOU KNOW, DRAGGING BAGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND JUST FOR EVERYONE, BUT ESPECIALLY OUR EMPLOYEES.
I THINK THAT WILL BE WONDERFUL IF WE CAN CONNECT THOSE --
09:57:49AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I THINK IT IS A GREAT SUGGESTION.
IT IS IN DEVELOPMENT.
I WASN'T SURE THIS MORNING HOW FAR THEY HAVE GOTTEN WITH
THAT, BUT WE WILL BE INVOLVED IN THAT AND WEIGH IN ON THOSE
COMMENTS.
GOOD SUGGESTIONS TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CIRCULATOR CAN
ACCOMMODATE THE CERTAIN STYLES.
09:58:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU SO AS MUCH.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF -- OF GROUND TO -- TO MAKE UP
IN TERMS OF PARKING.
AND GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE DOWNTOWN CORE WHICH IS WILDLY
DIFFERENT THAN SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO I KNOW IT IS A DIFFICULT THING TO DO, BUT I APPRECIATE
THE EXPLANATION AND I LOVE THE FACT WE ARE GIVING A STIPEND
TO FOLKS WHO NEED TO BE IN THE CITY.
THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF THOSE FOLKS.
APPRECIATE IT.
09:58:31AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THANK YOU.
09:58:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THAT UP.
DID WE HAVE AMPLE PARKING IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE WITHIN TWO PHLOX OF WHERE
PEOPLE NEED TO GO.
LET'S HOPE THIS ONE CENT TAX GOES THROUGH.
I AM SURE THAT HART WILL PUT A FEW CIRCULATORS DOWNTOWN THAT
WILL HELP PEOPLE GET FROM WHERE THEY ARE PARKING SPACE IS TO
WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:58:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM GOING TO TAKE A HISTORY COURSE REAL
QUICK.
THE REASON WE GOT INTO THAT, THIS CITY -- MAYOR AND THIS
COUNCIL, ONE OF THE ONLY GARAGES THAT WAS MAKING A PROFIT 20
SOME YEARS AGO AND STARTED A DOWNFALL.
AND NOT THIS COUNCIL, NOT THIS MAYOR FROM 6:00 ON FROM
KENNEDY SOUTH, THEY GAVE IT AWAY.
SO WHEN YOU GIVE THINGS AWAY TO HELP PEOPLE, IN ESSENCE, YOU
HURT OTHER PEOPLE DOWN THE ROAD AND THE CAN CAME TO US AND
HERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:59:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL, IF YOU WILL FORGIVE ME ON THIS.
WHILE MISS DUNCAN IS HERE, WHY ISN'T THE CITY CHARGING
FOR EV HOOK-UPS WITHIN OUR OWN GARAGES?
09:59:43AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THAT IS PROBABLY A NATIONAL QUESTION.
BECAUSE WE ARE IN A TRANSITION OF WANTING TO EVOLVE TO A
DIFFERENT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY.
TERMS OF OUR VEHICLES.
ANY TIME YOU HAVE A BIG, HUGE TRANSFORMATION WE ARE IN THIS
GRAY AREA WHERE DOES THE MARKET COME IN.
WHERE DOES MARKET COME IN IT TERMS OF WHO OWNS WHAT.
WHO WILL PROFIT WHAT.
THERE ARE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT
PAYING FOR PEOPLE'S ELECTRICITY.
THE OTHER SIDE IS, WE CAN'T GET OVER THE HUMP OF THAT
TRANSITION UNLESS WE HAVE HELP TO GET THERE.
I DON'T HAVE A REAL SIMPLE ANSWER FOR THAT.
I AM TRYING TO SAY WE ARE IN TRYING TO BE IN THE MOST
PRAGMATIC HELPFUL POSITION THAT WE CAN AS WE WORK THROUGH
THIS TRANSITION.
10:00:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MY LINE OF QUESTIONING I OWN A ELECTRICAL
VEHICLE AND I GO IN THE GARAGE AND SEE THAT ELECTRICAL TESLA
THAT HAS BEEN PARKED THERE ALL DAY AND EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE
AND I DAMN WELL KNOW THEIR CHARGING HAS BEEN COMPLETED FOUR
HOURS EARLIER AND I STILL CAN'T PARK THERE.
10:00:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH YOU.
I HAVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAT I DO NOT DRIVE THE LAST FEW
MONTHS PRIMARILY WHAT HE SAID, YOU GO BY AND SEE IT ALL
FULL.
I PUT MY OWN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM AT THE HOUSE AND I CHARGE MY
OWN CAR.
10:01:15AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE CAN DO A BETTER WITH TURNOVER IN OUR EV
STATION.
BECAUSE SHOULD BE A SHARED OPPORTUNITY.
10:01:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S HOPE THERE IS SOMETHING WHERE A
MESSAGE OR TEXT GETS SENT TO THE VEHICLE OWNER SAYING YOUR
CAR IS FULLY CHARGED.
PLEASE MOVE IN.
10:01:30AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
OR WE WILL -- NO, JUST KIDDING.
[LAUGHTER]
10:01:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MISS DUNCAN.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS DUNCAN?
10:01:44AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THANK YOU, YOU ALL.
10:01:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF, YOU WANT TO BRING UP 14?
10:01:52AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
IF I CAN FOLLOW THE ORDER ON THE MEMO.
IS THAT FAIR?
I WANTED TO TALK OF THE NONAUDIT SERVICE, THE HEAD OF 14 AND
36, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE.
10:02:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO RIGHT AHEAD.
10:02:08AM >> ABOUT A YEAR AGO -- I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILMAN
CARLSON ON HIS CONTINUED WORK OF MAKING BUSINESS CASES AS
WELL AS FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY.
BUT ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I SAW A FLOW OF EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT
ITEMS COMING THROUGH MY OFFICE.
AND WE SEND THOSE TO COUNCIL AND A LOT OF TIME IT IS
RETROSPECTIVE AWARENESS.
I HAD ASKED CHRISTINE GLOVER'S OFFICE TO DO A NONAUDIT
SERVICE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY THIS THEIR AUDIT AGENDA SET FOR
THE YEAR.
AND SHE POLITICALLY ACCOMMODATED ME AND A COUPLE OF MONTHS
LATER I GOT BACK THE REPORT AND I SENT THAT TO MR.
SPEARMAN'S OFFICE WHO IS KINDS OF THE CONDUIT FROM THE
EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
I WANTED TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF A SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE
RIGHT NOW.
AND I PLAN TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL -- I TELL YOU WHAT.
I USED TO PUT THINGS STRAIGHT.
I WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER FURTHER INFORMATION.
JUST A RECAP, TOWARD THE END OF FY '21.
I WILL WAIT FOR A SECOND FOR THE ELMO TO COME BACK UP.
CAN WE HAVE THE ELMO BACK ON?
10:03:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD, THANK YOU.
10:03:24AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
AGAIN, LATE LAST YEAR IN THE FISCAL YEAR, I REQUESTED THIS
NONAUDIT SERVICE THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
READ THROUGH IT.
I HAND IT TO THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, AND I ASKED THEM --
THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF UPDATING THEIR PERSONNEL MANUAL OF
THE PREVIOUS AUDIT AND THEY ARE WORKING BETWEEN THEM AND THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND IN THAT SPACE RIGHT NOW.
I NOTICED THAT EMERGENCY PROCUREMENTS WERE NOT A BIG
COMPONENT OR NOT A COMPONENT OF THE PREVIOUS AUDIT.
THIS IS THE BREAKOUT EFFORT FOR QUALITY ASSURANCE
AND QUALITY CONTROL.
WHEN I SENT IT TO PURCHASING THEY WROTE AN INTERIM MEMO
UNTIL THE POLICY CAME BACK OUT FROM LEGAL.
AND IT HAD RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE.
THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE SHARED WITH STAFF.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO NOW AND, AGAIN, THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL
-- AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S QUESTION ON THIS
RECENTLY, TO TAKE THOSE EMERGENCY PURCHASE ORDER THAT HAVE
BEEN HAPPENED SINCE THAT DIRECTIVE WENT OUT AND DO ANOTHER
NONAUDIT SERVICE.
AND THERE IS ABOUT TEN OF THEM OUT THERE.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I ASKED PURCHASING TO UNDERSTAND THE
PERCENT OF SPEND THAT HAPPENS BOTH BY DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND
QUANTITY.
AND THE ONE I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS BY DOLLAR AMOUNT.
ABOUT 3% OF OUR TOTAL FOR THE LAST FOUR FISCAL YEARS HAVE
BEEN PUT INTO EMERGENCY PURCHASE ORDERS.
WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND THE RELEVANCE OF AN EMERGENCY
SOMETHING BREAKS.
YOU KNOW, I HAD THEM IN THE CONVENTION CENTER.
WE HAD THEM IN THE FIELD.
AND THE AFFIDAVIT GETS FILLED OUT.
IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
THROUGH THE WORK GROUP AND WE SHARE IT WITH COUNCIL.
AGAIN, ONCE THIS IS ALL OVER, WE PUT A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT
BACK.
WE SEE IF WE NEED COLLECTIVELY TO MAKE ANY POLICY
RECOMMENDATIONS OR ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT THE TAIL END OF THIS JOURNEY AND GIVE
KIND OF AN INTERIM REPORT ON THAT.
10:05:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:05:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR JUMPING ON THIS AND GETTING SO
MANY STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS.
IF MY ROUGH MATH IS CORRECT, 3% OF THE CURRENT BUDGET IS $60
MILLION.
YOU GO BACK THREE YEARS, $180 MILLION.
MY CONCERN IS THAT SO MANY OF THESE GO THROUGH, MILLION,
MILLION AND A HALF, TWO MILLION, AND THEY ARE RUSHED THROUGH
AND WE ARE TOLD WE HAVE TO APPROVE THESE QUICKLY AND
IMMEDIATELY.
AND SURE WE GET BRIEFED A LITTLE BIT ON THEM BUT SHOULD BE
-- YOU AND I STALKED ABOUT THIS PUBLIC, SHOULD BE MORE TIME
FOR SCRUTINY FROM THE PUBLIC TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
AND THE COMPOUNDED PROBLEM LIKE WE HAD LAST WEEK THAT THE
DOCUMENTS GOT INTO SIRE THE DAY BEFORE OR SOME OF THEM DON'T
MAKE IT TO SIRE.
AND WE --
FOR OUR SAKE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE APPROVING.
WE DON'T NEED TO BE RUSHED -- IF PEOPLE FEEL RUSH -- IF
THERE WAS A PIPE BURST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, WE WOULD
RUSH TO FIX IT.
UNLESS IF WE SEE THIS AND KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT LOOKS LIKE
PEOPLE ARE PUSH IT BECAUSE THEY CAN.
IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN -- YOU REFER TO THIS AS BUSINESS CASE.
IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS NOT JUST FOR US BUT FOR TH\
PUBLIC'S CASE, THAT WILL BE HELPFUL AND GIVE US AT LEAST A
WEEK.
LAST WEEK WE HAD $250 MILLION OF EXPENDITURES THAT HAD TO BE
APPROVED IMMEDIATELY AND THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
THAT WASN'T AN EMERGENCY REQUEST, BUT IT FELT LIKE AN
EMERGENCY REQUEST.
THANK YOU.
10:07:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
10:07:11AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU FOR HEARING THAT REPORT.
THE NEXT IS ITEM 14 ON THE AGENDA.
WE ASKED TO MOVE THAT UP TO THIS ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
AND I AM KIND OF SPEAKING ON BEHALF AND GAMEWORK AND OPEN TO
-- FRAMEWORK AND OPEN TO FEEDBACK RIGHT NOW.
OF COURSE NOT NECESSARILY ITEMIZED IN THE BUDGET BUT DURING
THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, A RECOMMENDATION LAST FRIDAY.
STAFF MET WITH T.H.A.N. AND GOT FEEDBACK AND I WILL SAY EVEN
FROM A YEAR AGO THAT WE STARTED DISCUSS THIS AS THE BUDGET
TURNED THE CORNER FOR FY '22 ABOUT THE NOTION OF HAVING AN
OMBUDSMAN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE THE SUBJECT MATTER
EXPERTISE TO HAVE THAT DIRECT INTERFACE WITH SOME OF THOSE
CRITICAL PATHS.
A COMBINATION OF MISS NICOLE TRAVIS'S OFFICE, MISS WYNN AND
MISS McGREGOR'S OFFICE TO COME TOGETHER.
AND I PUT KIND OF A FRAMEWORK OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.
BEFORE CAROLE POST CAME ON BOARD AND NICOLE TRAVIS CAME ON
BOARD, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THOSE UNITS ON THE
LEFT SIDE SOME THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN PLANNING AND GROWTH
MANAGEMENT BEFORE ABBYE FEELEY CAME ON BOARD AND TO HAVE THE
FOUR Cs AND MAKING SURE WE ARE GIVING THE BEST CUSTOMER
SERVICE IN COMPASSIONATE FRAMEWORK.
AND THAT WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
WE HAVE GREAT TALENT AND HANDED OFF THE DIFFERENT BUSINESS
UNITS TO THE DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP MODEL, WE ARE WORKING ON
THIS CONCEPT TO PUT IT IN PLACE FOR THE FY '23 APPROACH
WHICH IS THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM COUNCIL AND
COMMUNITY.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT GRAPHIC, YOU CAN SEE THAT A
STRATIFIED APPROACH AND I CAN SHARE THAT WITH COUNCILMAN
GUDES.
WE DON'T HAVE ONE POLICE OFFICER OUT OF 1,000.
WE ARE ONE OF A THOUSAND THAT ARE COMMUNITY-TO ORIENTED
BASED.
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE SOME LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
INSIDE THEIR SOUL OF SERVING THE CITY.
WE ALSO KNOW WHEN YOU GET TO LAND USE AND ZONING, THERE ARE
A LOT OF NUANCE IN THERE.
AND WE CAN SEE FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE SITUATIONAL
CASES, WHETHER IT IS PUBLIC WORKS OR LAND USE, HAVING THAT
RIGHT PERSONALITY TO FIT THAT MOLD HAS TO BE STRATIFIED WITH
THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM AND REACHABLE BACK TO THE
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS OF 4800 PEOPLE THAT SERVE THE CITY
EVERY DAY.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO REACH DOWN AND GET THAT EXPERTISE
IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER TO GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, AHEAD
OF THE CALENDARS, AHEAD OF THE MEETINGS.
WE ARE PULLING BACK AND COMMITTING TO COUNCIL THAT WE AGREE
WITH THIS OMBUDSMAN, LIAISON APPROACH BUT NOT IN A
SUPERFICIAL WAY BUT A VERY DETAILED ORIENTED WAY.
MORE TO COME ON THAT WITH THE BUDGET APPROVAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE FEEDBACK AND IF NOT TAKE IT OFF
LINE.
10:10:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:10:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO LOVE THIS IDEA AND I THANK COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO FOR BRING IT UP, BECAUSE AS A RECENT NEIGHBORHOOD
ACTIVIST, WHENEVER -- WE WOULD SET MEETINGS WITH FOLKS FROM
THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
AND BIG -- AND IT WAS WONDERFUL.
BIG NAMES CAME.
BUT IT WAS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I CAN'T IMAGINE 20
NEIGHBORHOODS HAVING THAT SAME MEETING.
IT WAS VERY VALUABLE AND I LEARNED A LOT, BUT I LEFT THAT
MEETING SIGNIFICANCE IF THEY HAVE TO DO THIS FOR EVERY
NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERY TIME THE BOARD CHANGES OVER, THERE IS
SOME INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE SAVED IN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT I
THINK IT -- THE IDEA OF GETTING THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS
BUT NOT HAVING TO BE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE SO MUCH WORK TO DO
WITHIN THE CITY DEPARTMENT.
SO AS SOMEONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY FOCUS ON NEIGHBORHOODS AND
NOT HAVE TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE JOB THAT THEY ARE ALREADY
DOING IS A WONDERFUL IDEA.
AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEE HOW THIS FLUSHES OUT.
AND HOW -- HOW WE ACTUALLY MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT I AM REALLY HAPPY TO SEE WE CAN DO THIS WITHOUT
INTERRUPTING THE STAFF WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND THE LIMITED TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR WORK.
10:12:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:12:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND THANK YOU, CHIEF.
YOU KNOW SOMETIMES WE HAVE HEARINGS WHERE 50 PEOPLE SHOW UP
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
OR MAYBE TWO PEOPLE.
WHATEVER IT IS, WE ARE VERY BUSY AS A CITY.
THE THING IS, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS A PD?
WHAT IS A REZONING?
WHAT IS THE ORDER BY A MAGISTRATE OR RECOMMENDATION?
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?
PEOPLE HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT IS A COMPLICATED
PROCESS.
A PERSON DEDICATED GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, MEET WITH
THEM BEFORE THEY WILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL, BEFORE A
HEARING, A LOT OF QUESTIONS COULD GET ANSWERED.
WE WILL SPEED UP THE PROCESS.
A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD GO UP AND SHOW
UP INSTEAD OF 100 PEOPLE AND GIVING PEOPLE FALSE HOPES.
SHOW UP IN NUMBERS AND FLIP THIS OR THAT WHATEVER DECISION
THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES AND BECOME MORE EFFICIENT.
I WISH TELL TEN ABBYE FEELEYS BUT ONLY ONE PERSON.
AND I APPRECIATE THE REPORT AND WANT THE FEEDBACK TODAY
BEFORE WE GO INTO THE BUDGET HEARINGS BUT WILL MAKE THINGS
EASIER BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST -- FROM MY MOTHER TO THE
NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW.
SOUNDS VERY COMPLICATED AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE
THAT CAN EXPLAIN THINGS AHEAD OF TIME WE CAN SPEED UP THE
PROCESS AND GET THINGS GOING BECAUSE WE ARE VERY, VERY BUSY.
I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:13:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VERANDA -- VIERA.
10:13:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERANDA?
THAT IS HILARIOUS.
10:13:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO OFFENSE, I AM WAY AHEAD OF MYSELF.
10:13:54AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I ALWAYS GET CALLED MANISCALCO.
10:13:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORLANDO GUIDO.
10:14:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CITIZENS YOU ARE ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN GUDES
-- COUNCILMAN VIERA.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO LOSE IT AT THE DAIS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:14:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
THAT IS FUNNY.
A POSITION THAT IF DONE RIGHT -- I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES DO WITH THIS WHICH I KNOW Y'ALL
HAVE DONE.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE ILLUSION TO PEOPLE WHO COME TO CITY
COUNCIL THAT WILL CREATE SOMEBODY THAT WILL LOBBY AGAINST
PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
IT WILL BE SOMEBODY WHO IS AN INFORMATION GIVER WHO TALKS
ABOUT BALLS AND STRIKES, WHAT THE RULES ARE AND WHAT
EXPECTATIONS ARE BECAUSE LISTEN, A LOT OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T
KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL -- OUR JOBS ARE OFTEN QUASI-JUDICIAL
AND WE CAN'T BE IN THE CROWD, ETC., ETC., ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE
ON LAND USE PROJECTS, ETC., ETC., THAT ARE QUASI JUDICIAL
JUST LIKE A JUDGE CAN'T.
THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK WHENEVER WE CREATE A NEW POSITION AND Y'ALL ARE
DOING IT.
IMPORTANT WE ARE NOT REPLICATING EFFORTS OR OTHER
DEPARTMENTS.
THIS -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU PAY THIS -- IF YOU MAKE U
$100,000 WITH BENEFITS AND ETC.
WE WILL BE TALKING OF $200,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY THAT CAN GO
TO OTHER THINGS.
I ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANALYSIS IS DONE WHICH I
KNOW YOU ALL ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND DOING THAT, ETC.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS -- TO SURE THAT THE ROLE IS
DEFINED AND NOT DUPLICATING EFFORTS AND GO TO POSITIONS AND
DO INQUIRIES TO SEE HOW THAT POSITION IS GOING.
WHEN YOU CREATE A NEW POSITION, THAT IS EVER LASTING LIFE IN
GOVERNMENT.
WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE TAXPAYERS' MONEY.
IT MAY BE GOING WELL BUT DEVOLVES INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
FISCAL STEWARDSHIP AND MANAGEMENT.
I AM GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WORKING
TO SUPPORT THIS IN EVERYTHING.
BUT, AGAIN, A COUPLE OF PILLARS ARE THAT IMPORTANT WITH
REGARD TO EXPECTATION, WITH REGARD TO PERMANENCY AND
OVERSIGHT AND POTENTIAL DUPLICATION OF EFFORTS.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. CITRO.
10:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:16:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, SIR.
YOU KNOW FOR TOO MANY YEARS THE FOCUS OF THIS CITY HAS BEEN
ON SUBSIDIZING BIG DEVELOPERS TO COME IN.
AND YOU CAN JUSTIFY THAT IN THE WAY LONG-TERM GOAL GET A
RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE MONEY GETS TRAPPED IN CRAs AND NOT SPENT
IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE KNOWN FOR 20 YEARS THAT THE NEW ERA OF ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT IS CREATING QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE.
BECAUSE IF THE ARE LOCATED IN YOUR COMMUNITIES, THE
COMPANIES FOLLOW THEM.
BECAUSE OF COVID, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE WORKING REMOTELY, SO
MANY PEOPLE IN BIG COMPANIES IN NEW YORK BECAUSE THEY WANT
TO MOVE HERE AND WORKING REMOTELY AS LONG AS THEIR COMPANIES
WILL ALLOW THEM.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON QUALITY OF LIFE AND CONTINUE
TO INVEST IN AREAS THAT ARE QUALITIES OF LIFE.
AND CAN'T JUST BE A MARKETING SLOGAN.
WE NEED TO DEVELOP.
THIS IDEA HAS BEEN CIRCULATING A LONG TIME.
AND THE ORIGINAL GENESIS OF IT WAS COMPARING IT TO THE
FLORIDA OFFICE OF PUBLIC COUNCIL.
I WILL JUST READ THIS REAL FAST.
THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC COUNCIL ESTABLISHED BY THE FLORIDA
LEGISLATURE AS A SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF
FLORIDA AND ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF FLORIDA'S UTILITY
CONSUMERS.
AND IT GETS MORE INTO THE LOBBYING AND ADVOCATING AREA AND
MAY BE A FINE LINE THERE AS MY COLLEAGUE JUST MENTIONED.
MY EXPECTATION AS STEPHANIE POYNOR POINTED OUT, HEAD OF
T.H.A.N., THIS PERSON WOULD EDUCATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ON WHAT THEY CAN AND
CANNOT DO AND HOW TO DEVELOP COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE.
I THINK IT IS BENEFICIAL TO US, THE STAFF, AND EVEN THE
APPLICANTS IF ONE PERSON SHOW UP WITH A LIST OF COMPETENT,
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE INSTEAD OF 50 PEOPLE IN BLUE SHIRTS
SAYING THEY DON'T LIKE BLUE HOUSES AND WE CAN HAVE
SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATIONS.
WE HAVE SEEN THAT WORK THAT STAFF HAS MET WITH PEOPLE LIKE
SOUTH OF GANDY, BUT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BRING EVERYBODY UP
TO SPEED AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER.
AND LAST MAYOR CREATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNIVERSITY WHICH AT
THE TIME WAS SEEN AS AN ATTACK ON T.H.A.N., TAKING POWER
AWAY FROM T.H.A.N.
THOSE WHO GARAGE ARE HAPPY TO TAKE THEIR PICTURE AND GET A
CERTIFICATE BUT THEY FEEL THAT NOTHING HAPPENS.
NOW THEY ARE TRAINED AND GET A CERTIFICATE, SEEMED MORE OF
A PR INSTEAD OF SUBSTANTIVE.
HOW CAN THEY ADVOCATE WHAT THEY WANT.
IF THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT THEY ARE NOT PREPARED, HOW DO
THEY ADVOCATE.
OR SUNSET PARK COMPLAIN OF CONSTRUCTION NOT BEING DONE AND
HOW CAN THEY DO IT IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY.
HOW CAN WE TESTIFY OF LAND USE ISSUES.
SO I HOPE THAT WE LOOK AT THIS IN A SUBSTANTIVE WAY, NOT
JUST PR WAY LIKE MAYOR'S NEIGHBORHOOD UNIVERSITY WAS IN THE
BEGINNING.
MAY END UP -- WITH LEGAL COUNCIL, MAY ADVISE IT SHOULD BE
SOMEONE OUTSIDE THAT WE SHOULD PAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIABILITIES AND LINES ARE.
WE NEED TO CAREFULLY DEFINE IT.
ALSO TALK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE DON'T
WANT ANY LAWSUITS FROM THIS.
STREAMLINING THE PROCESS AND EDUCATING EVERYONE WHAT NEEDS
TO BE DONE AND WHAT CAN'T BE DONE WILL HELP EVERYONE.
THANK YOU.
10:20:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:20:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
THEY ARE ANGRY OR UPSET.
THEY ARE UPSET AND ANGRY BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS
OR THEY FEEL THAT SOMEONE IS GETTING OVER ON THEM.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TALKING OF EAST TAMPA NOW.
NOW YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA WHO SAY THEY
HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED ALL THESE YEARS.
ALL THIS MONEY AND NOBODY HELPED US.
MISS JONES, 89, THE 90, SITTING ON THESE BOARDS -- THEY KNO
NOTHING.
THIS IS THE RULE OF THE LAW.
YOU SHOULD BE DOING THIS AND THAT.
THIS IS WHY WE NOW HAVE A LITTLE MOVEMENT GOING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN EAST TAMPA THAT HAVEN'T BEEN
SPENT.
I MEAN A LOT OF MONEY.
IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT MONEY HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT FOR OUR
COMMUNITIES.
SO I EMBRACED THIS PERSON, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A
PERSON THAT IS NOT TIED AT THE HIP TO A PORTION OF THE
ADMINISTRATION OR A DEVELOPER OR PERSON WHO IS EQUALLY
BALANCED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE COMMUNITY WHAT THEIR RIGHTS
ARE, WHAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO AND THEY DON'T.
WE WANT GOOD DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THE STUFF SOMETIMES, THE DEVELOPMENT
GETS OVER ON OUR OWN STAFF SOMETIMES.
DEVELOPER HAVE BIG TIME ATTORNEYS.
THEY GET OVER ON OUR OWN STAFF.
SO I AM JUST HOPING THAT WE EMBRACE THIS PROJECT AND SOMEONE
WHO HAS A BALANCE TO UNDERSTAND ALL SIDES.
EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON THEIR RIGHTS.
TALK WITH DEVELOPERS.
MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND -- A LOT HAS TO BE ON THE FOREFRONT
BEFORE THE PEOPLE FILE FOR THE STUFF AND KILL A LOT OF
THINGS GOING ON THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT.
JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE
THERE.
YOU HAVE THE MONEY AND THE POWER AND YOU PUT IT THERE AND
OPPRESS THE PEOPLE.
I HOPE WE HAVE A PROCESS BEFORE THIS STUFF IS EVEN FILED,
YOU HAVE A PERSON WHO CAN LOOK AND TALK TO THE COMMUNITY AND
THE DEVELOP TO COME TO SOME RESOLUTION AND RESOLVE BEFORE IT
EVEN GETS HERE AND WE ARE NOT HERE UNTIL 1:00 IN THE
MORNING.
THAT IS MY SPIEL ON THAT.
10:22:22AM >> GOOD POINT.
10:22:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:22:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT
EVERYBODY WANTS.
YOU THINK WE HAVE BEEN CONFUSED LISTENING TO WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT, EVERYBODY IS CONFUSED.
WHEN YOU TALK OF A SALARY AND YOU TALK ABOUT EXPENSES AND
TALK MORE AND MORE, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, SOMEBODY IS
GOING TO HAVE TO DRAW A LINE.
THINGS ARE MOVING SO FAST.
YOU HAD COMPUTERS.
YOU HAD EVERYTHING YOU WANT.
YOU CAN FIND EVERYTHING.
IT IS ON OPEN AIRWAYS.
AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING US WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE.
AND I DON'T USE COMPUTERS.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, I AM NOT SOLD ON ANY IDEA UNTIL I DO
MY OWN DUE DILIGENCE.
THANK YOU.
10:23:05AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
UNDERSTOOD.
SO JUST A FEW POINTS OF FEEDBACK.
ONE, IF YOU RETHINK WHAT IS LEFT OF THE JOURNEY -- SORRY, ON
THE FY '23.
THE 6th IS A LITTLE TOO EARLY BUT I WILL USE THE ANALOGY OF
LAST YEAR WE ASKED TPD TO BRING IN THE MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM
AND KIND OF EINVOLVED DURING THE FINAL STAGE OF THE BUDGET
THAT WHAT I AM HOPING TO WORK WITH MISS TRAVIS AND MISS WYNN
AND COME BACK WITH THE FRAMEWORK OF THE LAST HEARING AND THE
MAYOR, NOT ONLY DOES SHE SUPPORT THE CONCEPT BUT REPURPOSING
POSITIONS INSTEAD OF ADDING MONEY TO THINGS.
WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR POSITIONS THAT MAY BE STALE OR
UNFILLED BUT NOT ADDING BUT BACKFILLING POSITIONS THERE.
THE LAST THING WHICH IS KIND OF MY POINT OF STRATIFYING THE
SERVICE IS WHOEVER WILL LAND THIS POSITION -- WHO KNOWS
BASED ON SCALE AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE CITY WITH ALL
THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC OF GOING UNDERGROUND
AND ABOVE GROUND AND MORE THAN WE HAVE, THIS MAY BLOSSOM
INTO MORE NEED AND BE MORE GEO SPATIAL THAN CITYWIDE.
WE WILL BRING SOMETHING BACK TO COUNCIL ON SECOND PUBLIC
HEARING AND HAVE A BETTER FRAMEWORK AND A BETTER UNDERSTAND
WHAT THE FEEDBACK IS.
10:24:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
I AM SERIOUSLY HOPE THIS PERSON IS THAT CONDUIT BETWEEN THE
PUBLIC AND THE CITY.
WHERE THAT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO FOUR OR FIVE
DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WHERE THAT PERSON CAN BE THAT
ONE-STOP-SHOP.
10:24:48AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WE WILL TRAIN STAFF TO BE -- BECAUSE SPEED
MATTERS AT THIS.
10:24:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:24:56AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SECOND TO LAST ITEM MY ONNER TO BRING MISS
ANDREA ZELMAN FORWARD.
I BELIEVE HER HUSBAND HAS GIVEN MANY YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE
COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, BUT HE IS WATCHING ONLINE FROM, I
BELIEVE, GAINESVILLE.
SO OUR HONOR TO BRING ANDREA FORWARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF HER BACKGROUND EVEN
THOUGH I SENT THIS IN BY MEMO.
GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE IT WHO HAVEN'T BEEN.
THE ADMINISTRATION AND, OF COURSE, THE MAYOR AND SERVING TO
COUNCIL IS BRINGING MISS ANDREA ZELMAN FORWARD AS THE
RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NEXT CITY ATTORNEY.
I HAVE SENT YOU HER CURRICULUM VITAE.
PART OF THE CITY ALL THE WAY BACK IN THE MID-90s.
WORKED DILIGENTLY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND FROM 2019 TO
DATE, THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
SHE COMES FROM THE GREAT PUBLIC UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
I KNOW SOME OF THE ALUM ARE HERE TO CELEBRATE THAT.
I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF PUTTING A NOTE IN HERE SAYING SHE IS
CONSISTENTLY PUT THE TOP ATTORNEY LIST FROM FLORIDA'S LEGAL
ELITE, AND THIS YEAR WAS NO DIFFERENT.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE HOUSEKEEPING, THERE
IS NO RESIDENCY WAIVER REQUIRED FOR MISS ZELMAN SHOULD YOU
CONFIRM HER TODAY.
ANDREA.
10:26:11AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I TALKED TO SEVERAL OF YOU.
I DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED AND I WOULD APPRECIATE
YOUR VOTE CONFIRM THIS APPOINTMENT.
I AM GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I WILL HAVE A FEW
REMARKS YOU WILL HOLD.
I THINK THERE IS A QUESTION.
10:26:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:26:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MISS ZELMAN, YOU KNOW I AM A BIG FAN.
I AM A BIG FAN OF CLAY'S.
AND WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME.
AND WE WORKED TOGETHER -- SEVERAL OF US WORKED TOGETHER ON
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND GREAT WORKING WITH YOU
THERE AND WORKING WITH US HERE.
YOU ALSO KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL BY CHARTER HAVE NO POWER
AFTER THIS MOMENT.
ONCE WE APPROVE YOU JUST LIKE SENATE CONFIRMING THE SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE POWER -- MAYBE LESS
POWER THAN THE SENATE AND WE HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
I THINK YOU HAVE SEEN OR ARE AWARE THAT THERE WERE -- THAT
THERE IS LOTS OF EVIDENCE ABOUT YOUR TWO PREDECESSORS AND
HOW THEY WORKED AGAINST CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE HAVE HAD SOME AGREEMENTS OR DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT THAT.
SO I WANT -- I HAVE -- I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE, ESPECIALLY ON
THIS BIG DAY FOR YOU, BUT THIS IS MY ONLY CHANCE TO ASK YOU
SOME REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU PLEASE CONFIRM WHO THE CLIENT IS OF THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
10:27:45AM >> YES.
AND FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T AGREE THAT YOU WON'T HAVE TIME TO
ASK ME QUESTIONS AFTER THAT.
BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY, OPEN EAR POLICY.
IF I AM CONFIRMED, I WILL ALWAYS BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.
BECAUSE IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WE REPRESENT THE CITY OF
TAMPA, THE ENTITY.
THAT INCLUDES THE CITY COUNCIL AS A BODY, AND THAT INCLUDES
THE MAYOR AND THAT INCLUDES THE STAFF THE ADMINISTRATION OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:28:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. -- MORRIS -- I WILL PASS THIS OUT TO MY
COLLEAGUES AND THE CLERK.
THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE CHARTER THAT I PULLED UP LAST
NIGHT.
DID YOU -- COULD YOU JUST READ -- COULD YOU JUST READ THE
FIRST HIGHLIGHTED PART THERE WHERE IT DEFINES THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT'S CLIENT.
10:28:37AM >> THE FIRST HIGHLIGHTED ONE.
THE LEGAL ADVISOR OF THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND COMMITTEES
THEREFORE AND OF THE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICERS AND
BOARDS OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
10:28:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD THREE DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS LOOK AT THIS
AND SAYS IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE -- THAT THE CLIENTS OF THE
CITY ATTORNEY ARE THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE
COMMITTEES, AND ALSO THE DEPARTMENTS, OFFICERS, BOARDS OF
THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
SO CONSIDERING THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS, WILL
YOU AFFIRM THAT IS TRUE.
10:29:11AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
10:29:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU ALSO CONFIRM UNDER FLORIDA BAR RULES
THAT YOU WILL HAVE THE DUTY TO DEFEND EACH OF YOUR CLIENTS?
10:29:28AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
OF COURSE, YES.
10:29:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU CONFIRM UNDER FLORIDA BAR RULES YOU
HAVE A DUTY OF CONFIDENTIALITY REGARDING YOUR CLIENTS AND
THAT WILL INCLUDE NOT SPEAKING TO THE MEDIA WITHOUT YOUR
CLIENT'S APPROVAL?
10:29:48AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
LET ME JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST, EARLIER YOU SAID SOMETHING OF THE LAST TWO CITY
ATTORNEYS WORKING AGAINST THE CITY COUNCIL.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANTS TO SAY I DON'T AGREE WITH
THAT REPRESENTATION.
IN TERMS OF SPEAKING TO THE MEDIA, I THINK ALL OF US HAVE A
DUTY TO BE RESPONSIVE TO QUESTIONS RAISED BY THE MEDIA.
SO -- AND -- WHERE IS CHARLIE FREGO.
HE FREQUENTLY ASKS ME QUESTIONS AND I I HAVE TO RESPOND.
10:30:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HEARD TO THE TERM, PREJUDICIAL EX-JUDICIAL
STATEMENT.
HAVE YOU HEARD OF THAT TERM BEFORE.
10:30:30AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
: YES.
10:30:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WOULD YOU REMEMBER THAT WOULD BE A PART OF
THE GUIDELINES OF THE FLORIDA BAR?
10:30:36AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YES.
10:30:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
UNDER THAT DEFINITION, WOULD IT MEAN THAT
THE CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING THAT IS
PREJUDICIAL TO THEIR CLIENT AS YOU JUST DEFINED TO THE MEDIA
OR ANYONE ELSE WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THEIR CLIENT.
10:30:50AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
: REMEMBER, EX-PARTE MEANS SPEAKING TO A
JUDGE OR SOMEONE ASKING IN A QUASI JUDICIAL.
10:30:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE TERM PREJUDICIAL, EXTRA JUDICIAL
STATEMENT.
10:31:02AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AGAIN?
I FEEL LIKE I AM BEING DEPOSED.
10:31:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT IS PART OF THE FLORIDA BAR GUIDELINES
UNDER FLORIDA BAR GUIDELINES, ATTORNEYS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
SPEAK ABOUT THEIR CLIENTS TO ANYONE WITHOUT THEIR CLIENTS'
APPROVAL.
THAT IS WHAT THAT MEANS.
10:31:23AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I WILL LOOK AT THAT BAR RULE.
I THINK I KNOW WHICH BAR RULE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
REFERRING TO INDIVIDUAL CLIENTS IN LITIGATION.
REMEMBER, OUR OFFICE DOESN'T REPRESENT EACH OF YOU
INDIVIDUALLY.
WE REPRESENT THE CITY COUNCIL AS A BODY.
SO I THINK IF WE ARE ASKED QUESTIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AS
A BODY, WE CAN ANSWER THEM.
10:31:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT ANSWERING A QUESTION ABOUT A CITY
COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THEN HURTS YOUR CLIENT CITY COUNCIL WILL
BE A VIOLATION OF THE TRUST WITH THE CLIENT CITY COUNCIL.
10:31:52AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
: THAT WOULD NOT BE MY INTENT.
