TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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09:01:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE COUNCIL MEETING HELD THIS DATE, NOVEMBER
3, 2022.
WHO HAS THE INVOCATION TODAY?
09:01:11AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DO, SIR.
09:01:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:01:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY GREAT PLEASURE TO INVITE MR. CAREY NANCE.
MARRIED WITH HIS WIFE, AMY, AND HAVE BEEN MARRIED -- WOW, COMING
UP ON 30 YEARS.
THAT IS GREAT.
THREE CHILDREN.
AND HIS PARENTS WERE BOTH BAPTIST MINISTERS AND EARNED A
MASTER'S DEGREE FROM TRINITY COLLEGE IN 2005 AND BEGAN
MINISTRY AT SOUTHSIDE BAPTIST CHURCH IN TAMPA, FLORIDA,
WHERE HE IS THE PASTOR AND THE POLICE CHAPLAIN SINCE 2005.
A GREAT PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU TODAY AND IF EVERYBODY WILL
STAND FOR THE PRAYER AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE.
09:02:00AM >> I WANT TO SAYS IT AN HONOR TO BE HERE TODAY.
AND BEFORE I PRAY, MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE DEVASTATION
DOWN IN FORT MYERS AND THAT AREA.
AND WE TRULY HAVE MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR HOW GOD HAS
SUSTAINED THIS CITY THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
REMINDED IN PSALM 103, BLESS THE LORD, OH MY SOUL, AND FORGET
NOT HIS BENEFITS AND LET'S DO THAT THIS MORNING.
OUR FATHER, WE WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT THIS MORNING TO THANK
YOU AND TO RECOGNIZE YOUR GREAT MERCY UPON THIS CITY AND HOW
YOU HAVE BLESSED US.
AND LORD, WE THANK YOU HOW YOU HAVE ALLOWED THIS CITY TO
GROW AND PROSPER.
AND LORD, WE RECOGNIZE IT HAS BEEN YOUR HAND OF GRACE THAT
HAS SUSTAINED US.
LORD, AS WE HAVE EVEN SEEN DEVASTATION DOWN SOUTH.
AND, LORD, WE REALIZE THAT STORM COULD HAVE LANDED HERE AND,
LORD, THAT OUR AGENDA COULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT TODAY, BUT
GOD, YOU HAVE BEEN KIND TO US.
SO, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AND WE WANT TO PRAISE YOU
FOR THAT.
LORD, AS WE COME TO THIS HOUR AND THIS DAY, LORD, WE
RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED YOUR HELP AND YOUR GRACE AND YOUR
WISDOM.
AND LORD, THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS AND MANY TASKS BEFORE THIS
COUNCIL.
AND I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD, LORD, HELP THEM AND GIVE THEM,
LORD, THE WISDOM THAT THEY NEED AND THE DIRECTION THAT THEY
NEED.
WE PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR, THAT YOU WILL BLESS HER AND LORD, OUR
TAMPA POLICE.
AND OUR FIRE AND THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS.
LORD, EVERY DAY THAT THEY STAND ON THOSE FRONT LINES.
GOD, WILL YOU HELP THEM, BLESS THEM.
LORD, OUR -- OUR CITY IS TRULY BLESSED BECAUSE OF YOU.
AND WE ARE IN NEED OF YOU.
SO WE ASK TODAY THAT YOU WILL HELP US TO RECOGNIZE OUR
DEPENDENCE UPON THEE AND I PRAY, OH GOD THAT YOUR GRACE WILL
BE SUFFICIENT IN OUR HEARTS, OUR HOMES.
THAT YOU WILL HELP US AND, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR JESUS
CHRIST AND FOR HOW HE HAS COME TO BE A SAVIOR FOR US.
LORD, MAY WE LOOK TO HIM TODAY FOR STRENGTH.
AND LORD, WILL YOU CONTINUE TO OVERSHADOW THIS PLACE AND
THIS CITY AND IN JESUS'S NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL.
09:04:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:04:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:04:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:04:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:04:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:04:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:04:46AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL FORUM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY.
09:04:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
TODAY IS NOVEMBER 3, 2022.
315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH,
LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM 640, FRONTIER
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09:05:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GO THROUGH THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
CHIEF.
09:06:07AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF
OF STAFF.
GOOD MORNING TO OUR PUBLIC.
A QUICK RECAP AFTER YESTERDAY'S AGENDA REVIEW SESSION.
SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO STAFF REPORTS.
ITEM NUMBER 4 ORIGINALLY THERE WAS NOTHING TO REPORT;
HOWEVER, AT THE MEETING ON TUESDAY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED OUR CFO TO COME BACK WITH A
FINANCIAL RESOURCE FOR SOMETHING, AND HE IS FOLLOWING TO DO THAT
UNDER ITEM 4, IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
ITEMS 5-7, STAFF IS HERE AND THEY OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE A VOTE.
ITEMS 8-9, AN APPEARANCE AND REPORT.
MANY OF THESE HAD MEMOS SUBMITTED.
ITEM NUMBER 10, STAFF IS WILLING TO MONITOR AND A MEMO ON
FILE.
ITEM 11 AND 12, A READING FOR THAT, FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS.
ITEMS 13 AND 14 REQUIRE A LEGAL REPORT.
ITEMS 15 AND 16 HAVE AN APPEARANCE AND REPORT TOGETHER.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE.
ITEMS 17, THERE IS A LEGAL REPORT AS WELL.
ITEM 18 HAS A DRAFT AND PRESENTATION.
ITEM 19 WAS REQUESTED TO BE CONTINUED.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ITEM 35 WAS PULLED.
AND STAFF WILL BE HERE FOR THAT AS WELL.
09:07:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:07:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM FINE WITH A REPORT FOR ITEM 16, AND I DON'T
NEED ANYONE TO APPEAR FOR THAT.
09:07:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL WANT TO HEAR A
VERBAL REPORT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, ARE YOU SAYING WE CAN TAKE 16 OFF THE
AGENDA?
09:07:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOVELY WRITTEN
REPORT.
09:07:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN CLARIFY AND I DON'T
KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO WHAT WE NORMALLY DO, TO HAVE
STAFF PRESENT FOR THE ONES THAT CONTAIN THE MEMORANDUM OR IF
-- IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEY CAN BE RELEASED FROM HAVING TO
APPEAR.
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE THEN, DO YOU WANT TO PRODUCE
-- PROCEED THAT WAY OR ASK COUNCIL.
09:08:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I ASKED IF ANYONE IN COUNCIL WANTED TO HEAR
THIS.
09:08:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TALKING ABOUT 16?
I AM LATE, 16, NO?
09:08:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM NUMBER 16.
09:08:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
RECEIVE AND FILE AT THE TIME -- NO, YOU DO
IT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST IN CASE.
09:08:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:08:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT 35 IS BEING TAKEN OFF
THE AGENDA?
09:08:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE THE REQUEST IS TO PULL IT FROM
THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PUT IT UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:08:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAD A NICE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I MISHEARD.
THANK YOU.
09:09:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU WANT TO
TAKE THAT UP?
09:09:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DURING STAFF REPORT.
09:09:09AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WOULD SUGGEST IN THE FIRST FEW BECAUSE
REQUIRES A VOTE.
I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT, IF I COULD, AND THANK THE CLERK'S
OFFICE WORKING WITH MY OFFICE TO ORGANIZE THE FRONT ENDS OF
THE AGENDA BASED ON VOTING AND REPORTING.
IF WE CAN MOVE THAT UP FOR THE VOTING BAND, THAT WILL BE
HELPFUL.
09:09:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
RIGHT AFTER ITEM NUMBER 4.
09:09:29AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YES, SIR.
09:09:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEMS -- EXCUSE ME, 17, 18 AND 19 ARE ASKING TO BE
CONTINUED UNTIL DECEMBER 15.
09:09:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.
09:09:46AM >> SECOND.
09:09:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO MOVE AGENDA ITEMS 17, 18 AND 19 WHICH
ARE FILE NUMBER CM 20770.
CM 22-7483 TO DECEMBER 15, 2022.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU.
09:10:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A MOTION BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM.
09:10:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:10:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:10:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE A WALK-ON FOR A PERSON TO SERVE
BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT NEXT MEETING ON FRIDAY.
09:10:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD WE LIKE TO DO THAT FIRST THING WHICH
SHOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG.
09:10:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG.
09:10:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
09:10:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:10:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY I WAS LATE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF IS HERE FOR 11, 12 AND 13.
09:11:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS STAFF GOING TO BE PRESENT FOR EVERY
OTHER ONE?
09:11:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
09:11:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
09:11:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FROM
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
IS THERE A SECOND?
09:11:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GUIDO SECONDED.
09:11:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
THANK YOU.
WE WILL TAKE THAT RIGHT BEFORE NUMBER 1.
09:11:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE CAN TAKE THAT FIRST AFTER PUBLIC
HEARING, WE CAN TAKE THAT AS WELL, IF POSSIBLE.
OR TAKE IT AFTER NUMBER 1.
09:11:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING -- I APOLOGIZE.
WE WILL DO CEREMONIALS AT THIS TIME.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:11:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
09:11:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
09:11:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO AND SECONDED BY GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:12:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:12:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU OKAY, COUNCILMAN GUDES?
09:12:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM JUST HERE, MY BROTHER.
JUST HERE.
09:12:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HEAR YOU.
WE ARE ALL JUST HERE.
09:12:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WATER WISE AWARD RECIPIENT, PLEASE COME
FORWARD.
COME ON UP GUYS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
HONORABLE CHAIRMAN OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, HONORABLE MEMBERS
OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
MY PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU ALONG WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT
HEAD CHUCK KANSAS WEBER.
I HAD TO GIVE YOUR MIDDLE NAME, KANSAS.
AND BRAD BAIRD.
AND I BELIEVE IT IS TONY MONK AND MEGAN.
OKAY.
I AM SORRY.
WHAT THIS IS -- WE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WITH
THEIR PROPERTY AND READ THE COMMENDATION FOR THEM.
ALL NATURAL, ALL BEAUTIFUL LOOKING.
09:13:18AM >> WE CAN'T SEE IT?
09:13:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU CAN'T SEE IT?
THIS MEANS THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK, SPENT A LOT OF
MONEY AND USED VERY LITTLE WATER.
CONGRATULATIONS.
LET ME READ THE COMMENDATION, IF I MAY.
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE TONY AS BEING THE WINNER OF
THE 2022 WATER WISE AWARD PRESENTED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA
WATER DEPARTMENT.
OVER 20 YEARS OF RECOGNITION AND TALENTED PEOPLE WHO CREATED
THE AWARD-WINNING LANDSCAPING OF USE OF NINE PRINCIPLES OF
FLORIDA'S FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING AND COMMITTED TO CONVERSATION
OUR WATER RESOURCE AND PROTECTED THE ENVIRONMENT BY USING
ATTRACTIVE FLORIDA-FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING.
ALL THOSE WORDS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND TO THE
ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE STEPS ARE GOING TO BE STEPS
AND MILES AND THOUSANDS OF GALLON ARE SAVED AND MILLIONS
POSSIBLY IF EVERYBODY LISTENING TO NATURE.
AND YOU HAVE DONE AN EXTENSIVE WORK IN CREATING WHAT YOU
CREATED A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING YARD.
AND YOU ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR THAT, FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT
ON IT.
BUT REALLY FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT HELPING THE EARTH STAY A
LITTLE CLEANER.
FOR THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH AND HAPPY TO
PRESENT THIS AWARD TO YOU, ALONG WITH MR. CHUCK AND MR. BRAD
BAIRD.
THIS AWARD IS YOURS, SIR.
AND THE PICTURES AND THE PAINTS AND THE PRINTS TELL THE
WHOLE STORY.
YOU DID THE HARD WORK SO YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME TO MY HOUSE
AND START.
[LAUGHTER]
[APPLAUSE]
09:15:15AM >> I AM SURE YOU WILL HAVE PLENTY OF BUSINESS TO DO.
WE STARTED THIS LONG BEFORE WE KNEW THIS AWARD EXISTED.
AND WE STARTED TO CONVERT OUR HOME AWAY FROM LAWN,
IRRITATION AND CHEMICALS BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS THE RIGHT
THING TO YOU FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND WE ONLY PURSUED THE AWARD BECAUSE WE HOPED TO
DEMONSTRATE TO OTHERS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A LOVELY HOME AND DO
THESE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE BROADER COMMUNITY AND FOR
THE ENVIRONMENT AND FOR OUR DRINKING WATER RESOURCES.
SO I DON'T -- I DIDN'T DO THIS PERSONALLY FOR THE
COMMENDATION, BUT I HOPE THAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL SEE IT AND
TAKE STEPS TO MAKE THEIR LITTLE PIECE OF TAMPA A LITTLE BIT
BETTER.
THAT'S ALL.
09:15:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:15:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COUNCILMEMBERS LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:16:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CONGRATULATIONS AND APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK
YOU DO.
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY IN TUNE WITH IT AND PASSIONATE.
THANK YOU.
09:16:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:16:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AGAIN, THANK YOU, CONGRATULATIONS.
YOU AND THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT WORK HARD.
AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU TO DO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A
BETTER PLACE.
09:16:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:16:30AM >> I AM AN EMPLOYEE OF THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT BUT THIS
WAS DONE BEFORE I WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE PARK AND REC
DEPARTMENT, TO BE CLEAR.
09:16:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS AND HOPEFULLY YOU
WILL BE AN INSPIRATION FOR OTHERS.
I SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE DOING THIS AND WE HOPE TO BE ABLE
TO CONVERT EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
09:16:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:16:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LITTLE KNOWN FACT BEFORE I GOT APPOINTED.
THIS WAS MY GOAL FOR THE YEAR TO DO THIS TO MY YARD.
I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME AT HOME LIKE I USED TO.
I AM WORKING TOWARD THAT GOAL.
YOUR YARD IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF HOW ALL OF US CAN MAKE
OUR YARDS FLORIDA FRIENDLY AND USING LESS -- I LOVE USING
LESS WATER AND CHEMICALS.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING THIS.
CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
09:17:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU WISH TO SPEAK.
09:17:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
I WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
YOU KNOW A NICE YARD IN A COMMUNITY MAKES IT WHERE PEOPLE
SAY, OH, WOW.
THEY WANT TO GO OUT AND HAVE A GREEN THUMB.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR --
09:17:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AS WATER BECOMES MORE OF A COMMODITY THAN
GOLD, WE ARE LOOKING AT YEARS DOWN THE LINE WHEN MORE AND
MORE PEOPLE MOVE TO THIS AREA.
I WANT THIS TO BE THE SHOWCASE TO TEACH PEOPLE TO CONSERVE
AND USE WATER WISELY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FOREFRONT.
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ALL OF TAMPA HOW THEY CAN CONSERVE
WATER AND STILL HAVE BEAUTIFUL YARDS.
THANK YOU.
09:18:12AM >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
09:18:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:18:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AGAIN, MY PLEASURE, HONORABLE CHAIR AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE THE CITY OF WATER BACKFLOW
MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION TEAM COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
[APPLAUSE]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DON'T BE BASHFUL.
[LAUGHTER]
I AM THE ONLY GUY THAT IS BALD.
COME ON.
AGAIN, BEFORE I READ THE COMMENDATION, THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS
THAT ARE BEHIND THE SCENES.
THE ONLY ONES THAT SEE THEM ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH
THEM.
AND WHAT THEY DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, SOMETHING TO KEEP US
SAFE.
THE WATER SIDE OF DRINKING.
AND THEY DO A VERY ADMIRABLE JOB.
BUT I THINK THE COMMENDATION'S WORDING WILL SAY IT ALL.
CRITICAL JOBS ARE OVERLOOKED AND BACKFLOW PREVENTION PLAY AS
ROLE.
BACKFLOW SAVES LIVES AND PROTECTS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND
WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
MEASURES TAKEN LONG AGO TO REQUIRE SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT TO
PREVENT CROSS CONTAMINATION OF A WATER SYSTEM WITH BACKFLOW
SYSTEM RUNNING PROPERLY, THE WATER SYSTEM IS AT NO RISK FOR
ANY POLLUTANTS GETTING INTO IT.
THIS SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT REQUIRES REGULAR TESTING,
MAINTENANCE.
RECENTLY MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA BACKFLOW, MAINTENANCE
AND INSPECTION TEAM WERE CERTIFIED IN CRITICAL NEEDS.
THIS TEAM AND THE SUPERVISOR ARE THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE
FOR THE CITY'S IMPORTANT BACKFLOW MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
HONOR TO RECOGNIZE THE BEHIND-THE-SCENE EMPLOYEES AND
SUPERVISORS FOR PROTECTING OUR HEALTH AND OUR DAILY SAFETY.
THANK YOU FOR THE SUPERVISOR AND CERTIFICATION INSTRUCTOR
FRANK ZIMMER AND HIS TEAM.
THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN THE TEAM.
I WILL TRY TO PRONOUNCE THEIR NAME.
MO, ROCKY ARROYO, WILLIE, LOUIS, ROSS, KEVIN RICHARDSON,
ADAM, AND LAZARO.
AM I RIGHT SO FAR?
GIVE ME AN A.
AND I WILL LET THEM SPEAK.
IT IS A REAL THING THAT WITHOUT INDIVIDUALS LIKE THIS -- NOT
ONLY IN THIS CITY -- BUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE WATER QUALITY WE WOULD HAVE
TODAY AND THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AGAIN, I WANT TO APPLAUD THEM FOR BEING WHO THEY ARE.
AND GIVE THEM A -- THEY ARE ALL GOING TO GET A COMMENDATION
IN PAPER AND THIS WILL HANG IN THE OPTION, I HOPE.
I WILL HAND IT OUT TO THEM AND I AM PUTTING IT LIKE THIS
LIKE IT IS IN ORDER.
[LAUGHTER]
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CITY COUNCIL
FOR THIS AWARD -- FOR THESE GUYS.
THESE GUYS WORK HARD EVERY DAY.
AND THEY DESERVE IT.
GOOD JOB, GUYS.
THANK YOU, AGAIN.
[APPLAUSE]
09:22:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMEMBERS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:22:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU
DO.
SO NICE TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO DO THE WORK THAT
KEEP THIS CITY RUNNING AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR ALL OF YOU TO
RECERTIFY.
THAT IS A REAL -- JUST WONDERFUL THING.
CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.
TALKS A LOT TOWARD YOUR TEAM AND YOUR TEAMWORK.
09:22:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:22:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
WE DON'T GET TO THANK YOU ENOUGH.
YOU WERE IN THE WORST OF THE DIFFICULT SITUATIONS.
HOPEFULLY YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS YOU
AND THANKS YOU.
09:22:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:22:59AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
THIS IS A HARD WORK THAT YOU DO.
AND A SMALL TOKEN OF APPRECIATION.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.
THANK YOU.
09:23:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:23:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO.
YOU ARE OUT THERE DOING THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC DON'T SEE ALL
THE TIMES.
YOU ARE OUT THERE.
TAKING CARE OF THINGS.
YOU ARE KEEPING THE CITY RUNNING.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO.
THANK YOU.
09:23:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:23:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALWAYS GREAT TO GET A ACCOLADE WHEN YOU ARE
DOING A GREAT JOB AND HELPING THE CITY GROW.
THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO.
09:23:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WATER IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES WITHIN
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
EVERYBODY WANTS FRESH, CLEAN DRINKING WATER.
EVERYBODY WANTS THE WATER TO BE TAKEN AWAY WHETHER FLOODED
ROADS OR TAKING AWAY OUR WASTEWATER.
YOU GUYS ARE VITAL.
VITAL TO HOW THE CITY WORKS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[APPLAUSE]
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:24:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME ED SHERWOOD,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM TO
PRESENT TO US THE STATE OF THE BAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TODAY.
09:24:24AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
THANK YOU FOR THE COUNCIL FOR INVITING ME.
AND I THINK THE PRESENTATIONS ARE VERY APROPOS WHAT I AM
GOING TO TALK ABOUT AND SOME OF THE INITIATIVES TO THE
ESTUARY PROGRAM.
I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO QUEUE IT UP OR NOT.
BUT JUST -- JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF ME.
I AM ED SHERWOOD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ESTUARY PROGRAM.
I HAVE SIX STAFF IN OUR PROGRAM.
WE ARE ONE OF 28 NATIONAL ESTUARY PROGRAMS DESIGNATED BY
CONGRESS TO PROTECT ESTUARIES OF NATURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
OUR PROGRAMMER IS RIGHT ABOUT $775,000 OF FEDERAL FUNDING
THAT WE MATCH WITH LOCAL SOURCES WHERE THE CITY TAMPA IS A
CONTRIBUTING POLICY BOARD MEMBER AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO
OUR PARTNER PROGRAM.
WORK WITH THE CITY OF CLEARWATER, CITY OF ST. PETE,
HILLSBOROUGH, PINELLAS AND PASCO AND MANATEE COUNTY.
OUR LONG-SERVING GOALS ARE DEFINED WITH -- HOW DO I ADVANCE
-- OUR PROGRAM PRIORITIES AND LONG-STANDING GOALS IS DEFINED
IN THE COMPREHENSIVE MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UNDER THE PLAN THREE MAIN THEMES THAT WE DIRECT FUNDING
RESOURCES FOR RESOURCE, RESTORATION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
EFFORTS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON IMPROVING OUR WATER AND
SENTIMENT QUALITY THROUGHOUT THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
THE FISH AND WILDLIFE HABITAT IN THE ESTUARY.
AND GETTING THE COMMUNITY ON BOARD HELPING US OUT AND
RESTORING THOSE RESOURCES.
I WILL JUMP RIGHT TO THE POINTS OR THE PUNCHLINE OF WHERE
THE STATE OF THE BAY IS.
WE PUT OUT A REPORT EVERY THREE YEARS, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING
SOME OF THE EXISTING CHALLENGES AND BENCHMARKING THE CURRENT
CONDITIONS OF EACH OF THE IMPORTANT INDICATORS OF THE BAY'S
HEALTH.
YOU KNOW, FROM THE START, I WANT TO MENTION, WE HAVE MADE
GREAT PROGRESS IN THE REGION.
MADE GREAT INVESTMENTS AND REMAINING CHALLENGES.
ONE OF THOSE IS THE OLD TAMPA BAY SEGMENT.
THE UPPER LEFT-HAND OF TAMPA BAY THE THREE BRIDGES THAT LINK
TO CITY OF TAMPA.
THAT OLD TAMPA BAY HAVE SUMMERTIME ALGAE BLOOM.
NOT RED TIDE BUT A DIFFERENT SPECIES AND OBSERVING THAT
BLOOM GOING BACK TO 2010.
A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE NUTRIENT LOADING AND POOR
TIDAL CIRCULATION THAT BAY SEGMENT EXPERIENCES.
ALSO, WE DO HAVE OTHER RIGOROUS GOALS IN TERMS OF OTHER
IMPORTANT HABITATS, OYSTERS, MANGROVES AND WETLANDS WITHIN
THE WATERSHED AND DEFINED FAIRLY ADDRESS SIEVE TARGETS FOR
3,000 ADDITIONAL ACRES OF THE HABITATS WITHIN THE NEXT TEN
YEARS AND WE NEED TO CAPITALIZE ON THE OPPORTUNITIES NOW AS
WE KNOW OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO EXPAND AND DEVELOP.
THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO RESTORE SOME OF THOSE HABITATS ARE
BEING LOST AND WE NEED TO CAPITALIZE ON THE OCEAN SPACES AND
THE LANDS TO GET THE IMPORTANT HABITATS BACK.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED VERY ACUTE EVENTS.
RED TIDE INCURSIONS IN THE BAY THAT AFFECTED THE FISH AND
WILDLIFE RESOURCES, AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE REALLY BEEN
ENGAGED WHEN THOSE EVENTS OCCURRED.
THE PINEY POINT DISCHARGE THAT UNLOADED UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT
OF NUTRIENTS IN THE BAY AND FOLLOWING THAT LOADING, A FAIRLY
SIGNIFICANT RED TIDE THAT INCURRED -- WENT UP INTO THE TAMPA
BAY FURTHER THAN WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS.
THOSE ARE SORT OF THE PRIORITIES AND SORT OF THE TAKE-HOME
MESSAGES FROM THE STATE OF THE BAY REPORT.
THERE ARE LINKS IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT THOSE ARE THE FOCAL
AREAS THAT WE ARE -- DIRECTING OUR RESOURCES AS ESTUARY
PROGRAM TOWARDS.
ONE GRAPHIC I WANT YOU ALL TO TAKE HOME AND SORT OF LEAVE AN
IMPRESSION ON YOU FROM MY PRESENTATION TODAY IS THIS ONE.
WE HAVE -- AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE MADE GREAT AND
SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS TO IMPROVE WATER QUALITY TO THE BENEFIT
OF SEAGRASSES WHERE WE REACH A DEFINED GOAL WE ESTABLISH IN
THE ESTUARY PROGRAM.
AMOUNT OF SEAGRASS COVERAGE.
WE ARE SEEING WARNING SIGNS WHERE THE BAY'S WATER QUALITY
AND THE HEALTH OF THOSE SEAGRASS RESOURCES ARE STARTING TO
DECLINE BELOW THE GOAL AND TARGET LEVEL.
SHOULD GIVE US SOME PAUSE AND ASK QUESTIONS WHAT WE NEED TO
DO TO BE PROACTIVE TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES UP FRONT TO
MAINTAIN A HEALTHY BAY BECAUSE THE HEALTHY BAY IS
ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS, AS YOU KNOW, TO
THE REGION.
WE GAUGE AND ASSESS HOW WELL WE ARE DOING USING A WATER
QUALITY TOOL FOR EACH OF THE BAY SEGMENTS.
THE STOP LIGHT GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN.
EACH OF THE FOUR, OLD TAMPA BAY, OLD HILLSBOROUGH, LOWER
TAMPA BAY HAVE CERTAIN WATER QUALITY INDICATORS.
AS I MENTIONED OLD TAMPA BAY HAD THIS CAUTION LEVEL BECAUSE
OF THE PERSISTENT ALGAE BLOOM FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WHAT DRIVES A LOT OF OUR WATER QUALITY ISSUE IN THE BAY IS
THE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENTS THAT ENTER THE SYSTEM THROUGH A
VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SOURCES.
ONE OF THE MAIN SOURCES THROUGH NONPOINT SOURCES OR
STORMWATER.
64% OF THE NITROGEN LOAD, 2300 TONS ON AVERAGE EMANATES FROM
STORMWATER.
ANOTHER 17% COMES FROM ATMOSPHERIC MISSIONS.
BASICALLY NITROGEN CONTAINING THE AIR BEING DEPOSITED ON THE
AIR SURFACE.
AND OTHER 17% COMES FROM INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER AND
INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER DISCHARGED TO THE BAY OR WATER SHED.
TO REDUCE NITROGEN LOADS AND DOING THAT IS THE NITROGEN
MANAGEMENT CONSORTIUM THAT THE CITY IS PART OF.
WE DIVVIED UP THAT PIE.
BASICALLY INTO SLICES FOR EACH OF THE MAJOR SOURCES WITHIN
THE ESTUARY.
AND I HIGHLIGHT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
DEFINE LIMITS FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE
LOADS THAT THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AND MAINTAINING THOSE
LOADS MOVING FORWARD IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF HOW WE
PROACTIVELY MANAGE THE BAY.
WE KNOW WITH CONTINUED GROWTH, MORE WASTEWATER, MORE IMPACTS
ON STORMWATER QUALITY OF THOSE NUTRIENTS ENTERING THE BAY.
WE NEED TO BE VIGILANT AND MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS UP FRONT
TO ENSURE THAT THE BAY REMAINS HEALTHY.
WE HAVE SEEN SORT OF THESE WARNING SIGNS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE
INVESTMENTS SO THAT THOSE WARNING SIGNS DON'T BECOME A FATAL
SIGN FOR THE HEALTH OF TAMPA BAY LIKE OTHER AREAS LIKE THE
INDIAN RIVER LA GOON.
AS I MENTIONED, ONE OF THE PERSISTENT WATER QUALITY PROBLEMS
WE HAVE IS IN THE UPPER BAY SEGMENT AND OLDS TAMPA BAY.
THAT TRIGGER OF NOT MEETING WATER QUALITIES IS PRIMARILY
RELATED TO AN ALGAE BLOOM THAT OCCURS.
PYRODIMUM.
BIO LUMINANCE.
IF YOU PADDLE THROUGH DURING THE SUMMER, IT WILL GLOW.
AND THE SPECIES WILL PROVIDE TOXIN LEVELS THAT ARE -- THAT
AFFECT FISH AND WILDLIFE AND CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH DISSOLVED
OXYGEN IN THE WATER COLUMN.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE INVESTING IN TERMS OF
STORMWATER RETROFIT PROJECTS INVESTING THOSE IN THE BAY
SEGMENT AND WANT TO BE VIGILANT ON REDUCTION OF ALL NUTRIENT
SOURCES LEADING TO THE UPPER BAY SEGMENTS.
THIS GRAPHIC JUST HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE LOST
SEAGRASSES OVER THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT PERIODS AND AGAIN
AREAS WHERE WE ARE SEEING THE POOR WATER QUALITY CONDITIONS.
AND WE WANT TO GET BACK BEYOND THAT BRIGHT GOLD LINE IN NEAR
FUTURE.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE DECLINE OF SEAGRASSES BECAUSE THE
BAROMETER OF THE BAY'S HEALTH AND WE ARE NOT IN A GOOD
PRACTICE TRAJECTORY BASED ON THE LAST TWO ASSESSMENT
PERIODS.
WE LOSE KEY HABITATS LIKE THAT, THAT WILL ULTIMATELY EFFECT
IMPORTANT FISH AND WILDLIFE RESOURCES THAT EVERYONE EXPECTS
THE FISH AND ESTUARY TO HAVE.
WE HAVE INDICATORS OF FISH AND WILDLIFE.
SNOOK, RED FISH, TROUT THAT RECRUIT INTO THE ESTUARY.
USE THESE UPPER PORTIONS OF THE ESTUARIES AND HABITATS
REPRESENTED THERE TO LIVE OUT THEIR LIFE AND GROW UP TO
ADULTS THAT WE LATER, YOU KNOW, GO OUT ON THE BAY AND TRY TO
FISH AND CATCH.
SO THERE ARE THESE WARNING SIGNS OUT THERE.
OVERALL, WE MADE GREAT IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THERE IS STILL WORK
TO BE DONE.
AND THAT IS SORT OF THE TAKE-HOME MESSAGE OF THIS LATEST
STATE OF THE BAY REPORT THAT I WANTED TO TRANSLATE TO YOU
ALL.
AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE GOVERNMENTS SURROUNDING THE BAY
AND THE SURROUNDING AGENCIES CAN'T BE THE ONLY ONE WORKING
ON THE ISSUES.
WE ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN SOCIAL MARKETING.
USING WATER WISELY, LANDSCAPING, AVOIDING IMPACTS FROM
LATERAL SYSTEMS.
THOSE SOCIAL MARKETING CAMPAIGNS ARE ONES WE ARE INVESTING
IN AND TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS LIKE THE CITIES AND
COUNTIES ON FURTHER REDUCING THOSE LOADS TO TAMPA BAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS BACK TO THE BEGINNING, BUT I
PROMISE I AM CLOSE TO WRAPPING UP AND CAN ENTERTAIN ANY
QUESTIONS.
BUT WORKING WITH CITIZENS ON WAYS WE CAN IMPROVE
PARTICULARLY WATERFRONT AREAS WHERE WE INCREASE THE
COMPLEXITY OF HABITAT USING VERTICAL OYSTER GARDENS OR
LIVING SHORELINES.
THOSE ARE THE INVESTMENTS WE ARE PUTTING OUR FUNDING FOR TO
ENCOURAGE THIS TO BE EXPANDED THROUGHOUT THE REGION.
AND THEN IN THE END, AS I MENTIONED WHEN WE MAKE THE
INVESTMENTS, WE REAP THE REWARDS IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL
STABILITY THAT ALLOW THE ESTUARY TO BUFFER IMPACTS FROM
HURRICANES AND OTHER EVENTS LIKE PINEY POINT IN THE FUTURE.
BUT AS THE BAY'S STABILITY CONTINUES TO DECLINE, YOU KNOW,
THE TIPPING POINT FOR THE ECOSYSTEM TO TAKE REALLY BIG HITS
BECOMES MORE IN PERIL.
WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS BECAUSE THEY
WILL COME BACK AND -- AND TWO FOLD.
ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF OUR
REGION.
AS YOU KNOW, TAMPA BAY IS THE CENTER PIECE OF ECONOMY.
IT IS IMPORTANT FOR MANY OF THE JOBS WITHIN THE REGION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE STAND TO LOSE A LOT OF THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT
IF WE HAVE AN UNHEALTHY BAY, WE HAVE PERSISTENT HARMFUL
ALGAE BLOOMS THROUGHOUT THE REGION.
WE WILL REMAIN VIGILANT, MAKE INVESTMENTS, AND LOOK TO THE
FUTURE BECAUSE WE KNOW THE REGION IS GROWING, AND WE HAVE TO
COMPENSATE FOR THAT TO ENSURE THAT THE BAY DELIVERS WHAT WE
WANT IT TO DELIVER IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL
BENEFITS.
I WILL STOP THERE.
I TALKED A LITTLE FAST AND YOU GUY HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS
BUT TRIED TO FIT IT IN TEN MINUTES.
09:35:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:35:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THIS.
A GREAT PRESENTATION AND FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT WE SHOULD
BE ANYTHING OF ALGAE BLOOMS AND HOW WE -- AND HOW WE PUT
WASTEWATER OR ANY TYPE OF WATER BACK INTO THE BAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I KNOW THAT OUR WATER DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON A NEW
PROGRAM.
I THINK THEY ARE BRINGING TO US NEXT WEEK.
I AM NOT SURE.
DECEMBER.
THAT IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT -- I BELIEVE IT IS CALLED THE
SIX.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN BRIEFING ME ON THIS AND ONE OF THOSE
STUDIES TO SEE IF WE CAN TAKE MORE NUTRIENTS OUT OF THE
WATER BEFORE IT GOES BACK INTO THE BAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS AND ALERTING US AND LETTING US
KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
APPRECIATE IT.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.
09:36:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:36:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU A LOT FOR COMING.
GREAT PRESENTATION.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME FROM MEDIA STORIES THAT SOMETHING
HAPPENED THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT CHANGED THE NUMBERS IN THE
BAY.
I WONDER IF YOU CAN SAY IF THAT IS RIGHT OR NOT AND WHAT
HAPPENED.
NUMBER TWO, SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER WHO JUST WALKED IN, HE
HAS SAID -- I WILL PARAPHRASE.
HE SAID THAT THE PARTIALLY TREATED WASTEWATER THAT WE PUT IN
THE BAY IS MUCH, MUCH CLEANER THAN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
PLUS THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER HAS MANY, MANY TIMES MORE WATER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MAYBE MILLIONS OF GALLONS A DAY OR
WHATEVER.
BUT MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER IS FULL
OF POLLUTANTS -- NUTRIENTS AND POLLUTANTS GOING INTO THE
BAY, SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SHOULD TO DO ADDRESS THE
POLLUTION IN THE RIVER THAT IS AFFECTING THE BAY OR IS IT
NOT AFFECTING THE BAY?
09:37:24AM >> SO ON YOUR FIRST POINT, I THINK THAT WE WERE DOING REALLY
WELL UP UNTIL 2016.
I THINK SOME OF THE ALGAE BLOOMS THAT OCCURRED IN OLD TAMPA
BAY ARE STARTING TO CATCH UP WITH US AND AFFECTED SEAGRASS
RESOURCES.
SINCE 2016 WE HAVE SEEN A DECLINE IN THE SEAGRASS RESOURCES
DUE TO WATER QUALITY ISSUE.
PERSISTENT WATER QUALITY ISSUES.
ACUTE EVENTS.
PINEY POINT DISCHARGE RELEASED AMOUNT OF NUTRIENTS INTO THE
BAY AND WE SAW RAMIFICATIONS OF A RED TIDE BLOOM IN 2021.
CERTAINLY THESE ACUTE EVENTS AND THE CHRONIC LOSSES OF
SEAGRASSES REDUCING THE BUFFERING CAPACITY OF THE BAY TO
ABSORB THOSE SORT OF IMPACTS.
THAT MAKES US TAKE PAUSE AS A ESTUARY PROGRAM AND, AGAIN,
TRYING TO ENCOURAGE OUR INVESTMENTS FOR THE LONG-TERM TO GET
THE BAY BACK ON TRACK.
FOR THE SECOND POINT, HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, YES, ONE OF THE
RIVERS THAT CONTRIBUTE FRESH WATER FROM A LARGE WATER SHED
INTO TAMPA BAY, AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY NUTRIENT SOURCES TO
TAMPA BAY IS STORMWATER AND NONPOINT SOURCES.
WORKING ON PROJECTS WITH THE CITY -- WE ACTUALLY HAVE A
PROJECT TO LOOK AT RESTORING PURITY SPRINGS.
ELALEY SPRINGS AND OTHER PROJECTS THE TIDAL CREEKS AND URBAN
CONVEYANCES TO DELIVER THE FLOOD AND STORMWATER FROM OUR
URBANIZED ENVIRONMENT TO THE RIVER GREEN SYSTEM AND SOME OF
THE STORMWATER BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES IN THOSE AREAS ARE
AN IMPORTANT STEP OF GETTING THE BAY BACK ON TRACK.
SO IT -- REALLY -- OUR APPROACH AND SUCCESS IN THE PAST
HAVEN'T BEEN ONE PARTICULAR SMOKING GUN.
IT IS TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL THE SOURCES OF NUTRIENTS.
09:39:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU KNOW.
QUICK FOLLOW-UP.
OPENING THE SPRINGS FOR THE FLOWS, HOW MANY MORE MGDs FOR
THE MINIMUM FLOW OF THE RIVER.
SECOND THING -- WHAT THAT IS DOING IS PUTTING MORE FRESH
WATER INTO THE MIX.
BUT ANYTHING WE SHOULD DO MORE THAN WE ARE DOING NOW TO TRY
TO PREVENT PHOSPHATE RUNOFF OR -- OR TO TRY TO TREAT THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER IN SOME WAY OR WHATEVER IS GOING IN THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
09:39:49AM >> LIKE I MENTIONED INVESTING IN STORMWATER RETROFITS IN
AREAS THAT WERE PRIOR TO SOME OF THE MOST RIGOROUS
STORMWATER RULES THAT WENT IN PLACE IN 1985.
AREAS THERE WE CAN LOOK AT TO RESTORE THE ATTENUATION OF
STORMWATER THAT COMES OFF OF THOSE AREAS.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO REFOCUS, YOU KNOW, SOME -- FUNDING AND
EFFORT TOWARD IMPROVEMENTS TO BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE OR
STORMWATER -- ADDITIONAL STORMWATER CONTROLS.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY IS INVESTING IN THOSE IN TERMS OF
BAFFLE BOXES AND OTHER VAULT SYSTEMS TO TRY TO ATTENUATE
THOSE NUTRIENTS FROM EMANATING FROM STORMWATER SOURCES
THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA JURISDICTION.
SUCH A LARGE SOURCE THAT A LOT OF DISTRIBUTE PROJECTS ARE
NEEDED TO MAKE AN IMPACT.
09:40:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:40:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I SERVED ON THIS BOARD FOR A LITTLE OVER FOUR.
I GOT TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR PREDECESSOR AND ALWAYS VERY
INFORMATIVE AND EYE OPENING.
EVERYTHING FROM SEAGRASS LEVELS AND WHAT YOU SHOWED TO THE
QUALITY OF THE WATER AND WHAT WE ARE PUTTING OUT INTO THE
BAY AND MAINTAINING THAT.
THIS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
ENVIRONMENT, SEA LEVEL RISE, CLIMATE CHANGE, EVERYTHING
HAPPENING AROUND US.
IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THIS, WE CAN SAY GOODBYE TO A LOT
AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS SO IMPORTANT.
THE QUALITY OF OUR ENVIRONMENT, THE QUALITY OF OUR WATER.
YOU FINISH WITH UP WITH OF THE LAST SLIDES, GOOD, CLEAN,
HEALTHY WATER SUPPLY IS OF SUCH SIGNIFICANCE TO US AND
FUTURE GENERATIONS.
BUT HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE AND GIVING US THIS UPDATE.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU.
09:41:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:41:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
EVER A DEBATE ON THE BAY, I WANT YOU ON OUR SIDE.
WITHOUT ANYTHING IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU READ LIKE THE WHOLE
STATUE ON HOW TO KEEP A BAY IN PROPER CONDITION.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THAT.
I KNOW THAT PRIOR TO 2016, THAT BAY WAS BETTER THEN THAN IT
WAS IN THE 1950s.
I GUESS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FROM '16 TO THAT, IT HAS
BECOME A LITTLE MORE POLLUTED THAN WE WISH IT TO BE.
SO IF THERE IS ANY WAY WE CAN HELP OUT TO HELP THE
ENVIRONMENT AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN THIS
COUNTRY THAT WE LIVE IN AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD ARE NOT
REALLY BEING ADHERED TO.
NATURE TELLS US WHAT IT CAN TAKE AND WHAT IT CANNOT TAKE.
IT HAS TELLING US FOR YEARS IT CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE ABUSE AND
WE DON'T LISTEN TOO WELL.
THANK YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING
TO MAKE NATURE COME BACK AND HAVE THE WATER RESOURCES WE
HAVE FOR MANY THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO COME.
09:42:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
I AM WITH THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING RESILIENCY
COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE DONE GREAT WORK AT MacDILL AIR FORCE
BASE OF RESTORATION OF SHORELINES DOWN THERE.
YOU TALK TIDAL FLOWS.
AND EVERY TIME FDOT DECIDES TO BUILD A BRIDGE ACROSS THE
BAY, THAT DRAMATICALLY CHANGES OUR TIDAL FLOWS.
WHEN THEY BUILD THE BRIDGES, THEY GOUGE THE SEA FLOORS.
WE HAVE CYPRESS POINT PARK, WHICH HAS A HUGE GOUGE IN IT
THAT CAN BE RESTORED.
RESTORED BY PLANTING SEAGRASS -- FIRST LEVEL IT OUT,
PLANTING SEAGRASS AND PUTTING OYSTER BARS WHICH IS
FILTRATION SYSTEMS FOR OUR WATER.
I AM HOPING THAT CITY OF TAMPA CAN HELP RESUPPORT OUR
SEACRASSES.
PETITION THOSE HERE IN THE BAY AREA THAT CAN ASSIST US IN
THE PROGRAM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT TODAY.
09:43:47AM >> THANK YOU.
CERTAINLY THINK THERE ARE OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WILL
COMPLEMENT THE NUTRIENT LOAD STRATEGIES WE HAVE.
ONE IS TO IMPROVING TIDAL CIRCUMSTANCE LAKES IN THE OLD
TAMPA BAY REGION.
THAT IS A COMPONENT TO PUT THAT SEGMENT BACK ON TRACK FOR
SURE.
09:44:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:44:06AM >> THANK YOU.
09:44:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL BE TAKING PUBLIC
COMMENT.
IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
PUBLIC COMMENT, WOULD YOU PLEASE FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT,
YOUR RIGHT.
09:44:26AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
LOCATED 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS BELOVED SON AND WHO
SHALL BELIEVE IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH AND HAVE EVERLASTING
LIFE.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU DON'T ACCEPT THAT, BUT THAT IS THE TRUTH.
I THANK GOD FOR MY PRESENCE HERE ONCE AGAIN.
AND WE ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THEN MOST OF THE TIME YOU
DON'T WANT TO HEAR NOBODY OUT.
BUT THE THING ABOUT IT -- I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ALL
ABOUT THE CLEAN UP PROJECT.
IT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND THE MAYOR -- AIN'T TELLING NOBODY
IN JACKSON HEIGHTS TO CLEAN UP THE STREETS.
NOTHING THERE.
AS IF THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN.
WHICH WE KNOW THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT BLACK FOLK
NEIGHBORHOOD NOWHERE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS -- THE RETENTION POND.
Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT THE -- WE NEED TO BE -- HAVE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
GIVE US OUR LAND BACK SO WE CAN BUILD THEM UP.
DOWN 22nd STREET AND ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE NEED TO GET OUR LAND BACK.
OUR LAND BUILT UP THIS COUNTRY, AND YOU TREAT US LIKE WE ARE
NOTHING BUT ANIMALS.
TREAT US WORSER THAN HUMAN BEINGS.
THE THING ABOUT IT THAT WE MUST UNDERSTAND, GOD CREATED US.
AND WE ARE CREATED IN HIS IMAGE AND HIS LIKENESS.
I AM PROUD TO BE WHO I AM.
I AM NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT THE LORD GOD
ALMIGHTY, THE REASON WE ARE HERE.
IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT
IT.
I THANK GOD FOR THIS DAY.
I MIGHT NOT BE COMING AROUND HERE TOO MUCH LONGER, BUT GOD
IS STILL GOOD.
HE IS GOOD TO ALL OF US.
AND HE LOVE ALL OF US TOO.
WE TRY TO MAKE THINGS A DISASTER BECAUSE WE ARE CERTAIN
CREATURE OF GOD -- OH -- WANT TO BE EVERYTHING ELSE BUT WHAT
GOD CREATED US TO BE.
GOD CREATED YOU TO BE A MAN.
BE A MAN.
IF GOD CREATED YOU TO BE A BOY, BE A BOY.
IF GOD CREATED YOU TO BE A LADY, BE A LADY.
IF GOD CREATED YOU TO BE A GIRL, BE A GIRL.
THE ONLY WAY TO ACCEPT IT.
WE THANK GOD FOR BLESSING.
GOD HAS BROUGHT US FROM A MIGHTY LONG DAY AND AS BAD AS YOU
TREAT US -- SOME OF US, I AM TALKING ABOUT MYSELF, THE MORE
GOD BLESSES US.
I THANK GOD FOR US.
I WILL PREACH UNTIL I GO TO THE GRAVEYARD, PREACHING THE
GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSING.
AMEN.
GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.
09:47:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:47:50AM >> THIS IS MY STORY PLEASE.
I WOULD LIKE --
09:48:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, MY NAME IS ROBERT RUMOR.
I LIVE AT 1303 WEST HIAWATHA STREET IN TAMPA.
LAST YEAR, ETBCA AGREED TO PUT A ROOF ON MY 850-SQUARE-FOOT
HOME.
THE COST WAS $12,500.
THE ORGANIZATION DID ADDITIONAL WORK AS WELL.
THE ROOF HAD A HUMP IN IT.
ETCVA CONTRACTOR CAME BACK AND CHARGED ETVCA $1,000 TO CHECK
THE REASON FOR THE HUMP.
THEY DID NOT STOP THERE.
THE COST OF REPLACING THE HUMP THAT WAS MISSED THE FIRST
TIME WAS $25,000.
BRINGING THE TOTAL COST TO $38,500.
FOR THE ROOF ON A SMALL HOME.
WHEN I ASKED THE CITY FOR CLARIFICATION, RECEIPTS, THERE WAS
NO RESPONSE.
LESS THAN TWO YEARS LATER AS A VETERAN, I QUALIFY FOR FREE
ROOFING MATERIAL.
AND A LOCAL ROOFER IS DONATING THEIR SERVICES TO HELP THE
LESS THAN TWO-YEAR-OLD ROOF OFF AND REPLACE IT.
MY ROOF WILL BE REPLACED NEXT WEEK, BEGINNING MONDAY.
BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, I REQUEST AN AUDIT TO BE
COMPLETED BEFORE ANY MONIES ARE APPROVED.
INSPECTOR HOWARD INSPECTED THE ROOF AND SAID CONTRACTOR
VICTORIA HOPS DID NOTHING WRONG.
THERE HAVE BEEN ESTIMATES FROM TWO OTHER ROOFING COMPANIES
WITH QUOTES.
THE ESTIMATED COST WAS $15,000.
NOT $38,500.
THAT IS MY TIME.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
09:50:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:50:15AM >> THANK YOU.
09:50:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, MIKE REEVES.
I WANT TO START BY SAYING RHAT I HAVE A HEARING PROBLEM, SO
IF YOU RESPOND TO ME, PLEASE SPEAK LOUDER.
I OWN A COMPANY REEVES BUILDING AND ROOFING AND BEEN IN
BUSINESS 45 YEARS.
MY COMPANY IS ALSO IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA.
I AM PART OF YOUR EQUAL OPPORTUNITY MBE PROGRAM AND HAVE
BEEN DOING THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I HAVE DONE A LOT OF QUALITY WORK FOR YOU, THE CITY, OKAY.
AT THIS PRESENT TIME, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT HAD TAKEN ME
OUT OF THE -- OFF THE BID LIST TO BE ABLE TO BID ON HOUSING
REHAB JOBS.
OKAY.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF E-MAILS SENT OUT AND I SENT STUFF TO
YOU GUYS OF HOW WE FEEL ABOUT -- IT HAS BEEN ABOUT A YEAR.
WE ARE FILLING -- AND CONTEMPLATING AND TO BE HONEST WITH
YOU, FILING A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY IF THIS MATTER
DOESN'T COME TO AN END, OKAY.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES.
WE ARE IN GOOD STANDING WITH EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT, BUT WE
HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE -- WITH THE NONPROFIT
AND, ALSO, THE HOUSING PROJECT AT HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE GOTTEN E-MAILS.
AND A LOT OF THE E-MAILS THAT WE SEPTEMBER IN, PEOPLE WHO
HELPED ME WENT TO THE -- WENT TO THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.
ONE WOULD BE, I REQUEST INFORMATION FROM THE HOUSING
DEPARTMENT IN REFERENCE TO HOW THE MBE COMPONENT, SMALL
BUSINESS, IS TIED INTO THE HOUSING.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW
IS NOT FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT READS THAT EVERY CITY JOB, MONEY,
BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, CONTRACT NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH THE MBE SMALL
BUSINESS PORTION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE.
TODAY THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
TWO MONTHS AGO I SENT A LETTER OUT TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT
TO GET SOME INFORMATION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
MY POINT IS IS THIS.
I AM ASKING YOU TO LOOK INTO MY COMPANY, REEVE PLUMBING,
BUILDING AND ROOFING AND GET ME AN ANSWER WHY I AM NOT ABLE
TO BID ON HOUSING JOBS TODAY.
IF NOT, I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS -- IT HAS BEEN ABOUT A YEAR.
SO RIGHT NOW, I GOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO SAY THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING FILING A
LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY FOR WHAT WE DEEM MAY BE A CASE OF
DISCRIMINATION.
MY NAME IS MIKE REEVES.
PRESIDENT OF MIKE REEVES PLUMBING AND ROOFING.
THANK YOU.
I LOVE MY CITY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE SPEAK LOUDER.
09:53:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
FOR MR. REEVES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED.
09:53:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN.
09:53:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SEE MISS FEELEY AND MISS TRAVIS.
TAKE NOTE WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SO WHEN YOU COME TO
THE PODIUM YOU SUGGEST WHAT IS BEING DONE, WHAT IS NOT BEING
DONE WITH ANY HOUSING ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE CONTRACTS
MOVING FORWARD US TODAY.
THANK YOU.
09:53:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
09:53:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
09:53:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A REMINDER, COUNCIL.
THAT COUNCIL PER ITS RULES, RULES 4-K.
AVOID ANY DISCUSSION OF MATTERS WHERE THE CITY IS OR LIKELY
TO BE A PARTY IN LITIGATION WITHOUT CONCURRENCE OF COUNSEL.
I WANT TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.
09:53:58AM >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME?
09:54:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO, THANK YOU.
09:54:02AM >> THANK YOU.
ENJOY YOUR DAY, GUYS.
09:54:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:54:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:54:10AM >> MY NAME IS FRANKIE JONES.
RESIDE 3606 EAST GENESEE STREET IN RAINBOW HEIGHTS.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF RAINBOW HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION.
AND I AM BRINGING SOME CONCERNS IN REFERENCE TO THE GUN
VIOLENCE, THE SHOOTINGS.
I LIVE RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF COURTLAND AND GENESEE.
THERE IS A CHURCH IN FRONT OF MY HOME WHERE NOW THE YOUNG
MEN OR WHOEVER IS SHOOTING IS -- IS STANDING OVER IN THE
CHURCH PARKING LOT.
PASSING THROUGH, SHOOTING DOWN WHERE THE BLUE STORE IS RIGHT
THERE ON GENESEE AND COURTLAND.
I HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES TO DIFFERENT CRA MEETINGS, THE
PUBLIC SAFETY MEETINGS TO FIND OUT WHY WE CAN NOT GET THAT
STORE SHUT DOWN AS A NUISANCE.
THE GUYS ARE STANDING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.
BUT IT IS JUST REALLY -- IT HAS REALLY EXPLODED THESE PAST
FEW MONTHS.
WITH THE SHOOTING.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS THAT REALLY LIVED IN THIS
COMMUNITY.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THAT SAME HOUSE.
AND TO HEAR THE SENIORS A SAYING HOW THEY HAVE TO FALL ON
THE GROUND OR THEY ARE CALLING ME -- I AM AT WORK.
I WORK UP AT THE SCHOOL ON CHELSEA AND 34th.
THERE ARE NO OFFICERS OUT THERE.
AND WE HAVE OUR PRE-K KIDS FROM AGES THREE TO AGE EIGHT
THERE.
WE HAVE TO SOMETIMES COME OFF THE PLAY AREA.
IT IS JUST LIKE A WAR ZONE THERE.
WE REALLY NEED SOME SUPPORT.
I HAVE EVEN SPOKEN TO THE MAYOR.
I LAST -- ON HALLOWEEN NIGHT CALLED AND INTERRUPTED OUR
STATE REPRESENTATIVE'S SLEEP.
AND I THANK HER FOR TAKING MY CALL.
AND WE DISCUSSED SOMETHING ABOUT TRYING TO PURCHASE THAT
STORE, EITHER GET IT CLOSED DOWN AND PUT SOME AFFORDABLE
HOUSING THERE, YOU KNOW.
AND IT IS JUST RIDICULOUS.
NOBODY IS THERE FOR OUR SAFETY.
I WORK AT THAT SCHOOL.
AND I CAN STAND OUT THERE AND WATCH THE TRAFFIC AND SEE HOW
MANY TIMES TPD IS SEEN IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND WHERE THE SHOOTING JUST HAPPENED, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM.
WE ARE DOCUMENTED.
AND I TALKED TO GUDES AS WELL.
SO WE REALLY NEED YOUR SUPPORT.
09:56:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO
ADDRESS THE PUBLIC, BUT I SEE ASSISTANT CHIEF JOHNSON,
DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON AND THE MAJOR BACK THERE.
I WANT TO SAY THIS.
SEVERAL TIMES IN CRA TALKED OF CAMERAS.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK ABOUT THE CAMERAS.
I DON'T CARE OF PEOPLE THIS AND THAT.
THEY WANT CAMERAS IN THE AREAS.
THE CRA HAS DOLLARS AND CENTS.
WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT DONE.
I AM GLAD -- THE RECENT INCIDENT ON SLIGH AVENUE WITH ONE OF
THE SCHOOLS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE DAY CARES.
I BELIEVE THAT IS WORKING BECAUSE THE CHIEF TOLD ME THEY
IMPLEMENTED THAT.
THAT IS GOOD THAT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ALERT THE DAY
CARE OF THESE ISSUES AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
AND THEY SHOULD.
I AM GLAD THAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
ALSO I TALKED ABOUT WITH THE CRA AND REFERENCE OF CHELSEA
STREET TO LOOK INTO BUYING THOSE PROPERTIES.
WE HAVE DOLLAR AND CENTS IN OUR CRA.
WE NEED TO START PURCHASING PROPERTY LIKE I SAID BEFORE.
I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT OUTSOURCE TO GET
PEOPLE TO DO THESE THINGS.
THERE IS A COMMUNITY WHO IS STRESSING A NEED AND THEY ARE
TIRED.
I DON'T WANT TO MARY ABOUT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT BLACK PEOPLE
IN JAIL.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR.
THE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE TIRED NOW.
THEY WANT TO BE SAFE.
THEY WANT POLICE OVER THERE REGARDLESS.
SO I AM HOPING THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS -- NOT
TODAY, BUT ADDRESS TO THE COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE OF SOME
STRATEGIES WE CAN DO OVER THERE WITH EXTRA PATROL, EXTRA
CAMERAS, BUT THE COMMUNITY OVER THERE IS ASKING FOR CAMERAS.
MY THING IS WE HAVE DOLLARS AND CENTS.
LET'S MAKE THAT APPROACH AND DO WHAT WE DO AS A DETERRENT.
HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS HERE.
I WILL SHOW A VIDEO THAT OTHER PLACES ARE DOING THINGS.
THEY WILL QUEUE THAT UP AND OTHER STRATEGIES THAT OTHER
PLACES ARE DOING.
WE ARE FAR BEHIND WITH OTHER CITIES OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
MISS TRAVIS IS HERE.
I KNOW SHE IS WORKING HARD AND I TONIGHT WANT TO PUT EXTRA
WORK ON HER, BUT THINGS THAT MY FRIENDS HAVE SENT ME FROM
OTHER PLACES THAT THEY ARE DOING.
I AM GOING TO PRESENT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
I WANT TO YOU LOOK INTO THE ISSUES, GET BACK WITH THIS
COUNCIL.
SHE HAS BEEN CALLING FOR YEARS NOW AND YOU KNOW HER.
TALKING ABOUT HER FAMILY -- I DON'T CARE ABOUT -- HER FAMILY
DO SOMETHING WRONG, SHE WILL TELL IT.
SHE DON'T CARE WHAT THE FAMILY DO.
IF THEY ARE WRONG, SHE WILL TELL IT.
SHE DESERVING TO BE SAFE AND SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:59:19AM >> I SURE WILL.
JUST IN SIGHT OF THE STORE THAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT.
WE TRIED TO DO AN ABATEMENT ON THE STORE.
THE STORE, A SMALL PLOT OF LAND.
WHEN THINGS OCCUR, THEY MAY NOT OCCUR ON THE ACTUAL SITE OF
THE STORE.
WHEN KNOWS GO THERE AND HANG AND THEN STUFF GOES ON, IT
ACTUALLY HAPPENS OFF OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT IS KIND OF BEEN A STICKING POINT ON TRYING TO GET
THAT STORE THROUGH THE ABATEMENT PROCESS.
09:59:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE TRIED.
I KNOW ABOUT THAT.
2021 -- 2020 WE TALKED ABOUT -- THE 15th STREET STORE.
SOME OF THE STORES THAT I ASKED LOOKING AT CLOSING THEM DOWN
OR BUYING THEM.
A STRATEGY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOUSING TO SEE TO
GET THOSE PLACES IN THE BAD PLACES AND THE CITY TAKES
CONTROL OF THEM.
10:00:06AM >> OKAY.
10:00:07AM >> GOOD MORNING, JAMES MICHAEL SHAW, JR. AS HAS BEEN
EXPOSED, I RUN THE CRB FROM MY SECRET UNDERGROUND LAIR.
I HAVE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS BY OFFICER BRANDON
BARKLEY.
HE ACCUSED ME OF BEING MOTIVATED OF HATRED TO POLICE
OFFICERS.
ON THE ELMO -- IT IS NOT ON THE SCREEN.
RIGHT FOR MY DONATION TO OFFICER MATTISON'S MEMORIAL FUND.
I WAS STRUCK BY THIS.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE MAN, BUT I WAS STRUCK BY HIS ACT OF
SELF-SACRIFICE.
AND TO HEAR SOME MEMBER OF TPD STAND HERE AND TELL ME THAT I
HATE -- THAT I HATE POLICE OFFICERS IS UNCALLED FOR.
HE ALSO TOLD YOU THAT I AM QUOTE, UNQUOTE, MET EXTENSIVELY
AND HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH CRB MEMBER CARLOS VALDES.
THAT WAS DISHONEST.
I SPOKE WITH THE MAN FOR 30 MINUTES IN JULY AND HAVEN'T
SPOKEN TO HIM SINCE.
WITH DISHONESTY.
I HAVE TO PUT OFFICER BRANDON BARKLEY ON A LIST -- IF I AM
ON A JURY AND THE ONLY EVIDENCE AGAINST A DEFENDANT IS HIM
ON THE STAND SAYING HE SAW THE DEFENDANT COMMIT THE CRIME, I
HAVE TO ACQUIT THAT DEFENDANT BECAUSE I KNOW HE WILL BE
DISHONEST AND SAY SOMETHING THAT ISN'T TRUE.
A PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEM, ISN'T IT.
WHERE YOU HAVE -- WHERE JURIES NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRUST THE
WORDS OF TPD OFFICERS.
THAT IS WHY YOU NEED THE ABILITY TO CHECK THEIR WORK.
YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE CRB TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS
TO NONOFFICERS TO SEE IF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS TRUE AND
COMFORTS WITH THE EVIDENCE.
I THINK IT IS WEIRD THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
WAS DOING PERSONAL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON ME PERSONALLY, A
PRIVATE SYSTEMED A VOTE SKATING FOR CHANGE.
WHAT ELSE WAS HE GOING TO DO, SAY THE CRB IS BETTER OFF WITH
A CONFLICTED LAWYER OR THE CRB WILL MAKE BETTER DECISION
WITH EVIDENCE AND THOSE THINGS WOULDN'T STAND AND THEY HAD
TO CREATE THIS VILLAIN NARRATIVE.
NOT TOO LATE FOR YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I WANTED TO RESPOND WITH SOME OF THE THIS I THINK SO THAT
JUDGE SALCINES SAID.
ONE THING THAT WOULDN'T GO OVER YOUR HEAD, HE SAID YOU HAVE
THE HOME RULE POWER TO GIVE THE BOARD HE SUBPOENA AUTHORITY
WITHOUT AMENDING THE CHARTER.
YOU DID IT WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATE AND THE CODE
ENFORCEMENT BOARD.
TWO YEARS AGO, GINA GRIMES TOLD YOU DID NOT HAVE THE POWER.
JUDGE SALCINES HIMSELF TOLD YOU DO HAVE IT.
I EN SCOURGE YOU TO GO BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ASK IF
THAT IS TRUE.
YOU CAN CRAFT SUBPOENA POWERS SO IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH
THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT.
BROWARD COUNTY DID IT IN ITS ORDINANCE.
COORDINATE WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BUT ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS.
THEMSELVES IS A SUBJECT OF PROSECUTION AND THERE WILL BE A
PROBLEM WITH IMMUNITY IF YOU SUBPOENA THEM.
IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND I SURE
DO HOPE THAT YOU WILL.
THANK YOU.
10:03:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:03:29AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I GUESS -- WHO I AM POSITIONED TO GIVE 24 TO.
DEAR CITY COUNCILMEN, MY NAME IS MARY BROWNING.
I HAVE SHARED MY CHALLENGES RELATED TO THE CONTRACT OF MY
HOME --
10:03:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE CAN'T HEAR TOO WELL.
RAISE UP --
10:03:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TALK A LITTLE LOUDER.
10:03:59AM >> YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UP.
10:04:00AM >> MY NAME IS MARY BROWNING.
I HAVE SHARED MY CHALLENGES RELATED TO THE CONTRACT OF MY
HOME.
SO I WON'T GO OVER THAT BECAUSE TIME IS LIMITED.
I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I ASK YOU TO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO
ANOTHER SENIOR IN TAMPA ALL THE EAST TAMPA BUSINESS CIVIC
ASSOCIATION WAS NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THIS CHALLENGE OF
MY HOME, THE CONTRACTOR WORKED ON COUNTY AND CITY PROJECTS
OF EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
I WENT TO DIANE HART FOR HER HELP AS MY STATE REPRESENTATIVE
AND AS PART OF THE EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC
ASSOCIATION, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT WANT TO GET IN THE
MIDDLE OF IT.
AND SHE DIDN'T HELP.
THE CITY CANNOT HELP ME, BUT YOU CAN HELP KEEP THIS FROM
HAPPENING TO SENIORS WITH TAX -- WITH CITY TAX DOLLAR FUNDS
TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT CAUSES -- THAT CARES ABOUT THE
PEOPLE AND NOT THE CONTRACTOR.
THANK YOU.
10:05:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:05:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR CITRO AND COUNCILMEMBERS.
I AM FRAN TATE.
AN EAST TAMPA HOMEOWNER.
I LIVED IN EAST TAMPA FOR 17 YEARS.
15 YEARS AGO I ORGANIZED A COMMUNITY CRIME WATCH IN JACKSON
HEIGHTS.
THAT HAS BECOME A FUNCTIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR
THE LAST TEN YEARS.
ALSO I HAVE BEEN REELECTED AS CHAIR OF THE COMMUNITY
ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT PAID POSITIONS.
I WOULD NOT HAVE OBTAINED AND OPINION REELECTED TO THE
POSITIONS WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY KNOWING THAT THEY CAN PUT
THEIR TRUST IN ME AND THAT I WILL SPEAK UP FOR THEM IN ALL
HONESTY AND SINCERITY.
FINALLY, I AM A 30-YEAR EMPLOYEE AND I AM SO PROUD OF THE
MOFFITT CANCER CENTER.
I CONTINUOUSLY ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF PATIENTS AND THEIR
FAMILIES.
I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
AND TO SPEAK UP FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE AND DILIGENTLY
SERVE IN.
YOU KNOW, IT DEEPLY DISTURBS ME AND SADDENS ME TO HEAR
STORIES THAT I HEAR HERE TODAY OF COMMUNITY SENIORS.
COMMUNITY SENIORS WHO HAVE PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES
AND NOW NEED SIMPLE HOME REPAIRS.
I CAN TRULY SAY TO ALL OF YOU THEIR STORIES ARE NOT STRANGE
TO ME.
I HAVE HEARD THEM MYSELF.
I HAVE ANSWERED PHONE CALLS.
I RECEIVED VIDEOS CONCERNING LEAKING ROOFS.
AND I HAVE ADVOCATED ON THEIR BEHALF.
MY COMMUNITY IS FEARFUL OF RETRIBUTION.
THEREFORE, I AM SPEAKING HERE ON THEIR BEHALF TODAY.
I HAVE NO FEAR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
I HAVE TO ADVOCATE, I HAVE TO SERVE, I HAVE TO PROTECT.
AS THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, CAC CHAIR OF EAST
TAMPA CRA, AND COMMUNITY ADVOCATOR, I AM RESPECTFULLY
CREATING THE HOMEOWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB FUNDS BE AWARDED
THROUGH A RFP.
IT IS ONLY FAIR.
A FAIR WAY TO HAVE THIS PROCESS -- TO HAVE THIS PROCESS
HAPPEN.
IF NOT, I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU ALL DON'T AGREE WITH THE
COMMUNITY.
I ASK THAT YOU SEND THE CRA FUNDS BACK TO THE CRA TO BE
INCLUDED IN THE HOMEOWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB FUNDS THAT INTEREST
IN THE CURRENT CRA BUDGET.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE,
I WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR MY COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
10:08:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:08:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, COUNCILMEN, ALISON HEWITT,
4904 32nd STREET.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT -- I VOLUNTEER A LOT OF MY TIME.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL BOARDS THAT YOU HAVE THAT PEOPLE
VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME.
TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY.
ALSO TIME AWAY FROM THEIR BUSINESS WHERE THEY CAN MAKE
MONEY.
BUT THEN THEY COME FORWARD AND MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS,
AGAIN, JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU MAY TAKE THEM.
YOU MAY NOT.
BUT AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT THESE FOLKS ARE IT SHALL FEEL
LIKE THEIR TIME WAS WELL INVESTED.
NOW THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO SAY THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO OR
THREE PEOPLE FROM EAST TAMPA THAT COME UP AND SPEAK.
AND THAT IS PROBABLY TRUE.
AND THERE IS A LOT THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT THE FEAR IN THE
COMMUNITY.
WE HAD A GENTLEMAN JUST SAID THAT OPPOSITION RESEARCH WAS
DONE ON HIM BECAUSE HE SPOKE.
IF HE IS A PROFESSIONAL, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE
HOMEOWNER WHO MAY WORK FOR THE CITY, WHO MAY BE IN FEAR OF
COMING UP HERE TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE,
WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE, BECAUSE THERE IS RETRIBUTION THAT
IS OUT THERE.
IF THEY CAN GO AFTER A SITTING CITY COUNCILMAN, THEY CAN GO
AFTER ME.
THEY CAN GO AFTER EVERYONE HERE.
TAKE IT IN YOUR HEART TO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A FEW OF US
THAT, YES, WE STAND UP HERE, WHO, YOU LIVELIHOODS DO NOT
DEPEND IF SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY COMES AFTER US TO LISTEN
AND TAKE HEART TO WHAT THIS HE DO.
I WILL SAY ALSO THE NONSUBPOENA POWER WAS CONCERNING FOR ME
FOR NOT TAKING OUR RECOMMENDATION.
JUST THE OTHER NIGHT, I WAS TURNING LEFT ON HILLSBOROUGH AND
22nd.
I WAS SIDESWIPED.
I TURNED ON THE HAZARDS.
DIDN'T WANT TO TOP AT HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO TURN.
THE POLICE OFFICER CAME AFTER ME.
HE WAS BEHIND US.
HE SAID, YES, I SAW THE GENTLEMAN HIT YOU.
BUT HE CAME AFTER ME.
HE SAID YOU WERE FLEEING.
I SAID MY HAZARDS WERE ON.
I JUST TURNED THE CORNER.
NOW I AM SHAKEN UP BECAUSE SOMEONE HIT ME.
NOW WHO -- IF THAT POLICE OFFICER HAD ESCALATED HAD NOT BEEN
PEOPLE THERE, WHO WAS GOING TO REVIEW THAT POLICE OFFICER?
SOMEONE ELSE TO WENT TO THE ACADEMY WITH HIM?
SOMEONE ELSE WHO -- BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE GOTTEN BIGGER
BECAUSE WHY COME AFTER ME BECAUSE A FAMU TAG BECAUSE YOU
KNOW I AM AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TINTED WINDOWS?
I DON'T KNOW.
I RESPECT POLICE OFFICERS.
I BELIEVE THAT THEIR JOB IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
BUT I DO FEAR EVERY TIME THE LIGHTS GO ON BEHIND MY CAR.
REGARDLESS -- I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING.
NOT SPEEDING.
NOT DO ANYTHING.
BUT YOU JUST AS DRIVING BLACK IN AMERICA IS DANGEROUS.
SO FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO NOT ALLOW AT LEAST TO HAVE
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN IS A
CHALLENGE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEY CAN NOT COME UP HERE AND SPEAK AND KNOW THAT YOU
WILL PROTECT THEM IF YOU ARE NOT EVEN TAKING THE
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PEOPLE IT WAS HARD FOR THEM TO
PROBABLY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY WERE
BLACK AND BROWN, THEY KNOW IT WILL FOLLOW THEM.
THANK YOU.
10:11:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:11:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:11:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:11:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CHIEF JOHNSON, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT --
THAT MISS ALISON HEWITT HAD A POLICE REPORT FILED AND
WHATEVER.
IT WAS A HIT-AND-RUN.
WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF HIT-AND-RUN.
AND MAKE SURE THAT -- MAKE SURE SHE WAS -- TO MAKE SURE WE
HAVE THE RIGHT THING GOING ON IF YOU WILL DO THAT FOR ME.
THANK YOU.
10:12:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS KEELA McCASKILL.
FOR A WHILE IN EAST TAMPA, THERE HAS BEEN A BIG PUSH
TO JUMP START REVITALIZATION.
AND IT IS SO WANTED.
ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS IN THE AIR ARE SOME OF THE
PROGRAMS RENDERED UNDER THE AUSPICES UNDER THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
MY CONCERN IS THAT WE NEED A MORE EFFECTIVE PROCESS TO
ACCEPT, TO SCORE, TO INSPECT THE SCOPE OF WORK, TO EVALUATE
THESE INVOICES, COMPLAINTS WITH A QUALITY ASSURANCE
COMPONENT.
WE OWE THAT TO THE CITIZENS, PARTICULARLY THE SENIORS, THE
MOST VULNERABLE GROUP IN THIS DISTRICT.
WE OWE THAT TO THEM.
I SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL OF THEM AND THEY ADDRESSED CONCERNS OF
THE CONTRACTORS.
LIKE SOME OF YOU, THEY ARE AFRAID.
IF THEY PUBLICLY SAW A PUBLIC SERVANT GO UNDER ATTACK FOR
NOT NECESSARILY AGREEING AND GOING FORWARD, WHAT DO YOU
THINK WILL HAPPEN TO THEM, THEY SAID.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT PAPERWORK SAYS, THEY BELIEVE THAT
THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE THEIR HOME BECAUSE THEY ACCEPTED
FREE WORK.
THESE ARE SENIORS.
THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES PARTICULARLY FOR
AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
THEY ARE FEARFUL TO COME FORWARD.
I AM COMING ON THEIR BEHALF BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE FEAR.
YOU CAN'T GET BLOOD FROM A TURTLE.
COME AFTER ME.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PAPERWORK, THEY ARE FEARFUL.
WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO COME DOWN AND FIGHT -- OR EVEN GIVE
THEM THE REQUESTED TO FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.
WE HEARD FROM SOME IN THE ROOM TODAY AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE
PAID IN TAXES OVER 30, 40, 50 YEARS.
WE OWE THAT TO THEM.
THEY PAID IN AND ALL THEY ARE DOING IS TRYING TO BENEFIT
FROM THE TAX DOLLARS THEY PAID INTO.
WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS TODAY IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE SEEN SOME EXAMPLES -- AT LEAST I WAS ESSENTIALLY
THOSE EXAMPLES.
DO YOU THINK THOSE COSTS ARE ACCEPTABLE AS TAX PAYING
CITIZENS.
DO YOU THINK THOSE COSTS REPRESENT GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR
DOLLARS AND TAXPAYERS.
I WENT ON RECORD THAT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION AND IT SHOWS
WE ARE BEING IRRESPONSIBLE.
I AM ASKING FOR ANOTHER PROCESS.
NOT IMPROVING ANOTHER RFP OPENS THE FLOODGATE FOR MORE MEDIA
EXPOSURE AND HELPS TO OPEN UP POTENTIAL LITIGATION UNDER THE
AUSPICES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THE WORKS GETS OUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN YOU
SUBMIT AN INVOICE.
IT CAN BE EXORBITANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
NOBODY HAS A PROCESS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
PULL IT OFF THE AGENDA, MAKE IT GO TO THE RDC.
SOMEBODY INTERNAL THAT CAN LOOK AT A HOME 860 SQUARE FEET
AND NO HE IT IS EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR IT TO BE
$36,000.
SOMEBODY SHOULD KNOW A WATER HEATER DOESN'T COST $7800.
THE SAME AMOUNT SHOULDN'T BE ON EVERY SINGLE INVOICE.
THERE IS ISSUE BUT THE CITY OF TAMPA SIGNED OFF, RUBBER
STAMPED THEIR SIGNATURE WITHOUT A PROCESS.
WE NEED THAT IN TAMPA FOR THOSE SENIORS.
TODAY I ASK YOU TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO US TUESDAY, BUT IMPERATIVE YOU LISTEN
TO US TODAY.
THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND WE NEED FOR YOU
TO HELP.
ALL WE ARE ASKING PULL IT AND MAKE IT A MORE EFFECTIVE
PROCESS.
THAT'S IT.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:15:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:15:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:15:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:15:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF THE COUNCIL ALLOWS, THAT WE WAIT UNTIL
YOUR ITEM COMES UP AND A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON WITH THE
HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO RECTIFY SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS AND
TALK ABOUT THEM.
IF YOU WOULD.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:15:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT OF ALL THE
VOICES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE HERE THIS MORNING, NOT GOOD NEWS
THAT IS COMING OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY BUT A BUNCH OF PAIN.
PAIN THAT SOMETIMES IS ALREADY ORCHESTRATED NOT BY THEM, BUT
BY THOSE THAT CONTROL THE DOLLARS.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS PROCESS FOR SO LONG, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE
NOT STUDENTS OF HISTORY, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD TAKE
TIME TO GO BACK AND JUST RESEARCH HOW J. EDGAR HOOVER AND
EVEN OUR DEAR FRIEND BOBBY KENNEDY SAT UP, SPIED ON, CAUSED
CONFUSION WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, BLACK LEADERSHIP,
BLACK ORGANIZATIONS SO WE CAN HAVE JUST WHAT WE ARE SEEING
HERE TODAY.
WHAT IS CONTROLLING ALL OF THIS IS LACK OF HOPE IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
YOU CAN BRING 1,000 CAMERAS, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO STOP
IT.
NEITHER DO WE HEAR ANYBODY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TALKING
OF REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE.
WE DID THE DRUG MARCHES.
SENT PEOPLE TO PRISON.
ENHANCED PENALTIES.
AND WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUES.
WE WATCHED OUR OWN CHILDREN, CHARGES BEING ENHANCED BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY WERE IDENTIFIED AS CRIMINALS OR EITHER
THEY HAD ACTIVE MOTHERS THAT JUST WOULDN'T SHUT UP.
SO WE ARE EXPERIENCING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
SO I WILL SAY OUR NEW ENEMY IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT CAN SOLVE
THESE PROBLEMS WILL COME FROM MR. BENNETT'S OFFICE, FOLLOWED
BY THE MAYOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.
WON'T DO IT.
BECAUSE SHE DON'T HAVE ANY POLITICAL TIES TO THIS COMMUNITY,
THIS BLACK COMMUNITY.
SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY STRUGGLING OVER THE SAME PEANUTS OVER
AND OVER.
IF WE GOT SOME REAL HOUSING PROBLEMS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE HEARD IT.
THE MONEY CONTROLLED BY THE REHAB -- THE DEPARTMENT COMES
THROUGH THE CITY.
THE CITY CONTROLS IT.
THE CITY DETERMINES WHICH HOUSES IT IS GOING TO BE -- THE
CITY WRITES OFF ON IT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO THE NONPROFITS ARE BEING USED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEN YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO BE THE CRA LEADERSHIP THERE, WE
HAD THE SAME COURSE JUMP UP.
STOP IT.
THIS IS A DIVIDED CITY THAT HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING FOR BLACK
PEOPLE BUT ALLOWED CERTAIN BLACK PUPPETS TO BARK IN THE
CITY'S BEHALF.
WE ARE SICK OF IT.
HOPEFULLY COME MARCH OF 2023, EVEN IF WE DON'T WIN, WE PUT
OUT A RESOUNDING VOICE THROUGH OUR VOTE THAT WE ARE NOT
GOING TO BE PUPPETEERS FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION.
BENNETT, DO YOUR JOB.
THANK YOU.
10:18:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:18:51AM >> GREAT SEGUE IN.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
CRB.
ELECTED OFFICIALS -- KEYWORD IS "ELECTED."
YOU HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF
YOUR CONSTITUENCY.
NOT FALL UNDER THE PRESSURE OF A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS OVER
BREAKFAST OR LUNCH.
THIS IS DÉJÀ VU TO THE HOUSING SITUATION THAT WAS BROUGHT
BEFORE YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE WILL TO PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE TO LET THEM
VOTE ON IT.
YOU MADE THE DECISION TO SAY THAT IT WOULDN'T WORK.
YOU MADE THE DECISION TO PUT OBSTACLES IN.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR YOUR
BRAVERY IN VOTING THE RIGHT WAY.
THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR YOU TO MAKE THE DECISION TUESDAY.
THEY WANTED THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THE DECISION.
BUT YOU DIDN'T -- YOU DIDN'T ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.
DISGUST, DISAPPOINTMENT IS COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY JUST
LIKE CONNIE JUST SAID.
WE CAN COME UP HERE EVERY WEEK TO SAY THE SAME THING TO YOU.
AND YOU GIVE US THOSE STONE FACES AND DO NOTHING.
PROMISE US BEHIND THE CLOSED DOORS.
BECAUSE I LOBBIED A LOT OF YOU, RIGHT.
BUT WHEN IT WAS TIME FOR IT TO HAPPEN, YOU COWARDED -- YOU
WERE COWARDS AND YOU COWARDED OUT.
ELECTION TIME IS COMING.
MY ORGANIZATION -- THAT IS WHY WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE.
BECAUSE WE ARE OUT GETTING PEOPLE ELECTED.
WE ARE HAVING A BIG MARCH SATURDAY.
COME OUT.
COME OUT AND SEE THE MARCH.
AND SEE WHAT YOU WILL BE UP AGAINST IN MARCH.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR YOU NOT TO DO THE WILL OF
THE PEOPLE.
AND YOU BE PRESSURED UNDER LOBBYING THE LAST CONVERSATION
THAT YOU HAVE THAT THREATENING YOU FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T KNOW.
BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT IF YOU CAN'T FIND THE MOTIVATION TO DO YOUR JOB AND THAT
IS LOOK OUT FOR YOUR CONSTITUENCIES, THAT ONE LOBBYER CAN'T
VOTE YOU IN.
IT IS A MULTITUDE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT VOTES YOU IN.
[BELL RINGING]
THAT'S IT.
10:21:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:21:34AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
ALWAYS HAVE TO SAY UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE, AS AFRICAN PEOPLE, SHOULD BE THINKING OF OUR FREEDOM.
NEVER BE ASHAMED TO STEP FORWARD TO LIVE, DIE, STRUGGLE, DO
WHATSOEVER FOR OUR FREEDOM.
I AM SO PROUD TO SEE ALL THESE AFRICAN WOMEN HERE TODAY.
I AM SO PROUD TO SEE THAT.
TO SEE YOU HAVE BEAT DOWN THE AFRICAN MEN, IN PRISON, SCARED
TO COME OUT.
WHITE FOLK SCARED TO GET OUT.
THAT GUESS STAFF POE OPERATION GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
THIS MAN RIGHT HERE, CHIEF BENNETT, MR. BENNETT, WHATEVER
THEY CALL HIM.
HE PULLED SOMETHING THAT WAS SO OFFENSIVE AND SO NASTY AND
SO THREATENING RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN HE TOOK A
PICTURE AND SHOWED OF ORLANDO GUDES AND THE MAYOR BEFORE A
VOTE.
WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE, A THREAT?
SUPPOSED TO BE INTIMIDATION?
SUPPOSED TO SHOW CAPITULATION.
IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOK WHAT HE WAS THEN AND LOOK AT HIM
NOW AND HOW HE VOTE TO SHOW SOME DISHONESTY.
THE COMMERCIAL AGAINST ANA PALUNA ,AND THE MAN SAYS I WAS IN
THE MILITARY.
I DID THIS.
I DID THAT.
AND RERUNNING A COMMERCIAL AND IT IS SAYING GAY, GAY, GAY,
GAY, GAY.
THAT'S HATEFUL.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY AND WHAT YOU
HAVE BEEN DOING TO THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY IS HATEFUL.
HEY, MAN, I HAVE BEEN AROUND 60 YEARS.
65 YEARS, GOING ON 70 YEARS.
ALL KIND OF CRAZINESS AND ALL KIND OF DUMB HOUSING PROGRAMS.
LOTTERY.
STAND IN LINE.
ALL THE WAY BACK TO MAYORS THAT PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW.
MAYOR POE, GRECO, SANDY FREEMAN.
WAY BACK.
THE GUY THAT WENT UP FOR GOVERNOR.
HATEFUL WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING TO AFRICAN PEOPLE.
IT NEEDS TO STOP.
ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE NEED CAMERAS, WE
NEED THIS, WE NEED TO BUY THIS BUSINESS AND DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHITE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS, BUT YOU
HAVE TO KNOW AT THE TOP OF THE LEVEL IS -- THE TOP OF THE
LINE IS, THIS CITY COUNCIL OR NO OTHER CITY COUNCIL, THEY
DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
THEY WANT THE CITY.
THEY WANT THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO GO UNDER.
THEY WANT THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO DEVOLVE SO THEY CAN MOVE IN
WITH GENTRIFICATION.
THAT IS AN OFFICIAL PROGRAM.
AN OFFICIAL PROGRAM SO BLACK PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE WEEK
AFTER WEEK, YEAR AFTER YEAR, DECADE AFTER DECADE BEGGING, IT
IS DOING NO GOOD.
THEY MADE A BIG ISSUE OF GIVING SOMEBODY -- GETTING AN
ATTORNEY AND AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY ON A BOARD.
HEY, THIS IS AMERICA.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE NO BIG DEAL.
NONWHATSOEVER.
BUT WHAT YOU ALL GUYS ARE DOING, ITS -- IT IS SO HATEFUL.
SO ANTI-BLACK.
UNTIL WE AFRICAN PEOPLE CAN HAVE A UNITED VOICE AND SAY WE
WANT REPARATIONS, NOT ONLY FROM BUSINESSES AND THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT, BUT FROM THIS CITY
GOVERNMENT.
WHEN WE HAVE THAT UNITED VOICE, THAT IS WHERE IT IS GOING TO
BE AT.
10:24:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MR. SHELBY.
10:24:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I WANT TO REMIND THE CHAIR AND COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC, PLEASE, RULE 5-F, WHICH STATES IN PART, SPEAKERS
SHOULD REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY
CITY OFFICIAL, CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL
COUNCILMEMBERS.
JUST A REMINDER OF THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL, PLEASE.
AND THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
10:25:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS ONLINE.
JUST TWO.
WHO ARE THEY?
MR. RANDOLPH, ARE YOU THERE?
10:25:38AM >> YES.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
AND I AM WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
CORPORATION.
I WANT TO START OFF FIRST BY THANKING THE NATION FOR
ATTENDING OUR MOST RECENT MEETING ON REFUSING STREET
VIOLENCE AND NATIONAL APPROACH.
THOSE AREAS INCLUDE CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, PHILLY, NEW
JERSEY, SOUTH CAROLINA, VIRGINIA PARK, D.C., BALTIMORE, AND
PHILLY.
SOME OF THE MOST VIOLENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE NATION CAME TO
THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
I ESPECIALLY WANTED TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CITY
COUNCIL FROM ST. PETE FOR ATTENDING THAT PARTICULAR MEETING
TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND THE NATION.
THE MEETING WAS DEDICATED TO THOSE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES
IN THE STREETS AND THEIR FAMILIES, THOSE WHO LIVE IN FEAR,
AND MORE IMPORTANT, FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A
SOLUTION.
AMONG THOSE THAT ATTEND WAS THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE
HOUSING AUTHORITY, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, THE HEALTH
DEPARTMENT.
YES, BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
DEPARTMENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE.
AND OTHER AGENCIES THAT ATTENDED.
WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT IS THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE THE
STREETS TO SAVE THE STREETS.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR ATTENDING AND I APOLOGIZE THAT
WE HAD 66 THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO ATTEND.
30 DID ATTEND.
THE REST WERE NOT ABLE TO GET IN BECAUSE OF ZOOM.
WE ARE GOING TO DO A FOLLOW-UP MEETING BECAUSE WE DID GET A
CONCERN FROM RESIDENTS THAT WANT US TO DO AN EVENING
MEETING.
WHAT WE DO KNOW, THERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO DEAL WITH THE
MADNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE SHOW THAT HAVE PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY AS TO
WHAT WE CAN TO DO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THIS CRAZY THING IN
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY.
TAKING BACK THE STREETS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:27:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NEXT WE WILL HAVE MISS WAYMOUTH.
10:27:50AM >>CLERK:
MISS TINA WAYMAN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
MISS WAYMAN, YOU ARE UNMUTED ON THE WEBINAR.
SO YOU MAY HAVE YOUR PERSONAL DEVICE MUTED.
10:28:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:28:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
I AM VERY DISTURBED BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY STAFF HAS DONE
OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THIS
MORNING WE HEARD THAT POTENTIALLY A STAFF PERSON DID
OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY TO ENACT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL INVESTIGATIVE PARTSER
INS IN THE CHARTER IF ANY CITY STAFF ON CITY TIME OR DEVICES
WERE INVOLVED IN THE OPPOSITION AGAINST JAMES SHAW AND WHY.
10:29:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE A SECOND?
10:29:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SECOND.
10:29:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
PARDON?
ALL IN FAVOR --
10:29:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY I SPEAK.
10:29:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY DISCUSSION.
10:29:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
SO OPPOSITION RESEARCH MEANING WHAT, SOCIAL MEDIA, TEXT, YOU
KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE FACEBOOK, TWITTER.
I KNOW EVERYBODY IS PRETTY ACTIVE THERE.
10:29:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE POINT IS SOMEONE UNDER THE DIRECTION OF
THE OFFICER OF A CITY OR ON CITY TIME AND CITY DEVICES DID
RESEARCH AGAINST A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PUSH A POLITICAL
AGENDA I DON'T KNOW WHAT LAWS THAT MIGHT BREAK, BUT PEOPLE
-- PEOPLE HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY
WANT ON THEIR OWN TIME.
MY QUESTION IS, I HAVE HEARD SO MANY RUMORS OF OPPOSITION
RESEARCH BEING DONE, THAT -- THAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK
INTO THIS.
IF AN OUTSIDE RESEARCHERS FINDS THAT NOBODY IS IT ON CITY
TIME AND CITY DEVICES, THEN FINE.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION FROM THE PUBLIC TO NOT PEOPLE AFRAID.
SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAID THEY ARE AFRAID OF
RETALIATION BY CITY STAFF.
I MEAN THIS IS THE UNITED STATES.
PEOPLE MOVE TO THE UNITED STATES SO THAT THEY WON'T BE IN
