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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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09:03:15AM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
09:03:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING, THE MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 15,
09:03:47AM 2022.
09:03:47AM MY NAME IS JOSEPH CITRO AND I WILL BE CHAIRING THIS MEETING.
09:03:53AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE INVOCATION.
09:03:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DO.
09:03:56AM UNFORTUNATELY, THE PASTOR GOT DOWNSTAIRS AND SHIFTED IN THE
09:04:01AM WRONG BUILDING, AND THEY ARE BRINGING HIM OUT.
09:04:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF EVERYONE CAN PLEASE RISE, WE WILL DO THE
09:04:09AM PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR COUNTRY AT THIS TIME.
09:04:12AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:04:24AM AT THIS TIME, LET'S BE SEATED UNTIL THE PASTOR GETS HERE FOR
09:04:32AM INVOCATION.
09:04:32AM ROLL CALL.
09:04:33AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:04:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:04:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:04:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M HERE AS WELL.
09:04:42AM >>CLERK: OFF PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE
09:04:47AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON VIA THE INTERNET PASTOR, WE ARE WAITING
09:04:58AM ON YOU.
09:04:58AM IF EVERYONE CAN PLEASE RISE.
09:05:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME INTRODUCE THE PASTOR.
09:05:08AM I HAVE THE PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE ELDER PAUL BUSTER.
09:05:12AM 2022, HE WAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO BE THE NEW PASTOR AT HIS
09:05:19AM CHURCH IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:05:20AM 20 YEARS, THE FOLLOWING PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED.
09:05:24AM BUILDING SCHOLARSHIP, FEED MY SHEEP.
09:05:28AM THE SATURDAY SANCTUARY, MISSION IN MOTION.
09:05:31AM PASTOR IS AFFILIATED WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF PROGRESSIVE
09:05:36AM EQUALITY, UNITED YOUNG MEN OF CLERGYMEN.
09:05:40AM AND PASTOR IS MARRIED TO BRIDGET, WHO THEY HAVE FIVE CHILDREN
09:05:45AM AND TEN GRANDCHILDREN.
09:05:46AM I WELCOME PASTOR BUSTER.
09:05:49AM >> THANK YOU.
09:05:50AM BY HIS FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SEE THIS DAY.
09:05:53AM WE THANK YOU FOR BEING SO GOOD TO US AND SO KIND TO US, SO
09:05:57AM MERCIFUL AND SO GRACIOUS.
09:05:59AM FATHER GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE LEADERSHIP TO OUR LEADERS
09:06:03AM OF THIS CITY.
09:06:04AM FATHER GOD, ALLOW US TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR CITIZENS OF
09:06:08AM THIS CITY.
09:06:08AM FATHER GOD, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU COVER THEM WITH YOUR BLOOD.
09:06:13AM THAT YOU BE A FENCE AROUND THEM.
09:06:15AM THAT YOU GIVE THEM GUIDANCE.
09:06:17AM THAT YOU GIVE THEM LET.
09:06:18AM THAT THEY WILL KNOW WHICH WAY TO DO.
09:06:20AM WHICH WAY TO GO.
09:06:21AM AND WHAT TO DO IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
09:06:24AM >> AMEN.
09:06:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, PASTOR.
09:06:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
09:06:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:06:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
09:06:34AM I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO MY COLLEAGUES.
09:06:38AM YOU MAY HEAR FROM MY VOICE THAT I AM AT HOME WITH COVID.
09:06:41AM AND THE FIRST TIME I HAVE GOTTEN IT.
09:06:44AM AND OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT GOING TO COME INTO CHAMBERS AND PUT
09:06:47AM EVERYBODY ELSE AT RISK.
09:06:48AM I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING THERE IN PERSON.
09:06:51AM I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S FLEXIBILITY.
09:06:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:06:57AM CAN WE GET A LITTLE MORE VOLUME ON COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:07:01AM PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
09:07:02AM WE WILL GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME.
09:07:05AM CHIEF, ARE YOU GOING TO HELP US THROUGH THE -- OKAY.
09:07:10AM I AM SORRY, MR. -- MR. SHELBY.
09:07:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE
09:07:18AM COUNCIL.
09:07:18AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:07:20AM I WILL BE BRIEF ON THE GUIDELINES.
09:07:23AM THE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC CAN ATTEND IN PERSON OR IN CITY
09:07:27AM COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR THIS REGULAR MEETING TO ARE VIRTUALLY
09:07:29AM PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING USED AS WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS
09:07:34AM COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
09:07:35AM THE INSTRUCTION OF THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S
09:07:39AM WEB PAGE AND ALSO THAT IS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL AND ALSO,
09:07:46AM COUNCIL, THAT -- JUST A REMINDER TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY IN
09:07:50AM PUBLIC HEARINGS THE USE OF CMT, PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED.
09:07:55AM AGAIN THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE AGENDA AND WILL BE
09:07:59AM AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE.
09:08:02AM THE PUBLIC OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ABLE TO
09:08:05AM WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW ON SPECTRUM 640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15.
09:08:09AM COUNCIL, CONSISTENT WITH THE AGENDA AND THE -- THE NOTICE OF
09:08:14AM THE HEARING, I WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL WAIVE THE RULES TO
09:08:19AM ALLOW CMT.
09:08:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
09:08:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:08:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:08:24AM ANY OPPOSED.
09:08:26AM THANK YOU.
09:08:26AM NOW WE WILL GO TO THE AGENDA ITEM.
09:08:29AM AGENDA ITEMS 1, 2 AND 3.
09:08:32AM THEY ARE CEREMONIAL.
09:08:34AM CHIEF, ARE YOU THERE?
09:08:46AM ARE YOU GOING TO BE GIVING US AN ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE?
09:08:55AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
09:08:57AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:08:59AM ONLY ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE COMES THROUGH ABBYE FEELEY'S
09:09:03AM OFFICE.
09:09:03AM SO, YES.
09:09:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:09:07AM AGENDA ITEMS 4 AND 5 WE ARE KEEPING ON.
09:09:10AM MISS FEELEY HAS ASKED -- EXCUSE ME, I AM SORRY THAT 7 AND 8
09:09:16AM BE HEARD TOGETHER.
09:09:17AM 9 I BELIEVE WANTS TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL NOVEMBER 3.
09:09:20AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:09:33AM ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGE 789.
09:09:36AM WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 9 UNTIL NOVEMBER 3.
09:09:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
09:09:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:09:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:09:46AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:09:51AM NUMBER 10.
09:09:53AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:09:57AM YES, MISS JOHNS, I THINK, WILL BE SPEAKING ON THAT, IF I MAY.
09:10:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NUMBER 11 WANTS TO ASK FOR A 30-DAY
09:10:07AM CONTINUANCE -- EXCUSE ME A LONGER CONTINUANCE UNTIL OCTOBER
09:10:12AM 20.
09:10:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CONTINUE TO OCTOBER 20, 2022.
09:10:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:10:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:10:20AM NUMBER 12, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:10:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, I THINK THEY ARE HERE.
09:10:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME, AND NUMBER 13 WILL BE HEARD WITH
09:10:32AM NUMBER 12 -- 13 AND 14 WILL BE HEARD.
09:10:35AM 15?
09:10:38AM THAT IS ALSO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:10:40AM 16.
09:10:42AM WE WILL BE HEARING THAT.
09:10:46AM I BELIEVE ABBYE -- EXCUSE ME MISS FEELEY, 18, 19, 20 AND 21
09:10:57AM IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER.
09:10:58AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, COUNCIL.
09:11:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:11:01AM CONSENT AGENDA.
09:11:08AM I BELIEVE THE ONLY THING THAT IS BEING PULLED, AND CORRECT
09:11:13AM ME IS 58.
09:11:17AM IS BEING REMOVED.
09:11:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO WITHDRAW 58.
09:11:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:11:31AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:11:32AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:11:33AM AYE.
09:11:37AM OKAY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER -- OH, WE HAVE TO OPEN THOSE AT
09:11:55AM 1:30.
09:11:55AM MOTION TO MOVE THE AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:11:59AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:12:01AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:12:04AM AYE.
09:12:05AM THANK YOU.
09:12:06AM WE WILL START WITH OUR FIRST CEREMONIAL ITEM.
09:12:09AM FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.
09:12:11AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:12:13AM [APPLAUSE]
09:13:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, HONORABLE
09:13:21AM COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:13:22AM MY PLEASURE TO BE STANDING WITH THE CHIEF OF THE LOGISTICS &
09:13:27AM ASSET MANAGEMENT ALSO KNOWN AS LAM AND ALL THE INDIVIDUALS
09:13:31AM THAT WORK UNDER THAT GREAT, GREAT DEPARTMENT.
09:13:33AM WITHOUT THEM, THE DOORS WOULDN'T OPEN, THE TOILETS WOULDN'T
09:13:37AM FLUSH, THE ELECTRICITY WOULDN'T WORK, THE BUILDING WILL BE
09:13:40AM DILAPIDATED AND THE PAINT WILL BE FALLING OFF ALL THE
09:13:43AM BUILDINGS, INDOORS AND OUTDOORS.
09:13:45AM ANY TIME YOU COME HERE, YOU THINK THEY ARE IN THE CIRCUS
09:13:49AM HANGING SOMEWHERE FROM THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WITH A
09:13:51AM DRILL AND JUST DRILLING AWAY TRYING TO FIND WHATEVER THE
09:13:55AM PROBLEM IS.
09:13:56AM AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO STOP AND LEAVE HER TO SPEAK OF
09:14:01AM THE DEPARTMENT SHE IS IN CHARGE OF.
09:14:03AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MARLOWE, ADRI COLINA DIRECTOR OF
09:14:10AM FACILITIES AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
09:14:11AM MY PRIVILEGE AND HONOR TO WORK ALONGSIDE THESE SKILLED,
09:14:16AM TALENTED AND DEDICATED TRADES WORKERS.
09:14:20AM HVAC, GENERAL PLUMBERS, ALL THE TRADES, ALL OF THEM.
09:14:26AM NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AT TRADESMEN DAY BUT WE ARE TRADES
09:14:32AM WORKERS LOOKING TO OPEN IT TO WOMEN.
09:14:33AM WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD APPLICANTS.
09:14:35AM BUT I EXPECT THANK THIS TEAM ENOUGH.
09:14:38AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS RIGHT, FROM CITY HALL TO THE REC
09:14:42AM CENTERS TO THE FIRE STATION.
09:14:43AM THIS IS THE TEAM BEHIND THE SCENES AND I AM JUST SO PROUD
09:14:46AM AND I CELEBRATE YOU, NOT ONLY TODAY BUT EVERY DAY.
09:14:49AM THANK YOU.
09:14:49AM [APPLAUSE]
09:14:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS YOU WELL KNOW DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY
09:15:02AM KEEP US SAFE.
09:15:03AM OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY KEEP US AWAY FROM FIRES AND
09:15:05AM EMERGENCIES TRAVELING TO AND FROM HOSPITALS, BUT THIS
09:15:08AM DEPARTMENT, THE ONE THAT KEEP THE BUILDINGS WHERE ALL OF US
09:15:11AM WORK NOT ONLY HERE BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WHERE YOU CAN
09:15:15AM COME IN AND OUT WITHOUT SOMETHING FALLING ON YOU.
09:15:17AM AND THESE DOORS THAT YOU SEE ALL THE ELECTRICAL DOORS.
09:15:21AM EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE THAT IS MODERNIZE.
09:15:23AM BULLET-PROOF WINDOWS -- I DON'T REALLY KNOW, AND I DON'T
09:15:30AM WANT TO KNOW.
09:15:30AM THEY DID ALL THE WORK.
09:15:32AM LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THESE GREAT PEOPLE, NO MATTER WHAT
09:15:36AM THEY EARN IN THE CITY, WHAT THEY WOULD EARN OUTSIDE WILL BE
09:15:39AM A LOT MORE BUT WOULDN'T HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WORKING FOR
09:15:42AM YOU.
09:15:42AM THEY ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE CITY AND BECAUSE
09:15:45AM THEY WANT TO BE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE
09:15:48AM ELSE CAN LOOK AT A BUILDING THAT IS IS A LITTLE OLDER THAN
09:15:51AM ME, THIS BUILDING HERE, AND BE IN TIP-TOP SHAPE LIKE IT IS.
09:15:55AM FOR ALL THE TRADESPEOPLE HERE, ALL OF YOU FROM THE TAMPA
09:16:00AM CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS, WE SAY THANK YOU.
09:16:03AM IF WE SAY THANK YOU IT WOULD BE AN UPROAR WHERE SOMEWHERE
09:16:10AM ELSE.
09:16:10AM IN RECOGNITION OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
09:16:13AM LOGISTICS & ASSET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT FACILITIES
09:16:15AM MANAGEMENT DIVISION CELEBRATION OF 2022 NATIONAL TRADES
09:16:20AM WORKERS DAY, IT IS WITH PLEASURE OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
09:16:23AM TO COMMEND AND RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR EXCELLENT SERVICE,
09:16:27AM APPRECIATION AND DEDICATION OF KEEPING OUR CITIES, PARKS
09:16:31AM SAFE, FUNCTIONAL AND SECURE.
09:16:34AM EACH OF THE 34 TRADES WORKERS PROVIDE SKILLED ESSENTIAL
09:16:38AM WORKERS IN MECHANICAL, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL TRADE TO
09:16:42AM VARIOUS CITY OF TAMPA DEPARTMENTS AND SERVING ALL OF THE
09:16:46AM CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
09:16:48AM ENSURE SAFE AND COMFORTABLE WORKING ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL OF
09:16:51AM US.
09:16:51AM PLEASE KNOW YOUR EFFORTS ARE RECOGNIZED AND VALUED.
09:16:54AM WE SAY THAT AGAIN.
09:16:55AM RECOGNIZED AND VALUED.
09:16:57AM THE CITY OF TAMPA FEEL VERY PROUD TO HONOR YOU THIS DAY AND
09:17:01AM THIS MORNING.
09:17:02AM YOU SHOULD BE HONORED EVERY DAY.
09:17:04AM WHAT YOU DO IS UNBELIEVABLE.
09:17:06AM WHO GETS THIS.
09:17:07AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:17:09AM TRAVIS, DO YOU WANT TO RECEIVE.
09:17:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WITH A NAME LIKE THAT, I AM NOT GOING TO
09:17:14AM PRONOUNCE IT.
09:17:14AM >> CLOSE ENOUGH.
09:17:16AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:17:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S GO TO COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:17:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:17:21AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THANK YOU FOR BRING THIS FORWARD.
09:17:24AM IT IS VERY THOUGHTFUL OF YOU TO HONOR THIS WORK AND WE HONOR
09:17:28AM ALL THE INDIVIDUALS HERE FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND
09:17:31AM KEEPING THE CITY RUNNING ON TIME.
09:17:33AM AND YOU ALL REPRESENT THE IDEA THAT YOU GET UP EVERY DAY AND
09:17:36AM YOU WORK HARD USING YOUR SKILLS THAT YOU HAVE FOR LIFE THAT
09:17:39AM NO ONE GOD WILLING EVER TAKE AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU ARE USING
09:17:43AM FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA TO KEEP US RUNNING ON TIME.
09:17:46AM FOR ME AND FOR EVERYBODY HERE, THAT IS A REALLY HONORABLE
09:17:49AM ENDEAVOR.
09:17:49AM IT REALLY, REALLY IS.
09:17:51AM I THANK YOU, GUYS ARE ARE EVERY DAY FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND
09:17:55AM WE APPRECIATE YOU.
09:17:56AM THANK YOU.
09:17:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:17:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
09:18:01AM YOU ARE ALWAYS WORKING HARD.
09:18:03AM TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING.
09:18:04AM EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU IS OUT THERE.
09:18:06AM IF SOMETHING COMES UP, YOU ARE THERE.
09:18:08AM DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DAY, WHAT TIME.
09:18:10AM YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING.
09:18:12AM YOU ARE THE UNSUNG HEROES.
09:18:14AM AS YOU KNOW WITH COVID, WITH REARRANGE THIS ROOM AND
09:18:18AM UPGRADES AND UPDATES HERE ON THIS FLOOR AND THROUGHOUT THIS
09:18:21AM BUILDING, YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE.
09:18:22AM SOME OF THE HARDEST -- IF NOT THE HARDEST WORKING
09:18:25AM INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FAMILY.
09:18:27AM WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.
09:18:29AM I KNOW SOME OF YOU.
09:18:30AM I SEE YOU.
09:18:30AM WE SAY GOOD MORNING.
09:18:32AM MAYBE THAT IS ALL WE SAY IS GOOD MORNING.
09:18:34AM HI, HOW ARE YOU.
09:18:35AM BUT KNOW THAT WE ARE WATCHING AND WE APPRECIATE BECAUSE WE
09:18:38AM KNOW HOW HARD YOU WORK.
09:18:39AM AND YOU DO A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL JOB.
09:18:41AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CONGRATULATIONS.
09:18:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:18:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SAY I RECOGNIZE SOME FACES IN THE
09:18:49AM CROWD BECAUSE I HAD THE PLEASURE OF HAVING YOU ALL DO SOME
09:18:52AM WORK FOR ME.
09:18:53AM SO I APPRECIATE IT, EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO, EVERYWHERE THAT
09:18:56AM YOU GO.
09:18:57AM THE CITY -- THE CITY BUILDINGS LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.
09:19:01AM EVERYTHING -- IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM IT IS FIXED RIGHT AWAY,
09:19:04AM AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT YOU.
09:19:06AM THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK.
09:19:08AM I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING MORE OF YOU.
09:19:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:19:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM LOOKING FOR MY MAN.
09:19:14AM I DON'T SEE HIM ANYWHERE.
09:19:17AM I CALL HIM BIG MAN.
09:19:18AM WHERE IS HE AT?
09:19:20AM THERE HE IS.
09:19:21AM THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE.
09:19:23AM THAT IS MY MAN.
09:19:25AM THAT'S MY MAN RIGHT THERE.
09:19:26AM THAT'S MY MAN.
09:19:27AM AGAIN, WHEN CALLED UPON, YOU GET THE JOB DONE, JOBS THAT
09:19:32AM PEOPLE CAN'T DO, DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO, DON'T WANT TO DO.
09:19:35AM WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO.
09:19:37AM PAINTING OUR OFFICE.
09:19:39AM PEOPLE COME IN.
09:19:40AM WANT A DIFFERENT COLOR.
09:19:41AM RUSH TO DO IT.
09:19:42AM CHANGING LIGHT BULBS AND DOOR LOCKS.
09:19:48AM EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING.
09:19:50AM CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS TODAY.
09:19:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:19:58AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO THANK YOU AS WELL.
09:20:00AM BECAUSE YOU DO YOUR JOB SO WELL YOU ENABLE US IN THE REST OF
09:20:04AM THE BUILDING TO GET OUR JOBS DONE.
09:20:05AM IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT, NONE OF THE REST OF THE CITY
09:20:08AM COULD FUNCTION.
09:20:09AM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:20:10AM ONE LAST THING.
09:20:11AM I WAS LOOKING AT OLD PICTURES, ANTIQUE PICTURES OF THE CITY
09:20:15AM OF TAMPA A FEW DAYS AGO, AND VERY PROUD THAT THIS BUILDING
09:20:18AM THAT YOU ALL ARE IN IS STILL THERE AND YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF
09:20:22AM KEEPING UP THIS IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING AS WELL AS THE
09:20:27AM REST.
09:20:27AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:20:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU KNOW I PASS ALL OF YOU NO MATTER HERE AT
09:20:31AM CITY HALL OR OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND I SAY I NEED THIS OR I
09:20:35AM NEED A CUPLER FOR THAT AND I NEED THIS AND MY AID NEEDS
09:20:38AM SOMETHING.
09:20:38AM I AM ALWAYS SAYING THAT I NEED SOMETHING FROM YOU.
09:20:41AM TODAY I AM SAYING I NEED YOU.
09:20:47AM CITY NEEDS YOU.
09:20:49AM THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF OUR FAMILY.
09:20:51AM THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO
09:20:53AM [APPLAUSE]
09:21:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, THAT THE JACKSON HOUSE BEHIND
09:21:15AM YOU?
09:21:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE DEAN MITCHELL PAINTING.
09:21:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHAT IS ON YOUR
09:21:30AM COFFEE MUG.
09:21:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE DO.
09:21:32AM ONE FOR MARTHA VILA AND ALSO THE YBOR CITY ONE.
09:21:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OH, OKAY.
09:21:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN .
09:21:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MIRANDA IS MR. SPEARMAN HERE.
09:21:55AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: I AM.
09:21:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS PRESENTATION IS GIVEN SO OFTEN TO
09:22:01AM THIS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE EVERY TIME YEAR AFTER YEAR THEY WIN
09:22:06AM AN AWARD.
09:22:07AM RECOGNITION FOR NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL WHO RUNS THE
09:22:09AM DEPARTMENT BUT EVERY INDIVIDUAL WHO WORKS THERE AND DOES
09:22:13AM YEOMAN'S WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S PROCUREMENT AND
09:22:17AM EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT IS AT THE HIGHEST
09:22:20AM STANDARD.
09:22:20AM PRESENTED TO GREGORY SPEARMAN, CPPO, DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING
09:22:26AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA PURCHASING DEPARTMENT.
09:22:28AM ANNUAL ACHIEVEMENT OF EXCELLENCE AND PROCUREMENT AWARD FOR
09:22:32AM 2022 PRESENTED BY THE NATIONAL PROCUREMENT INSTITUTE.
09:22:35AM THE AWARD IS DESIGNED TO RECOGNIZE PROFESSIONALISM,
09:22:40AM PRODUCTIVITY, LEADERSHIP, ATTRIBUTED TO THE PROCUREMENT
09:22:43AM FUNCTION AND EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE THAT YOU AND YOUR
09:22:45AM PURCHASING DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED THIS AWARD ONLY 16 TIMES.
09:22:50AM [LAUGHTER]
09:22:52AM I THINK -- IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
09:22:54AM BUT 16 TIMES MEANS A LOT.
09:22:56AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: IT DOES.
09:22:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GREGORY, THE AWARD IS BECAUSE OF YOUR
09:23:04AM LEADERSHIP FOR MANY YEARS AND YOUR DEDICATION AND
09:23:08AM KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF AND THEY ARE VERY FORTUNATE TOO HAVE
09:23:11AM LEADERS LIKE YOU GUIDING THIS OUTSTANDING STAFF.
09:23:14AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:23:15AM THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS PROUD TO PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION
09:23:19AM TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF PRESENTED 15th DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2022.
09:23:24AM IF I ASK YOU MR. SPEARMAN, AND I KNOW WE HAVEN'T AT ALL
09:23:28AM TALKED ABOUT THIS, SAY HOW THIS AWARD IS DONE BY THE
09:23:31AM NATIONAL INSTITUTE.
09:23:33AM AND HOW MANY TIMES AND WHY.
09:23:34AM AND ALL THE CITIES GET ONE.
09:23:37AM THAT KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC
09:23:40AM UNDERSTANDS THAT.
09:23:41AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CITY.
09:23:47AM THIS AWARD IS BASED ON A NUMBER OF CRITERIA.
09:23:50AM TO GIVE YOU A SHOW AND TELL.
09:23:52AM THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
09:23:53AM WE HAVE 16 OF THESE IN OUR SHOWCASE IN PURCHASING ON THE
09:23:57AM SECOND FLOOR.
09:23:58AM IN FACT WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT GETTING A NEW TROPHY CASE
09:24:01AM BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM.
09:24:03AM I WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
09:24:05AM BUT TO ANSWER COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S QUESTION, SOME OF THE
09:24:08AM CRITERIA THAT IS USED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE
09:24:12AM ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:
09:24:15AM PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR STAFF.
09:24:18AM MAINTAINING CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IN TERMS OF PURCHASING
09:24:22AM OPERATIONS.
09:24:22AM PROCUREMENT, CUSTOMER SERVICE SURVEY.
09:24:27AM INTERNAL CUSTOMER SERVICE TRAINING, VENDOR TRAINING,
09:24:32AM CENTRALIZED VENDOR,PCOG PROGRAM, PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION
09:24:39AM OF STAFF.
09:24:39AM THESE ARE THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT STAND BEHIND ME THAT MAK
09:24:44AM IT WORK EVERY DAY IN PROCUREMENT, IN TERMS OF OF PROVIDING
09:24:47AM ALL THOSE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE
09:24:52AM CITY OPERATE.
09:24:52AM I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY EXECUTIVE AIDE, MICHELLE
09:24:58AM BLIZZARD.
09:24:58AM MICHELLE, THERE SHE IS.
09:24:58AM [APPLAUSE]
09:25:01AM SHE DOES A LOT TO KEEP US GOING.
09:25:04AM MY BUSINESS AND SERVICES MANAGER.
09:25:07AM KEVIN MANAGES THE TEAMS OF BUYERS THAT A TAKE CARE OF
09:25:12AM THE RFPs, CONTRACT FOR BIDS, CONTRACTS AND RESOLUTIONS.
09:25:16AM AND DEANNA WHO HANDLES ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS, OUR P-CARD, FUEL
09:25:21AM CARD, INVENTORY.
09:25:23AM ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
09:25:24AM THEN, OF COURSE, MR. TONY WAREHOUSE.
09:25:37AM ONE OTHER FINAL NOTE, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHIEF OF
09:25:41AM STAFF FOR HIS SUPPORT AND THE MANAGER OF THE PURCHASING
09:25:44AM DEPARTMENT.
09:25:44AM OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY AND THE
09:25:48AM LEGAL SUPPORT WE GET FROM MARCELA HAMILTON.
09:25:53AM SHE IS HERE SOME PLACE.
09:25:55AM SHE KEEPS US OUT OF TROUBLE.
09:25:56AM ONE FINAL NOTE, COUNCIL, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE BREADTH
09:25:59AM OF THINGS WE ARE ASKED TO PROCURED FOR THE CITY.
09:26:02AM POLICE CARS AND ACCESSORIES, LIGHT BARS, SIRENS, COMPUTERS,
09:26:06AM THE STRIPING THAT GOES IN THE CAR, PLATFORM UNIFORMS,
09:26:10AM TASERS, AMMUNITIONS, HOLSTERS, THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, THE
09:26:16AM AMBULANCES, THE MEDICATIONS THAT GO ON THE AMBULANCES.
09:26:18AM WE RUN AND MAINTAIN THREE WAREHOUSES.
09:26:20AM WE MAINTAIN -- PROCURE SERVICES TO MAINTAIN THE TFR.
09:26:25AM JANITOR RALE SERVICES FOR ALL CITY BUILDINGS.
09:26:29AM LAWN MAINTENANCE.
09:26:31AM THE WELL CENTER FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, GASOLINE, TO RUN THE
09:26:37AM GARBAGE TRUCKS, ARMED AND UNARMED SECURITY, AND PLUMBING
09:26:44AM SERVICES AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
09:26:46AM WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENDATION AND WE ENJOY OUR
09:26:50AM PARTNERSHIP WORKING WITH YOU.
09:26:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME PRESENT THIS AS YOU ARE SPEAKING
09:26:53AM OF ALL THE THINGS.
09:26:55AM CAME TOGETHER, WORKING TOGETHER, WE STAY TOGETHER.
09:26:58AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU AND YOUR WHOLE STAFF.
09:27:02AM APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
09:27:04AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: THANK YOU
09:27:07AM [APPLAUSE]
09:27:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOLD ON, MR. SPEARMAN.
09:27:11AM [LAUGHTER]
09:27:13AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:27:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK, MR. CHAIR.
09:27:18AM THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND CONGRATS ON EVERYTHING.
09:27:22AM YOU HAVE A HUGE VOLUME OF WORK.
09:27:24AM AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:27:26AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: THANK YOU.
09:27:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:27:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS MR. MIRANDA SAID 16 STRAIGHT YEARS.
09:27:33AM STAND OUT WHEN YOU READ THE CRITERIA SHEET WAS NUMBER 2.
09:27:37AM I THINK THAT IS CRITICAL WITH A DEPARTMENT LIKE YOURS TO
09:27:41AM IMPROVE AND GET THINGS BETTER.
09:27:43AM ACCOLADES.
09:27:44AM YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THAT.
09:27:45AM EVEN THOUGH 16 YEARS, YOU CONTINUE TO DO WHAT COUNCIL SAYING
09:27:49AM TO MAKE IT BETTER AND PEOPLE ARE NOTICING.
09:27:51AM THANK YOU, SIR.
09:27:53AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:27:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
09:27:56AM I READ ALL THE CONTRACTS AND I KNOW WHAT YOU DO DAY IN AND
09:28:00AM DAY OUT.
09:28:00AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ESPECIALLY FOR THE HARD WORK THAT
09:28:03AM YOU ARE DOING TO FIND NEW SMALL BUSINESSES TO WORK WITH AND
09:28:07AM THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.
09:28:10AM YOUR TEAM IS ALREADY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND IS NOW GOING
09:28:15AM EVEN MORE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND IT IS NOTICED AND WE REALLY
09:28:18AM APPRECIATE IT.
09:28:18AM AND MR. SPEARMAN BROUGHT FORWARD TO ME SEVEN OF THE
09:28:22AM CONTRACTS THAT DID MEET THE CRITERIA WE HAD THIS WEEK.
09:28:26AM AND BECAUSE THEY ARE ON CONSENT WE DON'T GET TO CELEBRATE IT
09:28:29AM ALL THE TIME.
09:28:30AM I WANT TO CELEBRATE YOU TODAY AND SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR
09:28:33AM HARD WORK AND CONTINUING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE FORWARD SO WE
09:28:36AM ARE A CITY THAT OTHERS CAN LOOK AT TO TRY TO EMULATE.
09:28:39AM THANK YOU.
09:28:39AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: THANK YOU.
09:28:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:28:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LOOK HOW LUCKY WE ARE.
09:28:44AM WE JUST RECOGNIZED FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.
09:28:47AM AND WHAT A WONDERFUL TEAM THAT WORKS SO HARD.
09:28:50AM AND NOW YOU AND YOUR TEAM, 16 YEARS OF EXCELLENCE.
09:28:54AM YOU ARE THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL, SIR, YOU AND EVERYBODY
09:28:58AM WITH YOU TODAY.
09:28:59AM KEEP THE CITY RUNNING.
09:29:01AM WE ARE PART OF A FAMILY.
09:29:03AM AND YOU REALLY MAKE US PROUD.
09:29:06AM YOU ARE THERE DOING THE WORK, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, TAKING
09:29:10AM CARE OF THE CITY, TAKING CARE OF THESE CONTRACTS, BUT IN A
09:29:14AM PROFESSIONAL MANNER THAT IS UNMATCHED.
09:29:16AM THAT IS WHY WHEN YOU GET THESE AWARDS, THEY ARE TRULY -- YOU
09:29:19AM ARE TRULY DESERVING OF IT.
09:29:20AM YOU AND EVERYONE WITH YOU.
09:29:22AM WE THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.
09:29:24AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: THANK YOU.
09:29:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:29:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:29:28AM THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT ALL OF YOUR TEAM DOES.
09:29:32AM WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY.
09:29:33AM SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR CITY, PURCHASING AND ANY BIG
09:29:38AM MUNICIPALITY AND CITY AND YOU DO IT SO WELL AND MR. SPEARMAN
09:29:43AM IS A KIND, GENTLE AND PROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUAL.
09:29:46AM SO WE JUST APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU.
09:29:48AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:29:50AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: THANK YOU.
09:29:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SPEARMAN, A PLEASURE KNOWING YOU AND
09:29:53AM YOUR STAFF.
09:29:54AM YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB ON ALL SORTS OF FRONTS,
09:29:58AM BUT NOBODY WANTS TO EVER THANK YOU FOR SAVING US MONEY.
09:30:03AM THANK YOU FOR SAVING US MONEY.
09:30:07AM >>GREG SPEARMAN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, APPRECIATE YOUR
09:30:12AM COMMENTS.
09:30:13AM [APPLAUSE]
09:30:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, GUYS, VERY MUCH.
09:30:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE A GOOD DAY.
09:30:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
09:30:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:30:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LADIES.
09:31:01AM WELL, GENTLEMEN -- AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS, GOOD
09:31:07AM MORNING.
09:31:07AM I HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF GOING TO A CONFERENCE A
09:31:12AM COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
09:31:14AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS THERE AS WELL.
09:31:16AM GREAT CONFERENCE.
09:31:18AM LEARNED SOME NEW THINGS.
09:31:20AM I WAS ALSO ABLE TO THROW OUT SOME NEW WORDS AND HEAR WHAT
09:31:24AM PEOPLE ARE THINKING.
09:31:26AM I WAS TOLD THAT OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT WAS GETTING AN AWARD.
09:31:30AM I AM LIKE OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS GETTING AN AWARD.
09:31:34AM THEY SAID THE INFILL HOUSING.
09:31:36AM ASKED SEVERAL TIMES OF GETTING US THE NUMBERS ON VACANT
09:31:41AM UNUSED LAND IN THE CITY.
09:31:43AM AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HEARD US AND MRS. HENDERSON
09:31:47AM CREATED THIS PROGRAM TO PUT OUR INFILL HOUSING TO WORK,
09:31:50AM WHICH I AM VERY PROUD OF.
09:31:52AM I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL RIBBON CUTTING FOR THAT PROGRAM.
09:31:56AM I AM ECSTATIC AND ELATED THAT THEY GOT THE JOB DONE AND
09:32:01AM RECOGNIZED THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR THE JOB THAT
09:32:04AM THEY DID.
09:32:04AM I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.
09:32:07AM EVERYONE KNOWS THAT HOUSING IS A CRITICAL ISSUE FOR US IN
09:32:11AM OUR CITY AND FOR US TO BE A FRONT RUNNER TO A LEADER, I WAS
09:32:16AM VERY PROUD TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
09:32:17AM SO I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND ABBYE AND, OF
09:32:22AM COURSE, THE NEW BOSS, MISS TRAVIS.
09:32:24AM WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL LET YOU OR YOUR BOSS EXPLAIN
09:32:29AM WHAT TRANSPIRED WITH THE AWARD AND TALK ABOUT CAN YOUR
09:32:33AM COMMENDATION.
09:32:34AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:32:37AM NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR OF.ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
09:32:44AM I WILL LET KAYON TALK ABOUT THIS.
09:32:48AM BUT I WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THIS TEAM.
09:32:51AM A SMALL BUT MIGHTY TEAM, EVERY WEEK WE ARE BEFORE YOU
09:32:55AM TALKING OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND HOW TO BE INNOVATIVE TO
09:32:59AM BEST SERVE THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA DURING A REALLY
09:33:02AM UNPRECEDENTED TIME WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH HOUSING.
09:33:04AM THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE IS JUST A FEW OF US UP HERE TO
09:33:08AM RECEIVE THIS AWARD, BUT REALLY, WE HAVE, LIKE,
09:33:14AM 30 PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE WORKING DAY AND NIGHT TRYING TO COME
09:33:18AM UP WITH DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS THAT YOU ARE FACED WITH ON A
09:33:22AM WEEKLY BASIS.
09:33:23AM SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
09:33:25AM THE INFILL PROGRAM IS -- THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE.
09:33:30AM WE ARE LAUNCHING THE THIRD PHASE THIS FALL.
09:33:33AM AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CRA BOARD SHOULD BE PROUD OF
09:33:41AM THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROGRAM AND I WILL LET KAYON TALK TO YOU
09:33:45AM ABOUT THE DETAILS OF INFILL PROGRAM.
09:33:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:33:50AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING US AS NICOLE SAID.
09:33:53AM THERE IS A TEAM STILL BACK AT LEMON STREET WHO WORKS REALLY
09:33:57AM HARD TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THIS IS POSSIBLE.
09:33:59AM WE ARE IN OUR SECOND PHASE OF OUR INFILL PROGRAM WHERE WE
09:34:02AM ARE ACTIVATING VACANT LOTS THAT WE PROVIDE TO DEVELOPERS TO
09:34:05AM BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO THOSE WHO ARE 140% BELOW THE
09:34:11AM MEDIAN INCOME.
09:34:12AM LOW TO MODERATE-INCOME HOUSEHOLDS IN THE SECOND
09:34:17AM PHASE REALLY IN FOUR YEARS, WE WILL HAVE 112 HOMES THAT ARE
09:34:20AM GOING TO BE SOLD TO THOSE WHO ARE LOW TO MODERATE-INCOME
09:34:24AM FAMILIES.
09:34:25AM ONE OF THE THINGS I CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY AT THE
09:34:28AM CITY FOR, I REALLY THANK ADMINISTRATION FOR TRUSTING THE
09:34:31AM PROCESS OF THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO GO FORWARD AND
09:34:33AM CONVEY THESE LOTS TO THESE DEVELOPERS.
09:34:37AM WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR LEGAL TEAM BECAUSE WE CONSTANTLY
09:34:41AM GO TO LEGAL TO TRY TO GET THIS.
09:34:43AM REALLY A HUGE APPROACH TO GET EVERYTHING DONE FROM
09:34:45AM CONSTRUCTION TEAM AND BEING ABLE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL WITH
09:34:53AM AGREEMENTS TO GET THEM APPROVED.
09:34:55AM LIKE NICOLE SAID, INFILL PHASE 3 COMING OUT IN NOVEMBER TO
09:35:00AM ACTIVATE ADDITIONAL LOTS AND HAVE PEOPLE IN HOUSEHOLDS WHO
09:35:05AM WANT TO BE HOMEOWNERS.
09:35:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, THERE YOU HAVE IT.
09:35:09AM AGAIN, IT WAS A GREAT CONFERENCE.
09:35:11AM EVERYBODY IS SAYING ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
09:35:13AM THE NEW WORD.
09:35:14AM NOTHING IS AFFORDABLE.
09:35:15AM WHAT IS WHAT I SAY "ATTAINABLE."
09:35:18AM WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, LET ME PRESENT THIS, CITY OF TAMPA
09:35:24AM COMMENDATION TO THE HOUSING DIVISION IN RECOGNITION OF THE
09:35:26AM CITY OF TAMPA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIVISION FOR YOUR HARD
09:35:29AM WORK AND DEDICATION TO DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN
09:35:33AM THE OUTREACH PROGRAM THE DIVISION WITH A VARIETY OF HOUSING
09:35:37AM PROGRAMS THAT ARE IMPROVED THE LIVES OF COUNTLESS RESIDENTS
09:35:40AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:35:41AM THE CITY'S HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM RECEIVED
09:35:45AM AN AWARD AT AFFORDABLE CONFERENCE AT THE SHIP ADMINISTRATOR
09:35:51AM ROUNDTABLE.
09:35:52AM PARTNERS WITH SMALL DEVELOPERS, MINORITY-OWNED COMPANIES
09:35:55AM WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT.
09:35:57AM THAT MAY NEVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE
09:36:02AM CITY PREVIOUSLY.
09:36:03AM 2021, IDENTIFIED AND AWARDED CRA ON VACANT LOTS TO 11 LOCAL
09:36:09AM MINORITY DEVELOPERS IN RETURN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
09:36:13AM FOR THE CREATION AND PROTECTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE
09:36:16AM CITY OF TAMPA.
09:36:17AM AND THE GOALS PROMISED TO ITS RESIDENTS ON THE HORIZON.
09:36:20AM THE CITY OF TAMPA -- CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
09:36:24AM PROUD TO PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
09:36:27AM COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT DIVISION WHO EXEMPLIFIES THE
09:36:32AM DEDICATION AND APPROACHES THAT EVERYBODY ADMIRES AND CHEERS
09:36:35AM FOR SUCCESS.
09:36:36AM THIS TEAM IS A GREAT ASSESS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:36:38AM 15th DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2022.
09:36:41AM CONGRATULATIONS.
09:36:41AM [APPLAUSE]
09:36:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:36:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN YOU DO
09:36:54AM THINGS FOR SOMEONE ELSE AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL OF YOU DO
09:36:58AM -- YOU ARE NOT DOING IT FOR YOURSELF BUT FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
09:37:01AM GIVE THEM A HAND UP, NOT A PUSH DOWN.
09:37:03AM ONE OF THE MOST REWARDING THINGS THAT YOU COULD EVER DO.
09:37:07AM YOU FEEL BETTER.
09:37:08AM YOU LOOK BETTER.
09:37:09AM AND CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE HELPING ALSO FEEL
09:37:12AM BETTER.
09:37:13AM AND TODAY'S SOCIETY A LOT OF US ARE LEFT BEHIND FOR WHATEVER
09:37:18AM REASON, AND YOU ARE YOU ARE THE ONES THAT GIVE THEM A HAND
09:37:21AM UP.
09:37:21AM CONGRATULATIONS.
09:37:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:37:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK: Y'ALL ARE ROCK STARS.
09:37:28AM LITERALLY ROCK STARS, WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU TOOK THIS FROM
09:37:31AM THE FIRST ITERATION TO THE SECOND ITERATION AND SAID WE CAN
09:37:35AM MAKE THIS BETTER AND WE CAN ADD -- WE CAN PROMOTE, INVITE IN
09:37:42AM SMALLER CONTRACTORS WHO NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO WORK WITH THE
09:37:45AM CITY AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY AND I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL
09:37:50AM RIBBON CUTTINGS TOO.
09:37:52AM THEY PRODUCED BEAUTIFUL HOMES.
09:37:55AM QUALITY THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN WITH DIGNITY THAT ARE
09:37:59AM ATTAINABLE.
09:38:00AM I AM GOING TO APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN GUDES' WORDS.
09:38:05AM ATTAINABLE.
09:38:06AM BUT WHAT I LOVE EVEN MORE THAT WITH THIS AWARD, YOU AREN'T
09:38:09AM STOPPING.
09:38:10AM THE NEXT PHASE IS GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING.
09:38:14AM WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP TRYING TO FIND NEW PEOPLE TO
09:38:18AM PARTNER WITH.
09:38:19AM WHAT I LOVE THE MOST ABOUT THIS AWARD IS YOU AREN'T JUST
09:38:23AM SAYING, YAY, WE DID THIS.
09:38:27AM LET'S KEEP GOING.
09:38:28AM YOU ARE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE MORE AND THAT TO ME IS MORE
09:38:32AM CELEBRATORY.
09:38:33AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONTINUING TO DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR
09:38:35AM POWER.
09:38:36AM YOU ARE A SMALL BUT MIGHTY TEAM.
09:38:39AM AND EVERY TIME WE COME TO YOU, THIS HOUSING CRISIS HAS BEEN
09:38:43AM OVERWHELMING FOR ALL OF US, BUT WE HAVE TIME WE COME TO YOU,
09:38:47AM YOU FIND A WAY -- NOT JUST A WAY, BUT A CREATIVE AND
09:38:52AM OUTSIDE-THE-BOX WAY.
09:38:54AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:38:55AM I LOVE WORK WITH YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING.
09:38:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:39:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
09:39:02AM LET ME SAY HOW MUCH I LOOK UP TO, RESPECT AND ADMIRE ALL OF
09:39:05AM YOU.
09:39:05AM WHEN WE SAY WE WANT TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST
09:39:09AM HERE IN TAMPA, YOU ARE THE EXAMPLES.
09:39:11AM YOU ARE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
09:39:14AM SO LUCKY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
09:39:16AM NICOLE TRAVIS, I PRAISED YOU PUBLICLY BEFORE AND I AM NOT
09:39:20AM GOING TO STOP.
09:39:20AM YOU, THE TEAM, ABBYE, EVERYBODY, YOU ARE HERE DILIGENTLY AND
09:39:27AM HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS.
09:39:29AM IF THERE IS NOT A SOLUTION, YOU LOOK FOR ANOTHER PATH
09:39:32AM FORWARD.
09:39:32AM BUT WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU HERE.
09:39:35AM THE SERVICE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, TO THE RESIDENTS IN THIS
09:39:40AM CRISIS OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND ATTAINABILITY.
09:39:44AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:39:45AM [CLAPPING]
09:39:47AM I KNOW YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTIONS AND YOU ARE DOING
09:39:50AM YOUR BEST.
09:39:50AM CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.
09:39:53AM WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE YOU.
09:39:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:39:56AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE
09:39:58AM HARD WORK THAT YOU DO.
09:39:59AM I KNOW IT IS REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATED.
09:40:02AM AND YOU ALL GET A LOT OF FIRES THROWN AT YOU INCLUDING JUST
09:40:06AM THIS CRISIS AND A LOT OF LAST-MINUTE REQUESTS, ETC.
09:40:10AM JUST KNOW WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:40:11AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU.
09:40:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:40:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:40:17AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
09:40:18AM AS MY COLLEAGUES SAID YOU ARE ROCK STARS AND APPRECIATE THE
09:40:22AM NEW TEAM MEMBERS THERE.
09:40:23AM WE ALL GET BLAMED FOR THE SINS OF THE PAST FOR ABOUT TEN
09:40:27AM YEARS THE CITY HARDLY FOCUSED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT ALL.
09:40:31AM AND YOU SEE EVERY WEEK THAT WE GET BLAMED.
09:40:34AM YOU ALL GET BLAMED.
09:40:36AM BUT WE KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT.
09:40:39AM WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF ABOUT 50,000 HOMES AND AN IMPOSSIBLE
09:40:43AM TASK.
09:40:43AM HAD YOU BEEN ON BOARD TEN YEARS AGO WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS
09:40:47AM PROBLEM NOW.
09:40:48AM WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT TEN YEARS TO PUT A BIG DENT IN
09:40:51AM IT.
09:40:51AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO.
09:40:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES, I AM SO PROUD OF YOU.
09:40:56AM YOU ARE MAKING DREAMS COME TRUE.
09:40:58AM THAT AMERICAN DREAM CALLED HOUSING.
09:41:03AM OF OWNING A HOME.
09:41:05AM OF PRIDE IN HOMEOWNERSHIP.
09:41:10AM YOU ARE MAKING THAT DREAM COME TRUE.
09:41:12AM I THANK YOU.
09:41:15AM YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RECOGNITION, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR
09:41:18AM HARD WORK
09:41:18AM [APPLAUSE]
09:43:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC
09:43:37AM COMMENT.
09:43:37AM IF ANYONE WISHES TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, WILL
09:43:41AM YOU PLEASE LINE UP, MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
09:43:46AM EVERYONE GIVING PUBLIC COMMENT WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DO
09:43:50AM SO.
09:43:50AM ANYONE CAN START AT THIS TIME.
09:44:11AM >> NATASHA GOODLEY, 2205 EAST 24th AVENUE.
09:44:25AM THANK YOU FOR BESTOWING UPON ME THE HONOR THE WAYS THAT THE
09:44:29AM CITY OF TAMPA CAN HELP TO PRESERVE BLACK HISTORY.
09:44:32AM I WILL BE READY FOR A FULL PRESENTATION IN NOVEMBER, IF YOU
09:44:34AM SIMPLY KNOW THE DATE, AND I WILL BE READY.
09:44:37AM BUT I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THAT AN ORDINANCE BE CREATED TO
09:44:41AM RESPECT OUR CEMETERIES.
09:44:42AM AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, WE DISCOVERED NUMEROUS BLACK
09:44:46AM CEMETERIES NOT PRESERVED WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:44:48AM THE COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY, THE CEMETERY AT 30th AND SLIGH,
09:44:53AM THE CEMETERY AT KING HIGH SCHOOL, ROBLES PARK, MEMORIAL PARK
09:45:00AM ROBLES PARK.
09:45:01AM ANY ACTIVITY ON LAND THAT IS DEEMED TO BE A CEMETERY.
09:45:05AM HURT MY HEART TO SEE ITALIAN CLUB CEMETERY STILL USING THE
09:45:09AM COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY AS THEIR PARKING LOT OR TO SEE THE
09:45:13AM CITY STORING EQUIPMENT AT TIMES ON CEMETERY AT 30th AND
09:45:16AM SLIGH.
09:45:16AM WE HAVE ALREADY FORGOTTEN THESE INDIVIDUALS, THE LEAST WE
09:45:19AM CAN DO IS RESPECT THEIR FINAL RESTING PLACE.
09:45:21AM THANK YOU.
09:45:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:45:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:45:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.
09:45:29AM I RECEIVED SEVERAL PHONE CALLS AND MY FAMILY LIVE ON THAT
09:45:35AM CORNER.
09:45:36AM AND A LOT OF THAT GOING AT PARKING, ESPECIALLY THE ONE AT
09:45:40AM 30th AND SLIGH.
09:45:40AM SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE RECORD ORDINANCE IN
09:45:45AM REFERENCE TO THAT.
09:45:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL SECOND IT.
09:45:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MOVE THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT COME BACK
09:45:52AM IN NOVEMBER WITH AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
09:45:54AM STATES THAT A KNOWN CEMETERY MUST BE TREATED AS SUCH.
09:45:59AM NO PARKING ON IT.
09:46:00AM NO STORING OF ITEMS.
09:46:01AM NO EVENTS HELD ON THIS PROPERTY, ETC.
09:46:03AM THE LAND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND CARRIED IN THE DIGNITY OF A
09:46:08AM CEMETERY.
09:46:09AM BRING THAT BACK FIRST DATE IN NOVEMBER -- NOVEMBER 6.
09:46:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:46:15AM >> SORRY, 3rd.
09:46:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOVEMBER 3.
09:46:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
09:46:22AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:46:23AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:46:25AM ANY OPPOSED.
09:46:26AM AYE.
09:46:27AM THANK YOU.
09:46:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:46:35AM BOB WHITMORE, 3111 HAWTHORNE.
09:46:39AM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CITY TREE.
09:46:41AM THIS MORNING 50 SCARED HUMAN BEINGS LANDED IN A STRANGE
09:46:46AM LAND.
09:46:46AM LURED ON A PLANE IN TEXAS USING STATE FUNDS AND FLEW INTO
09:46:52AM MASSACHUSETTS WITH NO IDEA WHERE THEY WERE GOING.
09:46:53AM PROMISED AT THE POINT OF DEEMBARKATION, THEY WILL BE TAKEN
09:46:59AM TO A PLACE TO BE PROCESSED FASTER TO BEGIN A NEW LIFE FOR
09:47:04AM THE LAND OF THE FREE.
09:47:05AM AUTHORITIES IN MARTHA'S VINEYARD DID NOT EXPECT THESE MEN,
09:47:08AM WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND ARE SCRAMBLING TO FIND HOUSING AND
09:47:11AM PROVISIONS FOR THEM FOR THESE HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE NOW IN A
09:47:15AM NORTHERN CLIMATE WHERE THE WINDS WILL SOON BEGIN TO BLOW AND
09:47:18AM THE SNOW BEGIN TO FLY AND SOON THESE MEN AND WOMEN
09:47:22AM REPORTEDLY FROM VENEZUELA WILL FACE SOMETHING THAT FEW OF US
09:47:25AM WILL WANT TO FACE WITHOUT A ROOF OVER OUR HEAD, PROPER COLD
09:47:29AM WEATHER GEAR.
09:47:30AM A NEW ENGLAND WEATHER.
09:47:31AM LIKE PLACING A BURNING BAG OF FECES ON THE BACK DOOR OF A
09:47:37AM NEIGHBOR AND STOMP IT OUT, I AM SURE THAT GAVE OUR GOVERNOR
09:47:41AM A GOOD LAUGH.
09:47:42AM BUT THE CHILDISH CRUEL STUNT DID NOT INVOLVE FECES, USED THE
09:47:48AM LIVES OF FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS WITHOUT THEIR WELL BEING AND HE
09:47:53AM DID IT IN THE NAME OF IN.
09:47:55AM WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH CITY POLITICS.
09:47:58AM WE ARE BLESSED TO LIVE IN A PROGRESSIVE AND OPEN-MINDED
09:48:01AM CITY AS REPRESENTED WHAT HAPPENS HERE TODAY AND THE PEOPLE
09:48:04AM WHO HAVE GOTTEN TO THESE BOARDS.
09:48:06AM A CITY WOULD CERTAINLY NEVER CONDONE THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING
09:48:09AM OF UNSUSPECTING AND DISADVANTAGED MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAD NO
09:48:13AM IDEA WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO LITERALLY.
09:48:15AM SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL AND THE
09:48:19AM MAYOR'S OFFICE TO DRAFT A LETTER EXPRESSING THIS CITY'S
09:48:23AM DISGUST, DISSENT, AND DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM THE ACTIONS OF
09:48:27AM THE GOVERNOR IN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION REGARDING THIS
09:48:31AM HEINOUS AND ILLEGAL ACTION.
09:48:33AM I LOVE FLORIDA.
09:48:33AM I LOVE TAMPA, AND I AM PERSONALLY TIRED OF CONTINUALLY BEING
09:48:39AM EMBARRASSED AND ASHAMED OF THE ACTIONS OF AN ADMINISTRATION
09:48:44AM THAT DOES NOT REFLECT IN ANY WAY THE GOOD AND COMPASSIONATE
09:48:51AM PEOPLE OF THIS CITY.
09:48:52AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:48:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:48:52AM [APPLAUSE]
09:48:55AM >> GOOD MORNING, KELLA McCASKILL.
09:48:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS McCASKILL, ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
09:49:01AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:49:03AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF I MAY, TO THE GENTLEMAN.
09:49:06AM I USUALLY DON'T COMMENT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:49:08AM I WILL BE GLAD TO MAKE THAT MOTION AT THE END.
09:49:11AM YOU KNOW AMONG MANY THINGS THAT GETS ME MAD ABOUT THAT,
09:49:15AM THOSE ARE VENEZUELANS IT APPEARS WHO ARE FLEEING A MADURO
09:49:22AM REGIME, AND THEY ARE BEING USED AS A POLITICAL PROP TO TROLL
09:49:29AM PEOPLE AND FEED MORE POLITICAL FAST FOOD TO A BASE.
09:49:31AM AND IT REALLY MAKES ME ANGRY.
09:49:33AM SO ACTUALLY I TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING.
09:49:36AM SOME ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND I WILL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
09:49:38AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:49:39AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:49:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMANS GUDES.
09:49:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, MR. MIRANDA.
09:49:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO PROBLEM.
09:49:47AM MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING A COURAGE TO COME UP AND
09:49:51AM SPEAK THAT WAY.
09:49:51AM IF THEY THINK THEY ARE USING FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES FOR
09:49:55AM THEIR BENEFIT, THEY ARE WRONG.
09:49:56AM 1970, THE HISPANIC POPULATION IN THE UNITED STATES OF
09:50:00AM AMERICA HAS GROWN BY 540%.
09:50:03AM LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, 540%.
09:50:07AM WE ARE NOW ALMOST 19% OF POPULATION OF ALL THE UNITED
09:50:11AM STATES.
09:50:11AM LET ME ALSO SAY THAT WHY SEND THEM TO MARTHA'S VINEYARD.
09:50:16AM JUST THINK OF THE IDEA WHY.
09:50:18AM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY.
09:50:20AM THEY WANTED TO SHOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN
09:50:25AM GOVERN.
09:50:25AM THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
09:50:28AM I AM ASHAMED TO SAY THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR THE HISPANICS AND
09:50:33AM OTHER RACES AND OTHER MIXES, MIAMI WOULD NEVER BE MIAMI.
09:50:36AM >> AMEN.
09:50:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND TAMPA WOULD NEVER BE TAMPA.
09:50:39AM >> NO, SIR.
09:50:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE LIVE IN A CITY NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE,
09:50:44AM WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, WHAT RACE, HOW TALL, HOW FAT YOU ARE,
09:50:48AM HOW SKINNY YOU ARE, EVERYONE IS ACCEPTABLE TO ONE ANOTHER.
09:50:52AM THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE IN.
09:50:54AM BY DOING THAT, I THINK A POLITICAL STUNT MAY BACKFIRE.
09:50:57AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:50:58AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:50:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:51:02AM MISS McCASKILL.
09:51:08AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
09:51:10AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:51:10AM KELLA McCASKILL IS MY NAME.
09:51:13AM I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
09:51:14AM MR. SHELBY, I MISS YOU.
09:51:16AM AND A TOKEN OF APPRECIATION, I WANT TO GIVE YOU -- I DON'T
09:51:20AM KNOW IF IT IS APPROPRIATE, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU AND YOUR
09:51:23AM WIFE DINNER TO YOUR FAVORITE RESTAURANT ESTABLISHMENT.
09:51:26AM YOU HAVE TRULY BEEN MISSED.
09:51:29AM NO PUN INTENDED ON MR. MASSEY.
09:51:32AM SO HELPFUL WHENEVER WE NEED IT.
09:51:34AM THIS MORNING, I'M HERE WITH PURE.
09:51:37AM CONCERNING PURE OF A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT.
09:51:39AM IN A MULTITUDE OF COUNCIL, THERE IS SAFETY.
09:51:42AM AND JUST -- I AM NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
09:51:45AM I AM NOT -- YOU KNOW, I AM NOT A CITY STAFF MEMBER.
09:51:49AM BUT JUST AS A HUMAN BEING, I -- I WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE MY
09:51:54AM BEST.
09:51:54AM WHEN I GIVE INFORMATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS FACTUAL.
09:51:57AM AS A PROFESSIONAL, I HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY.
09:52:02AM RESPONSIBLE TO GIVE PEOPLE FACTUAL INFORMATION WITH TRUTH.
09:52:07AM THAT IS NOT WHAT I FEEL I GET WHEN WE DEAL WITH THE
09:52:11AM ADMINISTRATION.
09:52:12AM THE PURE SITUATION CAME UP, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED
09:52:16AM UNFORTUNATELY COMES AT TIME WHEN THE CITIZENS -- WE DON'T
09:52:18AM NECESSARILY TRUST THE ADMINISTRATION.
09:52:21AM I MEAN OUR ADMINISTRATION IN THE MIDDLE OF A DOJ
09:52:24AM INVESTIGATION.
09:52:24AM WE FIND ABOUT IT ON A OOPS.
09:52:26AM THE WHOLE HANNA STREET SITUATION.
09:52:27AM THE WHOLE WITCH HUNT ON OUR MOST ACTIVE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:52:32AM THE WHOLE RECUSING THEMSELVES WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT FOR THEM
09:52:35AM IN TERMS OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
09:52:37AM JUST SO MUCH.
09:52:38AM WE ARE WORE OUT.
09:52:39AM AND WE NECESSARILY DON'T TRUST THE INFORMATION THAT IS BEING
09:52:43AM PROVIDED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AS IT RELATES TO PURE.
09:52:46AM WE ALREADY KNOW THAT NONE OF US ARE EXPERTS AS IT RELATES TO
09:52:49AM PURE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T GET SCIENTISTS AND
09:52:56AM SCIENTISTS TO COME BEFORE YOU AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:52:58AM THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT PRESENTED.
09:53:00AM FOR ME I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT IS
09:53:03AM PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY OR EVEN HERE AT CITY COUNCIL.
09:53:05AM SO WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US, AND IN LOOKING AT PURE AND
09:53:09AM LOOKING AT THE FACTUAL INFORMATION WE HAVE WITH THE PIPES, I
09:53:12AM SEE THE NEED FOR URGENCY WHEN IT RELATES TO THE PIPES.
09:53:15AM JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI HAVE PUT US ALL ON ALERT IF YOU HEARD
09:53:19AM ABOUT IT.
09:53:19AM THAT IS THE SITUATION.
09:53:21AM OUR PIPES ARE OVER 100 -- 100-PLUS-YEARS OLD 37.
09:53:28AM THAT IS FACTUAL.
09:53:29AM THAT IS DOCUMENTED EVERYWHERE.
09:53:31AM WHAT IS NOT CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT IS THE NEED NOR THE PURE.
09:53:34AM THEY DON'T ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTIONS LIKE, IS IT NECESSARY,
09:53:37AM ONE.
09:53:37AM IS IT SAFE, AND HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO COST.
09:53:40AM THREE BASIC QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE ANSWERS
09:53:43AM TO AND WE DON'T GET THAT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
09:53:45AM I BELIEVE BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE SEEN, I THINK WE
09:53:48AM WILL SURVIVE.
09:53:48AM I THINK WE HAVE SAFE WATER FOR ANOTHER 1 MOUNTAIN YEARS --
09:53:52AM 100 YEARS WITH AMPLE SUPPLY.
09:53:54AM THAT INFORMATION IS FOUND AND FACTUAL.
09:53:57AM I BELIEVE THAT TAMPA WILL SURVIVE WITHOUT PURE.
09:54:00AM DELAY THAT PURE DEAL UNTIL 2045.
09:54:03AM PUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN.
09:54:04AM SAY NO.
09:54:05AM THANK YOU.
09:54:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:54:07AM >> GOOD MORNING, PHIL COMPTON WITH THE 1100 MEMBERS OF
09:54:15AM FRIENDS OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
09:54:17AM ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS TALKING TO THE MAYOR AND HER TOP
09:54:20AM STAFF FOR TWO WEEKS ON NAME OF PURE.
09:54:23AM PURE IS A OLD IDEAS SOMETHING THAT PAM IORIO AND BOB
09:54:28AM BUCKHORN.
09:54:28AM PEOPLE SAID NO AND WE WILL SAY NO TO THIS MAYOR.
09:54:31AM PURE IS JUST TOILET TO TAP.
09:54:33AM OLD CONTAMINATED WATER IN NEW BOTTLES WITH THE NEW LABEL.
09:54:38AM WE ASK YOU TO SAY NO TO PURE.
09:54:40AM NO FOR CONTINUANCE OF THE FUNDING AMENDMENT.
09:54:43AM NO TO THAT FUNDING REQUEST.
09:54:44AM NO TO ANY FUTURE FUNDING.
09:54:47AM NO.
09:54:48AM DO WE NEED THIS WATER?
09:54:50AM NO.
09:54:50AM WE ARE GETTING PLENTY OF RAIN AS YOU CAN TEE FROM THE TAMPA
09:54:54AM TRIBUNE -- SORRY, TAMPA BAY TIMES.
09:54:56AM EVERY DAY ON THE BACK OF OUR SPORTS PAGE.
09:54:58AM WE ARE WITHIN ONE INCH OF ANNUAL AVERAGE RAINFALL.
09:55:03AM 49 AND A HALF INCHES.
09:55:04AM OUR SITUATION AND OUR FUTURE IS NOTHING LIKE CALIFORNIA.
09:55:07AM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR IS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF
09:55:10AM LAKE MEAD.
09:55:11AM IS THIS WATER SAFE?
09:55:13AM THE CITY TREATS AND TESTS OUR WATER TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS
09:55:18AM FEDERAL AND STATE STANDARDS FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY.
09:55:20AM BUT THIS WASTEWATER WILL HAVE AMOUNT OF EVERY DRUG, EVERY
09:55:24AM CHEMICAL ANYBODY GETS AT WALGREEN'S, HORMONES,
09:55:28AM ANTIDEPRESSANTS, YOU NAME IT.
09:55:31AM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE GRANDDAUGHTER DRINKS THAT HER ENTIRE
09:55:35AM LIFE AND IT BUILDINGS UP.
09:55:36AM FISH SWIM IN IT WITH EN THEY SPAWN.
09:55:40AM WE DON'T KNOW.
09:55:41AM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS WAY BEHIND OF ANY SAFETY STANDARDS
09:55:46AM FOR CONTAMINANTS.
09:55:47AM PFAS THAT WE KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE NONE OF IN OUR DRINKING
09:55:54AM WATER AND NO SAFETY MEASURES.
09:55:55AM BUT STAFF WANTS TO PUSH AHEAD REGARDLESS.
09:55:57AM PROBLEM IS WE WON'T KNOW IF IT IS SAFE UNLESS SAFETY
09:56:01AM STANDARDS FOR THE NEW CONTAMINANTS LIKE THE CONTAMINANTS WE
09:56:05AM ARE USED TO DEALING WITH.
09:56:06AM INSTEAD OF WATER QUALITY REPORTS OF HOW WE ARE COMPLYING
09:56:09AM WITH FEDERAL AND STATE DRINKING WATER STANDARDS -- AND I
09:56:11AM KNOW WE ARE -- WE HAVE TO STAMP CAVEAT EMPTOR ON OUR WATER
09:56:18AM BILLS.
09:56:18AM WE HAVE SIMPLY POINTED OUT THAT THE HUNDREDS OF STANDARDS
09:56:23AM FOR THE NEW CONTAMINANTS TO ASSURE SAFETY DO NOT YET EXIST.
09:56:27AM NOT YET FOR THE ENGINEERS AND ATTORNEYS TO SET THEM, BUT UP
09:56:30AM TO QUALIFIED SCIENTISTS TO EPA.
09:56:33AM THIS COULD COST A LOT.
09:56:35AM AND EASILY DOUBLE OUR UTILITY BILLS ONCE WE GET SAFETY
09:56:39AM STANDARD AND REBUILD WHAT IS ALREADY A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR
09:56:42AM PROJECT AND START ALL OVER TO TRY TO MAKE IT SAFE.
09:56:45AM AFFORDABLE CLEAN WATER IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND A
09:56:48AM GOVERNMENT TO WORKS ON OUR PROBLEMS IS A GOVERNMENT WE
09:56:52AM SHOULD HAVE.
09:56:52AM AS MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY COUNCIL OF SUSTAINABILITY AND
09:56:55AM RESILIENCE, END THIS TIME AND RESOURCES THAT IS HURTING OUR
09:57:00AM CAPACITY TO WORK ON REAL NEEDS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, CLEAN
09:57:03AM ENERGY, PREVENTING FLOODING TO NAME A COUPLE.
09:57:06AM VOTE NO.
09:57:07AM THANK YOU.
09:57:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:57:10AM >> GOOD MORNING, GARY GIBBONS.
09:57:19AM BUSINESS ADDRESS 3321 HENDERSON IN TAMPA.
09:57:23AM I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT -- VICE-CHAIR AND CHAIR OF THE TAMPA
09:57:29AM SIERRA CLUB AND PROUD TO SPEAK OF THE 2500 MEMBERS AND
09:57:33AM 13,000 FRIENDS AND ALLIES ON OUR E-MAIL LIST THAT LOOKED AT
09:57:36AM THE SIERRA CLUB FOR GUIDANCE ON IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL
09:57:40AM ISSUES AND ADVISING ALL OF THEM TO OPPOSE THE PURE PROJECT.
09:57:44AM I AM ASKING YOU THIS MORNING TO KILL THIS PROJECT.
09:57:46AM ALL THAT WE HAVE SEEN AFTER STUDY THIS PROJECT FOR MORE THAN
09:57:49AM 20 MONTHS IS THAT IT IS DANGEROUS, COSTLY AND UNNECESSARY.
09:57:53AM SPECIFICALLY, WE WANT OUT TO VOTE NO ON THE CONTINUANCE AND
09:57:57AM NO ON THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
09:57:59AM WE WORKED IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE CITY STAFF FOR MORE THAN 20
09:58:03AM MONTHS.
09:58:03AM AND WE HAD MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT LASTED AT LEAST 90 MINUTES
09:58:07AM EACH.
09:58:08AM AND THROUGHOUT THAT TIME, THE CITY STAFF HAS TOLD US THAT
09:58:11AM THE TEN-YEAR TIME PERIOD ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW TO BUILD A
09:58:15AM BIG PROJECT LIKE THIS IS A VERY, VERY SHORT TIME.
09:58:18AM YET TODAY, THEY ARE COMING AND ASKING FOR A LONG
09:58:22AM CONTINUANCE.
09:58:23AM NONE OF THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE URGENCY THEY HAVE BEEN
09:58:27AM SAYING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
09:58:29AM WE ALSO SUGGESTED TO THE CITY MANY TIMES THAT THEY WILL JOIN
09:58:32AM WITH ALL THE OTHER 167 MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE STATES WHO
09:58:36AM ARE ALSO UNDER THIS RIDICULOUSLY SHORT TIME FRAME TO ASK THE
09:58:39AM STATE LEGISLATURE FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE TEN-YEAR TIME
09:58:43AM FRAME TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 64.
09:58:45AM THE CITY IS NOT INTERESTED IN REQUESTING AN EXTENSION FROM
09:58:49AM THE LEGISLATURE.
09:58:50AM WHY NOT?
09:58:52AM THEY ASK FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE TODAY THOUGH.
09:58:55AM ARE THEY TRYING TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK SO THEY CAN SAY THEY
09:58:59AM HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO SELECT TAP AS THEIR ONLY ALTERNATIVE?
09:59:03AM THREE OF US FROM THE SIERRA CLUB MET WITH MAYOR CASTOR MORE
09:59:07AM THAN SIX MONTHS AGO TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS ABOUT PURE.
09:59:10AM BEFORE THAT MEETING, WE GAVE A LIST OF 17 QUESTIONS TO THE
09:59:14AM MAYOR AND HER STAFF.
09:59:16AM QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWERS TO FIND OUT AND
09:59:20AM GIVE REAL FEEDBACK ABOUT PURE.
09:59:22AM YET SIX MONTHS LATER, WE HAVE STILL NOT RECEIVED ANY ANSWERS
09:59:28AM TO THOSE 17 QUESTIONS NOR DID THE CITY DO PUBLIC OUTREACH
09:59:32AM AND REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN JULY WHEN THEY PROMISED
09:59:35AM THEY WOULD DO WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE COUNCIL ASKING FOR THE
09:59:39AM INITIAL FUNDING IN FEBRUARY.
09:59:40AM WE DID NOT OPPOSE THE INITIAL FUNDING BECAUSE SUPPOSED TO BE
09:59:46AM STUDYING ALTERNATIVES THAN PUT IT IN THE ACT WHICH INQUIRY,
09:59:50AM THE RESERVOIR AND THE LOWER RIVER AND IT WAS ALSO TO BE USED
09:59:54AM FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND EDUCATION.
09:59:56AM NONE OF THAT HAS OCCURRED.
09:59:58AM ON MONDAY, HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE AT SULPHUR SPRINGS AND
10:00:03AM TOLD THE MEDIA AND THE.PUBLIC THAT PURE HAVEN'T BEEN DECIDED
10:00:06AM YET.
10:00:06AM WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO.
10:00:09AM BUT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE WE CAN PUT IT IN THE RESERVOIR, IN
10:00:12AM THE LOWER RIVER, OR THE AQUIFER.
10:00:15AM FOLKS, THAT IS TAP, THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO FOR 20
10:00:19AM YEARS.
10:00:19AM UNTIL TELL US HOW THE WASTEWATER IS GOING TO BE CLEANED,
10:00:23AM WHAT CONTAMINANTS WILL BE REMOVED AND WHAT IS NOT GOING TO
10:00:26AM BE REMOVED, THEN DON'T PUT IT IN THE RIVER, DON'T PUT IT IN
10:00:31AM THE AQUIFER AND DON'T PUTS IT IN THE RESERVOIR.
10:00:33AM TAP WITH A NEW NAME AND THE FUNDING NEEDS TO STOP.
10:00:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:00:38AM [APPLAUSE]
10:00:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:00:43AM CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS GERALDINE ROGERS TOOMBS.
10:00:51AM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF PROTECTION STATE THAT RECLAIMED
10:00:55AM WATER SHOULD NOT BE APPLIED TO SURFACES OF VEGETABLES OR
10:00:59AM OTHER EDIBLE CROP THAT ARE NOT PEELED, COOKED OR THERMALLY
10:01:04AM PROCESSED BEFORE BEING CONSUMED.
10:01:06AM BUT YOU ARE CONSIDERING TO EXPOSE IT TO HUMAN ABOUT BEINGS.
10:01:12AM WHY WOULD IT BE OKAY TO UTILIZE SEWAGE WATER FOR PUBLIC USE?
10:01:17AM I AM IN COMPLETE OPPOSITION TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
10:01:21AM IMPLEMENTING A PLAN TO RECYCLE SEWER WATER.
10:01:24AM I KNOW YOU CALL IT WASTEWATER -- IN OUR DAY TO DAY USE.
10:01:29AM IT IS REASON TO CONCLUDE THERE WILL BE ENORMOUS
10:01:32AM ENVIRONMENTAL REPERCUSSIONS IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT
10:01:35AM PLAN.
10:01:35AM WE HAVE SEEN THE CONSEQUENCES OF CONTAMINATED WATER IN
10:01:40AM FLINT, MICHIGAN; JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI; AND EVEN NEW YORK,
10:01:47AM WITH THE INCREASE OF THE POLIO VIRUS THROUGH THE WATER
10:01:52AM SYSTEM.
10:01:52AM DEALING WITH COVID, THE MONKEY WHITE SOX AND WHO WHATEVER
10:01:58AM ELSE THAT WE KNOW GOING ON WITH THESE VIRUSES.
10:02:02AM IT IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE THESE FACTORS INTO CONSIDERATION
10:02:04AM WHEN YOU ARE MAKING THE DECISION.
10:02:06AM THE PROPOSAL TO RECYCLE SEWAGE WATER FOR PUBLIC USE IS TO --
10:02:10AM IS TOO DANGEROUS A PROJECT TO JEOPARDIZE THE HEALTH AND
10:02:14AM SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
10:02:16AM HAS YOUR STAFF PROVIDED ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT IT WILL NOT BE
10:02:22AM HARMFUL CHEMICALS -- EXCUSE ME HAS YOUR STAFF PROVIDED
10:02:28AM EVIDENCE THAT ALL HARMFUL CHEMICALS WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE
10:02:32AM WATER?
10:02:32AM WHO IS TO SAY.
10:02:33AM HOME WATER PURIFICATION WILL REMOVE ENOUGH POLLUTANTS OUT OF
10:02:40AM THAT RECLAIMED WATER.
10:02:41AM YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE PURIFICATION
10:02:45AM SYSTEM AND I MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT, BUT WHAT ARE THESE
10:02:48AM LOW-INCOME FAMILIES GOING TO DO?
10:02:51AM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE BOTTLED WATER AS A
10:02:54AM WAY OF LIFE.
10:02:54AM EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP IN COST.
10:02:57AM AND SO I JUST ASK AND PLEAD WITH YOU TO VOTE NO IN RECYCLING
10:03:05AM SEWAGE WATER FOR CITIZEN USE.
10:03:07AM THANK YOU.
10:03:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:03:09AM [APPLAUSE]
10:03:15AM >> HELLO, GOOD MORNING, KEITH JACOBS.
10:03:18AM AND I AM HAPPY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU TO
10:03:21AM SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RUSSO FAMILY AND THE PARKS AND
10:03:24AM RECREATION CONTRACT.
10:03:26AM I HAVE BEEN IN TAMPA OVER 35 YEARS.
10:03:29AM SPENT THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE HERE.
10:03:32AM I GREW UP ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:03:35AM I GRADUATED FROM THE HEART OF TAMPA, EAST TAMPA,
10:03:39AM HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
10:03:41AM I HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND THE POWER AND IMPACT THAT
10:03:44AM EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND SPORTS AND OTHER COMMUNITY
10:03:50AM ENTITIES HAVE ON THE SUCCESS OF CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:03:54AM I AM A COMMUNITY MEMBER, VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:03:58AM I MENTOR CHILDREN FROM GRADES KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12th
10:04:02AM GRADE THROUGH MY FREE AND ACCEPTED MASONRY WORK.
10:04:06AM I MENTOR KIDS THROUGH THAT.
10:04:08AM AND I AM ALSO A FRATERNITY, INC. BROTHER.
10:04:11AM I SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:04:14AM IN ADDITION TO THAT A 18-YEAR EDUCATOR.
10:04:18AM FORMER PRINCIPAL IN HILLSBOROUGH PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
10:04:22AM LESS OF A THIRD OF OUR STUDENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE AN
10:04:25AM ACTIVE OUTLET FOR THEM AFTER SCHOOL.
10:04:28AM AND AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM YOUR POSITION, YOU HAVE SEEN SAYING
10:04:33AM THAT 67% OF STUDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF
10:04:36AM EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES HAD NOT HAD A HOME OR RESPITE
10:04:41AM THAT EXTENDED BEYOND THE CLASSROOM AND THOSE KIDS TEND TO
10:04:44AM GET INTO MORE TROUBLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:04:45AM I AM TELLING THAT YOU PLACES LIKE HIT BACK TAMPA HAS BEEN A
10:04:51AM RESPITE FOR SO MANY KIDS.
10:04:53AM I WATCHED FIRSTHAND HOW KIDS WITH RACIAL BACKGROUNDS, ETHNIC
10:05:00AM BACKGROUNDS AND TALENT LEVELS COME TO A THAT IS CORRECT.
10:05:03AM FOR YEARS IT HAS SERVED AS A HOME FOR SO MANY FAMILIES
10:05:07AM REGARD WILLING OF THE TALENT LEVEL, THE RUSSO FAMILY TAKES
10:05:11AM THOSE KIDS IN.
10:05:12AM GIVES THEM SENSE OF CONFIDENCE AND HOPE AS THEY TRY TO
10:05:15AM MATRICULATE THROUGH THE KINDERGARTEN AND 12th GRADE SYSTEM,
10:05:19AM AND WILL PREPARE THEM FOR POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION.
10:05:22AM IN ORDER TO PREPARE THEM FOR POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION, THEY
10:05:27AM NEED HOBBIES AND CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY.
10:05:29AM WITHOUT A CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY LOSE HELP.
10:05:31AM MY OWN CHILD WHO HAS AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER IS PART OF THE
10:05:35AM WHO ORGANIZATION.
10:05:36AM WHEN HE JOINED THE ORGANIZATION FIVE YEARS AGO -- A SHY KID.
10:05:40AM DIDN'T SPEAK TO MANY PEOPLE.
10:05:44AM AVERAGE STUDENT.
10:05:45AM THE RUSSO BROTHERS INSTILLED A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE
10:05:48AM AND NOW HE HAS EXCELLED AND NOW IN 10th GRADE.
10:05:52AM A 3.86 GPA IN ALL HONOR AND AP CLASSES.
10:05:58AM A HIGHLY TALENTED BASEBALL ATHLETE WITH INTEREST FROM
10:06:02AM VARIOUS D-1 COLLEGE PROGRAMS, MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT, HE
10:06:06AM FEELS LIKE HE IS PART OF A COMMUNITY WHO ACCEPTS HIM FOR THE
10:06:09AM WAY HE IS.
10:06:09AM AND THAT EMBRASSES HIM AS FAMILY.
10:06:11AM THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE CONTRACTS WITH
10:06:14AM ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HIT FACTORY OUT SHALL -- THAT ARE
10:06:18AM OPERATING BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THE SENSE OF HOPE.
10:06:20AM SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
10:06:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TRAVEL SAFE, MY BROTHER.
10:06:26AM >> THANK YOU.
10:06:27AM >> HI, GOOD MORNING.
10:06:31AM STEFANIE DUNLOP.
10:06:33AM AND I'M HERE -- MY PLEASURE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF THE RUSSO
10:06:38AM BROTHERS OF PARKS AND RECREATION CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE.
10:06:40AM I AM GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT FROM MY HEART.
10:06:43AM MY SON, DREW, JOINED THE HIP FACTORY.
10:06:48AM MY HUSBAND, MY SON AND MYSELF WOULD NOT REALIZE IT WOULD BE
10:06:53AM A HUGE PART OF OUR LIFE AS ITS TODAY.
10:06:56AM MY SON WOULD LOVE TO BE HERE.
10:06:58AM BUT AT 15, HE IS AT SCHOOL WHERE HE SHOULD BE.
10:07:01AM BUT TWO THINGS HE WANTED ME TO SHARE WITH YOU.
10:07:04AM KEEP IN MIND A 15-YEAR-OLD TEENAGED BOY AND NOT FULL OF MANY
10:07:07AM WORDS NUMBER ONE, HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW THAT THE FACTORY
10:07:11AM ORGANIZATION AND THE RUSSO BROTHERS AND THE COACHES ARE
10:07:15AM AMAZING, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, AMAZING AND LEARNED SO MUCH AND
10:07:19AM GAINED SO MANY OF HIS BEST BUDDIES THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION.
10:07:22AM HE WANTED TO SHARE WITH ME, THAT HE IMPROVED HIS BASEBALL
10:07:27AM SKILLS.
10:07:27AM NOT THAT YOU CARE TO KNOW THAT, BUT THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED
10:07:31AM YOU TO KNOW.
10:07:31AM AS HIS MOTHER AND FULL OF FAR MORE WORDS THAN HE THESE DAYS,
10:07:37AM I DON'T DISAGREE AS THESE POINTS BUT THE ORGANIZATION AT
10:07:41AM WELLSWOOD PARK HAS DONE MORE FOR MY SON THAN BEING AMAZING
10:07:46AM AND TEACHING HIM BASEBALL SKILLS.
10:07:49AM I HAVE SEEN HIM DEVELOP INTO A PHENOMENAL YOUNG MAN.
10:07:52AM HE LEARNED SO MUCH NOT JUST THE RUSSO BROTHERS BUT THE
10:07:55AM COACHES ON-SITE AT WELLS WOOD.
10:07:57AM HE HAS LEARNED SELF-DISCIPLINE.
10:07:59AM HE LEARNED TIME MANAGEMENT.
10:08:00AM PETITION LEARNED HOW TO LOSE.
10:08:02AM HE HAS LEARNED WHO YOU TO WIN.
10:08:04AM HE LEARNED HOW TO BE A GOOD TEAM MATE.
10:08:07AM AND HE LEARNED HOW TO BE A LEADER.
10:08:09AM AND HOW TO DEAL WITH ADVERSITY.
10:08:11AM LIFE SKILLS THAT WILL CARRY ON LONG BEFORE ANY BASEBALL
10:08:15AM SKILLS HE DEVELOPED THROUGH WELLS WOOD THROUGH THOSE
10:08:18AM COACHES.
10:08:18AM ASK YOU THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERS WILL BE HOME TO HIT FACTORY
10:08:23AM FOR FAR MORE YEARS.
10:08:25AM I REMEMBER BEING IN THAT PART BEFORE MY SON JOINED HIT
10:08:28AM FACTORY AND BEFORE THE RUSSO BROTHERS HAD CONTROL OF THE
10:08:31AM PARK.
10:08:31AM I REMEMBER -- I HOPE NOT TO OFFEND -- BUT NOT SO GOOD
10:08:35AM SMELLS.
10:08:35AM THE LIGHTS WERE OUT.
10:08:36AM THE FIELDS WERE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.
10:08:39AM THROUGH THE YEARS PART OF THE HIT FACTORY ORGANIZATION, WE
10:08:42AM HAVE WATCHED THE RUSSO BROTHERS FIRST HAND WITH THEIR
10:08:45AM COACHES DEVELOP THAT PARK AND GIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT PARK
10:08:47AM THAT THESE YOUTH ARE ABLE TO ENJOY AND ABLE TO FLOURISH
10:08:51AM FROM.
10:08:51AM SO I AM TELLING YOU THESE KIDS, THE BOYS AND THE GIRLS, ARE
10:08:56AM NOT JUST LEARNING BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL SKILLS BUT BECOMING
10:09:00AM YOUNG ADULTS IN FRONT OF OUR EYES.
10:09:02AM IN THE WORLD FULL OF NEGATIVITY, ASK THAT YOU NOT TAKE
10:09:06AM SOMETHING AWAY FROM OUR YOUTH.
10:09:08AM NOT ONLY WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS BUT NEEDS IT AT WELLS WOOD
10:09:12AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:09:12AM PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
10:09:14AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:09:14AM [APPLAUSE]
10:09:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:09:24AM SCOTT POWELL.
10:09:25AM I AM FROM SOUTH TAMPA.
10:09:26AM I'M HERE ALSO TO SPEAK ABOUT PAUL RUSSO AND HIS
10:09:29AM ORGANIZATION.
10:09:29AM HE ASKED ME TO COME HERE TO BASICALLY TELL MY SON'S STORY.
10:09:34AM MY SON HAD ALWAYS BEEN A BASEBALL PLAYER.
10:09:37AM CAME UP THROUGH THE SOUTH TAMPA AND TEMPLE TERRACE BEFORE
10:09:39AM THAT.
10:09:39AM STARTED OFF AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
10:09:42AM MADE THE JUNIOR VARSITY TEAM AS A FRESHMAN, ALSO PLAYED AS A
10:09:47AM SOPHOMORE EARLY ON IN THAT YEAR, GOT BROUGHT UP TO THE
10:09:52AM VARSITY TEAM.
10:09:53AM AND, OF COURSE, IT IS A GOOD SCHOOL.
10:09:55AM GOOD TALENT.
10:09:57AM HE WAS YOUNG.
10:09:58AM HE ONLY PLAYED A LITTLE BIT.
10:09:59AM THE COACH WAS ALWAYS ON HIM ABOUT HIS WEIGHT.
10:10:01AM HE WAS A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER AT THE TIME.
10:10:04AM THE COACH SAID, LOOK, I KNOW YOU CAN HIT, BUT YOU ARE NOT
10:10:08AM GOING TO START AT THIS SCHOOL UNTIL YOU ARE IN SHAPE.
10:10:11AM GOES THROUGH THE JUNIOR YEAR ON VARSITY.
10:10:14AM COACH IS ON HIM.
10:10:16AM REALLY DRILLING HIM.
10:10:17AM AS YOU KNOW NOT ALL COACHES HAVE TERRIFIC EXPERIENCE.
10:10:21AM SOMETIMES JUST DOING IT FOR THE STIPE PENNED.
10:10:23AM SOMETIMES THEY ARE NOT TERRIFIC WITH KIDS WHICH IS AN
10:10:26AM EXAMPLE IN THIS CASE.
10:10:27AM GOES INTO HIS SENIOR YEAR.
10:10:30AM USUALLY THE MOST CELEBRATED TIME OF A HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE'S
10:10:34AM CAREER.
10:10:34AM MY SON, DREW, ALSO WITH THE PROGRAM FOR SIX YEARS, UNRELATED
10:10:39AM TO THE LAST DREW, DECIDES -- COMES TO ME AND SAYS I DON'T
10:10:42AM WANT TO PLAY MY SENIOR YEAR OF BASEBALL.
10:10:45AM WE THOUGHT HE WOULD GO ON AND PLAY AND FURTHER HIS CAREER.
10:10:48AM AND THOUGHT OKAY, HE HAS CHANGED HIS MIND.
10:10:52AM HE IS DONE WITH BASEBALL.
10:10:54AM HE SAID I AM GOING TO CONTINUE WITH BASEBALL AND CONTINUE TO
10:10:58AM PLAY WITH PAUL.
10:10:59AM I WANT TO CONTINUE MY DREAM AND PLAY IN COLLEGE.
10:11:01AM OF COURSE, SKEPTICAL.
10:11:03AM OKAY.
10:11:03AM YOU ARE NOT PLAYING IN HIGH SCHOOL ANYMORE.
10:11:06AM WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT.
10:11:07AM WE DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF IT.
10:11:08AM DREW BELIEVED IN AND CONTINUED TO WORK HARD AND WORK WITH
10:11:13AM PAUL AND HIS ORGANIZATION.
10:11:14AM THROUGH -- AFTER HE HAD GRADUATED THROUGH A VERY SIR CUTE US
10:11:20AM IT ROUTE, HE SECURED HIM A FULL SCHOLARSHIP TO BASEBALL.
10:11:23AM HE PLAYED THE NEXT TWO YEARS FOR FREE AT A JUNIOR COLLEGE IN
10:11:27AM ALABAMA.
10:11:28AM FROM THERE, HE HAS PARLAYED THAT INTO A FOUR-YEAR SCHOOL
10:11:32AM DOWN IN THE UNIVERSITY OF FT. LAUDERDALE, CONTINUING TO PLAY
10:11:34AM BASEBALL.
10:11:34AM CONTINUING THAT DREAM THAT HE HAS HAD SINCE HE WAS LITTLE.
10:11:38AM THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR PAUL
10:11:43AM RUSSO'S ORGANIZATION AND THE DRIVE AND BELIEF THAT HE HAS
10:11:47AM FOR HIM.
10:11:47AM SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT REALLY IS GOING ON WITH THIS MEETING
10:11:51AM TODAY, BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS
10:11:54AM TAMPA IS A BASEBALL HOT BED AND WE HAVE FIVE OR TEN PEOPLE
10:11:59AM DRAFTED EVERY YEAR AND 10 AND 20 KIDS THAT GO TO D-1 SCHOOLS
10:12:05AM THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS.
10:12:06AM BUT HUNDREDS OF KIDS IN PROGRAM THAT NOBODY KNOWS BUT PAUL
10:12:11AM AND HIS COACHES AND WORK WITH THEM TO CONTINUALLY GET
10:12:14AM SCHOLARSHIPS WHERE IT CAN BE FOUND.
10:12:16AM IT TOOK MY SON GOING TO ALABAMA OUT OF STATE WHERE THEY WANT
10:12:19AM THE FLORIDA PLAYERS.
10:12:21AM AND THEY GAVE HIM A FULL SCHOLARSHIP FOR TWO YEARS.
10:12:24AM THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF HE LISTENED TO HIS COACH.
10:12:27AM THAT'S IT.
10:12:28AM OKAY, WE ARE DONE.
10:12:29AM I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.
10:12:30AM SORRY FOR GOING A LITTLE BIT OVER.
10:12:33AM BUT THANK YOU.
10:12:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SIR, TO YOUR POINT, MORE HALL OF FAME
10:12:38AM BASEBALL PLAYERS PER CAPITA FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA THAN ANY
10:12:42AM OTHER CITY IN THIS NATION.
10:12:45AM THANK YOU.
10:12:46AM >> UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
10:12:57AM WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:13:00AM MENTESNOT.
10:13:02AM THAT IS MY NAME, IT MEANS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
10:13:04AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY PEOPLE CAN ONLY SEE AND HEAR PEOPLE
10:13:08AM THEY ARE AFRAID OF.
10:13:09AM PEOPLE CAN ONLY SEE AND HEAR THINGS THAT THEY ARE AFRAID
10:13:13AM OF.
10:13:14AM RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN ONLY SEE AND HEAR POPE.
10:13:17AM SPIRITUAL PEOPLE CAN ONLY HEAR GOD.
10:13:19AM POLITICIAN CAN ONLY HEAR DONORS AND LOBBYISTS.
10:13:23AM THE STATE CAN ONLY HEAR AND SEE RON DeSANTIS.
10:13:27AM IN THIS CITY, THE POLITICIAN CAN ONLY A JEFF VINIK.
10:13:33AM AND THE PEOPLE THEY ARE AFRAID OF.
10:13:34AM ANYTHING THAT GETS PAST THIS CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THE
10:13:37AM HIERARCHY AND CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS SPOKEN.
10:13:40AM THE MAYOR IS THE LEAD PUPPET AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE THEIR
10:13:44AM CHIEF FOLLOWERS.
10:13:45AM IF THE PUBLIC IS UPSET WITH OF THE WATER RECLAMATION, WATER
10:13:49AM TREATMENT AND REINTRODUCING SEWAGE WATER BACK INTO THE
10:13:54AM SYSTEM TO IMPRESS IN JEFF VINIK IT IS NOT IN HIS BEST
10:13:58AM INTEREST.
10:13:59AM THIS CITY COUNCIL IS MADE UP OF SCARY INDIVIDUALS THAT
10:14:03AM PRESENT THEMSELVES AS NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS THAT HAVE AN
10:14:07AM INTEREST IN THE ADVANCE OF SOCIETY.
10:14:09AM BUT REGULAR PUBLIC POLITICIANS PROPAGANDA, INDOCTRINATION
10:14:15AM AND ORDER FROM THE RULING CLASS.
10:14:16AM THE RULING CLASS IS ANTI-WORKING-CLASS, ANTI-POOR,
10:14:21AM ANTI-BLACK AND ANTI-INCLUSIVENESS.
10:14:23AM PEOPLE ASK, WHY NOT MORE BLACK PEOPLE DOWN HERE?
10:14:27AM BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO COME DOWN HERE.
10:14:29AM BLACK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF WHITE PEOPLE.
10:14:31AM ISN'T BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE ARE COMPLACENT AND REGRESSIVE.
10:14:34AM IT ISN'T BECAUSE WE HAVE NO WILL POWER OR AMBITION, IT IS
10:14:39AM BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TERRORIZE FOR THE PAST 622 YEARS BY AN
10:14:42AM AGGRESSIVE POWER-HUNGRY RACE OF PEOPLE THAT TEACH BLACK
10:14:47AM PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THE LEADERSHIP OF WHITE TO POWER.
10:14:52AM BLACK CON ARTISTS, A BLACK PREACHERS AND BLACK SELLOUTS,
10:14:57AM ULTIMATELY MAKING OUR PEOPLE THINK WE ARE OUR OWN PROBLEM.
10:15:00AM THEY TELL OUR BLACK WOMEN THAT IT IS OKAY TO GO TO CHILD
10:15:03AM SUPPORT AND SNITCH ON OUR MEN.
10:15:04AM THEY TEACH OUR MEN TO SNITCH ON ONE ANOTHER.
10:15:07AM THEY TEACH OUR STUDENTS AND CHILDREN TO ACT IN CONJUNCTION
10:15:10AM WITH THE POLICE.
10:15:11AM THEY TELL US TO SAY NO TO DRUGS AS THEY LOCK UP OUR ENTIRE
10:15:14AM COMMUNITY.
10:15:14AM THEY TELL US TO ACCEPT LOCAL AND NATIONAL LEADERSHIP THAT IS
10:15:19AM NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR NEEDS.
10:15:20AM HOW IS IT THAT WE CAN HAVE A BLACK CITY COUNCIL
10:15:23AM REPRESENTATIVE SINCE 1983, PERRY HARVEY, THAT IS ALL THE WAY
10:15:28AM TO 2022, ALMOST 40 YEARS AND NOT ONE CITY COUNCIL
10:15:32AM REPRESENTATIVE HAS UTTERED THE WORD "REPARATIONS."
10:15:35AM WELL AS STATED, BLACK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF WHITE POWER.
10:15:38AM AND IT IS TIME OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND THIS CITY COUNCIL
10:15:42AM START TAKING THE WORD REPARATIONS VERY SERIOUS IN
10:15:45AM RELATIONSHIP TO THIS CITY THAT HAS BEEN FORMED OVER 157
10:15:49AM YEARS AGO.
10:15:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:15:52AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:15:58AM I AM JENNA, A RESIDENT OF THE CITY AND ALSO A BUSINESS
10:16:04AM OWNER.
10:16:04AM I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT FOOD, SHELTER AND WATER IS
10:16:07AM BASIC ELEMENTS OF LIFE.
10:16:09AM WITHOUT THEM, WE WILL NOT SURVIVE.
10:16:12AM I AM A WATER ADVOCATE AND BEGGING THE CITY COUNCILMEN AND
10:16:16AM WOMAN TO STOP THIS FUNDING UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY COME UP
10:16:19AM WITH SOME CLEAR PLAN BY THE MAYOR.
10:16:21AM RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PLAN THAT IS VERY CLEAR.
10:16:26AM THERE IS NO REGULATIONS BY THE EPA OR THE FDA FOR SECONDARY
10:16:31AM WATER USAGE UNTIL IT GETS FILTERED WHICH WE DON'T KNOW HOW
10:16:35AM THEY WILL BE DOING THAT AT THE MOMENT.
10:16:36AM THERE ARE OVER 60 CHEMICALS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE NOT TESTED BY
10:16:41AM THE EPA.
10:16:42AM I AM A HAIRDRESSER.
10:16:43AM I AM VERY AWARE OF ALL THESE CHEMICALS.
10:16:45AM THE CURRENT STANDARDS FROM THEM -- FROM THE EPA, THEY CAN'T
10:16:51AM ACTUALLY -- EVEN IF THEY FOUND SOMETHING IN THE WATER,
10:16:55AM THE EPA CAN'T -- THE SUPREME COURT HAS PRETTY MUCH
10:17:00AM DISMANTLED THEM.
10:17:00AM I AM WORRY OF THE FOREVER CHEMICALS IN THE WATER
10:17:04AM THEY HELP PRODUCTS LIKE FRENCH FRIES WHEN YOU TOUCH THEM
10:17:10AM THEY DON'T GET HOT, OR TO HELP SPREAD.
10:17:14AM WHEN PEOPLE USE THE WATER IT ACTUALLY GOES DOWN THE DRAIN.
10:17:18AM THEY ARE IN FOREVER.
10:17:21AM THEY DON'T BREAK DOWN.
10:17:22AM 88% OF AMERICANS ALREADY HAVE FOREVER CHEMICALS IN THEIR
10:17:26AM BLOODSTREAM.
10:17:26AM WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
10:17:29AM JEFF VINIK, THE OIL CEO, THE GLAZER FAMILY, AND THERE ARE
10:17:37AM LIKE THREE LIGHTNING PLAYERS, BASEBALL PLAYERS, THE FORMER
10:17:42AM CEO OF PUBLIX, JENKINS, AND THE OWNER OF TAMPA MADE FOOD
10:17:48AM COMPANY.
10:17:50AM THEY ALL USE OVER ONE MILLION GALLONS OF WATER EVERY YEAR.
10:17:55AM ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY USES 3.7 MILLION WHICH WAS, LIKE, 250
10:18:01AM SOMETHING THOUSAND GALLON AS MONTH.
10:18:04AM THE AVERAGE PERSON IN TAMPA USES 70,000 GALLONS A YEAR.
10:18:09AM WE WANT TO GO TO FUNDING.
10:18:10AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T CHARGE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE
10:18:13AM OBVIOUSLY ABUSING THE WATER NOT TO MENTION THEIR BUSINESSES
10:18:16AM LIKE MIDTOWN PLAZA IT OPENED USED 240,000 GALLONS OF A WATER
10:18:23AM A DAY BEFORE IT OPENED WITH NO RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES OR
10:18:28AM NOTHING.
10:18:28AM WHY AREN'T THESE PEOPLE GETTING FINED.
10:18:31AM I WHO STRUGGLE TO PAY $2,000 TO PAY FOR THESE JERKS USING
10:18:37AM THE WATER THAT THE CITY IS CLAIMING ALL DISAPPEARED.
10:18:39AM SORRY, THANK YOU.
10:18:40AM [APPLAUSE]
10:18:48AM GOOD MORNING.
10:18:49AM I AM NANCY STEVENS, CONSERVATION CHAIR OF THE SIERRA CLUB OF
10:18:55AM TAMPA BAY.
10:18:55AM I AM URGING YOU TO VOTE NO TO CONTINUE PURE.
10:18:58AM I WANT YOU TO CONTINUE TO VOTE NO OF FURTHER FUNDING OF
10:19:02AM PURE.
10:19:03AM WHEN THE CITY PROVIDED THE PURE PROPOSAL TO SIERRA CLUB, THE
10:19:09AM FRIENDS OF THE RIVER AND SIERRA CLUB, MY PREDECESSOR WOULD
10:19:15AM HAVE OBJECTED.
10:19:17AM IT IS AN OBVIOUS REBRANDING OF PURE.
10:19:19AM OUR GROUP SO-CALLED STAKEHOLDERS DECIDED TO WORK WITH THE
10:19:23AM CITY STAFF TO RAISE OUR ISSUES AND CONCERNS COMMUNICATE WHAT
10:19:26AM WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
10:19:28AM WE RECOMMENDED OUTSIDE SCIENTISTS TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE
10:19:33AM PROPOSAL SO THEY COULD RAISE THE QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED TO
10:19:37AM DETERMINE IF PURE WAS EVEN SAFE.
10:19:38AM WE RECOMMENDED A PANEL OF EXPERTS TO LOOK AT THE
10:19:42AM ALTERNATIVES.
10:19:43AM AND INCLUDING NOT USING THE WASTEWATER AT ALL.
10:19:47AM AFTER MORE THAN 20 MONTHS, OUR QUESTIONS REMAINED
10:19:50AM UNANSWERED.
10:19:51AM EXPERT SCIENTIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS IGNORED AND ALTERNATIVES
10:19:56AM TO WASTEWATER HAS NOT BEEN SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED.
10:19:58AM CITIZENS CONCERNS OF DRINKING RECLAIMED WATER IS DISMISSED
10:20:03AM AS THE ICK FACTOR.
10:20:06AM PEOPLE UNDERSTAND DRINKING WATER THAT COME FROM TOILETS AND
10:20:09AM INDUSTRIAL WASTE MEAN AND HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.
10:20:13AM WHAT CONTAMINANTS IN THE WATER.
10:20:15AM YOU HEARD SOME OF THEM TODAY.
10:20:16AM ARE THE LEVELS SAFE?
10:20:17AM ARE THE LEVELS OF COULD BE TAM MAN IN THE SAFE?
10:20:20AM HOW WILL THE CITY DETERMINE IF THEY ARE SAFE?
10:20:22AM THE CITY HAS NOT BEGUN TO ADDRESS THOSE LEGITIMATE ISSUES.
10:20:25AM CITIZENS ASK, WELL, WHY NOT TO DOING IS ELSE.
10:20:30AM EXPANDING RECLAIMED WATER IN PURPLE PIPES TO WATER LAWNS HAS
10:20:35AM BEEN DISMISSED AS TOO EXPENSIVE.
10:20:39AM REGIONAL SOLUTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED.
10:20:42AM IF YOU GO TO THE VIDEO, THEY SAY THERE WILL BE DROUGHTS.
10:20:46AM WE DON'T LIVE IN THE ARID WEST.
10:20:51AM WHY USE THE WASTEWATER?
10:20:53AM IT WAS MENTIONED SENATE BILL 64 IS REQUIRING US TO USE IT.
10:20:57AM THE CITY HAS MADE NO ATTEMPTS TO PUSH BACK ON THE
10:21:01AM LEGISLATION.
10:21:02AM THE STAKEHOLDERS GROUP PROVIDED A TECHNICAL PAPER DESCRIBING
10:21:06AM WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH THE WASTEWATER IS A
10:21:10AM BENEFICIAL USE.
10:21:10AM HOPE THAT THE CITY WILL TAKE THAT PAPER AND SUBMIT AN
10:21:14AM APPLICATION TO THE DEP AND STAKEHOLDERS AND CITY COUNCIL
10:21:18AM WILL REVIEW THAT BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE DEP.
10:21:20AM WE HOPE THAT THE CITY MAKES AN HONEST ATTEMPT TO GET THE
10:21:23AM PRESSURES OF SB 64 OFF OF US.
10:21:29AM IN FEBRUARY WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE 1.2 IN FUNDING.
10:21:34AM THAT MONEY HAS NOT BEEN CONSULTANTED FOR.
10:21:36AM WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE RESULTS AND SURPRISE BY THIS ORIGINAL
10:21:39AM ASK.
10:21:40AM AND WE URGE TO YOU SAY NO TO THE FUNDING.
10:21:42AM FORTUNATELY WE ARE IN A WATER CRISIS AT THE MOMENT.
10:21:46AM WE NEED TO TAKE TIME FOR WATER SAFETY STANDARDS TO BE SET
10:21:49AM AND WORK WITH TAMPA BAY WATER AND REGIONAL SOLUTIONS.
10:21:52AM PLEASE STOP PAYING POLITICS WITH THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND
10:21:57AM POCKET BOOKS OF THE PEOPLE OF COMPANY.
10:21:59AM PUT THE PEEP OF TAMPA FIRST.
10:22:01AM THANK YOU.
10:22:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:22:03AM [APPLAUSE]
10:22:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:22:07AM I AM SPEAKING ON ITEMS 5 AND 6 ON THE AGENDA.
10:22:11AM I AM ASKING YOU TO VOTE THIS PROJECT DOWN AND NOT PROVIDE
10:22:14AM FURTHER FUNDING.
10:22:15AM MY NAME IS B. JOHN OVINK, A FRIEND OF THE RIVER.
10:22:23AM I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR FREE AND FRESH WATER TO FLOW INTO
10:22:29AM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
10:22:30AM GROWING FRUSTRATION I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE STAKEHOLDER
10:22:33AM GROUP DISCUSSING MAYOR CASTOR'S LEGACY PROJECT, PURE.
10:22:38AM FOR THE PAST FEW DECADES, TAMPA HAS BEEN ATTEMPTING TO
10:22:42AM TRANSFORM WASTEWATER INTO DRINKING WATER.
10:22:45AM YOU REMEMBER THE TOILET TO TAP.
10:22:48AM THE FIRST LOOK AT PURE LOOKED LIKE TAP.
10:22:50AM A CITY HAD A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES TO TAP.
10:22:56AM EIGHT ALTERNATIVES WERE PROPOSED.
10:22:58AM GROWING PERSISTENCE THE CITY HAS REFUSED OR RELUCTANTLY
10:23:03AM AGREED TO SERIOUSLY DISCUSS THESE ALTERNATIVES INCLUDING
10:23:05AM OTHER POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS SUCH AS ADVOCATING CONSERVATION,
10:23:10AM POSTPONING THE DEADLINE AND JOINING WITH OTHER STATE WATER
10:23:14AM DEPARTMENTS.
10:23:14AM CITY HAS NOT ENGAGED IN HONEST DISCUSSION AND UNBIASED
10:23:20AM ALTERNATIVES TO TAP.
10:23:21AM IT IS TO BEIOUS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN INTERESTED IN
10:23:24AM PURSUING ANY OTHER OPTION OTHER THAN TAP.
10:23:26AM MR. BEAMER TELLS US HE HAS BEEN LISTENING.
10:23:29AM LISTENING IS NICE.
10:23:31AM LISTENING DOES NOT COMMIT.
10:23:32AM LISTENING MEANS GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, TALKING TO
10:23:35AM PEOPLE AND TELLING THEM ABOUT ALTERNATIVES AND LISTENING TO
10:23:38AM THEIR ANSWERS.
10:23:39AM THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THE CITY IS ASKING FOR
10:23:44AM MORE MONEY, ANOTHER MILLION AND CHANGE.
10:23:47AM COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FUNDING ON SPECIFIC CONDITION
10:23:50AM THAT THE CITY DOES OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC.
10:23:52AM TO DATE, NO MEANINGFUL UNBIASED OUTREACH HAS TAKEN PLACE.
10:23:57AM STAKEHOLDERS CONSISTENTLY HAVE BEEN FED INCOMPLETE
10:24:01AM INFORMATION.
10:24:02AM CITY HAVEN'T TOLD YOU WHAT THEY USED THE MONEY FOR, AND NOW
10:24:05AM THEY WANT MORE.
10:24:06AM FOR THIS REASON ALONE I ASK YOU THAT YOU REFUSE FLORIDA
10:24:10AM FUNDING.
10:24:10AM FOR 22 MONTHS, THE CITY HAS BEEN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, IS
10:24:17AM IT SAFE, IS IT NEEDED AND HOW MUCH WILL IT COST.
10:24:19AM WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY ANSWERS OTHER THAN "TRUST US."
10:24:24AM AND NO, IT IS NOT THE ICK FACTOR I OBJECT TO.
10:24:29AM I HAVE DRUNK AND SWAM IN WATER WITH POOP IN IT.
10:24:35AM TRAVELING THROUGH EGYPT AND INDIA I DRANK TAP WATER THAT
10:24:39AM CAME FROM THE NILE AND THE GANGES.
10:24:43AM NO INDUSTRIAL.
10:24:44AM NOT POOP I AM CONCERNED WITH.
10:24:46AM POOP GIVES YOU THE RUNS.
10:24:49AM NOTHING ELSE.
10:24:50AM CHEMICALS, PFAS, HORMONES, MEDICATION I AM CONCERNED WITH.
10:24:56AM NO DRINKING WATER STANDARDS FOR PFAS WHICH MEAN THE CITY
10:25:00AM DOES NOT EVEN NEED TO STREET FOR IT.
10:25:02AM AFTER 22 MONTHS OF LISTENING, YOU STILL HAVEN'T GIVEN US THE
10:25:06AM ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS HOW IT WILL BE MADE SAFE FOR MY
10:25:08AM GRANDDAUGHTER TO DRINK.
10:25:09AM I AM OPPOSED TO PUTTING TREATED WASTEWATER IN THE AQUIFER
10:25:14AM INTO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WITHOUT SCIENTIFIC PROOF THAT IT
10:25:17AM IS SAFE FOR WILDLIFE AND HUMANS, UNTIL IT SAFE AND
10:25:22AM AFFORDABLE, FUNDS FOR IT MUST BE STOPPED.
10:25:25AM I ASK FOR YOU TO VOTE THIS PROJECT DOWN.
10:25:27AM THANK YOU.
10:25:27AM [APPLAUSE]
10:25:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:25:33AM MARY WILLA MATS.
10:25:36AM AND I AM SPEAKING TO ITEMS 5 AND 6 ON THE AGENDA.
10:25:39AM MY GRADUATE WORK WITH IN INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE.
10:25:43AM AND THAT INCLUDES DEALING WITH HAZARD MATERIALS, MANAGEMENT,
10:25:50AM AND I WORK FOR A LARGE COMPLEX HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THAT --
10:25:54AM AND PART OF MY JOB WAS DOING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS MANAGEMENT.
10:25:59AM THE REASON I AM SAYING THIS IS BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
10:26:02AM HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
10:26:04AM AND THE CONTAMINANTS.
10:26:07AM SOME CONTAMINANTS IN THE EFFLUENT FROM OUR WASTEWATER THAT
10:26:11AM ARE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
10:26:14AM SUCH -- OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TALKED IT, BUT THE FOREVER
10:26:21AM CHEMICALS, AS THEIR NAME IMPLIES, STAYS WITHIN THE TISSUES
10:26:25AM OF ALL CREATURES, PEOPLE, ANIMALS, ETC. BASICALLY FOREVER.
10:26:30AM AND THEY ARE SO HARMFUL THAT THE EPA WANTS THE LIMITS TO BE
10:26:36AM AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO ZERO DUE TO A GROWING BODY OF
10:26:42AM RESEARCH THAT SHOWS HOW TOXIC THEY ARE.
10:26:45AM AND THAT IS A QUOTE FROM AN EPA DOCUMENTS.
10:26:49AM CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO DRINKING WATER STANDARDS FOR MOST
10:26:52AM FOREVER CHEMICALS, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN FOUND IN DRINKING
10:26:56AM WATER.
10:26:58AM OTHER CONTAMINANTS OF CONCERN ARE PHARMACEUTICALS, HORMONES,
10:27:03AM WASTE FROM INDUSTRIES, MICRO BIOLOGICALS AND OTHERS.
10:27:07AM AND REMEMBER FOREVER CHEMICALS ARE A GROUP OF THESE AS WELL.
10:27:13AM THE CITY MUST PROTECT OUR CITIZENS FROM THESE HAZARDOUS
10:27:16AM MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND IN SEWAGE EFFLUENT AND NOT CONSIDER
10:27:24AM ADDING SUCH SOURCES OF WATER TO IT THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER,
10:27:30AM THE SOURCE OF OUR DRINKING WATER, OR TO THE AQUIFER AND
10:27:36AM ENSURE THAT WE HAVE CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT PROVE
10:27:43AM NO HARM TO PEOPLE, NO HARM TO OUR WILDLIFE, AND NO HARM TO
10:27:49AM OUR ENVIRONMENT.
10:27:50AM VOTE NO ON PURE.
10:27:55AM I ALSO AGREE WITH OTHERS THAT TAMPA SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD
10:28:01AM AMONG FLORIDA CITIES AND WATER DISTRICTS TO REQUEST AN
10:28:05AM EXTENSION TO SENATE BILL 64 TO 2040 AT LEAST.
10:28:12AM THIS EXTENSION WOULD GIVE TIME FOR THE EPA AND/OR THE DEP
10:28:19AM TO PROMULGATE HEALTH, SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS TO
10:28:24AM REVISIONS TO EXISTING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND FOR NEWLY
10:28:28AM IDENTIFIED CONTAMINANTS.
10:28:30AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR TIME .
10:28:33AM [APPLAUSE]
10:28:45AM GOOD MORNING.
10:28:46AM MY NAME IS TERESA POTTER.
10:28:48AM I AM A RESIDENT, A CITIZEN OF TAMPA, RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF
10:28:52AM TAMPA.
10:28:52AM BUT I AM A PRESIDENT OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF
10:28:55AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, A MEMBER OF THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
10:28:58AM A LOT OF PRESS THAT HAS BEEN ON THE PURE PROJECT SINCE
10:29:02AM MONDAY HAS POINTED OUT THAT THE OPPOSITION IS FROM
10:29:05AM ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS.
10:29:06AM THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE
10:29:09AM LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS IN GENERAL IS MORE CONCERNED OF
10:29:12AM INFORMING THE ELECTORATE.
10:29:13AM SINCE 1920, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS SINCE 1949, THE LEAK
10:29:18AM OF WOMEN VOTERS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS MADE IT OUR
10:29:21AM PRIORITY TO HAVE OUR CITIZENS BE INFORMED AND INVOLVED IN
10:29:26AM THE DECISIONS AND ISSUES THAT AFFECT THEM.
10:29:28AM SO I WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR ACTION IN
10:29:31AM FEBRUARY.
10:29:32AM I COMMEND YOU FOR INSTEAD OF FULLY FUNDING THE PURE PROJECT
10:29:35AM AND MOVING FORWARD THAT THE MONEY THAT WAS GIVEN AT THAT
10:29:38AM MEETING WAS DIRECTED TOWARD PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ANALYSIS OF
10:29:42AM OTHER OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES ON THIS PROJECT.
10:29:44AM I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT IS NOT JUST AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE
10:29:48AM AND ALSO AN OVERSIGHT, TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC OUTREACH
10:29:53AM ISSUE.
10:29:54AM PUBLIC OUTREACH TO SOME PEOPLE MAY FINDING OUT HOW MANY
10:29:58AM PEOPLE ARE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
10:30:00AM AS CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, YOU GET CALLS ACHED E-MAILS AND YOU
10:30:04AM JUDGE WHAT YOUR CITIZENS ARE FOR OR AGAINST A SUBJECT.
10:30:07AM FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
10:30:09AM I JUDGE IT WHEN I AM OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TALKING TO PEOPLE
10:30:12AM WHAT THE LOOK IS ON THEIR FACE WHEN I ASK THEM ABOUT
10:30:15AM SOMETHING.
10:30:15AM YOU KNOW THE LOOK I AM TALKING ABOUT.
10:30:17AM YOU EITHER GET ENGAGE 789 AND QUESTIONS -- ENGAGEMENT AND
10:30:22AM QUESTIONS OR YOU GET A COMPLETELY BLANK FACE.
10:30:25AM PRIOR TO MONDAY, HE DIDN'T AT THAT YOU CAN TO A SINGLE
10:30:28AM PERSON THAT DIDN'T HAVE A BLANK FACE WHEN I ASKED THEM ABOUT
10:30:32AM THE PURE PROJECT AND GAVE THEM SOME COUNTY DETAILS ABOUT IT.
10:30:36AM AS OF MONDAY, I HAVE PEOPLE ASKING ME INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
10:30:39AM I HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC -- K-12 PUBLIC EDUCATION ADVOCATE.
10:30:44AM I TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE EVERY DAY INCLUDING PARENTS IN OUR
10:30:47AM COMMUNITY.
10:30:47AM I STARTED GETTING TEXTS ON MONDAY ABOUT THE PURE PROJECT FOR
10:30:51AM THE FIRST TIME.
10:30:51AM THEN WITH MY OTHER HAT -- I HAVE A MASTER'S IN LIBRARY
10:30:56AM SCIENCE AND IN A PREVIOUS LIFE, I WAS A AN ELEMENTARY AND
10:30:59AM HIGH SCHOOL MEDIA SPECIALIST AND TAUGHT CLASSES ON INFORMATION
10:31:01AM AND DISINFORMATION.
10:31:05AM THE INFORMATION THAT STARTED COMING OUT SINCE MONDAY, QUOTES
10:31:11AM FROM CITY STAFF WERE CONCERNING AS WELL.
10:31:13AM ONE WAS ADDRESSED BY SOMEBODY PREVIOUSLY THAT SAID THE
10:31:16AM REASON PEOPLE ARE AGAINST THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE ICK FACTOR
10:31:20AM WHICH I NEVER HEARD ANYONE TALK ABOUT.
10:31:22AM OTHER ON THAT IT IS NOT A PROJECT.
10:31:24AM A BIDDING PROCESS AND STAFF WAS ASKED TO -- IT IS A PROJECT
10:31:28AM BUT NOT A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT AT THIS POINT.
10:31:31AM FOR OVER 20 MONTHS, THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.
10:31:35AM THEY DIDN'T -- ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PRESS ASKED US,
10:31:38AM THEY ARE COME -- THEY ARE COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ASKING
10:31:41AM FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH.
10:31:42AM AREN'T YOU HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
10:31:44AM IF THIS WAS THE FIRST MILLION DOLLARS, YES, BUT NO
10:31:47AM CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MILLION DOLLARS ALREADY MEANT TO BE
10:31:50AM SPENT ON THAT.
10:31:50AM SO IT IS TIME TO KILL THIS PROJECT.
10:31:53AM AND WORK ON SOMETHING ELSE.
10:31:55AM THANK YOU.
10:31:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:31:55AM [APPLAUSE]
10:32:04AM >> HI, MY NAME IS VALERIE BULLOCK, A RESIDENT OF EAST
10:32:10AM COMPANY.
10:32:11AM AND I WANT TO QUALIFY.
10:32:13AM I HAVE A WASTEWATER LICENSE FROM DEP.
10:32:16AM AC DRINKING WATER LICENSE FROM DEP.
10:32:19AM I SAT 33 YEARS AGO FOR MY STATE BOARD.
10:32:22AM I TOOK TWO STATE BOARDS AT THE SAME TIME.
10:32:24AM PASSED THEM BOTH AT THE FIRST TRY.
10:32:26AM I WAS SWORN IN TO PROTECT THE WATER.
10:32:28AM AND FROM THAT DAY FORWARD, THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING.
10:32:32AM I STILL HAVE THE SAME ZEAL AND PASSION, THIS PURE PROJECT
10:32:39AM NEEDS TO BE DUMPED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
10:32:41AM A WASTE OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY.
10:32:44AM THE TOILET TO TAP HAS BEEN AROUND FOREVER.
10:32:48AM PUMP IT INTO THE AQUIFER.
10:32:49AM WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THE AQUIFER IT WAS TO
10:32:53AM LEAK BEFORE IT IS TIME.
10:32:54AM DO WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT?
10:32:55AM NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
10:32:57AM AND THIS IS NOTHING BUT A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN JUST
10:33:01AM LIKE PINEY POINT.
10:33:02AM WE SAT THERE AND WE MADE ALL OF THESE EX-TUESDAYS, DID RING
10:33:08AM AROUND THE WASTEWATER.
10:33:09AM PUT IT HERE.
10:33:10AM PUT IT THERE.
10:33:11AM WE NEVER DEAL WITH THE RIGHT ISSUE.
10:33:13AM THEN YEARS LATER, IT COMES BACK AND NOW IT IS A HOT FIGHT.
10:33:17AM WE GOT TO PUT THIS OUT.
10:33:19AM AND WHAT DO WE DO?
10:33:21AM WE RELEASE SOME OF THE WATER INTO HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
10:33:25AM NOW WE HAVE RED TIDE AND FISH KILL EVERYWHERE.
10:33:29AM THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO BE DUMPED.
10:33:30AM AND THE MONEY THAT BEING SPENT ON IT, IT CAN BE PUT INTO
10:33:35AM SOMETHING USEFUL.
10:33:36AM AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS THE A IN, THAT WANTS TO PUSH THINGS
10:33:41AM THROUGH BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON.
10:33:42AM I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS NEPOTISM, MONEY TRAIL GO BACK TO THEIR
10:33:47AM FRIENDS, BUT WE HAVE A CHECK AND BALANCE IN EVERY SYSTEM.
10:33:50AM AND WE GOT TO START USING IT.
10:33:52AM THIS IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY.
10:33:56AM WASTEWATER IS 99.9% PURE LIKE IVORY SOAP.
10:34:02AM IF WE TREAT IT PROPERLY AND WE CONTINUE TO DO LIKE WE HAVE
10:34:06AM BEEN DOING, WE WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
10:34:08AM WE HAVE DEP EPA AND S.W.F.W.M.D. MONITORING US.
10:34:14AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY HAVE TO MEET OR BEAT THE FEDERAL
10:34:18AM GUIDELINES WHEN IT COMES TO TREATING THE WASTEWATER.
10:34:21AM AND I AM -- LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE SAY, LET'S -- LET'S TAKE A
10:34:26AM JUMP START.
10:34:27AM LET'S ASK FOR A VARIANCE.
10:34:29AM LET'S SAY WE WILL INSTALL THIS IN 2040.
10:34:32AM GIVE US TIME TO MAKE SOME KIND OF OTHER ARRANGEMENTS.
10:34:37AM WE SHOULDN'T HAVE JUST ONE THING.
10:34:40AM VOTE PURE.
10:34:40AM HERE GOES $5 MILLION.
10:34:42AM VOTE FOR PURE.
10:34:44AM I LIKE CHOICES.
10:34:45AM LET'S SEE WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE.
10:34:47AM SINCE WE HAVE THE WASTEWATER PLAN ALREADY WORKING, LET'S SEE
10:34:53AM WHAT WE CAN TO DO MAKE THAT BETTER TO FORTIFY SO IT WILL BE
10:34:57AM AROUND LONG ENOUGH.
10:34:58AM I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, THEY USE TO HAVE A TV
10:35:04AM COMMERCIAL WITH THE INDIAN ON THE BOAT, TEARS GOING DOWN HIS
10:35:06AM EYE FROM THE WATER GETTING POLLUTE AND CONTAMINATED.
10:35:10AM WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO GO FORWARD, NOT BACKWARD AND WATER IS
10:35:15AM THE GREATEST RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE.
10:35:16AM AND WE NEED TO PROTECT IT.
10:35:18AM THAT'S IT.
10:35:20AM [APPLAUSE]
10:35:39AM >> JOHN MOLL, 4104 NORTH LYNN, AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:35:44AM I PROBABLY LIVED ON THAT CORNER FOR 70 YEARS, SO I HAVE SEEN
10:35:49AM A LOT OF CHANGES, YOU MIGHT SAY.
10:35:53AM AND I HAVE SEEN A BU BOONDOGGLES OCCURRING.
10:35:57AM YOU GO TO CREST AND CENTRAL, YOU WILL SEE A BIG BOONDOGGLE
10:36:01AM GOING ON TRYING TO GET A BIT OF STORMWATER.
10:36:04AM I JUST HEARD ABOUT PURE.
10:36:06AM I JOINED THE FRIENDS OF THE RIVER YESTERDAY AND THEY TOLD ME
10:36:09AM ABOUT THIS MEET SO HERE I AM AT.
10:36:11AM CAN ANY OF YOU COUNCILPEOPLE TELL ME HOW MUCH MY UTILITY
10:36:15AM BILL WILL GO UP IF THIS PURE PROJECT GOES THROUGH?
10:36:21AM I SEE A LOT OF STONY FACES.
10:36:23AM NO ANSWER.
10:36:24AM I KNOW I WAS BANNED FROM ANYBODY SPEAKING TO ME BECAUSE I
10:36:28AM HAD LITIGATION BEFORE, BUT I HAVE NO LITIGATION BEFORE YOU
10:36:31AM NOW.
10:36:31AM SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR YOU RESPOND IF YOU WISH TO.
10:36:34AM I HAVE TOLD THAT THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE AT A MINIMUM OF
10:36:40AM $2 BILLION.
10:36:41AM YOU KNOW WHAT THE INTEREST OF THAT?
10:36:43AM AT 5 IS $100 MILLION A YEAR.
10:36:46AM WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT?
10:36:49AM HOW MUCH IS MY ATTORNEY BILL GOING TO GO UP?
10:36:52AM YOU WILL TAX ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
10:36:54AM YOU TRIED IT WITH STORMWATER BUT I KIND OF PREVAILED ON
10:36:58AM THAT.
10:36:58AM BUT I DON'T KNOW -- DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW HOT MY -- HIGH MY
10:37:03AM UTILITY BILL.
10:37:04AM YOU SEE -- MITIGATED THE FACT THAT I DON'T USE ANY CITY
10:37:10AM WATER FOR DRINKING.
10:37:11AM I DON'T USE THE CITY SEWER AND DON'T USE STORMWATER.
10:37:14AM IT CAN BE DONE.
10:37:15AM RIGHT THERE I HAVE DONE IT.
10:37:16AM SO THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.
10:37:18AM BUT -- STILL, I AM WAITING FOR HOW MUCH IS MY BILL GOING TO
10:37:23AM GO UP OR WILL IT GO UP AT ALL?
10:37:25AM I SUSPECT THAT IT WON'T GO UP AT ALL, BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING
10:37:29AM TO GO OUT AND GET A BOND AND PUT IT ON THE TAX BILL.
10:37:33AM IF I DON'T PAY THE TAX BILL, YOU ARE GOING TO FORECLOSE.
10:37:39AM I SUSPECT THIS WILL HAPPEN.
10:37:40AM BUT I CAN WAIT FOR AN ANSWER HOW MUCH MY UTILITY BILL WILL
10:37:44AM GO UP.
10:37:45AM HOW LONG AM I GOING TO WAIT, THREE MINUTES.
10:37:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN I RESPOND.
10:37:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:37:50AM >> MAYBE CAN RESPONDS.
10:37:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT I CAN SAY IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL
10:37:55AM COST.
10:37:57AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST.
10:38:03AM I LIKE A FIGHTER.
10:38:04AM YOUR LITIGATION IS OVER.
10:38:06AM CONGRATULATIONS FOR COMING HERE MANY, MANY YEARS AND BEING
10:38:09AM STRONG TO FIGHT.
10:38:10AM I PARTLY CLOUDY YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
10:38:12AM I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.
10:38:15AM >> A BALLPARK FIGURE.
10:38:16AM $39, ALMOST $40 NOW.
10:38:19AM WILL IT BE $400 WHEN THIS THING GOES THROUGH OR $4,000.
10:38:23AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
10:38:24AM >> NOBODY KNOWS.
10:38:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HANG ON, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, GO TO
10:38:31AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA NEXT.
10:38:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:38:34AM MR. MOLL.
10:38:36AM I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU.
10:38:38AM I NEVER SEEN ONE THAT HAVE ZEROS FOR A YEAR, ALL THE DAY
10:38:43AM DOWN.
10:38:43AM YOU ARE A TRUE ENVIRONMENTALISTS NOT THOSE THAT WANT TO TALK
10:38:48AM ABOUT IT, BUT THOSE WHO DO WHAT OTHERS TALK ABOUT.
10:38:50AM A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK, AND THEY DON'T DO.
10:38:53AM YOU DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT.
10:38:54AM AND I ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT.
10:38:56AM >> AND YOU DO TOO.
10:38:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I TRIED.
10:38:59AM HONEST TO GOD, I TRIED, BUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT RAN ME
10:39:02AM OVER.
10:39:03AM I TELL YOU WHY, FOR 11 MONTHS I HAD ZEROS AND ONE OF MY GOAL
10:39:08AM TO HAVE IT LIKE YOURS, ALL THE WAY ZEROS.
10:39:11AM HOWEVER, ON THAT 12th, I GOT A ONE UNIT.
10:39:16AM I WAS PERTURBED AT MYSELF, NOT THE CITY.
10:39:19AM I PUT THE BILL DOWN.
10:39:20AM A WEEK OR SO LATER I SAID LET ME CHECK THAT BILL AGAIN.
10:39:24AM I LOOKED AT IT.
10:39:25AM GUESS WHAT HAPPENED.
10:39:27AM INSTEAD OF CHECKING THE WATER ON THE 30th DAY, THEY CHECKED
10:39:31AM IT ON THE 33rd DAY.
10:39:32AM SO IN MY MIND, I STILL DON'T HAVE A ZERO AND THE WATER
10:39:37AM DEPARTMENT GOT ME.
10:39:38AM BUT IT WAS FAIR AND SQUARE.
10:39:40AM THAT IS IN THE TRANSITION CHANGING THE WAY THEY WERE
10:39:45AM COLLECTING THE METERS AND READING THE METER AND I GOT CAUGHT
10:39:49AM IN THE TWO-DAY DIFFERENCE.
10:39:50AM I AM NOT APOLOGETIC.
10:39:52AM I ADMIRE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
10:39:56AM WHEN YOU FIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING, NOT ABOUT WINNING OR LOSING
10:39:58AM BUT DOING YOUR BEST AND NOT TO LOSE.
10:40:00AM >> THANK YOU.
10:40:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FEW OF US DO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND I
10:40:03AM ADMIRE FOR THAT.
10:40:05AM YOU ARE A TRUE ENVIRONMENTALIST.
10:40:07AM I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT I AM AN VIRALIST AND DON'T HAVE R
10:40:13AM HAVE UNIT, I HAVE TEN.
10:40:15AM I DON'T TO HEAR IT IF I DRIVE A CADILLAC INSTEAD OF A
10:40:19AM ELECTRIC CAR.
10:40:19AM I DON'T WANT TO HEAR SPENDING $900 A MONTH IN ELECTRICITY
10:40:25AM AND DON'T HAVE ANY SOLAR.
10:40:27AM I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS BUT THE PUBLIC.
10:40:30AM I ADMIRE.
10:40:31AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BILL IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE I DON'T
10:40:34AM KNOW THE TRUE COST.
10:40:35AM >> I HOPE YOU VOTE NO.
10:40:36AM [LAUGHTER]
10:40:38AM [APPLAUSE]
10:40:41AM >> THANK YOU.
10:40:42AM ANYBODY ELSE CAN TELL ME WHAT THE BILL IS GOING TO BE.
10:40:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:40:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID.
10:40:51AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU TO DO TRY TO SAVE RESOURCE.
10:40:54AM WE SHOULD HAVE YOU DO A CLASS FOR ALL OF US IN THE COMMUNITY
10:40:59AM TO TEACH US HOW TO DO THAT.
10:41:00AM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
10:41:02AM WE DON'T KNOW.
10:41:02AM WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR AT LEAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
10:41:07AM THE GROUP AROUND YOU THE ROOM HAVE BEEN ASKING AND A LOT OF
10:41:11AM DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
10:41:11AM WHEN IT FIRST CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL THREE AND A HALF
10:41:14AM YEARS AGO IT WAS $350 MILLION.
10:41:16AM AND INCLUDED IN THE PIPES PROGRAM THAT WAS -- IF I REMEMBER
10:41:20AM CORRECTLY, $3.2 BILLION.
10:41:22AM I ASKED -- I MADE A MOTION TO HAVE THE $350 MILLION TAKEN
10:41:28AM OUT AND APPROVE 2.85 FOR THE PIPES PROGRAM.
10:41:31AM THEN THE WATER DEPARTMENT TALKED AND SAID IN THE ROOM AND
10:41:34AM CAME BACK AND SAID CAN YOU ONLY TAKE YOU TO THE $300
10:41:37AM MILLION.
10:41:37AM SO SUDDENLY WITHIN A FEW MINUTES THE PRICE DROPPED FROM $350
10:41:41AM MILLION TO $300 MILLION.
10:41:43AM TOOK THAT OUT.
10:41:44AM THE PIPES PROGRAM FOR 2.9 BILLION IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY
10:41:49AM ADDED TO THE AVERAGE WATER RATE ABOUT $36 A MONTH.
10:41:52AM AND I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE AVERAGE WATER RATE
10:41:55AM WAS ABOUT $40 A MONTH AT THAT TIME.
10:41:58AM HAD WE INCLUDED PURE AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD HAVE INCREASE IT
10:42:01AM ANOTHER FEW DOLLARS.
10:42:02AM IF MY NUMBERS ARE A SLIGHTLY OFF, I APOLOGIZE -- SPEAKING
10:42:06AM WITH COVID HEAD RIGHT NOW.
10:42:07AM BUT THEN WE ASKED THAT ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS ASKED THEM TO
10:42:13AM DO A FULLER ANALYSIS TO TELL US THE TOTAL COST OVER 30
10:42:18AM YEARS.
10:42:18AM A PRESENTATION YOU CAN WATCH ON VIDEO WHERE THE CONSULTANTS
10:42:22AM SAY -- OF THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, 2.1 TO 3.6 BILLION
10:42:28AM DOLLARS.
10:42:28AM AND THEN -- A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT SPOKE
10:42:31AM AT A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND SOMEONE SAID, ISN'T IT
10:42:33AM GOING TO COST $6 BILLION AND MAYBE DOUBLE OUR WATER RATES?
10:42:38AM >> YOU USE THE SAME CORRELATION OF 2.9 BILLION FOR THE PIPES
10:42:42AM PROGRAM THAT RAISED THE BILL BY $36.
10:42:46AM IF AN AVERAGE OF $3 BILLION TO $4 BILLION, SHOULD RAISE IT
10:42:50AM BY $40 TO $50 A MONTH AND THOSE ARE MY ROUGH BEHIND THE
10:42:54AM NAPKIN CALCULATIONS.
10:42:57AM WATER DEPARTMENT PERSON LAUGHED AND SAY COST SEVERAL HUNDRED
10:43:02AM THOUSAND.
10:43:02AM I POINTED THIS OUT IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND A
10:43:05AM SCATHING LETTER THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT SAID I AM MISLEADING
10:43:08AM THE PUBLIC TELLING THE PUBLIC THE TOTAL COST INSTEAD OF
10:43:12AM CAPITAL COST AND I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED THAT THE INDUSTRY
10:43:15AM STANDARD IS TO ONLY USE CAPITAL COSTS INSTEAD OF TOTAL
10:43:18AM COSTS.
10:43:18AM I HAVE WORKED AROUND ENGINEERS FOR A LONG TIME AND I KNOW
10:43:23AM THAT IS NOT TRUE.
10:43:24AM THE TRUTH IS WE DON'T KNOW.
10:43:26AM IF YOU SAW THE RECENT PRESS, THE WATER DEPARTMENT IS SAYING
10:43:29AM WE DON'T KNOW THE COST SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON IT
10:43:31AM BECAUSE THEY KNOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE OUT THERE.
10:43:33AM THE REALITY IS WE DIDN'T HAVE AN HONEST ALTERNATIVES
10:43:38AM ANALYSIS AND PROBABLY WON'T AGAIN WITH THE CONFIGURATION THE
10:43:41AM WAY IT IS.
10:43:41AM IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE ESTIMATES THEY WERE GIVING US BEFORE
10:43:45AM AND COMPARE IT TO PIPES, MY ROUGH ESTIMATE BETWEEN $40 TO
10:43:49AM $50 A MONTH TO FOR THE AVERAGE USER.
10:43:51AM YOU MAY NOT PAY EXTRA, BUT AN AVERAGE USER WOULD.
10:43:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:43:58AM >> JUST -- MAYBE I CAN RESPONDS A LITTLE BIT.
10:44:01AM THEY TALK OF THE AQUIFER WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE PUMPED.
10:44:05AM MY UNDER STANDING IS THERE WERE THREE AQUIFERS, THE
10:44:12AM SHALLOW, PERMIDAN AND BRINE AQUIFER.
10:44:18AM WHERE IS THE AQUIFER -- I USE WELL WATER AND I WOULD HATE
10:44:22AM FOR MY SHALLOW WELL TO BE CONTAMINATED.
10:44:26AM THANK YOU.
10:44:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:44:28AM [APPLAUSE]
10:44:34AM IF I SEE NO ONE ELSE GETTING UP, MISS LOCKETT.
10:44:39AM WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER IN CHAMBERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:44:42AM I AM SORRY?
10:44:48AM MISS VILA WILL BE THE LAST.
10:44:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:44:52AM MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS STILL HOUSING.
10:44:55AM I WAS SITTING HERE AND DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PURE.
10:44:59AM JUST HEARD REMNANTS OF IT.
10:45:01AM AND BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, MY QUESTION WAS
10:45:05AM JUST LIKE THE LEGAL OF WOMEN VOTERS, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
10:45:11AM HOW MUCH HAS BEEN DONE.
10:45:14AM NOT JUST WITH THE NUMBERS BUT REALLY EDUCATION IN REGARDS TO
10:45:20AM FULL PROCESS.
10:45:21AM WHAT IFS.
10:45:23AM WHAT IF THIS WORKS.
10:45:24AM WHAT IF IT DOESN'T WORK.
10:45:25AM WHAT IS YOUR BACK-UP PLAN IN CASE IT DOESN'T.
10:45:28AM SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS NOW WITH REGARDS TO THIS PURE
10:45:31AM PROJECT.
10:45:31AM AND IF EVERYONE BACK HERE HAVE QUESTIONS, PEOPLE THAT IS ON
10:45:35AM TELEVISION WILL HAVE QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT IS FAIR BECAUSE
10:45:39AM IT IS THE PEOPLE'S MONEY THAT YOU GUYS EITHER DISMANTLE AND
10:45:45AM REDO IT OR COME TO A CONSENSUS OF REDOING SOMETHING OR SLOW
10:45:52AM IT SO THAT EVERYTHING CAN BE -- WE TALKED OF TRANSPARENCY.
10:45:56AM WE ALWAYS TALK OF TRANSPARENCY.
10:45:59AM AND IF YOU -- IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE -- HAS IT WHERE
10:46:05AM THEY CAN NOT ANSWER A QUESTION FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN
10:46:08AM THAT IS A PROBLEM.
10:46:09AM WHEN THEY WANT A QUESTION -- AN ANSWER ABOUT A QUESTION,
10:46:15AM THAT IS A PROBLEM.
10:46:15AM I'M HERE TO SAY I HEARD COMMUNITY OUTREACH, REASSURANCE.
10:46:21AM REGULATIONS ARE CONCERNED.
10:46:22AM WHEN WE SAID TODAY, REGULATIONS ARE ONE THING ONE MINUTE,
10:46:27AM AND THEN THEY ARE LESSENED DOWN THE LINE.
10:46:31AM HOW CAN PEOPLE BE -- FEEL SAFE, AND EVEN IN THE POOR
10:46:35AM COMMUNITIES.
10:46:36AM YOU KNOW, SO THERE IS -- THERE WILL BE MISTRUST IN
10:46:40AM EVERYTHING.
10:46:41AM WHY DO SUCH A BIG PROJECT WHEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT,
10:46:44AM WHICH GARNER MISTRUST WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES -- NOT
10:46:50AM COMMUNITY, BUT COMMUNITIES.
10:46:52AM THAT IS MY INPUT ON THAT.
10:46:54AM MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS STILL HOUSING.
10:46:56AM AND I WILL SEE YOU SOON ABOUT THAT.
10:46:58AM THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
10:46:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:46:59AM [APPLAUSE]
10:47:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:47:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS LOCKETT.
10:47:06AM COME HERE.
10:47:08AM THE STRENGTH YOU HAVE -- CONDOLENCES.
10:47:11AM >> DON'T MAKE ME CRY.
10:47:11AM I AM GOING TO CRY.
10:47:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WOULD BE HERE TODAY, BUT
10:47:16AM I HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR YOU -- I BELIEVE IT IS SPECIAL.
10:47:19AM MY COLLEAGUES WOULD AGREE.
10:47:21AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION TO
10:47:25AM COMMUNITY ACTIVIST ROBIN LOCKETT FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK.
10:47:30AM GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
10:47:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:47:36AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:47:39AM ALL IN FAVOR.
10:47:39AM OPPOSED.
10:47:41AM >> THANK YOU.
10:47:42AM [APPLAUSE]
10:47:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:48:00AM SANDY SANCHEZ, HOME OF THE MOSQUITO INFESTED PARK.
10:48:08AM I BROUGHT MARTHA VILA TO BE HERE TODAY.
10:48:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:48:14AM GOOD MORNING, GUIDO MANISCALCO, OUR REPRESENTATIVE AND ALL
10:48:22AM MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE YEAR 2022.
10:48:24AM I BET YOU ARE SURPRISED TO SEE ME HERE.
10:48:26AM BUT YOU KNOW HERE I AM CONTINUING TO DO BATTLE FOR THIS
10:48:30AM UNIQUE STORY OF THE VALLEY OF 14 CHILDREN, SEVEN BOYS AND
10:48:35AM SEVEN GIRLS ALL BORN AND RAISED IN OUR WEST TAMPA BACK YARD.
10:48:39AM AND I KNOW SOON YOU WILL BE ASKING ME SOON HOW OLD I AM.
10:48:46AM SO I AM GOING TO TELL YOU.
10:48:47AM NEXT YEAR IN AUGUST, THE PARK IS FINISHED.
10:48:52AM WE CAN ALL MEET THERE TO CELEBRATE MY 90th BIRTHDAY.
10:48:56AM [APPLAUSE]
10:49:01AM AND YOU CAN, AGAIN, HEAR THE STORY OF WILLIE AND JOE AND
10:49:06AM HECTOR AND W MILFORD, I CAN'T FORGET EVERYBODY, W MILFORD,
10:49:13AM ROBERT, NINO AND TONY.
10:49:15AM THESE BROTHERS GAVE ALMOST 50 YEARS OF THEIR LIFE TOTAL IN
10:49:25AM COMBAT DUTY WILLING TO GIVE ALL FOR YOURS AND MY FREEDOM.
10:49:31AM THEIR MOTHER, CARMEN, PROMISING NEVER TO EAT BREAD AGAIN FOR
10:49:35AM THE SAFE RETURN OF HER SONS AND HER PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED
10:49:39AM WHEN ON JULY 4 OF 2005, ALL THE SEVEN BROTHERS WERE PRESENT
10:49:45AM AT THE DEDICATION OF THIS PARK TODAY, ONLY FIVE BROTHERS
10:49:50AM LIVE.
10:49:50AM TODAY ONLY TWO BROTHERS LIVE, FIVE HAVE PASSED AWAY.
10:49:58AM IT WAS QUITE A MOVING DAY AND A PROUD DAY FOR OUR CITY OF
10:50:03AM TAMPA TO INTRODUCE THESE MEN WHO SO ELOQUENTLY REPRESENTED
10:50:09AM OUR FREEDOM.
10:50:09AM ALL I COME TO YOU WITH THE APPRECIATION OF ALL THE SUPPORT
10:50:15AM THE CITY COUNCIL HAS GIVEN, I ALSO COME TO YOU IS A SOMEWHAT
10:50:20AM EMBARRASSED TO BE SEEKING ANSWERS TO THE SAME QUESTIONS WE
10:50:23AM HAVE ASKED FOR SO VERY MANY TIMES, WHEN WILL BE PARK BE
10:50:28AM COMPLETED.
10:50:28AM HOW MANY DIFFERENT ANSWERS WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE SAME
10:50:32AM QUESTION.
10:50:32AM IS IT -- IS IT SO DIFFICULT THAT REQUIRES SO MUCH TIME AND
10:50:38AM EFFORT TO COMPLETE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT?
10:50:40AM THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS DONE THESE PARKS NUMEROUS TIMES AND
10:50:46AM BEFORE IT HAS NOT TAKEN 17 YEARS.
10:50:49AM CERTAINLY WE ARE OVERDO FOR A TRUE ANSWER.
10:50:52AM ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS AND NO ACTIONS SPEAK A TRUE
10:50:57AM STATEMENT.
10:50:57AM FINALLY FOUR MONTHS MONTHS AGO EXCITEMENT WHEN A CREW CAME
10:51:01AM TO THE PARK WITH MACHINERY AND BEGAN TO TEAR DOWN THE
10:51:04AM BASKETBALL COURT.
10:51:05AM IT AND THE WORK HAD STARTED.
10:51:09AM IN ADDITION TO THIS SMALL WORK THAT ONLY DESTROYED THE
10:51:13AM BASKETBALL COURT, THERE HAS BEEN LEFT A MUD PUDDLE FOR
10:51:21AM MOSQUITOES TO BREED THE LAST SIX MONTHS UNTOUCHED AND
10:51:27AM UNCARED FOR.
10:51:28AM THE COMMUNITY THAT SURROUNDS THIS PARK AND THE GREAT WORD
10:51:31AM WITH RESIDENTS AND SANDY SANCHEZ HAS BEEN A STRONG VOICE FOR
10:51:37AM THE PARK.
10:51:37AM THE COMMUNITY HAS GROWN SO VERY MUCH AND SURROUNDED WITH
10:51:41AM VIBRANT YOUNG FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN SEEKING AND NEEDING A
10:51:44AM PLACE TO GROW, LEARN PLAY AND BE FREE.
10:51:49AM WHY HAS THIS PROJECT BEEN LEFT SO NEGLECTED.
10:51:54AM THANK YOU, SANDY, FOR YOUR FAITHFULNESS.
10:51:58AM IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THANKS TO MAYOR CASTOR AND THE CITY
10:52:02AM COUNCIL, $1.7 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED TO COMPLETE THE PARK
10:52:06AM WITH PROMISE THAT THE WORK WOULD START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
10:52:10AM WE ARE HERE ONE YEAR LATER WITH THE FACT THAT REALLY NOTHING
10:52:14AM HAS BEEN DONE OR ACCOMPLISHED.
10:52:15AM OUR HONORABLE MAYOR JANE CASTOR MANY THANKS FOR THE PARKS
10:52:22AM THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGED AND EXTENDED TO THE VILA FAMILY IN
10:52:26AM YEARS OF WORE WORK FOR THIS PARK AND ALL THE WORDS THAT
10:52:30AM STAFF HAS GIVEN TO US.
10:52:32AM BUT THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS WITH NO REAL ANSWER.
10:52:36AM NO WILL IS ATTACHED TO THIS QUESTION.
10:52:41AM BUT PRIDE AND RESPECT FOR OUR LEADERS YOU WHO CARRY A HEAVY
10:52:47AM LOAD OF PEACE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE WONDERFUL CITY WE CALL
10:52:51AM HOME.
10:52:51AM PLEASE ACCEPT THIS PLEA FOR A TRUTHFUL ANSWER.
10:52:57AM WE WANT A FULL PATRIOTIC OF THE COLORS WAVING RED, WHITE AND
10:53:04AM BLUE, NOT ONLY FOR THE SEVEN BROTHERS BUT ALL THOSE WHO
10:53:08AM SERVED AND GENERATIONS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE IN
10:53:11AM DEFENSE TO OF OUR FREEDOM.
10:53:13AM THIS PARK, WHEN COMPLETED, IS CERTAIN TO BECOME THE HOME OF
10:53:17AM THE FREE, BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE.
10:53:20AM AN AIR OF FREEDOM WHEN YOU ENTER ITS GROUNDS.
10:53:26AM THE COLORS OF RED, WHITE AND BLUES WAVING FLAGS OF STARS AND
10:53:30AM STRIPES.
10:53:30AM WE ASK THAT GOD GRANT THIS WORLD PEACE AND SERVE AS A SYMBOL
10:53:36AM OF FREEDOM TO OUR CITY OF TAMPA.
10:53:38AM WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE PARK, BUT UNTIL THEN, GOD BLESS
10:53:42AM AMERICA.
10:53:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:53:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:53:47AM GOOD MORNING, MR. VILA.
10:53:50AM YOU SHOULDN'T BE EMBARRASSED.
10:53:52AM THE WHOLE PROCESS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY
10:53:56AM THAT THE PARK IS NOT COMPLETED.
10:53:58AM BECAUSE BEING HERE FOR THE LAST SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS, I
10:54:01AM HAVE SEEN WHEN SOMETHING HAS A DEADLINE AND SOMEONE OR
10:54:06AM WHATEVER WANTS IT TO GET DONE, IT GETS DONE.
10:54:09AM MY FAVORITE PART OF REFERENCE WAS JULIAN B. LANE PARK $30
10:54:15AM MILLION WHICH WAS A COMPLETE RENOVATION OF A PARK AND HAD A
10:54:19AM DEADLINE OF MOTHER'S DAY.
10:54:20AM I WAS THERE BECAUSE I HAVE THE PHOTOS AND VIDEO WHEN THE
10:54:23AM MAYOR I CAN'T WAS IN THE BACKHOE, WHATEVER IT WAS TO DO THE
10:54:28AM GROUNDSBREAKING.
10:54:29AM AGAIN THAT MOTHER'S DAY WEEKENDS WAS THE DEADLINE AND THAT'S
10:54:33AM WHEN WE WERE THERE.
10:54:33AM THE PARK WAS ALMOST TO FULL COMPLETION BUT OPEN TO THE
10:54:36AM PUBLIC.
10:54:37AM THIS IS AN EXISTING PARK BECAUSE I HAVE DRIVEN BY VILA
10:54:41AM BROTHERS PARK.
10:54:42AM I REMEMBER THE DEDICATION BACK IN 2005 WHEN ALL SEVEN
10:54:46AM BROTHERS WERE ALIVE UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION.
10:54:49AM I DID WHAT I WAS ASKED TO DO IS TRY TO GET THE MONEY IN THE
10:54:53AM BUDGET.
10:54:53AM I GOT THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET WITH THE GRACIOUSNESS OF THE
10:54:56AM ADMINISTRATION.
10:54:57AM THE $1.7 MILLION, $1.8 MILLION TO COMPLETE IT.
10:55:01AM I VOTED FOR THE BUDGET.
10:55:03AM WE PASSED THE BUDGET.
10:55:04AM THE FISCAL YEAR ENDS SEPTEMBER 30 AND BEGINS OCTOBER 1.
10:55:08AM THAT WAS 2021, TO OCTOBER 1.
10:55:11AM WE ARE APPROACHING -- WE HAVE OUR SECONDS BUDGET HEARING
10:55:14AM THIS WEEK ON TUESDAY FOR THE NEXT BUDGET, OKAY.
10:55:17AM SO THERE IS NO EXCUSE THIS SHOULD BE HELD UP.
10:55:20AM I UNDERSTAND THERE HAS BEEN COVID.
10:55:22AM I UNDERSTAND THE CATCHPHRASE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.
10:55:27AM THIS IS A PARK.
10:55:28AM THESE ARE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING SOURCED WITHIN THE UNITED
10:55:32AM STATES.
10:55:32AM LOCAL CONTRACTORS, I WOULD ASSUME.
10:55:35AM YOU HAVE COME HERE MANY TIMES.
10:55:37AM I HAVE BEEN TO YOUR HOUSE.
10:55:38AM THE MAYOR HAS BEEN TO YOUR HOUSE.
10:55:40AM WE HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
10:55:43AM I TALKED TO MISS SANDY SANCHEZ AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE
10:55:47AM NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF THIS.
10:55:48AM AS YOU SAY YOU TURN 90 YEARS OLD.
10:55:51AM MAY YOU LIVE TO BE 100 OR MORE.
10:55:53AM TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
10:55:56AM WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.
10:55:57AM YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.
10:55:58AM YOU AND I AND MANY OF US FOR VETERANS DAY CELEBRATIONS,
10:56:03AM OTHER CELEBRATIONS IN THE PARK AND WONDERFUL BECAUSE -- I
10:56:06AM DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY.
10:56:07AM ACROSS FROM THE JCC, ANOTHER WONDERFUL PROJECT AND THE NAME
10:56:12AM VILA BROTHERS AND THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO THIS COMMUNITY AND
10:56:16AM THE SACRIFICE THEY MADE.
10:56:17AM I HAVE AN UPDATE LIST, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SHOULD STICK BY.
10:56:22AM OCTOBER 2022, INSTALLATION OF COURT FENCING, WEST PROPERTY
10:56:27AM LINE FENCE.
10:56:28AM NOVEMBER, ONGOING SITE WORK.
10:56:31AM WE ARE NOT STOPPING.
10:56:32AM COORDINATION WITH LANDSCAPE AND ELECTRICAL IN TEASE.
10:56:35AM JANUARY, INSTALLING OF PLAYGROUNDS AND SHELTERS TO BEGIN
10:56:39AM WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN ORDERED FROM MY UNDERSTANDING -- I
10:56:43AM DON'T KNOW -- FOUR MONTHS AGO MAYBE AROUND APRIL.
10:56:45AM WHAT IS THE HOLD-UP THERE WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN IF THEY HAVE
10:56:49AM ALREADY BEEN ORDERED.
10:56:50AM FEBRUARY, INSTALLATION OF DOG PARK FENCING, ARTIFICIAL TURF,
10:56:56AM PICNIC TABLES, REIS SEPTEMBER CALS AND BENCHES.
10:57:00AM MODIFICATIONS TO ENTRY GATES.
10:57:01AM MARCH 2023, COMPLETION AND RIBBON CUTTING.
10:57:05AM >> MARCH.
10:57:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARCH, COMPLETELY FINISHED WITH THE
10:57:12AM RIBBON CUTTING.
10:57:13AM I KNOW YOUR BIRTHDAY IS AFTER THEN.
10:57:16AM AND WE CAN CELEBRATE THEN.
10:57:18AM WE NEED TO GET THIS PARK DONE.
10:57:20AM I HAVE SEEN IT WITH OTHER PROJECTS AND OTHER DEADLINES BEING
10:57:23AM MEANT.
10:57:24AM NO EXCUSE.
10:57:25AM MARCH 7, 2023 IS ELECTION DAY AND TAKE IT TO THE BALLOT BOX.
10:57:31AM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW -- WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH
10:57:39AM CITY COUNCIL TO GET THE FUNDING.
10:57:41AM WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.
10:57:42AM TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
10:57:44AM I WANT YOU TO BE THERE.
10:57:45AM I WANT YOUR TWO BROTHER-IN-LAWS TO BE THERE.
10:57:48AM THE REING VILA BROTHERS SO THEY CAN SEE IT AND WE CAN ENJOY
10:57:54AM THIS PARK.
10:57:55AM THANK YOU.
10:57:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:57:59AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO SAY HI TO MARTHA.
10:58:01AM I LOVE TO YOU DEATH.
10:58:03AM YOU ARE SUCH A SWEETHEART.
10:58:05AM THE CITY OF TAMPA HONORS YOUR FAMILY AND SERVICE.
10:58:09AM IN FACT 72 YEARS OLD, LIEUTENANT BALTIMERO LOPEZ GAVE ALL IN
10:58:17AM KOREA AND GO ON AFTER HIS DEATH TO GET THE MEDAL OF HONOR.
10:58:21AM I BELIEVE THE FIRST PERSON FROM TAMPA TO GET THAT.
10:58:24AM IN OUR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREA, WE HAVE OVER 100,000
10:58:28AM VETERANS HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
10:58:29AM WE ARE A PATRIOTIC COUNTY AND CITY.
10:58:32AM WE ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR FAMILY, INCLUDING YOUR WONDERFUL
10:58:37AM HECTOR WHO RESTS AT FLORIDA NATIONAL CEMETERY AT BUSCH.
10:58:42AM I KNOW YOU ARE PROUD OF HIM.
10:58:44AM TO SAY WE LOVE YOU.
10:58:45AM I LOVE YOU.
10:58:46AM CITY OF TAMPA LOVES YOU AND WE WILL FIGHT FOR THIS TO
10:58:50AM HAPPEN.
10:58:51AM >> I THANK YOU.
10:58:52AM I HAVE OF THIS WHICH IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE HAVE PICTURE CAN OF
10:58:59AM THE SEVEN BROTHERS.
10:59:00AM IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE SOME, YOU ARE WELCOME.
10:59:04AM AND I DON'T KNOW IF -- I AM GOING TO PUT UP THE PICTURE THAT
10:59:09AM WAS TAKEN FOR THE SEVEN BROTHERS LOOKING TO BRING IT.
10:59:16AM BRING IT DOWN.
10:59:17AM MY HUSBAND FAVORED SAYING THAT IT WAS HIS DUTY TO HIS
10:59:24AM COUNTRY TO LOVE IT.
10:59:26AM TO SUPPORT ITS CONSTITUTION.
10:59:28AM TO OBEY ITS LAWS AND TO RESPECT ITS FLAG.
10:59:34AM AND TO DEFEND HER IN ALL DUTIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
10:59:41AM THAT WAS HIS BELIEF.
10:59:44AM OUR DUTY TO LOVE OUR COUNTRY AND RESPECT IT.
10:59:47AM I HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL IN AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR, BUT BEFORE
10:59:54AM THAT IN MARCH, BECAUSE I WILL BE BACK IN.
10:59:59AM I AM NOT GIVING UP.
11:00:00AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:00:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:00:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:00:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: MISS VILA, SORRY YOU HAD TO DO THIS.
11:00:13AM AND YOU DESCRIBED THE PROBLEMS.
11:00:15AM I APOLOGIZE THAT I DIDN'T WORK HARDER TO TRY TO GET THIS
11:00:18AM DONE.
11:00:18AM I KNOW SEVERAL OF US ON COUNCIL HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR YEARS.
11:00:21AM AND IT -- IT IS REALLY DESPICABLE THAT TWO ADMINISTRATIONS
11:00:26AM HAVE USED THIS AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.
11:00:28AM A PARK THAT HONORS SPECIFIC VETERANS BUT ALSO ALL VETERANS.
11:00:33AM I WOULD JUST APPEAL TO THE HUMANITY OF THE ADMINISTRATION TO
11:00:37AM THE -- TO THE -- TO THE ETHICS OF THE ADMINISTRATION TO
11:00:42AM PLEASE GET THIS DONE.
11:00:43AM HERE IS A WIDOW PRACTICALLY BEGGING US TO GET THIS PARK DONE
11:00:50AM AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE UNDER THE LAST ADMINISTRATION.
11:00:53AM OUR CHANCE TO FIX THIS.
11:00:54AM BUT LET'S NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL ANYMORE.
11:00:58AM SORE RADIO HE THEY USE THIS AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.
11:01:00AM WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS DONE AND I WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE
11:01:04AM TO SHOW THIS -- SHOW THIS CUP TO RECOGNIZE AND TALK ABOUT
11:01:08AM THE PARK.
11:01:08AM AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE.
11:01:10AM THANK YOU.
11:01:10AM >> THANK YOU.
11:01:11AM ANYTHING ELSE?
11:01:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE LOVE YOU, MISS VILA.
11:01:19AM >> I LOVE YOU ALL.
11:01:20AM GOD LOVES YOU.
11:01:22AM AND HECTOR LOVED AND RESPECTED ALL OF YOU VERY MUCH.
11:01:25AM THANK YOU
11:01:28AM [APPLAUSE]
11:01:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS ON LINE.
11:01:42AM MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU THERE?
11:01:47AM MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU WITH US?
11:01:50AM ARE YOU MUTED, MISS POYNOR?
11:01:58AM LET'S GO TO MISS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:02:02AM MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU THERE?
11:02:07AM >> HI.
11:02:07AM MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
11:02:12AM I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO SAY NO TO CONTINUANCE ON PURE AND TO
11:02:16AM SAY NO TO PURE ITSELF.
11:02:18AM T.H.A.N. TOOK A VOTE OF ITS MEMBERSHIP, AND NOT A SINGLE
11:02:25AM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, NOT ONE, SAYS THAT THEY WANTED
11:02:29AM THIS TO BE CONTINUED.
11:02:30AM NOT ONE SAID THEY WANTED MORE FUNDING.
11:02:33AM I AM THE -- I AM ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE PURE GROUP
11:02:37AM REPRESENTING T.H.A.N.
11:02:38AM IN FEBRUARY, THAT GROUP RELUCTANTLY AND HESITANTLY AND TOO
11:02:45AM TRUSTINGLY SPOKE IN FAVOR OF SPENDING $1 MILLION ON CHECKING
11:02:50AM ALTERNATIVES AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.
11:02:52AM AND THEN WE WERE SANDBAGGED IN JULY WITH REQUESTS TO DOUBLE
11:02:57AM THAT BUDGET WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR THE FIRST $1 MILLION.
11:03:01AM AND NO ACCOUNTING FOR IT.
11:03:03AM WE WERE TOLD THE MONEY WAS GONE.
11:03:05AM THEN LATER WE WERE TOLD ONLY $400,000 WAS SPENT.
11:03:09AM BUT THAT THE WORK PRODUCT OF THAT $400,000 WITH AS SO POOR
11:03:12AM THAT WE HAD TO START OVER AGAIN.
11:03:15AM THEY SAID THE STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE SEEN THE
11:03:18AM WORK PRODUCT AND AGREED.
11:03:19AM I HAVE YET TO FIND ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO SAW THAT
11:03:23AM WORK PRODUCT.
11:03:24AM WE HAVE ASKED TO SEE IT.
11:03:25AM AND WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
11:03:28AM WHEN THEY ASKED FOR MORE MONEY IN JULY, THEY SAID YOU TOLD
11:03:33AM US YOU WANTED US TO DO AN AN A MALL IN SIS OF ALTERNATIVES
11:03:37AM AND PUBLIC OUTREACH.
11:03:38AM WE ARE NEEDING THE SECOND MILLION DOLLAR TO DO WHAT YOU
11:03:43AM ASKED FOR.
11:03:43AM IGNORING THE FACT WE ALREADY GAVE THEM A MILLION TO DO IT.
11:03:48AM ONE METHOD THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING.
11:03:50AM PUTTING IT IN THE RESERVOIR.
11:03:53AM PUT IT IN THE LOWER RIVER.
11:03:55AM PUTTING IN IN THE AQUIFER.
11:03:57AM THEY SAY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
11:04:00AM AND THEY CHAIR IT TO WHAT THE CITIES OUT WEST.
11:04:02AM THEY USE REVERSE OSMOSIS AND UV.
11:04:05AM IT IS NOT THE SAME THING.
11:04:06AM THEY HAVE AN ARID CLIMATE THAT IS NOT SUBTROPICAL.
11:04:10AM THEIR NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN OURS.
11:04:12AM I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT THE COMPANY WHO IS
11:04:16AM GOING TO BUILD IT IS ALSO THE COMPANY THEY HIRED WHAT IS THE
11:04:19AM BEST OPTION.
11:04:19AM WHAT COULD GO WRONG?
11:04:21AM I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY ARE -- THEY ARE GOING TO CHOOSE THE
11:04:25AM OPTION THAT IS ABOUTEST FOR THEM INSTEAD COUNTY OPTION THAT
11:04:27AM IS BEST FOR US.
11:04:28AM WE HAD AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ONLY COST $-- AN ANALYSIS
11:04:34AM FROM FR ONTERA THAT WAS $100,000.
11:04:37AM IT WASN'T PERFECT BUT HECK OF CHEAPER THAN MILLION.
11:04:41AM THE PROPOSED WOULD COST $3.4 BILLION
11:04:45AM WE HEAR OF THIS 10,000 EVEN IF.
11:04:48AM 900 YEARS TO SPEND 3.4 BILLION FOR THOSE FINES TO EQUAL 3.4
11:04:53AM BILLION DOLLARS.
11:04:54AM THIS IS A LEGACY PROJECT OF BOB BUCKHORN.
11:04:59AM WE DON'T NEED IT.
11:05:01AM WE DON'T WANT IT.
11:05:02AM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SAY NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES
11:05:05AM NO.
11:05:05AM THANK YOU.
11:05:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU ONLINE?
11:05:15AM MISS POYNOR?
11:05:23AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:05:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW WE CAN.
11:05:26AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:05:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW WE CAN.
11:05:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:05:29AM SORRY ABOUT THAT.
11:05:30AM I READ THE ENTIRE AGENDA AS I TRY TO DO EVERY WEEK, AND I
11:05:34AM PUBLISH A CHEAT SHEET ON THE T.H.A.N. FACEBOOK PAGE.
11:05:37AM SO CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE.
11:05:41AM TALK OF ITEM NUMBER 70, ETHIC COMMISSION REPORT.
11:05:44AM SECTION 2-651, INDEPENDENT DECISION MAKING GROUP.
11:05:50AM FIVE MEMBERS ARE NOMINATED TO THIS GROUP, THE ETHICS
11:05:53AM COMMISSION, THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION
11:05:56AM NOMINATES TWO, STETSON UNIVERSITY NOMINATES ONE, THE DEAN
11:06:01AM OF USF OR UT NOMINATES ANOTHER.
11:06:04AM AND THE MAYOR GETS ONE PICK, YET NEARLY 125,000 SPENT LAST
11:06:09AM YEAR INVESTIGATING THE ETHICS OF TWO OUR CITY COUNCILMEN
11:06:13AM BEFORE GOING -- GOING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.
11:06:16AM HOW DO I KNOW THIS?
11:06:18AM WELL, MISS BRICKLEMYER, THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMISSION SAID IN
11:06:23AM APRIL THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY ETHICS COMPLAINTS IN FOUR YEARS.
11:06:26AM WHO ORDERED THE EXPENDITURE OF $125,000 OF OUR TAX DOLLARS
11:06:31AM IF THE ETHICS FOLKS DID NOT?
11:06:34AM WHY HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BODY WHEN THEY ARE BEING UTILIZED --
11:06:38AM WHEN THEY AREN'T BEING UTILIZED AS THE INDEPENDENT BODY THAT
11:06:41AM THEY ARE.
11:06:42AM I WILL ASK OUR COUNCILMEMBERS TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CITY
11:06:45AM FUNDS NOT BE SPENT ON ETHICS INVESTIGATIONS IN THE FUTURE
11:06:50AM WITHOUT THE REQUEST OF THIS COMMISSION.
11:06:51AM SEEMS LIKE A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO A HUGE PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN
11:06:54AM CREATED OVER THE LAST YEAR.
11:06:56AM I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE A SECOND MOTION THAT THERE IS AN
11:07:00AM AMENDMENT TO EXCEPTION 2-651 THAT SAYS IF ONE OF THESE
11:07:05AM ESTABLISHMENTS ARE UNABLE TO NOMINATE SOMEONE, THAT THAT
11:07:08AM CHOICE BE MOVED TO THE CITY COUNCIL INSTEAD OF THE MAYOR.
11:07:11AM THAT WAY IT IS TOTALLY EQUITABLE.
11:07:13AM WE SPENT $400,000 OF OUR MONEY, TAX DOLLARS ON PURE.
11:07:21AM WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IT, BUT WE WANT $2 MILLION MORE.
11:07:25AM POOR STEWARDSHIP OF OUR MONEY TO SAY THE LEAST.
11:07:29AM I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT $400,000 LOOKS LIKE.
11:07:32AM I NEVER SPENT $400,000 ON ANYTHING BEFORE.
11:07:35AM IT IS A INCH FILE OR A SIX-INCH FILE.
11:07:39AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:07:39AM BUT I DO KNOW THAT I DON'T LIKE TO SEE OUR MONEY WASTED.
11:07:44AM $400,000 IS TWO-THIRDS OF THE SIDEWALK BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR
11:07:48AM AND LAST YEAR EACH SEPARATELY.
11:07:50AM THE STORMWATER PLANS ON 7 AND 8.
11:07:53AM I WOULD LIKE TO THANK JEAN SFROHMEYER WORKING HER BUTT YOU
11:08:01AM HAVE WITH THESE FOLKS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A NATURAL BOX,
11:08:04AM NOT A SQUARE BOX TO HOLD WATER IN.
11:08:07AM 13 AND 14, I THINK WE NEED THIS PROTECTION FOR CITY COUNCIL
11:08:10AM AND ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING
11:08:14AM SUED FRIVOLOUSLY.
11:08:17AM NUMBER 58, YOU KNOW IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA WHICH KIND
11:08:23AM OF SHOCKED ME BECAUSE ANSWERED ONE OF MISS HURTAK -- OR
11:08:26AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S ISSUES LAST WEEK AND SUPPORT THE VILA
11:08:30AM BROTHERS PARK JUST FORGP.
11:08:31AM THANK YOU.
11:08:33AM HAVE A GOOD DAY.
11:08:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MISS YOU STROHMEY ER, ARE YOU
11:08:39AM WITH US.
11:08:40AM >> HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
11:08:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
11:08:43AM >> HELLO, ANY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, INTERBAY SOUTH OF
11:08:50AM GANDY.
11:08:50AM AND I AM ON THE ROAD SO I DON'T HAVE MY AGENDA TO SPEAK TO
11:08:54AM AT ALL THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ON, BUT I WILL GO
11:08:57AM AHEAD AN VOICE MY PUBLIC OPPOSITION TO PURE OR THE
11:09:01AM CONTINUANCE OF THAT.
11:09:02AM AND I ALSO WANT TO GIVE MY SUPPORT SO LONG AS FOR MY ELAPP,
11:09:10AM MY BEAUTIFUL ELAPP PARK PRESERVE INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY, AS
11:09:17AM LONG AS THAT GOES ACCORDING TO OUR -- OUR NEGOTIATIONS AND
11:09:20AM IT GOES ACCORDING TO THE PLAN THAT WE ALL SAT DOWN WITH THE
11:09:24AM COMMUNITY AND AGREED TO.
11:09:26AM THEN I JUST WANT TO SUPPORT THAT.
11:09:28AM AND THANKS TO THE -- TO THE GROUP -- WHAT WAS THE OTHER
11:09:34AM CONSTRUCTION -- I CAN'T THINK I AM ON THE ROAD.
11:09:36AM BUT THANKS TO JOHN ZIMINA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR PURE
11:09:43AM AND HELPING TO SUPPORT OUR PARK AND YOU ALL THREE SUPPORT
11:09:46AM THAT.
11:09:46AM AND THE LOWER URBAN PENINSULA.
11:09:51AM AND US HAVING A REALLY NICE PARK FOR THE COMMUNITY.
11:09:54AM IF IT WAS MY WAY I WOULD HAVE KEPT IT THE WOODS AND ROUGH,
11:09:57AM BUT IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT ME.
11:09:58AM ANYWAY Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY AND I WILL SEE YOU LATER.
11:10:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:10:03AM DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE?
11:10:12AM THANK YOU.
11:10:12AM WE WILL GO TO AGENDA ITEM -- ITEM -- EXCUSE ME AGENDA ITEM
11:10:19AM NUMBER 5.
11:10:19AM I AM SORRY, DO 4.
11:10:26AM MISS FEELEY.
11:10:30AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:10:33AM ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
11:10:39AM JC HUTCHENS, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHO IS REMOTE IN FROM
11:10:44AM KENTUCKY.
11:10:45AM HE IS COMING BACK FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL
11:10:49AM CONFERENCE THIS MORNING.
11:10:50AM BUT HERE TODAY JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON SOME
11:10:54AM ADDITIONAL CHANGES WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AT THE CONSTRUCTION
11:10:58AM SERVICES DIVISION.
11:10:59AM I HEARD FROM MANY OF YOU OVER THE PAST MONTH IN RELATION
11:11:02AM WITH PERMITTING, TAKING ADDITIONAL TIME, NUMBERS OF COMMENTS
11:11:05AM COMING IN.
11:11:06AM AND STARTING OCTOBER 1, WE ARE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING WHAT
11:11:09AM WE ARE REFERRING TO AS A SUFFICIENCY CHECKLIST.
11:11:14AM AND THAT WILL REALLY START TO CHANGE THE INTAKE THAT COME
11:11:19AM INTO THE DEPARTMENT.
11:11:20AM ONE OF THE EXAMPLES I GAVE YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT A
11:11:24AM PERMIT MAY COME IN.
11:11:25AM IT MAY BE MISSING ITS ENERGY CALCULATIONS.
11:11:27AM IT MAY BE MISSING ITS FLORIDA PRODUCT APPROVAL.
11:11:30AM IT MAY BE MISSING OUR MECHANICAL PLAN.
11:11:32AM AND WE HAVE BEEN TAKING THOSE PERMITS IN.
11:11:34AM AND THEN ASKING THOSE ITEMS AS PART OF THE FIRST REVIEW.
11:11:37AM WE ARE GOING TO NOW REQUIRE THOSE ITEMS BEFORE THEY ARE
11:11:41AM ACCEPTED IN AS A PERMIT IN ORDER TO STOP THAT CYCLE OF
11:11:46AM ASKING FOR THOSE ITEMS AND MAKING SURE THE PERMITS ARE MORE
11:11:49AM SUFFICIENT FOR BOTH THE CLIENTS AND FOR OUR TEAM IN ORDER TO
11:11:53AM MORE EFFECTIVELY DO THOSE REVIEWS.
11:11:55AM THE OTHER THING IS, IN TERMS OF THESE REVIEWS, A PERMIT
11:11:59AM REVIEW, WHEN YOU GET TO THE THIRD REVIEW, AN ADDITIONAL FEE
11:12:03AM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
11:12:04AM WE BELIEVE THAT EMPLOYING THIS AND BRINGING IN A BETTER
11:12:07AM EXAMPLE AT THE ONSET WE WILL BE REDUCING THOSE NUMBERS OF
11:12:11AM THIRD REVIEWS AND ABLE TO SAVE OUR CUSTOMERS MONEY AND TIME.
11:12:18AM THIS WILL BE A WIN-WIN.
11:12:19AM WE WILL START MESSAGE THIS THROUGH OUR ACELA PROGRAM AND OUR
11:12:24AM CLIENTS TO LET'S THEM KNOW WHAT FORTHCOMING AND WE WANTED TO
11:12:28AM LET YOU KNOW WHAT WAS COMING BEFORE THAT OCTOBER 1
11:12:31AM IMPLEMENTATION TIME.
11:12:32AM I'M HERE TODAY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:12:34AM HEY, JC.
11:12:36AM AND JC ALSO, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK.
11:12:40AM BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO IMPROVE THIS PROCESS.
11:12:42AM I KNOW YOU SUPPORTED US WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY
11:12:45AM COMPLIANCE TEAM.
11:12:46AM THAT TEAM LAST YEAR WAS ONLY -- WE HAD ABOUT 100 STOP WORK
11:12:52AM ORDERS LAST YEAR SINCE WE PUT THE CACT IN.
11:12:56AM WE HAVE BEEN DOING 100 STOP WORK ORDER AS MONTH WHICH IS
11:13:00AM ALLOWING US TO CAPTURE PERMITS THAT WERE NOT BEING APPLIED
11:13:04AM FOR WITHIN THE CITY.
11:13:05AM SO JC IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
11:13:09AM GREAT TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION AND ALWAYS AVAILABLE SHOULD
11:13:13AM YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:13:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:13:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS.
11:13:18AM YOUR TEAM IS WORKING VERY HARD.
11:13:21AM THE FACT THAT FOLKS WILL HAVE A CHECKLIST BEFORE THEY EVEN
11:13:23AM GET STARTED IS WONDERFUL.
11:13:24AM I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT THESE
11:13:28AM TYPES OF PROGRAMS.
11:13:28AM AND I THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
11:13:32AM I KNOW YOU WANTED TO GET IN FRONT OF US NOW TO GET THE
11:13:35AM PUBLIC TO LEARN ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
11:13:36AM AND I HOPE THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEND OUT THINGS WITH
11:13:39AM COMMUNICATION TO THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM BECAUSE THIS IS
11:13:43AM REALLY CRITICAL.
11:13:44AM AND IT REALLY HELPS THE PUBLIC, BUT WHAT IT REALLY DOES IS
11:13:48AM HELP STAFF TIME SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW IT A THIRD
11:13:55AM TIME.
11:13:55AM TRULY APPRECIATE IT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO AN UPDATE IN SIX
11:14:00AM MONTHS THAT TELL US HOW IT IS GOING.
11:14:03AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABSOLUTELY.
11:14:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:14:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE YOU WERE TRYING TO HELP
11:14:08AM FACILITATE.
11:14:09AM BUT THE PEOPLE DIDN'T DO THEIR PART.
11:14:12AM NOT ALL OF THEM BUT MOST OF THEM.
11:14:14AM HAD THE BACKLOG AND CHANGES TO GET THE ITEMS OFF THE AGENDA.
11:14:18AM I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.
11:14:19AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:14:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LONG TIME COMING.
11:14:24AM WE TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME AND GLAD WE ARE GOING TO
11:14:28AM IMPLEMENT SOMETHING.
11:14:29AM TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THESE FOLKS.
11:14:31AM A BUMP IN THE ROAD.
11:14:34AM PEOPLE SAY WELL, THAT IS THE WAY YOU ALWAYS HAVE DONE IT.
11:14:37AM SOMETIMES CHANGE IS GOOD AND A ROBUST CONVERSATION.
11:14:41AM AND STOP OUR DOCKET FROM BEING HERE LATE AT NIGHT 15 TO 16
11:14:46AM CASE.
11:14:46AM APPLAUD YOU FOR GET THIS GOING.
11:14:49AM THANK YOU, JC.
11:14:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU WORKED HARD ON THIS.
11:14:53AM THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MINE AND THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS
11:14:57AM CONCERNS.
11:14:57AM HOPE THIS WORKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY.
11:14:59AM THANK YOU, MISS FEELEY.
11:15:01AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.
11:15:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW LET'S --
11:15:06AM >> MR. CHAIR.
11:15:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:15:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF OF STAFF IF
11:15:13AM HE IS STILL HERE.
11:15:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HE HAS LEFT.
11:15:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: GUILT AND STATE THIS AND MAYBE HE CAN COME
11:15:20AM UP.
11:15:20AM I WANT TO LET MY COLLEAGUES AND THE PUBLIC KNOW FOR SEVERAL
11:15:23AM WEEKS NOW, I HAVE BEEN ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO CALL A
11:15:26AM HALT TO THE ATTACKS AGAINST CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:15:29AM AND WE -- WE GATHERED DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE NOW THAT THE
11:15:34AM MAYOR'S STAFF HAD BEEN CLUING DOING OPPOSITION RESEARCH
11:15:38AM AGAINST COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:15:39AM COORDINATING WITH OPPONENTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:15:42AM SETTING COUNCILMEMBERS UP AGAINST EACH OTHER.
11:15:45AM CELEBRATING ATTACKS AGAINST CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, ETC.
11:15:49AM AND YOU ALL MAY HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ABOUT THAT IN PART.
11:15:53AM LAST WEEK THERE WAS ANOTHER ATTACK AGAINST FORMER
11:15:57AM COUNCILMEMBER JOHN DINGFELDER THAT RESULTED IN AT LEAST ONE
11:16:00AM STORY.
11:16:01AM WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION
11:16:03AM THAT WAS DONE.
11:16:04AM AND THIS ONE COST $23,000.
11:16:07AM I DON'T KNOW IF MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE IS THERE BUT HAS THREE
11:16:12AM PAGES I WOULD LIKE TO PASS OUT IF SHE IS AVAILABLE.
11:16:15AM THE FIRST ONE IS THE CONTRACT -- OR THE -- THE -- THE LETTER
11:16:20AM TO PROCEED WITH THE -- WITH THE -- FOR THE INVESTIGATION OF
11:16:25AM FORMER COUNCILMEMBER.
11:16:26AM AND THE SECOND TWO ARE COPIES OF THE -- YOU -- AND
11:16:32AM HIGHLIGHTS OF THE CHARTER WHICH I -- WHICH I REVIEWED WHEN
11:16:36AM CITY ATTORNEY ZELMAN WAS CONFIRMED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
11:16:40AM THERE WAS NO -- FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR ATTACKS
11:16:44AM AGAINST CITY COUNCIL TO END.
11:16:45AM AND I WOULD LIKE THE LEAKS TO STOP.
11:16:47AM AND THE BEHIND-THE-SCENES ATTACKS TO STOP.
11:16:50AM SECOND, MISS ZELMAN, WHO IS NOW OBJECTLINE I CAN SEE
11:16:55AM CONFIRMED IN HER CONFIRMATION THAT CITY COUNCIL BY CHARTER
11:16:59AM IS ONE OF HER CLIENTS.
11:17:00AM THE PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY PROVED THIS REVIEW THAT YOU ARE
11:17:05AM SEEING.
11:17:06AM SO IT WAS UNDER -- UNDER A DIFFERENT HEAD, NOT MISS ZELMAN.
11:17:10AM BUT IT COULD BE THAT THE LAST CITY ATTORNEY DIDN'T THINK
11:17:13AM THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS A CLIENT.
11:17:15AM ATTACKING A FORMER CITY COUNCILMEMBER HURTS THE CITY COUNCIL
11:17:19AM ITSELF.
11:17:20AM BY FLORIDA BAR RULES, THERE SHOULD BE NO INVESTIGATION OF A
11:17:27AM CITY COUNCILMEMBER WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF HEADS-UP
11:17:31AM ABOUT THAT.
11:17:31AM I AT LEAST WAS NOT GIVEN AN HEADS-UP ABOUT THIS
11:17:35AM INVESTIGATION.
11:17:35AM I WAS NOT GIVEN A HEADS-UP OF THE PRIOR INVESTIGATIONS
11:17:39AM BEFORE THEY WERE DONE.
11:17:40AM I WAS NOT GIVEN A HEADS-UP TO THE $140,000 TO INVESTIGATE
11:17:45AM AND ATTACK COUNCILMEMBER GUDES.
11:17:48AM THERE COULD BE INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON OF ANY OF US THAT WE
11:17:51AM WOULDN'T BE AWARE OF RIGHT NOW.
11:17:52AM THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CHART THEIR SAYS THEY HAVE A RIGHT
11:17:55AM TO KEEP THIS INFORMATION FROM US.
11:17:57AM AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, NOTHING IN THE CHARTER THAT GIVES THE
11:18:00AM CITY ATTORNEY THE SOLE RIGHT TO APPROVE DOING INVESTIGATIONS
11:18:06AM LIKE THIS.
11:18:07AM THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE MAYOR DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO
11:18:09AM APPROVE CONTRACTS WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
11:18:12AM AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPROVE THE EXPENDITURES
11:18:14AM WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
11:18:16AM AND NOW WE HAVE $200,000 OR MORE OF OUTSIDE RESOURCES NOT TO
11:18:20AM MENTION THE INTERNAL RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE AND ATTACK
11:18:23AM CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:18:25AM I WOULD JUST CALL ON THE ADMINISTRATION TO STOP THESE
11:18:30AM ATTACKS AND FOR THE MAYOR TO APOLOGIZE.
11:18:33AM ANY REASONABLE ADMINISTRATION THAT THE MAYOR WAS NOT
11:18:37AM PERSONALLY INVOLVED AND DIRECTED THIS.
11:18:38AM ANY REASONABLE ADMINISTRATION STEP UP AND BE HORRIFIED BY
11:18:42AM THIS, STOP THIS.
11:18:43AM LET SOME PEOPLE GO.
11:18:44AM CHANGE THE PROCESS SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AND WORK TO
11:18:49AM REBUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH CITY COUNCIL SI WOULD LIKE TO
11:18:54AM MAKE A MOTION WE BRING ON THE AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 6 FOR THE
11:18:57AM ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE FOR THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO EXPLAIN WHY
11:19:01AM THESE INVESTIGATIONS GO ON WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
11:19:04AM WHY CONTRACTS ARE BEING PASSED WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL
11:19:08AM APPROVAL.
11:19:08AM AND WHY EXPENDITURES ARE BEING MADE WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL
11:19:12AM APPROVAL WHEN THE CHARTER DOES NOT ALLOW THAT.
11:19:14AM FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO EXPLAIN THE
11:19:20AM MAYOR'S POSITION WHETHER THE MAYOR IS WILLING TO CALL A HALT
11:19:23AM TO THESE ATTACKS OR NOT.
11:19:26AM I AM NOT ASKING FOR A LEGAL OPINION NOW, BUT I WANTED TO PUT
11:19:29AM THAT ON THE AGENDA AND THAT IS MY MOTION FOR OCTOBER 6.
11:19:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
11:19:34AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MR. CHAIR IF I MAY.
11:19:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:19:41AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I AM GETTING OVER COVID.
11:19:43AM I AM AT THE STAGE WHERE I HAVE TO WEAR A MASK.
11:19:45AM RATHER THAN TRYING TO SPEAK TO YOU THROUGH THE MASK IN THE
11:19:48AM CHAMBERS, I THOUGHT I WOULD STAY IN MY OFFICE AND APPEAR
11:19:52AM VIRTUALLY.
11:19:52AM COUNCILMAN, I WILL ASK YOU -- YOU KEEP TALKING OF ATTACKS ON
11:19:56AM COUNCILMEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LISTENED TO YOU OVER AND OVER
11:20:00AM AGAIN ATTACK GINA GRIMES, ATTACK THE ADMINISTRATION, AND I
11:20:05AM -- AGAIN, WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT A RESET, I MET FOR ALL OF
11:20:08AM THAT TO STOP.
11:20:10AM WE DON'T GAIN ANYTHING TALKING TO EACH OTHER THAT WAY.
11:20:13AM I TRIED TALK WITH YOU IN MORE DETAIL IN PERSON, BUT WE
11:20:21AM WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT -- OR BY PHONE, I SHOULD SAY.
11:20:24AM LET ME BRIEFLY EXPLAIN TO THOSE LISTENING.
11:20:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR --
11:20:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET MISS ZELMAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
11:20:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T APPRECIATES THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I
11:20:36AM ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THIS TO STOP.
11:20:38AM ONCE THE MAYOR APOLOGIZES, I WILL STOP BRINGING UP THESE
11:20:41AM HIGHLIGHTS.
11:20:42AM AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE LIKE THEY DID LAST WEEK, HIGHLIGHT
11:20:45AM IT FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THE PUB IS FED UP WITH IT, WE NEED
11:20:49AM IT TO STOP.
11:20:50AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
11:20:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS ZELMAN, CAN YOU FINISH.
11:20:56AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST MR. DINGFELDER WERE
11:21:00AM NEVER INTENDED TO BE AN ATTACK ON HIM.
11:21:02AM WHEN GINA WAS STILL IN OFFICE AND THE LITIGATION WAS
11:21:07AM ONGOING, SHE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY
11:21:10AM REPRESENTING MR. MICHELINI THAT OUTLINED SEVERAL ALLEGED
11:21:14AM VIOLATIONS.
11:21:15AM STATE LAW AND THE CITY ETHICS CODE THAT HE UNCOVERED ON
11:21:23AM ALLEGED HE UNCOVERED IN THE TEXT MESSAGES AND E-MAILS
11:21:26AM PROVIDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
11:21:28AM WHEN OUR OFFICE REVIEWED MR. DINGFELDERER'S TEXTS AND
11:21:35AM E-MAILS, WE DISCOVERED WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE VIOLATIONS OF
11:21:39AM THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE.
11:21:41AM AROUND THAT SAME TIME, MR. DINGFELDER RESIGNED.
11:21:45AM OUR OFFICE WAS FACED A QUESTION WHETHER WE HAD AN OBLIGATION
11:21:50AM TO REPORT THOSE ALLEGATIONS TO THE STATE OR TO ANYBODY.
11:21:56AM IT WAS A MURKY QUESTION.
11:21:59AM WE WERE UNCLEAR OF.
11:22:00AM UNCLEAR ABOUT.
11:22:02AM MISS GRIMES CONTACTED THE FLORIDA BAR.
11:22:06AM THEIR ADVICE WAS TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL DO AN
11:22:10AM INVESTIGATION.
11:22:10AM WE ALSO SPOKE WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND OTHERS IN LOCAL
11:22:14AM GOVERNMENT.
11:22:14AM THEY SAID THE SAME THING, THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE OUR OFFICE
11:22:18AM ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
11:22:20AM WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND ASK AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO DO THIS.
11:22:23AM MISS GRIMES INFORMED JOHN SHE WAS GOING TO DO THAT AT THE
11:22:28AM TIME.
11:22:28AM SO THAT WAS THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS CONDUCTED.
11:22:31AM IF YOU -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, AND I AM -- IT IS IN
11:22:35AM TWO PARTS.
11:22:35AM AND THERE IS ONE LETTER WHERE BASICALLY THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL
11:22:41AM THAT WE RETAINED ANSWERED THE QUESTION WE ASKED HIM, WHICH
11:22:46AM WAS, GIVEN THAT MR. DINGFELDER HAS RESIGNED, DOES OUR OFFICE
11:22:50AM HAVE ANY ONGOING OBLIGATION TO REPORT THESE ALLEGED
11:22:57AM ALLEGATIONS TO SOME OTHER AUTHORITY.
11:22:59AM BECAUSE THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, FORMER JUDGE HOLDER CONCLUDED
11:23:03AM WE DID NOT, THAT ENDED THAT INVESTIGATION.
11:23:05AM THE SECOND PART OF THE REPORT AROSE BECAUSE AFTER HIS
11:23:11AM RESIGNATION, COUNCILMAN -- FORMER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
11:23:18AM CONTACTED SOME CITY EMPLOYEES ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT
11:23:22AM WITH WHICH HE ORIGINALLY SAID HE HAD A CLIENT.
11:23:24AM THEN HE SAID IT WAS A FRIEND.
11:23:25AM BUT IN ANY EVENT, HE WAS ASKING TO MEET WITH CITY EMPLOYEES.
11:23:32AM OUR OFFICE REGULARLY -- ARE EGGLY COUNSELS PEOPLE WHO HAVE
11:23:37AM LEFT THE CITY ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO ONCE THEY
11:23:41AM LEAVE OFFICE.
11:23:42AM WE TOLD COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WHAT THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE
11:23:50AM SAID ABOUT THAT.
11:23:50AM HE CONTINUED TO DISAGREE WITH US AND WE SAID WE ALREADY
11:23:53AM RETAINED OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
11:23:55AM WE WILL HAVE THEM PREPARE A LEGAL OPINION OUTLINING WHAT THE
11:23:59AM CITY'S ETHIC CODE SAYS ABOUT POST EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY.
11:24:06AM THAT IS THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF THE INVESTIGATION OF THE
11:24:08AM REPORT PREPARED BY JUDGE HOLDER.
11:24:10AM I THINK IT IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
11:24:12AM I AM GLAD TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT THERE WAS
11:24:15AM NO INTENT TO FURTHER EMBARRASS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:24:21AM TO DO ANYTHING NEGATIVE TOWARD HIM.
11:24:23AM WE FELT -- OUR OFFICE FELT WE WERE OBLIGATED BY THE FLORIDA
11:24:30AM BAR RULES TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE HAD SOME OBLIGATION TO DO
11:24:34AM ANYTHING FURTHER --
11:24:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: MISS ZELMAN, YOU SAID AT THE TIME LAST WEEK
11:24:40AM THAT DINGFELDER --
11:24:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
11:24:46AM LET ME GO TO OUR ATTORNEY, MR. SHELBY.
11:24:49AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING.
11:24:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS ZELMAN, ONE SECOND PLEASE.
11:24:54AM MR. SHELBY.
11:24:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:24:57AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
11:25:01AM I HAVE BEEN VERY QUIET DURING THIS MEETING.
11:25:03AM AND I HAVE BEEN -- MY FIRST MEETING BACK SINCE MY LEAVE.
11:25:07AM IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL WEEKS AND CERTAINLY SEVERAL MEETINGS.
11:25:11AM BUT I -- I HAVE TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT I HAVE BEEN VERY
11:25:17AM RESPECTFUL OF YOUR ROLE AND COUNCIL'S ROLE WITH REGARD TO
11:25:22AM HOW THIS MEETING IS TO BE CONDUCTED.
11:25:25AM I HAVE NOT INTERRUPT WITH REGARD TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE
11:25:28AM WHICH GOVERN THE COUNCIL'S RULES AND THAT IS DONE FOR
11:25:32AM CONSISTENCY AND FOR FAIRNESS AND TRANSPARENCY TO EVERYBODY.
11:25:36AM AND I HAVE TO SHARE, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY CONCERN TO DETERMINE
11:25:40AM WHAT MY ROLE IS SUBSEQUENT TO MINE COMING BACK VERSUS
11:25:46AM PREVIOUS TO MY COMING BACK.
11:25:47AM BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED THAT NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN
11:25:53AM OFF-AGENDA ITEM.
11:25:54AM WE HAVE BEEN TAKING OFF-AGENDA ITEMS THIS MORNING.
11:25:58AM WE HAVE BEEN DOING MOTIONS ON OFF-AGENDA ITEMS THIS MORNING.
11:26:02AM NORMALLY THAT IS DONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
11:26:04AM THERE IS AN ORDERLY WAY TO CONDUCT YOUR MEETINGS AND TO DO
11:26:10AM THEM FAST AND EFFICIENTLY AND GETTING TO THE PUBLIC'S.
11:26:13AM WE ARE APPROACHING 11:30, AND 9:30 HEARINGS.
11:26:17AM WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY OFFICIAL BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA,
11:26:20AM OFFICIAL ACTION, AND NOW 9:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE BEEN SET.
11:26:25AM WE CAN CHANGE THESE RULES OF PROCEDURES.
11:26:27AM THESE ARE YOUR RULES.
11:26:28AM THIS IS YOUR MEETING.
11:26:29AM AND CERTAINLY MY JOB IS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CITY
11:26:34AM COUNCIL.
11:26:34AM I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE --
11:26:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. SHELBY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON
11:26:39AM THE FLOOR.
11:26:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I HAVE TO SPEAK INDIVIDUALLY TO
11:26:44AM COUNCILMEMBERS AND HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING. I NEED DIRECTION
11:26:47AM OF WHAT MY ROLE IS SO I CAN SUPPORT YOU AND CONDUCT YOUR
11:26:51AM MEETING EFFICIENTLY.
11:26:54AM RULES AND PROCEDURES NEED TO BE UPDATED BUT FRANKLY I WANT
11:26:58AM TO BE CLEAR IN ORDER TO TO GET TO THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS
11:27:02AM ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TWO MEETINGS SET IN THE SAME DAY AS
11:27:05AM YOU HAD, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN.
11:27:08AM I AM NOT TAKING ANY POSITION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
11:27:11AM WE CAN GET TO THAT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, BUT -- FURTHER
11:27:15AM DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHAT MY ROLE IS
11:27:18AM BECAUSE I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF COUNCIL AND YOU HAVE YOUR
11:27:21AM RULES OF PROCEDURES AND MY ROLE HAS BEEN TO BRING THEM TO
11:27:24AM YOUR ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY AND
11:27:27AM TRANSPARENTLY ADHERED TO.
11:27:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:27:31AM AND THEN WE WILL GO TO MISS ZELMAN TO FINISH THAT.
11:27:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND SECONDED
11:27:37AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK OCTOBER 6.
11:27:40AM MY INTENT WAS NOT TO HAVE A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS
11:27:43AM TODAY.
11:27:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS ZELMAN, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING.
11:27:47AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT IS IT FINE.
11:27:48AM WE CAN WAIT.
11:27:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:27:50AM I WOULD -- WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:27:56AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:27:58AM ROLL CALL.
11:28:05AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:28:09AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:28:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE AS
11:28:12AM I SAID SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, WHEN I CALLED FOR A CEASE-FIRE, I
11:28:16AM AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS DRAMA, THIS FIGHTING.
11:28:19AM NETFLIX HAVEN'T CALLED TO OFFER US A MINISERIES AT THIS
11:28:23AM POINT WITH ALL THIS DRAMA.
11:28:24AM THAT IS IS CLEARLY A JOKE.
11:28:25AM BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.
11:28:28AM WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST ALLEGEDLY, YES, NO.
11:28:31AM THE MAYOR, HERE, THERE, WHATEVER.
11:28:33AM WE CAN'T GO BACK IN TIME.
11:28:35AM WE HAVE TO PUT IT TO BED.
11:28:37AM I LIKE TO BE FRIEND WITH EVERYBODY.
11:28:39AM I THINK I AM FRIENDS WITH MOST PEOPLE.
11:28:41AM I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT I HAVE AN ENEMY.
11:28:43AM AND PEOPLE HAVE DONE GOOD AND BAD THINGS TO ME.
11:28:46AM I TRY TO GET ALONG WITH FOLKS TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.
11:28:49AM I AM TIRED OF THIS DRAMA.
11:28:51AM I WANT TO GET THINGS DONE.
11:28:53AM I WANT TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY.
11:28:55AM WE HAVE VILA BROTHERS PARK.
11:28:57AM SO MANY PRESSING ISSUES.
11:28:59AM WE HAVE PURE.
11:29:01AM SO MANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA.
11:29:03AM I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME CONTINUING TO FIGHT WHETHER I
11:29:05AM GO TO THE MAYOR MYSELF.
11:29:06AM I SIT DOWN WITH OTHER COLONELMEMBERS.
11:29:09AM TRY TO MEDIA IT.
11:29:10AM NOT MY JOB TO DO SO.
11:29:11AM BUT WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS.
11:29:13AM WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS A UNIFIED BODY AND JUST
11:29:17AM GET THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE DONE, THANK YOU.
11:29:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:29:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:29:23AM YOU KNOW COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD, HAVE A
11:29:26AM RIGHT TO MAKE MOTIONS, HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS.
11:29:29AM AND MY -- MY ISSUE WITH THIS MOTION IS IT IS LOADED WITH A
11:29:33AM NUMBER OF ACCUSATIONS THAT I HAVE -- THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN --
11:29:38AM THE BACKGROUND ON.
11:29:41AM I DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING LOAD WITH THAT.
11:29:44AM WHAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST TO MY COLLEAGUE WHENEVER
11:29:47AM THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE COMES, THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE
11:29:50AM QUESTIONINGS.
11:29:50AM THEY HAVE RECEIVED YOUR STATEMENT.
11:29:51AM THEY SHOULD BE READY TO ANSWER IT SO IT CAN BE DONE.
11:29:54AM BUT TO FROM A FORMAL MOTION BY VIRTUE OF SUPPORTS IT COUNCIL
11:29:59AM ADOPT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE TROUBLESOME.
11:30:02AM I DO ALSO AGREE RESPECTFULLY WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:30:06AM I UNDERSTAND THERE IS PAST GRIEVANCES.
11:30:08AM I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONCERNS.
11:30:10AM I WANT TO RESPECT THE VOICES OF ALL -- OF ALL OF US IN THAT
11:30:14AM REGARD, BUT I CONTINUE TO STRESS THE TERM "DEESCALATION."
11:30:22AM I HAVE DONE THAT MYSELF.
11:30:23AM WHENEVER THERE ARE DISAGREEMENTS IN COUNCIL, I TOO I TO STAY
11:30:27AM IN MY OWN LANE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT AND TRY TO BE, AS I
11:30:31AM ALWAYS TRY TO BE, A CIVIL, AS AMICABLE, ETC., ETC.
11:30:36AM WITH REGARD TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S CONCERNS.
11:30:38AM I RESPECTFULLY SAY BY VOTING ON THIS.
11:30:43AM A NUMBER OF ALLEGATIONS WE WOULD BE ADOPTING BUT THIS CAN BE
11:30:46AM ADDRESSED.
11:30:46AM YOU CAN HAVE THE ISSUES ADDRESSED AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING
11:30:50AM DURING THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
11:30:52AM .AGAIN, MEETING THE CONCERNS OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON IN AN
11:30:57AM EFFORT BE COLLEGIAL, BUT I THINK THIS MOTION IS VERY, VERY
11:31:01AM LOADED IN MY OPINION.
11:31:02AM THANK YOU, SIR.
11:31:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:31:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I SEE BOTH SIDES.
11:31:11AM I DO AGREE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT IF THERE ARE CHANGES
11:31:15AM WE NEED TO MAKE TO CLARIFY THINGS WHICH I THINK IS AT THE
11:31:18AM HEART OF WHAT HE IS ASKING FOR BECAUSE IS FROM THE CHARTER.
11:31:23AM I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS DURING THE CHARTER
11:31:26AM WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 22.
11:31:29AM I THINK IT IS ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO BRING.
11:31:34AM I HAVE HEARD THE QUESTIONS.
11:31:35AM AND THERE IS NOT CLARITY IN THE SECTION.
11:31:40AM I AGREE WITH THAT.
11:31:41AM LET'S BRING IT UP IN THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
11:31:45AM I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION JUST BECAUSE I AGREE THAT THERE
11:31:50AM ARE SOME ITEMS THAT NEED CLARITY.
11:31:52AM AND I AM GOING TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT POINT.
11:31:55AM I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE WILL EVER MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE
11:32:00AM CLARITY.
11:32:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
11:32:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:32:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. MANISCALCO JUST ABOUT TOOK ALL THE
11:32:11AM WORDS THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
11:32:12AM WE ARE A BAD BASEBALL TEAM BECAUSE WE CAN'T WIN BECAUSE WE
11:32:15AM WANT TO ARGUE WHO IS GOING TO BAT FIRST AND SECOND.
11:32:20AM NOT A BASEBALL GAME.
11:32:22AM NOT A FOOTBALL GAME.
11:32:23AM PRESIDENT LIVES OF 400,000 PEOPLE.
11:32:25AM WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO BRING IT UP AND THREATEN AND SAY I AM
11:32:28AM GOING TO CALL THE AUTHORITIES.
11:32:29AM AUTHORITIES HAVEN'T SHOWED UP.
11:32:34AM IT MEANS YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YOURSELF.
11:32:35AM THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOW THE TRUTH ARE THE TWO INDIVIDUALS
11:32:39AM THAT ARE MENTIONED, NOT I OR ANYONE ELSE, NOT ANYONE HERE IN
11:32:42AM THIS ROOM OR THE WHOLE CITY, THE TWO INDIVIDUALS.
11:32:45AM THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOW THE STORY.
11:32:47AM BECAUSE IF I WAS GUILTY, I WOULD RESIGN
11:32:52AM IF I WASN'T GUILTY, I WOULD MORTGAGE MY HOUSE TO PROVE THAT
11:32:56AM I WAS NOT GUILTY.
11:32:57AM THAT IS HOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
11:32:59AM SO ONCE YOU RESIGN, I DON'T KNOW HOW OR WHY OR WHATEVER.
11:33:06AM I AM NOT HERE TO CAST STONES ON ANYONE.
11:33:09AM BUT I AM NOT GOING TO LET THE CITY GET RUN DOWN WEEK AFTER
11:33:12AM WEEK AFTER WEEK ON INNUENDOS.
11:33:15AM AND I WANT TO HAVE THIS.
11:33:17AM AND I WANT TO DO THAT.
11:33:18AM THIS GUY DID THAT AND I DON'T CARE A GUY THAT WALL STREET
11:33:21AM THE DAMN THING ABOUT ME ON THE INTERNET.
11:33:23AM I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE INTERNET.
11:33:24AM AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT.
11:33:28AM WHAT I AM SAYING IS, LET'S STOP PLAYING POLITICS.
11:33:32AM THEY TALK ABOUT POLITICS.
11:33:35AM STOP IT ON BOTH SIDES.
11:33:36AM THIS IS A CITY THAT HAS GOT TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD.
11:33:40AM WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO BECAUSE WE ARE A CITY ON MOVE.
11:33:44AM THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE LEAVING.
11:33:45AM IT MEANS WE ARE GROWING.
11:33:46AM AND NO CITY IN TODAY'S PRIZE THAT YOU HAVE IN AMERICA THAT
11:33:52AM SATISFIED WHERE THEY ARE AT IS A CITY THAT IS LOSING
11:33:55AM POPULATION AND IS DYING AND A LOT OF THEM, INCLUDING SAN
11:33:58AM FRANCISCO.
11:33:58AM SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, LET'S GET THE MARBLES TOGETHER.
11:34:03AM THERE IS AN AGENDA HERE.
11:34:04AM YOU WANT TO ARGUE WITH SOMEBODY, GO FILE A LAWSUIT IF YOU
11:34:08AM THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.
11:34:08AM LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ME, IF I AM ACCUSED OF A CRIME -- AN
11:34:12AM ITEM ON THE AGENDA OF SOMETHING PAYING INSURANCE FOR ME.
11:34:15AM NOBODY WILL PAY INSURANCE FOR ME BECAUSE I AM GOING TO VOTE
11:34:18AM AGAINST IT.
11:34:18AM BECAUSE IF I DID A CRIME, I SHOULD DO THE TIME.
11:34:21AM THAT IS ALL I AM GOING TO TELL YOU.
11:34:23AM I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT ME.
11:34:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUICKLY, PLEASE.
11:34:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:34:31AM THIS IS FOR MISS ZELMAN.
11:34:33AM MISS ZELMAN, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE.
11:34:36AM A MOTION AND THE FLOOR.
11:34:38AM CAN YOU RESTATE THAT MOTION PLEASE.
11:34:40AM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, REPEAT IT.
11:34:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I CHANGE THE MOTION.
11:34:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WELL, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE BACK THE
11:34:55AM MOTION YOU MADE AND THEN RESTATE YOUR NEW MOTION.
11:34:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THE PRIOR
11:35:01AM MOTION --
11:35:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME, DOES THE SECOND AGREE WITH THAT.
11:35:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SURE.
11:35:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: RESTATE YOUR MOTION.
11:35:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: MAKE A NEW MOTION TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR
11:35:11AM THE WORKSHOP DATE WHERE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING CHARTER
11:35:14AM AMENDMENTS TO DISCUSS WHY OR IF THE CITY ATTORNEY OR OTHER
11:35:21AM PARTIES IN THE CITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE CONTRACTS AND
11:35:26AM PAY PAYMENTS TO OUTSIDE PARTIES WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL.
11:35:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL SECOND IT.
11:35:39AM I WILL SECOND IT FOR THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
11:35:42AM I WILL SECOND IT.
11:35:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU FINISHED, COUNCIL?
11:35:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
11:35:51AM ONE THING THAT MR. CARLSON SAID THAT IS IN PREPARATION TO
11:35:54AM THIS AND RELEVANT AND GOES TO WHAT MISS HURTAK SAYS.
11:35:57AM MISS ZELMAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE POLICY OF PREVIOUS -- OF
11:36:01AM PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEYS, SAL TERRITO AND THE MEMO HE PUT
11:36:08AM OUT.
11:36:08AM THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.
11:36:10AM WOULD YOU AGREE.
11:36:11AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I BELIEVE YOU ARE TALKING OF THE CITY
11:36:14AM ATTORNEY'S ABILITY TO SETTLE LAWSUITS.
11:36:20AM I BELIEVE THAT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION IN NOVEMBER.
11:36:24AM I DON'T NECESSARILY OBJECT OF DISCUSSING IT AT THE TIME OF
11:36:28AM THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
11:36:29AM WE CAN HOPEFULLY CLEAR UP A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDS ABOUT
11:36:34AM THESE TOPICS.
11:36:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR TO YOU FORWARD
11:36:37AM THAT TO CITY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE.
11:36:40AM A BECAUSE I KNOW YOU FORWARDED IT TO ME RECENTLY.
11:36:42AM YOU DIT TO ME YESTERDAY.
11:36:44AM IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO?
11:36:48AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE LEGAL OPINION 2015.
11:36:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK 2018 AFTER THE SHORTER REVIEW.
11:36:53AM OKAY.
11:36:54AM THANK YOU.
11:36:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:37:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:37:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SECONDED IT.
11:37:03AM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR.
11:37:05AM WHEN SHE WAS APPOINTED.
11:37:07AM I MADE MY STATEMENTS AND I SAID WHAT I HAD TO SAY.
11:37:10AM I AM DONE WITH IT.
11:37:11AM I HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL.
11:37:13AM I HAVE A LEGAL TEAM.
11:37:15AM I'M HERE BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
11:37:17AM PERIOD.
11:37:18AM SO I AM DONE WITH IT.
11:37:20AM WE WILL DEAL WITH THOSE SITUATIONS PERSONALLY OUTSIDE WITH
11:37:23AM MY LEGAL TEAM.
11:37:24AM WHEN THE TIME COMES WITH THE CITY AND ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS.
11:37:27AM MAKE THAT CLEAR.
11:37:28AM I AM DONE WITH IT HERE.
11:37:31AM I'M HERE FOR THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.
11:37:32AM PEOPLE CHOSE ME TO DO MY JOB.
11:37:34AM NO MATTER IF PEOPLE ATTACK ME, I WILL DO MY JOB.
11:37:37AM ALL THE OTHER STUFF I WILL DEAL WITH IT WITH MY LEGAL TEAM.
11:37:41AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:37:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE.
11:37:44AM ACCUSATIONS MADE.
11:37:46AM WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A PULITZER-PRIZED WINNING
11:37:52AM NEWSPAPER PRESENT.
11:37:53AM WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM AN EMMY AWARD-WINNING NEWS
11:37:59AM CHANNEL HERE IN TAMPA WE HAVE MULTIDIFFERENT MEDIA.
11:38:08AM NO ONE HAS RUN WITH IT.
11:38:10AM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:38:14AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:38:20AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:38:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:38:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:38:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
11:38:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:38:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:38:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:38:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
11:38:33AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO, MIRANDA AND CITRO
11:38:37AM VOTING NO.
11:38:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, WASN'T THIS MERELY TO ADD AN ISSUE
11:38:44AM FOR DISCUSSION.
11:38:44AM JUST MAKING SURE.
11:38:45AM YEAH.
11:38:46AM I AM FINE WITH DISCUSSING.
11:38:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:38:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
11:38:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING OUR
11:38:57AM RULES AND PROCEDURES.
11:38:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:39:00AM WOULD YOU LIKE ME THEN TO --
11:39:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SET UP A TIME TO REVIEW OUR RULES AND
11:39:07AM PROCEDURES.
11:39:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
11:39:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
11:39:10AM NOW CAN WE GET ON TO -- WE WILL BE BREAKING BECAUSE WE HAVE
11:39:14AM A 1:30.
11:39:15AM WE ARE GOING TO BE BREAKING AT NOON.
11:39:16AM ALL THESE PEOPLE OUT IN FRONT OF US WHO ARE WAITING TO GET
11:39:20AM THE CITY BUSINESS DONE.
11:39:25AM LET'S GET TO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:39:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, JEAN DUNCAN, DIRECTOR OF
11:39:39AM INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
11:39:40AM WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR THE CONTINUOUS ASK FOR THE ITEM
11:39:45AM RELATED TO THE PURE PROJECT.
11:39:46AM CLEARLY, YOU HAVE HEARD MANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS MORNING
11:39:50AM ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
11:39:51AM AND WE CERTAINLY HAD EVERY INTENTION OF GETTING A REALLY
11:39:55AM ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN IN PLACE TO GET AHEAD OF THE
11:39:59AM PUBLIC'S CONCERNS.
11:40:00AM AND WE REGRET THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE.
11:40:03AM BUT TODAY WE ARE BASICALLY ASKING THAT THIS MULTIFACETED,
11:40:08AM COMPLEX SITUATION WE HAVE OF NEED IS GIVEN A LITTLE MORE
11:40:12AM TIME.
11:40:12AM LET ME JUST PUT A QUICK VIEW OF THE PROBLEM ON THE ELMO.
11:40:16AM WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE
11:40:25AM PROBLEMS WE HAVE TO SOLVE.
11:40:26AM IF I CAN GET THE ELMO PLEASE.
11:40:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE ELMO.
11:40:31AM THE OVERHEAD.
11:40:32AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE LOVE TECHNOLOGY.
11:40:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, WE DO.
11:40:39AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WILL JUST START WITHOUT IT.
11:40:41AM THE MAIN PROBLEMS WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE ARE MAINTAINING
11:40:45AM HEALTHY RIVER FLOWS.
11:40:46AM WE NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER TO FLOW INTO THE LOWER
11:40:50AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER BELOW THE DAM TO KEEP OUR FISH ALIVE, OUR
11:40:54AM SEAGRASSES GROWING, OUR MANATEE COUNTY VISITING.
11:40:58AM WE HAVE TO DROUGHT-PROOF OUR WATER SUPPLIES.
11:41:00AM LIMITATIONS WHAT WE CAN BUY FROM OTHERS SUCH AS TAMPA BAY
11:41:04AM WATER.
11:41:04AM WE HAVE TO SELF-SUPPLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
11:41:06AM WE HADN'T HAD A DROUGHT IN A LONG TIME.
11:41:09AM WE DON'T THINK WE ARE LIKE CALIFORNIA.
11:41:11AM WE DON'T THINK WE ARE LIKE COLORADO RIVER.
11:41:13AM BUT THERE IS CLIMATE CHANGE AND NO ONE KNOWS IF THAT WILL BE
11:41:16AM AN EXTREME OF DROUGHT, AN EXTREME OF FLOODING OR BACK AND
11:41:21AM FORTH.
11:41:21AM WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED AND LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.
11:41:23AM OUR THIRD PROBLEM WE NEED TO SOLVE IS THE STATE LAW.
11:41:27AM MAYBE THE STATE LAW WILL GO AWAY AND WON'T NEED TO BE MET,
11:41:30AM BUT CURRENTLY THAT IS THE LAW AND OUR PROTOCOL IS TO FOLLOW
11:41:35AM LAWS AND REGULATIONS AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
11:41:39AM CONTINUE TO DO.
11:41:40AM THOSE PROBLEMS ARE VERY MULTIFACETED.
11:41:43AM VERY COMPLEX AND TAKE MANY YEARS TO SOLVE OF.
11:41:47AM WE WILL NOT BE SOLVING THIS IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
11:41:50AM IT WILL TAKE US SEVERAL YEARS.
11:41:52AM NOT A TAMPA HE SHALL AUTO YOU BUT A BUILTI AGENCY AND
11:41:56AM REGIONAL ISSUE.
11:41:57AM WE NEED TO WORK WITH S.W.F.W.M.D., THE DEPARTMENT OF
11:42:00AM ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, EPA AND TAMPA BAY WATER.
11:42:04AM WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.
11:42:05AM WE NEED TO WORK WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:42:06AM WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE ONE WATER APPROACH NOW.
11:42:09AM ONE WATER IS WE HAVE ONE WATER SOURCE
11:42:12AM WE HAVE ONE WATER CYCLE.
11:42:13AM A CLOSED WATER CYCLE.
11:42:16AM AS WE ALL KNOW FROM THIRD-GRADE SCIENCE, THE WATER GETS
11:42:21AM EVAPORATED INTO THE CROWDS.
11:42:22AM CLOUDS.
11:42:25AM CLOUDS RAIN BACK DOWN INTO THE BAYS, OCEANS, AND BACK INTO
11:42:30AM THE SKY.
11:42:30AM ONLY ONE SOURCE OF WATER.
11:42:31AM AND IT IS NOT FOREVER.
11:42:33AM SO WE FEEL AS THE CITY OF TAMPA OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK
11:42:38AM FOR THE FUTURE, TO PLAN AHEAD TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION
11:42:42AM POSSIBLE FOR OUR CITIZENS.
11:42:43AM THE TAMPA WATER DEPARTMENT HAD A HISTORY OF 100 YEARS OF
11:42:48AM PROVIDING SAFE, RELIABLE WATER.
11:42:50AM THAT IS WHAT WE PLAN TO CONTINUE TO DO.
11:42:52AM THERE IS NO INTEREST ON OUR PART WHO IS OVER TO DO ANYTHING
11:42:55AM THAT IS UNSAFE.
11:42:56AM WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS WE HEARD THIS MORNING.
11:42:59AM SAFETY IS THE UPMOST TOP PRIORITY FOR US.
11:43:03AM OF COURSE WITH RELIABILITY AS WELL.
11:43:05AM THE EPA DOES HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY PUT OUT, THAT THEY
11:43:10AM SUGGEST WE MEET.
11:43:11AM WE ALSO HAVE CHEMICAL COMPANIES THAT NEED TO DO THEIR PART
11:43:15AM AND NOT BE DISPOSING OF THESE CHEMICALS INTO THE WATER TO
11:43:18AM PUT THEM ON THE MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE THEM CLEAN UP.
11:43:21AM WE ARE WORKING WITH THOSE AGENCIES.
11:43:23AM WE KNOW EPA IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING REGULATIONS NOW
11:43:27AM AND WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW ANY REGULATIONS THAT COME ALONG
11:43:30AM TO MEET OR EXCEED THIS.
11:43:32AM ANY ALTERNATIVE THAT WE CHOOSE WILL HAVE ANY KIND OF
11:43:39AM TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE.
11:43:41AM ION EXCHANGE, CARBON FILTERS REVERSE OSMOSIS.
11:43:46AM WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS TO GIVE THE BEST ALTERNATIVE
11:43:52AM IF POSSIBLE.
11:43:53AM WE APOLOGIZE THAT THE CONVERSATION AND HUMAN REACTION THAT I
11:43:57AM DON'T WANT THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
11:43:59AM WE REGRET THAT HAS GOTTEN AHEAD OF THE PROCESS WE ARE TRYING
11:44:02AM TO FOLLOW.
11:44:02AM WE SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FROM THE VERY FIRST COUNCIL
11:44:06AM MEETING OF A REACTION OF US JUMP TOO QUICKLY, TOO FAST.
11:44:10AM WE SAID WE WOULD TAKE SLOW INCREMENTAL STEPS.
11:44:13AM THOUGHTFUL STEPS.
11:44:14AM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
11:44:16AM IF PEOPLE ARE TRUST RAIDED THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYTHING IS
11:44:19AM HAPPENING, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL.
11:44:21AM TRYING TO WEIGH IN OPINIONS AS WE HEAR THEM.
11:44:24AM WE WANT TO WEAVE IN THE COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
11:44:27AM SO, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE TO GET A BIT ON A SOAPBOX, BUT TO
11:44:32AM GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS
11:44:36AM CONTINUANCE.
11:44:36AM WE WILL LAND WITH THAT AND A CONTINUANCE OF AN ITEM TO ADD
11:44:40AM ADDITIONAL EXPANDED ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS TO WHAT WE ALREADY
11:44:43AM STARTED TO LOOK AT SOLVING THESE THREE PROBLEMS.
11:44:48AM EXPANDED AND ENHANCED ROBUST ENGAGEMENT.
11:44:51AM YOU HEARD OF THE COMMENT OF THE MacDILL 48 PARK AS PART OF
11:44:54AM THE LOWER PENINSULA.
11:44:56AM WE DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
11:45:00AM WE DID GREAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON OTHER PROJECTS.
11:45:03AM WE CAN DO THAT WITH THIS PROJECT IF WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GET
11:45:06AM A PROPER CONTRACT IN PLACE TO DO THAT WORK.
11:45:08AM SO, AGAIN, WE ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THE ITEM THAT
11:45:12AM WAS CONTINUED BACK IN JULY.
11:45:14AM THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM BACK IN JULY SO HERE
11:45:21AM WE ARE TODAY.
11:45:22AM IN THE MEANWHILE FROM JULY, WE REALIZE IN TALKING WITH
11:45:26AM THE DEP, WITH S.W.F.W.M.D. AND WITH TAMPA BAY WATER WHO IS
11:45:29AM SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT THAT WE NEED MORE TIME
11:45:35AM TO GET THEIR I CAN PUTS BACK.
11:45:37AM IF WE DO COME BACK WITH THE AMOUNT, THEY HAVE ALL THE
11:45:40AM TECHNICAL INFORMATION BAKED IN AND SO I WILL STOP THERE, AND
11:45:45AM I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER GIVING US UNTIL AT
11:45:50AM LEAST FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR TO RECEIVE THOSE INPUTS SO WE
11:45:54AM CAN RECRAFT AND MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO THE AMENDMENT AND COME
11:45:58AM BACK TO YOU TO GET A BETTER START COMING FORWARD.
11:46:01AM THANK YOU.
11:46:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:46:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS SO HOLD --
11:46:13AM OVEROVERWHELMINGLY WHAT I HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY THAT
11:46:15AM THEY DON'T WANT THIS AND WANT TO END.
11:46:18AM I WILL START BY SAYING I DO NOT SUPPORT CONTINUING THIS.
11:46:21AM I SUPPORT TAKING THE MONEY OFF.
11:46:23AM LET'S -- LET'S ROLL IT BACK.
11:46:25AM I AM GOING TO START FROM THE BEGINNING BY SAYING THE
11:46:33AM CONCERNED TAMPA RESIDENT AND ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS SIERRA
11:46:36AM CLUB, THE FOREIGN OF THE RIVER AND LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS
11:46:39AM PRESENT A SERIES OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PURE PLAN THAT HAVE
11:46:41AM YET TO BE ANSWERED.
11:46:42AM I HAVE PASSED THOSE TO MY COLLEAGUES THIS MORNING.
11:46:46AM AND I AM MOVING -- MY VERY FIRST MOTION, TO MAKE A MOTION
11:46:52AM FOR STAFF TO ANSWER THE 17 QUESTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE
11:46:54AM RIVER AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME BACK ON DECEMBER 1, 2022
11:46:58AM TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
11:47:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
11:47:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I -- ANYBODY?
11:47:10AM BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER ABOUT THE VOTE ON THAT, THE REASON
11:47:13AM FOR THIS IS I HEAR THE FRUSTRATION PRESIDENT OF COMMUNITY
11:47:17AM AND GIVING THESE QUESTIONS.
11:47:18AM AND SO IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY GIVE A DEADLINE, SAY LET'S HEAR
11:47:23AM ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT -- THESE QUESTIONS ARE VERY SPECIFIC.
11:47:28AM I WILL READ JUST A COUPLE AND THEN THEY WILL BE IN THE
11:47:31AM RECORD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
11:47:33AM BUT I HAVE EVEN -- WHAT I HAVE DONE IS ACTUALLY PULLED THEM
11:47:36AM OUT AND PUT THEM INTO BULLETED QUESTIONS SO EVERY SINGLE
11:47:40AM QUESTION IS ANSWERED.
11:47:40AM FIRST ONE IS, WHAT REMAINS IN THE WASTEWATER AFTER IT HAS
11:47:44AM BEEN TREATED NOW?
11:47:45AM WHAT ARE THE LEVELS OF CHEMICALS, METALS, PFAS ARE
11:47:51AM YOU'LL, PROA, HORMONES AND NUTRIENTS THAT CONTAIN IN REMAIN
11:47:55AM IN THE WASTEWATER AFTER IT HAS BEEN TREATED AT WASTEWATER
11:47:58AM TREATMENT PLANT AND PRESENTEDLY DISCHARGED INTO TAMPA BAY.
11:48:01AM WHEN YOU ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, IF YOU CAN SPELL OUT THE
11:48:04AM ACRONYMS FOR PEOPLE, THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
11:48:08AM NUMBER FOUR, HOW MUCH WILL PURE COST.
11:48:10AM SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE THE PROJECTED A COSTS AND B,
11:48:16AM MAINTENANCE COST.
11:48:17AM HOW WILL PURE BE.
11:48:18AM WILL CUSTOMERS' UTILITY BILLS INCREASE BY HOW MUCH AND WHEN.
11:48:24AM THIS IS WHAT COMMUNITIES ARE ASKING, AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK
11:48:27AM THAT YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:48:30AM THAT IS MY FIRST MOTION.
11:48:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:48:45AM YOU HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
11:48:46AM NOT TO BE REDUNDANT.
11:48:49AM NOT TO BE REDUNDANT WITH MISS DUNCAN SITTING HERE NOW.
11:48:54AM DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN 6 TO ASK THOSE SAME
11:48:59AM QUESTIONS OF 6?
11:49:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THOUGHT WE HAD OPENED 5 AND 6 TOGETHER.
11:49:04AM MY APOLOGIES.
11:49:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:49:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH YOU.
11:49:11AM I THINK THIS IS A CLARITY OF ITEM.
11:49:13AM BUT EVER AFTER YOU MAKE THE MOTION AND I AM SURE IT WILL
11:49:16AM PASS.
11:49:16AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE SAME MOTION OF TREATING RIVER WATER
11:49:20AM AND WHAT IS IN THE RIVER WATER THAT WE HAVE TO TREAT.
11:49:22AM VIRUSES LIKE POLIO VIRUSES.
11:49:30AM OTHERS THINGS -- OTHER THINGS THAT ARE VIRUSS THAT ARE THERE
11:49:33AM NOW POSSIBLY.
11:49:34AM I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
11:49:36AM AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION.
11:49:38AM IS THERE ANY OTHER ENTITY THAT IS DUMPING WATER CLOSE TO
11:49:41AM WHERE THE GREEN SWAMP, ANY CITIES TO THE EAST OF US OR
11:49:45AM TRIBUTARIES THAT ARE DUMPING WATER INTO THE GREEN SWAMP THAT
11:49:49AM IS CONTAMINATED OR MORE CONTAMINATED MAN IN WHAT THE MOTION
11:49:53AM WAS WITH MISS HURTAK.
11:49:54AM I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS -- MAY I ADD THAT TO
11:49:57AM YOUR MOTION.
11:49:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY.
11:49:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I ADD THAT TO HAVE ONE COMPELLING
11:50:03AM MOTION.
11:50:03AM I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ONE THING.
11:50:05AM WANT THEM TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND KNOWLEDGE AND THAT IS
11:50:08AM WHAT MISS HURTAK IS LEADING TO HAVE A COMPLETE LOOK AT THE
11:50:12AM WATER SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WEDNESDAY COLUMBUS DRANK
11:50:16AM AND PISSED IN THE OCEAN, WE ARE DRINKING TODAY.
11:50:20AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR, WE CAN DO THAT.
11:50:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, DO YOU ACCEPT THE
11:50:26AM AMENDMENT BY MR. MIRANDA.
11:50:28AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:50:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:50:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:50:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:50:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:50:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:50:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:50:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:50:39AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:50:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS DUNCAN, OPEN NUMBER 6 NOW.
11:50:45AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, NUMBER 6 --
11:50:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I APOLOGIZE.
11:50:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WAS AS REQUEST -- DOES THAT ANSWER
11:50:55AM THE QUESTION FOR NUMBER 5?
11:50:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE IT DOES.
11:51:00AM I BELIEVE ONCE THEY COME BACK -- EXCUSE ME ONCE MISS DUNCAN
11:51:04AM COMES BACK TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS REQUESTED BY COUNCILWOMAN
11:51:09AM HURTAK AND MIRANDA, THEN WE CAN PROCEED AFTER THAT.
11:51:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CONTINUES THE RESOLUTION TO DECEMBER 1?
11:51:16AM I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
11:51:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT MY MOTION.
11:51:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO NUMBER 5.
11:51:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN MAKE -- I CAN MAKE A FOR THAT TOO.
11:51:28AM I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE VOTE NO ON CONTINUING THIS.
11:51:32AM BECAUSE THE CITIZENS ARE TELLING US THEY DON'T WANT IT.
11:51:35AM AND IF WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS -- OKAY, I AM JUST GOING
11:51:41AM TO KEEP GOING AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY I WANT NO.
11:51:44AM SORRY.
11:51:45AM THERE IS A LOT -- THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF -- I WISH WE HAD
11:51:49AM OPENED FIVE AND SIX.
11:51:50AM I AM SORRY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS A COUPLE OF
11:51:53AM TIMES.
11:51:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS DUNCAN, LET'S GO TO NUMBER 6, STAFF CAN
11:52:00AM GIVE US A REPORT AND WE CAN MAKE ANY DECISIONS AFTER THAT.
11:52:03AM THANK YOU.
11:52:04AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, NUMBER 6 IS A COMPANION ITEM.
11:52:08AM PART TWO OF TWO OF NUMBER FIVE, THE RESOLUTION PORTION OF
11:52:11AM NUMBER 5.
11:52:12AM SO, AGAIN, THAT GOES ALONG WITH NUMBER 5.
11:52:15AM 5 IN MORE OF THE CONTENT AND SIX IS THE RESOLUTION THAT GOES
11:52:20AM ALONG WITH IT.
11:52:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
11:52:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:52:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANOTHER QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC HAD ASKED IS
11:52:29AM WHERE -- WHAT -- BEFORE I WAS HERE IN FEBRUARY, COUNCIL
11:52:35AM APPROVED $1.2 MILLION, I BELIEVE TO START THIS PROCESS OF
11:52:42AM ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
11:52:43AM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THAT FUNDING
11:52:47AM HAS BEEN UTILIZED.
11:52:48AM AND EVERYONE IS ASKING WHERE HAS THAT MONEY GONE.
11:52:52AM CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE US AN ANSWER, FIRST OF ALL, OF WHERE
11:52:55AM THAT MONEY HAS GONE.
11:52:56AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
11:52:57AM SO THE AMOUNT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE CONTRACT WAS -- I
11:53:03AM WILL JUST ROUNDS IT IF THAT'S OKAY.
11:53:04AM A LITTLE OVER $1.1 MILLION.
11:53:06AM WE HAVE SPENT A LITTLE MORE THAN $250,000.
11:53:11AM AND SO THERE IS PROPOSAL $880,000 LEFT ON THAT ORIGINAL
11:53:17AM CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY --
11:53:24AM FEBRUARY, APOLOGIZE.
11:53:25AM SO JUST QUICKLY, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE WITH
11:53:29AM THAT MONEY.
11:53:30AM I HAVE A WHOLE LIST I CAN SEND TO YOU ALL IF YOU WOULD LIKE,
11:53:34AM BUT WE DEVELOPED FIVE POTENTIALITY TIFFS WITH TAMPA BAY
11:53:37AM WATER.
11:53:38AM WORKED WITH THEIR STAFF.
11:53:39AM THEY ARE INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY PURCHASING 20 MILLION
11:53:43AM GALLONS A DAY OF RECLAIMED WATER FROM US.
11:53:45AM WE WORKED WITH TAMPA BAY WATER ON MODELING TO KEEP THE
11:53:48AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER FULL.
11:53:50AM WE STARTED DISCUSSION WITH TAMPA BAY WATER AND S.W.F.W.M.D.
11:53:53AM AND HAVE INCREASED COOPERATIVE FUNDING.
11:53:55AM S.W.F.W.M.D. AND TAMPA BAY WATER IS INTERESTED IN THE
11:53:58AM REGIONAL BENEFIT THIS PROJECT COULD PROVIDE.
11:54:01AM AND WE HAVE FIVE OTHER MEMBER GOVERNMENTS THAT CAN BENEFIT
11:54:04AM ULTIMATELY FROM THE PROJECT.
11:54:05AM WE DRAFTED A MATRIX FOR DEVELOPING ALTERNATIVES OF THE
11:54:09AM MATRIX SIMILAR TO TAMPA BAY WATER OF SELECTING ALTERNATIVE
11:54:15AM MASTER PLAN.
11:54:15AM WE WILL BE SHARING THAT WITH COUNCIL WHEN WE GET THE
11:54:19AM OPPORTUNITY BASED ON FURTHER DECISIONS.
11:54:21AM WE HAVE CONTINUED MONTH MONTHLY STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THAT
11:54:26AM YOU HEARD FROM THE SIERRA CLUB AND OTHERS.
11:54:28AM PART OF THE TIME SINCE FEBRUARY HAS BEEN REWORKING OUR
11:54:31AM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN OF WHICH WE WERE HERE TODAY AS A
11:54:35AM CONTINUANCE NOW TO TRY TO GET THAT IN PLACE, BECAUSE WE
11:54:39AM CLEARLY NEED TO HAVE APPROPRIATE ENGAGEMENT.
11:54:42AM WE WANT THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
11:54:45AM WE WANT TO SHARE FACTS AND INFORMATION.
11:54:47AM AND NOT JUST HAVE THEM LEARN THINGS OFF OF SOURCES THAT
11:54:51AM MAYBE AREN'T SO ACCURATE.
11:54:53AM THAT IS PART OF THE I DID LEVEL THE DILEMMA WE ARE FACING.
11:55:04AM THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG.
11:55:05AM WE HAVE DISCUSSION WITH CAN S.W.F.W.M.D. BOARD OF HOW PURE
11:55:10AM CAN HELP FLOWS OF THE RIVER.
11:55:13AM AND CONTINUING TO DISCHARGE AT THE HOWARD F. CURRAN
11:55:19AM TREATMENT PLANT AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT THAT WE WANT TO
11:55:22AM REQUEST AN OPINION ON FROM DEP.
11:55:25AM WE SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING WITH ONE OF THE
11:55:28AM STAKEHOLDER FROM FRIENDS OF THE RIVER ON THOSE IDEAS FOR
11:55:32AM ASKING THAT QUESTION OF DEP.
11:55:34AM AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THAT ANSWER BACK
11:55:38AM PROBABLY NOVEMBER OF WHAT THEIR OPINION IS ABOUT DISCHARGE
11:55:42AM BEING BE A ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT OR NOT.
11:55:45AM WE HAVE WORKED ON ENHANCED SOURCE CONTROL.
11:55:48AM WE TALKED TO SOME INDUSTRY FACILITIES THAT ARE DISCHARGING.
11:55:51AM TO TALK TO THEM.IMPROVING THEIR WATER QUALITY.
11:55:56AM AGAIN NOT ON THE TAXPAYERS AND THE WATER SYSTEM TO TREAT
11:56:00AM OTHER WATER THAT IS COMING TO US.
11:56:02AM WE STARTED DEVELOPING A PILOT PLAN.
11:56:04AM AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT OTHER TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS
11:56:07AM THE ION EXCHANGE.
11:56:09AM WE HAVE A PILOT STARTED TO FURTHER BE ALIZE AND STUDY THAT,
11:56:12AM BECAUSE -- ANALYZE AND STUDY THAT BECAUSE THAT COULD BE AN
11:56:17AM ADVANTAGE OF THE SAFETY COMPONENT THAT IS OF CONCERN.
11:56:20AM SEVERAL MORE PAGES WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE MONEY AND WE
11:56:23AM WILL STOP HERE AND YOU CAN GET THE WHY IDEA, WE HAVE BEEN
11:56:27AM WORKING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SO FAR.
11:56:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW I AND THE PUBLIC WILL LIKE AN ITEMIZED
11:56:35AM LIST HOW THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT.
11:56:37AM GREAT TO GET THAT LIST, AND ALSO ATTACH TO THE LIST HOW MUCH
11:56:40AM MONEY WAS SPENT ON THAT.
11:56:41AM IS THAT STAFF TIME, IS THAT -- YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT
11:56:48AM DRAFTING A LETTER TO DEP.
11:56:50AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
11:56:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THAT LETTER -- FOR MY UNDERSTANDING,
11:56:55AM WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS, YOU ARE TRYING TO ASK DEP FOR
11:57:03AM A -- AN APPEAL SAYING THAT WE DON'T -- JUST FINDING OUT IF
11:57:07AM WE ACTUALLY REALLY NEED TWO -- [COUGHING]
11:57:14AM >> SORRY.
11:57:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY -- TO STOP PUTTING THE OUTFLOW IN THE
11:57:20AM BAY.
11:57:21AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE WANT TO ASK OUR QUESTION WHETHER OUR
11:57:23AM DISCHARGE WILL BE CONSIDERED AS A BENEFICIAL USE TO THE BAY.
11:57:27AM WE DO HAVE A HIGHLY TREATED WASTEWATER DISCHARGE -- THANK
11:57:34AM YOU.
11:57:34AM AGAIN IT WAS CUTTING EDGE AT THE TIME IN 1980s AND
11:57:38AM CONTROVERSY THEN WHY WE HAD TO SPEND THE MONEY ON IT.
11:57:41AM WE PROUD OURSELVES OF BEING CUTTING EDGE.
11:57:46AM WE WANT TO ASK OUR QUESTION TO THE DEP OUR DISCHARGE, CAN BE
11:57:51AM CONSIDERED A BENEFICIAL USE AND IN CONCERT WITH THE STAKES
11:57:55AM HOLDERS HOW WE PLAN TO ASK THE QUESTION.
11:57:57AM PLANNING TO SHARE -- APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE -- TO SHARE THAT
11:58:03AM DRAFT WITH THE COUNCIL BEFORE IT IS SENT.
11:58:05AM [COUGHING]
11:58:07AM -- WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO THAT QUESTION
11:58:11AM PLAN TO DO THAT.
11:58:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU WILL BRING IT BACK TO SHARE IT WITH US
11:58:17AM AND THE STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE IT IS SENT.
11:58:19AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
11:58:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LOVE THAT YOU BRING IT TO THE STAKEHOLDERS
11:58:23AM FIRST AND FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND THE STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE --
11:58:27AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: CAN I JUST STEP OUT FOR A SECOND.
11:58:30AM I AM SORRY.
11:58:30AM I WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
11:58:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, THE -- THE
11:58:40AM -- THE REINTRODUCTION TO THIS WATER INTO THE BAY, WITH THE
11:58:44AM EXCEPTION OF PINEY POINT AND THE LOSS OF SEAGRASSES BECAUSE
11:58:49AM OF TIDAL FLOW UP AND DOWN THE UPPER BAY, THE BAY HAS BEEN
11:58:53AM THE CLEANEST IN 50 YEARS.
11:58:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL --
11:58:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PINEY POINT AND
11:59:00AM SEAGRASSES.
11:59:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EVEN IF WHAT YOU SAID, WE ARE DUMPING 370
11:59:09AM TONS -- WHAT YOU CALL IT -- INTO THE BAY.
11:59:11AM >> NUTRIENTS, YES, SIR.
11:59:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHICH IS SMALL COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS.
11:59:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PRESENTATION COMING IN
11:59:21AM FRONT OF US ON NOVEMBER 3 FROM THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM
11:59:25AM TO TALK OF HOW SEAGRASSES ARE ACTUALLY DYING.
11:59:33AM IT IS ALL CONNECTED.
11:59:34AM SO -- WE EXPECT THAT LETTER WITH INPUT FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS
11:59:40AM AND PRETTY MUCH FROM NOW ON, EVERYTHING THAT -- IN MY
11:59:43AM OPINION THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING
11:59:47AM HAVING TO DO WITH THIS WATER, I AM GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A
11:59:49AM STAKEHOLDER ATTACHMENT TO IT.
11:59:51AM BECAUSE THIS -- WE -- OUR STAKEHOLDERS HAVE AN INCREDIBLE
11:59:55AM AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE.
11:59:57AM THEY AREN'T JUST PEOPLE WE TOOK OFF THE STREET.
12:00:01PM THESE FOLKS HAVE HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE TOGETHER.

