TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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[GAVEL SOUNDING]
09:03:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING, THE MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 15,
2022.
MY NAME IS JOSEPH CITRO AND I WILL BE CHAIRING THIS MEETING.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE INVOCATION.
09:03:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DO.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PASTOR GOT DOWNSTAIRS AND SHIFTED IN THE
WRONG BUILDING, AND THEY ARE BRINGING HIM OUT.
09:04:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF EVERYONE CAN PLEASE RISE, WE WILL DO THE
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR COUNTRY AT THIS TIME.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AT THIS TIME, LET'S BE SEATED UNTIL THE PASTOR GETS HERE FOR
INVOCATION.
ROLL CALL.
09:04:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:04:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:04:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:04:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:04:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:04:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M HERE AS WELL.
09:04:42AM >>CLERK:
OFF PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE
COUNCILMAN CARLSON VIA THE INTERNET PASTOR, WE ARE WAITING
ON YOU.
IF EVERYONE CAN PLEASE RISE.
09:05:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME INTRODUCE THE PASTOR.
I HAVE THE PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE ELDER PAUL BUSTER.
2022, HE WAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO BE THE NEW PASTOR AT HIS
CHURCH IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
20 YEARS, THE FOLLOWING PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED.
BUILDING SCHOLARSHIP, FEED MY SHEEP.
THE SATURDAY SANCTUARY, MISSION IN MOTION.
PASTOR IS AFFILIATED WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF PROGRESSIVE
EQUALITY, UNITED YOUNG MEN OF CLERGYMEN.
AND PASTOR IS MARRIED TO BRIDGET, WHO THEY HAVE FIVE CHILDREN
AND TEN GRANDCHILDREN.
I WELCOME PASTOR BUSTER.
09:05:49AM >> THANK YOU.
BY HIS FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SEE THIS DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR BEING SO GOOD TO US AND SO KIND TO US, SO
MERCIFUL AND SO GRACIOUS.
FATHER GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE LEADERSHIP TO OUR LEADERS
OF THIS CITY.
FATHER GOD, ALLOW US TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR CITIZENS OF
THIS CITY.
FATHER GOD, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU COVER THEM WITH YOUR BLOOD.
THAT YOU BE A FENCE AROUND THEM.
THAT YOU GIVE THEM GUIDANCE.
THAT YOU GIVE THEM LET.
THAT THEY WILL KNOW WHICH WAY TO DO.
WHICH WAY TO GO.
AND WHAT TO DO IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
09:06:24AM >> AMEN.
09:06:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, PASTOR.
09:06:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
09:06:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:06:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO MY COLLEAGUES.
YOU MAY HEAR FROM MY VOICE THAT I AM AT HOME WITH COVID.
AND THE FIRST TIME I HAVE GOTTEN IT.
AND OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT GOING TO COME INTO CHAMBERS AND PUT
EVERYBODY ELSE AT RISK.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING THERE IN PERSON.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S FLEXIBILITY.
09:06:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
CAN WE GET A LITTLE MORE VOLUME ON COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
WE WILL GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME.
CHIEF, ARE YOU GOING TO HELP US THROUGH THE -- OKAY.
I AM SORRY, MR. -- MR. SHELBY.
09:07:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE
COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I WILL BE BRIEF ON THE GUIDELINES.
THE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC CAN ATTEND IN PERSON OR IN CITY
COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR THIS REGULAR MEETING TO ARE VIRTUALLY
PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING USED AS WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS
COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
THE INSTRUCTION OF THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S
WEB PAGE AND ALSO THAT IS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL AND ALSO,
COUNCIL, THAT -- JUST A REMINDER TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY IN
PUBLIC HEARINGS THE USE OF CMT, PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED.
AGAIN THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE AGENDA AND WILL BE
AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE.
THE PUBLIC OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ABLE TO
WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW ON SPECTRUM 640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15.
COUNCIL, CONSISTENT WITH THE AGENDA AND THE -- THE NOTICE OF
THE HEARING, I WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL WAIVE THE RULES TO
ALLOW CMT.
09:08:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO MOVED.
09:08:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:08:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU.
NOW WE WILL GO TO THE AGENDA ITEM.
AGENDA ITEMS 1, 2 AND 3.
THEY ARE CEREMONIAL.
CHIEF, ARE YOU THERE?
ARE YOU GOING TO BE GIVING US AN ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE?
09:08:55AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
ONLY ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE COMES THROUGH ABBYE FEELEY'S
OFFICE.
SO, YES.
09:09:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEMS 4 AND 5 WE ARE KEEPING ON.
MISS FEELEY HAS ASKED -- EXCUSE ME, I AM SORRY THAT 7 AND 8
BE HEARD TOGETHER.
9 I BELIEVE WANTS TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL NOVEMBER 3.
09:09:20AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGE 789.
WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 9 UNTIL NOVEMBER 3.
09:09:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
09:09:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:09:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
NUMBER 10.
09:09:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
YES, MISS JOHNS, I THINK, WILL BE SPEAKING ON THAT, IF I MAY.
09:10:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 11 WANTS TO ASK FOR A 30-DAY
CONTINUANCE -- EXCUSE ME A LONGER CONTINUANCE UNTIL OCTOBER
20.
09:10:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CONTINUE TO OCTOBER 20, 2022.
09:10:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:10:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
NUMBER 12, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:10:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, I THINK THEY ARE HERE.
09:10:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME, AND NUMBER 13 WILL BE HEARD WITH
NUMBER 12 -- 13 AND 14 WILL BE HEARD.
15?
THAT IS ALSO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
16.
WE WILL BE HEARING THAT.
I BELIEVE ABBYE -- EXCUSE ME MISS FEELEY, 18, 19, 20 AND 21
IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER.
09:10:58AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, COUNCIL.
09:11:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONSENT AGENDA.
I BELIEVE THE ONLY THING THAT IS BEING PULLED, AND CORRECT
ME IS 58.
IS BEING REMOVED.
09:11:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO WITHDRAW 58.
09:11:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
AYE.
OKAY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER -- OH, WE HAVE TO OPEN THOSE AT
1:30.
MOTION TO MOVE THE AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE.
THANK YOU.
WE WILL START WITH OUR FIRST CEREMONIAL ITEM.
FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
[APPLAUSE]
09:13:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, HONORABLE
COUNCILMEMBERS.
MY PLEASURE TO BE STANDING WITH THE CHIEF OF THE LOGISTICS &
ASSET MANAGEMENT ALSO KNOWN AS LAM AND ALL THE INDIVIDUALS
THAT WORK UNDER THAT GREAT, GREAT DEPARTMENT.
WITHOUT THEM, THE DOORS WOULDN'T OPEN, THE TOILETS WOULDN'T
FLUSH, THE ELECTRICITY WOULDN'T WORK, THE BUILDING WILL BE
DILAPIDATED AND THE PAINT WILL BE FALLING OFF ALL THE
BUILDINGS, INDOORS AND OUTDOORS.
ANY TIME YOU COME HERE, YOU THINK THEY ARE IN THE CIRCUS
HANGING SOMEWHERE FROM THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WITH A
DRILL AND JUST DRILLING AWAY TRYING TO FIND WHATEVER THE
PROBLEM IS.
AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO STOP AND LEAVE HER TO SPEAK OF
THE DEPARTMENT SHE IS IN CHARGE OF.
09:14:03AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MARLOWE, ADRI COLINA DIRECTOR OF
FACILITIES AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
MY PRIVILEGE AND HONOR TO WORK ALONGSIDE THESE SKILLED,
TALENTED AND DEDICATED TRADES WORKERS.
HVAC, GENERAL PLUMBERS, ALL THE TRADES, ALL OF THEM.
NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AT TRADESMEN DAY BUT WE ARE TRADES
WORKERS LOOKING TO OPEN IT TO WOMEN.
WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD APPLICANTS.
BUT I EXPECT THANK THIS TEAM ENOUGH.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS RIGHT, FROM CITY HALL TO THE REC
CENTERS TO THE FIRE STATION.
THIS IS THE TEAM BEHIND THE SCENES AND I AM JUST SO PROUD
AND I CELEBRATE YOU, NOT ONLY TODAY BUT EVERY DAY.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:14:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AS YOU WELL KNOW DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY
KEEP US SAFE.
OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY KEEP US AWAY FROM FIRES AND
EMERGENCIES TRAVELING TO AND FROM HOSPITALS, BUT THIS
DEPARTMENT, THE ONE THAT KEEP THE BUILDINGS WHERE ALL OF US
WORK NOT ONLY HERE BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WHERE YOU CAN
COME IN AND OUT WITHOUT SOMETHING FALLING ON YOU.
AND THESE DOORS THAT YOU SEE ALL THE ELECTRICAL DOORS.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE THAT IS MODERNIZE.
BULLET-PROOF WINDOWS -- I DON'T REALLY KNOW, AND I DON'T
WANT TO KNOW.
THEY DID ALL THE WORK.
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THESE GREAT PEOPLE, NO MATTER WHAT
THEY EARN IN THE CITY, WHAT THEY WOULD EARN OUTSIDE WILL BE
A LOT MORE BUT WOULDN'T HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WORKING FOR
YOU.
THEY ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE CITY AND BECAUSE
THEY WANT TO BE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE
ELSE CAN LOOK AT A BUILDING THAT IS IS A LITTLE OLDER THAN
ME, THIS BUILDING HERE, AND BE IN TIP-TOP SHAPE LIKE IT IS.
FOR ALL THE TRADESPEOPLE HERE, ALL OF YOU FROM THE TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS, WE SAY THANK YOU.
IF WE SAY THANK YOU IT WOULD BE AN UPROAR WHERE SOMEWHERE
ELSE.
IN RECOGNITION OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
LOGISTICS & ASSET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT FACILITIES
MANAGEMENT DIVISION CELEBRATION OF 2022 NATIONAL TRADES
WORKERS DAY, IT IS WITH PLEASURE OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
TO COMMEND AND RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR EXCELLENT SERVICE,
APPRECIATION AND DEDICATION OF KEEPING OUR CITIES, PARKS
SAFE, FUNCTIONAL AND SECURE.
EACH OF THE 34 TRADES WORKERS PROVIDE SKILLED ESSENTIAL
WORKERS IN MECHANICAL, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL TRADE TO
VARIOUS CITY OF TAMPA DEPARTMENTS AND SERVING ALL OF THE
CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
ENSURE SAFE AND COMFORTABLE WORKING ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL OF
US.
PLEASE KNOW YOUR EFFORTS ARE RECOGNIZED AND VALUED.
WE SAY THAT AGAIN.
RECOGNIZED AND VALUED.
THE CITY OF TAMPA FEEL VERY PROUD TO HONOR YOU THIS DAY AND
THIS MORNING.
YOU SHOULD BE HONORED EVERY DAY.
WHAT YOU DO IS UNBELIEVABLE.
WHO GETS THIS.
09:17:07AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
TRAVIS, DO YOU WANT TO RECEIVE.
09:17:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WITH A NAME LIKE THAT, I AM NOT GOING TO
PRONOUNCE IT.
09:17:14AM >> CLOSE ENOUGH.
09:17:16AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:17:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S GO TO COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:17:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THANK YOU FOR BRING THIS FORWARD.
IT IS VERY THOUGHTFUL OF YOU TO HONOR THIS WORK AND WE HONOR
ALL THE INDIVIDUALS HERE FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND
KEEPING THE CITY RUNNING ON TIME.
AND YOU ALL REPRESENT THE IDEA THAT YOU GET UP EVERY DAY AND
YOU WORK HARD USING YOUR SKILLS THAT YOU HAVE FOR LIFE THAT
NO ONE GOD WILLING EVER TAKE AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU ARE USING
FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA TO KEEP US RUNNING ON TIME.
FOR ME AND FOR EVERYBODY HERE, THAT IS A REALLY HONORABLE
ENDEAVOR.
IT REALLY, REALLY IS.
I THANK YOU, GUYS ARE ARE EVERY DAY FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU.
09:17:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:17:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
YOU ARE ALWAYS WORKING HARD.
TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING.
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU IS OUT THERE.
IF SOMETHING COMES UP, YOU ARE THERE.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DAY, WHAT TIME.
YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING.
YOU ARE THE UNSUNG HEROES.
AS YOU KNOW WITH COVID, WITH REARRANGE THIS ROOM AND
UPGRADES AND UPDATES HERE ON THIS FLOOR AND THROUGHOUT THIS
BUILDING, YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE.
SOME OF THE HARDEST -- IF NOT THE HARDEST WORKING
INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FAMILY.
WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU.
I SEE YOU.
WE SAY GOOD MORNING.
MAYBE THAT IS ALL WE SAY IS GOOD MORNING.
HI, HOW ARE YOU.
BUT KNOW THAT WE ARE WATCHING AND WE APPRECIATE BECAUSE WE
KNOW HOW HARD YOU WORK.
AND YOU DO A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL JOB.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CONGRATULATIONS.
09:18:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:18:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SAY I RECOGNIZE SOME FACES IN THE
CROWD BECAUSE I HAD THE PLEASURE OF HAVING YOU ALL DO SOME
WORK FOR ME.
SO I APPRECIATE IT, EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO, EVERYWHERE THAT
YOU GO.
THE CITY -- THE CITY BUILDINGS LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.
EVERYTHING -- IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM IT IS FIXED RIGHT AWAY,
AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT YOU.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK.
I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING MORE OF YOU.
09:19:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:19:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM LOOKING FOR MY MAN.
I DON'T SEE HIM ANYWHERE.
I CALL HIM BIG MAN.
WHERE IS HE AT?
THERE HE IS.
THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS MY MAN.
THAT'S MY MAN RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S MY MAN.
AGAIN, WHEN CALLED UPON, YOU GET THE JOB DONE, JOBS THAT
PEOPLE CAN'T DO, DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO, DON'T WANT TO DO.
WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO.
PAINTING OUR OFFICE.
PEOPLE COME IN.
WANT A DIFFERENT COLOR.
RUSH TO DO IT.
CHANGING LIGHT BULBS AND DOOR LOCKS.
EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS TODAY.
09:19:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:19:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO THANK YOU AS WELL.
BECAUSE YOU DO YOUR JOB SO WELL YOU ENABLE US IN THE REST OF
THE BUILDING TO GET OUR JOBS DONE.
IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT, NONE OF THE REST OF THE CITY
COULD FUNCTION.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ONE LAST THING.
I WAS LOOKING AT OLD PICTURES, ANTIQUE PICTURES OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA A FEW DAYS AGO, AND VERY PROUD THAT THIS BUILDING
THAT YOU ALL ARE IN IS STILL THERE AND YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF
KEEPING UP THIS IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING AS WELL AS THE
REST.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:20:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU KNOW I PASS ALL OF YOU NO MATTER HERE AT
CITY HALL OR OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND I SAY I NEED THIS OR I
NEED A CUPLER FOR THAT AND I NEED THIS AND MY AID NEEDS
SOMETHING.
I AM ALWAYS SAYING THAT I NEED SOMETHING FROM YOU.
TODAY I AM SAYING I NEED YOU.
CITY NEEDS YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF OUR FAMILY.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO
[APPLAUSE]
09:21:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, THAT THE JACKSON HOUSE BEHIND
YOU?
09:21:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE DEAN MITCHELL PAINTING.
09:21:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHAT IS ON YOUR
COFFEE MUG.
09:21:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE DO.
ONE FOR MARTHA VILA AND ALSO THE YBOR CITY ONE.
09:21:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OH, OKAY.
09:21:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN .
09:21:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MIRANDA IS MR. SPEARMAN HERE.
09:21:55AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
I AM.
09:21:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS PRESENTATION IS GIVEN SO OFTEN TO
THIS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE EVERY TIME YEAR AFTER YEAR THEY WIN
AN AWARD.
RECOGNITION FOR NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL WHO RUNS THE
DEPARTMENT BUT EVERY INDIVIDUAL WHO WORKS THERE AND DOES
YEOMAN'S WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S PROCUREMENT AND
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT IS AT THE HIGHEST
STANDARD.
PRESENTED TO GREGORY SPEARMAN, CPPO, DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA PURCHASING DEPARTMENT.
ANNUAL ACHIEVEMENT OF EXCELLENCE AND PROCUREMENT AWARD FOR
2022 PRESENTED BY THE NATIONAL PROCUREMENT INSTITUTE.
THE AWARD IS DESIGNED TO RECOGNIZE PROFESSIONALISM,
PRODUCTIVITY, LEADERSHIP, ATTRIBUTED TO THE PROCUREMENT
FUNCTION AND EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE THAT YOU AND YOUR
PURCHASING DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED THIS AWARD ONLY 16 TIMES.
[LAUGHTER]
I THINK -- IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
BUT 16 TIMES MEANS A LOT.
09:22:56AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
IT DOES.
09:22:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
GREGORY, THE AWARD IS BECAUSE OF YOUR
LEADERSHIP FOR MANY YEARS AND YOUR DEDICATION AND
KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF AND THEY ARE VERY FORTUNATE TOO HAVE
LEADERS LIKE YOU GUIDING THIS OUTSTANDING STAFF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS PROUD TO PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION
TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF PRESENTED 15th DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2022.
IF I ASK YOU MR. SPEARMAN, AND I KNOW WE HAVEN'T AT ALL
TALKED ABOUT THIS, SAY HOW THIS AWARD IS DONE BY THE
NATIONAL INSTITUTE.
AND HOW MANY TIMES AND WHY.
AND ALL THE CITIES GET ONE.
THAT KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTANDS THAT.
09:23:41AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CITY.
THIS AWARD IS BASED ON A NUMBER OF CRITERIA.
TO GIVE YOU A SHOW AND TELL.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE HAVE 16 OF THESE IN OUR SHOWCASE IN PURCHASING ON THE
SECOND FLOOR.
IN FACT WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT GETTING A NEW TROPHY CASE
BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM.
I WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
BUT TO ANSWER COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S QUESTION, SOME OF THE
CRITERIA THAT IS USED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE
ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:
PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR STAFF.
MAINTAINING CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IN TERMS OF PURCHASING
OPERATIONS.
PROCUREMENT, CUSTOMER SERVICE SURVEY.
INTERNAL CUSTOMER SERVICE TRAINING, VENDOR TRAINING,
CENTRALIZED VENDOR,PCOG PROGRAM, PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION
OF STAFF.
THESE ARE THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT STAND BEHIND ME THAT MAK
IT WORK EVERY DAY IN PROCUREMENT, IN TERMS OF OF PROVIDING
ALL THOSE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE
CITY OPERATE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY EXECUTIVE AIDE, MICHELLE
BLIZZARD.
MICHELLE, THERE SHE IS.
[APPLAUSE]
SHE DOES A LOT TO KEEP US GOING.
MY BUSINESS AND SERVICES MANAGER.
KEVIN MANAGES THE TEAMS OF BUYERS THAT A TAKE CARE OF
THE RFPs, CONTRACT FOR BIDS, CONTRACTS AND RESOLUTIONS.
AND DEANNA WHO HANDLES ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS, OUR P-CARD, FUEL
CARD, INVENTORY.
ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THEN, OF COURSE, MR. TONY WAREHOUSE.
ONE OTHER FINAL NOTE, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHIEF OF
STAFF FOR HIS SUPPORT AND THE MANAGER OF THE PURCHASING
DEPARTMENT.
OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY AND THE
LEGAL SUPPORT WE GET FROM MARCELA HAMILTON.
SHE IS HERE SOME PLACE.
SHE KEEPS US OUT OF TROUBLE.
ONE FINAL NOTE, COUNCIL, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE BREADTH
OF THINGS WE ARE ASKED TO PROCURED FOR THE CITY.
POLICE CARS AND ACCESSORIES, LIGHT BARS, SIRENS, COMPUTERS,
THE STRIPING THAT GOES IN THE CAR, PLATFORM UNIFORMS,
TASERS, AMMUNITIONS, HOLSTERS, THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, THE
AMBULANCES, THE MEDICATIONS THAT GO ON THE AMBULANCES.
WE RUN AND MAINTAIN THREE WAREHOUSES.
WE MAINTAIN -- PROCURE SERVICES TO MAINTAIN THE TFR.
JANITOR RALE SERVICES FOR ALL CITY BUILDINGS.
LAWN MAINTENANCE.
THE WELL CENTER FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, GASOLINE, TO RUN THE
GARBAGE TRUCKS, ARMED AND UNARMED SECURITY, AND PLUMBING
SERVICES AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENDATION AND WE ENJOY OUR
PARTNERSHIP WORKING WITH YOU.
09:26:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME PRESENT THIS AS YOU ARE SPEAKING
OF ALL THE THINGS.
CAME TOGETHER, WORKING TOGETHER, WE STAY TOGETHER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU AND YOUR WHOLE STAFF.
APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
09:27:04AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU
[APPLAUSE]
09:27:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HOLD ON, MR. SPEARMAN.
[LAUGHTER]
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:27:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK, MR. CHAIR.
THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND CONGRATS ON EVERYTHING.
YOU HAVE A HUGE VOLUME OF WORK.
AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:27:26AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU.
09:27:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:27:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AS MR. MIRANDA SAID 16 STRAIGHT YEARS.
STAND OUT WHEN YOU READ THE CRITERIA SHEET WAS NUMBER 2.
I THINK THAT IS CRITICAL WITH A DEPARTMENT LIKE YOURS TO
IMPROVE AND GET THINGS BETTER.
ACCOLADES.
YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THAT.
EVEN THOUGH 16 YEARS, YOU CONTINUE TO DO WHAT COUNCIL SAYING
TO MAKE IT BETTER AND PEOPLE ARE NOTICING.
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:27:53AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:27:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
I READ ALL THE CONTRACTS AND I KNOW WHAT YOU DO DAY IN AND
DAY OUT.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ESPECIALLY FOR THE HARD WORK THAT
YOU ARE DOING TO FIND NEW SMALL BUSINESSES TO WORK WITH AND
THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.
YOUR TEAM IS ALREADY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND IS NOW GOING
EVEN MORE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND IT IS NOTICED AND WE REALLY
APPRECIATE IT.
AND MR. SPEARMAN BROUGHT FORWARD TO ME SEVEN OF THE
CONTRACTS THAT DID MEET THE CRITERIA WE HAD THIS WEEK.
AND BECAUSE THEY ARE ON CONSENT WE DON'T GET TO CELEBRATE IT
ALL THE TIME.
I WANT TO CELEBRATE YOU TODAY AND SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR
HARD WORK AND CONTINUING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE FORWARD SO WE
ARE A CITY THAT OTHERS CAN LOOK AT TO TRY TO EMULATE.
THANK YOU.
09:28:39AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU.
09:28:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:28:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LOOK HOW LUCKY WE ARE.
WE JUST RECOGNIZED FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.
AND WHAT A WONDERFUL TEAM THAT WORKS SO HARD.
AND NOW YOU AND YOUR TEAM, 16 YEARS OF EXCELLENCE.
YOU ARE THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL, SIR, YOU AND EVERYBODY
WITH YOU TODAY.
KEEP THE CITY RUNNING.
WE ARE PART OF A FAMILY.
AND YOU REALLY MAKE US PROUD.
YOU ARE THERE DOING THE WORK, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, TAKING
CARE OF THE CITY, TAKING CARE OF THESE CONTRACTS, BUT IN A
PROFESSIONAL MANNER THAT IS UNMATCHED.
THAT IS WHY WHEN YOU GET THESE AWARDS, THEY ARE TRULY -- YOU
ARE TRULY DESERVING OF IT.
YOU AND EVERYONE WITH YOU.
WE THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.
09:29:24AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU.
09:29:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:29:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT ALL OF YOUR TEAM DOES.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY.
SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR CITY, PURCHASING AND ANY BIG
MUNICIPALITY AND CITY AND YOU DO IT SO WELL AND MR. SPEARMAN
IS A KIND, GENTLE AND PROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUAL.
SO WE JUST APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:29:50AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU.
09:29:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SPEARMAN, A PLEASURE KNOWING YOU AND
YOUR STAFF.
YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB ON ALL SORTS OF FRONTS,
BUT NOBODY WANTS TO EVER THANK YOU FOR SAVING US MONEY.
THANK YOU FOR SAVING US MONEY.
09:30:07AM >>GREG SPEARMAN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMENTS.
[APPLAUSE]
09:30:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, GUYS, VERY MUCH.
09:30:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
09:30:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
09:30:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:30:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LADIES.
WELL, GENTLEMEN -- AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS, GOOD
MORNING.
I HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF GOING TO A CONFERENCE A
COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS THERE AS WELL.
GREAT CONFERENCE.
LEARNED SOME NEW THINGS.
I WAS ALSO ABLE TO THROW OUT SOME NEW WORDS AND HEAR WHAT
PEOPLE ARE THINKING.
I WAS TOLD THAT OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT WAS GETTING AN AWARD.
I AM LIKE OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS GETTING AN AWARD.
THEY SAID THE INFILL HOUSING.
ASKED SEVERAL TIMES OF GETTING US THE NUMBERS ON VACANT
UNUSED LAND IN THE CITY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HEARD US AND MRS. HENDERSON
CREATED THIS PROGRAM TO PUT OUR INFILL HOUSING TO WORK,
WHICH I AM VERY PROUD OF.
I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL RIBBON CUTTING FOR THAT PROGRAM.
I AM ECSTATIC AND ELATED THAT THEY GOT THE JOB DONE AND
RECOGNIZED THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR THE JOB THAT
THEY DID.
I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT HOUSING IS A CRITICAL ISSUE FOR US IN
OUR CITY AND FOR US TO BE A FRONT RUNNER TO A LEADER, I WAS
VERY PROUD TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
SO I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND ABBYE AND, OF
COURSE, THE NEW BOSS, MISS TRAVIS.
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL LET YOU OR YOUR BOSS EXPLAIN
WHAT TRANSPIRED WITH THE AWARD AND TALK ABOUT CAN YOUR
COMMENDATION.
09:32:34AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR OF.ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
I WILL LET KAYON TALK ABOUT THIS.
BUT I WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THIS TEAM.
A SMALL BUT MIGHTY TEAM, EVERY WEEK WE ARE BEFORE YOU
TALKING OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND HOW TO BE INNOVATIVE TO
BEST SERVE THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA DURING A REALLY
UNPRECEDENTED TIME WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH HOUSING.
THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE IS JUST A FEW OF US UP HERE TO
RECEIVE THIS AWARD, BUT REALLY, WE HAVE, LIKE,
30 PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE WORKING DAY AND NIGHT TRYING TO COME
UP WITH DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS THAT YOU ARE FACED WITH ON A
WEEKLY BASIS.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
THE INFILL PROGRAM IS -- THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE.
WE ARE LAUNCHING THE THIRD PHASE THIS FALL.
AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CRA BOARD SHOULD BE PROUD OF
THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROGRAM AND I WILL LET KAYON TALK TO YOU
ABOUT THE DETAILS OF INFILL PROGRAM.
09:33:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING US AS NICOLE SAID.
THERE IS A TEAM STILL BACK AT LEMON STREET WHO WORKS REALLY
HARD TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THIS IS POSSIBLE.
WE ARE IN OUR SECOND PHASE OF OUR INFILL PROGRAM WHERE WE
ARE ACTIVATING VACANT LOTS THAT WE PROVIDE TO DEVELOPERS TO
BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO THOSE WHO ARE 140% BELOW THE
MEDIAN INCOME.
LOW TO MODERATE-INCOME HOUSEHOLDS IN THE SECOND
PHASE REALLY IN FOUR YEARS, WE WILL HAVE 112 HOMES THAT ARE
GOING TO BE SOLD TO THOSE WHO ARE LOW TO MODERATE-INCOME
FAMILIES.
ONE OF THE THINGS I CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY AT THE
CITY FOR, I REALLY THANK ADMINISTRATION FOR TRUSTING THE
PROCESS OF THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO GO FORWARD AND
CONVEY THESE LOTS TO THESE DEVELOPERS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR LEGAL TEAM BECAUSE WE CONSTANTLY
GO TO LEGAL TO TRY TO GET THIS.
REALLY A HUGE APPROACH TO GET EVERYTHING DONE FROM
CONSTRUCTION TEAM AND BEING ABLE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL WITH
AGREEMENTS TO GET THEM APPROVED.
LIKE NICOLE SAID, INFILL PHASE 3 COMING OUT IN NOVEMBER TO
ACTIVATE ADDITIONAL LOTS AND HAVE PEOPLE IN HOUSEHOLDS WHO
WANT TO BE HOMEOWNERS.
09:35:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GENTLEMEN, THERE YOU HAVE IT.
AGAIN, IT WAS A GREAT CONFERENCE.
EVERYBODY IS SAYING ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
THE NEW WORD.
NOTHING IS AFFORDABLE.
WHAT IS WHAT I SAY "ATTAINABLE."
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, LET ME PRESENT THIS, CITY OF TAMPA
COMMENDATION TO THE HOUSING DIVISION IN RECOGNITION OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIVISION FOR YOUR HARD
WORK AND DEDICATION TO DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN
THE OUTREACH PROGRAM THE DIVISION WITH A VARIETY OF HOUSING
PROGRAMS THAT ARE IMPROVED THE LIVES OF COUNTLESS RESIDENTS
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THE CITY'S HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM RECEIVED
AN AWARD AT AFFORDABLE CONFERENCE AT THE SHIP ADMINISTRATOR
ROUNDTABLE.
PARTNERS WITH SMALL DEVELOPERS, MINORITY-OWNED COMPANIES
WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT.
THAT MAY NEVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE
CITY PREVIOUSLY.
2021, IDENTIFIED AND AWARDED CRA ON VACANT LOTS TO 11 LOCAL
MINORITY DEVELOPERS IN RETURN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
FOR THE CREATION AND PROTECTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THE GOALS PROMISED TO ITS RESIDENTS ON THE HORIZON.
THE CITY OF TAMPA -- CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
PROUD TO PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT DIVISION WHO EXEMPLIFIES THE
DEDICATION AND APPROACHES THAT EVERYBODY ADMIRES AND CHEERS
FOR SUCCESS.
THIS TEAM IS A GREAT ASSESS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
15th DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2022.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[APPLAUSE]
09:36:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:36:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN YOU DO
THINGS FOR SOMEONE ELSE AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL OF YOU DO
-- YOU ARE NOT DOING IT FOR YOURSELF BUT FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
GIVE THEM A HAND UP, NOT A PUSH DOWN.
ONE OF THE MOST REWARDING THINGS THAT YOU COULD EVER DO.
YOU FEEL BETTER.
YOU LOOK BETTER.
AND CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE HELPING ALSO FEEL
BETTER.
AND TODAY'S SOCIETY A LOT OF US ARE LEFT BEHIND FOR WHATEVER
REASON, AND YOU ARE YOU ARE THE ONES THAT GIVE THEM A HAND
UP.
CONGRATULATIONS.
09:37:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:37:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
Y'ALL ARE ROCK STARS.
LITERALLY ROCK STARS, WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU TOOK THIS FROM
THE FIRST ITERATION TO THE SECOND ITERATION AND SAID WE CAN
MAKE THIS BETTER AND WE CAN ADD -- WE CAN PROMOTE, INVITE IN
SMALLER CONTRACTORS WHO NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO WORK WITH THE
CITY AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY AND I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL
RIBBON CUTTINGS TOO.
THEY PRODUCED BEAUTIFUL HOMES.
QUALITY THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN WITH DIGNITY THAT ARE
ATTAINABLE.
I AM GOING TO APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN GUDES' WORDS.
ATTAINABLE.
BUT WHAT I LOVE EVEN MORE THAT WITH THIS AWARD, YOU AREN'T
STOPPING.
THE NEXT PHASE IS GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP TRYING TO FIND NEW PEOPLE TO
PARTNER WITH.
WHAT I LOVE THE MOST ABOUT THIS AWARD IS YOU AREN'T JUST
SAYING, YAY, WE DID THIS.
LET'S KEEP GOING.
YOU ARE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE MORE AND THAT TO ME IS MORE
CELEBRATORY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONTINUING TO DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR
POWER.
YOU ARE A SMALL BUT MIGHTY TEAM.
AND EVERY TIME WE COME TO YOU, THIS HOUSING CRISIS HAS BEEN
OVERWHELMING FOR ALL OF US, BUT WE HAVE TIME WE COME TO YOU,
YOU FIND A WAY -- NOT JUST A WAY, BUT A CREATIVE AND
OUTSIDE-THE-BOX WAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I LOVE WORK WITH YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING.
09:38:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:39:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS.
LET ME SAY HOW MUCH I LOOK UP TO, RESPECT AND ADMIRE ALL OF
YOU.
WHEN WE SAY WE WANT TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST
HERE IN TAMPA, YOU ARE THE EXAMPLES.
YOU ARE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
SO LUCKY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
NICOLE TRAVIS, I PRAISED YOU PUBLICLY BEFORE AND I AM NOT
GOING TO STOP.
YOU, THE TEAM, ABBYE, EVERYBODY, YOU ARE HERE DILIGENTLY AND
HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS.
IF THERE IS NOT A SOLUTION, YOU LOOK FOR ANOTHER PATH
FORWARD.
BUT WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU HERE.
THE SERVICE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, TO THE RESIDENTS IN THIS
CRISIS OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND ATTAINABILITY.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
[CLAPPING]
I KNOW YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTIONS AND YOU ARE DOING
YOUR BEST.
CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.
WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE YOU.
09:39:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:39:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE
HARD WORK THAT YOU DO.
I KNOW IT IS REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATED.
AND YOU ALL GET A LOT OF FIRES THROWN AT YOU INCLUDING JUST
THIS CRISIS AND A LOT OF LAST-MINUTE REQUESTS, ETC.
JUST KNOW WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:40:11AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU.
09:40:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:40:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
AS MY COLLEAGUES SAID YOU ARE ROCK STARS AND APPRECIATE THE
NEW TEAM MEMBERS THERE.
WE ALL GET BLAMED FOR THE SINS OF THE PAST FOR ABOUT TEN
YEARS THE CITY HARDLY FOCUSED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT ALL.
AND YOU SEE EVERY WEEK THAT WE GET BLAMED.
YOU ALL GET BLAMED.
BUT WE KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT.
WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF ABOUT 50,000 HOMES AND AN IMPOSSIBLE
TASK.
HAD YOU BEEN ON BOARD TEN YEARS AGO WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS
PROBLEM NOW.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT TEN YEARS TO PUT A BIG DENT IN
IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO.
09:40:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES, I AM SO PROUD OF YOU.
YOU ARE MAKING DREAMS COME TRUE.
THAT AMERICAN DREAM CALLED HOUSING.
OF OWNING A HOME.
OF PRIDE IN HOMEOWNERSHIP.
YOU ARE MAKING THAT DREAM COME TRUE.
I THANK YOU.
YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RECOGNITION, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR
HARD WORK
[APPLAUSE]
09:43:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC
COMMENT.
IF ANYONE WISHES TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, WILL
YOU PLEASE LINE UP, MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
EVERYONE GIVING PUBLIC COMMENT WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DO
SO.
ANYONE CAN START AT THIS TIME.
09:44:11AM >> NATASHA GOODLEY, 2205 EAST 24th AVENUE.
THANK YOU FOR BESTOWING UPON ME THE HONOR THE WAYS THAT THE
CITY OF TAMPA CAN HELP TO PRESERVE BLACK HISTORY.
I WILL BE READY FOR A FULL PRESENTATION IN NOVEMBER, IF YOU
SIMPLY KNOW THE DATE, AND I WILL BE READY.
BUT I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THAT AN ORDINANCE BE CREATED TO
RESPECT OUR CEMETERIES.
AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, WE DISCOVERED NUMEROUS BLACK
CEMETERIES NOT PRESERVED WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THE COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY, THE CEMETERY AT 30th AND SLIGH,
THE CEMETERY AT KING HIGH SCHOOL, ROBLES PARK, MEMORIAL PARK
ROBLES PARK.
ANY ACTIVITY ON LAND THAT IS DEEMED TO BE A CEMETERY.
HURT MY HEART TO SEE ITALIAN CLUB CEMETERY STILL USING THE
COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY AS THEIR PARKING LOT OR TO SEE THE
CITY STORING EQUIPMENT AT TIMES ON CEMETERY AT 30th AND
SLIGH.
WE HAVE ALREADY FORGOTTEN THESE INDIVIDUALS, THE LEAST WE
CAN DO IS RESPECT THEIR FINAL RESTING PLACE.
THANK YOU.
09:45:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:45:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:45:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.
I RECEIVED SEVERAL PHONE CALLS AND MY FAMILY LIVE ON THAT
CORNER.
AND A LOT OF THAT GOING AT PARKING, ESPECIALLY THE ONE AT
30th AND SLIGH.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE RECORD ORDINANCE IN
REFERENCE TO THAT.
09:45:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WILL SECOND IT.
09:45:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MOVE THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT COME BACK
IN NOVEMBER WITH AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
STATES THAT A KNOWN CEMETERY MUST BE TREATED AS SUCH.
NO PARKING ON IT.
NO STORING OF ITEMS.
NO EVENTS HELD ON THIS PROPERTY, ETC.
THE LAND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND CARRIED IN THE DIGNITY OF A
CEMETERY.
BRING THAT BACK FIRST DATE IN NOVEMBER -- NOVEMBER 6.
09:46:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:46:15AM >> SORRY, 3rd.
09:46:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NOVEMBER 3.
09:46:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED.
AYE.
THANK YOU.
09:46:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
BOB WHITMORE, 3111 HAWTHORNE.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CITY TREE.
THIS MORNING 50 SCARED HUMAN BEINGS LANDED IN A STRANGE
LAND.
LURED ON A PLANE IN TEXAS USING STATE FUNDS AND FLEW INTO
MASSACHUSETTS WITH NO IDEA WHERE THEY WERE GOING.
PROMISED AT THE POINT OF DEEMBARKATION, THEY WILL BE TAKEN
TO A PLACE TO BE PROCESSED FASTER TO BEGIN A NEW LIFE FOR
THE LAND OF THE FREE.
AUTHORITIES IN MARTHA'S VINEYARD DID NOT EXPECT THESE MEN,
WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND ARE SCRAMBLING TO FIND HOUSING AND
PROVISIONS FOR THEM FOR THESE HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE NOW IN A
NORTHERN CLIMATE WHERE THE WINDS WILL SOON BEGIN TO BLOW AND
THE SNOW BEGIN TO FLY AND SOON THESE MEN AND WOMEN
REPORTEDLY FROM VENEZUELA WILL FACE SOMETHING THAT FEW OF US
WILL WANT TO FACE WITHOUT A ROOF OVER OUR HEAD, PROPER COLD
WEATHER GEAR.
A NEW ENGLAND WEATHER.
LIKE PLACING A BURNING BAG OF FECES ON THE BACK DOOR OF A
NEIGHBOR AND STOMP IT OUT, I AM SURE THAT GAVE OUR GOVERNOR
A GOOD LAUGH.
BUT THE CHILDISH CRUEL STUNT DID NOT INVOLVE FECES, USED THE
LIVES OF FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS WITHOUT THEIR WELL BEING AND HE
DID IT IN THE NAME OF IN.
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH CITY POLITICS.
WE ARE BLESSED TO LIVE IN A PROGRESSIVE AND OPEN-MINDED
CITY AS REPRESENTED WHAT HAPPENS HERE TODAY AND THE PEOPLE
WHO HAVE GOTTEN TO THESE BOARDS.
A CITY WOULD CERTAINLY NEVER CONDONE THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING
OF UNSUSPECTING AND DISADVANTAGED MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAD NO
IDEA WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO LITERALLY.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL AND THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE TO DRAFT A LETTER EXPRESSING THIS CITY'S
DISGUST, DISSENT, AND DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM THE ACTIONS OF
THE GOVERNOR IN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION REGARDING THIS
HEINOUS AND ILLEGAL ACTION.
I LOVE FLORIDA.
I LOVE TAMPA, AND I AM PERSONALLY TIRED OF CONTINUALLY BEING
EMBARRASSED AND ASHAMED OF THE ACTIONS OF AN ADMINISTRATION
THAT DOES NOT REFLECT IN ANY WAY THE GOOD AND COMPASSIONATE
PEOPLE OF THIS CITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:48:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:48:55AM >> GOOD MORNING, KELLA McCASKILL.
09:48:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS McCASKILL, ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:49:03AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF I MAY, TO THE GENTLEMAN.
I USUALLY DON'T COMMENT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WILL BE GLAD TO MAKE THAT MOTION AT THE END.
YOU KNOW AMONG MANY THINGS THAT GETS ME MAD ABOUT THAT,
THOSE ARE VENEZUELANS IT APPEARS WHO ARE FLEEING A MADURO
REGIME, AND THEY ARE BEING USED AS A POLITICAL PROP TO TROLL
PEOPLE AND FEED MORE POLITICAL FAST FOOD TO A BASE.
AND IT REALLY MAKES ME ANGRY.
SO ACTUALLY I TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING.
SOME ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND I WILL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:49:39AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:49:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMANS GUDES.
09:49:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, MR. MIRANDA.
09:49:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO PROBLEM.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING A COURAGE TO COME UP AND
SPEAK THAT WAY.
IF THEY THINK THEY ARE USING FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES FOR
THEIR BENEFIT, THEY ARE WRONG.
1970, THE HISPANIC POPULATION IN THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA HAS GROWN BY 540%.
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, 540%.
WE ARE NOW ALMOST 19% OF POPULATION OF ALL THE UNITED
STATES.
LET ME ALSO SAY THAT WHY SEND THEM TO MARTHA'S VINEYARD.
JUST THINK OF THE IDEA WHY.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY.
THEY WANTED TO SHOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN
GOVERN.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
I AM ASHAMED TO SAY THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR THE HISPANICS AND
OTHER RACES AND OTHER MIXES, MIAMI WOULD NEVER BE MIAMI.
09:50:36AM >> AMEN.
09:50:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND TAMPA WOULD NEVER BE TAMPA.
09:50:39AM >> NO, SIR.
09:50:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE LIVE IN A CITY NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE,
WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, WHAT RACE, HOW TALL, HOW FAT YOU ARE,
HOW SKINNY YOU ARE, EVERYONE IS ACCEPTABLE TO ONE ANOTHER.
THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE IN.
BY DOING THAT, I THINK A POLITICAL STUNT MAY BACKFIRE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:50:58AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:50:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MISS McCASKILL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
09:51:10AM >> GOOD MORNING.
KELLA McCASKILL IS MY NAME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
MR. SHELBY, I MISS YOU.
AND A TOKEN OF APPRECIATION, I WANT TO GIVE YOU -- I DON'T
KNOW IF IT IS APPROPRIATE, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU AND YOUR
WIFE DINNER TO YOUR FAVORITE RESTAURANT ESTABLISHMENT.
YOU HAVE TRULY BEEN MISSED.
NO PUN INTENDED ON MR. MASSEY.
SO HELPFUL WHENEVER WE NEED IT.
THIS MORNING, I'M HERE WITH PURE.
CONCERNING PURE OF A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT.
IN A MULTITUDE OF COUNCIL, THERE IS SAFETY.
AND JUST -- I AM NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
I AM NOT -- YOU KNOW, I AM NOT A CITY STAFF MEMBER.
BUT JUST AS A HUMAN BEING, I -- I WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE MY
BEST.
WHEN I GIVE INFORMATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS FACTUAL.
AS A PROFESSIONAL, I HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY.
RESPONSIBLE TO GIVE PEOPLE FACTUAL INFORMATION WITH TRUTH.
THAT IS NOT WHAT I FEEL I GET WHEN WE DEAL WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION.
THE PURE SITUATION CAME UP, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED
UNFORTUNATELY COMES AT TIME WHEN THE CITIZENS -- WE DON'T
NECESSARILY TRUST THE ADMINISTRATION.
I MEAN OUR ADMINISTRATION IN THE MIDDLE OF A DOJ
INVESTIGATION.
WE FIND ABOUT IT ON A OOPS.
THE WHOLE HANNA STREET SITUATION.
THE WHOLE WITCH HUNT ON OUR MOST ACTIVE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
THE WHOLE RECUSING THEMSELVES WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT FOR THEM
IN TERMS OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
JUST SO MUCH.
WE ARE WORE OUT.
AND WE NECESSARILY DON'T TRUST THE INFORMATION THAT IS BEING
PROVIDED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AS IT RELATES TO PURE.
WE ALREADY KNOW THAT NONE OF US ARE EXPERTS AS IT RELATES TO
PURE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T GET SCIENTISTS AND
SCIENTISTS TO COME BEFORE YOU AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT PRESENTED.
FOR ME I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT IS
PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY OR EVEN HERE AT CITY COUNCIL.
SO WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US, AND IN LOOKING AT PURE AND
LOOKING AT THE FACTUAL INFORMATION WE HAVE WITH THE PIPES, I
SEE THE NEED FOR URGENCY WHEN IT RELATES TO THE PIPES.
JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI HAVE PUT US ALL ON ALERT IF YOU HEARD
ABOUT IT.
THAT IS THE SITUATION.
OUR PIPES ARE OVER 100 -- 100-PLUS-YEARS OLD 37.
THAT IS FACTUAL.
THAT IS DOCUMENTED EVERYWHERE.
WHAT IS NOT CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT IS THE NEED NOR THE PURE.
THEY DON'T ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTIONS LIKE, IS IT NECESSARY,
ONE.
IS IT SAFE, AND HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO COST.
THREE BASIC QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE ANSWERS
TO AND WE DON'T GET THAT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
I BELIEVE BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE SEEN, I THINK WE
WILL SURVIVE.
I THINK WE HAVE SAFE WATER FOR ANOTHER 1 MOUNTAIN YEARS --
100 YEARS WITH AMPLE SUPPLY.
THAT INFORMATION IS FOUND AND FACTUAL.
I BELIEVE THAT TAMPA WILL SURVIVE WITHOUT PURE.
DELAY THAT PURE DEAL UNTIL 2045.
PUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN.
SAY NO.
THANK YOU.
09:54:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:54:07AM >> GOOD MORNING, PHIL COMPTON WITH THE 1100 MEMBERS OF
FRIENDS OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS TALKING TO THE MAYOR AND HER TOP
STAFF FOR TWO WEEKS ON NAME OF PURE.
PURE IS A OLD IDEAS SOMETHING THAT PAM IORIO AND BOB
BUCKHORN.
PEOPLE SAID NO AND WE WILL SAY NO TO THIS MAYOR.
PURE IS JUST TOILET TO TAP.
OLD CONTAMINATED WATER IN NEW BOTTLES WITH THE NEW LABEL.
WE ASK YOU TO SAY NO TO PURE.
NO FOR CONTINUANCE OF THE FUNDING AMENDMENT.
NO TO THAT FUNDING REQUEST.
NO TO ANY FUTURE FUNDING.
NO.
DO WE NEED THIS WATER?
NO.
WE ARE GETTING PLENTY OF RAIN AS YOU CAN TEE FROM THE TAMPA
TRIBUNE -- SORRY, TAMPA BAY TIMES.
EVERY DAY ON THE BACK OF OUR SPORTS PAGE.
WE ARE WITHIN ONE INCH OF ANNUAL AVERAGE RAINFALL.
49 AND A HALF INCHES.
OUR SITUATION AND OUR FUTURE IS NOTHING LIKE CALIFORNIA.
THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR IS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF
LAKE MEAD.
IS THIS WATER SAFE?
THE CITY TREATS AND TESTS OUR WATER TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS
FEDERAL AND STATE STANDARDS FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY.
BUT THIS WASTEWATER WILL HAVE AMOUNT OF EVERY DRUG, EVERY
CHEMICAL ANYBODY GETS AT WALGREEN'S, HORMONES,
ANTIDEPRESSANTS, YOU NAME IT.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE GRANDDAUGHTER DRINKS THAT HER ENTIRE
LIFE AND IT BUILDINGS UP.
FISH SWIM IN IT WITH EN THEY SPAWN.
WE DON'T KNOW.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS WAY BEHIND OF ANY SAFETY STANDARDS
FOR CONTAMINANTS.
PFAS THAT WE KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE NONE OF IN OUR DRINKING
WATER AND NO SAFETY MEASURES.
BUT STAFF WANTS TO PUSH AHEAD REGARDLESS.
PROBLEM IS WE WON'T KNOW IF IT IS SAFE UNLESS SAFETY
STANDARDS FOR THE NEW CONTAMINANTS LIKE THE CONTAMINANTS WE
ARE USED TO DEALING WITH.
INSTEAD OF WATER QUALITY REPORTS OF HOW WE ARE COMPLYING
WITH FEDERAL AND STATE DRINKING WATER STANDARDS -- AND I
KNOW WE ARE -- WE HAVE TO STAMP CAVEAT EMPTOR ON OUR WATER
BILLS.
WE HAVE SIMPLY POINTED OUT THAT THE HUNDREDS OF STANDARDS
FOR THE NEW CONTAMINANTS TO ASSURE SAFETY DO NOT YET EXIST.
NOT YET FOR THE ENGINEERS AND ATTORNEYS TO SET THEM, BUT UP
TO QUALIFIED SCIENTISTS TO EPA.
THIS COULD COST A LOT.
AND EASILY DOUBLE OUR UTILITY BILLS ONCE WE GET SAFETY
STANDARD AND REBUILD WHAT IS ALREADY A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR
PROJECT AND START ALL OVER TO TRY TO MAKE IT SAFE.
AFFORDABLE CLEAN WATER IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND A
GOVERNMENT TO WORKS ON OUR PROBLEMS IS A GOVERNMENT WE
SHOULD HAVE.
AS MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY COUNCIL OF SUSTAINABILITY AND
RESILIENCE, END THIS TIME AND RESOURCES THAT IS HURTING OUR
CAPACITY TO WORK ON REAL NEEDS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, CLEAN
ENERGY, PREVENTING FLOODING TO NAME A COUPLE.
VOTE NO.
THANK YOU.
09:57:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:57:10AM >> GOOD MORNING, GARY GIBBONS.
BUSINESS ADDRESS 3321 HENDERSON IN TAMPA.
I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT -- VICE-CHAIR AND CHAIR OF THE TAMPA
SIERRA CLUB AND PROUD TO SPEAK OF THE 2500 MEMBERS AND
13,000 FRIENDS AND ALLIES ON OUR E-MAIL LIST THAT LOOKED AT
THE SIERRA CLUB FOR GUIDANCE ON IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL
ISSUES AND ADVISING ALL OF THEM TO OPPOSE THE PURE PROJECT.
I AM ASKING YOU THIS MORNING TO KILL THIS PROJECT.
ALL THAT WE HAVE SEEN AFTER STUDY THIS PROJECT FOR MORE THAN
20 MONTHS IS THAT IT IS DANGEROUS, COSTLY AND UNNECESSARY.
SPECIFICALLY, WE WANT OUT TO VOTE NO ON THE CONTINUANCE AND
NO ON THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
WE WORKED IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE CITY STAFF FOR MORE THAN 20
MONTHS.
AND WE HAD MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT LASTED AT LEAST 90 MINUTES
EACH.
AND THROUGHOUT THAT TIME, THE CITY STAFF HAS TOLD US THAT
THE TEN-YEAR TIME PERIOD ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW TO BUILD A
BIG PROJECT LIKE THIS IS A VERY, VERY SHORT TIME.
YET TODAY, THEY ARE COMING AND ASKING FOR A LONG
CONTINUANCE.
NONE OF THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE URGENCY THEY HAVE BEEN
SAYING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
WE ALSO SUGGESTED TO THE CITY MANY TIMES THAT THEY WILL JOIN
WITH ALL THE OTHER 167 MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE STATES WHO
ARE ALSO UNDER THIS RIDICULOUSLY SHORT TIME FRAME TO ASK THE
STATE LEGISLATURE FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE TEN-YEAR TIME
FRAME TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 64.
THE CITY IS NOT INTERESTED IN REQUESTING AN EXTENSION FROM
THE LEGISLATURE.
WHY NOT?
THEY ASK FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE TODAY THOUGH.
ARE THEY TRYING TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK SO THEY CAN SAY THEY
HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO SELECT TAP AS THEIR ONLY ALTERNATIVE?
THREE OF US FROM THE SIERRA CLUB MET WITH MAYOR CASTOR MORE
THAN SIX MONTHS AGO TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS ABOUT PURE.
BEFORE THAT MEETING, WE GAVE A LIST OF 17 QUESTIONS TO THE
MAYOR AND HER STAFF.
QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWERS TO FIND OUT AND
GIVE REAL FEEDBACK ABOUT PURE.
YET SIX MONTHS LATER, WE HAVE STILL NOT RECEIVED ANY ANSWERS
TO THOSE 17 QUESTIONS NOR DID THE CITY DO PUBLIC OUTREACH
AND REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN JULY WHEN THEY PROMISED
THEY WOULD DO WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE COUNCIL ASKING FOR THE
INITIAL FUNDING IN FEBRUARY.
WE DID NOT OPPOSE THE INITIAL FUNDING BECAUSE SUPPOSED TO BE
STUDYING ALTERNATIVES THAN PUT IT IN THE ACT WHICH INQUIRY,
THE RESERVOIR AND THE LOWER RIVER AND IT WAS ALSO TO BE USED
FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND EDUCATION.
NONE OF THAT HAS OCCURRED.
ON MONDAY, HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE AT SULPHUR SPRINGS AND
TOLD THE MEDIA AND THE.PUBLIC THAT PURE HAVEN'T BEEN DECIDED
YET.
WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO.
BUT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE WE CAN PUT IT IN THE RESERVOIR, IN
THE LOWER RIVER, OR THE AQUIFER.
FOLKS, THAT IS TAP, THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO FOR 20
YEARS.
UNTIL TELL US HOW THE WASTEWATER IS GOING TO BE CLEANED,
WHAT CONTAMINANTS WILL BE REMOVED AND WHAT IS NOT GOING TO
BE REMOVED, THEN DON'T PUT IT IN THE RIVER, DON'T PUT IT IN
THE AQUIFER AND DON'T PUTS IT IN THE RESERVOIR.
TAP WITH A NEW NAME AND THE FUNDING NEEDS TO STOP.
10:00:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:00:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS GERALDINE ROGERS TOOMBS.
THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF PROTECTION STATE THAT RECLAIMED
WATER SHOULD NOT BE APPLIED TO SURFACES OF VEGETABLES OR
OTHER EDIBLE CROP THAT ARE NOT PEELED, COOKED OR THERMALLY
PROCESSED BEFORE BEING CONSUMED.
BUT YOU ARE CONSIDERING TO EXPOSE IT TO HUMAN ABOUT BEINGS.
WHY WOULD IT BE OKAY TO UTILIZE SEWAGE WATER FOR PUBLIC USE?
I AM IN COMPLETE OPPOSITION TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
IMPLEMENTING A PLAN TO RECYCLE SEWER WATER.
I KNOW YOU CALL IT WASTEWATER -- IN OUR DAY TO DAY USE.
IT IS REASON TO CONCLUDE THERE WILL BE ENORMOUS
ENVIRONMENTAL REPERCUSSIONS IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT
PLAN.
WE HAVE SEEN THE CONSEQUENCES OF CONTAMINATED WATER IN
FLINT, MICHIGAN; JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI; AND EVEN NEW YORK,
WITH THE INCREASE OF THE POLIO VIRUS THROUGH THE WATER
SYSTEM.
DEALING WITH COVID, THE MONKEY WHITE SOX AND WHO WHATEVER
ELSE THAT WE KNOW GOING ON WITH THESE VIRUSES.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE THESE FACTORS INTO CONSIDERATION
WHEN YOU ARE MAKING THE DECISION.
THE PROPOSAL TO RECYCLE SEWAGE WATER FOR PUBLIC USE IS TO --
IS TOO DANGEROUS A PROJECT TO JEOPARDIZE THE HEALTH AND
SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
HAS YOUR STAFF PROVIDED ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT IT WILL NOT BE
HARMFUL CHEMICALS -- EXCUSE ME HAS YOUR STAFF PROVIDED
EVIDENCE THAT ALL HARMFUL CHEMICALS WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE
WATER?
WHO IS TO SAY.
HOME WATER PURIFICATION WILL REMOVE ENOUGH POLLUTANTS OUT OF
THAT RECLAIMED WATER.
YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE PURIFICATION
SYSTEM AND I MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT, BUT WHAT ARE THESE
LOW-INCOME FAMILIES GOING TO DO?
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE BOTTLED WATER AS A
WAY OF LIFE.
EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP IN COST.
AND SO I JUST ASK AND PLEAD WITH YOU TO VOTE NO IN RECYCLING
SEWAGE WATER FOR CITIZEN USE.
THANK YOU.
10:03:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:03:15AM >> HELLO, GOOD MORNING, KEITH JACOBS.
AND I AM HAPPY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU TO
SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RUSSO FAMILY AND THE PARKS AND
RECREATION CONTRACT.
I HAVE BEEN IN TAMPA OVER 35 YEARS.
SPENT THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE HERE.
I GREW UP ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I GRADUATED FROM THE HEART OF TAMPA, EAST TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
I HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND THE POWER AND IMPACT THAT
EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND SPORTS AND OTHER COMMUNITY
ENTITIES HAVE ON THE SUCCESS OF CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY.
I AM A COMMUNITY MEMBER, VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I MENTOR CHILDREN FROM GRADES KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12th
GRADE THROUGH MY FREE AND ACCEPTED MASONRY WORK.
I MENTOR KIDS THROUGH THAT.
AND I AM ALSO A FRATERNITY, INC. BROTHER.
I SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT A 18-YEAR EDUCATOR.
FORMER PRINCIPAL IN HILLSBOROUGH PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
LESS OF A THIRD OF OUR STUDENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE AN
ACTIVE OUTLET FOR THEM AFTER SCHOOL.
AND AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM YOUR POSITION, YOU HAVE SEEN SAYING
THAT 67% OF STUDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF
EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES HAD NOT HAD A HOME OR RESPITE
THAT EXTENDED BEYOND THE CLASSROOM AND THOSE KIDS TEND TO
GET INTO MORE TROUBLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I AM TELLING THAT YOU PLACES LIKE HIT BACK TAMPA HAS BEEN A
RESPITE FOR SO MANY KIDS.
I WATCHED FIRSTHAND HOW KIDS WITH RACIAL BACKGROUNDS, ETHNIC
BACKGROUNDS AND TALENT LEVELS COME TO A THAT IS CORRECT.
FOR YEARS IT HAS SERVED AS A HOME FOR SO MANY FAMILIES
REGARD WILLING OF THE TALENT LEVEL, THE RUSSO FAMILY TAKES
THOSE KIDS IN.
GIVES THEM SENSE OF CONFIDENCE AND HOPE AS THEY TRY TO
MATRICULATE THROUGH THE KINDERGARTEN AND 12th GRADE SYSTEM,
AND WILL PREPARE THEM FOR POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION.
IN ORDER TO PREPARE THEM FOR POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION, THEY
NEED HOBBIES AND CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY.
WITHOUT A CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY LOSE HELP.
MY OWN CHILD WHO HAS AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER IS PART OF THE
WHO ORGANIZATION.
WHEN HE JOINED THE ORGANIZATION FIVE YEARS AGO -- A SHY KID.
DIDN'T SPEAK TO MANY PEOPLE.
AVERAGE STUDENT.
THE RUSSO BROTHERS INSTILLED A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE
AND NOW HE HAS EXCELLED AND NOW IN 10th GRADE.
A 3.86 GPA IN ALL HONOR AND AP CLASSES.
A HIGHLY TALENTED BASEBALL ATHLETE WITH INTEREST FROM
VARIOUS D-1 COLLEGE PROGRAMS, MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT, HE
FEELS LIKE HE IS PART OF A COMMUNITY WHO ACCEPTS HIM FOR THE
WAY HE IS.
AND THAT EMBRASSES HIM AS FAMILY.
THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE CONTRACTS WITH
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HIT FACTORY OUT SHALL -- THAT ARE
OPERATING BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THE SENSE OF HOPE.
SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
10:06:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TRAVEL SAFE, MY BROTHER.
10:06:26AM >> THANK YOU.
10:06:27AM >> HI, GOOD MORNING.
STEFANIE DUNLOP.
AND I'M HERE -- MY PLEASURE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF THE RUSSO
BROTHERS OF PARKS AND RECREATION CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE.
I AM GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT FROM MY HEART.
MY SON, DREW, JOINED THE HIP FACTORY.
MY HUSBAND, MY SON AND MYSELF WOULD NOT REALIZE IT WOULD BE
A HUGE PART OF OUR LIFE AS ITS TODAY.
MY SON WOULD LOVE TO BE HERE.
BUT AT 15, HE IS AT SCHOOL WHERE HE SHOULD BE.
BUT TWO THINGS HE WANTED ME TO SHARE WITH YOU.
KEEP IN MIND A 15-YEAR-OLD TEENAGED BOY AND NOT FULL OF MANY
WORDS NUMBER ONE, HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW THAT THE FACTORY
ORGANIZATION AND THE RUSSO BROTHERS AND THE COACHES ARE
AMAZING, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, AMAZING AND LEARNED SO MUCH AND
GAINED SO MANY OF HIS BEST BUDDIES THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION.
HE WANTED TO SHARE WITH ME, THAT HE IMPROVED HIS BASEBALL
SKILLS.
NOT THAT YOU CARE TO KNOW THAT, BUT THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED
YOU TO KNOW.
AS HIS MOTHER AND FULL OF FAR MORE WORDS THAN HE THESE DAYS,
I DON'T DISAGREE AS THESE POINTS BUT THE ORGANIZATION AT
WELLSWOOD PARK HAS DONE MORE FOR MY SON THAN BEING AMAZING
AND TEACHING HIM BASEBALL SKILLS.
I HAVE SEEN HIM DEVELOP INTO A PHENOMENAL YOUNG MAN.
HE LEARNED SO MUCH NOT JUST THE RUSSO BROTHERS BUT THE
COACHES ON-SITE AT WELLS WOOD.
HE HAS LEARNED SELF-DISCIPLINE.
HE LEARNED TIME MANAGEMENT.
PETITION LEARNED HOW TO LOSE.
HE HAS LEARNED WHO YOU TO WIN.
HE LEARNED HOW TO BE A GOOD TEAM MATE.
AND HE LEARNED HOW TO BE A LEADER.
AND HOW TO DEAL WITH ADVERSITY.
LIFE SKILLS THAT WILL CARRY ON LONG BEFORE ANY BASEBALL
SKILLS HE DEVELOPED THROUGH WELLS WOOD THROUGH THOSE
COACHES.
ASK YOU THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERS WILL BE HOME TO HIT FACTORY
FOR FAR MORE YEARS.
I REMEMBER BEING IN THAT PART BEFORE MY SON JOINED HIT
FACTORY AND BEFORE THE RUSSO BROTHERS HAD CONTROL OF THE
PARK.
I REMEMBER -- I HOPE NOT TO OFFEND -- BUT NOT SO GOOD
SMELLS.
THE LIGHTS WERE OUT.
THE FIELDS WERE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.
THROUGH THE YEARS PART OF THE HIT FACTORY ORGANIZATION, WE
HAVE WATCHED THE RUSSO BROTHERS FIRST HAND WITH THEIR
COACHES DEVELOP THAT PARK AND GIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT PARK
THAT THESE YOUTH ARE ABLE TO ENJOY AND ABLE TO FLOURISH
FROM.
SO I AM TELLING YOU THESE KIDS, THE BOYS AND THE GIRLS, ARE
NOT JUST LEARNING BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL SKILLS BUT BECOMING
YOUNG ADULTS IN FRONT OF OUR EYES.
IN THE WORLD FULL OF NEGATIVITY, ASK THAT YOU NOT TAKE
SOMETHING AWAY FROM OUR YOUTH.
NOT ONLY WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS BUT NEEDS IT AT WELLS WOOD
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
[APPLAUSE]
10:09:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.
SCOTT POWELL.
I AM FROM SOUTH TAMPA.
I'M HERE ALSO TO SPEAK ABOUT PAUL RUSSO AND HIS
ORGANIZATION.
HE ASKED ME TO COME HERE TO BASICALLY TELL MY SON'S STORY.
MY SON HAD ALWAYS BEEN A BASEBALL PLAYER.
CAME UP THROUGH THE SOUTH TAMPA AND TEMPLE TERRACE BEFORE
THAT.
STARTED OFF AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
MADE THE JUNIOR VARSITY TEAM AS A FRESHMAN, ALSO PLAYED AS A
SOPHOMORE EARLY ON IN THAT YEAR, GOT BROUGHT UP TO THE
VARSITY TEAM.
AND, OF COURSE, IT IS A GOOD SCHOOL.
GOOD TALENT.
HE WAS YOUNG.
HE ONLY PLAYED A LITTLE BIT.
THE COACH WAS ALWAYS ON HIM ABOUT HIS WEIGHT.
HE WAS A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER AT THE TIME.
THE COACH SAID, LOOK, I KNOW YOU CAN HIT, BUT YOU ARE NOT
GOING TO START AT THIS SCHOOL UNTIL YOU ARE IN SHAPE.
GOES THROUGH THE JUNIOR YEAR ON VARSITY.
COACH IS ON HIM.
REALLY DRILLING HIM.
AS YOU KNOW NOT ALL COACHES HAVE TERRIFIC EXPERIENCE.
SOMETIMES JUST DOING IT FOR THE STIPE PENNED.
SOMETIMES THEY ARE NOT TERRIFIC WITH KIDS WHICH IS AN
EXAMPLE IN THIS CASE.
GOES INTO HIS SENIOR YEAR.
USUALLY THE MOST CELEBRATED TIME OF A HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE'S
CAREER.
MY SON, DREW, ALSO WITH THE PROGRAM FOR SIX YEARS, UNRELATED
TO THE LAST DREW, DECIDES -- COMES TO ME AND SAYS I DON'T
WANT TO PLAY MY SENIOR YEAR OF BASEBALL.
WE THOUGHT HE WOULD GO ON AND PLAY AND FURTHER HIS CAREER.
AND THOUGHT OKAY, HE HAS CHANGED HIS MIND.
HE IS DONE WITH BASEBALL.
HE SAID I AM GOING TO CONTINUE WITH BASEBALL AND CONTINUE TO
PLAY WITH PAUL.
I WANT TO CONTINUE MY DREAM AND PLAY IN COLLEGE.
OF COURSE, SKEPTICAL.
OKAY.
YOU ARE NOT PLAYING IN HIGH SCHOOL ANYMORE.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT.
WE DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF IT.
DREW BELIEVED IN AND CONTINUED TO WORK HARD AND WORK WITH
PAUL AND HIS ORGANIZATION.
THROUGH -- AFTER HE HAD GRADUATED THROUGH A VERY SIR CUTE US
IT ROUTE, HE SECURED HIM A FULL SCHOLARSHIP TO BASEBALL.
HE PLAYED THE NEXT TWO YEARS FOR FREE AT A JUNIOR COLLEGE IN
ALABAMA.
FROM THERE, HE HAS PARLAYED THAT INTO A FOUR-YEAR SCHOOL
DOWN IN THE UNIVERSITY OF FT. LAUDERDALE, CONTINUING TO PLAY
BASEBALL.
CONTINUING THAT DREAM THAT HE HAS HAD SINCE HE WAS LITTLE.
THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR PAUL
RUSSO'S ORGANIZATION AND THE DRIVE AND BELIEF THAT HE HAS
FOR HIM.
SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT REALLY IS GOING ON WITH THIS MEETING
TODAY, BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS
TAMPA IS A BASEBALL HOT BED AND WE HAVE FIVE OR TEN PEOPLE
DRAFTED EVERY YEAR AND 10 AND 20 KIDS THAT GO TO D-1 SCHOOLS
THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS.
BUT HUNDREDS OF KIDS IN PROGRAM THAT NOBODY KNOWS BUT PAUL
AND HIS COACHES AND WORK WITH THEM TO CONTINUALLY GET
SCHOLARSHIPS WHERE IT CAN BE FOUND.
IT TOOK MY SON GOING TO ALABAMA OUT OF STATE WHERE THEY WANT
THE FLORIDA PLAYERS.
AND THEY GAVE HIM A FULL SCHOLARSHIP FOR TWO YEARS.
THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF HE LISTENED TO HIS COACH.
THAT'S IT.
OKAY, WE ARE DONE.
I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.
SORRY FOR GOING A LITTLE BIT OVER.
BUT THANK YOU.
10:12:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SIR, TO YOUR POINT, MORE HALL OF FAME
BASEBALL PLAYERS PER CAPITA FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA THAN ANY
OTHER CITY IN THIS NATION.
THANK YOU.
10:12:46AM >> UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
MENTESNOT.
THAT IS MY NAME, IT MEANS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY PEOPLE CAN ONLY SEE AND HEAR PEOPLE
THEY ARE AFRAID OF.
PEOPLE CAN ONLY SEE AND HEAR THINGS THAT THEY ARE AFRAID
OF.
RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN ONLY SEE AND HEAR POPE.
SPIRITUAL PEOPLE CAN ONLY HEAR GOD.
POLITICIAN CAN ONLY HEAR DONORS AND LOBBYISTS.
THE STATE CAN ONLY HEAR AND SEE RON DeSANTIS.
IN THIS CITY, THE POLITICIAN CAN ONLY A JEFF VINIK.
AND THE PEOPLE THEY ARE AFRAID OF.
ANYTHING THAT GETS PAST THIS CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THE
HIERARCHY AND CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS SPOKEN.
THE MAYOR IS THE LEAD PUPPET AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE THEIR
CHIEF FOLLOWERS.
IF THE PUBLIC IS UPSET WITH OF THE WATER RECLAMATION, WATER
TREATMENT AND REINTRODUCING SEWAGE WATER BACK INTO THE
SYSTEM TO IMPRESS IN JEFF VINIK IT IS NOT IN HIS BEST
INTEREST.
THIS CITY COUNCIL IS MADE UP OF SCARY INDIVIDUALS THAT
PRESENT THEMSELVES AS NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS THAT HAVE AN
INTEREST IN THE ADVANCE OF SOCIETY.
BUT REGULAR PUBLIC POLITICIANS PROPAGANDA, INDOCTRINATION
AND ORDER FROM THE RULING CLASS.
THE RULING CLASS IS ANTI-WORKING-CLASS, ANTI-POOR,
ANTI-BLACK AND ANTI-INCLUSIVENESS.
PEOPLE ASK, WHY NOT MORE BLACK PEOPLE DOWN HERE?
BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO COME DOWN HERE.
BLACK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF WHITE PEOPLE.
ISN'T BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE ARE COMPLACENT AND REGRESSIVE.
IT ISN'T BECAUSE WE HAVE NO WILL POWER OR AMBITION, IT IS
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TERRORIZE FOR THE PAST 622 YEARS BY AN
AGGRESSIVE POWER-HUNGRY RACE OF PEOPLE THAT TEACH BLACK
PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THE LEADERSHIP OF WHITE TO POWER.
BLACK CON ARTISTS, A BLACK PREACHERS AND BLACK SELLOUTS,
ULTIMATELY MAKING OUR PEOPLE THINK WE ARE OUR OWN PROBLEM.
THEY TELL OUR BLACK WOMEN THAT IT IS OKAY TO GO TO CHILD
SUPPORT AND SNITCH ON OUR MEN.
THEY TEACH OUR MEN TO SNITCH ON ONE ANOTHER.
THEY TEACH OUR STUDENTS AND CHILDREN TO ACT IN CONJUNCTION
WITH THE POLICE.
THEY TELL US TO SAY NO TO DRUGS AS THEY LOCK UP OUR ENTIRE
COMMUNITY.
THEY TELL US TO ACCEPT LOCAL AND NATIONAL LEADERSHIP THAT IS
NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR NEEDS.
HOW IS IT THAT WE CAN HAVE A BLACK CITY COUNCIL
REPRESENTATIVE SINCE 1983, PERRY HARVEY, THAT IS ALL THE WAY
TO 2022, ALMOST 40 YEARS AND NOT ONE CITY COUNCIL
REPRESENTATIVE HAS UTTERED THE WORD "REPARATIONS."
WELL AS STATED, BLACK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF WHITE POWER.
AND IT IS TIME OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND THIS CITY COUNCIL
START TAKING THE WORD REPARATIONS VERY SERIOUS IN
RELATIONSHIP TO THIS CITY THAT HAS BEEN FORMED OVER 157
YEARS AGO.
10:15:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:15:52AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM JENNA, A RESIDENT OF THE CITY AND ALSO A BUSINESS
OWNER.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT FOOD, SHELTER AND WATER IS
BASIC ELEMENTS OF LIFE.
WITHOUT THEM, WE WILL NOT SURVIVE.
I AM A WATER ADVOCATE AND BEGGING THE CITY COUNCILMEN AND
WOMAN TO STOP THIS FUNDING UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY COME UP
WITH SOME CLEAR PLAN BY THE MAYOR.
RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PLAN THAT IS VERY CLEAR.
THERE IS NO REGULATIONS BY THE EPA OR THE FDA FOR SECONDARY
WATER USAGE UNTIL IT GETS FILTERED WHICH WE DON'T KNOW HOW
THEY WILL BE DOING THAT AT THE MOMENT.
THERE ARE OVER 60 CHEMICALS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE NOT TESTED BY
THE EPA.
I AM A HAIRDRESSER.
I AM VERY AWARE OF ALL THESE CHEMICALS.
THE CURRENT STANDARDS FROM THEM -- FROM THE EPA, THEY CAN'T
ACTUALLY -- EVEN IF THEY FOUND SOMETHING IN THE WATER,
THE EPA CAN'T -- THE SUPREME COURT HAS PRETTY MUCH
DISMANTLED THEM.
I AM WORRY OF THE FOREVER CHEMICALS IN THE WATER
THEY HELP PRODUCTS LIKE FRENCH FRIES WHEN YOU TOUCH THEM
THEY DON'T GET HOT, OR TO HELP SPREAD.
WHEN PEOPLE USE THE WATER IT ACTUALLY GOES DOWN THE DRAIN.
THEY ARE IN FOREVER.
THEY DON'T BREAK DOWN.
88% OF AMERICANS ALREADY HAVE FOREVER CHEMICALS IN THEIR
BLOODSTREAM.
WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
JEFF VINIK, THE OIL CEO, THE GLAZER FAMILY, AND THERE ARE
LIKE THREE LIGHTNING PLAYERS, BASEBALL PLAYERS, THE FORMER
CEO OF PUBLIX, JENKINS, AND THE OWNER OF TAMPA MADE FOOD
COMPANY.
THEY ALL USE OVER ONE MILLION GALLONS OF WATER EVERY YEAR.
ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY USES 3.7 MILLION WHICH WAS, LIKE, 250
SOMETHING THOUSAND GALLON AS MONTH.
THE AVERAGE PERSON IN TAMPA USES 70,000 GALLONS A YEAR.
WE WANT TO GO TO FUNDING.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T CHARGE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE
OBVIOUSLY ABUSING THE WATER NOT TO MENTION THEIR BUSINESSES
LIKE MIDTOWN PLAZA IT OPENED USED 240,000 GALLONS OF A WATER
A DAY BEFORE IT OPENED WITH NO RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES OR
NOTHING.
WHY AREN'T THESE PEOPLE GETTING FINED.
I WHO STRUGGLE TO PAY $2,000 TO PAY FOR THESE JERKS USING
THE WATER THAT THE CITY IS CLAIMING ALL DISAPPEARED.
SORRY, THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
GOOD MORNING.
I AM NANCY STEVENS, CONSERVATION CHAIR OF THE SIERRA CLUB OF
TAMPA BAY.
I AM URGING YOU TO VOTE NO TO CONTINUE PURE.
I WANT YOU TO CONTINUE TO VOTE NO OF FURTHER FUNDING OF
PURE.
WHEN THE CITY PROVIDED THE PURE PROPOSAL TO SIERRA CLUB, THE
FRIENDS OF THE RIVER AND SIERRA CLUB, MY PREDECESSOR WOULD
HAVE OBJECTED.
IT IS AN OBVIOUS REBRANDING OF PURE.
OUR GROUP SO-CALLED STAKEHOLDERS DECIDED TO WORK WITH THE
CITY STAFF TO RAISE OUR ISSUES AND CONCERNS COMMUNICATE WHAT
WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE RECOMMENDED OUTSIDE SCIENTISTS TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE
PROPOSAL SO THEY COULD RAISE THE QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED TO
DETERMINE IF PURE WAS EVEN SAFE.
WE RECOMMENDED A PANEL OF EXPERTS TO LOOK AT THE
ALTERNATIVES.
AND INCLUDING NOT USING THE WASTEWATER AT ALL.
AFTER MORE THAN 20 MONTHS, OUR QUESTIONS REMAINED
UNANSWERED.
EXPERT SCIENTIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS IGNORED AND ALTERNATIVES
TO WASTEWATER HAS NOT BEEN SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED.
CITIZENS CONCERNS OF DRINKING RECLAIMED WATER IS DISMISSED
AS THE ICK FACTOR.
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND DRINKING WATER THAT COME FROM TOILETS AND
INDUSTRIAL WASTE MEAN AND HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.
WHAT CONTAMINANTS IN THE WATER.
YOU HEARD SOME OF THEM TODAY.
ARE THE LEVELS SAFE?
ARE THE LEVELS OF COULD BE TAM MAN IN THE SAFE?
HOW WILL THE CITY DETERMINE IF THEY ARE SAFE?
THE CITY HAS NOT BEGUN TO ADDRESS THOSE LEGITIMATE ISSUES.
CITIZENS ASK, WELL, WHY NOT TO DOING IS ELSE.
EXPANDING RECLAIMED WATER IN PURPLE PIPES TO WATER LAWNS HAS
BEEN DISMISSED AS TOO EXPENSIVE.
REGIONAL SOLUTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED.
IF YOU GO TO THE VIDEO, THEY SAY THERE WILL BE DROUGHTS.
WE DON'T LIVE IN THE ARID WEST.
WHY USE THE WASTEWATER?
IT WAS MENTIONED SENATE BILL 64 IS REQUIRING US TO USE IT.
THE CITY HAS MADE NO ATTEMPTS TO PUSH BACK ON THE
LEGISLATION.
THE STAKEHOLDERS GROUP PROVIDED A TECHNICAL PAPER DESCRIBING
WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH THE WASTEWATER IS A
BENEFICIAL USE.
HOPE THAT THE CITY WILL TAKE THAT PAPER AND SUBMIT AN
APPLICATION TO THE DEP AND STAKEHOLDERS AND CITY COUNCIL
WILL REVIEW THAT BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE DEP.
WE HOPE THAT THE CITY MAKES AN HONEST ATTEMPT TO GET THE
PRESSURES OF SB 64 OFF OF US.
IN FEBRUARY WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE 1.2 IN FUNDING.
THAT MONEY HAS NOT BEEN CONSULTANTED FOR.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE RESULTS AND SURPRISE BY THIS ORIGINAL
ASK.
AND WE URGE TO YOU SAY NO TO THE FUNDING.
FORTUNATELY WE ARE IN A WATER CRISIS AT THE MOMENT.
WE NEED TO TAKE TIME FOR WATER SAFETY STANDARDS TO BE SET
AND WORK WITH TAMPA BAY WATER AND REGIONAL SOLUTIONS.
PLEASE STOP PAYING POLITICS WITH THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND
POCKET BOOKS OF THE PEOPLE OF COMPANY.
PUT THE PEEP OF TAMPA FIRST.
THANK YOU.
10:22:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:22:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
I AM SPEAKING ON ITEMS 5 AND 6 ON THE AGENDA.
I AM ASKING YOU TO VOTE THIS PROJECT DOWN AND NOT PROVIDE
FURTHER FUNDING.
MY NAME IS B. JOHN OVINK, A FRIEND OF THE RIVER.
I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR FREE AND FRESH WATER TO FLOW INTO
THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
GROWING FRUSTRATION I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE STAKEHOLDER
GROUP DISCUSSING MAYOR CASTOR'S LEGACY PROJECT, PURE.
FOR THE PAST FEW DECADES, TAMPA HAS BEEN ATTEMPTING TO
TRANSFORM WASTEWATER INTO DRINKING WATER.
YOU REMEMBER THE TOILET TO TAP.
THE FIRST LOOK AT PURE LOOKED LIKE TAP.
A CITY HAD A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES TO TAP.
EIGHT ALTERNATIVES WERE PROPOSED.
GROWING PERSISTENCE THE CITY HAS REFUSED OR RELUCTANTLY
AGREED TO SERIOUSLY DISCUSS THESE ALTERNATIVES INCLUDING
OTHER POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS SUCH AS ADVOCATING CONSERVATION,
POSTPONING THE DEADLINE AND JOINING WITH OTHER STATE WATER
DEPARTMENTS.
CITY HAS NOT ENGAGED IN HONEST DISCUSSION AND UNBIASED
ALTERNATIVES TO TAP.
IT IS TO BEIOUS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN INTERESTED IN
PURSUING ANY OTHER OPTION OTHER THAN TAP.
MR. BEAMER TELLS US HE HAS BEEN LISTENING.
LISTENING IS NICE.
LISTENING DOES NOT COMMIT.
LISTENING MEANS GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, TALKING TO
PEOPLE AND TELLING THEM ABOUT ALTERNATIVES AND LISTENING TO
THEIR ANSWERS.
THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THE CITY IS ASKING FOR
MORE MONEY, ANOTHER MILLION AND CHANGE.
COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FUNDING ON SPECIFIC CONDITION
THAT THE CITY DOES OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC.
TO DATE, NO MEANINGFUL UNBIASED OUTREACH HAS TAKEN PLACE.
STAKEHOLDERS CONSISTENTLY HAVE BEEN FED INCOMPLETE
INFORMATION.
CITY HAVEN'T TOLD YOU WHAT THEY USED THE MONEY FOR, AND NOW
THEY WANT MORE.
FOR THIS REASON ALONE I ASK YOU THAT YOU REFUSE FLORIDA
FUNDING.
FOR 22 MONTHS, THE CITY HAS BEEN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, IS
IT SAFE, IS IT NEEDED AND HOW MUCH WILL IT COST.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY ANSWERS OTHER THAN "TRUST US."
AND NO, IT IS NOT THE ICK FACTOR I OBJECT TO.
I HAVE DRUNK AND SWAM IN WATER WITH POOP IN IT.
TRAVELING THROUGH EGYPT AND INDIA I DRANK TAP WATER THAT
CAME FROM THE NILE AND THE GANGES.
NO INDUSTRIAL.
NOT POOP I AM CONCERNED WITH.
POOP GIVES YOU THE RUNS.
NOTHING ELSE.
CHEMICALS, PFAS, HORMONES, MEDICATION I AM CONCERNED WITH.
NO DRINKING WATER STANDARDS FOR PFAS WHICH MEAN THE CITY
DOES NOT EVEN NEED TO STREET FOR IT.
AFTER 22 MONTHS OF LISTENING, YOU STILL HAVEN'T GIVEN US THE
ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS HOW IT WILL BE MADE SAFE FOR MY
GRANDDAUGHTER TO DRINK.
I AM OPPOSED TO PUTTING TREATED WASTEWATER IN THE AQUIFER
INTO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WITHOUT SCIENTIFIC PROOF THAT IT
IS SAFE FOR WILDLIFE AND HUMANS, UNTIL IT SAFE AND
AFFORDABLE, FUNDS FOR IT MUST BE STOPPED.
I ASK FOR YOU TO VOTE THIS PROJECT DOWN.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:25:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MARY WILLA MATS.
AND I AM SPEAKING TO ITEMS 5 AND 6 ON THE AGENDA.
MY GRADUATE WORK WITH IN INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE.
AND THAT INCLUDES DEALING WITH HAZARD MATERIALS, MANAGEMENT,
AND I WORK FOR A LARGE COMPLEX HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THAT --
AND PART OF MY JOB WAS DOING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS MANAGEMENT.
THE REASON I AM SAYING THIS IS BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
AND THE CONTAMINANTS.
SOME CONTAMINANTS IN THE EFFLUENT FROM OUR WASTEWATER THAT
ARE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
SUCH -- OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TALKED IT, BUT THE FOREVER
CHEMICALS, AS THEIR NAME IMPLIES, STAYS WITHIN THE TISSUES
OF ALL CREATURES, PEOPLE, ANIMALS, ETC. BASICALLY FOREVER.
AND THEY ARE SO HARMFUL THAT THE EPA WANTS THE LIMITS TO BE
AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO ZERO DUE TO A GROWING BODY OF
RESEARCH THAT SHOWS HOW TOXIC THEY ARE.
AND THAT IS A QUOTE FROM AN EPA DOCUMENTS.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO DRINKING WATER STANDARDS FOR MOST
FOREVER CHEMICALS, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN FOUND IN DRINKING
WATER.
OTHER CONTAMINANTS OF CONCERN ARE PHARMACEUTICALS, HORMONES,
WASTE FROM INDUSTRIES, MICRO BIOLOGICALS AND OTHERS.
AND REMEMBER FOREVER CHEMICALS ARE A GROUP OF THESE AS WELL.
THE CITY MUST PROTECT OUR CITIZENS FROM THESE HAZARDOUS
MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND IN SEWAGE EFFLUENT AND NOT CONSIDER
ADDING SUCH SOURCES OF WATER TO IT THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER,
THE SOURCE OF OUR DRINKING WATER, OR TO THE AQUIFER AND
ENSURE THAT WE HAVE CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT PROVE
NO HARM TO PEOPLE, NO HARM TO OUR WILDLIFE, AND NO HARM TO
OUR ENVIRONMENT.
VOTE NO ON PURE.
I ALSO AGREE WITH OTHERS THAT TAMPA SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD
AMONG FLORIDA CITIES AND WATER DISTRICTS TO REQUEST AN
EXTENSION TO SENATE BILL 64 TO 2040 AT LEAST.
THIS EXTENSION WOULD GIVE TIME FOR THE EPA AND/OR THE DEP
TO PROMULGATE HEALTH, SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS TO
REVISIONS TO EXISTING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND FOR NEWLY
IDENTIFIED CONTAMINANTS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR TIME .
[APPLAUSE]
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS TERESA POTTER.
I AM A RESIDENT, A CITIZEN OF TAMPA, RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
BUT I AM A PRESIDENT OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, A MEMBER OF THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
A LOT OF PRESS THAT HAS BEEN ON THE PURE PROJECT SINCE
MONDAY HAS POINTED OUT THAT THE OPPOSITION IS FROM
ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS.
THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE
LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS IN GENERAL IS MORE CONCERNED OF
INFORMING THE ELECTORATE.
SINCE 1920, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS SINCE 1949, THE LEAK
OF WOMEN VOTERS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS MADE IT OUR
PRIORITY TO HAVE OUR CITIZENS BE INFORMED AND INVOLVED IN
THE DECISIONS AND ISSUES THAT AFFECT THEM.
SO I WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR ACTION IN
FEBRUARY.
I COMMEND YOU FOR INSTEAD OF FULLY FUNDING THE PURE PROJECT
AND MOVING FORWARD THAT THE MONEY THAT WAS GIVEN AT THAT
MEETING WAS DIRECTED TOWARD PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ANALYSIS OF
OTHER OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES ON THIS PROJECT.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT IS NOT JUST AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE
AND ALSO AN OVERSIGHT, TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC OUTREACH
ISSUE.
PUBLIC OUTREACH TO SOME PEOPLE MAY FINDING OUT HOW MANY
PEOPLE ARE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
AS CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, YOU GET CALLS ACHED E-MAILS AND YOU
JUDGE WHAT YOUR CITIZENS ARE FOR OR AGAINST A SUBJECT.
FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
I JUDGE IT WHEN I AM OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TALKING TO PEOPLE
WHAT THE LOOK IS ON THEIR FACE WHEN I ASK THEM ABOUT
SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW THE LOOK I AM TALKING ABOUT.
YOU EITHER GET ENGAGE 789 AND QUESTIONS -- ENGAGEMENT AND
QUESTIONS OR YOU GET A COMPLETELY BLANK FACE.
PRIOR TO MONDAY, HE DIDN'T AT THAT YOU CAN TO A SINGLE
PERSON THAT DIDN'T HAVE A BLANK FACE WHEN I ASKED THEM ABOUT
THE PURE PROJECT AND GAVE THEM SOME COUNTY DETAILS ABOUT IT.
AS OF MONDAY, I HAVE PEOPLE ASKING ME INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
I HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC -- K-12 PUBLIC EDUCATION ADVOCATE.
I TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE EVERY DAY INCLUDING PARENTS IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
I STARTED GETTING TEXTS ON MONDAY ABOUT THE PURE PROJECT FOR
THE FIRST TIME.
THEN WITH MY OTHER HAT -- I HAVE A MASTER'S IN LIBRARY
SCIENCE AND IN A PREVIOUS LIFE, I WAS A AN ELEMENTARY AND
HIGH SCHOOL MEDIA SPECIALIST AND TAUGHT CLASSES ON INFORMATION
AND DISINFORMATION.
THE INFORMATION THAT STARTED COMING OUT SINCE MONDAY, QUOTES
FROM CITY STAFF WERE CONCERNING AS WELL.
ONE WAS ADDRESSED BY SOMEBODY PREVIOUSLY THAT SAID THE
REASON PEOPLE ARE AGAINST THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE ICK FACTOR
WHICH I NEVER HEARD ANYONE TALK ABOUT.
OTHER ON THAT IT IS NOT A PROJECT.
A BIDDING PROCESS AND STAFF WAS ASKED TO -- IT IS A PROJECT
BUT NOT A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT AT THIS POINT.
FOR OVER 20 MONTHS, THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.
THEY DIDN'T -- ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PRESS ASKED US,
THEY ARE COME -- THEY ARE COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ASKING
FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH.
AREN'T YOU HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
IF THIS WAS THE FIRST MILLION DOLLARS, YES, BUT NO
CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MILLION DOLLARS ALREADY MEANT TO BE
SPENT ON THAT.
SO IT IS TIME TO KILL THIS PROJECT.
AND WORK ON SOMETHING ELSE.
THANK YOU.
10:31:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:32:04AM >> HI, MY NAME IS VALERIE BULLOCK, A RESIDENT OF EAST
COMPANY.
AND I WANT TO QUALIFY.
I HAVE A WASTEWATER LICENSE FROM DEP.
AC DRINKING WATER LICENSE FROM DEP.
I SAT 33 YEARS AGO FOR MY STATE BOARD.
I TOOK TWO STATE BOARDS AT THE SAME TIME.
PASSED THEM BOTH AT THE FIRST TRY.
I WAS SWORN IN TO PROTECT THE WATER.
AND FROM THAT DAY FORWARD, THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING.
I STILL HAVE THE SAME ZEAL AND PASSION, THIS PURE PROJECT
NEEDS TO BE DUMPED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
A WASTE OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY.
THE TOILET TO TAP HAS BEEN AROUND FOREVER.
PUMP IT INTO THE AQUIFER.
WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THE AQUIFER IT WAS TO
LEAK BEFORE IT IS TIME.
DO WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT?
NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
AND THIS IS NOTHING BUT A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN JUST
LIKE PINEY POINT.
WE SAT THERE AND WE MADE ALL OF THESE EX-TUESDAYS, DID RING
AROUND THE WASTEWATER.
PUT IT HERE.
PUT IT THERE.
WE NEVER DEAL WITH THE RIGHT ISSUE.
THEN YEARS LATER, IT COMES BACK AND NOW IT IS A HOT FIGHT.
WE GOT TO PUT THIS OUT.
AND WHAT DO WE DO?
WE RELEASE SOME OF THE WATER INTO HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
NOW WE HAVE RED TIDE AND FISH KILL EVERYWHERE.
THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO BE DUMPED.
AND THE MONEY THAT BEING SPENT ON IT, IT CAN BE PUT INTO
SOMETHING USEFUL.
AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS THE A IN, THAT WANTS TO PUSH THINGS