FEAR OF RETALIATION BY GOVERNMENT.
AND WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO CLAIMS HE WAS
RETALIATED AGAINST AND OTHERS WHO ARE HINTING THAT OTHER
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RETALIATED AGAINST.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY DID THAT,
THAT IT WAS ON THEIR OWN TIME.
AND NOT ON CITY DEVICES, BUT IF SOMEBODY PAID BY THE CITY OR
DIRECTED BY THE CITY DID RESEARCH ON MR. SHAW, I FIND THAT
REPREHENSIBLE AND AGAINST BASIC AMERICAN VALUES OF
DEMOCRACY.
10:31:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:31:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
CAN WE GET THIS BROUGHT UP MAYBE AT NEXT WEEK'S HEARING SO I
CAN TALK TO STAFF ON THE REP PERCUSSIONS ON THIS?
I -- IF SOMEONE IS USING CITY DEVICES AND CITY TIME FOR
ISSUES LIKE THAT, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY PROBLEMATIC, BUT I AM
JUST WORRIED OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF IT, BUT MAYBE CAN THIS BE BROUGHT
UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
AGAIN, I WANT TO HAVE ALL PROPER DELIBERATION WITH THIS.
10:31:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM FIND IF THE SECONDER WILL GO WITH IT.
MR. VIERA -- COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND
IN CIVIL RIGHTS.
SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU WOULD SUPPORT THIS.
BUT I MADE THE MOTION.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE BRING BACK THIS MOTION FOR A VOTE
AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING.
10:32:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE.
10:32:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NEXT WEEK'S MEETING, MADAM CLERK.
10:32:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE CRA.
10:32:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO IT AT THE EVENING MEETING.
10:32:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PARDON?
10:32:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A
MEETING.
WE CAN PUT IT IN TWO WEEKS IF WE WANT.
10:32:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOVEMBER 17.
10:32:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULDN'T GO ALONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE I -- I
AM NOT QUITE SURE I WILL BE ABLE TO ATTEND ALL OF THE
NOVEMBER 17 MEETING.
I -- I AM FINE WITH JUST -- AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE PUT
SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT IS GOING TO BE
SOLVED RIGHT AWAY.
SO I THINK THE IDEA OF APPROVING THIS MOTION IS REALLY NOT
ALL THAT DIFFICULT AND WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION
AFTERWARDS, BECAUSE THAT IS GENERALLY HOW OUR MOTIONS ARE
MADE.
WE ARE MAKING A MOTION TO GET MORE INFORMATION, OR AT LEAST
THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE.
10:33:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:33:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THIS MORNING I HEARD GUN VIOLENCE.
I WAS AT REAGAN PARK THE OTHER DAY.
COUNCILMAN GUDES AND HURTAK WERE THERE.
I HEARD OF THIS REHAB PROGRAM AND OUR SENIORS.
BUT WE ARE FOCUSED -- THESE ARE REAL SERIOUS PROBLEMS ON TOP
OF HOUSING.
BUT WE ARE FOCUSED SO MUCH ON RETRIBUTION, REVENGE,
VENGEANCE, GETTING EVEN.
ALL WE DO IS FIGHT.
ALL WE DO IS FIGHT.
PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE WITH SERIOUS ISSUES NOT JUST EAST
TAMPA AND THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA.
ALL IT IS CONSTANT THREATS.
CONSTANT SOMETHING OR CONSPIRACY OR WHATEVER.
BUT WE HAVE REAL ISSUES TO SOLVE AND WE WASTE SO MUCH TIME
ON -- ON FIGHTING.
10:33:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:34:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MIRANDA HAD HIS HAND UP.
10:34:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM LISTENING INTENSELY AND ALLEGATIONS
MOVING FORWARD.
BEFORE I GO FURTHER, THEY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND REVIEWED
TO MAKE SURE ALL THE FACTS ARE THERE.
NOT THAT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS NOT FACTUAL, BUT IN LIFE
YOU TELL SOMEBODY ELSE AND BY THE TIME YOU GO THREE DOWN,
CHANGE FROM A BATTLESHIP TO A FULL ATOMIC WAR.
SO IT HAS GOT TO CHANGE AND FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE FACTS ARE.
ALLEGATIONS ABOUT ROOFS.
ALLEGATIONS ABOUT PAYING THEY TIMES THE AMOUNT, $38,500 FOR
A 800-SQUARE-FOOT HOME ROOF IS WAY OUT OF LINE.
$25,000 IS WAY OUT OF LINE.
MAYBE $14,000 IS STILL OUT OF LINE.
1800 SQUARE FOOT ROOF -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY -- BUT THE
ROOF COSTS BY THE SQUARE.
IF THEY DID THE JOB RIGHT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
A HUMP BEFORE, I GO HE IS A HUMP AFTERWARDS.
THE HUMP WASN'T REMOVED AND CHARGED HIM AGAINST -- I NEED
ALL THE FACTS REGARDING NOT ONLY THAT CASE BUT THE
ALLEGATIONS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
AND I WANT TO SEE ALL THE INFORMATION COME IN BEFORE WE
START A FULL-BLOWN INVESTIGATION.
10:35:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:35:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I CAN SEE THE POINT, MR. CARLSON.
AND OTHER AVENUES, MR. CARLSON, BEFORE WE CAN GET TO THAT
LEVEL.
I DO KNOW -- AND I AM CANDID.
OPPOSITION -- THINGS AGAINST ME, MR. MIRANDA.
THEY WENT TO THE UNION AND THEY SAID NO, WE WON'T DO THAT.
THAT IS TRUE.
THAT DOES HAPPEN.
WHAT I WILL SAY IF -- YOU HAVE AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT THAT
-- AND EVEN THOUGH AN OFFICER DOES WORK FOR THE UNION AT THE
TIME, THEY ARE STILL A POLICE OFFICER.
AND THEY STILL ARE HELD TO THOSE STANDARDS AS WELL.
SO IN REFERENCE TO MR. CARLSON'S MOTION IS DONE, IF MR. SHAW
WANTS TO FILE A COMPLAINT OR ASSISTANT CHIEF JOHNSON AND
HEARD IT WHAT THE ALLEGATION -- POTENTIAL ALLEGATION, THEY
CAN WRITE A SERVICE LEVEL COMPLAINT AND HAVE THAT LOOKED AT
AND SENT OVER TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
I THINK THAT IS ONE AVENUE VERSUS THE WHOLE BLOWN -- TO GET
AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY.
BUT ANY OFFICER, NO MATTER IF THEY ARE PART OF A UNION OR
NOT, THEY ARE STILL UNDER THE RULES OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS
REGARDLESS AND CAN BE SENT OVER TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR
INVESTIGATION.
10:36:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH THAT.
10:36:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:36:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL SAY TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
YOU IMPLIED THAT THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF OUR CITIZENS ARE NOT
IMPORTANT.
SURE THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES HERE, BUT THE MOST BASIC RIGHT
FOR AMERICANS IS CIVIL RIGHTS.
IF SOMEONE'S CIVIL RIGHTS WERE BREACHED, I THINK THAT IS AN
INCREDIBLE VIOLATION.
WE HEARD A LOT OF VIOLATIONS -- BUT THE FIRST SPECIFIC
EXAMPLE THAT SOMEONE SAID IT PUBLICLY ON THE RECORD AND
CONCERNS ME.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO YOU KEEP OVER AND OVER AGAIN SAYING
YOU WISH THERE WAS PEACE AND PEOPLE START FIGHTING.
YOU ARE IMPLYING THAT WE OR I ARE CAUSING THAT FIGHTING.
I AM NOT.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO TELL THE ADMINISTRATION TO STOP
FIGHTING WITH US.
ASK THEM TO COME APOLOGIZE TO US.
WHY ARE THEY DOING OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON US.
WHY ARE THEY DOING OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON PEOPLE.
WHY IS THE STAFF AND MAYOR BRINGING IN PEOPLE TO SPEAK IN
FAVOR OF THE -- THE RENTING WHILE BLACK PROGRAM.
DIRTY POLITICS.
AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A STRAIGHT-ON CONVERSATION AND
DISCUSS AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH SHOULD -- THE SEPARATION OF
POWERS.
THIS DISPLAY OF POWER.
10:37:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CAN WE PLEASE MOVE
FORWARD.
10:37:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM SORRY, MR. CARLSON -- MR. CHAIRMAN,
ARE YOU PULLING BACK MR. CARLSON FROM THE FLOOR.
10:37:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
I AM -- NO, I AM NOT.
I AM SAYING WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU STILL WANTING THAT MOTION TO BE
VOTED ON OR PULLING BACK THE MOTION.
10:38:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE VOTED ON, PLEASE.
10:38:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAIT, I AM SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:38:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
10:38:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF COUNCIL WANTS TO VOTE ON IT, THAT'S
FINE.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS OFF THE AGENDA THAT CAME AS.
10:38:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE SOONER WE GET RESOLVED, WE CAN GET TO
THE AGENDA, THE REASON MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE IN THE
AUDIENCE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, PLEASE MAKE IT QUICK AND THEN GO TO
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:38:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN -- CAN WE HAVE THIS VOTED ON AT THE END
OF THE MEETING INSTEAD OF GOING ON -- WOULD THAT AT LEAST --
TO AT LEAST HAVE IT DONE TODAY BUT AT THE END OF THE
MEETING.
10:38:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT A REQUEST FOR THE FORM OF A MOTION.
10:38:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
REQUEST.
10:38:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:38:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ANY ALLEGATION DONE PUBLIC HAPPEN HERE
TODAY.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES.
TALK TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT.
THEY DO THE INVESTIGATION AND BRING BACK A REPORT.
BASED ON THAT REPORT, IF WE ACCEPT IT OR NOT ACCEPT IT, YOU
DO SOMETHING ELSE.
WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
YOU NEED A STARTING POINT.
LET THOSE THAT ARE TRAINED FOR THAT DO THEIR JOB.
AND WITHOUT OTHER HESITATION, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES,
THAT IS AN ALLEGATION BASED ON SOMETHING.
TO CLEAR THE AIR OR TO TAKE THE POLLUTANTS OUT OF THE BAY,
WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS FINE.
AND THOSE POLICE OFFICERS, WHETHER THEY ARE IN OR OUT OF THE
UNION, TOOK AN OATH OF OFFICE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES.
THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST STEP TO FIND OUT WHAT THE REALITIES
ARE OF LIFE.
I MYSELF MANY TIMES IN THE PAST HAVE INTERNAL AFFAIRS COME
IN TO SEE ME REGARDING A POLICE OFFICER.
I HAD TO TESTIFY FOR WHAT I KNEW AND WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW.
THAT WENT ON.
THIS IS YEARS AGO.
SO THAT WENT ON, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE CASE, I REALLY
DON'T KNOW.
10:40:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:40:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM SURE RIGHT NOW THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS
CAPTAIN IS WATCHING THIS VIDEO AND STARTED ALREADY, I CAN
ASSURE YOU.
THAT IS PRETTY MUCH HOW IT WORKS.
I AM SURE SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMAND LEVEL WILL BE LOOKING
INTO THIS RIGHT AWAY, MR. CARLSON.
THAT IS MY PERSPECTIVE.
LET'S SEE WHEN IT COMES BACK.
FROM THERE, YOU MAY TAKE THE NEXT STEP, BUT LET THE INTERNAL
AFFAIRS UNIT WITH THE POLICE OFFICER -- STILL AS A POLICE
OFFICER.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS ALL THE
TIME, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOES WORK.
I HAVE SEEN SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T, BUT NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN,
IT DOES WORK.
THAT WILL BE MY RECOMMENDATION YOU TOO.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:40:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:40:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT I MEAN LET'S STOP FIGHTING.
ALL-INCLUSIVE, HERE, THERE, IN THE PUBLIC, WE ARE NOT
GETTING ANYWHERE.
I AM NOT SINGLING OUT ANYBODY OR A SINGLE BODY.
ENOUGH.
THANK YOU.
10:41:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I CLARIFY THE MOTION REAL QUICK.
TO LOOK AT STAFF NOT THE POLICE.
IN OTHER CASES WE HEARD OF, OTHER STAFF HAS SUPPLIED
INFORMATION -- THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE POLICE.
IT WOULDN'T BE COVERED TO LOOK INTO INTERNAL INVESTIGATION
WOULDN'T COVER IT.
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT POLICE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE
OPPOSITION RESEARCH.
POSSIBLE SOMEONE ELSE WAS.
SO TO LOOK AT ALL STAFF, NOT JUST POLICE.
10:41:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:41:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM THINKING THAT MR. SHAW MADE A
STATEMENT IN REFERENCE TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION.
SO HE IS STILL A PART OF THE CITY.
AND HE IS STILL A PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY I AM LOOKING AT, HE IS STILL A PART OF STAFF,
REGARDLESS.
HE IS WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.
SO I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT I THINK FROM THIS SPACE,
THE ALLEGATION THAT WAS MADE TODAY.
IF YOU ARE SAYING YOU WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER STUFF AND OTHER
THINGS THAT HAPPENED, MAYBE THAT IS A DIFFERENT MOTION.
I THINK WHAT I AM HEARING AND BROUGHT UP WAS ABOUT THE ISSUE
RIGHT HERE WITH MR. SHAW.
10:42:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MADAM CLERK.
10:42:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:42:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE MOTION AND
CERTAINLY THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPON ABLE TO COMPLY WITH
THIS.
AND CERTAINLY WILL TAKE SOME INVESTIGATION ON MY PART TO
FIND OUT.
CERTAINLY IF IT IS AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, BUDGETARY AND THE
LIKE.
THIS SECTION, IN MY EXPERIENCE AS CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY HAS
NEVER BEEN INVOKED.
SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD INVOLVE SOME REPORT TO
COUNCIL AS TO WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
CERTAINLY COUNCIL IS FREE TO EXPRESS ITS DESIRE UNDER THE
PROCESS OF MAKING A MOTION AND WE WILL BE -- I WILL BE ABLE
TO REPORT BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
IF YOU WANT TO HOLD IT, I CAN PERHAPS DO IT DURING LUNCH
TODAY AND HAVE IS THE OPPORTUNITY.
BUT THAT IS YOUR CALL.
IF COUNCIL WANTS TO EXPRESS ITS SENTIMENT NOW, I UNDERSTAND
THAT AS WELL.
10:43:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ONE LAST ROUND OF DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
10:43:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF I REMEMBER THE TEXT -- AND I THINK MR. GUDES SAID IT IN A
VERY NICE WAY, THAT WITH AS A GOOD CITIZEN MAKING AN
ACCUSATION AGAINST A GOOD OFFICER -- OR WHATEVER THE DEAL
WAS.
AND IT IS UP TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO START THAT
INVESTIGATION.
WHERE IT GOES I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THOSE DONE MANY YEARS AGO AND NOT MANY,
BUT THEY ARE FAR IN BETWEEN.
AND WHEN I TELL YOU THEY DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, THEY
DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.
WE HAVE ALREADY THAT STAFF ON HAND.
LET THEM DO THE INVESTIGATION REPORT BACK TO US.
WHAT MORE CAN THEY HAVE.
10:43:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL I KNOW IS -- ARE YOU FINISHED?
ARE YOU FINISHED.
10:44:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO REPEAT AGAIN --
10:44:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU ARE FINISHED, PLEASE, YOU ARE
RECOGNIZED.
10:44:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE POLICE, AND STAFF
AND FINDING OUT IF EVERYBODY ON STAFF DID THAT.
TO MAKE SURE THAT -- AFFECTING SOMEBODY'S CIVIL RIGHTS IS
THE MOST BASIC AMERICAN RIGHT.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- BY THE WAY THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
UNDER THE SECOND CIVIL RIGHTS INVESTIGATION OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN SEVEN YEARS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO PROTECT CIVIL RIGHTS.
IF THIS IS NOT THE PROCESS AND THIS FAILS, WHICH IT SOUNDS
LIKE IT WILL, I HOPE SOMEONE ELSE WILL PROVIDE SOMETHING
ELSE.
WE TRIED THE OTHER DAY TO PROTECT CIVIL RIGHTS AND FAILED.
I HOPE WE WILL FIND SOME WAY TO DO THIS.
10:44:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMEMBERS, THE LAST ROUND OF
DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:44:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, I THINK IT IS PROPER TO VOTE ON THIS AT
THE ENDS OF THE MEETING.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY ON CIVIL SERVICE ISSUES,
ETC. AND THE SCOPE.
THAT IS MY ONLY REQUEST.
WHATEVER.
10:44:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:45:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF YOU GIVE DEFERENCE AND LET MR. SHELBY
RESEARCH THE CHARTER AND MAYBE LUNCHTIME, HE CAN COME BACK
AT THE END AND DISCUSS IT THEN.
I AGREE ARE MR. VIERA ON THIS ONE.
LET MR. SHELBY TELL US WHAT THE FACTS ARE, WHAT WE CAN DO
AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
WE LOOK AT THAT AND TAKE A VOTE.
10:45:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL WITHDRAW MY MEETING AND PRESENT AT
THE END OF THE MEETING.
10:45:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE MOVING ON TO STAFF REPORTS.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THIS I THINK SO THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED
OF THIS COUNCIL.
WE HAVE A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM WE WE WERE GOING TO TAKE
FIRST.
WE ALSO HAVE A -- ANOTHER ITEM, NUMBER 35 THAT WE WERE GOING
TO BE ASKED TO BE TAKEN DURING STAFF REPORTS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FROM CHIEF TRIPP TO HEAR 3 UP AT
THE BEGINNING AND AGENDA ITEMS 8, 9 AND 10, BECAUSE SHE ALSO
HAS TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THIS TIME, IF I HEAR NO
OBJECTIONS, TAKE THE WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM FIRST SO THAT OUR
STATE REPRESENTATIVE CAN GO ABOUT HER DUTIES.
AND THEN GO ON TO CHIEF TRIPP.
10:46:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CHAIR, IF I MAY.
10:46:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE.
WE WILL TAKE COUNCILMAN GUDES WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM FIRST,
BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT WOULD TAKE SUCH A SHORT TIME.
10:46:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC -- THAT IS --
10:46:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AND WHY I RAN OUTSIDE.
I AGREED TO GIVE SOME AWARD FOR THE FLORIDA STATE FAIR.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FLORIDA STATE FAIR 12 MINUTES AWAY.
TURNS OUT IT IS IN DOVER.
I FOUND OUT -- YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS IN DOVER.
I KNOW, I KNOW.
I WAS TRYING TO CALL TO SEE IF THINGS CAN GET PUSHED.
BUT I PROBABLY SHOULD LEAVE HERE AROUND 11:10 OR SO TO GET
THERE BY NOON.
AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES TO THE PUBLIC.
I WILL TRY TO GET -- WHEN I MADE THAT COMMITMENT FOR THE
NOON, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SHORTER.
MY APOLOGIES.
THAT IS WHY I RAN OUTSIDE.
THANK YOU.
10:47:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:47:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AS YOU KNOW A VACANCY THAT HAS OCCURRED.
MR. JOSEPH JOHNSON ON OUR FINANCE -- FINANCE AND BUDGET
COMMITTEE RESIGNED.
MY DUTY TO APPOINT ANOTHER PERSON OUT OF MY DISTRICT.
ALISON HEWITT IS KNOWN IN FINANCING AND BUDGETING TO BE
APPOINTED TO THE COMMITTEE.
10:47:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED ABOUT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU.
LET'S GO TO -- WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, LET'S GO TO AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:47:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE CAN'T TAKE 8, 9 AND 10, IT'S QUICK?
10:48:11AM >> DO YOU WANT TO DO YOUR STAFF REPORTS OR ME TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA 5 AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID.
10:48:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REPRESENTATIVE HART.
10:48:26AM >> YES, SIR.
MY NAME IS DIANE HART AND I AM REPRESENTING EAST BUSINESS
CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
MY HEART BLEEDS THIS MORNING.
I HAVE BEEN DOING THE JOB SINCE 1999, AND NEVER HAVE WE EVER
HAD THIS TYPE OF ACCUSATIONS AGAINST OUR ORGANIZATION EVER.
WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT COMING TO COUNCIL AND SPEAKING TO YOU
ALL, I LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE COMMUNITY.
NOBODY IS AFRAID TO TALK TO ME.
YOU HEARD THE LADY SAY SHE CALLED MY HOUSE AT 10:30, 11:00
AT NIGHT.
I NEVER TURN OFF MY PHONE.
I ANSWER IT EVERY SINGLE CALL.
NO MATTER WHAT TIME IT IS.
BECAUSE IT IS MY COMMUNITY.
BUT TO BE ACCUSED OF DOING SUB STANDARD WORK.
HAVE A CONTRACTOR SAY HE'S BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DOING THEIR MBE OR THE WMBE AND NOT
ALLOWING HIM TO HAVE HIS RIGHT.
WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR WORKING IN THIS PROGRAM, AND HE
HAD 17 JOBS SINCE 2019, HE WAS SUSPENDED TWICE -- LET'S SAY,
HE WAS PUT ON PROBATION TWICE FOR SUBSTANDARD WORK.
HE WAS SUSPENDED FROM THE PROGRAM TWICE.
THIS LAST TIME WAS DOING WORK WHILE HE WAS SILL WORKING FOR
US.
SO NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT HE TOLD ME HE WILL SUE ME, EAST
TAMPA, CITY COUNCIL.
HOW HOW DO YOU SUE US WHEN WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE ITEM
DOCUMENTED JUST MIKE WE DECIDED ONE DAY WE ARE GOING TO
SUSPEND YOU.
NO, OVER LONG PERIODS OF TIME AFTER MEETING AND MEETING IN
MY OFFICE WITH ME, THE GENERAL -- THE CONTRACTOR ON RECORD
FOR OUR ORGANIZATION.
AND MY STAFF.
AND WE TELL YOU WHAT SUB STANDARD.
WE DON'T WRITE YOU UP.
AND WE JUST LET YOU GO BACK WITH A PROMISE THAT YOU WILL DO
BETTER.
BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT SO MANY TIMES.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE COULD NO LONGER ALLOW HIM TO
WORK WITH EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
THAT WAS NUMBER ONE.
I AM SURE THE CITY WILL SPEAK TO IT.
AND THEY HAVE IT IN GREAT DETAIL.
LET ME SPEAK OF MISS BROWNING.
MISS BROWNING GOT A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR WORK ON HER HOUSE.
A ANOTHER CITIZEN CALLED ME AND SAID CAN YOU PLEASE COME AND
JUST TALK TO THE TWO SIDES AND SEE IF YOU CAN BRING SOME --
SOMETHING SOLVABLE TO THIS ISSUE.
I SAID YES, ONLY BECAUSE I AM BORN AND RAISED IN THE
COMMUNITY, NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE, NOT REPRESENTING EAST
TAMPA, BUT AS A PERSON IN MY COMMUNITY.
SO I MET WITH HER AND THE CONTRACTOR.
UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT I THOUGHT THEY HAD REACHED AN
AGREEMENT BY THE TIME I LEFT THAT HOUSE.
TO FIND OUT LATER AFTER I LEFT, THEIR WHOLE AGREEMENT FELL
APART.
THEY GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT AND EVERYTHING WENT -- LEFT.
BUT I NEED THE CITY TO UNDERSTAND, EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND
CIVIC HAD NO PART IN THE BUILDING OF HER HOUSE.
HE CONTRACTED WITH A CONTRACTOR.
JUST SO HAPPENS THE CONTRACTOR WORKS IN THE PROGRAM.
BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IN ORDER FOR A CONTRACTOR TO BE ON
GOOD FOOTING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY ARE VETTED.
THE CITY INVESTIGATES ANYTHING THAT THEY GET AS A COMPLAINT
ABOUT ABOUT A CONTRACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROGRAM.
MISS BROWNING'S HOUSE HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH A REHAB
PROGRAM.
IT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I WENT TO TALK TO
BOTH SIDES.
THEY HAD NO REAL AGREEMENT, WHICH BAFFLED ME THAT YOU ARE
BUILDING A HOUSE AND YOU DON'T HAVE A REAL AGREEMENT.
BUT I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
SO I COULD NOT DO ANYTHING TO THAT CONTRACTOR ABOUT HER
INVOLVEMENT WITH MISS BROWNING'S HOUSE.
THAT IS A PRIVATE DEAL.
BUT I TAKE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE SAYING FOLKS ARE AFRAID TO TALK
TO YOU, BUT THEY ARE NOT AFRAID TO TALK TO ME BECAUSE WE
HAVE DONE SEVERAL HUNDREDS.
I HAVE SEVERAL LETTERS TO SHOW YOU AFTER EVERY REHAB WE ASK
THE HOMEOWNER ARE YOU SATISFIED.
WAS THE WORK UP TO YOUR STANDARDS.
HOW WERE YOU TREATED BE THE CONTRACTOR.
WE HAVE THOSE LETTERS THAT I AM HAPPY TO BRING IN AND SEND
TO YOU ALL TO SHARE WITH YOU.
IF I HAD TWO COMPLAINTS OUT OF 111 PEOPLE, I WAS TRULY
BLESSED.
MR. GRUBER'S HOUSE WAS WATER QUAGMIRE.
SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND SOMETHING I HAVEN'T RAN INTO BEFORE.
BUT MR. GRUBER IS NOT PAYING FOR THE ADDITIONAL WORK.
I WAS IN TALLAHASSEE.
I TROVE HOME TO MEET WITH HIM AT HIS RESIDENCE ALONG WITH
THE CONTRACTOR AND THE CITY STAFF AND THE CITY INSPECTOR WHO
LOOKED AT THE HOUSE FROM THE SKY, FROM SOMETHING HE HAD LONG
BEFORE AND SAID, THIS WAS THERE ALL ALONG.
BUT WE AGREED TO TAKE OFF THE ROOF AND REDO IT.
BUT WHAT HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T
JUST ABOUT THE SQUARES, THEY HAD TO REDO THE WOOD AND STUFF
ONCE THEY REMOVED IT TO TOO I TO CORRECT IT.
BECAUSE WHOMEVER PUT HIS ROOF ON LEFT SEVERAL LAYERS AND
THAT'S WHERE THE HUMP WAS ON HIS ROOF.
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS OVER AND OVER AND BEEN THROUGH THE
NEWS.
WE HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT IT.
WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD TO REMEDY THIS.
HE SAID THE CONTRACTOR SPIT ON HIS RUG.
HE SAID THAT THEY LEFT HIS DOORS OPEN.
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN
ANYTHING I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW ONE THING ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION.
I DON'T TOLERATE SUBSTANDARD WORK.
FOR ME, THOSE ARE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I TO EVERYTHING I CAN.
AND NOBODY CAN EVER TELL YOU THAT I DON'T SHOW UP.
IF A -- IF ANYBODY CALLS MY OFFICE AND SAYS A CONTRACTOR HAS
DONE ANYTHING.
I PERSONALLY GO TO THAT SITE.
BECAUSE THE ONE THING I AM NOT GOING TO DO IS PUT A LIEN ON
SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND WALK AWAY AND SAYS IT OKAY.
WHAT PEOPLE ARE NOT STANDING HERE AND SAYING IS,
CONTRACTORS, WE BID.
THEY DO THE WORK.
WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR THAT INSPECTS IT.
THE CITY HAS -- YOU KNOW THEY HAVE AN INSPECTION DEPARTMENT
THAT COMES OUT AND INSPECTS IS.
SOMEBODY SAYS HQS.
CITY SENDS AN HQS INSPECTOR.
WE TO NOT GET PAID UNLESS THAT WORK IS COMPLETELY COMPLETE.
AND SIGNED OFF BY EVERYBODY.
I PUT UP MY OWN MONEY -- NOT MINE PERSONALLY, BUT EAST TAMPA
BUSINESS AND CIVIC TO PAY THE CONTRACTOR WHILE I WAIT FOR
THE CITY TO REIMBURSE ME.
THERE IS NO WAY I WILL BE PUTTING MY MONEY OUT ON A SUB
STANDARD JOB.
SO I TAKE ISSUE WITH THIS.
FOR ME, IT'S PERSONAL.
PAUSE I LIVE THIS COMMUNITY.
I HAVE 67 YEARS.
I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING TO ANY OF MY COMMUNITY, SENIOR OR
YOUNG.
AND EVERYBODY IN THE PROGRAM IS NOT A SENIOR.
SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND.
THIS PROGRAM IS NOT JUST SENIORS.
SO WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE TO DO I AM OKAY WITH THAT AND IT
IS ALL ABOUT MY COMMUNITY.
DOES IT HURT?
IT HURTS TO HAVE SOMEBODY DRAG ME THROUGH THE MUD AND SAY WE
ARE DOING SUB STANDARD MUD AND WE DON'T WORK.
WE ARE NORTHWEST PAYING ATTENTION.
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
I LEAVE THIS WITH YOU ALL.
AS LONG EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION IS PART OF
THE CITY'S HOUSING PROGRAM, WE WILL ALWAYS DO TOP-NOTCH
WORK.
IF I HAVE CONTRACTORS IN THIS PROGRAM THAT DON'T LIVE UP TO
IT, WE PUT THEM OUT FIRST.
I SUSPEND THEM.
THEY GET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
WE TAKE THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO BID ON THREE PROPERTIES DOWN
TO ONE.
AND THEN IF YOU DON'T COMPLETE THAT ONE AND GROW AGAIN TO
GET TO YOUR THREE, THEN YOU DON'T GET TO DO WORK WITH US AND
WE PUT PEOPLE -- I DON'T GET TO PUT THEM OUT.
BUT THEY PUT THEM OUT.
BUT I WILL FILE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS TO INDICATE TO THE
CITY THAT THAT PERSON IS NOT LIVING UP TO MY STANDARDS.
I DON'T PICK THE CONTRACTORS.
THEY ARE VETTED BY THE CITY.
AND ONCE THEY ARE VETTED, THEN I AM REQUIRED TO USE THEM I
USE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A COMPLAINT WE ARE TAKING ANYBODY WE
WANT.
PLEASE, YOU ALL, UNDERSTAND, I AM A PROFESSIONAL.
37-YEAR BUSINESS OWNER.
WITH EAST TAMPA SINCE 1999.
NOW I AM A LEGISLATOR.
I TAKE MY JOB VERY SERIOUSLY ON ALL THE ASPECTS.
WE NEVER JUST PICK ANYBODY TO DO WORK.
IT IS BIDED ON.
THE LOWEST BIDDER WITHIN THAT 15% GETS THAT JOB UNLESS I
HAVE KNOW YOU HAVE BIDED TOO HOE AND COMING BACK FOR CHANGE
ORDERS.
I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE YOUR BID.
OUR BIDS ARE OPEN WITH CONTRACTORS SITTING IN THE ROOM, ONCE
THE PUTSY ARE OPEN, WE SEND THEM OVER TO THE CITY AND KNOW
THAT THEY HAVE CHOSEN THE BEST PERSON ACCORDING TO THAT BID.
RUMORS ARE EASY AND PEOPLE SHOULD STAND UP AND TELL THE
TRUTH.
IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, NOBODY CALLED ME IF YOU HAD A
COMPLAINT, NOBODY CALLED ME.
OUR BOOKS ARE ALWAYS OPEN.
WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN.
WE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
AND I TELL YOU A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO STAND HERE AND HAVE
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION KNOWING THAT WE DO THE
BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN
TODAY BUT NO, WE DON'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY.
EVERY SINGLE COMPLAINT WITH A CONCERN TO ME.
AND IF YOU HAVE ONE, THEN YOU BRING IT TO OUR ORGANIZATION.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
I NEED TO KNOW YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT.
YOU CAN'T FIX IT, BUT WE CAN.
SO THANK YOU.
10:58:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:59:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:59:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:59:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ARE HEARD OF SEVERAL ALLEGED THINGS IN
REFERENCE TO THE PROING.
WANT YOU TO TALK OF THE THOSE ISSUE WITH THE HOUSING
PERSONNEL SO WE CAN IT UP AS WE TALK OF THE MINORITY
BUSINESS, SO ON HOW DOES THAT WORK AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE
THE DETAILS SO THE PUBLIC -- WE CAN AIR THIS OUT.
CLEAR THE AIR AND WE CAN MOVE ON.
IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:59:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR OF ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT
OPPORTUNITY.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION GOING ON THIS MORNING A
LOT OF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT.
I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
MR. GRUBER CAME AND SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HIS ROOF,
AND THAT WAS IN THE MEDIA.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT MR. GRUBER SAID THIS MORNING
THAT HE DID NOT GET A RESPONSE.
IN FACT OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SENT HIM A LETTER ON DECEMBER
23, 2021.
AND WE HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM EVEN AFTER THAT.
HE -- THERE WAS SOME BUCKLING IN THE ROOF.
AND HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE WENT BACK AND
FIXED HIS HOUSE.
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS DONE
TO REPLACE HIS ROOF, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IS NOT THE
CASE.
$2500 WAS SPENT ON SIDING.
$10,000 FOR HIS ROOF REPAIR.
$8400 FOR HVAC SYSTEM.
A WATER HEATER WAS $1400.
EXTERNAL WAS $1500.
IT IS FOR MR. GRUBER'S HOUSE.
REPRESENTATIVE HART TALKED OF THE PROCESS IN THE CONTRACTOR
LIST THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE MINORITY CONTRACTORS ON A LIST OF
16.
MR. REEVES RECEIVED THREE PROJECTS SINCE 2019.
AND HE BEAT ME TO IT TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE A LETTER THAT IS
COMING OUT TO COUNCIL.
THEY WILL PROBABLY GET IT TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
BECAUSE A CERTIFIED RECORD FROM MR. REEVES IN THE MAIL
CLAIMING DISCRIMINATION AND HE WAS NOT -- IS NOT ALLOWED ON
THE PROGRAM ANYMORE.
THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIST OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT
MR. REEVES CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
HE HAS DONE WORK WITHOUT PERMITS.
IMPROPER PERMITS.
NOTIFIED ABOUT IT.
WARNED ABOUT IT.
HE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED BEFORE.
AND HE IS BEING SUSPENDED AGAIN.
SO THAT IS MR. REEVES.
AND I WILL E-MAIL THE DETAILED LETTER TO YOU.
REMOVED FROM THE CONTRACTOR'S LIST IN CLEARWATER FOR SIMILAR
ACTION.
11:02:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
REPEAT THAT PLEASE.
11:02:05AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
REMOVED FROM A CONTRACTORS LIST FROM THE
CITY OF CLEARWATER FOR SIMILAR THINGS WE ARE SUSPENDING HIM
FOR FROM OUR PROGRAM.
11:02:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
11:02:16AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK OF RETALIATION AND
RETRIBUTION.
I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IS NOT COMING FROM THE
CITY STAFF OR THE CITY OFFICE.
THE COMMENTS ABOUT RETALIATION AND RETRIBUTION, NOT COMING
FROM MY OFFICE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS COMING FROM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- THAT IS NOT COMING FROM US.
SO THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING LAUNCHED OUT THERE, BEING
PULLED AS IF IT IS PART OF THE CITY PROGRAM.
I WILL NEVER STAND BEFORE YOU AND SAY OUR PROGRAMS ARE
PERFECT.
I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT.
WE ALWAYS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE, STREAMLINE THE
PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR OWNER-OCCUPIED PROGRAMS ARE
AUDITED BY HUD.
AND I THINK -- WE CAN ASK OUR INTERNAL AUDIT DEPARTMENT TO
DO AN AUDIT ON OUR PROGRAMS AS WELL.
WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE.
THE COMMENTS WE HEAR IN WORKING ALONGSIDE OUR NONPROFITS, WE
ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR WAYING TO IMPROVE.
BUT ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR
RESIDENTS AND OUR CITIZENS.
A FEW MONTHS AGO EVERY WEEK I WAS BEFORE YOU TALKING OF
HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND TRYING TO REPAIR HOMES.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS USE AN EXISTING CONTRACT THAT WE HAD SO
WE DID A STOP SERVICE IN THE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM
AND CONTINUE THAT SERVICE WITH OUR NONPROFIT.
WITH A PARTNER NONPROFIT.
PUT OUT AN RFP, TWO THE EAST TAMPA CIVIC ASSOCIATION
AND CDC.
THE CDC WAS USING THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION AS A SUB-RECIPIENT
TO THE GRANT.
WE MOVED FORWARD BECAUSE THEY WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT WE HAD
AND WE HAD AN EXISTING CONTRACT AND WE DID THAT SO AT NO
POINT DID THE PROGRAM STOP AND THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE
THE RESIDENTS OF TAMPA.
THERE ARE OVER 120 PEOPLE ON THAT LIST.
AND SO THE CHOICES BEFORE YOU -- I SPOKE TO MOST OF YOU THIS
WEEKEND.
LAID OUT A CHOICE FOR YOU.
YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST THAT ARE
WAITING FOR ROOF REPAIRS OR RESET AND ISSUE AN RFP AGAIN AND
HOPEFULLY GET MORE RESPONDENTS.
THE PROCESS WE USED WAS A RFP PROCESS.
BUT WE CAN'T HELP IF WE DON'T GET A LOT OF RESPONDENTS.
I AM JUST BEING VERY FRANK WITH YOU.
A CAPACITY ISSUE.
YOU HAVE A -- NOT ONLY A HOUSING CRISIS.
YOU HAVE LABOR SHORTAGES.
THERE ARE A LOT -- SUPPLY SHORTAGES.
A LOT GOING ON THAT CREATES A PERFECT STORM THAT WE ARE IN.
A CAPACITY ISSUE.
OTHER NONPROFITS.
SOME NONPROFITS ARE NOT TAKING ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS BECAUSE
THEY CAN NOT SPEND THE MONEY.
PARTICULARLY IF THEY HAVE CARES FUND.
AND THEY ARE OUTSPENDING AND AT CAPACITY.
THEY ARE MONITORING HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS THEY TAKE
ON IN FEAR OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY IN TIME.
AND SO WE ARE PUTTING OUT AN RFQ TO GET CONTRACTORS.
WE WERE DOING IT DIRECTLY.
WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS WITH
PARTNERS IN NONPROFITS AND GOING DIRECTLY TO THE
CONTRACTORS.
BUT UNTIL THEN, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.
IF WE PUT THE RFP OUT AGAIN.
WOULD WE GET MORE RESPONDENT AS SOON AS PROBABLY.
AND YOU CAN EXPAND THE PROGRAM THAT WAY.
THE CHOICE IS FOR YOU TODAY, COUNCIL.
IT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION, BUT NOT STAFF'S DECISION.
I AM NOT GOING TO STAND FOR THAT DECISION FOR YOU.
YOU CAN EITHER MOVE FORWARD AS YOU REQUESTED US TO, OR PUT
A RFP OUT AGAIN.
11:05:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:06:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PEOPLE ARE HURTING.
AND I AM GOING TO SHOW A VIDEO LATER ON.
PEOPLE ARE HURTING.
YOU TOLD ME THAT CAPACITY.
IF I DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA OR
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT CAN'T DO THE JOB OR TAKE ON THE
JOB, THEN YOU NEED TO PUT THE RFQ OUT OVER THE STATE OR IN
ANOTHER STATE.
I DON'T CARE.
I CARE OF PEOPLE GETTING SERVICE AND GETTING THE JOB DONE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE HERE IN THIS CITY TO GET THE
JOB DONE.
AND YOU JUST TOLD ME THAT EVEN THE CDC IS GIVING MORE WORK
AND MISS HART.
ONLY SO MUCH WORK.
11:06:46AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
EVEN IF SHE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD SHE
COULDN'T CORRECT THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST.
11:06:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I GET CALLS.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND GET OTHER
PEOPLE WHO CAN BE CERTIFIED OR WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS.
I DON'T CARE IF IT IS OUT OF STATE, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS
TO GET THEM HERE TO START WORKING.
11:07:08AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
IF YOU ISSUED THE RFP, MAYBE SITUATIONS
HAVE CHANGED WITH THE NONPROFITS.
MAYBE NEW NONPROFITS OR OTHER NONPROFITS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
PARTICIPATE.
YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.
USUALLY -- I WON'T SAY USUALLY -- BUT IN MY PAST EXPERIENCE
WHEN I TRY TO GET MINORITY PARTICIPATION PARTICULARLY IN
CONSTRUCTION OR TRADES, WE WILL GO TO THE AREAS AND HELP
THEM FILL OUT THE FORMS TO DO THAT.
AND SO IT IS NOT JUST HERE IN TAMPA.
A CAPACITY ISSUE AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORING COUNTIES.
11:07:41AM >> YOU HAVE YOU A BUSINESSES TO ARE WHATEVER IT IS CALL.
DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THE BALL ROLLING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE THE PROGRAM IS TO BE HONEST WITH
YOU.
LET'S GET IT MOVING TO.
IT IS SERVICE.
11:08:03AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
AGAIN CAPACITY.
WHAT I SHARE WITH YOU -- I COME AND SHARE WITH YOU TALKING
OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND THE PROGRAM.
I WILL TAKE THIS TIME, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, A MOMENT OF
PRIVILEGE.
WE SPENT MONTHS TALKING OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, CAME
BEFORE THIS COUNCIL.
WORKED ON MONTHS OF BRINGING YOU RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE IS IT THAT LAST WEEK ONLY TO BE TURNED AWAY AS IF WE WERE
THE FIRST TIME TO BE HERE.
YOU TALK ABOUT CAPACITY, WORKING ON THINGS FOR MONTHS AND
COUNCIL DECIDING NOT TO ACT ON IT IS HARD.
WHEN WE HAVE OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE THAT.
WE SHOULD BE SPENDING OUR TIME ON.
SO I AM COMING OFF VERY FRUSTRATED THIS MORNING, AND I I AM.
WE ARE WORKING HARD TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
IF IT IS THE DIRECTION TO ISSUE ANOTHER RFP.
WE CAN BE CREATIVE AND TRY TO GET OTHER NONPROFITS.
WE CAN REACH OUT TO CONTRACTORS BEYOND CITY LIMITS TO DO
THAT.
WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
WE ARE FOLLOWING DO THE WORK.
DON'T MAKE ME DO THE WORK AND THEN COUNCIL DECIDES NOT TO
ACT ON IT.
11:09:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
INCLUDES THAT WHEN -- MAYBE YOU ONLY NEED
PAINTING DONE OR A ROOF OR SOME OF THE STUFF.
11:09:08AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
TO YOUR PAINT POINT.
THERE ARE TRADES -- SOMEBODY MAY NEED HVAC.
WE ARE TRYING TO PUT OUT A LIST WHERE WE -- WHERE YOU CAN
TRIAGE AND THEN YOU CAN DIRECTLY CONTRACT WITH THOSE PEOPLE
WHO MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED A ROOF AND TRY TO LAYER
FUNDING.
MISS TATE WAS HERE EARLIER AND I KNOW EAST TAMPA CRA ASKING
FOR OWNER-OCCUPIED FOR A LONG TIME.
PUT OUT THIRD-PARTY AND THAT DID NOT COME BACK FLAVORABLE.
I AM CONFIDENT IF WE -- IF WE STREAM LINE THE PROCESS WITH
OUR HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND
PROVIDED THE RIGHT RESOURCES WHICH I AM COMING TO SPEAK TO
YOU ABOUT WITH CRA BECAUSE YOU ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL
FUNDING.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE THESE PROGRAMS FASTER.
I CAN'T MOVE A NAVY SHIP IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION OVERNIGHT.
WE HAVE TO SLOWLY AND METHODICALLY DO THAT.
EVERY TIME WE PULL THE RUG AND CHANGE GEARS, WE ARE LOSING
GROUND.
11:10:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I BELIEVE IN YOU.
IF YOU SAY THAT IS WHAT YOU NEEDED.
IF YOU HAVE A TOOL THAT WILL GET US THERE, BY -- I WILL SAY
COUNCIL, THIS IS THE TOOL THAT WILL WILL GET US THERE NOW.
AGAIN, YOU HAVE BEEN TRUSTWORTHY TO THIS COUNCIL.
EVERY TIME YOU COME, YOU HAVE MOVED THE NEEDLE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAY YOU NEED, LET'S MOVE THE NEEDLE.
11:10:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:10:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A
QUESTION.
11:10:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I DON'T.
SO THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR OF THIS AGREEMENT, CORRECT?
11:10:47AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
SO WE PUT OUT A RFP EARLIER THIS YEAR AND
THE ONLY TWO RESPONDENTS -- WE REMOVED THAT.
INSTEAD -- WE ALREADY HAD A CONTRACT.
37 AND WE ARE ADDING TO IT SINCE THAT IS THE ONLY RESPONDENT
ANYWAY.
11:11:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOT IT.
BUT IS THERE ANYTHING PRECLUDING US FROM GOING FORWARD AND
ALSO OPENING UP FOR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO WORK UNDER THE -- I
AM SORRY, THE EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION?
DO WE --
11:11:27AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
11:11:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE HAVE AN OPEN RFP -- EVERY TWO MONTHS
--
11:11:50AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WE CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT WILL KILL ME.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
YOU ARE SAYING IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT TODAY,
WHAT PRECLUDES US OF OPENING A RFP -- TALKING TO KEYON AND
ABBYE, WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THAT.
WE CAN ISSUE AN RFP TO BRING IN MORE PROVIDERS IF YOU DECIDE
TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY.
LET ME SAY THIS THAT ISSUING ANOTHER RFP TO GET ADDITIONAL
NONPROFITS AND CONTRACTORS.
CONTRACTORS NEED TO REGISTER WITH US AND NEED TO GET ON THE
LIST.
BUT TO ALLOW MORE NONPROFITS TO COME IN, IT IS NOT SOMETHING
HE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU IN 30 DAYS.
THAT IS 90 DAYS.
11:12:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM TALKING OF CONTRACTORS AGAIN, THIS IS A
THREE-YEAR CONTRACT.
TALK OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF CONTRACTS?
YES.
I BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT WITH
NONPROFITS AND THINGS AT A LATER DATE.
BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO IS GET PEOPLE -- I AGREE WITH
COUNCILMAN GUDES 100%.
WE JUST NEED TO GET PEOPLE ON THE GROUND.
GET HOUSES -- GET THINGS STARTED AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO
ENCOURAGE MORE CONTRACTORS TO JOIN SO WE ARE NOT FOCUSED ON
ONE CONTRACTOR THAT PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH --
11:13:16AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
WE HAVE A LIST OF 16 TO 20 CONTRACTORS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NONPROFIT THAT WORKS WITH HOUSING AND
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
YOU GET THE APPLICATION, IT GOES TO THE NONPROFIT.
WE NEED MORE CONTRACTORS, YES.
BUT YOU NEED OTHER NONPROFITS TO HELP FACILITATE THAT WORK.
11:13:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO YOU NEED BOTH.
11:13:37AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YES, YOU NEED BOTH.
THE CONTRACTORS ON THE LIST AS MISS HART -- REPRESENTATIVE
HART TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
SHE PUTS IT OUT TO BID.
I DIDN'T TOUCH ON THAT EARLIER.
BUT YOU PUT THE PROJECT OUT TO BID.
SCOPE IS WRITTEN UP.
YOU PUT THE PROJECT UP TO BID.
INVITE ALL THE CONTRACTORS ON THE CITY'S LIST OF APPROVED
CONTRACTORS TO BID ON THE PROJECT.
WE TAKE THE LOWEST MOST RESPONSIVE BID.
I SAY "MOST RESPONSIVE BID" YOU TAKE THE LOWEST BID AND
REPRESENTATIVE HART, MR. REEVES TO BID LOW TO GET THE
CONTRACT AND DOING CHANGE ORDERS TO PUSH THE CONTRACT OUT.
LOWEST MOSS RESPONSIVE BID.
THE NONPROFIT THAT GETS THE WORK AND REPRESENTATIVE HART AND
THE EAST BUSINESS ASSOCIATION CAN ONLY DO SO MANY HOUSES AT
A TIME EVEN WITH CONTRACTORS.
YOU NEED ADDITIONAL NONPROFITS.
WE NEED OTHER PARTNERS IN THIS.
NOT JUST THE CONTRACTORS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO MORE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE NONPROFIT.
11:14:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE DO BOTH AT THE SAME
TIME?
I AM SEEING ABBYE NOD.
11:14:49AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I AM AFRAID.
I AM NOT LOOKING.
SO IT IS JUST -- JUST A MATTER OF -- LIKE WE WERE SAYING
EARLIER.
MOVE FORWARD.
WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS ROLLING OVER FUNDS.
WE HAVE NEW FUNDS.
SO THIS CONTRACT THAT IS BEFORE YOU IS WITH FUNDS THAT ARE
BEING ROLLED OVER, CORRECT?
YEAH, SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE NEW FUNDS.
IF YOU PUT OUT ANOTHER RFP.
AGAIN, I TOO TOY MANAGE YOUR EXPECTATION THAT YOU DON'T
THINK I AM COMING IN NEXT WEEK WITH THE LIST.
YOU PUT AN RFP FOR 30 DAYS.
YOU HAVE RESPOND DENSE.
AND WORK WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO GET THE CONTRACTS AND
COME BEFORE YOU, 90 DAYS OR NOT -- NO -- COMING FOR
SOMETHING ELSE.
I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO -- JUST SO THAT I IMAGINE THAT.
11:15:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOES THAT INCLUDE OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS?
11:15:40AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WHICH PART?
11:15:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NOT WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AS LONG AS YOU NAME -- THEY ARE IN CITY OF TAMPA.
I AM SAYING IF YOU NEED OTHER PROFITS, CAN THEY BE OUTSIDE
OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY --
11:15:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABBYE IS NODDING.
11:15:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THEN I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
11:15:59AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE WILL TAP INTO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
MARKETING SKILLS.
WE WILL GO OUT --
11:16:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL OVER THE WORLD.
11:16:07AM >>KAYON HENDERSON:
GOOD MORNING, KAYON HENDERSON MANAGER FOR
HOUSING DIVISION.
I WANT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT WHAT MISS TRAVIS STATED.
ONE, WHEN WE ISSUED THE RFP.
WE REACHED OUT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
WE HAD NONPROFIT AS FAR AS ORLANDO COME AND THE ONLY TWO
RESPONDENTS.
WE PUSHED IT OUT AS MUCH AS WE COULD AND ONLY THOSE TWO
RESPONDENTS.
THE OTHER THING TIED UP IN THIS AGREEMENT AND AMENDMENT, OUR
SHIP FUND AND 900,000 -- CLOSE TO $1 MILLION.
AND WE ARE FACING AN EXPENDITURE DEADLINE WITH THIS.
IF WE DON'T AMEND THIS AND GO TO A NEW ONE, JUST RISK THAT.
WE HAVE THE RISK OF LOSING THOSE FUNDS AND ADDITIONAL FUNDS
THAT WILL NOT GO TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT NEED IT.
11:16:57AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I SAID THAT IN SOME OF YOUR BRIEFS.
11:17:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I REMEMBER THAT.
IS THERE A WAY, THOUGH, THAT WE COULD -- I DON'T -- I DON'T
WANT TO OPEN UP A WHOLE ANOTHER CAN, BUT I WANT TO TOUCH ON
THE PERSON WHO HAS THE $38,000 ROOF FOR A 800-SQUARE-FOOT
HOUSE.
IF THERE IS A WAY -- I KNOW IT HAS SORT OF BEEN EXPLAINED
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND $25,000 TO FIX IT.
SO IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET MAYBE SOME INVESTIGATION OR
REPORT, LIKE A WRITTEN REPORT SOMEHOW.
11:17:36AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE DID IT.
11:17:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
I WILL FORWARD IT TO YOU.
11:17:45AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I DID THAT.
I WILL FORWARD IT TO YOU.
11:17:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO MAKE IT FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT
MAY BE INTERESTED IN IT.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOLKS TO SEE IT.
AND IF -- IF SOMETHING WAS DONE WRONG AND THE CONTRACTOR HAS
BEEN TALKED TO ABOUT OVERPAYMENT AND ISSUES.
BECAUSE TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE LIKE THAT,
IT PROBABLY SHOULD LAND YOU ON A WARNING LIST.
11:18:10AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
SO -- YES.
LIKE -- LIKE I OUTLINED FOR YOU.
MR. REEVES.
WE WERE MADE AWARE OF ISSUES AND IT CAME TO US FROM THE
HOMEOWNER ABOUT MR. REEVES.
A LOT OF CONVERSATION OF IN FEAR OF RETALIATION.
I TOLD YOU WHEN I CAME UP, NOT RETALIATION FROM US, FROM THE
CITY STAFF.
WE DON'T HAVE COMPLAINTS COMING TO US DIRECTLY OR SOMETHING
HARD.
MISS McCASKILL PROVIDED A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION.
WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
IF WE FIND SOMETHING EGREGIOUS, ABSOLUTELY WE WILL DO IT.
WE CAN'T INVESTIGATE WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF IT.
AND.
WE WILL TO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
WE DON'T WANT ANYONE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
ESPECIALLY OUR ELDERLY RESIDENTS.
WE DON'T TOLERATE AT ALL, AND WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT.
11:19:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONCE YOU FINISH WITH THAT, GIVE US AN UPDATE.
WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
11:19:12AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
COUNCIL, I WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT
NICOLE'S OFFICE AND MY OFFICE ARE WORKING ON WITH MR.
SPEARMAN'S OFFICE.
COUNCIL HAS APPROVED -- AND WE STARTED THIS.
AND WE PUT IT BACK OUT FOR RFP WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE,
BECAUSE I DID NOT LIKE THE EBO OF ASPECTS.
THE EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY ASPECTS.
THE EBO WORK HAS GROWN IN THAT SPACE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS.
I MONITOR ON A DASHBOARD WITH MISS OCEA WYNN AND
REPRESENTATIVE HART'S OFFICE.
AND A MEETING AND FULL CONTROL WITH THE CONTRACTORS TO DO
THE REPAIRS IN THE CITY AND WE WANT TO EXPLORE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE JOB CONTRACTING IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
TO SEE IF -- AGAIN, I KNOW LEGALLY I WILL GET KICKED NOR,
BUT IT IS NOT OFFICIALLY A STATE OF EMERGENCY, BUT IT IS AN
EMERGENCY.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK
IF THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING WHICH IS FULL OF EBO
OPPORTUNITIES CAN BE CONTROLLED BY CITY STAFF TO SERVE THE
PUBLIC TO SERVE THE SAME WAY IT SERVES CITY FACILITIES.
11:20:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A GREAT IDEA.
11:20:24AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CHIEF AND MR.
SPEARMAN.
AND ALIS DRUMGO, OUR DEPUTY ASSISTANT MANAGER AND TAKING
SMALL LITTLE PILOT GROUPS TO WORK OUT THE KINKS BEFORE WE
PUSH THIS.
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
WE ARE TRYING.
WE URGE --
11:20:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE WORKING HARD.
11:20:48AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I WILL RELAX A BIT AND TAKE DEEP BREATH.
11:20:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS NEW
TO ME.
WHEN YOU GET A CONTRACTOR AND YOU ARE VETTING THESE FOLKS,
WHEN YOU GET A STORY LIKE THE WOMAN WHOSE HOUSE IS A
PROBLEM.
NOT PART OF OUR PROGRAM.
BUT ONCE YOU KNOW THAT STORY, IS THAT PUT INTO THAT
CONTRACTOR'S DOSSIER?
11:21:18AM >> WE HAVE.
YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN TAKING HEARSAY IMPACTING
PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD AND BUSINESSES.
YOU HAVE TO IT BE VERY CAREFUL FOR THAT.
BUT BEYOND HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, OFF
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DEPARTMENT OF CERTIFIED PROFESSIONALS
AND A BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT TAKEN AND OATH AND OUR JOB IS
PUBLIC SAFETY.
IF THERE IS A PERMIT ISSUED ON THE PROJECT, IT HAS TO MEET
THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT BEFORE IT IS APPROVED,
INSPECTED AND THE PERMIT CLOSED.
WE DON'T GO AND INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING WE HEAR WITH HEARSAY,
AN OPEN OR ACTIVE.
WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND WE ARE IN CHARGE OF SAFETY COMING INTO THIS BUILDING.
WE ARE IN CHARGE OF GOING INTO THIS HOME AND THE PERSON WHO
IS PURCHASING YOUR HOME AFTER YOU DO.
THINGS WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.
11:22:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LIKE I SAID, STILL LEARNING.
11:22:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:22:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MISS TRAVIS, I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
I PERSONALLY WENT TO THAT HOME, PERSONALLY.
IF A BUILDING INSPECTOR INSPECTED THAT HOME, HE SHOULD BE
FIRED.
11:22:53AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
ABBYE JUST WHISPERED IN OUR EAR THAT HAD
THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS INVESTIGATING THIS.
SO --
11:23:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.
11:23:04AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE CAN TALK OFFLINE.
IF IT WAS INSPECTED -- LET ME JUST FINISH.
IF IT WAS INSPECTED AND RELEASED AND IT WAS IMPROPER, I WILL
TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.
SO, PLEASE.
11:23:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THANK YOU.
11:23:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DID THAT FINISH YOUR QUESTION.
11:23:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, THANK YOU.
11:23:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:23:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM RELATIVELY NEW TO THIS TOO.
PARDON MY IGNORANCE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE -- IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU -- SOUNDS LIKE CITY
STAFF IS DOING LOTS AND LOTS OF WORK RELATED TO ALL OF THIS.
ALL THE STUFF THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
WHAT IS THE REASON TO OUTSOURCE ANY OF IT TO A NONPROFIT,
AND DO THESE DO NONPROFITS CHARGE A MARK-UP OR SOMETHING.
HOW DO THEY GET PAID.
I HAVE NOT LOOKED THIS UP MYSELF BUT SOMEONE LOOKED UP THE
990 AND THE NONPROFIT APPARENTLY REPRESENTS HART AND THE 990
DOES NOT TAKE A SALARY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS TRUE OR NOT.
A SERVICE THAT THE NONPROFIT, PROVIDING STAFF FOR FREE TO
MANAGE THIS OR PAY THEM TO MANAGE IT.
AND WHY -- WHAT IS THE --
11:24:23AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE TO ON FROM
PROFITS FOR DOING PROGRAMS.
THERE IS A ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT TO SAY HOW MUCH
11:24:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
10%.
11:24:36AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
10%.
11:24:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW MUCH IS THAT, LIKE $300,000 THEN?
11:24:47AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
HOLD ON.
11:24:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU LOOKED AT THE COMPARISON OF WHAT IT
WOULD COURSE TO HIRE STAFF TO DO THIS AND OUTSOURCE IN
ANOTHER WAY.
11:24:55AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YES.
I DIDN'T DO YOUR MATH CALCULATION.
I WILL LET SOMEONE BACK HERE DO THAT.
BUT.
BUT IF WE WERE TO STAFF UP AND DO IT INTERNALLY OURSELVES.
11:25:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HAVE YOU DONE AN ANALYSIS TO DO IT THROUGH A
NONPROFIT THAN OURSELVES?
11:25:15AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YES.
I WILL SAY A DETAILED ANALYSIS, BUT YOU START TALKING ABOUT
NOT JUST SALARY AND BENEFITS, YOU HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE SOME
PLACE.
AND WE ARE AT CAPACITY.
NOT A LOT OF PLACES TO GO.
AND I WILL HAVE TO STAFF UP A LOT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
I AM ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING THROUGH THE CRA FOR THE
ADDITIONAL MONEY WITH THE HOUSING PROGRAM YOU APPROVED.
EMPLOYEES TO.
WE ARE STAFFING UP.
A IF YOU -- LET ME PUT A PIN IN THAT FOR A SECOND.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT SOLVE ALL ISSUES IN A COMMUNITY.
WE NEED OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS TO COME ALONGSIDE US.
SO THIS IS A SPACE THAT THEY CAN ALSO SERVE IN THAT WE CAN
OUTSOURCE SOME OF THAT FOR A LOWER COST.
BECAUSE IT IS BUILDING SPACE.
IT IS TRAINING.
IT IS ALL OF THAT.
WE ARE BEEFING UP OUR STAFFING TO PUT MORE MONEY OUT, BUT WE
NEED OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS TO DO THIS AS WELL.
11:26:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST ONE LAST THING.
THIS IS ORLANDO GUDES' DISTRICT.
THEY ARE DOING THINGS OUTSIDE OF EAST TAMPA, BUT I WILL TAKE
HIS DIRECTION AND ADVICE WHAT TO DO.
11:26:32AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
OKAY.
11:26:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
11:26:45AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I NEED SOME DIRECTION.
11:26:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY.
11:26:49AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I NEED DIRECTION.
11:26:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
11:26:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP PROCESS.
BEHIND THE 8-BALL.
WE NEED THE MONEY SPENT.
YOU EXPLAINED OF MISS BROWNING'S HOUSE AND MR. REEVES.
AND AN OFF-LINE CONVERSATION WITH CONTRACT SERVICES AND YOU
EXPLAINED IT.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO OPEN IT UP TO GET OTHER CONTRACTORS
AND OTHER NONPROFITS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
11:27:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
PLANNED CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
BUT WHAT MR. GUDES JUST SAID.
IT IS FINE AND GOING TO BE JUST AS DIFFICULT TO CONTINUE TO
FIND NEW NONPROFITS AND NEW CONTRACTORS.
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN CORKING UNTIL NOW.
WITH THE ECONOMY START SOMETHING TO SLOW DOWN, TO FIND MORE
INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL DO THE WORK.
IT HAS BEEN A HARD TIME.
WE HAVE BEEN ON THE ROAD.
NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT THE WORLD.
CRUMBLING HERE AND THERE.
AND OVER THE HUMP, AND EAST TAMPA NEEDS THAT WORK DONE NOW.
THE MORE WE WAIT, THE MORE COSTLY TO DO REPAIRS.
A LITTLE LEAK, JUST A LITTLE LEAK.
TOMORROW, YOU HAVE HALF A ROOF AND MOLD ALL OVER THE HOUSE
AND OFF PROBLEM THERE.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:28:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:28:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST WANT TO BE SURE I HEARDRD WE ARE ALSO
GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH MORE RFPs.
11:28:20AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THAT'S CORRECT.
11:28:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WILL SHELBY.
11:28:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE MOTION IS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR
NUMBER 5.
11:28:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:28:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A MOTION OR AN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF.
11:28:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST AN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF.
11:28:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE MOVING ITEM NUMBER
5, FILE NUMBER BZP 22-77366.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:28:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:28:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
EVERYBODY VOTED AYE.
AND ANYONE OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
WITH MR. VIERA BEING ABSENT.
11:29:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT, MISS TRAVIS.
11:29:23AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
NO.
11:29:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT DO YOU WANT.
11:29:26AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE -- WE ARE
UNDER AN EXPENDITURE DEADLINE FOR S.H.I.P. FUNDS.
SO WE ARE UNDER EXPENDITURE DEADLINE FOR S.H.I.P. FUNDS.
IS YOUR FOCUS IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION.
11:29:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TELL US WHAT YOU NEED FOR US TO DO.
11:29:46AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
LISTEN, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
HOLD ON.
11:29:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT IS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT HER.
SHE IS STRAIGHT TO THE POINT.
11:29:54AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
SO BASED ON COMMENTS -- BASED ON WHAT I AM
HEARING, SO THIS MONEY IS S.H.I.P.,TIF, GENERAL FUND MONEY.
ALL-INCLUSIVE.
YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD TO SO THAT PEOPLE CAN
KEEP GETTING HELP.
WHAT WE ARE UNDER AN EXPENDITURE DEADLINE FOR IS S.H.I.P.
FUNDS.
I WOULD LIKE FOR TO YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RESOLUTION
WITH THE S.H.I.P. FUNDS ONLY.
11:30:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EXPENDED FIRST.
11:30:42AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
EXPENDED FIRST BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE
UNDER THE DEADLINE.
WE WILL ISSUE AN RFP AND INCLUSIVE OF ALL MONIES.
YOU GET MORE NONPROFITS.
I NEED ANOTHER MOTION TO HAVE ISSUE THE RUSHING RFP TO BE
INCLUSIVE.
11:31:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS TRYING TO
IMPLY.
11:31:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:31:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T NEED TO RESCIND THE LAST ONE AND DO
AN ADDITIONAL MOTION.
11:31:10AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
DO AN RAINFALL RFP OF THE PROGRAM OF ALL
FUNDING.
11:31:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO MOVED.
11:31:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU GOT TO SAY IT THOUGH.
11:31:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, I HEARD YOU ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION
TO USE THE -- USE THE S.H.I.P. FUNDS FIRST.
DO WE HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION FOR THAT?
11:31:32AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE MOTION THAT YOU PASSED DID NOT SPECIFY
TO USE THE S.H.I.P. FUNDS FIRST.
I NEED YOU TO DO THAT.
11:31:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AFTER YOU DO THAT ONE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION
TO USE THE S.H.I.P. FUNDS FIRST.
11:31:44AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
FOR THIS AGREEMENT AND EAST TAMPA.
11:31:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT NOW.
I AM SORRY.
11:31:52AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YOU ARE FINE.
11:31:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FINISH THE EAR ONE FIRST AND THEN GO BACK TO
THIS?
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
11:32:00AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE WILL GET IT.
11:32:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE TO RESCIND THE ORIGINAL MOTION,
CORRECT.
11:32:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, RESCIND YOUR ORIGINAL
MOTION.
11:32:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SECOND IT SO THERE IS A CLARITY ON THE
BOARDS AND RECORDS AND SO EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW
WE DID THE RIGHT THING.
11:32:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
11:32:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE
THE VOTE, PLEASE.
11:32:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:32:22AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE ARE TRYING TO DO THIS ON THE FLY.
ASK YOU FOR A THREE-MINUTE BREAK.
11:32:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN RECESS FOR THREE MINUTES.
11:32:30AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONTRACT YOU
CAN ISSUE ANOTHER RFP AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO FUND THE
OTHER RFP.
WE NEED CONTRACTORS.
WE HAD THREE TO FOUR MEETINGS THIS YEAR TRYING TO GET
CONTRACTORS TO COME ON OUR LIST.
WE ONLY HAD TWO SIGN UP.
SO THEY DON'T MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS.
SO NOT LIKE THE MOST LUCRATIVE JOB, BUT A NICHE, RIGHT.
SO WE NEED TO FIND CONTRACTORS WHO WANT TO WORK WITHIN THIS
NICHE.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO RECRUIT, BUT I DON'T NEED FOR YOU TO
DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH A MOTION.
I WILL PUT OUT ANOTHER RFP FOR THE $3 MILLION.
AM MY BLOOD PRESSURE IS BACK DOWN.
[LAUGHTER]
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO MAKE SAUSAGE ON THE
FLY.
AND YOU HAVE EXPERTS -- YOU HAVE AN EXPERT TEAM THAT IS
WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS WILL CONTINUE TO
BE SERVE AS WE TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
I ALSO WANT TO STAY THAT A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES AND
PROGRAMS AND THE THINGS WE ARE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS
NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE PROGRAM.
THE PROGRAM WORKS.
WE JUST -- IT IS A CAPACITY ISSUE.
THAT'S IT.
11:41:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS TRAVIS, IF I AM HEARING CORRECTLY, WE
DO NOT NEED TO RESCIND THE PRIOR MOTION.
11:41:59AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THAT'S CORRECT.
11:41:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND YOU ARE GOING TO REPORT OF THE NEW RFP
BEING SENT OUT.
11:42:09AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YOU WILL SEE IT WHEN IT IS READY.
11:42:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALREADY DID APPROVE THE MOTION.
11:42:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN I BE RECOGNIZED.
WE WILL CHECK OUT THE JOB PROGRAM TO HELP WITH THAT.
11:42:25AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE JOB PROGRAM THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF
TALKED ABOUT, WE ARE WORK ON THAT.
ALL OF THAT FALLS INTO OUR HOUSING BUCKET.
WE CAN REPORT THAT BACK TO YOU IN A FEW MONTHS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH THE RAINFALLCRA.
IT IS IN PLAY.
11:42:41AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I HAVE A 30-SECOND CLIP I
WANT TO SHOW YOU.
FOLKS KNEW THIS WAS COMING UP TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING.
CCTV CAN CUE UP THAT YOUTUBE I SHOT.
A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.
IF THEY CAN PULL IT UP.
TALK WHAT THE CITY OF ATLANTA IS DOING.
11:43:01AM >> LOOKING FOR HELP TO GET MORE FAMILIES INTO HOMES THEY CAN
AFFORD.
11:43:08AM >> THE MAYOR CALLS IT DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT REPLACEMENT.
FOX 5 MORRIS DIGGS REPORTS ON THE PROGRESS.
11:43:16AM >>Reporter:
WHERE WHERE THE NEW HOUSING BE, DOWNTOWN.
SEVERAL PARCELS SPREADED AROUND.
THE KEY POINT, LAND THE CITY CONTROLS.
IT CAN CONTROL THE RENT MAKING THOSE PAYMENTS MORE
AFFORDABLE.
11:43:27AM >> PRICED OUT OF A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE IN ATLANTA, SOME
CITIZENS ARE SO FRUSTRATED THEY COME DOWN TO CITY HALL
LOOKING FOR HELP.
11:43:35AM >> I AM NOT GIVING UP.
I CAN COME HERE UNTIL I HEAR RENT, RENT, RENT CONTROL.
THAT IS WHAT WE NEED.
DO THE RIGHT THING.
11:43:43AM >>Reporter:
SHE EVEN HAD T-SHIRTS TO DELIVER TO THE
COUNCILMEMBERS, BUT LOCAL POLITICIANS CANNOT TO REPRESENT
CONTROL.
BUCKETS OF PUBLIC DOLLARS TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING PROBLEM.
COVID FUNDING IS SOME.
11:43:56AM >> DISNEY BURRED TENS OF MILLIONS AROUND THE CITY TO HELP
PAY THEIR RENT IF THEY CAN SHOW THAT COVID HAS CREATED SOME
SORT OF HARDSHIP.
11:44:05AM >>Reporter:
EVEN SO, THE MAYOR IS LOOKING AT LONG-TERM
REMEDIES.
11:44:10AM >> SOMETHING ABOUT ATLANTANS, WE KNOW HOW TO OVERCOME
PROBLEMS.
11:44:15AM >>Reporter:
ATLANTA PURCHASED A DOWNTOWN TOWER TO BE
PURCHASED BY THE STATE AND WILL BE CONVERTED INTO HOUSING
UNITS.
A FUTURE RESIDENT WILL WALK TO MARTA FIVE POINTS.
THE CIVIC CENTER DOWNTOWN, A SOLID PLAN TO BUILD HOUSING AS
PART OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND MAYOR DINKENS IS GETTING
CHURCHES INVOLVED.
ONE THAT WILL CONSTRUCT HOUSING ON AVAILABLE LAND.
11:44:38AM >> WE HAVE TO DELIVER 1739 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND HAVE
ANOTHER 3940 UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS PROGRESS.
11:44:48AM >> Reporter:
COUNCILMAN MATT WESTMORELAND SAID THERE IS A
RACIAL COMPONENT TO ENSURE THAT ATLANTA DOES NOT LOCK
ANYBODY OUT.
11:44:59AM >> WE HAVE A STARK RACIAL DIVIDE OF THE MEDIAN INCOME OF
WHITE FAMILIES IN ATLANTA VERSUS BLACK FAMILIES.
I BELIEVE VERY DEEPLY AND I KNOW THE MAYOR DOES AND MANY OF
MY COLLEAGUES ON COUNCIL THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE BUILDING
AN ATLANTA THAT CAN BE HOME FOR EVERYONE.
11:45:15AM >>Reporter:
I AM MORRIS DIGS, FOX 5 NEWS.
11:45:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT IS TO BE REMINDED
THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE
INCLUSIVE.
ALSO, THE CITY OWNS ITS OWN PROPERTY AND CONTROL RENT.
IF WE CONTROL THE PROPERTY, WE CONTROL THE RENT, AND WE CAN
CONTROL AND BUY THESE OLD ABANDONED CHURCHES THAT ARE ALL
AROUND THIS TOWN.
WE CAN THEN PUT DEVELOPMENT AND GET OTHER DEVELOPERS TO HELP
US WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH HOUSING.
AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ARE BUSY.
I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD, BUT I HAVE IN CON SCIENCE, I
HAD TO SHOW THAT.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.
11:45:58AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WILL GET A VIDEO
MADE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, BECAUSE --
[APPLAUSE]
-- I AM GOING TO GET A VIDEO MADE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING AND
MAKE SURE THAT IT IS BLASTED ALL OVER THE MEDIA, BECAUSE WE
HAVE 5500 TOWARD OUR 10,000 GOAL OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING --
HOUSING AFFORDABLE THAT THE MAYOR SET THAT 10,000 GOAL AND
WE HAVE BEEN TRACK IT.
OVER 5500.
AND AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.
SO ROME YARD IS ONE THAT WE RESTRICT OUR --
11:46:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE OLD ARMY NAVY.
11:46:29AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I AM SORRY, OLD ARMY NAVY AND 42nd STREET.
ANY TIME WE OWN THE PROPERTY JUST AS -- JUST AS IT WAS
STATED THAT YOU CAN CONTROL THE RENT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT
WE ARE DOING.
AND NOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU AND
I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS AS WELL IN LOOKING AT
MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE CAN TO DO GET AFFORDABLE
UNITS MIXED IN WITH MARKET RATE UNITS.
IN OUR AREAS.
WE HAD, LIKE, SEVERAL CONVERSATION IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
SOME WITH DEVELOPERS.
AND SO ALL OF THAT -- NOW I WILL WORK ON GETTING A NEWS CLIP
OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.
11:47:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT IS THE POINT I DID WANT TO MAKE.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.
ALL THE PUBLIC --
11:47:11AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THAT IS TRUE.
11:47:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I TALKED TODAY, TELL THE STORY.
MY THING IS -- I HAVE SAID ABOUT THESE OLD CHURCHES, OLD
BUILDINGS, SOME OF THESE OLD WAREHOUSE AREAS THAT WE SHOULD
BE BUYING.
THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THOSE KIND OF
ITEMS, LOW-HANGING FRUIT TO GET PEOPLE TO KNOW BECAUSE WE
CAN CONTROL THE RENT.
YOU CAN HAVE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE MIXED LEVEL INCOME, BUT
SOMETIMES THAT INCOME IS NOT THERE TO MEET WHAT NEEDS TO BE
MET.
THAT'S WHY I DID THAT.
NOT TO THROW SHADE AT ANYBODY.
JUST TO SAY -- LOOK WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING TOO.
WE MAY BE DOING STUFF, BUT THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING MAKING
SURE THESE BIG DEVELOPMENT BUILDINGS SITTING VACANT, THAT
THEY ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN THEM.
11:47:54AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YOU WILL SEE -- WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TELL
THE STORY.
I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, WE ARE HEAD DOWN DOING THE WORK AND
SO MUCH WORK TO DO WE FORGET OF TELLING THE STORY.
BUT WE ARE TELLING THE STORY.
WORKED WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM A FEW WEEKS AGO.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNICATION TEAM TO LAY OUT A
PLAN OF TELLING THE STORY OF ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE
HAPPENING WHEN ROME YARD'S PERMITS.
AND GROUNDBREAKING AND REBUILD HOMES.
I AM SCREWING UP ALL THE NAMES AND TELLING THE STORY AND
FOCUSED ON IMPLEMENTING PROGRAMS AND GETTING THE WORK AND
MONEY OUT.
WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
11:48:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:48:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THREE THINGS REAL FAST.
NUMBER ONE, CAN YOU ACCEPTED US YOUR CURRENT TALLY ON THE
5500.
11:48:47AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YES.
11:48:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHAT THAT IS AND
WHAT IS BEING COUNTED AND HOW.
AND SECOND IS -- SECOND IS THAT WITH THE -- -- WITH
SOME RFPs IN THE PAST, STAFF BOO SAY, WELL, WE HAD A RFP AND
ONLY TWO PEOPLE BID.
YOU AND I TALKED OF THIS PRIVATELY.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPERS AND NONPROFIT THAT THE
CITY WAS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SOMEBODY AND THIS HE KIND OF
DID A DEAL AND A RFP THAT WAS SHORT AND OTHER BIDDERS DIDN'T
HAVE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPER BID.
I KNOW YOU WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE NEED MULTIPLE BIDDERS ON
THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE BEST PROJECT AND TO GET EVERY
BIDDER A FAIR CHANCE.
AND THE LAST IMPORTANT THING FOR THE VIDEO IS DEVELOPMENT
WITHOUT DISPLACEMENT.
YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS A LOT TO SAY OF EAST TAMPA.
WE NEED TO NOT LOOKING A IT AT A PLACE FOR DEVELOPMENT BUT A
PLACE WITH A RICH HISTORY AND CULTURE.
IF WE WOULD -- IF WE NEED TO TREAT EAST TAMPA THE SAME WAY
HYDE PARK AND REPORT THE HISTORY OF CULTURE AND ARCHITECTURE
AND NOT GO THROUGH AND TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN AND REBUILD.
THANK YOU.
11:50:07AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE PROGRAM YOU JUST APPROVED REINFORCES
THAT -- TRY TO THE TO DISPLACE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB.
WE WILL CONTINUOUSLY LOOK FOR WAYS TO EXPAND AND IMPROVE
UPON THAT PROGRAM.
SO THERE IS CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN GENERATIONAL WEALTH IN
THE COMMUNITY.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
11:50:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MISS TRAVIS.
MR. ROGERO.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME ANSWERS TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT
COUNCIL HAS POSED TO YOU.
11:50:44AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MR. CHAIR.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
YES, COUNCIL HAD ASKED US TO CIRCLE BACK AND PROVIDE A
FUNDING SOURCE FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
IT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS WEEK.
WE HAVE DONE THAT.
CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
COUNCILMAN GUDES DID AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION, PULLING FROM
THE ELECTION BUDGET, THE ELECTION OF CALENDAR YEAR 2023.
WE LOOKED AT THAT.
WE ANTICIPATE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL WILL
BE WELL WITHIN OUR MARGIN OF ERROR FOR NEXT WEEK'S ELECTION
FUNDING AND RECOMMEND FUNDING FOR ELECTION EXPENSE.
11:51:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
DO WE HAVE A MAKER OF THE MOTION?
DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED.
11:51:41AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:51:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DID YOU WANT TO READ THAT OFF?
INAUDIBLE]
11:51:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE ELECTION FUNDS.
11:51:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR.
11:51:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:52:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY THANK YOU TO CFO AND HIS STAFF FOR
FINDING THE MONEY.
11:52:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME, GO TO A EDGE ITEM 6, FILE
NUMBERPS 22-78059 WHICH WILL BE HEARD WITH AGENDA ITEM 7.
THEY WILL BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY; HOWEVER, ONE MORE AGENDA
ITEM, NUMBER 35 THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED ALL AT THE SAME
TIME.
WITHOUT OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL.
11:52:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR, PLEASE PROCEED.
11:53:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS, STAFF MEMBERS
AND THE PUBLIC MY NAME IS RICH MILLS, THE MAJOR WITH THE
TAMPA IMPLEMENT SPECIAL SUPPORT DIVISION AND I'M HERE TO
DISCUSS THE URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVE THAT IS UNDER
ITEM 6 AND 7.
WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS -- I HAVE A VISUAL FOR YOU TO LOOK
AT.
I AM GOING TO GIVE A SHORT PRESENTATION, GIVE YOU THE
BACKGROUND OF UASI, THE URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVES.
AND THEN GO INTO FISCAL YEAR 2022 FUNDING AND ANSWER YOUR
QUESTIONS.
SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS SOME CORE CAPABILITIES.
ON YOUR LEFT.
AND THEN THE RECIPIENT AGENCIES AND REGION 4, WHICH
CONSISTENT OF EIGHT DIFFERENT COUNTIES WITHIN REGION 4 AND
OBVIOUSLY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES.
SO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
IT WILL KIND OF MAKE SENSE WHILE I AM TALKING AND GIVING YOU
AN OVERVIEW.
THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY URBAN AREA SECURITY
GRANT PROGRAM WAS CREATED IN 2002 AFTER THE TERRORIST ATTACK
EVENTS OF 911.
TO ENHANCE OUR NATION'S PREPAREDNESS FOR HIGH THREAT, HIGH
DENSITY URBAN AREAS BY PROVIDING FUNDS TO BUILD AND SUSTAIN
CAPABILITIES NECESSARY TO PREVENT, PROTECT AGAINST,
MITIGATE, RESPOND TO AND RECOVER FROM THREATS OR ACTS OF
TERRORISM.
EACH YEAR, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY DERIVES A
RELATIVE RISK SCORE BASED ON THREAT, VULNERABLITY OF THE 100
MOST POPULOUS METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREAS AS DEFINED BY
THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.
CONGRESSIONAL LEGISLATION REQUIRES FUNDING THOSE URBAN AREAS
THAT FALL WITHIN THE TOP 85 PERCENTILE OF RELATIVE RISK
SCORE.
IN 2022, 36 URBAN AREAS WERE AWARDED AND WILL SHARE $615
MILLION IN TOTALITY.
THE TAMPA BAY AREA URBAN SECURITY INITIATIVE IS ONE OF THOSE
AREAS RECEIVING $3.6 MILLION.
TAMPA BAY IS ONE OF ONLY 19 URBAN AREAS TO RECEIVE
CONTINUOUS FUNDING SINCE THE PROGRAM'S INCEPTION.
TO FUND PROJECTS CONNECTED TO TERRORISM OF COUNTIES CITRUS,
HARDEE, HERNANDO, HILLSBOROUGH, PASCO, PINELLAS, POLK, AND
SUMTER COUNTIES.
AND SPECIFIC TO THE WORKING GROUP WITHIN THE URBAN AREA
SECURITY INITIATIVE WHICH INCLUDES COMMUNICATIONS,
CYBERSECURITY, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, FIRE RESCUE, HEALTH AND
MEDICAL, LAW ENFORCEMENT, PORT AUTHORITY SECURITY AND
TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSIT.
THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
HOUSES THE ADMINISTRATORS THROUGH THE CONTINUE BAY UASI
GRANT PROGRAM WHICH INCLUDE PROJECTS AND FUNDING FOR ALL
PARTNER AGENCIES WITHIN THE EIGHT COUNTY URBAN AREA AS WELL
AS SUBMITTING REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST AND MEETING ALL FEDERAL
GRANT REQUIREMENTS.
NOW IT IS VERY IMPERATIVE THAT WE, AS THE ADMINISTRATORS OF
THIS FEDERAL GRANT, ADHERE TO THE REGULATIONS OF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
IT IS A FEDERAL GRANT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS FEDERAL MONEY.
WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEIR FEDERAL RULES.
ALL PROJECTS HAVE A DIRECT NEXUS OF PREVENTING, PROTECTING
AGAINST, MITIGATING, RESPONDING TO AND RECOVERING FROM
THREATS OR ACTS OF TERRORISM.
ALL AGENCIES MUST TAKE PART IN THE MANDATORY STAKEHOLDER
PREPAREDNESS REVIEW AND HAZARDOUS AND RISK ASSESSMENT KNOWN
AS TRA.
AND PROJECTS MUST ALSO MEET ONE OF THE PRIORITIES SET BY THE
URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVE BOARD, AND THEY USUALLY
CHANGE ON A YEARLY BASIS.
SOME STAY THE SAME.
SOME CHANGE PACED ON THE CURRENT THREATS THROUGHOUT THE
WORLD.
THIS FOR 2022 -- FISCAL YEAR 2022, THOSE THREATS INCLUDED --
PRIORITIES INCLUDED ENHANCING PROTECTION OF SOFT TARGETS,
CROWDED PLACES.
ENHANCING INFORMATION AND INTELLIGENCE SHARING AND ANALYSIS.
COMBATING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EXTREMISM.
ENHANCING CYBERSECURITY.
ENHANCING COMMUNITY PREPAREDNESS.
AND RESILIENCE TO TERRORISM.
AND ENHANCING ELECTION SECURITY.
SO TO GO INTO FISCAL YEAR '22 SPECIFICALLY, THE TAMPA
BAY UASI CONTINUES TO FUND A SUBSCRIPTION-BASED SERVICE FOR
ALERTING FOR HIGH-RISK EVENTS, KEYWORD CREDENTIAL MODELING,
ANALYSIS SERVICES, COMPROMIZATION.
AND DIGITAL AND REPORTING FOR OUR URBAN AREA.
URBAN AREA PARTNER WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE.
TAMPA BAY UASI WILL DEPLOY AN ON-PREMISE TOUCHPOINT,
HARDWARE AND SORT WARE THAT WILL NETWORK TRAFFIC INDICATORS
TO THE TAMPA BAY INTELLIGENCE CENTER.
THESE PROJECTS WILL BUILD CAPABILITIES WITHIN THE CYBER
SECURITY CORE CAPABILITY.
OTHER PROJECTS INCLUDE CLOSING A GAP AND MUTUAL AID
COMMUNICATION WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND A MOBILE
SATELLITE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM FOR HERNANDO COUNTY.
A BOMB ROBOT FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHICH
RESPONDS TO ALL BOMB CALLS FOR UNINCORPORATED AREAS WITHIN
OUR EIGHT-COUNTY URBAN AREA AND A BOMB SUIT FOR THE TAMPA
BAY -- FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BOMB SQUAD THAT
SERVES ALL MUNICIPALITY BOMB NEEDS WITHIN OUR EIGHT-COUNTY
REGION, AS WELL AS THE MASS CASUALTY TRAILER FOR TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE TO PROVIDE THE MEANS TO EFFECTIVELY TRIAGE AND
STABILIZE PATIENTS IN THE EVENT OF A TERRORIST ATTACK.
AS YOU HEARD BEFORE, THIS IS A FEDERAL GRANT.
WE DO HAVE DEADLINES.
THIS WAS AWARDED IN FISCAL 2022.
IF WE DON'T HAVE -- IF WE DON'T UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS, AGAIN,
WE LOSE THOSE FUNDS.
IT NOT ONLY EFFECTS THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT EFFECTS
SEVERAL DIFFERENT RECIPIENT AGENCIES WITHIN THE EIGHT-COUNTY
REGION WHICH IS IN FRONT OF YOU NOW WITH THOSE RECIPIENT
AGENCIES
11:59:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:59:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
11:59:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE PS 22-78059 BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
12:00:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE NUMBER 7.
12:00:15PM >> SECOND.
12:00:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7
TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR FILE NUMBER PS 22-78099 BY
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
OR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
12:00:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
12:00:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS SEPARATE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 35, PLEASE?
12:00:57PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED A MEMORANDUM ON ITEM NUMBER 35.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I WILL ANSWER THOSE FOR
YOU.
12:01:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
12:01:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
12:01:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET ME ASK THIS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- COUNCILMAN VIERA IS NOT HERE, AND THAT
IS HIS PUBLIC SAFETY.
IF HE IS NOT BACK, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU PREFER TO
MOVE THIS ALL AT ONCE FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY?
12:01:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.
12:01:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I AM SEEING THAT IT'S 12:00.
NOW, WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
[SOUNDING GAVEL]
[MEETING IN RECESS]