12:00:04PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I'M SORRY.
12:00:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU HAVE WATER? TAKE YOUR TIME, TAKE YOUR
12:00:08PM TIME.
12:00:08PM >> PUT THEM BACK; YOU DON'T LOOK TOO GOOD.
12:00:12PM [ LAUGHTER ]
12:00:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING.
12:00:23PM THIS IS -- TO ME THIS IS AN ISSUE OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
12:00:27PM IN MY DAY JOB, I WORKED ON MID-TERM EVALUATION OF A PROJECT
12:00:29PM TO ESTABLISH WHETHER PROGRESS IS BEING MADE, AND IF FUNDING
12:00:34PM SHOULD CONTINUE TO FLOW TO THESE PROJECTS.
12:00:36PM I SEE NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL PROGRESS IS BEING MADE ON
12:00:39PM THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US. I
12:00:49PM DON'T SEE ANYTHING FURTHER THAN CONVERSATION, AND I AM JUST
12:00:51PM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT FURTHER FUNDING OF IT AT THIS TIME.
12:00:54PM OR I AM JUST NOT GOING TO SUPPORT FURTHER FUNDING OF IT,
12:00:54PM PERIOD.
12:00:55PM I AM MOVING THAT WE DIRECT THE REMAINING UNSPENT $880,000
12:01:00PM ALLOCATED IN FEBRUARY TO SOLELY ANSWERING THE QUESTION OF

