TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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09:01:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OCTOBER 20, 2022.
I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS THE INVOCATION.
[LAUGHTER]
09:01:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:01:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE HAVE THE PLEASURE THIS MORNING OF HAVING REVEREND
KENDRICK J. GARNER.
SINCE THE AGE OF 17, HE HAS BEEN TEACHING AND PREACHING THE
GOSPEL.
TEACHING EDISON ELEMENTARY IN MY DISTRICTS WITH HILLSBOROUGH
SCHOOL SYSTEM.
HE HAS BEEN HONORED WITH A DOCTORATE OF DIVINITY IN JACKSON,
FLORIDA.
SELECTED BY WHO'S WHO OF THE CLERGY.
HE SERVES AS A SENIOR LEAD PASTOR OF THE FRIENDSHIP
MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH ON LAKE AVENUE.
HE IS A PUBLISHED AUTHOR WITH THREE WIDELY BOOKS.
KEEPER OF HOPE, VISION AND SALVATION.
HE IS MARRIED TO HIS LOVELY WIFE.
I GIVE YOU REVEREND KENDRICK GARNER.
09:02:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF EVERYBODY CAN PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN
STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:02:44AM >> PLEASE BOW OUR HEADS.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS PRIVILEGE, THIS
MOMENT AND OPPORTUNITY.
WE COME IN THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU GRACE AND WISDOM FOR
THESE COUNCILMEN AND COUNCILWOMAN.
WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE THEM KNOWLEDGE, GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION
FOR THE WELL BEING OF THE CITY IN ALL SECTORS.
WE PRAY YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM, UNDERSTANDING AND FORESIGHT
ABOVE THEIR HUMAN UNDERSTANDING AND ACADEMIC MATRICULATION.
WE ASK THAT YOU DIVINELY PUT YOUR HAND ON THE CITY, DIRECT
THE CITY IN THE DIRECTION AND PLACE YOU WILL BE WHERE ALL OF
THE CITIZENS ARE BEING BLESSED AND ALL OF THE CITIZENS ARE
EXPERIENCING THE BEAUTY OF LIFE BY LIVING IN THIS GREAT
CITY.
WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE PROTECTION.
WE SEE STORMS THAT COME AND YOU FAVOR TAMPA.
AND WE GIVE YOU PRAISE, GLORY AND HONOR FOR THAT.
WE ASK, GOD, EVEN FOR OUR SOCIAL STORMS, CIVIL STORMS, OUR
ECONOMIC STORMS, WE THANK YOU, FATHER, FOR ALL LEVELS OF
STORM THAT YOU SHOW US YOUR SAME GRACE AND YOUR HAND WILL
TOUCH, CONTROL AND GUIDE THE HEARTS OF THESE MEMBERS.
THIS IS WHAT QUESTION DO PRAY AND WE ASK THIS IN YOUR LOVING
NAME JESUS.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, PLEASE BE SEATED.
ROLL CALL.
09:04:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:04:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:04:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:04:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:04:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:04:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:04:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:04:29AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
09:04:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNTY ATTORNEY.
PUBLIC AND CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS CAN WATCH ON SPECTRUM
640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 AND ON THE INTERNET AT
TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
MEMBERS CAN ATTEND IN PERSON AT COUNCIL CHAMBERS 315 E.
KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY WHAT IS REFERRED
TO BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND RULES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA
TECHNOLOGY.
THE WAY TO DO THAT IS THROUGH PREREGISTERING AND THE
INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE AGENDA, ON THE NOTICE AND
ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM ASKING YOU TO
WAIVE THE RULES TO ALLOW THE CMT.
09:05:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU.
WE WILL NOW GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE
ADDENDUMS OF THE AGENDA.
09:05:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH
THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME WITH THE STAFF REPORTS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF PREPARED SOMETHING TO
ASSIST YOU OR DO YOU WISH TO --
09:06:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE CHIEF AND I HAVE ALREADY MADE EYE
CONTACT AND I AM HOPING THAT CHIEF WILL STEP UP TO THE
PODIUM AT THIS TIME.
09:06:14AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
MORE THAN HAPPY TO.
09:06:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
09:06:18AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
HERE IS HARD COPY THAT COUNCIL CAN FOLLOW
ALONG AND PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD TO SEE IF THAT HELPS AS
WELL.
THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO SUPPORT COUNCIL IN A VERY BUSY,
COMPLEX AGENDA TODAY.
I WILL WAIT FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE A COPY.
WHEN WE DID THE AGENDA VERY VIEW -- FIRST OF ALL, JOHN
BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
WE DID THE AGENDA REVIEW AND THE FINAL DRAFT CAME OUT, 26
STAFF REPORTS WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY VOLUMINOUS.
I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY AFTER HOURS TO THROW THE STAFF REPORT
MATRIX AND IF COUNCIL'S PRESSURE WE WILL WALK THROUGH THIS
AND MAY COMPRESS THE STAFF REPORT WITHOUT MOVING ANY OF THE
CONTENT AND MOVING THE AGENDA ALONG.
COUNCIL'S PRESSURE I WILL WALK THROUGH THIS AND SEE IF THERE
ARE ANY CHANGES.
09:07:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ABSOLUTELY, PLEASE PROCEED.
09:07:18AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THE BEST THING TO DO IF YOU SEE WHAT IS ON
THE OVERHEAD, I ADDED ROW NUMBERS.
I APOLOGIZE.
I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT WHEN I TYPED IT UP.
IF YOU LOOK AT CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTNOTE, ITEM 3-10 ARE STAFF REPORTS
BASED ON ACTION ITEMS THAT YOU TYPICALLY HAVE A DOLLAR
AMOUNT WITH THEM.
I WILL MOVE PAST THOSE FIRST 3-10.
THE WAY THEY ARE BUNDLED ON THIS MATRIX IS BY THE STAFF
LEAD.
THAT WAY EVERYTHING COULD BE BUNDLED TOGETHER FOR THAT
PARTICULAR STAFF MEMBER OF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
BUT ITEM 11, YOU CAN SEE DOWN IN ROW NUMBER 9, THAT BELONGS
TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT COULD BE PRESENTED THERE.
ITEM 12 -- I FURTHER THE MOTION MAKER THERE IN CASES THERE
ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE MOTION MAKER.
SO ITEM 12 ALSO IS A CITY COUNCIL ITEM IN ROW 9.
ITEM 13 IS A TPD ITEM.
AND, AGAIN, I THINK CITY -- CITY ATTORNEY MEGAN NEWCOMB IS
HERE AS WELL AS DEPUTY CHIEF CALVIN JOHNSON.
NO ACTION REQUIRED ON THAT.
AND THERE IS A MEMORANDUM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CARRY THESE -- AS FAR AS WHAT
YOU NORMALLY DO AND SAY, YES, YOU NEED THE PERSON THERE.
I WILL ASSUME THE STAFF WILL NEED TO BE HERE UNTIL I HEAR
OTHERWISE.
ITEM 14 IS -- IT'S IN ROW 3, UNDER "ADMINISTRATOR WYNN."
ITEM 15 IS IN ROW NUMBER 4 WITH DIRECTOR BHIDE.
ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT.
AND ROW 8, I APOLOGIZE.
ITEM 17, YOU CAN SEE ALSO IN ROW 8.
18, 19 AND 20 ARE ALSO IN ROW 8.
MANY OF THOSE REQUIRE A CONTINUANCE SO I THINK THOSE COULD
BE MOVED IN A BLOCK IF COUNCIL AND MR. SHELBY AGREE WITH
THAT.
WHEN WE GET TO ITEM 21, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS UP IN ROW 4 WITH
DIRECTOR BHIDE.
IF THOSE TWO ARE HANDLED TOGETHER THAT COULD MOVE THAT
QUICKLY.
ITEM 22 IS ALSO WITH ADMINISTRATOR WYNN IN ROW 3.
IF MISS WYNN IS UP HANDLE 14 AND 22 TOGETHER, THAT CAN BE
COMPRESSED.
ITEM 23, AS YOU NOTE, IS ALSO A COUNCIL ITEM IN ROW 9.
ITEM 24, 25, 26 AND 27, I ADOPTED THOSE TO BUNDLE THOSE
TOGETHER PAUSE THEY HAVE LIKE CONTENT AND I WAS GOING TO
SUGGEST PRESENTING THAT UNDER ADMINISTRATOR UPDATE ITEM 3
BECAUSE MAY HAVE BENEFIT FOR COUNCIL FOR SOME OF THE REST OF
THE ITEMS.
FINALLY WHEN WE GET TO 28, THAT, AGAIN, IS A COUNCIL ITEM.
SO IF IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE -- AND THIS DOESN'T
NECESSARILY DESCRIBE THE ORDER FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, JUST
SAYING THAT WHEN THOSE ITEMS COME UP IN A BUNDLE, YOU WILL
HAVE IS THE ADMINISTRATOR'S ATTENTION FOR BOTH OF THOSE
ITEMS.
ON THE FAR RIGHT, I PUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS ACTION
REQUIRED OR NOT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT COUNCIL MAY NOT TAKE ACTION ON IT.
IT JUST MEANS THAT THE ONES THAT SAY YES REQUIRE SOME SORT
OF A VOTE TODAY TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
SO IF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO FOLLOW THIS SEQUENCE EITHER BY
NUMBER OR BY STAFF MEMBER, WE ARE PREPARED TO DO EITHER ONE.
09:10:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:10:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. BENNETT, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT YOU
ALL WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE NUMBER 24.
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU MIGHT ADDRESS IT.
09:11:09AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER, IF
THAT'S OKAY.
09:11:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TALK ABOUT IT TODAY AND CONTINUE IT UNDER
DISCUSSION.
09:11:18AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WANTED TO BRING IT UP TODAY.
09:11:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FOR BREVITY, CAN WE CONTINUE IT.
09:11:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT UP.
09:11:27AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
LET'S MAKE --
09:11:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU CAN STILL TALK ABOUT IT IN THE ADMIN
REPORT.
09:11:35AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ALL RIGHT, PERFECT.
09:11:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I -- I ASKED I THINK BY MEMO TO CONTINUE 15
AND 16.
09:11:42AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CORRECT.
09:11:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHEN WE RUN THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS, WE
WILL DO SO AT THE TIME.
09:11:48AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ITEM 15 WAS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE AS WELL.
09:11:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
15 IS TIDE TO 16.
09:11:57AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
UNDERSTOOD.
09:11:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
RUNNING THROUGH THE AGENDA.
I LIKE THE MATRIX.
09:12:02AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
FAIR ENOUGH.
09:12:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
09:12:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH
THESE BECAUSE EACH ONE HAS AN EXTENSIVE MEMORANDUM THAT MAY
SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND NOT HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
09:12:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS WHAT I JUST SAID.
WE WILL GO THROUGH IT.
09:12:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THANK YOU.
09:12:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TO ASK THE MAKER OF THE MOTIONS
IF THE MEMOS THEY HAVE RECEIVED FROM STAFF ARE ADEQUATE FOR
THEM ALSO.
09:12:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT ALSO A QUESTION FOR EVERY MEMBER OF
COUNCIL BECAUSE ONCE IT IS A MOTION OF COUNCIL, IT REALLY IS
-- IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS A QUESTION THAT COULD CERTAINLY
RESOLVE IF THEY WANT TO HAVE STAFF PRESENT, THEY CAN
CERTAINLY ARRANGE THAT.
09:12:44AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO START AT 11
BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE BEFORE 11 REQUIRING A VOTE.
MONETIZED.
09:12:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU ARE ASKING IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR
ADMINISTRATION UPDATE FOR 24, 25, 26 AND 27 TO BE HEARD AT
THE SAME TIME?
09:13:00AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CORRECT.
09:13:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:13:02AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ITEM 4 WAS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE.
09:13:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO TIME CERTAIN ON THAT?
09:13:11AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THAT'S CORRECT.
09:13:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN ON ITEM 4 --
09:13:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAIT, WAIT.
I AM SORRY.
09:13:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AM I RECOGNIZED SIR?
09:13:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
09:13:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:13:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM NUMBER 4, I RECOGNIZED REQUEST FOR
CONTINUANCE AND REPRESENTATIVE HART IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT
ITEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WANTS TO HEAR FROM HIS HART OR NOT,
BUT SHE IS HERE.
AND I GUESS SHE IS GIVING ITEMS TO COUNCILMEMBERS AS WELL.
SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CONTINUING, BUT MISS HART IS
HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM.
09:13:51AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
09:13:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND ALSO 4 AND 5, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
09:13:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION
THAT YOU KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA UNTIL YOU HEAR AT LEAST WHAT
THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY.
09:14:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
ITEMS 5, 6 AND 7 WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER.
09:14:14AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
FIVE IS A STAND ALONE.
6, 7 AND 8 WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S UNDER CFO ROGERO.
09:14:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:14:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CARLSON.
09:14:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. BENNETT, YOU WILL TALK OF TRANSPARENCY
TODAY.
NUMBER 6 DOESN'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
YOU PULL UP THE BACK UP AND A HIGHER NUMBER OF 312 MILLION
AND SEEMS THAT SHOULD BE CONTINUED BECAUSE THE NUMBER WAS
NOT THERE.
NUMBER 7, ALSO $61 MILLION.
I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE NUMBERS THAT BIG FOR
WHATEVER, THAT THE NUMBER SHOULD BE IN THE DISCLOSURE AND
THE SUMMARY SO THE PUBLIC CAN QUICKLY SEE IT.
I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU.
I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOU.
MY MOTION FOR TRANSPARENCY WILL BE TO CONTINUE IT FOR NEXT
WEEK.
09:15:10AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHIEF ROGERO.
09:15:13AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO THE ADMINISTRATOR
HANDLING IT.
09:15:18AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
REAL QUICKLY ON THE ITEMS.
REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS.
WE HAVE MR. MILLER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE RESOLUTIONS
MEAN.
IN THE RECITALS IT IND CATES THAT WE WILL HAVE A BOND UP TO
THAT AMOUNT.
THESE RESOLUTIONS DON'T APPROVE THE AMOUNT.
JUST THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT STARTING CERTAIN PROJECTS IN
ADVANCE TO THE BOND ISSUANCE.
IF WE ISSUE THE BONDS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RESOLUTIONS PASS TO PAY FOR THOSE
PROJECTS OUT OF THE BOND ISSUANCE SO THAT'S HOW --
09:15:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN WE GET TO IT, I WILL ASK QUESTIONS FOR
THE.PUBLIC, BUT MY POINT IS THE PUBLIC -- WE HAVE A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THAT READ THE AGENDA AND HAD THEY SEEN
THE $312 MILLION OR $61 MILLION NUMBER.
IT WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THEIR ATTENTION.
LUCKILY I READ THE BACK-UP AND SAW IT, BUT WHATEVER IT IS
FOR, I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
SO MY -- AGAIN, I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU.
MY SUGGESTION THAT WE CONTINUE IT UNTIL NEXT WEEK TO GIVE
THE PUBLIC A CHANCE --
09:16:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A MOTION -- THEN LET'S
MOVE FORWARD PLEASE.
09:16:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THEM.
09:16:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE NOW AT NUMBER 9.
09:16:33AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CORRECT.
09:16:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
NUMBER 9 IS REQUESTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND REQUIRES A VOTE.
AND POLICE FEELEY IS HERE FOR THAT.
09:16:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 10, CHIEF.
09:16:46AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
NUMBER 10 REQUIRES A VOTE AND THE DIRECTOR
IS HERE.
NUMBER 11 IS COUNCIL'S ITEM.
09:16:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
12?
09:17:01AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
12, AGAIN, IS AN ITEM FOR COUNCIL TO
DISCUSS.
09:17:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, THAT IS YOUR MOTION.
09:17:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
12, YOU SAID?
09:17:13AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THE BUDGET ADVISORY --
09:17:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, YES.
09:17:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, 13.
09:17:19AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ITEM 13 IS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND
THEY ARE PRESENT.
RECOMMEND GOING FORWARD ON THAT.
09:17:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, 14.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THAT IS ALSO YOURS.
09:17:29AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO STAFF NEEDED.
I WILL MAKE COMMENTS ON IT INCLUDING ON THE GROUNDBREAKING
AND OTHER ISSUES, BUT, NO, NO STAFF NEEDED FOR THAT.
09:17:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:17:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
REQUEST TO CONTINUE.
09:17:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
15 AND 16 TO BE SEEN IN STAFF REPORTS ON
MARCH 16.
09:17:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MARCH 16.
I HAD DOWN HERE FEBRUARY 23.
SO YOU ARE SAYING MARCH 16.
09:17:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, PLEASE.
09:18:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
15 AND 16.
09:18:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:18:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU 17, CHIEF.
09:18:19AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHAIRMAN, 17-250 HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO
CONTINUE, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT DATES TIED TO THOSE AND I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT ONE AT A TIME FOR
CONTINUANCE.
09:18:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 17 TO OCTOBER 27 --
09:18:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME -- MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:18:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:18:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE BEEN KICKING 17 DOWN THE ROAD.
IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS, I WANT RECOMMENDATIONS TO
MOVE THIS FORWARD BEFORE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR WITH THE
COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
SO MR. SHELBY.
09:18:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL WAIT FOR THE CHAIR TO RECOGNIZE ME.
09:18:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CONTINUED ONE WEEK TO THE 27th.
IT IS ON THE AGENDA UNTIL THE 27th.
09:19:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT SOME RESOLVE ON THE 27th FOR THAT
ITEM.
09:19:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:19:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW IT IS A WORKSHOP.
09:19:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL GUDES, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A
RECOMMENDATION -- I CAN HOLDS THIS TO NEW BUSINESS.
THE ORDER OF THE WORKSHOP, A LAND DEVELOPMENT AND A LOT OF
CONTINUANCES.
I ASK THAT THEY BE GROUPED TOGETHER AT THE START OF THE
MEETING INCLUDING THIS MOTION TO TAKE CARE OF THEM EARLY AND
GROUPED TOGETHER AS LAND DEVELOPMENT ITEMS AND TAKEN EARLY
IN THE WORKSHOPS.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE MAJOR SIGNIFICANCE.
09:19:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
MR. DRUMGO IS COMING UP.
09:19:44AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
HE SAID HE IS READY.
09:19:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL BE RIGHT SIDE.
THANK YOU.
09:19:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ITEM 17 CONTINUED UNTIL FEBRUARY 23.
09:19:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
09:20:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
09:20:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 CONTINUED THROUGH FEBRUARY 23.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMANkt.
ALL IN FAVOR.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 IS TO THE 27th.
MOVED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
09:20:25AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ITEM 21 HAS A MEMORANDUM FROM
DIRECTOR BHIDE.
09:20:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIR, I AM GOOD WITH THAT.
09:20:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD WITH THE MEMO FROM MR. BHIDE.
09:20:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I MAY TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE.
09:20:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL OKAY WITH THE MEMO BY
MR. BHIDE.
09:20:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
INSTEAD OF STRIKE IT, A MOTION TO RECEIVE
AND FILE.
09:21:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:21:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
09:21:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:21:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, WITH 22, I ASK THAT SOMEBODY
BE PRESENT BUT ALSO ITEM 35 IF YOU NOTICE IS $100,000 ITEM
TO A FIRM THAT IS OUT OF TOWN BUT TO STUDY THE -- THE TRASH
FREE TAMPA BAY CASE STUDY.
MY QUESTION WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY $100,000 TO STUDY
OUR TRASH ISSUE THAT IS OUT OF TOWN.
IF WE CAN HAVE 35 PULLED AND ADDED TO THE NUMBER 22
DISCUSSION SINCE IT ALL FITS INTO THE LITTERING.
09:21:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SECOND THAT.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, SO, YES.
09:21:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
AYE.
ITEM 23, MR. MIRANDA.
09:22:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
23?
09:22:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
09:22:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OH, YES.
09:22:07AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THAT CAME FROM THE CLERK.
SO I TONIGHT KNOW IF IT IS A AND FILE OR A DISCUSSION.
09:22:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:22:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE TONIGHT HAVE TO DO IT TODAY BUT
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ASKED FOR THIS.
AND SEVERAL OF US WERE ON THE BOARD, BUT I AM JUST CURIOUS
AS HE REVIEWS IT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE WHAT HIS
CONCLUSIONS ARE.
IF HE GAINED ANY INSIGHTS.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT ON THE CHARTER DAY AND I WILL BE
CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS.
09:22:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
--
[INAUDIBLE]
-- I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS COPACETIC.
09:22:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
UNLESS HE IS READY TODAY, WE CAN RECEIVE AND
FILE.
09:22:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE DOCUMENTS AS WELL TO DISTRIBUTE TO
THE COUNCIL.
I CAN DO IT TODAY OR ANOTHER DAY.
BUT THE CLERK HAS PREPARED THEM AS WELL.
SO I ASK THAT YOU KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA.
09:22:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS WAS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, AS I
RECALL.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET.
I DON'T MIND THIS BEING HELD FOR A WEEK TO ALL BE UP TO DATE
ON IT AND DISCUSS -- WHOEVER THE MEMBERS WERE, 10 OR 12,
WEREN'T THEY?
09:23:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAD NINE I THINK.
09:23:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:23:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A CITY ATTORNEY MORE THAN A YEAR AGO GAVE ME
AUDIO RECORDINGS.
09:23:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T NEED THE AUDIO.
09:23:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE TRANSCRIPT IS FINE.
WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
09:23:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOLD IT FOR --
09:23:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OCTOBER 23.
09:23:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NEXT WEEK IS THE WORKSHOP MEETING AND THE
TUESDAY AFTER THAT IS THE CHARTER WORKSHOP.
I WILL ASK THAT YOU KEEP THAT ON THE AGENDA IF YOU CAN.
IF HAS TO BE CONTINUED, THAT WILL BE FINE AND TAKEN UP VERY
QUICKLY AT THE ENDS.
09:23:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:23:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR MY UNDERSTANDING PRESENTING THE MINUTES
WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I GOT A GIANT BINDER.
YES, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
WE ARE GETTING IT.
FOR MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. SHELBY HAS SOMETHING TO ADD TO
IT.
ALL WE WILL BE DOING IS ACCEPTING WHAT HE HAS TO GIVE AND
MOVE ON, RIGHT.
OKAY.
09:24:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:24:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF YOU HAVE THAT AUDIO, I WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE IT.
09:24:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY FOR MY AIDE TO GIVE HIM.
09:24:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A MP3.
09:24:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THUMB DRIVE.
09:24:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF THE CLERK MADE IT.
09:24:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I MIGHT HAVE A COPY AS WELL.
I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
09:24:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WILL BE GREAT.
09:24:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT IT RUNS A LONG TIME.
09:24:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S OKAY.
WE HAVE THE AUDIO.
09:24:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
09:24:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S.
09:24:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT ONE I WAS PROPOSING CONTINUING AND YOU
SAID YOU WANTED TO LEAVE IT ON THE AGENDA.
09:25:05AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THAT IS WHERE, CHAIRMAN, I WAS GOING TO TALK
OF ALL FOUR OF THESE TOGETHER.
TALK 25 AND 27 TOGETHER.
AND RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, 24 AND 26.
09:25:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S GO TO 28, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:25:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:25:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
THAT CLEARS UP EVERYTHING TO THE CONSENT.
09:25:29AM >> MOVE THE AGENDA.
09:25:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
09:25:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR 1:30 WHEN WE WILL OPEN ALL OF THOSE
THINGS.
09:25:44AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S QUESTION ABOUT 32 AND 35.
ADMINISTRATOR WYNN WILL BE HERE.
AS FAR AS THE SOLID WASTE GO, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR ROGERO OR
I NEED DIRECTOR LARRY -- TO JOIN HER.
09:26:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
09:26:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:26:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEVERAL HEARINGS IN THE DAY THAT WILL HAVE A
LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
89 IS ONE OF THEM.
SHOULD QUESTION TRY TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AND PARTICIPANTS SOME
EXPECTATION.
ONE OF THEM -- 84 MAY HAVE A LOT AND ONE THAT HAS TO DO WITH
HYDE PARK HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
ANYWAY TO GIVE GUIDANCE -- THAT IS 67.
67, 84 AND 89.
ANY GUIDANCE TO PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WHEN WE WILL BRING THOSE
BACK?
09:26:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH COUNCIL WANTS TO TALK OF
EACH ITEM BEFOREHAND.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN GIVE ANY TIME CERTAIN.
AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH TIME THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TALK
OF THE ITEMS BEFORE THEM.
09:27:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT NOW.
09:27:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I I AGREE BY -- IF WE GO THROUGH THE
AGENDA BY 11:30 OR 12, WE WILL HAVE AN EXPECTATION THEN.
I AGREE WITH YOU.
09:27:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE ADDENDUM TO THE
AGENDA.
09:27:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE
AGENDA.
09:27:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
09:27:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS AND CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES RIGHT NOW.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:27:41AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND COUNCILMEMBERS.
THIS MORNING WE HAVE THE DISTINGUISHED PLEASURE OF
RECOGNIZING, AGAIN, ONE OF OUR ATU EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVE AMEN AT THAT OWENS WHO WORKS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL
AND REVIEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION DIVISION.
AND READING SOME OF THE THINGS HE THINKS THAT THEY ARE
SAYING ABOUT HIM, YOU WILL FIND IT VERY INTERESTING.
I WILL LET SIMON, OUR ATU PRESIDENT TALK.HIM.
09:28:26AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE SIMON, PRESIDENT OF ATU LOCAL 1464, AND I AM HAPPY TO
BE HERE THIS MORNING TO INTRODUCE .
[APPLAUSE]
09:28:53AM >> AMEN AT THAT IS A SHOW UP AND GET IT DONE TEAM MEMBER.
AS A SPECIALIST 3 TO OBTAINING CERTIFICATION FROM THE
INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL TO SERVE AS THE CITY'S HISTORIC
PRESERVATION CERTIFIED CODE OFFICER -- ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
MOST RECENT AS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, SHE
EXCELS IN HER PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF MAINTAINING A
POSITIVE ATTITUDE.
AMINTA SUPPORTS THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE BARRIO LATINO
COMMISSION, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION AND THE
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
HER EFFORTS HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL
CUSTOMERS.
SHE IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE LATEST VERSION OF THE
DESIGNATED LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS DISTRICTS AND MULTIPLE
PROPERTIES CATALOGING HISTORIES IN A VISUAL, MEANINGFUL
DOCUMENTATION THAT WILL SERVE AS A RESOURCE FOR GENERATIONS
TO COME TO UNDERSTAND TAMPA'S PAST.
AMEN AT THAT OWENS IS A DEDICATED PASSIONATE EMPLOYEE TO
ASSIST A TEAM MEMBER WITH A COMPLICATED PROJECT AND TO HELP
A CLIENT RESOLVE A PROBLEM.
OVER TWO DECADES OF SERVICE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL VERY VIEW
AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
AMINTA EXEMPLIFIES THE IMPACT THAT ONE PERSON CAN MAKE OF
TRANSFERRING TAMPA'S TOMORROW WHILE PRESERVING THE
ACHIEVEMENTS OF ITS PAST.
WE ATU LOCAL 1464 WOULD LIKE PRESENT YOU WITH A TOKEN OF OUR
APPRECIATION OF WHAT YOU TO DO KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA
RUNNING, A $100 GIFT CARD.
09:30:36AM >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:39AM >> YES, MA'AM.
[APPLAUSE]
09:30:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, THIS MORNING THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
COMMENDATION PRESENTED TO AMINTA OWENS, ATU LOCAL 1464
EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH TO EXEMPLIFY THE TYPE OF EMPLOYEE
THAT EVERYONE ADMIRES AND RESPECTS.
YOU ARE A GREAT ASSET TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
PRESENTED TODAY THE 19th DAY OF OCTOBER, 2022.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:31:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING?
09:31:17AM >>ABBYE FEELY:
I WOULD JUST SAY -- ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR
OF PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT I HAVE A LARGE TEAM CLOSE TO
200 AND GROWING.
I WANT TO SAY THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON BRINGS TO THE
TABLE THEIR OWN UNIQUE SKILLS AND TALENTS AND AMINTA, SHE
SHOWS UP EVERY DAY TO GET IT DONE WEARING A SMILE NO MATTER
WHERE YOU SEE HER.
WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND
ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW TEAM IS A COMMITMENT TO HER TO THE
CITY.
AND WE ARE SO HAPPY TO HAVE HER HAVE THAT RECOGNITION.
09:31:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK WE HAVE SOME GOODIES TODAY.
09:31:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
DONNA McBRIDE FROM THE STRAZ CENTER.
MISS OWEN -- SORRY -- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE AND
PARTICULARLY FOR PRESERVING OUR HISTORY.
IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE
ARE GOING.
THANK YOU AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ENJOY A SHOW.
09:32:21AM >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:32:23AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GRACE GONZALEZ REPRESENTING THE GONZMART FAMILY AND 1905
FAMILY RESTAURANTS.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY PROVIDE YOU WITH A GIFT
CARD.
A UNIVERSAL GIVE CARD TO ANY RESTAURANTS, COLUMBIA
RESTAURANT, ANY ONE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
09:32:53AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[APPLAUSE]
GOOD MORNING.
09:33:01AM >> I HAVE KNOWN AMINTA FOR A LONG TIME.
STEVE MICHELINI, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT SHE GETS THE JOB
DONE, WHETHER IN THE FIELD SHE IS ALWAYS THERE TO ASSIST.
THAT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
SOMEONE YOU CAN REALLY COUNT ON, ESPECIALLY LATE IN THE DAY
WHEN YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR SOME PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU NEED
TO GET RESOLVED RIGHT AWAY.
SHE AND HER -- AND THE REST OF THE STAFF IS THERE TO HELP.
SHE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
ON BEHALF OF BELLA BRAVO RESTAURANT GROUP, PROVIDE YOU WITH
GIFT CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE.
ON BEHALF OF THE YMCA, GO AND ENJOY YOURSELF AT THE Y WITH A
COMPLIMENTARY MEMBERSHIP.
ON BEHALF OF THE YUMMY HOUSE BISTRO -- THEY DENNIS AND RON
MAY TRY TO GET -- THEY MAY TRY TO TALK YOU OUT OF THIS ONE.
YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, LUNCH AND DINNER.
CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP AND GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR BREAKFAST,
LUNCH AND DINNER AT OLD HYDE PARK.
ENJOY YOURSELF FOR DINNER.
HERE ARE THOSE GIFT CERTIFICATES TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
09:34:15AM >> THANK YOU.
DON'T LET THEM TALK YOU OUT OF THIS STUFF.
09:34:20AM >> YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.
09:34:21AM >> CONGRATULATIONS.
[APPLAUSE]
09:34:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE GAME BALL.
THE GAME BALL.
WE THANKS BRINGING THAT TO OUR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE YOU ARE
SPECIAL LIKE OUR FIRE, POLICE.
09:34:39AM >> BRIAN FORD, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.
AS COUNCILMAN REFERENCED, ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND
OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.
WE HAVE A TRADITION AT ONE BUC.
WHENEVER ANYBODY GOES OVER AND ABOVE THEY GET A GAME BALL.
BASED ON YOUR STORY, WE HAVE A LITTLE GAME BALL FOR YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
[APPLAUSE]
CONGRATULATIONS.
09:35:06AM >> I AM HUMBLED AND OVERWHELMED.
THIS IS QUITE UNEXPECTED AND APPRECIATED.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY WITH
THE CITY TO GROW.
THANK YOU ALL.
ESPECIALLY MY TEAM.
THEY ARE THE BEST.
APPRECIATE IT.
MY SISTER WHO HAPPENS TO BE HERE ALSO.
THANK YOU
[APPLAUSE]
09:35:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE BUCCANEERS HAVE OUTDONE THEMSELVES.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE ATU EMBLEM ON THE BALL.
BRIAN GLAZER.
09:35:51AM >> I AM SORRY, COUNCILMAN, ONE OTHER THING.
AMINTA, I HAVE A LETTER FROM THE MAYOR.
CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING SELECTED AS THE ATU EMPLOYEE
OF THE MONTH FOR PROFESSIONALISM, WORK ETHICS AND GOING
ABOVE AND BEYOND AS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED A FIRM COMMITMENT AND HIGH STANDARDS
FROM YOUR HIRE DATE IN 2000 AS AN OFFICE SUPPORT SPECIALIST
3.
AND YOU SOON THEREAFTER BECAME A MEMBER OF THE ARCHITECTURAL
REVIEW AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION DIVISION WHERE YOUR
DEDICATION HAVE ENSURED TAMPA'S UNIQUE HISTORIES IS
SAFEGUARDED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
YOUR SPORTS INCLUDING SUPPORTING THE BARRIO LATINO,
ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND
CHARGED WITH THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE DIVISIONS LOCAL
HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICTS AND YOUR EFFORTS WILL VISUALLY
CONTACT OR CATALOG OUR CITY'S PAST.
YOU HAVE EARNED THE RESPECT OF YOUR SUPERIORS, PEERS AND
COMMUNITY AND WELL KNOWN AS SOMEONE DEDICATED, PASSIONATE
AND RESULT ORIENTED.
INTEGRAL PART OF PROVIDING SERVICE, AND YOUR POSITIVE
ATTITUDE MAKE YOU HIGHLY DESERVING OF THE RECOGNITION.
YOU ARE AN ASSET OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE DEVELOPMENT AND
GROWTH OF THE DEPARTMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU ARE ADMIRED, WELL-RESPECTED AND SET A SHINING EXAMPLE TO
TOLE.
EMPLOYEES LIKE YOU AMINTA MAKE ME PROUD TO SERVE AS MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE.
SINCERELY, JANE CASTOR.
[APPLAUSE]
09:37:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:37:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COUNCILMEMBERS LIKE TO MAKE --
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:37:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
M AND M, GO FIRST.
09:37:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MANISCALCO FIRST.
09:37:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU SAID IT THE WORDS OF THE MAYOR.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FAMILY AND APPRECIATE
HARD WORK AND DISEASE OCCASION.
MENTIONED HISTORIC PRESERVATION, MY EARS PERKED UP AND
APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO.
PROTECTING THE CITY, THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, THE STORY OF
THE CITY.
PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF IT WHAT YOU AND YOUR
OFFICE AND YOUR TEAM MEMBERS DO.
APPRECIATE IT.
A VERY, VERY WELL DESERVED HONOR.
09:38:16AM >> THANK YOU.
09:38:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MIRANDA.
09:38:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU FOLLOWING WHAT MR. MANISCALCO
SAID.
CONGRATULATIONS.
AS WE HEARD ALL THE DUTIES THAT YOU HAVE.
YOU DO NOT JUST ONE THING BUT VARIOUS THINGS.
MODEL OF 1464 IS WE KEEP TAMPA MOVING.
I HOPE IT DOESN'T GO TOO FAR.
YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
AND IT IS UNBELIEVABLE THING.
THE THINGS THAT YOU GUY DO IN THAT LOCAL ARE NOT TALKED
ABOUT TOO OFTEN, BUT WITHOUT IT, WE WOULDN'T BE THE CITY
THAT YOU ARE.
ALL OF YOU IN 1464.
CONGRATULATIONS NOT ONLY TO YOU BUT YOUR STAFF AND
EVERYTHING THAT KEEPS YOU GOING IN THE DIRECTION YOU ARE
DOING.
BUENO SUARTE.
09:39:00AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO HONOR OUR ATU EMPLOYEES.
OUR GOOD EXAMPLE WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY ON CORE CITY
ASSIGNMENTS.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND I HOPE THIS DAY IS
SPECIAL FOR YOU.
09:39:16AM >> YES, VERY MUCH SO.
THANK YOU.
09:39:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:39:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I WANT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT I AM SUPER IMPRESSED THAT
YOU STARTED JUST IN ONE SPOT AND YOU WORKED REALLY HARD TO
GET THROUGH.
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT IS THE GROWTH THAT ANY EMPLOYEE
CAN HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND I THINK YOU EMPT FLY THAT AND FOR PEOPLE WHO JOIN THE
CITY THAT SAYS I'M HERE AND I CAN ALWAYS KEEP GROWING AND I
THINK THAT IS INCREDIBLY IMPRESSIVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO GROW WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
09:39:53AM >> THANK YOU.
09:39:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND YOU.
09:39:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:39:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS FOR ANYBODY WATCHING.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE CAN LOOKING TO VISIT A CITY FOR TOURISM OR
INVEST IN A CITY OR RELOCATE IN THE CITY, THEY LOOK -- YEAH,
MOSTLY WHAT THEY CARE.IS THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF A
COMMUNITY WHICH IS MEANS TIMES DEFINED IN PART BY THE -- BY
THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND ARCHITECTURE.
I AM EMBARRASSED I DIDN'T KNOW YOU AND I WANT TO GET TO KNOW
YOU.
YOU WORK IN AN AREA THAT I LOVE.
WE NEED TO PROTECT AND TELL THE STORIES AND MAKE SURE ALL
THE NEW FOLKS KNOW ABOUT TAMPA'S RICH HISTORY AND CULTURE,
THANK YOU.
09:40:34AM >> THANK YOU.
09:40:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA FAMILY.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING OUR RICH AND VIBRANT CITY ALIVE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
[APPLAUSE]
09:40:54AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
[APPLAUSE]
09:40:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:41:00AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MY GREAT PLEASURE TO DO THE TAMPA POLICE
OFFICER OF THE MONTH COMMENDATION TO CORPORAL MONTE.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO EVERY SINGLE MONTH IN TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL AND IT REFLECTS THE VALUES OF THE CONSTITUENTS AND
THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE.
WE SERVE IN A CITY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS VERY PRO FIRST
RESPONDER AND THAT INCLUDES PRO POLICE OFFICER.
GOOD TO SEE YOU -- PRO POLICE OFFICER.
WE -- WE SALUTE THE WORK OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE
PROTECTORS HERE IN OUR CITY OF TAMPA AND WHO DO SO MUCH IN
RUNNING INTO SITUATIONS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE
STARTING WITH MYSELF OF RUN AWAY FROM.
WE SUPPORT THAT 110%.
DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOME WORDS.
GO AHEAD.
09:42:08AM >> HOW ARE YOU DOING.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:42:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:42:12AM >> POLICE WORK COVERS MANY ASPECTS FROM BEING A CRIME
FIGHTER TO BEING A GUARDIAN, AND SOMEBODY WITH THE PASSION
FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I AM GOING TO READ SOME STUFF HERE TODAY THAT SHE EMBODIED
ALL OF IT AND SHE GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND AND HAS A BIG HEART
REALLY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND OUR JUVENILES.
OFFICER MONTE IS COMMITTED TO REDUCING CRIME IN WORK IN
DISTRICT 2.
SHE BELIEVES LEADING FROM THE FRONT AS A SUPERVISOR.
THAT PHILOSOPHY WAS EXEMPLIFIED IN A RECENT CARJACKING AND
KIDNAPPING CASE.
A WANTED SUSPECT WENT ON WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS A
CRIME SPREE.
AFTER HOLDING A FIREARM TO A VICTIM'S HEAD AND DEMANDING HER
CAR, THE SUSPECT WENT TO A SECOND LOCATION WHERE HE KICKED
IN THE DOOR OF A RESIDENCE AND KIDNAPPED A DIFFERENT VICTIM
WHO LATER ESCAPED.
AT A THIRD LOCATION, HE STOLE A LARGE BOX TRUCK FROM A
PERSON OUT MAKING DELIVERIES.
THE SERIES OF EVENTS IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS WHERE
CORPORAL MONTE WAS LISTENING TO RADIO AND WHAT SHE SAW WAS
THE STOLEN BOX TRUCK.
COORDINATED WITH AIR SERVICE ANDED SQUAD TO DISCREETLY GET
BEHIND THE DRIVER.
AS THE VEHICLE LEFT JURISDICTION, CORPORAL MONTE CONTINUED
TO LOOK AT THE DRIVE I-75 TO GAINESVILLE.
AFTER A LENGTHY PURSUIT, THE DEFENDER WAS ULTIMATELY STOPPED
AND ARRESTED.
CORPORAL MONTE WAS ON THE SCENE ASSISTING WITH THE SEARCH
WARRANT.
HER EFFORTS LED WITH THE DEFENDANT BEING CHARGED WITH
NUMEROUS FELONIES ACROSS THE STATE.
HER GREAT WORK DOESN'T STOP.
THIS PAST MONTH, HER SQUAD OBTAINED PROBABLE CAUSE FOR
ANOTHER ARMED CARJACKING CASE BY SHOWING A PHOTO ARRAY.
THEY RECOVERED A CRUCIAL VIDEO ON A KIDNAPPING AND CHILD
ABUSE INVESTIGATION AND THEY ASSISTED ON A RESIDENTIAL
SEARCH WARRANT OF ANIMAL CRUELTY.
THEIR EFFORTS LED TO THE ARREST IN EACH OF THESE CASES.
LASTLY, CORPORAL MONTE IS A POLICE OFFICER.
THIS SUMMER COORDINATED MULTIPLE FIELD DAY AT VARIOUS PARKS
THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ASSISTED WITH THE SUMMER STAY AND
PLAY PROGRAM.
THIS PROGRAM GAVE OVER 200 TAMPA JUVENILES AN OPPORTUNITY TO
ENGAGE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PARTICIPATE IN BASKETBALL,
KICKBALL, DODGEBALL, AND VARIOUS OTHER HEALTHY ACTIVITIES.
SHE HAS DOUBLE THE PETITION IN THE SHOP WITH A COP PROGRAM.
ONE THING ABOUT SHOP WITH THE COP PROGRAM, WE HAD IT AT, I
THINK, WESTSHORE MALL.
SOME OF THE KIDS DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR IT, BUT THEY SHOWED UP.
SHE MADE SURE THAT THOSE KIDS WERE TAKEN CARE OF AT THE SPUR
OF THE MOMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAW THAT AS A CHIEF, IT JUST TOUCHED
MY HEART.
IT REALLY MADE THOSE KIDS' DAY.
THE SHOP WITH THE COP PROGRAM PROVIDED BACK-TO-SCHOOL
CLOTHING FOR APPROXIMATELY 39 CHILDREN AND WORKED TO FORM
TWO BOWLERS FOR THE BOWL FOR KIDS CHALLENGE.
HER PASSION FOR THE YOUTH AND DEDICATING TO CREATING AND
IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS WHY WE HAVE SELECTED
CORPORAL JAMIE LYNN MONTEAS OUR OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
[APPLAUSE]
09:46:09AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CORPORAL, ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL CITY AND
CITY COUNCIL, OUR GREAT PLEASURE TO GIVE YOU THIS TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL COMMENDATION FOR ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE AND
CONTINUE TO DO AND ALL THE SACRIFICES YOU TAKE FOR YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY.
GOD BLESS YOU.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
AND BEFORE YOU SPEAK, GIFTS FROM THE COMMUNITY WHICH IS A
GOOD SYMBOL OF THE SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE.
09:46:35AM >> HEY, CORPORAL, BRANDON, VICE PRESIDENT OF TAMPA PBA.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS MORNING.
TO PRESENT THIS PLAQUE TO CORPORAL MONTEFOR DOING AN
EXCELLENT JOB AS ALWAYS.
09:46:46AM >> COUNCILMEMBERS, CORPORAL MONTE, I CAN'T EXPRESS ENOUGH
THANKS FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT
SAFER EVERY TE.
AND YOUR DETERMINATION TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
YOU PUT YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE EVERY DAY.
AND WE ARE GRATEFUL, EXTREMELY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE AS
WE TRY TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN AND COMMUNITY AND HAVE A GOOD
QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE STRAZ CENTER WOULD LIKE YOU TO RELAX AND ENJOY A SHOW.
09:47:32AM >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:47:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CORPORAL, BOB TURNER WITH THE
MUSTANG CLUB OF TAMPA.
GRACE THOMAS FROM BILL CURRIE FORD AND A FEW GOODIES FOR
YOU.
FOR YOUR CURRENT VEHICLE, FREE OIL CHANGE AT BILL CURRIE
FORD.
FOR YOUR NEXT VEHICLE, $500 COUPON FOR THE NEXT VEHICLE AT
BILL CURRIE FORD.
TO HELP YOU SELECT THAT, A FREE WEEKEND WITH A CAR OF YOUR
CHOICE.
I WILL GO WITH A FULL-SIZED BRONCO.
GET IT NICE AND DIRTY -- AND FINALLY, FROM THE MUSTANG CLUB
OF TAMPA, YOUR VERY OWN MUSTANG PATROL CAR.
CELEBRATING YOUR RECOGNITION OF OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
09:48:24AM >> THANK YOU.
09:48:25AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[APPLAUSE]
09:48:36AM >> THANK YOU.
09:48:44AM >> CORPORAL MONTE, THE 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS
REPRESENTING THE GONZMART FAMILY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ALL YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
A $100 GIFT STARRED TO THE 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS ANY
COLUMBIA RESTAURANT LOCATION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
CHA-CHA COCONUTS IN SARASOTA OR GOODY GOODY IN HYDE PARK.
09:49:08AM >> THANK YOU.
09:49:09AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[APPLAUSE]
09:49:13AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MIKE WITH STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
THANK YOU FOR A JOB WELL-DONE.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING FOR OUR YOUTH IS PRICELESS AND AS A
COMMUNITY WE CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.
BEHALF STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE A GIFT CARD FOR A RESTAURANT
OF YOUR CHOICE AND A LIMOUSINE RIDE.
THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.
09:49:42AM >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
09:49:43AM >> I ALSO WANT -- WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
PETE BREVY IS MY OTHER HALF AND HE COULDN'T BE HERE AND HE
ASKED ME SINCE JAMIE IS MY BEST FRIEND TO PRESENT THESE.
AND FOUR COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS TO BUSCH GARDENS.
09:50:00AM >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:50:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, MARY LOU BAILEY.
09:50:08AM >> AND MARK WITH ZOO TAMPA.
09:50:10AM >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF THE VOLUNTEERS OF THE BOARD AT ZOO AT
THAT POINT.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT.
AND WE VALUE THE COMMUNITY AND CONTRIBUTION AND THANK YOU
FOR YOUR FAMILY FOR SHARING US WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND AN
ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP FOR ZOO TAMPA.
ENJOY WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
GO TO CREATURES OF THE NIGHT BECAUSE IT IS HALLOWEEN.
IT IS A LOT OF FUN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TREMENDOUS SERVICE AND TREMENDOUS HEART.
09:50:37AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:50:38AM >> YOU ALREADY DEAL WITH A LOT OF CREATURES OF THE NIGHT IN
YOUR JOB.
A LITTLE LESS STRESSFUL AND MORE FUN.
CONGRATULATIONS.
09:50:45AM >> THANK YOU AGAIN.
[APPLAUSE]
09:50:54AM >> COUNCIL, CHIEF.
AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE
ORGANIZATION, WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE,
YOUR FAMILY'S SACRIFICE AND ALL YOU DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A TRADITIONAL GAME BALL AND YOUR CREDENTIALS
DEFINITELY WARRANT THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU.
09:51:16AM >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:51:20AM >> WE NEED A BIGGER BASKET.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THIS CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES YOU
DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THE WOMEN AT TPD.
ON BEHALF OF THE CHICO'S RESTAURANT GROUP A GIFT CERTIFICATE
TO ENJOY BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER, BELLA BRAVA IN THE
MIDTOWN, GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR LUNCH AND DINNER, MEAT MARKET
IN OLD HYDE PARK VILLAGE, YOUR ENJOYMENT.
LUNCH AND DINNER.
YUMMY HOUSE BISTRO, LUNCH AND DINNER.
YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS.
[LAUGHTER]
AND YMCA IS PROVIDING YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE AS WELL.
CONGRATULATIONS AND WE CAN'T TELL YOU HOW PROUD OF THE WOMEN
AND THE MEN THAT PROVIDE SUPPORT, SAFETY IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR AND ALL THESE PLACES.
I MEAN THEY SHOW UP IN UNIFORM, THEY WILL TREAT YOU RIGHT.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:52:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, CORPORAL MONTE IS
RESPECTED.
SHE IS APPRECIATED.
AND BY THE MANY PEOPLE HERE, IS LOVED.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ARE YOU MAY.
09:52:35AM >> THANK YOU TO COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING ME AND FOR MY STAFF.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THIS IF MY STAFF DIDN'T ALLOW ME TO
HAVE THE IDEAS WHEN IT COMES IT THE COMMUNITY AND HELPS ME
EXECUTE IT.
THEY SUPPORTED ME 100% SINCE I MOVED TO THE COMMUNITY SQUAD.
ALSO MY SQUAD HERE, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING
WITHOUT THEIR BACKING.
THEY MAKE ME LOOK GREAT ON A DAILY BASIS.
[APPLAUSE]
AND TO MY HUSBAND WHO IS A FORMER TAMPA POLICE OFFICER BEING
ABLE TO HAVE HIS SUPPORT BECAUSE HE HAS TO LISTEN TO ALL THE
CRAZY STORIES WHEN I COME HOME.
I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE HIM.
I APPRECIATE -- TO EVERYBODY THAT GAVE ME SOMETHING, I ALSO
APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU, GUYS, VERY MUCH
[APPLAUSE]
09:53:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:53:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CREATIVE -- CREATIVITY, YOUR DRIVE.
EVERYBODY SHOWED UP MEANS YOU ARE A GREAT LEADER.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US SAFE.
09:53:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:53:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR PUTTING ON THAT UNIFORM EACH AND
EVERY DAY AND TO THE SACRIFICE YOU MAKE, AND YOUR FAMILY
MAKES.
YOUR HUSBAND UNDERSTANDS BECAUSE HERE WITH TPD.
THANK YOU FOR THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND HELPING THE
COMMUNITY AND INSPIRING NOT JUST OUR YOUNG PEOPLE BUT US IN
GENERAL.
YOU GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND YOU DESERVE THIS RECOGNITION
BECAUSE PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THE WORK YOU DO ON TOP OF
EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THIS IS WELL DESERVED.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND THANKS.
09:54:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:54:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO ECHO EVERYONE'S THANKS, BUT I REALLY
AS A FORMER TEACHER, REALLY APPRECIATE AND CAN RELATE TO
ANYBODY WHO HAS A SPECIAL FOCUS FOR CHILDREN.
SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR FOCUS ON THE
CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING THINGS BETTER AND
PROVIDING THAT CONNECTION WITH AN OFFICER THAT HELPS THEM BE
MORE COMFORTABLE IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND GET TO KNOW EVERYONE
AND KEEP THEM SAFE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:54:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:54:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I ALWAYS SAY COMMUNITY POLICE BOND WITH CITIZENS AND BOND
WITH YOUNG PEOPLE.
IT CURTAILS A LOT OF VIOLENCE.
OFFICERS KNOW THE COMMUNITY.
THE KIDS.
AND CHIEF BENNETT WILL KNOW WE STARTED THE WEED AND SEED
PROGRAM BACK IN '91 AND '92.
I HAD ALL THE BASKETBALL PROGRAMS AND GET THE POLICE CAR AND
GO IN ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PIBB UP THE SKIDS FOR ALL
THE TOURNAMENTS.
ALL THE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS.
PEOPLE ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE AT, THEY SEE YOU AT A RESTAURANT,
HEY, COACH.
OFFICER G.
COACHING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
I ALWAYS SAY I WAS SADDENED WHEN P.A.L. WENT AWAY FROM
THE COMMUNITY OPINION WHEN I WAS A BOY, P.A.L. WAS THERE.
LARRY SIEGEL WAS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE POLICE ATHLETIC
LEAGUE.
IT NEEDS TO COME BACK.
THOSE TYPE OF ATMOSPHERES NEED TO COME BACK.
COMMUNITIES.
WE CAN CURTAIL A LOT OF VIOLENCE FROM THE YOUNG PEOPLE
BECAUSE THEY WILL START TO BOND.
EVERY YOUNG PERSON WANTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
DON'T EVER THINK THEY TONIGHT.
THEY NEED GOOD PEOPLE TO SHOW THEM AND TALK IN THE EAR OF
HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
NOT JUST BLACK PEOPLE BUT ALL PEOPLE.
BLACK PEOPLE, WHITE PEOPLE, HISPANIC PEOPLE, THEY NEED TO
HAVE SOMEONE -- SEE, YOU CAN'T IT WILLY THEM SOMETHING AND
NOT FULFILL THE COMMITMENT.
BECAUSE THEY WILL THINK YOU ARE JUST A LIAR LIKE THEIR DAD
OR ABSENT MOM THEY GOT.
AND THEY GO AND THEY STEAL, ROB BECAUSE THEY ARE HUNGRY.
BUT THEY ARE NOT HUNGRY WHEN PEOPLE SHOW THEIR COMMITMENT
AND LOVE TO THEM.
SO JAMIE, I KNOWN YOU WHEN YOU FIRST CAME ON.
ASSISTANT CHIEF CALVIN FIRST CAME ON.
PROUD OF YOU GUYS WHO HAVE RISEN AND DO THE THINGS YOU DO
WITH YOUNG PEOPLE.
CALVIN GOES OUT -- HE GETS THE KIDS -- APPRECIATE THAT, THEY
NEED THAT.
THANK YOU JAMIE FOR GIVING INITIATIVES AND PROGRAMS.
GENTLE THE MAYOR, SOMEHOW WE NEED TO GET MORE OFFICERS TO
GET PAL BACK AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS WITH OUR RECREATION
DEPARTMENT IS SO VALUABLE.
IT STARTS IN THE PARK.
TO CURTAIL SOME OF THE VIOLENCE AND THEY WILL START TO BUILD
AND BUILD IT THEMSELVES.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, JAMIE.
09:57:18AM >> THANK YOU.
09:57:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:57:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AN HONOR FOR YOU TO BE HERE TODAY NOT
ONLY REPRESENTING YOURSELF, FAMILY BUT THE COMMUNITY AND
SQUAD AND EVERYONE ELSE.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES THAT PARKS -- AND KNOWING THE
OTHER SIDE MEANS A LOT MORE.
AND THE PUBLIC REALLY, IN GENERAL, DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A
POLICE OFFICER DOES.
US CURSED AT.
YOU ARE SPIT AT.
A LOT OF STUFF THAT GO AROUND THAT SAYS HOW MUCH WILL I
TAKE.
A LOT OF REASONS FOR PEOPLE NOT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.
RIGHT NOW IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY, HAPPENING IN THE
WHOLE WORLD, THEY THINK IF YOU ARE FIRE A GUN YOU ARE NOT
GOING TO KILL NO ONE.
WRONG.
HAPPENING MORE OFTEN ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND THE PARENTS,
HOME AND PARKS NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND AND BE MINDFUL HOW THEY
ARE TALKING TO.
KIDS ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET BETTER, NOT WORSE.
MY OPINION, ONCE A KID GETS 12 YEARS OLD AND YOU HAVEN'T
GOTTEN TO THEM, YOU LOST THEM.
I WILL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE THEY HANG AROUND WITH 14, 15
AND 17-YEAR-OLDS THAT ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT HE OR SHE HAS
NEVER SEEN AND THEY PULL THEM IN AND THEY CAN'T GET OUT.
AND FROM EXPERIENCE, IT'S A THING THAT -- ONCE YOU ARE IN,
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
I USED TO GO QUITE OFTEN TO SPEAK TO THE KIDS AT THE JAIL
THERE IN FALL KENBURG ROAD AND FINALLY I GAVE UP, BECAUSE I
KNEW WHEN THEY CAME OUT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO
GO BUT WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU ARE NOT SOLVING ANY PROBLEMS AT ALL.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
YOU HAVE THE INTUITION TO FOLLOW, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THOSE
WHO GIVE A PERSON A HAND UP INSTEAD OF A PUSH DOWN.
CONGRATULATIONS.
09:59:09AM >> THANK YOU.
09:59:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU WANT TO
EXPERIENCE WHAT THESE PEOPLE GO THROUGH, I SUGGEST YOU
ENLIST IN THE CITIZENS ACADEMY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF
TAMPA EVEN AFTER THE EXHAUSTING THINGS YOU GO THROUGH WILL
BE ONLY SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF WHAT ALL THESE OFFICERS GO
THROUGH.
CORPORAL, I THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT EXTRA STEP.
THANK YOU FOR BEING THAT STRONG, TALL PERSON THAT KNEELS
DOWN TO A CHILD AND TALKS TO THEM STRAIGHT IN THE EYES.
NO ONE HAS EVER STOOD TALLER WHEN THEY KNEEL DOWN TO SPEAK
TO A CHILD.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.
CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR DAY.
10:00:00AM >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
10:00:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM ASSUMING THAT WE ARE AT RECESS.
10:00:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
10:04:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
10:04:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
10:04:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
10:04:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
10:04:57AM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
10:04:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME WE WILL BE TAKING PUBLIC
COMMENT.
MR. SHELBY.
10:05:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
JUST TO REMIND COUNCIL AS TO YOUR PROCEDURE.
I AM GOING TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AND THE PUBLIC'S
ATTENTION RULE 4-D THAT STATES THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL BE
REFRAIN FROM HAVING DIALOGUE WITH SPEAKERS IN PUBLIC
COMMENT.
THOSE ARE YOUR STANDING RULES.
THANK YOU.
10:05:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:05:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO DIFFERENTIATE OF LAND USE IF PEOPLE ARE
THERE FOR THEM.
10:05:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN TERMS OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT?
VERY GOOD POINT.
THANK YOU.
PUBLIC ITEMS -- THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK FIRST WILL BE ON AGENDA
ITEMS BUT YOU CAN SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEMS OR OFF-AGENDA ITEMS
UNLESS YOUR MATTER IS SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
9:30 PUBLIC HEARING, THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS OR THE 1:30
PUBLIC HEARING.
DO NOT TALK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS UNTIL THEY ARE CALLED UP
SEPARATELY.
THANK YOU.
10:06:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:06:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR?
10:06:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE A REQUEST.
10:06:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE REQUEST IS WHEN WE GET TO STAFF REPORTS
FOR ITEM NUMBER 4, REPRESENTIVE HART IS HERE FOR THE ISSUE ON
ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:06:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS MISINFORMED.
I THOUGHT TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:06:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO WHEN ITEM 4 COMES UP.
10:06:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
UNDERSTOOD.
10:06:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AFTER OR BEFORE ITEM 4 IS DISCUSSED.
10:06:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DOES IT MATTER?
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
10:07:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT --
10:07:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL LET YOU SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 4,
REPRESENTATIVE HART.
10:07:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE MAKING PUBLIC
COMMENT, PLEASE FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
10:07:32AM >> I WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF YOU ALL AND MY
PRAYER TO BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US.
I SUFFER WITH OLD-TIMER.
I DON'T GET AROUND LIKE I USED TO, BUT I THANK GOD FOR AN
OLD-TIMER, I AM STILL HERE.
YOU KNOW, I COME UP HERE WEEK AFTER WEEK, WEEK AFTER WEEK,
NOBODY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ME AND MY CHURCH.
THEY BLOCK MY CHURCH IN.
WE DON'T HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK.
I HAD A LAWYER OVER THERE YESTERDAY.
HE SAID WHERE ARE YOU PARKING BEFORE THEY BUILT UP ALL THAT.
I SAID WE WERE WORKING ON THE STREET.
PUT THAT LINE OUT THERE -- DEVIL ORANGE LINE ACROSS THE
STREET SO I CAN'T EVEN PARK IN THE FRONT OF MY CHURCH.
NOWHERE ELSE TO PARK.
POLICE COME BY THERE ONE DAY AND TOLD ME HE WILL GIVE ME A
TICKET IF I DIDN'T MOVE.
I TOLD HIM TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME A TICKET BECAUSE I AM NOT
GOING TO MOVE.
HE SAID WELL YOU CAN PARK OVER THERE.
I SAY NO I CAN'T PARK OVER THERE.
THEY DON'T WANT ME TO PARK OVER THERE.
THAT IS OVER THERE AT THE APARTMENT BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE SEEM TO HATE SO BAD AND SO HEAVY.
I AM GOING TO WORK HERE, GOD ALMIGHTY BECAUSE HE IS THE
REASON I'M HERE THIS MORNING.
AND I THANK HIM FOR IT TO.
YOU KNOW WHAT, TAMPA FLORIDA IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE WORST
CITIES TO STAY AND LIVE IN AND TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING WE ARE FEEDING THE HUNGRY.
FEEDING THE POOR PEOPLE.
BUT THEY DON'T WANT US -- TO SEEM FOR US TO WANT TO DO THAT
NO MORE.
THEY TAKE OUR FREEDOM AWAY FROM US.
SO WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WE STILL HAVE FREEDOM IN JESUS
CHRIST.
AND THAT'S WHAT I AM ALL ABOUT.
YOU GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE A PLAQUE.
BUT WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME A PLAQUE.
LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH YOU APPRECIATE ME FOR WHAT I AM DOING
AND I AM TRYING TO DO THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT.
I AM NOT GOING TO THE SCHOOL OF -- KILLING NO ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL.
I AIN'T GOING TO DO NOTHING LIKE THAT.
I AM NOT GOING TO SHOOT UP NOBODY BECAUSE I WANT TO GET THE
GLORY.
I WANT TO GET TO HEAVEN.
THAT IS WHAT LIFE IS ALL ABOUT.
FOR US TO GET TO HEAVEN.
I AM NOT STRIVING TO BE HERE ALWAYS.
MY TIME IS SHORT, BUT I THANK GOD FOR THE DAYS THAT I'M
HERE.
WE MUST UNDERSTAND ALSO.
BROTHER GUDES, I HAVE GOT SOMETHING TO GIVE YOU.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL FOLLOWS ME WHEREVER I GO.
AND I GOT SOME PROPERTY -- I HAVE PROPERTY -- AND I HEARD IT
THE FIRST TIME.
[BEEPING]
I GOT SOME PROPERTY WHEN MY DADDY LEFT ME HERE.
AND THEY DONE RED TAGGED MY PROPERTY.
I WANT TO KNOW THIS HERE, WHY ARE OUR TAXES -- HOMEOWNER
TAXES GONE UP SO MUCH?
DOUBLE, TRIPLE -- MAYBE TRIPLE, AND THAT IS NOT RIGHT.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
THE CITY COUNCIL RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT?
10:11:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:11:38AM >> THANK YOU.
10:11:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. DRUMGO.
AM I RECOGNIZED.
10:11:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:11:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN YOU FOLLOW PASTOR OUT.
GET HIS INFORMATION AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AS IT RELATES --
BECAUSE I MADE SEVERAL INQUIRIES ABOUT THAT CHURCH.
WILL YOU DO THAT FOR ME, SIR?
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:12:03AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, ROD HATCH, 810 EAST PATTERSON
STREET.
I CAME TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BUT BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I
SENT A VIDEO TO ALL OF YOU ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT A
CONSTRUCTION SITE 1001 AND 1003 ROBSON STREET.
STREWN WITH LITTER.
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, THEY ARE CONSTANTLY GOING TO INSPECT
IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY DOESN'T RED TAG AND ISSUE A STOP
WORK PERMIT.
ONE CONSTRUCTION SITE.
THOUSANDS OF IT THROUGHOUT THE CITY STREWN WITH LITTER.
THE OWNER, A NICE YOUNG MAN BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO
MANAGE HIS PEOPLE.
THE STORM SEWER IS SUPPOSED TO BE BLOCKED.
IT IS NOT BLOCKED.
FENCING HAS BEEN KNOCKED DOWN FOR THREE WEEKS.
WHAT DOES CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DO IF THEY CAN'T ADDRESS
THIS.
HE FINALLY GETS A DUMPSTER MONDAY.
AND THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN THIS MORNING.
THERE IS A DUMPSTER THERE.
ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER YOU CAN SEE A GARBAGE CAN HERE.
THERE IS THE BLOCKING FOR THE STORM SEWER STILL LAYING
THERE.
THIS IS JUST THIS MORNING ABOUT 150 YARDS FROM THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
IT GOES RIGHT INTO THE STORM SEWER.
BLOCKS THE STORM SEWER AND ENDS UP IN THE RIVER AND THE BAY.
BACK IN JULY, YOU ASKED US OF FINES OF LITTERING AND I KNOW
THAT IS COMING UP AGAIN TODAY.
SINCE NOTIFYING YOU A BEAK AND A HALF AGO AND THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE AND I ALSO FILED A COMPLAINT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD
ENHANCEMENT.
CURIOUS TO SIGH HOW MANY FINES WERE GIVEN TO THIS PROPERTY
OWNER.
I BET ZERO.
THIS IS THE CORNER.
THIS IS JUST ABOUT EVERY EXIT RAMP AND ON RAMP IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
ALL THIS GOES IN THE RIVER.
WHAT DOES THE CITY DO?
SIT ON OUR HAND, COMPLACENT WITH IT.
$100,000 FOR A FIRM IN OCALA TO TELL YOU WHERE THE LITTERING
HOT SPOTS.
I WILL TELL YOU WHERE YOU ARE AND SAVE THAT THE $100,000.
AN AGGRESSIVE SIGN CAMPAIGN.
KEEP A CLEAN TAMPA WHY PEOPLE LITTER.
THEY ARE STUPID, THEY ARE LAZY, IGNORANT OR ALL OF THE
ABOVE.
ALL FOUR OR THAT SIMPLE.
SIGN CAMPAIGN.
TAKE $100,000 AND PUT IT IN A SIGN CAMPAIGN AND REALLY MAKE
A DIFFERENCE.
FROM STORM SEWERS TOOK A PICTURE OF NEBRASKA.
THIS WAS LAST SATURDAY ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL RIVER.
WE ALL TALK ABOUT THE RIVERWALK, BUT THE RIVER IS THE HEART
OF THE CITY.
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER, THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT IS RIGHT AT -- COUNCILMAN GUDES.
YOU SAID HOW MANY TRASH CANS I PUT THERE.
TRASH CANS DON'T FIX STUPID, IGNORANT OR LAZY.
WON'T DO IT.
SUNDAY MORNING DAVIS ISLAND.
7 A.M. OR 7:30 AFTER SUNRISE, GARBAGE CANS RIGHTS THERE.
SIGNS AT DAVIS ISLAND.
NOT ONE OF THOSE SIGNS TALK.LITTER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:15:24AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I WANT TO SAY WE NEED BETTER LEADERSHIP.
WE NEED LEADERSHIP NATIONALLY, LOCALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY
THAT ADDRESSES REAL ISSUES AND REAL SITUATION AND STOP
HOODWINKING THE PEOPLE.
TWO 16-YEAR-OLDS.
ONE MURDERED.
ONE IN CRITICAL CONDITION JUST WITHIN THE LAST WEEK.
AND YOU GOT THE LEADERSHIP RUNNING AROUND HERE TALKING OF
GUN BUY-BACK AND ALL THIS OTHER STUPIDITY.
NOBODY PUTS THE BLAME ON WHERE THE BLAME BELONGS ON THE GUN
MANUFACTURERS.
ANYWAY, WHAT WE NEED NOW IN THIS CITY, REPARATION, TAX.
ON THE BALLOT.
BEFORE WE CAN GET THE REPARATION ON THE BALLOT, WE NEED OUR
CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THE NEED FOR
REPARATION.
WE NEED A REPARATION TAX ITEM ON THIS CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.
AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF
REPARATION.
AFRICAN PEOPLE THAT REPARATIONS ALSO CURE 98% OF ALL OF OUR
PROBLEMS.
WE NEED NOT A LOT OF CRAZY WHITE PEOPLE WITH GOOD WHITE
NATIONALIST SENSE, TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THE REPARATION.
WE NEED NOT TO LET WHITE AMERICA TO PUT BLACK ENTERTAINERS
AND ATHLETES.
NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A VOICE, BUT MEGAN STALLION,
NIKKI MINAJ, DEION SANDERS AND MANY OTHER ATHLETES,
ENTERTAINERS, COMMUNITIES LEADERS AND BLACK PREACHERS FEEL
ABOUT THE WORLD'S ECONOMY, NUCLEAR WEAPONS, SPACE STATION,
AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREPARE FOR THE NEXT HURRICANE.
NO ONE SHOULD EXPECT THAT WE AS AFRICANS MAKE PERFORMANCE
SACRIFICES WITH FREE LABOR, COINCIDENTALLY OF AFRICA,
AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND AND OTHER PLACES AND NOT GET ANY FORM
OF COMPENSATION.
REPARATION ALSO SOLVE CHILD SUPPORT, CRIME, HEALTH CARE,
EVERY AREA IMAGINABLE.
WHITE AMERICA KNOWS FOR A FACT THAT THEY OWE AFRICAN PEOPLE
REPARATIONS.
INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE REPARATION PROMISE,
WHITE AMERICA MOVED IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION BY TAKING OVER
TWO MILLION ACRES OF LAND FROM PLAQUE FARMERS IN THE 40
ACRES AND THE MULE.
INSTEAD OF COMPENSATING AFRICANS FOR OUR WORK, SLAVERY,
UNEMPLOYMENT AND UNDEREMPLOYMENT, WHITE AMERICA SLAPPED US
IN THE FACE WITH POLICE BRUTALITY, HOUSING DISCRIMINATION,
CONVICT LEASING, DISPROPORTIONATELY INCARCERATING AFRICAN
PEOPLE FOR CRIMES AND TO KEEP THE AFRICAN MAN, WOMAN AND
CHILD IN SUBROGATION.
WE AS ADULTS HAVE TO SHOW LEADERSHIP.
NOT ONLY TO OUR FAMILIES, NOT ONLY TO OURSELVES, NOT ONLY TO
THE HOMELESS PEOPLE OUT HERE, NOT ONLY TO THE PEOPLE THAT
EXPERIENCED HOUSING CRISIS AND EMPLOYMENT CRISIS, OTHER
CRISIS, GAS CRISIS, EVERYTHING HIGH.
WE NEED TO SHOW LEADERSHIP AND SPEAKING TRUTH TO REAL
ISSUES.
PERIOD.
10:18:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
WALTER DUNN.
A HOMELESS ADVOCATE.
MY QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL TODAY.
RETURNING CITIZENS COMING BACK TO OUR CITY FROM PRISONS ALL
OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WHAT JOB ASSISTANCE AND HOUSING
OPPORTUNITIES DO WE HAVE TO OFFER THEM?
THERE ARE MANY GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP WITH OUR GREAT CITY.
WHY AREN'T WE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS.
WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER OUR OUTREACH PROGRAM WHILE
REDUCING RECIDIVISM AT THE SAME TIME.
IF THERE IS A PROGRAM OR PROCESS THAT IS AVAILABLE I WILL BE
HERE UNTIL THE END OF THE SESSION.
I HAVE GREAT IDEAS AND WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS IT WITH THE
COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
10:19:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:19:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, MAY I ASK -- MAY I ASK --
10:19:37AM >> YES, SIR.
10:19:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF YOU WANT TO MEET OUTSIDE.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE -- WE ARE WORKING ON SOMETHING.
IF YOU WANT TO MEET OUTSIDE, I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU.
10:19:45AM >> SURE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:19:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:19:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, COUNCILMEN, COUNCILWOMAN, ALISON
HEWITT, 32nd STREET, EAST TAMPA.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
WE ARE IN EAST TAMPA.
WE ARE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED OF THE EAST TAMPA RECREATIONAL
COMPLEX.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INVESTMENTS IN EAST TAMPA.
BUT WE WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT OUR
COMMUNITY WILL BE WATCHING THIS CLOSELY AS IT MOVES FORWARD.
WE HAD A -- THE AGENDA ITEM ON THE DESIGN-BUILD.
AND DURING IMPLEMENTATION FOR THEIR PROJECT, THE COMMUNITY
WAS THRILLED WHEN THEY SAID THEY HAD A 71% COMMITMENT TO
MINORITY SMALL BUSINESS INVESTMENT.
LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS THE DESIGN-BUILD, AND THAT IS THE
71%.
AND THEY SAID THAT THE REST WILL BE A GOAL ONCE WE HAVE THE
CONSTRUCTION DESIGN.
SO WE ARE ENCOURAGING THEM TO STAY AS AGGRESSIVE TO THEIR
COMMITMENTS WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE
SURE SMALL, MINORITY BUSINESSES ARE INCLUDED.
AND WE OFFER AT THE EAST TAMPA CRA ECONOMIC SUBCOMMITTEE.
IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH US TO DO OUTREACH FOR
SPECIFIC EAST TAMPA BUSINESSES WHO WILL QUALIFY TO BE BONDED
AND INSURED THAT WE WORK WITH THEM AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
THE 71% FOR THE DESIGN-BUILD AND JUST AS COMMITTED DURING
THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE FOR THEIR INCLUSION OF MINORITY-OWNED
BUSINESSES AND SPECIFICALLY INCLUSION OF MINORITY BUSINESSES
LOCATED IN EAST TAMPA.
THANK YOU.
10:21:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:21:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:21:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:21:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. GREG IN THE BACK.
MAKE SURE YOU TAKE NOTES AND GET INFORMATION AND PARTSER
INNING WITH THE CAC TO MONITOR FOR THAT CLOSELY.
I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE WHEN WE GET TO 5, BUT MAKE SURE
WE PASS THAT ALONG.
THANK YOU.
10:21:49AM >> GOOD MORNING, KEELA McCASKILL, TAMPA RESIDENT, NATIVE.
I AM ALSO HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 5, WHILE WE ARE EAGER TO HAVE
THIS PROJECT AS SHE MENTIONED, WE ARE EXCITED OF THE ACTUAL
PROJECT.
BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I MEAN, WE ARE SUPER EXCITED AND
THANKFUL FOR THE COMMITMENT, THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO
YOU COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR ALL YOU ENCOUNTERED THIS PAST YEAR
AND MAKING THIS HAPPEN, WORDS OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE SENIORS
MISS BETTY BELL.
SHE SAID YOU KEPT YOUR WORD, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.
EVEN AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE WANTED TO ALSO -- AND THE STAFF
PARTICIPATED -- NICOLE IN 30 DAYS TURNED IT AROUND ALONG
WITH HER ASSISTANT AND THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THAT.
LIKE I SAID, WE ARE EXCITED.
PUT ON NOTICE THAT WE ARE WATCHING.
WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
WE WANT THE PROJECT BUT WANT QUALITY AND AT A FAIR PRICE AND
WE WANT LOTS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
I WILL GET TO THAT TOWARD THE END.
WE HAVE SEEN OUR WOUNDS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE SEEN A LOT.
FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE TRUSTED, WE ELECTED.
IN PAST YEAR WE WATCHED THEM FOR DOING THEIR JOB.
OF SUPPORTING THE CONSTITUENTS.
PEOPLE WHO COME TO THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE LOST ONE -- THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE.
WE LOST ONE.
AND TWO OF THEM WERE UNDER ATTACK.
AND AFTER ALL THAT -- AFTER ALL OF THAT PROTECTING OUR
INTEREST ON A PROJECT WHERE WE RAISED REQUEST HE IS, HANNA
STREET, WE HAD QUESTIONS FOR THEM TRYING TO DO WHAT IS BEST
FOR THE CONSTITUENTS.
THEY CAME UNDER ATTACK -- FOR OTHER REASONS AS WELL -- THEY
CAME UNDER ATTACK AND OUR WOUNDS ARE FRESH.
WE LEARNED WE CAN'T TAKE WHAT THE STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION
SAY AT FACE VALUE, WE NEED TO DO OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE AND
OWN RESEARCH.
SEEING THE INFORMATION HERE, WE ARE STILL -- YOU KNOW, WE
ARE LOOKING AT IT.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN HERE THAT WILL CONTRADICT WHAT
WE WANT.
WE WANT MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
LIKE I SAID, WE NEED TO SEE IT AND ASKING THAT IF YOU STAFF,
TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
BECAUSE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS SO IMPORTANT, INDICATED IT
HAS TWO MEETINGS DURING THE DESIGN PHASE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PLAN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION
PHASE.
DURING THE DESIGN PHASE.
YOU ARE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT A
RESIDENTIAL AREA PREDOMINANTLY AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO
LIVE THERE ARE SENIORS.
PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE SENIORS.
I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION AT THE REGAN PARK AND I
DIDN'T SEE IT HERE AT THIS PLAN.
UNTIL YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION WHAT IS
BEST FROM THE COMMUNITY, UNTIL YOU ARE CONFIDENT OF WHAT
THEY PRESENTED, I AM ASKING YOU THAT DELAY IT AND THEN COME
BACK WITH THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SHOWS US WHAT
THEY ARE ASKING FOR AND WHAT THEY PRESENTED.
I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THEY PRESENTED AT REGAN PARK IN TERMS OF
WHAT THEY PRESENTED.
I WANT TO SEE AS -- I WANT TO SEE MORE FOR COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE SENIOR WHO SEEM LIKE
THEIR VOICES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:24:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:24:58AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS VICTOR DeMAYO, 512 N. FRANKLIN STREET.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS
WHO LIVE IN THE N. FRANKLIN STREET AREA JUST NORTH OF HERE.
I MET -- AFTER THE TWO INCIDENTS AND SOME OPEN GUN FIRE AT
N. FRANKLIN STREET, MORE PEOPLE BECAME CONCERNED, MORE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUSINESSES AND LIVE DOWNTOWN WITH A COUPLE
OF ESTABLISHMENTS DOWN THERE, LED AND EDEN.
WE COME UP WITH A COUPLE OF PROPOSALS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE
CITY COUNCIL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SINCE THIS IS
LOCALIZED TO ONE OR TWO ESTABLISHMENTS, IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO
INITIATE THE EXISTING NUISANCE ABATENESS ORDINANCE AND DO
INVESTIGATION ON THEM.
AND RATHER TO HAVE THEM IN TOWN, REDUCE THEIR PARTICULAR
HOURS TO 12 OR 1:00 AT NIGHT WHERE MOST OF THE INCIDENTS
HAVE OCCURRED.
THE OTHER SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO REQUIRE THOSE RESTAURANTS
OR -- EXCUSE ME, NOT RESTAURANTS, BUT THESE ARE LIQUOR-ONLY
ESTABLISHMENTS, SOME OF THEM.
REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE OFFICERS AT THE DOOR.
AN EXISTING ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS THAT REQUIRE CERTAIN
ESTABLISHMENTS TO HAVE OFFICERS AT THE DOORS BUT OVER A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OCCUPANCY.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE FOR THESE
PARTICULAR COUPLE OF INSTANCES.
THERE HAS BEEN AN INSTANCE, OPEN AUTOMATIC GUNFIRE ACROSS
FROM CONDO ASSOCIATION, NORTH OF 7th STREET.
WE ARE TALKING OF THE NORTH FRANKLIN -- A COUPLE OF DAYS
NEAR MY HOUSE WEST ARMENIA, THERE WAS A KILLING AT A
McDONALD'S.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH TAMPA AT THE MOMENT, BUT
SEEMS TO BE A LOT -- A LOT OF SHOOTING WITH GUNS.
AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T CONTROL EVERYTHING, BUT I -- AND THE
PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP LUKE FRIEDA AND
MYSELF CAME UP WITH THE SUGGESTIONS THAT COUNCIL TO LOOK AT
AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AT LEAST WHAT CAN BE DONE BECAUSE IT
IS HURTING.
I REPRESENT THE STRAZ CENTER.
YOU KNOW, ONLY -- THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED JUST A COUPLE OF
BLOCKS AWAY.
AND NOW THAT WE ARE KICKING UP OUR SHOWS AGAIN, THERE ARE
PEOPLE WHO USE PARKING LOTS ALONG TAMPA STREET JUST A COUPLE
OF BLOCKS AWAY BETWEEN WHERE THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED AND THE
STRAZ CENTER.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF INVESTMENTS IN IT.
AROUND THE AIRPORT TO BE DOWNTOWN TO BE CLOSER NEAR MY MOM
WHO IS GETTING A LITTLE ELDERLY.
SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT UNNERVING TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN.
IF YOU CAN AT LEAST DISCUSS THIS.
THANK YOU.
10:28:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:28:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SEE ASSISTANT CHIEF JOHNSON BACK THERE.
I MET WITH A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS LAST FRIDAY IN THE DOWNTOWN
AREA AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD ANOTHER SHOOTING THIS MORNING.
AND I TALKED ABOUT SOME IDEAS THAT I AM GOING TO BRING FORTH
TO THE CHIEF.
MY OFFICE WILL BE SCHEDULING A MEETING WITH YOUR OFFICE,
CHIEF.
ONE BEING THATCH WHEN I DO THE CIRCUIT -- YOU KNOW I AM OUT
THERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BARS.
I LOOK AT THE TRAINING OF THE SECURITY.
A LOT OF THEM ARE HIRING GUYS OFF THE STREET WITH NO
TRAINING.
COME UP WITH A PROGRAM FOR THESE BARS AND HAVE A LIQUOR
ESTABLISHMENT, OF THE SECURITY STAFF OF HOW TO -- VERSUS
BEATING THE HELL OUT OF SOMEBODY ESCORTING THEM OUT OF THE
DOOR.
LIKE WHAT YOU ARE TRAINED TO DO.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE -- WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE
ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS BEING AT LIQUOR ESTABLISHMENTS.
THAT IS NOT HAPPENING, BECAUSE SOME OFFICERS DON'T WANT TO
WORK -- I DON'T KNOW MAYBE A MUNICIPAL AID AGREEMENT AND
HAVE AN IDEA AS FAR AS SECURITY, LOOKING AT -- WHEN I WAS A
YOUNG OFFICER WITH A WORKING THE BARS, AT THE END OF THE
NIGHT, THE OWNERS MADE SURE -- I KNOW WAS A GOOD OWNER AND
EMPLOYEES WENT AND CLEANED THE PARKING LOT, THE TRASH.
I GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE
PARKING LOT.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE -- I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A
TRAINING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH ALL THE BAR OWNERS.
AND DOs AND DON'Ts AND THINGS THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED.
I AM GOING TO SET UP WITH YOU AND THE CHIEF TO SEE WHAT WE
CAN DO.
I WON'T MAKE A MOTION TODAY BECAUSE I WANT TO MEET WITH YOU
TO SEE WHAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT.
ALSO ZONING WHEN YOU TALK OF FRANKLIN STREET.
IT IS BECOMING MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND LOOK AT THE
ZONING AND HAVING BARS MOVE OUT OF THERE.
SOMETHING.
SOME CAN'T GET OUT RIGHT NOW PAUSE THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED.
BUT THOSE THAT ARE COMING FORWARD NOW, MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE
THAT.
WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION, CHIEF.
10:30:23AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT ALSO.
I KNOW IT A CONCERN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE
COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE HAD THOSE TALKS WITH SOME OF THE BARS ON HOW TO
PROVIDE THAT BETTER SECURITY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
FRANKLIN STREET IS SOMETHING NEW.
AND KIND OF LIKE THE BARS THAT OPEN ON FRANKLIN STREET, THEY
DON'T HAVE THAT SECURITY ASPECT.
THEY LIKE THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT, BUT THEY DON'T D -- NOT
THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THE SECURITY ASPECT, THEY DON'T FOCUS
ON IT.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHO IS COMING IN THEIR BARS AND CLUBS.
ONE HOMICIDE WE HAD, WE HAD GANG MEMBERS IN THERE.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHO IS INSIDE THE CLUBS AT THE TIME.
THE SECURITY CAN BE LAX.
I TALKED TO AN OWNER AFTER THE INCIDENT OCCURRED AND ASSURED
THEM THAT WE WILL LOOK INTO IT.
THE TRAINING THEY NEED TO REALLY TRY TO BE AWARE OF WHO IS
COMING INTO THEIR CLUB.
WHERE THE PATRONS ARE PARKING AT WHEN THEY GO IN THEIR CLUBS
WILL ALL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE HAVE THOSE
TALKS.
10:31:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I LIKE YOU AND THE CHIEF AND WHOEVER WITH
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS TO GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT ALL THE BARS WE
HAVE.
MEETING WITH THOSE BARS AND MAYBE SOMEHOW PUT TOGETHER SOME
TYPE OF TRAINING PROGRAM FOR THE BARS OPINION IF THEY KNOW
WHAT TO DO, THEY MAYBE CAN PREVENT SOME OF THESE THINGS FROM
HAPPENING.
WHO IS IN THE CLUB.
MAYBE SOMETHING TO PAY FOR IF WE OFFER THAT.
WHEN I GO TO YBOR CITY, I SEE GUYS TO BE SECURITY FOR THE
NIGHT.
I THINK -- MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE AN ORDINANCE INCORPORATED
LIKE THAT, BUT I AM LOOKING FOR THE IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS TO
COME BACK WITH SOMETHING.
10:32:06AM >> SURE WILL.
10:32:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL WAIT BUT DO NOT WANT TO -- I WANT TO
YOU GO AHEAD AND BRING SOMETHING TO US.
10:32:13AM >> I WILL BE IN TOUCH.
10:32:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:32:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
REAL QUICK, GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AND I APPRECIATE THE
SPEAKER.
I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE ENDS OF THE MEETING.
I AM NOT.
IT IS YOUR DISTRICT.
YOU TAKE THE LEAD.
I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU.
I MET TWO OF THE COMMUNITY THERE.
A MAN SHOT IN THE HEAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET IN
FRANKLIN STREET, YOU KNOW.
THAT IS JUST ONE OF OTHER INSTANCES.
BUT SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM I DON'T
KNOW WHAT WILL.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE LEADERSHIP ON THIS.
AND I HOPE WE FIND A SOLUTION.
THANK YOU.
10:32:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JUST ONE MORE THING IF YOU DON'T MIND.
10:32:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:32:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR BEING RECOGNIZED.
WE ARE NOT ADVOCATING -- BECAUSE IT IS FRANKLIN STREET.
I HAVE BEEN TALKING THIS A WHILE ALL OVER THE CITY IN
REFERENCE TO GUN VIOLENCE, YBOR AND SO FORTH.
NOW I THINK IT HAS COME TO A HEAD.
WE WILL LOOK AT THE WHOLE CITY AS A WHOLE.
SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM OR TRAINING FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY
SO THEY WILL KNOW WHAT TO DO NOT JUST BECAUSE IT IS FRANKLIN
STREET.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC.
10:33:24AM >> ANYTHING ELSE?
10:33:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S IT.
10:33:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
10:33:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
OCTOBER IS SPECIAL FOR PEOPLE WHO IS ENGAGED FOR FIGHTING
FOR LIBERATION AND FREEDOM BECAUSE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO
RECOGNIZE OUR BELOVED SISTER FANNY LOU HAMER AND WORK OF THE
BLACK PANTHER PARTY.
THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY FORMED IN 1966.
PUT TOGETHER A TEN-POINT PLATFORM.
SPOKE TO THE NEEDS THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE NEEDED IN AMERICA.
AND POINT NUMBER FIVE WAS BETTER HOUSING.
SO IN 1966 THROUGH THE JOURNEY OF THE CIVIL ARE RIGHTS
MOVEMENT, WE ARE STILL TALKING OF BETTER HOUSING.
HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO JUST BE ABLE TO FIND DIGNITY IN
LIVING.
THE OTHER NIGHT, THE CITY HAD, I THOUGHT, A MEETING OF AN
ACCESSORY DWELLING TO FIND OUT IT WAS ON VIRTUAL.
COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT TO BE LEFT OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
IT WAS ADVERTISED ON BAY NEWS 9.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, INFORMATION CAME TO US A LITTLE TOO LATE.
POINT NUMBER -- AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 MAY BE LIKE AGENDA
NUMBER 26.
THE HANNA STREET PARKING IS ALMOST COMPLETED.
YOU GO DOWN ONE DAY TO GARAGES BUILT.
BUT WHEN WE GO TO ASK PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT IS THE
ECONOMIC IMPACT IS COMING TO THE COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE THAT
LIVE THERE IN TERMS OF JOBS.
WE DON'T SEE IT.
SO HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING YOUR EAST TAMPA
DEVELOPMENT AND IN JACKSON HEIGHTS, IT DON'T BE BECAUSE WE
GOT A PRETTY DESIGN.
TWO OR THREE PEOPLE END UP GETTING JOBS AND THE REST OF US
ARE SPECTATORS.
ITEM NUMBER 58 IS $60,000 THAT THE EAST TAMPA GROUP HAD TO
END UP FOR THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.
HOPEFULLY THAT ACTION PLAN WILL BECOME OF USE TO THE
COMMUNITY.
NUMBER 18, I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW THAT IS GOING TO BENEFIT
PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THE BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
OF COURSE WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS
WELL.
AND I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK ILL ON ITEM NUMBER 4.
BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT SENDING RESOURCES TO ANY