THROUGH BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS NEPOTISM, MONEY TRAIL GO BACK TO THEIR
FRIENDS, BUT WE HAVE A CHECK AND BALANCE IN EVERY SYSTEM.
AND WE GOT TO START USING IT.
THIS IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY.
WASTEWATER IS 99.9% PURE LIKE IVORY SOAP.
IF WE TREAT IT PROPERLY AND WE CONTINUE TO DO LIKE WE HAVE
BEEN DOING, WE WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
WE HAVE DEP EPA AND S.W.F.W.M.D. MONITORING US.
THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY HAVE TO MEET OR BEAT THE FEDERAL
GUIDELINES WHEN IT COMES TO TREATING THE WASTEWATER.
AND I AM -- LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE SAY, LET'S -- LET'S TAKE A
JUMP START.
LET'S ASK FOR A VARIANCE.
LET'S SAY WE WILL INSTALL THIS IN 2040.
GIVE US TIME TO MAKE SOME KIND OF OTHER ARRANGEMENTS.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE JUST ONE THING.
VOTE PURE.
HERE GOES $5 MILLION.
VOTE FOR PURE.
I LIKE CHOICES.
LET'S SEE WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE.
SINCE WE HAVE THE WASTEWATER PLAN ALREADY WORKING, LET'S SEE
WHAT WE CAN TO DO MAKE THAT BETTER TO FORTIFY SO IT WILL BE
AROUND LONG ENOUGH.
I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, THEY USE TO HAVE A TV
COMMERCIAL WITH THE INDIAN ON THE BOAT, TEARS GOING DOWN HIS
EYE FROM THE WATER GETTING POLLUTE AND CONTAMINATED.
WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO GO FORWARD, NOT BACKWARD AND WATER IS
THE GREATEST RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE NEED TO PROTECT IT.
THAT'S IT.
[APPLAUSE]
10:35:39AM >> JOHN MOLL, 4104 NORTH LYNN, AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I PROBABLY LIVED ON THAT CORNER FOR 70 YEARS, SO I HAVE SEEN
A LOT OF CHANGES, YOU MIGHT SAY.
AND I HAVE SEEN A BU BOONDOGGLES OCCURRING.
YOU GO TO CREST AND CENTRAL, YOU WILL SEE A BIG BOONDOGGLE
GOING ON TRYING TO GET A BIT OF STORMWATER.
I JUST HEARD ABOUT PURE.
I JOINED THE FRIENDS OF THE RIVER YESTERDAY AND THEY TOLD ME
ABOUT THIS MEET SO HERE I AM AT.
CAN ANY OF YOU COUNCILPEOPLE TELL ME HOW MUCH MY UTILITY
BILL WILL GO UP IF THIS PURE PROJECT GOES THROUGH?
I SEE A LOT OF STONY FACES.
NO ANSWER.
I KNOW I WAS BANNED FROM ANYBODY SPEAKING TO ME BECAUSE I
HAD LITIGATION BEFORE, BUT I HAVE NO LITIGATION BEFORE YOU
NOW.
SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR YOU RESPOND IF YOU WISH TO.
I HAVE TOLD THAT THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE AT A MINIMUM OF
$2 BILLION.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE INTEREST OF THAT?
AT 5 IS $100 MILLION A YEAR.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT?
HOW MUCH IS MY ATTORNEY BILL GOING TO GO UP?
YOU WILL TAX ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
YOU TRIED IT WITH STORMWATER BUT I KIND OF PREVAILED ON
THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW -- DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW HOT MY -- HIGH MY
UTILITY BILL.
YOU SEE -- MITIGATED THE FACT THAT I DON'T USE ANY CITY
WATER FOR DRINKING.
I DON'T USE THE CITY SEWER AND DON'T USE STORMWATER.
IT CAN BE DONE.
RIGHT THERE I HAVE DONE IT.
SO THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.
BUT -- STILL, I AM WAITING FOR HOW MUCH IS MY BILL GOING TO
GO UP OR WILL IT GO UP AT ALL?
I SUSPECT THAT IT WON'T GO UP AT ALL, BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING
TO GO OUT AND GET A BOND AND PUT IT ON THE TAX BILL.
IF I DON'T PAY THE TAX BILL, YOU ARE GOING TO FORECLOSE.
I SUSPECT THIS WILL HAPPEN.
BUT I CAN WAIT FOR AN ANSWER HOW MUCH MY UTILITY BILL WILL
GO UP.
HOW LONG AM I GOING TO WAIT, THREE MINUTES.
10:37:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN I RESPOND.
10:37:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:37:50AM >> MAYBE CAN RESPONDS.
10:37:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT I CAN SAY IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL
COST.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST.
I LIKE A FIGHTER.
YOUR LITIGATION IS OVER.
CONGRATULATIONS FOR COMING HERE MANY, MANY YEARS AND BEING
STRONG TO FIGHT.
I PARTLY CLOUDY YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.
10:38:15AM >> A BALLPARK FIGURE.
$39, ALMOST $40 NOW.
WILL IT BE $400 WHEN THIS THING GOES THROUGH OR $4,000.
10:38:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
10:38:24AM >> NOBODY KNOWS.
10:38:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HANG ON, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, GO TO
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA NEXT.
10:38:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. MOLL.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU.
I NEVER SEEN ONE THAT HAVE ZEROS FOR A YEAR, ALL THE DAY
DOWN.
YOU ARE A TRUE ENVIRONMENTALISTS NOT THOSE THAT WANT TO TALK
ABOUT IT, BUT THOSE WHO DO WHAT OTHERS TALK ABOUT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK, AND THEY DON'T DO.
YOU DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT.
AND I ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT.
10:38:56AM >> AND YOU DO TOO.
10:38:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I TRIED.
HONEST TO GOD, I TRIED, BUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT RAN ME
OVER.
I TELL YOU WHY, FOR 11 MONTHS I HAD ZEROS AND ONE OF MY GOAL
TO HAVE IT LIKE YOURS, ALL THE WAY ZEROS.
HOWEVER, ON THAT 12th, I GOT A ONE UNIT.
I WAS PERTURBED AT MYSELF, NOT THE CITY.
I PUT THE BILL DOWN.
A WEEK OR SO LATER I SAID LET ME CHECK THAT BILL AGAIN.
I LOOKED AT IT.
GUESS WHAT HAPPENED.
INSTEAD OF CHECKING THE WATER ON THE 30th DAY, THEY CHECKED
IT ON THE 33rd DAY.
SO IN MY MIND, I STILL DON'T HAVE A ZERO AND THE WATER
DEPARTMENT GOT ME.
BUT IT WAS FAIR AND SQUARE.
THAT IS IN THE TRANSITION CHANGING THE WAY THEY WERE
COLLECTING THE METERS AND READING THE METER AND I GOT CAUGHT
IN THE TWO-DAY DIFFERENCE.
I AM NOT APOLOGETIC.
I ADMIRE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
WHEN YOU FIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING, NOT ABOUT WINNING OR LOSING
BUT DOING YOUR BEST AND NOT TO LOSE.
10:40:00AM >> THANK YOU.
10:40:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FEW OF US DO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND I
ADMIRE FOR THAT.
YOU ARE A TRUE ENVIRONMENTALIST.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT I AM AN VIRALIST AND DON'T HAVE R
HAVE UNIT, I HAVE TEN.
I DON'T TO HEAR IT IF I DRIVE A CADILLAC INSTEAD OF A
ELECTRIC CAR.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR SPENDING $900 A MONTH IN ELECTRICITY
AND DON'T HAVE ANY SOLAR.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS BUT THE PUBLIC.
I ADMIRE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BILL IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE I DON'T
KNOW THE TRUE COST.
10:40:35AM >> I HOPE YOU VOTE NO.
[LAUGHTER]
[APPLAUSE]
10:40:41AM >> THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE CAN TELL ME WHAT THE BILL IS GOING TO BE.
10:40:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:40:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU TO DO TRY TO SAVE RESOURCE.
WE SHOULD HAVE YOU DO A CLASS FOR ALL OF US IN THE COMMUNITY
TO TEACH US HOW TO DO THAT.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WE DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR AT LEAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
THE GROUP AROUND YOU THE ROOM HAVE BEEN ASKING AND A LOT OF
DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
WHEN IT FIRST CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL THREE AND A HALF
YEARS AGO IT WAS $350 MILLION.
AND INCLUDED IN THE PIPES PROGRAM THAT WAS -- IF I REMEMBER
CORRECTLY, $3.2 BILLION.
I ASKED -- I MADE A MOTION TO HAVE THE $350 MILLION TAKEN
OUT AND APPROVE 2.85 FOR THE PIPES PROGRAM.
THEN THE WATER DEPARTMENT TALKED AND SAID IN THE ROOM AND
CAME BACK AND SAID CAN YOU ONLY TAKE YOU TO THE $300
MILLION.
SO SUDDENLY WITHIN A FEW MINUTES THE PRICE DROPPED FROM $350
MILLION TO $300 MILLION.
TOOK THAT OUT.
THE PIPES PROGRAM FOR 2.9 BILLION IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY
ADDED TO THE AVERAGE WATER RATE ABOUT $36 A MONTH.
AND I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE AVERAGE WATER RATE
WAS ABOUT $40 A MONTH AT THAT TIME.
HAD WE INCLUDED PURE AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD HAVE INCREASE IT
ANOTHER FEW DOLLARS.
IF MY NUMBERS ARE A SLIGHTLY OFF, I APOLOGIZE -- SPEAKING
WITH COVID HEAD RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEN WE ASKED THAT ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS ASKED THEM TO
DO A FULLER ANALYSIS TO TELL US THE TOTAL COST OVER 30
YEARS.
A PRESENTATION YOU CAN WATCH ON VIDEO WHERE THE CONSULTANTS
SAY -- OF THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, 2.1 TO 3.6 BILLION
DOLLARS.
AND THEN -- A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT SPOKE
AT A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND SOMEONE SAID, ISN'T IT
GOING TO COST $6 BILLION AND MAYBE DOUBLE OUR WATER RATES?
10:42:38AM >> YOU USE THE SAME CORRELATION OF 2.9 BILLION FOR THE PIPES
PROGRAM THAT RAISED THE BILL BY $36.
IF AN AVERAGE OF $3 BILLION TO $4 BILLION, SHOULD RAISE IT
BY $40 TO $50 A MONTH AND THOSE ARE MY ROUGH BEHIND THE
NAPKIN CALCULATIONS.
WATER DEPARTMENT PERSON LAUGHED AND SAY COST SEVERAL HUNDRED
THOUSAND.
I POINTED THIS OUT IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND A
SCATHING LETTER THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT SAID I AM MISLEADING
THE PUBLIC TELLING THE PUBLIC THE TOTAL COST INSTEAD OF
CAPITAL COST AND I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED THAT THE INDUSTRY
STANDARD IS TO ONLY USE CAPITAL COSTS INSTEAD OF TOTAL
COSTS.
I HAVE WORKED AROUND ENGINEERS FOR A LONG TIME AND I KNOW
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
THE TRUTH IS WE DON'T KNOW.
IF YOU SAW THE RECENT PRESS, THE WATER DEPARTMENT IS SAYING
WE DON'T KNOW THE COST SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON IT
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE OUT THERE.
THE REALITY IS WE DIDN'T HAVE AN HONEST ALTERNATIVES
ANALYSIS AND PROBABLY WON'T AGAIN WITH THE CONFIGURATION THE
WAY IT IS.
IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE ESTIMATES THEY WERE GIVING US BEFORE
AND COMPARE IT TO PIPES, MY ROUGH ESTIMATE BETWEEN $40 TO
$50 A MONTH TO FOR THE AVERAGE USER.
YOU MAY NOT PAY EXTRA, BUT AN AVERAGE USER WOULD.
10:43:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:43:58AM >> JUST -- MAYBE I CAN RESPONDS A LITTLE BIT.
THEY TALK OF THE AQUIFER WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE PUMPED.
MY UNDER STANDING IS THERE WERE THREE AQUIFERS, THE
SHALLOW, PERMIDAN AND BRINE AQUIFER.
WHERE IS THE AQUIFER -- I USE WELL WATER AND I WOULD HATE
FOR MY SHALLOW WELL TO BE CONTAMINATED.
THANK YOU.
10:44:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
[APPLAUSE]
IF I SEE NO ONE ELSE GETTING UP, MISS LOCKETT.
WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER IN CHAMBERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I AM SORRY?
MISS VILA WILL BE THE LAST.
10:44:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS STILL HOUSING.
I WAS SITTING HERE AND DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PURE.
JUST HEARD REMNANTS OF IT.
AND BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, MY QUESTION WAS
JUST LIKE THE LEGAL OF WOMEN VOTERS, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
HOW MUCH HAS BEEN DONE.
NOT JUST WITH THE NUMBERS BUT REALLY EDUCATION IN REGARDS TO
FULL PROCESS.
WHAT IFS.
WHAT IF THIS WORKS.
WHAT IF IT DOESN'T WORK.
WHAT IS YOUR BACK-UP PLAN IN CASE IT DOESN'T.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS NOW WITH REGARDS TO THIS PURE
PROJECT.
AND IF EVERYONE BACK HERE HAVE QUESTIONS, PEOPLE THAT IS ON
TELEVISION WILL HAVE QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT IS FAIR BECAUSE
IT IS THE PEOPLE'S MONEY THAT YOU GUYS EITHER DISMANTLE AND
REDO IT OR COME TO A CONSENSUS OF REDOING SOMETHING OR SLOW
IT SO THAT EVERYTHING CAN BE -- WE TALKED OF TRANSPARENCY.
WE ALWAYS TALK OF TRANSPARENCY.
AND IF YOU -- IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE -- HAS IT WHERE
THEY CAN NOT ANSWER A QUESTION FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN
THAT IS A PROBLEM.
WHEN THEY WANT A QUESTION -- AN ANSWER ABOUT A QUESTION,
THAT IS A PROBLEM.
I'M HERE TO SAY I HEARD COMMUNITY OUTREACH, REASSURANCE.
REGULATIONS ARE CONCERNED.
WHEN WE SAID TODAY, REGULATIONS ARE ONE THING ONE MINUTE,
AND THEN THEY ARE LESSENED DOWN THE LINE.
HOW CAN PEOPLE BE -- FEEL SAFE, AND EVEN IN THE POOR
COMMUNITIES.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE IS -- THERE WILL BE MISTRUST IN
EVERYTHING.
WHY DO SUCH A BIG PROJECT WHEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT,
WHICH GARNER MISTRUST WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES -- NOT
COMMUNITY, BUT COMMUNITIES.
THAT IS MY INPUT ON THAT.
MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS STILL HOUSING.
AND I WILL SEE YOU SOON ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
10:46:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
[APPLAUSE]
10:47:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:47:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MISS LOCKETT.
COME HERE.
THE STRENGTH YOU HAVE -- CONDOLENCES.
10:47:11AM >> DON'T MAKE ME CRY.
I AM GOING TO CRY.
10:47:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WOULD BE HERE TODAY, BUT
I HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR YOU -- I BELIEVE IT IS SPECIAL.
MY COLLEAGUES WOULD AGREE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION TO
COMMUNITY ACTIVIST ROBIN LOCKETT FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
10:47:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
10:47:41AM >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:47:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.
SANDY SANCHEZ, HOME OF THE MOSQUITO INFESTED PARK.
I BROUGHT MARTHA VILA TO BE HERE TODAY.
10:48:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, GUIDO MANISCALCO, OUR REPRESENTATIVE AND ALL
MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE YEAR 2022.
I BET YOU ARE SURPRISED TO SEE ME HERE.
BUT YOU KNOW HERE I AM CONTINUING TO DO BATTLE FOR THIS
UNIQUE STORY OF THE VALLEY OF 14 CHILDREN, SEVEN BOYS AND
SEVEN GIRLS ALL BORN AND RAISED IN OUR WEST TAMPA BACK YARD.
AND I KNOW SOON YOU WILL BE ASKING ME SOON HOW OLD I AM.
SO I AM GOING TO TELL YOU.
NEXT YEAR IN AUGUST, THE PARK IS FINISHED.
WE CAN ALL MEET THERE TO CELEBRATE MY 90th BIRTHDAY.
[APPLAUSE]
AND YOU CAN, AGAIN, HEAR THE STORY OF WILLIE AND JOE AND
HECTOR AND W MILFORD, I CAN'T FORGET EVERYBODY, W MILFORD,
ROBERT, NINO AND TONY.
THESE BROTHERS GAVE ALMOST 50 YEARS OF THEIR LIFE TOTAL IN
COMBAT DUTY WILLING TO GIVE ALL FOR YOURS AND MY FREEDOM.
THEIR MOTHER, CARMEN, PROMISING NEVER TO EAT BREAD AGAIN FOR
THE SAFE RETURN OF HER SONS AND HER PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED
WHEN ON JULY 4 OF 2005, ALL THE SEVEN BROTHERS WERE PRESENT
AT THE DEDICATION OF THIS PARK TODAY, ONLY FIVE BROTHERS
LIVE.
TODAY ONLY TWO BROTHERS LIVE, FIVE HAVE PASSED AWAY.
IT WAS QUITE A MOVING DAY AND A PROUD DAY FOR OUR CITY OF
TAMPA TO INTRODUCE THESE MEN WHO SO ELOQUENTLY REPRESENTED
OUR FREEDOM.
ALL I COME TO YOU WITH THE APPRECIATION OF ALL THE SUPPORT
THE CITY COUNCIL HAS GIVEN, I ALSO COME TO YOU IS A SOMEWHAT
EMBARRASSED TO BE SEEKING ANSWERS TO THE SAME QUESTIONS WE
HAVE ASKED FOR SO VERY MANY TIMES, WHEN WILL BE PARK BE
COMPLETED.
HOW MANY DIFFERENT ANSWERS WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE SAME
QUESTION.
IS IT -- IS IT SO DIFFICULT THAT REQUIRES SO MUCH TIME AND
EFFORT TO COMPLETE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT?
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS DONE THESE PARKS NUMEROUS TIMES AND
BEFORE IT HAS NOT TAKEN 17 YEARS.
CERTAINLY WE ARE OVERDO FOR A TRUE ANSWER.
ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS AND NO ACTIONS SPEAK A TRUE
STATEMENT.
FINALLY FOUR MONTHS MONTHS AGO EXCITEMENT WHEN A CREW CAME
TO THE PARK WITH MACHINERY AND BEGAN TO TEAR DOWN THE
BASKETBALL COURT.
IT AND THE WORK HAD STARTED.
IN ADDITION TO THIS SMALL WORK THAT ONLY DESTROYED THE
BASKETBALL COURT, THERE HAS BEEN LEFT A MUD PUDDLE FOR
MOSQUITOES TO BREED THE LAST SIX MONTHS UNTOUCHED AND
UNCARED FOR.
THE COMMUNITY THAT SURROUNDS THIS PARK AND THE GREAT WORD
WITH RESIDENTS AND SANDY SANCHEZ HAS BEEN A STRONG VOICE FOR
THE PARK.
THE COMMUNITY HAS GROWN SO VERY MUCH AND SURROUNDED WITH
VIBRANT YOUNG FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN SEEKING AND NEEDING A
PLACE TO GROW, LEARN PLAY AND BE FREE.
WHY HAS THIS PROJECT BEEN LEFT SO NEGLECTED.
THANK YOU, SANDY, FOR YOUR FAITHFULNESS.
IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THANKS TO MAYOR CASTOR AND THE CITY
COUNCIL, $1.7 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED TO COMPLETE THE PARK
WITH PROMISE THAT THE WORK WOULD START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WE ARE HERE ONE YEAR LATER WITH THE FACT THAT REALLY NOTHING
HAS BEEN DONE OR ACCOMPLISHED.
OUR HONORABLE MAYOR JANE CASTOR MANY THANKS FOR THE PARKS
THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGED AND EXTENDED TO THE VILA FAMILY IN
YEARS OF WORE WORK FOR THIS PARK AND ALL THE WORDS THAT
STAFF HAS GIVEN TO US.
BUT THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS WITH NO REAL ANSWER.
NO WILL IS ATTACHED TO THIS QUESTION.
BUT PRIDE AND RESPECT FOR OUR LEADERS YOU WHO CARRY A HEAVY
LOAD OF PEACE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE WONDERFUL CITY WE CALL
HOME.
PLEASE ACCEPT THIS PLEA FOR A TRUTHFUL ANSWER.
WE WANT A FULL PATRIOTIC OF THE COLORS WAVING RED, WHITE AND
BLUE, NOT ONLY FOR THE SEVEN BROTHERS BUT ALL THOSE WHO
SERVED AND GENERATIONS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE IN
DEFENSE TO OF OUR FREEDOM.
THIS PARK, WHEN COMPLETED, IS CERTAIN TO BECOME THE HOME OF
THE FREE, BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE.
AN AIR OF FREEDOM WHEN YOU ENTER ITS GROUNDS.
THE COLORS OF RED, WHITE AND BLUES WAVING FLAGS OF STARS AND
STRIPES.
WE ASK THAT GOD GRANT THIS WORLD PEACE AND SERVE AS A SYMBOL
OF FREEDOM TO OUR CITY OF TAMPA.
WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE PARK, BUT UNTIL THEN, GOD BLESS
AMERICA.
10:53:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:53:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
GOOD MORNING, MR. VILA.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE EMBARRASSED.
THE WHOLE PROCESS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY
THAT THE PARK IS NOT COMPLETED.
BECAUSE BEING HERE FOR THE LAST SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS, I
HAVE SEEN WHEN SOMETHING HAS A DEADLINE AND SOMEONE OR
WHATEVER WANTS IT TO GET DONE, IT GETS DONE.
MY FAVORITE PART OF REFERENCE WAS JULIAN B. LANE PARK $30
MILLION WHICH WAS A COMPLETE RENOVATION OF A PARK AND HAD A
DEADLINE OF MOTHER'S DAY.
I WAS THERE BECAUSE I HAVE THE PHOTOS AND VIDEO WHEN THE
MAYOR I CAN'T WAS IN THE BACKHOE, WHATEVER IT WAS TO DO THE
GROUNDSBREAKING.
AGAIN THAT MOTHER'S DAY WEEKENDS WAS THE DEADLINE AND THAT'S
WHEN WE WERE THERE.
THE PARK WAS ALMOST TO FULL COMPLETION BUT OPEN TO THE
PUBLIC.
THIS IS AN EXISTING PARK BECAUSE I HAVE DRIVEN BY VILA
BROTHERS PARK.
I REMEMBER THE DEDICATION BACK IN 2005 WHEN ALL SEVEN
BROTHERS WERE ALIVE UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION.
I DID WHAT I WAS ASKED TO DO IS TRY TO GET THE MONEY IN THE
BUDGET.
I GOT THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET WITH THE GRACIOUSNESS OF THE
ADMINISTRATION.
THE $1.7 MILLION, $1.8 MILLION TO COMPLETE IT.
I VOTED FOR THE BUDGET.
WE PASSED THE BUDGET.
THE FISCAL YEAR ENDS SEPTEMBER 30 AND BEGINS OCTOBER 1.
THAT WAS 2021, TO OCTOBER 1.
WE ARE APPROACHING -- WE HAVE OUR SECONDS BUDGET HEARING
THIS WEEK ON TUESDAY FOR THE NEXT BUDGET, OKAY.
SO THERE IS NO EXCUSE THIS SHOULD BE HELD UP.
I UNDERSTAND THERE HAS BEEN COVID.
I UNDERSTAND THE CATCHPHRASE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.
THIS IS A PARK.
THESE ARE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING SOURCED WITHIN THE UNITED
STATES.
LOCAL CONTRACTORS, I WOULD ASSUME.
YOU HAVE COME HERE MANY TIMES.
I HAVE BEEN TO YOUR HOUSE.
THE MAYOR HAS BEEN TO YOUR HOUSE.
WE HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
I TALKED TO MISS SANDY SANCHEZ AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF THIS.
AS YOU SAY YOU TURN 90 YEARS OLD.
MAY YOU LIVE TO BE 100 OR MORE.
TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.
YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.
YOU AND I AND MANY OF US FOR VETERANS DAY CELEBRATIONS,
OTHER CELEBRATIONS IN THE PARK AND WONDERFUL BECAUSE -- I
DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY.
ACROSS FROM THE JCC, ANOTHER WONDERFUL PROJECT AND THE NAME
VILA BROTHERS AND THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO THIS COMMUNITY AND
THE SACRIFICE THEY MADE.
I HAVE AN UPDATE LIST, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SHOULD STICK BY.
OCTOBER 2022, INSTALLATION OF COURT FENCING, WEST PROPERTY
LINE FENCE.
NOVEMBER, ONGOING SITE WORK.
WE ARE NOT STOPPING.
COORDINATION WITH LANDSCAPE AND ELECTRICAL IN TEASE.
JANUARY, INSTALLING OF PLAYGROUNDS AND SHELTERS TO BEGIN
WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN ORDERED FROM MY UNDERSTANDING -- I
DON'T KNOW -- FOUR MONTHS AGO MAYBE AROUND APRIL.
WHAT IS THE HOLD-UP THERE WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN IF THEY HAVE
ALREADY BEEN ORDERED.
FEBRUARY, INSTALLATION OF DOG PARK FENCING, ARTIFICIAL TURF,
PICNIC TABLES, REIS SEPTEMBER CALS AND BENCHES.
MODIFICATIONS TO ENTRY GATES.
MARCH 2023, COMPLETION AND RIBBON CUTTING.
10:57:05AM >> MARCH.
10:57:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MARCH, COMPLETELY FINISHED WITH THE
RIBBON CUTTING.
I KNOW YOUR BIRTHDAY IS AFTER THEN.
AND WE CAN CELEBRATE THEN.
WE NEED TO GET THIS PARK DONE.
I HAVE SEEN IT WITH OTHER PROJECTS AND OTHER DEADLINES BEING
MEANT.
NO EXCUSE.
MARCH 7, 2023 IS ELECTION DAY AND TAKE IT TO THE BALLOT BOX.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW -- WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH
CITY COUNCIL TO GET THE FUNDING.
WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.
TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
I WANT YOU TO BE THERE.
I WANT YOUR TWO BROTHER-IN-LAWS TO BE THERE.
THE REING VILA BROTHERS SO THEY CAN SEE IT AND WE CAN ENJOY
THIS PARK.
THANK YOU.
10:57:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:57:59AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO SAY HI TO MARTHA.
I LOVE TO YOU DEATH.
YOU ARE SUCH A SWEETHEART.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HONORS YOUR FAMILY AND SERVICE.
IN FACT 72 YEARS OLD, LIEUTENANT BALTIMERO LOPEZ GAVE ALL IN
KOREA AND GO ON AFTER HIS DEATH TO GET THE MEDAL OF HONOR.
I BELIEVE THE FIRST PERSON FROM TAMPA TO GET THAT.
IN OUR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREA, WE HAVE OVER 100,000
VETERANS HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE ARE A PATRIOTIC COUNTY AND CITY.
WE ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR FAMILY, INCLUDING YOUR WONDERFUL
HECTOR WHO RESTS AT FLORIDA NATIONAL CEMETERY AT BUSCH.
I KNOW YOU ARE PROUD OF HIM.
TO SAY WE LOVE YOU.
I LOVE YOU.
CITY OF TAMPA LOVES YOU AND WE WILL FIGHT FOR THIS TO
HAPPEN.
10:58:51AM >> I THANK YOU.
I HAVE OF THIS WHICH IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE HAVE PICTURE CAN OF
THE SEVEN BROTHERS.
IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE SOME, YOU ARE WELCOME.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF -- I AM GOING TO PUT UP THE PICTURE THAT
WAS TAKEN FOR THE SEVEN BROTHERS LOOKING TO BRING IT.
BRING IT DOWN.
MY HUSBAND FAVORED SAYING THAT IT WAS HIS DUTY TO HIS
COUNTRY TO LOVE IT.
TO SUPPORT ITS CONSTITUTION.
TO OBEY ITS LAWS AND TO RESPECT ITS FLAG.
AND TO DEFEND HER IN ALL DUTIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
THAT WAS HIS BELIEF.
OUR DUTY TO LOVE OUR COUNTRY AND RESPECT IT.
I HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL IN AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR, BUT BEFORE
THAT IN MARCH, BECAUSE I WILL BE BACK IN.
I AM NOT GIVING UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:00:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:00:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:00:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MISS VILA, SORRY YOU HAD TO DO THIS.
AND YOU DESCRIBED THE PROBLEMS.
I APOLOGIZE THAT I DIDN'T WORK HARDER TO TRY TO GET THIS
DONE.
I KNOW SEVERAL OF US ON COUNCIL HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR YEARS.
AND IT -- IT IS REALLY DESPICABLE THAT TWO ADMINISTRATIONS
HAVE USED THIS AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.
A PARK THAT HONORS SPECIFIC VETERANS BUT ALSO ALL VETERANS.
I WOULD JUST APPEAL TO THE HUMANITY OF THE ADMINISTRATION TO
THE -- TO THE -- TO THE ETHICS OF THE ADMINISTRATION TO
PLEASE GET THIS DONE.
HERE IS A WIDOW PRACTICALLY BEGGING US TO GET THIS PARK DONE
AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE UNDER THE LAST ADMINISTRATION.
OUR CHANCE TO FIX THIS.
BUT LET'S NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL ANYMORE.
SORE RADIO HE THEY USE THIS AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.
WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS DONE AND I WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE
TO SHOW THIS -- SHOW THIS CUP TO RECOGNIZE AND TALK ABOUT
THE PARK.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE.
THANK YOU.
11:01:10AM >> THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE?
11:01:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE LOVE YOU, MISS VILA.
11:01:19AM >> I LOVE YOU ALL.
GOD LOVES YOU.
AND HECTOR LOVED AND RESPECTED ALL OF YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU
[APPLAUSE]
11:01:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS ON LINE.
MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU THERE?
MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU WITH US?
ARE YOU MUTED, MISS POYNOR?
LET'S GO TO MISS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU THERE?
11:02:07AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO SAY NO TO CONTINUANCE ON PURE AND TO
SAY NO TO PURE ITSELF.
T.H.A.N. TOOK A VOTE OF ITS MEMBERSHIP, AND NOT A SINGLE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, NOT ONE, SAYS THAT THEY WANTED
THIS TO BE CONTINUED.
NOT ONE SAID THEY WANTED MORE FUNDING.
I AM THE -- I AM ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE PURE GROUP
REPRESENTING T.H.A.N.
IN FEBRUARY, THAT GROUP RELUCTANTLY AND HESITANTLY AND TOO
TRUSTINGLY SPOKE IN FAVOR OF SPENDING $1 MILLION ON CHECKING
ALTERNATIVES AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN WE WERE SANDBAGGED IN JULY WITH REQUESTS TO DOUBLE
THAT BUDGET WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR THE FIRST $1 MILLION.
AND NO ACCOUNTING FOR IT.
WE WERE TOLD THE MONEY WAS GONE.
THEN LATER WE WERE TOLD ONLY $400,000 WAS SPENT.
BUT THAT THE WORK PRODUCT OF THAT $400,000 WITH AS SO POOR
THAT WE HAD TO START OVER AGAIN.
THEY SAID THE STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE SEEN THE
WORK PRODUCT AND AGREED.
I HAVE YET TO FIND ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO SAW THAT
WORK PRODUCT.
WE HAVE ASKED TO SEE IT.
AND WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
WHEN THEY ASKED FOR MORE MONEY IN JULY, THEY SAID YOU TOLD
US YOU WANTED US TO DO AN AN A MALL IN SIS OF ALTERNATIVES
AND PUBLIC OUTREACH.
WE ARE NEEDING THE SECOND MILLION DOLLAR TO DO WHAT YOU
ASKED FOR.
IGNORING THE FACT WE ALREADY GAVE THEM A MILLION TO DO IT.
ONE METHOD THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING.
PUTTING IT IN THE RESERVOIR.
PUT IT IN THE LOWER RIVER.
PUTTING IN IN THE AQUIFER.
THEY SAY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THEY CHAIR IT TO WHAT THE CITIES OUT WEST.
THEY USE REVERSE OSMOSIS AND UV.
IT IS NOT THE SAME THING.
THEY HAVE AN ARID CLIMATE THAT IS NOT SUBTROPICAL.
THEIR NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN OURS.
I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT THE COMPANY WHO IS
GOING TO BUILD IT IS ALSO THE COMPANY THEY HIRED WHAT IS THE
BEST OPTION.
WHAT COULD GO WRONG?
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY ARE -- THEY ARE GOING TO CHOOSE THE
OPTION THAT IS ABOUTEST FOR THEM INSTEAD COUNTY OPTION THAT
IS BEST FOR US.
WE HAD AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ONLY COST $-- AN ANALYSIS
FROM FR ONTERA THAT WAS $100,000.
IT WASN'T PERFECT BUT HECK OF CHEAPER THAN MILLION.
THE PROPOSED WOULD COST $3.4 BILLION
WE HEAR OF THIS 10,000 EVEN IF.
900 YEARS TO SPEND 3.4 BILLION FOR THOSE FINES TO EQUAL 3.4
BILLION DOLLARS.
THIS IS A LEGACY PROJECT OF BOB BUCKHORN.
WE DON'T NEED IT.
WE DON'T WANT IT.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SAY NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES
NO.
THANK YOU.
11:05:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU ONLINE?
MISS POYNOR?
11:05:23AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:05:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW WE CAN.
11:05:26AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:05:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW WE CAN.
11:05:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I READ THE ENTIRE AGENDA AS I TRY TO DO EVERY WEEK, AND I
PUBLISH A CHEAT SHEET ON THE T.H.A.N. FACEBOOK PAGE.
SO CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE.
TALK OF ITEM NUMBER 70, ETHIC COMMISSION REPORT.
SECTION 2-651, INDEPENDENT DECISION MAKING GROUP.
FIVE MEMBERS ARE NOMINATED TO THIS GROUP, THE ETHICS
COMMISSION, THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION
NOMINATES TWO, STETSON UNIVERSITY NOMINATES ONE, THE DEAN
OF USF OR UT NOMINATES ANOTHER.
AND THE MAYOR GETS ONE PICK, YET NEARLY 125,000 SPENT LAST
YEAR INVESTIGATING THE ETHICS OF TWO OUR CITY COUNCILMEN
BEFORE GOING -- GOING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.
HOW DO I KNOW THIS?
WELL, MISS BRICKLEMYER, THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMISSION SAID IN
APRIL THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY ETHICS COMPLAINTS IN FOUR YEARS.
WHO ORDERED THE EXPENDITURE OF $125,000 OF OUR TAX DOLLARS
IF THE ETHICS FOLKS DID NOT?
WHY HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BODY WHEN THEY ARE BEING UTILIZED --
WHEN THEY AREN'T BEING UTILIZED AS THE INDEPENDENT BODY THAT
THEY ARE.
I WILL ASK OUR COUNCILMEMBERS TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CITY
FUNDS NOT BE SPENT ON ETHICS INVESTIGATIONS IN THE FUTURE
WITHOUT THE REQUEST OF THIS COMMISSION.
SEEMS LIKE A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO A HUGE PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN
CREATED OVER THE LAST YEAR.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE A SECOND MOTION THAT THERE IS AN
AMENDMENT TO EXCEPTION 2-651 THAT SAYS IF ONE OF THESE
ESTABLISHMENTS ARE UNABLE TO NOMINATE SOMEONE, THAT THAT
CHOICE BE MOVED TO THE CITY COUNCIL INSTEAD OF THE MAYOR.
THAT WAY IT IS TOTALLY EQUITABLE.
WE SPENT $400,000 OF OUR MONEY, TAX DOLLARS ON PURE.
WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IT, BUT WE WANT $2 MILLION MORE.
POOR STEWARDSHIP OF OUR MONEY TO SAY THE LEAST.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT $400,000 LOOKS LIKE.
I NEVER SPENT $400,000 ON ANYTHING BEFORE.
IT IS A INCH FILE OR A SIX-INCH FILE.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT I DON'T LIKE TO SEE OUR MONEY WASTED.
$400,000 IS TWO-THIRDS OF THE SIDEWALK BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR
AND LAST YEAR EACH SEPARATELY.
THE STORMWATER PLANS ON 7 AND 8.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK JEAN SFROHMEYER WORKING HER BUTT YOU
HAVE WITH THESE FOLKS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A NATURAL BOX,
NOT A SQUARE BOX TO HOLD WATER IN.
13 AND 14, I THINK WE NEED THIS PROTECTION FOR CITY COUNCIL
AND ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING
SUED FRIVOLOUSLY.
NUMBER 58, YOU KNOW IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA WHICH KIND
OF SHOCKED ME BECAUSE ANSWERED ONE OF MISS HURTAK -- OR
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S ISSUES LAST WEEK AND SUPPORT THE VILA
BROTHERS PARK JUST FORGP.
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
11:08:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MISS YOU STROHMEY ER, ARE YOU
WITH US.
11:08:40AM >> HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
11:08:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:08:43AM >> HELLO, ANY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, INTERBAY SOUTH OF
GANDY.
AND I AM ON THE ROAD SO I DON'T HAVE MY AGENDA TO SPEAK TO
AT ALL THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ON, BUT I WILL GO
AHEAD AN VOICE MY PUBLIC OPPOSITION TO PURE OR THE
CONTINUANCE OF THAT.
AND I ALSO WANT TO GIVE MY SUPPORT SO LONG AS FOR MY ELAPP,
MY BEAUTIFUL ELAPP PARK PRESERVE INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY, AS
LONG AS THAT GOES ACCORDING TO OUR -- OUR NEGOTIATIONS AND
IT GOES ACCORDING TO THE PLAN THAT WE ALL SAT DOWN WITH THE
COMMUNITY AND AGREED TO.
THEN I JUST WANT TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND THANKS TO THE -- TO THE GROUP -- WHAT WAS THE OTHER
CONSTRUCTION -- I CAN'T THINK I AM ON THE ROAD.
BUT THANKS TO JOHN ZIMINA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR PURE
AND HELPING TO SUPPORT OUR PARK AND YOU ALL THREE SUPPORT
THAT.
AND THE LOWER URBAN PENINSULA.
AND US HAVING A REALLY NICE PARK FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IF IT WAS MY WAY I WOULD HAVE KEPT IT THE WOODS AND ROUGH,
BUT IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT ME.
ANYWAY Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY AND I WILL SEE YOU LATER.
11:10:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE?
THANK YOU.
WE WILL GO TO AGENDA ITEM -- ITEM -- EXCUSE ME AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 5.
I AM SORRY, DO 4.
MISS FEELEY.
11:10:30AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
JC HUTCHENS, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHO IS REMOTE IN FROM
KENTUCKY.
HE IS COMING BACK FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL
CONFERENCE THIS MORNING.
BUT HERE TODAY JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON SOME
ADDITIONAL CHANGES WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AT THE CONSTRUCTION
SERVICES DIVISION.
I HEARD FROM MANY OF YOU OVER THE PAST MONTH IN RELATION
WITH PERMITTING, TAKING ADDITIONAL TIME, NUMBERS OF COMMENTS
COMING IN.
AND STARTING OCTOBER 1, WE ARE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING WHAT
WE ARE REFERRING TO AS A SUFFICIENCY CHECKLIST.
AND THAT WILL REALLY START TO CHANGE THE INTAKE THAT COME
INTO THE DEPARTMENT.
ONE OF THE EXAMPLES I GAVE YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT A
PERMIT MAY COME IN.
IT MAY BE MISSING ITS ENERGY CALCULATIONS.
IT MAY BE MISSING ITS FLORIDA PRODUCT APPROVAL.
IT MAY BE MISSING OUR MECHANICAL PLAN.
AND WE HAVE BEEN TAKING THOSE PERMITS IN.
AND THEN ASKING THOSE ITEMS AS PART OF THE FIRST REVIEW.
WE ARE GOING TO NOW REQUIRE THOSE ITEMS BEFORE THEY ARE
ACCEPTED IN AS A PERMIT IN ORDER TO STOP THAT CYCLE OF
ASKING FOR THOSE ITEMS AND MAKING SURE THE PERMITS ARE MORE
SUFFICIENT FOR BOTH THE CLIENTS AND FOR OUR TEAM IN ORDER TO
MORE EFFECTIVELY DO THOSE REVIEWS.
THE OTHER THING IS, IN TERMS OF THESE REVIEWS, A PERMIT
REVIEW, WHEN YOU GET TO THE THIRD REVIEW, AN ADDITIONAL FEE
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE BELIEVE THAT EMPLOYING THIS AND BRINGING IN A BETTER
EXAMPLE AT THE ONSET WE WILL BE REDUCING THOSE NUMBERS OF
THIRD REVIEWS AND ABLE TO SAVE OUR CUSTOMERS MONEY AND TIME.
THIS WILL BE A WIN-WIN.
WE WILL START MESSAGE THIS THROUGH OUR ACELA PROGRAM AND OUR
CLIENTS TO LET'S THEM KNOW WHAT FORTHCOMING AND WE WANTED TO
LET YOU KNOW WHAT WAS COMING BEFORE THAT OCTOBER 1
IMPLEMENTATION TIME.
I'M HERE TODAY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HEY, JC.
AND JC ALSO, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK.
BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO IMPROVE THIS PROCESS.
I KNOW YOU SUPPORTED US WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY
COMPLIANCE TEAM.
THAT TEAM LAST YEAR WAS ONLY -- WE HAD ABOUT 100 STOP WORK
ORDERS LAST YEAR SINCE WE PUT THE CACT IN.
WE HAVE BEEN DOING 100 STOP WORK ORDER AS MONTH WHICH IS
ALLOWING US TO CAPTURE PERMITS THAT WERE NOT BEING APPLIED
FOR WITHIN THE CITY.
SO JC IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
GREAT TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION AND ALWAYS AVAILABLE SHOULD
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:13:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:13:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS.
YOUR TEAM IS WORKING VERY HARD.
THE FACT THAT FOLKS WILL HAVE A CHECKLIST BEFORE THEY EVEN
GET STARTED IS WONDERFUL.
I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT THESE
TYPES OF PROGRAMS.
AND I THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
I KNOW YOU WANTED TO GET IN FRONT OF US NOW TO GET THE
PUBLIC TO LEARN ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
AND I HOPE THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEND OUT THINGS WITH
COMMUNICATION TO THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM BECAUSE THIS IS
REALLY CRITICAL.
AND IT REALLY HELPS THE PUBLIC, BUT WHAT IT REALLY DOES IS
HELP STAFF TIME SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW IT A THIRD
TIME.
TRULY APPRECIATE IT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO AN UPDATE IN SIX
MONTHS THAT TELL US HOW IT IS GOING.
11:14:03AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABSOLUTELY.
11:14:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:14:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE YOU WERE TRYING TO HELP
FACILITATE.
BUT THE PEOPLE DIDN'T DO THEIR PART.
NOT ALL OF THEM BUT MOST OF THEM.
HAD THE BACKLOG AND CHANGES TO GET THE ITEMS OFF THE AGENDA.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:14:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LONG TIME COMING.
WE TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME AND GLAD WE ARE GOING TO
IMPLEMENT SOMETHING.
TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THESE FOLKS.
A BUMP IN THE ROAD.
PEOPLE SAY WELL, THAT IS THE WAY YOU ALWAYS HAVE DONE IT.
SOMETIMES CHANGE IS GOOD AND A ROBUST CONVERSATION.
AND STOP OUR DOCKET FROM BEING HERE LATE AT NIGHT 15 TO 16
CASE.
APPLAUD YOU FOR GET THIS GOING.
THANK YOU, JC.
11:14:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU WORKED HARD ON THIS.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MINE AND THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS
CONCERNS.
HOPE THIS WORKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU, MISS FEELEY.
11:15:01AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU.
11:15:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW LET'S --
11:15:06AM >> MR. CHAIR.
11:15:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:15:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF OF STAFF IF
HE IS STILL HERE.
11:15:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HE HAS LEFT.
11:15:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GUILT AND STATE THIS AND MAYBE HE CAN COME
UP.
I WANT TO LET MY COLLEAGUES AND THE PUBLIC KNOW FOR SEVERAL
WEEKS NOW, I HAVE BEEN ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO CALL A
HALT TO THE ATTACKS AGAINST CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
AND WE -- WE GATHERED DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE NOW THAT THE
MAYOR'S STAFF HAD BEEN CLUING DOING OPPOSITION RESEARCH
AGAINST COUNCILMEMBERS.
COORDINATING WITH OPPONENTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS.
SETTING COUNCILMEMBERS UP AGAINST EACH OTHER.
CELEBRATING ATTACKS AGAINST CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, ETC.
AND YOU ALL MAY HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ABOUT THAT IN PART.
LAST WEEK THERE WAS ANOTHER ATTACK AGAINST FORMER
COUNCILMEMBER JOHN DINGFELDER THAT RESULTED IN AT LEAST ONE
STORY.
WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION
THAT WAS DONE.
AND THIS ONE COST $23,000.
I DON'T KNOW IF MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE IS THERE BUT HAS THREE
PAGES I WOULD LIKE TO PASS OUT IF SHE IS AVAILABLE.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE CONTRACT -- OR THE -- THE -- THE LETTER
TO PROCEED WITH THE -- WITH THE -- FOR THE INVESTIGATION OF
FORMER COUNCILMEMBER.
AND THE SECOND TWO ARE COPIES OF THE -- YOU -- AND
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE CHARTER WHICH I -- WHICH I REVIEWED WHEN
CITY ATTORNEY ZELMAN WAS CONFIRMED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
THERE WAS NO -- FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR ATTACKS
AGAINST CITY COUNCIL TO END.
AND I WOULD LIKE THE LEAKS TO STOP.
AND THE BEHIND-THE-SCENES ATTACKS TO STOP.
SECOND, MISS ZELMAN, WHO IS NOW OBJECTLINE I CAN SEE
CONFIRMED IN HER CONFIRMATION THAT CITY COUNCIL BY CHARTER
IS ONE OF HER CLIENTS.
THE PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY PROVED THIS REVIEW THAT YOU ARE
SEEING.
SO IT WAS UNDER -- UNDER A DIFFERENT HEAD, NOT MISS ZELMAN.
BUT IT COULD BE THAT THE LAST CITY ATTORNEY DIDN'T THINK
THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS A CLIENT.
ATTACKING A FORMER CITY COUNCILMEMBER HURTS THE CITY COUNCIL
ITSELF.
BY FLORIDA BAR RULES, THERE SHOULD BE NO INVESTIGATION OF A
CITY COUNCILMEMBER WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF HEADS-UP
ABOUT THAT.
I AT LEAST WAS NOT GIVEN AN HEADS-UP ABOUT THIS
INVESTIGATION.
I WAS NOT GIVEN A HEADS-UP OF THE PRIOR INVESTIGATIONS
BEFORE THEY WERE DONE.
I WAS NOT GIVEN A HEADS-UP TO THE $140,000 TO INVESTIGATE
AND ATTACK COUNCILMEMBER GUDES.
THERE COULD BE INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON OF ANY OF US THAT WE
WOULDN'T BE AWARE OF RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CHART THEIR SAYS THEY HAVE A RIGHT
TO KEEP THIS INFORMATION FROM US.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, NOTHING IN THE CHARTER THAT GIVES THE
CITY ATTORNEY THE SOLE RIGHT TO APPROVE DOING INVESTIGATIONS
LIKE THIS.
THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE MAYOR DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO
APPROVE CONTRACTS WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPROVE THE EXPENDITURES
WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
AND NOW WE HAVE $200,000 OR MORE OF OUTSIDE RESOURCES NOT TO
MENTION THE INTERNAL RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE AND ATTACK
CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
I WOULD JUST CALL ON THE ADMINISTRATION TO STOP THESE
ATTACKS AND FOR THE MAYOR TO APOLOGIZE.
ANY REASONABLE ADMINISTRATION THAT THE MAYOR WAS NOT
PERSONALLY INVOLVED AND DIRECTED THIS.
ANY REASONABLE ADMINISTRATION STEP UP AND BE HORRIFIED BY
THIS, STOP THIS.
LET SOME PEOPLE GO.
CHANGE THE PROCESS SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AND WORK TO
REBUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH CITY COUNCIL SI WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE A MOTION WE BRING ON THE AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 6 FOR THE
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE FOR THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO EXPLAIN WHY
THESE INVESTIGATIONS GO ON WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
WHY CONTRACTS ARE BEING PASSED WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL.
AND WHY EXPENDITURES ARE BEING MADE WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL WHEN THE CHARTER DOES NOT ALLOW THAT.
FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO EXPLAIN THE
MAYOR'S POSITION WHETHER THE MAYOR IS WILLING TO CALL A HALT
TO THESE ATTACKS OR NOT.
I AM NOT ASKING FOR A LEGAL OPINION NOW, BUT I WANTED TO PUT
THAT ON THE AGENDA AND THAT IS MY MOTION FOR OCTOBER 6.
11:19:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
11:19:34AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
MR. CHAIR IF I MAY.
11:19:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:19:41AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I AM GETTING OVER COVID.
I AM AT THE STAGE WHERE I HAVE TO WEAR A MASK.
RATHER THAN TRYING TO SPEAK TO YOU THROUGH THE MASK IN THE
CHAMBERS, I THOUGHT I WOULD STAY IN MY OFFICE AND APPEAR
VIRTUALLY.
COUNCILMAN, I WILL ASK YOU -- YOU KEEP TALKING OF ATTACKS ON
COUNCILMEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LISTENED TO YOU OVER AND OVER
AGAIN ATTACK GINA GRIMES, ATTACK THE ADMINISTRATION, AND I
-- AGAIN, WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT A RESET, I MET FOR ALL OF
THAT TO STOP.
WE DON'T GAIN ANYTHING TALKING TO EACH OTHER THAT WAY.
I TRIED TALK WITH YOU IN MORE DETAIL IN PERSON, BUT WE
WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT -- OR BY PHONE, I SHOULD SAY.
LET ME BRIEFLY EXPLAIN TO THOSE LISTENING.
11:20:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR --
11:20:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET MISS ZELMAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
11:20:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T APPRECIATES THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I
ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THIS TO STOP.
ONCE THE MAYOR APOLOGIZES, I WILL STOP BRINGING UP THESE
HIGHLIGHTS.
AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE LIKE THEY DID LAST WEEK, HIGHLIGHT
IT FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THE PUB IS FED UP WITH IT, WE NEED
IT TO STOP.
11:20:50AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
11:20:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS ZELMAN, CAN YOU FINISH.
11:20:56AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST MR. DINGFELDER WERE
NEVER INTENDED TO BE AN ATTACK ON HIM.
WHEN GINA WAS STILL IN OFFICE AND THE LITIGATION WAS
ONGOING, SHE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY
REPRESENTING MR. MICHELINI THAT OUTLINED SEVERAL ALLEGED
VIOLATIONS.
STATE LAW AND THE CITY ETHICS CODE THAT HE UNCOVERED ON
ALLEGED HE UNCOVERED IN THE TEXT MESSAGES AND E-MAILS
PROVIDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
WHEN OUR OFFICE REVIEWED MR. DINGFELDERER'S TEXTS AND
E-MAILS, WE DISCOVERED WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE VIOLATIONS OF
THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE.
AROUND THAT SAME TIME, MR. DINGFELDER RESIGNED.
OUR OFFICE WAS FACED A QUESTION WHETHER WE HAD AN OBLIGATION
TO REPORT THOSE ALLEGATIONS TO THE STATE OR TO ANYBODY.
IT WAS A MURKY QUESTION.
WE WERE UNCLEAR OF.
UNCLEAR ABOUT.
MISS GRIMES CONTACTED THE FLORIDA BAR.
THEIR ADVICE WAS TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL DO AN
INVESTIGATION.
WE ALSO SPOKE WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND OTHERS IN LOCAL
GOVERNMENT.
THEY SAID THE SAME THING, THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE OUR OFFICE
ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND ASK AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO DO THIS.
MISS GRIMES INFORMED JOHN SHE WAS GOING TO DO THAT AT THE
TIME.
SO THAT WAS THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS CONDUCTED.
IF YOU -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, AND I AM -- IT IS IN
TWO PARTS.
AND THERE IS ONE LETTER WHERE BASICALLY THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL
THAT WE RETAINED ANSWERED THE QUESTION WE ASKED HIM, WHICH
WAS, GIVEN THAT MR. DINGFELDER HAS RESIGNED, DOES OUR OFFICE
HAVE ANY ONGOING OBLIGATION TO REPORT THESE ALLEGED
ALLEGATIONS TO SOME OTHER AUTHORITY.
BECAUSE THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, FORMER JUDGE HOLDER CONCLUDED
WE DID NOT, THAT ENDED THAT INVESTIGATION.
THE SECOND PART OF THE REPORT AROSE BECAUSE AFTER HIS
RESIGNATION, COUNCILMAN -- FORMER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
CONTACTED SOME CITY EMPLOYEES ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT
WITH WHICH HE ORIGINALLY SAID HE HAD A CLIENT.
THEN HE SAID IT WAS A FRIEND.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, HE WAS ASKING TO MEET WITH CITY EMPLOYEES.
OUR OFFICE REGULARLY -- ARE EGGLY COUNSELS PEOPLE WHO HAVE
LEFT THE CITY ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO ONCE THEY
LEAVE OFFICE.
WE TOLD COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WHAT THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE
SAID ABOUT THAT.
HE CONTINUED TO DISAGREE WITH US AND WE SAID WE ALREADY
RETAINED OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
WE WILL HAVE THEM PREPARE A LEGAL OPINION OUTLINING WHAT THE
CITY'S ETHIC CODE SAYS ABOUT POST EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY.
THAT IS THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF THE INVESTIGATION OF THE
REPORT PREPARED BY JUDGE HOLDER.
I THINK IT IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I AM GLAD TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT THERE WAS
NO INTENT TO FURTHER EMBARRASS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
TO DO ANYTHING NEGATIVE TOWARD HIM.
WE FELT -- OUR OFFICE FELT WE WERE OBLIGATED BY THE FLORIDA
BAR RULES TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE HAD SOME OBLIGATION TO DO
ANYTHING FURTHER --
11:24:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MISS ZELMAN, YOU SAID AT THE TIME LAST WEEK
THAT DINGFELDER --
11:24:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
LET ME GO TO OUR ATTORNEY, MR. SHELBY.
11:24:49AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING.
11:24:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS ZELMAN, ONE SECOND PLEASE.
MR. SHELBY.
11:24:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I HAVE BEEN VERY QUIET DURING THIS MEETING.
AND I HAVE BEEN -- MY FIRST MEETING BACK SINCE MY LEAVE.
IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL WEEKS AND CERTAINLY SEVERAL MEETINGS.
BUT I -- I HAVE TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT I HAVE BEEN VERY
RESPECTFUL OF YOUR ROLE AND COUNCIL'S ROLE WITH REGARD TO
HOW THIS MEETING IS TO BE CONDUCTED.
I HAVE NOT INTERRUPT WITH REGARD TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE
WHICH GOVERN THE COUNCIL'S RULES AND THAT IS DONE FOR
CONSISTENCY AND FOR FAIRNESS AND TRANSPARENCY TO EVERYBODY.
AND I HAVE TO SHARE, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY CONCERN TO DETERMINE
WHAT MY ROLE IS SUBSEQUENT TO MINE COMING BACK VERSUS
PREVIOUS TO MY COMING BACK.
BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED THAT NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN
OFF-AGENDA ITEM.
WE HAVE BEEN TAKING OFF-AGENDA ITEMS THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE BEEN DOING MOTIONS ON OFF-AGENDA ITEMS THIS MORNING.
NORMALLY THAT IS DONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
THERE IS AN ORDERLY WAY TO CONDUCT YOUR MEETINGS AND TO DO
THEM FAST AND EFFICIENTLY AND GETTING TO THE PUBLIC'S.
WE ARE APPROACHING 11:30, AND 9:30 HEARINGS.
WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY OFFICIAL BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA,
OFFICIAL ACTION, AND NOW 9:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE BEEN SET.
WE CAN CHANGE THESE RULES OF PROCEDURES.
THESE ARE YOUR RULES.
THIS IS YOUR MEETING.
AND CERTAINLY MY JOB IS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CITY
COUNCIL.
I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE --
11:26:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. SHELBY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON
THE FLOOR.
11:26:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I HAVE TO SPEAK INDIVIDUALLY TO
COUNCILMEMBERS AND HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING. I NEED DIRECTION
OF WHAT MY ROLE IS SO I CAN SUPPORT YOU AND CONDUCT YOUR
MEETING EFFICIENTLY.
RULES AND PROCEDURES NEED TO BE UPDATED BUT FRANKLY I WANT
TO BE CLEAR IN ORDER TO TO GET TO THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TWO MEETINGS SET IN THE SAME DAY AS
YOU HAD, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN.
I AM NOT TAKING ANY POSITION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE CAN GET TO THAT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, BUT -- FURTHER
DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHAT MY ROLE IS
BECAUSE I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF COUNCIL AND YOU HAVE YOUR
RULES OF PROCEDURES AND MY ROLE HAS BEEN TO BRING THEM TO
YOUR ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY AND
TRANSPARENTLY ADHERED TO.
11:27:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
AND THEN WE WILL GO TO MISS ZELMAN TO FINISH THAT.
11:27:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND SECONDED
AND I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK OCTOBER 6.
MY INTENT WAS NOT TO HAVE A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS
TODAY.
11:27:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS ZELMAN, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING.
11:27:47AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THAT IS IT FINE.
WE CAN WAIT.
11:27:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD -- WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:28:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE AS
I SAID SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, WHEN I CALLED FOR A CEASE-FIRE, I
AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS DRAMA, THIS FIGHTING.
NETFLIX HAVEN'T CALLED TO OFFER US A MINISERIES AT THIS
POINT WITH ALL THIS DRAMA.
THAT IS IS CLEARLY A JOKE.
BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.
WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST ALLEGEDLY, YES, NO.
THE MAYOR, HERE, THERE, WHATEVER.
WE CAN'T GO BACK IN TIME.
WE HAVE TO PUT IT TO BED.
I LIKE TO BE FRIEND WITH EVERYBODY.
I THINK I AM FRIENDS WITH MOST PEOPLE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT I HAVE AN ENEMY.
AND PEOPLE HAVE DONE GOOD AND BAD THINGS TO ME.
I TRY TO GET ALONG WITH FOLKS TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.
I AM TIRED OF THIS DRAMA.
I WANT TO GET THINGS DONE.
I WANT TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE VILA BROTHERS PARK.
SO MANY PRESSING ISSUES.
WE HAVE PURE.
SO MANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA.
I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME CONTINUING TO FIGHT WHETHER I
GO TO THE MAYOR MYSELF.
I SIT DOWN WITH OTHER COLONELMEMBERS.
TRY TO MEDIA IT.
NOT MY JOB TO DO SO.
BUT WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS.
WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS A UNIFIED BODY AND JUST
GET THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE DONE, THANK YOU.
11:29:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:29:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU KNOW COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD, HAVE A
RIGHT TO MAKE MOTIONS, HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS.
AND MY -- MY ISSUE WITH THIS MOTION IS IT IS LOADED WITH A
NUMBER OF ACCUSATIONS THAT I HAVE -- THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN --
THE BACKGROUND ON.
I DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING LOAD WITH THAT.
WHAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST TO MY COLLEAGUE WHENEVER
THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE COMES, THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE
QUESTIONINGS.
THEY HAVE RECEIVED YOUR STATEMENT.
THEY SHOULD BE READY TO ANSWER IT SO IT CAN BE DONE.
BUT TO FROM A FORMAL MOTION BY VIRTUE OF SUPPORTS IT COUNCIL
ADOPT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE TROUBLESOME.
I DO ALSO AGREE RESPECTFULLY WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
I UNDERSTAND THERE IS PAST GRIEVANCES.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONCERNS.
I WANT TO RESPECT THE VOICES OF ALL -- OF ALL OF US IN THAT
REGARD, BUT I CONTINUE TO STRESS THE TERM "DEESCALATION."
I HAVE DONE THAT MYSELF.
WHENEVER THERE ARE DISAGREEMENTS IN COUNCIL, I TOO I TO STAY
IN MY OWN LANE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT AND TRY TO BE, AS I
ALWAYS TRY TO BE, A CIVIL, AS AMICABLE, ETC., ETC.
WITH REGARD TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S CONCERNS.
I RESPECTFULLY SAY BY VOTING ON THIS.
A NUMBER OF ALLEGATIONS WE WOULD BE ADOPTING BUT THIS CAN BE
ADDRESSED.
YOU CAN HAVE THE ISSUES ADDRESSED AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
.AGAIN, MEETING THE CONCERNS OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON IN AN
EFFORT BE COLLEGIAL, BUT I THINK THIS MOTION IS VERY, VERY
LOADED IN MY OPINION.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:31:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:31:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SEE BOTH SIDES.
I DO AGREE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT IF THERE ARE CHANGES
WE NEED TO MAKE TO CLARIFY THINGS WHICH I THINK IS AT THE
HEART OF WHAT HE IS ASKING FOR BECAUSE IS FROM THE CHARTER.
I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS DURING THE CHARTER
WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 22.
I THINK IT IS ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO BRING.
I HAVE HEARD THE QUESTIONS.
AND THERE IS NOT CLARITY IN THE SECTION.
I AGREE WITH THAT.
LET'S BRING IT UP IN THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION JUST BECAUSE I AGREE THAT THERE
ARE SOME ITEMS THAT NEED CLARITY.
AND I AM GOING TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT POINT.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE WILL EVER MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE
CLARITY.
11:32:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
11:32:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:32:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. MANISCALCO JUST ABOUT TOOK ALL THE
WORDS THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
WE ARE A BAD BASEBALL TEAM BECAUSE WE CAN'T WIN BECAUSE WE
WANT TO ARGUE WHO IS GOING TO BAT FIRST AND SECOND.
NOT A BASEBALL GAME.
NOT A FOOTBALL GAME.
PRESIDENT LIVES OF 400,000 PEOPLE.
WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO BRING IT UP AND THREATEN AND SAY I AM
GOING TO CALL THE AUTHORITIES.
AUTHORITIES HAVEN'T SHOWED UP.
IT MEANS YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YOURSELF.
THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOW THE TRUTH ARE THE TWO INDIVIDUALS
THAT ARE MENTIONED, NOT I OR ANYONE ELSE, NOT ANYONE HERE IN
THIS ROOM OR THE WHOLE CITY, THE TWO INDIVIDUALS.
THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOW THE STORY.
BECAUSE IF I WAS GUILTY, I WOULD RESIGN
IF I WASN'T GUILTY, I WOULD MORTGAGE MY HOUSE TO PROVE THAT
I WAS NOT GUILTY.
THAT IS HOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
SO ONCE YOU RESIGN, I DON'T KNOW HOW OR WHY OR WHATEVER.
I AM NOT HERE TO CAST STONES ON ANYONE.
BUT I AM NOT GOING TO LET THE CITY GET RUN DOWN WEEK AFTER
WEEK AFTER WEEK ON INNUENDOS.
AND I WANT TO HAVE THIS.
AND I WANT TO DO THAT.
THIS GUY DID THAT AND I DON'T CARE A GUY THAT WALL STREET
THE DAMN THING ABOUT ME ON THE INTERNET.
I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE INTERNET.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS, LET'S STOP PLAYING POLITICS.
THEY TALK ABOUT POLITICS.
STOP IT ON BOTH SIDES.
THIS IS A CITY THAT HAS GOT TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO BECAUSE WE ARE A CITY ON MOVE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE LEAVING.
IT MEANS WE ARE GROWING.
AND NO CITY IN TODAY'S PRIZE THAT YOU HAVE IN AMERICA THAT
SATISFIED WHERE THEY ARE AT IS A CITY THAT IS LOSING
POPULATION AND IS DYING AND A LOT OF THEM, INCLUDING SAN
FRANCISCO.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, LET'S GET THE MARBLES TOGETHER.
THERE IS AN AGENDA HERE.
YOU WANT TO ARGUE WITH SOMEBODY, GO FILE A LAWSUIT IF YOU
THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ME, IF I AM ACCUSED OF A CRIME -- AN
ITEM ON THE AGENDA OF SOMETHING PAYING INSURANCE FOR ME.
NOBODY WILL PAY INSURANCE FOR ME BECAUSE I AM GOING TO VOTE
AGAINST IT.
BECAUSE IF I DID A CRIME, I SHOULD DO THE TIME.
THAT IS ALL I AM GOING TO TELL YOU.
I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT ME.
11:34:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
QUICKLY, PLEASE.
11:34:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
THIS IS FOR MISS ZELMAN.
MISS ZELMAN, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE.
A MOTION AND THE FLOOR.
CAN YOU RESTATE THAT MOTION PLEASE.
11:34:40AM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, REPEAT IT.
11:34:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I CHANGE THE MOTION.
11:34:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WELL, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE BACK THE
MOTION YOU MADE AND THEN RESTATE YOUR NEW MOTION.
11:34:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THE PRIOR
MOTION --
11:35:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME, DOES THE SECOND AGREE WITH THAT.
11:35:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SURE.
11:35:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
RESTATE YOUR MOTION.
11:35:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAKE A NEW MOTION TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR
THE WORKSHOP DATE WHERE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING CHARTER
AMENDMENTS TO DISCUSS WHY OR IF THE CITY ATTORNEY OR OTHER
PARTIES IN THE CITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE CONTRACTS AND
PAY PAYMENTS TO OUTSIDE PARTIES WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL.
11:35:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL SECOND IT.
I WILL SECOND IT FOR THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
I WILL SECOND IT.
11:35:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU FINISHED, COUNCIL?
11:35:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
ONE THING THAT MR. CARLSON SAID THAT IS IN PREPARATION TO
THIS AND RELEVANT AND GOES TO WHAT MISS HURTAK SAYS.
MISS ZELMAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE POLICY OF PREVIOUS -- OF
PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEYS, SAL TERRITO AND THE MEMO HE PUT
OUT.
THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.
WOULD YOU AGREE.
11:36:11AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I BELIEVE YOU ARE TALKING OF THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S ABILITY TO SETTLE LAWSUITS.
I BELIEVE THAT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION IN NOVEMBER.
I DON'T NECESSARILY OBJECT OF DISCUSSING IT AT THE TIME OF
THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
WE CAN HOPEFULLY CLEAR UP A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDS ABOUT
THESE TOPICS.
11:36:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR TO YOU FORWARD
THAT TO CITY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE.
A BECAUSE I KNOW YOU FORWARDED IT TO ME RECENTLY.
YOU DIT TO ME YESTERDAY.
IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO?
11:36:48AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THE LEGAL OPINION 2015.
11:36:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK 2018 AFTER THE SHORTER REVIEW.
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
11:36:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:37:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:37:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SECONDED IT.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR.
WHEN SHE WAS APPOINTED.
I MADE MY STATEMENTS AND I SAID WHAT I HAD TO SAY.
I AM DONE WITH IT.
I HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL.
I HAVE A LEGAL TEAM.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
PERIOD.
SO I AM DONE WITH IT.
WE WILL DEAL WITH THOSE SITUATIONS PERSONALLY OUTSIDE WITH
MY LEGAL TEAM.
WHEN THE TIME COMES WITH THE CITY AND ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS.
MAKE THAT CLEAR.
I AM DONE WITH IT HERE.
I'M HERE FOR THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.
PEOPLE CHOSE ME TO DO MY JOB.
NO MATTER IF PEOPLE ATTACK ME, I WILL DO MY JOB.
ALL THE OTHER STUFF I WILL DEAL WITH IT WITH MY LEGAL TEAM.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:37:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE.
ACCUSATIONS MADE.
WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A PULITZER-PRIZED WINNING
NEWSPAPER PRESENT.
WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM AN EMMY AWARD-WINNING NEWS
CHANNEL HERE IN TAMPA WE HAVE MULTIDIFFERENT MEDIA.
NO ONE HAS RUN WITH IT.
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:38:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:38:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:38:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
11:38:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:38:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:38:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:38:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
11:38:33AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO, MIRANDA AND CITRO
VOTING NO.
11:38:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, WASN'T THIS MERELY TO ADD AN ISSUE
FOR DISCUSSION.
JUST MAKING SURE.
YEAH.
I AM FINE WITH DISCUSSING.
11:38:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:38:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.
11:38:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING OUR
RULES AND PROCEDURES.
11:38:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME THEN TO --
11:39:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SET UP A TIME TO REVIEW OUR RULES AND
PROCEDURES.
11:39:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
11:39:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
NOW CAN WE GET ON TO -- WE WILL BE BREAKING BECAUSE WE HAVE
A 1:30.
WE ARE GOING TO BE BREAKING AT NOON.
ALL THESE PEOPLE OUT IN FRONT OF US WHO ARE WAITING TO GET
THE CITY BUSINESS DONE.
LET'S GET TO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:39:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, JEAN DUNCAN, DIRECTOR OF
INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR THE CONTINUOUS ASK FOR THE ITEM
RELATED TO THE PURE PROJECT.
CLEARLY, YOU HAVE HEARD MANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS MORNING
ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
AND WE CERTAINLY HAD EVERY INTENTION OF GETTING A REALLY
ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN IN PLACE TO GET AHEAD OF THE
PUBLIC'S CONCERNS.
AND WE REGRET THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE.
BUT TODAY WE ARE BASICALLY ASKING THAT THIS MULTIFACETED,
COMPLEX SITUATION WE HAVE OF NEED IS GIVEN A LITTLE MORE
TIME.
LET ME JUST PUT A QUICK VIEW OF THE PROBLEM ON THE ELMO.
WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE
PROBLEMS WE HAVE TO SOLVE.
IF I CAN GET THE ELMO PLEASE.
11:40:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE ELMO.
THE OVERHEAD.
11:40:32AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE LOVE TECHNOLOGY.
11:40:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, WE DO.
11:40:39AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I WILL JUST START WITHOUT IT.
THE MAIN PROBLEMS WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE ARE MAINTAINING
HEALTHY RIVER FLOWS.
WE NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER TO FLOW INTO THE LOWER
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER BELOW THE DAM TO KEEP OUR FISH ALIVE, OUR
SEAGRASSES GROWING, OUR MANATEE COUNTY VISITING.
WE HAVE TO DROUGHT-PROOF OUR WATER SUPPLIES.
LIMITATIONS WHAT WE CAN BUY FROM OTHERS SUCH AS TAMPA BAY
WATER.
WE HAVE TO SELF-SUPPLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
WE HADN'T HAD A DROUGHT IN A LONG TIME.
WE DON'T THINK WE ARE LIKE CALIFORNIA.
WE DON'T THINK WE ARE LIKE COLORADO RIVER.
BUT THERE IS CLIMATE CHANGE AND NO ONE KNOWS IF THAT WILL BE
AN EXTREME OF DROUGHT, AN EXTREME OF FLOODING OR BACK AND
FORTH.
WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED AND LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.
OUR THIRD PROBLEM WE NEED TO SOLVE IS THE STATE LAW.
MAYBE THE STATE LAW WILL GO AWAY AND WON'T NEED TO BE MET,
BUT CURRENTLY THAT IS THE LAW AND OUR PROTOCOL IS TO FOLLOW
LAWS AND REGULATIONS AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO DO.
THOSE PROBLEMS ARE VERY MULTIFACETED.
VERY COMPLEX AND TAKE MANY YEARS TO SOLVE OF.
WE WILL NOT BE SOLVING THIS IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
IT WILL TAKE US SEVERAL YEARS.
NOT A TAMPA HE SHALL AUTO YOU BUT A BUILTI AGENCY AND
REGIONAL ISSUE.
WE NEED TO WORK WITH S.W.F.W.M.D., THE DEPARTMENT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, EPA AND TAMPA BAY WATER.
WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.
WE NEED TO WORK WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE ONE WATER APPROACH NOW.
ONE WATER IS WE HAVE ONE WATER SOURCE
WE HAVE ONE WATER CYCLE.
A CLOSED WATER CYCLE.
AS WE ALL KNOW FROM THIRD-GRADE SCIENCE, THE WATER GETS
EVAPORATED INTO THE CROWDS.
CLOUDS.
CLOUDS RAIN BACK DOWN INTO THE BAYS, OCEANS, AND BACK INTO
THE SKY.
ONLY ONE SOURCE OF WATER.
AND IT IS NOT FOREVER.
SO WE FEEL AS THE CITY OF TAMPA OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK
FOR THE FUTURE, TO PLAN AHEAD TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION
POSSIBLE FOR OUR CITIZENS.
THE TAMPA WATER DEPARTMENT HAD A HISTORY OF 100 YEARS OF
PROVIDING SAFE, RELIABLE WATER.
THAT IS WHAT WE PLAN TO CONTINUE TO DO.
THERE IS NO INTEREST ON OUR PART WHO IS OVER TO DO ANYTHING
THAT IS UNSAFE.
WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS WE HEARD THIS MORNING.
SAFETY IS THE UPMOST TOP PRIORITY FOR US.
OF COURSE WITH RELIABILITY AS WELL.
THE EPA DOES HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY PUT OUT, THAT THEY
SUGGEST WE MEET.
WE ALSO HAVE CHEMICAL COMPANIES THAT NEED TO DO THEIR PART
AND NOT BE DISPOSING OF THESE CHEMICALS INTO THE WATER TO
PUT THEM ON THE MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE THEM CLEAN UP.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THOSE AGENCIES.
WE KNOW EPA IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING REGULATIONS NOW
AND WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW ANY REGULATIONS THAT COME ALONG
TO MEET OR EXCEED THIS.
ANY ALTERNATIVE THAT WE CHOOSE WILL HAVE ANY KIND OF
TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE.
ION EXCHANGE, CARBON FILTERS REVERSE OSMOSIS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS TO GIVE THE BEST ALTERNATIVE
IF POSSIBLE.
WE APOLOGIZE THAT THE CONVERSATION AND HUMAN REACTION THAT I
DON'T WANT THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
WE REGRET THAT HAS GOTTEN AHEAD OF THE PROCESS WE ARE TRYING
TO FOLLOW.
WE SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FROM THE VERY FIRST COUNCIL
MEETING OF A REACTION OF US JUMP TOO QUICKLY, TOO FAST.
WE SAID WE WOULD TAKE SLOW INCREMENTAL STEPS.
THOUGHTFUL STEPS.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
IF PEOPLE ARE TRUST RAIDED THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYTHING IS
HAPPENING, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL.
TRYING TO WEIGH IN OPINIONS AS WE HEAR THEM.
WE WANT TO WEAVE IN THE COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
SO, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE TO GET A BIT ON A SOAPBOX, BUT TO
GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS
CONTINUANCE.
WE WILL LAND WITH THAT AND A CONTINUANCE OF AN ITEM TO ADD
ADDITIONAL EXPANDED ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS TO WHAT WE ALREADY
STARTED TO LOOK AT SOLVING THESE THREE PROBLEMS.
EXPANDED AND ENHANCED ROBUST ENGAGEMENT.
YOU HEARD OF THE COMMENT OF THE MacDILL 48 PARK AS PART OF
THE LOWER PENINSULA.
WE DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
WE DID GREAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON OTHER PROJECTS.
WE CAN DO THAT WITH THIS PROJECT IF WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GET
A PROPER CONTRACT IN PLACE TO DO THAT WORK.
SO, AGAIN, WE ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THE ITEM THAT
WAS CONTINUED BACK IN JULY.
THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM BACK IN JULY SO HERE
WE ARE TODAY.
IN THE MEANWHILE FROM JULY, WE REALIZE IN TALKING WITH
THE DEP, WITH S.W.F.W.M.D. AND WITH TAMPA BAY WATER WHO IS
SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT THAT WE NEED MORE TIME
TO GET THEIR I CAN PUTS BACK.
IF WE DO COME BACK WITH THE AMOUNT, THEY HAVE ALL THE
TECHNICAL INFORMATION BAKED IN AND SO I WILL STOP THERE, AND
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER GIVING US UNTIL AT
LEAST FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR TO RECEIVE THOSE INPUTS SO WE
CAN RECRAFT AND MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO THE AMENDMENT AND COME
BACK TO YOU TO GET A BETTER START COMING FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
11:46:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:46:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS SO HOLD --
OVEROVERWHELMINGLY WHAT I HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY THAT
THEY DON'T WANT THIS AND WANT TO END.
I WILL START BY SAYING I DO NOT SUPPORT CONTINUING THIS.
I SUPPORT TAKING THE MONEY OFF.
LET'S -- LET'S ROLL IT BACK.
I AM GOING TO START FROM THE BEGINNING BY SAYING THE
CONCERNED TAMPA RESIDENT AND ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS SIERRA
CLUB, THE FOREIGN OF THE RIVER AND LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS
PRESENT A SERIES OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PURE PLAN THAT HAVE
YET TO BE ANSWERED.
I HAVE PASSED THOSE TO MY COLLEAGUES THIS MORNING.
AND I AM MOVING -- MY VERY FIRST MOTION, TO MAKE A MOTION
FOR STAFF TO ANSWER THE 17 QUESTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE
RIVER AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME BACK ON DECEMBER 1, 2022
TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
11:47:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
11:47:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I -- ANYBODY?
BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER ABOUT THE VOTE ON THAT, THE REASON
FOR THIS IS I HEAR THE FRUSTRATION PRESIDENT OF COMMUNITY
AND GIVING THESE QUESTIONS.
AND SO IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY GIVE A DEADLINE, SAY LET'S HEAR
ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT -- THESE QUESTIONS ARE VERY SPECIFIC.
I WILL READ JUST A COUPLE AND THEN THEY WILL BE IN THE
RECORD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
BUT I HAVE EVEN -- WHAT I HAVE DONE IS ACTUALLY PULLED THEM
OUT AND PUT THEM INTO BULLETED QUESTIONS SO EVERY SINGLE
QUESTION IS ANSWERED.
FIRST ONE IS, WHAT REMAINS IN THE WASTEWATER AFTER IT HAS
BEEN TREATED NOW?
WHAT ARE THE LEVELS OF CHEMICALS, METALS, PFAS ARE
YOU'LL, PROA, HORMONES AND NUTRIENTS THAT CONTAIN IN REMAIN
IN THE WASTEWATER AFTER IT HAS BEEN TREATED AT WASTEWATER
TREATMENT PLANT AND PRESENTEDLY DISCHARGED INTO TAMPA BAY.
WHEN YOU ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, IF YOU CAN SPELL OUT THE
ACRONYMS FOR PEOPLE, THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
NUMBER FOUR, HOW MUCH WILL PURE COST.
SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE THE PROJECTED A COSTS AND B,
MAINTENANCE COST.
HOW WILL PURE BE.
WILL CUSTOMERS' UTILITY BILLS INCREASE BY HOW MUCH AND WHEN.
THIS IS WHAT COMMUNITIES ARE ASKING, AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK
THAT YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC.
THAT IS MY FIRST MOTION.
11:48:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
YOU HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
NOT TO BE REDUNDANT.
NOT TO BE REDUNDANT WITH MISS DUNCAN SITTING HERE NOW.
DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN 6 TO ASK THOSE SAME
QUESTIONS OF 6?
11:49:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT WE HAD OPENED 5 AND 6 TOGETHER.
MY APOLOGIES.
11:49:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:49:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH YOU.
I THINK THIS IS A CLARITY OF ITEM.
BUT EVER AFTER YOU MAKE THE MOTION AND I AM SURE IT WILL
PASS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE SAME MOTION OF TREATING RIVER WATER
AND WHAT IS IN THE RIVER WATER THAT WE HAVE TO TREAT.
VIRUSES LIKE POLIO VIRUSES.
OTHERS THINGS -- OTHER THINGS THAT ARE VIRUSS THAT ARE THERE
NOW POSSIBLY.
I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ENTITY THAT IS DUMPING WATER CLOSE TO
WHERE THE GREEN SWAMP, ANY CITIES TO THE EAST OF US OR
TRIBUTARIES THAT ARE DUMPING WATER INTO THE GREEN SWAMP THAT
IS CONTAMINATED OR MORE CONTAMINATED MAN IN WHAT THE MOTION
WAS WITH MISS HURTAK.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS -- MAY I ADD THAT TO
YOUR MOTION.
11:49:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
11:49:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAY I ADD THAT TO HAVE ONE COMPELLING
MOTION.
I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ONE THING.
WANT THEM TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND KNOWLEDGE AND THAT IS
WHAT MISS HURTAK IS LEADING TO HAVE A COMPLETE LOOK AT THE
WATER SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WEDNESDAY COLUMBUS DRANK
AND PISSED IN THE OCEAN, WE ARE DRINKING TODAY.
11:50:20AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, SIR, WE CAN DO THAT.
11:50:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, DO YOU ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENT BY MR. MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:50:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:50:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:50:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:50:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:50:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:50:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:50:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:50:39AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:50:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS DUNCAN, OPEN NUMBER 6 NOW.
11:50:45AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, NUMBER 6 --
11:50:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I APOLOGIZE.
11:50:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE WAS AS REQUEST -- DOES THAT ANSWER
THE QUESTION FOR NUMBER 5?
11:50:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE IT DOES.
I BELIEVE ONCE THEY COME BACK -- EXCUSE ME ONCE MISS DUNCAN
COMES BACK TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS REQUESTED BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK AND MIRANDA, THEN WE CAN PROCEED AFTER THAT.
11:51:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CONTINUES THE RESOLUTION TO DECEMBER 1?
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
11:51:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT MY MOTION.
11:51:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO NUMBER 5.
11:51:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN MAKE -- I CAN MAKE A FOR THAT TOO.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE VOTE NO ON CONTINUING THIS.
BECAUSE THE CITIZENS ARE TELLING US THEY DON'T WANT IT.
AND IF WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS -- OKAY, I AM JUST GOING
TO KEEP GOING AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY I WANT NO.
SORRY.
THERE IS A LOT -- THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF -- I WISH WE HAD
OPENED FIVE AND SIX.
I AM SORRY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS A COUPLE OF
TIMES.
11:51:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS DUNCAN, LET'S GO TO NUMBER 6, STAFF CAN
GIVE US A REPORT AND WE CAN MAKE ANY DECISIONS AFTER THAT.
THANK YOU.
11:52:04AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, NUMBER 6 IS A COMPANION ITEM.
PART TWO OF TWO OF NUMBER FIVE, THE RESOLUTION PORTION OF
NUMBER 5.
SO, AGAIN, THAT GOES ALONG WITH NUMBER 5.
5 IN MORE OF THE CONTENT AND SIX IS THE RESOLUTION THAT GOES
ALONG WITH IT.
11:52:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
11:52:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:52:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANOTHER QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC HAD ASKED IS
WHERE -- WHAT -- BEFORE I WAS HERE IN FEBRUARY, COUNCIL
APPROVED $1.2 MILLION, I BELIEVE TO START THIS PROCESS OF
ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THAT FUNDING
HAS BEEN UTILIZED.
AND EVERYONE IS ASKING WHERE HAS THAT MONEY GONE.
CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE US AN ANSWER, FIRST OF ALL, OF WHERE
THAT MONEY HAS GONE.
11:52:56AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
SO THE AMOUNT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE CONTRACT WAS -- I
WILL JUST ROUNDS IT IF THAT'S OKAY.
A LITTLE OVER $1.1 MILLION.
WE HAVE SPENT A LITTLE MORE THAN $250,000.
AND SO THERE IS PROPOSAL $880,000 LEFT ON THAT ORIGINAL
CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY --
FEBRUARY, APOLOGIZE.
SO JUST QUICKLY, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE WITH
THAT MONEY.
I HAVE A WHOLE LIST I CAN SEND TO YOU ALL IF YOU WOULD LIKE,
BUT WE DEVELOPED FIVE POTENTIALITY TIFFS WITH TAMPA BAY
WATER.
WORKED WITH THEIR STAFF.
THEY ARE INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY PURCHASING 20 MILLION
GALLONS A DAY OF RECLAIMED WATER FROM US.
WE WORKED WITH TAMPA BAY WATER ON MODELING TO KEEP THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER FULL.
WE STARTED DISCUSSION WITH TAMPA BAY WATER AND S.W.F.W.M.D.
AND HAVE INCREASED COOPERATIVE FUNDING.
S.W.F.W.M.D. AND TAMPA BAY WATER IS INTERESTED IN THE
REGIONAL BENEFIT THIS PROJECT COULD PROVIDE.
AND WE HAVE FIVE OTHER MEMBER GOVERNMENTS THAT CAN BENEFIT
ULTIMATELY FROM THE PROJECT.
WE DRAFTED A MATRIX FOR DEVELOPING ALTERNATIVES OF THE
MATRIX SIMILAR TO TAMPA BAY WATER OF SELECTING ALTERNATIVE
MASTER PLAN.
WE WILL BE SHARING THAT WITH COUNCIL WHEN WE GET THE
OPPORTUNITY BASED ON FURTHER DECISIONS.
WE HAVE CONTINUED MONTH MONTHLY STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THAT
YOU HEARD FROM THE SIERRA CLUB AND OTHERS.
PART OF THE TIME SINCE FEBRUARY HAS BEEN REWORKING OUR
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN OF WHICH WE WERE HERE TODAY AS A
CONTINUANCE NOW TO TRY TO GET THAT IN PLACE, BECAUSE WE
CLEARLY NEED TO HAVE APPROPRIATE ENGAGEMENT.
WE WANT THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO SHARE FACTS AND INFORMATION.
AND NOT JUST HAVE THEM LEARN THINGS OFF OF SOURCES THAT
MAYBE AREN'T SO ACCURATE.
THAT IS PART OF THE I DID LEVEL THE DILEMMA WE ARE FACING.
THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG.
WE HAVE DISCUSSION WITH CAN S.W.F.W.M.D. BOARD OF HOW PURE
CAN HELP FLOWS OF THE RIVER.
AND CONTINUING TO DISCHARGE AT THE HOWARD F. CURRAN
TREATMENT PLANT AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT THAT WE WANT TO
REQUEST AN OPINION ON FROM DEP.
WE SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING WITH ONE OF THE
STAKEHOLDER FROM FRIENDS OF THE RIVER ON THOSE IDEAS FOR
ASKING THAT QUESTION OF DEP.
AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THAT ANSWER BACK
PROBABLY NOVEMBER OF WHAT THEIR OPINION IS ABOUT DISCHARGE
BEING BE A ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT OR NOT.
WE HAVE WORKED ON ENHANCED SOURCE CONTROL.
WE TALKED TO SOME INDUSTRY FACILITIES THAT ARE DISCHARGING.
TO TALK TO THEM.IMPROVING THEIR WATER QUALITY.
AGAIN NOT ON THE TAXPAYERS AND THE WATER SYSTEM TO TREAT
OTHER WATER THAT IS COMING TO US.
WE STARTED DEVELOPING A PILOT PLAN.
AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT OTHER TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS
THE ION EXCHANGE.
WE HAVE A PILOT STARTED TO FURTHER BE ALIZE AND STUDY THAT,
BECAUSE -- ANALYZE AND STUDY THAT BECAUSE THAT COULD BE AN
ADVANTAGE OF THE SAFETY COMPONENT THAT IS OF CONCERN.
SEVERAL MORE PAGES WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE MONEY AND WE
WILL STOP HERE AND YOU CAN GET THE WHY IDEA, WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SO FAR.
11:56:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW I AND THE PUBLIC WILL LIKE AN ITEMIZED
LIST HOW THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT.
GREAT TO GET THAT LIST, AND ALSO ATTACH TO THE LIST HOW MUCH
MONEY WAS SPENT ON THAT.
IS THAT STAFF TIME, IS THAT -- YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT
DRAFTING A LETTER TO DEP.
11:56:50AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
11:56:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THAT LETTER -- FOR MY UNDERSTANDING,
WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS, YOU ARE TRYING TO ASK DEP FOR
A -- AN APPEAL SAYING THAT WE DON'T -- JUST FINDING OUT IF
WE ACTUALLY REALLY NEED TWO -- [COUGHING]
11:57:14AM >> SORRY.
11:57:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY -- TO STOP PUTTING THE OUTFLOW IN THE
BAY.
11:57:21AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE WANT TO ASK OUR QUESTION WHETHER OUR
DISCHARGE WILL BE CONSIDERED AS A BENEFICIAL USE TO THE BAY.
WE DO HAVE A HIGHLY TREATED WASTEWATER DISCHARGE -- THANK
YOU.
AGAIN IT WAS CUTTING EDGE AT THE TIME IN 1980s AND
CONTROVERSY THEN WHY WE HAD TO SPEND THE MONEY ON IT.
WE PROUD OURSELVES OF BEING CUTTING EDGE.
WE WANT TO ASK OUR QUESTION TO THE DEP OUR DISCHARGE, CAN BE
CONSIDERED A BENEFICIAL USE AND IN CONCERT WITH THE STAKES
HOLDERS HOW WE PLAN TO ASK THE QUESTION.
PLANNING TO SHARE -- APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE -- TO SHARE THAT
DRAFT WITH THE COUNCIL BEFORE IT IS SENT.
[COUGHING]
-- WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO THAT QUESTION
PLAN TO DO THAT.
11:58:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU WILL BRING IT BACK TO SHARE IT WITH US
AND THE STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE IT IS SENT.
11:58:19AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
11:58:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LOVE THAT YOU BRING IT TO THE STAKEHOLDERS
FIRST AND FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND THE STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE --
11:58:27AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
CAN I JUST STEP OUT FOR A SECOND.
I AM SORRY.
I WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
11:58:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, THE -- THE
-- THE REINTRODUCTION TO THIS WATER INTO THE BAY, WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF PINEY POINT AND THE LOSS OF SEAGRASSES BECAUSE
OF TIDAL FLOW UP AND DOWN THE UPPER BAY, THE BAY HAS BEEN
THE CLEANEST IN 50 YEARS.
11:58:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL --
11:58:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PINEY POINT AND
SEAGRASSES.
11:59:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EVEN IF WHAT YOU SAID, WE ARE DUMPING 370
TONS -- WHAT YOU CALL IT -- INTO THE BAY.
11:59:11AM >> NUTRIENTS, YES, SIR.
11:59:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHICH IS SMALL COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS.
11:59:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PRESENTATION COMING IN
FRONT OF US ON NOVEMBER 3 FROM THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM
TO TALK OF HOW SEAGRASSES ARE ACTUALLY DYING.
IT IS ALL CONNECTED.
SO -- WE EXPECT THAT LETTER WITH INPUT FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS
AND PRETTY MUCH FROM NOW ON, EVERYTHING THAT -- IN MY
OPINION THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING
HAVING TO DO WITH THIS WATER, I AM GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A
STAKEHOLDER ATTACHMENT TO IT.
BECAUSE THIS -- WE -- OUR STAKEHOLDERS HAVE AN INCREDIBLE
AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE.
THEY AREN'T JUST PEOPLE WE TOOK OFF THE STREET.
THESE FOLKS HAVE HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE TOGETHER.