12:01:03PM WHAT RESULTS FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STATUS QUO ON THE
12:01:06PM FOLLOWING ISSUES: THE UNFUNDED STATE MANDATE ABOUT
12:01:10PM WASTEWATER.
12:01:11PM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER MINIMUM FLOWs AND DROUGHT-PROOFING
12:01:15PM THE RESERVOIR.
12:01:17PM I HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC MOTION ABOUT THIS.
12:01:19PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO USE THE FUNDING
12:01:22PM LEFT OVER IN THE PCL CONTRACT WHICH WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY
12:01:28PM OF 2022.
12:01:29PM WE ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT SIGNED TO GIVE MONEY TO THIS
12:01:32PM ORGANIZATION TO ANALYZE BOTH THE BEST AND WORST CASE
12:01:36PM SCENARIOS OF CONTINUING WITH THE STATUS QUO ON SENATE BILL
12:01:40PM 64, THE UNFUNDED MANDATE FROM THE STATE, MINIMUM FLOWS ON
12:01:44PM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND DROUGHT-PROOFING THE RESERVOIR.
12:01:47PM AND I WANT THIS TO COME BACK DURING THE WORKSHOP SESSION ON
12:01:50PM APRIL 27, 2023, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT.
12:01:55PM I WOULD ALSO LIKE STAFF TO CONDUCT A PRELIMINARY FINDING
12:01:59PM MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN LATE MARCH OF 2023 SO THAT WE
12:02:03PM HAVE THEIR INPUT BEFORE YOU EVEN COME TO US.
12:02:07PM ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT STAFF KEEP COUNCIL
12:02:11PM BRIEFED AND UP TO DATE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN PCL COMES BACK
12:02:17PM WITH ITS FINDINGS.
12:02:18PM AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WITH THIS NEW FLORIDA DEP
12:02:23PM REGULATION, OR QUESTION, THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS AND US ARE
12:02:26PM GOING TO HAVE, I ALSO ASK THAT STAFF COME BACK ON NOVEMBER