NONPROFIT AND ESPECIALLY IN EAST TAMPA, WE WANT IT TO BE FOR
THE BETTER GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT PEOPLE INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITIES
ARE SEEING REDEVELOPMENT AND REHAB.
WE HAVE TOO MANY BLUE TARPS.
TOO MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO SIMPLY DON'T KNOW HOW
TO GO AND OBTAIN THE INFORMATION.
SO WHEN THE CITY IS DOING ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS PRIOR
TO ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, WE WANT TO SEE ACTUAL WORK.
THANK YOU.
10:36:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
10:36:42AM >>CLERK:
JEAN STROHMEYER, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:36:50AM >> HELLO.
10:36:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HELLO.
10:36:52AM >> HELLO.
10:36:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HELLO.
10:36:53AM >> HELLO?
OH, PEPPERONI.
10:36:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE CAN HEAR YOU.
10:37:00AM >>CLERK:
YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
10:37:04AM >> HELLO?
HOLY MOTHER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING.
HELLO.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME?
10:37:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:37:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:37:18AM >> LET ME KNOW -- BECAUSE I CAN'T HEAR YOU ALL ACKNOWLEDGE.
ANYWAY, JEAN STROHMEYER.
I WAS JUST ON THE PHONE AND I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ALREADY MY
TURN.
HOW ARE YOU DOING.
HOPE EVERYBODY IS GO.
GO THROUGH THE AGENDA REAL QUICK.
TRANSPARENCY.
YES, WE LOVE TRANSPARENCY.
THANK YOU FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON BRINGING THAT UP OFTEN.
I DID NOT KNOW OF THE $21 MILLION.
IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE AGENDA EVERY TIME, ALL THE TIME.
WE DO SCAN FOR BIG NUMBERS.
WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH EVERYTHING IS.
SO ON -- AND THEN I JUST -- SOMEBODY MENTIONED SOMETHING
ABOUT -- SOMETHING ABOUT JUSTICE, SOCIAL JUSTICE, CRIMINAL
JUSTICE, THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT JUSTICE BUT NEVER SAYS
ANYTHING ABOUT -- ANYTHING IN FRONT OF THE WORD "JUSTICE."
BECAUSE "JUSTICE" ACTUALLY IS GETTING WHAT YOU DESERVE
WITHOUT FAVOR.
SOCIAL JUSTICE IS GETTING WHAT WITH YOU DON'T DESERVE
BECAUSE YOU ARE -- WHETHER YOU ARE POOR.
WHETHER YOU ARE RICH.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO JUST KEEP IN MIND WHAT JUSTICE REALLY IS.
THERE IS NO SOCIAL JUSTICE.
THAT IS INJUSTICE.
ON THE AGENDA, LET'S SEE -- A FEW THINGS.
WE ARE TALKING OF ALL OF THE LITTER AND ALL THAT, TAMPA HAS
A CONTRACT WITH KEEP TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL.
WE HAVE GIRL SCOUTS.
WE HAVE CUB SCOUTS.
WE HAVE GROUPS ALL OVER THAT ASSOCIATE -- IN FACT TO DO ANY
KINDS OF GROUP PROJECT TO CLEAN UP ANYTHING, WE HAVE TO GO
THROUGH KEEP TAMPA BEAUTIFUL OR WHATEVER -- LIKE KEEP TAMPA
BAY BEAUTIFUL.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND MONEY ON LITTER CAMPAIGNS.
BECAUSE THAT KIND OF THING IS FREE.
JUST ADD SOME MORE -- WE CLEAN UP THE RIVER BY BOAT, BY
CANOE, WHATEVER.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE DAYS.
SO JUST ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO CLEAN UP THE LITTER.
YES, IT IS STUPID PEOPLE WHO DO THAT AND RUDE PEOPLE.
YOU GO TO IRELAND, NOT ONE STICK OF LITTER ANYWHERE ON THE
GROUND.
BEAUTIFUL AND GREEN JUST SO YOU KNOW.
BUDGET ITEMS.
NUMBER 25, Y'ALL MENTIONED SHOULD INCLUDE THE DETAILS
IN SIRE.
I AGREE.
YES, YOU CAN DO THAT.
ANYWAY, A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT I -- OH, NUMBER 12, CITIZEN
ADVISORY BUDGET.
I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPOINTED AND
NONELECTED SHOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER OUR BUDGET.
WE VOTE FOR YOU PEOPLE TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
WE DON'T VOTE FOR PEOPLE ON ALL THESE LITTLE ADVISORY
COMMITTEES.
I AM A LITTLE WORRY ABOUT THAT.
GETTING OUT OF CONTROL ALL THESE COMMITTEES AND SUCH.
UNDER ADMINISTRATION.
AND THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR TODAY.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:40:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
CHIEF BENNETT.
10:40:11AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, COUNCIL.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF AND GOOD MORNING TO THE PUBLIC.
EARLIER DURING THE AGENDA APPROVAL, THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL
TO TAKE STAFF REPORTS IN A CERTAIN SEQUENCE.
SO IF IT IS OKAY WITH COUNCIL, I WILL USE ITEM NUMBER 3 TO
TALK ABOUT ITEMS 24, 25, 26 AND 28.
IS THAT OKAY WITH COUNCIL?
10:40:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OBJECTION TO THAT?
PLEASE PROCEED.
10:40:49AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
SO I AM GOING TO START WITH THE -- WITH THE ODD NUMBERS.
SO LET'S GET THOSE OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- BECAUSE WHEN I
WROTE THE MEMO TO COUNCIL, THE FINAL DRAFT WASN'T THERE YET.
ITEM 25, WHICH JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE I WANT TO MAKE
SURE.
BUDGET ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE A ONE-PAGE REPORT
IN SIRE WITH THE FOLLOWING, THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT, THE
NUMBER OF BIDDERS, THE NAME OF THE BIDDERS, THE DOLLARS AND
WHY THE WINNING BID WAS SELECTED OVER OTHER BIDS.
AND FIRST I WANT TO SAY IN THE SPIRIT OF CONTINUOUS
IMPROVEMENT.
TRANSPARENCY AND VISIBILITY IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS A
WORK IN PROGRESS.
WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS BOTH IN COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
THE TIME WE GET FEEDBACK AND A CLASSIC EXAMPLE WHAT IS
HAPPENED IN THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
WHO HAD A PROCUREMENT BACKGROUND -- IF YOU PUT IN THE ACTUAL
ITEM, WHETHER IT WAS A COST INCREASE, A BAROMETRIC FOR
COUNCIL MEMBER TO GO IN DEEPER, 10%, 3%.
SO OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT ADAPTED TO THAT AND PUT THAT
RIGHT IN THE LINE.
TO MR. CARLSON AGENCIES POINT THIS MORNING, WHAT DO WE MAKE
MORE VISIBILITY AS OPPOSED TO DEEPER INSIDE THE SIRE SYSTEM
THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO LOOK DEEPER IN THIS.
IN THIS JOURNEY OF TRANSPARENCY, PART OF THAT IS WORKING ON
THE VISIBILITY OF THE INFORMATION.
AND SO COUNCIL WAS MOVING THE PLATFORM FOR TWO PARTS.
ONE TO ENHANCE THE BUDGET AWARENESS AND THE ABILITY TO GO
DEEP DIVE INTO THE BUDGET.
AND I KNOW THERE IS A TRAINING CURVE TO THAT.
AND THAT IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT ALSO THE
PERFORMANCE METRICS OF THE CITY, NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE DOING
FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND COMMUNITY SERVICE.
BRINGING THOSE DATA POINTS, WHETHER THEY ARE ENTERPRISE
DRIVEN OR GENERAL FUND DRIVEN TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE
PUBLIC AND MAKE THAT AS TRANSFORMING AS POSSIBLE TO SUPPORT
FURTHER ANALYSIS AND, AGAIN, CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT FOR
EFFICIENCY, EQUITY AND OPENNESS.
SO GOING BACK TO THIS MOTION WHICH I APPRECIATE ASKING FOR
THOSE THINGS TO BE ELEVATED, I CALLED IT TNI DIVISION
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BACK END OF SIRE AND THEY INSTANTLY
UPDATED THE FRAMEWORK OF THAT STAFF REPORT TO INCLUDE THOSE
ITEMS.
GAVE A PROTOTYPE TO SHOW THEY ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT
PAGE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AS SOON AS NOVEMBER 3, YOU WILL
SEE REPORTS THAT INCLUDE THOSE FIVE ELEMENTS.
SO IF THAT IS OKAY WITH COUNCIL -- AND THERE MAY BE ANOTHER
ITERATION THAT HITS US OVER THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE TOGETHER.
WE CAN MAKE THOSE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT EFFORTS.
SO IF STAFF HAS ANY -- I WOULD LIKE TO GO ONE BY ONE TO MAKE
SURE THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
BUT IT MAY TAKE A COUPLE COUNCIL ITERATIONS TO GET ALL THAT
FILLED OUT, BUT THE FRAMEWORK IS THERE TO FULFILL WHAT
COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR.
10:44:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:44:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN ASKING FOR FOR
QUITE SOME TIME.
IT DOES HELP US.
IT HELPS OUR -- HELPS THE PUBLIC WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF
WHY WE ARE HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
APPRECIATE THAT.
10:44:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:44:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR ANYTHING YOU CAN TO DO PROVIDE
THE TRANSPARENCY AND VISIBILITY.
STARTED THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO, A GREAT CONCERN OF
THE RFP PROCESS AND YOU HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY WORKING ON IT
TO MAKE IT TRANSPARENT.
A LOT OF ALLEGATIONS BACK AT THAT TIME, BUT THAT -- THAT
NEGATIVITY HAS -- HAS CROSSED OVER US TO AND BECAUSE PEOPLE
WERE SUSPICIOUS OF THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, THEY ARE
SUSPICIOUS OF THIS.
SO THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN GIVE THAT IS EASILY
ACCESSIBLE BY THE PUBLIC, THE EASIER IT IS TO ANSWER THE
QUESTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THEY CAN TRUST
THE SYSTEM.
THANK YOU.
10:45:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
CHIEF, ANY ACTION WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE?
10:45:14AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
NO.
IF COUNCIL IS SATISFIED AND YOU WILL SEE THE PROTOTYPE.
FOR SOME REASON -- NOW, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THERE IS A
FRAMEWORK, THERE IS CONTENT.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THE CONTENT TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT THE
CONTENT MEETS THE SPECS.
WE HAVE CONSTANT MEETING AT THE STAFF LEVEL WORKSHOPS
COACHING THE CONTENTS AS WE GO ALONG.
THANK YOU.
10:45:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH
THIS REPORT?
10:45:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM.
ACTUALLY, THOUGH, I AM GOING TO ASK THAT THIS COME BACK JUST
TO HAVE IT ON OUR CALENDAR IN JANUARY JUST TO KIND OF, YOU
KNOW, SEE HOW THINGS ARE GOING.
SEE IF THERE ARE ANY UPDATES OR CHANGES THAT WE WANT MADE.
10:45:55AM >> SECOND.
10:45:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S DO THAT JANUARY 5 DURING STAFF REPORTS,
PLEASE.
10:46:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF, DOES THAT GIVE YOU AND STAFF ENOUGH
TIME?
10:46:07AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
IT DOES.
10:46:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:46:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO, IF YOU WERE GOING TO EXPLAIN THE
REASON WHY A BID WAS AWARDED.
I HAVE MANY CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IS I ASK STAFF WHY YOU CHOSE
THIS BIDDER OVER ANOTHER AND THEY SAID WE LIKE THEM BETTER
AND GOOD FOR EAST TAMPA.
VERY VAGUE OPINION I WILL JUST ASK YOU, THERE MUST BE SOME
OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IN DECIDING WHICH FIRM AND IT WILL BE
GOOD TO KNOW WHAT THAT WAS.
THANK YOU.
10:46:47AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WILL LOOK FOR THAT CONTENT POINTER, THANK
YOU.
10:46:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF, MOVE ON TO 27.
10:46:54AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I DO IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
I WROTE A SEPARATE MEMO TO BREAK IT OUTS OF THE MASTER
MEMO ON SEPTEMBER 12.
THE REASON I DID THAT I WANT TO REITERATE THE WORK IN
PROGRESS AGAIN ON CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT ON -- BETWEEN THE
TRANSPAREN AND MOBILITY, THERE IS ALSO THE TIMELINESS.
I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT STAFF HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB OF
TRYING TO GET EITHER STAFF REPORTS AND THE AGENDA ITEMS IN
PRIOR TO THE WEEKEND, WORKING WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHO
DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB.
AND WE LOOK FOR IT AND BRIEFS LEADING UP INTO THE AGENDA
ITEM HOWEVER, THERE ARE CERTAIN UNIQUE THINGS, OF COURSE,
NOTED IN MY MEMO.
I TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES WE HAD OVER THE LAST 30 MONTHS
OF HAVING A BUSY CITY, A GROWING CITY, AND BEING CHALLENGED
BY THINGS LIKE THE PANDEMIC.
OF COURSE, THE STORM WE JUST HAD, ETC.
EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THERE WILL BE SOMETHING.
AND IT REALLY FALLS ON MY SHOULDERS.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT IF SOMETHING IS GETTING
COMPRESSED AGAINST THE DEAD LIEN, THAT I TRY TO MAKE A
BUSINESS DECISION TO MOVE THIS CITY FORWARD.
AND REALLY THE BURDEN IS KIND ON ME TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.
ONE COMMITMENT I MADE TO STAFF AND COUNCIL IS THAT WE ARE
GOING TO WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BACK-UP MATERIAL AND
EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE THE WEEK AHEAD OF THE COUNCIL
MEETING.
AND IF FOR SOME REASON SOMETHING HAS TO GO FORWARD AND
AMENDED.
WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AS A WALK-ON OR SOME INDEPENDENT
ACTION.
YOU SEE THE MEMO 18 MONTHS AGO AND THE MEMO I UPDATED FROM
MY OFFICE TO STAFF AND COUNCIL TO TRY TO MAKE SURE ALL THE
BACK-UP MATERIALS IN A TIMELY MANNER TO MAKE SURE THE
PRESENTATIONS ARE IN A TIMELY MANNER SO WE ALL HAVE THE BEST
DECISION SUPPORT GOING FORWARD.
SO, AGAIN, THE HOUSEKEEPING, QUALITY ASSURANCES, THE QUALITY
CONTROLS ARE TRYING TO BE FORTIFIED, AND IN PLACE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE WITH SOME OF THE AGENDA
ITEMS UNDER UNIQUE SCENARIOS AND I TRY TO ILLUSTRATE THAT.
SO ANY QUESTIONS.
10:49:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:49:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
APPEAR HANNA PROJECT.
THAT WILL BE DUE TO COME BACK WITH A FULL REPORT.
10:49:19AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WILL TALK ABOUT HANNA, IF THAT IS OKAY.
THE FOURTH THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON THE LIST.
THIS IS JUST THE GENERAL LIST THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO
UNDERSTAND WE LOOK INTERNALLY AND COUNCIL'S BENEFIT TO MAKE
SURE EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE PRIOR TO AGENDA WEEK, IF YOU
WILL.
10:49:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:49:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ONE THING IS WE TALKED ABOUT A SECOND AGO AND THE OTHER ITEM
IS THE -- IS THE SUMMARY, MAKING SURE ALL THE WORDS ARE IN
THERE AND ANY GUIDANCE THAT THE COUNCIL SET UP ARE FOLLOWED.
IF IT INVOLVES PURE, IT CAN'T BE LABELED AS SOMETHING ELSE.
NEEDS TO CLEARLY SAY PURE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A VISUAL RULE, BUT IF IT DEALS WITH A
NUMBER, THE NUMBER SHOULD BE IN THERE AND OTHER THINGS THAT
WE WANT TO PUT IN.
THERE IS THAT.
AND THIS ITEM IS MORE ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE BACK-UP.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK AND THE WEEK BEFORE, A LOT OF
BACK-UP THE LAST TIME.
AND THIS WAS JUST AFTER THE HURRICANE AND IT HAPPENS A LOT.
AND I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE -- INSTEAD OF READING --
SUPPOSED TO HAVE EVERYTHING.
AND INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO READ THE AGENDA OVER WEEKEND I
READ IT IN WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON SO MUCH CHANGES AND SO MUCH
GETS PUT IN THE LAST MINUTE.
NOT FAIR TO US, BUT IN PARTICULAR, NOT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC.
88 ITEMS OR 89 ITEMS TODAY, THE PUBLIC HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE
THAT AND THE BACK-UPS AND SUMMARIES ARE NOT SUFFICIENT
BECAUSE YOU NEED THE BACK-UP TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ITEM IS.
AND IN YOUR REVIEW, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU HAVE A HARD
STOP DATE TO SAY AFTER THIS POINT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT
ANYTHING IN.
ON THE WALK-ON, I HAVE SEEN -- I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO
EXAMPLES, BUT I HAVE SEEN BAD THINGS COME IN WITH WALK-INs.
I KNOW I AM VERY SUSPICIOUS OF THEM AND THE WALK-ONES.
I AM VERY SUSPICIOUS OF THEM AND THE PUBLIC IS ESPECIALLY
SUSPICIOUS OF THEM WITH BIG NUMBERS.
A HURRICANE AND YOU NEED TO SIGN A SPECIAL CONTRACT FOR A
VENDOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT IS ONE THING.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS CAUSE THE PUBLIC NOT TO TRUST
ADMINISTRATION.
WE SUPPORT IT, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST US.
I SUGGEST THAT WE NOT USE WALK-ONES AT ALL UNLESS WE
ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO AND EXPLAIN WHAT THE URGENCY IS AND BE AS
TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
10:51:55AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
FEEDBACK REAL QUICK ON THAT.
10:51:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD, CHIEF.
10:52:01AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WE HAVE A HARD DATE.
MEMOS ON THE TUESDAY THE WEEK BEFORE.
THE BACK-UP MATERIAL SETTLING LIKE YOU DISCUSSED.
PRESENTATIONS IN THE WEEK BEFORE TO COMPARE THE BACK-UP TO
IT THE PRESENTATIONS.
AND SO, OF COURSE, THE POWERPOINTS BUT WILL -- I AM NOT AN
EXCUSE MAKER.
THAT IS NOT MY NATURE.
THE VOLUME OF THE SKILL THAT THIS CITY, THE COUNCIL,
ADMINISTRATION AND ALL THE LEADERSHIP AND PUBLIC SUPPORT SR.
DOING THINGS EXPONENTIALLY UNDER UNIQUE CONDITIONS SO THOSE
WALK-ONES ARE ON ME.
THE MATERIAL AND THE TIMING AND SO YOU KNOW AGAIN, THAT WAS
PART OF THE MEMO WE TRY TO AVOID WALK-ONES AT ALL COST.
A HOUSING THING MAY COME UP OR SOMETHING THAT IS CRITICAL TO
THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD, BUT I WILL USE
MORE JUDGMENT OFTEN THAT TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE STANDARD
OF WHAT YOU ARE ASKING REALLY THAT FALLS ALL ON MY
SHOULDERS.
10:53:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:53:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE FOLLOW-UP.
YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY IS THE
PREEMPTIVE ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE OBVIOUS THAT THE
PUBLIC WILL ASK AND WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS IN
TAMPA, THANK GOODNESS WHICH IS DRIVING OUR ECONOMY.
AND CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS THAT BUSINESS OWNER ALSO HAVE.
EQUIVALENT TO HANNA STREET OR HANNA AVENUE.
WHERE YOU PUT $7.5 MILLION.
AND SO YOU CALL IT THE BUSINESS CASE.
ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TO DO ANTICIPATE THE BUSINESS CASE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS ON THE PERSPECTIVE FOR GOVERNMENT PROJECT
MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE ARE SOFTBALL QUESTIONS AND THE
ANSWERS AREN'T GIVEN.
AND THEN AFTER THE FACT, PEOPLE TELL ME THEY ARE THERE.
YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR TWO AGO, I ASKED THE WATER HE DEPARTMENT
WHAT IS YOUR OPERATING COST FOR YOUR LARGEST ASSETS OF THE
WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND EVERYBODY AROUND THE TABLE DIDN'T
KNOW THE ANSWER AND AFTERWARDS, SOMEBODY TOLD ME WE KNEW WE
DIDN'T WANT TO -- THAT KIND OF INFORMATION IS SOMETHING THAT
WOULD BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO BE ASKED.
YOU KNOW THE 30-YEAR COST OF A PLANT, THAT IS A REASONABLE
QUESTION THAT SOMEBODY WOULD ASK.
THE MORE YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THE BUSINESS CASE, THE
REASONABLE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ASK, PUT THOSE IN THERE
BECAUSE SHOWS WE ARE THOROUGH AND TRANSPARENT AND MAKES IT
EASIER FOR US TO SAY YES.
THANK YOU.
10:54:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU AND -- I AM SORRY.
10:54:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF.
10:54:49AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO EVERYBODY'S
QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS.
ONE THING THAT HELPS STAFF AND I TRY TO ALLUDE THAT IN THE
SAME MEMO AND OFFERING A CHANCE WHEN A MOTION IS MADE FOR
STAFF TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT CAPACITY TO GET IT DONE IN A
TIMELY MANNER AND MAKE SURE AT THIS TIMING OF THE MOTION IS
ACTIONABLE PART OF THE REASON WE HAVE SET UP.
START WITH COVID IN THAT CONFERENCE ROOM AND AFTER COVID OF
A VIRTUAL -- THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL OF THE SPECIAL BRIEFS
ON THE BIGGER ITEMS OR THE WEEKLY BRIEFING BEFORE HELPS US
FIVE THAT FEEDBOOK LOOP.
AND SOMETHING WE GET ON THOSE BRIEFS TELL US THAT WE NEED TO
PAUSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER.
THAT WILL BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HOPE AND I BELIEVE IT IS TRUE THAT STAFF
HAS IN ALL PORTFOLIOS HIGHLY RESPONSIVE TO THESE QUESTIONS.
WHETHER THEY ARE SEEN EARLY, MIDSTREAM OR RATES.
THOSE BRIEFS ARE REALLY A BIG ADVANTAGE TO US TO MAKE SURE
WE DO VERY WELL ON TEAM DAY LIKE TODAY THAT THE PUBLIC IS
HEARING EVERYTHING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL CAN TO DO SUPPORT THAT JOURNEY IS
APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU.
10:56:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:56:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
I GENERALLY LIKE TO SIT DOWN OVER THE WEEKEND AND READ
THROUGH NOT ONLY THE AGENDA BUT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION AND I
KEEP NOTES FOR QUESTIONS FOR MY -- FOR MY WEEKLY BRIEFING OR
MY STANDING MEETING.
AND MY STANDING MEETING IS TUESDAY.
THIS WEEK -- I OFTEN HAVE NOTES -- AND IT SAYS NO REPORT, NO
REPORT, NO REPORT.
IF YOU SAY YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE US A REPORT, I WANT TO READ
THE REPORT A AHEAD OF TIME.
I AM DOING THIS, AND DOING THAT.
IT COMES TO ME -- LIKE I REQUESTED DURING -- DURING MY
MEETING THIS WEEK THAT RFQs BE ADDED BECAUSE NUMBER FIVE,
THE DESIGN-BUILD.
WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION FOR OUR NORMAL PURCHASES SO I GOT
IT YESTERDAY AND IT IS THIS THICK.
I DID ANY BEST TO SCAN IT AND I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO READ IT
LIKE I WANTED TO.
MR. BAIRD WAS WONDERFUL AND HE SAID THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT
ADDING THESE IN THE FUTURE WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT THAT IS AN EXAMPLE.
AND OF COURSE THE LITTERING.
I HAVE GOTTEN FOUR E-MAILS OVER THE LAST OVERNIGHT ABOUT THE
VIDEO THAT WASN'T AVAILABLE.
THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WE NEED IT AHEAD OF TIME.
IF IT IS NOT IN TIME FOR OUR MEETING, WE -- MAYBE IT
SHOULDN'T BE ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S A FRUSTRATION ESPECIALLY WITH THINGS THAT I KNOW WILL
BE HOT BUTTON ISSUES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD KNOW ARE
HOT BUTTON ISSUES.
I KNOW IT IS ALWAYS A CONSTANT IMPROVEMENT, BUT I WILL
ABSOLUTELY SAY --
[INAUDIBLE]
-- SO IT DOESN'T GIVE US TIME, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T GIVE THE
PUBLIC TIME.
10:58:17AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
10:58:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO YOU NEED ANY ACTION TAKEN TODAY ON AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 27?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
IN IS WHY YOU ARE MOTION.
DOES THIS SATISFY YOUR MOTION.
10:58:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF, TALK OF 24.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24.
10:58:41AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CORRECT.
I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN CARLSON SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF
BRINGING THIS BACK.
AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION WILL HELP.
I THINK TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' POINT ABOUT HANNA.
I WANT TO CONJOIN WHAT I WILL SHOW BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY
WHAT STAFF HAS WORKED ON AND THE MAYOR HAS ENCOURAGED IN
THIS CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT PROCESS THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
JUST TALKED ABOUT IS MAKING SURE IT EVERYTHING IS IN THE --
IN THE SPACE WHEN WE COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
AND SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT KIND OF HOW WE ENTER THE
ADMINISTRATION AND ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT IS DONE.
AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO BUILD ON THAT.
I WILL THROW SOMETHING ON THE OVERHEAD.
IN THE SPIRIT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT JOURNEYS THAT ARE THOSE
BIGGER TICKET ITEMS THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKED ABOUT
AND COUNCILMAN GUDES TALKED ABOUT AS WELL AS COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
THERE WE GO.
SO PRIOR TO THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THE MIDYEAR HAPPENS OUT OF
THE CFO'S OFFICE AND ISN'T THAT RIGHT THAT PLANNING CYCLE,
MARCH, APRIL SPACE.
A LOT OF PLANNING DISCUSSIONS AND WORKSHOPS THAT ARE GOING
ON AND WE HAVE DONE WELL CREATE THE INCREASE OF THOSE AND
THE INFORMATION SHOWING ONE-OFF BRIEFS OR IN THE SUNSHINE IN
ROOM AND AGAIN ON THE AGENDA TO IMPROVE OUR RELATIONSHIP AND
WORKING MODEL WITH THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY GROUP WHICH
ANOTHER CHECKPOINT LEADING INTO THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TO
ADOPT THE BUDGET.
THE ADMINISTRATION WHEN THEY COMES FORWARD LIKE ON THE EAST
TAMPA REC CENTER, THAT IS THE ISOLATED SPECIFIC PRESENTATION
FOR THAT SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND NOW IN THE CONTRACT PHASE
AND KIND OF IN THE HISTORICAL RUN.
WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TALK WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN THE
WORKSHOPS.
AGAIN WITH ALL THE LISTENING SESSIONS AND I LIKE TO SIT
THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT AND HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WORKSHOPED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
WEEKS WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO CONSIDER A CONTINUANCE ON
ITEMS 24 AND 26.
AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY BUT GOING BACK TO
THIS GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT SIDE AND WE CAN PICK ANY PROJECT,
THERE WILL BE A CITY OWNER OF THAT PROJECT, AND TIED TO THE
ADDRESS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE EAST TAMPA CENTER OCEA WYNN THE
ADMINISTRATOR.
SHERISHA WILL BE THE OWNER OF THAT PROJECT, THE FACE OF THE
PROJECT.
BECAUSE IN THE END, IT IS A PARK.
BUT EQUALLY IMPORTANT IS WHERE THE CFO FITS IN FOR THE
FINANCING PART.
AND WHERE LEGAL FITS IN TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WITHIN THE
BOUNDARIES OF THE CODE, THE LAW AND ALL THE REGULATIONS.
THE REASON I CAUGHT IT THE GREAT EIGHT, THE THREE IN THE
PYRAMID.
AND YOU MOVE TO THE RIGHT OF THE GRAPHIC, THE ENHANCEMENTS
-- BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE HAVE BEEN MORE OF A REACTIONARY
PHASE.
AND WE BRING THESE FOLKS TO THE TABLE WHEN WE MAKE THE
BUSINESS CASE GO WITH THE RFP AND RFQ THROUGH THE PROJECT
MANAGEMENT PHASE.
THE SUPPORT NUMBER ONE IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HAS TO BE THREADED THROUGH THE ENTIRE
THING AND THEY HAVE REALLY GIVEN GREAT FEEDBACK OF HOW TO
BOLSTER THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN ALL THE THREE PHASES,
MAKING THE BUSINESS CASE, MAKING SURE THE PHASE GOES WELL,
AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT
MANAGEMENT AND THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT IS ON POINT FOR
PUBLIC AND, OF COURSE, FOR THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS.
THE DESIGN-BUILD AND WHAT WAS JUST SAID IN SOME PUBLIC
COMMENT A FEW MINUTES AGO IS ABOUT THE PLACEMAKER.
AND ADMINISTRATOR DUNCAN HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT.
NOT JUST FAIR OAKS BUT THE MOBILITY AROUND FAIR OAKS.
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AROUND FAIR OAKS.
I HAVE BEEN AT MEETINGS WITH NICOLE TRAVIS WHERE WE ARE
TALKING OF THE BIG PROJECTS AND WHAT IT WILL DO IN BOTH A
POSITIVE AND, OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME OTHER WAY IN THE
COMMUNITY.
AND NOT JUST THE DESIGN FOOTPRINT BUT WHAT DOES IT MAKE TO
PUT PLACE MAKING THROUGH IT.
AND THAT WILL BE THREADED THROUGH ALL THREE OF THE PHASES.
NEXT SOMETHING WE WILL SEE AND CELEBRATED WITH US, THE
PROJECT.
IT HAS BEEN A LOT OF GOOD FRONT END WORK OF READY, WILLING
AND ABLE OF BUSINESSES INVOLVED NOT ONLY AS SUBS BY AS
PRIMES.
THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW, BUT THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS IS
TO, AGAIN, HAVE ALL THESE FOLKS AT THE TABLE THROUGH ALL
THREE PHASES OF THE PROJECT.
FOURTH IS APPRENTICESHIPSHIP.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COUNCIL MAKE SURE WE HAVE CODE AND
ACCOUNTABILITY THAT ALL THE WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH
APPRENTICESHIP AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THREADED THROUGH
PROJECTS.
JUST DELIVERING THE PROJECT.
ONGOING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE CITY.
AND RESILIENCE IN EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE DO.
THE ONLY WAY WE WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A RESILIENT TAMPA
GOING FORWARD IS PROJECT BY PROJECT.
AROUND THE TABLE LONG BEFORE THE BUSINESS CASE IS MADE AND A
TOOLKIT THAT WE BOUGHT INTO THAT WITH THE ROI AND DOES IT IN
A FORMULAIC WAY BEFORE WE KNOW THE ROI BEFORE IT COMES TO
COUNCIL AND ALL OF THOSE DEEP QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED OVER
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND ENSURE THAT THESE GRADE A FOLKS
MOVE THROUGH THIS ENTIRE THING.
AS THE BUSINESS CASE IS MADE.
AS THE BUSINESS CASE IS PRESENTED.
AS THE CONTRACT IS PUT OUT TO BID.
AS THE IS ACCEPTED AND NEGOTIATED.
AND THE ENTIRE PROJECT MANAGEMENT PHASE.
WE THINK THAT THIS WILL SERVE THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT HI
TALK ABOUT CONSTANTLY AND WHY THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT TO
THEM.
OUR PERSONNEL AND HOW THAT IMPACTS OUR PERSONNEL SERVICING
THE PROJECT.
HOW IT WORKS WITH OUR PARTNERS BECAUSE THEY ARE INVOLVED IN
THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT WITH THE CITY AND, OF
COURSE, THE POLICYMAKERS WHICH ARE THE EIGHT ELECTED
OFFICIALS.
SO I FEEL THIS COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH IS TWO THINGS WHICH IS
WHERE MY ASK COMES IN.
AS FAR AS THE HANNA PROJECT GOES, WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S
SUPPORT ON THAT THROUGH WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED AND MY REQUEST OF COUNCIL IS TO
HAVE TWO-TIME-A-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
THE REASON I AM PICKING THESE.
ONE WILL BE FROM OCTOBER AND ONE WILL BE IN APRIL.
I WILL TELL YOU WHY.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS TYPICALLY NO WORKSHOPS ELIGIBLE IN
NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
THANKSGIVING AND THEN THE HOLIDAYS IN LATE DECEMBER.
SO OCTOBER IS TYPICALLY THE LAST OPPORTUNITY FOR A WORKSHOP.
IF WE ANCHOR OCTOBER AS THE FIRST POINT IN CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT UPDATES FOR COUNCIL.
AND THEN APRIL COMES RIGHT AFTER THE MIDYEAR WHICH IS MARCH
AND THIS DOES TWO THING.
AND SEE ALL OF THE METRICS ASSOCIATED AND THE QUALITY
CONTROL IN THESE EIGHT AIR GRASS AND ALSO A SPRINGBOARD FOR
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND
THAT GIVES A GREAT FEEDBACK LOOP BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION,
COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE BRING IT
FORWARD, WE ARE ALL SINGING OFF THE SAME SHEET MUSIC ABOUT
THESE CATEGORIES.
AND THEN SO THE REQUEST TODAY SPECIFICALLY THAT THE HANNA
UPDATE BE MOVED TO NEXT THURSDAY AND WHAT IS ALREADY
EXISTING FOR HANNA'S -- AND SOME OTHER THINGS AND GIVE A
CHANCE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO TALK THROUGH THIS
HOLISTICALLY.
THE SECOND THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP REGARDING THE $20
MILLION IN DOUBLE PUBLIC HEARING IS THE IDEA THAT IF WE GO
THROUGH THIS NEXT SIX MONTHS TOGETHER AND USE OCTOBER AS THE
ANCHOR POINT FOR UPDATES AND THEN COME BACK IN APRIL, I AM
NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THE MOTION OR STOP THE MOTION, BUT WE
THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PROJECTS OF 20 MILLION THAT
REQUIRE THIS LEVEL OF ENERGY.
SO THE METHODOLOGY TO HIT 20 MILLION, WHILE THAT IS KINDS OF
A RARE NUMBER TO HIT IN THE CITY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
PROJECT, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS $3 MILLION, $5
MILLION, $7 MILLION.
OUR REQUEST FOR COUNCIL WILL BE, LET'S TPD THAT MOTION IN
PLACE UNTIL THE APRIL WORKSHOP.
IF WE DON'T SATISFY THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE PUBLIC
INTERFACE ON ALL THESE AREAS WE TALK ABOUT, THEN WE CAN
REVISITED THE MOTION.
THOSE ARE THE TWO POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ON THE TWO
AGENDA ITEMS.
11:08:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:08:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION ON THE
WORKSHOPS.
I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
BUT I THINK IT IS -- LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL BUDGET WILL GIVE
THE PUBLIC A LONGER CHANCE TO REVIEW BUT I THINK EVEN ON
SMALL LAND USE ISSUES WE HAVE TO HEAR THEM TWICE.
AND SOMETIMES WE GET INFORMATION IN BETWEEN THE DISCUSSIONS
THAT IS VALUABLE TO THE SECOND HEARING.
ON -- ON HANNA AVENUE, WE APPROVED IT.
AND THEN EITHER THE TIME AFTER IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
SOMEONE CAME BEFORE US AND SAID IT DIDN'T HIT MBE GUIDELINES
AND DIDN'T HIT APPRENTICESHIP GUIDELINES AND WASN'T PUT OUT
FOR BID AND LED FOR LONGER DISCUSSIONS.
HAD WE HAD A SECOND HEARING WE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO ANSWER
THOSE QUESTIONS AND HAD TO DO WITH MEDIA AND OTHER KINDS OF
SCRUTINY.
I PICKED $20 MILLION AS AN ARBITRARY NUMBER.
BUT APRIL IS AFTER THE ELECTION.
AND I THINK WHEN WE PUT THINGS OUT TO THE ELECTION, THE
PUBLIC ASKS US A QUESTION WHY WE ARE PUTTING THINGS OUT TO
ELECTION.
THE OTHER THING IS A SIMPLE PROCESS.
MAKE YOU AND I CAN TALK AND LET'S TALK EARLY TO SEE IF WE
CAN GET A PROCESS.
11:09:31AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK OF THE SEQUENCE AND I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.
IF COUNCIL WANTED IT AHEAD OF THAT THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY
AND JANUARY PUT IT PAST MARCH AND RUNOFF IN MAY.
PUT IT PAST MARCH, PEOPLE WILL SAY ARE YOU TRYING TO NOT BE
TRANSPARENT.
WHEN DO YOU REMEDIES OR JANUARY.
11:09:57AM >> DURING THE PROCESS, A HOUSING UPDATE WHICH IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK A GOOD -- YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF COUNCIL IS WILLING
TO ACCOMMODATE MY REQUEST TO HAVE TWO ANCHOR POINTS AND
ADAPTING TO THE ELECTION CYCLE BY MOVING IT TO JANUARY, I
THINK WE CAN SHOW A GREAT EFFORT TOWARD UPDATING THIS
INFORMATION FROM THE BEGINNING IN JANUARY.
SO I -- I REQUESTED TO COME BACK IN JANUARY'S WORKSHOP.
11:10:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JANUARY WORKSHOP.
I DON'T SEE ONE TAMPA 26 -- OKAY.
SO I WILL MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 24 FILE NUMBER CM 22-7692 TO
THE WORKSHOP ON JANUARY 26.
11:10:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:10:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:10:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
THE JANUARY 26 WORKSHOP.
IS IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THEN -- NOT ONLY THIS ITEM BUT THE
PROCESS.
HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO FRAME FOR -- FOR THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
I THINK YOUR DISCUSSION --
11:11:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A SEPARATE.
I AM JUST ASKING TO MOVE ITEM 24.
11:11:05AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I THINK MY REQUEST WHICH I APPRECIATE THE
COMMENDATION -- IS KEEP THE MOTION INTACT, AND OUR
CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WILL ENGULF THAT IN A
DIFFERENT MANNER AS WE GO FORWARD.
AS WE GIVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT UPDATE, COUNCIL WILL
DECIDE TO KEEP THE THRESHOLD AS A GOOD JUMPING OFF POINT.
11:11:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID I GET A SECOND?
11:11:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY POINT IN RAISING THIS THAT MR. ROGERO IS
HERE AND MR. MASSEY IS ALSO HERE.
THE CONCEPT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THE
DISCUSSION CAME UP AT THE BUDGET AND FINANCE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN
ALSO TAKES PLACE DURING THE YEAR AND CHANGES BETWEEN ONE
FIVE-YEAR PLAN DEPENDING ON THE ECONOMY AND THE SITUATION
AND THE FOLLOWING.
AND I THINK FOR EDIFICATION WITH REGARDS TO HAVING IT IN
APRIL.
AND I DON'T THINK -- AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT IS WHAT IS
GOING TO BE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN
AND EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE OR ECONOMY AND WHAT
CONSTRUCTION COST WILL FORWARD CHANGES IN THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PLAN WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTS IT.
11:12:33AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I AM NOT SUGGESTING TO UNDO APRIL, BUT THAT
WE WILL DO ONE IN JANUARY TO MEET THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL TO
BE AHEAD OF THE ELECTION CYCLE.
11:12:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY MOTION -- MY MOTION IS ONLY FOR 24.
IF WE NEED TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION ON THAT.
I AM HAPPY TO.
11:12:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
DO WE WANT A ROLL CALL WITH THAT.
ANY OPPOSED.
11:13:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE ONE MORE.
11:13:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:13:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ITEM NUMBER 26.
11:13:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY, DOES -- DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR MOTION
ON ITEM 24?
11:13:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BENNETT NEEDS A SEPARATE
MOTION ON HIS ITEM.
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
11:13:28AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
AS WE GET TO 26, MY MOTION REQUEST WOULD BE
TO MOVE IT TO OCTOBER 27 AND MATCH UP THE MOTIONS AT THE
WORKSHOP.
11:13:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A COMMENT WITH THE WHOLE DISCUSSION YOU
JUST HAD.
11:13:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT I REPEATED ON HANNA PROJECT AND
FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
I THINK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN CITRO SAID WHY
DON'T YOU GET OUTSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR LAWSUIT AND THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT THE CITY
AND THE TAXPAYER MONEY.
BUT I ASKED MY ATTORNEYS HOW DO WE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS
ABOUT THINGS LIKE HANNA AVENUE.
I AM ASKED ABOUT HANNA AVENUE ALMOST EVERY DAY.
I HEAR FROM EAST TAMPA THEY DON'T WANT IT.
THEY DON'T SEE A BENEFIT.
I HEAR FROM SOUTH TAMPA, THAT THEY THINK THE PROCESS WAS NOT
FAIR.
THE CITY ATTORNEY CAME UP WITH A CCNA REVIEW THAT SAID IT
WAS HANDLED CORRECTLY, BUT WE -- I AM JUST GOING TO GIVE A
SUGGESTION.
AND NOT MAKE A MOTION.
WE NEED TO GET FROM UNDERNEATH THE CLOUD OF THIS.
SEVERAL WAYS WE CAN DO IT.
ONE THAT HAS BEEN HANDLED IN THE PAST THAT THE CITY EASTERN
TO HIRES AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO REVIEW.
BUT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST IT, BECAUSE SOMEBODY TOO CLOSE
TO THE CITY.
ANOTHER WAY IS TO GET A JUDGE TO REVIEW IT.
BUT TO GET A JUDGE, WE WOULD HAVE TO FILE A LAWSUIT AND THAT
WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
THE THIRD OPTION THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL GIVES OPINIONS ON ISSUES LIKE THIS.
I CANNOT AS AN INDIVIDUAL ASK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR AN
OPINION.
THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ASK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR AN OPINION
OR THE ADMINISTRATION CAN ASK A ATTORNEY GENERAL.
BUT OST JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY AND CONFIDENCE OF THE PUBLIC,
IF THE VIEWS OF THE IF THE VIEWS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY ARE
CORRECT, THEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL COME BACK AFTER A
REVIEW AND SAY, YES, WE AGREE WITH THE CCNA PROCESS AND I
CAN -- ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICIZE IT AND SAY, YES,
EVEN FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO IS SEPARATE IN TALLAHASSEE
NOT FROM HERE REVIEWED IT AND SHE SAYS IT IS FINE.
IF SHE SAYS IT IS NOT FINE, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE
FINDS ARE.
SEEMS LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS VERY CONFIDENT THAT IT IS
BUT JUST RECOMMEND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION PROACTIVELY LOOK
AT THAT AS THE OFFICIAL REVIEW TO GET FROM UNDERNEATH THE
CLOUD.
THANK YOU.
11:16:03AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
UNDERSTOOD.
MY FEEDBACK IT TWO PARTS.
MY GRAPHIC -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BRING IT UP ON THE
OVERHEAD.
IMPORTANT TO GET THE GRADE A AROUND THE TABLE FOR ALL THREE
PHASES.
SOLIDIFY THE BUSINESS CASE IN THE ROI.
TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT IS UP THERE IN THE HOLISTIC
MANNER AS WE GO TO CONTRACT AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
SECOND PART OF MY COMMENT IS TO ADDRESS THAT.
I APPRECIATE MOVING THIS TO POTENTIALLY TO NEXT THURSDAY'S
DISCUSSION TO HAVE A HOLISTIC WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ABOUT A
MAJOR PROJECT.
BUT APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK AS WELL.
11:16:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GETTING BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 24, ARE YOU
REQUESTING THAT THIS COUNCIL STILL MAKE MOTION TO HAVE TWO
MEETINGS A YEAR, ONE IN OCTOBER AND NOW ONE IN FEBRUARY?
11:16:57AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT -- AS IT SITS, IT HAS
BEEN CONTINUED TO JANUARY WHERE WE WILL GIVE OUR FIRST
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT UPDATE TO SHOW THAT WHETHER WE NEED A
METHODOLOGY, KEEP THE METHODOLOGY OR ALL BAKED INTO THE
PROCESS WHICH IS MY RECOMMENDATION AND HOPE IS THAT IT WILL
SATISFY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT AND ANOTHER STANDARD.
SING IT STAYS AS IT IS AND ADDRESS THAT IN JANUARY.
WE WANT TO HAVE SETTLE ON OCTOBER AND APRIL, SIX-MONTH SEMI
ANNUAL CIP UPDATE AND ALSO I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE
CONVERSATIONS DURING THE BRIEFS THAT SAY THINGS COME UP
DURING THAT SIX-MONTH PERIOD FROM CONSTITUENTS.
IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO GET IT INTO THE WORKSHOP.
WE CAN EITHER HAVE A MEETING WITH THE SPECIAL INTEREST
GROUP, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, OR IF THE MOTION CAN BE HANDLED
BASICALLY IN ISOLATION, WE CAN HANDLE THE MOTION.
WE GET THE CIP ANCHOR POINTS DOWN, IT WILL SMOOTH OUT
EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING.
11:18:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR
MOTION.
11:18:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVING 24.
THE ONLY QUESTION THOUGH, YOU ASKED FOR THESE TWO MEETINGS.
DO WE NEED --
11:18:15AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
MOTION FOR A CIP UPDATE IN JANUARY.
11:18:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL MOVE TO -- SEPARATE FROM 24, BUT --
11:18:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SEPARATE MOTION?
11:18:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEPARATE MOTION.
11:18:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS WHERE HE WAS I WAS GOING.
11:18:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU WANT TO HELP ME WITH A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO ADD TWO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS UPDATES WITH
THE ADMINISTRATION TWICE A YEAR JANUARY --
11:18:47AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JANUARY 26 AND WHATEVER THE WORKSHOP IN
APRIL.
IF IT EXISTS ALREADY.
11:18:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JANUARY 6 AND THE WORKSHOP IN APRIL.
11:18:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
APRIL 27.
THANK YOU.
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
11:19:03AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
LASTLY JUST A FORMATION TO TAKE HANNA AND
MOVE IT TO THE WORKSHOP NEXT THURSDAY.
11:19:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
11:19:19AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOING BACK TO THE REPORT MATRIX.
THE NEXT BUNDLE WILL COME FROM THE CFO ON ITEM --
11:19:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES WANTED TO
TALK OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 BECAUSE HE HAS A SPEAKER TO
SPEAK TO THAT ALSO.
11:19:58AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
OH, YEAH, THAT IS FINE.
11:20:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:20:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. BENNETT, ONE MORE QUESTION.
YOU DID THIS MATRIX -- DO IT HOWEVER YOU THINK IS BEST, BUT
I THINK IT IS EASIER IF YOU WENT AND CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE
AGENDA IF THAT IS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE -- SO WHEN WE COME
BACK IN WE DON'T HAVE TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH TO THE MATRIX.
WE CAN DESIGN IT WHATEVER FORMAT.
PUT THE OWNER NEXT TO IT.
BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CHART, BUT ORGANIZE THE AGENDA.
11:20:34AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WE AGREE AND WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
MR. SHELBY AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE MEETING.
THIS WAS A LAST-MINUTE RESPONSE AFTER AGENDA REVIEW.
I STAYED LATE AND SAID LET'S HELP WITH 26 STAFF REPORTS.
11:20:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:20:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ENCOURAGED FOR OUR BENEFIT AND ALSO THE
PUBLIC IF YOU ARE GOING TO GROUP THEM THAT WAY PUT THEM
UNDER THE HEADING OF WHICH DEPARTMENT THEY MIGHT GO FOR AND
FOLKS WILL EASILY SEE -- OH, EVEN ME, I AM TRYING TO LEARN
WHAT GOES UNDER WHAT AND I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL FOR
THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU.
11:21:11AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
OUR GOAL IS GET THE AGENDA ALIGNED TO WE
DON'T NEED THE MATRIX.
11:21:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THIS WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE CHAIR'S
REVIEW.
CHIEF SAID LET ME TRY THIS OUT.
NOTHING SET IN STONE, BUT THE CHIEF SAID HEY, THIS GREAT
CONCEPT AND FOSTER THEM TOGETHER MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAVE TIME.
11:21:30AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ON THE RECORD, I DON'T KNOW IT WAS GREAT.
BUT JUST AN IDEA TO HELP US GET THROUGH THE MORNING.
SO ITEM NUMBER 4, I BELIEVE.
11:21:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM NUMBER 4.
WHICH.
11:21:43AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
STILL REQUESTED FOR A CONTINUANCE.
11:21:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BUT COUNCILMAN GUDES WANTS TO HAVE A
DISCUSSION.
11:21:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, DIANE HART, 2912 NORTH 26th STREET.
THIS IS MY HOUSING DIRECTOR, MISS VIRGIL.
GIVE YOUR ADDRESS.
11:22:05AM >> EAST 32nd AVENUE.
11:22:07AM >> I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON THIS
ITEM THIS MORNING.
I THINK WE NEED TO BRING SOME CLARITY, BECAUSE EVERYBODY
SEES EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC.
THEY AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE THAT EVERY DIME THAT COMES INTO
EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC IS SPENT IN EAST TAMPA.
SO I WANT PEOPLE UNDER STAND THAT WE ARE RUNNING A CITYWIDE
PROGRAM AND I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS SO YOU CAN
SEE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN SPENT INSIDE OF
OUR CRA.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT CITY MEANS THE
ENTIRE CITY AND THOSE ARE THE DOLLARS THAT I RECEIVED.
NOT ONLY TO DO WORK IN EAST TAMPA AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY, I
REQUESTED -- FROM MISS HOWELL THAT PROVIDED IT FROM THE
COUNTY, SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER DONE AND THOSE DOLLARS WERE
ONLY SPENT IN THE CRA AREA.
THERE ARE OVER 200,000 HOMES IN EAST TAMPA.
WHEN PEOPLE THINK NOTHING IS BEING DONE IN EAST TAMPA.
TODAY I WANTED TO BRING YOU ALL THE NUMBERS SO YOU CAN SEE
EXACTLY HOW MANY RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN TOUCHED.
HOW MANY PEOPLE STEPPED AWAY AND CHANGED THEIR MINDS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE HOUSES WERE OVER THE LIMIT AND WE COULD NOT
TOUCH THOSE RESIDENTS.
SO THAT IS THE REASON I ASK -- I HOPE YOU ALL GOT THE
SPREADSHEET SHOWING YOU ALL THE HOUSES AND THE DOLLARS THAT
HAVE BEEN SPENT BY EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS.
SO LET ME START WITH THIS.
39 WERE COMPLETED IN THE CRA.
FROM 2018 TOO CURRENT.
111 HAVE BEEN COMPLETED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
THOSE ARE REHABS.
THAT IS USING APPROXIMATELY $3.6 MILLION.
$1.5 MILLION OF THOSE DOLLARS WERE SPENT IN JUST EAST TAMPA.
AND I KNOW WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, THEY THINK IT IS NOT, BUT
WE HAVE ALL THE NAMES, THE ADDRESSES, PEOPLE WHO WILL BE
ABLE TO SEE WHAT HOUSE HAVE BEEN TOUCHED.
WE CAN PROVIDES YOU EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT ON EACH
ONE OF THE HOUSES.
BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
THE MAGNITUDE OF THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT NEED MONEY.
THERE IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR CITY HONESTLY OR
ENOUGH IS NOT BEING PROVIDED.
LET'S SAY THAT TO REPAIR ALL OF THE HOUSES THAT NEED OVER IN
THE EAST TAMPA ONLY.
SO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE ARE USING CITY MONEY, I CAN'T
JUST SPEND ALL OF THE MONEY IN EAST TAMPA.
BECAUSE I KNOW THE NEED; HOWEVER, OUR ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN
CHOSEN TO SPEND THESE DOLLARS THROUGHOUT YOUR ENTIRE CITY.
AND IT IS NOTHING WHEN YOU CONSIDER WE ARE PUTTING $50,000
INTO EACH HOME TO TRY TO MAKE THAT -- BRING THAT HOUSE UP TO
CODE.
AND THAT HAS BEEN A MAJOR PROBLEM.
SOME IF YOU LOOK AT THE SHEET, YOU WILL SEE THAT 19
HOMEOWNERS CANCELLED APPLICATIONS.
AND SOME OF THOSE EXCEEDED THE LIMIT.
THOSE WERE OUTSIDE OF EAST TAMPA.
AND THEN 810 WERE INSIDE OF EAST TAMPA.
EIGHT CANCELLED AND DECIDED THEY DID NOT WANT TO MOVE
FORWARD.
EXCEEDED THE $50,000 LIMIT.
SO THAT WAS 39 PLUS THESE 10 WHICH REALLY WOULD HAVE GIVEN
US 49 IN TAMPA BUT YOU ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT SOMETIMES
WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE THERE IS A LIEN.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT LIEN, WE USED TO DIDN'T HAVE IT.
AS SOON AS WE WOULD REHAB A HOUSE, THEY WOULD SELL THE HOME.
SO THE CITY CAME UP WITH A PROGRAM AND SAID WE MUST HAVE
A LIEN.
SO MANY PEOPLE SAY, NO, HOW CAN I LEAVE IT TO MY CHILD IF
THERE IS A LIEN ON IT.
SO THEY WILL BALK AWAY FROM THAT PROGRAM RATHER THAN HAVE
THAT LIEN ON THE HOUSE.
SOMETIMES THEY ARE WALKING AWAY AND LEAVING IT.
WE UNDERSTAND IT.
SO THE OTHER ADDRESS IS.
I KEEP BEING TOLD THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO MY OFFICE AND WE
ARE TURNING THEM AWAY.
UNDERSTAND, EAST TAMPA DOES NOT TAKE APPLICATIONS.
ALL APPLICATIONS ARE MADE THROUGH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THEY GO OVER TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
THAT IS WHERE ALL APPLICATIONS COME FROM.
ALL IS A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE
HOUSING DEPARTMENT THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR REPAIRS.
WE HAVE NO PART IN CHOOSING ANY HOUSES TO BE REHABBED.
WE NEVER HAVE.
WELL MAYBE IN THE '90S WE DID, BUT THAT HAS LONG BEEN GONE.
EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THE CITY.
AND I KNOW MANY PEOPLE THINK IT IS US THAT ARE TURNING THEM
DOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I CAME TODAY BECAUSE I NEED TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROGRAM REALLY WORKS.
WE ACTUALLY -- WHEN THE CITY SENDS ME THE LIST FROM THE
HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO A BID FOR THEIR PARTICULAR ADDRESS, WE
HAVE APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY CONTRACTORS WORKING IN THE
PROGRAM.
11:27:32AM >> TEN.
11:27:32AM >> TEN CONTRACTORS WORKING THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
WE GO TO THE HOUSE AND PREPARE A SCOPE WHAT WE BELIEVE -- MY
STAFF AND A CONTRACTOR ON OUR STAFF WITH US, THEY GO TO THE
HOUSE TO TRY TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WORK NEEDS TO DONE BE.
AFTER WE DO THAT, WE PUT TOGETHER A SCOPE OF WORK.
ONCE THAT SCOPE IS PUT TO THE TEST AND WE ARE READY TO GO
BACK TO THAT HOMEOWNER HOME, WE TAKE ALL TEN OF THOSE
CONTRACTORS.
AND AT THAT TIME, WE ASK THEM.
WHAT HAVE WE MISSED.
BECAUSE IF WE MISS SOMETHING, WE WANT TO ADD IT THEN AND
THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
ADD WHATEVER WE MISS.
MOST OF THE TIME WE HAVE NOT MISSED ANYTHING.
REMEMBER ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, ROOFS AND AC UNITS ARE THE
ONLY THING THAT YOUR CITY DOLLARS CARE FOR.
CANNOT PAINT THE OUTSIDE.
YOU CAN NOT CLEAN UP THE OUTSIDE.
AND WE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING BUT THOSE FOUR MAJOR COMPONENTS.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER.
ONCE A CONTRACTOR BIDS, WE DECENT NECESSARILY TAKE THE
LOWEST BID BUT THAT IS THE BID WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
WE KNOW IF YOU WERE NOT WITHIN 15%, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO
COMPLETE THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE DON'T ASK YOU TO TRY TO COME IN AT THE BARE MINIMUM.
WE KNOW THAT EVERYBODY HAS GOT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE
PROJECT.
WE GET THAT.
SO WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BEAT DOWN OUR CONTRACTORS, BUT WHAT
WE DO AND THEY WILL TELL YOU I AM VERY DIFFICULT ON CHANGE
ORDERS.
I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BID FAIRLY SO IS YOU DON'T KEEP COME
PACK TO ME FOR THE CHANGE ORDER.
IF YOU PULL OFF THE ROOF AND ALL THE WOOD IS BAD.
WE HAVE 1,000 EXTRA FROM THE BEGINNING ON WOOD.
OR IN A WALL AND WORSE THAN WE ANTICIPATE, DON'T SEE INSIDE
OUR OLDER HOMES.
THEN I WILL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A CHANGE ORDER.
CONTRACTORS PART OF THE PROGRAM.
ARE THEY COMPLAINING, SURE HER.
I AM NOT GIVING YOU CART BLANCHE TO BRING ME BACK CHANGE
ORDERS.
YOU KNOW AS A CONTRACTOR BASED ON YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, YEARS
OF A EXPERIENCE PERIODS, IT WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT JOB AND
THAT'S WHERE I EXPECT YOU TO COME IN.
LESS THAN 15%, YOUR BID IS NO GOOD.
OVER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WHICH IS $50,000 PER HOME AND
EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE IS $50,000 YOUR BY IS TOSSED OUT.
TO SOME PEOPLE NOT LIKE OUR BID PROCESS.
SURE.
I HAVE TO BID BECAUSE I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WHOEVER GETS
THAT WILL HAVE CHANGE ORDERS.
WHAT ELSE?
11:30:17AM >> THAT'S IT.
11:30:18AM >> SO TOTAL REHABS IN THE CRA AREA, THE TOTAL NUMBER SINCE
2018 HAS BEEN 55.
OUT OF MY 111.
SO -- YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND, WE ARE WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
AND YOU CANNOT COME TO ME AND EXPECT ME TO PUT MONEY
INTO CRA IF THEIR APPLICATIONS WERE NOT IN LINE AND WE GO
FIRST-COME, FIRST-SERVE BASE ON THE LIST THAT YOUR CITY
PROVIDES ME.
I DO NOTHING TO APPROVE THEM OR DENY THEM.
AND I KEEP BEING TOLD I AM DENYING MY SENIORS.
NOT TRUE.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND -- WE HAD A COMPLAINT OF A HOME
ON CARACAS.
UNDERSTAND THAT EAST TAMPA AND CIVIC DID NOT TOUCH THE
HOUSE.
ME WITH MY WANT TO BE INTO IS TO EVERYBODY WENT OVER TO BE A
MEDIATOR OF THE PROPERTY BETWEEN A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER AND A
CONTRACTOR.
PEOPLE THOUGHT WE HAD A PART IN IT.
NOTHING.
WE DO NO NEW CONSTRUCTION OR OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR
PROXIMATE.
SO JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOU ALL TO ASK ME
QUESTIONS AND BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS WORKING.
11:31:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:31:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL DEFER FOR MR. MIRANDA FIRST.
11:31:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
IT IS VERY THOROUGH AND CORRECT.
YOU ARE RIGHT IN MOST INSTANCE WHEN YOU SAY SOMETIMES THE
LOWEST BID IS NOT THE BEST BID.
THREE BIDS AND THE LAST BIDS ARE WITHIN 4 AND 5% AND BETWEEN
FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD IS 25%.
GOT A PROBLEM.
THEY MAY FINISH IT BUT NOT WITH THE SAME MATERIAL.
11:32:02AM >> RIGHT.
11:32:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THINGS AND AN EYE
IN THE SKY.
YOU HAVE TO TRUST AND VERIFY.
SO WHEN I SEE THESE THINGS GOING ON AND I SEE THAT YOU ARE
SPENDING THE MONEY.
TALK TO US ABOUT THE LIEN SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE LIEN
COULD GO AWAY WITH CERTAIN THING.
11:32:27AM >> YES, SIR, I WILL.
THE LIEN IS BASED ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, DEFENDING ON THE
AMOUNT WE SPEND ON.THE HOUSE.
I THINK IT IS $10,000.
HOW MANY YEARS --
11:32:37AM >> 14,999 ONLY FIVE YEARS AND ANYTHING OVER THAN THAT ARE
TEN YEARS.
11:32:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE PUBLIC UNDER STANDS THAT THE LIEN FOR
NOT 30 YEARS BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE AND NOT LIVE FOR 400
YEARS.
11:32:53AM >> I WILL LIKE TO ASK YOU FOR DOLLARS SO PEOPLE WITH THE
TRUST PROBLEM ON THEIR HOMES, EVERYBODY DIED.
ONE PERSON IS LEFT.
STILL NOT IN YOUR NAME.
TO BE ABLE TO DO SUIT TO QUIET TITLE.
THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN HELP PEOPLE WITH, BECAUSE MANY TIMES
WE HAVE TO WALK AWAY.
CITY NOT TELL YOU WE BUY YOUR INSURANCE IF YOU DON'T HAVE
ANY.
WE CAN DO THAT BY VERIFYING TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY, I AM
PUTTING ROOF ON.
AND THEY WILL ACCEPT OUR WORD FOR IT.
THEN WITHIN A 30-DAY WINDOW, I HAVE TO SHOW THEM PROOF THAT
I PUT THAT ROOF ON IT.
BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE HOMEOWNER INSURANCE.
AND THAT USED TO BE ONE OF THE -- NO INSURANCE, WE COULD NOT
DO IT.
BUT NOW WE BUY FIRST YEAR.
BUT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AFTER THAT.
11:33:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAY I CONTINUE ONE MORE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:33:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, PLEASE.
11:33:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU FOR EXPLANATION OF THE
INSURANCE.
TODAY NOT ONLY THE PURCHASE THE HOUSE BUT GET IT WHEN YOU
LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
INSURANCE IS VERY HIGH.
YOU LIVE CLOSER TO THE WATER, BUY ANOTHER INSURANCE.
FORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE AREA WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT TODAY, BUT THING THAT HOMEOWNER HAVE TO UNDERSTAND,
INSURANCE AND REPAIRS EVEN WHEN YOU REPAIR SOMETHING, YOU
TONIGHT KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.
AND HOMEOWNERSHIP IS VERY HARD TO ATTAIN NOT ONLY FOR, THE
INTEREST RATES AT 7% FOR HOMEOWNERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
A VERY DIFFICULT THING.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WILL WORK IT OUT BUT ALL OF US
TOGETHER OR THE SHIP WILL SINK.
11:34:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:34:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I ALWAYS WANT TO HEAR FROM THE HORSE.
BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ASSUME THINGS AND DON'T
UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
I AM GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO COME.
TO GIVE YOU TIME TO REVIEW ON TV SO WE CAN REVIEW THE FILM
WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
EVEN TO RIGHT NOW SOME OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING WITH
REHAB IS NOT THERE.
I AM QUESTIONING WHY IS IT NOT THERE.
IF I WILL DO A REHAB OF A COMMUNITY.
SEE A BRAND-NEW HOUSE BUILT ON THE STREET AND A RAGGEDY
HOUSE AND GOING THROUGH A PROGRAMS AND I WANT TO FIX A ROOF,
WHY DON'T I HAVE SOME KIND OF PAINTING IN THERE BECAUSE IT
IS STILL MAKING THE COMMUNITY PLIGHT.
LOOKING AT CRA.
IF I HAVE A CRA REHAB PROGRAM, THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE
INCLUDED IN THE REHAB PROGRAM.
THOSE DOLLARS CAN BE UTILIZED HOWEVER WE WANT.
SOME FEDERAL DOLLARS WE ARE USING AS FAR AS THE CITY
PROGRAM.
A DIFFERENT PROGRAM.
I AM LOOKING AT AT CRA DOLLARS, REHAB PROGRAM THAT IS
COMPLETE.
I HEAR THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THE TITLE SITUATION.
I LEARNED THAT RECENTLY.
A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE HER FATHER DIED.
COULD NOT GET THE LIGHT BILL CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE TITLE OF
THE HOUSE.
THAT IS WHY WE TALK ABOUT OUR DEPTH LOOKING AT PROBATING
THESE ISSUES.
THAT IS HAPPENING SOMETIMES.
PEOPLE CAN'T GET LOANS AND CAN'T DO THINGS WHEN PARENTS DIE
OR RELATIVES TO DIE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROGRAM IN THIS CITY SOMETHING TO BE
GEARED TO THAT.
I AM GLAD YOU TALKED OF THAT PROCESS AS WELL AND PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR PROGRAM IS NOT JUST FOR EAST TAMPA.
YOU HAVE A NAME TAG OF EAST TAMPA AND CIRCULATE THE WHOLE
CITY.
AGAIN, YOU DON'T GENERATE THE LIST APPARENTLY.
WE GENERATE THE LIST WHICH I DID NOT KNOW THAT HOW THAT
WORKS.
THEY DON'T COME TO YOU FOR AN APPLICATION.
WE GET THE APPLICATION.
SO I THINKING NOW THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW HOW TO WORK.
TO ME SENIORS ARE PRIORITY BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM CAN'T DO --
MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE A GENERATED LIST OR SPECIALIST.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LEGALLY WE CAN DO THAT AND I HEAR ALL THE
TIME SENIOR WHO CAN'T WORK ANYMORE ARE FALLING AND CRUMBLING
DOWN TO THE GROUND.
LOOK WITH OUR CRA AND THE CITY PROGRAM HOW DO WE HELP OUT A
CERTAIN CATEGORY OF -- OF PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP THE FASTEST.
BECAUSE IF YOU WERE ELDERLY, YOU CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T DO IT.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY GETTING TAKEN BECAUSE COULDN'T FIND
SOME -- MR. MIRANDA AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE THINGS BEFORE
IT COLLAPSES ON THEM.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:37:02AM >> LET ME SAY THE ONE THING WE RUN INTO WITH A LOT OF OUR
SENIORS.
IF IT IS A HUSBAND WIFE.
THE HUSBAND DIED AND THE WIFE DIED AND THE HOUSE WAS ONLY IN
THEIR NAME.
AT THIS POINT, NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM.
11:37:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE OLD TIME TRADITIONAL WAY OF LIVING BACK
IN THOSE DAYS.
11:37:22AM >> NO WAY TO HELP THEM WITH A HOUSE IN ONE PERSON'S NAME.
YOU CAN'T GO I HAVE IT IN A PERSON WHO IS LIVING, THEIR
NAME.
WHICH HAVE A LADY -- RIGHT OUTSIDE OF CRA ON ROBLES STREET.
AND HER HOUSE IS DEPLORABLE, BUT WE CAN NOT HELP HER.
11:37:41AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S WHY I ASKED OF PROBATE AND THESE
TYPE OF TITLE ISSUES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HELP OUR AGING
POPULATION.
SAME THING WITH MY PARENTS.
MY DAD'S NAME HAS EVERYTHING ON IT.
I CHANGE IT OVER TO MY MOTHER'S NAME AND MY NAME AND
BROTHERS AND SISTERS SO YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAN KEEP
IT MOVING.
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS.
YOU GAVE A LOT OF INSIGHT TO A LOT OF THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW
MYSELF ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
YOU DON'T RUN IT.
IT IS RUN BY THE CITY.
THE CITY GIVES YOU NAMES.
YOU GOT TEN BIDDERS AND GO AND MOVE ON THE PROJECT AND MOVE
FORWARD.
I APPRECIATE THE CHAIRMAN TO GET THE TIME IN AND EXPLAIN TO
THE PUBLIC BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU COME UNDER SCRUTINY.
AND WEARING DIFFERENT HATS.
I WANT THEM TO UNDER STAND WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
SO IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, THEY CAN CONTACT THE CITY FOR
CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND FOR YOU FOR CERTAIN.
YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:38:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:38:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU TO REPRESENTATIVE HART AND WHAT
YOU ARE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY.
MISS TRAVIS IS NOT HERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND SHE HAD QUESTIONS
FROM THE PUBLIC AND SHE WANTED TO CONTINUE IT SO THE
QUESTIONS TO THE PUBLIC COULD GET ANSWERED.
I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW THE DATE WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE IT TO, BUT I SUGGEST THAT WE ASK REPRESENTATIVE
HART TO COME BACK WITH THE -- WITH THE QUESTIONS HAVING BEEN
ASKED IN PRIVATE, THEN CAN ANSWERED IN PUBLIC SO WE CAN HAVE
-- MAKE SURE WE HAVE --
11:39:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ABBYE RUNS THE PROGRAM.
APOLOGIZE, SIR.
11:39:18AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY,.DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT.
I ASK THAT WE CONTINUE IT TO NOVEMBER 3.
I THINK THAT WILL GIVE US ADEQUATE TIME TO MAKE THOSE
CONNECTIONS AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME IN
FROM THE PUBLIC.
11:39:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO MOVED.
11:39:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:39:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME.
REPRESENT HART.
REPRESENT HART --
11:39:46AM >> I AM DIANE HART TODAY.
STRICTLY THE --
11:39:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU ARE ASKING FOR HELP WITH CITY DOLLARS,
CORRECT?
11:39:53AM >> YES, SIR.
11:39:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU ASKING FOR CRA DOLLARS.
11:39:56AM >> I CANNOT ASK YOU FOR CRA DOLLARS.
IT IS A COMBINATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL WOULD FUND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
11:40:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE REASON WHY I AM ASKING THIS.
AND SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME IF YOU WANT TO.
CRA DOLLARS HAVE TO BE SPENT WITHIN THE CRA.
NOT OUTSIDE OF THE CRA.
I THINK WE ARE MENTIONING SOME HOUSES OUTSIDE THE CRA THAT
NEEDED REHABBING.
WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING.
11:40:24AM >> LET ME CLEAR THAT UP, EVERY DIME THAT COMES OUT OF
THE CRA.
I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO FORMED THE EAST TAMPA CRA MUST
BE SPENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE OTHER DOLLARS GET TO BE SPENT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
11:40:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WHO ARE
LISTENING TO THAT LISTEN TO OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ALL THE
TIME AND OUR CRA BOARD MEETINGS.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:40:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU,
REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT THOROUGH EXPLANATION.
YOU OFFERED A LOT OF CLARITY AND WE LOOK FORWARD FOR WORKING
WITH YOU TO BRING MUCH-NEEDED HELP TO EAST TAMPA AND THE
CITY AS A WHOLE.
THANK YOU.
11:41:07AM >> THANK YOU.
11:41:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON
-- DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:41:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SECONDED IT.
11:41:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I NEED A MOTION.
11:41:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION.
11:41:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
11:41:24AM >> CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING.
MANY YEARS AGO -- COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS.
WHEN PEOPLE HAD CODE LIENS AGAINST THEIR HOME.
THEY WERE PUT ON A SEPARATE LIST THAT GOT PRIORITY TO GET
THEM OFF OF THAT LIST SO FINE ALSO NOT CONTINUE TO ACCRUE
AND THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR PROPERTIES.
WELL, AS TIME MASS PASSED, WE GOT RID OF THAT.
IF YOU ALL WILL TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE MIGHT GO BACK TO
HELPING FOLKS ON THAT LIST OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY
SENIORS BECAUSE THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
11:42:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE WILL GET BACK WITH LEGAL AND GET BACK
TO YOU.
11:42:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN I BE RECOGNIZED.
11:42:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:42:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT LIENS AS WELL.
I REMEMBER A MOTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF NOT, MR. MIRANDA, YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION.
11:42:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WILL MAKE THAT AFTER.
11:42:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:42:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T RECALL THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW THAT THE WAY LIENS ARE NOW BEING HANDLED
BY THE ADMINISTRATION THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDER.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL HAS PLANNED WITH REGARD TO
THAT, BUT I KNOW THE PROCESS OF HOW A LIEN IS RESOLVED IS
COVERED AS I SAID BY EXECUTIVE ORDER.
11:42:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:42:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:42:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I STAND CORRECTED.
A REPRESENTATIVE AND I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT WITH
THE GENTLEMAN IN REFERENCE WITH THE CODE LIENS.
I BELIEVE I HAVE A SCHEDULE -- MEETING SCHEDULED WITH MISS
-- WITH MISS TRAVIS AND THE GENTLEMAN -- NEXT WEEK WITH THE
GENTLEMAN BECAUSE I MET HIM OVER AT THE CONFERENCE.
HE SAID I HAVE A CONTRACT TO HELP YOU DEAL WITH YOUR LIENS,
ST. PETERSBURG IMPLEMENTED IT.
I HAVE THE CONTRACT BUT I GUESS I HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO
GO AHEAD AND GO FORWARD TAMPA STAFF IS STILL DISCUSS
SOMETHING.
AND -- I BELIEVE NEXT WEEK MEETING WITH MISS TRAVIS WITH
REFERENCE TO THAT GENTLEMAN AND THAT -- HE SAID HE HAD A
CONTRACT WITH THE CITY.
MR. BENNETT IS NODDING HIS HEAD AND HE KNOWS WHAT I AM
TALKING ABOUT.
11:43:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
11:43:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:43:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH WE MAKE THE MOTION OR WAIT UNTIL NEW
BUSINESS.
11:43:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE BEEN MAKING MOTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:43:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE A MEETING -- I SEE MR. BENNETT IS UP
-- WE HAVE A CONTRACT ABOUT THIS KIND OF SITUATION.
MR. BENNETT?
11:44:01AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WOULD DEFER TO LEGAL FOR ELEMENTS OF THE
CONTRACT, BUT I WANT TO SUPPORT THE PHILOSOPHY IS WE HAVE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT THE CODE AS REPRESENTATIVE
HART TALKED ABOUT.
THAT IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO START AND OBVIOUSLY THE MOST
VULNERABLE OPPORTUNITY TO FIX.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION IS IN FULL SUPPORT OF USING
THAT LIST AS THE OPPORTUNITY.
11:44:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT I DIDN'T WANT.
I DON'T WANT US TAKING HOUSES.
I TOLD THE GENTLEMEN IF WE ARE INVOLVED IN THIS PROGRAM, I
WANT A MECHANISM WE HELP THOSE PEOPLE.
NOT JUST TAKE THEIR HOMES.
AND REMOVE AND BECAUSE THEY ARE LIENS AND PUT ANOTHER LIEN
AS FAR AS THE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THERE
AND HAVE A CHANCE TO REHAB THEIR HOME.
11:44:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:44:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE IT TO THE FEBRUARY WORKSHOP.
BUT PUT A DISCUSSION OF PRIORITIZATION OF -- OF LIENS FOR
INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, A DISCUSSION ON THAT ON THE FEBRUARY
23 --
11:45:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET'S HEAR FROM HIM.
11:45:08AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THIS MAY BE THE HELPFUL WITH REGARD TO CODE
ENFORCEMENT LIENS.
YES, WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER IN PLACE.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER PROVIDES FOR, IF A
PROPERTY OWNER BRINGS IT INTO COMPLIANCE AND RESOLVES THE
CODE ISSUE, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAN THEN COMPROMISE AND
BASICALLY WRITE OFF A HUGE AMOUNT OF THE LIENS -- WHEN A
CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN IS PLACED ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE
LIEN AMOUNT INCREASES ON A DAILY -- EVERY DAY THE CODE
VIOLATION EXISTS IS A SEPARATE VIOLATION IN ESSENCE.
THE CODE VIOLATION.
IF YOU EVER A MOWING LIEN AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY IS AND DON'T
GET IT CORRECTED.
EVERY DAY A $50 OR $100 ADDED TO THAT AMOUNT.
YOU DON'T CORRECT YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN, CAN BE A LARGE
SUM OF DOLLARS, A LIEN AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY.
11:46:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE CONTRACT -- EXPLAINED IN THE MEETING I
HAVE AND IN DAYTONA THAT THIS COMPANY GOES OUT AND FINES THE
PROPERTY OWNER -- GOES AND FIND THEM -- AND WE CAN'T FINE
ANYBODY.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS.
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS COMPANY DOES.
11:46:24AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I BELIEVE WHO YOU SPOKEN TO AND I MAY BE
INCORRECT, BUT WE HAVE.AN WITH AN OUTSIDE LAW FIRM FOR
COLLECTING AND CLOSING LIENS.
WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE DO THAT.
BECAUSE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAVE HIRED
OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BE THE COLLECTOR OR ENFORCER OF CITY CODE
ENFORCEMENT LIENS THAT SOMETIMES IT BECOMES A BURDEN ON THE
HOMEOWNERS.
THERE IS SOME -- WE HAVE INCIDENTS IN THE PAST WHERE A CODE
ENFORCEMENT LIEN HAS BEEN IN EFFECT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR THAT LIEN NOW IS $50,000 OR
$100,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE ATTORNEY THAT IS REPRESENTING THE CITY SOMETIMES IN
INNOCENT SLIDE TO COLLECT AS MUCH OF THAT AS THEY CAN.
THE CITY IS MORE CONCERNED OF GETTING THE PROBLEM CORRECTED
AND MAKING SURE THE PROPERTY REMAINS IN PRIVATE HANDS.
WE HAD THIS ISSUE BEFORE.
WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE -- HOW WE DO THAT THAT IS
REALLY --
11:47:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK A WORKSHOP MIGHT BE IN ORDER SO
THIS COUNCIL UNDERSTAND THAT IS WE ARE DOING.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK
IN THAT PROPERTY OR BE ABLE TO FIND THE OWNERS TO GO ET IT
TRANSFERRED WHO MAYBE NOT WANT IT AND DO IT WITH CRA
DOLLARS.
11:47:44AM >> COULD BE A TOOL BUT HAS TO BE CAREFULLY USED.
THAT'S --
11:47:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MASSEY, AS BEING A FORMER MAGISTRATE FOR
CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I KNOW MANY, MANY CASES WHERE THE FINE HAVE BEEN
REINVESTIGATED AND REFUSED OR ELIMINATED ALL TOGETHER BY A
PERSON WHO WANTED TO COME AND.
I WOULD A HOUSE AND UNAFFAIR THEY WERE BEING CHARGED A
FINE.
11:48:08AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CORRECT.
WHAT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER ALLOWS THE CITY TO DO BEFORE COMING
BEFORE THE MAGISTRATE, IF A CODE IS RESOLVED COMPROMISE AND
WRITE OFF MOST OF THE LIEN AMOUNTS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
11:48:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO FORWARD THEM AND GIVE
THEM A COPY OF THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER SO THEY ARE FAMILIAR
WITH THAT PROCESS.
11:48:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WILL MAKE THE MOTION.
MR. CARLSON, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT -- OR ME.
11:48:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE NEED FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE THE MOTION AND
SECOND IT.
11:48:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL MAKE A MOTION FEBRUARY 23 TO DEAL
WITH THE LIEN DISCUSSION, TIME DISCUSSIONS AND THE COMPANY
INVOLVED WITH IN CONTRACT.
11:48:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:48:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU.
11:49:00AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:49:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD.
11:49:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I CAN'T.
I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE AUDIENCE.
YOU SAY THESE THINGS MAY NOT MEAN A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE,
BUT ALONG THE LINE IT MEANS AN AWFUL LOT.
WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THE LOOPY IS NOT FOR A PENALTY BUT TO GET THE ROOF AND
WHATEVER DONE.
THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT UP THE
ROOF AND LEAKS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT COMING AND CITE YOU, YOU
DON'T HAVE A ROOF AND DON'T HAVE A LIEN.
WITHER TRYING WORK IT OUT SO EVERYBODY IS AMICABLE AND THE
PARTY GETS WHAT THEY WANT AND THE CITY GETS WHAT THEY WANT
AND WE TONIGHT HAVE TO SPEND EXTRA MONEY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING.
11:49:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF, I KNOW YOU WANT MR. ROGERO TO COME UP
REQUEST I BELIEVE IT IS 6, 7 AND 8 TOGETHER.
11:50:03AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
JOHN DINGFELDER, CHIEF OF STAFF.
TO HAVE MR. ROGERO TO COME UP AND HOW HE WILL SHOW HOW IT
RELATES POTENTIALLY TO ITEM NUMBER 5.
I SUGGEST HEARING HIM OUT.
11:50:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S HEAR 5, 6, 7 AND 8 TOGETHER AS THEY
ARE ALL RELATED.
6, 7 AND 8.
11:50:31AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
6, 7 AND 8 AND THEN 5.
11:50:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. ROGERO, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 6.
11:50:51AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND GOOD MORNING,
COUNCIL.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
BEGIN WITH 6, 7 AND 8 AS WE JUST DISCUSSED.
REIMBURSEMENT FOR WATER, WASTEWATER, STORMWATER AND VARIOUS
CAPITAL FUND IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
WE PROVIDED STAFF REPORTS, OF COURSE, BUT A BRIEF
INTRODUCTION BEFORE WE BRING UP OUR BOND COUNSEL, MR. STEVE
MILLER, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY HAS MET TO GO OVER WHY WE
THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AND HOW WE HAVE HAD A GREAT DEAL
OF SUCCESS WITH THESE TYPE OF RESOLUTIONS IN THE PAST.
FIRST COUNCIL APPROVED THESE PROJECTS LAST MONTH AS PART OF
THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
AND WE ARE NOT ASKING COUNCIL TO APPROVE ANY DEBT AT THIS
TIME.
THAT WILL COME LATER AS WE EXPLAINED WITH THE TYPICAL
IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICABLE DEPARTMENTS, MY TEAM
INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL.
WE ARE ASKING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER DEBT SERVICE AS PART OF
THE FUNDING STRATEGY FOR THESE ITEMS.
A RECENT EXAMPLE OF THIS AS SOME OF THIS HAS DISCUSSED A
COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
COUNCIL APPROVED A $55 MILLION STORMWATER ITEM.
PREDICATED ON ONE OF THESE REIMBURSEMENTS, PARTICULARLY AND
GENERALLY PREDICATED ON THE EVENTUAL ISSUANCE OF DEBT
SERVICE.
WE HAVE BRIEFED MOST OF YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND INTEREST.
HAVING SAID THAT IF I MAY, TURN IT OVER TO MR. MILLER.
11:52:19AM >> THANK YOU, DENNIS.
STEVE MILLER WITH NABOR GIBLIN AND NICKERSON, THE CITY'S
BOND COUNSEL.
I HERE TO BRIEFLY SPEAK OF THE RESOLUTIONS AND CLARIFY SOME
THINGS.
WHAT MR. ROGERO JUST MENTIONED THAT PASSING THESE
RESOLUTIONS TODAY DOES NOT GIVE THE CITY ANY ABILITY OR
AUTHORITY TO ISSUE DEBT FOR ANY ONE OF THESE PARTICULAR
PROJECTS.
THAT WILL HAVE TO COME FROM SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION BY THE
CITY COUNCIL.
WHAT THIS ALLOWS THE CITY IT DO IS IF THE CITY IN
UNDERTAKING THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY PART OF THE CIP
SPENDS SOME OF ITS OWN MONEY IN ANTICIPATION OF POSSIBLY
DOING A FINANCING DOWN THE ROAD GIVES THE CITY THE ULTIMATE
FLEXIBILITY IN COVERING BASES TO REPLENISH THOSE FUNDS OR
REIMBURSE THOSE FUNDS THAT YOU SPENT FOR THE PROJECT.
ALL REQUIRED BY THE FEDERAL TAX LAWS, A RULE OUT THERE THAT
SAYS IF YOU DO WANT TO REIMBURSE YOURSELF FOR ANY MONIES YOU
SPENT FOR A PROJECT FROM TAX EXEMPT BOND PROCEEDS YOU HAVE
TO ADOPT ONE OF THESE THINGS AND SHOWS YOUR OFFICIAL INTENT
THERE.
THIS IS REALLY JUST AN INSURANCE POLICY GIVING YOU GUYS
ULTIMATE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW YOU WANT TO PAY FOR THESE
PROJECTS.
FINANCING SOME.
PAYING AS YOU GO WITH SOME.
FINANCING ALL.
THOSE ARE DECISIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE DOWN THE
ROAD.
IF ADMINISTRATION SUBSEQUENTLY DECIDES A PROJECT TWO OR
THREE THAT THEY WANT TO FINANCE WITH TAX EXEMPT BOND
PROCEEDS, THEY WILL COME BACK TO YOU.
ANOTHER RESOLUTION. SPECIFICS, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT,
THE FUNDING SOURCE, THE STRUCTURE, ETC., ETC.
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ADOPTS THESE TODAY DOES NOT
COMMIT YOU IN ADOPTING DEBT IN THE FUTURE.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THE CITY HAS BEEN GREAT DOING THIS OVER
THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
VERY PROACTIVE AND SO THEY DON'T GET IN A BIND.
I HAVE SEVERAL CLIENTS THAT ARE NOT AS PROACTIVE AS THE
CITY.
ONE THAT PURCHASE A PIECE OF LAND WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, $5
MILLION.
THEY ALWAYS INTENDED TO DO BONDS.
DIDN'T TALK TO US OR OTHER FINANCING PROFESSIONALS AND THEY
WANTED TO ISSUE THE BOND AND PAY THE $5 MILLION BACK.
THEY HAVEN'T ADOPTED ONE OF THESE, THEY COULDN'T DO IT.
OUR RECOMMENDATION TO DO THESE WHENEVER YOU ARE ABLE TO
UNDERTAKE THE LARGE PROJECTS.
IF THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:54:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONVERSATION THIS
MORNING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALL THE CITIZENS OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
SO IN ESSENCE, NO BURDEN.
NO ADDITIONAL BURDEN AT THE TAXPAYER.
11:55:08AM >> CORRECTS, NOT AT THIS POINT.
11:55:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:55:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:55:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET'S SAY A $10 MILLION PROJECT AND CITY
REIMBURSES ITSELF FROM THIS FUND.
WHEN THE MONEY GOES BACK IN THE OTHER ACCOUNT, HAVE TO GO
BACK IN THE SAME ACCOUNT IT CAME FROM ORIGINALLY?
OR ANY RESTRICTIONS HOW THAT MONEY IS TO BE SPENT.
DOES THE CITY HAVE TO GET APPROVAL OF THE $10 MILLION TO BE
PUT BACK.
11:55:36AM >> LET ME ANSWER THAT WITH AN EXAMPLE.
YOU HAVE SOME PROJECT -- THIS RESOLUTION REQUIRES YOU TO --
DOESN'T HOLD YOU TOO AND COULD BE REASONABLE DEVELOP NATION.
YOU INTEND TO PAY SOME OF THESE PROJECTS LET'S SAY OUT OF
THE STORMWATER CAPITAL FUND AND SPEND $10 MILLION FOR
STORMWATER PROJECTS.
AND DOWN THE ROAD BOND ISSUE FOR THE STORMWATER.
PUT $10 MILLION BACK IN THAT STORMWATER CAPITAL FUND.
CAN BE USED FOR WHATEVER THE STORMWATER CAPITAL FUND CAN BE
USED FOR.
11:56:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE CITY -- THE ADMINISTRATION HAS TO COME
BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
MORRIS DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN?
ARE YOU AGREEING WITH EVERYTHING -- YOU SAID YES?
11:56:17AM >> YES, SIR.
11:56:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:56:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HIS QUESTION IS DO YOU HAVE TO.
YOU SAY THEY MAY PUT IT BACK.
DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IT BACK IN STORMWATER?
11:56:29AM >> THAT IS THE IDEA.
THE STORMWATER BOND ISSUE.
11:56:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT A MAY, A MUST.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
11:56:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
PROCEED.
11:56:41AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS.
11:56:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
MR. MILLER IS TOO HUMBLE TO STATE THIS, BUT
HE IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE SO SUCCESSFUL.
WITH THE PRO ACTIVITY, THE DISCLOSURE AND THE DETAIL.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT -- PARDON ME, I HAVE A PRIVILEGE OF
REPRESENTING THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND TAKE A WHOLE TEAM
INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL AND MR. MILLER OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS,
ETC.
IF I CAN SPEAK TO -- I SAW COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S REQUEST AND
PERHAPS RECOMMENDATION FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THE PROCESS
EARLIER ON ITEMS NUMBER 6 AND 7.
AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IN DETAIL.
BUT I WILL START WITH, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY, AND OBVIOUSLY IF
COUNCIL FEELS THE PUBLIC HAVEN'T BEEN WELL INFORMED FOR ANY
APPLICATION, COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS CONTINUE IT.
BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THIS IS REALLY THE SECOND, THIRD,
MAYBE FOURTH PHASE OF THESE PROJECT ITEMS.
THE FIRST BEING PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET BACK IN AUGUST BY
THE MAYOR WHERE WILL NOT ONLY WERE THESE PROJECTS REFERENCED
BUT THE POTENTIAL DEBTS SERVICE ISSUANCE TO FUND THE
PROJECT.
THIS PRESENTATION REMAINS ON THE WEB SITE AND AGAIN ON THE
FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WE REPEATED IT.
AGAIN IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY AND ALL PART OF US
ADVERTISING, IF YOU WILL, OUR INTENT, COUNCIL'S INTENT TO
FUND THESE PROJECTS.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, THE THIRD PHASE, WHEREIN EACH PROJECT
IS INDIVIDUALLY REFERENCED WITH THE POTENTIALITY OF DEBT
SERVICE BEING ISSUED TO FUNDS IT.
THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH PHASE RIGHT HERE.
WHEREIN WE COME FORWARD FOR THE REASONS THAT MR. MILLER HAS
ALREADY EXPLAINED.
WE THINK IT IS PRUDENT.
WE DO THINK IT IS TRANSPARENT.
AND GOOD PLANNING.
GOOD PLANNING ON OUR PART.
IT IS GOOD PLANNING ON THE COUNCIL'S PART TO GET THE BIG
PICTURE WHAT WE INTEND TO DO FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED
FROM DEBT SERVICE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS YOU HEARD MR. MILLER STATE, THERE IS
ANOTHER PHASE.
IF WE DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH DEBT SERVICE, WE WILL COME
TO COUNCIL AGAIN WITH EVEN MORE DETAILED INFORMATION BECAUSE
BY THEN, THIS IS A VERY VOLATILE ENVIRONMENT AS EVERYBODY
KNOWS BUT BY THEN WE WILL KNOW THE RATE STRUCTURE AND THE
RATES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENT TO THIS, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
COUNCIL AND PUBLIC WHERE WE LET THE CONTRACTS.
AGAIN, WHERE -- WE WILL BE COMPELLED TO REITERATE THAT THIS
IS THE CASE, YOU KNOW, AND REASONS WE THINK THESE PROJECTS
WERE A GOOD IDEA PREVIOUSLY, AND THEN PROBABLY THE FINAL
PHASE UNTIL PROJECT CLOSE-OUT, THE PERIODIC UPDATES, AN
EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF THAT, I THINK, ARE MS. JEAN DUNCAN'S
STORMWATER UPDATE THAT SHE GIVES YOU, AND FORTUNATELY WE HAD
A GREAT DEAL OF SUCCESS IN THOSE UPDATED PROJECT REPORTS ARE
ALWAYS VERY POSITIVE.
SPEAKING TO THE INCLUSION OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THE
RESOLUTION TITLE, THAT IS TYPICAL FOR A REIMBURSEMENT
RESOLUTION IN LOCALITIES BECAUSE PARTICULARLY WE ARE NOT
ASKING FOR DEBT SERVICE OR ANY EXPENDITURE.
HOWEVER, I CAN CERTAINLY SEE HOW THAT MIGHT BE AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT IF COUNCIL AND THE
ADMINISTRATION FEELS THAT THAT IS ANOTHER MECHANISM TO
INFORM THE PUBLIC OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO FROM THE REVENUE AND FINANCE, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
PERSPECTIVE, THAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY REASONABLE ADDITION AS
LONG AS THERE'S NO LEGAL PROHIBITION AGAINST INCLUDING THE
DOLLAR AMOUNT.
12:00:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
WE HAVE A MADE BY COUNCILMAN --
12:00:42PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE CAN ALWAYS INCLUDE IT.
THERE ARE THINGS WE WANT TO MAKE CLEAR IN THE TITLE BECAUSE
THESE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED IN THE
ISSUANCE OF DEBT THAT WE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE CONTEMPLATED
IN THE FUTURE ACTION, THAT POTENTIALLY MAY HAPPEN, AND HOW
THE MONEY WILL BE PAID.
12:01:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WAS TO MOVE NUMBER
6, IS THAT CORRECT?
TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 6.
12:01:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
12:01:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
12:01:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:01:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:01:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES 69 YES.
12:01:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:01:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:01:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:01:33PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:01:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
WITHOUT OBJECTION, COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT IS 12:00.
WE WILL BE HAVING A HARD STOP AT 12:30.
DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT, MR. SHELBY?
12:01:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, THAT'S FINE, SIR.
12:01:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PLEASE CONTINUE, MR. ROGERO.
12:01:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
AGAIN I AM AVAILABLE.
BOND COUNSEL IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK YOU ALSO WANTED TO INCORPORATE 55, 7 AND 8 INTO
THIS DISCUSSION.
IF I CAN QUICKLY SUMMARIZE NUMBER 5, AGAIN, IT IS A CONTRACT
THAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL BE FUNDED FROM DEBT SERVICE AT SOME
POINT, SO IT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS AGENDA ITEM, AND
EXHIBIT 8, THE LIST OF POTENTIAL PROJECTS.
12:02:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
12:02:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE PARTS HEADED BY COUNCILMAN MEMBER
GUDES?
12:02:39PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THE TAMPA RECREATION COMPLEX.
12:02:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:02:44PM >> SECOND.
12:02:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:02:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE READING ITEM NUMBER 50 I DEFINITELY