LET ME JUST SAY I FULLY PROMISE I WILL ACT IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE FLORIDA BAR RULES.
YOU KNOW AS I SAID WHEN I SPOKE TO YOU PRIOR TO THIS
MEETING, AS AN ATTORNEY, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT I RESPECT AND
TRUST MY CLIENTS.
AND THEY RESPECT AND TRUST ME.
I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO EARN THAT TRUST.
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF VIOLATING BAR RULES OR DOING ANYTHING
ELSE INAPPROPRIATE.
10:32:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AND -- THERE IS A LOT -- A LOT I COULD
SAY ABOUT THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
LOTS OF EXAMPLES.
AN EXAMPLE THAT CAME FORWARD RECENTLY WAS A -- A MEMO FROM
THE MAYOR ABOUT NAMING STREETS AND BUILDINGS.
AND IN THE WHEREAS CLAUSE, THE MAYOR HAS A RIGHT TO NAME
BUILDINGS.
IT IS NOT IN THE CHARTER AT ALL.
THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE THINGS HAPPENING.
PLUS THE LAST CITY ATTORNEY SPOKE OUT OF SCHOOL ABOUT ME AND
OTHER CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO HERE IS ANOTHER BIG QUESTION.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A CONFLICT.
SO OBVIOUSLY MANY CONFLICTS.
WE ARE OFTEN TOLD THAT WE CAN NOT CREATE A COMMITTEE BECAUSE
THE MAYOR HAS TO AGREE.
BUT WHEN THE MAYOR WANTS TO CREATE A COMMITTEE, WE ARE NOT
ASKED TO APPROVE THAT.
HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH CONFLICT IF THE MAYOR ONE OF YOUR
CLIENTS WANTS SOMETHING AND THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS
SOMETHING.
HOW DO YOU ADDRESS CONFLICTS.
10:33:18AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I WILL BE GLAD TO YOU WHEN THE ORIGINAL CRB
WAS CREATED.
THAT AT THE TIME THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS JULIA MANDEL.
AND THE QUESTION DID SHE HAVE A CONFLICT REPRESENTING THE
CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND GWEN YOUNG OF CARLTON FIELDS
TO WRITE A LEGAL OPINION ON THAT QUESTION.
AND SHE CONCLUDED THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY DOESN'T HAVE A
CONFLICT.
WE ARE LIKE A CORPORATE ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS BOTH THE
BOARD AND THE CEO.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT -- AND I THINK WHAT YOU ARE -- WHAT
YOU ARE ASKING IN A MORE GROUND LEVEL IF THE MAYOR AND YOU
DISAGREE, WHAT WILL I DO.
10:33:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL DISAGREE.
THAT EXAMPLE YOU GAVE, A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT EXAMPLE
BUT I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON THAT.
IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, WHAT DO YOU DO?
IN CITY -- REMEMBER BAR RULES.
IF AN ATTORNEY HAS A CONFLICT THEY HAVE TO RESIGN ONE SIDE
OR REFER TO OUTSIDE COUNCIL.
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU REFER IT TO OUTSIDE COUNSEL,
WE WILL HAVE OBJECTIVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL AS IN THE CASE YOU
MENTIONED.
HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNSEL IS ALSO REPRESENTING
-- HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THE -- THAT THE LEGAL COUNSEL
IS ALSO REPRESENTING CITY COUNCIL, NOT JUST THE MAYOR'S
INTEREST.
10:34:40AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YOU ARE RIGHT.
SOMETIMES OUR OFFICE HIRED A OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO AVOID VIEW
OF INAPPROPRIATENESS.
10:34:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OF THEM AGGRESSIVELY ATTACKED A
CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
10:34:54AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ANY OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHO IS HIRED IS A
MEMBER OF THE BAR AND SWORN AN OATH AND WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE
FOR THEM TO ACT ANY WAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BAR RULES.
10:35:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK YOU THE SECOND HIGHLIGHTED SECTION
ON THE PAGE.
FROM THE CHARTER.
10:35:12AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
REGARDING THE DUTIES OF THE CITY COUNCIL,
ALSO TO APPEAR, ADVOCATE AND DEFEND THE RIGHTS AND INTERESTS
OF THE CITY OR ANY OFFICER OF THE CITY IN ANY SUIT OR
PROSECUTION FOR ANY ACT IN THE DISCHARGE OF HIS OFFICIAL
DUTIES.
10:35:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU CONFIRM YOUR DUTY UNDER THAT SECTION
OF THE CHARTER?
10:35:32AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YES.
10:35:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
INCLUDES INDIVIDUALS, NOT JUST CITY COUNCIL
AS A WHOLE.
10:35:37AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YES.
AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE A BODY OF CASE LAW AND STATUTES THAT
GOVERN WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE TO DEFEND AN INDIVIDUAL,
OFFICER, OR EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.
10:35:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LOOK AT THAT SECTION -- I AM NOT GOING TO
HAVE YOU READ THE WHOLE THING -- DOESN'T TALK ABOUT MONEY
BUT DEFEND AND PROTECT.
SECTION 7.02.
THE BUDGET.
CAN YOU READ THE FIRST SENTENCE THERE.
10:35:59AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
NO MONEY MAY BE DISBURSED FROM THE CITY
TREASURY BUT APPROPRIATIONS MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:36:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE WAS AN OPINION BY YOUR PREDECESSOR OR
TWO PREDECESSORS.
THE PREDECESSOR TO PAY SETTLEMENTS.
THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A RIGHT BY CHARTER TO AGREE TO
SETTLEMENTS BUT ONLY.
CAN YOU TELL ME IN THE CHARTER WHERE IT GIVES -- OTHER THAN
THE OPINION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY TWO TIMES AGO.
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE RIGHT TO
AGREE TO PAY SETTLEMENTS WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
10:36:37AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO 5.1, TAKE THE
MANAGEMENT, CHARGE AND CONTROL OF ALL THE LEGAL BUSINESS OF
THE CITY.
IT'S -- IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE -- IT WOULD BE VIRTUALLY
IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO BRING EVERY SETTLEMENT TO THIS COUNCIL.
10:36:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOESN'T SAY EXPLICITLY THAT THE CITY
ATTORNEY CAN PAY.
THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY AGREE IN A SETTLEMENT BY THE CHARTER.
THERE IS SOME GRAY AREA THERE.
BUT DOES NOT SAY EXPLICITLY IF THE NEXT PAGE SAYS THAT CITY
COUNCIL -- ONLY CITY COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO PAY FROM -- TO
AGREE TO BUDGET AMOUNT, ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
10:37:17AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ANY SETTLEMENT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE REACHES WILL ULTIMATELY COME TO COUNCIL FOR ANY
APPROPRIATE --
10:37:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE ANNOUNCED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR SIX
FIGURES.
IS THAT COMING?
10:37:33AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I BELIEVE IT WAS ALREADY APPROPRIATED BUT I
DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK.
10:37:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET ME SEE -- THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR FOR
GIVING ME THIS.
LAST QUESTION, THE CITY ATTORNEY TWO ATTORNEYS AGO WROTE A
PAPER THAT ALLEGEDLY SAID THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD THE ABILITY
TO PAY SETTLEMENTS WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE DOCUMENT, BUT I DISAGREE, AND THE
ATTORNEYS I SHOWED IT DISAGREED WITH IT BASED ON THE
CHARTER.
IF YOU FIND OTHER OPINIONS OF YOUR PREDECESSORS, WILL YOU BE
OPEN TO DEFINING THE CHARTER IN THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN RATHER
THAN BY THEIR PRECEDENCE OR OPINIONS?
10:38:13AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I AM AWARE OF THE OPINION YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT AND IT WAS BASED ON CHARTER LANGUAGE.
REMEMBER, IT IS NOT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN PAY
SETTLEMENTS.
LIKE THEY CAN APPROVE IT.
ULTIMATELY ANY APPROPRIATION HAS TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL IN
ONE FORM OR THE OTHER.
AND AS I STARTED TO SAY, WE SETTLE HUNDREDS OF CASES.
WE HAVE A SETTLEMENT COMMITTEE WITHIN OUR OFFICE THAT WORKS
WITH OUR LITIGATORS, RISK MANAGEMENT.
WE EVALUATE EVERY CASE.
WE AGREE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SETTLEMENT SHOULD BE.
WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR ATTORNEYS, FOR INSTANCE, AUTHORITY TO GO
TO MEDIATION WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER IN MIND AND COME BACK.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THE ULTIMATE SETTLEMENT AGREED
TO.
IT WILL FRANKLY BRING YOUR MEETINGS -- ADD A LOT MORE
MEETINGS TO YOUR CALENDAR.
10:39:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL COULD GIVE
AUTHORITY TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO APPROVE IT TO A CERTAIN
LEVEL.
I WILL JUST END.
SORRY TO HAVE TO PUT YOU THROUGH THIS.
NOT BASED ON HOW I FEEL ABOUT YOU.
WE ALWAYS LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU BASED ON THE
EXPERIENCE OF THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
I HAD TO ASK YOU.
I APOLOGIZE TO CLAY AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS WHO MAY BE
WATCHING.
I LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH YOU AND I HOPE YOU WILL HELP
CORRECT THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST.
IN CASE WE SEE THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST, I WILL GO BACK AND
PLAY THIS VIDEO.
THANK YOU.
10:39:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:39:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU,
COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR THE QUESTIONS.
I KNOW YOU FAIRLY WELL.
I KNOW YOUR REPUTATION.
IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
YOU ARE A PERSON OF GOOD MORAL CHARACTER OF SERVICE TO THIS
COMMUNITY IN MANY CAPACITIES HERE SERVING AS ASSISTANT CITY
ATTORNEY OR ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION OR YOUR
HUSBAND'S REPUTATION AND HIS SERVICE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL,
WORKING IN WASHINGTON AND WORKING HERE.
YOU AND I MET THE OTHER DAY.
WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION AS WE ALWAYS HAD.
I, MYSELF, BEING HERE SINCE 2015 HAVE WORKED UNDER SEVERAL
DIFFERENT -- OR WORKED WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT CITY ATTORNEYS
AND IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I HAD GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH
EVERYONE.
EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.
I NEVER HAD AN ISSUE.
ALWAYS HAD AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION REGARDLESS OF WHO
IT WAS.
YOU SAID SOMETHING THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE MET.
AND IT WAS ABOUT A RESET OR A HARD RESET AND STARTING FRESH.
COINCIDENTALLY THE LAST TIME MY WIFE AND I WERE WATCHING THE
"TWILIGHT ZONE" -- SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE WE LIVE IN THE
TWILIGHT ZONE AND AN EPISODE CALLED "WALKING DISTANCE."
IN THE END, YOU HAVE TO START WALKING FORWARD.
WE ARE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ON CITY COUNCIL OF LOOKING
FORWARD.
YOU TALK OF A HARD RESET.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS LOOK, I TALKED ABOUT LET'S WORK TOGETHER
AND MOVE FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE SOME PEACE HERE.
BECAUSE WE ALL HAD FOR MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES AND DIFFERENT
REASONS THE VERY INTERESTING LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
AGAIN, I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
I KNOW YOUR WORK ETHIC.
I KNOW YOUR DEDICATION TO THIS CITY.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT HARD RESET.
YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED VERY DIFFICULT, VERY CLEAR, VERY
POINTED QUESTIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE ASKED.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I HAVE FULL FAITH IN YOU THAT YOU
WILL HONOR YOUR OATH AND THIS CITY CHARTER AND THAT WE WILL
WORK TOGETHER WELL MOVING FORWARD.
SO YOU WILL HAVE MY SUPPORT.
AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEAR WHAT OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS
HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
10:41:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:41:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WILL BE GLADLY VOTING FOR YOU.
I HAVE KNOWN YOU FOR SOME TIME.
AND WHATNOT.
I THINK -- WE ARE FORTUNATE -- WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE
THAT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE HAVE GOTTEN ATTORNEYS FROM
PLACES LIKE BUCHANAN INGERSOLL, TRENDHAM, HILL, WARD
HENDERSON, MacFARLANE FERGUSON.
MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ USED TO BE -- FOWLER WHITE.
YOU USED TO BE A FOWLER WHITE AS WELL.
WE ARE FORTUNATE IN THAT REGARD.
YOUR REPUTATION PROCEEDS YOU.
YOU ARE A WOMAN OF OUTSTANDING CHARACTER, DECENCY AND
PROFESSIONALISM.
AS I SAY THAT AS A COLLEAGUE IN THE FLORIDA BAR.
LICENSED FOR 19 YEARS.
TIME GOES BY FAST WHEN YOU DO IT IN.1 INCREMENTS.
UP KNOW -- LAUGHS THERE FROM THE LAWYERS.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO A FABULOUS JOB.
YOU ARE A VERY GOOD PERSON WITH A VERY GOOD HEART AND
WHATNOT.
AND SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID I THINK IS
VERY IMPORTANT WHICH IS ON THE RESET ISSUE WHICH IS -- I
DEFINE IT AS DEESCALATION.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
THAT IS ON ALL OF US, MYSELF INCLUDED.
ALL OF US.
I THINK THAT ALL OF US HERE HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO LOOK AT
THE THINGS THOSE TIES THAT BIND DESPITE OUR DIFFERENCES.
I SAY THAT ALL THE TIME AND CERTAINLY TRUE FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND I HAVE DONE IT AND WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON.
IF WE AGREE OR DISAGREE ON ONE THING, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
TEN THINGS WE AGREE ON AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I HOPE THAT WE ALL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T RUN FOR OFFICE FOR CAUSTIC MEASURES.
I KNOW I DIDN'T, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE UPPER HERE
DID AND WHATNOT.
LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU AND WORKING WITH YOU.
LIKE I SAID, I AM A BIG FAN OF YOURS AND EVERYBODY IS
TALKING OF YOUR HUSBAND.
I I WILL SAY IT.
HE WALKS ON WATER.
IF YOU THROW HIM ON THE WATER IF HE IS OUT ON A BOAT, HE
WILL NOT SINK PAUSE HE WALKS ON WATER.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU.
10:44:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:44:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MISS ZELMAN, WE HAD A CONVERSATION, CANDID.
I TOLD YOU I WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
CLEAR ON THAT.
I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE WITH SOME OF THE
COUNCILMEMBERS AND SOME THINGS IN THE CITY WAS CRIMINAL.
DOWNRIGHT CRIMINAL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE POLITICS.
I THINK THAT OFFICE HAS BEEN INFLUENCED AND INFECTED WITH
POLITICS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THAT IS WHAT -- THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
IS MADE FOR.
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS TO FULFILL THE RIGHTS OF EVERY
EMPLOYEE, THE OFFICES THEY HOLD, THE DEPARTMENTS.
LIKE I TOLD NEW THAT MEETING, YOU CAN'T SERVE TWO MASTERS.
AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM, GENTLEMEN.
YOU LOOK AT THIS CHARTER, YOU GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE
THAT CITY ATTORNEY IS SUPPOSED TO UPHOLD.
BUT THE MAIN TWO IS THIS COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
MISS HURTAK, IF I PUT YOU UP FOR THE PROMOTION TO APPOINT
YOU.
AND THE OTHER BODY SAYS OKAY, YOU BELONG TO ME.
I AM YOUR MASTER.
I AM YOUR MASTER.
THAT IS THE WAY I FEEL.
AND MOST PEOPLE KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH.
HIS OTHER CITY ATTORNEYS THAT WORK FOR THE CITY THAT SAY THE
SAME THING.
WE WORK FOR THE MAYOR.
MR. CARLSON BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE CHARTER AND THE WAY MIAMI
IS GOING TO DO SOME THINGS.
AND I AM GOING TO LOOK AT THAT DOWN THE ROAD.
I AM VERY HURT.
I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PLAYED
POLITICS ON A LOT OF ISSUES.
IT IS NOT FAIR.
IT IS NOT RIGHT.
NO MATTER HOW THE VOTE -- BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WILL GET
CONFIRMED TODAY.
I HOPE YOU DON'T PLAY POLITICS.
I HOPE YOU DO YOUR JOB AND BE ABLE TO TELL THE MAYOR AND MR.
BENNETT WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG.
THAT IS WHAT THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA WANT.
SOMEONE WHO CAN STAND US AND TELL US WHEN WE ARE RIGHT AND
WHEN WE ARE WRONG.
NOT TO PLAY POLITICS.
I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON LEGALLY.
I THINK YOU ARE A NICE WOMAN.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY DO HAVE A GREAT NEITHER MAYBE RESET --
WHATEVER THAT MAY MEAN TO SOME COUNCILMEMBERS.
AND IN A SENSE, I SUPPORT YOU, BUT IN ANOTHER -- I AM
NERVOUS AND AFRAID.
I THINK I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE THAT WAY.
BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS.
IT IS CLEAR.
BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I SERVE A GOOD AWESOME GOD.
I WILL NOT BE VOTING TODAY ON THIS ISSUE.
I WILL NOT.
I WILL ABSTAIN FROM VOTING.
NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE YOU.
NOT THAT -- I THINK -- FOR ME, THE INSTITUTION, I THINK, HAS
BEEN COMPROMISED.
AND YOU ARE A PART OF THAT OTHER INSTITUTION.
SO WHATEVER HAPPENS TODAY GOING FORWARD, I AM STILL GOING TO
WORK WITH YOU.
I GIVE MY COMMITMENT TO YOU.
I JUST WANT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.
I WANT OTHER EMPLOYEES TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.
AND I WANT THE STRONG COLD ANSWERS THAT ARE RIGHT, NOT JUST
TO SWAY ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER WHATEVER THEY MAY BE, THEY
MAY BE.
GENTLEMEN, I WILL ABSTAIN FROM VOTING TODAY.
MR. MORRIS, YOU CAN GET THOSE FORMS FOR ME, BUT I WILL
ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON THIS ISSUE TODAY.
I WISH YOU WELL.
AND GREAT SUCCESS TO YOU.
10:47:39AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THANK YOU.
10:47:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:47:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH YOU MANY YEARS AGO WHEN
YOU WORKED UNDER CITY ATTORNEY JANE.
YOU ARE OUTSTANDING THEN.
YOU ARE OUTSTANDING NOW.
I AM NOT ASKING FOR YOU TO DO ANYTHING FOR ME.
IF I COMMIT A CRIME, I EXPECT TO GO TO JAIL.
MY FATHER GAVE ME ONE OF THE MOST LESSONS HE EVER GAVE ME
WHEN I WAS ABOUT 16-YEAR-OLD PLAYING BASEBALL.
I THOUGHT I WAS AS HOTSHOT.
HE PUT A DIME IN MY HAND.
I SAID WHAT IS THE DIME FOR?
HE TOLD ME THIS, IF YOU GET IN TROUBLE, CALL SOMEBODY ELSE.
I NEVER FORGOT THAT.
IF I GET IN TROUBLE, IT'S ON ME.
WHEN WE WERE ASKED -- I AM NOT HERE TO GO OVER THIS PART OF
THE CHARTER.
YOU SEE, THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN INTERPRET THE CHARTER IS NOT
I.
NOT EVEN YOU.
IT IS A JUDGE.
OR THE JURY.
IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG, I AM GOING TO END UP THERE.
ON MY FATHER'S DIME.
HOWEVER, WE WERE ASKED TO TURN IN OUR PHONES.
THE FIRST ONE THAT WENT WAS ME.
HANDED THEM IN.
FORGOT -- SAID YOU GOT TWO PHONES.
I SAID, YEAH.
LET ME TELL YOU WHY.
WHEN I PUT ONE DOWN AND PUT SOMETHING ON IT I CAN'T FIND IT,
THAT PHONE FINDS THE OTHER PHONE.
AND I FOUND MY PHONE.
AND THE REASON I DID THAT -- I SAID EARLIER WAS A TIGHTWAD
AND CERTAIN THINGS.
PAYING $132 A MONTH FOR A CELL PHONE.
I GOT WITH THE FAMILY AND I BOUGHT -- THEY GAVE ME FOUR
PHONES FOR $100 FOR THE SAME SERVICE.
SO I SAVED $32.
MY SISTER -- SAID PAYING HER PHONE.
I SAID I AM SAVING $32.
LET ME GIVE YOU A CELL PHONE.
THAT'S HOW I GOT FOUR PHONES.
THAT IS HOW THE STORY IS KNOWN.
WHEN I TURNED IN THE PHONES, DIDN'T EVEN ASK, AM I CLEAN.
ONE THING I ALSO TAUGHT MYSELF, BET ON THAT DIME.
WHEN YOU HAVE TEMPTATION, YOU CAN FIX A PROBLEM, YOU WILL
NEVER FIX A PROBLEM THAT HAVEN'T BEEN UNDERSTOOD AND NEVER
BEEN A PROBLEM.
LET ME EXPLAIN THAT.
ON THIS DAIS, I HAVE BEEN HERE 29 YEARS.
ONLY ONE TIME IN MY LIFE DID I BRING THE CELL PHONE INTO
THIS DAIS.
YOU KNOW HOW I DID THAT, BY HABIT, WHEN I SEE MARY, I HAND
MY PHONE TO HER EVERY THURSDAY.
SHE WASN'T THERE THAT DAY.
AND I BROUGHT -- I WAS SITTING RIGHT WITH MR. CITRO AND THE
DAMN THING ARE RANG.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO HIDE.
I WAS NERVOUS.
I HAD CHILLS.
YOU CAN NEVER FIX A PERCEPTION OF A PROBLEM.
YOU CAN FIX A PROBLEM, BUT NEVER A PERCEPTION OF A PROBLEM.
YOU WILL NEVER CATCH ME WITH A CELL PHONE ON THIS DAIS.
YOU KNOW WHY?
I CAN'T GET ACCUSED OF ANYTHING IF I DON'T HAVE ONE.
AND THAT IS HOW I GO THROUGH LIFE.
SOMETIMES I MAKE AN ERROR.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ERROR AND A MISTAKE.
THAT IS FOR ANOTHER DAY.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, YOU DO YOUR JOB TO THE BEST OF YOUR
ABILITY.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU INSULTLY OR IF I -- IF YOU TELL ME I DID
SOMETHING WRONG AND YOU ADVISE ME AND I TELL YOU NO, YOU
HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU.
BECAUSE I SAID NO TO YOU.
YOU ARE THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND YOU ARE THE MAYOR'S
ATTORNEY.
AND I BELIEVE IN STRAIGHT -- I AM NOT AGAINST ANYONE OR FOR
ANYONE.
I AM TELLING YOU WHAT CHARLIE MIRANDA WAS SHOT LIVING IN THE
BEAUTIFUL CONDOMINIUM OF TAMPA.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY.
I CALL IT THE CONDOS OF TAMPA SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, A HELL
OF A LIFE, IF YOU JUST WALK DOWN THE NARROW STREETS AND SAY
HI TO EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:51:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:51:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I, FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES
FOR BRINGING THE QUESTIONS AND QUITE HONESTLY AIRING THE
LAUNDRY THAT WE ALL FEEL ABOUT THE OFFICE AND NOT YOU, THE
PERSON.
THE OFFICE IS SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO LOOK AT I
APPRECIATE COUNCIL CARLSON'S QUESTIONS AND COUNCILMAN GUDES'
COMMENTS AND I WILL DISAGREE WITH OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS AND
SAY THAT THERE MAY BE -- A ERA, WE COULD NOT FORGET OUR
PAST.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
HOW THIS COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THAT.
AND I HAVE -- I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WILL DO THAT.
AS SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS SAID, WE SIT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION TOGETHER.
I GOT TO KNOW YOU THERE.
I HAVE WORKED WITH YOU SINCE JOINING COUNCIL SEVERAL MONTHS
AGO.
AND I DO FEEL LIKE I CAN COME AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT
DIFFERENT MATTERS AROUND I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
AND YOUR REPUTATION DOES PROCEED YOU.
BUT WE NEED NEED TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS AND THINK ABOUT
THEM AS YOU GO FORWARD.
AND I REALLY -- WHILE I -- I ABSOLUTELY AM SUPPORTING YOU
TODAY, I DO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT OFFICE, WE HAVE TO THINK OF
THE OFFICE THAT WE HOLD AND HOW WE ACTUALLY -- HOW WE
REPRESENT THAT OFFICE.
SO TODAY WE ARE LOOKING AT A NEW CHAPTER OF THAT OFFICE.
BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL THINK ABOUT THE
PAST AND WHAT THE OFFICE HAVE REPRESENTED IN THE PAST AND
HOW IT WILL BE DIFFERENT GOING FORWARD.
IS ANYBODY FINISHED?
10:53:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS ZELMAN, THIS COUNCIL, THIS CITY HAS
FACED SITUATIONS THAT NO OTHER COUNCIL AND NO OTHER CITY HAS
FACED IN THE PAST.
WE HAVE A PANDEMIC AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY MAJOR, ANY
COUNCIL, OR ANY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHO WILL CALL SOMEBODY
AND SAY, HEY, HOW IT YOU HANDLE YOUR PANDEMIC BACK IN 1921.
WE THEN HAD PEACEFUL PROTESTING IN THE STREETS.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY MAYOR OR COUNCIL OR LEGAL STAFF
TO HOW DID YOU HANDLE THAT.
WHEN THEY WERE FACED WITH A RECESSION.
AND MY OPINION THAT THIS CITY HAS COME OUT THE OTHER END
STRONGER AND BETTER BECAUSE OF IT.
MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THIS COUNTRY.
I AM VERY PROUD OF THIS COUNCIL.
I AM VERY PROUD TO HAVE WORKED WITH THEM.
I AM VERY PROUD TO BE WORK WITH THE MAYOR.
BUT THERE WAS ADVICE GIVEN BY OUR CITY LEGAL TEAM THAT, IN
MY OPINION, WAS GREAT ADVICE.
I CONGRATULATE YOU ON BEING HANDED THE BATON WE ARE STILL
GOING TO HAVE HURDLES THAT WE COST.
AND CONFIDENCE IN PART OF OUR LEGAL TEAM THAT WERE TOP FIVE
IN THE 100 MUNICIPALS ATTORNEYS OF LAW IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA.
WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM.
WE HAVE A GREAT FAMILY.
MISS ZELMAN, I WELCOME YOU.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THIS
IS YOUR COMMITTEE.
WOULD YOU LIKE --
10:55:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE ITEM NUMBER 36
WITH GREAT HONOR.
10:55:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA OF THE
FINANCE COMMITTEE TO MOVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 36, F 22-76934,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
10:56:08AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:56:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:56:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:56:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:56:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I SAID I AM VOTING YES WITH THE FAITH
THAT YOU FOLLOW CHARTER AND DEFEND CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
10:56:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:56:23AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[APPLAUSE]
10:56:42AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CAN I MAKE A FEW SHORT REMARKS.
10:56:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET BACK TO WORK.
10:56:47AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
: WE ALL DO.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE TODAY.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TRUST IN ME.
AND I WILL WORK TO CONTINUE TO EARN IT.
I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR, OF COURSE, FOR APPOINTING ME AND
THANK GINA GRIMES FOR BRINGING ME BACK TO THE CITY IN 2019,
ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO TODAY.
AND FOR PUTTING IN PLACE A INCREDIBLY DIVERSE -- ONE OF HER
GOALS -- INCREDIBLE LEGAL STAFF MANY OF WHOM CAME DOWN HERE
TO SUPPORT ME WHICH I APPRECIATE AS WELL.
THEY ARE REALLY INCREDIBLE EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T GET THE BEST
LAWYERS WHATEVER.
THEY ARE ALL GOOD.
THEY ALL WORK REALLY HARD FOR THE CITY AND REALLY HARD FOR
THE CITY COUNCIL.
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, OUR OFFICE HAS IMPLEMENTED POLICIES
AND PROCESSES THAT HAVE MADE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ONE THAT
OPERATES WITH PROFESSIONALISM, A STRONG WORK ETHIC AND ONE
THAT ALWAYS STRIVE TO PRODUCE QUALITY WORK FOR ALL OF YOU.
I WANT TO BUILD ON THAT FOUNDATION THAT WAS LAID SO WE CAN
CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TOWARD THAT COMMON GOAL OF SERVING
THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AS I SAID, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE, TO
ME, TO ANYONE WITH QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS,
SUGGESTIONS, OPEN DOOR, OPEN AIR POLICY.
I THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER WITH ALL OF YOU.
THANK YOU.
10:58:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:58:14AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:58:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK IN MR. BENNETT.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION AND IN LINE WITH SOME OF
THE THINGS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY WEEK MORE AND MORE SUBSTANTIVE EVIDENCE
IS SURFACING THAT THE MAYOR'S STAFF HAS COLLABORATED TO
ATTACK CITY COUNCILMEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY.
AND NOW WE HAVE -- THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE IT
CONSPIRACY THEORIES.
WE HAVE WRITTEN EVIDENCE OF THIS.
AS THIS EVIDENCE SURFACE, I ASKED SEVERAL TIMES FOR THE
MAYOR TO PUBLICLY CALL FOR THE ATTACKS TO STOP.
SHE SHOULD FRANKLY CHANGE STAFF OR POLL SEEING.
UP ASK FOR THE MAYOR TO PUBLICLY HALT.
MY COLLEAGUES OF PEACE AND COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT.
I STARTED THAT AND TRIED TO DO THAT FOR YOU.
AS LONG AS CITY STAFF MEMBERS ARE COLLUDING TO ATTACK US AND
SET UP OTHER CITY COUNCILMEMBERS TO ATTACK EACH OTHER, WE
NEVER WILL MOVE THIS CITY FORWARD.
ASK YOU -- PLEASE NOT YOU, BUT ASK THE MAYOR TO PUBLICLY
DENOUNCE THESE ACTIVITIES AND APOLOGIZE FOR THEM SO WE CAN
MOVE THIS CITY FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
10:59:43AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
10:59:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL, WE HAVE A 12:00 HARD STOP TIME.
10:59:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE AUDIT FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS
SITTING DOWN AND THEY ARE ANXIOUS -- LET'S GO TO THEM FIRST,
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:00:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF WE CAN.
THERE IS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT HAS BEEN ASKED TO MOVE FORWARD.
I BELIEVE IT IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 51.
SO IF I CAN HAVE SOMEONE OPEN THE 9:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:00:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION.
11:00:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
11:00:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
IF YOU INDULGE US, STAFF, TO HEAR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 51.
FILE NUMBER REZ 22-40.
11:00:52AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
GOOD MORNING, ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM 51, CASE 22-40 IS PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION 110 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM OP, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, MULTIFAMILY --
11:01:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY.
11:01:16AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE WE GO MUCH FURTHER.
I DON'T THINK WE TOOK AN OATH.
11:01:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I DO APOLOGIZE.
ANYONE WHO WILL BE GIVING EVIDENCE AT THIS TIME ANYONE WHO
WILL BE GIVING EVIDENCE AT THIS TIME, WILL YOU PLEASE RISE
TO BE SWORN IN.
THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY.
[SWEARING IN]
11:01:40AM >> I DO.
11:01:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE PROCEED.
11:01:46AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ZAIN HUSSEIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
CASE REZ 22-40.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT 110 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM OP, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, STRIP
SHOPPING CENTER, RETAIL, BANK AND DRIVE IN.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DROPPED OFF TO THE CITY'S CLERK OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
11:02:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
SEEING NONE.
PLEASE PROCEED.
11:02:27AM >> TRUETT GARDNER, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, PICK OFF WHERE WE
LEFT OFF.
GREG MINDER WILL BE PROVIDING TESTIMONY.
ADDIE CLARK A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH OUR LAW FIRM AND BRAD
CALDWELL WITH DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL, SPECIFICALLY YOU MR. MIRANDA
TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO BE CONTINUED FOR ONE WEEK.
AND IF YOU RECALL, AFTER REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE UNIVERSITY
OF TAMPA, SCOTT GOSEN AND IN OUR SECOND READING LAST
THURSDAY WE, I AGREE, HAD TO CONTINUE THIS MATTER FOR TWO
REASONS.
FIRST, IS TO MEET WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AFTER
FLORIDA GOSEN STATED WE HAD NOT COMMUNICATED WITH HIM AND
THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SECOND, UT EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THE DEVELOPER IS NOT
PROVIDING ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THIS PROJECT.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS BOTH OF THOSE TOPICS.
AS TO THE ISSUE OF NOTICE, WE HAVE REVIEWED OUR FILES AND
CORRESPONDENCE, PARTICULARLY FOR DUE PROCESS PURPOSES.
I WANT TO DISPEL ANY NOTION THAT NOTICE WAS NOT CORRECT, AND
FURTHER THAT UT WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS PROJECT.
TO THAT END, THIS IS AN E-MAIL FROM NOVEMBER 23 FROM DR.
VAUGHN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA TO GREG MINDER
STATING -- YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAY BE WORK ON A SECOND PROJECT
NEAR UT WHICH IS THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.
SECOND, AND AS A COURTESY TO THE UNIVERSITY, WE FILED OUR
REZONING ON JANUARY 11.
AND GREG MINDER SENT AN E-MAIL TO DR. VAUGHN AND JUST GOING
BACK ONE OTHER SENTENCE IN THIS NOVEMBER 23 E-MAIL, THE
UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT MADE MR. MENDER AWARE.
AND THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, PLEASE NOTE THAT JENNIFER SKYA
REMAIN A POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE HENRY RELATIONSHIP OR ANY
REQUEST FOR DATA OR CONVERSATIONS OF FUTURE OFF-CAMPUS
PROJECTS.
SO JANUARY 11, WE FILED OUR REZONING.
MR. MENDER SENDS AN E-MAIL AS A COURTESY TO DR. VAUGHN AND
JENNIFER SKIA MAKING THEM KNOW -- YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE
FIRST LINE, WE MADE OUR REZONING FILING TODAY.
FAST FORWARD -- AND THIS IS ON THE ISSUE OF NOTICE.
THIS IS OUR AFFIDAVIT OF COMPLIANCE WITH NOTICE.
AND YOU WILL NOTICE IN THE CERTIFICATE OF MAILING SECTION
HIGHLIGHTED IS THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, DATE OF CERTIFICATE
OF MAIL IN WAS JUNE 15.
FINALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE MEETING, MR. MENDER WILL
TESTIFY REQUEST THAT, BUT THEY WERE TO MEET WITH THE
UNIVERSITY ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK.
UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAD TO AGREE TO DISAGREE AND WE WILL BE
GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT.
AS IT RELATES TO PARKING, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO YOU TO
PROVIDE PROPER JUSTIFICATION TO SUPPORT THE PARKING WAIVER
THAT IS BEING REQUESTED.
I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND ITS
PROFESSIONALS HAVE BEEN THOUGHTFUL OF HOW THEY ARRIVED AT
THEIR PARKING COUNT.
AS A RESULT, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT YOUR UNANIMOUS VOTE
AT THE FIRST READING ON JULY 21, WHICH INCLUDED A DISCUSSION
AND QUESTIONS ON THE PARKING WAIVER WAS CORRECT AND
WARRANTED.
WITH THAT SAID, WE HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS ISSUE FURTHER
AND ADDIE CLERK WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SUPPORT
THIS REQUEST.
ADDIE IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND SPENT THE LAST SIX
YEARS AT KIMLEY-HORN WORK ON TRANSPORTATION MATTERS.
I HAVE HER CV WHICH I WILL BE HAPPY TO TURN INTO THE RECORD.
11:06:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS HERE AND I
DON'T KNOW IF --
11:06:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S GO AHEAD AND PROCEED.
11:06:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST OUT OF COURTESY TO THE APPLICANT.
11:06:53AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS NOT HERE TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I WILL NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
[SWEARING IN]
11:07:09AM >> I DO.
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
FOR THE RECORD, ANY NAME IS ADDIE CLARK, 400 NORTH ASHLEY
DRIVE.
AS TRUETT SAID, A REGISTERED ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA AND I SPECIALIZE IN TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING AND
PLANNING.
AS TRUETT MENTIONED, IT WAS ANALYZED IN GREAT DETAIL IN
QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE PERSPECTIVE.
THIS SEEKS TO KNACKSMIZE THE STUDENTS ACCESSIBILITY TO THE
SCHOOL AND TO URBAN AMENITIES.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO VIEW THIS PROJECT AS A VITAL COMPONENT IN
PROMOTING THE LIVE, LEARN, WORK AND PLAY ENVIRONMENT THAT
EXTENDS JUST A HALF A MILE BEYOND THE DEFINED CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THIS SLIDE -- AND I HAVE -- I HAVE A NOTE ON THE ELMO.
THANK YOU.
THIS SLIDE HERE HIGHLIGHTS THE PROXIMITY OF THE PROJECT
TO UT AND TO THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
AS SEEN WITH THE DARKER GREEN LINE, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED A
FIVE-MINUTE WALK AWAY FROM THE CENTER OF UT'S CAMPUS.
WITH THE LIME GREEN LINE, TEN-MINUTE WALK FROM THE CENTER OF
DOWNTOWN.
NOW TO ZOOM IN ON THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLIST PERSPECTIVE.
THIS NEXT SLIDE INDICATES THAT A STUDENT CAN WAKE UP, HOP ON
THEIR BIKE AND MAKE IT TO PLANT HALL IN JUST ABOUT THREE
MINUTES.
IN ADDITION BEING ABLE TO BIKE, RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO BE
NEAR MICROMOBILITY HUBS.
THESE MICROMOBILITY HUBS ARE CHANGING THE WAY PEOPLE DO
THINGS.
SCOOTING TO MEET UP WITH FRIENDS OR GO RUN AN ERRAN
DOWNTOWN.
ER LESSENING THE DEPENDENCE ON SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLES AND
PARKING.
NOW TO TAKE A MORE QUANTITATIVE LOOK.
11:09:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE ZOOM OUT.
A LITTLE BUTTON ON TOP.
11:09:05AM >> THANK YOU.
INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TO TAMPA.
AS MENTION IN THE FIRST READING, THE CODE REQUIRED PARKING
TODAY IF YOU PICKED UP THIS SITE AND DROPPED IT ABOUT HALF A
MILE EAST, YOU THIS CDB CHANNEL DISTRICT OR FURTHER TO YBOR.
