CRA SPECIAL CALL MEETING
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 19, 2022
9:00 A.M.


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9:07:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD MORNING.
I CALL THIS CRA SPECIAL CALL MEETING TO ORDER.
LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE AN INVOCATION THIS MORNING?
NO.
OKAY.
MOVING ALONG.
LET'S SEE, COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
9:08:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:08:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
9:08:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:08:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:08:17AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:08:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA
WILL BE HERE AT 9:30.
TRAFFIC IS THICK TODAY.
SO, MR. MASSEY, DO YOU WANT TO REVIEW THE RULES PERTAINING
TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND PARTICIPATION IN THE MEETING TODAY?

9:08:39AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THIS IS A SPECIAL CALL MEETING OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OR THE CRA, AT
9:00 A.M. ON OCTOBER 19, 2022 AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER
ROOMS 107 THROUGH 109, 333 SOUTH FRANKLIN STREET HERE IN
TAMPA, FLORIDA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTERVIEWING THE FINAL
CANDIDATES FOR THE POSITION OF CRA DIRECTOR.
THIS PUBLIC MEETING PERTAINS SOLELY TO THE PUBLIC INTERVIEWS
OF THE FINAL FOUR CANDIDATES.
THE SELECTION OF THE
CRA DIRECTOR WILL OCCUR ONE WEEK FROM TODAY ON WEDNESDAY,
OCTOBER 26, 2022, AT ANOTHER SPECIAL CALL ME OF THE CRA AT
THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING IN PERSON OR VIEW
IT BY CABLE TELEVISION ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640 OR FRONTIER
CHANNEL 15 OR VIA INTERNET, WWW.TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
THE PUBLIC IS ALSO ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER
SPEAKER, EITHER HERE IN PERSON AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION
CENTER OR VIRTUALLY BY WAY OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY
OR CMT.
HOWEVER, THE USE OF CMT DOES REQUIRE PREREGISTRATION WITH
THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
DIRECTIONS FOR PREREGISTRATION ARE INCLUDED IN THE NOTICE OF
THE MEETING AND ON THE AGENDA.
CAN I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION WAIVING THE CRA STANDARD RULES OF

PROCEDURES TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT FOR PARTICIPATION BY CMT.
9:09:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION BY GUDES AND SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MS. TRAVIS.
9:10:03AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS.
NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND DOMESTIC
OPPORTUNITY AND INTERIM CRA DIRECTOR.
THANK YOU FOR SCHEDULING THIS SPECIAL CALL MEETING TO DO THE
PUBLIC INTERVIEW OF THE CANDIDATES.
WE DO HAVE A MEET AND GREET SOCIAL.
THERE IS NO INTERVIEWING OF THE CANDIDATES THAT WILL TAKE
PLACE THIS EVENING.
THE SOCIAL WILL BE HERE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, NEXT DOOR
IN ROOMS 105 AND 106 THAT WILL TAKE PLACE AT 6:00 P.M.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GET TO KNOW THE
CANDIDATES IN A SOCIAL SETTING. THERE WILL BE REFRESHMENTS
PROVIDED THIS EVENING.
ALSO, IF THERE'S ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT PARKED IN THE
PARKING GARAGE, WE DO HAVE A CODE THAT WE CAN PAY FOR THEIR
PARKING IF THEY CAME FOR THE MEETING TODAY.
AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD FOR THE
INTERVIEWS TODAY.
IF YOU WANT THE CANDIDATES TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES PRIOR TO,

OR WE CAN TAKE THEM IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, TAKE EACH
CANDIDATE.
IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.
THE CANDIDATES ARE FREE TO SAY IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO, BUT WE
WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK IF THEY WOULD LEAVE THE ROOM SO WE
CAN INTERVIEW, YOU CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTERVIEW THE
CANDIDATES.
THEY CAN THEN COME BACK, MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION, A LITTLE
BACKGROUND, THEIR WORK EXPERIENCE, AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO
ARE QUESTIONS FROM THE CRA BOARD.
AT THAT TIME, WHEN THE CANDIDATES ARE FINISHED WITH THE
QUESTIONS, THEY ARE FREE TO GO UNTIL THE SOCIAL THIS
AFTERNOON AT 6:00 P.M.
SO IF YOU LIKE THAT ORDER, THAT'S HOW I SUGGEST.
9:11:49AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT IN
ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC CANDIDATES AS THEY INTERVIEW THE
CANDIDATES.
9:11:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN ASK A QUESTION?
MS. TRAVIS, TONIGHT'S SOCIAL, HAVE ALL CAC BOARDS AND
SUBCOMMITTEES BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS MEET AN GREET?
9:12:12AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE INVITATION WAS
SENT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEES BUT WAS A PUBLICLY NOTICED
MEETING, AND WE DID SEND IT TO ALL THE CAC BOARD MEMBERS.
BUT IF ANYONE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE WANTED TO ATTEND, IT'S
OPEN.

ABSOLUTELY.
GOOD?
9:12:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TODAY?
DO WE HAVE ONLINE?
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
WELL, THEN, OKAY.
WELCOME BACK.
9:12:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU RODE A BICYCLE.
9:12:57AM >> MY NAME IS NATHAN HAGAN.
I'M NOT SUPER ENGAGED IN THE CRA PROCESS, BUT I JUST WANT TO
EMPHASIZE AT THE INTERVIEW TODAY, THERE IS A ROLE THAT THE
CRA HAS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THIS IS A MONUMENTAL
CRISIS WE ARE FACING NOW THAT REQUIRES A GOVERNMENT RESPONSE
AND THE ATTITUDE THAT ANY DIRECTOR WOULD HAVE TOWARDS
ADDRESSING THIS CRISIS I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL.
THANK YOU.
9:13:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
9:13:33AM >> GOOD MORNING. {}
I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, GETTING THE PLACEMENT OF A CRA
DIRECTOR, AND FOR ME, IT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE IN THIS ROLE,
SEEING WHERE TAMPA IS TODAY, AND WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, IN
TERMS OF A CRA, BUT BEING IN THE TIME THAT WE ARE IN, SOME

OF THE CRA BOARD MEMBERS LEARN THAT CRA AND IN FLORIDA, ALL
OF THEM, HAVE ABOUT TEN YEARS, SO THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY
WITH THIS NEW DIRECTOR, NOT JUST BECAUSE TAMPA IS A -- OF
OUR COMMUNITY BUT BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TEN YEARS TO DO
WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO WE HAVE SEEN A LACK OF EXPERIENCE, LACK OF CONFIDENCE,
LACK OF POLITICAL WILL, LACK OF WILLINGNESS, WHAT THAT LOOKS
LIKE, BUT THIS MUCH LAST DIRECTOR AND THE LAST STAFF, WHAT
HAVE YOU, SO THIS NEW HIRE IS SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE
THE WILL, THEY HAVE THE DESIRE, THEY HAVE THE COMPASSION,
THEY HAVE PASSION, TO SEE TAMPA GROW AND HAVE AN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT ENGINE AND HOUSING AND APPROPRIATE, AFFORDABLE,
NOT AFFORDABLE, MIXED, RETAIL, JUST A MIX OF COMMUNITY SO
ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE WON'T BE ANY MORE CRA INVOLVEMENT.
SO JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CANDIDATES I KNOW THEY CAN DO
IT.
IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE WHICH ONE IS THE RIGHT ONE? BUT SOMEBODY
THAT HAS ALL OF THAT IN ADDITION TO THE EXPERIENCE.
AND THAT WOULD BE A COMPLEMENT TO THE LEADERSHIP, OF THE
LEADERSHIP THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT YOU HAVE NICOLE
TRAVIS, THAT BRINGS SUCCESSION OF LEADERSHIP TO TAMPA AS A
WHOLE, BUT PARTICULARLY THE EAST TAMPA, AND WE WOULD HOPE
THAT THE PERSON WOULD ALSO COMPLEMENT THAT STYLE OF
LEADERSHIP SO THAT WE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO
COMPLEMENT THAT WHERE WE ARE ALREADY.

SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE STAFF.
AND HAVE THE SKILLS THAT'S NECESSARY SO THEY ARE NOT OVER
WORKED TRYING TO DEVELOP A NEW HIRE DIRECTOR AND BUILD UP
THE STAFF.
IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT THAT THERE'S A SUPER URGENCY AND A
LOT OF COURSE CORRECTION TO BRING US UP TO SPEED, LIKE ALL
THE CRAs ARE MORE, BUT THIS ONE IS LIKE A SPECIAL NEEDS
CHILD BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY DIFFERENT FACETS OF DEVELOPMENT
THAT IT NEEDS.
SO WE JUST NEED SOMEBODY WITH THAT LEVEL AND THE RIGHT
AMOUNT OF WILLINGNESS.
SO I DON'T ENVY YOU FOR THIS TOUGH SELECTION BUT THAT'S ALL
I HAVE TO SAME FOR THE CANDIDATE.
THANK YOU.
9:16:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:16:21AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ALLISON HEWITT, RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA, THIRD GENERATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR MOVING ON THIS POSITION.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.
I AM ASKING THAT YOU CONSIDER WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING THE
CANDIDATES, ONE, AS I LEARNED AT THE FRA CONFERENCE, WHEN
THE EAST TAMPA, IF YOU VOTE TO EXTEND IT, ONLY HAS TEN MORE
YEARS FOR THEIR LIFETIME TO BE A CRA.
SO WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU SELECT SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS

THAT THAT'S NOT A LONG TIME, TEN YEARS.
IN POINT OF FACT IT HAS TAKEN US TWO YEARS TO GET TO THE
POINT THAT WE CAN HAVE A HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM SO
THAT'S TWO YEARS BEHIND.
SO WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU CONSIDER FOR EAST TAMPA CRA
SOMEONE WHO HAS THE TALENT AND THE KNOW-HOW TO BE ABLE TO
IMPLEMENT PROJECTS, FOR THE OTHER CRA, CENTRAL PARK, AS THE
STAFF'S WORKS COMES ALONG, IT IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT FOR THE
AREA BUT SOMEONE WHO ALSO CAN COMMIT TO REMEMBERING THE
OTHER DIVERSE ENTITIES THAT HELP MAKE THAT AREA THE HAITIAN
COMMUNITY, ITALIAN COMMUNITY, AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, SO
WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE DEVELOPING ALL AREAS OF THAT ARENA.
AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T -- THE POSTER CHILD OF WHY AND HOW A
CRA WORKS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRANSITION, THAT
THEY DO IT IN A FAIR WAY AND COMPASSIONATE WAY FOR THOSE WHO
ARE STILL IN THOSE AREAS WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE ENJOYED THE
ROBUST AND EXTENSIVE BERTH OF DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY DECISION.
I HAVE SEEN SOME OF YOUR CHOICES, AND THEY HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT SKILL SET, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN
CHALLENGES IS HOW TO NAVIGATE THE CITY POLITICS AND THE CITY
PROCESSES.
SO SOMEONE TO UNDERSTAND AND TACTFULLY PUSH THINGS THROUGH,
BECAUSE HOME OWNER OCCUPIED REHAB, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.
IT'S BEEN JUST DRAGGING ALONG.

SO SOMEONE WHO ALSO KNOWS HOW TO BALANCE THE PASSION FOR THE
COMMUNITY AND EXPERTISE TO GO THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT
PROCESS.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR MOVING ON THIS.
WE HAVE JUST A LIMITED TIME IN THE EAST TAMPA CRA
ESPECIALLY, AND WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOU IN MOVING
THE PROJECT FORWARD.
9:19:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK?
ANYBODY?
AND NO ONE ELSE ONLINE.
OKAY.
9:19:11AM >> I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT BOARD MEMBER CARLSON HAS
JOINED US.
THANK YOU.
SO WITH THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE
THE CANDIDATES IF THEY ARE WILLING TO EXCUSE THEMSELVES FROM
THE ROOM, WE'LL START WITH JEFFREY BURTON, THEN GOING IN
ALPHABETICAL ORDER BY LAST NAME.
THE OTHER CANDIDATES CAN GO TO THE AREA THAT THEY WERE IN OR
TO THE ROOM NEXT DOOR, OUT HERE, AND ESCORT THEM OUT IF THEY
ARE WILLING TO GO.
9:19:48AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IT'S TRULY VOLUNTARY SO IF YOU WANT TO
REMAIN, YOU CAN.
9:19:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CHAIR?

THANK YOU.
MS. TRAVIS, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER ON SHORT
NOTICE.
I KNOW IT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING WITH ALL THE DUTIES YOU
HAVE, AND SOME OF THE OTHER STAFF THAT YOU PULLED FROM THE
ADMINISTRATORS, SOME OF THE EXECUTIVE AIDS TO DO THE
INTERVIEWS, AND PUBLICLY SAY THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS
TOGETHER IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
9:20:16AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S OUR PLEASURE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS YOUR PROCESS TO HIRE A
CRA DIRECTOR THAT IS THE RIGHT FIT.
IT IS YOUR PROCESS.
AND AT THE END OF WHATEVER THAT SELECTION IS, NEXT WEEK
WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, AND WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT.
9:20:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
9:20:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEFORE YOU START TO THAT, THE ACTUAL WORK,
YOU KNOW, WE GAVE YOU THE GENERAL DIRECTION ON THE PROCESS,
BUT YOU AND YOUR TEAM PUT TOGETHER AN INCREDIBLY
PROFESSIONAL THOROUGH PROCESS.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY, BECAUSE ALIS AND SOME OF YOUR
OTHER STAFF MEMBERS SAT THROUGH EVERY INTERVIEW AND THAT WAS
ALL VERY HELPFUL.
THANK YOU TO YOUR WHOLE TEAM.
9:21:04AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AGAIN JUST A REMINDER FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT DID PARK
IN THE PARKING GARAGE IF YOU NEED A VOUCHER, THE VOUCHER
CODE, COME SEE ME SO WE CAN WAIVE YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENT.
JEFFREY?
AND YOU CAN START BY INTRODUCING YOURSELF GIVING US SOME
MORE HISTORY AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
9:21:30AM >>JEFFREY BURTON:
MY NAME IS THE JEFF BURTON.
I HAVE BEEN A CRA DIRECTOR FOR OVER TEN YEARS, WITH TEN
YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS A DIRECTOR.
ALSO, FOUR YEARS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OVER A CRA, AND THEN
ALSO JUST ABOUT A YEAR WORKING HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
WITH FOUR OF YOUR EIGHT CRAs.
MY BACKGROUND, I WAS BORN IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA, IN MANATEE
COUNTY.
I ATTENDED SCHOOL LOCALLY, AND WENT TO USF FOR MY BACHELORS
IN ECONOMICS, MASTERS IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, MY PH.D. AND
SUSTAINABLE REDEVELOPMENT.
OTHER THAN THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER.
ALSO, JUST RECENTLY BECAME THE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA
REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION, AND I AM CERTIFIED AS A
REDEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR WITH THEM.
9:22:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
9:22:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
AND I WILL SAY THIS TO ALL THE CANDIDATES.

THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND APPLYING.
EVERYONE IS UNIQUELY QUALIFIED WITH EQUALLY IMPRESSIVE
RESUMÉS.
I LOOKED AT YOUR RESUMÉ.
I MET WITH YOU YESTERDAY.
WE SPOKE AT LENGTH.
YOU HAVE A PH.D. IN PHILOSOPHY, CORRECT?
9:22:48AM >> YES.
9:22:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT SPECIFICALLY IN STUDYING EVERYTHING
FROM THE URBAN CORES TO URBAN RENEWAL TO -- I LOOK AT HOW
CITIES HAVE CHANGED ACROSS AMERICA, POST WORLD WAR II.
WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY.
YOU HAVE YOUR DISSERTATION THERE.
WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS, YOU MADE MENTION OF THE CHANGES IN
TAMPA THROUGH THE 1950s AND 1970s WHERE THERE WAS A LOT
OF CHANGE, WHERE WE SAW A LOT OF HISTORIC COMMUNITIES COME
APART EITHER DUE TO THE INTERNET, URBAN RENEWAL,
REDEVELOPMENT, TO BEING CONSIDERED BLIGHTED AREAS AND
WHATNOT.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK TO THE BUILD
TOWARD THE FUTURE AND UNDERSTAND THE GOOD AND THE BAD, THE
MISTAKES, THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE IN THE PAST,
BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN, AND LEARNING FROM THOSE, AND
THE CONSEQUENCES THAT WE FACE.
COMMUNITIES HAVE CHANGED.

TAMPA HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST HALF CENTURY-PLUS.
WHAT I APPRECIATED YESTERDAY WAS SEEING THAT YOU HAVE MADE
THIS PART OF YOUR LIFE AND YOUR CAREER IN STUDYING TAMPA.
I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND CRITICAL
THAT THE PERSON NEEDS TO BE FROM TAMPA, BUT THE PERSON
SHOULD HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF OUR CITY, OR BE WILLING AND
OPEN TO LEARNING OUR CITY.
AS NOW, WE HAVE MULTIPLE CRAs, EAST TAMPA IS THE BIGGEST
ONE, AND EAST TAMPA IN MY OPINION IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS THE
MOST HELP.
WE HAVE SEEN THE CRA SUCCESS IN DOWNTOWN AND THE CHANNEL
DISTRICT, WEST TAMPA BEING A NEWER CRA.
WE SEE THE SUCCESSES THERE.
BUT EAST TAMPA HISTORICALLY BEING IN MY OPINION FORGOTTEN,
AND WHICH NEEDS THE MOST HELP, BEING THAT IT IS THE LARGEST
BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU GO EAST OF THE INTERSTATE, NOT THE
INTERNET, TO THE CITY LIMITS.
IT'S SUCH -- I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY
THERE.
AND WHAT WE SEE FROM PUBLIC COMMENT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT
LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY ARE ASKING FOR HELP.
WHY IS IT THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE SUCCEEDING?
WHY DO WE HAVE STRONGER MIDDLE CLASS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT EQUITY ALL THROUGHOUT, WHERE
EAST TAMPA DESERVES.