12:00:04PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I'M SORRY.
12:00:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU HAVE WATER? TAKE YOUR TIME, TAKE YOUR
TIME.
12:00:08PM >> PUT THEM BACK; YOU DON'T LOOK TOO GOOD.
[ LAUGHTER ]
12:00:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING.
THIS IS -- TO ME THIS IS AN ISSUE OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
IN MY DAY JOB, I WORKED ON MID-TERM EVALUATION OF A PROJECT
TO ESTABLISH WHETHER PROGRESS IS BEING MADE, AND IF FUNDING
SHOULD CONTINUE TO FLOW TO THESE PROJECTS.
I SEE NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL PROGRESS IS BEING MADE ON
THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US. I
DON'T SEE ANYTHING FURTHER THAN CONVERSATION, AND I AM JUST
NOT GOING TO SUPPORT FURTHER FUNDING OF IT AT THIS TIME.
OR I AM JUST NOT GOING TO SUPPORT FURTHER FUNDING OF IT,
PERIOD.
I AM MOVING THAT WE DIRECT THE REMAINING UNSPENT $880,000
ALLOCATED IN FEBRUARY TO SOLELY ANSWERING THE QUESTION OF

WHAT RESULTS FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STATUS QUO ON THE
FOLLOWING ISSUES: THE UNFUNDED STATE MANDATE ABOUT
WASTEWATER.
THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER MINIMUM FLOWs AND DROUGHT-PROOFING
THE RESERVOIR.
I HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC MOTION ABOUT THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO USE THE FUNDING
LEFT OVER IN THE PCL CONTRACT WHICH WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY
OF 2022.
WE ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT SIGNED TO GIVE MONEY TO THIS
ORGANIZATION TO ANALYZE BOTH THE BEST AND WORST CASE
SCENARIOS OF CONTINUING WITH THE STATUS QUO ON SENATE BILL
64, THE UNFUNDED MANDATE FROM THE STATE, MINIMUM FLOWS ON
THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND DROUGHT-PROOFING THE RESERVOIR.
AND I WANT THIS TO COME BACK DURING THE WORKSHOP SESSION ON
APRIL 27, 2023, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE STAFF TO CONDUCT A PRELIMINARY FINDING
MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN LATE MARCH OF 2023 SO THAT WE
HAVE THEIR INPUT BEFORE YOU EVEN COME TO US.
ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT STAFF KEEP COUNCIL
BRIEFED AND UP TO DATE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN PCL COMES BACK
WITH ITS FINDINGS.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WITH THIS NEW FLORIDA DEP
REGULATION, OR QUESTION, THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS AND US ARE
GOING TO HAVE, I ALSO ASK THAT STAFF COME BACK ON NOVEMBER