1:31:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
1:32:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
1:32:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
1:32:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
1:32:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM HERE AS WELL.
WE HAVE LEFT OFF AND NOW WE ARE HEARING AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER

8, 9 AND 10 TOGETHER.
HOWEVER, AN IMPORTANT PERSON WHO I WAS HOPING WAS GOING TO
BE HERE IS NOT.
DO WE HAVE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE ONLINE?
1:32:38PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND DEFERRING THOSE
ITEMS.
I THINK CHIEF TRIPP HAD A CONFLICT AT LUNCH.
1:32:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEN LET'S GO WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11,
TO BE HEARD WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.
WE WILL BE HEARING THEM TOGETHER BUT VOTING ON THEM
SEPARATELY.
1:33:08PM >> MICHAEL SCHMID, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
WE ARE HERE ON ITEMS NUMBER 11 AND 12.
AND IF WE -- WE SUBMITTED A PowerPoint, IF WE COULD GET
THE PowerPoint UP.
1:33:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, PLEASE PROCEED.
1:33:41PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
THERE WAS A PowerPoint PRESENTED WITH
THIS.
1:33:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I.T., COULD WE HAVE IT ON THE DAIS, PLEASE?
1:33:49PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
WE ARE HERE BECAUSE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO I
BROUGHT FORWARD AN AGENDA ITEM TO AMEND 23.5.
THAT IS DEALING WITH CIVIL CITATIONS, AND WE WANTED TO
DESIGNATE SKATEBOARDING AS A LESSER OFFENSE, MAKING IT A $75
LOWEST CATEGORY PUNISHMENT OFFENSE, SO IF THERE WERE EVER
ANY VIOLATIONS OF SKATEBOARDING THAT IT WOULD BE AS A CIVIL