AND THE BIGGEST CRA, EAST TAMPA DESERVE IT IS SAME RESPECT
AND INVESTMENT THAT OTHER CRAs THAT HAVE SUCCEEDED AND
FLOURISHED SO MUCH.
SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, IT'S A STATEMENT.
BUT AGAIN, AN APPRECIATION, YOU KNOW, YOU STUDIED THIS, YOU
HAVE STUDIED COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST TAMPA BUT ALL THROUGHOUT
FLORIDA, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES OF DECISIONS
THAT WERE MADE IN THE PAST, BUT ALSO HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD
TOGETHER AND MAKE BETTER DECISIONS IN LIFTING EVERYONE UP.
SO WE HAVE EQUITY ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYONE IN OUR CITY.
THANK YOU.
9:25:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
9:25:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. BURTON, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
AS YOU KNOW -- I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, WHAT'S WRONG WITH TAMPA'S CRA?
THAT'S THE QUESTION WE WANT TO KNOW, THRIVING OR NOT.
IN MY MIND -- I KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT NEVER MOVES.
SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM YOU SEE, WITH OUR CRA AS A WHOLE, AND
MOVING EAST TAMPA?
9:26:23AM >>JEFFREY BURTON:
FOR THE LAST ALMOST YEAR, I HAD THE
PRIVILEGE TO WORK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND LISTEN, LISTEN A
LOT, LISTEN TO ALL THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE BORED
ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WILL ECHO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S STATEMENT ABOUT
KNOWING THE HISTORY, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, WHERE I COMB

FROM, WE HAVE EAST PALMETTO WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO EAST
TAMPA, AND THE ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT EAST PALMETTO IS THAT
I HAVE NEVADA LIVED ON THE EAST SIDE OF PALMETTO, I NEVER
LIVED ON THE EAST SIDE OF TAMPA.
I CANNOT CLAIM TO HAVE A FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE
CULTURE, THE HISTORY.
BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS RESPECT THAT CULTURE AND HISTORY.
I CAN LEARN ABOUT IT, WHICH I HAVE DONE THROUGH MY STUDIES,
LEARNING ABOUT URBAN RENEWAL IN THE 1950s, LEARNING ABOUT
PROGRESS, VILLAGE PARK, AND THE MOVEMENT OUT, LEARNING ABOUT
CENTRAL AVENUE, AND WHAT CENTRAL AVENUE WAS, WHY IT EXISTED
BECAUSE OF JIM CROW LAWS, HOW IT WAS BUILT, WHY IT WAS
BASICALLY DESTROYED.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THAT GROWING UP IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA,
I LOOK AT CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND IT IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR
REDEVELOPMENT.
IT'S THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
MY GRANDFATHER WAS A SEA-GOING TUG, SHIP CAPTAIN, AND WE
WOULD DELIVER HIM TO THE PORT WHEN I WAS A CHILD.
AND YOU COULD SEE -- AND YOU ALL KNOW WHAT CHANNEL DISTRICT
WAS.
IT WAS A MARITIME INDUSTRIAL PLANT.
AND NOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND IT'S BEEN REDEVELOPED.
SPEAKING DIRECTLY ABOUT EAST TAMPA, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE

LOOKED AT THE LONGEVITY OF ALL THE CRAs, ALL EIGHT OF
THEM.
WE SHARED ALL OF THAT YESTERDAY, AND EAST TAMPA IS TO THE
2014 AGREEMENT WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, DUE TO WIND DOWN IN
2024.
IT WAS CREATED IN 2000 AFTER THE 2000 TO AMEND IT TO THE
STATUTE WHICH GIVES IT 40 YEARS IF YOU FOLLOW THE STATUTE.
BUT THIS IS A CHARTER COUNTY, SO YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
I HAVE ALSO STATED THAT OUT OF ALL THE CRAs, OUT OF ALL
EIGHT OF THOSE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE NEED TO START WORKING
ON NOW, IF WE WANT TO, AND THE BOARD CHOOSES TO, ON AN
EXTENSION.
WE CAN GO TO 2044.
WE SIT AND TALK WITH THE ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT 2014 AMENDMENT,
GO BACK IN AND ADJUST THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S EAST TAMPA, AND IT'S IN THE
CURRENT STATE THAT IT'S IN, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST
OF ALL TO EXTEND.
I THINK THAT HAS THE STRONGEST CASE.
WHY ISN'T EAST TAMPA MOVING FORWARD?
(NO AUDIO)

AND LOOK AT THEIR PLANS.
AND DETERMINE IF IN THE PLAN THAT WE CAN DO ANY TYPE OF

HOUSING.
AND TWO OF THE PLANS WERE YES, AND TWO OF THE PLANS WERE NO.
SO THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS, IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT,
IS MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS ARE ALL IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE
THINGS THE BOARD WANTS TO DO.
BUT THE PLANS ARE NOT THERE TO BE RESTRICTIVE.
THEY ARE THERE TO EXPAND ON WHAT THE BOARD WANTS.
WE TAUGHT IN A CLASS ABOUT THE WORD "MAY."
USE THE WORD "MAY" A LOT IN THOSE PLANS.
THAT WAY THE BOARD CAN DECIDE WHETHER IT WANTS TO DO IT OR
NOT DO IT.
YOU NEVER WANT TO USE THE WORD NEVER BUT YOU SHOULDN'T USE
THE WORD SHOULD OR COULD OR WOULD UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING YOU
REALLY HAVE TO DO.
WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT THE BOARD DESIRES.
I WAS ASKED TO SAY NO TO BOARD AND I SAID YES, ESPECIALLY TO
SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M THE PERSON YOU CAN COME TO, TO SEE
IF WE CAN DO IT, AND IF WE CAN'T DO IT WE NEED TO MAKE
ADJUSTMENTS IN THE POLICIES.
9:39:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW WOULD YOU ACTUALLY GET IT DONE?
AND MAYBE SOME INCITES AS TO WHY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BUT THESE
ARE THINGS WE VOTED ON, BUT WE VOTE ON THEM AND SAID WE WANT
THEM BUT IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN.
9:39:53AM >>JEFFREY BURTON:
MAKE SURE I HAVE A POLICY WITH MY STAFF

AND WHENEVER THE BOARD MAKES A MOTION ACCORDING TO THE
STATUTE OF THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE THOSE COMMITTED
ELECTRONICALLY, OR USING OUTLOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
DOCUMENT THESE THINGS AND WE SET A DATE FOR THEM TO BE
BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD EVEN THOUGH THE BOARD USUALLY
GIVES US A DATE TO BRING THEM BACK AND MAKE SURE WE MEET
THOSE CALENDAR ITEMS.
WHEN IT COMES TO A 30%, YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS
IT'S BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, AND WHEN IT'S BROUGHT TO MY
ATTENTION I FEEDBACK TO THE DIRECTOR AND ALIS ON DIFFERENT
WAYS THAT WE COULD LEGALLY MOVE THOSE THINGS FORWARD TO GET
BACK TO THE BOARD SO YOU KNOW IT WAS BEING WORKED ON.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS LISTEN INTENTLY TO WHAT THE BOARD'S
MOTION IS, THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, WE WOULD DOCUMENT
THAT, WE COULD KEEP IT ON A TIMELINE, WE WOULD USE EITHER
MICROSOFT OR ANOTHER PRODUCT TO DO THAT AND THEN KEEP A
CALENDAR OF IT AND MAKE SHUSH IT GETS BACK AT THE PROPER
TIME.
9:41:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND QUESTION, BOARD MEMBER
MANISCALCO WENT THROUGH YOUR EDUCATION, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY
HAVE A LOT OF GREAT EDUCATION, ECONOMICS, PUBLIC
ADMINISTRATION, AND THEN YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE.
CAN YOU GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES, THOUGH, OF YOUR LEADERSHIP?
WERE YOU ABLE TO DECISIVELY PUSH THROUGH WHATEVER THE
ORDINANCE WAS TO GET THINGS DONE?

9:41:25AM >>JEFFREY BURTON:
THE FIRST EXAMPLE I AM GIVE YOU IS WHEN I
FIRST CAME TO THE CITY OF PALMETTO THEY WERE IN A SIMILAR
SITUATION.
THEY HAD A PLAN FROM 1993 FOR THEIR CRA.
THE PLAN NEEDED TO BE UPDATED.
I WROTE IT MYSELF.
BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER TO DO IT IN-HOUSE.
IT'S ONLY A $5 MILLION CRA SO IT'S NOT LIKE DOWNTOWN OR
CHANNEL DISTRICT.
AND IT'S NOT 8 CRAs, IT'S JUST ONE CRA.
SO GETTING THE PLAN THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
AND THIS WAS IN AN UNCHARTERED COUNTY WHICH MAKES IT A LOT
EASIER.
IT WAS HARDER TO GET MY BOARD TO APPROVE THE NEW PLAN, BUT
IN THE END, WE BROUGHT FORWARD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CITIES
LIKE SATELLITE BEACH, FLORIDA, DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA,
BRADENTON, FLORIDA, THAT HAD BEEN AUDITED BY THE STATE, AND
SHOWED THEM THAT ONE OF THE AUDITED ITEMS WAS TO HAVE A PLAN
UPDATED AND SHOW WHAT IT COST THOSE CITIES TO DO IT.
JUST BY PROVIDING THE BOARD THE TRUTH, EXPLAINING TO THEM
WHY THEY NEED TO DO IT AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T DO
SOMETHING.
THAT SEEMED TO PUSH IT ALONG QUITE WELL ALONG WITH WORKING
WITH THE ATTORNEY.
OTHER ITEMS, I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE PROJECTS, REDOING A

COMPLETE WATERFRONT.
I HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE, WHEN I LEFT,
WE REMEDIATED A CITY BROWNFIELD SITE AND TURNED IT INTO A
PARK THAT ALSO PRETREATS STORMWATER.
IT'S DOWN THE STREET FROM ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS'
HOMES.
HE FOUGHT US THE ENTIRE WAY ON THE PROJECT, BUT LUCKILY FOR
ME, I UNDERSTAND BOARDS, I HAVE SAT ON BOARDS, AND HE WAS
ONE VOICE, AND HE WAS A SINGLE VOICE.
SO, YES, WE WERE DEFINITELY CHASTISED BY THAT BOARD MEMBER
FOR DOING THIS PROJECT, SO CLOSE TO HIS HOME, ABOUT YOU THE
REST OF THE BOARD WANTED THE PROJECT DONE.
ONE OF THE WAYS WE GOT IT DONE WAS THE FDEP CAME DOWN TO THE
CITY, THEY HAD BEEN WORKING ON, ADDRESSING THAT SITE, SINCE
THEY BOUGHT IT IN 1998, THEY NEVER DID ANYTHING WITH IT.
THE CRA HAD EXPERIENCE WITH BROWNFIELDS.
WE TOLD THEM WE WOULD TAKE IT ON.
WE WOULD PAY FOR THE REMEDIATION.
WE GOT 75 PERCENT GAP IN TAX CREDIT WHEN WE SOLD.
WE GOT A $200,000 EPA GRANT WHICH WE GOT TAX CREDITS FOR,
MADE $150,000 ON.
SO WE JUST WORK HARD.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S ABOUT AUTHORITY, AND THIS BOARD
IS THE AUTHORITY.
AND IF THE BOARD SAYS WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, AS LONG

AS IT'S STATUTORILY CORRECT, AND IN THE PLAN, AND I AM GOING
TO LOOK OVER HERE TO THE ATTORNEY AND SAY, IF WE WANT TO DO
THIS, AND WE ARE GOING TO AGREE ON THIS OR NOT GOING TO
AGREE ON IT, AND HE'S THE LEGAL AUTHORITY, THEN WE MOVE
FORWARD, AND WE MOVE FORWARD ARE WITH ALL EXPEDIENCE, AND WE
ALSO TRY TO LAYER SO WE ARE NOT JUST GETTING ONE ITEM FOR
OUR DOLLAR.
WE CAN FIND GRANTS, IF WE CAN APPLY OTHER FUNDS THAT WE CAN
GO AFTER, LIKE STATE REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS, THEN WE WILL DO
BE THAT SO WE CAN GET THE MOST OUT OF OUR REDEVELOPMENTS.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
9:44:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY.
DO I HAVE TIME --
9:44:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN -- TIME.
9:44:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION, BOARD MEMBER
MANISCALCO ASKED BEFORE YOUR PHILOSOPHY STUDIES, BUT A LOT
OF PEOPLE THAT WORK IN CRAs HAVE A REAL ESTATE BACKGROUND
OR BUT YOUR UNDERGRAD IS IN ECONOMICS, AND MY MINOR WAS IN
ECONOMICS.
SO I WONDER WHAT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO
THE TABLE BY HAVING AN ECONOMICS DEGREE VERSUS ONE OF THE
OTHERS?
9:45:18AM >>JEFFREY BURTON:
OKAY, SO IT'S SIMPLE.

IN FACT ALL OF MY EXPERIENCE, EVEN THE FOUR YEARS WHEN I WAS
22 YEARS OF AGE ON A CITY COUNCIL, THAT EXPERIENCE FOLLOW
THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE CAREER.
THE ECONOMICS DEGREE, I HAVE USED THAT IN PALMETTO, AND
MAINLY IN FORT MYERS PRIOR TO THE STORM.
I CONSULTED WITH THEM WHILE I WAS WORKING IN PALMETTO, AND
THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO WORK ON THEIR INCENTIVES, THAT THEY
WOULD BRING IN FOR BUSINESSES.
AND WHEN I GOT THERE, THEY WERE HANDING OVER 85% OF THE
INCREMENT CREATED FROM THE CONSTRUCTION DO IT BUSINESSES
WHICH I DISAGREED WITH.
WE CREATED BASICALLY A SCORE BASED ON TAP RATES WHICH
DETERMINED WHETHER THE CITY ACTUALLY NEEDED TO GIVE AN
INCENTIVE ENOUGH.
WAS THE PUMP PRIMED OR DID THEY NEED TO PRIME THAT PUMP FOR
THE INCENTIVES?
WHEN I GOT THERE, THEY WERE JUST MAYBE IN THE BEGINNING OF
THE UPTURN IN THE ECONOMY, AND ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH, WE
EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT, NO, YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE
INCENTIVES, TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT COME IN.
IN TAMPA, DOWNTOWN, CHANNEL DISTRICT, YOU DO NOT NEED THOSE
INCENTIVES TO BRING TO THE DEVELOPERS.
I CAN TOLL YOU THAT FIRSTHAND.
DON'T NEED THEM.
AND I HAVE GOT SPREADSHEETS THAT SHOWED EXACTLY HOW TO DO

THEM. IN EAST TAMPA, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
IN EAST TAMPA.
BUT YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO GO IN
THERE, WHAT IT IS THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO GO IN THERE, HOW
ARE WE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT COMMUNITY ATMOSPHERE, AND NOT
BRING IN THE FACT AND WE ARE GOING TO GET BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY WHILE HERE DOING THAT.
AND I WILL TELL YOU ALL YOUR CRAs, AN IT'S NOT A SUBSIDY
BECAUSE THAT WAS MENTIONED YESTERDAY.
SOMETHING IS -- SUBSIDY IS WHEN YOU GIVE SOMETHING FOR
NOTICING IN RETURN.
YES, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR BUT IN RETURN
THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE SEWING WHETHER IT'S JOBS, WHETHER
IT'S INCREASED MITIGATION FOR HIGH WINDS, YOU NAME IT, AND
IN FRAMES, IT WAS MBE/WBE, WE HAD A 15% REQUIREMENT THAT THE
DEVELOPER HAD TO BRING IN IF THEY WANTED THE INCENTIVES.
AND THEY ALSO HAD A NONPROFIT INVESTMENT.
5% OF THE MONEY THEY RECEIVED EVERY YEAR, THE DEVELOPER
WORKED WITH THE NONPROFIT, WHETHER IT WAS BOYS CLUB AND
GIRLS CLUB OR THE BUTTERFLY GARDEN WHICH WAS ONE OF THEM,
THEY HAD TO DO AN INVESTMENT WITH THAT NONPROFIT.
BUT THE CRAs REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.
BUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAN.
SO WE INCENTIVIZED THEM TO DO THAT.
SO I WOULD TELL YOU THAT MY ECONOMICS DEGREE HELPS ME TO

DETERMINE A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR THE BOARD, IF WE DO
SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GOING TO BE ASKED
TO INVEST IN THIS, NUMBER ONE.
HOW LONG WILL IT BE BEFORE WE GET OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT
IN YEARS?
AND REMEMBER, RIGHT NOW, ELEVEN YEARS, WE ARE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT EAST TAMPA, IS NOT A LONG TIME IN REDEVELOPMENT, OKAY.
IT IS NOT.
YOU CAN'T GO OUT AND BOND MONEY.
WELL, YOU CAN BUT IT WILL BE A SHORT-TERM BOND.
WE NEED THAT EXTENSION AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT OHIO TO
INCENTIVIZE THE RIGHT USES, THE RIGHT INCENTIVES TO GET
THINGS ROLLING THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL AGREE WITH, AND THEN
WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT -- AND I PREACH THIS ALL THE
TIME -- CRAs DO NOT SPEND TAXES, THEY SPEND INCREMENT
REVENUE.
THERE ARE TWO LAWSUITS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AT THE STATE
SUPREME COURT LEVEL, ONE IN 1980, ONE IN 2007, STRAND CASE
THAT SAYS THAT.
SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REACH OUT PAST THE FLORIDA
CONSTITUTION AND WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY CRAs ARE SO UNIQUE.
WHEN I GOT HERE.
9:49:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DIDN'T QUITE SEE THAT IN TAMPA.

I REALIZED IT WASN'T NECESSARY IN PARTS OF TAMPA BECAUSE
TAMPA HAS A STRONG ECONOMY, BUT THEN I REALIZED IN OTHER
PARTS OF TAMPA, THAT'S A STRONG TOOL THAT WE CAN USE.
BUT THE BOARD HAS TO -- AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO APPROVE
IT AND WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT IT.
9:49:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO ASK A QUESTION.
WE HAD THE CAC MEMBERS COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT PUSHING
THINGS THROUGH.
AND HISTORICALLY, AT LEAST WHEN I CAME ALONG, THE BIGGEST
PROBLEM WE HAD IS COMMUNICATION WITH OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS,
CACs, THE BOARD, THE STAFF, AND THEN YESTERDAY, THOUGH,
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS HOW YOU HANDLED
DISAGREEMENTS.
AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN
OPINION ON SUBJECT MATTER OR APPROACH, YOU TALK ABOUT WHITE
PAPERS AND E-MAILS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE?
9:50:39AM >>JEFFREY BURTON:
SO IN MY PAST, I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF
WORKING FOR A BOARD, THAT AT SOME POINT, ONE IS TO DO
SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT IN THE PLAN, OR AN OPPOSITE ACTION TO
THE PLAN.
AND BEING A FORMER BOARD MEMBER MYSELF, YOU KNOW, SO THINGS
NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED BUT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE BROADCAST
WIDELY.
WE JUST NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT

WHEN THE BOARD MAKES A DECISION THEY HAVE ALL THE
INFORMATION THEY NEED, AND MOST TIMES, WHEN I DO SOMETHING
LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT AN OPINION, IT IS BASED ON VERBIAGE ON
THE PLAN, OUT OF THE STATUTE, I WILL TALK TO THE CITY
ATTORNEY BEFORE WE GO NIP FURTHER.
YOU KNOW, HERE IN TAMPA I HAVE LEARNED THAT THIS CITY
ATTORNEY, YOU GIVE HIM A VERY THOUGHTFUL ONE-PAGE OPINION OF
WHAT YOU FEEL, HE WILL READ IT AND HE WILL SEND IT BACK TO
YOU AND HE WILL EVEN SAY, NO, I DISAGREE ARCHED HERE IS WHY.
USUALLY IT DOESN'T GO PAST THAT, BECAUSE ONCE THE ATTORNEY
HAS MADE THE DECISION, THAT'S IT.
BUT I WAS IN A SITUATION WHERE THE CRA ATTORNEY WAS ALSO THE
CITY ATTORNEY, APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, AND MY ATTORNEY WAS
SITTING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE TABLE LITERALLY.
AND I WROTE A ONE-PAGE OPINION EXPRESSING WHY I FELT THE
BOARD SHOULD NOT -- IF THEY DID MAKE THE DECISION, WHY IT
WAS NOT THE PROPER DECISION TO MAKE.
I SUBMITTED IT TO EACH BOARD MEMBER THREW E-MAIL AND
SUBMITTED IT FOR THE RECORD.
THAT'S ALL I DID.
WHAT THAT DID WAS, THAT PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE
DECISION ON THE BOARD, IN THE EVENT, AT SOME LATER DATE IF
IT WAS DETERMINED IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE, I WAS TRYING TO
PROTECT THE BOARD WHILE I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT MYSELF, AND
I HAVE FOUND WHEN I DO THAT, THAT USUALLY THAT DECISION

DOESN'T GET MADE.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS BROUGHT OUT, IT
JUST NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED, EDUCATED, AND LIKE I SAID, I
HAVE NOT HAD THAT EXPERIENCE HERE.
I HAVE FOUND IN TAMPA, IF I HAVE AN ISSUE, AND I COMMUNICATE
WITH THE ATTORNEY, AND I GIVE HIM ALL THE INFORMATION HE
NEEDS, HE WILL RESPOND BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, HE WILL READ IT
AND COME BACK AND SAY, I SEE WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH THIS.
IN FACT THE ONE TIME I HAVE DONE IT HE TOLD ME I WAS WRONG.
AND HE TAUGHT ME SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT 2019.
AND IT STOPPED RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THE ATTORNEY.
HE'S THE LEGAL EXPERT, NOT ME.
I'M NOTE AN ATTORNEY.
9:53:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT HOW DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU PUSH THINGS
THROUGH?
WHEN YOU HAVE A DISAGREEMENT, YOU ARE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH
US, YOU ARE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
HOW -- HOW DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU GET US ALL TO WORK TOGETHER?
9:53:43AM >>JEFFREY BURTON:
THAT COMES FROM COMMUNICATION, AND IT
COMES FROM COMPROMISE.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE BOARD, I SEE VOTES, I DON'T SEE
PERSONALITIES.
I SEE HOW MANY VOTES ARE SUPPORTIVE.
IT'S NOT HARD TO READ THE BOARD DURING A MEETING.