HAVE A FEW THINGS SAY ABOUT IT.
THE PARK IS EXCITING.
WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
BUT MY CONCERN WHEN I READ THIS, AND THESE WHAT I AM HEARING
FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL THIS MORNING, IS THAT WE DIDN'T GET
THE RFPs, THERE WAS NOTHING, THERE WAS NO INFORMATION IN
SIRE.
WE DO NOT GO TO ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS.
I HAVE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THAT DURING THE MEETINGS, THE
CONTRACTOR, THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WAS NOT ALLOWED.
THEY WERE ALLOWED TO SIT AND LISTEN BUT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED
TO COMMENT ON IT.
AND THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU
KNOW, WHY DO WE INVITE THE PUBLIC?
EVEN IF THEY ARE JUST GIVING COMMENTS IN THE BEGINNING, JUST
SAYING WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS THIS MORNING THAT THEIR
CONCERNS ARE THAT CONTRACTUALLY THERE ARE ONLY TWO PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENTS PORTIONS.
SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE EAST TAMPA, THEY HAVE
BEEN WANTING THIS PARK FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY HAVE VERY
SPECIFIC THINGS THEY WANT TO BE SEE IN IT.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TWO MEETINGS IS GOING TO BE ENOUGH.
I AM CONCERNED THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT THAT THERE
AREN'T OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE THAN TWO.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS IS THE INITIAL DESIGN AND