YOU CAN SEE THE 210 SPACES THAT THE PROJECT IS PROVIDE ALSO
BE PROVIDING MORE PARKING AS REQUIRED IN THOSE CLOSE
PROXIMITY AREAS.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE RED BOX, THE OF CENTRAL CITY MULTIFAMILY
PARKING CODE IS AN OUTLIER.
THE MULTIFAMILY PARKING RATIO REQUIRED BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS
AND THE INSTITUTE OF ENGINEERS IS 0.97 SPACES OR 0.31 SPACES
PER BED.
THIS PROJECT IS PROVIDING MORE THAN THAT AVERAGE WITH 1.089
SPACES PER UNIT AND 0.35 SPACES PER BED.
THIS IS A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF THE TABLE THAT YOU
JUST SAW.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE FAR RIGHT OF THE GRAPH, THERE IS
CURRENTLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN
THE CDB AND CHANNEL DISTRICT OF ADDING STUDENT HOUSING AS A
DEFINED LAND USE.
CURRENTLY NOT A STUDENT HOUSING AS A DEFINED LAND USE IN THE
CITY CODE.
ALL BEFORE IS YOU FOR TRUE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
ONE IS GOING TO AND FROM WORK AND ULTIMATELY NEED MORE
PARKING FOR THEIR VEHICLES RATHER THAN A STUDENT THAT LIVES
A MERE FIVE-MINUTE WALK FROM CAMPUS AND TEN MINUTES
DOWNTOWN.
LOOKING OUTSIDE OF TAMPA, THE ARCHITECT SPECIALIZES IN MID
AND HIGH-RISE STUDENT PROJECTS.
THESE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF STUDENT HOUSING PROJECTS
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT THEY HAVE WORKED ON.
ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE SIMILAR TO THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU
AS THEY ARE ALL IN URBAN AREAS AND LOCATED WITHIN WALKING
DISTANCE OF A COLLEGE CAMPUS.
THESE SITES PROVIDE AN AVERAGE PARKING RATIO OF .27 SPACES
PER BED, WHEREAS THIS PROJECT IS .35 SPACES PER BED.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE CITY PARKING THAT IS REQUIRED IS
AN EXTREME OUTLIER.
AND HERE IS A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF THAT TABLE AS
WELL.
SO WITH THE DATA LISTED AND THE PRIME LOCATION OF THIS
PROJECT SITE, IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THE PARKING
PROVIDED IS SUFFICIENT AND THAT THE SITE SEEKS TO MAXIMIZE
THE USER'S ABILITY TO URBAN AMENITIES, PEDESTRIAN
INFRASTRUCTURE, AND OTHER MICRO MOBILITY TO REDUCE ALLIANCE
ON A VEHICLES AND PARKING.
THANK YOU.
AND NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE DEVELOPER, GREG
MENDER.
11:11:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
I HAVE A COUPLE, PLEASE.
MA'AM -- NO, THIS IS GOING TO GO TO YOU, BUT I WANT HIM HERE
BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A JUMP IN.
YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS GOING ON THIS BUILDING BEING
OCCUPIED SOLELY BY STUDENTS.
11:12:05AM >> SO MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION LOOKED AT THE STUDENT HOUSING
AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL AND DRIVE-IN BANK HOLISTICALLY,
BUT WE KNEW THAT STUDENT HOUSING WAS THE MAJOR QUESTION WHEN
IT CAME TO PARKING.
11:12:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU SAID STUDENT HOUSING.
CAN YOU GUARANTEE YOU -- THIS COUNCIL, THAT IT WILL BE 100%
OCCUPIED FROM STUDENTS FIVE YEAR FROM NOW, TEN YEARS.
11:12:32AM >> I WISH I COULD BUT A THING CALLED THE FAIR HOUSING ACT
THAT GETS IN THE WAY.
MR. MENDER CAN TESTIFY HOW THEY DISSUADE PEOPLE --
11:12:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU --
11:12:43AM >> WHAT YOU SEE IN THE IT AND WHERE THE CITY IS GOING AND
WHERE THERE IS NO HOUSING DEVELOPMENT -- STUDENT HOUSING
DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN ASSURE THAT, YOU ARE SEEING A BREAK OUT
IN THE CODE OF DEVELOPMENT INTENDED FOR STUDENT HOUSING.
11:12:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A SIMPLE NO WOULD HAVE ANSWERED.
BUT TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
11:13:03AM >> MIXTURE OF BOTH.
TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.
11:13:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN YOU PUT BACK UP THAT ELMO SLIDE THAT YOU
HAD OF THE BIKE ROUTES TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA NO, THE
OTHER ONE.
HAD THE BLUE LINE.
I NEED TO ASK THIS QUESTION OF YOU.
11:13:23AM >> YES.
11:13:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA A RIDE FRIENDLY
CAMPUS?
ARE THEY PERMITTING MULTIMODAL RIDE ON THEIR CAMPUS?
MEANING BICYCLE, SCOOTER.
11:13:45AM >> BICYCLES I BELIEVE --
11:13:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BELIEVE OR NO?
11:13:51AM >> I BELIEVE BICYCLES ARE ALLOWED.
BUT I WILL LET U.T. OR BETTER --
11:13:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEY WILL COME UP AND GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:14:00AM >> FOR SCOOTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON CAMPUS.
11:14:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SCOOTERS ARE.
11:14:06AM >> ARE NOT.
11:14:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM TRYING TO FIT IN IF THIS IS GOING TO BE
SPECIFICALLY FOR STUDENT HOUSING WHICH WE JUST HEARD THAT
BECAUSE OF FAIR HOUSING IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE.
THAT THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE COME UP WITH AS AN ENGINEER WILL
ALLOW STUDENTS NOT TO HAVE TO HAVE CARS BUT BE ABLE TO USE
MULTIMODAL TO GET TO AND FROM CAMPUS.
MY QUESTION TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS ARE THEY
RIDE-FRIENDLY.
I THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:14:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A QUICK FOLLOW-UP.
CAN YOU PUT THE SQUIGGLY CHART UP.
11:14:42AM >> TWO SQUIGGLY ONES, THE TAMPA COMPARISON --
11:14:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE STUDENT HOUSING ONE, THANK YOU.
OKAY, IF I JUST HEARD THIS CORRECTLY.
FAIR HOUSING LAW DOES NOT ALLOW THIS TO BE RESTRICTED JUST
FOR STUDENTS.
IF IT WAS NOT STUDENTS AND, FOR EXAMPLE, FAMILIES STAYING
HERE, WHAT WOULD BE THE PARKING EXPECTATIONS.
WOULD THE PARKING NEEDS BE GREATER THAN WHAT YOU ARE
ESTIMATING AS A STUDENT?
AND WHAT WILL THAT BE.
11:15:11AM >> I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO REFER TO THIS GRAPHIC IF THAT'S
ALL RIGHT.
THIS SHOWS HOW CURRENTLY NOT A STUDENT HOUSING LAND USE IN
CITY CODE WHO IS OVER.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THESE BULLETS THAT YOU ARE SEEING ARE
FOR RULE TO MULTIFAMILY.
YOU ARE SEEING THE BLACK DOTTED LINE IS WHAT THIS PROJECT IS
PROVIDING AND PROVIDING MORE PARKING THAN REQUIRED.
IF THIS IS A TRUE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT, CHANNEL DISTRICTS, YBOR, WILL ALSO
PROVIDING MORE PARKING THAN WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE
INSTITUTES OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS.
11:15:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, IF IT WAS
MULTIFAMILY IN THE BUILDING.
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR EXPECTATION BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AS
TO HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WILL BE NEEDED?
11:16:01AM >> I BELIEVE WITH THIS GRAPH, I WILL SHOW -- TO ME -- MY
PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING A SOLID
AVERAGE WITH WHAT IS PROVIDED PER CODE.
I DO BELIEVE STUDENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTUNED TO
BIKING AND GOING PLACES.
THEY LOVE TO WALK AROUND, OUTSIDE.
BUT THIS GRAPH, I BELIEVE THAT WITH MULTIFAMILY WE WOULD BE
PROVIDING AVERAGE -- SIMILAR TO WHAT IS AROUND THE AREA.
11:16:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT OTHER CHART THAT SAID .35 OR .21.
WHAT WOULD THAT NUMBER BE FOR MULTIFAMILY.
11:16:35AM >> MR. CARLSON, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS
HERE.
THIS DEPICTS IT BETTER AS FAR AS NUMBER WISE.
WHAT ADDIE SAID THAT WITH ARTFULLY STATED, TAKE THIS
DEVELOPMENT AND MOVE IT TO YBOR, CHANNEL DISTRICT OR
THE CDB, THEY WILL PROVIDE MULTIFAMILY.
AND IF THERE IS NO STUDENT HOUSE, 182, 182, 182.
WE ARE PROVIDE 210.
11:17:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT THE REQUIREMENT, BUT THE EXPECTATION OF
HOW MANY SPACES YOU WOULD NEED.
11:17:12AM >> ONE SPACE PER UNIT LIKE TRUETT MENTIONED IS THE GENERAL
TREND HERE WHICH I BELIEVE IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CODES
AND WHAT WE SEE HISTORICALLY.
11:17:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT WOULD THAT NUMBER BE ON THE RIGHT
COLUMN, DO YOU KNOW?
YOU CAN'T PREDICT HOW MANY BEDS.
BUT IS IT LIKE -- LIKE A HIGHER NUMBER THAN THOSE?
11:17:36AM >> THIS BREAKS OUT -- WHAT THAT WOULD BE ON A PER BED BASIS
--
11:17:44AM >> CORRECT.
11:17:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A REQUIREMENT OR WHAT YOU SEE AS A PATTERN
IN THE INDUSTRY.
11:17:49AM >> WITH THE LADDER, PER UNIT IS WHAT PARKING CODES ARE
DEFINED AS, THE INDEPENDENT PER UNIT.
BEDS IS SOMETHING WE SHOW HERE RELATED TO THE STUDENT
HOUSING AND TO GET IN A GENERAL FEEL OF HOW THIS STUDENT
HOUSING PROJECT WILL RELATE TO THESE MULTIFAMILY CODES IF
YOU BROKE IT OUT USING AN INDEPENDENT VARIABLE.
BUT UNITS IS THE INDEPENDENT VARIABLE USED.
11:18:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:18:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GREW UP EIGHT BLOCKS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
FLORIDA.
11:18:23AM >> GO GATORS.
11:18:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO HOW LIKELY --
WHAT ARE THE REASONS THAT SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A STUDENT WOULD
CHOOSE TO LIVE AMONG STUDENTS?
11:18:47AM >> SO ONE THING -- I THINK ESPECIALLY GOING TO THE
UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND THIS AREA AS WELL, IF SOMEONE --
SAY A YOUNG NURSE JUST STARTING OUT OR IN MEDICAL SCHOOL,
MAYBE A STUDENT IN THAT CASE, BUT WITH THE RATES BEING A
LITTLE BIT LOWER, THEY ARE IN THE HUB, ESPECIALLY THIS URBAN
AREA.
A WALKABILITY AND HAVING THE DIFFERENT MIX OF USES IN THAT
ONE AREA WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.
WE SEE TRENDS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO BE IN AN URBAN
ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY CAN WALK TO MEET THEIR FRIENDS.
WALK TO GO GET GROCERIES.
I CAN SEE THAT SOMEONE WHO IS A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL WANTING
TO SAVE SOME MONEY AND BE IN A VIBING, FUN, ACTIVATED AREA.
11:19:25AM >> WOULD YOU MIND IF I JUMP IN ON THAT ANSWER AS WELL.
IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE THIS IS GOOD TO GAINESVILLE AND ADDIE
AND I WERE LOOKING AT THAT YESTERDAY.
WE WORKED ON A DEVELOPMENT CALLED THE NINE WHICH IS -
11:19:41AM >> DEAN -- WHAT IS INTERESTING, IT HAD A VERY HIGH PARKING
RATIO BUT THEN ONE CALLED SOCIAL 28.
LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CAMPUS.
AS YOU REMEMBER HERE .35, IT WAS .18.
WHAT IS BEARING OUT AND USINGUT AS AN EXAMPLE.
AS A PART OF THAT DRIVING TO CAMPUS IS A CAMPUS AND
SOMETHING THEY DO.
THEY ARE GOING TO CHOOSE SOMETHING WITH A DEVELOPMENT THAT
HAS PARKING WHEREAS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOVING THE URBAN
LIFE.
THEY WANT TO LIVE CLOSE.
THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP THE CAR SO THEY CAN WALK.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE SITUATION WITH SOCIAL 18.
THAT IS THE SITUATION WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.
AGAIN .18 AT SOCIAL 18.
.35 HERE.
11:20:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:20:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
PLEASE PROCEED.
11:20:39AM >> ANY NAME IS GREG MENDER, 2915 WEST BAY CORN AVENUE.
I AM ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROJECT.
ONE OF THE PARTNERS.
I STOOD BEFORE YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND WENT THROUGH
SOME OF THE STATISTICS ASSOCIATED WITH A IN AND WE FOLLOWED
UP WITH ADDITIONAL STATISTICS TODAY, MEASURES, CODE
REQUIREMENTS, ETC.
WE THINK OUR -- A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS MEASURED BASE
AND ON EXPERIENCE AND PARALLELING OUR PROJECT AND LOOKING AT
OUR PROJECT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHERE IT SITS AND IN THE
CONTEXT OF WHERE TRENDS ARE MOVING IN THE MARKET.
TRENDS ARE MOVING NOT JUST IN THE TAMPA MARKET BUT IN THE
BROADER MARKET AS STUDENT HOUSING.
SINCE THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, THERE A WAY TO GUARANTEE
STUDENTS LIVE IN THIS BUILDING, 100%.
THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO BECAUSE LAWS ASSOCIATE WITH THAT;
HOWEVER, THE REASON THIS INDUSTRY EXISTS AS A STUDENT
HOUSING PRODUCT IS SIMILAR TO THE REASON THAT OTHER PRODUCTS
EXIST IN THE MULTIFAMILY MARKET.
THEY ARE TARGETED TOWARD THE END USERS.
THEY ARE MET WITH THE THINGS WE PROVIDE.
AMENITIES, DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, EVERYTHING FROM INTERNET
CONNECTIVITY OF THE AMEN TIE, THE SPACES THEY OCCUPY IN THE
BUILDING.
THE FACT THAT IT IS FURNISHED.
MOVE-IN READY AND EASY TO BE A RESIDENT OF OUR BUILDING.
AND REALLY WHAT I AM GOING WITH THAT IS MARKET DEMAND AS
MUCH OF AN INFLUENCE OVER US AS MUCH OF THE STATISTICS DO.
IT IS NOT IN OUR BENEFIT TO UNDERAMEN ADVERTISE OR PARK A
PROJECT.
NOT TO OUR BENEFIT IF A RESIDENT ASKS TO LIVE THERE AND SOLE
CRITERIA TO HAVE AN APARTMENT AND PLACE TO LIVE ALONG WITH A
PARKING SPACE, WE WILL SEEK OUT OTHER PLACES TO LIVE.
THAT IS OUR RISK.
AND AS A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, WE MEASURE THAT RISK DAILY AND
TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY NOT ONLY TO
OURSELVES, OUR INVESTORS AND POTENTIAL RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN
THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE TO MEASURE ALL THESE THINGS AND PUT IN PLACE WHAT WE
BELIEVE IS FINANCIAL ALLY SUCCESSFUL AND YOU WILL FATLY FROM
A LIFESTYLE AND NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T IS SUCCESSFUL.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID INVESTING IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND AREAS
AND MAKING THEM CONSISTENT AND BASED ON THE FEEDBACK OF THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD IS IMPORTANT.
WE ASKED OUR NEIGHBORS AROUND US TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR
PROJECT.
WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN OUR IMMEDIATE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ARE
ALL ON BOARD.
THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS AN IMPORTANT CONSTITUENT IN WHAT
WE ARE DOING.
WE LISTENED TO THEM.
WE MET WITH THEM THE OTHER DAY.
THE WAY WE MEASURE THE MARKET AND DEMAND AND THE AMOUNT OF
PARKING THEY REQUESTED WE INCLUDE IN THIS PROJECT IS NOT A
FEASIBLE NUMBER.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE -- THE COST TO BUILD, BUT ALSO THE
FACT THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE OUR CLIENTELE WILL DEMAND IT.
GIVEN THAT THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW PRODUCT TO THE URBAN
CORE OF TAMPA, THE STUDENT HOUSING FOCUS MODEL, WE HAVE
BORNE OUT THROUGH OUR EXPERIENCE THAT WE ARE MORE WALKABLE
AS A PRODUCT.
THAT WE ARE SEEING LOWER DEMAND FOR PARKING.
THERE ARE HIGHER OFFERINGS OF MOBILITY.
CERTAINLY MICROMOBILITY HAS IMPROVED TREMENDOUSLY IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
WE CAN'T BUILD ENOUGH PACKAGE STORAGE IN OUR BUILDINGS TO
MEET THE DEMAND.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE OFTEN SEE IN OUR MOVE-
PROCESS WHICH WE ARE JUST COMPLETING IN OUR PROJECT IN
DOWNTOWN PROJECT CALLED THE HENRY IS THAT A LOT OF STUDENTS
THAT OCCUPY OUR BUILDING ARE FROM THE NORTHEAST OR
MIDWESTERN UNITED STATES.
THEY LITERALLY FLY IN AND SHIP THEIR GOODS, CLOTHING, THINGS
FOR THEIR APARTMENTS TO THE BUILDING ITSELF.
WE RECEIVE THEM FOR THEM.
THEY FLY INTO TOWN TO OUR PLACE AND MOVE IN.
WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS STRAIN TREMLEY ON OUR PROJECT.
THEY ALSO THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, WE DESIGN
INTO OUR PROJECTS PACKAGE STORAGE FOR AMAZON, FEDERAL
EXPRESS, STATIONS FOR UBER EATS AND ALL THE OTHER
SERVICES, INSTACART AND SHIPD.
STUDENTSED TO ARE APP FRIENDLY.
THEY ARE TECHOLOGY SAVVY AND THEY USE THE SERVICES MORE THAN
I EVER WOULD USE THEM.
WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT WHO OUR TARGET MARKET IS
AND HOW THIS THEY LIVE THEIR LIFE TODAY.
THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY WE ALL MEASURE THAT AS
INDIVIDUALS OF MY AGE OF 53.
I HAVE TWO YOUNG DAUGHTERS WHO ARE IN THE COLLEGIATE ERA.
AND I KNOW THEIR LIFESTYLE IS HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON OTHER
OPTIONS FOR MOBILITY AND NOT CARS.
THAT IS ANECDOTAL, BUT WE HAVE TO WEAVE IN A LITTLE ART AND
SCIENCE IN WHAT WE DO.
FINANCE ASSOCIATED WITH REVIEWING A DEAL.
LOOKING AT OUR TARGET MARKET.
WE CAN PUT TOGETHER ALL THESE STATISTICS, MEASURE THEM,
DESIGN TO THEM.
ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT IF WE DON'T TRULY BELIEVE THAT WILL BE
SUCCESSFUL AND WE PUT THAT INTO THE MARKET, IT IS COMPLETELY
AGAINST OUR BEST INTEREST TO UNDERSERVE OUR TARGET MARKET.
RIGHT.
THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE TO BALANCE THOSE THINGS.
WE BELIEVE WE STRUCK THAT BALANCE AND STRUCK IT WELL WITH
WHAT WE ARE PUTTING IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE FEEL THAT WITH A LOT OF CONVICTION.
WE WON'T BE HERE TODAY TO JUST SAY, WELL, WE KIND OF BATTED
AROUND IN A CONFERENCE ROOM.
WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
WE HAVE DONE ALL OF OUR HOMEWORK.
WE THINK WE HAVE SHOWN YOU THAT HOMEWORK AND FOLLOWING STAND
BY THAT HOMEWORK, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY OUR RISK
THAT POTENTIAL TENANTS WILL MOVE ON AND WON'T RENT IN OUR
BUILDING AND THAT LACK OF DEMAND OR INABILITY TO MEET THAT
SUPPLY -- THAT DEMAND WITH OUR SUPPLY WOULD BE AT OUR RISK.
I THINK LASTLY, SOMEONE SAID EARLIER ON, I THINK IT WAS
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THAT YOUR QUASI-JUDICIAL GROUP, RIGHT.
SO YOU ARE HERE TO MEASURE NOT ONLY STATS AND TESTIMONY AND
FACTS AND BASIS BUT ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ART, RIGHT, OF
WHAT WE PRESENT TO YOU AS DEVELOPERS.
MEASURING WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS APPLICABLE TO THIS LOCATION
IS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO DO IS TO NOT ONLY LOOK AT
STATISTICS BUT LISTEN TO THE TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF YOU.
THANK YOU.
11:27:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THIS CASE?
PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:27:17AM >> MY NAME IS SCOTT GOSIN, THE DIRECTOR OF THE DESIGN AND
CONSTRUCTION FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
I AM A REGISTERED ARCHITECT AND AN EXPERT IN THIS MATTER AS
WELL.
I AM GOING TO GO TO -- JUST ADDRESSING SOME COUNTY ITEMS
THAT THEY RAISED.
THIS WEEK WE HEARD OF THE URGENT NEED FOR MORE STUDENT
HOUSING.
I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE DEVELOPER DID NOT SPEAK
TO THE UNIVERSITY.
I AM SORRY, BUT SENDING AN E-MAIL TO THE PRESIDENT SAYING
YOU ARE LOOKING AT DOING THE PROJECT DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY
DETAIL WHAT THE PROJECT IS.
ALL OF OUR CURRENT STUDENTS ON CAMPUS HAVE ALL BEEN
SUCCESSFULLY HOUSE THIS YEAR.
ONCE AGAIN THIS SO-CALLED URGENT NEED IS AN ANOMALY.
THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 4,000 UNITS CURB RECENTLY UNDER
CONSTRUCTION OR PROPOSED AROUND THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
WE ONLY HAVE 500 UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS HOUSED OFFCAMPUS.
THIS WHOLE NOTION THIS WILL BE FILLED WITH STUDENTS IS NOT
REALISTIC.
THE PARKING WAIVER SAYS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS RESERVED FOR
STUDENT HOUSING.
WE TOUCHED ON IT.
THE DEVELOPER IS HOPING TO ATTRACT OUR STUDENTS BUT WILL BE
USED FOR MULTIFAMILY IF NOT FILLED WITH STUDENTS.
AND I THINK THAT IS VERY LIKELY.
THE PARKING WAIVER THAT 80% COME FROM OUT OF STATE AND THE
SAFE ASSUMPTION THAT FELL IN NOT HARNESS A VEHICLE.
THAT IS NOT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT
TALKED TO US. 70% OF THE OFF CAMPUS REGISTER FOR
A PARKING PERMIT.
THIS IS THEIR TARGET POPULATION.
EVEN THE JUNIORS AND SENIOR WHO LIVE ON OUR CAMPUS, 60% OF
THEM REQUEST A PARKING PERMIT.
SO THIS WHOLE .35 IS ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED.
THEY TALK ABOUT THIS PLACE OF ORIGIN.
AND GREG MENTIONED THEY FLY IN.
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
I JUST MENTION THAT 60% OF OUR JUNIORS AND SENIOR WHO LIVE
ON CAMPUS HAVE A CAR.
I MENTIONED THAT 77 TO 81% OF JUNIORS AND SENIORS OFF CAMPUS
HAVE A CAR.
THEY ARE TO OBVIOUSLY NOT FLYING IN.
THEY ARE DRIVING DOWNND MOVING IN.
THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING 456 BED IS ONLY 199 PARKING
SPACES.
THEY TOUCHED TO THAN .35.
THAT IS HALF OF WHAT OUR DOCUMENTED STATISTICS SHOW.
THEY TALK WITH OTHER PLACES ARE DOING.
LET'S LOOK AT OUR AREA WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT.
ADAM AND CHAZ ON THE OAK HURST .71 AND THAT PROJECT WILL BE
IN FRONT OF YOU SEPTEMBER 8.
ZIMMER ON THE WEST SIDE, 1.125, THREE AND A HALF TIMES THIS
DEVELOPMENT.
HENRY HAVE .454 THAT THEY KEEP REFERENCING THAT THEY JUST
EXCEPTIONED.
THIS IS A CRAZY EXCEPTION.
.35 IS NOT APPROPRIATE AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS
PERPETUATED.
THEY SAY THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF IT.IS THEIR PROJECT
AUDIENCE, WE HAVE A PROJECT WITH SEVEN WAIVERS TO PROVIDE
STUDENT WHOING AND HERE WE STAND OBJECTING TO THIS PROJECT.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
IT DOESN'T HOLD WATER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:30:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SORRY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT COMMENT.
I WILL ASK QUESTIONS AFTER YOU GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:30:44AM >> RON VAUGHN, PRESIDENT.
WHEN YOU MADE THE -- THE ORIGINAL JUDGMENTS AT THE PREVIOUS
PRESENTATION, THEY PRESENTED WHAT MIGHT HAVE SEEMED LIKE
COMPELLING FACTS TO YOU ABOUT THE PARKING THAT THEY DIDN'T
NEED IN THEIR CURRENT BUILDING.
AND, OF COURSE, THAT WAS AN ANOMALY LAST YEAR BECAUSE -- DUE
TO THE PANDEMIC, WE HAD A HUGE SURGE OF FRESHMEN THAT CAME
IN, 400 TO 5 MOUNTAIN MORE -- 500 MORE STUDENTS AND ABOUT HALF OF
THEIR BUILDING WAS EMPTY.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO OFFER OPPORTUNITIES TO PARENTS WHO
NORMALLY WOULD NOT GO OFFCAMPUS.
THEY DON'T WANT THAT FOR FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORE.
PARENTS WANT THEIR CHILD ON CAMPUS, BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY
WERE ABLE TO GET HOUSING BECAUSE IT WAS NOTHING ELSE
AVAILABLE AND THEY CAME TO -- TO TAMPA AND TO U.T. TO BE
AT U.T.
THEY CAME WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN NOT BRING CARS TO
TAMPA INCIDENTALLY.
THEY BECAME OCCUPANTS OF THE HENRY.
WE FILLED IT UP IN WITHIN A DAY, BUT, AGAIN, FRESHMEN, WHEN
THEY COME TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, THEY ARE TOLD YOU
CANNOT BRING CARS.
SO WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT THE EXTRA SPACE LAST YEAR IN THE
HENRY, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS MOST UNUSUAL
SITUATION FOR THEM TO HAVE EXTRA SPACE, BECAUSE THEY HAD
ABOUT HALF THE BUILDING WITH FRESHMEN ALL WHO CAME TO TAMPA
FOR THE MOST PART WITHOUT A CAR, KNOWING THAT THEY COULDN'T
HAVE A CAR.
BUT BY THE TIME OUR STUDENTS GET TO A JUNIOR AND SENIOR
STATUS IN PARTICULAR -- THAT IS PRIMARILY THE STUDENTS ARE
GOING OFFCAMPUS.
WE HOUSE THE FRESHMEN AND THE SOPHOMORES AND A FEW JUNIORS
AND SENIORS.
BUT THE JUNIORS AND SENIORS WANT MOBILITY.
YES, THEY CAN WALK TO CAMPUS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF OUR CAMPUS
WORKS.
IT'S 'A HARD-WORKING STUDENT BODY.
AS PART OF THAT, MANY OF THEM ARE DOING INTERNSHIPS
PARTICULARLY IN THEIR JUNIOR AND SENIOR YEAR.
AND INTERNSHIPS HAVE BECOME MORE IMPORTANT.
SO THEY ARE DOING MULTIPLE INTERNSHIPS BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT
HAS A HIGH IMPACT ON THEIR SKILLS.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO REFUTE THE DATA THAT WAS ORIGINALLY
PRESENTED TO YOU.
AND PROBABLY GAVE AN IMPRESSION THAT, THAT FACT, THEY HAD
PLENTY OF PARKING.
WELL, IT WAS JUST DUE TO THE ANOMALY OF FRESHMEN COMING IN
AND NOW THEY ARE SOPHOMORE AND THEY, TOO, DON'T HAVE MANY
CARS.
11:33:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?
MR. CREMER.
11:33:54AM >> IF I CAN USE THE ELMO, WILL CHAIR.
I'M HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
11:34:00AM >> CAN YOU SEE THAT OKAY.
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL, JAY KRAMER WITH STEARNS, WEAVER, MILLER, NUMBER
2100.
401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
I HAVE AN UNUSUAL ASSIGNMENT.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT LANDOWNER TO
THE NORTH.
THE OLD UNIVERSITY INN.
MANY OF YOU PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
TAMPA HEIGHTS LCC.
THEY ALSO OWN THE LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BLOCK TO THE
NORTH.
SO WE ARE THE MOST AFFECTED NEIGHBOR BY THIS PROJECT.
AND -- AND I WILL SAY MY CLIENT AND I HAVE FOUND
MR. GARDNER'S TEAM AND MR. MINDER TO BE, IF ANYTHING, OVERLY
COMMUNICATIVE WITH US.
WE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH THIS PROJECT WE WERE -- WHEN I
GOT INVOLVED, WE WERE CONCERNED OF THE PARKING ISSUE.
OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
AFTER PARKING WITH THEM.
I REVIEWED THE WAIVER.
I REVIEWED THE STUDY, THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY, AND I'M HERE
TO TELL YOU WE WORKED THROUGH OUR ISSUE AND FULLY IN SUPPORT
OF THIS PROJECT.
PETITION THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THE ONLY COMPETENT,
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE I HEARD SO FAR ON THE WAIVER ISSUE IS
FROM A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
I DON'T BELIEVE AN ARCHITECT IS QUALIFIED TO DO THAT TYPE OF
PARKING STUDY.
SO I THINK THE ONLY EVIDENCE YOU GOT TODAY IS IN SUPPORT OF
THAT WAIVER.
YOU KNOW, CHANGE IS HARD.
PART OF THE CHANGE HERE IS THAT U.T. HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL
THAT IT HAS CHANGED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CHANGING AND PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO WALK
TO THE SERVICES AND WALK TO CAMPUS.
THEY WOULDN'T -- EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT AND HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED
RIGHT THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS
CHANGED.
CHANGE IS HARD.
AND WE JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THOSE OF US IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
11:36:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
YOU HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU.
11:36:15AM >> HELLO, OPERATIONS AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
I LIVE 4319 WEST NEPTUNE STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR A COUPLE OF MOMENTS, AGAIN, TO
SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU ALREADY HEARD TODAY.
OUR MAIN CONCERN IS, AGAIN, WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF
HOUSING.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE MARKET, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY
5,000 STUDENTS THAT REQUIRE OFF-CAMPUS HOUSING.
STUDENTS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THE UNIVERSITY NOW CAN
ACCOMMODATE.
SO OUR MARKET SHARE IF YOU WILL IS 5,000.
OF THOSE 5,000 STUDENTS THIS YEAR AND EVERY OTHER YEAR BUT
LAST YEAR WAS ACCOMMODATED QUITE COMFORTABLY IN THE
DEVELOPMENTS SURROUNDING THE UNIVERSITY.
WE ARE LOOKING AT 4,000 NEW BEDS COMING ON LINE SPECIFICALLY
STARTED AT OUR STUDENT AND WE WELCOME THAT KINDS OF
INVESTMENT IN OUR STUDENTS.
MR. MENDER TALKED ABOUT AMENITIES THAT ARE GEARED TOWARD
STUDENTS.
ALL OF US WELCOME THAT.
THE PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING THAT ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE
ADVOCATING FOR A STUDENT HOUSING DESIGNATION.
AND FOR -- AND WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THESE
DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE FILLED WITH
STUDENTS.
SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
MULTIFAMILY UNITS GOING INTO THE AREAS AROUND THE UNIVERSITY
AND NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR THOSE -- FOR THOSE FAMILIES.
SO THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE A GREAT DEAL OF CONGESTION IN OUR
AREA IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN DOWN NORTH BOULEVARD RECENTLY, YOU
KNOW IT PRETTY CONGESTED.
AND OUR PARKING GARAGE HAS BECOME VERY ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE
WHO CAN'T FIND PARKING IN THE CITY.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE DEVELOPMENTS IF THEY ARE NOT PARKED
CORRECTLY FOR MULTIFAMILY UNITS, THEY ARE GOING TO PUSH THAT
PROJECTS TO US AND PUSH IT TO YOU, AS THE CITY, TO FIND
SOLUTIONS FOR THE PARKING.
WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING THAT THIS PROJECT NOT BE TREATED
DIFFERENTLY AS A STUDENT HOUSING PROJECT, BUT TREATED AS A
MULTIFAMILY PROJECT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT IS WHAT IT IS
GOING TO BE.
PARTIALLY STUDENT HOUSING AND PARTIALLY MULTI FAMILY.
THANK YOU.
11:38:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S -- I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
11:38:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SEVERING BASED ON SOME CONSUMPTION OF
WHAT IF.
AND THE "WHAT IF" TO ME IS, A, DOES THE UNIVERSITY VIDEO THE
CAPACITY TO TAKE ANOTHER 4,000 STUDENTS TODAY OR TOMORROW?
I DON'T KNOW THAT.
SO THAT IS -- WE ARE BUILDING ALL THESE HOUSES AS I HEARD
FROM BOTH SIDES.
MAYBE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF THEM COMING UP,
BUT THE UNIVERSITY HAVE A FOOTPRINT TO EXPAND.
I AM ASKING THE PRESIDENT.
DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE 4,000,
500, 6,000 PEOPLE COMING.
I AM SURE -- CAN YOU TELL US HOW MANY STUDENTS HAVE APPLIED
AND HOW MANY ARE ON THE WAITING LIST OR WHATEVER.
HOWEVER YOU FORMULATE THIS, SIR, SO WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND
THE FACILITIES OF MAKING THE MANAGEMENT DECISION.
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY BASED ON THE AVAILABLE UNITS TO
HANDLE WHAT IS COMING.
COMPLICATED QUESTION.
MEANING, CAN YOU HANDLE ANOTHER 4,000 STUDENTS?
11:39:26AM >> ON OUR CAMPUS --
11:39:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM SO WE CAN HEAR YOU
FROM THE RECORD.
11:39:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EVERYTHING IS BASED ON STUDENT HOUSING
AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THE UNIVERSITY HAS 4,000 AVAILABILITY
TO HANDLE 4,000 --
11:39:39AM >> IF WE LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AS FAR AS ONE CAN LOOK INTO
IT, IT WOULD -- IT WOULD SEEM TO BE EXTREMELY UNLIKELY THAT
THE UNIVERSITY WOULD GROW BY 4,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE
RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN OUR FOOTPRINT FOR THAT.
AND, AGAIN, IMPORTANTLY, PART OF THE KEY -- IT IS NOT ABOUT
WHETHER YOU CAN WALK TO CAMPUS AND DO THOSE THINGS.
IT IS WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING YOUR CARS?
YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR CARS AT YOUR RESIDENCE
AND MOST OF OUR STUDENTS HAVE GOT CARS.
80%.
60% OF ONES LIVING ON OUR CAMPUS.
WHERE DO ALL THE CARS GO?
AND, IN FACT, IF THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING IT IN THE LOCATION,
IF THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING IT AT THE LOCATION, WHICH IN
GENERAL IT IS NOT, IT IS HALF OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE FOR SOME
ARE THREE TIMES WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
BUT, NO, I DON'T EXPECT THAT THE UNIVERSITY WOULD GROW TO
THE NUMBERS THAT WAS CITED.
11:40:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM ASKING THIS QUESTION BECAUSE IN MY
MIND -- YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT MORE LIKELY BE COMPLETED IN
24 TO 30 MONTHS.
JOB HAS ASKED THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IF ALL OF THE
BUILDINGS, ONE OR TWO OR THREE OF THEM COMING UP IF THEY
HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THAT FOR STUDENT HOUSING.
IF THEY DON'T, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE STUDENT HOUSING, I
WOULD IMAGINE.
11:41:11AM >> THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE WONDERED BECAUSE OUR GROWTH.
11:41:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH,
BUT I AM THINKING OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING AND I HEAR
77% TO 81%.
AND SENIORS, 60% ASKING FOR PARKING AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
MAKING NOTES, I ASKED MYSELF, IS ANYBODY ASKED THE
UNIVERSITY TO COMPLETE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME IN
FULFILL THE APARTMENTS AND CAMPUS.
11:41:40AM >> THE UNIVERSITY IS VERY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOT A GREAT REPUTATION AND WE HAVE DONE
VERY WELL.
BECAUSE WE DO NOT SEE US GROWING TO THE KIND OF NUMBERS THAT
-- THAT WOULD OCCUPY ALL OF THESE PLACES.
11:41:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT IS YOUR CAPACITY NOW?
11:41:59AM >> IF I LOOK DOWN AT THE REASONABLE CAPACITY IN -- I WILL
SAY THE YEARS AHEAD, A DECADE AHEAD OR SO MIGHT BE AS MUCH
AS 12 THOUSAND IN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT.
11:42:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOT IN 16,000 IN THREE YEARS.
11:42:15AM >> THAT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE.
11:42:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING MYSELF.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO HERE.
11:42:23AM >> WHERE DO THE CARS GO WHEN PEOPLE BUILD ALL AROUND US.
11:42:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:42:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU SAID THAT 60% OF STUDENTS WHO LIVE ON
CAMPUS HAVE CARS?
11:42:34AM >> YES, THEY DO.
JUNIORS AND SENIORS.
11:42:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
60 FERRARI OF THE STUDENTS ON CAMPUS, BUT ALL
OF THE FRESHMEN ARE REQUIRED TO LIVE ON CAMPUS.
SO HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE CARS
11:42:49AM >> THE FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES, PARENTS GENERALLY WANT THEM
TO BE ON CAMPUS.
WE DON'T REQUIRE IT, BUT VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF FRESHMEN
THAT ARE IN CAMPUS.