CITATION.
WHEN I BROUGHT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL HAD A
MOTION THAT WE COME BACK TO ALSO LOOK AT 25.172.
IT HAS NOT BEEN REVISED SINCE 1995.
SO CITY COUNCIL ASKED THAT WE COME BACK, LOOK AT IT.
WE HAVE MET WITH MOBILITY, BRANDON CAMPBELL WITH MOBILITY IS
HERE TODAY, ALSO.
SO WE CAN WORK IN -- WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH MOBILITY FOR
THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS TO REVIEW WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE
DOING AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE.
SO BASED ON THAT, I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS REALLY FAST.
SO RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOING TO BE DESIGNATE A CIVIL
CITATION, WE ADDED A DEFINITION FOR SKATE BOARDS,
SKATEBOARDING AND TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
WE REMOVED A PROHIBITION FROM DOWNTOWN AND YBOR EXCEPT FOR
7th AVENUE.
WE CONSIDER REMOVING OF ROLLER SKATES AND IN-LINE SKATES AND
REMOVED ANY AUTHORIZES PREEMPTED BY STATE LAWS.
THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A MOTION THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD.
AND PRESENTLY, 25-172, SKATEBOARD COASTERS AND OTHER SIMILAR
DEVICES ARE PROHIBITED TO OPERATOR RIDE ON ANY STREET,
ROADWAY, SIDEWALK IN DOWNTOWN.
ANY SIDEWALK IN YBOR, AND PUBLIC GRANTS AND PRIVATE PUBLIC
UNLESS PERMISSION IS GRANTED.
AND THEN THERE IS PRESENTLY ALSO ROLLER SKATES AND IN-LINE