3rd DURING THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE WITH FEEDBACK FROM
THE FLORIDA DEP REGARDING THE BENEFICIAL USE QUESTION ABOUT
OUR DISCHARGE.
12:02:38PM >> SECOND.
12:02:40PM >> I DID MY HOMEWORK.
12:02:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MASSEY?
12:02:46PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
REAL QUICKLY, I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION
WITH MR. SHELBY.
OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL ASKED FOR STAFF FOR INFORMATION REGARDING
VARIOUS ITEMS BEFORE IT VOTES ON A CONTRACT, BUT THE
NEGOTIATION OF A CONTRACT IS DONE BY STAFF, AND THAT'S NOT
WITHIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO DIRECT HOW THAT HAPPENS.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CONTRACT COMES BEFORE YOU, IF
THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN YOU THE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC INPUT OR HAVE
NOT FULLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS OF THE
PUBLIC, YOU CAN DISAPPROVE THE CONTRACT.
BUT THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS SET UP, THE CHARTER IS SET UP, THE
NEGOTIATIONS ARE DONE BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
12:03:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
12:03:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TO GO WITH OUR COUNSEL FIRST.
12:03:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAS YOUR MOTION IN REFERENCE TO THE
EXISTING CONTRACT?
12:03:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF THAT HAVE SAID THEY
DO NOT DISAGREE WITH MY MOTION, THAT THEY ARE HAPPY TO WORK

ON MODIFYING THE CONTRACT TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
12:03:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
12:03:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I'M SORRY, THIS IS NOT JUST LIKE THROWING IT OUT THERE.
I AM TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERYONE.
I ASKED THE QUESTION IF WE COULD MOVE THE MONEY, AND IF WE
COULD REALLOCATE IT TO THIS SIMPLE QUESTION, BECAUSE TO ME
THE SIMPLE QUESTION EVERYONE IS ASKING US IS, DO WE NEED
THIS?
AND SO THIS TO ME USING THE -- WE HAVE TO ANSWER THE
QUESTIONS WHAT ARE THE BEST AND WORST CASE SCENARIOS IF WE
JUST KEEP DOING WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING WHICH IS WHAT THE
PUBLIC IS ASKING US TO DO, TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE ARE ALREADY
DOING.
THEY DON'T WANT THIS.
SO LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE BEST AND WORST CASE SCENARIOS ARE
IF WE JUST KEEP THE STATUS QUO.
12:04:29PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
A COMMENT -- IS IT OKAY IF I SPEAK?
12:04:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FINISH YOUR COMMENT AND I WILL GET TO
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AFTER COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:04:40PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
SO YES, THE REQUEST IS WITHIN THE SCOPE
THAT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
WE HAVE CERTAIN FLEXIBILITIES WITHIN THESE SCOPES TO MAKE
ADJUSTMENTS.

WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT WITHIN THE APPROVED
SCOPE.
MORRIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE BIGGER PROCESS.
BUT YES, THIS IS A HOUSEKEEPING TYPE ACTIVITY WE CAN DO
WITHIN THAT SCOPE AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
12:05:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:05:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WAS MY CONCERN WHEN MR. MASSEY GOT UP
AND SAID ABOUT THE CONTRACT.
IF COUNCIL IS ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK AT CONTRACT
AND TO LOOK AT THE MODIFICATION OF THE CONTRACT, I DON'T
THINK THERE WILL BE A CONFLICT OF THIS BODY DOING THAT.
SO I SEE THE BIGGER SCOPE.
BUT IF WE PAY SO MANY DOLLARS AND THIS COUNCIL APPROVES AND
THINGS ARE NOT RIGHT AND COMES TO YOU AND SAYS SOMETHING IS
NOT RIGHT, WE WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS CONTRACT
AND MODIFY IT, WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO
THAT OR WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
12:05:37PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, I THINK IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
RENEGOTIATING A CONTRACT TERMS AND ADJUSTING WITHIN THE
APPROVED SCOPE.
SO WE ARE WITHIN THAT SECOND PART, BUT IT WOULD BE OKAY.
12:05:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
12:05:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

12:05:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK BROUGHT UP -- AND I'M
SORRY I AM LOSING MY VOICE -- THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW DO WE
NEED OF THIS?
THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS NO, WE DON'T NEED IT.
AND I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY SITTING BEHIND THE PODIUM
THERE AGREES WITH THAT.
IT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING THAT THREE REASONS THAT WERE GIVEN
FOR THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE NONE OF THEM REALLY APPLY.
THE BOTTOM LINE ABOUT WHY WE WOULD NEED THIS IS REALLY JUST
A QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS MGD?
THE OTHER QUESTIONS ARE SEPARATE FROM THIS BUT JUST TO
ADDRESS THEM QUICKLY, NUMBER ONE, WE NEED THIS FOR MINIMUM
FLOWS.
I TOLD STAFF THAT'S A STATEMENT THAT MISLEADS THE PUBLIC.
THE ONLY REASON WE NEED MINIMUM FLOWS IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO
BE ABLE TO PULL OUR 83 MGD.
WE CAN EASILY BUY THE DIFFERENCE FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
WE DON'T NEED THIS FOR MINIMUM FLOWS.
SAYING WE NEED MINIMUM FLOWS MISLEADS THE PUBLIC AND SCARE
IT IS PUBLIC.
WE NEED TO QUOTE-UNQUOTE DROUGHT-PROOF OUR SYSTEM.
THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER.
IN THE SITUATION WHERE WE GET THE WORST DROUGHT IN 100 YEARS
I THINK A CITY WITH 41 MGD FROM TAMPA BAY WATER TO GET THAT.

SO WE DON'T NEED THAT.
AND IF YOU THINK WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE CONTRACT
IS WRITTEN NOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS -- EVERY YEAR, THE
CITY OF TAMPA IS ASKED BY THE REGIONAL SUPPLIER, AND MR.
MIRANDA IS ON THE BOARD, BUT ASKED BY TAMPA BAY WATER HOW
MUCH DO YOU NEED?
IF WE GO BACK AND SAY BEING WE NEED TO MODIFY THE INTERLOCAL
AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT DROUGHT, THE
ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVES SAID WE ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT
DROUGHT, THEY SAID WE THINK CLIMATE CHANGE IS GOING TO CAUSE
US MORE FLOODING.
BUT THEN WE CAN CHANGE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THE ONES
IN A 100 YEAR FLOOD.
AND THEN THE REASON GIVEN FOR THE STATE LAW.
WE KNOW, AT LEAST I KNOW FROM TALKING TO PEOPLE IN
TALLAHASSEE, THAT BEFORE WE WERE ALL ON COUNCIL,
REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE CITY LOBBIED TO GET THIS LEGISLATION
PASSED.
WE CAN GET OUR LOBBYISTS ONTO GETTING IT CHANGED.
BUT THE STAFF IS NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.
WE CAN ALSO ASK FOR A DELAY.
BUT I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THEY ARE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN
THAT EITHER.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE DON'T NEED THIS.

THERE ALREADY WAS AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
WE THE DEMANDED THEY DO THIS TWO YEARS AGO AND SPENT A LOT
OF MONEY, EVEN HIRED AN OUTSIDE FIRM.
THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING NOW IS GOING
TO BE DONE ULTIMATELY AND GET BIGGER CONTRACT AFTERWARDS.
THEY ARE NOT EXCLUDED.
EVEN THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS BY THE FIRM DID NOT INCLUDE
THE MAYOR PRESENTED THE RIGHT WAY TO MAKE IT A AN OBJECTIVE
ANALYSIS.
ANY ANALYSIS IS BIASED BY THE MODEL THAT YOU CREATE, AND THE
EXAMPLE -- ON THE COSTS WE ARE GETTING ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT
INFORMATION ABOUT THE COSTS AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND
THERE ARE NUMBERS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA WANTS TO OWN THIS
PROJECT.
AND LET'S SAY IT'S ONLY 2 BILLION OR LET'S SAY 6 BILLION
DOLLARS.
WHY DOES THE CITY OF TAMPA WANT TO BURDEN OUR RATE PAYERS
WITH THE DEBT AND RATE BURDEN OF CARRYING THIS PROJECT WHEN
IT COULD BE DONE IN THE REGION?
AND THE REGIONAL SUPPLY OF TAMPA BAY WATER ISN'T EVEN
INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THIS.
IT'S NOT OWN THEIR SHORT LIST.
THAT'S BECAUSE ON 2018, THE CITY ASKED THEM TO TAKE IT OUT.
THEY SAID THIS ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE TAP

PROJECT, THEY SAID THEY WANT TO TAKE IT OUT.
WHAT WE SIMPLY ASK YOU IS HAVE A MOTION THAT PUTS IT BACK
IN.
AND TAMPA BAY WATER IS LOOKING AT SPENDING -- USING 20 MGD.
THAT ALLOWS THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PROCESS THE OTHER 30 MGD.
SOMEBODY JUST WANTS A BIG PROJECT.
THEY WANT IT FOR OUR RATE PAYERS AND OUR RESIDENTS WITH THIS
BIG PROJECT THAT WE DON'T NEED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORECAST, THE ENTIRE REGION IN 2050 IS
GOING TO NEED 33 MGD AND THAT OBSERVATION IS ONLY GOING TO
NEED 8 OR 9 MGD IN 30 YEARS.
WHY HE L WOULD WE TODAY SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON A
PROJECT THAT THE WHOLLY REGION NEEDS IN 30 YEARS AND NOT
EVEN 100 YEARS.
IT'S A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY.
AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IT OR THE SCIENTISTS IN
THE ROOM RIGHT NOW DON'T UNDERSTAND IT OR THEY DON'T WANT --
IT'S REALLY INSULTING TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S INSULTING TO ALL OF US.
WE LOOKED AT THIS.
WE DON'T NEED IT.
WE NEED TO KILL THIS PROJECT.
WE NEED TO KILL IT IN EVERY WAY AND MAKE THE WATER
DEPARTMENT GO BACK AND COOPERATE WITH THE REGION.
AND I HAVE GOT SOME MOTIONS LATER.

BUT I THINK WE SHOULD KILL THIS COMPLETELY.
WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW IT.
THANK YOU.
12:11:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:11:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH
THIS DEBATE AND THIS NARRATIVE, IT'S BEEN A JOURNEY.
IT'S BEEN LIKE TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, A REALLY LONG
TIME.
I HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF VOTES TO CONTINUE THE DIALOGUE, TO
CONTINUE THE PROCESS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, TO GET A LOT OF
INFORMATION OUT.
AND OVER THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, TWO YEARS OR SO, WE
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT A LOT OF THINGS, NOT ALL OF US
ARE WATER EXPERTS, OBVIOUSLY, I CERTAINLY AM NOT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS BY VIRTUE OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE
PUBLIC A VERY, VERY HARD SELL.
IT IS -- AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED.
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC HAS
SHOWN -- AND I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUS.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE ADMINISTRATION BEARS A BURDEN IN
TERMS OF DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS.
THAT'S THE WAY OUR CITY GOVERNMENT IS SET UP AND WHATNOT.
AND OVER THE LAST TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN
A LOT OF DIALOGUE.

THERE HAS BEEN.
I KNOW WE ARE FUNDING THINGS FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
THERE HAS BEEN.
THE MEDIA REPORT ADD LOT OF THESE STORIES.
WE ARE GETTING E-MAILS THAT HONESTLY IN THE LAST WEEK AND A
HALF, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY E-MAILS I HAVE GOTTEN ON THIS.
MAYBE 100.
MAYBE 200.
ONE OF MY PET PEEVES IS ALWAYS WHENEVER WE GET TWO OR THREE
PEOPLE SPEAKING ON SOMETHING THE FOLKS GO, THE COMMUNITY IS
SPEAKING OUT.
AND I GO, NOT NECESSARILY THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS THE COMMUNITY.
TO ME THIS IS THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING OUT.
SO I DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IN TERMS
OF THE MANDATE, IF WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM IT, IT'S GOING TO
CONTINUE TO COME BACK TO US.
BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC, I THINK, HAS
SPOKEN ON VERY UNEQUIVOCALLY WITH REGARDS TO PUTTING USED
WATER THAT TURNS THEM OFF.
IT JUST DOES.
I TRIED TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND IT POTENTIALLY IN THE LAST
TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND I THINK IS SOMETHING THE
PUBLIC IS VERY MUCH AGAINST AND WHATNOT.

IT'S AN ISSUE THAT IN A WAY WE ARE UP AGAINST THE CLOAK BUT
WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ENGAGEMENT WITH
THE PUBLIC, THEY HAVE SPOKEN OUT VERY MUCH SO ON THIS ISSUE.
THEY HAVE SPOKEN OUT VERY MUCH ON THIS ISSUE.
AND I DO THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL ON THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO
DRAW THE LINE, THAT AFTER TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I DON'T
KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT START OVER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
WANT TO SAY TAKE CERTAIN THINGS OFF THE TABLE THE PUBLIC
DOESN'T LIKE.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF AND
LISTEN TO.
AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT, IN MY OPINION.
THERE'S ANOTHER THING I WANT TO SAY.
IT'S REALLY EASY WHENEVER YOU ARE SPEAKING ON SOMETHING THAT
IS CONTROVERSIAL AS THE PUBLIC, ET CETERA, TO GO, WELL,
STAFF IS DOING THIS, STAFF IS KEEPING THIS FROM US.
I WORK WITH STAFF A LOT, OBVIOUSLY, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
WE HAVE REALLY GOOD STAFF HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THEY ARE HARD WORKING.
THEY ARE HONEST.
THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
THEY ARE CIVIL SERVANTS, PUBLIC SERVANTS.
SO ANYONE WHO WOULD SAY THAT SOMEBODY -- THERE'S SOMETHING
OUT THERE, I DISAGREE.
UNTIL I SEE SOMETHING TO THE CONTRARY, OBVIOUSLY.

I NEVER WANT TO JUMP ON THAT ASSUMPTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG.
BUT I DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT WE DO NEED TO DRAW THE LINE ON
THIS.
THE PUBLIC IS OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSED TO THIS.
WE HAVE HAD TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO TALK ABOUT THIS,
HAVE DIALOGUE ON THIS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC ON IT.
AND THAT IS A BIG CONTRIBUTING FACTOR ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS,
WHEN THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH IT
DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC ON AN ISSUE
LIKE THIS 110%.
JUST SOME OF MY BELIEF THOUGHTS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
12:15:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:15:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK SPOKE
ABOUT APRIL.
I SUGGEST WE HAVE IT BEFORE THE ELECTION, NOT AFTER THE
ELECTION.
I MEAN, MAKES IN A DIFFERENCE TO ME, BUT IF THIS IS GOING TO
BE AN ISSUE MAKE IT BEFORE THE ELECTION SO THE PUBLIC HAS A
CHANCE TO VOTE.
12:15:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN COULD YOU DO IT?
12:15:26PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE COULD WORK TO HAVE IT BEFORE APRIL IF
THAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL.

OR WE COULD DO IT AS OUR ORIGINAL CONTINUANCE WAS IN
FEBRUARY.
12:15:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO YOU WANT TO DO IT -- FEBRUARY 23rd
WORKSHOP?
OKAY, FEBRUARY 23rd WORKSHOP IT IS.
THEN I ALSO WANT TO CHANGE IN MY MOTION TO HAVE PRELIMINARY
FINDINGS MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN JANUARY, LATE JANUARY.
I MADE THE MOTION ALREADY.
NOW I AM MODIFYING IT ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCILMAN.
12:16:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MIRANDA SECOND ON THAT.
12:16:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:16:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS ALREADY STATED THE HUGE AMOUNT OF
PUBLIC OPPOSITION TO THIS.
PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.
AND I ROBE AND I ALWAYS BRING THIS UP, 2016 WITH THAT FORM
KILOWATT SOCIETY OF $251 MILLION OF PROPERTY -- TAX
ASSESSMENT INCREASE ESSENTIALLY, I HAD PEOPLE INDIVIDUALS
THAT SAID, PLEASE PASS IT.
PEOPLE THAT WERE LAND OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE
GOING TO BE PAYING MORE IN TAXES BECAUSE OF FLOODING IN THE
CITY.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT WITH PURE.
IF I SEARCH MY E-MAILS I MIGHT FIND ONE OR TWO IN SUPPORT.
I TRUST PEOPLE.
I FEEL CONFIDENT GARY EVANS AND KEN BAILEY BEFORE THAT.
THERE ARE SOME GREAT, GREAT CONCERNS.
AND I OFTEN LOOK TO MY MOTHER, YOU KNOW, FOR GUIDANCE AND
WHATNOT.
AND IF I CAN CONVINCE MY MOTHER, AND IF I CAN SWAY HER ON
SOMETHING, THEN MAYBE I FEEL RIGHT TO VOTE ON IT.
I CAN'T CONVINCE MY MOTHER.
AND SHE'S PRETTY EASY TO SWAY AND SHE'S JUST TOTALLY OPPOSED
TO IT.
SO I USE THAT AS A LITMUS TEST.
THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY, VERY HARD SELL.
AGAIN, IF THERE WAS 998 PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, THERE
MIGHT BE TWO IN SUPPORT, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE TALKING
TO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, NOT JUST
TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE HERE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNT
OF PEOPLE SAYING NO TO SOMETHING, OR THEY ARE SCARED OF IT,
OR THEY ARE SCARED FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN OF
WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE WATER, I MEAN, THIS IS TOUGH.
AND THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED, IS THIS ABSOLUTELY
NECESSARY?
AND ARE WE WILLING TO RISK THE FUTURE?

ARE WE WILLING TO RISK A POSSIBLE CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ONE
DAY?
I DON'T WANT THAT BLOOD ON MY HAND.
IF IT'S ABOUT, WELL, YOU RAISED MY TAXES.
BUT I FIXED YOUR FLOODING.
OR IF I AM SUPPORTING ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION, WHICH I AM,
BECAUSE I WANT THE ROADS TO GET FIXED, AND SIDEWALKS, I WANT
TO GO TO YOU, JEAN DUNCAN, AND SAY HEY, CAN WE GET THIS?
WE HAVE THAT MONEY IN PLACE.
THAT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT THIS, THIS IS MESSING WITH PEOPLE'S HEALTH, POTENTIALLY.
AND THAT IS A BIG CONCERN TO ME.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:18:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:18:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I 100% AGREE, AND I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT
A MOTION OR EVEN MAKE A MOTION TO SAY NO, WE ARE NOT GOING
TO FUND THIS ANYMORE.
BUT THIS MOTION IS ASKING -- AND I WILL BE SELFISH.
IT'S FOR ME AS MUCH AS IT IS FOR WHAT I HAVE READ IN THE
E-MAILS FROM THE PUBLIC OF WHAT DO WE DO?
A LOT OF MY E-MAILS ARE SAYING, LET'S JUST STICK WITH WHAT
WE HAVE.
SO WHAT I WANT TO THE KNOW IS, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS
BOTH GOOD AND BAD FOR STICKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE?
AND I WANT THIS INFORMATION FROM THE PCL CONTACT, THEN I

WANT THE STAKE HOLDERS TO WEIGH IN ON THE ANSWERS THAT WE
GET, AND THEN I WANT US TO COME BACK TO A WORKSHOP TOGETHER
TO DISCUSS -- AND IF THE PUBLIC STILL SAYS WE DON'T WANT IT,
AND WE ARE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE, THEN AWESOME.
I'M FINE WITH THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS PARTICULAR MOTION IS ABOUT.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO -- OR I WILL MAKE THE
MOTION TO SAY NO TO FURTHER FUNDING, AND THAT'S FINE.
12:19:50PM >> MR. CHAIR.
12:19:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL GET TO YOU AFTER COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:19:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT JUST AGREEING WITH MS. HURTAK
AT ALL.
HOWEVER HER MOTION FOR 17 ITEMS IS NOT GOING TO BE HEARD IN
FEBRUARY.
SO DOES IT COST ANY MONEY AT ALL TODAY TO LET 5 AND 6
COINCIDE WITH THE NEW MOTION THAT WE HAVE ON THE FLOOR, NOT
ONLY HER 17 ITEMS FOR THIS TYPE OF WATER BUT FOR THE TYPE OF
WATER, RIVER WATER, WELL WATER THE L, THAT WE ARE GETTING
THE WATER FROM TO USE, THAT WE USE ON A DAILY BASIS IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA TO MEET THE 17 CRITERIA FOR THE WATER WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT, THE WATER WE HAVE NOW.
AND THE OTHER PART WAS ANY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES EAST OF US,
IF THEY HAVE DUMPING ANY WATER GREEN SWAMP OR -- AND THOSE
ARE THE SAME THINGS.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERYTHING
DONE, 5 AND 6, AND IF IT TAKES ALL DAY TO DO SOMETHING, I
WANT TO DO IT.
NOT ONLY FOR TRANSPARENCY BUT WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS NOTE
RIGHT.
I AM NOT SAYING THERE'S A WRONG.
SOMETIMES YOU SAY I HATE SOMETHING.
I LIKE THINGS MORE THAN OTHERS.
THAT'S ALL.
12:21:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:21:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I WOULD RESPECTFULLY HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST COUNCILMEMBER
HURTAK'S PROPOSAL ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WASTE
ANY MORE TIME ON THIS.
WE DON'T NEED IT.
AND THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS ARE BIASED BY THE MODEL
THAT IS IN IT.
AN EXAMPLE, WE JUST SAW THE THREE REASONS, THE RATIONALE FOR
THIS, WHICH I HAVE BEEN DISPUTING FOR MONTHS.
IF WE ASSUME THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE MINIMUM FLOWS, AND WE
CAN'T -- AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMES THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO BUY
WATER FROM SOMEONE ELSE.
IT'S A FLAWED MODEL THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
AND I THINK THE WATER DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US
FIRST WITH A NEW MODEL, WITH A REAL QUESTION THAT NEEDS

ANSWERED, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS 15 MGD?
AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS HOW DO WE GO ABOUT RESPONDING --
FIRST OF ALL WE SHOULD LOBBY THE STATE TO CHANGE THAT
AGREEMENT.
SECOND WE SHOULD WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO PUT UP AN HONEST
PROPOSAL TO THE -- I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THEY ARE NOT
INTERESTED IN GETTING IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUILD
SOMETHING.
AND SO IF THAT'S THE ATTITUDE, THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK
WITH ANSWERS TO JUSTIFY DOING SOMETHING.
BUT WE DON'T NEED IT MORE MINIMUM FLOWS, TO BE DROUGHT
PROOF, AND WE DON'T NEED TO THE COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.
BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIND OTHER SOLUTIONS TO THE
PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE NOT JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE LENS OF
WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS?
12:22:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:22:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM SITTING HERE LISTENING, AND WE HAVE
$800,000 LEFT.
I DON'T WANT TO BLOW $800,000.
BECAUSE LISTENING TO SOME OF THE COUNCILMEN THEY ARE ALREADY
CONVINCED.
SO JUST WASTING $8,000 FOR A NO VOTE TO -- 800,000 TO COME
BACK IS CRAZY.
WE HAVE ALL THE ISSUES GOING ON.
I AM ALWAYS SUPPORTIVE, COUNCILWOMAN, BUT TO ME $800,000 AND

HEARING YOU AND TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAVEN'T HEARD
FROM THE CHAIRMAN YET, ALREADY SAYING NO ALREADY.
I HATE TO BLOW $800,000.
SO AGAIN, I LIKE TO LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY, AND
WAIT DOWN THE LINE, AND IF DEP OR WHATEVER, EVERYONE HAS A
SAY, BUT RIGHT NOW, $100,000 JUST TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO DO
THIS, AND I AM HEARING PEOPLE ALREADY SAYING LET'S JUST KILL
IT, THEN WHY ARE WE WASTING OUR MONEY?
12:23:57PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
COULD I ANSWER THAT?
12:24:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. DUNCAN, PLEASE GREEN JEAN WE WOULD LIKE
TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH COUNCIL HURTAK'S RECOMMENDATION
BECAUSE THE DEP, SWFWMD, TAMPA BAY WATER, THEY WILL BE
GIVING US FEEDBACK IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS OF WHICH WE HAVE
TO RESPOND TO, PARTICULARLY SWFWMD.
SO AGAIN, I THINK IF WE HAD A COMPROMISE OF NOT APPROVING
THE AMENDMENT, BUT LETTING US TAKE THE MONEYS WE HAVE TO
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT MS. HURTAK IS PROPOSING, THAT'S
PROBABLY THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.
12:24:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:24:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY MOTION DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH
PURE.
I AM ALREADY SAYING NO TO PURE I HAVE OF.
I DON'T WANT ANY MORE MONEY FOR PURE.
BUT IF WE ARE BEING TOLD WE HAVE TO FIND OUT SOMETHING TO DO
WITH THIS WATER, IF STAFF IS TELLING US THAT, HEY, THESE ARE

PROBLEMS, OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT AGREE.
BUT THIS IS WHAT I AM BEING TOLD.
I WANT THE CHANCE TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE THE OTHER ISSUE IS,
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T COMPLY?
I JUST WANT THE ANSWERS TO THAT.
SO THIS TO ME IS NOT ABOUT PURE.
I WANT PURE TO GO AWAY.
I HAVE SAID THIS FROM THE FIRST TIME.
NO FOR PURE.
NO.
LET'S JUST GET RID OF IT.
IF WE ARE LOOKING -- IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING
ELSE IN THE FUTURE MY GOAL IS TO GO COMPLETELY BACK TO THE
QUESTION OF WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS?
AND SO TO ME WHEN I GO BACK TO WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT
THIS, WHY I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING MANDATED BY THE STATE TO DO THIS, AND YOU HAVE SAID
THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A
FINALIZED LETTER THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TALK TO THE
STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE BRINGING TO US BEFORE SENDING TO DEP TO
GET AN AFTERNOONS ABOUT WHETHER WE EVEN NEED TO DO THIS.
AND I WOULD HAPPILY SAY THAT IF WE FIND THE ANSWER THAT, NO,
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, THAT WE WOULD STOP THIS MOTION I
AM ASKING FOR TO STOP SPENDING MOPE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO
ABOUT IT OR IF WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CLEAR.
12:26:21PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
IT'S CLEAR TO ME.
12:26:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM NOT ASKING FOR MONEY TO BE SPENT ON
PURE.
12:26:26PM >> THE FUNDING THAT YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO SPEND IS UNDER
THE CONTRACT THAT WE PUT THE LABEL ON IT, PURIFYING --
SORRY, SAYING THIS SO MANY TIMES -- PURIFYING RESOURCES FOR
THE ENVIRONMENT JUST TO GIVE IT A NAME.
IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LABEL.
SO THE CONTRACT THAT THAT MONEY IS IN IS THAT PCL CONTRACT.
HOWEVER, IT'S OUR OPINION AND WE CAN CONFIRM WITH LEGAL THAT
IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT SCOPE AND WE CAN MAKE THOSE
ADJUSTMENTS, SPEND THE MONEY ON THE QUESTIONS YOU ARE BEING
ASKED, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ANSWER.
12:27:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
12:27:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:27:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO MAKE A MOTION LATER ABOUT ASKING THE
STAFF TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH US AND THE COMMUNITY ON
THE DEP ORDER BUT ALSO IN THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD
GET AN AMENDMENT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THEIR
LOBBYISTS WILL NOT IN ANY WAY LOBBY THE DEP OR THE STATE,
REJECT THAT BENEFICIAL USE.
[~DISTORTION~] THE SECOND THING IS, COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK,
WOULD YOU CONSIDER AMENDING YOUR MOTION TO ADD SIERRA CLUB,

FRIEND OF RIVER REPRESENTATIVES, AND REPRESENTATIVES OF 20
PLUS GROUP COALITION TO PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME?
12:28:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
I HAVE NOT ASKED THEM, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD
PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO HOPE WITH THE WORKSHOP
IS THAT EVERYBODY, WE COULD ALL COME TOGETHER AND DISCUSS.
I AM GETTING A NOD FROM THE AUDIENCE.
12:28:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH THAT AMENDMENT I WOULD SUPPORT THE
MOTION JUST BECAUSE HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE COLLABORATIVE
EFFORT IN THE MEANTIME, WHETHER GROUPS AGREE OR DISAGREE, WE
WILL HEAR FROM THEM DIRECTLY AND NOT JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:28:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHO SECONDED MY MOTION?
12:28:44PM >> I WILL SECOND IT.
12:28:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMEONE DID.
12:28:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT WAS SO LONG AGO.
12:28:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU STEP THAT AMENDMENT?
BECAUSE I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
12:28:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL SECOND IT.
BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHEN YOU CLARIFY, BUT I AM HEARING
PURE, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF YOU WANT TO KILL SOMETHING,
YOU KILL IT.
12:29:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO KILL THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO
INJECT THIS INTO THE AQUIFER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE
TELLING US THEY DON'T WANT.

I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE STICK WITH WHAT
WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE BEING TOLD BY STAFF THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM.
BUT IF WE GET INPUT FROM ALL OF THESE OTHER ENTITIES TO FIND
OUT, I MEAN, WHAT IF -- I MEAN, IF THE ONLY PUNISHMENT WE
GET IS SOME FINES AND THEN WE CAN FIND -- BUY EXTRA WATER
FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, GREAT.
12:29:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND IT BUT I WANT TO
SAY -- I WANT TO KILL IT.
12:30:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE WITH YOU.
12:30:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HATE TO BE YOU.
12:30:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:

[SOUNDING GAVEL]
CAN WE GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER HERE?
12:30:14PM >> SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
FOR THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY.
HOWEVER, THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE ON 5 AND 6, IF YOU
WANT TO CONTINUE IT OR NOT.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE IT TO GO ALONG WITH YOUR
MOTION, COUNCIL CANNOT MAKE A DECISION DURING THE WORKSHOP.
SO IF YOU WANT THOSE ITEMS TO GO ALONG WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS
5 AND 6 -- YOU DON'T.
12:30:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
12:30:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS AMENDED COUNCIL
HURTAK'S MOTION AND THE SECONDER AGREED TO THAT AMENDMENT.