YOU COMMUNICATE VERY WELL YOUR POSITIONS.
IF THE BOARD -- FOR INSTANCE, I BROUGHT UP AT ONE MEETING --
DON'T GET ADD AT ME, COUNSEL -- THE WORD PACE.
IT TOOK ME ABOUT TWO SECONDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS A
PLACE THAT I DO NOT GO, WHETHER I AGREE WITH IT OR NOT,
DOESN'T MATTER.
THE BOARD IS THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
AND LATER ON, IF I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, AND YOU HAVE TIME TO
SIT DOWN AND GO OVER PACE AND OTHER TYPES OF PRODUCTS TO
BRING ALL SORTS OF ENERGY TO THE CITY, I WOULD LOVE TO DO
THAT.
BUT IT'S NOT MY OPINION THAT MATTERS.
IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION THAT MATTERS.
MY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHERE THE CACs COME IN.
AND THE MANAGERS WORK WITH THE CACs.
I WORK WITH THE MANAGERS AND THE COMMUNITY AND THEN WE TURN
AROUND AND PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD.
DOES THE BOARD ALWAYS SIDE WITH THE CACs?
NO.
I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER CASE WHERE WE BROUGHT FORWARD A
$3.6 MILLION PURCHASE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
OF THE WAS OBVIOUS THAT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR IT
THIS LAST TIME.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE MESSAGE WE GOT, WENT BACK TO THE CAC AND

SAID THEY WANT TO BUY ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I SAID YOU CAN TRY IT.
I'LL SEND IT FORWARD.
THAT'S MY JOB.
BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, THAT BOARD IS PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE
AGAINST IT, BECAUSE THEY TOLD US AT THE LAST MEETING THAT
THIS WAS THE ONE TIME THEY WOULD DO IT.
THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PURCHASING PROPERTY AT THAT
LEVEL.
SO IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNICATION.
IT'S ALSO ABOUT EDUCATION.
I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT CRAs.
I KNOW A LOT.
BUT IF I KNOW SOMETHING, I NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE
OF IT, THAT THE COMMUNITY -- AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO ME
TO COME TO THE BOARD THAT IT'S BEEN VETTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
FOR INSTANCE, THE JACKSON HOUSE.
YES.
I HAVE MULTIPLE IDEAS ON HOW TO HELP RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
BUT AFTER TALKING WITH THE OWNERS OF THE JACKSON HOUSE, THEY
DO NOT WANT TO MOVE THE HOUSE.
MOST OF THOSE IDEAS WERE ALLAYED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO STAY
WITH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY SO WE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH THE
FOLKS AT JACKSON HOUSE, KEEP THE BOARD INFORMED, WE MOVED A
MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE BUDGET AND IT WILL STAY THERE.

AND WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP WORKING IT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME WE INFORM THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE HOUSE
AT SOME POINT YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE A DECISION
WHETHER TO SACRIFICE THE HOUSE.
OR WE NEED TO CONSIDER MAYBE MOVING IT.
AND THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN THAT AND WE RESPECT
THAT.
BUT AT SOME POINT, IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THAT HOUSE, YOU MIGHT
HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO, THAT WE
WOULD NOT REALLY WANT TO MOVE FROM THE ORIGINAL LOCATION BUT
IN ORDER TO SAVE THE HERITAGE AND CULTURE OF THAT HOUSE WE
MIGHT HAVE TO HELP THEM MAKE THAT DECISION.
9:56:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY, THIS IS DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY
BUT I AM A THOUSAND PERCENT AGAINST MOVING IT BECAUSE AT
LEAST HALF THE STORY IS THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS COULD NOT
STAY IN WHITE HOTELS WHEN THOUGH WALKED ACROSS THE STREET,
AND SO THE EXAMPLE THE MOTIONS THAT WE MADE, THERE WERE
THREE OR FOUR ALTERNATIVES AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CRA MEETING
IN A MONTH, BUT I EXPECT AT SOME POINT TOON WE ARE GOING TO
GET SOME MORE ANSWERS AS TO WHAT OUR OFFERS WERE.
WE OFFERED TO BUY IT.
WE OFFERED TO BUY THE LAND NEXT TO IT.
AND I FORGOT WHAT THE OTHER ONE WAS.
OH, WE OFFERED THE PROCESS TO START THE PROCESS IN PLACE,
ALL REQUIRES KEEPING IT THERE, AND I THINK ULTIMATELY THE

DECISION IS THE FOUNDATION THAT OWNS IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO
EITHER -- IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO SELL IT TO US OR IT'S GOING
TO FALL DOWN, BECAUSE ONLY THE CITY CAN DO THE THINGS WE
NEED TO DO TO SAVE IT.
THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
9:57:56AM >>JEFFREY BURTON:
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION
ABOUT WHAT I WOULD DO TO GET THINGS MOVING FORWARD, THOSE
MOTIONS WERE BEAUTIFUL MOTIONS, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE IT GAVE
US THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND TALK TO. THEY WHAT DID
WE DO?
WE SAT DOWN.
WE HAD THE MEETING.
WE TALKED TO THEM.
WE ASKED THEM ALL THE QUESTIONS.
WE EVEN PUT IN SOME ALTERNATIVES, DID YOU THINK OF THIS,
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT?
AND WE LISTENED TO WHAT THE GROUP SAID AND WE SAID, OKAY, WE
HAVE THE INFORMATION WE NEED, WE WILL GO BACK TO THE BOARD
AND COMMUNICATE IT, AND AT OUR NEXT MEETING, I'M SURE WE
WILL COMMUNICATE IT.
9:58:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:58:37AM >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
9:58:42AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
GIVE US A QUICK MINUTE.

WE'LL BRING DAVID IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A QUICK RECESS.
9:58:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'LL DO A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
(RECESS)
10:08:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. TRAVIS?
OH, I'M SORRY, ROLL CALL.
THANK YOU.
10:09:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
10:09:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
10:09:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
10:09:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:

10:09:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
10:09:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
10:09:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
10:09:12AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
10:09:15AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
HI THERE.
I AM GOING TO BRING TO YOU DAVID BARILLA.
HE'S GOING TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR
QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS.
THANK YOU.
10:09:24AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS DAVID BARILLA, AND I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF BOTH THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT BOARD
AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA.

SO I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THAT GROUP FOR JUST
OVER 12 YEARS.
TEN OF THOSE SERVING AS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WHERE
HOLISTICALLY WE HAVE OVER FIVE CRAs THAT COME UNDER MY
PURVIEW AND FUNCTION AS THREE, TWO OF WHICH WE WORK ON AUTO
PILOT, BUT OUR DOWNTOWN IS A COMPROMISE OF THREE DIFFERENT
CRAs WHICH WE OVERALL MANAGE ON FOCUS ON ALL THINGS, FROM
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TO MAKE SURE IT IS PRESENTABLE TO ALL
ISSUES OF BUSINESS.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WHEN I ORIGINALLY STARTED THERE, I WAS
THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
TO GROW, TO A LARGE EXTENT PART OF THAT, MY INITIAL OUTTAKE
WHEN I GOT TO THAT POSITION WAS THAT OF ENERGY, AND GETTING
THINGS DONE.
I THINK THAT WAS NOTED WHEN THAT POSITION BECAME AVAILABLE
SO I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND HAVE
CONTINUED IN THAT.
PRIOR TO THAT, MY BACKGROUND HAS BEEN IN COMMERCIAL REAL
ESTATE.
SO I WORKED WITH AN INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT FIRM, A LITTLE
BIT MORE NATURAL, WORKING ON RETAIL IMPROVEMENT AS WELL AS
SALES WHICH LED ME ACTUALLY TO WHAT I DO NOW.
I ORIGINALLY CAME IN AND JOINED THE CRA TO HELP THEM WITH
THEIR RETAIL IMPROVEMENT AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN
BRINGING IN PROPERTIES TO DOWNTOWN, AS WELL AS GROCERS TO

THE AREA AS WELL.
I AM HAPPY -- HOW I CAN BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE TAMPA
COMMUNITY.
10:11:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
10:11:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN, SIR.
I DID MAKE THAT CALL TO COMMISSIONER HILL IN ORLANDO.
10:11:35AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
GOOD, GOOD.
10:11:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WAITING FOR HIM TO CALL ME BACK.
BUT I LOOK AT YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A REALTOR.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID FROM DAY ONE WE NEED TO BUY PROPERTY, TO
CONTROL THE NARRATIVE THAT WE DON'T DO.
AS THE CRA DIRECTOR, HOW WOULD YOU COME IN AND DEAL WITH OUR
CRA DOLLARS AS RELATES TO REAL ESTATE?
BECAUSE I FEEL THAT IF YOU DON'T BUY PROPERTY, OR CONTRACT
NOT PUT ON THE TABLE IN SOME OF OUR AREAS, BUT COME IN AND
PUT DOWN CONTRACTS.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF BACKWARDS.
SO HOW WOULD YOU AS A CRA DIRECTOR HANDLE THAT OR WHAT WOULD
BE YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON IT?
10:12:22AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
MY FIRST COMPONENT, COUNCILMAN, APPROACH
THAT FROM A CRA PIECE, AND WE PURCHASE A LOT OF PROPERTY AND
TO A LARGE EXTENT FOCUSED ON BOTH AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS ASSEMBLAGE TO OPENLY ALLOW FOR MORE
INTENSE DEVELOPMENT.

I'M NOT SURE THE CRA IS NIMBLE ENOUGH FOR THOSE COMPONENTS.
WHEN WE WORK IN THE FAST MARKET WE HAVE SEEN THE PAST YEARS,
DECADE AT THIS POINT, PRIVATE SECTOR CAN MOVE FASTER THAN
THE GOVERNMENT CAN, SO TO MAKE SURE EVERY YEAR WHEN PUTTING
THE BUDGETS TOGETHER THAT WE HAVE A LINE ITEM THAT'S NOTED
FOR REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION OR REAL ESTATE TYPE LINE ITEMS,
AND THEN BEYOND THE CONSISTENT BOTH WHAT I CONSIDER
PROACTIVE SEARCH FOR IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE THOSE STRATEGIC
SITES THAT WE NEED TO BE PURSUING.
MAYBE THEY ARE ON THE MARKETS.
MAYBE THEY ARE NOT.
BUT IF THEY ARE MAKE SURE WE HAVE OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO
ANALYZE THEM, DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, MAKING SURE THERE ARE
NOT ISSUES THAT WE ARE UNAWARE OF AND THEN BRING FORWARD
APPROPRIATE PURCHASES, WHETHER THAT IS TO ASSEMBLE THE SITE
AND LOOKING AT ACQUIRING MORE TO GET LARGER DEVELOPMENTS, OR
VICE VERSA IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC TARGETED DEVELOPMENT IN
MIND, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CULTIVATED AND BROUGHT ALONG
IN THAT PROCESS BUT I THIS I THEY NEED TO BE CONSISTENTLY
VETTED AND NOT JUST NECESSARILY WAITING FOR THE
OPPORTUNITIES TO COME TO PLAY, AN ACTIVE PROCESS AND
CONTINUAL PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THOSE OPPORTUNITIES
COME UP WE ARE EITHER CREATING THEM A PERSON AT THE TABLE.
10:14:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND, THE CRA DOES HAVE CAPITAL, BUT WE
DON'T LEVERAGE THAT CAPITAL WITH PUBLIC BANKS OR

INSTITUTIONS TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ANY INSTITUTION OR THE PHILOSOPHY OF
TRYING TO DEAL WITH OTHER OUTSIDE SOURCES BESIDES OUR CRA AS
A FUNDING SOURCE TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUR SMALL MINORITIES AND
MINORITY COMMUNITIES WHERE BANKS DON'T TALK TO THEM.
I IMAGINE WE COULD HAVE A GRANT, BUT HAVE THE DOLLARS ON
HAND.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS OF CREATING THINGS OF THAT
MAGNITUDE?
10:14:45AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
YES, I HAVE.
SPECIFICALLY I CAN SPEAK TO -- WE SPOKE A LITTLE BIT
YESTERDAY WHERE WE ARE WORKING ON SINGLE-FAMILY AFFORDABLE
HOUSING ULTIMATELY, AND OUR HISTORICALLY AFRICAN AMERICAN
COMMUNITIES, THE ON SET TO DO THAT.
THERE HAVE NOT BEEN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BUILT IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD IN OVER A DECADE.
IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF EFFORT.
BUT IT JUST WOULD NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.
ULTIMATELY, I LED A PROGRAM TO DELIVER THE FIRST HOMES THAT
HAD EVER BEEN DELIVERED THERE, AND THEN ENSURE THAT THEY
WERE DELIVERED TO AFFORDABLE HOMEBUYERS AS WELL AS --
HOMEBUYERS.
THE WAY WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT WAS THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS LIKE
YOU MENTIONED.
WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO BRING THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS TO THE

TABLE SO THAT AN APPLICANT, HOME BUYER, CAN PURCHASE ONE OF
THESE HOMES FOR AS LITTLE AS $1,000 DOWN.
HOW WE DID THAT IS WE PARTNERED WITH BOTH A NEW CRA PROGRAM
THAT OFFERED DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
WE MADE SURE WORKING WITH THOSE DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS
FIGURING OUT WHAT POSITIONS THEY WERE WILLING TO BE FROM A
MORTGAGE PERSPECTIVE.
SOME WERE ONLY WILLING TO GO TO SECOND.
WE HAD TO CONVINCE SOME TO GO THIRD.
WE KNEW WE HAD TO MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO THE AREA SO WE NOT
ONLY LAYERED OUR OWN DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, WE BROUGHT IN
COUNTY FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, ALSO LOOKED TO A PROGRAM AT THE
WELLS FARGO WHICH WAS AVAILABLE ESSENTIALLY AT THE TIME TO
BRING IN ADDITIONAL AS WELL.
SO WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE IN AND IS A PROGRAM THAT'S STILL
MANAGED TODAY AND HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR THAT
COMMUNITY.
10:16:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU MENTIONED ABOUT INTERNATIONAL BANK OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND AN IDEA EVEN AT THE CRA CONFERENCE,
THEY TALKED ABOUT OPEN LENDING INSTITUTIONS.
I WANT A DIRECTOR WHO CAN NOTICE OR HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF
THESE INSTITUTIONS TO HELP THOSE WHO CANNOT GET MONEY, TO
GET MONEY, TO START A BUSINESS, BE ABLE TO WORK ON THEIR
BUSINESS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CONFERENCE SAID ABOUT BANKING
INSTITUTIONS.

SO ANY EXPERIENCE THERE OR KNOWLEDGE OF THAT?
10:16:56AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
YES, SIR.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I SPOKE TO YESTERDAY, WITH AN
INTERNATIONAL BANKING THAT HAD FORECLOSED ON A MIXED USE
DEVELOPMENT IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY FIRST
ASSIGNED PROJECTS WHEN I CAME ONTO THE CRA.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT A LOT OF THINGS WERE NOT BEING
FINISHED.
I WAS SUCCESSFUL IN WORKING WITH THEM, AND THAT PROJECT DID
GET FINISHED.
WE HAD TO RENEGOTIATE A VERY COMPLICATED AMENDED AND
RESTATED EXTENDED AGREEMENT THAT WENT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT
BANKS BUT ULTIMATELY GOT THE PROJECT DONE.
AS FAR AS LEVERAGING RELATIONSHIPS AND BEING KNOWLEDGEABLE
ABOUT COMPONENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN WHATEVER AREA IT MAY
BE, WHETHER RESIDENTIAL, WHETHER SMALL BUSINESSES LOOKING TO
START UP, YES.
SO I ALSO AM ON THE BOARD FOR WHAT WE CALL MIBO, WHICH IS A
MINORITY AND WOMEN INITIATIVE PROGRAM, BUT WE OFFER A
$44,000 GRANT FOR START-UP COSTS, AND TO A LARGE EXTENT OF
THAT, I WORKED WITH OBVIOUSLY NOT REVAMPING THAT PROGRAM,
WHATS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD THE APPROACH TO PAIR THOSE
BUSINESSES WITH A FINANCIAL CONSULTANT THAT WOULD GUIDE THEM
AND HELP THEM PUTT A PLAN TOGETHER SO WE COULD BRIDGE THEM,
BRING THEM TO BANKS, NOW WITH MUCH MORE INFORMATION THAT A

TRADITIONAL SMALL BUSINESS START-UP WOULD HAVE, TO LEVERAGE
THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND REALLY GET THE FUNDING THEY NEED AND
LEVERAGE THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THINGS EVEN MORE OF
AN IMPACT.
10:18:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LAST QUESTION.
MS. TRAVIS AND MR. DRUMGO, AND -- I'M LOOKING FOR A DIRECTOR
TO COME IN AND MOVE FAST.
WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
THE FIRST 90 DAYS, HOW DO WE GET THIS TRAIN MOVING?
10:19:00AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
SURE.
ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK TO THAT EXTENT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THRIVE ON, I
THINK I HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY, AND I AM HOPEFUL THAT BECOMES
APPARENT TO PEOPLE.
HOW DO I APPROACH THAT, OR WOULD APPROACH THAT COMING INTO
THIS ORGANIZATION?
AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, I WAS A MEMBER, FIRST I WOULD WANT
TO SIT DOWN WITH ALL OF YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND
THAT YOU HAVE IN THE EXPERIENCE OF, A, I COULD BE
KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THAT.
SECOND OF WHICH ULTIMATELY WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND
DETERMINING, IS THE STAFF APPROPRIATE FROM SO ALL ARE
CAPABLE OF EXECUTING ON THE PATHS THAT ARE BEFORE US AND
WHAT CHANGES POTENTIALLY NEED TO BE MADE, AND MAKING
APPROPRIATE STRATEGIC PLAN AND FIGURING OUT, OKAY, HERE IS

WHAT OUR GUIDING LIGHT IS GOING TO BE, FIRST ORDER OF
BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR
WHATEVER THAT COMPONENT MAY BE AND MAKING SURE ALL THE
PIECES ARE ALIGNED TO DO THAT.
THAT COULD BE CREATING NEW PROGRAMS, THAT COULD BE LOOKING
AT PIECES OF REAL ESTATE.
I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS TODAY, BUT I THINK ALL OF THOSE
THINGS COME INTO PLAY AND MAKE SURE THAT GROUNDWORK AND THAT
FOUNDATION IS SOLID, THAT HOPEFULLY THE BOARD CAN UNIFY ON A
VISION THAT WE ALL AGREE ON, SO THAT AS THINGS COME UP WITH
APPROPRIATE APPROVALS WE ARE UNIFIED IN THAT NEXT STEP AND
CAN MAKE THAT SWIFT AND POSITIVE PROGRESS.
10:20:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:20:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
AND THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TALK YESTERDAY.
THE FUNNY THING, BOARD MEMBER GUDES MENTIONED THE BANKS.
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS I HAVE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL BANKS AND
THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN BUT
BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET THE BASIC THINGS PUT IN DIDN'T EACH
PROPOSE IT.
UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T TALK OUTSIDE THESE MEETINGS, BUT
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT BANKS WANT TO DO.
THEY HAVE MONEY THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IN, EITHER
PHILANTHROPIC MONEY OR LOAN MONEY AND THERE WAS NOBODY FOR
THEM TO WORK WITH.

