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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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09:01:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING,.
09:01:59AM THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS IN SESSION TODAY ON OCTOBER 27, 2022.
09:02:04AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE INVOCATION.
09:02:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:02:16AM THE DIRECTOR OF TRINITY EVANGELICAL CHURCH, AND BOTH
09:02:25AM ORDAINED CLERGY AND CHURCH OF NORTH AMERICA.
09:02:29AM THEY ENJOY COFFEE, READING AND TIME WITH THEIR SON, ROWAN,
09:02:35AM STUDIES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA AND PURSUING
09:02:39AM MASTERS OF ART THEOLOGY.
09:02:41AM HE HAS SERVED IN PASTORAL MINISTRY FOR EIGHT YEARS.
09:02:44AM THIS MORNING I GIVE YOU PASTOR TRAVIS LOWE.
09:02:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
09:02:54AM PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:02:55AM >> LET'S PRAY.
09:02:56AM OH MIGHTY GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING KNOWING OF
09:03:03AM THAT IN HOLY SCRIPTURE WE SHOULD PRAY FOR THOSE IN
09:03:07AM AUTHORITY, THOSE IN POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP AND SO WE DO
09:03:11AM THAT GRATEFULLY AND GLADLY.
09:03:14AM WE LIFT UP EVERY MEMBER IN THE CHAMBER, THE COUNCILMEN AND
09:03:18AM COUNCILWOMAN WHO IS LEADING OUR CITY.
09:03:20AM THOSE IN CHARGE ARE LEADING IN A WAY THAT IS JUST, RIGHT AND
09:03:24AM GOOD AND REQUIRES WISDOM.
09:03:26AM SO, FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU WILL GIVE THESE LEADERS WISDOM
09:03:30AM IN ABUNDANCE.
09:03:31AM THAT YOU GRANT THEM DISCERNMENT AND KNOWLEDGE BY THE POWER
09:03:34AM OF YOUR SPIRIT.
09:03:35AM GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU WILL GIVE EACH OF THEM THE MIND OF
09:03:38AM CHRIST WHO ALTHOUGH HE WAS LORD TOOK ON THE FORM OF A
09:03:43AM SERVANT.
09:03:44AM GOD, I PRAY THAT YOU WILL GIVE THEM THE MINDS OF SERVANTS
09:03:47AM AND THEY WILL SEE THEMSELVES AS SERVANTS FOR THE PEOPLE OF
09:03:51AM THIS CITY.
09:03:51AM GOD, WE ASK THAT IN ALL OF THE DELIBERATIONS, ALL OF THE
09:03:55AM DECISION THAT ARE MADE TODAY, GOD, THAT THEY WOULD BE GUIDED
09:03:59AM AND GOVERNED IN A WAY THAT IS GOOD, RIGHT AND TRUE.
09:04:01AM WE PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY, TAMPA.
09:04:04AM GOD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD LEAD THEM TO FLOURISHING AND TO
09:04:10AM ABUNDANCE AND TO JAI.
09:04:12AM WE ASK ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE
09:04:15AM SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
09:04:17AM WE SAY AMEN.
09:04:19AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL.
09:04:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:04:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:04:41AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:04:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:04:45AM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:04:48AM MR. SHELBY.
09:04:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
09:04:53AM OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
09:04:55AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNTY ATTORNEY.
09:04:57AM I WILL BE VERY BRIEF AND PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE
09:05:01AM GUIDELINES AS THEY ARE IN THE NOTICE AND ALLOW FOR USE OF
09:05:05AM COMMUNICATION IMMEDIATE CA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT THAT REQUIRES
09:05:09AM PREREGISTRATION.
09:05:09AM THOSE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONLINE.
09:05:13AM I WILL ASK THAT THE COUNCIL WAIVE THE RULES FOR THE USE
09:05:16AM OF CMT UNTIL WE CHANGE THE RULES.
09:05:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION.
09:05:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
09:05:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:05:22AM THANK YOU.
09:05:24AM WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME.
09:05:28AM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER, FILE NUMBER
09:05:33AM E-2022-8-27 BE CONTINUED UNTIL FEBRUARY 23, 2023.
09:05:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED.
09:05:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:05:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT, PLEASE.
09:05:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:05:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:05:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:06:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:06:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:06:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:06:08AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA
09:06:11AM BEING ABSENT.
09:06:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9 IS ASKED
09:06:16AM TO CONTINUE UNTIL JANUARY 26, 2023 FILE NUMBER CM22-76274.
09:06:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
09:06:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:06:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:06:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:06:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:06:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:06:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:06:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:06:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:06:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:06:44AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:06:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, FILE
09:06:48AM NUMBER CM22-76981 BEING ASKED TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL NOVEMBER
09:06:55AM 3, 2022.
09:06:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
09:07:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
09:07:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:07:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:07:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:07:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:07:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:07:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:07:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:07:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:07:15AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:07:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE NUMBER CM22-75606 IS BEING ASKED TO
09:07:23AM CONTINUE FOR A DATE TO BE DETERMINED IN THE FUTURE.
09:07:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:07:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:07:31AM >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE MARCH
09:07:34AM 20 WHATEVER AT THE WORKSHOP.
09:07:36AM WE DON'T HAVE MANY THERE, IF I MAY.
09:07:38AM MARCH 2023.
09:07:40AM MARCH 2023.
09:07:42AM LET ME SEE WHAT THAT IS --
09:07:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: 23rd.
09:07:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MARCH 23, 2023.
09:07:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: PLEASE.
09:07:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:07:56AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:07:58AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:08:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:08:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:08:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:08:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WAIT A MINUTE, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR IT
09:08:10AM WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, SHOT SPOTTER -- OH, I AM SORRY, I
09:08:16AM APOLOGIZE.
09:08:16AM YES.
09:08:18AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:08:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:08:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:08:22AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:08:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, CM22-79680 IS BEING
09:08:30AM ASKED TO CONTINUE UNTIL NOVEMBER 17,2022.
09:08:36AM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:08:41AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:08:43AM ROLL CALL.
09:08:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:08:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:08:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:08:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:08:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:08:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:08:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:08:51AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:08:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, TM-74623 IS BEING
09:09:01AM ASKED TO CONTINUE UNTIL JANUARY 26, 2023.
09:09:05AM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:09:08AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:09:09AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:09:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:09:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:09:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:09:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:09:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:09:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:09:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:09:20AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:09:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND THEN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, CM22-74323 IS
09:09:30AM BEING ASKED TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL JANUARY 26, 2023.
09:09:34AM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:09:38AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:09:41AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:09:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:09:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:09:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:09:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:09:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:09:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:09:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:09:51AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:09:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE ASKING FOR CHANGE TO OUR AGENDA?
09:09:58AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:09:59AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW WHAT CITY COUNCIL'S RULES WITH
09:10:01AM REGARD TO WORKSHOP, BUT SOME OF THE ITEMS WE MOVED PUT ON
09:10:05AM THE AGENDA SIX OR MORE MONTHS AGO AND SOME OF THEM -- THEY
09:10:08AM ALL MOVED FOR DIFFERENT REASONS BUT SOME OF THEM MOVED
09:10:11AM BECAUSE SUDDENLY A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE REAL ESTATE ISSUES
09:10:16AM ENDED UP ON THIS AGENDA.
09:10:17AM AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A LIMIT TO HOW MANY WORKSHOP
09:10:21AM ITEMS WE CAN PUT ON.
09:10:23AM AND THEN IF THE ADMINISTRATION OR OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
09:10:26AM COME BACK AND WANT TO ADD MORE, WE DRAW A HARD LINE
09:10:30AM OTHERWISE WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP MOVING THESE ALL THE TIME.
09:10:33AM WE SAY OUR HOUSE AND OUR AGENDA, BUT SOMEHOW HALF THE AGENDA
09:10:37AM ARE THING THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DIDN'T PUT ON.
09:10:40AM DO WE HAVE A HARD RULE ON IT -- ON WORKSHOPS?
09:10:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR.
09:10:45AM YOU HAVE YOUR CALENDAR.
09:10:47AM NO.
09:10:48AM IN TERMS OF ITEMS, THE RULE IS --
09:10:58AM >>BILL CARLSON: ANYBODY ELSE AGREE THE NUMBER OF ITEMS ON
09:11:01AM WORKSHOP DAYS?
09:11:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:11:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT HAVING THEM
09:11:12AM TOPICAL HELPS.
09:11:14AM HAVING THEM ALL ON A SIMILAR TOPIC ALLOWS US TO TALK ABOUT
09:11:22AM THIS IS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON HOUSING AND TEXT AMENDMENTS.
09:11:25AM MAKES SENSE THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF
09:11:28AM THE SAME IDEAS.
09:11:29AM JUST A THOUGHT.
09:11:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIR --
09:11:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOST OF THEM TODAY FITS THAT MOLD, BUT IT
09:11:38AM SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE TO TRY, IF WE CAN, SO THAT THE
09:11:41AM PUBLIC IS FOCUSED ON ONE THING.
09:11:43AM AND WE ARE FOCUSED ON ONE THING.
09:11:45AM I AM SORRY.
09:11:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, NO, PLEASE.
09:11:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNSELOR SHELBY.
09:11:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DIRECT COUNCIL'S ATTENTION A MEMO FROM THE
09:11:55AM CHIEF OF STAFF WHERE HE PROPOSES SETTING FORTH WORKSHOPS
09:11:59AM SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR FOR CERTAIN
09:12:02AM ITEMS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON CERTAIN GENERAL AREAS.
09:12:04AM AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL, I ASK THAT YOU TAKE A
09:12:08AM LOOK AT.
09:12:10AM BECAUSE WHEN WE DO CHANGE THESE RULES, I WOULD LIKE TO BE
09:12:13AM ABLE TO BE CONSISTENT.
09:12:15AM THE RULE FOR THE WORKSHOP IS A WORKSHOP SHALL BE DEFINED AS
09:12:19AM A MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF
09:12:22AM COUNCIL BEING INFORMED ON AND DISCUSSING MATTERS OF SPECIAL
09:12:24AM CONCERN THAT REQUIRE TIME IN EXCESS OF THAT USUALLY AFFORDED
09:12:29AM FOR STAFF REPORTS AT A REGULAR MEETING.
09:12:31AM AS YOU KNOW OUR STAFF REPORTS ARE GETTING MORE NUMEROUS AND
09:12:34AM LENGTHIER.
09:12:35AM SO I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL GIVE CONSIDERATION HOW IT WANTS
09:12:39AM TO STRUCTURE ITS WORKSHOP AND CERTAINLY GIVE ME DIRECTION
09:12:42AM AND I WILL BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE CHAIR IN IMPLEMENTING THAT
09:12:47AM AND ITS RULES.
09:12:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF, I SEE YOU ON LINE.
09:12:51AM SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
09:12:53AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:12:55AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:12:56AM GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
09:12:57AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:12:59AM JUST LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, I WILL BE BRIEF.
09:13:02AM I APPRECIATE MR. SHELBY BRINGING FORWARD THAT SUGGESTION.
09:13:08AM WHAT I HAVE ANALYZED OVER THE YEARS IS THAT THERE IS ABOUT
09:13:11AM NINE WORKSHOPS A YEAR.
09:13:13AM I WAS TRYING TO TARGET SIX OF THOSE IN THAT SEMI ANNUAL
09:13:17AM APPROACH.
09:13:17AM NOT TO JUST SAY THAT THIS IS THE ONLY SPACE THAT IT CAN
09:13:21AM HAPPEN, BUT TWO FOR PARKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
09:13:24AM TWO FOR HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
09:13:29AM AND TWO FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
09:13:31AM AND THEN THAT ALSO BRINGS IN TWO MORE FOR THE BUDGET,
09:13:39AM MIDYEAR REPORT AND A BUDGET WORKSHOP AFTER THE MAYOR'S
09:13:43AM PRESENTATION OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
09:13:44AM THAT WILL MAKE UP EIGHT OPPORTUNITIES.
09:13:46AM AND THEN FEBRUARY WAS THE ONE THAT I KIND OF LEFT OPEN FOR,
09:13:51AM YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE MAY COME UP TOURING THE CALENDAR
09:13:54AM YEAR, THE FISCAL YEAR.
09:13:56AM AND THEN THERE IS TYPICALLY A GAP IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER
09:13:58AM AND IN THE SUMMER.
09:14:02AM SO, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT NINE, WHETHER THERE IS
09:14:05AM ONE MISSING IN JUNE OR JULY HAS TO BE DISCUSSED.
09:14:08AM BUT THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY TAKE CARE OF NINE WORKSHOPS AS
09:14:11AM PLACEHOLDERS FOR THESE LARGER WORKSHOP ISSUES.
09:14:15AM WE ARE FLEXIBLE AND SUPPORTIVE, SO WHATEVER THE CHAIR AND
09:14:20AM COUNCIL COME UP WITH, WE ARE HAPPY TO SUPPORT.
09:14:22AM THANK YOU.
09:14:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNSELOR SHELBY.
09:14:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON'S POINT, IT RAISES
09:14:31AM THE ISSUE THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT COUNCIL BRINGS FORTH
09:14:35AM INDIVIDUALLY THAT ARE SOMETIMES OF A TIME-SENSITIVE NATURE
09:14:38AM THAT SOMETIMES WE REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK AND A
09:14:42AM LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
09:14:43AM SO IT WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITHIN SOME SORT OF FRAMEWORK
09:14:48AM BECAUSE CERTAINLY COUNCIL -- IF FEBRUARY IS THE ONLY OPEN
09:14:51AM WORKSHOP ONLY ONE WORKSHOP FOR CITY COUNCIL ONCE A YEAR AND
09:14:55AM HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF A BLEND AND SOMETHING I AM WILLING TO
09:14:58AM WORK WITH THE CHAIR, THE STAFF AND THE CHIEF OF
09:15:01AM ADMINISTRATION TO EFFECTUATE.
09:15:06AM COUNCIL NEEDS TO BRING THINGS FORWARD ON A TIME-SENSITIVE
09:15:09AM NATURE AND TIME-FRIENDLY MANNER.
09:15:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: OPPOSITE.
09:15:14AM THIS IS CITY COUNCIL'S WORKSHOPS.
09:15:16AM CITY COUNCIL HEARS FROM THE PUBLIC EVERY DAY AND WE BRING UP
09:15:20AM ISSUE THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO REVIEW AND WE WANT STAFF TO
09:15:23AM REVIEW AND WHAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF PRESENTED IS THE
09:15:26AM ADMINISTRATION WILL CONTROL ALL NINE.
09:15:27AM WHAT HAPPENED TO SEPARATION OF POWERS.
09:15:30AM JOB WHY THE CITY ATTORNEY IS NOT STEPPING UP SAYING THE
09:15:33AM ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO USURP THE POWER OF INDEPENDENT
09:15:37AM POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
09:15:38AM I MEAN A SEPARATION OF POWER HERE.
09:15:40AM WE HAVE GOT ISSUES AND SERIOUS SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES TO DISCUSS
09:15:44AM TODAY AND IT SUDDENLY BECAME REAL ESTATE THEMED EVEN THOUGH
09:15:48AM WE BOOKED SOME OF THESE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO.
09:15:52AM BASED ON THE SCHEDULE HE DESCRIBED, ONE TIME A YEAR IS CITY
09:15:56AM COUNCIL GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
09:15:58AM IMAGINE IF COUNCILMAN VIERA WANTED TO BRING UP
09:16:02AM APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM OR SOMETHING RELATED TO DISABILITIES,
09:16:05AM DOESN'T FIT ANY OF THE THEMES THAT JUST CAME UP.
09:16:07AM DOESN'T GIVE US ANY FLEXIBILITY WHATSOEVER.
09:16:10AM WHAT IT IS THE ADMINISTRATION PROGRAMMING WHAT THEY WANT US
09:16:13AM TO HEAR.
09:16:14AM AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THEM IF THEY CAN LOBBY US, YOU
09:16:19AM KNOW AS THEY ARE DOING ON A LOT MUCH ISSUES ALREADY.
09:16:25AM BUT HANDING OVER THE WORKSHOPS TO THEM.
09:16:27AM WE HAND OVER MOST OF THE REGULAR AGENDA TO THEM.
09:16:30AM WHEN CAN WE BRING UP THE ISSUES THAT CONSTITUENTS WANT US TO
09:16:35AM BRING UP.
09:16:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCILMAN
09:16:38AM VIERA.
09:16:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:16:39AM WE HAVE ONE ITEM OR 15 ITEMS OR 20 ITEMS.
09:16:45AM THE PUBLIC IS THE ONE THAT WE SERVE, THE EIGHT OF US, THAT
09:16:49AM INCLUDES THE ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:16:52AM SO I AM NOT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING.
09:16:55AM I AM FOR GIVING -- YOU WANT AN ITEM.
09:16:57AM YOU WANT SIX, SEVEN OR EIGHT ITEMS CUT OFF, THAT'S FINE.
09:17:01AM BUT I SUGGEST MAYBE THE CHAIR CAN HAVE MORE DIRECT
09:17:06AM CONVERSATION WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE AGENDA.
09:17:07AM I AM NOT SAYING YOU DON'T, SIR.
09:17:10AM BUT MAYBE YOU CAN SAY WE GOT TOO MANY.
09:17:12AM WE NEED TO STOP IT HERE.
09:17:14AM HAVE IT ON COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
09:17:15AM HAVEN'T HAD THE FIRST ONE YET AND DISCUSSING AN ITEM THAT IS
09:17:19AM NOT ON THE AGENDA.
09:17:20AM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT.
09:17:23AM WE GOT TO BE TIME FOCUSED AND REALIZE -- I AM NOT SAYING WE
09:17:27AM DON'T, BECAUSE WE DO, BUT I DON'T LIKE TO BICKER ABOUT
09:17:30AM THINGS THAT ARE SMALL.
09:17:31AM AND I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS SMALL.
09:17:33AM WANT SOMETHING DONE WHEN IT IS ON THE AGENDA COMPLETED.
09:17:36AM ALREADY TODAY WE HAVE -- HOW MANY CONTINUATIONS FROM THIS
09:17:41AM AGENDA TO ANOTHER AGENDA.
09:17:42AM SO THAT AGENDA THEN IS GOING TO BE FULL WITHOUT EVEN
09:17:47AM STARTING IT, BECAUSE WE MOVED SOME ITEMS FROM ONE AREA TO
09:17:50AM THE OTHER AREA.
09:17:51AM SO NOT WHAT SIDE YOU ARE ON OR THE OTHER SIDE, THIS IS ABOUT
09:17:55AM ALL OF US PLAYING IN THE SAME FIELD TO HAVE THE SAME GOALS
09:17:58AM AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS THE WINNER.
09:18:00AM THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.
09:18:01AM I AM NOT SAYING WE ARE NOT DOING THAT, BUT WE NEED TO FIND A
09:18:04AM BETTER WAY DEFINING IT, THAT'S ALL.
09:18:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:18:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:18:10AM I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MOTION IN PLACE TO ASK OUR
09:18:15AM CHAIR TO WORK WITH OUR COUNSEL WITH THREE BASIC ISSUES: TO
09:18:19AM LIMIT THE NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS PUT ON THE AGENDA, VERY SIMPLE
09:18:22AM TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
09:18:23AM THEY CAN COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.
09:18:25AM AND DEAL WITH -- IF ANY ISSUES WITH THE ADMINISTRATION,
09:18:29AM THINGS THAT ARE PUT ON THE AGENDA, ETC., TO HAVE A POLICY SO
09:18:32AM THE ISSUES CAN BE WEIGHED OUT AND DEALING WITH STAFF REPORTS
09:18:35AM AND HAVE IT COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
09:18:37AM THAT'S IT.
09:18:37AM END OF STORY.
09:18:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
09:18:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
09:18:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PLEASE, IF I CAN, MADAM CLERK -- OR MR.
09:18:49AM VIERA.
09:18:49AM YOU SAY TWO WEEKS --
09:18:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: CHAIR AND COUNSEL.
09:18:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I KNOW --
09:18:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
09:18:56AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, RESTATE -- MY MOTION IS TO SIMPLY
09:19:01AM HAVE THE CHAIR AND OUR ATTORNEY, MR. SHELBY, WORK IN A POLICY
09:19:04AM TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS THAT CAN BE PROPOSED EITHER
09:19:08AM FROM EACH COUNCILMEMBER ON AN AGENDA OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE
09:19:13AM THAT INCLUDES WORKING WITH ADMINISTRATION -- TO HAVE A
09:19:15AM HOLISTIC POINT OF VIEW AND LIMITING STAFF REPORTS.
09:19:18AM WE DO THAT AND WE SOLVE 99% OF OUR PROBLEMS.
09:19:21AM MAYBE 60%, WHATEVER.
09:19:23AM BUT WE SOLVE A GREAT MANY OF OUR PROBLEMS.
09:19:25AM LEAVE IT TO THE CHAIR OR MR. SHELBY WHEN IT WILL COME BACK.
09:19:29AM NOVEMBER 17, IS THAT GOOD, SIR?
09:19:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT GOOD FOR RESTATING THE MOTION?
09:19:40AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
09:19:42AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:19:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAID A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I WAS A
09:19:46AM CHAIRMAN AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
09:19:48AM YOU HAVE A HEAD COACH.
09:19:49AM MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE THE HEAD COACH.
09:19:51AM I TOLD YOU THAT MANY A TIMES, SIR.
09:19:55AM KEEP SAYING THAT.
09:19:56AM YOU ARE THE HEAD COACH.
09:19:57AM THE CHAIRMAN IS THE QUARTERBACK.
09:19:59AM THE QUARTERBACK RUNS THE SHOW.
09:20:00AM YOU ARE THE HEAD COACH.
09:20:01AM YOU GIVE THE OVERVIEW, THE SCHEME A LITTLE BIT.
09:20:04AM AND, AGAIN, MR. VIERA BROUGHT UP THE POINT.
09:20:11AM WORKING WITH THE CHAIR.
09:20:12AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP YOU HAVE WITH THE
09:20:14AM CHAIR OR NOT, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT COME UP,
09:20:17AM YOU AND --
09:20:18AM >> THE BROADCAST IS NOW STARTING.
09:20:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LIKE ME AND YOU DID.
09:20:25AM I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE
09:20:29AM COUNCILMEMBERS AND THE CHAIR NEED TO BE STRONGER WITH ALL
09:20:31AM COUNCILMEMBERS BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN A LACK OF DISRESPECT FOR
09:20:36AM YOU BY CERTAIN COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:20:38AM I AM NOT MENTIONING NAMES, BUT I THINK IT IS DOWNRIGHT
09:20:42AM WRONG.
09:20:42AM YOU ARE THE LEAD COUNSEL FOR THIS COUNCIL.
09:20:46AM YOU DON'T ANSWER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
09:20:48AM YOUR JOB IS TO GUIDE IN COUNCIL.
09:20:50AM I TOLD YOU MANY, MANY TIMES THAT SOMETIMES I DON'T SEE THAT
09:20:53AM BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO FIGHT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
09:20:56AM I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
09:20:57AM YOU ARE MY COUNSEL.
09:20:58AM IT IS YOUR JOB TO PROTECT THIS HOUSE, REGARDLESS.
09:21:01AM SO, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN.
09:21:04AM I THINK THAT A LOT OF COUNCIL SEEING IT THAT WAY NOW.
09:21:09AM I WANT YOU TO BE COACH AND THE CHAIRMAN TO BE QUARTERBACK.
09:21:13AM THE COACH NEEDS TO LEAD THE QUARTERBACK HOW WE NEED TO RUN.
09:21:18AM I APPRECIATE IT.
09:21:19AM I YIELD BACK.
09:21:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS.
09:21:24AM COUNCIL, WE ARE A DIFFERENT COUNCIL THAN THE OTHER COUNCILS
09:21:27AM THAT COME BEFORE US.
09:21:28AM WE ARE HEARING MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE AT EACH ONE
09:21:34AM OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, WHETHER IT BE WORKSHOPS, WHETHER IT
09:21:38AM BE STAFF REPORTS, REZONINGS, ABs.
09:21:45AM COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER DAY.
09:21:50AM MAYBE TWO MORE DAY AS MONTH.
09:21:51AM IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS OF THIS CITY.
09:22:00AM LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON COUNCILMAN VIERA'S MOTION.
09:22:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:22:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:22:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:22:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:22:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:22:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
09:22:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:22:21AM ANY OTHER --
09:22:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN SINCE WE ARE TALKING OF DAYS
09:22:30AM AND SO FORTH, MR. CHAIRMAN I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO PUT ON
09:22:33AM THE CHARTER REVIEW.
09:22:34AM THIS COUNCIL AND THIS CITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY.
09:22:38AM I MEAN TREMENDOUSLY.
09:22:39AM WE ARE NO LONGER A LITTLE CITY.
09:22:41AM THIS IS A FULL-TIME JOB.
09:22:43AM NO LONGER A PART-TIME JOB.
09:22:45AM IT SAYS "PART-TIME."
09:22:47AM I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND AT THE CHARTER REVIEW THAT THE CITY
09:22:50AM CHARTER BE CHANGED THAT CITY COUNCIL BE A FULL-TIME
09:22:54AM POSITION.
09:22:54AM THE HOURS THAT SOME OF US ARE WORKING, OUT IN THE
09:22:57AM COMMUNITIES, FOR OUR FAMILIES.
09:23:02AM THIS NEEDS TO BE STATED AS SUCH AS THIS POSITION IS NO
09:23:04AM LONGER PART-TIME, AND I WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION DURING
09:23:07AM THE CHARTER REVIEW.
09:23:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU NEED A SECOND?
09:23:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
09:23:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND.
09:23:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:23:18AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:23:19AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:23:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY EXPLAIN MY VOTE, SIR.
09:23:23AM NO, AGAIN, I AM GLAD TO DISCUSS THAT BY VOTING.
09:23:26AM I AM NOT VOTING YES -- I AM JUST -- AS A COURTESY TO HAVE
09:23:31AM THAT DISCUSSION.
09:23:32AM THANK YOU.
09:23:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE AGENDA.
09:23:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WAS NO VOTE ON THAT?
09:23:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE WE GOOD?
09:23:46AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA?
09:23:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK.
09:23:49AM WAS THERE A VOTE?
09:23:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, WE DID.
09:23:53AM WE SAID ALL IN FAVOR.
09:23:55AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:23:57AM AYE.
09:23:59AM OKAY.
09:24:01AM ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA?
09:24:08AM YES, MA'AM, YOU -- I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
09:24:11AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8 AND 15 ALL HEARD
09:24:18AM TOGETHER.
09:24:20AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:24:22AM NICOLE TRAVIS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
09:24:24AM OPPORTUNITY.
09:24:25AM WE SUBMITTED A MEMO THAT THOSE ITEMS BE BUNDLED TOGETHER.
09:24:30AM THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT YOU REQUESTED FOR US TO COME BACK TO
09:24:34AM YOU IN A WORKSHOP FORM.
09:24:34AM THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE.
09:24:36AM MISS FEELEY AND MR. COTTON ARE GOING TO PRESENT MOST OF
09:24:40AM THOSE ITEMS TO YOU.
09:24:41AM ITEM NUMBER 15, WHILE IT IS ON YOUR AGENDA, I HAVE TO BEG
09:24:44AM YOUR FORGIVENESS.
09:24:45AM I DROPPED THE BALL IN UPLOADING THE ITEMS TO SIRE.
09:24:50AM I HAVE A HANDOUT.
09:24:51AM NOT TAKING ANY ACTION ON COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
09:24:55AM STRICTLY INFORMATIONAL.
09:24:57AM WE DID PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND IF YOU WOULD INDULGE US AND
09:25:01AM ALLOW US -- TO WALK ON THESE ITEMS FOR YOU TODAY.
09:25:03AM I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR WANTING THE ITEMS AHEAD OF TIME.
09:25:07AM AND IT WAS IN MY IN-BOX AND I DROPPED THE BALL.
09:25:11AM ASKING FOR YOUR INDULGENCE TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO
09:25:15AM YOU TODAY IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.
09:25:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITHOUT OBJECTION.
09:25:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
09:25:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL GO AHEAD HEARING 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
09:25:27AM AND 15 WITH THE PRESENTATION FROM MISS NICOLE.
09:25:30AM MR. SHELBY.
09:25:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU.
09:25:32AM COUNCIL, I WANT TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION, WHEN YOU
09:25:37AM HAVE THE ITEMS BUNDLED TOGETHER SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS
09:25:41AM CHANGES IN THE CODE.
09:25:41AM I SPOKE WITH MISS FEELEY ABOUT THIS EARLY THIS MORNING.
09:25:44AM WHAT I RECOMMEND STRONGLY IS THAT WHAT YOU DO IS WHEN YOU
09:25:47AM FINISH A SUBJECT MATTER WITHIN THAT PRESENTATION, YOU ACT ON
09:25:52AM A DECISION POINT.
09:25:53AM IF THERE IS A DECISION POINT TO BE MADE.
09:25:56AM RATHER THAN HEARING THE WHOLE PRESENTATION WITHOUT
09:25:59AM INTERRUPTION AND HAVING TO RECALL THE FIRST ITEM AFTER THE
09:26:01AM SIX OR SEVEN ITEMS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
09:26:04AM IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE WORKSHOP SHOULD BE STRUCTURED WHEN
09:26:08AM ITEMS ARE BUNDLED, I ASK THAT COUNCIL TAKE THE TIME TO
09:26:12AM REFLECT UPON WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD AND IF A DECISION POINT IS
09:26:15AM TO BE TAKEN TO TAKE IT AT THAT TIME AND MOVE IT ON TO THE
09:26:18AM NEXT ITEM, PLEASE.
09:26:20AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: CAN I HAND THESE OUT?
09:26:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURE.
09:26:27AM WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:26:29AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU.
09:26:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:26:33AM ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS WHO WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS
09:26:38AM TIME.
09:26:38AM PLEASE FORM A LINE TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
09:26:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK AV THAT SHOWS THAT THE
09:26:55AM BROADCAST IS NOT UP.
09:26:56AM AND OUR MONITORS ARE NOT UP EITHER.
09:26:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS
09:27:15AM TIME.
09:27:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS STANLEY GRAY.
09:27:21AM 3020 WEST HARBORVIEW AVENUE.
09:27:24AM I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE INTERESTS OF THE URBAN LEAGUE OF
09:27:28AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AT 1250 RAY CHARLES BOULEVARD.
09:27:31AM I AM ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT AND LEGITIMIZE AS WELL AS
09:27:36AM LEGISLATURE ALL ISSUES PERTAINING TO THE ACCEPTANCE OF
09:27:40AM ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.
09:27:43AM I AM ALSO ASKING YOU TO ASSIST IN THE FUTURE THE URBAN
09:27:47AM LEAGUE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TO OBTAIN CITY PROPERTY SO WE
09:27:50AM CAN ACTUALLY BUILD AND MAKE MORE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS,
09:27:54AM HOUSING FOR SPECIFIC PARTIES, SENIOR CITIZENS ON FIXED
09:27:59AM INCOMES, AS WELL AS RETURNING CITIZENS.
09:28:02AM NOSE TWO PARTIES OR DESIGNATIONS ARE TWO OF THE FASTEST
09:28:08AM GROWING HOMELESS POPULATIONS WITHIN OUR CITY.
09:28:11AM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MY REQUEST.
09:28:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:28:17AM NEXT.
09:28:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:28:23AM NATHAN HAGAN REPRESENTING NIMBY TAMPA TODAY.
09:28:29AM I AM FOCUSING ON THIS.
09:28:30AM THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
09:28:33AM I AM JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT I BELIEVE THE MISSION IS WHY
09:28:39AM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW.
09:28:40AM WE HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.
09:28:42AM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS HAVE MANY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES,
09:28:45AM THE WAY PEOPLE LOOK AT IT.
09:28:46AM BUT THE WAY WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS TODAY, HOW DOES THIS
09:28:49AM PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
09:28:52AM I WOULD JUST EMPHASIZE THE GOALS IN MY MIND OF THESE CHANGES
09:28:57AM ARE TO CREATE AS MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
09:29:01AM SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OPTIONS, THERE ARE WAYS TO BICKER OH,
09:29:06AM WELL, PEOPLE WILL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ACCESSORY -- OR AIRBNB
09:29:09AM THAT WE CAN'T REGULATE AND WE KNOW WE CAN'T.
09:29:11AM THE NUISANCE IS NOT A GOOD REASON TO SAY NO TO AFFORDABLE
09:29:15AM HOUSING.
09:29:15AM I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO KEEP THAT IN MIND TODAY AS WE HAVE
09:29:19AM THESE DISCUSSIONS.
09:29:19AM IN PARTICULAR, I HEARD FROM NEIGHBORHOODS AS I HAVE GONE OUT
09:29:22AM AND SPOKE WITH FOLKS.
09:29:24AM THAT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE GOING TO BE A CONCENSUS
09:29:28AM TOPIC WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING AND SO DO THE SETBACKS.
09:29:31AM I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU HOW THAT MIGHT EFFECT WHETHER UNITS
09:29:36AM WILL BE BUILT OR NOT BE BUILT.
09:29:38AM TO THE EXTENT THEY WILL NOT BE BUILT, THAT SHOULD UNDERMINE
09:29:41AM CRITICISM TO THOSE ITEMS.
09:29:43AM THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT ARE NOT BEING PROPOSED THAT I
09:29:46AM WOULD LIKE TO SEE DISCUSSED TODAY WHICH I HOPE ARE PROPOSED
09:29:49AM MAYBE ON A SEPARATE CODE CHANGE AFTER THESE ONE THAT ARE
09:29:52AM PROPOSED.
09:29:53AM THOSE ARE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REMOVAL OF THE OFF-STREET
09:29:56AM PARKING REQUIREMENT.
09:29:57AM THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE LIVING IN THESE HOMES ARE THE
09:30:01AM PEOPLE LESS LIKELY TO OWN CARS.
09:30:02AM TO REQUIRE THEM TO PAY FOR PARKING IN THEIR RENT I DON'T
09:30:06AM THINK IS USEFUL.
09:30:07AM AND WE SHOULD ALLOW IT CITYWIDE, THAT INCLUDES IN SOUTH
09:30:11AM TAMPA AND THE FEW PLACES IN NORTH TAMPA THAT WILL NOT BE
09:30:14AM PROHIBITED BY DEED RESTRICTION.
09:30:16AM THOSE PLACES SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO HAVE THEM AS WELL.
09:30:18AM AS WELL AS YBOR.
09:30:20AM I DON'T THINK YBOR IS CONSIDERED UNDER THIS CHANGE.
09:30:24AM WHY WOULDN'T YBOR BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS.
09:30:26AM WE NEED THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
09:30:28AM AND FINALLY -- AND I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT STANLEY
09:30:31AM WAS SAYING IS THIS CAN'T JUST BE FOR HOMEOWNERS AND PEOPLE
09:30:36AM OCCUPYING THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
09:30:38AM LANDLORDS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BUILD MORE HOUSING AND RENT IT
09:30:41AM OUT AT AFFORDABLE RATES.
09:30:43AM NOT ALL OF THEM WILL BE AFFORDABLE, BUT SOME WILL BE A GOOD
09:30:48AM DEAL THAN WILL BE.
09:30:50AM AND NONPROFITS THAT WOULD LIKE TO OPERATE PROPERTIES ARE
09:30:53AM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND WOULDN'T BE IN WHAT IS BEING
09:30:57AM PROPOSED.
09:30:58AM I WILL ASK TO REMOVE ANY RESTRICTIONS OF PRIMARY RESIDENCE
09:31:01AM BEING OCCUPIED BY THE HOMEOWNER.
09:31:03AM I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HELP US BUILD MORE UNITS.
09:31:05AM I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT I WILL
09:31:07AM ASK NOT TO HAVE THOSE THINGS.
09:31:09AM THOSE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TODAY.
09:31:11AM AND I HOPE THAT CITY COUNCIL TAKES THIS AS AN AFFORDABLE
09:31:14AM HOUSING ISSUE AND NOT A NUISANCE MINIMIZATION ISSUE.
09:31:18AM THANK YOU.
09:31:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:31:20AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS.
09:31:31AM LOCATED 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST
09:31:37AM CHURCH.
09:31:37AM YOU KNOW I HAVE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER
09:31:43AM YEAR AND DON'T GET NO KIND OF RESULT.
09:31:45AM BUT THE THING ABOUT IT, I GUESS I AM TALKING TO THE WRONG
09:31:48AM PEOPLE.
09:31:49AM I NEED TO TALK TO GOD MORE ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
09:31:53AM I JUST -- WHEN I USED TO COME DOWN HERE A LONG TIME AGO,
09:32:00AM THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BLACK MAN SITTING UP THERE.
09:32:03AM AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A WHITE WOMAN SITTING UP THERE.
09:32:05AM IT WAS ALL WHITE MEN.
09:32:07AM AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING A BLACK MAN SITTING UP THERE AND
09:32:11AM A WOMAN SITTING UP THERE, WE WILL GET SOME RESULTS, BUT IT
09:32:15AM SEEMS LIKE IT DONE GOT WORSE.
09:32:18AM YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW THAT I KEEP MY TRUST IN GOD.
09:32:22AM I DIDN'T COME TOWN HERE WITH NO WALKER TODAY BECAUSE I FELL
09:32:26AM IN THE ELEVATOR LAST WEEK.
09:32:28AM POLICEMAN OUT THERE HAD TO GET ME OUT.
09:32:31AM NOW I AM WALKING WITH THIS CANE, AND IT WORSER THAN MY
09:32:36AM WALKER, BUT I AM TRYING TO DO THE BEST HE CAN.
09:32:38AM STAND UP FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ALL PEOPLE.
09:32:41AM ANY OF YOU CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYERS?
09:32:45AM IF YOU DO, I NEED YOU.
09:32:47AM BECAUSE I GET NO RESULT AT MY CHURCH.
09:32:51AM AND I AM A SENIOR CITIZEN.
09:32:56AM I AM ON A FIXED INCOME AND YOU TREAT ME WORSER THAN YOU DO
09:33:01AM SOME OF Y'ALL'S DAMN DOGS.
09:33:03AM I AM TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO KEEP MY CONGREGATION
09:33:07AM COMING BACK AND WORSHIP GOD ALMIGHTY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT
09:33:11AM IS ALL ABOUT AND HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY.
09:33:15AM ALTHOUGH PAINFUL, BUT I THANK GOD THAT I'M HERE.
09:33:19AM I AM NOT TRYING TO IT BE -- SPEAKING FOR THE BLACK FOLK.
09:33:24AM NO, I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE I AM A PREACHER.
09:33:26AM AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
09:33:28AM WE WANT EVERYBODY TO GO TO GLORY.
09:33:31AM EVERYBODY WILL BE UP THERE WITH JESUS CHRIST.
09:33:34AM IT IS COMING THAT DAY ONE DAY WHEN WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE
09:33:37AM ABLE TO COME DOWN HERE.
09:33:38AM WE WILL BE DEAD AND GONE ON TO GLORY.
09:33:42AM BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM HAPPILY COMING DOWN HERE BECAUSE YOU
09:33:48AM CAN SEE -- I ASKED THE YOUNG LADY THE OTHER DAY.
09:33:50AM HOW COME YOU DON'T COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ANYMORE.
09:33:53AM THEY SAID YOU DON'T DO NOTHING FOR ME.
09:33:56AM AND DON'T DO FOR SOMEBODY THAT LOOK LIKE US.
09:34:00AM I SAY ONE DAY WE MIGHT CHANGE.
09:34:02AM I WAS BORN IN 1938.
09:34:06AM I WAS BORN BEFORE ALL OF YOU ALL AND THANK GOD THAT I AM
09:34:12AM STILL HERE, ALIVE AND STILL KICKING.
09:34:14AM I WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING FOR ME AND WHAT IS RIGHT FOR ALL
09:34:17AM PEOPLE.
09:34:17AM THE BLACK, THE MEXICAN, THE JEWS, THE WHITE FOLK, AND
09:34:21AM EVERYBODY ELSE.
09:34:22AM DON'T JUST PICK OUT CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT YOU ALL WANT TO BE
09:34:25AM CATERED TO.
09:34:26AM BE CATER TO EVERYBODY.
09:34:28AM ESPECIALLY THESE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE WAITING TO COME UP
09:34:32AM HERE TO BE WHERE I AM.
09:34:33AM I HEARD IT.
09:34:34AM THANK YOU.
09:34:35AM GOD BLESS ALL OF Y'ALL.
09:34:37AM I GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE.
09:34:38AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:34:48AM LOST MY KEYS LAST WEEK.
09:34:50AM I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO ASSISTED ME IN FINDING THEM
09:34:53AM AND LOCATING THEM.
09:34:54AM I WAS ABLE TO FIND THEM.
09:34:55AM A LOT OF NICE PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE WORLD.
09:34:57AM WHAT I'M HERE TO SAY THIS MORNING IS IT IS AN IGNORANT
09:35:02AM PROCESS YOU HAVE GOING ON HERE.
09:35:03AM THIS INVOCATION STUPIDNESS.
09:35:06AM ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY IGNORANT.
09:35:08AM PROBABLY ILLEGAL UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
09:35:11AM AND YOU NEED TO GIVE INDIVIDUALS EQUAL TIME OR SOME FORM OF
09:35:15AM REBUTTAL TO MAKE IT FAIR.
09:35:17AM WEEK AFTER WEEK YOU HAVE IGNORANT PEOPLE THANKING Y'ALL.
09:35:21AM THANKING GOD.
09:35:23AM THANKING JESUS CHRIST.
09:35:24AM THANKING STUPIDITY.
09:35:27AM BLESSING THIS PERSON.
09:35:28AM BLESSING THAT PERSON.
09:35:30AM NOT REFLECTIVE OF POOR AND WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE IN THIS CITY
09:35:33AM AND ANY OTHER CITY THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
09:35:35AM SO THAT IS UNFAIR FOR THE VOTERS TO PUT Y'ALL UP THERE TO
09:35:39AM HAVE THIS IGNORANCE, PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE BEGGING FOR
09:35:42AM $1500 FOR JUNETEENTH, FOR A PARK AND 34th STREET.
09:35:46AM BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BIGGER ISSUES THAN THAT.
09:35:48AM APPEAR AND ALL THIS IGNORANT STUFF THAT YOU DO DOESN'T MAKE
09:35:52AM ANY SENSE.
09:35:52AM ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NO SENSE.
09:35:54AM IT IS UNFAIR.
09:35:55AM UNFAIR.
09:35:56AM HURTFUL AND HARMFUL.
09:35:58AM NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.
09:36:00AM THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE.
09:36:01AM INVOCATIONS NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA OR ALLOW
09:36:03AM EQUAL TIME FOR REBUTTAL RESPONSE.
09:36:05AM THIS AGENDA SHOULD SHOW RESPECT TO THE AFRICAN PEOPLE IN
09:36:09AM THIS CITY BY PLACING REPARATIONS ITEM IN THE AGENDA.
09:36:14AM THIS CITY LIKE MOST CITIES ARE ON AUTOMATIC.
09:36:17AM THESE CITY COUNCILS ARE DISTRIBUTORS OF TAX MONEY COLLECTED
09:36:22AM FROM THE MASSES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE DISRESPECTED YEAR AROUND
09:36:27AM UNTIL IT IS ELECTION TIME.
09:36:28AM THE ONLY TIME THESE TALKING HEADS STEP UP TO THE PLATE IS
09:36:32AM WHEN THE GAME IS OVER.
09:36:33AM DID THEY STEP UP TO THE PLATE $150 MILLION PROJECT GOING ON
09:36:39AM BEFORE COUNCIL DISCUSSION?
09:36:40AM NO.
09:36:40AM DID THEY STEP UP TO THE PLATE ON A 18% POLICE PAY INCREASE?
09:36:44AM NO.
09:36:44AM THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH THE INCREASE WAS GOING TO BE.
09:36:48AM THEY SAY 18% AND THEY DON'T TELL THE TAXPAYERS NOTHING.
09:36:52AM DID THEY STEP UP ON THE PLATE ON A $1 BILLION BUDGET THAT
09:36:56AM GOT STUFFED DOWN THE CITY'S VOTE AND NOTHING FOR IT FOR 26 %
09:37:01AM OF THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY?
09:37:02AM NO.
09:37:02AM DID THEY STEP UP TO THE PLATE WHEN POLICE WERE ABUSING THE
09:37:06AM AFRICAN COMMUNITY?
09:37:07AM NO, STEP UP TO THE PLATE TO SOLVE AND RESOLVE ANY REAL
09:37:11AM PROBLEMS INSIDE THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY?
09:37:13AM NO.
09:37:13AM THIS CITY COUNCIL AND ANY OTHER CITY COUNCIL BEFORE IT HAS
09:37:16AM DONE NOT ONE SINGLE THING FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE OR THE AFRICAN
09:37:20AM COMMUNITY AND A REAL HOUSING CRISIS IN CITY AND OTHER
09:37:25AM CITIES.
09:37:25AM NOT A HOUSING CRISIS BUT A GLOBAL, NEW WAVE OF WHITE PEOPLE
09:37:30AM MAN FEST DESTINY.
09:37:32AM MOVING WHITE PEOPLE AND NORMALLY MOVING.INDIANS AND OTHER
09:37:36AM INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OFF OF THEIR LAND, NOW MOVING WHITE
09:37:40AM PEOPLE.
09:37:40AM AND NOW THIS CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO STEP UP AND DO SOMETHING.
09:37:44AM 26% OF THE POPULATION AND WE WANT TO SEE SOME RESULTS.
09:37:47AM THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.
09:37:55AM >> THANK YOU.
09:37:55AM I AM GETTING OLD.
09:37:57AM I NEED TO SIT DOWN.
09:37:58AM RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP ON NOVEMBER 17.
09:38:04AM I NEED EVERYBODY'S VOTE TO GET IT STRAIGHT.
09:38:09AM MISS FEELEY TALKING OF TEXT AMENDMENT.
09:38:13AM WE NEED IT IN WEST TAMPA.
09:38:14AM CHARLIE, 30-YEAR PLAN ON INCINERATOR.
09:38:20AM I WANT TO HEAR THAT VERY CLEAR.
09:38:21AM DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE JEWEL.
09:38:26AM A SUSTAINABLE PLANT.
09:38:27AM IF DONE RIGHT.
09:38:28AM I AM ONE OF THE EXPERTS ON IT.
09:38:30AM COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
09:38:33AM DIDN'T HAVE BACK-UP IN HERE BUT GOT ONE ON ROME YARD.
09:38:39AM HOPEFULLY THIS ONE WILL BE WORTH SOUTH CAROLINA, DON'T KNOW
09:38:43AM YET.
09:38:43AM 16, DPR.
09:38:45AM HMM ... I WILL HOLD MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
09:38:50AM A WHOLE PAGE ABOUT ANY NORTH BUSINESSES.
09:38:52AM THE EXPERT IN THIS AREA ON MINORITY BUSINESS AND NOBODY
09:38:56AM ASKING ME NOTHING.
09:38:57AM AND 17, HANNA.
09:38:59AM APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.
09:39:01AM AIN'T OFF THE GROUND YET.
09:39:04AM LISTEN.
09:39:05AM I COME DOWN HERE AND I WILL BE HERE ALL DAY.
09:39:08AM I DECIDED TO TAKE A DAY AND SIT HERE, OBSERVE AND DOCUMENT,
09:39:12AM FACE TO FACE.
09:39:13AM AND I AIN'T EVEN GOT MY MASK ON BECAUSE I AIN'T WORRIED
09:39:18AM ABOUT COVID BECAUSE IF I GO, I WILL GO.
09:39:20AM LET ME TELL YOU THIS.
09:39:22AM I HAVE BEEN HELPING THIS CITY FOR DECADES.
09:39:25AM EVERYBODY CALLS ME GOOD, BAD, UGLY, THEY HATE ME, ONE THING
09:39:29AM OF JOE ROBINSON, IF I TELL YOU SOMETHING, YOU OUGHT TO DO
09:39:32AM SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
09:39:34AM EVERYBODY LISTENING, THE NAACP, LISTEN.
09:39:39AM SCHOOL BOARD TOO.
09:39:40AM LISTEN.
09:39:41AM I KNOW A LOT AND DO A LOT AND I ASK FOR NOT ONE DIME BACK.
09:39:45AM ZERO.
09:39:46AM I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT AND I GO TO CHURCH EVERY
09:39:50AM SUNDAY, RIGHT.
09:39:50AM GUIDO.
09:39:52AM WHAT I AM SAYING IS I'M HERE TO HELP.
09:39:54AM NOT DESTROY IT.
09:39:56AM THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS WE HAVE A GROWING CITY.
09:39:58AM WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS BEING DESIGNED.
09:40:01AM SO MANY PEOPLE COMING TO TOWN.
09:40:02AM WE HAVE SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT.
09:40:03AM Y'ALL AIN'T GOT ENOUGH TIME ON THE AGENDA TO CARRY THAT.
09:40:06AM THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE AGENDA FOR 20
09:40:09AM MINUTES.
09:40:10AM YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT MORE TIME.
09:40:11AM GOT TO FIGURE OUT MORE TIME TO HANDLE THE BUSINESS OF THE
09:40:14AM CITY.
09:40:15AM THE MOST COMPLEX THIS HAS EVER BEEN.
09:40:17AM WE HAD A REGULAR MICKEY MOUSE BUDGET 20 YEARS AGO.
09:40:20AM WE HAVE A BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
09:40:22AM THINGS ARE GROWING, BUT NOT THE TIME TO SPEND ON THEM.
09:40:25AM I ASK THAT YOU DO SPEND MORE TIME.
09:40:27AM PICK ANOTHER DAY.
09:40:28AM WHATEVER YOU GOT TO DO TO GET THE BACKLOG TAKEN CARE OF, AND
09:40:34AM THEN YOU WILL BE BACK TO NORMAL.
09:40:35AM AS SOON AS YOU GET YOUR BACKLOG DONE -- I HAVE A BUSINESS.
09:40:38AM I DO MY BACKLOG.
09:40:40AM I HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT JANUARY 2023 TO FIND OUT WHAT IS
09:40:44AM GOING ON.
09:40:45AM TELL THE TRUTH.
09:40:46AM AND KEEP EVERYBODY AROUND HERE HAPPY.
09:40:47AM AND LET'S CUT THIS NONSENSE OUT.
09:40:50AM WE WILL BE HERE WITH YOU ALL DAY DOCUMENTING FOR FUTURE
09:40:53AM REFERENCE.
09:40:54AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:40:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:40:55AM ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS --
09:41:06AM >> THANK YOU.
09:41:06AM I AM SORRY I AM OUT OF BREATH BECAUSE I THOUGHT PUBLIC
09:41:10AM COMMENT WAS AT THE END, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS UP -- AT THE
09:41:14AM BEGINNING AND THEN I HEARD MR. SHELBY AS I WAS IN THE CAR
09:41:17AM DRIVING SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE IT AFTER EVERY ITEM.
09:41:21AM SO I AM GOING TO GO NOW BECAUSE I BARELY MADE IT.
09:41:24AM I AM SUSAN SWIFT.
09:41:26AM MY ADDRESS IS 3621 SOUTH HESPERIDES STREET IN TAMPA.
09:41:32AM AND I WILL TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND GET TO MY COMMENTS.
09:41:39AM I'M HERE ABOUT THE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
09:41:42AM SO I AM GOING TO BUNDLE MY COMMENTS HERE.
09:41:47AM I THINK I HAVE AN UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS AND
09:41:54AM QUALIFICATIONS.
09:41:55AM I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AS A CERTIFIED PLANNER AND A
09:41:58AM RESIDENT AND HOMEOWNER OF THE CITY.
09:42:01AM THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ME SHOULD KNOW I WAS THE ZONING DIRECTOR
09:42:11AM FOR THE CITY FOR 20 YEARS IN THE '80s AND '90s AND I OPENED THE
09:42:16AM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CENTER, AND I WROTE MUCH OF THE ZONING
09:42:24AM CODE WHICH ADMITTEDLY HAD GREAT AND NOT-SO-GREAT CHANGES
09:42:30AM FROM THAT EDITION OF IT.
09:42:32AM I FEEL SO STRONGLY OF SOME OF THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT ARE
09:42:36AM PROPOSED TODAY THAT I ACTUALLY TOOK THE DAY A YOU HAVE TO
09:42:39AM SPEAK IN PERSON TODAY.
09:42:41AM AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY BREATHING.
09:42:43AM AND I ALSO OFFER IN ADVANCE TO MEET REQUEST ANY OF YOU TO
09:42:50AM DISCUSS THE DRAFTS OF THESE IN MORE DETAIL AND THE
09:42:56AM IMPLICATIONS THEY HAVE ON THE GROUND WHEN APPLIED.
09:42:59AM THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE GREAT CONCEPTS, BUT AS WRITTEN
09:43:06AM AND PERHAPS UNENFORCEABLE IN SOME CASES.
09:43:10AM EITHER WAY, I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO CREATE SOME
09:43:15AM UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE VERY SERIOUS AND WILL
09:43:18AM ACTUALLY RUIN THE CHARACTER OF SOME OF OUR WONDERFUL
09:43:22AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:43:25AM I HEARD SOME ITEMS WERE REMOVED.
09:43:27AM I COULDN'T KEEP TRACK OF WHAT THEY WERE.
09:43:30AM SO I AM GOING TO TELL YOU BY TITLE, NOT NUMBER, WHICH ONES I
09:43:36AM AM SPEAKING ON TODAY.
09:43:37AM AND I HAVE OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHERS, BUT
09:43:41AM THESE ARE THE THREE THAT I FIND MOST IMPORTANT.
09:43:45AM AND MY -- MY BIGGEST -- THOSE ARE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING
09:43:51AM UNITS, MULTIFAMILY, AND TOWNHOUSES IN ALL COMMERCIAL
09:43:57AM DISTRICTS AND ARTERIAL AND COLLECTORS WHICH -- AND I WILL
09:44:01AM ALSO PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS, BUT AS I SAID, I FEEL REALLY
09:44:05AM STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.
09:44:06AM THERE ARE -- THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, I THINK -- WELL,
09:44:12AM ALL OF THEM, I THINK THESE THREE ARE MAJOR CHANGES IN POLICY
09:44:17AM THAT WARRANT BEING IN THE PLAN UPDATE NOT -- NOT PRESENTED
09:44:23AM AS TWEAKS TO THE ZONING CODE.
09:44:25AM AND THOSE ARE THOSE THREE THAT I MENTIONED: ACCESSORY
09:44:29AM DWELLING UNITS AND THE OTHER TWO.
09:44:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS MORE.
09:44:33AM >> THANK YOU.
09:44:34AM AND THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS I WILL GET TO.
09:44:37AM DOUBLES THE DENSITY IN THESE THREE AREAS OF THE CITY.
09:44:41AM I AM NOT SURE QUESTION A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IF THIS LITTLE
09:44:44AM TWEAK WILL DO THAT.
09:44:45AM THE NUMBER OF LOTS, SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS THAT WILL NOW HAVE
09:44:50AM TWO, I WOULD ASK YOU TO ASK HOW MANY LOTS THERE ARE IN THESE
09:44:54AM THREE -- IT IS BASICALLY A THIRD OF THE CITY.
09:44:57AM SO WE ARE DOUBLING THE DENSITY IN A THIRD OF THE CITY.
09:45:00AM IT'S -- THE -- HAVING NO PARKING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
09:45:06AM ARBITRARY -- THE ARBITRARY NUMBERS.
09:45:09AM THEY SEEM ARBITRARY TO ME.
09:45:12AM NO PARKING FOR SMALL UNITS.
09:45:15AM WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK.
09:45:16AM WE DON'T HAVE GOOD TRANSIT.
09:45:18AM SAME THING FOR 900-SQUARE-FOOT UNITS.
09:45:21AM THERE IS NO WRITTEN PART OF THIS THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE A
09:45:26AM GARAGE AND AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND A SWIMMING POOL
09:45:29AM AND THIS AND THAT ON A 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT OR
09:45:36AM 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT.
09:45:37AM WE HAVE STORMWATER PROBLEMS IN TAMPA THE MOST EGREGIOUS IT
09:45:42AM ALLOWS ADUs AND NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, SOMETHING THAT
09:45:46AM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING DECADES FOR A NONCONFORMING
09:45:49AM STRUCTURE TO GO AWAY, NOW PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE
09:45:52AM IT A UNIT AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT.
09:45:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
09:45:56AM >> THANK YOU.
09:45:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
09:45:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: INTERESTING POINT WAS RAISED WITH REGARD TO
09:46:02AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:46:03AM AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO
09:46:07AM ADDRESS THIS WORKSHOP.
09:46:08AM WE HAVE MULTIPLE ITEMS ALL BEING HEARD AT THE SAME TIME WITH
09:46:13AM REGARDS HOW YOU WISH TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:46:15AM NORMALLY THREE MINUTES AT THE END OF EACH AGENDA ITEM FOR
09:46:18AM THE WORKSHOP.
09:46:19AM HOW DOES COUNCIL WISH TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY OTHER
09:46:24AM THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE FRONT?
09:46:27AM I JUST WOULD LIKE SOME DIRECTION.
09:46:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS -- WHAT YOU HAD
09:46:31AM TOLD ME YESTERDAY HOW THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE HAD POSTED
09:46:34AM THIS.
09:46:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT I TALKED TO YOU YESTERDAY WAS REQUEST
09:46:37AM REGARD TO TUESDAY'S SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP.
09:46:40AM THIS WORKSHOP ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE THE NOTICE IN FRONT OF
09:46:48AM ME.
09:46:49AM I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS NOTICED.
09:46:50AM BUT WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED THAT YOU COMBINE ITEMS,
09:46:54AM HOW DOES THAT AFFECT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC TO SPEAK
09:46:58AM AT YOUR WORKSHOP SINCE YOU ARE FORMULATING PUBLIC POLICY AT
09:47:01AM THIS TIME BASED ON INPUT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE
09:47:04AM OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE TO SPEAK.
09:47:06AM I WANT IT TO BE CLEAR SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC KNOW
09:47:12AM THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
09:47:13AM I KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN GETTING LETTER FROM PEOPLE
09:47:17AM RELATIVE TO SOME OF THESE ITEMS, BUT IN TERMS OF KNOWING HOW
09:47:23AM TO PROCEED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS WORKSHOP.
09:47:25AM I WOULD LIKE CLARITY FOR PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC'S EDUCATION.
09:47:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL?
09:47:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ONLINE.
09:47:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS JUST ASKED THAT.
09:47:40AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:47:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, BUT HAVEN'T
09:47:45AM WE RECENTLY BEEN ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SPEAK TO EACH ITEM.
09:47:49AM AND THEN IF WE ARE BUNDLING A BUNCH OF THEM TOGETHER, I
09:47:52AM GUESS THEY HAVE TO SPEAK AT ONE TIME.
09:47:54AM PART OF MY QUESTION IS, THE PREVIOUS QUESTION OR --
09:47:58AM QUESTIONER SPOKE TO THREE OF THE ITEMS.
09:48:00AM WHAT DO WE DO -- DOES SHE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK TO THE OTHER
09:48:03AM ITEMS ALSO SHE DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT?
09:48:06AM OR IS SHE JUST USED HER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
09:48:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE QUESTION.
09:48:10AM SHE INDICATED SHE TOOK THE DAY OFF TO BE HERE.
09:48:12AM AND I DON'T -- I CAN TELL YOU WHAT COUNCIL'S STATED RULES
09:48:16AM ARE.
09:48:16AM I HAVE ASKED THIS COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES FOR AN OPPORTUNITY
09:48:19AM TO HAVE A WORKSHOP PERHAPS -- NOT A WORKSHOP, BUT A SPECIAL
09:48:23AM DISCUSSION MEETING IN THE SISTER CITIES ROOM OR MASCOT ROOM
09:48:28AM TO TALK OF THESE THINGS OFF LINE IF WE CAN.
09:48:31AM NOTICE PUBLIC MEETING.
09:48:33AM BUT I NEED TO BE CLEAR NOW THAT WHEN A -- WHEN A MEMO COMES
09:48:37AM IN FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ASKING THAT THESE ITEMS BE
09:48:40AM BUNDLED, DOES THAT THEN TAKE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE,
09:48:44AM SIX, SEVEN ITEMS AND COMBINE THEM TO AT THAT YOU CAN TO
09:48:48AM COUNCIL FOR THREE MINUTES AT THE START OF THE MEETING.
09:48:50AM THAT IS WHAT I NEED TO KNOW FOR CLARIFICATION.
09:48:54AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST SAY THAT FOLKS HAVE TO SPEAK TO
09:48:58AM IT THE BUNDLED ITEM TOGETHER.
09:49:00AM I ASSUME THAT WOULD MEAN THREE MINUTES.
09:49:03AM BUT IF WE WANTED TO, WE CAN GIVE THEM FOUR, BECAUSE
09:49:06AM OTHERWISE THREE MINUTES EACH.
09:49:07AM BUT TO THE -- TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
09:49:10AM I WOULD SAY IF -- IF WE HAVE ITEMS OTHER THAN THE THREE SHE
09:49:14AM SPOKE TO JUST LIKE WE WOULD NORMALLY, SHE WOULD HAVE A RIGHT
09:49:17AM TO SPEAK TO ALL THE OTHER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY.
09:49:19AM AND THE BUNDLE ONES SHE DIDN'T SPEAK TO, SHE WOULD HAVE THE
09:49:24AM RIGHT TO SPEAK AGAIN AND SAME THING FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
09:49:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION, MR. SHELBY.
09:49:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
09:49:31AM I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW WHAT
09:49:34AM THE EXISTING RULES ARE.
09:49:35AM THE SUBJECT CHANGED.
09:49:36AM COUNCIL' RULES AND COUNCIL'S MEETING.
09:49:40AM SUBJECT MATTER CAN BE TAKEN UP TO 30 MINUTES AT THE END OF
09:49:43AM EACH WORKSHOP ITEM, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
09:49:47AM NO OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE MATTER WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE
09:49:50AM WORKSHOP SHOULD CAN TAKEN DURING OR AFTER A WORKSHOP UNLESS
09:49:53AM THE PUBLIC IS SAY FORKED AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT PRIOR TO
09:49:56AM ACTION.
09:49:57AM AND THAT IS, AGAIN, SUBJECT TO REVISION, BUT THAT IS FOR
09:50:00AM ANOTHER DAY.
09:50:01AM BUT I WANTED TO BE CLEAR FOR TODAY'S WORKSHOP HOW TO HANDLE
09:50:05AM IT.
09:50:06AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE.
09:50:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MY OPINION SINCE WE ARE BUNDLING THEM ALL
09:50:10AM TOGETHER, THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WISH TO SPEAK
09:50:13AM TO THEM CAN SPEAK TO THEM AFTER WE HAVE DISCUSSED ALL THAT
09:50:16AM ARE BUNDLED TOGETHER AND THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN SEPARATE
09:50:20AM WHICH ONES THEY WISH TO SPEAK TO.
09:50:22AM COUNCIL MIRANDA.
09:50:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THIS.
09:50:29AM THE PUBLIC ARE LISTENING TO US AND SAYING, WHAT ARE THEY
09:50:33AM TALKING ABOUT.
09:50:33AM IS IT ALL THE SAME ITEM OR ALL THE ONES WE TOOK OFF THAT
09:50:37AM WILL BE UNDER ONE.
09:50:38AM ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT AND 15
09:50:42AM TOGETHER.
09:50:42AM WE HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR 50 MINUTES AND NOT ONE ITEM YET ON
09:50:47AM THE AGENDA.
09:50:48AM THAT IS FINE WITH ME; HOWEVER, WE COULD HAVE DONE ONE, THREE
09:50:52AM AND FOUR MORE LIKELY THAN NOW AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN A THIRD
09:50:55AM OF A WAY WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO.
09:50:57AM BUT INSTEAD WE ARE TALKING OF THE PROCESS AND THE CLARITY OF
09:51:00AM SOME ITEM THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED.
09:51:02AM SO THE PUBLIC IS HEAR.
09:51:04AM THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON CERTAIN ITEM.
09:51:06AM MAYBE ONE OF THOSE OR NONE OF THOSE.
09:51:08AM MAYBE ALL TOGETHER BUT I BELIEVE THEY ARE ENTITLED TO SPEAK
09:51:15AM ON EACH ITEM.
09:51:19AM THEY ARE THE PUBLIC.
09:51:20AM THEY ARE NOT USED TO WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE.
09:51:22AM TO HEAR ITEM ONE, THREE, FOUR INDIVIDUALLY AND LISTEN TO
09:51:26AM WHAT WE ARE SAYING SO NO MISTAKE WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT
09:51:29AM WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
09:51:34AM TAKE IT ONE AT A TIME AND STOP THIS STUFF AND KEEP GOING.
09:51:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS
09:51:42AM ONLINE.
09:51:44AM LET'S GET -- LET'S FINISH OUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN I AM
09:51:48AM GOING TO ASK COUNCIL IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE EVERYTHING
09:51:52AM SEPARATELY.
09:51:53AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: MAY I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT.
09:51:56AM THE BUNDLING IS FOR US TO PUT THE SUBJECT MATTER TOGETHER.
09:52:00AM NOT FOR US TO NOT HEAR THE PUBLIC.
09:52:03AM EACH ITEM IS A SEPARATE ITEM AND WILL BE PRESENTED THAT WAY.
09:52:06AM YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND SHOULD TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT
09:52:10AM AFTER EACH ONE OF THE ITEMS.
09:52:12AM WE ARE JUST PUTTING ALL THE SUBJECT MATTER ITEMS TOGETHER.
09:52:16AM THANK YOU.
09:52:16AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:52:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHO DO WE HAVE ONLINE?
09:52:40AM IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH ONLINE?
09:52:42AM MR. RANDOLPH.
09:52:43AM >> YES.
09:52:45AM HOW IS EVERYBODY TODAY.
09:52:47AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH, AND I AM FROM THE WEST
09:52:52AM TAMPA CAC.
09:52:52AM I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING THAT
09:52:55AM IS COMING UP, AND IT AFFECTS ALL OF US.
09:52:58AM THE TITLE OF THE MEETING IS "REDUCING STREET VIOLENCE: A
09:53:03AM NATIONAL APPROACH."
09:53:04AM THE SUBTITLE IS "HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND ECONOMIC I
09:53:08AM DEVELOPMENT: DETECTING THE DOTS TOGETHER."
09:53:12AM BRINGING TOGETHER VENDORS, INVESTORS, BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT,
09:53:17AM PRIVATE SECTOR, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
09:53:19AM THE MEETING IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSING FROM COMMUNITIES
09:53:24AM AROUND THE NATION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN THEIR
09:53:27AM COMMUNITY TO REDUCE VIOLENCE.
09:53:29AM AS YOU KNOW IN BALTIMORE RIGHT NOW, CITY -- AROUND THE
09:53:34AM NATION CITIES ARE MEETING IN BALTIMORE TO TALK ABOUT THE
09:53:37AM PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
09:53:41AM THE AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL BE
09:53:43AM ATTENDING BECAUSE THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THE MODEL THAT WE
09:53:46AM ARE DOING.
09:53:46AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WILL BE TALKING OF THE ROME YARD
09:53:51AM DEAL.
09:53:51AM MADE IT TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT WITH WEST TAMPA CAC.
09:53:55AM WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE -- THE FLORIDA
09:54:00AM DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN PARTNERSHIP WITH WEST TAMPA
09:54:03AM TO CREATE OVER 100 JOBS.
09:54:04AM WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE WEST TAMPA TECHNOLOGY
09:54:11AM CENTER AND JOB CREATION CENTER AND TO HAVE PEOPLE TALK OF
09:54:15AM THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
09:54:16AM AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS AVAILABLE
09:54:20AM FOR RESIDENTS AND COMMERCIALS THAT PEOPLE CAN GET GRANTS IN
09:54:25AM THE CAC AREA.
09:54:26AM AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
09:54:29AM REPRESENTATIVES FROM LOCAL, REGIONAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
09:54:32AM TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE
09:54:34AM COMMUNITY.
09:54:39AM SO IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF VIOLENCE IN OUR
09:54:42AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:54:42AM THIS MEETING ADDRESSES THAT NOT AS A PROBLEM BUT AS A
09:54:48AM SOLUTION.
09:54:48AM AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO ATTEND THAT MEETING.
09:54:52AM YOU WILL BE SURPRISE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AROUND THE NATION
09:54:55AM TO REDUCE VIOLENCE IN SOME OF THE MOST DRUG-INFESTED AND
09:54:59AM THUG-INFESTED COMMUNITY IN OUR NATION.
09:55:01AM THAT MEETING WILL BE ON THE 31st, WHICH IS MONDAY.
09:55:05AM YOU CAN E-MAIL US AT WESTTAMPACDC@GMAIL.COM.
09:55:14AM FOLKS, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE VIOLENCE IN OUR
09:55:16AM CITY.
09:55:17AM DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER IS INSANITY.
09:55:21AM WE GOT TO THINK OUT THE BOX.
09:55:23AM THANK YOU.
09:55:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:55:25AM YES, MA'AM.
09:55:33AM >>CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
09:55:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DOES SHE WANT TO SPEAK TO EACH AGENDA ITEM?
09:55:42AM >>CLERK: THAT WAS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:55:46AM PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
09:55:48AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
09:55:50AM >> THIS IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
09:55:52AM I WANT TO SPEAK AT THE THAT THE TEXT AMENDMENTS WERE
09:55:55AM ADDRESSED.
09:55:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:55:58AM LET'S GO WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1 PLEASE.
09:56:02AM FILE NUMBER E-22-8, CHAPTER 27.
09:56:13AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:56:15AM ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
09:56:18AM I DON'T WANT MISS SWIFT TO MISS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE
09:56:21AM HAVING, SO WE ARE HERE TODAY ON ITEMS 1, 3 -- SORRY, 1, 3,
09:56:34AM 4, 5, 6, 7 AND 8.
09:56:37AM THOSE ARE ALL TEXT AMENDMENT ITEMS.
09:56:39AM AS MISS TRAVIS STATED WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT EACH ITEM
09:56:43AM INDEPENDENTLY.
09:56:43AM THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN TRAVELING TOGETHER IN FRONT OF YOU
09:56:47AM SINCE THE JUNE 23 WORKSHOP WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THEM TO YOU
09:56:50AM IN CONCEPT AND SAID TO YOU, COUNCIL, THESE ARE THE THINGS
09:56:55AM THAT WE LIKE TO WORK ON AND WENT THROUGH ALL OF THEM AND WHY
09:56:59AM WE WERE DOING THEM AND SAID TO YOU, IF WE HAVE YOUR APPROVAL
09:57:02AM TODAY, WHAT WE WILL DO IS, WE WILL GET STARTED NOW ON
09:57:04AM ACTUALLY WRITING THE TEXT FOR THESE.
09:57:07AM I SENT A MEMO ON SEPTEMBER 15 WITH THE ACTUAL TEXT.
09:57:13AM THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THESE CHANGES.
09:57:15AM WE HAD A PUBLIC INFORMATION WORKSHOP LAST WEEK.
09:57:18AM THAT INFORMATION WORKSHOP WENT WENT FOR ALMOST FOUR HOURS.
09:57:22AM WE TOOK EACH ITEM INDEPENDENTLY.
09:57:25AM WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC INDEPENDENTLY ON EACH OF THOSE
09:57:28AM ITEMS.
09:57:28AM MISS POYNOR, MISS SWIFT WAS IN ATTENDANCE.
09:57:33AM WE HAD -- I BELIEVE WE HAD 93 REGISTERED AND 57 ATTENDED
09:57:38AM THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION WORKSHOP.
09:57:42AM NOW WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK BECOME THROUGH THOSE ITEMS
09:57:45AM WITH YOU AGAIN.
09:57:46AM AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
09:57:48AM I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
09:57:51AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:57:58AM I WILL DRIVE.
09:57:58AM CAN I DRIVE?
09:58:00AM YES, I CAN.
09:58:00AM OKAY.
09:58:01AM SO JUST TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND WHICH I JUST
09:58:06AM DID.
09:58:07AM WE WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT.
09:58:09AM WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE AMENDMENTS AND A SUMMARY OF
09:58:12AM THE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING THAT WE CONDUCTED AND WE WILL
09:58:16AM TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN PROCESS, SCHEDULE AND TIMELINE
09:58:20AM AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
09:58:21AM HERE YOU WILL SEE THE AGENDA ITEM OVER ON THE LEFT.
09:58:25AM AS I JUST MENTIONED.
09:58:27AM AND THE CODE SECTION THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED BY THAT AGENDA
09:58:31AM ITEM AND THE SUBJECT AREA THAT IS RELATED TO EACH OF THOSE.
09:58:38AM WE WILL TAKE EACH OF THOSE INDEPENDENTLY.
09:58:40AM ONE ITEM, THE LAST ITEM SHOWN THERE, THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY
09:58:44AM DISTRICT.
09:58:45AM THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION OF THE ALLEYS WITH THE CHANGE OF THE
09:58:49AM "SHALL" AND THE "MAY" BACK A WHILE AGO.
09:58:52AM STEVEN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH WEST TAMPA ON THAT.
09:58:57AM WE DID HAVE A TEXT CHANGE FOR THAT.
09:58:59AM UNFORTUNATELY, THAT TEXT CHANGE WAS NOT NOTICED FOR TODAY.
09:59:04AM SO IT IS IN THE PRESENTATION.
09:59:08AM WE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT IN CONCEPT TODAY AND WE WERE
09:59:11AM GOING TO ASK FOR NOVEMBER 17, BUT SINCE IT WAS NOT ON THE
09:59:14AM AGENDA TODAY, WE DID NOT WANT TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT.
09:59:17AM BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CONTINUES TRAVELING
09:59:20AM BECAUSE THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
09:59:23AM IF YOU MAY RECALL WITH A CHANGE THAT HAPPENED THAT SAID, NEW
09:59:29AM CONSTRUCTION MAY ACCESS AN ALLEY AND NOW IT SAYS "SHALL" AND
09:59:36AM WE WERE HAVING PEOPLE COME IN AND ASK FOR DESIGN EXCEPTIONS
09:59:39AM TO NOT ACCESS THE ALLEY.
09:59:40AM YOU MIGHT RECALL ONE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK WHERE
09:59:43AM ALL THE DRIVEWAYS FACE THE STREET AND THE NEW CODE WAS
09:59:46AM REQUIRING THEM TO THEN ACCESS VIA THE ALLEY AND IT HAD
09:59:50AM STARTED OTHER DISCUSSION.
09:59:51AM SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
09:59:53AM BUT THAT IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.
09:59:55AM AND, AGAIN, I WILL TAKE THE MEA CULPA AND ASK FOR THAT ON
10:00:01AM NOVEMBER 17 BECAUSE IT WAS NOT PROPERLY NOTICED FOR TODAY'S
10:00:05AM HEARING.
10:00:07AM AS I MENTIONED TO YOU THE JULY 2022 AMENDMENT CYCLE, IT HAS
10:00:11AM 12 CHANGES.
10:00:13AM WE CAME TO YOU IN CONCEPT ON JUNE 23.
10:00:18AM WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT WHY ARE WE DOING THIS.
10:00:21AM HOW DOES THIS WORK.
10:00:22AM AS WE TALK ABOUT EACH ONE, WE WILL GIVE A BRIEF -- A BRIEF
10:00:26AM REFRESHER ON WHERE WE WERE ON THAT.
10:00:27AM WE PROVIDED THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN A MEMO.
10:00:31AM AN MEMO THAT HAD AN EXHIBIT WITH STRIKE-THROUGH UNDERLINE
10:00:37AM FOR YOU BACK IN MID-SET OF.
10:00:38AM I CAME TO YOU AND SAID I SENT YOU GUY THIS MEMO.
10:00:42AM SENDING YOU THE LANGUAGE TODAY.
10:00:44AM WE WILL COME BACK IN OCTOBER AND TALK ABOUT THIS THEN.
10:00:47AM I WANTED TO GIVE THE PUBLIC TIME.
10:00:49AM I WANTED TO GIVE YOU TIME.
10:00:50AM I WANTED TO GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO LOOK AT THAT.
10:00:53AM AND WE HELD THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
10:00:56AM WE ALSO DID GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A BRIEFING.
10:00:59AM WE HAVE NOT GONE FOR HEARING.
10:01:00AM THAT HEARING WILL BE MONDAY OF NEXT WEEK DEPENDING ON THE
10:01:04AM ACTION YOU TAKE TODAY AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES AND HANDLE
10:01:10AM THAT ACCORDINGLY.
10:01:11AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.
10:01:14AM THIS WAS THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
10:01:17AM THIS FIRST STEP WAS JUST ADDRESSING PUBLIC NOTICE FOR
10:01:23AM SETBACKS.
10:01:24AM RIGHT NOW IF YOU COME BACK FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION ANYWHERE
10:01:29AM IN THE CITY THAT IS NOT IN AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, YOU PROVIDE
10:01:33AM PUBLIC NOTICE.
10:01:34AM THIS CHANGE WILL NOW REQUIRE THAT IF YOU ARE IN AN OVERLAY
10:01:42AM AND COMING IN FOR A SETBACK REDUCTION YOU WILL BE REQUIRED
10:01:46AM TO GIVE PUBLIC NOTICE.
10:01:48AM AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE CODE AND BROUGHT UP BY MISS SANCHEZ
10:01:55AM IN A OVERLAY IF YOU ARE DOING A SETBACK REDUCTION, NOBODY IS
10:01:59AM GETTING NOTICED.
10:01:59AM WE SAID YOU ARE CORRECT.
10:02:01AM HERE WE ARE.
10:02:02AM WE WANT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE IF YOU ARE DOING THE SETBACK
10:02:06AM REDUCTION IN ANY OF THE OVERLAYS, EAST TAMPA, WEST COMPANY,
10:02:09AM KENNEDY BOULEVARD OVERLAY, WEST SHORE OVERLAY AND COMING IN
10:02:13AM ADMINISTRATIVELY FOR THAT REQUEST, YOU WILL NOW PROVIDE
10:02:19AM PUBLIC NOTICE.
10:02:21AM WITH 27-49, THE GENERAL NOTICE.
10:02:25AM THE 250 FEET AND THE MAILING AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY
10:02:28AM OWNERS WILL BE NOTIFIED.
10:02:30AM THAT IS THE FIRST CHANGE BEFORE YOU TODAY ITEM NUMBER 1.
10:02:40AM IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO
10:02:45AM ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:02:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC
10:02:49AM COMMENT?
10:02:50AM >> JOE ROBINSON.
10:02:52AM WEST TAMPA.
10:02:54AM AND VICE-CHAIR OF THE WEST TAMPA CDC ON THIS ONE.
10:02:58AM I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS.
10:03:01AM SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
10:03:02AM WE FOUND THIS OUT WHEN WE WERE GETTING THE SO-CALLED GOOD
10:03:06AM NEIGHBOR NOTICES, AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP THAT
10:03:12AM WE WEREN'T GETTING THESE DESIGN REVIEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE
10:03:15AM ADMINISTRATIVELY PRETTY MUCH.
10:03:16AM THIS WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND GIVE BETTER NOTICE.
10:03:19AM GOT TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE MONEY IF YOU WANT TO GET NOTICE
10:03:22AM OUT, BUT IT IS WELL WORTH IT ONCE AGAIN.
10:03:24AM THANKS FOR MAKING THIS CHANGE.
10:03:27AM LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
10:03:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO
10:03:32AM MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:03:33AM MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU ONLINE?
10:03:39AM MISS POYNOR?
10:03:47AM MISS SWIFT, YOU ARE HERE IN CHAMBERS.
10:03:49AM DID YOU WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THIS AGENDA ITEM?
10:03:54AM >> NO, THANK YOU.
10:03:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE?
10:04:05AM MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE?
10:04:09AM >> I'M HERE NOW.
10:04:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS POYNOR.
10:04:13AM >> I SUPPORT THIS.
10:04:14AM I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.
10:04:15AM I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE REST OF THE
10:04:18AM CODE.
10:04:18AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. COTTON FOR BRINGING THIS
10:04:21AM FORWARD.
10:04:21AM THANK YOU.
10:04:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU THERE?
10:04:33AM >> HI, CARROLL ANNE bENNET.
10:04:35AM I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF
10:04:39AM FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
10:04:40AM THIS IS A GREAT CHANGE.
10:04:41AM THANK YOU.
10:04:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:04:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT CLARITY, THIS IS THE ONLY THING
10:04:48AM THAT NUMBER ONE IS ABOUT?
10:04:53AM >> YES, SIR.
10:04:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TALKS ABOUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND
10:04:56AM ALLOWING SINGLE-FAMILY WINDY MULTIFAMILY TO BE PERMITTED AND
10:05:01AM DISTRICTS AND SO FORTH.
10:05:02AM THAT IS NOT HERE?
10:05:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT IS NOT THIS ITEM, NO, SIR.
10:05:06AM IT IS ON OUR AGENDA BUT NOT ITEM NUMBER 1.
10:05:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH MUCH.
10:05:12AM I APPRECIATE IT.
10:05:13AM >> I HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND.
10:05:17AM I AGREE WITH THIS.
10:05:18AM DO YOU NEED A MOTION AFTER THE DISCUSSION THAT WE MOVED
10:05:22AM FORWARD WITH THIS.
10:05:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO SAY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
10:05:30AM THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTS.
10:05:32AM IT MAKES SENSE.
10:05:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE HE WILL WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
10:05:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE FORWARD ON THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN
10:05:41AM EXCEPTIONS REGARDING THE SETBACK REDUCTION REQUEST AND
10:05:44AM PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
10:05:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
10:05:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
10:05:53AM GUDES.
10:05:53AM ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
10:05:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:06:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:06:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:06:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:06:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:06:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:06:11AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:06:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:06:15AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.
10:06:16AM IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK PLEASE.
10:06:17AM THE NEXT ITEM AGENDA ITEM 3 AS JUST MENTIONED.
10:06:27AM THE CODIFICATION OF THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS.
10:06:31AM THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS HAS BEEN IN PROCESS FOR A
10:06:35AM WHILE.
10:06:35AM THERE HAS BEEN A PLACEHOLDER IN THE CODE FOR THE
10:06:38AM CODIFICATION OF THE PROCESS BUT THE PROCESS WAS NEVER
10:06:42AM CODIFIED.
10:06:42AM THIS IS THIS SECTION THAT TAKES A PROCESS WE HAVE BEEN DOING
10:06:45AM NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
10:06:47AM WHEN THE DOWNTOWN CODE WAS UPDATED TO BE A FORM-BASED TYPE
10:06:53AM CODE.
10:06:53AM IT HAD AN MOTHER'S DAY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WHEN A PROJECT
10:06:57AM COMES THROUGH TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE FORM-BASED
10:07:00AM OBJECTIVES.
10:07:01AM THIS NOW CODIFIES THAT CODE SECTION AND INDICATES WHAT ARE
10:07:05AM THE REQUIREMENTS.
10:07:06AM WHAT DO YOU NEED TO PROVIDE.
10:07:07AM HOW IS THAT BEING PROVIDED.
10:07:09AM AND TALKS TO THE REVIEW PROCESS AND ANY APPEAL TO THAT
10:07:14AM PROCESS.
10:07:16AM THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:07:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO
10:07:22AM WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 3, FILE NUMBER E2022-8-CHAPTER 27.
10:07:30AM >> JOE ROBINSON, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:07:32AM SINCE I MIGHT BE GETTING PROPERTY DOWNTOWN.
10:07:35AM THIS IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME VACANT LOTS
10:07:39AM DOWNTOWN.
10:07:39AM AND WHAT WE NEED IN THE CITY, YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING
10:07:42AM TODAY.
10:07:42AM YOU ARE GETTING THIS THING TOGETHER.
10:07:44AM YOU ARE CODIFYING IT.
10:07:46AM BACK WHEN CHARLIE WAS AROUND, YOU KNOW, THIS STUFF WAS LIKE
10:07:50AM WALK OVER HERE AND DO THAT.
10:07:52AM BUT THIS WILL MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY COMING INTO TOWN,
10:07:56AM DOWNTOWN, THAT YOU ARE PART OF A CODE, YOU HAVE AN APPEAL
10:07:58AM RIGHT AND YOU CAN DO THAT.
10:07:59AM SO THIS IS JUST CLEANING UP, YOU KNOW, AND MAKING THINGS
10:08:03AM MORE TRANSPARENT.
10:08:04AM THIS IS A TRANSPARENCY MOVE AND LET'S EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT
10:08:09AM THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ARE.
10:08:11AM DEFINITELY WE SUPPORT IT.
10:08:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:08:14AM I DO NOT SEE ANYBODY ONLINE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
10:08:18AM ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:08:19AM ANY COUNCILMEMBERS?
10:08:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS LONG AS IT
10:08:26AM IS NOT ANY NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE BEING ADDED.
10:08:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS FEELEY, DO YOU NEED A MOTION?
10:08:32AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, PLEASE.
10:08:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION.
10:08:34AM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
10:08:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL TO VOTE.
10:08:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:08:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:08:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:08:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:08:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:08:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:08:53AM MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO BEING
10:08:59AM ABSENT AT VOTE.
10:09:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:09:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:09:06AM ABBYE FEELEY.
10:09:08AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 IS ALSO IN CONCEPT A CODE CLEANUP.
10:09:13AM SORRY.
10:09:13AM THERE ARE -- A RECENTLY PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT
10:09:19AM DONE BY MR. MICHELINI ADDRESSED TOWN HOME DESIGN.
10:09:22AM AND THIS TALKED ABOUT ALLOWING RESIDENCES TO FACE INTERIOR
10:09:29AM COURTS RATHER THAN STREETS RIGHT-OF-WAY.
10:09:32AM YOU SEE THIS A LOT IN A LOT OF PDs.
10:09:36AM MOST FAMILIAR ARE THE LETTER CASHIERS THAT CAME RECENTLY.
10:09:41AM TWO PLACES IN THE CODE WHERE THESE TOWN HOME DESIGN
10:09:45AM STANDARDS EXIST.
10:09:45AM ONE IS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DESIGNED ATTACHED STANDARDS.
10:09:52AM FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES.
10:09:54AM THE SECOND IS FOR MULTIFAMILY TOWN HOME STYLE.
10:09:58AM THOSE ARE RENTALS WHEN NOT PLATTED.
10:10:00AM MR. MICHELINI'S AMENDMENT CHANGED ONE OF THOSE TWO, BUT NOT
10:10:03AM THE OTHER.
10:10:04AM SO STAFF WAS MAKING THIS CHANGE IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE
10:10:10AM CODE WAS CONSISTENT FOR EITHER RENTAL TYPE TOWN HOME OR FEE
10:10:15AM OWNERSHIP TOWN HOME IN TERMS OF DESIGN.
10:10:17AM THAT IS ALL THAT THIS AMENDMENT IS DOING.
10:10:20AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:10:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T SUPPORT THIS.
10:10:30AM I DON'T THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.
10:10:32AM IF WE DON'T MAKE THEM -- MAKE DEVELOPERS FOCUS ON THE
10:10:35AM STREET, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
10:10:36AM SO NOT ONLY DO I NOT LIKE THIS.
10:10:38AM I DON'T BELIEVE I WAS THERE FOR THAT OTHER AMENDMENT.
10:10:41AM SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT ONE BACK.
10:10:43AM THAT IS MY PERSONAL STANCE ON THIS.
10:10:45AM I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS AT ALL.
10:10:47AM PEOPLE WHO HAVE TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED,
10:10:52AM DEVELOPERS JUST NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING THEM FIT
10:10:55AM IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF JUST SHOVE IN ON A LOT.
10:11:01AM IF WE ALLOW THIS, THEN WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SHOVE
10:11:04AM THINGS IN ON A LOT.
10:11:05AM AND I JUST DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT AND EXACTLY WHAT I AM
10:11:09AM HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC.
10:11:10AM EVERYONE IS SAYING ABSOLUTELY NOT.
10:11:19AM WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE STREET FACING AND INTERACTION WITH THE
10:11:22AM STREET.
10:11:22AM NOW WHAT THAT MIGHT REQUIRE IS CHANGE -- I KNOW A LOT OF
10:11:26AM THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR GREEN SPACE AND
10:11:35AM I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
10:11:37AM IF WE ARE ADDING TOWN HOMES AND DENSITY, I THINK GREEN SPACE
10:11:40AM -- THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN PUTTING THEM IN LOOKS WRONG.
10:11:43AM IT DOESN'T FIT.
10:11:44AM IF YOU LOOK ON FLORIDA AVENUE MOST RECENTLY, THERE IS SOME
10:11:48AM DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF FLORIBRASKA THEY PUT SEVEN MAGNOLIA
10:11:56AM NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
10:11:56AM AYE, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO DIE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE
10:11:59AM ENOUGH SPACE, BUT NO CONNECTIVITY TO THAT STREET.
10:12:02AM HOW DO WE WORK ON THAT?
10:12:03AM HOW DO WE CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN OR THE GREEN SPACE,
10:12:08AM RATHER, SO THAT THOSE CAN FACE THE STREET MORE WELCOMINGLY,
10:12:13AM MORE CLOSE TO THE STREET MAYBE.
10:12:15AM JUST LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO
10:12:19AM CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE.
10:12:20AM PEOPLE MOSTLY HATE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST NOT
10:12:24AM CONNECTING.
10:12:24AM I THINK WE CAN DO -- I THINK WE CAN ALL DO A BETTER JOB.
10:12:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:12:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SUPPORT WHAT COULD COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS
10:12:34AM SAYING.
10:12:34AM YOU LOOK AT COMMUNITIES AND YOU HAVE OF A BUILDING WITH A
10:12:36AM WALL AND EVERYTHING IS INSIDE -- IT DOESN'T FIT
10:12:39AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:12:39AM SO I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF THIS EITHER.
10:12:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
10:12:48AM ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA
10:12:50AM ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:12:56AM >> JOE ROBINSON, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:12:58AM I HAPPEN TO HAVE A TOWN HOUSE ATTACHED ON -- RIGHT ACROSS
10:13:02AM THE STREET FROM ME BUT FACES THE STREET THERE WAS TALK TO
10:13:09AM PUT FOUR OVER THERE AND WE FOUGHT THAT AND THANKS TO ABBYE,
10:13:14AM THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE RM-16.
10:13:17AM AND SO THIS ISSUE OF FACING THE STREET IS REALLY GOOD,
10:13:20AM BECAUSE ONE THING IS, HOW IS AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE GOING TO
10:13:26AM KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING.
10:13:27AM THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ADDRESSES WITH THE AMBULANCES COMING.
10:13:30AM YOU HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS LIKE THE ONE ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
10:13:33AM I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE STREET.
10:13:37AM AND IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS TO CHANGE IT, THERE ARE WAYS TO
10:13:41AM ASK FOR WAIVERS AND WAYS TO GET THINGS DONE, BUT THAT WILL
10:13:44AM BE MORE LIKE A ONE-OFF INSTEAD OF IT BEING AN AUTOMATIC AND
10:13:48AM THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT THE ISSUE THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO
10:13:51AM THROUGH THE ONE-OFF PROCESS.
10:13:53AM I AM NOT SUPPORTING THIS FROM EITHER, BECAUSE I GOT ONE IN
10:13:57AM FRONT OF ME THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON A 75-FOOT LOT, CHARLIE.
10:14:02AM AND DOING A GREAT DEVELOPMENT.
10:14:03AM BUT A SCAGLIONE LOT, SIT ON FOUR, FIVE LOTS.
10:14:09AM THE GUY WOULD HAVE JAMMED IT IN THERE AND WHAT HAPPENS IS I
10:14:15AM HAVE PARKING ISSUES AND PARKING PATROLMAN ACROSS THE STREET.
10:14:19AM THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS THEY TOOK UP THAT CURB.
10:14:23AM THAT 18-INCH BY 24-INCH GRANITE CURB, CHARLIE, ON A STREET
10:14:32AM AND NO MORE CURB AND DRIVEWAYS -- I ASKED THEM WHERE THE
10:14:35AM CURB -- I THINK I LEFT A MESSAGE WITH YOU, MISS ABBY,E AND
10:14:39AM NOBODY SAID WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
10:14:42AM AND STORAGE FOR FUTURE USE BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:14:45AM I AM GOING TO START ENFORCING THAT IN WEST TAMPA PAUSE A
10:14:48AM NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE
10:14:52AM ELEMENT GO AND THE SCAGLIONE HOUSE.
10:14:57AM THE TOWN HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET -- SELLING ONE SIDE FOR
10:15:02AM $750,000.
10:15:02AM NO WE ARE NOT ADRYING TO THIS -- AT LEAST I DON'T AGREE TO
10:15:06AM THIS.
10:15:07AM AND PEOPLE I TALK TO DON'T AGREE WITH THIS.
10:15:09AM LIKE A DEVELOPER GETTING A SLICK WILLIE WAY TO GET AROUND
10:15:13AM HAVING TO ASK FOR A WAIVER.
10:15:16AM THANK YOU.
10:15:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:15:22AM NATHAN HAGAN.
10:15:23AM THIS IS A VERY NUANCED NOT VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
10:15:26AM BUT I WILL CALL OUT THAT I THINK IT IS STRANGE THAT WE ARE
10:15:32AM REGULATING RENTAL TYPE UNITS DIFFERENTLY THAN THESE PLATTED
10:15:37AM OWNED PARCELS.
10:15:38AM I THINK THAT THE FACT THERE ARE A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES FOR
10:15:41AM DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE.
10:15:42AM AND THAT IS PART OF THE CODE IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME.
10:15:45AM AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED.
10:15:47AM I DON'T CARE WHICH DIRECTION THAT WE GO.
10:15:49AM BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT A THEME IN THE COMMENTS IN ISSUES
10:15:54AM LIKE THIS.
10:15:54AM THAT THERE IS BASICALLY -- THIS IS, AGAIN, ME BEING A LITTLE
10:15:59AM FACETIOUS, A WAR ON TOWN HOMES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:16:03AM A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE WHO OWN
10:16:06AM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE FIGHTING TOWN HOMES EVERY CORNER,
10:16:08AM EVERY OPPORTUNITY THEY HAVE.
10:16:09AM IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION
10:16:13AM ABOUT QUADPLEXES, IF THAT DOESN'T GET BUMP FROM THAT
10:16:19AM WORKSHOP.
10:16:20AM WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING BUT TOWN HOMES IF YOU WERE NOT
10:16:22AM BUILDING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SINGLE-FAMILY.
10:16:24AM SO THE MORE WE ARE DISCOURAGING TOWN HOMES AND NOT MAKING
10:16:29AM PROGRESS ON ANY OTHER TYPE.
10:16:31AM WE ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD AT ALL.
10:16:33AM IN FACT WE ARE MOVING BACKWARDS.
10:16:35AM I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT CONSIDER THE
10:16:38AM BROADER CONTEXT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING TO FIGHT TOWN HOMES AND
10:16:41AM MAKE NOTHING PROGRESS.
10:16:42AM SPENDING ALL THAT TIME FIGHTING TOWN HOMES AND MAKING NO
10:16:46AM PROGRESS ON OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE HOUSING.
10:16:48AM ALSO WHAT STANDARD DOES IT SET TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE
10:16:51AM A CITY COUNCIL THAT DOESN'T LIKE TOWN HOMES.
10:16:54AM AND WE ARE GOING TO -- YOU KNOW, THE REASON PEOPLE ARE
10:16:57AM FIGHTING THESE IS NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE -- THEY ARE NOT
10:17:01AM FACING THE STREET BECAUSE EVERY DOOR CAN'T FACE THE STREET
10:17:04AM ON ANY TYPE OF HOUSING THAT EXISTS.
10:17:06AM THAT IS KIND CAN OF CONVOLUTED.
10:17:08AM BUT A BIGGER CONTEXT HERE WHEN I SEE THESE KIND OF ITEMS.
10:17:11AM SO THANK YOU.
10:17:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:17:14AM MISS POYNOR, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:17:19AM >> YES, SIR, I DO.
10:17:20AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS THE ANDRE THE GIANT SUBMISSION.
10:17:24AM BECAUSE THAT IS THE KIND OF DENSITY -- AND I AM NOT EVEN
10:17:28AM AGAINST THE TOWN HOUSES.
10:17:29AM BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALK OF 35 FEET ON TOP OF BEING BUILT UP 10
10:17:36AM FEET, YOU HAVE A HUGE BUILDING SEVEN FEET FROM SOMEBODY'S
10:17:39AM NEXT DOOR.
10:17:39AM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I SENT YOU GUY AS DATA SET
10:17:45AM FOR THE LAST FOUR EVENING MEETINGS ATTACHED TO ONE OF MY
10:17:48AM E-MAILS.
10:17:49AM OF THOSE 24% WERE MISNOTICED.
10:17:52AM GO FIGURE.
10:17:53AM 37 AND MOST OF THEM DIRECTLY APPLIED TO THIS PARTICULAR
10:17:59AM ISSUE.
10:18:00AM I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS 12 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND
10:18:03AM 36 TOWN HOUSES.
10:18:05AM THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.
10:18:06AM THEY ARE DUPLEXES.
10:18:07AM THEY ARE NOT 35 FEET HIGH.
10:18:09AM THEY DID A FABULOUS JOB SETTING THEM ON SMALLER LOTS.
10:18:12AM IT CAN BE DONE.
10:18:13AM I WILL ALSO OFFER THAT CASA BELLA CIRCLE IS AN EXAMPLE TO
10:18:19AM HAVE INWARD-FACING PROPERTIES.
10:18:22AM TO GIVE CART BLANCHE, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN
10:18:26AM HURTAK, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE PASSED IN THE FIRST PLACE AND I
10:18:28AM WOULD ALSO OFFER IF TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME I WOULD EXPECT
10:18:32AM THAT IT THE SAME DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTATIVE THAT GOT IT
10:18:35AM PASSED BEFORE PROBABLY MISNOTICED ON MOST OF THESE.
10:18:39AM YOU GUYS GO FIGURE WHO IS THE MISNOTICED AND WHO WANTS IT
10:18:42AM THE MOST, BUT I HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW THAT IS A
10:18:47AM MISNOTICED WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION WHERE THEY WILL
10:18:49AM BACK UP WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY 1970s HOUSE THAT IS ONE-STORY.
10:18:54AM AND THESE PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING 45 FEET UP AT THE BUILDING
10:18:59AM NEXT DOOR TO THEM.
10:19:00AM THAT IS JUST NOT STARE.
10:19:02AM IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED ON A CASE -BY-CASE BASIS.
10:19:06AM EVERY 15-YEAR-OLD DOESN'T NEED TO DRIVE AUTOMATICALLY.
10:19:09AM THERE IS A PARENT IN THE ROOM FOR THAT.
10:19:11AM SO THAT NEEDS TO BE THE CASE ON THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT.
10:19:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:19:19AM MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU THERE?
10:19:22AM >> HI, I AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
10:19:25AM BASICALLY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
10:19:29AM AND COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID.
10:19:30AM AND I ALSO AGREE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THAT CAN BE DONE.
10:19:33AM AND THOSE CAN BE DEALT WITH LIKE WHAT STEPHANIE TALKED ABOUT
10:19:38AM THE CASA BELLA, BUT CART BLANCHE IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.
10:19:41AM AND I DON'T THINK -- AND I AGREE WITH NATHAN.
10:19:45AM SHOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT.
10:19:46AM BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE CHANGE THIS WAY.
10:19:49AM THE ONE THAT WAS CHANGED SHOULD BE CHANGED BACK.
10:19:53AM I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THE WHOLE ISSUE OF MISSING MIDDLE.
10:19:57AM PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE MISSING MIDDLE IN THE CITY IS
10:20:00AM THAT ALL THE RESIDENCE THAT ARE BEING TORN DOWN CONTINUE TO
10:20:03AM CREATE GIGANTIC McMANSIONS FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE
10:20:10AM AVERAGE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT AND THEY ARE BEING TORN DOWN
10:20:13AM AND EVERY APARTMENT NOW IS TWO OR THREE TIMES THE SQUARE
10:20:17AM FOOTAGE OF THE ORIGINAL.
10:20:18AM NO ADDITIONAL UNITS.
10:20:20AM THEY ARE NOT INCREASING DENSITY.
10:20:21AM THEY ARE JUST MAKING EACH ONE GRANDER.
10:20:24AM THE HEIGHT, YOU ARE MAXIMIZING ARE ASKING FOR EXCEPTIONS SO
10:20:28AM THEY CAN HAVE THESE CATHEDRAL CEILINGS AND TAKING THIS
10:20:33AM MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND REPLACING WITH LUXURY HOUSING.
10:20:37AM THE BOOK BY JANE JACOBS, ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TALKS ABOUT
10:20:41AM WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT YOU NEED TO HAVE A MIX OF OLD AND
10:20:44AM NEW.
10:20:44AM AND THE OLD IS BEING ELIMINATED IN THIS CITY.
10:20:47AM A SINGLE EXAMPLE BEING CAME BEFORE VRB, A WELL-MAINTAINED
10:20:53AM MODEST THREE BEDROOM HOUSE AND THEY BULLDOZED IT DOWN AND
10:20:57AM WANTED TO BUILD A SIX-BEDROOM HOUSE ON A 50 X 100 LOT AND
10:21:04AM NEED VARIANCE TO DO THAT.
10:21:09AM BE WITH WOULD HAVE SAID I WOULD HAVE PURCHASE THAT OLD HOME.
10:21:12AM THIS SIX-BEDROOM HOUSE IS OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE AND RUINING
10:21:16AM THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:21:17AM WE NEED THESE OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
10:21:19AM WE NEED THESE OLDER DUPLEXES.
10:21:22AM WE NEED THESE OLDER SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE MODEST AND
10:21:26AM AFFORDABLE AND ALL BEING ILLUMINATED IN LUXURY OF GIGANTIC
10:21:30AM HOUSING AND THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.
10:21:33AM THANK YOU.
10:21:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:21:36AM COUNCILMEMBERS, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS?
10:21:40AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:21:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME OF
10:21:44AM DISLIKING TOWN HOMES, I THINK THEY ARE NOT RIGHT FOR EVERY
10:21:47AM LOT AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT FACT.
10:21:51AM NOT TOWN HOMES BUT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT NAMES.
10:21:55AM INSTEAD OF THREE STORIES FOR EACH TOWN HOME, ONE FOR EACH
10:22:01AM LEVEL THAT GO -- SO MANY THINGS -- THE MISSING MIDDLE THAT I
10:22:05AM KNOW WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE IDEA OF SQUEEZING
10:22:08AM THESE IN THIS WAY JUST DOESN'T WORK.
10:22:10AM SO THAT -- AND I HAVE A MOTION IF --
10:22:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:22:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH THE COMMENT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
10:22:24AM SAID JUST NOW AND ALSO BEFORE.
10:22:25AM TO NATHAN'S POINT.
10:22:28AM HE BRINGS A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND GOOD IDEAS.
10:22:30AM I AM DEFINITELY NOT AGAINST TOWN HOMES.
10:22:32AM I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD IS.
10:22:33AM I WILL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF FOR A SECOND.
10:22:37AM I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT DEVELOPERS AND THEIR
10:22:40AM REPRESENTATIVES APPROACH THESE.
10:22:46AM THIS THEY COME IN AND FIT THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENT AND THEY
10:22:51AM WANT SMALL CHANGES AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SIZE, SCALE AND
10:22:53AM IN SOME CASES THE DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE
10:23:00AM NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T OBJECT TO IT AT ALL.
10:23:02AM THEY REFUSE TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY AND COME IN WITH -- I
10:23:07AM AM USING WORST-CASE SCENARIO, SUBURBAN DESIGN AND A BIG BOX
10:23:12AM THAT IS TALL, OUT OF SCALE.
10:23:14AM AND THEY TRY TO GET ALL THOSE VARIANCES.
10:23:16AM THOSE ARE THE CASE THAT HAVE PROBLEMS.
10:23:18AM ALSO IF YOU CAN PUT FIVE UNITS AND WANT TO PUT TEN, YOU
10:23:22AM MIGHT RUN INTO APPROXIMATE.
10:23:23AM SO IF FOLKS ARE REASONABLE AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND
10:23:26AM WORK WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE LAW AND THE EXISTING
10:23:30AM GUIDANCE AND WANT SMALL EXCEPTIONS, WE APPROVE THEM ALL THE
10:23:34AM TIME.
10:23:34AM THANK YOU.
10:23:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE.
10:23:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONE THAT PASSED IS 9 AND 10.
10:23:46AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK FOR A
10:23:48AM MOMENT.
10:23:48AM I DID HAVE THE SLIDE THAT WENT THROUGH THE SINGLE-FAMILY
10:23:51AM ATTACHED STANDARDS.
10:23:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU.
10:23:54AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I HAVE THE ONE THAT IS THE MULTIFAMILY
10:23:58AM STANDARDS.
10:23:58AM AND THE CURRENT LANGUAGE THAT SAID THE GROUND FLOOR
10:24:01AM ENTRANCES, FRONT DOORS TO THE DWELLING UNITS SHALL FACE A
10:24:05AM STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY NOT INCLUDING ALLEYS RATHER THAN THE
10:24:09AM SIDE OR CORNER LOT LINES.
10:24:10AM ENTRANCES MAY FACE INTERIOR COURTS, PLAZAS OR SIMILAR DESIGN
10:24:15AM ELEMENT WITH THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ALTERNATE DESIGN BY THE
10:24:20AM ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
10:24:21AM WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT THOSE DWELLING UNITS MAY FACE THE SIDE
10:24:27AM LOT LINES PROVIDED THAT THOSE THAT FACE THE STREET HAVE TO
10:24:32AM HAVE ENTRANCES, WINDOWS, PORCH AND OTHER ARCHITECTURAL
10:24:37AM EMBELLISHMENT ALONG THAT PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
10:24:40AM AND THEN THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS CHANGED BY MR. MICHELINI.
10:24:46AM BECAUSE NOW YOU SEE IT NO LONGER SAYS AS AN ALTERNATIVE
10:24:54AM DESIGN THROUGH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
10:24:55AM THAT NUMBER 1 THERE, THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAD RECENTLY BEEN
10:25:00AM MODIFIED.
10:25:00AM AND THEN WE DID HAVE THE DIAGRAM TO SHOW THAT ON THESE, WHAT
10:25:05AM HAPPENS IS, THEY COULD BUILD THOSE FIRST TWO ON THE FAR
10:25:09AM RIGHT THAT ARE ON THE STREET AND THEN THEY WILL NEED THE
10:25:14AM EXCEPTION FOR THE REMAINING EIGHT UNIT REMAINING EIGHT UNITS
10:25:21AM THAT ARE SHOWN UP THERE.
10:25:22AM SO IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO KEEP THE CODE THE WAY
10:25:31AM IT IS ALTERNATE DESIGN COMING BEFORE COUNCIL FOR PD.
10:25:40AM WE NEED TO GO BACK AND MODIFY THE ONE THAT WAS RECENTLY DONE
10:25:43AM TO PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY THAT WAS.
10:25:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS MY FIRST MOTION FOR STAFF TO COME
10:25:48AM BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE TO RESCIND 27-282.9.
10:25:54AM -- 10.
10:25:56AM SORRY, 10.
10:25:57AM AND THEN ALSO MY SECOND MOTION -- WELL, I GUESS I NEED TO DO
10:26:03AM THAT ONE FIRST.
10:26:03AM ANYBODY?
10:26:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:26:07AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:26:08AM WE ARE GOING TO TAKE VOICE VOTES.
10:26:11AM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- EXCUSE ME, ANY COMMENTS?
10:26:13AM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:26:15AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
10:26:18AM THANK YOU.
10:26:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY OTHER ONE IS A MOTION FOR STAFF TO COME
10:26:22AM BACK WITH IDEAS TO ENCOURAGE TOWN HOUSE-STYLE HOMES TO FACE
10:26:27AM THE STREET, POSSIBLY AT LOOKING AT REDUCING GREEN SPACE AND
10:26:31AM LOOKING AT SOME DESIGN STANDARDS.
10:26:33AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT, BUT
10:26:36AM I THINK A LOT OF WHAT I AM HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND
10:26:41AM FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY THAT THEY DON'T FIT.
10:26:42AM I KNOW IF WE HAVE SOME DESIGN STANDARDS, THAT COULD HELP.
10:26:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS?
10:26:49AM ANY QUESTIONS?
10:26:51AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:26:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME COMMENT REAL FAST.
10:26:55AM THIS COUNCIL DIDN'T APPROVE IT BUT TOWN HOMES BUILT IN HYDE
10:27:02AM PARK THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS.
10:27:03AM THEY LOOK LIKE SINGLE-FAMILY AND FOUR UNITS INSIDE IT.
10:27:06AM AND DESIGN IT IN THE ARC IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN'T TELL.
10:27:10AM THE POINT IS, THERE IS A WAY TO GET DENSITY WHILE BEING
10:27:13AM SENSITIVE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
10:27:14AM IF YOU CAN DO IT IN HYDE PARK IN A SENSITIVE WAY TO GET
10:27:19AM THEIR APPROVAL.
10:27:20AM YOU CAN DO IT IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, EAST TAMPA, WEST
10:27:23AM TAMPA, THEY HAVE UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE AND NOT PLOP IN BIG
10:27:31AM SUBURBAN BIG BOXES.
10:27:32AM THANK YOU.
10:27:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:27:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I NOTICED IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL
10:27:38AM ORDINANCE ITSELF.
10:27:39AM IF YOU CAN GO ONE BACK, TWO BACK.
10:27:41AM OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD TRY TO MAKE THESE SIMILAR.
10:27:44AM WE SHOULD TRY TO HAVE THESE MIRROR EACH OTHER.
10:27:47AM ONE THING I DON'T LIKE IN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IS SAYS
10:27:51AM "GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCES TO THE DWELLING UNIT SHALL FACE THE
10:27:54AM STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY AND NOT INCLUDING ALLEYS."
10:27:57AM I THINK IF WE REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT DENSITY AND CONCLUSION
10:28:02AM OF THINGS, WHY CAN'T THEY FACE THE ALLEY?
10:28:05AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE COME BACK.
10:28:07AM A LONG HISTORY AND WHAT HAPPENED IN COURIER CITY OSCAWANA
10:28:13AM WHEN GOING IN THAT WAY.
10:28:13AM ALLEYS TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF CAPACITY AND
10:28:18AM ARE NOT DESIGNED IN THE WAY THAT A STREET IS DESIGNED AND
10:28:21AM THEY HAVE ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE ALLEY THAT IS NOT
10:28:25AM CONDUCIVE TO THE ENTRIES OF THE UNITS OCCURRING THERE.
10:28:27AM WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS THAT I AM HAPPY TO SHARE REQUEST WITH
10:28:31AM YOU OF -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE OBLITERATION OF OUR
10:28:34AM ALLEYS, BUT THE OTHER THING IS WHEN I -- WHEN MERMT OR FIRE
10:28:38AM COMES DOWN AND YOU ARE HAVING A HEART ATTACK, YOU CAN'T BE
10:28:41AM ADDRESSED OFF AN ALLEY.
10:28:43AM SO THEY ARE GOING TO THE FRONT OF YOUR UNIT.
10:28:46AM THERE ARE A COUPLE OF FACETS RELATED TO THAT AND I AM HAPPY
10:28:49AM TO GET INTO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION
10:28:52AM RELATED TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
10:28:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO -- BUT I THINK THAT IS A LARGER
10:28:56AM DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE ABOUT ALLEYS.
10:28:58AM WE ALREADY HAVE THE ALLEYS.
10:29:00AM THEY ARE THERE.
10:29:00AM WE DON'T MAINTAIN THEM.
10:29:02AM WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH OUR ALLEYS.
10:29:05AM IF WE ARE REALLY TALKING OF DENSITY AND INCREASING, WE HAVE
10:29:08AM TO LOOK AT EVERY POSSIBLE WAY.
10:29:10AM AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT ANY BIG CITY, YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE
10:29:14AM WHO COME -- WHO HAVE RESIDENCES OFF OF ALLEYS.
10:29:18AM I DON'T THINK THAT HISTORY AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN AN ALLEY
10:29:22AM BEFORE IS WHAT SHOULD STOP US.
10:29:28AM YES, I KNOW THAT COSTS MONEY AND THAT TAKES TIME.
10:29:30AM BUT SOMETHING THAT LONGER TERM THIS CITY REALLY NEEDS TO
10:29:33AM LOOK AT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:29:35AM WE ABSOLUTELY.
10:29:39AM WE HAVE SUCH DEEP LOTS AND PART OF THE ISSUE OF THE TOWN
10:29:42AM HOMES IF WE CAN JUST HAVE FOUR PLACE THAT HAVE ALLEYS, WHY
10:29:47AM CAN'T THEY FACE AN ALLEY.
10:29:48AM GO TO, THEY HAVE FULL-ON HOUSES THAT FACE ALLEYS, AND YES,
10:29:54AM THEY HAD TO WORK TO MAKE THEIR ALLIES BETTER BUT THEY ARE
10:29:56AM NOT VERY MUCH BIGGER THAN OURS.
10:29:59AM I WILL SAY THAT.
10:30:00AM I WOULD LOVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON HOW TO MAKE ALLEYS
10:30:07AM INVITING.
10:30:08AM AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING FOR MUCH FURTHER IN THE FUTURE,
10:30:12AM BUT I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT IDEA THERE.
10:30:14AM I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE AWAY NOT INCLUDING ALLEY FROM THAT
10:30:17AM LANGUAGE.
10:30:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:30:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: I VOTE AGAIN THE ALLEY APPLICATIONS.
10:30:29AM IN SOME AREAS, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
10:30:32AM WE NEED A BETTER ALLEY MAINTENANCE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE HAVE
10:30:34AM TREES BLOCKING THEM.
10:30:35AM AND -- AND GARBAGE TRUCKS REFUSE TO GO TO CERTAIN
10:30:41AM NEIGHBORHOODS PAUSE OF IT.
10:30:42AM BUT MY OLD HOUSE IN HYDE PARK, I DIDN'T BUILD IT.
10:30:45AM IT WAS A 1921 HOUSE, BUT THE GARAGE WAS BUILT FACING THE
10:30:50AM ALLEY, AND ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS WENT IN AND OUT THROUGH THE
10:30:55AM ALLEY.
10:30:56AM AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SOME KIND OF DWELLING UNIT ABOVE
10:30:59AM THEIR GARAGE.
10:31:00AM YOU TALK OF ADUs.
10:31:03AM YOU NEED TO PUT THE PARKING IN BACK AND DESIGN STANDARDS
10:31:06AM MOSTLY IN CITIES ARE PUTTING PARKING IN BACK INSTEAD OF
10:31:10AM DESIGNING THE STREET LEVEL TO BE HEAVY ON GARAGES.
10:31:13AM IT'S INVITING TO PEOPLE.
10:31:15AM AND YOU PUT THE GARAGE IN THE BACK.
10:31:17AM SO ALL OF THAT LEADS TO BETTER ALLEYS, THANK YOU.
10:31:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:31:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY IN ALLEYWAYS.
10:31:28AM ALLEYWAYS ARE HORRIBLE IN TAMPA.
10:31:31AM GARBAGE MEN, MANY, MANY MOONS GO, MR. MIRANDA, USED TO GO
10:31:37AM THROUGH THAT.
10:31:37AM TRUCKS ARE BIGGER NOW.
10:31:39AM CARS ARE BIGGER NOW.
10:31:40AM 37 AND THEY ARE NOT MAINTAINED.
10:31:42AM IF YOU TALK OF ALLEYWAYS, LOOK AT MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR AN
10:31:45AM ALLEY.
10:31:46AM ONE, ANYWAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SUPPORT DOWN THE ROAD
10:31:53AM I CAN SEE A GARAGE IN THE BACK OF THE ALLEY BUT A PLACE
10:31:57AM FACING AN ALLEY AESTHETICALLY AND THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T
10:32:01AM KNOW ABOUT THAT BUT I CAN SEE UTILIZING THAT.
10:32:04AM BUT AS FAR AS THE DESIGN, HAVING AN ALLEY AND A FRONT DOOR
10:32:08AM FACING OUT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
10:32:10AM BUT I KNOW FOR ONE, PUBLIC SAFETY WILL BE A KEY GOAL FOR ME
10:32:14AM WHEN TALKING OF AN ALLEY.
10:32:15AM THE FIRE TRUCK AND SOME OF THE CARS CAN'T GET THROUGH THE
10:32:19AM ALLEYS.
10:32:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:32:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, COUNCILMAN
10:32:24AM GUDES.
10:32:24AM ALLEYS FOR THAT TIME WERE FOR BARGAIN TRUCKS THAT GO BY.
10:32:28AM FOUR INDIVIDUALS, IT WASN'T THAT WIDE, LONG OR HEAVY.
10:32:31AM MAYBE IT CARRY A FIFTH OF WHAT WE CARRY NOW.
10:32:34AM A DRIVER, TWO THROWERS AND ONE CATCHER.
10:32:37AM AND THEY WOULD THROW AND EVERY -- AND EVERY DAY.
10:32:41AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DIDN'T BREAK THEIR BACKS BUT EVIDENTLY
10:32:44AM THEY SURVIVED AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW ARE MONSTROUS TRUCKS NOT
10:32:47AM EVEN COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE HAD.
10:32:49AM WHAT WE HAD THEN COMPARED TO NOW IS LIKE HAVING A MINI CAR
10:32:53AM HALF THE SIZE OF A VOLKSWAGEN COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE THAT
10:32:57AM TAKES OUT TONS AND TONS OF IT AND TAKES IT TO THE PLANT TO
10:33:03AM GET BURNED AND EXPOSED OF.
10:33:04AM THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
10:33:06AM THE ALLEYS HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY BIGGER.
10:33:09AM MOST OF THE ALLEYS IN YBOR CITY ARE THERE.
10:33:12AM A LOT OF THEM IN WEST TAMPA, DO A STUDY, 50% DON'T HAVE AN
10:33:18AM ALLEY.
10:33:18AM CLOSED YEARS AGO AND THE OTHER PERCENT HAS AN ALLEY THAT
10:33:21AM CANNOT MAKE A TURN INTO THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF
10:33:24AM THE ALLEY.
10:33:25AM I AM NOT SAYING ALL OF THEM CAN'T MAKE A TURN BUT MOST OF
10:33:28AM THEM I DON'T BELIEVE CAN A MOTION.
10:33:37AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:33:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT COUNCIL TO THINK OF THIS BECAUSE WE
10:33:41AM WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ADUs.
10:33:44AM WHERE DO THEY FACE?
10:33:46AM THOSE ENTRY DOORS FACE THE ALLEY FOR THE MOST PART.
10:33:51AM WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS.
10:33:52AM THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH -- A LOT OF THEM CAN.
10:33:55AM THE NEIGHBORHOODS I AM IN AN ADU.
10:33:57AM THE FRONT DOOR FACES THE ALLEY.
10:34:00AM SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NOT -- I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS
10:34:04AM THIS MORNING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE ADUs WILL
10:34:08AM FACE THAT IS WHERE OUR PARKING IN WITH THE ALLEY.
10:34:13AM MULTIPLE ADUs IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ACTUALLY ENTER FROM
10:34:18AM THE ALLEY.
10:34:19AM AND THOSE CITIZENS -- I MEAN IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE WE ARE --
10:34:28AM DON'T THEY DESERVE A GOOD FRONT SPACE TOO.
10:34:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PUBLIC OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT ADUs ARE.
10:34:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE
10:34:38AM ALREADY HAVE -- WE ALREADY HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS
10:34:41AM THAT FACE THE ALLEY.
10:34:42AM SO I -- I THINK THAT EXPANDING THAT ISN'T OUTSIDE OF OF THE
10:34:47AM REALM OF WHAT IS OCCURRING IN THE CITY.
10:34:49AM SO ANYWAY.
10:34:51AM >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:34:58AM MISS FEELEY.
10:35:00AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, I BELIEVE.
10:35:04AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:35:07AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:35:08AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:35:11AM I AM GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS.
10:35:12AM BUT YOU TOUCHED ONE ON ONE THING PERMEABLE SPACE TAKING AWAY
10:35:18AM GREEN SPACE.
10:35:19AM WE HAVE CONSTITUENTS OUT THERE CALLING OUR OFFICES ABOUT
10:35:22AM FLOODING THAT COME FROM ANOTHER BUILDING ON TO THEIR
10:35:24AM PROPERTY OR EXCESSIVE FLOODING THAT RUNS OFF OF HOUSING THAT
10:35:30AM IS TOO BIG FOR THE LOT INTO THEIR STREETS.
10:35:33AM SO I AM GOING TO VOTE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, BUT I WANT TO
10:35:37AM BRING THIS UP IN FURTHER DISCUSSION.
10:35:38AM ALL IN IF I EVER SAY AYE.
10:35:41AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:35:43AM THANK YOU.
10:35:43AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:35:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION ABOUT ALLEYS
10:35:50AM BUT I WANT TO WORK WITH STEVEN ON THAT.
10:35:52AM I AM NOT QUITE SURE OF TIMING AND THE DEPTH OF DISCUSSION
10:35:56AM ABOUT ALLEYS.
10:35:57AM I WANT TO SAY I WILL LIKE TO BRING THAT FORWARD IN A FUTURE
10:36:01AM MEETING I WILL HAVE A MOTION ABOUT HAVING A DEEPER
10:36:05AM DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR ALLEYS.
10:36:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:36:13AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.
10:36:17AM ABBYE FEELEY.
10:36:18AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 IS TO DISCUSS THE ABILITY FOR
10:36:23AM SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO BECOME
10:36:27AM A PERMITTED USE IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
10:36:29AM RIGHT NOW -- OOPS, I WENT THE WRONG WAY.
10:36:35AM SORRY.
10:36:36AM RIGHT NOW, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE-FAMILY
10:36:41AM ATTACHED IS PERMITTED IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AS S-1.
10:36:45AM A SPECIAL USE 1.
10:36:46AM TWO CRITERIA THAT GO WITH THEM.
10:36:49AM SO IF YOU ARE IN A COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT AND
10:36:52AM YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT APARTMENTS IN, YOU COULD COME IN
10:36:56AM THROUGH AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND THERE ARE TWO
10:36:59AM CRITERIA THAT GO WITH THAT PROCESS.
10:37:01AM THE FIRST IS YOU ARE ON AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR AND FOLLOW
10:37:12AM THE RM-24 STANDARDS.
10:37:14AM THE RESIDENTIAL 24 STANDARDS.
10:37:17AM YOU MEET THOSE TWO CRITERIA YOU ARE APPROVABLE AS A
10:37:21AM PERMITTED USE WITNESS THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
10:37:23AM FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE OF A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY ON
10:37:26AM SOUTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
10:37:27AM AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THAT WITH A FIVE-STORY
10:37:32AM APARTMENT BUILDING.
10:37:32AM YOU COME INTO ZONING.
10:37:34AM IT COMES AS A CONTINUAL USE.
10:37:36AM YOU BRING A SITE PLAN.
10:37:37AM YOU SHOW THAT YOU MEET THOSE TWO CONDITIONS.
10:37:39AM ONE THAT YOU ARE ON AN ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR STREET AND TWO
10:37:44AM THAT YOU MEET THE RM-24 STANDARDS.
10:37:46AM WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO MAKE THAT TO ALLOW IT AS A
10:37:58AM SPECIFIED LOOK.
10:37:59AM AND DO HAVE CRITERIA FOR THE APARTMENT BUILDING TO COME IN
10:38:05AM AND WILL NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PROCESS.
10:38:07AM IT WILL GO THROUGH PERMITTING.
10:38:10AM THIS IS A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT TO TRY TO MAKE THOSE
10:38:14AM OPPORTUNITIES A LITTLE BIT MORE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE
10:38:18AM DEVELOPMENTS.
10:38:19AM SO THE -- AND, AGAIN, FEEDING BACK TO THE INVENTORY AND THE
10:38:24AM AVAILABLE LAND TO CREATE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE
10:38:28AM CITY SO -- -- I WILL GO THROUGH THAT.
10:38:36AM AND THIS WILL BE EITHER TOWN HOME OR MULTIFAMILY
10:38:42AM RESIDENTIAL.
10:38:42AM AND THIS WILL BE FOR THE RO, WHICH WILL BE RESIDENTIAL
10:38:46AM OFFICE, THE RO-1, THE OP, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL OP-1, CG,
10:38:56AM COMMERCIAL GENERAL, C-I, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE DISTRICT.
10:39:01AM HERE IS THE CODE WITH WHAT I WENT OVER.
10:39:05AM DIRECT ACCESS TO THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR AND THE RM-24
10:39:09AM STANDARDS A 25-FOOT FRONT, A 15-FOOT REAR AND SEVEN-FOOT
10:39:16AM SIDES.
10:39:16AM AND ALSO ON THE RM-24, ONCE YOU GET OVER 35 FEET, YOU HAVE
10:39:21AM TO STEP THE BUILDING IN ADDITIONAL SETBACK.
10:39:24AM THOSE CRITERIA THAT ARE THERE AS A SPECIAL USE WILL BE
10:39:32AM SPECIALIZED USE CRITERIA.
10:39:34AM WILL SAY WHEN YOU ARE DOING MULTIFAMILY IN A NONRESIDENTIAL
10:39:38AM ZONING DISTRICT THESE WILL BE THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WILL
10:39:42AM FOLLOW.
10:39:42AM THE FIRST IS WHEN YOU ARE LOCATED IN AN OFFICE AND OR
10:39:46AM COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, YOU WILL MEET THE DIMENSIONAL
10:39:49AM REGULATIONS OF THE UNDER LYING ZONING DISTRICT THE SIDE AND
10:39:55AM REAR YARDS WHICH IS NO LESS THAN TEN FOOT.
10:39:57AM WHICH MEANS IN A COMMERCIAL GENERAL THAT CURRENTLY HAS A
10:40:01AM TEN-FOOT SETBACK FOR THE FRONT THAT YOU CAN ALSO BENEFIT
10:40:04AM FROM HAVING THAT TEN-FOOT SETBACK AND PICKING UP THOSE
10:40:07AM ADDITIONAL 15 FEET OF LAND TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN ON THE
10:40:12AM PROPERTY.
10:40:12AM IT ACTUALLY WILL RESULT IN THE PROJECT COMING CLOSER UP TO
10:40:15AM THE STREET MOST LIKELY WHEN RIGHT NOW IT FORCES IT TO BE 25
10:40:20AM FEET BACK.
10:40:20AM IT WILL BE CREATING MORE OF THAT PUBLIC REALM.
10:40:24AM THE SECOND IS THAT ANY VARIANCES TO HEIGHT AND SETBACK MAY
10:40:28AM BE GRANTED BY THE APPROPRIATE BOARD OR COMMISSION.
10:40:31AM AND THE THIRD IS THAT THE DENSITY WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH
10:40:35AM THE UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
10:40:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:40:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GLAD WE BROUGHT THAT UP.
10:40:42AM THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
10:40:45AM LET YOU GO UP.
10:40:47AM HOW DO WE BENEFIT.
10:40:49AM HOW DO WE BENEFIT AS FAR AS, WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
10:40:55AM MISS TRAVIS, MAYBE YOU CAN JUMP IN ON THAT.
10:40:57AM I KNOW WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
10:40:59AM HERE SHE COMES.
10:41:05AM HOW DO WE BENEFIT?
10:41:07AM HOW DO WE PUT SOMETHING IN TO MAKE SURE WE ARE BENEFITING
10:41:09AM WHEN WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
10:41:11AM I KNOW PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE.
10:41:14AM AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT A BENEFIT OUT OF
10:41:18AM IT.
10:41:18AM HOW DO WE BENEFIT.
10:41:20AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: HOW DO YOU BENEFIT AS SPECIFIED USE?
10:41:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT AND GOING UP.
10:41:26AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: OH, THE DENSITY -- GOING UP.
10:41:30AM WELL -- GOING -- JUST INCREASING YOUR DENSITY OVERALL, WE
10:41:35AM ALREADY HAVE OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE, CORRECT.
10:41:38AM AND SO IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE.
10:41:42AM JUST HOUSING SHORTAGE OVERALL.
10:41:44AM SO WHEN YOU HAVE MIXED USE DENSITIES GOING UP, IT ALLOWS YOU
10:41:49AM TO GET MORE UNITS IN A SMALLER PIECE -- SMALLER SPACE.
10:41:53AM TAMPA IS PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT.
10:41:55AM SO ANY PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ARE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
10:41:59AM YOU GO HIGHER IN DENSITY.
10:42:02AM MORE UNITS.
10:42:03AM IS THAT GENERALLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING?
10:42:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND TRYING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE COMING IN TO
10:42:09AM SEE IF THEY CAN HELP US WITH THIS SITUATION.
10:42:12AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO YOU HAVE OPTIONS WHEN YOU HAVE -- GETS A
10:42:15AM LITTLE INTO YOUR FUTURE LAND USE AND GETS INTO THE HEIGHT
10:42:21AM LIMITATIONS AND WE HAVE CAPS ON CERTAIN AREAS BUT THINGS
10:42:24AM THAT YOU WANT AS A COUNCIL THAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT,
10:42:27AM HOUSING AFFORDABILITY BEING ONE OF THEM.
10:42:30AM START LOOKING HOW DO YOU INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABILITY IN DOING
10:42:36AM -- TAKING THE CAP OFF IN CERTAIN AREAS.
10:42:38AM CHANNELSIDE IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WITH A 7 F.A.R.
10:42:44AM IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW THAT TO GO HIGHER.
10:42:46AM WE BENEFIT AS A COMMUNITY TO TAKE THE CAP OFF AND HAVE THEM
10:42:51AM DO ADDITIONAL DENSITY WITH REGARDS TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
10:42:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:42:56AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU.
10:42:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
10:42:58AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:43:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: STATEMENT AND A QUESTION.
10:43:02AM WE ARE IN A HOUSING CRISIS JUST LIKE MOST OF THE REESE OF
10:43:06AM THE COUNTRY OR PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE ARE MOVING
10:43:08AM TO.
10:43:11AM BUT ALSO IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS.
10:43:13AM TAMPA HAS BEEN IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS FOR 10, 11 YEARS AND
10:43:17AM BEFORE THAT THE GREAT RECESSION AND WE PAINT A PRETTY
10:43:20AM PICTURE HOW TAMPA IS DOING BECAUSE THE REGION IS DOING WELL.
10:43:23AM BUT GO TO -- IF YOU WANT GO TO THE CENSUS DATA YOURSELF.
10:43:27AM TAMPA HAS NOT DONE WELL.
10:43:28AM WE FAILED ECONOMICALLY IN THE LAST 11 YEARS.
10:43:31AM WE HAVE GONE SIDEWAYS COMPARED TO CITIES LIKE CHARLOTTE,
10:43:36AM AUSTIN AND ATLANTA THAT GREW THEIR ECONOMIES AND DISPARITIES
10:43:40AM BETWEEN RICH AND POOR, BLACK AND WHITE AND MEN AND WOMEN ARE
10:43:44AM TERRIBLE.
10:43:44AM OUR HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE IS TERRIBLE.
10:43:47AM MY POINT IS THAT WE HAVE TO GROW OUR ECONOMY.
10:43:51AM WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE TEN YEARS OF
10:43:54AM SUBSIDIZING A COUPLE OF DEVELOPERS AGAINST EVERYBODY ELSE.
10:43:57AM WASN'T FAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE AND ALSO SUBSIDIZE A FEW THAT
10:44:01AM BROUGHT BACK OFFICE JOBS.
10:44:02AM WE HAVEN'T DONE MUCH TO GROW OUR ECONOMY.
10:44:06AM AND WE HAVE GOT TO SWITCH THAT.
10:44:07AM WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING CRISIS AND NOT
10:44:11AM PAYING ATTENTION TO IT THE ECONOMIC CRISIS WHICH IS ABOUT TO
10:44:14AM GET VERY, VERY WORSE CONVERTING COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL
10:44:18AM LAND TO HOUSING.
10:44:18AM TEN YEARS WHEN WE WAKE UP AND SAY, HOLY CRAP, WE HAD 20
10:44:23AM YEARS OF ECONOMIC CRISIS AND TAMPA IS NOT DOING WELL, WE ARE
10:44:28AM GOING TO SAY NO PLACE TO PUT BUSINESSES ANYMORE.
10:44:34AM AS I SEE THE ECONOMIC NUMBERS GETTING WORSE, I AM MORE
10:44:38AM COMPARED OF CONVERTING INDUSTRIAL LAND BECAUSE WE NEED IT TO
10:44:43AM GROW THE ECONOMY.
10:44:45AM WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SITTING WORKING REMOTELY FROM NEW YORK.
10:44:49AM WE NEED BUSINESSES HERE AND THEY HAVE TO BE LOGISTICALLY.
10:44:52AM SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY TO JUST LIMIT THIS TO WHAT
10:44:56AM I CALL SHOP HOUSES WHERE WE MANDATE AND GOT TO BE MIXED USE
10:45:05AM INSTEAD OF SINGLE-FAMILY AND WE MANDATE THAT IT HAS TO BE
10:45:08AM COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND LEVEL OR FIRST AND SECOND LEVEL AND
10:45:11AM THEN HOUSING ON TOP?
10:45:17AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO ABBYE FEELEY.
10:45:19AM RIGHT NOW OUR CODE SPEAKS TO THIS BEING ALLOWED WITHIN THE
10:45:22AM COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
10:45:23AM IT IS JUST AS A CONTINUAL USE.
10:45:26AM IT IS ALLOWED.
10:45:27AM YOU CAN TO IT TODAY.
10:45:28AM YOU CAN COME IN WITH AN APPLICATION.
10:45:31AM SO WE ARE NOT CREATING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALLOWED TODAY.
10:45:35AM IT IS ALLOWED TODAY.
10:45:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: TELL US WHAT WE ARE ALLOWING.
10:45:44AM SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING.
10:45:46AM >> TAKE IT FROM ONE APPLICATION PROCESS.
10:45:48AM THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION PROCESS OR CONDITIONAL USE
10:45:51AM APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THOSE TWO CRITERIA AND MAKING IT A
10:45:55AM SPECIFIED USE.
10:45:56AM YOU NO LONGER HAVE AN ADDED LAYER OF HAVING TO FILE A
10:45:59AM CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, BUT THE CRITERIA ARE STILL
10:46:06AM THERE TODAY.
10:46:07AM SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC TAKING AWAY
10:46:10AM COMMERCIAL.
10:46:10AM IT IS ALLOWED TODAY COMES TO YOU ON APPEAL AS THE COMMERCIAL
10:46:19AM PROPERTY BECAUSE HAVEN'T MET THE CRITERIA OF THE ARTERIAL
10:46:25AM COLLECTOR.
10:46:26AM A COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND THEY CAN BUILD A WANT THERE, BUT
10:46:30AM FOR RESIDENTIAL, THEY HAVE TO -- THAT CRITERIA REQUIRES THEM
10:46:34AM TO MEET BEYOND A ARTERIAL COLLECTOR.
10:46:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID ON
10:46:42AM THE HE SHALL ISSUE.
10:46:44AM I WISH WE WOULD GO BACK.
10:46:46AM AREAS WHERE WE PROVIDE A LOT OF DENSITY, LOTS OF HOUSING
10:46:50AM UNITS ON TOP, BUT PROTECT THE GROUND LEVEL FOR COMMERCIAL.
10:46:53AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE DO HAVE A PERMITTED USE WITHIN ALL OF
10:46:55AM THOSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS CALLED "STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL."
10:47:00AM "STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL" NON RESY ON THE GROUND FLOOR OR
10:47:05AM BEHIND OR RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
10:47:06AM AND THAT IS A PERMITTED USE TODAY.
10:47:09AM IF ANYBODY WAS OUT THERE WANTING TO DO THAT, THEY COULD DO
10:47:12AM IT TODAY AND GO STRAIGHT INTO THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
10:47:17AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO COUNCIL, TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT, THE
10:47:21AM SPECIFIED USE SHORTENS THE PROCESS TIME.
10:47:23AM TAKING FROM A TWO-LAYER APPLICATION PROCESS TO A SINGLE
10:47:27AM APPLICATION PROCESS.
10:47:28AM SO SHORTENS -- IT CHARTENS THE LENGTH OF TIME OF THE
10:47:33AM APPLICATION.
10:47:34AM WHAT YOU ARE TALKING BY UNDERSTAND IS GREATER THAN -- THIS
10:47:40AM IS REAL ESTATE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
10:47:41AM YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LARGER ECONOMIC IMPACTS WHERE WE
10:47:45AM SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MORE THE TYPE OF JOBS.
10:47:53AM >> BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC PROBLEMS WE NEED TO LOOK AT
10:47:56AM COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SPACE AND CONVERTING HOUSING.
10:47:58AM I WOULD RATHER TOUGHEN IT UP AT LEAST AT THE GROUND LEVEL SO
10:48:02AM IF YOU DO THIS, NO NOTICE TO THE -- TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT --
10:48:05AM THAT YOU ARE GETTING WHAT USED TO BE AN EXCEPTION.
10:48:08AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ON SPECIFIED USE WOULD NOT GET NOTICE.
10:48:16AM ON THE S-1, YOU WOULD GET NOTICE.
10:48:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WON'T SUPPORT THIS, WHATEVER MY COLLEAGUES
10:48:23AM DO, I WISH WE WOULD GO BACK TO HEAVY MULTIUSE.
10:48:26AM THE MULTIUSE LOOPHOLE TO PUT 100 SQUARE FEET AND BUILD 5 00
10:48:31AM UNITS OF HOUSING.
10:48:32AM I THINK IN COMMERCIAL AREAS IN PARTICULAR, I THINK WE NEED
10:48:35AM -- WE NEED, LIKE, A MANDATE FOR THE GROUND LEVEL AT LEAST OR
10:48:40AM -- OR 10 OR 20% OR WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS THAT IT HAS TO
10:48:44AM REMAIN COMMERCIAL BECAUSE WHERE ELSE IN OUR BUSINESS.
10:48:47AM NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO EARN MONEY TO AFFORD THESE HOUSES.
10:48:51AM THE REASON WE HAVE A HOUSING PROBLEM, THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF
10:48:55AM UNITS, BUT THEIR RENT PRICES ARE GOING UP AND WAGES ARE NOT
10:48:59AM KEEPING UP WITH IT BECAUSE RECRUITING CRAPPY JOBS THROUGH
10:49:02AM THE .
10:49:04AM AND WE NEED TO CREATE OUR OWN JOBS INSTEAD OF SUBSIDIZING
10:49:09AM OTHER JOBS THAT DON'T PAY VERY MUCH.
10:49:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:49:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:.COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DON'T SAY WE WISH, WE CAN
10:49:18AM GO BACK.
10:49:19AM WE CAN MAKE THESE CHANGES.
10:49:20AM I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
10:49:21AM AND, YES, IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW WHERE THEY PUT IN
10:49:25AM THIS INCREDIBLY TINY PIECE OF COMMERCIAL.
10:49:30AM AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS BUILT OUT.
10:49:32AM I CAN THINK OF MULTIPLE EXAMPLES WHERE IT IS -- IT GETS ME
10:49:40AM -- IN NORTH HYDE PARK A DUCKWEED IN A CORNER AND NOTHING BUT
10:49:44AM PARKING WALL.
10:49:45AM AND -- I MEAN THAT DUCKWEED IS ABSOLUTELY PACKED.
10:49:49AM IT IS BUSY ALL THE TIME.
10:49:51AM NOW THAT AREA IS A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:49:53AM WE CAN NOT GET THAT BACK.
10:49:54AM WE CANNOT GET THAT FRONTAGE SPACE BACK.
10:49:57AM I COMPLETELY AGREE.
10:49:58AM WE NEED TO SUPPORT THIS.
10:50:01AM I WOULD -- I WOULD NEED TO HAVE A GUARANTEE IN A COMMERCIAL
10:50:10AM DISTRICT -- AGAIN YOU ARE SAYING THAT THEY CAN ALREADY DO
10:50:12AM THIS.
10:50:12AM I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO ROLL IT BACK AND FIND A WAY WE
10:50:16AM DEMAND COMMERCIAL ON IN ANY OF THESE UNITS THAT HAVE -- WHAT
10:50:25AM IS IT, THAT FIT THOSE TWO THINGS WITH THE ARTERIAL ROAD AND
10:50:29AM THE RM-24.
10:50:31AM IS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS?
10:50:33AM SO THE OTHER THING WILL HAVE TO BE THE THIRD REQUIREMENT
10:50:36AM WOULD HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL USE ON THE GROUND FLOOR JUST
10:50:43AM THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
10:50:43AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO LOOK AT
10:50:47AM THAT.
10:50:47AM IF YOU TALK THROUGH THE CRITERIA AND LET US KNOW WHAT WITH
10:50:50AM YOU LIKE OR DON'T LIKE.
10:50:51AM WE HEAR THE COMMENTS.
10:50:52AM 37 AND WE WERE JUST WHISPERING TO EACH OTHER THAT WE THINK
10:50:57AM THERE ARE SOME TWEAKS WE CAN MAKE AND SUGGESTIONS TO COME UP
10:51:00AM WITH.
10:51:01AM IF ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK.
10:51:04AM WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
10:51:06AM A LARGER ECONOMIC AND YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THAT IN THE LAND
10:51:10AM USES AND YOUR ZONING.
10:51:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
10:51:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:51:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK MISS SWIFT AS A CONTENT EXPERT TO
10:51:20AM GIVE A MINUTE OF FEEDBACK ON THIS.
10:51:22AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SHE WAS GOING TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC
10:51:30AM COMMENT.
10:51:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
10:51:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE SPOKEN TO MISS FEELEY AND SOME OTHER
10:51:37AM PEOPLE.
10:51:37AM IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY THAT BOTTOM FLOOR IS RETAIL.
10:51:42AM MAKE IT MANDATORY.
10:51:43AM WE HAVE MIXED USE THAT HAS COME IN THAT A 5,000, 6,000,
10:51:48AM 7,000 SQUARE FOOT.
10:51:49AM AND 50 FOOT OF IT WAS RETAIL.
10:51:51AM THAT IS RIDICULOUS.
10:51:54AM THAT IS ABSURD.
10:51:55AM AND PUT IT ON THE ONUS ON THE DEVELOPER THAT FOR SOME REASON
10:52:02AM THEY ARE AT THE END OF A DEAD-END STREET OR SOMETHING WHERE
10:52:05AM IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR THEM TO HAVE THE RETAIL ON THE
10:52:08AM BOTTOM FLOOR, MAKE THEM HAVE TO HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF.
10:52:14AM ALL RIGHT, ARE WE FINISHED WITH COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
10:52:24AM I HAVEN'T PASSED MY GAVEL YET.
10:52:27AM MISS SWIFT, SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:52:32AM >> THANK YOU.
10:52:41AM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBERS CARLSON AND HURTAK.
10:52:45AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ROLLED BACK, ALTHOUGH I PLEASANTLY
10:52:48AM SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT.
10:52:49AM THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT IS
10:52:57AM REALLY SUCH A MAJOR POLICY CHANGE THAT 2 NEEDS TO BE A COMP
10:53:03AM PLAN AMENDMENT IF IT NEEDS TO GO FORWARD THAT WAY.
10:53:05AM I RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS ALREADY A SPECIAL USE 1 AND THIS WILL
10:53:11AM MAKE IT BLANKET.
10:53:14AM AND MY REASONS -- THIS IS -- THERE ARE SO MANY TOOLS THAT WE
10:53:19AM WILL NEED TO USE TO NEXT OUR HOUSING AFFORDABLE AND --
10:53:25AM HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND STOCK PERIOD.
10:53:27AM MY SPECIALTY IN GRAD SCHOOL AND ALMOST ALL OF MY POSITIONS,
10:53:32AM PUBLIC POSITIONS, I AM -- I CHANGED AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAW
10:53:37AM TO MAKE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:53:40AM BUT AS I SAID, SOME OF THEM ARE GREAT CONCEPTS BUT WHEN YOU
10:53:47AM PUT THEM ON PAPER AND THEN ON THE LAND IN A VERY URBAN AREA
10:53:51AM LIKE TAMPA, SOMETIMES YOU GET LOTS OF UNINTENDED
10:53:55AM CONSEQUENCES.
10:54:03AM I THINK THIS SPREADS MULTIFAMILY OUT BY RIGHT TO EVERY
10:54:07AM DISTRICT.
10:54:08AM THAT IN ITSELF MAKES A LOT OF BAD USES NEXT TO ANOTHER USE
10:54:14AM THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE NEXT TO EACH OTHER LIKE
10:54:18AM HOUSTON.
10:54:19AM AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WANT I DON'T THINK WE WANT
10:54:26AM TO JUST GET HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN BUILD IT
10:54:29AM ANYWHERE.
10:54:31AM FIVE YEARS FROM NOW YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE UP HERE NOT LIKING
10:54:34AM WHAT THEY ARE NEXT TO.
10:54:36AM SO I DO THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE -- IF IT MOVES FORWARD IT
10:54:41AM SHOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE DISCUSSION.
10:54:44AM I -- THE -- I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK FOR A MAP OF HOW ALL
10:54:50AM THESE DISTRICT -- WHEN YOU SEE THE MAP OF ALL THE DISTRICTS
10:54:57AM THE WHOLE CITY THAT WILL HAVE 35 OR 60 FOOT HIGH.
10:55:02AM THE DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS ARE OTHER THINGS NOT IN MY THREE
10:55:06AM MINUTES.
10:55:07AM AND SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT IN MY THREE MINUTES AND
10:55:10AM DETAILS -- DETAILED AND YOU NEED A FLOW CHART TO FOLLOW IS
10:55:16AM THE RM-24 DESIGN STANDARDS AND HOW THEY ARE BEING APPLIED
10:55:22AM AND HOW YOU ARE -- YOU ALL ARE BEING ALLOWED TO APPEAL
10:55:25AM THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WERE EVEN MEANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN
10:55:30AM FROM A DEVELOPER'S APPLICATION.
10:55:31AM AND SO YOU -- THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T REALLY
10:55:38AM HAVE RELIANCE ON THE CODE BECAUSE IT IS ALL CONFUSING.
10:55:45AM THANK YOU.
10:55:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:55:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RESPECT ALL COMMENTS.
10:55:51AM MY AIDE BROUGHT US THIS INFORMATION.
10:55:56AM SOMEONE SENT ME BUILDING SUBSIDIZED LOW-INCOME HOUSING LIFTS
10:56:01AM PROPERTY VALUES CONTRADICTING NIMBY RETURNS.
10:56:07AM CONCENTRATING LOW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IS NOT AS BAD AS
10:56:12AM RESIDENTS FEAR.
10:56:13AM INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES AT FASTER RATE THAN OTHER
10:56:16AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:56:16AM YOU USE THE WORD "SUBSIDIZED" AND "LOW INCOME" YOU THINK ALL
10:56:23AM POOR PEOPLE.
10:56:24AM CERTAIN LEVELS DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE AT THE BOTTOM BUT AT A
10:56:27AM RATE THAT YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN.
10:56:28AM IT DOESN'T MEAN BAD PEOPLE.
10:56:30AM YOU KNOW, SECTION 8 -- PEOPLE ON SECTION 8 ARE NOT BAD
10:56:36AM PEOPLE.
10:56:36AM THEY HAVE DECENT JOBS, BUT JUST CAN'T SUSTAIN TO BE WHERE
10:56:39AM THEY NEED TO BE.
10:56:40AM SO I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU
10:56:44AM DO, HOUSING -- PEOPLE FEEL MORE VIABLE AND FEEL MORE GOOD
10:56:48AM WHEN THEY HAVE A PLACE TO STAY.
10:56:50AM THEY KNOW AT NIGHT -- EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FOOD AND
10:56:55AM LAY MY HEAD IN A SAFE PLACE.
10:56:57AM SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS YOU NEED COMMERCIAL OF THAT
10:57:02AM PROBLEM.
10:57:02AM YOU CAN HAVE THE LOCAL GUY IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX COULD BE
10:57:05AM THE -- THE BARBER FOR EVERYBODY IN THE BUILDING.
10:57:09AM MISS JONES WHO DOES CAKES AND PIES FOR A FEW FRIENDS CAN
10:57:13AM HAVE A BAKE SHOP AND HAVE A OR SOUL GOOD DINNER.
10:57:19AM I BELIEVE THAT THE BOTTOM SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
10:57:21AM WITH SPACE AND HAVE IT IN THERE.
10:57:24AM BUT MAKE SURE YOU HAVE HOUSING AT THAT TOP LEVEL.
10:57:27AM I WANTED TO THAT OUT THAT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND PEOPLE ARE
10:57:32AM NOTICING.
10:57:32AM THANK YOU.
10:57:33AM I WILL YIELD BACK.
10:57:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCILMAN
10:57:38AM MANISCALCO.
10:57:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES' COMMENTS.
10:57:41AM SOCIETY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT A COUPLE YEARS BACK.
10:57:46AM HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE AND THE AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE POLICY,
10:57:52AM $5,000 BETWEEN BOTH OF THEM.
10:57:53AM CEMENTS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, ABOUT YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE, YOU
10:57:57AM HAVE TO HAVE THAT.
10:57:57AM YOU CAN'T DRIVE EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE WITHOUT
10:58:01AM INSURANCE.
10:58:01AM HOW DO I KNOW THAT?
10:58:05AM WELL, I WASN'T INVOLVED BUT THE CAR THAT I OWN WAS HIT BY AN
10:58:10AM INDIVIDUAL WHO DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE, BUT HE DIDN'T EVEN
10:58:14AM HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.
10:58:15AM THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.
10:58:16AM AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT A SALARY OF LET'S SAY $40,000 OR
10:58:21AM $45,000 AND HAVE A WIFE AND TWO KIDS, YOU ARE LOSING $5,000
10:58:27AM JUST ON THOSE TWO ITEMS.
10:58:28AM WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?
10:58:30AM YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE PAYMENT, THAT IS WHAT IS
10:58:33AM GOING TO HAPPEN.
10:58:33AM SO WE ARE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN RISING PRICES.
10:58:37AM NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
10:58:38AM NOT BECAUSE OF EXPENDITURE OF WHOEVER IS IN GOVERNMENT AND
10:58:43AM SO ON AND THE TOP-NOTCH OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
10:58:47AM THE INDIVIDUALS TRYING TO CARRY THE LOAD CAN'T PULL THE
10:58:50AM WAGON ANYMORE BECAUSE THE WAGON IS OVERLOADED.
10:58:54AM THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE.
10:58:55AM BACK THEN, YOU COULD BUY A HOUSE WITH PAYMENTS OF 65, 75,
10:59:00AM $80 A MONTH.
10:59:01AM YOU CAN'T EVEN RIDE THE BUS FOR $80 A MONTH.
10:59:05AM SO WHAT I AM SAYING, LET'S FACE REALITY.
10:59:08AM AND REALITY IS, EVERYTHING IS OVERPRICED.
10:59:11AM SO DON'T CATCH A COLD.
10:59:14AM BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, YOU WILL BE IN TROUBLE.
10:59:17AM THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT -- THAT WE ARE FACING IN THIS
10:59:19AM COUNTRY.
10:59:20AM THE WHOLE WORLD IS FACING IN THIS COUNTRY.
10:59:22AM AND IF WE THINK WE ARE BAD OFF, LOOK AT ANOTHER COUNTRY AND
10:59:28AM COMPARE YOURSELF TO THEM, AND YOU ARE NOT AS BAD OFF AS YOU
10:59:32AM THINK.
10:59:32AM ANYWAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:59:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:59:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:59:37AM I LIKE TO COMPARE IN THE HISTORIC YBOR CITY MODEL.
10:59:42AM BUSINESSES ON THE TOP FLOOR AND PEOPLE LIVE UP TOP.
10:59:46AM THE BARBER ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT HAS HIS PLACE BELOW, BUT
10:59:50AM ELIMINATING A LOT OF COST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE IN THAT
10:59:53AM LIVE-WORK ENVIRONMENT.
10:59:55AM AND YOU CREATE BETTER OPPORTUNITIES WHILE CUTTING THE COST
10:59:58AM OF LIVING OVERALL BECAUSE NOT SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY.
11:00:02AM AT THE SAME TIME, IT CREATES A DENSITY, BUILDS A CLIENTELE,
11:00:07AM BUILDS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND I THINK IT WORKS.
11:00:09AM AGAIN MENTIONING YBOR CITY IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE BECAUSE
11:00:13AM EVERYTHING IN ONE, DENSE AREA.
11:00:15AM PEOPLE DIDN'T NEED TO GO OUTSIDE THAT AREA BECAUSE
11:00:18AM EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED WAS THERE.
11:00:19AM AND, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO ALL COMMERCIAL DOWN BELOW WHEN THE
11:00:24AM SERVICES YOU NEED ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND PEOPLE LIVE UP
11:00:27AM TOP, I THINK IT MAKES IT EASIER.
11:00:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. ROBINSON.
11:00:34AM >> THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:00:36AM SINCE WE ARE THROWING CREDENTIAL.
11:00:39AM LICENSED PROFESSIONAL SINCE 1982, MR. CARLSON, I DO
11:00:46AM CONSULTING AND A RELEVANT MATTER FOR HOUSING.
11:00:49AM AND HAVING DONE IT ALL WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
11:00:53AM SEVERAL OTHER AGENCIES AROUND HERE, INCLUDING THE BUCS.
11:00:56AM LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
11:00:57AM I LOOK AT THIS AS MORE OF A PROCESS CHANGE FOR MORE
11:01:01AM EFFICIENCY.
11:01:01AM THE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL ARE HAVING DEALING
11:01:05AM WITH THE -- WITH THE -- I HAVE PROPERTY THAT IS ON AN
11:01:09AM ARTERIAL THAT IS -- RM-24.
11:01:12AM RM-16 JUST LIKE THIS BUT RESIDENTIAL.
11:01:16AM I REFUSE TO KNOCK DOWN MY WOOD FRAMES.
11:01:19AM AND I CAN DO EXACTLY WHATEVER Y'ALL ARE DOING.
11:01:22AM EVEN IN WEST TAMPA, WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE -- A PROGRAM THAT
11:01:28AM THEN COURAGE YOU TO HAVE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM AND TO HAVE
11:01:31AM RESIDENTIAL UP TOP WHERE YOU CAN REHAB.
11:01:33AM MARVIN KNIGHT, HOPE YOU ARE LISTENING TO THIS AND GO OVER
11:01:38AM AND DO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:01:40AM THIS TIES INTO THE LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLEYS.
11:01:42AM LET ME GIVE YOU ENGINEERING REASONS.
11:01:44AM SIZE OF THE TRUCKS LIKE CHARLIE SAID.
11:01:46AM I REMEMBER WHEN THEY USED TO PICK THEM UP OF THE TOP OF THE
11:01:49AM SCAGLIONE HOUSE.
11:01:57AM THE COUNTY HAS NOT DONE AN ASSESSMENT OF ANY ALLEYS.
11:02:01AM THEY COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT ALLEY WOULD BE ANYWHERE.
11:02:04AM WILL BE CLOSED.
11:02:06AM AND PAYING TAXES AND VACATED -- WASN'T VACATED BUT IT WAS
11:02:12AM VACATED.
11:02:13AM ALLEYS ARE NOT DOCUMENTED.
11:02:16AM AND CLOSED, VACATED, YOU KNOW, FLOODING WHICH WE HAD OVER
11:02:19AM THERE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
11:02:20AM LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHAT WEST TAMPA DID LAST NIGHT.
11:02:23AM TUESDAY NIGHT.
11:02:26AM ALLOCATED $250,000 TO BE -- YOU KNOW WE ARE INNOVATIVE IN
11:02:32AM WEST TAMPA.
11:02:33AM WE ARE GOING TO SET THE BAR.
11:02:34AM WE HAVE APPROVED -- AT LEAST NOT APPROVED BY OTHER PEOPLE
11:02:37AM LOOKING AT -- BUT APPROVED ALLEYS TO BE STUDIED.
11:02:40AM THIS GUY SITTING RIGHT THERE MADE A PRESENTATION.
11:02:44AM AND WE SAID -- I MADE THE MOTION WE WILL PUT MONEY ON THESE
11:02:47AM ALLEYS IN WEST TAMPA.
11:02:48AM WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY ARE.
11:02:51AM CATALOG.
11:02:53AM GIVE ME A MAP.
11:02:54AM GIS AND DEAL WITH IT.
11:02:55AM YOU CAN NOT SOLVE AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM WITHOUT HAVING THE
11:03:00AM INFORMATION.
11:03:00AM YOU CAN'T SOLVE A PROBLEM WITHOUT THE GETTING.
11:03:02AM WE NEED TO GET THAT IDENTIFIED WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING, OKAY.
11:03:05AM WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHAT WE HAVE.
11:03:08AM THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE A BALL OF CONFUSION.
11:03:11AM WHY SOME OF THAT -- THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CATALOGED AND NOT
11:03:15AM DETERMINED.
11:03:16AM AND THE CITY WILL TELL YOU THEY DON'T HAVE A STANDARD FOR
11:03:18AM ALLEY SURFACE.
11:03:19AM WE GOT TO DEAL WITH THAT.
11:03:21AM SOME ALLEYS ARE BRICK.
11:03:22AM SOME ALLEYS ARE GRAVEL.
11:03:24AM THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GOT OUT THERE.
11:03:26AM OKAY.
11:03:26AM SO WE DECIDE AS ENGINEERS -- WE ARE SMART GUYS.
11:03:29AM LET'S JUST START WITH DOCUMENTING WHAT WE HAVE.
11:03:32AM FINDING OUT WHAT CONDITION THEY ARE IN.
11:03:34AM GENERATE A MAP THAT SHOWS EVERY ONE OF THEM, AT LEAST IN
11:03:39AM OUR CRA AND PUT $250,000 UP AND MOTION PASSED
11:03:46AM UNANIMOUSLY TO GIVE IT UP.
11:03:48AM WE ARE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THESE ALLEYS BECAUSE --
11:03:52AM DEPENDS.
11:03:52AM IT IS SITUATIONAL.
11:03:54AM WE ARE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT LIKE YBOR CITY AND WE DON'T
11:03:58AM WANT TO LOSE SOME OF THAT FABRIC.
11:04:00AM I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT LET'S HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON
11:04:03AM ALLEYS.
11:04:04AM BUT THIS THING IS ABOUT TRYING TO -- TO MAKE EFFICIENCY FROM
11:04:11AM -- HAVING SPECIFIED USE TO HAVING A SPECIAL USE.
11:04:14AM ON THIS ONE, THEY COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT THE DISCUSSION
11:04:18AM THAT YOU WERE HAVING -- THIS IS ADDRESSING THE PROCESS OF
11:04:22AM MAKING THINGS MORE EFFICIENT.
11:04:23AM BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT NOW THAT
11:04:27AM YOU GUYS HAVE THE GIST OF WHAT IS GOING ON, YOU SEE THAT WE
11:04:30AM HAVE GOT A LOT OF PROCESSES.
11:04:32AM AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO -- WE DON'T HAVE THE
11:04:36AM TIME LIKE WE USED TO HAVE.
11:04:37AM ALL THIS STUFF MOVING IN.
11:04:38AM THE MORE YOU MAKE PROCESS EFFICIENT, THE BETTER IT IS GOING
11:04:44AM TO BE AND THEN HAVE THE SUBSTANTIVE.
11:04:47AM SUFFICIENCY.
11:04:49AM THAT IS WHY I CAME DOWN HERE.
11:04:51AM I HAVE PLENTY TO DO.
11:04:52AM THE ALLEYS, WEST TAMPA CRA CAC IS WAY AHEAD OF Y'ALL.
11:05:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. HAGAN.
11:05:02AM >> NATHAN HAGAN.
11:05:03AM THAT WAS AN AWESOME COMMENT.
11:05:05AM I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING THAT I
11:05:08AM NOTICE AS SOMEONE WHO WATCHES THESE MEETINGS A LOT AND TALK
11:05:11AM TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:05:12AM THERE IS -- WE HAVE DEVELOPED A CULTURE.
11:05:15AM BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR PD PROCESS OF THE BEST EMBODIMENT OF
11:05:21AM THAT.
11:05:21AM WE SEE -- WE LOOK AT -- WE ASK OURSELVES HOW CAN WE SOLVE
11:05:25AM THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
11:05:27AM AND CONSISTENTLY, THE ANSWER IS, OR THE INCENTIVES HAVE A
11:05:33AM LINE -- JUST -- AS I NOTICED THE ANSWER IS PROCESS.
11:05:37AM WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.
11:05:39AM WE WANT TO ADD MORE PROCESS TO CATCH BAD THINGS IN -- AS
11:05:43AM THEY GO.
11:05:43AM WHEN I WORK WITH NEIGHBORHOODS, LET'S SAY I AM SUPPORTING A
11:05:48AM PROJECT AND THEY ARE FIGHTING A PROJECT.
11:05:50AM WE ALL AGREE THAT THE CODE NEEDS TO BE BETTER.
11:05:52AM BUT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
11:05:55AM ALL WE CAN DO IS TALK OF THE PROCESS WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF.
11:05:59AM I WOULD SAY GENERALLY THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE VERY
11:06:02AM AGGRESSIVE AT TAKING STEPS TO REDUCE PROCESS.
11:06:06AM SO THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED
11:06:10AM WHICH IS OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND EVERYBODY IF YOU ARE
11:06:13AM A DEVELOPER, ADVOCATE AND ELECTED OFFICIAL.
11:06:18AM NOTHING LIKES IT.
11:06:19AM WE WANT TIME FOR CHANGES AND SO MUCH TIME SPENT ON PROCESS.
11:06:23AM WE ALSO -- YOU KNOW, ON THAT LINE, WE TALKED A LOT OF
11:06:27AM SUBSEQUENT POLICY WITH THIS IS PROCESS.
11:06:29AM WE OPENED PANDORA'S BOX AND COMMENT IN A LITTLE BIT.
11:06:33AM FLORIDA RISING IN THE TENANT UNIT DON'T SHOW UP FOR THESE
11:06:39AM MEETINGS, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMBER
11:06:42AM YOU LOOK AT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE RENTERS.
11:06:46AM IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMP PLAN CHANGES COMING UP,
11:06:50AM THERE IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE RENTER AS SOON AS THE FUTURE.
11:06:52AM SO -- RENTERS IN THE FUTURE.
11:06:56AM THIS AS FAR AS MY UNDERSTANDING HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED, NOT A
11:07:00AM CHANGE IN WHERE YOU CAN DO RM-24 ON COMMERCIAL CITYWIDE.
11:07:04AM SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN DO THAT -- ANY COMMERCIAL ZONING
11:07:08AM ANYWHERE CITYWIDE.
11:07:09AM ALL THIS DOES IS IMPROVE THE PROCESS BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT
11:07:15AM SOMETHING THAT I CAN NEVER INSTITUTE ENOUGH.
11:07:18AM BUILDING A HOUSING COMPLEX THAT HOUSES 500 PEOPLE.
11:07:21AM WE ARE AFRAID 10 OR 15 YEARS NEIGHBORS WILL SAY THESE 500
11:07:27AM NEIGHBORS DESTROYED MY LIFE.
11:07:28AM NOBODY IN THAT 300-UNIT BUILDING EVEN KNOWS THERE IS A
11:07:32AM PROBLEM.
11:07:33AM THEY APPRECIATE THE FACT THEY HAVE HOUSING.
11:07:34AM SO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, HOMEOWNERS SHOULD NOT RUN THE CITY.
11:07:42AM THE CITY IS NOT MAJORITY HOMEOWNERS ANYMORE.
11:07:46AM WE SHOULD SISTER THAT WITH MULTIFAMILY AND WHETHER IT
11:07:49AM DESTROYS MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALL OVER THE PLACE.
11:07:51AM THE TRUTH IS PEOPLE NEED HOUSING.
11:07:54AM THE DATA YOU SHOWED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, MORE HOUSING
11:07:58AM SOLVES IT.
11:07:58AM AND WE NEEDS TO DO THINGS LIKE FIX THE CODE AND HAVE
11:08:02AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUSES THAT ACTUALLY PEOPLE TAKE
11:08:05AM ADVANTAGE OF.
11:08:06AM I WILL STOP THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW I CAN TALK FOREVER.
11:08:09AM I WILL BE UP 234 A FEW MINUTES.
11:08:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:08:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY -- I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ABOUT
11:08:16AM PROCESS.
11:08:17AM AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MAKING THE PROCESS EASIER, BUT I
11:08:21AM DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SAFEGUARDS ON IT.
11:08:25AM AND THAT IS THE CONCERN THAT I AM SEEING.
11:08:27AM AND SINCE I AM NOT AN EXPERT AT THIS, I AM ASKING HOW DO WE
11:08:31AM ADD THAT SAFEGUARD UNTIL WE GET THE CODE THAT WE WANT, WHICH
11:08:37AM I KNOW IS A MUCH LARGER -- OR THE CODE REFRESH THAT WE NEED
11:08:43AM THAT IS A MUCH LARGER PROCESS.
11:08:44AM I THINK THAT IS WHAT ALL OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
11:08:47AM BECAUSE IF THIS IT -- THESE ARE TECHNICALLY ALREADY ALLOWED.
11:08:53AM BUT HOW DO WE STOP WHAT WE ARE ALL SEEING OF THESE
11:08:58AM 500-SQUARE-FOOT COMMERCIAL.
11:08:59AM WHAT IS OUR STOPGAP UNTIL WE GET THOSE CODE CHANGES TO MAKE
11:09:04AM SURE THAT WE GET WHAT WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE OUR ECONOMIC
11:09:09AM DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS HOUSING.
11:09:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
11:09:14AM I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE EXAMPLE YOU KEEP GIVING OF THE
11:09:19AM 500 SQUARE FEET THAT IS IN A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THOSE
11:09:23AM ARE PDs THAT HAVE COME TO YOU TO GET THE BUMP-UP FOR
11:09:28AM ADDITIONAL F.A.R. BY DOING TWO USES.
11:09:31AM THOSE HAVE BEEN -- COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND THIS COUNCIL
11:09:34AM HAS APPROVED THEM.
11:09:35AM AND STEVEN AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MYSELF AND ERIC,
11:09:41AM WE ARE WORKING THROUGH WHAT THAT MINIMUM FOR THOSE REQUESTS
11:09:45AM ARE.
11:09:45AM SO THAT -- THAT IS ONE ELEMENT OF THIS.
11:09:48AM BUT THAT IS COMING TO YOU IT UNDER A DIFFERENT UMBRELLA.
11:09:51AM WHAT THIS IS LIKE I SAID.
11:09:56AM THIS SAY LOWED TODAY THROUGH A SPECIAL USE -- THIS IS
11:10:00AM ALLOWED TODAY THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PROCESS.
11:10:02AM WE ARE ASKING THAT THIS BE FROM A SPECIAL USE PROCESS TO A
11:10:07AM SPECIALIZED PROCESS WHERE WE NO LONGER HAVE TO COME FOR THE
11:10:10AM SECOND LAYER.
11:10:11AM IF THEY ARE MEETING THIS CRITERIA, THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO
11:10:16AM GO TO PERMITTING.
11:10:17AM I CAN SHOW YOU -- I AM HAPPY TO GO BACK AND SHOW YOU THE
11:10:21AM NUMBER OF PDs THAT CAME IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND HAD THAT
11:10:26AM MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
11:10:27AM THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO GO TO PERMITTING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
11:10:30AM NEED A WAIVER FOR X, Y AND Z, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MEETING
11:10:35AM ONE OF THOSE TWO CRITERIA, A SIX TO NINE-MONTH PROCESS, A
11:10:42AM $10,000 PROCESS, ANOTHER HOLD-UP WHERE OUR CODE RIGHT NOW
11:10:45AM SAYS, HEY, IF YOU WERE IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND YOU MEET
11:10:48AM THESE TWO STANDARDS, YOU ARE ALLOWED.
11:10:56AM I AM NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT.
11:10:58AM IF WE ARE ALLOWED UNDER THIS TWO CRITERIA, WHAT IF IT WAS
11:11:04AM EASIER BEING ALLOWED AND I WILL HAVE TO MEET CRITERIA.
11:11:08AM NOT A FREE FOR ALL.
11:11:09AM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE REQUIRED
11:11:13AM NONRESIDENTIAL FIRST FLOORS IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, IT HAS
11:11:17AM TAKEN US 25 YEARS TO GET THE REQUIRED RETAIL SPACES FILLED
11:11:25AM BECAUSE CHANNEL DISTRICT HAS JUST APPROACHED A THRESHOLD
11:11:28AM POPULATION TO SUPPORT THOSE KIND OF BUSINESSES AND MAKE IT
11:11:31AM PROFITABLE FOR THE SMALL BUSINESSES TO GO INTO THOSE SPACES
11:11:34AM THAT WE REQUIRE.
11:11:34AM MANY OF THOSE SPACES HAVE SAT VACANT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS A
11:11:40AM DECADE NO USE IN THEM.
11:11:49AM A GROUND FLOOR WITH A LEASE.
11:11:51AM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
11:11:54AM STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL.
11:11:55AM IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO GO IN TODAY AND BUILDS
11:11:58AM NONRESIDENTIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL ABOVE, NOT
11:12:01AM EVEN A SPECIAL USE.
11:12:02AM THAT IS PERMITTED.
11:12:04AM IT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW FOR THOSE PEOPLE IF THEY WERE
11:12:07AM MAKING THOSE CHOICES.
11:12:08AM WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THE MARKET ISN'T MAKING THOSE CHOICES
11:12:12AM BECAUSE EITHER IT IS NOT LUCRATIVE FOR THE MARKET OR SOME OF
11:12:15AM THEM ARE COMING TO YOU IN THE FORMS OF OTHER THINGS.
11:12:18AM I AM HAPPY TO GO BACK AND POLL HOW MANY COMMERCIAL
11:12:23AM PROPERTIES CAME TO YOU ASKING FOR EITHER SINGLE USE
11:12:26AM RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME PORTION OF
11:12:29AM NONRESIDENTIAL.
11:12:30AM BUT THAT WAS JUST TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL INTENSITY BUMP.
11:12:33AM SO HAPPY TO TAKE THIS DISCUSSION IN ANY DIRECTIONS WITH YOU.
11:12:42AM I THINK OUR INTENT AS WAS MENTIONED TODAY, THIS WAS A
11:12:45AM PROCESS IMPROVEMENT TO LOOK AT WHAT IS COMING TO YOU EITHER
11:12:48AM ON APPEAL, LIMITING THOSE APPEALS.
11:12:50AM IF WE THINK IT IS APROP -- APPROPRIATE AS A CONDITIONAL USE,
11:12:56AM TO TAKE SPECIFIED USE.
11:12:58AM HAPPY TO TAKE DIRECTION.
11:13:00AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THIS IS ON THE HEELS OF A PREVIOUS WORKSHOP
11:13:04AM WHERE WE WERE IN THE MIDST OF HAVING RENT STABILIZATION
11:13:07AM CONVERSATIONS AND WE WERE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF SOLVING AND
11:13:10AM PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS, POLICY CHANGES, AND HOW CAN WE
11:13:14AM CONTINUE TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE.
11:13:19AM SPECIFIED USE IS THE PROCESS IMPROVEMENT THAT CAME IN THE
11:13:24AM HEELS OF A PREVIOUS WORKSHOP WE HAD EARLIER THIS YEAR
11:13:27AM BROUGHT BACK TO YOU TODAY.
11:13:28AM IN FACT YOU GUYS ASKED US TO ACCELERATE IT SO WE COULD MAKE
11:13:33AM THIS -- AGAIN, PROCESS IMPROVEMENT.
11:13:35AM THE OTHER SAFEGUARDS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN ANOTHER
11:13:41AM PROCESS.
11:13:42AM THIS IS ALREADY ALLOWED TODAY.
11:13:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:13:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT TO COUNCILMEMBER
11:13:53AM CARLSON'S POINT EARLIER AND TO COUNCILMEMBER GUDES' POINT,
11:13:58AM WE CAN'T -- YOU ARE SAYING THE MARKET DOESN'T BEAR CERTAIN
11:14:02AM THINGS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT SEEING PEOPLE BUILD
11:14:04AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUT OF CHOICE.
11:14:06AM IT IS VERY RARE.
11:14:07AM SO IT IS OUR JOB TO INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND
11:14:15AM INNOCENT RISE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
11:14:17AM WHILE THIS A PROCESS ISSUE AND MY COLLEAGUES CONCERN.
11:14:31AM IF THEY WEREN'T THERE TO BEGIN WITH, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE
11:14:35AM ANYTHING AND ANY PLACE TO GO.
11:14:40AM THAT IS MY CONCERN AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN
11:14:43AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOUTH BUT HE IS NODDING.
11:14:46AM THAT IS MY CONCERN THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PREPARED FOR
11:14:51AM WHAT THIS CITY IS PREPARING AND AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE.
11:14:56AM WE AREN'T HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE COMING IN SAYING WE NEED TO
11:15:00AM BUILD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:15:01AM WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE REQUIREMENTS.
11:15:09AM BUT THE GROUND FLOOR IS A NO BRAINER.
11:15:12AM WE CAN DO THAT.
11:15:13AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IF I MAY, I WILL TELL YOU BY EXPERIENCE.
11:15:16AM WHEN THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL GROUND FLOOR IN A
11:15:20AM BUILDING WHERE THE -- THERE ARE NOT -- THEIR POPULATION IS
11:15:23AM NOT THERE TO SUSTAIN THE COMMERCIAL IT SITS VACANT AND A
11:15:30AM COST TO -- AN UNBEARABLE COST TO DEVELOPERS SOMETIMES.
11:15:34AM SO WHEN YOU ARE NEGOTIATING THESE DEALS, I JUST.
11:15:42AM YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE AND I DON'T KNOW YOU CAN GET THE
11:15:44AM RETURN YOU WANT OUT OF IT.
11:15:45AM I THINK WE ARE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS IN THIS
11:15:48AM PROCESS IMPROVEMENT RECOMMENDATION.
11:15:49AM I THINK THE SAFEGUARDING OF COMMERCIAL -- COMMERCIALLY-ZONED
11:15:54AM PROPERTY AND INDUSTRIALLY ZONED PROPERTY IS A CONVERSATION
11:15:57AM FOR FUTURE LAND USE AND THE CODE AND NOT THIS PROCESS AND I
11:16:00AM 100% AGREE WITH THAT.
11:16:02AM ONCE YOU GIVE IT AWAY.
11:16:04AM IT'S GONE, RIGHT.
11:16:05AM THAT IS NOT THIS PROCESS.
11:16:08AM AND MAKING IT REQUIREMENT THAT THERE IS COMMERCIAL ON THE
11:16:14AM GROUND FLOOR.
11:16:15AM I WILL TELL YOU DEVELOPER IT IS ENOUGH POPULATION TO MAKE IT
11:16:18AM ECONOMICALLY WORK, THEY GET A BIGGER CONCERN IF THEY HAVE
11:16:22AM SOME COMPONENT IN THERE.
11:16:23AM THEY WILL INCLUDE IT IF THEY NEED TO.
11:16:25AM TO MANDATE AND NOT HAVE IT IN AN AREA THAT THAT POPULATION
11:16:30AM THRESHOLD HAS NOT MADE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL BE DOING
11:16:36AM OURSELVES A SERVICE.
11:16:37AM BUT TALKING OF TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES FOR THIS ONE.
11:16:40AM I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR TO PROTECT THE COMMERCIAL AND
11:16:43AM INDUSTRIAL ZONE AND HOW TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SPACE
11:16:46AM SATISFIED FOR THE BUSINESSES WE ARE RECRUITING AND FOR THE
11:16:49AM OTHER SIDE THE ECONOMIC CONVERSATION FOR INDUSTRIES THAT --
11:16:53AM AND CLUSTERS WE WANT TO HAPPEN, THEY NEED TO OCCUR
11:16:56AM SOMEWHERE.
11:16:56AM IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE ZONING CHANGES WHICH IS NOT
11:16:59AM THIS CONVERSATION.
11:17:00AM IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE ZONING CHANGES MUCH FROM
11:17:04AM INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO JUST RESIDENTIAL USE, YOU ARE
11:17:06AM NOT SAFEGUARDING FROM THAT IN THE FUTURE.
11:17:08AM AND I HEAR YOU 100%.
11:17:11AM WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
11:17:13AM MOTION TO COME BACK AFTER RESEARCH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO
11:17:16AM THAT.
11:17:16AM BUT ADDRESSING EXACTLY WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND COUNCILMAN
11:17:22AM CARLSON'S CONCERN IS NOT IN THE SPECIFIED USE ISSUE.
11:17:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:17:30AM I WILL SAY ONE MORE THING AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON THEN WANTS
11:17:35AM TO SAY SOMETHING.
11:17:36AM THE BIGGEST FEAR THAT WE DO -- OUR RESIDENTIAL SPACE BECOMES
11:17:40AM -- COMMERCIAL SPACE BECOMES RESIDENTIAL AND WHERE DOES THE
11:17:43AM COMMERCIAL PLACE GO, THE COUNTY.
11:17:45AM I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE ANY MORE -- I WANT US TO HAVE
11:17:49AM THIS.
11:17:49AM I WANT THE BUSINESSES TO STAY HERE AND WALK AND TAKE TRANSIT
11:17:53AM AND NOT DRIVE OUT OF THE CITY FOR WORK.
11:17:55AM THAT IS HUGE.
11:17:56AM THAT IS HUGE FOR TAXES.
11:17:57AM THAT IS HUGE FOR QUALITY OF LIFE.
11:18:03AM SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT IS SCARING US ABOUT THIS.
11:18:06AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I GET THAT.
11:18:08AM MY RESPONSE WHEN YOU HAVE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION
11:18:12AM THAT ARE ASKING FOR SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, AS A COUNCIL AND
11:18:15AM A BOARD, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT, ARE YOU SAFEGUARDING --
11:18:18AM YOU NEED TO THINK OF THOSE ISSUES AND BIG PICTURE ITEMS THAT
11:18:26AM YOU IT WANT.
11:18:27AM WE ARE PD CAPITAL.
11:18:29AM WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PDs.
11:18:32AM WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSITIONING AND GETTING OURSELVES OUT OF
11:18:36AM THAT.
11:18:36AM SAFEGUARDING.
11:18:37AM I HEAR YOU LOUD AT CLEAR.
11:18:40AM IF YOU MAKE A MOTION -- EVEN IF YOU DON'T MAKE A MOTION, WE
11:18:45AM WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
11:18:46AM BUT NOT IN THIS SPECIALIZED USE PIECE.
11:18:51AM I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS VERY MUCH.
11:18:53AM THANK YOU.
11:18:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:18:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL APPRECIATE HAVING THAT AS A SEPARATE
11:18:59AM DISCUSSION IF CHAIR CITRO OR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANT TO
11:19:04AM MAKE THE MOTION.
11:19:05AM WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC CRISIS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE PEOPLE
11:19:10AM NOT REPRESENTING OR BUYING HOMES.
11:19:12AM WE NEED TO SOLVE THAT.
11:19:13AM I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN ST. PETE AND
11:19:16AM PINELLAS OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE TAMPA YOU HAVE TO BE AN
11:19:19AM INSIDER OF A INSIDER TO BE INVOLVED IN IT.
11:19:23AM IF YOU HOOK AT THE NUMBERS, ST. PETE EDC RUNS CIRCLES AND
11:19:28AM ST. PETE ECONOMICALLY RUNS CIRCLES AROUND TAMPA.
11:19:33AM THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY
11:19:36AM GOOD JOB OF PLANNING.
11:19:38AM THE ONE MISTAKE THEY MADE, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE ENOUGH SPACE
11:19:43AM FOR COMMERCIAL.
11:19:44AM THE BIGGEST REASON WHY ST. PETE AND PINELLAS LOSE DEALS,
11:19:51AM THEY DON'T HAVE MORE OFFICE SPACE.
11:19:52AM IF THEY PLANNED BETTER AND HAVE MORE OFFICE SPACE, THEY WILL
11:19:56AM GET ALL THE DEALS IN THE REGION.
11:19:58AM WE NEED TO PROTECT THIS PLAN.
11:20:00AM A GO-NO GO.
11:20:02AM PEOPLE WANT TO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, AND I WILL
11:20:08AM MENTION PAR RETIME BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROTECT THAT TOO.
11:20:11AM YOU EITHER KEEP COMMERCIAL LEVEL ON YOUR PROPERTY.
11:20:14AM WE NEED HOUSING, YES.
11:20:16AM BUT WE NEED JOBS AND HIGHER PAYING JOBS AND WE NEED TO
11:20:20AM PROTECT THAT.
11:20:20AM WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN'T IT SHALL AND BEFORE SOMEBODY RUNS
11:20:25AM THE -- AND SAY CITY COUNCIL IS AGAINST DEVELOPERS.
11:20:28AM WE ARE NOT AT ALL.
11:20:29AM WE APPROVE ALMOST ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
11:20:33AM WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS LOOK 20 AND 30 YEARS IN ADVANCE.
11:20:36AM I MIGHT NOT BE AROUND HERE WHEN THE PORT -- AFTER THE PORT
11:20:39AM GETS COMPLETELY PLOWED OVER WITH CONDOS.
11:20:42AM WE WILL LOSE OUR BIGGEST ECONOMIC GENERATOR IN IF THE
11:20:48AM REGION.
11:20:48AM AND 30 YEARS PEOPLE WILL BE UPSET.
11:20:50AM SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE WILL BE REALLY UPSET.
11:20:53AM WHY IS IT -- WE ARE IN A CYCLE RIGHT NOW.
11:20:56AM WHY SO MANY APARTMENTS BEING BUILT AND NOT OFFICE BUILDINGS?
11:21:01AM BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE CAPITAL IS GOING.
11:21:02AM WE TALK TO DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME.
11:21:05AM WHERE THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE.
11:21:07AM DID CONDOS BEFORE 2008 AND NOW DOING APARTMENTS AND NOT
11:21:11AM FUNDING OFFICE BUILDINGS.
11:21:12AM BECAUSE THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE NOT TEMPORARILY FUNDING
11:21:15AM OFFICE BUILDINGS AND DOES NOT MEAN IN THE FUTURE WHEN TEN
11:21:20AM YEARS WHEN CAPITAL MARKET SWITCHES AND LOOKING FOR OFFICE
11:21:24AM BUILDINGS.
11:21:24AM WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR SPACE.
11:21:27AM 10, 20 YEARS, TAMPA WILL BE HERE AND NOT A LAKE OR PART OF
11:21:32AM THE BAY, AND WILL HAVE A VIBRANT CITY THAT WILL BE GLAD WE
11:21:37AM MADE TOUGH DECISIONS NOW.
11:21:38AM THANK YOU.
11:21:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL STILL HAVE TO HEAR FROM PUBLIC
11:21:42AM COMMENTS TO SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE TO THIS, BUT I JUST
11:21:45AM WANT TO SAY BOTH OF THESE COUNCILPEOPLE HAVE A POINT.
11:21:52AM WE DON'T HAVE RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON OUR BOTTOM FLOORS, THEN
11:22:03AM PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO GO IN THEIR CARS TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
11:22:06AM IF WE WANT TO BE A LIVABLE, WALKABLE CITY, PEOPLE SHOULD BE
11:22:09AM ABLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CONDOMINIUMS AND CONDOS AND WALK
11:22:16AM AND BUY GROCERIES OR WALK AND GET THEIR HAIR DONE.
11:22:20AM MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU ON THE LINE TO TALK TO AGENDA ITEM
11:22:26AM NUMBER 5.
11:22:26AM >> YES, SIR.
11:22:27AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:22:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:22:29AM >> FIRST OF ALL, WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS JUST TALKING
11:22:32AM ABOUT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE CITY.
11:22:34AM IT IS CALLED SOUTH OF GANDY, WEST OF DALE MABRY, WE ARE A
11:22:38AM FOOD DESERT.
11:22:39AM WHERE WILL WE PUT A GROCERY STORE?
11:22:42AM BEATS ME.
11:22:42AM BECAUSE MOST OF OUR COMMERCIAL LAND HAS BEEN CHANGED TO
11:22:47AM RESIDENTIAL IN THE PAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS WE HAVE TAKEN
11:22:52AM THE BRUNT OF THIS.
11:22:53AM I CANNOT -- I FAILED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN MAKE BLANKET
11:23:00AM COMMITMENTS TO DENSITY AND IGNORE WE HAVE A CHAA.
11:23:04AM WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF A $500 STUDY OF THE CHA.
11:23:11AM HOW CAN WE MAKE CHANGES THAT WILL DRAMATICALLY IMPACT THE
11:23:16AM DENSITY WITHOUT THE EVIDENCE FROM THAT.
11:23:18AM I AM SORRY BUT S.O.G. HAS BEEN PILLAGED FOR ALL THE
11:23:22AM COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LAND.
11:23:22AM YES, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SU-1, BUT I WILL POINT OUT WE
11:23:27AM HAD A SU-1 IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO THAT WE ASKED FOR CHANGES
11:23:31AM FROM THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS COMING.
11:23:34AM THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T JUST GET TO COME IN AND DO WHAT THEY
11:23:37AM WANTED.
11:23:38AM AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ACTUALLY ASKED FOR SOMETHING VERY
11:23:41AM SMALL, THAT COST PROBABLY ABOUT $1,000 TO HAVE IT DONE.
11:23:44AM AND THE DEVELOPER WAS VERY GRACIOUS ABOUT DOING IT.
11:23:50AM SO IF IT IS DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITHOUT ANY
11:23:53AM INTERACTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT GOING TO BE
11:23:55AM POSITIVE?
11:23:56AM AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
11:23:57AM SO THAT WASN'T -- IT WAS A SPECIAL USE 1.
11:24:01AM AND THEY DID WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO.
11:24:03AM WE ARE NOT TALKING -- I MEAN SERIOUSLY, IT WAS MOVING THE
11:24:07AM DUMPSTER ON THE SITE FROM BEHIND SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
11:24:12AM SO, I AM PRETTY MUCH WITH NATHAN THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
11:24:17AM WE HAVE A LAND USE CODE FROM 1978.
11:24:20AM AND WE HAVE A -- WORK ON A COMP PLAN THAT IS 44 YEARS OLDER
11:24:28AM AND MARRY THEM UP TOGETHER.
11:24:29AM WON'T THAT BE AN ODD SET.
11:24:34AM I AM AGAINST THIS.
11:24:35AM I AM NOT EVEN AGAINST IN FOR THE WHOLE CITY BUT ANYTHING NOR
11:24:39AM THE CHAA.
11:24:40AM WHY?
11:24:41AM BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T EVACUATE FROM COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
11:24:43AM THEY EVACUATE FROM THEIR HOMES.
11:24:45AM THANK YOU.
11:24:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS POYNOR.
11:24:50AM ARE YOU ONLINE?
11:24:51AM SORRY, MISS CARROLL ANN BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE?
11:24:57AM MISS BENNETT?
11:24:58AM >> HEY, CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:25:01AM I JUST WANT -- I KNOW IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY ON TOPIC BY WHAT
11:25:06AM THEY ARE PRESENTING BUT I WANT TO REITERATE SOME OF THE
11:25:09AM POINTS THAT COUNCILMEMBERS MADE.
11:25:11AM THE -- THE JOBS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS HOUSING.
11:25:15AM AND RATTLESNAKE POINT WAS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF COMMERCIAL
11:25:20AM AND INDUSTRIAL THAT PROVIDED GOOD PAYING JOBS AND AN UNIQUE
11:25:25AM PROPERTY THAT IS HARD TO FIND PEOPLE WHO -- BIG COMPANIES
11:25:30AM THAT ARE COME ALSO LOOK THROUGH THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA
11:25:33AM -- NOT JUST OUR PART OF FLORIDA, BUT ENTIRE STATE WITH A
11:25:37AM PORT AND RAILROAD.
11:25:39AM IT WAS UNIQUE.
11:25:40AM IT WAS VALUABLE.
11:25:42AM AND IT COULD CONTINUE TO PAY GOOD PAYING JOBS AND IT IS GONE
11:25:48AM AND NOT GOING TO GET IT BACK AND NOT CREATE MORE LAND WITH A
11:25:52AM RAILROAD AND PORT.
11:25:54AM I AM A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THIS.
11:25:56AM AND, YEAH, MAYBE THEY CAN CLEAR IT UP FOR US, BUT THE
11:26:00AM SPECIAL USE 1.
11:26:01AM I HEARD HER SAY IT REQUIRES NOTICE.
11:26:03AM I AM WANTING TO KNOW, IS THAT NOTICE LIKE A HAZARDOUS TREE
11:26:07AM NOTICE WHERE IT IS LETTING ME KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS
11:26:10AM HAPPENING AND YOU CAN WRITE AN E-MAIL ABOUT IT, BUT THERE IS
11:26:16AM NO VOTE.
11:26:17AM THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC IS NOT REALLY TAKEN INTO COUNTY.
11:26:20AM IT IS BASED -- THE DECISIONS ARE BASED ON WHAT THE CODE
11:26:24AM ALLOWS THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
11:26:28AM AND SOMETHING THAT IS DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY LIKE THE FINAL
11:26:31AM OF THE FTNs AND THE HAZARDOUS TREE.
11:26:35AM THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
11:26:36AM I AM A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THAT.
11:26:38AM THANK YOU.
11:26:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC
11:26:53AM COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:26:54AM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
11:26:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD YOU ACTUALLY ANSWER MISS BENNETT'S
11:27:00AM QUESTION?
11:27:00AM BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD TO AND I FORGOT IT IN
11:27:03AM OTHER THINGS I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
11:27:05AM SO THE NOTICE IS A CONCERN -- AND A CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS.
11:27:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SPECIAL USE 1 WILL COME IN WITH THE SPECIAL
11:27:15AM USE 1.
11:27:16AM WILL HAVE TO MEET THE TWO CRITERIA.
11:27:19AM ON AN ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR STREET AND MEET THE RM-24
11:27:24AM STANDARDS.
11:27:24AM IF YOU MEET THOSE TWO, IT IS APPROVABLE.
11:27:27AM WITHOUT -- YOU MET THE CRITERIA THAT THEN SHIFTS IT FROM
11:27:34AM BEING CONDITIONAL TO BEING APPROVED.
11:27:36AM BASICALLY THE CODE IS SAYING IF YOU MEET THESE TWO CRITERIA
11:27:41AM FOR THIS USE THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, THAT USE
11:27:44AM IS PERMITTED REQUIRES PUBLIC NOTICE BUT THE PUBLIC NOTICE TO
11:27:53AM THE TWO CRITERIA THAT MAKES THE USE APPROPRIATE.
11:27:55AM AND THE PUBLIC NOTICE IS A NOTICE PROCESSED.
11:27:58AM COMMENTS ARE BROUGHT IN, BUT IT IS NOT -- IT'S NOT
11:28:07AM APPLICABLE AS IF IT WERE COMING TO YOU IT AS A PD AND THOSE
11:28:13AM CRITERIA BEING MET OR THEY ARE NOT BEING MET AND THE PUBLIC
11:28:16AM INPUT AND YOU TAKE THAT INPUT IN ANOTHER WAY.
11:28:19AM A PUBLICLY NOTICED PROCESS, BUT IF THE TWO CRITERIA ARE
11:28:24AM SATISFIED, THEN THAT PROJECT MAY BE APPROVED.
11:28:26AM AND THAT -- SO -- SO IT'S HAPPENING NOW.
11:28:29AM YOU ARE NOT SEEING THOSE S-1s.
11:28:32AM WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS, THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN WITHOUT IT
11:28:36AM HAVING TO PAY FOR A SEPARATE APPLICATION AND THE OTHER LAYER
11:28:44AM OF THE ONION TO THE SYSTEM, IF WE SET THOSE CRITERIA IN A
11:28:48AM WAY THAT WE STILL HAVE TO MEET THEM.
11:28:49AM THEY WILL HAVE TO BE MET AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING IN LIEU
11:28:54AM OF IT BEING MET WITH THE SPECIAL USE ONE.
11:28:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO MENTION THAT I WILL MAKE A MOTION
11:28:59AM LATER ABOUT COMING BACK AND DOING THAT SAVING OF COMMERCIAL
11:29:05AM SPACE.
11:29:05AM I WANT TO TALK TO YOU TO GET SOME LANGUAGE.
11:29:07AM GET SOME DATES.
11:29:08AM LIKE I AM GOING TO DO WITH STEVEN ABOUT ALLEYS.
11:29:11AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE OTHER THING I DON'T HAVE TODAY -- I CAN
11:29:14AM BRING YOU BACK OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HOW MANY S-1s HAVE
11:29:18AM BEEN PROCESSED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
11:29:20AM YOU KNOW, TO SHOW YOU THIS HAS BEEN EIGHT PROJECTS OR 108
11:29:28AM PROJECTS.
11:29:28AM I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T MEET THE ARTERIAL
11:29:32AM COLLECTOR ON APPEAL, THEY ARE GETTING APPROVED.
11:29:34AM WE ARE CREATING A TEN-MONTH PROCESS SET IT AS SPECIFIED USE,
11:29:39AM IT COULD BE HAPPENING.
11:29:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
11:29:48AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:30:02AM [LAUGHTER]
11:30:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JUNE.
11:30:07AM WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN SEPTEMBER.
11:30:09AM ABOUT.
11:30:10AM WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
11:30:12AM YOUR PLEASURE.
11:30:12AM WE HAVE BEEN BRING IT AND WE HAVE BEEN PASSING THAT LITMUS
11:30:16AM TEST.
11:30:17AM HERE WE ARE.
11:30:18AM AND IT IS AT YOUR PLEASURE.
11:30:20AM IF NO APPLICATION IS TAKEN TODAY, IT WILL STAY IN THE
11:30:24AM SPECIAL USE AREA AND WILL BE ALLOWED THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
11:30:29AM HAPPENING IN SPECIAL USE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE
11:30:31AM THAT WAY AND THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM EITHER.
11:30:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:30:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THE HARD WORK AND
11:30:39AM BRINGING IT BACK.
11:30:40AM AS MUCH AS WE ARE ARGUING, ARGUING THE.AND NOT ARGUING WITH
11:30:43AM YOU ALL.
11:30:44AM SERIOUSLY ON THIS TOPIC, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:30:47AM I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER MOTIONS THAT WILL BE MADE LATER
11:30:51AM RELATED TO THIS.
11:30:52AM ALL OF THIS IS GOOD INFORMATION AND GOOD TO HAVE A COMMUNITY
11:30:56AM DISCUSSION.
11:30:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:31:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND NOT LEAVE IT
11:31:04AM LIKE A DANGLING PART CIPEL.
11:31:07AM WHICH WAY ARE WE GOING DO WE TAKE THE DIRECTION OR LEAVE IT
11:31:12AM THE WAY IT IS.
11:31:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE JUST RECEIVED AND FILE.
11:31:17AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IT WILL BE INACTION AND WE WON'T DO WITH
11:31:21AM IT.
11:31:21AM JUST UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS FROM YOUR DIRECTION
11:31:24AM THAT YOU HAVE ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH A COUPLE OF TIMES.
11:31:29AM HOWEVER YOU WILL WANT TO PROCEED, YOUR PROCESS TO TELL US
11:31:33AM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
11:31:34AM WE HAVE JUST BEEN BEFORE YOU -- WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH THE
11:31:37AM COMMENTS WE HAVE RECEIVED IN THE TWO MEETINGS THAT WE HAD
11:31:40AM BEFORE.
11:31:41AM SO TOTALLY -- TOTALLY UP TO YOU.
11:31:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK CHAIR CITRO AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
11:31:52AM HAVE MOTIONS FOR LATER, BUT UNLESS THEY WANT TO DO IT NOW,
11:31:56AM WE WILL RECEIVE AND FILE THE REPORT.
11:31:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:32:07AM I WISH TO -- I MOVE TO TAKE THE DIRECTION OF STAFF IN THE
11:32:11AM NEW SPECIAL USE CRITERIA WITH THE MULTIFAMILY WITHIN
11:32:15AM COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ESTABLISHING A SPECIFIED USE WITH THE
11:32:20AM CRITERIA THAT IS LISTED BELOW ON THIS DONE MENTATION.
11:32:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO.
11:32:27AM DO WE GET A SECOND?
11:32:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL SECOND IT, BUT HE BETTER SAY WHAT
11:32:32AM NUMBER IT IS.
11:32:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SORRY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, WHICH IS FILE
11:32:36AM NUMBERE 2022-8-CHAPTER 27.
11:32:43AM AND DEALING WITH 27-282.
11:32:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO.
11:32:49AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:32:50AM ALL IN FAVOR.
11:32:51AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:32:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ROLL CALL.
11:32:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.
11:33:01AM I HEARD THE NAYS.
11:33:03AM MOTION FROM CITRO.
11:33:04AM SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
11:33:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
11:33:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:33:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:33:11AM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
11:33:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
11:33:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:33:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:33:20AM MOTION FAILED WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, CARLSON, VIERA,
11:33:32AM MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
11:33:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND,
11:33:38AM AGAIN, FOR US, I DON'T THINK IT'S YES, DO WE WANT THINGS TO
11:33:47AM GO FASTER, IN THEORY -- I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT THIS IS -- THIS
11:33:52AM IS A TOPIC THAT I THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT WHEN WE TALK MORE
11:33:56AM ABOUT COMMERCIAL SPACE.
11:33:57AM I THINK IF WE HAD -- I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND
11:34:02AM BRING THIS BACK AS PART OF THAT MOTION THAT WE WILL CREATE
11:34:06AM -- AND I WILL PROBABLY BRING BACK TONIGHT, JUST SO WE CAN
11:34:12AM HAVE A DEEPER DISCUSSION ON PROTECTING THAT.
11:34:15AM AND I GUESS WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THOSE -- THAT RIGHT NOW
11:34:18AM CAN HAPPEN BUT, I DON'T KNOW.
11:34:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAKE IT SOONER THAN LATER WHEN IT COMES
11:34:27AM BACK.
11:34:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO TRY.
11:34:29AM SEE WHAT IS AVAILABLE WORKSHOP-WISE.
11:34:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
11:34:34AM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:34:36AM ALL IN FAVOR.
11:34:37AM ANY OPPOSED.
11:34:38AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:34:43AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE HAVE SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ HERE FROM THE
11:34:47AM ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
11:34:48AM I THINK PROBABLY FOR THE RECORD WE OUGHT TO SAY IN ALL OF
11:34:51AM THESE CASES, WE ARE -- WE ARE DESCRIBING -- IN ALL OF THESE
11:34:55AM DISCUSSIONS, WE ARE DESCRIBING CERTAIN.
11:34:56AM SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND FOR
11:35:02AM THE RECORD WE OUGHT TO SOMEHOW STATE THAT THESE DISCUSSIONS
11:35:05AM AND THESE VOTES HAVE HAVING TO DO WITH ANY PARTICULAR REAL
11:35:09AM ESTATE CASES AND THE CASE THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ARE FOR
11:35:13AM ILLUSTRATIVE REASONS ONLY.
11:35:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TO CLARIFY MY MOTION.
11:35:19AM IT WAS FOR THIS SPECIFIED USE; HOWEVER, I WANT TO HAVE AN
11:35:24AM IN-DEPTH GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL.
11:35:26AM AND, AGAIN, PUT THE ONUS ON THE DEVELOPERS IF THEY SAYS IT
11:35:32AM NOT GOING TO BE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO DO IT.
11:35:38AM THAT IS FINE.
11:35:39AM BRING IT TO US AND LET'S US DECIDE ON THAT.
11:35:41AM WE SHOULD HAVE A BLANKET COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN LARGER
11:35:46AM STRUCTURES.
11:35:47AM WITHIN MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES.
11:35:50AM ALL RIGHT, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE NUMBERE-2022-8,
11:35:56AM CHAPTER 27.
11:35:57AM MISS FEELEY.
11:35:59AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, ABBYE FEELEY.
11:36:00AM ITEM NUMBER 6 IS TO ALLOW NONRESIDENTIAL ACCESS TO LOCAL
11:36:06AM STREET.
11:36:07AM THIS IS ONE OF OUR TOP TEN WAIVERS THAT COME BEFORE YOU
11:36:14AM IN PDs.
11:36:15AM A PD HAS NEVER BEEN DENIED ACCESS TO THE LOCAL.
11:36:19AM WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
11:36:20AM AND WHERE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
11:36:23AM THE WEST SHORE OVERLAY ALLOWS ACCESS TO THE LOCAL FOR
11:36:29AM RESIDENTIAL.
11:36:29AM AND THE KENNEDY OVERLAY ALLOWED IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WHEN YOU
11:36:34AM ARE IN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE ARTERIAL OR THE
11:36:38AM COLLECTOR.
11:36:38AM SO WE HAD BROUGHT THIS IN JUNE.
11:36:40AM WE TALKED THROUGH THIS.
11:36:41AM AND WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT IT WILL BE PERMITTED IF
11:36:50AM NO FURTHER THAN 150 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION.
11:36:53AM I DO HAVE TO JUST SHOW YOU.
11:36:55AM THIS IS THE CHICK-FIL-A AND AT THAT HEREBY SHAN INN.
11:37:02AM IT WAS A PD.
11:37:04AM THE FIRST WAIVER WAS ACCESS TO THE LOCAL STREET.
11:37:07AM THE TAHITIAN INN HAS ACCESS TO THE LOCAL STREET.
11:37:14AM THE CODE CHANGES, THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED.
11:37:16AM RIGHT NOW YOU CAN ACCESS THE LOCAL WHEN, LIKE, WHEN FDOT
11:37:22AM DENIES YOU, YOU HAVE NO OTHER ACCESS BUT TO ACCESS.
11:37:24AM BUT THIS HAS COME TO YOU ON MOST OF YOUR PDs.
11:37:30AM YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK TONIGHT -- TONIGHT IS ALCOHOLIC
11:37:33AM BEVERAGE AND ON THE NEXT -- THIS IS ONE OF THE TOP TEN
11:37:37AM WAIVERS GRANTED THROUGH COUNCIL THROUGH THE PD PROCESS THAT
11:37:41AM WILL ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
11:37:44AM THAT UNLESS THEY ARE WITHIN 150 FEET OF THE ARTERIAL AND
11:37:49AM COLLECTOR.
11:37:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:37:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS FEELEY EXPLAINED IT ALL.
11:37:58AM AND HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, I DON'T THINK AN APPLICATION HAS
11:38:02AM BEEN DENIED OR THE REQUEST FOR THIS HAS BEEN DENIED.
11:38:05AM AT LEAST THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER OR EVER.
11:38:08AM SO IT IS A NO BRAINER.
11:38:10AM IF NOT, WE WOULD -- WE HEAR -- WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE
11:38:13AM PUBLIC NOW, BUT WILL BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
11:38:17AM I THINK THIS IS AN EASY ONE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
11:38:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL SECOND IT AND WE WILL FIND OUT HOW
11:38:27AM EASY IT IS.
11:38:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS FEELEY, I ALWAYS RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE
11:38:30AM SAYING AND I STILL RESPECT IT, BUT WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING
11:38:34AM PASSES, IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS UNANIMOUS.
11:38:37AM SOME OF US WOULD HAVE SAID NO ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.
11:38:40AM SOME OF US WOULD HAVE SAID NO ON OTHER THINGS.
11:38:43AM BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, IT DID PASS.
11:38:45AM IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
11:38:51AM ITEM NUMBER 6?
11:38:57AM >> I AM TRYING TO MAKE MY DAY WORTHWHILE.
11:39:01AM SUSAN SWIFT, 3621 SOUTH HIS PER DECEMBER STREET, TAMPA.
11:39:09AM I WILL ADMIT THAT I AM NOT SURE I AM READING THIS DIRECTLY,
11:39:13AM BUT I THINK I AM.
11:39:14AM AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE WAY THE DRAFT LANGUAGE -- THE
11:39:18AM CURRENT CODE SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE ARTERIAL OR
11:39:23AM COLLECTOR.
11:39:23AM THIS IS ALLOWING ACCESS 150 FEET FURTHER ON A TO -- OR OFF
11:39:32AM OF THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR.
11:39:34AM AND I DO AGREE THAT DOT A LOT OF TIMES CAUSE THIS PROBLEM,
11:39:40AM BUT TO THE CHAIR'S POINT, JUST BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN APPROVED,
11:39:51AM THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IT IS
11:39:57AM POTENTIALLY IMPACTING SHOULDN'T BE MADE AWARE OF THAT BEFORE
11:40:01AM IT IS APPROVED AND I ALSO WONDER HOW MAIN PDs WERE JUST FOR
11:40:09AM THIS, FOR THIS ITEM OR DID THE PD ASK FOR A LOT OF TO OTHER
11:40:14AM WAIVERS OR CHANGES.
11:40:15AM IT GOES BACK TO THE COMPATIBILITY EVERYBODY EWE AND THE LAST
11:40:20AM -- THANK YOU FOR MAKING YOUR DECISION ON THE LAST ITEM.
11:40:24AM BECAUSE THIS GIVES PEOPLE WHO HAVE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO
11:40:30AM COMMENT.
11:40:30AM AND THEY MAY ALL GET APPROVED.
11:40:33AM THAT IS GREAT, BUT BY APPROVING THIS PROCEDURAL CHANGE, THAT
11:40:39AM ELIMINATES IT.
11:40:39AM AND MAYBE THAT MEANS THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A
11:40:42AM WHOLE PD.
11:40:44AM A DIFFERENT PROCEDURE THEY SHOULD GO THROUGH.
11:40:46AM I ADMIT, THIS CITY DOES TOO MANY PDs AND THEY TAKE TOO LONG.
11:40:52AM MAYBE YOU CREATE A SEPARATE REVIEW PROCESS.
11:40:55AM MY LAST COMMENT IS, THE WAY I READ THIS, THIS IS NOT A
11:41:06AM CONDITION.
11:41:06AM THIS MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT IS A CONDITION, BUT THIS IS NOT
11:41:09AM A CONDITION.
11:41:10AM THIS IS ACTUALLY ALLOWING AN ALLOWANCE OF -- AND CHANGING
11:41:14AM THE RULE.
11:41:15AM IT CHANGES NUMBER ONE.
11:41:18AM IT IS NOT LIKE A CONDITION.
11:41:19AM SO THAT IS HOW THIS ISSUE ON THE RM-24, I THINK, HAS COME UP
11:41:27AM A COUPLE OF TIMES.
11:41:28AM BECAUSE THIS -- THE MAP -- THE MAP IS BLACK AND WHITE.
11:41:33AM SAYS FUNCTIONAL CLASS, ARTERIAL COLLECTOR.
11:41:37AM YOU ARE EITHER ON THAT MAP OR NOT.
11:41:39AM I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN GET -- HOW A DEVELOPER CAN GET PAST
11:41:45AM THE APPLICATION POINT AND GO TO YOU ALL WITH AN APPEAL OF
11:41:49AM THAT BECAUSE THEIR STREET IS NOT ON THE MAP.
11:41:52AM SO AGAIN, IT KEEPS WATERING DOWN THE INPUT FROM THE
11:41:59AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:41:59AM THANK YOU.
11:42:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:42:01AM MR. HAGAN.
11:42:02AM NATHAN HAGAN.
11:42:06AM THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOUSING SO MUCH AS TRANSPORTATION.
11:42:11AM I WAS TALKING TO JUSTICE BIN THIS THE OTHER DAY AND I DON'T
11:42:15AM WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT A BIG PROBLEM OF HAVING DRIVEWAYS
11:42:18AM ON ROADS LIKE KENNEDY AND FLORIDA.
11:42:20AM MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE DAY A
11:42:24AM GOOD BUS SYSTEM AND MAYBE EVEN BETTER ON THOSE ROADS.
11:42:27AM AND THE MORE CURB CUTS WE HAVE, THE MORE DIFFICULT TO HAVE A
11:42:32AM PEDESTRIAN TRANSIT-ORIENTED RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:42:37AM I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO GO AS FAR AS THEY CAN TO
11:42:40AM PRESERVE CURBS IN THE AREA WHEN WE HAVE IN 50 YEARS AND OUR
11:42:45AM GREAT GRANDCHILDREN'S LIFE, TO ADD TRANSPORTATION TO THOSE
11:42:49AM ROUTES, I THINK THE COMPROMISE ON FOWLER PUTTING IT IN THE
11:42:55AM MIDDLE OF THE STREET INSTEAD OF THE SIDE BECAUSE TOO MANY
11:42:57AM CURB CUTS.
11:42:58AM NOT A HOUSING ISSUE OR LAND USE ISSUE BUT A LONG-TERM
11:43:02AM TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ISSUE.
11:43:03AM I WANTED TO RAISE THIS ISSUE.
11:43:05AM I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON IT.
11:43:07AM BUT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
11:43:09AM >> HELLO, JUSTIN MULLETS, TAMPA HEIGHTS.
11:43:15AM I WANT TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT THIS.
11:43:17AM I AM CURRENTLY A TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANT.
11:43:19AM I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS AT HART.
11:43:21AM SO I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON SOME OTHER ISSUES MORE SPECIFICALLY,
11:43:26AM BUT BUT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND LOCAL MONEY AND D.O.T.
11:43:31AM MONEY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES WITH THE ARTERIAL AND LOGICAL
11:43:37AM IMPROVING THE LONG GAME AND IMPROVING SAFETY AND I'M HERE TO
11:43:41AM SUPPORT THAT AND TALK ON OTHER ITEMS LATER.
11:43:43AM THANK YOU.
11:43:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:43:47AM >> MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU, JOE ROBINSON.
11:43:50AM I SUPPORT THIS AS WELL FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT.
11:43:53AM AND I HAVE PROPERTY, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, YOU NAME IT,
11:43:59AM AND IT MAKES SENSE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO.
11:44:01AM LIKE I JUST TOLD YOU EVEN ON MY RESIDENTIAL, I LOST 50, 75
11:44:07AM FEET OF HISTORICAL GRANITE CURBING AND INTO LONGER THERE.
11:44:11AM I HAVE A CURB CUT ON A RESIDENTIAL NOT EVEN COMMERCIAL
11:44:14AM STREET, OKAY, RIGHT NOW FRONTING ME THAT I GOT TO LOOK AT,
11:44:19AM OKAY.
11:44:20AM SO I AM ALL FOR KEEPING CURBS.
11:44:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU STILL ONLINE WITH US.
11:44:32AM >> YES, SIR.
11:44:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 6.
11:44:37AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
11:44:38AM I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I RECALL THAT THAT CHICK-FIL-A HAD
11:44:41AM A LOT OF PUSH BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
11:44:44AM NOT THAT I DON'T EAT THERETO AND DON'T ENJOY IT, BUT THERE
11:44:47AM WAS QUITE A BIT.
11:44:48AM THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS -- I KNOW YOU
11:44:54AM GUYS HERE KNOW IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY, THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH
11:45:00AM ISSUES ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS WITH PEOPLE BUSTING THROUGH
11:45:04AM NEIGHBORHOODS DOING TWICE THE SPEED LIMIT.
11:45:06AM EVERYBODY IS CRYING THE BLUES, WE KEEP THROWING UP STOP
11:45:10AM SIGNS.
11:45:11AM THEY ARE BEGGING FOR SPEED BUMPS AND SPEED HUMPS.
11:45:15AM HOW IS THIS GOING TO PREVENT THAT?
11:45:18AM WAIT, IT IS NOT.
11:45:19AM GOING TO DO THE POLAR OPPOSITE.
11:45:22AM GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
11:45:24AM I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT -- I FORGOT MY POINT.
11:45:30AM BOTTOM LINE IS, I THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA, UNTIL WE GET OUR
11:45:36AM PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION DUCKS IN A ROW.
11:45:39AM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CUT DOWN THESE PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH
11:45:42AM SIDE STREETS.
11:45:44AM THAT IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CHICK-FIL-A AND I WILL
11:45:47AM BE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO TELL YOU WE CUT THROUGH BEHIND THE
11:45:50AM CHICK-FIL-A AND COME IN FROM THE BACK WAY EVERY SINGLE TIME.
11:45:53AM SO -- AND, AGAIN, I WILL POINT OUT TO YOU, WE DON'T NEED TO
11:45:57AM DO THIS SOUTH OF GANDY.
11:45:59AM THANK YOU.
11:46:00AM HAVE A GOOD DAY.
11:46:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU ON LINE?
11:46:10AM >> HI, THIS IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:46:13AM I AM GOING TO PASS ON THIS ONE.
11:46:15AM I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH EXPERTISE TO COMMENT.
11:46:18AM THANK YOU.
11:46:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:46:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE, A, FDOT
11:46:28AM HATES CURB CUTS AND EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO GET SOMETHING
11:46:30AM THROUGH, IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT AND THAT CAN KILL A
11:46:34AM PROJECT.
11:46:34AM AND MY CONCERN TO GO BACK TO OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION IS
11:46:39AM COMMERCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT YEAH.
11:46:48AM WE CAN ADD MORE STOP SIGNS.
11:46:51AM THAT HAS BEEN MOSTLY SUCCESSFUL.
11:46:53AM HONESTLY EVENTUALLY THE CITY WILL BE A STOP SIGN AT EVERY
11:46:58AM CORNER AND I AM TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT.
11:47:01AM BUT I MEAN JUST AS MISS POYNOR SAID ALREADY USING THE BACK
11:47:11AM STREETS.
11:47:11AM USING THE BACK STREETS BECAUSE DALE MABRY IS BACKED UP.
11:47:15AM WHY IS DALE MABRY BACKED UP, BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO
11:47:19AM TURN RIGHT ON A CURB CUT.
11:47:20AM ANYWAY, I WILL MOVE THIS.
11:47:26AM I DON'T --
11:47:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
11:47:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THE WORDING.
11:47:29AM HOW ARE WE DOING THIS.
11:47:31AM SAY LET'S MOVE IT.
11:47:33AM LET'S MOVE IT.
11:47:34AM I.
11:47:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:47:36AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:47:38AM ANY DISCUSSION?
11:47:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE JUST MOVING TO BRING IT BACK, RIGHT?
11:47:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY, DID MANISCALCO MOVE IT --
11:47:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SECONDED IT.
11:47:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU MOVED IT, I WILL SECOND.
11:47:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, I SAID -- I JUST MADE A COMMENT.
11:47:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: STAY WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MAKING THE
11:48:01AM MOTION AND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SECONDING IT.
11:48:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE MOTION IS TO BRING IT BACK WITH A
11:48:07AM PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
11:48:08AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
11:48:09AM ABBYE FEELEY.
11:48:10AM ABOUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MONDAY NIGHT AND COME BACK
11:48:12AM TO YOU ON FIRST READING.
11:48:14AM I WILL GET TO THE SCHEDULE OF ALL THIS AT THE END.
11:48:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAD A COUPLE OF TO EX-
11:48:20AM COUPLE OF PEOPLE SPEAK IN FAVOR.
11:48:23AM SOME AGAINST IT.
11:48:24AM AND THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON
11:48:28AM IT.
11:48:28AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I FAILED TO MENTION WHEN WE FIRST DID THIS
11:48:33AM MR. BHIDE WAS WITH THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE PULLING DIRECTLY ON
11:48:38AM TO DALE MABRY AT A 45 OR 50 MILES PER HOUR.
11:48:41AM IT IS ACTUALLY SAFER TO THEM TO GO OUT TO THE INTERSECTION
11:48:44AM VERSUS HAVING THE INTERSECTION, THE CURB CUT, THE
11:48:47AM INTERSECTION, THE CURB CUT.
11:48:48AM THIS WAS IN SUPPORT OF VISION ZERO AS WELL.
11:48:50AM AND WE HAD BROUGHT THAT AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION
11:48:54AM IN JUNE.
11:48:54AM SO FORGIVE ME FOR FAILING TO REITERATE THAT WHEN WE CAME
11:48:58AM BACK TODAY, BUT IT WILL COME BACK AS A FIRST READING, YES,
11:49:02AM SIR.
11:49:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION?
11:49:04AM WHERE DOES THE 150 NUMBER COME FROM.
11:49:07AM A STANDARD BY WHAT OTHER CITIES USE.
11:49:10AM AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW FAR THE AREAS THAT YOU CIRCLED
11:49:14AM IN.
11:49:14AM ONE WAS 50 AND ANOTHER 75.
11:49:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT IS BIGGER THAN THAT.
11:49:19AM BECAUSE BY CODE, YOU HAVE BE 54 FEET BY THE INTERSECTION TO
11:49:24AM EVEN START TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY.
11:49:26AM IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND IN WEST SHORE THAT IT IS 150 FEET
11:49:33AM RIGHT NOW AND WE USE THAT TO BE CONSISTENT WHAT WE HAVE IN
11:49:36AM THE I DON'T OVERLAYS THAT CURRENTLY ALLOW IT.
11:49:38AM BECAUSE IN WESTSHORE OVERLAY, KENNEDY AND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
11:49:44AM ALLOWED IN THE DESIGN DISTRICTS AND WE USED THAT SAME
11:49:47AM NUMBER.
11:49:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
11:49:53AM THE IRONY IS WE HAVE TWO PARCELS ON OUR OVERHEAD.
11:49:58AM AND ONE WAS BUILT IN THE 50s.
11:50:00AM AND ONE WAS BUILT 2019.
11:50:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT WAS BEFORE THAT.
11:50:07AM THEY CHANGED FROM A SINGLE DRIVE THROUGH TO A DOUBLE DRIVE
11:50:11AM THROUGH IN 2019.
11:50:12AM HOW THEY HAD TO RE- PD IT.
11:50:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, THERE IS THE IRONY.
11:50:18AM 60 YEARS APART.
11:50:21AM 70 YEARS APART.
11:50:23AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
11:50:25AM ANYONE OPPOSED?
11:50:27AM THANK YOU.
11:50:27AM GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE NUMBER EARS-2022-H-CHAPTER
11:50:38AM 27.
11:50:38AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
11:50:40AM ITEM 7 AND 8 ARE RELATED -- YEAH, I AM, THANK YOU.
11:50:48AM THESE ARE ALL RELATED TO THE ADUs.
11:50:53AM I SEE THE TIME IS TEN MINUTES TO NOON.
11:50:56AM THIS IS GOING TO BE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION.
11:50:58AM THIS IS THE LAST ITEM RELATED TO TEXT CHANGES CREATING THE
11:51:02AM SPECIFIED USE FOR THE ADUs FROM THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM
11:51:06AM THE PUBLIC.
11:51:07AM I THINK IT MAY TAKE A BIT.
11:51:09AM SO I JUST WANT TO ENSURE IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO
11:51:12AM MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AT THIS TIME.
11:51:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A HARD STOP AT 12:30.
11:51:17AM DO WE KNOW THEN I WILL TELL YOU WHAT -- LET'S -- LET'S DO --
11:51:28AM LET'S DO THEN -- MOVE ON TO 15.
11:51:35AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, NICOLE TRAVIS,
11:51:42AM DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC DON'T.
11:51:47AM ROB ROSNER AND ALIS DRUMGO WILL PRESENT.
11:51:53AM AND WE WILL GET IT TO YOU BEFORE YOU GO TO YOUR LUNCHTIME.
11:51:57AM THANK YOU.
11:51:58AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:52:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD MORNING.
11:52:06AM >> THANK YOU.
11:52:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU.
11:52:08AM >>ALIS DRUMGO: ALIS DRUMGO, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC
11:52:14AM COMMUNITY.
11:52:15AM AS ADMINISTRATOR TRAVIS DID A REPORT ON BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
11:52:21AM IN JUNE YOU ASKED FOR THIS TO COME BEFORE YOU AND WE HAVE A
11:52:25AM DRAFT OF THAT TODAY.
11:52:26AM STAFF LOOKED AT DIFFERENT ORDINANCE FROM ST. PETE TO
11:52:30AM DETROIT, MIAMI, AND ALSO CINCINNATI.
11:52:32AM AND WE PUT THAT TOGETHER TO SEE HOW IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE
11:52:36AM HERE IN TAMPA.
11:52:37AM WHAT YOU WILL HEAR IS A PRESENTATION PROGRAMMABILITY ON WHAT
11:52:40AM THE COMMUNITY I AGREEMENT COULD LOOK LIKE.
11:52:43AM ROB ROSNER WILL PRESENT THAT TO YOU AND AFTER THAT OUR
11:52:49AM ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ WILL PRESENT
11:52:53AM THREE THINGS.
11:52:53AM THE ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHES THE CDA.
11:52:56AM SHE HAS THE RESOLUTION THAT WILL CREATE THE COMMUNITY
11:52:59AM BENEFIT ADVISORY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE COMPLIANCE
11:53:04AM WITH THE CDA.
11:53:06AM OPINIONED THE THIRD ITEM OF APPROVING THE CDA AN INFORMATION
11:53:11AM SHEET WHICH IS SET OF GUIDELINES THAT WILL GUIDE THE
11:53:14AM COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPERS IN COLLABORATING THROUGHOUT THE
11:53:17AM PROCESS.
11:53:17AM AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, OUR GOAL WILL BE TO PROVIDE
11:53:21AM YOU WITH DATES TO SET IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT WAY WE CAN
11:53:24AM MOVE IT FORWARD WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE ASKED
11:53:26AM FOR.
11:53:26AM I WILL TAKE A SEAT AND BE TAKING A BUNCH OF NOTES THROUGHOUT
11:53:29AM THE PRESENTATION AND SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK THAT WE
11:53:32AM NEED TO INCORPORATE BEFORE WE MOVE THAT FORWARD.
11:53:35AM WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ROB.
11:53:38AM AND HE WILL KICK IT TO SUSAN.
11:53:39AM >> THANK YOU.
11:53:40AM CAN WE PULL THE PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE?
11:53:47AM GOOD MORNING, CHAIR CITRO AND COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:53:50AM I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ON THE COMMUNITY
11:53:53AM BENEFITS ORDINANCE.
11:53:55AM JUST TO GO OVER THIS.
11:54:00AM WE JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE PROCESS THAT WE TOOK THROUGH
11:54:05AM HOLDING PUBLIC MEETINGS IN MAY.
11:54:07AM AND WE HELD TWO OF THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENTS.
11:54:13AM AND WE HELD A SURVEY AS WELL.
11:54:15AM AND THE SURVEY RESULTS AND JUST SHARING THIS TO REFRESH
11:54:18AM WHERE WE HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST YEAR THROUGH JUNE AND
11:54:21AM THROUGH OUR DIFFERENT PROCESSES OVER MAY AND THOSE TIMES.
11:54:25AM THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO CREATE A MECHANISM TO GET
11:54:29AM THE CBA ITEMS INTO A CBA AGREEMENT.
11:54:34AM AND OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY BEFORE PROJECTS
11:54:39AM HIT THE GROUND -- COME OUT OF THE GROUND AND HAVE MORE INPUT
11:54:42AM FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THAT.
11:54:44AM SO WITH THAT, THE APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO --
11:54:49AM APPLIES TO EVERYTHING THAT IS A P-3, A PUBLIC-PRIVATE
11:54:54AM PARTNERSHIP.
11:54:55AM TO -- APOLOGIZE HERE.
11:54:58AM MY NOTES HAVE MOVED AROUND.
11:54:59AM TO MAKE THOSE -- IF WE ARE PROVIDING AN INCENTIVE TO MAKE IT
11:55:03AM FEASIBLE.
11:55:04AM AND SO WITH THAT, THE PROGRAM ONLY APPLIES TO
11:55:08AM CONSTRUCTION-RELATED ACTIVITIES AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE
11:55:11AM REHABILITATION, RENOVATION, REDEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION.
11:55:15AM IT WILL BE ON THE CONSTRUCTION VALUE.
11:55:19AM WITH THAT -- AND IT DOESN'T -- IF A PROGRAM APPLIES TO TOE
11:55:22AM STALL CONSTRUCTION VALUE OF THE OVERALL REGARDLESS OF THE
11:55:26AM PHASING.
11:55:26AM WE COULDN'T PHASE IT JUST TO GET IT OUT OF IT.
11:55:29AM ONE OF THE REASONS TO PUT IT IN THERE.
11:55:31AM WOULD NOT APPLY TO CITY LED PROJECTS WHICH IS ALREADY UNDER
11:55:34AM A DIFFERENT SET OF ORDINANCES FOR PROCUREMENT AND
11:55:37AM CONSTRUCTION POLICIES.
11:55:38AM SO MUCH IT GETS INITIATED BASED ON PROJECTS THAT ARE $2
11:55:44AM MILLION OR MORE.
11:55:45AM AND IF THE CITY IS PROVIDING -- PROVIDING A BENEFIT OF 25%
11:55:50AM OF THAT WHICH IS ABOUT $500,000.
11:55:53AM AND WE GO THROUGH A TIERED PROCESS.
11:55:55AM SO WITH THAT IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY APPLY IF IT IS $10
11:56:05AM MILLION OR MORE AND THOSE CAN GO THROUGH EXAMPLES OF THAT.
11:56:08AM PARTICIPATION MAY BE MONITORING INCENTIVES, AD VALOREM TAX
11:56:14AM EXEMPTIONS, REDUCTION OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UPGRADES AND
11:56:19AM TRANSFER OF PROPERTY AT LOWER THAN APPRAISED VALUE.
11:56:23AM AND THAT COULD BE WHAT THE CITY'S WARNINGS MIGHT BE.
11:56:27AM WITH THAT WE DEVELOP THE -- REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO DO
11:56:32AM PREWORK.
11:56:32AM TELL US OF YOUR PROJECT BEFORE WE BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC AND
11:56:36AM THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PLANNING WORKSHEET, A
11:56:40AM COMMUNITY IMPACT REPORT AND HOLDS TWO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
11:56:43AM MEETINGS PRIOR TO ANY WRITTEN CBA DOCUMENT.
11:56:47AM THE FIRST ONE IS CITY INPUT WHERE THEY PRESENT THE PROJECT
11:56:50AM AND THE SECOND ONE WILL BE THE TERMS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT
11:56:53AM PROCESS AND REPRESENT IT TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY.
11:56:57AM WITH THAT I BELIEVE THAT A TIERED PARTICIPATION IS WHAT
11:57:00AM NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
11:57:01AM SO ON SMALLER PROJECTS, YOU WILL BE IN TIER 1 AND STEP UP
11:57:07AM EACH ONE.
11:57:07AM AS YOU SEE, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE PROGRESSIVE.
11:57:12AM TIER 2 WILL HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WITH TIER 1.
11:57:17AM YOU GET TO TIER 3, DO TIER 1, 2 AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.
11:57:24AM THE BENEFIT HAVING A ANY I DON'T REMEMBER THE AND MALL
11:57:30AM BUSINESS INCENTIVE NOT REQUIRED BY A DEVELOPER NOW.
11:57:34AM PUTS IT ON THEM AND INCREASES AT EACH LEVEL.
11:57:36AM WITH THAT WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW SUSTAINABILITY
11:57:42AM STANDARDS THAT ARE ON HERE THAT ARE MENTIONED THAT ARE
11:57:44AM TALKING ABOUT HIGH ENERGY -- HIGH ENERGY REINVESTMENT.
11:57:49AM AND SO ANYWAY, THERE IS A LIST.
11:57:51AM AND MR. JOHNSON WILL TALK MORE WHAT IS IN THAT LIST IN THAT
11:57:55AM GUIDING DOCUMENT OF WHAT THESE LISTS ARE.
11:57:58AM SO WITH THAT, WE LOOK TO HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
11:58:02AM AND THAT WOULD BE SEVEN MEMBERS.
11:58:04AM AND THERE WILL BE TWO IN A STANDING FORMAT.
11:58:07AM A TWO-YEAR TERM.
11:58:09AM AND THEN FOUR THAT COME FROM THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THAT
11:58:13AM AREA AND A HALF-MILE RADIUS WHERE THE PROJECT IS BEING DONE
11:58:18AM AT.
11:58:18AM WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT
11:58:22AM THAT PROCESS IN A MOMENT AND ONE STAFF MEMBER FROM EYE
11:58:26AM OFFICE OR ADMINISTRATOR TRAVIS' OFFICE WILL BE APPOINTED TO
11:58:31AM THAT TO ADMINISTER TAMPA AND ALL APPOINTMENTS WILL FOLLOW
11:58:34AM THE STANDARD APPLICATION PROCESS.
11:58:36AM WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DESCRIBE WHAT THAT PROCESS WILL
11:58:39AM BE.
11:58:39AM SO IS THE DEVELOP WILL DO THEIR PREWORK DOCUMENTATION.
11:58:42AM SUBMIT THAT TO US.
11:58:44AM SET THE FIRST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING.
11:58:47AM PRESENT THE PROJECT USING THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY
11:58:50AM PROVIDED.
11:58:50AM GATHER THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND PREPARE A TERM SHEET
11:58:54AM FROM THAT INPUT.
11:58:55AM WE HEARD YOU SAY THIS.
11:58:57AM COMING BACK TO.
11:58:58AM WE WOULD HOLD A CABC MEETING AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS
11:59:03AM THERE.
11:59:04AM LISTEN TO IT.
11:59:05AM AND IMPROVE THOSE THINGS BECAUSE SOME THINGS MAY BE MORE
11:59:09AM PLIABLE, APPLICABLE.
11:59:12AM AND HAVE MORE WEIGHT.
11:59:13AM ONCE THAT HAPPENS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA AND DEVELOPER WRITE
11:59:17AM THE CBA DOCUMENTS PACED ON INPUT.
11:59:20AM GO TO ANOTHER MEETING AND PRESENT WHAT THE CBA DOCUMENT IS
11:59:24AM AND GATHER ANY MORE INPUT OF BEING EGREGIOUS, MISSED OR
11:59:29AM CLARIFIED.
11:59:29AM ONCE THAT IS DONE, WE FINALIZE AND BRING IT TO YOU FOR
11:59:33AM CONSIDERATION.
11:59:33AM I WOULD LIKE TO STOP HERE AND INVITE SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ TO
11:59:40AM TALK OF THE ORDINANCE AND DOCUMENTS THAT SUPPORT THAT.
11:59:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE SHE GETS TO THE
11:59:46AM ORDINANCE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF IT RELATES TO THE
11:59:50AM ORDINANCE.
11:59:50AM AS IT CURRENTLY RELATES, ROB, WE HAVE A CRA CBA AGREEMENT
11:59:56AM ALREADY, CORRECT?
11:59:59AM >> IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK WITH ME ON THIS AS WELL.
12:00:01PM WE DO HAVE A CBA ORDINANCE.
12:00:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHO WILL THAT RELATE TO THE CURRENT WE HAVE
12:00:07PM IN THE CRA AND NOW WE WILL HAVE A COLLECTIVE CRA.
12:00:11PM WILL THIS SUPERSEDE THE CRA TO HAVE A BLANKET CITY CRA
12:00:17PM AGREEMENT.

