TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2022
9:00 A.M. WORKSHOP


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09:03:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING
HELD THIS DAY ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2022.
MY NAME IS JOSEPH CITRO, AND I WILL BE CHAIRMAN FOR THE
MEETING.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, THE INVOCATION.
09:03:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
INTRODUCING APOSTLE SHAWNEE HOUSE.
A MINISTER AND LICENSED SINCE 1998, AND SHE TEACHES TEENAGED
GIRLS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS
CHRIST.
IN 2008, SHE WAS ORDAINED AS AN APOSTLE.
CURRENTLY THE CO-FOUNDER OF FACE TO FACE MINISTRIES, LLC.
THE CEO IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
MARRIED TO HER HUSBAND DUANE HOUSE, WHO IS ALSO A PASTOR AND
THEY HAVE SIX CHILDREN.
SHE TRAVELED EXTENSIVELY TO SPOKEN COURAGEMENT THE FOR THOSE
WITH NO SENSE OF DIRECTION, LOST HOPE AND THOSE WHO BELIEVE
THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF HELPING THEMSELVES.
SHE HELPED OTHERS BECOME NURSES, ENTREPRENEURS AND
INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE.
I INTRODUCE PASTOR HOUSE AND HER HUSBAND.
09:04:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF EVERYBODY CAN PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN
STANDING AFTER THE INVOCATION.
PLEASE, MA'AM.
09:04:38AM >> FATHER, IN THE NAME OF JESUS WE THANK YOU, WE PRAISE YOU,
WE GLORIFY YOUR NAME THAT WE ARE ALL GATHERED IN THIS PLACE
AND I PRAY THAT WE ARE ALL TOGETHER TO BE IN ONE ACCORD IN
UNITY, LORD.
I KNOW WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, THOUGHTS AND IDEAS.
I PRAY, GOD, THAT THIS WILL BE DONE -- THIS WILL BE DONE IN
PEACE AND IN ORDER TODAY.
GOD, I HONOR EVEN THE CITY COUNCILMAN, ORLANDO GUDES AND
CITY STAFF AND EVERYBODY HERE GATHERED HERE IN YOUR NAME.
AND I CAME TO SPEAK PEACE, JOY AND WHEREVER NEEDS ARE BE TO
APPLIED IN THIS MEETING TODAY.
GOD, WE GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE, ALL THE HONOR AND GLORY
BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO NOTHING WITHOUT YOU.
AND WE GIVE YOU HONOR AND HONOR YOU AND PRAISE YOU TODAY FOR
WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
WE THANK YOU FOR JUST THE BREATH IN OUR BODIES.
LORD, SOME OF US DRUNK OUR COFFEE, GOT DRESSED AND DIDN'T
ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, AND WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGING YOU NOW AND THANK
YOU FOR LIFE IN JESUS'S NAME AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:06:04AM >> AMEN.
09:06:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MADAM CLERK, ROLL CALL.
09:06:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:06:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:06:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:06:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:06:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:06:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:06:25AM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:06:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMAN
CARLSON IS WITH US.
YES, SIR.
09:06:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS MY 12th DAY AFTER HAVING COVID.
I SAID IF YOU FELT UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME BEING HERE.
I TESTED NEGATIVE TWICE AND I COULD ALSO WEAR A MASK.
JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW.
09:06:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
09:06:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
TODAY'S MEETING IS AVAILABLE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ABLE
TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL
640 AND FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 AND ON THE INTERNET AT
TAMPAGOVERNOR.NET/LIVESTREAM.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN ATTEND IN PERSON OR CITY COUNCIL
CHAMBERS.
HERE WE ARE AT 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
VIRTUALLY PARTICIPATE THE MEET WHAT IS REFERRED TO FLORIDA
STATUTES AND RULES AND COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED TO SPEAK VIRTUALLY WITH THE USE
OF CMT.
AND THIS IS AVAILABLE -- THE INSTRUCTIONS -- ON THE CITY
COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AND ALSO ON THE AGENDA AND THE NOTICE OF
TODAY'S MEETING.
AGAIN, PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN THE SUBJECT OF GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SUBJECT OF THE WORKSHOP WILL BE TAKEN
AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK THAT
COUNCIL ADOPT -- WAIVE THE RULES TO ADOPT THE USE OF CMT FOR
TODAY'S MEETING.
09:08:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBERS, I HAVE ONE WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM.
IT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE HURRICANE SEASON, AND I WOULD JUST
LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS KNOW THAT THIS CITY IS
WELL PREPARED IN CASE OF ANY EVENT THAT MAY HAPPEN DUE TO A
HURRICANE.
CHIEF BENNETT.
09:08:30AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
I APPRECIATE YOU ACCOMMODATING THIS SHORT WALK-ON.
ONCE I SAW THE SPAGHETTI MODELS POINTING OUR WAY.
THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A REVIEW FROM OUR
OFFICE, JOHN.
THE BACK OFFICE WILL BRING UP HIS POWERPOINT.
THE CONTENT WILL BE BRIEF BUT IT IS HEAVY.
GO ON OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WEB PAGE AND MAKE SURE YOU
CONNECT TO THE MOST UP-TO-DATE COMMUNICATION PROCESSES FOR
THE CITY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:09:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:09:13AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING.
ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE
LEADERSHIP OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.
DEFINITELY UNPRECEDENTED EVENTS IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
SINCE COVID-19 AND GOING INTO THE PEAK OF THE SEASON.
THANK YOU FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, ADMINISTRATORS, CHIEF
TRIPP, THAT WE WORK UNDER WITH THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT.
A LOT IS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND TO MAKE SURE THE CITY OF
TAMPA IS WELL PREPARED FOR STORM SEASON.
QUICKLY WANT TO JUMP IN QUICK VIEW OF THE ATLANTIC BASIN
CLIMB FOLLOWING.
SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER DEFINITELY HIGH ACTIVITY.
WE ARE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE HURRICANE SEASON.
BUT JUST A TOUCH IN SEPTEMBER.
A LOT OF TROPICAL WAVES COME OFF THE AFRICAN COAST MAKE
THEIR WAY ACROSS THE ATLANTIC.
HURRICANE IRMA IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT KIND OF STORM.
IN OCTOBER, YUCATAN PENINSULA, QUICKER STORMS LIKE HURRICANE
MICHAEL THAT HIT IN THE PANHANDLE.
A LITTLE LESS TIME TO PREPARE FOR THOSE BUT THEY INTENSIFY
QUICKLY.
ON THE SLIDES ABOUT 100-YEAR NAME STORMS THAT ARE DEVELOPED.
THE FIVE-DAY TROPICAL OUTLOOK AS CHIEF BENNETT WAS ALLURING
TO.
THERE IS A SYSTEM WE ARE MONITORING CURRENTLY ABOVE
VENEZUELA.
THAT STORM IS CURRENTLY AT THAT FAR OUT ON ANY FORECASTS.
I KNOW A LOT OF MEDIA ATTENTION BUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT
FIVE-DAY WINDOW IS STILL SOMETHING.
AND SOMETHING WE WILL BE MONITORING DAILY AS THE UPDATES
FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER.
CURRENTLY NO THREATS FOR THE TAMPA BAY REGION.
QUICK ON NAMES.
THE NEXT ONE WILL BE HERMINE.
HURRICANE FIONA, CATEGORY ONE STORM, CAN PROVIDE WIDESPREAD
DEVASTATION TO A COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY FLOODING THAT WE HAVE
SEEN OUT THERE.
DEFINITELY ON THE LOWER CATEGORY STORMS, IT IS SOMETHING
THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR
SITUATION REPORTS.
YOU ALL RECEIVE OUR SITUATION REPORTS OUT OF THE OFFICE OF
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TO ENSURE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LATEST INFORMATION IS GETTING OUT
TO ALL OF OUR LEADERSHIPS, AS WELL AS OUR ADMINISTRATORS AND
OPERATIONAL COMPONENTS.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH THOSE OUT AS MORE INFORMATION
BECOMES AVAILABLE.
AND AS WELL, THAT DOCUMENTS ALL THE ACTIVITY WE ARE DOING IN
THE FIELD AND THE CITY OF TAMPA LEVEL.
SO REAL QUICK AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY OF TAMPA HURRICANE
PLANS AND OPERATIONS.
I WANTED TO TOUCH LIGHTLY.
WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY RELATIONS PLAN AT CITY OF
TAMPA THAT LAY OUT OUR FRAMEWORK.
BLUE SKIES TABLE OF ORGANIZATION WHERE THE EMERGENCY IS.
DURING AN EMERGENCY, WE RESTRUCTURE HOW WE RESPOND FROM
EMERGENCY EVENTS.
THIS DOCUMENT LAYS OUT THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE CITY.
WE ALSO HAVE OUR KNOW YOUR ROLE PROGRAM THROUGH HUMAN
RESOURCES AND THAT ASSURES THAT EVERY CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE
DOES HAVE A ROLE DURING AN EMERGENCY.
THERE IS 4800 EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ARE AN OFFICE OF FOUR.
WE HAVE SO HAVE A FULL CITY GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OTHER DIFFERENT LEVELS TO RESPOND TO
AN EMERGENCY.
WE MAKE REASSIGNMENTS AT OUR SHELTERS.
OUR PUSH TEAMS AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTERS THAT CLEAR
DEBRIS.
LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE RESCUE.
WE KNOW USE THE NO YOUR ROLE PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY WHENEVER AN
EMERGENCY HAPPENS THOSE PERSONNEL HAVE THE TRAINING AND ABLE
TO RESPOND QUICKLY.
AS I ALLUDED TO BEFORE, HOW WE ORGANIZE DURING EMERGENCIES,
WE BREAK THEM UP DURING EMERGENCY SUPPORT FUNCTIONS THAT IS
OUTSIDE OF OUR DEPARTMENT MODE AND REALLY OUR GRAY SKIES IN
A SENSE THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS, WE NEED TO GET THEM TOGETHER.
WITHIN EF-1 TRANSPORTATION AND EFS 3, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE GROUPS OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT WORK TOGETHER
ARE EMBEDDED WITH EACH OTHER APPEAR COMMUNICATE AND SHARE
VERY QUICKLY AND IF THERE ARE RESOURCE NEEDS, THEY ARE
GROUPED UP IN IN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.
WE DO HAVE A TROPICAL CYCLONE MATRIX.
AND REALLY, AGAIN, ALL THE UNCERTAINTY WITH STORMS, THIS
DOES PROVIDE US WITH GUIDELINES AND CHECKLISTS OF THINGS WE
NEED TO DO WITH CERTAIN TIME THRESHOLDS.
GETTING 120 HOURS OUT, WE ARE GETTING BRIEFING FROM THE
NATIONAL WEATHER CENTER, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, OUR
PARTNERS WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, BUT GETTING CLOSER, WE
HAVE ACTION ITEMS WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH BEFORE THE LAND FALL
OF A HURRICANE.
HURRICANE EVACUATION DECISION PROCESS GOING ALL THESE DAYS
OUT, WE ARE MONITORING THESE STORMS WELL OUT INTO THE
ATLANTIC OR THE GULF BEFORE THERE ARE ANY THREATS TO US.
AS THEY ARE GETTING THE REPORT, WE GETTING THOSE DAYS OUT.
HURRICANE IRMA, IT WAS MONDAY.
WE WERE HIGHLY ENGAGED WITH NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.
THE STORM CAME THAT SATURDAY UP IN OUR WAY.
DAYS OUT WE ARE VERY ENGAGED WITH OUR PARTNERS MAKING A
DECISIONS ON EVACUATIONS.
THEY ARE UNPREDICTSABLE.
STORMS SPEED UP.
OUR INTENSITY CHANGES.
WE WORK WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND A LOT OF LESSONS
LEARNED FROM HURRICANE IRMA'S EVACUATION TO DO IT BETTER.
MAKE SURE THAT THE SHELTER IS OPEN BEFORE EVACUATION ORDER
IS MADE AND GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
ONE THING TO NOTE, OUR EVACUATION CHANGED IN 2002.
NOWE, THE WORST CASE, HURRICANE MICHAEL, CATEGORY 5 STORM,
TO GET STORM SURGE UP TO THAT LEVEL.
BUT 54,000 PEOPLE WERE NOT IN AN EVACUATION ZONE IN THE PAST
BUT CURRENTLY ARE.
GO TO TAMPA.GOV/HURRICANE.
KNOW YOUR ZONE BECAUSE IF THERE IS AN EVACUATION, WE WILL DO
IT BY ZONE.
THIS SLIDE, AGAIN, WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE PARTNERSHIP WITH
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
ANY LARGE DISASTER -- I WAS UP AT HURRICANE MICHAEL IN THE
PANHANDLE, IT TAKES A WHOLE GOVERNMENT APPROACH.
CITY OF TAMPA WILL NOTABLE ABLE TO HANDLE A CATASTROPHIC
STORM BY IT.
09:15:24AM >> HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FEMA, NATIONAL GUARD.
ALL GETS PUSHED UP FROM THE CITY WHAT WE NEED AT ALL THOSE
LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
TO HIGHLIGHT ONE OTHER OPERATIONAL ITEM, WE HAVE EMERGENCY
RESPONSE CENTERS THAT PRESTAGE BEFORE OUR STORM.
PUBLIC WORKS TEAM THAT COME UP AFTER A STORM FOR THE ALL
CLEAR SO EMERGENCY RESPONDER CAN GET IN, LIFE SAFETY
OPERATIONS, INITIAL FIRST PUSH OFF OF PRIORITY ROADS TO GET
DEBRIS OFF THE ROAD SO FIRST RESPONDERS CAN COME IN, PERFORM
SEARCH AND RESCUE MISSIONS AND OTHER LIFE SAFETY NEEDS.
PUBLIC SHELTERS, 46 OF THEM IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
AGAIN THEY PROVIDE IMMEDIATE LIFE SAFETY NEEDS FOR OUR
PUBLIC TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO GO DURING A STORM.
WE RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO PREPLAN AHEAD OF TIME WITH ANOTHER
OPTION FAMILY AND FRIENDS OUTSIDE OF AN EVACUATION ZONE AND
SHELTER FOR EVERY RESIDENT THAT NEEDS A SAFE PLACE TO GO.
WE FIND A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING TWO YEARS AGO TO
PROVIDE CITY PERSONNEL IN CITY SHELTERS MOVING FORWARD AND
THAT WAS 2020.
LESSONS LEARNED FROM HURRICANE IRMA, BUT ONCE AGAIN CLOSE
CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS.
SPECIAL NEED.
ERWIN TECH AND YINGLING ENTER IS THAT IS SET UP FOR THAT.
ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, OXYGEN, DIALYSIS OR ANY OTHER MEDICAL
NEEDS DURING A STORM, THEY NEED TO REGISTER NOW.
THE PHONE NUMBER 813-307-8063 MANAGED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
HEALTH AND URGE ANY RESIDENTS WHO MAY NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF THIS TO REGISTER TODAY.
THERE IS A PROCESS TO GET REGISTERED FOR ONE OF THESE
SHELTERS.
HART WILL SET UP NONEMERGENCY BUS ROUTES THROUGH HART.
THOSE BUS ROUTES WILL GET YOU ONE OF FOUR SHELTERS: PIZZO,
MIDDLETON AND SHIELDS.
THEY HAVE EMERGENCY BUS SHELTER ON THE ROUTES AS YOU SEE
OFTEN THE SCREEN, BUT YOU CAN FLAG DOWN A BUS ON THOSE
ROUTES ONCE THEY ARE ACTIVATED.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO RUN CONTINUOUSLY UNTIL WIND SPEEDS
MAKE IT UNSAFE TO DO SO AND TO GET FOLKS TO SHELTERS.
MEDICAL OR TRANSPORTATION NEED, 272-5900 FROM HART AND YOU
CAN SCHEDULE A PICKUP IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO ANY
ONE OF THOSE ROUTES.
TOUCHED LIGHTLY POINTS OF DISTRIBUTION, ON THE FRONT END OF
THE STORM BEFORE IT COMES, SANDBAGS TO THE PUBLIC.
BACK END, WE MAY NEED TO GIVE COMMODITIES.
I WAS UP IN HURRICANE MY CAT -- AGAIN HURRICANE IRMA AT AL
LOPEZ PARK, WE GAVE OUT WATER AND FOOD.
THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF OPERATIONS THAT WILL BE GOING ON
BEFORE A STORM AND AFTER.
FOR THE PUBLIC WE ECHOED THIS SINCE JUNE 1.
WE NEED EVERYBODY TO MAKE A PLAN, UPDATE YOUR HURRICANE KITS
NOW, AND STAY INFORMED BY SIGNING UP TO ALERT TAMPA,
TAMPA.GOVERNOR/ALERTTAMPA OR TEXT TAMPA READY TO 88877 AND
RECEIVE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS DIRECTLY TO THE CITY OF
ANYTHING WE ARE DOING, EVACUATION OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION
PERTINENT.
WE USED THAT VERY HEAVILY DURING COVID-19.
BUT FOR THE STORM, THAT WILL BE THE SAME SYSTEM WE ARE
USING.
ONE OTHER THING WE PUT IN MACE LAST YEAR WAS WE INSTALLED
WEATHER STATIONS AT THREE OF OUR FIRE STATIONS AS WELL AS
RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM AND USF.
PROVIDES 24-7 LIVE WEATHER INFORMATION.
WE USE IT OPERATIONALLY HOW TO MAKE DECISIONS BUT THE PUBLIC
HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE INFORMATION,
HILLSBOROUGH.WEATHERSTEM.COM TO GET LIVE INFORMATION FROM
DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY.
AND AGAIN, I TOUCHED ON 24 BEFORE, BUT I STRESSED EMERGENCY
NOTIFICATION.
BEST WAY IS TO SIGN UP FOR ALERT TAMPA OR WE ARE VERY
HEAVILY IN SOCIAL MEDIA.
@ALERT TAMPA ON TWITTER, FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM.
ONE OTHER NICE FEATURE WE WORK CLOSELY WITH TPD AND
STORMWATER IS THE LIVE STREET FLOOD MAP.
IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE TAMPA.GOV/FLOODMAP.
LIVE FLOOD DATA EVEN FOR THE SUMMER STORMS AS THEY GET
REPORTED IN BY THE PUBLIC AND CONFIRMED BY TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE FLOODED STREETS ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY
AND NOTE TO AVOID THOSE AREAS.
JUST IN CLOSING AGAIN, WE KNOW THE TROPICS ARE ACTIVE.
WE ARE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE SEASON.
I URGE OUR RESIDENTS TO GET PREPARED NOW.
AS BEAUTIFUL DAYS AS THIS WEEKEND, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL
PROCEED US NEXT WEEK, BUT NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO UPDATE
YOUR PLANS, KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO GO, YOUR EVACUATION,
UPDATE YOUR HURRICANE KITS AND STAY INFORMED WITH US.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
09:20:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:20:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN YOU TALK OF THE SLIDE WITH OXYGEN,
DIALYSIS AND THOSE OTHER TYPE OF HEALTH CARE NEEDS.
ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS, YOU NEED TO BE LOCATING THE
DIALYSIS CENTERS.
MOST FOLKS ON DIALYSIS OR OXYGEN, MOST DO NOT -- MOST ARE
SICK.
THEY DON'T DO INTERNET.
THEY DON'T REGISTER.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I WOULD SUGGEST MOVING FORWARD, THAT THE COUNTY WILL NOTIFY
THE DIALYSIS CENTER, WITH PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY NEED AND GO.
ALSO WITH OXYGEN AS WELL.
IN THE MIDST OF THE STORM.
THEY ARE LOST AND THEY HAVE NOBODY ANYWAY.
I LOOK IF WE CAN POSSIBLY CONTACTING THOSE DIALYSIS -- THREE
OR FOUR -- ONE IN EAST TAMPA.
THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
TO GO TO HAVE REGISTRY SO THEY CAN REGISTER AND NOT BE IN
THE MIDST OF A STORM.
09:21:11AM >> YES, SIR.
09:21:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:21:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
A LOT OF INFORMATION IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT HOW GOOD
YOU ARE IN SENDING OUT NOTIFICATION AND COMMUNICATION.
I GET YOUR E-MAILS ALL THE TIME.
THE INFORMATION COMES THROUGH QUICKLY.
YOU MENTIONED ALERT TAMPA IT IS VERY, VERY 88877, TAMPA
READY.
YOU TEXT THAT AND YOU ARE ON IT.
THE FLOOD MAP IS HELPFUL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SEE CARS
STUCK IN FLOODED ROADS AND THE LIVE FLOOD MAPS WILL HELP
PEOPLE PREPARE AHEAD OF TIME.
AND FINALLY, YOU KNOW, GASTON AND HERMINE.
NEVER A GUIDO ON THAT LIST.
I SAW LISA.
MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE GETS ONE AND EVEN MARTIN ON THERE.
MAYBE ONE DAY I WILL MAKE THE LIST.
BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I APPRECIATE IT.
COUNCILMAN GUDES TOUCHED ON THE SPECIAL NEEDS SHELTERS.
WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT AND YOU NEED OXYGEN AND ON DIALYSIS,
WHATEVER IT IS, SECONDS COUNT.
A VERY CRITICAL SITUATION.
BUT EVEN SANDBAG LOCATION THAT ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE
CITY STRATEGICALLY THAT ARE EASY ACCESS.
SO MANY THINGS YOU TOUCHED ON.
I AM GLAD TO SEE WE ARE -- JUST AS IT SAYS, WE ARE TAMPA
READY.
THE WEATHER IS GREAT.
NO RAIN COMING IN AND I DON'T KNOW THE REST OF THE WEEKEND,
BUT THIS THE TIME TO PREPARE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS
COMING.
WE ARE COME INTO THE PEAK OF THE SEASON.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
09:22:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:22:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. GUIDO -- NEVER ATTACH YOUR NAME TO A
NEGATIVE.
YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
09:22:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HURRICANES ARE HARD.
09:23:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
09:23:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS EXCELLENT
PRESENTATION.
IF IT IS NOT IN OUR E-MAIL IN BOXES IF YOU WOULD PASS IT
ALONG, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
09:23:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.
IT WAS TIME TO LET THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA TO KNOW WE ARE
PREPARED.
WE ARE READY.
WE HAVE PLANS OF ACTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED PUTTING ON
THIS PRESENTATION.
I HAVE ONE -- THANK YOU.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO CHIEF BENNETT.
09:23:28AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SIR, YES, SIR.
09:23:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AS THIS COUNCIL HAS SEEN WITH THE PANDEMIC
THAT WE MAY HAVE TO LEAVE CHAMBERS TO CARRY ON CITY
BUSINESS.
IN THE EVENT WE HAVE A CAT 3, CAT 4 HURRICANE AND DOWNTOWN
IS FLOODED AND WE CAN NOT USE THIS FACILITY, IS THE CITY OF
TAMPA PREPARED TO HAVE A PLACE FOR COUNCIL TO MEET SO WE CAN
CONTINUE CITY BUSINESS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE?
09:24:01AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
GREAT QUESTION.
TO KEEP CITY BUSINESS MOVING WHY U.S. LIKE WE DID IN THE
PANDEMIC, WE WERE THANKFUL TO HAVE A FACILITY ACCOMMODATE US
THAT WAS NOT AFFECTED BY MUCH A NATURAL HAZARD.
CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT AND OPERATIONS, EVERY MONTH, THE
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE HOLDS A MONTHLY MEETING OF ALL
THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
ONE OF THE PRIME MINISTER IS THE CONTINUITY OF OPERATION AND
GOVERNMENT.
SPEARHEADED BY THE INNOVATION IN TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT
LEADERSHIP.
YES, A MYRIAD FOR WHATEVER IS LEFT OVER FOR US TO WORK IN TO
RUN CITY GOVERNMENT.
AND ABSENT OF THAT -- IN A CITY THIS SIZE, WE WILL FIND HIGH
AND DRY GROUND THAT IS CAPABLE OF COLLOCATING WITH OTHER
GOVERNMENTS OR STANDING UP A GOVERNMENT INTENSIVE IF WE HAVE
TO.
YES, THERE WILL BE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
ONE POSTSCRIPT TO THE SPECIAL NEEDS PROCESS.
I WORKED ON THIS DURING IRMA IS THAT -- AND I AM VERY PROUD
OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THIS ASPECT BECAUSE THEY TAKE A
VERY PROACTIVE APPROACH OF GOING AROUND AND INSPECTING THE
ASSISTED LIVING AND THE SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES TO MAKE
SURE THE GENERATORS ARE WORKING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE PRO ACTIVITY OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
GROUPS DO NOT WAITING FOR THE STORM, BUT GO AND MAKE SURE
THAT THEY ARE DOING THEIR GENERATION AND MAKING SURE THE
POWER GRIDS ARE WORKING ON THOSE LOCAL FACILITIES.
I WANTED TO ADD THAT WHAT JOHN MENTIONED EARLIER.
09:25:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:25:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MR. JAY JOHNSON AND CHRIS TOPHILL TO
COME UP, IF I WOULD.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THESE TWO VERY NICE GENTLEMEN WHO DO
GOOD WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY TO TALK OF A THANKSGIVING TURKEY
DRIVE THAT THEY WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT AND WHAT NOT.
MR. JOHNSON ALONG WITH PATRICIA BROWN LEADS UP "RISE UP FOR
PEACE" WHICH ADVOCATES FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME AND MR. HILL IS
WITH UNITED BANKERS JAMBOREE AND IS A UNITED STATES MARINE
WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WILL LET YOU ALL SPEAK ON IT.