YOU MENTIONED TO ME ABOUT -- WE TRIED TO CREATE A PROGRAM
LIKE THAT THREE YEARS AGO AND WERE TOLD WE COULDN'T.
IS THAT PART OF THE CRA OR IS IT A CITY THING THAT THE --
10:21:06AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
IT'S A CRA PROGRAM.
WE SIGNED UP TO $40,000 FOR BUSINESSES THAT ARE STARTING UP
SPECIFICALLY IN OUR PARAMOUR COMMUNITY, FOUND IN THE EAST
TAMPA COMMUNITY, AND HELPING THEM BOTH IN THEIR START-UP OR
EXPANSION COSTS.
10:21:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT'S THE TOTAL BUDGET OF IT.
10:21:22AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
WHAT IS THE TOTAL BUDGET?
APPROXIMATELY A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
WE ACTUALLY NEVER USED THAT MUCH.
WE ALWAYS HAD ENOUGH TO FUND THE APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE.
10:21:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GREAT, THANK YOU.
AND TO KIND OF ASK A NEW AUDIENCE QUESTION OR SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN BOARD MEMBER GUDES SAID, YOU KNOW,
WE TALKED YESTERDAY ABOUT SOME -- MY BACKGROUND IS ECONOMICS
AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT CRA, BECAUSE MOST CITIES CENTER
EVERYTHING AROUND REAL ESTATE AND THE WAY THEY MEASURE
SUCCESS IS THEY LOOK AT HOW MUCH YEAR THE TIF MONEY IS GOING
UP AND THE WAY YOU GET MONEY TO GO UP BECAUSE OF PROPERTY
TAXES, IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BRING MORE REAL ESTATE IN,
ESPECIALLY BIG REAL ESTATE, AND THE WAY YOU GET BIG REAL
ESTATE TRADITIONALLY IS THEY GIVE OUT -- THE LAST MAYOR GAVE

OUT TENS OF MILLIONS OF SUBSIDIES TO PRIVATE SECTOR TO
INCENTIVIZE THEM, AND IN 20 YEARS WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A
RETURN INVESTMENT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAX MONEY WILL
OUTPACE THAT.
MY PHILOSOPHY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
IT IS THAT FIRST OF ALL CRAs ARE ALLOWED TO USE THIS MONEY
BY OTHER PART OF THE CITY.
IT'S AN INVESTMENT OR SUBSIDY BY OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY SO
WE HAVE TO BE CUSTODIANS OF THE MONEY, AND THE WHOLE CITY
HAS TO SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT.
AND IT CAN'T JUST BE WHAT I CALL THE EDIFICE COMPLEX, IT
CAN'T BE SHINY NEW BUILDINGS OR -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEST
CITIES IN THE WORLD THEY DON'T MEASURE THE NEW CONDOS THEY
HAVE, THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT THEY HAVE.
INSTEAD THEY LOOK AT ECONOMIC NUMBERS, LIKE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD
INCOME.
AN ARTICLE CAME OUT YESTERDAY THAT SAID OUR REGIONAL MEDIAN
HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS DOWN, AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE TAMPA
NUMBERS BUT THE TAMPA NUMBERS HAVE BEEN HORRIBLE.
TAMPA OUT OF THE SIX LEADING CITIES IN THE STATE HAS BEEN
NUMBER 5 REGULARLY AND NOT ONLY MEDIAN HOUSE INCOME BUT HOME
OWNERSHIP RATE, DISPARITY OF BLACKS AND WHITES AND MEN AND
WOMEN.
IF WE ARE GOING TO INVEST THIS MONEY, REAL ESTATE IS FINE,
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE CYCLE OF SUBSIDIZING REAL

ESTATE SO WE CAN HOPE TO GET MONEY INTO USING THAT MONEY AND
SUBSIDIZE MOWER REAL ESTATE.
YOUR BACKGROUND IS HEAVY, HEAVY REAL ESTATE ESPECIALLY
INCENTIVIZING PRIVATE SECTOR REAL ESTATE.
MEMBER GUDES WAS MORE LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR
INCENTIVIZING NEW BUSINESS OR THINGS LIKE THAT WHICH I WOULD
BE IN FAVOR OF.
BUT ARE THERE OTHER THINGS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE OR YOUR
ASPIRATIONS THAT YOU COULD FOCUS ON SIDES SUBSIDIZING
PRIVATE SECTOR REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT?
10:23:55AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
ABSOLUTELY.
THE OTHER HAT THAT I WEAR IS DOWNTOWN -- AND CONTRARY TO THE
NAME OF THAT GROUP, THE WAY IT FUNCTIONS, WHEN YOU THINK
ABOUT IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, THOSE ARE BASED ON, YESTERDAY,
THE SOFTWARE IF YOU WILL OF THE DOWNTOWN ACTIVITIES, THOSE
SPECIAL COMPONENTS OF PRICE MAKING CONCEPTS THAT REALLY MAKE
THE GREAT CITIES POTENTIALLY THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.
SO IN THAT WORK THAT WE DO, AND ALSO I KIND OF OVERSEE, WE
HAVE DONE A -- DONE OF HOST OF COMPONENTS TO ACTIVATE OUR
DOWNTOWN, IF ANYONE HAS BEEN THERE INFORM A NUMBER OF OUR
EVENTS, WE JUST HAD A BIG ONE GOING ON NOW CALLED MEMOIR
AGENCY HOE WE WERE ONE OF THE INITIAL FOUNDERS OF TEN YEARS
AGO, A VERY SMALL EVENT WITH A $5,000 GRANT AND THAT HAS
GALLON TO A VERY LARGE ANNUAL BUDGET, AND THAT BRINGS ALL
INDIVIDUALS TO OUR AREA.

SO THAT COMPONENT, THE MARKETING, THE BRAND, DOWNTOWN, A
PLACE YOU WANT TO BE FOR A BUSINESS, BUT ALSO FOR LEISURE.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY THINGS THAT I DO.
ON CRA, I THINK IT'S BROAD SCALE.
I THINK THE CONTEXT OF MY BACKGROUND IS REAL ESTATE IS
COMPLETELY ACCURATE.
THE CONTACT AS WELL OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT
I PERSONALLY DO FOR OUR ORGANIZATION.
SO BOTH ON IN-FILL COMPONENT AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE INFILL
COMPONENT OPPORTUNITIES TO ALLOW FAMILIES TO BUILD NEST
QUESTIONS EGGS AND HAVE RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS, WORKING WITH
TAX CREDIT DEVELOPERS AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE IN ONE
SPECIFIC SITUATION WE WORKED WITH A LAND TRUST, IN ORDER TO
DO THAT, WORK WITH A DEVELOPER AND OTHERS WORKING MORE
LOCALLY.
10:25:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF.
I COULD LISTEN TO YOUR ANSWER FOR A LONG TIME AND MY
COLLEAGUES WILL ASK.
COULD I ASK ALSO, COULD YOU GIVE US ONE OR TWO SHORT
EXAMPLES OF WHERE YOU DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP, WHERE YOU
FACED ADVERSITY, WHERE IT LOOKED IMPOSSIBLE OR DIFFICULT TO
ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING AND YOU WERE ABLE TO LEAD AND
ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL?
10:26:09AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
SURE, HAPPY TO.
SO IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE, AND IN 2016, ORLANDO WAS THE

VICTIM OF --
IN THAT TIME, GOT TOGETHER A TASK FORCE TO GALVANIZE
INTERNAL CITY RESOURCES TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT COMPONENT
THAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WAS ASKED TO CHAIR THAT, WHICH I GLADLY ACCEPTED, BUT IT
PUT ME IN A POSITION WRITE WAS ASKED TO LEAD BOTH MEMBERS OF
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, DEPUTY CHIEFS, AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THE CODE
ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES OF PEOPLE IN THE
ROOM, ALL OF WHICH ARE GREAT PEOPLE.
THE CHARGE THAT I THAT I WAS GIVEN WAS TO BRING ORLANDO TO
THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT WE NOW CALL A SOCIAL ECONOMY
MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE AND I HAD TO DO THAT IN ABOUT SIX
MONTHS.
SO GALVANIZING THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, ALL WITH VERY WELL
INTENTION, AND I CALL ALL OF THEM MY FRIENDS TODAY.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE GETTING ALL THEIR INDIVIDUAL INPUTS, AND
A VERY NEW COMPONENT, WHERE THE WORLD'S EYES WERE ON
ORLANDO, IT WAS VERY UNIQUE, VERY CHALLENGING, I WOUND UP
GALVANIZING THE A GROUP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL AND
WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT THAT I PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
LATER ON THAT YEAR, AND IT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN BOTH
RECOMMENDING A STRUCTURE THAT WE NOW HAVE, WHERE WE HAVE A
PERMANENT POSITION THAT WORKS WITH THE SOCIAL ECONOMY, THAT

PERSON WORKS DIRECTLY UNDER ME, ALSO HAVE A COMMUNITY OF
COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BE A SOUNDING BOARD AND BROUGHT ORLANDO
AT THAT TIME TO BE ONE OF THE -- I THINK WE WERE THE SIXTH
IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE, AND
HAVE GOTTEN THE APPROPRIATE ATTENTION IN BEING NOW A LEADER
IN THAT REALM AND APPROPRIATE SPECIAL ECONOMY MANAGEMENT.
10:28:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO MORE QUICK QUESTIONS.
SORRY, SENSITIVE QUESTION.
BUT CREATED TWO PROGRAMS THAT RESULTED IN INVESTIGATIVE
REPORTS BY THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES," ONE CALLED BIKING WHILE
BLACK, ANOTHER CALLED RENTING WHILE BLACK.
THEY BOTH RESULTED IN U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CIVIL RIGHTS
INVESTIGATIONS, RIGHT NOW SINCE DECEMBER THERE'S A CURRENT
CIVIL RIGHTS INVESTIGATION NOT CREATED BY US BUT CREATED BY
THE LAST MAYOR.
WHEN BIKING WHILE BLACK CAME OUT, I ASKED ONE OF THE
REPORTERS WHO WAS THEN GOING TO ST. LOUIS TO COVER CIVIL
RIGHTS, I THINK OF WHAT IS YOUR OBSERVATION OF THE BLACK
COMMUNITY IN TAMPA?
AND SHE WAS AFRICAN AMERICAN AND SHE SAID, UNLIKE
ST. PETERSBURG THAT HAS A DIALOGUE WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE
THEY HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, IN TAMPA PEOPLE FEEL
OPPRESSED AND THEY FEEL THAT PEOPLE AREN'T LISTENING, THEY
AREN'T HEARING, AND DURING THAT SAME TIME IT WAS THE BIGGEST
ECONOMIC BOOM IN THE AMERICAN HISTORY AND AFRICAN AMERICAN

EITHER WENT SIDEWAYS OR REDUCED IN THE IMPORTANT ECONOMIC
METRICS.
SO WE NOW ARE GOING INTO RECESSION, THERE ARE GREAT
SENSITIVITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
HOW ARE YOU THE BEST PERSON TO REACH ACROSS ALL DIFFERENT
KINDS OF DIVERSITY TO HELP US MANAGE THAT DIFFICULT
SITUATION?
10:29:43AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
SO I AM BECAUSE IT'S WHAT I DO NOW.
SO IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WORK THAT I DO, AND I AM TALKING
ABOUT DOWNTOWN, OUR DOWNTOWN IS FOCUSED PRETTY MUCH OF TWO
VERY HISTORICALLY DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ALREADY MENTIONED PARAMOUR, AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY,
AND THEN THE CBD, AND SERVES DIFFERENTLY.
THE PURPOSE MUCH BREAKING THAT GAP AND MAKING SURE, THE
QUESTION I ALWAYS ASK MYSELF, IN ANY PROGRAM WE DO, HOW ARE
WE MAKING SURE THIS IS ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL?
IT'S ALSO IN YOU HEARD ME IN MY EARLIER ANSWER, I SAID A LOT
OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE FOR VERY SPECIFIC
NEEDS-BASED COMPONENTS IN OUR PARAMOUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE
NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT.
SO I'M THE RIGHT PERSON BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT CONTEXT,
THAT YOU HAVE TO APPROACH EACH INDIVIDUAL SITUATION WITH THE
UNIQUE CONTEXT, MAKING SURE ALL PEOPLE ARE AT THE TABLE.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE COMPETENT IN WHAT THEY ALL KNOW BUT
HAVING A SEAT AT THE TABLE, PRIVATE DOWNTOWN ORLANDO, THE

CONSULTANTS PROPOSED TO ME WENT UP THERE THE PROCESS WITH
THEM AND WORKED WITH THEM TO RESHAPE THAT PROPOSAL TO ENSURE
THAT WE WERE USING THE JEDI PRINCIPAL, JUSTICE, EQUITY AND
INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS, SO AS
I MENTIONED BEFORE THROUGH EVERY STEP THEY WERE TAKING THAT
THEY WERE ENSURING THAT EVERYONE WAS ACCOUNTED FOR ALONG THE
WAY.
10:31:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YESTERDAY, YOU HAD THREE BIG
BLOCKS, KIND OF DOWNTOWN, WHICH INCLUDES A LOT OF DIFFERENT
AREAS, AND IT'S ABOUT $54 MILLION A YEAR AND THEN YOU HAD
TWO OTHERS, UNIVERSAL AND THE MALL WHICH ARE KIND OF PASS
THROUGH TO PAY BONDS.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS OURS IS LIKE 45 MILLION.
YOURS IS A LOT BIGGER.
WHY WOULD YOU COME TO TAMPA INSTEAD OF WORKING ON A BIGGER
ONE?
10:31:40AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
SURE.
I THINK THE CONTEXT, OBVIOUSLY, I'M ASSISTANT DIRECTOR NOW.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO.
THE OTHER IS THE AREAS THAT YOU HAVE.
SO YOU HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT VERY DISTINCT AREAS, ALL WITH
VARIOUS NEEDS.
I THINK I PROVIDE A VERY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO SEE CHANGE
AND BE IMPACTFUL IN THAT PROCESS AND REALLY HAVE THE

COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY SUPPORTIVE BUT ECSTATIC WITH THE
OUTCOME.
10:32:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
QUICKLY IF I MAY.
YOU REPORT TO THE MAYOR, AND IN THIS CASE YOU ARE GOING TO
BE REPORTING TO THE CRA BOARD, NOT CITY COUNCIL.
WE TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A HARD TRANSITION?
HOW WILL YOU ADJUST DO THAT?
10:32:25AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
SURE.
I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE A HARD TRANSITION.
I THINK THERE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE A CONTEXTUAL LEARNING
PROCESS BOTH STAFF AND THE REST.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A HARD TRANSITION.
AND WE ARE REPORTING TO SOMEONE WHETHER THAT BE A BORED OR
PERSON TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM ULTIMATELY WORKING TOWARDS
THAT, THE ULTIMATE GOAL AND VISION OF THOSE THAT ARE THERE
THAT I REPRESENT.
10:32:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
10:32:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE TODAY, BUT WE
HAVE TO, YOU KNOW.
WE THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A STRONG FORM OF
MAYOR OF GOVERNMENT.
AT TIMES, WE HAVE DISPUTES, DISAGREEMENTS, SOME GOOD, SOME
BAD.
I'M A COMPROMISE KIND OF PERSON.

AND I WANT A DIRECTOR, TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU ARE THE CRA
DIRECTOR, YOU ANSWER TO THE CRA BOARD IT.
BUT SAYING THAT, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ALSO WORK WITH MS.
TRAVIS AND DRUMGO AND WORK FOR THE MAYOR.
BUT WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT, TOO, IS THEY HAVE BEEN HERE, THEY
HAVE BEEN FAIR AND HONOR AND TRANSPARENT TO THIS BOARD, AND
THE BOARD TRUSTS WHAT SHE HAS BEEN DOING.
SO, AGAIN, TO MR. CARLSON'S QUESTION, I'M A CANDID PERSON,
YOU ANSWER TO THIS BOARD AND NOT ANSWER TO THE
ADMINISTRATION.
THE WAY THE CONTRACT IS WRITTEN, YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
10:34:20AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
I DO.
10:34:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
10:34:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST HAVE ONE.
WHEN YOU MENTIONED, SIR, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATIONS, YOU SAID OF KIND OF OVERSEE.
I FORGOT WHICH ONE IT WAS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
10:34:35AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
I AM NOT SURE, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF BOTH THE CRA AS WELL AS THE
CBD SO I OVERSEE THEM BOTH.
10:34:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:34:47AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
YES.
10:34:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT TECHNIQUES HAVE YOU USED TO MOTIVATE
AND DRIVE YOUR TEAM TO SUCCEED?
10:34:58AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
THE FIRST OF WHICH, PEOPLE ARE IMPORTANT
TO ME, AND MY TEAM ARE ULTIMATELY IMPORTANT TO ME.
I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE AFFORDED THE CITY OF ORLANDO
EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR IN 2020.
I VALUE MY PEOPLE.
WHAT I DO ULTIMATELY TO MOTIVATE THEM, MY FIRST STEP IS
UNDERSTANDING.
I THINK IT'S HARD TO MOTIVATE SOMEBODY UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND
WHAT MAKES THEM TICK, AND THAT'S A PROCESS, BY BUILDING THAT
RELATIONSHIP.
IDEALLY, BY MOTIVATING THEM, I WANT TO SET THE VISION.
I NEVER ASK PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT WILLING TO
DO AND I THINK ULTIMATELY MY STAFF, WHEN I SEE SOMETHING
THAT'S EXCITED TO COME TO WORK IN THE MORNING AND WORKING
THROUGHOUT THE DAY, AND STRIVING TOWARD THAT ULTIMATE GOAL.
IT'S INSPIRING, AT LEAST KIND OF SETS THE STAGE OF WHAT'S
EXPECTED.
THE SECOND COMPONENT IS MAKING SURE THEY ARE APPROPRIATELY
TRAINED IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING, SO THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE
CAPABILITIES.
IN ADDITION TO THAT THE TOOLS AT THEIR DISPOSAL, ULTIMATELY
LEAD TO EXPECTATIONS, AND THE LAST IS HOLDING PEOPLE

ACCOUNTABLE.
I HAVE TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE EXPECTATIONS THAT
WE ALL PUT FORTH AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING CONTINUAL
PROGRESS.
10:36:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE PROCESS AND ROLE YOU HAVE PLAYED IN
RECRUITING BUSINESSES TO THE CRA?
10:36:29AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
SO.
SO I LEAD THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARM FOR THE CRA, AND I
WAS ECONOMIC COORDINATOR, IT WAS A -- I HAVE SOMEONE THAT
DOES THAT NOW FOR ME BUT SO THE MOST SPECIFIC COMPONENT IS
IDENTIFYING WHAT CORPORATIONS OFTENTIMES, LARGE AND SMALL,
MAY BE A FIT FOR DOWNTOWN ORLANDO.
WE WORK SPECIFICALLY WITH A LARGER ORGANIZATION, THE ORLANDO
PARTNERSHIP, AND LIAISONS FOR OTHER RELOCATIONS, BUT
IDENTIFYING, WORKING WITH THOSE INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES, I
DEVELOPED A SPECIFIC INCENTIVE PROGRAM.
AT THE TIME TO TARGET COMPANIES THAT WERE LOOKING TO MOVE
INTO THE AREA.
THE UNIQUE COMPONENT TO WHICH I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO DO
HAVE IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO RELOCATE COMPANIES OUTSIDE OF
THE CRA BOUNDARY TO THE CRA, AND THAT CAN ULTIMATELY BE
POSSIBLE WHEN IT ULTIMATELY COMES TO TRYING TO DENOTE WHAT'S
GOING TO MAKE SOMEONE MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN SIGNING A LEASE
WITHIN THE CRA OR OUTSIDE OF IT.