12:00:18PM >> THIS ACTUALLY EXCEEDS THAT.
12:00:19PM OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT THE'S CRAS INPUT ON ANY OF THIS AND THE
12:00:24PM MEMBERS COULD BE SELECTED FROM THAT, BUT IT WAS INTENDED TO
12:00:26PM BE GLOBAL, EVERYBODY TREATED THE SAME.
12:00:29PM OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD LIKE ALIS TO SPEAK ON THAT, IF YOU LIKE.
12:00:33PM >>ALIS DRUMGO: I'LL SPEAK TO IT BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE
12:00:37PM HAVE A SEPARATE POLICY, COMPLETELY SEPARATE CDA POLICY FOR
12:00:41PM CRA.
12:00:41PM I KNOW THAT IN THIS CASE WE DO WANT TO HAVE A BLANKET
12:00:44PM POLICY.
12:00:44PM WE WANT THIS TO BE AN UMBRELLA POLICY THAT WE NEED
12:00:48PM THROUGHOUT THE CITY, CRA INCLUDED.
12:00:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOMETHING CRA, ON THIS
12:00:55PM AND THAT ONE, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT WAY THE CRAs
12:01:01PM KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE REGARDLESS OF THE CRA ZONE OR NOT,
12:01:07PM MAYBE NOT PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT CRA,
12:01:10PM THEIR MONEY IS UTILIZED AS WELL, IT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS.
12:01:15PM WOULD YOU NOT AGREE?