THEY DO A LOT OF WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:26:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, JOHNNY JOHNSON, VICE PRESIDENT OF RISE UP
FOR PEACE.
AND ONGOING BRINGING RESOURCES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND BRINGING
UNITY TO OUR COMMUNITY.
WE PARTNERED UP OF BIKERS JAMBOREE TO HOST OUR FIRST ANNUAL
GIVEAWAY THANKSGIVING BASKET AND CHRIS TOPHILL WILL BE
LEADING THAT INITIATIVE WITH A FOOD DRIVE AND EXPLAIN MORE
WHAT IS GOING ON.
09:26:44AM >> GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER.
GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
THE UNITED BIKER JAMBOREE ALONG WITH RISE UP FOR PEACE,
VISIT TAMPA BAY AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE A TURKEY
GIVEAWAY.
OUR GOAL IS TO FEED 1,000 FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
DURING THESE TIMES AND ENVIRONMENT, WE KNOW IT IS HARD TO
FEED YOUR FAMILIES.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A GOAL THAT WE HAVE SET AND WE WILL
ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.
WANT TO TAKE THE HOLIDAY BURDEN AWAY FROM THE FAMILIES AND
ALLOW THEM TO ENJOY THEMSELVES NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MEAL
THEY WILL FEED THEIR FAMILIES.
ALONG WITH THIS PROGRAM, WE WILL BE GIVING OUT BLANKETS AND
TO HELP THE HOMELESS AND THOSE IN NEED AS WELL.
THIS INITIATIVE CAN ONLY HAPPEN WITH TEAMWORK.
WE HAVE A TEAM HERE LAND MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
A CONTINUAL EVIDENT TO PARTNER UP.
THANK YOU COUNCIL LEWIS FOR YOUR UNWAIVERING SUPPORT FOR
RISE UP FOR PEACE TRYING TO CHANGE THE ATMOSPHERE IN OUR
COMMUNITY THAT IS NEEDED SO VERY BADLY AND THANK THE CITY OF
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL FOR STANDING HAND IN HAND
WITH US TO CHANGE THE ATMOSPHERE THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING
RIGHT NOW IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AGAIN, THE INITIATIVE OF BEHIND THE FOOD.
WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE GIVE OUT FOOD BOXES AND DONATIONS
DURING HOLIDAY TIME, BUT WE WANT TO DO IT WITH A LITTLE MORE
DIGNITY AND FEED PEOPLE WHAT WE WILL EAT.
WE ARE PARTNERING WITH LOCAL FARMERS AND STUFF GIVING
FAMILIES FRESH FOODS INSTEAD OF BOXED POTATOES, GIVE THEM
HOT MEALS AND THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT AND NOT GET THE SAME OL'
SAME OL' IN THESE BOXES.
TREATING THEM THE SAME WAY THAT WE WANT TO BE TREATED.
THE ONLY BY UNITY AND COLLABORATION TO BRING THIS COMMUNITY
A BETTER PLACE.
WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP TO PUSH IT OUT, PUT IT ON ANY
SOCIAL MEDIA, ANY WEB SITES SO OUR COMMUNITY CAN FEEL GOOD
ABOUT ITSELF.
09:28:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SO SI BROUGHT YOU HERE SO THAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY COULD
KNOW -- INCLUDING SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE -- I SEE SOME
FOLKS WITH DIFFERENT CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, ETC. WHETHER YOU
ARE A LABOR UNION, WHETHER YOU ARE A BUSINESS ORGANIZATION,
WHETHER YOU ARE A CHURCH OR HOUSE OF WORSHIP, IT WOULD BE
GREAT IF Y'ALL COULD SUPPORT THE GREAT EFFORT THESE
WONDERFUL INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING.
THEY REALLY DO GOD'S WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I JUST -- MY HAT IS ALWAYS OFF TO ALL YOU ALL.
09:29:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE A TELEPHONE NUMBER OR WEB SITE FOR PEOPLE WHO
ARE WATCHING A THE HOME.
09:29:43AM >> THE PHONE NUMBER WOULD BE 813-748-2977.
813-748-2977.
YOU CAN VISIT OUR WEB SITE AT WWW.UNITEDBIKERSJAMBOREE --
09:30:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
09:30:04AM >> WWW.UNITEDBIKERS.COM.
THAT IS THE WEB SITE.
09:30:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
09:30:16AM >> IN ADDRESSING THAT, WE WILL BE PUT IT ON THE CITY'S WEB
SITE, THE POLICE WEB SITE WILL ADVERTISE IT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA
AND PUTTING IT OUT IN THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY THAT WE WILL
HAVE THIS EVENT.
THE PROGRAMS THAT JAMES, PATRICIA AND TOM PUT ON IS NEAR AND
DEAR AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH
THESE OFFERINGS TO GO OUT IN
THE COMMUNITY.
WE APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS LOOK TO US
FOR ASSISTANCE, GUIDANCE, AND THEY ARE HELPING TO BRINK
BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SOME OF THE OPERATIONS AND INITIATIVES THAT WE PUT FORWARD
IN THE PAST AND THEY HAVE TREMENDOUS SUPPORT AND THEY HAVE A
LOFTY GOAL THEY SET FOR THEMSELVES BUT I AM CONFIDENT WITH
ALL OF OUR SUPPORT WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
09:31:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PERFECT.
I HAVE SEEN YOU A LOT IN IF THE PUBLIC TEAMING UP.
THANK YOU FOR TPD FOR PARTNERING UP WITH THESE TWO GREAT
MEN.
THANK YOU.
WILL SPELL -- MR. SHELBY, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO BREAK WITH THE NORM BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON SOME OF OUR WORKSHOP ITEMS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, IT IS EITHER GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC COMMENT TO AN -- AN AGENDA ITEM BUT
NOT BOTH.
09:31:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
09:31:49AM >> SECOND.
09:31:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE DISCUSSED THIS, MR. SHELBY, WE CAN ALLOW
THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENT ON EACH AGENDA ITEM AT THE END,
BUT PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE AGENDA ITEM NOT BOTH.
MEANING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
09:32:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO AN ITEM, THEY CAN --
09:32:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AFTER IT IS HEARD.
09:32:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OR DO IT NOW.
09:32:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
AFTER THE AGENDA ITEM, THEY CAN SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE
AGENDA ITEM.
09:32:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
THAT IS USUALLY THE WAY YOU RUN THIS FOR THE WORKSHOPS.
IS THAT CORRECT?
OKAY.
09:32:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
MISS BURTON.
09:32:55AM >> YES, GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
I WISH I COULD STAY ALL DAY, BUT I CAN'T.
MY COMMENT THIS MORNING IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS
BOARD TO GET BACK ON TRACK ON THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU SIGNED
IN 2020 TALKING ABOUT YOU UNDERSTOOD THE RESULTS OF -- AND
IMPACT OF SLAVERY AND HOW YOU THROUGH THE CREATION OF A
COMMISSION WOULD ADDRESS THE LONG-TERM IMPACT OF RACISM AS
IT RELATES TO ALL PHASES OF -- RELATING TO BLACK.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EMPLOYMENT.
WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF HOUSING.
HOW DO THIS COUNCIL PLAN ON ADDRESSING THAT?
IT CAN'T SIMPLY BY DOING CHARITABLE WORK OR THROUGH WORK, IT
CAN NOT BE.
IT HAS TO BE PROFOUND AND DEAL WITH THE MASSES OF BLACK
PEOPLE.
AS YOU TALK OF YOUR AGENDA ITEM IN TERMS OF STORMWATER.
HOW WILL BLACK PEOPLE BE IMPACTED BY THAT?
IS THAT A CREATION AND SETASIDE THAT BLACK PEOPLE WILL BE
ABLE TO BE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED?
YOU WROTE THE RESOLUTION IN 2020, YET THIS COMMUNITY HAS NOT
SEEN ANY MOVEMENT.
SO WE COULD HAVE REAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL IF ONLY
YOU WOULD ACT ON THAT.
ACT ON WAYS IN WHICH OUR COMMUNITY CAN SEE JUSTICE FROM THE
BEGINNING TO THE END.
AND I ALSO STRONGLY SUPPORT POINT -- THE RESOLUTION TO PUT
FORTH AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
LET'S NOT BE AFRAID OF SUNLIGHT.
LET'S NOT BE AFRAID OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS
LONG SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS BUT DO NOT HAVE THE POLITICAL POWER
OR WILL OR CONNECTION TO DO IT.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZEN IN THIS CITY HAS THE ABILITY AND
THE MATURITY NOW TO SEE EVEN AFTER COVID, THAT DISPARITIES
DO EXIST.
AND IF WE, THIS COUNCIL, THIS CITY GOVERNMENT WILL MOVE
FORWARD, WE CAN COME TO HAVING A MORE JUST SATURDAY.
THANK YOU.
09:35:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MENTESNOT, WE JUST -- TAMPA, FLORIDA.
WE JUST SEEN A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW AFRICAN PEOPLE GET
PIMPED.
ANY BLACK MAN STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE POLICE IS A
SNITCH.
YOU GOT BLACK PEOPLE UP HERE ON THE CITY COUNCIL THAT PASSED
A BILLION DOLLAR.
AND PEOPLE BEGGING FOR TURKEY AND BLANKETS AND OTHER KIND OF
STEP BIDNESS.
PAY US OUR REPARATIONS.
PAY US OUR REPARATIONS.
DEAL WITH REPRESENTATIONS AND WE WILL HANDLE THOSE SOCIAL
PROBLEMS OUR GUEST AND THEY WON'T BE AROUND AND BILL GATES
AND ALL THE PEOPLE AND WHOSOEVER AND WHOSOEVER AND TESLA AND
THE REST OF THEM, ELON MUSK IS NOT WORRIED OF TURKEYS AND
BLANKETS AND IT IS STUPID AND IGNORANT THAT YOU RUN ON US.
ALL THIS HONORARY STUPIDNESS AND DON'T DEAL WITH A REAL
ISSUE.
BILLION BUDGET.
26% OF THE POPULATION DESERVE $155 MILLION OF IT AND GOT
NOTHING AND PEOPLE TALKING OF JUNETEENTH AND OTHER KIND OF
STUPIDNESS.
ABSOLUTELY STUPIDNESS.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
STOP THE PIMP GAME.
PUTTING YOU ON NOTICE.
YOU STAND WITH THE POLICE, YOU ARE A SNITCH.
ROBERT JOHNSON, JANUARY 8, 1934, JAMES CABOT, JOSEPH
JONAS.
WE ARE LIVING IN A WHITE NATIONALIST, WHITE FASCIST SOCIETY.
THE HISTORICAL NORM IS TO EXTRACT EVERYTHING ECONOMICAL,
SOCIAL, PERSONAL FROM THE OPPRESSED AND USE THOSE RESOURCES
TO BENEFIT THE CLASS OF WHITE SOCIETY.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE 1942.
THE CONDITIONS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE ARE THE SAME.
WE ARE ON THE SAME BOAT, ON THE SAME PLANTATION, THE SAME
PRISON CELL, THE SAME MASTER'S HOUSE.
AFRICAN PEOPLE ARE TRAINED TO BEG OUR MASTERS FOR ANY PLACE
IN SOCIETY AND WAIL TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
622 YEARS OF BEGGING AND WAITING.
INCREASES AT AN ALARMING RATE.
THE GENERATION OF AFRICAN FORCED TO LIVE IN THE PLANTATION
WAS PROBABLY BETTER THAN THE AFRICANS WALKING IN THIS CITY
IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, 2022, LOST IN A TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED
PROPERTY THAT IS TRYING TO EXPLORE OTHER PLANETS.
WE AFRICANS HAVE TO GET THE WISDOM OF HOW LIFE IS POLITICS
WORK.
HOW WE ARE ABUSED BY A SYSTEM THAT IS USED TO EXTRACT
EVERYTHING FROM THE AFRICAN MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD FOR THE
WHITE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.
NOTHING HISTORICAL OR DEPLORABLE OF PUTTING HUMAN BEINGS ON
BUSES AND AIRPLANES AND RELOCATING THEM TO OTHER PLACES.
THE EVOLVED WAY THAT WHITE PEOPLE DEAL WITH THE ISSUE.
MILLIONS OF AFRICANS OFF OF SLAVE SHIPS.
MADE TENS OF THOUSANDS INDIANS WALK ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN
THE MOST HOSTILE CONDITIONS.
WE NEED REPARATIONS FOR THE WRONGGOINGS.
WE NEED REPARATIONS TODAY.
NOT A PLAQUE IN ROBERT JOHNSON IN IN PUBLIC PLACES.
WE NEED SOLUTIONS IN OUR LIFETIME.
09:38:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:38:26AM >> I WANT TO SPEAK TO AN AGENDA ITEM, I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL
AFTER IT IS ALREADY VOTED ON.
09:38:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A GENERAL
COMMENT NOW.
YOU CAN DO ONE OR THE OTHER.
09:38:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN HAVE A
CLARIFICATION.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO AN AGENDA ITEM DURING -- THEY
CAN DO IT NOW, BUT THEY WON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT
AGAIN A SECOND TIME.
09:38:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S CORRECT.
09:38:58AM >> ALL RIGHT, THEN, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TURN ON THE ELMO, BUT I WANTED --
09:39:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WILL TURN ITSELF ON.
09:39:09AM >> I WANT TO TALK OF THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
THERE IS A COUPLE OF PROPOSALS ON ITEM AGENDA 5.
ONE IS TO SUBMIT TO THE VOTERS WHETHER THEY WANT TO HAVE AN
INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY AND WHETHER THEY WANT THE CIVILIAN
REVIEW BOARD TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS --
09:39:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE TELL US YOUR NAME.
09:39:28AM >> JAMES MICHAEL SHAW, JR.
AND IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, THE CITY OF KEY WEST AND ORANGE
COUNTY, CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARDS HAVE AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.
IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, KEY WEST, ORANGE COUNTY, BROWARD
COUNTY AND MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD CAN
ISSUE SUBPOENAS TO CIVILIANS.
NONE THAT CAN HAVE SUBPOENAS TO POLICE OFFICERS.
THAT IS NOT LEGAL.
THIS CRB -- EVEN THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER TO GIVE THAT
POWER WOULD NOT ISSUE SUBPOENAS TO POLICE OFFICERS, BUT THEY
WILL BE ABLE TO ISSUE THEM TO CIVILIANS THAT HAS EVIDENCE
THAT THIS CRB WILL NEED TO LOOK AT TO REACH A SOUND
DECISION.
I WANTS TO REMIND EVERYONE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT IS
BEING THROWN INTO THE DEAL.
A DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD BACK IN 2021.
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAD GIVEN THE ADVICE TO COUNCIL
THAT COUNCIL CAN'T GIVE THOSE AUTHORITIES TO IT THE CIVILIAN
REVIEW BOARD, THE ABILITY TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS OR AN
INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEY.
AMEND THE CHARTER.
AND COUPLE OF E-MAILS ACKNOWLEDGED BY MEMBERS OF CITY
COUNCIL THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS GIVEN THE ADVICE.
IS THAT THE RIGHT ADVICE?
I DON'T THINK SO.
I KNOW ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM ITEM 6 IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE
NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
BUT WE COMMISSIONED A POLL -- THE ACLU, 82% SAID THEY WANTED
TO SUBMIT THESE QUESTIONS TO A VOTE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A SIDE ON THE QUESTION TODAY.
BUT IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF THIS COUNCIL TO COULD SOMETHING
THAT 82% OF THE VOTERS WANTED TO DO.
AND ONE WAY TO PUT IT TO BED TO SUBMIT THE QUESTION TO THE
VOTERS AND BE DONE WITH IT.
WE HAVE BEEN COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YEARS ASKING FOR
THESE CHANGES AND A WAY TO SUBMIT THE QUESTIONS FOR THE
VOTERS.
THE VOTERS CAN VOTE ON IT.
AND NOT DRAG ON SEVEN YEARS.
WANT YOU TO DO WHAT 82% OF THE VOTERS WANT YOU TO DO.
THANK YOU.
09:41:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:41:40AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, RICK FUYO, WEST CORLISS STREET IN
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
WITH A CLARIFICATION I UNDERSTAND I CAN SPEAK GENERALLY TO
THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6 THAT HAS GENERALIZED CONSIDERATION
OF POTENTIAL CHARTER REVIEW AMENDMENTS.
LIKE MANY OF YOU UP THERE I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING THE
LAST TIME THAT THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR A HOLISTIC REVIEW OF
THE CHARTER AND CONSIDERING VARIOUS AMENDMENTS.
THOSE OF US WHO SERVE THE ON THAT -- MANY OF US WHO ARE
HERE.
I FEEL LIKE THE UNDERACHIEVER IN THE ROOM, WE DEBATED AND
CONSIDERED EACH ITEM WITH GREAT DETAIL AND MADE ULTIMATE
DECISIONS THAT NOT EVERYONE AGREED WITH, BUT MOVED FORWARD
AND SOUTH TO IMPLEMENT THOSE.
I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO REVISITING THAT
PROCESS IN FIVE YEARS, MAYBE TEN YEARS.
AND THAT IF IT WAS DONE AGAIN, IT WILL BE DONE IN THE SAME
MANNER IN A HOLISTIC MANNER BECAUSE -- AGAIN, I AM SPEAKING
GENERALLY GIVEN THE TIME LIMITATIONS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
I RECALL WAS A VERY PRECISE RECOMMEND ME IS THAT -- MEMORY
IS THAT ANY ASPECT PRESIDENT OF CHARTER THAT YOU CHANGE
IMPACTS MANY OTHERS.
A HOLISTIC PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT WAY AND I
WILL SHALL WORRIED OF PIECEMEAL CHANGES THAT ARE DONE
WITHOUT HAVING A SEPARATE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TO
CONSIDER IT ALL AND I WOULD BE WORRY DOING IT THREE YEARS
OUTS INSTEAD OF WAITING AT LEAST SOME TIME TO CONSIDER THE
POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE AMENDMENTS.
THAT IS ALL I HAD TOP THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS MORNING.
09:43:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:43:20AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I AM JAMES JUDGE.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS MORNING ON THIS IMPORTANT
MATTER.
ON BEHALF OF 137,000 REPUBLICANS IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AND I
STAND BEFORE YOU AS THE NOMINEE TO REPRESENT 14th
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.
MAY BE UNUSUAL FOR A FEDERAL CANDIDATE TO BE INVOLVED IN
LOCAL MATTERS, BUT I AM DOING SO AS A TAMPA BUSINESS OWNER.
AN ACTION THAT COULD SET A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT.
THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A STRANGE AND UNNECESSARY, A NONELECTED
CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD WITH ZERO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY WHICH
MEMBERS THAT COULD HAVE PARTS OF IT WITH CRIMINAL CONVICTION
ON THEIR RECORD TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWERS.
SUBPOENA POWERS ARE TYPICALLY FOR ATTORNEYS AND LAW
ENFORCEMENT WITH THE CONSENT OF A JUDGE AND A SYSTEM IN
PLACE WITH CHECKS AND BALANCES TO PREVENT ANY WRONGDOING AND
SHOULD THERE BE ANY WRONGDOING THERE WILL BE SERIOUS
CONSEQUENCES.
HOWEVER IN THIS CASE, NO SUCH SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES.
THIS UNCHECKED BOARD CAN HAVE PRIVATE CITIZENS IN THEIR
HOMES TURN OVER EVERYTHING.
PERSONAL PHOTOS, CELL PHONES AND MORE.
SCENARIO MAY BE OUTSIDE OF THE INTENT OF THIS BORE BODY BUT
NEVERTHELESS AN IDEA AS WE GO FORWARD.
TERRIBLE IDEA.
RISKS PRIVACY CONCERNS, AND VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHTS
GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS OF THE
FOURTH AMENDMENT.
FOURTH AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT FOR PEOPLE TO BE SECURED IN
PERSONS, HOUSES PAPERS AND EFFECTS AGAINST UNWARRANTED
SEARCH AND SEIZURES.
AND PROBABLE CAUSE OF OATH AND OF A IF I MAKE TO BE SEARCHED
IN THE PLACE AND THE PERSON OF THINGS TO BE SEIZED.
THE BOARD HAS NO INVESTIGATIVE POWERS.
CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD WAS FORMED TO ENHANCE TRUST BETWEEN
THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES BY
AN UNBIASED TO REVIEW COMPLETED DISCIPLINARY CASES AND
ISSUES THAT ARE OF IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
THEIR PURPOSE IS TO REVIEW COMPLETED DISCIPLINARY AND NOT
START THEIR OWN INVESTIGATIONS.
THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS WILL SAY THAT THE WHAT THE CRB, BUT
ONLY DO IT FOR POLICE INVESTIGATIONS.
THIS IS A DANGEROUS AND SLIPPERY SLOPE.
THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS SHOWED WE NEED LESS GOVERNMENT, NOT
MORE OF IT.
NONE OF THIS IS NECESSARY.
WE ALREADY HAVE A SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES ALREADY IN
PLACE.
THE TAMPA POLICE, INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THE DEPARTMENT OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT, THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE FBI AND MORE
ALL HAVE THE POWER AND AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT THEIR OWN
INVESTIGATIONS NOT TO MENTION EVERY CITIZEN HAS A RIGHT TO
REQUEST DOCUMENTS AND HAVE THEIR OWN REVIEWS THROUGH THE
SUNSHINE ACT AND THE MEDIA.
THIS THESE THINGS ARE NOT WORKING.
AND YOU ARE SAYING GOVERNMENT IS NOT WORK SO WE NEED MORE
GOVERNMENT.
NOT WHAT WE WOULD TEE IN HERE BUT IN COMMUNIST CHINA.
I STRONGLY CONDEMN THIS EFFORT AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST FOR
THE CITY COUNCIL TO PROHIBIT THIS EFFORT FROM MOVING
FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
09:46:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
IF THERE IS ANYONE ELSE TO BE SPEAKING DURING THIS PUBLIC
COMMENT FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
PROCEED.
09:46:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMAN CITRO, COUNCIL, IT IS AN HONOR
TO BE STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU AND ALSO AN HONOR STANDING IN
A ROOM WITH SO MANY OF OUR LEADERS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE
HERE.
AS A SON OF A DISABLED RETIRED POLICEMAN.
AN HONOR.
I AM BOB ROHRLACK, THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE TAMPA BAY
CHAMBER AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBER HAS LONG SUPPORTED AND VALUED
STRUCTURED STABILITY AND STRONG GOVERNANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND THE LEADERSHIP WORK YOU HAVE DONE.
IN FACT OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS ABLE TO THRIVE ON THAT
STABILITY THAT WE COUNT ON EVERY DAY WITH YOU.
THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBER HAS A SIMILAR TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS
DUE TO OUR PROCESSES, PROCEDURES AND OUR FOUNDATION ON GOOD
GOVERNANCE IN OUR ORGANIZATIONS THAT OUR MEMBERS AND
BUSINESSES IN THE REGION CAN DEPEND ON WITH US.
IN 2018, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION CONCLUDED A
COMPREHENSIVE TEN-MONTH ANALYSIS OF THE CITY'S 47-YEAR-OLD
CHARTER AND UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED 18 SUBSTANTIAL
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE -- ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL
AND THEN BY THE VOTERS.
THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBERS ARE CONFIRMED THAT HOLDING A CITY
COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO REVIEW SEVERAL MEMBERS ON THE CHARTER A
FEW YEARS AFTER THE VOTERS APPROVED AMENDMENTS AT A REGULAR
ORDER RISK THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARTER AND SETS THE NEXT
DELIBERATIVE REVIEW WILL ONLY BE IN 2027.
WE ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT IS
ESTABLISHED AND SET IN PLACE.
KEEP IN MIND BECAUSE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DOESN'T
NECESSARILY MEAN YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING.
THANK YOU.
09:48:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:48:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:48:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO CLARIFY I AM A MEMBER -- MY
COMPANY IS A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBER.
CAN YOU CLARIFY DID THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OR BOARD VOTE TO
ASK YOU TO SAY THIS OR OFFERING AN OPINION --
09:48:53AM >> THE GOOD GOVERNANCE IS ONE OF OUR TEN-YEAR VISION PLAN
AND FALLS WITHIN THE GUIDANCE OF GOOD GOVERNANCE.
09:49:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OR THE BOARD
VOTE -- TO ASK YOU TO NOT RECOMMEND CHARTER TODAY.
09:49:10AM >> WE DIDN'T SPEAK ON THIS SPECIFICALLY BUT SPOKE BEFORE THE
CITY AND COUNTY BEFORE, ISSUES THAT FALL WITHIN THE GOOD
GOVERNANCE, THAT HAS BEEN VOTED BEFORE.
NOT THIS SPECIFICALLY SAY.
09:49:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO HAVE TO ASK YOU.
WE OFTEN ASK PEOPLE IF THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE
ORGANIZATION OR AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
09:49:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS LAURA RODRIGUEZ, AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA
BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE, AND I'M HERE TO SAY I SUPPORT
THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL SUBPOENA PORTION OF THE CRB BOARD.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC
WOULD VOTE YES ON.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP OF THE CRB NOT BEING
ELECTED, I THINK MAYBE IN THE FUTURE THINK OF IT BEING
ELECTED.