12:02:30PM 3rd DURING THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE WITH FEEDBACK FROM
12:02:33PM THE FLORIDA DEP REGARDING THE BENEFICIAL USE QUESTION ABOUT
12:02:37PM OUR DISCHARGE.
12:02:38PM >> SECOND.
12:02:40PM >> I DID MY HOMEWORK.
12:02:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MASSEY?
12:02:46PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: REAL QUICKLY, I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION
12:02:48PM WITH MR. SHELBY.
12:02:49PM OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL ASKED FOR STAFF FOR INFORMATION REGARDING
12:02:53PM VARIOUS ITEMS BEFORE IT VOTES ON A CONTRACT, BUT THE
12:02:57PM NEGOTIATION OF A CONTRACT IS DONE BY STAFF, AND THAT'S NOT
12:03:01PM WITHIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO DIRECT HOW THAT HAPPENS.
12:03:04PM OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CONTRACT COMES BEFORE YOU, IF
12:03:09PM THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN YOU THE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC INPUT OR HAVE
12:03:11PM NOT FULLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS OF THE
12:03:14PM PUBLIC, YOU CAN DISAPPROVE THE CONTRACT.
12:03:16PM BUT THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS SET UP, THE CHARTER IS SET UP, THE
12:03:20PM NEGOTIATIONS ARE DONE BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
12:03:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
12:03:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GOING TO GO WITH OUR COUNSEL FIRST.
12:03:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS YOUR MOTION IN REFERENCE TO THE
12:03:32PM EXISTING CONTRACT?
12:03:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:03:35PM AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF THAT HAVE SAID THEY
12:03:38PM DO NOT DISAGREE WITH MY MOTION, THAT THEY ARE HAPPY TO WORK