12:01:21PM >> SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A SEPARATE THRESHOLD HERE,
12:01:28PM COUNCILMAN, FOR CRA.
12:01:30PM SO LET ME LOOK AT IT FOR A SECOND.
12:01:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
12:01:37PM FIRST WE WERE TOLD WE COULD NEVER ADD MORE.
12:01:39PM NOW IT'S WE CAN HAVE ONE.
12:01:43PM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T -- PUT IT ALL IN ONE
12:01:49PM BLANKET, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE.
12:01:51PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I ALSO THINK OF IT WITH OUR CRA HATS ON,
12:01:57PM WHEN YOU HAVE CRA INVESTMENTS IN BLIGHTED AREAS, WHAT THAT
12:02:00PM THRESHHOLD MAY BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
12:02:04PM YOU KNOW, EVERYONE LIKES TO SAY A RISING TIDE FLOATS ALL
12:02:05PM BOATS. WELL, NOT IF YOUR BOAT HAS A HOLE IN IT, OKAY?
12:02:10PM SO LET US LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ONE POLICY,
12:02:14PM AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE NEED.
12:02:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:02:21PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:02:28PM SO I AM GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE NEXT THREE DOCUMENTS
12:02:30PM THAT YOU HAVE IN THE PACKAGE THAT MS. TRAVIS DISTRIBUTED
12:02:34PM EARLIER THIS MORNING.
12:02:36PM THE FIRST DOCUMENT IS THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD
12:02:39PM ESTABLISH THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS PROGRAM HERE IN THE CITY.
12:02:42PM THE SECOND DOCUMENT IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FORM OF A
12:02:47PM CBA INFORMATION SHEET THAT MR. ROSNER REFERENCED.
12:02:50PM AND THEN THE THIRD DOCUMENT IS A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A