I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO HAVE
POWER OVER THE COMMUNITIES AND WHO POLICES OUR COMMUNITIES.
WE KNOW AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW EVERYONE THAT THE DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE INTO THE CRIME-FREE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT WAS
IMPLEMENTED BY TPD, THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME HERE, WHERE THEY
WERE FOUND GUILTY OF UNJUSTLY KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR
HOMES OR TELLING LANDLORDS TO KICK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES
EVEN IF THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY
BAD USE OF MY MONEY PERSONALLY AND ONCE AGAIN WOULD LIKE TO
REMIND THEM OF THE BIKING WHILE BLACK PROGRAM THAT WAS
IMPLEMENTED AND STILL IN EFFECT WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO
ADMIT IT OR NOT WHERE 70% OF THE PEOPLE PULLED OVER FOR --
FOR BIKING CITATIONS ARE BLACK IN THE CITY WHERE IT IS 26.2%
HAS A BLACK POPULATION OF 26.2%.
I THINK HAVING A CRB WITH SOME POWER CAN BRING TRUE
TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITY IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE NEED
-- WE NEED INVESTIGATION THAT SECRETARIES TERM TO WHAT IS
BEING HAPPENING AND OBVIOUS THEY CAN'T SOLVE THEIR OWN
PROBLEMS SO THEY NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.
THANK YOU.
09:51:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:51:25AM >> HI, MY NAME IS SIMON ROWE.
I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION
COMMITTEE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, WHICH
WOULD -- YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW SUBPOENA POWER
AND INDEPENDENT COUNSEL TO BE ON THE BALLOT.
WOULD SUPPORT IT IF IT IS ON THE BALLOT.
RIGHT NOW I WOULD DEFINITELY VOTE YES ON IT.
BUTTIER NOT AT THAT POINT YET.
I'M HERE TO SAY WE REALLY WANT THIS OPPORTUNITY HERE IN
TAMPA TO HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD THAT ACTUALLY CAPABLE
OF DOING THINGS.
I KNOW THAT I AM GREEN REGARDING LIVING HERE IN TAMPA.
I ONLY HAVE GONE TO A COUPLE OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD
MEETINGS.
LIKE NO ONE GOES.
IT'S VERY INTIMIDATING.
HONESTLY, THERE COULD BE LIKE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT OVER HOW
IT CAN ACTUALLY GET ACCOUNTABILITY FOR PEOPLE IN TAMPA I
THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE GOAL HERE.
SHOULDN'T EXIST AS A PUBLIC RELATIONS BOARD THAT EXISTS AS
AN IN BETWEEN BETWEEN THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE
COMMUNITY.
LIKE THE POLICE SHOULD HAVE TO EARN THEIR TRUST.
RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT.
YOU KNOW, HEARING CHIEF OF POLICE SAY BIKING WHILE BLACK IS
OVER.
WE FIXED IT.
BUT CLEARLY ON TPD'S WEB SITE, YOU CAN SEE OF THE PEOPLE
PULLED OVER THIS YEAR ON BIKES, 70% ARE BLACK.
STILL A RACISM ISSUE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, IN THIS
IMPLEMENT, AND THE CRB JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO
ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
WE ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW ABOUT
SPECIFIC CASES.
WE JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT ABILITY SO PEOPLE CAN GET
ACCOUNTABILITY HERE IN OF TAMPA SO WE CAN HAVE TRANSPARENCY
BECAUSE WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TRUST IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT
IS SO AFRAID OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
THAT MISREPRESENTS THINGS LIKE THEY HAVE NOT EARNED OUR
TRUST.
AND NOT ONLY HAS THE ACLU SURVEY SHOWN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
WOULD SUPPORT A CRB HAVING MORE POWER WHICH IS WELL WITHIN
THE LAW AS SHOWN IN OTHER CITIES HERE IN FLORIDA.
SORRY.
LIKE THIS IS WELL WITHIN THE POWER OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW
BOARD TO HAVE.
AND NOT ONLY WAS THE ACLU SURVEY SHOWING BROAD SUPPORT FOR
THIS, THE CRB SURVEY ITSELF -- I THINK IT WAS FROM THE
MAYOR, IRENE GUY MENTION IT DURING ONE OF THE MEETINGS.
THAT ALSO SHOWED SUPPORT.
EVEN IF YOU DISMISS THE ACLU POLL, YOU CAN'T DISMISS THE
CITY'S POLL.
SOMETHING WITH A LOT OF BROAD SUPPORT.
PLEASE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT SO WE CAN -- HOPEFULLY IN THIS
DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT.
LET US DECIDE, PLEASE.
09:54:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:54:30AM >> GOOD MORNING, Y'ALL.
MY NAME IS DAVID JONES, MEMBER OF THE TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY
ACTION COMMITTEE AND SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF GIVING THE CRB --
PUTTING POWER OF THE SUBPOENA ON THE MARCH BALLOT.
YOU KNOW THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING TIME FOR THE MEETING.
JUST TODAY, WE ARE SEEING 14-YEAR-OLD ANDREW JOSEPH'S FAMILY
FINALLY GET THEIR VERDICT IN THE CASE OF WRONGFUL DEATH AT
THE HANDS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
A CASE THAT TOOK EIGHT YEARS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT
TO THE COURTS.
EIGHT YEARS TOO LONG IF WE ARE BEING HONEST.
EIGHT YEARS THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO HAPPEN AND THAT
FAMILY SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO STRUGGLE FOR.
YOU KNOW AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY WITH POLICING AND
ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS COUNTRY, IN THIS STATE.
IN THE CITY EVEN.
BECAUSE OF JUST LIKE SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE INTERESTING
POLICING TACTICS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
THAT IS NOT RIGHT.
BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW INDEPENDENT BODIES TO
ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE, TO LOOK OVER THESE CASES IS NECESSARY
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FAMILIES STRUGGLING AND SUFFERING
FOR YEARS ON YEARS, ASKING, BEGGING AND DEMANDING JUSTICE.
YOU KNOW, AND PUTTING THAT ON THE BALLOT SO THAT THE CITY
CAN VOTE ON IT IS THE LEAST THAT CAN BE DONE.
EVEN IF IT IS ON THE BALLOT, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT IT
WILL PASS.
THE REALITY IS FOLKS LIKE THE PBA.
FOLKS LIKE THE -- EXCUSE ME, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
FOLKS LIKE TPD PROPER IN THEIR SPOKESPEOPLE WOULD LIKE --
ATTACK THE BILL AND THAT IS JUST THE REALITY.
PASS IT IS EVEN QUESTIONABLE, BUT AT LEAST THAT CAN BE DONE
TO PUT IT UP FOR THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE.
PUTTING IT UP FOR THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW.
THERE HAS BEEN TALK OF DEMOCRACY.
TALK HOW WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A DICTATORSHIP AND
WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE TRUE WAY TO GET OUT OF THAT IS
BY LEAVING IT TO THE PEOPLE IN TERMS OF, LIKE, AMENDING THE
CHARTER.
IF IT IS GOING TO MAKA ACTUAL, TANGIBLE CHANGE THAT THE
PEOPLE OF TAMPA WANT THAT THE CITIZENS ARE WILLING TO COME
OUT AND FIGHT FOR AND KEEP DEMANDING THEN, THERE IS NO
REASON TO SHOOT IT DOWN -- TO CONTINUE TO SHOOT IT DOWN.
SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, LET THE FOLKS CHOOSE.
LET THE FOLKS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:57:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:57:08AM >> HELLO, MY NAME IS TAYLOR COOK.
I'M HERE WITH TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE AS WELL
AND HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND
SUBPOENA POWER.
I THINK -- LIKE REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU GUYS FEEL OR ANYBODY
IN THIS ROOM FEELS ABOUT IT, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE IT IS UP
TO THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE, THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THIS CITY, THAT
MAKE IT RUN, PROVIDE COFFEE AND THE GAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE
TO MAKE THIS CITY FUNCTION AS IT DOES.
I THINK THAT IS THE LEAST THAT WE CAN DO IS LET PEOPLE VOTE
ON IT.
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN
NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MYSELF WHERE THE POLICE BLOCK OFF THE
ROADS WHENEVER THEY WANT.
WHERE THEY HARASS KIDS ON BIKES.
I THINK IT IS FAIR TO LET PEOPLE DECIDE IF THEY WANT POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY OR NOT AND THIS IS THE NEXT STEP.
ABOUT.
WHEN I THINK OF SUBPOENA POWER IN THE CRB, I WISH IT WAS A
LOT STRONGER BECAUSE I THINK OF JONAS JOSEPH SHOT OVER 125
TIMES.
DOMINIQUE MULKE WHO WAS SHOT AND KILLED FOR BEING HUNGRY.
NOT TPD, BUT I THINK OF ANDREW JOSEPH III WHO WAS KILLED.
JOSIAH PINOR WHERE HE WAS MOWED DOWN BY A OFFICER GOING 25
MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
ALL THOSE PEOPLE AND LOST THEIR LIVES WHO COULD HAVE LIVED
FULL, RICH LIVES WITHOUT POLICE MURDERING IN THE STREET.
MY FRIENDS WHO HAVE SCARS FROM RUBBER BULLETS BACK IN
2020.
THE FEELING OF TEAR GAS IN MY THROAT THAT I COULDN'T EAT FOR
A WEEK.
KIDS THAT GOT TEAR GASSED BY TPD.
THAT IS WHAT I THINK OF WHEN I THINK OF POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY AND I THINK HAVING SUBPOENA POWER WOULD BE
THE RIGHT STEP.
AN INDEPENDENT POWER AND NOT ONLY FOR OPEN CASES BUT CLOSED
CASES THAT ARE ALREADY BEEN INVESTIGATING.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS STRONG ENOUGH.
BUT A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FEEL.
IF WE WANT TO HAVE A DEMOCRATIC CITY.
I SPOKE ON TUESDAY HOW I THOUGHT THE BUDGET PROCESS WAS
UNDEMOCRATIC.
ONE WAY TO SHOW US THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC CITY BY LETTING THE
CITY VOTE ON THE SUBPOENA POWER FOR THE CRB.
THANK YOU.
09:59:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:59:23AM >> HEY, THANKS, GOOD MORNING, ANDY MACE, 101 E. KENNEDY
BOULEVARD.
I'M HERE IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN OF
THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS THAT HAVE GOVERNED THE CITY FOR
A PERIOD OF TIME.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT JUST HAPPENED IN 2018,
AND ONE I THINK CONTINUES TO BE IN EFFECT.
AND IN MY OPINION, THAT PROCESS SHOULD BE RESPECTED.
AND THAT PROCESS SHOULD BE USED TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
IF THAT PROCESS IS NOT FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN OR DOESN'T NEED
TO ADDRESS URGENT ISSUES, I WOULD URGE EACH OF YOU TO
UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO A
PROCESS THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
WE HAD JEFF SCOTT, THE FOOTBALL COACH FROM USF AT THE
CHAMBER BOARD MEETING THIS MORNING AND HE WAS TALKING OF THE
VERY -- ALMOST BEATING THE FLORIDA GATORS.
HE HAD A GREAT LINE.
HE SAID TRUST THE PROCESS.
DON'T RUSH THE PROCESS.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO TRUST THE PROCESS AND NOT RUSH THE
PROCESS.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO BE WITH YOU HERE TODAY.
APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S SERVICE.
10:00:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE JACOBY ELLSBURY IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
SEEING NONE.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON ON LINE.
MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU HERE?
I AM SORRY?
OKAY.
THEN LET'S START WITH OUR AGENDA ITEMS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, FILE NUMBER CM-22-772 -- 79.
10:01:12AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN, CITY COUNCIL.
BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF I COULD GET A PRESENTATION PULLED UP ON SOUTHEAST
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FIRST THE AGENDA WHICH IS -- THE STATUS UPDATE WILL INCLUDE
CONTINUOUS -- CONTINUING COMMUNICATION IMPROVEMENTS, FLORIDA
AVENUE CLOSURE, WEST CREST AVENUE RESTORATION, AND THE
UPCOMING COMMUNITY MEETING NEXT WEEK.
FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH CITY COUNCIL THE PROCESS
STRUCTURE BUT KEY TO COMMUNICATION ON THE PROJECT SITE.
JEFF NELSON IS THE COMPANY PRESIDENT AND OWNER AND THE BUCK
STOP WITH HIM.
I HAVE HIM HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY.
JEFF, IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR HAND.
THEN THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE
FIELD IS FALLS UNDER THE COMPANY'S GENERAL SUPERINTENDENT.
HIS NAME IS JOE HAMILTON.
THEN THE TWO PROJECT SUPERINTENDENTS SHOWN IN ORANGE ARE
KNOWN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS AND REPORT TO GEORGE --
JOE, EXCUSE ME.
WILL STOCK IS THE PROJECT MANAGER THAT REPORTS DIRECTLY TO
JEFF JUST LIKE JOE DOES, WHO TRACKS THE SCHEDULING, THE
NUMEROUS ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS AND THE COMMUNICATIONS ON
THE PROJECT.
SO HE IS OVER THE FIRM DIALOGUE THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN
WORKING WITH ON COMMUNICATIONS ON THE PROJECT.
PRESIDENT COMMUNICATIONS AND RESPONSIVENESS STARTS IN THE
TRENCH.
I SAID THAT TWO WEEKS AGO LAST TIME BUT DO WHAT YOU ARE
GOING TO DO AND DO WHAT YOU SAY.
IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE.
THAT'S WHY THE TWO PROJECT SUPERINTENDENTS SHOWN HERE ARE
NEW.
THE PREVIOUS ONES WERE NOT MISSING NELSON'S OR THE CITY'S
STANDARDS.
SO THE -- THE ESTIMATED TIME FRAMES SET AND EXPECTATION FOR
THE PUBLIC.
AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN THOSE TIME FRAMES ARE MISSED AND THE TEAM
FALLS SHORT, THAT LEADS TO FRUSTRATION AND AGGRAVATION.
I AM SORRY, I WAS -- THE -- IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE
OVERALL PROJECT IS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE BY ABOUT FOUR MONTHS.
THIS IS A LONG PROJECT OF THREE YEARS.
; HOWEVER, THE TIME FRAMES COMMUNICATED ON INDIVIDUAL
STREETS WERE VERY HOSPITAL MYSTIC.
AND THE NEW PROJECT SUPERVISORS ARE MAKING MORE REALISTIC
ESTIMATES AND THEN DELIVERING ON THOSE PROMISES.
NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK OF THE IMPROVED SITE APPEARANCE
AND THE COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVED A FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE
TRASH.
WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS AREA.
THEY HAVE CLEANED UP AND SODDED ALONG RIVER BOULEVARD.
WE KNOW THE RESIDENTS WERE HAPPY WITH THAT.
THEY HAVE GIVEN US THAT FEEDBACK.
CREWS CLEANED UP ALONG CREST AND CENTRAL.
NELSON RECENTLY BANNED PLASTIC WATER BOTTLE FROM ITS CREWS
AND REGULAR SUBCONSULTANTS AND PROVIDED THEM WITH ALUMINIUM
WATER BOTTLES TO BE USED.
AND MR. NELSON HAS RECEIVED 100 OF THOSE BOTTLES AND HAVE
250 MORE ON ORDER.
SO WE CAN SHARE THEM WITH MORE THAN JUST THE WORKERS IF SOME
OF THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES WOULD LIKE THOSE.
WE ADDED FIVE-GALLON BUCKETS TO THE SITE FOR TRASH AND
CONSIDERED THOSE TWICE-A-DAY TRASH SWEEPS.
AND THIS NEXT ONE IS A BIG ONE.
I TALKED TO AT LEAST ONE OF YOU ABOUT THIS.
AND THAT IS WE APPROVED THE USE OF THE EXISTING ROME YARD
FOR STAGING AND STORING OF THE LARGE ITEMS, THE LARGE
STORMWATER PIPE AND STRUCTURES.
THE MANUFACTURERS OF THESE ITEMS ARE FORCING EARLY
DELIVERIES.
PAUSE OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN.
THIS IS KIND OF THE REVERSE WHAT YOU ARE HEARING ON THE
SUPPLY CHAIN WHICH WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO SIT IN THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THREE TO 12 MONTHS.
THAT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE.
AND ESPECIALLY ON CENTRAL AVENUE WHERE THEY ARE CREATING
SIGHT OBSTRUCTIONS.
THE CREWS CONTINUE TO STORE THE ITEMS TO THE ROME YARD AND
GOING FORWARD, WILL STORE EVEN MORE OF THOSE MATERIALS.
NEXT, TALK OF THE FLORIDA AVENUE CLOSURE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE FLORIDA AVENUE CLOSURE DID HAVE TO BE
EXTENDED TO OCTOBER 7.
LARGE-SCALE COMPLICATED WORK IS TAKING MORE TIME THAN WE
ANTICIPATED.
THE SEQUENCE OF OPERATION TO INSTALL STORMWATER INLETS.
TO ENSURE THE WATER MAIN IS SAFE FOR DRINKING BEFORE WE PUT
IT INTO SERVICE.
ALONG WITH SOME OF THE RECENT RAINS IT HAD TO BE PUSHED OUT.
THE GOOD NEWS IS, THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM JUMPED ON THAT
VERY QUICKLY.
THEY POSTED AN ALERT TO THE PROJECT'S WEB SITE ON SEPTEMBER
15.
THESE GO TO ALL THE SUBSCRIBERS.
HAND-DELIVERED FLAVORS ON THE BUSINESSES ON THE 16th.
THOSE THAT WEREN'T OPEN, THEY RECEIVED A PHONE CALL OR AN
E-MAIL.
WE E-MAILED A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON THE 16th SO THEY
COULD SHARE WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
CREATED SOCIAL POSTS FOR THE CITY'S USE ON TWITTER AND NEXT
DOOR.
WE ADD THIS "BUSINESS OPEN" SIGN ON THE SOUTH END OF THE
PROJECT AND THE TWO FLAGGERS ENDED TO THE SOUTH SIDE TO GET
PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS IN AND OUT AS WELL AS PATRONS TO
THE BUSINESS.
NEXT SLIDE.
TO CONTINUE ON THE -- LET'S SEE HERE.
TO CONTINUE ON TO THE FLORIDA AVENUE CLOSURE.
IT IS SCHEDULED TO BE UNDER GROUNDWORK TO BE COMPLETE BY
TOMORROW.
CREWS BEGAN REBUILDING THE ROAD TO THE SOUTH THIS WEEK AND
WILL CONTINUE NEXT WEEK.
PAVING SHOULD OCCUR THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 3 SO THE ROAD COULD
BE REOPENED BY THE END OF THE WEEK WHICH IS OCTOBER 7.
WE ARE SHOOTING TO BEAT THAT AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE AN
OUTSIDE CHANCE OF BEATING THAT DATE WHICH WILL BE GOOD.
TO OVERDELIVER.
THIS CASE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HEARD RESIDENTS' CONCERN OF SPEEDING
ON NORTH HIGHLAND.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OF LATE.
THE PROJECT TEAM HAS AN OFF-DUTY OFFICER POSITIONED AT
HIGHLAND AND WEST HIYA STREET DURING THE IT SHALL WEST HAYA
STREET TOURING THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON TO CALM TRAFFIC.
SO LET'S TALK OF WEST CREST RESTORATION.
FIRST THE 300 BLOCK.
THESE ARE THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE PROBABLY ENDURED THE MOST
CONSTRUCTION.
TOWARD THE RIVER.
THE TWO GRAND OAK MYSTERIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE HAVE BEEN
REMOVED AND THIS TOOK LONGER THAN EXPECTED.
THE FIRST LAYER OF THE ROAD BASE HAS BEEN INSTALLED ON THIS
BLOCK.
CURB AND GUTTER IS SCHEDULED TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH
SIDE TODAY AND ON THE NORTH SIDE TOMORROW.
THE FIRST LAYER OF ASPHALT SHOULD GO DOWN BY THE END OF NEXT
WEEK AND DOOR HANGERS CONTRIBUTED ON THE 300 BLOCK TO KEEP
ALL HOMEOWNERS AWARE OF THE SLIGHT DELAY.
ONCE AGAIN WE ARE COMMUNICATING.
SO THE 100 AND 200 BLOCKS WHICH ARE TOWARD FLORIDA AVENUE,
THE CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES.
THE BOX CULVERT HAS BEEN INSTALLED TO FLORIDA AVENUE TO DIE
IN AT THAT LOCATION.
THE -- A SANITARY SEWER CREW WILL BE OUT TO TB THE SANITARY
MAINS SO ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE AS NEEDED.
INITIALLY FOLLOWING THE SANITARY ADJUSTMENTS, CREWS WILL
START BUILDING THE ROADWAY AND THEN FINALLY, WE EXPECT THE
FIRST LAYER OF ASPHALT ON THE 100 TO 200 BLOCKS TO BE
SOMEWHERE LATE OCTOBER, LATE NOVEMBER.
SOME THAT THE TEAM'S FOCUS IS ON COMMUNICATION CONTINUES TO
BE LASER SHARP AND ROBUST.
SINCE LAST WEEK -- THIS IS JUST SINCE LAST WEEK -- BOTHED
FOUR WEB ALERTS TO THE E-SUBSCRIBERS LIST.
MEETING WITH PRESIDENTS, TWO OUT OF THREE.
E-MAIL LOCAL SCHOOLS, HART AND HAND-DELIVERED TO CARACAS.
WE DID KNOCK ON EACH DOOR AND OFFERED PERSONAL UPDATES ON
MONDAY.
SO WE ALSO HAVE BEEN PLANNING A COMMUNITY MEET WHICH IS
SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 29 AT 6 P.M. IN
HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM.
NELSON WILL PROVIDE A PROJECT UPDATE AND TAKE QUESTIONS AND
COMMENTS FROM THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.
YOU ARE INVITED TO ATTEND, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
THIS MEETING HAS BEEN NOTICED BY DIRECT MAIL POSTCARD TO
ABOUT 1300 ADDRESSES IN THE PROJECT AREA WE HAND DELIVERED
POSTCARDS TO BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT MAY LEASE SPACE
THAT MAY NOT BE ON THE TAX ROLLS.
WE STARTED RUNNING A SOCIAL POST ON NEXT DOOR, AND PROVIDED
THOSE POSTS TO THE CIVIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
SO THEY COULD PUBLICIZE TO THEIR MEMBERS FINALLY WE ARE JUST
CONTINUING TO APPROVE -- WHERE THE CITY STAFF IS IT OVERALL
PLEASED WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST
MONTH.
UNDER THE NEW PROJECT SUPERVISORS.
THIS IMAGE SHOWS PROGRESS ON HILLSBOROUGH BETWEEN
HILLSBOROUGH AND OSBOURNE.
RESTORATION IS DUE TO THE MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS ON CENTRAL.
AND WE WILL HAVE A MORE DETAILED SCHEDULE YOU KNOW ON FUTURE
UPDATES.
ON THE ROAD NEXT WEEK AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, WITH WE WILL
HAVE AN UPDATE ON CENTRAL.
THAT CONCLUDES ANY PRESENTATION AND WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR
QUESTIONS.
10:13:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:13:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS UPDATE.
I WANT TO SAY THE BIGGEST KUDOS I CAN GIVE TO YOU IS THAT
THIS MORNING WHEN I ASKED OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PRESIDENT TIM
KEYSPORT HOW IT IS GOING.
HE SAID IN A MEETING RIGHT NOW.
THINGS ARE GOING WELL.
I DON'T THINK HE USED THE WORLD WELL, BUT GOING IN A GOOD
DIRECTION.
I APPRECIATE THE DOOR-TO-DOOR COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS
ON CARACAS.
AND I REQUEST BEFORE THE HILLSBOROUGH HIGH MEETING, DO THE
SAME WITH CENTRAL.
THAT WILL BE WONDERFUL.
I APPRECIATE IT.
I JOINED THE E-MAIL LIST.
I HAVE GOTTEN ALL THE E-MAILS.
I APPRECIATE THE -- THE FOCUS ON ACTUALLY REACHING OUT TO
THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY WHO ARE MOST IMPACTED.
THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
WHEN YOU WENT INDIVIDUALLY TO CREST.
YOU WENT INDIVIDUALLY TO CARACAS.
I THINK KEEPS THOSE THINGS IN MIND FOR AREAS YOU ARE GOING
TO WORK ON IN THE FUTURE IS GREAT.
I APPRECIATE YOURS AND WILSON'S WILLING CONTINUES TO TURN IT
AROUND.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.
AND I KNOW WE WILL STAY IN CONTACT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE
CHANGE AND THE FOCUS ON INDIVIDUAL COMMUNICATION.
I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY AND I THINK WE WILL SEE IF WE
HAVE THAT INDIVIDUAL COMMUNICATION ALONG CENTRAL, I THINK WE
WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE AT THIS MEETING, WHICH IS IMPORTANT,
BUT I THINK WE WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE.
THANK YOU FOR CONTINUALLY WORKING ON THIS.
THE COMMUNITY WILL STILL -- LET ME KNOW IF IT IS NOT
WORKING.
SO, THANK YOU.
10:14:59AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YOU ARE WELCOME AND WE DO COMMIT GOING DOOR TO
DOOR ON CENTRAL.
10:15:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:15:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
GREAT PRESENTATION.
MY QUESTIONS WERE AN END BECAUSE YOU GAVE THE INFORMATION ON
THE SLIDES.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WAS THE TRASH THAT WAS LEFT.