SKATES, THOSE ARE PROHIBITED TO RIDE ON, LIKEWISE, STREETS,
ROADWAYS, SIDEWALKS, AND THEN AREAS BETWEEN 6th, 7th
AND 8th, PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PUBLIC PROPERTY.
AND 25.5 ESTABLISHES FINE AMOUNTS FROM CLASSES 1 TO HAD.
WE ARE ASKING THIS TO BE A CLASS 1, THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF
$75.
PRESENTLY, I HADN'T HEARD IT SAID SO IN THE PAST, IS
PUNISHMENT AS TO APPEAR IN COUNTY COURT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE
ARE NOW TRYING TO MAKE IT GO INSTEAD OF GOING TO COUNTY
CRIMINAL COURT.
THIS WOULD JUST A CIVIL CITATION SO-SO HERE IS 23.5 SCHEDULE
1, AS YOU SEE, THE UNDERLYING SECTION IN THE RIGHT COLUMN,
25-172 IS ADDED.
SO CHAPTER 316 IS OUR UNIFORM TRAFFIC LAWS, NOT IN AN
ORDINANCE, OR A MATTER COVERED BY 316, EXPRESSLY COVERED
UNLESS IT'S AUTHORIZED.
316.0085, COVERS GOVERNMENTAL LIABILITY, SPECIFICALLY TO
UNDERSTAND SKATE PARKS WERE ADDED TO ENCOURAGE CITIES TO
ALLOW SKATERS IN-LINE SKATERS, EVEN BIKES, TO HAVE A PLACE
TO GO, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES A LOT OF CITIES PROHIBIT THEM FROM
SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ARE MEANT
FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND A LOT OF CITIES HAVE DETERMINED NOT TO
ALLOW SKATES, SKATE BOARDS, ON SIDEWALKS.
THE LEGISLATURE MADE IT SO THAT TO ENCOURAGE A PLACE FOR
SKATERS TO BE, FOR CITIES TO HAVE A PLACE FOR SKATERS

DESIGNATED IN THE CITY WOULD NOT BE LIABLE FOR INJURIES THAT
HAPPENED AT SKATE PARKS, BASICALLY.
SO THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS THREE SUCH PARKS.
THERE IS ALSO PRIVATE SKATEBOARD PARKS FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO
WANT TO SKATE.
WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES.
WE LOOKED AT ORLANDO, MIAMI, EVERY SURROUNDING CITY, WE
LOOKED AT AT LEAST TEN CITIES.
IN THE END WE FOUND ORLANDO HAD A DEFINITION SKATEBOARD,
SKATEBOARDING AND TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
WE HEARD CITY COUNCIL JUST SAY THAT THEY WANTED US TO
CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT BY US, STAFF, TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR
NOT SKATE BOARDS COULD BE USED ON SIDEWALKS FOR
TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES SO THEY COULD BE ALLOWED EVEN
DOWNTOWN TO GO TO WORK.
SO ORLANDO RECENTLY HAD AMENDED THEIRS.
AFTER LOOKING AT ALL THE CITIES WE LOOKED AT, IT LOOKED LIKE
ORLANDO COVERED WHAT CITY COUNCIL WAS ASKING US TO CONSIDER.
SO THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS SKATEBOARD,
AND IT'S DEFINED THERE, SKATEBOARDING, AND THEN AS I SAID,
TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
SO IF IT WOULD BASICALLY ALLOW SOMEBODY TO TAKE THEIR
SKATEBOARD DOWNTOWN WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY PROHIBITED, WOULD
ALLOW TO BE ON SIDEWALKS FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES, OR IF
YOU ARE GOING TO WORK YOU COULD SKATEBOARD.

IF YOU ARE GOING JUST FROM POINT A TO POINT B YOU COULD
SKATEBOARD DOWNTOWN ON THE SIDEWALK.
BUT IT CAN ONLY BE DONE IF YOU ARE DOING IT FOR
TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS DECIDING TO DO TRICKS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY,
GRINDING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY OR WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT WOULD
NOT BE ALLOWED.
THAT WOULDN'T FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF A TRANSPORTATION
PURPOSE.
SO THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE, SKATEBOARDING WOULD BE
PROHIBITED ON ALL PUBLIC PROPERTY OWNED OR CONTROLLED BY THE
CITY AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES EXCEPT FOR
TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES, IF A PERSON IS SKATEBOARDING, YIELD
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO PEDESTRIANS, GIVES AN AUDIBLE SIGNAL
BEFORE OVERTAKING AND PASSING A PEDESTRIAN OR AS
SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED BY APPROPRIATE GOVERNMENTAL
ENTITIES.
NOT WITHSTANDING SKATEBOARDING WOULD BE PROHIBITED SKILL ON
7th AVENUE, AND ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE CITY, AND
ALSO PROPERTY CONTROLLED BY THE CITY.
I WILL STOP THERE.
ALL RIGHT.
AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A HELMET FOR THOSE UNDER 16.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW UNDER CHAPTER 316.
THAT LANGUAGE ACTUALLY CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF CHAPTER 316

TALKING ABOUT WHEN BIKES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE HELMETS.
AGAIN IT WOULD MAKE IT A CLASS 1 VIOLATION.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
IT'S TO ALLOW DIFFERENT FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, SIDEWALKS,
TO MODERNIZE THE ORDINANCE, PARTS OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE
STATE THAT YOU CAN SKATE ON THE STREETS BETWEEN CERTAIN
HOURS.
WE WOULD NEED TO REMOVE THAT AS A PREEMPTION OF STATE
STATUTES THAT SKATES CANNOT BE ON STREETS SO THAT HAS TO BE
REMOVED ANYWAYS.
WE NEED TO PROMOTE TRANSPORTATION, DAMAGE TO PROPERTY, ALLOW
PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LIMITATIONS FOR SKATING, AND WE STILL
WANT TO PROHIBIT ON 7th AVENUE, BECAUSE THERE IS STILL A
HIGH PEDESTRIAN AREA THERE, AND THERE'S STILL MANY AVENUES
TO GET AROUND WITHOUT BEING ON 7th.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
WE ARE PREPARED TO BRING BACK FOR FIRST READ AN ORDINANCE IF
CITY COUNCIL AGREES WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE WOULD
BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE CHANGING IT FROM THE CLASS 1 THAT WE
PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND ALSO ALL THESE CHANGES TO 25-172.
AND I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
1:41:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:41:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE YOU REALLY
FOCUSING ON LETTING SKATEBOARDING BE A METHOD OF
TRANSPORTATION, AND THAT WE ARE TAKING ROLLER BLADING AND

ROLLER SKATES OUT, WHICH IS REALLY FUNNY.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAD TO
HAVE THAT ORDINANCE.
BUT PEOPLE STILL USE IT FOR TRANSIT AS WELL.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE $75 FINE.
I STILL THINK THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR KIDS.
SO THAT'S AN AREA THAT I WOULD LIKE COMMENT, BUT I
APPRECIATE YOUR WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SKATEBOARDING
MORE OF A TRANSPORTATION ISSUE WHILE KEEPING IT AWAY FROM
PLACES THAT WE BELIEVE IT'S NOT SAFE TO BE.
1:42:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:42:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANKS FOR REVIEWING THIS.
AS I SAID WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP, I DON'T THINK WE --
CITRO SAID HE COULD BETTER THAN ANY OF US BUT I HAVE FRIENDS
WHO ARE SKATEBOARDERS, AND I THINK COUNTY HURT OUR CITY'S
REPUTATION FOR HANDING OUT LOTS OF TICKETS TO SKATEBOARDERS.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT WHETHER THEY ARE
USING IT FOR TRANSPORTATION OR NOT, WHICH WOULD BE HARD FOR
A KID TO UNDERSTAND, I AM TRYING TO THINK OF MY 13-YEAR-OLD
OR 12-YEAR-OLD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S TRANSPORTATION
VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE.
IT SEEMS LIKE IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF FINE THAT IT WOULD
BE AROUND DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY OR INTIMIDATION OF OTHER
PEOPLE, LIKE IF YOU ARE RIDING FAST AND YOU RUN INTO
SOMEBODY WHO IS DISABLED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT

WOULD BE MORE WHAT THE FINE WOULD BE INSTEAD OF JUST -- IF
SOMEONE IS RIDING ALONG AND THEN THEY SPIN AROUND IN THE
OTHER DIRECTION, DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE NOT USING AT AS
TRANSPORTATION METHOD ANYMORE, IF THEY CHANGE DIRECTION?
WHEN YOU LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES, DID OTHER CITIES JUST LOOK
AT IT FROM THE DAMAGE, OR INTIMIDATION STANDPOINT INSTEAD OF
HOW THEY ARE RIDING IT?
1:43:46PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED THAT THEY FOLLOW
THE RULES OF PEDESTRIANS WHEN THEY ARE ON THE SIDEWALKS.
SO AS LONG AS THEY ARE ON THE SIDEWALKS, THEY SHOULDN'T BE
KNOCKING PEOPLE DOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
1:43:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT ABOUT LIKE IF THEY ARE RIDING, IF
THERE ARE GUARDS ON THE SIDE OF BENCHES AND THINGS, IS THERE
A SPECIFIC FINE FOR THAT THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS?
1:44:08PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
THAT'S WHY WE ARE DEFINING WHAT
TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE, BECAUSE AS LONG AS YOU ARE
OPERATING FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRANSPORTATION AND NOT IN
DEFINED LEAVING THE GROUND TO DO TRICKS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
1:44:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE DOWN
SIDE OF TAKING THIS OUT ALTOGETHER, NOT HAVING ANY FINES?
IT SEEMS LIKE THE PEDESTRIAN THING IS COVERED.
WE CAN'T INTIMIDATE PEDESTRIANS, IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN
PROHIBIT TODAY HE INSTRUCTION OF PROPERTY, THEN WHY CAN'T
THEY SPIN AROUND AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO ON THE

SIDEWALK OR CURTIS HIXON PARK OR WHATEVER?
1:44:45PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
CERTAINLY SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE HERE TO CONSIDER ANYTHING, BUT WE FOUND IT TO BE A
LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO SIT THERE AND DESCRIBE A LAUNDRY LIST
OF THINGS YOU CAN'T DO RATHER THAN JUST KEY FINE WHAT YOU
CAN DO, WHICH IS FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
AND IT WAS DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH A LAUNDRY LIST OF ALL
THE THINGS THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T DO, THAT IS MORE -- WE HAVE
LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES.
A LOT OF OTHER CITIES FLAT-OUT DON'T ALLOW SKATEBOARDING IN
CERTAIN AREAS IN DOWNTOWNS, AREAS WHERE THERE'S PEDESTRIANS,
FOR THE CONCERNS OF KNOCKING SOMEBODY OVER, THINGS LIKE
THAT.
1:45:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THIS LAST
TIME, BUT I'M PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE TO THIS ISSUE OVER THE
WHOLE FIGHT OF THE BRO BOWL AND THAT CAUSED TREMENDOUS
ANXIOUS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND BROUGHT US A LOT OF PAD
PUBLICITY SO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO ANYTHING TO DO
THAT AGAIN.
BUT I WOULD RATHER REDUCE AND TAKE AWAY THE FINES EXCEPT IN
THE CASE OF PROPERTY DAMAGE OR INTIMIDATION OR HURTING
SOMEONE.
BUT I WILL YIELD TO THE SKATEBOARDER.
1:45:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:45:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF

THIS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS BE IT KIDS OR
NOT.
SKATEBOARDING ON SIDEWALKS, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE
TRAVELING, WALKING, PEDESTRIANS.
SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT COURTEOUS.
SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT COURTEOUS.
MOST OF YOUR AVERAGE SKATEBOARDERS ARE BETWEEN TEENAGE KIDS,
PROBABLY BETWEEN 15, I WOULD SAY MAYBE 18, AND BETWEEN THE
AIRLINES OF 17 AND 24.
THOSE ARE YOUR REAL SKATEBOARDERS.
GOT TOO LONG, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT CAUSING DESTRUCTION OF
PLOT, THAT'S CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT ELEMENT VERSUS SOMEONE, AND THERE'S AN
INTENTIONAL ACT.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT IF YOU HAVE A PARKING VIOLATION, YOU PARK
YOUR CAR, YOU PARK YOUR CAR, PARKING VIOLATION IS PROBABLY
ABOUT 20, 25 BUCKS.
YOU KNOW, I CAN GO REDUCING THE SKATEBOARDING FINE DOWN BUT
NOT TO HAVE ANY FINE DOWN, BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE FIRST
OCCURRENCE, POLICE OFFICER CAN PUT THE PERSON'S NAME IN A
DATABASE, AND MAYBE WORN ONES OR TWICE, AND THE THIRD TIME
YOU GET A CITATION FOR 10 OR 15 BUCKS.
BUT YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE CAUSE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
TO ME, I DON'T USE SKATEBOARDING AS A MEANS OF

TRANSPORTATION.
I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINION, BUT I DON'T.
TO ME SKATEBOARDING IS A FUN ACTIVITY.
YOU CAN GET AROUND, BUT MOST KIDS I SEE, MOST TEENAGER KIDS,
FRIENDS GOING AROUND, IT'S GOING TO BE A WAY OF GETTING
AROUND, AND NEED TO FIND TRANSPORTATION.
I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
BUT I SEE A LOT OF KIDS AT TIMES, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, YOU
KNOW, SOMETIMES JUST BEING A JERK, SKATEBOARDERS ON THE
SIDEWALKS, AND IT'S LIKE THINGS HAPPEN.
BUT I DON'T MEAN TO PUT ANYBODY IN JAIL OR GOING TO COURT
FOR A FIRST EXPERIENCE PERSONS APPEARANCE BUT I DO BELIEVE
THERE SHOULD BE A SMALL 10 OR $15 THING, BUT AGAIN LOOKING
AT OCCURRENCES FOR SECOND TIME, AND HIT THEM WITH SOMETHING.
BUT TO NOT GUFF ANYTHING, I COULDN'T GO ALONG WITH THAT.
1:48:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:48:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION FOR THE
COUNSELOR.
AND I REALIZE -- AND I KNOW THAT THE RIVERWALK A LOT OF
PEOPLE USE IT FOR MANY THINGS.
WHAT ABOUT SKATEBOARDING THERE?
IS THAT ALLOWED OR NOT?
1:48:42PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
WELL, I THINK AS PROPOSED IT WOULD BE
ALLOWED, FOR THE SAME PURPOSES, FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES,
BUT --

1:48:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEY MUST ALL BE LATE FOR WORK.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
AND WHAT HAPPENED IS SOMEBODY, NOT TODAY, HOPE NEVER,
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HIT SOMEBODY IN THE BACK, THEY ARE
GOING TO FALL, AND THAT RIVERWALK IS NOT MADE OUT OF CLAY OR
RUBBER.
IT'S HARDENED MATERIAL.
AND WHEN YOUR HEAD HITS THERE, YOU DON'T HAVE A HELMET LIKE
A BUCCANEER DOES.
YOU WOULD HAVE A PERMANENT CONCUSSION.
1:49:22PM >> BRANDON CAMPBELL, SMART MOBILITY MANAGER.
I WOULD ADD THAT WHENEVER THE RIVERWALK WAS FUNDED PART OF
THAT GRANT APPLICATION, I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT AS A
MULTI-USE PATH, OTHER DEVICES WALKING WITH --
1:49:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT AT ALL.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PERSON GETTING
HURT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ME.
THAT'S ALL.
1:49:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:49:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO MAYBE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THIS,
WHAT IF WE EXTRAORDINARY IT FIRST TIME A WARNING, SECOND
TIME $10, THIRD TIME $25 AND MAX IT AT $25?
NO?

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A ZERO, AND IT'S NOT SOME CRAZY AMOUNT.
1:50:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
NOT TO GET OFF SUBJECT, I AM OF THE OPINION THAT ALL NON-ADA
COMPLIANT MOTORIZED VEHICLES SHOULD NOT BE ON SIDEWALKS.
ANYTHING THAT HAS A MOTOR SHOULD NOT BE ON SIDEWALKS.
WE HAVE ELECTRIC BIKES NOW THAT ARE CABLE OF DOING 30 MILES
AN HOUR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
THEY ARE ON SIDEWALKS.
WE HAVE SCOOTERS ON SIDEWALKS.
WE HAVE THOSE ONE-WHEEL CONTRAPTIONS THAT ARE ON SIDEWALKS.
TAMPA DOES NOTE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET THOSE NON-ADA
MOTORIZED VEHICLES OFF THE SIDEWALKS AND ONTO A DIFFERENT
DESIGNATED PATH.
HAVING SAID THAT, AS A FORMER THRASHER, AND I STILL WOULD BE
IF I DIDN'T DO A SCORPION THAT ALMOST BROKE MY BIKE -- WHERE
YOU BEND OVER BACKWARDS AND YOUR FEET TOUCH THE BACK OF YOUR
HEAD.
SKATEBOARDING IS NOT ILLEGAL.
ACTS OF VANDALISM ARE.
ACTS OF PROPERTY DAMAGE ARE.
ACTS OF PERSONAL INJURY -- EXCUSE ME, INJURY TO ANOTHER,
ARE.
I SEE MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE USING SKATE BOARDS TO GET TO AND
FROM WORK.
I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING PIKES ON THE SIDES OF BUILDINGS

OUT HERE.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I PERSONALLY CANNOT SUPPORT ANY TYPE OF FINE TO A
SKATEBOARDER WHO IS USING A SKATEBOARD AS TRANSPORTATION.
SOMEBODY WHO DOES PIKES ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING AND
DAMAGING A BUILDING OR RUN INTO A CAR, SURE, FINE THEM FOR
THAT.
BUT SKATEBOARDING SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
1:52:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY FEELING IS I BELIEVE YOU HAVE GOT TO
HAVE SOMETHING TO ENHANCE THE ABILITY OF THEM THINKING NOT
TO DO IT AGAIN.
AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE JUST A CONTINUOUS, DON'T DO IT
AGAIN, WHETHER A CHARLIE OR MARY OR WHATEVER, BUT WE HAVE
GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE SECOND AND THIRD TIME AND IT
CAN'T BE CONSTANT.
$25 IS LIKE $1.50 WHEN I WAS A KID.
THAT'S A MILKSHAKE.
1:52:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SORRY, ARE YOU FINISHED?
1:52:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.
1:52:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:52:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT'S WHY I THINK CRIMINAL MISCHIEF COMES INTO PLAY SO I AM
NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANY TAPE OF FEIGNS.
I SAID THAT BEFORE.

I WILL JUST SAY IT AGAIN.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE REDEFINING OF SKATEBOARDING AND
ALLOWING IT ON SIDEWALKS.
I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND I SEE A LOT OF SKATEBOARDERS ON THE BUS, AND SO PEOPLE
USE IT FOR THAT LAST MILE TRANSIT.
SO I DO SEE IT USED.
I SEE AT LEAST ONE SKATEBOARDER ON THE BUS WHEN I'M ON
THERE.
SO I REALLY CANNOT SUPPORT ANY TYPE OF FINE.
1:53:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT?
1:53:40PM >> MAYBE ONE THING WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR COUNCIL TO KNOW.
I PULLED OUR STATS FOR MOTOR SCOOTERS.
THOSE GOT PASSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AS NOW TO BE ALLOWED TO
BE USED ON THE SIDEWALKS.
THERE IS CURRENTLY A CIVIL CITATION PUNISHABLE BY A $75
FINE.
I PULLED THE STATS THERE.
HAS BEEN ONE CITATION ISSUED IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, SO
OFFICERS, AND THEN I PULLED SKATEBOARDING SKATES, IN TEN
YEARS OF SKATEBOARDING, THE LAST TEN YEARS, EIGHT OFFENSE
REPORTS WERE OPENED OF WHICH VERY FEW ACTUALLY RESULTED IN
ANYTHING.
SO PREDOMINANTLY WHAT YOU SEE IS OFFICERS HAVE DISCRETION IN
ISSUE WARRANTS.

OFFICERS ARE NOT OUT THERE WORKING TO WRITE CITATIONS FOR
SKATEBOARDING OR SKATEBOARDERS.
THEY ARE ISSUING WARNINGS.
1:54:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:54:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT GENERALLY SCOOTER RIDERS LEGALLY HAVE TO
BE 18.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE 18 TO RIDE ONE OF THOSE MOTORIZED
SCOOTERS, IF I AM REMEMBERING THINGS CORRECTLY.
AND AGAIN, I REALLY FEEL THAT CRIMINAL MISCHIEF IF THERE'S
SOMETHING GOING ON AN OFFICER CAN STILL GIVING A WARNING
UNDER CRIMINAL MISCHIEF AND STILL GIVE A FINE BASED ON
CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
I THINK WE ARE JUST ADDING SOMETHING WHO WHERE IT DOESN'T
NEED TO BE ADDED.
1:55:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:55:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THREE THINGS REAL FAST.
NUMBER ONE, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW IF THESE HAVEN'T BEEN USED
VERY MUCH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THESE KINDS OF POLICIES ARE NOT
ABUSED BY THE OFFICERS' DISCRETION BUT IF SOMEBODY ABOVE
THEM SETS A POLICY LIKE WHILE BIKING WHILE BLACK, IT'S A
POLICY FROM ABOVE THAT BASED ON NEWS COVERAGE IN SENT
ADVISED OFFICERS, COMPENSATED THEM FOR WRITING MORE TICKETS.
SO IF WE GOT A MAYOR IN THE FUTURE WHO DIDN'T LIKE
SKATEBOARDING AND WANTED SKATEBOARDERS OFF THE STREET, IT
SEEMS LIKE THEY COULD ABUSE IT BY GIVING INSTRUCTIONS TO THE

POLICE TO GIVE INCENTIVES TO WRITE TICKETS.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.
I THINK BEING FAIR YOUR ORIGINAL IDEA IN COMING TO US WAS TO
REDUCE THE FINE.
AND UNLESS I AM WRONG, TO HAVE NO FINE, WE WOULD HAVE TO
UNDO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE?
1:56:02PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
AS THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY STANDS IT'S A
NOTICE TO APPEAR IN COUNTY CRIMINAL COURT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS.
SO THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO THE LOWEST
CATEGORIZED FINE.
1:56:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU SAW THE SAME WE SAW BUT
YOU WERE TRYING TO REDUCE THE FINE.
YOU WERE TRYING TO BE KIND, AND IT SOUND LIKE WE ARE BEING
CRITICAL OF WHAT YOU PROPOSED, BUT SOME OF US DON'T BELIEVE
IN HAVING ANYTHING.
1:56:31PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
WE WANT TO BRING BACK TO YOU WHAT YOU
GUYS ULTIMATELY WANT.
1:56:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK I WOULD RATHER RESCIND IT.
USUALLY THE CHAIR GOES LAST BUT IN THIS CASE THE CHAIR IS A
CONTENT EXPERT AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HE PROPOSED.
1:56:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS.
I WAS.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:56:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I LISTENED TO MY COUNCILMAN AND

COUNCILWOMAN, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, TO GET ON THE BUS AND THAT
LAST LEG SKATEBOARD TO GET TO WORK, AND THAT'S LEGITIMATE.
I AGREE.
I HATE SKATEBOARDING ON SIDEWALKS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE
ARE NOT COURTEOUS.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE.
BUT I CAN LIVE WITH IT.
MR. CARLSON DOES HAVE ONE POINT.
IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE IN A CERTAIN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT
BEING COURTEOUS YOU COULD HAVE SUPERVISORS LIKE CITIZENS
MAKE COMPLAINTS, SAY SOMEONE GOT HURT, AND IT COMES OUT
WHERE YOU GO OUT THERE AND MONITOR THE AREA.
AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE AN OFFICER GO OUT THERE AND WRITE
CITATIONS, YOU KNOW.
YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT.
BUT ME BEING THE OLD COP, THERE ISN'T THAT MOST WOULD BE
DOING.
BUT I AIN'T GOING OUT GIVING NO KIDS TICKETS.
I AM GOING TO TAKE IT TO YOUR MAMA'S HOUSE BUT YOU CAPTAIN
SAY NOT HAVE ANY CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE
KNUCKLEHEADS, THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WHATEVER THEY
WANT TO DO NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT TO AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE
TO TAKE A LITTLE OF THAT CANDY MONEY.
I WOULDN'T SAME $75.
I THINK $15 WOULD BE ADEQUATE.

THAT'S NOT A BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY BUT LITTLE KIDS, YOU TALK
ABOUT TEENAGERS ARE KIDS, AND I CAN LOOK AT ABOUT 10 OR 15
BUCKS AS A WAKE-UP CALL.
BUT IT COULD BE REPETITIVE.
I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A FIRST-TIME
OCCURRENCE, EVEN THE SECOND, AND THEN AT THE END, $10 OR 15.
BUT I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT NOT DOING ANYTHING.
1:58:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES?
1:58:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M FINISHED.
1:58:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I FEEL LIKE COUNCILMAN GUDES, AND WHAT
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SKATEBOARDERS BUT WE ARE FORGETTING
THAT THE SKATEBOARDERS AREN'T THE ONLY ONES ON THE SIDEWALK.
FOR EVERY SKATEBOARDER THERE'S AT LEAST 500 PEOPLE WALKING
OH IT SIDEWALK ON AND OFF.
SO ONE WAY THIS WAY, ONE WAY THIS WAY, YOU HAVE GOT PEOPLE
WALKING EAST AND WEST, ONE GOING EAST, ONE COMING WEST, AND
YOU HAVE A SKATEBOARDER COMING ON BOTH SIDES.
NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, I'M SURE.
I REST MY CASE.
1:59:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, AND LET'S HAVE LAST
ROUND OF QUESTIONS, OR LAST ROUND OF STATEMENTS.
1:59:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SPEAK AS A BICYCLIST ON THE
RIVERWALK.
I USE IT CONSTANTLY, AM THERE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.
AND, YOU KNOW, MOST CYCLISTS I SEE ARE PRETTY GOOD.

I JUST BOUGHT MYSELF A NEW BELL FOR ANY NEW BIKE THAT DIDN'T
HAVE ONE SO YOU RIPPING IT AND LET PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU
SEE TO MOVE OVER, AND ENCOURAGING SKATEBOARDERS TO SAY
SOMETHING.
BUT ULTIMATELY, OFTENTIMES, I HATE TO SAY IT, IT'S THE
PEDESTRIANS WHO ARE THE WORST BECAUSE THEY WALK LIKE -- ON
RIVERWALK.
AND YOU SAY EXCUSE ME.
EXCUSE ME.
AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT AND YOU SLOW DOWN.
SO THAT'S WHAT A SKATEBOARDER WOULD DO.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MOW PEOPLE OVER.
KID DON'T WANT TO MOW PEOPLE OVER.
WE AREN'T SEEING SKATEBOARDING WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER.
I JUST DON'T SEE THIS AS AN ISSUE.

I WANT TO MENTION AS SOMEBODY WHO REGULARLY UTILIZES THE
RIVERWALK, THE CYCLISTS -- AND I'VE SEEN SKATEBOARDERS ON
THERE -- ARE GOOD ABOUT JUST WAITING UNTIL SOMEONE PASSES
AND THEN THEY CAN SAFELY PASS.
IT'S JUST ABOUT BEING A GOOD CITIZEN.
AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REGULATE GOOD
CITIZENSHIP.
IF WE HAD, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
2:01:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?

WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
2:01:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE GET YOUR CONTENT --
2:01:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MY OPINION IS SKATEBOARDING IS NOT ILLEGAL.
2:01:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WOULD YOU MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND THE FINE
ALTOGETHER?
WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
2:01:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I ALREADY SAID THAT MY OPINION IS THAT
SKATEBOARDING IS NOT ILLEGAL.
2:01:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE COME BACK
WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, THAT JUST TAKES IT OFF.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE DEFINITION OF IT
BEING ALLOWED TO BE -- I MEAN --
2:01:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SPEAK YOUR PIECE THERE, SIR.
2:01:42PM >> SORRY, AS A LEGAL ADVISOR, I HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY I
BELIEVE THERE IS A NEED FOR A SKATEBOARDING ORDINANCE.
I'VE REVIEWED A LOT OF CASE LAW, SO THE REASON THE
LEGISLATURE CREATED THE EXEMPTION FOR THE SKATE PARKS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT IS TO ENCOURAGE SKATING AT THE SKATE PARKS.
NOT ON THE SIDEWALKS.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS AND A
SKATEBOARDER SUES THE CITY, RIGHT?
AND DOES TRICKS AND DOES WHATEVER AND WE SAY, OH, WE DON'T
HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS PROHIBITING SKATEBOARDING, WE ARE
SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR LAWSUITS.
I'M JUST BRINGING THAT OUT THERE.

THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REGULATION OF SKATEBOARDING.
2:02:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN THAT THOUGHT PATTERN, THE STATE CAME OUT
WITH THIS WHEN?
2:02:29PM >> SKATEBOARDING?
2:02:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:02:33PM >> I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
SKATEBOARDING HAS BEEN PROHIBITED --
2:02:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FIVE YEARS AGO, TEN YEARS AGO?
20 YEARS AGO?
2:02:41PM >> 20 YEARS AGO.
2:02:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
WE ARE SUCH AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW THAT SOMEBODY
THAT NEEDS TO GET FIVE BLOCKS AWAY TO WHERE THEIR JOB MAY
BE, A SKATEBOARDER IS GOING TO BE THE QUICKEST, EASIEST WAY
TO GO.
WITH THE PRICE OF GAS, SOME PEOPLE ARE RELYING NOW ON
SKATEBOARDS.
TIMES ARE DIFFERENT.
I'M SORRY.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:03:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE
REDUCE IT, THEN, TO A WARNING.
NOT TAKE IT OFF THE BOOKS FROM A NOTICE TO APPEAR, JUST TAKE
IT DOWN TO A WARNING.

YEAH, AT LEAST SOMETHING.
THE POLICE OFFICER HAS THE DISCRETION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M
GOING TO TAKE YOU HOME.
I'LL TAKE YOUR BOARD.
DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S PROPERTY DAMAGE, THEN THAT'S A
SEPARATE THING.
COULD AN OFFICER THEN CHARGE SOMEBODY THERE?
THAT'S COVERED.
BUT, AGAIN, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE, AND THAT'S IT.
BUT WE HAVE SOMETHING.
SO IN THE CASE THAT WE ARE SUED, WE HAVE SOME KIND OF
PROTECTION.
AGAIN, THE MOTION WOULD BE TO REDUCE IT FROM A NOTICE TO
APPEAR TO JUST A WARNING.
NO FINES.
JUST A WARNING.
2:04:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:04:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE THESE LAWS ON THE BOOKS FOR
SCOOTERS?
DO WE HAVE THEM FOR BICYCLISTS?
2:04:09PM >> YEAH, SURE.
2:04:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST SINGLING
OUT SKATERS HERE.
AND IF WE DON'T -- AND IF WE DO HAVE LAWS FOR SCOOTERS AND

BICYCLISTS, IF WE COULD JUST LUMP SKATEBOARDERS AND
ROLLERBLADERS AND ROLLER SKATERS AND ONE-WHEELERS AND ALL OF
IT TOGETHER.
2:04:32PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
THE CHAPTER 316, AS I GAVE A BRIEF
OVERVIEW, ALREADY DISCUSSES BIKES, E-BIKES, MOTORIZED
SCOOTERS.
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS, THOUGH, THERE IS A SPECIFIC
SECTION IN 316 THAT SAYS SKATES, ROLLER SKATES ARE NOT
ALLOWED ON THE STREETS, BUT THE CITIES CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW
THEM ON SIDEWALKS.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE CITIES TRADITIONALLY
DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW ON SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE
PEDESTRIAN USE, PRIMARILY, BUT SHOULD THE CITY ALLOW OTHER
THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY CITIES HAVE REGULATED SKATES ON SIDEWALKS
BECAUSE THEY ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE ON THE STREETS.
BIKES CAN BE ON THE STREETS.
BIKES CAN BE ON BIKE PATHS.
SKATES CANNOT.
2:05:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS NOT MY QUESTION, THOUGH, AND I
APOLOGIZE IF I WAS NOT CLEAR.
MY QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE LAWS ON THE BOOKS THAT FINE
SCOOTER RIDERS AND BIKE RIDERS?
2:05:27PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
UNDER CHAPTER 316 THERE ARE ALREADY
PROHIBITIONS THAT RESULT IN A CIVIL CITATION.

PLUS WE HAVE OUR MOTORIZED SCOOTER ORDINANCE FOR SIDEWALKS.
2:05:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR WHAT?
2:05:36PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
FOR BIKES?
2:05:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, WHAT ARE THOSE CITATIONS?
2:05:40PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
THE AMOUNT OF THE FINE IS I BELIEVE IT'S
GOING TO BE $30.
2:05:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE JUST PUT SKATEBOARDS IN WITH THAT?
2:05:47PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
THAT'S UNDER STATE LAW.
IT'S UNDER CHAPTER 316.
2:05:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE CHOOSE TO JUST FOLLOW THE SAME LAW
THAT WE USE FOR SCOOTERS AND BICYCLES AND ONE-WHEELS?
I MEAN, DOESN'T THAT SEEM FAIR?
I'M NOT THRILLED WITH IT, BUT IF WE'RE ALREADY ALLOWING $30
FINES FOR BIKES AND SCOOTERS, I MEAN, I STILL REALLY -- I
DON'T CARE FOR THE FINES INVOLVED WITH SKATEBOARDING.
2:06:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY MOTION STILL STANDS.
2:06:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[INAUDIBLE]
2:06:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:06:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY MOTION WOULD BE TO NOT ELIMINATE THIS
ORDINANCE, BUT TO REDUCE IT FROM A NOTICE TO APPEAR TO JUST
A WARNING.
THAT'S IT.
2:06:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU'RE STILL SECONDING?

2:06:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
2:06:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:06:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO IF WE DO THIS, WHAT HAPPENS THE SECOND
AND THIRD TIME?
DO THEY STILL GET FINED?
IS IT STILL JUST A WARNING?
2:07:00PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
THAT'S UP TO CITY COUNCIL.
2:07:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DIDN'T KNOW IF CHANGING THE FIRST ONE
WOULD CHANGE WHATEVER --
2:07:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:07:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE TRULY IF
YOU'RE GRINDING ON CITY PROPERTY OR PUBLIC/PRIVATE PROPERTY,
YOU CAN STILL GET A CRIMINAL MISCHIEF FINE FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT IS A GRAND SOLUTION AND I SUPPORT IT.
THANK YOU.
2:07:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:07:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
NOT HAVING ANY CONSEQUENCES, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
IF YOU SAID A WARNING AND THEN A SUBSEQUENT AFTER THAT,
MAYBE 10, 12 BUCKS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT
NO FINE AT ALL.
EVEN IF YOU PUT IT IN THE BICYCLE CHAPTER, THE BICYCLE
CHAPTER ALREADY SAID IT'S $30.
IF YOU PUT IT IN, PAY $30.
I'M SAYING MAYBE 10 OR 12 BUCKS.