12:02:54PM COMMUNITY BENEFITS ADVISORY COUNCIL.
12:02:56PM SO ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS REALLY ARE KIND OF THE NUTS AND
12:03:02PM BOLTS OF ESTABLISHING THIS PROGRAM AS DESCRIBED BY MR.
12:03:06PM ROSNER IN HIS PRESENTATION JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
12:03:09PM SO IF WE CAN TAKE THE FIRST DOCUMENT, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
12:03:11PM AND YOU CAN JUST WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
12:03:15PM IT HAS SOME WHEREAS CLAUSES ON THE FIRST PAGE.
12:03:18PM ON THE SECOND PAGE THERE'S A STATEMENT OF COUNCIL'S
12:03:20PM FINDINGS, PURPOSE AND INTENT.
12:03:22PM AND REALLY THERE, JUST THE FACT THAT FINDING BEST AMENITIES
12:03:28PM AND PRACTICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY CERTAIN LEVEL OF PROJECTS
12:03:30PM WITHIN THE CITY CAN MITIGATE AND EACH CREATE POSITIVE
12:03:33PM BENEFITS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY THAT
12:03:35PM MAY BE IMPACTED BY THOSE PROJECTS.
12:03:38PM THE SECOND SECTION IS THE DEFINITION SECTION, THAT DOES
12:03:43PM PROVIDE DEFINITIONS FOR THIS ORDINANCE, AND YOU WILL SEE IF
12:03:45PM YOU FLIP TO PAGE 3, THERE ARE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS FOR EACH
12:03:49PM TIER OF PROJECTS.
12:03:50PM THERE ARE THREE TIER LEVELS OF PROJECTS, AND THEY ARE BASED
12:03:53PM ON THE AMOUNT OF TOTAL CONSTRUCTION STARTING AT THE LOW END
12:03:57PM AT $2 MILLION OF TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COST, AND THE CITY
12:04:02PM PARTICIPATION VALUE EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN $500,000.
12:04:06PM THE SECOND TIER WOULD BE PROJECTS WITH A TOTAL CONSTRUCTION
12:04:08PM COST OF $4 MILLION AND CDB PARTICIPATION VALUE OF A MILLION
12:04:13PM DOLLARS OR GREATER AND THEN THAT THIRD STIR OF PROJECT WOULD

12:04:16PM BE TO THE CONGRESS INSTRUCTION COST OF $8 MILLION, AND $2
12:04:20PM MILLION OR GREATER CITY PARTICIPATION VALUE SO ROUGHLY ABOUT
12:04:23PM A QUARTER OF THE PARTICIPATION VALUE FOR THE PROJECT WOULD
12:04:27PM BE COMING FROM THE CITY.
12:04:28PM AND SO THOSE TIER LEVELS ARE SIMILAR AGAIN TO THE WAY THE
12:04:33PM ST. PETE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE STUDIED VERY CAREFULLY, IS
12:04:36PM STRUCTURED.
12:04:37PM AND SO THAT ESTABLISHES AGAIN THE DEFINITIONS FOR THE
12:04:40PM DIFFERENT TIER LEVELS.
12:04:41PM AND THEN JUST BELOW THAT IN THE NEXT SECTION, REQUIRED
12:04:43PM COMMUNITY BENEFITS FOR COVERED PROJECTS DESCRIBES AGAIN EACH
12:04:47PM OF THESE TIER LEVELS, THE REQUIREMENTS THE DEVELOPER HAS TO
12:04:52PM DO.
12:04:53PM SO YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE FOR TIER 1, FOR EXAMPLE, STARTS
12:04:56PM OFF WITH THE FILING OF A CONSTRUCTION PLANNING WORK SHEET
12:05:00PM OUTLINING THE CONSTRUCTION, COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR THE
12:05:02PM PROJECT, REQUIRES THE DEVELOPER TO HOLD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS
12:05:06PM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, REQUIRES THE DEVELOPER TO SUBMIT A
12:05:10PM COMMUNITY BENEFIT IMPACT REPORT WHICH AGAIN ROB MENTIONED IN
12:05:13PM HIS PRESENTATION.
12:05:14PM BUT THIS DETAILS WHAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT COMMUNITY
12:05:18PM BENEFIT IMPACT REPORT, THINGS LIKE THE PROJECTS FISCAL
12:05:22PM IMPACT, IT'S EMPLOYMENT IMPACT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT,
12:05:26PM ANY TYPE OF SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY IMPACTS THAT NEED
12:05:29PM TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT REPORT.