AND ONLY 4% OF FRESHMEN HAVE CARS.
SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT -- IF YOU WERE COMING
TO OUR CAMPUS AND YOU ARE A FRESHMAN, YOU CAN'T BRING CARS
TO THE CAMPUS UNLESS THERE IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION MADE AND
ONLY A HANDFUL OF THOSE.
BUT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE SOPHOMORE, A FEW MORE HAVE
CARS.
BY THE TIME YOU ARE A JUNIOR AND SENIOR.
WORKING JOBS.
INTERNSHIPS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
A BIT MORE GOING ON TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING IN OUR
WONDERFUL COMMUNITY, BUT AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE
-- THEY ARE ALMOST 80% HAVE CARS.
AND THAT IS THE AUDIENCE THAT THEY ARE HOUSING, YOU SEE.
IT IS JUNIORS AND SENIORS.
WE DON'T SEND FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORE OFF CAMPUS AND WITH THE
EXCEPTION LAST YEAR AND THE UNUSUAL SITUATION CAUSED BY THE
PANDEMIC BECAUSE SO MANY WHO WANTED TO BE AT U.T.
IT WAS HUGE AND THEY ALL CAME IN LATE AND EXPECTING TO TRY
TO -- FIND HOUSING SOME PLACE.
11:44:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS YOUR CAPACITY FOR PARKING CURRENTLY
RIGHT NOW?
11:44:24AM >> YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT.
11:44:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE ON
CAMPUS?
11:44:28AM >> I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER WITH ME RIGHT NOW.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR PARKING -- OUR PARKING PLAN IS
SEGMENTED MEANING WE HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES
THAT ARE RESERVED FOR RESIDENTIAL STUDENTS WHO TEND TO NOT
MOVE THEIR CARS THAT OFTEN.
A LARGER SEGMENT FOR COMMUTING POPULATION WHO COME TO CAMPUS
AND LEAVE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
AND A SEGMENT OF OUR CAMPUS PARKING THAT IS SEGMENTED FOR
FACULTY STAFF PARKING.
11:44:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES YOU
HAVE, BUT HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE EMPTY?
11:45:02AM >> EMPTY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS WEEK, WE SENT OUT GLOBAL MESSAGES
TO OUR STUDENTS LETTING THEM KNOW WHERE OUR AVAILABILITY WAS
BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING FLOODED WITH CALLS THERE WAS NO
PARKING ON CAMPUS.
WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A SERIES OF CAMERAS -- CLOSED-CIRCUIT
CAMERAS WHERE WE CAN WATCH PARKING AND SEND OUT NOTICES TO
OUR STUDENTS WHERE THE AVAILABLE PARKING IS FOR THEM.
WE DO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR ALL OF OUR STUDENTS
PRESENTLY.
11:45:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY LAST QUESTION IS THE ONE THAT CONCERNS ME
THE MOST.
IS THAT -- I BELIEVE I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT YOU DON'T
ALLOW SCOOTERS OR OTHER MOBILITY DEVICES ON CAMPUS?
11:45:42AM >> NOT QUITE RIGHT.
WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO BE STREWN THROUGHOUT THE CENTER OF
OUR CAMPUS.
THEY COME RIGHT TO OUR CAMPUS ENTRIES AND THAT IS WHERE THEY
STOP.
AS YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE PRETTY BAD WHERE THEY LEAVE THEM ALL
OVER THE PLACE.
WE TRY TO CONFINE THEM TO THE BORDER OF THE CAMPUS.
AND BIKES WE HAVE ALL OVER THE CAMPUS.
WE PROVIDE EVEN OUR OWN FREE CAMPUS BIKING WHERE WE PROVIDE
BIKES FOR OUR STUDENTS TOO.
11:46:07AM >> STUDENTS ARE LARGE CONSUMERS OF SCOOTERS, YOU DRY BY THE
UNIVERSITY, YOU WILL FEE PILE OF SCOOTERS WHERE STUDENTS
USED THEM TO COME TO CAMPUS.
WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO GO THROUGH CAMPUS BECAUSE OF THE
SPEED AND YOU DRIVE THROUGH OUR CAMPUS FROM 10 TO 4:00 IN
THE AFTERNOON.
IT IS DENSE AND THE SPEED OF THE SCOOTER IS NOT SAFE IN THAT
ENVIRONMENT.
11:46:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN YOUR MASTER PLAN, CONSIDERING THE PARKING
YOU HAVE NOW AND THE GROWTH RATES, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS IN
THE NEXT FIVE OR TEN YEARS TO BUILD MORE PARKING GARAGES?
11:46:50AM >> WE DO.
ACTUALLY WE JUST COMPLETED ONE NEW PARKING DECK THIS PAST
YEAR ON THE -- SORT OF THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF OUR CAMPUS FOR
OUR STUDENTS.
SO THAT -- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GETTING USED TO THAT.
WE HAVE ANOTHER EVERYONE THAT IS IN THE PROJECT THAT IS
COMING OUT OF THE GROUND NOW THAT WILL BE READY FOR 2024.
11:47:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DEDICATED TO HOUSING --
11:47:17AM >> HOUSING, AGAIN, FOR FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORE STUDENTS ON
OUR CAMPUS.
AND WILL ALSO HAVE PARKING AS PART OF THAT STRUCTURE, 450
SPACES IN IT.
11:47:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE ASKED.
IF -- WILL YOU BE BUILDING ANY PARKING WITHIN WALKING
DISTANCE -- CLOSE WALKING DISTANCE OF THIS PROPOSED BUILDING
WHERE PEOPLE FROM THAT BUILDING COULD PARK?
11:47:44AM >> WELL, I WOULD -- I WOULD -- I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS NOT
REALLY OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE THE PARKING FOR ALL OF
THE DEVELOPERS AROUND THE CAMPUS.
THEY ARE PROVIDING THE HOUSING.
THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO LIVE AND RESIDE, THAT IS
WHERE THEIR CARS SHOULD BE.
WHY SHOULD WE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING
AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE GOT COMING UP, THOSE OTHER
SITES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, THEY ARE DOING THAT IN A
PROPER WAY.
AND HAVE -- THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE AND APPROPRIATE AMOUNTS OF
PARKING.
THIS ONE IS A REAL LOW BALL.
AND IF OTHERS WERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT KIND OF A
NUMBER, IT WILL CHOKE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND BE A HUGE
CHALLENGE FOR US.
11:48:36AM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
IF YOU LOOK AT BIKE DIAGRAM, THAT SUN WILDFIRE THE BIG
PARKING GARAGES ON CAMPUS.
YOU ARE CONCERNED WHERE THEY WOULD GO.
WE WOULD SEE THE TYPE OF VEHICLES SCATTERED --
11:48:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT WILL THAT TO DO THE PARKING GARAGE.
11:48:59AM >> THE FIRST STALL YOU CAN HAVE FROM A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING
PERSPECTIVE IS A STALL THAT DOESN'T HAVE TURNOVER.
ONE OF THE NICE THINGS OF CAMPUS LIKE US, WE CAN CONTROL OUR
CLASSROOM SCHEDULES AND SPREAD THAT LOAD THROUGHOUT THE
WEEK.
THAT IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT THE UNIVERSITY HAS.
WHEN YOU HAVE A STALL THAT DOESN'T HAVE TURN OVER.
JUST -- I DON'T DOUBT THAT SOMEBODY CAN PUT THEIR CAR IN
THEIR GARAGE AND OUR GARAGE AND NOT USE IT FOR A WEEK.
THAT IS DEFINITELY POSSIBLE.
WALKABLE.
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT THAT CAR DOES NOT HAVE ANY TURNOVER.
IT BECOMES A WORSE LOAD AND WE HAVE OUR PARKING CONSULTANT
THAT ADVERTISE OUR PARKING ROUTINELY.
KILLS THAT PARKING SPACE FOR US.
11:49:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
11:49:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M ASKING YOU TO DEFINE -- IS YOUR CAMPUS
RIDE-FRIENDLY.
I HEAR THAT SCOOTERS CAN COME UP TO THE FRINGE AND YOU CAN'T
RIDE THEM ON CAMPUS.
AND I HEAR BIKE SHARING ON CAMPUS.
11:49:59AM >> YES, SIR.
11:50:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BUT A STUDENT LIVING OFF CAMPUS CANNOT TAKE
THEIR BIKE ON TO CAMPUS.
11:50:08AM >> OF COURSE THEY CAN DO THAT.
11:50:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I NEEDED THAT DEFINED.
11:50:13AM >> WE HAVE BIKE PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT OUR CAMPUS.
11:50:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AND OTHER COLLEGES WHERE THE CITY HAS GROWN UP AROUND THE
COLLEGE.
THOSE COLLEGES MAKE IT MANDATORY THAT FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORE
CANNOT HAVE A VEHICLE.
YOU THEY ARE TOLD NOT TO.
MANDATORY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE?
11:50:38AM >> FOR FRESHMEN, WE SAYS IT A REQUIREMENT -- AGAIN, THERE IS
UNUSUAL EXCEPTIONS --
11:50:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALWAYS EXCEPTION TO EVERY RULE, BUT.
11:50:49AM >> BUT ONLY A HANDFUL.
11:50:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MANDATORY.
11:50:52AM >> FOR FRESHMEN, IT IS A REQUIREMENT.
11:50:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MANDATORY.
11:50:57AM >> WE WILL TELL THEM.
YOU WILL FIND EXCEPTIONS TO IT.
BUT IT IS A HANDFUL.
11:51:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
PUBLIC COMMENTS?
PETITIONER, REBUTTAL -- HANG ON, ZAIN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING
YOU WANT TO THROW IN?
11:51:18AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I HAVE BEEN HEARING THESE WORDS "STUDENT HOUSING" THROUGH THE
LAST FIVE -- THROUGHOUT THE LAST FIVE TO TEN MINUTES.
WE UNDERSTAND PROXIMITY OF THE PROJECT TOWARD THE UNIVERSITY
THAT THESE WORDS ARE STATED, BUT MAY I JUST MAKE IT CLEAR
THAT STUDENT HOUSING IS NOT RECOGNIZED IN THE ZONING CODE.
SO THAT'S OF COURSE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND KEEP IN MIND.
THANK YOU.
11:51:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:51:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ZAIN, COME BACK.
REPEAT THAT AGAIN.
NO PROVISION OF ANYTHING IN OUR CODE THAT REFERENCES
ANYTHING ABOUT STUDENT HOUSING, CORRECT?
11:51:56AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
CORRECT.
THE ZONING CODE DOES NOT ACCEPT OR ACTUALLY USE THE WORD
"STUDENT HOUSING."
NOT REFERRED IN OUR ZONING CODE OR DEFINED.
11:52:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DEFINED AS HOUSING OR MULTIFAMILY.
11:52:11AM >> RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, CORRECT.
11:52:14AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CATE.
THE REQUEST FOR PD MULTI FAMILY, SHOPPING CENTER, BANK,
DRIVE-IN AND SO ON.
THIS REQUEST IS FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.
THE WORD "STUDENT HOUSING" ALTHOUGH IT IS -- THE PROXIMITY
IS CLOSE TO THE UNIVERSITY, THOSE WORDS ARE NOT DEFINED OR
RECOGNIZED IN OUR CODE.
11:52:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, ZAIN.
11:52:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:52:51AM >>BILL CARSON:
REQUEST MISS WELLS, DO NOT HAVE A STUDENT
HOUSING CATEGORY BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST FEDERAL LAW OR WE
DON'T HAVE ONE.
11:52:57AM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORD.
I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER
TODAY WITH REGARD TO -- IF IT WAS LIMITED TO STUDENT HOUSING
WOULD IT BE DISCRIMINATORY AND VIOLATION OF THE FEDERAL FAIR
HOUSING.
BUT COUNSEL FOR THAT APPLICANT HAS MADE THAT REPRESENTATION.
OUR CODE CURRENTLY DOES NOT INCLUDE STUDENT HOUSING AND THE
REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS MULTIFAMILY.
I WOULD RECOMMEND IN LOOKING FOR THE WAIVERS BEING
REQUESTED, LOOK AT THE REQUESTED USE, THE WAIVERS, WHETHER
THEY MET THE BURDEN OF PROOF UNDER THE CODE.
THANK YOU.
11:53:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOUR REBUTTAL.
11:53:35AM >> TRUETT GARDNER.
COUPLE OFMENTS.
AS MR. CREMER SAID, WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE
THROUGH A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, NOT AN ARCHITECT THAT THIS
WAIVER IS JUSTIFIED.
WITH THE ISSUE OF STUDENT HOUSING ARE YES, NOT CURRENTLY IN
THE CODE.
BUT IN CDB WITH A NEW CATEGORY, STUDENT HOUSING.
IT HAS BEEN VOTE AND ONE AND WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU A
STUDENT HOUSING.
MR. CREMER SAY NOT ONLY FOR STUDENTS, BUT AS A MULTIFAMILY,
WE CATEGORIZE IT AS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, BASED ON
GUIDELINES, WE EXCEED WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WILL BE
FOR ANY OTHER URBAN VILLAGES IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ARE CONFIDENT THIS WAIVER IS JUSTIFIED AND WILL NOT
BURDEN THE AREA.
AS GREG MENTIONED, I HAVE THE LETTERS AND I WILL SUBMIT THIS
TO MR. MASSEY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE ABSOLUTELY RESPECT AND CHERISH THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
NOT TRYING TO QUESTION THEIR MOTIVES, BUT I FIND THIS ONE
E-MAIL HARD TO JIVE AND JUSTIFY.
AS DR. VAUGHN SAID THEY ARE FULL CAPACITY AND RECORD
CAPACITY LAST YEAR AFTER COVID.
THIS WAS AN E-MAIL WRITTEN BY GREG MINDER 11 MONTHS,
SEPTEMBER 30 --
11:55:12AM >> CAN YOU PUT THAT DOWN.
11:55:13AM >> STARTS AT THE BOTTOM AND THE REPLY ON THE TOP.
CAN YOU SEE IT.
HE STATES, WE WOULD LIKE TO -- TO JENNIFER SIYA THAT DR.
VAUGHN TOLD MR. MEND TO HAVE ALL HIS RESPONSES AND DISCOURSE
WITH MISS SKYA.
GREG IS WRITING TO MISS SKYA.
WE WOULD LIKE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE BROADER STUDENT -- THAT
THIS IS THE HENRY AT $115 PER MONTH.
HOW DO WE DO THAT EFFICIENTLY.
THE RESPONSE TWO -- ONE DAY LATER OCTOBER 1, 2021 FROM MISS
SKYA TO MR. MINDER.
HI, GREG, WE ARE NOT SEEING A DEMAND FOR STUDENT PARKING AT
THIS TIME NO NOT ABLE TO GIVE COMMUNICATION TO STUDENTS.
EVEN WITH THE BARRYMORE PARKING OFFER, SENT TO A LIMITED
GROUP WITH VERY FEW TAKERS.
JUST HAVING A HARD TIME JUSTIFYING THIS -- THIS ABSOLUTE
DEMAND ON THEIR PARKING STRUCTURES WHERE THERE IS NO DATA TO
PROVIDE WHAT THAT IS.
AND THE ONLY WAY I CAN READ THIS E-MAIL IS THERE IS
SOMETHING AMISS HERE.
AND, BUT, AGAIN, BACK TO WHAT THIS REZONING IS ABOUT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS A STUDENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU LOOK AT IT AS AN URBAN MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
WE NOT ONLY MEET BUT EXCEED THE PARKING AND TURN THINGS OVER
TO MR. MINDER.
11:56:38AM >> I HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME AND I WILL BE QUICK.
OUR MARKETED RISK TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY
AND FOR IT'S A SORPTION.
WE HAVE DONE A MARKET STUDY AND 3700 BEDS TODAY ARE IN
DEMAND.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT IS TRUE.
YES, STUDENTS ARE FINDING THAT IRWAY INTO MARKET RATE
APARTMENTS AND SHADOW PRODUCTS, DUPLEXES, SINGLE-FAMILY
HOUSES THROUGHOUT TAMPA, FAR-FLUNG AREAS OF PARKING
AROUND USF.
MUCH MORE EFFICIENT PLACE FOR THEM TO LIVE, APPROXIMATE TO
CAMPUS.
WE KNOW THE DEMAND IS THERE.
THE UNIVERSITY HAS SAID PLACE STUDENTS AND LAST YEAR BE
OVERWHELMING DEMAND FOR THE HENRY.
A LARGE SURGE OF FRESHMEN THAT WENT INTO THE BUILDING AND
ALLOWED THEM AS PART OF OUR AFFILIATION AGREEMENT WE WERE
NOT SUPPOSED TO TAKE FRESHMAN, DOES NOT ALLOW INVENTORY UP
TO 60 DAYS TO THE ACTUAL OCCUPANCY WHEN THE LEASE
TERMINATION NOTICE IS FILED BY THE TENANT AND THE PROJECT
KNOWS HOW MANY APARTMENTS ARE AVAILABLE FOR NEXT MONTH AND
THE FOLLOWING MONTHS.
THAT IS HOW THAT WORKS.
WE ARE WELL IN ADVANCE.
WE START SIGNING LEASES FOR THE NEXT YEAR OF NOVEMBER AND --
OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR KNOWING THERE IS A
LOT OF DEMAND.
IN MAY WE WERE 100% LEASED FOR THE HENRY FOR NEXT YEAR, THAT
DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY FRESHMEN.
15 TOTAL FRESHMEN LESS THAN 3% OF THE BUILDING AND AT THAT
TIME 100 PARKING SPACES RESERVED FOR THE FALL.
THAT NUMBER IS INCREASED BASED ON THE CONVENIENCE FACTOR OF
HAVING A CAR AND NOT BASIS TO LEASE.
AND WANT TO MAKE IS THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO COUNCIL.
OTHER QUESTION HOW MANY PARKING SPACE THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA, 3125 STRUCTURE PARKING SPACES, 320 SURFACE SPARK
SPACES, 3445.
IN THE WEST GARAGE WHERE THEY DESIGNATE PARKING FOR
OVERNIGHT ON CAMPUS STUDENTS 980 SPACES FOR INVENTORY.
WE HAVE DONE OUR HOMEWORK.
WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE PUTTING IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE KNOW WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS WAIVER.
THE MARKET SUPPORTS WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING AS DEMAND FOR
THIS PROJECT AND THE MARKET IS SUPPORTING WHAT WE SUPPLY
WITH PARKING.
WE HAVE DONE THE WORK AND METRICS AND MEASURED IT AGAINST
OUR RISK AND WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT WHAT WE ARE PUTSING IN
FRONT OF YOU.
THANK YOU.
LASTLY -- CAN I HAVE TEN MORE SECONDS.
THE UNIVERSITY ALREADY HAS A POLICY THAT NO -- NO OVERNIGHT
PARKING.ALLOWED BY ANY DECAL PARKING HOLDER ON CAMPUS.
IT IS A MATTER OF ENFORCEMENT.
THAT IS REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
WE ARE OKAY AND HAPPY TO PUT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WE WILL
PUT INTO OUR LEASE THAT THERE WILL BE A RESTRICTION THAT ANY
-- ANY RESIDENT WHO PARKS IN ANY UNAUTHORIZED AREA, WHETHER
IT BE CITY OR UNIVERSITY OR WHEREVER, THAT WILL BE
JUSTIFICATION FOR DETERMINATION OF THE LEASE.
I WILL PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
IF THAT IS WHAT EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE HAVING, I AM
FINE DOING THAT BECAUSE WE ARE CONFIDENT IN OUR NUMBERS.
11:59:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS WELLS.
YOUR TIME IS UP.
MISS WELLS.
11:59:58AM >> OH, SORRY.
12:00:00PM >>CATE WELLS:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
I APOLOGIZE FOR ADDRESSING COUNCIL AFTER REBUTTAL IS
COMPLETE, BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, MR. GARDNER
TALKED OF STUDENT HOUSING PARKING RATIO INCLUDED IN THE
ORDINANCES SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING TODAY.
YOUR ADDENDUM TO THE FINAL AGENDA FOR ITEMS 56 AND 57 ARE
THE ORDINANCES HE MENTIONED.
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ HAD FILED A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE WHICH
REMOVES THE PARKING RATIO FOR THE PROPOSED STUDENT HOUSING.
THAT WILL ALLOW STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT ISSUE A LITTLE MORE
CLOSELY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD THAT THAT
PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE, EACH OF THE ORDINANCES, ONE FOR
THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, ONE FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT,
THAT PORTION IS NOT MOVING FORWARD FOR TODAY.
12:00:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:00:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:00:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. GARDNER MADE A COMMENT OF THE LEASE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE BIND WITH REFERENCE TO THE
CASE.
12:01:02PM >>CATE WELLS:
THAT WILL NOT BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT
WILL BE ENFORCEABLE AS A RESULT OF THIS ZONIN
IF THAT WAS APPROVED, THAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE CONTRACTUAL
MATTER.
12:01:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
12:01:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:01:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:01:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS TO INCLUDE A REVISION SHEET AS
WELL ONCE I READ THIS OR ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING IN THE GENERAL SI SIN TEE OF 110 SOUTH
BOULEVARD OP OFFICE PROFESSIONAL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, STRIP SHOPPING CENTER, RETAIL
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND THIS INCLUDES A REVISION
SHEET.
12:01:54PM >> SECOND.
12:01:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON -- I MEAN VIERA.
EXCUSE ME.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:02:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE NEW EVIDENCE
TODAY, ESPECIALLY THE PART ABOUT THE LACK OF ANY KIND OF
RESTRICTION REGARDING STUDENT HOUSING I AM GOING TO CHANGE
MY VOTE TODAY.
12:02:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:02:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I UNDER STAND THAT, BUT THIS IS -- THIS IS
NOT EVEN A HALF MILE FROM THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THEY ARE PROVIDING -- IN MY OPINION, WHEN LOOKING AT THAT
CHART FOR YBOR AND ALL OF THOSE AREAS, THIS IS OFFERING MORE
PARKING.
I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW VERY MANY FAMILIES THAT WOULD LOOK
AT A FULLY FURNISHED MOVE-IN APARTMENT AS SOMETHING VIABLE.
AGAIN, I HAVE SEEN THIS ELSEWHERE.
I -- I THINK IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO
NOT REACH THEIR TARGET MARKET OR IN THE -- SIMILAR AGE RANGE
EVEN IF IT ISN'T A STUDENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY 45-YEAR-OLDS WOULD WANT TO LIVE WITH A
BUNCH OF COLLEGE STUDENTS.
12:03:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOT ME.
12:03:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM JUST SAYING, IT -- THEY ARE GEARED
TOWARD A YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC.
THEY JUST ARE, EVEN IF IT IS NOT COLLEGE STUDENTS, THEY MAY
HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE SIMILAR.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CONCERN ABOUT
PARKING, BUT IT DOES NOT -- IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE PROVIDING
MORE MAN IN WE WOULD HAVE TO IN THESE OTHER SURROUNDING
DISTRICTS.
SO I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
12:03:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:03:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:03:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU KNOW SOMETIMES WANT TO USE THE WORD
"GET OVER," BUT WE GET OVER SOMETIMES.
THE VERBIAGE OF STUDENT HOUSING AND WE GOT OVER WITH THIS
WHOLE SITUATION.
AND THEN IT COMES TO THE NINTH HOUR AND NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE
A DECISION WHETHER THE UNIVERSITY'S NEEDS AND NONNEEDS AND
DEVELOPER WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO PROVIDE ACTUAL HOUSING.
I LOOK AT IT AS -- IT IS NOT GOING TO DO A LOT -- I AM
LOOKING AT WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THIS IS, WHAT ITS GOING
TO COST, A PERSON TO LIVE THERE.
AND IT PROBABLY WILL BE A YOUNGER CROWD THAT WILL PROBABLY
LIVE THERE, BUT I DON'T SEE A BUNCH -- COME FROM -- I DON'T
KNOW ANYBODY I KNOW WILL HAVE THE MONEY TO LIVE THERE, NOT
FROM MY COMMUNITY.
BUT, AGAIN, IT IS -- IT IS PLAIN OLD WORDS AND GOT CAUGHT IN
THE NINTH HOUR.
IT IS WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT, BUT TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IT
WILL BE HOUSING, NOT STUDENT HOUSING.
I WILL MAKE MY DECISION.
12:05:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:05:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MY QUESTION WAS WHEN I SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY
OF THE HOUSING THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING AND THE UNIVERSITY'S
GROWTH IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS WHICH IS THE TIME I
IMAGINE THIS THING WILL BE COMPLETED.
AND THE UNIVERSITY STATED ON THE RECORD THAT THEY WON'T BE
ABLE TO HANDLE THE STUDENTS FOR THAT AMOUNT OF THEIR
CAPACITY.
THE PROJECT SEEMS GREAT AND WONDERFUL IF IT WAS ANOTHER
LOCATION.
IT DOESN'T SIT WELL CLOSE TO SOMEBODY WHO IS ALREADY TELLING
US THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM ACCOMMODATING WHAT THEY NEED.
AND IN THE FUTURE IN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, THEY WILL
NOT GET 4,000 NEW STUDENTS ABOVE 12,000 THEY GOT NOW.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 15,000 OR 16 THOUSAND IN
STUDENTS.
AND WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK.
THESE ARE MY -- I LOVE THE PROJECT.
I REALLY DO.
I THINK IT IS A GREAT PROJECT.
BUT COMES IN WITH STUDENT HOUSING AND OTHERS LIKE MR. GUDES
SPOKE ABOUT.
I AM A LITTLE HESITANT TO SAY YES.
AND THEN BE WRONG.
AND I CAN'T FIX THAT.
THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT I AM IN.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF US.
BUT IF THERE WAS A MAGIC WAND THAT SAID I CAN FIX IT AFTER I
MADE AN ERROR, THEN THAT IS FINE.
RIGHT NOW I CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE THAT CHANCE OF ON THE OTHER
ROAR AND HAVE MORE CARS AVAILABLE AND A CHAOS IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT AIN'T GOING TO BE ABOUT US, BUT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:06:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
I AM DIVIDED.
IF I HAD JUST GRADUATED COLLEGE, AND I CAME DOWN HERE AND I
HAD AN OFFER FROM A COMPANY AND SAID WE WANT YOU HERE.
I WOULDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GOING TO LIVE.
THIS WOULD BE IDEAL FOR ME.
AS A COLLEGE GRADUATE, COMING DOWN, LIVING HERE FOR A YEAR,
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I AM GOING TO STAY.
A COLLEGE STUDENT -- NOT, BUT A COLLEGE GRADUATE.
ANOTHER IF I AM MOVING DOWN HERE WITH MY WIFE AND I AM
LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO LIVE.
IT IS FURNISHED.
I WILL HAVE A LEASE THERE UNTIL I FIGURE OUT WHETHER I WANT
TO LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, CARROLLWOOD,
BRANDON.
KAREN KRESS AND THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND A BUNCH OF
OTHER PEOPLE CAME UP WITH GREAT PARKING IDEAS FOR DOWNTOWN
WHICH ONE DAY I AM HOPING WILL EXPAND OUTS TO THE REST OF
THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO START THINKING OF OTHER FORMS OF
TRANSPORTATION, WHICH THEN LEADS ME BACK TO THE UNIVERSITY
OF TAMPA AGAIN, AS I SAID, OTHER COLLEGES MAKE IT MANDATORY
THAT YOUR SOPHOMORE AND FRESHMENS DON'T HAVE A CAR.
THE GRAPH THAT WE SHOW, IN MY OPINION, THOSE SCOOTER
COMPANIES -- THIS IS COMING FROM SCOOTER JOE, CANNOT GET ON
THE CAMPUS.
HOUSING IS NEEDED.
BUT JUST TO DEFINE IT AS ONE SORT OF HOUSING, I -- I DON'T
KNOW ABOUT THAT.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
SHOULD WE GO TO ROLL CALL?
12:09:09PM >>CLERK:
LET'S GO TO ROLL CALL.
[LAUGHTER]
12:09:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
12:09:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:09:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
12:09:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:09:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:09:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HESITANTLY YES.
12:09:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:09:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:09:33PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
12:09:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:09:39PM >> SECOND CITRO SAITH MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OBJECTIONS?
THANK YOU.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED -- WELL, NO -- WE ARE IN ADJOURNMENT UNTIL
-- RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
YES, MA'AM?
12:10:08PM >> I WAS WONDER GOING YOU COULD DO NUMBER 50 THE ONE RIGHT
BEFORE THIS BECAUSE I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO THANK YOU.
12:10:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
I HAVE BEEN PASSED A PIECE OF PAPER ASKING US TO CONTINUE
FOR A LITTLE BIT.
SO LET'S TAKE NUMBER 50.
ARE YOU GOING TO THANK US NOW OR AFTER THE FINISH.
12:10:37PM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
IF I MAY REQUEST.
IF YOU WERE DOING 50, IF YOU CAN ALSO DO 49 BECAUSE I AM FOR
BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS.
THEY ARE NOT RELATED.
12:10:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S DO 49 FIRST, TA/CPA 22-04.
12:11:01PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE WITH THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
A CITY COUNTY INITIATED AMENDMENT TO ADD POLICIES ABOUT
CEMETERY PROTECTION INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
CITY COUNCIL HAS SEEN THIS TWICE ALREADY AN TRANSMITTED
TO CEO AND BEFORE YOU FOR ADOPTION.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
12:11:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS ALONE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT.
SEEING NONE.
12:11:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:11:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
12:11:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:11:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER TA/CPA
22-04, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENT TODAY ARE SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040: TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT TO CREATE NEW
DEFINITION FOR CEMETERY AND UNMARKED HUMAN BURIAL TO AMEND
LAND USE GOAL 19 AND CREATE POLICIES 19.5, 19.51, 19.5.2,
19.5.3, 19.5.4, 19.5.5, 19.6, 19.6.1, 19.6.2, 19.7, 19.7.1,
PROVIDE FOR REPEAL.
12:12:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
12:12:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
LET'S DO ROLL CALL.
12:12:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:12:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:12:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:12:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:12:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:12:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:12:36PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
12:12:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 50,TA/CPA 22-07.
12:12:51PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE WITH THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
TO ELIMINATE THE FLOOR AREA RATIO FOR THE SINGLE USE
RESIDENTIAL.
YOU HAVE SEEN THIS TWICE AND TRANSMITTED TO CEO THIS SUMMER
AND CAME BACK.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
12:13:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISSION MALONE.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC?
12:13:16PM >> THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
MY NAME IS SUSAN SWIFT.
I AM THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR BOGGS ENGINEERING.
I REPRESENT SAFE BEACH PARK AND BEACH -- BEACH PARK CIVIC
ASSOCIATION ON THIS.
I WANTED TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON FOR INITIATING THIS.
AND IT WAS INITIATED AROUND THE TIME I WAS CHANGING FIRMS
WHICH IS WHY I HAVE NOT BEEN HERE BEFORE TO THANK YOU.
BUT THEY -- THEY WERE THE IMPETUS FOR THIS.
AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH
ADOPTION AND THANKS TO MISS MALONE AS WELL FOR HANDLING IT
THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WHILE I WAS A LITTLE AWOL.
THANKS AGAIN.
12:14:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS.
12:14:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:14:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
12:14:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:14:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040,
TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO MODIFY THE USE OF FLOOR AREA
RATIO FOR THE MIXED USE RMU-100 IN THE SOUTH TAMPA AND NEW
TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICTS TO REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES.
12:14:31PM >> SECOND.
12:14:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:14:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:14:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES
12:14:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:14:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:14:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:14:44PM >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA ABSENT AT VOTE.
12:14:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE AT RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
[RECESS]
01:32:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL.
01:32:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:32:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
01:32:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:32:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
01:32:39PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:32:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A
LONG MORNING, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
534 AND GO BACK INTO STAFF REPORTS AFTER THAT.
IF I MAY, ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WHO WILL BE GIVING TESTIMONY
ON ANY.
01:33:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT TRYING --
01:33:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I KNOW, I WOULD AT LEAST GET THINGS STARTED
AND HOPEFULLY THE OTHERS WILL FOLLOW.
WE DID SAY 1:30.
01:33:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU DIDN'T SAY IN THE MORNING OR THE
AFTERNOON THOUGH.
[LAUGHTER]
01:33:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE WHO IS -- ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE
GIVING TESTIMONY TO ANY OF THE QUASI JUDICIALS, IF YOU COULD
PLEASE RISE TO BE SWORN IN.
[SWEARING IN]
01:33:47PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE QUESTION MOVE TO ITEM 53.
I BELIEVE ITEM 60 FOR A REVIEW HEARING THAT NEEDS TO BE
CONTINUED.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT FIRST.
01:33:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE WILL DO THAT.
01:33:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
01:34:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
01:34:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ITEM 60 NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED.
01:34:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CONTINUE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 15, I
BELIEVE.
01:34:12PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
1:30.
OKAY.
01:34:14PM >> SECOND.
01:34:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
NOW WE WILL GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 53.
ZAIN, 53?
01:34:59PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
CASE REZ-22-24, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT LOCATION 4111
WEST SAN CARLOS STREET.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-75, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY
DETACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DROPPED OFF TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
01:35:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSSEIN.
SEEING NONE.
PETITIONER.
01:35:35PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, CHAIRMAN.
GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS ITEM AND BEFORE BEING BEFORE
YOU FOR FOURTH TIME, WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE HAVE A
FULL COUNCIL HERE FOR THE VOTE.
I AM VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THIS ITEM.
MAYBE WE REQUEST THAT WE DO ANOTHER COUPLE OF ITEMS UNTIL WE
HAVE EVERYONE HERE.
IS THAT POSSIBLE?
01:36:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AGREE.
01:36:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVE A SEAT.
01:36:08PM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
01:36:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF ON STAFF REPORTS.
WE CAN DO ITEM NUMBER 3 WE ARE GOING BACK TO STAFF REPORTS.
01:36:23PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL, BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY
ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
ITEM 3 IS DOWNTOWN GRAVITY SEWER LINING.
WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
01:36:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS.
01:36:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE JUST HAVE A COMMENT.
NO WAY OF BEING DISRESPECTFUL IN JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED THERE SOME PART.
THE WATER SITUATION IS TERRIBLE.
NO ONE'S FAULT.
BUT IT WAS JUST THAT WE INSTIGATED SOME TIME PAST AND WILL
KEEP US WITH VOTING NOT BEING JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI.
THEY HAD FLOODING AND CAUSED PROBLEMS AND IN THE WATER
SYSTEM AND CONTAMINATED THE WATER AND THE PIPES -- THE
FILTERING, EVERYTHING THEY HAVE THERE HAS BEEN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WILL FIX IT.
I WISH THEM WELL.
01:37:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR THE PIPES PROJECT.
01:37:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
PIPES PROGRAM.
A PIPES PROJECT UNDER THE PROGRAM.
01:37:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
01:37:39PM >> SECOND.
01:37:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
01:37:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
01:37:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
01:37:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
01:37:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
01:37:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
01:37:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
01:37:56PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:37:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
01:38:07PM >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
LIQUID CAUSTIC SODA IN THE AMOUNT OF 5.2 MILLION FOR USE AT
THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND AIL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
01:38:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
01:38:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
01:38:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
01:38:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
01:38:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
01:38:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
01:38:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES CLERK MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:38:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM NUMBER 5.
01:38:48PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JEAN DUNCAN, INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY.
ITEM 5 IS WITH YOU WITH 3 AND 4 BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT.
TWO CONTRACTS FOR ROADWAY RESURFACING AS WELL AS CITY WIDE
ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WHICH, OF COURSE, INCLUDE SAFE STREETS,
ZERO PROJECTS.
FOR $8.4 MILLION AND 8.6 MILLION RESPECTIVELY AND WE ARE
HERE TO REQUEST YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE TWO CONTRACTS.
01:39:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS DUNCAN?
01:39:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
01:39:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:39:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS DUNCAN, THIS IS HAPPENING IN ALL FOUR
DISTRICTS AND A GOOD NUMBERS ON THE EVOs.
01:39:32PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, SIR.
01:39:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:39:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
01:39:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
01:39:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
01:39:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
01:39:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
01:39:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
01:39:45PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:39:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TO AGENDA ITEM 53.
01:39:50PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 53,REZ-22-24, LOCATION 411 WEST SAN
CARLOS STREET.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-57 TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
HAS BEEN TURNED INTO THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND I'M HERE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
01:40:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSSEIN.
PETITIONER.
01:40:29PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
FOR THE RECORD.
KEVIN REALI.
EAST JACKSON STREET.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
THE FOURTH TIME THIS IS BEFORE YOU.
NOT BECAUSE OF YOU REQUESTED ANY CHANGES, BUT PROCEDURAL
ISSUES THAT THE RECORD HAD TO BE CORRECTED BETWEEN THE FIRST
AND SECOND.
THE RECORD WAS CORRECTED BUT THE APPLICATION ITSELF, THE
SITE PLAN HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT.
STAFF FINDING HAS REMAINED KENT SINCE THE FIRST READ.
STAFF FOUND IT CONSISTENT IN EACH STEP.
TWOCH TIMES COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED YOU HAVE SUPPORTED THE
ITEM.
NO CHANGES AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND IF
POSSIBLE RESERVE SOME OF OUR PRESENTATION TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
I THINK REBUTTAL IS MORE APPROPRIATE TODAY.
THANK YOU.
01:41:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONER?
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PUBLIC COMMENT TO
THIS AGENDA ITEM?
IF THOSE GIVING PUBLIC COMMENT -- FORM A LINE FROM MY LEFT
TO YOUR RIGHT.
01:41:45PM >> I HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM FOR THOMAS CONNOLLY, LARRY
BELCHER, IF YOU RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND DONNA VAN AN.
01:42:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES, CORRECT?
FIVE?
PLEASE PROCEED, SIR.
01:42:13PM >> MY NAME IS TOM CONNOLLY, PRESIDENT OF THE VIRGINIA PARK
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I'M HERE SPEAKING OF THAT CAPACITY WITH THE APPROVAL OF MY
BOARD TO SUPPORT PALMA CEIA WEST.