AND DETERMINING WHAT THOSE SPECIFIC NEEDS ARE, COULD BE
PARKING, IT QUO BE ACCESS TO TALENT, MAYBE THEY NEED TO BE
CONNECTED WITH THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES.
BUT ALL OF THOSE, I THINK SUCCESSFUL IN BEING PART OF THE
PROCESS THAT LEAD TO BRING THE HEADQUARTERS TO DOWNTOWN
ORLANDO, WHICH IS A CRA, WHICH IS A PROCESS THAT THE CITY
HAS BEEN THROUGH THREE PREVIOUS TIMES, THIS IS THE FOURTH
ROUND AT THE TABLE WITH THEM, BUT WE ARE HAPPY AND
SUCCESSFUL AND WORKED WITH TAX INCREMENT FINANCING COMPONENT
TO DO THAT.
BUT ALSO BRINGING THEM ALONG, AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS
MENTIONING, ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE A PIECE IN THAT, THAT
THEY ARE INTEGRATED IN THE COMMUNITY SO THEY HAVE A PROGRAM
SHOWING HOW THEY ARE IMPACTING THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM,
HOW THEY ARE BRINGING PEOPLE IN, SHOWING THEM THE THINGS
THAT THEY DO AND DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES AND GIVING THEM THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ESSENTIALLY SEE THEMSELVES IN THAT SEAT AS
THEY MOVE FORWARD.
10:38:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY LAST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE
COMMUNITY.
AS YOU HEARD FROM PUBLIC COMMENT, EAST TAMPA IS READY TO
PUSH THINGS THROUGH.
I CAN FEEL YOUR ENERGY, BUT HOW DO YOU HELP EAST TAMPA --
HOW DO YOU HELP BRIDGE THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT THE BOARD
WANTS, WITH STAFF, AND PUSH THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY IS

ASKING FOR?
10:39:00AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
SURE.
SO I THINK THE INITIAL CONTEXT, WHAT I MENTIONED A LITTLE
BIT EARLIER, WHICH IS GALVANIZING EVERYONE ON A UNIFIED
DECISION.
THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S ANYONE'S SOLE
INDIVIDUAL VISION, OKAY, I WANT THIS.
WHAT CAN WE ALL AGREE THAT NEEDS TO GET ADDRESSED, TO
DETERMINE THAT IS OUR ULTIMATE PRIORITY, BRIDGING THOSE
GAPS?
AND AGAIN, ON RELATIONSHIPS, PEOPLE REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE
THEIR BEST INTEREST AT HEART.
THEY WILL AT LEAST GIVE YOU A SHOT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE
ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK I WOULD HANDLE THAT, ONE, BY LEARNING WHAT THE
VISIONS OF THE BOARD WERE, LEARNING WHAT THE VISIONS OF THE
COMMUNITY ARE, FINDING WHAT NEXUS THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT
NEEDS TO BE HANDLED AND NEEDS TO BE HANDLED QUICKLY, AND
ENSURING THAT THE PROGRAM, THE PRO AND THE FUNDS ARE ALL
ALIGNED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN MAKE IT MOVE FORWARD.
10:40:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE?
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:40:03AM >>DAVID BARILLA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:40:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE ARE GOOD FOR A TWO-MINUTE BREAK

TO BRING IN OUR NEXT CANDIDATE.
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10:48:35AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE ALLISON JUSTICE AND TELL YOU A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT HERSELF.
10:48:46AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS, BOARD
CHAIR.
MY NAME IS ALLISON JUSTICE.
I AM CURRENTLY RESIDING IN PALM BEACH GARDENS, FLORIDA.
I WAS WITH THE WEST PALM BEACH CRA FOR EIGHT YEARS AS A
DEPUTY INTERIM DIRECTOR, AND ACTUALLY JUST TO BACK UP A
LITTLE, I KNOW YOU HAVE SEEN MY RESUMÉ, BUT I WORKED FOR A
REDEVELOPMENT CONSULTING COMPANY FOR TEN YEARS SO WE
CONSULTED FOR VARIOUS CRAs THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
SO ALTHOUGH ORIGINALLY MY TIME WAS IN WEST PALM BEACH I DID
SPEND A LOT OF TIME MAINLY ACROSS FLORIDA, A LITTLE BIT IN
CENTRAL FLORIDA, BUT IN THE CONSULTING FIELD.
I AM ORIGINALLY FROM THE MIDWEST, FROM KANSAS CITY AREA, IN
KANSAS, AND CAME TO FLORIDA ABOUT 26 OR 7 YEARS AGO.
I AGE MYSELF WITH THAT.
SO I HAVE BEEN IN FLORIDA MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE.
AS YOU WILL SEE, AND AS WE WILL DISCUSS, ONE OF THE UNIQUE
PARTS ABOUT ME, THE OTHER CANDIDATES, I AM NOTE THAT

FAMILIAR WITH THE TAMPA AREA.
I AM OF A VERY QUICK STUDY.
I WAS COMMITTED TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND REALLY LEARN
ABOUT THIS CITY AND THE CRA.
WHAT MY EXPERTISE REALLY IS REDEVELOPMENT, AND I KNOW THAT I
CAN HELP YOU MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD AND GET ON THE RIGHT PATH
WITH MOVING A PROJECT.
WITH MS. TRAVIS AND MR. GRUM GO, AND RECENTLY HAVE DONE A
LOT OF WORK AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM IN
COMPLETING THESE GOALS.
WITH THAT I WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS.
10:50:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
10:50:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING, MS. JUSTICE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS YESTERDAY.
BUT I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS IN THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE WE
HAVE EIGHT CRAs, AND IN MY DISTRICT, EAST TAMPA, OUR
EASTERN PORTION, AND WEST TAMPA IS COMING ALONG, BUT YOU
HAVE EXTENSIVE BARK GROUND IN DEVELOPMENT.
I'M HUNGRY, MS. TRAVIS, AND HOW WILL YOU CONTINUE THAT
HUNGER FOR ME?
THEY ARE HUNGRY FOR ACTION NOW.
SO COMING IN AS DIRECTOR, WHAT WILL BE THE GOALS IN MOVING
THE TRAIN?
10:51:42AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION,
COUNCILMEMBER.

I REALIZE THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.
I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE STARTED GETTING THE TRAIN MOVING AND I
APPRECIATE THAT.
MY INTENT WOULD CERTAINLY NOT BE TO STOP ANY MOMENTUM MOVING
FORWARD.
SO MY FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE TEAM
TO ENSURE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD CONTINUE TO
MOVE FORWARD.
I AM A "GET IT DONE" KIND OF PERSON SO I DON'T LIKE A LOT OF
RED TAPE.
I UNDERSTAND WE WORK IN A GOVERNMENT ENVIRONMENT.
SO GETTING THROUGH CITY PROCESS IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF
STARTING WITHIN GOVERNMENT.
I HAVE WORKED IN GOVERNMENT INTIMATELY AT CITY HALL FOR
EIGHT YEARS SO I UNDERSTAND HOW TO GET THROUGH THE
PROCESSES.
SO IMMEDIATELY IT WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THE MOMENTUM MOVING
FORWARD.
AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S ESTABLISHING RELATIONSHIPS AND
UNDERSTANDING REALLY MOVING CRA, WHERE THEIR ASSETS ARE, HOW
WE CAN AGAIN IMPROVE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THOSE AREAS, AND
MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD.
SO CERTAINLY WOULD MOVE EVERYTHING FORWARD THAT'S MOVING
FORWARD NOW CURRENTLY AND KEEP THEM ON THE BOOKS, AND THEN
ALSO TAKE A REAL DEEP ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN ALL

THE CRAs AND HOPEFULLY BRING NEW IDEAS AND NEW PROJECTS
FORWARD AS WELL FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
10:53:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND QUESTION.
WE TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE STATE THAT HAS
CHALLENGES, A LONG TIME.
THIS PARTICULAR CRA IS BASICALLY -- YOU HAVE -- MINORITY.
WE HAVE OTHER RACES THAT PARTICIPATE BUT MAINLY WHAT I CALL
BLACK FOLKS.
AND I MUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CRA DIRECTOR THAT HAS THICK
SKIN, AND CAN HANDLE -- DEAL WITH THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE
ANGRY FOR, NOT ANGRY BUT THE PASSION OF WONDER WHY HAVEN'T
WE ARRIVED OR WHY HAVEN'T WE GOTTEN TO WHERE EVERYONE ELSE
HAS GOTTEN.
SO HOW THICK IS YOUR SKIN?
10:54:00AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
VERY THICK.
I WILL ANSWER THAT DIRECTLY BUT VERY THICK.
I WORKED FOR A CRA IN WEST PALM BEACH, HAS A $50 MILLION
BUDGET.
WE HAD ABOUT $20 MILLION GOING TOWARDS THE BLACK COMMUNITY
THAT HASN'T SEEN REDEVELOPMENT IN FIFTY YEARS.
THEY HAVEN'T SEEN REDEVELOPMENT EVER IN THEIR LIFETIME, IN
THIS AREA.
IT'S ADJACENT TO DOWNTOWN.
WE WERE LUCKY THAT WE HAD FUNDING THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN CRA
FOR THIS AREA, BUT IT'S ESTABLISHING THAT LEVEL OF TRUST.

YOU DON'T WALK INTO A CRA, YOU DON'T WALK INTO A
NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT HAVE THE CITIZENS TRUST THAT YOU ARE
WORKING FOR THEM AND DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO IT'S GETTING TO KNOW THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, GETTING
THEM TO TRUST YOU, GETTING THEM TO UNDERSTAND YOU ARE THERE
TO ACTUALLY MAKE PROJECTS HAPPEN, MAKE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE
BETTER.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.
I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH DIVERSE
COMMUNITIES, AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, GETTING TO KNOW
PEOPLE, AND HAVING BOOTS ON THE GROUND IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING THAT I CAN DO.
10:55:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:55:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
10:55:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN REGARDS TO COUNCILMAN MEMBER GUDES
SAID IT, ALMOST ALL THE CRAs EXCEPT DREW PARK ARE IN HIS
DISTRICT.
I HAVE DREW PARK.
SO HE HAS A VERY ACTIVE DISTRICT, AND ALSO A DEMANDING
DISTRICT, AND FOR VERY GOOD REASON.
WE TALK ABOUT CENTRAL PARK, FOR EXAMPLE.
THE LAST BUSINESS THAT CLOSED IN, WHAT WAS IT, CENTRAL
AVENUE BEFORE WAS 1974, 48 YEARS AGO, AND THERE HAVE BEEN

SOME IMPROVEMENTS AS OF LATELY THROUGH THE AREA, BUT IT'S
ALMOST HALF A CENTURY, INFORM THAT AREA TO START COMING
BACK.
EAST TAMPA BEING ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE STATE, THE WORD
GENTRIFICATION WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
IT'S NOT ABOUT GENTRIFICATION.
IT'S ABOUT EQUITY.
WHAT I WANT TO SEE, MY GOAL IS THAT WE REALLY FOCUS ON EAST
TAMPA, AND PEOPLE HAVE IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK TIME IS OF
THE ESSENCE AS THE REST OF THE CITY IS FLOURISHING.
EAST TAMPA DESERVES NOT GENTRIFICATION BUT EQUITY.
EQUITY IN THE SENSE THAT I WANT TO SEE THAT CRA DISTRICT
SUCCEED LIKE THE OTHERS.
MAYBE IT WON'T BE LIKE A DOWNTOWN.
YOU CAN'T COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, BUT I WANT EAST TAMPA TO
HAVE THE SAME THAT WEST TAMPA HAS.
I WANT TO SEE A STRONG MIDDLE CLASS.
I WANT PEOPLE LIVING, GROWING, INVESTING, AND CONTINUING
THAT MULTI-GENERATIONAL -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS,
INVESTMENT OR CONTINUATION OF THAT.
I WANT PEOPLE TO BUILD UPON THAT WHERE THE AREA CONTINUES TO
FLOURISH LONG AFTER WE ARE GONE.
PARTS OF THE CITY HAVE BEEN IGNORED.
THERE HAS BEEN TOO MUCH FOCUS AND EMPHASIS ON OTHER PARTS OF
THE CITY, AND OTHERS ARE LEFT BEHIND, AND I THINK -- AND NOT

SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT PEOPLE AREN'T GOING
TO WAIT ANYMORE.
WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE LENGTH OF OUR MEETINGS.
WE HAVE SEEN IT IN THE HEAVY DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THE INVOLVEMENT.
CAY MEMBERS WHICH YOU WILL SEE THIS EVENING AT OUR MEET AND
GREET, YOU WILL SEE THE PASSION THAT THEY HAVE, AND
RIGHTFULLY SO.
THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME TO SERVE
THEIR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BEST, NOT JUST FOR
THEMSELVES BUS FOR EVERYONE, BECAUSE ALSO THEY SEE HOW,
AGAIN, THE REST OF THE CITY IS ADVANCING AND FLOURISHING AND
ENJOYING THIS RENAISSANCE THAT WE.
SEEN IN GENERATIONS PROBABLY, BUT THEY WANT A PIECE OF THAT
ACTION, TOO, AND THEY DESERVE THAT.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A CRA THAT BIG, YOU KNOW, IT DESERVES THAT
BIG OF AN INVESTMENT AND THOUGHT TO IT.
WE TALKED ABOUT STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
UPDATED SINCE I WAS IN COLLEGE.
WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE WHICH WAS LESS THAN 20 YEARS AGO TAMPA
WAS A DIFFERENT PLACE.
EVEN TEN YEARS AGO TAMPA WAS A DIFFERENT PLACE.
CRA MEETINGS WERE DIFFERENT FIVE YEARS AGO.
WE WERE DONE AT 10:00.
BUT THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO, AND TIMES HAVE CHANGED, AND TIMES

HAVE CHANGED QUICKLY BECAUSE TAMPA IS GROWING RAPIDLY, BUT
AT THE SAME TIME RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS, I WANT THAT
RISING TIDE ECONOMIC RISING TIDE THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY SO
WE HAVE EQUITY ACROSS THE BOARD AND EVERYBODY WINS AND
EVERYBODY IS PROUD NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE IN THE CITY
BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING THE SAME BENEFITS AS EVERYBODY
ELSE.
THANK YOU.
10:58:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:58:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YESTERDAY WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT -- I WILL
REPEAT IT AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC.
PEOPLE WHO WATCH HEARINGS, I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH CRAs AS A
TOOL, IT'S KIND OF FOR LAZY POLICYMAKERS BECAUSE IF YOU JUST
KEPT THE MONEY IN THE GENERAL FUND YOU CAN MOVE IT AROUND
WHEREVER YOU WANT AND GET THE COUNTY MATCHING MONEY TO
CREATE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BUT WE HAVE EIGHT OF THEM.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS THE WAY THEY ARE SET UP, YOU
ARE LIMITED AS TO OHIO YOU CAN SPEND THE MONEY, BUT ALSO
THERE'S KIND OF A PERVERSE INCENTIVE, AND THE MONEY COMES
FROM PROPERTY TAT TAXES.
SO IT'S FUNDED BY BIG REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
IT INCENTIVIZES BIG REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEN MANY CITIES LOOK AT CRAs, THEY MEASURE BY THE
AMOUNT OF TIF MONEY THAT COMES IN OR THEY DO A FORMULA WHERE
THEY SUBSIDIZE THE PRIVATE SECTOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT,

AND THEN THEY TRY TO DO A FORMULA WHERE THEY SAY IN TEN
YEARS WE'LL MAKE MONEY.
THE COUNTY, THEY DIDN'T USE A CRA, BUT SPENT 6.2 MILLION
SUBSIDIZING AND THEIR JUSTIFICATION WAS IN TEN YEARS WE'LL
MAKE THE MONEY BACK.
THE LAST MAYOR HERE DID THE SAME THING, SPENT TENS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CRA MONEY, SUBSIDIZING PRIVATE SECTOR
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK IT'S ANTI-COMPETITIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO
SUBSIDIZE ONE VERSUS THE OTHER.
ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BROADER CITY PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED --
THE BEST CITIES IN THE WORLD DON'T MEASURE HOW MUCH CONDOS
THEY GET, THEY DON'T MEASURE HOW MUCH NEW HIGH-RISE
BUILDINGS THAT COME IN, THEY DON'T MEASURE THE NEW OFFICE
SPACES COMING IN, UNLESS IT'S SOME SPECIALIZED.
WHAT THEY DO IS MEASURE THE ECONOMIC NUMBERS.
AND OUR ECONOMIC NUMBERS DURING THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC BOON IN
AMERICAN THINKS TRY MOSTLY SHRANK, BETWEEN RICH AND POOR,
BLAND ACT WHITE AND WOMEN GOT WORSE COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES
AND COMPARED TO THE BIGGEST SIX CITIES IN FLORIDA WE CAME IN
FIFTH OUT OF SIX.
THE REGIONAL NUMBERS, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE LOCAL NUMBERS,
BUT THE REGIONAL NUMBERS FOR HOUSEHOLD INCOME CAME IN BELOW
MOST CITIES.
AND WE KNOW IN LOOKING AT THE PAST THAT TAMPA WAS DRAGGING

DOWN ST. PETE THAT ST. PETE NUMBERS WERE BETTER.
SO I ANYWAY HAVE BEEN DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR WAYS TO
CORRECT THAT AND MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
AND CRAS TAKING MONEY FROM ONE PART OF THE CITY TO OTHERS,
AND WE HAVE TO BE GOOD CUSTODIANS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
INTENDING THE RIGHT WAY AND WE CAN TALK WITH HONESTY ABOUT
THE SUCCESSES WE ARE HAVING, NOT WHAT I CALL THE EDIFICE
COMPLEX OF BUILDINGS TO TRY TO DISTRACT ATTENTION.
INSTEAD THEY SAY OUR ECONOMIC NUMBERS ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE
ELSE'S, COMPARED TO CITIES LIKE CHARLOTTE, AUSTIN AND
ATLANTA, WE WENT SIDEWAYS AND THEY WENT UP.
WE DIDN'T MOVE IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THEY DID.
SO SINCE CRAs IN MANY CITIES ARE VERY COMMERCIAL REAL
ESTATE FOCUSED ABOUT INCENTIVES, WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU FOCUS
ON?
11:01:51AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
SURE.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
AND AS THE PREVIOUS COUNCILMEMBER POINTED OUT, IT'S ABOUT
EQUITY, AND IT'S EQUITY IN YOUR OTHER CRAS AND YOUR OTHER
COMMUNITIES.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CRAS SO I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON
THE CRA.
BUT IT'S BUILDING THE EQUITY, BUILDING THE QUALITY OF LIFE
IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND YOU CAN DO THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT -- YOU ARE NOT STRUGGLING FOR, YOU KNOW,
FOR CASH, AS FAR AS MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT'S A
LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT AS FAR AS A TIF AND A CRA, THAT HAS A DECENT CRA.
SO IT'S ABOUT BUILDING THAT MIDDLE CLASS UP, ABOUT GIVING
BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
SO WHETHER THAT'S CREATING SENSE OF PLACE.
I TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY WITH A FEW OF YOU ABOUT FINDING THE
ACCESS IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
WHAT IS IT THAT THE CRA HAS TO OFFER?
IS IT THE ARTS AND CULTURE?
WHAT IS IT THAT WE FOCUS OUR REDEVELOPMENT ON IN THESE
SPECIFIC AREAS AND YOU BUILD AROUND THAT?
AND YOU HAVE TO -- REDEVELOPMENT DOESN'T OCCUR WIDESPREAD.
IT'S VERY LOCALIZED.
DOWNTOWN SUCCEEDED BECAUSE IT WAS CONCENTRATED IN THE
DOWNTOWN.
THE SAME AREA APPLIES FOR OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
IF YOU CONCENTRATE YOUR REDEVELOPMENT, IT SPREADS, AND THE
RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL SHIPS.
ONCE YOU GET AN AREA AND START BUILDING IT, BUT THAT WOULD
BE MY ANSWER FOR THESE OTHER AREAS.
YOU HAVE TO FIND WHAT THOSE ASSETS ARE, FOCUS ON THEM, BUILD
UP WITH THAT, AND THE SURROUNDING AREA WILL THRIVE.
11:03:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY FOR THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.