12:05:30PM IT DOES REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S LAND
12:05:34PM DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND OTHER LISTS OF THINGS SUCH AS
12:05:38PM CONSTRUCTING A STREETSCAPE AND PUBLIC REALM IMPROVEMENTS,
12:05:43PM REQUIRING THE DEVELOPER TO ACHIEVE LEED CERTIFICATION FOR
12:05:46PM CERTAIN LEVELS OF PROJECTS AND SO FORTH.
12:05:49PM AND YOU WILL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH HERE THAT THE DIFFERENT
12:05:52PM TIERS KIND OF BUILD ON EACH OTHER, SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE
12:05:55PM SECOND TIER THE DEVELOPER HAS TO COMPLETE ALL OF THE TIER 1
12:05:58PM REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE ADDED ON
12:06:01PM TOP OF THAT.
12:06:02PM AGAIN, IN ORDER TO HELP JUSTIFY OR CREATE ADDITIONAL
12:06:08PM BENEFITS WHERE THERE IS GREATER CITY PARTICIPATION.
12:06:11PM SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN ADDITION TO THE TIER 1 REQUIREMENTS FOR
12:06:16PM TIER 2 PROJECTS, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO ESTABLISH UTILIZE AN
12:06:22PM APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, AND THEN THERE ARE ADDITIONAL
12:06:24PM CITY-APPROVED ITEMS IN THE GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS WHICH WE WILL
12:06:27PM GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER MUST ALSO CHOOSE
12:06:30PM FROM IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE
12:06:33PM ORDINANCE.
12:06:33PM AND THEN FINALLY WHEN WE GET TO TIER 33rd PROJECTS
12:06:37PM AGAIN, THE IDEA OF BUILDING ON EACH OTHER, SO THE DEVELOPER
12:06:41PM WOULD HAVE TO COMPLETE TIER 1 AND TIER 2 REQUIREMENTS, AND
12:06:45PM THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS ACHIEVING A
12:06:49PM GREATER HIGHER LEVEL OF LEED CERTIFICATION FOR AGAIN THE
12:06:52PM HIGHEST TIER OF PROJECTS.

12:06:55PM AND FINALLY, GUIDANCE FOR THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE
12:06:59PM ESTABLISHED IN CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION, WHICH I WILL GO OVER
12:07:02PM IN JUST ONE MOMENT.
12:07:04PM AND THEN THE ORDINANCE, THE NEXT SECTION PROVIDES PROCEDURES
12:07:07PM FOR EVALUATING THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS OF THE COVERED
12:07:10PM PROJECT.
12:07:11PM AND SO THIS KIND OF SETS OUT AND THE ORDER IN WHICH IT
12:07:16PM HAPPENS.
12:07:17PM SO YOU WILL SEE THERE UNDER SUBSECTION B, PRIOR TO THE
12:07:21PM DRAFTING OF A TERM SHEET THE DEVELOPER HAS TO CONDUCT THAT
12:07:25PM FIRST PUBLIC MEETING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN BASED ON
12:07:27PM THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY AND DEVELOPER WOULD
12:07:30PM THEN NEGOTIATE AND GENERATE A NON-BINDING TERM SHEET, AND
12:07:34PM THEN IT PROVIDES A LAUNDRY LIST OF FIVE ITEMS THAT MUST BE
12:07:37PM INCLUDED IN THAT TERM SHEET AT A MINIMUM.
12:07:39PM IT CAN INCLUDE, AGAIN, ADDITIONAL THINGS, BUT, FOR EXAMPLE,
12:07:43PM AS ROB MENTIONED IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT, A
12:07:46PM CALCULATION OF HOW MUCH THE CITY IS GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING
12:07:49PM TO THE PROJECT, THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT ARE
12:07:53PM PROPOSED BUILT DEVELOPER, AND IF THE DEVELOPER IS SEEKING
12:07:56PM ANY EXEMPTIONS TO THE ORDINANCE.
12:08:00PM THE REMAINING TALKS ABOUT THE CDAC WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT
12:08:06PM IN MORE DETAIL IN THE NEXT DOCUMENT.
12:08:08PM THERE IS A SECTION ON THE NEXT PAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR
12:08:12PM EXEMPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE.

12:08:15PM FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE COVERED PROJECT IS GOING TO INVOLVE
12:08:19PM MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS AND AT LEAST 30% OF THE DWELLING
12:08:22PM UNITS ARE DESIGNATED AS AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
12:08:26PM THE NEXT EXEMPTION POSSIBLE IS SINGLE HISTORICALLY
12:08:30PM DESIGNATED PROPERTY INVOLVED WITHIN THE COVERED PROJECT.
12:08:32PM AND THEN THERE'S A CATCH-ALL THAT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO
12:08:35PM MAKE A CASE FOR BEING GRANTED AN EXEMPTION BASED ON THEIR
12:08:40PM DEMONSTRATION TO THE CITY SATISFACTION THAT THERE IS AN
12:08:42PM ALTERNATIVE BENEFITS TO THE ONES THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR IN
12:08:46PM THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THROUGH THEIR
12:08:48PM PROJECT OR THEY CAN PROPOSE OTHER IDEAS, BUT ULTIMATELY IT
12:08:52PM WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT -- WHAT
12:08:55PM THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING KIND OF SATISFIES THE INTENT OF
12:08:59PM THESE REQUIREMENTS.
12:09:00PM SO IT DOES ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN HERE AS WELL
12:09:03PM OF THE
12:09:03PM AND THEN FINALLY, COUNCIL MAY RECALL, OUR FIRST STEPS,
12:09:09PM INITIAL RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST TO REVIEW THE ST. PETE
12:09:12PM ORDINANCE, I PROVIDED A MEMO TO CITY COUNCIL BACK IN JANUARY
12:09:15PM THAT KIND OF DETAILED THE CRA COMMUNITY BENEFITS POLICY AS
12:09:19PM WELL AS HOUR SUMMARY OF OUR REVIEW OF THE ST. PETE
12:09:24PM ORDINANCE, AND AT THE TAIL END OF THAT MEMO, I DID NOTE
12:09:27PM THAT -- IT'S DID CAUTION CITY COUNCIL ABOUT KIND OF
12:09:33PM CONNECTING A COMMUNITY BENEFITS REQUIREMENT TO ISSUANCE OF
12:09:36PM ANY DEVELOPMENT PERMITS SUCH AS WE DO WITH THE REZONING

12:09:39PM APPLICATIONS AND THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID DOING THAT,
12:09:43PM IF YOU DECIDE TO PROCEED WITH THIS.
12:09:45PM SO ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE ORDINANCE, UNDER THE SECTION
12:09:48PM ENTITLED INAPPLICABLE PROJECTS, AS ROB MENTIONED, THIS WOULD
12:09:53PM NOT APPLY TO CITY-OWNED PROJECTS FOR CITY-OWNED FACILITIES
12:09:57PM OR CITY-WIDE PROJECTS, AND THEN THAT SECOND SENTENCE STATES
12:10:00PM THAT THE ARTICLE IS NOT INTENDED AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE
12:10:04PM REVIEWING ISSUANCE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT ORDER BY THE CITY
12:10:06PM INCLUDING ANY REZONING APPROVALS OR ANY QUASI-JUDICIAL
12:10:09PM APPROVES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
12:10:11PM SO THAT AGAIN KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED TO KIND OF KEEP
12:10:15PM THESE TWO ITEMS SEPARATE.
12:10:17PM SO THAT IS THE ORDINANCE IN A NUTSHELL.
12:10:20PM I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
12:10:21PM BUT IF WE COULD MOVE ONTO THE NEXT DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE
12:10:24PM RESOLUTION APPROVING A FORM OF THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY
12:10:28PM BENEFIT AGREEMENT INFORMATION SHEET, AND AGAIN THE
12:10:32PM ATTACHMENT, ATTACHMENT A, IS JUST YOU WILL SEE AN
12:10:36PM INFORMATION SHEET THAT COULD BE FILLED OUT BY THE DEVELOPER
12:10:40PM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY, BUT IT REALLY IS KIND OF A
12:10:43PM NAME, RANK AND SERIAL NUMBER, WHO THE DEVELOPER IS, WHERE
12:10:46PM THE PROJECT IS LOCATED, WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE IMPACTED,
12:10:49PM JUST ALL OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED
12:10:52PM TO BE INCLUDED.
12:10:54PM AND THEN IT JUST PROVIDES KIND OF IN A CHECKLIST FORM,

12:10:59PM ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO GO THROUGH AND CHECK OFF WHAT THEY
12:11:01PM ARE GOING TO BE INCLUDING WITHIN THEIR PROJECT.
12:11:05PM IT DOES PROVIDE FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND
12:11:09PM POSSIBILITIES.
12:11:11PM THE LIST OF THINGS A DEVELOPER CAN CHOOSE FROM, AND IT
12:11:15PM ALLOWS FOR KIND OF AN ACCOUNTING OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
12:11:18PM AND KIND OF BE THE FOUNDATION FOR A TERM SHEET AND THEN
12:11:22PM ULTIMATELY THE NEGOTIATION AND DRAFTING OF THE COMMUNITY
12:11:25PM BENEFITS AGREEMENT THAT WILL COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
12:11:28PM AND THEN THE FINAL DOCUMENT IS A RESOLUTION THAT
12:11:31PM ESTABLISHING THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT ADVISORY COUNCIL THAT WE
12:11:35PM HAVE REFERRED TO THIS MORNING.
12:11:37PM AS ROB MENTIONED, THE CBA MEMBERSHIP WILL BE SEVEN PEOPLE.
12:11:41PM THERE WILL BE TWO MEMBERS, TWO STANDING MEMBERS, ONE
12:11:44PM MEMBER -- ONE STANDING MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, ONE
12:11:47PM STANDING MEMBER APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
12:11:50PM THERE WILL BE TWO-YEAR TERMS.
12:11:52PM AND THEN THERE WOULD BE FOUR MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE BASED ON
12:11:56PM A PROJECT-BY-PROJECT BASIS.
12:11:58PM SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ROLLING MEMBERS.
12:12:00PM YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THE CBAC
12:12:03PM DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT.
12:12:05PM SO THE MEMBERSHIP WILL CHANGE.
12:12:09PM THE TWO STANDING MEMBERS WILL REMAIN THE SAME FOR TWO-YEAR
12:12:12PM TERMS, AND THEN THE FOUR MEMBERS WILL COME FROM THE IMPACTED

12:12:16PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:12:16PM SO TWO MEMBERS, THOSE AD HOC MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED BY
12:12:22PM CITY COUNCIL.
12:12:23PM TWO MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
12:12:25PM SO THAT WOULD BE SIX MEMBERS.
12:12:27PM AND THEN THE FINAL MEMBER WOULD BE A DESIGNEE OF THE DEO
12:12:34PM DEPARTMENT OR ADMINISTRATOR AS ROB MENTIONED.
12:12:36PM SO THAT FINAL RESOLUTION JUST KIND OF ESTABLISHING THAT
12:12:42PM PROCESS AND HOW THE MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED, AND HOW LONG
12:12:46PM THEY WILL SERVE, AND THEN ALSO SETS OUT, AS YOU CAN SEE ON
12:12:49PM THE SECOND PAGE OF THE RESOLUTION, THE CHARGES AND
12:12:52PM RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES OF
12:12:55PM THE CBAC WILL BE.
12:12:59PM THAT CONCLUDES MY KIND OF SUMMARY AND WALK-THROUGH OF THE
12:13:02PM DOCUMENT.
12:13:03PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I OR ROB OR ALIS WILL BE HAPPY.
12:13:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:13:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE A
12:13:13PM BLANKET VOID AND THEN NOT REPRESENTING COMMUNITIES, SO IN
12:13:18PM THE LITTLE TWEAKS THAT'S COMING FROM THE AD HOC MEETING.
12:13:21PM I THINK THAT'S ONE AREA.
12:13:24PM TWO, AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN OR NOT
12:13:30PM WITH THE CRA, I KNOW WE HAVE A PERSON ON THE DOE, BUT IF
12:13:33PM IT'S IN A CRA ZONE, I THINK CRA DIRECTOR, ROB, SHOULD BE A
12:13:38PM PART OF THAT, IF IT IS EFFECTIVE IN THE CRA ZONE, BECAUSE

12:13:42PM THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
12:13:44PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: AND THAT PERSON COULD CAN BE THE
12:13:47PM DESIGNEE AND MS. TRAVIS CAN SPEAK TO.
12:13:51PM THAT IT COULD BE DEO, IT COULD BE SOMEBODY ON STAFF OR SOME
12:13:54PM OTHER PERSON WHO IS APPOINTED BY MS. TRAVIS.
12:14:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW, I THINK DETROIT WAS THE FIRST
12:14:07PM ONE TO COME OUT WITH IT, SO THAT'S WHY I TALKED TO SOME
12:14:12PM FOLKS THERE IN 2019, AND I THINK ST. PETE, AND WE DID LOOK
12:14:17PM AT OTHER AREAS AS WELL, BUT LOOK AT WHAT ST. PETE IS DOING.
12:14:21PM BUT ALL TOGETHER IN THE POT.
12:14:24PM RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE PUT IN THE WORK WE DON'T KNOW,
12:14:28PM BUT WE CAN TWEAK IT FROM THERE, I BELIEVE.
12:14:31PM BUT I'M SATISFIED TODAY, LOOKING AT THAT AD HOC SITUATION,
12:14:35PM AND SEE HOW THAT CRA COMPONENT, THE BLANKET CRA, STAND
12:14:40PM ALONE, OR INCORPORATED AND HAVE IT IN THE CRA IN THE EXACT
12:14:45PM ORDINANCE.
12:14:45PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
12:14:48PM AND COUNCILMEMBER, TO YOUR POINT, DETROIT WAS ONE OF THE
12:14:51PM FIRST ONES AND THEY HAVE SINCE, JUST RECENTLY, ADOPTED
12:14:55PM AMENDMENTS TO THEIRS, SO IT WILL TAKE SOME TWEAKING.
12:14:58PM AND I GUESS I WILL ASK ALIS TO COME BACK UP WITH A TIMELINE.
12:15:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:15:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT
12:15:07PM PRESENTATION.
12:15:08PM I WAS WATCHING IT IN THE BACK AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOST

12:15:11PM IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THIS, AND COUNCILMAN MEMBER GUDES JUST
12:15:14PM TOUCHED UPON IT, WAS THERE'S FOUR MEMBERS THAT ARE SELECTED
12:15:17PM WITHIN THAT AREA, WHEREVER THE PROJECT IS, TWO BY COUNCIL I
12:15:23PM THINK IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT ARE
12:15:26PM AFFECTED BY AND LIVE WITHIN THAT ZONE WILL HAVE THEIR VOICE
12:15:32PM HEARD AND BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO
12:15:35PM BENEFIT OR IMPACT THEIR COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THAT'S THE
12:15:38PM MOST IMPORTANT PART OF CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT, WHERE THERE'S
12:15:44PM THE MOST TRANSPARENCY, AS WELL AS A BALANCE OF 4 AND 2, SO
12:15:52PM THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
12:15:53PM I RECEIVED IN THE PAPER WHEN I WAS LOOKING OVER THIS, AND I
12:15:56PM THINK THIS IS VERY GOOD TO BEGIN WITH AND MOVE FORWARD.
12:16:00PM THANK YOU.
12:16:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:16:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE NUMBERS ON
12:16:07PM TIER 1 AND TIER 2 ARE TOO LOW.
12:16:11PM THE FIRST PART IS TIER 1, $2 MILLION OF THE CITY
12:16:15PM PARTICIPATION, 25%.
12:16:17PM THE SECOND ONE, 4 MILLION, 25%.
12:16:20PM AND THEN IT SAYS 10 MILLION AND 15 MILLION.
12:16:23PM ON THE TWO AND FOUR MILLION IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE
12:16:25PM UNNECESSARILY BURDENSOME FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER NONPROFITS
12:16:29PM AND SMALLER DEVELOPERS.
12:16:31PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BASED ON THE CDD ONE BUT WITH ALL THE
12:16:40PM INFLATION THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THOSE LOWER

12:16:42PM NUMBERS SEEM LIKE REALLY LOW NUMBERS.
12:16:45PM THESE MAY NOT GO IN SOUTH TAMPA, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT'S
12:16:48PM DIFFICULT TO BUY A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR
12:16:53PM LESS THAN A MILLION, AND MOST CONDOS ARE GOING FOR MORE THAN
12:16:55PM THAT.
12:16:56PM SO AS INFLATION CONTINUES TO GO UP, 2 MILLION IS LIKE TWO
12:17:01PM LOTS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
12:17:04PM THE SECOND THING IS THAT I THINK FOR THE MAKEUP OF THE
12:17:09PM BOARD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM
12:17:13PM EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE THE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT
12:17:17PM THROUGHOUT THE CITY, DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT FROM THE PEOPLE
12:17:20PM THAT WE MIGHT APPOINT, BUT DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT FROM
12:17:23PM REPRESENTATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
12:17:24PM I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING FOUR PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD
12:17:27PM BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A BROADER VIEW OF
12:17:31PM THESE THINGS AS WELL.
12:17:32PM THANK YOU.
12:17:32PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DID YOU SAY ONE APPOINTEE FROM EACH
12:17:38PM CITY COUNCIL MEMBER?
12:17:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S THERE, THE TWO
12:17:42PM AND THE FOUR, ONE FOR EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SO WE HAVE
12:17:45PM DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, DIVERSE
12:17:49PM PERSPECTIVES.
12:17:50PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SO THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 14, 13
12:17:54PM OR 14?

12:17:56PM 15?
12:17:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: 13, YES.
12:17:59PM >> IF I MAY SPEAK TO THAT, COUNCILMAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT
12:18:04PM THE NUMBERS ON TIERS 1 AND 2, SOME OF THE NONPROFITS MAY NOT
12:18:08PM BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE NUMBERS, OR MEET SOME OF THE CRITERIA
12:18:12PM LISTED.
12:18:12PM BUT WE DO HAVE SOME -- I THINK THE NONPROFITS FIT INTO THAT
12:18:17PM CATEGORY IN WHICH THEY MAY BE EXEMPT FROM HAVING A YBA BUT
12:18:22PM IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDS ON WHAT THOSE NUMBERS YOU WOULD LIKE
12:18:25PM TO BE, IT'S CERTAINLY THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO ADJUST
12:18:28PM THOSE NUMBERS.
12:18:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT SEEMS LIKE TIER 1 IS 10 MILLION OVERALL,
12:18:32PM BUT MAYBE IT SHOULD BE 5 MILLION THAT THE CITY PARTICIPATING
12:18:39PM 25%, BUT THAT GIVES YOU 5 MILLION THESE DAYS IS NOT A VERY
12:18:42PM BIG PROJECT.
12:18:43PM IT SOUND LIKE A BIG NUMBER.
12:18:45PM I WAS JUST IN RALEIGH ON MONDAY AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT
12:18:53PM MORE MILLION DOLLARS HOMES, AND A MILLION DOLLARS SOUNDS
12:18:58PM LIKE A LOT OF MONEY BUT IN SOUTH TAMPA, IT'S SPREADING
12:19:01PM THROUGHOUT THE CITY, PROBABLY IN YOUR DISTRICT, TOO, THE
12:19:04PM PRICES ARE SO HIGH ALMOST NOBODY CAN AFFORD THEM. IF WE SET
12:19:08PM THIS TOO LOW IT'S GOING TO UNREASONABLY RAISE THE COST EVEN
12:19:11PM MORE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN.
12:19:13PM IT'S NOT JUST NONPROFITS.
12:19:14PM IT'S SMALL DEVELOPERS, TOO.

12:19:16PM THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT 2022 BUILD A DUPLEX OR QUAD OR
12:19:20PM WHATEVER, AND THEY COULD BE AFFECTED.
12:19:22PM >> UNDERSTOOD.
12:19:24PM WE'LL MODIFY THOSE NUMBERS AND FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.
12:19:27PM THEN AS IT RELATES TO JUST THE MEMBERSHIP MAKEUP OF THAT
12:19:30PM COMMITTEE, I THINK PART OF THIS IS THE FOCUS ON THE
12:19:33PM COMMUNITY OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS TAKING PLACE, AND SO OUR
12:19:39PM COMMITTEE, WITH RESPECT TO THE COUNCIL AND HAVING EACH
12:19:41PM MEMBER HAVE MULTIPLE OR INDIVIDUAL SELECTIONS, TYPICALLY THE
12:19:46PM MAKEUP OF THAT SMALL GROUP IS WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE
12:19:49PM PROJECT ITSELF.
12:19:50PM AND SO IF THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK WE MIGHT BE ABLE
12:19:55PM TO TAKE YOU FROM YOU ON HOW TO KEEP THOSE NUMBERS, I WON'T
12:19:58PM SAY LOW, IN ORDER TO LIMIT FEEDBACK, BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND
12:20:02PM THIS IS A VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE AS WELL, SO IT'S VERY
12:20:05PM DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE COMMITTEES,
12:20:07PM AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH
12:20:10PM QUORUMS OR GETTING PEOPLE TO SHOW UP TO BE A PART OF THIS
12:20:13PM PROCESS.
12:20:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND MY COLLEAGUES MAY DISAGREE.
12:20:16PM BUT IF YOU HAVE ONE FOR EACH PLUS THE FOUR FROM THE
12:20:19PM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE BALANCE, BUT
12:20:21PM ALSO PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
12:20:24PM AND JUST MY THOUGHTS.
12:20:25PM ANYTIME WE ARE GOING TO CREATE A COMMITTEE OF ANY KIND, I

12:20:28PM THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE ONE FROM EACH CITY COUNCIL
12:20:30PM MEMBER, BECAUSE IT REFLECTS THE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT, HOW WE
12:20:34PM GOT ELECTED, AND REFLECTS THE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT OF THE
12:20:37PM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
12:20:39PM AND WHATEVER THE MAYOR WANTS ON TOP OF THAT IS FINE, BUT I
12:20:45PM UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ONE, BUT THAT'S MY
12:20:48PM PHILOSOPHY IN GENERAL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE REPRESENTATION,
12:20:50PM DIVERSE REPRESENTATION BY THE CITY.
12:20:53PM THANK YOU.
12:20:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:20:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE BEEN LISTENING, BUT 4, 5, 6 AND
12:21:05PM 7, AND IN EVERY DISTRICT NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE AT -- SO,
12:21:15PM THEREFORE, IF YOU DO THAT, ONE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
12:21:21PM EVEN WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, SOMETHING THAT MAY BE TOMORROW
12:21:24PM GERMANE TO THIS PART OF THE DISTRICT MAY NOT BE GERMANE TO
12:21:28PM THAT PART OF THE DISTRICT.
12:21:29PM SO I AM IN AWE HOW MANY PEOPLE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT
12:21:33PM IN MR. ROBINSON IS SHAKING HIS HEAD.
12:21:36PM AND HE'S RIGHT.
12:21:37PM AND IF HE'S RIGHT, THEN I'M RIGHT.
12:21:39PM [ LAUGHTER ]
12:21:40PM SO WHAT I AM SAYING, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING, AND THE
12:21:43PM MORE YOU MAKE IT THE MORE DIFFICULT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE,
12:21:45PM BECAUSE EVERY DISTRICT IS ALIGNED WITH POPULATION, WITH
12:21:50PM INTENT, AND THOSE FOUR DISTRICTS ARE THE TOTAL DISTRICTS OF

12:21:56PM THE CITY, AND WITHIN THOSE FOUR DISTRICTS, EVERY TIME YOU
12:22:00PM ARE GOING TO MAKE -- THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE CITY OF TAMPA SO
12:22:03PM UNIQUE.
12:22:04PM YOU HAVE THE HIGH-END INCOME TO LESSER INCOME.
12:22:09PM YOU HAVE HIGH EDUCATION TO SOME EDUCATION.
12:22:12PM YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO IT.
12:22:14PM SO IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE IN MY MIND TO REPRESENT THE
12:22:20PM TOTAL DISTRICT WHEN ITSELF IT IS VERY UNIQUE.
12:22:25PM THAT'S IT.
12:22:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:22:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IN THEORY, I LIKE THAT WE EACH GET
12:22:31PM REPRESENTATION, BUT THEN I WOULD FEEL THAT WE WOULD STILL
12:22:34PM NEED MORE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
12:22:36PM I FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITY WHERE THE PROJECT IS HAPPENING
12:22:40PM SHOULD HAVE MORE SAY.
12:22:43PM JUST OVERALL.
12:22:44PM BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS IMPACTING THEM.
12:22:46PM THAT'S MY CONCERN.
12:22:48PM WITH EXPANDING.
12:22:54PM THE MAKEUP.
12:22:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:23:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN DETROIT AND OVER THE AREAS, THEY CAME
12:23:05PM FROM THAT COMMUNITY, THAT MAKEUP, CORRECT?
12:23:09PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
12:23:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE EFFECTED AREA.

12:23:13PM >> CORRECT.
12:23:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
12:23:18PM IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, TIER 1, SECTION 7.
12:23:24PM TWO, I SEE THE WORD "SHALL" ALL OVER THIS ORDINANCE, EXCEPT
12:23:28PM WHEN IT COMES TO ALTERNATIVE GREEN BUILDING CERTIFICATIONS
12:23:35PM AND RESILIENCY NUMBERS MEASURES, "MAY."
12:23:42PM CAN WE USE STRONGER LANGUAGE?
12:23:46PM SHOULD?
12:23:46PM SHALL?
12:23:53PM IF WE ARE GOING TO BE A RESILIENT CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE
12:23:56PM CITY IS INVOLVED.
12:23:59PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: PARAGRAPH 7?
12:24:04PM I SEE WHERE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
12:24:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:24:07PM LEED BUILDING CERTIFICATIONS AND RESILIENCY.
12:24:10PM USE A LITTLE STRONGER LANGUAGE, SHALL OR SHOULD.
12:24:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
12:24:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT DOES, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE THAT
12:24:24PM RESILIENT CITY.
12:24:25PM PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
12:24:35PM I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING STRONGER.
12:24:36PM I'M SURE LEGAL WILL LOOK AT IT AND COME BACK.
12:24:39PM BECAUSE WE ARE JUST LISTENING TO THIS TODAY, AREN'T WE?
12:24:42PM WE AREN'T GOING TO TAKE ANY ACTION.
12:24:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:

12:24:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND I CAN ALWAYS CALL THEM ON THE PHONE AND
12:24:50PM TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT.
12:24:51PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:24:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE COMING BACK WITH SOME OF THE
12:24:55PM SUGGESTED CORRECTIONS TO COME IN AND MOVE FOR A HEARING,
12:24:58PM CORRECT?
12:24:59PM >> SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY TO TAKE
12:25:01PM FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE TODAY AND WE HEAR SOME OF THE
12:25:03PM FEEDBACK THAT YOU SHARED WITH US, AND WE CAN MAKE THOSE
12:25:06PM PROPOSED CHANGES.
12:25:07PM IDEALLY, WE HAVE NOVEMBER 17th AS A PROPOSED HEARING
12:25:10PM THAT WE WILL BE OPENING IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND TAKE
12:25:13PM THAT COMMENT AS WELL SO WE DON'T DELAY THIS PROCESS.
12:25:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:25:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW WE STILL HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT
12:25:23PM FOR THIS.
12:25:24PM MR. ROBINSON.
12:25:25PM >> JOE ROBINSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:25:28PM THIS IS DEAR TO MY HEART.
12:25:31PM CHARLIE, YOU ARE RIGHT.
12:25:32PM LET MET EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU.
12:25:34PM FIRST OF ALL, NONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS WAS ONLINE FOR THE
12:25:37PM PUBLIC TO LOOK AT.
12:25:40PM ZERO.
12:25:42PM I CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW IT.

12:25:45PM PUBLIC NEVER GOT THESE DOCUMENTS.
12:25:47PM THEY SAY THEY WANT YOU TO APPROVE THESE DOCUMENTS.
12:25:51PM SO PUT THE DOCUMENT, BECAUSE I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH SOMETHING
12:25:55PM I CAN'T SEE.
12:25:59PM NEXT THING IS, IF HANNA AVENUE WAS THE AREA, IT'S A PUBLIC
12:26:06PM PROPERTY BEEN DONE BY THE CITY, I GUESS THAT DON'T APPLY.
12:26:11PM IT DON'T APPLY TO THIS CBA.
12:26:15PM BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS DEVELOP A CITY PROPERTY.
12:26:18PM AND THAT PROPERTY IS WORTH SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS.
12:26:23PM COUNCILMAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
12:26:26PM LISTEN, YOU ARE RIGHT, THE VALUES, YOU GOT A SMALL CONTRACT
12:26:29PM THAT COMES IN HERE AND DOES A MILLION DOLLAR, YOU GOT TO GO
12:26:33PM THROUGH A CBA?
12:26:35PM I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
12:26:36PM I THINK WE GOT -- AND THEN CHARLIE, YOU ARE RIGHT, WE ARE
12:26:39PM ALL OVER -- YOU MAY HAVE TEN OF THESE PROJECTS GOING.
12:26:42PM YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TEN OF THESE COMMITTEES GOING ON?
12:26:45PM YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TEN OF THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING ON IN
12:26:48PM THE CITY, ALL THE WAY FROM NEW TAMPA, ALL THE WAY TO SOUTH
12:26:51PM TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, AND IN THE MIDDLE?
12:26:55PM HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE -- YOU GOING TO HAVE TWO
12:26:58PM COMMITTEES FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE, YOU SAY YOU WANT SOMEONE
12:27:02PM FROM ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
12:27:03PM THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OUT, MAN.
12:27:05PM BECAUSE YOU ALL GOT TO SIT IN A CORNER, GOT TO MAKE OUT AN

12:27:09PM APPLICATION, HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS, SO BUT WE GOT TO DO ALL
12:27:14PM OF THAT BY THE TIME, YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT TOO MUCH
12:27:19PM STUFF ON THE AGENDA SO YOU NEED TO APPOINT PEOPLE FROM THE
12:27:22PM PUBLIC AND YOU KNOW -- WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS THRESHOLD.
12:27:25PM WE NEED TO HAVE MAYBE ONE THING, AND PICK SOME PEOPLE LIKE
12:27:30PM ONE FROM EACH OF THE SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICTS, AND THEN ADD
12:27:34PM THAT.
12:27:34PM THIS IS GOING TO BE HOCUS-POCUS.
12:27:38PM GET THE PEOPLE ON THE CRA.
12:27:41PM AND THEN PEOPLE THAT OWN BUSINESS IN THE CRA IS NOT GOING TO
12:27:46PM BE SITTING ON THAT.
12:27:47PM THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I AM DEALING WITH THAT.
12:27:49PM BUT LIKE I SAID, THOSE NUMBERS IS AN ISSUE.
12:27:54PM THIS WAS NOT -- THESE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT UP FOR PUBLIC
12:27:58PM REVIEW.
12:27:59PM I KNOW HOWEVER YOU DO, LET'S MOVE IT, DON'T STOP IT, BUT WE
12:28:02PM WILL DIG INTO IT ONCE WE HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT IN
12:28:05PM WRITING, OKAY.
12:28:09PM RIGHT NOW SAY LET'S MOVE.
12:28:10PM HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME WORK AROUND WITH THIS COMMITTEE, HOW
12:28:13PM IT'S GOING TO BE, AND THE REPRESENTATION, AND THE EXAMPLE I
12:28:16PM GIVE WHERE THIS WOULD APPLY, WRONG GUY AND YOU ARE RIGHT,
12:28:22PM MR. GUDES, HOW DOES THE CRA COMMUNITY BENEFIT, AND I KNOW
12:28:27PM SOMEWHERE EXISTS, TIE INTO THIS SO-CALLED GLOBAL FOR THE
12:28:30PM CITY OF TAMPA?

12:28:32PM YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK BUT WE AIN'T GOT THAT TRACK
12:28:34PM STRAIGHT YET.
12:28:35PM SO LET'S JUST TRY -- I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS GRANT.
12:28:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
12:28:53PM CAN WE TAKE ITEM 13?
12:28:57PM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE GOT ABOUT TEN
12:29:01PM MINUTES SO THEY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WE GOT HERE.
12:29:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S GET THROUGH THIS ONE FIRST.
12:29:06PM WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ONLINE.
12:29:09PM >> ALISON HEWITT, EAST TAMPA RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER.
12:29:16PM I AM THRILLED THAT IT HAS COME OUT.
12:29:21PM I JUST HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS FOR THREE OF THE ITEMS THAT
12:29:26PM WERE DISCUSSED, AND MY COMMENTS ARE IN THE BODY HIGHLIGHTED
12:29:32PM IN YELLOW.
12:29:34PM I WILL START WITH THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE DOCUMENT.
12:29:41PM ONE ON THE DEFINITIONS.
12:29:42PM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR BRINGING UP HOW THIS WILL
12:29:46PM RELATE TO THE CRA.
12:29:47PM I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THIS VERY SPECIFICALLY AS ECONOMIC
12:29:51PM DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
12:29:53PM SO THE PROVISION OF LAND BELOW THE BAYOU, DOES THAT MEAN
12:30:00PM THAT LAND WILL NOT BE CONTRIBUTION TO SOME PROJECTS, TO BE
12:30:04PM ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THE PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT IN EAST
12:30:07PM TAMPA AND IN HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED AREAS?
12:30:12PM THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DEVELOPING

12:30:14PM THIS.
12:30:14PM AND THAT HELPS THEM HAVE EQUITY IN THE PROJECT.
12:30:19PM THE SECOND ONE IS, WOULD THIS ALSO INCLUDE BORROWING AGAINST
12:30:23PM INCREASING TIF?
12:30:25PM THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE A BLANKET FOR THE CRA.
12:30:29PM COULD WE ALSO, IN THE CITY PARTICIPATION, INCLUDE WHAT THEIR
12:30:33PM DEFINITION OF THE CRA PARTICIPATION WOULD BE?
12:30:37PM TWO PAGES OVER, ALL OF THESE ARE NUMB NUMBERED AS WELL.
12:30:43PM NUMBER 3, IS THERE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS TO
12:30:46PM QUALIFY AS AN ACCEPTABLE OUTREACH AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE
12:30:50PM PRESENTATION PRESENTED? THEY HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON MAY
12:30:53PM 9th AND MAY 16th, WITH APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 40 PEOPLE
12:30:58PM AND 1292 RESPONSES.
12:31:00PM WHAT WILL BE -- WHAT YOU ACCEPT AS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION?
12:31:05PM IF THEY HAVE THE PROJECT AND THEY PUT IT OUT IN THESE PAPERS
12:31:08PM THAT ARE NOT READ AND CIRCULATIONS THAT ARE NOT READ, AND
12:31:11PM THEY ARE ONLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE ATTEND, WILL YOU ACCEPT
12:31:14PM THAT?
12:31:15PM I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE THE PERSON THAT ACCEPTS IT OR NOT.
12:31:19PM BUT WOO WILL BE THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS FOR THE
12:31:22PM COMMUNITY OUTREACH?
12:31:24PM NUMBER 4, THANK YOU.
12:31:27PM THE LEED CERTIFICATIONS, MAKING IT MAY OR SHALL.
12:31:32PM JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, AND
12:31:37PM ACCESSIBILITY TO THESE TYPES OF MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES,

12:31:41PM WONDERING IF STAFF HAS ASCERTAINED IF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
12:31:46PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IF DEVELOPERS CAN ACTUALLY MAINTAIN
12:31:48PM THAT LEVEL OF LEED CERTIFICATION BASED ON AVAILABILITY.
12:31:53PM NUMBER 6 IS ALTERNATIVE TO THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.
12:32:00PM THIS IS FOR EXEMPTIONS.
12:32:02PM NUMBER 7, WHO DECIDES THE PROCESS?
12:32:08PM THERE MIGHT BE NOT ENOUGH IN TAMPA TO PARTICIPATE BUT MAYBE
12:32:11PM AT A LOWER RESPONSIBILITY LEVEL, BECAUSE THINK OF A
12:32:15PM COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT FOR A NONPROFIT WILL BE GOOD
12:32:18PM FOR THE COMMUNITY.
12:32:18PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:32:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 30 SECONDS MORE, PLEASE.
12:32:23PM >> OKAY.
12:32:23PM THE CBAC, WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OTHER THAN ON
12:32:31PM SECTION 4 FOR THE STANDING MEMBERS, AND ALSO FOR THE AD HOC
12:32:35PM MEMBERS?
12:32:36PM IF WE ARE WILL GO AT EAST TAMPA CRA, AND THESE PROJECTS ARE
12:32:39PM WITHIN ONE MILE, WILL THOSE AD HOC MEMBERS BE ABLE TO GET
12:32:43PM SOME TYPE OF TRAINING OR INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
12:32:45PM ARE BEING ABLE TO REPRESENT THEIR COMMUNITY IN A DEVELOPMENT
12:32:50PM PROJECT?
12:32:51PM WE HAVE NOT HA HAD A DEVELOPMENT IN EAST TAMPA.
12:32:54PM WE HAVE INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
12:32:56PM WILL THEY BE PROVIDED SOME TYPE OF INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE
12:32:59PM THAT THEY CAN ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE?

12:33:02PM AND ONE LAST ONE ON EXHIBIT A, AS THE EAST TAMPA CRA TO
12:33:07PM ATTRACT SIGNIFICANT AND DEVELOPMENTS, THE COST OF FINANCING
12:33:11PM IS OFTEN A CHALLENGE.
12:33:13PM IF THE TIERS CAN BE MAYBE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE CRA
12:33:18PM AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AREAS -- WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE
12:33:22PM THE SMALLER AFRICAN AMERICAN DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO
12:33:25PM DEVELOP OUR COMMUNITIES, AND COULD THOSE TIERS -- AGAIN, I
12:33:29PM APPRECIATE THE TIERS. I THINK THE TIERS NEED TO BE THERE.
12:33:31PM BUT MAYBE ALLOW FOR WHOEVER MAKES THESE DECISIONS TO HAVE
12:33:33PM THOSE TIERS HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW SOME MINORITY
12:33:37PM DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IN OUR COMMUNITY.
12:33:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:33:48PM MS. POYNOR, ARE YOU ONLINE?
12:33:50PM MS. POYNOR?
12:33:52PM MS. BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE?
12:33:53PM >> HERE.
12:33:55PM I'M HERE.
12:33:56PM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
12:33:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. POYNOR.
12:33:59PM >> YES, SIR.
12:34:01PM MY CONCERN IS, YOU ARE SITTING ON A BOARD OF SIX.
12:34:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SEVEN.
12:34:07PM >> TWO AND THEN FOUR, RIGHT?
12:34:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SEVEN.
12:34:15PM >> NEVER MIND, OKAY.

12:34:17PM THE OTHER THING IS, WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GOING TO FIND
12:34:22PM THE TWO PEOPLE?
12:34:25PM THEY ARE GOING TO BE STAYING ON COUNCIL ALL THE TIME.
12:34:27PM I THINK EVERYBODY IN THAT ROOM KNOWS, YOU COULD PROBABLY
12:34:31PM HAVE NO MORE THAN THAT ARE IN THAT ROOM RIGHT NOW THAT ARE
12:34:35PM CAPABLE OF SITTING ON THAT BOARD WHO ARE NOT ALREADY IN THE
12:34:39PM DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE TRUSTED BY THE
12:34:42PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:34:42PM SO WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
12:34:45PM I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARILY A GREAT THING TO EXPAND
12:34:48PM IT.
12:34:50PM A SMALLER GROUP CAN GET MORE DONE, IF THERE'S SEVEN.
12:34:53PM OKAY.
12:34:54PM BUT I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THE TIME PLACING
12:34:58PM THOSE PEOPLE WITH THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL THAN ANYTHING,
12:35:02PM BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT
12:35:05PM HAS HAPPENED, AND WE HAVE SEEN THIS EVEN RECENTLY, AND
12:35:09PM ALISON AND I WERE IN A MEETING LAST WEEK AND SOMEBODY GOT ON
12:35:16PM A TANGENT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SAID THAT'S GOING AWAY, WE
12:35:21PM DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
12:35:22PM SO I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH ALISON THAT WE MUST HAVE TRAINING
12:35:27PM FOR THIS BOARD, AS YOU PROBABLY DO VIDEOS, AND PEOPLE SHOULD
12:35:31PM BE REQUIRED TO WATCH IT, AND THINGS LINING THAT.
12:35:33PM BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS FINDING SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE
12:35:36PM DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD.

12:35:39PM THANK YOU.
12:35:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. BENNETT.
12:35:51PM ARE YOU THERE?
12:35:53PM >> I'M SORRY.
12:35:54PM I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT.
12:35:55PM SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
12:35:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS IS 15, CORRECT?
12:36:01PM OKAY.
12:36:02PM THANK YOU, MRS. BENNETT.
12:36:04PM ANY OTHER PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS IN CHAMBERS?
12:36:10PM THANK YOU.
12:36:10PM WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:36:12PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:36:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, GREAT JOB OF WAITING INFORM THIS
12:36:19PM AND FINALLY GOT IT DONE FOR US.
12:36:24PM THERE ARE A FEW THINGS, AND YOU HEARD THEM ALL.
12:36:27PM I THINK MS. HEWITT HAS SOME GREAT POINTS.
12:36:30PM MR. ROBINSON, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE COPIES OF THAT
12:36:35PM COMMUNITY? I DON'T WANT OUTSIDE PEOPLE THAT MAKE AN OPINION
12:36:41PM ABOUT THAT, THEY DON'T LIVE THERE, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND
12:36:45PM THAT, BUT I DON'T PUT ANYBODY ON ANY BOARD WHO DON'T KNOW
12:36:49PM THE SUBJECT MATTER.
12:36:50PM SO I THINK IT'S -- WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT DO KNOW THE
12:36:56PM COMMUNITY, THEY DO KNOW DEVELOPMENT, THE IMPACTS, AND NOT
12:37:02PM JUST PUT PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM 90 YEARS ON A BOARD THAT PEOPLE

12:37:07PM DON'T KNOW, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT, PUT
12:37:13PM PEOPLE ON A BOARD THAT KNOW THE SUBJECT MATTER.
12:37:16PM I LOVE THE VOLUNTEERS, AND THEY SERVE ON CERTAIN BOARDS.
12:37:24PM ON CERTAIN BOARDS YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE
12:37:26PM SUBJECT MATTER TO MAKE THINGS RUN.
12:37:29PM SO AGAIN, IN MY MIND, YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE FROM THAT
12:37:37PM COMMUNITY.
12:37:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:37:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY THING I REQUEST IN COMING FORWARD
12:37:43PM IS THAT YOU ADJUST MS. HEWITT'S QUESTIONS WHICH I THOUGHT
12:37:48PM WERE REALLY GOOD, AND BETWEEN THE CRA VERSUS THIS UMBRELLA
12:37:52PM ORGANIZATION AND HOW WE BALANCE ALL OF THAT OUT.
12:38:00PM , ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF FINDING APPROPRIATE PEOPLE TO
12:38:04PM SERVE ON THESE BOARDS.
12:38:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT ACTION SHOULD THIS COUNCIL TAKE?
12:38:14PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:38:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN WE LISTEN TO 13?
12:38:18PM THE MAN HAS TO BE IN TALLAHASSEE.
12:38:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:38:22PM COULD WE HAVE SOME ACTION ON THIS ONE FIRST?
12:38:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I INQUIRE?
12:38:28PM HOW MUCH TIME DOES COUNCIL WISH TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND
12:38:29PM REVIEW IT BEFORE IT COMES BACK?
12:38:31PM THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT NOVEMBER.
12:38:32PM I WONDER IF THAT'S SUFFICIENT TIME FOR COUNCIL TO DO THAT.

12:38:35PM I WOULD LIKE MR. GUDES TO CONSIDER THE NEW BUSINESS ITEM.
12:38:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS DECEMBER SOON ENOUGH?
12:38:47PM HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?
12:38:49PM WE ARE GOOD.
12:38:50PM HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?
12:38:54PM >> WE WOULD LIKE TO SET IT FOR NOVEMBER 17th AND THAT
12:38:57PM WAY WE CAN MAKE THE APPROPRIATE CHANGES, MR. CHAIR.
12:39:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOVEMBER 17th.
12:39:04PM >> THAT WILL BE FOR FIRST READING, MR. CHAIR.
12:39:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR FIRST READING.
12:39:10PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:39:12PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:39:14PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:39:15PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:39:16PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
12:39:18PM THANK YOU.
12:39:18PM WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL HEAR 13.
12:39:23PM WITHOUT OBJECTION?
12:39:28PM THANK YOU.
12:39:33PM >>SAL RUGGIERO: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER
12:39:38PM 13.
12:39:40PM WE HAVE A VIDEO THAT WE WANT TO PLAY THAT GIVES AN OVERALL
12:39:44PM VIEW OF WHAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
12:39:47PM AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE MOTION.
12:39:50PM AND THEN WE HAVE EXPERTS HERE FOR THE TEAM FOR QUESTIONS.

12:39:54PM SO I KNOW MOST OF YOU DID A TOUR OF THE FACILITY.
12:39:59PM THIS WILL BE LIKE A REFRESHER BUT SHOW THE PUBLIC EXACTLY
12:40:03PM WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
12:40:04PM SO WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, CTTV, PLEASE PLAY THAT VIDEO.
12:40:33PM >> THIS IS THE MACKAY BAY WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY, A SOLID
12:40:38PM WASTE MANAGEMENT, IT PROVIDES A RELIABLE, MORE
12:40:42PM ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS METHOD OF MANAGING RACE.
12:40:46PM WASTE TO ENERGY PROCESS TAKES NONHAZARDOUS WASTES AND
12:40:50PM COMBUSTS IT TO ELECTRICITY.
12:40:53PM EACH DAY, MACKAY BAY CONVERTS MORE THAN 2 MILLION POUNDS OF
12:40:56PM HOUSEHOLD AND COMMERCIAL WASTE INTO ELECTRICAL ENERGY,
12:41:01PM ENOUGH TO POWER APPROXIMATELY 15,000 HOMES MONTHLY.
12:41:05PM THE ASH LEFT OVER IS THEN PROCESSED TO RECOVER METAL FOR
12:41:09PM RECYCLING.
12:41:10PM NOW ALL GASES ARE PUT THROUGH A MULTI-STEP POLLUTION CONTROL
12:41:14PM SYSTEM.
12:41:15PM MAINTAINING A FACILITY CAN LEAD TO BE EXCEED INDUSTRY
12:41:19PM STANDARDS WILL KEEP THE FACILITY FUNCTIONING FOR GENERATIONS
12:41:22PM TO COME AND HELP US INVEST IN A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR OUR
12:41:25PM CITY.
12:41:28PM INVESTING IN OUR FUTURE MEANS INVESTING IN THE FACILITY.
12:41:32PM OVERALL, 12 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE NEEDED TO
12:41:36PM MAINTAIN OUR WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY.
12:41:38PM HERE IS A CLOSER LOOK AT FIVE OF THEM.
12:41:42PM THE ASH SCALPER BUILDING REQUIRES MAJOR REPAIRS.

12:41:47PM THIS BUILDING IS FOR ASH AND EQUIPMENT ARE STORED LOCATED
12:41:50PM AND CONTAINED, AND IS REQUIRED FOR SAFE OPERATIONS OF THE
12:41:54PM FACILITY.
12:41:56PM AFTER MORE THAN 30 YEARS OF USE, THIS BUILDING IS IN DIRE
12:42:00PM NEED OF REFURBISHMENT TO AVOID ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, SAFETY
12:42:05PM HAZARDS, AND TO STAY WITHIN THE REGULATIONS OF THE
12:42:07PM ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY.
12:42:10PM THESE COOLING TOWERS ARE USED TO COOL DOWN THE STEAM USED
12:42:13PM FOR ELECTRICITY GENERATION.
12:42:17PM ONCE COOL, WATER IS THEN RECIRCULATED THROUGH THE SYSTEM TO
12:42:20PM BEGIN THE PROCESS AGAIN.
12:42:23PM THESE COOLING TOWERS ARE ORIGINAL TO THE FACILITY, AND AFTER
12:42:27PM 37 YEARS, THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE IS IN JEOPARDY OF FAILURE IF
12:42:31PM NOT REMEDIED SOON.
12:42:33PM IF A FAILURE OCCURS, IT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC TO FACILITY
12:42:38PM OPERATIONS.
12:42:39PM THE UPGRADES NEEDED INCLUDE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE
12:42:43PM FOR THE COOLING TOWERS, THE FIRE RESISTANT DECK AND THE
12:42:46PM REPLACEMENT OF CORRODING PIPES ARE NEEDED.
12:42:50PM WASTE COMBUSTION NEVER STOPS AT MacKAY BAY WHICH MEANS THE
12:42:55PM TURBINE GENERATOR OPERATES AROUND THE CLOCK, PRESSURIZED
12:42:58PM STEAM FROM COMBUSTION, PUSHES FAN BLADES TO TURN THE TURBINE
12:43:00PM AT SPEEDS OF 3600 REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE.
12:43:06PM THE RECOMMENDED LIFE SPAN OF A TURBINE GENERATOR IS FIVE TO
12:43:09PM SEVEN YEARS.

12:43:11PM AFTER NINE YEARS OF USE, THIS EQUIPMENT NEEDS A COMPLETE
12:43:14PM OVERHAUL.
12:43:16PM WITHOUT THE TURBINE, ELECTRICITY CANNOT BE GENERATED.
12:43:20PM TO CONTINUE GENERATING ELECTRICAL ENERGY EFFICIENTLY, A NEW
12:43:23PM TRANSFORMER IS ALSO REQUIRED.
12:43:25PM THE MAIN TRANSFORMER SHOWN HERE STEPS UP THE VOLTAGE
12:43:30PM PRODUCED BY THE GENERATOR, THAT SUPPLIES POURER TO THE CITY
12:43:33PM OF TAMPA.
12:43:36PM THESE CRANES ARE ORIGINAL THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY AND HAVE
12:43:39PM BEEN IN USE SINCE THE OPENING IN 1984.
12:43:43PM TO KEEP THE COMBUSTION PROCESS GOING, THESE CRANES MUST
12:43:47PM CONTINUALLY FEED WASTE FROM THE STORAGE PIT TO THE BOILERS.
12:43:50PM THEY CAN GRAB UP TO 5,000 POUNDS OF WASTE AND ENDURE USE
12:43:56PM 24/7.
12:43:56PM MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THE CRANES ARE CHALLENGING AND
12:44:00PM COSTLY, ESPECIALLY AS REQUIRED PARTS BECOME OBSOLETE.
12:44:04PM BOTH CRANES NEED REPLACEMENT.
12:44:09PM OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR MacKAY BAY WASTE TO
12:44:14PM ENERGY FACILITY INCLUDE UPGRADES TO THE SOFTWARE AND
12:44:17PM HARDWARE USED TO OPERATE AND CONTROL THE FACILITY, AS WELL
12:44:19PM AS REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR OF STACK, BUMPER, BURNER AND
12:44:26PM EXPELLER.
12:44:28PM WITHOUT THESE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS, THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL NOT
12:44:31PM BE ABLE TO PROCESS THE THOUSANDS OF POUNDS OF WASTE THAT
12:44:35PM CITY RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES GENERATE DAILY.

12:44:39PM A STEP IN THE WRONG DIRECTION TOWARDS TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S
12:44:42PM TOMORROW.
12:44:44PM WITHOUT THIS FACILITY, OUR WASTE WOULD NEED TO BE SENT TO A
12:44:47PM LANDFILL OR TRANSPORTED TO A SURROUNDING COUNTY'S WASTE TO
12:44:51PM ENERGY FACILITY.
12:44:53PM FINALLY, LAND IS NOT AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA
12:44:56PM LIMITS FOR LANDFILL.
12:44:58PM ACCORDING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY, THIS IS
12:45:01PM THE LEAST PREFERRED METHOD TO DISPOSE OF WASTE.
12:45:05PM THIS PROCESS REQUIRES WASTE TO BE BURIED AND OVER TIME
12:45:09PM BACTERIA WILL BREAK DOWN, GENERATING METHANE AND CARBON
12:45:13PM DIOXIDE.
12:45:15PM THESE GREENHOUSE GASES ARE 84 TIMES MORE POTENT AS A CLIMATE
12:45:20PM CHANGING GAS THAN CO2.
12:45:22PM TRANSPORTING AND PROCESSING CITY OF TAMPA'S WASTE TO
12:45:26PM SURROUNDING COUNTY WASTE FACILITIES IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE OR
12:45:29PM EFFICIENT METHOD OF DISPOSAL.
12:45:31PM THIS PROCESS WOULD GREATLY INCREASE OUR COSTS AND DECREASE
12:45:35PM OUR VEHICLE LIFE SPAN AS WELL AS HARM THE OVERALL OPERATIONS
12:45:39PM OF THE CITY OF TAMPA SOLID WASTE AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM
12:45:42PM MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
12:45:45PM IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, NEARBY WASTE PROCESSING AND
12:45:49PM MANAGEMENT SITES ARE WILLING TO COME TO THE RESCUE OF CITY
12:45:52PM OF TAMPA, BUT ARE UNABLE TO DO SO FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT
12:45:56PM OF TIME.

12:45:58PM BY USE ALTERNATIVE SITES, THE CITY OF TAMPA WOULD PUT
12:46:02PM OPERATIONS OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AT RISK AND LOWER THE
12:46:05PM LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THEIR FACILITIES, A COST THEY AREN'T
12:46:09PM WILLING TO PAY.
12:46:12PM INVESTING IN THE MACKAY BAY WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY IS
12:46:17PM INVESTIGATION IN THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY
12:46:19PM OF TAMPA AND ITS FUTURE.
12:46:21PM >> THANK YOU FOR THAT VIDEO, COUNCIL.
12:46:32PM I WANT TO MAKE A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS.
12:46:35PM I KNOW YOUR TIME MANAGEMENT IMPORTANT.
12:46:37PM AND THEN WE'LL HAVE WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE
12:46:41PM ANSWERED.
12:46:41PM WE HAVE SOME CITY AND OUTSIDE FOLKS HERE.
12:46:44PM JUST A QUICK REMINDER OF SOMEONE YOU SOMETHING LAST WEEK BY
12:46:47PM THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF STAFF.
12:46:48PM WHEN WE START TO GET INTO A FLOW OF DOING THESE UPDATES FOR
12:46:52PM YOU ON A SEMIANNUAL BASIS, WE WILL BE FOLLOWING WHAT THE
12:46:56PM STAFF MENTIONED.
12:46:56PM WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS ALL ALONG.
12:46:58PM IT'S JUST IN A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZED FASHION, AND SO JUST
12:47:01PM WANTED TO REITERATE, THAT IS GOING TO BE OUR CONSISTENT
12:47:04PM FORMAT GOING FORWARD.
12:47:05PM SO JUST BRIEFLY AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT
12:47:10PM THE MOTION TODAY.
12:47:14PM WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK, AND THAT IS OUR 2040 COMPREHENSIVE

12:47:20PM PLAN, AND IT'S ACTUALLY VERY IMPRESS WIFE BECAUSE IT GIVES
12:47:23PM US A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, STARTS ON PAGE 219, BY THE WAY.
12:47:28PM AND ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT COVER THE CITY'S MISSION AND
12:47:32PM SERVICES.
12:47:32PM THE PLAN ALSO OUTLINES OUR GOALS, OUR OBJECTIVES AND POLICY
12:47:36PM FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LARGER CITY
12:47:40PM VISION.
12:47:41PM JUST WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF GOALS THAT ARE MENTIONED IN
12:47:44PM THIS PLAN.
12:47:46PM GOAL ONE, PROVIDE A LONG-TERM COST EFFECTIVE INTEGRATED
12:47:49PM SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM DESIGNED TO PROVIDE A SAFE AND
12:47:53PM EFFICIENT SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL FOR THE CITY'S
12:47:57PM DESIGNATED SERVICE AREA.
12:48:00PM JUST ONE KEY GOAL, GOAL NUMBER TWO, REDUCE THE VOLUME OF
12:48:04PM SOLID WASTE SENT TO THE LANDFILL IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC
12:48:08PM HEALTH, QUALITY, AND LAND USE COMPATIBILITY.
12:48:13PM AND WITH THAT, ONE OF THE OTHER OBJECTIVES THAT I WILL
12:48:17PM MENTION, MAINTAIN, MONITOR AND MAXIMIZE THE USE OF
12:48:21PM FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT TO ENSURE ADEQUATE PROVISION OF
12:48:24PM SOLID WASTE SERVICES.
12:48:26PM SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE VIDEO FROM OUR POLICIES OF OUR COMP
12:48:30PM PLAN COMMITTED TO THIS PLAN, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE
12:48:33PM ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS IT PROVIDES, WE ARE COMMITTED TO
12:48:35PM RECEIVING THE REVENUE AND REDUCING OUR COSTS FOR WASTE
12:48:38PM MANAGEMENT.