12:30:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE, AND BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT A
MEMBER OF ANY ONE OF THESE FIVE ORGANIZATIONS.
I THINK I SENT SOME MONEY TO ALL OF THEM ONE TIME OR ANOTHER
AND I GOT A LITTLE CARD SAYING MY NAME IS ON IT BUT I AM NOT
A MEMBER ALTHOUGH I SEND MONEY TO SOME OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ONE OF THEM OR NOT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD.
12:31:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
CARLSON AMENDED IT WHICH NOW IT'S HIS MOTION.
THE AMENDMENT TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:31:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE WAS NO VOTE.
12:31:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HE AMENDED.
HE SAID HE WANTED FRIEND OF THE RIVER INVOLVED.
12:31:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT THAT WAS A QUESTION IF SHE WOULD
ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
I DIDN'T HEAR A MOTION TO AMEND.
12:31:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MADE A MOTION, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:31:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:31:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:31:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:31:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.

12:31:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:31:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:32:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:32:01PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:32:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL FOR AGENDA
ITEMS NUMBER 5 AND 6?
12:32:07PM >> MOVE TO CONTINUE 5 AND 6 --
12:32:12PM >> NO.
12:32:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
12:32:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I MOVE THAT WE DISCONTINUE THE FUNDING.
12:32:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
800 SOMETHING.
I'M SORRY.
12:32:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:32:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE UNSPENT
MONEY 800,000 WOULD NOT BE SPENT BETWEEN NOW AND WHATEVER.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?
12:32:35PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
NO, THE 880,000 IS UNDER THE ORIGINAL
CONTRACT.
WE WOULD SPEND THOSE MONEYS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, PREPARE
FOR THE WORKSHOP.
THE CONTINUANCE HAS THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS 1 POINT SOMETHING
MILLION.
THAT IS THE CONTINUANCE.
THAT'S THE CONTINUANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY.
YOU CAN DECIDE TO VOTE TO SUPPORT OR TO NOT SUPPORT.

12:33:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU GOING TO SPEND
THE 17 QUESTIONS THAT SHE ASKED AND I ADDED TO, THE CURRENT
WATER SYSTEM AND ANY OTHER FLOW THAT COMES FROM SOMEWHERE
ELSE TO THE GREEN SWAMP.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE HOW MUCH?
12:33:18PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THAT WON'T TAKE MUCH MONEY AT ALL.
WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK IN DECEMBER WITH THOSE QUESTIONS
ANSWERED.
HOWEVER, THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS
PROPOSING, THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME AND MONEY AND WILL COME
BACK EITHER FEBRUARY OR APRIL, I'M SORRY, I WASN'T SURE
WHICH FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN DO EITHER.
12:33:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:33:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THIS TOOK ME A WHILE, TOO.
THERE'S TWO POTS OF MONEY FOR 1.27 MILLION.
SO THE FIRST ONE YOU ALL APPROVED IN FEBRUARY, AND WE HAD
250,000 SPENT AND WE HAVE 880 THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED THAT
I WANT SOME OF IT, HOW FAR IT COSTS TO GO TOWARDS FINDING
ANSWERS WHAT THE DEAL IS IN ORDER TO KILL THE ADDITIONAL
1.17 MILLION THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ADDING TO MAKE A MORE
ROBUST SYSTEM.
THAT WE ARE GOING TO KILL.
NO MORE.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF YOU.
12:34:14PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
COULD I SHOW THE ELMO, SHOW THE MONEY?
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING MONEY.
THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS 1.5 AND CHANGE.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD MONEY FROM SWFWMD INCLUDED, WHICH WAS
ABOUT 440,000.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT PCL'S CONTRACT THE DIFFERENCE
OF THAT ABOUT 1.1 MILLION.
WE HAVE SPENT 252,000 OF THAT, AND THE 881 IS WHAT'S LEFT
OVER.
THAT'S EXISTING APPROVED DOLLARS USED TO PREPARE FOR THE
WORKSHOP.
WE DIDN'T SAY WE ARE SPENDING ALL OF THE MONEY.
WE ARE USING THAT TO DRAW FROM TO PREPARE FOR THE WORKSHOP.
12:35:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT'S THE AMOUNT?
12:35:07PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE JUST GOT THE QUESTION ASKED OF US IN THIS
MOMENT SO WE DON'T HAVE -- WE.
HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH OUR CONSULTANT.
WE DO THAT HOUSEKEEPING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF WHAT THAT WILL COST
RIGHT HERE AT THIS TIME.
IT WILL BE LESS THAN 880,000.
PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
12:35:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNSEL.
12:35:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT CHART.

12:35:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SURE.
12:35:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHEN YOU SAY THE MONEY IS SPENT, THAT IS
UNDERSTOOD.
WHEN YOU SAY IT'S ENCUMBERED, IT'S ENCUMBERED FOR A SPECIFIC
PURPOSE, IS IT NOT?
12:35:57PM >> YES.
12:35:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE STILL NEEDS TO BE
DONE AT SOME POINT THAT MONEY STILL NEEDS TO BE REPLENISHED,
CORRECTED?
12:36:06PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
NO.
THE DOLLARS LEFT AND THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED
ALIGN VERY CLOSELY.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL GET A LEGAL OPINION WITH MORE DETAIL,
BECAUSE AGAIN WE ARE JUST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT
NOW, BUT OUR ENGINEERING OPINION IS IF WE PASS THE TASKS
ALIGN CLOSELY ENOUGH WHERE IT'S AN EXERCISE TO ADJUST THOSE
TASKS AND GET THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR THE WORKSHOP.
12:36:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE COST TO BE ABLE TO
PROVIDE TO COUNCIL THIS AFTERNOON BECAUSE THIS IT WAS JUST
BROUGHT UP.
IS THAT CORRECT?
12:36:37PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THE WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
12:36:42PM >> WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
THE SCOPE THAT WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY, PART OF THAT SCOPE
IS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS ASKED, IS WHAT

HAPPENS IF WE KEEP THE STATUS QUO?
THAT IS PART OF THE SCOPE.
IT'S PART OF WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ANSWER.
THAT IS PART OF THE SCOPE.
SO WE COULD USE EXISTING MONEYS TO DO THAT.
AFTER THIS MEETING WE CAN FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT
WOULD COST AND PROVIDE THAT TO COUNCIL.
IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE LESS THAN THE $800,000.
BUT WITHOUT TALKING TO THEM ABOUT IT, THERE'S NO WAY I CAN
GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE ESTIMATE.
THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
RELATED TO MINIMUM FLOWS LIKE WHAT DO WE DO?
I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED ONE, INTERLOCAL
AGREEMENT WILL BE NO SMALL TASK.
IF WE ARE BUYING MORE WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER HOW IS THAT
GOING TO AFFECT THE BILL?
HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE OUR CONNECTIONS FOR TAMPA BAY
WATER?
WHAT SIZE CONNECTIONS WILL WE NEED, IS WHAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE
ENOUGH?
THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT REQUIRE AN ENGINEERING
LOOK TO ANSWER THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MONEY WILL BE USED FOR.
AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE LEFT.
12:37:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.

12:38:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:38:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK MOTIONS THAT
WOULD INFORM THIS, PLEASE?
12:38:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
12:38:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
12:38:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY
STAFF TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MEET WITH COUNCIL AND
THE PUBLIC TO DEVELOP -- TO TRY TO DEVELOP A REQUEST OF DEP
TO THE CURRENT USAGE, BENEFICIAL USE.
[~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
12:38:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE ARE CURRENTLY DISCHARGING INTO THE
BAY, AND THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO USE IT FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL EFFORTS, TO SAY WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW IS A
BENEFICIAL USE.
SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING ELSE IN THE
FUTURE.
IT WOULD JUST BUY US TIME.
12:39:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. WEBER.
12:39:18PM >> I WOULD JUST BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT IS EXACTLY
WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER BEFORE YOU HAVE ALREADY
MADE THAT COMMITMENT.
WE WORKED WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO DEVELOP THE REQUEST, AND THAT
IS THE REQUEST THAT WE ARE GOING TO CIRCULATE IN ITS FINAL
FORM TO THE STAKEHOLDERS AND TO COUNCIL TO LOOK AT AND

COMMENT ON BEFORE WE SUBMIT TO DEP.
SO WE HAVE ALREADY MADE THAT COMMITMENT.
12:39:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CODIFY IT IN A MOTION,
PLEASE.
12:39:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
12:39:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MADE A SECOND.
12:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON, SECONDED BID COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
12:39:59PM >>THE CLERK:
IS THERE A DATE FOR THAT REPORT TO COME BACK?
12:40:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE A DATE FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN
CARLSON?
12:40:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S NOT A REPORT.
IT'S JUST A REQUEST FOR STAFF TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE
COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL TO SEND A REQUEST TO DEP TO CALL THE
CURRENT USE --
12:40:23PM >> IN DECEMBER?
12:40:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SURE.
BEFORE DECEMBER.
12:40:29PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I JUST WANT TO SAY WE COULD DO THAT SOONER
THAN DECEMBER.
WE WERE ACTUALLY PLANNING TO SHARE THAT LETTER AMONGST THE
STAKEHOLDERS AND THE COUNCIL WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS
WITH THE HOPE OF GETTING THE ANSWER BACK FROM DEP IN
NOVEMBER SUCH AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.

12:40:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:40:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO BECAUSE WE CAN DO IT EARLIER.
12:40:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:41:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:41:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:41:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:41:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:41:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:41:10PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
12:41:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
A MOTION TO REQUEST OR TO ASK THAT STAFF BEGIN WORKING WITH
THE TAMPA BAY WATER BOARD TO DISCUSS MODIFYING THE
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO INCREASE ACCESS TO WATER DURING
DROUGHTS, AND THAT TAMPA BAY WATER CONSIDER CONNECTING US
DIRECTLY TO THE REGIONAL PIPELINE.
12:41:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
12:41:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:41:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION WITH NO END.
YOU HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC IN MY MIND.
WHAT IS HE LOOKING FOR, SIR?

12:42:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IDEALLY --
12:42:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TAMPA BAY WATER PRODUCING ABOUT 180 SOME
MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY AND TAMPA BAY PRODUCES ABOUT
A THIRD, 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND, THE BOARD, TO OPEN UP A CONTRACT LIKE
THAT, I TRIED 3 OR 4 TIMES, AND I HAVE NEVER SUCCEEDED.
SO I AM WILLING TO DO IT THIS TIME AGAIN.
BUT THE CONTRACT, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, NOT THE
WHOLE JACKET, WHICH WOULD RATHER SEE THE WHOLE CONTRACT.
12:42:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE MAIN TWO REASONS
FOR PURE THAT WE ARE GIVEN, ONE WAS MINIMUM FLOWS AND THE
OTHER IS DROUGHT PROOF.
ANOTHER ONE THAT'S OFTEN GIVEN IS SALTWATER INTRUSION IN
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THE SOLUTION TO ALL OF THEM COULD BE TO BUY MORE FROM TAMPA
BAY WATER, AND SO THE REASON, IN THE MODELING, ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY WE DON'T DO THAT IS BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO
MODIFY THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
SO ALL THIS SIMPLY DOES IS STATES A CITY COUNCIL REQUEST OF
STAFF TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION SO THAT WE DON'T WAIT LIKE
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID, MAY TAKE A LONG TIME.
THE REGION I MENTIONED THE REGIONAL PIPELINE IS CURRENTLY
MR. WEBER HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TREATMENT THAT IS
REQUIRED BY MIXING TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES OF WATER, AND TWO
DIFFERENT TREATMENT METHODS IN THE WAY WE ARE CURRENTLY

CONNECTED, AND SO CONNECTING TO REGIONAL PIPELINE MAY STILL
MEAN THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL TREATMENT THAT WOULD BE
REQUIRED.
BUT IT WOULD CONNECT US MORE DIRECTLY TO THE REGIONAL SOURCE
OF WATER, AND WILL INCREASE OUR CAPACITY IF NEEDED.
12:43:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHO IS GOING TO BEAR THE COST OF
CONNECTION?
12:43:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOMETHING WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
BUT -- AS WE TALK ABOUT THE COST, IF WE SPEND $6 BILLION,
THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG COST TO OUR RATE PAYERS WHEN WE
COULD BE NARROWING DOWN FOR 100 YEARS.
THIS WOULD BE BUY ON AN INCREMENTAL BASIS AND HOPEFULLY
TAMPA BAY WATER WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RIGHT IN
CONNECTING US THAT WAY.
12:44:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:44:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:44:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:44:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:44:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:44:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:44:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES PROVIDING WHO WILL SEND THE LETTER?
12:44:42PM >> I WILL SEND THE LETTER.

12:44:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
12:44:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:44:45PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:44:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIRMAN, REAL FAST, MAKE A MOTION TO
ASK THAT TAMPA BAY WATER INCLUDE OUR 50 MGD, ONE OF THE
ALTERNATIVE SOURCES IN THEIR NEXT ALTERNATIVE SOURCES
ANALYSIS.
DO THEY DO A -- IN 2018 WE ASKED THEM TO TAKE IT OUT SO IF
WE ASK THEM TO PUT IT BACK IN, THEN INCLUDE IT AS A REGIONAL
IN A ANALYSIS AND TELL US ALL OF US WHETHER IT'S THE MOST
COST EFFECTIVE SOURCE AND THAT COULD BE PARALLEL FOR OUR OWN
ANALYSIS BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE ANOTHER MACHINE THERE WHERE
IT'S INCLUDED AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS FOR THE REGION.
12:45:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. WEBER.
12:45:34PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
STUDYING AS PART OF PURE AND WE HAVE MADE CONSIDERABLE
PROGRESS ON THAT.
WE HAVE ASKED THEM HOW MUCH MOAN WATER THEY ARE INTERESTED
IN.
THE STAFF OF TAMPA BAY WATER HAS INDICATED 20 MILLION
GALLONS A DAY IS WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN.
THEY INDICATED THAT THE NUMBERS DERIVED FROM THE NEED FOR
THE REGION, THEY DON'T SEE THE NEED TO PURCHASE 50 MGD.
WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST TO THEM TO
GET A RESPONSE IN WRITING.

BUT THE INDICATION THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US OVER THE LAST
REALLY THE LAST YEAR IS THAT 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IS AS
MUCH AS THEY BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PURCHASE.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE INDICATION THAT THEY ARE GIVING US AT
THE STAFF LEVEL.
I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH ASKING IF THEY WOULDN'T MIND
GIVING US SOMETHING IN WRITING AS TO WHAT THEY MIGHT BE
WILLING TO PURCHASE.
12:46:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:46:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:46:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:46:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:46:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:46:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:46:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:46:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:46:46PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:46:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:46:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:47:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET ME TRY.

FILE PW-22-75853, AND FILE NUMBER PW-22-75886, TO DENY IT?
CANCEL IT?
IS THAT THE WORD?
TELL ME WHAT TO SAY.
12:47:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD TAKE THE VOTES SEPARATELY IF YOU
DON'T MIND.
12:47:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
12:47:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, THE DENIAL OF A
RESOLUTION, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S IN THE BUDGET OR NOT,
WHETHER IT NECESSARILY REMOVES IT FROM THE BUDGET.
IT'S JUST A PARTICULAR RESOLUTION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AN
AGREEMENT.
IT'S DENIED BUT IT DOESN'T PREVENT IT FROM BEING BROUGHT
BACK BY THE ADMINISTRATION, SO IF THAT COMES BACK IT'S NOT
NECESSARILY BINDING.
JUST SO YOU KNOW.
SO IF YOU WANT TO DENY IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT JUST WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ARE DENYING THE AMENDMENT TO THE
AGREEMENT, AND THE AGREEMENT STILL EXISTS.
IS THAT CORRECT?
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN AGREEMENT.
12:48:11PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
IT EXISTS BUT IT CANNOT BE SPENT UNLESS THE
COUNCIL APPROVES.
SO THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY CONCERN AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
12:48:18PM >> WE HAVE AN EXISTING CONTRACT, AND THE SCOPE OF THAT

CONTRACT, THE MONEY UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN
APPROPRIATED, SO THAT EXISTS, AND WHAT YOU ARE BEING ASKED
TO ACT ON, POTENTIALLY ACT UPON TODAY, IS AN AMENDMENT TO
THAT CONTRACT, AND POTENTIALLY SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY GOING
INTO THAT CONTRACT.
YOU CAN SAY NO TO THE AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT, AND NO TO
THE ADDITIONAL MONEY GOING TOWARD IT, BUT THE EXISTING
CONTRACT AND THE EXISTING APPROPRIATIONS STANDS.
12:48:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MASSEY, WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
12:48:53PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MORRIS MASSEY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
12:48:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:49:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, AND WHAT MR. MASSEY SAID IT MAKES SENSE.
THE WAY I SEE THIS MOTION, IT'S CITY COUNCIL PUSHING BACK IN
TERMS OF STATING A POSITION, AND WHATNOT.
AND WANTING, I GUESS, SIGNIFICANT OVERHAUL IN THIS ENDS UP
COMING BACK TO US.
THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. MASSEY SAID.
BUT, YEAH, I MEAN, AND IF IT DOES, AND THIS IS SOMETHING
AGAIN THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY BUT IT'S CERTAINLY
INCUMBENT UPON US ALL BUT ESPECIALLY TO THE ADMINISTRATION
TO HOW SHALL I SAY, BUILD A BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER.
THERE YOU GO.
THANK YOU.

12:49:42PM >> SECOND.
12:49:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
5 AND 6 TOGETHER.
MADAM CLERK, AS A DENIAL THEN.
12:49:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO DENY.
12:49:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:50:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO CLARIFY.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I DON'T WANT TO FUND THIS ANYMORE.
TO ME THIS IS IT.
THIS IS DONE. IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE WILL
DEAL WITH IN THE A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE APPROVING ANY MORE FUNDING FOR PURE AS
IT STANDS, AND TO ME, THAT IS CLOSING IT.
I UNDERSTAND LEGALLY IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT TO ME IT'S
A CLOSURE.
12:50:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNSEL?
12:50:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AN EXISTING
CONTRACT.
12:50:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT WHAT I AM SAYING, IN MY VOTE, I AM SAYING NOT ONLY AM I
DENYING THIS, I AM NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY MORE MONEY FOR
IT.
IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE DO SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.

12:51:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
MR. MASSEY, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
12:51:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST MY CLOSURE AND I WON'T SPEAK AGAIN.
THIS IS AN EXISTING CONTRACT.
THE PUBLIC WILL NEVER KNOW ALL THE FACTS IF WITH R IF WE SAY
NO.
AM I RIGHT OR WRONG?
THIS CONTRACT IS STOPPED.
THE PUBLIC WON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE ANSWERS
WE NEED TO SAY "YES" OR "NO."
12:51:33PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
AGAIN THE EXISTING CONTRACT STATES THE
MONEYS IN THAT CONTRACT WILL BE USED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
FOR THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY, INCLUDING THE ONES YOU ADDED,
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:51:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:51:48PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THE AMENDMENT FOR ADDITIONAL MONEYS IS BEING
DENIED.
12:51:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS CONTRACT IS STAYED
AND WE GET THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED, RIGHT?
12:52:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE NOT GIVING THEM ANY MORE MONEY.
12:52:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
THANK YOU.
12:52:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
THANK YOU.

MR. REMER.
MR. BAIRD.
MS. DUNCAN.
MR. WEBER.
YOU WORKED VERY HARD AT THIS, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AS I WAS TOLD, THAT THIS TYPE OF WATER USE WAS NOT POTABLE
RECLAIMED WATER WAS EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE DONE BUILT CITY
OF TAMPA.
HOWEVER, SENATE BILL 64 CAME ALONG AND FORCED OUR HAND.
MADE US RUSH INTO IT.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AGAIN, I HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AND
OVER, AND I WILL KEEP ON SAYING IT, CONTACT YOUR LEGISLATORS
IN TALLAHASSEE AND TELL THEM THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT THEY
ARE DOING TO LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES AND CITIES, BECAUSE OUR
HAND ARE BEING FORCED.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:53:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:53:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:53:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:53:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:53:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:53:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:53:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:53:35PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:53:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE -- NO, WE HAVE ONE.

AND I KNOW IT'S 1:00 NOW.
OKAY.
2:00.
WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 2:00.
(MEETING IN RECESS)

(ROLL CALL)
2:03:33PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:03:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO BE
TAKING AGENDA ITEM 106 FIRST.
2:03:45PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
DEPUTY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
REAL QUICKLY BEFORE STAFF MAKES ITS PRESENTATION, THIS IS
JUST A REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND
MOTIONS THAT COUNCIL MADE AT THE FIRST BUDGET PUBLIC
HEARING.
BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS SUBJECT TO A VERY STRICT PUBLIC
HEARING REQUIREMENT, UNDER STATE LAW, THIS LODE BODY SHOULD
BE TAKING NO ACTION ON THE BUDGET ITSELF AT ALL TODAY.
YOU CAN GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY
MOTIONS MADE, THE ONLY MOTION I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO MAKE,
AND LET ME EXPLAIN THIS REAL QUICKLY, RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU
ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET
ON THE MILLAGE RATE, YOU SCHEDULED IT FOR 5:01 P.M.
WE HAVE ALSO SCHEDULED THE CRA BUDGET HEARING AT 5:01 P.M.
IN CONSULTATION WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE THEY

SUGGESTED THAT WE HAVE TWO DISTINCT TIMES FOR THOSE
HEARINGS.
AND SO WE HAVE ADVERTISED CITY BUDGET HEARING FOR 6:00 P.M.
THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE NOW.
IT'S ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER.
SO THE ONLY MOTION IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE IS A
MOTION TO CONFORM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE ORIGINAL MOTION YOU MADE, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, THE
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:01 P.M., TO SET UP NOW AT
6:00 P.M. CONSISTENT WITH THE ADVERTISEMENTS MADE BY THE
CITY.
OTHER THAN THAT, THERE SHOULD BE NO ACTION TAKEN IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUDGET TODAY.
2:05:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TO CRA FOR CITY BUDGET.
2:05:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:05:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:05:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:05:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:05:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:05:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:05:32PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK AND
CARLSON BEING ABSENT.
2:05:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WOULD BE THE CRA AT 5:01 AND THE CITY

BUDGET AT 6:00 P.M.
2:05:49PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YES, SIR.
2:05:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BEFORE YOU START LET THE RECORD REFLECT
THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WON'T BE JOINING US THIS AFTERNOON.
MR. ROGERO.
2:06:01PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
OF COURSE, AT THE SEPTEMBER 6th FIRST PUBLIC HEARING,
COUNCIL HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE THOSE ANSWERS FOR YOU TODAY.
WE ARE ALSO PREPARED TO DISCUSS OUR OWN EFFORTS WITH
DEPARTMENTS TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL FUNDING AGAIN AS COUNCIL
REQUESTED.
IF I MAY BEGIN ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED, IF I
COULD HAVE THE ELMO UP, PLEASE.
COUNCIL WILL RECALL YOU ASKED FOR A LONGER HISTORY OF OUR
AVAILABLE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE THAN WE HAVE PROVIDED.
WE HAVE TAKEN IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2004, AND QUITE A BIT
OF VARIATION ASSOCIATED WITH PRIMARILY TWO THINGS, THE GREAT
RECESSION, OF COURSE, RIGHT BEFORE WHICH WE HAD REACHED A
HIGH OF 37% IN OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
AND IT'S A GOOD THING WE DID.
A NUMBER OF FACTORS ADVERSELY IMPACTED US DURING AND
FOLLOWING THE GREAT RECESSION.
YOU SEE IN 2010, 37%, ABOUT $140 MILLION, WE HAD AMENDMENT 1

PASSED AT THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL, SEVERELY IMPACTING OUR
REVENUES, COMPELLING US TO LOWER OUR MILLAGE RATE, WE HAD
VALUATION DECREASES ASSOCIATED WITH THE GREAT RECESSION FOR
A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE WE DIDN'T PLANE OUT
IF YOU WILL TO WHAT IS NOW OUR TYPICAL MEASURE TILL ABOUT
2014 OR 24%.
THAT IS THE LEVEL THAT WE REMAIN COMFORTABLE AT.
23, 24, 23, ET CETERA.
IN 2020 AND 2021, AGAIN YOU CAN SEE A SPIKE IN OUR
PERCENTAGES.
28% AND 27%.
ALL THE FEDERAL FUNDING THAT ACCOMPANIED THE COVID PANDEMIC.
MUCH OF IT FOUND ITS WAY INTO THE GENERAL FUND, THE AMERICAN
RESCUE PLAN.
THAT IS A VERY BIG PORTION OF IT.
SO BY DESIGN, OUR FUND BALANCE INCREASED, AND WE ALLOCATED
AND CONTINUED TO ALLOCATE THAT FUNDING, BRINGING DOWN THE
BALANCE TO 24 AND 23% ON THE FAR RIGHT YOU SEE HERE.
SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE EBBS AND FLOWS, AT THE VERY
BEGINNING WE WERE WELL UNDER NOT ONLY OUR TYPICAL PERCENTAGE
NOW, BUT INDEED OUR POLICY OF 20%.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER ABOUT OUR FUND BALANCE
HISTORY?
2:08:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SEEING NONE.
2:08:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.

NEXT, COUNCIL HAD ALSO ASKED ABOUT OUR OUTSTANDING DEBT BY
FISCAL YEAR.
AGAIN YOU ASKED FOR A LONGER HISTORY THAN WE PROVIDED AT THE
SEPTEMBER 6th PUBLIC HEARING.
HERE WE HAVE TAKEN IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2000.
A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE, IF YOU SEE THAT THE GENERAL
GOVERNMENT IN BLUE STAYED PRETTY STEADY FOR ALMOST THE
ENTIRETY OF THIS HISTORY YOU SEE HERE.
IT BEGAN TO GO UP IN FISCAL YEAR 21 AND 22 ESPECIALLY IN
FISCAL YEAR 22, THE HANNA AVENUE PROJECT, STORMWATER BONDS,
AGAIN WILL BE COMING TO YOU LATER WITH SOME MORE STORMWATER
BOND ACTIONS.
AND THE ENTERPRISE FUND, A LITTLE BIT OF UPS AND DOWNS BUT
YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNIFICANT SPIKE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS ASSOCIATED, BUT OVERWHELMINGLY WITH THE PIPES PROGRAM.
ALMOST $800 MILLION WORTH OF ENTERPRISE DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT PROGRAM.
AND AGAIN, MORE TO COME, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
MORE.
CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL HAD ALSO ASKED ABOUT OUR HISTORY OF NEGOTIATED PAY
INCREASES AND OUR INFLATION RATE.
AND YOU SEE THAT HERE FOR ABOUT A 20-YEAR STAND FROM 2002 TO
2021.

AS YOU HEARD THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAY, OVERALL WE HAVE A VERY
GOOD HISTORY OF MEETING OUR LOCAL INFLATION AND OUR
NEGOTIATED INCREASES WITH THE UNIONS.
AND WHEN I SAY OUR LOCAL INFLATION, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS
IS THE TAMPA METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA.
THIS IS NOT THE NATIONAL INFLATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, THE LOCAL INFLATION IS PERCENTAGE
POINTS HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL INFLATION.
I THINK IT'S OVER 11% IN THIS MS HA VERSUS A LITTLE OVER 8%
NATIONALLY.
SO BRINGING IT HOME, HERE IS THE HISTORY OF HOW WE HAVE GONE
HAND IN HAND EACH YEAR WITH NEGOTIATED PAY RAISES.
THE UP SIDE IS TOWARDS THE END YOU CAN SEE OVER THAT IS
CORRECT 20-YEAR PERIOD WE HAVE BEEN ONLY ABOUT A PERCENTAGE
AND A HALF OFF OF WHAT THE CUMULATIVE LOCAL INFLATION WAS
COMPARED TO THE PAY RAISES THAT WE HAVE NEGOTIATED WITH THE
UNION.
OF COURSE, FISCAL YEAR 22, THE RULE BOOK WAS THROWN OUT AND
IT LOOKS LIKE THE RULE BOOK WILL STAY THROWN OUT FOR FISCAL
YEAR 23, AND AGAIN AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET AND
SUBSEQUENT TO OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGENCIES, WE HAVE THE 9.5% FOR THE UNION MEMBERS
AND THEN THE VARIOUS PERCENTAGE FOR THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES
THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
SO A VERY GOOD HISTORY AND WE ARE TRYING TO CONTINUE THAT

HISTORY WITH THESE EXTRAORDINARY NEGOTIATED PERCENTAGES
RIGHT NOW.
CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ABOUT THIS?
2:12:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE CONTINUE.
2:12:04PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE TOOK FROM THE SEPTEMBER
6th MEETING.
AGAIN, COUNCIL HAD ASKED THAT THE RESPONSES IF WE CAN BE PUT
INTO A VISUAL FORMAT.
IT'S USER FRIENDLY FOR THE LAY PERSON AND OF COURSE IT HELPS
US TOO.
IF I CAN NOW SPEAK TO OUR ONGOING EFFORTS WITH THE
DEPARTMENTS IN TRYING TO FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDING AS COUNCIL
REQUESTED.
2:12:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ABSOLUTELY.
2:12:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU.
I HAVE HEARD US SAY BEFORE AND WE'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THIS IS A
VERY, VERY TIGHT RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
THE TOLERANCES HAVE VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT
REPRIORITIZING WHAT'S CONTAINED WITHIN THE RECOMMENDED
BUDGET.
IT'S A TIGHT BUDGET.
A GREAT EXAMPLE AND WE ARE WORKING IT IS THE 5.5 MILLION OF
SOLID WASTE REVENUE REPLACEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMERICAN

RESCUE PLAN ACT.
WE HAVE HEARD COUNCIL'S REPRIORITIZATION OF THAT FUNDING AND
WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR IT IN THE HOUSING CATEGORY.
AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, WE ARE REALLY
ATTACKING IT FROM THREE, MAYBE EVEN FOUR DIFFERENT LEVELS.
THE FIRST LEVEL OF COURSE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE
GENERAL FUND ARE PAY INCREASES AND STAFFING INCREASES.
THAT IS THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF WHAT WE CAN WORK WITH
IN THE GENERAL FUND, AND AGAIN WITH NINE AND A HALF
NEGOTIATED INCREASES FOR THE BARGAINING AGENCIES, AND THE
MANY, MANY ADDITIONAL POSITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER
MAINTAINING SERVICES OR IN SOME INSTANCES EXPANDING
SERVICES.
THAT'S WHERE ANY FUNDING FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE WOULD HAVE TO
COME.
WE DON'T IMAGINE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF HEADWAY IN
THAT REVIEW, BUT WE ARE REVIEWING IT.
ON A RELATED NOTE, THE SECOND LEVEL, THE OPERATING EXPENSE
INCREASES.
AGAIN THESE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SERVICES AND TOUCH THE
PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES, TRANSPORTATION, CONSTRUCTION
SERVICES, FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, AS WE GO THROUGH THOSE
INCREASES FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, WHAT
WILL BE THE IMPACT ON SERVICES?
SOME OF THESE WERE AGAIN TO MAINTAIN EXISTING SERVICES IN

THE FACE OF INCREASING DEMANDS.
SOME OF THEM ARE TO EXPAND EXISTING SERVICES BECAUSE WE HAVE
HEARD THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE HEARD THE PUBLIC.
SO AS WE LOOK THROUGH THERE, AND AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF
THAT OUR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS.
YOU WILL RECALL IN TOTAL WE PUT $30 MILLION IN THE CURRENT
FISCAL YEAR TOWARDS VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS.
WE HAVE IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET ANOTHER ADDITIONAL $30
MILLION.
AS WE DISCUSSED, WE RELY HEAVILY ON THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT
TAX, THE CIT, FOR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS.
WE ARE STILL BEHIND ON VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS FROM THE GREAT
RECESSION, AND OF COURSE THE CIT IS GOING AWAY.
FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, A PLANNING AND FORECAST
PERSPECTIVE IT WILL BE GONE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE DIFFICULT DISCUSSIONS WE ARE HAVING
BEFORE WE BRING YOU OPTIONS FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING ON THE
20th.
FINALLY, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
AS WE DISCUSSED AND WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW IT INTERNALLY AND
DISCUSS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT FACETS WE NEED TO LOOK AT FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, CAN THE REVENUE FOR THOSE PROJECTS BE
USED FOR HOUSING?
OKAY.

A SIGNIFICANT PROPORTION CANNOT, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
SECONDLY, ARE THERE BALANCES IN THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE
FUNDED FROM REVENUES THAT WE CAN APPLY TO HOUSING?
IF THERE'S NO BALANCE, WELL, THAT CAN'T BE CONSIDERED.
THAT OF COURSE HAS LET THE BOND. IF THERE IS A BALANCE THEN
WE NEED TO DECIDE, WHEEL WELL, WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT TAKING
THAT BALANCE HAVE ON THE PROJECT?
WILL IT CRIPPLE THE PROJECT FROM A PERFORMANCE, FROM A GOAL
PERSPECTIVE?
WILL IT REQUIRE THE PROJECT TO BE SPACED OUT OVER TIME, FOR
INSTANCE?
OR CAN IT BE DONE, AND AS WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTS' PROJECT
AND WHERE WE THINK IT WILL END UP, DOES THIS REALLY LOOK
LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE BONA FIDE SURPLUS FUNDING THAT WE CAN
USE ELSEWHERE?
SO AGAIN WE ARE ATTACKING IT FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
LEVELS.
WE HAVE THE FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN SOLID WASTE,
ARPA FUNDING, AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL HAS
REQUESTED.
AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NOW.
WE CAN ALSO COME BACK, OF COURSE, BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND
PUBLIC HEARING.
2:17:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO QUESTIONS REASONING ROGERO THANK YOU,
COUNCIL.

2:17:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
2:17:13PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:17:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANTED, MR. SHELBY, THE DISCUSSION THAT
WEIGHED YESTERDAY REGARDING THE SEPARATE VOTE ON
MODIFICATION OF ANY SALARIES, IT IS YOUR OPINION -- STRIKE
THAT.
THE 6.06 FOR TUESDAY.
THAT'S ALL.
2:17:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY YOUR QUESTION
WAS WHETHER YOU CAN HAVE A SEPARATE VOTE TO HAVE THE PAY
INCREASE?
2:17:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:17:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF A MOTION
IS MADE AND A SECOND IS MADE YOU COULD HAVE A SECOND VOTE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE VOTE ON THE PAY INCREASES --
2:17:56PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT MAY BE
HELPFUL ON THIS QUESTION.
THE BUDGET ITSELF, THE SALARY OF CITY COUNCIL IS THE SAME AS
IT WAS AS IT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN IN THE BUDGET.
THE DOES BUDGET DOES FUNDS LATER IN THE YEAR THAT YOU SHOULD
DETERMINE YOU THINK INCREASE IN SALARY IS APPROPRIATE, THEN
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
RESOLUTION TO ADDRESS THE SALARY WHICH WOULD COME TO COUNCIL
FOR A FULL VOTE.
BUT BY APPROVING THE BUDGET YOU ARE NOT APPROVING AN

INCREASE IN YOUR SALARY.
2:18:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, SIR, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO
HIGHLIGHT.
AND THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY, AND MR. SHELBY, FOR YOUR WORK IN
THAT REGARD.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
2:18:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
INCREASE OF THE FEES TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
2:18:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. GUDES, I AM TRYING TO DIGEST IT.
LET ME FINISH IF I HEARD WHAT YOU SAY, SIR, IS THAT IN A
BUDGET SALARY STAYS THE SAME UNTIL THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO
CHANGE IT, OR MORE THAN LIKELY AFTER THE ELECTION?
2:19:05PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CORRECT.
2:19:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT A COUNTRY.
2:19:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. ROGERO CAN ANSWER THAT.
THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR ALL THE SALARIES LOCATED IN THE BUDGET,
IS IT?
2:19:16PM >> NO.
2:19:18PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE CHARTER REQUIRES -- AND THEN I WILL
LET MR. ROGERO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET.
WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS IN SECTION 6.06 THAT SAYS THAT ANY
ADJUSTMENT IN THE SALARY OF OFFICIALS, WHICH YOU ARE AND THE
MAYOR ARE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE CITY, WOULD REQUIRE A
RESOLUTION OR VOTE, AT LEAST RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND
THEN A MAJORITY VOTE BY THIS BODY IN ORDER TO AFFECT THOSE
CHANGES.

I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED WAS WHETHER THERE WAS,
GIVEN THE DISCUSSION OF A FAIRLY LARGE ESSENTIAL INCREASE IN
THE SALARY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER THAT WOULD BAKE
INTO THE BUDGET.
THAT AMOUNT IS NOT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING -- MONEY IN THE
BUDGET SET HAY SIDE THAT IF AT A LATER TIME YOU DO WANT TO
DO THAT, IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED, BUT OUR CHARTER REQUIRES
THAT THE SALARY OF ALL EMPLOYEES AND OFFICERS BE LISTED IN
THE BUDGET, AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE BUDGET BOOK AND LOOK
AT THE SALARIES, THE SALARY AMOUNT FOR YOU ALL I THINK IS
THE SAME EXCEPT MAYBE A 3% GPI.
THAT MAY BE IN THERE.
SO YOU WOULD VOTE ON IT IF YOU ALL -- IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON
IT THURSDAY, I GUESS THE RESOLUTION COULD BE PREPARED.
2:20:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MAKE A MOTION WE VOTE ON IT THURSDAY.
GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
LET'S GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
2:20:47PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YOU WOULD LIKE THAT --
2:20:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S IN THE BUDGET, THEN WE VOTE ON IT AND
GET IT OUT OF THE WAY AND NOT PLAY GAMES IN A POLITICAL TYPE
OF SITUATION.
2:21:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH THAT.
AND I AM NOT AGAINST RAISES, BUT I AM NOT FOR 42% RAISE. IF
THAT'S IN THE BUDGET, 42%?
2:21:11PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.

IF I CAN CLARIFY.
THE FUNDING THAT IS IN THE CITY COUNCIL DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR
PAY INCREASES IS AS IT IS NOW.
ANY INCREASE WHETHER IT'S THE 3% OR AN OUT OF THE ORDINARY
INCREASE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEING HELD IN A SPECIAL
RESERVE, SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO PURSUE.
2:21:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND WORK TO GET A POT OF MONEY THAT
$72,000 TIMES 7, OR 140 SOME THOUSAND, WHATEVER.
2:21:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
2:21:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I WILL BE VOTING
AGAINST THE WHOLE BUDGET.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:21:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
I'M SORRY, OTHER QUESTIONS?
2:21:51PM >> RELATIVE TO BRINGING FORWARD A RESOLUTION, WE COULD BRING
IT FORWARD ON THAT THURSDAY.
I WILL TELL YOU TYPICALLY THE WAY WE HANDLE CHANGES TO THE
BUDGET, WHICH THIS WOULD BE, IS THAT IF YOU ALL MAKE A
MOTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CHANGE MADE TO THE
BUDGET, THAT'S USUALLY BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL THE VERY
FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED.
THE REASON BEING IS THAT THE BUDGET THAT'S PUBLISHED ONLINE,
WE HAVE A VERY COMPLICATED BUDGET.
I MEAN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S A THOUSAND PAGES PLUS.
SO WHEN YOU START ADJUSTING FIGURES AND LINE ITEMS, IT'S

VERY DIFFICULT TO DO ON THE FLY, SO WE TYPICALLY APPROVE THE
BUDGET AS IS AND THEN WE BRING FORWARD AT THE VERY NEXT
MEETING ANY CHANGES THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE
BUDGET.
2:22:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO MR. MASSEY, WE CAN MAKE THAT MOTION
TODAY OR --
2:22:42PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY WOULD MAYBE WANT TO
SAVE THAT FOR THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
2:22:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE THE
MOTION AND GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND LET'S NOT PLAY
POLITICS WITH IT.
2:22:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FORGIVE ME AGAIN.
I DIDN'T GET MY E-MAILS FROM MY INTERNET UNTIL TUESDAY
AFTERNOON.
AND I AM CURIOUS AS TO HOW IT WOULD BE PHRASED, BECAUSE IS
IT SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION --
2:23:17PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I GUESS WHAT I AM HEARING, THE DECISION
WOULD BE DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THE BUDGET SO THERE'S NO MONEY
IN YOUR FUND AVAILABLE FOR ANY INCREASE THIS CALENDAR YEAR?
IF NOT, THEN YOU WOULD LEAVE THE BUDGET THAT WAY, AND THEN
YOU COULD CONSIDER POTENTIALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU
COULD POTENTIALLY CONSIDER INCREASE LATER.
2:23:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME ASK YOU, IF IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET
NOW, HOW WOULD IT OTHERWISE GET INTO THE BUDGET?
2:23:44PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THERE'S FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE CITY

COUNCIL BUDGET FOR FUTURE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS, BUT THE SALARY
THAT'S BEING APPROVED IS EXACTLY THE SAME SALARY, AS
APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET, THERE'S NO CHANGE --
2:23:56PM >> A SEPARATE LINE THEN FOR THAT MONEY?
2:23:59PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YES.
2:24:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
2:24:03PM >> IT'S SITTING IN A TRUE RESERVE SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A
FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
IT WOULD REQUIRE A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION TO MOVE THE FUNDING
FROM A SPECIAL RESERVE TO A PERSONNEL -- TO THE PERSONNEL
SECTIONS.
2:24:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN DO THAT ON THURSDAY.
[OFF MICROPHONE]
TOLD BY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, THE ADMINISTRATION CAN DEAL
WITH IT BY RESEARCHING ALL OTHER CITIES, AND IT'S COME BACK
THAT WE ARE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
AGAIN, YOU DON'T KNOW, ANYBODY WANTS TO DO WITH THEIR MONEY
IS FINE BUT I THINK WEE IT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH.
2:25:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:25:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NEITHER DO I.
I'M SORRY THE PUBLIC HAD TO LISTEN DO ALL OF THIS.
I KNOW YOU HAVE THINGS ON THE CALENDAR TO DO.
IT'S NOT -- I AM NOT AGAINST RAISES.
BUT WHEN YOU GIVE SOMEBODY, WHAT IS IT, 42% INCREASE,
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.

AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CITIES, BECAUSE
I KNOW THAT ST. PETE, ORLANDO AND MIAMI ARE COMPARABLE TO
WHAT WE PAY.
I THINK ONE AT 58, ONE AT 62.
SO THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS
WHAT WE ARE DOING.
WE ARE GIVING OURSELVES A RAISE OF 42%, WHICH NOBODY GETS,
NONE.
THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
2:25:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CLARIFY.
THAT WE ARE NOT GIVING OURSELVES.
WE ARE VOTING ON THAT.
2:25:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
2:25:51PM >> I'LL VOTE AGAINST IT.
2:25:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF?
2:25:57PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WE DID ANALYSIS AS MR. ROGERO AND MR.
MASSEY SAID.
THERE'S MONEY IN THE PERSONNEL BUDGET, BUT NOT IN YOUR
BUDGET FOR AN INCREASE.
IDEALLY, ON TUESDAY, IF THERE IS A SEPARATE VOTE, I THINK
THERE'S FOUR OPTIONS TO CONSIDER.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE CLARITY.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE

ANALYSIS THAT WE GAVE, AS ONE OPTION.
YOU CAN ALTER THAT AS A SECOND OPTION, MEANING INSTEAD OF
THIS PERCENTAGE, IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE.
YOU COULD DENY THE INCREASE COMPLETELY, OR YOU COULD DELAY
THE INCREASE AND STILL ADJUST THE NUMBER.
SO THE POINT IS, WE DID AN ANALYSIS, WE PUT IT IN THERE.
IT IS NOT IN YOUR BUDGET TODAY, IT'S NOT IN THERE TODAY.
IF YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET AS IS, AS CHIEF ROGERO SAID, IT
WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO BRING IT IN.
IT'S SIMPLY A PLACEHOLDER BASED ON THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID,
THAT WE THOUGHT WAS FAIR AND EQUITABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO
YOUR OWN.
WE HAD TO DO IT FOR YOU IN RESPONSE TO THE ECONOMY, AND SO
IT CAN BE DECIDED TO DELAY IT, TO THIN IT DOWN, TO DENY IT,
OR TO ACCEPT IT.
AND THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS THAT I SEE FOR COUNCIL.
AND IF YOU JUST STICK WITH THE BUDGET, IT COULD JUST BE YES
OR NO.
OR DELAY, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THROTTLE IT DOWN FROM THE 42%
TO SOMETHING MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING ON
TODAY.
THAT'S FINE.
THAT WAS NOT A RAISE.
THAT WAS A MARKET ANALYSIS.
I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

YOU HAVE A MARKET ANALYSIS AND YOU HAVE AN INCREASE.
THE EMPHASIS HAS BEEN BUDGETED FOR THIS LEVEL OF THE
ORGANIZATION, THE ELECTIVES WAS 3% WHICH WILL TAKE EFFECT ON
MAY 1.
SO THE ONLY REAL INCREASE WAS THE 3%.
THE MARKET ANALYSIS WAS DONE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE
WORK THAT WE DID, AND WE JUST PUT THAT PLACEHOLDER IN THE
RESERVES.
AGAIN IT CAN BE DENIED, IT CAN BE MODIFIED, IT CAN BE
DELAYED, COMPLETELY, OR IT COULD BE ACCEPTED.
SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS I SEE ON TUESDAY.
THANK YOU.
2:27:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO WE GET ON WITH CITY BUSINESS.
THANK YOU.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:28:12PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:28:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ON TUESDAY.
AS I SAID, LET'S GET ON TO CITY BUSINESS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
S SHALL WE OPEN 7 AND 8 TOGETHER?
2:28:29PM >> YES.
2:28:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 7 AND 8 WHICH WILL BE T-22-771994
AND T-22-77214.
2:28:39PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'M HERE WITH APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT THAT PROVIDES FOR
GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, SOUTHEAST REGION.
THE PROJECT AMOUNT IS 55.3 MILLION TO KIMMINS CONTRACTING
CORPORATION.
THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF CONSTRUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 10,000
LINEAR FEET OF BOX CULVERT, PIPES, LATERALS, INLETS, AND
CONNECTIONS, AND A REGIONAL POND.
AND IT INCLUDES PASSIVE PARK AMENITIES, INCLUDING A TRAIL,
AND ASSOCIATED UTILITY CONSTRUCTION, AND ALSO INCLUDES 3.8
MILLION IN WATER LINE REPLACEMENT.
THE EBO SUBCONTRACT GOAL AS CALCULATED BY THE CITY'S GOAL
COMMITTEE IS 8%, FOR UNDERUTILIZED WMBE AND SLBE COMBINED.
THAT BREAKDOWN IS 4 PERCENT BBE, AND 4% SLBE.
HOWEVER, KIMMINS HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO EXCEED THAT GOAL,
AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN.
I DO HAVE JOHN SAMINA HERE WITH KIMMINS WHO IS THEIR VICE
PRESIDENT, AND VIRTUALLY, I HAVE GREGORY HART HERE FOR
SUPPORT IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS IN EITHER OF THOSE AREAS,
CONSTRUCTION AND EBO.
YOU ALL HAVE BEEN BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY BY VIK BHIDE.
FINALLY, COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS ASKED ME TO WALK THROUGH HOW
THE GOAL WAS CALCULATED.
AND I AM PREPARED TO DO THAT AT THE PLEASURE OF CITY
COUNCIL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

2:30:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES?
2:30:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, PLEASE, BECAUSE AGAIN WHEN I LOOK AT
THESE DOLLAR NUMBERS, AND I ALWAYS SAY, LET US BE THE ONE
THAT ASKS.
I KNOW THERE'S A STRATEGY USED BUT WE SHOULD BE ASKING WHAT
WE WANT AND THEN LET THOSE CONTRACTS APPLY TO BE ABLE TO
MESH WITH WHAT WE REALLY WANT.
HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT WITH THAT 8%, I GUESS SOME
MATERIALS AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE JUST CAN'T DO, IF WE JUST
CAN'T MEET THAT.
BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT WHY WE
COULDN'T HAVE A HIGHER EXPECTATION.
2:31:13PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I AM VERY GLAD THAT YOU ASKED US TO DO THAT,
BECAUSE IT'S A VERY DETAILED AND A LOT OF WORK THAT OUR
STAFFS GO THROUGH BOTH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION STAFF, THE
USER DEPARTMENT STAFF, AND THE ECO STAFF, TO PULL THIS ALL
TOGETHER AND TO SET THAT GOAL.
I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, BUT IT STARTS WITH THE USER
DEPARTMENT, AND IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE MOBILITY OR THE
STORMWATER SECTION OF MOBILITY WOULD PREPARE WHAT'S CALLED A
PROJECT TASK WORK SHEET, AND THEY WILL WORK WITH THE
ENGINEERS AS PART OF THE DESIGN BUILD TEAM TO BREAK DOWN
THOSE TASKS.
AND THEY WILL BREAK THEM DOWN INTO TASKS THAT THE PRIME

CONTRACTOR PERFORMS, AND THEN TASKS THAT ARE
SUBCONTRACTABLE, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, ONCE THAT'S VETTED
BY BOTH THE ENGINEERING GROUPS, THAT IS TURNED OVER TO
GREGORY HART'S EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY OFFICE.
AND HIS STAFF WILL GO THROUGH AND DETERMINE THE AVAILABILITY
OF CERTAIN EBO FIRMS IN THOSE CATEGORIES.
FIRMS THAT ARE READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO WORK.
AND HE DID THAT LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, AND EVEN BREAKS IT
DOWN INTO AVAILABILITY OF UNDERUTILIZED, AVAILABILITY OF
SLBEs, AND THEN AVAILABILITY OF WMBEs THAT ARE
NON-UNDERUTILIZED.
SO HE COVERS THE WHOLE GAMUT.
I WOULD LIKE TO READ OFF THOSE SUBCONTRACTING OPPORTUNITIES
THAT WERE USED IN THIS PROJECT.
THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM, BUT INCLUDE PUBLIC OUTREACH,
CALLING, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAYS, BRICK PAVER
DRIVEWAYS, CONCRETE CURB, SURVEY, MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC,
ASPHALT PAVING, SIGNING AND PAVING, STRIPING, PIPE SUPPLY,
TESTING, LANDSCAPING, AND SOD.
AND SO THEY GO THROUGH THAT.
THEY CALCULATE THE GOAL.
THEN THEY HAVE SEVERAL THINGS AT THE END THAT THEY CAN USE
FOR ADJUSTMENTS, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE FINAL THING TO THAT END,
AND THAT IS THIS IS LARGE CONCRETE CULVERT THAT IS

NECESSARY.
I SAY IT ALMOST TWO MILES WORTH.
THAT IS A BIG PART OF THIS PROJECT.
THOSE PRICES HAVE GONE UP, BY THE WAY, ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE
LARGE BOX CULVERTS.
AND THAT IS ONE ITEM THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE
THROUGH THE BLACK BUSINESS ENTERPRISE THAT PROVIDE PIPE
SUPPLY.
I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, THAT ON KIMMINS IS CONFIDENT THEY
CAN EXCEED THIS GOAL FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
SOME OF THE WATER WORK IS OPEN CUT WITH DUCTAL IRON PIPE,
AND THAT PIPE IS BEING PROPOSED THROUGH ONE OF THOSE FIRMS.
AND THEN, ALSO, THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE RECENT DISCUSSIONS
WITH THOSE FIRMS TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE CONCRETE STRUCTURES,
NOT THE CULVERTS BUT THE STRUCTURES.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CONFIDENT THEY CAN GET DOUBLE
DIGITS, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVE DOUBLE DIGITS.
AND WITH THAT I WILL STOP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
2:34:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:34:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THE DESCRIPTION, THE
PRESENTATION.
I APPRECIATE IT.
I KNOW THE FOLKS SOUTH OF GANDY ARE GOING TO APPRECIATE THIS
PROJECT WHEN IT'S DONE.
BUT I OH WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE

SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON NOW AND
THE TROUBLE WE HAVE HAD WITH IT.
AND I AM HOPING THAT WE ARE LEARNING FROM WHAT HAPPENED
THERE, AND I'M TELLING YOU NOW THAT IF YOU THINK SOUTHEAST
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, IF YOU HAVE SEEN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IS LOUD,
JUST WAIT TILL SOUTH OF GANDY HAS ISSUES.
SO I AM REALLY HOPING THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM WHAT WENT ON TO
HAVE MORE ROBUST COMMUNICATION, PERSONAL COMMUNICATION, A
LOT MORE COMMUNICATION, AND THIS THAT WE REALLY FOCUS ON
TRASH, ON THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS, WITH
THE PUBLIC, AND THE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP, BUT
MAINLY COMMUNICATION, THE MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT
HAPPENS, THAT RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, BECAUSE THIS
IS GOING TO IMPACT THEM FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I KNOW THAT WE WILL ALL BE HAPPY WHEN IT'S OVER, BUT THEY
STILL HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH IT.
2:36:19PM >> YES, MA'AM.
2:36:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I NOT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BUT I WANT TO
REITERATE IT ON THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE WE ARE LEARNING
FROM THOSE AREAS.
SO I WILL BE LOOKING FOR UPDATES ON THAT, AND I WILL ALSO BE
ASKING THE FOLKS SOUTH OF GANDY HOW THEIR EXPERIENCE IS
GOING.
SO WE WILL STAY ON TOP OF THAT THE WAY WE ARE STAYING ON TOP
OF THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.