12:03:42PM ON MODIFYING THE CONTRACT TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
12:03:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
12:03:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:03:50PM I'M SORRY, THIS IS NOT JUST LIKE THROWING IT OUT THERE.
12:03:54PM I AM TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERYONE.
12:03:56PM I ASKED THE QUESTION IF WE COULD MOVE THE MONEY, AND IF WE
12:04:00PM COULD REALLOCATE IT TO THIS SIMPLE QUESTION, BECAUSE TO ME
12:04:04PM THE SIMPLE QUESTION EVERYONE IS ASKING US IS, DO WE NEED
12:04:08PM THIS?
12:04:09PM AND SO THIS TO ME USING THE -- WE HAVE TO ANSWER THE
12:04:15PM QUESTIONS WHAT ARE THE BEST AND WORST CASE SCENARIOS IF WE
12:04:17PM JUST KEEP DOING WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING WHICH IS WHAT THE
12:04:19PM PUBLIC IS ASKING US TO DO, TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE ARE ALREADY
12:04:22PM DOING.
12:04:23PM THEY DON'T WANT THIS.
12:04:23PM SO LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE BEST AND WORST CASE SCENARIOS ARE
12:04:28PM IF WE JUST KEEP THE STATUS QUO.
12:04:29PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
12:04:32PM A COMMENT -- IS IT OKAY IF I SPEAK?
12:04:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FINISH YOUR COMMENT AND I WILL GET TO
12:04:37PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AFTER COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:04:40PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: SO YES, THE REQUEST IS WITHIN THE SCOPE
12:04:44PM THAT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
12:04:48PM WE HAVE CERTAIN FLEXIBILITIES WITHIN THESE SCOPES TO MAKE
12:04:50PM ADJUSTMENTS.

12:04:51PM WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT WITHIN THE APPROVED
12:04:54PM SCOPE.
12:04:55PM MORRIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE BIGGER PROCESS.
12:04:57PM BUT YES, THIS IS A HOUSEKEEPING TYPE ACTIVITY WE CAN DO
12:05:01PM WITHIN THAT SCOPE AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
12:05:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:05:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WAS MY CONCERN WHEN MR. MASSEY GOT UP
12:05:08PM AND SAID ABOUT THE CONTRACT.
12:05:09PM IF COUNCIL IS ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK AT CONTRACT
12:05:12PM AND TO LOOK AT THE MODIFICATION OF THE CONTRACT, I DON'T
12:05:15PM THINK THERE WILL BE A CONFLICT OF THIS BODY DOING THAT.
12:05:19PM SO I SEE THE BIGGER SCOPE.
12:05:24PM BUT IF WE PAY SO MANY DOLLARS AND THIS COUNCIL APPROVES AND
12:05:26PM THINGS ARE NOT RIGHT AND COMES TO YOU AND SAYS SOMETHING IS
12:05:29PM NOT RIGHT, WE WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS CONTRACT
12:05:32PM AND MODIFY IT, WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO
12:05:35PM THAT OR WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
12:05:37PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, I THINK IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
12:05:39PM RENEGOTIATING A CONTRACT TERMS AND ADJUSTING WITHIN THE
12:05:43PM APPROVED SCOPE.
12:05:44PM SO WE ARE WITHIN THAT SECOND PART, BUT IT WOULD BE OKAY.
12:05:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
12:05:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
12:05:52PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:05:54PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

12:05:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:06:00PM THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK BROUGHT UP -- AND I'M
12:06:05PM SORRY I AM LOSING MY VOICE -- THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW DO WE
12:06:10PM NEED OF THIS?
12:06:10PM THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS NO, WE DON'T NEED IT.
12:06:12PM AND I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY SITTING BEHIND THE PODIUM
12:06:14PM THERE AGREES WITH THAT.
12:06:18PM IT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING THAT THREE REASONS THAT WERE GIVEN
12:06:21PM FOR THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE NONE OF THEM REALLY APPLY.
12:06:24PM THE BOTTOM LINE ABOUT WHY WE WOULD NEED THIS IS REALLY JUST
12:06:28PM A QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS MGD?
12:06:32PM THE OTHER QUESTIONS ARE SEPARATE FROM THIS BUT JUST TO
12:06:34PM ADDRESS THEM QUICKLY, NUMBER ONE, WE NEED THIS FOR MINIMUM
12:06:37PM FLOWS.
12:06:38PM I TOLD STAFF THAT'S A STATEMENT THAT MISLEADS THE PUBLIC.
12:06:41PM THE ONLY REASON WE NEED MINIMUM FLOWS IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO
12:06:44PM BE ABLE TO PULL OUR 83 MGD.
12:06:50PM WE CAN EASILY BUY THE DIFFERENCE FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
12:06:54PM WE DON'T NEED THIS FOR MINIMUM FLOWS.
12:06:57PM SAYING WE NEED MINIMUM FLOWS MISLEADS THE PUBLIC AND SCARE
12:07:01PM IT IS PUBLIC.
12:07:01PM WE NEED TO QUOTE-UNQUOTE DROUGHT-PROOF OUR SYSTEM.
12:07:05PM THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER.
12:07:06PM IN THE SITUATION WHERE WE GET THE WORST DROUGHT IN 100 YEARS
12:07:10PM I THINK A CITY WITH 41 MGD FROM TAMPA BAY WATER TO GET THAT.

12:07:16PM SO WE DON'T NEED THAT.
12:07:18PM AND IF YOU THINK WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE CONTRACT
12:07:21PM IS WRITTEN NOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS -- EVERY YEAR, THE
12:07:26PM CITY OF TAMPA IS ASKED BY THE REGIONAL SUPPLIER, AND MR.
12:07:30PM MIRANDA IS ON THE BOARD, BUT ASKED BY TAMPA BAY WATER HOW
12:07:32PM MUCH DO YOU NEED?
12:07:34PM IF WE GO BACK AND SAY BEING WE NEED TO MODIFY THE INTERLOCAL
12:07:37PM AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT DROUGHT, THE
12:07:41PM ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVES SAID WE ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT
12:07:43PM DROUGHT, THEY SAID WE THINK CLIMATE CHANGE IS GOING TO CAUSE
12:07:47PM US MORE FLOODING.
12:07:48PM BUT THEN WE CAN CHANGE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THE ONES
12:07:55PM IN A 100 YEAR FLOOD.
12:07:57PM AND THEN THE REASON GIVEN FOR THE STATE LAW.
12:08:00PM WE KNOW, AT LEAST I KNOW FROM TALKING TO PEOPLE IN
12:08:02PM TALLAHASSEE, THAT BEFORE WE WERE ALL ON COUNCIL,
12:08:06PM REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE CITY LOBBIED TO GET THIS LEGISLATION
12:08:08PM PASSED.
12:08:12PM WE CAN GET OUR LOBBYISTS ONTO GETTING IT CHANGED.
12:08:16PM BUT THE STAFF IS NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.
12:08:17PM WE CAN ALSO ASK FOR A DELAY.
12:08:19PM BUT I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THEY ARE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN
12:08:21PM THAT EITHER.
12:08:22PM SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
12:08:25PM THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE DON'T NEED THIS.

12:08:28PM THERE ALREADY WAS AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
12:08:31PM WE THE DEMANDED THEY DO THIS TWO YEARS AGO AND SPENT A LOT
12:08:34PM OF MONEY, EVEN HIRED AN OUTSIDE FIRM.
12:08:37PM THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING NOW IS GOING
12:08:40PM TO BE DONE ULTIMATELY AND GET BIGGER CONTRACT AFTERWARDS.
12:08:44PM THEY ARE NOT EXCLUDED.
12:08:45PM EVEN THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS BY THE FIRM DID NOT INCLUDE
12:08:52PM THE MAYOR PRESENTED THE RIGHT WAY TO MAKE IT A AN OBJECTIVE
12:08:55PM ANALYSIS.
12:08:56PM ANY ANALYSIS IS BIASED BY THE MODEL THAT YOU CREATE, AND THE
12:09:00PM EXAMPLE -- ON THE COSTS WE ARE GETTING ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT
12:09:06PM INFORMATION ABOUT THE COSTS AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND
12:09:10PM THERE ARE NUMBERS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
12:09:11PM THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA WANTS TO OWN THIS
12:09:14PM PROJECT.
12:09:15PM AND LET'S SAY IT'S ONLY 2 BILLION OR LET'S SAY 6 BILLION
12:09:19PM DOLLARS.
12:09:19PM WHY DOES THE CITY OF TAMPA WANT TO BURDEN OUR RATE PAYERS
12:09:22PM WITH THE DEBT AND RATE BURDEN OF CARRYING THIS PROJECT WHEN
12:09:25PM IT COULD BE DONE IN THE REGION?
12:09:29PM AND THE REGIONAL SUPPLY OF TAMPA BAY WATER ISN'T EVEN
12:09:32PM INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THIS.
12:09:33PM IT'S NOT OWN THEIR SHORT LIST.
12:09:35PM THAT'S BECAUSE ON 2018, THE CITY ASKED THEM TO TAKE IT OUT.
12:09:39PM THEY SAID THIS ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE TAP

12:09:44PM PROJECT, THEY SAID THEY WANT TO TAKE IT OUT.
12:09:47PM WHAT WE SIMPLY ASK YOU IS HAVE A MOTION THAT PUTS IT BACK
12:09:51PM IN.
12:09:51PM AND TAMPA BAY WATER IS LOOKING AT SPENDING -- USING 20 MGD.
12:09:58PM THAT ALLOWS THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PROCESS THE OTHER 30 MGD.
12:10:04PM SOMEBODY JUST WANTS A BIG PROJECT.
12:10:06PM THEY WANT IT FOR OUR RATE PAYERS AND OUR RESIDENTS WITH THIS
12:10:09PM BIG PROJECT THAT WE DON'T NEED.
12:10:12PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORECAST, THE ENTIRE REGION IN 2050 IS
12:10:16PM GOING TO NEED 33 MGD AND THAT OBSERVATION IS ONLY GOING TO
12:10:20PM NEED 8 OR 9 MGD IN 30 YEARS.
12:10:24PM WHY HE L WOULD WE TODAY SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON A
12:10:27PM PROJECT THAT THE WHOLLY REGION NEEDS IN 30 YEARS AND NOT
12:10:33PM EVEN 100 YEARS.
12:10:35PM IT'S A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY.
12:10:36PM AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IT OR THE SCIENTISTS IN
12:10:40PM THE ROOM RIGHT NOW DON'T UNDERSTAND IT OR THEY DON'T WANT --
12:10:43PM IT'S REALLY INSULTING TO THE PUBLIC.
12:10:45PM IT'S INSULTING TO ALL OF US.
12:10:47PM WE LOOKED AT THIS.
12:10:48PM WE DON'T NEED IT.
12:10:48PM WE NEED TO KILL THIS PROJECT.
12:10:50PM WE NEED TO KILL IT IN EVERY WAY AND MAKE THE WATER
12:10:53PM DEPARTMENT GO BACK AND COOPERATE WITH THE REGION.
12:10:56PM AND I HAVE GOT SOME MOTIONS LATER.

12:10:59PM BUT I THINK WE SHOULD KILL THIS COMPLETELY.
12:11:02PM WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW IT.
12:11:03PM THANK YOU.
12:11:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:11:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:11:09PM YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH
12:11:12PM THIS DEBATE AND THIS NARRATIVE, IT'S BEEN A JOURNEY.
12:11:18PM IT'S BEEN LIKE TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, A REALLY LONG
12:11:21PM TIME.
12:11:21PM I HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF VOTES TO CONTINUE THE DIALOGUE, TO
12:11:25PM CONTINUE THE PROCESS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, TO GET A LOT OF
12:11:28PM INFORMATION OUT.
12:11:30PM AND OVER THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, TWO YEARS OR SO, WE
12:11:32PM HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT A LOT OF THINGS, NOT ALL OF US
12:11:35PM ARE WATER EXPERTS, OBVIOUSLY, I CERTAINLY AM NOT.
12:11:42PM YOU KNOW, THIS IS BY VIRTUE OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE
12:11:45PM PUBLIC A VERY, VERY HARD SELL.
12:11:47PM IT IS -- AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED.
12:11:50PM I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC HAS
12:11:53PM SHOWN -- AND I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUS.
12:11:59PM I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE ADMINISTRATION BEARS A BURDEN IN
12:12:03PM TERMS OF DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS.
12:12:06PM THAT'S THE WAY OUR CITY GOVERNMENT IS SET UP AND WHATNOT.
12:12:10PM AND OVER THE LAST TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN
12:12:13PM A LOT OF DIALOGUE.

12:12:15PM THERE HAS BEEN.
12:12:16PM I KNOW WE ARE FUNDING THINGS FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
12:12:19PM THERE HAS BEEN.
12:12:21PM THE MEDIA REPORT ADD LOT OF THESE STORIES.
12:12:23PM WE ARE GETTING E-MAILS THAT HONESTLY IN THE LAST WEEK AND A
12:12:26PM HALF, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY E-MAILS I HAVE GOTTEN ON THIS.
12:12:29PM MAYBE 100.
12:12:30PM MAYBE 200.
12:12:32PM ONE OF MY PET PEEVES IS ALWAYS WHENEVER WE GET TWO OR THREE
12:12:35PM PEOPLE SPEAKING ON SOMETHING THE FOLKS GO, THE COMMUNITY IS
12:12:38PM SPEAKING OUT.
12:12:39PM AND I GO, NOT NECESSARILY THE COMMUNITY.
12:12:41PM THIS IS THE COMMUNITY.
12:12:42PM TO ME THIS IS THE COMMUNITY.
12:12:44PM THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING OUT.
12:12:46PM SO I DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IN TERMS
12:12:51PM OF THE MANDATE, IF WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM IT, IT'S GOING TO
12:12:55PM CONTINUE TO COME BACK TO US.
12:12:57PM BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC, I THINK, HAS
12:12:59PM SPOKEN ON VERY UNEQUIVOCALLY WITH REGARDS TO PUTTING USED
12:13:11PM WATER THAT TURNS THEM OFF.
12:13:13PM IT JUST DOES.
12:13:14PM I TRIED TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND IT POTENTIALLY IN THE LAST
12:13:17PM TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND I THINK IS SOMETHING THE
12:13:20PM PUBLIC IS VERY MUCH AGAINST AND WHATNOT.

12:13:22PM IT'S AN ISSUE THAT IN A WAY WE ARE UP AGAINST THE CLOAK BUT
12:13:25PM WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ENGAGEMENT WITH
12:13:28PM THE PUBLIC, THEY HAVE SPOKEN OUT VERY MUCH SO ON THIS ISSUE.
12:13:32PM THEY HAVE SPOKEN OUT VERY MUCH ON THIS ISSUE.
12:13:34PM AND I DO THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL ON THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO
12:13:39PM DRAW THE LINE, THAT AFTER TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I DON'T
12:13:43PM KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT START OVER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
12:13:47PM WANT TO SAY TAKE CERTAIN THINGS OFF THE TABLE THE PUBLIC
12:13:50PM DOESN'T LIKE.
12:13:51PM I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF AND
12:13:54PM LISTEN TO.
12:13:54PM AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT, IN MY OPINION.
12:13:58PM THERE'S ANOTHER THING I WANT TO SAY.
12:13:59PM IT'S REALLY EASY WHENEVER YOU ARE SPEAKING ON SOMETHING THAT
12:14:02PM IS CONTROVERSIAL AS THE PUBLIC, ET CETERA, TO GO, WELL,
12:14:05PM STAFF IS DOING THIS, STAFF IS KEEPING THIS FROM US.
12:14:08PM I WORK WITH STAFF A LOT, OBVIOUSLY, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
12:14:11PM WE HAVE REALLY GOOD STAFF HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:14:14PM THEY ARE HARD WORKING.
12:14:15PM THEY ARE HONEST.
12:14:17PM THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
12:14:18PM THEY ARE CIVIL SERVANTS, PUBLIC SERVANTS.
12:14:21PM SO ANYONE WHO WOULD SAY THAT SOMEBODY -- THERE'S SOMETHING
12:14:26PM OUT THERE, I DISAGREE.
12:14:29PM UNTIL I SEE SOMETHING TO THE CONTRARY, OBVIOUSLY.

12:14:32PM I NEVER WANT TO JUMP ON THAT ASSUMPTION.
12:14:34PM AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG.
12:14:36PM BUT I DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT WE DO NEED TO DRAW THE LINE ON
12:14:39PM THIS.
12:14:39PM THE PUBLIC IS OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSED TO THIS.
12:14:42PM WE HAVE HAD TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO TALK ABOUT THIS,
12:14:46PM HAVE DIALOGUE ON THIS.
12:14:47PM AND I THINK WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC ON IT.
12:14:49PM AND THAT IS A BIG CONTRIBUTING FACTOR ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS,
12:14:53PM WHEN THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH IT
12:14:58PM DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC ON AN ISSUE
12:15:00PM LIKE THIS 110%.
12:15:03PM JUST SOME OF MY BELIEF THOUGHTS.
12:15:05PM THANK YOU, SIR.
12:15:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:15:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK SPOKE
12:15:11PM ABOUT APRIL.
12:15:12PM I SUGGEST WE HAVE IT BEFORE THE ELECTION, NOT AFTER THE
12:15:15PM ELECTION.
12:15:16PM I MEAN, MAKES IN A DIFFERENCE TO ME, BUT IF THIS IS GOING TO
12:15:20PM BE AN ISSUE MAKE IT BEFORE THE ELECTION SO THE PUBLIC HAS A
12:15:23PM CHANCE TO VOTE.
12:15:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN COULD YOU DO IT?
12:15:26PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE COULD WORK TO HAVE IT BEFORE APRIL IF
12:15:29PM THAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL.

12:15:31PM OR WE COULD DO IT AS OUR ORIGINAL CONTINUANCE WAS IN
12:15:34PM FEBRUARY.
12:15:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO YOU WANT TO DO IT -- FEBRUARY 23rd
12:15:41PM WORKSHOP?
12:15:42PM OKAY, FEBRUARY 23rd WORKSHOP IT IS.
12:15:44PM THEN I ALSO WANT TO CHANGE IN MY MOTION TO HAVE PRELIMINARY
12:15:51PM FINDINGS MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN JANUARY, LATE JANUARY.
12:16:00PM I MADE THE MOTION ALREADY.
12:16:02PM NOW I AM MODIFYING IT ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCILMAN.
12:16:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MIRANDA SECOND ON THAT.
12:16:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
12:16:11PM HURTAK.
12:16:12PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:16:13PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:16:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:16:18PM COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS ALREADY STATED THE HUGE AMOUNT OF
12:16:21PM PUBLIC OPPOSITION TO THIS.
12:16:23PM PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.
12:16:26PM AND I ROBE AND I ALWAYS BRING THIS UP, 2016 WITH THAT FORM
12:16:31PM KILOWATT SOCIETY OF $251 MILLION OF PROPERTY -- TAX
12:16:37PM ASSESSMENT INCREASE ESSENTIALLY, I HAD PEOPLE INDIVIDUALS
12:16:41PM THAT SAID, PLEASE PASS IT.
12:16:45PM PEOPLE THAT WERE LAND OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE
12:16:48PM GOING TO BE PAYING MORE IN TAXES BECAUSE OF FLOODING IN THE
12:16:52PM CITY.

12:16:52PM I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT WITH PURE.
12:16:54PM IF I SEARCH MY E-MAILS I MIGHT FIND ONE OR TWO IN SUPPORT.
12:16:58PM I TRUST PEOPLE.
12:17:00PM I FEEL CONFIDENT GARY EVANS AND KEN BAILEY BEFORE THAT.
12:17:06PM THERE ARE SOME GREAT, GREAT CONCERNS.
12:17:08PM AND I OFTEN LOOK TO MY MOTHER, YOU KNOW, FOR GUIDANCE AND
12:17:14PM WHATNOT.
12:17:15PM AND IF I CAN CONVINCE MY MOTHER, AND IF I CAN SWAY HER ON
12:17:19PM SOMETHING, THEN MAYBE I FEEL RIGHT TO VOTE ON IT.
12:17:25PM I CAN'T CONVINCE MY MOTHER.
12:17:26PM AND SHE'S PRETTY EASY TO SWAY AND SHE'S JUST TOTALLY OPPOSED
12:17:30PM TO IT.
12:17:30PM SO I USE THAT AS A LITMUS TEST.
12:17:32PM THAT'S ONE THING.
12:17:34PM BUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY, VERY HARD SELL.
12:17:38PM AGAIN, IF THERE WAS 998 PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, THERE
12:17:44PM MIGHT BE TWO IN SUPPORT, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE TALKING
12:17:49PM TO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, NOT JUST
12:17:52PM TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE HERE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNT
12:17:55PM OF PEOPLE SAYING NO TO SOMETHING, OR THEY ARE SCARED OF IT,
12:17:59PM OR THEY ARE SCARED FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN OF
12:18:01PM WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE WATER, I MEAN, THIS IS TOUGH.
12:18:05PM AND THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED, IS THIS ABSOLUTELY
12:18:08PM NECESSARY?
12:18:09PM AND ARE WE WILLING TO RISK THE FUTURE?

12:18:11PM ARE WE WILLING TO RISK A POSSIBLE CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ONE
12:18:15PM DAY?
12:18:15PM I DON'T WANT THAT BLOOD ON MY HAND.
12:18:18PM IF IT'S ABOUT, WELL, YOU RAISED MY TAXES.
12:18:21PM BUT I FIXED YOUR FLOODING.
12:18:22PM OR IF I AM SUPPORTING ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION, WHICH I AM,
12:18:25PM BECAUSE I WANT THE ROADS TO GET FIXED, AND SIDEWALKS, I WANT
12:18:29PM TO GO TO YOU, JEAN DUNCAN, AND SAY HEY, CAN WE GET THIS?
12:18:34PM WE HAVE THAT MONEY IN PLACE.
12:18:35PM THAT'S DIFFERENT.
12:18:36PM BUT THIS, THIS IS MESSING WITH PEOPLE'S HEALTH, POTENTIALLY.
12:18:39PM AND THAT IS A BIG CONCERN TO ME.
12:18:41PM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:18:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:18:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I 100% AGREE, AND I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT
12:18:49PM A MOTION OR EVEN MAKE A MOTION TO SAY NO, WE ARE NOT GOING
12:18:52PM TO FUND THIS ANYMORE.
12:18:53PM BUT THIS MOTION IS ASKING -- AND I WILL BE SELFISH.
12:19:00PM IT'S FOR ME AS MUCH AS IT IS FOR WHAT I HAVE READ IN THE
12:19:03PM E-MAILS FROM THE PUBLIC OF WHAT DO WE DO?
12:19:06PM A LOT OF MY E-MAILS ARE SAYING, LET'S JUST STICK WITH WHAT
12:19:10PM WE HAVE.
12:19:10PM SO WHAT I WANT TO THE KNOW IS, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS
12:19:14PM BOTH GOOD AND BAD FOR STICKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE?
12:19:17PM AND I WANT THIS INFORMATION FROM THE PCL CONTACT, THEN I

12:19:23PM WANT THE STAKE HOLDERS TO WEIGH IN ON THE ANSWERS THAT WE
12:19:26PM GET, AND THEN I WANT US TO COME BACK TO A WORKSHOP TOGETHER
12:19:29PM TO DISCUSS -- AND IF THE PUBLIC STILL SAYS WE DON'T WANT IT,
12:19:33PM AND WE ARE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE, THEN AWESOME.
12:19:39PM I'M FINE WITH THAT.
12:19:41PM BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS PARTICULAR MOTION IS ABOUT.
12:19:43PM AND THEN IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO -- OR I WILL MAKE THE
12:19:47PM MOTION TO SAY NO TO FURTHER FUNDING, AND THAT'S FINE.
12:19:50PM >> MR. CHAIR.
12:19:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL GET TO YOU AFTER COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:19:56PM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:19:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT JUST AGREEING WITH MS. HURTAK
12:20:02PM AT ALL.
12:20:03PM HOWEVER HER MOTION FOR 17 ITEMS IS NOT GOING TO BE HEARD IN
12:20:09PM FEBRUARY.
12:20:09PM SO DOES IT COST ANY MONEY AT ALL TODAY TO LET 5 AND 6
12:20:14PM COINCIDE WITH THE NEW MOTION THAT WE HAVE ON THE FLOOR, NOT
12:20:17PM ONLY HER 17 ITEMS FOR THIS TYPE OF WATER BUT FOR THE TYPE OF
12:20:21PM WATER, RIVER WATER, WELL WATER THE L, THAT WE ARE GETTING
12:20:24PM THE WATER FROM TO USE, THAT WE USE ON A DAILY BASIS IN THE
12:20:28PM CITY OF TAMPA TO MEET THE 17 CRITERIA FOR THE WATER WE ARE
12:20:31PM TALKING ABOUT, THE WATER WE HAVE NOW.
12:20:33PM AND THE OTHER PART WAS ANY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES EAST OF US,
12:20:38PM IF THEY HAVE DUMPING ANY WATER GREEN SWAMP OR -- AND THOSE
12:20:43PM ARE THE SAME THINGS.

12:20:44PM SO I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERYTHING
12:20:47PM DONE, 5 AND 6, AND IF IT TAKES ALL DAY TO DO SOMETHING, I
12:20:51PM WANT TO DO IT.
12:20:52PM NOT ONLY FOR TRANSPARENCY BUT WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS NOTE
12:20:56PM RIGHT.
12:20:56PM I AM NOT SAYING THERE'S A WRONG.
12:20:58PM SOMETIMES YOU SAY I HATE SOMETHING.
12:21:00PM I LIKE THINGS MORE THAN OTHERS.
12:21:02PM THAT'S ALL.
12:21:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:21:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
12:21:09PM I WOULD RESPECTFULLY HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST COUNCILMEMBER
12:21:13PM HURTAK'S PROPOSAL ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WASTE
12:21:16PM ANY MORE TIME ON THIS.
12:21:17PM WE DON'T NEED IT.
12:21:19PM AND THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS ARE BIASED BY THE MODEL
12:21:24PM THAT IS IN IT.
12:21:26PM AN EXAMPLE, WE JUST SAW THE THREE REASONS, THE RATIONALE FOR
12:21:31PM THIS, WHICH I HAVE BEEN DISPUTING FOR MONTHS.
12:21:35PM IF WE ASSUME THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE MINIMUM FLOWS, AND WE
12:21:38PM CAN'T -- AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMES THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO BUY
12:21:42PM WATER FROM SOMEONE ELSE.
12:21:43PM IT'S A FLAWED MODEL THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
12:21:45PM AND I THINK THE WATER DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US
12:21:49PM FIRST WITH A NEW MODEL, WITH A REAL QUESTION THAT NEEDS

12:21:54PM ANSWERED, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS 15 MGD?
12:21:59PM AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS HOW DO WE GO ABOUT RESPONDING --
12:22:02PM FIRST OF ALL WE SHOULD LOBBY THE STATE TO CHANGE THAT
12:22:05PM AGREEMENT.
12:22:05PM SECOND WE SHOULD WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO PUT UP AN HONEST
12:22:09PM PROPOSAL TO THE -- I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THEY ARE NOT
12:22:12PM INTERESTED IN GETTING IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUILD
12:22:16PM SOMETHING.
12:22:17PM AND SO IF THAT'S THE ATTITUDE, THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK
12:22:20PM WITH ANSWERS TO JUSTIFY DOING SOMETHING.
12:22:22PM BUT WE DON'T NEED IT MORE MINIMUM FLOWS, TO BE DROUGHT
12:22:27PM PROOF, AND WE DON'T NEED TO THE COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.
12:22:29PM BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIND OTHER SOLUTIONS TO THE
12:22:34PM PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE NOT JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE LENS OF
12:22:39PM WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS?
12:22:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:22:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM SITTING HERE LISTENING, AND WE HAVE
12:22:48PM $800,000 LEFT.
12:22:50PM I DON'T WANT TO BLOW $800,000.
12:22:53PM BECAUSE LISTENING TO SOME OF THE COUNCILMEN THEY ARE ALREADY
12:22:58PM CONVINCED.
12:22:59PM SO JUST WASTING $8,000 FOR A NO VOTE TO -- 800,000 TO COME
12:23:07PM BACK IS CRAZY.
12:23:09PM WE HAVE ALL THE ISSUES GOING ON.
12:23:12PM I AM ALWAYS SUPPORTIVE, COUNCILWOMAN, BUT TO ME $800,000 AND

12:23:17PM HEARING YOU AND TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAVEN'T HEARD
12:23:21PM FROM THE CHAIRMAN YET, ALREADY SAYING NO ALREADY.
12:23:26PM I HATE TO BLOW $800,000.
12:23:29PM SO AGAIN, I LIKE TO LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY, AND
12:23:36PM WAIT DOWN THE LINE, AND IF DEP OR WHATEVER, EVERYONE HAS A
12:23:43PM SAY, BUT RIGHT NOW, $100,000 JUST TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO DO
12:23:50PM THIS, AND I AM HEARING PEOPLE ALREADY SAYING LET'S JUST KILL
12:23:53PM IT, THEN WHY ARE WE WASTING OUR MONEY?
12:23:57PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: COULD I ANSWER THAT?
12:24:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. DUNCAN, PLEASE GREEN JEAN WE WOULD LIKE
12:24:06PM TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH COUNCIL HURTAK'S RECOMMENDATION
12:24:12PM BECAUSE THE DEP, SWFWMD, TAMPA BAY WATER, THEY WILL BE
12:24:20PM GIVING US FEEDBACK IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS OF WHICH WE HAVE
12:24:23PM TO RESPOND TO, PARTICULARLY SWFWMD.
12:24:25PM SO AGAIN, I THINK IF WE HAD A COMPROMISE OF NOT APPROVING
12:24:30PM THE AMENDMENT, BUT LETTING US TAKE THE MONEYS WE HAVE TO
12:24:33PM ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT MS. HURTAK IS PROPOSING, THAT'S
12:24:39PM PROBABLY THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.
12:24:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:24:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY MOTION DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH
12:24:51PM PURE.
12:24:51PM I AM ALREADY SAYING NO TO PURE I HAVE OF.
12:24:55PM I DON'T WANT ANY MORE MONEY FOR PURE.
12:24:56PM BUT IF WE ARE BEING TOLD WE HAVE TO FIND OUT SOMETHING TO DO
12:24:59PM WITH THIS WATER, IF STAFF IS TELLING US THAT, HEY, THESE ARE

12:25:05PM PROBLEMS, OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT AGREE.
12:25:07PM BUT THIS IS WHAT I AM BEING TOLD.
12:25:09PM I WANT THE CHANCE TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE THE OTHER ISSUE IS,
12:25:15PM WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T COMPLY?
12:25:18PM I JUST WANT THE ANSWERS TO THAT.
12:25:20PM SO THIS TO ME IS NOT ABOUT PURE.
12:25:22PM I WANT PURE TO GO AWAY.
12:25:24PM I HAVE SAID THIS FROM THE FIRST TIME.
12:25:26PM NO FOR PURE.
12:25:27PM NO.
12:25:27PM LET'S JUST GET RID OF IT.
12:25:29PM IF WE ARE LOOKING -- IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING
12:25:32PM ELSE IN THE FUTURE MY GOAL IS TO GO COMPLETELY BACK TO THE
12:25:35PM QUESTION OF WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS?
12:25:39PM AND SO TO ME WHEN I GO BACK TO WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT
12:25:42PM THIS, WHY I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN
12:25:46PM WORKING MANDATED BY THE STATE TO DO THIS, AND YOU HAVE SAID
12:25:49PM THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A
12:25:53PM FINALIZED LETTER THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TALK TO THE
12:25:56PM STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE BRINGING TO US BEFORE SENDING TO DEP TO
12:26:00PM GET AN AFTERNOONS ABOUT WHETHER WE EVEN NEED TO DO THIS.
12:26:03PM AND I WOULD HAPPILY SAY THAT IF WE FIND THE ANSWER THAT, NO,
12:26:07PM WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, THAT WE WOULD STOP THIS MOTION I
12:26:11PM AM ASKING FOR TO STOP SPENDING MOPE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO
12:26:15PM ABOUT IT OR IF WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

12:26:19PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CLEAR.
12:26:21PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IT'S CLEAR TO ME.
12:26:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT ASKING FOR MONEY TO BE SPENT ON
12:26:25PM PURE.
12:26:26PM >> THE FUNDING THAT YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO SPEND IS UNDER
12:26:33PM THE CONTRACT THAT WE PUT THE LABEL ON IT, PURIFYING --
12:26:39PM SORRY, SAYING THIS SO MANY TIMES -- PURIFYING RESOURCES FOR
12:26:43PM THE ENVIRONMENT JUST TO GIVE IT A NAME.
12:26:45PM IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LABEL.
12:26:48PM SO THE CONTRACT THAT THAT MONEY IS IN IS THAT PCL CONTRACT.
12:26:55PM HOWEVER, IT'S OUR OPINION AND WE CAN CONFIRM WITH LEGAL THAT
12:27:01PM IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT SCOPE AND WE CAN MAKE THOSE
12:27:04PM ADJUSTMENTS, SPEND THE MONEY ON THE QUESTIONS YOU ARE BEING
12:27:07PM ASKED, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ANSWER.
12:27:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
12:27:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:27:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:27:17PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO MAKE A MOTION LATER ABOUT ASKING THE
12:27:23PM STAFF TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH US AND THE COMMUNITY ON
12:27:26PM THE DEP ORDER BUT ALSO IN THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD
12:27:33PM GET AN AMENDMENT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THEIR
12:27:35PM LOBBYISTS WILL NOT IN ANY WAY LOBBY THE DEP OR THE STATE,
12:27:41PM REJECT THAT BENEFICIAL USE.
12:27:46PM [~DISTORTION~] THE SECOND THING IS, COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK,
12:27:51PM WOULD YOU CONSIDER AMENDING YOUR MOTION TO ADD SIERRA CLUB,

12:27:58PM FRIEND OF RIVER REPRESENTATIVES, AND REPRESENTATIVES OF 20
12:28:04PM PLUS GROUP COALITION TO PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME?
12:28:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY.
12:28:09PM I HAVE NOT ASKED THEM, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD
12:28:12PM PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME.
12:28:14PM THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO HOPE WITH THE WORKSHOP
12:28:17PM IS THAT EVERYBODY, WE COULD ALL COME TOGETHER AND DISCUSS.
12:28:20PM I AM GETTING A NOD FROM THE AUDIENCE.
12:28:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: WITH THAT AMENDMENT I WOULD SUPPORT THE
12:28:26PM MOTION JUST BECAUSE HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE COLLABORATIVE
12:28:29PM EFFORT IN THE MEANTIME, WHETHER GROUPS AGREE OR DISAGREE, WE
12:28:34PM WILL HEAR FROM THEM DIRECTLY AND NOT JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:28:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHO SECONDED MY MOTION?
12:28:44PM >> I WILL SECOND IT.
12:28:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMEONE DID.
12:28:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT WAS SO LONG AGO.
12:28:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU STEP THAT AMENDMENT?
12:28:54PM BECAUSE I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
12:28:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL SECOND IT.
12:28:59PM BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHEN YOU CLARIFY, BUT I AM HEARING
12:29:02PM PURE, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF YOU WANT TO KILL SOMETHING,
12:29:10PM YOU KILL IT.
12:29:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO KILL THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO
12:29:17PM INJECT THIS INTO THE AQUIFER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE
12:29:20PM TELLING US THEY DON'T WANT.