YOU DID SAY AND SHOWN ALREADY THERE IS A TWICE-A-DAY SWEEP.
THE BANNING OF PLASTIC BOTTLES.
ONE GENTLEMAN SENT ME PICTURES LAST WEEK WITH THE HEADLINES
ON THE E-MAIL HERE WE GO AGAIN AND PHOTOS OF TRASH.
YOU ARE ADDRESS IT.
I RESPONDED TO HIM SAYING I WILL REACH OUT TO THE
CONTRACTOR.
WE WILL TALK TO THE CITY.
HE SAID AND THEN WHAT.
WELL, HERE IS THE ANSWER.
THE TWICE-A-DAY SWEEPING, TRASH RECEPTACLES, BANNING OF
PLASTIC BOTTLES.
I DON'T KNOW NOW HIS OR HER RESPONSIVE YOU CAN BE, YOU AND
THE CONTRACTOR.
MR. STOCK HAS ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIVE AND RESPONDS.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY -- I KNOW A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE
AFFECTED IN FLORIDA.
I APPRECIATE THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS COMMUNITY AS THEY ALWAYS
DO, THEY COME TOGETHER.
LAST NIGHT, LADIES OF THE HEIGHTS, SEVERAL THOUSAND MEMBERS
TO THE TOGETHER AT THE INDEPENDENT SUPPORTING ONE BUSINESS.
THAT IS ONE OF SEVERAL THERE.
EVERYBODY IS DOING THEIR PART UNDERSTANDING THAT FAMILIAR
IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING THIS AND WE WILL BE GLAD WE ARE
DOING THIS ONCE IT IS COMPLETED AND WE SEE THE BENEFITS.
AND YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 7 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH.
THAT IS THE DATE THAT THE STREET REOPENS.
CREST AS YOU MENTIONED ALREADY, THE FINAL INSTALLATIONS, THE
CURBS, FLORIDA GETS PAID.
AGAIN, WE WILL BE GRATEFUL THAT WE DID THIS.
I KNOW THIS IS VERY DUFF NOW, BUT, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU
BEING SO RESPONSIVE AND COMING TODAY.
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:16:54AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THANK YOU.
10:16:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:16:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LADIES OF THE HEIGHTS.
IT IS WONDERFUL AND I WAS THERE LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS -- IT
WAS AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID, A WONDERFUL -- THE
COMMUNITY DOES COME OUT.
AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I ASK IS IF I CAN GET A COPY OF THIS
AND IT CAN BE PASSED ALONG TO THE PRESIDENTS OF THE
ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL.
10:17:27AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE WILL DO THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:17:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. BAIRD, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR
THIS REPORT.
LET THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT WHEN YOU COME TO US, WE GET STAFF
TO GET THINGS DONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS REPORT.
10:17:43AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THANK YOU.
10:17:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
PURCHASE BHIDE.
AND -- MISS ABBYE FEELEY.
MR. BHIDE, IF I MAY, DO YOU WANT TO OPEN 3 AND 4 TOGETHER.
10:18:01AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SURE THING.
MORNING, COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
WE ARE HERE TO ADDRESS ITEMS 3 AND 4.
THIS WILL BE A JOINT PRESENTATION.
ITEM 3 IS RELATED TO THE MOTION MADE BY UNDERSTANDING WHAT
WE ARE DOING WITH OUR GARAGES AND LOTS RELATIVE TO EV
CHARGING.
ITEM 4 IS MORE OF A POLICY ITEM REQUESTED BY COUNCIL OF HOW
ARE WE GOING TO IMPLEMENT POLICIES OF EV CHARGING ON PRIVATE
PROPERTY.
WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION AND WILL START US OFF FOLLOWED
BY ME SPEAKING OF WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH OUR LOTS AND
GARAGES AND ABBYE WILL CLOSE US OUT WITH THE POLICY
ELEMENTS.
WITH THAT I WILL CALL UPON WIT TO START OUT.
10:18:56AM >> GOOD MORNING, WIT RAMER, SUSTAINABILITY AND RELIANCE
OFFICER.
TRYING SOMETHING NEW WITH MULTIDEPARTMENT PRESENTATION.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO TEE UP THE GENERAL EV STATE OF PLAY
HERE IN THE CITY.
AND THEN EACH DEPARTMENTS WILL GO INTO SPECIFIC MOTION THAT
WERE REQUESTED.
CAN WE GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE WHICH IS EV READINESS
BACKGROUND.
SO I JUST WANT TO START BY PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF
FRAMEWORK OF HOW THEY THINK OF EVs AND SOME FOOD FOR YOUR
THOUGHT AS YOU CONSIDER THESE POLICY IMPLICATIONS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO FLORIDA HAS THE SECOND MOST REGISTERED ELECTRIC VEHICLES
IN THE COUNTRY.
ACTUALLY I WAS DOUBLE CHECKING THESE NUMBERS THIS MORNING.
58,000 NUMBER IS INACCURATE.
WE HAVE 95,000 REGISTERED ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THE SECOND
HIGHEST BEHIND CALIFORNIA WHICH HAS 600,000 ELECTRIC
VEHICLES.
SO WE HAVE GOT A LOT, BUT AS YOU WILL SEE IN A MOMENT AS A
PROPORTION OF THE TOTAL VEHICLES AND THE STATE, IT
STILL HOVERS AROUND 1%.
RIGHT NOW FLORIDA DOES HAVE ENOUGH SLOW CHARGERS AND FAST
CHARGERS TO MEET OUR NEEDS UNTIL 2025.
BUT AFTER THAT, WE BELIEVE THAT THE CHARGING NETWORK IS
GOING TO HAVE TO BE INCREASED TO MEET FUTURE DEMAND.
COUPLE OF QUICK POINTS ON SOME FUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE.
FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN THE
PIKE.
THE IAJA, THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT WAS PASSED
LAST NOVEMBER, WE EXPECT AROUND $200 MILLION OF THAT TO COME
TO -- THE ELECTRIC CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG FEDERAL
HIGHWAYS.
THEIHJA HAD A SPECIFIC FOCUS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION TO DEPLOY THEIR MONEY AND INFRASTRUCTURE
ALONG FEDERAL HIGHWAYS OF THE BILL VISA SEE ELECTRIC
CHARGER.
THROUGH A SEPARATE FUNDING STREAM, THE SETTLEMENT WITH VOKES
WAS VOLKSWAGEN AND EXPECT 34 CHARGING STATIONS OUT OF THAT
BUCKET OF SLIDING.
95,000 AS A RAW NUMBER IS A LOT OF VEHICLES PROPORTIONATE TO
ALL VEHICLE SALES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WE STILL HOVER
AROUND 1% TO 2% ALL VEHICLE SALES BEING ELECTRIC.
THAT NUMBER IS RISING.
BUT STILL WE THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT CONTEXT TO PROVIDE
WHEN PROVIDING POLICY ON THESE ISSUES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
PRESIDENT NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WERE AVAILABLE.
ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT WERE AVAILABLE IS INCREASING.
RIGHT NOW 57 MODELS AND WE EXPECT THAT NUMBER TO ALMOST
DOUBLE BY THE YEAR 2025 MAKING CONSUMER CHOICES.
I WAS LOOKING TO ARE A ELECTRIC VEHICLE A COUPLE OF WEEKS
AGO FOR MY FAMILY.
IT IS TOUGH TO FIND.
NOT ONLY ONE BECAUSE OF SUPPLY CHAIN BUT ONE THAT MEETS THE
MULTITUDE OF FAMILY NEEDS.
MOST MANUFACTURERS THAT YOU SEE AT THE TOP HERE HAVE SET
GOALS FOR AT LEAST OF THEIR MANUFACTURING TO BE ELECTRIC BY
2030 OR 2035.
NOW TO THE ACTUAL TERMINOLOGY AND POLICY.
THERE ARE GENERALLY THREE TYPES OF EV POLICIES WHEN IT COMES
TO MANDATING INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE IS EV READY, EV CAPABLE AND EV INSTALLED.
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PRESENTATION TODAY AND FOR THE CITY
OF TAMPA, WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON EV CAPABLE AND EV INSTALLED.
EV CAPABLE IS SIMPLY A TESTIFY NATION THAT REQUIRES THE
BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS
TO BE INSTALLED IN THE FUTURE.
INCLUDES BREAKER SPACE, CONDUIT AND THE TYPE -- THE PROPER
CONNECTIONS.
THAT IS KIND OF ONE OF -- THE BEST MONEY SAVING APPROACHES
THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TEARING UP SIDEWALKS AND PARKING LOTS
AND UTILITIES AFTER THE FACT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE SO HAVING
THAT CONDUIT IN PLACE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THE SECOND ONE IS EV INSTALLED THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT.
THAT IS HAVING THE FULL CHARGER AVAILABLE AND READY FOR USE.
THE ONE THAT KIND OF FALLS IN THE MIDDLE JUST REQUIRES SOME
OF THE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE PLACED INTO THE DONE
DUET AND FOR THE PLUG OUT TO BE THERE, BUT NO ACTUAL
STATIONS.
WE DON'T FEEL THAT IS NECESSARILY AN APPROPRIATE STEP FOR
THE CITY TO CONSIDER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
LOOKING AT THE CONDUIT AND THE BREAKER BOX IS WHERE WE
SHOULD FOCUS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS IS A SLIDE THAT DEPICTS THE THREE TYPES OF CHARGING
STATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
LEVEL ONE CHARGERS ARE WHY YOU ARE TRADITIONAL 120 VOLT THAT
YOU CAN PLUG INTO YOUR WALL IN YOUR GARAGE, YOUR HOUSE.
LEVEL TWO ARE 240 VOLTS, AVAILABLE IN THE CITY GARAGES AND
LEVEL 2 FAST CHARGERS, THE SUPER CHARGES THAT ARE
EXTRAORDINARY EXPENSIVE TO INSTALL BUT CAN CHARGE A VEHICLE
FULLY IN 20 MINUTES.
GENERALLY THOSE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH TESLA SUPERCHARGING
STATIONS.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE ARE DOING IN THE CITY.
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP ISSUE A REPORT IN MARCH OF 2021
THAT SURVEYED CURRENT EV CHARGE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT TEAM, ABBYE'S TEAM
WILL BE TALKING OF POLICIES FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER
CHANGING ORDINANCE.
FTOT PRESENT A VERY INFORMATIVE EV MASTER PLAN.
THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL -- EXCUSE ME,
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS SEEN AS REALLY BEING
THE FOREFRONT OUT OF EVERY SINGLE STATE IN TERMS OF
EMBRACING AND READYING FOR EV READINESS.
WE WORK CLOSELY WITH FDOT AND REALLY GOOD INFORMATION TO USE
FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
WE ARE MEMBERS OF DRIVE ELECTRIC FLORIDA AS A CITY.
AND WE WERE LOOKING AT TOO IG TO DO A DRIVE ELECTRIC EVENT
TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK WE WERE
ABLE TO PULL OFF THE LOGISTICS AND LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR
A DRIVE ELECTRIC EVENT NEXT YEAR IN THE CITY.
VIK WILL TALK OF CITY PARKING GARAGES AND OTHER FACILITIES.
I DID WANT TO -- NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE -- POINT OUT REAL QUICK
WE LIKE TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I CHECKED THIS MORE, 35 FULLY ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA WITH THE PURCHASE TO -- PLANS TO PURCHASE TEN EVERY
YEAR AND HAVE CITY CHARGING STATIONS.
NEW HANNA PEACH WILL HAVE CHARGING STATIONS AND ELECTRICAL
READINESS FOR THE PRIVATE CAR CHARGING AND FOR THE PUBLIC
BEING DRIVEN IN PART DUE TO OUR LEADERSHIP, BUT ALSO BECAUSE
WE ARE SEEKING LEED CERTIFICATION.
AND UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME SPECIFICALLY, I WILL
TURN IT OVER TO MR. BHIDE.
10:26:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS FINE
PRESENTATION.
JUST A REAL PROCESS.
IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT YOU SEE THE
AUTOMAKERS FROM 2030 ALREADY SAYING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE,
TWO OR THREE DOING THAT.
AND MOST DON'T GO PAST 2035 EVEN THOUGH SOME SAY 2040.
SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF IN MY MIND.
IT IS STILL -- YOU LOOK AT CHARGING STATIONS BY THEIR GREED,
NOT LIKE A GAS STATION.
YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CAR, AUTOMOBILE TO ANY GAS STATION AND
FUEL UP.
THE PROBLEM IS ENOUGH CHARGING STATIONS BUT BY GREED,
DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLUG IN FOR CERTAIN KIND OF CARS.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, IT WOULD BE -- BY GREED.
I AM GOING TO USE THAT WORD AGAIN.
THEY WANT TO STEER YOU TO ONLY THE KIND OF AUTOMOBILE THAT
THEY MAKE.
THAT IS A SHAME.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
DOES SOLAR DO ANYTHING?
CAN SOLAR CHARGE ONE OF THESE STATIONS?
IF IT IS.
10:27:36AM >> WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT ACTS.
AND THERE ARE CONTAINERIZED SHIPS TO BE MOVED DURING
EMERGENCY PRESENTATION AFTER FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION FROM
FLORIDA ANTON PASIS.
ELECTRIC CHARGING DURING EVACUATION IS ALWAYS A CONCERN AND
CONSIDERATION.
SO I THINK THE PROCESS IS EVOLVING ON THE TYPE OF CHARGING
STATIONS AND THE LOCATIONS.
I THINK YOU BRING UP ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT WITH REGARD TO
SOLAR.
RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 42% OF THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
COME FROM THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR.
AND TO MOVING FORWARD EVS WILL HELP US TO REDUCE OUR
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND DEPLOY SOLAR ENERGY TO
ACCOMPANY THAT.
THE IMPORTANT THING AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS STILL A VEHICLE
AND STILL OFTEN DRIVEN BY ONE PERSON.
WHILE THE STILL IS SUPPORTIVE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND
TRANSITION WHICH IS AN INTERESTING ROLE TO BE IN, RIGHT.
GAS STATIONS ARE PRIMARILY OPERATED AND WHAT IS THE CITY'S
ROLE OF THE DEPLOYMENT OF EV INFRASTRUCTURE.
SOMETHING WE ARE WRESTLING WITH AND SOMETHING WE ARE HERE TO
TALK ABOUT TODAY.
BUT I THINK JUST AS EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOCUSING ON ALL KIND
OF TRANSIT OPTIONS.
EV IS IMPORTANT AND A CAR ON THE ROAD THAT ADDS TO
CONGESTION.
WE ARE TRYING TO THINK OF HOLISTIC WAYS TO APPROACH OUR
TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY NETWORK AND I WANTED TO ADD THAT
PERSPECTIVE.
10:29:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AGAIN, THANK YOU.
ONE OTHER THING IF I MAY.
SOME PARKING GARAGES THAT HAVE THESE STATIONS, BUT THE
PROBLEM THEY ARE FULL FROM THE SAME CARS EVERY DAY.
THIS.
THEY DON'T MOVE AND STAY THERE THE WHOLE DAY.
SOMETHING FACILITATE.
MY ELECTRIC CAR IS PARKED BECAUSE I WANT TO PARK IT.
I GET IT IN OCTOBER.
I DRIVE IT ONLY SIX MONTHS A YEAR.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING -- CHARGING GARAGES THAT WE HAVE, WHEN
WE DRIVE BY, YOU SEE THE SAME CARS FOR THE WHOLE DAY.
I THINK -- MAYBE THAT CHANGES.
THE LAST TIME I HAVE BEEN IN THAT GARAGE, BUT SHOULD BE A
CHANGE TO THAT AND NOT RIGHT -- UNLESS THEY ARE PAYING
DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE PARKING FEE.
10:29:48AM >> I WILL REFER TO MR. BHIDE ON RULES THEY WILL DEVELOP FOR
THE CHARGERS.
10:29:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:29:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THREE QUICK QUESTIONS AND I WILL THROW THEM
OUT AND YOU CAN ANSWER THEM, IF YOU WANT.
THE FIRST QUESTION, ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO CHANGE THE
REGULATION OF THE SIZE OF PARKING SPACES.
I'M HERE LUCKY -- MY COLLEAGUE WHO HAS A BEAUTIFUL ELECTRIC
CAR, HE HAPPENINGS TO HAVE A VERY SMALL ONE, BUT IT STICKS
OUT ON THE SIDE.
AND SO THE ONE QUESTION IS, IF SOMEBODY HAS LIKE A
ELECTRIC SUV OR THE LARGER ONES CHANGE THE PARKING
REGULATIONS BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE STICKING OUT.
NUMBER TWO, WITH THE TRACK RECORD OF THE DEPARTMENTS, AND
MAINTENANCE, IS THERE -- IS THERE ANY BENEFIT FOR ADDITIONAL
COST RELATED TO HAVING THESE CARS.
AND THE THIRD QUESTION IS, FOR ANYBODY WHO IS LISTENING WHO
IS THINKING OF BUYING A CAR AND PROBABLY CAN'T FIND THEM.
DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY -- JUST FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE
LOOKING AT THIS, ANY BIG LEAP IN TECHNOLOGY COMING IN THE
NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS OR JUST STEADY INCREMENTAL GROWTH.
10:30:56AM >> SURE, THANKS.
GREAT SET OF QUESTIONS.
RESPOND TO MR. BHIDE.
AND OUR DEPARTMENT AND FLEETS AND PARTS OF OUR UNIONS, THEY
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THESE THINGS.
NOT BECAUSE OF LESS WORK BUT GETTING NEW TRAINING ON THE
ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE MAINTENANCE ON THE CITY FLEET
VIDEO IS VERY, VERY LOW.
AND I CAN PROBABLY GET SOME NUMBERS EXACTLY HOW MUCH MORE OR
LESS TIME THEY SEE THESE VEHICLES.
I KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR ANNUAL -- OR BIANNUAL MAINTENANCE
SCHEDULES.
BUT WE OFTEN DOCTOR THEY ARE OFTEN IN THE SHOP AND OUT VERY,
VERY QUICKLY.
I THINK MOST DEPARTMENTS ARE VERY RECEPTIVE ON.THE
MAINTENANCE SIDE.
MUCH LOWER COST THAN OVERHEAD.
BEING ABLE TO FIND A CAR.
I DO THINK THE TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING.
I THINK IT IS PROBABLY SAFE TO GO WITH AN EV VEHICLE RIGHT
NOW.
I WOULD SAY BATTERIES FOR LARGE-SCALE OTHER ACTIONSES LIKE
ADDING THEM IN ADDITION TO SOLAR ON YOUR HOUSE IS PROBABLY
-- WE ARE PROBABLY NOT QUITE THERE ON RETURN ON INVESTMENT
YET.
IN THE MARKET FOR A EV.
GET THIS THE NEW INFLATION REDUCTION, TAX CREDITS
RESPONSIBLE EVEN FOR BUYING USED ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
HOPEFULLY THAT FINANCIAL INCENTIVE WILL BE TAKEN UP BY FOLKS
IN THE MARKET FOR AN EV.
10:32:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TO MAKE SOME STATEMENTS, AND THEN
I WILL SAVE MOST OF MY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE AND HIS
PRESENTATION.
FDOT HAS SAID THEY ARE NOT IN THE "BUSINESS" EVER CHARGING
VEHICLES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT CHARGING
STATIONS IN THEIR REST AREAS BECAUSE MUCH LIKE THE OLD
OASISES THEY HAD THAT THE SURROUNDING CITY WOULD COMPLAIN
AND SAY YOU ARE TAKING BUSINESS AWAY FROM US.
PEOPLE GETTING OFF THE INTERSTATES.
BUT IT -- IT IS THAT TRIP THAT I HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT
WHERE I LEAVE TAMPA AND GO TO ORLANDO OR GO TO VERO BEACH OR
GO TO MIAMI.
BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE THAT CHARGING INTERMITTENT TAMPA.
THAT WILL BE ON THE COUNTIES TO DICTATE.
MY QUESTION HERE IS THIS PHONE HAS EVOLVED TEN TIMES WITHIN
THE LAST TEN YEARS CHARGING STATIONS ARE GOING TO EVOLVE.
OTHER THING IS ON TOP OF THE PAYMENT UNDERNEATH THE CAR, ALL
YOU HAVE TO DO IS PULL IN.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PLUG IN.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE POINT.
YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS NOW, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY
NEEDED AND SOME SORT OF PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
ALTHOUGH WE DO NEED CHARGING STATIONS, THE CITY OF TAMPA MAY
NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF CHARGING CARS.
THAT IS WHERE THAT PUBLIC-PRIVATE HAS TO COME IN.
SOLAR.
IT WILL WORK, BUT ONLY WITH BATTERY BACK-UP.
WE CAN COLLECT THE ENERGY FROM THE SUN, PUT IT IN THE
BATTERY AND PLUG IT IN.
WIT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING THE REIS SILL LEN SEE
DIRECTOR OF OUR COMMUNITY.
10:34:19AM >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:34:20AM >> THANK YOU, WIT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
I WILL START BY ANSWERING THE REQUEST HE IS THAT WERE KINDLY
DEFERRED TO ME.
THE FIRST ONE WAS RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF PARKING SPOTS.
AND OUR GARAGES AND LOTS CURRENTLY ACCOMMODATE LARGE TRUCKS,
LARGE SUVs.
SHOULD THE FORM FACTOR BE DRIVEN BY THE TECHNOLOGY,
ELECTRIC, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WE WILL
ADOPT TO THAT.
BUT CURRENTLY OTHER THAN SPECIFIC KNOWN COMPLAINTS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT CHALLENGE YET BUT IF WE DO WE WILL
BE NIMBLE AND ADDRESS THAT.
THE PART OF THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW THAT WIT
MENTIONED AND THE FUNDING AVAILABLE AND HOW IT RELATES TO
THE EV MASTER PLAN THAT FDOT HAS.
A CONDITION OF THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW THROUGH
THE EV THROUGH THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE
REQUIRES THAT STATES SEEKING FUNDING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE
FUNDING DEVELOPED THEIR OWN EV MASTER PLAN.
OUR COORDINATION THROUGH DRIVE ELECTRIC FLORIDA TO WORK WITH
THE STATE TO DEVELOP THIS MASTER PLAN.
TO THAT END, WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE POLICY AND PRACTICE.
THIS ELECTRIC VEHICLE MASTER PLAN DOES ADDRESS BUSINESS
MODELS AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS ARE.
THESE AREN'T FLUSHED OUT.
IT LOOKS WHAT YOU SUGGEST AND THOSE BUSINESS MODELS COULD BE
PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
THAT IS WHAT THE STATE IS LOOKING AT TO FACILITATE THE
INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG HIGHWAYS BUT TO HAVE IT OPERATED BY
PRIVATE PARTNERS.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE LOOKED INTO AS WELL FOR ON-STREET
AND OFF-STREET, WE SPOKE TO SEVERAL EV VENDORS AND THE
MARKET ISN'T MATURE ENOUGH FOR THAT SORT OF PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIP FOR THE CITY TO ENTER INTO BECAUSE IT HAS MUCH
MORE UP-FRONT COST IN THE SHORT RUN.
AND ONE WE REACH END OF LIFE FOR THOSE CHARGERS WE EXAMINE
WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE COMMERCIALLY FOR
PARTNERSHIPS.
DOES IT TOUCH POINT ON OTHER TECHNOLOGY.
SO I WILL TURN IT TO EV.
THERE IS HYDROGEN, BUT, AGAIN, THAT IS LESS FEASIBLE THAN
EVS AT THIS TIME.
SO ELECTRIC VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY ARE THE CURRENT VIABLE
PRODUCT MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT TWO THINGS.
THERE IS THE SUPPLY CHAIN OR THE AVAILABILITY OF EV
TECHNOLOGY THAT IS DRIVING HOW FAST WE SCALE.
OTHER IS THE GRID ITSELF.
IF WE EVEN HAD 10% MARKET PENETRATION OF EVs TODAY, OUR GRID
WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE MUCH LESS IF YOU GO TO STATES
NORTH OF FLORIDA.
WHILE WE HAVE ENCOURAGING GROWTH IN EVs, CURRENTLY WE ARE AT
1%.
THE EV MASTER PLAN DID A LOT OF LITERATURE REVIEW AND EVERY
SOURCES AS WELL.
AND EVERY INDICATION, AT BEST, WE WILL BE AT 10% MARKET
PENETRATION BY 2030.
BUT IT IS NOT KNOWN WHETHER THE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE WILL
CATCH UP.
BECAUSE VEHICLES ALONE, CARS ALONE ARE NOT THE ONLY THING
THAT WILL GET ELECTRIFIED.
SO WILL SHORT AIRCRAFT.
SO ARE OTHER CRAFT POWERED BY GASOLINE.
THESE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE -- OH, PREVIOUS SO SLIDE, SORRY.
CURRENTLY TEN CHARGERS ACROSS OUR GARAGES THAT IS LISTED ON
THE LEFT SIDE.
WE CAN CHARGE UP TO 20 VEHICLES AT A TIME.
UNFORTUNATELY, MORE THAN HALF OF THESE CHARGERS CURRENTLY
ARE NOT WORKING BECAUSE OUR VENDOR IS IN THE PROCESS OF
UPGRADES AND THAT IS TAKING SOME TIME.