YOU JUST CAN'T SAY I'LL STOP YOU ONE DAY, SAME GUY DOING IT
EVERY, EVERY DAY AND WE DON'T -- YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE
ANY SENSE.
2:08:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S GO TO A VOTE, PLEASE.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:08:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
2:08:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:08:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:08:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
2:08:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:08:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:08:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:08:25PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND GUDES
VOTING NO.
2:08:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I'M SORRY.
2:08:33PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
POINT OF CLARIFICATION THERE.
SO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE REDUCE -- WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE,
REDUCE IT DOWN TO A WARNING IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?
2:08:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S CORRECT.
2:08:42PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID:
THANK YOU.
2:08:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

2:08:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WE ARE ALSO THEN MAKING IT LEGAL TO SKATE
ON THE SIDEWALK, CORRECT?
2:08:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF YOU'RE GETTING A WARNING FOR SKATING ON
THE SIDEWALK, THEN IT'S NOT LEGAL.
OKAY.
LET'S GO -- NOW, CHIEF TRIPP, YOU'RE HERE?
YES, I SEE YOU BACK THERE.
LET'S GO TO 8, 9, 10.
AGAIN TO BE HEARD TOGETHER BUT VOTED ON NECESSARY
SEPARATELY.
2:09:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING ON NUMBER 10 BECAUSE I
THINK THIS WILL SAVE TIME?
2:09:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SURELY, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:09:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HI, CHIEF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
FOR NUMBER 10, WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTING, AND I SPOKE
TO CHIEF BENNETT ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, WAS A PANEL OF
CITIZENS PICKED BY COUNCIL, MAYOR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, TO
SEE ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR POLICIES HOLISTICALLY ON
MENTAL HEALTH IN A WIDE ARRAY OF AREAS.
SO I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO GO -- THE MEMO WAS WONDERFUL, AND
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
BUT I THINK THAT BY GOING THROUGH IT, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON
WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
AGAIN, WONDERFUL INFORMATION, BUT IN OTHER WORDS, I WOULDN'T

WANT YOU TO GO ON TO SOMETHING IF I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION
THAT KIND OF TAKES IT IN ANOTHER DIRECTION.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT PLEASES THE CHAIR, I WOULD -- UNLESS
IF CHIEF TRIPP WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT, OBVIOUSLY WITHIN
YOUR DISCRETION, BUT THAT'S IT.
2:10:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:10:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I READ THE MEMO.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING AN OUTSIDE PANEL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICIES AS IT RELATES TO POLICE AND
FIRE, MENTAL HEALTH.
I THINK YOU'LL RUN INTO SOME UNION ISSUES.
2:10:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE HEAR OUR STAFF REPORT AND WE'LL GO
FROM THERE?
2:10:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WAS SAYING, WE CAN HEAR THE STAFF REPORT,
THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED SO I CAN LET HIM KNOW
WHERE ISSUES ARE AT.
2:10:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AFTER WE HEAR THE STAFF REPORTS, WE CAN GO
INTO QUESTIONS, ANSWERS, COMMENTS, ISSUES, EVERYTHING.
CHIEF TRIPP.
2:11:03PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
BARBARA TRIPP, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
MY APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY.
I WAS AT ANOTHER MEETING.
DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT 10 FIRST?

IT WILL BE QUICK BECAUSE BASICALLY WITH THAT, IF YOU'RE
LOOKING FOR A PANEL TO TALK ABOUT FIRE AND POLICE MENTAL
HEALTH, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING INTERNAL AS OPPOSED
TO EXTERNAL BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE THE ONLY ONE THAT
KNOWS KIND OF WHAT WE GO THROUGH.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I'LL GET BACK WITH CHIEF
OF STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION AND COME UP WITH A PANEL TO
ADDRESS THAT.
I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO EXTERNALLY.
2:11:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:11:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
YOUR-ALL'S INTERNAL POLICIES THAT'S NOT LIMITED TO THAT, IT
COULD BE DEALING WITH THE WAY EMPLOYEES DEAL WITH THE
PUBLIC, ET CETERA.
PARKS AND RECREATION, BENEFITS, JUST OVERARCHING DEALS WITH
MENTAL HEALTH, NOT LIMITED JUST TO POLICE AND FIRE.
BUT, AGAIN, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS THE ADMINISTRATION'S
POSITION ON THAT.
SO IF YOU ALL ARE OPPOSED TO THAT AND GIVE ME A GOOD REASON
AS TO WHY IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA THEN MAYBE I WOULD BE LIKE,
HEY, YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT POINT.
THAT'S ALL.
I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER TODAY.
2:12:18PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE POLICY WE HAVE NOW,
THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE WORKS, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR

FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE ATU BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
THEY HAVE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE CITY POLICY FOR ANY CITY
EMPLOYEE TO FOLLOW THROUGH THAT PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE.
AND YOU SPECIFY PUBLIC SAFETY, SO THAT'S WHY FIRE AND POLICE
PUT THEIR ADDITIONAL SYSTEM THAT WE PUT IN.
2:12:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE.
AGAIN, I DON'T RECALL -- ACTUALLY, I DO BELIEVE WHAT I
RECALL I MOTIONED FOR.
I THINK IT WAS FOR AN OVERARCHING POLICY OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, NOT JUST POLICE AND FIRE.
SO THAT'S WHY I SPOKE TO JOHN BENNETT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY
BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE THERE WAS MISCOMMUNICATION ON THIS.
AGAIN, ALL I'M LOOKING FOR TO SEE IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S
POSITION ON IT.
AND IF THERE IS A REASON TO NOT DO IT, THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO
WITHDRAW IT.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT PUBLICLY DISCUSSING IT AT THIS TIME KIND
OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF GOING INTERNALLY, ET CETERA.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, SO I THINK -- LIKE I SAID,
THE MEMO IS NOT AT LEAST RELATED TO WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR,
IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
2:13:25PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
OKAY.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN OVERALL CITY POLICY.
2:13:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

2:13:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WASN'T ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED --
2:13:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ON AGENDA
ITEM 10.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS TALKING ABOUT.
2:13:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I JUST KNOW THE HISTORY.
I THINK THE CHIEF KNOWS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME, MR. VIERA, CONVINCING THE
UNION.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, YOU
TALK ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE AN OUTSIDE PANEL TALKING ABOUT
THEIR HEALTH CONDITIONS AND MENTAL HEALTH, I'M JUST SAYING I
DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET ON CAMERA SAYING WHY, BUT I KNOW WHY
THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM QUICKLY.
I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO ADVOCATE GETTING THINGS IN PLACE.
AND THERE ARE THINGS IN PLACE IF SOMEONE IS HAVING A PROBLEM
OR THEY SEEM DISTRESSED, BUT YOU HAVE OUTSIDE SOURCE COME IN
AND EVALUATE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS.
2:14:33PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROGRAM THAT
WE HAVE OR WITH THE ASSISTANCE THAT WE HAVE.
2:14:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:14:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
AGAIN, WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION PUBLICLY ON SOMETHING THAT
SHOULD PROBABLY BE HELD PRIVATELY.

I'M NOT ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO BE EVALUATED.
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THINGS LIKE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE THE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS WHO WORK FOR TAMPA
POLICE DEPEND, RIGHT?
CAN WE BETTER FUND THAT?
THAT'S JUST ONE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT DOING ANALYSIS OF EMPLOYEES OR ANYTHING OF
THAT.
IT'S ABOUT POLICIES.
THAT'S IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD REQUEST, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I CAN
MAKE A MOTION AT THE END TO PUT THIS TO ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE
I THINK THIS IS --
2:15:21PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, TOO, IS THERE A
PROBLEM?
IS THE SYSTEM BROKEN?
2:15:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
LIKE I SAID, CHIEF, LET'S HAVE THIS PRIVATELY.
I SPOKE TO CHIEF BENNETT ABOUT THIS.
I'LL SPEAK TO HIM DURING THE MEETING ABOUT THIS AS WELL, BUT
THIS IS FOR A PRIVATE CONVERSATION.
2:15:36PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
OKAY.
NO PROBLEM.
2:15:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
2:15:38PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
THANK YOU.
2:15:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH

AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 8 AND 9, CHIEF?
2:15:47PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I BELIEVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 REFERS TO THE
MONEY, THE FUNDING FOR NEW TAMPA.
I SENT A MEMO IN.
2:16:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WERE YOU SATISFIED WITH
THAT MEMORANDUM?
2:16:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DO WANT TO BRING THIS THING BACK BECAUSE
THERE ARE SOME REQUESTS FOR MORE TIME, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM
WITH THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A SPECIFIC TIME ON THAT,
WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE FINE WITH.
WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF NEW TAMPA, 33647, AS YOU
KNOW, THE ISSUE IS NOT NUMBER OF CALLS.
IT'S POTENTIAL RESPONSE TIMES, PARTICULARLY WITH K-BAR RANCH
AREA.
IN THE MEMO, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE SAYS THEY NEED MORE TIME, I'M
TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A TIME WHEN THAT
ANSWER IS GOING TO COME BACK TO US.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT, IF I MAY.
FOR NORTH TAMPA, AND SPEAKING TO YOU, YOU'RE POTENTIALLY
LOOKING AT FOWLER AREA POTENTIALLY FOR A NEW STATION AND
YOU'RE LOOKING AT REAL ESTATE OUT THERE, ET CETERA.
AGAIN, YOU NEED MORE TIME ON THAT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH
THAT AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, MY MAIN ISSUE IS THAT WE HAD A MILLION DOLLARS IN
THE BUDGET FOR DISTRICT 7 FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, RIGHT?
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW HOW THAT MONEY IS GOING
TO BE SPENT BECAUSE THERE ARE REAL ACUTE NEEDS IN DISTRICT 7
WHENEVER IT COMES TO TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, AND I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE KEEP ON THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO MOTION FOR THIS TO COME BACK TO US ON
DECEMBER 15th.
AGAIN, IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, ASK, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
2:17:19PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
CAN I COMMENT ON BOTH OF THEM?
OKAY.
SO AS FAR AS -- FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT
WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND FOR GETTING THE NEED OUT THERE OF
HELPING THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN RESPONDING
TO THE CALLS.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE MONEY FOR DISTRICT 7, THOSE MONIES, AS
I STATED BEFORE, IS GOING TO BE USED TO PUT ADDITIONAL
RESOURCES UP THERE TO ASSIST.
WHEN I REVIEWED -- IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DATA.
WE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S NOT THE RESPONSE CALL -- THE NUMBER OF CALLS; IT IS THE
RESPONSE TIME.
SO WHEN I BROKE DOWN THE CALLS, A LOT OF THAT DEALS WITH
NONEMERGENCY CALLS.

AS I EXPLAINED THE A, B, C AND D CALLS.
WITH THAT, I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF WE CAN PARTNER WITH
NONEMERGENCY UNITS TO SEE IF THEY CAN STAGE SOMEONE WITH THE
CALL RESPONSE TIME AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR TAMPA
FIRE RESCUE IN THAT AREA.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT BOXES.
262 AND 263 WHICH IS IN K-BAR.
WE KNOW IT'S ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.
ALSO WORKING WITH MOBILITY AND THE COUNTY TO SEE ABOUT
GETTING AN ACCESS ROAD OFF OF MORRIS BRIDGE.
NOW, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, BEEN IN THIS POSITION
FOR 16 MONTHS, HELPING OUT THE NORTH TAMPA AREA, WE FINALLY
GOT STATION 25, AND THAT LEADS INTO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEMS
ABOUT STATION 24 AND 25.
SO IT TOOK US A YEAR TO GET THAT STATION UP AND RUNNING,
WHICH HAS HELPED OUT THE NORTH TAMPA AREA.
THE CALL VOLUME HAS EQUALIZED AMONG THE UNITS UP THERE,
WHICH SHOWS ALSO THE UNIT HOUR UTILIZATION FOR EACH
INDIVIDUAL HAS DECREASED, WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
FOR.
I'M LOOKING TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
ONCE AGAIN, IT TOOK A YEAR FOR THAT, SO IT WILL TAKE TIME TO
CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, MOVING IT ALONG.
NOW, WITH THAT, WE TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL.
I HAVE HIRED OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THE LAST YEAR.

I DO MULTIPLE HIRING GROUPS TO GET OUR STATS UP AND OUR
NUMBERS UP TO HELP ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED FOR
THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT IS MY GOAL.
NOW, WHEN YOU SAY TIME, WE HAVE -- I WORKED WITH THE REAL
ESTATE DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE LOOKED AT -- THEY HAVE DONE ABOUT 25-PLUS SITES THAT
WE HAVE HAD NO GOOD LUCK ON AS FAR AS PURCHASING.
AND THAT HAS ALSO BEEN A CONCERN AND ISSUE, TOO.
WE TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OF IT AND WE TALK ABOUT THE
LOCATION.
WE JUST CAN'T PUT IT ANYWHERE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS DO A KNEE-JERK REACTION
AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT IS NOT NEEDED.
SO I'M STRATEGICALLY LOOKING TO FIND THE PERFECT SPOT TO PUT
THIS TO HELP THE NORTH TAMPA AREA AS WELL AS ASSIST THE
COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA, NOT JUST NORTH
TAMPA.
I'M DOING THE SAME THING FOR SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, AND
DOWNTOWN TAMPA AS WELL.
2:19:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:19:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OBVIOUSLY, NOT LOOKING FOR A KNEE-JERK
REACTION, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS THE MILLION DOLLARS
THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO DISTRICT 7.
2:20:04PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
YES, SIR.

2:20:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
WE PROPOSED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER
PLAN FOR ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WHENEVER IT COMES FOR
POLICE AS WELL AS FIRE.
THAT INCLUDES SOUTH OF GANDY.
THAT INCLUDES SULPHUR SPRINGS, EAST TAMPA, SOUTH TAMPA,
NORTH TAMPA, NEW TAMPA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO MAKE IT SEEM AS IF I'M JUST LOOKING OUT
FOR DISTRICT 7.
I'M LOOKING AT THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE PASSED IN THE
BUDGET AND TO SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO TO ADDRESS THE
DEFICITS THAT WE HAVE IN DISTRICT 7.
VERY SIMPLE.
I DON'T WANT MY MOTION TO BE MISCONSTRUED.
2:20:37PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
SO WITH THAT, I AM ALSO PUTTING A HEAVY
RESCUE UNIT UP IN THE 3347 BECAUSE THE NEED FOR -- TO
RESPOND TO THE INTERSTATE AS WELL AS AREAS UP THERE, I AM
LOOKING.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A HEAVY RESCUE ON ORDER THAT'S GOING TO
ASSIST WITH THE FUNDING OF THAT MILLION DOLLARS AS WELL AS
PUTTING ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO OFFSET THAT UNIT AS WELL AS
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, WHETHER IT BE NON-TRANSPORT OR
TRANSPORT UP IN THE 33647 AREA.
2:21:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
GREAT.
I'LL MOTION FOR THAT TO COME BACK.

I CAN DO IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING OR NOW, SIR.
2:21:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:21:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
WE STARTED THE JOURNEY BACK IN 2019 WITH LITTLE STATION 10.
A LOT OF WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THAT ONE AS WELL.
BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THINGS MOVING OVER THERE.
I'M GRATEFUL WE DID GET A PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE COME BACK
AND TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AREAS AND THE RELIEF UP THERE
WITH THE NEW STATION, WITH THE REMODEL STATION THAT HELPS
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
MEMBER VIERA SHARED SOME OF THAT BOUNDARY THERE.
WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
I TELL YOU, YOU HIT THE GROUND RUNNING FROM DAY ONE, AND YOU
HAVEN'T LOOKED BACK.
I'M VERY PROUD TO SAY TO CALL YOU FIRE CHIEF BECAUSE YOU'VE
DONE A HECK OF A JOB.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE'RE STILL ON WITH YOU AND THE UNION
TOMORROW AT 10.
I THINK IT'S IN MY CALENDAR.
I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE, IS THAT CORRECT?
2:22:03PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
YES, SIR.
2:22:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUES WE'LL TALK
ABOUT.
2:22:07PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
YES, SIR.
2:22:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

SEE YOU TOMORROW MORNING AT 10.
2:22:12PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
THANK YOU.
2:22:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I GUESS WE ARE NOW GOING TO TALK ABOUT
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:22:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT'S ALL THE SAME.
2:22:23PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
IT IS COMBINED.
WITH STATION 24 AND 25.
THAT WAS A GREAT MOVE FOR STATION 25.
2:22:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?
2:22:32PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
NO, SIR.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
2:22:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 13, FILE CM22-77271.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:22:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS WAS MY MOTION, AND JUST TO SET IT UP,
CITY ATTORNEY HAS SENT US A MEMO AND AT THE END OF THE MEMO
IT SAYS THAT ON PAGE 4, CONCLUSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT
SHOULD CITY COUNCIL -- I'LL PARAPHRASE -- WANT TO REGULATE
SETTLEMENT DECISIONS, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT IS TO LIMIT ONLY THE ONES ABOVE $100,000 AND THE
ONES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH CITY COUNCIL.
UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PRESENTATION
HERE, I WOULD SAY -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK
THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE TO DELEGATE CITY

COUNCIL'S AUTHORITIES AS DEFINED IN CHARTER SECTION 7.02 AND
8.01 TO SIGN CONTRACTS FOR LAWSUIT SETTLEMENTS UNDER 100,000
AND TO MAKE PAYMENT FOR THOSE SETTLEMENTS UNDER 100,000
WITHOUT APPEARING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
LAWSUITS AGAINST CITY COUNCIL OR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD
NOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS EXEMPTION.
THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE RENEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS TO BE
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION ON DECEMBER
15.
2:24:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
2:24:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M GOING TO SAY I HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD THE
PRESENTATION FROM MS. ZELMAN.
I WILL SAY THIS, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
MY DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF.
2:24:34PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
AND IF I MAY, IN ORDER TO RESPOND TO THAT
MOTION, CAN I GET A COPY OF IT?
BECAUSE IT WAS HARD TO FOLLOW.
IF YOU HAVE A COPY --
2:24:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T HAVE A COPY HERE, BUT I CAN MAKE
ONE.
2:24:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO READ THE REPORT, AND I THINK YOU'RE
JUST MAKING A MOTION OFF OF WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM
THE REPORT WERE, CORRECT?
2:25:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AND THE REPORT WAS SENT TO US A COUPLE

OF WEEKS AGO.
I WAS TRYING TO SAVE TIME.
YOU WANT TO HEAR A PRESENTATION, FINE.
I WAS TRYING TO GET A CHARTER AMENDMENT RELATED TO THIS AND
THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO IT BY ORDINANCE AND
SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDE, AS THE DOCUMENT SAYS HERE, EXCLUDE
ITEMS UNDER 100,000 AND ANY RELATED CITY COUNCIL.
I'M FOLLOWING THOSE GUIDELINES AND PUSHING THE ORDINANCE.
2:25:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. ZELMAN.
2:25:24PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WHAT IS THE WISH OF COUNCIL?
DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE MEMO OR DO YOU WANT ME TO
RESPOND TO THAT MOTION OR DO YOU WANT ME JUST TO TAKE THE
MOTION AND WE'LL BRING YOU BACK SOMETHING IN RESPONSE TO THE
MOTION?
I KNOW WE'RE SHORT ON TIME TODAY.
2:25:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THIS IS STAFF REPORT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID HE'S HAPPY WITH IT.
I'VE LOOKED AT IT, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD STAFF'S SIDE OF IT.
AND WE HAVE A VIEWING AUDIENCE AND PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN
CHAMBERS THAT MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THE MEMO.
2:25:50PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
OKAY.
JUST TO BE CLEAR --
2:25:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT?
2:25:54PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YEAH.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF SIDES VERSUS SIDES.

THE QUESTION WAS UNDERSTANDING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ROLE WITH
REGARD TO THE APPROVAL OF SETTLEMENTS.
AS I EXPLAINED IN THE MEMO, UNDER THE CHARTER, THE CITY
ATTORNEY HAS MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL OF ALL LEGAL MATTERS OF
THE CITY.
LEGAL MATTERS INCLUDE THE SETTLEMENT OF LAWSUITS, WHICH
TYPICALLY OCCURS IN THE MAJORITY OF CIVIL CASES.
I WENT ON TO EXPLAIN THAT WE HAVE AT ANY GIVEN TIME HUNDREDS
OF CASES.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM ARE PERSONAL INJURY LAWSUITS
ARISING FROM MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS OR TRIP AND FALL ON
CITY PROPERTY.
AND I WENT ON TO EXPLAIN THAT WHEN GINA GRIMES TOOK OVER AS
CITY ATTORNEY IN 2019, SHE ESTABLISHED WHAT I THINK IS A
VERY GOOD PROCESS WHEREBY WE HAVE A SETTLEMENT COMMITTEE
MADE UP OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, A DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY,
REPRESENTATIVES OF RISK MANAGEMENT, AND THEN THE ASSISTANT
CITY ATTORNEYS THAT ARE ACTUALLY THE TRIAL ATTORNEYS IN
THESE CASES.
AND WE REVIEW PROPOSED SETTLEMENTS AT GREAT LENGTH ONCE A
MONTH.
AND TYPICALLY, THE TIMING OF THOSE REVIEWS ARE DRIVEN BY THE
ATTORNEY HAS AN UPCOMING MEDIATION, SO THEY NEED AUTHORITY
TO HAVE SOME DOLLAR AMOUNT TO PROPOSE AT MEDIATION OR THERE
IS A HEARING UPCOMING OR WORST-CASE SCENARIO THERE IS A

TRIAL COMING UP.
AND AT THOSE SETTLEMENT CONFERENCES, WE GO THROUGH ALL SORTS
OF DETAILS.
THE PLAINTIFF'S AGE, THEIR MARITAL STATUS, THEIR EARNING
CAPACITY BEFORE AND AFTER THE INCIDENT.
THE CREDIBILITY OF THE WITNESSES.
ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT FACTOR INTO THE DECISION AS TO HOW
MUCH ANY PARTICULAR LAWSUIT SHOULD BE SETTLED FOR.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY REACH A DETERMINATION AND HAVE THAT
SETTLEMENT AUTHORITY.
NOW, JUST TO CUT TO THE QUICK, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR.
CARLSON IS ASKING FOR IS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO BE INVOLVED IN
APPROVING SETTLEMENTS.
SO WHAT I HAD SUGGESTED WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF TWO THINGS,
ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE HE'S COMBINING THEM BOTH, AND
THAT IS EITHER JUST BRINGING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR SETTLEMENT
APPROVAL THOSE LAWSUITS THAT INVOLVE AN ACTION THAT COUNCIL
TOOK.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE SEVERAL YEARS AGO COUNCIL PASSED AN
ANTI-CONVERSION ORDINANCE THAT WAS FOUND -- ANTI-CONVERSION
THERAPY ORDINANCE.
IT WAS FOUND TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
WE NOW HAVE A DEMAND FOR ATTORNEYS' FEES FOR WHICH THE CITY
IS LIABLE.
THE DEMAND IS FOR $2 MILLION.

WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING THAT SETTLEMENT.
BUT WHEN WE DO REACH A SETTLEMENT AMOUNT, IT'S GOING TO BE
PROBABLY PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO COUNCIL.
ONE LITTLE PIECE I LEFT OUT OF THIS IS FOR COUNCIL TO
DISCUSS SETTLEMENTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A SHADE
MEETING UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES.
AND THAT'S AN EXEMPTION TO THE GOVERNMENT IN THE SUNSHINE
LAW WHERE WE HAVE TO NOTICE THE MEETING, BUT THEN WE HAVE IT
IN PRIVATE WITH JUST YOUR ATTORNEYS PRESENT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER PRESENT.
WE DISCUSS THE SETTLEMENT.
WE REACH AGREEMENT.
ONCE THE CASE IS CONCLUDED, THAT MEETING, THE TRANSCRIPTS OF
THAT MEETING BECOME PUBLIC RECORD.
JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT WOULD BE THE MANNER IN WHICH
SETTLEMENTS WOULD BE DISCUSSED AT CITY COUNCIL UNLESS YOU
WERE SIMPLY TO APPROVE A SETTLEMENT ON CONSENT AGENDA.
AGAIN, IF YOU PULL IT OFF CONSENT, THEN THAT TRIGGERS THE
SHADE MEETING.
SO, AGAIN, MY TWO PROPOSALS WERE JUST BRING YOU THE
SETTLEMENTS THAT PERTAIN TO CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS, I'M
SORRY.
AGAIN, AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU PASS, AN ACTION THAT YOU TOOK,
THE LAND USE THINGS TEND TO COME BACK TO YOU ANYWAY BECAUSE

TYPICALLY PEOPLE INVOKE THE FLUEDRA PROCESS OR IF THEY FILE
A PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI, IN ANY EVENT THEY
TYPICALLY COME BACK TO YOU WITH A NEW PROPOSED REZONING
PLAN, OR WHATEVER, WHICH YOU THEN HAVE TO APPROVE AT A
PUBLIC MEETING ANYWAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER CATEGORY I THINK I REFERRED TO WAS MAYBE
-- AND I CAN'T THINK OF A PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, BUT SOMETHING
IN MY GUT TELLS ME THIS MAY HAPPEN SOMEDAY, THAT THERE IS A
LAWSUIT WHERE MAYBE FUTURE SIMILAR ACTIONS COULD BE
PREVENTED IF CITY COUNCIL WERE TO ACT LEGISLATIVELY, SO IT
WOULD MAKE SENSE TO BRING THAT KIND OF SETTLEMENT TO YOU.
AND THEN MY OPTION TWO -- THANK YOU -- IN THE MEMO WAS,
AGAIN, JUST GO WITH THE DOLLAR THRESHOLD.
AND THERE CURRENTLY IS AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS THAT HAS A
$25,000 OR MORE THRESHOLD.
MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO INCREASE THAT TO 100,000.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH TWO THINGS.
ONE, LOOKING TO THE EAST, THAT'S THE THRESHOLD OF MATTERS
THAT GO TO THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS.
ANYTHING BELOW THAT THEY CAN SETTLE WITHOUT BOARD APPROVAL.
AND THAT'S ALSO THE THRESHOLD THAT COUNCIL HAS SET FOR
APPROVAL OF CONTRACTS.
CONTRACTS OF 100,000 AND ABOVE HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL.
CONTRACTS BELOW THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO.

AGAIN, IT SOUNDS AS IF WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS PROPOSING
IS SORT OF A COMBINATION OF BOTH OF THOSE.
WE COULD WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT WAY.
WHATEVER IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
2:31:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:31:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BACK IN MY DAY, I REMEMBER ON THE
CONSENT AGENDA WE WOULD HAVE -- I KNOW, NOT THAT LONG AGO.
WE WOULD HAVE LAWSUIT SETTLEMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO
APPROVE.
I REMEMBER ONE WAS LIKE $60,000.
AND THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ON IT.
IT WAS JUST ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THEN THAT
DISAPPEARED.
NOT THAT I RECALL LATELY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, MAYBE THREE
OR FOUR YEARS, THAT THAT HAS APPEARED ANYMORE.
WAS THAT AN EXECUTIVE DECISION OR FROM A PAST CITY ATTORNEY?
2:32:23PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I ATTACHED THIS TO THE MEMO.
BACK IN I BELIEVE 2018, SAL TERRITO HAD WRITTEN A LEGAL
OPINION.
AUGUST 16th OF 2018, A LEGAL OPINION INTERPRETING 5.01 TO
PROVIDE THAT SETTLEMENT OF LAWSUITS DID NOT NEED TO BE
APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
AND, THEREFORE, THAT WAS WHEN THEY STOPPED BRINGING THEM.
2:32:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
ONE LAST QUESTION.

THIS IS TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON'S MOTION.
TO DELEGATE CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY AS DEFINED IN THE
CHARTER, AND IT CITES THE SECTIONS, TO SIGN CONTRACTS FOR
LAWSUIT SETTLEMENTS UNDER 100,000.
MEANING THE CHAIRPERSON WOULD SIGN THOSE, CORRECT?
JUST LIKE WE DO ON ANYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH THE CONSENT
AGENDA.
2:33:09PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YEAH, SO I'M -- I WOULD WANT TO FLESH OUT
THIS LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S VERY RARE -- IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE HAVE A SIGNED
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
TYPICALLY, WHEN CASES SETTLE, THE PLAINTIFF WILL SIGN A
RELEASE, AND THE CITY WILL PAY.
SO IT REALLY ISN'T ABOUT SIGNING CONTRACTS OR SIGNING
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS; IT'S BASICALLY JUST AUTHORIZING THE
CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SETTLEMENT AND A PARTICULAR
DOLLAR AMOUNT.
2:33:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOING BACK TO, SIGNED CONTRACTS FOR
SETTLEMENTS UNDER A HUNDRED AND TO MAKE PAYMENT FOR THE
SETTLEMENTS UNDER 100,000 WITHOUT APPEARING BEFORE CITY
COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
IT DOESN'T COME TO US BUT WE SIGN IT, SO HOW DO WE VOTE ON
IT?
2:33:58PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YOU WOULDN'T BE SIGNING.

YOU WOULDN'T BE SIGNING ANYTHING.
THE MAYOR WOULDN'T BE SIGNING ANYTHING.
2:34:02PM >> YOU'RE DELEGATING.
2:34:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:34:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:34:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M REALLY CONFUSED.
WE SAT HERE FOR HOURS ON END ON TUESDAY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
HARDLY ANY QUESTIONS, BUT TODAY WE HAVE A BUNCH OF
QUESTIONS.
MS. ZELMAN TALKED ABOUT WHEN YOU NEED TO GO INTO A CLOSED
SESSION.
I MADE MENTION OF THAT.
I MADE MENTION ABOUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
I MADE MENTION THAT LAWSUITS, PER THE ORDINANCE OR CHARTER,
WHAT I READ IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL
FROM HR SO WE KNOW HOW MANY LAWSUITS HAVE BEEN SETTLED.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LIST THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME.
IF THEY ARE DOING SETTLEMENTS.
2:34:50PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IF I MAY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY SHELBY MADE
ME AWARE YESTERDAY THAT IN 2006, THE COUNTY APPROVED -- THE
COUNTY -- THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING
HR SETTLEMENTS BETWEEN 10,000 AND 25,000 DOLLARS TO BE
REPORTED TO COUNCIL ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

APPARENTLY, THE REASON NONE OF US KNEW ABOUT THAT WAS THAT
MUNICODE NEVER PUBLISHED THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'S NEVER BEEN FOLLOWED.
I WOULD STRONGLY -- WHATEVER RESULT COMES FROM TODAY, WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO AMEND THAT PART OF THE CODE ANYWAY.
I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO REMOVE THAT PART OF
THE 2006 ORDINANCE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
THERE ARE PLAINTIFFS' ATTORNEYS THAT KEEP DATABASES OF WHAT
DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS WILL PAY FOR A NUISANCE SETTLEMENT.
IF YOU GET A TRIP AND FALL IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, I CAN
TAKE YOUR CASE AND I CAN GET YOU $5,000 WITHOUT HAVING TO DO
ANYTHING.
THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE.
BUT THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS ADVERTISE TO THE
PLAINTIFFS' BAR WHAT WE'RE SETTLING SOME OF THE -- IF I TELL
YOU HOW MANY CASES WE GET ALL THE TIME, AND THE CASES I'M
TALKING ABOUT ARE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY FILE SUIT.
THERE'S THAT MUCH AND MORE THAT GO TO RISK MANAGEMENT THAT
ARE SETTLED BEFORE A SUIT IS EVEN FILED.
TO PUBLISH, TO MAKE PUBLIC IN AN EASILY OBTAINABLE DATABASE
ALL THOSE CLAIMS IS NOT AT ALL IN THE CITY'S INTEREST.
2:36:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN
WE FIND THAT THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN MUNI OR
THINGS POSTED DONE.

I CAN RECALL BACK WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE AUDIT, THAT WAS
NEVER DONE, BUT VOTED ON AND PASSED BUT HADN'T BEEN
INPUTTED.
THESE ARE THE SMALL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, AND WHEN WE
HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS COUNCIL, IT'S LIKE WE'RE THE BAD
PERSON.
WE'RE NOT THE BAD PERSON.
THIS IS WHAT PUT INTO PLAY, BUT NO ONE IS FOLLOWING THE
RULES.
LET ME FINISH, MS. ZELMAN.
OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE, PROTECT THIS HOUSE OF THE CITY AND
MAKE SURE THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHEN WE BE BIG BROTHER, DON'T
FOLLOW THE RULES, THEN WE'RE THE BAD PEOPLE.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE WAY THIS GOVERNMENT IS
RUNNING HERE.
WE BRING UP THINGS THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT ARE WRONG, BUT WE
CONTINUE TO SHOW A BLIND EYE TO THEM.
AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE BAD, WHEN THAT ISSUE MAY COME UP
TWO, THREE YEARS.
EVENTUALLY IT MAY COME UP AGAIN.
YET, WE DIDN'T FIX IT THE LAST TIME.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE THAT TO ME SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT
DOING OUR JOB THAT THE PUBLIC ENTRUSTED US TO DO.
THEY ENTRUST US TO FIX THE ISSUES WHEN THEY COME BEFORE US,

AND THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOT FIXED.
TODAY, I SEE THIS ITEM HERE THAT WE COULD HAVE DEALT WITH ON
TUESDAY.
WE COULD HAVE DEALT WITH IT.
THE BOTTOM LINE, SETTLEMENTS NEED TO COME TO THIS COUNCIL SO
WE CAN KNOW WHAT EVERYONE IS DOING.
2:37:59PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WELL, IF I MAY, ON TUESDAY YOU WERE
DISCUSSING CHARTER CHANGES.
THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE A CHARTER CHANGE.
2:38:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M SAYING WE COULD HAVE DEALT WITH THIS
STILL ON TUESDAY.
2:38:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DEAL WITH IT NOW.
2:38:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:38:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT HAPPENED ON TUESDAY IS THAT FOLKS SAID,
WELL, JUST MAKE IT AN ORDINANCE INSTEAD.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE IN THIS
DOCUMENT.
THE ISSUE WHICH I DESCRIBED THE OTHER DAY IS THAT THERE IS
THIS 2018 MEMO FROM SAL TERRITO AS CITY ATTORNEY, TWO
PARAGRAPHS THAT CHANGE THE CHARTER.
SOME OF THE MEDIA COVERAGE THE OTHER DAY SAID WE WERE TRYING
TO EXPAND THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
NO, THIS IS A CASE WHERE IN 2018, A CITY ATTORNEY IN TWO
PARAGRAPHS TOOK AWAY THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A COPY OF IT IN A
SECOND, BUT I HAD MR. SHELBY DO SOME RESEARCH.
AND THERE'S PLENTY OF EXAMPLES OF THIS.
BUT IN 2006, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED THAT
MS. ZELMAN JUST REFERRED TO THAT GIVES THE CITY ATTORNEY
POWERS BELOW 25,000.
IF IN 2006 AND PAM IORIO SIGNED IT, IF IN 2006 THE CITY
COUNCIL DELEGATED AUTHORITY BELOW 25,000 AND NO CHARTER
AMENDMENTS WERE MADE BETWEEN 2006 AND 2018 IN THAT REGARD,
WHY DID THE CITY ATTORNEY SUDDENLY MAKE AN OPINION THAT'S
ADVERSE TO AN ORDINANCE THAT THE MAYOR AT THE TIME IN 2006
SIGNED AND WAS OKAY WITH?
SOMETHING ELSE WAS GOING ON.
WHAT I WANT TO DO -- AND I CAN READ THIS AGAIN.
I THINK YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF IT.
WHAT I WANT TO DO BASED ON WHAT YOU ALL SAID THE OTHER DAY
IS PASS AN ORDINANCE, FOLLOWING MS. ZELMAN'S GUIDELINES, BUT
THE KEYWORD HERE, I DON'T CARE IF YOU ALL FOLLOW HER ADVICE
AND MAKE IT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
I PULLED IT FROM HER.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S FINE WITH
ME.
THE NUMBER ONE WORD I WANT IN HERE IS "DELEGATE."
THAT IS TO PROTECT THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL THAT WERE
TAKEN AWAY BY THIS 2018 MEMO.

WE CANNOT ALLOW POWERS TO BE TAKEN AWAY.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY NEW POWERS, BUT THE POINT IS THAT
IF THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO SIGN CONTRACTS AND PAY
PAYMENTS, LOOK IN THE CHARTER, 7.02 AND 8.01, WE HAVE THOSE
POWERS.
I CAN READ THIS DOCUMENT.
NOWHERE UNDER THE POWER -- 5.01, NOWHERE IN THE POWERS OF
THE CITY ATTORNEY DOES IT SAY THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE
RIGHT TO SIGN CONTRACTS OR PAY PAYMENTS.
IT SAYS THE CITY CAN NEGOTIATE.
BUT NEGOTIATE DOES NOT MEAN SIGN CONTRACTS AND PAY.
JUST LIKE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE CAN NEGOTIATE A LEASE, BUT WE
HAVE TO APPROVE THE LEASE.
WE HAVE -- THE MAYOR'S OFFICE CAN NEGOTIATE A SALE OF A
BUILDING, BUT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT AND THE
PAYMENT OF IT.
IF THE CITY ATTORNEY NEEDS FLEXIBILITY ON HR ISSUES, OR
WHATEVER, WE CAN ADD THAT IN HERE.
BUT WE MUST HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SUPERSEDES THIS LETTER
FROM 2018 THAT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT IT'S OUR POWER AND WE'RE
DELEGATING IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU.
2:40:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:40:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
I'M GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID ON TUESDAY,

WHICH IS I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE IN THE CHARTER IF WE CAN
LOOK AT IT REASONABLY BY VIRTUE OF ORDINANCE.
AND I'LL REPEAT WHAT I SAID ON TUESDAY, WHICH IS THAT A LOT
OF SETTLEMENTS, TO HAVE A POLICY THAT BRINGS ALL CITY OF
TAMPA SETTLEMENTS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL WOULD PUT AT RISK OUR
LEGAL CLAIMS AND WOULD SUBJECT THE CITY TO MORE LAWSUITS.
PLAINTIFFS' ATTORNEYS -- I'VE NEVER BEEN ONE.
I'VE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR 19 YEARS, ALWAYS DONE DEFENSE
WORK.
GOD BLESS THE PLAINTIFFS BAR.
BUT THEY HAVE SITES THAT TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN GET FROM
DIFFERENT INSURANCE COMPANIES, FROM DIFFERENT CORPORATE
ENTITIES, FROM DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTAL BODIES, ET CETERA.
IF WE START TO PUBLISH THAT INFORMATION THROUGH CITY COUNCIL
SETTLEMENT SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL QUESTIONING, IT WILL BE A
GIANT "KICK ME" SIGN ON THE BEHIND OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR
THE PLAINTIFF'S BAR.
THAT'S A FACT.
WHENEVER YOU DEAL WITH SETTLEMENTS, YOU'RE ALSO DEALING WITH
THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL.
THE IMPRESSION THAT A PLAINTIFF MAKES.
THE IMPRESSION THAT A DEFENDANT DRIVER MAKES OR A CITY OF
TAMPA EMPLOYEE.
SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY KNOWS ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE
CASE THAT IS NOT PUBLIC YET THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE

PUBLIC, BUT THE FORMS, THE RATIONALE FOR A SETTLEMENT.
DIVING SO DEEP INTO THOSE ISSUES, AGAIN, THIS ORDINANCE
PROPOSED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, 100% FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S
REASONABLE AND IT PICKS THOSE CASES THAT ARE LARGER OR THE
ONES THAT ORIGINATE FROM OUR ACTIONS, I'M 100% FINE WITH
THAT, BUT IT SAVES THE CITY AGAIN FROM HAVING THAT GIANT
"KICK ME" SIGN ON THE BEHIND FROM MORGAN AND MORGAN.
GOD BLESS MORGAN AND MORGAN.
I HAVE A LOT OF CASES WITH THEM.
THANK YOU.
2:42:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:42:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CITY ATTORNEY.
IT'S NOT 2018 ANYMORE.
I DISAGREE WITH THE OPINION OF 2018, AND I THINK THIS IS THE
RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY.
AGAIN, I MENTIONED WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, WE WOULD SEE THE
SETTLEMENTS, 60,000, 50,000, SMALLER AMOUNTS, BUT THEY WOULD
COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SEE THEM.
I NEVER REMEMBER ANY TYPE OF DISCUSSION; HOWEVER, IT WAS IN
PLAIN VIEW.
SOMEBODY COULD PULL THE AGENDA AND SAY, "OH, THEY ARE
SETTLING FOR WHATEVER."
AND THEY KNEW ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF NOT BEING VISIBLE AS IT

USED TO BE BEFORE.
SO I DISAGREE WITH THE OPINION OF THE FORMER CITY ATTORNEY.
I THINK THIS IS WISE AND IN THE NAME OF TRANSPARENCY, AND IT
JUST TAKES US BACK TO HOW THINGS USED TO BE WHEN IT WAS MORE
TRANSPARENT EARLY ON WHEN I GOT ELECTED.
AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS.
SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.
2:43:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:43:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY.
I BELIEVE MR. GUDES WAS BEFORE ME.
I WAS BLOCKING HIM.
2:43:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AM I RECOGNIZED, SIR?
2:43:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:43:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
AND I REFLECT BACK ON TUESDAY.
A CHARTER VERSUS AN ORDINANCE.
LIKE A SHELL GAME.
THIS IS NO DIFFERENT, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD -- AND IT
SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD TODAY
WITH MR. CARLSON'S ORDINANCE, A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
TO ME IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN 6.03, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
APPOINTMENTS VERSUS THE CHARTER VERSUS AN ORDINANCE.
SO I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO
BRING THE APPOINTMENT SITUATION BACK AS AN ORDINANCE, MR.
SHELBY.

I NEED YOU TO GET ME THE LANGUAGE FOR THAT, BECAUSE I WILL
BE MAKING A MOTION AS IT RELATES TO BRINGING THAT BACK
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO PLAY THE SHELL GAME OF WE DON'T
WANT TO TOUCH THE CHARTER, THE CONSTITUTION, VERSUS AN
ORDINANCE SITUATION TO CHANGE THINGS, THEN I'LL PLAY THE
GAME.
BUT TO ME IT'S A SHELL GAME THAT I SEE THAT'S GOING ON HERE.
I WILL SUPPORT BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORITY SHOULDN'T BE
TAKEN AWAY.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DELEGATE.
2:45:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:45:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITH THIS NEW ORDINANCE THAT IS BEING
PROPOSED SUPERSEDE THIS 2006, 100?
2:45:10PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YEAH.
SO THE CONCEPT WOULD BE TO AMEND THAT PART OF THE CODE,
WHICH CURRENTLY SETS THE LIMITS AT 25,000, AND THEN AGAIN
TALKS ABOUT THE REPORTS ON THINGS BETWEEN 10 AND 25.
2:45:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, SO THAT'S --
2:45:24PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
-- TO AMEND THAT.
2:45:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
GOOD.
I'M LOOKING AT THE CLEANUP OF THIS.
THAT WOULD CLEAN THAT UP.
EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU.

THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.
2:45:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY MORE CONVERSATION?
2:45:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE NO PROBLEM -- [INAUDIBLE]
2:45:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
TO CLARIFY, WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
2:45:47PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF I MAY, I'M READING
MR. CARLSON'S MOTION, AND, AGAIN, MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO
AMEND CHAPTER 2, THE WAY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT -- SOME OF THE
LANGUAGE IN HERE I'M NOT SURE IS RELEVANT.
SO IT WOULD BE -- BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WHEN WE BRING BACK
A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
NEVER MIND.
I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION.
2:46:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ALSO.
IN TERMS OF SUPERSEDING, ORDINANCES USUALLY SAY SUPERSEDE
PREVIOUS ORDINANCES, BUT DO WE ALSO NEED TO PUT IN THERE
SPECIFICALLY THAT IT WOULD SUPERSEDE THE 2018 OPINION?
2:46:31PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I THINK I'M GOING TO NEED TO PROVIDE YOU
WITH SOMETHING, BASICALLY REVISING AND RESTATING THE 2018
MEMO.
I'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
2:46:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
2:46:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, CLARIFY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE
FLOOR MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THAT WAS SECONDED BY
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, AGENDA ITEM 14, THAT WAS YOUR MOTION.
2:47:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, GUDES-MANISCALCO.
2:47:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
FILE CM22-74625.
2:47:25PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
LONG TIME NO SEE.
ITEM NUMBER 14, YOU ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE
COULD COME UP WITH WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP WITH THE PROBATE --
HELP RESIDENTS WITH PROBATE PROCESS.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU AND I HAD CONVERSATION ON OR BRIEFING
EARLIER THIS WEEK.
I MAINTAIN THAT THE PROBATE PROCESS IS A PRIVATE LEGAL
MATTER THAT THE CITY CANNOT INTERFERE WITH.
WE ARE WORKING -- MET WITH -- ATTORNEY JOHNS, ABBYE FEELEY
AND MYSELF MET WITH KELLA McCASKILL THAT HAD SOME IDEAS ON
WHAT WE COULD DO WITH PROBATE PROCESS.
A LOT OF IT IS BEING PROACTIVE AND MAKING SURE THE CITIZENS
AND RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE WITH PROPERTY
BEFORE IT ACTUALLY ENTERS INTO THE PROBATE.
THE IMPORTANCE OF ESTATE PLANNING.
AS A PART OF OUR TENANT SERVICES TEAM, WE ARE WORKING WITH
MS. McCASKILL TO PUT ON A WORKSHOP IN SECOND QUARTER OF

2023.
WE PUT OUT SOME DATES.
HOPING TO HAVE IT AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, AND WE
HAVE A DRAFT AGENDA FOR WHAT THAT DAY MAY LOOK LIKE.
ALL OF THAT IS REALLY PREMISED AROUND BEING PROACTIVE,
EDUCATING CITIZENS ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN -- WELL,
DIFFERENCES IN ESTATE PLANNING.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WILL, A TRUST, AND HOW DO WE HANDLE
REAL ESTATE.
THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ON THE BRIEFING THIS WEEK, WE
TALKED ABOUT CLOUDED TITLE OR KEEPING PROPERTIES IN
CIRCULATION, PARTICULARLY IN HOUSING, AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT I SHARED WITH YOU IS THAT DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR ALIS
DRUMGO IS WORKING ON SETTING UP A CLT.
YOU'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT SOON.
THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
THE CITY SHOULD NOT, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND STRONGLY AGAINST
IT, ENTERING INTO PRIVATE LEGAL MATTERS TO FIGURE OUT
PRIVATE ISSUES REGARDING REAL PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, IF WE WERE IN A POSITION WHERE WE WANTED CLEAN
TITLE, GET THAT PROPERTY AND BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN A CLT TO
PROTECT IT FOR AFFORDABILITY AT A LATER TIME, THOSE ARE
THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
SO THERE IS A FINE LINE THAT WE HAVE TO WALK REGARDING A
PUBLIC PURPOSE AND NOT PAYING FOR PRIVATE SERVICES FOR

PRIVATE BENEFIT.
2:50:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I RESPOND?
2:50:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:50:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TELLING
ME.
I STILL CONTEND THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME TYPE OF PILOT PROGRAM
WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME DOLLARS WITH SOME CRITERIA FOR THOSE
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INDIGENT, WHO ARE HAVING ISSUES THAT
CAN'T EVEN GET TO COURT, WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND A PROCESS.
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE HOUSES THAT HAVE BECOME
DILAPIDATED OR HAVE SQUATTERS IN THERE INCURRING CODE FINES
AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
2:50:35PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
SO --
2:50:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN
NAVIGATE SOME OF THAT.
2:50:40PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING LIKE THAT, IT PUTS ME
IN THE REAL ESTATE MIND.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SQUATTERS AND BLIGHTED PROPERTY,
IN THE CRA WORLD, YOU PURCHASE PROPERTIES FOR STRATEGIC
ACQUISITION.
AND IF I WAS TRYING TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY THAT'S ENCUMBERED
WITH MULTIPLE HEIRS -- LIKE THE TITLE IS KIND OF CLOUDED.
YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THAT STUFF OUT.
THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE CRA TO PLAY THAT WE COULD PROBABLY
OUTSOURCE WITH AN ATTORNEY TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THAT.

THOSE THINGS TAKE A REALLY LONG TIME.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR PEOPLE, HUNT DOWN RECORDS.
BUT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE IN THAT IS TO ELIMINATE THE BLIGHT,
AND IT IS A STRATEGIC ACQUISITION.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING TO DO THAT, WE SHOULD NOT BE CLEARING
THE TITLE SO THAT THE HEIRS CAN THEN DO WHATEVER WITH THE
PROPERTY.
OUR PUBLIC PURPOSE WOULD BE TO CLEAN UP THAT BLIGHT, CLEAR
THE TITLE SO THAT THE CITY CAN PURCHASE THE PROPERTY FREE
AND CLEAR.
PERHAPS PUT IT INTO A CLT.
IT'S MULTI-TRANSACTIONAL.
2:51:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M ALONG THE SAME LINE.
I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A PROCESS TO GET THEM THERE.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
I BELIEVE THE WAY PROCESS TO GET THEM THERE STRATEGICALLY,
THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW TO KNOW, WE CAN HELP THEM KNOW.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO.
I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP WITH A GENTLEMAN THAT
THE CITY WAS IN CONTRACT WITH IN REFERENCE TO THOSE TYPE OF
ISSUES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
HOPEFULLY DURING THAT MEETING WE CAN CLEAR UP A LOT OF THAT
AS WELL.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS SOMEBODY IS ON THE CONTRACT AS

REFERENCED TO DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE HOUSES OR
PROPERTIES THAT HAVE SO MANY LIENS ON THEM.
IT ALL INTERTWINES A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
I'M HOPING DURING THAT DISCUSSION WE WILL GET A LITTLE MORE
INFORMATION.
WHATEVER YOU CAN COME UP WITH, MS. TRAVIS, I KNOW YOU HAVE A
LOT ON YOUR PLATE.
I KNOW YOU DO.
2:52:30PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I'M GOOD.
I'M RELAXED NOW.
2:52:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PEOPLE CAN TELL SOMETHING IS COMING.
EVERYTHING TAKES A MOMENT.
YOU GUYS ARE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE BECAUSE OF THIS CRISIS.
BUT WHEN I HEAR THINGS AND SEE OTHER PLACES DOING THINGS, I
CAN'T NEGATE MY DUTIES BY BRINGING THESE THINGS TO THE
FOREFRONT AND TO YOU TO SEE WHAT CAN WE DO, NOT WHAT WE
CAN'T DO.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN
FINALLY GET SOMETHING MOVING FOR OUR CITIZENS WHO ARE IN
NEED.
2:53:00PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE ONLY THING I -- AGAIN, I LIKE TO SET
EXPECTATIONS, REDEVELOPMENT IS A LONG PROCESS.
THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE QUICK.
BUT AS WE RAMP UP, LIKE YOU HAVE CHARGED US WITH, WITH THE

CRA TO START LOOKING AT STRATEGIC ACQUISITIONS, WE WILL
START LOOKING AT THAT.
YOU LOOK AT PROBLEM PROPERTIES, AND WE'LL BEGIN DOING THAT.
WHAT IS COMING BEFORE YOU SOON IS THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST
AND DECISIONS YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE WITH THAT.
THESE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN WE GET PROPERTIES LIKE THAT TO
KEEP THEM IN CIRCULATION, AND ALSO CONTROL THE AFFORDABILITY
PIECE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME OR, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONGER
PERIOD OF TIME.
THE CLT IS THE WAY TO PURCHASE PROPERTY, CAPTURE IT, AND
KEEP IT IN THERE.
2:53:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ME GOING TO CHICAGO WASN'T IN VAIN.
WE BROUGHT BACK A STRATEGY AND HOPEFULLY IMPLEMENT THAT
STRATEGY.
AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
2:53:55PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE?
2:53:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE
STAFF REPORT?
2:54:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:54:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:54:01PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SHARE.
2:54:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 15, FILE NUMBER CM22-76543.
MS. FEELEY.
2:54:19PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR,

DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 15 ON YOUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON IS DEALING WITH
THE LETTER SUBMITTED BY ISABELLA TASSI ABOUT THE UNIVERSITY
OF TAMPA AND PLANT PARK.
I'M HERE WITH REBECCA JOHNS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, WE'VE
BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE UNIVERSITY TO RENEGOTIATE
SEVERAL LEASES THAT THE CITY HAS WITH UT THAT WERE ACTUALLY
FROM 1972.
AND THEY WERE 50-YEAR LEASES, AND THEY ARE NOW UPON US FOR
RENEWAL.
SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT.
THOSE LEASES INCLUDE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MATTERS BETWEEN
THE CITY AND THE UNIVERSITY.
ONE OF THEM IS THE MATTER OF RESERVING THE PARK.
WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ON THAT, AND THOSE LEASE
AGREEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU IN
APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS, SO I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY GO
INTO DETAIL ON WHAT THOSE ARE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT PROCESS, WHAT THE CURRENT PROCESS IS,
HOW PEOPLE RESERVE THAT.
ALSO WHERE THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE PLANT PARK
FACILITY IN TERMS OF PARKING, RESTROOMS, THINGS THAT SOME OF
OUR CITY -- TRADITIONAL CITY PARKS HAVE THAT PLANT PARK DOES
NOT.
SO IF YOU WOULD AFFORD US THAT TIME TO FINISH THOSE

NEGOTIATIONS, WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU WITH THAT AND HAPPY
TO DISCUSS THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
2:55:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:55:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
AND FOR DISCLOSURE, I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
I THINK A COUPLE OF US DID.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE UNIVERSITY PROGRAM -- THE CITY HAS
CONTROL OVER PROGRAMMING.
IF THE CITY WANTED TO HAVE A BIG CONCERT THERE, UT DOESN'T
HAVE ANY SAY IN THAT?
2:56:08PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THEY WOULD.
WE LEASE THE PARK TO THE UNIVERSITY, AND THERE ARE
CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH THAT LEASE EXISTS.
AND IF SOMEBODY DOES MAKE A REQUEST FOR THAT PARK, IT HAS TO
GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURES THE UNIVERSITY CURRENTLY HAS,
INCLUDING INSURANCE, LIABILITY, RESERVATIONS, SOME OTHER
THINGS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, KIND OF TRUEING UP AND WHAT
THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR ANYONE TRYING TO RESERVE THE PARK.
2:56:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
I'LL LET YOU TELL US THE NEXT TIME.
2:56:34PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU.
2:56:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:56:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. FEELEY, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT

YESTERDAY.
WAITING FOR IT TO COME BACK.
AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, A LOT OF THESE LONGTIME LEASES ARE
EXPIRING NOW AND THE TIMES ARE CHANGING NOW, AND WE HAVE TO
UPDATE IT.
I APPRECIATE THE REPORT AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COME BACK
WITH THE REPORT OR THE LEASE AGREEMENTS.
2:56:53PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU.
2:56:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU WERE THE MAKER OF THE
MOTION, DOES THIS REPORT SATISFY YOU?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
2:57:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
44 AND 45, I MOVE THEM BOTH.
2:57:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SORRY.
MR. VIERA HAS PUBLIC SET OF.
HOWEVER, YOU WERE THE VICE-CHAIR.
MR. VICE-CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU
PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
2:57:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE ITEMS 20 THROUGH 35.
2:57:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION.
2:57:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[INAUDIBLE]

2:57:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
MS. HURTAK -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS.
2:57:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I MOVE ITEMS 39 THROUGH 43.
2:57:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:58:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
I MOVE 44 AND 45.
2:58:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUILDING AND ZONING.
2:58:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 46 THROUGH 53.
2:58:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
2:58:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO I NEED TO READ?
2:58:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
THAT WAS MY NEXT STATEMENT.
2:58:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO -- PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE

HELD -- THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 53, BF22-78225.
A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD REGARDING A PROPOSED
BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION FOR THE REHABILITATION AND
REDEVELOPMENT OF ONE PARCEL APPROXIMATELY 3.75 ACRES IN SIZE
LOCATED AT 1000 WEST FIG STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33606.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD IN THE BAYSHORE BOARD ROOM
OF THE SHERATON HOTEL LOCATED AT 200 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE,
TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602, ON NOVEMBER 28, 2022 AT 5:30 P.M.
UNTIL NOT LATER THAN 6:30 P.M.
2:59:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
2:59:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MOVE ITEMS 54 THROUGH 56.
2:59:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
2:59:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:59:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO SET ITEM 57, SU 1-22-60-C,
REVIEW HEARING TO BE SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 15, 2022, AT
1:30 P.M.
2:59:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
2:59:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE

9:30 ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.
2:59:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 58, FILE HL22-76263.
3:00:05PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
THERE WAS A FULL PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM AT ITS FIRST
READING.
I'M STILL AVAILABLE TODAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
3:00:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:00:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS SIGNING THE ITEM MR. GUDES GAVE ME.
THAT WAS NUMBER 58.
3:00:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
I AM SORRY.
WE NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
MY APOLOGIES.
3:00:39PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:00:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:00:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE NUMBER 58, HL22-76263, ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE IN CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, DESIGNATING BUSTILLO
BROTHERS AND DIAZ CIGAR FACTORY LOCATED AT 2111 NORTH ALBANY
AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 3 HEREOF AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, PROVIDING FOR
REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
3:01:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
EXCUSE ME.
VOTE AND RECORD.
WORKING AGAIN.
3:02:00PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:02:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WERE YOU THINKING ABOUT
COFFEE WHEN YOU READ THIS?
3:02:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS THINKING ABOUT CAFE BUSTILLO.
IN FACT, I BOUGHT SOME THE OTHER DAY.
3:02:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FILE AGENDA 59, NUMBER HTX22-77593.
3:02:34PM >>ELAINE LUND:
ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
AGAIN, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM AT ITS FIRST
READING.
I'M AVAILABLE TODAY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

3:02:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT
WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:02:50PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:02:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:02:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FILE HTX22-77593, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX
EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,
RENOVATION OR REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY
KEVIN B AND WHITNEY M WOODS LOCATED AT 818 SOUTH ORLEANS
AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, IN THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT
BASED UPON CERTAIN FINDINGS; PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO THE
PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY; PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:03:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:03:40PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:03:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 60, FILE NUMBER HTX22-77594.
3:03:52PM >>ELAINE LUND:
ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
COUNCIL, THIS ITEM AGAIN WAS PRESENTED TO YOU AT ITS FIRST

PUBLIC READING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM AVAILABLE.
3:04:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENTS?
3:04:07PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:04:08PM >> SECOND.
3:04:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:04:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER HTX22-77594, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION
APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION, RENOVATION, OR
REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY RICCARDO REIMERS
AND SHALIDA JOHNSON LOCATED AT 5421 (SIC) WEST DALE AVENUE,
TAMPA, FLORIDA IN THE BEACH PARK MULTIPLE PROPERTIES
DESIGNATION LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, BASED UPON CERTAIN
FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING
FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:05:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:05:03PM >> EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

THE OTHER ONE WAS SUBSTITUTE.
THE ADDRESS IS 4521.
3:05:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
APOLOGIES, 4521.
3:05:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:05:24PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:05:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 61, FILE VAC-22-20.
THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TESTIMONY OR GIVING ANY
EVIDENCE TO ANY OF THE REMAINING CASES, COULD YOU PLEASE
STAND TO BE SWORN IN?
3:05:56PM >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT
TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
3:06:02PM >> I DO.
3:06:03PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
3:06:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I DID SEE PEOPLE IN LINE BEING SWORN IN
ALSO.
MR. SAMONS.
3:06:11PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
VAC-22-20 FOR SECOND READING.
THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING.
THE PROPOSAL TO VACATE THE ALLEYWAY LYING NORTH OF COLUMBUS
DRIVE, SOUTH OF 17th AVENUE, EAST OF 29th STREET AND
WEST OF THE CSX RAILROAD WITHIN THE CORRECTED MAP OF
GREENVILLE SUBDIVISION.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
3:06:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, MA'AM, ARE YOU THE APPLICANT?
3:06:40PM >> YES, I AM.
3:06:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER TESTIMONY YOU WOULD
LIKE TO GIVE?
3:06:44PM >> NONE.
3:06:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO GIVE ANY
COMMENT TO THIS?
I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE PERSON ONLINE, BUT THAT PERSON -- OH,
NO.
YOU ARE HERE.
3:06:57PM >> THAT'S ME.
3:06:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S YOU.
3:07:00PM >> I COULDN'T DO IT THIS MORNING, SO I CAME IN.
3:07:05PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:07:06PM >> SECOND.
3:07:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:07:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
AT NORTH OF COLUMBUS DRIVE, SOUTH OF 17th AVENUE, EAST OF
29th STREET AND WEST OF THE CSX RAILROAD WITHIN THE
CORRECTED MAP OF GREENVILLE SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND
REPEALING CONFLICTS.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:07:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:07:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:08:03PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
3:08:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 62, FILE NUMBER VAC-22-21.
MR. SAMONS.
3:08:13PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
PRESENTING FILE NUMBER VAC-22-21.
THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST BEING PRESENTED FOR

SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
IT IS PROPOSED VACATING OF THE ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF
23rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF 24th AVENUE, EAST OF THE CSX
RAILROAD AND WEST OF 31st STREET WITHIN THE PLAT OF LITTLE
CUBA SUBDIVISION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
3:08:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE.
3:08:44PM >>THE CLERK:
THEY WERE ONLINE BUT THEY ARE NO LONGER THERE.
3:08:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO LEARNING THERE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:08:53PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:08:54PM >> SECOND.
3:08:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO ONE?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:09:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NUMBER 62.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
NORTH OF 23rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF 24th AVENUE, EAST OF THE
CSX RAILROAD AND WEST OF THE 31st STREET WITHIN THE PLAT

OF LITTLE CUBA SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND
REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:09:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:09:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:09:58PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:09:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 63, FILE NUMBER VAC-22-23.
MR. SAMONS.
3:10:06PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
PRESENTING FILE VAC-22-23.
THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
THIS PROPOSED VACATING IS AN ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF
GLADYS STREET, SOUTH OF WARREN AVENUE, EAST OF NEVADA AVENUE
AND WEST OF OLA AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF BEN-HUR
SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

3:10:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
APPLICANT?
3:10:33PM >> NOTHING FURTHER.
3:10:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THIS?
3:10:38PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:10:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:10:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, SIR.
LIKE TO MOVE NUMBER 63, FILE NUMBER VAC-22-23, ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
NORTH OF GLADYS STREET, SOUTH OF WARREN AVENUE, EAST OF
NEVADA AVENUE, AND WEST OF OLA AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT OF
BEN-HUR SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND
RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN,
PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS,
PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING
CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN

EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:11:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:11:36PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:11:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 64, FILE REZ-22-58.
3:11:52PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
LOCATION 2806 EAST ELLICOTT STREET.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO
IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN NO SITE PLAN WAS NEEDED.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS?
3:12:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE?
NOBODY IS HERE.
3:12:19PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:12:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE DON'T HAVE A PETITIONER.
3:12:31PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:12:32PM >> SECOND.
3:12:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:12:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
FILE NUMBER 64, REZ-22-58, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
2806 EAST ELLICOTT STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED FROM SECTION 1, ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, TO IG,
INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:13:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:13:24PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:13:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 65, FILE REZ-22-85.
3:13:34PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND LOCATION AT LOCATION 1242
CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 629 AND 635 NORTH 12th STREET.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM CD-2, CHANNEL DISTRICT 2, TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, STOREFRONT
RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND OFFICE.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:14:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?

MS. SCHALER, I SEE YOU ONLINE.
YOU WERE SWORN IN, CORRECT?
3:14:09PM >> I WAS NOT UNMUTED DURING THE SWEARING, SO I PROBABLY NEED
TO BE SWORN IN.
3:14:14PM >>THE CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT
TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
3:14:22PM >> I DO.
ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
APPLICANT.
AS MENTIONED, WE RECEIVED APPROVAL ON FIRST READING
OCTOBER 6, AND WE MADE ALL OF THE REQUESTED REVISIONS AND
RESUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND WE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
3:14:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
SEEING NONE --
3:14:51PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:14:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:14:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
REZ-22-85.

ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
1242 CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 629 AND 635 NORTH 12th STREET
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION
CD-2, CHANNEL DISTRICT 2, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL
AND OFFICE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND ALSO DO WE NEED
TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION WITH IT?
3:15:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AFTER WE TAKE THE VOTE.
3:15:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:15:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:15:42PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:15:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, CAN YOU READ THE
RESOLUTION, PLEASE?
3:15:47PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU WANT ME TO READ IT OR MOVE IT?
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
3:15:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 66, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-94.

3:16:14PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
THE LOCATION 2211 NORTH 65th STREET.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS 50 RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO
IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN WAS REQUIRED.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:16:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
COMMENTS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:16:38PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:16:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:16:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 2211 NORTH 65th STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATIONS RS-50, RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY, TO IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:17:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:17:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:17:17PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:17:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 67, FILE NUMBER SU2-22-08.
3:17:26PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
THE LOCATION 3911 NORTH BOULEVARD.
THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 PERMIT FOR APPROVING A DENTAL
CLINIC IN A RESIDENTIAL OFFICE RO ZONING DISTRICT.
THE SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S
OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:17:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
PETITIONER?
I DON'T SEE ANYONE THAT'S ONLINE.
3:18:03PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:18:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
EXCUSE ME, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
I'M SORRY, MANISCALCO.

3:18:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2, APPROVING
A DENTAL CLINIC IN AN RO RESIDENTIAL OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3911 NORTH BOULEVARD IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1, HEREOF, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:18:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:18:44PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:18:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 68.
FILE NUMBER SU2-22-10.
3:18:54PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
THE LOCATION 3402 HENDERSON BOULEVARD.
THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 PERMIT APPROVING A PLACE OF
RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IN AN RM-24 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
ZONING DISTRICT.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:19:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE?

3:19:31PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:19:34PM >> SECOND.
3:19:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN -- I ALREADY ASKED.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE?
3:19:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S TRUE.
PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
3:19:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO THIS?
3:19:52PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:19:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:20:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2,
APPROVING A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IN A RM-24,
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 3402 HENDERSON BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AND AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
HEREOF, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:20:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:20:33PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

3:20:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 69, FILE REZ-22-06.
3:20:42PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
THE LOCATION 407 EAST PALM AVENUE.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, TO
PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
AND BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:21:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
3:21:10PM >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD AFTERNOON.
WILLIAM MALLOY, 325 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING USEFUL FOR YOU.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM.
3:21:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES
TO SPEAK TO THIS?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:21:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM 69,
FILE REZ-22-06, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION.

AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
407 EAST PALM AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RM-24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND
BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL OFFICE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:22:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:22:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:22:12PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:22:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
FILE NUMBER -- EXCUSE ME, AGENDA ITEM 70, FILE REZ-22-29.
3:22:25PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
LOCATIONS 304, 306, 308 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:22:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
3:22:52PM >> AZAM ELSHEIKH, GLOBAL ENGINEERING, 2302 NORTH HIGHLAND
AVENUE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

3:23:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
3:23:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:23:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:23:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ITEM NUMBER 70, FILE REZ-22-29, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
304, 306, 308 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TO
PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:23:38PM >> SECOND.
3:23:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:23:49PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:23:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 71, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-31.
3:23:58PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT A
LOCATION 4848 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD AND 9214 NORTH HYALEAH
ROAD.
THIS PROPOSED REZONING FROM CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND
RM 24 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
AIR-CONDITIONED STORAGE AND COMMERCIAL COMMUNICATION TOWER.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:24:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
PETITIONER?
3:24:28PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
JIM PORTER WITH AKERMAN, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
3:24:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
3:24:38PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:24:39PM >> SECOND.
3:24:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:24:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
REZ-22-31, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
4848 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD AND 9214 NORTH HYALEAH ROAD IN THE

CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CI, COMMERCIAL
INTENSIVE, AND RM-24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AIR-CONDITIONED STORAGE AND COMMERCIAL
COMMUNICATION TOWER; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:25:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:25:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE VOTE AND RECORD.
3:25:27PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:25:29PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
3:25:30PM >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
3:25:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 72, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-35.
3:25:46PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
THE LOCATION 4208 WEST CARMEN STREET.
THIS PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-50, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

3:26:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
3:26:12PM >> AZAM ELSHEIKH, GLOBAL ENGINEERING, 2302 NORTH HIGHLAND
AVENUE.
HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
3:26:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
3:26:22PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:26:23PM >> SECOND.
3:26:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:26:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER REZ-22-35, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
4208 WEST CARMEN STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:26:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:26:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:27:04PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:27:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 73, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-97 (SIC).
3:27:15PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
22-92.
3:27:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
92.
EXCUSE ME.
3:27:20PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN:
THANK YOU.
ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
THE LOCATION 209 AND 211 SOUTH GOMEZ AVENUE.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, TO
PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, IF NEEDED.
3:27:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
PETITIONER?
IS.
3:27:45PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
RYAN MANASSE, JOHNSON POPE, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND WE WOULD RESPECT YOUR
APPROVAL.
3:27:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?

SEEING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:28:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
209 AND 211 SOUTH GOMEZ AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16, RESIDENTIAL,
MULTIFAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:28:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:28:41PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:28:43PM >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
3:28:44PM >> SECOND.
3:28:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 74, FILE NUMBER HPC 2022-02-C.
3:29:06PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ITEM NUMBER 74 IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW REGARDING A DECISION
THAT WAS MADE BY ONE OF THE LAND USE BOARD HEARINGS,
SPECIFICALLY HPC 2022-02 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1314
SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE.
THE PETITIONER IN THIS CASE ASKED A REQUEST OF THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION STATUS FOR
THE PROPERTY AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, 1314 SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HEARD THE REQUEST ON
JUNE 14th, 2022, AND DENIED THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE
DESIGNATION OF THE STATUS OF THE PROPERTY FROM CONTRIBUTING
TO NONCONTRIBUTING.
BASED UPON THE PROPERTY MEETING THE NATIONAL REGISTER
BULLETIN NUMBER 15, SPECIFICALLY CRITERIA C, AND THAT THE
PROPERTY MAINTAINS ITS ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES TO CONVEY
ENOUGH SIGNIFICANCE AND HOLDS ON TO THE ASPECTS OF THE
INTEGRITY THAT ARE VITAL.
I PREVIOUSLY HANDED CITY COUNCIL OR TO CITY COUNCIL'S
ATTORNEY CODE SECTION 27-261 SUBSECTION J.2.A, 27-261
SUBSECTION I, THE NATIONAL REGISTER BULLETIN, NUMBER 15, I
PROVIDED SAMPLE MOTIONS AND ALSO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE IN
ORDER TO CONDUCT THE HEARING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
THE STANDARD FOR REVIEW FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS

BASED UPON CITY CODE SECTION 27-61 SUBSECTION J, SUBSECTION
2, WHICH STATES THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE A DE NOVO
STANDARD OF REVIEW IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THIS REVIEW HEARING.
THAT MEANS THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT BE LIMITED IN ITS
REVIEW TO THAT INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE THAT
WAS PROVIDED TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IN
ORDER TO MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION.
STAFF PRESENT THIS AFTERNOON IS MS. ELAINE LUND.
SHE WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND THE
BASIS OF THE BOARD'S DECISION.
UPON HEARING ALL OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE, CITY COUNCIL
CAN TAKE A NUMBER OF ACTIONS.
CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND DENY THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE
DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
NONCONTRIBUTING BASED UPON THE PROPERTY MEETING THE CRITERIA
ESTABLISHED IN NATIONAL REGISTER OF BULLETIN NUMBER 15.
CITY COUNCIL CAN REMAND THE MATTER BACK TO THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION COMMISSION WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTION OR CITY
COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THEREFORE GRANT THE REQUEST TO
CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
NONCONTRIBUTING BASED UPON THE PROPERTY NOT MEETING THE
CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO STAFF.

3:32:09PM >>ELAINE LUND:
ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
AS CAMARIA STATED, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
THERE WE GO.
I SEE THAT YOU ARE SEEING IT ON YOUR SCREEN BUT IT'S TOTALLY
DIFFERENT IN FRONT OF ME HERE.
3:32:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, WE ARE.
3:32:35PM >>ELAINE LUND:
SO AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE STATED, 1314 SOUTH
DESOTO AVENUE, WE'RE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, CLASSIFIED AS
A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO BOTH THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
DISTRICT ON THE NATIONAL AND THE LOCAL LEVEL.
THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS AFFORDS THE STRUCTURE PROTECTION
FROM DEMOLITION AND MAKES SURE IT IS PRESERVED IN ACCORDANCE
WITH OUR LOCAL AND FEDERAL PRESERVATION STANDARDS.
THE APPLICANT TODAY MADE -- HE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD BEFORE
YOU TODAY, EXCUSE ME, MADE A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE STATUS
FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING, AND THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION COMMISSION HEARD THIS -- THANK YOU -- REQUEST
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ABLE TO -- SORRY, THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION COMMISSION HEARD THIS REQUEST AND THEN THE HPC
DECIDED AT ITS PUBLIC HEARING SO THE PETITIONERS FILED FOR
REVIEW.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT AGAIN.
IT'S CLOSE TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT,
YOU CAN SEE AN ARROW POINTING TO IT.
IT'S ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY FROM HOWARD AVENUE, AND BAYSHORE

BOULEVARD.
THE SITE WAS -- THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1921.
IT'S SHOWING ON THE 1922 SANBORN PRIOR INSURANCE COMPANY
MAP, ON THE WEST SIDE, AND THEN ON THE PRESENT DAY AERIAL ON
THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
THE SANBORN MAP INDICATES THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING,
ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WAS CONSTRUCTED OUT OF SOME SORT OF
MASONRY CONSTRUCTION AND CLAY TILE.
THE SECOND STORY INDICATED IN THE YELLOW IS A WOOD FRAME
SECOND STORY PORTION, AND IT WAS MOST LIKELY USED AS A
SLEEPING PORCH.
YOU CAN LIKELY SEE A SMALL PORCH IN YELLOW THERE AS THE
SOUTH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, AND INTERESTINGLY,
THIS HOUSE ALSO HAD AN ENCLOSED GARAGE TO ITS REAR.
THIS IS A MAP OF HYDE PARK FROM ABOUT 1923.
THE ROAD THAT GOES FROM THE TOP LEFT OF THE SCREEN TO THE
BOTTOM RIGHT IS HOWARD AVENUE, AND THEN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD
IS KIND OF OFF TO YOUR RIGHT ON THE SIDE THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH HISTORIC FABRIC REGARDING IN PLACE
REGARDING HYDE PARK AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE IN THAT
PHOTOGRAPH, AND IT'S PRESENT-DAY APPEARANCE HERE.
MOST NOTABLY, THE SECOND STORY HAS EXPANDED SINCE 1923.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN MAKE OUT A BIT IN THE AERIAL
PHOTOGRAPH.

THE FRONT PORCH AREA IN THE FRONT FACING -- SORRY -- THIS IS
ON THE CORNER OF DESOTO AND HILLS, AND THE BUILDING LOOKS
LIKE IT'S FACING HILLS AVENUE AND ADDRESS ON DESOTO AVENUE,
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A ONE-STORY PORTION ALONG HILLS
AVENUE THAT TODAY IS A TWO-STORY PORTION.
THE 1931 SANBORN MAP SHOWS THAT THE SECOND STORY HAS BEGUN
TO SORT OF EXPAND A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS HILLS AVENUE.
THAT YELLOW AREA IS A BIT LARGER THAN IT WAS IN 1922.
AND THEN IN 1976, WE PRETTY MUCH SEE THE SAME THING, THE MAP
IS BLACK AND WHITE THEN BUT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES
TO THE FOOTPRINT OR THE DESCRIPTION NOTATED ON THE BUILDING.
IN 1984 AND 1985, THE SURVEY FOR THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
DISTRICT AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION WERE WRITTEN,
SUBMITTED, AND ACCEPTED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
THIS PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS FROM THE 1984 SITE FILE FORM,
WHEN THE BUILDING WAS DOCUMENTED IN 1984 AND DETERMINED AT
THAT TIME THAT IT WAS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE
DISTRICT, AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE THE PRESENT-DAY PHOTO
ON THE LEFT THERE SHOWING HOW THE TWO COMPARE.
ONE NOTABLE CHANGE IS THAT THE GARAGE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON
THE LEFT, TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PICTURE AND THE RIGHT, WAS
ENCLOSED AT SOME POINT BETWEEN 1984 AND TODAY.
THESE ARE JUST PICTURES OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING,
AND THE EAST ELEVATION AND THE NORTH.
SO THE MAP ON YOUR LEFT, THE ONE IN COLOR, SHOWS YOU THE --

THIS IS THE NATIONAL REGISTER MAP OF THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
DISTRICT, AND THEY ARE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ ESPECIALLY
WHEN WORKING WITH THINGS WHERE IT STANDS IN PAST DECADES
HERE, BUT THE BLUE LINE SHOWING THE NATIONAL REGISTER
DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
THE RED SHOWS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
THE YELLOW IS AN INTERESTING CATEGORY CALLED CONTRIBUTING
BUT ALTERED STRUCTURES.
AND THEN THE BLUE SHOWS THE NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
WHEN THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS ADOPTED IN 1988, WITHIN
THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, ALL OF THE
CONTRIBUTING ALTERED STRUCTURES WERE SIMPLIFIED TO BE
CONTRIBUTING.
ONE THING OF NOTE ABOUT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IS THAT WHEN
YOU HAVE A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S A REGULATORY TOOL,
AND WE USE THE CODE AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE
DISTRICT TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT AS A
WHOLE.
THE ALTERED BUILDINGS THAT WERE STILL CONSIDERED TO BE
CORRECTING WERE DETERMINED TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL AND
LOCAL HISTORIC TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, SO THE CHANGES TO THE
BUILDINGS WERE NOTED.
HOWEVER, THEY WERE MADE CONTRIBUTING TO ENCOURAGE THE
REHABILITATION.
SO FOR THE LOCAL TAX PROGRAM, ANY OTHER EXTERIOR WORK, THE

ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION WOULD BE THE BOARD IN CHARGE
OF OVERSEEING THE CHANGES TO ENSURE THAT ANY WORK WOULD BE
DONE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.
THESE ARE JUST THE MAPS AS THEY WERE UPDATED THROUGH THE
YEARS.
WE DO MINOR CHANGES TO THE MAPS TO REFLECT ANY NEW
CONSTRUCTION IN THE DISTRICT, ANY DEMOLITIONS.
IN 1992 THE BUILDING WAS STILL SHOWN AS CONTRIBUTING AND IN
2017 OUR LATEST UPDATE TO THE MAP IT WAS STILL SHOWN AS
CONTRIBUTING.
SO WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT ITSELF IS
CONSIDERED THE SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY, AND IT'S A
CONCENTRATION OF STRUCTURES UNITED.
HISTORICALLY OR AESTHETICALLY BY THE PLAN OR DEVELOPMENT AND
THE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS IN THE DISTRICTS MADE THEMSELVES
LACK INDIVIDUAL DISTINCTION.
THIS HOUSE ON ITS OWN WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD
LOOK AT AS A POTENTIAL HISTORIC LANDMARK.
THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT IS LARGELY A RESIDENTIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL SUPPORT USES WITHIN IT.
IT HAS A WIDE VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND CONTAINS A
MIX OF HIGH SCHEDULE BUILDINGS AND OTHER STRUCTURES.
1314 SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE IS CLASSIFIED AS A CONTRIBUTING
STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THE TIME IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT

RETAINED MOST OF ITS ORIGINAL PHYSICAL CHARACTERS AND COULD
BE RETURNED WITH A REASONABLE EFFORT AND COST TO ITS
HISTORIC FORM.
THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION THAT HAS THE CONTRIBUTING
ALTERED STATUS IN IT WENT ON TO ELABORATE THAT IT GAVE
EXAMPLES SUCH AS ENCLOSING PORCHES, MAKING ENTRANCE TO
ADDITIONS, THESE SORTS OF CHANGES TO A BUILDING WOULD MAKE
IT ALTERED, BUT NOTED THAT THE ALTERED BUILDINGS WERE
ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS.
THE ARC REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO LOCALLY FOR THE
AD VALOREM TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, ENSURES THAT THE
STRUCTURES WILL BE APPROPRIATELY REHABILITATED AND ENABLED
TO CHANGE FOR THEIR CONTINUED USE.
AS STATED MANY OF THE STRUCTURES DO EXHIBIT SOME DEGREE OF
MODIFICATION, BUT THE OVERALL HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE
DISTRICT IS MAINTAINED THROUGH THE COLLECTION OF THE
EXHIBITING CONTRIBUTORS STRUCTURES, AND LOSS OF CONTRIBUTING
STRUCTURES UNDERMINES THE INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT AND
DIMINISHES THE LEGITIMACY.
TO SORT OF RECAP, THE REQUEST IS FOR A CHANGE IN STATUS FROM
CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING, AND THE HPC HEARD THIS
REQUEST ON JUNE 14th OF THIS YEAR AND DETERMINED THAT
1314 SOUTH DESOTO -- SORRY, DETERMINED BY STAFF THAT 1314
SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE WAS BUILT DURING THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
DISTRICT PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE 1985

NOMINATION FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER-LISTED HYDE PARK
HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DETERMINED TO BE CONTRIBUTING BUT AT
ERRED, AND IT HAS BEEN SHOWN AS CONTRIBUTING ON ALL MAPS FOR
BOTH THE LOCALLY DESIGNATED AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF
HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR HYDE PARK.
THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE STRUCTURES HAS BEEN CONSISTENT.
ALTERATIONS TO THE TWO ELEVATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE ENCLOSURE
OF THE GARAGE WERE IN PLACE AT THE TIME THE STRUCTURE WAS
ORIGINALLY DETERMINED TO BE ELIGIBLE AS CONTRIBUTING, AND
THEREFORE STAFF CONSIDERS THAT ITS INTEGRITY HAS BEEN
MAINTAINED.
THE HPC SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN FOR YOU, MRS. PETTIS-MACKLE
STATED, MOVED TO -- VOTED TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
AND THE HPC MOTION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT STAFF MADE TO THE HPC IN JUNE.
AND BASED ON THE RESEARCH AND EVIDENCE AT 1314 SOUTH DESOTO
AVENUE SHOULD RETAIN ITS STATUS AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE
TO THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION NOW.
AT THIS TIME, WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD?
3:44:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A COMMENT BY STAFF.
3:44:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAID THE PROPERTY WAS ELIGIBLE FOR TAX
INCENTIVES BECAUSE OF ITS STATUS.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE CURRENT OWNER, ANY RECENT OWNERS HAVE
BENEFITED FROM TAX DEDUCTIONS?

3:44:23PM >>ELAINE LUND:
I AM KNOW IT AWARE THAT HAPPENED AT THIS
PROPERTY, NO.
3:44:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOES THAT MEAN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN OR YOU JUST
DON'T KNOW?
3:44:29PM >>ELAINE LUND:
I DON'T KNOW.
3:44:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
NO STAFF IS HERE THAT WOULD KNOW THAT, RIGHT?
OKAY.
3:44:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
3:44:38PM >> WE HAVE A PowerPoint TO LOAD, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
JAMIE MAYOR REPRESENTING APPLICANT, 101 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
I AM TRYING TO PUT THE THUMB DRIVE IN.
3:45:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO
THIS AGAIN, EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN SWORN IN THAT IS
GOING TO GIVE ANY TYPE OF TESTIMONY?
THANK YOU.
STILL WAITING FOR I.T. TO BRING UP YOUR PowerPoint.
3:45:59PM >> PRESS PC.
3:46:06PM >>JAIME MAIER:
IT CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE DISTRIBUTED PACKET WITH COPIES OF THE
PowerPoint AS WELL AS A COPY OF A LETTER FROM MR. SAL
FLEISCHMAN ALTHOUGH HE'S HERE TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY LATER IN
OUR PRESENTATION AND ALSO LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM

SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND A MAP SHOWING WHERE THOSE
LETTERS ORIGINATED FROM.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE THAT.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US ON THAT.
AS STAFF EXPLAINED, THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW OF THE
DECISION OF THE HPC TO CHANGE THE STATUS OF THE 1314 SOUTH
DESOTO PROPERTY FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING IN THE
HYDE PARK DISTRICT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAIN ELEVATIONS OF THIS STRUCTURE, THE
WORD CONTRIBUTING EVEN IN ITS MOST BASIC SENSE AND IN ITS
HISTORIC SENSE DOES NOT COME TO MIND.
ACCORDINGLY, THIS IS A DECISION THAT THE HPC STRUGGLED TO
MAKE.
IT WAS A SPLIT 3-2 DECISION.
HOWEVER, THE FIRST MOTION TO DENY FAILED.
THE SECOND MOTION WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THAT FAILED.
AFTER A LOT OF DELIBERATION, THERE WAS A RENEWED MOTION TO
DENY WHICH ONLY PASSED BECAUSE ONE MEMBER WHO HAD BEEN
ABSTAINING VOTED WITHOUT COMMENT.
SO THE ULTIMATE DECISION WAS TO JUST MAINTAIN THE STATUS
QUO.
IT HAD BEEN LABELED CONTRIBUTING BEFORE.
THE EVIDENCE THAT, WELL, IT HAD BEEN LABELED CONTRIBUTING ON
ALL THE OTHER MAPS, THEREFORE IT MUST BE CONTRIBUTE

CONTRIBUTING.
THAT IS NOT THE STANDARD.
AS YOU HAVE HEARD, THERE IS AN EXPRESS STANDARD WHICH I WILL
GET INTO LATER, BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL HAD HPC HAD TO
OFFER AS YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT AND MATERIALS THERE.
ISN'T MUCH ELSE ON THE THAN A FOOTPRINT ON A SANBORN MAP
WHICH AGAIN IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING MORE.
SO I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME MORE PHOTOS OF THIS SITE TO
FURTHER DEMONSTRATE, NOT ONLY IS IT NOT CONTRIBUTING, IT
DETRACTS FROM WHAT'S AROUND IT AND MANY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID
AS MUCH.
IT IS NOT ON PAR WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE HYDE PARK
DISTRICT THAT RIGHTFULLY HAVE THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS AND
THE PROTECTION THAT THAT STATUS AFFORDS.
IT IS UNDISTINGUISHED STRUCTURE AND IT IS A MESS, IT IS A
FRANKENSTEIN OF ADDITIONS SPANNING DECADE.
NOW, ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AS STAFF MENTIONED,
THERE WAS A LIST SUBMITTED WHEN THIS DISTRICT WAS PREPARED,
A LIST OF ALL THE STRUCTURES IN HYDE PARK WITHIN THE
DISTRICT, AND EACH STRUCTURE WAS DESCRIBED WITH A
CONTRIBUTING -- WHETHER CONTRIBUTING OR NOT AND THIS
STRUCTURE WAS DESCRIBED AS AN UNDISTINGUISHED BOXY TWO-STORY
VERNACULAR DRAWING.
AS YOU WILL HEAR FROM MR. FLEISCHMAN THAT IS NOT AN

IDENTIFIED ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
DISTRICT.
ALSO AGAIN IT WAS LABELED ALTERED BUT CONTRIBUTING.
THE ALTERATIONS ARE CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE
INCONSISTENT WITH THE STRUCTURE'S CHARACTER.
THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER REALLY HAS NEVER BEEN DEFINED.
IT WAS NEVER A NOTEWORTHY STRUCTURE IN AND OF ITSELF.
AGAIN, FOOTPRINTS ON A SANBORN MAP DOESN'T REALLY SAY
ANYTHING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE.
SO BETWEEN ALTERATIONS WHICH MR. FLEISCHMAN WILL ALSO
DESCRIBE AND ITS UNDISTINGUISHED ORIGINAL FORM, OUR
INVENTORY SAYS THIS WAS NOT AND IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING
STRUCTURE.
HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF THAT HISTORIC HYDE PARK INVENTORY.
THIS IS JUST A LITTLE CROSS SECTION OF PROPERTIES IN HYDE
PARK UP AND DOWN WHAT USED TO BE CALLED DeSOTO PARK
AVENUE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF THESE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE A
SPECIFIC STYLE WE EXPECT OUT OF HYDE PARK, MEDITERRANEAN
REVIVAL, COLONIAL, CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW.
THEN WE GET DOWN TO 1314, BOXY, UNDISTINGUISHED, TWO-STORY
VERNACULAR DWELLING.
NOW, THE HPC REPORT DOES CLAIM THAT A CONTRIBUTING
SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE HISTORICALLY AND CURRENTLY.
HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT THE CASE AND HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE FOR

AT LEAST 70 YEARS.
IT'S A NONCONTRIBUTING MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE.
MAYBE IT WAS SINGLE-FAMILY STRUCTURE BACK WHEN IT WAS
CONSTRUCTED, BUT RECORDS IN TAMPA TRIBUNE CLIPPINGS SHOW
THAT AS EARLY AS IN THE 50s, UPPER AND LOWER DUPLEXES WERE
ADVERTISED HERE AT THIS STRUCTURE.
AND THAT IS THE ACTUAL USE OF THE SITE TODAY.
IT IS ZONED MULTIFAMILY.
IT WAS ZONED MILLION BEFORE IT WAS DESIGNATED.
SO HERE ARE THE STANDARDS.
THE STANDARDS ARE VERY THICK MANUAL.
IT'S CALLED THE NATIONAL REGISTER BULLETIN NUMBER 15,
REFERENCED IN CITY OF TAMPA CODE, AS THE STANDARDS WITH THE
HPC AN APPLICATION WHEN EVALUATING A REQUEST TO GO FROM
CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING.
HYDE PARK CREATES THE HISTORIC CONTEXT, THE BULLETIN IS VERY
CLEAR, INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT DISTRICT MUST
THEMSELVES POSSESS INTEGRITY IN ORDER TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE
HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S HOW THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING.
AND A SPECIAL QUESTION TO ASSESS INTEGRITY IS YOU HAVE TO
DEFINE THE ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES THAT MUST BE PRESENT
IN THE STRUCTURE TO RETAIN ITS SIGNIFICANCE.
NOW WE HEARD THAT TERM, NOT PRESENTED ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT
THESE ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES ARE.