WHERE IS A PROCEDURE AND HOW IT IS DOCUMENTED HOW A
PROCEDURE FOR ZONING IS VETTED.
IN IN THE TAMPA MUNICIPAL CODE.
TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ANSWER IS NO.
MULTIPLE CONTACTS WITH THE CITY STAFF RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS
TIME OF DETERMINATION.
I NEVER HAVE BEEN RESPONDED WITH AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
THE ONLY REFERENCE IN THE CITY CODE OF REEVALUATING A
PETITION TO REZONE IS SECTION 27-11, CREATION OF NEW LOTS,
REDUCTION OF LOTS AND LOTS BELOW MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
THIS SECTION REQUIRES THE STAFF TO EXAMINE THE ESTABLISHED
PATTERN OF LOTS BETWEEN 1320 FOOT.
IT GOES ON TO STATE THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR "SHALL"
REVIEW THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR A RADIUS OF 1320
FEET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
NOWHERE IN 27-11 DOES IT MENTION A BLOCK FACE FOR
CONSIDERATION OF A REQUIREMENT FOR PETITION TO REZONE.
IT DOES, HOWEVER, REQUIRE AND MANDATE THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR TO LOOK AT THE 1320 FOOT RADIUS.
WHEN MY ASSOCIATION STARTED CONTESTING PETITIONS, USED A
RED-BLUE MAP THAT WENT OUT NINE CITY BLOCKS TO REVIEW THE
ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN -- HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE.
GLORIA MOREDA WAS HEAD OF THE OFFICE AT THE TIME AND SAID IT
WAS NOT PRACTICAL AND PRACTICABLE DUE TO TECHNICAL
PERSONNEL.
SHE EXAMINED THE RED-BLUE MAP.
SEVERAL MEET WITH GLORIA, HER STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL,
VIRGINIA PARK WAS SUCCESSFUL FOR STAFF TO APPLY WITH THE
REQUIREMENT OF 1320-FOOT RADIUS.
WITH THIS AND OTHER DISCUSSIONS OF RESPECT WITH REZONING,
THE STAFF CAME UP WITH THE CURRENTLY USED MULTICOLOR MAP,
EXISTING LOT FOR REZ XXX.
BREAKS DOWN BY FIVE-FOOT INCREMENTS.
AND STATES IN THE KEY ABOVE EXACTLY HOW MANY OF EACH
FIVE-FOOT FRONTAGES COMPRISE THE AREA.
THIS WAS DONE AS A COMPROMISE TO HELP VISUALIZE THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REQUIRED ZONING FRONTAGE AND A
PETITION.
AS A RULE WE WILL NOT TYPICALLY CONTEST A PETITION OF
REZONING IF IT IS WITHIN ONE OR TWO FOOT OF REQUIRED BECAUSE
THAT IS NOT DISCERNIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE.
WHAT IS MISSING IN THIS KEY AND USUALLY CONTAINED IN THE
WRITTEN STAFF REPORT IS THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGES OF PARCELS
THAT COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.
THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE ZONING
REQUIRED FRINGE.
IN RES 22-24, THE PARCELS, THE ESTABLISHED PARCELS EQUAL TO
OR GREATER THAN 75 FEET IS 70.5% OR 151 OF 214 PARCELS.
THE PERCENTAGE OF NONCONFORMING LOTS THAT WERE GRANDFATHERED
IN VIA THE 1927 CONFORMANCE IS 29.4%.
63 OUT OF 214.
THIS SHOWS THAT THE EXISTING LOT PATTERN IS
OVERWHELMINGLY RS-75 COMPLIANT WITH THE 75-FOOT OR LARGER
FRONTAGE.
ABBYE FEELEY REPORTED IN REPORT Z12-38 AND PURPOSE SUBC OF
PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT OF APPROPRIATE IN
LOCATION, CHARACTER, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING
IMPACT, NEIGHBORHOODS, BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND EXISTING
GEOGRAPHY AND QUOTE FROM THAT REPORT, PURSUANT TO ANALYSIS
OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS DISCUSSED ABOVE, THE PREDOMINANT
DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA IS CONFORMING TO
THE RS-75 ZONING DISTRICT WITH A LOT WIDTH OF 75 FOOT.
AND IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN
OF THE SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE USE OF A PD REZONING REQUEST TO EFFECTIVELY BYPAS
THE RS-75 ZONING REQUIREMENT AND INSERT TWO RS-50 ZONING,
TWO ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS LOWER MAN IN REQUIRED AND NOT
PERMITTED IN FUTURE LAND USE R-6 IN SECTION 27-21 MATRIX IS
EGREGIOUS IN BLATANT OPERATION IN SECTION 27 ZONING AND LAND
DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE OBVIOUS, THIS IS FROM THE PIMA MAP
THING --
01:47:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE TURN THAT AROUND.
01:47:09PM >> SORRY.
SHOWS ONLY LOTS IN COLOR THAT ARE LESS THAN 60 FOOT.
EVERY OTHER ONE IS LARGER.
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THIS MAP SHOWS THE PREVAILING
CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SUBJECT 1320 FEET.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
01:47:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
01:47:26PM >> I ALSO HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM FOR CARROLL ANN
BENNETT, MICHAEL FANNING AND BRYANT -- IS IT DIVINE?
OKAY, THANK YOU.
FIVE MINUTES.
01:48:03PM >> HELLO, MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
AND A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
I AM AN EXPERT ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND GIVING COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
SOUTH TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS OFTEN OPPOSE THIS.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE THIS KIND OF EFFORT.
SIX COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
THIS IS THEIR FOURTH HEARING.
THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND EVEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STANDING
BEHIND US IN SOUTH TAMPA WHO FEEL THE WAY THAT WE FEEL.
WE HAVE TAKEN THREE DIFFERENT SURVEYS IN VIRGINIA PARK ALONE
AND 90% OF OUR RESIDENTS OPPOSE LOT SPLITS.
WHEN DO YOU SEE 90% OF PEOPLE AGREE ON ANYTHING.
IF YOU DON'T LIVE THERE, YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THAT'S
OKAY, AS LONG AS YOU RESPECT IT.
NEIGHBORHOODS ARE UNIQUE AND CAN BE A MYSTERY TO OUTSIDERS,
BUT WHAT DOES EVERY CITIZEN WANT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE?
THEY WANT TO BE HEARD.
WHEN I GO INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, I LISTEN.
I DO NOT TELL THEM WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM.
I LISTEN.
COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
TALK TO US.
THE MOST IMPORTANTLY, LISTEN TO US AND RESPECT US.
SOMEONE SAID THIS LAND IS UNDERUTILIZED.
THAT ABSOLUTELY BLOWS MY MIND.
IN 2016, LONG BEFORE THE HOUSING CRISIS, SOUTH TAMPA WAS
GROUND ZERO FOR GROWTH.
WE ARE DROWNING IN GROWTH.
WE ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAS AROUND AREA, A FLOOD PLAIN,
EVACUATION ZONES AND FEMA FLOOD ZONES AND EVERY YEAR THE
MAPS GET WORSE FOR US.
WE ADDED 6300 APARTMENTS IN S.O.G. ALONE.
DOESN'T COUNT THE APARTMENTS IN N.O.G. DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES
AND QUADS.
UNDERUTILIZED IT WOULD BE LAUGHABLE IF NOT IRRESPONSIBLE.
THE MOST GROWTH IS IN THE VULNERABLE PART OF OUR CITY.
DON'T TELL US OUR LAND IS UNDERUTILIZED.
WE HAVE DONE MORE.
IF THIS HAD NOT HAD YOU WOULDN'T MEET STEPHANIE POYNOR,
CAWLEY DENO -- PROBABLY YOU WOULD HAVE STILL MET ME.
EIGHT YEARS AGO A LOT SPLIT IN VIRGINIA PARK CAME BEFORE
COUNCIL.
THE STAFF FOUND IT INCONSISTENT AND COUNCIL VOTED NO.
FOUR YEARS LATER, ANOTHER SPLIT ON THE SAME STREET.
NOTHING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAD CHANGED, YET THIS TIME
STAFF FOUND IT CONSISTENT.
THE SAME DATA OPPOSITE VERDICTS.
SOUND FAMILIAR?
THERE WAS NO EXPLANATION FOR IT THEN JUST LIKE THERE IS NO
EXPLANATION TODAY.
THE BEST REASON STAFF CAME UP WITH WAS THIS IS MORE OF AN
ART THAN A SCIENCE.
THE COUNCIL DID NOT LIKE THAT POOR EXCUSE.
THEY VOTED IT DOWN UNANIMOUSLY AND SAID THAT STAFF REPORTS
MUST BE DEPENDABLE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, MANISCALCO AND MIRANDA, YOU ALL VOTED NO.
AND YOU VOTED NO BECAUSE YOU SAID MUST BE CONSISTENCY AND
RELIABILITY.
HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
AS YOGI BERRA WOULD SAY, DÉJÀ VU ALL OVER AGAIN.
NO REASON WHY STAFF WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW WITH THE
SAME FACTS.
IT IS BASED ON THE BLOCK FACE, A STANDARD THAT DOES NOT
EXIST FOR REZONINGS.
HOW CAN YOU USE A STANDARD THAT DOES NOT EXIST?
PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT ABBYE FEELEY'S MAP.
THIS IS THE 2012 SUBJECT LOT.
THIS IS THE LOT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
THESE TWO LOTS AND EVERY LOT IN RED IS 75 FEET FOR GREATER
AND CONFORMING.
BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE SOFTWARE THEY HAVE TODAY, A
SMALLER MAP AND HER NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGES ARE ACTUALLY
LOWER THAN OURS, BUT SHE FOUND IT INCONSISTENT.
WHY?
I WILL LET MISS FEELEY TELL YOU.
YOU HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT.
THE PREDOMINANT IS 75 FEET OR GREATER, THE REDS.
58% HAD 75 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
IN A LARGER AREA, 62% OF THEM WERE CONFORMING TO RS-75.
EVERYTHING IN THE BLUES THAT I SHOWED YOU WERE 1950, 55, 51.
STAFF FOUND THIS REQUEST FOR THE LOT SPLIT TO BE
INCONSISTENT WITH THE AREA.
STAFF FOUND THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT BASED ON THE EXISTING
DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE AREA.
I SEEK TO IMPLORE THE SAME STANDARD OF REVIEW THAT I DO ON
EACH AND EVERY CASE.
THE REDS OUTWEIGH THE BLUES, SO THAT'S WHAT I PRESENT TO
YOU.
SIMPLE, LOGICAL, FAIR.
THE REDS OUTWEIGH THE BLUES.
REJECTED THE ART AND EMBRACED THE SCIENCE.
THAT IS HOW YOU GET CONSISTENCY, FAIRNESS AND CREDIBILITY.
THIS COUNCIL MUST NOT SETTLE FOR LESS THAN THE PREVIOUS
COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
01:53:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
01:53:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM THAT HAVE YET TO BE
SWORN IN?
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND -- [SWEARING IN]
01:53:38PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
HINES DUFFER.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU ARE IN THE ROOM.
PAULA PERRY, TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES.
01:53:54PM >>> NELSON BOSQUE.
DEAR COUNCILMEMBERS.
BECAUSE OF THE FORMAT OF THE HEARINGS WE WERE NOT ABLE TO
COMMENT AFTER THE CITIZENS SPOKE ON AUGUST 4.
TODAY YOU WILL HEAR FROM VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY
AND CITY PLANNING AFTER THE PRESENTATION BY ZAIN HUSSEIN.
WE REALIZED THAT YOU RELY ON CITY PLANNING AND ZAIN'S
PRESENTATIONS TO MAKE YOUR DECISION.
MR. ZAIN HUSSEIN HAS OVERLOOKED OR CHOSEN TO OMIT SOME FACTS
IN HIS PRESENTATION.
IF FELT TO THE COMMUNITY ARIZONA MR. HUSSEIN WAS STEERING
COUNCIL AND PURPOSELY OMITTING FACTS.
ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS, HIS EXPLANATION OF THE COMMUNITY, ZAIN
MENTIONS THAT THE THREE LOTS TO THE NORTH HAVE A FRONTAGE OF
55, 55, AND 57.86.
WHAT HE FAILS TO TELL YOU IS THAT THE QUARTER OF A MILE AND
214 PROPERTIES ARE REQUIRED TO BE CONSIDERED.
THERE ARE LESS THAN 5% OF THE LOTS WITH A FRONTAGE OF 55
FEET.
MR. HUSSEIN TALKS ABOUT THE REQUEST BEING COMPATIBLE WITH
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS CAUSING CONFUSION WITH CITY COUNCIL.
WHAT ZAIN IS SAYING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FACT AND
TODAY WE WILL ADDRESS FACTS.
WE ARE CITIZENS AND WE REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE RELIED ON MR.
HUSSEIN TO MAKE YOUR DECISION.
FOR EXAMPLE, MR. GUDES, IN THE LAST HEARING, YOU WERE
ANALYZING THE MAP AND READ OFF OF THE FRONTAGES OF 162, 78,
113, 110, 110, 103, 100, 100, 108, 104, 100, 100, 94, 116,
103.
NONE MEASURED 55.
CLEAR THAT YOU WERE BEING TOLD THAT THE REQUEST WAS
COMPATIBLE, BUT WHAT YOU WERE SEEING DID NOT INDICATE THAT.
QUESTIONED ZAIN OF THE COMPATIBLE, HE SAID WHEN STAFF WAS
ANALYZE THIS.
I -- YOU ARE LOOKING AT BLOCK HERE AND THE BLOCK FACE FROM
SOUTH CAMERON AS TO SEE THOSE LOTS TO THE NORTH AND ALSO TO
THE EAST.
YOU WILL SEE THAT COMPATIBILITY.
THAT WAS A QUOTE.
IT IS UNCLEAR WHY ZAIN WOULD NOT HAVE HELPED YOU WITH YOUR
ANALYSIS AND WOULDN'T HAVE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE LOT IN
QUESTION IS 110 FEET LIKE THE OTHER LOT SIZES YOU WERE
READING OFF 55 IS NOT A STANDARD FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND NOR
ANALYSIS.
HIS RESPONSE BROUGHT YOU BACK TO ONLY FOCUS ON CAMERON AND
DID NOT -- DID NOT ALLOW YOU TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE 214
PARCELS.
THE TAMPA CODE SAYS A QUARTER MILE.
DOES NOT SAY BLOCK FACE.
BUT STAFF AND COUNCIL, BASED ON DECISION OF BLOCK FACE,
WHICH DOES NOT EXIST IN THE CITY CODE FOR REZONINGS.
MISS HURTAK, I AM GOING -- YOU SAID, I AM GOING TO STICK
WITH THE WHOLE MAP SCENARIO BECAUSE WHAT I DID WHILE
LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS AND SAYING THAT THIS LOT CONFORMS
TO THE REST OF IT ALL, WELL, I COUNTED AND ONLY 11 LOTS IN
THE ENTIRE AREA THAT ARE 110 OR WIDER.
SO LOT SPLITTING TO ME A, THE BLOCK FACE FITS.
B, SO FEW LOTS THAT ARE THIS SIZE THAT I DON'T SEE -- I
DON'T SEE THE ARGUMENT HERE.
MISS HURTAK, THE MAP THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO, WHICH YOU
HAVE A COPY OF, ALSO INDICATES THAT LESS 5% OF THE LOTS ARE
55 FEET.
95% OF THE LOTS ARE LARGER THAN 55 FEET.
WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE LOOK AT THE MAP AND REALIZE THAT 185
LOTS IN THE SAMPLE ARE GREATER THAN 65 FEET.
THE GREAT MAJORITY ARE OVER 75 FEET.
THAT IS WHAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE.
NOT SMALL 55-FOOT LOTS.
YOU ALSO QUESTIONED ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF RS-75
REQUIREMENTS AND IF THE LOT REQUIRED TO BE 7500 SQUARE FEET.
AGAIN, A 7500-STARE-FOOT LOT IN THIS COMMUNITY AND SAMPLE IS
NOT A TYPICAL HOT.
ONLY TYPICAL ON THIS STREET.
WE ASK THAT YOU LOOK BEYOND THIS STREET AND FOUR PARCELS AND
CONSIDER THE ENTIRE AREA OF A QUARTER OF MILE AND 214
PARCELS.
YOUR LAST QUESTION.
IF THIS -- I QUOTE, IF THIS PETITIONER BUILT WHAT THEY WANT
A CONNECTOR TO MAKE IT ONE HOUSE, IT WOULD STILL BE LEGAL,
RIGHT?
YOU ALSO ASKED IF THEY BUILT ONE LARGE 10,000-SQUARE-FOOT
LOT ON ONE LOT, IF THAT WAS LEGAL.
THE SIZE, TYPE AND STYLE OF HOME IS NOT WHAT IS IN QUESTION.
WHAT IS IN QUESTION IF THE PETITIONER SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO
REZONE THIS PARCEL OR NOT.
KEEP IN MIND, WE HAD RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT DATE
BACK TO THE 1950s.
NOT A SINGLE REZONING HAS EVER BEEN APPROVED.
WE KINDLY ASK THAT YOU LOOK BEYOND THE FOUR PARCELS ON THE
STREET.
MR. MIRANDA, THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR ADMITTING THAT YOU ORIGINALLY MISREAD THE COMPLEX
INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THE FIRST HEARING.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE OF
QUARTER OF MILE RATHER THAN THREE PARCELS ON THIS PARTICULAR
STREET.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
01:59:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
PROCEED.
01:59:54PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS KATHLEEN DUFFER.
I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR 20 YEARS.
IN MY HOME NOW AT 15 YEARS.
I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CARLSON AND MANISCALCO
FOR THEIR NO VOTE ON THE READING IN THE FIRST REPORT.
I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO RESPECT OUR CITY ZONING LAWS.
YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENT.
PLEASE READ ALONG WITH US.
SECTION 27-11.
CREATION OF NEW LOTS, REDUCTION OF LOT DIMENSIONS BELOW
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
NO LOT, NO NEW LOT SHALL BE CREATED EXCEPT IN CONFORMITY
WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF APPLICABLE REGULATIONS.
THESE NEW LOTS DO NOT CONFORM TO THE RS-75 MINIMUM
REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN THE LAW FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD
SINCE 1950s.
THE ONLY LOTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE 55 WIDE WERE
DEVELOPED OVER 60 YEARS AGO.
THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN.
NOT A SINGLE 55 LOT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE THE 75 MINIMUM
REQUIREMENT WAS ENACTED IN 1950.
NO ONE HAS BROKEN THE LAW YET.
NO YARD OR ZONING LOT SHALL BE REDUCED IN WIDTH, DEPTH AND
AREA BELOW THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR LOTS AS SET FORTH IN
THIS CHAPTER.
THIS CHAPTER SETS A MINIMUM 75-FOOT REQUIREMENT.
RS-75 REQUIRES 75 FEET.
THE NEXT LOWER IS RS-60, WHICH REQUIRES 60 FEET.
THESE 55 LOTS DON'T EVEN MEET THAT -- THAT MINIMUM
REQUIREMENT.
THESE 55 LOTS MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE RS-50.
THAT IS TWO WHOLE ZONING SIZES SMALLER.
NO DIVISION OF AN EXISTING ZONE -- ZONING LOT OR LOT OF
RECORD MAY OCCUR.
THAT IS CONFIGURATION WHICH IS INCONSISTENT WITH EXISTING
LOT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN A RADIUS OF 1320 FEET.
ONE QUARTER OF A MILE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE MUNICIPAL CODE SAYS 1320 FEET DOES NOT SAY BLOCK FACE.
BUT THE STAFF REPORT IS ON THE BLOCK FACE WHICH IS A
STANDARD THAT DOES NOT EXIST IN OUR CITY CODE FOR REZONINGS.
CITY COUNCIL REQUIRES YOU TO BASE YOUR DECISION ON THE CODE.
THE STAFF MAP IS 1320 FEET.
IT SHOWS ONLY 10%.
PLEASE CONSIDER THE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
THANK YOU.
02:03:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
02:03:02PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I AM PATRICIA EMBRY.
I AM A RESIDENT OF STANDING LIVING 150 FEET FROM THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY.
I HAVE LIVED THERE WITH MY HUSBAND MIKE FOR -- GOING ON 50
YEARS.
AND I JOIN MY MANY NEIGHBORS IN OPPOSING THE REZONING FOR
THE REASONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE QUOTING THE CODE.
NEWLY CREATED LOTS MUST MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL PRECEDENT
PATTERN OF PARCEL CONFIGURATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE BELIEVE THE HISTORICAL PRECEDENT PATTERN OF PARCEL
CONFIGURATION IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 50 YEARS HAS NO
-- OVER 60 YEARS HAS NO 55-FOOT LOTS.
IT HAS BEEN 100% IN CONFORMANCE TO THE REQUIREMENT OF LARGE
LOTS FOR 60 YEARS.
QUOTING LOTS OF RECORD MAY NOT BE RECONFIGURED IN CONFLICT
WITH THE ESTABLISHED PATTERN OF LOTS WITHIN A RADIUS OF 1320
FEET.
THREE TIMES THE CITY CODE IN THE CITY CODE, IT SAYS YOU MUST
CONSIDER THE PATTERN 1320 FEET.
IT DOES NOT SAY BLOCK FACE IS THE WORD "BLOCK FACE" IS NOT
IN THE CITY CODE OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR REZONINGS.
CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO BASE THEIR VOTE ON THE WORDS ON
THE CODE.
QUOTING THE CREATION OF SUB STANDARD LOT SIZE WILL CREATE
EACH NEW LOT CREATED FROM THE ORIGINAL PARCEL TO BE A
VIOLATION OF THIS CHAPTER.
WE SAY THESE 55 LOTS ARE SUBSTANDARD OF THE CODE AND A
VIOLATION OF CHAPTER 27-11.
PLAN HILLSBOROUGH URBAN, 18.14.10 AND TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
LAND USE POLICY 8.14.2 SAY TO CONSERVE PHYSICAL AS PETS THAT
CONTRIBUTE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD'S DESIRED CHARACTER.
AND TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE POLICY 9.38.
THAT THE INTENT OF THE CITY THAT NEW REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS
SHALL BE MINIMALLY DISRUPTIVE TO ADJACENT AREAS.
TO ACHIEVE THIS, THE CITY SHALL ASSESS THE POTENTIAL
POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
WE, THE RESIDENTS, FEEL THAT WE ARE THE EXPERTS IN THE
CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE GIVEN COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THESE
55-FOOT LOTS WILL HAVE A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE
DEVELOPMENT OF PATTERN AND CHARACTER IN THE SURROUNDING
AREA.
WHEN THERE IS THIS MUCH OVERWHELMING NEIGHBORHOOD
OPPOSITION, IT IS PROOF THAT IT WILL NOT BE MINIMALLY
DISRUPTIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU.
02:06:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
02:06:32PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ANITA COMACHO, SAN MIGUEL STREET ON THE
CORNER OF CAMERON AND MIGUEL TWO DOORS DOWN FROM SUBJECT
PROPERTY.
LIVED IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR 20 YEARS AND THIS HOUSE FOR SEVEN.
I AM GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE -- WHERE WE LEFT OFF
HERE.
LAND USE POLICY 9.5.1, PROTECT LOW DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY
AREAS THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE TO HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN AND
OTHER RESIDENTS THAT PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH PRIVACY AND OPEN
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS VERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS GREEN SPACES AND SHADY TREES.
I HAVE FIVE TREES ON MY PROPERTY AND I, UNFORTUNATELY, ARE
AM ONE OF THE BLUE LOTS.
THAT IS WHY WE CHOSE IT.
LIVE OAKS ARE ESSENTIAL TO OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY AND REQUIRE
A 20 FOOT RADIUS MINIMUM FOR THEIR ROOTS.
NOT ANY ON THIS LOT, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, BUT ROOM TO PLANT
SOME.
NO ROOM FOR LIVE OAKS ON A 55-FOOT LOT.
IF YOU APPROVE IT, DEVELOPER ALSO SWARM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
SPLIT OUR LOTS AND TAKE AWAY MORE TREES.
HIGHER ELECTRIC BILL, FLOODING, DIRTY AIR, CLIMATE CHANGE
AND MUCH MORE.
9.5.2.
MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THE CHARACTER OF SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS INCLUDE DENSITY
CHARACTERISTICS.
AND LAND USE POLICY 9.5.4, MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF
SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS AND PROTECT AREAS OF LOWER DENSITY OF
DEVELOPMENT.
THIS WILL CHANGE THE CHARACTER AND DENSITY OF OU
NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU WILL GUARANTEE MORE LOT SPLITS TO COME.
LAND USE POLICY 13.2.6, COMMUNITY'S DESIRE OF CHARACTER TO
BE CONSIDERED.
A DETAILED ANALYSIS IS 1320 FEET.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.28 LIMIT THE USE OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
REDISTRICT PETITIONS.
USING A PD TO WORK AROUND THE CODE.
THIS PROJECT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS EUCLIDIAN ZONING
OF RS-50.
THEY DON'T NEED TO USE A PD.
IF THEY REJOIN, THEY DON'T NEED ANY WAIVERS AND RS-50 IS NOT
ALLOWED IN A R-6 LAND USE.
THE NEXT BIGGEST IS RS-60 BUT NOT ALLOWED EITHER.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT IS 100% CONSISTENT
WITH RS-50 ZONING NOT ALLOWED IN R-6 LAND USE.
IT WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE A RS-50 LOT.
YOU CAN SEE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
PUTTING THE LETTERS PD ON A PIECE OF PAPER DOES NOT
CHALLENGE WHAT IT WILL BE, A RS-50 ZONING IN A RS-75
NEIGHBORHOOD.
RESPECT TAMPA'S NATURAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY CHANGES AS
A EVOLVES.
IF YOU APPROVE IT, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU DO NOT EXPECT OUR
NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND COMMUNITY IDENTITY.
WE ARE NO, MA'AM COULD THE AM IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAY WE NO
HE MORE.
DON'T COME INTO OUR AND TELL US YOU KNOW MORE THAN US.
WE KNOW MORE AND YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO US.
02:09:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
02:09:52PM >> LAURIE McMAHON.
I LIVE AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE ADDRESS IN QUESTION.
AND I AM GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE
ARE PROVIDING TO YOU.
THE TAMPA CODE SAYS 1320 FEET.
IT DOES NOT SAY "BLOCK FACE" WHICH IS A STANDARD THAT DOES
NOT EXIST IN THE CITY CODE FOR REZONINGS.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.3, RELATE NEW BUILDINGS AND DEVELOPMENTS
TO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CONTEXT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
OR COMMUNITY.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.5, ENCOURAGE POSITIVE CHANGE WHILE
PROTECTING TAMPA'S TRADITIONAL CHARACTER WHERE APPLICABLE.
THIS IS NOT POSITIVE CHANGE AND DOES NOT PROTECT THE
TRADITIONAL 60-YEAR CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.10.
ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT -- ENSURE THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT
DESIGN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCES THEIR DISTINCTIVE
NATURAL HISTORIC CHARACTERISTICS.
WE ARE THE EXPERTS.
NO ONE ELSE.
THIS ENHANCES NOTHING.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.16.
PROMOTE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTS OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, WHICH
EMPHASIZE THE SPECIAL IDENTITY OF EACH OF THE CITIES
NEIGHBORHOODS.
FOR 100 YEARS, THE SPECIAL IDENTITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS
BEEN LARGE LOTS, ROOM FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY, BIG SPREADING OF
TREES AND LOTS OF GREEN SPACE.
LITTLE TRAFFIC AND LOTS OF PEACE AND QUIET.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.28.
THE CITY PLANNING STRATEGY.
KEEPING FOR THE VISION OF A MORE LIVABLE CITY, FUTURE GROWTH
WILL BE STEERED TO AREAS AND LOCATION THAT ARE WELL DELVED
SI TRANSIT.
GROWTH AREAS LOCATION WITH GOOD TRANSIT ACCESS CAN BE
PROVIDED ALONG BUS AND FUTURE RAIL TRANSIT ROUTES AND FUTURE
TRANSIT STATIONS.
THE FOUR GROWTH AREAS ARE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, URBAN
VILLAGES, MIXED USE CORRIDORS AND CENTERS.
TRANSIT STATION AREAS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT WELL SERVED BY TRANSIT.
NOT AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
NOT AN URBAN VILLAGE.
NOT A MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
NOT A TRANSIT STATIONARY.
IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD TO PROVIDES ROOM FOR A TREE CANOPY.
TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AREAS OF OPPORTUNITY AND PLANNING
DISTRICTS FOCUS ON FUTURE GROWTH THE VISION MAP SHOW WHERE
IS HIGHER DENSITY SHOULD OCCUR, WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS WILL
REMAIN UNCHANGED AND STABLE.
SIX LEVELS OF INTENSITY TO INDICATE.
SOUTH TAMPA IS LEVEL ONE.
NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
ESTABLISHED AREA.
SOUTH TAMPA CHARACTERISTICS.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES THAT WILL BE COMPROMISED BY
URBANIZATION.
LIMITED ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES THAT WILL BE
RESOURCE INEFFICIENT.
LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MORE COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
FLOOD PRONE LAND.
THANK YOU.
02:13:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
02:13:03PM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANELLA.
4012 SAN RAFAEL.
THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THREE GOALS NECESSARY
FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.
NUMBER ONE IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
CONTRARY TO STAFF REPORT THAT THERE ARE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS
ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPOSAL OF TWO MASSIVE
HOMES WHERE THERE WAS ONLY ONE HOME DOES IMPACT THE ADJACENT
NEIGHBORS AND CREATES A HARDSHIP FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BE IMPACTED BY TWO FAMILIES, AND
INCREASING CARS, WHICH INCREASES TRAFFIC.
ALL IN ONE CORNER OF SAN CARLOS AND SOUTH CAMERON.
JEOPARDIZING THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN WHO WALK OR RIDE
THEIR BICYCLE TO SCHOOL AND ITS RESIDENCE.
SECOND IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
AS WE KNOW IT IS INADEQUATE AND CANNOT EFFICIENTLY SUPPORT
NEIGHBORHOODS.
OUR STATUTE REQUIRES THAT THE CITY PROVIDE THAT PUBLIC
FACILITIES AND SERVICES MEET OR EXCEED THE STANDARDS
NECESSARY FOR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
OUR CITY IS BEHIND IN ITS EFFORTS.
IN MY 30-PLUS YEARS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, NOTHING HAS BEEN
DONE.
THESE PICTURES SHOW THE RETENTION POND IN FRONT OF MY
PROPERTY WHICH DRAINS INTO A DRAINAGE DITCH ON PALMYRA AT
THE END OF SOUTH CAMERON.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THIS AREA BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING AND
INCONSISTENT WITH 9.2.1 AND 9.3.8.
NUMBER THREE IS MOBILITY THAT INCLUDES OUR BUSES HAVE
SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANES.
ALTHOUGH TRANSIT STOP IS ONE-HALF MILE EAST OF THE PROPERTY,
OUR BUSES ARE INADEQUATE.
THEY ARE TIME CONSUMING AND ONLY RUN HOURLY AND ONLY 1% OF
THE WORKING PUBLIC USE THEM.
THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON SAN CARLOS TO THE BUS STOP, MAKING
IT NOT EASILY ACCESSIBLE.
THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES IN THIS AREA.
TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING, THE CITY POPULATION, OUR CITY HAS
NOT EXPERIENCING A LACK OF HOUSING BUT A LACK OF ATTAINABLE
HOUSING.
THESE TWO PROPOSED HOMES DO NOT GET THAT CRITERIA AND LIMITS
THE PUBLIC THAT CAN AFFORD THEM.
THEREFORE, INCONSISTENT WITH LAND USE OBJECTIVE 9.2, POLICY
1.1.16, AND 9.2.1.
THIS IS NOT A VACANT LOT.
THE HOME WAS DEMOLISHED DUE TO OWNERS LACK OF MAINTENANCE
AND VIOLATION OF ORDINANCE CHAPTER 19.
THERE ARE NO VACANT LOTS.
NOR UNDERUTILIZED LAND IN NEED OF INFILL.
THIS IS A STABLE AND ECONOMICALLY SOUND AREA WHICH MAKES
HOUSING POLICY 1.3.4, LAND USE POLICY 2.1.2.
9.3.8.
9.5.1 AND 9.5.3 INCONSISTENT.
THANK YOU.
02:16:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
02:16:31PM >> I WILL GIVE YOU THESE PICTURES.
02:16:48PM >> MAY I PROCEED.
GREETINGS, MY NAME IS MIKE EMBRY.
MY WIFE AND I, PATRICIA, WHO SPOKE PREVIOUSLY.
WE LIVE ON CORNER OF SAN CARLOS AND CLARK.
WE LIVE THERE FOR EVERY 50 YEARS -- AND WE ARE ABOUT 150
FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GIVES US STANDING.
I WANT TO GO ON RECORD THAT BOTH MY WIFE AND I ARE OPPOSED
TO THIS VARIANCE BEING PROPOSED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THESE ARE SOME OF MY REASONS WHY.
THE -- MAKING THE ACCEPTANCE OF THIS VARIANCE IN OUR RS-75
NEIGHBORHOOD.
FOR ONE PROPERTY ONLY, IT WILL LEAD TO OTHER EXCEPTIONS IN
THE FUTURE.
LOT SPLITTING WILL BECOME A NEW PRECEDENT IN OUR PALMA CEIA
WEST NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN TAMPA AND
ALSO THE NEIGHBORHOODS -- OUR NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH
PALMA CEIA, HYDE PARK AND DAVIS ISLAND.
EVERY BUILDER AND THEIR ATTORNEYS WHEN THEY GET WIND OF THIS
WILL START APPLYING FOR VARIANCES.
WE KNOW THIS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY COUNCIL, BUT YOU PROBABLY WON'T
BE ABLE TO ANSWER, BUT WHAT WOULD PREVENT A BUILDER FROM
GOING INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUYING
TWO RS-75 HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND COMING BACK TO
THIS CITY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO BUILD
THREE RS-50 HOMES.
THEY WILL BE BASICALLY USING THE SAME ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE
BEEN PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY FOR THE VARIOUS WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT.
SADLY, IF THIS VARIANCE IS ALLOWED, THERE WILL BE NO FIRE
WALL AGAINST THIS FROM HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
MY WIFE AND I ON A PERSONAL NOTE PURCHASED OUR HOME LONG AGO
AFTER GRADUATING FROM USF.
WE ONLY INTENDED TO BE THERE FOR A FEW YEARS.
WE WANTED TO FOLLOW ALL OF OUR PEERS TO CARROLLWOOD WHICH
WAS THE CUSTOM AT THE TIME.
SOMETHING HAPPENED.
WE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE DECIDED TO STAY.
AND I AM RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
BUT I WILL MAKE THIS SHORT.
EVERY FAMILY IN PALMA CEIA EXPERIENCED WHAT WE HAVE.
AND WE WANT TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE IT IS.
TO QUOTE A GREAT ONE, THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE
MANY OF A FEW.
AND WE WOULD HOPE CITY COUNCIL WOULD JOIN WITH US IN OPPOSE
THIS VARIANCE.
THANK YOU.
02:19:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
02:19:59PM >> HI, I AM JOANNE McNABB, A RESIDENT OF PALMA CEIA WEST FOR
43 YEARS.
I AN ENDED ALL THE HEARINGS RECORD THIS REZONING.
PALMA CEIA WEST HAVE RESIDENTS THAT LIVED IN THE SAME
NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAME HOUSE FOR DECADES.
SOME HAVE REACHED OUTS TO US TO SPEAK FOR THEM IN THE
OPPOSITION.
ONE COUPLE MARRIED 65 YEARS NEXT MAY LIVES ON CAMERON
AVENUE.
THE HUSBAND TOLD US HE ALWAYS CALLED THE STREET CAMELOT AS
THAT IS WHAT IT HAS BEEN TO THEM.
THEY ARE CONCERNED HOW THINGS WILL CHANGE IF THIS PARCEL IS
DIVIDED AND DENSITY INCREASED THERE.
ANOTHER 89-YEAR-OLD CALLED TO ASK ME TO EXPRESS HER
OPPOSITION ALSO.
OTHERS WHO WERE HERE ON AUGUST FOURTH COULD NOT ATTEND A
DAYTIME MEETING BECAUSE OF WORK AND OTHER CONFLICTS, BUT YOU
SEE, WE STILL DO HAVE A BIG CONCERN.
SUCH AN IMPORTANT DECISION AS THIS REQUIRES TRUTHFUL
INFORMATION.
WE HAVE TOLD YOU OF THE MISINFORMATION REGARDING THE MAP
AND LOOKING AT THE QUARTER MILE.
THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT.
WE HAVE TOLD YOU UNDER OATH, BUT PLEASE KEEP THIS ALSO IN
MIND.
ANYONE SPEAKING IN THESE CHAMBERS IS UNDER OATH TO TELL THE
TRUTH.
CITY STAFF UNDER OATH REPEATEDLY REFERRED TO THE BLOCK FACE
AND NOT THE 1320-FOOT LOTS FOR HIS ANALYSIS.
AND THIS TERM IS NOT IN THE CODE.
SO THAT IS NOT TRUTHFUL.
COUNCILMEMBERS, WHEN YOU ASK QUESTIONS THAT HAPPENED IN
FIRST HEARINGS UNDER OATH AND YOU DIDN'T GET TRUTHFUL
ANSWERS.
THE APPLICANT IN HIS REBUTTAL TO RESIDENTS' CONCERNS OF THE
NEW NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS, PARKING SPACES WHERE THERE WAS ONLY
ONE BEFORE ON BOTH JUNE 9 AND AUGUST 4, TOLD ALL OF YOU
UNDER COTE THAT THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST ADJACENT TO THE
PARKING STUDY WAS THE SAME FOR DRIVEWAYS.
NOT TRUE.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY.
NO DRIVEWAY.
NO CIRCLE DRIVE.
NO DRIVEWAY OR PARKING ON THE CLARK AVENUE.