2:36:38PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT.
I CAN GUARANTEE THAT KIMMINS HAS A VERY ROBUST PLAN, AND
THEY HAVE BEEN KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT OTHER PROJECT, TOO, TO
MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, A REPEAT OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS
ADOPT HAPPEN.
2:36:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING TO SEE, SO THANK YOU.
2:36:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:37:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS IS A DIFFERENT CONTRACT.
THIS IS NOT THE -- THIS STARTS WITH A K AND ATHLETES ONE
OTHER ONE THAT DOES GREAT WORK, STARTS WITH A V.
DO FANTASTIC WORK.
THE OTHER ONE CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
2:37:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M GLAD TO SEE, KIM ANYONE'S MY
EXPERIENCE, JOHN IS IN THE CROWD, BUT -- THAT WAS A MAJOR
PROJECT.
JOHN PICKED UP THE PHONE EVERY SINGLE TIME, WAS RESPONSIVE
WITHIN 30 MINUTES, AN HOUR.
WHEN I SAY RESPONSIVE, I AM GOING TO BE OUT ON THE SITE, I
AM GOING TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE MET OUT THERE, WE
MET WITH NEIGHBORS, AND WE HAD TO BE WORKING TOGETHER, WE
TRY TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE.
IN MY OPINION HAS ALWAYS DONE EXCELLENT WORK AND THAT'S WITH
ONE ON ONE, LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE, LOOKING AT THE
BOX CULVERT, TALKING TO JOHN.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW.
I CAN'T COMPLAIN.
A MAJOR PROJECT WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY COMPLAINTS BUT HE
WAS VERY, VERY RESPONSIVE, AND THINGS WORKED OUT.
THANK YOU.
2:38:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
LET'S JUMP ON IT.
WE HAVE CITY WORK TO DO.
2:38:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE SHARED THIS IN OUR INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS
BUT APPROVAL OF THIS AGREEMENT DOES INCORPORATE ABOUT $TAKE
MILLION WORTH OF DEBT SERVICE THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING TO
COUNCIL ALONG WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS THAT WE
TALKED ABOUT, 25 MILLION, AND TO BEGIN WORK, EXPEDITE THIS
AND GET PAID BACK FROM THE DEBT SERVICE.
THANK YOU.
2:38:52PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:39:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHICH ONE?
2:39:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE IT.
2:39:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:39:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:39:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:39:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:39:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.

2:39:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:39:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:39:19PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:39:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.
FILE CM 22-75389.
2:39:29PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
YOU ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE LETTER, THE RESIDENTS RECEIVED
FOR TIMBERFALLS TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS ANY VIOLATION OF
LAWS.
I CAN ONLY COMMENT ON ANY VIOLATIONS OF CITY CODE.
THERE ARE NO CITY CODE ORDINANCES THAT COVER THE REQUIRED
NOTICES BY A LANDLORD FOR COLLECTION, BACK RENT AND/OR
EVICTION.
THAT IS COVERED BY FLORIDA STATE STATUTE CHAPTER 83.
THERE IS A PROVISION THAT PROVIDES FOR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE
THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT NOTICE, BUT THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT A COURT WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER THE
REQUIREMENTS WERE MET I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING WITH BAY AREA LEGAL ABOUT THAT PILOT PROGRAM WE HAVE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE TENANTS
COULD TAKE.
THIS DOES HAVE APPORTION FOR LANDLORD TENANT ISSUES.
I WILL COMING BEFORE YOU WITH THAT AGREEMENT.
2:40:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK MS. JOHNS.
WE SPOKE ON IT EARLIER THIS MORNING.

SO IT WOULD APPEAR THAT NO CITY ORDINANCES WERE VIOLATED, TO
LOOK TO SEE IF WE HAVE THE LEGAL CAPACITY TO DRAFT A CITY
ORDINANCE THAT WOULD DEAL WITH IT, AND I WILL MAKE A FORMAL
MOTION, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A MOTION?
THANK YOU, SIR, I APPRECIATE IT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE LEGAL COME BACK WITH US ON THE
FEASIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD -- LET'S SEE, HOW
SHALL I PLACE IT -- AN ORDINANCE DEALING WITH SITUATIONS
WHERE TENANTS ARE POTENTIALLY BEING EVICTED FOR ALLEGED ACTS
THAT ARE SIX MONTHS OLD, SIX MONTHS OR OLDER, BACK DUE,
WHICH THEY HAD NO IDEA OF, ET CETERA.
THAT'S MY MOTION.
I KNOW THAT WE MAY RUN INTO SOME ISSUES WITH FLORIDA
STATUTES ON LANDLORDS SO WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT
AT LEAST LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT AND HAVE THAT COME
BACK DECEMBER -- IS THAT ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU?
OKAY, THE FIRST WEEK IN DECEMBER, IF I MAY.
THAT'S MY MOTION.
BUT BEFORE I FORMALLY PUT THAT OUT THERE, I KNOW THAT ON
MONDAY, SO I KEPT IN TOUCH OBVIOUSLY WITH THE TIMBERFALLS
FOLKS AND MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS RESIDENTS, WE HAVE BEEN OUT
THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN 19
OPEN CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES.
SO OVER TIMBERFALLS.
SO MY MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE

SUBSTANDARD IS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS
WHENEVER IT COMES TO TAKING A LOOK AT CODE ENFORCEMENT
CHALLENGES IN SOME OF THESE APARTMENT AREAS, ET CETERA.
I AM GOING OUT AGAIN ON MONDAY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I HAVE LET CITY STAFF KNOW.
I LET MANAGEMENT AT TIMBERFALLS KNOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO WORK
ON THEM TO DO BETTER.
SO, YES, THAT'S MY MOTION.
2:42:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
MR. VIERA, COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION?
2:42:54PM >> IT WAS CONVOLUTED, SO MY MOTION ESSENTIALLY ASKS FOR
LEGAL TO SEE THE FEASIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD
PROVIDE PROTECTIONS FOR TENANTS THAT ARE SEEKING TO BE
EVICTED BY LAND OWNERS FOR DEBTS THAT ARE SIX MONTHS OR
OLDER.
KIND OF LIKE WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT ALLEGEDLY IS HAPPENING
HERE.
WHAT PROTECTIONS THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN PROVIDE TENANTS IN
SUCH SITUATIONS WHERE THEY ARE SEEKING TO BE EVICTED FOR
DEBTS THAT ARE SIX MONTHS OR OLDER.
AND IT'S ON THE FEASIBILITY OF IT IF AN ORDINANCE CAN BE
CRAFTED SO IT'S NOT TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE, COME
BACK WITH A REPORT ON THE FEASIBILITY OF IT.
2:43:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
RENT FOR SIX MONTHS?
ARE WE SAYING A DEBT FOR SIX MONTHS, THAT THEY DON'T KNOW

ABOUT?
2:43:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT COULD BE EITHER ONE. IN THIS PARTICULAR
SITUATION ACCORDING TO THE TENANTS THERE WERE MANY DEBTS
THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, THINGS THAT SECTION WILL 8 DIDN'T
BAY FOR, A CHARITY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, CATHOLIC CHARITY,
LUTHERAN, DIDN'T PAY FOR, SO DEBTS THAT ARE SIX MONTHS OR
MORE.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I THINK OUT LOUD.
THANK YOU.
2:44:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
2:44:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I AM STAYING OUT OF THAT FRAY RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT AND IT ENDS AND YOU HAVE
A NEW CONTRACT, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY.
SO THE NEW CONTRACT, 3 OR 4 OR $500 MORE, THEY DON'T PAY IT,
THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THE MONEYS THAT WE ARE GIVING FOR THEM TO STAY THERE, I
APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
I'M SURE THEY DO, TOO.
BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE IT'S GOING TO END.
THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
2:44:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE.
AND MINE GOES TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE CERTAIN SITUATIONS
WHERE THIRD PARTY ENTITIES, SECTION 8, DIFFERENT OTHER
ENTITIES, ARE PAYING PEOPLE'S RENT AND THEY DIDN'T NOT THAT
SECTION 8, FOR EXAMPLE, MAY BE BEHIND AND IT'S SIX, SEVEN

MONTHS OLD AND THEN THEY ARE SUDDENLY DUE FOR IT.
SO THAT'S THE POTENTIAL SITUATION.
I DOUBT WE CAN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S FLORIDA STATUTE
935.411 ON CONTRACTS, DEBTS, ET CETERA, AND AGAIN LOOK INTO
IT IF THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF PROTECTION, WITHOUT INTERFERING
WITH PRIVATE CONTRACTS OR FLORIDA STATUTES THAT PREEMPT
THIS, SOME SORT OF PROTECTION.
I'M NOT OPTIMISTIC BUT SOMETHING.
2:45:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
2:45:28PM >>THE CLERK:
WHEN?
2:45:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FIRST WEEK OF MAY.
2:45:36PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
2:45:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APPRECIATE IT.
2:45:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, CM 22-76856.
2:46:01PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS THE AGREEMENT
WITH THE RUSSO BROTHERS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE HIT FACTORY
ACADEMY.
THEIR CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH FAP, WHICH -- A FACILITY USE
PERMIT.
THIS IS A PERMIT THAT WE UTILIZED WITH ORGANIZATIONS THAT

HAVE SPORTS LEAGUES OUTSIDE OF LITTLE LEAGUES.
OUR TRADITIONAL LITTLE LEAGUES USE FUA, FACILITY USE
AGREEMENT, WHICH IS MORE INCLUSIVITY TO THAT FACILITY,
VERSUS A FUP WHICH IS SCHEDULED WITH CITY DEPARTMENT OF
PARKS AND REC TO UTILIZE THAT FACILITY.
SO A LITTLE LEAGUE TRANSITION FROM A LITTLE LEAGUE.
THEY ARE NO LONGER A LITTLE LEAGUE.
THEY HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THERE THAT UTILIZE THAT FACILITY.
SO WE TRANSITIONED THE PERMIT THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR IT.
2:46:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:46:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHEN WAS THAT PERMIT TRANSITION?
WAS IT UNDER THE PREVIOUS STYLE WHERE THEY HAD ESSENTIALLY
ALL ACCESS TO NOW SOMEONE UNLOCKS THE GATE, OPEN TO
CLUBHOUSE KIND OF THING?
2:47:15PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
CORRECT.
WE WERE -- THE AUDIT CAME BACK THAT THERE WAS NO LONGER A
LITTLE LEAGUE OPERATING.
IT WAS A BASEBALL ACADEMY.
COVID HIT IN 2020 SO THINGS SHUT DOWN.
IN 21 WE PUT THEM ON A PERMIT.
WE RENEWED IT IN 22 OF THIS YEAR.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND YEAR.
THEY ARE STILL CURRENTLY ON IT.
STILL ABLE TO USE LITTLE LEAGUE BUT THAT'S WHERE THE
TRANSACTION ACTUALLY STARTED, 21 WITH A NEW CONTRACT.

2:47:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT THEY ARE ON A SCHEDULE.
LIKE IT'S RAINED AND THEY WANT TO GET INSIDE THE CLUBHOUSE,
THEY HAVE LIKE A TWO-STORY FACILITY ON-SITE, THEY HAVE TO
WAIT FOR SOMEBODY IN PARKS AND REC TO OPEN IT UP OR PARKS
AND REC CAN SAY SORRY, SUNRISE TO SUNSET OR NINE TO FIVE,
AND IT'S 5:01.
SORRY, WE ARE CLOSED FOR THE DAY.
WHAT'S THE SITUATION THEN?
2:48:06PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
TRADITIONALLY IF THERE'S A RAIN-OUT, LIKE
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, GO BACK TO YOUR CAR, WHATEVER.
BUT IN THIS CASE, YES, SO WE OPEN AND CLOSE IT.
YOU ARE SCHEDULED TO USE THE FIELD.
THEY ARE ONE OF 70 ORGANIZATIONS WE PERMIT TO UTILIZE UNDER
THE FUP FOR PERMITS.
SO YES, IF THEY ARE THERE, IF THERE'S SOMEONE THERE TO OPEN
IT, WE CAN OPEN IT AND HAVE THEM GO IN THERE.
IF NOT, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, RETREAT
BACK TO YOUR VEHICLE FOR SAFETY.
2:48:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, I'LL STOP THERE FOR NOW.
2:48:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:48:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE USER AGREEMENTS FOR
MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND I TALK ABOUT A LOT OF ISSUES THAT TRANSITION WITH YOUTH
SPORTS, RECREATION, ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH FOOTBALL.
A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT FOOTBALL.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF FOR-PROFIT PROGRAMS GETTING THE SAME
INCENTIVES AS NON-PROFIT PROGRAMS.
BECAUSE FOR-PROFIT PROGRAMS, THAT'S WHERE YOUTH SPORTS HAS
KIND OF CHANGED, ELITE PROGRAMS THAT ARE MAKING MONEY.
AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE TRYING TO GET FACILITIES
AND GETTING THE SAME TYPE AGREEMENTS AS THE NON-PROFITS
BECAUSE THE NON-PROFITS ARE THE COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE NOT PICKING AND CHOOSING.
THEY ARE NOT CHARGING FEES.
AND FOR-PROFIT, THEY ARE CHARGING A FEE AT THE GATE, WHEREAS
NONPROFITS CANNOT CHARGE FEES AT THE GATE, DONATIONS, TO
OPERATE THEIR PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATION FOR
ALL THE COUNTY, CITIES GET TOGETHER.
THOSE PROGRAMS ARE FAILING OR HAVE ISSUES CAN HAVE A
COMMISSION THAT CAN HELP THEM, AND MONEY CAN BE GENERATED TO
HELP THESE NONPROFIT PROGRAMS.
I'M FOR YOUTH SPORTS ALL DAY LONG.
BUT I AM NOT FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS GETTING THE SAME TYPE
OF BENEFIT AS NONPROFITS BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING A PROFIT
VERSUS BEING ABLE TO HELP ALL OF GENERAL COMMUNITY IN THAT
AREA.
I HAVE EXPERIENCE ON THIS.
I DEALT IT WITH A LOT OF YOUTH PROGRAMS AND LLC, YOU KNOW, I
HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE NONPROFIT, YOU SHOULD BE GAINING AND
GETTING KID RIGHT THERE, NOT TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE
BACKS OF KIDS OR PAYING COACHES TO COACH.
VOLUNTEERS ARE VOLUNTEERS.
SO FOR ME, I KNOW SOME OF THE BACKGROUND, PLANT HIGH SCHOOL,
GREAT GUYS, NOTICE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU
TALK ABOUT INCENTIVES, I'M NOT FOR FOR-PROFITS GETTING THE
SAME TYPE INCENTIVES.
CLUBS INDICATOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF KID.
BUT AGAIN HELPING BUT MAKING SURE THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPE
OF INCENTIVES.
2:50:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:50:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
LET'S GO BACK A LITTLE BIT IN HISTORY.
WHEN I PLAYED AT CASCADES PARK, BY THE WAY THAT PARK IS THE
ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW HAS TWO INDIVIDUALS IN THE BASEBALL
HALL OF FAME, TONY LOOK RUSA AND AL LOPEZ, MAYBE THE ONLY
TWO IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE HALL OF FAME, WHO KNOWS?
BUT THERE WAS NO -- IT WAS CITY LEAGUE, AND THE CITY
COULDN'T WAIT TO GET RID OF THEIR CULTURES AND GET RID OF
THE PEOPLE, AND THAT WAS -- AND ANDREW SPOLITO DID THE
MALES.
WE LEARNED BECAUSE WE WERE TAUGHT AND WE LOOKED AND WE HAD
TO EMULATE WHAT THEY TAUGHT US BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MANY
KIDS THAT WE COULDN'T GET PROPERLY ORGANIZED.

ORGANIZATION WE HAD, BUT COMMITMENT TO TEACHING HOW TO THROW
A CURVE, HOW TO THROW A KNUCKLEBALL, THAT WAS GONE.
YOU HAD TO LEARN IT ON YOURSELF.
YOU ARE SMILING BECAUSE YOU ARE ON MY LIST.
AND THE NEXT THING IS, LITTLE LEAGUE CAME ON.
LITTLE LEAGUE FLOURISHED FOR MANY YEARS, BUT NOW IT'S
FLUTTERING DOWN, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME ANYTIME YOU WANT
FROM WHAT I SEE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IN LITTLE LEAGUE NOW, THE OLD
BASEBALL, YOU HAVE TO BE IN YOUR BAG UNTIL YOU ARE 14 YEARS
OLD, AND YOU CAN'T STEEL SECOND UNTIL THE SECOND THE CATCHER
CATCHES THE BALL. IT'S ANTIQUATED.
IT'S NOT THE REAL BASEBALL.
FROM WHAT SEE -- AND I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS A FACT BUT FROM
WHAT I SEE, LIKE WHEN I DRIVE TO GO TO MY FAVORITE PLACE,
WALMART, AND I GO WEST -- I SEE IT VACANT MOST OF THE TIME.
I DON'T THINK THEY GOT 100 KIDS THERE.
IN WEST TAMPA ONE TIME THEY HAD 6 OR 7 OR 800 KIDS, 7 OR 8
12-YEAR-OLDS PLAYING. I THINK THEY GOT ONE.
I CAN GET VERIFY THIS BY GETTING MY INFORMATION.
IN FACT SOME OF THE KIDS THAT WENT THERE, I KNOW I TALKED TO
THEM THE OTHER DAY, HOW ARE YOU GIRLS DOING IN WEST TAMPA?
SHE SAID THEY ARE NOT IN WEST TAMPA ANYMORE.
WHERE ARE THEY AT? THEY ARE AT THE HIT FACTORY.
PARENTS ARE THE ONES DRIVING THIS THING.

AND THERE'S A NEED.
AND THE NEED GOES AWAY.
BUT WHEN EVERY PARENT IN AMERICA THINKS THEIR DAUGHTER OR
SON ARE GOING TO BE PROFESSIONAL IN BASKETBALL OR TENNIS OR
FOOTBALL, THEY THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE IT.
MY FATHER TOLD ME I WAS TERRIBLE.
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T MAKE IT. BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL
YOU IS ALL THESE PARENTS WANT SOMEBODY TO BABY-SIT, BUT THEY
DON'T WANT TO GO TO A LITTLE LEAGUE.
THEY WANT SOMEBODY GETTING PAID.
THAT'S WHAT THE DEAL IS.
AS FAR AS I SEE, EVEN WHEN YOU GO IN SOME LITTLE LEAGUE THEY
STILL SEND THE KIDS SOMEWHERE FOR PRACTICE BY SOMEBODY WHO
IS A PROFESSIONAL.
LET ME SAME THIS BEFORE MR. RUSSO IS HERE.
PAUL WAS ONE OF MY CATCHERS.
I'M NOT HERE BECAUSE OF PAUL.
I'M NOT HERE -- I TALK ABOUT THE FACTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT
CONTRACT THEY HAD.
I NEVER READ IT.
BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR, THERE IS SOME INDIVIDUAL FROM THE PARK
THAT OPENED THE GATE AND CLOSES THE GATE AND STAYS THERE AND
GETS PAID FOR THEM TO WATCH THE PRACTICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT.
SO MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE SAYING IT.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
IT WASN'T FROM MR. RUSSO.
SO WHAT IS IT ABOUT?
IT'S ABOUT THE KIDS BEING AT SOMEPLACE, FOR SOME PERIOD OF
TIME, TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT?
WHEN YOU PLAY SPORTS, IT'S NOT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE A
PROFESSIONAL, IT'S THAT YOU LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH OTHERS,
AND YOU LEARN ABOUT WINNING, AND YOU LEARN ABOUT LOSING.
AND WHAT MAKES A WINNER IS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO
LOSE.
WHAT MAKES A GREAT EMPLOYEE IS SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO BE
BETTER THAN THE ONE NEXT TO THEM.
AND LIFE TEACHES YOU ABOUT SPORTS.
NO WONDER I LOST SO MANY BASEBALL GAMES.
SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU IS THAT IN LIFE IT'S WHO YOU
HANG OUT WITH.
DON'T TELL ME WHO YOU ARE, TELL ME WHO YOU HANG AROUND WITH
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE.
AND THAT STILL GOES TO THIS DAY.
WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IT'S ABOUT ALL THE KIDS THAT ARE
THERE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS ORGANIZATION -- YOU SAID 70 OF THESE.
I DON'T KNOW.
WHATEVER.
LET'S SAY THEY ALL VANISH TOMORROW.

WHERE ARE THE KIDS GOING, TO THE STREET?
THEY ARE NOT GOING BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.
THEIR PARENTS ARE TELLING THEM, YOU ARE GOING TO BE A STAR.
MAYBE ONE IN 10,000 MAKES IT.
THAT'S A FACT.
HE MADE IT.
IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF ME.
BECAUSE HE WAS A BETTER PLAYER THAN THE REST OF THEM.
I HAD MANY GO TO THE MAJORS FROM THERE AND WEST TAMPA, ONE
GUY PLAYED FOR THE YANKEES FOR FIVE YEARS.
BUT IT WASN'T BECAUSE I COACHED THEM.
HE WAS ALREADY A STAR.
I JUST SAID, GO HOME, THROW A FAST BALL.
THAT'S ALL I TOLD THE KID.
BECAUSE IN TODAY'S LIFE, THE PARENTS SEE THE GRANDEST THING,
AND GOD BLESS THEM THAT THEY DO.
AND GOD BLESS THEM THAT THEY SEND THEM TO THE UNIVERSITY.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU -- I AM GOING TO HAVE THEM COME UP AND
I AM GOING TO ASK THEM SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT
PROGRAM PRODUCE, IN SCHOLARSHIPS FOR KIDS?
THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT NOWHERE ELSE, NOT EVEN A
COLLEGE EDUCATION.
HOW MANY KIDS WENT TO COLLEGE?
HOW MANY KIDS GOT A SCHOLARSHIP?

THEIR RETURN ON THE DOLLAR IS SO MUCH GREATER THAN WHAT WE
THINK.
AND I AM NOT HERE TO CHASTISE THE DEPARTMENT.
I AM NOT DOING THAT.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A MUCH GREATER
PICTURE.
I CAN TELL YOU A YEAR AGO, I WENT TO LEFT FIELD, RIGHT
CENTER FIELD FENCE IN THE PARK WAS FALLING DOWN.
THE PLACE WAS IN HORRIBLE CONDITION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MAINTENANCE, THE SIDEWALK WAS ALL
RIPPED UP.
I HAD TEN YEARS OF SERVICE THERE.
IT WAS THE TEN BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE.
IN FACT, TWO KIDS GAVE ME A LOT OF GRIEF AND WHEN THEY WERE
GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY THAT I WAS NOT GOING TO GET IN THE WAY,
I WILL TEACH THEM WHAT I KNEW, AND I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO GET
HURT.
ONE OF THEM NOW IS THE CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE CITY OF MIAMI,
AND THE OTHER ONE IS A BIG GUY IN THE BROKER IN THE REAL
ESTATE BUSINESS.
AND I'M SO PROUD OF THEM, AND THEY TURNED OUT TO BE GREAT
CITIZENS, NOT BECAUSE OF ME BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE AROUND
OTHER KIDS THAT WOULD TEACH THEM, AND I TOLD THEM IN THE
BEGINNING, THEY ARE FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF YOU, DON'T GET HURT.
IF YOU HEAR SOMEBODY SAY, STOP, DON'T RUN THEM OVER BECAUSE

THEY ARE MUCH STRONGER THAN YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO INSTILL IN THEM.
WINNING IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S FOR EVERYONE.
BECAUSE IF YOU GET UP AND YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE GOT TO DO,
YOU WILL BECOME A QUITTER.
NOT SITTING DOWN.
ALL THESE 70 ORGANIZATIONS, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER
69 -- PUT IN THE KIDS' HEADS THAT YOU JUST CAN'T DO WITH THE
"L" BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE "W." BUT TRY TO ERASE THE L.
IT'S ABOUT LIFE.
IT AIN'T ABOUT JUST SPORTS.
IT'S ABOUT LIFE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND HAVE A NICE DAY.
2:58:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:58:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. HILLS, ABOUT HOW THEY DRESS, HOW THEY
TEACH KIDS.
MY MOTTO ON THAT.
MY CONCERN IS, AGAIN, AND IF IT'S OPEN SPACE, LET'S UTILIZE
INCENTIVES. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE INCENTIVES ARE FOR
NONPROFIT OR PROFIT.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SAME, BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING PAID,
AND VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME, YOU KNOW.
I KNOW NONEXEMPT CLAUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE GOT A LITTLE EXTRA ON THE DOLLAR SO THEY CAN AFFORD
TO BE ABLE TO PLAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE INCENTIVES.
THAT'S MY BIGGEST ISSUE.
2:59:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND THAT REMINDS ME, WHEN YOU SAY FOR
PROFIT OR NONPROFIT, EVEN IF THE LITTLE LEAGUE, YOU ARE
REQUIRED TO WORK SO MANY HOURS ON THE CONCESSION THING, THEN
THE FIELD, YOU HAVE SO MANY THINGS YOU HAVE GOT TO DO.
AND NOW, WHAT I AM SAYING IS, ALL THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE A
CONSIDERATION.
AND IF MR. RUSSO CAN BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHAT YOU DO, I
AM HERE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
2:59:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU ASKING FOR MR. RUSSO?
MR. RUSSO, CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP?
2:59:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD LIKE MS. HILLS FIRST TO TALK ABOUT
IT.
2:59:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD.
3:00:02PM >> I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE QUESTION, SIR?
WHAT IS THE QUESTION, SIR? I'M SORRY.
3:00:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SAID WHAT [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
3:00:15PM >> LIKE THE LITTLE LEAGUE COMPARED TO AN ACADEMY
ORGANIZATION.
SO WITH THE LITTLE LEAGUE, SIR, THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT
FIELD, SO THEY HAVE THE FIRST PRIORITY, FIRST RIGHT TO
REFUSAL.

WE HAVE OTHER TRAVEL BALL ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO PRACTICE AT
LITTLE LEAGUES BUT THEY HAVE TO OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE
LITTLE LEAGUE SCHEDULE, OKAY.
SO THEIR PRACTICES, THEIR GAMES COME FIRST, AND THEN THE
ACADEMY OR SPORTS COME SECOND.
THE LITTLE LEAGUES, WE PAY THEIR UTILITIES, COVER ALL THOSE
EXPENSES.
LITTLE LEAGUE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR IN FIELDS.
[~DISTORTION~] WE DO INSIST THAT ACADEMY ORGANIZATIONS, FOR
PROFITS, WE DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE, WE BEING THE CITY.
SO WE DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE.
WE STILL PAY THE UTILITIES.
WE MAINTAIN ALL OF THAT.
THAT ORGANIZATION ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS COME IN, PRACTICE,
AND WALK OUT.
AND COMPARED TO ALMOST LIKE A REC CENTER VERSUS IT'S OUR
AGREEMENT WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WHEN THEY HAVE A
FACILITY, THEY MAINTAIN EVERYTHING VERSUS SOMEONE WHO COMES
IN, WANTS TO RENT THE FACILITY FOR A DAY, WE UNLOCK THE
DOOR, LET YOU KNOW, COME BACK.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF IT.
THE LITTLE LEAGUES THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE FACILITIES.
BUT THEY DO MAINTAIN, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THEIR VOLUNTEER
HOURS, THEIR SERVICES, THAT'S DONE AS WELL.
3:01:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. RUSSO?

3:01:57PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND COUNCIL FOR
ALLOWING ME TO COME AND SPEAK.
THERE WERE SOME THINGS SAID WERE TRUE.
OUR COFFEES JUST LIKE THE YMCA IS A NONPROFIT AND THEY PAY
THEIR EMPLOYEES.
IN 2015, [~AUDIO CUTS OUT~]
TAKE OVER -- LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL HAD NOT BEEN AT
WELLSWOOD SINCE THE EARLY 90s.
EARLY 90s.
SO WE DIDN'T TAKE OVER TILL 2015.
THE EARLY 90s LITTLE LEAGUE LEFT WELLSWOOD, IT BECAME PONY
BASEBALL.
A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.
IT HAD NO CHARTER WHATSOEVER.
SO WE CAME TO, MR. MIRANDA, MY BROTHER AND I, SAID THERE
WERE 30 KIDS THAT REGISTERED THAT HAD NO PLACE TO GO.
CAN PAT AND I TAKE OVER TO THE FACILITY.
WE WOULD MAKE THOSE -- AND THEN I WOULD CALL ALL THE TRAVEL
ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THAT I KNEW TO COME PLAY AT WELLSWOOD
[~AUDIO CUTS OUT~]
SINCE 2015, WE SAVED CITY OF TAMPA OVER $250,000.
MY BROTHER AND I HIT FACTORY AND PUT THAT MONEY INTO A
FACILITY THROUGH RENTING OF THE FIELDS AND FULL MAINTENANCE
OF THE FACILITY.
NOT ONE THING HAS BEEN DONE TO WELLSWOOD FIELDS FROM THE

CITY OF TAMPA PARK AND RECREATIONS FOR 30 YEARS.
I KNOW BECAUSE I PLAYED THERE AT SIX YEARS OLD FOR MR.
MIRANDA. EVERYTHING DONE AT THAT COMPLEX, FROM REPLACING
GRASS, REPLACING CLAY, ALL THE CUTTING OF THE GRASS, WE HAVE
DONE FROM 2015. OUR DOLLARS.
[INDISCERNIBLE]
WE HAVE DONE SINCE 2015.
AND A LOT OF OUR DOLLARS COME IN FROM DONATIONS, 501(C)3, AN
ANNUAL GOLF TOURNAMENT, ANNUAL POKER NIGHT -- WE HAVE 20 TO
25 OF OUR CHILDREN THAT PLAY FOR US ARE ON SCHOLARSHIP,
BECAUSE A CHILD CAN'T AFFORD IT.
WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR A LIVING.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED, PLAYED AT WELLSWOOD, PLAYED AT WEST
TAMPA, PLAYED AT THE POOREST LITTLE LEAGUE IN TAMPA AT THE
TIME, RIVERSIDE LITTLE LEAGUE, WHICH IS NOW THE YELLOW
JACKETS PARK.
[~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
I PLAYED AT UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA FOR THREE YEARS, ALL
AMERICAN, PLAYED PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL FOR ELEVEN SEASONS
WITH THE TWINS, PADRES AND ASTROS.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY BACKGROUND OF BASEBALL COMES.
AND SINCE 1990, THE WE HAVE GIVEN FREE BASEBALL CLINICS TO
ANYBODY, POOR KIDS, RICH KIDS, DOESN'T MATTER, FREE.
WE HAVE DONE COACHING CLINICS AT DIFFERENT LITTLE LEAGUES.
AND THEN RIGHT AS COVID HIT, THEY DIDN'T RENEW THE CONTRACT.

SO WE HAD OVER 100 KIDS FOR THREE YEARS IN A ROW PROMOTING
BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID THAT AREN'T TRUE
BECAUSE THE BIGGEST SOFTBALL ORGANIZATION IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA IS RUN BY PARKS AND RECREATION, AND IT'S CALLED
TEAM TAMPA -- [~AUDIO CUTS OUT~] AND THEY HAVE THE BEST
FACILITY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I KNOW I PASSED OUT A BOOK FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS BOOKLET, THERE ARE NO CHANGES AT
WELLSWOOD FOR 30 YEARS DESPITE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT OUR
ORGANIZATION HAS PUT INTO IT AND THE MAINTENANCE WE HAVE
DONE.
NOW WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE A SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN, WHICH
IS A HALF A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE BALLPARK.
WE HAVE 8 TO 10 KIDS THAT PLAY FOR OUR ORGANIZATION FROM
TRINITY.
SO THOSE KIDS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO DAYCARE.
THEIR PARENTS WORK TILL LATE.
WE GET EARLY, MY BROTHER AND -- THOSE KIDS HAVE A SAFE HAVEN
TO BE AT.
THEY OH WOULD COME UPPER WAS US, DO THEIR HOMEWORK, SIT
DOWN, RELAX, BUT THEY HAVE SAFE -- FOR NO CHARGE.
AND WE GAVE THEM THE ABILITY FOR R FOR A SAFE PLACE.
NOW THOSE CHILDREN HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.
I TALKED TO A COUPLE OF PARENTS AND THEY SIT AT THE BOWLING

ALLEY FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS BEFORE THEY CAN GET TO THE
BALLPARK FOR PRACTICE.
WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IN SEVERAL CITY MEETINGS, I'M SORRY, PARK
& REC MEETINGS, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THE
UPSTAIRS AND THE CONCESSION STAND.
NOW THE CONCESSION STAND HAS BEEN CLOSED.
WE HAVE AT LEAST $30,000 WORTH OF CONCESSION EQUIPMENT JUST
SITTING THERE ROTTING A WAY.
[~AUDIO CUTS OUT~] WE DID THAT FOR THE LAST -- YEARS.
SINCE WE HAVE BEEN AT THE BALLPARK, TAKING CARE OF THE
FIELD, THE FIELD ARE ALREADY OVERGROWN, THEY ALREADY HAVE
LIPS ON THE BACK, THEY HAVE GRASS GROWING OVER, BECAUSE IT'S
NOT CARED FOR THE WAY WE WOULD CARE FOR IT.
ON A REGULAR DAY, MY BROTHER -- AND WELLSWOOD COMMUNITY TWO
BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE FIELD.
11:00 IN THE MORNING, HE WOULD WATER AND DRAG ALL THE
FIELDS.
IF THEY NEEDED TO BE TRIMMED WE DO THAT.
GO HOME, DO WHATEVER, AND AT 3:00 WE WOULD BE BACK AT THE
PARK FOR THOSE WHO COME FROM TRINITY.
TREMENDOUS WORK FOR TRINITY SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN.
TRINITY FOR CHILDREN, THIS AGREEMENT WHERE THEIR TEAMS COME
PLAY ON THE FIELD AT WELLSWOOD AND PAY PARK AND RECREATION
FOR THE RIGHT TO USE THE FIELD.
NOW, THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT DOES NOT PAY FOR THE

MAINTENANCE OF THOSE FIELD.
WE TAKE CARE OF IT.
THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT DIDN'T PAY FOR THE NEW CLAY OR ALL
THE MATERIALS THAT NEEDED TO BE ON THE FIELD.
WE PAID FOR THAT.
PARK AND RECREATION GOT -- AND WE DID ALL THE WORK.
WALK INTO THE FACILITY NOW, WALKED TO THE FACILITY AND THEY
SAW IT.
AND THEY WERE CUTTING THE GRASS THAT DAY BUT THEY COULDN'T
WALK THROUGH THE FIELD BECAUSE THE GRASS WAS TOO HIGH.
PITCHERS COULDN'T USE THE BULLPENS BECAUSE THE GRASS WAS TOO
HIGH AND NOT TAKEN CARE OF TO THE LEVEL OF THAT WE TOOK CARE
OF THE FIELD.
THAT'S ALL WE ARE SAYING.
LISTEN, IF THEY WANT TO CUT THE GRASS, WE CUT THE GRASS.
WE REALLY NEEDED USE OF THE UPSTAIRS FACILITY AND THE
CONCESSION STAND.
THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WE HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY IS
UNBELIEVABLE, MR. EMPANATA AND SANDWICH SHOP.
SO RESPECTFULLY I REQUEST IF WE COULD HAVE A PRIVATE MEETING
TO COVER MORE OF THIS, I WOULD TRULY APPRECIATE IT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MS. HILLS OR MS. ERICSON.
I THINK THEY ARE WONDERFUL WOMEN AND DO A GREAT JOB.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESOLVE IT ESPECIALLY FOR THE KIDS
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES --

3:10:58PM >> MS. HILLS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT?
3:11:04PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
NO, I MEAN WE CAN ABSOLUTELY SIT DOWN AND
TALK ABOUT IT.
WE GO BACK 20 YEARS.
AND HE'S RIGHT, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS WHAT [~AUDIO
DISTORTION~] AND I WILL KEEP SAYING THIS, THE AGREEMENT
THAT'S WITH THEM IS CONSISTENT WITH SAME ORGANIZATIONS THAT
ARE JUST LIKE THEM, WITH THE OTHER 69 ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE
HAVE.
THAT IS OUR BIGGEST THING, TO ENSURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT,
AND WE DO WANT ACCESS FOR ALL THE SAME GOALS, SO EVERYONE
HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY, THAT'S OUR GOAL WITH PARKS AND REC.
BUT REALLY OUR GOAL IS MAKING SURE THAT HAPPENS.
BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I KNOW HE REQUESTED TO MEET SEPARATELY.
3:11:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M THINKING OF HOW TO SOLVE IT AND THE
ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS MAYBE MS. HILLS CAN GET AN
APPOINTMENT WITH CHIEF OF STAFF AND PAUL RUSSO AND THEY WORK
IT OUT.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.
WE DON'T DO CONTRACTS.
WE EITHER APPROVE THEM OR REJECT THEM.
I AM GOING TO MEET YOU, THE LADY IN THE BACK AND YOU AND I
ARE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE GAME.
AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN.

3:12:18PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
YOU ARE THE SECOND CITY PERSON THIS WEEK,
I WILL TAKE YOUR LUNCH MONEY.
I TOLD SOMEBODY THIS EARLIER.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE AGE.
3:12:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF IT'S ONLY LUNCH.
3:12:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:12:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE AGREEMENT IS QUINT WITH THE OTHER
69 ORGANIZATIONS.
BUT DO THEY PUT IN THE SAME INVESTMENT AS MR. RUSSO SAID, A
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP AND
EVERYTHING ELSE?
THE CITY MAINTAINING THESE FIELD, BECAUSE TAKING THE [~AUDIO
DISTORTION~] AND PUTTING IT TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS
WORK.
3:13:16PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
THERE'S ALSO ORGANIZATION THAT CURRENTLY
LITTLE LEAGUE MAINTAINS -- SOME OF THE FIELD IT ALL DEPENDS
ON LOCATION.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FIELDS, SO SOME OF THESE
ORGANIZATIONS ARE AT THE LITTLE LEAGUES, WHICH HE'S RIGHT,
THE LITTLE LEAGUES DO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN.
SO THESE ARE PROFITING FROM LITTLE LEAGUES THAT -- [~AUDIO
DISTORTION~]
3:13:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION
THE AGREEMENT THAT PEOPLE HAVE ARE THEY GO IN, THE FIELD,
THEY GO HOME, AND THEN THE CITY TAKES CARE OF IT.

NOW, IT IS SAID THAT WE MAINTAIN SOME, OTHERS MAINTAIN THEIR
OWN, THIS AND THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE, BUT THEY
ARE OFFERING BEFORE SCHOOL, AFTER SCHOOL SERVICES, WHATEVER
IT IS, BUT STUDENTS ARE COMING IN, THEY ARE BEING ABLE TO
USE STUDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE PARENTS THAT ARE ABLE TO PICK
THEM UP BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING, WE ARE KEEPING THEM OUT OF
TROUBLE ESSENTIALLY, OFF THE STREETS, AND KEEPING THEM
OCCUPIED.
BUT AS MR. MIRANDA MENTIONED, YOU, JOHN BENNETT, WHOEVER
ELSE HAS A MEETING WITH MR. RUSSO, MR. RUSSO'S BROTHER AND
TRY TO RESOLVE THIS.
I SEE IT AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, NOT TO BE TREAT THEM
DIFFERENTLY, BUT THE INVESTMENT THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING FOR SO
MANY YEARS.
AND TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS, BECAUSE AGAIN THEY ARE USING THAT
FUNDING, I THINK MAKES THEM UNIQUE, ALSO THE 6969 OTHER
INDIVIDUALS.
ALL RIGHT.
3:15:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE LAST TIME.
3:15:09PM >> DEMAND GUDES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
3:15:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. RUSSO SAID THE LEAGUE WAS A LITTLE
LEAGUE A LONG TIME, AND I REMEMBER THAT WELL.
BECAUSE A GREAT PLACE TO PLAY AT.
AND LITTLE LEAGUE PROGRAM, THEM, THE BOY SCOUTS AND ONE

OTHER.
BUT SINCE THEY ARE A NONPROFIT, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO VERIFY
THEY ARE A NONPROFIT, I DON'T KNOW IF BE THE TAKEOVER COULD
BE BECAUSE THEY ARE A NONPROFIT NOW, BUT I LOOK AT WHAT IS
NONPROFIT IS DOING, AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHALLENGE I HAVE.
3:16:05PM >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OVER ANYTHING.
I HAVE KNOWN HER SINCE I WAS YOUNG.
I AM NOW OLD.
SO I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HER.
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HEATHER.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WONDERFUL WORKING AGREEMENT WITH
THEM.
WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER.
WE ARE IN IT FOR KIDS.
I UNDERSTAND.
I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
I AM NOT HERE TO GET RICH.
I PLAYED BASEBALL FOR ELEVEN YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN RETIRED LONGER THAN I PLAYED.
AND IT GAVE ME A GOOD LIFE.
BASEBALL GAVE ME A GOOD LIFE I.WANT MY DREAM FOR THE KIDS
THAT I COACH, BOYS AND GIRLS, BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THE THINGS THAT I DID.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY SON IS A HEAD COACH NOW AT TAMPA CATHOLIC.

HE PLAYED HERE.
HE WAS ALSO A PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER FOR THE
WASHINGTON NATIONALS.
I AM GOING TO BE A GRANDFATHER I FOUND OUT, BABY BOY ON THE
WAY.
BUT WE WERE PLAYING AT THE YANKEE COMPLEX, AND MY GOAL FOR
OUR KIDS IS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PLAY ON THOSE TYPE OF
FIELDS.
IF YOU GO TO PINELLAS COUNTY AND LOOK AT THOSE FIELDS, AND
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO PROVIDE FOR THESE KID.
I DON'T CARE IF THEY PLAY PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL.
I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
3:17:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. RUSSO, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SOME OF
THOSE PEOPLE HAVE 1:30 APPOINTMENTS.
3:17:48PM >> OH, I KNOW, I KNOW.
3:17:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH PARKS
AND RECREATION.
YOU ALL NEED TO GET TOGETHER.
3:17:57PM >> YES, SIR.
3:17:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:18:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE THE GIRLS SOFTBALL TEAM TO WIN
THE -- AND THE OTHER SIDE, WEST TAMPA, THE BOYS WON IT ONE
YEAR, I FORGET WHAT YEAR IT WAS, AND GIRLS, I BELIEVE.
THEY WON.
3:18:17PM >> WE WILL GET TOGETHER.

3:18:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND THE TEAM THAT MR. RUSSO PLAYED FOR,
THE ONLY TEAM WOULD BE WEST TAMPA, AND URSULA'S TEAM, IN ONE
YEAR.
AND WE BEAT THEM BOTH, 3-2.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
3:18:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.
3:18:36PM >> APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
3:18:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.
FILE CM 22-73220 TO BE HEARD WITH AGENDA ITEM 14, CM
22-73825.
3:18:50PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
YOU ASKED US TO COME BACK AND REPORT ON DIRECTORS INSURANCE
REGARDING LOCAL GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC OFFICIAL LIABILITY
INSURANCE, AND ANY OPTIONS OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED QUALIFIED AND UNITY OR
ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE
THAT IF COUNCIL IS SUED AS A BODY BECAUSE OF A VOTE THAT YOU
TOOK, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY FROM THAT.
SO IF YOU GET SUED, THAT WILL BE DISMISSED BASED ON THE
IMMUNITY.
IF YOU GET SUED AS AN INDIVIDUAL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY RARE,
BUT IF YOU GET SUED AS AN INDIVIDUAL, THE CITY POLICY TRACKS
WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN FLORIDA DO.
SO THE CITY DECIDES -- THE CITY CAN REIMBURSE YOU, AND THEY

DECIDE THAT BASED ON WHETHER IT BE ALLEGED ACTION OCCURRED
DURING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE OFFICIAL DUTY AND OCCURRED
WHILE THE OFFICIAL WAS SERVING A PUSH PURPOSE, AND THE
OFFICIAL PREVAILED IN THE LITIGATION.
SO IN THAT INSTANCE, ACROSS FLORIDA, YOU SEE THAT IS WHEN A
CITY REIMBURSES FOR THE LEGAL FEES.
IT'S A GENERAL FLORIDA RULE THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT
PROVIDE A LEGAL DEFENSE FOR PAID OUTSIDE COUNCIL AT THE
ON-SET OF THE LITIGATION, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE AT THE
BEGINNING OF LITIGATION WHETHER THOSE FUNDS ARE MET.
I KNOW WE ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT BUT I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT
THERE AGAIN TO CLARIFY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, ASK THAT FIRST.
3:20:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. JOHNS?
3:20:45PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
WE HAVE OUR INSURANCE BROKER ALL THE WAY
FROM TEXAS WHO NEEDS TO GET ON A PLANE.
3:20:54PM >> MY NAME IS VALERIE HORTON RICE.
I AM THE CITY'S RISK MANAGER.
GOOD TO SEE EACH OF YOU.
WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SESSIONS WITH YOU SO THAT WE
CAN GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
AND VERY QUICKLY, WE ARE GETTING READY TO ENTER INTO OUR
INSURANCE RENEWAL.
IT IS A LONG PROCESS, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING READY TO DO
THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING

AT WAYS TO LOWER OUR SIR.
THAT SELF-INSURANCE RETENTION.
AND OUR BROKER IS HERE.
HER NAME IS TRACY HARLOW.
SHE WILL STEP UP FOR A MINUTE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER.
DURING THAT PROCESS WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO GET QUOTES
AND BE ABLE TO BRING THAT INFORMATION AND SHARE IT WITH YOU.
AND I WILL PAUSE TO ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME AT
THIS MOMENT.
3:21:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:21:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK YOU HEARD SOME OF OUR CONCERNS, SO
I AM HOPING TO BRING THAT BACK.
3:21:59PM >> ABSOLUTELY. AND A FOOTNOTE TO THAT IS WE ARE AT THE
MERCY OF THE INSURANCE MARKET, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY DO
THAT, AND BASED ON THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THUS FAR, I
HAVE TALKED WITH EACH OF YOU EXCEPT FOR ONE, AND SO I DO
HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR FRUSTRATIONS,
AND THAT INFORMATION WILL BE USED AS WE DO OUR RENEWAL FOR
THE UPCOMING YEAR.
3:22:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
3:22:23PM >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK WITH OUR BROKER?
3:22:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DOES SHE HAVE INFORMATION?
3:22:36PM >> I THINK WHAT THEY PROVIDED TO YOU.
REALLY WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT INSURANCE, I HEAR

YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEDUCTIBLE AND RETENTION.
THE POLICY AND CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFERENT.
THEY ARE STILL GOING TO PROVIDE BASICALLY THE SAME COVERAGE
AS YOU ARE SEEING.
THEY ARE JUST GOING TO -- THE COVERAGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE
IN THE POLICY MAY HAVE A LOWER DEDUCTIBLE.
3:22:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
3:22:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I ASSUME THAT FROM WHAT I HEARD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A VERY
DIFFERENT TEXT, WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD TO BE, THE CITY WOULD
PROVIDE COVERAGE FROM THEIR LEGAL STAFF, IF ONE OF THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR COUNCIL MEMBERS IN GENERAL, GET SUED BY
AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY.
AM I CORRECT?
3:23:27PM >> YES, I THINK SO.
IF YOU GET SUED AS COUNCIL PERFORMING A COUNCIL FUNCTION,
THEN YES.
3:23:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOW GETTING TO THE OTHER PART.
HOWEVER, IF WE COMMIT AN ACT -- OR I COMMIT AN ACT, AND I'M
TOLD YOU HAVE TO DO A, B AND C, AND I DON'T, THEN YOU ARE
GOING TO TELL ME, I AM NOT GOING TO REPRESENT YOU.
AM I CORRECT?
3:23:52PM >> WELL, IT DEPENDS WHAT A, B AND C ARE.
IF IT'S CLEAR FROM THE ALLEGED ACT OR THE COMPLAINT THAT YOU
WERE PERFORMING YOUR OFFICIAL DUTIES --

3:24:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RIGHT.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS, THEN YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO TELL
ME, YOU HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY, IF YOU WIN WE ARE GOING TO
PAY YOUR ATTORNEY.
AM I CORRECT?
3:24:16PM >> IF YOU WIN AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT YOU WERE ACTING IN
YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND FURTHERING A PUBLIC PURPOSE, YES.
3:24:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO IN OTHER WORDS --
3:24:26PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
LET ME CLARIFY.
I DON'T WANT TO STATE THAT IN A VACUUM.
OF COURSE IT DEPENDS ON THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES.
3:24:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I GUESS I AM THE PRODUCT OF I WAS RAISED
IF YOU DO SOMETHING WRONG, ME, NO ONE ELSE, IT'S UP TO YOU
TO PAY FOR IT.
MY FATHER TOLD ME THAT.
MY MOTHER TOLD ME THAT.
MY WHOLE FAMILY TOLD ME THAT.
BECAUSE WHEN THEY RAISE, EVERYBODY RAISES YOU, NOT ONLY YOUR
MOTHER AND FATHER WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, WHERE THERE'S A
DIFFERENT PRESSURE ON YOU NOT TO MESS UP.
I HAD TO CHANGE THE WORD MESS UP.
I WAS GOING TO USE SOMETHING ELSE BUT I DIDN'T.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:25:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:25:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CIRCUMSTANCES THE CIRCUMSTANCES COME INTO

PLAY, THAT HAPPENS, AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT
SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT GO AWRY AND THINGS THAT
HAPPEN, AND YOU HAVE TO FIGHT ON YOUR OWN.
SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S ANOTHER SITUATION AS WELL.
3:25:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
3:25:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AGAIN MY THING IS MAKING SURE YOU DON'T
HAVE PERSONAL PEOPLE MAKING THEIR PERMANENT DECISIONS AND
MAKING A DECISION AND MAKING PERSONAL FACTORS COME INTO
PLAY.
THAT'S MY CONCERN.
3:25:44PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
IS THAT IT?
3:25:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MR. SHELBY.
3:25:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THIS IS MY DAY TWO OF DAY THREE OF ME BEING BACK AND I
WASN'T PRIVILEGE I TO THE CONVERSATION FOR THE PREVIOUS
ITEM.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT COUNCIL MET.
IT IS RELEVANT TO MINE AND I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK TO OUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE
QUESTION IS WHAT MS. JOHNS SAID, IF THAT'S RELATED TO THE
DECISION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY PRESENTLY WITH REGARD TO THAT,
AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN AN
ISSUE REGARDING REIMBURSEMENT MYSELF, WHICH CREATES ANOTHER
ISSUE.

SO COUNCIL, IT'S A LONG AGENDA BUT I AM GOING TO ASK YOUR
INDULGENCE IF YOU CAN CONTINUE THIS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO
BE ABLE TO CATCH UP BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD IS A LOT
OF WHAT I WOULD HAVE SAID.
SO WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE LAW IS.
3:26:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHEN DO YOU WANT IT TO?
3:26:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU WANT TO COME BACK, MR. SHELBY?
OCTOBER?
3:26:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE 6th?
3:27:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT WOULD GIVE YOU SUFFICIENT TIME, MR.
SHELBY?
3:27:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY -- I'LL TAKE THE 20th AND THAT WILL BE IT,
SIR.
3:27:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MOVE.
3:27:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE ITEM 13, 14 FOR OCTOBER 20 AT
1:30.
3:27:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR OUR RECORD.
3:27:29PM >> RISK MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ARE GOING INTO RENEWAL, AND WE WON'T REALLY HAVE ANY
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING.
OUR RENEWAL COSTS US, WE WILL BEGIN TO GET QUOTES AROUND
FEBRUARY, EARLY MARCH, AND SO COMING BACK IN OCTOBER WE
WOULD HAVE NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

3:27:51PM >> IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL TOGETHER UNLESS YOU WANT TO SET A
SEPARATE DATE FOR IT OR THEY CAN COME BACK.
3:27:58PM >> ONCE WE GET THE INFORMATION.
3:27:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:28:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE THAT WE JUST -- WE JUST DO NUMBER 14,
THAT WE FORWARD THAT, AND A THEN ALLOW NUMBER 13 TO COME
BACK WHEN THEY HAVE AN ANSWER.
3:28:16PM >> WE ABSOLUTELY WILL DO THAT.
AND THAT IS DUE IN THE RENEWAL PROCESS AND BRING ALL THE
QUOTES AND INFORMATION TO YOU SO THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO REVIEW
IT TO DETERMINE WHAT IT COVERS AND THE ACTUAL COST.
3:28:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO OCTOBER 20th AT 1:30 FOR ITEM NUMBER 14.
3:28:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES HAVE IT TO BE 1:30?
3:28:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, 1:30 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
3:28:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ALREADY HAVE ONE MOTION, COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA'S.
3:28:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY.
3:28:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE 20th.
THAT'S NUMBER 14.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NOW WE HAVE A MOTION COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR NUMBER 13.
3:29:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
13 IS DONE.

3:29:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK.
3:29:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
THEY ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD.
3:29:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU MAKE A MOTION.
3:29:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, SORRY.
MY FAULT.
3:29:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15.
FILE CM 22-75288.
3:29:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I GUESS I AM NOT PRIVY TO DISCUSSION.
I SPOKE WITH MR. MASSEY ABOUT IT VERY BRIEFLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS AT THIS TIME, OR YOU
CAN CONTINUE IT BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU.
SO IT'S YOUR PLEASURE BUT I AM HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT COUNCIL
HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.
BUT IT'S LATE, AND IF COUNCIL WISHES TO CONTINUE IT --
3:29:48PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:29:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UM, TO ME, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT COULD BE
DEALT WITH UNDER THE SEPTEMBER 22ND WORKSHOP SESSION,
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS ACTUALLY KIND OF DEALS WITH THE
CHARTER AND OUR STAFFING.
3:30:07PM >> I WOULD AGREE.
3:30:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT -- OH, YES, HERE
IT IS.
COUNCIL, THIS IS CHARTER AMENDMENTS, IN ADDITION, GIVE CITY

COUNCIL THE RIGHT TO HIRE STAFF AND CONSULTANT SUBJECT TO
APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR.
SO LET'S COMBINE THIS.
3:30:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVE TO COMBINE ITEM 15 WITH NEXT
WEEK'S WORKSHOP.
3:30:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEPTEMBER 22ND WORKSHOP ABOUT HIRING STAFF
AND OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS.
3:30:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHOSE MOTION IS THIS?
3:30:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL SECOND THAT.
3:30:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
I BELIEVE 16 WAS CONTINUED OCTOBER 17th.
3:30:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT YET.
3:31:03PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, DEVELOPMENT AND
GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
ITEMS 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 AND 21, THOSE WERE THE PUBLICLY
INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN WE WORKSHOPPED WITH
YOU ON JUNE 23rd.
THIS IS ALLOWING ADUs ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN
NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, ALLOWING EXTENDED FAMILY
RESIDENCES IN NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, ACCESS TO LOCAL
STREET, ALLOWING SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND MULTIFAMILY
WITHIN THE CITY'S OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.