BUILD, AND WE DON'T HAVE A MAX AMOUNT, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE
SPENDING ON THIS?
THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED.
I DO UNDERSTAND FROM COMMENTS FROM MY PLANNING MEETING FOR
THIS MEETING THAT WE WILL KNOW THAT 90% IN THIS PARTICULAR
PROCESS WHAT THE TOTAL COST WILL BE AND THAT THEY SAID THAT
THEY'LL STICK WITHIN $40 MILLION, BUT HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
I KNOW IT STILL HAS TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US BEFORE
THAT'S APPROVED.
BUT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
THEY ARE ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES, AND
WHILE WE HAVE THAT WITH THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE DESIGN
PORTION, WHAT ABOUT THE BUILD PORTION?
SO THE COMMUNITY STILL HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, AS
DO I.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DO.
12:05:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
12:05:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:05:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT HAS BEEN COMING
FROM.
I NEVER TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID EAST TAMPA REGIONAL COMPLEX. I DON'T
KNOW WHERE THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
BUT WE CAN ASK THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEVERAL
COMMUNITIES THAT WERE THERE.

AND I DON'T WANT ONE PORTION HAVING SOLE CONTROL OF AN AREA.
THAT AREA IS NOT -- MAKE THAT CLEAR.
THAT IS NOT CALLED FAIR OAKS AND THAT ISN'T CALLED FAIR OAKS
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD THE IDEA OF FAIR OAKS BECAUSE I HAD
MORE COMMUNITY DATA THAN ANYBODY.
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS A COMPANY COME IN AND DRAG A
PROGRAM OUT FOR A YEAR.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BUT WE HAVE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND THE PERSPECTIVE
OF WHAT YOU DO ON THAT PA PARK, PERIOD.
SO INSTEAD OF DRAGGING THAT OUT, I AM NOT FOR THAT AT ALL.
IT SHOULD TAKE US NO MORE THAN MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS
FOR TO GET COMMUNICATION FROM THOSE FOUR OR FIVE
ASSOCIATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY AND GET THIS PROJECT MOVING.
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
NOT THREE OR FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, HOW FAST CAN WE BUILD
IT.
COST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT.
THERE'S NO POOL GOING INSIDE THAT PROJECT.
WE HAVE A POOL DOWN THE STREET.
THAT'S MORE MONEY THAN PUTTING A POOL IN THAT AREA BECAUSE
WE GOT A POOL DOWN THE STREET.
I SAID FROM DAY ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT A GREAT GYMNASTIC
CENTER FOR OUR KIDS.
I TALKED ABOUT ALSO MAKING SURE YOU HAVE THE BEST SENIOR

CENTER WE CAN HAVE OVER THERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE PLAN, THAT BUILDING WHICH SHOULD BE
DEMOLISHED, BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT RATS AND RODENTS IN THAT
BUILDING, BEING DEMOLISHED, AND SOMETHING WHERE THOSE KIDS
CAN BE STAY THERE, NOT BEING TRANSFERRED OUT.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT A SPLASH PAD, THE LITTLE WATER THING THAT
KIDS CAN GO UP.
BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE ADA SYSTEM FOR PEOPLE, ACCESSIBLE
KIDS, WHEELCHAIRS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY REBUILD.
THAT COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF -- YBOR CITY, SMALL LIKE
KITCHEN, SO WE CAN HAVE TRAINING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE OVER THERE.
SO FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE AS-BUILD CAME IN BECAUSE
AGAIN THAT COMMUNITY IS NOT CALLED FAIR OAKS, BUT THAT
BUILDING IS.
AND YOU HAVE FIVE TO SEVEN DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS OVER
THERE, YOU HAVE JACKSON HEIGHTS, YOU HAVE RAINBOW HEIGHTS.
I DON'T WANTS ANYBODY -- I WANT THAT AN EAST TAMPA FACILITY.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR AND ON THE RECORD.
12:08:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO RESPOND AND SAY, NO, I AM NOT
SAYING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A BUNCH OF MEETINGS.
I'M SAYING THE COMMUNITIES HAVE MENTIONED TODAY THAT, YES,
THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THE MEETING, BUT REALLY MORE
IMPORTANTLY THEY JUST WANT TO BE KEPT UPDATED.

THAT'S WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, TWO MEETINGS IS NOT ENOUGH.
BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME, YOU AND I KNOW THAT EVERYONE
WATCHING WHAT'S GOING TO GO INTO THAT PROJECT, BUT THEY WANT
AN UPDATE.
I'M THINKING OF IT TO BE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, OR SOUTHEAST
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER PROJECT WHERE THEY CAN JUST HAVE
UPDATES, SO THAT'S WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF --
BUT, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH.
HOWEVER, WE GOT THIS DESIGN CRITERIA, AND I REALLY THINK
THAT EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL IS PASSIONATE.
I ASKED FOR IT BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS GIVEN TO ANYONE
ELSE.
AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE.
WE CAN'T GO TO EVERY SINGLE MEETING.
WE CAN'T KNOW -- WE CAN'T GO IT -- I UNDERSTAND A FAIR
AMOUNT OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN THE COMMUNITY ALREADY ABOUT
THIS.
BUT WE DIDN'T GET ANY BACKGROUND IN THIS ITEM NUMBER THAT I
WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD.
AND SO I AM JUST SAYING IN THE FUTURE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE
THESE DESIGN CRITERIAS INCLUDED, THAT WE HAVE THIS
BACKGROUND INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME.
12:09:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT

LAST NIGHT.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE, THE DESIGN BUILD STANDARD, 71% ON
THIS PROJECT, AND WHEN WE GO TO CONSTRUCTION MAKING SURE
THOSE NUMBERS ARE THERE BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR WE
ARE BUILDING A MAJOR, MAJOR PROJECT LIKE THIS IN THE
COMMUNITY AND YET THOSE NUMBERS DWINDLE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS STAY THE WAY THEY OUGHT TO
BE, AND MINORITY CONTRACTORS AT THE TABLE, AND DO THE PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT AND WE CAN HAVE THE PROJECT BUILT MUCH FASTER AND
JUST GET THE MATERIALS FASTER THAN SOME WHO ARE BIDDING FOR
THE JOB.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO I WILL SIT BACK.
I SEE MS. WYNN IS THERE, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOW WHERE
THIS COUNCILMAN IS COMING FROM. FROM DAY ONE I TALKED ABOUT
WHAT NEEDED TO BE, WHAT SHOULD BE, WHAT I ASKED TO DO.
AND NOW GO THROUGH MEDIATION IN THE MIDDLE FOR WHAT THE GOAL
IS.
THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE BEST PROJECT IN TAMPA WITH THE
NUMBERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW NAMES, AND THE SECOND
LONGEST IN THE CITY, MARY BRYANT IS NUMBER ONE, AND OVER AT
PARKS AND REC ALMOST 40, 50 YEARS, AND MR. MANISCALCO TALKED
ABOUT MR. WHITE, A LOT OF HISTORICAL THINGS.
I AM HOPING WE TALK ABOUT HISTORICAL FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY,
ALSO, AND THE NAMES ON THE BENCHES OR WHATEVER.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT ALL TOGETHER WITH
ENGAGEMENT BUT MAKING SURE WE CAN MOVE THIS PROJECT FASTER.
WHAT PEOPLE ALWAYS SEE IS, WE MOVE AHEAD, AND HOW FAST WE
ARE GOING TO GET THIS BUILT.
MS. WYNN?
12:11:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. WYNN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:11:46PM >>OCEA WYNN:
ADMINISTRATOR, NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS.
COUNCIL, I COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING AS THE EXECUTIVE
SPONSOR FOR THE EAST TAMPA REC CENTER AND I HAVE THE HONOR
OF THE PROJECT, AND WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
WE HAVE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT THIS PROJECT OCCURS
EXPEDIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I HEARD YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT MEMBERS OF
THE PUBLIC NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS
THEIR CONCERNS OR HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE BIDDING,
THAT PROCESS.
WHAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO KNOW IS THAT, YES, THE PUBLIC WAS
THERE, BUT NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC STAYED PRIOR TO THE
SCORING WHERE WE OFFERED THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
SO IT WAS NOT AS IF THEY WERE NOT AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY.
THEY DID NOT STAY LONG ENOUGH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
OPPORTUNITY.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PART IS CLEAR.
THE SECOND PART OF IT IS, COUNCILMAN GUDES, WE HEAR YOU IN
TERMS OF THE LENGTH OF TIME.
THE TWO MONTHS, LIMITED TO TWO MONTHS TIME PERIOD IN TERMS
OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, TO GET THAT STRAIGHT THAT WAS AN
EXAMPLE DURING THE COMMENTS AT THE HEARINGS OF THE VENDORS
THAT, OH, WE CAN'T DO THIS, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT IN TWO
MONTHS.
IT'S NOT SET IN STONE, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
IT WAS AN EXAMPLE THAT THEY SAID DURING THE PROCESS THAT IF
NEEDED WE COULD DO THAT.
WE HAD SOME VERY SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN 2019 EARLY ON WHERE
WE HEARD A LOT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED.
WE TOOK THAT BACK.
WE DEVELOPED A PLAN, SO THE BEAUTY OF THAT IS THAT WE ARE
NOT STARTING FROM A BLANK CANVAS.
WE KIND NOVEMBER WHAT'S NEEDED ALREADY.
HOWEVER, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT GOING FORWARD, WE STILL
LISTEN TO COMMUNITY INPUT.
WE HAVE ONBOARDED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO I JUST OFFER TO YOU, GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE HEAR YOU.
GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS WORK AND COME BACK AND
PRESENT BEFORE YOU INFORMATION, UPDATE YOU, SO AS YOU ARE
HEARING THINGS FROM THE PUBLIC -- YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE YOU

CAN DIRECT YOUR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS TO, AND WE CAN GET YOU
THE INFORMATION THAT'S NEEDED SO THAT YOU CAN SATISFY YOUR
CONSTITUENTS.
12:14:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS?
I CAN SEE YOU JUMPED UP.
12:14:53PM >> BECAUSE WE ARE A DUO.
12:14:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU GOT THE POWER HOUSE.
12:15:00PM >> DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, SHERISHA HILLS.
SO --
12:15:08PM >> A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
12:15:13PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.
12:15:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY FURTHER AND FINAL DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:15:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THAT, AND I
AM NOTING THAT, AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY STAY IN TOUCH ON THIS
PROJECT.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:15:34PM >>OCEA WYNN:
THANK YOU.
12:15:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT I DO WANT YOU TO HAVE A QUICK
CONVERSATION WITH MS. HEWITT AS SHE LEAVES BECAUSE SHE
INDICATES THAT THERE WAS NO CHANCE, OR SHE DID NOT KNOW
ABOUT THE CHANCE TO COMMENT.
SO LET'S CORRECT THAT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS.

12:15:55PM >>OCEA WYNN:
ABSOLUTELY.
12:15:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO APPRECIATE IT.
WE ARE ALL LEARNING AND ALWAYS IMPROVING SO THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
12:16:02PM >>OCEA WYNN:
AND CHAIRMAN CITRO, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY
FOR ME TO INTRODUCE THE TWO OF OUR -- THAT WILL BE ON THE
PROJECT OR NOT?
12:16:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
BECAUSE YOU ASKED SO NICELY, YES.
12:16:17PM >>OCEA WYNN:
THANK YOU.
12:16:18PM >> GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.
I'M KIM JACKSON WITH KPJIMPTR.
I'LL BE HANDLING ALL THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC
RELATIONS.
AND WE HAVE MARY HALLIS WHO WILL BE OUR ARCHITECT AND LEAD
POINT ON THE PROJECT.
I HEARD QUITE A FEW THINGS.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD -- IN THE PRESENTATION I DID JULIAN B.
LANE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND WE DID HAVE PUBLIC PEOPLE THERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I DID FIND DURING OUR PROJECT, WE HAD
PEOPLE WALKING IN.
PEOPLE THEY DIDN'T KNOW AND IT'S VERY DISTRACTING WHEN YOU
ARE DOING A PRESENTATION.
AND A LARGE PORTION OF THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO
SPOKE CAME AFTER OUR PRESENTATION AND AFTER WE SPOKE ABOUT

WHERE IT CAME TOWARD THE END OF QUESTION AND ANSWER.
SO I KNOW THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
12:17:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:17:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD AFTERNOON, YOUNG LADY.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE MAJOR PLAYERS OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHO THEY REALLY ARE.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE NAMES OF THE MAJOR PLAYERS BECAUSE
THOSE MAJOR PLAYERS CALL ME ALL THE TIME.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE SO YOU CAN BE
ENGAGED WITH THOSE FOLKS.
12:17:33PM >> WE DID A SAMPLING WHERE WE INTERVIEWED THE JAZZY SENIORS,
WE INTERVIEWED AS OUR SECOND GROUP THE EMPLOYEES OF THE
PARK, AND THEN AS OUR THIRD GROUP WE INTERVIEWED THE YOUNG
KIDS 11 TO 14, THEY ACTUALLY USE THE PARK EVERY DAY.
SO THE CITY HAD A LIST OF WHAT THEY WANTED, AND WE GOT A
LIST OF WHAT THEY WANTED, AND IN OUR PRESENTATION WE HAD TO
CIRCLE WHERE EVERYBODY IMPRESSION, AND THEN WE HAD PARTS OF
THOSE THINGS THEY WANTED. NOW THE CITY SAYS THEY DON'T WANT
A POOL, BUT ALL THOSE GROUPS SAID THEY WANT A POOL BECAUSE
THE YOUNG PEOPLE SAID THEY HAVE A TWO-WEEK SWIMMING PROGRAM
THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO FINISH BECAUSE BY THE TIME THEY
WALK DOWN TO THE POOL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING RAIN OR IT'S
THUNDER AND LIGHTNING, THEY HAVE TO WALK BACK.
SO THEY HAVE YET TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY COMPLETE A TWO-WEEK

SWIMMING PROGRAM.
SO THEN THE SENIORS AND THE PARK STAFF WERE SAYING ABOUT
HAVING A POOL.
THEY ALL AGREED THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
THE SENIORS SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE RUN OVER BY
CHILDREN.
AND THEN THE ADULTS WANT TO USE THE GYM THAT ARE IN THE AREA
BUT THEY CAN'T USE IT DURING THE TIMES WHEN THE CHILDREN ARE
IN THERE.
THEY ALL SAID THEY WANTED A NEW BUILDING.
THEY WERE TIRED OF THE BARS ON THE WINDOW.
THE KIDS HAD REALLY GOOD THINGS THAT THEY WANTED ALL OF
THEM, AND THE COMMUNITY SAID THEY WANTED A COOKING AREA
WHERE THEY CAN TAKE COOKING CLASSES AND LEARN.
KIDS SAID THEY WANTED A GAMING ROOM.
THEY WANTED TO DO FAIR OAKS MERCHANDISE BECAUSE THEY CALL IT
FAIR OAKS PARK.
THEY WANTED -- THEY HAVE MORE THAN ENTREPRENEURIAL
EXPERIENCE THAN WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER.
SO THEY HAD SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS.
THEY HAD SOME IDEAS THAT CHILDREN WOULD COME OUT WITH LIKE
THEY WANTED A RACETRACK AROUND THE PARK, AND THEY WANTED
THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SEE WHAT WAS IN THE
MIDDLE.
BUT I DID DO THAT AS A SAMPLING SO THAT WE CAN SHOW AS A

PRESENTATION THAT WE DO HAVE AN UNDERSTAND OF COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT.
AND TAKING SOME OF THE TECHNIQUES WITH JULIAN B. LANE WHERE
WE HIRED PEOPLE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE GO ACTUALLY
DOOR TO DOOR, SO THAT THEY CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE
WE NOTICED PEOPLE THROW IT OUT IN THE GARBAGE CAN, WE WILL
BE USING EVENT SOFTWARE WHERE WE HAVE 1300 RESIDENTS
DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT WE WILL BE
USING.
THERE WAS 500 AND THEN THE OTHER 800 VIRTUALLY THROUGH THE
APP.
WE DID CREATE A DESIGN ALREADY TO START, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN
SEE, WELL, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO SHOW WHEN THEY LOOK IN
THE APPLE OR IN THE GOOGLE STORE, THE DESIGN WILL POP UP.
12:20:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I DO APPRECIATE IT.
MR. ROGERO, ON ITEMS NUMBER 7 AND 8, HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO
YOU NEED?
12:20:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I NEED NO MORE TIME, MR. CHAIR.
MY PRESENTATION, MR. MILLER HAS MADE HIS STATEMENTS.
WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
12:20:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7.
OKAY. WHO MADE THE MOTION FOR NUMBER 5?
CARLSON.
ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT, PLEASE.

12:20:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:20:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:20:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:20:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:20:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:20:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:20:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:21:00PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:21:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 7.
12:21:03PM >> SECOND.
12:21:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 7.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:21:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:21:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:21:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:21:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:21:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:21:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:21:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:21:18PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:21:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 8.
12:21:21PM >> SECOND.
12:21:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO MOVE AGENDA NUMBER 8 BY

COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:21:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:21:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:21:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:21:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:21:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:21:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:21:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:21:34PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:21:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TPO/MPO THAT HAS BEEN SITTING HERE
WAITING PATIENTLY FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
DO WE HAVE THE TIME TO HEAR HER PRESENTATION?
I WOULD RATHER HER STATE NOW, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO RUN LONG,
WE HAVE TO BREAK AT 12:30.
WE HAVE TO BE BACK AT 1:30.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:22:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE CAN HEAR MS. ALDEN, WHO IS A WONDERFUL PERSON, BUT WE
WOULD HAVE TO LIMIT COMMENTS, ET CETERA AND EXPEDITE IT.
I THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE IN TEN MINUTES, FRANKLY.
BUT I NEED TO LEAVE HERE BY 4:50 TODAY.
12:22:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE
EARLIER.

THERE'S A TIME CERTAIN.
IF WE ARE LEAVING THE ROOM, COULD WE LEAVE THE ROOM QUIETLY,
PLEASE?
MS. ALDEN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
12:22:52PM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING UP THIS ITEM THIS MORNING.
I AM THE DIRECTOR OF THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING
ORGANIZATION OF WHICH THE CITY OF TAMPA IS A MEMBER.
THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
SETTING PRIORITY TO GUIDE HOW FEDERAL DOLLARS ARE SPENT IN
THIS AREA ON TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR REVIEW OF THE
MEMBERSHIP OF THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, AND
ELIZABETH WALKER, OUR PRINCIPAL PLANNER, HAS A VERY SHORT
PRESENTATION FOR YOU GOING OVER HOW THAT REVIEW IS
CONDUCTED.
WE ARE SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A
MEMBERSHIP REAPPORTIONMENT PLAN.
12:23:44PM >> ELIZABETH, CPO STAFF.
I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK, VERY CLEARLY OUTLINE WHAT THE MPO IS,
WHAT THE PLAN IS, AND WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY IS TO SEEK YOUR
SUPPORT ON THIS PLAN.
SO A KEY PART OF THE PLAN IS FEDERAL STATUTES OH TO LOOK
EVERY TEN YEARS.
WHAT THAT POPULATION DATA SHOWS IS THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

AND AREA HAS 69% OF THE POPULATION WHILE CITY OF TAMPA HAS
26 AND THE REST SPRIT BETWEEN TEMPLE TERRACE AND PLANT CITY.
ON AUGUST 10th, THE BOARD VOTED TO CHANGE THEIR VOTING
MEMBERSHIP TO INCREASE THE VOTING MEMBERSHIP FOR
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOR TWO ADDITIONAL SEATS.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS CHART, WITH THIS CHANGE, THAT WOULD
MAKE ALL SEVEN MEMBERS ALSO MEMBERS OF THE MPO, MAKE ABOUT
40% OF THE REPRESENTATION OF MPO, ALTHOUGH THAT'S 69% OF THE
POPULATION REPRESENTATION IN THE COUNTY.
THE REMAINDER MEMBERSHIP WOULD NOT CHANGE AS PROPOSED BY THE
TPO, CITY OF TAMPA HAVING THREE MEMBERS AND ALL THE OTHER
JURISDICTIONS AND TRANSPORTATION AGENCIES HAVE ONE SEAT.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS.
AND WITH THIS PLAN WE WILL ALSO BE GOING TO THE OTHER
JURISDICTIONS TO SEEK THEIR SUPPORT AND SUBMIT TO THEM FOR
THEIR APPROVAL.
WITH THAT STATED WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER IF YOU WOULD TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION THE PLAN.
12:25:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, IT'S BASED ON POPULATION.
HOWEVER, IF THAT POPULATION STAYED IN ONE PLACE, 24/7, THAT
WOULD MAKE SENSE.
MY CONCERN IS THIS, THAT THE POPULATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
DOUBLES EACH AND EVERY DAY.
WE HAVE MORE TRANSPORTATION, IN MY OPINION, MORE

TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THAT AGAIN IN MY
OPINION ARE NOT BEING MET.
THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THROUGH UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY COME INTO THE CITY TO WORK.
NOW, WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE COME FROM PINELLAS, POLK, PASCO
COUNTY, MANATEE, HERNANDO, COMING IN AND USING THE CITY OF
TAMPA'S ROADWAYS TO WORK.
WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL PLACES COMING IN FOR SPORTING
EVENTS, COMING IN -- WE HAVE TWO MAJOR, MAJOR COMPANIES, I
WOULD LIKE TO SAY NUMBER ONE IN THE UNITED STATES BUT IT'S
THE NUMBER TWO AIRPORT, PEOPLE FROM POLK, PINELLAS, PASCO,
SARASOTA, COME IN TO FLY IN AND OUT OF.
WE HAVE THE TENTH LARGEST DEEP WATER PORT WHERE MAJOR
TRAFFIC COMES IN TO MOVE GOODS HEATH TO THE WORLD OR FROM
THE WORLD.
I FEEL THE TV NEEDS MORE REPRESENTATION
I HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD SAY ONE MORE PERSON FROM THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND --
NOW I AM NOT ASKING FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL RIGHT NOW BUT ALSO
ASKING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE NEED OF THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA
AND THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE ROADS THAT WE
HAVE HERE IN TAMPA.
ONLY 19 PERCENT OF THE ROADS ARE CITY OF TAMPA ROADS.
THE OTHERS ARE STATE AND COUNTY.
WE ARE ASKED TO BE CUSTODIANS OF THOSE ROADS.

SO WHAT MS. ALDEN IS ASKING TODAY, THAT WE ADOPT ONE OF
THESE RESOLUTIONS, THAT WE PASS ONE OF THESE RESOLUTIONS,
WHETHER IT BE THE RESOLUTION WHERE TWO BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS ARE PUT ON, OR I WOULD ASK FOR TWO MORE CITY
COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I HAVE IN MY RESOLUTION, WHICH
IS ONE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION, ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN HAVE.
I KNOW THE WAY I WANT TO GO.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:28:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION OR ARE YOU GOING TO
WAIT?
12:28:42PM >> IS THAT A MOTION?
12:28:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM WAITING FOR ANY MORE COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.
12:28:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK YOU MADE A PRESENTATION OF THE
CASE BASED ON THE HISTORICAL FACTORS, AND WHETHER YOU LIKE
IT OR NOT LIKE IT, WHETHER I WANT IT OR DON'T WANT IT, THERE
ARE PEOPLE WHO COME INTO THE METROPOLITAN AREA NO MATTER
WHAT IT IS AND THEY COME IN AND THEY USE THE TRAFFIC, THEY
USE THE LANE, THEY USE THE AMENITIES, WHATEVER CITY IT IS
AND THEY GO BARK HOME.
SO MAYBE ON BOTH SIDES THERE SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION ON,
AND CERTAINLY THAT HAPPENS IN EVERY CITY THROUGHOUT THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OF ANY SUBSTANCE.
THOSE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY, EVEN ON EVENTS, TO SPORTING

EVENTS TO OPERA EVENTS TO MUSIC AT THE PARK, THEY COME IN TO
WHEREVER THAT EVENT IS.
WE END UP IN A BIG METROPOLITAN AREA AND THE COUNTY HAS A
LOT OF LAND, YOU WILL FIND 400,000 PEOPLE IN ONE AREA AND
THAT'S WHAT HE'S TRYING TO EXPLAIN IN A NICE WAY.
BUT I AM NOT A NICE GUY.
SO THAT'S HOW IT IS.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, LET'S COME TOGETHER AND LET'S COME
TO SOME AMICABLE AGREEMENT SO WE CAN ALL AND SERVE THE
PUBLIC TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
12:30:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT FEEDBACK BEFORE WE
VOTE BUT I WOULD RELY ON YOUR EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARD TO
GIVE THIS RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU MAKE THE MOTION I'LL SUPPORT IT.
12:30:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
YES, SIR?
THIS IS THE RESOLUTION.
12:30:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED THAT
THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT CHANGE.
12:30:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S JUST A LETTER.
12:30:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL.
BUT, I MEAN, MAYBE MR. CHAIRMAN FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY YOU
MIGHT WANT TO READ THE TITLE OF THE RESOLUTION, AND THAT
MIGHT JUST MAKE IT CLEAR.

AND IF THERE IS A RESPONSE OR A COMMENT EITHER WAY, BUT BE
PREPARED TO VOTE.
THAT WILL BE FINE.
12:31:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER ON IT BUT A
RESOLUTION SUPPORTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE HILLSBOROUGH
MPO/TPO 2022 -- LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
WE ARE CALLING IT THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION
BUT IT IS STILL LISTED LEGALLY AS THE MPO.
RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
MPO 2022 MEMBERSHIP APPOINTMENT PLAN FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
IS JURISDICTION SCHOOL BOARD, PLANNING COMMISSION AND
TRANSPORTATION OPERATING, BY INCREASING VOTING MEMBERSHIP TO
EIGHT VOTING MEMBERS -- EXCUSE ME -- 18 VOTING MEMBERS
THROUGH THE ADDITION OF ONE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSIONER
AND ONE CITY OF TAMPA MEMBER, TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:31:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE MR. CARLSON SECONDED THE
MOTION.
SOMEBODY DID.
12:32:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK DID BUT I DID
WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
THIS WILL BE SENT TO THE MPO.
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THIS IS GOING INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.
THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL, ALL SEVEN OF US, RECOMMENDATION TO
THE MPO.

12:32:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND IT MAY NEVER GET APPROVED.
12:32:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, AS FAR AS WE KNOW.
BUT I JUST WANT OUR VOICE TO BE HEARD ABOUT OUR
TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WE, THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FACE EVERY DAY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:32:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALTHOUGH I TAKE OFFENSE WE HAVE A MOTION.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
DO WE NEED A ROLE CALL?
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.
(ROLL CALL VOTE)
12:33:05PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH GUDES BEING
ABSENT.
12:33:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JOE LOPANO IN 2010 OUR AIRPORT DROPPED
BELOW THE TOP 10 DOMESTICALLY SO IT'S BEEN A BIG TURNAROUND.
12:33:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
KUDOS TO HIM.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:33:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ONLY AN HOUR.
I HAD PLANNED SOMETHING FOR WORK FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF
BECAUSE IF I HAD KNOWN THAT, I WOULD NOT HAVE APPROVED
12:30.
IS THAT OKAY?
12:33:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. ALDEN, BEFORE YOU WENT AWAY, I WANT TO
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS HERE.

AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY ISSUES.
WE HAVE YOU A TIME CERTAIN 1:30.
12:33:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN SETTLE ON 1:45.
12:34:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S DO 2:00.
(RECESS)
(TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECONVENES)
(ROLL CALL)
2:02:15PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:02:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL START BACK WITH THE STAFF REPORTS.
AGENDA ITEM 9.
ITEM NUMBER 9.
MS. FEELEY.
2:02:26PM >> ITEM NUMBER 9 IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING FUNDING
AGREEMENT FOR HOPWA FUND.
IT IS A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT EACH YEAR WITH A MILLION DOLLAR
AND BY GIVING TO THIS 3.25 MILLION MARK, SO.
2:03:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
MS. FEELEY.
2:03:12PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE.
2:03:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND IN THIS THREE YEAR PLAN HAVE WE PAID ANYTHING INTO IT?
2:03:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ALL OF OUR FUNDS ARE ALWAYS REIMBURSABLE
FUNDS SO THIS WAS ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT CAME DOWN, AND
THEY DO A GOOD JOB, TO GIVE ADDITIONAL MONEY, WHICH THEN

OBVIOUSLY NEEDS MORE WORK BUT THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR OF THE
AGREEMENT.
SO WE HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED THE FIRST TWO YEARS AND THIS
WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 30,000.
2:03:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PERFECT.
S MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:03:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:04:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:04:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:04:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:04:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:04:06PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA AND
GUDES BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
2:04:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, 22-7774.
2:04:17PM >> COUNCIL CHAIR, GOOD AFTERNOON.
CHUCK CONKLIN, DIRECTOR OF WEST MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
WITH ITEM NUMBER 10, SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, WASTE ENERGY
FACILITY, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR CONTRACT
WITH PUBLIC SERVICES TRASH DISPOSAL AT THE REPUBLIC SERVICES
LANDFILL LOCATED IN BARTOW, FLORIDA.
WE GENERATE ABOUT 70 TO 80,000 TONS OF ASH PER YEAR, SO THIS
IS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, $1,412,000 PER YEAR FOR THREE
YEARS, OR $4,238,400.

A PLACE TO DISPOSE OF THE ASH AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING
FOR.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
2:05:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:05:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:05:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:05:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:05:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:05:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:05:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:05:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:05:37PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:05:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 12.
FILE F-22-76699.
2:05:49PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
MR. SHELBY AND I ATTENDED A MEETING OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET
FINANCE COMMITTEE LAST FRIDAY, AND WE DISCUSSED THE CURRENT
RULES THAT PERTAIN TO THEM BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION, AND
MR. SHELBY AND I WORKED ON A DRAFT RESOLUTION TO INCORPORATE
YOUR COMMENTS AND HAVE IT FOR YOUR REVIEW.
WE ARE NOT ASKING THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TODAY BUT
JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE ANY
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS WE ARE BOTH AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THEM

OR MAKE CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME
CHANGES.
THERE IS A BLANK THERE FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES' APPOINTEE TO
THE COMMITTEE SINCE MR. DOBSON RESIGNED.
SO WE WILL BE NO POSITION AFTER QUESTIONS AN COMMENTS AND
GET THOSE INCORPORATED INTO THIS TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR
ADOPTION.
THIS IS TO READOPT IN TOTO, SO RULES WOULD BE APPLICABLE FOR
THIS COMMITTEE.
2:06:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:06:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOULD YOU WANT TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS FOR
THIS?
2:06:57PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT'S FINE.
2:06:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
2:07:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I WANT TO THANK MR. MASSEY FOR ALL THE WORK THAT HE PUT IN
ON THIS, AND I APPRECIATE ALL HIS EFFORTS.
I DID ATTEND MR. MASSEY A MEETING THIS PAST FRIDAY, AND I
THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING BASED ON -- HIS
COMMITTEE IS WORKING CLOSELY WITH MR. PERRY, THE BUDGET
OFFICER, WORKING OUT A WORK PLAN FOR THE COME YEAR.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE MEETING ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE IT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE, AND ALSO

CERTAINLY ON TRACK.
2:07:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHEN DID YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK?
2:07:50PM >> TWO WEEKS.
WOULD TWO WEEKS BE ENOUGH FOR YOU, MR. MASSEY?
2:07:55PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ABSOLUTELY.
2:07:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TWO WEEKS.
I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO TAKE ANY DISCUSSION.
THINK IT WILL BE JUST BE PRESENTING IT TO YOU ALL AND FOR
YOU ALL TO ADOPT IT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS WE ARE AVAILABLE AND
JUST FINALIZE IT.
2:08:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT, THEY DID ACTUALLY
REVIEW THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE, AND THE COMMITTEE'S
DECISION.
IF YOU WISH TO SEE THE MINUTES, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PREPARED
YET, BUT THE PURPOSE IS UNCHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS
ORDINANCE.
IS THAT CORRECT?
2:08:29PM >> THAT IS CORRECT.
2:08:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO BRING IT BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
2:08:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12?

NO, I'M SORRY, 13.
FILE CM 22-74052.
2:08:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
BEFORE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE COMING UP TO SPEAK ON SOME
THINGS THAT IS A REALLY BIG DEAL FOR OUR CITY OF TAMPA.
IT'S GOING TO BE 50 YEARS SINCE WE HIRED OUR FIRST TAMPA
POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS A WOMAN, AND THAT WAS THE LATE LENORA
BOOTH, AND I HAVE MR. RYAN SULLIVAN PUTTING UP A COUPLE OF
PICTURES.
THERE'S LENORA BOOTH WHEN SHE WAS SWORN IN.
THERE'S A PICTURE OF HER ALSO IN ABOUT 73 OR 74, SO
SOMETHING THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TODAY, AND CLARA REYNOLDS OF
THE CRISIS CENTER IS THE PROUD DAUGHTER OF LENORA BOOTH
PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT HER MOM AND SOMETHING THAT IS SO
IMPORTANT.
WE KNOW THAT ABOUT ONE IN SEVEN NATIONALLY OF POLICE
OFFICERS ARE WOMEN.
IT WASN'T ALWAYS LIKE THAT, AS FAR BACK AS 1987 THE NUMBER
WAS ABOUT 7.6%.
IT CONTINUES TO GO UP, LITTLE BY LITTLE BY LITTLE, BUT HERE
IN TAMPA WE HAVE OUR PIONEER OF OFFICER BOOTH, AND FOR ME,
WHEN I SAW THIS, THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE 50 YEAR
MARK, I WANTED TO USE A MEMORIAL CENTERING ON NOT JUST
LENORA BOOTH BUT OTHERS WHO WILL COME AFTER HER IN DIFFERENT
AREAS.