HE DID NOT TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
WHAT HE SAID MAY HAVE SWAYED SOME OF YOUR VOTES BUT IT WAS
NOT TRUE.
THE ATTORNEY FOR THE OWNER ON AUGUST 4 SAID UNDER OATH THAT
A 110-FOOT LOT IS JUST OUT OF COMPLIANCE AS A 55-FOOT LOT.
THAT IS NOT HOW ZONING MINIMUMS WORK
THAT IS NOT TRUTHFUL INFORMATION EITHER.
THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES ALONG WITH OTHER INFORMATION WE
ARE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY AND IN PREVIOUS HEARINGS AND
CORRESPONDENCE THAT TRUTH WAS NOT TOLD HERE CONCERNING THAT
REQUEST.
SO YOU ALL HAVE TO DECIDE IF THAT IS IMPORTANT.
THAT'S ON YOU.
THANK YOU.
02:22:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
IF I SEE NO ONE ELSE JUMPING, THIS GENTLEMAN WILL BE THE
LAST PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER-FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
02:23:24PM >> COULD WE PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD?
02:23:32PM >> IT'S THERE.
02:23:41PM >> I HAVE TWO MINUTES.
JIM McMAHON, JAN FLOWERS.
TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES.
02:23:50PM >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL McNABB, PRESIDENT OF PALMA CEIA WEST
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I AM A RESIDENT OF 47 YEARS WHICH MAKES ME A SUBJECT MATTER
EXPERT.
I AM A HOMEOWNER WITHIN 250 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
WE COULD HAVE PACKED YOUR CHAMBERS TODAY WITH PEOPLE AND WE
CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.
YOU HEARD OF THEM IN PRIOR HEARINGS.
YOU WILL HEAR SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT I AM THE
LAST SPEAKER.
AND I AM NOT GOING TO REHASH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID.
BUT I WANT SOME THINGS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU TAKE
THE VOTE TODAY.
THE MAP THAT YOU SEE IS THE SAME MAP OF ZONING THAT ZAIN
USED.
I WRITE THE ZONINGS -- THEY ARE SAME MAP.
I HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING OR ALTERED ANYTHING.
WHAT YOU SEE IS THE SAME THING THAT THEY USED.
THE NUMBERS, SAME, THE NUMBER LOTS ARE THE SAME, BUT INSTEAD
OF USING THE COLORS, WE NUMBERED THE PARCELS.
YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF.
NIP UNDERSTANDING OF THAT MAP, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER IT AND
DEFER TO STAFF TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE BEFORE IT.
TO BEGIN WITH, THIS ISN'T ABOUT LACKING A FEW FEET OF
FRONTAGE.
THE SLIT IS 40 FEET OF MEETING THE RS-75 ZONING.
MEETING THE FRONTAGE AND SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENTS NOT JUST
ONE OR THE OTHER.
MR. HILLS REPRESENTS THEM IS A FINE GENTLEMAN.
HE TOLD YOU A SMALL NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WERE CAUSING ALL
THE TROUBLE FOR HIS CLIENT AND HAD -- HAD ANIMOSITY TOWARD
HIS FAMILY.
ACTUALLY ALL THE NEIGHBORING OWNERS, EVEN ON ADJACENT BLOCKS
ARE AGAINST THIS VIOLATION OF OUR LEGAL ZONING FOR REASONS
THAT ARE NOT PERSONAL.
MOST OF THEM DON'T EVEN KNOW MO HE IS.
IF OUR BOARD HAD MET REQUEST PETITIONER AND HIS
REPRESENTATIVE, WE WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM WE SUCCESSFULLY
OPPOSE THE LAST LAW SPLIT AND OPPOSE ANY ACTION THAT
VIOLATES THE LEGAL ZONING.
WE WOULD TELL YOU THE SAME THING IF YOU WERE THE PROPERTY
OWNER.
THAT IS WHY THE CITY ENCOURAGES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
SO WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE ENTIRE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO DISPARAGE THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
I AM A RETIRED CITY EMPLOYEE MYSELF, AND I KNOW THAT WORKING
FOR CITY GOVERNMENT IS NO PICNIC.
WE SPENT HOURS AND DAY RESTRUCTURES AND CLARIFYING A STAFF
REPORT THAT HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS IT WAS REMANDED BACK TO
ANOTHER FIRST HEARING.
I THINK THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED.
IF THE STAFF FOLLOWED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES TO THE
LETTER AND CONSIDERED THE DIRECTOR'S PRIOR REZONING SUPPORT
AND COUNCIL'S DECISION ON THAT AND PROVIDE A NEUTRAL AND
FACTUAL REPORT TO YOU, WE WOULD HAVE NO ARGUMENTS.
WE CAN'T STAND ASIDE AND PLAY NICE WHEN PROPERTY OWNERS'
RIGHTS ARE TAKEN AWAY.
ONCE THAT STARTS, IT SNOWBALLS.
THIS DEPARTMENT NEEDS STANDARDS AND SOPs SO EVERYBODY KNOWS
WHAT THE RULES ARE AND NOT A ROLL OF THE DICE.
THE MAJORITY OF LOT SPLITS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPER WHO PROFIT
SELLING TWO LOTS INSTEAD OF ONE.
THE PETITIONER INDICATED HE WANTED TO BUILD TWO LARGE HOUSES
FOR EXTENDED FAMILY BUT NOTHING PROHIBITS HIM FROM SELLING
THOSE TWO EMPTY LOTS AS THEY HAVE BEEN ZONED IN OTHER
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I CAN'T SAY WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE, BUT THE SUBJECT
110-FOOT PARCEL THAT EXCEEDS THE RS-57 IS SUFFICIENT FOR ONE
HOUSE AS ALL THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS WITHOUT A REZONING AND
WITHOUT A PD.
RULES OVER THAT AND NOT OF THE CONSTITUENTS.
ATTORNEY CATE WELLS SAY WE HAVE LEGAL FINDING AND ARE
SUBJECT TO DUE PROCESS.
OPINIONS ARE OBJECTIVE.
FACT ARE OBJECTIVE.
YOU HEARD COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TODAY FROM YOUR
CONSTITUENTS.
LASTLY IN REZONING IS BEING CLOSELY WATCHED BY OTHER
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONINGS IN SOUTH TAMPA BY T.H.A.N. AND
CONCERNED RESIDENTS WHO VOTE IN LOCAL ELECTIONS, THE
NEWSPAPER AND DEVELOPERS UP UNTIL NOW HAVE WISELY AVOIDED
FILING REZONINGS IN PALMA CEIA WEST FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
THEY WOULD HAVE LOST.
AN IMPORTANT CASE THAT DESERVES CAREFUL SCRUTINY AND ALL OF
THE CAREFUL AND COMPETENT EVIDENCE DOES -- THAT HAS BEEN
PROVIDED BY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HAS TO BE THE DECIDING
FACTOR IN YOUR VOTES.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
02:28:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
PETITIONER, YOU HAVE -- YOUR EQUAL TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO USE IT.
02:28:42PM >> THANK YOU, GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
FOR THE RECORD, KEVIN REALI, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
THE PUBLIC DISCUSSED 27-11 AND KEEPS REFERRING BACK THAT
THAT QUARTER-MILE STANDARD.
WHAT THE PUBLIC DIDN'T DISCLOSE THAT 27-11 ALSO TELLS THE
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO CONSIDER THE UNDERLYING PLAT WHEN
LOOKING AT COMPATIBILITY.
AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN THE 1320-SQUARE-FOOT AREA IS
NOT THE SAME.
IT IS FOR COMPATIBILITY.
ALL ABOUT COMPATIBILITY.
NO WAIVERS ARE REQUESTED FOR THIS APPLICATION.
STAFF HAS FOUND THIS COMPATIBLE.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS FOUND IN COMPATIBLE.
COMPLIES WITH THE YND LYING FUTURE LAND USE.
THIS COMPLIES WITH THE RS-75 STANDARDS ON TOP OF THE R-6
DENSITY STANDARDS.
THE NEIGHBORS ARE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THIS LOT THAT IS
PROPOSED IS NOT THE SAME AS THEIRS.
WHEN THEY HAVE GONE BACK AND PICKED APART SOME OF THE
TESTIMONY AND QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS
EQUATING A FACT?
THE SAME AS THIS WITH COMPATIBILITY.
STAFF'S COMMENT WAS ON COMPATIBILITY.
STAFF WAS NOT TESTIFYING THAT THIS LOT WILL BE THE EXACT
SAME.
STAFF WAS TESTIFYING THAT THEY FOUND IT COMPATIBLE BASED ON
THEIR ANALYSIS.
COMPATIBILITY -- LET ME ZOOM IN HERE -- COMPATIBILITY IS NOT
DEFINED IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT IS COMBINED IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I WILL READ HERE AND PAUSE AT CERTAIN POINTS.
COMPATIBILITY IS DEFINED AS THE CHARACTERISTIC OF DIFFERENT
USES AND ACTIVITIES.
WE HAVE NO DIFFERENCE IN USE.
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED SURROUNDED BY SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
TO -- ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER IN HARMONY.
SOME ELEMENTS AFFECTING COMPATIBILITY INCLUDE HEIGHT, SCALE,
MASS, BULK OF STRUCTURES.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP UNDER THE RS-75 DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS AND DENSITY COMPLY TO THE DENSITY IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION, PARKING,
LANDSCAPING IS ALL CONTROLLED BY YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
NO WAIVERS REQUESTED HERE AND ALL OF THESE STANDARDS ARE
COVERED BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES.
MOST IMPORTANTLY HERE, TO DEPEND MYSELF AND TO DEFEND STAFF
FOR THIS IDEA THAT THE TESTIMONY ABOUT COMPATIBILITY WAS
WRONG BECAUSE IT IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT IS
PROPOSED.
COMPATIBILITY DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME AS.
RATHER REFERS TO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS AND CHARACTER OF THE
EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF FOUND IT COMPATIBLE.
NO PRECEDENT WILL BE SET HERE.
OTHER APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU ARE NOT RELEVANT.
AND JUST TO POINT OUT ONE ITEM HERE IN MY COMMENT.
THE ONLY SPECIFIC COMMENT THAT I WILL REFER TO, THE COMMENT
THAT 110-FOOT LOT IS NO MORE COMPATIBLE.
110-FOOT LOT IS 35 FEET LARGER THAN RS-75 MINIMUM LOT.
AND WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE IS 20-FOOT DISTINGUISH THAT.
I AM SIMPLY POINTING OUT THE MATHEMATICAL DIFFERENCE THERE
THAT THE DELTA WE ARE TALK SOMETHING LESS THAN THE DELTA
THAT WOULD EXIST IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED.
AGAIN JUST TO RECAP, ALL ABOUT COMPATIBILITY.
YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF FOUND THIS COMPATIBLE.
NO WAIVERS WERE REQUESTED.
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.
THANK YOU.
02:32:29PM >> CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL, LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
I WANTED TO SPEAK ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS JUST FOR THE RECORD.
A LOT OF TESTIMONY HAS BEEN GIVEN.
YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION FROM THE
PUBLIC.
AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT SOME THINGS ON THE RECORD.
SO, ONE, THERE IS -- I HAVE RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE
PUBLIC AND ABOUT THE AUGUST 4 HEARING AND TESTIMONY GIVEN.
I WENT BACK AND I REVIEWED THE TRANSCRIPT.
I REVIEWED THE RECORDING OF THE HEARING AND OF LISTENED AND
WATCHED WHAT WAS BRENT PRESENT BY ZAIN.
ZAIN PRESENTED ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED MAP AND AERIAL MAP.
IT WAS CORRECT.
INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS CORRECT.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS LISTED IN CORRESPONDENCE FROM ONE OF
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AS TO WHETHER THE INFORMATION
PROVIDED WITH AS TRUE AND CORRECT.
SO I DID WANT TO STATE THAT ON THE RECORD, BUT ALSO TO
EXPLAIN, YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN INFORMATION FROM THE 2012
REZONING WHICH WAS A CONFORMING MAP WHICH WAS A DIFFERENT
MAP THAT WAS UTILIZED AT THAT TIME.
SO AT THE TIME WE USED THE RED-BLUE MAP WHICH YOU HEARD
ABOUT THAT CONTAINS THE TWO COLORS.
AND THAT GIVES YOU THE SIZE OF THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTIES
IN QUESTION SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, WHETHER
THEY ARE LARGER OR SMALLER THAN THE UNDERLYING ZONING AS FAR
AS THE LOT WIDTH.
WHAT WE USED STARTING IN 2014 IS A DIFFERENT CONFORMING MAP
REFERRED TO OF THE TESTIMONY GIVEN TODAY.
THAT IS THE MAP THAT IS PROVIDED TO YOU IN THE STAFF'S
REPORT.
THAT IS THE CONFORMING MAP THAT WE USE TODAY.
WHEN ZAIN SPOKE IN REFERENCE TO THAT CONFORMING MAP.
HE SPOKE OF THE THREE PAR SELLING LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF
SUBJECT PROPERTY.
HE GAVE THE MEASUREMENTS OF EACH ONE.
AND HE SPOKE ABOUT THOSE LOTS MEETING THE MINIMUM LOT AREA
FOR RS-75, WHICH THEY DO.
EACH LOT MEETS AT LEAST THE 7500 SQUARE FOOT.
BUT MOST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO MENTION AND BRING TO
COUNCIL'S ATTENTION WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.
SO YOU ARE HERE REFERENCE TO THE 2012.
THE 2012 REZONING WITH FOR THIS PARCEL.
THE REQUEST THAT WAS BEFORE YOU.
THIS WAS THE BLOCK.
THE BLOCK THAT IS IDENTIFIED HERE ON THE RIGHT IS FOR THE
CURRENT REQUEST.
SO ONE THING IS, THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BLOCKS IF YOU LOOK
AT THEM.
THEY ARE DEVELOPED DIFFERENTLY.
YOU CAN HAVE TWO UNIQUE BLACKS IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IN THAT CASE, YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT ANALYSIS.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU, COUNCIL, THERE HAS BEEN
A LOT OF TALK OF THE 2012.
BUT IT IS TO REMIND YOU WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY UNDER THIS
REQUEST.
BUT ALSO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PROVIDED WITHIN THE
STAFF REPORT --
02:35:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS REQUESTED YOU PUT THAT
BACK.
02:35:44PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
PUT THE MAP BACK?
ZOOM IN A LITTLE.
YES, SIR.
I PUT THESE -- BY THE WAY, I AM SORRY, COUNCIL, I JUST TOOK
AN IMAGE OF THIS MAP, OF THIS BLOCK, AND THEN THIS BLOCK I
JUST PUT THEM NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
ON THE MAP ITSELF, THEY ARE NOT LOCATED THERE.
02:36:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MISS DOCK.
WHEN ZAIN GAVE US HIS ANALYSIS, THE PROJECT HE SPOKE ABOUT
WAS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
THESE WERE THE THREE MEASUREMENTS HE GAVE YOU.
HE GAVE YOU THE LOT WIDTH AND DEPTH AND HE STATE THAT THESE
EXCEED THE 7500-SQUARE-FOOT MINIMUM IN THE RS-75 ZONING
DISTRICT.
THAT IS CORRECT.
THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED WHICH WAS ON THE
RECORD IS PART OF THE INFORMATION GIVEN IN THE TRANSCRIPT
PROVIDED WAS CORRECT, BECAUSE WHAT SHE ASKED WAS THAT THESE
MEET THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH.
02:37:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:37:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TALKING ABOUT YOUR CURRENT REQUEST.
02:37:12PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES.
02:37:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I LOOK AT THE MAP PRESENTED TO ME BY THE
PUBLIC.
TO ME THAT HOUSE WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH -- SOUTHWEST OF THIS
BLOCK RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT I AM SEEING RIGHT NOW IS YOU ARE SAYING THREE BLUES
THAT ARE -- THAT ARE STANDARD.
AND WE ARE TALKING OF A PETITION FOR THE -- FOR THE RED LOT
TO CONFORM TO THE TOP THREE BLUES, CORRECT?
02:37:46PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
SO THIS IS THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU.
AND THIS IS THE SUBJECT PARCEL WHICH IS HATCHED IN THE BLACK
PATTERN.
THESE ARE THE THREE BLUE LOTS ZAIN REFERENCED IN THE STAFF
REPORT AND IN HIS PRESENTATION ON AUGUST 4.
WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TODAY IS THAT THE INFORMATION
PROVIDED WAS NOT CORRECT.
AND IT WAS STATED CORRECTLY ON THE RECORD.
BUT THESE ARE THE THREE PARCELS THAT ARE LOCATED NORTH OF
THIS REQUEST.
AND YOU HAVE THE TWO THAT ARE LOCATED -- THAT ARE BLUE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THE RECORD, COUNCIL, BECAUSE OF THE
TESTIMONY HEARD ABOUT THE ACCURACY OF WHAT IS PROVIDED BY
STAFF.
02:38:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:38:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION OF ORIGINAL PLATTING.
SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC MENTIONED -- OR I THINK ACTUALLY --
THE APPLICANT MENTIONED ORIGINAL PLATTING.
02:38:51PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES.
02:38:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MANY OF THE OTHER LOTS IN THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL PLATTING?
I AM JUST CURIOUS IF YOU KNOW THAT.
02:39:05PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
SO WHAT WE DID AS PART OF THE REPORT, AND HE
CAN LET ZAIN SPEAK TO THAT SOME.
I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OVER FOR ZAIN.
WE TOOK A SNIPPET OF THAT PLAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE OVERALL AREA -- NOT WITH US HERE TODAY.
BUT THAT IS THE PLAT FOR THE LOT IN QUESTION, WHICH IS
IDENTIFIED IN RED ON THE ELMO.
02:39:31PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:39:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
02:39:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO STAFF.
02:39:51PM >> I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
02:39:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MA'AM, YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES.
02:39:55PM >> BUT I CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION.
02:39:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
02:40:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOVE TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
NO ONE ONLINE.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
I AM GOING TO ASK IF THERE IS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:40:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL TAKE A SHOT OF THIS.
02:40:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DISCUSSION?
02:40:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, MOTION.
OKAY TO GO.
IF ANYBODY AGREES, YOU CAN ADD IN.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO DENY BASED ON THE FAILURE OF THE
APPLICANT TO PROVE AMONG OTHER THINGS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD GAVE US NUMBERS AND WHETHER THE NUMBERS ARE
EXACTLY RIGHT OR NOT, THEY SAID 90% GREATER THAN 60 FEET.
95% GREATER THAN 55 FEET AND WHETHER SLIGHTLY OFF OR NOT,
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE LOTS ARE -- ARE GREATER THAN THE
PROPOSAL.
THE -- THE PUBLIC ALSO WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL CITING LAND
USE POLICIES TO SAVE TIME.
CITED NONCONFORMITY WITH LAND USE POLICIES 9.5.1, 9.5.2,
9.5.14, 13.2.6, 1.2.28.
1.2.
1.2.3.
1.3, 1.2.16.
1.2.28.
AND ADDITIONAL OTHER COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT
HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE CLERK.
02:41:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
02:41:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:41:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
02:41:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
02:42:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
02:42:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:42:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
02:42:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:42:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
02:42:12PM >>CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH GUDES, VIERA, HURTAK AND CITRO
VOTING NO.
02:42:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT MOTION HAS FAILED.
NOW WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
02:42:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
02:42:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SOMEONE NEEDS TO RE.
02:42:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE TO REOPEN.
02:42:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
02:42:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
02:42:47PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ZAIN AND MISS DOCK, MR. CARLSON HAS CITED A
LOT OF CITATIONS FROM SOME OF THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE
OBJECTING TO THE COVES.
WANT TO FIND OUT -- ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE OR --
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE RIGHT ON THIS.
02:43:11PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES, DO CAN DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE
LAND USE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES.
YES.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I WAS GOING TO MENTION THOSE AND THEN I
SIDE TRACKED AND I DIDN'T GO BACK TO IT.
YOU WILL FIND WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT PROVIDED TO YOU FROM
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE, REMEMBER, THERE WAS A
RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR YOU WITHIN THE STAFF
REPORT.
THERE ARE MANY LAND USE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES, LAND USE
OBJECTIVE 9.5, 9.5.1, 9.5.3, WHICH ALL SUPPORT THE
CONSISTENCY OF THE REQUEST.
WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT DENSITY AND CHARACTER, IT PROVIDES
THE SAME DENSITY AS THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT IS
PROPOSED ON THE LOTS.
BUT ALSO INCLUDED WAS NEIGHBORHOOD, ANY OBJECTIVE 173,
1.3.10 AND HOUSE OBJECTIVE 1.3, HOUSING 1.3.1.
1.3.3.
1.3.4.
THOSE ARE PROVIDED.
02:44:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE REASON I ASKED THAT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC
GAVE NUMBERS AND STATUTES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN LINE, THE POLICIES ARE
RIGHT.
02:44:26PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
ABSOLUTELY.
02:44:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I STAND BY NEIGHBORHOODS BUT SOMETIMES YOU
HAVE A BORDERLINE SITUATION AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE
FAIR SOMETIMES ON BOTH SIDES.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CODES ARE CORRECT FROM WHAT THE
PUBLIC IS DISPUTING AND MAKING SURE WE ARE ON TASK WITH
THAT.
02:44:44PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES.
WE HAVE IT DOCUMENTED AND WITHIN THE REPORT PROVIDED.
02:44:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
02:44:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:44:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS IT NOT TRUE THAT THESE POLICIES ARE SO
VAGUE THAT THE PUBLIC IS RIGHT IN POTENTIALLY AND THE
APPLICANT IS ALSO RIGHT THAT YOU COULD READ THESE EITHER WAY
THE WAY THEY ARE WRITTEN?
02:45:05PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:45:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEEMS OBVIOUS IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE BECAUSE
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE SMALL
LOTS LIKE THIS.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY -- I READ THE REPORT, BUT I DON'T THINK
ANYBODY CAN LEGITIMATELY SAYS IT COMPATIBLE WHEN THIS IS NOT
LIKE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:45:25PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
I MEAN EACH POLICY IN OBJECTIVE COULD BE
ANALYZED ON ITS OWN AND COULD BE EVALUATED DIFFERENTLY BY
SOMEONE THAT READS THAT OBJECTIVE AND DEPENDS ON HOW YOU
WANT TO UTILIZE IT.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN OBJECTIVE AND POLICY SPEAKS TO LOW DENSITY,
SINGLE FAMILY AREAS AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SINGLE
FAMILY.
THAT POLICY MAY APPLY TO WHAT IS REQUESTED.
BUT, YES, THERE ARE OTHER POLICIES -- SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO
INTERRUPT.
02:45:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LEGAL MAY SHUT ME DOWN.
I WILL SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES, AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT
WANT DENSITY.
AND WE NEED DENSITY.
BUT AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT DON'T WANT DENSITY.
AND IF YOU -- IF YOU CHANGE THE COMPATIBILITY OF A
NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE WAY THE CHARACTER
OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW AND NEIGHBORS INTERACT WITH EACH
OTHER.
IT IS -- IT IS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT.
02:46:30PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:46:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
02:47:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING REZONING PROPERTY 4111 WEST SAN CARLOS IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED ZONING RS-75
TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:47:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
02:47:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:47:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN'T SAY THAT THIS ISN'T A DIFFICULT VOTE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP SOME PRETTY VALID POINTS.
ABOUT POSSIBLY WHAT HAPPENS IF PEOPLE BUY TWO DOTS AND
DIVIDE THEM AND HOW ALL OF THAT CHANGES.
BUT THIS IS REALLY A LOT-BY-LOT DECISION.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT MAKES ALL OF THESE DECISIONS DIFFICULT
FOR US.
AND THIS IS NO EXCEPTION.
I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US WANT TO OPEN THE FLOODGATES TO
REZONINGS OR LOT SPLITS IN AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, YEAH -- THIS ONE -- THIS ONE IS DIFFICULT.
02:48:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS?
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:49:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
02:49:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO SAY NO.
02:49:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
02:49:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GOING TO GO SAY YES.
02:49:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:49:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
02:49:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
02:49:26PM >>CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA AND HURTAK AND
MANISCALCO --
02:49:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I.
I WILL STATE MY PEACE AND I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL
SAY IT AGAIN.
WHEN I LOOK AT THIS REPORT, WE HAVE WHAT I CALL A CLEAN
STAFF REPORT.
THE EVIDENCE THAT WE CAN RELY ON THAT WE WERE GIVEN.
I AGREE WITH THE -- WHEN I SAY I AGREE WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I ALWAYS SAY THE LEGS ON THE STOOL I HAVE TO SUPPORT IT, I
DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE AT THIS TIME, RIGHT, SUFFICIENT FOR
ANY ADVERSE DEIN THAT REGARD AND I SAY THAT WITH HESITATION
AND REGRET.
THAT IS HOW I SEE THIS DECISION, BUT IF COUNCILMEMBERS
FURTHER DISAGREE, LET'S -- LET'S HAVE A TALK BECAUSE
OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE -- I THINK WE ARE ALL ANGUISHED ON
THIS, BUT WE COME FROM IT AND GOING DIFFERENT WAYS.
IF THIS WAS AN ELECTION, 52-48.
I THINK IN ALL OF OUR MINDS, IN ALL OF OUR OPINIONS.
02:50:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE -- WE CAN'T LOOK AT THIS AS A
CITY POLICY.
IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD-BY-NEIGHBORHOOD APPLICATION OF IT.
BECAUSE THE -- THE LAND USE POLICIES OVERWHELMINGLY TALK
ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND THESE SPLITS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE AT
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EACH NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNIQUE AND SPECIAL AND YOU START TO
CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT CHANGES OPINION YOU ALL KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE USED
AS PRECEDENT WHEN THEY COME BACK IN FRONT OF US.
THE EXAMPLE THAT EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT OF TWO LOTS THAT
TURNED INTO THREE HOUSES.
THAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE PASS IT.
JUST ON THE SURFACE, IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
WE CAN LOOK AT THE MAPS AND SEE IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
02:51:06PM >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION --
02:51:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
YOU WANT TO GO OR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:51:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA.
I THINK THAT STAFF HAS PROVIDED CLEAR TESTIMONY, BUT I ALSO
AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.
AND MY BIG FEAR IS PEOPLE BUYING TWO LOTS, TWO 75-FOOT LOTS
AND WANTING TO DIVIDE THEM INTO THREE 50-FOOT LOTS.
BECAUSE THAT DOES CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF IN NEIGHBORHOOD.
I -- YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE WITH STAFF.
I -- I AM JUST REALLY -- THIS IS A SET NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IN ONE CASE, THIS WOULD BE FINE.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WHOLE -- THE PRECEDENT SETTING MAKES
IT VERY DIFFICULT.
02:52:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:52:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I HAVE A QUESTION.
AND WE HAVE --
02:52:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE TO REOPEN.
02:52:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY MOVE TO REOPEN.
02:52:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
02:52:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
02:52:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
THAT IS A RELEVANT POINT THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT UP
WHICH IS THE ISSUE OF PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE DECISIONS,
RELIANCE.
TO LEGAL, IF YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER.
IF YOU ALL CAN ANSWER IT.
HOW -- HOW BINDING OR RELEVANT WOULD THIS BE FOR FUTURE LOT
SPLITS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT AN APPLICANT CAN RELY UPON
TO FURTHER GO DOWN THIS ROUTE OR BEAR NO RELEVANCY
WHATSOEVER ON STAFF'S DECISION ON OKAYING A PROJECT.
IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT.
02:52:56PM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS FOR THE RECORDS.
I WOULD ASK WHEN COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION TODAY, YOU LOOK AT
THIS SPECIFIC LOT AND THE CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS
IT EXISTS TODAY AND NOT MAKE A DECISION SPACED ON
SPECULATION ABOUT WHAT MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE HEARD ON BOTH SIDES AS TO THEIR ARGUMENTS
WHY THEY BELIEVE THE APPLICATION IS OR IS NOT CONSISTENT
WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ULTIMATELY THIS CITY COUNCIL GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER THE
APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE.
BUT I -- I -- RATHER THAN LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD AS TO WHAT
MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN, I WILL ASK COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION
TODAY BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT EXISTS TODAY.
THE COULD HE HAD THAT EXISTS TODAY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
02:53:51PM >> IF I CAN INQUIRE AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE CAN'T USE THIS TO
SPECULATE INTO THE FUTURE AND IT WILL BE IMPROPER FOR US TO
RELY ON THAT WHAT YOU AS SPECULATION.
02:54:09PM >>CATE WELLS:
LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE IS CONDITIONS THAT EXIST
TODAY NOT SPECULATE WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THE
FUTURE.
02:54:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
FOR THE PUBLIC I INQUIRE ON THE ISSUE BECAUSE I LIKE TO WHAT
I CALL THE EQUALS TO THIS.
IF COUNCIL DECIDES ONE DAY AND MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY AND IT
COMES BACK TO WHAT I SAUL THE SEQUEL, IT NEVER SITS RIGHT
WITH ME IF WE ARE MAKING -- IF WE ARE WRITING A POLITICAL
CHECK THAT ULTIMATELY WE CAN'T CASH.
IF WE CAN CASH IT, GREAT.
LET'S CASH IT.
IT JUST -- AS I SEE IT.
AS I INTERPRET IT.
SPEAKING FOR MYSELF WITH NO RELEVANCY TO ANYBODY ELSE UP
HERE.
THAT WAY I SEE THINGS AND THAT'S WHY I ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
02:54:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:55:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JUST ONE OF THOSE.
I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE PETITIONER IS FOLLOWING GO
BACK AND MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME
KIND OF COMPROMISE OR RESOLVE.
FOR SOMEBODY TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY BECAUSE YOU SEE
WE HAD A NO GO ON BOTH ENDS.
SO MAYBE -- MAYBE BY THE TIME WE HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION,
MAYBE THE PETITIONER MIGHT CONSIDER MEETING WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN TO SEE HOW THEY CAN RESOLVE THIS, IF
POSSIBLE.
COUNSELOR.
I THINK THE --
02:55:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, CAN WE HAVE
DISCUSSION FIRST AND THEN GO BACK.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:55:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM AWED.
WE TOOK A VOTE AND 4-3.
TOOK ANOTHER VOTE AND IT WAS IT SAME OR DIFFERENT.
02:56:01PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BOTH MOTIONS FAILED.
02:56:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BOTH MOTION FAILED.
02:56:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DID I MISVOTE OR SOMETHING?
LOOKING FOR THE 8th VOTE.
02:56:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE VOTE CHANGED.
02:56:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE WE STILL IN DISCUSSION HERE.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:56:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THIS OUT.
WE HEARD THIS FOUR TIMES.
02:56:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN I --
02:56:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND I WILL LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AFTER
WE ARE ALL FINISHED.
02:56:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EVERYBODY DONE WITH DISCUSSION?
YEAH, BUT -- THANK YOU.
I WANT TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE IS A LOT OF IFS IN LAND USE
CHANGES.
NORMALLY WHAT WE ARE HEARING ABOUT IS THE OF THAT CERTAIN
PLOT OR TRACT.
FOR YEARS I HAVE BEEN HEARING SOUTH TAMPA COMPLAINING ABOUT
McMANSIONS BEING BUILT.
AND THESE NICE SMALL SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS.
THIS LOT THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING NOW IS A LARGE LOT IN SOUTH
TAMPA IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE TO SEE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY
HOMES THERE.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THIS LOT WOULD BE A HUGE Mc MANSION.
I AM GIVING YOU THE REASON WHY I VOTED THE WAY I DID.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:57:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
02:57:57PM >> SECOND.
02:57:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
02:58:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAKE A MOTION TO DENY REZ 22-24.
PROTECT LOW DENSITY AREAS PROTECTED OF CHILDREN AND OWES
RESIDENTS.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO AND MOVING FORWARD
WILL VIOLATE THAT.
9.5.2.
MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
CHARACTER OF SINGLE-FAMILY INCLUDE DENSITY CHARACTERISTICS.
OKAY.
WE ALSO HAVE LAND USE POLICY 13.2.6, A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF
THE COMMUNITY DESIRED CHARACTERS SHALL BE CONSIDERED AND WE
HEARD SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC COMMENT OF HOW PEOPLE,
RESIDENTS WHO ARE AFFECTED FEEL ABOUT THAT.
LAND USE 1.2, TO RESPECT TAMPA'S NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND
SENSE OF COMMUNITY, IDENTITY, AS THE CITY CHANGES AND
EVOLVES.
WE TAKE THIS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND LOOKING AT THIS LOT
AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTS.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.3 SAYS RELATE NEW BUILDINGS AND
DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE
COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THAT.
LAND USE POLY1.2.5 TO ENCOURAGE POSITIVE CHANGE WHILE
PROTECTING TAMPA'S TRADITIONAL CHARACTER.
WE ARE PROTECTING THE TRADITIONAL CHARACTER OF THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD BY DENYING THIS.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.10.
ENSURE THAT REDEVELOPMENT, DESIGN AND NEIGHBORHOODS ENHANCES
THEIR DISTINCTIVE NATURAL HISTORIC CHARACTERISTICS.
THIS DOES NOT DO THAT.
SO THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF POLICY 1.2.10.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IT.
02:59:56PM >> SECOND.
02:59:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I BELIEVE THAT IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH WITH
VERY SPECIFIC IN THIS DENIAL.
03:00:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:00:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
03:00:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
03:00:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
03:00:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
03:00:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
03:00:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
03:00:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
03:00:25PM >>CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH HURTAK, GUDES, VIERA AND CITRO
VOTING NO.
03:00:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:00:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER REZ-22-24, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN
THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4111 WEST SAN CARLOS STREET IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 AS ZONING CLASSIFICATION RS-75 RESIDENTIAL FAMILY
TO PD SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE
BASED ON EVIDENCE FROM THE -- FROM STAFF REPORTS.
03:01:05PM >> SECOND.
03:01:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:01:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
03:01:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
03:01:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
03:01:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
03:01:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
03:01:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
03:01:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
03:01:25PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED -- MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON,
MANISCALCO, AND MIRANDA VOTING NO.
03:01:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SHALL WE TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS, PLEASE.
03:01:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS AND GET STAFF BACK
TO WORK.
AND I TELL YOU -- EXCUSE ME.
I PROMISE YOU THAT THE REST OF THE AGENDA WILL RUN SMOOTHLY.
THANK YOU.
WE ARE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
03:15:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I HAD TALKED TO NICOLE OF
CONTINUING NUMBER 8.
AND I TALKED CAN TO MISS ZELMAN OF CONTINUING NUMBER 10.
NUMBER 8, THE FIRE CHIEF IS STILL DETERMINING WHAT HER NEEDS
ARE BEFORE WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT THIS ZONED SOMETHING
ELSE.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT CONTINUING THIS.
SORRY I DIDN'T LOOK AT DATES.
03:16:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE YOU ARE, MISS TRAVIS.
ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT?
YES, YOU ARE.
YOU ARE MUTED.
THE KEY UP WITH ME, EVERYBODY.
NEW TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE HERE.
03:16:28PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I WENT BACK TO MY OFFICE.
03:16:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO YOU CONCUR ON THIS?
03:16:33PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YES, I DO.
03:16:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAY I HAVE A MOTION.
03:16:36PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
A DATE AND TIME.
03:16:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS NOVEMBER 3 OKAY?
03:16:41PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I AM NOT SURE IF CHIEF TRIPP.
WE CAN DO NOVEMBER 3.
IF WE CAN'T MAKE THAT IF THE ANALYSIS IS NOT COMPLETE, WE
WILL UPDATE YOU.
03:16:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS
CONCERNED WHAT IT MIGHT BE USED FOR.
I THINK FIRE STATION WILL BE GREAT.
BUT IF IT IS NOT USED FOR A FIRE STATION, THEY HAVE OTHER
IDEAS THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL NOVEMBER 3.
03:17:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CHARLESTON -- CHIEF, I DID NOT
SEE YOU THERE.
03:17:11PM >> I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE BUTTON.
NOVEMBER 3 WILL BE A BAD DAY FOR ME BUT I WILL HAVE SOMEONE
IN THE PLACE IF THAT IS THE FINAL DECISION.
03:17:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW ABOUT DECEMBER 1.
03:17:23PM >> THAT IS BETTER, THANK YOU.
03:17:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL NOVEMBER
1.
03:17:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT TIME, 10:30.
03:17:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
03:17:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM?
03:17:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NUMBER 10.
I TALKED TO MISS ZELMAN WHO WOULD JUST LIKE MORE TIME.
SHE AND I ARE DISCUSSING IDEAS.
IF YOU HAVE IDEAS, TALK TO HER ABOUT IT.
03:17:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL.
03:17:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE MOVE IT TO NOVEMBER 3.
WHEN DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IT TOO.
THIS IS NOVEMBER 10.
03:18:00PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
SORRY, ANDREA ZELMAN.
YOU HAVE A WORKSHOP AT THE END OF OCTOBER AND KEEPING WITH
THAT THEME OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, I ANY IT WILL
MAKE SENSE TO ADD IT TO THAT WORKSHOP AGENDA.
03:18:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOVEMBER --
03:18:22PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T TALK IN BETWEEN.
03:18:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONTINUE CMU.
WOULD LIKE TO COVER FOR THE WORKSHOP.
03:18:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU.
NUMBER 9.
WHERE IS VIERA, HE WOULD HAVE SAID A BEATLES SONG.
03:18:58PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
GOOD AFTERNOON, BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY
ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS IS A QUARTERLY REPORT FOR STORMWATER.
BUT I UNDERSTOOD COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK PULLED IT FOR
DISCUSSION ON SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENT I ASK IF I COULD MAKE A FEW COMMENTS TO PUT IT
INTO PERSPECTIVE BEFORE WE GET INTO A DISCUSSION, I WOULD
APPRECIATE THAT, IF THAT IS OKAY WITH CHAIR.
03:19:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SURE, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
03:19:36PM >> I HAVE HEARD THE COMMENTS THIS MORNING.