12:29:21PM I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE STICK WITH WHAT
12:29:26PM WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
12:29:27PM WE ARE BEING TOLD BY STAFF THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM.
12:29:31PM BUT IF WE GET INPUT FROM ALL OF THESE OTHER ENTITIES TO FIND
12:29:37PM OUT, I MEAN, WHAT IF -- I MEAN, IF THE ONLY PUNISHMENT WE
12:29:42PM GET IS SOME FINES AND THEN WE CAN FIND -- BUY EXTRA WATER
12:29:48PM FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, GREAT.
12:29:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND IT BUT I WANT TO
12:29:53PM SAY -- I WANT TO KILL IT.
12:30:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE WITH YOU.
12:30:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HATE TO BE YOU.
12:30:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
12:30:08PM [SOUNDING GAVEL]
12:30:09PM CAN WE GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER HERE?
12:30:14PM >> SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
12:30:16PM FOR THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY.
12:30:19PM HOWEVER, THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE ON 5 AND 6, IF YOU
12:30:23PM WANT TO CONTINUE IT OR NOT.
12:30:24PM IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE IT TO GO ALONG WITH YOUR
12:30:27PM MOTION, COUNCIL CANNOT MAKE A DECISION DURING THE WORKSHOP.
12:30:30PM SO IF YOU WANT THOSE ITEMS TO GO ALONG WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS
12:30:35PM 5 AND 6 -- YOU DON'T.
12:30:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
12:30:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS AMENDED COUNCIL
12:30:45PM HURTAK'S MOTION AND THE SECONDER AGREED TO THAT AMENDMENT.

12:30:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE, AND BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT A
12:30:56PM MEMBER OF ANY ONE OF THESE FIVE ORGANIZATIONS.
12:30:58PM I THINK I SENT SOME MONEY TO ALL OF THEM ONE TIME OR ANOTHER
12:31:01PM AND I GOT A LITTLE CARD SAYING MY NAME IS ON IT BUT I AM NOT
12:31:04PM A MEMBER ALTHOUGH I SEND MONEY TO SOME OF THEM.
12:31:07PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ONE OF THEM OR NOT.
12:31:09PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD.
12:31:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
12:31:16PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:31:17PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:31:20PM CARLSON AMENDED IT WHICH NOW IT'S HIS MOTION.
12:31:25PM THE AMENDMENT TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:31:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WAS NO VOTE.
12:31:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HE AMENDED.
12:31:33PM HE SAID HE WANTED FRIEND OF THE RIVER INVOLVED.
12:31:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT THAT WAS A QUESTION IF SHE WOULD
12:31:41PM ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
12:31:42PM I DIDN'T HEAR A MOTION TO AMEND.
12:31:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MADE A MOTION, SECONDED
12:31:48PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:31:49PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:31:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:31:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:31:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:31:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.

12:31:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:31:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:32:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:32:01PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:32:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL FOR AGENDA
12:32:04PM ITEMS NUMBER 5 AND 6?
12:32:07PM >> MOVE TO CONTINUE 5 AND 6 --
12:32:12PM >> NO.
12:32:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
12:32:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I MOVE THAT WE DISCONTINUE THE FUNDING.
12:32:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 800 SOMETHING.
12:32:26PM I'M SORRY.
12:32:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:32:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE UNSPENT
12:32:31PM MONEY 800,000 WOULD NOT BE SPENT BETWEEN NOW AND WHATEVER.
12:32:34PM IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?
12:32:35PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: NO, THE 880,000 IS UNDER THE ORIGINAL
12:32:39PM CONTRACT.
12:32:41PM WE WOULD SPEND THOSE MONEYS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, PREPARE
12:32:44PM FOR THE WORKSHOP.
12:32:45PM THE CONTINUANCE HAS THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS 1 POINT SOMETHING
12:32:53PM MILLION.
12:32:53PM THAT IS THE CONTINUANCE.
12:32:56PM THAT'S THE CONTINUANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY.
12:33:00PM YOU CAN DECIDE TO VOTE TO SUPPORT OR TO NOT SUPPORT.

12:33:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU GOING TO SPEND
12:33:07PM THE 17 QUESTIONS THAT SHE ASKED AND I ADDED TO, THE CURRENT
12:33:11PM WATER SYSTEM AND ANY OTHER FLOW THAT COMES FROM SOMEWHERE
12:33:15PM ELSE TO THE GREEN SWAMP.
12:33:16PM THAT'S GOING TO TAKE HOW MUCH?
12:33:18PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THAT WON'T TAKE MUCH MONEY AT ALL.
12:33:20PM WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK IN DECEMBER WITH THOSE QUESTIONS
12:33:22PM ANSWERED.
12:33:23PM HOWEVER, THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS
12:33:26PM PROPOSING, THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME AND MONEY AND WILL COME
12:33:31PM BACK EITHER FEBRUARY OR APRIL, I'M SORRY, I WASN'T SURE
12:33:36PM WHICH FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN DO EITHER.
12:33:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:33:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
12:33:42PM THIS TOOK ME A WHILE, TOO.
12:33:43PM THERE'S TWO POTS OF MONEY FOR 1.27 MILLION.
12:33:47PM SO THE FIRST ONE YOU ALL APPROVED IN FEBRUARY, AND WE HAD
12:33:50PM 250,000 SPENT AND WE HAVE 880 THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED THAT
12:33:54PM I WANT SOME OF IT, HOW FAR IT COSTS TO GO TOWARDS FINDING
12:33:59PM ANSWERS WHAT THE DEAL IS IN ORDER TO KILL THE ADDITIONAL
12:34:02PM 1.17 MILLION THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ADDING TO MAKE A MORE
12:34:07PM ROBUST SYSTEM.
12:34:09PM THAT WE ARE GOING TO KILL.
12:34:11PM NO MORE.
12:34:12PM THAT'S WHAT I WANT.

12:34:13PM I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF YOU.
12:34:14PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: COULD I SHOW THE ELMO, SHOW THE MONEY?
12:34:20PM SO THIS IS THE EXISTING MONEY.
12:34:22PM THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS 1.5 AND CHANGE.
12:34:26PM THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD MONEY FROM SWFWMD INCLUDED, WHICH WAS
12:34:30PM ABOUT 440,000.
12:34:33PM WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT PCL'S CONTRACT THE DIFFERENCE
12:34:37PM OF THAT ABOUT 1.1 MILLION.
12:34:38PM WE HAVE SPENT 252,000 OF THAT, AND THE 881 IS WHAT'S LEFT
12:34:43PM OVER.
12:34:44PM THAT'S EXISTING APPROVED DOLLARS USED TO PREPARE FOR THE
12:34:47PM WORKSHOP.
12:34:58PM WE DIDN'T SAY WE ARE SPENDING ALL OF THE MONEY.
12:35:00PM WE ARE USING THAT TO DRAW FROM TO PREPARE FOR THE WORKSHOP.
12:35:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT'S THE AMOUNT?
12:35:07PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE JUST GOT THE QUESTION ASKED OF US IN THIS
12:35:11PM MOMENT SO WE DON'T HAVE -- WE.
12:35:13PM HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH OUR CONSULTANT.
12:35:16PM WE DO THAT HOUSEKEEPING.
12:35:20PM SO WE DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF WHAT THAT WILL COST
12:35:23PM RIGHT HERE AT THIS TIME.
12:35:24PM IT WILL BE LESS THAN 880,000.
12:35:27PM PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
12:35:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNSEL.
12:35:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT CHART.

12:35:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURE.
12:35:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN YOU SAY THE MONEY IS SPENT, THAT IS
12:35:50PM UNDERSTOOD.
12:35:51PM WHEN YOU SAY IT'S ENCUMBERED, IT'S ENCUMBERED FOR A SPECIFIC
12:35:56PM PURPOSE, IS IT NOT?
12:35:57PM >> YES.
12:35:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE STILL NEEDS TO BE
12:36:01PM DONE AT SOME POINT THAT MONEY STILL NEEDS TO BE REPLENISHED,
12:36:05PM CORRECTED?
12:36:06PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: NO.
12:36:07PM THE DOLLARS LEFT AND THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED
12:36:09PM ALIGN VERY CLOSELY.
12:36:12PM SO AGAIN, WE'LL GET A LEGAL OPINION WITH MORE DETAIL,
12:36:15PM BECAUSE AGAIN WE ARE JUST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT
12:36:17PM NOW, BUT OUR ENGINEERING OPINION IS IF WE PASS THE TASKS
12:36:24PM ALIGN CLOSELY ENOUGH WHERE IT'S AN EXERCISE TO ADJUST THOSE
12:36:27PM TASKS AND GET THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR THE WORKSHOP.
12:36:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE COST TO BE ABLE TO
12:36:32PM PROVIDE TO COUNCIL THIS AFTERNOON BECAUSE THIS IT WAS JUST
12:36:35PM BROUGHT UP.
12:36:35PM IS THAT CORRECT?
12:36:37PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
12:36:42PM >> WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
12:36:45PM THE SCOPE THAT WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY, PART OF THAT SCOPE
12:36:48PM IS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS ASKED, IS WHAT

12:36:52PM HAPPENS IF WE KEEP THE STATUS QUO?
12:36:55PM THAT IS PART OF THE SCOPE.
12:36:56PM IT'S PART OF WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ANSWER.
12:36:59PM THAT IS PART OF THE SCOPE.
12:37:00PM SO WE COULD USE EXISTING MONEYS TO DO THAT.
12:37:05PM AFTER THIS MEETING WE CAN FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT
12:37:08PM WOULD COST AND PROVIDE THAT TO COUNCIL.
12:37:10PM IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE LESS THAN THE $800,000.
12:37:13PM BUT WITHOUT TALKING TO THEM ABOUT IT, THERE'S NO WAY I CAN
12:37:16PM GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE ESTIMATE.
12:37:19PM THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
12:37:23PM RELATED TO MINIMUM FLOWS LIKE WHAT DO WE DO?
12:37:27PM I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED ONE, INTERLOCAL
12:37:32PM AGREEMENT WILL BE NO SMALL TASK.
12:37:34PM IF WE ARE BUYING MORE WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER HOW IS THAT
12:37:37PM GOING TO AFFECT THE BILL?
12:37:39PM HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE OUR CONNECTIONS FOR TAMPA BAY
12:37:44PM WATER?
12:37:46PM WHAT SIZE CONNECTIONS WILL WE NEED, IS WHAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE
12:37:50PM ENOUGH?
12:37:51PM THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT REQUIRE AN ENGINEERING
12:37:54PM LOOK TO ANSWER THAT.
12:37:55PM SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MONEY WILL BE USED FOR.
12:37:57PM AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE LEFT.
12:37:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.

12:38:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:38:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK MOTIONS THAT
12:38:09PM WOULD INFORM THIS, PLEASE?
12:38:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
12:38:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
12:38:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY
12:38:26PM STAFF TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MEET WITH COUNCIL AND
12:38:32PM THE PUBLIC TO DEVELOP -- TO TRY TO DEVELOP A REQUEST OF DEP
12:38:38PM TO THE CURRENT USAGE, BENEFICIAL USE.
12:38:47PM [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
12:38:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
12:38:55PM WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE ARE CURRENTLY DISCHARGING INTO THE
12:38:58PM BAY, AND THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO USE IT FOR
12:39:06PM ENVIRONMENTAL EFFORTS, TO SAY WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW IS A
12:39:08PM BENEFICIAL USE.
12:39:09PM SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING ELSE IN THE
12:39:12PM FUTURE.
12:39:12PM IT WOULD JUST BUY US TIME.
12:39:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. WEBER.
12:39:18PM >> I WOULD JUST BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT IS EXACTLY
12:39:22PM WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER BEFORE YOU HAVE ALREADY
12:39:25PM MADE THAT COMMITMENT.
12:39:26PM WE WORKED WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO DEVELOP THE REQUEST, AND THAT
12:39:30PM IS THE REQUEST THAT WE ARE GOING TO CIRCULATE IN ITS FINAL
12:39:33PM FORM TO THE STAKEHOLDERS AND TO COUNCIL TO LOOK AT AND

12:39:36PM COMMENT ON BEFORE WE SUBMIT TO DEP.
12:39:39PM SO WE HAVE ALREADY MADE THAT COMMITMENT.
12:39:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CODIFY IT IN A MOTION,
12:39:45PM PLEASE.
12:39:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
12:39:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MADE A SECOND.
12:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
12:39:54PM CARLSON, SECONDED BID COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:39:57PM IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
12:39:59PM >>THE CLERK: IS THERE A DATE FOR THAT REPORT TO COME BACK?
12:40:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE A DATE FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN
12:40:06PM CARLSON?
12:40:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S NOT A REPORT.
12:40:08PM IT'S JUST A REQUEST FOR STAFF TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE
12:40:12PM COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL TO SEND A REQUEST TO DEP TO CALL THE
12:40:18PM CURRENT USE --
12:40:23PM >> IN DECEMBER?
12:40:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: SURE.
12:40:28PM BEFORE DECEMBER.
12:40:29PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I JUST WANT TO SAY WE COULD DO THAT SOONER
12:40:33PM THAN DECEMBER.
12:40:34PM WE WERE ACTUALLY PLANNING TO SHARE THAT LETTER AMONGST THE
12:40:37PM STAKEHOLDERS AND THE COUNCIL WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS
12:40:41PM WITH THE HOPE OF GETTING THE ANSWER BACK FROM DEP IN
12:40:44PM NOVEMBER SUCH AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.

12:40:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:40:51PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:40:53PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:40:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO BECAUSE WE CAN DO IT EARLIER.
12:40:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:41:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:41:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:41:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:41:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:41:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:41:10PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
12:41:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
12:41:15PM A MOTION TO REQUEST OR TO ASK THAT STAFF BEGIN WORKING WITH
12:41:25PM THE TAMPA BAY WATER BOARD TO DISCUSS MODIFYING THE
12:41:29PM INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO INCREASE ACCESS TO WATER DURING
12:41:36PM DROUGHTS, AND THAT TAMPA BAY WATER CONSIDER CONNECTING US
12:41:42PM DIRECTLY TO THE REGIONAL PIPELINE.
12:41:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
12:41:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
12:41:51PM BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:41:53PM IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
12:41:55PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:41:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION WITH NO END.
12:41:59PM YOU HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC IN MY MIND.
12:42:00PM WHAT IS HE LOOKING FOR, SIR?

12:42:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: IDEALLY --
12:42:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TAMPA BAY WATER PRODUCING ABOUT 180 SOME
12:42:10PM MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY AND TAMPA BAY PRODUCES ABOUT
12:42:13PM A THIRD, 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
12:42:15PM SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND, THE BOARD, TO OPEN UP A CONTRACT LIKE
12:42:21PM THAT, I TRIED 3 OR 4 TIMES, AND I HAVE NEVER SUCCEEDED.
12:42:25PM SO I AM WILLING TO DO IT THIS TIME AGAIN.
12:42:27PM BUT THE CONTRACT, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, NOT THE
12:42:32PM WHOLE JACKET, WHICH WOULD RATHER SEE THE WHOLE CONTRACT.
12:42:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE MAIN TWO REASONS
12:42:43PM FOR PURE THAT WE ARE GIVEN, ONE WAS MINIMUM FLOWS AND THE
12:42:48PM OTHER IS DROUGHT PROOF.
12:42:49PM ANOTHER ONE THAT'S OFTEN GIVEN IS SALTWATER INTRUSION IN
12:42:54PM SULPHUR SPRINGS.
12:42:55PM THE SOLUTION TO ALL OF THEM COULD BE TO BUY MORE FROM TAMPA
12:42:57PM BAY WATER, AND SO THE REASON, IN THE MODELING, ONE OF THE
12:43:03PM REASONS WHY WE DON'T DO THAT IS BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO
12:43:06PM MODIFY THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
12:43:07PM SO ALL THIS SIMPLY DOES IS STATES A CITY COUNCIL REQUEST OF
12:43:12PM STAFF TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION SO THAT WE DON'T WAIT LIKE
12:43:19PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID, MAY TAKE A LONG TIME.
12:43:22PM THE REGION I MENTIONED THE REGIONAL PIPELINE IS CURRENTLY
12:43:25PM MR. WEBER HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TREATMENT THAT IS
12:43:28PM REQUIRED BY MIXING TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES OF WATER, AND TWO
12:43:33PM DIFFERENT TREATMENT METHODS IN THE WAY WE ARE CURRENTLY

12:43:35PM CONNECTED, AND SO CONNECTING TO REGIONAL PIPELINE MAY STILL
12:43:38PM MEAN THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL TREATMENT THAT WOULD BE
12:43:41PM REQUIRED.
12:43:41PM BUT IT WOULD CONNECT US MORE DIRECTLY TO THE REGIONAL SOURCE
12:43:44PM OF WATER, AND WILL INCREASE OUR CAPACITY IF NEEDED.
12:43:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHO IS GOING TO BEAR THE COST OF
12:43:51PM CONNECTION?
12:43:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: SOMETHING WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
12:43:54PM BUT -- AS WE TALK ABOUT THE COST, IF WE SPEND $6 BILLION,
12:43:59PM THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG COST TO OUR RATE PAYERS WHEN WE
12:44:02PM COULD BE NARROWING DOWN FOR 100 YEARS.
12:44:05PM THIS WOULD BE BUY ON AN INCREMENTAL BASIS AND HOPEFULLY
12:44:10PM TAMPA BAY WATER WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RIGHT IN
12:44:17PM CONNECTING US THAT WAY.
12:44:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:44:20PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:44:23PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:44:24PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:44:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:44:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:44:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:44:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:44:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:44:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES PROVIDING WHO WILL SEND THE LETTER?
12:44:42PM >> I WILL SEND THE LETTER.

12:44:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
12:44:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:44:45PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:44:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, REAL FAST, MAKE A MOTION TO
12:44:52PM ASK THAT TAMPA BAY WATER INCLUDE OUR 50 MGD, ONE OF THE
12:45:02PM ALTERNATIVE SOURCES IN THEIR NEXT ALTERNATIVE SOURCES
12:45:05PM ANALYSIS.
12:45:08PM DO THEY DO A -- IN 2018 WE ASKED THEM TO TAKE IT OUT SO IF
12:45:15PM WE ASK THEM TO PUT IT BACK IN, THEN INCLUDE IT AS A REGIONAL
12:45:18PM IN A ANALYSIS AND TELL US ALL OF US WHETHER IT'S THE MOST
12:45:22PM COST EFFECTIVE SOURCE AND THAT COULD BE PARALLEL FOR OUR OWN
12:45:25PM ANALYSIS BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE ANOTHER MACHINE THERE WHERE
12:45:29PM IT'S INCLUDED AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS FOR THE REGION.
12:45:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. WEBER.
12:45:34PM >>CHUCK WEBER: THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
12:45:37PM STUDYING AS PART OF PURE AND WE HAVE MADE CONSIDERABLE
12:45:39PM PROGRESS ON THAT.
12:45:40PM WE HAVE ASKED THEM HOW MUCH MOAN WATER THEY ARE INTERESTED
12:45:42PM IN.
12:45:43PM THE STAFF OF TAMPA BAY WATER HAS INDICATED 20 MILLION
12:45:46PM GALLONS A DAY IS WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN.
12:45:48PM THEY INDICATED THAT THE NUMBERS DERIVED FROM THE NEED FOR
12:45:51PM THE REGION, THEY DON'T SEE THE NEED TO PURCHASE 50 MGD.
12:45:56PM WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST TO THEM TO
12:45:59PM GET A RESPONSE IN WRITING.

12:46:01PM BUT THE INDICATION THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US OVER THE LAST
12:46:06PM REALLY THE LAST YEAR IS THAT 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IS AS
12:46:09PM MUCH AS THEY BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PURCHASE.
12:46:12PM SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE INDICATION THAT THEY ARE GIVING US AT
12:46:17PM THE STAFF LEVEL.
12:46:19PM I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH ASKING IF THEY WOULDN'T MIND
12:46:22PM GIVING US SOMETHING IN WRITING AS TO WHAT THEY MIGHT BE
12:46:24PM WILLING TO PURCHASE.
12:46:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
12:46:30PM CARLSON.
12:46:31PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:46:32PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:46:34PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:46:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:46:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:46:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:46:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:46:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:46:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:46:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:46:46PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:46:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:46:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
12:46:50PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:47:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: LET ME TRY.

12:47:02PM FILE PW-22-75853, AND FILE NUMBER PW-22-75886, TO DENY IT?
12:47:19PM CANCEL IT?
12:47:20PM IS THAT THE WORD?
12:47:24PM TELL ME WHAT TO SAY.
12:47:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD TAKE THE VOTES SEPARATELY IF YOU
12:47:28PM DON'T MIND.
12:47:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
12:47:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER, THE DENIAL OF A
12:47:35PM RESOLUTION, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S IN THE BUDGET OR NOT,
12:47:37PM WHETHER IT NECESSARILY REMOVES IT FROM THE BUDGET.
12:47:39PM IT'S JUST A PARTICULAR RESOLUTION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AN
12:47:42PM AGREEMENT.
12:47:44PM IT'S DENIED BUT IT DOESN'T PREVENT IT FROM BEING BROUGHT
12:47:50PM BACK BY THE ADMINISTRATION, SO IF THAT COMES BACK IT'S NOT
12:47:55PM NECESSARILY BINDING.
12:47:56PM JUST SO YOU KNOW.
12:47:57PM SO IF YOU WANT TO DENY IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT JUST WITH THE
12:48:00PM UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ARE DENYING THE AMENDMENT TO THE
12:48:03PM AGREEMENT, AND THE AGREEMENT STILL EXISTS.
12:48:08PM IS THAT CORRECT?
12:48:09PM THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN AGREEMENT.
12:48:11PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IT EXISTS BUT IT CANNOT BE SPENT UNLESS THE
12:48:14PM COUNCIL APPROVES.
12:48:15PM SO THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY CONCERN AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
12:48:18PM >> WE HAVE AN EXISTING CONTRACT, AND THE SCOPE OF THAT

12:48:26PM CONTRACT, THE MONEY UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN
12:48:29PM APPROPRIATED, SO THAT EXISTS, AND WHAT YOU ARE BEING ASKED
12:48:33PM TO ACT ON, POTENTIALLY ACT UPON TODAY, IS AN AMENDMENT TO
12:48:37PM THAT CONTRACT, AND POTENTIALLY SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY GOING
12:48:40PM INTO THAT CONTRACT.
12:48:42PM YOU CAN SAY NO TO THE AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT, AND NO TO
12:48:45PM THE ADDITIONAL MONEY GOING TOWARD IT, BUT THE EXISTING
12:48:47PM CONTRACT AND THE EXISTING APPROPRIATIONS STANDS.
12:48:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MASSEY, WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
12:48:53PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: MORRIS MASSEY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
12:48:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:49:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:49:02PM YES, AND WHAT MR. MASSEY SAID IT MAKES SENSE.
12:49:04PM THE WAY I SEE THIS MOTION, IT'S CITY COUNCIL PUSHING BACK IN
12:49:09PM TERMS OF STATING A POSITION, AND WHATNOT.
12:49:12PM AND WANTING, I GUESS, SIGNIFICANT OVERHAUL IN THIS ENDS UP
12:49:21PM COMING BACK TO US.
12:49:22PM THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.
12:49:23PM I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. MASSEY SAID.
12:49:25PM BUT, YEAH, I MEAN, AND IF IT DOES, AND THIS IS SOMETHING
12:49:31PM AGAIN THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY BUT IT'S CERTAINLY
12:49:34PM INCUMBENT UPON US ALL BUT ESPECIALLY TO THE ADMINISTRATION
12:49:37PM TO HOW SHALL I SAY, BUILD A BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER.
12:49:41PM THERE YOU GO.
12:49:42PM THANK YOU.

12:49:42PM >> SECOND.
12:49:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 5 AND 6 TOGETHER.
12:49:53PM MADAM CLERK, AS A DENIAL THEN.
12:49:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO DENY.
12:49:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
12:50:02PM HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:50:05PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:50:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO CLARIFY.
12:50:13PM I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I DON'T WANT TO FUND THIS ANYMORE.
12:50:20PM TO ME THIS IS IT.
12:50:23PM THIS IS DONE. IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE WILL
12:50:26PM DEAL WITH IN THE A DIFFERENT WAY.
12:50:28PM SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE APPROVING ANY MORE FUNDING FOR PURE AS
12:50:33PM IT STANDS, AND TO ME, THAT IS CLOSING IT.
12:50:37PM I UNDERSTAND LEGALLY IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT TO ME IT'S
12:50:40PM A CLOSURE.
12:50:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNSEL?
12:50:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AN EXISTING
12:50:49PM CONTRACT.
12:50:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
12:50:52PM BUT WHAT I AM SAYING, IN MY VOTE, I AM SAYING NOT ONLY AM I
12:50:57PM DENYING THIS, I AM NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY MORE MONEY FOR
12:51:00PM IT.
12:51:01PM IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE DO SOMETHING
12:51:04PM DIFFERENT.

12:51:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:51:08PM MR. MASSEY, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
12:51:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST MY CLOSURE AND I WON'T SPEAK AGAIN.
12:51:16PM THIS IS AN EXISTING CONTRACT.
12:51:17PM THE PUBLIC WILL NEVER KNOW ALL THE FACTS IF WITH R IF WE SAY
12:51:20PM NO.
12:51:21PM AM I RIGHT OR WRONG?
12:51:27PM THIS CONTRACT IS STOPPED.
12:51:29PM THE PUBLIC WON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE ANSWERS
12:51:32PM WE NEED TO SAY "YES" OR "NO."
12:51:33PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: AGAIN THE EXISTING CONTRACT STATES THE
12:51:37PM MONEYS IN THAT CONTRACT WILL BE USED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
12:51:41PM FOR THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY, INCLUDING THE ONES YOU ADDED,
12:51:45PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:51:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:51:48PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE AMENDMENT FOR ADDITIONAL MONEYS IS BEING
12:51:50PM DENIED.
12:51:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN OTHER WORDS, THIS CONTRACT IS STAYED
12:51:58PM AND WE GET THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED, RIGHT?
12:52:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE NOT GIVING THEM ANY MORE MONEY.
12:52:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
12:52:06PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
12:52:08PM THANK YOU.
12:52:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
12:52:14PM THANK YOU.

12:52:15PM MR. REMER.
12:52:17PM MR. BAIRD.
12:52:19PM MS. DUNCAN.
12:52:21PM MR. WEBER.
12:52:23PM YOU WORKED VERY HARD AT THIS, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
12:52:26PM AS I WAS TOLD, THAT THIS TYPE OF WATER USE WAS NOT POTABLE
12:52:39PM RECLAIMED WATER WAS EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE DONE BUILT CITY
12:52:42PM OF TAMPA.
12:52:44PM HOWEVER, SENATE BILL 64 CAME ALONG AND FORCED OUR HAND.
12:52:54PM MADE US RUSH INTO IT.
12:52:58PM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AGAIN, I HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AND
12:53:01PM OVER, AND I WILL KEEP ON SAYING IT, CONTACT YOUR LEGISLATORS
12:53:07PM IN TALLAHASSEE AND TELL THEM THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT THEY
12:53:12PM ARE DOING TO LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES AND CITIES, BECAUSE OUR
12:53:19PM HAND ARE BEING FORCED.
12:53:23PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:53:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:53:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:53:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:53:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:53:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:53:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:53:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:53:35PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:53:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE -- NO, WE HAVE ONE.

12:53:48PM AND I KNOW IT'S 1:00 NOW.
12:54:02PM OKAY.
12:54:02PM 2:00.
12:54:03PM WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 2:00.
12:54:05PM (MEETING IN RECESS)
12:54:10PM
2:02:15PM (ROLL CALL)
2:03:33PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:03:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO BE
2:03:37PM TAKING AGENDA ITEM 106 FIRST.
2:03:45PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: DEPUTY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
2:03:47PM REAL QUICKLY BEFORE STAFF MAKES ITS PRESENTATION, THIS IS
2:03:50PM JUST A REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND
2:03:54PM MOTIONS THAT COUNCIL MADE AT THE FIRST BUDGET PUBLIC
2:03:58PM HEARING.
2:03:58PM BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS SUBJECT TO A VERY STRICT PUBLIC
2:04:02PM HEARING REQUIREMENT, UNDER STATE LAW, THIS LODE BODY SHOULD
2:04:05PM BE TAKING NO ACTION ON THE BUDGET ITSELF AT ALL TODAY.
2:04:09PM YOU CAN GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY
2:04:12PM MOTIONS MADE, THE ONLY MOTION I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO MAKE,
2:04:17PM AND LET ME EXPLAIN THIS REAL QUICKLY, RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU
2:04:20PM ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET
2:04:25PM ON THE MILLAGE RATE, YOU SCHEDULED IT FOR 5:01 P.M.
2:04:29PM WE HAVE ALSO SCHEDULED THE CRA BUDGET HEARING AT 5:01 P.M.
2:04:33PM IN CONSULTATION WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE THEY

2:04:36PM SUGGESTED THAT WE HAVE TWO DISTINCT TIMES FOR THOSE
2:04:39PM HEARINGS.
2:04:39PM AND SO WE HAVE ADVERTISED CITY BUDGET HEARING FOR 6:00 P.M.
2:04:44PM THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE NOW.
2:04:46PM IT'S ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER.
2:04:48PM SO THE ONLY MOTION IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE IS A
2:04:51PM MOTION TO CONFORM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
2:04:55PM THE ORIGINAL MOTION YOU MADE, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, THE
2:04:57PM SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:01 P.M., TO SET UP NOW AT
2:05:00PM 6:00 P.M. CONSISTENT WITH THE ADVERTISEMENTS MADE BY THE
2:05:04PM CITY.
2:05:04PM OTHER THAN THAT, THERE SHOULD BE NO ACTION TAKEN IN
2:05:07PM CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUDGET TODAY.
2:05:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TO CRA FOR CITY BUDGET.
2:05:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
2:05:22PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:05:23PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:05:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:05:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:05:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:05:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
2:05:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:05:32PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK AND
2:05:35PM CARLSON BEING ABSENT.
2:05:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE THE CRA AT 5:01 AND THE CITY

2:05:47PM BUDGET AT 6:00 P.M.
2:05:49PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YES, SIR.
2:05:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE YOU START LET THE RECORD REFLECT
2:05:53PM THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WON'T BE JOINING US THIS AFTERNOON.
2:06:00PM MR. ROGERO.
2:06:01PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
2:06:04PM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
2:06:06PM OF COURSE, AT THE SEPTEMBER 6th FIRST PUBLIC HEARING,
2:06:09PM COUNCIL HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
2:06:11PM WE HAVE THOSE ANSWERS FOR YOU TODAY.
2:06:13PM WE ARE ALSO PREPARED TO DISCUSS OUR OWN EFFORTS WITH
2:06:17PM DEPARTMENTS TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL FUNDING AGAIN AS COUNCIL
2:06:21PM REQUESTED.
2:06:21PM IF I MAY BEGIN ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED, IF I
2:06:25PM COULD HAVE THE ELMO UP, PLEASE.
2:06:34PM COUNCIL WILL RECALL YOU ASKED FOR A LONGER HISTORY OF OUR
2:06:40PM AVAILABLE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE THAN WE HAVE PROVIDED.
2:06:43PM WE HAVE TAKEN IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2004, AND QUITE A BIT
2:06:47PM OF VARIATION ASSOCIATED WITH PRIMARILY TWO THINGS, THE GREAT
2:06:52PM RECESSION, OF COURSE, RIGHT BEFORE WHICH WE HAD REACHED A
2:06:55PM HIGH OF 37% IN OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
2:07:00PM AND IT'S A GOOD THING WE DID.
2:07:02PM A NUMBER OF FACTORS ADVERSELY IMPACTED US DURING AND
2:07:08PM FOLLOWING THE GREAT RECESSION.
2:07:11PM YOU SEE IN 2010, 37%, ABOUT $140 MILLION, WE HAD AMENDMENT 1

2:07:18PM PASSED AT THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL, SEVERELY IMPACTING OUR
2:07:22PM REVENUES, COMPELLING US TO LOWER OUR MILLAGE RATE, WE HAD
2:07:27PM VALUATION DECREASES ASSOCIATED WITH THE GREAT RECESSION FOR
2:07:30PM A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE WE DIDN'T PLANE OUT
2:07:35PM IF YOU WILL TO WHAT IS NOW OUR TYPICAL MEASURE TILL ABOUT
2:07:38PM 2014 OR 24%.
2:07:40PM THAT IS THE LEVEL THAT WE REMAIN COMFORTABLE AT.
2:07:44PM 23, 24, 23, ET CETERA.
2:07:48PM IN 2020 AND 2021, AGAIN YOU CAN SEE A SPIKE IN OUR
2:07:53PM PERCENTAGES.
2:07:54PM 28% AND 27%.
2:07:59PM ALL THE FEDERAL FUNDING THAT ACCOMPANIED THE COVID PANDEMIC.
2:08:03PM MUCH OF IT FOUND ITS WAY INTO THE GENERAL FUND, THE AMERICAN
2:08:06PM RESCUE PLAN.
2:08:07PM THAT IS A VERY BIG PORTION OF IT.
2:08:09PM SO BY DESIGN, OUR FUND BALANCE INCREASED, AND WE ALLOCATED
2:08:13PM AND CONTINUED TO ALLOCATE THAT FUNDING, BRINGING DOWN THE
2:08:17PM BALANCE TO 24 AND 23% ON THE FAR RIGHT YOU SEE HERE.
2:08:23PM SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE EBBS AND FLOWS, AT THE VERY
2:08:28PM BEGINNING WE WERE WELL UNDER NOT ONLY OUR TYPICAL PERCENTAGE
2:08:31PM NOW, BUT INDEED OUR POLICY OF 20%.
2:08:36PM ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER ABOUT OUR FUND BALANCE
2:08:39PM HISTORY?
2:08:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SEEING NONE.
2:08:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.

2:08:47PM NEXT, COUNCIL HAD ALSO ASKED ABOUT OUR OUTSTANDING DEBT BY
2:08:54PM FISCAL YEAR.
2:08:55PM AGAIN YOU ASKED FOR A LONGER HISTORY THAN WE PROVIDED AT THE
2:09:02PM SEPTEMBER 6th PUBLIC HEARING.
2:09:04PM HERE WE HAVE TAKEN IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2000.
2:09:07PM A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE, IF YOU SEE THAT THE GENERAL
2:09:10PM GOVERNMENT IN BLUE STAYED PRETTY STEADY FOR ALMOST THE
2:09:14PM ENTIRETY OF THIS HISTORY YOU SEE HERE.
2:09:17PM IT BEGAN TO GO UP IN FISCAL YEAR 21 AND 22 ESPECIALLY IN
2:09:21PM FISCAL YEAR 22, THE HANNA AVENUE PROJECT, STORMWATER BONDS,
2:09:26PM AGAIN WILL BE COMING TO YOU LATER WITH SOME MORE STORMWATER
2:09:29PM BOND ACTIONS.
2:09:31PM AND THE ENTERPRISE FUND, A LITTLE BIT OF UPS AND DOWNS BUT
2:09:35PM YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNIFICANT SPIKE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
2:09:37PM YEARS ASSOCIATED, BUT OVERWHELMINGLY WITH THE PIPES PROGRAM.
2:09:41PM ALMOST $800 MILLION WORTH OF ENTERPRISE DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH
2:09:45PM THAT PROGRAM.
2:09:46PM AND AGAIN, MORE TO COME, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
2:09:52PM MORE.
2:09:53PM CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS?
2:09:57PM THANK YOU.
2:10:11PM COUNCIL HAD ALSO ASKED ABOUT OUR HISTORY OF NEGOTIATED PAY
2:10:16PM INCREASES AND OUR INFLATION RATE.
2:10:18PM AND YOU SEE THAT HERE FOR ABOUT A 20-YEAR STAND FROM 2002 TO
2:10:24PM 2021.

2:10:25PM AS YOU HEARD THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAY, OVERALL WE HAVE A VERY
2:10:29PM GOOD HISTORY OF MEETING OUR LOCAL INFLATION AND OUR
2:10:34PM NEGOTIATED INCREASES WITH THE UNIONS.
2:10:37PM AND WHEN I SAY OUR LOCAL INFLATION, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS
2:10:40PM IS THE TAMPA METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA.
2:10:43PM THIS IS NOT THE NATIONAL INFLATION.
2:10:46PM FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, THE LOCAL INFLATION IS PERCENTAGE
2:10:49PM POINTS HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL INFLATION.
2:10:51PM I THINK IT'S OVER 11% IN THIS MS HA VERSUS A LITTLE OVER 8%
2:10:56PM NATIONALLY.
2:10:57PM SO BRINGING IT HOME, HERE IS THE HISTORY OF HOW WE HAVE GONE
2:11:01PM HAND IN HAND EACH YEAR WITH NEGOTIATED PAY RAISES.
2:11:06PM THE UP SIDE IS TOWARDS THE END YOU CAN SEE OVER THAT IS
2:11:09PM CORRECT 20-YEAR PERIOD WE HAVE BEEN ONLY ABOUT A PERCENTAGE
2:11:13PM AND A HALF OFF OF WHAT THE CUMULATIVE LOCAL INFLATION WAS
2:11:18PM COMPARED TO THE PAY RAISES THAT WE HAVE NEGOTIATED WITH THE
2:11:22PM UNION.
2:11:24PM OF COURSE, FISCAL YEAR 22, THE RULE BOOK WAS THROWN OUT AND
2:11:28PM IT LOOKS LIKE THE RULE BOOK WILL STAY THROWN OUT FOR FISCAL
2:11:32PM YEAR 23, AND AGAIN AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET AND
2:11:35PM SUBSEQUENT TO OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE COLLECTIVE
2:11:38PM BARGAINING AGENCIES, WE HAVE THE 9.5% FOR THE UNION MEMBERS
2:11:43PM AND THEN THE VARIOUS PERCENTAGE FOR THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES
2:11:45PM THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
2:11:47PM SO A VERY GOOD HISTORY AND WE ARE TRYING TO CONTINUE THAT

2:11:50PM HISTORY WITH THESE EXTRAORDINARY NEGOTIATED PERCENTAGES
2:11:57PM RIGHT NOW.
2:11:58PM CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ABOUT THIS?
2:12:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE CONTINUE.
2:12:04PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.
2:12:10PM THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE TOOK FROM THE SEPTEMBER
2:12:26PM 6th MEETING.
2:12:27PM AGAIN, COUNCIL HAD ASKED THAT THE RESPONSES IF WE CAN BE PUT
2:12:33PM INTO A VISUAL FORMAT.
2:12:34PM IT'S USER FRIENDLY FOR THE LAY PERSON AND OF COURSE IT HELPS
2:12:38PM US TOO.
2:12:39PM IF I CAN NOW SPEAK TO OUR ONGOING EFFORTS WITH THE
2:12:42PM DEPARTMENTS IN TRYING TO FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDING AS COUNCIL
2:12:45PM REQUESTED.
2:12:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ABSOLUTELY.
2:12:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: EXCELLENT.
2:12:50PM THANK YOU.
2:12:51PM I HAVE HEARD US SAY BEFORE AND WE'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THIS IS A
2:12:55PM VERY, VERY TIGHT RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
2:12:57PM THE TOLERANCES HAVE VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT
2:13:01PM REPRIORITIZING WHAT'S CONTAINED WITHIN THE RECOMMENDED
2:13:04PM BUDGET.
2:13:05PM IT'S A TIGHT BUDGET.
2:13:07PM A GREAT EXAMPLE AND WE ARE WORKING IT IS THE 5.5 MILLION OF
2:13:11PM SOLID WASTE REVENUE REPLACEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMERICAN

2:13:14PM RESCUE PLAN ACT.
2:13:15PM WE HAVE HEARD COUNCIL'S REPRIORITIZATION OF THAT FUNDING AND
2:13:19PM WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR IT IN THE HOUSING CATEGORY.
2:13:23PM AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, WE ARE REALLY
2:13:26PM ATTACKING IT FROM THREE, MAYBE EVEN FOUR DIFFERENT LEVELS.
2:13:30PM THE FIRST LEVEL OF COURSE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE
2:13:33PM GENERAL FUND ARE PAY INCREASES AND STAFFING INCREASES.
2:13:37PM THAT IS THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF WHAT WE CAN WORK WITH
2:13:40PM IN THE GENERAL FUND, AND AGAIN WITH NINE AND A HALF
2:13:44PM NEGOTIATED INCREASES FOR THE BARGAINING AGENCIES, AND THE
2:13:47PM MANY, MANY ADDITIONAL POSITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER
2:13:52PM MAINTAINING SERVICES OR IN SOME INSTANCES EXPANDING
2:13:54PM SERVICES.
2:13:56PM THAT'S WHERE ANY FUNDING FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE WOULD HAVE TO
2:13:59PM COME.
2:14:01PM WE DON'T IMAGINE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF HEADWAY IN
2:14:03PM THAT REVIEW, BUT WE ARE REVIEWING IT.
2:14:09PM ON A RELATED NOTE, THE SECOND LEVEL, THE OPERATING EXPENSE
2:14:13PM INCREASES.
2:14:13PM AGAIN THESE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SERVICES AND TOUCH THE
2:14:17PM PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES, TRANSPORTATION, CONSTRUCTION
2:14:20PM SERVICES, FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, AS WE GO THROUGH THOSE
2:14:24PM INCREASES FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, WHAT
2:14:29PM WILL BE THE IMPACT ON SERVICES?
2:14:31PM SOME OF THESE WERE AGAIN TO MAINTAIN EXISTING SERVICES IN

2:14:35PM THE FACE OF INCREASING DEMANDS.
2:14:37PM SOME OF THEM ARE TO EXPAND EXISTING SERVICES BECAUSE WE HAVE
2:14:41PM HEARD THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE HEARD THE PUBLIC.
2:14:43PM SO AS WE LOOK THROUGH THERE, AND AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF
2:14:47PM THAT OUR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS.
2:14:49PM YOU WILL RECALL IN TOTAL WE PUT $30 MILLION IN THE CURRENT
2:14:53PM FISCAL YEAR TOWARDS VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS.
2:14:55PM WE HAVE IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET ANOTHER ADDITIONAL $30
2:15:00PM MILLION.
2:15:01PM AS WE DISCUSSED, WE RELY HEAVILY ON THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT
2:15:07PM TAX, THE CIT, FOR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS.
2:15:10PM WE ARE STILL BEHIND ON VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS FROM THE GREAT
2:15:14PM RECESSION, AND OF COURSE THE CIT IS GOING AWAY.
2:15:18PM FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, A PLANNING AND FORECAST
2:15:21PM PERSPECTIVE IT WILL BE GONE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.
2:15:23PM SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE DIFFICULT DISCUSSIONS WE ARE HAVING
2:15:26PM BEFORE WE BRING YOU OPTIONS FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING ON THE
2:15:31PM 20th.
2:15:33PM FINALLY, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
2:15:36PM AS WE DISCUSSED AND WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW IT INTERNALLY AND
2:15:40PM DISCUSS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
2:15:42PM DIFFERENT FACETS WE NEED TO LOOK AT FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
2:15:45PM FIRST AND FOREMOST, CAN THE REVENUE FOR THOSE PROJECTS BE
2:15:49PM USED FOR HOUSING?
2:15:50PM OKAY.

2:15:52PM A SIGNIFICANT PROPORTION CANNOT, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
2:15:57PM SECONDLY, ARE THERE BALANCES IN THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE
2:16:00PM FUNDED FROM REVENUES THAT WE CAN APPLY TO HOUSING?
2:16:04PM IF THERE'S NO BALANCE, WELL, THAT CAN'T BE CONSIDERED.
2:16:07PM THAT OF COURSE HAS LET THE BOND. IF THERE IS A BALANCE THEN
2:16:11PM WE NEED TO DECIDE, WHEEL WELL, WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT TAKING
2:16:16PM THAT BALANCE HAVE ON THE PROJECT?
2:16:18PM WILL IT CRIPPLE THE PROJECT FROM A PERFORMANCE, FROM A GOAL
2:16:22PM PERSPECTIVE?
2:16:23PM WILL IT REQUIRE THE PROJECT TO BE SPACED OUT OVER TIME, FOR
2:16:27PM INSTANCE?
2:16:28PM OR CAN IT BE DONE, AND AS WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTS' PROJECT
2:16:35PM AND WHERE WE THINK IT WILL END UP, DOES THIS REALLY LOOK
2:16:38PM LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE BONA FIDE SURPLUS FUNDING THAT WE CAN
2:16:41PM USE ELSEWHERE?
2:16:42PM SO AGAIN WE ARE ATTACKING IT FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
2:16:45PM LEVELS.
2:16:45PM WE HAVE THE FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN SOLID WASTE,
2:16:49PM ARPA FUNDING, AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL HAS
2:16:54PM REQUESTED.
2:16:55PM AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NOW.
2:16:57PM WE CAN ALSO COME BACK, OF COURSE, BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND
2:17:01PM PUBLIC HEARING.
2:17:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO QUESTIONS REASONING ROGERO THANK YOU,
2:17:12PM COUNCIL.

2:17:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:17:13PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:17:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANTED, MR. SHELBY, THE DISCUSSION THAT
2:17:21PM WEIGHED YESTERDAY REGARDING THE SEPARATE VOTE ON
2:17:26PM MODIFICATION OF ANY SALARIES, IT IS YOUR OPINION -- STRIKE
2:17:30PM THAT.
2:17:30PM THE 6.06 FOR TUESDAY.
2:17:35PM THAT'S ALL.
2:17:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY YOUR QUESTION
2:17:38PM WAS WHETHER YOU CAN HAVE A SEPARATE VOTE TO HAVE THE PAY
2:17:41PM INCREASE?
2:17:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:17:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF A MOTION
2:17:47PM IS MADE AND A SECOND IS MADE YOU COULD HAVE A SECOND VOTE.
2:17:51PM I THINK IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE VOTE ON THE PAY INCREASES --
2:17:56PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT MAY BE
2:17:59PM HELPFUL ON THIS QUESTION.
2:18:00PM THE BUDGET ITSELF, THE SALARY OF CITY COUNCIL IS THE SAME AS
2:18:03PM IT WAS AS IT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN IN THE BUDGET.
2:18:10PM THE DOES BUDGET DOES FUNDS LATER IN THE YEAR THAT YOU SHOULD
2:18:15PM DETERMINE YOU THINK INCREASE IN SALARY IS APPROPRIATE, THEN
2:18:19PM AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
2:18:22PM RESOLUTION TO ADDRESS THE SALARY WHICH WOULD COME TO COUNCIL
2:18:25PM FOR A FULL VOTE.
2:18:26PM BUT BY APPROVING THE BUDGET YOU ARE NOT APPROVING AN

2:18:29PM INCREASE IN YOUR SALARY.
2:18:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, SIR, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO
2:18:33PM HIGHLIGHT.
2:18:33PM AND THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY, AND MR. SHELBY, FOR YOUR WORK IN
2:18:38PM THAT REGARD.
2:18:39PM THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
2:18:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: INCREASE OF THE FEES TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
2:18:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. GUDES, I AM TRYING TO DIGEST IT.
2:18:54PM LET ME FINISH IF I HEARD WHAT YOU SAY, SIR, IS THAT IN A
2:18:58PM BUDGET SALARY STAYS THE SAME UNTIL THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO
2:19:01PM CHANGE IT, OR MORE THAN LIKELY AFTER THE ELECTION?
2:19:05PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: CORRECT.
2:19:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT A COUNTRY.
2:19:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. ROGERO CAN ANSWER THAT.
2:19:11PM THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR ALL THE SALARIES LOCATED IN THE BUDGET,
2:19:14PM IS IT?
2:19:16PM >> NO.
2:19:18PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE CHARTER REQUIRES -- AND THEN I WILL
2:19:20PM LET MR. ROGERO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET.
2:19:24PM WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS IN SECTION 6.06 THAT SAYS THAT ANY
2:19:30PM ADJUSTMENT IN THE SALARY OF OFFICIALS, WHICH YOU ARE AND THE
2:19:33PM MAYOR ARE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE CITY, WOULD REQUIRE A
2:19:36PM RESOLUTION OR VOTE, AT LEAST RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND
2:19:40PM THEN A MAJORITY VOTE BY THIS BODY IN ORDER TO AFFECT THOSE
2:19:44PM CHANGES.

2:19:44PM I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED WAS WHETHER THERE WAS,
2:19:47PM GIVEN THE DISCUSSION OF A FAIRLY LARGE ESSENTIAL INCREASE IN
2:19:51PM THE SALARY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER THAT WOULD BAKE
2:19:56PM INTO THE BUDGET.
2:19:57PM THAT AMOUNT IS NOT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING -- MONEY IN THE
2:20:01PM BUDGET SET HAY SIDE THAT IF AT A LATER TIME YOU DO WANT TO
2:20:05PM DO THAT, IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED, BUT OUR CHARTER REQUIRES
2:20:09PM THAT THE SALARY OF ALL EMPLOYEES AND OFFICERS BE LISTED IN
2:20:13PM THE BUDGET, AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE BUDGET BOOK AND LOOK
2:20:17PM AT THE SALARIES, THE SALARY AMOUNT FOR YOU ALL I THINK IS
2:20:21PM THE SAME EXCEPT MAYBE A 3% GPI.
2:20:25PM THAT MAY BE IN THERE.
2:20:31PM SO YOU WOULD VOTE ON IT IF YOU ALL -- IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON
2:20:36PM IT THURSDAY, I GUESS THE RESOLUTION COULD BE PREPARED.
2:20:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MAKE A MOTION WE VOTE ON IT THURSDAY.
2:20:44PM GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
2:20:46PM LET'S GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
2:20:47PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YOU WOULD LIKE THAT --
2:20:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S IN THE BUDGET, THEN WE VOTE ON IT AND
2:20:54PM GET IT OUT OF THE WAY AND NOT PLAY GAMES IN A POLITICAL TYPE
2:20:59PM OF SITUATION.
2:21:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH THAT.
2:21:01PM AND I AM NOT AGAINST RAISES, BUT I AM NOT FOR 42% RAISE. IF
2:21:07PM THAT'S IN THE BUDGET, 42%?
2:21:11PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.