WHAT I DID WAS I PROVIDED YOU WITH A MEMO, I PROVIDED YOU
WITH THE DRAFT LANGUAGE TODAY, IN ANTICIPATION OF ASKING
THAT WE COME ON OCTOBER 22ND TO WORKSHOP THESE ITEMS WITH
YOU.
THIS ALLOWS SOME TIME NOW FOR REVIEW OF THAT LANGUAGE.
IT ALLOWS IT FOR THE PUBLIC.
ERIC COTTON IS WAITING TILL YOU MAKE A MOTION TODAY, AND
THEN WE WILL GET IT UPLOADED ON OUR WEBSITE WITH THE
APPLICABLE DATES.
SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE.
WE ARE GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING ON
SEPTEMBER 28th TO GET AN INITIAL DISCUSSION GOING WITH
THE PUBLIC ON THESE, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE INITIAL
BRIEFING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PREPARE TO COME TO YOU
WITH A WORKSHOP.
BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY, PROVIDE
THAT LANGUAGE UPFRONT AND ASK FOR THOSE DATES TODAY.
AND THAT WILL CLEAR THOSE ITEMS.
3:32:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL?
3:32:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT LANGUAGE PROVIDED BY E-MAIL TODAY?
3:32:40PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
3:32:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'LL CATCH UP.
THANK YOU.
3:32:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A COPY.
IT'S IN UNIX.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS AND
I HAVE READ THESE, AND AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO -- I REALLY
WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION, AND PLANNING
COMMISSION BRIEFING, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO
GET US TO THIS POINT.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORKSHOP, WHERE WE CAN REALLY
FINALIZE OR AT LEAST GET THESE FURTHER SETTLED.
3:33:17PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YOU WILL REMEMBER IN OCTOBER WE ALSO HAD
MAKING ADUs A SPECIFIED USE SO THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE
KIND OF THIS LANGUAGE BUT IT'S A TWO-STONE PROCESS MAKING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING A SPECIFIED USE, OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING A
SPECIFIED USE, AND THEN ALSO SOME BONUS DENSITY DISCUSSION.
SO WE HAVE THOSE AS WELL, SO IT WILL BE A VERY FULL DAY.
I BELIEVE YOU ARE ALSO HAVING A MEMO COME FROM MS. DOCK ON
TWO PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT THAT ARE ALSO BEING ASKED
TO BE WORKSHOPPED ON THAT DAY AND THAT WAS THE DESIGNATED
GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP DAY.
SO THANK YOU.
3:33:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:33:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ON ITEM NUMBER 16, I TALKED TO YOU YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE ON
IT.
I AM NOT AGAINST IT, BUT I FEEL THAT THE CITY, IN ORDER TO
COVER ITSELF, YOU HAVE TO PROVE TO ME THAT THAT'S OF VALUE,
AND YOU CAN DO THAT, WHO YOUR MOTHER IS, YOUR FATHER IS,

YOUR AUNT, UNCLE, AND WHEN THEY HAVE THAT DOCUMENTATION THEN
I AM NOT AGAINST IT.
BUT TODAY, I KNOW HUNDREDS AND MAYBE THOUSANDS OF HOMES THAT
ARE NOT PAYING THE AD VALOREM TAX AND THEY GOT THE HOUSE
DIVIDED INTO FOUR PIECES.
THEY ARE RENTING ROOMS.
THEY ARE NOT STAYING IN BEDS 25 TO 30%.
THE WHOLLY THING IS RESIDENTIAL UNDER ONE PERSON'S NAME AND
THERE'S THREE FAMILIES LIVING THERE AND THEY ARE RENTING IT
OUT, NOT PAYING THE AD VALOREM TAX LIKE THREE AND A HALF
TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND OTHER, TO HAVE
MONEY FOR THE TEACHERS, OR ANY TEACHERS.
I HAVE GOT TO HAVE MORE PROOF THAN JUST A SIGNED DOCUMENT
THAT, YEAH, THAT'S MY RELATIVE. TO ME, I TRUST BUT I ALWAYS
LIKE TO VERIFY.
3:35:04PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
UNDERSTOOD.
THANK YOU.
3:35:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
3:35:10PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
3:35:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
3:35:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE -- THE 27th OF OCTOBER.
3:35:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 21.
3:35:43PM >>MCLAIN EVANS:
ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.
FIRST READING OF A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
STAFF IS MODIFYING SECTION 21-116 AND 116.1 TO ELIMINATE
CONFLICTING REFERENCES TO THE STORMWATER STANDARDS MANUAL,
AND TO THE DEPARTMENT.
3:36:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IS THAT NUMBER 17?
3:36:07PM >> 22.
I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT.
3:36:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:36:21PM >> MOVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
FLORIDA AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER
21, ARTICLE 3, SECTION 21-116 AND ARTICLE 4, SECTION
21-116.1, ELIMINATING CONFLICTING STORMWATER TECHNICAL
STANDARDS MANUAL EDITION REFERENCES, CORRECTION DEPARTMENT
NAME, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:36:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WASN'T SURE -- IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE
HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE SOMEONE BUYS A HOUSE, AND HAS GOT PART

OF IT, THE PAVERS OR CONCRETE, AND THEN IT SETTLED, AND THEN
DO YOU HAVE A WAY OF FINDING OUT WHAT'S GOING ON?
BECAUSE THEY SHOULD PAY A HIGHER RATE.
THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS SHOULDN'T PAY THAT.
3:37:27PM >>MCLANE EVANS:
I APOLOGIZE, I DO NOT HAVE STAFF ON THE WAY
BECAUSE I THOUGHT QUESTIONS WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO
THE LANGUAGE CHANGED.
3:37:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS FIRST READING SO WE HAVE TIME
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING?
3:37:37PM >> YES, SIR.
I WILL FORWARD TO STAFF.
3:37:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:37:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:37:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:37:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES CARL.
3:37:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:37:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:37:52PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 6th,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
3:38:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23.

FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:38:07PM >>LACHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
COUNCIL, ITEM NUMBER 23 IS BEFORE YOU FOR FIRST READING.
THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS RICKY PETERIKA, TO AMEND SEVERAL SECTIONS
OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES CODE.
SOME OF IT IS CLEAN-UP, AND MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING
TABLES, JUST TO CLARIFY CERTAIN STANDARDS.
IT INCLUDES REVISION TO THE DEFINITION SECTION OF THE CODE
FOR THE DEFINITION OF GRAND TREE, AND THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED
BY STAFF, THE APPLICANT WAS NATURAL RESOURCES IN THIS
LANGUAGE AND STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS REQUEST.
THE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING WAS HELD IN MAY, JUST TO GIVE
YOU AN IDEA ON THE TIMING AND THE PROCESSING SCHEDULE.
IT WAS BEFORE YOU FOR WORKSHOP, COUNCIL, IN JUNE, AND IT
WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST, AND THE
PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A RECOMMENDATION OF CONSISTENT.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS THERE IN CHAMBERS, RICKY
PETERIKA IS THERE AND I WILL LET HIM SPEAK.
IT IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
3:39:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF?
3:39:27PM >> RICKY PETERIKA, I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
WE PRESENTED THIS WORKSHOP ABOUT 45 DAYS AGO, THOUGHT IT
WOULDN'T PRETTY SMOOTHLY, AND I CAN ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS

THAT COUNCIL HAS BUT DECIDED TO SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS GET
ON THE BOOKS.
3:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PETERIKA?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:39:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. PETERIKA, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE HERE BUT I
WANT TO MAKE SURE, I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
THIS, BUT WHAT I LIKE TO SEE FOR CLARITY ON, WHEN SOMETHING
COMES IN AND YOU HAVE SO MANY TREES AND YOU HAVE TO PLANT
SOMEWHERE ELSE, IS THERE A MECHANISM, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE,
WHERE YOU KNOW THE TREES ARE GOING AND YOU PUT MONEY INTO
THE PLAN?
3:40:18PM >> TO MY KNOWLEDGE I DON'T THINK THERE IS THAT.
3:40:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:40:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I WOULD LIKE TO READ AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA RELATING TO LANDSCAPING AND GRAND TREES MAKING
REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27
ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43
DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 27-211-13, LANDSCAPING,
AMENDING SECTION 27-284 .1.2, TREES-PROTECTED, GRAND, AND
EXEMPT TREES, MEASUREMENT METHODS, AMENDING SECTION

27-284.3.1, LANDSCAPE AND TREE PLANTING STANDARDS, TREE
PRESERVATION RETENTION, STANDARDS, AMENDING SECTION
27-284.3.3, LANDSCAPED AREA AND TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS
AND CREATING SECTION 27-283.16 BICYCLE PARKING REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:41:21PM >> SECOND.
3:41:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:41:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:41:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:41:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:41:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:41:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:41:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:41:34PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 6th,
2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
3:41:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:41:50PM >>LACHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.
LACHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
COUNCIL, ITEM 24 IS A ANOTHER PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT

AMENDMENT.
THE APPLICATION IS ANGELA PROVERB.
SHE IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CDP WHICH IS CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT, SIGN STANDARD.
THE REQUEST INCLUDES AMENDING SOME OF THE GENERAL SIGN
REQUIREMENTS WHICH ARE FOUND IN TABLE 183.1.
THIS WOULD ALSO MODIFY CERTAIN FOOTNOTES WITHIN THAT TABLE.
THIS IS REGARDING THE ORIENTATION OF SIGNAGE IN WHAT IS
CONSIDERED FRONTAGE, AND THE ALLOWANCE OF SIGNAGE ON ANY
FRONTAGE.
THIS ALSO INCLUDES ADDING SIGN LANGUAGE FROM THE SIGN CODE
WHICH WOULD APPLY CITY-WIDE TO THE CDB DISTRICT WHICH IS A
SPECIAL DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY.
AND STAFF REVIEWED THE REQUEST, HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS
REQUEST.
THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WAS ON THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE PREVIOUS
TEXT AMENDMENT.
IT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST.
THE RECOMMENDATION WAS A FINDING OF CONSISTENT.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS THERE IN CHAMBERS.
IF NOT, SHE IS PRESENT ONLINE.
AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
3:43:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
3:43:06PM >> I AM ANGELA RAUBER WITH HILL, WARD, HENDERSON, 101 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS
SPECIFICALLY, THEN I CAN ANSWER THOSE, IF YOU WANT A FULL
PRESENTATION I AM HAPPY TO SHARE THAT AS WELL.
BASICALLY AS MS. DOCK SAID, WE ARE LOOKING TO KIND OF
PROVIDE THE CODE IN A SIMPLE WAY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE
PEDESTRIAN VERSUS THE CITY-WIDE STANDARDS THAT CURRENTLY
APPLY.
WHEN THE CDB CODE WAS AMENDED THE SIGN CODE WAS ONLY AMENDED
TO ALLOW TO ACCOMMODATE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, BUT EVERY OTHER
PROVISION BACK TO LIKE THE GENERAL STANDARD THAT ARE IN THE
CODE.
SO THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SPECIFICALLY
PRACTICED FOR CBD THAT DEALS WITH THE TYPES OF SIGNAGE SO
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE WITH SIMPLE
CHANGES.
3:44:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:44:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO WOULD THIS
BE TO ALLOW SIGNS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ARE WALKING DOWN
FRANKLIN STREET AND A BUSINESS WANTS TO PUT A SIGN OVERHEAD
IN FRONT OF THEIR ENTRANCE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, THIS WOULD
PERTAIN TO THAT, CORRECT?
3:44:21PM >> IT DOES.
AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY ALLOWED IN CODE.
SO THERE'S NOTHING PROHIBITING A PROJECTING SIGN IN CBD
CURRENTLY.

IT'S JUST WHEN YOU GO TO THAT SPECIFIC REGULATION YOU HAVE
TO LOOK BACK TO GENERAL STANDARD, AND IT'S CRAFTED FOR A
MORE SUBURBAN PART OF TOWN.
AND THAT'S NO STRIP CENTER ALONG KENNEDY.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT BUILDING HAS FRONTAGE MAYBE ON ONLY ONE SIDE.
IN A SIMPLE BUSINESS DISTRICT YOU HAVE FRONTAGE ON ALL FOUR
SIDES.
SO YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE IS THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE.
AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T WORK FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE
MULTI-STORY.
SO THE CBD CODE DID ADDRESS HAVING SIGNS THAT ARE ALLOWED
ONLY ON GROUND LEVEL AND ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, SO YOU
CAN'T HAVE SIGNS IN BETWEEN THOSE LEVELS.
BUT WHAT IT DIDN'T DO WAS MAKE THOSE SIGNS THAT PROJECT ON
THE BUILDING PEDESTRIAN SCALE.
SO THE TEN FOOT, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE
ASKING IS THAT THE SIGNS, THE CLEARANCE FROM THE GROUND,
ONLY NINE FEET, WHICH IS A PEDESTRIAN SCALE HEIGHT, VERSUS
TEN FEET WHICH WOULD BE FOR A MORE SUBURBAN KIND OF
ENVIRONMENT.
SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING WITH
THESE CHANGES.
3:45:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO IT'S BASICALLY TAKING IT BACK TO 16
YEARS AGO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THERE WAS A LOT OF NEON.

AGAIN, I USE FRANKLIN STREET BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE.
A VERY FAMOUS -- NOT FAMOUS BUT A PICTURE OF FRANKLIN STREET
IN 1956 BUT IT'S SIGNS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHERE
EVERYONE ENCOURAGED THE PEDESTRIAN ASPECT OF IT BECAUSE
BUSINESSES, OFFICE, RESTAURANTS, WHATEVER.
SO GOOD.
3:46:10PM >> I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS EVEN
MORE LIKE WHAT YOU SAW ON FRANKLIN STREET IN 1956.
THAT WOULD BE MY IDEAL SITUATION TO PRESENT TO YOU.
WE ARE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING WITH LIGHTING OR ANYTHING OF
THAT NATURE.
WE TRIED TO KEEP THESE PROPOSED CHANGES VERY MINIMAL, BUT
THE DESIGNS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE
ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
3:46:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD.
I THINK WE DID IT RIGHT A LONG TIME AGO, JUST LIKE THE
STREETCAR, BUT WE TORE IT UP, WE GOT RID OF ALL THE NEON.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
BUT WE MADE THESE UPDATES AND CHANGED OUR CODE OVER THE
YEARS TO MODERNIZE, AND NOW WE REALIZE WE DID IT RIGHT THE
FIRST TIME AND MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK BACK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:46:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:46:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOVE FILE NUMBER E-20-22-8 CHAPTER 27,

ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING K AN ORDINANCE
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO BUILDING SIGNS,
MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER
27 ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-183,
GENERAL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:47:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:47:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:47:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:47:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:47:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:47:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
3:47:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:47:47PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 6, 2022
AT 9:30 A.M.
3:47:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25.
FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
3:47:58PM >>LACHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
COUNCIL, ITEM 25 IS THE LAST PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT
FOR THE DAY.
THE APPLICANT IS COLIN RICE.

HE IS REPRESENTING KEN STOLTENBERG.
THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE BONUS PROVISIONS IN THE CHANNEL
DISTRICT.
SO CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, UNDER CODE SECTION 27-140 WHICH IS
OUR BONUS PROVISION SECTION OF THE ZONING CODE, THE BONUS IS
ACTUALLY CALCULATED BASED UPON A FORMULA.
SO THIS IS WHEN THE BONUS WOULD APPLY.
THIS IS WHEN YOU SEE PD SITE PLANS COME BEFORE YOU.
SOMETIMES THERE IS A BONUS AGREEMENT THAT IT GOES ALONG WITH
THAT REQUEST.
AND THAT BONUS AMOUNT WHEN IT IS CHOSEN TO UTILIZE THE BONUS
AS A PAYMENT, THAT AMOUNT IS DETERMINED BASED UPON A
FORMULA.
THAT FORMULA CONTAINS A RATIO. THE RATIO CURRENTLY IN THE
CODE IS 10 TO 1.
WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED IS TO MODIFY THAT RATIO TO 100 TO 1.
SO FOR EVERY ONE DOLLAR OF CONTRIBUTION, THE BONUS
PROVISION, THE DEVELOPER AND THE OWNER, THEY ARE GRANTED
$100 IN EQUIVALENT DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS.
SO ORIGINALLY THE REQUEST WAS TO AMEND IT FOR CITY-WIDE
REQUEST, BUT ANY BONUS REQUESTED ANYWHERE IN THE CITY AND
THEN THE TEXT AMENDMENT WAS LATER REVISED TO THE CHANNEL
DISTRICT ONLY.
SO NOW THAT WOULD APPLY JUST TO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
AND STAFF REVIEWED THE REQUEST.

WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS SINCE IT WAS MODIFIED TO THE CHANNEL
DISTRICT ONLY.
AND THE APPLICANT IS THERE IN CHAMBERS.
AND I WILL TURN IF OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT IT SINCE
IT IS A PRIVATE REQUEST.
3:49:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DOCK?
THANK YOU.
3:49:49PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
COLIN RICE FOR THE APPLICANT, KEN STOLTENBERG, 101 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, SUITE 2800.
I WANT TO THANK LACHONE AND ABBYE FEELEY AS WELL FOR THEIR
INPUT ON THIS.
IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL WORKING WITH THEM.
WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE THEIR SUPPORT TO. REITERATE, WE ARE
SEEKING A VERY MIN OR CHANGE TO SECTION 27-140 WITH RESPECT
TO THE BONUS PROVISION FORMULA, SPECIFIC TO CHANNEL
DISTRICTS, TO AMEND THE RATIO FROM TEN TO ONE TO 100 TO ONE.
WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS FOR EVERY DOLLAR CONTRIBUTION TO AN
APPROVED AMENITY FOR THE BONUS FORMULA, THERE WOULD BE AN
EQUIVALENT $100 IN EQUIVALENT DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS THAT GOES
INTO THE FORMULA.
BASICALLY IT REDUCES WHAT HAS BECOME AN INCREASING BURDEN,
PARTICULARLY FOR THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, TO MEET THAT BONUS
AMOUNT THRESHOLD.
WHAT THIS REALLY WILL SERVE TO DO IS SUPER CHARGE THE

WALKABILITY AND DENSITY IN AN AREA WHERE WE REALLY NEED IT
AND IS KIND OF RUNNING OUT OF SPACE, AND THIS IS VERY CLOSE
TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WHICH HAS NO BONUS
LIMITATIONS.
WE THINK THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
I THINK RESTRICTING IT TO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT PRESERVES A
LOT OF THE OTHER BONUS AMENITY VIABILITY THAT COULD BE MORE
PREVALENT ELSEWHERE.
THE LAND VALUES AND THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE
OTHER INPUTS TO BE THIS COMPLICATED FORMULA HAVE REALLY
CREATED WHAT HAS AMOUNTED TO A DISINCENTIVE FOR BONUS IN
THIS REGION.
MR. STOLTENBERG WAS HERE THIS MORNING.
WE LOVE TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO SPEAK.
UNFORTUNATELY HE HAD A COMMITMENT THAT HE COULDN'T MOVE TO
THIS AFTERNOON SO HE DOES APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
THAT'S BASICALLY ALL.
I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.
WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION MEETING, UNANIMOUS
APPROVAL IN A WORKSHOP BEFORE YOU PREVIOUSLY.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
3:51:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE
PETITIONER?

THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:51:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FILE E-2022-8-CH-27.
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO BONUS PROVISIONS IN
THE CHANNEL DISTRICT MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE
OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT,
AMENDING SECTION 27-140, BONUS PROVISION, REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:52:22PM >> SECOND.
3:52:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:52:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:52:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:52:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:52:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:52:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:52:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:52:36PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 6, 2022
AT 9:30 A.M.
3:52:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, MS. DOCK.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY.

3:52:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MR. CHAIR.
[OFF MICROPHONE]
3:52:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION.
3:53:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
34 THROUGH 47.
3:53:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS.
3:53:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 41 THROUGH 60
MINUS 58.
3:53:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE FINANCE.
3:53:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEMS 61 THROUGH 70.
3:53:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
3:53:40PM >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?

THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS NOT HERE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, BUILDING AND ZONING.
3:53:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
71 THROUGH 86 I MOVE SAID ITEMS.
3:53:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:53:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
3:54:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM WILL 7
THROUGH 92.
3:54:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:54:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:54:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF I MAY SET ITEMS 93 AND 94 FOR
SCHEDULED HEARINGS OCTOBER 20th, 2022 AT 1:30 P.M. FOR
FILE SU-1-22-42-C AND THEN DE 1-22-235-C FOR NOVEMBER
3rd, 2022 AT 1:30.
3:54:44PM >> SECOND.
3:54:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:54:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
3:54:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
3:54:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO MOVE ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 95, FILE TACPA 21-27.
3:55:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY JUST REALLY FAST FOR THE PUBLIC, AT
4:30 I HAVE A CALL.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE ME ABOUT 10 MINUTES THAT I HAVE
TO DO, TO STEP OUT AT 4:30 DURING THAT TIME IF I MAY.
THANK YOU.
3:55:32PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS SECOND READING ON AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD AMEND AN
ORDINANCE THAT PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED THE TEN-YEAR WATER SUPPLY
PLAN.
IF YOU RECALL THERE WAS AN EXHIBIT THAT REFERENCED THE PURE
PROJECT, AND THAT EXHIBIT WAS MODIFIED PRIOR TO ADOPTION OF
THE ORDINANCE, BUT THE INCORRECT EXHIBIT WAS ATTACHED TO THE
ORDINANCE, SO THIS ORDINANCE JUST CORRECTS THAT ERROR.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER.
3:56:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS.

JOHNSON-VELEZ?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO
THIS AGENDA ITEM?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:56:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM NUMBER 95, FILE TA/CPA 21-27, MOVE
AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE 2022-115 PASSED AND
ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ON JULY
14, 2022, CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR BY SUBSTITUTING A
NEW EXHIBIT C FOR THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EXHIBIT C TO
ACCURATELY REFLECT THE EXHIBIT C ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:56:55PM >> SECOND.
3:56:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
(ROLL CALL).
3:57:06PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
WITH CARLSON BEING ABSENT.
3:57:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SEND AGENDA ITEM 96, E-BE 2022-8 CHAPTER
26.

3:57:17PM >>MCLANE EVANS:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS SECOND READING ON AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 26
ARTICLE 7 WHICH IS OUR GREASE MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE TO BRING
IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW TO PROHIBIT A PRACTICE
CALLED PUMP AND RETURN GREASE HAULING.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS IS BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY
ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, REMOTELY BY CTTV.
3:57:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY
COMMENTS TO THIS?
3:57:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:57:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:57:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES TO CLOSE, SECOND
BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
3:58:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE ORDINANCES CHAPTER 26
UTILITIES ARTICLE 7 GREASE MANAGEMENT REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:58:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:58:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:58:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

3:58:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:58:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:58:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:58:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:58:30PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT.
3:58:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF ANYONE IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TESTIMONY, IF WE HAVE
ONLINE ALSO, OR IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY EVIDENCE OR MAKING
ANY COMMENTS TO THE REST OF THE AGENDA, PLEASE RISE TO BE
SWORN IN.
ANYONE WHO IS GIVING EVIDENCE OR GOING TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS.
3:59:00PM >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO
GIVE IS THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
3:59:16PM >> I DO.
3:59:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE BE SEATED.
FILE NUMBER 97 -- AGENDA ITEM 97, FILE REZ 22-28.
3:59:27PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT THE
LOCATION 407 NORTH MANHATTAN AVENUE.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

3:59:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSAIN?
NO.
SEEING NONE.
PETITIONER?
FILE OF SAYS 22-28.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 97.
4:00:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EVIDENTLY NO ONE IS HERE.
4:00:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I GUESS NOT.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO BE TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 97, FILE REZ 22-28?
4:00:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:00:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:00:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING THE PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 407 NORTH MANHATTAN AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:01:12PM >> SECOND.

4:01:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:01:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:01:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:01:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:01:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:01:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:01:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:01:28PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT.
4:01:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:01:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:01:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:01:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:01:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:01:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:01:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:01:50PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT.
4:01:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WILL YOU TAKE THE GAVEL, PLEASE?
4:02:01PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
ITEM NUMBER 98.

4:02:05PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM 98, CASE AB 2-21-32, IS BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT THE LOCATION 601 NORTH
19th STREET.
THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
SALES, LARGE VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY FOR BEER,
WINE AND LIQUOR.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:02:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSSEIN?
DO WE HAVE A PETITIONER FOR ITEM NUMBER 98?
ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR 98?
NO?
DOES ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 98?
98?
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH A SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN MEMBER GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
MEMBER HURTAK, WOULD YOU MIND READING 98?
4:03:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTE NOT.
FILE AB 2-21-32, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, LARGE VENUE,

CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND
LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN, LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED
AT 601 NORTH 19th STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3, PROVIDING THAT ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 1989-306, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
4:03:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SECOND.
4:03:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:

4:03:52PM >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MEMBER HURTAK WITH A
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:03:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:04:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:04:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:04:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:04:05PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AND CITRO ABSTAINING.
4:04:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAD TO ABSTAIN FROM THAT AND I WILL HAVE PAPER WORTH
COMING SOON FOR MY REASONS.
4:04:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
DO YOU WANT ME TO PREPARE IT OR YOUR OFFICE?
4:04:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALREADY BEING PREPARED.

4:04:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND MAY I ASK THE NATURE OF YOUR REQUEST?
4:04:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS AN ORGANIZATION OF WHICH I AM A
MEMBER.
AGENDA ITEM 99. FILE REZ 22-57.
4:04:40PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
54.
4:04:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
99.
REZ 22-54.
4:04:53PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
THE LOCATION 1505 EAST COMANCHE AVENUE AND FOLIO NUMBER
150,327.0030.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM SH-RS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO SH-PD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:05:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSAIN?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
4:05:30PM >> CLAYTON BRICKLEMYER, 101 EAST KENNEDY.
WE HAVE MADE THE REQUESTED CHANGES AND VALUABLE FOR ANY
QUESTIONS.
4:05:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS PLAINTIFF BRICKLEMYER?
SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, IN CHAMBERS
THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENT TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

99?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:05:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
REZ 22-54, AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1505 EAST COMANCHE AVENUE AND
FOLIO NUMBER 150,327.0030 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION SH-RS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY, TO SH-PD, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:06:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
4:06:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:06:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:06:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:06:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:06:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:06:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:06:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:06:36PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING

ABSENT.
4:06:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 100, FILE REZ 22-78.
4:06:49PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
EXCUSE ME, 74?
4:06:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
74, YES.
4:06:54PM >> DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AT THE LOCATION 3010 AND 3018 NORTH
50th STREET AND FOLIO NUMBER 158,155.0005, PROPOSED
REZONING FROM CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND RM-16 RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY TO CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
4:07:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. HUSAIN?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 100.
THE GUESS THE PETITIONERS AREN'T GOING TO BE HERE. IS THERE
ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO NUMBER
100, REZ 22-74?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:07:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE 100, FILE NUMBER REZ 22-74.
AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 3010 AND 3018 NORTH 50th STREET AND FOLIO
NUMBER 158,155.0005 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND RM-16 RESIDENTIAL,
MULTIFAMILY, TO CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:08:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:08:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:08:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:08:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:08:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:08:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:08:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:08:40PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT.
4:08:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 101, VAC 21-13.
4:08:46PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
FILE VAC 21-13 IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING.
IT'S APPROACHED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF
NORTH 34th STREET, LOCATED SOUTH OF THIRD AVENUE, NORTH
OF ADAMO DRIVE, EAST OF 34th STREET, WEST OF 35th
STREET.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
4:09:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMMONS?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
OH, GOOD GOSH.

4:09:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT MUST BE AN EPIDEMIC.
4:09:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THESE ARE 9:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
4:09:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 101?
FILE VAC 21-13?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
MR. VIERA.
4:09:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I MOVE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE.
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND
ABANDONING THAT PORTION OF NORTH 34th STREET LOCATED
SOUTH OF 3rd AVENUE NORTH MUCH ADAMO DRIVE EAST OF
34th STREET AND WEST OF 35th STREET WITHIN THE PLAT
OF SECOND REVISION OF EAST BAY PARK SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AND MORE FULLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS
CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
HEREIN PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
VIOLATIONS PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS AND
REPEALING CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN

EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:10:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
(ROLL CALL)
4:10:31PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT.
4:10:36PM >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 102.
FAIL VAC 22-06.
MR. SAMMONS.
4:10:44PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
FILE VAC 22-06.
BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING.
IT IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST FOR ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH
OF CLEVELAND STREET, NORTH.
AZEELE STREET, EAST OF RENELLIE DRIVE AND WEST OF STREET.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
4:11:07PM >> ANY QUESTIONS PLAINTIFF SALMON? PETITIONER?
HERE YOU ARE.
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
AND YOU ARE MUTED.
AND YOU ARE MUTED.
YOU ARE MUTED.
4:11:19PM >> I AM HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THIS EVENING.
SHE DID REACH OUT TO ME.
LIKELY SHE DID GET HER VIDEO CONFERENCE ON BUT SHE IS
UNAVAILABLE TO SPEAK TIGHT.

4:11:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SHE'S THE PETITIONER.
OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO FILE
NUMBER VAC 22-06 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 102?
4:11:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE WANTS TO BE RECOGNIZED.
4:11:50PM >> I'M HERE.
4:11:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN
IN?
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
HEATHER AGAZZI: I DO.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ADVISED OF ANY OBJECTIONS TO MY PETITION.
NEIGHBORS SEEM ENTHUSIASTIC.
4:12:11PM >> THANK YOU.
AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO
MAKE ANY COMMENTS TO THIS?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE?
4:12:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:12:24PM >> SECOND.
4:12:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:12:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING ALLEYWAY

LOCATED SOUTH OF CLEVELAND STREET NORTH OF AZEELE STREET,
EAST OF RENELLIE DRIVE AND WEST OF TRASK STREET WITHIN THE
PLAT OF BEACH PARK ANNEX A SUBDIVISION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS CONDITIONS AND
RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING
FOR ENFORCEMENT FOR PENALTIES A FOR VIOLATIONS PROVIDING FOR
DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICT
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:13:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:13:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:13:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:13:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:13:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:13:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:13:26PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE AND CARLSON BEING ABSENT.
4:13:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MADAM CLERK, DID WE WITHDRAW 103?
OKAY.
I NEED A MOTION TO WITHDRAW 103.
FILE NUMBER SU-1-22-19-C.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
4:13:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCUSE ME?
4:13:57PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
4:14:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
103 IS ON THE AGENDA.
4:14:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHO WAS THE MOTION MADE, BY GUDES, SECONDED
BY MIRANDA.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS CONTINUANCE
ONLY -- IT'S BEING WITHDRAWN.
4:14:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
4:14:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE QUICHE TO SPEAK TO THE WITHDRAWAL?
4:14:32PM >> IS THAT NECESSARY?
4:14:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
105.
WE DID 102.
1051 BEING ASKED TO BE REMOVED.
WHICH IS FILE NUMBER --
4:15:02PM >> MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ?
4:15:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS READING THE FILE NUMBER OFF.
FILE NUMBER HPC 22-01-C.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 104.
FILE NUMBER DE 1-22-197-C.
4:15:32PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
4:15:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
GOOD EVENING.
4:15:49PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ITEM NUMBER 104 IS BEFORE YOU REGARDING A PETITION FOR
REVIEW REGARDING DE 1-22-197 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
3003 WEST CYPRESS STREET.
THIS PETITION WAS FILED BY ANDREW LAWRENCE, AN AGGRIEVED
PERSON, APPEALING STAFF DECISION THAT APPROVED THE REQUEST
TO WAIVE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN CODE SECTIONS 27-282.9
WHICH IS REGARDING SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DESIGN STANDARDS
FOR GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCES TO DWELLING UNITS, AND CODE
SECTION 27-241 REGARDING THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT
STANDARDS REGARDING FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT.
NUMBER 104 IS ONLY REGARDING THE PETITION FOR REVIEW
REGARDING THE DESIGN EXCEPTION APPLICATION.
THERE ARE OTHER APPLICATIONS PENDING BEFORE THE CITY RELATED
TO THIS PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, THIS ITEM IS THE ONLY MATTER THAT'S PROPERLY BEFORE
CITY COUNCIL.

THE OTHER PENDING APPLICATIONS ARE NOT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
TODAY.
AS SUCH, CITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
OTHER PENDING APPLICATIONS, WHEN YOU ARE MAKING YOUR
DECISION REGARDING THIS PETITION FOR REVIEW.
EARLIER, COUNCIL WAS PROVIDED A COPY OF THE RULES OF
PROCEDURE IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THE MEETING ALONG WITH SAMPLE
MOTIONS AND THE RELEVANT CODE SECTIONS.
FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL HAS A DE NOVO
STANDARD OF REVIEW WHICH MEANS THAT YOUR DECISION IS NOT
LIMITED TO THEIR RECORD THAT WAS CREATED BY STAFF IN THIS
CASE.
INSTEAD, YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE,
AND MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE APPEAL OF STAFF'S
DECISION SHOULD BE TO APPROVE THE DESIGN EXCEPTION IN
REGARDS TO DE 1-22-197.
MR. ANDY MIKULSKI IS ONLINE TO BE PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF
STAFF'S DECISION REGARDING THIS DESIGN EXCEPTION
APPLICATION.
AFTER CONSIDERING ALL THE EVIDENCE INTRODUCED INTO THE
RECORD AT TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE TWO
ACTIONS.
CITY COUNCIL MAY UPHOLD STAFF'S DECISION AND THEREBY APPROVE
THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION APPLICATION IN DE 1-22-197,
OR CITY COUNCIL MAY OVERTURN STAFF'S DECISION AND THEREBY

DENY THE APPLICATION FOR THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION
APPLICATION IN DE 1-22-197.
WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. MIKULSKI.
4:18:35PM >> IF I MAY ASK YOU, PLEASE, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR THE
DESIGN EXCEPTION.
THIS IS NOT FOR ANY TYPE OF PERMITTING OR VARIANCES EXCEPT
FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
4:18:46PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THAT IS CORRECT.
THIS IS ONLY FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION APPLICATION.
4:18:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
4:18:50PM >>ANDY MIKULSKI, URBAN DESIGN COORDINATOR.
4:19:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SIR, HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
4:19:04PM >> ANDY MIKULSKI:
YES, I HAVE.
URBAN DESIGN COORDINATOR, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. MAY I
SHARE MY SCREEN?
4:19:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE.
4:19:12PM >> AND WHAT CAN YOU GUYS SEE?
4:19:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, WE CAN.
JUST ENLARGE IT.
4:19:30PM >> DO YOU SEE A PREVIOUS SCREEN?
4:19:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOT FULL YET.
STILL NOT THERE.
CAN EVERYONE ON COUNCIL SEE THE MAIN SCREEN, SAYS WELCOME,
CITY OF TAMPA?
CAN EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SEE THAT?

4:20:02PM >>THE CLERK:
ANDY, YOU HAVE IT IN PRESENTATION MODE.
4:20:04PM >> OKAY.
HOW ABOUT NOW?
4:20:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU!
4:20:08PM >> OKAY.
OKAY.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
GREN, THIS IS THE PETITION FOR REVIEW OF THE APPROVED DESIGN
EXCEPTION DE 1-22-1997, PETITIONER IS ANDREW LAWRENCE,
ADDRESS 3003 WEST CYPRESS, CURRENT ZONING IS CG COMMERCIAL
GENERAL IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
TWO APPROVED DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
FIRST ONE IS TO SECTION 27-282.9. C, AND THE REQUESTS THAT
WAS GRANTED WAS A TO ALLOW 36 GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCES TO FACE
PLAZAS INSTEAD OF A STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THE SECOND ITEM IS 27-241 E-2 C-7 TO ALLOW GARAGES AT THE
REAR OF THE STRUCTURES TO NOT BE ELEVATED TO THE 24-INCH
FLOOR ON GRADE.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED.
2.20 ACRES.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THE STANDARD FOR REVIEW, THIS IS THE BOILERPLATE 27-60.
I WON'T READ ALL OF THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S ON MY NEXT
SLIDE AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY THEY WERE APPROVED.
AND THE IMPORTANT TEXT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BOLD.

THAT'S THE IMPORTANT TEXT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THERE.
NOW I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL DESIGN
EXCEPTIONS, THE FIRST ONE.
FIRST ONE, 36 GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCES TO FACE INTERIOR COURTS
OR PLAZAS, THE CODE SECTION THERE.
IT IS GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCES, FRONT DOORS SHALL FACE THE
STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY NOT ALLEYS INCLUDING THE SIDE OR CORNER
LOT.
ENTRANCES MAY FACE INTERIOR COURTS, PLAZAS OR DESIGN ELEMENT
WITH APPROVAL OF ALTERNATIVE DESIGN BY THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST REQUEST WAS.
WE DID GRANT IT.
IT WAS THOUGHT THOSE WERE REASONABLE REQUESTS.
AND IT WAS INTENDED TO MATCH THE INTENT OF THE COMP PLAN AND
THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
AND I WILL GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL HERE.
THIS IS A SIMILAR CONDITION.
THIS IS ONE MILE EAST OF THE PROJECT SITE, ALSO IN THE WEST
TAMPA OVERLAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE DOORS FACE INTERIOR SIDE COURTYARD.
THIS IS AT OREGON AND LEMON.
AND NOW THE SITE PLAN, THE GREEN HIGHLIGHTED AREAS ARE THE
COURT YARDS, THAT FACE THOSE INTERIOR COURT YARDS.
THE PINK ORANGISH COLOR A STRONG CYPRESS IS STREET FRONTAGE,

AND THOSE DO MEET THE CODE AND ADDRESS THE CYPRESS STREET
FRONTAGE.
SO WE DID GRANT IT.
IT WAS FELT THAT IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE RIGHTS OF
OTHERS AND PROVIDES A REASONABLE RELEVANCE OF USE AND INTENT
OF THIS CHAPTER IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY SECTION 27-241,
AND THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HERE IS FROM THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS PROVIDED.
YOU CAN SEE THE VIEW FROM CYPRESS STREET.
THEY DO HAVE THE UNITS FACING CYPRESS.
AND THE VIEW, THEY HAVE THE COURT YARDS, AND THIS IS GOING
BACK, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS
WHEN THEY FIRST PROPOSED THIS PLAN, I REQUESTED THAT THEY
HAVE DOORS AT LEAST FACING NEW JERSEY, SO THEY DID ADD THOSE
DOORS FACING NEW JERSEY THERE.
SO YOU GET THE INTERIOR COURTYARD ON NEW JERSEY AND THEN
ALSO HAVE SOME DOORS ON NEW JERSEY.
DESIGN EXCEPTION 2, THIS IS THE SECOND ITEM HERE THAT I WILL
WALK YOU THROUGH, TO ALLOW GARAGES IN THE REAR, SHALL NOT BE
ELEVATED -- ABOVE THE ADJACENT GRADE.
REQUIRING AN ELEVATED FINISH FLOOR FOR RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT IS TO ENCOURAGE DESIGN OF THE HISTORIC HOUSING
STYLES WHICH ARE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY.
WE GRANTED THIS ONE BECAUSE IT IS INTEGRATED GARAGES ARE NOT
FUNCTIONAL IF THEY ARE 24 INCHES ABOVE THE ADJACENT GRADE,

AND I WILL OF DESCRIBE SHOW YOU THIS GRAPHIC HERE.
SO HERE IS THE PROPOSED DESIGN.
YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT OF THE ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT PART, THAT'S THE PART THAT PEOPLE WILL ENGAGE WITH
COMING AND GOING.
AND AS WELL AS THE SECTIONS ALONG THE COURTYARD, ABOUT HALF
OF THAT FRONTAGE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING BY TO MEET THE
24-INCH FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE, THE GARAGES WHICH ARE
INTEGRATED INTO THE STRUCTURE, AND AT THE REAR, THOSE ARE AT
GRADE, AND THAT'S TO ALLOW YOU TO PULL INTO YOUR GARAGE.
SO WE FELT THIS WAS A REASONABLE REQUEST AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY
ISSUES.
AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.
THIS IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE BUT IT ILLUSTRATES WHAT THE
DESIGN IS REALLY GOING TO DO. YOU HAVE YOUR 24 INCHES AND
YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE IN THE BACK OF THIS HOUSE, THE GRAY
HOUSE, IT'S NOT THE YELLOW ONE THAT'S A SEPARATE HOUSE, BUT
THESE ARE INTEGRATED GARAGE IN THE REAR OF THIS HOUSE.
AND REALLY TO ONLY WAY YOU COULD HAVE THE SET-UP TO MAKE IT
WORK IS TO KEEP IT AT GRADE SO YOU COULD DRIVE INTO THE
GARAGE IN THE REAR.
AND THE SITE PLAN AGAIN, THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, THIS SHOWS
THE GREEN LINE SHOWS THIS SECTION OF THE BUILDING THAT DO
MEET THE 24-INCH REQUIREMENTS AND THE RED BEING THE SECTIONS

THAT DO NOT.
ALL THE AREAS THAT DO NOT ARE THE GARAGE FRONTAGES.
SO WE FELT THERE WAS A MINIMAL REQUEST AND IT MEETS THE
OVERALL INTENT OF THE CODE, AND THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
4:26:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
THANK YOU.
PETITIONER?
4:26:14PM >> I WILL STOP SHARING MY SCREEN IF THAT'S OKAY WITH
EVERYONE.
4:26:26PM >> IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE MY GREETING WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT IS
NOW A SLEET.
HOWEVER THE REGION I AM NOT IS NOT OH OBSOLETE.
IT'S THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.
THIS USED TO BE A 47 TOWNHOME MONSTROSITY, NOW IT'S A 42
TOWNHOUSE MONSTROSITY INSTEAD.
4:26:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GIVE US YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
4:26:50PM >> I APOLOGIZE.
MY NAME IS ANDREW LAWRENCE, 3004 WEST NASSAU AND THE
PRESIDENT OF THE MIDTOWN TAMPA ASSOCIATION WHICH ENCOMPASSES
THIS PROPERTY.
SO HERE TODAY REALLY JUST FOR THREE THINGS.
YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE SO I AM GOING TO SPEAK VERY QUICKLY.

AND APPEAL TO SANITY.
SO LIKE THE TYPE OF THING WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT, THE
EASEMENT, THE TRAFFIC, THE FLOODING, THAT DEEPLY CONCERNS
US.
SECOND, IF YOU LISTEN TO MY EXPERT WITNESS WHO IS GOING TO
BE FOLLOWING TO TALK NEXT.
THEN PLEASE LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF PEOPLE OF THAT WOULD LIKE TO ALSO RENDER THEIR
OPINION.
YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE.
I AM GOING TO PASS IT OFF NOW.
4:27:31PM >> GOOD EVENING.
AMBER DICKERSON, URBAN PLANNING INNOVATION, 5312 NORTH
SUWANNEE AVENUE.
LET ME GET SET UP HERE BECAUSE I HAVE A PRESENTATION.
OKAY.
SO UPI RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM MR. LAWRENCE TO PERFORM A
PLANNING REVIEW OF DESIGN EXCEPTION DEI 22-197 FOR 003 WEST
CYPRESS STREET.
THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL CONSISTS OF 42 SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED UNITS SITUATED IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TWO DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
ONE FOR THE BUILDING ORIENTATION AND ONE FOR THE FINISHED
FLOOR ELEVATION.
THE SECOND OF WHICH APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN PROPERLY PROCESSED

THROUGH THE REQUEST AND THE APPROVAL.
HOWEVER, WE FOUND SOME AREAS REQUIRING ADDITIONAL ATTENTION.
THE DESIGN EXCEPTION REQUESTED AND GRANTED FOR THE ENTRY
DOORS OF BUILDING H, G AND F FACING A COURTYARD AS STAFF
DESCRIBES, AND ALSO ADDITIONALLY THERE WAS NO REQUEST OR
APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED ROOF PITCH.
THESE BOTH ARE ESSENTIAL BECAUSE BASICALLY THIS BLOCK WILL
SET THE STANDARD FOR DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD.
OKAY.
SO THE KIND TO KIND OF DIG INTO THE INTERIOR ENTRANCES, THE
PROVISION STATES DWELLING UNITS SHOULD BE ORIENTED TO THE
FRONT OF THE STREET.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTING WAS APPROVED FOR THE WESTERN
BUILDINGS, WHICH THEY ARE NOT IN THIS GRAPHIC, TO ALLOW FOR
THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO FACE NEW JERSEY INSTEAD OF THE
FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS NO PRECEDENT ESTABLISHED ON ADJACENT
BLOCK TO PROVIDE FOR THIS ALTERNATIVE.
ADDITIONALLY THERE WAS NO JUSTIFICATION PROVIDED FOR THE
DOORS FACING EASTERN PROPERTY LINE VERSUS AN INTERIOR COURT.
THE GREEN SPACES HIGHLIGHTED ON THE GRAPHIC SHOW THE
ENTRYWAYS FACE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE AND TWO FENCES, A STRIP
OF LANDSCAPING, A SIDEWALK, WHICH DOES NOT APPEAR TO MATCH
THE DEFINITION OF AN INTERIOR COURT, PLAZA OR SIMILAR
DESIGN.

AND WE HAVE A REPORT THAT WILL ALSO ADD TO THE RECORD WITH
THOSE DEFINITIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, IT APPEARS THE SPECIFIC ROW OF BUILDINGS IS
ENCROACHING INTO THE NEWLY CREATED TECO EASEMENT DATED
AUGUST 26, 2022, WHICH I WILL ENTER A COPY INTO THE RECORD
ALSO.
NOT ENOUGH ROOM UP THERE.
OKAY.
NEXT LET'S DISCUSS ROOF PITCH.
A DESIGN EXCEPTION WAS NOT REQUIRED OR APPROVED FOR ROOF
PITCH.
THE ROOF -- THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING ROOF.
SO YOU SEE THE PARAPET WALL IN GREEN AND THE ROOFTOP IN
BLUE.
THE ROOF HAS A SLIGHT PITCH, ABOUT A 2 TO 12 PITCH.
HOWEVER, IT'S SCREENED WITH A PARAPET WALL WHICH GIVES AN
APPEARANCE ON THE EXTERIOR OF A FLAT ROOF.
FLAT ROOFS PARAPET WALLS ALLOW APPLICANTS TO EXCEED THE
BUILDING HATE BY AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET WHICH THE APPLICANT
IS PROPOSING.
IF THIS IS CONSIDERED IN REVERSE, A PITCHED ROOF, THEN THE
BUILDING SETBACK WOULD NEED TO BE REEVALUATED DUE TO THE
ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
HOWEVER, IF IT'S CONSIDERED A FLAT ROOF, THE APPLICANT MUST
WITH A DESIGN EXCEPTION AND SHOW THE ESTABLISHED PRECEDENT

FOR FLAT RESIDENTIAL REFS ON ADJACENT BLOCKS.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS EXAMPLES OF RESIDENTIAL ROOF LANES WITH THE
ADJACENT BLOCKS, AND THEY ARE ALL PITCHED ROOFS.
IN ADDITION, THERE ARE TWO COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SITE TO THE
WEST OF THE PROJECT WHICH ALSO HAVE PITCHED ROOFS.
SO IN SUMMARY, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST D, E, I, 22, 197 BE
REMANDED TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR REVIEW OF THESE
SPECIFIC ISSUES DETAILS.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME REGARDING THIS MATTER.
AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU.
4:33:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUBMIT THOSE INTO EVIDENCE, PLEASE?
4:33:50PM >> YES.
I WILL ORGANIZE THEM A LITTLE FIRST BECAUSE THEY GOT OUT OF
ORDER.
BUT YES, I WILL SUBMIT THE PRESENTATION INTO THE RECORD.
4:33:59PM >> DO YOU HAVE A COPY?
4:34:01PM >> YES.
4:34:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION?
SIR, DID YOU HAVE ANY --
4:34:12PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL,
PLEASE, AS WELL.
4:34:17PM >> I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?
4:34:19PM >> I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I GOT A REBUTTAL.

MY APOLOGIES.
4:34:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU DO -- I'M SORRY.
YOU REFER TO IT -- YOUR QUALIFICATIONS ALSO INTO THE RECORD?
4:34:33PM >> SURE.
I AM AN AIP CERTIFIED PLANNER.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE.
4:34:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM JUST ASKING WHEN YOU INTRODUCED
YOURSELF.
I'M SORRY.
4:34:47PM >> THAT'S OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
4:34:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MECHANIK.
4:34:55PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CITRO AND COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
I'M DAVID MECHANIK, 305 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER WHO IS PROPOSING THIS PROJECT.
USUALLY ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THESE PRESENTATIONS, SO THIS IS
A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR ME.
I AM GOING TO PASS OUT A NOTEBOOK WHICH CONTAINS, NO
SURPRISES, IT'S JUST SIMPLY A COPY OF THE RECORD OF THIS
APPLICATION WITH STAFF COMMENTS AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED TWO -- RESUMÉS OF TWO OF THE WITNESSES
WHICH I WILL BE CALLING, AND I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED A DETAILED
STATEMENT OF HOW THE APPLICATION PLAYS WITH THE CRITERIA

THAT YOUR STAFF MENTIONED EARLIER.
THE CRITERIA THAT YOU USE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE
DESIGN EXCEPTION MEATS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT DETAIL STATEMENT IS IN THERE.
I'LL BE REFERRING TO IT, BUT I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY POINT
BY POINT.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. JACOB EGAN WHO
IS THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR ONYX EAST.
HE ALSO HOLD A BACHELOR'S DEGREE AT HARBOR PLANNING AND WILL
TESTIFY AS AN EXPERT THIS AFTERNOON.
4:36:35PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M JACOB EGAN, 2002 EAST FOURTH AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I AM GOING TO JUST DISCUSS BRIEFLY KIND OF THE PROCESS WE
HAVE GONE THROUGH TO GET TO THE POINT TODAY.
WE DID HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2022,
ON FEBRUARY 16th, OUR FIRST COUNCIL HEARING WAS ON APRIL
28.
WE SUBMITTED THE DESIGN EXCEPTION APPLICATION ON MAY 16TH
AND WE ARE HERE TODAY ON SEPTEMBER 15th, SO WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING TO ADDRESS ISSUES OR ADDRESS PUBLIC CONCERNS ON THIS
APPLICATION FOR ABOUT A SEVEN MONTH TIME PERIOD NOW.
I AM GOING TO BE PRESENTING OR POINT TO THE ELMO SCREEN
HERE.
SO HIGH LEVEL, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE FROM
THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, WE HAVE ELIMINATED -- WE HAVE

REDUCED THE UNITS BY FIVE.
WE DID INCREASE THE SETBACK FROM 10 TO 25 FEET.
WE DID INCREASE THE BUILDING SEPARATION.
THEY INCREASED BACKUP WIDTH, MAINTAINED THE MAXIMUM BUILDING
HEIGHT, EXCEED PARKING AND PRESERVED ALL THE GRAND OAK TREES
ON THE SITE.
THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATION WHICH I WILL GET TO IN THE
PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE FUTURE SLIDES HERE, ABOUT PRESERVING THE
TRANSIT CORRIDOR THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY OF
TAMPA ALONG CYPRESS STREET.
IN THE PAST.
FROM PAST CONVERSATION.
THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE PRODUCT.
ANN BARKER WILL BE PRESENTING AFTER ME WHO IS THE ARCHITECT
ON THE PROJECT.
THIS IS SHOWING THE ANTERIOR COURTYARD.
THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE PROJECT SO YOU
DO SEE THE STEPS UP INTO THE UNIT WHICH IS A 24-INCH FINISH
FLOOR ELEVATION REQUIREMENT THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY, AS
WELL AS THE APPLICATION FOR UNITS FACING AN INTERIOR
COURTYARD VERSUS THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT ALL OF THE UNITS DO FACE WEST
CYPRESS STREET.
THE ONLY CONDITION WE ARE APPLYING FOR THAT IS THE SIDE ON
THE NORTH NEW JERSEY AVENUE.