AND I HAVE READ READ THE WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE THAT HAS
BEEN SENT IN THROUGHOUT.
I HAVE BEEN OUT ON THE PROJECT SEVERAL TIMES.
AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO ENDEAVOR TO RESOLVE ANY ISSUE AS
FAST AS WE CAN.
WE KEEP A LOG ON THAT TO TRY TO RESOLVE THOSE.
JUST IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF AUGUST, WE HAD THREE PAGES
WORTH OF ISSUES THAT WE HAVE PROBABLY RESOLVED OVER 80%.
SO THAT GIVES AN IDEA.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP
THIS MORNING.
AS QUICK AS I CAN.
COMMUNICATIONS.
WE HAVE HAD -- WE HAVE RETAINED A FIRM BY THE NAME OF
DIALOGUE.
THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE.
I HAVE WORKED WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THAT COMPANY FOR OVER 25
YEARS.
SHE IS USED BY SEVERAL UTILITIES INCLUDING TAMPA BAY WATER
AND HAS PERFORMED ADMIRABLY.
SHE HAS PUT IN PLACE A PRETTY ROBUST COMMUNICATION SYSTEM,
INCLUDING WEB ALERTS ALMOST DAILY.
AND, OF COURSE, THE WEB PAGE IS KEPT UP TO DATE.
161 PEOPLE HAVE OPTED INTO THE WEB ALERTS, AND THE WEB SITE
IS FREQUENTED OR VISITED QUITE A BIT.
VERY FREQUENTLY.
I WOULD ASK ONE THING IN THE COMMUNICATIONS.
WE SEEMED TO HAVE HAD SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH SOME OF THE
RESIDENTS COMING UP TO THE WORKERS AND GETTING THE PROPER
INFORMATION.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO DO A BETTER JOB OF IDENTIFYING THE
INSPECTOR THAT ARE ON-SITE SO THE RESIDENTS CAN GET THE
PROPER INFORMATION.
THEY DO WEAR CITY UNIFORMS AND VESTS AND A HARD HAT.
AND WE DO HAVE TWO FULL-TIME INSPECTORS ON THIS JOB WHICH IS
UNUSUAL.
HOWEVER, IT IS A RATHER LARGE JOB.
WITH REGARD TO IT THE TRASH, WE HEAR THE RESIDENTS LOUD AND
CLEAR.
THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
AND SO THE CONTRACTOR IS PROVIDING TRASH BAGS OUT.
YOU KNOW ON VARIOUS PARTS OF THE PROJECT AND FAIRLY SPREAD
OUT TO TRY TO GET THE PROJECT DONE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE -- NELSON HAS SOMEONE WALKING
THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND PICKING UP ANY CRASH THAT IS NOT PUT
IN THE BAGS DURING THE DAY.
AND THEN THEY ARE TAKING PICTURES TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW,
THAT WHEN IT IS CLEANED UP THAT THE TRASH DIDN'T COME FROM
SOMEWHERE ELSE OR -- I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BRING THIS UP,
BUT WE EVEN HAD A CASE WHERE WE WITNESSED ONE OF THE
RESIDENTS DUMPING OUT THE TRASH BAG ON HER FRONT LAWN AND
TAKING A PICTURE AND PUTTING THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND WE HAD SOME OTHER ISSUES WITH THAT RESIDENT.
THEN NUMBER 4, I WANTED TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT OF
THIS MAGNITUDE, WHAT YOU CAN RUN INTO.
IT'S A THREE-YEAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
AND -- OF MAJOR CONSTRUCTION.
THE DOWN STREAM END IS A 5 X 8 BOX THAT YOU CAN WALK
THROUGH.
VERY TIGHT STREETS IN THAT AREA AS SEVERAL OF YOU KNOW.
SO WE -- THAT FIRST PART ON CREST AVENUE WE ARE BEHIND ON
THAT.
AND WE ARE OVERALL AHEAD OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WHICH
IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETE IN NOVEMBER OF 2024.
BUT ON CREST, UNFORTUNATELY, WE RAN INTO WAY MORE UNSUITABLE
FILL THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD.
WE HAD COUPLE OF SECTIONS OF THAT BOX COLOR THAT -- I WON'T
SAY DEFECTIVE, BUT WE REJECTED THEM AND THEY HAD TO BE
CORRECTED.
AND THEN WE HAD SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES LIKE WE HAVE ON EVERY
PROJECT.
SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PROJECT WAS SAND AND CONCRETE SHORTAGE
THAT IMPACTED SCHEDULE OF THE FIRST PART OF CREST AVENUE.
RIGHT NOW, I DID TALK TO THE PRESIDENT THIS MORNING AT
LENGTH.
AND ON CREST, I ASKED HIM IF I COULD MOVE UP THE
RESTORATION, BECAUSE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP
NOT ONLY THIS MORNING BUT IN SOME E-MAILS THAT WE -- WE
WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME RESTORATION DONE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO
THE WORK.
AND SO I ASKED JEFF NELSON, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT, IF WE
COULD MOVE THAT -- YOU KNOW, MOVE THAT UP ON CREST AND GIVE
THEM SOME RELIEF THERE.
AND -- AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN WITH ONE BIG IF.
WE HAVE TWO GRAND TREES THAT AT FIRST WE THOUGHT WE COULD
SAVE, BUT WE -- WE NOW NEED TO REMOVE THEM.
SO WE HAVE PUT IN A PERMIT APPLICATION TO REMOVE THOSE TWO
TREES, AND ONCE THEY ARE REMOVED, WE CAN DO THE RESTORATION
ON CREST AND CATCH UP TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE PUTTING IN
THAT BOX CULVERT.
AND THEN I DID WANT -- THE OUTFALL KEEPS COMING UP.
AND I AM ALMOST FINISHED -- ALMOST FINISHED.
THE OUTFALL.
IF I CAN USE THE ELMO.
SO -- THE OUTFALL STRUCTURE -- YOU KNOW WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT NO TRASH GETS INTO THE RIVER, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS
LARGE OF A SYSTEM THAT WILL CARRY 60 TO 85 MILLION GALLONS A
DAY.
THAT IS BIG FLOW.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BOXES SHOWN THERE ON THE ELMO IS --
IT IS A LARGE STRUCTURE.
AND IT HAS A TRASH REMOVAL SYSTEM AS PART OF IT.
IT IS ALSO A BAFFLE BOX TO REMOVE SOME OF THE NUTRIENTS AND
FILTRATION THAT GETS INTO THE SYSTEM.
THAT IS A RATHER LARGE OUTFALL STRUCTURE AS YOU SAW THIS
MORNING.
WE WILL BE BRINGING THE GRADE UP TO IT THE EDGES SO THAT
WILL NOT BE STICKING TWO FEET ABOVE.
AND THE DESIGN TEAM RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING INTO LANDSCAPING TO
TRY TO SOFTEN -- YOU KNOW, THAT AREA AROUND THERE.
WE WILL HAVE TO KEEP ONE SIDE OPEN FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES,
BUT I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT BETTER THAN JUST PUTTING GRASS
THERE.
AND LET'S SEE.
LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE WORKED WITH NELSON
CONSTRUCTION FOR DECADES.
AND EVERY PROJECT THEY HAVE DONE HAS BEEN EXCELLENT.
THEY ARE ONE OF OUR TOP CONTRACTORS.
THEY PERFORMED THE 34th STREET IMPROVEMENTS RECENTLY.
THEY DID THE LAST LEG OF THE RIVERWALK.
BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE -- WERE JUST -- ENDED UP WITH A
HIGH QUALITY -- YOU KNOW, HIGH QUALITY WORK.
THEY HAVE DONE THE BALUSTRADE WORK.
AND MANY OTHER PROJECTS THROUGH THE YEARS.
WE HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH OUR QUALITY OF WORK.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL END THERE AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS.
03:27:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:27:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY RESTORATION.
03:27:24PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I AM SORRY.
03:27:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU TALK RESTORATION OF.
03:27:31PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
RESTORATION OF THE ROADWAY.
03:27:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU MEAN EXPAND IT MORE.
03:27:35PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NO, THE PAVEMENT.
03:27:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMETIMES THE TERMINOLOGY.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE, BUT I -- I WILL BE HONEST, IT
IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HEARD BEFORE FROM THE CITY AT SEVERAL
DIFFERENT MEETINGS I HAVE BEEN AT.
AND IN CONTRAST, I WAS JUST AT TAMPA HEIGHTS MEET WITH FDOT,
AND IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY AND FDOT, HOW
CONTENTIOUS THOSE ARE, AND THEY CAN SAY NOTHING BUT NICE
THINGS ABOUT THE -- ABOUT HOW FDOT IS -- TREATING THE
RESIDENTS AND CLEANING UP AFTER THEMSELVES.
IF I CAN PRAISE FDOT OVER WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE CITY,
THERE IS NOT GOOD.
FDOT HAS LEARNED FROM ITS WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS.
AND WHILE NELSON MAY BE EXCELLENT AT WHAT THEY DO
CONSTRUCTION WISE, WE NEED AN IMPROVEMENT WITH THE SOFT
TOUCH BASICALLY.
WE NEED IMPROVEMENT WITH COMMUNICATION.
WE NEED IMPROVEMENT WITH TRASH.
WE NEED TO START SEEING THOSE BECAUSE WE KEEP HEARING THAT
IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
WHILE THEY MAY BE VERY GREAT AT ENGINEERING, WHAT THEY ARE
NOT GOOD AT, EVEN WITH THIS DIALOGUE COMPANY, THEY ARE NOT
DOING WHAT THE RESIDENTS AND THEN -- AS COUNCIL, WE ARE
HEARING ABOUT IT CONSTANTLY.
SO WE DO -- WE DO NEED SOME IMPROVEMENT.
WHILE I HEAR WHAT HIGH TEMPERATURE SAYING, THE RESIDENTS
FEEL LIKE THEY AREN'T GETTING ENOUGH COMMUNICATION OF THINGS
HAPPENING CLOSE TO THEM.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR MORE DOOR HANGERS AND ASKING FOR A MORE
WEEKLY WRAP-UP.
AS YOU SAID A LARGE PROJECTS.
SO EVEN IF IT IS JUST THE SCALE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN
THEIR AREAS, THEY WANT MORE COMMUNICATION AND I FEEL LIKE
THAT IS IN THE GRAND SCHEME SOMETHING VERY CHEAP THAT WE CAN
GIVE THEM.
IF WE ARE OVERCOMMUNICATING, I THINK THAT IS OKAY BECAUSE
THIS GROUP IS THE ONLY VERY FIRST GROUP THAT WILL BE
AFFECTED.
WILL HAVE THIS ELSEWHERE AND I HATE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT
THIS STARTS WITH, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT FOR
THREE MORE YEARS.
WE WOULD LOVE TO SOLVE THIS COMMUNICATION AND TRASH PROBLEM
AND ALL THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SUPPLY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT IS -- IS
-- IS HOLDING EVERYONE UP.
THAT IS COMPLETELY REASONABLE BUT ALLOWING THE RESIDENTS
KNOW MORE WHAT IS COMING ON WILL BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
03:30:20PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
TO HAVE DIALOGUE WITH NELSON.
AND HOW CAN WE RAMP UP THIS.
I DON'T CARE IF WE GO DOOR TO DOOR.
AND WE HAVE DONE THAT.
WE HAVE DONE THAT.
WE NEED TO DO BETTER IN THAT AREA.
I AGREE.
03:30:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:30:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW MY DISTRICT HAD SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF STORMWATER
PROJECTS BEFORE THIS WAS IN THE WEST SHORE AREA AND ESTRELLA
AND WHAT NOT AND KIMMONS ON THAT PROJECT WHO WERE AND HAVE
BEEN WONDERFUL.
UP CALL JOHN, THE PROJECT MANAGER, THE BOSS OVER THERE,
ALWAYS AN END AND HAULS A RESPONSE AND SOLUTION AND ROUGH
FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.
I CAN SHOW YOU ALL THE PICTURES OF MYSELF GOING DOWN THERE
SEEING WHAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH AND GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE
WISE COMPARED TO THIS, AND THIS -- IF YOU LOOK AT SOCIAL
MEDIA, IT IS A DAILY OCCURRENCE.
THE FOLKS ON CREST AND THROUGHOUT THAT AREA, WE HAVE ALREADY
MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK -- I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR GOING T
FLORIDA AVENUE TO THE BUSINESSES THERE.
BUT THE SHUTDOWN -- THE COMPLAINTS I AM GETTING THAT THE
TRUCKS ON-SITE ARE BLOCKING THE BUSINESSES.
AND THE -- YOU KNOW THEY ARE PARKED IN FRONT -- THE ROAD IS
SHUT DOWN, SO THEY ARE PARKING WHEREVER THEY BEEN AT.
BUT THESE FOLKS ARE SUFFERING.
YOU KNOW THE FINANCIAL HIT THAT THEY ARE TAKING.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT IS.
YOU LOSE A WEEK OF BUSINESS, IT CAN BE CATASTROPHIC.
THESE FOLKS ARE DEALING WITH IT FOR WEEKS ON A MAJOR
THOROUGHFARE CLOSURE.
AND OTHER THAN THAT I TRY TO BE RESPONSIVE WITH TRASH
EVERYWHERE.
ONE WORKER GOT INTO A FIGHT THERE ON CREST AND WAS TAKEN OFF
THE JOB.
I NEVER HAD THAT FROM KIMMONS.
MAYBE THEY JUST GOT LUCKY AND THAT WAS A MAJOR PRODUCT, BUT
THIS IS BRUTAL DAY IN OR DAY OUT.
WE NEED TO DO BETTER AND NEED TO OFFER THEM ANSWERS.
BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING COMPLAINTS EVERY FEW HOURS.
NOT DAILY, SOMETHING NEW, MORNING AND NIGHT SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
AND THE FOLKS THERE DESERVE BETTER.
03:32:45PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THANK.
03:32:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE.
03:32:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MORE THING.
03:32:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:32:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU COME BACK NEXT WEEK
AND REPORT ON WHAT YOU ARE ABLE TO DO.
WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TIME BUT MAYBE AT THE BEGINNING OF
EVENING SESSION.
03:33:01PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BEGINNING OF WHAT?
03:33:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EVENING SESSION ON THE 8th.
IS THAT POSSIBLE?
CAN WE DO THAT?
I AM JUST ASKING IF IT IS ALLOWED.
I DON'T FEEL WE CAN WAIT TWO WEEKS FOR THIS.
03:33:14PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE NORMALLY DON'T DO STAFF REPORTS IN THE
EVENING.
I GUESS YOU CAN WAIVE YOUR RULES TO HAVE ONE.
BUT TYPICALLY STAFF REPORTS ARE RESERVED FOR THE MORNING
AGENDA.
03:33:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FIVE MINUTES.
03:33:29PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
CAN I REQUEST FOR TWO WEEKS FOR THAT, PLEASE.
03:33:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY CONCERN FOR TWO WEEKS, IS THIS
BUSINESS -- THE BUSINESS ISSUE IS SUPPOSED TO BE OVER THIS
THREE WEEKS.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY CAN AFFORD TWO MORE WEEKS OF TRUCKS
SITTING AND BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE TO THEIR BUSINESSES BUT I
WILL YIELD TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO ON THAT POINT.
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
03:33:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I KNOW IT IS NOT TYPICAL PROTOCOL FOR
YOU TO COME AT 5:01 P.M., BUT CONSIDERING THE SENSITIVITY
WITH THE TIME.
THESE FOLKS ARE HURT ON A DAILY BASIS.
WE CAN ONLY GO OUT THERE AND BUY SO MUCH SPATTY'S COFFEE
PROMOTE THEM AND ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
THE REVENUE THEY ARE LOSING AND HOW THEY ARE EFFECTED.
I EXPECT IMAGINE.
THESE BUSINESSES THAT SURVIVED THROUGH COVID AND SOME OF THE
WORST, AND THEY JUST KEEP GETTING HIT OVER AND OVER SO I
KNOW IT IS NOT TYPICAL, BUT -- IF YOU ARE HERE AT 5:00 NEXT
THURSDAY, JUST FIVE-MINUTE UPDATE.
I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:34:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT I WILL DO.
03:34:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I ADD, RESIDENTS BETWEEN FLORIDA AND
HIGHLANDS WHERE THEIR ACCESS TO THEIR HOME IS BEING BLOCKED
WHEEL PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THEIR KIDS AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH
SCHOOL.
I AM TALKING TO CHIEF O'CONNOR.
SHE IS WORK ON IT.
BUT IF YOU CAN MAYBE GET ANOTHER TPD PERSONNEL TO MAKE SURE
THAT LINE IS MOVING QUICKLY BECAUSE WE KNOW CARS SHOULD NOT
BE STANDING THERE.
PLEASE, AND THANK YOU.
03:35:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
UNDERSTOOD.
03:35:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:35:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THANK YOU.
03:35:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH AGENDA NUMBER 9.
AGENDA ITEM 11.
03:35:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
11 AND 12 HAVE BEEN CONTINUED.
03:35:53PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MEMO FROM MISS ZELMAN AND ME REGARDING
THAT.
IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM TODAY.
WE DID NOT WANT TO HOLD IT UP.
IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT MAYBE TO THE 15 WHEN MR. SHELBY
WILL BE RETURNING, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR YOU
ALL TO CONSIDER.
03:36:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD RATHER CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE
15th WHEN MR. SHELBY IS PRESENT WHEN ALL PARTIES ARE HERE
UNDER STAFF REPORT.
03:36:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
13 ITEM NUMBER E2021-8, CHAPTER 18.
03:36:40PM >> DEPUTY CHIEF FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AUGUST 4, YOU HAD A PRESENTATION OF BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND
YOU WANTED US TO GO BACK AND CHECK IF THE COMPANY AXON CAN
ADD THAT TO THE CATALOG OF UPGRADING THEIR SYSTEM.
WE GAVE THEM A CALL ON AUGUST 9
WE WEREN'T THE ONLY POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY TO
RECOMMEND THAT.
THEY ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEIR TECHNOLOGY TO
FIND OUT IF THEY CAN IMPROVE IT.
THEY WOULDN'T GIVE US A TIME WHEN IT WILL BE DONE OR WHAT
THEY COULD DO, BUT WE WILL FOLLOW UP PERIODICALLY TO FIND
WHERE THEY ARE AT AND WHAT STAGE THEY ARE IN.
03:37:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
ADD IT TO -- BECAUSE I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THEY ARE
FOLLOWING LOOK AT IT AND OTHER CITIES ARE ASKING FOR THE
SAME -- HAVING THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE DO.
I THINK THAT -- THAT IS A GOOD SIGN.
SO IF WE CAN -- IF WE CAN MOVE OR IF WE CAN GET JUST MAYBE A
WRITTEN UPDATE IN THREE MONTHS.
03:37:47PM >> THAT'S FINE, YES.
03:37:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY MOVEMENT.
I DON'T WANT IT TO FALL OFF THE RADAR.
DECEMBER 1.
JUST A QUICK WRITTEN UPDATE ON THAT.
03:38:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
03:38:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, WHILE YOU ARE HERE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY PUBLICLY THANK YOU.
I SAW YOU AT AN EVENT, I DON'T KNOW, TWO MONTHS LOOK AND I
HAD A CONSTITUENT ISSUE AND YOU WERE THERE HAVING A GOOD
TIME ENJOYING THE EVENT, BUT YOU WERE VERY RESPONSIVE.
THE RESIDENTS YOU ARE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ARE VERY
GRATEFUL, BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT, NO MATTER WHAT,
YOU WERE THERE.
WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH.
03:38:34PM >> VICE VERSA.
I DEAL WITH A LOT OF Y'ALL ON COMMUNITY ISSUES AND Y'ALL GET
THE LAST-MINUTE REQUEST SOMETIMES LIKE THAT AND YOU DEAL
WITH THE SAME THING.
WHEN YOU ARE UP HERE AND WHEN YOU ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
.THINGS GO BACK TO YOU ALSO.
03:38:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
03:38:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, DID SOMEONE PULL ITEM NUMBER 21?
I DON'T KNOW IF HE WOULD LIKE TO STAY -- I WOULD LIKE TO
PULL THAT TO VOTE SEPARATELY.
AND ALSO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MASSEY.
03:39:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WILL SECOND TO PULL IT.
03:39:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
NOW WE WILL STEP INTO -- OKAY, LET'S HEAR THAT FIRST.
IF WE DO NOT MIND.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, FILE PS 22-7668.
03:39:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR.
03:39:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:39:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS IS ONE WE DIDN'T VOTE ON LAST WEEK,
CORRECT?
03:39:45PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CORRECT.
WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT LAST WEEK.
IT WAS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A REPORT COMING BACK TO YOU I BELIEVE AT
THE END OF OCTOBER ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER -- AND I HAD ASKED YOU AT THE END
OF THE MEETING WHETHER YOU INTENDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
AMENDMENT OR NOT.
AND THE INTENT WAS AND NO VOTE TAKEN.
THAT IS HOW I UNDERSTOOD WHAT HAPPENED AT THE END OF THE
MEETING.
TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, I BELIEVE THIS AMENDMENT IS IN
CONNECTION WITH -- PARTIALLY IN CONNECTION WITH SERVICES
THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN RENDERED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS
PROGRAM.
SO WE ARE CATCHING UP.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH I THINK
IN FAIRLY SHORT ORDER.
03:40:28PM >> HE'S RIGHT, SIR.
THESE ARE FOR SERVICES ALREADY REND DERRS.
THAT IS WHAT THIS VOTE IS FOR.
IN OCTOBER THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION REGARDING SHOT
SPOTTER TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION.
03:40:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:40:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE HEARD -- I HAD PEOPLE IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT, INCLUDING CITY OF TAMPA CALL ME ABOUT THIS.
AND IT -- FROM THE PEOPLE WHO CALLED ME THERE SEEMS TO BE
UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT THAT THIS SERVICE IS NOT EFFECTIVE.
AND IT WAS A -- A SERVICE THAT WE TOOK ON BECAUSE THE -- I
THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GAVE US A GRANT, BUT -- BUT THE
WAY THE NUMBERS ARE PRESENTED BY THE COMPANY, IT LOOKS LIKE
IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE, BUT TALK TOO PEOPLE WHO USE IT SEEMS
TO NOT BE VERY EFFECTIVE.
SO I -- IF YOU ARE SAYING WE ARE ALREADY OBLIGATE THAT THIS
SERVICE HAS ALREADY BEEN RENDERED AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION
TO PAY.
I WILL VOTE FOR IT TODAY BUT NOT VOTE FOR THE RENEWAL OF IT.
WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND WE NEED TOOLS
THAT WORK.
YEAH, THE -- JUST TO CUT THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
THE ISSUE IS THE COMPANY SAYS 90% OF GUNSHOTS ARE NEVER
REPORTED BY 911.
BUT -- BUT THE ACTUAL VIOLENT CRIMES, MY UNDERSTANDING, IS
100% OR CLOSE TO 100% ARE REPORTED BY 911.
AND THE OFFICERS WHO SPOKEN AND GONE OUT TO USE THIS, MOST
OF THE TEAM THEY ARE LOOKING AT SPENT BULLETS ON THE GROUND
AND THIS HE DON'T FIND ANYTHING AND A WASTE OF POLICE
RESOURCES THAT COULD BE USED ON SOMETHING ELSE.
03:42:08PM >> JUST TO ANSWER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU SPOKE TO, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO
FINDING THE ROUNDS ON THE GROUND, THEY ARE AN INTRICATE PART
OF OUR INVESTIGATION, LONG-TERM ON MANY CASES.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM CALLED NIVEN THAT GETS THOSE ROUNDS AND
PAINTS A PICTURE WHETHER IT IS ONE GUN BEING USED FOR A LOT
OF SHOOTINGS OR MULTIPLE GUNS BEING USED IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
EVEN SHOW SHOT SPOTTER IS NOT AN END ALL IT IS A VALUABLE
TOOL.
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE MEDICAL ASPECT OF IT, SHOOTINGS AT
TIME, AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU GO OUT -- NOBODY WAS OUT
THERE BUT SOMEBODY WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL.
03:42:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE THIRD YEAR IN A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT,
CORRECT?
03:42:54PM >> YES.
03:42:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CRIME RATE HAS GOON UP MORE THAN OTHER
CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUR GUN VIOLENCE RATE HAS
GONE UP AND I WOULD ARGUE IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE AND WE NEED TO
SAVE EVERY DOLLAR WE CAN TO SUPPORT OUR FOLKS.
WITHOUT MENTIONING NAMES, CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM THAT THE
PERSON THAT USED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THIS IN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT IS NOW THE -- WORKING FOR THE COMPANY AND IS THE
LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMPANY?
03:43:18PM >> THE PERSON WHO --
03:43:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THIS AWL TPD IS NOW A
REPRESENTATIVE OF SHOT SPOTTER.
03:43:26PM >> WHEN IT COMES TO SHOT SPOTTER AND -- I WAS THE PREVIOUS
MAJOR OF DISTRICT THREE FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS AND USED IN
DISTRICT THREE.
AS FAR AS HOW FOLKS ARE BRINGING TECHNOLOGY --
03:43:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOMEBODY --
03:43:41PM >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CAPTAIN PAUL LALINSY.
HE RETIRED.
03:43:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE WAS WORK WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY AND WENT TO
WORK FOR SHOT SPOTTER.
03:43:53PM >> YOU SAY WORK WITH TECHNOLOGY.
WE HAVE OTHER COMPANIES THAT BRING TECHNOLOGY TO THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND OTHER AGENCIES.
HE DID RETIRE BACK IN JANUARY, I BELIEVE.
BUT THERE IS -- I HAVE NO CONTROL HOW WORK FOR NEXT.
03:44:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T LIKE THESE ANSWERS.
03:44:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE MOVE FORWARD.
DOES THAT SATISFY ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBER.
03:44:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I SAY.
03:44:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:44:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO I NOTE -- WE WILL HAVE A REPORT ON THIS IN A COUPLE O
MONTHS, CORRECT?
03:44:24PM >> YES.
03:44:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, SO I MEAN -- WHETHER SOMETHING IS -- HOW
SHALL I SAY THIS.
I GIVE SOME LEVEL OF DEFERENCE, IF YOU WILL, TO POLICE
PROFESSIONALS HOW EFFECTIVE SOMETHING IS.
IF THERE IS A NEGATIVE EFFECT POTENTIALLY ON CIVIL
LIBERTIES, ADDITIONAL ISSUE THAT WARRANTS ADDITIONAL
SCRUTINY THAT WE CAN LOOK FOR IN OCTOBER.
LET ME ASK YOU IF I MAY, IN OCTOBER WHEN I THINK THIS IS
COMING TOWARD RUSS, IF WE FIND OUT THERE IS AN ADVERSE
EFFECT ON CIVIL LIBERTIES, CAN THIS PROGRAM BE PUSHED BACK
OR PULLED BACK AT THE TIME.
03:45:06PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I BELIEVE BE THIS NEWCOMB WILL BE ABLE TO
PROVIDE THAT.
03:45:13PM >> MEGAN NEWCOMB, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
I REVIEWED THE CONTRACT.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY -- A TWO-YEAR -- AND THAT WAS ENTERED --
AND IN DECEMBER OF 2018, IT WAS SIGNS AND WENT THROUGH BY
RESOLUTION.
THE PROGRAM ACTUALLY WAS IMPLEMENTED IN JUNE OF 2018.
THE CONTRACT WAS FOR TWO YEARS WITH AN OPTION TO RENEW FOR
TWO ADDITIONAL YEARS AT ONE YEAR EACH.
SO IT HAS BEEN RENEWED.
WE DID THE ORIGINAL TWO YEARS AND IT WAS RENEWED IN 2021.
IN JUNE OF 2021 THROUGH JUNE OF 2022.
WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS FOR YOU ALL TO VOTE ON IS THE SECOND
ONE-YEAR RENEWAL THAT WOULD RUN FROM JUNE OF THIS YEAR TO
JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
SO TALKING ABOUT -- THE PROGRAM IS BEING ACTIVE.
SO WE ARE GETTING THE SERVICES OF SHOT SPOTTER EVEN THOUGH
THE CONTRACT ESSENTIALLY EXPIRED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS FOR YOU TO VOTE ON WHETHER TO
CONTINUE IT FROM JUNE OF 2022 TO JUNE OF 2023.
TO ANSWER HE THINKS IT WAS YOU COUNCILMAN VIERA, IN OCTOBER.
COULDN'T CANCEL THE CONTRACT.
IF YOU WANTED TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO VOTE
ON THAT TODAY AND THEN ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE SERVICES WE
HAVE RECEIVED IN EXCESS THAT WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY YET TO PAY
FOR.
BUT THIS IS THE LAST CONTRACTUAL OPPORTUNITY TO RENEW IT.
AND THEN IN JUNE OF 2023, THERE WILL BE A DECISION MADE
INITIALLY BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHETHER WE WANT TO
CONTINUE WITH IT AND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE
COUNCIL.
03:46:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.
03:46:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:46:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE PROGRAM.
IT HAS SOME BENEFITS TO IT.
I DON'T THINK IT VIOLATES ANY CIVIL LIBERTIES, MR. VIERA.
SHOTS FEARED.
THE SYSTEM GOES OFF AND PINPOINTS THE AREA -- I THINK THE
NEXT TEAM THEY COME A DEMONSTRATION OF HOW THE PROGRAM WORKS
WILL HELP THE COUNCILMEMBERS TO KNOW WHAT IT DOES AND ITS
EFFECTIVENESS.
AS FAR AS TO -- WHAT MR. CARLSON -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS
GOING TO ASK.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A VERY FUNNY PLACE.
AND I KNOW -- ASSISTANT CHIEF JOHNSON.
CHIEF JOHNSON WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT BUT HE IS NOT IN THE
POSITION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF IF YOU WANT THAT
QUESTION ANSWERED.
03:47:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT.
03:47:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HE CAN'T ANSWER THAT ANYWAY.
THAT IS PAST HIS PAY GRADE.
MAYBE A DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT IT DOES AND SOME OF THE
EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM, IT BRINGS SOME BEN FITS.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS A HUGE BENEFIT, BUT I THINK IT DOES
HELP TO KNOW WHERE IT IS COME FROM TO KIND OF GET THERE.
AND SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE NEXT THING.
03:48:14PM >> YOU SAID IT CORRECTLY.
JUST FOR COUNCIL, IT IS NOT AN END ALL.
BUT YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING.
WHEN SHOTS ARE HAPPENING OUT THERE, AND NOBODY IS CALLING
911, AND NO OFFICER SHOWS UP, THEY ARE NOT GETTING NO
SERVICES OUT THERE.
WHEN SPOTLIGHTER ALERTS, THE OFFICER GOES OUT THERE
IMMEDIATELY.
WHETHER SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE OR NOT, THEY ARE RESPONDING
WITHIN SIX FEET OF WHERE THAT SHOT OCCURRED FROM.
THEY COLLECT ROUNDS AT TIMES.
THEY DO NEIGHBORHOOD SURVEYS BASED ON WHAT SHOT SPOTTER
GIVES US.
AT TIMES FOLKS OUT THERE WHO WERE SHOOTING VICTIMS WHO ARE
STILL THERE ON THE GROUND, AND THE OFFICERS ARE THERE AND
NOBODY CALLS 911.
OTHER TIMES, THEY ARE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL BY SOMEONE ELSE
IN THE CAR AND WITH GET THERE AND NOBODY OUT THERE.
BUT WE FIND OUT WITHIN SIX OR TEN FEET WHERE THE ROUNDS ARE,
WHERE IT OCCURRED AT.
WE GO TO THE HOSPITAL ONCE THEY CALL US, AND THEY SAYS THERE
A VICTIM HERE.
NOW WE HAVE A LOCATION.
THEY ARE IN TRAUMA.
THEY CAN'T TALK TO TELL US EVERYTHING.
WE PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER.
IT IS NOT A FIX-ALL.
SHOT SPOTTER IS NOT HERE TO REDUCE VIOLENT CRIME.
IT IS TO ASSIST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN INVESTIGATING
VIOLENT CRIME WITH GUNS.
03:49:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU GOOD.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:49:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN -- IN CONNECTION WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN
VIERA SAID, THERE ARE SOME REPORTS OF PEOPLE USING THE SPOT
SHORTER -- THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL CIVIL LIBERTY ISSUE WITH
PEOPLE.
I AM NOT SAYING IT HAPPENINGS IN TAMPA, BUT I HAVE SEEN AND
READ PEOPLE USING -- OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVING THEIR
OFFICERS STOPPING PEOPLE IN THE VICINITY AFTERWARDS, THAT
SORT OF THING.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAS
BEEN HAPPENING HERE WHICH IS WHY I ASKED FOR A REPORT JUST
TO FIND OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
HOW WE USE IT.
WHAT IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR US AS A CITY.
BECAUSE EVERY CITY AND EVERY MUNICIPALITY LOOKS AT IT
DIFFERENTLY.
HE MAY HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OF THINGS HE HEARD THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO -- TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
-- THAT THE CITY OR HOW WE USE IT AND IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE
TO USE IT IN THE FUTURE.
I -- AT THIS TIME, I -- I FEEL LIKE WE ARE SO FAR AWAY FROM
A REPORT.
I AM -- I AM NOT OPPOSED TO CONTINUING THIS YEAR, BUT I
THINK NEXT YEAR, WE MAY HAVE A LONGER MORE SUBSTANTIAL
CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
03:51:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:51:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BY THE EVIDENCE OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE
AND ONE OF THE UPSTANDING OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT SAID IT
IS NOT A CURE-ALL.
AND IF YOU CAN SAVE ONE LIFE BECAUSE SOMEBODY FELL A SHELL
AND HOW ABLE TO TRACE WHO IT WAS, YOU SAVE MORE THAN ONE
LIFE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A POLICEMAN STANDING IN EVERY CORNER
AND I WISH WE COULD, BUT WE CAN'T.
I UNDERSTAND THE CIVIL LIBERTIES SIDE OF IT, BUT AS LONG AS
IT IS NOT A MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY AND MY FAMILY, I DON'T
KNOW ABOUT IT.
BUT IF IT WAS, GUESS WHAT, YOU LEARN ABOUT IT REAL QUICK
THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU DO AT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
AND SOMETIMES THERE IS A SHOOTING AND NOBODY HEARD ANYTHING.
NOBODY SAW ANYTHING.
NOBODY EVEN KNEW THERE WAS A KILLING AND IT HAPPENED IN
FRONT OF THE HOUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU FACE ON A DAILY
BASIS.
NOT ONLY HERE.
BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN AVENUES
COME YOUR WAY.
THIS PERFECT FROM WHAT I SEE, NO.
BUT NOT IMPERFECT EITHER BECAUSE GIVES YOU A TIME AND
LOCATION OF WHERE TO BE AND WHERE TO LOOK AT.
THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING.
03:52:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
03:52:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY.
AS I SAID I HEARD A LOT OF ALTERNATIVE FEEDBACK WHICH THE
FOLKS THAT TOLD ME ARE NOT HERE.
BUT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE HERE AND MY COLLEAGUE AND
HEARING THAT WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION ALREADY, I WILL VOTE FOR
THIS NOW BUT I AM VERY KEPT CAL WHEN IT COMES BACK.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE THAN THE COMPANY'S NUMBERS ON
RESPONSE RATE.
THE QUESTION IS, WOULD -- WOULD THIS MONEY BE BETTER
DEPLOYED SOMEWHERE ELSE TO SUPPORT THE POLICE.
AND NUMBER TWO, IF WE HAVE POLICE SPENDING VERY LIMITED
TIME.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF CRIMES GOING ON
RIGHT NOW.
IF WE ARE RESPONDING AND GOING TO THE SITES AND THEY DON'T
FIEND ANYTHING ELSE.
IS IT REALLY HELPFUL OR SENDING TO PLACES WHERE THERE ARE
ACTIVE CRIMES GOING ON.
NOT QUESTIONS TO ANSWER NOW BUT WHEN IT COMES BACK.
THANK YOU.
03:53:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
03:53:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY FINISH MY -- THANK YOU HAVE SIR.
FROM WHAT I HEAR THIS IS A TOOL IN THE POOL BOX TO FIGHT
CRIME, LIKE YOU SAID.
IT IS NOT GOODBYE TO A PANACEA.
NOT A HUGE TOOL, BUT APPEARS TO BE A REASONABLE TOOL AGAIN.
WE HAVE TO MEASURE NOT JUST THE EFFECTIVENESS BUT IN BRIEFLY
LOOKING AT THE ISSUE, SOME ARTICLES OUT THERE ON CIVIL
LIBERTIES IF IT DOESN'T PROPERLY DETECT YOU SEND POLICE INTO
THE AREA.
BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
SETS.
BUT SOMETHING I CAN SUPPORT.
WE WILL LOOK AT IT IN OCTOBER.
HAVE IT COME BACK TO US BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING I CAN
SUPPORT.
WE HAVE AN INCREASE OF CRIME IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND MANY,
MANY COMMUNITIES ARE BEGGING NOR HELP AND I COULDN'T SAY NO
TO THAT GIVEN THAT PLEA AND I KNOW NOT ALL SEVEN OF US.
03:54:23PM >> JUST TO HIT ON THAT ALSO.
I KNOW ALREADY ARTICLES OUT THERE FROM AROUND THE NATION
THAT YOU MAY HEARD FROM OTHER PLACES.
I WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I WALK THROUGH ROBLES PARK.
HE WALK THROUGH JACKSON HEIGHTS.
I AM BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA.
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE CITY OF TAMPAND EAST TAMPA
SPECIFICALLY, THEY NEED THE HELP.
WHEN SHOT SPOTTER GOES OFF AND WE SHOW UP, NO ONE WILL CALL
911 BECAUSE THREAT OF RETALIATION.
WE WILL SHOW UP WHEN THAT SPOT SHORTER COMES OUT.
CASES WHERE SHOT SPOTTER GONE OFF AND A SHOOTING OUT THERE
THAT IS VERY ACTIVE.
GUYS SHOW UP.