WE HAVE BUDGETED TO DOUBLE THE CURRENT INVENTORY OF CHARGERS
THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE ARE OPEN TO ADDING EVEN MORE THROUGH THE NEXT FISCAL
YEAR, FY '23 AS NEEDED.
AGAIN, WE ARE OPEN TO BEING NIMBLE AND FOLLOWING DEMAND.
OUR CURRENT CHARGERS ARE OF HIGH DEMAND.
TO THAT END, WE HAVE ALLOCATED FUNDING.
LOOKING AT INSTALLING 20-PLUS EV CHARGING STATIONS THROUGH
THE NEXT YEAR.
AND WE ARE INITIALLY FOCUS ON GARAGES AND SURFACE LOTS.
WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH DIFFERENT VENDORS TO EXPLORE
ON-STREET CHARGING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
IT WILL.
IT WILL BE MOST VIABLE FOR ON-STREET PARKS.
BECAUSE THE FAST CHARGERS ARE COSTLIER IN THE $20,000 RANGE.
COMMERCIALLY ANY PARTNERSHIPS ARE NOT VIABLE AT THIS POINT.
BUT WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT.
AS FAR AS POLICY, RELATIVE TO THE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
PENALTIES, FOR EXAMPLE.
IF THERE ARE CHARGES THAT ARE PAST A CERTAIN TIME LIMITS AND
THEY STILL SIT THERE NOT ALLOWING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
SOMEONE ELSE TO CHARGE, THAT WILL BE A CHAPTER 15 ADDITION.
WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING THOSE CODE CHANGES.
WE WOULD WANT TO CORRELATE THEM ABOUT ADDITION AND EXPANSION
OF OUR CAPACITY.
THE OTHER IS A CHARGE FEE AND RATE PER HOUR.
THAT IS PART OF OUR DISCOVERY IN WORKING WITH DIFFERENT
VENDORS AND UNDERSTANDING THE STATE OF THE PRACTICE.
AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER FORTHCOMING UPDATE TO CHAPTER
15 AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY A PER SESSION CONNECTION FEE.
THIS WILL LIKELY BE PREVALENT WHETHER IT IS PRIVATE OR
PUBLIC EV CHARGE FACILITIES TO CHARGE BY SESSION.
THAT WILL ALSO REQUIRE CHAPTER 15 CODE UPDATE THAT WE ARE
LOOKING AT.
AND, AGAIN, THESE CODE UPDATES WILL HAPPEN AS WE EXPAND OUR
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AT THIS POINT, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE.
ABBYE WILL BE PRESENTING THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR LOTS OR
GARAGES.
THANK YOU.
10:41:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
VIK, I WAS JUST LOOKING AROUND.
WHEN -- ARE YOU GOOD?
10:41:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I LIKE GAS.
I LIKE GAS.
10:41:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS ONE OF SEVEN.
WE GOT TWO OF SEVEN THAT LIKE ELECTRICAL CARS.
AND THING IS A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.
WHEN IS THE CITY GOING TO START CHARGE THE PARKING GARAGES
FOR ELECTRICAL CHARGING.
10:41:41AM >>VIK BHIDE:
ONCE WE DOUBLE OUR CURRENT CHARGERS, THAT WILL
INCLUDE THE CHARGING COMPONENT, CHARGING AS IN CHARGING
MONEY FOR VEHICLES.
10:41:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SOME SORT OF APP BY THE VEHICLE THAT SAYS
YOUR CAR IS CHARGED.
YOU GOT TO MOVE OUT OF THAT PARKING SPACE?
10:41:57AM >>VIK BHIDE:
A THIS TIME WE DO NOT KNOW THAT BUT WORKING
TOWARD.
10:42:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT.
PLENTY OF TIME I GO TO PUBLIC PARKING AND THE SAME CAR THERE
FOUR OR FIVE.
I KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DARN WELL CHARGE FOUR OR FIVE
HOURS.
10:42:12AM >>VIK BHIDE:
A VERY GOOD POINT AND MENTIONED THE DWELL TIME
PENALTY.
AND THAT PENALTY OR THAT CODE UPDATE WILL BEST BE
COMPLEMENTARY TO THAT TECHNOLOGY BEING AVAILABLE.
SO WE LOOK AT WHAT IS VIABLE FROM EXPANDING OUR CURRENT
CHARGING CAPACITY AND BRING CODE CHANGES AT THE TIME.
10:42:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL MAKE IT VIABLE FOR
ALL NORTH CAROLINA LEVELS, THESE CHARGER ALSO BE PLACED IN
OTHER PLACES BESIDES PLACES LIKE HYDE PARK AND DOWNTOWN.
THEY WILL BE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
10:42:44AM >>VIK BHIDE:
CORRECT.
10:42:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLANS FOR THAT?
10:42:48AM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
TRACK DEMAND AND EXPAND IT TO ALL THE AREAS WHERE IS WE HAVE
THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE PARKING ENTERPRISE.
BUT BEYOND THAT, TO WIT'S POINT, PARTICULARLY FOR LOW INCOME
AREAS CURRENTLY OUR TRANSPORTATION COST IN OUR REGION AS A
PERCENTAGE OF OUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS AMONG THE HIGHEST IN
THE NATION.
ALMOST A QUARTER OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME BUDGET.
AND THAT IS VERY HIGH AND COMPARED TO 10 TO 11% IN NEW YORK
CITY WHERE THE AVERAGE IS 18%.
SO IF WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE
COMMUNITY FROM AN INCOME DIDN'T, THAT IS WHERE OUR FOCUS
WILL BE ON MORE TRANSIT, ELECTRIC TRANSITS CERTAINLY.
THOSE WILL BE EVS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND FIRST MILE, LAST MILE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND WORKING WITH OUR PLANNING FOLKS TO BRING SERVICES CLOSER
TO NEIGHBORHOODS TO REDUCE THOSE TRIP LENGTHS.
BECAUSE EVEN TODAY, 25% OF ALL TRIPS ARE UNDER TWO MILES.
10:43:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:43:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND ALL FACTUAL.
I THINK YOU WILL SEE REAL CHANGES IN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE
COMPONENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE NOT INTEGRATED.
WE ARE SEGREGATED BY DIFFERENT THINGS AND DIFFERENT IDEALISM
AND DIFFERENT INVENTIONS.
THERE ARE CARS NOW IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT COST LESS THAN --
AT BASE AT $45,000 MINUS 7500 THAT GIVE YOU 450 MILES.
THEY ARE GORGEOUS.
THEY LOOK LIKE THE BIG T.
AND THIS ONE MORE THAN LIKELY FROM WHAT I HEARD CAN
OUTPERFORM THOSE AT HALF THE COST.
HOWEVER, I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN.
IF WE WAIT A LITTLE LONGER, I THINK THE PRICES OF THEM WILL
COME DOWN DUE TO THE BATTERIES.
EVERY WEEK THERE IS A NEW BATTERY COMING OUT OF SOME SORT
MADE WITH DIFFERENT THINGS SO THE ENVIRONMENT WON'T BE AS
HURT AS IT HAS IN THE PAST AND THEY ARE MAKING ALL THESE
CHANGES TO COME UP WITH A COMPONENT.
YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GOING TO TAKE OVER
THE ELECTRIC CAR AND THAN IS HYDROGEN.
WHEN TOYOTA, THE LARGEST CARMAKER IN THE WORLD HAS BEEN
HESITANT TO SOME DEGREE AND GOING STRAIGHT, ELECTRIC, THEY
ARE ALREADY HAVING COMPONENT WITH THE HYDROGEN CAR.
WHEN THAT COST IS BROUGHT DOWN TO SOMETHING, YOU CAN CHARGE
A SEMI WHICH TAKES LESS THAN A MINUTE OR TWO MINUTES FROM
HERE TO NEW YORK CITY WITHOUT MAKING ONE STOP AND CARRYING
ITS LOAD ON HYDROGEN.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING.
I THINK THE BATTERIES WILL ALSO IMPROVE.
WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A TRIP FOR 400 MILES WITHOUT CHARGING --
WITHOUT EVER FEAR YOU WILL RUN OUT.
THE ONE I HAVE CAN GO 238.
I SAY 240.
BUT THERE ARE OTHERS COMING OUT THAT RIGHT NOW GO 300, 310,
340 WITH NO PROBLEM.
YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING AS A ONE-WAY, HOW FAR YOU CAN GO AND
YOU FEEL GREAT.
YOU LOOK AT THAT NEEDING AND DOWN TO TEN MILES AND THE
CHARGER IS EIGHT MILES AWAY, AM I GOING TO MAKE IT OR NOT?
BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT IN THE CAR.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HESITANT ON THE PUBLIC'S SIDE OF
DOING THOSE THINGS.
BUT ONCE THEY CATCH ON.
AND IF YOU WANT SPEED, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MAKE
A CAR THAT GOES A QUARTER OF A MILE IN 1.9 SECONDS.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON THE ROAD AND WHY MAKE IT.
IT IS A SELLING POINT AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO FAST.
THESE CARS HAVE A PICK-UP AND MOVE FAST AND THEY POP YOUR
NECK WHEN YOU HIT IT.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT TPD -- YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THEM, BUT
NOT GOING TO HEAR THEM.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY SO
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A CAR COMING?
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM.
YOU JUST -- YOU JUST DON'T HEAR THEM.
10:46:40AM >>VIK BHIDE:
THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.
THESE ARE CHALLENGES NATIONALLY THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
10:46:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:46:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THERE IS
AN ELECTRIC VIDEO THAT WILL GO 0 TO 60 IN TWO SECONDS.
10:46:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU KEEP DRIVING, I AM NOT.
10:46:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL STICK WITH MY LITTLE SMALL ONE.
THANK YOU, VIK.
10:47:03AM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU.
10:47:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF COMMUNITY AND GROWTH
MANAGEMENT.
TALK TO YOU ON THE POLICY SIDE OF IT AND WRAP UP OUR
PRESENTATION.
IT HAS BEEN AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH WIT AND VIK
AND LOOK AT THIS FROM A VERY INTEGRATED POLICY DIDN'T.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CURRENTLY CHAPTER 27, DOES NOT
CURRENTLY REQUIRE REVISION OF EV PARKING SPACES AS PART OF A
PROJECT'S PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THAT INCLUDES EITHER EV READY OR EV INSTALLED SPACES.
MOTION THAT WAS MADE RELATED TO THIS TOPIC ASKED US TO LOOK
AT THE CITY OF ORLANDO, CORAL GABLES AND THE CITY OF ST.
PETERSBURG.
AND I DO HAVE SOME TABLES FOR YOU ON THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
THE PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS -- WE WILL TALK FOR CITY
COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THIS MORNING.
AND IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH CODE CHANGES, THOSE WILL GO
INTO THAT YOU ARE JANUARY CYCLE.
SO IN RELATION TO THE CITY OF ORLANDO, THE NEXT SLIDE, THEY
DO ALSO LOOK AT EV-CAPABLE AND EV-INSTALLED.
AND THEY REQUIRE 20% FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE
MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECTS, GENERAL MULTIFAMILY, HOTEL AND
ALL THEIR PARKING.
AND NONRESIDENTIAL, 10% EV CAPABLE AND INDUSTRIAL.
THAT IS EV CAPABLE, WHAT VIK SHOWED YOU AT THE BEGINNING.
THE STUB OUT.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE MOST COSTLY.
WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING THE PROJECT, THAT IS THE TIME TO DO IT
SO YOU ARE NOT THEN RIPPING THINGS UP AND TRYING TO GO BACK.
THESE DO FUNCTION IN ADDITION TO THE PRESENTATION, I HAVE
BEEN MEETING WITH JC FROM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL STAT WHAT
THIS MEANS IN TERMS OF PERMITS AND THESE ARE PUT ON SEPARATE
SYSTEMS THAN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
THEY HAVE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF EV INSTALLED AND THEY KICK
IN ONCE YOU GET TO CERTAIN THRESHOLD NUMBER OF SPACES AND
YOU CAN SEE THOSE THERE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
CORAL GABLES STARTED OFF WITH AN ORIGINAL CODE AND REVISED
THE CODE.
THEY STARTED OUT WITH A 20 SPACE TRIGGER.
AND HAD PERCENTAGES.
AND THAT WAS FOR ALL PROJECTS OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL,
DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES.
ANYTHING MULTIFAMILY AND EVERYTHING NON RESI WERE THOSE
REQUIREMENTS.
THEY STARTED AT 2% PER 20 SPACES INSTALLED.
3% PER 20 SPACES READY.
AND 15% PER 20 SPACES CAPABLE.
AND NOW THEY HAVE MOVED TO A MORE AGGRESSIVE STANDARD, THIS
IS NOW BASED ON TEN -- ANY PROJECT WITH TEN SPACES OR MORE
AND THIS IS 5% INSTALLED, 20% READY, 20% CAPABLE AND YOU
HAVE TO LEAVE OUT EVERYTHING THAT IS LEFT.
THAT IS KIND OF THE OTHER EXTREME TO THE SPECTRUM.
NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS ST. PETERSBURG.
THE CITY OF ST. PETE, ONLY IF YOU HAVE A PARKING GARAGE, IF
YOU HAVE A PARKING GARAGE ASSOCIATE WITH YOUR PROJECT, THEY
HAVE A EV READY STANDARD OF 15% FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT HAS A
PARKING GARAGE 20% EV READY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL THAT HAS A
PARKING STRUCTURE.
AND THEY DO HAVE A EV SE READY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND
A EVSE-INSTALLED FOR THE NONRESIDENTIAL.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OOPS, THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION.
THEN I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON
HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THIS TOPIC.
WE WOULD SUGGEST AMENDING OUR DEFINITIONS IN OUR LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BE SURE WE HAVE AN EV CAPABLE AND EV
INSTALLED DEFINITION THAT THE CODE DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE
AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT OVER 50 SPACES
WE REQUIRE 5% BE OVER EV CAPABLE.
SO ON 100-SPACE PROJECT, THAT WILL GIVE YOU FIVE SPACES.
THAT WILL BE EV CAPABLE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE MARKET TO DRIVE WHEN THOSE
CHARGERS WOULD, IN FACT, GO INTO PLAY.
SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION THIS MORNING RELATED TO
THE POLICY ASPECT.
I AM OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND ANY QUESTIONS AND DIRECTION
THAT YOU MAY LIKE TO MAKE IN RELATION TO THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
10:51:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
10:52:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T HAVE ANY.
10:52:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS?
THANK YOU.
I AM HANDING THE GAVEL TO YOU.
MISS FEELEY, I AM LIKING WHAT I AM SEEING HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE.
I WILL ASK YOUR DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE -- YOU ARE NOT HAVING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS NOW FOR
ON-STREET PARKING CHARGERS?
10:52:29AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THIS IS ONLY FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
THE PUBLIC REALM AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FALLS UNDER THE
JURISDICTION OF MOBILITY.
THIS WILL NOT BE ON THE STREETS BUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT
THE CITY SEE WITH 50 SPACES OR MORE.
10:52:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS FEELEY, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PROCEED
WITH THE HOUSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:52:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL SECOND THAT.
10:52:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND I AM HOPING THAT VIK CAN RETURN TO US
SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE TO TALK ABOUT ON-STREET PARKING.
10:52:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO AND A
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
10:53:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION?
10:53:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
10:53:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY I MISSED THIS.
IT YOU THIS APPLY TO NEW ACTIONSES FOR --
10:53:10AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ONLY NEW DEVELOPMENT, YES, SIR.
10:53:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TOME MAKE SURE WE DON'T SCARE ANYBODY.
10:53:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
10:53:21AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:53:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:53:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:53:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN.
10:53:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GUDES A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE --
10:53:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FORGIVE ME, IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO
SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE SUBJECT IS.
10:53:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL MAKE THE MOTION AT THE END.
ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:53:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.
10:53:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS SAYING THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE
ARE PROBABLY NOT FOR EV CHARGING.
AND I WAS TALKING TO OUR CLERK EARLIER AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE
PERSON WHO WANTS TO CALL IN AND MAKE A -- PLEASE, COUNCILMAN
GUDES.
PLEASE PROCEED.
10:54:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I LOOK AT THE NEXT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I AM KIND OF UPSET A
LITTLE BIT.
THIS COUNCIL HAD MADE PROVISIONS TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED
MEETING TO DEAL WITH ALL CHARTER ISSUES.
IT IS GOING ON 11:00.
I HAVE AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD TURKEYS ON HERE.
WE HAD THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
WE HAD EVs WHICH IS ALL GOOD ITEMS.
BUT IN THE WRONG PLACE.
WE HAVE SET AN ASSIGNED SCHEDULE.
WE HAD APPOINT A PERSON TO DO A WORKSHOP THAT WE WERE
APPARENTLY PAYING TO DO.
AND WE GOT AWAY I FROM THE SCHEDULE.
WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
THIS IS THE CHARTER.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT SPECIAL CALLED MEETING TO DEAL WITH ALL
THE CHARTER ISSUE BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST TWO.
APPOINTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH BECAUSE OF THE
INTERPRETATION AND VERBIAGE.
BOARD INTERPRETATION -- MISS HURTAK, YOU WERE PART OF THE
CHARTER REVIEW AND YOU AND ME LOOKED TOGETHER WHEN TALKING
OF THE BOARDS AS YOU RECALL.
THAT IS NOT KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND IT WENT ON.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD CITIZENS WHO CAME HERE TO TALK OF THE 49
YEARS -- BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE ISSUES THAT ARISE ON
EVERYTHING, YOU HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES SOMETIMES.
IT HAS BEEN -- IT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING THING WITH THE CHARTER
REVIEW, PEOPLE HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS AND THINGS HAVE KIND OF
GOT FLUSTERED AND AWRY.
AND THINGS NEED TO BE CHANGED OR LOOKED AT.
I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT IT NEEDS TO IT BE -- GO BACK TO THE
ORIGINAL PLAN WITH THE PERSON THAT WAS GOING TO DO THE
CHARTER REVIEW WORKSHOP AND THOUGH ITEMS THAT MR. SHELBY --
I THINK YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO ITEMS WRITTEN DOWN FOR
DISCUSSION, AM I RIGHT, SIR?
10:55:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS RIGHT, SIR.
IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, YES, THERE WAS OTHER ITEMS OTHER
THAN WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA, THAT IS TRUE.
10:55:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T WANT TO ENTERTAIN OTHER PEOPLE'S
OPINION, BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED FOR THE SPECIAL
CALLED MEETING TO DEAL WITH ALL THE CHARTER ISSUES.
10:55:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:56:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
I WAS REALLY HOPING FOR A -- FOR A FACILITATOR.
AND I WOULD BE -- I WOULD BE HAPPY IF YOU WANTED TO
ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR A SPECIAL CALL.
I WOULD 100% BE THERE.
I WAS ALREADY GOING TO BRING IT UP FOR SOME OF THE ISSUESES
THAT ARE ON THIS AGENDA.
AND SO I -- I DISAGREE THAT THIS IS -- THAT THIS ONLY
HAPPENS EVERY TEN YEARS.
JUST FOR THE FACT CAN THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR 42, 43 YEARS
IS -- YOU KNOW, IT IS A FAULT OF THE CITY BACK THEN, BUT
JUST SAYING THAT WE CAN ONLY REVIEW THIS EVERY TEN YEARS BY
CITIZENS IS NOT TRUE.
WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
THIS IS OUR JOB.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT ANYTHING THAT WE DEEM IMPORTANT.
WE CAN'T DO IT OURSELVES.
WE CAN'T JUST SAY UNILATERALLY THIS IS GOING TO BE IT.
BUT WE PUT IT TO THE VOTERS.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO AS A BODY.
SO I -- WHILE I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY,
I -- I ABSOLUTELY THINK.
IF WE HAVE A 20-QUESTION BALLOT.
WE HAVE A 20-QUESTION BALLOT.
IF -- IF WE HAVE VOTERS BRINGING THINGS TO US SAYING, HEY,
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE
AS A BODY, CANNOT I AGREE HE ON SOMETHING.
FOLKS ARE STARTING TO GO AROUND AND ASKING FOR IT TO BE PUT
ON THE BALLOT.
IT'S -- I DON'T DISAGREE.
I WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE SPECIAL CALL, BUT I ALSO THINK
THAT WE CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT CRB TODAY.
BUT MAYBE THE OTHERS HOLD OFF ON, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO.
I STILL THINK A DISCUSSION DOESN'T HURT TO HELP -- I THINK
ALSO WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE TODAY ARE IDEAS THROWN OUT FOR
OTHER THINGS THAT PARTICULAR COUNCILMEMBERS WANTS TO
DISCUSS.
BECAUSE I WAS TOLD TODAY TO BRING ISSUES THAT I WANTED TO
DISCUSS.
AND MAYBE IF WE HAD MORE -- OR MAYBE MARTY CAN COME US TO
INDIVIDUALLY TO DISCUSS WHAT TYPES OF THINGS WE WANT TO PUT
ON THIS DISCUSSION SO WHEN WE HAVE A FACILITATOR, THAT
PERSON CAN GO IN AN ORDER.
BUT I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AND PART OF OUR JOB.
10:58:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES THAT BECAUSE
THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO TALK OF CHARTERS, IF WE ADDED
SOMETHING, WHICH I DISAGREED WITH WHEN WE PROPOSED THEM.
SHOULD HAVE ADDED THEM AT THE END, NOT AT THE BEGINNING.
WHETHER THAT WAS DONE ACCIDENTALLY OR ON PURPOSE, I WISH WE
COULD HAVE FOCUSED ON THESE THINGS.
10:58:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DEFINE ACCIDENTALLY OR ON PURPOSE, PLEASE.
10:58:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE KNOW ADMINISTRATION HELPS SET THE AGENDA
AND YOU DO TOO.
THE ADMINISTRATION -- AND THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANT THIS
MEETING.
THEY DELAYED THE OTHER DISCUSSION SO WE COULDN'T TALK ABOUT
THEM.
10:59:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
QUITE AN ACCUSATION, BUT PLEASE PROCEED.
10:59:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WELL, IT'S -- IT'S -- ANYBODY CAN LOOK AT
THE RECORD.
I WILL SAY WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR ON THAT POINT.
THE ADMINISTRATION AND CITY ATTORNEY OFTEN TELL US WE NEED
TO WORRY OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS AND THE STRONG MAYOR
FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
I WOULD SAY IT WORKS BOTH WAYS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS
TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE LIMITED POWER OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
STRONG MAYOR ONLY MEANS -- AS MR. SHAW DEFINES US TO AND BY
LAW, THE STRONG MAYOR MEANS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T SIT ON
CITY COUNCIL AND A DICTATORSHIP LIKE WE HAVE SEEN IN THE
PAST AND DOESN'T MEAN THAT A MAYOR CAN DO WHATEVER THEY
WANT.
A LOT OF LOBBYING.
THE MAYOR SET OUT A STATEMENT EARLIER THAT THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE HAS RALLIED PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO COME TO TALK
TO US, SENDS USES LETTERS.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT I WILL SAY AS MUCH AS
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ASK US TO RESPECT THE SEPARATION OF
POWERS, THEY RESPECT OUR POWERS AND ALLOW US TO MAKE THE
DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IN TERMS OF THE TIMING OF THIS, NOT ALL THE FAULT IS ON THE
ADMINISTRATION.
OTHER REASONS WHY WE DELAYED THE DISCUSSION, BUT MISSED THE
FALL VOTING WINDOW.
AND NOW WE ARE AT RISK OF RISKING MARCH.
MY FEAR OF DELAYING IT, AND CONTINUE TO PUSH IT OUT AND FIND
OTHER EXCUSES IF THE FACILITATOR IS NOT AVAILABLE OR
SOMEBODY IS OFF STICK.
I WOULD RATHER GO TODAY.
IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH TODAY, I DON'T THINK WE
SHOULD GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST BECAUSE WE SET EXPECTATIONS
IN THE PUBLIC.
WE SHOULD EITHER GO TODAY.
AND I HAVE A PROCESS THAT I SUGGEST WE USE TODAY.
IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO TODAY, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND JUST DEFER IT AND SET UP THE
SCHEDULE.
FURTHER TO COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK'S POINT AND THE CHARTER SAYS
SECTION 10.10, A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
WE SET THAT UP WHILE WE WERE ON CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND
10.11 WHICH IS EQUAL IN THE CHARTER THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN
PUT ANYTHING ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WHENEVER WE WANT.
I SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WITH YOU ALL.
AND HAVING SAT ON -- ON THE CITY COUNCIL NOW FOR THREE AND A
HALF YEARS, I SEE A LOT OF IMPERFECTIONS IN THE CHARTER.
CONTRARY TO STATEMENTS PUSHED OUT BY THE ADMINISTRATION, IT
IS NOT ANTI-BUSINESS.
IT IS NOT ANTI-STABILITY.
NOT A THREAT TO THE STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
THERE ARE JUST LOOPHOLES WE NEED TO FIX.
I HAVE A LIST OF CHANGES I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE.
I WILL HAND THIS OUT AS THE FINAL WORD.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT WILL I WOULD SUGGEST IN TERMS OF A
PROCESS -- YEAH.
PROPOSAL I WILL MAKE IN TERMS OF A PROCESS WHETHER WE DO IT
NOW OR ANOTHER TIME.
I THINK THIS SHOULD NOT BE A LONG, LONG -- WE CAN HAVE A
LONG DISCUSSION IF YOU WANT ABOUT ANY OF THESE, BUT WHAT I
WOULD SUGGESTS THAT EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER GO THROUGH THE
LIST OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS ONE BY ONE.
AS THEY PROPOSE EACH ONE, THEN COUNCIL WILL DISCUSS -- AND
THE CHAIR CAN LEAD THAT DISCUSSION.
AND LET EACH PERSON TALK IF THEY WANT.
AND AT THAT POINT, IF WE WANT TO LET THE COMMUNITY WEIGH IN,
WE CAN.
AND THE NEXT POINT WOULD BE TO -- FOLLOWING DISCUSSION, A --
A -- THE CITY, THE PROPOSING COUNCILMEMBER COULD MAKE A
MOTION AND THE MOTION WOULD BE -- THE CITY STAFF DOESN'T
HAVE TIME TO REVIEW ALL OF THESE.
SO WE WILL ASK THEM TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO REVIEW AND
EDIT THEM TO MAKE THEM SUFFICIENT AS A PROPOSAL FOR THE --
FOR THE CHARTER.
AND THEN THEY WILL PRESENT IT BACK -- IF WE GO TODAY,
PRESENT IT BACK ON NOVEMBER 3 TO HAVE TIME TO PUT IT ON THE
BALLOT BEFORE MARCH AND WHATEVER THE DEADLINE IS THERE.
BUT THE FOURTH POINT I WILL MAKE AND SOMETHING TRUE WHEN WE
WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND FOR CITY COUNCIL
THEREAFTER.
PROPOSED BY MIKE SUAREZ.
WE SHOULDN'T -- EVEN TECHNICALLY WE COULD LET SOMETHING
ADVANCE WITH FOUR VOTES.
WE SHOULD ONLY LET SOMETHING ADVANCE FOR FIVE VOTES.
IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE VOTES, THE MAYOR WILL VETO IT.
THE MAYOR ALREADY SAID IN A STATEMENT SHE IS AGAINST ANY
CHANGES.
IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE VOTES, IT JUST FAILS.
I PROPOSE IN MY SUGGESTIONS WHETHER WE GO THROUGH IT TODAY
OR LATER.
I WILL READ THEM.
YOU CAN COMMENT ON IT.
WE VOTE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE VOTES, IT IS DEAD.
IF IT PASS IT IS COMES TO NOVEMBER 3.
IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE VOTES AGAIN, THEN IT DIES AS WELL.
THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU.
11:03:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:03:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM NOT HERE TO REALIZE
WHAT IS HAPPENING.
WHAT I SEE FROM WHAT I REMEMBER -- AND I WILL ASK LATER ON
TO GET THE VOTES AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMITTEE.
I CERTAINLY WASN'T PART OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE
ITSELF.
I WAS ONE OF THE VOTES THAT HELPED CREATE IT AT THAT TIME,
IF I SEE HERE -- MAYBE I AM COUNTING WRONG.
I AM NOT BEING APOLOGETIC.
WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT SAT ON THE CHARTER
REVIEW.
WE HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY WHO SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW.
AM I CORRECT.
11:04:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TWO.
11:04:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE
CHARTER REVIEW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VOTES WENT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER BECAUSE I WASN'T A PART OF YOU GUYS.
I REMEMBER THAT YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER IT WAS A
SIX, EIGHT VOTES, 12 VOTES.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET A COMPLETE ORDER OF VOTES THAT WERE CAST
ON EACH AND EVERY ITEM THAT CAME BEFORE THE CHARTER VERY
VIEW BEFORE I DO ANYTHING REGARDING.
BECAUSE THE FOUR MEMBERS THAT SIT ON THIS COUNCIL VOTED
UNANIMOUSLY WITH THE OTHER GROUP, THEN WHY THE CHANGE NOW.
I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
I TRUST EVERYONE, BUT I TRY TO VERIFY EVERYTHING.
SO THERE IS WHERE I HAVE A CONFLICT WITH MYSELF.
I TRUST YOU ALL.
I DON'T WANT TO -- BUT I WANT TO VERIFY MY FACTS FOR ME SO I
CAN INTELLIGENTLY, MAYBE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW
YOU ALL VOTED ON THAT REVIEW.
I DON'T HAVE THOSE RECORDS.
SO I AM ASKING FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW, IF THEY HAVE THE
MINUTES, ON EVERY VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN WHAT THE VOTE WAS.
AND IF IT WAS -- I FORGET HOW MANY MEMBERS.
I KNOW SOME NUMBER THAT WAS LARGER THAN SEVEN.
SO THAT IS WHAT I NEED.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.
11:05:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:05:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:05:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DISCUSSION.
11:05:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY DISCUSSION?
11:05:35AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DISCUSSION.
11:05:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:05:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM RESPECTING WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS
EXPECTING TO DO.
VOTES TAKEN AND THINGS PASS AND THINGS FAIL.
WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU AS A PERSON SITTING ON THE
COUNCIL.
FLAWS ON THE CHARTER THAT THIS REVIEW COMMISSION DID NOT SEE
OR DID NOT KNOW.
THAT IS THE REASON IN COUNCILMEMBERS ARE ASKING TO BE LOOKED
AT.
YES, A COMMISSION.
AND DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CHARTER.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CHARTER.
AGAIN VOTES WERE TAKEN, BUT SITTING AS A MEMBER OF THIS
COUNCIL NOW, I SEE FLAWS I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT, I DID NOT
UNDERSTAND OF AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
NOW SIT ON THIS COUNCIL, I SEE ISSUES OF INTERPRETATION AT
TIMES.
I SEE ISSUES THAT CONTRADICT ONE ANOTHER OF ANOTHER OFFERED
NANCE AND STATUTE IN OUR CHARTER AND NEED TO BE LOOKED UPON,
SIR.
THAT IS THE REASON.
11:06:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE IT.
MAY I AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE HOW LONG THE COMMISSION
CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD MET AND HOW MANY TIMES AND WE
UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DID.
ANY TIME IN THE DISCUSSION IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT
WAS BROUGHT UP THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE CHARTER.
11:06:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECOND.
SECOND THE MOTION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:06:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I JUST -- I JUST WANT TO SAY AS A
MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE, OUT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I HAVE
MAYBE ONE OF THEM WAS DISCUSSED AT THE CHARTER REVIEW --
THESE ARE ALL NEW THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES.
NEW THINGS THAT I DISCOVERED HOW THAT ACTING ON CITY
COUNCIL.
AND AS I SAID BEFORE, NOTHING THAT I AM PROPOSING WILL WORK
AGAINST A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
NOTHING WILL DISRUPT BUSINESS.
NOTHING TO DISRUPT THE ECONOMY.
SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T WANT CHANGE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AS YOU LOOK AT THE DISCUSSIONS, THEY WERE VERY GOOD
DISCUSSIONS; HOWEVER, I WILL ALSO TELL YOU, WE SET A -- WE
SET TWO PROCESSES AT THE BEGINNING WITH THE FACILITATOR.
NUMBER ONE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A CHAIR SO NO REAL LEADERSHIP
OF IT.
NUMBER TWO, NINE MEMBERS -- WE SAID WE HAVE TO HAVE A
SUPERMAJORITY WHICH IS SIX TO APPROVE ANYTHING.
AND THE FORMER MAYOR HAD ENOUGH VOTES EITHER DIRECTLY OR
INDIRECTLY THAT ANYTHING HE DIDN'T LIKE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD.
THERE WERE A LOT OF -- I AM NOT PROPOSING THOSE.
NEW THINGS THAT POPPED UP THAT NEED NOBODY TWEAKED.
NOT ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE OFFENSIVE TO ANYBODY.
BUT JUST TWEAK IT SO IT WORKS FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:08:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAY I MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT.
11:08:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE FIRST.
11:08:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AMEND THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS APPOINTED BY
THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR WANT A COMPLETEDOWN ON HOW THEY VOTED.
11:08:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:08:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.
COUNCIL, JUST BY WAY OF -- A REMINDER THE DEADLINE BY THE
CLERK'S OFFICE IS -- I BELIEVE IT'S -- JANUARY 20 LAST I
CHECKED.
11:08:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PLENTY OF TIME.
11:08:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JANUARY 20, 2023.
11:08:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PLENTY OF TIME.
11:08:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEY NEED A TIME TO GET IT AT LEAST A WEEK
OR TWO TO SECURE THE TRANSLATION.
JUST SO YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH TIME YOU DO YOU HAVE.
11:09:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
STILL HAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AMENDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN -- SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:09:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THERE A TIME --
11:09:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:09:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A TIME FRAME OF WHO YOU THAT WILL BE
CONDUCTED AND WHO IS GOING TO DO IT.
I CAN TELL THAT YOU IS QUITE A LABOR-INTENSIVE PROCESS.
ARE YOU DIRECTING IT WITH A TIME FRAME?
AND ARE YOU DIRECT IT TO A CERTAIN DEPARTMENT OR PERSON?
11:09:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE RECORDS ARE THERE.
I CAN GO DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW -- WHEN I AM NOT HERE, FILE A
REVIEW AND ASK FOR THE SAME THING ANY PUBLIC -- ANY OFFICIAL
WHO LIVES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN ASK.
I CAN FILE THAT AND THEY HAVE TO GIVE ME THE SAME
INFORMATION.
SO THAT IS DONE KIND OF QUICKLY.
WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO GO.
I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AS A COUNCILMEMBER, I CAN DO IT AS
CHARLIE MIRANDA.
11:10:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOT ASKING FOR A NEW COMPILATION.
11:10:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I ASKED.
11:10:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TIME WAS THE NEXT QUESTION.
IS THERE A TIME FOR IT TO COME BACK, SIR?
11:10:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I ASKED FOR IT TO COME BACK WITHIN 30
DAYS.
DOES THAT SATISFY YOU, SIR?
WHICH DATE DO YOU WANT, SIR.
11:10:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:10:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S FINE.
11:10:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:10:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THINK IT SHOULD BE EASY.
THE MINUTES AND RECORDING FROM THE MEETINGS.
THAT IS WHAT I WOULD DO WATCH IT -- IS THAT SUFFICIENT.
TYPICAL PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST.
SO I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
IN 30 DAY ALSO PUT US IT SHALL THE 27th IS THE WORKSHOP.
NOVEMBER 3 IS THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION.
NOVEMBER 3.
11:11:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FINE WITH ME.
11:11:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:11:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL BE A YEAR WISER.
11:11:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
11:11:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OR MAYBE NOT SO WISE.
LISTEN, AT MY AGE, A LIFE SENTENCE IS VERY SHORT.
11:11:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
HANG ON, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:11:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT IN THAT I THINK
I WOULD -- I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO COME BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS.
SO I THINK EITHER THE COUNCIL WORKSHOP OR THE 20th SESSION.
BECAUSE MY NEXT MOTION WILL BE TO SET AN ACTUAL MEETING FOR
THIS DIRECTLY AFTERWARDS.
BECAUSE JANUARY 20 SOUNDS LIKE IT IS FAR OFF, BUT IT REALLY
ISN'T.
I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
SO WITHIN THOSE -- 30 DAYS WILL BE THE 22nd.
SO I THINK IT SHOULD COME BACK.
AND IF IT IS JUST -- IF IT IS JUST RECORDS, THEN --
11:12:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU REMEMBER MISS AGLERA CORENZIA.
TO HAVE ALL THE MINUTES.
QUITE A PACKET.
11:12:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STILL HAVE IT.
11:12:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ABSOLUTELY.
AND IF THE COUNCIL HAS TIME TO REVIEW IT IN TIME.
THE RECORDINGS BUT TO SIT THROUGH HOW MANY -- WHAT WERE THE
MEETINGS, TWO HOURS.
11:12:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AT LEAST.
11:12:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TIMES TEN MEETINGS PERHAPS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THE INFORMATION
YOU WILL BE GETTING.
11:12:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE IS FINE.
AS LONG AS WE CAN SET SOMETHING UP IN TWO WEEKS.
11:12:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT AMENABLE TO THE MOTION MAKER.
11:12:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S FINE.
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
11:12:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OCTOBER 20.
11:12:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT FINE WITH YOU?
11:12:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.
11:12:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:13:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA -- EXCUSE ME ORIGINAL MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:13:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:13:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:13:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:13:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:13:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:13:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:13:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:13:29AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:13:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW GO TO COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU ARE
RECOGNIZED.
11:13:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I WILL SPEAK BRIEFLY AND SPEAKING LONG WILL UNDERMINE WHAT I
AM TRYING TO SAY.
I AM NOT OPPOSED AS A PHILOSOPHICAL MATTER OF AMENDING
CHARTER RIGHT NOW.
I AM NOT.
IT IS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
WITH REGARDS TO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER WE SHOULD GO FORWARD
TODAY.
WILL BE THE HEIGHT OF INEFFICIENCY AND DISCUSSION IF WE DID
NOT.
I BROUGHT THE ISSUE UP.
POSITIONED TO DO A DISABILITY HOUSING WORKSHOP AND MOVED IT
TO JANUARY.
RIGHT NOW 11:14.
ABOUT 11:15.
WE CAN MOVE ON THIS AND HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION.
THE PROCEDURES THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON NOTED, I FINDS THESE
TO BE VERY REASONABLE AND MAKE EFFICIENT USE.
I THINK IT IS GREAT TO HAVE EACH COUNCILMEMBER SPEAK CHARTER
AMENDMENT THEY WOULD LIKE.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WHAT NOT.
I DON'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN AND CANCEL IT AND MOVE IT TO
THE OTHER DAY.
THAT IS A HEIGHT OF DYSFUNCTION AND INEFFICIENCY.
FOR THE RECORD TO BE HERE FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT MEETING I
GOT HOME FROM WEST PALM BEACH AT 3 A.M. AND HERE TO DISCUSS
THE CHARTER AND DISCUSS THESE ISSUES.
IF WE CAN GET IT ALL DONE WITHIN THE TIME FRAME, GREAT.
IF WE CAN'T, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER ONE BUT NOT PRESUPPOSE
THAT WE CAN'T.
LET'S JUST MOVE ON AND I WILL BE QUIET SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
THANK YOU.
11:14:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:14:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
11:14:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:15:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM HAPPY EITHER WAY DISCUSS IT TO $OR
AS COUNCILMAN GUDES TALKED ABOUT GETTING A FACILITATOR AND
WHATNOT.
TIME IS OF ESSENCE.
WE WILL MAKE IT TO THE MARCH BALLOT.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE.
I WILL SAY THAT THE PREVIOUS TIME THAT THE CHARTER WAS
LOOKED AT WAS 1974, 1975.
AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU WERE NEWLY ELECTED.
YOU KNOW -- AND I SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY BECAUSE YOU WERE
THERE.
AND THIS DID NOT COME BACK UNTIL I WAS IN MY PREVIOUS TERM
ON COUNCIL WHEN, AGAIN, THEN I HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING WITH
YOU AND WE BROUGHT UP THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
WE DISCUSSED THAT.
SO SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME PASSED BETWEEN 1970s UNTIL IT
WAS BROUGHT UP TO HOOK AT THIS CHARTER.
AND I ASK MYSELF -- BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS
VERY SERIOUSLY.
WE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION.
THE BOARD THAT WAS SET -- MANY OF THE PEOPLE WERE ON THE
BOARD.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS MY APPOINTEE TO THAT BOARD AND SO
MUCH WAS DISCUSSED AND A LOT WAS DONE.
IT NECESSARY AGAIN TO -- I AM NOT SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE
DISCUSSION.
WE WILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT TO REVISIT THIS CHARTER
WHICH IS THE CITY'S CONSTITUTION IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF
TIME SINCE THE REVIEW BOARD -- SINCE THE CHARTER REVIEW
BOARD MET, CONSIDERING THAT SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME
PASSED FROM THE 1970s.
LOOK, HOW OFTEN IS THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AMENDED?
I MEAN, THERE ARE INSTANCES IN THE 20th CENTURY WHEN WERE
HICKS REPEALING PROHIBITION AND WHAT NOT.
THIS IS OUR CITY'S CONSTITUTION.
SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND TREAT RESPECTFULLY AND
CAREFULLY, BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT WE CHANGE.
IN LOOKING AT.
11:16:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
'S GUIDELINES, I AGREE WITH IT.
VERY FAIR AND AN ORGANIZED WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
NUMBER ONE, EACH CITY COUNCILMEMBER WILL REVIEW ONE BY ONE
THEIR LIVING OF CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY BECAUSE I AM HAPPY WITH THE CHARTER AS IT
IS.
I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING RADICAL -- I AM NOT SAYING THAT
WE ARE -- OR CONSIDER CHANGE IT.
SHOULD BE A EVERY TEN-YEAR PROCESS.
AND WE JUST LOOKED AT IT AND THERE HE, FOUR YEARS LATER WE
ARE LOOKING TO TWEAK IT AGAIN.
I AM NOT AGAINST THE PROCESS AND THE DISCUSSION IS IT IS TOO
SOON, IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
11:17:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY.
11:17:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MIRANDA.
11:17:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAY WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S
COMMENTS.
THE CHARTER -- THREE OF US GOT ELECTED IN 1974.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORK GREAT INDIVIDUALS AND THE TWO
THAT GOT ELECTED WERE VERY DEAR TO MY HEART ALONG WITH SANDY
FREEMAN.
OTHER WAS JAN PLATT.
I LEARNED A LOT FROM BOTH OF THEM.
PLATT'S MOTION IN 1974 TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER.
AND -- I AM SMILING AT MYSELF BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE
CONVERSATION.
IN FACT, I WAS SITTING IN THIS SAME CHAIR.
THE DAIS WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT SITTING IN THE SAME
CHAIR.
AND CONVERSATION THAT CAME UP STARTED WITH CHICKENS AND
HORSES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT IS HOW LONG BEFORE IT WAS REVIEWED, I WOULD IMAGINE AND
SHE IS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP.
TALKING OF THE CHARTER -- YOU CAN LOOK IT UP AND MAYBE I AM
A LITTLE OFF LINE, BUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS BUT THE MAIN
THINGS THAT STUCK IN MY MIND THAT EVEN IN THE CHARTER THEN,
I ADDRESSED THE ANIMALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I -- I THINK I REMEMBER THAT.
MAYBE I WAS DREAM BEING IT, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO VERIFY
ME AND SAY I WAS INCORRECT, I AM -- I AM WELCOME WITH THAT.
BECAUSE 1974 WASN'T YESTERDAY.
BUT AM GREAT THING THAT WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS.
THE WHOLE THING WAS DIFFERENT.
IF YOU TALK ABOUT EFFICIENCY, INEFFICIENCY.
TIME TELLS WHAT IS EFFICIENT OR NOT.
WE NEVER HAD THESE THINGS GIVEN TO US.
A MIME GRAPH MACHINE WITH THINGS THAT HAD TO BE DONE.
NOBODY HAD AN OFFICE.
A LITTLE PUNCH HOLE WITH E-MAILS -- NOT E-MAILS BUT A PINK
SLIP THAT GAVE YOU A NUMBER.
ONE TELEPHONE RIGHT BEHIND HERE.
AND THE OFFICE THAT WE ARE AT NOW WHERE THE MAYOR'S
ASSISTANT AND WHERE THE CITY CLERK IS AT WAS MAYOR POE'S
OFFICE.
AND IT WAS DIFFERENT.
WAS IT BETTER?
YOU GOT TO ASK THE PUBLIC, NOT ME.
WAS IT MORE EFFICIENT THAN NOW?
I TELL YOU WHAT, IT WAS MUCH MORE COMMUNICATION THAN NOW.
AND TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATION, YOU HAD PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA
THAT WILL FOLLOW YOU HOME.
THEY WANT A STORY.
THEY WANTED TO SEE IF YOU DRANK.
THEY -- WE DON'T EVEN FROM MEDIA NOW.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS PEOPLE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THE RIGHT
WAY, BUT MEDIA IS SO SCATTERED THAT THE GO END RALE PUBLIC
ONLY LOOKS AT WHAT?
THEEST IN FOR INFORMATION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAPERS THEN ON WHAT -- ON HOW THEY WROTE.
AND IN THE WANT ADS.
THERE WAS FOUR OR FIVE PAGES OF WANT ADS.
NOW YOU ARE LUCKY OF A QUARTER OF A PAGE.
THE MEDIA IS GOING OUT OF HIS.
NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, BUT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS NOT
LISTENING TO THEM.
PLEASE CHECK.
I WANT TO SEE IF I AM RIGHT OR WRONG, TRYING TO GET MY MINDS
BACK A FEW YEARS BACK.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS RIGHT.
THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT, MR. MANISCALCO.
11:20:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:20:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:20:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S POINT.
WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE CITY IN 2004, ONE OF THE FIRST
QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED WAS ABOUT THE CHARTER.
AT THE TIME THE CLERK, SHIRLEY FOXX- KNOWLES HAD A WHOLE
LIST OF AMENDMENTS ON THE BALLOT FOR CITY CHARTER.
I STILL HAVE THAT AND SHE CAN UPDATE IT BECAUSE THERE HAVE
BEEN SEVERAL THAT HAVE BEEN ON THERE THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED
ON THE BALLOT THAT THE VOTERS HAVE VOTED ON.
SO IT'S -- AND IT MIGHT BE INFORMATIVE TO COUNCIL.
MOST OF THEM PASSED.
SOME OF THEM -- ACTUALLY IT WAS DURING THE FREEMAN
ADMINISTRATION IS IT NOT AS I RECALL.
I CAN PROVIDE TO MISS FOXX-KNOWLES AND USEFUL TO COUNCIL TO
SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME PLACED ON THE BALLOT AT
WHAT TIME AND WHOSE ADMINISTRATION AND HOW IT TURNED OUT.
11:21:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LOVE THAT.
11:21:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FIRST AND
THEN TO YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:21:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN -- WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, BUT IT
JUST SEEMS TO ME WITH ALL THIS ADDITION ALE INFORMATION THAT
WE ARE GOING TO GET, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD CONTINUE
TODAY.
BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE -- THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT
REVIEWED THE CHARTER.
IT WAS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT REVIEWED THE
CHARTER AND CITY COUNCIL THAT REVIEWED THE CHARTER
COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY DID -- THE CITY COUNT ITSELF DID NOT REVIEW THE
CHARTER.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TO HAVE.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD SPEND ALL DAY ON A IT AND NOTHING
ELSE.
I -- I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC THINGS EITHER TODAY.
I REALLY WAS HOPING THIS COULD JUST BE A CONVERSATION THAT
COULD START.
BUT IF OTHERS HAVE SOMETHING, THAT IS WONDERFUL.
TO ME, THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE A ONE IN DONE.
TO ME THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF A CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE WE HAVE SWITCHED IT SO MANY TIMES, I DIDN'T KNOW IF
FOLKS WERE READY.
AND I THOUGHT THIS CONVERSATION TO ME WOULD BRING MORE
QUESTIONS FOR ME.
THAT IS THE WAY I LOOKED AT THIS -- THIS CONVERSATION.
BUT I AM -- I AM HAPPY TO CONTINUE NOW.
I AM HAPPY TO GO AS FAR AS WE CAN AND DO IT AGAIN, BUT IF WE
ARE WE ARE HAVING ALL THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHAT IS
THE POINT.
WE CAN HAVE THIS, BUT WHY?
IF THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO MEET AGAIN AND DISCUSS
THIS.
SO.
11:23:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:23:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A THRESHOLD DISCUSSION OF THE SUBJECT
MATTER THAT MIGHT COME UP IN THE FUTURE AND A STRONG
SENTIMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS MR. CARLSON SUGGESTS, MAY
PUT THE MATTER TO BED TODAY THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT MATTER.
OTHERWISE, HOWEVER THE COUNCIL WISHES TO DO IT.
I -- LET ME -- LET ME JUST STOP THERE.
11:23:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:23:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY
HERE THAT HAS BEEN DIFFERENT THAN EVER.
IN THAT WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS OF THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION, PLUS WE HAVE THREE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO
APPOINTED MEMBERS OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, REVIEWED
THEIR WORK AND VOTED ON CHARTER CHANGES.
SEVEN PEOPLE HERE WHO HAPPEN TO BE VERY EXPERIENCED IN THE
AREA.
IF WE DECIDE TO GO FORWARD, MY REQUEST MIGHT BREAK MY
PROCESS HERE, BUT ON THE CRB ONE, THAT WE SEE WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND BEFORE WE PROCEED.
AND LAST COMMENT IS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK PROPOSED MOVING TO
ANOTHER DAY.
I WOULD SUGGEST SO WE CAN END THIS CONVERSATION, THAT SHE GO
AHEAD AND MOVE TO A PARTICULAR TATE AND VOTE IT UP AND DOWN.
IF IT GOES DOWN, WE NEED TO SET UP A PROCESS -- WHAT?
-- OTHERWISE WE NEED TO AGREE ON THE PROCESS TODAY AND
CONTINUE.
11:24:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE FACILITATOR
WHO WAS ENGAGED THROUGH USF'S INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT AND
SPOKE WITH ANGELA CHRIS THIS WEEK AND THEY ARE STILL ON
DIDN'T.
BUT THE MATTER OF THE AVAILABILITY OF THE CHAMBERS.
THIS CAME UP THE LAST TIME.
THE MATTER OF THE AVAILABILITY OF THE CHAMBERS.
AND MATTER OF THE AVAILABILITY OF THE FACILITATOR.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE COUNCIL.
THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES --
11:25:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENTS.
AT A POINT OF PRIVILEGE TO A COUNCILMAN, HE WANTED TO START
THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION.
THAT HAS BEEN ALMOST 40 MINUTES.
I BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THIS AGENDA ITEM VERY
QUICKLY WHEN WE TALK OF AN AGENDA, EVERYBODY GETS A DRAFT OF
THAT, ESPECIALLY A FINAL DRAFT.
AND IT COMES TO US ON TUESDAY.
ANYBODY COULD HAVE SENT A MEMO TO MY OFFICE SAYING THEY
DON'T LIKE THE AGENDA, THEY CAN CHANGE IT AT ANY TIME.
EXCUSE ME, ONE SECOND, MR. SHELBY.
IT IS MY OPINION THAT WE HAVE NOW JUST WASTED 40 MINUTES
TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
BOTH FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ACLU, STAFF, PBA, A CITIZEN
HERE IN THE OFFICE -- IN CHAMBERS.
WE JUST WASTED 40 MINUTES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:26:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT.
CAN WE PLEASE GET THE ITEM STARTED.
IF -- BY THE WAY, I DO HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT I AM GOING
TO TALK ABOUT.
I DO HAVE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
I PREPARED FOR TODAY LIKE I AM SURE WE ALL DID.
LET'S DO THIS THING AND MOVE FORWARD FOR THE LOVE OF THE
ALMIGHTY, PLEASE.
LET'S DO IT.
THANK YOU.
AND I AGREE, THANK YOU.
UP.
11:27:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW, COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF YOU WANTS TO MAKE
A MOTION TO CHANGE THIS TO ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE NOW IS NOT
THE APPROPRIATE TIME THAT YOU FEEL, PLEASE MAKE THE MOTION
11:27:14AM >>ORDLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
NOT WHAT I FEEL, IT IS THE FACTS.
AND TOP YOUR POINT, PEOPLE ARE HERE AND THIS IS SOURCE
COUNCIL AND WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE IN THE RIGHT POSITION.
I DID ASK ABOUT THE AGENDA, AND I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T DO
THAT.
I DID ASK THAT QUESTION.
I WENT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE --
11:27:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHO DID YOU ASK --
11:27:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WENT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND COULD I
PUT A MEMO.
THEY SAID NO.
11:27:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT GOES IN EVERY WEEK.
11:27:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM NOT ARGUING THAT.
I ASKED THAT POINT.
I AM PAST THAT.
IF WE ARE GOING TO MO OF AHEAD WITH THE CRB.
I BELIEVE THE CHARTER REVIEW SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN SPECIAL DAY
AND DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AND GO BY THE GUIDELINES THAT MR.
CARLSON HAS DEALT WITH.
I CAN DEAL WITH THAT.
11:28:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A POINT OF CLARIFICATION WILL CHAIRMAN,
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
COUNCIL CAN REQUEST WHATEVER THEY WANT THROUGH THE MEMO BUT
ULTIMATELY DURING THE -- A INDIVIDUAL SINGLE COUNCILMEMBER
CAN ASK FOR AN ITEM TO BE REMOVED AND THE PLEASURE OF
COUNCIL THAT IS WHEN IT GETS REMOVED OR REORDERED, BUT YOU
ARE RIGHT.
11:28:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT CAN BE DONE.
11:28:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AT COUNCIL, YES.
11:28:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT CAN BE DONE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:28:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY.
WE HAVE SOME TAXPAYERS.
WE HAVE TAXPAYERS WHO HAPPEN TO BE CITY EMPLOYEES.
THEY HAVE BEEN HERE TWO HOURS AND 30 MINUTES.
STARTED AT 9:00.
NOW 11:30.
AND THEY ARE JUST AS VALUABLE AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMING
IN AND ASKING US.
THIS SHOULD BE HEARD TODAY.
WE HAVE ALL THE SALARY THAT IS WASTED IF WE DON'T DO IT
TODAY.
WITHER GOING TO COME BACK ANOTHER DAY AND THE SAME PEOPLE
WILL BE HERE FOR THE SAME CHARADE AGAIN.
SO MEANS TWICE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THEM.
AS A TAXPAYER, OF ME BEING A CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
YOU DON'T LIKE PEOPLE WE PAY THEIR TAXES TO SIT DOWN
LISTENING TO US OF SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT SHOULD BE
HEARD TODAY.
IF IT WASN'T TODAY, AT 9 A.M. WHEN WE WILL HOLD IT NO
ANOTHER DAY.
THAT IS NOT DONE.
I AM NOT CASTING ASPIRATION I MYSELF WHO SHOULD HAVE DONE
THAT, AND I DID NOT.
THAT'S ALL.
11:29:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:29:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS THE
ONLY TIME WE HAVE TO TALK.
I SEE NO POINT IN SPEEDING UP MEETINGS.
I HAVE NO INTEREST IN SPEEDING UP A MEETING.
I WANT EVERYBODY TO TALK.
IF THEY HAVE TO SIT HERE, THEY HAVE TO SIT HERE.
I AM NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR US HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT.
HE BROUGHT UP A POINT.
WE DISCUSS IT.
EVERYBODY HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
YOU CAN'T SAY PEOPLE ARE SITTING HERE AND WAITING.
WE ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
HAVE THE DISCUSSION ANY OTHER TIME.
I THINK IF ANYTHING, IT SHOWS THE PUBLIC THAT WE TRULY DO
NOT TALK TO ONE ANOTHER ANY OTHER TIME.
THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO HAVE THOSE ARGUMENTS.
TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
SO I -- I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 45 MINUTES.
I WILL DO IT FOR TWO HOURS IF IT GIVES US WHAT WE -- IF WE
END UP COMING UP WITH AN AGREEMENT.
I THINK THAT IS THE WAY WE ALWAYS SHOULD LOOK AT COUNCIL.
IF WE ARE HERE FOR 14 HOURS EVERY THURSDAY, I AM FINE WITH
THAT.
IF WE ADD ANOTHER DAY TO COUNCIL'S CALENDAR, I AM FINE WITH
THAT.
THIS IS OUR JOB.
11:30:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
I OFTEN SAID THIS IS A 24-7 JOB.
I WILL BE HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT AND COME IN AT 6:00 IN
MORNING.
I OFTEN SAID THAT ANOTHER DAY NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO CITY
COUNCIL.
I HAVE HAD VARIOUS COUNCILPEOPLE THAT SAY THERE AIN'T NO
WAY.
I WILL BE HERE FIVE DAY AS WEEK.
BUT IT IS MY OPINION WE NEED TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN THE
TIME WE SPEND HERE.
WHO IS GOING TO WANT TO OPEN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 OR IF
COUNCILMAN GUDES GOING TO GO TO HIS ORIGINAL TALKING POINT
AND MAKE A MOTION TO PUT THIS OUT ON A LATER DATE.
11:31:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO BE WITH A
SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING OF MR. CARLSON'S MEMORANDUM.
11:31:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM FIVE AND SIX.
11:31:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FIVE AND SIX.
11:31:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND SEVEN?
11:31:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND SEVEN.
ALL COINCIDE WITH THE SAME DATE.
WHAT DAYS -- I ASKED FOR DATES.
11:31:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, I CAN SEE IF I CAN GET THAT ANSWERED
BY TONIGHT, IF POSSIBLE.
AND IF NOT, I WILL LET'S YOU KNOW.
11:31:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE NEED THAT ANSWERED.
11:31:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIR.
11:31:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:31:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION.
11:32:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SECOND.
11:32:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TALK
WITH THE FACILITATOR TODAY AND THEN TONIGHT COME BACK WITH
AN ANSWER ON WHAT DATE AND THEN TAKE A -- YOU KNOW, WE CAN
SET -- WE CAN MAKE THE MOST NOW AND PASS A MOTION AND FIGURE
OUT THE DATE THIS EVENING SO WE DON'T WASTE ANY MORE TIME?
11:32:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE REALITY, COUNCIL, IS THAT THIS --
SEVERAL FACTORS.
THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS ROOM.
11:32:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO IT ON A WEDNESDAY.
11:32:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BECAUSE IT IS TELEVISED.
IT IS LIMITED WITH EN THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NOTICED.
NUMBER TWO, ONCE I COME BACK WITH POTENTIAL DATES THAT HAVE
THE ROOM AVAILABILITY AND THE FACILITATOR'S ACCESSIBILITY,
THE NEXT IMPORTANT THING TO CHECK IS EACH OF YOUR PERSONAL
CALENDARS TO SEE IF YOU HAVE THE AVAILABILITY.
11:32:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, I WILL MAKE SURE I'M HERE
WHATEVER DATE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
11:32:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:33:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT I SUGGEST IS THAT COUNCILMEMBER GUDES
PICK A SPECIFIC DATE LIKE A TUESDAY MORNING.
AND THEN WE CAN CONFIRM WHETHER IT IS AVAILABLE.
BUT IF WE ALL CAN LOOK AT OUR CALENDARS NOW AND PICK IT.
I WAS ORIGINALLY IN FAVOR OF THE -- OF THE FACILITATOR, BUT
IF WE FOLLOW A SIMPLE PROCESS LIKE THIS, I TRUST THE CHAIR
TO FACILITATE IT.
AND -- WE CAN -- WE CAN END UP IN LONGER DISCUSSIONS THAN WE
NEED.
SOME OF YOU WILL BE AGAINST ANY CHANGES.
YOU WILL VOTE AGAINST ALL OF THEM.
SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE IN FAVOR OF ALL.
BUT WHAT WE IS FIVE VOTES AND WE CAN QUICKLY GET TO THAT ON
THESE ISSUES AND GO UP AND DOWN WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, WE
WILL COME BACK ON ANOTHER DATE AND REVIEW IF ONE FINAL TIME.
WE GET FIVE VOTES, IT GOES ON THE BALLOT.
11:33:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM FINE WITH THAT AS WELL.
11:33:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:33:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
I ALSO THINK THAT IF WE GO AHEAD AND -- I -- I THINK WE
COULD -- WE COULD LOOK AT NUMBER FIVE TODAY BECAUSE IT IS
NOT PART OF THE CHARTER.
IT IS NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF CHANGING THE CHARTER.
THIS IS THE IDEA OF A DRAFT TORD NANCE TO PUT ON THE BALLOT
FOR VOTERS WHICH IS NOT COME FROM THE CHARTER.
THIS THIS IS LIKE A SEPARATE -- A SEPARATE ISSUE.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT OR TO MOVE IT.
HONESTLY, THESE ARE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
THIS IS OUR HOUSE.
I AM SORRY, IT IS.
IT IS OUR HOUSE.
AND I UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN NOTICED ALREADY --
BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING -- WE ARE TALKING OF DOING THIS A
MONTH FROM NOW WHEN NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTICED.
AND ANOTHER GROUP CAN MOVE.
BUT THIS IS OUR HOUSE.
IF WE HAVE TO BE HERE OTHER DAY, OTHER PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO
FIND OTHER PLACES TO GO.
11:34:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:34:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SHE TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH.
11:34:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STOLE THEM FROM YOU
11:35:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT THESE ARE OUR CHAMBERS.
WE ARE THE BODY HERE.
WE GOT WORK TO DO.
SO, AGAIN, I COMMEND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR BEING STRONG
AND STANDING BY THAT.
WE CAN'T BE AFRAID OF POLITICAL -- WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE
DECISIONS.
I AM A DECISION MAKERS.
I DON'T PLAY THE GAMES OF POLITICS.
I MAKE THE DECISION.
I WANT TO MOVE ON.
MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
MR. CARLSON WANTS TOTS SAY MENDS SOMETHING, I AM HAPPY WITH
THAT.
BUT NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE DAY TO DEAL WITH ISSUES AND WE
MOVE ON.
I MEAN WHAT -- WHAT -- WHAT DATES DO WE HAVE?
11:35:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
11:35:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
11:35:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ELECTION DAY, GOOD POINT.
THE SECOND TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
11:35:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
11:35:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
11:35:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WANTED ALL THE DATA FROM
THE CHARTER REVIEW.
I WAS TRYING BE NICE AND DOING SOMETHING AFTER THAT.
11:36:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN DO THE FIRST.
11:36:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE FIRST, THERE YOU GO.
11:36:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FIRST WHEN, NOVEMBER.
11:36:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GOOD.
I AM GOOD EVERY DAY.
11:36:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:36:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE IF MISS HURTAK SAY LISTEN TO
FIVE, GET IT OUT OF THE WAY TODAY.
THEY ARE HERE NOW.
I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING IN THE NEW THING.
AND RECOMMEND GOING BACK TO THE OLD DAYS AND COME BACK IN
TUESDAY AND THURSDAY, AND HAD A COMMITTEE THAT YOU PASS ONE
THROUGH 8.
YOU GOT TO READ EACH ONE AND TAKE A VOTE SO EVERY PUBLIC
KNOWS WHAT YOU FELT AT THE TIME YOU VOTED AND DONE
INDIVIDUALLY.
TAKES A LITTLE LONGER AND CUTS DOWN ON THE CHATTER BECAUSE
YOU GOT TO GET IN AND OUT.
IN AND OUT.
AND THE ONES ARE DEBATABLE.
I REMEMBER THAT AS I AM SPEAKING TO YOU -- TO ELECTED
OFFICIAL LIKE MYSELF.
I THINK MEETING TWICE A WEEK WILL HELP.
11:37:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I CONCUR.
11:37:07AM >> WE HAVE MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY CONGRESSMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
I HESITANTLY ASKED THIS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:37:20AM >> I WANT TO EXPLAIN IF I MAY.
11:37:22AM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:37:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM VOTING NO ON THIS FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED
REGION.
I MENTION THIS TWICE THAT WE HAVE OTHER WORKSHOPS.
AND I THINK THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN WAIVED.
WE HAVE TIME TODAY TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.
I THINK IT IS NOT AN EFFICIENT USE OF TIME AT ALL.
THAT IS RESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC, ETC.
SO THAT IS WHERE I WILL BE -- I AM AVAILABLE THAT DAY FOR
THE RECORD BUT I AM VOTING NO ON THIS, THANK YOU.
11:37:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:37:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOVEMBER 1, A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING WHAT
THE MOTION IS?
FOR 9 A.M. TO WHAT TIME?
BECAUSE THAT --
11:38:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UNTIL WE ARE DONE.
11:38:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE FACILITATOR AGREED
TO UNTIL NOON.
11:38:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE GOT TO KEEP MOVING.
11:38:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH YOU.
11:38:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WANT TO DO IT WITHOUT THE
FACILITATOR.
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
11:38:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE HAVE A LITTLE ORDER.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:38:34AM >> SIMPLY MAKE THE MOVEMENT UNTIL NOVEMBER 1 FROM 9 UNTIL
WHATEVER.
AND NOTHING ELSE WILL BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA THAT DAY.
AND IF THE FACILITATOR IS AVAILABLE AND THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE
TO WORK WITH THE FACILITATOR, WE WILL LIKE TO BRING THE
FACILITATOR IN.
OTHERWISE THE CHAIR WILL FACILITATE.
11:38:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:38:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL HAVE THAT OPTION.
I WILL VOTE TO DEFER TO MR. CARLSON.
11:38:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
DOES THE SECOND STILL WANT TO SECOND?
11:39:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:39:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:39:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOES THE AMENDED INCLUDE NUMBER FIVE OR CAN
WE JUST GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY TODAY?
11:39:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE ORIGINAL MOTION --
11:39:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT.
MA.
11:39:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ORIGINAL MOTION WAS FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.
11:39:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT IS ON THE BALLOT, SO LET'S LEAVE IT.
11:39:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, I CAN FIND OUTS PRETTY DARN QUICK
IF THE FACILITATOR.
11:39:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
11:39:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:39:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.
11:39:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S TAKE THIS VOTE AS AMENDED BY
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:39:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:40:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:40:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:40:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:40:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
11:40:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:40:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON, CITRO AND MIRANDA AND VIERA
VOTING NO.
11:40:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY THANK EVERYONE
WHO CAME HERE FOR THIS COUNCIL MEETING TODAY FOR STAYING
HERE.
THANK YOU.
INFORMATION AND REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:40:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NONE, THANK YOU.
11:40:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
EVEN THE TWO PEOPLE, THE.
11:41:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT.
11:41:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND BUT STILL PEOPLE WHO STAYED HERE.
11:41:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT SIR.
11:41:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:41:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NOTHING FOR ME.
11:41:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOTHING.
11:41:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:41:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE SEVERAL, SIR.
11:41:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE NONE
11:41:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE SEVERAL.
I HAVE A MOTION THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT TALK OF THE
PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS IN PLACE TO ALERT PRIVATE SCHOOL OR
DAY CARES WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE WAS
-- OR THERE IS A REGISTRY FOR DAY CARE OF PRIVATE SCHOOLS TO
BE NOTIFIED OF ANY SUCH EMERGENCIES, ACTIVE SHOOTERS OR ANY
INSTANCES THAT HAPPEN IN THE PROXIMITY.
IF NOT BRING SUGGESTION OF THIS LACK OF -- -- BE BROUGHT
BACK ON OCTOBER 6.
11:41:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I COULD --
11:41:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE REASON I ASK THAT BECAUSE SEVERAL DAY
CARE AND SCHOOLS HAVE CALLED.
THERE ARE SHOOTINGS AND THEY COMPLAIN THEY ARE NOT BEING
NOTIFIED THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS A SYSTEM OF SHUTTING
DOWN DAY CARES AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND THEY WANT TO BE
NOTIFIED.
I WANT CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
11:42:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHO WAS THE SECOND.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
11:42:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NEXT ONE, SIR, MAKE A MOTION THAT THE TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL GIVE COMMENDATION TO JOSEPH JOHNSON FOR
EXTRAORDINARY LEADERSHIP TO THE CITY OF TAMPA OF THE FORMER
CHAIR OF THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 8.
11:42:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
11:42:49AM >> AYE.
11:42:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T GET INTO POLITICS AND A STRAIGHT
SHOOTER AND WANT TO GET THINGS DONE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
MAKE A MOTION FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT 6.06 OF THE CITY
CHARTER FOR SALARY INCREASES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DEEMED
PROPER AND THAT A RESOLUTION BE BROUGHT BACK ON OCTOBER 6
FOR AN UP AND DOWN VOTE TO GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY UPON
ADOPTION.
11:43:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
11:43:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A NOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY DISCUSSION?
11:43:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
11:43:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:43:28AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST TO CLARIFY.
YOU ARE ASKING A VOTE.
THIS IS NOT SUPPORTING A MONITORY OR A RAISE.
11:43:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, TO WITH THE ACTION OF THE
RECOMMENDATION.
IT IS CLEAR IN THE MOTION.
11:43:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IN OTHER WORDS, I AM CLARIFYING YOUR MOTION
WHICH IS -- YOUR MOTION IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF A PAY RAISE,
NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO, NOT IN THE AMOUNT OF THE MONETARY
AMOUNT OF PAY RAISE.
THE MOTION IS FOR A VOTE TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
11:43:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CORRECT.
I AM ASKING FOR THE INCREASE FOR CITY MEMBERS THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION DEEMS PROPER.
I THINK I WAS CLEAR ON THAT WITH MY MOTION, SIR.
11:44:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN FOR THE SAKE OF CLARIFICATION
BECAUSE -- WHAT IS YOUR INTENT OF THE MOTION?
11:44:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY INTENT OF THE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE
RECOMMENDED RESOLUTION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DEEMED WAS
PROPER FOR SALARY INCREASE FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL.
11:44:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU WANT IT TO TAKE EFFECT WHEN?
11:44:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OCTOBER 6, THE SAME DAY.
11:44:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE DAY IT BROUGHT BACK FOR AN UP AND DOWN
VOTE?
11:44:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
11:44:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHATEVER THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO EFFECTUATE
THAT, IS THAT YOUR INTENT?
11:44:41AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:44:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MASSEY.
11:44:45AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I WAS GOING TO SAY A RESOLUTION TO AMEND
THE BUDGET, THAT WILL BE PREPARED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE AND
COME THROUGH LEGAL, BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
11:44:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
11:44:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
PUTTING THINGS TO VOTE ON BY ELECTION, SO
I THOUGHT THIS WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE ELECTION FOR THE.PUBLIC
TO PUT IT UP OR DOWN.
I MEAN, I AM NOT AGAINST RAISES, BUT I AM AGAINST A 42%
RAISE WHEN THE PEOPLE UNDER -- THERE IS OVER 40% OF THE
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY CANNOT HANDLE A $400 EMERGENCY.
THAT INCLUDES THE PEOPLE IN TAMPA 60% OF PUBLIC CAN'T HANDLE
A $1,000 EMERGENCY AND WE ARE GETTING A 42% RAISE.
THAT BOTHERS ME.
NOT THE RAISE, THE AMOUNT.
11:45:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE.
11:45:32AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, I MAY.
AND FUNNY -- I DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP THE CAN OF WORMS OF THE
CHARTER, BUT A CHARTER AMENDMENT I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT WAS
SOMETHING PATTERNED AFTER THE 27th AMENDMENT TO PRECLUDE
CITY COUNCIL FROM DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS THE 27th
AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION.
WE ARE TALKING OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES SIMPLY THAT IF THE
UNITED STATES CONGRESS TAKES A PAY INCREASE, MAY NOT GET THE
BENEFIT OF THAT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION HAS HAPPENED.
THAT IS THE ONE CHARTER AMENDMENT I WAS GOING TO SEEK TO
HAVE.
THIS WILL PROBABLY VIOLATE THAT IN SPIRIT, BUT, AGAIN, JUST
MAKING A NOTE IN THAT REGARD.
BUT IT IS GOOD TO GET THAT OUT OF WAY AND VOTE ON IT.
11:46:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
I THINK IT IS A SHAME THAT IN A $1.9 BILLION BUDGET THAT THE
MOST PRESS COVERAGE ABOUT ANYTHING HAS BEEN ABOUT THIS.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION OFFERED THE
CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
AND -- AND I DON'T KNOW WHO PUSHED TO THE MEDIA, BUT --
WHETHER -- WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL ASKED FOR IT, I DON'T THINK
THIS BODY EVER VOTED TO ASK FOR IT.
SO SOMEBODY -- I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
WHO DID IT, BUT SOMEBODY HAS BEEN PUSHING THE STORY TO THE
MEDIA OF THE 40 PERCENT INCREASE.
THE FACT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS NOT PAID ENOUGH.
AND AS INDIVIDUALS, WE CAN TURN IT DOWN JUST LIKE WE CAN
TURN DOWN THE COST OF LIVING.
IF ANYONE WANTS TO NOT TAKE THIS, DON'T TAKE IT.
BUT I THINK IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO -- TO PROTECT THIS
BODY IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE NEED GOOD PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THESE OFFICES.
IF WE SET IT FOR OCTOBER AND SET IT FOR -- WHEN OUR TERM
RUNS OUT OR THE NEXT TERM.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PROTECTING THIS BODY FOR PAYING
ENOUGH FOR SOMEBODY TO WORK HERE.
IT IS REALLY MORE THAN A FULL-TIME JOB.
NOT A PART-TIME JOB.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
WE ARE ONLY HERE CERTAIN DAYS AND WORKING THE REST OF THE
TIME DAY AND NIGHT ON ISSUES.
NOT FOR US, BUT TO PROTECT THE INSTITUTION.
YOU CAN'T -- MOST PEOPLE WON'T GIVE UP THEIR JOB BECAUSE THE
JOBS PAY A LOT MORE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
I THINK -- AND I WANT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT RELATED TO THIS
TOO, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE -- I THINK WE SHOULD PUT IN
THE CHARTER SOME KIND OF FORMULA FOR THE MAYOR TO SET THE
MAYOR'S SALARY, BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S SALARY BY CHARTER IS SET
BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT -- THERE SHOULD BE A -- A FORMULA BASED ON THAT
WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE MAYOR.
WHY IS IT THAT THE MAYOR CAN GET $160,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS
-- $180,000 WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS WAY TOO SMALL FOR A $2
BILLION ORGANIZATION.
I LIVED IN SINGAPORE AND I STUDIED GREAT CITIES IN THE
UNITED STATES THAT ARE RUN VERY WELL AND I STURDY CITIES IN
OTHER PLACES THEY PAY MORE.
YOU CAN'T JUST COMPARE YOURSELF TO SMALL TOWNS AROUND HERE.
YOU HAVE TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO SOME OF THE BEST CITIES.
I AM NOT SAYING PAY $1 MILLION A YEAR BUT THE MAYOR --
THE CEO OF A $2 BILLION ORGANIZATION SHOULD GET MUCH, MUCH
MORE THAN $180,000 AND CITY COUNCIL SHOULD AT LEAST GET 50%
OF US.
ARE YOU SAYING WE DO -- THAT WE DO ONLY 10% OR 20% THE WORK
OF A MAYOR, AT LEAST 50% OF THE WORK OF THE MAYOR.
WHY WOULDN'T WE GET 50% OR 630%.
NOT ABOUT US ENRICHING OURSELVES.
WE CAN ALL TURN IT DOWN, BUT IN THE FUTURE WE NEED THE BEST
AND BRIGHTEST.
SINGAPORE, THEY PAY THE SAME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHICH WE
COULD NEVER DO.
AND DO THAT BECAUSE NO CORRUPTION.
SO NOBODY WILL BE ENTICED INTO DOING THINGS THAT THEY
SHOULDN'T DO.
NOBODY HERE HAVEN'T DONE THAT, AND IN THE PAST STORIES OF
THAT.
WE NEED TO PROTECT THE CITY FOR THE FUTURE MAKING IT VIABLE
JOB FOR THE VERY SMART PEOPLE TO COME IN.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE SEVEN OF US ARE IN CHARGE OF THAT $2
BILLION ORGANIZATION AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
11:49:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:49:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU KNOW YESTERDAY I WAS HERE AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, THIS
IS MY HAPPY PLACE.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS CHEESY, BUT I LOVE COMING TO CITY HALL.
AND IN THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS SALARY STUFF AND WHATNOT,
WHEN I WAS A KID, I WANTED TO BE A HEART SURGEON.
WHY?
BECAUSE I WANTED TO HELP PEOPLE.
AS I GREW UP, I WANTED TO BE AN ATTORNEY.
WHY?
BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND PEOPLE, HELP PEOPLE.
BUT I WAS INSPIRED WHEN I WAS -- PROBABLY ABOUT 16 YEARS OLD
THAT I WANTED TO RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.
EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT ONE DAY AND
WHATEVER.
BUT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS INSPIRED ME TO.
PEOPLE ASK WHY DID YOU RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL.
WHY NOT CONGRESS OR STATE REPRESENTATIVE OR WHATEVER.
BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE AND HELP THE
PEOPLE AND SERVE THE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE ASK ME, WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE PART OF -- WHAT IS YOUR
FAVORITE PART OF THE JOB?
I SAID WHEN I AM ABLE TO HELP SOMEBODY.
WHEN I AM ABLE TO SEE THAT I PUT A SMILE ON SOMEBODY'S FACE
BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO ASSIST IN SOMETHING AND BE
RESPONSIVE LIKE FILL A POTHOLE OR FIX SOME KIND OF FLOODING
OR GET THEIR TRASH PICKED UP.
THE POINT I AM MAKING NEVER ABOUT THE MONEY.
YEAH, HEART SURGEON CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
ATTORNEYS CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
COMING HERE WAS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
WE GET HEALTH INSURANCE.
24-HOUR PARKING IS A SPACE.
WE GET TO GO TO EVENTS.
WE GET INVITED TO LUNCHES.
A LOT OF GREAT THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS NEVER ABOUT THE
MONEY.
IT IS NEVER -- UNTIL THIS CAME UP AND I APPRECIATE.
I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT AND EVERYTHING.
I AM NOT HERE FOR THAT.
WHETHER IT IS A 3% INCREASE OR 42% INCREASE, I GET A
PAYCHECK EVERY TWO WEEKS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY DOES AND I LIVE
WITHIN THOSE MEANS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAYS, YOU
WANT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
A HUGE BUDGET.
A HUGE CITY.
BUT JUST -- I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD DISENCHANTED, BUT,
AGAIN, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
IT IS ABOUT THE PUBLIC SERVICE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE OCTOBER 6, FINE.
BUT, AGAIN, IT IS ABOUT GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
11:51:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:51:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T DISAGREE IT IS ABOUT GIVING BACK TO
THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO LIVE.
11:51:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I KNOW.
11:51:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND AS I FOUND, IT IS INCREDIBLY HARD TO KEEP
MY OTHER JOB IN ADDITION TO THIS.
SO I -- I SEE HOW THE STRUGGLE IS.
BUT WHAT IS AMAZES ME ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE A FIGHT OF THIS,
BUT WE DON'T EVER TALK OF THE MAYOR'S SALARY, $180,000.
I THINK THAT IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE.
LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, I DON'T THINK IT IS ENOUGH.
I MEAN, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY -- YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO
-- WE ARE NOT DOING A VOW OF POVERTY WHEN WE SAY WE WANT TO
BE PUBLIC SERVANTS.
I DON'T -- I DON'T LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
WE STILL HAVE TO SURVIVE.
WE STILL HAVE TO LIVE OUR LIVES.
WE HAVE TO PAY OUR MORTGAGES OR OUR RENTS OR WHATEVER ELSE
WE WANT TO DO.
YES, WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS, BUT BY DOING
THIS, WE ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE WITHIN DIFFERENT MEANS THAN
THE MEANS WE ALREADY HAVE.
WE ARE HAVING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE DO FOR OUR
OTHER JOBS.
SO I JUST DON'T SEE THE BIG DRAMA IN THIS.
AND IF WE ARE GOING HAVE DRAMA IN IT, IT SHOULD BE ALL OF
US.
THE MAYOR SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION TOO.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL AGREE THAT THE MAYOR DOESN'T
DESERVE $180,000.
IF YOU THINK WE ONLY DO A THIRD OF THE WORK, I DISAGREE WITH
THAT.
I JUST -- IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT MONETARILY, NONE OF GET
INVOLVED FOR THAT.
TO BE HONEST I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE GOT A VALERIE, SORT
OF, IDEAL WE GOT INTO IT.
I HAVEN'T HAD A W 2 OR WHATEVER IN 15 YEARS.
I -- I JUST WISH WE COULD AGREE THAT -- THAT GOVERNMENT IS
WORTH MONEY.
WE ARE WORTH IT.
WE AS A BODY ARE WORTH THE TIME THAT WE PUT IN HERE.
IF WE WANT TO ADD DAYS TO THE SCHEDULE, AWESOME.
LET'S DO IT.
LET'S ALL BE HERE.
IF WE WANT TO BE HERE EVERY DAY.
IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARTER SO COUNCIL IS CONSIDERED
FULL TIME, I THINK IT IS WELL -- WELL IN THE TIME TO DO THAT
BECAUSE WE ARE A CITY OF 400,000 PEOPLE.
WE ARE DOING -- WE ARE DOING AMAZING THINGS.
AND THE MAJOR HAS STARTED SOME PHENOMENAL PROGRAMS THAT WE,
AS A COUNCIL, ARE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT.
I JUST WISH WE COULD STOP FIGHTING AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON
SAID.
THIS IS BROUGHT UP BY THE MEDIA AND THE MEDIA IS GOING
WILDLY ABOUT IT.
WE -- AS A BODY -- I WOULD BE HAPPY TO NOT TAKE -- I WOULD
BE HAPPY TO SEND IT FORWARD, BUT I AGREE, WE NEED SOME SORT
OF FORMULA GOING FORWARD SO WE DON'T DO THIS AGAIN AND PUTS
THIS ON ANOTHER COUNCIL AGAIN.
MAKE A FORMULA.
HALF OF WHAT THE MAYOR MAKES.
HALF OF WHAT COUNTY COMMISSION MAKES.
HOWEVER THAT FORMULA IS, LET'S DO THAT SO NO OTHER COUNCIL
EVER HAS TO HAVE THIS FIGHT AGAINST.
BECAUSE THIS SHOULDN'T BE -- THIS SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING
THAT -- THAT VOTERS ARE GOING TO ARGUE WITH US ABOUT.
THEY SHOULD BE TALKING TO US ABOUT ISSUES.
NOT HOW MUCH MONEY THIS JOB PAYS.
LET'S JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT
AGAIN.
11:55:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:55:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME JUST SAY THERE HAS BEEN SOME
REFERENCE INDIRECTLY THAT THERE ARE LEAKS TO THE MEDIA.
ANYBODY WANT TO GIVE ME A LIE DETECTSER TEST.
I NEVER SPOKE TO ANY MEDIA ABOUT ANY SALARY OR ANYTHING.
THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
WHOEVER ASKS ME, I WILL ASK THEM TO DO THE SAME THING
FOR ME.
I AM WAITS FOR THAT.
WELL WITH ALL THIS KINDS OF STUFF.
SALARY, EVERY YEAR A RAISE AND WE LET GO 700 SOME PEOPLE
UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION.
SHE DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF RIDING THE CRISIS AND DOING THE
BEST SHE COULD DO WHEN THERE WAS LITTLE INCOME TO DO IT
WITH, PERIODS.
SHE HELD THE FEET TO THE FIRE AND KEPT THIS CITY RUNNING
WITH VERY LEVEL CASH.
SO SHE SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED; HOWEVER, THIS IS STILL A
PUBLIC SERVICE.
AND INDIVIDUALS WHO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OR DON'T MAKE MONEY
WILL STILL SEEK THIS OFFICE.
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
IN MY CASE, I WORK TWO JOBS.
AND I AM GOING TO BE 82.
AND I WANT TO DO BOTH JOBS UNTIL THE DAY I DIE.
SO FOR ME, WORK DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
I SLEEP FOUR OR FIVE HOURS A DAY.
COME INTO MY WORLD, AND MONEY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
I MET MY OBLIGATION WITH MY WHOLE FAMILY WITH MY WIFE.
WE PLANNED IT THIS WAY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I AM THE RECIPIENT OF ALL THE FRUIT
BECAUSE SHE IS NOT HERE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE WORK TUESDAY OR THURSDAY, OR
WHATEVER YOU WANT.
YOU WANT REALLY TRANSPARENCY AND ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE,
YOU JUST DON'T PASS THE WHOLE THING.
I MOVE THIS AND IT GOES BACK.
EVERY ITEM IS DISCUSSED UNTIL YOU PASS THEM ALL.
THAT IS HOW YOU GET THE REAL PICTURE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
AND HOW YOU GET IT DONE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ADVANTAGES THAT THE COUNCILMEMBERS BEFORE
US NEVER HAD.
NEVER HAD.
AND YOU DIDN'T GET A STIPEND AT THE ENDS OF THE MONTH.
A LITTLE CHECK COMING IN.
THAT WASN'T THERE.
A VALERIE WHATEVER IT WAS, $9600 A YEAR AND THAT WAS IT.
THOSE SALARIES DIDN'T JUMP EVER.
I GOT THE SCHEDULE IN THE OFFICE THAT I ASKED FOR.
SO I AM NOT AGAINST RACES.
D -- NOT AGAINST RAISES.
I AM AGAINST GETTING A BIG RAISE AT ONE TIME.
GET IT INCREMENTS ALLEY AND TIE IT WHAT THE GENERAL
EMPLOYEES GETS AND 1 TO 2%.
BUT TO DO IT ALL IN ONE CRACK BECAUSE THAT CRACK BECOMES
MORE AND MORE, 4% OF $53,000 IS ONE THING.
4% OF $72,000, YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
IT IS ALMOST DOUBLE.
SO THE INCREMENT OF INTEREST -- THE INCREMENT OF SALARY THAT
INCREMENTSES WHEN YOU GO FROM 53 TO 72, JUST AS GENERAL
EMPLOYEES, YOU ARE FAR AWAY GOING QUICKER AND HIGHER THAN
EVER BEFORE.
THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT NOT A RAISE, I AM TALKING ABOUT GET A
RAISE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND WITH LONGEVITY, YOU WILL HAVE IT IN DUE TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:58:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:58:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO DO THIS OVER AND
OVER AGAIN.
SORRY TO DO THIS.
BUT COUNCILMAN GUDES ALREADY ARE YOU CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT
SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE WOULD LIKE CITY ATTORNEY TO COME BACK
NEXT WEEK WITH AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THAT WOULD ACCEPT THE
MAYOR'S RECOMMENDED SALARY FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ON
OCTOBER 1 EACH YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL'S SALARY SET AT 50% OF
THE MAYOR'S SALARY.
11:59:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT -- IF YOU CAN
BIND FUTURE CITY COUNCILS OR FUTURE BUDGETARY
MATTERS TYING IT THAT WAY, MR. MASSEY, THAT IS MY OPINION
11:59:27AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
EVERY YEAR THE BUDGET HAS TO SET OUT THE
SALARY OF ALL THE OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S HOW WE DO IT EVERY YEAR.
WE TYPICALLY DON'T FIND THEM.
I THINK IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A FORMULA BUILT IN,
FRANKLY THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES MORE SENSE, LIKE
CHARTER DISCUSSION.
11:59:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND I DON'T WANT TO BRING IT BACK AS A
CHARTER, BUT WHY DON'T WE SAY JUST ADD TO THAT SUBJECT TO
APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, WHICH
FOLLOWS THE LAW AND CHARTER?
12:00:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. MASSEY AND MAYBE THE CHIEF OF STAFF
WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK TO THIS.
THE WAY THE SALARIES ARE SET NOW THERE'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATE
FUND WHERE THE MONEYS ARE PLACED FOR TERMINATION OF
INCREASES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE, FOR INSTANCE, MERIT
INCREASES AND THE LIKE.
12:00:23PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BUT THE CHARTER DOES SAY BUT FOR ELECTED
OFFICERS, IT HAS TO BE DONE BY A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE
APPROVED BY A MAJORITY OF YOU ALL AND RECOMMENDED BY THE
MAYOR.
12:00:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND JUST AS A POINT OF HISTORICAL
REFERENCE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WHAT THE COUNCIL'S SALARY
WAS.
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE MID 30s, $30,000.
2004 --
12:00:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:01:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS A RESOLUTION
THAT RAISED IT TO 50,000.
I DON'T RECALL THE AMOUNT.
I DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF ME BUT I DO RECALL THE
RESOLUTION.
SINCE THAT TIME WHATEVER THE COST OF LIVING THAT WAS APPLIED
TO I GUESS THE MANAGERIAL OR SUPERVISORY --
12:01:20PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY
MR. PERRY, OUR PRESENT DIRECTOR, THAT A COST OF LIVING
INCREASE IS REFLECT UNDERSTOOD LINE ITEM FOR YOUR SALARY SO
WHEN YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET IF IT REFLECTS YOUR SALARY AND
THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE, AND SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN
THE BUDGET, THEN THAT MEETS THE PARAMETERS OF --
12:01:42PM >> MR. CHAIR, I COULD JUST -- IF I COULD MODIFY MY
AMENDMENT.
WE CAN PASS WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING BY RESOLUTION TODAY.
12:01:49PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION OR BUDGET
RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE BUDGET TO INCREASE YOUR SALARIES PER
THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE
ADMINISTRATION.
12:02:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET ME RUN THIS BY YOU REAL FAST.
IF WE HAD AN AMENDMENT THAT SAID BY RESOLUTION TODAY THAT
THE CITY COUNCIL ACCEPTS THE MAYOR'S SALARY RECOMMENDATIONS
TO COUNCIL, AND THAT CITY COUNCIL SUGGESTS THE CITY COUNCIL
SALARIES IN FUTURE BUDGET APPROVALS, IN FUTURE BUDGETS WOULD
BE SET UP TO BE 50% OF THE MAYOR'S SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY
THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND THE BUDGET.
12:02:35PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
NUMBER ONE, IT WOULD NOT BE A RESOLUTION.
THAT WOULD BE A MOTION FOR TO US BRING FORWARD A RESOLUTION
FOR YOU TO VOTE ON, FOR THE SALARY INCREASE THIS YEAR.
FUTURE BUDGET YEARS, OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD ASK US TO DO THAT,
YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S SUBJECT TO FINANCIAL AVAILABILITY AND
THE BUDGET, BUT --
12:02:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE POINT IS WE DON'T HAVE TO EVERY YEAR
COME BACK AND SET WHAT THE PAY SHOULD BE.
THE STAFF WOULD AUTOMATICALLY START WITH 50% AND THEN IF IT
IS NOT POSSIBLE, THEN IN THE BUDGET WE CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE
WITH IT.
ULTIMATELY, ITS APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT INSTEAD -- WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SET
THE FORMULA.
I AGREE IT SHOULD BE MODIFIED IN THE CHARTER BUT FOR RIGHT
NOW IF WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING TODAY, TAKE -- IT'S
INTERESTING THERE'S MORE MEDIA SCRUTINY ABOUT CITY COUNCIL'S
$20,000 PAY INCREASE THAN THERE IS ABOUT TOILET TO TAP OR
HANNA AVENUE OR ANY OF THESE WASTE OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS,
AND I'M APPALLED BY HOW THESE STORIES ARE BEING PUSHED
INSTEAD OF THE FACTUAL STORIES THAT ARE SUBSTANTIVE THAT ARE
CONCERNS BY THE COMMUNITY.
BUT HOW CAN WE MOVE THIS FORWARD TODAY?
12:03:51PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK YOU ARE ASKING -- I THINK WHAT'S
BEING PROPOSED BY MR. GUDES AND BY YOU AND ARE KIND OF
SEPARATE MEASURES, ONE IS A MOTION ASKING US TO BRING FORTH
A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION NEXT WEEK THAT YOU ALL WOULD VOTE ON
ABOUT ADJUSTING YOUR SALARY FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR, AND THEN
COMING FORWARD WITH MAYBE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION ABOUT HOW
YOUR SALARIES WOULD BE SET OR FORMULATED, IDEALLY IN THE
FUTURE, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET.
12:04:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OR DEPENDING ON 6.06.
12:04:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
UNLESS SOMEBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT I WILL
WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND LET MR. GUDES MAKE HIS MOTION AND
WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AT THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
12:04:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE MOTION I MADE -- [OFF MICROPHONE] BE
APPROVED AND SETTING A RESOLUTION.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
12:04:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME ALSO CLEAR MY AIR ANYWAY.
I HAVE NEVER TALKED TO THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT A RAISE FOR
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO HOW IT CAME OUT TO
THAT, SPEAK TO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR WHATEVER.
12:05:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I MAY, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
HANG ON, PLEASE, MARTY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
END DISCUSSION.
I WILL HAVE MY STATEMENT.
CHIEF BENNETT WAS HERE, ON TV, DISCUSSING A POSSIBLE RAISE
FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT PICKED OUT IN THE PRESS.
SOMEONE IS SAYING, WE NEED TO PAY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE WANT
THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST.
NOT THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST ABOUT HOW THE CITY CAN BE
RUN?
A WOMAN WHO IS WITH A PTA CAN'T DECIDE ON HOW THIS CITY
SHOULD BE RUN?
I THINK WE HAVE THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST RIGHT HERE.
I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO WHEN I RAN FOR THIS
OFFICE AND I KNEW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT PAID.
ME PERSONALLY, I AM NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE MONEY TRAIN IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACK.
I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
EXCUSE ME, CHIEF BENNETT.
12:06:40PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHIEF OF STAFF.
I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT THAT APPROXIMATELY A YEAR
AGO, IT WAS NOT A MOTION BUT IT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE DAIS
TO EXAMINE COUNCIL'S SALARY.
THERE WAS NO POLITICAL AGENDA BEHIND IT.
IT WAS A MARKET ANALYSIS, NOT A RAISE ANALYSIS, NOT A MERIT
ANALYSIS, BUT A MARKET ANALYSIS BASED ON MEASURABLE FACTS,
AND BROUGHT BACK, AND NOT ATTACHED TO COUNCIL'S BUDGET,
WHICH WAS APPROVED TWO DAYS AGO.
IT WAS PLACED IN PERSONNEL RESERVES, AND THEN IT WAS MOVED
INTO GENERAL FUND OPERATING RESERVES, UNTIL SUCH TIME IF
COUNCIL PER CHARTER 6.06 VOTES TO BRING IT BACK UP FOR
CONSIDERATION IN ALL OR PART OR NONE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT
I AM HEARING TODAY AS A MOTION TO BRING BACK ON THE 6th.
SO THIS WILL BE A COUNCIL-INITIATED MOTION BASED ON THE
MARKET ANALYSIS THAT THAT MONEY IS SITTING IN A GENERAL FUND
RIGHT NOW, AND IF IT'S BROUGHT BACK IN ALL OR PART OR NONE,
THEN OF COURSE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT WOULD FOLLOW THAT.
THAT'S A COUNCIL PER CHARTER MOTION.
THAT'S IT.
12:07:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY MOTION, MR. SHELBY JUST CAME TO ME AND
WAS TELLING ME, AND I'M A PERSON, I LIKE TO PUT THINGS TO
BED.
I SAID THE 6th ON THE MOTION BUT IT CAN BE PUT TO BED
TODAY.
SO IF WE WANT IT, WE WANT IT.
IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T.
TAKE THE VOTE.
RESTATE THE MOTION.
SAME CRITERIA, AND PUT IT TO BED TODAY.
12:08:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:08:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE, MR. SHELBY.
12:08:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN EFFECT WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT IT'S A
VOTE TODAY TO EITHER BRING SOMETHING BACK ON THE 6th OR
NOT.
SO, IN EFFECT, IT IS DETERMINATIVE TODAY HOW THE VOTE GOES
IF WHETHER IT WILL COME BACK ON THE 6th, BECAUSE IF IT
DOESN'T COME BACK ON THE 6th IT'S OFF THE TABLE.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT COUNCIL TO BE CLEAR ABOUT.
AND IF THERE WHATS A MOTION TO AMEND, PERHAPS A MOTION TO
SET AN AMOUNT, THAT'S TOTALLY WITHIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW.
IT'S NOT A POLICY.
IT'S NOT WHAT I AM SUGGESTING.
BUT I AM SAYING TO YOU THE PRACTICAL EFFECT ON THIS VOTE
TODAY IS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER COUNCIL IS
GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AS STATED BY MR. GUDES.
12:09:16PM >> CORRECT.
12:09:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:09:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TWO THINGS REAL FAST.
IN TERMS OF WHETHER THIS QUOTE-UNQUOTE, PUSHING STORIES, BUT
OUT OF A THOUSAND-PLUS PAGES IN THE BUDGET, WITH LOTS OF
AREAS THAT NEED TRANSPARENCY, LIKE HANNA AVENUE, TOILET TO
TAP, ET CETERA, SOMEHOW THIS WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT IT NEEDED
TO BE CREATED -- PARADED IN FRONT OF THE MEDIA AND ENDED UP
CAPTURING ALL THE ATTENTION OF THE MEDIA RATHER THAN THE
REST OF THE BUDGET WHICH I PROBABLY VOTED AGAINST.
THE SECOND THING YOU MAUVE SEEN IN A STORY TODAY THAT SAYS
EMPLOYERS, IF YOU WANT TO HIRE SOMEBODY, YOU HAVE TO OFFER A
STARTING SALARY OF 71,000.
AND WHEN I GRADUATED COLLEGE, IF YOU EARNED 24,000 THAT WAS
A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND IN TAMPA, I DON'T THINK MOST STARTING SALARIES ARE
71,000, BUT WHAT THE REASON WHY WE ARE FACING A HOUSING
SHORTAGE IS BECAUSE WAGE INFLATION HAS NOT KEPT UP WITH
HOUSING PRICES AND OTHER COSTS.
SO THE REALITY IS THAT REST OF THE COUNTRY, WHAT CITY
COUNCIL IS GETTING PAID AS A STARTING SALARY FOR A COLLEGE
GRAD.
AND YES, ALL KIND OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR
THIS, BUT THE SALARIES ARE GOING UP BEYOND WHAT WE ALL
EXPERIENCED AS WE WERE GROWING UP.
AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE FOR ME THIS IS GO THE
INTEGRITY OF THIS ORGANIZATION GOING FORWARD.
I'M LUCKY ENOUGH THAT I CAN TURN DOWN MOST BENEFITS, AND I
MAY OR MAY NOT TURN DOWN THIS INCREASE, BUT FOR THE FUTURE
OF THE ORGANIZATION, WE NEED TO PUT SOME KIND OF POSITION IN
PLACE SO THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS NOT TREATED AS AN
AFTER-THOUGHT AND AS A RUBBER STAMP.
IT NEEDS TO BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS EMPLOYMENT
DISCUSSIONS THAT COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK TALKED ABOUT.
THANK YOU.
12:11:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN FACT, I LOOKED AT THE SAME THREE
CITIES.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT POPULATION, I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET, I
LOOKED AT THEY WERE ELECTED JUST LIKE WE WERE, AND THAT WAS
MIAMI, ST. PETE AND ORLANDO.
THAT WAS 60,000, 58,000, I THINK 54, 56,000.
I FORGOT WHICH CITIES THEY WERE.
SO I AM NOT OPPOSED TO A 6% RAISE WHICH GIVES YOU 53 AND
THREE TIMES 6 IS 56 -- I MEAN 3,000, AND YOU ARE GOING TO
GET ABOUT $4,000 RAISE BY THE TIME YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
SO EVERY YEAR YOU ARE GOING TO GET SOMETHING 4, 4.5,
WHATEVER COST OF LIVING IS.
AND IN A VERY SHORT TIME YOU ARE GOING TO GET THERE WHAT YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT. I AM NOT AGAINST RAISING.
WHAT I AM AGAINST IS THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT, AND THERE'S MORE OF THEM THAN THERE ARE UP

HERE, DON'T HAVE THAT SAME RAISE COMING TO THEM.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:12:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, I AM GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND
THEN WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE VOTE.
THE INTEGRITY OF INTEGRITY OF CITY COUNCIL SHOULDN'T BE
BASED ON PAY, IT SHOULD BE HOW THEY VOTE, AND HOW THEY CARE.
12:12:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET'S HOPE.
12:12:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LOOKING AT THE HEADLINES, SOME PAPER, SOME
TABLOID, SOME NEWS THINGS, THAT SAYS CITY COUNCIL SPENDS
MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT THEIR WAGES THAN SUBPOENA POWER.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:12:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:12:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
12:12:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
12:12:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:12:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:12:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
12:12:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TO SAY HECK NO.
12:13:03PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH VIERA, EXCUSE ME, VIERA,
MANISCALCO, MIRANDA, AND CITRO VOTING NO.
12:13:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
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