12:48:39PM I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT UNDER THE FRAMEWORK OF THAT
12:48:42PM BIGGER COMP PLAN, WE HAVE THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
12:48:46PM PROGRAM.
12:48:47PM IN FACT, APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
12:48:53PM ANOTHER LAYER OF PLANNING OVER THAT PLAN IS A MORE FLUENT
12:48:57PM TEN-YEAR CIP PROJECTION.
12:48:59PM SO WE HAVE THE REHABILITATION, WE HAVE THE PRO TECH TOUGH
12:49:03PM NEEDS AND COSTS, THEN WE HAVE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE POLICY
12:49:06PM AND GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING IN TERMS OF
12:49:10PM THIS ASSET AND EVERY OTHER ASSET WE HAVE FOR ALL OF OUR
12:49:13PM OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
12:49:14PM SO I FEEL WE HAVE GREAT PLANNING STRUCTURE, PLANNING
12:49:21PM DECISION MAKING OPPORTUNITY.
12:49:22PM I WILL MENTION SOME OF THE COMPONENTS THAT NEED TO BE
12:49:24PM UPGRADED.
12:49:27PM SOME OF YOU WERE ABLE TO JOIN US ON A TOUR AND SAW FIRSTHAND
12:49:30PM SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.
12:49:32PM SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WITH
12:49:34PM THE RECENT CONTRACT THAT WAS ISSUED WITH CPPI INCORPORATE.
12:49:40PM SO WITH THAT, I WILL JUST PAUSE HERE AND GIVE YOU A CHANCE
12:49:44PM TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. I WANTED TO BE BRIEF CONSIDERING THE
12:49:47PM TIME.
12:49:47PM AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
12:49:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:49:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:49:51PM THAT WAS A VERY SOOTHING AND INFORMATIVE VIDEO.
12:50:01PM BUT I WILL SAY, I APPRECIATE CHUCK AND EVERYBODY ELSE FOR
12:50:06PM GIVING ME AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THE TOUR OF THE ENTIRE
12:50:11PM FACILITY.
12:50:13PM IT'S ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING.
12:50:14PM I KNOW TRASH ISN'T GLAMOROUS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW A
12:50:19PM CITY NEEDS TO BE RUN AND MANAGED, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY
12:50:22PM CRITICAL.
12:50:23PM WE OFTEN SAY THERE ARE WANTS AND NEEDS, AND THIS IS A NEED
12:50:30PM AND NECESSITY BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A TURBINE FAILURE, ANY KIND
12:50:33PM OF FAILURE, WE TALK ABOUT 30 YEARS, AND THEN I HEARD ABOUT
12:50:37PM EQUIPMENT FROM 1984.
12:50:39PM WAUGH THROUGH THAT BUILDING AN THERE ARE PLAQUES ON THE WALL
12:50:41PM FROM 1967 AND ALL THE FACILITIES THAT NO LONGER EXIST BUT WE
12:50:47PM HAVE DOING THIS FOR OVER HALF A CENTURY. IF THERE IS A
12:50:49PM MAJOR DISRUPTION IN SERVICE, NOT ONLY DO WE LOSE REVENUE
12:50:53PM FROM THE ENERGY ASPECT OF IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO IMAGINE
12:50:58PM WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO OUR CITY WHEN WE HAVE THESE SERVICES
12:51:02PM COME TO BASICALLY A HALT, AND WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE AND USE
12:51:07PM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SERVICES.
12:51:10PM WHICH ARE GOING TO BE VERY INTENSIVE. IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A
12:51:12PM TREMENDOUS BACKLOG.
12:51:13PM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE HERE WITH PITCHFORKS BECAUSE
12:51:16PM AGAIN TRASH PICKUP AND MANAGEMENT, SOLID WASTE PICKUP AND
12:51:20PM MANAGEMENT ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.

12:51:21PM WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE KIND OF INVESTMENTS, AND LOOKING OUT
12:51:25PM DECADES, WE HAVE THE -- WE REACHED THE 30-YEAR LIFE SPAN
12:51:29PM NOW, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE BUT THIS IS
12:51:32PM SOMETHING THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY.
12:51:34PM AGAIN, AFTER TAKING A TOUR OF THE FACILITY, IT'S VERY EYE
12:51:40PM OPENING.
12:51:40PM YOU SEE WHAT NEEDS MAINTENANCE, YOU SEE PATCHWORK.
12:51:47PM WE DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THINGS GOING WITHOUT SPENDING HUGE
12:51:50PM AMOUNTS OF MONEY BUT I THINK WE REACHED A POINT WHERE THE
12:51:56PM NEED TO MAKE AFTERNOON INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE IS NOW AND
12:51:58PM IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL AND NECESSARY.
12:51:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:52:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN
12:52:06PM MANISCALCO SAID SO ELOQUENTLY. IF YOU SEE IT, IT'S 100%
12:52:11PM NEEDED.
12:52:12PM BUT OVERALL, INCLUDED IN THIS, OR MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT
12:52:17PM SEPARATE, IS A DISCUSSION OF HOW MUCH TRASH THIS
12:52:21PM MUNICIPALITY CREATES.
12:52:24PM TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, AND WITH THE LITTER PICKUP PROGRAM,
12:52:30PM HOW DO YOU DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT'S COMING IN
12:52:34PM FROM RESIDENTS?
12:52:36PM AND JUST HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE THAT?
12:52:39PM I HAVE TALKED TO PROBABLY EACH OF YOU AD NAUSEAM ABOUT MY
12:52:43PM PERSONAL OPINIONS BECAUSE I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT, BUT
12:52:47PM ALSO THE IDEA OF IF WE CREATE LESS TRASH OURSELVES, THEN WE

12:52:53PM HAVE MORE SPACE TO CHARGE MORE PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE
12:52:56PM THE CITY AND CREATING MORE REVENUE.
12:52:58PM SO THAT'S MY OTHER POINT, IS WE CAN ACTUALLY INCREASE THE
12:53:03PM REVENUE IF WE DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT WE PRODUCE.
12:53:08PM WHICH SOUND COUNTERINTUITIVE BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE
12:53:12PM AWESOME, AND AGAIN, TO CONTINUE THAT TRASH -- THANK YOU.
12:53:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE THIS.
12:53:22PM ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE
12:53:25PM MOTION THAT WAS MADE IN THE ITEM THAT WAS PUT ON THERE.
12:53:28PM THIS ITEM WAS ABOUT THE 30-YEAR PLAN AND POLICIES OF THE
12:53:33PM INCINERATOR, NOT WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE THE INCINERATOR OR
12:53:36PM NOT.
12:53:37PM I HAVE NOT YET HAD A CHANCE TO PERSONALLY TOUR THE
12:53:40PM INCINERATOR BUT I AM GOING TO, IF I CAN, BECAUSE I AM
12:53:43PM FASCINATED IT WITH.
12:53:44PM AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN AGAINST THE INCINERATOR.
12:53:47PM MY PROBLEM IS WHEN WE HAD STAFF BEFORE US TALKING ABOUT THE
12:53:50PM 265 MILLION THAT WAS THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN, AND I ASKED VERY
12:53:53PM BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S THE 30-YEAR PLAN?
12:53:56PM AND THE VIDEO IS INTERESTING FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO
12:53:59PM SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT
12:54:03PM WERE HINTED AT IN THE VIDEO THAT I AM NOT SURE WE ARE UNDER
12:54:07PM THE 265 MILLION, AND THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE 30-YEAR
12:54:11PM PLAN?
12:54:13PM AND I CONSIDER FOR THE CAN SITE HERE FOR THE NEXT 30, 45

12:54:17PM MINUTES AND ASK QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD RATHER RESCHEDULE
12:54:20PM THIS, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST GIVING US DOCUMENTS AND HAVING
12:54:24PM US READ IT EITHER.
12:54:25PM IT'S ABOUT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING IT.
12:54:28PM AND THE VIDEO IT WAS REFERRED TO THAT IT'S MORE MONEY AND IT
12:54:31PM WOULD BE WASTEFUL TO GO TO A LANDFILL.
12:54:34PM I TALK TO ENVIRONMENTALISTS.
12:54:36PM IF WE ARE GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THEN LET'S DO IT
12:54:38PM WITH DATA TO SHOW US WHAT THE ACTUAL COST DIFFERENCE IS.
12:54:41PM THAT'S THE THING. I WAS NOT ASKING THE QUESTION SO WE COULD
12:54:44PM ARGUE THAT WE SEND TRUCKS UP TO PASCO COUNTY.
12:54:47PM I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION SO WE COULD SHOW THE PUBLIC THIS
12:54:51PM IS A BETTER DECISION.
12:54:52PM AND ON THE 30 YEAR PLAN IF THIS THING IS GOING TO COST $265
12:54:58PM MILLION FOR FIVE YEARS AND IF THAT'S PRIMARILY PAYING FOR
12:55:00PM TURBINES, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THERE?
12:55:02PM IT SOUNDS LIKE THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE PRETTY MUCH
12:55:05PM REBUILT BECAUSE IT'S 37 YEARS OLD OR WHATEVER.
12:55:07PM I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
12:55:10PM THAT'S THE SIMPLE QUESTION.
12:55:11PM WHAT'S THE 30-YEAR PLAN?
12:55:12PM YOU PRESENTED GOALS LAST TIME, I ASKED ABOUT GOALS, AND
12:55:14PM NOBODY HAD ANY THAT THEY COULD TALK ABOUT, SO AT LEAST WE
12:55:18PM GOT THAT.
12:55:19PM BUT THERE SHOULD BE A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE

12:55:22PM REPLACED OVER A 30-YEAR PERIOD, AND AT LEAST A ROUGH
12:55:26PM ESTIMATE OF HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE. TEN YEARS IS JUST NOT
12:55:29PM ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FULL PROJECT.
12:55:32PM I CAN ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS NOW BUT WE ARE RUNNING OUT
12:55:35PM OF TIME.
12:55:36PM I WOULD RATHER CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 26th
12:55:39PM WORKSHOP.
12:55:40PM AND I WOULD ASK MS. DUNCAN TO HAVE A LONGER CONVERSATION
12:55:43PM ABOUT PRESENTING THIS IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
12:55:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:55:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:55:50PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT GOVERNMENT OR YOU LOOK AT A PRIVATE
12:55:53PM ENTERPRISE, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURE IN A WAY.
12:56:03PM WHEN YOU LEASE A CAR OR BUY A CAR, WHAT HAPPENS?
12:56:05PM YOU BUY A CAR.
12:56:06PM YOU HAVE IT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
12:56:10PM YOU LEASE A CAR, USUALLY YOU LEASE IT FOR A YEAR.
12:56:14PM AT THE END OF 20 YEARS YOU HAVE LEASED 20 CARS AND YOU STILL
12:56:17PM DON'T OWN THE CAR.
12:56:19PM AND YOU HAVE GOT TO PROVIDE THE INSURANCE AND SO FORTH AND
12:56:22PM SO ON.
12:56:23PM WHEN YOU BUY A CAR, IT'S YOURS.
12:56:28PM IT USED TO BE, WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, 18 MONTHS AND THEN IT
12:56:31PM WENT TO 24 MONTHS AND THEN WENT TO FIVE YEARS.
12:56:34PM NOW YOU BUY A CAR IT GOES TO EIGHT YEARS BECAUSE THEY HAVE

12:56:37PM BECOME SO EXPENSIVE SOMETIMES.
12:56:39PM SO I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN OWNING YOUR OWN ASSETS.
12:56:45PM I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN OWNING YOUR OWN ASSETS.
12:56:48PM ALL RIGHT.
12:56:49PM FIRST OF ALL, YOU CONTROL THE PRICE OF THE COMMODITY.
12:57:02PM THAT OPERATION WAS LEASED OUT TO BE WHEELABRATOR, IF I
12:57:07PM REMEMBER, YEARS BACK.
12:57:07PM SO WHEN WE FIND OUT WHAT THE ITEMS ARE, AND THEY SHOULD BE,
12:57:11PM AND COME UP WITH AN OPERATIONAL, AND THEN DO -- AND I
12:57:15PM UNDERSTAND THIS IS PART OF THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, AM I
12:57:18PM CORRECT?
12:57:20PM SO WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE -- AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT THE
12:57:24PM WORD EXTRAPOLATE BECAUSE I'M A CUBAN -- BUT WHEN YOU TAKE IT
12:57:28PM OUT OF THE SOLID WASTE DIVISION, YOU CAN TELL BY THE
12:57:34PM ACCOUNTING OPERATION WHAT IT GENERATES AND WHAT IT COSTS TO
12:57:37PM GENERATE.
12:57:38PM IN OTHER WORDS, ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES, ALL OF THE BENEFITS.
12:57:41PM BUT WHEN YOU PUT THAT NUMBER ASIDE, AND YOU COMPARE IT WHERE
12:57:45PM I AM NOT GOING, IS TO RELEASE TO THE ANOTHER COMPANY SO THEY
12:57:48PM CAN MAKE MILLIONS OFF THE TAXPAYERS' BACK, I AM NOT GOING TO
12:57:53PM GO FOR THAT.
12:57:54PM I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW.
12:57:55PM SO I DON'T NOT ABOUT THE OTHER SIX BUT THIS CUBAN AIN'T
12:57:59PM GOING FOR THAT.
12:58:00PM PERIOD.

12:58:02PM SO WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHEN WE TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE TO
12:58:06PM DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE IT THE BETTER PLACE.
12:58:11PM AND I WANT TO SEE THIS THING WHETHER IT'S TODAY OR TOMORROW
12:58:15PM OR NEXT WEEK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO ANOTHER YEAR, TALKING
12:58:18PM ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EVERY DAY I AM TAKING A RISK.
12:58:22PM DID WE KNOW IT WAS THERE?
12:58:24PM YES.
12:58:24PM THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS YOU HAD TO FIND IN THE CITY.
12:58:26PM AND THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO GET TIGHTER AFTER 2026.
12:58:30PM AND YOU THE WON'T HAVE THE CIP TAXES TO GIVE MILLIONS AWAY
12:58:34PM TO A CERTAIN ENTITY.
12:58:35PM I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION THE ENTITY.
12:58:37PM EVERY TIME YOU HAVE AN EVENT THERE IT COSTS $250,000.
12:58:41PM NOBODY GIVES A DAMN BECAUSE IT'S A GLAMOROUS THING.
12:58:44PM THIS IS NOT GLAMOROUS BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING
12:58:47PM WE ARE GOING TO DO TO MAKE THE CITY WHOLE, THE PROJECT AND
12:58:50PM THE PIPES.
12:58:52PM NOW YOU HAVE THINGS FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE NEXT GENERATION
12:58:57PM TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THIS CITY TO FUNCTION, TO BE
12:59:00PM RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE BEST CITIES IN AMERICA.
12:59:06PM ALTHOUGH I HEARD WE DON'T HAVE THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, I
12:59:09PM SAW SOMETHING ON TV WHERE I THINK TAMPA IS RANKED TOP 3 OR 4
12:59:14PM IN RELOCATION OF TECH COMPANIES, AND I WANT TO VERIFY THAT
12:59:17PM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY SEWING THAT'S NOT FACTUAL.
12:59:20PM BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS I SEE AND NEED, THAT IF YOU TAKE

12:59:24PM CARE OF YOURSELF, YOU TAKE CARE OF THE CITY.
12:59:27PM IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE A HOMEOWNER, YOU DO WELL, THE CITY
12:59:30PM DOES WELL.
12:59:32PM WITHOUT HOMEOWNERS, WITHOUT THE PARTICIPATION OF CITIZENS,
12:59:36PM WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE CITIZENS THAT WE
12:59:38PM REPRESENT THAT HAVE TO BURDEN THE COST.
12:59:41PM BUT IN BURDENING THESE COSTS, IT ALSO RETURNS A REWARD
12:59:45PM THROUGH SOLID WASTE.
12:59:46PM AND IN 2026, YOU GIVE THE CIP TAX, AND WHAT'S GOING TO
12:59:51PM HAPPEN IS THIS.
12:59:52PM COINCIDENTALLY, THAT'S WHEN ANOTHER SPORTS TEAM FROM ACROSS
12:59:57PM THE BAY WANTS TO COME TO TAMPA.
1:00:00PM DOWNTOWN HEAR NOTHING MOVING, WHAT'S OUT BECAUSE THE STORM
1:00:03PM IS COMING.
1:00:05PM WE CAN'T EVEN FIND IT ON THE RADAR SCREEN.
1:00:07PM BUT THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM, WE NEED TO BRING IN A BASEBALL
1:00:12PM TEAM?
1:00:15PM DON'T GO THERE BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS YOU WON'T
1:00:17PM HAVE MONEY TO EAT.
1:00:20PM THEY'LL TAKE IT ALL.
1:00:23PM LIKE THE CRA.
1:00:25PM LIKE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
1:00:26PM AND DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ARE MET, COSTS THEM A DOLLAR FOR THE
1:00:29PM NEXT 30 YEARS, IT'S ALL THERE.
1:00:34PM THEY ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT WITH YOUR MONEY.

1:00:36PM THEY ARE GOING TO PAY AND YOU PAY THE OTHER HALF.
1:00:39PM IT'S ZERO.
1:00:39PM WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY'S DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
1:00:43PM AND AFTER 2046 THERE IS NO MORE CIP TAX.
1:00:47PM AND THAT'S USED MAINLY FOR REPLACEMENT OF EQUIPMENT.
1:00:51PM AUTOMOBILES, TRUCKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, FIRE ENGINES,
1:00:54PM AND SO FORTH.
1:00:55PM SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAVE TO FACE IT.
1:01:00PM JUST LIKE WE FACE EVERYTHING ELSE.
1:01:02PM YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT YOU HAVE.
1:01:04PM YOU CANNOT LET IT GO PAST ANOTHER YEAR.
1:01:07PM IF ONE OF THOSE TURBINES GO OR ANY OTHER PART OF THOSE GO,
1:01:13PM IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR TO GET AN ORDER TO GET IT DELIVERED
1:01:17PM AND SO FORTH.
1:01:18PM YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
1:01:19PM I AM NOT TRYING TO SCARE ANYONE.
1:01:21PM I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE FACTS ARE.
1:01:23PM WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO PAY ON A
1:01:27PM DAILY BASIS.
1:01:29PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:01:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:01:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW GOVERNMENT
1:01:36PM OPERATES.
1:01:38PM I JUST WANT TO KNOW.
1:01:42PM THE COUNCILMAN HAS ASKED FOR CERTAIN DOCUMENTS.

1:01:54PM ALWAYS SAY IF I KNOW THE FACTS AND I HAVE THE INFORMATION, I
1:01:56PM CAN DECIDE.
1:01:59PM RIGHT WHAT WAY.
1:02:06PM WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST?
1:02:09PM 30 YEARS.
1:02:10PM AND YOU SEE SOMETHING TO THE NAKED EYE, YOU GET A CLEAR
1:02:15PM UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU HAVE GOT TO GO.
1:02:18PM I WENT OUT THERE.
1:02:26PM BUT I SAW THE GARBAGE.
1:02:28PM I LOOKED AT THE AREA.
1:02:31PM LOOKED AT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS BEING REPLACED.
1:02:38PM IT'S A NICE VIDEO, BUT THE PUBLIC -- YOU WANT MONEY BUT THE
1:02:43PM PUBLIC IS SEEING THIS STUFF UP FRONT AND CLOSE, AND IF
1:02:51PM SOMETHING FAILS OVER THERE, QUEER IN TROUBLE.
1:02:57PM THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
1:02:59PM I MEAN, I'M OH ALL FOR DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
1:03:04PM AND MR. MIRANDA SAID, OWNING THE ASSET.
1:03:06PM IF I OWN THE ASSET, I CAN CONTROL IT.
1:03:09PM IF I OWN THE ASSET, I CAN MAKE MONEY OFF MY AS SET.
1:03:12PM WHY IN THE WORLD, OTHER THAN MAKING MONEY WHICH THE CITY
1:03:17PM DOES ALL THE TIME, LET SOMEBODY ELSE MAKE THE MONEY, AND OUR
1:03:22PM GENERAL FUND COUNTS, I JUST SAY, I THINK WE NEED TO GET ALL
1:03:27PM THE FACTS, WHETHER IT'S 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS, AND
1:03:30PM HAVE THIS INFORMATION.
1:03:32PM WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST?

1:03:34PM IT'S A NECESSITY.
1:03:39PM WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO BURN THE TRASH, MAYBE IT'S A
1:03:49PM SECRET, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE GARBAGE OUT THERE, PEOPLE WITH
1:04:01PM GARBAGE.
1:04:04PM THAT'S A NECESSITY, FOLKS.
1:04:06PM I JUST SAY GIVE ALL THE FACT, GIVE WHAT WE ASK, AND I AM
1:04:11PM SURE YOU ARE GOING TO GET WHAT YOU NEED AND THE PUBLIC CAN
1:04:13PM BE AWARE AND I CAN JUSTIFY IT.
1:04:18PM THAT'S A MEETING WE HAVE TO HAVE.
1:04:20PM THINK ABOUT IT.
1:04:20PM THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE.
1:04:22PM I AM IN SUPPORT.
1:04:25PM JUST BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC.
1:04:29PM AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE PLANS.
1:04:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS AN ISSUE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND
1:04:42PM SHOWING THE PUBLIC WE ARE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THEIR
1:04:44PM MONEY.
1:04:45PM AND COUNCILMAN MEMBER MIRANDA BROUGHT UP A GREAT ANALOGY
1:04:49PM THAT I WILL STEEL, TALKING ABOUT USED CARS OR LEASED CARS.
1:04:52PM AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE A GOOD ANALOGY OR NOT BUT
1:04:56PM LET'S IMAGINE YOU GO TO A USED CAR DEALER AND YOU SEE A CAR
1:04:59PM AND YOU ASK THE DEALER, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT
1:05:03PM CAR?
1:05:04PM I DON'T KNOW.
1:05:04PM WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT REPLACING IT?

1:05:09PM I DON'T KNOW.
1:05:10PM AND THEN SHOULD YOU DO THAT OR NOT?
1:05:12PM SHOULD YOU BUY THAT CAR STILL?
1:05:13PM OR YOU GET, AND SINCE WE ARE CUSTODIANS OF OTHER PEOPLE'S
1:05:17PM MONEY, NOT OUR OWN, WE WOULD GET A MECHANIC TO GO THERE AND
1:05:21PM LOOK AT THE CAR AND THEN THE MECHANIC WOULD SAY, YOU HAVE
1:05:23PM GOT 20,000 MAILS LEFT ON THAT TRANSMISSION, AND IN 20,000
1:05:28PM MILES IT'S GOING TO COST YOU A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR WHATEVER.
1:05:31PM YOU HAVE GOT ANOTHER 20, $30,000 ON THIS PIECE AND 40,000 ON
1:05:35PM THIS, AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU ALL OF THIS AND HERE IS THE
1:05:39PM SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE YOU HAVE TO DO OVER TIME.
1:05:41PM THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE BEING GOOD FISCAL STEWARDS WOULD DO.
1:05:46PM IN THIS CASE, WE TOOK OVER A FACILITY THAT WAS RUN BY
1:05:49PM SOMEBODY ELSE, THAT STAFF SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS
1:05:51PM BEING RUN VERY WELL.
1:05:53PM WE ALL AGREED, I THINK I VOTED FOR THAT, WE AGREED A COUPLE
1:05:56PM YEARS AGO TO TAKE IT OVER AND WE WERE ALL EXCITED ABOUT
1:05:59PM THAT.
1:05:59PM WHEN THE STAFF CAME BACK THEY SAID, $265 MILLION FOR THE
1:06:04PM TURBINE IN THIS FIRST PHASE, AND I ASKED A BASIC QUESTION,
1:06:07PM HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST AFTER THAT?
1:06:09PM I DON'T KNOW.
1:06:10PM WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION, LOOK AT THE VIDEO, WHEN YOU
1:06:12PM BOUGHT DID IT YOU DO DUE DILIGENCE? DID YOU GET THE
1:06:15PM MECHANIC TO GO LOOK UNDER THE HOOD AND SEE WHAT'S WRONG?

1:06:18PM I DON'T KNOW.
1:06:19PM DID YOU DETERMINE WHEN YOU BOUGHT 2002 YEARS AGO HOW MUCH IT
1:06:21PM WAS GOING TO COST TO FIX IT?
1:06:23PM I DON'T KNOW.
1:06:23PM AND SO MY CONCERN WAS, HOW ARE WE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE
1:06:27PM PUBLIC'S MONEY?
1:06:29PM IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS STUFF THAT'S IN THE VIDEO.
1:06:30PM ARE WE BEING GOOD CUSTODIANS.
1:06:34PM PUBLIC'S MONEY AND WE NEED TO SET EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT TO
1:06:37PM DO IN THE FUTURE.
1:06:38PM IF IT'S GOING TO BE 5 BILLION DOLLARS, LET'S NOT BE SCARED
1:06:41PM OF THE NUMBERS, LET'S JUST GET IT OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC
1:06:44PM AND FINANCE WE DON'T KNOW WITH 100 PERCENT CERTAINTY THEN
1:06:47PM SAY 50% CERTAINTY OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN SET EXPECTATIONS.
1:06:52PM MY REQUEST, I MADE A MOTION, TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY
1:06:55PM 26th.
1:06:55PM IF I MAY, AND I WON'T SPEAK NO MORE.
1:07:05PM CAN I ASK A QUESTION, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO
1:07:08PM COST?
1:07:08PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE ARE NOT HERE FOR A VOTE TODAY.
1:07:12PM WE HAVE A $17 MILLION CONTRACT ALREADY IN PLACE THAT WE ARE
1:07:18PM WORKING ON BUT WE DECIDED TO LOOKING TAKING OVER THIS
1:07:21PM FACILITY, A COMPANY DID EXTENSIVE WORK WITH US, TO DO THAT,
1:07:25PM ANTICIPATED EXPENDITURE, PLANNING, REVENUE COMPARISONS AND
1:07:28PM SO FORTH.

1:07:32PM WE HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT LED US TO THE DECISION
1:07:35PM FOUR YEARS AGO TO CONTINUE TO BE COMMITTED TO THIS PLANT AND
1:07:38PM MAKE THE APPROPRIATE UPGRADE.
1:07:39PM OUR INDUSTRY STANDARD DOES NOT CALL FOR A 30-YEAR REVENUE
1:07:44PM EQUIPMENT-LEVEL DETAILED PLAN.
1:07:46PM OUR INDUSTRY STANDARD IS FOR A FIVE-YEAR CIP AND A TEN-YEAR
1:07:51PM PROJECTION.
1:07:52PM WE CANNOT AN ADVERTISE ANTICIPATE 30 YEARS THE TECHNOLOGY,
1:07:55PM THE COST, THE WORLD DYNAMICS.
1:07:58PM IT'S JUST NOT REASONABLE TO HAVE THAT FAR OF A PROJECTION.
1:08:02PM WE STAND ON THE POLICIES, WE STAND ON THE PLANNING, WE STAND
1:08:07PM ON THE RESEARCH AND THE DATA THAT HAS LED TO US THIS POINT.
1:08:11PM WE ATTEMPTED TO SHARE THAT FRAMEWORK AND THOSE POLICIES
1:08:14PM TODAY PER THE MOTION.
1:08:16PM IT IS NOT A $265 MILLION PROJECT.
1:08:20PM SO AGAIN WE HAVE AN APPROVED FIVE-YEAR CIP THAT HAS THE
1:08:24PM TRANSFORMER NEXT FIVE YEARS OF COST IN IT.
1:08:25PM IT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.
1:08:28PM WE HAVE A TEN YEAR PROJECTION THAT WE USE FOR PLANNING
1:08:30PM PURPOSES.
1:08:31PM EVERY YEAR WE ADD THE NEW FIFTH YEAR OR NEWER TENTH YEAR AS
1:08:36PM WE CONTINUE TO BE LOOK AHEAD OF THE NEED, THE TECHNOLOGY,
1:08:39PM THE USE AND ALL THOSE FACTORS SO WE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE WITH
1:08:44PM THE PLANNING, WE HAVE ALL THE INTERNAL STAFF LOOKING AT IT
1:08:48PM FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES, FINANCE, SUSTAINABILITY, RESILIENCY,

1:08:52PM ENGINEERING, EVERYTHING.
1:08:53PM AND I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL BE PLEASED TO SEE THE CONTINUED
1:08:56PM GOOD SERVICE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING, THE GOOD RETURN ON
1:08:59PM INVESTMENT, AND THE GOOD OF BENEFITS THAT COME OUT OF THIS
1:09:03PM PLAN.
1:09:04PM SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME MAKE THOSE COMMENTS.
1:09:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
1:09:09PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:09:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN ASK QUESTIONS ALL DAY, BUT THERE WAS
1:09:15PM A NUMBER THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THEN
1:09:17PM YOU SAID THERE'S TEN YEARS, BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS
1:09:22PM TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THE INFORMATION.
1:09:23PM AS COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, WHY CAN'T WE JUST TELL THE PUBLIC
1:09:27PM THAT INFORMATION?
1:09:28PM AND SO I WOULD ASK AGAIN, MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO
1:09:32PM JANUARY 26th, AND I WILL HAVE CONVERSATIONS, AS MANY
1:09:35PM CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF --
1:09:37PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE FIVE-YEAR CIP IS OUT THERE FOR THE
1:09:40PM PUBLIC.
1:09:40PM THAT'S A KNOWN COST TODAY.
1:09:41PM WITH THOSE ASSETS THAT NEED TO BE UPGRADED.
1:09:44PM BEYOND THAT IT'S PROJECTIONS OF ANTICIPATION, WHICH IS MORE
1:09:49PM FLUID.
1:09:50PM BUT THIS LIKE EVERY OTHER AGENCY, EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT,
1:09:54PM THE SNAPSHOT IN TIME WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS TODAY IS THAT

1:09:57PM INFORMATION WHICH IS MADE PUBLIC, AT PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND
1:10:01PM THE COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE --
1:10:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT YOU TO SAY THE NUMBER.
1:10:06PM AND WE CAN CONTINUE OR WE CAN -- WE CAN CONTINUE THIS OR WE
1:10:11PM CAN -- I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
1:10:13PM THE PUBLIC JUST WANTS TO KNOW.
1:10:15PM BUT I WOULD RATHER JUST CONTINUE THIS AND WE CAN HAVE
1:10:19PM ANOTHER --
1:10:20PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS A MOTION.
1:10:25PM DO I HEAR A SECOND?
1:10:31PM LET'S BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING.
1:10:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I WANT TO BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING
1:10:37PM BUT IF SHE CAN GET THE INFORMATION SOONER BACK THAN JANUARY
1:10:41PM THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, MOVE FORWARD.
1:10:43PM MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. DUNCAN, IF YOU GET THIS INFORMATION BACK
1:10:48PM TO US SOONER THAN JANUARY, WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT AS A
1:10:52PM FRIENDLY AMENDMENT?
1:10:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR.
1:10:55PM I JUST PUT THAT THE WAY.
1:10:56PM THERE'S NO WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER.
1:10:57PM I CAN HAPPY TO DO A STAFF REPORT.
1:10:59PM I MEAN, THE REQUEST SIMPLY IS TELL US -- I DISAGREE ABOUT
1:11:04PM THE 30-YEAR THING, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, TELL US YOU PRESENTED
1:11:09PM LIKE FIVE THINGS IN THE VIDEO THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND I
1:11:11PM DON'T THINK ALL FIVE THINGS ARE UNDER THE MONEY THAT WE

1:11:14PM APPROVED BEFORE SO WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE
1:11:17PM DONE, OVER WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
1:11:19PM THERE'S SOME BASIC MAINTENANCE AND SOME LIFE SPAN OF
1:11:22PM DIFFERENT PIECES.
1:11:23PM A IF JUST KNOW THAT AS FAR OUT, JUST BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE
1:11:28PM PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, AND NOT -- I AM NOT
1:11:31PM BUILDING UP A CASE TO ARGUE AGAINST IT.
1:11:33PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC.
1:11:37PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: FIVE YEARS SPECIFIC ASSET NEEDS AND DOLLARS
1:11:40PM IN OUR APPROVED BUDGET ALREADY WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO THE
1:11:42PM PUBLIC ON OUR WEBSITE.
1:11:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S WHY I WANTED --
1:11:47PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE ARE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BE.
1:11:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, PLEASE.
1:11:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND WE PUT IT OUT THERE BUT I WANT TO
1:11:54PM SATISFY EVERYONE.
1:11:55PM WE PUT IT SOMEWHERE, LIKE AN ITEM TOMORROW MORNING, ON YOUR
1:11:58PM WEBSITE, WHATEVER IT IS, AND EXPLAIN MAYBE TELL US EXACTLY
1:12:05PM WHAT YOU ARE DOING, WHAT YOU ARE THINKING, WHAT THE TOTAL
1:12:07PM COST IS, ANTICIPATED COST IN FIVE YEARS?
1:12:10PM AFTER THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST BECAUSE
1:12:12PM INFLATION KEEPS GOING UP.
1:12:14PM IT'S MAY COST A DOLLAR AND IT MAY COST TWO DOLLARS.
1:12:17PM BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
1:12:19PM AND I THINK, IF I REMEMBER, AND WHEN I WENT DO VISIT THAT

1:12:23PM PLACE, THE FACILITY IS GOING TO BE DOWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME
1:12:30PM WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE.
1:12:32PM AM I CORRECT OR NOT?
1:12:34PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR.
1:12:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT GOING TO SATISFY THE --
1:12:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR FIVE YEARS?
1:12:43PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: EVERYTHING IS OFFLINE BEFORE UPGRADES ARE
1:12:47PM MADE THERE.
1:12:48PM WILL BE OTHER UPGRADE IN THE FUTURE WHERE IT WILL PROBABLY
1:12:51PM REQUIRE DOWN TIME OF CERTAIN ASSETS AS WELL.
1:12:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
1:12:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
1:12:56PM YOU ALL DID A VIDEO.
1:12:58PM YOU ALL PUT THE WORK INTO THE VIDEO BUT YOU DIDN'T ASK THE
1:13:02PM QUESTION.
1:13:02PM IF THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, ALL WE HAD TO DO IS
1:13:05PM PRESENT --
1:13:07PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: ALL OF THE INFORMATION --
1:13:11PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I AM GOING TO BRING THIS IN FOR A
1:13:15PM LANDING.
1:13:15PM YOU HAVE A MOTION TO BE MADE.
1:13:17PM COUNCILMAN GUDES SECONDED IT.
1:13:23PM COUNCILMAN VIERA?
1:13:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
1:13:27PM APPRECIATE THAT.

1:13:27PM I HAVE A QUESTION.
1:13:28PM AND AGAIN, IF A COUNCILMEMBER HAS A REPORT, WHATEVER, THEY
1:13:33PM WANT TO HAVE IT CONTINUED, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS A
1:13:37PM PRESUMPTION THAT YOU WANT TO AGREE WITH THAT.
1:13:41PM BUT IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT CAME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN TO
1:13:44PM BE SPEAK TODAY?
1:13:46PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT UNFORTUNATELY HAD
1:13:48PM TO LEAVE.
1:13:48PM DID HE COME FROM TALLAHASSEE.
1:13:52PM I'M SORRY.
1:13:54PM I HAD HEARD YOU LEFT.
1:13:55PM SO THIS GENTLEMAN, HIS BIRTHDAY, MAY I ADD, FOR SUPPORT,
1:14:03PM ALONG WITH MANY TEAM MEMBERS.
1:14:05PM WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERT ON THIS PROJECT.
1:14:08PM SO AGAIN WE FEEL CONFIDENT OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN
1:14:12PM APPROVED AND WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO TO IMPROVE THIS
1:14:14PM FACILITY.
1:14:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
1:14:17PM WE ALL HAVE QUESTIONS.
1:14:21PM ONE VOTE.
1:14:22PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THIS UP SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
1:14:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I ASKED FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, IF MS.
1:14:29PM DUNCAN CAN GET DID INFORMATION THAT MR. CARLSON IS LOOKING
1:14:32PM FOR, ALL OF US ARE LOOKING FOR FIVE, TEN, WHAT IS IT GOING
1:14:36PM TO COST?

1:14:38PM WE KNOW YOU HAVE A SHUTDOWN.
1:14:39PM WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST TO SAY WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST?
1:14:44PM I KNOW INFLATION GOES BUT IF WE CAN GET A GENERAL COST,
1:14:48PM REPLACE THIS, REPLACE THAT.
1:14:49PM I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
1:14:50PM YOU HAVE TO REPLACE A LOT OF STUFF.
1:14:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE REQUEST ISN'T PRESENTED TO THE
1:14:54PM PUBLIC.
1:14:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
1:14:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: NOT JUST PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE BUT
1:14:59PM PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC.
1:15:00PM I THINK IF YOU ALL CAN PRESENT IT IN A STAFF REPORT SOONER
1:15:04PM I'M OKAY IF IT'S TEN SLIDES OR 20 SLIDES, BUT ANSWERING ALL
1:15:08PM THE OTHER QUESTIONS, IT'S ANSWERING A SPECIFIC QUESTION
1:15:11PM ABOUT WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO?
1:15:14PM I HAVE THE STUDIED PROJECT MANAGERS AND WORKED ON PROJECTS,
1:15:17PM MOST OF THEM ARE AT LEAST 20 YEARS AND MOSTLY 30 YEARS.
1:15:20PM I DON'T AGREE WITH THE TEN YEARS.
1:15:21PM BUT ANYWAY, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A LIST THAT WAS PRESENTED TO
1:15:24PM US ABOUT TEN YEARS.
1:15:25PM SO --
1:15:27PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THINK THAT WOULD ANSWER YOUR
1:15:31PM QUESTION.
1:15:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
1:15:36PM IF WE CAN GET MS. DONE CAN --

1:15:39PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IF I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUEST IS, SO
1:15:40PM WE DO HAVE A FIVE-YEAR CIP THAT LISTS SPECIFIC ASSETS WITH
1:15:44PM SPECIFIC COSTS ALREADY OUT IN THE PUBLIC REALM.
1:15:48PM BEYOND THAT, IF YOU WANTED SOME DIFFERENT VERSION OF THAT
1:15:51PM WITH A LISTING OF THE ASSETS AND THE COSTS, WE CAN PUT IN
1:15:55PM THE SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT FORMAT.
1:15:57PM BUT I AM STRUGGLING TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THAT THE WE ARE NOT
1:16:01PM ANSWERING? WE ARE MAKING A SINCERE EFFORT TO ANSWER YOUR
1:16:04PM QUESTIONS AS BEST WE CAN.
1:16:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WHAT COUNCIL IS ASKING, WE KNOW WE
1:16:08PM HAVE AN ISSUE OUT THERE AT THE PLANT.
1:16:11PM WE ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE GOT TO DO A INCINERATOR.
1:16:16PM SOME OTHER STUFF, WE ARE SAYING, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO REPLACE
1:16:20PM OVER A TIME SPAN, AND WHAT WILL THAT GENERAL COST FOR THE
1:16:24PM WHOLE PLANT TO BE REFURBISHED?
1:16:27PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE HAVE THAT IN THE FIVE-YEAR CIP BUT IF
1:16:30PM THAT FORMAT ISN'T TRANSLATING WELL, WE CAN REFORMAT THAT TO
1:16:33PM PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
1:16:35PM WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE INFORMATION.
1:16:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
1:16:47PM THAT WOULD HELP --
1:16:49PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: HAPPY TO DO THAT.
1:16:51PM THANK YOU.
1:16:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO BRING THAT CIP BACK IN AN
1:16:55PM EASIER-TO-DIGEST FORMAT FOR PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL.

1:17:05PM THAT WILL WORK?
1:17:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, THE SIMPLE THING --
1:17:09PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:17:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: TO MODIFY THE MOTION BASED ON WHAT THEY
1:17:13PM JUST SAID, TO HAVE -- TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK AND SHOW US
1:17:17PM THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OVER WHAT TIME AND HOW
1:17:21PM MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO COST.
1:17:23PM IN A FORMAT THAT CAN BE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC SO THE
1:17:26PM PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS OF THIS.
1:17:30PM NOT TO JUSTIFY IT BUT JUST SPRAIN IN A TRANSPARENT WAY TO
1:17:33PM THE PUBLIC.
1:17:35PM AND A DATE THAT YOU ARE READY SOMETIME BEFORE --
1:17:39PM >> IF WE DON'T JUSTIFY IT, THEN MRS. DUNCAN, ON SOCIAL
1:17:46PM MEDIA, BLASTING IT OUT, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC GETS
1:17:50PM EVERY FORM OF INFORMATION IF WE ARE NOT JUSTIFYING IT, THEN
1:17:55PM WHY ARE WE -- I COULD SEE IT.
1:18:01PM NOW, WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA SEE THIS
1:18:03PM BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
1:18:05PM YOU ARE SAYING IT'S NOT JUSTIFIED.
1:18:08PM BUT WE ARE GOING ON.
1:18:09PM WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
1:18:12PM AMENDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:18:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MADAM CLERK?
1:18:20PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
1:18:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU DO IT IN STAFF REPORTS ON

1:18:34PM NOVEMBER 17th?
1:18:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DECEMBER 15th?
1:18:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY CARLSON.
1:18:47PM AMENDED BY COUNCILMAN -- MR. SHELBY?
1:18:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
1:18:55PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, MS. DUNCAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT
1:18:58PM IS BEING REQUESTED NOW, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE
1:19:00PM MAKER OF THE MOTION?
1:19:02PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: AS WE KNOW OF TODAY, THE ITEMS, THE TIME
1:19:05PM FRAME FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE AND THE
1:19:08PM COSTS OF THOSE.
1:19:13PM THAT'S WHAT I JUST WROTE DOWN FROM THE LAST COMMENT THAT WAS
1:19:16PM MADE.
1:19:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CARLSON, DID YOU WANT THAT AS A
1:19:22PM WRITTEN REPORT?
1:19:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, I SAID SEVERAL TIMES I WANT THEM TO
1:19:29PM PRESENT.
1:19:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
1:19:31PM THANK YOU.
1:19:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND WE HAVE STILL NOT HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.
1:19:43PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO READ ALL OF THE ITEMS
1:19:45PM RIGHT NOW AND THE COSTS.
1:19:46PM BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO DO IT IN WRITING IF THAT'S WHAT YOU
1:19:51PM PREFER.
1:19:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE -- GREAT.

1:20:01PM LET'S HEAR FROM THE EXPERT.
1:20:07PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:20:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S 1:20 AND WE HAVE NOT
1:20:11PM EATEN.
1:20:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS NOW FOR 15
1:20:18PM MINUTES.
1:20:19PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, PLEASE.
1:20:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M VERY HUNGRY.
1:20:23PM CAN WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN OF LIKE TEN MORE MINUTES?
1:20:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TEN MORE MINUTES.
1:20:29PM WHAT TIME IS IT NOW?
1:20:31PM IT'S 20 AFTER.
1:20:31PM SO AT 1:30, AFTER THAT 12:30 TIME CERTAIN THAT WE WERE
1:20:36PM SUPPOSED TO GO.
1:20:38PM SO LET'S TAKE UP COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION, SHALL WE?
1:20:46PM LET'S DO A ROLL CALL ON THAT ONE.
1:21:06PM COUNCILMAN GUDES LEFT.
1:21:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
1:21:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
1:21:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
1:21:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
1:21:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
1:21:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
1:21:21PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN
1:21:23PM CITRO VOTING NO.

1:21:24PM >> IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS.
1:21:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
1:21:35PM THIS ITEM WAS MOVED UP BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMEBODY FROM
1:21:38PM TALLAHASSEE WHO WAS GOING TO BE LEAVING.
1:21:40PM THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT PERSON GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO
1:21:43PM COUNCIL?
1:21:43PM IS THAT PART OF THIS PROCESS?
1:21:45PM HE WASN'T GOING TO BE?
1:21:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE DONE WITH THAT MOTION.
1:21:57PM I WILL JUST MAKE A COMMENT.
1:21:59PM LET'S GO BACK TO THE CAR ANALOGY.
1:22:01PM I GOT TIRES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO LAST 30 THE THOUSAND MILES.
1:22:06PM I HAVE TO CHANGE THEM AFTER 20.
1:22:08PM WHY?
1:22:08PM US WHAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KEEP THEM BALANCED AND ROTATED.
1:22:12PM I HAVE A TRANSMISSION THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LAST 70 THAN
1:22:14PM THOUSAND MILES.
1:22:15PM IT'S GONE.
1:22:16PM WHY?
1:22:16PM I DIDN'T CHANGE THE TRANSMISSION FLUID.
1:22:19PM I GOT AN ENGINE THAT'S BLOWN, SUPPOSED TO LAST ME FOR
1:22:23PM 200,000 MILES.
1:22:25PM WHY IS IT BLOWN?
1:22:26PM I DIDN'T CHANGE THE OIL.
1:22:29PM ALL RIGHT.

1:22:29PM WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BACK FROM LUNCH AT 2:00.
1:22:32PM >> TO MAKE A STATEMENT ON THIS ISSUE LIKE THE REST OF THEM.
1:22:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. ROBINSON?
1:22:46PM >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
1:22:49PM JOE ROBINSON.
1:22:50PM THE RESIDENT EXPERT, THE MAN OUT OF TALLAHASSEE HAS BEEN
1:22:55PM WORKING ON THIS PLANT SINCE 1998, KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT.
1:23:01PM AND THE MILEAGE ON THE CAR IS WHAT YOU GOT.
1:23:04PM THESE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY THERE.
1:23:06PM WHEN YOU ALL COME BACK THESE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY THERE.
1:23:10PM WE KNOW THAT $17 MILLION IS APPROVED, THIS PROJECT COULD GO
1:23:14PM TO 60 MILLION BY THE TIME IT'S THERE.
1:23:17PM IF YOU WAIT TOO LATE IT'S GOING TO BE ASTRONOMICAL BECAUSE
1:23:20PM IF YOU LOSE THAT TURBINE, YOU LOSE THE TRANSFORMER, THIS IS
1:23:26PM ALL MOOT.
1:23:27PM YOU ARE IN BLACKOUT.
1:23:29PM IT'S CALLED A FORCED OUTAGE.
1:23:33PM YOU DIDN'T ASK BUT I AM VOLUNTEERING THIS.
1:23:36PM SOLID WASTE IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
1:23:38PM THE 265 MILLION IS NOT WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS PLANT.
1:23:41PM THAT IS 35 MILLION FOR THE STATION, TO MOVE THE PEOPLE OUT
1:23:44PM OF CARVER CITY, BUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF THEY ARE
1:23:47PM DOING IN SOLID WASTE.
1:23:49PM AND I SAW THAT 3 OR 4 WEEKS AGO.
1:23:54PM BROKE DOWN, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF SOLID WASTE DOING

1:24:00PM AND AIN'T GOING NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PLANT TO MAKE THAT
1:24:03PM 270 MILLION.
1:24:06PM NOW, I AM GOING TO SAY THIS.
1:24:07PM THIS IS A COMPLEX SOLUTION, A COMPLEX PROBLEM, YOU HAVE
1:24:13PM 53rd MAINTAIN ANY WHICH MEANS NO MAINTENANCE AND GOT RAN
1:24:17PM IN THE GROUND, THE CITY OF TAMPA WANT TO OPERATE IT.
1:24:20PM YOU AIN'T EVEN PAYING THE PEOPLE ENOUGH MONEY.
1:24:23PM GET HR TO PAY ENOUGH MONEY.
1:24:25PM YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET QUALITY TEAM TO RUN THAT PLANT ONCE
1:24:29PM YOU GET IT LIKE YOU WANT TO BE.
1:24:31PM GIVE PEOPLE A RAISE.
1:24:33PM THEY AIN'T GOING TO COME WORK FOR THAT.
1:24:35PM AND ABRUPT PLAN FAILS.
1:24:37PM IT FAILS RIGHT NOW.
1:24:39PM WHAT ABOUT THE TREES WE GOT AROUND WEST TAMPA?
1:24:44PM WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE HURRICANE HIT?
1:24:47PM GOT GREAT STUFF IS THE TO BURN BECAUSE IT'S CLEAN.
1:24:50PM I BEEN DEALING WITH THIS.
1:24:51PM I AM A MECHANICAL ENGINEER.
1:24:53PM THE ONLY PE IN THIS ROOM THAT WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, I
1:24:55PM THINK.
1:24:59PM CITY DON'T EVEN HAVE ONE ON STAFF.
1:25:01PM I AM DOING THIS FREE.
1:25:02PM I AM HUNGRY LIKE YOU, MS. HURTAK.
1:25:07PM I AM GOING TO STAY FOR THIS AND I WON'T BE BACK.

1:25:10PM I HAVE HAD ENOUGH.
1:25:11PM BUT I AM HERE TO TELL YOU, I AGREE WITH CHARLIE.
1:25:14PM CHARLIE IS RIGHT ON THIS ONE.
1:25:19PM MR. CARLSON, THEY GOT WHAT YOU WANT.
1:25:22PM YOU SEE EVERY DOCUMENT THERE IS AND THEY ARE GOING TO LAY IT
1:25:25PM ON THE TABLE AND THEY ARE GOING TO BREAK IT OUT BUT IT'S
1:25:27PM TIME TO MAKE IT REAL TRANSPARENT.
1:25:29PM AND CHARLIE TOLD YOU, IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY.
1:25:34PM YOU HAVE TO DO MAINTENANCE F.THIS TURBAN GENERATOR FAILS,
1:25:37PM THIS IS A MOOT POINT.
1:25:39PM YOU ARE PROBABLY TO NEED ANOTHER 100 MILLION TO GET ALL THE
1:25:43PM DEFERRED TRASH, ALL THE DEFERRED LOCATIONS.
1:25:45PM YOU BETTER GET THOSE CONTRACTS IN PLACE.
1:25:47PM OKAY.
1:25:47PM YOU NEED TO GET A BACKUP PLAN.
1:25:49PM AND I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.
1:25:51PM AND I GAVE YOU MY CIVIL SERVICE AND I DO REPRESENT THE
1:25:55PM PUBLIC, MR. CARLSON.
1:25:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE
1:25:59PM TO SPEAK TO THIS?
1:26:01PM WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
1:26:03PM WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 2:30.
1:26:09PM (RECESS)
1:26:11PM

2:31:39PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
2:31:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN SESSION.
2:31:42PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
2:31:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
2:31:53PM >> VIERA?
2:31:53PM MANISCALCO?
2:31:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
2:31:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
2:31:58PM >> GUDES?
2:31:59PM MIRANDA?
2:32:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
2:32:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
2:32:04PM THANK YOU.
2:32:07PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE NUMBER E2022-8, CHAPTER 27.
2:32:16PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
2:32:20PM CAN WE GET THE PRESENTATION UP FROM WHERE WE LEFT OFF?
2:32:23PM AWESOME.
2:32:24PM THIS IS, I THINK, THE MOMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR,
2:32:28PM WHICH IS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES
2:32:31PM TO THE CODE.
2:32:32PM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, QUICK BACKGROUND, THEY ARE ALLOWED
2:32:40PM IN THE CITY IN TWO LOCATIONS.
2:32:41PM ONE, LOWRY PARK CENTRAL, WHICH WAS A PRIVATELY INITIATED
2:32:44PM TEXT AMENDMENT, 2003-2004 TIME FRAME.
2:32:48PM AND, OF COURSE, IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY
2:32:51PM COUNCIL, WHEN THE CITY ADOPTED SH DISTRICT.

2:32:54PM WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE CODE IS A DEFINITION OF WHAT AN
2:32:58PM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
2:32:59PM THE LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED THAT YOU CAN SEE UP THERE, IS A
2:33:01PM DWELLING UNIT THAT SERVES AS AN ACCESSORY USE FOR PRINCIPAL
2:33:05PM USE.
2:33:06PM THAT IS MIMICKED IN THE STATE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN FLORIDA
2:33:09PM STATUTES.
2:33:09PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS WE GO FROM
2:33:16PM SLIDE TO SLIDE.
2:33:19PM HOW WOULD COUNCIL LIKE TO HANDLE THAT?
2:33:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:33:25PM >>ERIC COTTON: THERE ARE A LOT OF SECTIONS.
2:33:27PM DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM OR DO YOU HAVE
2:33:29PM QUESTIONS AND PAUSE?
2:33:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'D LIKE TO.
2:33:32PM AND IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY OR TOWARD THE END OF
2:33:35PM EACH SECTION, WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS ASKED.
2:33:39PM >>ERIC COTTON: OKAY.
2:33:39PM SO ONE OF THE APPEALS THAT CITY COUNCIL HEARS ON A REGULAR
2:33:47PM BASIS IS WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT
2:33:52PM IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS OR EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE ELSEWHERE
2:33:55PM IN THE CITY, THEY ARE PUTTING IT INTO A DETACHED STRUCTURE
2:33:59PM IN THE BACKYARD, INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED THREE FEET, THREE
2:34:02PM FEET IS AT TWO AND A HALF FEET.
2:34:04PM ADMINISTRATIVELY, STAFF DENIES THAT REQUEST.

2:34:06PM THEY APPEAL TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL HEARS THE ARGUMENTS AND
2:34:10PM PROBABLY 95% OF THE TIME HAS WAIVED THAT REQUIRED SETBACK
2:34:15PM AND GRANTED A RELIEF TO THAT SECTION OF CHAPTER 27-132.
2:34:20PM SO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S UP HERE IS FOR LANGUAGE FOR BOTH
2:34:24PM EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES AND FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS
2:34:27PM IS VERY SIMILAR.
2:34:29PM FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, IT CANNOT BE LOCATED IN A
2:34:33PM NONCONFORMING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE MADE CONFORMING
2:34:36PM AS A RESULT OF VARIANCE.
2:34:38PM SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE MIMICS THE SAME LANGUAGE.
2:34:41PM WHAT THIS IS PROPOSING IS ALLOWING STAFF TO APPROVE THOSE
2:34:44PM INSTANCES WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS NONCONFORMING.
2:34:47PM INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR A PETITION FOR
2:34:49PM REVIEW AND ADDING ANOTHER 45, 60 DAYS' WORTH OF TIME, THIS
2:34:53PM WOULD ELIMINATE THAT.
2:34:54PM WHAT HAPPENS NOW FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CAME FROM THE VARIANCE
2:34:56PM REVIEW BOARD, CHAIR CITRO AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WHEN A
2:35:03PM VARIANCE IS GRANTED, THAT STRUCTURE NOW HAS STANDING, SO TO
2:35:07PM SPEAK, TO STAY THERE.
2:35:09PM IF THEY WERE TO REMODEL IN THE FUTURE, KNOCK IT DOWN, THEY
2:35:11PM COULD GO BACK TO THAT TWO FOOT SETBACK.
2:35:14PM WITH THIS LANGUAGE, IF IT'S APPROVED, THEY KNOCK DOWN THAT
2:35:17PM STRUCTURE, CATCHES ON FIRE, WHATEVER, THEY HAVE TO BUILD IT
2:35:20PM BACK TO THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT IT'S
2:35:22PM IN.

2:35:23PM THAT WOULDN'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
2:35:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS?
2:35:28PM ANY QUESTIONS?
2:35:29PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:35:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE'RE ON NUMBER 7, RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
2:35:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:35:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS I READ, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING,
2:35:40PM SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING WITH SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
2:35:43PM IS THIS FOR A FAMILY MEMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?
2:35:46PM >>ERIC COTTON: EXTENDED FAMILY OR FOR THE FAMILY MEMBER WHEN
2:35:48PM THEY GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE.
2:35:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE IN THE TRUST BUT VERIFY.
2:35:54PM HOW DO WE KNOW THEY ARE A FAMILY MEMBER?
2:35:56PM IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU COME INTO THIS COUNTRY YOU HAVE TO
2:36:01PM FILL OUT A BUNCH OF FORMS.
2:36:03PM YOU HAVE TO BE PROCESSED AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
2:36:05PM YOU PUT A FAMILY MEMBER TO CHECK ALL THAT OUT.
2:36:07PM DO WE REALLY CHECK THEM OUT OR TAKE THEIR WORD?
2:36:10PM >>ERIC COTTON: THEY SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT AND NORMALLY PEOPLE
2:36:14PM SUBMIT EITHER LIKE WEDDING LICENSE, THEY ARE MARRIED OR
2:36:19PM SUBMIT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHO THEIR MOM WAS OR FATHER.
2:36:24PM THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT --
2:36:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT OPPOSED TO -- WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
2:36:29PM THIS CITY IS THIS.
2:36:31PM THERE ARE HOUSES THAT ARE BOUGHT.

2:36:33PM THERE ARE HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS AND HAVE
2:36:36PM HAD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING WITHOUT RESIDENCY, THE DWELLING OF
2:36:40PM A MEMBER.
2:36:41PM AND THOSE -- LET ME USE AN EXAMPLE LIKE I DID TODAY.
2:36:46PM LET'S SAY MY HOUSE WHERE I LIVE AT $800 A YEAR TAXES BECAUSE
2:36:50PM I LIVE -- BUT A HOUSE LIKE MINE THAT'S NOT HOMESTEADED, IT
2:36:54PM IS ABOUT $3,000 A YEAR.
2:36:56PM BECAUSE WHY?
2:36:57PM IT'S NO LONGER A SINGLE-FAMILY USE AND NOT HOMESTEADED.
2:37:00PM BEEN THERE 20, 30 YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN COLLECTED RENT AND I
2:37:07PM CAN VERIFY EVERYTHING I'M SAYING TO YOU.
2:37:09PM WHEN I SAY YOU, SIR, NOT YOU DIRECTLY.
2:37:12PM JUST YOU SIMPLE.
2:37:17PM THEY PAY NOTHING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN INCOME BECAUSE
2:37:22PM STILL UNDER THEIR NAME, WATER BILL IS UNDER THEIR WATER
2:37:25PM BILL.
2:37:26PM THE ELECTRIC BILL IS UNDER THEM.
2:37:27PM BUT THEY ARE COLLECTING RENT BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU.
2:37:32PM THERE WERE 232 OF THESE FOUND IN A SMALL SECTION OF WHERE I
2:37:35PM LIVE.
2:37:36PM NOTICE I'M NOT MENTIONING NAMES OF WHERE I LIVE.
2:37:40PM THAT WAS ONLY A SMALL SECTION.
2:37:42PM IT COULD BE A THOUSAND OF THEM WHERE I LIVE.
2:37:45PM NOW, THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS LOOKING FOR MONEY.
2:37:50PM I LOOKED AT MY BILL JUST LAST NIGHT, AND I'LL ROUND IT OFF

2:37:54PM TO $2,000 INSTEAD SO I CAN EQUATE THE SYSTEM.
2:37:59PM 1,000 OF THAT 2,000 IN AD VALOREM TAXES GOES TO THE SCHOOL
2:38:03PM BOARD.
2:38:03PM THE OTHER 500 TO THE COUNTY AND 500 TO THE CITY OR
2:38:06PM THEREABOUTS, A FEW DOLLARS APART.
2:38:09PM YOU KNOW HOW MUCH REVENUE IS BEING LEFT ON THE TABLE?
2:38:12PM MILLIONS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE.
2:38:17PM I'M NOT BLAMING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
2:38:19PM LET ME SAY THAT.
2:38:20PM I'M NOT BLAMING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
2:38:22PM THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR VARIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS.
2:38:24PM NOW I'M SUPPOSED TO TAKE THIS AND SWALLOW THE PILL IN MY
2:38:31PM SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AND ONE BLOCK THERE'S THREE OF THEM.
2:38:34PM ONE VERY CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE.
2:38:37PM GOT AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR APARTMENTS.
2:38:39PM HOW DO THEY DO IT?
2:38:43PM WHEN YOU SEE THE OPENING OF A GATE, THAT THE OUTSIDE IS
2:38:47PM WHERE YOU PUT THE KEY IN, YOU GOT A PROBLEM.
2:38:52PM IT DOESN'T TAKE A KID FROM YBOR CITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
2:38:54PM IN FACT, 10, 15 YEARS AGO, GUESS WHAT, AT MY OWN HOUSE WHERE
2:39:00PM I LIVED, I GOT CITED.
2:39:02PM I SAID HOW CAN I BE RENTING WHEN YOU CAN'T GET IN THE BACK
2:39:06PM OR THE FRONT?
2:39:07PM THE LOCKS ARE ON THE INSIDE AND NOT THE OUTSIDE. I SHOWED
2:39:13PM TO THEM.

2:39:15PM SOMEBODY MUST HAVE SAID HE'S DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
2:39:19PM LIKE WHAT I WAS DOING.
2:39:21PM IT'S GOT TO BE STOPPED.
2:39:23PM TAXPAYERS ARE SUBSIDIZING THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
2:39:25PM THEY ARE NOT PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE OF AD VALOREM TAX AND
2:39:29PM THEY ARE PAYING NO INCOME TAX ON THE EARNINGS.
2:39:31PM AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NEW AMERICANS.
2:39:37PM THEY ARE MY KIND.
2:39:38PM MY NATIONALITY AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
2:39:41PM DO YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT?
2:39:45PM ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS WITHOUT DOING THAT?
2:39:48PM >>ERIC COTTON: WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING WOULD NOT BE LEGAL.
2:39:51PM THIS DOES NOT ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AT ALL.
2:39:53PM THOSE ARE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND CODE ENFORCEMENT --
2:39:54PM YOU'RE AWARE THEY DID A SWEEP OF WEST TAMPA PROBABLY ABOUT
2:40:00PM TEN YEARS AGO AND THEY CITED A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT WERE
2:40:03PM LIKE THAT.
2:40:03PM THE ONES THAT ARE ILLEGAL GET CITED.
2:40:05PM THE ONES THAT ARE NOT ILLEGAL WOULD NOT BE CITED.
2:40:08PM THIS WOULDN'T ADDRESS THAT ANYWAY.
2:40:10PM THIS IS FOR EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES WHICH IS STILL AN
2:40:14PM ISSUE, ONE, EVEN IN THE CODE TODAY WOULD STILL REMAIN THAT.
2:40:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GOING TO BE CITYWIDE OR JUST IN CERTAIN
2:40:20PM AREAS OF THE CITY?
2:40:21PM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS LANGUAGE -- WELL, THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS

2:40:23PM ON THE SCREEN IS CITYWIDE.
2:40:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CITYWIDE.
2:40:27PM CAN BE ANY PART OF THE CITY.
2:40:28PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
2:40:29PM EXTENDING FAMILY RESIDENCES.
2:40:31PM THEY STILL REMAIN SPECIAL USES.
2:40:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
2:40:34PM WHAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM, IN CASE WE SEGREGATE IN CERTAIN
2:40:38PM PARTS OF THE CITY BECAUSE THEN WE'RE NOT APPLYING THE LAW
2:40:43PM EQUAL.
2:40:43PM WE'RE DIVIDING IT THE WAY WE WANT, ONLY CERTAIN PARTS OF THE
2:40:47PM CITY RECEIVE THAT.
2:40:48PM THE OTHER PART DOES NOT.
2:40:52PM >>ERIC COTTON: THAT WILL COME -- THE ACCESSORY DWELLING
2:40:54PM UNITS WHERE THEY ARE ALLOWED IS FURTHER IN THIS
2:40:56PM PRESENTATION.
2:40:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
2:41:00PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:41:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO SAVE THIS COMMENT FOR LATER,
2:41:07PM BUT SINCE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT EXTENDED FAMILY
2:41:10PM RESIDENCES, I FIND THIS TOPIC, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
2:41:13PM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE VERY
2:41:16PM CONFUSING.
2:41:17PM I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD DO AWAY WITH EXTENDED FAMILY
2:41:19PM RESIDENCES AND FIND A WAY TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.

2:41:23PM I'LL SAY THAT RIGHT NOW.
2:41:24PM I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT AT SOME
2:41:28PM POINT BECAUSE THIS IS CONFUSING.
2:41:30PM HE'S RIGHT.
2:41:30PM WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO
2:41:34PM CHECK ON THESE THINGS.
2:41:36PM AND, YES, I REALIZE THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME TAX
2:41:39PM IMPLICATIONS FOR SOME PEOPLE.
2:41:42PM AGAIN, THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, BUT IT IS TOO MUCH
2:41:45PM OF A BURDEN ON THE CITY.
2:41:47PM I TECHNICALLY HAVE AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE, AND IN
2:41:52PM SEVEN YEARS, NO ONE HAS EVER COME TO INVESTIGATE.
2:41:54PM THEY HAVE SENT LETTERS AND WE'VE SET UP TIMES AND THEN THEY
2:41:57PM KEEP CANCELING.
2:41:59PM YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED ONCE A YEAR, AND IT'S JUST
2:42:03PM NEVER HAPPENED FOR US.
2:42:05PM SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF IT'S NOT HAPPENING FOR
2:42:07PM ME, IT'S PROBABLY NOT HAPPENING FOR OTHER PEOPLE AND THEN
2:42:10PM OTHER PEOPLE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT SYSTEM.
2:42:14PM AND SO I SEE EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS SAYING.
2:42:19PM I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE REDOING THIS, THIS IS THE PERFECT
2:42:22PM TIME TO LOOK AT TAKING THESE AWAY AND FIGURING OUT JUST ONE
2:42:26PM METHOD.
2:42:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:42:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE TALKED THIS MORNING ABOUT THE PROCESS.

2:42:32PM I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE WHAT IS OUR PROCESS?
2:42:35PM SOMEONE GOES AND APPLY?
2:42:38PM MY THING IS IF YOU'RE APPLYING, WE SHOULD HAVE A REGISTER, A
2:42:43PM TALLY SO WE CAN TRUST AND VERIFY.
2:42:46PM SO WHAT IS OUR PROCESS?
2:42:48PM >>ERIC COTTON: CURRENTLY IN THE CODE FOR BOTH AN EXTENDED
2:42:51PM FAMILY RESIDENCE AND AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, THEY ARE
2:42:54PM BOTH SPECIAL USE 1s, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS
2:42:57PM REQUIRED, NOTICE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS
2:43:01PM TO MEET FOR EXTENDED FAMILY, ONE OF THOSE IT HAS TO BE A
2:43:05PM RELATIVE, CAN'T BE SEPARATELY METERED, THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES
2:43:09PM BUT THEY ARE BOTH SPECIAL USES REQUIRING NOTICE.
2:43:12PM THEY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN, REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, PROVIDE
2:43:15PM EVIDENCE OF WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIVING THERE.
2:43:17PM IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE CODE WE CAN
2:43:20PM APPROVE IT.
2:43:21PM IF THEY CAN'T MEET THE CRITERIA, WE DENY IT AND FILE TO COME
2:43:27PM BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
2:43:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: REGARDLESS IF A FAMILY MEMBER, IT IS A BACK
2:43:32PM DWELLER.
2:43:33PM EVEN IN YOU DIDN'T HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER LIVING THERE,
2:43:36PM SHOULDN'T THAT STILL BE REGISTERED OR CAN WE PUT THAT
2:43:39PM REGARDLESS OF A FAMILY MEMBER?
2:43:41PM THAT WAY WE'RE COLLECTING THE TAXES ON THAT?
2:43:44PM >>ERIC COTTON: WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PROPERTY

2:43:46PM APPRAISER'S OFFICE, EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES BECAUSE THEY
2:43:50PM ARE NOT INCOME GENERATED ARE NOT TAX.
2:43:53PM THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL TAX ON THEM.
2:43:55PM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
2:43:59PM DISCUSSING LATER ON IN THIS PRESENTATION ARE TAXED.
2:44:02PM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER DOES ASSIGN A VALUE AND THEY DO TAX
2:44:06PM THOSE.
2:44:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE HEARING
2:44:10PM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
2:44:12PM ANY BUILDING OTHER THAN YOUR FAMILY BUILDING, IF YOU PUT A
2:44:16PM SHED IN THE BACK, GUESS WHAT, YOU PAY EXTRA FOR THE SHED.
2:44:20PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
2:44:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE --
2:44:23PM AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ENCLOSED THEIR CARPORT
2:44:28PM AND CHARGING SIX OR SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS ON THE SIDE OF A
2:44:32PM CARPORT, NO BIGGER THAN FROM HERE TO MISTER -- A SQUARE.
2:44:35PM LET'S SAY 16 BY 10 AND THEY ARE GETTING $600 A MONTH.
2:44:39PM THERE IS A TOILET, A LITTLE BED, AND A TV SET.
2:44:43PM AND YOU TOOK ON A LITTLE COLEMAN GAS STOVE OR WHATEVER.
2:44:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOT PLATE.
2:44:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S RIGHT.
2:44:52PM AND THEY CHARGE FOR THAT.
2:44:53PM HERE, I'M NOT TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM WHAT YOU GOT, BUT HOW
2:44:56PM IN THE WORLD CAN SOMEBODY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S REAL PROPERTY
2:44:59PM NOW AND NOT BE TAXED?

2:45:03PM >>ERIC COTTON: THOSE UNITS LIKE THAT ARE ILLEGAL.
2:45:05PM I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND FILE FOR --
2:45:09PM THEY GET CITED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.
2:45:11PM THEY GO THROUGH A PROCESS FORMAL DECISION OF THE ZONING
2:45:13PM ADMINISTRATOR WHERE THEY TRY TO PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT THE
2:45:16PM USE WAS LEGALLY ESTABLISHED EITHER, A, PRIOR TO ZONING.
2:45:19PM A LOT OF TIMES THEY WERE ESTABLISHED THREE YEARS AGO.
2:45:22PM DECISION IS DENIED.
2:45:24PM CODE ENFORCEMENT THEN CONTINUES WITH THAT PROCESS OF CODE
2:45:26PM ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE THEM -- TRY TO MAKE THEM REMOVE THE
2:45:29PM SECOND UNIT.
2:45:31PM WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY TALK TO ME AND SAY WE'RE GOING
2:45:34PM TO PROVE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FINDING IN YOUR FAVOR,
2:45:39PM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WILL ON OCCASION TRY TO GO BACK AND
2:45:41PM COLLECT BACK TAXES ON PEOPLE.
2:45:43PM IF THE UNITS WERE ILLEGALLY ESTABLISHED OR LEGALLY
2:45:46PM ESTABLISHED, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND SAY, HEY,
2:45:48PM YOU OWE US FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS.
2:45:51PM YOU COLLECTED THIS MUCH.
2:45:52PM YOU HAD THE SECOND UNIT THAT WAS INCOME-GENERATING, YOU OWE
2:45:56PM US MONEY.
2:45:57PM IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL AT THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
2:45:59PM THAT'S NOT US.
2:46:00PM THAT'S THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.
2:46:04PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I CAN JUST ADD, ABBYE FEELEY, THE

2:46:07PM DISCUSSION TODAY, I SEE WHERE IT'S GOING IN RELATION TO THE
2:46:10PM TAXES AND THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT THE TAXING AUTHORITY, YOU
2:46:14PM KNOW, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IS.
2:46:18PM WHAT WE'RE HERE ON TODAY, I WANT TO PULL IT BACK TO THAT
2:46:21PM FORWARD SECOND IS YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL APPEALS COME TO YOU
2:46:25PM OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS RELATED TO NONCONFORMING
2:46:29PM STRUCTURES, STRUCTURES THAT HAVE A TWO-FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD
2:46:32PM OF A THREE FOR A DETACHED UNIT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING ON A
2:46:36PM PROPERTY AND THEY WANT TO PUT EITHER AN EXTENDED FAMILY
2:46:40PM RESIDENCE IN THERE OR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THERE.
2:46:44PM AND THE CHANGE WE HAD PROPOSED WAS THE CODE CURRENTLY
2:46:48PM DOESN'T ALLOW IT BECAUSE IT'S NONCONFORMING.
2:46:50PM WHEN THEY COME TO YOU ON APPEAL, YOU'RE GRANTING IT AND
2:46:54PM SAYING, OKAY, WE'LL LET THAT USE GO IN THERE, AND THAT MAKES
2:46:57PM THAT STRUCTURE THEN CONFORMING BECAUSE YOU'RE GRANTING THAT
2:47:02PM THIS SAYS WILL ALLOW THEM TO GO INTO THOSE NONCONFORMING
2:47:05PM STRUCTURES THE WAY THEY ARE NOW AND IT LEAVES THOSE
2:47:07PM STRUCTURES AS NONCONFORMING.
2:47:09PM SO I KNOW THIS IS A MULTIFACETED DISCUSSION.
2:47:13PM WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS BUT I
2:47:15PM WANT TO KIND OF KEEP THIS ON TRACK AS FAR AS WHAT IS
2:47:19PM ENFORCEABLE FROM THE TAXING AUTHORITY OR FROM CODE
2:47:21PM ENFORCEMENT VERSUS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE CODE
2:47:24PM HERE TODAY.
2:47:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO ONE SAID THAT WE'RE THE TAXING UNIT.

2:47:32PM HOWEVER, WE ARE THE ONES LETTING IT HAPPEN.
2:47:35PM WE'RE THE ONES THAT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, CODE
2:47:39PM ENFORCEMENT MAYBE WORKS SATURDAYS, SUNDAYS, I DON'T REALLY
2:47:44PM KNOW.
2:47:44PM I KNOW THEY DO GO OUT IF THEY ARE CALLED.
2:47:47PM WE DON'T HAVE THE PROPER TOOLS TO LET THEM DO THEIR JOB
2:47:54PM FULLY.
2:47:54PM THEY CAN CITE SOMEBODY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.
2:47:56PM IN FACT, THE OTHER DAY I WAS DRIVING AROUND AND I REMEMBER
2:47:59PM THREE OF THEM ON ONE STREET.
2:48:01PM I'LL GIVE YOU THE ADDRESSES BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAD
2:48:04PM IT ON THE AGENDA THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO AND THEN WHEN I WAS
2:48:07PM DRIVING AROUND, IT DISAPPEARED.
2:48:10PM I NEVER HEARD WHAT HAPPENED.
2:48:11PM IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME TO COUNCIL.
2:48:13PM IT WAS SET FOR ANOTHER DATE AND NEVER CAME BACK.
2:48:18PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF YOU'D GIVE THOSE TO US I WOULD BE HAPPY
2:48:21PM TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
2:48:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT CLARITY THAT IT'S GOT TO
2:48:26PM STOP.
2:48:27PM THERE'S OVER A THOUSAND UNITS THAT I CAN POINT OUT TO YOU.
2:48:30PM I KNOW 232 FOR SURE IN A SMALL AREA.
2:48:33PM YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY TEN TIMES OF THE AREA, I'LL MAKE AN
2:48:36PM ASSUMPTION, THERE'S GOT TO BE A THOUSAND.
2:48:38PM THERE'S NOT ONE BLOCK WHERE I LIVE THAT DOESN'T HAVE AT

2:48:42PM LEAST ONE OR TWO OF THEM AND NOBODY DOES ANYTHING.
2:48:44PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: UNDERSTOOD.
2:48:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET IT HAPPEN.
2:48:47PM LET IT BE HAPPY.
2:48:48PM NOBODY PAYS THE TAX.
2:48:50PM MEANTIME, THEY ARE CRITICIZING THE GOVERNMENT.
2:48:52PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: UNDERSTOOD.
2:48:53PM I JUST DON'T WANT US TO BLOCK PROGRESS ON LOOKING AT THIS IN
2:48:58PM THE ZONING LIGHT VERSUS THE ENFORCEMENT LIGHT.
2:49:00PM AND THE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED SEPARATELY.
2:49:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT IF WE PASS THE ZONING, IT CLEARS UP
2:49:06PM EVERYTHING, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT.
2:49:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO, UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOES NOT.
2:49:12PM IT DOESN'T MAKE THINGS ILLEGAL LEGAL JUST BECAUSE WE DO
2:49:15PM THAT.
2:49:16PM I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
2:49:17PM ENFORCEMENT IS STILL THE KEY TO BRINGING THAT ISSUE INTO
2:49:20PM COMPLIANCE.
2:49:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OUR PROBLEM IS THAT I NEVER SEE THE END
2:49:26PM OF IT WHERE SOMETHING IS RESOLVED.
2:49:28PM THAT'S IT.
2:49:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:49:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO BRING IT BACK TO THIS, I -- SO WHAT YOU'RE
2:49:38PM SAYING HERE IS THAT IF SOMEONE HAS AN OLD GARAGE AND THEY
2:49:41PM WANT TO TRANSFORM IT INTO AN ADU, THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO DO

2:49:46PM IT, BUT IF THAT GARAGE BURNS DOWN, THEY'LL HAVE TO REBUILD
2:49:49PM IT TO THE NEW SETBACKS.
2:49:50PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
2:49:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S FINE.
2:49:53PM AS LONG AS WE CAN USE THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE HABIT -- OR
2:49:55PM THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE USE.
2:49:57PM I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF HISTORIC GARAGES IN SOME PARTS OF
2:50:03PM THE COMMUNITY THAT ACTUALLY ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD SAW
2:50:06PM SEVERAL OF THOSE.
2:50:07PM I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE STOPPED.
2:50:09PM THANK YOU.
2:50:10PM THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
2:50:11PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE TODAY IS WHEN THEY
2:50:13PM APPEAL IT AND YOU GRANT IT AND THE TWO AND TWO OR WHATEVER
2:50:16PM THAT SETBACK IS, ZERO, THAT'S WHAT THEY GET IF IT BURNS
2:50:20PM DOWN.
2:50:20PM THEY GET TO GO BACK TO ZERO.
2:50:22PM AND OUR GOAL WITH NONCONFORMITIES IN THE CITY IS TO
2:50:25PM EVENTUALLY HAVE THOSE THINGS BECOME CONFORMING.
2:50:27PM SO WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROLIFERATE THEM.
2:50:31PM WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THEM, USE THEM, AND THEN WHEN THEY LIVED
2:50:35PM THEIR LIVES, HAVE THINGS CONFORM TO THE CODE.
2:50:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
2:50:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:50:40PM IF I MAY, MS. FEELEY, ARE WE JUST TALKING SETBACK

2:50:47PM CONFORMITIES?
2:50:48PM OR ARE WE TALKING HEIGHT?
2:50:49PM ARE WE TALKING PERMEABLE SPACES SINCE THEY ARE ALL
2:50:54PM NONCONFORMING TO THOSE ALSO?
2:50:56PM IF YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN YOUR BACKYARD AND IT
2:50:59PM MEETS THE SETBACKS BUT IT'S 15-FOOT IS THE HEIGHT FOR
2:51:02PM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
2:51:03PM IF IT'S 25 FEET, ARE WE CONFORMING THAT ALSO.
2:51:07PM >>ERIC COTTON: THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
2:51:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD IS TOTALLY PAVED AND
2:51:12PM SOMEBODY BUILT THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THERE'S NO
2:51:14PM PERMEABLE SPACE.
2:51:15PM ARE WE CONFORMING THAT ALSO?
2:51:18PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO, BECAUSE THAT -- THE PERMEABLE HAS A
2:51:21PM RESOLUTION.
2:51:21PM WHEN YOU GO OVER 50%, YOU HAVE TO RETAIN HALF INCH ON YOUR
2:51:25PM PROPERTY.
2:51:26PM YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A PIPE SYSTEM AND OTHER THINGS.
2:51:28PM THAT'S NOT A NONCONFORMING CHARACTERISTIC THAT YOU WOULD BE
2:51:32PM ALLOWING AT THAT POINT.
2:51:34PM THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT ELEMENT.
2:51:36PM IT IS THE DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS.
2:51:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:51:39PM THE CONFORMITY WILL BE THE SETBACKS, THE HEIGHT, AND THE
2:51:41PM SIDES, THE SQUARE FOOT SIDES.

2:51:43PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
2:51:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:51:45PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:51:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT TO FOLLOW THAT, YES, 15 FEET, BUT WHAT IF
2:51:50PM IT'S A GARAGE APARTMENT?
2:51:54PM >>ERIC COTTON: AGAIN --
2:51:55PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT'S STILL A NONCONFORMITY.
2:51:57PM >>ERIC COTTON: COULD STILL BE A NONCONFORMITY.
2:51:59PM BULK, HEIGHT, SETBACKS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
2:52:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO 15 FEET IS ENOUGH FOR A HEIGHT OF A GARAGE
2:52:07PM AND A GARAGE APARTMENT?
2:52:09PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AN EXISTING STRUCTURE?
2:52:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:52:12PM NO, JUST -- SO, YES.
2:52:15PM SAY YOU HAVE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT'S TWO FEET AND IT
2:52:20PM BURNS DOWN AND YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT AND A GARAGE UNDER IT,
2:52:25PM AND THEN YOU WANT TO REBUILD IT BECAUSE IT BURNT DOWN, YOU
2:52:28PM WOULD IN ESSENCE NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU WOULD
2:52:31PM ONLY HAVE 15 FEET HEIGHT.
2:52:34PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: OR YOU MEET PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS.
2:52:37PM IN ORDER TO GO ABOVE 15 FEET IN HEIGHT, YOU MEET PRINCIPAL
2:52:40PM STRUCTURE SETBACKS.
2:52:41PM BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THE NEW ADU
2:52:43PM CONSTRUCTION.
2:52:44PM I WANT TO TRY TO HANDLE THESE -- IT'S A VERY MULTIFACETED

2:52:47PM DISCUSSION.
2:52:48PM BUT I DO WANT TO TRY TO HANDLE THESE ONE STEP AT A TIME.
2:52:52PM THE FIRST WAS, HEY, LET'S GET A DEFINITION FOR THIS IN OUR
2:52:56PM CODE.
2:52:57PM THE SECOND WAS ALLOWING THEM IN NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES
2:53:00PM WHICH CURRENTLY THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED.
2:53:02PM THEY COME TO YOU ON APPEAL AND COUNCIL IS GRANTING THEM
2:53:05PM BECAUSE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO TRY TO USE THAT HOUSING STOCK
2:53:08PM OR THAT BUILDING STOCK. THAT WAS NUMBER TWO.
2:53:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:53:15PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:53:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: A LOT OF PEOPLE ONLINE AND OTHER PLACES HAVE
2:53:20PM BEEN ASKING ABOUT AirBnBs.
2:53:23PM I KNOW WE'RE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW.
2:53:26PM DOES THIS ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE TWO PLACES FOR AirBnB OR IS
2:53:32PM IT ALL ONE?
2:53:34PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DON'T KNOW THAT US ALLOWING THIS IN
2:53:36PM NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES IS GOING TO BE IMPACTING HOW
2:53:39PM AirBnB.
2:53:40PM IF YOU HAVE TWO UNITS ON YOUR PROPERTY TODAY IN HYDE PARK
2:53:43PM AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO AirBnB BOTH OF THEM.
2:53:46PM YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO AirBnB.
2:53:49PM WE'RE PREEMPTED BY THE STATE IN THE REGULATION OF AirBnB.
2:53:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF PEOPLE WERE BUILDING NEW ONES, THAT WOULD
2:53:57PM PROVIDE TWO UNITS FOR AirBnB ON THEIR PROPERTY.

2:53:59PM >>ERIC COTTON: THEORETICALLY, YES.
2:54:01PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: JUST LIKE IF YOU'RE BUILDING TWO TOWNHOMES
2:54:04PM AND THEY ARE NOT FOR SALE.
2:54:05PM IT'S TWO UNITS.
2:54:06PM BECAUSE ADU AND PRINCIPAL UNIT, IT'S TWO UNITS.
2:54:10PM IF IT'S A HUNDRED CONDOS, IT'S A HUNDRED CONDOS.
2:54:14PM YES.
2:54:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU CAN THANK TALLAHASSEE FOR THAT.
2:54:21PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:54:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
2:54:24PM APPRECIATE THAT.
2:54:25PM QUICK QUESTION.
2:54:26PM I KNOW THIS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE.
2:54:29PM FOR THIS, ADUs, ET CETERA, PLACES WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS,
2:54:32PM ET CETERA, CDDs, WHATNOT, OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE
2:54:35PM INAPPLICABLE I WOULD ASSUME.
2:54:37PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CORRECT.
2:54:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: MUCH OF NEW TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS WOULDN'T
2:54:41PM BE APPLICABLE.
2:54:42PM I THINK THAT IS OPEN AND OBVIOUS, BUT JUST SAY IT.
2:54:46PM SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID WITH AirBnB, THAT
2:54:49PM IS A CONCERN FOR A LOT OF FOLKS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
2:54:52PM REALLY -- YOU KNOW, IF WE DO GO FORWARD WITH SOMETHING ON
2:54:55PM ADUs, WHICH I SUPPORT.
2:54:56PM I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS SMART, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW

2:55:00PM WITH OUR HOUSING CRISIS, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO MEASURE
2:55:03PM AND KEEP TAB OF ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND WHATNOT.
2:55:07PM AND WE HAVE TO JUST KEEP ABREAST OF THAT.
2:55:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:55:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONLY THING I'M LEERY ABOUT, MR. VIERA
2:55:14PM BROUGHT IT UP, GOOD POINT.
2:55:15PM CERTAIN COMMUNITIES HAVE CDDs AND DEED-RESTRICTED AREAS.
2:55:21PM I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT PUTTING THESE ALL OVER THE CITY,
2:55:25PM ESPECIALLY IN SOME ALREADY BLIGHTED COMMUNITIES WILL BRING
2:55:28PM ON MORE BLIGHT.
2:55:29PM I'M KIND OF NERVOUS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING OF
2:55:34PM THESE.
2:55:36PM PERMITTING AND THINGS.
2:55:37PM I'M JUST CONCERNED.
2:55:38PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
2:55:44PM WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
2:55:46PM THESE ARE EXISTING NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE
2:55:49PM GROUND TODAY AND COULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO USE THOSE FOR
2:55:52PM EITHER EFR, EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE OR ACCESSORY DWELLING
2:55:57PM UNITS.
2:55:57PM WE'RE STILL ON WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY TODAY.
2:55:59PM WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO ANY OF THE NEW STUFF.
2:56:02PM WE PROMISE YOU WHEN WE GET THERE WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
2:56:04PM WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
2:56:06PM THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THIS ITEM.

2:56:08PM ALL EXISTING EITHER DETACHED, THEY ARE DETACHED ACCESSORY
2:56:15PM STRUCTURES THAT EITHER DON'T COMPLY WITH THE SETBACK OR A
2:56:18PM HEIGHT REGULATION THAT WOULD NOW BE ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR
2:56:21PM THIS.
2:56:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:56:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST A THOUGHT, MAYBE WE SHOULD APPROVE THESE
2:56:30PM AS WE GO BECAUSE THE FIRST ONE, APPROVING THE DEFINITION, I
2:56:34PM THINK WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH THAT AT THIS POINT.
2:56:36PM I THINK WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH THIS AT THIS POINT.
2:56:38PM JUST SO WE DON'T GET CONFUSED DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE
2:56:42PM OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AS WE GO.
2:56:45PM HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE THAT?
2:56:46PM SO I MOVE THE FIRST TWO.
2:56:51PM >> SECOND.
2:56:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY -- DO WE WANT TO TAKE THEM
2:56:55PM SEPARATELY?
2:56:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO THE ACTION SUMMARY COMES UP CLEAN.
2:57:02PM MADAM CLERK, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?
2:57:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GO BACK AND I CAN SAY WHAT THE OTHER
2:57:08PM ONE IS?
2:57:10PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I HAD A TABLE IN THE FRONT.
2:57:12PM DEFINITION.
2:57:15PM ADDING A DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TO THE CODE,
2:57:19PM 2743 IS THE FIRST ONE.
2:57:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 2743 AND THEN IF YOU HOP TO THE NEXT ONE,

2:57:26PM 27132, I MOVE BOTH OF THOSE.
2:57:30PM >> SECOND.
2:57:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE
2:57:33PM MOTION.
2:57:33PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: PUBLIC COMMENT.
2:57:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN VOTE ON ONE PART BUT NOT ON THE
2:57:39PM OTHER PART.
2:57:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE'LL TAKE THEM SEPARATELY.
2:57:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
2:57:43PM DEFINITION.
2:57:44PM 2743.
2:57:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
2:57:51PM SEEING NONE, WE HAVE NO ONE ONLINE.
2:58:01PM THANK YOU.
2:58:02PM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:58:04PM SECONDED --
2:58:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN WE DEFINE FOR FAMILY USE AND THE
2:58:10PM OTHER ONE IS NOT.
2:58:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE LATER.
2:58:15PM THIS IS JUST --
2:58:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NUMBER 7.
2:58:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION LATER.
2:58:22PM I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
2:58:24PM BUT I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION LATER ABOUT TAKING OUT
2:58:27PM EXTENDED FAMILY OR AT LEAST DISCUSSING IT.

2:58:32PM THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OF NONCONFORMING TO CONFORMING.
2:58:35PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE SECOND PORTION OF THAT, CORRECT.
2:58:38PM THIS IS STRICTLY THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, NOT THE USE.
2:58:41PM IT'S ON THE DEFINITION.
2:58:46PM OKAY.
2:58:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST ON THE DEFINITION.
2:58:48PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:58:53PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:58:54PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
2:58:57PM >> AYE.
2:58:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OPPOSED?
2:59:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY SECOND MOTION IS MOVE 27-132.
2:59:10PM YES.
2:59:11PM I'M SORRY.
2:59:14PM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES AND
2:59:17PM NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES.
2:59:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
2:59:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
2:59:20PM HURTAK.
2:59:21PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:59:24PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
2:59:32PM >> I'LL BE SPEAKING A FEW TIMES.
2:59:34PM I'LL BE BRIEF.
2:59:35PM SUMMARIZE WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT.
2:59:37PM A PATH TO COMPLIANCE FOR ILLEGAL ADUs I THINK IS SOMETHING

2:59:41PM EVERYONE AGREES WE SHOULD HAVE.
2:59:44PM IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT AND SAY TEAR DOWN EVERY ILLEGAL ADU
2:59:48PM IN THE CITY, THAT WOULD BE DESTROYING THOUSANDS OF
2:59:52PM AFFORDABLE HOMES.
2:59:54PM I'M ON THE FENCE.
2:59:55PM TO THE ASSISTANT YOU BELIEVE HOMEOWNERS WOULD PROVIDE
2:59:58PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I WILL SAY THE SMALLER UNIT, THE
3:00:02PM FAMILY ONE IS -- YOU KNOW, NOT PAYING TAXES ON IT AND IT
3:00:10PM BEING SMALLER, MAKE THAT THE MOST AFFORDABLE TYPE OF HOUSING
3:00:13PM WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
3:00:14PM THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT.
3:00:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ONLINE.
3:00:20PM THANK YOU.
3:00:22PM ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
3:00:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AGAIN, MAY I JUST SAY THAT I CAN'T VOTE
3:00:27PM FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S THE ACCESSORY DWELLINGS AND IT'S
3:00:32PM NONCONFORMING, AND IT'S FOR BOTH, EXTENDED FAMILY AND
3:00:36PM ACCESSORY DWELLING FOR ANYONE.
3:00:37PM AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LET THEM HAVE IT FOR FREE.
3:00:40PM THEY ARE GOING TO CHARGE AND THEY ARE NOT PAYING ANYBODY
3:00:43PM ANYTHING AND THEY ARE JUST LIVING OFF THE FAT OF THE LAND.
3:00:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:00:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST TO RESPOND TO COMMENT, I AGREE THAT
3:00:53PM THOSE ARE CHEAP.
3:00:55PM HOWEVER, MY CONCERN IS HABITABILITY.

3:00:58PM SO JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS AFFORDABLE DOESN'T MEAN IT
3:01:01PM SHOULD BE -- THAT IT IS HABITABLE, AND I THINK WHAT WE ARE
3:01:05PM ALL TRYING TO DO IS MOVE FROM HOUSING THAT IS NOT LATELY
3:01:13PM RIGHT NOW, AND I BELIEVE ALL OF US HAVE IT IN OUR GOALS TO
3:01:18PM DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE THAT HABITABLE, TO BRING PEOPLE
3:01:22PM INTO COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO DEFINITELY BE
3:01:26PM LIVING SOMEWHERE THAT'S SAFE BUT ALSO AFFORDABLE.
3:01:32PM I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DECIDE ONE OR THE OTHER.
3:01:34PM I THINK WE CAN HAVE BOTH.
3:01:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
3:01:40PM I JUST HAVE TO MAKE THIS COMMENT.
3:01:43PM I'M GOING TO VOTE YES FOR THIS BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT
3:01:46PM THIS MUCH FURTHER.
3:01:47PM IT GOES FURTHER THAN WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS SAYING.
3:01:50PM IF SOMEONE WALKS INTO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING USE, I WANT TO
3:01:54PM RENT IT.
3:01:55PM I'D LIKE TO SIGN A LEASE.
3:01:56PM THE OWNER SAYS, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A LEASE,
3:01:59PM MEANING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO REPORT THIS SO THEY DON'T HAVE
3:02:01PM TO PAY TAXES ON IT.
3:02:03PM IT'S AFFORDABLE NOW, BUT THAT RENT COULD BE INCREASED AT ANY
3:02:07PM TIME THE PERSON WANTS TO.
3:02:09PM SO I AM GOING TO VOTE YES, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT
3:02:11PM THIS FURTHER.
3:02:12PM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

3:02:15PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:02:16PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:02:20PM ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
3:02:22PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:02:24PM >> AYE.
3:02:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DID YOU GET THAT?
3:02:26PM DO YOU WANT TO DO ROLL CALL?
3:02:29PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
3:02:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
3:02:36PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:02:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:02:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
3:02:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:02:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
3:02:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONLY WITH SOME INVESTIGATING LATER ON, YES.
3:02:54PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH GUDES, MIRANDA, AND CARLSON
3:03:01PM VOTING NO.
3:03:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. COTTON.
3:03:05PM >>ERIC COTTON: CAN I HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK?
3:03:07PM THANK YOU.
3:03:10PM NEXT UP IS ACTUALLY A CHANGE TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT
3:03:16PM STANDARDS.
3:03:17PM RIGHT NOW, AS I SAID EARLIER, THEY ARE A SPECIAL USE IN TWO
3:03:22PM SECTIONS OF THE CITY -- SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND THE LOWRY PARK
3:03:25PM CENTRAL AREA.

3:03:26PM WHAT THIS IS PROPOSING IS TO REMOVE THEM FROM REQUIRING THE
3:03:29PM SPECIAL USE APPROVAL AND ALLOWING THEM TO BE PERMITTED
3:03:34PM ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
3:03:36PM GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE REAL QUICK.
3:03:38PM RIGHT NOW THE CODE WOULD PROPOSE THEM TO BE ALLOWED IN THE
3:03:44PM CENTRAL TAMPA, WESTSHORE, AND UNIVERSITY PLANNING DISTRICTS
3:03:46PM BY RIGHT.
3:03:47PM SO ANYBODY WHO HAS -- COULD APPLY THROUGH PERMITTING AND
3:03:55PM ESTABLISH AN ADU IN ANY OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE
3:03:58PM SCREEN.
3:03:58PM SO WE CREATED, OR PROPOSING SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THOSE
3:04:04PM USES -- OR FOR THAT USE.
3:04:06PM RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THIS CURRENTLY IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WHICH
3:04:11PM WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL WHICH IS MAXIMUM SIZE OF
3:04:14PM 950 SQUARE FEET.
3:04:17PM THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT CAN ONLY BE ON A PIECE OF
3:04:23PM PROPERTY THAT'S OWNER OCCUPIED IN THE FRONT TO THE MAIN
3:04:25PM HOUSE, WOULD HAVE TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED.
3:04:27PM YOU CAN DESIGN IT EITHER WITHIN THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, LIKE
3:04:34PM A USE, HAPPY DAYS WHERE LIKE THE ATTIC WAS ON TOP WHERE
3:04:37PM FONZIE WOULD RENT OUT FROM THE CUNNINGHAMS OR IN A SEPARATE
3:04:42PM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, LIKE DETACHED DWELLING UNIT OR
3:04:45PM WHATEVER.
3:04:46PM NO MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE IN THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ANY GIVEN
3:04:50PM TIME AND YOU COULD SEPARATELY METER THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.

3:04:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:04:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH B.
3:05:01PM ONLY BECAUSE, A, THEY ARE EVERYWHERE.
3:05:05PM I CAN GIVE YOU A HUGE LIST RIGHT NOW WHERE THE FRONT AND
3:05:09PM BACK ARE BEING RENTED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:05:13PM AND IT'S NOT A HUGE PROBLEM.
3:05:16PM ALSO, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM LANDLORDS IN THE PAST WEEK
3:05:18PM KNOWING THIS IS COMING UP IS SAYING, HEY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE
3:05:21PM THE CAPITAL TO PUT THESE IN AND WE WOULD DO IT WITH OUR
3:05:26PM EXISTING RENTAL HOUSING.
3:05:28PM SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT FURTHER.
3:05:32PM BUT THE OTHER ONE FOR ME IS D.
3:05:37PM I THOUGHT THAT THAT HAD CHANGED TO TWO UNRELATED OCCUPANTS,
3:05:43PM BUT I WAS THINKING LIKE A SMALL FAMILY.
3:05:48PM >>ERIC COTTON: THEY WOULD NOT BE UNRELATED.
3:05:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
3:05:53PM I'M SORRY.
3:05:53PM SO NEVER MIND.
3:05:57PM MY CONCERN IS B BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM
3:06:03PM CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE LANDLORDS ARE SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE
3:06:06PM TO USE THIS TO INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK.
3:06:14PM >>ERIC COTTON: WELL, THE BASIS FOR THAT REQUIREMENT, THAT'S
3:06:17PM CURRENTLY WHAT IS IN THE CODE NOW FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
3:06:20PM SOME OF THE BASIS, FOR THOSE THAT THINK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
3:06:22PM WAS ON COUNCIL MAYBE BACK WHEN THE ZONING FOR SULPHUR

3:06:26PM SPRINGS WENT INTO EFFECT AND ZONING WENT FROM SINGLE-FAMILY
3:06:29PM TO R-2.
3:06:30PM AND PART OF THAT AND I WAS TALKING TO SUSAN SWIFT, WHO WAS
3:06:33PM HERE THIS MORNING BECAUSE SHE WAS WITH THE CITY WHEN THAT
3:06:35PM TOOK PLACE, THE LOGIC ON THOSE, YOU WOULD HAVE A DUPLEX,
3:06:40PM OWNER-OCCUPIED RENTAL AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS BOTH
3:06:43PM ENDED UP BEING RENTAL UNITS AND THERE WAS NO OWNERSHIP TO
3:06:46PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:06:48PM AND THAT'S WHERE STAFF IS COMING FROM BASED ON THAT
3:06:51PM EXPERIENCE.
3:06:52PM THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE CODE TO REQUIRE ONE TO BE OWNER
3:06:56PM OCCUPIED BEFORE YOU COULD RENT OUT THE BACK.
3:06:58PM THAT'S THE BASIS OF THAT REQUIREMENT.
3:06:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BUT I THINK IT HAMSTRINGS PEOPLE.
3:07:02PM I MEAN, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS OWNS 12
3:07:08PM DIFFERENT RENTAL PROPERTIES AT LEAST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:07:10PM AND HER HOUSES ARE IMPECCABLY MAINTAINED.
3:07:14PM SHE HAS HIGH STANDARDS FOR HER TENANTS, BUT WE HAVE
3:07:17PM INCREDIBLY DEEP LOTS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
3:07:20PM SHE WOULD LOVE TO BUILD ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO PROVIDE
3:07:23PM MORE HOUSING.
3:07:24PM BUT IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, I MEAN,
3:07:27PM THAT'S 12 MORE UNITS.
3:07:29PM I HESITATE -- MAYBE ON SMALLER LOTS, BUT --
3:07:39PM >>ERIC COTTON: IT'S A DECISION OF COUNCIL ON HOW YOU WANT TO

3:07:42PM DIRECT THIS.
3:07:42PM THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
3:07:44PM BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO -- DOESN'T WANT THAT REQUIREMENT, I
3:07:47PM MEAN, THAT'S THE PURVIEW OF CITY COUNCIL ON THAT.
3:07:50PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I CAN FOR JUST A SECOND.
3:07:54PM THESE CRITERIA CAME OUT OF THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION WE HAD
3:07:56PM WITH YOU ALL IN JUNE.
3:07:57PM AND WE DEVELOPED THESE FIVE AFTER COMPARING NOTES, WORKING
3:08:01PM WITH STEVEN, YOU KNOW, AND COMING TOGETHER AND WRITING THIS
3:08:04PM CODE TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO START.
3:08:07PM SO THAT'S WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.
3:08:09PM HERE'S WHERE WE'RE STARTING.
3:08:10PM IF YOU DON'T WANT A, B, C AND D AND YOU WANT THEM TO BE WHAT
3:08:15PM -- I MEAN, IT'S AT THE PURVIEW OF COUNCIL.
3:08:18PM THESE ARE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU.
3:08:20PM AND AS A BOARD, YOU CAN TELL US THE DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE US
3:08:23PM TO TAKE.
3:08:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:08:28PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:08:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
3:08:34PM AGAIN, CONFIRMING -- AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
3:08:37PM I THINK BY AND LARGE -- I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE COULD BE
3:08:41PM UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BUT GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE, BUT,
3:08:44PM AGAIN, CONFIRMING THE RESTRICTED NEIGHBORHOODS, 33647,
3:08:50PM ET CETERA, WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED BY THIS, CORRECT?

3:08:52PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
3:08:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: BECAUSE I'M OCD.
3:08:55PM ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS MAYBE, AGAIN,
3:08:58PM UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS IS MAYBE A MOTION, MAYBE
3:09:03PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WHO BROUGHT THIS UP, AND AGAIN VERY
3:09:06PM SUPPORTIVE, MAYBE TO LOOK AT THIS RETURNING BACK TO US IN
3:09:08PM NINE MONTHS, A YEAR, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, JUST TO SEE HOW
3:09:13PM IT'S GOING AND WHAT ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE, HOWEVER
3:09:17PM WE MAY PULL THE NUMBERS TOGETHER.
3:09:19PM SO JUST SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE BE DONE IF YOU
3:09:24PM WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.
3:09:26PM OH, A MOTION TO MAYBE HAVE THIS COME BACK TO US MAYBE IN A
3:09:30PM YEAR, WHATEVER, TO SEE HOW THIS IS GOING, ANY UNINTENDED
3:09:36PM CONSEQUENCES.
3:09:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY.
3:09:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SUPPORTIVE.
3:09:39PM EVERYTHING HAS GRAY IN IT, RIGHT?
3:09:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT IS A WONDERFUL IDEA BECAUSE WE
3:09:43PM HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THIS EXPANDS, BUT THE REALITY IS THESE
3:09:52PM AREN'T CHEAP TO BUILD.
3:09:54PM SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE -- THESE AREN'T GOING TO
3:09:59PM END UP BEING PLACES WHERE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE UPKEEP
3:10:07PM GOING -- THAT'S PROBABLY FURTHER DOWN IN THE FUTURE, SEVERAL
3:10:13PM YEARS IN.
3:10:14PM BUT ABSOLUTELY, TO KEEP BRINGING THIS UP.

3:10:16PM BUT WHAT WE'RE HEARING NOW AND LOUD AND CLEAR FROM
3:10:21PM RESIDENTS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE
3:10:24PM AND LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO
3:10:26PM BUILD THESE WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD SUPPORT.
3:10:29PM I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT IT COMING BACK IN A YEAR OR SO
3:10:33PM WITH MORE -- WITH MAYBE A CODE ENFORCEMENT LOOK OR SOMETHING
3:10:42PM LIKE THAT.
3:10:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MADAM.
3:10:45PM AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:10:46PM I SALUTE YOU FOR THE "HAPPY DAYS" COMMENT.
3:10:49PM THAT WAS WELL DONE.
3:10:50PM >>ERIC COTTON: THANK YOU.
3:10:51PM I AGE MYSELF.
3:10:52PM WHAT CAN I SAY?
3:10:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:10:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I LOOK AT IT AND SOMETHING I HAVE TO
3:11:04PM SINGLE OUT HERE.
3:11:05PM AN ACCESSORY DWELLING MAY BE DESIGNATED -- DESIGNED TO BE
3:11:08PM LOCATED WITHIN A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING WITH A SEPARATE
3:11:11PM ENTRANCE, AND THAT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER NOW.
3:11:13PM IF WE PASS THIS, ALL THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR
3:11:17PM YEARS, COLLECTING AND NOT PAYING, I DON'T WANT TO BE AN
3:11:21PM ACCESSORY TO A CRIME AND THEN THAT C AND E, C AND E
3:11:26PM CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.
3:11:27PM AN ACCESSORY DWELLING MAY BE SEPARATELY METERED FOR

3:11:30PM UTILITIES.
3:11:31PM THEY ARE NOT.
3:11:33PM I'LL TELL YOU WHY THEY ARE NOT, BECAUSE THEY GET A HOUSE.
3:11:36PM THEY DIVIDE IT.
3:11:37PM THEY CHANGE THE WALLS.
3:11:38PM THEY ADD RESTROOMS.
3:11:40PM THEY PUT MINOR KITCHENS IN THEM.
3:11:43PM GUESS WHAT, NOW YOU HAVE THREE AND FOUR UNITS IN A HOUSE AND
3:11:46PM YOU'RE COLLECTING.
3:11:47PM WHAT HAPPENS, THE KEY TO THIS, THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS
3:11:50PM FENCE IT OFF WITH A PLASTIC FENCE.
3:11:52PM THE NEXT THING THEY DO, ONE UTILITY YOU CAN FOLLOW, THEY PUT
3:11:58PM SOLAR SO YOUR ELECTRIC BILL IS LESS, SO THEY CAN'T PUT FOUR
3:12:02PM METERS IN THE HOUSE.
3:12:03PM THEY ONLY HAVE ONE METER.
3:12:04PM AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN VERIFY BY CHECKING THE
3:12:07PM AVERAGE FLOW OF WATER WITHIN THAT BLOCK.
3:12:11PM THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, C AND E CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.
3:12:16PM WITHIN A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING WITH A SEPARATE ENTRANCE OR
3:12:19PM AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
3:12:20PM I CAN SHOW YOU HOUSES NOW WHERE THEY HAVE FOUR DOORS ON THE
3:12:23PM OUTSIDE.
3:12:23PM THEY MARKED APARTMENT A, B, C AND D.
3:12:28PM >>ERIC COTTON: MOST LIKELY NONE OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY LEGAL
3:12:31PM UNITS.

3:12:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NONE OF THEM ARE LEGAL.
3:12:33PM ONCE WE PASS THIS, THEY BECOME LEGAL TO SOME DEGREE.
3:12:37PM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS IS ONLY ALLOWING FOR ONE ACCESSORY UNIT
3:12:40PM ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
3:12:41PM I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, COUNCILMAN.
3:12:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS ONLY ONE DWELLING UNIT PROPERTY.
3:12:45PM NOT DWELLING ON OUTSIDE.
3:12:46PM THIS IS ONE DWELLING THAT'S BEEN CUT UP INSIDE AND MADE IT
3:12:51PM TO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
3:12:52PM >>ERIC COTTON: UNDER ZONING, WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS FOUR
3:12:58PM DWELLING UNITS, NOT ONE ANYMORE.
3:12:59PM THIS IS ALLOWING, AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS SAYING, PEOPLE
3:13:02PM WHO HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IN FRONT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE
3:13:05PM -- AND THEY BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, THEY COULD
3:13:08PM HAVE THAT SEPARATELY METERED AND NOT HAVE TO JUMP THE METER,
3:13:11PM THE ELECTRIC FROM THE MAIN HOUSE BACK TO THE ACCESSORY
3:13:14PM DWELLING UNIT.
3:13:15PM THAT COULD HAVE IT OWN METER, RECEIVE ITS OWN BILL FROM
3:13:19PM TECO.
3:13:20PM CITY WATER WOULD HAVE ITS OWN WATER AND SANITARY SEWER
3:13:24PM METER.
3:13:24PM THAT'S WHAT THE LOGIC, THAT'S WHAT THE IMPETUS BEHIND THE
3:13:29PM LANGUAGE IS BASICALLY GOING TO ALLOW.
3:13:31PM WE'RE NOT -- NOTHING IN THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE WHAT
3:13:35PM YOU'RE DESCRIBING LEGAL.

3:13:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:13:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO MAKE -- WE DON'T REALLY QUITE
3:13:46PM HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS YET.
3:13:47PM I SORT OF DID, BUT I THINK THE BIGGER DISCUSSION THAT WE ALL
3:13:53PM NEED TO HAVE IN ANOTHER MEETING IS HOW -- I'M GOING TO MAKE
3:13:56PM A MOTION FOR STAFF TO BRING BACK A PLAN FOR BRINGING NON---
3:14:03PM IS IT NONCOMPLIANCE STRUCTURES?
3:14:05PM NONCONFORMING --
3:14:07PM >>ERIC COTTON: NO.
3:14:08PM ILLEGAL.
3:14:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ILLEGAL.
3:14:10PM THANK YOU.
3:14:10PM FOR BRINGING ILLEGAL ACCESSORY DWELLINGS, ADUs, FAMILY, I
3:14:19PM GUESS WE'LL USE BOTH LANGUAGE AT THIS POINT, ACCESSORY
3:14:24PM DWELLINGS AND EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES OR JUST --
3:14:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WHAT ABOUT ILLEGAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS?
3:14:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WORKS.
3:14:34PM THANK YOU.
3:14:34PM A MOTION FOR STAFF TO BRING BACK A PLAN FOR BRINGING ILLEGAL
3:14:38PM RESIDENTIAL UNITS INTO COMPLIANCE.
3:14:41PM ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS MAYBE A YEAR OF
3:14:45PM AMNESTY.
3:14:46PM EAST TAMPA CRA IS TALKING ABOUT THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE
3:14:50PM PROGRAM FOR MAKING RENTAL STRUCTURES HABITABLE, LIKE GOING
3:14:56PM TO THE LANDLORDS AND SAYING, HEY, WE'LL HELP YOU PAY FOR

3:14:59PM THIS AND WE'LL PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE TO
3:15:02PM GUARANTEE YOU'LL KEEP IT AFFORDABLE.
3:15:06PM I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
3:15:08PM MAYBE A PROGRAM LIKE THAT.
3:15:09PM BECAUSE HE IS RIGHT, WE ALL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE
3:15:14PM ENCOURAGE AND MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO BRING BACK, TO GET INTO
3:15:20PM COMPLIANCE FOR HABITABILITY AND FOR JUST SO WE KNOW HOW MANY
3:15:24PM WE HAVE.
3:15:25PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I CAN ASK, IN THAT MOTION, THAT WOULD BE
3:15:29PM CODE ENFORCEMENT AND LAND DEVELOPMENT TO COME BACK WITH THAT
3:15:32PM PLAN.
3:15:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
3:15:33PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I THINK THE FIRST THING ON THAT WOULD BE
3:15:37PM UNDERSTANDING, BEFORE WE KNOW IF IT'S AMNESTY OR WHAT THE
3:15:41PM SOLUTION IS, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO
3:15:43PM ADDRESS FIRST THE PROBLEM AND WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHAT THAT
3:15:49PM REALLY LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF QUANTITY OR NUMBER OF THESE
3:15:51PM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
3:15:52PM THAT'S FINE.
3:15:54PM JUST THAT WE ARE NOT THE ENFORCEMENT ARM.
3:15:57PM I MEAN, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR
3:15:59PM PARTNERS ON THAT TO GET YOU THE BEST ANSWER POSSIBLE.
3:16:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
3:16:04PM SO MAYBE MARCH WORKSHOP.
3:16:08PM IS THAT ENOUGH TIME?

3:16:10PM APRIL WORKSHOP?
3:16:15PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE HAVE ONE IN FEBRUARY THAT'S GETTING
3:16:18PM PRETTY FULL.
3:16:19PM I'LL ASK FOR TIME TO WORK WITH KEITH O'CONNOR AND THAT TEAM
3:16:23PM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR CURRENT PROCEDURES ARE WHEN THEY
3:16:25PM ARE DEALING WITH THAT, HOW THAT LOOKS.
3:16:28PM UNDERSTAND HOW MANY WE MIGHT HAVE UNDER CITATION RIGHT NOW
3:16:31PM OR WITH LIENS.
3:16:33PM APRIL WOULD BE FINE.
3:16:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: APRIL, PERFECT.
3:16:37PM AND THAT WOULD BE APRIL -- IT LOOKS LIKE APRIL 27th.
3:16:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
3:16:48PM HURTAK.
3:16:49PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:16:51PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:16:52PM >> AYE.
3:16:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:16:53PM THANK YOU.
3:17:00PM >>ERIC COTTON: THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE -- ON THE ISSUE WE
3:17:02PM WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS
3:17:05PM STANDARDS, WAS THAT MOTION -- THE MOTION WAS FOR LAND
3:17:11PM DEVELOPMENT TO WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT WHAT ABOUT
3:17:15PM THIS CASE RIGHT HERE?
3:17:16PM YOU WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS TODAY OR --
3:17:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO

3:17:24PM SPEAK TO THIS PART OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7?
3:17:30PM >> I THINK THAT -- I THINK WE'RE ALL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED
3:17:34PM BY THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
3:17:35PM THIS NEEDS TO CARRY ON THAT WAS SOMETHING VOTED ON NEXT
3:17:38PM MONTH.
3:17:38PM THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS.
3:17:40PM I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T MAKE A MOTION,
3:17:43PM WHETHER IT JUST DOESN'T COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
3:17:46PM SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE A MOTION TO MAKE SURE IT COMES
3:17:48PM BACK NEXT MONTH.
3:17:49PM SPECIFICALLY, I WANT TO POINT OUT WHY THIS ITEM IS
3:17:52PM IMPORTANT.
3:17:54PM WE'RE LOOKING FOR CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY CREATE
3:17:57PM A USEFUL AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:18:00PM I HEARD A CITY LIKE OURS CAN EXPECT IF WE IMPLEMENT A REALLY
3:18:04PM GOOD POLICY TO HAVE 300 PER YEAR.
3:18:07PM IF WE COULD DO 300 ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS PER YEAR, THAT
3:18:10PM WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE ACHIEVEMENT.
3:18:13PM IT WON'T CREATE 10,000.
3:18:15PM IT WILL CREATE 300.
3:18:16PM IF WE'RE MAKING RULES AND BEING PICKY AND RESULT IN 50 BEING
3:18:19PM BUILT, THEN THIS DAY WOULD HAVE BEEN A WASTE OF OUR TIME.
3:18:24PM 50 HOMES IS NOT GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.
3:18:26PM WHEN WE LOOK AT B OR THE ONE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS TALKING
3:18:28PM ABOUT WITH THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST

3:18:31PM IMPACTFUL CHANGE THAT WE CAN MAKE TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED
3:18:34PM HERE THAT WILL TAKE US FROM 50 TO 150 OR -- TAKE TO US THE
3:18:39PM NEXT LEVEL IN TERMS OF HOW MANY OF THESE THINGS GET
3:18:43PM PRODUCED.
3:18:43PM I WOULD HATE FOR US TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS, AT THE END, DO
3:18:46PM THE MEETING A YEAR FROM NOW AND WE FIND OUT THERE'S BEEN 50
3:18:50PM APPLICATIONS BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU DO IT WITH ALL THESE
3:18:52PM RULES WE HAVE IN PLACE?
3:18:54PM WE NEED TO HAVE THIS NEW RULE PASSED BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE
3:18:58PM A CHANGE THAT SAYS HOMEOWNERS WHO CAN AFFORD TO BUILD THESE
3:19:03PM WILL ACTUALLY BUILD THEM.
3:19:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE WITHIN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE
3:19:07PM TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:19:09PM MS. POYNOR, YOU'RE ONLINE?
3:19:21PM >> HEY.
3:19:21PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:19:22PM I DON'T THINK IT MAKES TWO FLIPS OF A DIFFERENCE WHETHER THE
3:19:28PM LANDLORD LIVES ON THE PROPERTY OR NOT.
3:19:30PM IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE A GOOD LANDLORD, THEY'LL BE A GOOD
3:19:34PM LANDLORD WHETHER THEY LIVE THERE OR WHETHER THEY LIVE DOWN
3:19:37PM THE STREET OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
3:19:40PM IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
3:19:42PM OH, CRAP, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
3:19:48PM BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
3:19:52PM I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THESE IN THE CHHA.

3:19:56PM SORRY, NOT SORRY.
3:19:57PM AND 300 OF THEM, THAT IS NOT EVEN GOING TO TOUCH THE 3,000
3:20:03PM THAT WE STILL HAVE COMING SOUTH OF GANDY, WEST OF DALE
3:20:07PM MABRY.
3:20:07PM THEY ARE ALREADY COMING.
3:20:08PM THANK YOU.
3:20:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. BENNETT, YOU ARE ONLINE?
3:20:13PM MS. BENNETT?
3:20:22PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
3:20:22PM OKAY.
3:20:23PM MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
3:20:25PM I WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE LAST ITEM, AND I WASN'T GIVEN THE
3:20:30PM OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
3:20:32PM MY CONCERN IS THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC HAS REALLY
3:20:36PM HAD A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND ASK
3:20:41PM QUESTIONS.
3:20:42PM THE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING, I CAN ONLY STAY ON FOR AN
3:20:49PM HOUR AND A HALF.
3:20:50PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER IT WENT ON.
3:20:52PM I BELIEVE MS. FEELEY SAID IT WENT FOUR HOURS.
3:20:55PM A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T GET TO HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON AND ASK
3:20:58PM QUESTIONS.
3:20:58PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING THAT'S
3:21:00PM DEDICATED TO NOTHING BUT ADUs.
3:21:03PM I LOOK AT THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE SETBACK?

3:21:06PM IS IT THREE FEET?
3:21:08PM WHAT'S THE HEIGHT?
3:21:09PM THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
3:21:17PM WHAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO RESULT IN.
3:21:20PM I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LAND USE LIMIT.
3:21:23PM IF YOU'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF UNITS ON A PARCEL,
3:21:28PM HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE LAND USE?
3:21:30PM WHAT IF IT GOES OVER WHAT THE LAND USE ALLOWS FOR THAT AREA?
3:21:34PM I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
3:21:38PM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PERSON, OWNER OCCUPIED -- I'LL TELL
3:21:45PM YOU WHY.
3:21:46PM MOST OF THESE ADUs ARE GOING TO BECOME AirBnBs.
3:21:50PM VIRGINIA PARK, WHICH YOU CAN'T -- WEBSITE, AND THE ONES THAT
3:21:57PM WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, THE ONES THAT NEIGHBORS DON'T
3:22:00PM COMPLAIN ABOUT AND THE ONES CONCERNED ABOUT, THE ONES WHERE
3:22:04PM THE OWNER LIVES IN THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING BECAUSE THEY ARE
3:22:07PM RIGHT THERE AND IF THINGS GET LOUD, IF THINGS GET OUT OF
3:22:10PM HAND, IF THERE'S BAD BEHAVIOR, THEY ARE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT
3:22:13PM BECAUSE IT'S KEEPING THEIR CHILDREN AWAKE, TOO.
3:22:15PM I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT ROOFTOP?
3:22:19PM ARE THEY ALLOWED TO HAVE A ROOFTOP PARTY AREA?
3:22:24PM WHAT ABOUT THE 950 SQUARE FEET?
3:22:28PM DOES THAT INCLUDE THAT?
3:22:29PM DOES THAT INCLUDE AN ENCLOSED PATIO?
3:22:32PM I'M NOT AGAINST ADUs.

3:22:35PM I NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
3:22:37PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES BEING MADE.
3:22:40PM IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, THAT MEANS A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
3:22:45PM UNDERSTAND IT.
3:22:45PM I WOULD LIKE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ASK
3:22:47PM QUESTIONS AND GET ANSWERS.
3:22:48PM I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IN PRINT A WRITTEN LIST OF QUESTIONS AND
3:22:53PM ANSWERS THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAST PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING
3:22:56PM AND ANY FUTURE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETINGS BECAUSE A LOT OF
3:23:01PM PEOPLE JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
3:23:03PM THANK YOU.
3:23:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:23:04PM IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?
3:23:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST VERY QUICKLY.
3:23:08PM AS I READ THIS HERE AND WHAT THE LAST SPEAKER SPOKE ABOUT,
3:23:12PM THE MAIN RESIDENCE IS GOING TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED.
3:23:15PM IT MAY BE THE FIRST MONTH OR SO, IT MAY NOT BE.
3:23:18PM AND THEN YOU LOOK AT C, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING, LOCATED
3:23:23PM WITHIN THE SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING WITH AN ENTRANCE ON THE
3:23:28PM STRUCTURE ON THE OUTSIDE I GUESS.
3:23:30PM YOU LOOK AT D, AT NO TIME, NUMBER OF UNRELATED OCCUPANTS OF
3:23:35PM AN ACCESSORY DWELLING EXCEED TWO.
3:23:37PM WE CAN'T EVEN FIND WHO RENTS AN AirBnB FOR FIVE DAYS OR
3:23:42PM LESS INSTEAD OF FIVE DAYS OR MORE, AND YOU'RE TELLING ME
3:23:45PM WE'RE GOING TO FIND THIS.

3:23:46PM WE'RE TELLING THE PUBLIC WE'LL FIND THIS.
3:23:52PM LET'S BE REALISTIC.
3:23:53PM YOU GO TO E, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING MAY, NOT SHALL, BE
3:23:57PM SEPARATELY METERED FOR UTILITIES.
3:23:59PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
3:24:01PM YOU'RE GETTING LIKE, SAY, YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE IN A BANK
3:24:06PM YOU WORE A HAT AND DARK GLASSES AND A SCARF, THEY ARREST
3:24:13PM YOU.
3:24:14PM NOW YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON THEY ARREST.
3:24:16PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
3:24:18PM WE'RE SCARING AN IRON DOG OFF THE PORCH.
3:24:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:24:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: CARROLL ANN BENNETT DESCRIBED EXACTLY HOW I
3:24:30PM FEEL ABOUT THESE ITEMS.
3:24:31PM I CAME IN HERE PREPARED TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IN CONCEPT I
3:24:34PM SUPPORT ADUs, BUT EVEN THE INFORMATION I READ OR SAW
3:24:39PM SUGGESTED THAT SOUTH TAMPA OR PARTS OF SOUTH TAMPA WOULD BE
3:24:42PM EXCLUDED, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE VERY TIGHT DETAILS.
3:24:49PM I DON'T SEE IT IN HERE.
3:24:49PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
3:24:51PM WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
3:24:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE NATHAN SAID, IT IS THE CONFUSING ABOUT
3:24:56PM HOW THIS IS BEING PRESENTED.
3:24:58PM NOT CRITICIZING YOU, BUT THE CONTEXT OF IT.
3:25:01PM IT'S LIKE THERE ARE TWO ITEMS HERE.

3:25:04PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SUBDECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE HERE.
3:25:08PM I THINK THE WHOLE THING IS CONFUSING AND I'M SURE THE PUBLIC
3:25:16PM IS CONFUSED.
3:25:18PM I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST ALL OF THESE JUST BECAUSE IT'S
3:25:21PM CONFUSING THE WAY IT'S BEING PRESENTED.
3:25:23PM AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO VOTE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK AS
3:25:26PM ANOTHER WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT AND
3:25:29PM MAYBE I WOULD SUPPORT THEM THE NEXT TIME.
3:25:31PM RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE, I CAN'T
3:25:35PM SUPPORT WITH TOO MANY QUESTIONS.
3:25:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WANT TO PROVIDE A WAY FOR LIVABLE MEANS,
3:25:43PM AND WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF THE ADUs.
3:25:46PM WE KNOW SEMINOLE HEIGHTS HAS HAD THOSE FOR A LONG, LONG
3:25:49PM TIME, BUT THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
3:25:52PM WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
3:25:56PM SO I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE HOUSING, SOME TYPE OF
3:25:59PM HOUSING.
3:26:00PM THIS COULD BE AN EXTRA WAY TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE
3:26:04PM GOT THE WHOLE VOTE IN THERE JUST YET.
3:26:08PM THERE ARE MISSING COMPONENTS.
3:26:10PM FOR ME, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, THIS WOULD BE FOR
3:26:14PM EVERYBODY.
3:26:14PM I HEAR SOUTH TAMPA WON'T HAVE TO DO.
3:26:18PM YOU'LL HAVE SOME COMMUNITIES -- EAST SIDE OF TOWN, THEY MAY
3:26:23PM NOT WANT THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DEED

3:26:27PM RESTRICTED.
3:26:28PM I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION.
3:26:32PM I LOOK AT THE SPECIAL NEEDS SIDE OF TOWN.
3:26:37PM I DON'T KNOW.
3:26:38PM SOME OF THE STRUCTURES WE HAVE, WE PROBABLY COULD USE
3:26:40PM FIXER-UPPERS.
3:26:42PM BUT I LOOK AT GOUGING AGAIN.
3:26:46PM PEOPLE START, WE TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING OF THESE THINGS, I
3:26:52PM DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION YET.
3:26:56PM I DON'T SEE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
3:26:57PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT INFORMATION YOU
3:27:00PM WOULD LIKE.
3:27:01PM THIS DISCUSSION STARTED BACK IN JUNE.
3:27:04PM WE BROUGHT BEST PRACTICES TO YOU AS TO WHAT OTHER LOCAL
3:27:07PM GOVERNMENTS HAD.
3:27:09PM WE GOT DIRECTION FROM YOU AS TO WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE OURS TO
3:27:13PM LOOK LIKE.
3:27:14PM THIS LANGUAGE HERE IS WRITTEN BASED OFF OF THAT.
3:27:18PM THESE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS PURSUANT TO HOW YOU DIRECTED
3:27:21PM US.
3:27:22PM IF YOU DON'T LIKE ITEM B AND YOU WANT THAT STRICKEN, THAT'S
3:27:25PM FINE.
3:27:25PM IF YOU WANT IT TO SAY NOTHING IN THE CHHA, THAT'S FINE.
3:27:30PM BUT WE CAME TO YOU IN JUNE.
3:27:33PM WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.

3:27:33PM WE CAME BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND PROVIDED THE DRAFT LANGUAGE
3:27:36PM FOR EVERYONE.
3:27:37PM WE CONDUCTED A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
3:27:41PM MS. BENNETT AND MS. POYNOR AND MS. ZOMMERMAN HAVE BEEN
3:27:47PM E-MAILING AND E-MAILING I THINK THREE TIMES WHILE WE WERE AT
3:27:50PM LUNCH ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS.
3:27:51PM THEY KNOW HOW TO REACH US.
3:27:53PM WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANY
3:27:55PM COMPROMISES ON ANY OF THESE CRITERIA.
3:27:58PM WE WERE STRICTLY TAKING THE DIRECTIVE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY
3:28:01PM YOU TO COME BACK WITH ADUs, THAT WE NEEDED ADDITIONAL
3:28:04PM HOUSING OPTIONS AND HERE WE ARE.
3:28:06PM THAT WAS ALMOST SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN WE STARTED THIS.
3:28:11PM IF WE'RE NOT ON TARGET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN THIS
3:28:13PM LANGUAGE, PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOU BELIEVE THAT IS INSTEAD
3:28:17PM OF CONTINUING TO HAVE CIRCULAR DISCUSSIONS ON TO WHERE WE
3:28:21PM NEED TO BE.
3:28:22PM WE'RE HAPPY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AGAIN AT OTHER CITIES AND
3:28:26PM BRING THAT BACK, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD START
3:28:30PM AS TO WHAT WE NEED.
3:28:32PM WHICH DON'T WANT OWNER OCCUPIED, WE CAN TAKE OUT LETTER B.
3:28:37PM THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE.
3:28:38PM THIS IS THE CODE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TOGETHER TODAY
3:28:40PM THROUGH THIS WORKSHOP IN ORDER TO ENABLE THIS IN THE WAY WE
3:28:45PM COLLECTIVELY WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE

3:28:48PM HOUSING SOLUTIONS.
3:28:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:28:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DESPERATELY NEED HOUSING.
3:28:54PM WE DESPERATELY NEED HOUSING.
3:28:56PM I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS, BUT LITERALLY IN THE
3:29:01PM NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES DEAL WITH SETBACKS, DEAL WITH HEIGHT
3:29:03PM RESTRICTIONS.
3:29:04PM I MEAN, ALL OF THIS IS ALREADY IN THIS.
3:29:07PM THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE GOING TO
3:29:09PM APPLY.
3:29:10PM WE HAVEN'T EVEN DECIDED WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM YET.
3:29:14PM THIS IS JUST STANDARDS.
3:29:15PM AND THIS IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.
3:29:18PM THIS IS NOT -- WE'RE NOT DECIDING IT RIGHT NOW.
3:29:20PM WE WILL HAVE A FIRST READING.
3:29:21PM THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT EACH OF THESE
3:29:24PM ITEMS THEN.
3:29:25PM BUT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BY US.
3:29:28PM THIS HAS HAD A PUBLIC MEETING.
3:29:30PM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE IN SEMINOLE
3:29:33PM HEIGHTS. ANYONE WANTS TO COME, I WILL GIVE YOU A TOUR OF
3:29:39PM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AND HOW THE
3:29:41PM COMMUNITY DEALS WITH THEM.
3:29:43PM I DON'T EVEN NOTICE THEM ANYMORE.
3:29:45PM THERE'S NOT A NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOES

3:29:47PM NOT ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THESE BEING BUILT BECAUSE IT HELPS
3:29:51PM WITH A MORTGAGE.
3:29:52PM IT PROVIDES LIVING SITUATIONS FOR MAYBE A CHILD OR AN
3:29:56PM ELDERLY FAMILY MEMBER.
3:29:58PM BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT HOUSING.
3:30:01PM WE CANNOT KEEP KICKING THE CAN.
3:30:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:30:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GOOD, SIR.
3:30:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:30:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY IS PLANNING ON
3:30:19PM DOING RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH THE
3:30:23PM SLIDES.
3:30:23PM ORIGINALLY WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THEM
3:30:25PM AND COMING BACK.
3:30:26PM ARE THERE SLIDES YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN YET?
3:30:30PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
3:30:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IF WE SAW ALL OF IT, MAYBE THAT
3:30:36PM WOULD CHANGE THE DISCUSSION.
3:30:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
3:30:43PM AND THEN I WILL FINISH MY STATEMENT.
3:30:45PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:30:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION
3:30:50PM TO PASS SECTION 27-132 AND SECTION 27-282.30, ACCESSORY
3:30:59PM DWELLING UNITS, SPECIFIED USES BY TAKING -- AND TAKING OUT
3:31:05PM SECTION B.

3:31:06PM LET'S JUST SEE WHERE WE ARE.
3:31:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
3:31:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
3:31:11PM HURTAK.
3:31:12PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:31:13PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
3:31:14PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:31:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:31:18PM YEAH, I'M GLAD TO VOTE YES.
3:31:21PM I KNOW SOME FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL IMPERFECTIONS
3:31:25PM IN THIS.
3:31:26PM I DON'T REALLY NECESSARILY SEE ANY, BUT WE CAN'T LET THE
3:31:28PM IMPERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE PRETTY DAMN GOOD, ESPECIALLY
3:31:32PM WITH A HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
3:31:34PM SO I WOULD URGE A YES VOTE.
3:31:37PM MY ONLY QUESTION IS COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DID YOU WANT TO SEE
3:31:40PM ALL THE OTHER SLIDES BEFORE VOTING?
3:31:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:31:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE I SAID, WITHOUT THE LARGER CONTEXT I'M
3:31:54PM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST ALL OF THESE.
3:31:56PM IT'S NOT THAT I'M AGAINST ADUs.
3:31:58PM I CAN'T VOTE FOR IT WITH THIS PROCESS.
3:32:00PM ALSO, I WOULD WANT TO KEEP IN B ON THIS ALSO.
3:32:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC AT HOME WHO
3:32:07PM DON'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL THE PUBLIC

3:32:09PM WHAT B THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT IS AND HOW IT IS
3:32:13PM REFERENCED.
3:32:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: B IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MAY ONLY BE
3:32:17PM APPROVED WHEN THE MAIN RESIDENCE IS OWNER OCCUPIED.
3:32:19PM AGAIN, THE REASONING FOR THAT, LIKE MR. MIRANDA SAID, IT MAY
3:32:22PM BE FOR ONE MONTH BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY CONTROL IT AFTER THAT.
3:32:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:32:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE
3:32:30PM HOUSING.
3:32:30PM THE CITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY LAND.
3:32:33PM THERE'S LAND RIGHT NOW FOR SALE ON MacDILL AND CYPRESS,
3:32:37PM BOTH SIDES OF THE CORNER, THEY CAN TEAR DOWN THAT AND BUILD
3:32:40PM SOME REAL, FOUR, FIVE, SIX STORY HIGH BUILDINGS AND HAVE ALL
3:32:44PM THEY WANT.
3:32:45PM ALSO ANOTHER 1.5 ACRES ON NORTH ARMENIA THE OTHER SIDE OF
3:32:49PM HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE ON THE EAST SIDE, OR THE WEST SIDE
3:32:51PM FACING EAST.
3:32:52PM YOU CAN PUT SMALL UNITS IN THERE AND DO ALL YOU WANT.
3:32:56PM BUT WHEN YOU GO INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND ANYONE THAT'S HERE
3:33:00PM WANTS ME TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, CALL ME AND
3:33:03PM I'LL GIVE YOU A TOUR OF WHERE I LIVE.
3:33:05PM AND IF THE MEDIA WANTS TO COME, I'LL SHOW YOU 7 AND 8 CARS
3:33:10PM IN ONE LOT WHERE SITS ON THE GRASS.
3:33:14PM BUILD THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL KINDS OF VEHICLES ON THE
3:33:16PM SIDEWALKS.

3:33:16PM I CAN SHOW YOU THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
3:33:18PM AND THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S
3:33:22PM GOING TO HAPPEN.
3:33:23PM IS THIS CITYWIDE?
3:33:24PM NO.
3:33:25PM IT LEAVES CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY OUT.
3:33:28PM I JUST CAN'T DO THAT.
3:33:29PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:33:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT I DO
3:33:35PM APPRECIATE THAT WE ARE BUILDING MULTIFAMILY ON MAJOR
3:33:39PM CORRIDORS.
3:33:40PM BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
3:33:40PM JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A RENTER DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD HAVE
3:33:44PM TO LIVE ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
3:33:47PM I THINK THAT EVERYONE, RENTERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE LUCKY
3:33:50PM ENOUGH TO BE HOMEOWNERS, BOTH OF THEM SHOULD HAVE THE
3:33:53PM OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN A QUIETER NEIGHBORHOOD IF THAT'S WHAT
3:33:57PM THEY SO CHOOSE.
3:33:58PM AND THAT'S WHAT THIS HELPS ADD.
3:34:00PM THIS IS ABOUT EQUITY TO ME.
3:34:01PM AND EQUITY, IT'S JUST REALLY FRUSTRATING THAT WE'RE SAYING
3:34:05PM THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE A RENTER YOU SHOULD REALLY ONLY BE ON
3:34:08PM CORNERS OF MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.
3:34:10PM AND THIS HELPS, IN MY OPINION, HELPS MAKE THAT MORE
3:34:14PM EQUITABLE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE OPTIONS.

3:34:18PM AS WAS STATED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO BECOME A COMMUNITY OF
3:34:21PM MORE THAN HALF RENTERS SOON.
3:34:23PM AND WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE AN OPTION.
3:34:29PM JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A RENTER DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE
3:34:32PM MONEY.
3:34:33PM IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DESERVE LESS.
3:34:38PM I'M OFF MY HORSE.
3:34:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
3:34:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE MORE.
3:34:44PM I AGREE THAT IT'S ABOUT 50% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN
3:34:48PM TAMPA.
3:34:48PM NOT QUITE 50, BUT IN THE HIGH 40s ARE RENTERS.
3:34:52PM NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A RENTER.
3:34:54PM SOME OF THE PROPERTIES I JUST SPOKE ABOUT, ONE IS A
3:34:56PM BEAUTIFUL LOT, IT IS ON ARMENIA AVENUE, BUT IT'S WAY BACK.
3:35:00PM IT GOES BACK, I'D SAY A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET, 250 FEET OR
3:35:04PM SO.
3:35:05PM I DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
3:35:06PM DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.
3:35:07PM I SAW IT WHEN I WAS DRIVING AROUND THE OTHER DAY.
3:35:10PM THAT'S JUST MY FEELING.
3:35:12PM YOU CANNOT HAVE THIS AND BE THE WAY IT IS NOW AND NOT
3:35:18PM ATTACKING THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM.
3:35:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:35:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT TODAY.

3:35:26PM I HAVE SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS WILL BRING ON A
3:35:29PM LOT OF TRANSIENT BEHAVIOR IN SOME COMMUNITIES.
3:35:33PM I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE IT, A LOT ARE
3:35:36PM OWNER OCCUPIED THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
3:35:38PM THEY CAN CONTROL.
3:35:39PM I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU START PUTTING SOME OF THESE AND
3:35:42PM ALLOWING SOME OF THESE IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, IT WILL BRING
3:35:44PM ON MORE TRANSIT BEHAVIOR.
3:35:46PM I WILL SUPPORT IT TODAY TO MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD WITH
3:35:49PM HOUSING.
3:35:50PM WE HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING.
3:35:52PM I'LL GIVE A TRY AND CIRCLE BACK IN A YEAR.
3:35:55PM BUT I'LL GIVE IT A TRY TODAY.
3:35:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:35:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF ALL THE
3:36:04PM DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
3:36:05PM WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
3:36:07PM WE HAVE AN IMPENDING OR WE'RE IN THE RECESSION.
3:36:09PM I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD THIS IS GOING TO GET IF WE GO TO
3:36:12PM ANOTHER REPEAT OF WHAT 2008 TO 2012 AND BEYOND WAS.
3:36:17PM RENTS ARE RISING.
3:36:19PM WE DID NOT PASS ANY TYPE OF RENT CONTROL AND FOR WHATEVER
3:36:23PM LEGAL REASONS, I GET IT.
3:36:24PM I KNOW WE HAVE STATE PREEMPTIONS AND STUFF.
3:36:28PM WE HAVE OFFERED DIRECT ASSISTANCE TO RENTERS, BUT THAT'S

3:36:31PM TEMPORARY.
3:36:33PM WE CAN'T BUILD HOUSING FAST ENOUGH, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE
3:36:37PM THOUSANDS OF UNITS THAT ARE PERMITTED, APPROVED, AND IN SOME
3:36:41PM STAGE BUT EITHER WE DO SOMETHING, AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT
3:36:46PM THIS, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INFLUX OF HOMELESS PEOPLE ON
3:36:50PM THE STREETS.
3:36:51PM THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW THAT ARE STRUGGLING
3:36:53PM PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK, NOT EVEN THAT.
3:36:56PM THEY ARE STRUGGLING JUST TO MAKE ENOUGH TO PAY THE RENT AND
3:37:00PM THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING EXTRA BECAUSE THERE IS NO EXTRA.
3:37:04PM AGAIN, WITH RISING RENTS AND THE DEMAND OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
3:37:08PM MOVING TO TAMPA, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS MEANINGFUL.
3:37:13PM I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT PERFECT.
3:37:14PM I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF CRITICISM ON THIS.
3:37:17PM I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,
3:37:20PM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER CRISIS IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING.
3:37:24PM AND THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH PEOPLE ON THE STREETS.
3:37:26PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE OUT OF TAMPA BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT
3:37:28PM GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE OUT OF TAMPA.
3:37:30PM THEY LITERALLY WILL BE ON THE STREETS.
3:37:31PM BE EVICTED.
3:37:32PM GET THREE-DAY NOTICES, EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS.
3:37:35PM I'M HEARING THESE STORIES.
3:37:36PM SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AND WE MOVE FORWARD AND THEN WE
3:37:43PM START TWEAKING IT.

3:37:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:37:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO AMEND MY MOTION TO HAVE THIS
3:37:52PM COME BACK DECEMBER 15th.
3:37:54PM THAT WAY THE PUBLIC GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWLEDGE FOR
3:37:59PM TIME.
3:37:59PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT
3:38:03PM BECAUSE THIS WILL -- PENDING ON ACTION ON THE MOTION HERE
3:38:06PM TODAY, THIS WILL GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MONDAY,
3:38:08PM NOVEMBER 7.
3:38:09PM WE DO COME BACK TO YOU FOR A FIRST READING ON DECEMBER 1st
3:38:13PM WHERE WE WILL HAVE A WHOLE HEARING ON THE LANGUAGE, AND THEN
3:38:17PM IF THERE ARE CHANGES IN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING,
3:38:20PM JUST LIKE YOU DO WITH OTHER THINGS, YOU COULD MAKE CHANGES
3:38:22PM THEN AGAIN.
3:38:23PM THIS ISN'T THE END-ALL, BE-ALL BEFORE YOU TODAY.
3:38:27PM AND WE HAVE TIME.
3:38:27PM AND IF THE PUBLIC OR MS. BENNETT OR MS. ZOMMERMAN WOULD LIKE
3:38:32PM TO MEET WITH OUR TEAM AGAIN BEFORE THAT AND BEFORE WE COME
3:38:35PM BACK ON THAT DECEMBER 1st, WE ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO HAVE
3:38:39PM THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
3:38:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY REASON I MENTION THAT IS BECAUSE
3:38:42PM THIS IS WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON DECEMBER 1st.
3:38:45PM I JUST THINK IF WE MOVED --
3:38:49PM >>ERIC COTTON: DECEMBER 1st IS GOING TO BE A NIGHT
3:38:51PM MEETING.

3:38:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: -- COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE PUT ON THE AGENDAS.
3:38:54PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT IS AN EVENING HEARING ON THE 1st.
3:38:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
3:38:57PM COUNCIL.
3:38:58PM THIS IS DECEMBER 1st, OUR REGULAR SESSION.
3:38:59PM >>ERIC COTTON: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:39:02PM THE ACTUAL ADOPTION OF LANGUAGE, BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING THE
3:39:05PM USE TABLES, THAT BECOMES A NIGHTTIME MEETING.
3:39:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: APOLOGIES.
3:39:09PM YEAH.
3:39:09PM I THINK DECEMBER 1st IS FINE.
3:39:11PM THANK YOU.
3:39:12PM SORRY ABOUT THAT.
3:39:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION?
3:39:16PM WHEN I FIRST MOVED -- ARE WE SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO
3:39:20PM NOT BE IN SOUTH TAMPA?
3:39:21PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED WITH YOU THE AREAS
3:39:23PM YET.
3:39:24PM WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS WITH YOU NEXT.
3:39:25PM WE'RE SAYING WHERE THESE WOULD BE ALLOWED, THESE WOULD BE
3:39:28PM THE CRITERIA UNDER WHICH THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED.
3:39:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO SOUTH TAMPA BACK IN
3:39:32PM THE '80s, THERE WAS ALL THESE -- ALL THE MULTIMILLION
3:39:40PM DOLLAR HOMES IN SOUTH TAMPA WERE ALL CUT UP INTO FIVE OR SIX
3:39:45PM DWELLINGS.

3:39:47PM AND YOU HAD THE WORST SLUMLORDS IN THE WORLD.
3:39:53PM BUT ON EACH ONE OF THESE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR NOW DWELLINGS,
3:39:58PM YOU HAD A CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT HAD A UNIT UPSTAIRS.
3:40:05PM FAST-FORWARD 30 YEARS, THOSE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DWELLINGS
3:40:11PM ARE NOW JUST ONE UNIT, BUT THOSE CARRIAGE HOUSES ARE STILL
3:40:16PM BEING RENTED OUT AS ACCESSORY DWELLINGS.
3:40:18PM I'M JUST SAYING THIS.
3:40:21PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE B STRICKEN AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE C
3:40:27PM STRICKEN.
3:40:28PM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:40:30PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN -- NOT NOW, IN THE FUTURE.
3:40:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, IN THE FUTURE.
3:40:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOT NOW.
3:40:40PM IN THE FUTURE.
3:40:42PM BETWEEN NOW AND FIRST READING, FIRST, SECOND READING, WE'LL
3:40:45PM DISCUSS THAT LATER.
3:40:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR.
3:40:49PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I NEED TO KNOW NOW.
3:40:57PM ON C, THIS IS SAYING HOW IT MAY BE DESIGNED TO BE EITHER
3:41:01PM SEPARATE OR WITHIN.
3:41:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE A UNIT DIVIDED UP,
3:41:07PM A SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT.
3:41:08PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT CAN ONLY BE LIKE IF YOU DID IT WITHIN AN
3:41:12PM EXISTING GARAGE.
3:41:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXISTING GARAGE.

3:41:17PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT'S WHAT IT'S SPEAKING TO.
3:41:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: -- MAIN STRUCTURE.
3:41:20PM MY BAD.
3:41:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION IS TO HAVE B STRICKEN.
3:41:27PM THAT IS THE MOTION.
3:41:28PM YOU WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION TO TAKE SOMETHING ELSE OUT,
3:41:30PM SIR?
3:41:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ADD E TO IT.
3:41:37PM THANK YOU.
3:41:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WON'T TAKE THAT AMENDMENT BECAUSE OUR MIND
3:41:43PM -- MINE IS SEPARATELY METERED RIGHT NOW.
3:41:45PM AND IT SAYS "MAY" NOT "SHALL."
3:41:48PM YOU COULD HAVE IT METERED BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT
3:41:51PM METERED.
3:41:54PM I DON'T THINK SEPARATELY METERED FOR UTILITIES REALLY MAKES
3:41:57PM A DIFFERENCE.
3:41:58PM I'M CURIOUS WHY.
3:41:59PM WHAT'S YOUR RATIONALE?
3:42:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOST TIMES WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT TO
3:42:03PM INSPECT, IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO GET -- IF THEY ARE ALLOWED
3:42:06PM TO GET OVER THE FENCE AND SOMEONE SAYS, NO, NO, WE ONLY HAVE
3:42:11PM ONE METER --
3:42:12PM >> THAT MEANS THEIR UNIT IS PROBABLY ILLEGAL.
3:42:15PM SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO ACTUALLY LEGALLY ESTABLISH IT
3:42:19PM WITH A SECOND METER.

3:42:20PM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
3:42:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND SHOULD HAVE A SEPARATE METER.
3:42:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT COULD HAVE EITHER IS WHAT THEY ARE
3:42:26PM SAYING.
3:42:26PM IF IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED AND YOU'RE DOING IT ACCESSORY AND YOU
3:42:30PM WANT TO USE THE MAIN HOUSE METER AND YOU DON'T CARE, YOU
3:42:33PM DON'T WANT TO CHARGE SOMEBODY SEPARATE FOR THE UTILITIES,
3:42:37PM THEN YOU COULD USE THE SAME METER.
3:42:38PM IF NOT, YOU MIGHT ELECT TO HAVE IT SEPARATELY METERED.
3:42:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF YOU HAVE THE SAME METER BUT YOU HAVE AN
3:42:43PM ACCESSORY DWELLING THAT'S BEING RENTED OUT.
3:42:46PM THERE'S NO SEPARATION.
3:42:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY JUST ADD TO THE FEE.
3:42:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
3:42:52PM BUT IF CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT AND ACCESSORY DWELLING,
3:42:54PM SOMEBODY SAYS, NO, NO ONE LIVES THERE, BY HAVING A SEPARATE
3:42:59PM METER YOU'RE SAYING, YES, THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON.
3:43:02PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: NOT NECESSARILY.
3:43:03PM >>ERIC COTTON: AGAIN, IF THESE ARE ALLOWED AS SPECIFIED
3:43:07PM USES, THERE WOULDN'T BE A NEED FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GO
3:43:10PM OUT AND CHECK TO SEE IF THE UNIT IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY
3:43:15PM WOULD -- ASSUMING I HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
3:43:17PM I HAVE AN ACCESSORY UNIT RIGHT NOW, I'M RENTING THAT OUT
3:43:20PM ILLEGALLY, THEORETICALLY, IF THIS WAS APPROVED AND I'M IN
3:43:26PM THE RIGHT LOCATION WE'LL DISCUSS MOMENTARILY, THAT SECOND

3:43:30PM UNIT COULD BECOME LEGAL.
3:43:31PM SO THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A CITATION TO BE ISSUED ON
3:43:36PM THAT OUTSIDE OF WORK WITHOUT PERMITS, PERHAPS, BECAUSE THEY
3:43:40PM MAY HAVE CONVERTED -- I MAY HAVE CONVERTED IT OVER, YOU
3:43:43PM KNOW, WITHOUT A PERMIT OR WHATEVER, BUT THE ACTUAL USE WOULD
3:43:47PM BECOME LEGAL AND THEY WOULD BE A SPECIFIED USE.
3:43:50PM IT COULD BE A LEGAL UNIT.
3:43:50PM THE ISSUE YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH, MR. CHAIR, WOULDN'T REALLY
3:43:53PM AFFECT IT.
3:43:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL WITHDRAW WHAT I'M SAYING.
3:43:57PM BUT WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE.
3:44:02PM WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE.
3:44:04PM CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT AND SUSPECTS SOMEBODY OF HAVING AN
3:44:09PM ACCESSORY DWELLING -- [AUDIO CUTS OUT] -- DOWN THE LINE.
3:44:17PM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:44:19PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WITHOUT MY AMENDMENT.
3:44:24PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:44:26PM >> AYE.
3:44:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OPPOSED?
3:44:27PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
3:44:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:44:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:44:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
3:44:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:44:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.

3:44:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:44:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:44:46PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CARLSON VOTING
3:44:49PM NO.
3:44:52PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:44:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THE CONVERSATION YOU ALL JUST HAD
3:44:57PM WITH THE CHAIR IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I TALKED ABOUT A MINUTE
3:45:00PM AGO.
3:45:00PM THIS IS SO COMPLICATED AND SO CONFUSING.
3:45:04PM MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS IT, BUT
3:45:09PM IT'S SO COMPLICATED, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD A SEPARATE
3:45:13PM WORKSHOP JUST FOR THIS.
3:45:14PM I WISH WE COULD HAVE A SEPARATE WORKSHOP JUST FOR THIS.
3:45:17PM WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT, WE HAVE
3:45:21PM THIS LONG OF CONVERSATION ON ONE SLIDE AND YOU HAVE A BUNCH
3:45:24PM OF OTHER SLIDES.
3:45:25PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE HAVE TWO LEFT.
3:45:27PM AND BEFORE WE GO ON TO THOSE TWO, IF I MIGHT, DURING THE
3:45:31PM PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING, THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION
3:45:35PM SHARED ABOUT HEIGHTS AND SETBACKS FOR THE ACCESSORY
3:45:40PM STRUCTURES.
3:45:42PM A LOT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT AT
3:45:44PM THE BEGINNING.
3:45:45PM SO THAT WAS PULLED.
3:45:47PM IT IS STILL GOING TO MEET ACCESSORY -- [AUDIO CUTS OUT] --

3:45:52PM WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THESE SMALL STEPS WITH YOU TODAY.
3:45:55PM SO THE LAST TWO ITEMS WE HAVE ARE THE ALLOWABLE AREAS AND
3:45:59PM THEN THE PARKING FOR THE ADUs.
3:46:01PM BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL HOUSED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CODE,
3:46:04PM THAT'S WHY WE'RE TAKING THEM THE WAY THAT WE ARE.
3:46:07PM BUT WE'RE GOING TO TURN OVER TO STEVEN TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT
3:46:09PM THE ALLOWABLE AREAS AND THEN THE PARKING, WHICH WAS A
3:46:13PM DISCUSSION IN JUNE ABOUT IF THERE ARE CERTAIN SIZE NO
3:46:18PM PARKING, CERTAIN SIZE ONE SPACE.
3:46:20PM THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
3:46:21PM AGAIN, THIS WILL ALL COME BACK AT THE DECEMBER 1st WHERE
3:46:24PM IF WE WANT TO MAKE TWEAKS OR OTHER MODIFICATIONS WE CAN, AND
3:46:28PM WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE OTHER DISCUSSIONS IF NECESSARY.
3:46:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MAKE A POINT.
3:46:36PM SOMETIMES YOU UNDERSTAND BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE A POINT.
3:46:42PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: ON THE SCREEN, I'M SHOWING YOU THE AREAS
3:46:47PM OF THE CITY WHERE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE ALLOWED,
3:46:50PM EITHER THROUGH THE GENERAL USE TABLE, WHICH SHOWS THE RS 50
3:46:54PM AND THE RS 60 LOTS OVER IN THE LOWRY PARK AREA WHERE IT'S
3:46:57PM PERMITTED.
3:46:58PM IT WAS DONE THROUGH A PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT SOME
3:47:02PM TIME AGO.
3:47:02PM THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AREA HERE IN PURPLE.
3:47:05PM AGAIN, THE SH ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH IS WHERE ADUs ARE
3:47:10PM PERMITTED NOW.

3:47:11PM AND THEN DOWN HERE, NMU DISTRICTS WHICH WERE CREATED FOR THE
3:47:16PM WEST RIVER AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, COMBINED ALL
3:47:19PM OF THESE AREAS, ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 4% OF THE CITY.
3:47:24PM AND THEN I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY FROM A PLANNING
3:47:27PM STANDPOINT, THE SELECTION OF THESE AREAS RELATIVE TO
3:47:29PM EVERYWHERE ELSE AROUND IT IS RELATIVELY ARBITRARY.
3:47:32PM WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE THE ALLOWABLE AREAS MORE
3:47:34PM EQUITABLE AND EXPAND THEM TO AS MANY PLACES AS POSSIBLE
3:47:37PM WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO SO.
3:47:39PM SO IN LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN --
3:47:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A QUESTION.
3:47:43PM IF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT -- PURPLE -- ALLOWED, RIGHT?
3:47:50PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: YES.
3:47:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MLK, MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD NORTH,
3:47:55PM THAT WOULD BE ALL OF WELLS WOOD, AM I CORRECT?
3:47:59PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: NO.
3:48:00PM THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
3:48:01PM LET ME KIND OF EXPLAIN THE AREAS.
3:48:02PM THIS IS ANYWHERE --
3:48:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXCUSE ME.
3:48:05PM WELLSWOOD BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER, NOT THE EAST
3:48:09PM SIDE.
3:48:09PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: YES.
3:48:10PM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AREA, EAST OF THE RIVER AND SOUTH OF THE
3:48:12PM RIVER BUT NORTH OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, EAST OVER TO 15th

3:48:16PM STREET, UP 15th STREET AND THEN EAST ON HILLSBOROUGH
3:48:18PM AVENUE AND NORTH ON 22nd.
3:48:21PM ANYWHERE THAT'S OFFICIALLY A SEMINOLE HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD,
3:48:23PM THERE'S SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
3:48:25PM IT'S INCLUDED -- IT'S ALREADY ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT.
3:48:28PM THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN WAS REFERRING TO.
3:48:30PM SO LOOKING AT WHERE THE AREAS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED, THERE
3:48:36PM HAVE BEEN SEVERAL POLICY-RELATED AMENDMENTS TO YOUR
3:48:39PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECENTLY THAT DEALT WITH WHERE GROWTH IS
3:48:44PM ENCOURAGED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
3:48:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN YOU PUSH IT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT?
3:48:48PM LITTLE FURTHER.
3:48:50PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE LEGEND THERE.
3:48:52PM THE PURPLE AREAS ARE, AGAIN, REALLY THE FOCUS.
3:48:55PM BUT SPECIFICALLY THE PLANNING DISTRICTS IDENTIFIED THERE IN
3:48:58PM DARK PURPLE, AND THEN THE ALLOWABLE ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN
3:49:02PM THEM ARE WHAT ARE SHADED PURPLE.
3:49:04PM THAT'S WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WILL BE ALLOWED.
3:49:06PM THESE DISTRICTS WERE SELECTED BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
3:49:09PM SPEAKS TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PLANNING DISTRICTS.
3:49:12PM SOUTH TAMPA, WESTSHORE, CENTRAL, UNIVERSITY DISTRICT, AND
3:49:16PM THEN THE NEW TAMPA DISTRICT.
3:49:18PM AND THEN WHAT THE FUTURE IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE WITHIN
3:49:21PM THOSE DISTRICTS.
3:49:22PM IT SPEAKS TO DIRECTING GROWTH AND NEW DEVELOPMENT AND

3:49:24PM REDEVELOPMENT INTO THE WESTSHORE DISTRICT, THE CENTRAL
3:49:28PM DISTRICT, AND THE UNIVERSITY DISTRICT.
3:49:29PM IT SPEAKS TO DISCOURAGING GROWTH IN THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT
3:49:34PM AS BEING NOT SUITABLE FOR AS MUCH GROWTH AS THE CENTRAL
3:49:39PM THREE DISTRICTS.
3:49:39PM IT SPEAKS THE SAME WAY ABOUT NEW TAMPA, WHICH IS WHY NEW
3:49:42PM TAMPA ISN'T INCLUDED ON THIS MAP AT ALL.
3:49:44PM WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO TOUCH EITHER OF THOSE AREAS.
3:49:47PM IN ADDITION TO THAT, SPEAKING TO THE NEW TAMPA DISTRICT
3:49:54PM SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO INCLUDE THAT AREA AS
3:49:57PM PART OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
3:50:00PM MAKING A CHANGE FOR NEW TAMPA RIGHT NOW WON'T AFFECT WHETHER
3:50:03PM YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT BECAUSE OTHER MECHANISMS IN PLACE
3:50:07PM PREVENTING THAT.
3:50:07PM SOUTH TAMPA, FALLING BACK ON THE LANGUAGE IN THE
3:50:10PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPEAKING TO WHERE GROWTH SHOULD BE
3:50:11PM ENCOURAGED, SOUTH TAMPA IS NOT ONE OF THOSE AREAS.
3:50:14PM IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU CAN SEE WE PUT HERE ON THE MAP THAT
3:50:17PM MAJORITY OF SOUTH TAMPA IS INCLUDED IN THE COASTAL HIGH
3:50:20PM HAZARD AREA, AND IT DOES HAVE A UNIQUE GEOGRAPHY COMPARED TO
3:50:24PM THE REST OF THE CITY AND THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS WITH THAT.
3:50:27PM SO THIS IS WHERE OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS.
3:50:29PM IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AGAINST INCLUDING
3:50:31PM IT IN OTHER AREAS.
3:50:32PM IT JUST MEANS AS THIS NEXT STEP GOES FORWARD, THIS IS A GOOD

3:50:35PM NEXT STEP THAT STAFF WAS COMFORTABLE PUTTING BEFORE YOU
3:50:38PM TODAY.
3:50:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:50:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THIS IS NOT A CITYWIDE INITIATIVE.
3:50:45PM AS YOU EXPLAINED, IT IS RESTRICTED TO THOSE BOUNDARIES THAT
3:50:48PM ARE COLORED IN THAT LIGHT PURPLE, CORRECT?
3:50:51PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: YES, SIR.
3:50:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IN MY OPINION,
3:50:54PM PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT OR IN WEST TAMPA OR PEOPLE THAT ARE
3:50:57PM AGAINST THIS ARE GOING TO SAY, WHY IS SOUTH TAMPA EXCLUDED?
3:51:01PM WHY ARE THEY BETTER THAN WE ARE?
3:51:02PM WHATEVER THEY SAY, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY AND THEY
3:51:06PM ARE GOING TO SAY -- THEY MAY SAY -- WHY CAN'T IT BE EQUALLY
3:51:11PM ASSESSED ACROSS THE CITY?
3:51:13PM I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANALYSIS AND WHY YOU CAME TO THIS
3:51:15PM CONCLUSION AND WHY YOUR TEAM CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION.
3:51:18PM BUT I KNOW -- I MEAN, I CAN HEAR MY FATHER SAYING IT.
3:51:21PM YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT -- IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR HERE BUT
3:51:26PM GOOD ENOUGH FOR THERE.
3:51:28PM YOU KNOW, DO IT OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL.
3:51:31PM RIGHT THERE I HAVE PAUSE WITH THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I'M
3:51:37PM GOING TO HEAR FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
3:51:40PM AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, WHETHER COASTAL HIGH HAZARD, WHETHER
3:51:43PM THE DENSITY IS ALREADY THERE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY
3:51:46PM WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING TO ENCOURAGE THIS KIND OF GROWTH, BUT

3:51:50PM THE ISSUE WITH RENT IS A CITYWIDE ISSUE.
3:51:53PM IT'S NOT -- OH, SOUTH TAMPA, NOT ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA IS RICH.
3:51:57PM NOT ALL OF WEST TAMPA IS RICH.
3:51:59PM IT'S MIXED AND DIVERSE.
3:52:02PM I'M JUST SAYING WHAT FEEDBACK I'M MOST LIKELY GOING TO HEAR
3:52:08PM BECAUSE OF THIS.
3:52:09PM THANK YOU.
3:52:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:52:10PM YOU KNOW WHAT I'D SAY FOR THE SOUTH TAMPA AND NEW TAMPA
3:52:14PM AREAS THAT WE EXPLAIN BECAUSE THERE IS A VERY RATIONAL BASIS
3:52:18PM FOR THE EXCLUSION.
3:52:19PM SOUTH TAMPA, LIKE YOU SAID, THE HIGH COASTAL HAZARD AREA,
3:52:23PM 33647 BECAUSE OF DEED RESTRICTIONS, ET CETERA, IS THAT WE
3:52:27PM VERY SIMPLY EXPLAIN IT.
3:52:29PM I'VE ACTUALLY DONE THE REVERSE FOR PARTS OF MY DISTRICT.
3:52:32PM REMEMBER WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE IN '16 AND I
3:52:35PM SUPPORTED THE STORMWATER TAX ASSESSMENT, WHATEVER, AND A LOT
3:52:39PM OF FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT WERE SAYING, WELL, WE DON'T GET A
3:52:42PM LOT OF STORMWATER AND WHATNOT.
3:52:43PM WELL, WE'RE ONE CITY, RIGHT?
3:52:45PM AND JUST THE PIPES PROGRAM.
3:52:48PM A LOT OF FOLKS, HEY, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
3:52:51PM IN NEW TAMPA, OUR PIPES ARE NEW.
3:52:53PM NEWER, 35, 25, WHATEVER YEARS IT MAY BE.
3:52:56PM AGAIN, WE'RE ONE CITY, AND THERE IS A RATIONAL EXPLANATION

3:52:58PM FOR THAT.
3:52:59PM SO I THINK FOR THAT, SO LONG AS WE EXPLAIN IT, I DON'T THINK
3:53:04PM IT'S THAT DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN, IN MY OPINION.
3:53:06PM BUT TRUST ME, IT'S FUNNY WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT YOUR FATHER.
3:53:10PM I SOMETIMES THINK MY FATHER WOULD SAY THAT.
3:53:12PM I OFTEN DO THAT.
3:53:13PM THANK YOU.
3:53:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:53:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:53:16PM ONE OF MY TWO DAUGHTERS OR ANY OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS LIVED IN
3:53:21PM SOUTH TAMPA AND WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR ME, I COULDN'T
3:53:24PM DO IT, RIGHT?
3:53:25PM SO I COULDN'T LIVE AT MY DAUGHTER'S HOUSE?
3:53:30PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE
3:53:32PM EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE USE BECAUSE THAT USE IS STILL
3:53:35PM PERMITTED CITYWIDE.
3:53:36PM THIS IS ONLY CHANGING THE ADU USE, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE THE
3:53:41PM FAMILY MEMBER REQUIREMENT TO IT.
3:53:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED WHAT
3:53:46PM YOU SAID BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ONE
3:53:48PM EITHER.
3:53:49PM YOU TELL ME IF THEY BUILD AN 8 BY 10 ROOM, THEY CAN DO IT?
3:53:53PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: YES, IN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
3:53:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
3:53:58PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO USES?

3:54:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT PUTTING INTO LAW THAT THEY ARE
3:54:02PM OMITTED FROM THAT.
3:54:04PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: BECAUSE THE EFRs ARE WHAT CURRENTLY
3:54:08PM EXIST.
3:54:08PM THOSE ARE THE EXISTING ALLOWABLE AREAS.
3:54:10PM WE DIDN'T PROPOSE MODIFYING THOSE.
3:54:12PM THAT'S JUST SITTING IN THE BACKGROUND.
3:54:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:54:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW IF I MADE THAT MOTION TO TALK
3:54:20PM ABOUT GETTING RID OF EXTENDED FAMILY DWELLINGS, BUT I'M
3:54:25PM GOING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
3:54:26PM I WOULD LOVE TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT MAYBE IN
3:54:31PM JANUARY OR IF WE HAVE APRIL.
3:54:33PM I DON'T KNOW, THROW OUT A DATE.
3:54:35PM BUT I STILL THINK, BECAUSE I AGREE, THERE IS CONFUSION, AND
3:54:39PM I THINK WE JUST NEED A CLEAN SLATE.
3:54:41PM SO I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO COME BACK TO DISCUSS
3:54:44PM THAT AT A FUTURE TIME, NOT NOW, BUT AT A FUTURE TIME.
3:54:49PM I CAN ALSO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT AND COME BACK LATER WITH A
3:54:58PM DATE.
3:54:58PM MY QUESTION IS, I SEE A BIT FURTHER SOUTH IN CENTRAL TAMPA
3:55:03PM THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PURPLE BUT ALSO COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
3:55:08PM AREA.
3:55:08PM LIKE, EXPLAIN, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED THERE?
3:55:12PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE DEFINITIONS FOR THE

3:55:15PM PLANNING DISTRICTS ARE VERY SPECIFIC.
3:55:17PM SO THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT DOES INCLUDE SOME AREAS
3:55:20PM THAT PEOPLE REFER TO AS SOUTH TAMPA.
3:55:22PM JUST TO BE CLEAR, DAVIS ISLAND WOULD BE INCLUDED AS AN
3:55:26PM ALLOWABLE AREA.
3:55:27PM HYDE PARK WOULD BE INCLUDED AS AN ALLOWABLE AREA.
3:55:29PM THAT'S BECAUSE OF HOW THE PLANNING DISTRICT LINES ARE DRAWN.
3:55:32PM IT'S NOT -- EVERYTHING SOUTH OF KENNEDY NECESSARILY PART OF
3:55:35PM THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
3:55:37PM THAT'S WHY THE MAP IS VERY IMPORTANT.
3:55:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST TO EXPAND ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME
3:55:46PM QUESTION, THINKING ABOUT WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN FORT MYERS,
3:55:51PM THINKING ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE, FUTURE USE ON IN COASTAL
3:55:59PM HIGH HAZARD AREA, THAT IS AN AREA WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS MADE
3:56:03PM COMMENTS ABOUT NOT ALLOWING CERTAIN GROWTH IN COASTAL HIGH
3:56:07PM HAZARD AREAS, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT DEPENDING UPON THE
3:56:10PM NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE IN, THEY WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT.
3:56:13PM SO WHAT'S THE BALANCE THERE?
3:56:15PM MILLION-DOLLAR QUESTION.
3:56:21PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THIS WAS OUR ATTEMPT AT TRYING TO STRIKE
3:56:23PM THAT BALANCE.
3:56:24PM IF YOU WISH TO ADD TO THIS CRITERIA IN SOME WAY AND SAY IN
3:56:28PM ADDITION TO THESE THREE DISTRICTS, PLEASE ALSO OMIT ANY
3:56:31PM PARCEL THAT'S WITHIN THE CHHA.
3:56:33PM WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE LANGUAGE AND MAKE IT EVEN SMALLER, IF

3:56:36PM THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING IN.
3:56:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO
3:56:41PM FIGURE THAT OUT.
3:56:41PM THANK YOU.
3:56:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:56:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'LL YIELD BACK, SIR.
3:56:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES
3:56:52PM TO SPEAK TO THIS PART OF AGENDA NUMBER 7?
3:57:03PM >> NATHAN HAGEN.
3:57:08PM LAST YEAR, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPTED AN EQUITY REPORT
3:57:11PM WHICH INCLUDED A PHENOMENAL PRESENTATION ABOUT THE HISTORY
3:57:15PM OF RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION AND PAINTED A PICTURE ABOUT HOW
3:57:19PM WE HAVE DELIBERATELY CONCENTRATED POVERTY IN EAST TAMPA AND
3:57:22PM PARTS OF WEST TAMPA OVER THE LAST 80 YEARS WITH OUR ZONING
3:57:27PM CODE.
3:57:27PM IT'S VERY CONSPICUOUS TO ME -- WELL, I'LL ALSO ADD THIS,
3:57:31PM LAST WEEK THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT ADUs IN CREATIVE
3:57:34PM LOAFING THAT SAID THAT THEY WERE A FORCE FOR GENTRIFICATION.
3:57:39PM THAT IS A COMPLEX ISSUE THAT I CAN'T TRY TO WALK US THROUGH
3:57:42PM HERE IN THREE MINUTES.
3:57:44PM BUT IT'S CONSPICUOUS, I THINK, AND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO
3:57:49PM ALLUDED TO THIS, IS THAT IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO IS IN A
3:57:53PM COMMUNITY THAT HAS SUFFERED FROM OUR INEQUITABLE ZONING CODE
3:57:57PM FOR THE LAST 80 YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT SOME
3:58:00PM NEIGHBORHOODS GET SPECIAL TREATMENT.

3:58:01PM AGAIN, AS THEY HAVE FOR 80 YEARS.
3:58:04PM SO I UNDERSTAND THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
3:58:07PM DEED RESTRICTIONS, I DON'T HAVE A POLICY SOLUTION TO THAT,
3:58:10PM BUT I DO KNOW THAT SAYING WE CAN'T HAVE ADUs, OCCASIONALLY
3:58:14PM IN THE WEALTHIEST PARTS OF TAMPA FOR THIS REASON, WHICH, BY
3:58:18PM THE WAY, SHOULD BE A SAFETY BUILDING CODE ISSUE, NOT A
3:58:21PM ZONING CODE ISSUE, PER SE, TO ME, I THINK EVERYONE CAN SEE
3:58:26PM THROUGH THAT.
3:58:26PM ANYBODY WHO IS ON THESE ISSUES IN EAST TAMPA AND WEST TAMPA
3:58:30PM WILL SEE IF THEY ARE INFORMED ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THAT SOUTH
3:58:33PM TAMPA ONCE AGAIN IS GETTING SPECIAL TREATMENT.
3:58:36PM I THINK THEY SHOULD BE CITYWIDE.
3:58:38PM I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT
3:58:41PM DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
3:58:44PM THAT INCLUDES PARTS OF DOWNTOWN, HARBOUR ISLAND, DAVIS
3:58:47PM ISLAND AND ALL THESE PLACES THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A BIG
3:58:50PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
3:58:50PM I KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THAT.
3:58:52PM I THINK THAT CONVERSATION CAN HAPPEN THEN.
3:58:54PM JUST TALKING ABOUT ADUs, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE EQUITY
3:58:57PM COMPONENT AND THAT INCLUDES ALLOWING THESE IN THOSE
3:59:00PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
3:59:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:59:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE THIS RED PEN.
3:59:09PM IT'S JUST RED-LINED ON YOUR MAP.

3:59:14PM WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS, WHICH WE
3:59:17PM KNOW WE HAVE SOME ISSUES THERE, BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE
3:59:22PM GOING TO HAVE A PROGRAM FOR THE CITY, IT SHOULD BE
3:59:26PM INCLUSIVE.
3:59:27PM YOU MAY HAVE SOME DEED-RESTRICTED AREAS, BUT SOME OF THOSE
3:59:30PM AREAS DEED RESTRICTED, MAY BE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF IT AND MAY
3:59:33PM NOT BE.
3:59:34PM AGAIN, IT LOOKS TO ME, AGAIN, ANOTHER CLASSIC WAY OF
3:59:38PM RED-LINING, JUST DOING IT IN A NICER WAY, BUT TO ME IT'S
3:59:45PM RED-LINING.
3:59:45PM WE TALK ABOUT EQUALITY, IT'S A PART OF EQUITY AS WELL.
3:59:49PM WE HAVE TO SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND.
3:59:51PM YOU'RE RIGHT, NATHAN.
3:59:52PM WE'RE NOT SPREADING THE WEALTH AROUND.
3:59:54PM THANK YOU.
4:00:00PM >> JUSTIN WILLITS, 3203 NORTH BAILEY STREET, TAMPA HEIGHTS.
4:00:04PM I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD JUST MOVE AHEAD ON THIS.
4:00:08PM IF SOUTH TAMPA WANTS TO COME BACK AND CAMPAIGN FOR THIS,
4:00:11PM THEN BY ALL MEANS.
4:00:12PM I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BASED ON WHAT STEPHEN BENSON
4:00:16PM SAID.
4:00:17PM WE SHOULD BE PROMOTING GROWTH IN THE PLACES THAT MAKE SENSE.
4:00:20PM SOUTH TAMPA HAS DEMONSTRATED SKEPTICISM TOWARDS GROWTH.
4:00:23PM THERE ARE SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE.
4:00:25PM WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRANSIT.

4:00:26PM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, AND IT
4:00:31PM DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD IN THE REST OF THE
4:00:34PM CITY.
4:00:35PM AND SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT I WANT TO JUST ADD IN, YOU KNOW,
4:00:39PM WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR TRANSPORTATION OR HOUSING.
4:00:42PM WE MAY NOT GET IT VERY SOON.
4:00:44PM WE CAN'T EXPECT THE CITY TO BUILD ENOUGH TRANSPORTATION OR
4:00:49PM HOUSING.
4:00:49PM WE NEED TO LEAN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BUILD SOME
4:00:53PM MORE OF THE HOUSING AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
4:00:55PM TODAY.
4:00:56PM I BOUGHT MY FIRST HOUSE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS SEVEN YEARS AGO AND
4:00:59PM THOUGHT I PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE AN ADU BY NOW AND WE'RE
4:01:02PM STILL TALKING ABOUT IT.
4:01:03PM THERE ARE REALLY A LOT OF BENEFITS THAT THIS HOUSING WOULD
4:01:07PM PROVIDE, INCLUDING AFFORDABILITY, AGING IN PLACE, REDUCING
4:01:11PM DISPLACEMENT WITH SOARING COSTS.
4:01:13PM THE SPECIFIC TRANSPORTATION-RELATED IMPACTS AS A TRANSIT
4:01:17PM PLANNER MYSELF, FORMER HART EMPLOYEE, THE PROBLEM WITH
4:01:20PM TRANSIT HERE IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE NEAR IT.
4:01:23PM THIS IS HOW WE GET MORE PEOPLE NEAR IT.
4:01:25PM WE HAVE CORRIDORS LINED WITH CAR SHOPS, NOT DENSE HOUSING.
4:01:28PM WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
4:01:31PM THERE ARE 10, 20, 30, 50 THINGS WE SHOULD DO AS A COMMUNITY
4:01:34PM TO GET MORE HOUSING.

4:01:36PM THIS IS ONE PIECE.
4:01:39PM IT IS ONE OF THE EASIER PIECES.
4:01:41PM LET'S MOVE IT AHEAD AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
4:01:43PM LIKE I SAID, COME BACK LATER FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
4:01:46PM I THINK THE PLANNER, THE CITY PLANNER MADE A GOOD CASE FOR
4:01:50PM WHY.
4:01:52PM IT DOESN'T MAKE A TON OF SENSE AND BASED ON WHAT I'VE
4:01:54PM PERSONALLY HEARD FROM THE SOUTH OF GANDY FOLKS, I DON'T
4:01:57PM THINK THEY WANT ANY DEVELOPMENT.
4:01:59PM THIS JUST IS PART OF THAT THING.
4:02:02PM I THINK I'VE NAILED ALL MY POINTS HERE.
4:02:07PM I'M SURPRISED I'M NOT AT THREE MINUTES.
4:02:10PM I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MOVE THIS AHEAD.
4:02:12PM YOU HAVE TIME TO PUT MORE EFFORT INTO THIS.
4:02:14PM THE BEST TRANSIT SERVICE WE HAVE IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY
4:02:18PM IS IN THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS ON THAT
4:02:22PM MAP YOU'VE GOT 15 AND 20 MINUTE SERVICE ALL DAY ON FLORIDA,
4:02:27PM NEBRASKA, FLORIBRASKA, 56th STREET AND HILLSBOROUGH
4:02:31PM AVENUE.
4:02:31PM THOSE ARE THE FOUR BEST ROUTES IN THE WHOLE HART SYSTEM.
4:02:34PM THEY CARRY ABOUT 25% OF THE DAILY RIDERSHIP.
4:02:36PM AND THIS IS GOING TO PUT MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES ALONG
4:02:40PM THOSE TRANSIT ROUTES.
4:02:41PM IT'S LIKE THIS IS GOOD FOR TRANSIT.
4:02:43PM THAT'S THE BIG TAKEAWAY.

4:02:45PM THANKS.
4:02:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. POYNOR, ARE YOU ONLINE?
4:02:53PM MS. POYNOR?
4:03:00PM MS. BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE?
4:03:04PM >> HELLO?
4:03:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. POYNOR?
4:03:08PM >> HELLO.
4:03:09PM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
4:03:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MS. POYNOR.
4:03:12PM >> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO ADDRESS MR. HAGEN IMPLYING THAT
4:03:20PM THERE IS NO POVERTY SOUTH OF GANDY, THAT THERE IS A -- WE
4:03:26PM ARE BEARING THE BRUNT IN THE FOUR SQUARE MIL