2:21:12PM IF I CAN CLARIFY.
2:21:13PM THE FUNDING THAT IS IN THE CITY COUNCIL DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR
2:21:16PM PAY INCREASES IS AS IT IS NOW.
2:21:19PM ANY INCREASE WHETHER IT'S THE 3% OR AN OUT OF THE ORDINARY
2:21:23PM INCREASE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEING HELD IN A SPECIAL
2:21:26PM RESERVE, SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO PURSUE.
2:21:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND WORK TO GET A POT OF MONEY THAT
2:21:33PM $72,000 TIMES 7, OR 140 SOME THOUSAND, WHATEVER.
2:21:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
2:21:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I WILL BE VOTING
2:21:45PM AGAINST THE WHOLE BUDGET.
2:21:46PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:21:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD.
2:21:50PM I'M SORRY, OTHER QUESTIONS?
2:21:51PM >> RELATIVE TO BRINGING FORWARD A RESOLUTION, WE COULD BRING
2:21:58PM IT FORWARD ON THAT THURSDAY.
2:22:01PM I WILL TELL YOU TYPICALLY THE WAY WE HANDLE CHANGES TO THE
2:22:03PM BUDGET, WHICH THIS WOULD BE, IS THAT IF YOU ALL MAKE A
2:22:07PM MOTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CHANGE MADE TO THE
2:22:10PM BUDGET, THAT'S USUALLY BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL THE VERY
2:22:14PM FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED.
2:22:16PM THE REASON BEING IS THAT THE BUDGET THAT'S PUBLISHED ONLINE,
2:22:19PM WE HAVE A VERY COMPLICATED BUDGET.
2:22:21PM I MEAN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S A THOUSAND PAGES PLUS.
2:22:25PM SO WHEN YOU START ADJUSTING FIGURES AND LINE ITEMS, IT'S

2:22:28PM VERY DIFFICULT TO DO ON THE FLY, SO WE TYPICALLY APPROVE THE
2:22:32PM BUDGET AS IS AND THEN WE BRING FORWARD AT THE VERY NEXT
2:22:35PM MEETING ANY CHANGES THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE
2:22:37PM BUDGET.
2:22:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MR. MASSEY, WE CAN MAKE THAT MOTION
2:22:41PM TODAY OR --
2:22:42PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY WOULD MAYBE WANT TO
2:22:45PM SAVE THAT FOR THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
2:22:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE THE
2:22:52PM MOTION AND GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND LET'S NOT PLAY
2:22:55PM POLITICS WITH IT.
2:22:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FORGIVE ME AGAIN.
2:23:02PM I DIDN'T GET MY E-MAILS FROM MY INTERNET UNTIL TUESDAY
2:23:06PM AFTERNOON.
2:23:06PM AND I AM CURIOUS AS TO HOW IT WOULD BE PHRASED, BECAUSE IS
2:23:11PM IT SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION --
2:23:17PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I GUESS WHAT I AM HEARING, THE DECISION
2:23:20PM WOULD BE DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THE BUDGET SO THERE'S NO MONEY
2:23:24PM IN YOUR FUND AVAILABLE FOR ANY INCREASE THIS CALENDAR YEAR?
2:23:28PM IF NOT, THEN YOU WOULD LEAVE THE BUDGET THAT WAY, AND THEN
2:23:31PM YOU COULD CONSIDER POTENTIALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU
2:23:34PM COULD POTENTIALLY CONSIDER INCREASE LATER.
2:23:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME ASK YOU, IF IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET
2:23:40PM NOW, HOW WOULD IT OTHERWISE GET INTO THE BUDGET?
2:23:44PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THERE'S FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE CITY

2:23:45PM COUNCIL BUDGET FOR FUTURE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS, BUT THE SALARY
2:23:49PM THAT'S BEING APPROVED IS EXACTLY THE SAME SALARY, AS
2:23:53PM APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET, THERE'S NO CHANGE --
2:23:56PM >> A SEPARATE LINE THEN FOR THAT MONEY?
2:23:59PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YES.
2:24:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
2:24:03PM >> IT'S SITTING IN A TRUE RESERVE SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A
2:24:08PM FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
2:24:11PM IT WOULD REQUIRE A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION TO MOVE THE FUNDING
2:24:13PM FROM A SPECIAL RESERVE TO A PERSONNEL -- TO THE PERSONNEL
2:24:17PM SECTIONS.
2:24:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN DO THAT ON THURSDAY.
2:24:29PM [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:24:42PM TOLD BY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, THE ADMINISTRATION CAN DEAL
2:24:44PM WITH IT BY RESEARCHING ALL OTHER CITIES, AND IT'S COME BACK
2:24:50PM THAT WE ARE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
2:24:52PM AGAIN, YOU DON'T KNOW, ANYBODY WANTS TO DO WITH THEIR MONEY
2:24:57PM IS FINE BUT I THINK WEE IT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH.
2:25:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:25:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NEITHER DO I.
2:25:03PM I'M SORRY THE PUBLIC HAD TO LISTEN DO ALL OF THIS.
2:25:05PM I KNOW YOU HAVE THINGS ON THE CALENDAR TO DO.
2:25:08PM IT'S NOT -- I AM NOT AGAINST RAISES.
2:25:10PM BUT WHEN YOU GIVE SOMEBODY, WHAT IS IT, 42% INCREASE,
2:25:15PM THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.

2:25:16PM AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CITIES, BECAUSE
2:25:18PM I KNOW THAT ST. PETE, ORLANDO AND MIAMI ARE COMPARABLE TO
2:25:23PM WHAT WE PAY.
2:25:24PM I THINK ONE AT 58, ONE AT 62.
2:25:28PM SO THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
2:25:30PM BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS
2:25:32PM WHAT WE ARE DOING.
2:25:33PM WE ARE GIVING OURSELVES A RAISE OF 42%, WHICH NOBODY GETS,
2:25:39PM NONE.
2:25:40PM THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
2:25:41PM THANK YOU.
2:25:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CLARIFY.
2:25:45PM THAT WE ARE NOT GIVING OURSELVES.
2:25:46PM WE ARE VOTING ON THAT.
2:25:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
2:25:51PM >> I'LL VOTE AGAINST IT.
2:25:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF?
2:25:57PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WE DID ANALYSIS AS MR. ROGERO AND MR.
2:26:00PM MASSEY SAID.
2:26:01PM THERE'S MONEY IN THE PERSONNEL BUDGET, BUT NOT IN YOUR
2:26:04PM BUDGET FOR AN INCREASE.
2:26:07PM IDEALLY, ON TUESDAY, IF THERE IS A SEPARATE VOTE, I THINK
2:26:11PM THERE'S FOUR OPTIONS TO CONSIDER.
2:26:13PM THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE CLARITY.
2:26:16PM FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE

2:26:18PM ANALYSIS THAT WE GAVE, AS ONE OPTION.
2:26:21PM YOU CAN ALTER THAT AS A SECOND OPTION, MEANING INSTEAD OF
2:26:25PM THIS PERCENTAGE, IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE.
2:26:28PM YOU COULD DENY THE INCREASE COMPLETELY, OR YOU COULD DELAY
2:26:31PM THE INCREASE AND STILL ADJUST THE NUMBER.
2:26:34PM SO THE POINT IS, WE DID AN ANALYSIS, WE PUT IT IN THERE.
2:26:38PM IT IS NOT IN YOUR BUDGET TODAY, IT'S NOT IN THERE TODAY.
2:26:42PM IF YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET AS IS, AS CHIEF ROGERO SAID, IT
2:26:45PM WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO BRING IT IN.
2:26:48PM IT'S SIMPLY A PLACEHOLDER BASED ON THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID,
2:26:52PM THAT WE THOUGHT WAS FAIR AND EQUITABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO
2:26:56PM YOUR OWN.
2:26:56PM WE HAD TO DO IT FOR YOU IN RESPONSE TO THE ECONOMY, AND SO
2:27:01PM IT CAN BE DECIDED TO DELAY IT, TO THIN IT DOWN, TO DENY IT,
2:27:06PM OR TO ACCEPT IT.
2:27:07PM AND THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS THAT I SEE FOR COUNCIL.
2:27:11PM AND IF YOU JUST STICK WITH THE BUDGET, IT COULD JUST BE YES
2:27:14PM OR NO.
2:27:14PM OR DELAY, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THROTTLE IT DOWN FROM THE 42%
2:27:20PM TO SOMETHING MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING ON
2:27:22PM TODAY.
2:27:23PM THAT'S FINE.
2:27:24PM THAT WAS NOT A RAISE.
2:27:24PM THAT WAS A MARKET ANALYSIS.
2:27:26PM I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

2:27:27PM YOU HAVE A MARKET ANALYSIS AND YOU HAVE AN INCREASE.
2:27:31PM THE EMPHASIS HAS BEEN BUDGETED FOR THIS LEVEL OF THE
2:27:33PM ORGANIZATION, THE ELECTIVES WAS 3% WHICH WILL TAKE EFFECT ON
2:27:38PM MAY 1.
2:27:39PM SO THE ONLY REAL INCREASE WAS THE 3%.
2:27:41PM THE MARKET ANALYSIS WAS DONE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE
2:27:45PM WORK THAT WE DID, AND WE JUST PUT THAT PLACEHOLDER IN THE
2:27:47PM RESERVES.
2:27:48PM AGAIN IT CAN BE DENIED, IT CAN BE MODIFIED, IT CAN BE
2:27:52PM DELAYED, COMPLETELY, OR IT COULD BE ACCEPTED.
2:27:54PM SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS I SEE ON TUESDAY.
2:27:57PM THANK YOU.
2:27:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO WE GET ON WITH CITY BUSINESS.
2:28:04PM THANK YOU.
2:28:05PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:28:07PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:28:12PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:28:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ON TUESDAY.
2:28:19PM AS I SAID, LET'S GET ON TO CITY BUSINESS.
2:28:21PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
2:28:23PM S SHALL WE OPEN 7 AND 8 TOGETHER?
2:28:29PM >> YES.
2:28:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NUMBER 7 AND 8 WHICH WILL BE T-22-771994
2:28:36PM AND T-22-77214.
2:28:39PM >>BRAD BAIRD: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

2:28:43PM I'M HERE WITH APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT THAT PROVIDES FOR
2:28:49PM GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH
2:28:52PM STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, SOUTHEAST REGION.
2:28:58PM THE PROJECT AMOUNT IS 55.3 MILLION TO KIMMINS CONTRACTING
2:29:04PM CORPORATION.
2:29:05PM THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF CONSTRUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 10,000
2:29:08PM LINEAR FEET OF BOX CULVERT, PIPES, LATERALS, INLETS, AND
2:29:13PM CONNECTIONS, AND A REGIONAL POND.
2:29:18PM AND IT INCLUDES PASSIVE PARK AMENITIES, INCLUDING A TRAIL,
2:29:23PM AND ASSOCIATED UTILITY CONSTRUCTION, AND ALSO INCLUDES 3.8
2:29:29PM MILLION IN WATER LINE REPLACEMENT.
2:29:33PM THE EBO SUBCONTRACT GOAL AS CALCULATED BY THE CITY'S GOAL
2:29:40PM COMMITTEE IS 8%, FOR UNDERUTILIZED WMBE AND SLBE COMBINED.
2:29:47PM THAT BREAKDOWN IS 4 PERCENT BBE, AND 4% SLBE.
2:29:53PM HOWEVER, KIMMINS HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO EXCEED THAT GOAL,
2:29:57PM AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN.
2:30:02PM I DO HAVE JOHN SAMINA HERE WITH KIMMINS WHO IS THEIR VICE
2:30:08PM PRESIDENT, AND VIRTUALLY, I HAVE GREGORY HART HERE FOR
2:30:12PM SUPPORT IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS IN EITHER OF THOSE AREAS,
2:30:15PM CONSTRUCTION AND EBO.
2:30:20PM YOU ALL HAVE BEEN BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY BY VIK BHIDE.
2:30:25PM FINALLY, COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS ASKED ME TO WALK THROUGH HOW
2:30:29PM THE GOAL WAS CALCULATED.
2:30:32PM AND I AM PREPARED TO DO THAT AT THE PLEASURE OF CITY
2:30:34PM COUNCIL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

2:30:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES?
2:30:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, PLEASE, BECAUSE AGAIN WHEN I LOOK AT
2:30:44PM THESE DOLLAR NUMBERS, AND I ALWAYS SAY, LET US BE THE ONE
2:30:48PM THAT ASKS.
2:30:48PM I KNOW THERE'S A STRATEGY USED BUT WE SHOULD BE ASKING WHAT
2:30:51PM WE WANT AND THEN LET THOSE CONTRACTS APPLY TO BE ABLE TO
2:30:55PM MESH WITH WHAT WE REALLY WANT.
2:30:57PM HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
2:30:59PM BUT THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT WITH THAT 8%, I GUESS SOME
2:31:04PM MATERIALS AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE JUST CAN'T DO, IF WE JUST
2:31:07PM CAN'T MEET THAT.
2:31:08PM BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT WHY WE
2:31:11PM COULDN'T HAVE A HIGHER EXPECTATION.
2:31:13PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I AM VERY GLAD THAT YOU ASKED US TO DO THAT,
2:31:18PM BECAUSE IT'S A VERY DETAILED AND A LOT OF WORK THAT OUR
2:31:25PM STAFFS GO THROUGH BOTH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION STAFF, THE
2:31:28PM USER DEPARTMENT STAFF, AND THE ECO STAFF, TO PULL THIS ALL
2:31:32PM TOGETHER AND TO SET THAT GOAL.
2:31:35PM I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, BUT IT STARTS WITH THE USER
2:31:39PM DEPARTMENT, AND IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE MOBILITY OR THE
2:31:43PM STORMWATER SECTION OF MOBILITY WOULD PREPARE WHAT'S CALLED A
2:31:48PM PROJECT TASK WORK SHEET, AND THEY WILL WORK WITH THE
2:31:52PM ENGINEERS AS PART OF THE DESIGN BUILD TEAM TO BREAK DOWN
2:31:57PM THOSE TASKS.
2:31:58PM AND THEY WILL BREAK THEM DOWN INTO TASKS THAT THE PRIME

2:32:02PM CONTRACTOR PERFORMS, AND THEN TASKS THAT ARE
2:32:06PM SUBCONTRACTABLE, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, ONCE THAT'S VETTED
2:32:13PM BY BOTH THE ENGINEERING GROUPS, THAT IS TURNED OVER TO
2:32:17PM GREGORY HART'S EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY OFFICE.
2:32:20PM AND HIS STAFF WILL GO THROUGH AND DETERMINE THE AVAILABILITY
2:32:28PM OF CERTAIN EBO FIRMS IN THOSE CATEGORIES.
2:32:33PM FIRMS THAT ARE READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO WORK.
2:32:38PM AND HE DID THAT LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, AND EVEN BREAKS IT
2:32:43PM DOWN INTO AVAILABILITY OF UNDERUTILIZED, AVAILABILITY OF
2:32:46PM SLBEs, AND THEN AVAILABILITY OF WMBEs THAT ARE
2:32:52PM NON-UNDERUTILIZED.
2:32:54PM SO HE COVERS THE WHOLE GAMUT.
2:32:56PM I WOULD LIKE TO READ OFF THOSE SUBCONTRACTING OPPORTUNITIES
2:33:01PM THAT WERE USED IN THIS PROJECT.
2:33:04PM THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM, BUT INCLUDE PUBLIC OUTREACH,
2:33:09PM CALLING, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAYS, BRICK PAVER
2:33:13PM DRIVEWAYS, CONCRETE CURB, SURVEY, MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC,
2:33:17PM ASPHALT PAVING, SIGNING AND PAVING, STRIPING, PIPE SUPPLY,
2:33:23PM TESTING, LANDSCAPING, AND SOD.
2:33:26PM AND SO THEY GO THROUGH THAT.
2:33:28PM THEY CALCULATE THE GOAL.
2:33:29PM THEN THEY HAVE SEVERAL THINGS AT THE END THAT THEY CAN USE
2:33:34PM FOR ADJUSTMENTS, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT.
2:33:38PM AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE FINAL THING TO THAT END,
2:33:42PM AND THAT IS THIS IS LARGE CONCRETE CULVERT THAT IS

2:33:53PM NECESSARY.
2:33:53PM I SAY IT ALMOST TWO MILES WORTH.
2:33:56PM THAT IS A BIG PART OF THIS PROJECT.
2:33:58PM THOSE PRICES HAVE GONE UP, BY THE WAY, ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE
2:34:01PM LARGE BOX CULVERTS.
2:34:02PM AND THAT IS ONE ITEM THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE
2:34:09PM THROUGH THE BLACK BUSINESS ENTERPRISE THAT PROVIDE PIPE
2:34:13PM SUPPLY.
2:34:14PM I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, THAT ON KIMMINS IS CONFIDENT THEY
2:34:17PM CAN EXCEED THIS GOAL FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
2:34:21PM SOME OF THE WATER WORK IS OPEN CUT WITH DUCTAL IRON PIPE,
2:34:26PM AND THAT PIPE IS BEING PROPOSED THROUGH ONE OF THOSE FIRMS.
2:34:32PM AND THEN, ALSO, THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE RECENT DISCUSSIONS
2:34:36PM WITH THOSE FIRMS TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE CONCRETE STRUCTURES,
2:34:41PM NOT THE CULVERTS BUT THE STRUCTURES.
2:34:44PM AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CONFIDENT THEY CAN GET DOUBLE
2:34:47PM DIGITS, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVE DOUBLE DIGITS.
2:34:51PM AND WITH THAT I WILL STOP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
2:34:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:34:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THE DESCRIPTION, THE
2:35:05PM PRESENTATION.
2:35:06PM I APPRECIATE IT.
2:35:07PM I KNOW THE FOLKS SOUTH OF GANDY ARE GOING TO APPRECIATE THIS
2:35:09PM PROJECT WHEN IT'S DONE.
2:35:11PM BUT I OH WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE

2:35:14PM SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON NOW AND
2:35:17PM THE TROUBLE WE HAVE HAD WITH IT.
2:35:19PM AND I AM HOPING THAT WE ARE LEARNING FROM WHAT HAPPENED
2:35:24PM THERE, AND I'M TELLING YOU NOW THAT IF YOU THINK SOUTHEAST
2:35:29PM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, IF YOU HAVE SEEN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IS LOUD,
2:35:32PM JUST WAIT TILL SOUTH OF GANDY HAS ISSUES.
2:35:34PM SO I AM REALLY HOPING THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM WHAT WENT ON TO
2:35:42PM HAVE MORE ROBUST COMMUNICATION, PERSONAL COMMUNICATION, A
2:35:48PM LOT MORE COMMUNICATION, AND THIS THAT WE REALLY FOCUS ON
2:35:52PM TRASH, ON THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS, WITH
2:35:59PM THE PUBLIC, AND THE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP, BUT
2:36:06PM MAINLY COMMUNICATION, THE MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT
2:36:09PM HAPPENS, THAT RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, BECAUSE THIS
2:36:12PM IS GOING TO IMPACT THEM FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
2:36:15PM I KNOW THAT WE WILL ALL BE HAPPY WHEN IT'S OVER, BUT THEY
2:36:18PM STILL HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH IT.
2:36:19PM >> YES, MA'AM.
2:36:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I NOT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BUT I WANT TO
2:36:23PM REITERATE IT ON THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE WE ARE LEARNING
2:36:26PM FROM THOSE AREAS.
2:36:26PM SO I WILL BE LOOKING FOR UPDATES ON THAT, AND I WILL ALSO BE
2:36:30PM ASKING THE FOLKS SOUTH OF GANDY HOW THEIR EXPERIENCE IS
2:36:33PM GOING.
2:36:33PM SO WE WILL STAY ON TOP OF THAT THE WAY WE ARE STAYING ON TOP
2:36:36PM OF THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.

2:36:38PM >>BRAD BAIRD: AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT.
2:36:41PM I CAN GUARANTEE THAT KIMMINS HAS A VERY ROBUST PLAN, AND
2:36:44PM THEY HAVE BEEN KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT OTHER PROJECT, TOO, TO
2:36:47PM MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, A REPEAT OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS
2:36:51PM ADOPT HAPPEN.
2:36:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.
2:36:54PM THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING TO SEE, SO THANK YOU.
2:36:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:37:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS A DIFFERENT CONTRACT.
2:37:04PM THIS IS NOT THE -- THIS STARTS WITH A K AND ATHLETES ONE
2:37:09PM OTHER ONE THAT DOES GREAT WORK, STARTS WITH A V.
2:37:15PM DO FANTASTIC WORK.
2:37:16PM THE OTHER ONE CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
2:37:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M GLAD TO SEE, KIM ANYONE'S MY
2:37:25PM EXPERIENCE, JOHN IS IN THE CROWD, BUT -- THAT WAS A MAJOR
2:37:35PM PROJECT.
2:37:38PM JOHN PICKED UP THE PHONE EVERY SINGLE TIME, WAS RESPONSIVE
2:37:41PM WITHIN 30 MINUTES, AN HOUR.
2:37:43PM WHEN I SAY RESPONSIVE, I AM GOING TO BE OUT ON THE SITE, I
2:37:45PM AM GOING TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE MET OUT THERE, WE
2:37:48PM MET WITH NEIGHBORS, AND WE HAD TO BE WORKING TOGETHER, WE
2:37:52PM TRY TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE.
2:37:55PM IN MY OPINION HAS ALWAYS DONE EXCELLENT WORK AND THAT'S WITH
2:37:59PM ONE ON ONE, LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE, LOOKING AT THE
2:38:02PM BOX CULVERT, TALKING TO JOHN.

2:38:04PM I MEAN, YOU KNOW.
2:38:06PM I CAN'T COMPLAIN.
2:38:09PM A MAJOR PROJECT WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY COMPLAINTS BUT HE
2:38:12PM WAS VERY, VERY RESPONSIVE, AND THINGS WORKED OUT.
2:38:16PM THANK YOU.
2:38:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
2:38:21PM WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
2:38:26PM LET'S JUMP ON IT.
2:38:28PM WE HAVE CITY WORK TO DO.
2:38:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE SHARED THIS IN OUR INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS
2:38:34PM BUT APPROVAL OF THIS AGREEMENT DOES INCORPORATE ABOUT $TAKE
2:38:38PM MILLION WORTH OF DEBT SERVICE THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING TO
2:38:40PM COUNCIL ALONG WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS THAT WE
2:38:43PM TALKED ABOUT, 25 MILLION, AND TO BEGIN WORK, EXPEDITE THIS
2:38:48PM AND GET PAID BACK FROM THE DEBT SERVICE.
2:38:51PM THANK YOU.
2:38:52PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:39:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHICH ONE?
2:39:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE IT.
2:39:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:39:09PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:39:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:39:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:39:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
2:39:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.

2:39:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:39:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:39:19PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:39:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.
2:39:26PM FILE CM 22-75389.
2:39:29PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
2:39:35PM YOU ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE LETTER, THE RESIDENTS RECEIVED
2:39:39PM FOR TIMBERFALLS TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS ANY VIOLATION OF
2:39:43PM LAWS.
2:39:47PM I CAN ONLY COMMENT ON ANY VIOLATIONS OF CITY CODE.
2:39:51PM THERE ARE NO CITY CODE ORDINANCES THAT COVER THE REQUIRED
2:39:56PM NOTICES BY A LANDLORD FOR COLLECTION, BACK RENT AND/OR
2:40:01PM EVICTION.
2:40:02PM THAT IS COVERED BY FLORIDA STATE STATUTE CHAPTER 83.
2:40:05PM THERE IS A PROVISION THAT PROVIDES FOR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE
2:40:08PM THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT NOTICE, BUT THAT IS
2:40:12PM SOMETHING THAT A COURT WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER THE
2:40:14PM REQUIREMENTS WERE MET I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN
2:40:24PM WORKING WITH BAY AREA LEGAL ABOUT THAT PILOT PROGRAM WE HAVE
2:40:26PM BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE TENANTS
2:40:29PM COULD TAKE.
2:40:40PM THIS DOES HAVE APPORTION FOR LANDLORD TENANT ISSUES.
2:40:44PM I WILL COMING BEFORE YOU WITH THAT AGREEMENT.
2:40:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK MS. JOHNS.
2:40:49PM WE SPOKE ON IT EARLIER THIS MORNING.

2:40:51PM SO IT WOULD APPEAR THAT NO CITY ORDINANCES WERE VIOLATED, TO
2:41:00PM LOOK TO SEE IF WE HAVE THE LEGAL CAPACITY TO DRAFT A CITY
2:41:03PM ORDINANCE THAT WOULD DEAL WITH IT, AND I WILL MAKE A FORMAL
2:41:05PM MOTION, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A MOTION?
2:41:10PM THANK YOU, SIR, I APPRECIATE IT.
2:41:11PM I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE LEGAL COME BACK WITH US ON THE
2:41:16PM FEASIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD -- LET'S SEE, HOW
2:41:22PM SHALL I PLACE IT -- AN ORDINANCE DEALING WITH SITUATIONS
2:41:26PM WHERE TENANTS ARE POTENTIALLY BEING EVICTED FOR ALLEGED ACTS
2:41:31PM THAT ARE SIX MONTHS OLD, SIX MONTHS OR OLDER, BACK DUE,
2:41:37PM WHICH THEY HAD NO IDEA OF, ET CETERA.
2:41:39PM THAT'S MY MOTION.
2:41:40PM I KNOW THAT WE MAY RUN INTO SOME ISSUES WITH FLORIDA
2:41:44PM STATUTES ON LANDLORDS SO WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT
2:41:47PM AT LEAST LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT AND HAVE THAT COME
2:41:51PM BACK DECEMBER -- IS THAT ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU?
2:41:57PM OKAY, THE FIRST WEEK IN DECEMBER, IF I MAY.
2:41:59PM THAT'S MY MOTION.
2:42:00PM BUT BEFORE I FORMALLY PUT THAT OUT THERE, I KNOW THAT ON
2:42:04PM MONDAY, SO I KEPT IN TOUCH OBVIOUSLY WITH THE TIMBERFALLS
2:42:08PM FOLKS AND MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS RESIDENTS, WE HAVE BEEN OUT
2:42:11PM THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN 19
2:42:14PM OPEN CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES.
2:42:17PM SO OVER TIMBERFALLS.
2:42:21PM SO MY MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE

2:42:24PM SUBSTANDARD IS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS
2:42:27PM WHENEVER IT COMES TO TAKING A LOOK AT CODE ENFORCEMENT
2:42:31PM CHALLENGES IN SOME OF THESE APARTMENT AREAS, ET CETERA.
2:42:35PM I AM GOING OUT AGAIN ON MONDAY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
2:42:40PM I HAVE LET CITY STAFF KNOW.
2:42:41PM I LET MANAGEMENT AT TIMBERFALLS KNOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO WORK
2:42:46PM ON THEM TO DO BETTER.
2:42:48PM SO, YES, THAT'S MY MOTION.
2:42:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
2:42:52PM MR. VIERA, COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION?
2:42:54PM >> IT WAS CONVOLUTED, SO MY MOTION ESSENTIALLY ASKS FOR
2:43:01PM LEGAL TO SEE THE FEASIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD
2:43:07PM PROVIDE PROTECTIONS FOR TENANTS THAT ARE SEEKING TO BE
2:43:11PM EVICTED BY LAND OWNERS FOR DEBTS THAT ARE SIX MONTHS OR
2:43:15PM OLDER.
2:43:16PM KIND OF LIKE WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT ALLEGEDLY IS HAPPENING
2:43:19PM HERE.
2:43:20PM WHAT PROTECTIONS THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN PROVIDE TENANTS IN
2:43:25PM SUCH SITUATIONS WHERE THEY ARE SEEKING TO BE EVICTED FOR
2:43:28PM DEBTS THAT ARE SIX MONTHS OR OLDER.
2:43:30PM AND IT'S ON THE FEASIBILITY OF IT IF AN ORDINANCE CAN BE
2:43:33PM CRAFTED SO IT'S NOT TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE, COME
2:43:35PM BACK WITH A REPORT ON THE FEASIBILITY OF IT.
2:43:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: RENT FOR SIX MONTHS?
2:43:41PM ARE WE SAYING A DEBT FOR SIX MONTHS, THAT THEY DON'T KNOW

2:43:45PM ABOUT?
2:43:45PM >>LUIS VIERA: IT COULD BE EITHER ONE. IN THIS PARTICULAR
2:43:47PM SITUATION ACCORDING TO THE TENANTS THERE WERE MANY DEBTS
2:43:49PM THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, THINGS THAT SECTION WILL 8 DIDN'T
2:43:54PM BAY FOR, A CHARITY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, CATHOLIC CHARITY,
2:43:59PM LUTHERAN, DIDN'T PAY FOR, SO DEBTS THAT ARE SIX MONTHS OR
2:44:02PM MORE.
2:44:08PM THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I THINK OUT LOUD.
2:44:12PM THANK YOU.
2:44:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
2:44:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I AM STAYING OUT OF THAT FRAY RIGHT
2:44:17PM NOW BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT AND IT ENDS AND YOU HAVE
2:44:20PM A NEW CONTRACT, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY.
2:44:24PM SO THE NEW CONTRACT, 3 OR 4 OR $500 MORE, THEY DON'T PAY IT,
2:44:29PM THAT'S A PROBLEM.
2:44:32PM THE MONEYS THAT WE ARE GIVING FOR THEM TO STAY THERE, I
2:44:34PM APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
2:44:35PM I'M SURE THEY DO, TOO.
2:44:36PM BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE IT'S GOING TO END.
2:44:39PM THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
2:44:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: SURE.
2:44:41PM AND MINE GOES TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE CERTAIN SITUATIONS
2:44:45PM WHERE THIRD PARTY ENTITIES, SECTION 8, DIFFERENT OTHER
2:44:47PM ENTITIES, ARE PAYING PEOPLE'S RENT AND THEY DIDN'T NOT THAT
2:44:50PM SECTION 8, FOR EXAMPLE, MAY BE BEHIND AND IT'S SIX, SEVEN

2:44:54PM MONTHS OLD AND THEN THEY ARE SUDDENLY DUE FOR IT.
2:44:57PM SO THAT'S THE POTENTIAL SITUATION.
2:45:00PM I DOUBT WE CAN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S FLORIDA STATUTE
2:45:04PM 935.411 ON CONTRACTS, DEBTS, ET CETERA, AND AGAIN LOOK INTO
2:45:09PM IT IF THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF PROTECTION, WITHOUT INTERFERING
2:45:12PM WITH PRIVATE CONTRACTS OR FLORIDA STATUTES THAT PREEMPT
2:45:15PM THIS, SOME SORT OF PROTECTION.
2:45:16PM I'M NOT OPTIMISTIC BUT SOMETHING.
2:45:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:45:23PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:45:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:45:27PM ANY OPPOSED?
2:45:28PM THANK YOU.
2:45:28PM >>THE CLERK: WHEN?
2:45:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: FIRST WEEK OF MAY.
2:45:36PM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
2:45:37PM >>LUIS VIERA: I APPRECIATE IT.
2:45:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, CM 22-76856.
2:46:01PM >>SHERISHA HILLS: DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
2:46:03PM HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS THE AGREEMENT
2:46:07PM WITH THE RUSSO BROTHERS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE HIT FACTORY
2:46:13PM ACADEMY.
2:46:14PM THEIR CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH FAP, WHICH -- A FACILITY USE
2:46:20PM PERMIT.
2:46:20PM THIS IS A PERMIT THAT WE UTILIZED WITH ORGANIZATIONS THAT

2:46:24PM HAVE SPORTS LEAGUES OUTSIDE OF LITTLE LEAGUES.
2:46:27PM OUR TRADITIONAL LITTLE LEAGUES USE FUA, FACILITY USE
2:46:32PM AGREEMENT, WHICH IS MORE INCLUSIVITY TO THAT FACILITY,
2:46:37PM VERSUS A FUP WHICH IS SCHEDULED WITH CITY DEPARTMENT OF
2:46:42PM PARKS AND REC TO UTILIZE THAT FACILITY.
2:46:44PM SO A LITTLE LEAGUE TRANSITION FROM A LITTLE LEAGUE.
2:46:47PM THEY ARE NO LONGER A LITTLE LEAGUE.
2:46:49PM THEY HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THERE THAT UTILIZE THAT FACILITY.
2:46:51PM SO WE TRANSITIONED THE PERMIT THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR IT.
2:46:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:46:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN WAS THAT PERMIT TRANSITION?
2:47:02PM WAS IT UNDER THE PREVIOUS STYLE WHERE THEY HAD ESSENTIALLY
2:47:06PM ALL ACCESS TO NOW SOMEONE UNLOCKS THE GATE, OPEN TO
2:47:11PM CLUBHOUSE KIND OF THING?
2:47:15PM >>SHERISHA HILLS: CORRECT.
2:47:16PM WE WERE -- THE AUDIT CAME BACK THAT THERE WAS NO LONGER A
2:47:20PM LITTLE LEAGUE OPERATING.
2:47:21PM IT WAS A BASEBALL ACADEMY.
2:47:23PM COVID HIT IN 2020 SO THINGS SHUT DOWN.
2:47:25PM IN 21 WE PUT THEM ON A PERMIT.
2:47:29PM WE RENEWED IT IN 22 OF THIS YEAR.
2:47:32PM SO THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND YEAR.
2:47:34PM THEY ARE STILL CURRENTLY ON IT.
2:47:35PM STILL ABLE TO USE LITTLE LEAGUE BUT THAT'S WHERE THE
2:47:39PM TRANSACTION ACTUALLY STARTED, 21 WITH A NEW CONTRACT.

2:47:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT THEY ARE ON A SCHEDULE.
2:47:45PM LIKE IT'S RAINED AND THEY WANT TO GET INSIDE THE CLUBHOUSE,
2:47:49PM THEY HAVE LIKE A TWO-STORY FACILITY ON-SITE, THEY HAVE TO
2:47:52PM WAIT FOR SOMEBODY IN PARKS AND REC TO OPEN IT UP OR PARKS
2:47:55PM AND REC CAN SAY SORRY, SUNRISE TO SUNSET OR NINE TO FIVE,
2:48:00PM AND IT'S 5:01.
2:48:02PM SORRY, WE ARE CLOSED FOR THE DAY.
2:48:04PM WHAT'S THE SITUATION THEN?
2:48:06PM >>SHERISHA HILLS: TRADITIONALLY IF THERE'S A RAIN-OUT, LIKE
2:48:09PM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, GO BACK TO YOUR CAR, WHATEVER.
2:48:11PM BUT IN THIS CASE, YES, SO WE OPEN AND CLOSE IT.
2:48:16PM YOU ARE SCHEDULED TO USE THE FIELD.
2:48:17PM THEY ARE ONE OF 70 ORGANIZATIONS WE PERMIT TO UTILIZE UNDER
2:48:22PM THE FUP FOR PERMITS.
2:48:23PM SO YES, IF THEY ARE THERE, IF THERE'S SOMEONE THERE TO OPEN
2:48:26PM IT, WE CAN OPEN IT AND HAVE THEM GO IN THERE.
2:48:29PM IF NOT, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, RETREAT
2:48:33PM BACK TO YOUR VEHICLE FOR SAFETY.
2:48:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, I'LL STOP THERE FOR NOW.
2:48:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:48:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE USER AGREEMENTS FOR
2:48:42PM MANY, MANY YEARS.
2:48:45PM AND I TALK ABOUT A LOT OF ISSUES THAT TRANSITION WITH YOUTH
2:48:50PM SPORTS, RECREATION, ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH FOOTBALL.
2:48:52PM A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT FOOTBALL.

2:48:56PM I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF FOR-PROFIT PROGRAMS GETTING THE SAME
2:49:00PM INCENTIVES AS NON-PROFIT PROGRAMS.
2:49:04PM BECAUSE FOR-PROFIT PROGRAMS, THAT'S WHERE YOUTH SPORTS HAS
2:49:07PM KIND OF CHANGED, ELITE PROGRAMS THAT ARE MAKING MONEY.
2:49:12PM AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE TRYING TO GET FACILITIES
2:49:17PM AND GETTING THE SAME TYPE AGREEMENTS AS THE NON-PROFITS
2:49:22PM BECAUSE THE NON-PROFITS ARE THE COMMUNITY.
2:49:26PM THEY ARE NOT PICKING AND CHOOSING.
2:49:28PM THEY ARE NOT CHARGING FEES.
2:49:29PM AND FOR-PROFIT, THEY ARE CHARGING A FEE AT THE GATE, WHEREAS
2:49:32PM NONPROFITS CANNOT CHARGE FEES AT THE GATE, DONATIONS, TO
2:49:37PM OPERATE THEIR PROGRAM.
2:49:38PM THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATION FOR
2:49:41PM ALL THE COUNTY, CITIES GET TOGETHER.
2:49:46PM THOSE PROGRAMS ARE FAILING OR HAVE ISSUES CAN HAVE A
2:49:49PM COMMISSION THAT CAN HELP THEM, AND MONEY CAN BE GENERATED TO
2:49:51PM HELP THESE NONPROFIT PROGRAMS.
2:49:53PM I'M FOR YOUTH SPORTS ALL DAY LONG.
2:49:55PM BUT I AM NOT FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS GETTING THE SAME TYPE
2:50:00PM OF BENEFIT AS NONPROFITS BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING A PROFIT
2:50:04PM VERSUS BEING ABLE TO HELP ALL OF GENERAL COMMUNITY IN THAT
2:50:08PM AREA.
2:50:09PM I HAVE EXPERIENCE ON THIS.
2:50:11PM I DEALT IT WITH A LOT OF YOUTH PROGRAMS AND LLC, YOU KNOW, I
2:50:16PM HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT.

2:50:17PM IF YOU ARE A TRUE NONPROFIT, YOU SHOULD BE GAINING AND
2:50:21PM GETTING KID RIGHT THERE, NOT TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE
2:50:25PM BACKS OF KIDS OR PAYING COACHES TO COACH.
2:50:28PM VOLUNTEERS ARE VOLUNTEERS.
2:50:29PM SO FOR ME, I KNOW SOME OF THE BACKGROUND, PLANT HIGH SCHOOL,
2:50:36PM GREAT GUYS, NOTICE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU
2:50:39PM TALK ABOUT INCENTIVES, I'M NOT FOR FOR-PROFITS GETTING THE
2:50:44PM SAME TYPE INCENTIVES.
2:50:48PM CLUBS INDICATOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF KID.
2:50:50PM BUT AGAIN HELPING BUT MAKING SURE THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPE
2:50:56PM OF INCENTIVES.
2:50:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:50:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
2:51:01PM LET'S GO BACK A LITTLE BIT IN HISTORY.
2:51:03PM WHEN I PLAYED AT CASCADES PARK, BY THE WAY THAT PARK IS THE
2:51:07PM ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW HAS TWO INDIVIDUALS IN THE BASEBALL
2:51:10PM HALL OF FAME, TONY LOOK RUSA AND AL LOPEZ, MAYBE THE ONLY
2:51:15PM TWO IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE HALL OF FAME, WHO KNOWS?
2:51:18PM BUT THERE WAS NO -- IT WAS CITY LEAGUE, AND THE CITY
2:51:22PM COULDN'T WAIT TO GET RID OF THEIR CULTURES AND GET RID OF
2:51:25PM THE PEOPLE, AND THAT WAS -- AND ANDREW SPOLITO DID THE
2:51:37PM MALES.
2:51:38PM WE LEARNED BECAUSE WE WERE TAUGHT AND WE LOOKED AND WE HAD
2:51:41PM TO EMULATE WHAT THEY TAUGHT US BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MANY
2:51:44PM KIDS THAT WE COULDN'T GET PROPERLY ORGANIZED.

2:51:47PM ORGANIZATION WE HAD, BUT COMMITMENT TO TEACHING HOW TO THROW
2:51:51PM A CURVE, HOW TO THROW A KNUCKLEBALL, THAT WAS GONE.
2:51:54PM YOU HAD TO LEARN IT ON YOURSELF.
2:51:56PM YOU ARE SMILING BECAUSE YOU ARE ON MY LIST.
2:51:59PM AND THE NEXT THING IS, LITTLE LEAGUE CAME ON.
2:52:02PM LITTLE LEAGUE FLOURISHED FOR MANY YEARS, BUT NOW IT'S
2:52:04PM FLUTTERING DOWN, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME ANYTIME YOU WANT
2:52:06PM FROM WHAT I SEE.
2:52:09PM THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IN LITTLE LEAGUE NOW, THE OLD
2:52:14PM BASEBALL, YOU HAVE TO BE IN YOUR BAG UNTIL YOU ARE 14 YEARS
2:52:17PM OLD, AND YOU CAN'T STEEL SECOND UNTIL THE SECOND THE CATCHER
2:52:21PM CATCHES THE BALL. IT'S ANTIQUATED.
2:52:22PM IT'S NOT THE REAL BASEBALL.
2:52:23PM FROM WHAT SEE -- AND I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS A FACT BUT FROM
2:52:26PM WHAT I SEE, LIKE WHEN I DRIVE TO GO TO MY FAVORITE PLACE,
2:52:28PM WALMART, AND I GO WEST -- I SEE IT VACANT MOST OF THE TIME.
2:52:36PM I DON'T THINK THEY GOT 100 KIDS THERE.
2:52:39PM IN WEST TAMPA ONE TIME THEY HAD 6 OR 7 OR 800 KIDS, 7 OR 8
2:52:44PM 12-YEAR-OLDS PLAYING. I THINK THEY GOT ONE.
2:52:47PM I CAN GET VERIFY THIS BY GETTING MY INFORMATION.
2:52:49PM IN FACT SOME OF THE KIDS THAT WENT THERE, I KNOW I TALKED TO
2:52:54PM THEM THE OTHER DAY, HOW ARE YOU GIRLS DOING IN WEST TAMPA?
2:52:57PM SHE SAID THEY ARE NOT IN WEST TAMPA ANYMORE.
2:52:59PM WHERE ARE THEY AT? THEY ARE AT THE HIT FACTORY.
2:53:02PM PARENTS ARE THE ONES DRIVING THIS THING.

2:53:04PM AND THERE'S A NEED.
2:53:06PM AND THE NEED GOES AWAY.
2:53:10PM BUT WHEN EVERY PARENT IN AMERICA THINKS THEIR DAUGHTER OR
2:53:12PM SON ARE GOING TO BE PROFESSIONAL IN BASKETBALL OR TENNIS OR
2:53:16PM FOOTBALL, THEY THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE IT.
2:53:21PM MY FATHER TOLD ME I WAS TERRIBLE.
2:53:23PM THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T MAKE IT. BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL
2:53:25PM YOU IS ALL THESE PARENTS WANT SOMEBODY TO BABY-SIT, BUT THEY
2:53:29PM DON'T WANT TO GO TO A LITTLE LEAGUE.
2:53:31PM THEY WANT SOMEBODY GETTING PAID.
2:53:33PM THAT'S WHAT THE DEAL IS.
2:53:34PM AS FAR AS I SEE, EVEN WHEN YOU GO IN SOME LITTLE LEAGUE THEY
2:53:39PM STILL SEND THE KIDS SOMEWHERE FOR PRACTICE BY SOMEBODY WHO
2:53:43PM IS A PROFESSIONAL.
2:53:44PM LET ME SAME THIS BEFORE MR. RUSSO IS HERE.
2:53:47PM PAUL WAS ONE OF MY CATCHERS.
2:53:49PM I'M NOT HERE BECAUSE OF PAUL.
2:53:50PM I'M NOT HERE -- I TALK ABOUT THE FACTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT
2:53:55PM CONTRACT THEY HAD.
2:53:56PM I NEVER READ IT.
2:53:58PM BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR, THERE IS SOME INDIVIDUAL FROM THE PARK
2:54:01PM THAT OPENED THE GATE AND CLOSES THE GATE AND STAYS THERE AND
2:54:05PM GETS PAID FOR THEM TO WATCH THE PRACTICE.
2:54:06PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT.
2:54:08PM SO MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE SAYING IT.

2:54:10PM THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
2:54:12PM IT WASN'T FROM MR. RUSSO.
2:54:15PM SO WHAT IS IT ABOUT?
2:54:16PM IT'S ABOUT THE KIDS BEING AT SOMEPLACE, FOR SOME PERIOD OF
2:54:20PM TIME, TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT?
2:54:22PM WHEN YOU PLAY SPORTS, IT'S NOT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE A
2:54:26PM PROFESSIONAL, IT'S THAT YOU LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH OTHERS,
2:54:27PM AND YOU LEARN ABOUT WINNING, AND YOU LEARN ABOUT LOSING.
2:54:32PM AND WHAT MAKES A WINNER IS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO
2:54:35PM LOSE.
2:54:37PM WHAT MAKES A GREAT EMPLOYEE IS SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO BE
2:54:40PM BETTER THAN THE ONE NEXT TO THEM.
2:54:41PM AND LIFE TEACHES YOU ABOUT SPORTS.
2:54:43PM NO WONDER I LOST SO MANY BASEBALL GAMES.
2:54:45PM SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU IS THAT IN LIFE IT'S WHO YOU
2:54:51PM HANG OUT WITH.
2:54:53PM DON'T TELL ME WHO YOU ARE, TELL ME WHO YOU HANG AROUND WITH
2:54:57PM AND I'LL TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE.
2:54:58PM AND THAT STILL GOES TO THIS DAY.
2:55:03PM WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IT'S ABOUT ALL THE KIDS THAT ARE
2:55:05PM THERE.
2:55:06PM WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS ORGANIZATION -- YOU SAID 70 OF THESE.
2:55:11PM I DON'T KNOW.
2:55:14PM WHATEVER.
2:55:14PM LET'S SAY THEY ALL VANISH TOMORROW.

2:55:17PM WHERE ARE THE KIDS GOING, TO THE STREET?
2:55:19PM THEY ARE NOT GOING BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
2:55:21PM THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.
2:55:22PM THEIR PARENTS ARE TELLING THEM, YOU ARE GOING TO BE A STAR.
2:55:26PM MAYBE ONE IN 10,000 MAKES IT.
2:55:31PM THAT'S A FACT.
2:55:33PM HE MADE IT.
2:55:34PM IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF ME.
2:55:36PM BECAUSE HE WAS A BETTER PLAYER THAN THE REST OF THEM.
2:55:39PM I HAD MANY GO TO THE MAJORS FROM THERE AND WEST TAMPA, ONE
2:55:43PM GUY PLAYED FOR THE YANKEES FOR FIVE YEARS.
2:55:46PM BUT IT WASN'T BECAUSE I COACHED THEM.
2:55:48PM HE WAS ALREADY A STAR.
2:55:50PM I JUST SAID, GO HOME, THROW A FAST BALL.
2:55:55PM THAT'S ALL I TOLD THE KID.
2:55:56PM BECAUSE IN TODAY'S LIFE, THE PARENTS SEE THE GRANDEST THING,
2:56:01PM AND GOD BLESS THEM THAT THEY DO.
2:56:03PM AND GOD BLESS THEM THAT THEY SEND THEM TO THE UNIVERSITY.
2:56:06PM AND I CAN'T TELL YOU -- I AM GOING TO HAVE THEM COME UP AND
2:56:09PM I AM GOING TO ASK THEM SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT
2:56:13PM PROGRAM PRODUCE, IN SCHOLARSHIPS FOR KIDS?
2:56:18PM THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT NOWHERE ELSE, NOT EVEN A
2:56:21PM COLLEGE EDUCATION.
2:56:23PM HOW MANY KIDS WENT TO COLLEGE?
2:56:24PM HOW MANY KIDS GOT A SCHOLARSHIP?

2:56:26PM THEIR RETURN ON THE DOLLAR IS SO MUCH GREATER THAN WHAT WE
2:56:29PM THINK.
2:56:30PM AND I AM NOT HERE TO CHASTISE THE DEPARTMENT.
2:56:35PM I AM NOT DOING THAT.
2:56:36PM WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A MUCH GREATER
2:56:38PM PICTURE.
2:56:40PM I CAN TELL YOU A YEAR AGO, I WENT TO LEFT FIELD, RIGHT
2:56:45PM CENTER FIELD FENCE IN THE PARK WAS FALLING DOWN.
2:56:48PM THE PLACE WAS IN HORRIBLE CONDITION.
2:56:50PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MAINTENANCE, THE SIDEWALK WAS ALL
2:56:54PM RIPPED UP.
2:56:55PM I HAD TEN YEARS OF SERVICE THERE.
2:56:57PM IT WAS THE TEN BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE.
2:57:00PM IN FACT, TWO KIDS GAVE ME A LOT OF GRIEF AND WHEN THEY WERE
2:57:06PM GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY THAT I WAS NOT GOING TO GET IN THE WAY,
2:57:08PM I WILL TEACH THEM WHAT I KNEW, AND I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO GET
2:57:12PM HURT.
2:57:13PM ONE OF THEM NOW IS THE CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE CITY OF MIAMI,
2:57:17PM AND THE OTHER ONE IS A BIG GUY IN THE BROKER IN THE REAL
2:57:20PM ESTATE BUSINESS.
2:57:21PM AND I'M SO PROUD OF THEM, AND THEY TURNED OUT TO BE GREAT
2:57:27PM CITIZENS, NOT BECAUSE OF ME BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE AROUND
2:57:29PM OTHER KIDS THAT WOULD TEACH THEM, AND I TOLD THEM IN THE
2:57:33PM BEGINNING, THEY ARE FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF YOU, DON'T GET HURT.
2:57:36PM IF YOU HEAR SOMEBODY SAY, STOP, DON'T RUN THEM OVER BECAUSE

2:57:40PM THEY ARE MUCH STRONGER THAN YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
2:57:42PM THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO INSTILL IN THEM.
2:57:44PM WINNING IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY.
2:57:46PM IT'S FOR EVERYONE.
2:57:48PM BECAUSE IF YOU GET UP AND YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE GOT TO DO,
2:57:52PM YOU WILL BECOME A QUITTER.
2:57:57PM NOT SITTING DOWN.
2:57:59PM ALL THESE 70 ORGANIZATIONS, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER
2:58:00PM 69 -- PUT IN THE KIDS' HEADS THAT YOU JUST CAN'T DO WITH THE
2:58:01PM "L" BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE "W." BUT TRY TO ERASE THE L.
2:58:10PM IT'S ABOUT LIFE.
2:58:11PM IT AIN'T ABOUT JUST SPORTS.
2:58:13PM IT'S ABOUT LIFE.
2:58:14PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:58:14PM AND HAVE A NICE DAY.
2:58:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:58:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. HILLS, ABOUT HOW THEY DRESS, HOW THEY
2:58:28PM TEACH KIDS.
2:58:29PM MY MOTTO ON THAT.
2:58:32PM MY CONCERN IS, AGAIN, AND IF IT'S OPEN SPACE, LET'S UTILIZE
2:58:38PM INCENTIVES. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE INCENTIVES ARE FOR
2:58:42PM NONPROFIT OR PROFIT.
2:58:43PM YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SAME, BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING PAID,
2:58:48PM AND VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME, YOU KNOW.
2:58:52PM I KNOW NONEXEMPT CLAUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

2:58:59PM WE HAVE GOT A LITTLE EXTRA ON THE DOLLAR SO THEY CAN AFFORD
2:59:03PM TO BE ABLE TO PLAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
2:59:05PM BUT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE INCENTIVES.
2:59:07PM THAT'S MY BIGGEST ISSUE.
2:59:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND THAT REMINDS ME, WHEN YOU SAY FOR
2:59:14PM PROFIT OR NONPROFIT, EVEN IF THE LITTLE LEAGUE, YOU ARE
2:59:21PM REQUIRED TO WORK SO MANY HOURS ON THE CONCESSION THING, THEN
2:59:25PM THE FIELD, YOU HAVE SO MANY THINGS YOU HAVE GOT TO DO.
2:59:28PM AND NOW, WHAT I AM SAYING IS, ALL THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE A
2:59:37PM CONSIDERATION.
2:59:38PM AND IF MR. RUSSO CAN BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHAT YOU DO, I
2:59:42PM AM HERE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
2:59:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU ASKING FOR MR. RUSSO?
2:59:49PM MR. RUSSO, CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP?
2:59:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE MS. HILLS FIRST TO TALK ABOUT
2:59:56PM IT.
2:59:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD.
3:00:02PM >> I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE QUESTION, SIR?
3:00:06PM WHAT IS THE QUESTION, SIR? I'M SORRY.
3:00:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAID WHAT [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
3:00:15PM >> LIKE THE LITTLE LEAGUE COMPARED TO AN ACADEMY
3:00:18PM ORGANIZATION.
3:00:20PM SO WITH THE LITTLE LEAGUE, SIR, THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT
3:00:26PM FIELD, SO THEY HAVE THE FIRST PRIORITY, FIRST RIGHT TO
3:00:29PM REFUSAL.

3:00:29PM WE HAVE OTHER TRAVEL BALL ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO PRACTICE AT
3:00:33PM LITTLE LEAGUES BUT THEY HAVE TO OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE
3:00:35PM LITTLE LEAGUE SCHEDULE, OKAY.
3:00:37PM SO THEIR PRACTICES, THEIR GAMES COME FIRST, AND THEN THE
3:00:41PM ACADEMY OR SPORTS COME SECOND.
3:00:45PM THE LITTLE LEAGUES, WE PAY THEIR UTILITIES, COVER ALL THOSE
3:00:49PM EXPENSES.
3:00:50PM LITTLE LEAGUE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR IN FIELDS.
3:00:57PM [~DISTORTION~] WE DO INSIST THAT ACADEMY ORGANIZATIONS, FOR
3:01:03PM PROFITS, WE DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE, WE BEING THE CITY.
3:01:07PM SO WE DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE.
3:01:09PM WE STILL PAY THE UTILITIES.
3:01:10PM WE MAINTAIN ALL OF THAT.
3:01:12PM THAT ORGANIZATION ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS COME IN, PRACTICE,
3:01:15PM AND WALK OUT.
3:01:17PM AND COMPARED TO ALMOST LIKE A REC CENTER VERSUS IT'S OUR
3:01:20PM AGREEMENT WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WHEN THEY HAVE A
3:01:23PM FACILITY, THEY MAINTAIN EVERYTHING VERSUS SOMEONE WHO COMES
3:01:26PM IN, WANTS TO RENT THE FACILITY FOR A DAY, WE UNLOCK THE
3:01:31PM DOOR, LET YOU KNOW, COME BACK.
3:01:34PM SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF IT.
3:01:38PM THE LITTLE LEAGUES THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE FACILITIES.
3:01:43PM BUT THEY DO MAINTAIN, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THEIR VOLUNTEER
3:01:47PM HOURS, THEIR SERVICES, THAT'S DONE AS WELL.
3:01:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. RUSSO?