AN AFRICAN FEMALE OFFICER, A FEMALE OFFICER, ET CETERA,
ET CETERA.
FOR ME THIS IS ABOUT RESPECT FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS, THIS IS ABOUT RESPECT FOR THE JOURNEY THAT MANY
WOMEN HAVE TAKEN INCLUDING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND IN BEING
FIRST RESPONDERS.
NOW, I DID SOME RESEARCH, AND CLARA AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS
FOR LENORA BOOTH, WHO BECOMES THE FIRST WOMAN TO SERVE AS A
TAMPA POLICE OFFICER AT THE AGE OF 24.
SHE'S A USF GRADUATE, WOULD MAJOR IN PSYCHOLOGY.
SHE WOULD SERVE FOR 12 YEARS AS A TAMPA POLICE OFFICER, AND
INVESTIGATE SEX CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN, BECOME A DETECTIVE,
AND WAS PROMOTED TO A SERGEANT IN APRIL OF 1982.
SHE WAS ADAMANT THAT SHE DID NOT APPLY TO BECOME A PIONEER
BUT SHE HAPPENED TO BE A PIONEER BY VIRTUE OF WHAT SHE DID.
SHE TOOK ON MANY HIGH PROFILE ARRESTING CASES ALL OF WHICH
SHE WAS A PROTECTOR FOR PEOPLE WHO NEEDED PROTECTING,
PROTECTED THE COMMUNITY FROM DRUGS, PROTECTED THE COMMUNITY
FROM SEX OFFENDERS AND OTHER PEOPLE, RAPISTS, ET CETERA.
SOME OF THEM MORE HIGH PROFILE CASES INCLUDED 1974 WHEN SHE
ARRESTED A 17-YEAR-OLD NEAR BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL FOR RANGE A
14-YEAR-OLD.
A VERY DIFFICULT CASE TO TAKE ON. IN 1978 I WAS TALKING TO
CLARA ABOUT THIS.
SHE HAD A VERY INTERESTING CASE WHERE SHE AND ANOTHER

OFFICER DODGED AN AMBUSH, IT APPEARED, BY FRANCISCO JUNIOR
ALVAREZ.
THEY HAD GONE UNDERCOVER AND PURCHASED 1978, $360,000 WORTH
OF COCAINE.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
AND AS APPARENTLY THEY WERE LEAVING THE SCENE, I GUESS THE
DRUG DEALERS SAID, HEY, THESE ARE COPS, AND STARTED SHOOTING
AT THEIR CAR AND I'M SURE MR. MIRANDA REMEMBERS THAT, I'M
SURE.
I'M SURE HE REMEMBERS THAT AS WELL.
MANY OTHER FIRSTS INCLUDING POLICE MAJOR WAS THE TAMPA
FEMALE COMMANDER AT TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SHE WOULD CHALLENGE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S 5-FOOT 8
RESTRICTION AS A MINIMUM ON BEING HIRED.
THAT DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTS WOMEN, OBVIOUSLY.
SHE WAS ALSO A PIONEER, IN 1993 SHE TOLD REPORTERS SHE
SUFFERED FROM SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SHE WAS PUBLIC ABOUT THE
JOURNEY THAT SHE WOULD TAKE WHICH MANY WOMEN TOOK, OCTOBER
OF 2009, JANE CASTOR WOULD BECOME TAMPA'S FIRST FEMALE CHIEF
OF POLICE.
SO WHAT I WANT TO SEE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, IS A
MEMORIAL TO THOSE WOMEN POLICE OFFICERS WHO SERVED OVER THE
LAST FIFTY YEARS, MANY OF THE FIRST WITH A REAL SEXUAL --
ESSENTIAL EMPHASIS ON LENORA BOOTH WHO IS A TRUE PIONEER AND

TAMPA HERO, AND WE LOVE HER MEMORY SO THANK YOU THANK YOU,
MR. CHAIR.
[ APPLAUSE ]
2:13:35PM >> IF I MAY, THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH.
I AM SO GRATEFUL AND SO APPRECIATIVE FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
ON BEHALF OF MY MOTHER, WHO NEVER SAW HERSELF AS A PIONEER,
BUT AS SOMEONE WHO ALWAYS WANTED TO PAVE THE WAY.
I BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE PROUD, INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THIS HONOR
TODAY.
AND WHEN I THINK BACK ON THE SUCCESSES THE CITY OF TAMPA HAD
IN PROMOTING FEMALES TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF LEADERSHIP, AS
WE SAID, WITH CHIEF CASTOR WHO IS NOW MAYOR, CHIEF O'CONNOR,
WE THINK ABOUT CHIEF TRIPP, AND ALSO OUR OFFICER OF THE
MONTH, OUR CORPORAL.
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY,
TRULY, AND I KNOW IF MY MOTHER WAS HERE SHE WOULD BE AS
HONORED AS I AM TODAY TO STAND BEFORE YOU AND SAY THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
2:14:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
2:14:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
WERE YOU GOING TO SPEAK ON THE PLANS?
2:14:46PM >> I CAN.
MEGAN NEWCOMB WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MS. REYNOLDS AS WELL AS OTHER

MEMBERS OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE
ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE, TO
MEMORIALIZE OFFICER BOOTH AS WELL AS EVERY SINGLE TAMPA
POLICE OFFICER WHO HAS BEEN AN OUTSTANDING OFFICER AND A
WOMAN OVER THE LAST FIFTY YEARS, AND GOT PLENTY AS YOU SAW
THIS MORNING.
A DATE IN MARCH IS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, AND I CAN IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK BEFORE THEN TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE
DETAILS.
ESSENTIALLY WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A SUITABLE MEMORIAL.
2:15:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, I WILL MOTION FOR IT TO COME BACK AS A STAFF REPORT.
PROBABLY IN LIKE JANUARY OR SO.
2:15:42PM >>MEGAN NEWCOMB:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
2:15:48PM >> CAPTAIN KIMBERLY, HERE ON BEHALF OF CHIEF O'CONNOR, WHO
IS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU.
IT'S SUCH AN HONOR AND WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT, SO
THANK YOU.
2:15:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY, ONE LAST THING, I ALSO WANT TO
CONDITIONAL, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE, YOU ARE THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE CRISIS CENTER, AND WE HAVE TWO OTHER FOLKS
FROM THE CRISIS CENTER, AND IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND

INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, PLEASE, IF YOU WANT.
2:16:17PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:16:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY, MAY I MOTION TO COME BACK IN,
LET'S SEE, JANUARY 5th OF 2023.
2:16:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, FILE CM 22-72720.
2:17:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON THAT.
I'M FINE WITH THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:17:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE OR DID YOU WANT
TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT?
NO?
YOU ARE GOOD?
2:17:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO WE NEED TO MOVE A RECEIVE AND FILE?
2:17:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE, PLEASE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
WHERE ARE WE AT NOW?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22, FILE NUMBER E-2022 CHAPTER 8, 19 AND
26.

AND I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WANTED TO BRING
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 35 IN WITH THIS CONVERSATION.
2:18:03PM >>OCEA WYNN:
ADMINISTRATOR COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
COUNCIL, YOU ASKED I COME BEFORE YOU TO PRESENT AN
ANTI-LITTERING CAMPAIGN, AND I WANTED TO -- BEFORE I SHOW
YOU WHAT I HAVE TO SHOW YOU IS THAT OVER A YEAR AGO YOU
ASKED US QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO SIGNAGE OF LITTER, THEN WE
HAVE A 450, A $550 FINE FOR LITTERING, THEN FROM THERE WE
MOVED FORWARD TO SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHERE YOU ASKED FOR US
TO HAVE EDUCATION AND AWARENESS CAMPAIGN FOR LITTERING AS
WELL.
SO WHAT I PRESENTED BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A PRESENTATION, A
VIDEO THAT WE HAVE FOR AN ANT LITTERING CAMPAIGN THAT I
WOULD LIKE TO SHARE, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 35.
SO IF YOU CAN QUEUE UP THAT --
2:19:09PM >> EDUCATE OUR RESIDENTS OPT ANTI-LITTERING CAMPAIGN AT
TAMPA.GOV/KEEP IT CLEAN.
THIS IS FULL OF INFORMATION, FUN FACTS AND VIDEOS.
2:19:24PM >> NO ONE LIKES LITTER.
IT MAKES US LOOK TRASHY.
SO WE NEED YOUR HELP TO KEEP IT CLEAN, TAMPA.
2:19:32PM >> KEEP IT CLEAN IN OUR BAY.
2:19:35PM >> KEEP IT CLEAN IN OUR BUSINESSES.
2:19:37PM >> KEEP IT CLEAN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
2:19:39PM >> KEEP IT CLEAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

2:19:41PM >> KEEP IT CLEAN FOR OUR KIDS.
2:19:46PM >> KEEP IT CLEAN, TAMPA.
2:19:50PM >> IT INCLUDES INFORMATION ON HOW RESIDENTS CAN GET
INVOLVED, OPTIONS FOR REPORTING A COUPLE ULTIMATED TRASH AND
OTHER RELATED CONCERNS, AS WELL AS INFORMATION ON THE CITY
OF TAMPA'S LITTER ORDINANCE.
VIDEOS HAVE ALSO BEEN CREATED TO HELP RAISE AWARENESS OF THE
CITY'S LITTER FINES.
2:20:10PM >> I CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE WOULD LITTER IN OUR BEAUTIFUL
NEIGHBORHOOD.
2:20:19PM >> I KNOW.
WE WORK SO HARD TO KEEP IT CLEAN.
2:20:21PM >> LITTERING ISN'T JUST TRASH.
IT'S ALSO BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND CAN BE HARMFUL TO WILD
LIVE.
2:20:29PM >> YOU CAN GET A $450 FINE FOR LITTERING.
2:20:32PM >> OH, MAN!
2:20:34PM >> KEEP IT CLEAN, TAMPA.
2:20:35PM >> USE YOUR PART AND PUT LITTER IN ITS PLACE.
LEARN MORE AND SEE OHIO YOU CAN GET INVOLVED AT
TAMPA.GOV/KEEP IT CLEAN.
2:20:44PM >> IT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS WHAT CITY DEVELOPMENTS ARE DOING TO
KEEP TAMPA CLEAN.
UPCOME CLEANING EVENTS WILL BE POSTED TO THE WEB PAGE AS
THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.

VIDEOS LIKE THE ONE SHOWN AS WELL AS HAVE ALSO BEEN SHARED
ON THE CITY'S SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS AS PART OF THE CITY'S
ANTI-LITTERING EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.
2:21:05PM >> HEY, LET'S KEEP IT CLEAN AROUND HERE.
2:21:19PM >> IT ALSO COMES WITH UP TO A $450 FINE.
2:21:23PM >> PLUS IT'S BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND HARMFUL TO ALL
WILDLIFE.
2:21:26PM >> PUT LITTER IN ITS PLACE.
LEARN MORE AND SEE HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED AT
TAMPA.GOV/KEEP IT CLEAN.
2:21:33PM >> SO WITH THE HELP OF OUR KEEP IT CLEAN TEAM WE ARE ABLE TO
COLLECT ALL OF THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER TO PROVIDE A
FUN-FILLED AVENUE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BRING AWARENESS AND
EDUCATION TO OUR LITTERING ISSUES, AND FINES ASSOCIATED WITH
LITTERING.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE AND
CONTINUE TO HAVE WITH KEEP TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL, OVER THE
LAST YEAR.
WE HAVE REMOVED ALMOST 250,000 POUNDS OF LITTER AND DEBRIS.
WE REMOVED ALMOST 1500 POUNDS OF INVASIVE SPECIES, AS WELL
AS ADMINISTERED 52 ADOPTION CONTRACTS.
THESE ARE THE CONTRACTS WITH GROUPS ADOPTING AN AREA.
SO THESE GROUPS COMMIT TO FOUR CLEAN-UPS A YEAR IN THE
SPECIFIC AREAS THAT THEY HAVE ADOPTED.
DIMLY, THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS THAT WE HAVE REMOVED FROM OUR

WATERWAYS HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST -- FROM JULY TO THE
BEGINNING OF OCTOBER, THE LAST QUARTER, HAS BEEN 16,000
POUNDS.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE THE CAMPAIGN, BUT WE ARE MOVING IT MORE
FROM JUST CITY FOCUSED, EDUCATION AND CLEAN-UP PROCESS, AND
MOVING MORE INTO THE COMMUNITIES.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE WILL BE USING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS TO FORM A LITTERING TASK FORCE.
SO THROUGH DIRECTOR MIGUEL, WE WILL HAVE THOSE GOING IN
THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND GETTING THE
NEIGHBORHOODS, GETTING THE PUBLIC INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN
AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS?
2:23:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:23:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION
AND FOR THE VIDEO.
EVERYBODY GOT INVOLVED MAKING PART OF THAT.
VERY, VERY GOOD.
AND WHAT I DO LIKE IT LINKS TO A WEBSITE THAT SHOWS YOU PER
STATUTE OR PER THE CODE HOW THE FINES ACCRUE OR WHAT HAPPENS
FIRST, SECOND, THIRD-TIME OFFENSE.
I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING THIS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, GET PEOPLE
MORE INVOLVED.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT.
I KNOW IT MY MOTION.
BECAUSE I COULD MAKE THE MOTION, EVERYBODY ELSE DID THE
WORK.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
INITIATED THIS, AND REALLY IT WAS INSPIRED BY SEVERAL
COMMUNITY LEADERS, ONE WHO WAS HERE THIS MORNING, WHO GOES
UP AND DOWN THE RIVER PICKING UP TRASH IN HIS KAYAK OR GOES
OUT WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, PICKING UP TRASH, OR WHEREVER
THEY ARE AT.
BUT THEY ARE VERY PROACTIVE IN DOING THAT.
SO AGAIN, I LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING THIS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND
I APPRECIATE MAKING THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE WE HAVE A SERIOUS
LITTERING SITUATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND I AM SURE YOU ARE GOING TO GO INTO THIS BUT ITEM NUMBER
35 WHICH IS WHY WE ARE ASKED TO SPEND $100,000, WITH AN
OUTSIDE FIRM.
AND THE REASON I SAID BEFORE YOU BEGIN IS, I AM FULLY
CONFIDENT, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE BEST AND THE
BRIGHTEST IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND WHY DO WE NEED TO GO
OUTSIDE WHEN THE BEST PEOPLE ARE ALREADY HERE?
2:25:24PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.
WHILE WE ARE STILL ON NUMBER 24, I WOULD LIKE TO -- ITEM
NUMBER 35 IS PART OF AN ETA GRANT, $500,000 GRANT.
AND PART OF THE GRANT IS A CARVE-OUT THAT WILL PROVIDE THE

EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM FOR THE TAX-FREE BASE CASE STUDY.
SO EPA HAS TASKED THE AWARDEES WITH IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS
IN THE CITY THAT ARE COLLECTION AREAS.
ONCE THOSE AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED, THEN THE NEXT STEP IS TO DO
AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN AROUND THOSE AREAS.
SO THIS IS PART OF A GRANT, FUNDS THAT ARE USED.
THERE WAS A QUESTION THIS MORNING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT IS
PROVIDING THE WORK NOT BEING PART OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, NOT
BEING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THE WOMAN WHO WON THE GRANT IS WOMEN OWNED CERTIFIED AND IS
A LOCAL WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS?
2:27:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THIS --
2:27:13PM >>OCEA WYNN:
THAT'S ODESSA.
AND SHE ACTUALLY HAS THE LOCAL AREA HERE OFFICE HERE ON
KENNEDY.
2:27:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
SO IT'S NOT THE COUNTY.
2:27:28PM >>OCEA WYNN:
NO, SIR.
IT'S ODESSA ON KENNEDY.
2:27:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING THIS WITH THE PUBLIC ON SOCIAL
MEDIA.
I KNOW THE COMMENTS ARE GOING TO BE, WELL, AT LEAST WE ARE

MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING, I THINK.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED, WHILE WE ARE MAKING THESE
MOTIONS, AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN, BEFORE WE WENT STRAIGHT TO
ENFORCEMENT SO THAT WAS A WONDERFUL SUGGESTION BY HER THAT
WE ARE DOING, AND OUR STAR, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IN THE
VIDEO.
THAT'S GREAT.
2:28:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I LOVE THE IDEA OF A CAMPAIGN.
I LOVE THAT.
BUT THIS ISN'T VERY MEMORABLE.
LIKE HOW MANY OF YOU WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA?
ANYBODY?
OKAY.
KEEP IT IN THE CAN.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SLOGAN ALREADY.
IT NEED TO BE CATCHY.
IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REMEMBER.
AND I HATE TO SAY MAKE IT RHYME, BUT REALLY MAKE IT RHYME.
NO, SERIOUSLY.
PUT IT IN THE CAN.
AND NOW RECYCLE IS PUT IT IN THE CAN, BE A GATOR FAN.
SO THEY CAN FEED ON THAT AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS
IF YOU WANT TO GET PEOPLE REALLY INVOLVED YOU HAVE TO MAKE
IT MORE TECHY.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT.
I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE NUMBER 35 BEFORE WE DO THAT TO START
YOUR GROUP, TO START YOUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE AS MR. HATCH MENTIONED THIS MORNING WE
CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.
SO BEFORE WE SPEND $100,000, SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO
SAY.
I WOULD HAVE RECOMMENDED THE SAME THING BEFORE REALLY
ROLLING OUT THIS ENTIRE THING, JUST TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY
AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS KIND OF -- I MEAN, ACTUALLY LOVE --
CAN WE COME UP WITH A SLOGAN THAT CENTERS AROUND THAT?
THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS TAMPA ISN'T TRASHY BUT
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD ONE.
THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED MANY WAYS.
BUT SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, I DON'T KNOW --
2:29:53PM >>OCEA WYNN:
AND WE CAN GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED.
2:29:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY HELP BECAUSE ONCE
THIS GOT OUT I GOT MULTIPLE E-MAILS SAYING THAT NO, WE CAN
DO THIS AND WE CAN DO THAT.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY CAN DO AN AWESOME JOB WITH THAT.
AND I LOVE THE ENERGY BEHIND IT.
I JUST THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MAKE IT REALLY
SING.
2:30:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:30:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU KNOW, MY OTHER JOB IS MARKETING,

COMMUNICATION.
YOU DIDN'T GO THROUGH IT BUT THE SAME THING WITH THE CRA
LOGO.
ANY CREATIVE SHOULD HAVE A BRIEF THAT'S BASED ON THE
STRATEGY THAT'S BEING USED.
AND IN THIS CASE, IT COMES WITH A LOT OF HEADACHES, BUT ONE
OF THEM IS SOCIAL MARKETING OR BEHAVIORAL CHANGE IN
COMMUNICATION.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF SCIENCE BEHIND IT.
I'M SURE THAT I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THIS TOPIC BUT THERE'S
GOT TO BE A LOT OF SCIENCE BEHIND GETTING PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED -- IF SOMETHING REMEMBERS IT
WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY PUT THE GARBAGE IN THE TRASH CAN OR
WHATEVER.
WHATEVER THE CREATIVE IS, IF YOU ALL COME BACK, IT WOULD BE
GOOD TO KNOW WHAT THE BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE WAS BEHIND IT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE LOGO, I ASSUME THAT'S BASED ON SOME
BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE THAT SAYS YOU WANT TO CREATE TRASH WITH
SOMETHING THAT'S DANGEROUS.
SO IF IT'S SOMEBODY TRYING TO CREATE IT WITH SOME KIND OF
TAMPA PIRATE THING.
IF WE NEED THE SCIENCE BEHIND IT THEN IT WOULD MAKE REVIEW
OF IT SUBJECTIVE AND ULTIMATELY SEE WHETHER PEOPLE ACTED ON
IT OR NOT.
2:31:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?

THANK YOU.
2:31:59PM >>MCLANE EVANS:
ITEM NUMBER 35, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT
THAT A $1,000 GRANT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN MARCH.
IT WAS A THREE YEAR TIMELINE MUCH IF NOT SPENT BY THE END OF
2024 WE LOSE IT.
IT HAS SPECIFIC DELIVERABLES THAT HAVE TO BE MET BECAUSE OF
NEEDING COUNCIL APPROVAL.
THE BID PROCESS, LOOKING AT VENDORS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU
AWARE THERE'S A TIMELINE, AND IF WE DON'T MEET IT WE ARE
POTENTIALLY IN BREACH OF OUR AGREEMENT.
2:32:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
DOES STAFF NEED A MOTION?
2:32:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, IT DOES.
[OFF MICROPHONE]
NUMBER 35.
2:32:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SINCE THAT'S COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S
COMMITTEE I WAS GOING TO ASK IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE
MOTION OR SAVE IT WITH HER ITEMS SHE WILL BE MOVING LATER
ON.
2:33:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN DO IT NOW.
2:33:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO
PAY THE FINE, DON'T MAKE TRASH FINE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
2:33:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
WHICHEVER YOU PREFER, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

2:33:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, I WOULD REALLY LOVE FOR YOU TO GET IT
STARTED WITH NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVEMENT BEFORE COMING UP WITH
A PLAN, BECAUSE IF WE COME UP WITH A PLAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER
WHEN THE DEADLINE IS.
WE ARE JUST SPENDING MONEY TO SPEND MONEY.
AND I WOULD REALLY PREFER THAT THE COMMUNITY BE A PART OF
THAT, BECAUSE $500,000 FOR A TRASH CAMPAIGN -- BUT IF WE
DON'T HAVE THE COMMUNITY I AM PUT.
SO IF WE COULD POSSIBLY BRING THAT BACK IN FEBRUARY?
IS THAT ENOUGH TIME TO PROBABLY GET SOMETHING STARTED?
2:34:13PM >> THE GRANT HAS QUARTERLY REPORTING TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, AND SO FORTH FIRST THREE QUARTERINGS AT THIS
POINT IT'S BEEN NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, AND THERE WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE DELIVERABLES.
AND THIS FIRST $100,000 IS FOR THE ASSESSMENT, MY
UNDERSTANDING IS -- I AM NOT THE EXPERT IN THIS.
I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE ONLY ONE AVAILABLE -- IT'S FOR
ASSESSMENT OF EXISTING DATA FROM D.O.T. AND KEEP THE RIVER
BEAUTIFUL AND OTHER SOURCES THAT ALREADY HAVE DATA ON THE
ORIGINAL NATION OF TRASH, SO THAT THEY CAN TARGET THE
SOURCES.
AND THEN I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LEAVE -- READ THE DETAILS
OF THE RESOLUTION FROM MARCH 3rd, ALSO INCLUDED AS
BACKUP, BUT IT HAS OUTREACH, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE LIKE 600
CONTACTS OR SOMETHING BY THE CLOSE OF THE GRANT.

SO THIS IS FOR THE FIRST TASK.
AND THEN THE NEXT TASK IS REALLY WHAT WAS LIKE THE BURDEN OF
THE WORK SO YOU ARE REALLY BURNING UP A LOT OF TIME TO GO
TILL FEBRUARY.
2:35:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO YOU ARE BASICALLY SAYING THAT THIS MONEY
HAS TO BE SPENT OR TRASHED.
2:35:36PM >> WE HAVE A CONTRACT OBLIGATION.
IF WE BREECH THE CONTRACT WE RETURN THE MONEY TO THE EPA OR
WE COMPLY WITH WHAT WE AGREED TO DO.
2:35:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY.
SO THEN MOVED --
2:35:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I AM NOT AN
EXPERT ON NONE OF THIS STUFF, AND I AM NOT CRITICIZING
WHAT'S HERE NOW, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO THROW A CAN IN A
PAPER AND IMAGE OF A MOUSE THAT SAYS WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO
SAY BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT RELATED TO SOMETHING.
AND AMERICA, EVERYTHING IS FREE INCLUDING THROWING YOUR
TRASH AWAY.
NO MATTER WHAT ROUTE YOU TAKE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY YOU ARE
GOING TO FIND THAT ALL OVER.
AND THE HIGHWAY.
ONLY DRIVE A LITTLE BIT FROM ARMENIA TO DOWNTOWN AND EVERY
OTHER DAY SWEEPERS PICKING UP THINGS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD
BECAUSE PEOPLE THROW EVERYTHING OUT THE WINDOW.
IT'S A HABIT.

2:36:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR SAVE IT FOR
LATER?
2:36:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
2:36:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S SAVE IT TILL LATER WITH YOUR OTHER
MOTIONS.
MS. WYNN, WHO REALLY NODES TO BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE, FDOT.
SOME OF THE PLACES IN THIS TOWN THAT HAS THE LARGEST
ACCUMULATION OF TRASH ALONG ENTRANCE AND EXIT RAMPS.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER PEOPLE ARE THROWING IT OUT THE WINDOW
ORB JUST DRIVING DOWN THE INTERSTATE OR PEOPLE WALKING BY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT MUCH GARBAGE IN ONE SPOT THAN ALONG OUR
ENTRANCES AND EXITS.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT THE FDOT CONTRACTS, BUT
IN MY OPINION, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM GO TO THE WASTE
TREATMENT, THOUSANDS OF TONS OF GARBAGE WE ARE BURNING OUT
THERE?
IT'S AMAZING.
THANK YOU, MS. WYNN, FOR YOUR REPORT.
2:37:53PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES.
2:37:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE DOWN TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 28, I
BELIEVE, IS THAT CORRECT?
23.
ALL RIGHT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23.
CM 22-77617.

2:38:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK WE CONTINUED THAT TILL 10-27.
2:38:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TAKE IT NOW, PLEASE.
2:38:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS MORNING, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ASKED FOR
THE DISCUSSION TO BE DELAYED AND MARTY SAID HE HAD SOMETHING
HE WANTED TO PRESENT.
2:38:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE NOW.
2:39:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS WAS A REAL EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE
CLERK AND I WANT TO THANK THE CITY CLERK SHIRLEY
FOXX-KNOWLES FOR THE EFFORT THEY PUT IN.
EVERY COUNCILMEMBER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A BINDER THAT GIVES
YOU THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
THEY ALSO DID SOMETHING THAT I ASKED THEM TO DO ON THE BASIS
OF SOMETHING THAT I PULLED FROM MY FILE WHICH IS 18 YEARS
OLD.
I AM GOING TO SHOW IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN SEE PAM IORIO IS THE MAYOR, DATED AUGUST 26 OF 2004.
PER YOUR REQUEST I RESEARCHED MY RECORDS FROM SHIRLEY
FOXX-KNOWLES, THE CITY CLERK AT THE TIME, CITY CLERK TODAY,
REGARDING AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE CHARTER OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE PERIOD FROM JANUARY 26, 1989 TO
SEPTEMBER 12, 2002 AND ALSO ATTACHED EACH ORDINANCE TO THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PASS THAT OUT.
THERE WAS TALK ABOUT RELYING SOLELY ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION, WHICH WAS NOT CREATED UNTIL THE VOTERS ACCEPTED

THAT ON THE BALLOT WHICH WAS PLACED THERE BY THE CITY
COUNCIL AT THE TIME FOR THEM TO ADOPT WHETHER TO ADOPT THE
CONCEPT OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND ONE OF THE
MAJOR GOALS OF HAVING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS TO
PUT WITHIN THE CHARTER A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS THE PERIODIC
ROW VIEWS, BUT THAT DOESN'T BAR YOU UNDER THE CHARTER OR
STATE STATUTE FROM PASSING ORDINANCES AT ANY TIME DURING AN
ELECTION OR SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE ABLE TO PUT BEFORE THE
VOTERS A QUESTION TO AMEND THE CHARTER.
PARTICULARLY SOMETHING THAT IS PRESSING, SOMETHING THAT IS
NEEDED, AND SOMETHING THAT YOU AS CITY COUNCIL WANT TO BE
ABLE TO PUT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS TO AMEND THE CHARTER.
SO IT'S A FASCINATING DISCUSSION.
IT SHOWS THE ORDINANCE NUMBER, THE DESCRIPTION, WHETHER
ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL, THE DATE THE ELECTION WAS HELD, AND
THE VOTE.
AND ACTUALLY, COUNCIL, WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH IT, SOME OF
THEM WERE DEFEATED, AND FRANKLY I BELIEVE THERE WAS AT LEAST
ONE OF THEM THAT WAS VETOED BY THE MAYOR.
SO THE FACT IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THE
SYSTEM, BUT EVERY CHARTER AMENDMENT UP UNTIL THIS POINT TO
THE CREATION OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WENT BEFORE
THE VOTERS BY ORDINANCE OF THIS BOARD.
SO I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE MADE CLEAR, AND SO YOU CAN HAVE
THE BENEFIT OF SEEING WHAT PREVIOUS CITY COUNCILS HAVE DONE,

WHAT THEY BROUGHT BEFORE THE VOTERS AND WHAT THE RESULT WAS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BY THE WAY, I DID FORWARD A COPY OF THIS TO THE CITY
ATTORNEY AS WELL.
2:42:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:42:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY, CAN YOU PLEASE E-MAIL IT TO US SO WE
HAVE IT ELECTRONICALLY?
2:42:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S ON MY DESKTOP READY TO SEND.
2:42:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT THE CHARTER THE LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO
MODIFY THE CHARTER, THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE
COMMUNITY, I THINK SOMEBODY MESSED WITH US, SAID YOU NEED TO
FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
CHARTER REVIEW SAYS THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS TO MODIFY THE
CHARTER.
CITY COUNCIL CAN DO IT AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF
EXPERIENCE FROM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ON HERE, AND THE
OTHER IS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, WHICH WE AS THE
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PUT IN THE CHARTER FOR THE VOTERS.
BUT IN EITHER OF THOSE CHOICES EACH WHEN WE MEET IN OUR
WORKSHOP, EVEN IF WE SUGGEST FOLLOWING THE CHARTER EVEN IF
CITY COUNCIL SUGGESTS MODIFYING THE CHARTER, IT STILL HAS TO
GO TO THE VOTERS.
THE VOTERS ULTIMATELY HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO.
BUT THERE'S A THIRD WAY THAT THE CHARTER HAS BEEN MODIFIED,

AND I WOULD JUST ASK ALL OF YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT, AND IT IS
THROUGH THE OPINIONS OF CITY ATTORNEYS.
CITY COUNCIL CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION HAVE TO GO TO THE
VOTERS TO GET THE CHARTER CHANGED.
BUT WE HAVE SEEN OPINIONS BY FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS THAT
RADICALLY CHANGE THE CHARTER.
ONE OF THEM IS THE ONE THAT SAYS THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
HAS THE RIGHT TO SETTLE LAWSUITS, APPROVE THE CONTRACT OF
LAWSUIT, AND THEN WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
CLEARLY THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.
IT'S NOT WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
ANOTHER ONE IS THAT ONLY THE MAYOR HAS THE RIGHT TO NAME
BUILDINGS.
AND THERE ARE OTHERS.
AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS RELYING ON THOSE OPINIONS AS IF
THEY WERE FROM A JUDGE.
AS I SAID THIS MORNING, IF WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S LEGAL TEAM AND IF YOU OR I HIRE A LAWYER
ON OUR OWN YOU CAN CHALLENGE IT AND YOU CAN ASK THEM
QUESTIONS.
THIS CITY IS ACTING A LOT LIKE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS THE
JUDICIAL BRANCH OF THE CITY AND IT ISN'T.
THEY ARE LEGAL ADVISORS.
YOUR ONLY CHOICES TORE GO TO OUTSIDE ATTORNEY WHICH NOBODY
TRUSTS BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S HANDLED.

WHEN YOU GO TO A JUDGE, WHICH REALLY REQUIRES A LAWSUIT.
OR YOU COULD GO TO AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OR SOME THIRD PARTY.
SO MY POINT IS NOT TO REVIEW ALL THE CASES RIGHT NOW AND I
DON'T WANT TO REVIEW THAT CASE, BUT THE POINT IS FROM MY
COLLEAGUES TO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE WE NOT ONLY HAVE
TO WORK AT POTENTIALLY MODIFYING THE CHARTER, WE HAVE GOT TO
CLEAN UP SOME OF THESE OPINIONS THAT ARE SILTING OUT HERE
THAT CHANGE THE CHARTER WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL AND CHANGE
THE CHARTER WITH ONE OR TWO PARAGRAPHS BY A CITY ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU.
2:44:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SHIRLEY.
ABSOLUTELY.
2:45:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I HAVE TO PHILOSOPHICALLY NO PROBLEM WITH CITY COUNCIL
SEEKING TO AMEND THE CHARTER THROUGH VOTERS.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, DO IT
WITHOUT -- IN A WAY THAT IS REACTIVE AND CONTEMPLATION, ET.
THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO SAY NO CHARTER AMENDMENTS OUTSIDE
OF THE EVERY TEN YEAR PROCESS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE
REASONABLE WAY TO GO FORWARD.
THINK THERE ARE SOME PROPOSED ONES THAT MERIT SERIOUS
CONSIDERATION OR THAT I WOULD SUPPORT.
I TALKED ABOUT ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, PATTERNED AFTER THE

27th AMENDMENT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN TERMS
OF FINDING ONE SITUATION THAT MAY BE INTERPRETED ONE WAY OR
THE OTHER, AND USING IT TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE A CHARTER
PROVISION THAN WITHIN OUR CHARTER.
I DON'T -- A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY OUR CITY OF TAMPA CHARTER
ACTS LIKE THE CONSTITUTION.
NO, I NOT.
IT IS A CONSTITUTION BUT IT'S NOT TO BE GIVEN DEFERENCE LIKE
THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
WE CAN AMEND IT, RIGHT?
THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
WE CAN LIBERALLY AMEND IT IF WE WANT THROUGH SPECIFIC
PROVISIONS.
HOWEVER, IT'S SOMETHING WITH SOME CONSIDERATION, ET CETERA.
I WOULD FAVOR GOING FORWARD BUT I AM NOT FOR SPECIFIC
AMENDMENT WITHOUT GIVING IT DUE THOUGHT AND CONSIDERATION.
2:46:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS
INFORMATION, MR. SHELBY, BECAUSE IT'S FASCINATING TO SEE THE
HISTORY GOING BACK TO I THINK 1989, 1990 OR SO, AND THE
CHANGES THAT WERE INTENDED AND THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE
PASSED OR NOT PASSED OR VETOED.
JUST FOR MY OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE, I APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I NEVER THOUGHT OF BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT
THE 1970 CHARTER AND THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT CAME
FORWARD AND CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.

BUT I NEVADA REALLY STUDIED THIS MUCH INFORMATION.
THANK YOU.
2:47:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:47:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU KNOW, POWER HAS A WAY OF CHANGING PEOPLE.
POWER HAS A WAY OF CHANGE.
THIS COUNCIL IS EMPOWERED TO DO A JOB.
YOU ARE A LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.
AS A PERSON WHO SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW, WE DIDN'T AGREE
ON EVERYTHING BUT IT CAME TO COMPROMISE.
WHEN I LOOK BACK ON THOSE DAYS THAT I SAT UP THERE, AND WHEN
ONE WAS READ I DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DID, MAYBE WE DID NOT.
BUT NOW ACTUALLY SITTING IN THIS POSITION, NOW YOU HAVE THAT
EXPERIENCE, AND I HAVE HAD THE EXPERIENCE AND SEEING SOME OF
THE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE US AND SOME OF THE OPINIONS, AND
SOME CLARITY SOMETIMES, AND, WELL, I HAVE A PROBLEM, OHIO DO
WE GET FACTS TO FIND OUT WHAT IT SHOULD BE INTERPRETED AS?
BECAUSE ONE WORN ONE INTERPRETATION CAN BE FORMED.
AND THOSE WHAT I SEE SOMETIMES WHEN WE GO FOR A CHARTER
AMENDMENT, SOMEONE'S INTERPRETATION.
AND THE BALANCE OF POWER SHIFTS.
THAT'S WHEN THE INVITE COMES IN.
WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE BALANCE OF THE HOUSE.

IT'S TWO FORMS OF GOVERNMENT.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON
THAT I BELIEVE NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND TWEAKED BECAUSE THE
VOTERS QUESTION IT AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS, MR. SHELBY, TWO OR THREE
THINGS NOW THAT I AM SERIOUS ABOUT LOOKING, TALK WITH THIS
COUNCIL WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORKSHOP MAKING SURE BECAUSE WE
HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE SAY IS
RIGHT AND WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS IS RIGHT, AND NOT AN OPINION
OR INTERPRETATION.
2:49:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCIL MEMBERS SUBMITTED TO YOU OR TO LEGAL ON WHAT CHARTER
CHANGES THEY ARE LOOKING AT?
2:49:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
INDIVIDUALLY, NO, BUT AS THEY COME UP ON
THE DAIS THEY HAVE MADE COMMENTS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO
DISCUSS THIS WHEN IT COMES UP, AND I MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
2:50:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN RELATION TO ANY REQUESTS THAT MAY BE
MADE, CAN YOU CHECK AND SEE WHICH ONES WERE VOTED UP OR DOWN
THAT THEY MAY CORRELATE WITH WHAT IS BEING ASKED UP HERE AND
WHAT WAS ASKED OF CHARTER REVIEW?
2:50:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OH, WHAT'S COMING UP NOW IS NOT
NECESSARILY ANYTHING THAT WAS RAISED AT THE CHARTER REVIEW.
IT IT'S ALL NEW INTERPRETATIONS OR INTERPRETATIONS OF THE
NEW LANGUAGE AND SEEING ULTIMATELY WHAT EFFECT IT MIGHT
HAVE.

2:50:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
2:50:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. SHELBY, IN REFERENCE TO THE WORKSHOP, HAVE YOU EMPLOYED
THAT INDIVIDUAL STILL OR THAT PERSON -- HOW IS THAT GOING?
2:50:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE TIME NOW, WE CAN
TALK ABOUT IT OR HOLD IT TILL NEW BUSINESS.
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE MEETING.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY.
2:50:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU CAN TELL US.
2:50:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT PERSON WAS ORIGINALLY CONTRACTED FROM
NINE TO NOON.
IF YOU WANT THAT PERSON TO STAY THE ENTIRE DAY IT WOULD COST
AN ADDITIONAL $1650.
THEY ARE READY FOR COUNCIL TO SAY HOW THEY WANT TO GO,
WHETHER THEY WANT THEM FOR THE MORNING, WHETHER THEY WANT
THEM FOR THE WHOLE DAY, OR IF IT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION NOT TO
HAVE IT.
I WOULD HAVE TO FROM THEM AND WE WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE HOW
MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT THUS FAR ON PREPARATIONS FOR THE
WORKSHOP.
2:51:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
IF YOU HAVE THIS INFORMATION YOU NEED TO GET THAT TO US SO
WE CAN ACT UPON IT.
IF IT NEED TO BE DONE, YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW THIS IS YOUR
RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN VOTE UP OR DOWN.

2:51:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, SIR, I HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT I
JUST LITERALLY FOUND THIS OUT YESTERDAY AND I TOLD THEM THAT
I WOULD HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THEM BY THE END OF THIS MEETING
TODAY.
AND I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
YOU CAN EITHER DECIDE IT NOW OR DECIDE IT LATER AND MOVE
ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOUR CALL.
2:52:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION?
2:52:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR YOU TO DECIDE
WHETHER YOU WANT IT FROM NINE TO NOON AND IF SO YOU CAN HAVE
THE FACILITATOR FOR THE PRICE THAT'S ALREADY NEGOTIATED.
IF YOU WANT THAT PERSON AVAILABLE FOR THE WHOLE DAY THAT
PERSON WILL COST AN EXTRA $1650.
IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
AND THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS, COUNCILMAN GUDES, ONE OF
THE REASONS THAT I WAS IN FAVOR OF A FACILITATOR IS BECAUSE
UNLESS YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR MY RECOMMENDATION, I DON'T
WANT TO PLAY A ROLE, BUT I AM HAPPY TO OFFER IT.
2:52:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COMMON SENSE TO ME, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO
A JOB, I AM GOING TO PREPARE FOR THE WHOLE DAY.
I AM GOING TO CLEAR FOR THE WHOLE DAY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHARTER REVIEW.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND
HAVE IT SECURED FOR A WHOLE DAY.

2:52:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, IS THAT A MOTION?
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:53:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, I SUPPORT THAT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE -- WE WANT TO HAVE A
MEETING ON THIS VERY PASSIONATE SUBJECT THAT IS RUN AS
EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE AND NOT HAVE IT ON OUR CHAIR WHO
DOES A FINE JOB, BY THE WAY, BUT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON
ANY CHAIR.
I THINK TO GIVE TO THE ANOTHER PERSON BEING PAID BY THE
HOUR, I THINK, IS A SMART IDEA.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
2:53:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:53:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS I
PROPOSED A PROCESS WHICH I THINK WE VOTED INTO BEING PART OF
THAT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GIVE THAT PROCESS TO THE
FACILITATOR, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS FACILITY FAITH OR BUT
SOME FACILITATORS TRY TO UTILIZE FANCY THINGS TO DO TEAM
BUILDING AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
THIS NEEDS TO BE A VERY EFFICIENT PROCESS WHERE I THINK WHAT
WE AGREED WAS THAT EACH OF US WILL PRESENT AN IDEA, WE'LL
DISCUSS IT BRIEFLY, AND THEN WE'LL VOTE IT UP OR DOWN.

AND WE ALSO SAY IN THIS CASE IT WOULD NEED SUPER MAJORITY
BECAUSE IT WOULD NEED APPROVAL AND THAT'S THE SAME THING
THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL DID LAST TIME.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GIVE THAT PROCESS TO THE
FACILITATOR, AND LET'S SAY, WE WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A
CHANCE TO TALK BUT IT SHOULD GO FAST.
IT SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF STRENUOUS STUFF.
2:54:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:54:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE WITH THAT.
THE ONLY THING THAT I PUT MY MIND ON IS THE VETO, BECAUSE I
THINK 4 TO 3, COUNTY STILL GO TO THE MAYOR AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THAT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, SAYS
SOMETHING.
SO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER -- WELL, IF IT COMES BACK TO US,
THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
BUT I STILL THINK 4 TO 3 IS A PRETTY GOOD MEASURE.
IT STILL SHOWS A MAJORITY SUPPORT FROM THE COUNCIL.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD MAKE.
BUT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE, LET'S HAVE HER ALL DAY.
2:55:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I A ADDRESS THAT VERY BRIEFLY?
ACTION OF COUNCIL REQUIRES FOUR VOTES.
SIMPLE MAJORITY SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE MAYOR NOT TO VETO.
BUT A VOTE OF 4 CAN STILL GO TO THE MAYOR AND AGAIN THE
REMEDY FOR THE MAYOR IS PROVIDED FOR IN THE CHARTER, AND

IT'S CALLED A VETO.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY THAT I PROVIDED YOU, THERE
WAS A CASE WHERE IT WAS VETOED AND THAT VETO WAS NOT
OVERRIDDEN.
SO THERE IS A PROCESS OF A VOTE OF 4 BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE
I WOULD ASK YOU TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THAT NOW SO YOU
CAN INFORM THE FACILITATOR ABOUT HOW TO DO IT.
WHETHER YOU WANT FIVE VOTES OR FOUR.
2:55:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND WE CAN STILL OVERRIDE.
2:55:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ALREADY HAVE ONE MOTION NOT VOTED ON, A
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WOULD SOMEONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE THE VOTE ON FOUR OR FIVE?
2:56:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
2:56:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
2:56:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WAS THAT CLEAR TO YOU, MADAM CLERK?
2:56:25PM >>THE CLERK:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
2:56:33PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:56:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
REALLY YOU ARE SAYING FOUR VOTES.
2:56:36PM >> FOUR VOTES.
2:56:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES,
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANYTIME FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR?

THANK YOU.
2:56:50PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
2:56:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:56:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST ONE MORE THING REAL QUICKLY.
I MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO A SPECIFIC CASE ABOUT THE
FORMER CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION ON CITY ATTORNEY SIGNING
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS AND THEN PAYING THEM.
AND IN THAT CASE, I WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW I TALKED TO MARTY
AND MS. ZELMAN ABOUT THAT THE OTHER DAY AND I THINK THAT'S
AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HANDLE THAT IN
CHARTER CHANGE.
INSTEAD WHAT I PROPOSED IS WE GET AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL
SUPERSEDE THE ATTORNEY'S OPINION, AND THAT IT WILL BE OUT
LINED THERE.
I THINK THERE HAS TO BE REASONABLE -- THERE HAS TO BE SOME
DOLLAR LIMIT, MAYBE 50,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UNDER
WHICH THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN NEGOTIATE A PAYOUT, BUT ABOVE A
CERTAIN AMOUNT, THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD MAINTAIN ITS POWER.
WHAT THAT CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION DOES IS IT USURPS THE
POWER OF CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THERE'S A WAY OF FIGURING THIS OUT WITHOUT GOING TO
THE CHARTER JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
THANK YOU.
2:57:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA NUMBER 28.
CM 22-7749.

2:58:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS A RESOLUTION I JUST WANTED TO BE
ABLE TO READ IT PUBLICLY BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY TIME WE HAVE
DONE IT WAS AT THE END OF THE MECHANIC WHEN NO ONE WAS HERE.
SO BEFORE WE VOTE, THIS IS A RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING OCTOBER
2022 AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MONTH IN THE CITY OF TAMPA URGING
ALL PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS AND ALL CITIZENS IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO SUPPORT DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE SURVIVORS AND TAKE A STAND AGAINST ALL FORM OF
VIOLENCE AND ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS, SUPPORTING EDUCATION,
PROVIDING INTERVENTION AND LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS AROUND
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND SUPPORT FOR AGENCIES, ORGANIZATIONS
OR INDIVIDUALS TO PROVIDE ADVOCACY EFFORTS, SERVICES, AND
ASSISTANCE TO VICTIMS.
2:59:04PM >> SECOND.
2:59:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN -- SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS, PLEASE.
2:59:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:59:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:59:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:59:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:59:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:59:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:59:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:59:31PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

2:59:32PM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA, PUBLIC SAFETY.
2:59:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
LET'S DO -- I HEREBY MOVE ITEMS 28 THROUGH 33.
2:59:51PM >> SECOND.
2:59:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:59:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:59:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:59:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:59:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:59:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:00:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:00:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:00:02PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:00:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, PUBLIC WORKS.
3:00:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 34 THROUGH 42.
3:00:12PM >> SECOND.
3:00:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:00:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:00:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:00:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:00:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:00:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:00:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

3:00:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:00:24PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:00:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:

3:00:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FINANCE COMMITTEE.
3:00:31PM >> MOVE 43 TO 36.
3:00:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:00:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:00:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:00:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:00:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:00:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:00:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:00:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:00:46PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:00:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUILDING, ZONING, PRESERVATION.
3:00:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEMS 47 THROUGH 60.
3:00:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:00:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:01:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:01:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:01:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:01:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE] 57 AND 58.

I WAS AT THE CONFERENCE LAST WEEK.
AND CRAs IS ABIDING BY LAWS VERSUS S.A.T.
SO WE JUST WASTED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY SAP THAT WE SHOULD
HAVE NEVER WRITTEN FROM WHAT I LEARNED FROM THE CONFERENCE.
WE HAD $60,000.
IT'S A LOT OF MONEY WE COULD HAVE USED TO UPDATE THE CMP,
THE PLAN, THE BYLAWS OF THE CRA.
I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT TO GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, SAP.
3:01:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY --
YOU ARE A YES?
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:02:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
3:02:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE 61 THROUGH 66.
3:02:15PM >> SECOND.
3:02:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:02:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:02:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:02:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:02:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
3:02:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:02:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

3:02:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:02:25PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:02:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
3:02:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR 67 AND SET THE
PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 8, 2022 AT 5:01 P.M., CHAPTER
27.
3:02:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 68.
FILE CDD 22-77670.
MRS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
3:03:01PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THERE ARE
SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS SO IF I COULD ASK YOU TO OPEN.
3:03:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
3:03:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS FROM
MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
3:03:22PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
COUNCIL, THIS ITEM NUMBER 68 IS
BEFORE YOU UPON THE FILING OF AN AMENDED AND RESTATED
PETITION TO ESTABLISH THE K-BAR RANCH 3 COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
IT WAS FILED BY CREWS AND DOUGLAS LLC.
SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

DISTRICTS.
THEY ARE LOCAL PURPOSE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND FOR THE
OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN
THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS A PETITION TO ESTABLISH A NEW DISTRICT IN THE
EASTERN PORTION OF THE K-BAR RANCH DEVELOPMENT, AND I WILL
ASK HUNTER MCKEE, THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION
AFTER WHICH I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT
AND THEN CONSIDER THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU THAT'S PRESENTED
FOR FIRST READING.
3:04:12PM >> MY NAME IS TUCKER MASSEY WITH THE LAW FIRM REPRESENTING
CREWS AND DOUGLAS LLC.
WITH ME ON THE PHONE ARE ALSO SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
PETITIONER, MAHONEY AND TIM KLETE WITH DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
EXCELLENT JOB REVIEWING THE NATURE OF CDDs.
ALSO BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, COUNCIL MAY REMEMBER IN THE
SUMMER YOU REMANDED THE BOUNDARIES OF THE K-BAR RANCH TO CDD
TO REMOVE PROPERTY FROM THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THAT PROPERTY IS NOW PROPOSED TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN K-BAR
RANCH 3 CDD.
OVERALL THEY ARE REQUESTING A TOTAL OF 56 MILLION-DOLLAR IN
PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT'S BOUNDARY, CONSISTS
OF APPROXIMATELY $372 ACRES.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE, AND
CERTAINLY HERE TO ANSWER AND RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF

THIS PROCEEDS.
3:05:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUN THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:05:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:05:24PM >> SECOND.
3:05:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:05:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM NUMBER 68.
FILE CDD 22-77670.
SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA ESTABLISHING THE K-BAR RANCH III COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH AND EAST OF
MEADOW POINTE BOULEVARD, EXTENSION, WEST OF MORRIS BRIDGE
ROAD AND SOUTH OF HILLSBOROUGH PASCO COUNTY LINE COMPRISING
OF 372.204 ACRES OF LAND MORE OR LESS FOR THE PURPOSE OF
MANAGING AND DELIVERING BASIC COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENTS, SAID DISTRICT TO BE LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN
THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE SAME BEING MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 190 FLORIDA STATUTES, NAME THE DISTRICT AND THE
INITIAL MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICT'S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS

CONSENTING TO THE EXERCISE OF CERTAIN SPECIAL POWERS BY THE
DISTRICT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PURSUANT TO SECTION 190.012
(2) FLORIDA STATUTES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:06:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:06:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:06:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:06:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)
3:06:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:06:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:06:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:06:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:06:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
3:06:54PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH GUDES BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER
17th, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
3:07:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MADAM CLERK, ARE OUR PADS UP HERE WORKING?
THEY ARE.
THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO TOUCH PAD VOTING.
THANK YOU.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 69, FILE TA/CPA 22-03.
3:07:30PM >> SAM THOMAS:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER 69 IS TA/CPA 22-03 LOCATED WEST OF NORTH ALBANY
AVENUE, SOUTH OF WEST NORTH E STREET.
FROM COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 TO URBAN MIXED USE 60.
YOU APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT FEBRUARY THE 22ND.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:07:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
3:08:07PM >> DAVID SINGER, 101 EAST KENNEDY, TAMPA, SUITE 2800.
WE REST ON OUR HEARING FROM SEPTEMBER 22ND ON THE PLANNING
COMMISSION AMENDMENT AND ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:08:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
MR. SINGER, I DO HAVE ONE.
WHAT IS TO GUARANTEE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE
DEVELOPED?
ONCE WE REZONE THIS.
3:08:45PM >> SO WE WILL BE BACK IN A FEW ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT ZONING
BUT --
3:08:50PM >> YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE RIGHT.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
3:08:57PM >> YES, SIR.
3:08:58PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

YES, THIS IS THE PLAN AMENDMENT WHICH --
3:09:02PM >> YES, THAT SAME QUESTION WHEN IT COMES BACK UP.
I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF.
3:09:09PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE
LEVEL OF AMENDMENT THAT'S ALLOWABLE, THE MAXIMUM DENSITY AND
SO FORTH.
3:09:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
3:09:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THIS RELATED THEN TO A PARTICULAR ITEM
ON TODAY'S AGENDA?
3:09:22PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THERE IS A RELATED REZONING.
3:09:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT NUMBER IS THAT, IF YOU RECALL?
3:09:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT
RIGHT NOW IF I DIDN'T GO TO MY LINE OF QUESTIONING.
I'LL BRING IT UP LATER.
3:09:36PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
NUMBER 81.
3:09:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NUMBER 81.
THANK YOU.
3:09:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES
TO SPEAK TO THIS?
SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE?
3:09:46PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:09:53PM >> SECOND.
3:09:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
COUNCIL HURTAK.

3:09:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 22-03, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE
LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 2110 WEST NORTH A STREET, 105 AND 107 NORTH
WESTLAND AVENUE, 108 NORTH ALBANY AVENUE NUMBER 1 AND NUMBER
2, AND 110 AND 112 NORTH ALBANY AVENUE, FROM COMMUNITY MIXED
USE 35 CMU-35 TO URBAN MIXED USE 60, UMU-60, PROVIDING FOR
REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:10:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:10:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
AND IT WORKED!
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 70, FILE TA/CPA 22-07.
3:11:21PM >>SAM THOMAS:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, 22-09, LOCATED
NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST FARM AVENUE AND
MacDILL AVENUE, TO RESIDENTIAL 10.
YOU APPROVED THIS AT YOUR HEARING SEPTEMBER 22ND.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:11:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO

THIS?
SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE?
3:11:50PM >>THE CLERK:
NO.
3:11:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON -- THANK YOU.
3:11:59PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
I'M JUST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR APPROVAL.
3:12:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS?
THANK YOU.
3:12:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:12:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:12:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AMENDING IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND USE
MAP FOR PROPERTY 6522, 6524 AND 6526 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE
AND FOLIO NUMBERS 136391.0000 AND 136392.000 FROM
RESIDENTIAL 20 AND RESIDENTIAL 10 TO RESIDENTIAL 10
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT PROVIDING
FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:13:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:13:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:13:05PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

3:13:10PM >> 71, FILE TA/CPA 22-10.
3:13:14PM >>SAM THOMAS:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, 71, TA/CPA 22-10,
MAP AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATE AT 3204 AND 3210 WEST
CYPRESS STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL 20 TO MIXED USE 35, YOU
APPROVED THIS AT YOUR SEPTEMBER 22ND MEETING.
I AM HERE FOR SECOND READING.
3:13:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
PETITIONER?
OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 71?
ANYONE ONLINE?
THANK YOU.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:13:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED ON SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040
TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE
LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3204 AND 3210 WEST
CYPRESS STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL 20 TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

3:14:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:14:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:14:30PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:14:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 72.
FILE TPA 22-11.
3:14:44PM >>SAM THOMAS:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM 72 IS TA/CPA 22-11 MAP AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 2502 AND 2504 NORTH BOULEVARD FROM RESIDENTIAL 20
RESIDENTIAL 10 TO RESIDENTIAL 35 AND COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35
AND RESIDENTIAL 10.
YOU APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT YOUR HEARING ON SEPTEMBER
22ND AND IT'S BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
3:15:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
NO PETITIONER. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES
TO SPEAK TO THIS?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES OR MIRANDA?
BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
3:15:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE TA/CPA 22-11

ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE
LAND USE ELEMENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT
2502 AND 2504 NORTH BOULEVARD FROM RESIDENTIAL 20 AND
RESIDENTIAL 10 TO RESIDENTIAL 35 AND COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT PROVIDING
FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:16:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:16:07PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:16:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 73.
THESE ARE ALL QUASI-JUDICIAL.
ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TYPE OF ESTIMATE --
ESTIMATE? -- TESTIMONY OR COMMENTS IN THE REMAINING AGENDA
ITEMS, PLEASE STAND TO BE SWORN IN.
ANYONE GIVING ANY TESTIMONY.
3:16:49PM >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
3:16:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 73, FILE VAC 22-10.
3:17:02PM >> ROSS SAMMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. PRESENTING FILE
VAC 22-10.
THIS IS THE VACATING REQUEST PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION.

AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
3:17:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
3:17:32PM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
URBAN PLANNING INNOVATIONS, 5312 NORTH
SUWANNEE.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU.
3:17:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
IN IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THIS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 73?
IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE?
3:17:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:17:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:18:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 73, VAC 20-22, AN ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING
THAT ALLEYWAY, CERTAIN PARTS OF CYPRESS STREET, NORTH
BOULEVARD AND EDISON AVENUE RIGHTS-OF-WAY ALL OF WHICH ARE
LOCATED SOUTH OF ARCH STREET, NORTH OF LEMON STREET, WEST OF
NORTH BOULEVARD AND EAST OF DELAWARE AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT
OF KNOWLES SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA IN THE CITY -- I ALREADY READ
THAT, DIDN'T I -- AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND
RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING
FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR
DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICTS,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:18:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:18:52PM >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:18:58PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:19:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 74.
FILE REZ-22-42.
3:19:09PM >>LACHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS ITEM ALSO GOES WITH THE VACATING ITEM, 73, WHICH WAS
JUST VOTED UPON, BUT THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR
SECOND READING.
THE APPLICANT IS ASHLEY HOLDINGS.
THERE AGAIN BY CATHERINE COYLE.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
3:19:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER.
3:19:43PM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
URBAN PLANNING INNOVATIONS, 5312 NORTH
SUWANNEE, AGAIN AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
3:19:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 74?
SEEING NONE, ANYONE ONLINE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:20:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:20:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:20:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
3:20:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
REZ 22-42, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY MUCH 904 AND 1120 NORTH BOULEVARD,
909, 911, 913 AND 1002 WEST CYPRESS STREET AND 902, 906 AND
912 AND 914 NORTH EDISON AVENUE IN CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AS
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND
RM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE COMMERCIAL PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:20:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:20:52PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:20:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 75.

VAC 22-16.
3:21:04PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
VAC 22-16 IS A VACATING REQUEST PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:21:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER.
3:21:19PM >> THIS IS THE SECOND OF THREE.
STILL NOT ZONING YET.
THIS IS J JUST VACATING.
WE REST AGAIN ON OUR PRESENTATION, HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS.
3:21:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 75?
SEEING NONE, ANYONE ONLINE?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:21:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE VAC 22-16, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND
ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY, RIGHT-OF-WAY, LOCATED NORTH OF
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF NORTH A STREET, EAST OF WESTLAND
AVENUE, AND WEST OF ALBANY AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF

WEST LAND SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF
SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS,
AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR
ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR
DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING CONFLICTS,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:22:32PM >> SECOND.
3:22:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:22:39PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
3:22:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 76, FILE AB 2-22-04.
3:22:54PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AT A
LOCATION 1724 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE.
PROPOSED SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES FOR RESTAURANT,
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY, FOR SALE OF BEER AND WINE.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:23:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
3:23:22PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MIKE DIMAIO, 4301 WEST BOY SCOUT BOULEVARD, WE REST ON OUR
SEPTEMBER 22ND HEARING, REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

3:23:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 76.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:23:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
76.
FILE AB 2-22-04.
AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, RESTAURANT, CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT
OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT
1724 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:24:32PM >> SECOND.
3:24:34PM >> MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:24:40PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:24:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 77, FAIL AB 2-22-16.
3:24:50PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
THE LOCATION 10802 AND 1804 EAST 4th AVENUE.
THIS IS PROPOSED SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SALES, SMALL
VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY, FOR BEER, WINE AND
LIQUOR.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:25:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER.
NO PETITIONER.
OKAY.
3:25:29PM >> I NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
3:25:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE GIVING TESTIMONY.
BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.
3:25:52PM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT
YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
TRUTH?
3:25:59PM >> I DO.
3:26:00PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
3:26:03PM >> MEGAN SMITH.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:26:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OF PETITIONER?

SEEING NONE IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 77?
WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:26:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES
ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF
ALCOHOLIC CONTENT BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT,
PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 18023 AND 1804 EAST 4th
AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICTS ARE REPEALED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
3:27:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA --
3:27:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHO?
3:27:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LUIS, I AM SO SORRY.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:27:28PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:27:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DON'T SECOND A MOTION
MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, OKAY?
[ LAUGHTER ]
3:27:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.
3:27:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I AM SORRY.
OKAY.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 78.
FILE REZ 22-14.
3:27:59PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AT
A LOCATION 6522, 6524, AND 6526 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE AND
FOLIO NUMBERS 136391.0000 AND 136392.0000.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:28:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
3:28:38PM >> CLAY BRICKLEMYER, HILL, WARD, HENDERSON.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED CHANGES AND WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
3:28:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES
TO SPEAK TO THIS?

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 78.
SEEING NONE, I THINK MS. STROHMEYER IS ON THE LINE.
3:29:00PM >>THE CLERK:
MS. STROHMEYER, PLEASE ENABLE YOUR VIDEO AND
UNMUTE YOURSELF.
3:29:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. STROHMEYER, ARE YOU THERE?
ALL RIGHT, LET'S PROCEED.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:29:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE REZ 22-14,
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
6522, 6524 AND 6526 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE AND FOLIO NUMBERS
136391.0000 AND 136392.0000 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO
PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:30:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:30:34PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

3:30:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 79, FILE REZ 22-47.
3:30:46PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS CASE IS BEING PRESENT FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
AT THE LOCATIONS 1401, 1409, 1411, 1413 AND 1415 EAST
29th AVENUE AND 3510 NORTH 15th STREET.
THE PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
AND CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI-DETACHED AND DETACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN.
I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:31:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
3:31:25PM >> CATHERINE COYLE, DOMAIN HOMES, 5703 SOUTH MACDILL AVENUE.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR APPROVAL.
3:31:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. COLE?
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 79?
3:31:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:31:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO ONE ONLINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.

COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:32:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REZ 22-47 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE JESS GENERAL VICINITY OF
1401, 1409, 1411, 1413 AND 1415 EAST 29th AVENUE AND
3510 NORTH 15th STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AS
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND
CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, SEMI-DETACHED AND DETACHED,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:32:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:32:47PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND HURTAK VOTING
NO.
3:32:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 80, REZ 22-51.
3:32:58PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS CASE IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
AT A LOCATION 6202 INTERBAY BOULEVARD AND 6001 SOUTH
MARTINDALE AVENUE.
THIS PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
AND CN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

3:33:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
OKAY.
PETITIONER, COULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE
SWORN IN?
OKAY, YOU ARE STILL MUTED.
YOU ARE STILL MUTED.
3:34:02PM >>THE CLERK:
CLICK ON THE ICON MIKE ON THE CONTROL PANEL TO
UNMUTE YOURSELF.
3:34:17PM >> I'M READY.
3:34:25PM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT
YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
TRUTH?
3:34:30PM >> I DO.
3:34:31PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
3:34:32PM >> THIS IS JD, ENGINEERING, I AM REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF
THE PROPERTY HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:34:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE?
I BELIEVE MS. STROHMEYER IS ONLINE?
MS. STROHMEYER, ARE YOU THERE?
THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 80?

MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:35:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
REZ 22-51.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
6202 INTERBAY BOULEVARD AND 6001 SOUTH MARTINDALE AVENUE IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND CN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO
PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:35:44PM >> SECOND.
3:35:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:35:50PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:35:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 81.
FILE NUMBER REZ 22-71.
3:36:04PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AT
A LOCATION 2110 WEST NORTH A STREET, 105 AND 107 NORTH
WESTLAND AVENUE, 106, 110 AND 112 NORTH ALBANY AVENUE, 108
NORTH ALBANY AVENUE NUMBER 1 AND NUMBER 2, UNIT 2, AND 2101,

2117 AND 2121 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
THIS PROPOSED REZONING FROM CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND RM-16
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL SALES, RESTAURANT AND
PERSONAL SERVICES.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:36:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
I SEE THIS FLOOD OF ATTORNEYS WALKING TOWARD ME.
3:37:10PM >> SINGER, 101 EAST KENNEDY.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
NOW WE ARE AT THE THIRD OF THE THREE.
NOW WE HAVE THE REZONING PORTION.
AND AGAIN WE INCORPORATE ALL THE TESTIMONY AT PRESENTATION
GIVEN ON SEPTEMBER 22ND.
AND I AM HERE TO REPORT JUST A FEW THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED
SINCE THEN THAT HOPEFULLY WILL ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS IF
ANYONE STILL HAS THEM.
THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT LOADING AND DELIVERIES.
WE BELIEVE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PROCESS HAS BEEN MADE.
MR. CITRO, YOU HAD ASKED IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR
ADDITIONAL AREAS.
WE HAVE REPURPOSED THAT ADDITIONAL AREA DIRECTLY BEHIND THE
JERSEY MIKES INTO ADDITIONAL LOADING OPPORTUNITY.
WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THE PARKING SPOTS ON

NORTH A STREET.
TO BE 30-MINUTE SPOTS, DEDICATED TO DELIVERIES AND DEDICATED
TO RIDE SHARE.
SO THAT WILL TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF THAT OTHERWISE
WOULD BE A GARAGE.
BUT THOSE DELIVERIES WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO BE MADE RIGHT
BEHIND WHERE THAT JERSEY MIKE'S IS NOW.
SECOND, YOU WILL RECALL THERE WAS PRETTY ROBUST DISCUSSION
ABOUT RELOCATION OF TENANTS AND NEW LANDLORDS COMING IN AND
DISCUSSION WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS AND WITH US ABOUT HOW PERHAPS
THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE TO BE CONSIDERED, AND AGAIN I DO
NOT WANT TO SUGGEST THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO BE CONSIDERED.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT TESTIMONY, SO I DO FEEL IT'S
APPROPRIATE TO TELL YOU THAT THE HOUSE OF SHADOWS, WHO HAD A
GOOD NUMBER OF CORRESPONDENCE WITH YOU, IN YOUR JUDICIAL IN
BOX, QUASI-JUDICIAL IN BOX, HAS WITHDRAWN THEIR OPPOSITION,
AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND THAT WAS ABLE TO BE DONE, AS YOU RECALL, WE WERE NOT
ALLOWED TO SPEAK WITH THE TENANTS WITHOUT LANDLORD
PERMISSION.
AFTER THE HEARING WE GOT THE LANDLORDS PERMISSION.
WE SPOKE WITH THE HOUSE OF SHADOWS.
AND THE HOUSE OF SHADOWS OWNERS HAVE WITHDRAWN THEIR
RESISTANCE TO THIS REZONING.
THIRD QUESTION, WILL IT BE BUILT, MR. CITRO?

THERE IS STRONG ECONOMIC INCENTIVE FOR THIS TO BE REBUILT.
THERE'S BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN
POURED INTO THIS, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, AS YOU KNOW, PD REZONINGS, IF THEY ARE NOT BUILT
WITHIN FIVE YEARS, THEY REVERT BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL ZONING
ASSOCIATION THERE IS THAT PROTECTION THAT THE CODE BUILD IN.
AND THIRD, THIS IS NOT A NEW DEVELOPER.
THESE ARE FOLKS WITH A TRACK RECORD.
THEY HAVE DONE THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
THEY HAVE INVESTED TIME AND MONEY AND FULLY INTEND TO BUILD.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ON THAT ISSUE.
THE LAST THING I WILL BRING UP, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT MS.
MANDELL IS HERE WITH US IN COUNCIL TODAY, SIMILAR TO THE
DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ON THE 22ND OF SEPTEMBER, THERE IS
CONCERN ABOUT PARKING, AND PARKING FOR JERSEY MIKES, AND
WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PARK.
AGAIN, I WILL REMIND YOU THAT PARKING REMAINS UNCHANGED OUT
FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND ALSO I WOULD POINT YOU TO THE
SITE PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLS FOR THEIR USE, THEIR
RESTAURANT AND RETAIL USE TO ADD 28 SPACES.
IN THE SITE PLAN, IT CAN'T BE CHANGED.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
I WILL ALSO REMIND YOU BEFORE I STEP ASIDE THAT THIS
APPLICATION HAS SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH WAS SIGNIFICANT.

OVER 2,000 CONTACTS MADE BY THIS APPLICANT.
AND THEY REMAIN ENDORSED BY THE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC
ASSOCIATION AND THE NORTH HYDE PARK BUSINESS ALLIANCE, EVEN
AFTER THE LAST HEARING.
SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR APPROVAL
OF THE ZONING.
I AM SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK BEINGS AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
3:41:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:41:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I RECALL THE ISSUES ABOUT
THE LANDLORD SITUATION.
THERE ARE THREE TENANTS, CORRECT?
3:41:15PM >> HOUSE OF BEAUTY, HOUSE OF SHADOWS, AND THE POWERSTORIES
THEATER.
I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO HOUSE OF BEAUTY AND HOUSE OF SHADOWS.
THEY HAVE WITHDRAWN THEIR OPPOSITION.
AS TO THE POWERSTORIES THEATER, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION
BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE THEATER.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT HAS RESULTED IN ANY SORT OF
AGREEMENT OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT THE POWER
STORAGE THEATER CAN REMAIN THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LEASE
TERM.
THE LEASE TERM ENDS IN MID 2023.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THEY CAN STAY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE
LEASE SO THAT IS THE SAME THING THEY WOULD GET WITH THEIR

CURRENT LANDLORD, OR THIS APPLICANT, OR ANYONE THAT WOULD
COME AFTER TO POTENTIALLY PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY.
YOU CAN ONLY GET WHAT YOU AGREE TO.
3:42:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 81?
MS. MANDELL?
3:42:22PM >>JULIA MANDELL:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
FOR THE RECORD, JULIA MANDELL, GRAY ROBINSON, 401 EAST
JACKSON STREET.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING JM FOOD INCORPORATED.
WITH ME IS THE PRIORITIES OF JERSEY MIKE'S, A TENANT IN THE
BUILDING WHERE THE JERSEY MIKE'S CURRENTLY RESIDES.
I AM GOING TO TRY TO USE THIS.
BEFORE I GET STARTED AS IT RELATES TO THE ZONING, I FEEL I
NEED TO CLARIFY AN ISSUE THAT'S COME UP IN THE PREVIOUS
HEARING AND THAT'S RELATED TO THE APPROVAL OF THE JERSEY
MIKE'S AND WHAT THEY WERE PLANNED AS PART OF THEIR ORIGINAL
APPROVAL.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT THEY WERE APPROVED FOR WHEN
THEY CAME IN FOR CHANGE OF USE IN 2012.
THEY WERE GRANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THIS LOCATION AS
A RESTAURANT WITH 28 PARKING SPACES.
AND SO SINCE IT WAS A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THEREIN WAS AN
ACTUAL APPROVAL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, I ACTUALLY HAVE STAFF
PLANS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THEY WERE TO HAVE THAT

CONVERSATION.
I CAN SHOW IT.
BUT THAT WAS AN ACTUAL APPROVAL DURING THAT PROCESS DURING
THEIR ZONING REVIEW.
SO THIS IS HOW THE SITE CURRENTLY IS CONFIGURED.
AND IT SHOWS THE PARKING IN THE CENTER, THE FURNITURE STORE,
AND THIS IS THE JERSEY MIKE'S WITH PARKING IN THE FRONT, AND
ALL OF THE PARKING SPOTS WERE AVAILABLE FOR THE JERSEY
MIKE'S FOR PARKING AS WELL AS A DUMPSTER LOCATION, THE USE
OF THE ALLEY FOR THEIR DELIVERIES.
OUR CONCERN IS THE CHANGE TO THAT CONFIGURATION.
JERSEY MIKE'S HAD A LEASE ON THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2012.
THERE IS FIVE MORE YEARS ON THIS LEASE.
AND SO THEY ARE NOT IN THE SAME POSITION MAYBE AS SOME OF
THE OTHER TENANTS BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN IN THIS
LOCATION.
THIS IS THE CURRENT PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AND I AM GOING TO
ADDRESS WHAT MR. SINGER HAD SAID IN TERMS OF RIGHTS GRANTED
IN HERE BECAUSE I AM NOT SURE I EITHER AGAIN WITH THAT OR WE
MAY NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.
THE WAY THIS SITE PLAN IS SET UP, IT IS IN ESSENCE CUTS OFF
THE ALLEY ACCESS FORTUNATE PURPOSES OF DELIVERY, HAS NO
LOCATION FOR DUMPSTER FOR THIS OUTPARCEL.
WHETHER OR NOT THIS REMAINS A JERSEY MIKE'S OR GOES INTO
SOME OTHER USE, THERE'S AN OUTPARCEL HERE THAT IN ESSENCE

THROUGH THE SITE PLAN HAS ABOUT 11 SPACES IN THE FRONT, NO
ACCESS ON THE SITE PLAN FOR DELIVERY, AND NO LOCATION THAT I
CAN SEE FOR DUMPSTER ACCESS.
IT IS ALSO DESIGNATED AS --
EVEN IF JERSEY MIKE'S GOES AWAY THAT REMAINS.
TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OR TO SPEAK TO WHAT MR. SINGER SAID,
WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, ONE, THE
SITE PLAN AS MR. SINGER SUGGESTS DOES PROVIDE FOR THE ACCESS
HERE FOR DELIVERIES, AND ALSO THE SITE PLAN PARKING.
I AM NOT SURE IT'S ACCURATE TO SAY THAT JERSEY MIKE'S HAS
BEEN GRANTED 28 SPACES.
I WOULD SAY THEY HAVEN'T AND THERE'S NOTHING ON THE SITE
PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY GRANTS IT.
SO I WOULD ASK FOR CLARIFICATION OF THAT.
YOU HAVE THE LETTER.
I WOULD REITERATE THAT COMMENT.
AND WE ARE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IN
THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU.
3:45:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO
SPEAK TO AGENDA NUMBER 81, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 81?
3:45:55PM >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
I HAVEN'T BEEN SWORN IN.
3:46:05PM >>THE CLERK:


(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
3:46:09PM >> YES.
AND THANK YOU.
LAST MONTH I WAS THERE, AND I SPOKE ON BEHALF OF --
3:46:18PM >> PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
3:46:20PM >> MY NAME IS LEWIS SIMMONS, 1507 NORTH B STREET, TAMPA.
LAST MONTH, I CAME HERE AND SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE
DEVELOPER.
AND MY CONCERN WAS WHEN IT RAINS, KENNEDY BOULEVARD FLOODS
UP IN THAT AREA.
AND ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM KENNEDY, GOES ON NORTH B STREET, SO
NOW ON NORTH B IS ALMOST LIKE A SUPERHIGHWAY BECAUSE ALL THE
TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING COME THROUGH.
WE HAD MEETINGS AND HYDE PARK ASSOCIATION AND MEETINGS WITH
THE DEVELOPER THEY SAID THEY WOULD PUT A DRAINAGE DITCH,
SOME TYPE OF DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON KENNEDY, AND PROCEED IN
BUILDING A NEW FACILITY THERE.
SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY MY MAIN CONCERNS.
THEN I STARTED GOING AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND DECIDED,
YES, NEED HOUSING IN THE AREA, BUT YET BECAUSE EVERYONE IS
ACTUALLY COMING INTO THAT MAIN AREA, BECAUSE THEY CALL IT
THE YUPPIE AREA, BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, CLOSE TO
THE AIRPORT, CLOSE TO HYDE PARK, TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY, AND
THESE ARE ALL AROUND, SO THEY COME AND GO.
AND I DON'T HAVE NO ANIMOSITY OR NO BAD FEELINGS ABOUT THE

BUILDINGS COMING THERE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE RESIDENTS COME IN AND REDO THE
STREETS, REDO THE STORM DRAINS AND THE SEWAGE AREA IN THAT
AREA.
SO FROM MY PROPOSAL, IF IT'S WORTH ANYTHING, THAT I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE THE T FACILITY MOVE FORWARD AND THRIVE
THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO FAR ALL MY NEIGHBORS, THEY AGREE WITH ME THAT WE NEED
TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ROAD SITUATION, AND ELIMINATE THE
ROAD SITUATION, AND THEY CAN HAVE MORE SPACE FOR PARKING.
THANK YOU.
3:48:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
3:48:43PM >> NATHAN HAGAN.
I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU MOVED THERE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND THE MARKET VALUE OF MY RENT PERSONALLY HAS GONE UP ABOUT
50% IN THAT TIME.
I STARTED COMING TO THE COUNCIL WITH LAND USE ISSUES BECAUSE
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OPTIONS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I
LIVE IN NOW FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, IF I HAD TO RENEW MY LEASE
AND I COULD STAY WHERE I AM.
WHEREVER I GO THERE'S JUST NOT OPTIONS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND OTHER TYPE OF HOUSING BESIDES APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
BUT I WILL JUST SAY, I AM EXCITED TO HAVE THIS PROJECT HERE
IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT MODEL FOR KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THE FIRST PROJECT LIKE THAT THAT I AM AWARE OF,
KENNEDY, AND IT'S A GOOD MODEL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT
HOPEFULLY CREATING A LOT MORE HOUSING WHICH IS OUR AGENDA IN
THE COMP PLAN.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
3:49:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
3:50:00PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE MR. VICTOR HUGGINS.
HE NEEDS TO TURN ON VIDEO AND AUDIO.
3:50:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
BOTH ARE ENGINEERS?
MR. HUSAIN.
3:50:26PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SPEAKING ON THE PARKING, I KNOW THAT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT
THE SITE PLAN STATES THAT THERE'S PARKING DESIGNATED FOR
JERSEY MIKE'S.
THE SITE PLAN SHOWS WHAT'S REQUIRED, BUT THERE'S NO ACTUAL
CONCRETE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT IS BEING PROVIDED JUST FOR
THAT JERSEY MIKE'S.
3:50:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
REBUTTAL, PLEASE.
3:51:03PM >>DAVID SINGER:
WE WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION.
MY COLLEAGUE MR. RICE TO SHOW THE PARKING CHART.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
THE EXISTING RESTAURANT, THE EXISTING RETAIL.
YOU WILL SEE THAT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE WHERE IT SAYS RETAIL
PARKING REQUIRED, RESTAURANT, EXISTING, 2505, RETAIL
EXISTING 2500.
GO AHEAD OVER TO THE RIGHT WHERE IT SAYS REQUIRED PARKING,
YOU WILL SEE THE NUMBER 20.
AND YOU WILL SEE THE NUMBER 8.
20 AND 8 EQUAL 28.
THAT IS REQUIRED PARKING FOR THIS RETAIL AND RESTAURANT.
AND WHAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO AND WHAT WE NEVER DO IN A
ZONING HEARING IS TALK ABOUT WHERE SPECIFICALLY A RETAIL
TENANT'S PARKING IS GOING TO BE DESIGNATED IN THE PARKING
LOT.
THAT'S A PRIVATE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE LANDLORD AND THE
TENANT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE 28 SPACES.
WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
OF DOORS COURSE WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
REMEMBER FROM THAT ON SEPTEMBER 22ND WHEN WE SHOWED THE SITE
PLAN, WHERE THE DOOR FROM THAT PARKING GARAGE EXITS IS ABOUT
10 FEET TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE JERSEY MIKE'S.
SO 28 SPACES ARE REQUIRED, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE.
RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE DOOR FROM THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND THIS IS THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING PROVIDED.
IT'S REQUIRED UNDER THE SITE PLAN.
OF COURSE WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
IT'S IN EVERYONE'S INTEREST FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND I'M HAPPY TO.
Answer: QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT.
3:52:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
CAN YOU LEAVE THAT THERE, PLEASE, SIR?
3:52:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I ONLY HAVE AN 8th GRADE EDUCATION SO I AM TRYING TO
FIGURE THIS OUT, YOU KNOW.
MS. MANDELL CAME UP WITH HER ARGUMENT, AND I THINK IT'S A
PLAY ON WORDS TO SAY, BUT I SEE WHERE YOU INDICATED 28 PLUS
8 IS 8.
I THINK THE PETITIONER, THE OBJECTIONER WAS THINKING THAT
THERE'S SPACE FOR THEM AT A CERTAIN LOCATION.
YOU CONTEND THAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE GIVING THEM 28, NO
MATTER WHERE THE LOCATION IS, YOU ARE SAYING THE LOCATION IS
CLOSE ENOUGH TO ENTER THEIR BUSINESS, CORRECT?
3:53:32PM >>DAVID SINGER:
YES.
YES.
SO WHEN YOU REZONE THE SITE, OF COURSE THE ENTIRE SITE, AND
LET ME PUT THIS UP HERE.
3:53:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT SING SUNG

LISTEN, THIS IS ALL NUANCE STUFF.
THIS IS PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING NOW.
THIS IS THE ALLEY.
THE SIDE WHERE THEY ARE PARKING NOW.
AND REPLACING THIS IS GOING TO BE THE GARAGE.
THIS GOES A WAY UNDER THE REZONE.
THE PARKING SPACES WILL BE IN THE DRIVE THAT'S LITERALLY
ADJACENT.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU AND THE APPLICANT COULDN'T TELL YOU
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T LAID OUT THE ENTIRE GARAGE
EXACTLY WHERE THE PARKING SPACES ARE GOING TO BE BUT THEY DO
RETAIL LEASE AS CROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND SO THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE THAT ANYONE IS SUGGESTING
THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET SPACE THAT IS GOING TO BE
COMPLETELY INCONVENIENT TO THEM.
NO ONE IS SUGGESTING THAT.
MS. MANDELL CAN'T TELL YOU THAT.
NO ONE CAN TELL YOU THAT.
WHAT WE CAN TELL YOU IS THERE'S GOING TO BE PARKING
AVAILABLE FOR THEM AND WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT PARKING ON THE SITE.
3:54:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY THEN.
3:54:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
3:54:48PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:54:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PUT YOUR SHEET BACK DOWN THERE, IF YOU

DON'T MIND.
NOT THAT I AM GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY.
BUT IS THERE ANOTHER RETAIL NEXT TO JERSEY MIKE'S?
3:55:04PM >> THERE'S A NAIL SALON.
3:55:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND COMBINED, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO 28
PARKING SPACES?
3:55:11PM >>DAVID SINGER:
YES.
3:55:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE SECTION THAT IS EXISTING IN FRONT, HOW
MANY SPACES ARE THERE NOW?
SING SUNG I BELIEVE THERE'S 11.
3:55:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
11.
SO THAT AND 28, YOU SAY, THAT WOULD BE 18 MORE SPACES, IF
SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE BOUND BY THAT ENTITLEMENT.
3:55:36PM >>DAVID SINGER:
AND IT WAS ALL INCORPORATED INTO THE
CALCULATION THAT WE SUBMITTED AND TALKED ABOUT.
3:55:41PM >> CAN YOU BRING BACK UP THE iPad THAT HAS THE PROPOSED
BUILDING?
I KNOW THIS IS PROPOSED AND HYPOTHETICAL AND IT'S NOT
DEFINITE.
3:55:49PM >>DAVID SINGER:
YES.
3:55:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THIS WERE, WOULD YOUR
COMPANY BE KIND ENOUGH TO PUT THAT FIRST ROW CLOSEST TO THE
DOOR?
AGAIN THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL.
3:56:04PM >>DAVID SINGER:
I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY, OF COURSE.

3:56:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE'S NO KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT YOU CAN
GIVE THEM THAT THESE ARE THE PARKING SPOTS?
3:56:21PM >>DAVID SINGER:
LET ME ANSWER IT THIS WAY.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE, WHEN THEY PARK, WANT TO BE AS CLOSE TO
THEIR HOME AS THEY CAN.
FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THESE SPACES THAT ARE HERE, THESE ARE THE
FARTHEST AWAY FROM PEOPLE'S HOLMES HOMES.
THEY ARE THE CLOSEST TO THE RETAIL.
SO WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY COMMIT TO YOU TODAY THAT
THOSE ARE GOING TO BE RETAIL SPOTS, I THINK COMMON SENSE AND
SENSIBILITY WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN OUR
POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE RETAIL SPOTS.
3:56:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OF COURSE, FOR THE RECORD, YOU CANNOT AND
THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT BIND YOU TO THAT AGREEMENT.
3:57:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT'S ALL HYPOTHETICAL.
3:57:10PM >> I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
3:57:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND AS LONG AS THEY UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
3:57:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND WHICH MR. SINGER WAS LEADING ME TO MY
QUESTION WHICH I ASKED AT THE WRONG TIME, THIS WHOLE LAYOUT
IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL.
AND CANNOT GUARANTEE THIS WHOLE LAYOUT IS GOING TO BE HERE.
3:57:30PM >>DAVID SINGER:
WELL, WHEN YOU SUBMIT A SITE PLAN FOR A PD
REVIEW, WE ARE LOCKED INTO THAT SITE PLAN.

3:57:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SIZE AND HEIGHT.
3:57:39PM >>DAVID SINGER:
AND LAYOUT.
3:57:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND LAYOUT.
BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THE PARKING SPACES IN THERE EITHER.
3:57:46PM >>DAVID SINGER:
I CAN SAY THE SPACES ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
3:57:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M TRYING TO GET SOMEWHERE WITH THIS.
I AM HAVING NO LUCK AT ALL.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
3:57:56PM >>DAVID SINGER:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
3:58:00PM >>JULIA MANDELL:
IF I CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY A
QUESTION ON RECORD.
3:58:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SINGER?
3:58:09PM >>DAVID SINGER:
YES.
3:58:10PM >>JULIA MANDELL:
SO I UNDERSTAND, JULIA MANDELL
REPRESENTING JERSEY MIKE'S.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY STAFF, MR. SINGER, ARE SAYING,
IS THAT WHEN YOU APPORTION THE PARKING, I WOULD AGREE THAT'S
A SECONDARY ISSUE.
WHEN YOU APPORTION THE PARKING, THE OUTPARCEL WILL HAVE THE
ALLOTMENT, NOT DESIGNATION BUT THE ALLOTMENT OF 28 SPACES,
AND THEREFORE THE WAIVER THAT IS BEING REQUESTED FOR PARKING
IS NOT GOING TOWARD THAT OUTPARCEL, AND THE NUMBERS FOR THE
OUTPARCEL IS GOING WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE. IF THAT
IS WHAT MR. SINGER IS SAYING AND THE CITY AGREES THAT IS
ACTUALLY WHAT'S ON THE SITE PLAN THEN I THINK AT LEAST THAT

ISSUE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED -- I CAN'T SAY IT'S BEEN COMPLETELY
RESOLVED WITH MY CLIENT BUT I THINK THAT'S -- IF THAT'S WHAT
THE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WE ALL AGREE ON THE RECORD IS
WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, THEN WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
3:59:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
INSTEAD OF COUNCILMAN, I WOULD LIKE MR. SINGER TO RESPOND SO
HE HAS THE LAST WORD FOR REBUTTAL IF THERE'S ANY.
3:59:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HE WILL HAVE HIS TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
3:59:30PM >>DAVID SINGER:
I THINK MS. MANDELL SAID THE FIRST PART
EXACTLY RIGHT, THAT THE 28 SPACES ARE APPORTIONED AND
ALLOTTED TO THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT OUTPARCEL.
THE SECOND PART IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED IN THAT THOSE
28 SPACES, WHICH ARE ADDED TO THE TOTAL OF THE PD,
ENCAPSULATE THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARKING ON-SITE.
SO THERE'S 343 SPARKLING SPACES ON-SITE.
28 OF THEM GO TO RETAIL RESTAURANT.
BUT IT'S NOT 343 PLUS 28.
IT'S 343.
4:00:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. MANDELL, THANK YOU.
YOU GOT THERE QUICKER THAN I DID.
THANK YOU.
HOW MANY STORIES?
THREE?
4:00:18PM >>DAVID SINGER:
THREE.
4:00:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAS THAT IT?

4:00:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WAS THAT YOUR REBUTTAL?
ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR REBUTTAL?
4:00:29PM >>DAVID SINGER:
WITH THAT, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU.
4:00:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:00:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER REZ 22-71, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2110 WEST NORTH
A STREET, 105 AND 107 NORTH WESTLAND AVENUE, 106, 110 AND
112 NORTH ALBANY AVENUE, 10 NORTH ALBANY AVENUE NUMBER 1 AND
NUMBER 2, AND 2101, 2117 AND 2121 BEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING CLASSIFICATION CG COMMERCIAL
GENERAL AND RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL SALES,
RESTAURANT, PERSONAL SERVICES, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:01:33PM >> SECOND.
4:01:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLEASE VOTE AND RECORD.
4:01:39PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND MIRANDA VOTING

NO.
4:01:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 82.
FILE REZ 22-78.
4:01:53PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
22-72.
4:01:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME.
22-72.
DYSLEXIA.
4:02:03PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS CASE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT THE
LOCATION 2907 WEST BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD AND FOLIO NUMBER
127083.0000 PROPOSED REZONING FROM PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO
PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL,
RETAIL SALES RESTAURANT BAR LOUNGE AND RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
4:02:38PM >> FOR THE RECORD, ABBYE, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND REQUEST YOUR
APPROVAL.
THANK YOU.
4:02:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO
SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 82?
SEEING NONE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:03:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF THE 2907 WEST BECAME TO BAY BOULEVARD
AND FOLIO NUMBER 127083.0000 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, RETAIL SALES,
RESTAURANT, BAR LOUNGE, AND RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:03:48PM >> SECOND.
4:03:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
4:03:53PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO ABSENT AT VOTE.
4:04:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
GENERAL TEND NUMBER 83, FILE VAC 22-12.
SORRY, IT WAS WITHDRAWN.
MOTION TO WITHDRAW AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 83.
BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 84.
4:04:44PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

MR. SHELBY HAS REQUESTED THAT I PASS OUT THE -- [OFF
MICROPHONE] AND GIVE CREDIT TO THE AUTHOR WHO JUST LEFT,
JULIA MANDELL, TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE MAIN POINTS OF THAT
MEMO.
I WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO PASS IT OUT FIRST.
THANK YOU.
SO AGAIN TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE MAIN POINTS OF THE MEMO,
FIRST, THE APPLICANT HAS THE BURDEN OF ESTABLISHING THAT THE
VACATING REQUEST SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND SERVES IN THE
BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.
NEXT, CITY COUNCIL HAS BROAD DISCRETION IN MAKING THE
DECISION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE VACATING REQUEST, AND
THE SAME WILL NOT BE DISTURBED EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF CLEAR
ABUSE OF DISCRETION OR UNLESS THERE IS AN INVASION OF
PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND FINALLY SOME OF THE FACTORS TO CONSIDER DURING YOUR
DELIBERATIONS INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO WILL THE
VACATING ALLEVIATE OR RELIEF THE PUBLIC FROM THE COST OF
MAINTAINING THE SUBJECT ALLEYWAY, WILL THE VACATING
ALLEVIATE A PUBLIC NUISANCE SUCH AS DUMPING OR CURTAIL
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, WILL IT FOSTER REDEVELOPMENT OF THE
ABUTTING PROPERTIES, WILL ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS ACCESS TO
THE PROPERTY BE COMPLETELY CUT OFF OR SUBSTANTIALLY
DIMINISHED AS A RESULT OF THE VAPOR INDICATING?
NOW, THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS WERE NOT MENTIONED OR DISCUSSED

IN THE MEMO, BUT SINCE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION
LATELY ABOUT MISNOTICE I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE
WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR VACATING.
FIRST, THERE IS THE POSTED NOTICE WHICH IS THE SAME AS FOR
ALL LAND USE DECISIONS.
THAT INCLUDES POSTING A SIGN AT EITHER END OF THE ALLEYWAY,
THAT SIGN MUST BE PLACED WITHIN -- EXCUSE ME, NO LATER THAN
30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE HEARING AND NO LATER THAN 60 DAYS PRIOR
TO THE HEARING AND MUST BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
NEXT IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE.
NOW, THE GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE ONLY REQUIRES NOTICE TO
PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATIONS WHICH IS THE HOA NEIGHBORHOOD
AND CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE TO THE
PARTICIPATING NEIGHBORS WHICH THAT'S A 250 FAT LAID USE THAT
YOU PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT BEFORE.
THAT'S THE SECOND NOTICE THAT'S REQUIRED.
AND THE THIRD NOTICE IS THE PROPERTY OWNER NOTICE, WHICH
INCLUDES ALL ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE ABUTTING THE
SUBJECT ALLEYWAY.
AND THIS IS IN LIEU OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE
PARTICIPATING NEIGHBORS.
SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTION OTHER THAN I JUST MENTIONED I
WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO MR. SAMMONS TO PROVIDE HIS
PRESENTATION.

4:07:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS?
4:07:43PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PRESENTING FILE NUMBER VAC 20-14.
THE APPLICANT IS TAMPA BAY DEVELOPERS LLC, REPRESENTED NAME
IS STEVEN LANEY, THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 2409 WEST STROUD
AVENUE.
BOTH VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE THE LINE NORTH OF STROUD
AVENUE, SOUTH OF CHICAGO AVENUE, EAST OF CAROLINA AVENUE AND
WEST OF MOODY AVENUE.
4:08:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BRING UP THE SCREEN.
4:08:34PM >> THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA ON MARCH
16, 2022.
4:08:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MONITORS, PLEASE?
THANK YOU.
4:08:46PM >> THE APPLICANT OWNS THE PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF THE
ALLEY THAT IS TO BE VACATED.
APPLICANT'S REASON IS TO CLEAN UP THE ALLEY.
THIS WAS CREATED BY A SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 7300 SQUARE FEET.
HERE IS AN AERIAL SHOWING THE PROPERTY IN RED, AND THE
PROPOSED VACATING IN YELLOW.
HERE IS CAROLINA AVENUE.
HERE, AND SOUTH STROUD AVENUE.
HEAR IS A CITY OF TAMPA ATLAS MAP SHOWING THE AREA, AGAIN IN
RED HERE.

THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST.
AND PREVIOUS VACATING IN THE VICINITY.
THAT'S HERE.
WE HAVE AN IMAGE OF CB SHAW'S SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THIS IS A PLAT THAT DID DEDICATE THIS ALLEY, THE ORIGINATING
ALLEY.
IN BLOCK 2 HERE.
NOW CAROLINA AVENUE OVER AND DOWN TO NOW STROUD AVENUE.
HERE IS CHICAGO AVENUE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH OF THE
ALLEY, HERE IS THE EXISTING ALLEY, AND THIS IS THE TOWN HOME
SUBDIVISION, HERE IS CHICAGO AVENUE.
THIS IS THE IMAGE OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM STROUD AVENUE.
THIS IS THE MOST EASTERN SECTION OF THE ALLEY TO BE VACATED.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM STROUD AVENUE, THE NORTH AND
SOUTH SECTIONS.
AND THIS IS THE ALLEY LOOKING EAST FROM CAROLINA AVENUE, IN
THIS GENERAL VICINITY HERE.
STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST, EASEMENT
RESERVATIONS ARE NEEDED FOR WASTEWATER, STORMWATER, TECO,
FRONTIER, AND SPECTRUM.
NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 IN REGARD TO
TREE PRESERVATION, AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS
PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN A VACATED AREA.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE

ANY QUESTIONS.
4:11:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
4:11:50PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS PETITION LATE
IN THE DAY.
I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE HERE.
LET MET GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF --
4:12:17PM >> MR. MICHELINI, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT FOR THE
RECORD.
4:12:21PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING PETITIONER
AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
IS THAT SHOWING UP WELL?
AS THE CITY STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, THIS IS A RIGHT ANGLE
ALLEYWAY THAT RUNS BEHIND THESE HOMES ON STROUD AND BEHIND
THE TOWNHOUSES IN THE CHICAGO SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS A DETAIL OF THAT AREA ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND A LITTLE BETTER VIEW SHOWING YOU HOW IT EXTEND FURTHER
TO THE WEST.
ROSS HAS ALREADY SHOWED YOU THAT THE ACCESSES TO THE ALLEY
IS OBSTRUCTED.
THIS IS ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE THERE'S NO ACCESS.
THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THERE'S NO ACCESS.
THIS IS ON THE EAST SIDE.
EVERYTHING YOU SEE THERE IN PINK IS AN OBSTRUCTION BUILT IN
THE ALLEY.

THIS IS THE MIDDLE SECTION SHOWING PART OF THE EAST, PART OF
THE MIDDLE, WHERE SOMETHING HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN THAT
ALLEY.
THIS IS THE DETAIL OF THE MIDDLE SECTION IN PINK.
SHOWING YOU THE OBSTRUCTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED, AND
MORE HERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, AND I HAVE
READ THE LETTER OF CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH,
AND I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS SHEET.
AND THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS ARE GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND DESIGN
AND ZONING, AND THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE,
GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND DESIGN, TRANSPORTATION, AND SOLID
WASTE, NONE OF WHICH HAD ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS REGARDING
VACATING THIS PORTION OF THIS ALLEY.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE -- AND I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE
NEIGHBORS BRIEFLY BEFORE THE HEARING STARTED -- AND IT SEEMS
TO ME THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED REGARDING THE VACATING, WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN POST VACATING, AND GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS
THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS ON EITHER SIDE ARE ENTITLED TO
ONE HALF OF THE VACATED PORTION.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ALSO HAPPEN IN THIS AREA ARE IT'S
COMPLETELY DENSE.
I WILL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF THAT.
THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE TOWNHOUSES HAVE BASICALLY A 6-FOOT
HIGH VINYL FENCE WITH APPROXIMATELY A TWO-FOOT MASONRY WALL

THAT IT SITS ON TOP OF.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE CAROLINA, AS I SAID, WEST LOOKING
EAST.
THERE'S NO ACCESS WHATSOEVER.
THIS ALLEY EFFECTIVELY HAS BEEN COMPLETELY OBLITERATED IN
TERMS OF USAGE.
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET TO THAT IS EITHER THROUGH THE REAR
YARD OF THE ABUTTING TOWNHOUSES ON THE NORTH SIDE, OR THE
SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
ONE THING THAT I GUESS THE CONCERNS ARE, IF THIS PROPERTY --
AND I'M SORRY, THE ALLEY IS NOT VACATED, THEN ALL OF THOSE
AREAS THAT I SHOWED YOU IN PINK ARE IN VIOLATION, EVERY ONE
OF THEM.
IN THE PETITION, THERE IS A REQUEST FROM THE CITY TO RESERVE
EASEMENTS OVER THE ENTIRE LENGTH AND WIDTH OF THE ALLEY,
WHICH MEANS YOU CANNOT BUILD ON IT.
IT ESSENTIALLY BECOMES A GREEN SPACE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ALLEY, IS A
PERMANENT 20-FOOT STORMWATER EASEMENT.
THAT ALSO CAN'T BE BUILT ON.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE, I THINK I HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF THE
CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE RAISED, REGARDING THAT DMS, NEVER
WANT TO USE THE ALLEY.
THEY ARE NOT -- THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO PAVE THAT AND
REOPEN THE ALLEY.

THEY WOULD BE LOCKED UP IN LITIGATION FOR YEARS TRYING TO
STRAIGHTEN OUT AND HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT OBSTRUCTIONS
REMOVED.
I COUNTED MORE THAN 15 DIFFERENT OBSTRUCTIONS FROM DIFFERENT
PROPERTIES.
IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
IT MAKES A 90-DEGREE TURN.
IT'S OBSTRUCTED.
BASICALLY, IT'S UNUSED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT IT'S IN
THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC
PURPOSE, TO VACATE THIS.
IT'S NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.
AND IT WOULD SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE TO VACATE THIS AND
RETURN IT.
AND I THINK MOST IF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS REMEMBER, AN ALLEY
IS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT FOR THE ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNERS.
IT'S CONTROLLED AND OWNED UNDERLYING IN FEE BY THOSE
INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
IT'S HELD IN TRUST BY THE CITY.
AND THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO RELEASE THE "IN TRUST" PORTION
AND RETURN IT BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THEIR CONTROL.
AGAIN, NOTHING CAN BE BUILT IN THERE WITH THOSE EASEMENTS.
AND THE EASEMENTS HAVE BEEN RESERVED FOR UTILITIES INCLUDING

TECO AND PEOPLE'S GAS, AND TELEPHONE, VERIZON, WHATEVER,
CABLE TV.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I THINK IT'S THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE CODE IS THAT WHEN AN
ALLEY IS NOT BEING USED FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, AND IT
CANNOT BE USED NOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, THEN IT SHOULD BE
RETURNED TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AS WAS PROVIDED FOR
IN THE CODE.
I THINK WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT
I HAVE SHOWN YOU.
THE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA SURVEY CREW,
NOT AS AN INDEPENDENT SURVEY CREW, NOT ONE COMMISSIONED BY
US ON THE ADJACENT -- OR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I'M SURE THAT SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK ABOUT IT.
4:19:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:19:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU PLEASE PUT UP THE PINK MAP AGAIN?
4:19:37PM >> ALL THREE OF THEM?
4:19:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE ALLEY.
4:19:42PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THIS IS THE WESTERN PORTION.
4:20:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT THIS, IF I AM CORRECT, PRETTY MUCH
EVERYBODY ON THE SOUTH SIDE HAS ENCROACHED INTO THE ENTIRE
ALLEY, RIGHT?

THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
4:20:13PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THAT'S THE EAST SIDE.
4:20:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO, NO, I AM LOOKING NORTH WHERE ALL
THOSE PINK BOXES ARE.
IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE
STUFF ANYWAY BECAUSE THE FOLKS TO THE NORTH WOULD HAVE THAT
SPACE, CORRECT?
4:20:33PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THEY WOULD BE ENTITLED TO HALF THE
SPACE, CORRECT.
4:20:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THEY ARE MOVING IT EITHER WAY.
4:20:41PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I AM NOT SURE WHO BUILT THESE DIFFERENT
ENCROACHMENTS.
I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL YOU UNDER OATH THAT THAT BELONGS TO THE
PEOPLE -- BUT YES, SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE, AND
REGARDING THESE ENCROACHMENTS.
4:20:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MEAN, EITHER WAY IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE
MOVED, IF WE APPROVE IT, IT WILL HAVE TO BE MOVED BECAUSE
THEY WILL HAVE TO MOVE IT OFF PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, AND IF WE
DENY IT --
4:21:06PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
IF YOU DENY IT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE
CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
4:21:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S A -- SO ALSO THE SAME THING ON THE
EAST SIDE.
SO, OKAY, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
THANK YOU.

4:21:20PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY COMPLICATED
UNRAVELING.
4:21:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLICATED EITHER WAY
IS MY POINT.
4:21:29PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
EITHER WAY.
ONE WAY IS GOING TO BE MORE LITIGIOUS THAN THE OTHER.
4:21:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF WE DO APPROVE THIS AND IT GETS DIVIDED AMONGST THE
HOMEOWNERS, IS THERE A LEGAL WAY THAT SOMEONE COULD BUY OUT
THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS?
4:21:55PM >> CERTAINLY THERE IS OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO ACQUIRE
OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES.
HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING
WHEN YOU VACATE AN ALLEYWAY, THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS ON
BOTH SIDES, IT GOES DOWN THE CENTER LINE, GETS DIVIDED, BOTH
SIDE.
HOWEVER, THERE IS CASE LAW THAT SAYS THAT IF A SUBDIVISION
HAS THE ALLEYWAY TO ITSELF, AND THEN THE SUBDIVISION TO THE
NORTH OF THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ALLEYWAY, THEN THERE
COULD BE SOME ARGUMENT THAT ONE SIDE GETS IT AND NOT THE
OTHER.
BUT AGAIN IT'S NOT THE CITY'S POSITION TO GIVE -- TO ANY
PRIVATE PROPERTY INTEREST.
4:22:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. MICHELINI, DID THAT FINISH YOUR -- WE

ARE ON PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ARE YOU FINISHED NOW?
4:22:41PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
YES, AND I WILL RESERVE FOR REBUTTAL BUT
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL.
4:22:46PM >> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I AM NOT SEEING ANY. IS THERE ANYBODY IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS
THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE SPEAK TO THIS?
4:22:52PM >> KIM HEIGHTS, 2410 WEST CHICAGO AVENUE.
WE ARE ON THE NORTH END OF THAT APARTMENT THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION.
I HAVE EIGHT COPIES FOR YOU IF YOU LIKE.
ONE IS MY OBJECTION.
THE SECOND IS A BLOW BY BLOW ACCOUNT OF ALL OF THE
CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD WITH ALL OF THE CITY OFFICIALS IN
THE LAST TWO YEARS COMING JANUARY TRYING TO REINSTATE THAT
ALLEYWAY.
4:23:21PM >> MA'AM, ARE WE GOING -- WOULD YOU LIKE IT TO BE RECEIVED
AND FILED?
4:23:31PM >> I WOULD.
YES, PLEASE.
4:23:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN EVIDENCE.
THANK YOU.
4:23:34PM >> TWO PAGES.
ONE IS MY OBJECTION.

THE SECOND ONE IS THE CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ARENA STATE THIS ALLEYWAY SINCE
PRETTY MUCH FEBRUARY OF 2021.
WE ARE COMING UP ON ALMOST TWO YEARS.
YES, IT IS TRUE, THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ENCROACHING ON IT.
WE WANT IT BACK BECAUSE WE ARE FEE SIMPLE TOWNHOMES BUT WE
ARE JOINED.
SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS THAT ACCESS WOULD
CUT OFF COMPLETELY.
MORE THAN HALF OF US WILL HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE BACK OF OUR
PROPERTY.
AND WHILE 12 FEET DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MUCH TO ANYBODY ELSE, WE
HAVE GOT A DEAD TREE THAT CANNOT BE GROUND OUT.
WE HAVE GOT PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BUILD, AND CONTRARY TO
WHAT THE ATTORNEY EARLIER HAD SAID, THERE IS ROOM FOR AN
AREA TO BE BUILT UP.
I PERSONALLY HAVE DONE THAT.
CITY GAVE ME A PERMIT.
I HAVE A FOOTER.
I ADDED 250 SQUARE FEET TO MY TOWNHOUSE, DID NOT ENCROACH ON
ANY OF THE EASEMENT.
BUT THERE ARE SECTIONS WHERE WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET TO
THAT.
THAT'S WHERE OUR UTILITIES ARE.
THAT'S WHERE OUR ELECTRIC -- OUR AC UNITS ARE, AND AGAIN,

THIS IS AS HE MENTIONED, THIS IS WHERE SPECTRUM AND ALL THAT
IS.
I SPOKE OF WITH ELLEN VIA WHO SENT ME TO KEVIN AMOS WHO SENT
ME TO ERIC COTTON, SPOKE WITH LUCKY WADE.
ALL THOSE SURVEYS THAT WERE DONE WERE DONE AT MY REQUEST.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CITY JUST DID.
THIS IS NOT 20IERS GOING UP WITH LOTS OF LITIGATION.
LITIGATION IS -- IF YOU VACATE THIS ALLEY AND THEY SAY YOU
EACH GOT HALF, THE CITY WASHES ITS HAND OF THAT ALLEYWAY AND
WE GET TO LITIGATION FOR OUR 6 FEET BECAUSE YOU AREN'T GOING
TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
BUT WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT.
SO THE LITIGATION COMES TO US.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AS A CITY COUNCIL, I DON'T CARE IF
STORMWATER AND EMS AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, OH, WE DON'T
CARE IF THIS THING GETS VACATED.
YOU HAVE THE POWER.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT.
AND I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ALLOW US
ACCESS TO THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY.
I HAVE SENT LETTERS TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON BACK IN JANUARY,
AND TWICE, AS DID OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN MY AREA.
I AM GIVING YOU THE BACKGROUND OF WHY THIS HAS EVEN COME UP.
AND I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON
IT.

BUT WE TRULY NEED YOU TO DENY.
THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
4:26:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:26:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, FOR THE ATTORNEY.
4:26:13PM >> I'M SORRY?
FOR THE ATTORNEY?
4:26:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
RON OR ROSS, EITHER ONE.
KIND OF CONFUSED HERE.
THE OBJECTION IS THAT SHE SPENT -- THE COMMUNITY SENT
SEVERAL LETTERS TO NOT CLOSE THIS ALLEY.
SO I AM KIND OF CONFUSED.
4:26:38PM >> THE TERM REINSTATE.
AND I CAN'T SPEAK ON -- I WILL HAVE RON SPEAK ON.
THAT BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF IT, IT'S
NEVER BEEN USED TECHNICALLY AS AN ALLEY, DOESN'T LOOK TO BE
THAT WAY, AND THAT'S JUST THE FACTS THAT I HAVE.
BUT TO REINSTATE IT, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CLEARING THAT
BUILDING, TRANSPORTATION HAS TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT.
THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.
FOR ANOTHER TIME.
4:27:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SHE SAYS THAT COMMUNITY THERE, YOU CAN
SEE, WHATEVER THEY HAVE DONE THEY HAVE DONE, AND THEY ARE

SAYING THEY ASKED THE CITY IN REFERENCE TO LEAVE IT THE WAY
IT WAS VERSUS VACATING IT.
I AM JUST WONDERING, WHY WE DIDN'T RESPOND TO THAT.
THEN WE BUILT A ROAD IN THERE, GOT TO FERRET THAT OUT.
4:27:36PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
I CAN'T SPEAK AS FAR AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS,
AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, TALKED WITH THEM OR WHO THEY ACTUALLY
SPOKE WITH.
BUT WHEN SOMEONE CONTACTED US TO VACATE IT, THAT'S WHY WE
ARE HERE.
4:27:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M KIND OF CONFUSED BECAUSE THAT WHOLE
COMMUNITY IS SAYING THEY WANT IT.
4:28:01PM >> RON WIGGINTON:
AGAIN JUST LIKE ROSS, I AM NOT ABLE TO
SPEAK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WHAT COMMUNICATIONS THEY HAVE
HAD.
I AM NOT PRIVY TO THAT.
SO UNFORTUNATELY I AM UNABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN THAT
REGARD.
4:28:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:28:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY. I DO HAVE A
QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT, SOMETHING THAT I AM LOOKING
AT.
WHEN WAS THIS APPLICATION FILED, DO YOU KNOW?
4:28:32PM >> IN MARCH.
MARCH 16th OF 2022.

4:28:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
4:28:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:28:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY JUST POINTED OUT TO
ME IN THIS CORRESPONDENCE WE JUST GOT, THAT I HEARD BACK
FROM BILL CARLSON, MY INITIAL E-MAIL.
I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL IN JANUARY.
I THINK YOU SAID THEY FILED IN MARCH.
BUT JUST TO READ IT OUT FOR THE RECORD, MY RESPONSE IS
THANKS FOR REACHING OUT, THIS IS SOMETHING LIKELY HANDLED BY
CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AT THE TIME I WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY -- I AM COPYING MY
LEGISLATIVE AIDE FOR YOU TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HER.
CITY COUNCIL MOSTLY DEALS WITH LAND USE ISSUES, THE BUDGET,
CREATING NEW LAW, CITY STAFF DON'T REPORT TO US BUT ARE
USUALLY GOOD ABOUT FOLLOWING UP.
THEN THE OTHER DAY THERE WAS A COPY IN THE QUASI BOX SAYING
THANK YOU TO YOUR E-MAIL, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO DISCUSS ABOUT LAND USE ISSUES BUT I WANT YOU TO
KNOW THAT WE RECEIVED YOUR E-MAIL FOR THE RECORD.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE THEY FILED.
4:29:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THANK YOU
FOR THAT DISCLOSURE.
AND JUST A REMINDER OF COUNCIL FOR TODAY, FOR THIS HEARING
OR ANY OTHER HEARINGS COMING FORTH, IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY
EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, ANY VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS, THAT

BEFORE GOING FORWARD YOU DISCLOSE THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF
THAT.
4:30:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED
BECAUSE THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, WE ARE REQUIRED TO
DISCLOSE ANY CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH ANYONE.
THE INITIAL E-MAIL THAT YOU AND I EXCHANGED DIDN'T TALK
ABOUT ANY CONTENT.
I JUST READ IT OUT.
IT WAS BEFORE THEY FILED.
BUT THE SECOND ONE I DID COPY THE QUASI BOX.
4:30:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON, BECAUSE YOU ARE
SUBMITTING THIS NOW INTO EVIDENCE, IT'S PUBLIC RECORD.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT --
4:30:33PM >> I ALSO --
4:30:35PM >> FOR TRANSPARENCY, I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE OF
IT SINCE IT IS NOW PUBLIC RECORD.
4:30:40PM >> OKAY.
4:30:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BRIEFLY.
4:30:43PM >> BRIEFLY, IF YOU WILL NOTICE EVERYTHING I COPIED SAYS ON
THE BOTTOM THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE IT'S ALL
CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH THE VARIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT BUT WE
WERE ALSO NOTIFIED JULY OF LAST YEAR THAT NOTICES WERE
GETTING READY TO BE SENT BY INSPECTOR SEGORA TO ALL THE
PEOPLE WHO WERE ENCROACHING ON THE ALLEYWAY, AND THEY WERE
REQUIRING THEM, THEY HAD GIVEN THEM A PERIOD OF TIME.