THEY HAVE BEEN SHOT AT A FEW TIMES RESPONDING OUTS THERE.
A PURSUIT PURSUES AND THEY GO ON TO INVEST THE INDIVIDUALS.
I KNOW YOU MAY SEE THE ARTICLES THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND
WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING IN CHICAGO AND WHATEVER, BUT
PLEASE KEEP YOUR FOCUS ON THE CITY OF TAMPA HOW THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT USES THIS TOOL AND HOW WE COMBAT OUR VIOLENT
CRIME HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:55:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY.
03:55:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE THE AFOREMENTIONED ITEM ITEM NUMBER 21.
03:55:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU WANT TO DO 15 TO 21.
03:55:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION TO MORRIS ON A
CONFLICT ON 19.
YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THAT?
03:55:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ASK YOUR QUESTION.
I WOULD RATHER BUNDLE THESE.
03:55:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MORRIS, SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPO THE.
AS YOU HEARD BEFORE, MY FIRM REPRESENTS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AS I READ THIS, A GIFT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO THE CITY.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE OF A CONFLICT.
MY FIRM DOESN'T WORK ON ANYTHING RELATED TO THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
AND NO BENEFIT ACCRUING TO THE SCHOOL BUSINESS.
OTHER WAY AROUND.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THAT.
WOULD YOU?
03:56:15PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE A CONFLICT IN THIS
CASE.
NO SPECIAL GAIN OR LOSS YOU WOULD INCUR AS A RESULT OF VOTE
ON THIS AND IT IS A DONATION.
03:56:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
03:56:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECOND.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION.
03:56:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MOVE.
03:56:38PM >> SECOND.
03:56:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS.
03:56:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES I MOVE TO MOVE EYE STEMS 25-34.
03:56:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:56:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
03:56:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
CAN I JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT 28.
I SPOKE TO -- WHAT WAS IT, MR. JOHN, AND ONE OF THE THINGS
-- JOHNSON.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OUR TIRE WASTE
RATES ARE CHEAPER THAN OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES, WE ARE
GETTING PEOPLE TO DUMP THEIR TIRES HERE.
AND SO I ASKED HIM JUST PRIVATELY TO COME BACK TO US TO TALK
ABOUT CHANGING OUR RATES IN THAT AREA.
TALKED ABOUT SOUTHWEST WASTE RATES.
AND IT IS COSTING US.
03:57:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:57:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:57:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN ONLY TELL YOU DRIVING IN ARMENIA,
THERE WERE ABOUT TEN TIRES RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
RESTAURANT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
I SAID WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THAT.
03:57:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHO IS NEXT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE FINANCE COMMITTEE MINUS 36.
03:58:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEM 35.
THE ONLY ONE LEFT.
03:58:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OBJECTION AS SOON AS THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAVE BUILDING, ZONING AND
PRESERVATION.
03:58:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE 37-45.
03:58:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:58:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE 46 AND 47.
03:58:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THAT MOVES US TO COMMITTEE REPORTS, CONSENT AGENDA.
03:58:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM 48.
SET 48 FOR OCTOBER WHICH IS E 22, CHAPTER 24.
SET THAT FOR OCTOBER 6, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
03:59:05PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YOU ARE MOVING A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
03:59:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SUBSTITUTE OF 48 AT 9:30 A.M.

SECOND.
03:59:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
HAVE WE DONE 47?
WE ARE AT 47 NOW.
03:59:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TOO MUCH HOPSCOTCHING AROUND.
AGENDA ITEM 52, FILE NUMBER REZ-21-134.
FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE WATCHED VIDEO OF THIS AND SEEN A
TRANSCRIPT AND I CAN VOTE IMPARTIALLY.
03:59:47PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ZAIN HUSSEIN.
AGENDA ITEM 52, CASE NUMBERREZ-21-134.
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT 3915 W. EUCLID
AVENUE, PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
DOCUMENTS PROVIDED.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
04:00:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSSEIN.
PETITIONER.
04:00:26PM >> NO QUESTIONS.
I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR ACKERMAN.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
04:00:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO COMMENT?
SEEING NONE.
04:00:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
04:00:37PM >> SECOND.
04:00:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOVE TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
GO WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA.
WOULD YOU MIND.
04:00:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE ITEM NUMBER 52, ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING FOR ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 3915 W. EUCLID AVENUE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM RS-60 TO PD.
04:01:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:01:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:01:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:01:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:01:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:01:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:01:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:01:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
04:01:23PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
NUMBER 54, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-53.
I REVIEWED THE FILE AND VOTE ON IT WITHOUT FRENCH DIS.
04:01:38PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN.
CASE NUMBERREZ-22-53 BEING PRESENT TODAY ARE SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION AT LOW SITUATION 3604 WEST AZEELE STREET
PROPOSE READY HE ZONING FROM RS-60 REGISTER SINGLE-FAMILY
TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, MEDICAL OFFICE.
SENT IN TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
04:02:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I DIDN'T FOR MR. HUSSEIN.
PETITIONER?
04:02:06PM >> GOOD AFTER, BRIAN DUNIVAN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
WE ARE READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
04:02:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONER?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS.
04:02:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
04:02:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
04:02:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
EXCUSE ME COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:02:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ORDINANCE REZONING IN THE
GENERAL SI SIN TEE OF 3604 WEST AZEELE STREET?THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE TECHNICALLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM ZONING MEDICAL PROVES VIED ON EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:02:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:02:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:02:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:02:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:02:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:02:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:03:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
04:03:00PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
04:03:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM FILE NUMBERREZ-22-57.
I HAVE REVIEWED THE DOCUMENTS AND CAN VOTE WITHOUT BRIDGE
DIS.
04:03:16PM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN,REZ-22-57.
LOCATION 3607, 3708 AND 3809 NORTH ARMENIA AVENUE PROPOSE
FROM PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE
TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, ANIMAL SHELTER, VETERINARY
OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET
PARKING.
MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE OFFICE.
04:03:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
QUESTIONS FOR MR. --
MR. MECHANIK, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[SWEARING IN]
04:04:01PM >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY STATEMENTS.
04:04:03PM >> COUNCILMEMBERS, I AM DAVID MECHANIK IN BEHALF OF THE
HUMANE SOCIETY.
I HAVE RANDY COHEN WITH ME.
WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND TO ASK FOR YOUR
APPROVAL.
04:04:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE THERE ANY ANY QUESTIONS.
SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN CHAMBERS MIKE TO COMMENT.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:04:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER REZ-22-57.
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY.
3607, 3708 AND 3809 NORTH ARMENIA, OVER, CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM
ZONING DISTRICTS CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
AND CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
ANIMAL SHELTER, VETERINARY, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE,
COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:05:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND SECONDED
BY MIRANDA.
04:05:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:05:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:05:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:05:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:05:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:05:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:05:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES CLERK MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
04:05:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
56, FILE NUMBER E 2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:05:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I REVIEWED BOTH 56
AND 57 AND I AM PREPARED TO VOTE ON THESE.
04:05:42PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE
THAT ARE PRESENTED FOR YOU.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAD CHANGED PARKING RATIO FOR STUDENT
HOUSING BUT DUE TO OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE REZONING YOU
CONSIDERED ON THE STUDENT HOUSE, WE WANTED TO TAKE A MORE
GLOBAL APPROACH BEFORE INCORPORATING ANY PARKING RATIOS
BEFORE THE CODE.
THE SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE REMOVE PARKING RATIO FROM THE CDB
AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
04:06:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS.
04:06:26PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
COUNCIL, ITEMS 56 AND 57 WILL BEFORE YOU AS
PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
04:06:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK.
SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS.
04:06:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
04:06:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
04:06:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:06:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FILE NUMBERE 2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
04:06:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
04:07:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING ORDINANCE OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA RELATING TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 ZONING
AND 27-132, REGULATIONS GOVERNOR EARNING INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL
USES AND 8.15, A WATERFRONT OVERLAY, RIVER WALK DESIGN
REGULATIONS, SECTION 27-182, PUBLIC REALM AND PUBLIC
STANDARDS, AND AMENDING 27-183, AND 21-184, SCHEDULE OF
PERMITTED PRINCIPAL, ACCESSORY AND SPECIAL USE REQUIRED
OFF-STREET PARKING RATIO BY USE, AMENDING SECTION 27-184.1,
MISCELLANEOUS USE STANDARDS, AND 27-185, GENERAL PARKING
DESIGN STANDARDS, PARKING IN LIEW STANDARDS.
AND AMENDING 27-185.1 OFF STREET SURFACE PARKING, 27-185.2,
PARKING COMPLIANCE, ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE, AND THEREFORE
PROVIDING SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:08:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:08:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:08:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:08:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:08:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:08:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:08:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
04:08:28PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
04:08:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FILE NUMBERE 2022-8 CHAPTER 27, NUMBER 57.
MR. COTTON, HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN.
04:08:44PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I DON'T NEED TO BE SWORN IN --
04:08:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THESE ARE NONQUASI.
GO AHEAD, MR. COTTON.
04:08:52PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT BOARD NATION.
AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 23.5 AND 27.
SECOND READING TO START REGULATING FOOD TRUCKS.
THIS WAS HEARD A FEW WEEKS AGO AT THE OCTOBER -- OCTOBER --
WOW -- TWO WEEKS AGO FOR FIRST READING.
04:09:10PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE ARE ON ITEM 57.
04:09:16PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I AM SORRY.
04:09:17PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE JUMPED THE GUN.
04:09:19PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I WAS JUMPING AHEAD.
04:09:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I SAW YOU UP THERE.
04:09:26PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
ITEM 57 WAS THE SECOND PART TO THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT
AMENDMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS KAREN CRESS ON BEHALF OF TAMPA DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP AND AVAILABLE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
04:09:43PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
04:09:46PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES, THANK YOU.
04:09:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THIS.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:09:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE NUMBER E 2022-8 CHAPTER 27, MOVE A
SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE OF THE ORDINANCE IN CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, MAKING HE VISIONS TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER
27 ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING CHAPTER 27-198,
OFFICIAL SCHEDULE FOR PERMITTING PRINCIPLES, ACCESSORIES AND
AMENDING 27-199, OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DIMENSIONAL
REGULATIONS IT HE LETTING SECTION 27-200, PARKING
REQUIREMENTS.
REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY.
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
04:10:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:10:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:10:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:10:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:10:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:10:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TWO SECONDS.
THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN HAPPENING, PLANNING, WORKED ON OVER
THREE YEARS FOR VARIOUS PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
I THINK IT WILL CHANGE OUR DOWNTOWN A LOT BUT I WOULD LIKE
TO THANK KAREN KRESS FOR SPEARHEADING THIS.
KAREN, YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB ON THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
AGENDA ITEM 58, FILE NUMBERE-2022-8 CHAPTER 23.5 AND E
2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
MR. COTTON.
04:11:45PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS AN AMOUNT TO CHAPTER 23.5 AND 27 REGARDING THE
REGULATION OF FOOD TRUCKS.
IF YOU ALL RECALL, THE STATE PREEMPTED US FROM REGULATING
THEM REQUIRING AN ADDITIONAL PERMIT.
TO GET A SPECIAL USE 1 VENDOR PERMIT AND WILL BE A PERMITTED
USE IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND SETS
FOR SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN 287282.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
04:12:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON.
HEARING NONE, ANYONE WHO WOULD WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS IN
COUNCIL CHAMBERS?
04:12:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
04:12:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:12:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:12:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, SIR, MORE FILE NUMBER E 2022-8 CH 23.5,
AND E 2022-8 CH 27, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING
TO FOOD TRUCKS REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES CHAPTER 23.5, SUPPLEMENTAL ENFORCEMENT
PROCEDURES, AMENDING SECTION 23-5-5, SCHEDULE OF VIOLATIONS
AND PENALTIES AND CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT,
AMENDING SECTION 27-43 DEFINITIONS AMENDING SECTIONS 27-156,
OFFICIAL QUESTION I'M OF DISTRICTS REGULATIONS AMENDING
SECTION 27-171, DISTRICTS REGULATIONS FOR M-AP AIRPLANE
COMPATIBILITY DISTRICTS AMENDING SECTION 27-184 OFFICIAL
SCHEDULE OF PERMITTED PRINCIPAL ACCESSORY AND SPECIAL USES
REQUIRED OFF-STREET PARKING RATIOS BY USE AMENDING SECTION
27-198 OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF PERMITTING PRINCIPAL ACCESSORY
AND SPECIAL USES AMENDING 27-211.8, PERMITTED AND PROHIBITED
USES AND SECTION 27-282.30 FOOD TRUCKS, REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCE OF CONFLICT THERE WITH.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:14:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION.
ROLL CALL.
04:14:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:14:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:14:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:14:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:14:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:14:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
04:14:13PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
04:14:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 59, E
2022-8, CH 27.
04:14:27PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, E 2022-8, CHAPTER 27.
HOME A-BASED BUSINESSES.
HOME OCCUPATIONS AS A SPECIAL USE.
THEY ARE NOW BEEN HOME-BASED BUSINESSES WITH SPECIFIC TODAY
OF CHAPTER 27 IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER SOME FOR YOU.
04:14:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SEEING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA
ITEM?
04:14:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
04:15:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
04:15:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
LET'S GO WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:15:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION RELATING TO LEGISLATIVE CHANGES REGARDING
HOME-BASED BUSINESSES MAKING REVISIONS TO CODE OF ORDINANCES
CHAPTER 27, LAND DEVELOPMENT AMENDING 27-43, DEFINITION,
AMENDING SECTION 27-132, REGULATIONS GOVERNING SPECIAL USES,
27-156, OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT REGULAR LEASINGS,
AMENDING 27-177, HISTORIC DISTRICTS ESTABLISHED.
AMENDING SECTION 27-184, OFFICIAL PERMITTED ACCESSORY AND
SPECIAL USES REQUIRED.
OFF-STREET PARKING RATIOS 27-198, OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF
PERMITTED PRINCIPAL ACCESSORY AMENDING SECTION 27-211.8,
SCHEDULE OF PERMITTED USES BY DISTRICT, AMENDING 27-212.4
SCHEDULE ALLOWABLE PERMITSING PROHIBITED USES AND 27-282.5,
HOME OCCUPATIONS AMENDING SECTION 27-283.7, NUMBER OF
OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:16:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:16:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:16:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:16:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:16:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:16:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:16:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:16:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
04:16:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 61 FILE NUMBER SU 1-22-64-C.
04:16:52PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA
PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ITEM NUMBER 61, EXCUSE ME WITH A REVIEW HEARING ON A
PETITION FOR REVIEW --
04:17:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I APOLOGIZE.
I JUMPED THE GUN BEFORE AND I FAILED ON DOING IT NOW.
IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN SWORN
IN, INCLUDING MR. COTTON WHO IS NOT WITH US, WOULD YOU
PLEASE STAND TO BE SWORN IN.
[SWEARING IN]
THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
PLEASE PROCEED.
I APOLOGIZE.
04:17:28PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
ITEM 61 IS A PETITION OF REVIEW
FILED ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATED WITH 200
SOUTH HOOPER BOULEVARD.
THEY ARE REQUESTING REVIEW OF A DECISION FROM THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR DENYING THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION FOR A
DWELLING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
EARLIER, COUNCIL WAS PROVIDED A COPY OF HEARING PROCEDURES,
THE RELEVANT CODE SECTION AND SAMPLE MOTION.
MR. COTTON ALSO HAS THE ADDITIONAL CODE SECTIONS IN HIS
STAFF REPORT.
FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE
TO CONDUCT A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW WHICH MEANS THAT
CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE TO -- DOES NOT HAVE TO -- YOUR
REVIEW IS NOT LIMITED TO THE INFORMATION FROM THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR.
AT THIS HEARING, YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW
EVIDENCE AND MAKE A DECISION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE
ACTION MEETS THE CRITERIA AS OUTLINED IN CODE SECTION 27-132
AND 27-129.
MR. COTTON WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU AN OVERVIEW ON THE
CITY'S DECISION AND WHY HE DENIED THE SPECIAL USE
APPLICATION THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY LOCATE AT
200 SOUTH HOOVER BOULEVARD.
AFTER CONSIDERING ALL THE EVIDENCE INTRODUCED INTO THE
RECORD AT THIS AFTERNOON'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE
THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.
CITY COUNCIL CAN UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION
AND THEREFORE DENY THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION OR CITY
COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION AND
THEREFORE APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE SPECIAL USE
APPLICATION.
WITH THAT I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO MR. COTTON.
04:19:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BEFORE WE GO ON, DO WE -- DO WE NOT HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SEND IT BACK?
04:19:22PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THIS IS AN APPEAL OF A ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR DECISION.
NOT A AND WILL USE BOARD.
04:19:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OTHER CASES WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEND
IT BACK.
04:19:31PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CORRECT.
04:19:33PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON.
MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN.
I HAVE A QUICK POWERPOINT TO RUN THROUGH.
04:19:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU THERE, ERIC.
04:19:42PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I NEEDED TO SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK.
I HAVE A QUICK POWERPOINT.
IS IT VISIBILITY TO COUNCIL?
04:19:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOT YET.
IT IS ALMOST THERE.
THERE YOU GO.
04:19:55PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THANK YOU.
AS MISS PETTIS MACKLE WAS INDICATING THIS IS AN APPEAL,
PETITION FOR APPROVAL FOR SPECIAL USE SU 1-22-46-C.
THE PETITIONER IS CLAYTON BRICKLEMYER.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RO-1 WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.
THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING A SINGLE-FAMILY -- EXCUSE ME
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT.
ROUGHLY 87 UNITS ON A TOTAL OF FIVE ACRES.
YOU SEE ON THE AERIAL MAP, CLEVELAND TO THE NORTH.
HOOVER TO THE WEST.
AZEELE TO THE SOUTH.
THIS IS -- CURRENTLY EXISTING OFFICE COMPLEX.
THIS WAS THE SITE PLAN IMPOSED.
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED UNIT.
DID HAVE A DESIGN TO FACE -- NOT HAVE TO FACE PUBLIC
RIGHT-OF-WAYS.
WE ARE COMING BACK WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT IN THE SEPTEMBER
WORKSHOP HOPEFULLY TO CHANGE THAT REVISION IN THE CODE.
AS WELL AS THE BASIS FOR THE DENIAL IS THE FACT THAT THE
APPLICANT DOES NOT FACE AN A TER YELL -- A TER YELL ROADWAY.
ALL LOCAL STREETS.
THAT IS ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE JUNE 23
COUNCIL MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP ON GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL CONNECTOR ROAD.
AND DENY THE REQUEST AND THE APPLICANT IS PETITIONING FOR A
REVIEW.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
04:21:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON.
PETITIONER.
04:21:39PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THANK YOU.
04:21:42PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CLAYTON BRICKLEMYER, HILL, WARD
HENDERSON.
I THINK THE LAST WEEKER BETWEEN YOU AND THE BAR.
ANGER RICK DID A GOOD JOB OF SUMMING THIS UP.
WE DON'T MEET THE ONE CRITERIA.
WE MEET THE OTHER CRITERIA FOR THE SPECIAL USE.
THE ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE WE ARE NOT ON THE ARTERIAL OR
COLLECTOR ROAD.
I WILL PUT A COUPLE THINGS UP AND RUN THROUGH THE RATIONALE
WE USE VERY QUICKLY.
RIGHT NOW A SITE.
THERE IS AN OFFICE PARK THERE NOW.
THE SORT OF THEME WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING
TO PROVIDE OUR PROJECT WILL BE 16 UNITS PER ACRE.
YOU GOT AN OFFICE PARK THERE NOW.
THIS IS ALL FUTURE LAND USE 100.
AND I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN A SECOND, BUT THIS AT 16 UNITS
PER ACHOR IS A PROPER TRANSITION FROM THE MORE INTENSE AND
TALLER PRODUCT TO THE NORTH.
THERE IS ALSO SOME MULTIFAMILY HERE TO THE WEST THAT HAS
SINGLE-FAMILY TO THE WEST OF IT.
THE PATTERN IN THE AREA.
THIS IS KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND THE MALL.
THE STRETCH OF KENNEDY BOULEVARD AS YOU ARE GETTING TO
CONTINUE TO THE BRIDGE.
THE PATTERN IS TO TRANSITION.
THE OFFICE PARK AT 16 UNITS TO AN ACRE THAT IS IN PLACE NOW.
THE OTHER POINT THAT I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE IS -- SHOWS
THIS ONE.
THE BY NO MEANS AND EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
BY NO MEANS WILL HOOVER BE DECLASSIFIED.
BUT IN THIS SECTION, IT IS A COLLECTOR, A LOWERCASE
COLLECTOR AND NOT ON THE MAP.
WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS IT COLLECTS -- COLLECTS THE TRAFFIC --
ACTUALLY THIS DOES A BETTER JOB.
COLLECTS THE TRAFFIC FROM -- THIS IS THE SITE.
FROM THE SOUTH FROM SAN PIPER.
COLLECTS FROM AZEELE.
COLLECTS FROM CLEVELAND.
COLLECTS FROM MANNER AND DELIVERS IT ON THAT THAT SECTION OF
KENNEDY THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT ON THE MAP, IT IS SERVING AS
A COLLECTOR, AND IT IS WORTH MENTIONING THAT STRIKE THIS AS
A REQUIREMENT IN YOUR WORKSHOPS.
AND THE OTHER INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY
IS THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE YOU CAN TELL WHICH ONCE I PUT
TOGETHER AND WHICH ONE THE ARCHITECT DID.
THAT IS THE SITE -- THE YELLOW IS THE FUTURE LAND USE
OF R-6.
AND YOU ARE FULLY AWARE, NORMAL TRANSITION DALE MABRY WOULD
BE A STEP DOWN 25-10.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 94 UNITS PER ACRE WHAT OUR FUTURE
LAND USE AND WHAT OUR NEIGHBOR'S FUTURE LAND USE.
IT IS UNIQUE IN THE CITY.
ONLY POTS WITH A 90 UNIT PER ACRE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN
ADJACENT LAND USES AND OUR STRETCH RIGHT WHERE WE ARE.
REALLY GOES TO THE UNIQUENESS AND GOINGS THROUGH A VARIANCE
REVIEW.
AND THAT IS THE AND THAT MAKES IT SPECIAL.
WE THINK WE MEET ALL THE GENERAL STANDARDS.
AND AS I SAID THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND I KNOW IT MATTERS
TO YOU ALL A LOT BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THEY HAVE BEEN AT THIS VERY SITE PITCH FORBES IN HAND ON
OTHER PROJECTS.
WHAT YOU WILL FIND WE HAVE A FEW SUPPORTERS HERE TO TALK
ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY APPRECIATED THE WORK WE HAVE DONE
WITH THEM.
THEY LIKE THIS PROJECT.
ADAM WOL OF HERE IF YOU WANT A BETTER IDEA OF THE SITE PLAN.
WE HAVE SUPPORTERS TO SPEAK.
AND WE HAVE OUR TEAM HERE.
04:26:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
04:26:48PM >> I AM PAULA PERRY AND A RESIDENT OF BEACH PARK AND HAVE
BEEN A RESIDENT FOR ALL OF MY LIFE.
AND ON THE BOARD FOR THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.
WE REPRESENT APPROXIMATELY 1200 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE MET WITH WOLF BROTHERS.
AND WE HAD MULTIPLE READINGS AND UNLIKE THE OTHER PROJECTS
THAT WE HAVE GOING ON THAT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AND
WE ARE CONCERNED OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ARE VERY PLEASED THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US TO
LISTEN TO US AND TO ACTUALLY INCLUDE THE FEEDBACK INTO THEIR
DESIGN PLAN.
VERY SPECIFICALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD -- I DON'T HAVE A MAP OUT
IN FRONT OF ME, BUT O'BRIAN IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE
PROPERTY.
THEY ARE SINGLE STORY RANCH HOMES.
A LOVELY STREET, BUT THEY HAVE REALLY WORKED WITH THEM IN
PARTICULAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR PRIVACY IS NOT INTRUDED.
THAT THEY DON'T LOSE ALL OF THE SUNLIGHT TO AFFECT THE
DESIGN SO THAT IT HELPS THOSE RESIDENTS.
HELPS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT IS NOT AS HIGH DENSITY AS
SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS.
TOWN HOMES, PEOPLE CAN LIVE THERE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE
PROJECT AND THEIR WAIVER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY.
04:28:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
04:28:20PM >> THANK YOU.
04:28:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS.
PETITIONER, NEED ANY REBUTTAL?
04:28:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
04:28:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
04:28:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:28:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION,
SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION
AND A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.
AND I KNOW THAT THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY AWARE
AND INVOLVED AND KNOWING THAT A REPRESENTATIVE WAS HERE IN
SUPPORT.
PUTS ME AT EASE AND SEEING THAT, I DON'T THINK WE RECEIVED
ANY E-MAIL OS ARE ANYTHING AGAINST THIS.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTURN THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR'S DESIRE OF SPECIAL USE APPLICATION SU 1-22-64
FOR THE PROPERTY AT 200 SOUTH HOOVER BOULEVARD BECAUSE THE
PETITIONER HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THE PETITION IS CONSISTENT
WITH THE APPLICABLE GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION
27-13 # AND SECTION 27-129.
04:29:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR -- EXCUSE ME, ROLE CALL VOTE.
04:29:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:29:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:29:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:29:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:30:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:30:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:30:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
04:30:04PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
04:30:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, LADY AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
INFORMATION REPORTS.
GO TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:30:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM, PLEASE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR COMMENDATION FOR DIRECTOR
GREGORY SPEARMAN OF THE 2022 EXCELLENCE OF PROCUREMENT FOR
THE 16th YEAR.
THIS WAS PRESENTED ON BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL PROCUREMENT
INSTITUTE A CPSM --CPM, CPP, AEP AND DON'T ASK ME WHAT IT
STANDS FOR OFFICER AND ACHIEVEMENT OF EXCELLENCE IN THE
PROCUREMENT EVALUATION COMMITTEE.
04:30:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
04:30:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NEXT ONE IS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
TO PRESENT COMMENDATION TO MISS MIRIAM BROAD RICK.
BORN IN CHICAGO AND MOVEDED TO.
IN 1981 AND RESIDES IN DISTRICT 7, COUNCILMAN VIERA'S
DISTRICTS.
AN AMBASSADOR OF TAMPA AND SERVED AS PART-TIME AS GREETER OF
CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU FOR 35 YEARS, DOING MANY
THINGS INCLUDING AS A PROCTOR FOR THE FLORIDA BAR EXAM, A
GREET TO GUESTS TO TRAVEL HERE FOR THE SUPER BOWL,
REGISTRATION CONVENTION ATTENDEE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER
AND THE FIRST TO SIGN UP AS VOLUNTEER USHER AND TICKET TAKER
AT THE TAMPA BAY PERFORM PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AS THE STRAZ
CENTER AND RETIRED AT THE RIPE AGE OF 95.
IN COMMENDATION WITH A HUGE PARTY AT THE ARLO WITH BIG
BANDS, MUSIC AND HOLLYWOOD-STYLE ENTERTAINMENT.
CONGRATULATIONS AND BEST WISHES TO MIRIAM.
ALSO A LITTLE THING I GO THE TO SAY BECAUSE THE AIDE TOLD ME
TO SAY IT.
HER DAUGHTER IS EMILY FIST WITH TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL AND
SAID SHE AND HER HUSBAND ARE FANS OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
SO THERE YOU GO.
YOU GOT A FAN.
I WANTED TO GIVE IT TO YOU.
04:32:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
04:32:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. MIRANDA, WILL YOU CONSIDER REPLACING
WILLARD SCOTT ON THE "TODAY" SHOW.
REMEMBER WHAT HE USED TO DO -- WHEN TEAM TURNED 100, HE
WOULD ANNOUNCE THEM.
04:32:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SPONSORED BY SMUCKERS.
04:32:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM WILLING TO DO ANYTHING AT THIS TIME.
04:32:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITH A NAME LIKE SMUCKERS, IT HAS GOT TO BE
GOOD.
04:32:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I REMEMBER THAT NOW.
04:32:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, A MOTION FOR TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL TO GIVE COMMENDATION TO THE CITY'S HOUSING AND
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR RECEIVING AN AWARD FOR THE
FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
CONFERENCE FOR PARTNERSHIPS TO BE GIVEN SEPTEMBER 6, 2022.
04:33:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
04:33:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SECONDED.
04:33:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
04:33:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME SAY THAT WAS A GREAT CONFERENCE.
COUNCILWOMAN DID A PRESENTATION TUESDAY AFTERNOON AROUND 3,
4:00 ON OUR TENANTS RIGHT OF BILL WITH COMMISSIONER OVERMAN.
I WANT TO SAY THAT THE CONFERENCE REALLY -- EVERYONE AT THE
CONFERENCE -- IT WAS SOLD OUT.
HOUSING IS A BIG DEAL.
AND WORDS I USE NOW OBTAINABLE HOUSING.
AND EVERYONE IS CATCHING ON TO IS THAT WORD "ATTAINABLE."
BECAUSE "AFFORDABLE" IS NOT WORKING.
AND SOMEHOW LEGISLATORS NEED TO CHANGE THAT WORD AND LOOK AT
ATTAINABLE.
ATTAINABLE PEOPLE MORE LIKELY TO HEAR VERSUS AFFORDABLE.
GREAT CONFERENCE AND HOPE YOU JOIN NEXT YEAR.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
04:34:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:34:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE ED
SHERWOOD OF TAMPA BAY ESTUARY NOVEMBER 3, 2022 AND GIVE
COUNCIL A TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATION ON THE STATE OF THE BAY.
Y'ALL REALLY NEED TO HEAR ABOUT THIS.
04:34:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW ARE THE SEAGRASS.
04:34:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT GOOD.
THAT IS WHY HE WANTS TO COME AND NEEDS TO SPEAK.
04:34:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL SECOND THAT.
IF I MAY, I WISH MR. BEAU WILLIAMS WILL COME IN HERE ALSO.
IN MY OPINION WE NEED A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM OF OUR
SEAGRASSES IN AND AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:34:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND
SECOND BY CHAIRMEN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
04:35:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:35:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, SIR, I HAVE NOTHING TODAY.
04:35:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:35:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY FAST, SEPTEMBER 6, I WAS GOING TO DO A
COMMENDATION TO DEBRA HARRIS FROM CRISIS CENTER ARE YOU BUT
SHE CAN'T MAKE IT THAT WAY AND MOVE TO MOVE THAT OFF IF I
MAY AND RESET IT AT ANOTHER TIME.
04:35:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED.
04:35:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY QUICK.
I THINK IT WAS MONDAY NIGHT, I DID A COMMUNITY FORUM ON
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES DEALING WITH COVID-19, ETC.
UP THOUGHT THAT NIGHT ABOUT THE CITY POTENTIALLY HAVING WHAT
I WOULD CALL -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF ONE EXISTS.
IF ONE EXISTS I DON'T KNOW -- AND THE FUTURE -- I MAY BE
EMBARRASSED AND WITHDRAW THIS.
BUT A CITY OF TAMPA MENTAL HEALTH TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT ALL
OF OUR CITY OF TAMPA POLICIES USING GROUPS LIKE -- LIKE
CRISIS CENTER, ETC., ETC.
TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF OUR POLICIES FROM FIRST RESPONDERS,
PUBLIC SAFETY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, ALL
DIFFERENT THINGS TO TAKE LOOK AT HOW IT DEALS WITH MENTAL
HEALTH AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT.
SEE THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION ON THAT.
IF WE CAN HAVE THAT BACK NOVEMBER 3.
AGAIN, IF THERE IS MORE TIME NEEDED, THAT IS AWESOME.
BUT THAT'S IT.
04:36:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
04:36:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
LASTLY IF I MAY.
I KNOW RIGHT NOW WE ARE HAVING THE EAST TAMPA -- THE -- THE
RECREATION CENTER OUT THERE.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONTROVERSY WITH -- WITH THE --
WITH THE PRIOR PROJECT ON HANNA WITH REGARD TO THE
APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE.
MAYBE WE COULD HAVE AN UPDATE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IN
TERMS OF HOW THAT IS GOING WITH REGARDS TO COMPLIANCE WITH
THE APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE AND HAVE THAT COME BACK IN THE
FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER.
04:37:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK I DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT LAST
WEEK, A WHOLE LIST OF THAT PROJECT.
04:37:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE.
IS THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION?
04:37:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I BELIEVE IT.
04:37:18PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THOUGHT YOUR MOTION WAS WITH HANNA.
04:37:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW ABOUT IF YOU AND WITH TO AMEND YOUR MOTION
--
04:37:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S OKAY.
WHEN YOU SAID THE APPRENTICE AND WORKFORCE.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK OF HOW THE EAST TAMPA PROJECT WILL DEAL,
THAT IS FINE.
I HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THAT ALREADY BECAUSE I BELIEVE 75%
OF THE WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE.
04:37:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COOL.
SO THEN THAT APPARENTLY HAS NOT BEEN MADE BEFORE, I WILL
MAKE THE MOTION IF I MAY FOR OCTOBER 6.
04:37:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
04:37:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS NOT A MOTION, BUT CLARIFICATION
SEPTEMBER # 2, WE HAD THE ISSUE OF THE -- SEPTEMBER 22, WE
HAD BE ISSUE OF THE CHARTER COMING UP AND LOOKING AT THE
MOTION AND OTHER WORKSHOPS ON THAT DAY, MAYBE INCLUDED ON
ONE OF MINE.
WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER MOVING THOSE IN THE EVENT THAT TAKES
A LONG TIME.
THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION THAT MAY -- HE WILL BE
THERE THE NIGHT BEFORE.
I WILL SEEING KISS WITH MY SON PALM BEACH TO BE AT CITY
COUNCIL LIVE.
SO JUST PUTTING OUT THERE.
THANK YOU.
04:38:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
[LAUGHTER]
NOW WHICH KISS MEMBER ARE YOU PUTTING THE MAKE-UP ON.
04:38:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, NO.
WE ARE JUST GOING.
WE ARE JUST CHILLING.
04:38:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN --
04:38:52PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
AS LONG AS THERE WAS A MOTION.
MAYBE NEXT BEAK WE CAN LOOK AT THE WORKSHOP CALENDAR AND SEE
IF WE CAN MOVE ANYTHING.
04:38:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:39:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
FILE MY AB FROM LAST WEEK, FILE NUMBER PRC 27-27621.
I ABSTAINED FROM THE VOTE BECAUSE THE FIRM WHICH I AM
RETAINED WORKS FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH SCHOOL DISTRICT.
MY FIRM DOES NOT WORK ON THIS ITEM BUT I ABSTAIN AS AN
ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION NOT TO APPEAR ANY CONFLICT.
04:39:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAD A VOTE AND I SECONDED IT.
04:39:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND SECONDED BY
MR. MIRANDA.
04:39:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW WE LOOK ALIKE.
04:39:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
04:39:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE MORE THING.
04:39:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY, HE IS NOT FINISHED.
04:39:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO MORE, IF I COULD.
MY EXPERIENCE WORK WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IS THAT IF
YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY OR IF YOU ARE
RECEIVING MONEY FROM A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, YOU ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO LOBBY ON BEHALF OF THIRD PARTIES WITH THAT
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
AS I CHECKED WITH OUR CITY, NO PROHIBITION ON THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE REQUEST THE CITY ATTORNEY TO
REPORT ON NOVEMBER 3 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF SETTING UP YOU
A PROHIBITION ON ORGANIZATIONS THAT RECEIVE SENDING MONEY
FROM LOBBYING THE CITY ON BEHALF OF THIRD PARTIES.
04:40:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
04:40:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY SPEAK ON IT.
AND I WILL BE GLAD TO VOTE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
I THINK ABOUT THE NUMEROUS LAW FIRM WE HAVE ON RETAINER.
HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT -- CAN THEY APPEAR BEFORE CITY
COUNCIL, ETC., ETC., I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WILL MOVE THAT
FORWARD.
THAT IS FINE.
04:40:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:40:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LAST ONE, WE TALKED THIS MORNING ABOUT --
ABOUT SETTLEMENTS.
AND APPARENTLY A DOCUMENT FROM FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO FROM A
FORMER CITY ATTORNEY THAT TALKS WHAT THE ROLES ARE OF CITY
COUNCIL VERSUS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON HANDLING
PAYMENTS AND PAYMENTS OF SETTLEMENTS.
WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
THE CITY ATTORNEY TO REPORT ON NOVEMBER 3 AS TO WHAT THE NEW
CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION IS ON WHAT THE ROLE IS OF CITY
COUNCIL VERSUS THE CITY ATTORNEY IN REGARD TO APPROVING
SETTLEMENT AND SETTLEMENT PAYMENTS.
04:41:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, BACK TO YOU.
04:41:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO BRING A LITTLE QUICK THING
UP.
SOME TIME BACK, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO, I WAS TALKING TO
SOMEONE HIGH IN THE ADMINISTRATION -- NOT THE MAYOR AND SAID
WE WILL LOOK AT STOP SIGNS THAT SAY "STOP" IS SOLAR PANEL ON
TOP AND JUST THINKING -- I WENT YESTERDAY AT PUBLIX AND
LOOKED UP OPINION WASN'T THE CITY BUT PUBLIX PUT ONE ON THE
STAR AT HILLSBOROUGH AND HABANA AND PARKING AND THAT SIGN
WILL TELL YOU TO STOP AND IT BLINKS AT YOU AND YOU CAN SEE
IT FROM HALF A BLOCK AWAY.
AND MAYBE I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO ADMINISTRATION TO SEE IF
WE CAN DO SOME OF THESE THINGS TO STOP SOME OF THE TRAFFIC
HAPPENING IN THE CITY.
MAYBE SAVE OR LIFE OR TWO.
I DON'T KNOW.
IT DOES WORK.
IT CAUGHT MY EYE IMMEDIATELY.
04:42:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR.
04:42:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:42:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
WHO SECONDED.
[LAUGHTER]
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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