3:01:57PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND COUNCIL FOR
3:02:01PM ALLOWING ME TO COME AND SPEAK.
3:02:03PM THERE WERE SOME THINGS SAID WERE TRUE.
3:02:19PM OUR COFFEES JUST LIKE THE YMCA IS A NONPROFIT AND THEY PAY
3:02:23PM THEIR EMPLOYEES.
3:02:24PM IN 2015, [~AUDIO CUTS OUT~]
3:02:37PM TAKE OVER -- LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL HAD NOT BEEN AT
3:02:41PM WELLSWOOD SINCE THE EARLY 90s.
3:02:44PM EARLY 90s.
3:02:45PM SO WE DIDN'T TAKE OVER TILL 2015.
3:02:49PM THE EARLY 90s LITTLE LEAGUE LEFT WELLSWOOD, IT BECAME PONY
3:02:55PM BASEBALL.
3:02:56PM A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.
3:02:57PM IT HAD NO CHARTER WHATSOEVER.
3:03:08PM SO WE CAME TO, MR. MIRANDA, MY BROTHER AND I, SAID THERE
3:03:13PM WERE 30 KIDS THAT REGISTERED THAT HAD NO PLACE TO GO.
3:03:16PM CAN PAT AND I TAKE OVER TO THE FACILITY.
3:03:20PM WE WOULD MAKE THOSE -- AND THEN I WOULD CALL ALL THE TRAVEL
3:03:26PM ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THAT I KNEW TO COME PLAY AT WELLSWOOD
3:03:34PM [~AUDIO CUTS OUT~]
3:03:35PM SINCE 2015, WE SAVED CITY OF TAMPA OVER $250,000.
3:03:44PM MY BROTHER AND I HIT FACTORY AND PUT THAT MONEY INTO A
3:03:52PM FACILITY THROUGH RENTING OF THE FIELDS AND FULL MAINTENANCE
3:03:55PM OF THE FACILITY.
3:03:56PM NOT ONE THING HAS BEEN DONE TO WELLSWOOD FIELDS FROM THE

3:04:02PM CITY OF TAMPA PARK AND RECREATIONS FOR 30 YEARS.
3:04:05PM I KNOW BECAUSE I PLAYED THERE AT SIX YEARS OLD FOR MR.
3:04:09PM MIRANDA. EVERYTHING DONE AT THAT COMPLEX, FROM REPLACING
3:04:09PM GRASS, REPLACING CLAY, ALL THE CUTTING OF THE GRASS, WE HAVE
3:04:09PM DONE FROM 2015. OUR DOLLARS.
3:04:15PM [INDISCERNIBLE]
3:04:21PM WE HAVE DONE SINCE 2015.
3:04:24PM AND A LOT OF OUR DOLLARS COME IN FROM DONATIONS, 501(C)3, AN
3:04:29PM ANNUAL GOLF TOURNAMENT, ANNUAL POKER NIGHT -- WE HAVE 20 TO
3:04:34PM 25 OF OUR CHILDREN THAT PLAY FOR US ARE ON SCHOLARSHIP,
3:04:46PM BECAUSE A CHILD CAN'T AFFORD IT.
3:04:49PM WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR A LIVING.
3:04:50PM I WAS BORN AND RAISED, PLAYED AT WELLSWOOD, PLAYED AT WEST
3:04:54PM TAMPA, PLAYED AT THE POOREST LITTLE LEAGUE IN TAMPA AT THE
3:04:56PM TIME, RIVERSIDE LITTLE LEAGUE, WHICH IS NOW THE YELLOW
3:04:59PM JACKETS PARK.
3:05:05PM [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
3:05:08PM I PLAYED AT UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA FOR THREE YEARS, ALL
3:05:08PM AMERICAN, PLAYED PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL FOR ELEVEN SEASONS
3:05:14PM WITH THE TWINS, PADRES AND ASTROS.
3:05:17PM SO THAT'S WHERE MY BACKGROUND OF BASEBALL COMES.
3:05:20PM AND SINCE 1990, THE WE HAVE GIVEN FREE BASEBALL CLINICS TO
3:05:27PM ANYBODY, POOR KIDS, RICH KIDS, DOESN'T MATTER, FREE.
3:05:33PM WE HAVE DONE COACHING CLINICS AT DIFFERENT LITTLE LEAGUES.
3:05:42PM AND THEN RIGHT AS COVID HIT, THEY DIDN'T RENEW THE CONTRACT.

3:05:57PM SO WE HAD OVER 100 KIDS FOR THREE YEARS IN A ROW PROMOTING
3:06:00PM BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.
3:06:03PM THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID THAT AREN'T TRUE
3:06:05PM BECAUSE THE BIGGEST SOFTBALL ORGANIZATION IN THE CITY OF
3:06:08PM TAMPA IS RUN BY PARKS AND RECREATION, AND IT'S CALLED
3:06:17PM TEAM TAMPA -- [~AUDIO CUTS OUT~] AND THEY HAVE THE BEST
3:06:22PM FACILITY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:06:27PM I KNOW I PASSED OUT A BOOK FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT.
3:06:29PM IF YOU LOOK AT THIS BOOKLET, THERE ARE NO CHANGES AT
3:06:34PM WELLSWOOD FOR 30 YEARS DESPITE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT OUR
3:06:42PM ORGANIZATION HAS PUT INTO IT AND THE MAINTENANCE WE HAVE
3:06:46PM DONE.
3:06:46PM NOW WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE A SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN, WHICH
3:06:50PM IS A HALF A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE BALLPARK.
3:06:54PM WE HAVE 8 TO 10 KIDS THAT PLAY FOR OUR ORGANIZATION FROM
3:07:00PM TRINITY.
3:07:07PM SO THOSE KIDS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO DAYCARE.
3:07:14PM THEIR PARENTS WORK TILL LATE.
3:07:20PM WE GET EARLY, MY BROTHER AND -- THOSE KIDS HAVE A SAFE HAVEN
3:07:26PM TO BE AT.
3:07:27PM THEY OH WOULD COME UPPER WAS US, DO THEIR HOMEWORK, SIT
3:07:29PM DOWN, RELAX, BUT THEY HAVE SAFE -- FOR NO CHARGE.
3:07:38PM AND WE GAVE THEM THE ABILITY FOR R FOR A SAFE PLACE.
3:07:41PM NOW THOSE CHILDREN HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.
3:07:44PM I TALKED TO A COUPLE OF PARENTS AND THEY SIT AT THE BOWLING

3:07:47PM ALLEY FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS BEFORE THEY CAN GET TO THE
3:07:50PM BALLPARK FOR PRACTICE.
3:07:51PM WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IN SEVERAL CITY MEETINGS, I'M SORRY, PARK
3:07:54PM & REC MEETINGS, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THE
3:07:58PM UPSTAIRS AND THE CONCESSION STAND.
3:08:02PM NOW THE CONCESSION STAND HAS BEEN CLOSED.
3:08:05PM WE HAVE AT LEAST $30,000 WORTH OF CONCESSION EQUIPMENT JUST
3:08:08PM SITTING THERE ROTTING A WAY.
3:08:19PM [~AUDIO CUTS OUT~] WE DID THAT FOR THE LAST -- YEARS.
3:08:29PM SINCE WE HAVE BEEN AT THE BALLPARK, TAKING CARE OF THE
3:08:32PM FIELD, THE FIELD ARE ALREADY OVERGROWN, THEY ALREADY HAVE
3:08:35PM LIPS ON THE BACK, THEY HAVE GRASS GROWING OVER, BECAUSE IT'S
3:08:39PM NOT CARED FOR THE WAY WE WOULD CARE FOR IT.
3:08:43PM ON A REGULAR DAY, MY BROTHER -- AND WELLSWOOD COMMUNITY TWO
3:08:50PM BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE FIELD.
3:08:54PM 11:00 IN THE MORNING, HE WOULD WATER AND DRAG ALL THE
3:08:58PM FIELDS.
3:09:01PM IF THEY NEEDED TO BE TRIMMED WE DO THAT.
3:09:04PM GO HOME, DO WHATEVER, AND AT 3:00 WE WOULD BE BACK AT THE
3:09:07PM PARK FOR THOSE WHO COME FROM TRINITY.
3:09:14PM TREMENDOUS WORK FOR TRINITY SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN.
3:09:18PM TRINITY FOR CHILDREN, THIS AGREEMENT WHERE THEIR TEAMS COME
3:09:24PM PLAY ON THE FIELD AT WELLSWOOD AND PAY PARK AND RECREATION
3:09:27PM FOR THE RIGHT TO USE THE FIELD.
3:09:30PM NOW, THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT DOES NOT PAY FOR THE

3:09:35PM MAINTENANCE OF THOSE FIELD.
3:09:36PM WE TAKE CARE OF IT.
3:09:37PM THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT DIDN'T PAY FOR THE NEW CLAY OR ALL
3:09:41PM THE MATERIALS THAT NEEDED TO BE ON THE FIELD.
3:09:44PM WE PAID FOR THAT.
3:09:46PM PARK AND RECREATION GOT -- AND WE DID ALL THE WORK.
3:09:55PM WALK INTO THE FACILITY NOW, WALKED TO THE FACILITY AND THEY
3:10:00PM SAW IT.
3:10:01PM AND THEY WERE CUTTING THE GRASS THAT DAY BUT THEY COULDN'T
3:10:06PM WALK THROUGH THE FIELD BECAUSE THE GRASS WAS TOO HIGH.
3:10:09PM PITCHERS COULDN'T USE THE BULLPENS BECAUSE THE GRASS WAS TOO
3:10:13PM HIGH AND NOT TAKEN CARE OF TO THE LEVEL OF THAT WE TOOK CARE
3:10:15PM OF THE FIELD.
3:10:16PM THAT'S ALL WE ARE SAYING.
3:10:17PM LISTEN, IF THEY WANT TO CUT THE GRASS, WE CUT THE GRASS.
3:10:22PM WE REALLY NEEDED USE OF THE UPSTAIRS FACILITY AND THE
3:10:24PM CONCESSION STAND.
3:10:25PM THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WE HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY IS
3:10:27PM UNBELIEVABLE, MR. EMPANATA AND SANDWICH SHOP.
3:10:37PM SO RESPECTFULLY I REQUEST IF WE COULD HAVE A PRIVATE MEETING
3:10:40PM TO COVER MORE OF THIS, I WOULD TRULY APPRECIATE IT.
3:10:43PM I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MS. HILLS OR MS. ERICSON.
3:10:48PM I THINK THEY ARE WONDERFUL WOMEN AND DO A GREAT JOB.
3:10:51PM I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESOLVE IT ESPECIALLY FOR THE KIDS
3:10:53PM BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES --

3:10:58PM >> MS. HILLS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT?
3:11:04PM >>SHERISHA HILLS: NO, I MEAN WE CAN ABSOLUTELY SIT DOWN AND
3:11:09PM TALK ABOUT IT.
3:11:10PM WE GO BACK 20 YEARS.
3:11:11PM AND HE'S RIGHT, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS WHAT [~AUDIO
3:11:21PM DISTORTION~] AND I WILL KEEP SAYING THIS, THE AGREEMENT
3:11:23PM THAT'S WITH THEM IS CONSISTENT WITH SAME ORGANIZATIONS THAT
3:11:27PM ARE JUST LIKE THEM, WITH THE OTHER 69 ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE
3:11:30PM HAVE.
3:11:30PM THAT IS OUR BIGGEST THING, TO ENSURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT,
3:11:33PM AND WE DO WANT ACCESS FOR ALL THE SAME GOALS, SO EVERYONE
3:11:38PM HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY, THAT'S OUR GOAL WITH PARKS AND REC.
3:11:44PM BUT REALLY OUR GOAL IS MAKING SURE THAT HAPPENS.
3:11:47PM BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
3:11:48PM I KNOW HE REQUESTED TO MEET SEPARATELY.
3:11:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M THINKING OF HOW TO SOLVE IT AND THE
3:11:58PM ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS MAYBE MS. HILLS CAN GET AN
3:12:01PM APPOINTMENT WITH CHIEF OF STAFF AND PAUL RUSSO AND THEY WORK
3:12:04PM IT OUT.
3:12:05PM THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.
3:12:06PM WE DON'T DO CONTRACTS.
3:12:08PM WE EITHER APPROVE THEM OR REJECT THEM.
3:12:12PM I AM GOING TO MEET YOU, THE LADY IN THE BACK AND YOU AND I
3:12:14PM ARE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE GAME.
3:12:16PM AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN.

3:12:18PM >>SHERISHA HILLS: YOU ARE THE SECOND CITY PERSON THIS WEEK,
3:12:25PM I WILL TAKE YOUR LUNCH MONEY.
3:12:27PM I TOLD SOMEBODY THIS EARLIER.
3:12:29PM I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE AGE.
3:12:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF IT'S ONLY LUNCH.
3:12:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:12:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE AGREEMENT IS QUINT WITH THE OTHER
3:12:43PM 69 ORGANIZATIONS.
3:12:44PM BUT DO THEY PUT IN THE SAME INVESTMENT AS MR. RUSSO SAID, A
3:12:51PM QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP AND
3:12:53PM EVERYTHING ELSE?
3:13:05PM THE CITY MAINTAINING THESE FIELD, BECAUSE TAKING THE [~AUDIO
3:13:09PM DISTORTION~] AND PUTTING IT TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS
3:13:15PM WORK.
3:13:16PM >>SHERISHA HILLS: THERE'S ALSO ORGANIZATION THAT CURRENTLY
3:13:29PM LITTLE LEAGUE MAINTAINS -- SOME OF THE FIELD IT ALL DEPENDS
3:13:36PM ON LOCATION.
3:13:37PM BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FIELDS, SO SOME OF THESE
3:13:40PM ORGANIZATIONS ARE AT THE LITTLE LEAGUES, WHICH HE'S RIGHT,
3:13:43PM THE LITTLE LEAGUES DO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN.
3:13:46PM SO THESE ARE PROFITING FROM LITTLE LEAGUES THAT -- [~AUDIO
3:13:52PM DISTORTION~]
3:13:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION
3:13:55PM THE AGREEMENT THAT PEOPLE HAVE ARE THEY GO IN, THE FIELD,
3:13:58PM THEY GO HOME, AND THEN THE CITY TAKES CARE OF IT.

3:14:01PM NOW, IT IS SAID THAT WE MAINTAIN SOME, OTHERS MAINTAIN THEIR
3:14:06PM OWN, THIS AND THAT.
3:14:08PM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE, BUT THEY
3:14:10PM ARE OFFERING BEFORE SCHOOL, AFTER SCHOOL SERVICES, WHATEVER
3:14:14PM IT IS, BUT STUDENTS ARE COMING IN, THEY ARE BEING ABLE TO
3:14:21PM USE STUDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE PARENTS THAT ARE ABLE TO PICK
3:14:24PM THEM UP BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING, WE ARE KEEPING THEM OUT OF
3:14:27PM TROUBLE ESSENTIALLY, OFF THE STREETS, AND KEEPING THEM
3:14:30PM OCCUPIED.
3:14:32PM BUT AS MR. MIRANDA MENTIONED, YOU, JOHN BENNETT, WHOEVER
3:14:38PM ELSE HAS A MEETING WITH MR. RUSSO, MR. RUSSO'S BROTHER AND
3:14:44PM TRY TO RESOLVE THIS.
3:14:45PM I SEE IT AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, NOT TO BE TREAT THEM
3:14:48PM DIFFERENTLY, BUT THE INVESTMENT THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING FOR SO
3:14:53PM MANY YEARS.
3:14:55PM AND TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS, BECAUSE AGAIN THEY ARE USING THAT
3:14:58PM FUNDING, I THINK MAKES THEM UNIQUE, ALSO THE 6969 OTHER
3:15:04PM INDIVIDUALS.
3:15:06PM ALL RIGHT.
3:15:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE LAST TIME.
3:15:09PM >> DEMAND GUDES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
3:15:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. RUSSO SAID THE LEAGUE WAS A LITTLE
3:15:20PM LEAGUE A LONG TIME, AND I REMEMBER THAT WELL.
3:15:23PM BECAUSE A GREAT PLACE TO PLAY AT.
3:15:28PM AND LITTLE LEAGUE PROGRAM, THEM, THE BOY SCOUTS AND ONE

3:15:44PM OTHER.
3:15:45PM BUT SINCE THEY ARE A NONPROFIT, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO VERIFY
3:15:50PM THEY ARE A NONPROFIT, I DON'T KNOW IF BE THE TAKEOVER COULD
3:15:52PM BE BECAUSE THEY ARE A NONPROFIT NOW, BUT I LOOK AT WHAT IS
3:16:01PM NONPROFIT IS DOING, AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHALLENGE I HAVE.
3:16:05PM >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
3:16:06PM I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OVER ANYTHING.
3:16:11PM I HAVE KNOWN HER SINCE I WAS YOUNG.
3:16:15PM I AM NOW OLD.
3:16:17PM SO I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HER.
3:16:18PM I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HEATHER.
3:16:20PM I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WONDERFUL WORKING AGREEMENT WITH
3:16:23PM THEM.
3:16:24PM WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER.
3:16:25PM WE ARE IN IT FOR KIDS.
3:16:31PM I UNDERSTAND.
3:16:31PM I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
3:16:32PM I AM NOT HERE TO GET RICH.
3:16:34PM I PLAYED BASEBALL FOR ELEVEN YEARS.
3:16:36PM I HAVE BEEN RETIRED LONGER THAN I PLAYED.
3:16:38PM AND IT GAVE ME A GOOD LIFE.
3:16:40PM BASEBALL GAVE ME A GOOD LIFE I.WANT MY DREAM FOR THE KIDS
3:16:43PM THAT I COACH, BOYS AND GIRLS, BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO HAVE
3:16:47PM THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THE THINGS THAT I DID.
3:16:51PM AND, YOU KNOW, MY SON IS A HEAD COACH NOW AT TAMPA CATHOLIC.

3:16:58PM HE PLAYED HERE.
3:17:01PM HE WAS ALSO A PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER FOR THE
3:17:03PM WASHINGTON NATIONALS.
3:17:04PM I AM GOING TO BE A GRANDFATHER I FOUND OUT, BABY BOY ON THE
3:17:07PM WAY.
3:17:11PM BUT WE WERE PLAYING AT THE YANKEE COMPLEX, AND MY GOAL FOR
3:17:17PM OUR KIDS IS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PLAY ON THOSE TYPE OF
3:17:22PM FIELDS.
3:17:23PM IF YOU GO TO PINELLAS COUNTY AND LOOK AT THOSE FIELDS, AND
3:17:33PM THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO PROVIDE FOR THESE KID.
3:17:35PM I DON'T CARE IF THEY PLAY PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL.
3:17:39PM I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
3:17:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. RUSSO, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SOME OF
3:17:45PM THOSE PEOPLE HAVE 1:30 APPOINTMENTS.
3:17:48PM >> OH, I KNOW, I KNOW.
3:17:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU HAVE A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH PARKS
3:17:52PM AND RECREATION.
3:17:54PM YOU ALL NEED TO GET TOGETHER.
3:17:57PM >> YES, SIR.
3:17:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:18:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE THE GIRLS SOFTBALL TEAM TO WIN
3:18:07PM THE -- AND THE OTHER SIDE, WEST TAMPA, THE BOYS WON IT ONE
3:18:12PM YEAR, I FORGET WHAT YEAR IT WAS, AND GIRLS, I BELIEVE.
3:18:16PM THEY WON.
3:18:17PM >> WE WILL GET TOGETHER.

3:18:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND THE TEAM THAT MR. RUSSO PLAYED FOR,
3:18:21PM THE ONLY TEAM WOULD BE WEST TAMPA, AND URSULA'S TEAM, IN ONE
3:18:28PM YEAR.
3:18:29PM AND WE BEAT THEM BOTH, 3-2.
3:18:33PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:18:33PM HAVE A NICE DAY.
3:18:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.
3:18:36PM >> APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
3:18:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.
3:18:40PM FILE CM 22-73220 TO BE HEARD WITH AGENDA ITEM 14, CM
3:18:47PM 22-73825.
3:18:50PM >>REBECCA JOHNS: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
3:19:07PM YOU ASKED US TO COME BACK AND REPORT ON DIRECTORS INSURANCE
3:19:14PM REGARDING LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC OFFICIAL LIABILITY
3:19:16PM INSURANCE, AND ANY OPTIONS OUT THERE.
3:19:20PM I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED QUALIFIED AND UNITY OR
3:19:24PM ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE
3:19:27PM THAT IF COUNCIL IS SUED AS A BODY BECAUSE OF A VOTE THAT YOU
3:19:31PM TOOK, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY FROM THAT.
3:19:34PM SO IF YOU GET SUED, THAT WILL BE DISMISSED BASED ON THE
3:19:38PM IMMUNITY.
3:19:39PM IF YOU GET SUED AS AN INDIVIDUAL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY RARE,
3:19:43PM BUT IF YOU GET SUED AS AN INDIVIDUAL, THE CITY POLICY TRACKS
3:19:49PM WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN FLORIDA DO.
3:19:52PM SO THE CITY DECIDES -- THE CITY CAN REIMBURSE YOU, AND THEY

3:19:58PM DECIDE THAT BASED ON WHETHER IT BE ALLEGED ACTION OCCURRED
3:20:02PM DURING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE OFFICIAL DUTY AND OCCURRED
3:20:06PM WHILE THE OFFICIAL WAS SERVING A PUSH PURPOSE, AND THE
3:20:09PM OFFICIAL PREVAILED IN THE LITIGATION.
3:20:11PM SO IN THAT INSTANCE, ACROSS FLORIDA, YOU SEE THAT IS WHEN A
3:20:16PM CITY REIMBURSES FOR THE LEGAL FEES.
3:20:20PM IT'S A GENERAL FLORIDA RULE THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT
3:20:24PM PROVIDE A LEGAL DEFENSE FOR PAID OUTSIDE COUNCIL AT THE
3:20:28PM ON-SET OF THE LITIGATION, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE AT THE
3:20:31PM BEGINNING OF LITIGATION WHETHER THOSE FUNDS ARE MET.
3:20:34PM I KNOW WE ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT BUT I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT
3:20:36PM THERE AGAIN TO CLARIFY.
3:20:38PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, ASK THAT FIRST.
3:20:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. JOHNS?
3:20:45PM >>REBECCA JOHNS: WE HAVE OUR INSURANCE BROKER ALL THE WAY
3:20:50PM FROM TEXAS WHO NEEDS TO GET ON A PLANE.
3:20:54PM >> MY NAME IS VALERIE HORTON RICE.
3:20:57PM I AM THE CITY'S RISK MANAGER.
3:20:59PM GOOD TO SEE EACH OF YOU.
3:21:00PM WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SESSIONS WITH YOU SO THAT WE
3:21:03PM CAN GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
3:21:04PM AND VERY QUICKLY, WE ARE GETTING READY TO ENTER INTO OUR
3:21:09PM INSURANCE RENEWAL.
3:21:10PM IT IS A LONG PROCESS, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING READY TO DO
3:21:15PM THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING

3:21:19PM AT WAYS TO LOWER OUR SIR.
3:21:23PM THAT SELF-INSURANCE RETENTION.
3:21:25PM AND OUR BROKER IS HERE.
3:21:27PM HER NAME IS TRACY HARLOW.
3:21:29PM SHE WILL STEP UP FOR A MINUTE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER.
3:21:31PM DURING THAT PROCESS WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO GET QUOTES
3:21:34PM AND BE ABLE TO BRING THAT INFORMATION AND SHARE IT WITH YOU.
3:21:37PM AND I WILL PAUSE TO ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME AT
3:21:40PM THIS MOMENT.
3:21:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:21:44PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:21:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK YOU HEARD SOME OF OUR CONCERNS, SO
3:21:52PM I AM HOPING TO BRING THAT BACK.
3:21:59PM >> ABSOLUTELY. AND A FOOTNOTE TO THAT IS WE ARE AT THE
3:22:03PM MERCY OF THE INSURANCE MARKET, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY DO
3:22:05PM THAT, AND BASED ON THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THUS FAR, I
3:22:09PM HAVE TALKED WITH EACH OF YOU EXCEPT FOR ONE, AND SO I DO
3:22:12PM HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR FRUSTRATIONS,
3:22:16PM AND THAT INFORMATION WILL BE USED AS WE DO OUR RENEWAL FOR
3:22:19PM THE UPCOMING YEAR.
3:22:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
3:22:23PM >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK WITH OUR BROKER?
3:22:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DOES SHE HAVE INFORMATION?
3:22:36PM >> I THINK WHAT THEY PROVIDED TO YOU.
3:22:39PM REALLY WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT INSURANCE, I HEAR

3:22:42PM YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEDUCTIBLE AND RETENTION.
3:22:44PM THE POLICY AND CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFERENT.
3:22:48PM THEY ARE STILL GOING TO PROVIDE BASICALLY THE SAME COVERAGE
3:22:50PM AS YOU ARE SEEING.
3:22:53PM THEY ARE JUST GOING TO -- THE COVERAGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE
3:22:55PM IN THE POLICY MAY HAVE A LOWER DEDUCTIBLE.
3:22:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
3:22:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:23:00PM I ASSUME THAT FROM WHAT I HEARD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A VERY
3:23:08PM DIFFERENT TEXT, WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD TO BE, THE CITY WOULD
3:23:14PM PROVIDE COVERAGE FROM THEIR LEGAL STAFF, IF ONE OF THE
3:23:19PM COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR COUNCIL MEMBERS IN GENERAL, GET SUED BY
3:23:22PM AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY.
3:23:24PM AM I CORRECT?
3:23:27PM >> YES, I THINK SO.
3:23:29PM IF YOU GET SUED AS COUNCIL PERFORMING A COUNCIL FUNCTION,
3:23:33PM THEN YES.
3:23:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOW GETTING TO THE OTHER PART.
3:23:36PM HOWEVER, IF WE COMMIT AN ACT -- OR I COMMIT AN ACT, AND I'M
3:23:43PM TOLD YOU HAVE TO DO A, B AND C, AND I DON'T, THEN YOU ARE
3:23:48PM GOING TO TELL ME, I AM NOT GOING TO REPRESENT YOU.
3:23:51PM AM I CORRECT?
3:23:52PM >> WELL, IT DEPENDS WHAT A, B AND C ARE.
3:23:55PM IF IT'S CLEAR FROM THE ALLEGED ACT OR THE COMPLAINT THAT YOU
3:24:04PM WERE PERFORMING YOUR OFFICIAL DUTIES --

3:24:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RIGHT.
3:24:08PM AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS, THEN YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO TELL
3:24:10PM ME, YOU HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY, IF YOU WIN WE ARE GOING TO
3:24:14PM PAY YOUR ATTORNEY.
3:24:15PM AM I CORRECT?
3:24:16PM >> IF YOU WIN AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT YOU WERE ACTING IN
3:24:19PM YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND FURTHERING A PUBLIC PURPOSE, YES.
3:24:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO IN OTHER WORDS --
3:24:26PM >>REBECCA JOHNS: LET ME CLARIFY.
3:24:28PM I DON'T WANT TO STATE THAT IN A VACUUM.
3:24:31PM OF COURSE IT DEPENDS ON THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES.
3:24:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I GUESS I AM THE PRODUCT OF I WAS RAISED
3:24:39PM IF YOU DO SOMETHING WRONG, ME, NO ONE ELSE, IT'S UP TO YOU
3:24:42PM TO PAY FOR IT.
3:24:44PM MY FATHER TOLD ME THAT.
3:24:45PM MY MOTHER TOLD ME THAT.
3:24:47PM MY WHOLE FAMILY TOLD ME THAT.
3:24:49PM BECAUSE WHEN THEY RAISE, EVERYBODY RAISES YOU, NOT ONLY YOUR
3:24:52PM MOTHER AND FATHER WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, WHERE THERE'S A
3:24:55PM DIFFERENT PRESSURE ON YOU NOT TO MESS UP.
3:24:59PM I HAD TO CHANGE THE WORD MESS UP.
3:25:02PM I WAS GOING TO USE SOMETHING ELSE BUT I DIDN'T.
3:25:05PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:25:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:25:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CIRCUMSTANCES THE CIRCUMSTANCES COME INTO

3:25:13PM PLAY, THAT HAPPENS, AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT
3:25:19PM SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT GO AWRY AND THINGS THAT
3:25:23PM HAPPEN, AND YOU HAVE TO FIGHT ON YOUR OWN.
3:25:27PM SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S ANOTHER SITUATION AS WELL.
3:25:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
3:25:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN MY THING IS MAKING SURE YOU DON'T
3:25:35PM HAVE PERSONAL PEOPLE MAKING THEIR PERMANENT DECISIONS AND
3:25:39PM MAKING A DECISION AND MAKING PERSONAL FACTORS COME INTO
3:25:43PM PLAY.
3:25:43PM THAT'S MY CONCERN.
3:25:44PM >>REBECCA JOHNS: IS THAT IT?
3:25:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:25:53PM MR. SHELBY.
3:25:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
3:25:59PM THIS IS MY DAY TWO OF DAY THREE OF ME BEING BACK AND I
3:26:06PM WASN'T PRIVILEGE I TO THE CONVERSATION FOR THE PREVIOUS
3:26:09PM ITEM.
3:26:10PM I WASN'T AWARE THAT COUNCIL MET.
3:26:12PM IT IS RELEVANT TO MINE AND I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
3:26:15PM SPEAK TO OUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE
3:26:18PM QUESTION IS WHAT MS. JOHNS SAID, IF THAT'S RELATED TO THE
3:26:22PM DECISION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY PRESENTLY WITH REGARD TO THAT,
3:26:25PM AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN AN
3:26:27PM ISSUE REGARDING REIMBURSEMENT MYSELF, WHICH CREATES ANOTHER
3:26:31PM ISSUE.

3:26:31PM SO COUNCIL, IT'S A LONG AGENDA BUT I AM GOING TO ASK YOUR
3:26:34PM INDULGENCE IF YOU CAN CONTINUE THIS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO
3:26:38PM BE ABLE TO CATCH UP BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD IS A LOT
3:26:41PM OF WHAT I WOULD HAVE SAID.
3:26:43PM SO WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE LAW IS.
3:26:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN DO YOU WANT IT TO?
3:26:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU WANT TO COME BACK, MR. SHELBY?
3:26:55PM OCTOBER?
3:26:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE 6th?
3:27:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT WOULD GIVE YOU SUFFICIENT TIME, MR.
3:27:07PM SHELBY?
3:27:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE
3:27:09PM OPPORTUNITY -- I'LL TAKE THE 20th AND THAT WILL BE IT,
3:27:13PM SIR.
3:27:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MOVE.
3:27:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE ITEM 13, 14 FOR OCTOBER 20 AT
3:27:21PM 1:30.
3:27:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:27:28PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR OUR RECORD.
3:27:29PM >> RISK MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:27:33PM WE ARE GOING INTO RENEWAL, AND WE WON'T REALLY HAVE ANY
3:27:37PM ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING.
3:27:39PM OUR RENEWAL COSTS US, WE WILL BEGIN TO GET QUOTES AROUND
3:27:43PM FEBRUARY, EARLY MARCH, AND SO COMING BACK IN OCTOBER WE
3:27:47PM WOULD HAVE NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

3:27:51PM >> IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
3:27:53PM THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL TOGETHER UNLESS YOU WANT TO SET A
3:27:55PM SEPARATE DATE FOR IT OR THEY CAN COME BACK.
3:27:58PM >> ONCE WE GET THE INFORMATION.
3:27:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:28:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE THAT WE JUST -- WE JUST DO NUMBER 14,
3:28:09PM THAT WE FORWARD THAT, AND A THEN ALLOW NUMBER 13 TO COME
3:28:15PM BACK WHEN THEY HAVE AN ANSWER.
3:28:16PM >> WE ABSOLUTELY WILL DO THAT.
3:28:18PM AND THAT IS DUE IN THE RENEWAL PROCESS AND BRING ALL THE
3:28:22PM QUOTES AND INFORMATION TO YOU SO THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO REVIEW
3:28:24PM IT TO DETERMINE WHAT IT COVERS AND THE ACTUAL COST.
3:28:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
3:28:29PM SO OCTOBER 20th AT 1:30 FOR ITEM NUMBER 14.
3:28:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES HAVE IT TO BE 1:30?
3:28:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, 1:30 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
3:28:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ALREADY HAVE ONE MOTION, COUNCILMAN
3:28:49PM MIRANDA'S.
3:28:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY.
3:28:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE 20th.
3:28:58PM THAT'S NUMBER 14.
3:28:59PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:29:00PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:29:01PM NOW WE HAVE A MOTION COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR NUMBER 13.
3:29:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 13 IS DONE.

3:29:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK.
3:29:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:29:14PM THEY ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD.
3:29:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU MAKE A MOTION.
3:29:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, SORRY.
3:29:19PM MY FAULT.
3:29:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15.
3:29:22PM FILE CM 22-75288.
3:29:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I GUESS I AM NOT PRIVY TO DISCUSSION.
3:29:29PM I SPOKE WITH MR. MASSEY ABOUT IT VERY BRIEFLY.
3:29:32PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS AT THIS TIME, OR YOU
3:29:35PM CAN CONTINUE IT BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
3:29:37PM SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU.
3:29:39PM SO IT'S YOUR PLEASURE BUT I AM HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT COUNCIL
3:29:42PM HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.
3:29:45PM BUT IT'S LATE, AND IF COUNCIL WISHES TO CONTINUE IT --
3:29:48PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:29:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: UM, TO ME, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT COULD BE
3:29:53PM DEALT WITH UNDER THE SEPTEMBER 22ND WORKSHOP SESSION,
3:29:57PM BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS ACTUALLY KIND OF DEALS WITH THE
3:30:00PM CHARTER AND OUR STAFFING.
3:30:07PM >> I WOULD AGREE.
3:30:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT -- OH, YES, HERE
3:30:15PM IT IS.
3:30:17PM COUNCIL, THIS IS CHARTER AMENDMENTS, IN ADDITION, GIVE CITY

3:30:23PM COUNCIL THE RIGHT TO HIRE STAFF AND CONSULTANT SUBJECT TO
3:30:27PM APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR.
3:30:29PM SO LET'S COMBINE THIS.
3:30:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVE TO COMBINE ITEM 15 WITH NEXT
3:30:36PM WEEK'S WORKSHOP.
3:30:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SEPTEMBER 22ND WORKSHOP ABOUT HIRING STAFF
3:30:42PM AND OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS.
3:30:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHOSE MOTION IS THIS?
3:30:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND THAT.
3:30:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:30:51PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:30:53PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:30:54PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:30:55PM I BELIEVE 16 WAS CONTINUED OCTOBER 17th.
3:30:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT YET.
3:31:03PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, DEVELOPMENT AND
3:31:07PM GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
3:31:09PM ITEMS 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 AND 21, THOSE WERE THE PUBLICLY
3:31:18PM INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN WE WORKSHOPPED WITH
3:31:20PM YOU ON JUNE 23rd.
3:31:22PM THIS IS ALLOWING ADUs ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN
3:31:26PM NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, ALLOWING EXTENDED FAMILY
3:31:28PM RESIDENCES IN NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, ACCESS TO LOCAL
3:31:34PM STREET, ALLOWING SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND MULTIFAMILY
3:31:37PM WITHIN THE CITY'S OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.

3:31:41PM WHAT I DID WAS I PROVIDED YOU WITH A MEMO, I PROVIDED YOU
3:31:44PM WITH THE DRAFT LANGUAGE TODAY, IN ANTICIPATION OF ASKING
3:31:48PM THAT WE COME ON OCTOBER 22ND TO WORKSHOP THESE ITEMS WITH
3:31:51PM YOU.
3:31:52PM THIS ALLOWS SOME TIME NOW FOR REVIEW OF THAT LANGUAGE.
3:31:55PM IT ALLOWS IT FOR THE PUBLIC.
3:31:58PM ERIC COTTON IS WAITING TILL YOU MAKE A MOTION TODAY, AND
3:32:01PM THEN WE WILL GET IT UPLOADED ON OUR WEBSITE WITH THE
3:32:04PM APPLICABLE DATES.
3:32:05PM SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE.
3:32:07PM WE ARE GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING ON
3:32:10PM SEPTEMBER 28th TO GET AN INITIAL DISCUSSION GOING WITH
3:32:15PM THE PUBLIC ON THESE, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE INITIAL
3:32:18PM BRIEFING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PREPARE TO COME TO YOU
3:32:22PM WITH A WORKSHOP.
3:32:23PM BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY, PROVIDE
3:32:25PM THAT LANGUAGE UPFRONT AND ASK FOR THOSE DATES TODAY.
3:32:28PM AND THAT WILL CLEAR THOSE ITEMS.
3:32:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL?
3:32:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT LANGUAGE PROVIDED BY E-MAIL TODAY?
3:32:40PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
3:32:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'LL CATCH UP.
3:32:43PM THANK YOU.
3:32:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A COPY.
3:32:46PM IT'S IN UNIX.

3:32:49PM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS AND
3:32:53PM I HAVE READ THESE, AND AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO -- I REALLY
3:32:57PM WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION, AND PLANNING
3:33:00PM COMMISSION BRIEFING, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO
3:33:03PM GET US TO THIS POINT.
3:33:04PM AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORKSHOP, WHERE WE CAN REALLY
3:33:10PM FINALIZE OR AT LEAST GET THESE FURTHER SETTLED.
3:33:17PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YOU WILL REMEMBER IN OCTOBER WE ALSO HAD
3:33:19PM MAKING ADUs A SPECIFIED USE SO THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE
3:33:23PM KIND OF THIS LANGUAGE BUT IT'S A TWO-STONE PROCESS MAKING
3:33:26PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING A SPECIFIED USE, OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING A
3:33:29PM SPECIFIED USE, AND THEN ALSO SOME BONUS DENSITY DISCUSSION.
3:33:36PM SO WE HAVE THOSE AS WELL, SO IT WILL BE A VERY FULL DAY.
3:33:39PM I BELIEVE YOU ARE ALSO HAVING A MEMO COME FROM MS. DOCK ON
3:33:43PM TWO PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT THAT ARE ALSO BEING ASKED
3:33:45PM TO BE WORKSHOPPED ON THAT DAY AND THAT WAS THE DESIGNATED
3:33:49PM GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP DAY.
3:33:50PM SO THANK YOU.
3:33:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:33:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:33:54PM ON ITEM NUMBER 16, I TALKED TO YOU YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE ON
3:33:58PM IT.
3:33:59PM I AM NOT AGAINST IT, BUT I FEEL THAT THE CITY, IN ORDER TO
3:34:03PM COVER ITSELF, YOU HAVE TO PROVE TO ME THAT THAT'S OF VALUE,
3:34:08PM AND YOU CAN DO THAT, WHO YOUR MOTHER IS, YOUR FATHER IS,

3:34:16PM YOUR AUNT, UNCLE, AND WHEN THEY HAVE THAT DOCUMENTATION THEN
3:34:19PM I AM NOT AGAINST IT.
3:34:20PM BUT TODAY, I KNOW HUNDREDS AND MAYBE THOUSANDS OF HOMES THAT
3:34:26PM ARE NOT PAYING THE AD VALOREM TAX AND THEY GOT THE HOUSE
3:34:32PM DIVIDED INTO FOUR PIECES.
3:34:34PM THEY ARE RENTING ROOMS.
3:34:35PM THEY ARE NOT STAYING IN BEDS 25 TO 30%.
3:34:39PM THE WHOLLY THING IS RESIDENTIAL UNDER ONE PERSON'S NAME AND
3:34:43PM THERE'S THREE FAMILIES LIVING THERE AND THEY ARE RENTING IT
3:34:45PM OUT, NOT PAYING THE AD VALOREM TAX LIKE THREE AND A HALF
3:34:48PM TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND OTHER, TO HAVE
3:34:52PM MONEY FOR THE TEACHERS, OR ANY TEACHERS.
3:34:56PM I HAVE GOT TO HAVE MORE PROOF THAN JUST A SIGNED DOCUMENT
3:34:58PM THAT, YEAH, THAT'S MY RELATIVE. TO ME, I TRUST BUT I ALWAYS
3:35:03PM LIKE TO VERIFY.
3:35:04PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: UNDERSTOOD.
3:35:08PM THANK YOU.
3:35:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
3:35:10PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
3:35:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
3:35:17PM I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
3:35:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE -- THE 27th OF OCTOBER.
3:35:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
3:35:29PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:35:31PM ALL IN FAVOR?

3:35:32PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:35:33PM THANK YOU.
3:35:34PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22.
3:35:36PM FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 21.
3:35:43PM >>MCLAIN EVANS: ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.
3:35:46PM FIRST READING OF A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
3:35:49PM STAFF IS MODIFYING SECTION 21-116 AND 116.1 TO ELIMINATE
3:35:56PM CONFLICTING REFERENCES TO THE STORMWATER STANDARDS MANUAL,
3:35:59PM AND TO THE DEPARTMENT.
3:36:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS THAT NUMBER 17?
3:36:07PM >> 22.
3:36:09PM I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT.
3:36:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:36:15PM SEEING NONE, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:36:21PM >> MOVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
3:36:28PM READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
3:36:32PM FLORIDA AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER
3:36:35PM 21, ARTICLE 3, SECTION 21-116 AND ARTICLE 4, SECTION
3:36:40PM 21-116.1, ELIMINATING CONFLICTING STORMWATER TECHNICAL
3:36:45PM STANDARDS MANUAL EDITION REFERENCES, CORRECTION DEPARTMENT
3:36:50PM NAME, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
3:36:53PM CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
3:36:56PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:36:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WASN'T SURE -- IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE
3:37:06PM HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE SOMEONE BUYS A HOUSE, AND HAS GOT PART

3:37:11PM OF IT, THE PAVERS OR CONCRETE, AND THEN IT SETTLED, AND THEN
3:37:17PM DO YOU HAVE A WAY OF FINDING OUT WHAT'S GOING ON?
3:37:20PM BECAUSE THEY SHOULD PAY A HIGHER RATE.
3:37:23PM THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS SHOULDN'T PAY THAT.
3:37:27PM >>MCLANE EVANS: I APOLOGIZE, I DO NOT HAVE STAFF ON THE WAY
3:37:30PM BECAUSE I THOUGHT QUESTIONS WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO
3:37:32PM THE LANGUAGE CHANGED.
3:37:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS FIRST READING SO WE HAVE TIME
3:37:36PM BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING?
3:37:37PM >> YES, SIR.
3:37:38PM I WILL FORWARD TO STAFF.
3:37:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED
3:37:42PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:37:43PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:37:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:37:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:37:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES CARL.
3:37:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:37:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:37:52PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
3:37:54PM ABSENT.
3:37:55PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 6th,
3:37:58PM 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
3:38:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:38:03PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23.

3:38:04PM FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:38:07PM >>LACHONE DOCK: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:38:16PM COUNCIL, ITEM NUMBER 23 IS BEFORE YOU FOR FIRST READING.
3:38:20PM THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
3:38:24PM THE APPLICANT IS RICKY PETERIKA, TO AMEND SEVERAL SECTIONS
3:38:29PM OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES CODE.
3:38:32PM SOME OF IT IS CLEAN-UP, AND MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING
3:38:35PM TABLES, JUST TO CLARIFY CERTAIN STANDARDS.
3:38:38PM IT INCLUDES REVISION TO THE DEFINITION SECTION OF THE CODE
3:38:43PM FOR THE DEFINITION OF GRAND TREE, AND THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED
3:38:48PM BY STAFF, THE APPLICANT WAS NATURAL RESOURCES IN THIS
3:38:53PM LANGUAGE AND STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS REQUEST.
3:38:56PM THE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING WAS HELD IN MAY, JUST TO GIVE
3:38:59PM YOU AN IDEA ON THE TIMING AND THE PROCESSING SCHEDULE.
3:39:03PM IT WAS BEFORE YOU FOR WORKSHOP, COUNCIL, IN JUNE, AND IT
3:39:07PM WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST, AND THE
3:39:09PM PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A RECOMMENDATION OF CONSISTENT.
3:39:12PM AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS THERE IN CHAMBERS, RICKY
3:39:17PM PETERIKA IS THERE AND I WILL LET HIM SPEAK.
3:39:21PM IT IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.
3:39:23PM I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
3:39:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF?
3:39:27PM >> RICKY PETERIKA, I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
3:39:34PM WE PRESENTED THIS WORKSHOP ABOUT 45 DAYS AGO, THOUGHT IT
3:39:40PM WOULDN'T PRETTY SMOOTHLY, AND I CAN ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS

3:39:45PM THAT COUNCIL HAS BUT DECIDED TO SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS GET
3:39:50PM ON THE BOOKS.
3:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PETERIKA?
3:39:53PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:39:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:39:55PM MR. PETERIKA, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE HERE BUT I
3:39:58PM WANT TO MAKE SURE, I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
3:40:00PM THIS, BUT WHAT I LIKE TO SEE FOR CLARITY ON, WHEN SOMETHING
3:40:04PM COMES IN AND YOU HAVE SO MANY TREES AND YOU HAVE TO PLANT
3:40:08PM SOMEWHERE ELSE, IS THERE A MECHANISM, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE,
3:40:11PM WHERE YOU KNOW THE TREES ARE GOING AND YOU PUT MONEY INTO
3:40:13PM THE PLAN?
3:40:18PM >> TO MY KNOWLEDGE I DON'T THINK THERE IS THAT.
3:40:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:40:26PM THANK YOU.
3:40:28PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:40:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:40:32PM I WOULD LIKE TO READ AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
3:40:35PM READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
3:40:37PM FLORIDA RELATING TO LANDSCAPING AND GRAND TREES MAKING
3:40:40PM REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27
3:40:42PM ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43
3:40:46PM DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-211-13, LANDSCAPING,
3:40:50PM AMENDING SECTION 27-284 .1.2, TREES-PROTECTED, GRAND, AND
3:40:57PM EXEMPT TREES, MEASUREMENT METHODS, AMENDING SECTION

3:40:59PM 27-284.3.1, LANDSCAPE AND TREE PLANTING STANDARDS, TREE
3:41:04PM PRESERVATION RETENTION, STANDARDS, AMENDING SECTION
3:41:08PM 27-284.3.3, LANDSCAPED AREA AND TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS
3:41:12PM AND CREATING SECTION 27-283.16 BICYCLE PARKING REPEALING ALL
3:41:16PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH
3:41:19PM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:41:21PM >> SECOND.
3:41:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:41:25PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:41:26PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:41:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
3:41:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:41:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:41:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:41:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:41:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:41:34PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
3:41:37PM ABSENT.
3:41:37PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 6th,
3:41:41PM 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
3:41:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:41:45PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:41:50PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.
3:41:55PM LACHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:41:57PM COUNCIL, ITEM 24 IS A ANOTHER PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT

3:42:01PM AMENDMENT.
3:42:01PM THE APPLICATION IS ANGELA PROVERB.
3:42:04PM SHE IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CDP WHICH IS CENTRAL
3:42:08PM BUSINESS DISTRICT, SIGN STANDARD.
3:42:11PM THE REQUEST INCLUDES AMENDING SOME OF THE GENERAL SIGN
3:42:15PM REQUIREMENTS WHICH ARE FOUND IN TABLE 183.1.
3:42:19PM THIS WOULD ALSO MODIFY CERTAIN FOOTNOTES WITHIN THAT TABLE.
3:42:23PM THIS IS REGARDING THE ORIENTATION OF SIGNAGE IN WHAT IS
3:42:26PM CONSIDERED FRONTAGE, AND THE ALLOWANCE OF SIGNAGE ON ANY
3:42:30PM FRONTAGE.
3:42:31PM THIS ALSO INCLUDES ADDING SIGN LANGUAGE FROM THE SIGN CODE
3:42:36PM WHICH WOULD APPLY CITY-WIDE TO THE CDB DISTRICT WHICH IS A
3:42:40PM SPECIAL DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY.
3:42:41PM AND STAFF REVIEWED THE REQUEST, HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS
3:42:44PM REQUEST.
3:42:45PM THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WAS ON THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE PREVIOUS
3:42:48PM TEXT AMENDMENT.
3:42:50PM IT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST.
3:42:52PM THE RECOMMENDATION WAS A FINDING OF CONSISTENT.
3:42:54PM AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS THERE IN CHAMBERS.
3:42:57PM IF NOT, SHE IS PRESENT ONLINE.
3:43:00PM AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
3:43:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:43:06PM >> I AM ANGELA RAUBER WITH HILL, WARD, HENDERSON, 101 EAST
3:43:15PM KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

3:43:15PM IN THE INTEREST OF TIME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS
3:43:17PM SPECIFICALLY, THEN I CAN ANSWER THOSE, IF YOU WANT A FULL
3:43:20PM PRESENTATION I AM HAPPY TO SHARE THAT AS WELL.
3:43:23PM BASICALLY AS MS. DOCK SAID, WE ARE LOOKING TO KIND OF
3:43:30PM PROVIDE THE CODE IN A SIMPLE WAY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE
3:43:33PM PEDESTRIAN VERSUS THE CITY-WIDE STANDARDS THAT CURRENTLY
3:43:37PM APPLY.
3:43:38PM WHEN THE CDB CODE WAS AMENDED THE SIGN CODE WAS ONLY AMENDED
3:43:41PM TO ALLOW TO ACCOMMODATE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, BUT EVERY OTHER
3:43:46PM PROVISION BACK TO LIKE THE GENERAL STANDARD THAT ARE IN THE
3:43:51PM CODE.
3:43:51PM SO THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SPECIFICALLY
3:43:55PM PRACTICED FOR CBD THAT DEALS WITH THE TYPES OF SIGNAGE SO
3:43:59PM THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE WITH SIMPLE
3:44:01PM CHANGES.
3:44:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:44:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO WOULD THIS
3:44:08PM BE TO ALLOW SIGNS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ARE WALKING DOWN
3:44:12PM FRANKLIN STREET AND A BUSINESS WANTS TO PUT A SIGN OVERHEAD
3:44:16PM IN FRONT OF THEIR ENTRANCE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, THIS WOULD
3:44:20PM PERTAIN TO THAT, CORRECT?
3:44:21PM >> IT DOES.
3:44:22PM AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY ALLOWED IN CODE.
3:44:24PM SO THERE'S NOTHING PROHIBITING A PROJECTING SIGN IN CBD
3:44:31PM CURRENTLY.

3:44:31PM IT'S JUST WHEN YOU GO TO THAT SPECIFIC REGULATION YOU HAVE
3:44:33PM TO LOOK BACK TO GENERAL STANDARD, AND IT'S CRAFTED FOR A
3:44:38PM MORE SUBURBAN PART OF TOWN.
3:44:40PM AND THAT'S NO STRIP CENTER ALONG KENNEDY.
3:44:44PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
3:44:45PM THAT BUILDING HAS FRONTAGE MAYBE ON ONLY ONE SIDE.
3:44:51PM IN A SIMPLE BUSINESS DISTRICT YOU HAVE FRONTAGE ON ALL FOUR
3:44:54PM SIDES.
3:44:55PM SO YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE IS THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE.
3:44:58PM AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T WORK FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE
3:45:03PM MULTI-STORY.
3:45:04PM SO THE CBD CODE DID ADDRESS HAVING SIGNS THAT ARE ALLOWED
3:45:10PM ONLY ON GROUND LEVEL AND ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, SO YOU
3:45:15PM CAN'T HAVE SIGNS IN BETWEEN THOSE LEVELS.
3:45:18PM BUT WHAT IT DIDN'T DO WAS MAKE THOSE SIGNS THAT PROJECT ON
3:45:22PM THE BUILDING PEDESTRIAN SCALE.
3:45:24PM SO THE TEN FOOT, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE
3:45:28PM ASKING IS THAT THE SIGNS, THE CLEARANCE FROM THE GROUND,
3:45:33PM ONLY NINE FEET, WHICH IS A PEDESTRIAN SCALE HEIGHT, VERSUS
3:45:37PM TEN FEET WHICH WOULD BE FOR A MORE SUBURBAN KIND OF
3:45:41PM ENVIRONMENT.
3:45:41PM SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING WITH
3:45:43PM THESE CHANGES.
3:45:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO IT'S BASICALLY TAKING IT BACK TO 16
3:45:47PM YEARS AGO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THERE WAS A LOT OF NEON.

3:45:50PM AGAIN, I USE FRANKLIN STREET BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE.
3:45:56PM A VERY FAMOUS -- NOT FAMOUS BUT A PICTURE OF FRANKLIN STREET
3:46:00PM IN 1956 BUT IT'S SIGNS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHERE
3:46:03PM EVERYONE ENCOURAGED THE PEDESTRIAN ASPECT OF IT BECAUSE
3:46:07PM BUSINESSES, OFFICE, RESTAURANTS, WHATEVER.
3:46:09PM SO GOOD.
3:46:10PM >> I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS EVEN
3:46:17PM MORE LIKE WHAT YOU SAW ON FRANKLIN STREET IN 1956.
3:46:21PM THAT WOULD BE MY IDEAL SITUATION TO PRESENT TO YOU.
3:46:24PM WE ARE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING WITH LIGHTING OR ANYTHING OF
3:46:26PM THAT NATURE.
3:46:27PM WE TRIED TO KEEP THESE PROPOSED CHANGES VERY MINIMAL, BUT
3:46:32PM THE DESIGNS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE
3:46:35PM ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
3:46:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD.
3:46:37PM I THINK WE DID IT RIGHT A LONG TIME AGO, JUST LIKE THE
3:46:40PM STREETCAR, BUT WE TORE IT UP, WE GOT RID OF ALL THE NEON.
3:46:44PM THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
3:46:45PM BUT WE MADE THESE UPDATES AND CHANGED OUR CODE OVER THE
3:46:48PM YEARS TO MODERNIZE, AND NOW WE REALIZE WE DID IT RIGHT THE
3:46:52PM FIRST TIME AND MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK BACK.
3:46:55PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:46:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:46:58PM THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:46:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOVE FILE NUMBER E-20-22-8 CHAPTER 27,

3:47:08PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING K AN ORDINANCE
3:47:10PM OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO BUILDING SIGNS,
3:47:14PM MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER
3:47:17PM 27 ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-183,
3:47:23PM GENERAL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, REPEALING ALL
3:47:26PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH,
3:47:30PM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:47:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:47:35PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:47:37PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:47:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:47:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:47:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:47:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:47:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
3:47:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:47:47PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOU