TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2022
9:00 A.M. WORKSHOP
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09:03:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING
09:03:21AM HELD THIS DAY ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2022.
09:03:27AM MY NAME IS JOSEPH CITRO, AND I WILL BE CHAIRMAN FOR THE
09:03:33AM MEETING.
09:03:34AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, THE INVOCATION.
09:03:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: INTRODUCING APOSTLE SHAWNEE HOUSE.
09:03:43AM A MINISTER AND LICENSED SINCE 1998, AND SHE TEACHES TEENAGED
09:03:48AM GIRLS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS
09:03:53AM CHRIST.
09:03:53AM IN 2008, SHE WAS ORDAINED AS AN APOSTLE.
09:03:56AM CURRENTLY THE CO-FOUNDER OF FACE TO FACE MINISTRIES, LLC.
09:04:00AM THE CEO IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:04:03AM MARRIED TO HER HUSBAND DUANE HOUSE, WHO IS ALSO A PASTOR AND
09:04:10AM THEY HAVE SIX CHILDREN.
09:04:11AM SHE TRAVELED EXTENSIVELY TO SPOKEN COURAGEMENT THE FOR THOSE
09:04:16AM WITH NO SENSE OF DIRECTION, LOST HOPE AND THOSE WHO BELIEVE
09:04:20AM THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF HELPING THEMSELVES.
09:04:22AM SHE HELPED OTHERS BECOME NURSES, ENTREPRENEURS AND
09:04:27AM INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE.
09:04:28AM I INTRODUCE PASTOR HOUSE AND HER HUSBAND.
09:04:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF EVERYBODY CAN PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN
09:04:35AM STANDING AFTER THE INVOCATION.
09:04:36AM PLEASE, MA'AM.
09:04:38AM >> FATHER, IN THE NAME OF JESUS WE THANK YOU, WE PRAISE YOU,
09:04:49AM WE GLORIFY YOUR NAME THAT WE ARE ALL GATHERED IN THIS PLACE
09:04:53AM AND I PRAY THAT WE ARE ALL TOGETHER TO BE IN ONE ACCORD IN
09:04:57AM UNITY, LORD.
09:04:59AM I KNOW WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, THOUGHTS AND IDEAS.
09:05:01AM I PRAY, GOD, THAT THIS WILL BE DONE -- THIS WILL BE DONE IN
09:05:06AM PEACE AND IN ORDER TODAY.
09:05:07AM GOD, I HONOR EVEN THE CITY COUNCILMAN, ORLANDO GUDES AND
09:05:13AM CITY STAFF AND EVERYBODY HERE GATHERED HERE IN YOUR NAME.
09:05:17AM AND I CAME TO SPEAK PEACE, JOY AND WHEREVER NEEDS ARE BE TO
09:05:24AM APPLIED IN THIS MEETING TODAY.
09:05:25AM GOD, WE GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE, ALL THE HONOR AND GLORY
09:05:28AM BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO NOTHING WITHOUT YOU.
09:05:30AM AND WE GIVE YOU HONOR AND HONOR YOU AND PRAISE YOU TODAY FOR
09:05:37AM WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
09:05:38AM WE THANK YOU FOR JUST THE BREATH IN OUR BODIES.
09:05:41AM LORD, SOME OF US DRUNK OUR COFFEE, GOT DRESSED AND DIDN'T
09:05:46AM ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, AND WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGING YOU NOW AND THANK
09:05:49AM YOU FOR LIFE IN JESUS'S NAME AMEN.
09:05:51AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:06:04AM >> AMEN.
09:06:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MADAM CLERK, ROLL CALL.
09:06:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:06:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:06:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:06:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:06:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:06:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:06:25AM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:06:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMAN
09:06:31AM CARLSON IS WITH US.
09:06:32AM YES, SIR.
09:06:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS MY 12th DAY AFTER HAVING COVID.
09:06:44AM I SAID IF YOU FELT UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME BEING HERE.
09:06:48AM I TESTED NEGATIVE TWICE AND I COULD ALSO WEAR A MASK.
09:06:51AM JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW.
09:06:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
09:06:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
09:07:00AM COUNCIL.
09:07:00AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:07:02AM TODAY'S MEETING IS AVAILABLE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ABLE
09:07:06AM TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL
09:07:09AM 640 AND FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 AND ON THE INTERNET AT
09:07:14AM TAMPAGOVERNOR.NET/LIVESTREAM.
09:07:17AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN ATTEND IN PERSON OR CITY COUNCIL
09:07:20AM CHAMBERS.
09:07:21AM HERE WE ARE AT 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
09:07:24AM VIRTUALLY PARTICIPATE THE MEET WHAT IS REFERRED TO FLORIDA
09:07:29AM STATUTES AND RULES AND COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
09:07:32AM PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED TO SPEAK VIRTUALLY WITH THE USE
09:07:36AM OF CMT.
09:07:37AM AND THIS IS AVAILABLE -- THE INSTRUCTIONS -- ON THE CITY
09:07:43AM COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AND ALSO ON THE AGENDA AND THE NOTICE OF
09:07:45AM TODAY'S MEETING.
09:07:46AM AGAIN, PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN THE SUBJECT OF GENERAL
09:07:51AM PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SUBJECT OF THE WORKSHOP WILL BE TAKEN
09:07:54AM AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK THAT
09:07:57AM COUNCIL ADOPT -- WAIVE THE RULES TO ADOPT THE USE OF CMT FOR
09:08:01AM TODAY'S MEETING.
09:08:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:08:05AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:08:07AM ALL IN FAVOR?
09:08:09AM OPPOSED?
09:08:10AM THANK YOU.
09:08:10AM COUNCILMEMBERS, I HAVE ONE WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM.
09:08:15AM IT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE HURRICANE SEASON, AND I WOULD JUST
09:08:19AM LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS KNOW THAT THIS CITY IS
09:08:22AM WELL PREPARED IN CASE OF ANY EVENT THAT MAY HAPPEN DUE TO A
09:08:27AM HURRICANE.
09:08:27AM CHIEF BENNETT.
09:08:30AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.
09:08:34AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:08:35AM GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
09:08:37AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:08:40AM I APPRECIATE YOU ACCOMMODATING THIS SHORT WALK-ON.
09:08:43AM ONCE I SAW THE SPAGHETTI MODELS POINTING OUR WAY.
09:08:48AM THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A REVIEW FROM OUR
09:08:53AM OFFICE, JOHN.
09:08:54AM THE BACK OFFICE WILL BRING UP HIS POWERPOINT.
09:08:59AM THE CONTENT WILL BE BRIEF BUT IT IS HEAVY.
09:09:04AM GO ON OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WEB PAGE AND MAKE SURE YOU
09:09:07AM CONNECT TO THE MOST UP-TO-DATE COMMUNICATION PROCESSES FOR
09:09:10AM THE CITY.
09:09:11AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:09:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:09:13AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:09:25AM GOOD MORNING.
09:09:25AM ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE
09:09:28AM LEADERSHIP OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.
09:09:30AM DEFINITELY UNPRECEDENTED EVENTS IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
09:09:33AM SINCE COVID-19 AND GOING INTO THE PEAK OF THE SEASON.
09:09:36AM THANK YOU FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, ADMINISTRATORS, CHIEF
09:09:39AM TRIPP, THAT WE WORK UNDER WITH THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY
09:09:42AM MANAGEMENT.
09:09:42AM A LOT IS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND TO MAKE SURE THE CITY OF
09:09:46AM TAMPA IS WELL PREPARED FOR STORM SEASON.
09:09:48AM QUICKLY WANT TO JUMP IN QUICK VIEW OF THE ATLANTIC BASIN
09:09:52AM CLIMB FOLLOWING.
09:09:53AM SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER DEFINITELY HIGH ACTIVITY.
09:09:56AM WE ARE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE HURRICANE SEASON.
09:09:57AM BUT JUST A TOUCH IN SEPTEMBER.
09:09:59AM A LOT OF TROPICAL WAVES COME OFF THE AFRICAN COAST MAKE
09:10:03AM THEIR WAY ACROSS THE ATLANTIC.
09:10:05AM HURRICANE IRMA IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT KIND OF STORM.
09:10:08AM IN OCTOBER, YUCATAN PENINSULA, QUICKER STORMS LIKE HURRICANE
09:10:12AM MICHAEL THAT HIT IN THE PANHANDLE.
09:10:15AM A LITTLE LESS TIME TO PREPARE FOR THOSE BUT THEY INTENSIFY
09:10:19AM QUICKLY.
09:10:19AM ON THE SLIDES ABOUT 100-YEAR NAME STORMS THAT ARE DEVELOPED.
09:10:25AM THE FIVE-DAY TROPICAL OUTLOOK AS CHIEF BENNETT WAS ALLURING
09:10:29AM TO.
09:10:29AM THERE IS A SYSTEM WE ARE MONITORING CURRENTLY ABOVE
09:10:32AM VENEZUELA.
09:10:32AM THAT STORM IS CURRENTLY AT THAT FAR OUT ON ANY FORECASTS.
09:10:36AM I KNOW A LOT OF MEDIA ATTENTION BUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT
09:10:39AM FIVE-DAY WINDOW IS STILL SOMETHING.
09:10:43AM AND SOMETHING WE WILL BE MONITORING DAILY AS THE UPDATES
09:10:47AM FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER.
09:10:48AM CURRENTLY NO THREATS FOR THE TAMPA BAY REGION.
09:10:51AM QUICK ON NAMES.
09:10:53AM THE NEXT ONE WILL BE HERMINE.
09:10:57AM HURRICANE FIONA, CATEGORY ONE STORM, CAN PROVIDE WIDESPREAD
09:11:04AM DEVASTATION TO A COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY FLOODING THAT WE HAVE
09:11:06AM SEEN OUT THERE.
09:11:06AM DEFINITELY ON THE LOWER CATEGORY STORMS, IT IS SOMETHING
09:11:10AM THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR
09:11:14AM SITUATION REPORTS.
09:11:15AM YOU ALL RECEIVE OUR SITUATION REPORTS OUT OF THE OFFICE OF
09:11:18AM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TO ENSURE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.
09:11:22AM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LATEST INFORMATION IS GETTING OUT
09:11:25AM TO ALL OF OUR LEADERSHIPS, AS WELL AS OUR ADMINISTRATORS AND
09:11:29AM OPERATIONAL COMPONENTS.
09:11:30AM WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH THOSE OUT AS MORE INFORMATION
09:11:32AM BECOMES AVAILABLE.
09:11:33AM AND AS WELL, THAT DOCUMENTS ALL THE ACTIVITY WE ARE DOING IN
09:11:38AM THE FIELD AND THE CITY OF TAMPA LEVEL.
09:11:39AM SO REAL QUICK AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY OF TAMPA HURRICANE
09:11:44AM PLANS AND OPERATIONS.
09:11:45AM I WANTED TO TOUCH LIGHTLY.
09:11:47AM WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY RELATIONS PLAN AT CITY OF
09:11:52AM TAMPA THAT LAY OUT OUR FRAMEWORK.
09:11:54AM BLUE SKIES TABLE OF ORGANIZATION WHERE THE EMERGENCY IS.
09:11:58AM DURING AN EMERGENCY, WE RESTRUCTURE HOW WE RESPOND FROM
09:12:02AM EMERGENCY EVENTS.
09:12:03AM THIS DOCUMENT LAYS OUT THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE CITY.
09:12:06AM WE ALSO HAVE OUR KNOW YOUR ROLE PROGRAM THROUGH HUMAN
09:12:09AM RESOURCES AND THAT ASSURES THAT EVERY CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE
09:12:12AM DOES HAVE A ROLE DURING AN EMERGENCY.
09:12:13AM THERE IS 4800 EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:12:15AM WE ARE AN OFFICE OF FOUR.
09:12:18AM WE HAVE SO HAVE A FULL CITY GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS
09:12:22AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OTHER DIFFERENT LEVELS TO RESPOND TO
09:12:25AM AN EMERGENCY.
09:12:26AM WE MAKE REASSIGNMENTS AT OUR SHELTERS.
09:12:29AM OUR PUSH TEAMS AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTERS THAT CLEAR
09:12:32AM DEBRIS.
09:12:33AM LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE RESCUE.
09:12:34AM WE KNOW USE THE NO YOUR ROLE PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY WHENEVER AN
09:12:39AM EMERGENCY HAPPENS THOSE PERSONNEL HAVE THE TRAINING AND ABLE
09:12:42AM TO RESPOND QUICKLY.
09:12:43AM AS I ALLUDED TO BEFORE, HOW WE ORGANIZE DURING EMERGENCIES,
09:12:48AM WE BREAK THEM UP DURING EMERGENCY SUPPORT FUNCTIONS THAT IS
09:12:51AM OUTSIDE OF OUR DEPARTMENT MODE AND REALLY OUR GRAY SKIES IN
09:12:54AM A SENSE THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS, WE NEED TO GET THEM TOGETHER.
09:12:57AM WITHIN EF-1 TRANSPORTATION AND EFS 3, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
09:13:04AM THAT THE GROUPS OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT WORK TOGETHER
09:13:07AM ARE EMBEDDED WITH EACH OTHER APPEAR COMMUNICATE AND SHARE
09:13:10AM VERY QUICKLY AND IF THERE ARE RESOURCE NEEDS, THEY ARE
09:13:13AM GROUPED UP IN IN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.
09:13:14AM WE DO HAVE A TROPICAL CYCLONE MATRIX.
09:13:20AM AND REALLY, AGAIN, ALL THE UNCERTAINTY WITH STORMS, THIS
09:13:24AM DOES PROVIDE US WITH GUIDELINES AND CHECKLISTS OF THINGS WE
09:13:28AM NEED TO DO WITH CERTAIN TIME THRESHOLDS.
09:13:31AM GETTING 120 HOURS OUT, WE ARE GETTING BRIEFING FROM THE
09:13:34AM NATIONAL WEATHER CENTER, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, OUR
09:13:37AM PARTNERS WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, BUT GETTING CLOSER, WE
09:13:42AM HAVE ACTION ITEMS WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH BEFORE THE LAND FALL
09:13:46AM OF A HURRICANE.
09:13:47AM HURRICANE EVACUATION DECISION PROCESS GOING ALL THESE DAYS
09:13:50AM OUT, WE ARE MONITORING THESE STORMS WELL OUT INTO THE
09:13:54AM ATLANTIC OR THE GULF BEFORE THERE ARE ANY THREATS TO US.
09:13:58AM AS THEY ARE GETTING THE REPORT, WE GETTING THOSE DAYS OUT.
09:14:01AM HURRICANE IRMA, IT WAS MONDAY.
09:14:03AM WE WERE HIGHLY ENGAGED WITH NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.
09:14:07AM THE STORM CAME THAT SATURDAY UP IN OUR WAY.
09:14:09AM DAYS OUT WE ARE VERY ENGAGED WITH OUR PARTNERS MAKING A
09:14:13AM DECISIONS ON EVACUATIONS.
09:14:15AM THEY ARE UNPREDICTSABLE.
09:14:17AM STORMS SPEED UP.
09:14:18AM OUR INTENSITY CHANGES.
09:14:19AM WE WORK WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND A LOT OF LESSONS
09:14:22AM LEARNED FROM HURRICANE IRMA'S EVACUATION TO DO IT BETTER.
09:14:26AM MAKE SURE THAT THE SHELTER IS OPEN BEFORE EVACUATION ORDER
09:14:33AM IS MADE AND GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
09:14:36AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:14:36AM ONE THING TO NOTE, OUR EVACUATION CHANGED IN 2002.
09:14:44AM NOWE, THE WORST CASE, HURRICANE MICHAEL, CATEGORY 5 STORM,
09:14:49AM TO GET STORM SURGE UP TO THAT LEVEL.
09:14:51AM BUT 54,000 PEOPLE WERE NOT IN AN EVACUATION ZONE IN THE PAST
09:14:57AM BUT CURRENTLY ARE.
09:14:59AM GO TO TAMPA.GOV/HURRICANE.
09:15:02AM KNOW YOUR ZONE BECAUSE IF THERE IS AN EVACUATION, WE WILL DO
09:15:05AM IT BY ZONE.
09:15:06AM THIS SLIDE, AGAIN, WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE PARTNERSHIP WITH
09:15:09AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:15:10AM ANY LARGE DISASTER -- I WAS UP AT HURRICANE MICHAEL IN THE
09:15:14AM PANHANDLE, IT TAKES A WHOLE GOVERNMENT APPROACH.
09:15:17AM CITY OF TAMPA WILL NOTABLE ABLE TO HANDLE A CATASTROPHIC
09:15:21AM STORM BY IT.
09:15:24AM >> HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FEMA, NATIONAL GUARD.
09:15:27AM ALL GETS PUSHED UP FROM THE CITY WHAT WE NEED AT ALL THOSE
09:15:31AM LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
09:15:32AM TO HIGHLIGHT ONE OTHER OPERATIONAL ITEM, WE HAVE EMERGENCY
09:15:35AM RESPONSE CENTERS THAT PRESTAGE BEFORE OUR STORM.
09:15:38AM PUBLIC WORKS TEAM THAT COME UP AFTER A STORM FOR THE ALL
09:15:43AM CLEAR SO EMERGENCY RESPONDER CAN GET IN, LIFE SAFETY
09:15:47AM OPERATIONS, INITIAL FIRST PUSH OFF OF PRIORITY ROADS TO GET
09:15:50AM DEBRIS OFF THE ROAD SO FIRST RESPONDERS CAN COME IN, PERFORM
09:15:55AM SEARCH AND RESCUE MISSIONS AND OTHER LIFE SAFETY NEEDS.
09:15:59AM PUBLIC SHELTERS, 46 OF THEM IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:16:01AM AGAIN THEY PROVIDE IMMEDIATE LIFE SAFETY NEEDS FOR OUR
09:16:05AM PUBLIC TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO GO DURING A STORM.
09:16:08AM WE RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO PREPLAN AHEAD OF TIME WITH ANOTHER
09:16:13AM OPTION FAMILY AND FRIENDS OUTSIDE OF AN EVACUATION ZONE AND
09:16:18AM SHELTER FOR EVERY RESIDENT THAT NEEDS A SAFE PLACE TO GO.
09:16:22AM WE FIND A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING TWO YEARS AGO TO
09:16:26AM PROVIDE CITY PERSONNEL IN CITY SHELTERS MOVING FORWARD AND
09:16:30AM THAT WAS 2020.
09:16:31AM LESSONS LEARNED FROM HURRICANE IRMA, BUT ONCE AGAIN CLOSE
09:16:37AM CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS.
09:16:38AM SPECIAL NEED.
09:16:39AM ERWIN TECH AND YINGLING ENTER IS THAT IS SET UP FOR THAT.
09:16:45AM ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, OXYGEN, DIALYSIS OR ANY OTHER MEDICAL
09:16:50AM NEEDS DURING A STORM, THEY NEED TO REGISTER NOW.
09:16:52AM THE PHONE NUMBER 813-307-8063 MANAGED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
09:17:00AM HEALTH AND URGE ANY RESIDENTS WHO MAY NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
09:17:03AM OF THIS TO REGISTER TODAY.
09:17:04AM THERE IS A PROCESS TO GET REGISTERED FOR ONE OF THESE
09:17:08AM SHELTERS.
09:17:08AM HART WILL SET UP NONEMERGENCY BUS ROUTES THROUGH HART.
09:17:15AM THOSE BUS ROUTES WILL GET YOU ONE OF FOUR SHELTERS: PIZZO,
09:17:21AM MIDDLETON AND SHIELDS.
09:17:23AM THEY HAVE EMERGENCY BUS SHELTER ON THE ROUTES AS YOU SEE
09:17:26AM OFTEN THE SCREEN, BUT YOU CAN FLAG DOWN A BUS ON THOSE
09:17:29AM ROUTES ONCE THEY ARE ACTIVATED.
09:17:31AM THEY WILL CONTINUE TO RUN CONTINUOUSLY UNTIL WIND SPEEDS
09:17:35AM MAKE IT UNSAFE TO DO SO AND TO GET FOLKS TO SHELTERS.
09:17:38AM MEDICAL OR TRANSPORTATION NEED, 272-5900 FROM HART AND YOU
09:17:45AM CAN SCHEDULE A PICKUP IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO ANY
09:17:49AM ONE OF THOSE ROUTES.
09:17:50AM TOUCHED LIGHTLY POINTS OF DISTRIBUTION, ON THE FRONT END OF
09:17:54AM THE STORM BEFORE IT COMES, SANDBAGS TO THE PUBLIC.
09:17:58AM BACK END, WE MAY NEED TO GIVE COMMODITIES.
09:18:00AM I WAS UP IN HURRICANE MY CAT -- AGAIN HURRICANE IRMA AT AL
09:18:04AM LOPEZ PARK, WE GAVE OUT WATER AND FOOD.
09:18:07AM THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF OPERATIONS THAT WILL BE GOING ON
09:18:09AM BEFORE A STORM AND AFTER.
09:18:13AM FOR THE PUBLIC WE ECHOED THIS SINCE JUNE 1.
09:18:16AM WE NEED EVERYBODY TO MAKE A PLAN, UPDATE YOUR HURRICANE KITS
09:18:20AM NOW, AND STAY INFORMED BY SIGNING UP TO ALERT TAMPA,
09:18:24AM TAMPA.GOVERNOR/ALERTTAMPA OR TEXT TAMPA READY TO 88877 AND
09:18:31AM RECEIVE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS DIRECTLY TO THE CITY OF
09:18:34AM ANYTHING WE ARE DOING, EVACUATION OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION
09:18:38AM PERTINENT.
09:18:38AM WE USED THAT VERY HEAVILY DURING COVID-19.
09:18:41AM BUT FOR THE STORM, THAT WILL BE THE SAME SYSTEM WE ARE
09:18:45AM USING.
09:18:45AM ONE OTHER THING WE PUT IN MACE LAST YEAR WAS WE INSTALLED
09:18:49AM WEATHER STATIONS AT THREE OF OUR FIRE STATIONS AS WELL AS
09:18:52AM RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM AND USF.
09:18:56AM PROVIDES 24-7 LIVE WEATHER INFORMATION.
09:18:58AM WE USE IT OPERATIONALLY HOW TO MAKE DECISIONS BUT THE PUBLIC
09:19:02AM HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE INFORMATION,
09:19:07AM HILLSBOROUGH.WEATHERSTEM.COM TO GET LIVE INFORMATION FROM
09:19:10AM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY.
09:19:12AM AND AGAIN, I TOUCHED ON 24 BEFORE, BUT I STRESSED EMERGENCY
09:19:16AM NOTIFICATION.
09:19:16AM BEST WAY IS TO SIGN UP FOR ALERT TAMPA OR WE ARE VERY
09:19:21AM HEAVILY IN SOCIAL MEDIA.
09:19:22AM @ALERT TAMPA ON TWITTER, FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM.
09:19:26AM ONE OTHER NICE FEATURE WE WORK CLOSELY WITH TPD AND
09:19:32AM STORMWATER IS THE LIVE STREET FLOOD MAP.
09:19:33AM IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE TAMPA.GOV/FLOODMAP.
09:19:37AM LIVE FLOOD DATA EVEN FOR THE SUMMER STORMS AS THEY GET
09:19:41AM REPORTED IN BY THE PUBLIC AND CONFIRMED BY TAMPA POLICE
09:19:46AM DEPARTMENT.
09:19:47AM YOU CAN SEE WHERE FLOODED STREETS ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY
09:19:50AM AND NOTE TO AVOID THOSE AREAS.
09:19:53AM JUST IN CLOSING AGAIN, WE KNOW THE TROPICS ARE ACTIVE.
09:19:56AM WE ARE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE SEASON.
09:19:57AM I URGE OUR RESIDENTS TO GET PREPARED NOW.
09:19:59AM AS BEAUTIFUL DAYS AS THIS WEEKEND, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL
09:20:03AM PROCEED US NEXT WEEK, BUT NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO UPDATE
09:20:06AM YOUR PLANS, KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO GO, YOUR EVACUATION,
09:20:10AM UPDATE YOUR HURRICANE KITS AND STAY INFORMED WITH US.
09:20:13AM THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
09:20:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:20:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU TALK OF THE SLIDE WITH OXYGEN,
09:20:22AM DIALYSIS AND THOSE OTHER TYPE OF HEALTH CARE NEEDS.
09:20:24AM ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS, YOU NEED TO BE LOCATING THE
09:20:30AM DIALYSIS CENTERS.
09:20:31AM MOST FOLKS ON DIALYSIS OR OXYGEN, MOST DO NOT -- MOST ARE
09:20:35AM SICK.
09:20:35AM THEY DON'T DO INTERNET.
09:20:36AM THEY DON'T REGISTER.
09:20:37AM THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
09:20:39AM I WOULD SUGGEST MOVING FORWARD, THAT THE COUNTY WILL NOTIFY
09:20:47AM THE DIALYSIS CENTER, WITH PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY NEED AND GO.
09:20:51AM ALSO WITH OXYGEN AS WELL.
09:20:53AM IN THE MIDST OF THE STORM.
09:20:55AM THEY ARE LOST AND THEY HAVE NOBODY ANYWAY.
09:20:57AM I LOOK IF WE CAN POSSIBLY CONTACTING THOSE DIALYSIS -- THREE
09:21:02AM OR FOUR -- ONE IN EAST TAMPA.
09:21:04AM THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
09:21:06AM TO GO TO HAVE REGISTRY SO THEY CAN REGISTER AND NOT BE IN
09:21:09AM THE MIDST OF A STORM.
09:21:11AM >> YES, SIR.
09:21:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:21:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
09:21:17AM A LOT OF INFORMATION IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT HOW GOOD
09:21:20AM YOU ARE IN SENDING OUT NOTIFICATION AND COMMUNICATION.
09:21:23AM I GET YOUR E-MAILS ALL THE TIME.
09:21:25AM THE INFORMATION COMES THROUGH QUICKLY.
09:21:27AM YOU MENTIONED ALERT TAMPA IT IS VERY, VERY 88877, TAMPA
09:21:35AM READY.
09:21:35AM YOU TEXT THAT AND YOU ARE ON IT.
09:21:37AM THE FLOOD MAP IS HELPFUL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SEE CARS
09:21:41AM STUCK IN FLOODED ROADS AND THE LIVE FLOOD MAPS WILL HELP
09:21:45AM PEOPLE PREPARE AHEAD OF TIME.
09:21:46AM AND FINALLY, YOU KNOW, GASTON AND HERMINE.
09:21:52AM NEVER A GUIDO ON THAT LIST.
09:21:55AM I SAW LISA.
09:21:56AM MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE GETS ONE AND EVEN MARTIN ON THERE.
09:22:01AM MAYBE ONE DAY I WILL MAKE THE LIST.
09:22:03AM BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I APPRECIATE IT.
09:22:06AM COUNCILMAN GUDES TOUCHED ON THE SPECIAL NEEDS SHELTERS.
09:22:10AM WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT AND YOU NEED OXYGEN AND ON DIALYSIS,
09:22:14AM WHATEVER IT IS, SECONDS COUNT.
09:22:18AM A VERY CRITICAL SITUATION.
09:22:20AM BUT EVEN SANDBAG LOCATION THAT ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE
09:22:24AM CITY STRATEGICALLY THAT ARE EASY ACCESS.
09:22:27AM SO MANY THINGS YOU TOUCHED ON.
09:22:28AM I AM GLAD TO SEE WE ARE -- JUST AS IT SAYS, WE ARE TAMPA
09:22:34AM READY.
09:22:36AM THE WEATHER IS GREAT.
09:22:37AM NO RAIN COMING IN AND I DON'T KNOW THE REST OF THE WEEKEND,
09:22:40AM BUT THIS THE TIME TO PREPARE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS
09:22:43AM COMING.
09:22:43AM WE ARE COME INTO THE PEAK OF THE SEASON.
09:22:45AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
09:22:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:22:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. GUIDO -- NEVER ATTACH YOUR NAME TO A
09:22:55AM NEGATIVE.
09:22:55AM YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
09:22:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURRICANES ARE HARD.
09:23:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE.
09:23:02AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
09:23:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS EXCELLENT
09:23:07AM PRESENTATION.
09:23:07AM IF IT IS NOT IN OUR E-MAIL IN BOXES IF YOU WOULD PASS IT
09:23:12AM ALONG, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
09:23:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.
09:23:16AM IT WAS TIME TO LET THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA TO KNOW WE ARE
09:23:19AM PREPARED.
09:23:19AM WE ARE READY.
09:23:20AM WE HAVE PLANS OF ACTION.
09:23:21AM I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED PUTTING ON
09:23:24AM THIS PRESENTATION.
09:23:24AM I HAVE ONE -- THANK YOU.
09:23:26AM I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO CHIEF BENNETT.
09:23:28AM >>JOHN BENNETT: SIR, YES, SIR.
09:23:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AS THIS COUNCIL HAS SEEN WITH THE PANDEMIC
09:23:36AM THAT WE MAY HAVE TO LEAVE CHAMBERS TO CARRY ON CITY
09:23:42AM BUSINESS.
09:23:43AM IN THE EVENT WE HAVE A CAT 3, CAT 4 HURRICANE AND DOWNTOWN
09:23:48AM IS FLOODED AND WE CAN NOT USE THIS FACILITY, IS THE CITY OF
09:23:54AM TAMPA PREPARED TO HAVE A PLACE FOR COUNCIL TO MEET SO WE CAN
09:23:58AM CONTINUE CITY BUSINESS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE?
09:24:01AM >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
09:24:02AM GREAT QUESTION.
09:24:04AM TO KEEP CITY BUSINESS MOVING WHY U.S. LIKE WE DID IN THE
09:24:07AM PANDEMIC, WE WERE THANKFUL TO HAVE A FACILITY ACCOMMODATE US
09:24:12AM THAT WAS NOT AFFECTED BY MUCH A NATURAL HAZARD.
09:24:15AM CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT AND OPERATIONS, EVERY MONTH, THE
09:24:20AM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE HOLDS A MONTHLY MEETING OF ALL
09:24:23AM THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
09:24:24AM ONE OF THE PRIME MINISTER IS THE CONTINUITY OF OPERATION AND
09:24:29AM GOVERNMENT.
09:24:29AM SPEARHEADED BY THE INNOVATION IN TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT
09:24:33AM LEADERSHIP.
09:24:33AM YES, A MYRIAD FOR WHATEVER IS LEFT OVER FOR US TO WORK IN TO
09:24:37AM RUN CITY GOVERNMENT.
09:24:38AM AND ABSENT OF THAT -- IN A CITY THIS SIZE, WE WILL FIND HIGH
09:24:42AM AND DRY GROUND THAT IS CAPABLE OF COLLOCATING WITH OTHER
09:24:46AM GOVERNMENTS OR STANDING UP A GOVERNMENT INTENSIVE IF WE HAVE
09:24:49AM TO.
09:24:49AM YES, THERE WILL BE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
09:24:52AM ONE POSTSCRIPT TO THE SPECIAL NEEDS PROCESS.
09:24:55AM I WORKED ON THIS DURING IRMA IS THAT -- AND I AM VERY PROUD
09:25:00AM OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THIS ASPECT BECAUSE THEY TAKE A
09:25:03AM VERY PROACTIVE APPROACH OF GOING AROUND AND INSPECTING THE
09:25:06AM ASSISTED LIVING AND THE SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES TO MAKE
09:25:10AM SURE THE GENERATORS ARE WORKING.
09:25:12AM SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE PRO ACTIVITY OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
09:25:16AM GROUPS DO NOT WAITING FOR THE STORM, BUT GO AND MAKE SURE
09:25:20AM THAT THEY ARE DOING THEIR GENERATION AND MAKING SURE THE
09:25:25AM POWER GRIDS ARE WORKING ON THOSE LOCAL FACILITIES.
09:25:27AM I WANTED TO ADD THAT WHAT JOHN MENTIONED EARLIER.
09:25:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
09:25:31AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:25:34AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:25:35AM I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MR. JAY JOHNSON AND CHRIS TOPHILL TO
09:25:41AM COME UP, IF I WOULD.
09:25:42AM I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THESE TWO VERY NICE GENTLEMEN WHO DO
09:25:46AM GOOD WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY TO TALK OF A THANKSGIVING TURKEY
09:25:49AM DRIVE THAT THEY WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT AND WHAT NOT.
09:25:53AM MR. JOHNSON ALONG WITH PATRICIA BROWN LEADS UP "RISE UP FOR
09:25:59AM PEACE" WHICH ADVOCATES FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME AND MR. HILL IS
09:26:03AM WITH UNITED BANKERS JAMBOREE AND IS A UNITED STATES MARINE
09:26:08AM WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:26:10AM I WILL LET YOU ALL SPEAK ON IT.
09:26:12AM THEY DO A LOT OF WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:26:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, JOHNNY JOHNSON, VICE PRESIDENT OF RISE UP
09:26:20AM FOR PEACE.
09:26:21AM AND ONGOING BRINGING RESOURCES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND BRINGING
09:26:26AM UNITY TO OUR COMMUNITY.
09:26:29AM WE PARTNERED UP OF BIKERS JAMBOREE TO HOST OUR FIRST ANNUAL
09:26:34AM GIVEAWAY THANKSGIVING BASKET AND CHRIS TOPHILL WILL BE
09:26:39AM LEADING THAT INITIATIVE WITH A FOOD DRIVE AND EXPLAIN MORE
09:26:43AM WHAT IS GOING ON.
09:26:44AM >> GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER.
09:26:46AM GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
09:26:47AM THE UNITED BIKER JAMBOREE ALONG WITH RISE UP FOR PEACE,
09:26:52AM VISIT TAMPA BAY AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE A TURKEY
09:26:56AM GIVEAWAY.
09:26:57AM OUR GOAL IS TO FEED 1,000 FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
09:27:03AM DURING THESE TIMES AND ENVIRONMENT, WE KNOW IT IS HARD TO
09:27:07AM FEED YOUR FAMILIES.
09:27:08AM WE CURRENTLY HAVE A GOAL THAT WE HAVE SET AND WE WILL
09:27:11AM ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.
09:27:14AM WANT TO TAKE THE HOLIDAY BURDEN AWAY FROM THE FAMILIES AND
09:27:18AM ALLOW THEM TO ENJOY THEMSELVES NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MEAL
09:27:21AM THEY WILL FEED THEIR FAMILIES.
09:27:22AM ALONG WITH THIS PROGRAM, WE WILL BE GIVING OUT BLANKETS AND
09:27:28AM TO HELP THE HOMELESS AND THOSE IN NEED AS WELL.
09:27:30AM THIS INITIATIVE CAN ONLY HAPPEN WITH TEAMWORK.
09:27:33AM WE HAVE A TEAM HERE LAND MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
09:27:38AM A CONTINUAL EVIDENT TO PARTNER UP.
09:27:44AM THANK YOU COUNCIL LEWIS FOR YOUR UNWAIVERING SUPPORT FOR
09:27:50AM RISE UP FOR PEACE TRYING TO CHANGE THE ATMOSPHERE IN OUR
09:27:53AM COMMUNITY THAT IS NEEDED SO VERY BADLY AND THANK THE CITY OF
09:27:57AM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL FOR STANDING HAND IN HAND
09:27:59AM WITH US TO CHANGE THE ATMOSPHERE THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING
09:28:02AM RIGHT NOW IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:28:03AM AND, AGAIN, THE INITIATIVE OF BEHIND THE FOOD.
09:28:07AM WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE GIVE OUT FOOD BOXES AND DONATIONS
09:28:12AM DURING HOLIDAY TIME, BUT WE WANT TO DO IT WITH A LITTLE MORE
09:28:15AM DIGNITY AND FEED PEOPLE WHAT WE WILL EAT.
09:28:17AM WE ARE PARTNERING WITH LOCAL FARMERS AND STUFF GIVING
09:28:21AM FAMILIES FRESH FOODS INSTEAD OF BOXED POTATOES, GIVE THEM
09:28:30AM HOT MEALS AND THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT AND NOT GET THE SAME OL'
09:28:36AM SAME OL' IN THESE BOXES.
09:28:38AM TREATING THEM THE SAME WAY THAT WE WANT TO BE TREATED.
09:28:42AM THE ONLY BY UNITY AND COLLABORATION TO BRING THIS COMMUNITY
09:28:47AM A BETTER PLACE.
09:28:48AM WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP TO PUSH IT OUT, PUT IT ON ANY
09:28:53AM SOCIAL MEDIA, ANY WEB SITES SO OUR COMMUNITY CAN FEEL GOOD
09:28:57AM ABOUT ITSELF.
09:28:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:29:00AM SO SI BROUGHT YOU HERE SO THAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY COULD
09:29:04AM KNOW -- INCLUDING SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE -- I SEE SOME
09:29:07AM FOLKS WITH DIFFERENT CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, ETC. WHETHER YOU
09:29:12AM ARE A LABOR UNION, WHETHER YOU ARE A BUSINESS ORGANIZATION,
09:29:15AM WHETHER YOU ARE A CHURCH OR HOUSE OF WORSHIP, IT WOULD BE
09:29:18AM GREAT IF Y'ALL COULD SUPPORT THE GREAT EFFORT THESE
09:29:22AM WONDERFUL INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING.
09:29:23AM THEY REALLY DO GOD'S WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY.
09:29:26AM AND I JUST -- MY HAT IS ALWAYS OFF TO ALL YOU ALL.
09:29:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:29:38AM DO YOU HAVE A TELEPHONE NUMBER OR WEB SITE FOR PEOPLE WHO
09:29:42AM ARE WATCHING A THE HOME.
09:29:43AM >> THE PHONE NUMBER WOULD BE 813-748-2977.
09:29:49AM 813-748-2977.
09:29:54AM YOU CAN VISIT OUR WEB SITE AT WWW.UNITEDBIKERSJAMBOREE --
09:30:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
09:30:04AM >> WWW.UNITEDBIKERS.COM.
09:30:09AM THAT IS THE WEB SITE.
09:30:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
09:30:13AM ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
09:30:16AM >> IN ADDRESSING THAT, WE WILL BE PUT IT ON THE CITY'S WEB
09:30:19AM SITE, THE POLICE WEB SITE WILL ADVERTISE IT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA
09:30:26AM AND PUTTING IT OUT IN THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY THAT WE WILL
09:30:29AM HAVE THIS EVENT.
09:30:29AM THE PROGRAMS THAT JAMES, PATRICIA AND TOM PUT ON IS NEAR AND
09:30:33AM DEAR AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH
09:30:37AM THESE OFFERINGS TO GO OUT IN
09:30:39AM THE COMMUNITY.
09:30:40AM WE APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS LOOK TO US
09:30:43AM FOR ASSISTANCE, GUIDANCE, AND THEY ARE HELPING TO BRINK
09:30:46AM BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
09:30:49AM SOME OF THE OPERATIONS AND INITIATIVES THAT WE PUT FORWARD
09:30:53AM IN THE PAST AND THEY HAVE TREMENDOUS SUPPORT AND THEY HAVE A
09:30:57AM LOFTY GOAL THEY SET FOR THEMSELVES BUT I AM CONFIDENT WITH
09:31:01AM ALL OF OUR SUPPORT WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
09:31:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PERFECT.
09:31:06AM I HAVE SEEN YOU A LOT IN IF THE PUBLIC TEAMING UP.
09:31:12AM THANK YOU FOR TPD FOR PARTNERING UP WITH THESE TWO GREAT
09:31:17AM MEN.
09:31:18AM THANK YOU.
09:31:18AM WILL SPELL -- MR. SHELBY, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC
09:31:28AM COMMENT.
09:31:28AM I WOULD LIKE TO BREAK WITH THE NORM BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO
09:31:32AM HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON SOME OF OUR WORKSHOP ITEMS.
09:31:35AM IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, IT IS EITHER GENERAL
09:31:40AM PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC COMMENT TO AN -- AN AGENDA ITEM BUT
09:31:45AM NOT BOTH.
09:31:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
09:31:49AM >> SECOND.
09:31:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE DISCUSSED THIS, MR. SHELBY, WE CAN ALLOW
09:31:54AM THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENT ON EACH AGENDA ITEM AT THE END,
09:31:59AM BUT PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE AGENDA ITEM NOT BOTH.
09:32:02AM MEANING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
09:32:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
09:32:07AM BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO AN ITEM, THEY CAN --
09:32:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AFTER IT IS HEARD.
09:32:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OR DO IT NOW.
09:32:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
09:32:18AM AFTER THE AGENDA ITEM, THEY CAN SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE
09:32:21AM AGENDA ITEM.
09:32:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
09:32:23AM THAT IS USUALLY THE WAY YOU RUN THIS FOR THE WORKSHOPS.
09:32:27AM IS THAT CORRECT?
09:32:28AM OKAY.
09:32:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:32:32AM MISS BURTON.
09:32:55AM >> YES, GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
09:32:57AM I WISH I COULD STAY ALL DAY, BUT I CAN'T.
09:33:00AM MY COMMENT THIS MORNING IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS
09:33:03AM BOARD TO GET BACK ON TRACK ON THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU SIGNED
09:33:10AM IN 2020 TALKING ABOUT YOU UNDERSTOOD THE RESULTS OF -- AND
09:33:16AM IMPACT OF SLAVERY AND HOW YOU THROUGH THE CREATION OF A
09:33:22AM COMMISSION WOULD ADDRESS THE LONG-TERM IMPACT OF RACISM AS
09:33:27AM IT RELATES TO ALL PHASES OF -- RELATING TO BLACK.
09:33:32AM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EMPLOYMENT.
09:33:33AM WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF HOUSING.
09:33:36AM HOW DO THIS COUNCIL PLAN ON ADDRESSING THAT?
09:33:41AM IT CAN'T SIMPLY BY DOING CHARITABLE WORK OR THROUGH WORK, IT
09:33:50AM CAN NOT BE.
09:33:50AM IT HAS TO BE PROFOUND AND DEAL WITH THE MASSES OF BLACK
09:33:54AM PEOPLE.
09:33:54AM AS YOU TALK OF YOUR AGENDA ITEM IN TERMS OF STORMWATER.
09:33:58AM HOW WILL BLACK PEOPLE BE IMPACTED BY THAT?
09:34:01AM IS THAT A CREATION AND SETASIDE THAT BLACK PEOPLE WILL BE
09:34:06AM ABLE TO BE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED?
09:34:09AM YOU WROTE THE RESOLUTION IN 2020, YET THIS COMMUNITY HAS NOT
09:34:12AM SEEN ANY MOVEMENT.
09:34:13AM SO WE COULD HAVE REAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL IF ONLY
09:34:17AM YOU WOULD ACT ON THAT.
09:34:20AM ACT ON WAYS IN WHICH OUR COMMUNITY CAN SEE JUSTICE FROM THE
09:34:24AM BEGINNING TO THE END.
09:34:25AM AND I ALSO STRONGLY SUPPORT POINT -- THE RESOLUTION TO PUT
09:34:33AM FORTH AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
09:34:35AM LET'S NOT BE AFRAID OF SUNLIGHT.
09:34:39AM LET'S NOT BE AFRAID OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS
09:34:43AM LONG SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS BUT DO NOT HAVE THE POLITICAL POWER
09:34:47AM OR WILL OR CONNECTION TO DO IT.
09:34:50AM WE BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZEN IN THIS CITY HAS THE ABILITY AND
09:34:54AM THE MATURITY NOW TO SEE EVEN AFTER COVID, THAT DISPARITIES
09:35:00AM DO EXIST.
09:35:01AM AND IF WE, THIS COUNCIL, THIS CITY GOVERNMENT WILL MOVE
09:35:04AM FORWARD, WE CAN COME TO HAVING A MORE JUST SATURDAY.
09:35:07AM THANK YOU.
09:35:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:35:09AM MENTESNOT, WE JUST -- TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:35:19AM WE JUST SEEN A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW AFRICAN PEOPLE GET
09:35:22AM PIMPED.
09:35:23AM ANY BLACK MAN STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE POLICE IS A
09:35:27AM SNITCH.
09:35:27AM YOU GOT BLACK PEOPLE UP HERE ON THE CITY COUNCIL THAT PASSED
09:35:30AM A BILLION DOLLAR.
09:35:32AM AND PEOPLE BEGGING FOR TURKEY AND BLANKETS AND OTHER KIND OF
09:35:35AM STEP BIDNESS.
09:35:36AM PAY US OUR REPARATIONS.
09:35:38AM PAY US OUR REPARATIONS.
09:35:39AM DEAL WITH REPRESENTATIONS AND WE WILL HANDLE THOSE SOCIAL
09:35:44AM PROBLEMS OUR GUEST AND THEY WON'T BE AROUND AND BILL GATES
09:35:47AM AND ALL THE PEOPLE AND WHOSOEVER AND WHOSOEVER AND TESLA AND
09:35:51AM THE REST OF THEM, ELON MUSK IS NOT WORRIED OF TURKEYS AND
09:35:57AM BLANKETS AND IT IS STUPID AND IGNORANT THAT YOU RUN ON US.
09:36:01AM ALL THIS HONORARY STUPIDNESS AND DON'T DEAL WITH A REAL
09:36:06AM ISSUE.
09:36:07AM BILLION BUDGET.
09:36:10AM 26% OF THE POPULATION DESERVE $155 MILLION OF IT AND GOT
09:36:16AM NOTHING AND PEOPLE TALKING OF JUNETEENTH AND OTHER KIND OF
09:36:19AM STUPIDNESS.
09:36:20AM ABSOLUTELY STUPIDNESS.
09:36:22AM PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
09:36:24AM STOP THE PIMP GAME.
09:36:25AM PUTTING YOU ON NOTICE.
09:36:26AM YOU STAND WITH THE POLICE, YOU ARE A SNITCH.
09:36:28AM ROBERT JOHNSON, JANUARY 8, 1934, JAMES CABOT, JOSEPH
09:36:37AM JONAS.
09:36:37AM WE ARE LIVING IN A WHITE NATIONALIST, WHITE FASCIST SOCIETY.
09:36:42AM THE HISTORICAL NORM IS TO EXTRACT EVERYTHING ECONOMICAL,
09:36:47AM SOCIAL, PERSONAL FROM THE OPPRESSED AND USE THOSE RESOURCES
09:36:51AM TO BENEFIT THE CLASS OF WHITE SOCIETY.
09:36:54AM NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE 1942.
09:36:57AM THE CONDITIONS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE ARE THE SAME.
09:36:59AM WE ARE ON THE SAME BOAT, ON THE SAME PLANTATION, THE SAME
09:37:03AM PRISON CELL, THE SAME MASTER'S HOUSE.
09:37:05AM AFRICAN PEOPLE ARE TRAINED TO BEG OUR MASTERS FOR ANY PLACE
09:37:10AM IN SOCIETY AND WAIL TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
09:37:14AM 622 YEARS OF BEGGING AND WAITING.
09:37:18AM INCREASES AT AN ALARMING RATE.
09:37:20AM THE GENERATION OF AFRICAN FORCED TO LIVE IN THE PLANTATION
09:37:23AM WAS PROBABLY BETTER THAN THE AFRICANS WALKING IN THIS CITY
09:37:26AM IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, 2022, LOST IN A TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED
09:37:31AM PROPERTY THAT IS TRYING TO EXPLORE OTHER PLANETS.
09:37:33AM WE AFRICANS HAVE TO GET THE WISDOM OF HOW LIFE IS POLITICS
09:37:38AM WORK.
09:37:38AM HOW WE ARE ABUSED BY A SYSTEM THAT IS USED TO EXTRACT
09:37:43AM EVERYTHING FROM THE AFRICAN MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD FOR THE
09:37:45AM WHITE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.
09:37:46AM NOTHING HISTORICAL OR DEPLORABLE OF PUTTING HUMAN BEINGS ON
09:37:50AM BUSES AND AIRPLANES AND RELOCATING THEM TO OTHER PLACES.
09:37:54AM THE EVOLVED WAY THAT WHITE PEOPLE DEAL WITH THE ISSUE.
09:37:59AM MILLIONS OF AFRICANS OFF OF SLAVE SHIPS.
09:38:03AM MADE TENS OF THOUSANDS INDIANS WALK ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN
09:38:07AM THE MOST HOSTILE CONDITIONS.
09:38:10AM WE NEED REPARATIONS FOR THE WRONGGOINGS.
09:38:13AM WE NEED REPARATIONS TODAY.
09:38:15AM NOT A PLAQUE IN ROBERT JOHNSON IN IN PUBLIC PLACES.
09:38:20AM WE NEED SOLUTIONS IN OUR LIFETIME.
09:38:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:38:26AM >> I WANT TO SPEAK TO AN AGENDA ITEM, I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL
09:38:33AM AFTER IT IS ALREADY VOTED ON.
09:38:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A GENERAL
09:38:37AM COMMENT NOW.
09:38:37AM YOU CAN DO ONE OR THE OTHER.
09:38:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN HAVE A
09:38:45AM CLARIFICATION.
09:38:46AM IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO AN AGENDA ITEM DURING -- THEY
09:38:51AM CAN DO IT NOW, BUT THEY WON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT
09:38:55AM AGAIN A SECOND TIME.
09:38:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S CORRECT.
09:38:58AM >> ALL RIGHT, THEN, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:39:01AM I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TURN ON THE ELMO, BUT I WANTED --
09:39:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WILL TURN ITSELF ON.
09:39:09AM >> I WANT TO TALK OF THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
09:39:11AM THERE IS A COUPLE OF PROPOSALS ON ITEM AGENDA 5.
09:39:16AM ONE IS TO SUBMIT TO THE VOTERS WHETHER THEY WANT TO HAVE AN
09:39:20AM INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY AND WHETHER THEY WANT THE CIVILIAN
09:39:23AM REVIEW BOARD TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS --
09:39:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE TELL US YOUR NAME.
09:39:28AM >> JAMES MICHAEL SHAW, JR.
09:39:30AM AND IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, THE CITY OF KEY WEST AND ORANGE
09:39:34AM COUNTY, CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARDS HAVE AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.
09:39:37AM IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, KEY WEST, ORANGE COUNTY, BROWARD
09:39:43AM COUNTY AND MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD CAN
09:39:47AM ISSUE SUBPOENAS TO CIVILIANS.
09:39:49AM NONE THAT CAN HAVE SUBPOENAS TO POLICE OFFICERS.
09:39:54AM THAT IS NOT LEGAL.
09:39:55AM THIS CRB -- EVEN THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER TO GIVE THAT
09:40:00AM POWER WOULD NOT ISSUE SUBPOENAS TO POLICE OFFICERS, BUT THEY
09:40:04AM WILL BE ABLE TO ISSUE THEM TO CIVILIANS THAT HAS EVIDENCE
09:40:07AM THAT THIS CRB WILL NEED TO LOOK AT TO REACH A SOUND
09:40:11AM DECISION.
09:40:11AM I WANTS TO REMIND EVERYONE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT IS
09:40:14AM BEING THROWN INTO THE DEAL.
09:40:15AM A DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD BACK IN 2021.
09:40:19AM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAD GIVEN THE ADVICE TO COUNCIL
09:40:24AM THAT COUNCIL CAN'T GIVE THOSE AUTHORITIES TO IT THE CIVILIAN
09:40:27AM REVIEW BOARD, THE ABILITY TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS OR AN
09:40:31AM INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEY.
09:40:32AM AMEND THE CHARTER.
09:40:36AM AND COUPLE OF E-MAILS ACKNOWLEDGED BY MEMBERS OF CITY
09:40:41AM COUNCIL THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS GIVEN THE ADVICE.
09:40:46AM IS THAT THE RIGHT ADVICE?
09:40:50AM I DON'T THINK SO.
09:40:50AM I KNOW ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM ITEM 6 IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE
09:40:54AM NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
09:40:55AM BUT WE COMMISSIONED A POLL -- THE ACLU, 82% SAID THEY WANTED
09:41:01AM TO SUBMIT THESE QUESTIONS TO A VOTE.
09:41:03AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A SIDE ON THE QUESTION TODAY.
09:41:05AM BUT IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF THIS COUNCIL TO COULD SOMETHING
09:41:11AM THAT 82% OF THE VOTERS WANTED TO DO.
09:41:16AM AND ONE WAY TO PUT IT TO BED TO SUBMIT THE QUESTION TO THE
09:41:19AM VOTERS AND BE DONE WITH IT.
09:41:21AM WE HAVE BEEN COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YEARS ASKING FOR
09:41:24AM THESE CHANGES AND A WAY TO SUBMIT THE QUESTIONS FOR THE
09:41:28AM VOTERS.
09:41:28AM THE VOTERS CAN VOTE ON IT.
09:41:32AM AND NOT DRAG ON SEVEN YEARS.
09:41:33AM WANT YOU TO DO WHAT 82% OF THE VOTERS WANT YOU TO DO.
09:41:38AM THANK YOU.
09:41:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:41:40AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, RICK FUYO, WEST CORLISS STREET IN
09:41:47AM TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:41:48AM WITH A CLARIFICATION I UNDERSTAND I CAN SPEAK GENERALLY TO
09:41:51AM THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6 THAT HAS GENERALIZED CONSIDERATION
09:41:55AM OF POTENTIAL CHARTER REVIEW AMENDMENTS.
09:41:57AM LIKE MANY OF YOU UP THERE I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING THE
09:42:02AM LAST TIME THAT THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR A HOLISTIC REVIEW OF
09:42:06AM THE CHARTER AND CONSIDERING VARIOUS AMENDMENTS.
09:42:08AM THOSE OF US WHO SERVE THE ON THAT -- MANY OF US WHO ARE
09:42:12AM HERE.
09:42:13AM I FEEL LIKE THE UNDERACHIEVER IN THE ROOM, WE DEBATED AND
09:42:18AM CONSIDERED EACH ITEM WITH GREAT DETAIL AND MADE ULTIMATE
09:42:21AM DECISIONS THAT NOT EVERYONE AGREED WITH, BUT MOVED FORWARD
09:42:25AM AND SOUTH TO IMPLEMENT THOSE.
09:42:27AM I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO REVISITING THAT
09:42:30AM PROCESS IN FIVE YEARS, MAYBE TEN YEARS.
09:42:33AM AND THAT IF IT WAS DONE AGAIN, IT WILL BE DONE IN THE SAME
09:42:36AM MANNER IN A HOLISTIC MANNER BECAUSE -- AGAIN, I AM SPEAKING
09:42:40AM GENERALLY GIVEN THE TIME LIMITATIONS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
09:42:43AM I RECALL WAS A VERY PRECISE RECOMMEND ME IS THAT -- MEMORY
09:42:48AM IS THAT ANY ASPECT PRESIDENT OF CHARTER THAT YOU CHANGE
09:42:50AM IMPACTS MANY OTHERS.
09:42:53AM A HOLISTIC PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT WAY AND I
09:42:56AM WILL SHALL WORRIED OF PIECEMEAL CHANGES THAT ARE DONE
09:43:00AM WITHOUT HAVING A SEPARATE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TO
09:43:04AM CONSIDER IT ALL AND I WOULD BE WORRY DOING IT THREE YEARS
09:43:07AM OUTS INSTEAD OF WAITING AT LEAST SOME TIME TO CONSIDER THE
09:43:12AM POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE AMENDMENTS.
09:43:13AM THAT IS ALL I HAD TOP THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS MORNING.
09:43:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:43:20AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:43:23AM I AM JAMES JUDGE.
09:43:25AM THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS MORNING ON THIS IMPORTANT
09:43:28AM MATTER.
09:43:29AM ON BEHALF OF 137,000 REPUBLICANS IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AND I
09:43:34AM STAND BEFORE YOU AS THE NOMINEE TO REPRESENT 14th
09:43:37AM CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.
09:43:38AM MAY BE UNUSUAL FOR A FEDERAL CANDIDATE TO BE INVOLVED IN
09:43:44AM LOCAL MATTERS, BUT I AM DOING SO AS A TAMPA BUSINESS OWNER.
09:43:47AM AN ACTION THAT COULD SET A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT.
09:43:50AM THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A STRANGE AND UNNECESSARY, A NONELECTED
09:43:54AM CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD WITH ZERO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY WHICH
09:43:58AM MEMBERS THAT COULD HAVE PARTS OF IT WITH CRIMINAL CONVICTION
09:44:01AM ON THEIR RECORD TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWERS.
09:44:03AM SUBPOENA POWERS ARE TYPICALLY FOR ATTORNEYS AND LAW
09:44:07AM ENFORCEMENT WITH THE CONSENT OF A JUDGE AND A SYSTEM IN
09:44:09AM PLACE WITH CHECKS AND BALANCES TO PREVENT ANY WRONGDOING AND
09:44:13AM SHOULD THERE BE ANY WRONGDOING THERE WILL BE SERIOUS
09:44:16AM CONSEQUENCES.
09:44:16AM HOWEVER IN THIS CASE, NO SUCH SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES.
09:44:21AM THIS UNCHECKED BOARD CAN HAVE PRIVATE CITIZENS IN THEIR
09:44:27AM HOMES TURN OVER EVERYTHING.
09:44:28AM PERSONAL PHOTOS, CELL PHONES AND MORE.
09:44:31AM SCENARIO MAY BE OUTSIDE OF THE INTENT OF THIS BORE BODY BUT
09:44:38AM NEVERTHELESS AN IDEA AS WE GO FORWARD.
09:44:40AM TERRIBLE IDEA.
09:44:41AM RISKS PRIVACY CONCERNS, AND VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHTS
09:44:47AM GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS OF THE
09:44:50AM FOURTH AMENDMENT.
09:44:51AM FOURTH AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT FOR PEOPLE TO BE SECURED IN
09:44:54AM PERSONS, HOUSES PAPERS AND EFFECTS AGAINST UNWARRANTED
09:45:01AM SEARCH AND SEIZURES.
09:45:01AM AND PROBABLE CAUSE OF OATH AND OF A IF I MAKE TO BE SEARCHED
09:45:05AM IN THE PLACE AND THE PERSON OF THINGS TO BE SEIZED.
09:45:09AM THE BOARD HAS NO INVESTIGATIVE POWERS.
09:45:13AM CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD WAS FORMED TO ENHANCE TRUST BETWEEN
09:45:16AM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES BY
09:45:19AM AN UNBIASED TO REVIEW COMPLETED DISCIPLINARY CASES AND
09:45:25AM ISSUES THAT ARE OF IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE
09:45:28AM DEPARTMENT.
09:45:28AM THEIR PURPOSE IS TO REVIEW COMPLETED DISCIPLINARY AND NOT
09:45:32AM START THEIR OWN INVESTIGATIONS.
09:45:33AM THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS WILL SAY THAT THE WHAT THE CRB, BUT
09:45:41AM ONLY DO IT FOR POLICE INVESTIGATIONS.
09:45:42AM THIS IS A DANGEROUS AND SLIPPERY SLOPE.
09:45:44AM THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS SHOWED WE NEED LESS GOVERNMENT, NOT
09:45:48AM MORE OF IT.
09:45:48AM NONE OF THIS IS NECESSARY.
09:45:50AM WE ALREADY HAVE A SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES ALREADY IN
09:45:53AM PLACE.
09:45:53AM THE TAMPA POLICE, INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THE DEPARTMENT OF LAW
09:45:57AM ENFORCEMENT, THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE FBI AND MORE
09:45:59AM ALL HAVE THE POWER AND AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT THEIR OWN
09:46:03AM INVESTIGATIONS NOT TO MENTION EVERY CITIZEN HAS A RIGHT TO
09:46:05AM REQUEST DOCUMENTS AND HAVE THEIR OWN REVIEWS THROUGH THE
09:46:10AM SUNSHINE ACT AND THE MEDIA.
09:46:11AM THIS THESE THINGS ARE NOT WORKING.
09:46:13AM AND YOU ARE SAYING GOVERNMENT IS NOT WORK SO WE NEED MORE
09:46:18AM GOVERNMENT.
09:46:18AM NOT WHAT WE WOULD TEE IN HERE BUT IN COMMUNIST CHINA.
09:46:24AM I STRONGLY CONDEMN THIS EFFORT AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST FOR
09:46:27AM THE CITY COUNCIL TO PROHIBIT THIS EFFORT FROM MOVING
09:46:29AM FORWARD.
09:46:29AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
09:46:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:46:32AM IF THERE IS ANYONE ELSE TO BE SPEAKING DURING THIS PUBLIC
09:46:45AM COMMENT FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
09:46:49AM THANK YOU.
09:46:50AM PROCEED.
09:46:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMAN CITRO, COUNCIL, IT IS AN HONOR
09:46:56AM TO BE STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU AND ALSO AN HONOR STANDING IN
09:47:00AM A ROOM WITH SO MANY OF OUR LEADERS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE
09:47:03AM HERE.
09:47:05AM AS A SON OF A DISABLED RETIRED POLICEMAN.
09:47:09AM AN HONOR.
09:47:11AM I AM BOB ROHRLACK, THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE TAMPA BAY
09:47:16AM CHAMBER AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
09:47:18AM THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBER HAS LONG SUPPORTED AND VALUED
09:47:21AM STRUCTURED STABILITY AND STRONG GOVERNANCE OF THE CITY OF
09:47:25AM TAMPA AND THE LEADERSHIP WORK YOU HAVE DONE.
09:47:26AM IN FACT OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS ABLE TO THRIVE ON THAT
09:47:30AM STABILITY THAT WE COUNT ON EVERY DAY WITH YOU.
09:47:33AM THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBER HAS A SIMILAR TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS
09:47:36AM DUE TO OUR PROCESSES, PROCEDURES AND OUR FOUNDATION ON GOOD
09:47:42AM GOVERNANCE IN OUR ORGANIZATIONS THAT OUR MEMBERS AND
09:47:44AM BUSINESSES IN THE REGION CAN DEPEND ON WITH US.
09:47:46AM IN 2018, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION CONCLUDED A
09:47:50AM COMPREHENSIVE TEN-MONTH ANALYSIS OF THE CITY'S 47-YEAR-OLD
09:47:54AM CHARTER AND UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED 18 SUBSTANTIAL
09:47:58AM AMENDMENTS THAT WERE -- ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL
09:48:02AM AND THEN BY THE VOTERS.
09:48:03AM THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBERS ARE CONFIRMED THAT HOLDING A CITY
09:48:08AM COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO REVIEW SEVERAL MEMBERS ON THE CHARTER A
09:48:12AM FEW YEARS AFTER THE VOTERS APPROVED AMENDMENTS AT A REGULAR
09:48:15AM ORDER RISK THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARTER AND SETS THE NEXT
09:48:20AM DELIBERATIVE REVIEW WILL ONLY BE IN 2027.
09:48:23AM WE ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT IS
09:48:27AM ESTABLISHED AND SET IN PLACE.
09:48:29AM KEEP IN MIND BECAUSE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DOESN'T
09:48:33AM NECESSARILY MEAN YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING.
09:48:35AM THANK YOU.
09:48:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:48:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:48:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO CLARIFY I AM A MEMBER -- MY
09:48:44AM COMPANY IS A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBER.
09:48:47AM CAN YOU CLARIFY DID THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OR BOARD VOTE TO
09:48:50AM ASK YOU TO SAY THIS OR OFFERING AN OPINION --
09:48:53AM >> THE GOOD GOVERNANCE IS ONE OF OUR TEN-YEAR VISION PLAN
09:48:57AM AND FALLS WITHIN THE GUIDANCE OF GOOD GOVERNANCE.
09:49:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: DID THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OR THE BOARD
09:49:06AM VOTE -- TO ASK YOU TO NOT RECOMMEND CHARTER TODAY.
09:49:10AM >> WE DIDN'T SPEAK ON THIS SPECIFICALLY BUT SPOKE BEFORE THE
09:49:13AM CITY AND COUNTY BEFORE, ISSUES THAT FALL WITHIN THE GOOD
09:49:19AM GOVERNANCE, THAT HAS BEEN VOTED BEFORE.
09:49:23AM NOT THIS SPECIFICALLY SAY.
09:49:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY TO HAVE TO ASK YOU.
09:49:29AM WE OFTEN ASK PEOPLE IF THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE
09:49:34AM ORGANIZATION OR AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
09:49:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:49:37AM MY NAME IS LAURA RODRIGUEZ, AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA
09:49:41AM BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE, AND I'M HERE TO SAY I SUPPORT
09:49:45AM THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL SUBPOENA PORTION OF THE CRB BOARD.
09:49:49AM I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC
09:49:52AM WOULD VOTE YES ON.
09:49:53AM AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP OF THE CRB NOT BEING
09:49:58AM ELECTED, I THINK MAYBE IN THE FUTURE THINK OF IT BEING
09:50:01AM ELECTED.
09:50:02AM I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO HAVE
09:50:07AM POWER OVER THE COMMUNITIES AND WHO POLICES OUR COMMUNITIES.
09:50:09AM WE KNOW AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW EVERYONE THAT THE DEPARTMENT
09:50:13AM OF JUSTICE INTO THE CRIME-FREE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT WAS
09:50:16AM IMPLEMENTED BY TPD, THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME HERE, WHERE THEY
09:50:20AM WERE FOUND GUILTY OF UNJUSTLY KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR
09:50:24AM HOMES OR TELLING LANDLORDS TO KICK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES
09:50:28AM EVEN IF THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY
09:50:31AM BAD USE OF MY MONEY PERSONALLY AND ONCE AGAIN WOULD LIKE TO
09:50:35AM REMIND THEM OF THE BIKING WHILE BLACK PROGRAM THAT WAS
09:50:39AM IMPLEMENTED AND STILL IN EFFECT WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO
09:50:42AM ADMIT IT OR NOT WHERE 70% OF THE PEOPLE PULLED OVER FOR --
09:50:47AM FOR BIKING CITATIONS ARE BLACK IN THE CITY WHERE IT IS 26.2%
09:50:51AM HAS A BLACK POPULATION OF 26.2%.
09:50:54AM I THINK HAVING A CRB WITH SOME POWER CAN BRING TRUE
09:51:05AM TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITY IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE NEED
09:51:11AM -- WE NEED INVESTIGATION THAT SECRETARIES TERM TO WHAT IS
09:51:14AM BEING HAPPENING AND OBVIOUS THEY CAN'T SOLVE THEIR OWN
09:51:21AM PROBLEMS SO THEY NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.
09:51:23AM THANK YOU.
09:51:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:51:25AM >> HI, MY NAME IS SIMON ROWE.
09:51:29AM I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION
09:51:33AM COMMITTEE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, WHICH
09:51:36AM WOULD -- YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW SUBPOENA POWER
09:51:40AM AND INDEPENDENT COUNSEL TO BE ON THE BALLOT.
09:51:45AM WOULD SUPPORT IT IF IT IS ON THE BALLOT.
09:51:48AM RIGHT NOW I WOULD DEFINITELY VOTE YES ON IT.
09:51:51AM BUTTIER NOT AT THAT POINT YET.
09:51:53AM I'M HERE TO SAY WE REALLY WANT THIS OPPORTUNITY HERE IN
09:51:56AM TAMPA TO HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD THAT ACTUALLY CAPABLE
09:52:02AM OF DOING THINGS.
09:52:03AM I KNOW THAT I AM GREEN REGARDING LIVING HERE IN TAMPA.
09:52:07AM I ONLY HAVE GONE TO A COUPLE OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD
09:52:11AM MEETINGS.
09:52:12AM LIKE NO ONE GOES.
09:52:13AM IT'S VERY INTIMIDATING.
09:52:16AM HONESTLY, THERE COULD BE LIKE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT OVER HOW
09:52:22AM IT CAN ACTUALLY GET ACCOUNTABILITY FOR PEOPLE IN TAMPA I
09:52:26AM THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE GOAL HERE.
09:52:30AM SHOULDN'T EXIST AS A PUBLIC RELATIONS BOARD THAT EXISTS AS
09:52:35AM AN IN BETWEEN BETWEEN THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE
09:52:38AM COMMUNITY.
09:52:38AM LIKE THE POLICE SHOULD HAVE TO EARN THEIR TRUST.
09:52:40AM RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT.
09:52:42AM YOU KNOW, HEARING CHIEF OF POLICE SAY BIKING WHILE BLACK IS
09:52:47AM OVER.
09:52:47AM WE FIXED IT.
09:52:48AM BUT CLEARLY ON TPD'S WEB SITE, YOU CAN SEE OF THE PEOPLE
09:52:54AM PULLED OVER THIS YEAR ON BIKES, 70% ARE BLACK.
09:52:58AM STILL A RACISM ISSUE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, IN THIS
09:53:02AM IMPLEMENT, AND THE CRB JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO
09:53:08AM ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
09:53:08AM WE ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW ABOUT
09:53:11AM SPECIFIC CASES.
09:53:11AM WE JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT ABILITY SO PEOPLE CAN GET
09:53:16AM ACCOUNTABILITY HERE IN OF TAMPA SO WE CAN HAVE TRANSPARENCY
09:53:20AM BECAUSE WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TRUST IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT
09:53:23AM IS SO AFRAID OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
09:53:27AM THAT MISREPRESENTS THINGS LIKE THEY HAVE NOT EARNED OUR
09:53:32AM TRUST.
09:53:32AM AND NOT ONLY HAS THE ACLU SURVEY SHOWN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
09:53:38AM WOULD SUPPORT A CRB HAVING MORE POWER WHICH IS WELL WITHIN
09:53:43AM THE LAW AS SHOWN IN OTHER CITIES HERE IN FLORIDA.
09:53:46AM SORRY.
09:53:51AM LIKE THIS IS WELL WITHIN THE POWER OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW
09:53:56AM BOARD TO HAVE.
09:53:56AM AND NOT ONLY WAS THE ACLU SURVEY SHOWING BROAD SUPPORT FOR
09:54:02AM THIS, THE CRB SURVEY ITSELF -- I THINK IT WAS FROM THE
09:54:07AM MAYOR, IRENE GUY MENTION IT DURING ONE OF THE MEETINGS.
09:54:10AM THAT ALSO SHOWED SUPPORT.
09:54:11AM EVEN IF YOU DISMISS THE ACLU POLL, YOU CAN'T DISMISS THE
09:54:16AM CITY'S POLL.
09:54:17AM SOMETHING WITH A LOT OF BROAD SUPPORT.
09:54:19AM PLEASE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT SO WE CAN -- HOPEFULLY IN THIS
09:54:24AM DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT.
09:54:27AM LET US DECIDE, PLEASE.
09:54:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:54:30AM >> GOOD MORNING, Y'ALL.
09:54:34AM MY NAME IS DAVID JONES, MEMBER OF THE TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY
09:54:37AM ACTION COMMITTEE AND SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF GIVING THE CRB --
09:54:42AM PUTTING POWER OF THE SUBPOENA ON THE MARCH BALLOT.
09:54:45AM YOU KNOW THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING TIME FOR THE MEETING.
09:54:48AM JUST TODAY, WE ARE SEEING 14-YEAR-OLD ANDREW JOSEPH'S FAMILY
09:54:54AM FINALLY GET THEIR VERDICT IN THE CASE OF WRONGFUL DEATH AT
09:54:59AM THE HANDS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
09:55:00AM A CASE THAT TOOK EIGHT YEARS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT
09:55:04AM TO THE COURTS.
09:55:05AM EIGHT YEARS TOO LONG IF WE ARE BEING HONEST.
09:55:09AM EIGHT YEARS THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO HAPPEN AND THAT
09:55:12AM FAMILY SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO STRUGGLE FOR.
09:55:14AM YOU KNOW AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY WITH POLICING AND
09:55:17AM ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS COUNTRY, IN THIS STATE.
09:55:19AM IN THE CITY EVEN.
09:55:22AM BECAUSE OF JUST LIKE SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE INTERESTING
09:55:27AM POLICING TACTICS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
09:55:29AM THAT IS NOT RIGHT.
09:55:31AM BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW INDEPENDENT BODIES TO
09:55:36AM ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE, TO LOOK OVER THESE CASES IS NECESSARY
09:55:39AM SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FAMILIES STRUGGLING AND SUFFERING
09:55:43AM FOR YEARS ON YEARS, ASKING, BEGGING AND DEMANDING JUSTICE.
09:55:47AM YOU KNOW, AND PUTTING THAT ON THE BALLOT SO THAT THE CITY
09:55:51AM CAN VOTE ON IT IS THE LEAST THAT CAN BE DONE.
09:55:54AM EVEN IF IT IS ON THE BALLOT, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT IT
09:55:58AM WILL PASS.
09:55:58AM THE REALITY IS FOLKS LIKE THE PBA.
09:56:01AM FOLKS LIKE THE -- EXCUSE ME, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
09:56:04AM FOLKS LIKE TPD PROPER IN THEIR SPOKESPEOPLE WOULD LIKE --
09:56:10AM ATTACK THE BILL AND THAT IS JUST THE REALITY.
09:56:13AM PASS IT IS EVEN QUESTIONABLE, BUT AT LEAST THAT CAN BE DONE
09:56:16AM TO PUT IT UP FOR THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE.
09:56:20AM PUTTING IT UP FOR THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW.
09:56:23AM THERE HAS BEEN TALK OF DEMOCRACY.
09:56:26AM TALK HOW WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A DICTATORSHIP AND
09:56:30AM WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE TRUE WAY TO GET OUT OF THAT IS
09:56:35AM BY LEAVING IT TO THE PEOPLE IN TERMS OF, LIKE, AMENDING THE
09:56:38AM CHARTER.
09:56:38AM IF IT IS GOING TO MAKA ACTUAL, TANGIBLE CHANGE THAT THE
09:56:44AM PEOPLE OF TAMPA WANT THAT THE CITIZENS ARE WILLING TO COME
09:56:47AM OUT AND FIGHT FOR AND KEEP DEMANDING THEN, THERE IS NO
09:56:53AM REASON TO SHOOT IT DOWN -- TO CONTINUE TO SHOOT IT DOWN.
09:56:57AM SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, LET THE FOLKS CHOOSE.
09:56:59AM LET THE FOLKS.
09:57:01AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:57:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:57:08AM >> HELLO, MY NAME IS TAYLOR COOK.
09:57:10AM I'M HERE WITH TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE AS WELL
09:57:13AM AND HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND
09:57:16AM SUBPOENA POWER.
09:57:16AM I THINK -- LIKE REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU GUYS FEEL OR ANYBODY
09:57:20AM IN THIS ROOM FEELS ABOUT IT, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE IT IS UP
09:57:24AM TO THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE, THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THIS CITY, THAT
09:57:27AM MAKE IT RUN, PROVIDE COFFEE AND THE GAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE
09:57:30AM TO MAKE THIS CITY FUNCTION AS IT DOES.
09:57:32AM I THINK THAT IS THE LEAST THAT WE CAN DO IS LET PEOPLE VOTE
09:57:36AM ON IT.
09:57:36AM BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN
09:57:40AM NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MYSELF WHERE THE POLICE BLOCK OFF THE
09:57:42AM ROADS WHENEVER THEY WANT.
09:57:43AM WHERE THEY HARASS KIDS ON BIKES.
09:57:45AM I THINK IT IS FAIR TO LET PEOPLE DECIDE IF THEY WANT POLICE
09:57:50AM ACCOUNTABILITY OR NOT AND THIS IS THE NEXT STEP.
09:57:52AM ABOUT.
09:57:53AM WHEN I THINK OF SUBPOENA POWER IN THE CRB, I WISH IT WAS A
09:57:58AM LOT STRONGER BECAUSE I THINK OF JONAS JOSEPH SHOT OVER 125
09:58:02AM TIMES.
09:58:02AM DOMINIQUE MULKE WHO WAS SHOT AND KILLED FOR BEING HUNGRY.
09:58:08AM NOT TPD, BUT I THINK OF ANDREW JOSEPH III WHO WAS KILLED.
09:58:14AM JOSIAH PINOR WHERE HE WAS MOWED DOWN BY A OFFICER GOING 25
09:58:22AM MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
09:58:23AM ALL THOSE PEOPLE AND LOST THEIR LIVES WHO COULD HAVE LIVED
09:58:28AM FULL, RICH LIVES WITHOUT POLICE MURDERING IN THE STREET.
09:58:32AM MY FRIENDS WHO HAVE SCARS FROM RUBBER BULLETS BACK IN
09:58:37AM 2020.
09:58:37AM THE FEELING OF TEAR GAS IN MY THROAT THAT I COULDN'T EAT FOR
09:58:42AM A WEEK.
09:58:43AM KIDS THAT GOT TEAR GASSED BY TPD.
09:58:46AM THAT IS WHAT I THINK OF WHEN I THINK OF POLICE
09:58:48AM ACCOUNTABILITY AND I THINK HAVING SUBPOENA POWER WOULD BE
09:58:51AM THE RIGHT STEP.
09:58:52AM AN INDEPENDENT POWER AND NOT ONLY FOR OPEN CASES BUT CLOSED
09:58:57AM CASES THAT ARE ALREADY BEEN INVESTIGATING.
09:58:58AM AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS STRONG ENOUGH.
09:59:00AM BUT A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
09:59:02AM REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FEEL.
09:59:04AM IF WE WANT TO HAVE A DEMOCRATIC CITY.
09:59:07AM I SPOKE ON TUESDAY HOW I THOUGHT THE BUDGET PROCESS WAS
09:59:11AM UNDEMOCRATIC.
09:59:12AM ONE WAY TO SHOW US THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC CITY BY LETTING THE
09:59:16AM CITY VOTE ON THE SUBPOENA POWER FOR THE CRB.
09:59:19AM THANK YOU.
09:59:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:59:23AM >> HEY, THANKS, GOOD MORNING, ANDY MACE, 101 E. KENNEDY
09:59:29AM BOULEVARD.
09:59:29AM I'M HERE IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN OF
09:59:33AM THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS THAT HAVE GOVERNED THE CITY FOR
09:59:37AM A PERIOD OF TIME.
09:59:37AM I KNOW THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT JUST HAPPENED IN 2018,
09:59:41AM AND ONE I THINK CONTINUES TO BE IN EFFECT.
09:59:44AM AND IN MY OPINION, THAT PROCESS SHOULD BE RESPECTED.
09:59:50AM AND THAT PROCESS SHOULD BE USED TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
09:59:54AM IF THAT PROCESS IS NOT FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN OR DOESN'T NEED
10:00:01AM TO ADDRESS URGENT ISSUES, I WOULD URGE EACH OF YOU TO
10:00:07AM UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO A
10:00:12AM PROCESS THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
10:00:14AM WE HAD JEFF SCOTT, THE FOOTBALL COACH FROM USF AT THE
10:00:18AM CHAMBER BOARD MEETING THIS MORNING AND HE WAS TALKING OF THE
10:00:20AM VERY -- ALMOST BEATING THE FLORIDA GATORS.
10:00:23AM HE HAD A GREAT LINE.
10:00:25AM HE SAID TRUST THE PROCESS.
10:00:27AM DON'T RUSH THE PROCESS.
10:00:28AM SO I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO TRUST THE PROCESS AND NOT RUSH THE
10:00:32AM PROCESS.
10:00:33AM THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO BE WITH YOU HERE TODAY.
10:00:35AM APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S SERVICE.
10:00:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:00:39AM ANYONE JACOBY ELLSBURY IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
10:00:43AM PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
10:00:45AM SEEING NONE.
10:00:46AM I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON ON LINE.
10:00:49AM MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU HERE?
10:00:53AM I AM SORRY?
10:00:56AM OKAY.
10:00:57AM THEN LET'S START WITH OUR AGENDA ITEMS.
10:01:03AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, FILE NUMBER CM-22-772 -- 79.
10:01:12AM >>BRAD BAIRD: GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN, CITY COUNCIL.
10:01:15AM BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:01:18AM IF I COULD GET A PRESENTATION PULLED UP ON SOUTHEAST
10:01:23AM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT.
10:01:26AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:01:34AM FIRST THE AGENDA WHICH IS -- THE STATUS UPDATE WILL INCLUDE
10:01:39AM CONTINUOUS -- CONTINUING COMMUNICATION IMPROVEMENTS, FLORIDA
10:01:43AM AVENUE CLOSURE, WEST CREST AVENUE RESTORATION, AND THE
10:01:48AM UPCOMING COMMUNITY MEETING NEXT WEEK.
10:01:52AM FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH CITY COUNCIL THE PROCESS
10:02:09AM STRUCTURE BUT KEY TO COMMUNICATION ON THE PROJECT SITE.
10:02:11AM JEFF NELSON IS THE COMPANY PRESIDENT AND OWNER AND THE BUCK
10:02:16AM STOP WITH HIM.
10:02:16AM I HAVE HIM HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY.
10:02:20AM JEFF, IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR HAND.
10:02:22AM THEN THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE
10:02:26AM FIELD IS FALLS UNDER THE COMPANY'S GENERAL SUPERINTENDENT.
10:02:31AM HIS NAME IS JOE HAMILTON.
10:02:33AM THEN THE TWO PROJECT SUPERINTENDENTS SHOWN IN ORANGE ARE
10:02:39AM KNOWN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS AND REPORT TO GEORGE --
10:02:44AM JOE, EXCUSE ME.
10:02:45AM WILL STOCK IS THE PROJECT MANAGER THAT REPORTS DIRECTLY TO
10:02:49AM JEFF JUST LIKE JOE DOES, WHO TRACKS THE SCHEDULING, THE
10:02:54AM NUMEROUS ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS AND THE COMMUNICATIONS ON
10:02:57AM THE PROJECT.
10:02:57AM SO HE IS OVER THE FIRM DIALOGUE THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN
10:03:04AM WORKING WITH ON COMMUNICATIONS ON THE PROJECT.
10:03:07AM PRESIDENT COMMUNICATIONS AND RESPONSIVENESS STARTS IN THE
10:03:17AM TRENCH.
10:03:17AM I SAID THAT TWO WEEKS AGO LAST TIME BUT DO WHAT YOU ARE
10:03:22AM GOING TO DO AND DO WHAT YOU SAY.
10:03:23AM IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE.
10:03:26AM THAT'S WHY THE TWO PROJECT SUPERINTENDENTS SHOWN HERE ARE
10:03:30AM NEW.
10:03:30AM THE PREVIOUS ONES WERE NOT MISSING NELSON'S OR THE CITY'S
10:03:34AM STANDARDS.
10:03:34AM SO THE -- THE ESTIMATED TIME FRAMES SET AND EXPECTATION FOR
10:03:43AM THE PUBLIC.
10:03:44AM AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN THOSE TIME FRAMES ARE MISSED AND THE TEAM
10:03:48AM FALLS SHORT, THAT LEADS TO FRUSTRATION AND AGGRAVATION.
10:03:55AM I AM SORRY, I WAS -- THE -- IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE
10:04:03AM OVERALL PROJECT IS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE BY ABOUT FOUR MONTHS.
10:04:10AM THIS IS A LONG PROJECT OF THREE YEARS.
10:04:11AM ; HOWEVER, THE TIME FRAMES COMMUNICATED ON INDIVIDUAL
10:04:17AM STREETS WERE VERY HOSPITAL MYSTIC.
10:04:20AM AND THE NEW PROJECT SUPERVISORS ARE MAKING MORE REALISTIC
10:04:25AM ESTIMATES AND THEN DELIVERING ON THOSE PROMISES.
10:04:32AM NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK OF THE IMPROVED SITE APPEARANCE
10:04:36AM AND THE COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVED A FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE
10:04:41AM TRASH.
10:04:42AM WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS AREA.
10:04:44AM THEY HAVE CLEANED UP AND SODDED ALONG RIVER BOULEVARD.
10:04:49AM WE KNOW THE RESIDENTS WERE HAPPY WITH THAT.
10:04:51AM THEY HAVE GIVEN US THAT FEEDBACK.
10:04:53AM CREWS CLEANED UP ALONG CREST AND CENTRAL.
10:04:56AM NELSON RECENTLY BANNED PLASTIC WATER BOTTLE FROM ITS CREWS
10:05:03AM AND REGULAR SUBCONSULTANTS AND PROVIDED THEM WITH ALUMINIUM
10:05:07AM WATER BOTTLES TO BE USED.
10:05:08AM AND MR. NELSON HAS RECEIVED 100 OF THOSE BOTTLES AND HAVE
10:05:17AM 250 MORE ON ORDER.
10:05:18AM SO WE CAN SHARE THEM WITH MORE THAN JUST THE WORKERS IF SOME
10:05:25AM OF THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES WOULD LIKE THOSE.
10:05:27AM WE ADDED FIVE-GALLON BUCKETS TO THE SITE FOR TRASH AND
10:05:33AM CONSIDERED THOSE TWICE-A-DAY TRASH SWEEPS.
10:05:36AM AND THIS NEXT ONE IS A BIG ONE.
10:05:38AM I TALKED TO AT LEAST ONE OF YOU ABOUT THIS.
10:05:42AM AND THAT IS WE APPROVED THE USE OF THE EXISTING ROME YARD
10:05:50AM FOR STAGING AND STORING OF THE LARGE ITEMS, THE LARGE
10:05:55AM STORMWATER PIPE AND STRUCTURES.
10:05:56AM THE MANUFACTURERS OF THESE ITEMS ARE FORCING EARLY
10:06:00AM DELIVERIES.
10:06:01AM PAUSE OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN.
10:06:03AM THIS IS KIND OF THE REVERSE WHAT YOU ARE HEARING ON THE
10:06:07AM SUPPLY CHAIN WHICH WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO SIT IN THE
10:06:10AM RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THREE TO 12 MONTHS.
10:06:12AM THAT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE.
10:06:14AM AND ESPECIALLY ON CENTRAL AVENUE WHERE THEY ARE CREATING
10:06:21AM SIGHT OBSTRUCTIONS.
10:06:22AM THE CREWS CONTINUE TO STORE THE ITEMS TO THE ROME YARD AND
10:06:27AM GOING FORWARD, WILL STORE EVEN MORE OF THOSE MATERIALS.
10:06:30AM NEXT, TALK OF THE FLORIDA AVENUE CLOSURE.
10:06:37AM UNFORTUNATELY, THE FLORIDA AVENUE CLOSURE DID HAVE TO BE
10:06:40AM EXTENDED TO OCTOBER 7.
10:06:44AM LARGE-SCALE COMPLICATED WORK IS TAKING MORE TIME THAN WE
10:06:48AM ANTICIPATED.
10:06:48AM THE SEQUENCE OF OPERATION TO INSTALL STORMWATER INLETS.
10:06:56AM TO ENSURE THE WATER MAIN IS SAFE FOR DRINKING BEFORE WE PUT
10:07:00AM IT INTO SERVICE.
10:07:01AM ALONG WITH SOME OF THE RECENT RAINS IT HAD TO BE PUSHED OUT.
10:07:07AM THE GOOD NEWS IS, THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM JUMPED ON THAT
10:07:10AM VERY QUICKLY.
10:07:12AM THEY POSTED AN ALERT TO THE PROJECT'S WEB SITE ON SEPTEMBER
10:07:15AM 15.
10:07:15AM THESE GO TO ALL THE SUBSCRIBERS.
10:07:19AM HAND-DELIVERED FLAVORS ON THE BUSINESSES ON THE 16th.
10:07:23AM THOSE THAT WEREN'T OPEN, THEY RECEIVED A PHONE CALL OR AN
10:07:28AM E-MAIL.
10:07:28AM WE E-MAILED A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON THE 16th SO THEY
10:07:32AM COULD SHARE WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
10:07:34AM CREATED SOCIAL POSTS FOR THE CITY'S USE ON TWITTER AND NEXT
10:07:38AM DOOR.
10:07:42AM WE ADD THIS "BUSINESS OPEN" SIGN ON THE SOUTH END OF THE
10:07:45AM PROJECT AND THE TWO FLAGGERS ENDED TO THE SOUTH SIDE TO GET
10:07:53AM PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS IN AND OUT AS WELL AS PATRONS TO
10:07:57AM THE BUSINESS.
10:07:58AM NEXT SLIDE.
10:08:02AM TO CONTINUE ON THE -- LET'S SEE HERE.
10:08:09AM TO CONTINUE ON TO THE FLORIDA AVENUE CLOSURE.
10:08:13AM IT IS SCHEDULED TO BE UNDER GROUNDWORK TO BE COMPLETE BY
10:08:18AM TOMORROW.
10:08:18AM CREWS BEGAN REBUILDING THE ROAD TO THE SOUTH THIS WEEK AND
10:08:24AM WILL CONTINUE NEXT WEEK.
10:08:26AM PAVING SHOULD OCCUR THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 3 SO THE ROAD COULD
10:08:29AM BE REOPENED BY THE END OF THE WEEK WHICH IS OCTOBER 7.
10:08:36AM WE ARE SHOOTING TO BEAT THAT AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE AN
10:08:39AM OUTSIDE CHANCE OF BEATING THAT DATE WHICH WILL BE GOOD.
10:08:42AM TO OVERDELIVER.
10:08:45AM THIS CASE.
10:08:46AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HEARD RESIDENTS' CONCERN OF SPEEDING
10:08:56AM ON NORTH HIGHLAND.
10:08:57AM THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OF LATE.
10:08:59AM THE PROJECT TEAM HAS AN OFF-DUTY OFFICER POSITIONED AT
10:09:03AM HIGHLAND AND WEST HIYA STREET DURING THE IT SHALL WEST HAYA
10:09:10AM STREET TOURING THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON TO CALM TRAFFIC.
10:09:13AM SO LET'S TALK OF WEST CREST RESTORATION.
10:09:17AM FIRST THE 300 BLOCK.
10:09:19AM THESE ARE THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE PROBABLY ENDURED THE MOST
10:09:24AM CONSTRUCTION.
10:09:24AM TOWARD THE RIVER.
10:09:26AM THE TWO GRAND OAK MYSTERIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE HAVE BEEN
10:09:31AM REMOVED AND THIS TOOK LONGER THAN EXPECTED.
10:09:33AM THE FIRST LAYER OF THE ROAD BASE HAS BEEN INSTALLED ON THIS
10:09:37AM BLOCK.
10:09:37AM CURB AND GUTTER IS SCHEDULED TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH
10:09:41AM SIDE TODAY AND ON THE NORTH SIDE TOMORROW.
10:09:44AM THE FIRST LAYER OF ASPHALT SHOULD GO DOWN BY THE END OF NEXT
10:09:50AM WEEK AND DOOR HANGERS CONTRIBUTED ON THE 300 BLOCK TO KEEP
10:09:54AM ALL HOMEOWNERS AWARE OF THE SLIGHT DELAY.
10:09:58AM ONCE AGAIN WE ARE COMMUNICATING.
10:10:01AM SO THE 100 AND 200 BLOCKS WHICH ARE TOWARD FLORIDA AVENUE,
10:10:08AM THE CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES.
10:10:09AM THE BOX CULVERT HAS BEEN INSTALLED TO FLORIDA AVENUE TO DIE
10:10:14AM IN AT THAT LOCATION.
10:10:18AM THE -- A SANITARY SEWER CREW WILL BE OUT TO TB THE SANITARY
10:10:25AM MAINS SO ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE AS NEEDED.
10:10:28AM INITIALLY FOLLOWING THE SANITARY ADJUSTMENTS, CREWS WILL
10:10:31AM START BUILDING THE ROADWAY AND THEN FINALLY, WE EXPECT THE
10:10:35AM FIRST LAYER OF ASPHALT ON THE 100 TO 200 BLOCKS TO BE
10:10:39AM SOMEWHERE LATE OCTOBER, LATE NOVEMBER.
10:10:44AM SOME THAT THE TEAM'S FOCUS IS ON COMMUNICATION CONTINUES TO
10:10:56AM BE LASER SHARP AND ROBUST.
10:10:58AM SINCE LAST WEEK -- THIS IS JUST SINCE LAST WEEK -- BOTHED
10:11:05AM FOUR WEB ALERTS TO THE E-SUBSCRIBERS LIST.
10:11:11AM MEETING WITH PRESIDENTS, TWO OUT OF THREE.
10:11:14AM E-MAIL LOCAL SCHOOLS, HART AND HAND-DELIVERED TO CARACAS.
10:11:28AM WE DID KNOCK ON EACH DOOR AND OFFERED PERSONAL UPDATES ON
10:11:32AM MONDAY.
10:11:32AM SO WE ALSO HAVE BEEN PLANNING A COMMUNITY MEET WHICH IS
10:11:39AM SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 29 AT 6 P.M. IN
10:11:45AM HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM.
10:11:46AM NELSON WILL PROVIDE A PROJECT UPDATE AND TAKE QUESTIONS AND
10:11:51AM COMMENTS FROM THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.
10:11:52AM YOU ARE INVITED TO ATTEND, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
10:11:55AM THIS MEETING HAS BEEN NOTICED BY DIRECT MAIL POSTCARD TO
10:11:59AM ABOUT 1300 ADDRESSES IN THE PROJECT AREA WE HAND DELIVERED
10:12:09AM POSTCARDS TO BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT MAY LEASE SPACE
10:12:12AM THAT MAY NOT BE ON THE TAX ROLLS.
10:12:14AM WE STARTED RUNNING A SOCIAL POST ON NEXT DOOR, AND PROVIDED
10:12:19AM THOSE POSTS TO THE CIVIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
10:12:22AM SO THEY COULD PUBLICIZE TO THEIR MEMBERS FINALLY WE ARE JUST
10:12:31AM CONTINUING TO APPROVE -- WHERE THE CITY STAFF IS IT OVERALL
10:12:35AM PLEASED WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST
10:12:38AM MONTH.
10:12:38AM UNDER THE NEW PROJECT SUPERVISORS.
10:12:45AM THIS IMAGE SHOWS PROGRESS ON HILLSBOROUGH BETWEEN
10:12:50AM HILLSBOROUGH AND OSBOURNE.
10:12:51AM RESTORATION IS DUE TO THE MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS ON CENTRAL.
10:12:55AM AND WE WILL HAVE A MORE DETAILED SCHEDULE YOU KNOW ON FUTURE
10:13:03AM UPDATES.
10:13:03AM ON THE ROAD NEXT WEEK AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, WITH WE WILL
10:13:08AM HAVE AN UPDATE ON CENTRAL.
10:13:10AM THAT CONCLUDES ANY PRESENTATION AND WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR
10:13:13AM QUESTIONS.
10:13:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:13:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS UPDATE.
10:13:18AM I WANT TO SAY THE BIGGEST KUDOS I CAN GIVE TO YOU IS THAT
10:13:24AM THIS MORNING WHEN I ASKED OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PRESIDENT TIM
10:13:30AM KEYSPORT HOW IT IS GOING.
10:13:32AM HE SAID IN A MEETING RIGHT NOW.
10:13:34AM THINGS ARE GOING WELL.
10:13:35AM I DON'T THINK HE USED THE WORLD WELL, BUT GOING IN A GOOD
10:13:43AM DIRECTION.
10:13:43AM I APPRECIATE THE DOOR-TO-DOOR COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS
10:13:48AM ON CARACAS.
10:13:50AM AND I REQUEST BEFORE THE HILLSBOROUGH HIGH MEETING, DO THE
10:13:55AM SAME WITH CENTRAL.
10:13:55AM THAT WILL BE WONDERFUL.
10:13:57AM I APPRECIATE IT.
10:13:58AM I JOINED THE E-MAIL LIST.
10:14:01AM I HAVE GOTTEN ALL THE E-MAILS.
10:14:02AM I APPRECIATE THE -- THE FOCUS ON ACTUALLY REACHING OUT TO
10:14:07AM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY WHO ARE MOST IMPACTED.
10:14:09AM THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
10:14:13AM WHEN YOU WENT INDIVIDUALLY TO CREST.
10:14:15AM YOU WENT INDIVIDUALLY TO CARACAS.
10:14:18AM I THINK KEEPS THOSE THINGS IN MIND FOR AREAS YOU ARE GOING
10:14:21AM TO WORK ON IN THE FUTURE IS GREAT.
10:14:23AM I APPRECIATE YOURS AND WILSON'S WILLING CONTINUES TO TURN IT
10:14:28AM AROUND.
10:14:29AM I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.
10:14:32AM AND I KNOW WE WILL STAY IN CONTACT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE
10:14:38AM CHANGE AND THE FOCUS ON INDIVIDUAL COMMUNICATION.
10:14:41AM I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY AND I THINK WE WILL SEE IF WE
10:14:44AM HAVE THAT INDIVIDUAL COMMUNICATION ALONG CENTRAL, I THINK WE
10:14:47AM WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE AT THIS MEETING, WHICH IS IMPORTANT,
10:14:51AM BUT I THINK WE WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE.
10:14:52AM THANK YOU FOR CONTINUALLY WORKING ON THIS.
10:14:54AM THE COMMUNITY WILL STILL -- LET ME KNOW IF IT IS NOT
10:14:58AM WORKING.
10:14:58AM SO, THANK YOU.
10:14:59AM >>BRAD BAIRD: YOU ARE WELCOME AND WE DO COMMIT GOING DOOR TO
10:15:08AM DOOR ON CENTRAL.
10:15:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:15:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
10:15:13AM GREAT PRESENTATION.
10:15:15AM MY QUESTIONS WERE AN END BECAUSE YOU GAVE THE INFORMATION ON
10:15:18AM THE SLIDES.
10:15:18AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WAS THE TRASH THAT WAS LEFT.
10:15:21AM YOU DID SAY AND SHOWN ALREADY THERE IS A TWICE-A-DAY SWEEP.
10:15:26AM THE BANNING OF PLASTIC BOTTLES.
10:15:28AM ONE GENTLEMAN SENT ME PICTURES LAST WEEK WITH THE HEADLINES
10:15:32AM ON THE E-MAIL HERE WE GO AGAIN AND PHOTOS OF TRASH.
10:15:35AM YOU ARE ADDRESS IT.
10:15:37AM I RESPONDED TO HIM SAYING I WILL REACH OUT TO THE
10:15:40AM CONTRACTOR.
10:15:40AM WE WILL TALK TO THE CITY.
10:15:41AM HE SAID AND THEN WHAT.
10:15:43AM WELL, HERE IS THE ANSWER.
10:15:45AM THE TWICE-A-DAY SWEEPING, TRASH RECEPTACLES, BANNING OF
10:15:52AM PLASTIC BOTTLES.
10:15:54AM I DON'T KNOW NOW HIS OR HER RESPONSIVE YOU CAN BE, YOU AND
10:15:57AM THE CONTRACTOR.
10:15:57AM MR. STOCK HAS ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIVE AND RESPONDS.
10:16:02AM AND MOST IMPORTANTLY -- I KNOW A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE
10:16:06AM AFFECTED IN FLORIDA.
10:16:07AM I APPRECIATE THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS COMMUNITY AS THEY ALWAYS
10:16:10AM DO, THEY COME TOGETHER.
10:16:11AM LAST NIGHT, LADIES OF THE HEIGHTS, SEVERAL THOUSAND MEMBERS
10:16:16AM TO THE TOGETHER AT THE INDEPENDENT SUPPORTING ONE BUSINESS.
10:16:19AM THAT IS ONE OF SEVERAL THERE.
10:16:20AM EVERYBODY IS DOING THEIR PART UNDERSTANDING THAT FAMILIAR
10:16:24AM IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING THIS AND WE WILL BE GLAD WE ARE
10:16:27AM DOING THIS ONCE IT IS COMPLETED AND WE SEE THE BENEFITS.
10:16:30AM AND YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 7 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH.
10:16:34AM THAT IS THE DATE THAT THE STREET REOPENS.
10:16:36AM CREST AS YOU MENTIONED ALREADY, THE FINAL INSTALLATIONS, THE
10:16:42AM CURBS, FLORIDA GETS PAID.
10:16:43AM AGAIN, WE WILL BE GRATEFUL THAT WE DID THIS.
10:16:45AM I KNOW THIS IS VERY DUFF NOW, BUT, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU
10:16:50AM BEING SO RESPONSIVE AND COMING TODAY.
10:16:53AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:16:54AM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
10:16:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:16:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LADIES OF THE HEIGHTS.
10:17:04AM IT IS WONDERFUL AND I WAS THERE LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS -- IT
10:17:08AM WAS AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID, A WONDERFUL -- THE
10:17:11AM COMMUNITY DOES COME OUT.
10:17:12AM AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB.
10:17:15AM THE ONLY OTHER THING I ASK IS IF I CAN GET A COPY OF THIS
10:17:21AM AND IT CAN BE PASSED ALONG TO THE PRESIDENTS OF THE
10:17:24AM ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL.
10:17:27AM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE WILL DO THAT.
10:17:28AM THANK YOU.
10:17:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. BAIRD, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR
10:17:33AM THIS REPORT.
10:17:34AM LET THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT WHEN YOU COME TO US, WE GET STAFF
10:17:40AM TO GET THINGS DONE.
10:17:41AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS REPORT.
10:17:43AM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
10:17:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:17:46AM PURCHASE BHIDE.
10:17:51AM AND -- MISS ABBYE FEELEY.
10:17:53AM MR. BHIDE, IF I MAY, DO YOU WANT TO OPEN 3 AND 4 TOGETHER.
10:18:01AM >>VIK BHIDE: SURE THING.
10:18:02AM MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:18:04AM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
10:18:07AM WE ARE HERE TO ADDRESS ITEMS 3 AND 4.
10:18:10AM THIS WILL BE A JOINT PRESENTATION.
10:18:14AM ITEM 3 IS RELATED TO THE MOTION MADE BY UNDERSTANDING WHAT
10:18:18AM WE ARE DOING WITH OUR GARAGES AND LOTS RELATIVE TO EV
10:18:24AM CHARGING.
10:18:24AM ITEM 4 IS MORE OF A POLICY ITEM REQUESTED BY COUNCIL OF HOW
10:18:31AM ARE WE GOING TO IMPLEMENT POLICIES OF EV CHARGING ON PRIVATE
10:18:37AM PROPERTY.
10:18:39AM WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION AND WILL START US OFF FOLLOWED
10:18:43AM BY ME SPEAKING OF WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH OUR LOTS AND
10:18:47AM GARAGES AND ABBYE WILL CLOSE US OUT WITH THE POLICY
10:18:51AM ELEMENTS.
10:18:51AM WITH THAT I WILL CALL UPON WIT TO START OUT.
10:18:56AM >> GOOD MORNING, WIT RAMER, SUSTAINABILITY AND RELIANCE
10:19:01AM OFFICER.
10:19:01AM TRYING SOMETHING NEW WITH MULTIDEPARTMENT PRESENTATION.
10:19:07AM I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO TEE UP THE GENERAL EV STATE OF PLAY
10:19:11AM HERE IN THE CITY.
10:19:12AM AND THEN EACH DEPARTMENTS WILL GO INTO SPECIFIC MOTION THAT
10:19:17AM WERE REQUESTED.
10:19:18AM CAN WE GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE WHICH IS EV READINESS
10:19:24AM BACKGROUND.
10:19:25AM SO I JUST WANT TO START BY PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF
10:19:28AM FRAMEWORK OF HOW THEY THINK OF EVs AND SOME FOOD FOR YOUR
10:19:32AM THOUGHT AS YOU CONSIDER THESE POLICY IMPLICATIONS.
10:19:35AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
10:19:36AM SO FLORIDA HAS THE SECOND MOST REGISTERED ELECTRIC VEHICLES
10:19:39AM IN THE COUNTRY.
10:19:40AM ACTUALLY I WAS DOUBLE CHECKING THESE NUMBERS THIS MORNING.
10:19:43AM 58,000 NUMBER IS INACCURATE.
10:19:47AM WE HAVE 95,000 REGISTERED ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THE SECOND
10:19:51AM HIGHEST BEHIND CALIFORNIA WHICH HAS 600,000 ELECTRIC
10:19:55AM VEHICLES.
10:19:55AM SO WE HAVE GOT A LOT, BUT AS YOU WILL SEE IN A MOMENT AS A
10:20:01AM PROPORTION OF THE TOTAL VEHICLES AND THE STATE, IT
10:20:06AM STILL HOVERS AROUND 1%.
10:20:07AM RIGHT NOW FLORIDA DOES HAVE ENOUGH SLOW CHARGERS AND FAST
10:20:11AM CHARGERS TO MEET OUR NEEDS UNTIL 2025.
10:20:17AM BUT AFTER THAT, WE BELIEVE THAT THE CHARGING NETWORK IS
10:20:20AM GOING TO HAVE TO BE INCREASED TO MEET FUTURE DEMAND.
10:20:24AM COUPLE OF QUICK POINTS ON SOME FUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:20:28AM FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN THE
10:20:31AM PIKE.
10:20:31AM THE IAJA, THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT WAS PASSED
10:20:37AM LAST NOVEMBER, WE EXPECT AROUND $200 MILLION OF THAT TO COME
10:20:44AM TO -- THE ELECTRIC CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG FEDERAL
10:20:49AM HIGHWAYS.
10:20:49AM THEIHJA HAD A SPECIFIC FOCUS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF
10:20:56AM TRANSPORTATION TO DEPLOY THEIR MONEY AND INFRASTRUCTURE
10:20:59AM ALONG FEDERAL HIGHWAYS OF THE BILL VISA SEE ELECTRIC
10:21:07AM CHARGER.
10:21:07AM THROUGH A SEPARATE FUNDING STREAM, THE SETTLEMENT WITH VOKES
10:21:12AM WAS VOLKSWAGEN AND EXPECT 34 CHARGING STATIONS OUT OF THAT
10:21:24AM BUCKET OF SLIDING.
10:21:26AM 95,000 AS A RAW NUMBER IS A LOT OF VEHICLES PROPORTIONATE TO
10:21:30AM ALL VEHICLE SALES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WE STILL HOVER
10:21:35AM AROUND 1% TO 2% ALL VEHICLE SALES BEING ELECTRIC.
10:21:39AM THAT NUMBER IS RISING.
10:21:40AM BUT STILL WE THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT CONTEXT TO PROVIDE
10:21:45AM WHEN PROVIDING POLICY ON THESE ISSUES.
10:21:48AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
10:21:50AM PRESIDENT NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WERE AVAILABLE.
10:21:52AM ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT WERE AVAILABLE IS INCREASING.
10:21:55AM RIGHT NOW 57 MODELS AND WE EXPECT THAT NUMBER TO ALMOST
10:22:00AM DOUBLE BY THE YEAR 2025 MAKING CONSUMER CHOICES.
10:22:08AM I WAS LOOKING TO ARE A ELECTRIC VEHICLE A COUPLE OF WEEKS
10:22:12AM AGO FOR MY FAMILY.
10:22:13AM IT IS TOUGH TO FIND.
10:22:14AM NOT ONLY ONE BECAUSE OF SUPPLY CHAIN BUT ONE THAT MEETS THE
10:22:18AM MULTITUDE OF FAMILY NEEDS.
10:22:20AM MOST MANUFACTURERS THAT YOU SEE AT THE TOP HERE HAVE SET
10:22:24AM GOALS FOR AT LEAST OF THEIR MANUFACTURING TO BE ELECTRIC BY
10:22:28AM 2030 OR 2035.
10:22:37AM NOW TO THE ACTUAL TERMINOLOGY AND POLICY.
10:22:41AM THERE ARE GENERALLY THREE TYPES OF EV POLICIES WHEN IT COMES
10:22:46AM TO MANDATING INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:22:48AM THERE IS EV READY, EV CAPABLE AND EV INSTALLED.
10:22:52AM FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PRESENTATION TODAY AND FOR THE CITY
10:22:55AM OF TAMPA, WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON EV CAPABLE AND EV INSTALLED.
10:23:00AM EV CAPABLE IS SIMPLY A TESTIFY NATION THAT REQUIRES THE
10:23:04AM BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS
10:23:08AM TO BE INSTALLED IN THE FUTURE.
10:23:09AM INCLUDES BREAKER SPACE, CONDUIT AND THE TYPE -- THE PROPER
10:23:14AM CONNECTIONS.
10:23:15AM THAT IS KIND OF ONE OF -- THE BEST MONEY SAVING APPROACHES
10:23:23AM THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TEARING UP SIDEWALKS AND PARKING LOTS
10:23:26AM AND UTILITIES AFTER THE FACT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE SO HAVING
10:23:30AM THAT CONDUIT IN PLACE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
10:23:32AM THE SECOND ONE IS EV INSTALLED THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT.
10:23:35AM THAT IS HAVING THE FULL CHARGER AVAILABLE AND READY FOR USE.
10:23:38AM THE ONE THAT KIND OF FALLS IN THE MIDDLE JUST REQUIRES SOME
10:23:41AM OF THE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE PLACED INTO THE DONE
10:23:45AM DUET AND FOR THE PLUG OUT TO BE THERE, BUT NO ACTUAL
10:23:48AM STATIONS.
10:23:48AM WE DON'T FEEL THAT IS NECESSARILY AN APPROPRIATE STEP FOR
10:23:53AM THE CITY TO CONSIDER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
10:23:56AM LOOKING AT THE CONDUIT AND THE BREAKER BOX IS WHERE WE
10:24:01AM SHOULD FOCUS.
10:24:01AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
10:24:03AM THIS IS A SLIDE THAT DEPICTS THE THREE TYPES OF CHARGING
10:24:06AM STATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
10:24:07AM LEVEL ONE CHARGERS ARE WHY YOU ARE TRADITIONAL 120 VOLT THAT
10:24:11AM YOU CAN PLUG INTO YOUR WALL IN YOUR GARAGE, YOUR HOUSE.
10:24:15AM LEVEL TWO ARE 240 VOLTS, AVAILABLE IN THE CITY GARAGES AND
10:24:22AM LEVEL 2 FAST CHARGERS, THE SUPER CHARGES THAT ARE
10:24:25AM EXTRAORDINARY EXPENSIVE TO INSTALL BUT CAN CHARGE A VEHICLE
10:24:30AM FULLY IN 20 MINUTES.
10:24:31AM GENERALLY THOSE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH TESLA SUPERCHARGING
10:24:36AM STATIONS.
10:24:36AM NEXT SLIDE.
10:24:37AM SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE ARE DOING IN THE CITY.
10:24:41AM THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP ISSUE A REPORT IN MARCH OF 2021
10:24:46AM THAT SURVEYED CURRENT EV CHARGE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
10:24:50AM THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT TEAM, ABBYE'S TEAM
10:24:58AM WILL BE TALKING OF POLICIES FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER
10:25:01AM CHANGING ORDINANCE.
10:25:03AM FTOT PRESENT A VERY INFORMATIVE EV MASTER PLAN.
10:25:08AM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL -- EXCUSE ME,
10:25:11AM FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS SEEN AS REALLY BEING
10:25:13AM THE FOREFRONT OUT OF EVERY SINGLE STATE IN TERMS OF
10:25:16AM EMBRACING AND READYING FOR EV READINESS.
10:25:20AM WE WORK CLOSELY WITH FDOT AND REALLY GOOD INFORMATION TO USE
10:25:26AM FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
10:25:26AM WE ARE MEMBERS OF DRIVE ELECTRIC FLORIDA AS A CITY.
10:25:29AM AND WE WERE LOOKING AT TOO IG TO DO A DRIVE ELECTRIC EVENT
10:25:34AM TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK WE WERE
10:25:38AM ABLE TO PULL OFF THE LOGISTICS AND LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR
10:25:42AM A DRIVE ELECTRIC EVENT NEXT YEAR IN THE CITY.
10:25:45AM VIK WILL TALK OF CITY PARKING GARAGES AND OTHER FACILITIES.
10:25:49AM I DID WANT TO -- NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE -- POINT OUT REAL QUICK
10:25:53AM WE LIKE TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:25:56AM I CHECKED THIS MORE, 35 FULLY ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE CITY
10:26:01AM OF TAMPA WITH THE PURCHASE TO -- PLANS TO PURCHASE TEN EVERY
10:26:05AM YEAR AND HAVE CITY CHARGING STATIONS.
10:26:10AM NEW HANNA PEACH WILL HAVE CHARGING STATIONS AND ELECTRICAL
10:26:13AM READINESS FOR THE PRIVATE CAR CHARGING AND FOR THE PUBLIC
10:26:17AM BEING DRIVEN IN PART DUE TO OUR LEADERSHIP, BUT ALSO BECAUSE
10:26:20AM WE ARE SEEKING LEED CERTIFICATION.
10:26:26AM AND UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME SPECIFICALLY, I WILL
10:26:29AM TURN IT OVER TO MR. BHIDE.
10:26:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS FINE
10:26:35AM PRESENTATION.
10:26:35AM JUST A REAL PROCESS.
10:26:37AM IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT YOU SEE THE
10:26:40AM AUTOMAKERS FROM 2030 ALREADY SAYING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE,
10:26:45AM TWO OR THREE DOING THAT.
10:26:46AM AND MOST DON'T GO PAST 2035 EVEN THOUGH SOME SAY 2040.
10:26:52AM SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF IN MY MIND.
10:26:54AM IT IS STILL -- YOU LOOK AT CHARGING STATIONS BY THEIR GREED,
10:26:58AM NOT LIKE A GAS STATION.
10:27:00AM YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CAR, AUTOMOBILE TO ANY GAS STATION AND
10:27:05AM FUEL UP.
10:27:06AM THE PROBLEM IS ENOUGH CHARGING STATIONS BUT BY GREED,
10:27:10AM DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLUG IN FOR CERTAIN KIND OF CARS.
10:27:14AM IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, IT WOULD BE -- BY GREED.
10:27:17AM I AM GOING TO USE THAT WORD AGAIN.
10:27:19AM THEY WANT TO STEER YOU TO ONLY THE KIND OF AUTOMOBILE THAT
10:27:23AM THEY MAKE.
10:27:24AM THAT IS A SHAME.
10:27:25AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
10:27:29AM DOES SOLAR DO ANYTHING?
10:27:31AM CAN SOLAR CHARGE ONE OF THESE STATIONS?
10:27:35AM IF IT IS.
10:27:36AM >> WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT ACTS.
10:27:39AM AND THERE ARE CONTAINERIZED SHIPS TO BE MOVED DURING
10:27:47AM EMERGENCY PRESENTATION AFTER FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION FROM
10:27:50AM FLORIDA ANTON PASIS.
10:27:52AM ELECTRIC CHARGING DURING EVACUATION IS ALWAYS A CONCERN AND
10:27:56AM CONSIDERATION.
10:27:56AM SO I THINK THE PROCESS IS EVOLVING ON THE TYPE OF CHARGING
10:28:00AM STATIONS AND THE LOCATIONS.
10:28:02AM I THINK YOU BRING UP ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT WITH REGARD TO
10:28:05AM SOLAR.
10:28:05AM RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 42% OF THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
10:28:11AM COME FROM THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR.
10:28:13AM AND TO MOVING FORWARD EVS WILL HELP US TO REDUCE OUR
10:28:20AM GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND DEPLOY SOLAR ENERGY TO
10:28:24AM ACCOMPANY THAT.
10:28:24AM THE IMPORTANT THING AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS STILL A VEHICLE
10:28:28AM AND STILL OFTEN DRIVEN BY ONE PERSON.
10:28:31AM WHILE THE STILL IS SUPPORTIVE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND
10:28:35AM TRANSITION WHICH IS AN INTERESTING ROLE TO BE IN, RIGHT.
10:28:38AM GAS STATIONS ARE PRIMARILY OPERATED AND WHAT IS THE CITY'S
10:28:41AM ROLE OF THE DEPLOYMENT OF EV INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:28:44AM SOMETHING WE ARE WRESTLING WITH AND SOMETHING WE ARE HERE TO
10:28:47AM TALK ABOUT TODAY.
10:28:48AM BUT I THINK JUST AS EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOCUSING ON ALL KIND
10:28:55AM OF TRANSIT OPTIONS.
10:28:56AM EV IS IMPORTANT AND A CAR ON THE ROAD THAT ADDS TO
10:29:00AM CONGESTION.
10:29:00AM WE ARE TRYING TO THINK OF HOLISTIC WAYS TO APPROACH OUR
10:29:04AM TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY NETWORK AND I WANTED TO ADD THAT
10:29:07AM PERSPECTIVE.
10:29:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AGAIN, THANK YOU.
10:29:09AM ONE OTHER THING IF I MAY.
10:29:11AM SOME PARKING GARAGES THAT HAVE THESE STATIONS, BUT THE
10:29:15AM PROBLEM THEY ARE FULL FROM THE SAME CARS EVERY DAY.
10:29:18AM THIS.
10:29:19AM THEY DON'T MOVE AND STAY THERE THE WHOLE DAY.
10:29:21AM SOMETHING FACILITATE.
10:29:23AM MY ELECTRIC CAR IS PARKED BECAUSE I WANT TO PARK IT.
10:29:27AM I GET IT IN OCTOBER.
10:29:28AM I DRIVE IT ONLY SIX MONTHS A YEAR.
10:29:30AM SO WHAT I AM SAYING -- CHARGING GARAGES THAT WE HAVE, WHEN
10:29:35AM WE DRIVE BY, YOU SEE THE SAME CARS FOR THE WHOLE DAY.
10:29:38AM I THINK -- MAYBE THAT CHANGES.
10:29:40AM THE LAST TIME I HAVE BEEN IN THAT GARAGE, BUT SHOULD BE A
10:29:44AM CHANGE TO THAT AND NOT RIGHT -- UNLESS THEY ARE PAYING
10:29:46AM DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE PARKING FEE.
10:29:48AM >> I WILL REFER TO MR. BHIDE ON RULES THEY WILL DEVELOP FOR
10:29:54AM THE CHARGERS.
10:29:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:29:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: THREE QUICK QUESTIONS AND I WILL THROW THEM
10:29:59AM OUT AND YOU CAN ANSWER THEM, IF YOU WANT.
10:30:01AM THE FIRST QUESTION, ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO CHANGE THE
10:30:04AM REGULATION OF THE SIZE OF PARKING SPACES.
10:30:06AM I'M HERE LUCKY -- MY COLLEAGUE WHO HAS A BEAUTIFUL ELECTRIC
10:30:11AM CAR, HE HAPPENINGS TO HAVE A VERY SMALL ONE, BUT IT STICKS
10:30:14AM OUT ON THE SIDE.
10:30:15AM AND SO THE ONE QUESTION IS, IF SOMEBODY HAS LIKE A
10:30:21AM ELECTRIC SUV OR THE LARGER ONES CHANGE THE PARKING
10:30:24AM REGULATIONS BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE STICKING OUT.
10:30:27AM NUMBER TWO, WITH THE TRACK RECORD OF THE DEPARTMENTS, AND
10:30:31AM MAINTENANCE, IS THERE -- IS THERE ANY BENEFIT FOR ADDITIONAL
10:30:36AM COST RELATED TO HAVING THESE CARS.
10:30:39AM AND THE THIRD QUESTION IS, FOR ANYBODY WHO IS LISTENING WHO
10:30:42AM IS THINKING OF BUYING A CAR AND PROBABLY CAN'T FIND THEM.
10:30:44AM DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY -- JUST FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE
10:30:48AM LOOKING AT THIS, ANY BIG LEAP IN TECHNOLOGY COMING IN THE
10:30:52AM NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS OR JUST STEADY INCREMENTAL GROWTH.
10:30:56AM >> SURE, THANKS.
10:30:58AM GREAT SET OF QUESTIONS.
10:30:59AM RESPOND TO MR. BHIDE.
10:31:05AM AND OUR DEPARTMENT AND FLEETS AND PARTS OF OUR UNIONS, THEY
10:31:08AM ABSOLUTELY LOVE THESE THINGS.
10:31:11AM NOT BECAUSE OF LESS WORK BUT GETTING NEW TRAINING ON THE
10:31:14AM ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE MAINTENANCE ON THE CITY FLEET
10:31:16AM VIDEO IS VERY, VERY LOW.
10:31:18AM AND I CAN PROBABLY GET SOME NUMBERS EXACTLY HOW MUCH MORE OR
10:31:22AM LESS TIME THEY SEE THESE VEHICLES.
10:31:25AM I KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR ANNUAL -- OR BIANNUAL MAINTENANCE
10:31:31AM SCHEDULES.
10:31:32AM BUT WE OFTEN DOCTOR THEY ARE OFTEN IN THE SHOP AND OUT VERY,
10:31:35AM VERY QUICKLY.
10:31:35AM I THINK MOST DEPARTMENTS ARE VERY RECEPTIVE ON.THE
10:31:40AM MAINTENANCE SIDE.
10:31:40AM MUCH LOWER COST THAN OVERHEAD.
10:31:43AM BEING ABLE TO FIND A CAR.
10:31:44AM I DO THINK THE TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING.
10:31:47AM I THINK IT IS PROBABLY SAFE TO GO WITH AN EV VEHICLE RIGHT
10:31:50AM NOW.
10:31:51AM I WOULD SAY BATTERIES FOR LARGE-SCALE OTHER ACTIONSES LIKE
10:31:56AM ADDING THEM IN ADDITION TO SOLAR ON YOUR HOUSE IS PROBABLY
10:32:01AM -- WE ARE PROBABLY NOT QUITE THERE ON RETURN ON INVESTMENT
10:32:05AM YET.
10:32:05AM IN THE MARKET FOR A EV.
10:32:07AM GET THIS THE NEW INFLATION REDUCTION, TAX CREDITS
10:32:11AM RESPONSIBLE EVEN FOR BUYING USED ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
10:32:15AM HOPEFULLY THAT FINANCIAL INCENTIVE WILL BE TAKEN UP BY FOLKS
10:32:18AM IN THE MARKET FOR AN EV.
10:32:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GOING TO MAKE SOME STATEMENTS, AND THEN
10:32:25AM I WILL SAVE MOST OF MY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE AND HIS
10:32:29AM PRESENTATION.
10:32:29AM FDOT HAS SAID THEY ARE NOT IN THE "BUSINESS" EVER CHARGING
10:32:38AM VEHICLES.
10:32:38AM I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT CHARGING
10:32:42AM STATIONS IN THEIR REST AREAS BECAUSE MUCH LIKE THE OLD
10:32:45AM OASISES THEY HAD THAT THE SURROUNDING CITY WOULD COMPLAIN
10:32:50AM AND SAY YOU ARE TAKING BUSINESS AWAY FROM US.
10:32:52AM PEOPLE GETTING OFF THE INTERSTATES.
10:32:54AM BUT IT -- IT IS THAT TRIP THAT I HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT
10:33:02AM WHERE I LEAVE TAMPA AND GO TO ORLANDO OR GO TO VERO BEACH OR
10:33:06AM GO TO MIAMI.
10:33:06AM BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE THAT CHARGING INTERMITTENT TAMPA.
10:33:12AM THAT WILL BE ON THE COUNTIES TO DICTATE.
10:33:16AM MY QUESTION HERE IS THIS PHONE HAS EVOLVED TEN TIMES WITHIN
10:33:20AM THE LAST TEN YEARS CHARGING STATIONS ARE GOING TO EVOLVE.
10:33:27AM OTHER THING IS ON TOP OF THE PAYMENT UNDERNEATH THE CAR, ALL
10:33:32AM YOU HAVE TO DO IS PULL IN.
10:33:33AM YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PLUG IN.
10:33:35AM AND I UNDERSTAND THE POINT.
10:33:38AM YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS NOW, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY
10:33:43AM NEEDED AND SOME SORT OF PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
10:33:48AM ALTHOUGH WE DO NEED CHARGING STATIONS, THE CITY OF TAMPA MAY
10:33:52AM NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF CHARGING CARS.
10:33:54AM THAT IS WHERE THAT PUBLIC-PRIVATE HAS TO COME IN.
10:33:57AM SOLAR.
10:34:01AM IT WILL WORK, BUT ONLY WITH BATTERY BACK-UP.
10:34:04AM WE CAN COLLECT THE ENERGY FROM THE SUN, PUT IT IN THE
10:34:12AM BATTERY AND PLUG IT IN.
10:34:13AM WIT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING THE REIS SILL LEN SEE
10:34:17AM DIRECTOR OF OUR COMMUNITY.
10:34:19AM >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:34:20AM >> THANK YOU, WIT.
10:34:23AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
10:34:24AM I WILL START BY ANSWERING THE REQUEST HE IS THAT WERE KINDLY
10:34:28AM DEFERRED TO ME.
10:34:29AM THE FIRST ONE WAS RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF PARKING SPOTS.
10:34:32AM AND OUR GARAGES AND LOTS CURRENTLY ACCOMMODATE LARGE TRUCKS,
10:34:36AM LARGE SUVs.
10:34:38AM SHOULD THE FORM FACTOR BE DRIVEN BY THE TECHNOLOGY,
10:34:43AM ELECTRIC, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WE WILL
10:34:46AM ADOPT TO THAT.
10:34:48AM BUT CURRENTLY OTHER THAN SPECIFIC KNOWN COMPLAINTS.
10:34:51AM WE DON'T HAVE THAT CHALLENGE YET BUT IF WE DO WE WILL
10:35:01AM BE NIMBLE AND ADDRESS THAT.
10:35:02AM THE PART OF THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW THAT WIT
10:35:08AM MENTIONED AND THE FUNDING AVAILABLE AND HOW IT RELATES TO
10:35:11AM THE EV MASTER PLAN THAT FDOT HAS.
10:35:14AM A CONDITION OF THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW THROUGH
10:35:17AM THE EV THROUGH THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE
10:35:22AM REQUIRES THAT STATES SEEKING FUNDING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE
10:35:28AM FUNDING DEVELOPED THEIR OWN EV MASTER PLAN.
10:35:35AM OUR COORDINATION THROUGH DRIVE ELECTRIC FLORIDA TO WORK WITH
10:35:39AM THE STATE TO DEVELOP THIS MASTER PLAN.
10:35:41AM TO THAT END, WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE POLICY AND PRACTICE.
10:35:44AM THIS ELECTRIC VEHICLE MASTER PLAN DOES ADDRESS BUSINESS
10:35:48AM MODELS AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS ARE.
10:35:55AM THESE AREN'T FLUSHED OUT.
10:35:59AM IT LOOKS WHAT YOU SUGGEST AND THOSE BUSINESS MODELS COULD BE
10:36:02AM PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
10:36:06AM THAT IS WHAT THE STATE IS LOOKING AT TO FACILITATE THE
10:36:11AM INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG HIGHWAYS BUT TO HAVE IT OPERATED BY
10:36:13AM PRIVATE PARTNERS.
10:36:14AM THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE LOOKED INTO AS WELL FOR ON-STREET
10:36:23AM AND OFF-STREET, WE SPOKE TO SEVERAL EV VENDORS AND THE
10:36:29AM MARKET ISN'T MATURE ENOUGH FOR THAT SORT OF PRIVATE
10:36:32AM PARTNERSHIP FOR THE CITY TO ENTER INTO BECAUSE IT HAS MUCH
10:36:37AM MORE UP-FRONT COST IN THE SHORT RUN.
10:36:41AM AND ONE WE REACH END OF LIFE FOR THOSE CHARGERS WE EXAMINE
10:36:47AM WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE COMMERCIALLY FOR
10:36:50AM PARTNERSHIPS.
10:36:50AM DOES IT TOUCH POINT ON OTHER TECHNOLOGY.
10:36:54AM SO I WILL TURN IT TO EV.
10:36:57AM THERE IS HYDROGEN, BUT, AGAIN, THAT IS LESS FEASIBLE THAN
10:37:02AM EVS AT THIS TIME.
10:37:03AM SO ELECTRIC VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY ARE THE CURRENT VIABLE
10:37:07AM PRODUCT MOVING FORWARD.
10:37:11AM AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT TWO THINGS.
10:37:13AM THERE IS THE SUPPLY CHAIN OR THE AVAILABILITY OF EV
10:37:23AM TECHNOLOGY THAT IS DRIVING HOW FAST WE SCALE.
10:37:25AM OTHER IS THE GRID ITSELF.
10:37:27AM IF WE EVEN HAD 10% MARKET PENETRATION OF EVs TODAY, OUR GRID
10:37:33AM WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE MUCH LESS IF YOU GO TO STATES
10:37:37AM NORTH OF FLORIDA.
10:37:37AM WHILE WE HAVE ENCOURAGING GROWTH IN EVs, CURRENTLY WE ARE AT
10:37:44AM 1%.
10:37:44AM THE EV MASTER PLAN DID A LOT OF LITERATURE REVIEW AND EVERY
10:37:50AM SOURCES AS WELL.
10:37:51AM AND EVERY INDICATION, AT BEST, WE WILL BE AT 10% MARKET
10:37:55AM PENETRATION BY 2030.
10:37:56AM BUT IT IS NOT KNOWN WHETHER THE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE WILL
10:38:00AM CATCH UP.
10:38:00AM BECAUSE VEHICLES ALONE, CARS ALONE ARE NOT THE ONLY THING
10:38:06AM THAT WILL GET ELECTRIFIED.
10:38:07AM SO WILL SHORT AIRCRAFT.
10:38:14AM SO ARE OTHER CRAFT POWERED BY GASOLINE.
10:38:21AM THESE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER.
10:38:22AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE -- OH, PREVIOUS SO SLIDE, SORRY.
10:38:28AM CURRENTLY TEN CHARGERS ACROSS OUR GARAGES THAT IS LISTED ON
10:38:33AM THE LEFT SIDE.
10:38:34AM WE CAN CHARGE UP TO 20 VEHICLES AT A TIME.
10:38:38AM UNFORTUNATELY, MORE THAN HALF OF THESE CHARGERS CURRENTLY
10:38:41AM ARE NOT WORKING BECAUSE OUR VENDOR IS IN THE PROCESS OF
10:38:46AM UPGRADES AND THAT IS TAKING SOME TIME.
10:38:48AM WE HAVE BUDGETED TO DOUBLE THE CURRENT INVENTORY OF CHARGERS
10:38:54AM THAT WE HAVE.
10:38:54AM AND WE ARE OPEN TO ADDING EVEN MORE THROUGH THE NEXT FISCAL
10:38:58AM YEAR, FY '23 AS NEEDED.
10:39:01AM AGAIN, WE ARE OPEN TO BEING NIMBLE AND FOLLOWING DEMAND.
10:39:05AM OUR CURRENT CHARGERS ARE OF HIGH DEMAND.
10:39:08AM TO THAT END, WE HAVE ALLOCATED FUNDING.
10:39:12AM LOOKING AT INSTALLING 20-PLUS EV CHARGING STATIONS THROUGH
10:39:17AM THE NEXT YEAR.
10:39:17AM AND WE ARE INITIALLY FOCUS ON GARAGES AND SURFACE LOTS.
10:39:23AM WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH DIFFERENT VENDORS TO EXPLORE
10:39:30AM ON-STREET CHARGING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
10:39:31AM IT WILL.
10:39:32AM IT WILL BE MOST VIABLE FOR ON-STREET PARKS.
10:39:37AM BECAUSE THE FAST CHARGERS ARE COSTLIER IN THE $20,000 RANGE.
10:39:41AM COMMERCIALLY ANY PARTNERSHIPS ARE NOT VIABLE AT THIS POINT.
10:39:44AM BUT WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT.
10:39:48AM AS FAR AS POLICY, RELATIVE TO THE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
10:39:57AM PENALTIES, FOR EXAMPLE.
10:39:59AM IF THERE ARE CHARGES THAT ARE PAST A CERTAIN TIME LIMITS AND
10:40:05AM THEY STILL SIT THERE NOT ALLOWING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
10:40:08AM SOMEONE ELSE TO CHARGE, THAT WILL BE A CHAPTER 15 ADDITION.
10:40:11AM WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING THOSE CODE CHANGES.
10:40:13AM WE WOULD WANT TO CORRELATE THEM ABOUT ADDITION AND EXPANSION
10:40:19AM OF OUR CAPACITY.
10:40:21AM THE OTHER IS A CHARGE FEE AND RATE PER HOUR.
10:40:25AM THAT IS PART OF OUR DISCOVERY IN WORKING WITH DIFFERENT
10:40:28AM VENDORS AND UNDERSTANDING THE STATE OF THE PRACTICE.
10:40:30AM AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER FORTHCOMING UPDATE TO CHAPTER
10:40:35AM 15 AS WELL.
10:40:36AM AND THEN FINALLY A PER SESSION CONNECTION FEE.
10:40:41AM THIS WILL LIKELY BE PREVALENT WHETHER IT IS PRIVATE OR
10:40:44AM PUBLIC EV CHARGE FACILITIES TO CHARGE BY SESSION.
10:40:50AM THAT WILL ALSO REQUIRE CHAPTER 15 CODE UPDATE THAT WE ARE
10:40:53AM LOOKING AT.
10:40:54AM AND, AGAIN, THESE CODE UPDATES WILL HAPPEN AS WE EXPAND OUR
10:41:03AM CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:41:04AM AT THIS POINT, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE.
10:41:06AM ABBYE WILL BE PRESENTING THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS.
10:41:11AM I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR LOTS OR
10:41:15AM GARAGES.
10:41:16AM THANK YOU.
10:41:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: VIK, I WAS JUST LOOKING AROUND.
10:41:20AM WHEN -- ARE YOU GOOD?
10:41:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I LIKE GAS.
10:41:24AM I LIKE GAS.
10:41:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS ONE OF SEVEN.
10:41:28AM WE GOT TWO OF SEVEN THAT LIKE ELECTRICAL CARS.
10:41:32AM AND THING IS A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.
10:41:34AM WHEN IS THE CITY GOING TO START CHARGE THE PARKING GARAGES
10:41:38AM FOR ELECTRICAL CHARGING.
10:41:41AM >>VIK BHIDE: ONCE WE DOUBLE OUR CURRENT CHARGERS, THAT WILL
10:41:45AM INCLUDE THE CHARGING COMPONENT, CHARGING AS IN CHARGING
10:41:48AM MONEY FOR VEHICLES.
10:41:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOME SORT OF APP BY THE VEHICLE THAT SAYS
10:41:52AM YOUR CAR IS CHARGED.
10:41:53AM YOU GOT TO MOVE OUT OF THAT PARKING SPACE?
10:41:57AM >>VIK BHIDE: A THIS TIME WE DO NOT KNOW THAT BUT WORKING
10:42:00AM TOWARD.
10:42:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT.
10:42:03AM PLENTY OF TIME I GO TO PUBLIC PARKING AND THE SAME CAR THERE
10:42:07AM FOUR OR FIVE.
10:42:08AM I KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DARN WELL CHARGE FOUR OR FIVE
10:42:12AM HOURS.
10:42:12AM >>VIK BHIDE: A VERY GOOD POINT AND MENTIONED THE DWELL TIME
10:42:15AM PENALTY.
10:42:16AM AND THAT PENALTY OR THAT CODE UPDATE WILL BEST BE
10:42:21AM COMPLEMENTARY TO THAT TECHNOLOGY BEING AVAILABLE.
10:42:24AM SO WE LOOK AT WHAT IS VIABLE FROM EXPANDING OUR CURRENT
10:42:30AM CHARGING CAPACITY AND BRING CODE CHANGES AT THE TIME.
10:42:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL MAKE IT VIABLE FOR
10:42:35AM ALL NORTH CAROLINA LEVELS, THESE CHARGER ALSO BE PLACED IN
10:42:38AM OTHER PLACES BESIDES PLACES LIKE HYDE PARK AND DOWNTOWN.
10:42:42AM THEY WILL BE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
10:42:44AM >>VIK BHIDE: CORRECT.
10:42:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLANS FOR THAT?
10:42:48AM >>VIK BHIDE: YES.
10:42:48AM TRACK DEMAND AND EXPAND IT TO ALL THE AREAS WHERE IS WE HAVE
10:42:53AM THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE PARKING ENTERPRISE.
10:42:55AM BUT BEYOND THAT, TO WIT'S POINT, PARTICULARLY FOR LOW INCOME
10:43:01AM AREAS CURRENTLY OUR TRANSPORTATION COST IN OUR REGION AS A
10:43:07AM PERCENTAGE OF OUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS AMONG THE HIGHEST IN
10:43:11AM THE NATION.
10:43:11AM ALMOST A QUARTER OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME BUDGET.
10:43:16AM AND THAT IS VERY HIGH AND COMPARED TO 10 TO 11% IN NEW YORK
10:43:23AM CITY WHERE THE AVERAGE IS 18%.
10:43:25AM SO IF WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE
10:43:28AM COMMUNITY FROM AN INCOME DIDN'T, THAT IS WHERE OUR FOCUS
10:43:33AM WILL BE ON MORE TRANSIT, ELECTRIC TRANSITS CERTAINLY.
10:43:37AM THOSE WILL BE EVS DOWN THE ROAD.
10:43:39AM AND FIRST MILE, LAST MILE OPPORTUNITIES.
10:43:42AM AND WORKING WITH OUR PLANNING FOLKS TO BRING SERVICES CLOSER
10:43:46AM TO NEIGHBORHOODS TO REDUCE THOSE TRIP LENGTHS.
10:43:49AM BECAUSE EVEN TODAY, 25% OF ALL TRIPS ARE UNDER TWO MILES.
10:43:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:43:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:43:56AM I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND ALL FACTUAL.
10:43:59AM I THINK YOU WILL SEE REAL CHANGES IN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE
10:44:03AM COMPONENTS.
10:44:03AM FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE NOT INTEGRATED.
10:44:06AM WE ARE SEGREGATED BY DIFFERENT THINGS AND DIFFERENT IDEALISM
10:44:09AM AND DIFFERENT INVENTIONS.
10:44:11AM THERE ARE CARS NOW IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT COST LESS THAN --
10:44:14AM AT BASE AT $45,000 MINUS 7500 THAT GIVE YOU 450 MILES.
10:44:21AM THEY ARE GORGEOUS.
10:44:21AM THEY LOOK LIKE THE BIG T.
10:44:24AM AND THIS ONE MORE THAN LIKELY FROM WHAT I HEARD CAN
10:44:27AM OUTPERFORM THOSE AT HALF THE COST.
10:44:29AM HOWEVER, I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN.
10:44:31AM IF WE WAIT A LITTLE LONGER, I THINK THE PRICES OF THEM WILL
10:44:34AM COME DOWN DUE TO THE BATTERIES.
10:44:36AM EVERY WEEK THERE IS A NEW BATTERY COMING OUT OF SOME SORT
10:44:41AM MADE WITH DIFFERENT THINGS SO THE ENVIRONMENT WON'T BE AS
10:44:45AM HURT AS IT HAS IN THE PAST AND THEY ARE MAKING ALL THESE
10:44:48AM CHANGES TO COME UP WITH A COMPONENT.
10:44:49AM YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GOING TO TAKE OVER
10:44:52AM THE ELECTRIC CAR AND THAN IS HYDROGEN.
10:44:56AM WHEN TOYOTA, THE LARGEST CARMAKER IN THE WORLD HAS BEEN
10:45:00AM HESITANT TO SOME DEGREE AND GOING STRAIGHT, ELECTRIC, THEY
10:45:03AM ARE ALREADY HAVING COMPONENT WITH THE HYDROGEN CAR.
10:45:06AM WHEN THAT COST IS BROUGHT DOWN TO SOMETHING, YOU CAN CHARGE
10:45:11AM A SEMI WHICH TAKES LESS THAN A MINUTE OR TWO MINUTES FROM
10:45:13AM HERE TO NEW YORK CITY WITHOUT MAKING ONE STOP AND CARRYING
10:45:17AM ITS LOAD ON HYDROGEN.
10:45:19AM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING.
10:45:21AM I THINK THE BATTERIES WILL ALSO IMPROVE.
10:45:24AM WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A TRIP FOR 400 MILES WITHOUT CHARGING --
10:45:28AM WITHOUT EVER FEAR YOU WILL RUN OUT.
10:45:31AM THE ONE I HAVE CAN GO 238.
10:45:34AM I SAY 240.
10:45:35AM BUT THERE ARE OTHERS COMING OUT THAT RIGHT NOW GO 300, 310,
10:45:40AM 340 WITH NO PROBLEM.
10:45:41AM YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING AS A ONE-WAY, HOW FAR YOU CAN GO AND
10:45:47AM YOU FEEL GREAT.
10:45:48AM YOU LOOK AT THAT NEEDING AND DOWN TO TEN MILES AND THE
10:45:51AM CHARGER IS EIGHT MILES AWAY, AM I GOING TO MAKE IT OR NOT?
10:45:55AM BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT IN THE CAR.
10:45:57AM THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HESITANT ON THE PUBLIC'S SIDE OF
10:46:00AM DOING THOSE THINGS.
10:46:00AM BUT ONCE THEY CATCH ON.
10:46:03AM AND IF YOU WANT SPEED, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MAKE
10:46:07AM A CAR THAT GOES A QUARTER OF A MILE IN 1.9 SECONDS.
10:46:14AM YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON THE ROAD AND WHY MAKE IT.
10:46:17AM IT IS A SELLING POINT AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO FAST.
10:46:20AM THESE CARS HAVE A PICK-UP AND MOVE FAST AND THEY POP YOUR
10:46:24AM NECK WHEN YOU HIT IT.
10:46:26AM THESE ARE THINGS THAT TPD -- YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THEM, BUT
10:46:30AM NOT GOING TO HEAR THEM.
10:46:31AM THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY SO
10:46:34AM PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A CAR COMING?
10:46:36AM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM.
10:46:38AM YOU JUST -- YOU JUST DON'T HEAR THEM.
10:46:40AM >>VIK BHIDE: THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.
10:46:44AM THESE ARE CHALLENGES NATIONALLY THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
10:46:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:46:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THERE IS
10:46:51AM AN ELECTRIC VIDEO THAT WILL GO 0 TO 60 IN TWO SECONDS.
10:46:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU KEEP DRIVING, I AM NOT.
10:46:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL STICK WITH MY LITTLE SMALL ONE.
10:47:01AM THANK YOU, VIK.
10:47:03AM >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU.
10:47:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:47:09AM ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF COMMUNITY AND GROWTH
10:47:15AM MANAGEMENT.
10:47:15AM TALK TO YOU ON THE POLICY SIDE OF IT AND WRAP UP OUR
10:47:18AM PRESENTATION.
10:47:18AM IT HAS BEEN AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH WIT AND VIK
10:47:23AM AND LOOK AT THIS FROM A VERY INTEGRATED POLICY DIDN'T.
10:47:28AM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CURRENTLY CHAPTER 27, DOES NOT
10:47:31AM CURRENTLY REQUIRE REVISION OF EV PARKING SPACES AS PART OF A
10:47:36AM PROJECT'S PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
10:47:38AM THAT INCLUDES EITHER EV READY OR EV INSTALLED SPACES.
10:47:43AM MOTION THAT WAS MADE RELATED TO THIS TOPIC ASKED US TO LOOK
10:47:47AM AT THE CITY OF ORLANDO, CORAL GABLES AND THE CITY OF ST.
10:47:51AM PETERSBURG.
10:47:51AM AND I DO HAVE SOME TABLES FOR YOU ON THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
10:47:54AM THE PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS -- WE WILL TALK FOR CITY
10:47:59AM COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THIS MORNING.
10:47:59AM AND IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH CODE CHANGES, THOSE WILL GO
10:48:03AM INTO THAT YOU ARE JANUARY CYCLE.
10:48:04AM SO IN RELATION TO THE CITY OF ORLANDO, THE NEXT SLIDE, THEY
10:48:09AM DO ALSO LOOK AT EV-CAPABLE AND EV-INSTALLED.
10:48:14AM AND THEY REQUIRE 20% FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE
10:48:20AM MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECTS, GENERAL MULTIFAMILY, HOTEL AND
10:48:27AM ALL THEIR PARKING.
10:48:28AM AND NONRESIDENTIAL, 10% EV CAPABLE AND INDUSTRIAL.
10:48:36AM THAT IS EV CAPABLE, WHAT VIK SHOWED YOU AT THE BEGINNING.
10:48:41AM THE STUB OUT.
10:48:42AM THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:48:42AM THE MOST COSTLY.
10:48:44AM WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING THE PROJECT, THAT IS THE TIME TO DO IT
10:48:47AM SO YOU ARE NOT THEN RIPPING THINGS UP AND TRYING TO GO BACK.
10:48:50AM THESE DO FUNCTION IN ADDITION TO THE PRESENTATION, I HAVE
10:48:53AM BEEN MEETING WITH JC FROM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL STAT WHAT
10:48:57AM THIS MEANS IN TERMS OF PERMITS AND THESE ARE PUT ON SEPARATE
10:49:01AM SYSTEMS THAN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
10:49:03AM THEY HAVE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF EV INSTALLED AND THEY KICK
10:49:07AM IN ONCE YOU GET TO CERTAIN THRESHOLD NUMBER OF SPACES AND
10:49:10AM YOU CAN SEE THOSE THERE.
10:49:11AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
10:49:14AM CORAL GABLES STARTED OFF WITH AN ORIGINAL CODE AND REVISED
10:49:18AM THE CODE.
10:49:18AM THEY STARTED OUT WITH A 20 SPACE TRIGGER.
10:49:21AM AND HAD PERCENTAGES.
10:49:23AM AND THAT WAS FOR ALL PROJECTS OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL,
10:49:31AM DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES.
10:49:33AM ANYTHING MULTIFAMILY AND EVERYTHING NON RESI WERE THOSE
10:49:37AM REQUIREMENTS.
10:49:37AM THEY STARTED AT 2% PER 20 SPACES INSTALLED.
10:49:41AM 3% PER 20 SPACES READY.
10:49:44AM AND 15% PER 20 SPACES CAPABLE.
10:49:47AM AND NOW THEY HAVE MOVED TO A MORE AGGRESSIVE STANDARD, THIS
10:49:55AM IS NOW BASED ON TEN -- ANY PROJECT WITH TEN SPACES OR MORE
10:49:58AM AND THIS IS 5% INSTALLED, 20% READY, 20% CAPABLE AND YOU
10:50:05AM HAVE TO LEAVE OUT EVERYTHING THAT IS LEFT.
10:50:06AM THAT IS KIND OF THE OTHER EXTREME TO THE SPECTRUM.
10:50:10AM NEXT SLIDE.
10:50:15AM THIS IS ST. PETERSBURG.
10:50:16AM THE CITY OF ST. PETE, ONLY IF YOU HAVE A PARKING GARAGE, IF
10:50:21AM YOU HAVE A PARKING GARAGE ASSOCIATE WITH YOUR PROJECT, THEY
10:50:25AM HAVE A EV READY STANDARD OF 15% FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT HAS A
10:50:28AM PARKING GARAGE 20% EV READY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL THAT HAS A
10:50:36AM PARKING STRUCTURE.
10:50:37AM AND THEY DO HAVE A EV SE READY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND
10:50:46AM A EVSE-INSTALLED FOR THE NONRESIDENTIAL.
10:50:48AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
10:50:50AM OOPS, THANK YOU.
10:50:51AM AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR
10:50:54AM CONSIDERATION.
10:50:56AM THEN I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON
10:50:59AM HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THIS TOPIC.
10:51:01AM WE WOULD SUGGEST AMENDING OUR DEFINITIONS IN OUR LAND
10:51:06AM DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BE SURE WE HAVE AN EV CAPABLE AND EV
10:51:12AM INSTALLED DEFINITION THAT THE CODE DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE
10:51:14AM AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT OVER 50 SPACES
10:51:20AM WE REQUIRE 5% BE OVER EV CAPABLE.
10:51:23AM SO ON 100-SPACE PROJECT, THAT WILL GIVE YOU FIVE SPACES.
10:51:27AM THAT WILL BE EV CAPABLE.
10:51:29AM AND THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE MARKET TO DRIVE WHEN THOSE
10:51:33AM CHARGERS WOULD, IN FACT, GO INTO PLAY.
10:51:36AM SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION THIS MORNING RELATED TO
10:51:41AM THE POLICY ASPECT.
10:51:42AM I AM OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND ANY QUESTIONS AND DIRECTION
10:51:45AM THAT YOU MAY LIKE TO MAKE IN RELATION TO THE LAND
10:51:49AM DEVELOPMENT CODE AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
10:51:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
10:52:02AM ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
10:52:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE ANY.
10:52:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS?
10:52:09AM THANK YOU.
10:52:10AM I AM HANDING THE GAVEL TO YOU.
10:52:11AM MISS FEELEY, I AM LIKING WHAT I AM SEEING HERE.
10:52:14AM I WOULD LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE.
10:52:17AM I WILL ASK YOUR DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE
10:52:20AM STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:52:21AM WE HAVE -- YOU ARE NOT HAVING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS NOW FOR
10:52:24AM ON-STREET PARKING CHARGERS?
10:52:29AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THIS IS ONLY FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
10:52:32AM THE PUBLIC REALM AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FALLS UNDER THE
10:52:37AM JURISDICTION OF MOBILITY.
10:52:38AM THIS WILL NOT BE ON THE STREETS BUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT
10:52:41AM THE CITY SEE WITH 50 SPACES OR MORE.
10:52:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS FEELEY, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PROCEED
10:52:47AM WITH THE HOUSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:52:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL SECOND THAT.
10:52:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND I AM HOPING THAT VIK CAN RETURN TO US
10:52:53AM SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE TO TALK ABOUT ON-STREET PARKING.
10:52:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO AND A
10:52:58AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:53:00AM ANY DISCUSSION?
10:53:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION?
10:53:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:53:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY I MISSED THIS.
10:53:07AM IT YOU THIS APPLY TO NEW ACTIONSES FOR --
10:53:10AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ONLY NEW DEVELOPMENT, YES, SIR.
10:53:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: TOME MAKE SURE WE DON'T SCARE ANYBODY.
10:53:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO.
10:53:17AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:53:19AM ALL IN FAVOR.
10:53:20AM OPPOSED.
10:53:21AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:53:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:53:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:53:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN.
10:53:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GUDES A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE --
10:53:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FORGIVE ME, IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO
10:53:37AM SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE SUBJECT IS.
10:53:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL MAKE THE MOTION AT THE END.
10:53:41AM ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:53:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.
10:53:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS SAYING THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE
10:53:49AM ARE PROBABLY NOT FOR EV CHARGING.
10:53:52AM AND I WAS TALKING TO OUR CLERK EARLIER AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE
10:53:57AM PERSON WHO WANTS TO CALL IN AND MAKE A -- PLEASE, COUNCILMAN
10:54:02AM GUDES.
10:54:02AM PLEASE PROCEED.
10:54:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:54:05AM I LOOK AT THE NEXT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I AM KIND OF UPSET A
10:54:09AM LITTLE BIT.
10:54:10AM THIS COUNCIL HAD MADE PROVISIONS TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED
10:54:13AM MEETING TO DEAL WITH ALL CHARTER ISSUES.
10:54:15AM IT IS GOING ON 11:00.
10:54:16AM I HAVE AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD TURKEYS ON HERE.
10:54:19AM WE HAD THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
10:54:21AM WE HAD EVs WHICH IS ALL GOOD ITEMS.
10:54:25AM BUT IN THE WRONG PLACE.
10:54:26AM WE HAVE SET AN ASSIGNED SCHEDULE.
10:54:32AM WE HAD APPOINT A PERSON TO DO A WORKSHOP THAT WE WERE
10:54:35AM APPARENTLY PAYING TO DO.
10:54:36AM AND WE GOT AWAY I FROM THE SCHEDULE.
10:54:38AM WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
10:54:41AM THIS IS THE CHARTER.
10:54:42AM WE NEED TO HAVE THAT SPECIAL CALLED MEETING TO DEAL WITH ALL
10:54:45AM THE CHARTER ISSUE BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST TWO.
10:54:48AM APPOINTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH BECAUSE OF THE
10:54:51AM INTERPRETATION AND VERBIAGE.
10:54:52AM BOARD INTERPRETATION -- MISS HURTAK, YOU WERE PART OF THE
10:54:56AM CHARTER REVIEW AND YOU AND ME LOOKED TOGETHER WHEN TALKING
10:54:59AM OF THE BOARDS AS YOU RECALL.
10:55:02AM THAT IS NOT KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND IT WENT ON.
10:55:05AM YOU KNOW, WE HAD CITIZENS WHO CAME HERE TO TALK OF THE 49
10:55:09AM YEARS -- BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE ISSUES THAT ARISE ON
10:55:11AM EVERYTHING, YOU HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES SOMETIMES.
10:55:14AM IT HAS BEEN -- IT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING THING WITH THE CHARTER
10:55:19AM REVIEW, PEOPLE HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS AND THINGS HAVE KIND OF
10:55:21AM GOT FLUSTERED AND AWRY.
10:55:23AM AND THINGS NEED TO BE CHANGED OR LOOKED AT.
10:55:25AM I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT IT NEEDS TO IT BE -- GO BACK TO THE
10:55:30AM ORIGINAL PLAN WITH THE PERSON THAT WAS GOING TO DO THE
10:55:33AM CHARTER REVIEW WORKSHOP AND THOUGH ITEMS THAT MR. SHELBY --
10:55:37AM I THINK YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO ITEMS WRITTEN DOWN FOR
10:55:40AM DISCUSSION, AM I RIGHT, SIR?
10:55:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS RIGHT, SIR.
10:55:43AM IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, YES, THERE WAS OTHER ITEMS OTHER
10:55:48AM THAN WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA, THAT IS TRUE.
10:55:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T WANT TO ENTERTAIN OTHER PEOPLE'S
10:55:53AM OPINION, BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED FOR THE SPECIAL
10:55:56AM CALLED MEETING TO DEAL WITH ALL THE CHARTER ISSUES.
10:55:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:56:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY.
10:56:08AM I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
10:56:10AM I WAS REALLY HOPING FOR A -- FOR A FACILITATOR.
10:56:15AM AND I WOULD BE -- I WOULD BE HAPPY IF YOU WANTED TO
10:56:18AM ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR A SPECIAL CALL.
10:56:20AM I WOULD 100% BE THERE.
10:56:22AM I WAS ALREADY GOING TO BRING IT UP FOR SOME OF THE ISSUESES
10:56:25AM THAT ARE ON THIS AGENDA.
10:56:27AM AND SO I -- I DISAGREE THAT THIS IS -- THAT THIS ONLY
10:56:33AM HAPPENS EVERY TEN YEARS.
10:56:34AM JUST FOR THE FACT CAN THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR 42, 43 YEARS
10:56:39AM IS -- YOU KNOW, IT IS A FAULT OF THE CITY BACK THEN, BUT
10:56:45AM JUST SAYING THAT WE CAN ONLY REVIEW THIS EVERY TEN YEARS BY
10:56:49AM CITIZENS IS NOT TRUE.
10:56:50AM WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
10:56:53AM THIS IS OUR JOB.
10:56:53AM WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT ANYTHING THAT WE DEEM IMPORTANT.
10:56:59AM WE CAN'T DO IT OURSELVES.
10:57:00AM WE CAN'T JUST SAY UNILATERALLY THIS IS GOING TO BE IT.
10:57:04AM BUT WE PUT IT TO THE VOTERS.
10:57:06AM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO AS A BODY.
10:57:08AM SO I -- WHILE I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY,
10:57:14AM I -- I ABSOLUTELY THINK.
10:57:16AM IF WE HAVE A 20-QUESTION BALLOT.
10:57:19AM WE HAVE A 20-QUESTION BALLOT.
10:57:21AM IF -- IF WE HAVE VOTERS BRINGING THINGS TO US SAYING, HEY,
10:57:25AM THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE
10:57:28AM AS A BODY, CANNOT I AGREE HE ON SOMETHING.
10:57:31AM FOLKS ARE STARTING TO GO AROUND AND ASKING FOR IT TO BE PUT
10:57:34AM ON THE BALLOT.
10:57:34AM IT'S -- I DON'T DISAGREE.
10:57:39AM I WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE SPECIAL CALL, BUT I ALSO THINK
10:57:42AM THAT WE CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT CRB TODAY.
10:57:48AM BUT MAYBE THE OTHERS HOLD OFF ON, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO.
10:57:51AM I STILL THINK A DISCUSSION DOESN'T HURT TO HELP -- I THINK
10:57:55AM ALSO WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE TODAY ARE IDEAS THROWN OUT FOR
10:57:59AM OTHER THINGS THAT PARTICULAR COUNCILMEMBERS WANTS TO
10:58:01AM DISCUSS.
10:58:01AM BECAUSE I WAS TOLD TODAY TO BRING ISSUES THAT I WANTED TO
10:58:05AM DISCUSS.
10:58:05AM AND MAYBE IF WE HAD MORE -- OR MAYBE MARTY CAN COME US TO
10:58:11AM INDIVIDUALLY TO DISCUSS WHAT TYPES OF THINGS WE WANT TO PUT
10:58:15AM ON THIS DISCUSSION SO WHEN WE HAVE A FACILITATOR, THAT
10:58:20AM PERSON CAN GO IN AN ORDER.
10:58:21AM BUT I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
10:58:24AM WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AND PART OF OUR JOB.
10:58:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES THAT BECAUSE
10:58:37AM THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO TALK OF CHARTERS, IF WE ADDED
10:58:40AM SOMETHING, WHICH I DISAGREED WITH WHEN WE PROPOSED THEM.
10:58:44AM SHOULD HAVE ADDED THEM AT THE END, NOT AT THE BEGINNING.
10:58:47AM WHETHER THAT WAS DONE ACCIDENTALLY OR ON PURPOSE, I WISH WE
10:58:51AM COULD HAVE FOCUSED ON THESE THINGS.
10:58:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DEFINE ACCIDENTALLY OR ON PURPOSE, PLEASE.
10:58:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE KNOW ADMINISTRATION HELPS SET THE AGENDA
10:59:00AM AND YOU DO TOO.
10:59:01AM THE ADMINISTRATION -- AND THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANT THIS
10:59:06AM MEETING.
10:59:06AM THEY DELAYED THE OTHER DISCUSSION SO WE COULDN'T TALK ABOUT
10:59:09AM THEM.
10:59:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUITE AN ACCUSATION, BUT PLEASE PROCEED.
10:59:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: WELL, IT'S -- IT'S -- ANYBODY CAN LOOK AT
10:59:18AM THE RECORD.
10:59:18AM I WILL SAY WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR ON THAT POINT.
10:59:21AM THE ADMINISTRATION AND CITY ATTORNEY OFTEN TELL US WE NEED
10:59:24AM TO WORRY OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS AND THE STRONG MAYOR
10:59:28AM FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
10:59:28AM I WOULD SAY IT WORKS BOTH WAYS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS
10:59:31AM TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE LIMITED POWER OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:59:34AM STRONG MAYOR ONLY MEANS -- AS MR. SHAW DEFINES US TO AND BY
10:59:38AM LAW, THE STRONG MAYOR MEANS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T SIT ON
10:59:44AM CITY COUNCIL AND A DICTATORSHIP LIKE WE HAVE SEEN IN THE
10:59:46AM PAST AND DOESN'T MEAN THAT A MAYOR CAN DO WHATEVER THEY
10:59:49AM WANT.
10:59:49AM A LOT OF LOBBYING.
10:59:50AM THE MAYOR SET OUT A STATEMENT EARLIER THAT THE MAYOR'S
10:59:54AM OFFICE HAS RALLIED PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO COME TO TALK
10:59:57AM TO US, SENDS USES LETTERS.
10:59:59AM THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT I WILL SAY AS MUCH AS
11:00:01AM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ASK US TO RESPECT THE SEPARATION OF
11:00:06AM POWERS, THEY RESPECT OUR POWERS AND ALLOW US TO MAKE THE
11:00:09AM DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
11:00:10AM IN TERMS OF THE TIMING OF THIS, NOT ALL THE FAULT IS ON THE
11:00:14AM ADMINISTRATION.
11:00:14AM OTHER REASONS WHY WE DELAYED THE DISCUSSION, BUT MISSED THE
11:00:18AM FALL VOTING WINDOW.
11:00:19AM AND NOW WE ARE AT RISK OF RISKING MARCH.
11:00:23AM MY FEAR OF DELAYING IT, AND CONTINUE TO PUSH IT OUT AND FIND
11:00:27AM OTHER EXCUSES IF THE FACILITATOR IS NOT AVAILABLE OR
11:00:31AM SOMEBODY IS OFF STICK.
11:00:32AM I WOULD RATHER GO TODAY.
11:00:34AM IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH TODAY, I DON'T THINK WE
11:00:37AM SHOULD GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST BECAUSE WE SET EXPECTATIONS
11:00:40AM IN THE PUBLIC.
11:00:40AM WE SHOULD EITHER GO TODAY.
11:00:42AM AND I HAVE A PROCESS THAT I SUGGEST WE USE TODAY.
11:00:44AM IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO TODAY, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
11:00:47AM SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND JUST DEFER IT AND SET UP THE
11:00:51AM SCHEDULE.
11:00:51AM FURTHER TO COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK'S POINT AND THE CHARTER SAYS
11:00:58AM SECTION 10.10, A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
11:01:00AM WE SET THAT UP WHILE WE WERE ON CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND
11:01:04AM 10.11 WHICH IS EQUAL IN THE CHARTER THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN
11:01:07AM PUT ANYTHING ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WHENEVER WE WANT.
11:01:10AM I SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WITH YOU ALL.
11:01:12AM AND HAVING SAT ON -- ON THE CITY COUNCIL NOW FOR THREE AND A
11:01:16AM HALF YEARS, I SEE A LOT OF IMPERFECTIONS IN THE CHARTER.
11:01:20AM CONTRARY TO STATEMENTS PUSHED OUT BY THE ADMINISTRATION, IT
11:01:25AM IS NOT ANTI-BUSINESS.
11:01:25AM IT IS NOT ANTI-STABILITY.
11:01:27AM NOT A THREAT TO THE STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
11:01:30AM THERE ARE JUST LOOPHOLES WE NEED TO FIX.
11:01:33AM I HAVE A LIST OF CHANGES I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE.
11:01:36AM I WILL HAND THIS OUT AS THE FINAL WORD.
11:01:38AM THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT WILL I WOULD SUGGEST IN TERMS OF A
11:01:42AM PROCESS -- YEAH.
11:01:44AM PROPOSAL I WILL MAKE IN TERMS OF A PROCESS WHETHER WE DO IT
11:01:50AM NOW OR ANOTHER TIME.
11:01:51AM I THINK THIS SHOULD NOT BE A LONG, LONG -- WE CAN HAVE A
11:01:54AM LONG DISCUSSION IF YOU WANT ABOUT ANY OF THESE, BUT WHAT I
11:01:57AM WOULD SUGGESTS THAT EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER GO THROUGH THE
11:02:00AM LIST OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS ONE BY ONE.
11:02:02AM AS THEY PROPOSE EACH ONE, THEN COUNCIL WILL DISCUSS -- AND
11:02:06AM THE CHAIR CAN LEAD THAT DISCUSSION.
11:02:07AM AND LET EACH PERSON TALK IF THEY WANT.
11:02:10AM AND AT THAT POINT, IF WE WANT TO LET THE COMMUNITY WEIGH IN,
11:02:14AM WE CAN.
11:02:14AM AND THE NEXT POINT WOULD BE TO -- FOLLOWING DISCUSSION, A --
11:02:20AM A -- THE CITY, THE PROPOSING COUNCILMEMBER COULD MAKE A
11:02:24AM MOTION AND THE MOTION WOULD BE -- THE CITY STAFF DOESN'T
11:02:27AM HAVE TIME TO REVIEW ALL OF THESE.
11:02:29AM SO WE WILL ASK THEM TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO REVIEW AND
11:02:33AM EDIT THEM TO MAKE THEM SUFFICIENT AS A PROPOSAL FOR THE --
11:02:36AM FOR THE CHARTER.
11:02:37AM AND THEN THEY WILL PRESENT IT BACK -- IF WE GO TODAY,
11:02:41AM PRESENT IT BACK ON NOVEMBER 3 TO HAVE TIME TO PUT IT ON THE
11:02:44AM BALLOT BEFORE MARCH AND WHATEVER THE DEADLINE IS THERE.
11:02:47AM BUT THE FOURTH POINT I WILL MAKE AND SOMETHING TRUE WHEN WE
11:02:51AM WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND FOR CITY COUNCIL
11:02:53AM THEREAFTER.
11:02:54AM PROPOSED BY MIKE SUAREZ.
11:02:56AM WE SHOULDN'T -- EVEN TECHNICALLY WE COULD LET SOMETHING
11:03:00AM ADVANCE WITH FOUR VOTES.
11:03:01AM WE SHOULD ONLY LET SOMETHING ADVANCE FOR FIVE VOTES.
11:03:05AM IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE VOTES, THE MAYOR WILL VETO IT.
11:03:08AM THE MAYOR ALREADY SAID IN A STATEMENT SHE IS AGAINST ANY
11:03:11AM CHANGES.
11:03:11AM IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE VOTES, IT JUST FAILS.
11:03:15AM I PROPOSE IN MY SUGGESTIONS WHETHER WE GO THROUGH IT TODAY
11:03:17AM OR LATER.
11:03:18AM I WILL READ THEM.
11:03:19AM YOU CAN COMMENT ON IT.
11:03:20AM WE VOTE.
11:03:21AM IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE VOTES, IT IS DEAD.
11:03:24AM IF IT PASS IT IS COMES TO NOVEMBER 3.
11:03:27AM IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE VOTES AGAIN, THEN IT DIES AS WELL.
11:03:31AM THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL.
11:03:32AM THANK YOU.
11:03:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:03:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM NOT HERE TO REALIZE
11:03:39AM WHAT IS HAPPENING.
11:03:39AM WHAT I SEE FROM WHAT I REMEMBER -- AND I WILL ASK LATER ON
11:03:43AM TO GET THE VOTES AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CHARTER REVIEW
11:03:45AM COMMITTEE.
11:03:46AM I CERTAINLY WASN'T PART OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE
11:03:49AM ITSELF.
11:03:49AM I WAS ONE OF THE VOTES THAT HELPED CREATE IT AT THAT TIME,
11:03:54AM IF I SEE HERE -- MAYBE I AM COUNTING WRONG.
11:03:56AM I AM NOT BEING APOLOGETIC.
11:03:58AM WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT SAT ON THE CHARTER
11:04:01AM REVIEW.
11:04:02AM WE HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY WHO SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW.
11:04:06AM AM I CORRECT.
11:04:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TWO.
11:04:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE
11:04:10AM CHARTER REVIEW.
11:04:11AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VOTES WENT.
11:04:14AM I CAN'T REMEMBER BECAUSE I WASN'T A PART OF YOU GUYS.
11:04:16AM I REMEMBER THAT YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER IT WAS A
11:04:22AM SIX, EIGHT VOTES, 12 VOTES.
11:04:25AM I WOULD LIKE TO GET A COMPLETE ORDER OF VOTES THAT WERE CAST
11:04:29AM ON EACH AND EVERY ITEM THAT CAME BEFORE THE CHARTER VERY
11:04:32AM VIEW BEFORE I DO ANYTHING REGARDING.
11:04:35AM BECAUSE THE FOUR MEMBERS THAT SIT ON THIS COUNCIL VOTED
11:04:38AM UNANIMOUSLY WITH THE OTHER GROUP, THEN WHY THE CHANGE NOW.
11:04:41AM I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
11:04:44AM I TRUST EVERYONE, BUT I TRY TO VERIFY EVERYTHING.
11:04:48AM SO THERE IS WHERE I HAVE A CONFLICT WITH MYSELF.
11:04:51AM I TRUST YOU ALL.
11:04:53AM I DON'T WANT TO -- BUT I WANT TO VERIFY MY FACTS FOR ME SO I
11:04:58AM CAN INTELLIGENTLY, MAYBE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW
11:05:01AM YOU ALL VOTED ON THAT REVIEW.
11:05:03AM I DON'T HAVE THOSE RECORDS.
11:05:04AM SO I AM ASKING FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW, IF THEY HAVE THE
11:05:07AM MINUTES, ON EVERY VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN WHAT THE VOTE WAS.
11:05:11AM AND IF IT WAS -- I FORGET HOW MANY MEMBERS.
11:05:15AM I KNOW SOME NUMBER THAT WAS LARGER THAN SEVEN.
11:05:17AM SO THAT IS WHAT I NEED.
11:05:20AM I MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.
11:05:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
11:05:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:05:28AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:05:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: DISCUSSION.
11:05:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY DISCUSSION?
11:05:35AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: DISCUSSION.
11:05:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:05:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM RESPECTING WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS
11:05:44AM EXPECTING TO DO.
11:05:44AM VOTES TAKEN AND THINGS PASS AND THINGS FAIL.
11:05:47AM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU AS A PERSON SITTING ON THE
11:05:50AM COUNCIL.
11:05:50AM FLAWS ON THE CHARTER THAT THIS REVIEW COMMISSION DID NOT SEE
11:05:56AM OR DID NOT KNOW.
11:05:57AM THAT IS THE REASON IN COUNCILMEMBERS ARE ASKING TO BE LOOKED
11:06:00AM AT.
11:06:01AM YES, A COMMISSION.
11:06:02AM AND DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CHARTER.
11:06:04AM WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CHARTER.
11:06:07AM AGAIN VOTES WERE TAKEN, BUT SITTING AS A MEMBER OF THIS
11:06:10AM COUNCIL NOW, I SEE FLAWS I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT, I DID NOT
11:06:14AM UNDERSTAND OF AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
11:06:15AM NOW SIT ON THIS COUNCIL, I SEE ISSUES OF INTERPRETATION AT
11:06:19AM TIMES.
11:06:19AM I SEE ISSUES THAT CONTRADICT ONE ANOTHER OF ANOTHER OFFERED
11:06:25AM NANCE AND STATUTE IN OUR CHARTER AND NEED TO BE LOOKED UPON,
11:06:28AM SIR.
11:06:29AM THAT IS THE REASON.
11:06:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE IT.
11:06:31AM MAY I AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE HOW LONG THE COMMISSION
11:06:38AM CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD MET AND HOW MANY TIMES AND WE
11:06:41AM UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DID.
11:06:42AM ANY TIME IN THE DISCUSSION IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT
11:06:46AM WAS BROUGHT UP THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE CHARTER.
11:06:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
11:06:51AM SECOND THE MOTION.
11:06:52AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:06:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I JUST -- I JUST WANT TO SAY AS A
11:07:00AM MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE, OUT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I HAVE
11:07:04AM MAYBE ONE OF THEM WAS DISCUSSED AT THE CHARTER REVIEW --
11:07:08AM THESE ARE ALL NEW THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:07:10AM NEW THINGS THAT I DISCOVERED HOW THAT ACTING ON CITY
11:07:14AM COUNCIL.
11:07:14AM AND AS I SAID BEFORE, NOTHING THAT I AM PROPOSING WILL WORK
11:07:18AM AGAINST A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
11:07:20AM NOTHING WILL DISRUPT BUSINESS.
11:07:22AM NOTHING TO DISRUPT THE ECONOMY.
11:07:24AM SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T WANT CHANGE IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:07:27AM AS YOU LOOK AT THE DISCUSSIONS, THEY WERE VERY GOOD
11:07:30AM DISCUSSIONS; HOWEVER, I WILL ALSO TELL YOU, WE SET A -- WE
11:07:35AM SET TWO PROCESSES AT THE BEGINNING WITH THE FACILITATOR.
11:07:39AM NUMBER ONE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A CHAIR SO NO REAL LEADERSHIP
11:07:43AM OF IT.
11:07:43AM NUMBER TWO, NINE MEMBERS -- WE SAID WE HAVE TO HAVE A
11:07:47AM SUPERMAJORITY WHICH IS SIX TO APPROVE ANYTHING.
11:07:49AM AND THE FORMER MAYOR HAD ENOUGH VOTES EITHER DIRECTLY OR
11:07:56AM INDIRECTLY THAT ANYTHING HE DIDN'T LIKE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD.
11:07:59AM THERE WERE A LOT OF -- I AM NOT PROPOSING THOSE.
11:08:02AM NEW THINGS THAT POPPED UP THAT NEED NOBODY TWEAKED.
11:08:05AM NOT ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE OFFENSIVE TO ANYBODY.
11:08:09AM BUT JUST TWEAK IT SO IT WORKS FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:08:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT.
11:08:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE FIRST.
11:08:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AMEND THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS APPOINTED BY
11:08:24AM THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR WANT A COMPLETEDOWN ON HOW THEY VOTED.
11:08:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:08:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
11:08:33AM COUNCIL, JUST BY WAY OF -- A REMINDER THE DEADLINE BY THE
11:08:40AM CLERK'S OFFICE IS -- I BELIEVE IT'S -- JANUARY 20 LAST I
11:08:48AM CHECKED.
11:08:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: PLENTY OF TIME.
11:08:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JANUARY 20, 2023.
11:08:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: PLENTY OF TIME.
11:08:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY NEED A TIME TO GET IT AT LEAST A WEEK
11:08:58AM OR TWO TO SECURE THE TRANSLATION.
11:09:01AM JUST SO YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH TIME YOU DO YOU HAVE.
11:09:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: STILL HAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AMENDED BY
11:09:09AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:09:09AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN -- SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:09:16AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:09:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A TIME --
11:09:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:09:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A TIME FRAME OF WHO YOU THAT WILL BE
11:09:31AM CONDUCTED AND WHO IS GOING TO DO IT.
11:09:33AM I CAN TELL THAT YOU IS QUITE A LABOR-INTENSIVE PROCESS.
11:09:37AM ARE YOU DIRECTING IT WITH A TIME FRAME?
11:09:40AM AND ARE YOU DIRECT IT TO A CERTAIN DEPARTMENT OR PERSON?
11:09:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE RECORDS ARE THERE.
11:09:46AM I CAN GO DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW -- WHEN I AM NOT HERE, FILE A
11:09:50AM REVIEW AND ASK FOR THE SAME THING ANY PUBLIC -- ANY OFFICIAL
11:09:55AM WHO LIVES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN ASK.
11:09:58AM I CAN FILE THAT AND THEY HAVE TO GIVE ME THE SAME
11:10:00AM INFORMATION.
11:10:00AM SO THAT IS DONE KIND OF QUICKLY.
11:10:03AM WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO GO.
11:10:05AM I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AS A COUNCILMEMBER, I CAN DO IT AS
11:10:08AM CHARLIE MIRANDA.
11:10:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT ASKING FOR A NEW COMPILATION.
11:10:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I ASKED.
11:10:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TIME WAS THE NEXT QUESTION.
11:10:21AM IS THERE A TIME FOR IT TO COME BACK, SIR?
11:10:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I ASKED FOR IT TO COME BACK WITHIN 30
11:10:28AM DAYS.
11:10:29AM DOES THAT SATISFY YOU, SIR?
11:10:32AM WHICH DATE DO YOU WANT, SIR.
11:10:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:10:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S FINE.
11:10:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:10:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK IT SHOULD BE EASY.
11:10:47AM THE MINUTES AND RECORDING FROM THE MEETINGS.
11:10:49AM THAT IS WHAT I WOULD DO WATCH IT -- IS THAT SUFFICIENT.
11:10:52AM TYPICAL PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST.
11:10:55AM SO I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
11:10:57AM IN 30 DAY ALSO PUT US IT SHALL THE 27th IS THE WORKSHOP.
11:11:03AM NOVEMBER 3 IS THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION.
11:11:06AM NOVEMBER 3.
11:11:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FINE WITH ME.
11:11:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
11:11:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL BE A YEAR WISER.
11:11:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
11:11:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OR MAYBE NOT SO WISE.
11:11:17AM LISTEN, AT MY AGE, A LIFE SENTENCE IS VERY SHORT.
11:11:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:11:23AM HANG ON, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:11:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT IN THAT I THINK
11:11:29AM I WOULD -- I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO COME BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS.
11:11:33AM SO I THINK EITHER THE COUNCIL WORKSHOP OR THE 20th SESSION.
11:11:40AM BECAUSE MY NEXT MOTION WILL BE TO SET AN ACTUAL MEETING FOR
11:11:43AM THIS DIRECTLY AFTERWARDS.
11:11:44AM BECAUSE JANUARY 20 SOUNDS LIKE IT IS FAR OFF, BUT IT REALLY
11:11:48AM ISN'T.
11:11:49AM I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
11:11:51AM SO WITHIN THOSE -- 30 DAYS WILL BE THE 22nd.
11:11:54AM SO I THINK IT SHOULD COME BACK.
11:11:56AM AND IF IT IS JUST -- IF IT IS JUST RECORDS, THEN --
11:12:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU REMEMBER MISS AGLERA CORENZIA.
11:12:10AM TO HAVE ALL THE MINUTES.
11:12:11AM QUITE A PACKET.
11:12:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: STILL HAVE IT.
11:12:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ABSOLUTELY.
11:12:19AM AND IF THE COUNCIL HAS TIME TO REVIEW IT IN TIME.
11:12:22AM THE RECORDINGS BUT TO SIT THROUGH HOW MANY -- WHAT WERE THE
11:12:27AM MEETINGS, TWO HOURS.
11:12:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AT LEAST.
11:12:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TIMES TEN MEETINGS PERHAPS.
11:12:33AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THE INFORMATION
11:12:37AM YOU WILL BE GETTING.
11:12:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE IS FINE.
11:12:42AM AS LONG AS WE CAN SET SOMETHING UP IN TWO WEEKS.
11:12:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT AMENABLE TO THE MOTION MAKER.
11:12:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE.
11:12:53AM I AM FINE WITH THAT.
11:12:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OCTOBER 20.
11:12:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT FINE WITH YOU?
11:12:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.
11:12:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
11:13:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED BY COUNCILMAN
11:13:06AM MIRANDA -- EXCUSE ME ORIGINAL MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:13:09AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:13:11AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:13:15AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:13:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:13:17AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:13:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:13:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:13:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:13:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:13:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:13:29AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:13:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW GO TO COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU ARE
11:13:34AM RECOGNIZED.
11:13:34AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:13:36AM I WILL SPEAK BRIEFLY AND SPEAKING LONG WILL UNDERMINE WHAT I
11:13:39AM AM TRYING TO SAY.
11:13:40AM I AM NOT OPPOSED AS A PHILOSOPHICAL MATTER OF AMENDING
11:13:45AM CHARTER RIGHT NOW.
11:13:46AM I AM NOT.
11:13:47AM IT IS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
11:13:49AM THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
11:13:51AM WITH REGARDS TO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER WE SHOULD GO FORWARD
11:13:53AM TODAY.
11:13:54AM WILL BE THE HEIGHT OF INEFFICIENCY AND DISCUSSION IF WE DID
11:13:57AM NOT.
11:13:58AM I BROUGHT THE ISSUE UP.
11:13:59AM POSITIONED TO DO A DISABILITY HOUSING WORKSHOP AND MOVED IT
11:14:03AM TO JANUARY.
11:14:04AM RIGHT NOW 11:14.
11:14:06AM ABOUT 11:15.
11:14:08AM WE CAN MOVE ON THIS AND HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION.
11:14:11AM THE PROCEDURES THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON NOTED, I FINDS THESE
11:14:15AM TO BE VERY REASONABLE AND MAKE EFFICIENT USE.
11:14:18AM I THINK IT IS GREAT TO HAVE EACH COUNCILMEMBER SPEAK CHARTER
11:14:24AM AMENDMENT THEY WOULD LIKE.
11:14:25AM IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WHAT NOT.
11:14:27AM I DON'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN AND CANCEL IT AND MOVE IT TO
11:14:30AM THE OTHER DAY.
11:14:31AM THAT IS A HEIGHT OF DYSFUNCTION AND INEFFICIENCY.
11:14:35AM FOR THE RECORD TO BE HERE FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT MEETING I
11:14:38AM GOT HOME FROM WEST PALM BEACH AT 3 A.M. AND HERE TO DISCUSS
11:14:42AM THE CHARTER AND DISCUSS THESE ISSUES.
11:14:44AM IF WE CAN GET IT ALL DONE WITHIN THE TIME FRAME, GREAT.
11:14:46AM IF WE CAN'T, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER ONE BUT NOT PRESUPPOSE
11:14:50AM THAT WE CAN'T.
11:14:51AM LET'S JUST MOVE ON AND I WILL BE QUIET SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
11:14:54AM THANK YOU.
11:14:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:14:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
11:14:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:15:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM HAPPY EITHER WAY DISCUSS IT TO $OR
11:15:04AM AS COUNCILMAN GUDES TALKED ABOUT GETTING A FACILITATOR AND
11:15:08AM WHATNOT.
11:15:09AM TIME IS OF ESSENCE.
11:15:11AM WE WILL MAKE IT TO THE MARCH BALLOT.
11:15:13AM I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE.
11:15:15AM I WILL SAY THAT THE PREVIOUS TIME THAT THE CHARTER WAS
11:15:17AM LOOKED AT WAS 1974, 1975.
11:15:20AM AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU WERE NEWLY ELECTED.
11:15:23AM YOU KNOW -- AND I SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY BECAUSE YOU WERE
11:15:27AM THERE.
11:15:27AM AND THIS DID NOT COME BACK UNTIL I WAS IN MY PREVIOUS TERM
11:15:32AM ON COUNCIL WHEN, AGAIN, THEN I HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING WITH
11:15:36AM YOU AND WE BROUGHT UP THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
11:15:39AM WE DISCUSSED THAT.
11:15:40AM SO SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME PASSED BETWEEN 1970s UNTIL IT
11:15:50AM WAS BROUGHT UP TO HOOK AT THIS CHARTER.
11:15:52AM AND I ASK MYSELF -- BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS
11:15:57AM VERY SERIOUSLY.
11:15:58AM WE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION.
11:16:00AM THE BOARD THAT WAS SET -- MANY OF THE PEOPLE WERE ON THE
11:16:03AM BOARD.
11:16:03AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS MY APPOINTEE TO THAT BOARD AND SO
11:16:08AM MUCH WAS DISCUSSED AND A LOT WAS DONE.
11:16:10AM IT NECESSARY AGAIN TO -- I AM NOT SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE
11:16:13AM DISCUSSION.
11:16:13AM WE WILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT TO REVISIT THIS CHARTER
11:16:16AM WHICH IS THE CITY'S CONSTITUTION IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF
11:16:20AM TIME SINCE THE REVIEW BOARD -- SINCE THE CHARTER REVIEW
11:16:24AM BOARD MET, CONSIDERING THAT SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME
11:16:29AM PASSED FROM THE 1970s.
11:16:32AM LOOK, HOW OFTEN IS THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AMENDED?
11:16:36AM I MEAN, THERE ARE INSTANCES IN THE 20th CENTURY WHEN WERE
11:16:39AM HICKS REPEALING PROHIBITION AND WHAT NOT.
11:16:43AM THIS IS OUR CITY'S CONSTITUTION.
11:16:46AM SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND TREAT RESPECTFULLY AND
11:16:50AM CAREFULLY, BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT WE CHANGE.
11:16:52AM IN LOOKING AT.
11:16:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:'S GUIDELINES, I AGREE WITH IT.
11:17:01AM VERY FAIR AND AN ORGANIZED WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
11:17:04AM NUMBER ONE, EACH CITY COUNCILMEMBER WILL REVIEW ONE BY ONE
11:17:08AM THEIR LIVING OF CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
11:17:11AM I DON'T HAVE ANY BECAUSE I AM HAPPY WITH THE CHARTER AS IT
11:17:14AM IS.
11:17:14AM I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING RADICAL -- I AM NOT SAYING THAT
11:17:19AM WE ARE -- OR CONSIDER CHANGE IT.
11:17:21AM SHOULD BE A EVERY TEN-YEAR PROCESS.
11:17:24AM AND WE JUST LOOKED AT IT AND THERE HE, FOUR YEARS LATER WE
11:17:30AM ARE LOOKING TO TWEAK IT AGAIN.
11:17:31AM I AM NOT AGAINST THE PROCESS AND THE DISCUSSION IS IT IS TOO
11:17:34AM SOON, IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
11:17:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY.
11:17:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MIRANDA.
11:17:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SAY WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S
11:17:44AM COMMENTS.
11:17:44AM THE CHARTER -- THREE OF US GOT ELECTED IN 1974.
11:17:48AM I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORK GREAT INDIVIDUALS AND THE TWO
11:17:52AM THAT GOT ELECTED WERE VERY DEAR TO MY HEART ALONG WITH SANDY
11:17:55AM FREEMAN.
11:17:55AM OTHER WAS JAN PLATT.
11:17:58AM I LEARNED A LOT FROM BOTH OF THEM.
11:17:59AM PLATT'S MOTION IN 1974 TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER.
11:18:04AM AND -- I AM SMILING AT MYSELF BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE
11:18:09AM CONVERSATION.
11:18:10AM IN FACT, I WAS SITTING IN THIS SAME CHAIR.
11:18:13AM THE DAIS WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT SITTING IN THE SAME
11:18:16AM CHAIR.
11:18:16AM AND CONVERSATION THAT CAME UP STARTED WITH CHICKENS AND
11:18:20AM HORSES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
11:18:22AM THAT IS HOW LONG BEFORE IT WAS REVIEWED, I WOULD IMAGINE AND
11:18:26AM SHE IS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP.
11:18:28AM TALKING OF THE CHARTER -- YOU CAN LOOK IT UP AND MAYBE I AM
11:18:31AM A LITTLE OFF LINE, BUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS BUT THE MAIN
11:18:34AM THINGS THAT STUCK IN MY MIND THAT EVEN IN THE CHARTER THEN,
11:18:37AM I ADDRESSED THE ANIMALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:18:39AM AND I -- I THINK I REMEMBER THAT.
11:18:41AM MAYBE I WAS DREAM BEING IT, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO VERIFY
11:18:45AM ME AND SAY I WAS INCORRECT, I AM -- I AM WELCOME WITH THAT.
11:18:49AM BECAUSE 1974 WASN'T YESTERDAY.
11:18:52AM BUT AM GREAT THING THAT WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS.
11:18:59AM THE WHOLE THING WAS DIFFERENT.
11:19:01AM IF YOU TALK ABOUT EFFICIENCY, INEFFICIENCY.
11:19:05AM TIME TELLS WHAT IS EFFICIENT OR NOT.
11:19:07AM WE NEVER HAD THESE THINGS GIVEN TO US.
11:19:11AM A MIME GRAPH MACHINE WITH THINGS THAT HAD TO BE DONE.
11:19:16AM NOBODY HAD AN OFFICE.
11:19:17AM A LITTLE PUNCH HOLE WITH E-MAILS -- NOT E-MAILS BUT A PINK
11:19:21AM SLIP THAT GAVE YOU A NUMBER.
11:19:23AM ONE TELEPHONE RIGHT BEHIND HERE.
11:19:25AM AND THE OFFICE THAT WE ARE AT NOW WHERE THE MAYOR'S
11:19:28AM ASSISTANT AND WHERE THE CITY CLERK IS AT WAS MAYOR POE'S
11:19:33AM OFFICE.
11:19:33AM AND IT WAS DIFFERENT.
11:19:35AM WAS IT BETTER?
11:19:37AM YOU GOT TO ASK THE PUBLIC, NOT ME.
11:19:39AM WAS IT MORE EFFICIENT THAN NOW?
11:19:42AM I TELL YOU WHAT, IT WAS MUCH MORE COMMUNICATION THAN NOW.
11:19:45AM AND TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATION, YOU HAD PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA
11:19:50AM THAT WILL FOLLOW YOU HOME.
11:19:51AM THEY WANT A STORY.
11:19:52AM THEY WANTED TO SEE IF YOU DRANK.
11:19:54AM THEY -- WE DON'T EVEN FROM MEDIA NOW.
11:19:56AM WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS PEOPLE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THE RIGHT
11:19:59AM WAY, BUT MEDIA IS SO SCATTERED THAT THE GO END RALE PUBLIC
11:20:03AM ONLY LOOKS AT WHAT?
11:20:06AM THEEST IN FOR INFORMATION.
11:20:07AM IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAPERS THEN ON WHAT -- ON HOW THEY WROTE.
11:20:15AM AND IN THE WANT ADS.
11:20:18AM THERE WAS FOUR OR FIVE PAGES OF WANT ADS.
11:20:21AM NOW YOU ARE LUCKY OF A QUARTER OF A PAGE.
11:20:24AM THE MEDIA IS GOING OUT OF HIS.
11:20:26AM NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, BUT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS NOT
11:20:30AM LISTENING TO THEM.
11:20:31AM PLEASE CHECK.
11:20:33AM I WANT TO SEE IF I AM RIGHT OR WRONG, TRYING TO GET MY MINDS
11:20:38AM BACK A FEW YEARS BACK.
11:20:39AM AND I BELIEVE THAT IS RIGHT.
11:20:40AM THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT, MR. MANISCALCO.
11:20:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:20:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:20:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S POINT.
11:20:49AM WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE CITY IN 2004, ONE OF THE FIRST
11:20:53AM QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED WAS ABOUT THE CHARTER.
11:20:57AM AT THE TIME THE CLERK, SHIRLEY FOXX- KNOWLES HAD A WHOLE
11:21:05AM LIST OF AMENDMENTS ON THE BALLOT FOR CITY CHARTER.
11:21:08AM I STILL HAVE THAT AND SHE CAN UPDATE IT BECAUSE THERE HAVE
11:21:11AM BEEN SEVERAL THAT HAVE BEEN ON THERE THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED
11:21:14AM ON THE BALLOT THAT THE VOTERS HAVE VOTED ON.
11:21:16AM SO IT'S -- AND IT MIGHT BE INFORMATIVE TO COUNCIL.
11:21:20AM MOST OF THEM PASSED.
11:21:21AM SOME OF THEM -- ACTUALLY IT WAS DURING THE FREEMAN
11:21:24AM ADMINISTRATION IS IT NOT AS I RECALL.
11:21:27AM I CAN PROVIDE TO MISS FOXX-KNOWLES AND USEFUL TO COUNCIL TO
11:21:35AM SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME PLACED ON THE BALLOT AT
11:21:37AM WHAT TIME AND WHOSE ADMINISTRATION AND HOW IT TURNED OUT.
11:21:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LOVE THAT.
11:21:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FIRST AND
11:21:46AM THEN TO YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:21:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN -- WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, BUT IT
11:21:55AM JUST SEEMS TO ME WITH ALL THIS ADDITION ALE INFORMATION THAT
11:21:58AM WE ARE GOING TO GET, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD CONTINUE
11:22:03AM TODAY.
11:22:03AM BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE -- THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT
11:22:09AM REVIEWED THE CHARTER.
11:22:10AM IT WAS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT REVIEWED THE
11:22:13AM CHARTER AND CITY COUNCIL THAT REVIEWED THE CHARTER
11:22:15AM COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
11:22:17AM THEY DID -- THE CITY COUNT ITSELF DID NOT REVIEW THE
11:22:20AM CHARTER.
11:22:21AM AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TO HAVE.
11:22:25AM AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD SPEND ALL DAY ON A IT AND NOTHING
11:22:29AM ELSE.
11:22:30AM I -- I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC THINGS EITHER TODAY.
11:22:35AM I REALLY WAS HOPING THIS COULD JUST BE A CONVERSATION THAT
11:22:39AM COULD START.
11:22:39AM BUT IF OTHERS HAVE SOMETHING, THAT IS WONDERFUL.
11:22:42AM TO ME, THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE A ONE IN DONE.
11:22:45AM TO ME THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF A CONVERSATION.
11:22:47AM BECAUSE WE HAVE SWITCHED IT SO MANY TIMES, I DIDN'T KNOW IF
11:22:52AM FOLKS WERE READY.
11:22:53AM AND I THOUGHT THIS CONVERSATION TO ME WOULD BRING MORE
11:22:56AM QUESTIONS FOR ME.
11:22:57AM THAT IS THE WAY I LOOKED AT THIS -- THIS CONVERSATION.
11:23:00AM BUT I AM -- I AM HAPPY TO CONTINUE NOW.
11:23:04AM I AM HAPPY TO GO AS FAR AS WE CAN AND DO IT AGAIN, BUT IF WE
11:23:08AM ARE WE ARE HAVING ALL THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHAT IS
11:23:10AM THE POINT.
11:23:10AM WE CAN HAVE THIS, BUT WHY?
11:23:13AM IF THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO MEET AGAIN AND DISCUSS
11:23:16AM THIS.
11:23:16AM SO.
11:23:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:23:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:23:27AM COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A THRESHOLD DISCUSSION OF THE SUBJECT
11:23:30AM MATTER THAT MIGHT COME UP IN THE FUTURE AND A STRONG
11:23:33AM SENTIMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS MR. CARLSON SUGGESTS, MAY
11:23:37AM PUT THE MATTER TO BED TODAY THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT MATTER.
11:23:41AM OTHERWISE, HOWEVER THE COUNCIL WISHES TO DO IT.
11:23:44AM I -- LET ME -- LET ME JUST STOP THERE.
11:23:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:23:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY
11:23:57AM HERE THAT HAS BEEN DIFFERENT THAN EVER.
11:24:00AM IN THAT WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS OF THE CHARTER REVIEW
11:24:02AM COMMISSION, PLUS WE HAVE THREE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO
11:24:05AM APPOINTED MEMBERS OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, REVIEWED
11:24:10AM THEIR WORK AND VOTED ON CHARTER CHANGES.
11:24:12AM SEVEN PEOPLE HERE WHO HAPPEN TO BE VERY EXPERIENCED IN THE
11:24:16AM AREA.
11:24:16AM IF WE DECIDE TO GO FORWARD, MY REQUEST MIGHT BREAK MY
11:24:25AM PROCESS HERE, BUT ON THE CRB ONE, THAT WE SEE WE HAVE A
11:24:29AM MOTION AND A SECOND BEFORE WE PROCEED.
11:24:31AM AND LAST COMMENT IS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK PROPOSED MOVING TO
11:24:40AM ANOTHER DAY.
11:24:40AM I WOULD SUGGEST SO WE CAN END THIS CONVERSATION, THAT SHE GO
11:24:44AM AHEAD AND MOVE TO A PARTICULAR TATE AND VOTE IT UP AND DOWN.
11:24:48AM IF IT GOES DOWN, WE NEED TO SET UP A PROCESS -- WHAT?
11:24:53AM -- OTHERWISE WE NEED TO AGREE ON THE PROCESS TODAY AND
11:24:58AM CONTINUE.
11:24:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE FACILITATOR
11:25:02AM WHO WAS ENGAGED THROUGH USF'S INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT AND
11:25:08AM SPOKE WITH ANGELA CHRIS THIS WEEK AND THEY ARE STILL ON
11:25:13AM DIDN'T.
11:25:13AM BUT THE MATTER OF THE AVAILABILITY OF THE CHAMBERS.
11:25:16AM THIS CAME UP THE LAST TIME.
11:25:18AM THE MATTER OF THE AVAILABILITY OF THE CHAMBERS.
11:25:21AM AND MATTER OF THE AVAILABILITY OF THE FACILITATOR.
11:25:25AM AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE COUNCIL.
11:25:29AM THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES --
11:25:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENTS.
11:25:35AM AT A POINT OF PRIVILEGE TO A COUNCILMAN, HE WANTED TO START
11:25:41AM THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION.
11:25:42AM THAT HAS BEEN ALMOST 40 MINUTES.
11:25:44AM I BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THIS AGENDA ITEM VERY
11:25:47AM QUICKLY WHEN WE TALK OF AN AGENDA, EVERYBODY GETS A DRAFT OF
11:25:53AM THAT, ESPECIALLY A FINAL DRAFT.
11:25:55AM AND IT COMES TO US ON TUESDAY.
11:26:01AM ANYBODY COULD HAVE SENT A MEMO TO MY OFFICE SAYING THEY
11:26:05AM DON'T LIKE THE AGENDA, THEY CAN CHANGE IT AT ANY TIME.
11:26:08AM EXCUSE ME, ONE SECOND, MR. SHELBY.
11:26:17AM IT IS MY OPINION THAT WE HAVE NOW JUST WASTED 40 MINUTES
11:26:24AM TALKING ABOUT THIS.
11:26:26AM WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
11:26:27AM BOTH FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ACLU, STAFF, PBA, A CITIZEN
11:26:34AM HERE IN THE OFFICE -- IN CHAMBERS.
11:26:39AM WE JUST WASTED 40 MINUTES.
11:26:40AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:26:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT.
11:26:44AM CAN WE PLEASE GET THE ITEM STARTED.
11:26:46AM IF -- BY THE WAY, I DO HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT I AM GOING
11:26:49AM TO TALK ABOUT.
11:26:50AM I DO HAVE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
11:26:51AM I PREPARED FOR TODAY LIKE I AM SURE WE ALL DID.
11:26:55AM LET'S DO THIS THING AND MOVE FORWARD FOR THE LOVE OF THE
11:26:58AM ALMIGHTY, PLEASE.
11:26:59AM LET'S DO IT.
11:27:00AM THANK YOU.
11:27:01AM AND I AGREE, THANK YOU.
11:27:02AM UP.
11:27:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW, COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF YOU WANTS TO MAKE
11:27:06AM A MOTION TO CHANGE THIS TO ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE NOW IS NOT
11:27:10AM THE APPROPRIATE TIME THAT YOU FEEL, PLEASE MAKE THE MOTION
11:27:14AM >>ORDLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:27:14AM NOT WHAT I FEEL, IT IS THE FACTS.
11:27:17AM AND TOP YOUR POINT, PEOPLE ARE HERE AND THIS IS SOURCE
11:27:22AM COUNCIL AND WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE
11:27:25AM ARE IN THE RIGHT POSITION.
11:27:26AM I DID ASK ABOUT THE AGENDA, AND I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T DO
11:27:31AM THAT.
11:27:31AM I DID ASK THAT QUESTION.
11:27:33AM I WENT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE --
11:27:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHO DID YOU ASK --
11:27:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WENT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND COULD I
11:27:40AM PUT A MEMO.
11:27:40AM THEY SAID NO.
11:27:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT GOES IN EVERY WEEK.
11:27:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM NOT ARGUING THAT.
11:27:47AM I ASKED THAT POINT.
11:27:48AM I AM PAST THAT.
11:27:49AM IF WE ARE GOING TO MO OF AHEAD WITH THE CRB.
11:27:52AM I BELIEVE THE CHARTER REVIEW SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN SPECIAL DAY
11:27:55AM AND DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AND GO BY THE GUIDELINES THAT MR.
11:27:59AM CARLSON HAS DEALT WITH.
11:28:01AM I CAN DEAL WITH THAT.
11:28:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A POINT OF CLARIFICATION WILL CHAIRMAN,
11:28:07AM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
11:28:08AM COUNCIL CAN REQUEST WHATEVER THEY WANT THROUGH THE MEMO BUT
11:28:12AM ULTIMATELY DURING THE -- A INDIVIDUAL SINGLE COUNCILMEMBER
11:28:16AM CAN ASK FOR AN ITEM TO BE REMOVED AND THE PLEASURE OF
11:28:20AM COUNCIL THAT IS WHEN IT GETS REMOVED OR REORDERED, BUT YOU
11:28:25AM ARE RIGHT.
11:28:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT CAN BE DONE.
11:28:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AT COUNCIL, YES.
11:28:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT CAN BE DONE.
11:28:31AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:28:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY.
11:28:33AM WE HAVE SOME TAXPAYERS.
11:28:34AM WE HAVE TAXPAYERS WHO HAPPEN TO BE CITY EMPLOYEES.
11:28:37AM THEY HAVE BEEN HERE TWO HOURS AND 30 MINUTES.
11:28:40AM STARTED AT 9:00.
11:28:42AM NOW 11:30.
11:28:43AM AND THEY ARE JUST AS VALUABLE AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMING
11:28:48AM IN AND ASKING US.
11:28:49AM THIS SHOULD BE HEARD TODAY.
11:28:50AM WE HAVE ALL THE SALARY THAT IS WASTED IF WE DON'T DO IT
11:28:53AM TODAY.
11:28:53AM WITHER GOING TO COME BACK ANOTHER DAY AND THE SAME PEOPLE
11:28:56AM WILL BE HERE FOR THE SAME CHARADE AGAIN.
11:28:58AM SO MEANS TWICE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THEM.
11:29:01AM AS A TAXPAYER, OF ME BEING A CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:29:06AM YOU DON'T LIKE PEOPLE WE PAY THEIR TAXES TO SIT DOWN
11:29:10AM LISTENING TO US OF SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT SHOULD BE
11:29:14AM HEARD TODAY.
11:29:14AM IF IT WASN'T TODAY, AT 9 A.M. WHEN WE WILL HOLD IT NO
11:29:19AM ANOTHER DAY.
11:29:20AM THAT IS NOT DONE.
11:29:21AM I AM NOT CASTING ASPIRATION I MYSELF WHO SHOULD HAVE DONE
11:29:25AM THAT, AND I DID NOT.
11:29:27AM THAT'S ALL.
11:29:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:29:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS THE
11:29:35AM ONLY TIME WE HAVE TO TALK.
11:29:37AM I SEE NO POINT IN SPEEDING UP MEETINGS.
11:29:39AM I HAVE NO INTEREST IN SPEEDING UP A MEETING.
11:29:43AM I WANT EVERYBODY TO TALK.
11:29:44AM IF THEY HAVE TO SIT HERE, THEY HAVE TO SIT HERE.
11:29:46AM I AM NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR US HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
11:29:51AM I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT.
11:29:52AM HE BROUGHT UP A POINT.
11:29:53AM WE DISCUSS IT.
11:29:54AM EVERYBODY HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
11:29:55AM YOU CAN'T SAY PEOPLE ARE SITTING HERE AND WAITING.
11:29:57AM WE ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
11:30:02AM HAVE THE DISCUSSION ANY OTHER TIME.
11:30:03AM I THINK IF ANYTHING, IT SHOWS THE PUBLIC THAT WE TRULY DO
11:30:07AM NOT TALK TO ONE ANOTHER ANY OTHER TIME.
11:30:09AM THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO HAVE THOSE ARGUMENTS.
11:30:12AM TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
11:30:12AM SO I -- I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 45 MINUTES.
11:30:16AM I WILL DO IT FOR TWO HOURS IF IT GIVES US WHAT WE -- IF WE
11:30:21AM END UP COMING UP WITH AN AGREEMENT.
11:30:22AM I THINK THAT IS THE WAY WE ALWAYS SHOULD LOOK AT COUNCIL.
11:30:25AM IF WE ARE HERE FOR 14 HOURS EVERY THURSDAY, I AM FINE WITH
11:30:29AM THAT.
11:30:29AM IF WE ADD ANOTHER DAY TO COUNCIL'S CALENDAR, I AM FINE WITH
11:30:32AM THAT.
11:30:33AM THIS IS OUR JOB.
11:30:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, COUNCILWOMAN
11:30:41AM HURTAK.
11:30:41AM I OFTEN SAID THIS IS A 24-7 JOB.
11:30:45AM I WILL BE HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT AND COME IN AT 6:00 IN
11:30:49AM MORNING.
11:30:49AM I OFTEN SAID THAT ANOTHER DAY NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO CITY
11:30:52AM COUNCIL.
11:30:52AM I HAVE HAD VARIOUS COUNCILPEOPLE THAT SAY THERE AIN'T NO
11:30:57AM WAY.
11:30:58AM I WILL BE HERE FIVE DAY AS WEEK.
11:30:59AM BUT IT IS MY OPINION WE NEED TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN THE
11:31:06AM TIME WE SPEND HERE.
11:31:07AM WHO IS GOING TO WANT TO OPEN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 OR IF
11:31:13AM COUNCILMAN GUDES GOING TO GO TO HIS ORIGINAL TALKING POINT
11:31:16AM AND MAKE A MOTION TO PUT THIS OUT ON A LATER DATE.
11:31:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO BE WITH A
11:31:26AM SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING OF MR. CARLSON'S MEMORANDUM.
11:31:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ITEM FIVE AND SIX.
11:31:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: FIVE AND SIX.
11:31:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND SEVEN?
11:31:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND SEVEN.
11:31:37AM ALL COINCIDE WITH THE SAME DATE.
11:31:39AM WHAT DAYS -- I ASKED FOR DATES.
11:31:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, I CAN SEE IF I CAN GET THAT ANSWERED
11:31:48AM BY TONIGHT, IF POSSIBLE.
11:31:50AM AND IF NOT, I WILL LET'S YOU KNOW.
11:31:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE NEED THAT ANSWERED.
11:31:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CHAIR.
11:31:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:31:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION.
11:32:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SECOND.
11:32:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TALK
11:32:05AM WITH THE FACILITATOR TODAY AND THEN TONIGHT COME BACK WITH
11:32:08AM AN ANSWER ON WHAT DATE AND THEN TAKE A -- YOU KNOW, WE CAN
11:32:11AM SET -- WE CAN MAKE THE MOST NOW AND PASS A MOTION AND FIGURE
11:32:14AM OUT THE DATE THIS EVENING SO WE DON'T WASTE ANY MORE TIME?
11:32:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE REALITY, COUNCIL, IS THAT THIS --
11:32:23AM SEVERAL FACTORS.
11:32:24AM THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS ROOM.
11:32:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO IT ON A WEDNESDAY.
11:32:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BECAUSE IT IS TELEVISED.
11:32:34AM IT IS LIMITED WITH EN THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NOTICED.
11:32:37AM NUMBER TWO, ONCE I COME BACK WITH POTENTIAL DATES THAT HAVE
11:32:40AM THE ROOM AVAILABILITY AND THE FACILITATOR'S ACCESSIBILITY,
11:32:45AM THE NEXT IMPORTANT THING TO CHECK IS EACH OF YOUR PERSONAL
11:32:48AM CALENDARS TO SEE IF YOU HAVE THE AVAILABILITY.
11:32:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, I WILL MAKE SURE I'M HERE
11:32:53AM WHATEVER DATE.
11:32:54AM IT DOESN'T MATTER.
11:32:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:33:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I SUGGEST IS THAT COUNCILMEMBER GUDES
11:33:04AM PICK A SPECIFIC DATE LIKE A TUESDAY MORNING.
11:33:06AM AND THEN WE CAN CONFIRM WHETHER IT IS AVAILABLE.
11:33:09AM BUT IF WE ALL CAN LOOK AT OUR CALENDARS NOW AND PICK IT.
11:33:13AM I WAS ORIGINALLY IN FAVOR OF THE -- OF THE FACILITATOR, BUT
11:33:17AM IF WE FOLLOW A SIMPLE PROCESS LIKE THIS, I TRUST THE CHAIR
11:33:20AM TO FACILITATE IT.
11:33:22AM AND -- WE CAN -- WE CAN END UP IN LONGER DISCUSSIONS THAN WE
11:33:28AM NEED.
11:33:28AM SOME OF YOU WILL BE AGAINST ANY CHANGES.
11:33:30AM YOU WILL VOTE AGAINST ALL OF THEM.
11:33:32AM SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE IN FAVOR OF ALL.
11:33:34AM BUT WHAT WE IS FIVE VOTES AND WE CAN QUICKLY GET TO THAT ON
11:33:40AM THESE ISSUES AND GO UP AND DOWN WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, WE
11:33:43AM WILL COME BACK ON ANOTHER DATE AND REVIEW IF ONE FINAL TIME.
11:33:46AM WE GET FIVE VOTES, IT GOES ON THE BALLOT.
11:33:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM FINE WITH THAT AS WELL.
11:33:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME.
11:33:52AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:33:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM FINE WITH THAT.
11:33:56AM I ALSO THINK THAT IF WE GO AHEAD AND -- I -- I THINK WE
11:34:02AM COULD -- WE COULD LOOK AT NUMBER FIVE TODAY BECAUSE IT IS
11:34:05AM NOT PART OF THE CHARTER.
11:34:06AM IT IS NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF CHANGING THE CHARTER.
11:34:09AM THIS IS THE IDEA OF A DRAFT TORD NANCE TO PUT ON THE BALLOT
11:34:14AM FOR VOTERS WHICH IS NOT COME FROM THE CHARTER.
11:34:17AM THIS THIS IS LIKE A SEPARATE -- A SEPARATE ISSUE.
11:34:20AM I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT OR TO MOVE IT.
11:34:23AM HONESTLY, THESE ARE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
11:34:25AM THIS IS OUR HOUSE.
11:34:26AM I AM SORRY, IT IS.
11:34:28AM IT IS OUR HOUSE.
11:34:29AM AND I UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN NOTICED ALREADY --
11:34:33AM BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING -- WE ARE TALKING OF DOING THIS A
11:34:36AM MONTH FROM NOW WHEN NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTICED.
11:34:38AM AND ANOTHER GROUP CAN MOVE.
11:34:40AM BUT THIS IS OUR HOUSE.
11:34:41AM IF WE HAVE TO BE HERE OTHER DAY, OTHER PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO
11:34:45AM FIND OTHER PLACES TO GO.
11:34:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:34:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:34:55AM SHE TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH.
11:34:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: STOLE THEM FROM YOU
11:35:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE.
11:35:02AM BUT THESE ARE OUR CHAMBERS.
11:35:04AM WE ARE THE BODY HERE.
11:35:05AM WE GOT WORK TO DO.
11:35:07AM SO, AGAIN, I COMMEND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR BEING STRONG
11:35:11AM AND STANDING BY THAT.
11:35:12AM WE CAN'T BE AFRAID OF POLITICAL -- WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE
11:35:17AM DECISIONS.
11:35:18AM I AM A DECISION MAKERS.
11:35:19AM I DON'T PLAY THE GAMES OF POLITICS.
11:35:21AM I MAKE THE DECISION.
11:35:22AM I WANT TO MOVE ON.
11:35:23AM MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
11:35:24AM MR. CARLSON WANTS TOTS SAY MENDS SOMETHING, I AM HAPPY WITH
11:35:27AM THAT.
11:35:28AM BUT NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE DAY TO DEAL WITH ISSUES AND WE
11:35:30AM MOVE ON.
11:35:31AM I MEAN WHAT -- WHAT -- WHAT DATES DO WE HAVE?
11:35:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
11:35:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
11:35:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ELECTION DAY, GOOD POINT.
11:35:49AM THE SECOND TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
11:35:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
11:35:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
11:35:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WANTED ALL THE DATA FROM
11:36:03AM THE CHARTER REVIEW.
11:36:04AM I WAS TRYING BE NICE AND DOING SOMETHING AFTER THAT.
11:36:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN DO THE FIRST.
11:36:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE FIRST, THERE YOU GO.
11:36:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FIRST WHEN, NOVEMBER.
11:36:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOOD.
11:36:16AM I AM GOOD EVERY DAY.
11:36:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:36:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE IF MISS HURTAK SAY LISTEN TO
11:36:25AM FIVE, GET IT OUT OF THE WAY TODAY.
11:36:27AM THEY ARE HERE NOW.
11:36:28AM I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING IN THE NEW THING.
11:36:31AM AND RECOMMEND GOING BACK TO THE OLD DAYS AND COME BACK IN
11:36:34AM TUESDAY AND THURSDAY, AND HAD A COMMITTEE THAT YOU PASS ONE
11:36:38AM THROUGH 8.
11:36:40AM YOU GOT TO READ EACH ONE AND TAKE A VOTE SO EVERY PUBLIC
11:36:44AM KNOWS WHAT YOU FELT AT THE TIME YOU VOTED AND DONE
11:36:47AM INDIVIDUALLY.
11:36:47AM TAKES A LITTLE LONGER AND CUTS DOWN ON THE CHATTER BECAUSE
11:36:51AM YOU GOT TO GET IN AND OUT.
11:36:53AM IN AND OUT.
11:36:54AM AND THE ONES ARE DEBATABLE.
11:36:56AM I REMEMBER THAT AS I AM SPEAKING TO YOU -- TO ELECTED
11:37:00AM OFFICIAL LIKE MYSELF.
11:37:01AM I THINK MEETING TWICE A WEEK WILL HELP.
11:37:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I CONCUR.
11:37:07AM >> WE HAVE MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY CONGRESSMAN GUDES.
11:37:15AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:37:16AM I HESITANTLY ASKED THIS.
11:37:18AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:37:20AM >> I WANT TO EXPLAIN IF I MAY.
11:37:22AM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:37:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: I AM VOTING NO ON THIS FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED
11:37:28AM REGION.
11:37:28AM I MENTION THIS TWICE THAT WE HAVE OTHER WORKSHOPS.
11:37:31AM AND I THINK THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN WAIVED.
11:37:35AM WE HAVE TIME TODAY TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.
11:37:38AM I THINK IT IS NOT AN EFFICIENT USE OF TIME AT ALL.
11:37:41AM THAT IS RESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC, ETC.
11:37:44AM SO THAT IS WHERE I WILL BE -- I AM AVAILABLE THAT DAY FOR
11:37:48AM THE RECORD BUT I AM VOTING NO ON THIS, THANK YOU.
11:37:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
11:37:55AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:37:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOVEMBER 1, A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING WHAT
11:38:00AM THE MOTION IS?
11:38:01AM FOR 9 A.M. TO WHAT TIME?
11:38:04AM BECAUSE THAT --
11:38:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: UNTIL WE ARE DONE.
11:38:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE FACILITATOR AGREED
11:38:12AM TO UNTIL NOON.
11:38:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GOT TO KEEP MOVING.
11:38:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH YOU.
11:38:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO DO IT WITHOUT THE
11:38:24AM FACILITATOR.
11:38:25AM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
11:38:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN WE HAVE A LITTLE ORDER.
11:38:30AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:38:34AM >> SIMPLY MAKE THE MOVEMENT UNTIL NOVEMBER 1 FROM 9 UNTIL
11:38:38AM WHATEVER.
11:38:38AM AND NOTHING ELSE WILL BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA THAT DAY.
11:38:40AM AND IF THE FACILITATOR IS AVAILABLE AND THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE
11:38:44AM TO WORK WITH THE FACILITATOR, WE WILL LIKE TO BRING THE
11:38:47AM FACILITATOR IN.
11:38:48AM OTHERWISE THE CHAIR WILL FACILITATE.
11:38:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:38:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL HAVE THAT OPTION.
11:38:56AM I WILL VOTE TO DEFER TO MR. CARLSON.
11:38:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
11:39:06AM CARLSON.
11:39:07AM DOES THE SECOND STILL WANT TO SECOND?
11:39:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:39:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:39:15AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:39:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DOES THE AMENDED INCLUDE NUMBER FIVE OR CAN
11:39:19AM WE JUST GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY TODAY?
11:39:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE ORIGINAL MOTION --
11:39:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT.
11:39:28AM MA.
11:39:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ORIGINAL MOTION WAS FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.
11:39:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT IS ON THE BALLOT, SO LET'S LEAVE IT.
11:39:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, I CAN FIND OUTS PRETTY DARN QUICK
11:39:41AM IF THE FACILITATOR.
11:39:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT DOESN'T MATTER.
11:39:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:39:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
11:39:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S TAKE THIS VOTE AS AMENDED BY
11:39:55AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:39:55AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:39:57AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:39:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:40:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:40:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:40:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:40:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
11:40:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:40:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
11:40:11AM MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON, CITRO AND MIRANDA AND VIERA
11:40:27AM VOTING NO.
11:40:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY THANK EVERYONE
11:40:33AM WHO CAME HERE FOR THIS COUNCIL MEETING TODAY FOR STAYING
11:40:36AM HERE.
11:40:39AM THANK YOU.
11:40:40AM INFORMATION AND REPORTS.
11:40:46AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:40:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: NONE, THANK YOU.
11:40:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:41:00AM EVEN THE TWO PEOPLE, THE.
11:41:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT.
11:41:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I UNDERSTAND.
11:41:08AM I UNDERSTAND BUT STILL PEOPLE WHO STAYED HERE.
11:41:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT SIR.
11:41:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:41:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: NOTHING FOR ME.
11:41:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING.
11:41:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
11:41:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE SEVERAL, SIR.
11:41:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE NONE
11:41:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE SEVERAL.
11:41:28AM I HAVE A MOTION THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT TALK OF THE
11:41:32AM PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS IN PLACE TO ALERT PRIVATE SCHOOL OR
11:41:35AM DAY CARES WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE WAS
11:41:38AM -- OR THERE IS A REGISTRY FOR DAY CARE OF PRIVATE SCHOOLS TO
11:41:41AM BE NOTIFIED OF ANY SUCH EMERGENCIES, ACTIVE SHOOTERS OR ANY
11:41:45AM INSTANCES THAT HAPPEN IN THE PROXIMITY.
11:41:47AM IF NOT BRING SUGGESTION OF THIS LACK OF -- -- BE BROUGHT
11:41:54AM BACK ON OCTOBER 6.
11:41:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD --
11:41:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE REASON I ASK THAT BECAUSE SEVERAL DAY
11:42:00AM CARE AND SCHOOLS HAVE CALLED.
11:42:02AM THERE ARE SHOOTINGS AND THEY COMPLAIN THEY ARE NOT BEING
11:42:05AM NOTIFIED THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS A SYSTEM OF SHUTTING
11:42:10AM DOWN DAY CARES AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND THEY WANT TO BE
11:42:13AM NOTIFIED.
11:42:14AM I WANT CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
11:42:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHO WAS THE SECOND.
11:42:19AM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:42:22AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:42:24AM ALL IN FAVOR.
11:42:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEXT ONE, SIR, MAKE A MOTION THAT THE TAMPA
11:42:28AM CITY COUNCIL GIVE COMMENDATION TO JOSEPH JOHNSON FOR
11:42:31AM EXTRAORDINARY LEADERSHIP TO THE CITY OF TAMPA OF THE FORMER
11:42:35AM CHAIR OF THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 8.
11:42:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:42:41AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:42:43AM ALL IN FAVOR.
11:42:49AM >> AYE.
11:42:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T GET INTO POLITICS AND A STRAIGHT
11:42:53AM SHOOTER AND WANT TO GET THINGS DONE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
11:42:56AM MAKE A MOTION FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT 6.06 OF THE CITY
11:43:00AM CHARTER FOR SALARY INCREASES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DEEMED
11:43:04AM PROPER AND THAT A RESOLUTION BE BROUGHT BACK ON OCTOBER 6
11:43:08AM FOR AN UP AND DOWN VOTE TO GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY UPON
11:43:13AM ADOPTION.
11:43:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
11:43:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A NOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:43:18AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:43:20AM ANY DISCUSSION?
11:43:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
11:43:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:43:28AM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST TO CLARIFY.
11:43:29AM YOU ARE ASKING A VOTE.
11:43:31AM THIS IS NOT SUPPORTING A MONITORY OR A RAISE.
11:43:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, TO WITH THE ACTION OF THE
11:43:39AM RECOMMENDATION.
11:43:40AM IT IS CLEAR IN THE MOTION.
11:43:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: IN OTHER WORDS, I AM CLARIFYING YOUR MOTION
11:43:44AM WHICH IS -- YOUR MOTION IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF A PAY RAISE,
11:43:49AM NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO, NOT IN THE AMOUNT OF THE MONETARY
11:43:53AM AMOUNT OF PAY RAISE.
11:43:54AM THE MOTION IS FOR A VOTE TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
11:43:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CORRECT.
11:43:59AM I AM ASKING FOR THE INCREASE FOR CITY MEMBERS THAT THE
11:44:03AM ADMINISTRATION DEEMS PROPER.
11:44:04AM I THINK I WAS CLEAR ON THAT WITH MY MOTION, SIR.
11:44:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN FOR THE SAKE OF CLARIFICATION
11:44:11AM BECAUSE -- WHAT IS YOUR INTENT OF THE MOTION?
11:44:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY INTENT OF THE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE
11:44:18AM RECOMMENDED RESOLUTION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DEEMED WAS
11:44:21AM PROPER FOR SALARY INCREASE FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL.
11:44:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WANT IT TO TAKE EFFECT WHEN?
11:44:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OCTOBER 6, THE SAME DAY.
11:44:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE DAY IT BROUGHT BACK FOR AN UP AND DOWN
11:44:33AM VOTE?
11:44:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
11:44:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHATEVER THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO EFFECTUATE
11:44:39AM THAT, IS THAT YOUR INTENT?
11:44:41AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:44:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MASSEY.
11:44:45AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I WAS GOING TO SAY A RESOLUTION TO AMEND
11:44:48AM THE BUDGET, THAT WILL BE PREPARED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE AND
11:44:51AM COME THROUGH LEGAL, BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
11:44:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
11:44:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PUTTING THINGS TO VOTE ON BY ELECTION, SO
11:45:01AM I THOUGHT THIS WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE ELECTION FOR THE.PUBLIC
11:45:04AM TO PUT IT UP OR DOWN.
11:45:05AM I MEAN, I AM NOT AGAINST RAISES, BUT I AM AGAINST A 42%
11:45:09AM RAISE WHEN THE PEOPLE UNDER -- THERE IS OVER 40% OF THE
11:45:14AM PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY CANNOT HANDLE A $400 EMERGENCY.
11:45:17AM THAT INCLUDES THE PEOPLE IN TAMPA 60% OF PUBLIC CAN'T HANDLE
11:45:21AM A $1,000 EMERGENCY AND WE ARE GETTING A 42% RAISE.
11:45:25AM THAT BOTHERS ME.
11:45:27AM NOT THE RAISE, THE AMOUNT.
11:45:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE.
11:45:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, I MAY.
11:45:33AM AND FUNNY -- I DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP THE CAN OF WORMS OF THE
11:45:36AM CHARTER, BUT A CHARTER AMENDMENT I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT WAS
11:45:39AM SOMETHING PATTERNED AFTER THE 27th AMENDMENT TO PRECLUDE
11:45:43AM CITY COUNCIL FROM DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS THE 27th
11:45:46AM AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION.
11:45:47AM WE ARE TALKING OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES SIMPLY THAT IF THE
11:45:50AM UNITED STATES CONGRESS TAKES A PAY INCREASE, MAY NOT GET THE
11:45:54AM BENEFIT OF THAT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION HAS HAPPENED.
11:45:57AM THAT IS THE ONE CHARTER AMENDMENT I WAS GOING TO SEEK TO
11:46:01AM HAVE.
11:46:01AM THIS WILL PROBABLY VIOLATE THAT IN SPIRIT, BUT, AGAIN, JUST
11:46:05AM MAKING A NOTE IN THAT REGARD.
11:46:06AM BUT IT IS GOOD TO GET THAT OUT OF WAY AND VOTE ON IT.
11:46:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
11:46:17AM I THINK IT IS A SHAME THAT IN A $1.9 BILLION BUDGET THAT THE
11:46:23AM MOST PRESS COVERAGE ABOUT ANYTHING HAS BEEN ABOUT THIS.
11:46:25AM AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION OFFERED THE
11:46:29AM CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
11:46:31AM AND -- AND I DON'T KNOW WHO PUSHED TO THE MEDIA, BUT --
11:46:38AM WHETHER -- WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL ASKED FOR IT, I DON'T THINK
11:46:41AM THIS BODY EVER VOTED TO ASK FOR IT.
11:46:43AM SO SOMEBODY -- I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
11:46:48AM WHO DID IT, BUT SOMEBODY HAS BEEN PUSHING THE STORY TO THE
11:46:51AM MEDIA OF THE 40 PERCENT INCREASE.
11:46:54AM THE FACT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS NOT PAID ENOUGH.
11:46:56AM AND AS INDIVIDUALS, WE CAN TURN IT DOWN JUST LIKE WE CAN
11:47:01AM TURN DOWN THE COST OF LIVING.
11:47:03AM IF ANYONE WANTS TO NOT TAKE THIS, DON'T TAKE IT.
11:47:05AM BUT I THINK IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO -- TO PROTECT THIS
11:47:10AM BODY IN THE FUTURE.
11:47:11AM AND WE NEED GOOD PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THESE OFFICES.
11:47:15AM IF WE SET IT FOR OCTOBER AND SET IT FOR -- WHEN OUR TERM
11:47:20AM RUNS OUT OR THE NEXT TERM.
11:47:21AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PROTECTING THIS BODY FOR PAYING
11:47:25AM ENOUGH FOR SOMEBODY TO WORK HERE.
11:47:26AM IT IS REALLY MORE THAN A FULL-TIME JOB.
11:47:28AM NOT A PART-TIME JOB.
11:47:30AM EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
11:47:31AM WE ARE ONLY HERE CERTAIN DAYS AND WORKING THE REST OF THE
11:47:33AM TIME DAY AND NIGHT ON ISSUES.
11:47:35AM NOT FOR US, BUT TO PROTECT THE INSTITUTION.
11:47:37AM YOU CAN'T -- MOST PEOPLE WON'T GIVE UP THEIR JOB BECAUSE THE
11:47:44AM JOBS PAY A LOT MORE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
11:47:46AM I THINK -- AND I WANT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT RELATED TO THIS
11:47:49AM TOO, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE -- I THINK WE SHOULD PUT IN
11:47:52AM THE CHARTER SOME KIND OF FORMULA FOR THE MAYOR TO SET THE
11:47:56AM MAYOR'S SALARY, BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S SALARY BY CHARTER IS SET
11:47:59AM BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
11:48:01AM AND THAT -- THERE SHOULD BE A -- A FORMULA BASED ON THAT
11:48:06AM WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE MAYOR.
11:48:09AM WHY IS IT THAT THE MAYOR CAN GET $160,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS
11:48:13AM -- $180,000 WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS WAY TOO SMALL FOR A $2
11:48:19AM BILLION ORGANIZATION.
11:48:20AM I LIVED IN SINGAPORE AND I STUDIED GREAT CITIES IN THE
11:48:24AM UNITED STATES THAT ARE RUN VERY WELL AND I STURDY CITIES IN
11:48:26AM OTHER PLACES THEY PAY MORE.
11:48:29AM YOU CAN'T JUST COMPARE YOURSELF TO SMALL TOWNS AROUND HERE.
11:48:32AM YOU HAVE TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO SOME OF THE BEST CITIES.
11:48:36AM I AM NOT SAYING PAY $1 MILLION A YEAR BUT THE MAYOR --
11:48:40AM THE CEO OF A $2 BILLION ORGANIZATION SHOULD GET MUCH, MUCH
11:48:45AM MORE THAN $180,000 AND CITY COUNCIL SHOULD AT LEAST GET 50%
11:48:49AM OF US.
11:48:50AM ARE YOU SAYING WE DO -- THAT WE DO ONLY 10% OR 20% THE WORK
11:48:55AM OF A MAYOR, AT LEAST 50% OF THE WORK OF THE MAYOR.
11:48:59AM WHY WOULDN'T WE GET 50% OR 630%.
11:49:02AM NOT ABOUT US ENRICHING OURSELVES.
11:49:04AM WE CAN ALL TURN IT DOWN, BUT IN THE FUTURE WE NEED THE BEST
11:49:08AM AND BRIGHTEST.
11:49:09AM SINGAPORE, THEY PAY THE SAME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHICH WE
11:49:13AM COULD NEVER DO.
11:49:14AM AND DO THAT BECAUSE NO CORRUPTION.
11:49:15AM SO NOBODY WILL BE ENTICED INTO DOING THINGS THAT THEY
11:49:19AM SHOULDN'T DO.
11:49:20AM NOBODY HERE HAVEN'T DONE THAT, AND IN THE PAST STORIES OF
11:49:24AM THAT.