ANOTHER TOUGH QUESTION, CITY OF TAMPA CURRENTLY IS UNDER A
U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CIVIL RIGHTS INVESTIGATION, AND WE
CREATED A PROGRAM, PROGRAMS CREATED BY THE LAST MAYOR.
THERE WAS A -- THE LAST ADMINISTRATION ALSO HAD A CIVIL
RIGHTS INVESTIGATION BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IN 2015,
2016.
THESE ALSO RESULTED IN INVESTIGATIVE STORIES BY THE "TAMPA
BAY TIMES," IN 2015 WAS CALLED BIKING WHILE BLACK, RECENT
ONE CALLED RENTING WHILE BLACK, AND SO THE CURRENT JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT STARTED IN DECEMBER AND STILL HANGING OVER US BUT
IN 2018 I ASKED ONE OF THE TWO REPORTERS, SHE HAPPENED TO BE
AFRICAN AMERICAN, I SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT EAST TAMPA
AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY VERSUS ST. PETE OR OTHER CITIES?
AND ST. PETE IN '96 THEY HAD ISSUES THAT RESULTED IN THE
CREATION OF A DIALOGUE, AND SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW AFRICAN
AMERICAN FEELS THEY HAVEN'T GOT A SEAT AT THE TABLE, IT'S
NOT PERFECT, IT'S NOT GREAT BUT AT LEAST CONVERSATION IS
HAPPENING.
I SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT TAMPA?
SHE SAID IN TAMPA, THEY FEEL OPPRESSED, THEY FEEL THEY DON'T
HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, THEY FEEL THERE ARE PROGRAMS
HOLDING THEM BACK, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY AREN'T BEING LISTENED
TO.
YOU ARE STEPPING IN TO THAT ENVIRONMENT, AND ALSO IF YOU
LOOK AT ECONOMICALLY, AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY NUMBERS,

ECONOMIC NUMBERS WENT EITHER SIDEWAYS OR DOWN.
HUGE DISPARITY IN INCOME, HUGE DISPARITIES IN HOME
OWNERSHIP, LACK OF ABILITY TO START NEW BUSINESSES, TO STEP
INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT.
HOW ARE YOU -- TELL US HOW YOU ARE THE BEST PERSON TO
NAVIGATE THAT.
11:05:22AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
SURE.
AND THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THERE MUST BE INVESTMENT IN THESE
COMMUNITIES, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY.
IT'S NOT THAT EASY IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S A TRUST ISSUE.
NOBODY WANTS TO SEE A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WALK IN AND TELL
THEM THEY ARE GOING TO SAVE THE DAY AND THEY ARE GOING TO
MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER.
WHATEVER NEIGHBORHOOD YOU ARE IN.
AND ESPECIALLY IN LOWER SOCIOECONOMIC NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU
KNOW.
BUT YOU WANT IT BETTER.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
I WENT THERE YOU THIS IN WEST PALM BEACH.
THE COMMUNITY HELPED DESIGN THEIR OWN PARK, THEY HELPED
REALLY COME UP WITH THE PROGRAMS THAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT
INTO PLACE IN THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT WAS NOTHING
GOVERNMENT COMING IN AND DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT WAS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND IN THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU ARE DOING IT WITH THEM, YOU
ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN A MISTAKE THAT GOVERNMENT HAS MADE FOR A
LONG TIME.
THEY WILL ALL SAVE THE DAY OVER HERE.
I AM NOT GOING TO SAVE THE DAY.
IT WILL BE A PROCESS WITH THEM, NOT ME COME IN AND SAYING
THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.
11:06:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY LAST QUESTION REAL FAST.
I THINK IN YOUR POSITION IN WEST PALM YOU REPORTED TO THE
MAYOR.
SOME CITIES THE POSITIONS REPORT TO THE MAYOR. IN THIS CASE
YOU REPORT TO NOT CITY COUNCIL BUT CRA BOARD WHICH HAPPENS
TO ALSO BE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THERE ARE SEVEN OF US,
TOTALLY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND EXPERIENCES.
HOW WILL YOU MAKE THAT TRANSITION AND HOW WILL YOU MAKE IT
SUCCESSFUL?
11:06:50AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
I PREFER REPORTING TO A BOARD, AND IN
WEST PALM BEACH YOU DO TECHNICALLY REPORT TO THE BOARD BUT
THE MAYOR HAD A LOT OF INFLUENCE OVER PROJECTS AND OVER
THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING.
I WOULD PREFER, YOU KNOW, YOU VOTE AS A BOARD WHEN YOU VOTE
ON YOUR BUDGET MEANING YOU ARE VOTING ON THE PROJECTS THAT
YOU ARE GOING TO UNDERTAKE.
THAT'S THE WAY, I BELIEVE, THAT IT'S BEST SERVED THE CRA,

AND IF THE BOARD COLLECTIVELY MAKES A DECISION, YOU HIRE
EXPERTS LIKE YOUR TEAM TO COME IN AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS
BASED ON OUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, AND YOU AS A BOARD
COLLECTIVELY DECIDE WHICH PROJECTS ARE MOVING FORWARD AND
WHERE YOU ARE PUTTING FUNDING.
11:07:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:07:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW ARE YOU DOING, ALL RIGHT?
GOOD, GOOD.
AND MINE IS NOT SO MUCH OF A QUESTION.
I GUESS MY VIEW OF CRAs, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID
SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS VERY TRUE, BUT I ACTUALLY AGREE
WITH THE IDEA THAT WAS PUT FORWARD MAYBE ON THE OTHER SIDE,
WHICH IS THAT CRAs DO FORCE GOVERNMENTS TO SPEND MONEY IN
A CERTAIN PLACE.
I ACTUALLY SUPPORT THAT COMPEL TOOL BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
GOVERNMENTS TYPICALLY DO THAT.
IF YOU LEAVE LEAD MOST GOVERNMENTS THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND
MONEY WHERE THE MONEY IS, WHERE THE VOTES ARE.
SO ACTUALLY SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT MAKES GOVERNMENT SPEND
MONEY IN A CERTAIN PLACE.
I REPRESENT A DISTRICT WHERE WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE NO CRAs,
RIGHT?
I THINK THERE'S A GOOD ARGUMENT THAT MAYBE SOME PARTS OF
DISTRICT 7 SIT, SULPHUR SPRINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, USF, FOR
EXAMPLE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME AREAS IN NEW TAMPA, HUNTER'S

GREEN, TAMPA PALMS.
AND IF SOMEONE WOULD ASK ME, CRAs, WHICH SHOULD BE FOR
BLIGHTED COMMUNITIES, CAUSE SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES SUCH
AS IT OUT IS, BAYSHORE, TAMPA PALMS, HUNTER'S GREEN, TO
SUBSIDIZE AREAS THAT MAYBE ARE MORE MARGINALIZED, TO AN
EXTENT, I WOULD GO YES, THAT IS TRUE, AND I SUPPORT THAT,
BECAUSE I'M AN FDR GUY, RIGHT?
THAT'S HOW I THINK.
BUT I THINK FOR ALL OF US, WE TAKE OUR PHILOSOPHY, OUR
THEOLOGY ON CRAs AND WE VOTE ACCORDING TO THAT.
FOR THE MOST PART THAT'S KIND OF HOW I SEE CRAs, WHICH IS
AS A TOOL TO HELP MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, AS A TOOL TO
HELP BLIGHTED COMMUNITIES.
BUT ALSO LIKE I SAID, AS A COMPEL TOOL WHERE GOVERNMENT HAS
TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF LEFT ON THEIR OWN A LOT
OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WILL NOT DO THAT, RIGHT?
AND WHAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID IS TRUE, WHICH IS A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, OUR CRA MEETINGS WERE VERY SHORT.
11:09:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAD BEEN ON THAT BOARD FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS
OR SO AND WE HAD PEOPLE WHO PUSHED A LOT OF BIG IDEAS ON
CRAs.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I KNOW DID, COUNCILMAN CARLSON A LOT,
AND THEY CHANGED THE DISCUSSION AND I GIVE FOLKS CREDIT FOR
THAT IN TERMS OF CRA AND MY HAT IS OFF TO PEOPLE LIKE THAT
BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE HAVING MORE ROBUST DISCUSSIONS WHICH

PUSHED THE IMAGINATION OF WHAT CRAS SHOULD DO.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT I SEE CRAs, WHICH IS TO
HELP BLIGHTED COMMUNITIES AND TO COMPEL GOVERNMENTS TO
SUBSIDIZE AND SUPPORT EXTRA, COMMUNITIES THAT GIVEN THE
POLITICAL INCENTIVES THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T SUPPORT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THING FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.
THANK YOU.
11:10:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
11:10:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. JUSTICE, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE FOCUS
ON A DIRECTOR BUT ALSO FOCUSING ON A SPECIFIC CRA, ONE THAT
HAS A LOT OF MONEY TO BE SPENT, A LOT OF MONEY.
EAST TAMPA CRA HAS A LOT OF MONEY.
WE NEED TO SPEND MONEY.
YOU CAN'T TELL ME SOMETHING I KNOW.
I LIVED THERE, WORKED THERE, PLAYED THERE.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE LIKING YOU
AS A PERSON.
AS MR. MANISCALCO SAID, EQUITY.
EQUITY.
QUALITY IS ONE THING BUT EQUITY IS ANOTHER.
BUT ON SPENDING MONEY ON THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED AND
WANT.
I NEED A DIRECTOR WITH A VISION.
YOU CAN TALK ALL DAY TILL YOU ARE BLUE IN THE FACE OF THE
COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE HAD THOSE.

BUT IF YOU AIN'T SPENDING NO MONEY YOU DO ME NO GOOD.
I NEED A DIRECTOR THAT WILL COME IN WITH IDEAS TO BE ABLE TO
GIVE OUR COMMUNITY RESIDENTS.
THE EAST TAMPA GROUP HAS REIMAGINED, REFOCUSED BECAUSE NOW
THEY DON'T HAVE MS. JONES OR MISS SALLY WHO HAVE BEEN GOOD
STEWARDS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW
INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY DON'T KNOW REDEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE FOLKS OVER THERE NOW WHO ARE EXPERIENCED, HAVE
EXPERTISE, SO YOU CAN'T JUST TELL THEM LIKE IN THE OLDER
DAYS, OTHER MANAGERS, AND THEY WOULD TELL THEM, AND THEY
WOULD BELIEVE THAT.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE NOW WHO WILL VET, WHICH HAVE ALREADY VETTED
YOUR BACKGROUND, WHO WILL ALSO VET -- WHO HAVE ANSWERS TO A
QUESTION THAT YOU MAY HAVE, THEY ALREADY KNOW BECAUSE THEY
DO IT EVERY DAY THEMSELVES.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD NOW, TWO ATTORNEYS ON THAT
BOARD NOW, YOU HAVE GOT REDEVELOPMENT ON THAT BOARD NOW, SO
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU SAY, WELL, I'M COMING IN, AND YOU HAVE GOT
PEOPLE THAT REALLY KNOW.
SO MY THING AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.
HOW DO YOU SPEND THAT MONEY?
HOW DO YOU SPEND IT?
11:13:08AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
RESPECTFULLY, COUNCILMEMBER, I CAN WALK
AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME SO I CAN DO BOTH.
AND I CERTAINLY CAN SPEND MONEY.

I HAD A $50 MILLION IN PALM BEACH.
I SPENT EVERY YEAR ON GOOD PROJECTS, AND OWN PROJECTS FOR
THE COMMUNITY.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS GOING TO BE -- I DON'T KNOW THE
PROJECTS NOW.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW I AM GOING TO COME IN AND SPEND THE
MONEY.
I WE LOVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A PLACE THAT I HAVE.
I HAVE SOME STUDYING, BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND RESEARCH TO DO
BEFORE I KNOW WHAT PROJECT MAKES SENSE FOR THAT COMMUNITY,
AND THAT'S WHY I KIND OF GO BACK, IT STARTS WITH TALKING TO
PEOPLE, AND I UPPER WE NEED PROJECTS MOVING.
LIKE YOU SAID, YOU SAW MY BACKGROUND.
I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, LOTS
OF EXPERIENCE IN INCENTIVES.
INCENTIVES FOR BOTH DEVELOPERS AND FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES
AND FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
SO I HAVE WORKED THE GAMUT FROM THE SMALLEST TO THE LARGEST.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, I KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT I WILL
IDENTIFY IT.
11:14:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
11:14:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.

11:14:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO ELABORATE WHAT BOARD MEMBER GUDES
SAID, HE'S TALKING ABOUT -- HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT NEW
MONEY.
WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT MONEY IN A CRA THAT'S ALREADY SET
UP, MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COLLECTED, AND THE MONEY HAS
BEEN DESIGNATED BECAUSE OF CERTAIN PROJECTS, TO HELP THE
COMMUNITY.
SOME OF THE MONEY IS STILL SITTING IN THE BANK ACCOUNT AND
STAFF DIDN'T MOVE THE PROJECTS FORWARD.
SO IT'S NOT ABOUT SPENDING NEW MONEY OR FORGIVE USUALLY
SPENDING MONEY.
IT'S ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE PROJECTS ALREADY APPROVED.
THANK YOU.
11:15:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I THINK WE ARE ALL KIND OF DANCING AROUND
WHAT EAST TAMPA HAS STRUGGLED WITH IN PUSHING THINGS
THROUGH.
WITH THAT BE COMMUNITY DISAGREEMENTS AMONGST EACH OTHER ON
PROJECTS, OR WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON SAID ABOUT STAFF NOT
GETTING THINGS DONE.
SO HOW DO YOU COME IN AND BRIDGE THAT GAP, AND PUSH THESE
PROJECTS THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY NEEDS AND MAKE SURE
THAT -- YEAH, HOW DO YOU PUSH ALL THAT THROUGH?
11:15:46AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
MY EXPERIENCE WITH GETTING PROJECTS
DONE, IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH, ON SOME LEVELS, OF BUILDING
RELATIONSHIPS.

I MEAN, AGAIN, KIND OF GOING BACK, IF YOU CAN'T BE TRUSTED
INTERNALLY, IT'S WITH YOUR STAFF, IT'S WITH YOUR STAFF THAT
MAY BE COMPLETING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS FROM OTHER
DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY.
SO WHAT I DO IS, I FIRST OF ALL GET TO NOTICE IMMEDIATELY
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE
THE KEY.
IT'S NOT ONE PERSON PUSHING AN ITEM THROUGH.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CONSULTANT.
MAKING SURE I AM WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S TO
EXPEDITE AND QUICKLY GET IF WE NEED A CONSULTANT FOR A
PROJECT GET THEM ONBOARD.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROCESSES THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT AS -- A
PROCUREMENT PROCESS, THERE'S RULES, BUT THERE'S ALSO A CRA,
YOU NEED TO DO THESE THINGS QUICKLY.
SO I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH MOVING THESE PROJECTS FORWARD.
I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING WITH ENGINEERS, PLANNERS,
BUILDING DEPARTMENTS, LEGAL TEAMS, PROCUREMENT TEAMS, YOU
KNOW, EVERYBODY DOWN THE FLEET AND FACILITY OPERATIONS IN
ORDER TO SEE THINGS MOVE FORWARD.
AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT AFRAID TO GET INVOLVED WITH ALL OF
THOSE DEPARTMENTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECTS THAT THIS
BOARD ARE MOVING FORWARD.
AND I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THE CLARIFICATION ON

THESE DOLLARS BEING SPENT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE THESE PROJECTS FORWARD.
THAT'S HAVE.
11:17:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S VERY CRITICAL.
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:17:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE, MS.
JUSTICE YOU SAID SOME WORDS VERY WELL INTENDED.
YOU SAID THE WORD TRUST.
WITHOUT TRUST, NO ONE SUCCEEDS.
HERE THERE'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR WHOEVER BECOMES THIS ROLE
AND GETS ELECTED TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY HAS AT LEAST ONE
THING THAT A LOT OF PLACES YOU DON'T HAVE.
SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE, THERE'S NO MONEY.
AT LEAST HERE YOU HAVE.
SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE YOU HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO
SOME DEGREE.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS HOW YOU SPEND THE MONEY, AND THE WORD
TRUST IS NOT ONLY DOUGH YOU HAVE TO BE WITH THEM BUT THEY
HAVE TO BE WITH YOU.
IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
THESE ARE THINGS IN MANAGEMENT YOU HAVE TO ATTAIN AND I KNOW
THAT YOU AND THE OTHERS CERTAINLY HAVE THAT RECOGNITION.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT WITHOUT KNOWING IT, AND THERE'S
A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, LIKE IN TEN YEARS, SEEMS LIKE A LONG
TIME.

YOU HAVE TO CROSS YOUR IS TWICE.
SO EAST TAMPA IN PARTICULAR, YOU NEED SOMEONE WITH A LOT OF
LEADERSHIP, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE TRUST OF THE PEOPLE
AND THE PEOPLE HAVE TO TRUST YOU, OR WHOEVER GETS THE JOB.
11:18:41AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
I'M SORRY, THE QUESTION AGAIN?
11:18:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I REALLY WAS SAYING WHAT YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT.
I WASN'T POSING A QUESTION.
BUT YOU MENTIONED THOSE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WERE WELL
SAID.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE TRUST.
IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, LIKE A MARRIAGE, REALLY.
11:18:59AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
AND TO KIND OF ANSWER A BIT OF THE
QUESTION WAS, I AM NOT CLAIMING AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU
KNOW I AM NOT FROM TAMPA, SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, I CAN'T
FAKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I AM SAYING.
I HAVE LEADERSHIP SKILLS.
I CAN GUILD BUILD THE RIGHT TEAM.
THE TEAM I BUILD ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT, YOU
KNOW.
YOU CAN TEACH SOMEBODY SKILLS AND PASSION FOR REDEVELOPMENT
AND CRAs IS SOMETHING, AND USUALLY YOU HAVE SOME
EXPERIENCE IN IT BECAUSE SOMEBODY TAUGHT YOU THAT THIS IS
THE WAY YOU THINK, VERY, VERY SPECIFIC WAY AND YOU GET

THINGS DONE NOW.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT'S JUST
PASSIONATE ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT IS THAT I ALSO AM A
SUCCESSFUL PROJECT MANAGER, AND THAT'S WHAT I BILL MYSELF
AS, AS A PROJECT MANAGER, GETTING THINGS DONE.
I LIKE BEING A LEADER AND A MENTOR TOWARDS OTHERS BUT I
DON'T MIND TAKING PROJECTS ON MYSELF.
IF NEED BE.
THAT IS -- YOU WANT A LEADER THAT HAS A TEAM THAT CAN DO IT,
BUT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH BEING THAT PERSON THAT'S LEADING A
PROJECT MYSELF.
IF IT'S SOMETHING CRITICAL THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
11:20:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
11:20:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TWO THINGS THAT INTRIGUE ME THAT YOU
TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
YOU TALKED ABOUT TEAM.
YOU TALKED ABOUT PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
I AM A FIRM BELIEVER, GOING BACK TO MRS. TRAVIS, AS A TEAM,
AND HAVING EXPERIENCE, BUT I GUESS MORE ME IF I WERE A
DIRECTOR, AND I HAVE A NON-DRIVING COMPONENT, I WANT ALL THE
RESOURCES TO GO TO THAT TEAM, ALL THE TEAM GO TO THAT
PARTICULAR AREA THAT THRIVES, EVEN IF I HAVE TO OUTSOURCE
SOMEONE TO MAKE THOSE PROJECTS RUN.
I THINK -- YOU NEED TO GO OUTSIDE TO MAKE THINGS RUN AND
MOVE AND THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE.

WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON IT?
YOU TALK ABOUT TEAM AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
11:21:14AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN THE USE OF CONSULTANTS.
NOT EVERYBODY THAT HAS THE SKILL SETS ARE GOING TO BE ON
STAFF.
YOU NEED A FEW KEY PEOPLE THAT REALLY KNOW HOW TO MOVE
PROJECTS FORWARD AND BE THE LEADERS OF PROJECTS.
BUT YOUR SUPPORT STAFF CERTAINLY CAN BE CONSULTANTS.
BEING IN THE BUSINESS FOR OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, I AM
FAMILIAR WITH MANY, MANY CONSULTANTS FROM DESIGNERS TO
ENGINEERING FIRMS TO SAFETY ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH CONSULTANTS THAT ARE REALLY EXPERTS IN
THEIR FIELD.
SO I WOULD BRING THAT KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN
CONSULTANTS, AS WELL.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
YOU HAVE TO -- IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DONE BY ONE OR TWO
PEOPLE.
AND I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH AND LEADING VENDORS
AND CONSULTANTS.
11:22:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I THINK THAT'S THE KENNEDY OF OUR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:22:16AM >>ALLISON JUSTICE:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:22:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TWO-MINUTE RECESS.
(RECESS)

11:30:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ROLL CALL.
11:30:34AM >> HERE.
11:30:34AM >> HERE.
11:30:34AM >> HERE.
11:30:40AM >> HERE.
11:30:42AM >> HERE.
11:30:45AM >> HERE.
11:30:46AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:30:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:30:49AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCIL, OR CRA BOARD.
WE HAVE OUR LAST CANDIDATE BEFORE YOU, AND I WANT TO
INTRODUCE YOU TO JESUS NIÑO WHO IS NO STRANGER TO YOU, AND
AFTER A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TELL YOU ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND,
AND THEN WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED.
THANK YOU.
11:31:16AM >>JESUS NINO:
GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS IS MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE THAT'S WATCHING
THIS.
JESUS NIÑO.
I CURRENTLY WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND I AM APPLYING FOR
THE CRA DIRECTOR POSITION.
TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND, MY DEGREE IS

IN URBAN AND REGIONAL PLANNING, CONCENTRATION IN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT AND URBAN POLICY.
EVERY SINCE I GOT OUT OF GRADUATE SCHOOL MY FIRST POSITION
WAS AS A SENIOR PLANNER.
FOR THE CITY OF LARGO.
THEY HAD AGGRESSIVE ANNEXATIONS, BY THE WAY, ON THE STREET,
ANNEXING COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY,
NEGOTIATING AGREEMENTS.
AFTER THAT, I SWITCHED OVER AND BECAME THE FIRST MEMBER OF
THE LARGO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
ONE-MAN SHOW FOR A WHILE.
BUT CITY OF LARGO NEEDED HELP IN THEIR PLANNING DIVISION.
SHORT STAFF, I STEPPED UP, STARTED HELPING THEM, DEVELOPMENT
REVIEW, LONG-RANGE PLANNING BUT UNDER THE CONDITION I WOULD
TAKE ON THE MOST COMPLICATED PROJECT, NOT LITTLE PROJECTS,
THAT NEED THE HELP, AND TAKE ON THE BIGGEST, MOST COMPLEX
SPECIAL AREA PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW PLANS, DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS SUCH A GREAT JOB THE CITY ASKED ME TO TAKE OVER THE
PLANNING DIVISION SO I BECAME THEIR PRINCIPAL PLANNER.
THEY HAD NO PLANNING MANAGER, JUST A DIRECTOR.
SO ALSO WAS THEIR PART TIME ADMINISTRATOR INFORM A YEAR.
AFTER THAT MOVED TO BRADENTON, BECAME THE CENTRAL COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MANAGER, THERE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT,
SOMEWHAT OF A UNICORN AT THE TIME, THE AGENCY BOARD WAS NOT
CITY COUNCIL.

IT WAS ACTUALLY COMPOSED OF OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
A SEPARATE, JUST LIKE HERE, CRA IS A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM
THE CITY WHICH CONFUSED A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL IN THE CITY
INCLUDING THE STAFF.
SEPARATE COMPLETE ENTITY.
CITY COUNCIL, WHEN YOU ARE DOING YOUR CITY STUFF, AND WHEN
YOU COME TO CRA, YOU ARE WEARING THAT HAT FOR THE AGENCY.
SO I DID THAT FOR A FEW YEARS.
BUT THEN CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF BRADENTON DECLARED THEMSELVES
AS THE AGENCY.
SO INSTEAD OF ME LEAVING, THE CITY ADMINISTRATION SAID,
JESUS, COME OVER TO CITY HALL AND BECOME THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE ENTIRE CITY BUT ALSO DO CRAs,
THEN A POSITION OPENED UP IN TAMPA AND I CAME OVER.
I HAVE BEEN HAPPY EVER SINCE.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN URBAN AND REGIONAL
PLANNING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, URBAN POLICY,
ADMINISTRATION, AT THE MANAGEMENT DEVELOP AND REDEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I CHOSE REDEVELOPMENT IS BECAUSE WHEN
I WAS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DOING PLANNING, WE WERE
USUALLY DOING -- I WAS DOING CORPORATE WELFARE.
WE WERE DOING THE QUALIFIED TARGETED INDUSTRIES.
WE WERE GOING OUT THERE, SITTING DOWN WITH THE BIG
CORPORATIONS, ABOUT 500 CORPORATIONS AND SO FORTH TRYING TO
GIVE THEM INCENTIVE TO COME IN.

BUT THEN I STARRED HELPING OUT WITH REDEVELOPMENT ONE DAY.
WE WERE MORE GRASSROOTS.
WE WERE DOWN THERE ON THE STREET LEVEL, HELPING OUT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS, HELPING THEM -- HELPING THOSE
UNDERCAPITALIZED COMMUNITY GET ACCESS TO THAT PIECE OF THE
PIE.
AND I'M HERE NOW.
I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
11:35:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
11:35:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
SAW YOU AT THE CONFERENCE WITH FOLKS THERE WITH THE WEST
TAMPA CRA, AND GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN THIS MORNING.
I DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBVIOUS QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I HAVE TOUGH QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU ARE ALREADY HERE IN
TAMPA.
AND THREE QUESTIONS.
FIRST ONE, TELL ME WHAT OUR PROBLEM IS WITH OUR CRAs FROM
TOP DOWN.
SECONDLY, HOW WOULD YOU CORRECT THEM AND FIX THEM NOW?
WE KNOW MS. TRAVIS HAS BEEN HERE A WHILE, AND HAS BEEN
TOWING THIS TRAIN AROUND ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
HOW DO YOU CONTINUE TO LEAD THAT?
WHAT ARE OUR PROBLEMS AND HOW CAN YOU FIX THEM?
11:35:49AM >>JESUS NINO:
FIRST, ALIS AND NICOLE, THEY ARE A GODSEND.

THEY HAVE TURNED THAT TRAIN.
THEY HAVE STEERED US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE ARE
GETTING THERE.
THE PROBLEMS THAT I SEE IS ORGANIZATIONAL.
IT'S A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CRA ACTUALLY IS.
THE CONFUSION THE CITY WITH THE CRA.
YES, YOU ARE CITY COUNCIL, BUT YOU ARE ALSO CRA BOARD OF
DIRECTORS.
CITY HALF STAFF, AND NOT CRA STAFF, CITY STAFF NEEDS TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THE AGENCY IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
IT IS A SEPARATE ENTITY.
IT'S AN AGENCY.
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT WHENEVER WE UNDERTAKE PROJECTS,
INITIATIVES OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT
WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING WORK FOR THE CRA.
YOU HAVE YOUR FUNDS.
THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE FUNDS ARE USED.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S EDUCATION OUT THERE AS FAR AS THE CITY
BEING EDUCATED ON WHAT CRAS CAN AND CAN'T DO.
THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE ABLE TO USE OUR FUNDS,
UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE CRP PLANS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
IT HAS TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, HAS TO BE
STATUTORILY CORRECT, HAS TO BE IN YOUR BUDGET.
IF IT'S NOT IN THERE WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

NOW, WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CREATIVE WITH IT.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SAY NO.
WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE WITH WHAT WE HAVE GOT.
CITY STAFF NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE SEPARATE.
I'M CITY STAFF, BY THE WAY.
AS A DIRECTOR I WILL BE CITY STAFF.
BUT WE WILL BE CONTRACTED FOR THE CRA.
THAT'S THE CLIENT.
THAT'S WHO TELLS US WHAT TO DO, WHAT IS OUR PLAN, AND OUR
STATUTES.
BASICALLY RIGHT NOW WHAT I SEE IS THAT STAFF IS -- NOT
SAYING ANYTHING BAD THE WAY IT'S COMPOSED, THE STRUCTURE,
BUT IF I WAS TO BECOME THE DIRECTOR, I WOULD CLEAR THAT
TABLE, AND I WOULD RESET THAT TABLE.
THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW, THE STRUCTURE AND THE
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS 15 YEARS AGO.
WE NEED TO EVALUATE OURSELVES, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS NOW, AND
RESTRUCTURE OUR DEPARTMENT.
IT NEEDS TO HAVE A HARD RESET BIG TIME.
NICOLE AND ALIS HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT.
THEY HAVEN'T REALLY LAID OUT ANY PLANS THEY MIGHT HAVE TO
THAT ON ME BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMPLETE RESET.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMPLETE RESET HOW WE ENGAGE THAT
COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND COMING
BACK BEAT UP.

WHY DO WE KEEP GETTING BEAT UP?
HOW ABOUT WE SIT DOWN AND FIGURE THAT OUT, BRING THEM TO THE
TABLE, FIX IT.
HAVE A HARD RESET COMPLETELY.
SAME THING WITH THE BOARD HERE.
MR. CARLSON IS PASSIONATE TO BRING UP THE PAST, HE HAS
LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, AND I RESPECT HIM A LOT BIG TIME.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN SOMEONE DIG INTO DATA THE WAY HE DOES.
I SAW HIM AT BUDGET MEETINGS.
GREAT JOB, BY THE WAY.
BUT THERE'S LEGITIMATE CONCERNS AND WE NEED TO PUT THAT
BEHIND US, LEARN FROM IT, AND JUST MOVE FORWARD.
GROW A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY, WITH THE COMMUNITY, SIT
WITH THEM HAD, DON'T BE AFRAID TO GET OUT THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I DO.
I GET OUT THERE.
I WALK THE STREET.
I WILL SIT DOWN WITH A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL AND CONVERSATION,
AND SIT DOWN WITH A DEVELOPER WITH A MILLION DOLLARS AND
CONVERSE.
I FEEL COMFORTABLE NO MATTER WHERE I AM AT.
11:39:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHEN YOU TALK
11:39:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESET THE DEPARTMENT,
HOW DO YOU RESET THE DEPARTMENT?
TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMS?

TALKING ABOUT CRA?
HOW DO WE DO RESET?
11:39:27AM >>JESUS NINO:
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS NOT LETTING GO OF
ANYBODY.
WE HAVE A TALENTED STAFF.
RIGHT NOW THE STAFF IS VERY SILENT, THE YBOR CITY STAFF,
TAKE POSITIONS ELSEWHERE FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO STEP IN FROM
ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, ANOTHER CRA AREA, IT'S ALMOST LIKE
STARTING A NEW JOB.
WE ARE SO SILOED.
WE DON'T WORK TOGETHER THAT WELL AND THESE ARE TALENTED
INDIVIDUALS.
THAT TALENT NEEDS TO BE TAPPED INTO.
AND WHENEVER YOU DO THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING A STAFF MEETING
WHERE THEY ARE SITTING THERE, THIS IS WHAT I AM DOING NOW, A
LIST, NO REAL FEEDBACK.
OTHER PERSON NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
INSTEAD OF WORK SHOPPING WHAT WE DO TOGETHER.
IF WE ORGANIZE OUR BUDGETS, TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EACH AREA
AND PUT IT IN EVERYBODY'S SALARY, SO THAT WHENEVER WE DO
HAVE PROBLEMS IN EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, WE CAN IMMEDIATELY
PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT TEAM OF TALENTED INDIVIDUALS.
WE NEED TO TAP INTO THOSE TALENTS.
11:40:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL DAY LONG --
11:40:44AM >>JESUS NINO:
I SIT DOWN WITH INDIVIDUALS.

SAME THING WITH YBOR CITY.
YOU KNOW HOW TO DO ALL THIS.
FOR INSTANCE, I'M SHORT OF STAFF.
IT'S JUST THE WAY THE SET-UP IS.
I'M A WORKAHOLIC.
I WORK AND WORK AND WORK.
I TRY TO WORK SMART SMARTER AND I REACH OUT TO OTHER CITY
INDIVIDUALS TO HELP ME OUT BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE
STRUCTURE WAS DIFFERENT, SOMEONE ELSE FROM A DIFFERENT SILO,
ELIMINATE THE STEP IN IMMEDIATELY TO HELP, QUICKLY.
11:41:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DO YOU THINK WE NEED PROJECT MANAGERS?
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE PROJECT MANAGERS.
11:41:20AM >>JESUS NINO:
THEY ARE THE PROJECT MANAGERS.
WE NEED TO GET THEM WELL EDUCATED, WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO
BE, MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS A SUPERSTAR, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE
THAT LEADER.
IF A DIRECTOR LEFT ANYONE COULD STEP IN QUICKLY, MAKE SURE
THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING, UNDERSTAND THE
STATUTE WELL, UNDERSTANDS THE PLANS WELL, UNDERSTANDS THE
POLICIES THAT THE BOARD HAS IN PLACE WELL, AND UNDERSTANDS
THAT PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THE CRA RELATED.
ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THAT YOU CAN COMMUNICATE BETTER TO
THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN GET TO THAT QUICKER WITH THE
COMMUNITY, AND YOU CAN BE MORE CREATIVE, BIG TIME WITH THE
COMMUNITY.

I HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS.
AS FAR AS THOSE MANAGERS, THEY SUPPORT THE PROJECT MANAGERS.
I THINK OTHER POSITIONS SHOULD BE RESTRUCTURED A LITTLE BIT
AS FAR AS MARKETING, COMMUNICATION.
WE HAVE A SUPERSTAR THERE, NEEDS TO BE LET LOOSE.
JUST MARKET WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.
MARKET OUR PROGRAMS.
HAVE OUR DASHBOARD PER NORM ANSWER ON OUR WEBSITE.
ALL OUR PROGRESS IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE, SOCIAL MEDIA,
YOU NAME IT, WEBSITE, DATA.
GIVE THEM ALL THE DATA THEY GOT.
BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
HAVE THE BUDGETS RIGHT THERE ON THE WEBSITE.
WHERE ARE WE AT WITH OUR GOALS FOR THAT BUDGET, HOW MUCH
HAVE WE SPENT SO FAR?
JUST BE VERY TRANSPARENT.
JUST GIVE IT TO THEM AND WORK WITH THEM, CONSTANT FEEDBACK.
ONE OF THE THINGS I DO KNOW, WHENEVER WE DO STUDIES OUT
THERE, THESE CONSULTANTS, THEY COME IN WITH EXTRAORDINARY
IDEAS ON HOW TO ENGAGE THAT COMMUNITY.
AND THEY DO ENGAGE.
SAP FOR EAST TAMPA, THEY HAD ALL THESE -- I AM NOT SAYING
ANYTHING GOOD OR BAD ABOUT THAT SAP.
SOME OF THE MENTALITIES WE USE TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.
ONCE YOU TAKE THOSE METHODOLOGIES INSTEAD OF JUST BEING

STUCK IN THAT PLAN THEY ARE SHOULD HAVE HAD AWAY.
AND STAFF COMES BACK, AND IT'S THE SAME OL' SAME OL'.
WE NEED TO DO OUR OWN PERSONAL SWAT, OUR TEAM SWAT, AND JUST
BE ORGANIC.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHAT I MEAN BY RESET, IS JUST
THE ORGANIC, DO OUR OWN NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WORKING WITH THAT
COMMUNITY AND CRA BOARD WHICH IS MOST IMPORTANT, BECAUSE CRA
BOARD, WE ARE IN CHARGE OF THE AGENCY.
WORK COLOR CLOSE BY WHEN WE DO WORK WITH YOU, THAT THERE ARE
CONVERSATIONS, NOT JUST TELL THEM WHAT WE ARE DOING.
SHARE THAT FEEDBACK WITH EACH OTHER.
AT LARGO, I CHANGED THAT STAFF, AND I TOOK OVER THAT
PLANNING DIVISION, IT CHANGED.
AND I WAS -- THE STAFF MAY HAVE HATED ME AT FIRST BUT ONCE
THEY SAW IT, I BROUGHT UP THEIR CAPACITY, THEIR TALENT,
ADDED TO THEIR TALENTS.
11:44:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GLAD YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SAID
THAT A LONG TIME.
I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CROSS TRAINED.
I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE A SILO.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT MYSELF.
EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW WHAT OTHER CRAs ARE DOING.
YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AREA BUT IT SHOULD
BE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND AGAIN, IF I HAVE GOT EAST TAMPA, I KNOW IT HAS ISSUES, I

WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW SOME R TO PUT THEIR OWN IDEAS.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR, AND YOU HIT ON TWO OBJECTIVES.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:44:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
11:44:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU ANSWERED A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. I
APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION, AND ALSO KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE
TIME NOR DO WE HAVE ROOM FOR ERROR.
WE ARE TOO BUSY, AS YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, YOU SEE HOW WEST
TAMPA HAS BEEN, HOW DREW PARK HAS BEEN, ALL THAT AREA.
BUT I THINK WE ARE EXPERIENCING A RENAISSANCE.
I MENTIONED BE THIS TO OTHER CANDIDATES.
BUTT I WANT EVERYBODY TO ENJOY THOSE, AND AGAIN EAST TAMPA
BEING THE LARGEST CRA, WE HAVE SEEN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
THRIVE AND CHANGE AND CONTINUE TO GROW IN DOWNTOWN, BUT
EQUITY.
EQUITY ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO WE ALL WIN.
ALL CITIZENS OF TAMPA WIN.
ALL COMMUNITY WINS.
AND I PLEASURE YOU NOT LOOKING JUST OUTSIDE THE BOX,
THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, BUT KNOW HOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UTILIZE ALL TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US, AS WELL AS THE
CAC, THE COMMUNITY'S VOICE.
IT'S NOT JUST WE ARE THE BOARD AND WE OVERSEE THE AGENCY.

THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE PEOPLE.
AND THOSE CACs AS YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU WORK WITH THE WEST
TAMPA ONE, VERY PASSIONATE, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, GIVING THEIR
TIME FOR FREE AS VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE SEE THIS
COMMUNITY -- WHEN I SAY COMMUNITY, ENTIRE CITY SUCCEED,
ESPECIALLY THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND, AND NOW
IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
THERE IS NO REASON THAT WE DON'T LOOK BACK FIVE, TEN, 20
YEARS FROM NOW AND SAY THAT WE FAILED.
YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NOW I BELIEVE THE IRON IS HAUTE.
IT'S TIME TO STRIKE.
AND NOT LEAVE ANY STONE UNTURNED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSION.
YOU SAID A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU RANG THAT BELL AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:46:43AM >>JESUS NINO:
IF I COULD MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.
ALISON HEWITT --
BACK HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
MR. HAGAN.
INDIVIDUALS LIKE THAT THAT ARE PASSIONATE.
(NO AUDIO)
TO GIVE THEIR FREE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO BRING THEM TO THE TABLE.