NEVER HEARD ANYTHING AFTER THAT, AND THE CITY DECIDED THEY
WERE GOING TO LEGALITY IT GO.
AND I WAS NEVER TOLD WHY.
4:31:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
4:31:15PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANKS FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
BRIDGET LAKES, 2420 WEST CHICAGO AVENUE.
I JUST WANT TO SHOW A FEW PICTURES JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE
WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THESE DOCUMENTS IT REALLY DOESN'T
TELL THE STORY --
4:31:31PM >> CAN YOU PULL IT DOWN OR ENLARGE IT, PLEASE?
OR THE WAY YOU HAD IT.
JUST PULL IT DOWN SO WE CAN SEE.
THERE YOU GO.
4:31:41PM >> SORRY.
THANK YOU.
SO JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU, SO THE COMMENT ABOUT UNUSED ALLEY
OR THOSE COMMENTS ABOUT OVERGROWN OR GRASS, AND THIS IS
ACTUALLY A PICTURE OF THE ALLEY ON THE STROUD SIDE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, 2409, THE PETITIONER OWNER AND DEVELOPER,
THAT IS THE BACKYARD, WHICH IS THE ALLEY.
SO THE PROBLEM POSED FOR US IS THAT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
STREET HAS TAKEN OVER THE 12-FOOT ALLEY AND EXTENDED THEIR
BACKYARD.

AND I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER PICTURES THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT TO
YOU.
BUT THESE COMMENTS ABOUT IT'S UNUSED OR WE DON'T WANT ACCESS
IS INCORRECT.
AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO ROGAINE
ACCESS, WHETHER WE WENT ABOUT IT CORRECTLY OR APPROPRIATELY
IS TO BE DEBATED BUT WE WERE TRYING TO WORK THE WAY WE WERE
GIVEN A PATH IN ORDER TO GET SOME KIND OF DUE PROCESS
BECAUSE WE HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE PHOTOS, WHAT YOU SEE IS
THE ENCROACHMENT THAT YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE MAP, YOU
ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE OF ENCROACHMENT IN THE
ALLEY.
AND THEN I THINK THE BIGGEST POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE HERE
TODAY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEE IT, IMAGINE THIS PHOTO SHOWS
MULTIPLE PHOTOS OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD IN THEIR
BACKYARD, AND AGAIN WE ARE FEE SIMPLE.
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO GET TO THE BACK SO YOU HAVE TO WALK
THROUGH THE INSIDE OF YOUR TOWNHOUSE AND OUT THE FRONT DOOR
AND VICE VERSA TO TAKE CONSTRUCTION OR YARD DEBRIS AND
THINGS OF THAT NATURE OUT.
AND AS WELL AS PEOPLE ARE BUILDING SUN ROOMS AND DIFFERENT
THINGS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ENCROACH ON THE EASEMENT.
PART OF THE REASON THAT WE HAVE A DISSENT IS BECAUSE STROUD
HAD ALREADY TAKEN OVER THE ALLEY.

SO LIKE I COULD PUT A GATE UP.
I CAN SWAP OUT MY FENCE AND PUT A GATE UP BUT WHAT WOULD BE
THE POINT IN PUTTING UP A GATE IF YOU ARE OPENING UP TO
SOMEBODY'S YARD?
I MEAN THAT REALLY WOULDN'T BODE WELL FOR PRIVACY.
SO AGAIN JUST A PICTURE OF SOME OF THOSE ENCROACHMENTS.
AND THEN IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT BOTTOM.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE AGAIN IS SOME RENDERINGS, AND THE PICTURES
IN THE MIDDLE SHOWING THE TOWN HOMES, WHAT THAT SHOWS YOU IS
THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE BACKYARD, AND THAT'S REALLY
WHAT WE WANT.
AND WE ARE JUST ASKING YOU, WHATEVER THAT SOLUTION IS, TO
WORK WITH US, BECAUSE WE JUST NEED ACCESS TO THE BACK OF OUR
PROPERTY.
ANY QUESTIONS?
4:34:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS?
4:34:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS A QUESTION FOR LEGAL OR STAFF,
WHILE THE LADY IS STILL STANDING THERE.
BUT IF THE NEIGHBORS THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE APPLYING FOR A
PROCESS TO REOPEN, COULD YOU TELL BECAUSE THAT PROBLEM SEES
WAS, AND HOW DID THIS ONE SUPERSEDE THAT, AND CAN YOU JUST
TELL US, KIND OF DUAL PROCESSES SOMEHOW.
4:34:43PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
AS FAR AS REOPENING THE ALLEYWAY, TO USE IT AS A
TRANSPORTATION --

4:34:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK BASED ON WHAT THE TESTIMONY THEY
JUST GAVE, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO
REOPEN THE ALLEY.
WHAT WAS THE STATUS OF THAT PROCESS?
DID IT START BEFORE OR AFTER?
4:35:02PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
UNFORTUNATELY I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THOSE
NEGOTIATIONS SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT EFFORTS WERE MADE TO
REOPEN THE ALLEY OR WHAT REQUESTS HAVE BEEN MADE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ACTION WAS TAKEN BY THE CITY. WHETHER IT
BE THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
4:35:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:

4:35:17PM >> I WONDER IF ANY OF THE PEOPLE THEY COMMUNICATED WITH ARE
HERE.
4:35:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU FINISHED?
4:35:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
4:35:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN CAN WE REQUEST TO HAVE STAFF COME DOWN,
AND SOMEONE WHO WAS INVOLVED, SO WE COULD GET SOME ANSWERS?
WE NEED THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED.
4:35:37PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
CERTAINLY.
IN THAT CASE, IF THAT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, THEN
I RECOMMEND YOU CONTINUE THE FIRST READING.
4:35:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COULD I ASK A QUESTION?
IS IT ALL RIGHT?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

4:35:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN ALL OF MY YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE I
NEVER HEARD OF THIS ONE IN MY LIFE.
BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TWO PARTIES -- ONE IS ALREADY CLOSED.
BOTH SIDE.
AND SOMEBODY IS USING SOME PARTS OF THE ALLEY.
SOMEBODY WANTS THAT PART OF THE ALLEY.
SO I THINK IT'S BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNERS, NOT US.
4:36:14PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
I WOULD CONCUR.
4:36:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND SOMEBODY TAKE IT OVER.
THAT'S FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DECIDE.
4:36:25PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
I'M SORRY, IT IS NOT CITY LAND.
THE ONLY INTEREST THE CITY MAY HAVE IS AN EASEMENT.
WHETHER IT BE RIGHT-OF-WAY, UTILITY, OR OTHERWISE.
4:36:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BY BEING AN EASEMENT NOBODY IS PAYING
TAX ON AN EASEMENT.
I'M NOT ARGUING WITH THE ATTORNEY.
I WILL LOSE.
4:36:44PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
AND I AM NOT A, TAKE EXPERT BUT I KNOW
ENOUGH TO GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE.
4:36:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MA'AM, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, PLEASE?
CAN YOU PUT BACK THAT PHOTO THAT HAS THE BLUE LAWN CHAIRS
THAT SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN OVER, THE EASEMENT?
THANK YOU.
THAT VINYL FENCE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THAT PICTURE, IS
NO YOUR FENCE?

4:37:10PM >> WE OWN THE FENCE, AND WE INSTALLED IT, AND IT IS FLEXIBLE
WHERE WE CAN ADD GATES, BUT WE CAN'T --
4:37:19PM >> YOU DON'T HAVE A GATE NOW?
4:37:20PM >> SOME OF US DO AND SOME OF US DON'T.
AND THE REASON --
4:37:24PM >> WHEN WAS THAT FENCE PUT IN?
4:37:26PM >> I DON'T -- I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK.
4:37:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GIVE ME A ROUGH ESTIMATE.
FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS?
4:37:34PM >> 2015.
IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS.
4:37:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITHIN SEVEN YEARS.
OKAY.
AND YOU PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A FENCE -- IN SEVEN YEARS YOU
HAVEN'T ACTUALLY HAD ACCESS TO THAT?
4:37:46PM >> YES, RIGHT.
THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ACCESS, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THIS IS AN
ALLEY.
I NEGLECTED TO MENTION WE HAVE DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH THE
NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE OWN THAT ENTIRE BLOCK, BECAUSE WE HAVE
A 21-UNIT --
4:38:05PM >> I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF.
I AM TRYING TO GET SOME QUICK ANSWERS.
4:38:11PM >> CERTAINLY.

4:38:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OF ALL THE CONDOMINIUM OWNERS, OR TOWN
HOMEOWNERS, HOW MANY HAVE FENCES?
4:38:19PM >> IT'S A PERIMETER FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY.
4:38:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ON THIS ALLEYWAY, HOW MANY UNITS OWN
FENCES?
4:38:26PM >> THERE WOULD BE 12.
4:38:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND HOW MANY HAVE GATES?
4:38:32PM >> ONE?
4:38:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, ONLY ONE PERSON
HAS BEEN ABLE TO GET INTO THE ALLEYWAY --
4:38:41PM >> WELL, AND TECHNICALLY, THAT'S CORRECT, BUT TECHNICALLY,
THE PARKING LOT OF A CONDO BUILDING TO GET THERE.
SO TECHNICALLY FOR US TO GET TO OUR BACK, WHICH HAS
HAPPENED, A CITY TREE IN THE BACK OF ONE OF THE PROPERTY,
HAD TO GET PERMISSION FROM A STROUD HOME OWNER TO GET
THROUGH THEIR YARD IN ORDER TO GET TO THE PROPERTY BUT IF IT
WAS THERE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THEY DID DAMAGE TO THEIR YARD.
THE OWNER HAD TO PAY FOR IT AS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE
THEY HAD TO GAIN ACCESS TO STROUD.
THAT'S ALSO WHEN THE ISSUE, THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT'S
SHOWN, THERE WAS A DOG BITE BECAUSE A FOSTER DOG WAS IN THE
BACK ON OUR SIDE, AND A CHILD REACHED UNDER THE FENCE, AND
THE DOG BIT THEIR HAND.
IF THE ALLEY WAS THERE, THAT WOULD HAVE CREATED SPACE FOR

THAT INCIDENT NOT TO HAPPEN.
SO WE ARE LIKE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT, RIGHT?
4:39:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A GARAGE, IN THE TOWNHOMES, ANYBODY HAVE A
GARAGE IN THE BACK?
4:39:43PM >> NOT IN THE BACK.
ONLY IN THE FRONT.
4:39:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM?
4:39:46PM >>CHAIRMAN:
I SAID I NEED TO LEAVE HERE AT FIVE.
4:39:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU FOR BEING ABLE TO BE AROUND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:40:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
4:40:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS JUST ASKING MY QUESTION.
I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GET MY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE WENT TO
CONTINUE.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COUNCILMAN, YOU ALL HAVE ALL THIS
UNLIMITED TIME TO TALK, BUT BEFORE WE GO MAKE A MOVEMENT I
WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MY SAY.
OKAY.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE.
PROCEED.
4:40:36PM >> DR. REESE GARDNER, 2403 WEST STROUD ONE OF THE STROUD

MISFITS THAT THE CONDO IS REFERRING TO.
WE ARE ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF STROUD AND GLEN, WHICH IS --
I AM NOT SURE HOW THIS WORKS.
4:41:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE IT CORRECT.
4:41:03PM >> OKAY.
SO WE ARE, WHERE, HERE?
ON STROUD.
OKAY.
WE ARE HERE.
THIS IS THE SIDE HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NOTHING BUILT HERE.
THESE ARE BRICKS IN SAND THAT THE CITY GAVE US PERMISSION TO
PUT.
IT WAS A DIRT DRIVEWAY, SO BASICALLY WE DIDN'T CLAIM IT.
WE JUST PUT THE BRICKS THERE AND WERE GIVEN PERMISSION TO DO
SO.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE HOUSE SINCE 1989, WHEN I BOUGHT THE
HOUSE, THE FENCE WAS UP.
IT WASN'T THE PLASTIC ONE.
IT WAS A WOODEN FENCE WAS UP.
OKAY.
AND LONG STORY SHORT, WHEN THEY DID CHANGE THE FENCE, WITH
REFERENCE TO THE DOG BITE, THE FENCE HAS A GAP THIS BIG.
THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THE FENCE WITH RUSTED REBAR AND WIRES
STICKING OUT, OKAY.

SO ANYBODY PUTTING THEIR HAND THROUGH THE FENCE, NUMBER ONE,
COULD HAVE GOTTEN CUT, OKAY, AND IF IT WAS AN ALLEY, ANYBODY
COULD WALK BACK THERE, STICK THEIR HAND, AND THERE WOULD BE
MORE PEOPLE STICKING THEIR HANDS UNDERNEATH THE FENCE, OKAY,
THAT YOU COULD CHECK IT RUSTY REBAR WIRE AND BROKEN GLASS
ALL ALONG THE BOTTOM.
SO THE FENCE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE BEFORE 1989.
THE ONLY WAY FOR THESE PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE BACK OF
THEIR PROPERTY WOULD BE TO OPEN UP A SPACE, OKAY.
IF THEY GIVE US SIX FEET AND WE GET SIX FEET, GUESS WHAT,
THERE IS STILL NO SPACE.
SO FOR THEM TO GET OUT THE BACK, WHICH THEY BOUGHT THE
CONDOS, THERE WAS NO ACCESS TO THE BACK, OKAY.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE AN ALLEY, AN OPEN ALLEY, WHERE YOU
CLEAR CUT, TAKE DOWN GOOD 200-YEAR-OLD OAK TREES TO DO SO.
I AM GOING TO MAKE A REFERENCE TO THIS BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL
THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THE CONDOS THAT ARE
MISLEADING, MAKING MISLEADING STATEMENT.
THERE WAS A LETTER DISCUSSING --
[BELL SOUNDS]
HOW DANGEROUS IT WAS NOT TO HAVE BACK ACCESS.
THERE WAS A FIRE, THEY MENTIONED, WHERE A GENTLEMAN DIED
BECAUSE THEY, QUOTE, COULDN'T HAVE ACCESS.
THE FIRE WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
IT DID NOT ABUT UP TO THE NEIGHBORS ON STROUD.

IT WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND IF YOU NOTICED, CHICAGO IS A BIG STREET FOR THEM TO GET
DOWN.
THE GENTLEMAN, A FRIEND OF MINE'S SISTER WAS STAYING WITH
THIS GENTLEMAN.
HE WAS DISABLED AND COULDN'T GET OUT OF THE CONDO. IT HAD
NOTHING TO DO WITH ACCESS.
THE FIRE TRUCKS WERE THERE INSTANTLY.
I HEARD THEM AND I WENT AROUND AND I SAW WHAT HAPPENED.
[BELL SOUNDS]
4:43:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
4:43:52PM >> THERE'S ONE OTHER THING.
4:43:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOUR TIME IS UP.
WE ARE ALL ONLY ALLOWED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
I THANK YOU.
4:44:01PM >> ALL RIGHT.
I APPRECIATE YOU.
I BELIEVE IT'S OUT OF SPITE THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING.
4:44:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
THERE WAS A MOTION YOU WANTED TO MAKE?
4:44:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I MAKE A MOTION --
4:44:15PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I'M SORRY, I HAVE REBUTTAL TIME HERE.
4:44:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU WILL HAVE REBUTTAL TIME.
4:44:20PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I JUST THINK WE HAVE GONE FAR AFIELD OF

THIS ISSUE.
THEIR DESIGN ISSUES REGARDING THEIR TOWNHOUSES HAVE NOTHING
TO DO WITH VACATING THE ALLEY.
EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IS DESIGNED EXACTLY THE SAME
WAY.
THEY ARE ALL FENCED OFF.
AND I HAVE LOOKED AT THAT ALLEY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A SINGLE GATE THAT ACCESSES IT OFF OF THE
CHICAGO SIDE, NONE.
I MEAN, FITS THE COUNCIL'S WISHES TO CONTINUE THIS FOR
ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION FOR MOBILITY, I SHOWED YOU THE
CHECKLIST.
THEY SIGNED OFF ON IT.
THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE BEEN THE MONEY TO REINSTATE, TO
REOPEN AND PAVE THIS ALLEY.
THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
THEY BARELY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAINTAIN THE ALLEYS THAT WE
HAVE.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY SIGNED OFF ON IT.
EMS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, THEY SIGNED OFF ON IT.
THEY DON'T ACCESS IT VIA THE REAR.
THEY HAVE A VERY WIDE STREET ON THE FRONT ON THE CHICAGO
SIDE WHICH THEY ACCESS FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS.
IF SOMEBODY HAS A HARDSHIP REGARDING ACCESSING THEIR REAR
PART OF THEIR HOME, BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT THAT, I DON'T HAVE

ANY CONTROL OVER THAT, AND THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY EXCEPT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S
THE COUNCIL'S WISHES TO CONTINUE, FINE, WE'LL CONTINUE AND
MOVE ON.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO BE THIS PETITIONER TO BE HELD
RESPONSIBLE FOR DESIGN ISSUES.
4:45:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
4:45:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
4:45:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DOES THE PETITIONER HAVE TO AGREE TO A
REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE BY COUNCIL?
4:45:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HE HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE IT HEARD.
IF HE OBJECTS TO THE CONTINUANCE, THEN CERTAINLY HE GOES
FORWARD WITH WHATEVER COUNCIL'S DECISION IS.
IF COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT THEY NEED A CONTINUANCE --
4:46:12PM >> THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, OFF MOTION YOU WANT TO MAKE?
4:46:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR?
WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ASK STAFF.
SO I -- I WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF.
4:46:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S ONE OF THE RELEVANT QUESTIONS YOU
WOULD ASK STAFF.
4:46:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT STAFF HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER
QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK, MR. SHELBY.
SO IF COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE BECAUSE SHE HAS
OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T GO ON THE

ADVICE OF THE ATTORNEY, AND HE WAS SUGGESTING WE GO DO A
CONTINUANCE.
4:46:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
4:46:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY --
4:47:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. MICHELINI INDICATED HE DIDN'T OBJECT.
IS THAT CORRECT?
4:47:04PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I AM NOT OBJECTING.
I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TESTIFIED.
I THINK THAT TESTIMONY OUGHT TO BE ENOUGH AND SUFFICIENT FOR
THIS HEARING.
4:47:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, IT TURNS OUT THAT PEOPLE HAVE
REGISTERED --
4:47:18PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
UM TALKING ABOUT THE ONES WHO HAVE
ALREADY SPOKEN.
4:47:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN DON'T
GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK A SECOND TIME NOW. WHAT HAPPENS TO
THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING ONLINE?
ALSO I SHOULD POINT OUT, COUNCIL, THAT THERE ARE OTHER
HEARINGS TO BE HEARD TODAY, AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE TO
TESTIFY, AND I HEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOSING ANOTHER
COUNCILMEMBER SHORTLY.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
SO LET'S JUST -- WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE WITH REGARD TO
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING TO TESTIFY?
THEY ARE ALL ONLINE.

THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING.
IT IS NOW, WHAT, 4:50 IN THE AFTERNOON.
4:47:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF IT'S CONTINUED THEY CAN
TESTIFY THE NEXT TIME WHEN THIS COMES BACK.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, AND MR. MICHELINI
CAN'T ANSWER THEM AND EITHER CAN ROSS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHY WE ARE STILL GOING DOWN THIS ROAD AND IT'S AFTER 5:00
AND YOU KNOW STAFF ISN'T HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
4:48:13PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
WHICH MEN'S MEMBERS OF THE STAFF DO YOU
WANT TO BE PRESENT?
MOBILITY?
4:48:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY CAN ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.
4:48:27PM >> BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE.
4:48:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, ROSS IS HERE.
HE WEE DO DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS FILED PREVIOUSLY.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON AND WE DON'T KNOW.
4:48:41PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
AS FAR AS RESTATEMENT, PETITIONERS DON'T
COME OR MY DEPARTMENT TO REINSTATE AN ALLEY.
ONLY THE VACATE.
WE ONLY DO ENCROACHMENTS, RELEASE OF EASEMENTS.
THAT'S ALL WE DEAL WITH.
AS FAR AS CODE ENFORCEMENT, I CAN'T SPEAK ON THAT AND I
DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY FILED THE CODE VIOLATION, OR WHEN A
CITATION WAS IN PLACE.
4:49:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK WE NEED MORE RESEARCH, ROSS.

AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT WANTING TO PAVE AN ALLEY.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF ALLEYS THAT ARE NOT CLOSED THAT ARE NOT
PAVED, AND TO ME, ABOUT A ROAD BEING PAVED, I DON'T CARE
ABOUT THAT.
I JUST WANT THE INFORMATION TO FIND OUT WHAT THESE FOLKS
WERE SAYING FIRST SO THESE FOLKS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET
THEIR CASE HEARD, AND I WANT THE FACTS.
SO I WANT TO CONTINUE IT.
4:49:32PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
AND I FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR CLEAR
QUESTIONS NOW SO LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAN AND MYSELF CAN REACH
OUT TO SEE WHO NEEDS TO PROPERLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
4:49:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
4:49:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, IS YOUR LINE OF
QUESTIONING FINISHED FOR NOW?
4:49:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF YOU ARE ASKING --
4:49:55PM >> OTHERWISE I WILL HAVE COUNCILMAN --
4:49:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF YOU ARE SAYING MOBILITY, YOU NEED CODE
OR LAND DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER, TO BE ABLE TO BE SAY, WHAT
HAPPENED WITH THESE FOLKS, WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND GIVE
US ANSWERS ABOUT THIS ALLEYWAY.
IT'S SIMPLE.
4:50:10PM >> YES, SIR.
4:50:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:50:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MEAN, WE CAN FOLLOW THIS E-MAIL THREAD,
AND AGAIN I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO READ IT BECAUSE I JUST GOT

IT.
BUT IT LOOKS, IF I AM JUST LOOKING THROUGH IT, IT LOOKS LIKE
CODE ENFORCEMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT WAS INVOLVED,
LOOKS LIKE DEVELOPMENT GROWTH AND MANAGEMENT WAS INVOLVED,
LOOKS LIKE THE CITY SURVEYOR WAS INVOLVED, SOME SO WE JUST
HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, CODE ENFORCEMENT SUPERVISOR, AND
THEN BILL CARLSON WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
AND NOW WE ARE BACK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD
ENHANCEMENT.
SO THOSE FOLKS.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THIS E-MAIL, IT WOULD BE HANDY SO THAT
THEY COULD HELP PROVIDE THE TIMELINE.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR A TIMELINE OF HOW THIS ALL STARTED.
LIKE HOW DID IT ALL START?
HOW DID WE GET THIS NICE SURVEY?
WHY DID WE HAVE THE NICE SURVEY?
IF IT WAS A NICE SURVEY, WHY?
SO IT SEEMS LIKE ALL THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN
THIS.
4:51:20PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
UNDERSTAND, CAN COUNCILWOMAN.
YES, I UNDERSTAND WHO NEEDS TO BE PRESENT FOR THE NEXT
HEARING IF YOU WILL.
HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AS TO THE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE HEARD BECAUSE NUMBER ONE THEY
COULD HAVE AN IMPACT AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS
CASE OR NOT AND THEY MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR WHEN YOU DO
THE FIRST READING.
IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
4:51:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:51:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME SEE IF I CAN PUT ALL OF THIS
TOGETHER.
THIS IS AN ALLEY THAT'S NOT CLOSED, PERIOD.
RIGHT?
BUT YET ON BOTH SIDE, THERE'S A FENCE ON IT.
4:51:58PM >> TECHNICALLY THE ALLEYWAY IS CLOSED, NOT BY ANY ACTION OF
THE CITY.
4:52:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHATEVER THE EASEMENT.
4:52:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHATEVER THE EASEMENT WAS NORTH OR SOUTH.
THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOMEBODY EXPANDS THAT YOU ARE
PROPERTY, AND NOW THE ALLEY IS NOT CLOSED, BUT IT'S CLOSED,
IN THEORY, BECAUSE SOMEBODY WENT IN AND DID THEIR SIX FEET.
MAYBE AT THIS TIME WHOLE ALLEY, YOU DON'T KNOW.
NOW THE PETITIONER, THEY WANT TO MOVE INTO THE ALLEY AND
THEY CAN'T.
IS THAT WHAT IT IS?
4:52:35PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
IT'S REALLY A PROPERTY QUESTION HERE,
BECAUSE REALLY THAT'S WHERE IT GETS REALLY TRICKY ABOUT WHO
IS ENCROACHING ON WHO.

4:52:49PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
YOU CAN'T BUILD IN THAT ALLEY.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BUILD.
4:52:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE.
4:52:57PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THIS PETITION IS
DESIGNED TO BE TRY TO STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT.
AND THAT'S FINE, A CONTINUANCE IS FINE IF YOU WANT IT.
BUT GET THE OTHER PARTIES OUT HERE AND GET THEM TO EXPLAIN
TO YOU WHY THAT ALLEY CANNOT BE REOPENED.
THAT'S FINE.
4:53:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF I LISTENED TO JUDGE WAPNER, HE HAD A
CASE LIKE THIS BEFORE.
4:53:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
MADAM CLERK, WE HAVE PEOPLE ONLINE?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
4:53:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD ASK MS. PRICE.
I JUST SCANNED THE E-MAILS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT STARTED
WITH MY OFFICE WHERE WE DIAGNOSED IT AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT
ISSUE AND YOU WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH KEVIN AMOS,
CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT WHEN YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS SPOKE, YOU
SAID THAT SOMEBODY GAVE YOU THE INDICATION, YOU OR SHE SAID
THAT SOMEBODY GAVE YOU THE INDICATION THAT YOU WERE IN SOME
KIND OF PROCESS TO REESTABLISH THE ALLEY.
4:53:55PM >> 729, WHICH WAS AT PAGE 4 AT THE VERY BOTTOM YOU WILL SEE
THE KEVIN AMOS SENT A NOTICE THAT THEY WERE QUIETLY STARTING
TO PROVIDE NOTICES TO THE PEOPLE ON STROUD, ABOUT

ENCROACHMENT, AND THEY WOULD BE GIVEN AN AMPLE AMOUNT OF
TIME TO REMEDY IT AND GET EVERYTHING OUT OF THERE.
4:54:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY QUESTION IS THIS.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO TO BRING BACK FOR THE NEXT
MEETING.
4:54:21PM >> CLARENCE WADE, KEVIN AMOS, ERIC COTTON, NICOLE SEGORA WHO
IS THE INSPECTOR.
ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE DEALT WITH.
BARBARA LYNCH IS THE ONE WHO TOLD ME WHERE DO GO.
BUT I HAVE JUST BEEN CHASING MY TAIL.
IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY UNDER 1IN A CIRCUMSTANCES IS
ANYTHING PUNITIVE, OR THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS EXCEPT FOR
THE FACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ON THE BACK OF OUR
PROPERTY.
WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD ON THE ALLEYWAY.
WE HAVE ROOM TO BUILD.
4:54:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE YOU ALREADY
TOOK YOUR THREE MINUTES.
BUT JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
YOU RATTLED OFF A WHOLE BUNCH OF NAMES.
I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF TO REPLAY THIS AND GET THAT LIST, AND
INVITE THOSE FOLKS TO THE NEXT MEETING.
THANK YOU.
4:55:05PM >> THANK YOU.

4:55:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE THAT ARE GOING TO BE GIVING
ANY KIND OF TESTIMONY, WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND TO
BE SWORN IN?
ARE THESE THE ONLY 2001 PEOPLE WE HAVE?
4:55:20PM >>THE CLERK:
FELICIA LIVINGOOD.
SHE NEEDS TO TURN ON YOUR VIDEO.
STEPHANIE POYNOR, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SHE HAS VIDEO
CAPABILITY SO SHE HAS TO LOG IN OUT AND LOG BACK IN.
4:55:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND THESE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT ARE ON CAMERA
NOW.
GENTLEMEN, COULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE
SWORN IN?
4:55:48PM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT
YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
TRUTH?
4:55:53PM >> YES.
4:55:55PM >>THE CLERK:
YES.
4:55:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROBERT, LET'S GO WITH YOU FIRST.
4:55:58PM >> MY NAME IS ROBERT MONTAGRINNO.
A HOMEOWNER SINCE 2018 AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE SAY I AM
AGAINST THE ABOLISHMENT OF THE ALLEYWAY.
THE ATTORNEY EARLIER SAID THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO USE OF THE
ALLEYWAY, AND MISREPRESENTATION BECAUSE THE OWNERS ON STROUD
AVENUE HAVE ILLEGALLY ENCROACHED ON 126 FEET, THAT'S THE

ALLEYWAY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT UPON.
BECAUSE OF THIS, AND THE FACT THAT OUR HOUSES ARE NOT FREE
STANDING HOMES, IT IS DIFFICULT TO ACCESS THE BACK OF THE
HOUSE TO HAVE EITHER PEOPLE COME WORK ON IT, DO RENOVATIONS
TO THE HOUSE, ACCESS, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, SUCH AS AC UNIT,
AND BECAUSE OF THIS WE ARE DENIED THE ACCESS THAT THE PEOPLE
ON WEST STROUD ARE ENTITLED TO, BECAUSE EARLIER THE USE OF
THE ALLEYWAY OF 12 FEET THAT THEY BUILT UPON, THAT IS
SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR THE PUBLIC, RESTAURANT, WEST CHICAGO
AVENUE RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE NOT HAD THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THIS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ALLEYWAY REOPENED IN THE
FUTURE.
4:57:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT YOUR TESTIMONY?
4:57:14PM >> YES, SIR.
4:57:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
WE'LL TAKE YOU NEXT, PATRICK.
UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
4:57:35PM >> MY NAME IS PATRICK MONTAGRINNO.
I AGREE WITH THE PRIOR OWNER ABOUT THE ABOLISHMENT OF THE
ALLEYWAY.
THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOCK US IN ON, THAT'S THE
FENCE THAT WAS BUILT FOR THE WEST CHICAGO TOWNHOMES, HAS S
NOT IN THE ALLEYWAY.
AND BASICALLY THE HOMEOWNERS OR WEST STROUD HAVE ENCROACHED

12 FEET, THE ENTIRE ALLEYWAY.
SO THAT'S THE FENCE ON THE WEST CHICAGO SIDE.
AND IT'S NOT IN THE ALLEYWAY.
AND I GUESS THERE'S NO FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE ON WEST
STROUD.
IT'S JUST THEIR BACK YARDS ESSENTIALLY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
4:58:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MRS. LIVINGOOD, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE
SWORN IN?
4:58:29PM >>THE CLERK:

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
4:58:32PM >> FELICIA LIVINGOOD:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME AND
YOUR PATIENCE.
I KNOW WE ARE AT 5:00.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I JUST WANT TO SAY AS A NEW HOMEOWNER IN THIS TOWN HOME THAT
I BELIEVE THERE WAS A STATEMENT ABOUT HOW THE FENCE WAS
BUILT, AND ACCESS WAS KIND OF BLOCKED OFF, AND I DON'T THINK
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO BUILD A FENCE TO
SOMEONE'S BACKYARD, AND JUST TO REITERATE ON THE ACCESS
PORTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS OUR BACK YARDS.
WITH THE RECENT HURRICANE THERE HAS BEEN A HURRICANE AND A
LOT OF PICTURES WITH THAT.
SO JUST TO HAVE THE ABILITY AND STROUD TO HAVE THE ABILITY

AS WELL.
4:59:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR THE RECORD CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR
NAME?
4:59:25PM >> FELICIA LIVINGOOD.
4:59:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE ONLINE?
4:59:33PM >>THE CLERK:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
4:59:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE YOUR
MOTION?
4:59:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS UNTIL
WE CAN HAVE THE STAFF INVOLVED IN THIS E-MAIL CHAIN
AVAILABLE.
5:00:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THE DATE AND TIME CERTAIN, PLEASE.
THAT'S REQUIRED.
THAT'S REQUIRED --
5:00:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN DO WE HAVE TIME FOR THAT?
5:00:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, DO YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO
SPEAK FOR STAFF?
5:00:22PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
THERE WOULD BE SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS THAT
NEED TO BE NOTIFIED AND PREPARED.
I WOULD REQUEST AT LEAST 45 DAYS UNLESS THE APPLICANT HAS
ANY OBJECTION.
45 DAYS.
5:00:34PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
AS MR. MIRANDA SAID, THIS IS A UNIQUE
SITUATION.

SO I THINK IF STAFF NEEDS 45 DAYS, THAT'S FINE.
I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE HAVE IT ON A DAY WHEN YOU HAVE --
NOT HAVE SO MANY HEARINGS SIGNED UP.
[ LAUGHTER ]
5:00:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU THINK --
5:00:58PM >> I AM HERE FOR THE DURATION.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE.
5:01:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. POYNOR, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT
HAND TO BE SWORN IN?
YOU ARE MUTED, MS. POYNOR.
5:01:12PM >> HI.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
5:01:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN, MS.
POYNOR.
5:01:17PM >>THE CLERK:

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
5:01:19PM >> I DO.
5:01:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE IT, COULD YOU
PLEASE TAKE THE SIGN DOWN BEHIND YOU?
5:01:30PM >> OH, I'M SORRY.
5:01:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S AN OLD SIGN
FROM FOUR YEARS AGO.
5:01:40PM >> I JUST SET IT UP.
I HAD NO IDEA.
OKAY.

SO HERE IS WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT.
THERE ARE SEVEN LETTERS AGAINST THIS, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS,
THAT HAVE BEEN IN THERE SINCE AUGUST.
THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THIS STUFF COMING UP LAST MINUTE AT
THIS HEARING.
THIS WAS MISNOTICED.
PEOPLE -- AND, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT PEOPLE DO THINGS
THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO WITHOUT PERMISSION.
BUT THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE THEM DOING THAT.
SO I'M REALLY, REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT HOW IF YOU VACATE THIS
ALLEYWAY IT'S ACTUALLY NEEDED.
IF THOSE FOLKS WANT TO CUT DOWN A TREE, THEY WILL EITHER
HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM ONE OF THE PEOPLE ON THE SOUTH
SIDE, OR DRAG IT THROUGH THEIR HOUSE.
THERE'S NO WAY AROUND.
THEY DON'T HAVE -- BUT SEVEN LETTERS ON ACCELA AND WE ARE
SHOWING UP HERE?
AND HOW MANY TIMES DID THEY CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THEY
ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT BEFORE THIS MUCH
VACATION WAS EVER FILED?
IT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
AND ACTUALLY THERE'S A WHOLE LOT INFORMATION AND
PowerPoint THAT WILL MAKE THE HAIR STAND UP ON THE BACK OF
YOUR NECK.
THIS TO ME --

IT NEED TO BE POSTPONED, BUT IT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE WHAT IT
SHOULD BE WHICH IS AN ALLEYWAY AND THESE FOLKS ON CHICAGO
DON'T MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF BECAUSE THEY ARE NICE PEOPLE.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
5:03:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO FINAL MAKE THE
MOTION?
5:03:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DID.
BUT THE DATE, WHAT'S 45 DAYS FROM NOW?
SOUND LIKE DECEMBER.
5:03:44PM >> I APOLOGIZE BUT I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD BY STAFF AND OTHERS
THAT 30 DAYS IS SUFFICIENT TIME.
5:03:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
SO THAT ONE BRING US TO THE 17th?
AND IF WE COULD MAKE THAT TIME CERTAIN AT 1:30 SINCE
THAT'S --
5:04:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU COULD MAKE IT WHATEVER TIME CERTAIN
YOU WANT.
BUT WHEN YOU MAKE IT TIME CERTAIN, WHATEVER IS HAPPENING HAS
TO BE WRAPPED UP, AND THEN YOU GO --
5:04:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I WOULD JUST PUT IT FIRST.
5:04:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN DO WE GET TO THE REST OF THEM?
5:04:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.
5:04:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION?
5:04:30PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]

5:04:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
10:30 A.M. AS THE FIRST ITEM UNDER THAT
SECTION.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
TIME UNDER THAT.
THANK YOU.
5:04:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:04:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. SHELBY, CAN YOU JUST MAKE IT CLEAR?
I THINK YOU ALL SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO WHEN IT COMES BACK,
THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW AT PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CANNOT SPEAK
AGAIN.
CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT?
5:05:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I CAN CLARIFY IT BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS
BARRING ANY CHANGES THAT THEY CAN'T SPEAK GREN, BUT IF THERE
IS SOMETHING THAT DOES SUB TAN UNFORTUNATELY THE CHANGE, AND
I DON'T THINK IT IS BECAUSE TO VACATE THEY NORMALLY WOULD
NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN.
SO THE ANSWER IS, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE THAT
IS PRODUCED PRIOR TO THE HEARING, NO, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY SPEAK AGAIN.
5:05:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:05:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH OUR CITY
COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BUT WHATEVER IS COMING, NEW PEOPLE ARE
COMING, AND THERE WILL BE NEW TESTIMONY, SO YOU ARE GOING TO

AVOID THESE INDIVIDUALS FROM QUESTIONING PEOPLE THAT ARE
COMING IN THAT MAY PRESENT TESTIMONY, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HEARD THE
TESTIMONY OR WHATEVER.
5:05:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
IT SOUND LIKE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK BECAUSE THERE WILL
BE NEW TESTIMONY.
5:06:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WON'T BE NEW TESTIMONY FROM THE
PETITIONER MR. MICHELINI, AND THE THING IS WE HAVE HAD
ISSUES WHERE THE FIRST PERSON WHO SPEAKS, THE LAST PERSON
WHO SPEAKS WANTS TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE
AND WE DON'T ALLOW THAT DURING THE SAME HEARING.
SO IT WILL BE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S
NOT LIKE -- IT'S NOT LIKE A NEW SITE PLAN COMING IN WHERE
THERE ARE CHANGES BY THE PETITIONER TO A PLAN, AND THEY HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ONLY THE CHANGES.
5:06:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
5:06:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FINISH YOURS.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:06:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
I ONLY HAVE AN 8th GRADE EDUCATION.
BUT WHEN YOU ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO COME IN AND GIVE TESTIMONY
AND TV TO WHAT THEY DID OR DIDN'T DO, IF THOSE FOLKS -- THAT
WOULD BE CONTESTABLE, WOULDN'T IT SIR?
5:07:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE ARE HEARD ABOUT PEOPLE YOU HEARD FROM

TODAY, WHETHER THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK
AND TAKE ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
AND NORMALLY, NORMALLY DURING REGULAR REZONINGS, WE DO NOT
ALLOW THAT.
IF YOU FEEL AND THEY ARE PRESENT IF YOU WANT TO ASK THEM
QUESTIONS, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT TO GIVE EVERYBODY ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO REHASH WHAT
THEY HAVE ALREADY PREVIOUSLY SAID WOULD BE REDUNDANT.
5:07:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I GUESS WE'LL PLAY THAT BY EAR WHEN WE GET
THERE.
5:07:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE AGAIN, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS
IS NOT A ZONING HEARING.
HOW WOULD ANYONE HERE FEEL IF YOU GAVE TESTIMONY TODAY, AND
THERE'S SOME PEOPLE COMING IN AND YOU CAN'T SPEAK BECAUSE
YOU ALREADY GAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES. TO ME THAT'S
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
5:07:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE --
5:07:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES, NO I AM JUST SAYING --
5:07:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I UNDERSTAND MR. MIRANDA'S POINT AND AS
LONG AS PEOPLE ARE ON NOTICE THAT COUNCIL IS READY WILLING
TO DO THAT, THEN ON NOTICE THAT THEY CAN DO IT AND THAT'S
FINE, TOO.
YOU CAN MAKE THAT PART OF YOUR MOTION IF YOU WISH, OR JUST
BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, EITHER WAY.
5:08:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO I NEED TO ADD THAT IN MY MOTION?

AND I MIGHT AS WELL.
THAT WAY EVERYBODY KNOWS, THAT THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO
SPEAK AGAIN ON THIS ITEM.
5:08:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
YOU ARE AMENABLE TO THE CONTINUANCE.
MR. MICHELINI?
5:08:34PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
YES, SIR.
5:08:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE
CONTINUANCE REQUEST ONLY?
IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE THAT WOULD STILL LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE
CONTINUANCE REQUEST ONLY?
THANK YOU.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THIS MOTION.
5:08:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:08:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:09:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:09:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:09:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:09:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
5:09:03PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
5:09:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, THE SCHEDULING THING, I HAVE TO

PICK UP MY KIDS BEFORE 6:00.
SO I CAN EITHER HAVE A HARD STOP AT 5:30.
THERE'S A BIG CASE COMING UP AND TWO OR THREE CASES.
I CAN EITHER LEAVE AT 5:30 AND IF WE HAVEN'T HIT THAT ONE
THEN I WON'T BE HERE.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS WE CAN MOVE THAT ONE FORWARD, OR ANOTHER
ALTERNATIVE IS I CAN GO GET MY KIDS AND HOPE THAT I MAKE IT
BACK IN TIME FOR THAT CASE.
WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER?
5:09:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WELL, WE HAVE SPENT THE GREATER PART OF THE
DAY TALKING ABOUT 84 CASES, THAT IN MY OPINION COULD HAVE
BEEN HEARD BY 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO IF YOU WISH TO LOOK AT THE AUDIENCE RIGHT THERE AND ASK
THEM, CAN WE MOVE THE CASE THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED OR YOU
FEEL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, PLEASE BY ALL MEANS BE DO AND
MAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION.
MR. SHELBY?
5:10:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT WILL BE ONE SHORT FOR THE PUBLIC.
5:10:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I JUST ASK THE AUDIENCE HOW MANY OF YOU
ARE HERE FOR NUMBER 89?
5:10:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE A REQUEST FROM ANYONE THAT WANTS
TO HAVE THEIR CASE HEARD, TOO?
SO MAKE A MOTION.
PLEASE MAKE A MOTION.

5:10:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE NUMBER 89 TO THE NEXT
ITEM.
5:10:41PM >> IF I COULD.
I'M NUMBER 86, WHICH IS A COMPLEMENTARY ITEM TO A PREVIOUS
ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
AND I HAD A 5:00 APPOINTMENT WITH MY CHILDREN, AND I AM
MISSING THEIR MEGA NIGHT.
5:10:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE A SECOND TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
MOTION?
MOTION MADE BY CARLSON, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
LET'S CALL FOR A VOTE.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
THANK YOU.
I HAVE GILL YOU YOUR FIVE MINUTES.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
5:11:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE I FEEL WE JUST GO,
AND MR. CARLSON HAS TO LEAVE, LEAVE AND COME BACK.
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO.
5:11:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:11:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:11:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE, YES.
5:11:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO MOVE NUMBER 89 TO BE THE NEXT ITEM.
OH, BECAUSE MY CHOICE IS LEAF AT 5:30 OR ELSE GO GET MY KID
AND COME BACK HERE SO THE SOLUTION WE TALKED ABOUT IS MOVING
NUMBER 89 NEXT.

5:12:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OUT OF ORDER.
5:12:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S PUTTING WORD IN MY MOUTH.
5:12:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHY ARE WE HEARING THAT FIRST?
5:12:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT I DID WAS I GAVE YOU A CHOICE, WHICH
WOULD YOU PREFER.
5:12:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND I AM NOT THE --
5:12:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM WE CAN'T VOTE ON
THE ISSUES.
I WAS TRYING TO BE POLITE AND NOT JUST LEAVE.
5:12:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN LET'S FINISH THE LEAVE.
5:12:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE VOTE IS FOR YOU TO GO AND GET YOUR KIDS
AND COME BACK?
5:12:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE VOTE WAS --
5:12:42PM >> TO MOVE IT UP.
5:12:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:12:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:12:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S PLEASE MOVE FORWARD.
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
5:12:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO WHICH ARE WE GOING TO HEAR, 89?
AGENDA NUMBER 89.
FILE FDN 21-125-C.
IS THIS AN ACTUAL HEARING OR ARE WE JUST HEARING
RECOMMENDATIONS?
5:13:14PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
CITY ATTORNEY ASSISTANT.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

AND IF I COULD ASK FOR THE PowerPoint TO BE BROUGHT UP,
PLEASE.
5:13:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, JUST TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY
GETS SWORN IN.
5:13:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
HAS EVERYBODY BEEN SWORN IN? CAN YOU PLEASE STAND TO BE
SWORN IN?
IF YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE ANY TESTIMONY TODAY, WOULD YOU
PLEASE BE SWORN IN?
5:13:42PM >>THE CLERK:

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
5:13:45PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THE PowerPoint SHOULD BE UP NOW.
5:14:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:14:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I AM JUST WAITING ON MY PowerPoint
TO POP UP ON THE SCREEN.
THERE IT IS.
SO COUNCIL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON CONSIDERATION OF A
RECOMMENDED ORDER ON PETITION FOR REVIEW OF FORMAL DECISION
NUMBER 21-125.
REVIEW HEARINGS OR FORMAL DECISIONS ARE GOVERNED BY SECTION
27-616-J-1 OF YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IN THIS CASE, THE AUTHORIZED AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS
MR. JASON McCARDY, THE AGGRIEVED PARTY, THE PETITIONER WHO

FILED THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW IN THIS CASE IS JOSEPH
CALDWELL, WHO AT ONE TIME WAS REPRESENTED BY JUSTIN BEES,
AND THE HEARING OFFICER RECOMMENDATION AFTER THE CONDUCT OF
THE HEARING WAS AT CITY COUNCIL DENYING MR. CALDWELL'S
REQUEST TO REVERSE THE AUGUST 21st, 2021 FORMAL
DECISION.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES WERE TWO PROPERTIES LOCATED IN
YBOR CITY AT 1916 AND 1918 EAST 5th AVENUE.
PRIOR TO 2000, THESE PROPERTIES WERE ZONED YC-6.
AND IN 2000 THE CITY INITIATED AN AREA WIDE REZONING BUT
PROPERTY OWNERS COULD AT A TIME OPT OUT OF THAT AREA WIDE
REZONING BY SUBMITTING A LETTER TO THE CITY REQUESTING THAT
THEY BE EXCLUDED FROM THE REZONING.
THE CITY WAS PROVIDED A LETTER THAT WAS DATED MARCH 8th
OF 2000 FOR BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES, ASKING TO BE EXCLUDED
FROM THIS AREA WADE REZONING, AND FOR THE PROPERTIES TO
RETAIN THEIR YC-6 ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
FOR REASONS THAT WERE NOT CLEAR OF AT THIS POINT, THE
PROPERTIES WERE INADVERTENTLY REZONED FROM YC-6 TO YC-7.
SO THE AUTHORIZED AGENT MR. ACCARDI LAST YEAR FILED A FORMAL
DETERMINATION FOR THESE TWO PROPERTIES BECAUSE HIS DESIRE
WAS TO USE THESE TWO PROPERTIES AS PARKING LOTS, AND SO THE
ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE YC-6
CLASSIFICATION THAT THE PROPERTIES WERE ORIGINALLY ALLOWS
PARKING AS A PRINCIPAL USE.

THE YC-7 CLASSIFICATION DOES NOT ALLOW PARKING AS A
PRINCIPAL USE.
SO THIS INADVERTENT REZONING RESULTED IN MR. ACCARDI NOT
BEING ABLE TO USE THE TWO LOTS AS A PARKING LOT.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ISSUED A DECISION LETTER ON AUGUST
30th OF 2021, DETERMINING THAT THE PROPERTIES WERE IN
FACT INADVERTENTLY REZONED, OR RECLASSIFIED TO YC-7, AND
BASED ON THE LETTER THAT THE CITY RECEIVED FROM 2000
REQUESTING EXCLUSION OF THESE PROPERTIES, THE PROPERTIES
SHOULD HAVE RETAINED THEIR YC-6 CLASSIFICATION.
SO MR. CALDWELL, IN RESPONSE TO THE FORMAL DECISION LETTER
FILED A PETITION FOR REVIEW.
UNDER THE CODE, BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF DECISION IT IS, IT
UNDERGOES A REVIEW HEARING BEFORE A HEARING OFFICER, AND
THAT HEARING OFFICER IS THE ONE WHO CONDUCTS A DE NOVO
HEARING WHERE HE DOES FACT FINDING AND EVALUATES THE
EVIDENCE AND THE TESTIMONY, AND THEN ISSUES A RECOMMENDED
ORDER.
AND THAT IS THE ORDER THAT'S BEFORE COUNCIL FOR
CONSIDERATION TODAY.
SO BASED UPON THE FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND
THE EVIDENCE THAT THE HEARING OFFICER HEARD AND TESTIMONY
THAT HE RECEIVED DURING THE HEARING, THE HEARING OFFICER
RECOMMENDED UP HOLDING THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION
THAT DETERMINED THAT THE PROPERTY SHOULD HAVE RETAINED THEIR

YC-6 CLASSIFICATION THAT AGAIN ALLOWS PARKING AS A PRINCIPAL
USE OF THESE TWO LOTS.
THE HEARING OFFICER ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY TAKE
CORRECTIVE ACTION TO RECLASSIFY BOTH OF THESE LOTS TO THE
YC-6 CLASSIFICATION.
SO, AGAIN, COUNCIL, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS
FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE HEARING
OFFICER, AND AGAIN THAT WAS TO DENY THE PETITION FOR REVIEW,
AND AFFIRM THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S FORMAL DECISION.
SO FOLLOWING THIS PUBLIC HEARING, COUNCIL HAS A NUMBER OF
POSSIBLE ACTIONS THAT IT CAN TAKE, EITHER ADOPT THE
RECOMMENDED ORDER AS THE FINAL ORDER, IT COULD MODIFY THE
RECOMMENDED ORDER, IT COULD REJECT THE RECOMMENDED ORDER, OR
IT COULD REMAND THE MATTER BACK TO THE HEARING OFFICER FOR
FURTHER FACT FINDING IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THAT IS
NECESSARY.
SO IN A MOMENT I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT EXCEPTIONS, AND ORAL
ARGUMENT THAT ARE ALSO PROVIDED FOR UNDER THE CODE, BUT WE
HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EXCEPTIONS, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED A
NUMBER OF REQUESTS FOR ORAL ARGUMENTS.
SO UNDER THE CODE, ALL PARTIES ARE ENTITLED TO OR HAVE TEN
WORKING DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF COUNCIL HEARING TO FILE
EXCEPTIONS TO THE RECOMMENDED ORDER WITH THE CITY CLERK.
SO THOSE EXCEPTIONS HAVE TO CONSIST OF OBJECTIONS TO THE
FINDINGS OF FACT, OR CONCLUSIONS OF LAW THAT ARE CONTAINED

IN THE HEARING OFFICER'S RECOMMENDED ORDER.
THE EXCEPTIONS HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT PORTION OF THE
RECOMMENDED ORDER THEY ARE DISPUTING AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO
PROVIDE A BASIS FOR THE EXCEPTION.
ONCE THE CLERK RECEIVES ALL THOSE EXCEPTIONS, FORWARD THE
HEARING OFFICER'S RECOMMENDED ORDER AND EXCEPTIONS TO CITY
COUNCIL ALONG WITH ALL OF THE EVIDENCE, THE DOCUMENTARY
EVIDENCE THAT WAS RECEIVED DURING THE HEARING, AND FOR THIS
PARTICULAR HEARING, THE CLERK DID FORWARD THOSE TO CITY
COUNCIL VIA E-MAIL ON OCTOBER 12th OF 2022.
SO, AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL CAN BE ALSO ALLOW ORAL ARGUMENT UPON
THE REQUEST, UPON ITS OWN MOTION, OR UPON A REQUEST BEING
FAILED BY A PARTY.
SO IF A PARTY IS GOING TO REQUEST ORAL ARGUMENT THE PARTY
MUST DO SO BY FILING -- THE QUALIFY FOR ORAL ARGUMENT
CONCURRENT WITH EXCEPTIONS TO THE RECOMMENDED ORDER, AND
CITY COUNCIL UNDER THE CODE MAY ONLY ALLOW FOR ORAL ARGUMENT
IF THEY FIND THAT THE HEARING OFFICER DID NOT ADDRESS A
MATTER THAT WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD AT THE HEARING
OFFICER HEARING, OR THE RECOMMENDED ORDER CONTAINS AN
AMBIGUITY.
CITY COUNCIL MAY ALSO LIMIT THE SCOPE OF ORAL ARGUMENT AND
IT IS YOUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY'S DUTY UNDER THE CODE TO
REVIEW THE REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT AND THE EXCEPTIONS AND
MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER THEY MEET THE CRITERIA

UNDER THE CODE.
SO IF COUNCIL ALLOWS ORAL ARGUMENT, I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE
THAT UNDER THE CODE, THE CONTENT OF TESTIMONY HAS TO BE THE
SAME AS THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS OFFERED AT THE HEARING
OFFICER HEARING.
STAFF AND EACH PARTY ARE ALLOWED UP TO TEN MINUTES TO SPEAK
UNDER ORAL ARGUMENT.
NONPARTY PARTICIPANTS HAVE BEEN THREE MINUTES TO BE SPEAK.
AND NO PERSON MAY SUBMIT ANY NEW EVIDENCE TO CITY COUNCIL.
AGAIN, WE DID RECEIVE A NUMBER OF EXCEPTIONS AND REQUESTS
FOR ORAL ARGUMENT.
NO MOMENT I WILL HAVE MR. SHELBY PROVIDE YOUR
RECOMMENDATION -- OR HIS RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER THOSE
MEET THE CRITERIA UNDER THE CODE.
BUT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE VARIOUS EXCEPTIONS
THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE MAY BE
ADDITIONAL FACT FINDINGS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED, AND WARRANTED
IN THIS CASE.
AND SO CERTAINLY, COUNCIL, IT WILL BE YOUR PLEASURE AS TO
WHETHER OR NOT YOU OPEN IT FOR ORAL ARGUMENT, BUT AT THE
CONCLUSION OF THE HEARING WE WILL BE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU
REMAND BACK TO THE HEARING OFFICER FOR FURTHER FACT FINDING.
5:22:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TO GO --
5:22:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I ADDRESS SOMETHING? STATUTORILY IS
THAT CALLED FOR IN THE STATUTE -- IN THE CODE, TO REMAND

WITHOUT SPECIFIC DISCUSSION?
BECAUSE YOU AND I HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION AS TO A
RECOMMENDATION.
5:22:20PM >> IT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE TO REMAND IF THEY FIND THERE
IS FURTHER FACT FINDING THAT IS REQUIRED.
5:22:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THEY HAVE TO STATE SPECIFICALLY AND
FACT TO BE BROUGHT TO THE HEARING OFFICER; R, IS THAT
CORRECT?
5:22:34PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WE WOULD CERTAINLY VASE THEM TO THAT
FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
5:22:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S THE QUESTION, BUT WE'LL DISCUSS
THAT.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
5:22:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TO GO FIRST TO COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, THEN CARLSON AND GUDES.
I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
YOU GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT REHEARING
TESTIMONY, BUT IT HAS TO BE THE SAME TESTIMONY THAT YOU HAVE
GIVEN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
5:22:59PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.
5:23:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF WE DO NOT HAVE MINUTES OR RECORDS OF
WHAT WAS SAID, TO WHAT CONTEXT IS IT THAT IT HAS TO BE THE
SAME TESTIMONY?
5:23:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I, SIR?