11:49:25AM WE NEED TO PROTECT THE CITY FOR THE FUTURE MAKING IT VIABLE
11:49:27AM JOB FOR THE VERY SMART PEOPLE TO COME IN.
11:49:30AM BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE SEVEN OF US ARE IN CHARGE OF THAT $2
11:49:35AM BILLION ORGANIZATION AS WELL.
11:49:36AM THANK YOU.
11:49:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:49:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:49:40AM YOU KNOW YESTERDAY I WAS HERE AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, THIS
11:49:44AM IS MY HAPPY PLACE.
11:49:45AM I KNOW IT SOUNDS CHEESY, BUT I LOVE COMING TO CITY HALL.
11:49:48AM AND IN THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS SALARY STUFF AND WHATNOT,
11:49:52AM WHEN I WAS A KID, I WANTED TO BE A HEART SURGEON.
11:49:55AM WHY?
11:49:55AM BECAUSE I WANTED TO HELP PEOPLE.
11:49:56AM AS I GREW UP, I WANTED TO BE AN ATTORNEY.
11:50:00AM WHY?
11:50:01AM BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND PEOPLE, HELP PEOPLE.
11:50:03AM BUT I WAS INSPIRED WHEN I WAS -- PROBABLY ABOUT 16 YEARS OLD
11:50:08AM THAT I WANTED TO RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.
11:50:09AM EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT ONE DAY AND
11:50:12AM WHATEVER.
11:50:13AM BUT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS INSPIRED ME TO.
11:50:16AM PEOPLE ASK WHY DID YOU RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL.
11:50:18AM WHY NOT CONGRESS OR STATE REPRESENTATIVE OR WHATEVER.
11:50:21AM BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE AND HELP THE
11:50:23AM PEOPLE AND SERVE THE PEOPLE.
11:50:24AM PEOPLE ASK ME, WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE PART OF -- WHAT IS YOUR
11:50:28AM FAVORITE PART OF THE JOB?
11:50:29AM I SAID WHEN I AM ABLE TO HELP SOMEBODY.
11:50:31AM WHEN I AM ABLE TO SEE THAT I PUT A SMILE ON SOMEBODY'S FACE
11:50:36AM BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO ASSIST IN SOMETHING AND BE
11:50:40AM RESPONSIVE LIKE FILL A POTHOLE OR FIX SOME KIND OF FLOODING
11:50:44AM OR GET THEIR TRASH PICKED UP.
11:50:46AM THE POINT I AM MAKING NEVER ABOUT THE MONEY.
11:50:48AM YEAH, HEART SURGEON CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
11:50:51AM ATTORNEYS CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
11:50:55AM COMING HERE WAS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
11:50:57AM WE GET HEALTH INSURANCE.
11:50:59AM 24-HOUR PARKING IS A SPACE.
11:51:00AM WE GET TO GO TO EVENTS.
11:51:02AM WE GET INVITED TO LUNCHES.
11:51:04AM A LOT OF GREAT THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS NEVER ABOUT THE
11:51:07AM MONEY.
11:51:07AM IT IS NEVER -- UNTIL THIS CAME UP AND I APPRECIATE.
11:51:12AM I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT AND EVERYTHING.
11:51:14AM I AM NOT HERE FOR THAT.
11:51:15AM WHETHER IT IS A 3% INCREASE OR 42% INCREASE, I GET A
11:51:20AM PAYCHECK EVERY TWO WEEKS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY DOES AND I LIVE
11:51:23AM WITHIN THOSE MEANS.
11:51:23AM SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAYS, YOU
11:51:29AM WANT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
11:51:31AM A HUGE BUDGET.
11:51:32AM A HUGE CITY.
11:51:33AM BUT JUST -- I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD DISENCHANTED, BUT,
11:51:37AM AGAIN, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
11:51:38AM IT IS ABOUT THE PUBLIC SERVICE.
11:51:41AM SO, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE OCTOBER 6, FINE.
11:51:45AM BUT, AGAIN, IT IS ABOUT GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
11:51:47AM THANK YOU.
11:51:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:51:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T DISAGREE IT IS ABOUT GIVING BACK TO
11:51:54AM THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO LIVE.
11:51:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I KNOW.
11:51:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND AS I FOUND, IT IS INCREDIBLY HARD TO KEEP
11:52:02AM MY OTHER JOB IN ADDITION TO THIS.
11:52:04AM SO I -- I SEE HOW THE STRUGGLE IS.
11:52:08AM BUT WHAT IS AMAZES ME ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE A FIGHT OF THIS,
11:52:12AM BUT WE DON'T EVER TALK OF THE MAYOR'S SALARY, $180,000.
11:52:16AM I THINK THAT IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE.
11:52:18AM LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, I DON'T THINK IT IS ENOUGH.
11:52:21AM I MEAN, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY -- YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO
11:52:28AM -- WE ARE NOT DOING A VOW OF POVERTY WHEN WE SAY WE WANT TO
11:52:32AM BE PUBLIC SERVANTS.
11:52:34AM I DON'T -- I DON'T LIKE THAT.
11:52:36AM I DON'T THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
11:52:38AM WE STILL HAVE TO SURVIVE.
11:52:39AM WE STILL HAVE TO LIVE OUR LIVES.
11:52:42AM WE HAVE TO PAY OUR MORTGAGES OR OUR RENTS OR WHATEVER ELSE
11:52:46AM WE WANT TO DO.
11:52:47AM YES, WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS, BUT BY DOING
11:52:50AM THIS, WE ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE WITHIN DIFFERENT MEANS THAN
11:52:54AM THE MEANS WE ALREADY HAVE.
11:52:56AM WE ARE HAVING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE DO FOR OUR
11:53:00AM OTHER JOBS.
11:53:01AM SO I JUST DON'T SEE THE BIG DRAMA IN THIS.
11:53:06AM AND IF WE ARE GOING HAVE DRAMA IN IT, IT SHOULD BE ALL OF
11:53:09AM US.
11:53:10AM THE MAYOR SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION TOO.
11:53:13AM I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL AGREE THAT THE MAYOR DOESN'T
11:53:17AM DESERVE $180,000.
11:53:19AM IF YOU THINK WE ONLY DO A THIRD OF THE WORK, I DISAGREE WITH
11:53:22AM THAT.
11:53:22AM I JUST -- IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT MONETARILY, NONE OF GET
11:53:28AM INVOLVED FOR THAT.
11:53:29AM TO BE HONEST I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE GOT A VALERIE, SORT
11:53:33AM OF, IDEAL WE GOT INTO IT.
11:53:36AM I HAVEN'T HAD A W 2 OR WHATEVER IN 15 YEARS.
11:53:39AM I -- I JUST WISH WE COULD AGREE THAT -- THAT GOVERNMENT IS
11:53:44AM WORTH MONEY.
11:53:46AM WE ARE WORTH IT.
11:53:47AM WE AS A BODY ARE WORTH THE TIME THAT WE PUT IN HERE.
11:53:52AM IF WE WANT TO ADD DAYS TO THE SCHEDULE, AWESOME.
11:53:55AM LET'S DO IT.
11:53:56AM LET'S ALL BE HERE.
11:53:57AM IF WE WANT TO BE HERE EVERY DAY.
11:53:59AM IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARTER SO COUNCIL IS CONSIDERED
11:54:03AM FULL TIME, I THINK IT IS WELL -- WELL IN THE TIME TO DO THAT
11:54:06AM BECAUSE WE ARE A CITY OF 400,000 PEOPLE.
11:54:08AM WE ARE DOING -- WE ARE DOING AMAZING THINGS.
11:54:11AM AND THE MAJOR HAS STARTED SOME PHENOMENAL PROGRAMS THAT WE,
11:54:16AM AS A COUNCIL, ARE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT.
11:54:19AM I JUST WISH WE COULD STOP FIGHTING AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON
11:54:27AM SAID.
11:54:27AM THIS IS BROUGHT UP BY THE MEDIA AND THE MEDIA IS GOING
11:54:30AM WILDLY ABOUT IT.
11:54:31AM WE -- AS A BODY -- I WOULD BE HAPPY TO NOT TAKE -- I WOULD
11:54:35AM BE HAPPY TO SEND IT FORWARD, BUT I AGREE, WE NEED SOME SORT
11:54:39AM OF FORMULA GOING FORWARD SO WE DON'T DO THIS AGAIN AND PUTS
11:54:43AM THIS ON ANOTHER COUNCIL AGAIN.
11:54:45AM MAKE A FORMULA.
11:54:46AM HALF OF WHAT THE MAYOR MAKES.
11:54:48AM HALF OF WHAT COUNTY COMMISSION MAKES.
11:54:49AM HOWEVER THAT FORMULA IS, LET'S DO THAT SO NO OTHER COUNCIL
11:54:55AM EVER HAS TO HAVE THIS FIGHT AGAINST.
11:54:56AM BECAUSE THIS SHOULDN'T BE -- THIS SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING
11:54:59AM THAT -- THAT VOTERS ARE GOING TO ARGUE WITH US ABOUT.
11:55:02AM THEY SHOULD BE TALKING TO US ABOUT ISSUES.
11:55:04AM NOT HOW MUCH MONEY THIS JOB PAYS.
11:55:06AM LET'S JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT
11:55:12AM AGAIN.
11:55:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:55:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME JUST SAY THERE HAS BEEN SOME
11:55:18AM REFERENCE INDIRECTLY THAT THERE ARE LEAKS TO THE MEDIA.
11:55:20AM ANYBODY WANT TO GIVE ME A LIE DETECTSER TEST.
11:55:24AM I NEVER SPOKE TO ANY MEDIA ABOUT ANY SALARY OR ANYTHING.
11:55:27AM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
11:55:28AM WHOEVER ASKS ME, I WILL ASK THEM TO DO THE SAME THING
11:55:33AM FOR ME.
11:55:34AM I AM WAITS FOR THAT.
11:55:36AM WELL WITH ALL THIS KINDS OF STUFF.
11:55:40AM SALARY, EVERY YEAR A RAISE AND WE LET GO 700 SOME PEOPLE
11:55:46AM UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION.
11:55:49AM SHE DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF RIDING THE CRISIS AND DOING THE
11:55:52AM BEST SHE COULD DO WHEN THERE WAS LITTLE INCOME TO DO IT
11:55:56AM WITH, PERIODS.
11:55:56AM SHE HELD THE FEET TO THE FIRE AND KEPT THIS CITY RUNNING
11:56:01AM WITH VERY LEVEL CASH.
11:56:02AM SO SHE SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED; HOWEVER, THIS IS STILL A
11:56:08AM PUBLIC SERVICE.
11:56:09AM AND INDIVIDUALS WHO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OR DON'T MAKE MONEY
11:56:13AM WILL STILL SEEK THIS OFFICE.
11:56:14AM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
11:56:16AM IN MY CASE, I WORK TWO JOBS.
11:56:20AM AND I AM GOING TO BE 82.
11:56:22AM AND I WANT TO DO BOTH JOBS UNTIL THE DAY I DIE.
11:56:26AM SO FOR ME, WORK DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
11:56:30AM I SLEEP FOUR OR FIVE HOURS A DAY.
11:56:33AM COME INTO MY WORLD, AND MONEY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
11:56:36AM I MET MY OBLIGATION WITH MY WHOLE FAMILY WITH MY WIFE.
11:56:41AM WE PLANNED IT THIS WAY.
11:56:42AM AT THE END OF THE DAY, I AM THE RECIPIENT OF ALL THE FRUIT
11:56:48AM BECAUSE SHE IS NOT HERE.
11:56:49AM IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE WORK TUESDAY OR THURSDAY, OR
11:56:53AM WHATEVER YOU WANT.
11:56:54AM YOU WANT REALLY TRANSPARENCY AND ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE,
11:56:57AM YOU JUST DON'T PASS THE WHOLE THING.
11:56:59AM I MOVE THIS AND IT GOES BACK.
11:57:01AM EVERY ITEM IS DISCUSSED UNTIL YOU PASS THEM ALL.
11:57:05AM THAT IS HOW YOU GET THE REAL PICTURE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
11:57:09AM AND HOW YOU GET IT DONE.
11:57:10AM WE HAVE A LOT OF ADVANTAGES THAT THE COUNCILMEMBERS BEFORE
11:57:14AM US NEVER HAD.
11:57:15AM NEVER HAD.
11:57:16AM AND YOU DIDN'T GET A STIPEND AT THE ENDS OF THE MONTH.
11:57:23AM A LITTLE CHECK COMING IN.
11:57:25AM THAT WASN'T THERE.
11:57:26AM A VALERIE WHATEVER IT WAS, $9600 A YEAR AND THAT WAS IT.
11:57:31AM THOSE SALARIES DIDN'T JUMP EVER.
11:57:33AM I GOT THE SCHEDULE IN THE OFFICE THAT I ASKED FOR.
11:57:36AM SO I AM NOT AGAINST RACES.
11:57:38AM D -- NOT AGAINST RAISES.
11:57:41AM I AM AGAINST GETTING A BIG RAISE AT ONE TIME.
11:57:44AM GET IT INCREMENTS ALLEY AND TIE IT WHAT THE GENERAL
11:57:47AM EMPLOYEES GETS AND 1 TO 2%.
11:57:50AM BUT TO DO IT ALL IN ONE CRACK BECAUSE THAT CRACK BECOMES
11:57:53AM MORE AND MORE, 4% OF $53,000 IS ONE THING.
11:57:58AM 4% OF $72,000, YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
11:58:01AM IT IS ALMOST DOUBLE.
11:58:05AM SO THE INCREMENT OF INTEREST -- THE INCREMENT OF SALARY THAT
11:58:11AM INCREMENTSES WHEN YOU GO FROM 53 TO 72, JUST AS GENERAL
11:58:17AM EMPLOYEES, YOU ARE FAR AWAY GOING QUICKER AND HIGHER THAN
11:58:21AM EVER BEFORE.
11:58:21AM THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
11:58:24AM I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT NOT A RAISE, I AM TALKING ABOUT GET A
11:58:28AM RAISE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
11:58:29AM AND WITH LONGEVITY, YOU WILL HAVE IT IN DUE TIME.
11:58:33AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:58:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:58:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO DO THIS OVER AND
11:58:41AM OVER AGAIN.
11:58:42AM SORRY TO DO THIS.
11:58:44AM BUT COUNCILMAN GUDES ALREADY ARE YOU CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT
11:58:46AM SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE WOULD LIKE CITY ATTORNEY TO COME BACK
11:58:51AM NEXT WEEK WITH AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THAT WOULD ACCEPT THE
11:58:58AM MAYOR'S RECOMMENDED SALARY FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ON
11:59:04AM OCTOBER 1 EACH YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL'S SALARY SET AT 50% OF
11:59:11AM THE MAYOR'S SALARY.
11:59:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT -- IF YOU CAN
11:59:20AM BIND FUTURE CITY COUNCILS OR FUTURE BUDGETARY
11:59:25AM MATTERS TYING IT THAT WAY, MR. MASSEY, THAT IS MY OPINION
11:59:27AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: EVERY YEAR THE BUDGET HAS TO SET OUT THE
11:59:29AM SALARY OF ALL THE OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES.
11:59:32AM THAT'S HOW WE DO IT EVERY YEAR.
11:59:34AM WE TYPICALLY DON'T FIND THEM.
11:59:36AM I THINK IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A FORMULA BUILT IN,
11:59:40AM FRANKLY THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES MORE SENSE, LIKE
11:59:44AM CHARTER DISCUSSION.
11:59:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND I DON'T WANT TO BRING IT BACK AS A
11:59:48AM CHARTER, BUT WHY DON'T WE SAY JUST ADD TO THAT SUBJECT TO
11:59:54AM APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, WHICH
11:59:58AM FOLLOWS THE LAW AND CHARTER?
12:00:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MASSEY AND MAYBE THE CHIEF OF STAFF
12:00:07PM WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK TO THIS.
12:00:09PM THE WAY THE SALARIES ARE SET NOW THERE'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATE
12:00:12PM FUND WHERE THE MONEYS ARE PLACED FOR TERMINATION OF
12:00:15PM INCREASES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE, FOR INSTANCE, MERIT
12:00:21PM INCREASES AND THE LIKE.
12:00:23PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BUT THE CHARTER DOES SAY BUT FOR ELECTED
12:00:26PM OFFICERS, IT HAS TO BE DONE BY A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE
12:00:32PM APPROVED BY A MAJORITY OF YOU ALL AND RECOMMENDED BY THE
12:00:34PM MAYOR.
12:00:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND JUST AS A POINT OF HISTORICAL
12:00:38PM REFERENCE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WHAT THE COUNCIL'S SALARY
12:00:45PM WAS.
12:00:46PM I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE MID 30s, $30,000.
12:00:52PM 2004 --
12:00:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:01:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS A RESOLUTION
12:01:06PM THAT RAISED IT TO 50,000.
12:01:09PM I DON'T RECALL THE AMOUNT.
12:01:10PM I DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF ME BUT I DO RECALL THE
12:01:12PM RESOLUTION.
12:01:13PM SINCE THAT TIME WHATEVER THE COST OF LIVING THAT WAS APPLIED
12:01:16PM TO I GUESS THE MANAGERIAL OR SUPERVISORY --
12:01:20PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY
12:01:22PM MR. PERRY, OUR PRESENT DIRECTOR, THAT A COST OF LIVING
12:01:26PM INCREASE IS REFLECT UNDERSTOOD LINE ITEM FOR YOUR SALARY SO
12:01:31PM WHEN YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET IF IT REFLECTS YOUR SALARY AND
12:01:35PM THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE, AND SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN
12:01:37PM THE BUDGET, THEN THAT MEETS THE PARAMETERS OF --
12:01:42PM >> MR. CHAIR, I COULD JUST -- IF I COULD MODIFY MY
12:01:46PM AMENDMENT.
12:01:47PM WE CAN PASS WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING BY RESOLUTION TODAY.
12:01:49PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION OR BUDGET
12:01:58PM RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE BUDGET TO INCREASE YOUR SALARIES PER
12:02:00PM THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE
12:02:02PM ADMINISTRATION.
12:02:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME RUN THIS BY YOU REAL FAST.
12:02:08PM IF WE HAD AN AMENDMENT THAT SAID BY RESOLUTION TODAY THAT
12:02:11PM THE CITY COUNCIL ACCEPTS THE MAYOR'S SALARY RECOMMENDATIONS
12:02:15PM TO COUNCIL, AND THAT CITY COUNCIL SUGGESTS THE CITY COUNCIL
12:02:25PM SALARIES IN FUTURE BUDGET APPROVALS, IN FUTURE BUDGETS WOULD
12:02:30PM BE SET UP TO BE 50% OF THE MAYOR'S SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY
12:02:33PM THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND THE BUDGET.
12:02:35PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: NUMBER ONE, IT WOULD NOT BE A RESOLUTION.
12:02:41PM THAT WOULD BE A MOTION FOR TO US BRING FORWARD A RESOLUTION
12:02:43PM FOR YOU TO VOTE ON, FOR THE SALARY INCREASE THIS YEAR.
12:02:47PM FUTURE BUDGET YEARS, OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD ASK US TO DO THAT,
12:02:52PM YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S SUBJECT TO FINANCIAL AVAILABILITY AND
12:02:56PM THE BUDGET, BUT --
12:02:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT IS WE DON'T HAVE TO EVERY YEAR
12:03:01PM COME BACK AND SET WHAT THE PAY SHOULD BE.
12:03:04PM THE STAFF WOULD AUTOMATICALLY START WITH 50% AND THEN IF IT
12:03:07PM IS NOT POSSIBLE, THEN IN THE BUDGET WE CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE
12:03:12PM WITH IT.
12:03:13PM ULTIMATELY, ITS APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET.
12:03:15PM BUT THE IDEA IS THAT INSTEAD -- WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SET
12:03:19PM THE FORMULA.
12:03:20PM I AGREE IT SHOULD BE MODIFIED IN THE CHARTER BUT FOR RIGHT
12:03:22PM NOW IF WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING TODAY, TAKE -- IT'S
12:03:26PM INTERESTING THERE'S MORE MEDIA SCRUTINY ABOUT CITY COUNCIL'S
12:03:29PM $20,000 PAY INCREASE THAN THERE IS ABOUT TOILET TO TAP OR
12:03:33PM HANNA AVENUE OR ANY OF THESE WASTE OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS,
12:03:37PM AND I'M APPALLED BY HOW THESE STORIES ARE BEING PUSHED
12:03:43PM INSTEAD OF THE FACTUAL STORIES THAT ARE SUBSTANTIVE THAT ARE
12:03:48PM CONCERNS BY THE COMMUNITY.
12:03:49PM BUT HOW CAN WE MOVE THIS FORWARD TODAY?
12:03:51PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK YOU ARE ASKING -- I THINK WHAT'S
12:03:56PM BEING PROPOSED BY MR. GUDES AND BY YOU AND ARE KIND OF
12:04:02PM SEPARATE MEASURES, ONE IS A MOTION ASKING US TO BRING FORTH
12:04:06PM A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION NEXT WEEK THAT YOU ALL WOULD VOTE ON
12:04:09PM ABOUT ADJUSTING YOUR SALARY FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR, AND THEN
12:04:13PM COMING FORWARD WITH MAYBE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION ABOUT HOW
12:04:16PM YOUR SALARIES WOULD BE SET OR FORMULATED, IDEALLY IN THE
12:04:21PM FUTURE, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET.
12:04:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OR DEPENDING ON 6.06.
12:04:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: UNLESS SOMEBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT I WILL
12:04:35PM WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND LET MR. GUDES MAKE HIS MOTION AND
12:04:39PM WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AT THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
12:04:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE MOTION I MADE -- [OFF MICROPHONE] BE
12:04:49PM APPROVED AND SETTING A RESOLUTION.
12:04:56PM PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
12:04:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME ALSO CLEAR MY AIR ANYWAY.
12:05:04PM I HAVE NEVER TALKED TO THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT A RAISE FOR
12:05:07PM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:05:07PM I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO HOW IT CAME OUT TO
12:05:11PM THAT, SPEAK TO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR WHATEVER.
12:05:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY
12:05:21PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:05:26PM HANG ON, PLEASE, MARTY.
12:05:32PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:05:35PM END DISCUSSION.
12:05:36PM I WILL HAVE MY STATEMENT.
12:05:40PM CHIEF BENNETT WAS HERE, ON TV, DISCUSSING A POSSIBLE RAISE
12:05:48PM FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:05:51PM I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT PICKED OUT IN THE PRESS.
12:05:56PM SOMEONE IS SAYING, WE NEED TO PAY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE WANT
12:05:59PM THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST.
12:06:06PM NOT THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST ABOUT HOW THE CITY CAN BE
12:06:09PM RUN?
12:06:10PM A WOMAN WHO IS WITH A PTA CAN'T DECIDE ON HOW THIS CITY
12:06:15PM SHOULD BE RUN?
12:06:16PM I THINK WE HAVE THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST RIGHT HERE.
12:06:19PM I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO WHEN I RAN FOR THIS
12:06:26PM OFFICE AND I KNEW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT PAID.
12:06:31PM ME PERSONALLY, I AM NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE MONEY TRAIN IN
12:06:34PM THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACK.
12:06:36PM I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT.
12:06:38PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:06:39PM EXCUSE ME, CHIEF BENNETT.
12:06:40PM >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
12:06:43PM I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT THAT APPROXIMATELY A YEAR
12:06:46PM AGO, IT WAS NOT A MOTION BUT IT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE DAIS
12:06:51PM TO EXAMINE COUNCIL'S SALARY.
12:06:54PM THERE WAS NO POLITICAL AGENDA BEHIND IT.
12:06:57PM IT WAS A MARKET ANALYSIS, NOT A RAISE ANALYSIS, NOT A MERIT
12:07:02PM ANALYSIS, BUT A MARKET ANALYSIS BASED ON MEASURABLE FACTS,
12:07:07PM AND BROUGHT BACK, AND NOT ATTACHED TO COUNCIL'S BUDGET,
12:07:11PM WHICH WAS APPROVED TWO DAYS AGO.
12:07:13PM IT WAS PLACED IN PERSONNEL RESERVES, AND THEN IT WAS MOVED
12:07:18PM INTO GENERAL FUND OPERATING RESERVES, UNTIL SUCH TIME IF
12:07:23PM COUNCIL PER CHARTER 6.06 VOTES TO BRING IT BACK UP FOR
12:07:30PM CONSIDERATION IN ALL OR PART OR NONE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT
12:07:33PM I AM HEARING TODAY AS A MOTION TO BRING BACK ON THE 6th.
12:07:37PM SO THIS WILL BE A COUNCIL-INITIATED MOTION BASED ON THE
12:07:41PM MARKET ANALYSIS THAT THAT MONEY IS SITTING IN A GENERAL FUND
12:07:45PM RIGHT NOW, AND IF IT'S BROUGHT BACK IN ALL OR PART OR NONE,
12:07:48PM THEN OF COURSE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT WOULD FOLLOW THAT.
12:07:51PM THAT'S A COUNCIL PER CHARTER MOTION.
12:07:54PM THAT'S IT.
12:07:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY MOTION, MR. SHELBY JUST CAME TO ME AND
12:08:03PM WAS TELLING ME, AND I'M A PERSON, I LIKE TO PUT THINGS TO
12:08:08PM BED.
12:08:11PM I SAID THE 6th ON THE MOTION BUT IT CAN BE PUT TO BED
12:08:14PM TODAY.
12:08:14PM SO IF WE WANT IT, WE WANT IT.
12:08:16PM IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T.
12:08:17PM TAKE THE VOTE.
12:08:19PM RESTATE THE MOTION.
12:08:20PM SAME CRITERIA, AND PUT IT TO BED TODAY.
12:08:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:08:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE, MR. SHELBY.
12:08:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN EFFECT WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT IT'S A
12:08:37PM VOTE TODAY TO EITHER BRING SOMETHING BACK ON THE 6th OR
12:08:40PM NOT.
12:08:42PM SO, IN EFFECT, IT IS DETERMINATIVE TODAY HOW THE VOTE GOES
12:08:47PM IF WHETHER IT WILL COME BACK ON THE 6th, BECAUSE IF IT
12:08:50PM DOESN'T COME BACK ON THE 6th IT'S OFF THE TABLE.
12:08:52PM THAT'S WHAT I WANT COUNCIL TO BE CLEAR ABOUT.
12:08:55PM AND IF THERE WHATS A MOTION TO AMEND, PERHAPS A MOTION TO
12:09:00PM SET AN AMOUNT, THAT'S TOTALLY WITHIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW.
12:09:04PM IT'S NOT A POLICY.
12:09:04PM IT'S NOT WHAT I AM SUGGESTING.
12:09:06PM BUT I AM SAYING TO YOU THE PRACTICAL EFFECT ON THIS VOTE
12:09:09PM TODAY IS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER COUNCIL IS
12:09:12PM GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AS STATED BY MR. GUDES.
12:09:16PM >> CORRECT.
12:09:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:09:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TWO THINGS REAL FAST.
12:09:24PM IN TERMS OF WHETHER THIS QUOTE-UNQUOTE, PUSHING STORIES, BUT
12:09:30PM OUT OF A THOUSAND-PLUS PAGES IN THE BUDGET, WITH LOTS OF
12:09:33PM AREAS THAT NEED TRANSPARENCY, LIKE HANNA AVENUE, TOILET TO
12:09:37PM TAP, ET CETERA, SOMEHOW THIS WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT IT NEEDED
12:09:40PM TO BE CREATED -- PARADED IN FRONT OF THE MEDIA AND ENDED UP
12:09:45PM CAPTURING ALL THE ATTENTION OF THE MEDIA RATHER THAN THE
12:09:48PM REST OF THE BUDGET WHICH I PROBABLY VOTED AGAINST.
12:09:50PM THE SECOND THING YOU MAUVE SEEN IN A STORY TODAY THAT SAYS
12:09:55PM EMPLOYERS, IF YOU WANT TO HIRE SOMEBODY, YOU HAVE TO OFFER A
12:09:58PM STARTING SALARY OF 71,000.
12:10:00PM AND WHEN I GRADUATED COLLEGE, IF YOU EARNED 24,000 THAT WAS
12:10:05PM A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
12:10:07PM AND IN TAMPA, I DON'T THINK MOST STARTING SALARIES ARE
12:10:10PM 71,000, BUT WHAT THE REASON WHY WE ARE FACING A HOUSING
12:10:14PM SHORTAGE IS BECAUSE WAGE INFLATION HAS NOT KEPT UP WITH
12:10:19PM HOUSING PRICES AND OTHER COSTS.
12:10:20PM SO THE REALITY IS THAT REST OF THE COUNTRY, WHAT CITY
12:10:25PM COUNCIL IS GETTING PAID AS A STARTING SALARY FOR A COLLEGE
12:10:29PM GRAD.
12:10:29PM AND YES, ALL KIND OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR
12:10:35PM THIS, BUT THE SALARIES ARE GOING UP BEYOND WHAT WE ALL
12:10:38PM EXPERIENCED AS WE WERE GROWING UP.
12:10:41PM AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE FOR ME THIS IS GO THE
12:10:46PM INTEGRITY OF THIS ORGANIZATION GOING FORWARD.
12:10:51PM I'M LUCKY ENOUGH THAT I CAN TURN DOWN MOST BENEFITS, AND I
12:10:54PM MAY OR MAY NOT TURN DOWN THIS INCREASE, BUT FOR THE FUTURE
12:10:59PM OF THE ORGANIZATION, WE NEED TO PUT SOME KIND OF POSITION IN
12:11:03PM PLACE SO THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS NOT TREATED AS AN
12:11:06PM AFTER-THOUGHT AND AS A RUBBER STAMP.
12:11:09PM IT NEEDS TO BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS EMPLOYMENT
12:11:11PM DISCUSSIONS THAT COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK TALKED ABOUT.
12:11:15PM THANK YOU.
12:11:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN FACT, I LOOKED AT THE SAME THREE
12:11:20PM CITIES.
12:11:20PM I DIDN'T LOOK AT POPULATION, I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET, I
12:11:23PM LOOKED AT THEY WERE ELECTED JUST LIKE WE WERE, AND THAT WAS
12:11:26PM MIAMI, ST. PETE AND ORLANDO.
12:11:29PM THAT WAS 60,000, 58,000, I THINK 54, 56,000.
12:11:33PM I FORGOT WHICH CITIES THEY WERE.
12:11:35PM SO I AM NOT OPPOSED TO A 6% RAISE WHICH GIVES YOU 53 AND
12:11:39PM THREE TIMES 6 IS 56 -- I MEAN 3,000, AND YOU ARE GOING TO
12:11:43PM GET ABOUT $4,000 RAISE BY THE TIME YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
12:11:47PM SO EVERY YEAR YOU ARE GOING TO GET SOMETHING 4, 4.5,
12:11:51PM WHATEVER COST OF LIVING IS.
12:11:53PM AND IN A VERY SHORT TIME YOU ARE GOING TO GET THERE WHAT YOU
12:11:55PM ARE TALKING ABOUT. I AM NOT AGAINST RAISING.
12:11:57PM WHAT I AM AGAINST IS THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WE ARE
12:12:00PM TALKING ABOUT, AND THERE'S MORE OF THEM THAN THERE ARE UP
12:12:03PM HERE, DON'T HAVE THAT SAME RAISE COMING TO THEM.
12:12:08PM THAT'S ALL.
12:12:09PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:12:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, I AM GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND
12:12:13PM THEN WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE VOTE.
12:12:15PM THE INTEGRITY OF INTEGRITY OF CITY COUNCIL SHOULDN'T BE
12:12:19PM BASED ON PAY, IT SHOULD BE HOW THEY VOTE, AND HOW THEY CARE.
12:12:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET'S HOPE.
12:12:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LOOKING AT THE HEADLINES, SOME PAPER, SOME
12:12:32PM TABLOID, SOME NEWS THINGS, THAT SAYS CITY COUNCIL SPENDS
12:12:35PM MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT THEIR WAGES THAN SUBPOENA POWER.
12:12:39PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:12:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:12:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
12:12:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
12:12:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:12:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:12:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
12:12:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GOING TO SAY HECK NO.
12:13:03PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH VIERA, EXCUSE ME, VIERA,
12:13:19PM MANISCALCO, MIRANDA, AND CITRO VOTING NO.
12:13:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN
12:13:31PM MANISCALCO.
12:13:31PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:13:33PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:13:34PM WE ARE IN RECESS TILL 5:01.
12:13:36PM [SOUNDING GAVEL]
12:13:38PM [MEETING ADJOURNED]
12:13:47PM
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