I DID SIT DOWN WITH MS. HEWITT.
SHE HAS LIMITLESS KNOWLEDGE THAT SHE CAN BE SHARING WITH US.
BRING THEM TO THE TABLE.
SEE WHAT THEY GOT.
LET'S WORK IT OUT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN PUT DIAGNOSE TO
BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
11:47:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY DO AND SAY SO MUCH AS A BOARD OR STAFF
OR WE ARE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF OUR JOB AND OUR ELECTED
POSITION, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT VOICE HEAR, THE MOST
IMPORTANT PEOPLE, THE CACs. THOSE ARE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE -- WE GET A CERTAIN PERSPECTIVE.
AND WE LIVE IN A COMMUNITY AND WHATNOT.
BUT THEY SEE THE DAY-TO-DAY -- THEY HEAR THE VOICES OF THE
PEOPLE.
THEY SEE WHERE WE ARE --
THAT IS THE MOST VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT, AND AGAIN THEIR
LIMITLESS KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE IN ONE SEES BETTER THAN THEY
DO.
AND WHEN WE BUILD THIS COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP AND BRING THEM
TO THE TABLE, WHERE THEY ARE NOT WASTING THEIR TIME, THEIR
VOICES ARE HEARD AND THE IDEAS ARE IMPLEMENTED IN WHATEVER
CAPACITY WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING.
AND THAT'S WHAT WILL ALLOW US TO SUCCEED.

AND AGAIN THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE FAIL AT THIS POINT.
WE CAN'T MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE PAST AND WHATNOT.
OUR TIME IS NOW.
AND WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD ...
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11:49:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE NEED TO SEE HOW IT'S ACTUALLY SUPPOSED
TO WORK.
AND I AM GLAD THAT TO ACTUALLY SEE, AND COME BACK TALKING
ABOUT THINGS WE NEED TO DEAL WITH.
SO THANK YOU.
11:50:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA?
11:50:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:51:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU NEED TO GO TO THAT TO SEE HOW IT'S
SUPPOSED TO WORK AND I AM GLAD THAT WE HAD OUR PEOPLE, OUR
CRAs TO ACTUALLY SEE.
I THINK THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WENT ARE GOING TO COME
BACK TALKING ABOUT THINGS, SO THANK YOU.
11:51:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA?
11:51:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
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11:51:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONCENTRATION.
YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE THINGS THAT COME TO THE EYE, FOR
WHATEVER CHANGE HAND HERE.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS TO GET THAT DONE?

11:59:37AM >>JESUS NINO:
AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IT'S AN
EXTREMELY COMPLICATED ISSUE.
OBVIOUSLY ALL THESE THINK TANKS ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT ARE
GETTING TOGETHER TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, DENSITY
BONUSES, LAND TRUSTS, ALL OF THOSE ARE TOOLS.
AS A CRA ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO THAT TAMPA DOESN'T DO
CRA IS TIF REBATES FOR A HOTEL.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO TIF BASED FOR A HOTEL BUT MAYBE FOR AN
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
A PORTION FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS IF THEY ENTER INTO A
LAND USE RESTRICTION AGREEMENT OR SET-ASIDE UNIT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT I SEE WITH MUNICIPALITIES IS
ALSO THEIR REGULATION.
THEY SLOW DOWN THINGS.
AND I SEE THE CITY, AND VERY TALENTED PLANNERS, A SUPERSTAR,
BY THE WAY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPERSTARS IN THE CITY.
NEED TO BE TAPPED INTO.
IF WE CAN GET THOSE REGULATIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE
STREAMLINED, THEY TAKE AWAY SOME OF THAT COST AND TIME.
THERE'S JUST SO MANY TECHNIQUES OBVIOUSLY THE CITY HAS,
DENSITY BONUSES, THEY USE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, CRA,
AGAIN, WHATEVER WE DO, CAPITAL PROJECTS, ALL THAT OTHER GOOD
STUFF, WE NEED TO BE -- IF IT'S ALREADY IN THE CIP WE CAN'T

DO IT.
IF IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY THEY NEED TO BE DO.
WE CAN GO OUT AND INTENSIFY AS FAR AS PROJECTS WE DO TO
MINIMIZE A LITTLE BIT OF COST FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS.
AT THE END.
DAY THEY ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY.
12:01:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH YOU TO A POINT BUT I HAVE A
LITTLE DOUBT, THE REGULATION, SOMETIMES REGULATION NEEDS TO
DO IT THE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOU.
I AM JUST SAYING THAT'S MY OPINION.
12:01:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COMPLICATED ISSUE.
12:01:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
12:01:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS,
PHONE CALLS, WHEN THEY ASK THE QUESTION, A LOT OF BOARD
MEMBERS HAVE NEVER HAD AN ACTUAL SEAT.
DON'T NOTICE HOW IT REALLY WORKS.
MY FRIEND THE POLICEMAN OVER THERE KNOWS HOW IT IS TO BE A
SENIOR EMPLOYEE.
IT'S A DIFFERENT MIND-SET.
THERE ARE RULES TO THE ORGANIZATION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF RULES THAT YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
AND YOU DEFEND SOMETIMES AND DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE
DEFENDING.
NEED A CITY EMPLOYEE SOMETIMES WHAT THEY GO THROUGH, CHAIN

OF COMMAND OR SAYING CERTAIN THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE SAID
OR TOLD.
YOU COULDN'T SAY IT BUT I CAN SAY IT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IT
WORKS.
THEY WERE TOLD IT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
WASN'T A TIME FRAME.
WE WEREN'T READY FOR THAT YET.
HOLD THEM AT BAY RIGHT NOW.
THE LAST MANAGER DIRECTOR WAS OVERWHELMED AND KEPT SAYING WE
NEED TO HIRE.
OVERWHELMED.
AT CRA, YOU CAN'T BE A ONE-MAN CRA.
IT MAKES NO SENSE.
LIKE MS. TRAVIS HAS FOUR JOBS.
HOW IS SHE GOING TO RUN A CRA WITH ALL THE RESPONSIBILITIES?
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
SO I KNOW YOU STATED THE QUESTION, MR. CARLSON ANSWERED, I
KNOW THE PROCESS.
I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE.
YOU WERE CANDID.
HOW DO WE FIX THAT?
MR. MIRANDA TALKED THE REHAB.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, OLD
CHURCHES, AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT OUTSOURCING?

HOW DO YOU GET IT DONE? YOU TALK ABOUT COMING IN AND DOING
A CONCENTRATION WITH STAFF, BUT I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU,
IF I WAS A CRA DIRECTOR, I WAS A DIRECTOR, PLAN FOR A JOB,
AND I KNOW THAT THIS BOARD, ONE OR TWO SPECIFIC AREAS, MY
MIND-SET WILL BE, I GOT TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM AT HAND?
YOU HAVE BEEN HERE.
TELL US THE PROBLEM AT HAND FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA AND HOW
YOU CAN GO IN AND FIX OR BE ABLE TO START WITH MR. DRUMGO
AND MS. TRAVIS WILL START IT, TELL ME HOW YOU DO IT.
12:04:39PM >>JESUS NINO:
THAT BALL IS ROLLING HARD DO I KNOW THAT
HILL.
SO THEY GOT THAT STARTED.
BUT AS FAR AS ME, I WOULD TRY TO -- THIS IS WHAT I ALREADY
DO.
I TRY TO FIND THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET IT, AND I TRY TO
OPERATE ON SPEED BUT ALSO DOING THINGS CORRECTLY AND
LEGALLY.
LET'S SAY FOR EAST TAMPA.
I AM NOT SURE WHY THEY AREN'T MOVING AS QUICKLY AS THEY ARE.
BUT IF I DID GET IN THERE, I WOULD FIND OUT QUICKLY, TRY TO
FIX THOSE.
AS FAR AS WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, IF WE NEED TO HIRE A
CONSULTANT TO BRING IN TO HELP TO BUY THOSE PROPERTIES,
LET'S DO IT. IF THE CRA BEING THE OWNER OF THOSE

PROPERTIES, LET'S DO IT.
I AM NOT USED TO HAVING A CITY -- I JUST CAME FROM A
DIFFERENT WORLD WHERE IF CRA HAD A TIF FUND THEY GOT BOUGHT,
UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT CRA, AND THAT MIGHT SPEED UP THE
PROCESS AS WELL.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY ONCE THESE SUNSET IT'S GOING TO
TRANSFER TO THE CITY, SELL IT TO A PROPERTY OWNER FOR SOME
REASON.
I WOULD JUST TRY TO FIND THOSE INEFFICIENCIES, FIX THEM AS
QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
I AM KIND OF LOOKING AT OTHER MODELS.
I DID WORK FOR LARGO AND I KNOW THEY STARTED SHIFTING OVER
TO HEY PERFORMANCE TYPE ORGANIZATIONS THERE AS FAR AS WHERE
EVERYBODY BECOMES A LEADER, EVERYBODY IS EFFICIENT IN SKILLS
AND EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU FIND SOME KIND OF IMPEDIMENT YOU
FIX THAT QUICKLY.
DON'T LET IT LINGER ON.
SO I AM LOOKING AT THOSE TYPE MODELS TO BRING HERE, AS FAR
AS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ORGANIZATION IS MOVING PROJECTS
QUICKLY, CORRECTLY, IN THE RIGHT WAY, AND WHATEVER IMPACT IT
HAS FOR THE FUTURE ARE EXTREMELY MINIMAL BUT FOR THE MOST
PART MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE OUT THERE.
12:06:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
12:06:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW UP.
JESUS, YOU ANSWERED VERY DIPLOMATICALLY YOU CAN SAY

SOMETHING ELSE.
MEMBER GUDES, YOU SAID THAT STAFF WERE TOLD NOT TO IMPLEMENT
CERTAIN PROJECTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT?
12:06:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T NEED EVIDENCE TO KNOW HOW THE
ORGANIZATION WORKS.
12:07:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE I WOULD JUST SAY --
12:07:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ASKED THE QUESTION.
I DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.
I JUST KNOW BEING A LONG-TIME EMPLOYEE HOW THE PROCESS
WORKS.
AND THEY KNOW WHERE I AM GOING AND KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
IT'S JUST A PROCESS WITHIN THE CITY, WHAT THEY CALL FORM OF
GOVERNMENT.
SO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST THE BALL.
WE DON'T TELL COUNCILWOMAN THAT.
NOW, WE WERE TOLD NOT TO TELL COUNCIL.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
12:07:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND I WILL JUST SAY -- AND I KNOW IT'S
SLIGHTLY OFF SUBJECT -- BUT THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE OR
INFORMATION, WE HEARD RUMORS FOR THREE YEARS, THERE'S A LOT
OF EVIDENCE AND INFORMATION THAT STARTED CIRCULATING ABOUT
HOW STAFF LOOKS AT CITY COUNCIL, AND HOW THEY TREAT CITY
COUNCIL, AND IT'S VERY DISTURBING, AND EVEN I WILL TELL MY
COLLEAGUES IF YOU START TO SEE ANY OF IT EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT

A TARGET OF IT, I HOPE YOU WILL BE DISTURBED BY IT BECAUSE
IT'S NOT THE PROFESSIONAL COLLABORATIVE WAY WE SHOULD BE
WORKING AND IF THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT OCCURRING IN
THE CRA, WE SHOULD FIND OUT ABOUT IT.
AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, I'M A COLLABORATIVE PERSON
UNTIL NOBODY LISTENS.
I HAVE HAD IN THE LAST THREE DAYS TWO CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
CHIEF OF STAFF AND ONE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE I AM
CONCERNED THIS IS NOT HOW A CITY SHOULD OPERATE.
12:08:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. TRAVIS SAYS THE MAYOR HANDLES ALL
EMPLOYEE -- TO GET US BACK ON TRACK HERE, FIRST OF ALL, I
WAS NEVER PRIVY TO WHATEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE I WAS ALWAYS
FOCUSED ON THE BALL, DOING WHAT I HAD TO DO IN DREW PARK AND
WEST TAMPA, WORKING WITH YOUR DIRECTION, WORKING WITH THE
COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH.
IT MY FOCUS IS THE CRAs.
WHATEVER HAPPENED.
AND I RESPECTFULLY WOULD ASK MR. CARLSON, LET'S MOVE THIS
TRAIN FORWARD MORE.
LET'S CONTINUE THAT BALL ROLLING, THAT MOMENTUM HAS ALREADY
BEEN CREATED.
THERE ARE SUPERSTAR STAFF MEMBERS THERE.
THEY ARE LIKE ME.
THEY ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT THEY GOT TO DO.
YES, WE ARE AWARE OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT I WAS NEVER IN

ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
I WAS JUST FOCUSED ON WHAT I HAVE GOT TO DO AND THAT'S WHAT
I WOULD DO, FOCUS, HOW TO WORK, MAKE ANY RELATIONS I HAVE
TO.
12:09:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK JUST TO END THAT, WE HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE SEW THAT WE CAN TRY TO
NEGOTIATE NOT HAVING IT HAPPEN AGAIN AND I HOPE WHOEVER THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS THEY DON'T FACE THAT, AND HEAR ARE TWO
QUICK EXAMPLES.
WHEN WE HAD STRAZ CENTER ON THE BUDGET FOR SIX MONTHS AND
SUDDENLY AT THE END A WRENCH GOT THROWN IN IT, AND THE
RESULT WAS THAT AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS HIGHLY EXPECTED AND
GIVES A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY, FELT HUMILIATED AND ALMOST
DESTROYED THEIR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.
WE WERE PUTTING 75 MILLION TO IMPROVE A CITY FACILITY.
THE OTHER ONE WAS JACKSON HOUSE WHERE WE PUT IN A MILLION
DOLLARS AND THERE WAS A PREFERENCE CONFERENCE WE WEREN'T
TOLD ABOUT IT AND BEE WEREN'T INVITED SO I THINK THERE'S A
LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE GOING FORWARD AND
HOPEFULLY EVERYONE WILL APPROACH THIS FROM A DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVE.
THANK YOU.
12:10:27PM >>JESUS NINO:
LEARN FROM IT AND MOVE FORWARD.
12:10:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN
CARLSON'S QUESTION ABOUT WEST TAMPA A LITTLE BIT AND WHAT

HAPPENED WITH THE -- WITH THAT BASICALLY EDICT THAT WE WANT
TO SPEND 30%.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU GOT PUSHBACK FROM THE
COMMUNITY.
HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO STILL COMMUNICATE THAT AND PUSH THINGS
FORWARD AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS WAS AN EDICT THAT WAS
COMING DOWN? HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT AND BASICALLY
JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE DIFFERENT?
12:11:15PM >>JESUS NINO:
FIRST OF ALL, KNOWING SOME OF THOSE
INDIVIDUALS, IF THEY HAD A TRUE ISSUE, THEY WOULD HAVE SHOWN
UP AT THE CRA MEETING AND SAID WHATEVER THEY WERE GOING TO
SAY.
THEY MADE THEIR POINT, AND THEIR POINT WAS CONVERSE WITH
THEM AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN JUST KIND OF
THROWING IT AT THEM.
IF THEY ARE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, AT THE END OF THE
DAY, THEY UNDERSTAND THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE, THEY
UNDERSTAND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A BIG ISSUE, UNDERSTAND
IT'S A BIG ISSUE THERE IN WEST TAMPA.
MOST LIKELY THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN SIMILAR ACTIONS WHATEVER
BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT DOWN PAYMENT
ASSISTANCE, ALREADY TALKING ABOUT HOW TO HELP INDIVIDUALS IN
THEIR HOMES.
THEY ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THAT.
GET TO THEM A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

AND I KIND OF AGREED WITH SOME OF THEM, MOST OF THEM AS FAR
AS WHAT THE ISSUES WERE.
THEY NEED TO BE APPROACHED.
THEY NEED TO BE PART OF THAT TABLE TO DISCUSS THINGS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHATEVER DIRECTION THE CRA BOARD
MAKES, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDING ARE AT LEAST
PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
AND THEY DO.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN AT YOUR CRA BOARD.
12:12:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE A DISAGREEMENT
WITH THEM?
12:12:35PM >>JESUS NINO:
I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT.
IT DEPENDS WHAT THAT DISAGREEMENT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT.
IF I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, CRA, OR OUR BUDGET, AND I AM
GOING TO LET YOU KNOW.
AND IF I AM NOT SURE, WE HAVE GOT LEGAL COUNSEL TO STEP IN.
IF IT'S MORE OF A POLICY ISSUE OR OTHER DIRECTIONS, WHATEVER
YOU MAY HAVE, THEN I AM GOING TO DO WHATEVER YOU TELL ME TO
DO.
IF I SEE SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS NOT CORRECT I WILL BRING
IT UP.
OR IF I WANT TO GIVE YOU ADVICE, TAKE IT BACK TO THE CAC TO
AVOID ANY ISSUES AS FAR AS THEM BEING NOT PART OF THIS
CONVERSATION.
I WILL DOUGH THAT, TOO.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, BUT I WILL TELL YOU
WHATEVER I NEED TO TELL YOU.
12:13:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE?
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
12:13:24PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:13:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE HAVE --
12:13:36PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I KNOW YOU ARE HUNGRY AND READY TO GET
OUT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING INTERVIEWS THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE THE MEET AND GREET THIS AFTERNOON HERE AT THE
CONVENTION CENTER, 6:00 P.M. TO 7:30.
THERE IS THE PARKING CODE FOR ANYONE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT
WANTS TO COME THAT WON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.
THERE WILL BE REFRESHMENTS.
IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS LIKE TO PROVIDE OFFLINE, WOULD
LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT, YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU NEED
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU WITH THAT.
NEXT WEEK, WEDNESDAY ON OCTOBER 26 AT 9:00 A.M., HERE AT THE
CONVENTION CENTER IN THIS ROOM, WE WILL HAVE THE FINAL
DECISION AND DISCUSSION ON YOUR CRA DIRECTOR AND HOW YOU
WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED.

12:14:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
12:14:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S FINE, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE FOR YOU
TO -- YOU HEARD THE CANDIDATES TODAY AS WELL.
YOU WILL SEE THEM TONIGHT WHEN THEY MEET WITH COMMUNITY
MEMBERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU BRING BACK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS
WELL TO THE BOARD SO WE AREN'T GOING BACK AND FORTH, AND YOU
CAN TELL US HOW YOU KIND OF FEEL OR WHAT DIRECTION.
SO I WOULD LIKE SOME DIRECTION AS WELL, RECOMMENDATION FROM
YOU.
12:14:54PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YOU PUT ME ON THE SPOT.
OKAY.
12:14:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
12:15:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCLOSURE, ON THE
26th, THAT APPARENTLY WASN'T PUT ON MY CALENDAR AND THEN
I SET A MEDIATION THAT IS NOW COURT ORDERED THAT DAY.
SO LET ME ASK YOU, ON THE 26th ARE WE GOING TO BE VOTING
ON THAT DAY?
12:15:20PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THAT'S CORRECT.
THE BOARD WILL VOTE ON WHATEVER DIRECTION, WHETHER IT'S A
SPECIFIC CANDIDATE, WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD OR REDO
A RECRUITMENT PROCESS, WHATEVER YOUR DIRECTION IS.
I JUST NEED FEEDBACK FROM YOU.
I AM HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE.
I KNOW ABOUT YOUR CONFLICT AND I AM HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU

OFFLINE AND BRING YOU THAT FEEDBACK TO THE COUNCIL.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HEARD IN THE DISCUSSIONS TODAY,
I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT NOVEMBER WE ARE BRINGING BACK THE
30% RECOMMENDATION FROM EACH OF THE CRA DISTRICTS ON HOW
THEY ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IN DECEMBER I AM BRINGING BACK TO YOU A RECOMMENDATION ON
STAFFING.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT KEEP THAT IN YOUR MIND THAT THAT'S
COMING, AND YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON
YOUR CRA DIRECTOR SPECIFIC TO STAFFING LEVELS BECAUSE WE
WILL HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION.
STAFFING, DIRECTION, AND SOME OF THAT CROSS COLLABORATION
THAT WAS MENTIONED TODAY.
12:16:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
AND I WILL TALK TO YOU ON TWO ISSUES WHICH IS NUMBER ONE THE
CANDIDATE THAT I THINK IS THE BEST, AS WELL AS MY THOUGHTS
ON SEEKING MORE CANDIDATES, WHICH I WOULD LIKELY DISAPPROVE
OF.
THERE WE GO.
THANK YOU.
12:16:35PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:16:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.

OKAY, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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