THAT IS THE REAR OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THAT'S A LOADING
DOCK AND A DUMPSTER ACROSS THE STREET, AND A COMMERCIAL
BUILDING THAT ALSO FRONTS CYPRESS AND NOT NEW JERSEY AVENUE.
AGAIN, HERE IS THE ELEVATION.
I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARAPET ALONG THE
FRONT.
I KNOW AARON IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSING THAT FURTHER.
PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT VERY HIGH LEVEL IS WE TRIED TO
STICK WITH THE HISTORIC WEST TAMPA ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WHICH
IS A PREDOMINANT LIP A MEDITERRANEAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
WITH THAT STYLING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA YOU
ACTUALLY ARE NOT ALLOWED OR NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BUILDING
EXTRA PRODUCT, SO LENS THE PARAPET WALL FACADE ON THE FRONT
OF THIS BUILDING.
AGAIN, HERE IS THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS.
I'M SORRY.
THE BUILDING IN WHICH YOU SAW ON THE STAFF REPORT.
VERY BRIEFLY, I WANT TO PINPOINT THAT WE ARE BETWEEN MIDTOWN
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT
REACHES TOWARDS THE EAST TOWARDS DOWNTOWN TAMPA, IN
PROXIMITY, ABOUT A 15 MINUTE WALK FROM MIDTOWN, POINT SEVEN
MILES AWAY.
ONE ITEM I DID WANT TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE MIDTOWN PROJECT
IS ADJACENT DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OFF OF CYPRESS STREET.
YOU HAVE A BOUNDARY APARTMENT BUILDING WHICH WE ARE GOING TO

LOOK AT IN A SECOND TO THE EAST AND THEN YOU HAVE ARMORY
GARDENS DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH AND OAKFORD PARK DIRECTLY
SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE.
IN THE WAY OF HOUSING, AND THAT HAS BEEN NOT TO SPEND TOO
MUCH TIME ON THIS, I WANT TO SHOW PRICING AND WHAT IS GOING
ON IN THE CITY OF TAMPA RIGHT NOW IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD
SPECIFICALLY.
YOU CAN -- THESE ARE UPDATED AS OF 11:30 THIS MORNING.
THERE IS NOT A THREE BEDROOM UNIT FOR RENT IN THIS AREA FOR
UNDER $5,752 A MONTH.
THE PRICING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THE NEW HOME SALES, WE
HAVE ESTIMATED P AND I PAYMENT IN THE WEST TAMPA DISTRICT OF
$5,186 A MONTH.
ON A NEW HOME THAT COSTS $850,000.
IN THE OAKFORD PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU HAVE RIGHT DOWN HERE
$943,000 AVERAGE SALES PRICE WHICH IS A P AND I OF $5,700 A
MONTH.
AND THEN THE ARMORY GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD YOUR AVERAGE ASP IS
862,000.
4:41:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION.
YOU ARE SHOWING US ALL THESE FIGURES ON PRICING AND OTHER
THINGS.
I THOUGHT WE WERE HERE FOR JUST DESIGN EXCEPTION.
4:41:08PM >> YES.
AND I AM GETTING TO THAT.

4:41:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO OFFENSE TO YOU, AND I WILL LET YOU
CONTINUE, BUT PRICING --
4:41:17PM >> CAN I ANSWER THAT?
4:41:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE DO.
BUT AGAIN I THOUGHT WE WERE HERE FOR DESIGN EXCEPTION ONLY.
4:41:27PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
THE COVERAGE OF PLAN IS ONE THAT YOU
CONSIDER IN TERMS MUCH WHETHER OR NOT THIS DESIGN EXCEPTION
IS APPROPRIATE.
THE COVERAGE OF PLAN ENCOURAGES HOUSING TYPES, MULTIPLE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING TYPES, SO WE ARE SIMPLY
ADDRESSING THIS LINE OF ADDITIONAL HOUSING WHICH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ENCOURAGING TO BE ESTABLISHED ON A
MIXED USE CORRIDOR --
4:41:53PM >> I AM NOT DOUBTING YOU, BUT I SEE DIFFERENT SECTIONS HERE,
CRITERIA, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED ATTACHED STANDARD, WEST
TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT DESIGNS, ALTERNATIVE
DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PRICE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT PLEASE, GO AHEAD.
4:42:12PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
RESPECTFULLY, SECTION 27-60-B-5-C ASKS YOU
TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THE EXCEPTION ACHIEVES THE
GENERAL INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER, THAT IS THE ZONING CODE, AND
THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WE ARE ADDRESSING HOW HOUSING IS BEING PROVIDED,
NECESSARY HOUSING BEING PROVIDED AT THIS LOCATION.

4:42:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE CONTINUE.
4:42:42PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
THANK YOU.
4:42:42PM >> BACK TO JUST ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN HERE, I DID PROVIDE
EXAMPLES OF UNITS.
YOU CAN SEE THE ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD OF THE EXACT SAME
SIDE YARDS.
ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES ACTUALLY, I SHOULDN'T SAY ALL, HALF OF
THEM DO NOT HAVE DOORS LEADING TO IT SIDE STREETS SO IT JUST
PINPOINTS THE EXACT CRITERIA WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY, THAT
HAS BEEN BUILT AT THE ADDRESSES LISTED BELOW SHOWING THE
LACK OF DOORS OR FRONTING OF THE CORE STREET.
AND YOU SAW THE SAME ON THE WEST TIN TOWNHOMES BUILT IN WEST
TAMPA FROM CITY STAFF EARLIER.
IN REGARD TO THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION BEING 24 INCHES
ABOVE GRADE, THIS IS DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE SITE AND YOU CAN
SEE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES HERE.
THIS IS SIX HOMES WHERE NONE OF THESE HOMES ACTUALLY MEET
THAT REQUIREMENT.
THESE ARE EXISTING ON-SITE.
AND I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BE AARON BARKER.
4:43:47PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
JUST TO INTRODUCE MS. BARKER, MS. BARKER
HAS MASTERS DEGREE AT ARCHITECTURE, SHE HAS PRACTICED
ARCHITECTURE FOR 35 YEARS IN TAMPA.
MS. BARKER.
4:43:58PM >> THANK YOU.

I WOULD SAY ALMOST GOOD EVENING, BUT WE'LL START WITH GOOD
AFTERNOON.
I'M AARON BARKER, I'M THE DESIGN DIRECTOR AT SHARP DESIGN
STUDIO IN TAMPA.
AND I WILL BE ADDRESSING STREET FRONTAGES OF THE RESIDENTS
AND PORCHES AND LIVING AREA RELATIVE TO THE FINISHED GRADE.
SO ON THE STREET FRONTAGE OF CYPRESS, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT
OF OVERLAP.
THERE ARE SEVEN RESIDENCES WHICH DO FRONT, SIX OF WHICH
WHICH FRONT ON CYPRESS.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
STREET FRONTAGE ON CYPRESS.
SIX OF THE SEVEN HOMES FRONT CYPRESS WITH 24-INCH PORCHES
AND ENTRIES, WITHIN THE SAME BLOCK OF THIS DEVELOPMENT,
THERE ARE NINE EXISTING HOMES ON NASSAU AND ACELLA ONLY TWO
OF WHICH HAVE RAISED PORCHES CONSISTENT WITH THE 24 INCHES
ABOVE GRADE.
ALONG NEW JERSEY, WE DESIGNED A SECOND FRONT FACADE FOR THE
HOMES.
THESE HOMES INCORPORATE GLASS DOORS AND SHED ROOF ON THE
SIDE AS WELL ALONG ELEVATIONS OF NORTH NEW JERSEY AS WELL AS
CYPRESS, CONSIST OF THE SAME DETAILING, SO THERE ARE TWO
FRONTAGE BUILDINGS AS WHAT WE DESCRIBE THEM.
TO THE EAST AND THE WEST OF THE SITE ARE COMMERCIAL

BUILDINGS ALONG NORTH NEW JERSEY, WEST OF THE SITE.
THIS COMMERCIAL BUILDING WHICH FACES OUR SIDE BUILDINGS
HERE.
THE OTHER BUILDING, WHICH WAS REFERENCED EARLIER WITH A
PITCHED ROOF, THAT IS THE CASE, BUT THAT PITCHED ROOF IS ON
MacDILL.
THE SITE THAT FACES THIS IS THIS FLAT REF ON THE BACK OF
THAT BUILDING ON NORTH NEW JERSEY WHICH FACES OUR SITE AS
WELL AS OUR SECOND FRONTING BUILDING.
TO THE EAST OF THE SITE IS A VACANT PROPERTY, AND THE
DRAINAGE EASEMENT, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S PROPERTY OWNED BY
ALESSI DOLLARS.
THERE'S A STOREFRONT AND THE LARGER ALESSI'S FACILITY.
THERE IS NO EXTRA IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE
PROPOSED RESIDENCES CONTRIBUTE AND ENHANCE TO THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
JUST A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS IN REBUTTAL TO THE EARLIER
PRESENTATION, THE DESIGN EXCEPTION WAS FOR INTERIOR
COURTYARDS, PLAZAS OR SIMILAR.
A PLAZA IS AN OPEN SPACE IN A BUILT-UP AREA.
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS BUILDING ON CYPRESS IS A PARAPET
BUILDING.
IT'S A SMALL OFFICE.
RESIDENTIAL SCALE.
IT IS A PARAPET WITH A FLAT DECK ROOF ON THE BACK, AND OF

COURSE ON THE ADJACENT SITE ACROSS NEW JERSEY IS THIS
BUILDING WHICH TAKES UP THREE QUARTERS OF THE BLOCK FACING
OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS FLAT DECK ON THE BACK.
AND I THINK THAT'S IT SO I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO DAVID.
4:47:21PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
DAVID MECHANIK AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TRY TO RESPOND
TO SOME OF THE PETITIONER'S COMMENTS.
HE HAS TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND AN EASEMENT, NEITHER OF
WHICH ARE RELEVANT TO THE DESIGN EXCEPTION, BUT I WOULD
POINT OUT THAT AT LEAST IN RESPONSE, THE EASEMENT ISSUE HAS
BEEN WORKED OUT.
WE HAVE NO OBJECTION REGARDING THE EASEMENT.
MR. LAWRENCE APPARENTLY, IN HIS PETITION, STATED THAT HIS
OBJECTION OF THE BASIS FOR HIS FILING THE PETITION FOR
REVIEW IS BECAUSE OUR REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CODE
SECTIONS THAT WE ARE SEEKING AN EXCEPTION FROM.
WELL, IF THE BASIS OF THE OBJECTION IS THAT WE ARE
INCONSISTENT WITH THE CODE SECTION, THEN NO ONE COULD EVER
GET AN APPROVAL FOR DESIGN EXCEPTION.
THE CODE CLEARLY AND INTENTIONALLY CONTEMPLATES DESIGN
EXCEPTION WHEN YOU HAVE UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES OR
JUSTIFICATIONS.
I THINK YOUR STAFF IN ITS REPORT VERY ABLY ANSWERED HOW WE
ADDRESSED ALL OF THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE, AND THAT THE
EXCEPTIONS WERE IN FACT WARRANTED.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE -- AND I AM NOT SURE I TOTALLY
UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC HERE, BUT THE CODE WAS AMENDED EARLIER
THIS YEAR TO ALLOW FOR TOWN HOMES TO NOT HAVE TO GET A
DESIGN EXCEPTION IF THEY FACED A COURTYARD AS OPPOSED TO THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
FOR SOME REASON, THE CODE SECTION DEALING WITH SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED WAS NOT AMENDED, BUT IN MY MIND, THOSE TWO, TOWN
HOME OR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, YOU SAW WHAT THE PRODUCT
WAS, IS ESSENTIALLY A TOWN HOME, AND YET THE CODE WAS
CHANGED FOR TOWNHOMES BUT NOT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
BUT WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE ASKING FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION
IF WE WERE CALLED A TOWN HOME UNDER THE CODE.
SO WITH THAT I WILL CONCLUDE OUR INITIAL PRESENTATION AND WE
WILL PROBABLY OFFER COMMENTS ON REBUTTAL AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
4:49:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYONE WITHIN COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
COMMENT TO THE THIS?
I SEE ONE SPEAKER.
TWO.
I'M SURE MS. SANCHEZ IS THE THIRD. IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE
THAT IS GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE FORM A LINE TO MY LEFT, YOUR
RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE COME FORWARD.

4:50:21PM >> HELLO.
4:50:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
FIVE MINUTES.
IF YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE HERE AND ARE WAIVING
YOUR THREE MINUTES.
ONE MINUTE.
MARSHALL HAD TO LEAVE.
NICK JOHNSON.
THANK YOU.
MARK?
EMILY KUSAMOTO.
ADRIAN LARAMBE.
FOUR MINUTES ON TOP OF THE THREE, SEVEN.
4:51:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE PROCEED.
4:51:45PM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I REALLY APPRECIATE -- OH, I'M SORRY.
DEBBIE ZOMERMANND, 192 CORSICA STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33606.
FOLLOWING UP ON THE LAST COMMENTS, MY WHOLE PRESENTATION IS
CHANGING.
I AM A REGISTERED MUNICIPAL SECURITIES ADVISER.
I'M ALSO REGISTERED WITH THE SEC.
I'M IN MY 19th OR 20 YEARS AS A FINANCIAL ADVISER FOR A
HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY FOR A LARGE COUNTY IN FLORIDA.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE MUNICIPAL OR HOUSING INDUSTRY IN FLORIDA
SINCE 1993.

YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW CAROLYN WILSON.
SHE WAS MY CONSULATE FOR OVER 12 YEARS.
I WAS -- I PROVIDED EXPERT TESTIMONY IN HER COURT CASES.
I ALSO PROVIDED EXPERT TESTIMONY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING
MATTERS IN OTHER COUNTIES.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT I AM ABOUT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WORK ALL DAY EVERY DAY ON THIS.
IT'S MY PASSION.
IT'S MY CAREER.
THAT'S WHY I AM IN FRONT OF YOU.
IT IS CHANGES LIKE THIS THAT IS CREATING YOUR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING CRISIS.
YOU KEEP CHANGING THE CODES AND BUILDING A BIGGER
DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE, CREATING DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS, AND
$850,000 IS NOT AFFORDABLE FOR MOST PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.
MOST PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD A $5,000 MORTGAGE.
THIS IS BEING DONE UNDER AN R 24 ZONING DISTRICT.
WHEN I DID CODE ON THE DEVELOPER'S SIDE WHICH DOWN AT
INTERBAY AND LOIS, 176 UNITS ON 7.35 ACRES, THAT WAS THE
FIRST AFFORDABLE DEAL DOWN THERE, AND RM-24 IS TRADITIONALLY
A TWO OR THREE STORY WALK-UP APARTMENT WITH STAIRS.
THAT RM-24 ZONING IS BEING BASICALLY RUINED, I AM GOING TO
USE RUINED.
I WAS GOING DO USE A DIFFERENT WORD BUT I CAN'T SAY IT ON

THE RECORD.
IT'S BEING RUINED BY FORCING LESS UNITS WITHIN A GREATER
DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE ON A SITE THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE
THERE WITHOUT AN RM-24 ZONING DISTRICT. IN MANY COMMUNITIES
YOU ARE GOING TO SEE VERY NICE, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS THAT
WERE THERE BEING TORN DOWN.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TEN APARTMENTS, THEY SAY OH, WE'LL TEAR IT
DOWN AND HAVE LESS DENSITY.
WELL, YOU WILL HAVE TEN APARTMENTS AROUND A THOUSAND SQUARE
FOOT, YOU TEAR THEM DOWN AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE
FOUR CONDOS THAT START AT 850 OR IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
COMMUNITY A MILLION TWO AND NO ONE CAN AFFORD IT AND WE
DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY ARE LIVING HERE.
SO THESE EXCEPTIONS ARE HAVING HUGE ADVERSE IMPLICATIONS ON
THE HOUSING ABILITY TO PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD SOMETHING 800
AND ABOVE.
NOW, THAT SAID, STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ON EVERYTHING AND
I THINK THEY ARE SWAMPED.
THIS IS JUST A HAVE BEEN REGURGITATION OF THE PD.
WE MAKE ALL THE SAME COMMENTS IN THE PD.
THEIR OWN SITE PLANS HAVE -- IT IS NOT THE GARAGE SIDE, AND
I TOOK THIS FROM MR. MECHANIK'S HANDOUTS SO I APPRECIATE
THAT HE BROUGHT THIS.
THE FRONT FACING THE EASTERN SAID WHICH APPEARS WHERE THAT
STORMWATER SEWAGE AREA IS AND THIS FRONT, THE PROPERTIES

THEMSELVES ENCROACH ON THE EASEMENT AND IF THAT'S CHANGED IT
WASN'T IN THE RECORD YESTERDAY.
THE REAR, WHICH IS THE GARAGE, IS WHAT FACE WAS THEY ARE
CALLING A COURTYARD.
IT'S A DRIVEWAY.
IT'S NOT A COURTYARD.
AND I THINK DEFINITIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY OUR
PROFESSIONAL EXPERT DEMONSTRATE THAT'S NOT A COURTYARD.
THIS DOES CONFLICT WITH SECTIONS 27-41, 27-282-11, 27-288 ON
THE 99, 27-241, 27-06, 27-129-6 AND 27-129-7.
NOW, IN ADDRESSING MR. MECHANIK'S COMMENTS ABOUT, WELL, WE
WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS, YOU HAVE TO
REMEMBER THAT A DESIGN EXCEPTION 1 IS FOR MINOR DESIGN
CHANGES.
IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE GOT 12 OF THE 42 HOMES FACING THE SIDE
YARD, WHICH TYPICALLY IS AN INACTIVE AREA.
AND THIS WILL REPLICATE OUR EXPERT SAID, WILL CREATE
REPLICATE THE DESIGN STANDARD.
WHAT YOU LIVED NEXT DOOR TO THESE 12 UNITS, IT'S MID NIGHT,
PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE, WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A
MORE PASSIVE AREA, NOW HAS PEOPLE SAYING GOOD-BYE AT
MIDNIGHT ON SATURDAY, DOGS RUNNING IN AND OUT.
THIS IS GOING TO CREATE HUGE PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE IN YOUR
CITY.
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE-OH SOMEONE SHOULDN'T HAVE 12 UNITS FACING

THEIR SIDE YARD.
THAT'S NOT HOW THE CODE IS WRITTEN.
AND THE CODE I SUBMITTED THIS MANY, MANY TIMES, HAS VERY
SPECIFIC DIRECTION OF WHAT SHALL IS MANDATORY FOR YOUR CODE.
SHALL IS ALL OVER THE DISTRICT.
SHALL IS ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CODE THAT I HAVE
REFERENCED.
SO IF SHALL DOESN'T MEAN SHALL, THEN YOU NEED TO TELL US WHY
27-41 SAYS THAT SHALL IS MANDATORY AND YOU CAN DO SOMETHING
THAT'S NOT MANDATORY IN A MANDATORY AREA.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE HUGELY FRUSTRATED.
WE GO IN, WE WORK HARD, WE HAVE GOT -- WORK VERY HARD ON
THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND INTENTIONALLY PUT IN THE WORD
SHALL, AND SHE CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
OF I WON'T SPEAK ON HER BEHALF.
BUT IF WE WORK ON THESE WORDS, WE GET THESE CODES IN, AND
THEN OUR WORD ARE JUST IGNORED, IT'S A WASTE OF EVERYBODY'S
TIME.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE.
SO THERE ARE 29% OF THE UNITS THAT ARE FACING THE SIDE.
I THINK THAT'S NOT MINOR.
I THINK THE 29% THAT DO NOT FACE AN INTERIOR COURTYARD, THAT
IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
WE GOT AN ORIENTATION.
THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING.

OKAY.
THE PERSON HERE, YOU MIGHT NOTICE, IT'S A FOOTBALL OUTFIT,
THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE IN PARTS OF THE CODE ARE SUPPOSED TO
HAVE WINDOWS, RIGHT?
WELL, THIS IS A MOCKUP. IT'S TOM BRADY.
LOOK AT THE FOOTBALL HELMET.
IF TOM BRADY WAS WALKING BY, THAT'S WHERE HE WOULD RELATE TO
THIS WINDOW.
SO IS THAT THE INTENT OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHERE THEY
WANT BASICALLY A FACADE THAT IS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY?
AND THEN LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING PLANS.
ARE THEY GOING TO REALLY BE REQUIRED TO PLACE THESE TWO
TREES THERE, OR REMEMBER ALL OF NEW JERSEY, YOU ARE GOING TO
SEE THIS, RIGHT?
AND YOU ARE GOING TO ALSO SEE IT ON THE FRONT OF CYPRESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
IF THEY DON'T YOU JUST HAVE A PLAIN WALL.
TO GO INTO THE PARAPET ROOF, THEY NEVER PUT IN THE PLANS ON
THE ROOF.
THE BIGGEST THING IS --
[BELL SOUNDS]
I WILL BE QUICK F.THERE'S ANYTHING ON THAT ROOF THAT
CONTRIBUTES TO HEIGHT, WHICH ROOF, THE PITCHED ROOF WOULD,
OR IF THERE ARE SEPARATIONS BETWEEN THOSE TOWNHOMES, IT HAS
TO BE INCLUDED IN THE HEIGHT DEFINITION.

THE PARAPET WALL IS EXCLUDED BUT THE OTHER STUFF ISN'T.
WE DON'T EVEN WHAT'S UP THERE.
IF THE PUBLIC CAN'T RELY ON THE WORDS IN THE CODE, WE JUST
DON'T KNOW WHERE WE TURN TO.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS NOT CASTING HUGE STEPS, OVERWHELMED,
AND THIS IS JUST THE PD IN ANOTHER FORM WITH NONE OF THE
ISSUES CORRECTED.
[BELL SOUNDS]
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WAITING FOR US TILL THIS TIME.
AND I AM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:59:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
4:59:08PM >> OH, AND MAY I PUT MY COMMENTS, MY HANDOUTS AS A
REFERENCE, PLEASE?
4:59:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SURELY.
5:00:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE SEVEN MINUTES.
5:01:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND ECHEVERIA?
5:01:17PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
5:01:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S FOUR MINUTES, IF SHE COMES BACK.
IS THAT OKAY, MR. CHAIR?
5:01:42PM >> I'M SORRY?
I SAID NORMA AND KATHERINE.
IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER AFTER THIS?
YES, MS. SANCHEZ.
5:02:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE PROCEED.

5:02:13PM >> CARLOS RAMIREZ, 2103 WEST COMMERCE STREET.
I LIVE A FEW BLOCKS SOUTH OF CYPRESS AND NORTH OF THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THIS IS MY ROUTE TO MIDTOWN, TO DALE MABRY,
TO GO TO TARGET, HOME DEPOT, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS MULTIPLE
TRIPS EACH TIME YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND WESTSHORE AS
WELL.
SO I TRAVEL THIS OFTEN.
AND I WILL MAKE IT VERY QUICK.
THE CONCERN FOR ME IS THE RELEASE OF THIS PERMANENT EASEMENT
AND I WILL TIE IT BACK TO THE DESIGN EXCEPTION AT THE END
HERE.
HERE IS A SITE PLAN.
I JUST ADDED SOME COLORED BOXES.
THE PURPLE IS THE WHOLE EASEMENT.
THE BLUE BOX IS JUST THE SECTION THAT THEY WANT TO BE
RELEASED SO THEY CAN DO THEIR BUILDINGS.
THIS DID GO THROUGH THE REVIEW, AND STORMWATER DID FIND IT
CONSISTENT WITH THE CONDITION TO NOT BUILD ON IT UNTIL THEY
WERE ABLE TO GET ALL THAT, OR ANY PERMITS AS WELL.
THIS IS MR. RODRIGUEZ' REPORT HERE, THE STORMWATER MEMO.
AND THAT IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AS OF
TODAY THAT SAYS NO TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT EASEMENT FOR THE
UTILITY EASEMENT -- I'M SORRY, PERMANENT STRUCTURE AND ALSO
FOR THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS WELL.
OTHER INFORMATION, THE TECO EASEMENT THAT JUST WAS APPROVED,

THAT ALSO SAYS THE SAME LANGUAGE, THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BUILD
ANYTHING PERMANENT WITHIN THE EASEMENT.
SO WE ALL KNOW THIS AREA, WE ALL KNOW IT FLOODS A LOT.
SO THAT IS THE MAIN CONCERN.
AND THE DESIGN HERE SHOWN IN RED, YOU CAN SEE THAT RED IS
THAT FRONT WALL, THE ENTRYWAY TO THE BUILDING AND THAT
ENCROACHING ON THAT EASEMENT WHICH IS WHY THEY WANT TO BE
RELEASE THAT SECTION OF IT.
BUT THIS IS THE DRAINAGE.
THIS IS ON A NORMAL RAIN EVENT.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT DITCH.
AND I DON'T HAVE VIDEO BUT IF YOU WERE TO WATCH THE VIDEO,
AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO CIRCULATE AROUND, SO YOU MIGHT HAVE
SEEN IT.
THIS WATER FLOWS PRETTY FAST, AND IT GOES DOWN.
OVER HERE IS THE SITE THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING.
HERE ARE THE HOME DEPOT HERE.
CYPRESS IS RIGHT UP HERE.
THAT'S HOW MUCH IT FLOODS.
WHEN IT'S A NORMAL RAIN E., AND THAT IS WITH ALL THAT GREEN
SPACE.
SO AS THIS AREA STARTS GETTING MORE DEVELOPED, THERE'S GOING
TO BE LESS PERMEABLE LAND, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE
WATER GOING INTO THESE STORMWATER DITCHES.
SO IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF

IMPROVEMENTS.
I ALSO HAPPEN TO BE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER LICENSED IN
FLORIDA, SO WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WHEN WE ARE DOING SOME KIND
OF DRAINAGE IS WE TRY TO MAKE A WIDER DITCH, NOT DEEP BUT
WIDER?
BECAUSE IT MAKES THE WATER FLOW A LITTLE FASTER AND GETS IT
OUT OF THE WAY QUICKER.
SO THIS DIAGRAM HERE SHOWS WHERE THE DITCH IS, AND IN THE
EASEMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS WAY ON THE EAST SIDE, SO IF THERE
WERE TO BE ANY KIND OF WIDENING OR IMPROVEMENTS IT WOULD
HAVE TO BE DONE ON THE WEST SIDE WHICH IS WHERE THAT RELEASE
OF EASEMENT IS.
SO THE CONCERN HERE IS, IF WE APPROVE THIS DESIGN EXCEPTION,
THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH THIS WITH, THIS SMALL
CORRIDOR TO FIX ANY FUTURE DRAINAGE OR ANY FUTURE FLOODING
THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, OR IF IT'S DENIED, THEN THEY CAN GO BACK
AND DO A NEW SITE PLAN THAT DOESN'T ENCROACH AND DOESN'T
HAVE TO BE RELEASED.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HERE TO ANSWER THEM.
5:06:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
5:06:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. SANCHEZ HAS THREE ANYPLACE.
MARLA GRANT.
THERE YOU ARE.
JANICE KATZ.

LARRY KATZ.
THANK YOU.
THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES.
5:06:58PM >> WELL, GENTLEMEN, THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE LEFT FOR ME TO
SAY.
WE HAD OUR PROFESSIONAL FOLKS COME UP HERE AND TALK TO YOU.
WE DID NOT EXPECT THE RAZZLE DAZZLE FROM THE DEVELOPERS.
BUT WHAT ELSE CAN YOU EXPECT?
5:07:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
5:07:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:

5:07:18PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
SANDY SANCHEZ, 2705 FIG STREET, ARMORY GARDENS COMMUNITY.
AS I WAS SAYING WE EXPECTED TO DISCUSS THE DESIGN EXCEPTION
AND NOTHING ELSE.
OBVIOUSLY, THE DEVELOPERS CAME IN WITH THEIR RAZZLE DAZZLE
AS THEY USUALLY DO.
AND THAT IS THE INTENTION OF THE OVERLAYS IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, IS TO PROTECT US FROM THE BULLIES, THE DEVELOPERS
THAT JUST PUSH THEIR WAY THROUGH.
THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY WAS DESIGNED TO MAINTAIN THE
CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO KEEP OUR QUALITY OF
LIFE IN PLACE.
THE CREATORS OF THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY WORK TIRELESSLY TO
ENGAGE THE COMMUNITIES IN PUBLIC OUTREACH SESSIONS TO
FURTHER INCLINE THE COMMUNITY IN THE LONG RANGE PLANNING

PROCESS.
IT WAS CREATIVELY THOUGHT, COMPASSION, COMMUNITY
INVOLVEMENT, AND THE EXPERTISE OF CITY STAFF, THE CITY
ORDINANCES CONFIRMED BY THESE COMMUNITIES, APPROVED BY CITY
PLANNERS, TO HELP CREATE THE DOCUMENT AND BY YOU, THIS CITY
COUNCIL.
WE WORK DILIGENTLY TO BE A SURE THE OVERLAY LANGUAGE WAS
MANDATORY BY USING THE WORD "SHALL."
WE ATTEMPTED TO MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
THE CHANGES WERE INTENDED TO ENSURE THAT THE LANGUAGE WITHIN
THE OVERLAY WAS A REQUIREMENT, NOT AN OPTION.
THE WORD "SHALL" MEANS MANDATORY.
PLEASE, REMEMBER THAT.
THE REVISED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL
ON FEBRUARY 4th, 2021.
THIS CHANGE ANY DESIGN EXCEPTION CONFLICTING WITH 27-241.
AS THIS DEVELOPMENT IN CONTEXT WITH THE CODE INCLUDING BUT
NOT LIMITED BUILDING ORIENTATION, ROOF BITCH, MINIMUM FLOOR
HEIGHT, UNPRECEDENTED PARAPET WALLS AND HEIGHT, THE DESIGN
EXCEPTION SHOULD BE DENIED.
THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY IS PRIMARY ABOVE ALL ZONING
DECISIONS.
IT TAKES PRIORITY.
THERE ARE OVER 2,000 RESIDENCES, PRIVATE RESIDENCES WHO TAKE
GUIDANCE UNDER THIS OVERLAY.

IT IS OUR GOAL TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND TO KEEP THE
DIVERSITY ECONOMICALLY SOUND.
EVERY TIME YOU OVERTURN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY OR ANY
OVERLAY WITHIN THE CITY, YOU ARE TELLING THE COMMUNITY THAT
YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM, AND YOU EMPHASIZE THEIR ATTEMPTS
TO KEEP AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE NOT IMPORTANT, THAT
POTENTIALLY THAT IS JUST A BIG CHARADE.
PLEASE, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE COMMITTED THESE
COMMUNITIES TO PROTECT -- PROTEST THIS PROJECT.
WE EVEN HIRED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO HELP US WITH THIS.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAYS SHOULD SPEAK TO THEMSELVES.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE POINT THAT A COMMUNITY HAS GOT TO BE
PAY SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND HELP PROTECT US, THERE IS
SOMETHING WRONG.
WE HAVE GIVEN YOU CLEAR AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THIS
PROJECT SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
PLEASE DENY THIS PETITIONER.
THANK YOU.
5:10:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO STILL
WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR, CAN YOU HEAR US?
MS. POYNOR?
CAN'T SEE HER, CAN'T HEAR HER.

5:11:08PM >> CAN YOU LAWYER ME NOW?
5:11:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I CAN SEE YOU AND HEAR YOU NOW.
5:11:16PM >> I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN.
5:11:19PM >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
5:11:24PM >> I DO.
MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I'M SORRY, COUNCIL.
EXCUSE ME.
IT SEEMS THIS NEW THING IS COMING AROUND AND I KEEP SEEING
IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN RECENTLY. DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN OLD
TIME THAT'S COME BACK OR WHAT.
BUT IT'S LIKE LET'S THROW THE CAKE AT THE WALL AND SEE WHAT
ACTUALLY STICKS.
WE ARE SEEING THINGS COME AS REZONING, OR PDS, AND THEN COME
BACK AS DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WHERE THEY COME BACK AS AN SU-1,
AND IT'S JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE YOUR HEAD POP OFF.
AND SO I REALLY -- IT MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT THE AUTHENTICITY
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON A REGULAR BASIS AND I AM SEEING IT
MORE AND MORE OFTEN, WE SEE THESE PROJECTS KIND OF
DISAPPEAR, FADE AWAY INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT THIS
DEVELOPER HAS ASKED FOR THE REZONING AND NOW HERE WE ARE
WITH THE -- PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THE DEVELOPER HE'S REDUCTION
FROM 47 TO 24 AS A GIFT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IN THE

REZ, THEY WERE ASKING FOR A RELEASE OF EASEMENT.
THERE WAS 6300 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT WAS ALL THE ROOM FOR THOSE FIVE EXTRA UNITS THAT
THEY WERE ASKING FOR.
THIS IS NOT A GIFT.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT $850,000, GENERALS
CANNOT AFFORD THAT.
MOST DOCTORS WHO ARE NOT WORKING AT HOSPITALS CANNOT AFFORD
THAT.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE AT LEAST $150,000 A YEAR TO AFFORD THAT.
NO.
ON CITY COUNCIL'S SALARY.
SO I JUST NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE NO GIFTS
GIVEN ON THIS.
THIS DEVELOPER HASN'T BACKED AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT THEY
BROUGHT TO THE TABLE TO START WITH EXCEPT FOR THEIR
OVERWHELMING EXPECTATION THAT PEOPLE SHOULD GIVE THEM GIFTS
FOR BUILDING THINGS THAT WAY OUT OF ANYBODY'S PRAISE RANGE
TO REALISTICALLY LIVE IN.
OH, BY THE WAY, LOOK AT THE SCHOOL ZONES AROUND THERE.
ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO MOVE IN AND BECOME PART OF THE
COMMUNITY BY SENDING KIDS TO THOSE LOCAL SCHOOLS?
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
5:13:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.

MR. MECHANIK, I WILL ALSO AFFORD YOU THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME
FOR R FOR REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.
5:14:02PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
THANK YOU.
I DON'T THINK I WILL NEED IT BUT THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR THE RECORD, DAVID MECHANIK.
LET ME ADDRESS MS. POYNOR'S COMMENTS FIRST SINCE THEY ARE
MOST FRESH IN MY MIND.
WE NEVER ONCE SAID THAT WE WERE GIVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD A
GIFT.
AND IT'S LIKE THEY ARE SORT OF SETTING UP A STRAW MAN TO
KNOCK HIM DOWN.
WE NEVER STEAD THAT.
WE NEVER SAID THE UNITS WERE GOING TO BE 800,000.
BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THIS APPLICATION.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR RAZZLE DAZZLE, BUT THEY ARE THE
ONES WHO ARE RAISING ISSUES THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE DESIGN
EXCEPTION.
MS. ZOMERMAAND TALKS ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT CODE SECTIONS THAT
WE ARE NOT SEEKING AN EXCEPTION FROM.
SHE IS SAYING THAT SHE'S OBJECTING TO TREES AT THE WINDOWS
OUR OR LANDSCAPING IN THE WINDOWS.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE FACADE
REQUIREMENTS, WINDOW TREATMENT, OR LANDSCAPING.
SO THEY ARE ATTACKING THINGS THAT WERE WE ARE NOT ASKING
FOR.

IT REALLY IS PUZZLING.
AND THIS EASEMENT KEEPS ON BEING BROUGHT UP, WHICH AGAIN IS
NOT RELEVANT, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD
THAT MY CLIENT HAS GRANTED TECO AN EASEMENT, WHICH WILL
REPLACE THE EXISTING EASEMENT.
TECO'S OBJECTION TO RELEASE OF THE EASEMENT HAS BEEN
WITHDRAWN AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THE RECORD OF THE OTHER
APPLICATION OF THAT WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT.
I DIDN'T EVEN BRING ANY INFORMATION WITH ME TODAY BECAUSE IT
WASN'T RELEVANT TO BE THIS PROCEEDING, AND I WOULD SIMPLY
ASK COUNCIL TO CONFINE ITSELF TO THE POINTS, AND I HOPE YOUR
LEGAL DEPARTMENT WILL CLARIFY WHAT EXACTLY IS RELEVANT TO
YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND IT'S THOSE FIVE CRITERIA THAT ANDY
SO ELOQUENTLY ADDRESSED IN HIS PRESENTATION.
HE SAID THAT OUR REQUEST WAS REASONABLE, WAS NOT EXCESSIVE,
AND THAT THE INTENT OF THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY.
YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF, URBAN DESIGN STAFF, AND I BELIEVE
YOU SHOULD AFFORD HIM THE RESPECT THAT HE DESERVES IN
DEVELOPING HIS REPORT.
I NEED TO INTRODUCE INTO THE RECORD THE EXHIBITS THAT MR.
EGAN PRESENTED EARLIER.
WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.
THANK YOU.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THE STAFF'S LETTER.
THANK YOU.

5:17:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
5:17:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEN'S OF COUNCIL, JUST OF
A REMINDER, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT DOES
HAVE THE SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED, AND YOU
ALSO HAVE THE CRITERIA THAT'S ON PAGE 2 OF THE STAFF REPORT,
AND ALSO IN THE PACKET THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED AT THE START OF
THE HEARING, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU, WHEN MAKING REFERENCE
TO YOUR DECISIONS, YOU APPLY THE CRITERIA AS SET FORTH, IF
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE THE HEARING
CLOSES -- I'M SORRY.
THE PETITIONER STILL HAS REBUTTAL.
OKAY.
5:18:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PETITIONER.
5:18:06PM >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND.
I RESPECTFULLY --
5:18:26PM >> MA'AM, YOU HAVE HAD YOUR TIME.
5:18:27PM >> SO I OBVIOUSLY IN DEFERRING NOW TO YOUR WISDOM AND
EXPERTISE.
WE HAVE USED A LOT OF YOUR TIME TODAY ON THIS ISSUE AND I
WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT.
SO THAT IS MY ENTIRE REBUTTAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
5:18:40PM >> GOOD EVENING.
SO WE KNOW STAFF -- THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY REMISS.
WE ARE NOT SEEING WHETHER ANYTHING, AT LEAST FROM MY

PERSPECTIVE IS RIGHT OR WRONG.
WE ARE JUST STATING THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS THAT
WERE NOT REQUESTED.
FOR THE ROOF PITCH, THAT'S ONE IN PARTICULAR.
SO THE APPLICATIONS, THE DESIGN EXCEPTION ONE APPLICATIONS
FOR MINOR DESIGN CHANGES.
SO REALLY, WE FEEL THAT THESE ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT
CONSTITUTES MINOR, AND AGAIN IN MY PRESENTATION, I ALSO
POINTED OUT THAT WE DISAGREE ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF A
COURTYARD.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
5:19:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:19:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO WE ARE HERE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS
HERE ASKING THAT WE OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATIVE
APPROVAL, RATE
YES, SIR?
5:20:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AND THE CRITERIA
UPON WHICH YOU BASE YOUR DECISION.
5:20:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OVERTURN STAFF'S APPROVAL OF

DESIGN EXCEPTION DE 1-2-197 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3003
WEST CYPRESS STREET BECAUSE THE PETITIONER HAS DEMONSTRATED
THE APPLICATION IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE CITY OF
TAMPA CODE SECTION SET FORTH HEREIN IN 27-60, 27-241 E-2-C
.7 AND 21-282.9-C, AND THAT IS FOUND IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR
THE DESIGN EXCEPTION, THE CODE SECTIONS THAT I HAVE
MENTIONED, AND THAT'S IT.
5:21:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SECOND THAT.
5:21:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:21:09PM >> I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
OKAY.
5:21:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
5:21:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THE QUESTION IS, DID YOU CALL FOR
DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
5:21:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYBODY WANTING TO DISCUSS?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:21:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:21:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:21:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:21:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:21:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:

5:21:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
5:21:43PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

5:21:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
INFORMATION REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:22:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
[OFF MICROPHONE]
UM, JUST REALLY QUICK, I HAVE A COUPLE INCLUDING ONE NEXT
WEEK CHANGING --
5:22:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
IF WE COULD PLEASE QUIETLY LEAVE CHAMBERS WHILE WE ARE
CARRYING ON THE REST OF OUR BUSINESS.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE PROCEED.
5:22:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
FIRST I MOTION, THE FOREST HILLS COMMUNITY CENTER AND PARK
IS HAVING CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING DONE, AND
SHIRLEY RISLER WORKED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THAT PARK
FOR MANY YEARS RECENTLY RETIRED AND I WOULD MOTION TO HAVE
CITY COUNCIL REQUEST TO HAVE A SECTION OF THOSE PARK
IMPROVEMENTS AT THE DISCRETION OF ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF
NAMED AFTER SHIRLEY, AND THAT THAT COME BACK TO US, THE
FIRST WEEK IN NOVEMBER.
5:22:57PM >> SECOND.
5:23:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
EXCUSE ME.

IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
5:23:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT I MOTION, YESTERDAY I WENT TO A GRADUATION PROGRAM THAT
INCLUDED OUR ASSISTANT AIDE, CONNOR DARKEN, WHICH IS A
PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN McDONALD'S TRAINING CENTER AND LOWRY
PARK ZOO WHICH SEEKS TO TAKE INDIVIDUALS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS,
SOME WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES, AUTISM, DIFFERENT TYPES
OF ISSUES AND GIVE THEM INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS TO TRAIN THEM,
ET CETERA, GET THEM READY FOR WORK, SO TO SPEAK.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
WHERE WE HAVE TEN DEPARTMENTS, EACH HAVE ONE INTERN, WITH
SPECIAL NEEDS BE THERE, HOPEFULLY BEING PAID $15 AN HOUR, IF
YOU HIRE TEN INDIVIDUALS 15 HOURS A WEEK, $15, THAT DOESN'T
COST MORE THAN 90 OR $100,000 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND SO
I'M NOT MAKING -- I GUESS I CAN'T MAKE ANY MOTIONS ON THE
BUDGET, BUT I AM SPEAKING TO THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT I WILL BE
BRINGING UP ON I GUESS IT IS TUESDAY EVENING FOR
CONSIDERATION IN THE BUDGET.
SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT COSTING A LOT, ET CETERA.
BUT MR. SHELBY, AM I ALLOWED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR SUPPORTING
THAT IN THE BUDGET OR SHOULD I WAIT TILL TUESDAY?
5:24:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNFORTUNATELY I STEPPED OUTSIDE AND MESSED
WHAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING.
BUT MY SUGGESTION IS THAT IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF SOMETHING
THAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND IT'S TO THE BUDGET THAT YOU SAVE IT

FOR THE BUDGET MEETING.
5:24:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THEN I WILL SAVE IT.
5:24:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS THE SAFEST WAY.
5:24:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIRD IF I MAY, NEXT WEEK I GUESS WE HAVE THE
CHARTER REVIEW WORKSHOP.
I HAVE A DISABILITY HOUSING WORKSHOP ITEM ON THERE.
I AM MOVING TO TAKE THAT OFF AND MOVE THAT TO FEBRUARY OF
2023, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY ITEMS ON THERE.
AND I WANT IT TO GET CONSIDERATION.
5:25:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
5:25:08PM >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
5:25:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I TOOK SOMETHING OFF AND I AM ASKING FOR FIVE MINUTES ON
THAT DAY.
YESTERDAY I MET WITH SOME OF OUR FRIENDS THAT ALL OF US
SUPPORT, RISE UP FOR PEACE AND SOME COMMUNITY PARTNERS ARE
LOOKING TO DO A TURKEY DRIVE, THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR
COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO BE ASSIST AND HELP, AND I AM ASKING IF
THEY CAN COME ON I GUESS IT'S NEXT WEEK NO MORE THAN FIVE
MINUTES.
TO VERY BRIEFLY SPEAK OF IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING
TO MAKE THEIR APPEAL TO THE PUBLIC TO BE PLACED ON THE
AGENDA.

AGAIN IT WOULD TAKE FIVE MINUTES, ET CETERA.
5:25:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THAT NEXT WEEK?
5:25:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, AND IT'S JUST FIVE MINUTES.
5:25:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD SUPPORT.
THAT IT'S JUST FIVE MINUTES.
NOT THE USUAL CIRCUMSTANCES BUT WHY NOT?
SECOND.
5:25:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM NOT GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING
ELSE.
5:26:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE WORKSHOP BEFORE THAT.
5:26:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES IT HAVE TO BE DONE --
5:26:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT IT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE
IT'S FOR THANKSGIVING.
5:26:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T MIND.
5:26:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
5:26:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THEN LASTLY, IF I MAY, AND I HOPE COUNCIL
WILL INDULGE ME, I HAVE NOT SPOKEN A GREAT DEAL TODAY AND
IT'S 5:30.
I WANT TO SPEAK JUST FOR TWO MINUTES, IF I MAY, ON THE ISSUE
THAT MR. WHITMORE, I THINK HIS NAME IS, THE NICE GENTLEMAN
IN THE BOW TIE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THE MEG RANTS.
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION IF I MAY TO HAVE A TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL LETTER SENT TO TALLAHASSEE, THE STATE OF FLORIDA,

GOVERNOR DESANTIS, ON THE MOVE BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO, IT
APPEARS WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, SHIP IT APPEARS
40 OR 50 INDIVIDUAL, MANY OF WHOM ARE FROM VENEZUELA,
FLEEING A MARXIST REGIME IN CALIFORNIA AND -- VENEZUELA AND
SHIP THEM OVER IN WHAT I THINK IS A GROSSLY POLITICAL MOVE
TO CONTROL PEOPLE, TO MAKE HIS BASE ANGRIER, AND TO MOVE
THEM TO MASSACHUSETTS.
TO DO A LETTER OPPOSING THAT.
I HEAR THE GOVERNOR OFTEN TALKS ABOUT THE ARMOR OF GOD,
THOSE THAT PUT ON THE ARMOR OF GOD.
WELL, I WAS RAISED IN CHURCH.
I PROBABLY WENT TO CHURCH GROWING UP AS A KID THREE OR FOUR
TIMES A WEEK AND EVERYTHING OF THIS MOVE IS CONTRARY TO WHAT
I LEARNED AT CHURCH.
IT REALLY WHEN I READ ABOUT IT, IT REALLY MADE ME ANGRY FOR
MANY, MANY, MANY REASONS.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, MY FAMILY LEFT CUBA IN 1960 AS POLITICAL
REFUGEES FLEEING CASTRO, COMMUNISM, MARXISM, ET CETERA.
AND FOR ME THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE AS FLORIDA.
WE ARE GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM A FLORIDA THAT
RESPECTS NOT ONLY HUMAN RIGHTS AND TOLERANCE AND DECENCY BUT
I THINK OUR LEGACY AS A STATE THAT HAS MANY REFUGEES FLEEING
COMMUNISM AND MARXISM, ET CETERA, FROM LATIN AMERICA, ACTION
A CITY OF TAMPA, WE WELCOME REFUGEES FROM PLACES LIKE SYRIA,
AFGHANISTAN, UKRAINE, CUBA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA,

SO THIS GOES AGAINST OUR VALUES.
SO FOR ME THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY OFFENSIVE, VERY,
VERY OFFENSIVE, AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR OUR CITY TO
FORMALLY TAKE A STANCE AGAINST THAT.
5:28:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
5:28:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE --
5:28:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, I CAN DO IT.
5:28:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOUR OFFICE TO SEND OUT A LETTER, IS THAT
CORRECT?
5:28:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S CORRECT.
5:29:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND THAT.
5:29:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY VIERA, SECOND BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
5:29:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
5:29:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:29:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE NOTHING, SIR.
5:29:19PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:29:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST, AT OUR CRA MEETING, WE HEARD FROM YBOR ABOUT THE
PARKING ISSUE.
AND THE CURRENT LAW IS WRITTEN REQUIRES PARKING LOT
OPERATORS TO STOP THOSE LAWS, AND THE RESULT IS THAT
TAXPAYER RESOURCES ARE BEING ALLOCATED IN THE FORM OF TAMPA
POLICE OFFICERS BEING PULLED FROM OTHER LOCATIONS TO RESPOND

TO CRIME HAPPENING IN THESE UNMONITORED PARKING LOTS.
THE STATUS QUO IS A THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND IS FORCING
TAMPA RESIDENTS TO FOOT THE BILL FOR SERVICES THAT ARE
REQUIRED BY CITY ORDINANCE TO BE PROVIDED BY THE PRIVATE
PARKING LOT OPERATORS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE APPROPRIATE CITY
STAFF TO REVIEW AND RETURN WITH ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO
IMPROVE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF PARKING LOTS IN YBOR AS
REQUIRED UNDER SECTION 27-178 AND TO SPECIFICALLY REVIEW
SECTION 27-178 SUBSECTION C CONCERNING PERSONNEL REQUIREMENT
AND EXPLAIN ITS ETC. ENFORCEMENT.
5:30:32PM >> SECOND.
5:30:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DECEMBER 1st SOUNDS FABULOUS.
5:30:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER
HURTAK WITH A SECOND FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
YES, MA'AM?
5:30:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
AND ON THE BOTTOM OF ALL THE PAPERWORK ON YOUR DESKS TODAY
WAS SOMETHING I DROPPED OFF INITIALLY, RESOLUTION SUPPORTING
A RESOLUTION EXPRESSING STRONG SUPPORT FOR ALL FOR
TRANSPORTATION PLAN ON THE NOVEMBER 8th, 2022 BALLOT
AFFIRMING THE SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR INVESTMENT IN

TRANSPLANTATION TRANSPORTATION TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF
LIFE FOR ALL TAMPA RESIDENTS RECOGNIZING THE TREMENDOUS
GROWTH IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT
WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AFFIRMING THE NEED TO
REDUCE CONGESTION, IMPROVE ROADS, AND BUS SERVICE, INCREASE
TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS AND IMPROVE SAFETY, THAT THE ALL FOR
TRANSPORTATION PLAN WILL ADDRESS URGING ALL CITY OF TAMPA
VOTERS TO SUPPORT THE PLAN, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:31:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
5:31:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO READ THE BE IT RESOLVED SO
EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE ARE AGREEING TO.
SECTION 1, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION PLAN
AND ENCOURAGES ALL VOTERS TO CAST BALLOTS IN FAVOR OF THE
PLAN ON NOVEMBER 8th, 2022.
SECTION 2, THAT ALL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WOULD
BENEFIT FROM THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE CITY OF
TAMPA IS PREPARED TO CARRY OUT THE PLAN AS IT IS DEFINED ON
THE BALLOT.
AND SECTION 3, THAT THIS RESOLUTION SHOULD TAKE EFFECT
IMMEDIATELY UPON ITS ADOPTION.
5:32:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND IF I CAN INQUIRE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK --
5:32:26PM >>> MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
5:32:28PM >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I HAD NOT SEEN THIS

UNTIL THIS MORNING, AND I KNOW IT'S LATE.
YOU WANT THIS MOVED TODAY?
IS THAT --
5:32:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO BECAUSE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
IF I DIDN'T MOVE IT TODAY I WOULD BE ADDING IT TO THE
WORKSHOP, WHICH WE AGREED THAT IT WAS ONE THINGS BUT THIS
MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO FAR.
5:32:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND YOU CHECKED WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT?
5:32:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I DID.
5:32:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM BACK TO THE SCENE SO I THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
5:33:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY FROM HURTAK, SECOND BY CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
5:33:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY.
5:33:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:33:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD MY GOOD
REPUBLICAN FRIEND MR. EDDIE ADAMS PASSED AWAY SUDDENLY,
GREAT, GREAT FRIEND.
WE DIDN'T TALK POLITICS.
WE DIDN'T TALK POLITICS.
WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT THE KREWE.
HE WAS THE CAPTAIN, THE FIRST MATE ON THE SHIP.
AND WHEN HIS WAIVE CALLED ME, I WAS IN AWE.
HE WAS A GREAT ACTOR FOR THIS COMMUNITY, SMALL BUSINESSES.

HE JUST LOOKED AT WHAT THE FACTS WERE.
AND HE GAVE YOU WHAT THE FACTS WERE.
AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A
MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION POSTHUMOUSLY TO MR. EDDIE ADAMS,
SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 4th.
5:34:16PM >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
I HAVE ONE, IF I MAY, PLEASE.
5:34:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHAIRMAN CITRUS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
5:34:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I MOVE TO HAVE STORMWATER AND LEGAL TO APPEAR ON DECEMBER
1st TO DISCUSS WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT FLOODING IN ALL
AREAS OF TAMPA THAT IS CAUSED BY DRAINAGE DITCHES THAT HAVE
BEEN FILLED IN ILLEGALLY AND WITHOUT PERMITS AND WHAT CAN BE
DONE TO CORRECT THIS ISSUE.
5:35:01PM >> CHAIRMAN CITRO, THANKS FOR BRINGING UP PALMETTO STREET
AND OTHER PLACES.
5:35:08PM >> IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY.
5:35:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:35:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU KNOW IT'S FUNNY.

I JUST TALKED TO SOMEONE IN THE DEPARTMENT JUST THE OTHER
DAY, PASSED NOT TODAY OR YESTERDAY BUT PASSED MANY HOUSES OR
PIECES OF LAND WHERE THEY HAD SWALES.
HOWEVER, THAT OWNER FIVE YEARS AFTER AND THE HUSBAND OR WIFE
SAYS, I CAN PLANT FLOWERS, AND THEY DO.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
WHEN YOU SELL THE PROPERTY, IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A SYSTEM CHANGE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD THE DEPARTMENT YESTERDAY.
I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHO I TALKED TO BUT I TALKED TO
THEM AT LENGTH ABOUT ALL THAT.
AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT WE DON'T CHECK WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THAT'S WHY I TRUST BUT VERIFY.
THIS BARBRA STREISAND, AS I CALL IT, WE MIGHT BE ALL RELATED
AS FAR AS THE BIBLE, BUT AS FAR AS THESE THINGS, TO GET
THINGS DONE IN THE PROPER MANNER WHEN IF YOU'RE A FAMILY
MEMBER, I WANT TO SEE THAT THEY REALLY ARE FAMILY MEMBERS.
BECAUSE THEY PAY NO TAX.
AND I AM NOT A TAX GUY, BUT THE TAXES BEING PAID BY THE REST
OF US BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PAYING IT.
5:36:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION.
AND I HAVE RECEIVED MANY PHONE CALLS FROM SOME PEOPLE IN
WEST TAMPA WHERE BECAUSE DRAINAGE DITCHES ON EITHER SIDE OF
THEM HAVE STOPPED THE FLOW OF WATER, AND WATER IS COMING UP

INTO THE PROPERTY AND UP TO THEIR HOUSES.
SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN I AM NOT BLAMING THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT
THEY FILLED IN BUT WHAT CAN DO YOU ABOUT THE SITUATION?
5:36:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT USED TO BE U-SHAPED.
ONCE THEY MADE THEM V-SHAPED THE CITIZENS WERE PAYING THE
TAX CLEANING THE DITCH AND CAN NO LONGER CLEAN THEM BECAUSE
THEY CAN'T GET OUT ONCE THEY ARE IN.
5:37:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO
WITH A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
5:37:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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