5:23:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
5:23:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL, ON THE SUGGESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE,
WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION, I EMAILED YOU
THE LINK THIS PAST WEEK TO THE HEARING ON YOUTUBE, WHICH RAN
1 HOUR 15 MINUTES AND YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR --
5:23:31PM >> I WATCHED IT.
PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.
EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THE PHYSICAL RECORD, WITHOUT THE
RECORD OF IT, HOW DO WE KNOW WHETHER IT WAS THE SAME OR NOT?
5:23:52PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WE DO HAVE A RECORD OF STATEMENTS THAT
WERE MADE DURING THE HEARING SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONFIRM
WITH EACH SPEAKER WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE CONFINING THEIR
COMMENTS TO THOSE THAT WERE MADE FROM THE HEARING OFFICER.
5:24:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:24:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO, YES, LIKE CHAIRMAN CITRO, I ALSO WATCHED
THE HOUR 15 MINUTE VIDEO, AND I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
BEFORE YOU EVEN GET STARTED.
ONCE A FORMAL DECISION IS ISSUED, HOW LONG DOES SOMEONE HAVE
TO REBUT THAT?
5:24:36PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
YOU HAVE TEN WORKING DAYS, I
BELIEVE.
14 WORKING DAYS.

AND WORKING DAYS, NOT CALENDAR DAYS.
SO ALMOST THREE WEEKS.
5:24:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THEN THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
5:24:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:24:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ALSO WATCHED THE VIDEO AND READ THE
DOCUMENTS.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CASE CENTERED AROUND THE DOCUMENT
THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM 2000.
AND YOU PRESENTED IT AS FACT.
HALF OR SO OF THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE CUSTODY OF THE
DOCUMENT.
AND THE PETITIONER TESTIFIED THAT THEY HAD SUBMITTED IT, AND
THAT THEY FOUND IT IN A BOX, BUT THE CITY DID NOT PRESENT
ANY TESTIMONY AS TO HAVING FOUND IT IN THEIR FAILS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY NEW TESTIMONY, EVIDENCE?
HAS THE CITY DONE ANY KIND OF FORENSIC LOOK TO BE SEE -- I
DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S KEPT IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR REAL
ESTATE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IS THERE ANY CITY TESTIMONY
THAT THAT DOCUMENT EXISTED?
AND IF NOT WHAT'S THE POLICY OF THE CITY REGARDING CLAIMS BY
ANY KIND OF PETITIONER IF A DOCUMENT -- IF THERE'S NO RECORD
OF THE DOCUMENT BY THE CITY?
5:25:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIR.
5:26:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.

5:26:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS BASED ON YOUR
REVIEW OF THE HEARING.
I GUESS MY QUESTION, I GUESS IT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR
LEGAL.
YOU ARE STATING RATHER THAN HAVING YOU RESPOND TO THESE, IS
IT NOT BEST TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HAVE THE
EXCEPTIONS HEARD?
5:26:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM ASKING FOR A QUESTION -- A QUESTION
FROM THE CITY WHICH WAS NOT DISCUSSED BASED ON WHAT I SAW IN
THE VIDEO.
HAS THE CITY DONE ANY FORENSIC ANALYSIS OF WHETHER THAT
DOCUMENT EXISTED?
5:26:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CARLSON, I THINK THAT'S OUTSIDE THE
SCOPE OF THIS HEARING RIGHT NOW AT THIS TIME BY PRESENTATION
BY MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
5:26:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY QUESTION, WE COULD SEND IT BACK --
5:26:48PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WE COULD REMAND IT.
5:26:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND THE -- IT SEEMS LIKE BETWEEN THAT HEARING AND THIS,
SOMEBODY IN THE CITY WOULD HAVE DONE A FORENSIC ANALYSIS TO
SEE IF THE DOCUMENT EVER EXISTED.
5:27:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WOULD BE NEW EVIDENCE IF THAT'S THE
CASE AND IT'S NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT UP THAT THE
POINT IN TIME.
5:27:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMAND IT.

5:27:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAVE YOU HEARD THE ENTIRE CASE FOR A
REMAND?
YOU HAVE TO DO IT WITH SPECIFICITY.
5:27:14PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THERE MAY BE OTHER MATTERS RELATED
TO THIS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REMAND FOR.
SO IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO HEAR FROM -- IF IT'S COUNCIL'S
PLEASURE.
I MEAN, MR. SHELBY COULD PROVIDE YOU WITH HIS RECOMMENDATION
ON WHETHER OR NOT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AND REQUESTS FOR ORAL
ARGUMENT SATISFY THE CODE, AND THEN COUNCIL COULD DETERMINE
WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ORAL ARGUMENT, AND THEN WE
COULD TAKE ACTION AFTER THAT.
I AM CERTAINLY HAPPY TO --
5:27:45PM >> COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:27:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO BE SIMPLISTIC.
CITY ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY SAID THEY RECOMMEND THE REMAND
BECAUSE THEY FOUND SOME AMBIGUITIES.
WE ARE WASTING A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIME ON ORAL ARGUMENT WHEN
YOU ALREADY STATED THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON
THAN, AND MORE FACT FINDING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IT'S CLEAR.
I HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
WE TALKED ABOUT Y 6, Y 7.
TO ME, YC-7 SUPERSEDES YC-6.
THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS TO ASK.

AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, HOW TO
CRAFT LANGUAGE TO GO TO THEM. IN MY OPINION I AM GOING TO
SUPPORT IT BE REMANDED BACK TO THE MAGISTRATE TO ASK THOSE
KIND OF QUESTIONS ABOUT Y 6, Y 7, AND THOSE DOCUMENTS, AND
THE FACT FINDER ABOUT THE DOCUMENT.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE BASIS OF THIS WHOLE CASE RIGHT NOW, THE
IS THE DOCUMENTS.
ASK THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
5:29:02PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:29:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I FORGOT MY -- MY LINE IS SIMILAR, MY LINE
OF QUESTIONING IS SIMILAR TO COUNCIL CARLSON'S IN THAT THIS
SAYS HERE THAT NO PERSON MAY SUBMIT NEW EVIDENCE.
I HAVE WATCHED THE VIDEO.
SO IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT YOU CAN'T SUBMIT ANY NEW
EVIDENCE TONIGHT, THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY FOR THAT LETTER IS
CRITICAL.
I NEED TO KNOW IF THE CITY HAS IT.
AND IF NOT, I MEAN, YOU CAN GO THROUGH IT ALL BUT IT'S NOT
GOING TO CHANGE THE FACTS.
IF YOU CAN'T GIVE ME NEW EVIDENCE WE ARE JUST WASTING TIME.
5:29:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING --
5:29:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE ARE SAYING, WHAT MR. CARLSON ASKED
FOR.
5:29:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT ALL?
5:30:01PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD ASK IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO REMAND IT
BACK WITH SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD -- THAT YOU
ARE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FACT FINDING ON SO THAT WE CAN
DIRECT THE HEARING OFFICER AND DIRECT STAFF IN TERMS OF
BRINGING THIS BACK TO THE HEARING MASTER FOR FURTHER FACT
FINDING.
5:30:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:30:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HAS ANYONE TALKED TO GLORIA MOREDA?
ANYONE?
5:30:37PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SIR, AGAIN --
5:30:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DO WE HAVE CASE OF THE YEAR 2000?
5:30:45PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE -- I UNDERSTAND, AND I AM WRITING DOWN YOUR
QUESTIONS.
THIS IS HELPFUL.
BUT AGAIN, THE CODE PROHIBITS ANY PERSON INCLUDING ME FROM
INTRODUCING ANY NEW EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD AT THIS
HEARING.
5:31:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS HERE IN 2000.
I REMEMBER Y 6 AND Y 7 AND I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE
CONTENTS.
I WASN'T THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
5:31:17PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I UNDERSTAND BUT THOSE WERE NOT
ISSUES RAISED AT THE HEARING OFFICER --
5:31:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU IT.

5:31:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
IF YOU WANT US TO EXPLORE, WE
CERTAINLY CAN.
5:31:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL COMPLAINS WHEN WE
SPEND A LOT OF TIME ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN WE CAN GET TO THE
MEAT OF THE MATTER.
THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE FILING AND FOLLOW THE
PROCEDURE AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR EXCEPTIONS
HEARD.
MR. MICHELINI IS ALSO REQUESTED ORAL ARGUMENT WHICH.
THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE ANSWERED WITH
SPECIFICITY.
IF YOU IN FACT FIND, AFTER MY RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER IT
IS, THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ORAL ARGUMENT, AND HEAR WHAT THE
EXCEPTIONS ARE, AND RATHER THAN RELY ON THE CITY ATTORNEY
AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON TESTIMONY THAT YOU HAVE
NOT YET HEARD, AND CANNOT HEAR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T INTRODUCE
ANY NEW FINDINGS OF FACT, YOU CAN ONLY GO WHAT THE FINDINGS
OF FACT ARE IN THE RECORD, WHICH BY THE WAY FOR THE RECORD I
WANT TO STATE YOU EACH HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY OF THIS ORDER
NOW WE CAN THE FINDINGS OF FACT, AND YOU ALSO HAVE WHAT WAS
PROVIDED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE,
THE RELEVANT SECTIONS OF 27-61, THAT STATES SPECIFICALLY, IN
THE FINAL ORDER, WHAT YOU MUST DO, AND IT HAS TO BE VERY,
VERY SPECIFIC.
AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE VERY SPECIFIC FINDINGS.

SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO PERHAPS AT PREVIOUS TIMES HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF
DOING THAT, THEY ARE HERE NOW AT 5:30 ON A THURSDAY
AFTERNOON, AFTER A LONG DAY, AND THERE'S QUESTIONS NOW AS TO
WHETHER THEY WANT TO BE HEARD OR NOT.
MY SUGGESTION IS, YOU CAN HAVE ALL YOUR QUESTIONS FORMULATED
AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, AND YOU WILL HAVE A RECORD TO BE
ABLE TO BRING BACK TO THE HEARING OFFICER TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS.
THAT'S MY POSITION, AND I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A
RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WISH TO HEAR IT.
THANK YOU.
5:33:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO NEW EVIDENCE, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
ALREADY SAID THERE'S NO NEW EVIDENCE, WE ALL WATCHED THE
VIDEO, THERE SEEMS TO BE CONSENSUS THAT THE CENTRAL
DOCUMENT, THAT ONE DOCUMENT, THE CUSTODY OF THAT DOCUMENT,
AND WHETHER IT EVER EXISTED ON THE CITY SIDE IS THE CENTRAL
QUESTION TO IT, SO I THINK WE SHOULD REMAND IT.
WHY GO THROUGH -- AND SAY THE SAME THING THEY SAID AT THE
OTHER HEARING WHEN WE KNOW THAT DOCUMENT IS CENTRAL TO IT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE HEARING MASTER DIDN'T ASK MORE
QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
5:33:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINDINGS OF FACT,
IT'S NOT IN THE FINDINGS OF FACT.
SO YES, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND, BECAUSE THE WHOLE -- THE

ENTIRE THING, THE LETTER WASN'T EVEN MENTIONED IN THE
FINDINGS OF FACT.
SO BY REMANDING THIS, THE LETTER MENTIONING CONCLUSIONS OF
NOT AND NOT FINDINGS OF FACT.
SO THIS IS FRUSTRATING.
WE CAN'T INTRODUCE NEW EVIDENCE.
AND, IF YOU WANT TO ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I WOULD
SPECIFICALLY ASK THEY MENTION THE LETTER IN THE FINDINGS OF
FACT.
5:34:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:34:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST REMAND IT BACK AND ASK THAT THEY
REVIEW THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND GET EVIDENCE AS TO WHETHER
IT EXISTED IN THE CITY, AND I WOULD SUGGEST, IN ADDITION TO
THAT, EVIDENCE OF THE OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT
TESTIFIED WERE MADE, AND THE RESPONSE THAT WAS GIVEN BY THE
CITY CONFIRMING THAT THOSE WERE MADE AND THAT CHANGES WERE
MADE, WHICH THEY TESTIFIED TO, AND THAT THE CITY ALSO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY AS TO WHAT HAPPENS IN A CASE, IF THE CITY
CANNOT PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THE DOCUMENT EXISTED ON THE
CITY SIDE, WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL OF THE CITY REGARDING THAT?
AN EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY SAID, I GOT MARRIED TEN YEARS AGO,
AND YOU LOOK AT THE CLERK OF COURTS AND IT DOESN'T SAY THAT,
BUT YOU SAY, I SENT THEM A LETTER, DOES THAT COUNT? I DON'T
KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

THAT'S THE QUESTION.
SO THERE ARE THREE QUESTIONS.
5:35:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.
NOT ONLY DO I WANT THE LETTER, BUT I WANT THE SUBSEQUENT
PROPERTIES THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT THE
OTHER LETTERS THAT ALSO ASKED FOR THIS SAME REQUEST.
BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT DOCUMENTATION, BUT THERE ARE
QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THAT.
SO I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY DO WE WANT
THE COPIES OF THE LETTERS AND WHEN THEY WERE RECEIVED, BUT
WHAT TYPE OF RESPONSE DID THE CITY GIVE TO THOSE -- I'M
SORRY.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
AT WHAT POINT IN TIME IN THE YEAR 2000 WHEN THIS WAS
INITIALLY CONSIDERED OR WHETHER THIS WAS CONSIDERED IN THE
APPLICATION PROCESS?
5:36:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN WAS INITIALLY REQUESTED IN 2000,
SEVERAL LETTERS WERE SENT.
WE WERE GIVEN TESTIMONY THAT SEVERAL LETTERS WERE SENT.
BUT I BELIEVE MAYBE SOME OF THOSE, I THINK SOME OF THOSE
CAME FROM THE CITY AND SOME OF THEM DIDN'T.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET ALL OF THOSE LETTERS THAT WENT TO
DIFFERENT FOLLOW OWES.
ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR?
5:37:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT, AS I REMEMBER, TESTIFIED IN THE HEARING THAT
HE SENT SIMILAR LETTERS ON OTHER PROPERTIES, AND THE
EXISTING ZONING WAS RETAINED.
SO THE CITY MUST HAVE SENT SOME KIND OF RESPONSE TO THAT.
SO VERIFICATION THAT THOSE OTHER LETTERS EXIST IN THE FILES,
AND THEN -- AND THIS IS IN 2000, NOT LATER ON --
VERIFICATION OF THOSE DOCUMENT EXIST IN THE FILE AND THAT
THE ZONING WASN'T CHANGED.
THAT'S NOT FROM THE PETITIONER.
THEY ALREADY TESTIFIED TO THAT.
THIS IS FROM THE CITY.
AND THEN THE SAME THING ABOUT THIS LETTER.
DID THIS LETTER EXIST?
WAS THERE -- WHATEVER THE CORRESPONDENCE BACK TO THE
PETITIONER WAS ON THE OTHER CASES THAT THEY REPLIED
SIMULTANEOUSLY WAS THE RESPONSE BACK TO THE PETITIONER ON
THIS ONE?
BECAUSE IF THERE WAS A RESPONSE BUT THE LETTER DOESN'T EXIST
IN THE FILE, THAT'S WRITTEN EVIDENCE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT SOUNDED LIKE FROM THE HEARING, THE HEARING
OFFICER ACCEPTED THE LETTER AS FACT, EVEN THOUGH IT ONLY
EXISTS FROM THE PETITIONER.
AND SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT EVIDENCE AROUND, OR THE HEARING
MASTER LOOK AT EVIDENCE AROUND THAT.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING THAT I SUGGESTED WAS, WHAT IS THE

POLICY OF THE CITY IF SOMEONE CLAIMS THAT A DOCUMENT EXISTS
AND TAMPA CITY CAN'T FIND IT?
DOES THE CITY TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT?
DO THEY -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESPONSE IS.
BUT I USE THE EXAMPLE IF SOMEBODY GOT MARRIED, IF SOMEBODY
SAYS THEY GOT MARRIED AND IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE CLERK'S
FILING, BUT SOMEBODY SAYS THEY HAVE A LETTER, DOES THAT
HELP?
DOES THE CLERK PUT IT IN THE FILE OR NOT?
I DON'T KNOW.
5:38:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:39:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT POINT UP.
I CAN'T MAKE ANY NAMES BUT A SAME TYPE OF SITUATION, WE
CAN'T FIND THINGS, AND SO I SEE THE POINT YOU ARE MAKING.
BUT I GUESS WITH ME IS, DOES 7 SUPERSEDE 6?
5:39:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WELL, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING
CLASSIFICATIONS.
AN AREA WIDE REZONING CHANGED SOME PROPERTIES FROM YC-6 TO
YC-7.
SO IF THE PROPERTY RETAINED ITS ORIGINAL YC-6 ZONING, THEN
THEY CAN BE USED TODAY BY RIGHT AS A PARKING LOT.
HAVING BEEN REZONED TO YC-7, WHICH DID NOT PERMIT PARKS AS A
PRINCIPAL USE, IT CANNOT BE USED -- IT CANNOT BE USED AS
PARKING.
SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

THEY WOULD ACTUALLY -- AREA WIDE REZONING, AND ADOPTED AN
ORDINANCE, REZONING.
OKAY.
5:40:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
5:40:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK, MR. CHAIR, I HEARD THE HEARING
OFFICER SAY IN THE TESTIMONY THAT, IN SOME OF THE
QUESTIONING, THAT HE COULD JUST BASED ON VERBAL TESTIMONY,
MAKE A JUDGMENT ABOUT WHETHER A DOCUMENT EXISTS OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE THAT YOU CAN DO THAT BUT OUR
SPECIFIC QUESTION IS WE WANT TO SEE THE WRITTEN EVIDENCE, WE
WANT TO BE SEE THE EVIDENCE AS EXISTED AT THE CITY, NOT THAT
HE MADE A JUDGMENT AS TO SOMEBODY'S VERBAL TESTIMONY.
UNDERSTOOD.
THANK YOU.
5:41:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:41:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOTION ALREADY MADE.
5:41:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE THAT MOTION STILL ON THE FLOOR.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:41:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:41:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:41:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:41:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:41:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:41:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

5:41:30PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT.
5:41:52PM >> DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT NEGOTIATION AND WE ARE HERE TO
SPEAK TO THE DECISION OF THE MAGISTRATE AND TO HEAR WHETHER
OR NOT WE WERE GOING TO HEAR --
5:42:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING POINT.
ARE YOU THE PETITIONER?
5:42:03PM >> NO, SIR.
THE PETITIONER IS RIGHT HERE.
5:42:05PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
5:42:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
5:42:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
STUDY WHETHER OR NOT --
5:42:21PM >> BASED ON WHAT RECORD?
5:42:23PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
IT'S COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO OPEN FOR ORAL ARGUMENT AT THIS
HEARING OR NOT.
IT APPEARS THAT COUNCIL -- I ADVISE YOU THAT IN MY INITIAL
PRESENTATION, IF COUNCIL DECIDED WITHOUT ORAL ARGUMENT TO
REMAND THE HEARING BACK TO THE HEARING OFFICER SOME HE
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT.
THERE WILL BE AFTER ADDITIONAL FACT FINDING BY THE HEARING
OFFICER THERE WILL BE A NEW RECOMMENDED ORDER.
THERE WILL BE A NEW CONSIDERATION FOR THE RECOMMENDED ORDER
AND ALL THE SAME THINGS, ABILITY TO FILE FOR EXCEPTIONS FROM

THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AND REQUEST ORAL ARGUMENT AT THAT TIME
WILL BE AVAILABLE AS THEY WERE TODAY.
5:43:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:43:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS
REPRESENTING CASE TO THIS COUNCIL GAVE THE OPTION OF NOT
OPENING ORAL ARGUMENT ORB WE DECIDED NOT TO OPEN UP AND
REMAND?
5:43:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
COUNCIL MAY OPEN FOR ORAL ARGUMENT
IF IT WISHES.
5:43:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
5:43:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE HEARD?
5:43:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
5:43:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
IT SAYS IN HERE, READING FROM 27-61-J-E-2, IT SAYS, THAT THE
CITY COUNCIL MAY ONLY OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION UPON A REQUEST
FOR ORAL ARGUMENT FILED BY A PARTY OR UPON ITS OWN MOTION.
NOW THERE, WAS NO MOTION TO OPEN -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON
THAT.
THERE WAS NO MOTION TO OPEN ORAL ARGUMENT.
THEREFORE IT WHATS NOT NECESSARY THEN TO REVIEW THE REQUEST
FOR ORAL ARGUMENT.
IT SAYS THE REQUEST SHALL BE BASED UPON THE CRITERIA
DESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION 1 ABOVE, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY
SHALL REVIEW THE REQUEST ARE FOR ORAL ARGUMENT AND MAKE A
RECOMMENDATION WHETHER IT MEETS THE CRITERIA.

THAT WAS DONE BUT I DID NOT MAKE MY REQUEST -- I MEAN, MY
RECOMMENDATION.
5:44:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
FOR THE REST OF THE CASES THAT ARE BEING HEARD, THIS
EVENING, WE HAVE FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS LEFT.
HERE THIS EVENING.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD NEED FOUR VOTES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT, PLEASE ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE NOW.
WE WILL NOW HEAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 85, FILE VAC 22-19.
5:45:33PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PRESENTING FILE VAC 22-19, THE APPLICANT'S NAME IS JAMES AND
CHRISTINA HENESSEY, 81212 INDIANA AVENUE.
5:45:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SAMMONS, I'M SORRY.
TO THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT JUST WALKED IN THE DOOR, THE
REPRESENTATIVE WHO JUST WALKED INTO THIS DOOR, YOU DID HEAR
MY STATEMENT, THAT WE ONLY HAVE FIVE.
THERE HAS TO BE FOUR VOTES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IF ANYBODY WISHES FOR A CONTINUANCE, ASK IT NOW.
THANK YOU.
MR. SAMMONS, PLEASE PROCEED.
5:46:34PM >>SAM THOMAS:
NORTH OF OHIO AVENUE, SOUTH OF INDIANA
AVENUE, EAST OF POPLAR AVENUE, WEST OF MYRTLE AVENUE.
APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA SEPTEMBER 28,
2022, APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE
ALLEY.

THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS TO REPAIR,
CLEAN, OUTGROWTH AND THE ALLEY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION
PLAT, EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY, APPROXIMATELY 6,000 SQUARE
FEET.
HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE ALLEY.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IN RED AND THE REQUEST TO VACATE IN
YELLOW.
CITY OF TAMPA ATLAS MAP SHOWING, AGAIN SHOWN IN RED HERE,
APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IN GRAY, BLOCK 19, AND SHOWING NO
PREVIOUS VACATINGS.
NORTH RIVERSIDE SUBDIVISION PLAT CREATED THE ALLEY, IN RED.
OF THE APPLICANT APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH ON
INDIANA AVENUE.
THE ALLEY LOOKING EAST FROM POPLAR AVENUE.
AND THE ALLEY LOOKING WEST FROM MYRTLE AVENUE.
STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE VACATING REQUEST.
EASEMENT RESERVATION IS NEEDED, MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27
REGARDING TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY
IMPROVEMENTS PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN THE VACATED AREA.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:48:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
HUSAIN.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:48:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE]

PUT THE PICTURE UP OF THE ALLEY AGAIN.
5:49:07PM >> THE ALLEY FROM MYRTLE AVENUE.
5:49:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER.
5:49:22PM >> JAMES ACCARDI, 812 WEST -- HENESSEY.
I THINK WE ARE RUNNING INTO A PRETTY SIMILAR SITUATION AS
THE CASE 84.
I HAVE ON INSTRUCTIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF MY PROPERTY.
AND THE INTENT WAS TO GET THE VACATED PROPERTY BEHIND.
IT SEEMS THAT MOST NEIGHBORS IN THAT TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT
OF ME HAVE DONE THAT IN SOME WAY SHAPE AND FORM BUT I THINK
WE ARE RUNNING INTO A SIMILAR CONTINUANCE SITUATION WHERE WE
WOULD HAVE ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, PROBABLY ON THE SAME CASE
DATE, THAT 11-17.
5:50:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
5:50:10PM >> SO THE INTENT IS TO GET THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE ALLEYWAY
THAT'S OBSTRUCTED ON BOTH SIDE.
THAT IS NOT AN ALLEYWAY ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GO EAST
AND WEST.
BUT WE DO RUN INTO A SIMILAR SITUATION.
IT WOULD BE 12 FEET, OBSTRUCTIONS ON ALL SIDES, WHOSE
PROPERTY IS IT, UP TO ME AND THE PERSON BEHIND US?
5:50:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE VACATED THE ALLEY WE WOULD SIMPLY GET
THE 6 FEET BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY.
5:50:43PM >> OKAY.

JUST THE 6 FEET BEHIND 812.
GREAT.
THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO THE STAFF REPORT.
5:50:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM YOUR
NEIGHBORS?
5:50:57PM >> ACTUALLY, THEY WERE ALL POSITIVE.
SO IT WAS BASICALLY TURNED INTO GREEN SPACE SO THERE WERE NO
OBJECTIONS TO CLEANING IT UP.
5:51:06PM >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
5:51:09PM >> MYRTLE IS RIGHT OFF OF COLUMBUS DRIVE SOMEWHERE?
5:51:17PM >> YES.
WOULD RUN YOU ALL THE WAY TO MLK.
5:51:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NORTH AND SOUTH.
5:51:24PM >> CORRECT.
5:51:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES
TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 85?
IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE?
5:51:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
5:51:33PM >> SECOND.
5:51:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:51:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
VAC 22-19.
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERS, AN

ORDINANCE.
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING,
ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF OHIO AVENUE, SOUTH
OF INDIANA AVENUE, EAST OF POPLAR AVENUE AND WEST OF MYRTLE
AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF NORTH RIVERSIDE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS
AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN
PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS
PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING
CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
5:52:25PM >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK. ROLL CALL VOTE.
(ROLL CALL)
5:52:32PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA AND
CARLSON BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER
17th, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
5:52:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 86, FILE VAC 22-24.
5:52:47PM >>ROSS SAMMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
FILE VAC 22-24.
ASHLEY GLEN LAND HOLDINGS LLC.
THE GENERAL LOCATION IS 911 WEST CYPRESS STREET.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEY
NORTH OF CASS STREET, SOUTH OF LASALLE STREET, NORTH OF CASS
STREET, EAST OF DELAWARE AVENUE AND WEST OF NORTH BOULEVARD.
THE APPLICATION WAS FILED ON JULY 14, 2022.
REASONS FOR THE APPLICATION IS THE ADDITIONAL AREA IN THE
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR AREA 22-42.
EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 4,900 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IN RED, AND THE
PORTION OF ARCH STREET HERE IN YELLOW.
AND A PORTION OF NORTH EDISON AVENUE IN YELLOW HERE.
SOUTH OF LEMON STREET. TO THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST CASS.
AGAIN, CITY OF TAMPA SHEET PROPOSED VACATING, IN PINK HERE,
PORTION OF ARCH STREET, IN BETWEEN MUNRO AND NORTH
BOULEVARD.
AND THIS SECTION OF EDISON, SOUTH OF LEMON STREET AND NORTH
OF CASS.
HERE IS A PICTURE OF EDISON AVENUE LOOKING NORTH ON CASS
STREET.
THIS IS THE GENERAL AREA OF THE REQUESTED VACATING.
EDISON AVENUE LOOKING SOUTH FROM LEMON STREET.
AGAIN HERE.
THE GENERAL AREA OF THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST AND THE
APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS HERE.
ARCH STREET LOOKING EAST FROM MUNRO STREET.
A PORTION OF THIS PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS HERE AND

APPLICANT'S PROPERTY FROM MUNRO STREET TO NORTH BOULEVARD.
THIS IS ARCH STREET LOOKING WEST TO NORTH BOULEVARD.
AGAIN A PORTION OF THE AREA, THE PROPOSED VACATING FROM
NORTH BOULEVARD TO MUNRO.
STAFF DOES OBJECT TO THIS VACATING REQUEST. EASEMENT
RESERVATIONS ARE NEEDED OVERALL FOR TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY,
STORMWATER, TECO, PEOPLE'S GAS, SPECTRUM AND FRONTIER.
NATURAL RESOURCES, COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27, TREE
PRESERVATION, SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENT PLACED
ADJACENT TO TREES IN THE VACATED AREA.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:56:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER.
5:56:39PM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
URBAN PLANNING INNOVATIONS, 5312 NORTH
SUWANNEE.
JUST FOR CONTEXT, THE REZONING THAT YOU APPROVED ON THE
SECOND READING EARLIER TODAY, THE OAKHURST DEVELOPMENT, THIS
IS THE PORTION ALONG ARCH, AND THIS IS THE PORTION ALONG
EDISON.
GRAPHICALLY ON THE REZONINGS, ON THE REZONING, THE PLAN
ITSELF THAT YOU JUST APPROVED, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SHOWN AND
THERE WAS A NOTED THAT WE AGREED TO ON THE PLAN THAT
RECOGNIZED THAT WHEN THE VACATING GOES THROUGH, WE ALSO
INCLUDED IN THE ROADWAY AGREEMENT THAT WE AGREED TO

GENERATED WITHIN 120 DAYS.
THAT WAS A CONDITION ON THE REZONING AS WELL.
THE STRIPS OF LAND ARE APPROXIMATELY 4.95 FEET IN WIDTH, AND
WE HAVE AGREED TO RESERVE ALL THE EASEMENT AS WE DID WITH
THE OTHER PORTIONS THAT WERE VACATED TO SQUARE OFF THE
BLOCKS.
FULL EASEMENTS FOR MOBILITY, ROADWAY, TRANSPORTATION,
STORMWATER.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
THIS IS REALLY JUST TO CLEAN UP THE PIECE THAT WAS LEFT OVER
FROM THE REZONING.
5:57:48PM >> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
5:57:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAY I JUST SAY SOMETHING?
IT WILL BE THE SAME THING IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION?
5:58:02PM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
CORRECT.
5:58:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
5:58:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 86?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:58:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE VAC 22-24, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF

TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND
ABANDONING THOSE PORTIONS OF ARCH STREET AND EDISON AVENUE
RIGHTS-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF CASS STREET, SOUTH OF LASALLE
STREET, NORTH OF CASS STREET, WITHIN THE PERHAPS OF MUNRO
AND KNOWLES SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF
SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS,
AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR
ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR
DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICTS,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:59:07PM >> SECOND.
5:59:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:59:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:59:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:59:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:59:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:59:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
5:59:23PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON AND
VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER
17th, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
5:59:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 87.
FILE SUB-22-10-C.
5:59:42PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
FILE SUB 22-10 IS REGARDING THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1280 EAST HARRISON STREET.
THIS IS REGARDING THE PETITION FOR REVIEW THAT WAS FILED BY
THE AUTHORIZED AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THE AUTHORIZED AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY HAS REQUESTED STAFF TO
ALLOW FOR HEIGHT FOR LOTS 5 AND 12 LOCATED WITHIN THE ENCORE
DEVELOPMENT TO BE DEVELOPED PURSUANT TO FA AND CA HEIGHT
LIMITATIONS AND UPDATE THE PROJECT DECISION IN ZONING SITE
PLAN NOTES TO REFLECT THIS ALLOWANCE.
STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST MEATS THE CRITERIA FOR
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AND DENIED THE REQUEST.
WE HAVE PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED THE
RELEVANT CODE SECTIONS WHICH IS 27-138 SUBSECTION 7 AND
27-61, ALONG WITH SAMPLE MOTIONS AND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE
FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONDUCT THIS HEARING.
THE STANDARD REVIEW REGARDING THIS PETITION FOR REVIEW IS
ACCORDING TO FOUND IN SECTION 27-61, SUBSECTION J,
SUBSECTION 3, WHICH STATES THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN CONDUCT A
DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW, WHICH MEANS CITY COUNCIL CAN
ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE, TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, AND MAKE A
DECISION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PETITION DOES MEAT
THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN CODE SECTION
27-130 SUBSECTION 7.

THE STAFF MEMBER PRESENT TO EXPLAIN THE REQUEST FOUND THE
PROPERTY OWNER, LACHONE DOCK, SHE IS PRESENT.
SHE WILL GO OVER THE APPLICATION, AND HER DECISION REGARDING
THIS ITEM.
AFTER CITY COUNCIL HEARS ALL OF THE EVIDENCE REGARDING THIS
ITEM, CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION BY STAFF AND
THEREBY DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN SUB
22-10, OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION BY STAFF
AND THEREBY GRANT THE REQUEST FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN
SUB-22-10.
AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE REGARDING REZ 14-020.
AND WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS. DOCK.
6:02:07PM >>LACHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.
LACHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS
ITEM.
SO AS CAMARIA MENTIONED, THIS IS AN APPEAL HEARING OF A
SUBSTANTIAL REVIEW CHANGE DECISION.
THE APPLICANT IS JAKE CREMER, AND THE REQUEST IS A REVIEW OF
SECTION 27-138.
THIS IS FOR THE ENCORE PROPERTY WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU
SHORTLY.
I HAVE AN AERIAL OF THE PROJECT AREA.
AND THIS IS TO ALLOW THE HEIGHT TO BE DETERMINED PURSUANT TO
FAA AND HCAA LIMITATIONS, AND THAT IS FOR THE TWO LOTS, LOTS

5 AND 12 WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU NOW.
AND ALSO TO UPDATE THE ASSOCIATED VISION GROWTH SITE PLAN
WHICH RUNS ALONG WITH THE CURRENT PD.
SO THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE.
AND THIS IS THE LOTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN RED, ARE A PART
OF THE PROJECT AREA.
THIS IS NUCCIO AVENUE ON THE SOUTH.
CENTRAL ON THE WEST.
THIS IS NEBRASKA AVENUE WHICH BORDERS ON THE EAST.
AND I HAVE IDENTIFIED EACH LOT THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE
PROJECT AREA.
THOSE ARE TWO LOTS WHICH ARE UNDER THIS REQUEST, LOTS 5 AND
LOT 12.
AND THEN ALSO YOU CAN SEE THAT BE THIS IS BOUNDED BY THE
CBD, CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
YOU CAN SEE THE CBD2 AND CBD1 DESIGNATION, BUT AS A MATTER
OF FACT LOT 10 HAS A DUAL ZONING WITH THE SOUTHERN END BEING
LOCATED IN THE CDB 2 SPECIAL DISTRICT.
WHAT I PROVIDED NEXT FOR YOU, COUNCIL, IS A CHART JUST TO
SHOW YOU THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PROJECT.
SO THE REQUESTED HEIGHT JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, IT WOULD
APPLY ONLY TO THOSE TWO LOTS 5 AND 12.
THOSE ARE THE TWO VACANT LOTS WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA.
THE OTHER LOTS BEING DEVELOPED, THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR
DEVELOPMENT.

LOT 8 HAS ITS ENTITLEMENT, IMPLEMENTAL REVIEW.
LOT 10 IS CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS SEEKING PERMITS.
SO IF GRANTED, IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THOSE VACANT LOTS.
AND I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE.
IN THE UPPER LEFT, YOU CAN SEE URBAN FARM, THAT'S LOT 1.
AND THEN IN THE UPPER RIGHT IS LOT 2 AND 3.
IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER WE HAVE LOTS 7 AND 9 RESPECTIVELY.
AND LOT 6 IS THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
AND THEN WE HAVE LOT 4 AND 11.
THAT'S LOT 4 AND THAT'S LOT 11.
SO THE LOTS THAT ARE IN QUESTION ARE BEHIND THESE LOTS.
NEXT FOR YOU I HAVE BLOWN UP THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN, THE
APPROVED PD PLAN.
SO THE ENCORE DEVELOPMENT CONTAINS 28 ACRES.
WHAT I PROVIDED FOR YOU IS THE DETAIL OF THE LOTS THAT ARE
INCLUDED WITHIN THE -- THE LOTS WHICH ARE IDENTIFIED IN
GREEN HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
THE LOTS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW 5 AND 12 ON
NEBRASKA.
THOSE ARE THE VACANT LOTS IN THE LOTS THAT ARE UNDER THIS
REQUEST.
THIS IS THE LOT 150, THE ONE THAT I MENTIONED THAT HAS THE
DUAL ZONING ON IT.
LOT 8 AND 10 ARE ALREADY IN PROBLEM SEES FOR PERMITTING.
HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED APPROVAL.

UNDER CONSIDERATION STAFF REVIEWED THE HISTORY OF THE
APPROVALS WITH THE REZONINGS ON THE ENCORE DEVELOPMENT SITE.
WE LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN NOTE AS IT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED
WITH THE FIRST APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING.
THE NOTE ORIGINALLY MENTIONED A BUILDING HIGHLIGHT FOR LOTS
9 AND 10 WOULD BE GOVERNED BY THE FAA AND THE HCAA, AND THEN
IT ALSO REFERENCES AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT WITHIN THE SITE PLAN
ITSELF EACH LOT LISTS THE HEIGHT.
SO YOU CAN SEE JUST TO GO BACK JUST A SECOND, YOU CAN SEE ON
THE SITE PLAN EACH LOT ON SOME OF THE LOT SIZE, SO THAT WAS
THE 13.
SO IN 2007, THERE WAS A SITE PLAN NOTE THAT MENTIONED THE
MAXIMUM HEIGHT AS GOVERNED BY THE FAA, AND THE HCAA, AND
THEN THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS ALSO SHOWN BY LOT ON THE SITE
PLAN.
THERE WAS JUST IN TWO PLACES ON THE CURRENT APPROVAL AND 14,
AND STAFF FELT THAT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT IS
CLARIFIED, THAT THEY CANNOT DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
JUST TO SUMMARIZE ON THE SITE PLAN, THE REMAINING
UNDEVELOPED LOTS WITHIN THE PROJECT, JUST LOT 5 AND 12 ARE
THE TWO VACANT LOTS, BUT CURRENTLY ON THE PLAN.
THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 80 FEET AND THEN 100 FEET FOR
LOT 12.
SO WHEN THE REQUEST WAS NOTICED, PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PROVIDED,
STAFF RECEIVED NO OBJECTIONS, ARC REVIEW RECEIVED NO

OBJECTIONS.
WE REVIEWED THE PRIOR APPROVALS MENTIONED EARLIER.
THE ONLY OPTION WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR THOSE TWO LOTS FOR THE
DEVELOPER, THE APPLICANT TO COME IN, AND REZONE TO ANOTHER
PD, WHICH WOULD HAVE SPLIT THE PROJECT.
AND STAFF DID NOT FEEL THAT THOSE TWO LOTS SHOULD HAVE ITS
OWN PD DESIGNATION.
IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO KEEP THE PROJECT WHOLE IN ONE.
SO WE TOOK ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT STAFF
HAS NO OBJECTIONS.
WE ARE IN SUPPORT.
6:08:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT, IF I MAY,
MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO YOU LOOK STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THEIR REQUEST?
6:08:29PM >> WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THEIR MODIFICATION, YES.
AND THAT CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, COUNCIL.
I KNOW IT'S LATE BUT I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS.
6:08:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, IT'S EARLY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
WE HAVE ALL NIGHT.
6:08:47PM >> I'M SORRY.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
6:08:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CREMER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
6:09:07PM >> JAKE CREMER, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET HERE REPRESENTING

DEVELOPMENT AND PATEL FAMILY OFFICE, THEY ARE THE
DEVELOPERS.
THE BAD NEWS IS YOU AREN'T GOING TO TALK TO LEE ROY MARCH
FROM HOUSING AUTHORITY TONIGHT.
HE HAD TO LEAVE FOR A BOARD MEETING.
HE WAS HERE IN SUPPORT.
THE GOOD NEWS IS I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A FULL
PRESENTATION BECAUSE OF THE LATE HOUR.
THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE DEVELOPER
THAT IS VERY, VERY EXCITING.
WE ARE COMPLETING THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE ENCORE PROJECT.
WE ARE BRINGING MIXED USE, MIXED INCOME, AND A GROCERY
STORE.
SO I JUST WANT HIM TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
HE WORKED REALLY HARD ON IT.
6:09:51PM >> MY NAME IS -- FROM THE PATEL FAMILY OFFICE.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT JAKE IS SAYING IN ALIGNMENT WITH
DR. PATEL.
AND HIS ACCESS IN SO MANY WAYS AND A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE,
MEDICAL EDUCATION, CREATES ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, AND THEN
IN THIS KIND OF PROJECT, IT'S ACCESS TO HOME OWNERSHIP IN
THE FORM OF MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT IS A GROCERY STORE, SO IT'S AN INDEPENDENT CONCEPT.
IT'S TAILORED TO THE AREA.
HE FEELS PRETTY STRONGLY THAT THE DOWNTOWN GROWTH WILL BE

THE CENTRAL PART AND KIND OF FUTURE AND HE WILL MARRY THE
ENTIRE KIND OF TAMPA DOWNTOWN AREA.
WHAT WE SEE NOW IS IT IS EXTENDING NORTH, AND REALLY
CONTRIBUTES DO THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT 80,000 SQUARE FEET OF MEDICAL OFFICE
BUILDING.
IN EVERY WAY IT'S A CENTRAL ACCESS FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED,
KIND OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO BE CATERED TO AND TO HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE EQUAL, IN HOW THEY LIVE AND HOW THEY
ARE PROVIDED CARE.
THE OTHER THING, AS WE SEE WITH A LARGE EXODUS OF WORKFORCE,
TEACHERS, HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, CAN'T AFFORD, SO THEIR
INTENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO THAT THE OWNERSHIP
OPPORTUNITY AT A LOWER ENTRY RATE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AT.
AND I WILL STOP.
6:11:22PM >> JAKE:
SO WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT.
THE VOTE WOULD BE TO OVERTURN THE STAFF DECISION WITH STAFF
SUPPORT.
6:11:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:11:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OBJECTION IN
THE AUDIENCE, IS THERE?
6:11:41PM >> NO.
AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC.
6:11:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS THE MOST UNIQUE EVER, BECAUSE

OVERTURN THE CITY STAFF AND THE CITY IS STAFF IS SAYING THEY
ARE FOR IT.
SO I FEEL LIKE I AM JUGGLING IN A CIRCUS.
6:11:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST A COMMENT.
GLAD TO SEE THIS.
WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.
YOU MENTIONED SEA CHANGE FROM MEDICAL, TO AFFORDABLE ISSUE
EVERYWHERE.
AND OF COURSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL
NEIGHBORHOOD WITH GROCERY AND FRESH FOOD.
THE CHANNELSIDE PUBLIX NEARBY, BE PEOPLE CAN WALK A FEW
STEPS TO A GROCERY STORE.
SO GREAT.
GREAT PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
6:12:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES?
6:12:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT'S THE GROCERY STORE?
6:12:42PM >> ON THE MIXED USE, TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE?
6:12:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RANGE.
6:12:49PM >> RANGE.
6:12:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU SAID MIXED USE.
6:12:57PM >> THE WAY IT HAS BEEN SOCIALIZED IN OUR CONVERSATION, IT
CAN'T BE SOMETHING LIKE A WALMART OR GREEN.

JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, SO WE
DID DUE DILIGENCE OF GETTING AN INDEPENDENT GROCER THAT WILL
SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN A BROAD WAY AND DR. PATEL HAS TAKEN
IT UPON HIMSELF TO SAY, HEY, WORST-CASE SCENARIO IS I WILL
DO IT MYSELF.
SO WE DO HAVE -- NOT GOING TO BE THERE AS THE CASHIER.
JUST PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
SO IT WILL BE AN INDEPENDENT GROCER.
IT WILL BE ABOUT 24,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE GROUND FLOOR,
ABOUT EIGHT STORIES.
THAT'S THE PODIUM.
AND THEN RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT.
THE TOP TWO FLOORS AS IT'S MAPPED OUT OF THE PODIUM WILL BE
MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND IT WILL ALL BE MEDICAL ACCESS.
SO WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN QUITE A BIT -- WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW
WE ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE THAT.
6:13:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE REASON I ASKED THAT, ALL THE PROPERTY
OF ENCORE, SO PEOPLE ARE ASKING, I MEAN, SAY 120?
TALKING ABOUT THIS LEVEL OF MIXED USE.
I'M JUST CURIOUS.
6:14:10PM >> SO I THINK RIGHT NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONVEYANCE OF
REAL PROPERTY IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA, IT'S LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS
FOR A CONDO, A SQUARE FOOT.
SO THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT IS FOR THE NEW BUILD?
RITZ CARLTON, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT OUR GOAL IS TO GET VERY LOW ENTRY POINT BY REDUCING THE
SIZE.
IT'S NOT -- THERE'S A PROJECT IN MIAMI THAT WE MODELED IT
OFF OF CALLED LEGACY, INCREDIBLY EFFICIENT.
HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.
THERE'S NO WASTED SPACE IN THE UNITS.
THERE'S ABOUT 220 UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE -- THEY ARE NOT
MICRO BUT IT'S SMALLER IN SIZE, VERY CLOSE, BUT IT'S 600
SQUARE FEET.
AND SOME OF THE UNITS, THEY DID A REALLY GREAT JOB BUT THEY
ARE LIKE $4 A SQUARE FOOT FOR RENT AND PEOPLE NEVER OWN THE
PROPERTY.
IN BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS WE FOUND A LOT OF ENERGY.
6:15:21PM >> WE HAVE A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION ON LOT 5 TO PROVIDE AT
LEAST 20% OF THOSE UNITS TO BE BETWEEN 60 AND 20% AMI.
SO THAT'S A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION.
AND WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO BETTER THAN THAT.
6:15:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW MANY FLOORS?
EIGHT FLOORS?
APARTMENTS OR SIX FLOORS OF APARTMENTS?
6:15:43PM >> NO, THE PODIUM, SO IT WILL BE CLOSE TO 220, PROBABLY 19,
20 FLOORS TO THE INCLUDING THE PODIUM.
6:15:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:

6:15:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CAN'T GO MUCH HIGHER THEN.
6:15:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL DEAL WITH THAT NEXT WEEK.

6:16:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
QUICK QUESTION.
FAA WAS INVOLVED IN TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT?
6:16:20PM >> I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
6:16:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FAA, WHY WERE THEY INVOLVED?
6:16:28PM >> WHAT WAS THE FAA INVOLVED?
BECAUSE HCCA HAS AIRPORT ZONING.
6:16:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE QUESTION WAS 90 EAST.
WAS IT IN THE FLIGHT PATH FOR 90 EAST?
EAST-WEST RUNWAY?
THEY ARE IN THAT FLIGHT PATH, AREN'T THEY?
6:16:46PM >> LAND PLANNER.
HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED SING SINCE THE BEGINNING.
I THINK HE CAN ANSWER THAT.
6:16:51PM >> DAVID SMITH, SO IF YOU DO ANY APPLICATION THAT INVOLVES
ANY HEIGHT, THE AVIATION AUTHORITY GETS INVOLVED.
THEY BASICALLY JUST IDENTIFY WHAT THE RUNWAY PATH IS THAT
THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH.
6:17:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
90 EAST IS WHAT I WAS CONCERNED WITH.
6:17:09PM >> THERE'S BASICALLY A HEIGHT NOTICE ZONE, SO EVERYTHING
LIKE ANYTHING OVER 130 FEET THEY GET NOTICED, THEN YOU MAKE
AN APPLICATION, AND THEN THEY DETERMINE WITH FAA THE HEIGHT.
6:17:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT.
90 EAST.

THANK YOU.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYBODY?
YOU STAY RATE WHERE YOU ARE AT.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAS COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE?
6:17:36PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
6:17:38PM >> SECOND.
6:17:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS IT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
YES.
6:17:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
THERE'S A MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO OVERTURN THE
DENIAL, THEREFORE GRANTING THIS, WHICH IS FAIL SUB-22-10-C.
I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF THE
PROPOSED CHANGE REQUEST IN 22-10 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
1280 EAST HARRISON STREET BECAUSE THE PETITIONER HAS
DEMONSTRATED THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL
CHANGE ACCORDING TO THE STANDARD SET FORTH HEREIN IN SECTION
27-138-7 BUT ALSO HEARING FROM THE CITY THERE WERE NO
OBJECTIONS, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC OBJECTION, AND I
BELIEVE THAT THEY MEET THE MAKEUP AND CHARACTER OF THE

ENCORE DISTRICT AS WELL AS MEET THE GOALS OF THE ENCORE
DISTRICT IN THE SENSE THAT IT WILL BE PROVIDING COMMUNITY
AMENITIES, MUCH NEEDED HOUSING, AND A HEY QUALITY PRODUCT
THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF.
6:18:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
SORRY.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:19:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
6:19:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
6:19:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
6:19:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
6:19:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
6:19:14PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON AND
VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
6:19:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
INFORMATION AND REPORT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:19:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE 88 TO -- 88 CANNOT BE HEARD.
GOT A RENOTICE OR REMOVE.
6:19:40PM >> SECOND.
6:19:43PM >> MOTION BUT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.

INFORMATION REPORTS.
6:19:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO INVITE
REPRESENTATIVE TO COUNCIL US THE TUESDAY, OF A ZOO AND
MASTER VISION AND ALSO BRING A SURPRISE FROM THE ZOO.
6:20:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT BETTER A GIRAFFE.
6:20:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT MIGHT BE A TIGER.
IF I CAN HAVE THIS, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE IN
PLACING THEM FIRST ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT TO
TAKE THE GUEST BACK.
6:20:18PM >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO -- EXCUSE ME, MIRANDA,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION --
6:20:32PM >> MAKE A VOTE ON THE FIRST.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
6:20:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A
COMMENDATION TO AMATEUR RADIO CLUB WHO WILL BE CELEBRATING
ITS 100th ANNIVERSARY, OCTOBER 22ND, 2-022 AT 6 P.M. AND
I WILL BE PRESENTING TO THEM AT THE E.
6:20:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:21:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
WE HAD TWO YEARS AGO I ASKED ABOUT FENCING BE PUT AROUND A

PLACE THAT WAS TORN OUT OVER THERE, AND IT HASN'T BEEN DONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PARK AND RECREATION
INSTALL FENCING, WITH RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CRA WITH
FUNDING AS WELL, AND BRING A REPORT NOVEMBER 3rd.
6:21:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
THE 17th IS FINE.
6:21:48PM >> SECOND.
6:21:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
6:21:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAD ONE OF OUR GREAT SOLID WASTE
WORKERS DO A GREAT JOB, THE SOLID WASTE CONVENTION THEY HAD.
I WANT TO RECOGNIZE JOHN BILLINGSLEY COMPETING IN EL PASO
FROM THE NATIONAL SWANA ROAD-E-O.
HE'S ONLY THE SECOND EMPLOYEE TO COMPETE IN A NATIONAL RODEO
HISTORY FOR SOLID WASTE FROM TAMPA.
6:22:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:22:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SO I AM
MOVING THE STAFF UPDATE WITH THE FEEDBACK FROM THE FLORIDA
DEP WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 3rd UNDER STAFF
REPORTS AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS REGARDING THE BENEFICIAL USE
QUESTION ABOUT THE CITY'S DISCHARGE BE CONTINUED TO DECEMBER
1st, 2022.
6:23:00PM >> SECOND.

6:23:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN SECOND --
6:23:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, THE VOTE.
6:23:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS ONE MOTION.
MOVING THE UPDATE FOR THE BENEFICIAL USE QUESTION, WE ARE
MOVING IT FROM NOVEMBER 3rd, WHICH IS NEXT WEEK, TO --
I'M SORRY, DECEMBER 1st.
6:23:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOW A MOTION AND A SECOND.
6:23:25PM >> SECOND.
6:23:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
6:23:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REQUIRE THE DESIGN
CRITERIA PACKAGES BE ADDED TO THE REQUIRED SIRE
DOCUMENTATION FOR ALL DESIGN BUILD CONTRACT APPROVAL
REQUESTS.
6:23:49PM >> SECOND.
6:23:51PM >> MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
6:23:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S IT.
6:24:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
EXCELLENT.
6:24:02PM >> JANUARY 26th WORKSHOP.

I MOVE I.T. STAFF, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, AND LEGAL TO DISCUSS
THE COST, DOLLAR WISE AND IN STAFFING, AND THE FEASIBILITY
IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO HAVE STAFF REPORTS HELD ON A SEPARATE
DAY OTHER THAN THURSDAY.
AGAIN, THAT IS JANUARY 26th, 9:00 A.M.
6:24:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
6:24:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO
WITH A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
6:24:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
6:24:44PM >> I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I APOLOGIZE.
6:24:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A MOTION BUT NOT PREPARED TO
MAKE IT.
I NEED CLARIFICATION.
6:24:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TOTALLY GOING TO THAT SIDE.
WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
6:25:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, I AM NOT READY TO DO IT.
I WILL WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
6:25:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
6:25:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE A REQUEST AND I TALKED TO ABBYE
FEELEY AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
IT CAN BE DONE FOR NEXT WEEK'S WORKSHOP.
IT'S TO GROUP ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITEMS TOGETHER ON THE
WORKSHOP AND PUT THEM FIRST BECAUSE THEY USUALLY, FOR

WHATEVER REASON, VERY IMPORTANT AND I APPRECIATE COUNCIL
GIVING CONSIDERATION TO HAVING THEM FIRST ON THE AGENDA.
6:25:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
[MEETING ADJOURNED]


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