AND AGAIN, NO ONE IN FAVOR THAT WE HAVE HEARD MAINTAINING
THE STATUS, THAT STAFF HAS NOT PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT
THE ESSENTIAL FEATURES ARE OR THAT THEY HAVE RETAINED IF
THEY EXHIBIT.
IT DOES NOT SATISFY THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE THRESHOLD TO
EVEN MEET THE CRITICAL ASPECT INTEGRITY AS MR. FLEISCHMAN
WILL ATTEST.
AGAIN A NOTE ABOUT THE ALTERED BUT CONTRIBUTING STATUS.
AN ALTERED BUT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS ONE WHICH HAS
UNDERGONE ALTERATIONS INCONSISTENT WITH ITS CHARACTER BUT
THOSE CAN BE RETURNED WITH REASONABLE EFFORT AND COSTS TO
HISTORIC ONE, BUT HERE IT SAYS IT HAS TO BEST THAT THESE
CHANGES ARE REMEDIAL IN ORDER TO BE ALTERED BUT CONTRIBUTING
RATHER THAN JUST NONCONTRIBUTING.
WELL, IT'S VERY EASY TO MISS ALL OF THESE AS REMEDIAL
WITHOUT ANALYSIS OR DISCUSSION, AND YOU DISAGREE, WHICH
AGAIN YOU WILL HEAR MORE FROM MR. FLEISHMAN BUT THE
ALTERATIONS COMPOUND THE LACK OF INTEGRITY THAT THE
STRUCTURE HAS AND EVIDENCE OF WHAT MAY BE LEFT OF ITS
ORIGINAL FORM THE STRUCTURE ITSELF DID NOT HAVE
SIGNIFICANCE.
SO TO KIND OF BRING IT TOGETHER, THERE'S NO CONCRETE
EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE STRUCTURE IS REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE.
IT DIDN'T HAVE A STYLE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A STYLE.

THERE'S NO ARTICULATION OF WHAT THE PHYSICAL FEATURES WERE,
AND THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF HOW ALTERATIONS MADE TO IT ARE
REMEDIAL COULD BE EASILY BE REVERSED AND WHAT THE STRUCTURE
WOULD BE REMEDIATED TO.
IN ADDITION, AS I THINK THESE PHOTOS MAKE PRETTY CLEAR, THE
STRUCTURE IS BEYOND REPAIR, IT'S TOTALLY DILAPIDATED,
INSPECTORS HAVE DEEMED NOT ONLY IS IT NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE
BUILDING CODE BUT IT CANNOT BE BROUGHT UP TO THE BUILDING
CODE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN COBBLED TOGETHER.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL NOT INSURE THE STRUCTURE.
SO IT CAN'T BE LEGALLY INHABITED AND IT HASN'T BEEN FOR TWO
AND A HALF YEARS.
AGAIN WE HAVE REPORTS FROM ARCHITECTS, INSURANCE COMPANIES,
AND INSPECTORS STATING AS MUCH.
I WILL SKIP THROUGH THIS BECAUSE MR. FLEISCHMAN IS HERE TO
SPEAK.
HE EVALUATED THIS PROPERTY, AND AGAIN I WILL HAVE HIM COME
UP IN A MINUTE.
BUT IN ADDITION TO MR. FLEISCHMAN'S TESTIMONY, WE RECEIVED
LETTERS WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET OF NEIGHBORS EXPRESSING
THEIR SUPPORT FOR REMOVING THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS OF THE
STRUCTURE, AND THESE ARE STAKEHOLDERS, PROPERTY OWNERS IN
HYDE PARK THEMSELVES, FORMER ARC BOARD MEMBER, ONE OF THEM,
MANY MEMBERS OF HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD SOCIAL,
ARCHITECTS, CONTRACTORS, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HYDE PARK AND

HAVE FOR A LONG TIME.
EVEN AS YOU CAN SEE THOSE WHO LIVE AROUND IT DON'T SEE ITS
VALUE.
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE STRUCTURE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME QUICK SUMMARIES OF THESE LETTERS,
BUT I WOULD URGE YOU TO READ THOSE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IN
THEIR ENTIRETY AND SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WHO ACTUALLY
SPECIFY THE PROPERTY DO LIVE IN HYDE PARK HAVE TO SAY.
FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING
AREA.
THIS IS QUINTESSENTIAL HISTORIC HYDE PARK.
TO THE WEST ACROSS DESOTO, BURNS PARK.
TO THE NORTH, A MULTIFAMILY AND THE MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL
STYLE.
TO THE SOUTH ACROSS HILLS.
AND TO THE EAST A BUNGALOW.
THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO ANY OF THAT.
IT DETRACTS FROM THE CHARACTER.
IT'S UNDISTINGUISHED, LACKS INTEGRITY AND IS HEAVILY,
HEAVILY ALTERED.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE IF THIS BUILDING WERE DEEMED
NONCONTRIBUTING AND DIDN'T HAVE THE PROTECTION OF THAT
STATUS, JUST BY BEING IN HYDE PARK AS I KNOW YOU ALL ARE
FAMILIAR WITH, THE ARC WOULD REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT OF
APPROPRIATENESS FOR ANY ADDITIONS MADE TO THIS, FOR ANY

CHANGES TO IT, AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE PROPERTY ITSELF WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO
REVIEW OF THE HYDE PARK GUIDELINES.
FINALLY, I KNOW COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT THE HYDE PARK DISTRICT
IS BEING EXPANDED, MORE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE COMING
INTO THE DISTRICT, SO REMOVING THIS ONE BUILDING FROM THE
CONTRIBUTING ROSTER IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE DISTRICT'S
LEGITIMACY.
IN FACT, IT IS NOT AS LEGITIMATE TO USE THE STATUS FOR
STRUCTURES THAT DO NOT WARRANT IT THAT DOES NOT SERVE THE
GOAL OF PRESERVATION.
SO WE URGE THAT COUNCIL PLEASE DO OVERTURN THE HPC DECISION
WHICH WAS A SPLIT VOTE, AND TAKE THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS
FROM THE STRUCTURE.
I WILL NOW ASK MR. FLEISCHMAN TO COME UP.
3:57:00PM >> THANK YOU, JAIME.
SOL FLEISCHMAN, JR., FLEISCHMAN GARCIA MASLOWSKI
ARCHITECTURE, 324 HYDE PARK AVENUE.
I CONSIDER MYSELF NOT ONLY AN ARCHITECT BUT A
PRESERVATIONIST.
I HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF INVOLVEMENT IN PRESERVATION IN
TAMPA.
I WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY PRESERVATION BOARD IN THE EARLY 70s AND SERVED ON
THAT BOARD FOR 20 YEARS.

I WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
COMMISSION AND SERVED ON THAT FOR SIX YEARS UNTIL TERMED
OUT.
USUALLY I COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ARC TRYING TO
SAVE OLD HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I
HAVE APPEARED BEFORE YOU TRYING TO RECOMMEND A CHANGE OF
DESIGNATION FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING AND
DEMOLITION.
THE FIRST ONE IS 25 YEARS AGO, IN 1997, QUARTER OF A
CENTURY.
AND THAT WAS 1801 BAYSHORE, WHICH WAS THE SWANN HOUSE, WHICH
WAS AN OLD HOUSE, BUT IT HAD BEEN ALTERED OVER THE YEARS.
SO I MADE THE CASE WHICH THE ARC AGREED TO, THAT THE
DESIGNATION NEEDED TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT WAS NONREMEDIAL.
AND THEY FINALLY AGREED TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION.
WE DEMOLISHED IT AND WHAT REMAINS TODAY AT 1801 IS THAT
ICONIC MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL HUB FOR DON AND MIRACLE
WALLACE.
I BELIEVE EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE IT IMPROVED THE LOOK OF
BAYSHORE.
THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR REQUEST, BECAUSE THIS BUILDING HAS
BEEN CHANGED A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS.
IN FACT, MOST HEARTENING WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE ORIGINAL
SECOND FLOOR TERRACE ON HILLS AVENUE THAT AT THE TIME
OVERLOOKED NOT ONLY BAYSHORE BOULEVARD BUT HILLSBOROUGH BAY.

THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT FOR THIS
HOUSE, AND IT'S GONE BECAUSE OF AN ADDITION ON THE SECOND
FLOOR THAT WAS VERY INSENSITIVELY DESIGNED.
THAT DECISION HAS WINDOWS THAT ARE POORLY PROPORTIONED.
THEY ARE ALMOST SQUARE AND NOT NARROW AND TALL LIKE THE
EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE, AND THE
EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SECOND FLOOR,
WHICH WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC OF THE HOME.
THE WINDOWS ARE ALUMINUM.
THAT'S FORBIDDEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEY NEED TO BE WOOD OR THEY NEED TO BE A COMPOSITE WOOD.
I MENTIONED THE PROPORTIONS.
SO THE HISTORIC FORM OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF
THAT SECOND FLOOR TERRACE AND THE ADDITION, DOES NOT
RESEMBLE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
IT HAS ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION, NOT AN
ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
IT HAS ALUMINUM ROOF FACIA AND SOFFIT, NOT ORIGINAL
MATERIAL.
THE BELL TILE ROOFING IS NOT ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY SHINGLES.
SO I RECOMMEND STRONGLY THAT THIS HOUSE BE -- THE
DESIGNATION BE CHANGED TO NONCONTRIBUTING AND DEMOLITION
ALLOWED FOR IT.
IT'S NOT A CHARMING HOUSE IN THE DISTRICT.

IN FACT, THIS MORNING WHEN I WENT TO TAKE A FINAL
WALK-AROUND TO MAKE SURE WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS ACCURATE,
THERE WAS A LADY WALKING HER DOG, AND SHE SAW ME TAKING
PICTURES, AND SHE SAID, HEY, WHAT DID CITY COUNCIL SAY?
I SAID WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY THIS AFTERNOON.
WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO ATTEND?
SHE SAYS, THAT HOUSE NEEDS TO COME DOWN.
IT'S AN EYESORE, I HATE IT.
I MEAN, AND SHE WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE, AND SHE SAID, I'M
TALKING TO STACY HAHN, WHO IS ON OUR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
SCHOOL BOARD, AND STACY AGREES IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN.
SO ANYWAY, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION TO
NONCONTRIBUTING TO ALLOW IT TO COME DOWN.
AND THEN THE ARC WILL APPROVE ANYTHING THAT REPLACES IT.
AND I GUARANTEE IT WILL BE A LOT MORE CHARMING.
THANKS SO MUCH.
4:02:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
4:02:08PM >> THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION.
4:02:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THIS?
PLEASE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO THIS, LINE UP TO MY
LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
4:02:30PM >> I'M DEL ACOSTA, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HISTORIC HYDE PARK

PRESERVATION.
HHPNA, HISTORIC HYDE PARK ASSOCIATION.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
I AM GOING TO READ TO YOU THE MOTION THAT THE HHP&A MOTION,
MOTION, THIS ACTION WAS TAKEN IN JUNE 2022.
SUPPORT THE HPC STAFF FIND THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1314
SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE SHOULD RETAIN ITS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE
TO HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY EMBODIES THE DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE AND
MAINTAINS THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE FEATURES OF THE HISTORIC
BUILDING.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO LISTEN TO YOUR STAFF.
I WILL SUBMIT THIS INTO THE RECORD.
AND THE SPANISH TOWN CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ALSO
PASSED A MOTION SUPPORTING THE STAFF.
I THINK YOU HAVE THAT, BUT I AM GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU FOR
THE RECORD.
ONE OF THE THINGS VERY BRIEFLY THAT I WANT TO SAY IS
UNDISTINGUISHABLE IS NOT A CRITERIA FOR DECLASSIFICATION OF
HISTORIC BUILDING.
IF YOU WERE TO USE A CRITERIA UNDISTINGUISHABLE, THE HOUSES
IN DOBYVILLE, YBOR CITY, ARE UNDISTINGUISHABLE.
UNINHABITABLE IS NOT ANOTHER CRITERIA. INSURANCE CRITERIA
IS NOT A CRITERIA.
WE HAVE A HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT'S EMPTY.

YOU CAN'T GET INSURANCE.
THAT'S A COST OF WORK BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT DISQUALIFIED
AS A NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THANK YOU.
4:04:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
MR. ACOSTA, COULD I ASK YOU TO STATE YOUR PROFESSIONAL
QUALIFICATION EXPERIENCE?
4:04:21PM >> WELL, I AM AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN.
I SAT ON THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PRESERVATION COMMISSION,
SAME ONE AS SOL FLEISCHMAN SAT ON.
I WAS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION.
I WAS IN THE INTERNATIONAL ACADEMY DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE.
LECTURED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA BOTH IN GAINESVILLE
AND NANTUCKET ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
WHAT A NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS WHEN YOU CANNOT SEE ANY
MORE OF THE DESIGNED FEATURES.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE -- THAT BUILDING IS A
HISTORIC BUILDING.
IT WAS RED BRICK, CLASSIC EARLY 20th CENTURY COMMERCIAL
ARCHITECTURE, STOREFRONTS, WITH DOORS WITH WINDOWS.
WHAT YOU SEE IN YBOR CITY.
THE WINDOWS HAD BEEN BOARDED UP.
ALL THE ORIGINALS HAD BEEN BOARDED UP.
IT'S ABOUT STUCCOED OVER.
THE ARCHITECTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED.

THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HISTORIC BUILDING BECOMING
NONCONTRIBUTING.
THE UNDISTINGUISHABLE IS NOT A CRITERIA. I DON'T LIKE IT IS
NOT A CRITERIA. ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MENTION TO
YOU, AND THERE ARE NEIGHBORS OVER HERE, AND THINGS LIKE THIS
SEPARATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE TOLD ABOUT THIS CASE
TO WRITE THE LETTERS.
WE WERE TOLD A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE INCORRECT.
LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE.
LOOK AT THE CRITERIA THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND LISTEN TO
YOUR STAFF.
THANK YOU.
4:05:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
4:06:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I HAVE LISTENED TO THE APPLICANT AND THE EXPERT, SO I WANT
TO ASK STAFF, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A CODE, AND THIS IS WHAT I
AM HAVING TROUBLE WITH, IF THIS PROPERTY CANNOT BE BROUGHT
UP TO CODE, WHAT DO WE DO?
DO WE LET IT GET DILAPIDATED AND CAN'T BE BROUGHT UP TO
CODE?
4:06:32PM >>ELAINE LUND:
HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND -- LET ME BACK UP A BIT, I
GUESS.

THE CUT-OFF FOR THE YEAR THAT WE CONSIDER A BUILDING TO BE
CONTRIBUTING TO THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT IS 1933.
BRINGING ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT FROM 1933 AND
EARLIER UP TO PRESENT DAY BUILDING CODE, I THINK THAT WOULD
BE DEFINITELY A HUGE CHALLENGE, AND IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT,
EXCEPT FOR PERHAPS INSURANCE PURPOSES, OR OTHER SAFETY
ISSUES.
BUT AS FAR AS THE REHABILITATION WORK, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD BE
IMPRESSED UPON THEM BY THE ARC.
4:07:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME IS, SO I AM
CLEAR, THERE IS NO CRITERIA BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THIS
BUILDING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE OR ANYTHING?
4:07:37PM >>ELAINE LUND:
I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
I AM NOT IN CONSTRUCTION.
4:07:45PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, THE CRITERIA THAT'S BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE PACKET.
WHAT THE REQUEST IS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
NONCONTRIBUTING.
THOSE ARE THE FACTORS THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD USE IN ORDER
TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO CHANGE THE STATUS OF THE
PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE THE SAME STANDARD THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION

COMMISSION USED IN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY'S
DESIGNATION SHOULD BE CHANGED FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
NONCONTRIBUTING.
THOSE ARE THE SOLE FACTORS THAT CAN BE USED IN DETERMINING
WHETHER OR NOT TO EITHER OVERTURN THE HPC'S DECISION OR TO
AFFIRM IT.
I HAPPY HOLIDAY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
BUT THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET ON THE
CRITERIA THAT'S USED IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT
THE PETITIONER'S REQUEST SHOULD BE -- WHAT CITY COUNCIL --
4:08:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KEEP HEARING THAT FROM BOTH SIDES AND
THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING THAT.
I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT, BECAUSE I SEE A PACKET, AND I HEAR
THE GENTLEMEN TALK ABOUT CODES, AND IS IT FALLING DOWN?
I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR ON IT.
4:09:03PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS ROGER GRUNKE, 2708 NORTH ELMORE AVENUE IN TAMPA'S
HISTORIC TAMPA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE LIVED IN TAMPA SINCE 1980, AND PRIVATE EFFORT TO
ESTABLISH THE CITY'S EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL HYDE PARK HISTORIC
DISTRICT.
I HOLD AN ARCHITECTURAL LICENSE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS
WELL AS BUILDING CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE.
I HAVE DEGREES FROM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN HAND-ON PRESERVATION WORK, THE

NANTUCKET PRESERVATION PROGRAM UNDER THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
STATE, HISTORIC AMERICAN BUILDING SURVEY, ALSO THE FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF STATE HISTORIC SITE NOMINATION PROGRAM OF PALM
BEACH COUNTY, AND WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL IN PRODUCING THE
PRIVATELY FUNDED FOUR-YEAR ARCHITECTURAL SURVEY OF THE TOWN
OF PALM BEACH.
THE LATTER SERVED AS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE POPULAR
PUBLICATION "LANDMARK ARCHITECTURE IN PALM BEACH."
MY JOB WAS TO ASSESS EVERY HOUSE TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT HAD
ANY QUALIFYING CHARACTERISTICS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE SURVEY.
MY EXPERIENCES ALSO INCLUDE FIVE YEARS ON THE BARRIO LATINO.
MY ARCHITECTURE CAREER IN TAMPA HAS REVOLVED AROUND
HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS.
ONE RENOVATION AND MODERNIZATION AND ADDITIONS TO
CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES, TWO, THE DESIGN OF NEW
STRUCTURES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND, 3, THE STRICT
RESTORATION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THE LATTER INCLUDES THE
RESTORATION WORK ON HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY'S OLDEST RESIDENCE,
THE MOSLEY HOUSE.
THE FLORIDA TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION INCORPORATED HAS
AWARDED ME TWICE FOR NEW IN-FILL STRUCTURES IN HISTORIC
NEIGHBORHOODS.
MY WORK HAS ALSO BEEN TWICE RECOGNIZED BY THE TAMPA
HILLSBOROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION WITH AWARD OF EXCELLENCE.
I NOT ONLY QUALIFY ARCHITECTURE AS BEING HISTORICALLY

SIGNIFICANT, IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE LIVED AND CONTINUE TO
LIVE.
THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION TODAY IS THE TWO-STORY MASONRY AND
FRAME RESIDENCE AT 1314 DESOTO.
THIS HISTORIC RESIDENCE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1921 AND IS A MIX
OF STYLES.
ALL OF THE SAME PERIOD.
SOME MISSION, SPANISH ECLECTIC WITH PRAIRIE INFLUENCES.
THIS IS THE FIELD GUIDE TO AMERICAN HOUSES BY VIRGINIA LEE
-- [BELL SOUNDS]
4:12:25PM >> I WILL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS MORE.
4:12:26PM >> OKAY.
I WILL SKIP THAT AND I WANT TO SHOW THE COUNCIL THREE
PHOTOGRAPHS.
CAN WE PULL THIS UP, PLEASE?
4:12:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE ELMO, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
4:12:47PM >> OKAY, THIS HOUSE IS 1902 WEST MORRISON AVENUE.
YOU CAN SEE THE SHAPE THAT IT WAS IN.
YOU CAN SEE THE PORCHES, SECOND FLOOR GALLERY HAS BEEN
ENCLOSED.
THE SAME WAS TRUE FOR THE BACK.
THIS ALSO WAS A PORCH THAT WAS ENCLOSED.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE FROM THE FRONT.
[BELL SOUNDS]

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AND FINISHED AND APPEARED IN THE
SOUTHERN LIVING MAGAZINE.
TO SAY THAT THE PROPERTY AT 1314 IS UNREMEDIAL IS VERY
FAR-FETCHED.
YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE PHOTOGRAPHS.
4:13:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
4:13:51PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS PATRICIA SUMMERVILLE.
I LIVE AT 2107 WEST DEKLE AVENUE IN HISTORIC HYDE PARK.
I AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND THE
DECISIONS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGARDING
1314 SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE.
I ALSO WANT TO MAKE THE POINT IF THERE WERE MANY MORE
NEIGHBORS HERE EXPRESSING THE SAME THAT I HAVE JUST
EXPRESSED WERE THIS MEETING HELD IN THE EVENING.
MANY OF US WORK DURING THE DAY.
THANK YOU.
4:14:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
4:14:35PM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA, 604 SOUTH ORLEANS.
I RECENTLY READ ABOUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS HAPPENING
IN OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S CALLED DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
WE ARE LOSING MORE AND MORE AND MORE HOMES EVERY DAY.
OWNERS WHO DON'T MAINTAIN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY ALLOWING
THEIR PROPERTY TO DETERIORATE ONLY TO CLAIM ENORMOUS COST OF

REPAIR, CLAIMING ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP DUE TO THE OWNER'S PREFERENCE AS TO
WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND ALLOW HIS
PROPERTY TO DETERIORATE IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO CONSTITUTE A
HARDSHIP, ENTIRELY THE OWNER.
OWNERS HAVE A DUTY TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE
HELD RESPONSIBLE.
AS PER TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 AND 19, LACK OF
MAINTENANCE ON A PROPERTY FALLS ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE
OWNER.
1314 SOUTH DESOTO WAS GIVEN CONTRIBUTING STATUS IN 1985 WHEN
HYDE PARK WAS DESIGNATED A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS HOME IN 2019.
NOW, IN 2022, HE WANTS TO HAVE THE DESIGNATION OF
CONTRIBUTING STATUS REMOVED.
HIS SIXTH ON THE PURCHASE CONTRACT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT HE
WAS PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS HISTORIC
HOME.
SO WHY DID HE BUY IT?
HE KNEW THEN THAT THIS HOME IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR
CITY'S HISTORY.
IT WAS BUILT IN 1921, AND IN 1985 WAS DESIGNATED AS A
CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WHEN HYDE PARK BECAME A HISTORIC
DISTRICT LOCALLY, AND UNDER THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY.
YOU ARE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOUND NO CHANGES IN

THEIR REVIEW OF THE 1314 SOUTH DESOTO.
THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
I SUPPORT THEIR DECISION NOT TO REMOVE CONTRIBUTING STATUS
ON 1314 SOUTH DESOTO.
THANK YOU.
4:16:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
4:16:51PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS LINDA SAUL-SENA, 157 BISCAYNE IN TAMPA.
YEARS AND YEARS AGO, I WAS A YOUNG STAFF PLANNER AT THE
PLANNING COMMISSION AND HELPED WRITE THE HYDE PARK PLAN.
AT THAT TIME, THAT WAS A WAIVER FOR COME TO BE A MEMBER OF
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
AT THAT TIME HYDE PARK WAS IN DREADFUL SHAPE.
MOST OF THE LARGER HOMES HAD BEEN CHOPPED INTO ROOMING HOUSE
ROOMS.
YOU COULDN'T GET ALONE FROM A WHITE BANK IN THOSE DAYS.
BANKS WERE SEGREGATED AND THE LEVEL OF DETERIORATION WAS
REALLY PLANNED.
IT IS EXTRAORDINARY THE STRIDES HYDE PARK HAS MADE OVER THE
LAST SEVERAL DECADE.
ACTUALLY, I TOOK A WALK IN THIS VERY NEIGHBORHOOD YESTERDAY,
AND WAS SO IMPRESSED BY THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE, WHICH
HASN'T BEEN SEEN IN HYDE PARK SINCE MANY OF THESE HOMES WERE
ORIGINALLY CREATED.
THE HOME BEING DISCUSSED TODAY AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE

HAS NOT BEEN ONE OF THE FORTUNATE STRUCTURES.
IT HAS NOT SEEN TENDER LOVING CARE.
IT HAS BEEN MISTREATED WITH IMPROPER WINDOWS WITH, IMPROPER
SIDING.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS FOR BUILDINGS AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE IS THAT
YOU CAN REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH THE HISTORICALLY
APPROPRIATE ONES.
YOU CAN REPLACE THE SIDING WITH THE ORIGINAL SIDING THAT'S
APPROPRIATE.
AND YOU CAN BRING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER, WHICH IS
STILL THERE UNDERNEATH THE UNFORTUNATE INTERIM CHANGES.
I LOOK TO YOU ALL.
THIS IS NOT EASY.
THIS IS NOT A SPECTACULARLY GLAMOROUS GORGEOUS BUILDING.
IT IS A VERNACULAR BUILDING.
BUT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY IS THE QUALITY OF A
HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE KEY WORD IS CONTRIBUTING.
THIS IS NOT AND WAS NEVER ONE OF HYDE PARK'S SUPERSTAR
STRUCTURES.
IT IS A MODEST HOME, BUT IT'S A NICE HOME, AND IT
CONTRIBUTES TO THE FEEL, THE SCALE, THE CHARACTER.
IT HAS ALL OF THE BONES, THE BONES OF A CONTRIBUTING
STRUCTURE.
SO I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THE BOARD
RECOMMENDATIONS, AND RECOGNIZE THAT THIS TRULY IS A

CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THANKS.
4:19:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
4:19:40PM >>THE CLERK:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
4:19:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REBUTTAL?
4:19:48PM >>JAIME MAIER:
JAIME MAIER FOR THE APPLICANT.
A FEW POINTS.
FIRST OF ALL, NO ONE WANTS TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THIS
PROPERTY.
WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE DISTRICT.
WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SOME HISTORY OF THE DISTRICT AND OTHER
POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT THIS DISTRICT BUT NOBODY WANTS TO TALK
ABOUT THIS HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES OF THIS STRUCTURE ARE THAT ARE
WHAT MAKE IT SIGNIFICANT AND HOW THOSE STRUCTURES, THOSE
FEATURES HAVE BEEN RETAINED. I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM PUBLIC
COMMENT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM STAFF.
PEOPLE KEEP REFERRING TO THIS AS A HOME.
IT IS NOT A HOME.
IT'S A MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE AND IT HAS BEEN A MULTIFAMILY
STRUCTURE FOR 70 YEARS AT LEAST.
AND IT IS ZONED MILLION.

SO THIS IS NOT -- IT'S NOT A CONTRIBUTING HOME.
THAT WORD IS THROWN AROUND INCORRECTLY.
AND AGAIN, THE HPC REPORT HAS THAT INCORRECTLY.
IT IS NOT A HOME.
IT'S A MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE.
NOT ONCE HAS ANYBODY ACTUALLY APPLIED, INCLUDING STAFF, THE
NATIONAL REGISTER BULLETIN.
HOW DO WE ACTUALLY SEE HOW THIS STRUCTURE HAS INTEGRITY?
HOW HAVE WE SEEN ACTUALLY SEEN WHAT THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURES
ARE?
NOW THE LETTERS IN SUPPORT, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THESE
NEIGHBORS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STRUCTURE AND THEIR
OPINION IS VERY STRONG THAT IT IS A TERRIBLE STRUCTURE AND
PROVIDES NO VALUE AND IS THE NOT WORTH SAVING.
THOSE ARE THE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET AND THEY KNEW WHAT THE
STRUCTURE IS.
AGAIN, I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT HPC STRUGGLED WITH THIS
DECISION.
IT WAS THREE MOTIONS.
TWO FAILED.
AND THE HPC DID NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT MR. FLEISCHMAN'S
TESTIMONY.
HE WAS NOT AT THAT HEARING.
THEY DID HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S LETTER AND
TESTIMONY SO THEY HAD ALL OF THAT, BUT THEY STILL STRUGGLED

WITH THE DECISION BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CLEAR WHAT WAS SO
SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE OUR CLIENT, THE APPLICANT, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS
WELL.
4:22:01PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M JIM BLACKWOOD, THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 1314 SOUTH DESOTO.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION ON THE
CODE'S SPECIFICS, BUT FIRST GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO THE
COMMENTS I HEARD EARLIER.
I AM NOT PETITIONING UNDER A HARDSHIP CONSIDERATION.
I SIMPLY MENTIONED AND ASKED OUR TEAM TO MENTION THE
INABILITY TO ENSURE THE PROPERTY AS A FUNCTION OF IT NOT
BEING TO CODE AND CANNOT BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE.
WHY SPECIFICALLY IS THAT TRUE?
FROM A PROFESSIONAL INSPECTOR'S REPORT HE SAID SPECIFICALLY,
THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A CRAWL SPACE, NO SPACE
UNDERNEATH, NO SPACE IN THE WALLS, AND NO SPACE ABOVE TO RUN
THE REQUIRED PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
HE SAID IT IS NOT TO CODE, AND THE BUILDING CANNOT BE
BROUGHT TO CODE.
THAT IS A RELEVANT POINT TO BRING UP IN THIS BECAUSE THE
REQUEST OUT OF THE HPC STAFF REPORT IS THAT THE BUILDING AND
THE SUGGESTION IS THAT IT CAN BE REHABILITATED ACCORDING TO
THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION.
THAT IS NOT CORRECT BECAUSE BEFORE IT GOES INTO THOSE

STANDARD OF REHABILITATION, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR
STANDARD FIRST PARAGRAPH SAYS THAT THESE STEPS ARE TO BE
EXECUTED UNDER THE CONSIDERATIONS OF ECONOMIC AND TECHNICAL
FEASIBILITIES, END QUOTE.
SO THAT IS THE BASIS BY WHICH WE PROPOSED AND PUT INTO THE
PRESENTATION THAT THE BUILDING IS SIMPLY NOT UP TO CODE AND
CANNOT BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE.
I AM A PRESERVATIONIST.
I HAVE LIVED IN HYDE PARK FOR 20 YEARS PLUS, I AM AN HHPNA
MEMBER.
I HAVE PRESERVED MY OWN HOUSE.
I HAVE THE TRIFECTA OF PRESERVATIONS.
I HAVE AN AD VALOREM TAX CREDIT.
I HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION BANNER.
AND MY HOUSE WAS FEATURED AS A TOP PROPERTY TWO BLOCKS AWAY
ON THE 2011 HISTORIC HOME TOUR.
I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY WITH THE FULL INTENTION OF RESTORING
THIS.
IT WAS ONLY AFTER A RELUCTANT INSPECTIONS AND PIECING AND
PULLING APART THE APARTMENTS THAT THIS BUILDING HAD BEEN
DIVIDED UP INTO THAT I REALIZED VERY UNFORTUNATELY THE CAR
IS SIMPLY TOTALED.
I WANT TO RESTORE THE CAR THAT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE
ACCIDENT, BUT I SIMPLY CANNOT.
I WANT TO FINISH WITH ONE LAST LINE, REFERENCING THE NRD.

THE STAFF REPORT REFERENCED THE NRB PAGES 44 TO 49.
UNDER THE CAPTION, HOW TO EVALUATE THE INTEGRITY OF A
PROPERTY, IF WE ARE TO EVALUATE THE INTEGRITY OF A PROPERTY,
WE HAVE TO DO SO IN ITS ENTIRETY.
EVERYONE TOOK AN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH BUT PART OF THAT TRUTH WAS LEFT OUT.
4:25:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
30 SECOND.
4:25:05PM >> SPECIFICALLY IN F A HISTORIC BUILDING MATERIALS COVERED
BY A NONHISTORIC MATERIAL SUCH AS MODERN SIDING WHICH MINE
IS, THE PROPERTY CAN STILL BE ELIGIBLE IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT
FORMS AND FEATURES ARE NOT OBSCURED.
MINE ARE.
HERE, KEY POINT.
IF A PROPERTY'S EXTERIOR IS COVERED BY A NONHISTORIC FRONT
OR CURTAIN WALL, WHICH MINE IS, THE PROPERTY WILL NOT
QUALIFY UNDER CRITERIA A, B OR C, SUCH A PROPERTY, AND
SKIPPING DOWN BECAUSE I MIGHT RUN OUT OF TIME, BUT SUCH A
PLOT ALSO CANNOT BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING ELEMENT IN THE
HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT IS THE VERY QUOTE OUT OF PAGE 47 THAT IS INCLUDED IN
THE REPORT.
SO BY DEFAULT, THE HPC STAFF REPORT MAKES OUR VERY CASE.
THANK YOU.
4:25:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE SPEAK TO THIS?

WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
4:26:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I SEE THIS IN A LOT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, WITH
REZONING, ET CETERA, ALWAYS GIVE STAFF REPORTS A LOT OF
DEFERENCE AND WHATNOT.
THEY ARE KIND OF, AS ALWAYS, THE LEGS IN THE STOOL WE CAN
USE TO APPROVE OR DENY A CASE.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN STATED IN SO MANY WAYS BEFORE, BUT IF I
MAY ASK THE COUNCIL HERE, WHAT DISTINGUISHES YOUR POSITION
AND YOUR CASE FROM THAT REPORT?
NOT JUST THE DECISION OF THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY, BUT THE
ACTUAL REPORT?
4:26:47PM >> IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, MY ANSWER IS SIMPLE.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE PROVIDED, THERE'S NO ANALYSIS OF THE
CRITERIA, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE APPLIED TO THOSE CRITERIA IN
THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF BURDEN IS NOT MET AND HAS NOT BEEN MET AT ALL, AND
REALLY THAT IS THE CRUX OF IT.
4:27:17PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:27:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD WE ASK STAFF TO RESPOND TO THAT?
4:27:22PM >>ELAINE LUND:
HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY CONTRIBUTING IS A
DECISION THAT WAS MADE IN THE 1980s.
WE ARE NOT -- HAD NOTE BEEN CHARGED WITH DETERMINING WHETHER
OR NOT IT'S STILL UNIQUE PROPERTY, WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD
BE CHANGED TO NONCONTRIBUTING.

4:27:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:27:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COULD SHE COME BACK TO THAT LAST SECTION
THERE?
4:27:58PM >>ELAINE LUND:
WHAT I BELIEVE I SAID WAS THAT WHAT WE WERE
DOING IN THE STAFF REPORT IS STATING THE FACTS, YOU KNOW,
THE HOUSE, THE BUILDING WAS DETERMINED TO BE CONTRIBUTING IN
THE 1980s AND HAS REMAINED AS SUCH, AND BASICALLY OUR
POSITION IS NOT TO REASSESS IT AT THIS POINT, AS TO WHETHER
OR NOT IT'S CONTRIBUTING OR NONCONTRIBUTING.
4:28:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO WE DON'T AUTOMATICALLY REASSESS IT WHEN
IT COMES BEFORE YOU FOR REVIEW?
YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY REASSESS IT?
BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT'S 1980?
4:28:36PM >>ELAINE LUND:
BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL
CHANGES TO IT FOR US TO HAVE A REASON TO MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION.
4:28:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
4:28:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:28:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I LISTENED TO IT VERY INTENSELY, AND
THERE'S THREE THINGS WE CAN DO.
MOVE TO AFFIRM, MOVE TO REMAND, AND MOVE TO OVERTURN.
AM I CORRECTED, COUNSELOR?
4:29:08PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THAT IS CORRECT.

4:29:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THERE'S ONLY ONE THING IN MY MIND
LISTENING TO BOTH SIDE, AND BOTH SIDES DID A VERY
PROFESSIONAL JOB IN MAKING THEIR PRESENTATION.
HOWEVER, AT THE END I HEARD ONE COMMENT, AND SAID THAT WHAT
WE ARE HEARING NOW, MR. FLEISCHMAN DID NOT REPORT, WAS NOT
PRESENT IN THE HEARING WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION
COMMISSION.
IS THAT CORRECT?
4:29:30PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THAT IS CORRECT.
HE WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE HEARING.
4:29:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO WE ARE NOT REALLY LISTENING TO THE SAME
THING.
4:29:38PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
HE PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION THIS
AFTERNOON, BUT THE BOARD DID NOT HEAR WHAT HE SAID.
HE WAS NOT PRESENT FOR THE HPC HEARING.
4:29:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:29:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:29:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WONDER, AND THE APPLICANT IS GOING
TO GET THE LAST WORD AND CAN REBUT ALL OF THIS, I THINK, BUT
CAN LEGAL TELL ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT CAN I ASK THE GENTLEMAN
FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, MR. GRUNKE, I FORGOT YOUR
NAME, YOU RAN OUT OF TIME BUT YOU STARTED TO GIVE US YOUR
ANALYSIS ON THE THREE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, AND
THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS.

4:30:21PM >> GRUNKE:
YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE FIELD DOCUMENT OF AMERICAN HOUSES IS THE GO-TO BOOK FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA PRESERVATION STAFF, THE PRESERVATION
DEPARTMENT.
THIS BOOK IS USED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AS A GUIDE TO
EVALUATE HISTORIC QUALITY OF STYLES.
AND OUT OF THIS BOOK, WE LEARNED VERY EASILY THAT THE 1314
IS WHAT WE CONSIDER AN AMERICAN ECLECTIC HOUSE AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE 19 -- 20th CENTURY.
OKAY, IT'S MISSION STYLE.
AND SPANISH ECLECTIC WITH INFLUENCE OF VARIOUS STYLE.
THIS HOUSE FITS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE IS LINEAR.
THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONS ON THE EAST SIDE.
BUT OVERWHELMINGLY, THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY AND STILL CAN
BE BROUGHT BACK TO ITS FORM.
THE VERY IMPORTANT FEATURE, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN COVERED AND
HAS REALLY NOT BEEN ALTERED, IS THE PROMINENT ONE-STORY OPEN
PORCH.
THIS IS A CHARLOTTE COUNTY DEFINING FEATURE OF MISSION
ARCHITECTURE.
AND THIS BUILDING HAD IT, HAS IT -- IT HAS NOT BEEN DAMAGED
IN ANY WAY.
THE BUILDING FITS INTO THE TIME PERIOD FROM SPANISH

ECLECTIC, LOW PITCHED ROOF.
THIS HOUSE HAS IT.
STUCCO SURFACE WALLS.
IT HAS IT ALSO.
THE SECOND FLOOR WAS FRAMED, AND THAT WAS VERY COMMON.
McCALLISTER ALSO NOTES THAT 10% OF THIS TYPOLOGY FEATURES
FLAT ROOFS, WHICH THIS BUILDING HAD ON THE SMALL
PROJECTIONS.
4:32:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG MR. GRUNKE
IS GOING TO BE TESTIFYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
4:32:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE APPLICANT WILL GET EQUAL AMOUNT OF TIME
FOR REBUTTAL.
4:32:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
4:32:47PM >> THE STYLE IS IN THE SHAPE OF THE WINDOWS AND THE WAY THEY
ARE POSITIONED ON THE BUILDING.
ALSO, THE PRAIRIE STYLE EMPHASIZES SIMPLICITY AND
DECORATION.
WHAT MANY PEOPLE ARE CALLING AN UNIMPORTANT BUILDING IS THE
FACT THAT IT'S SIMPLICITY IS APROPOS TO ITS STYLE.
SO THIS BUILDING IS ABSOLUTELY AN EXAMPLE OF QUALITY
HISTORICISM BELONGING TO THE HYDE MARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IF YOU -- I THINK PEOPLE ARE CONFUSING, THE GENERAL
PUBLIC, MAY CONFUSE PRETTY WITH HISTORIC.
PRESERVATION IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT PRESERVING THINGS THAT
ARE PRETTY.

IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING THINGS THAT ARE HISTORIC.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE EARLIEST OF THE AMERICAN
ARCHITECTURE, THEY ARE NOT FLAMBOYANT.
THIS IS SUCH A BUILDING.
AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT ASSET TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF WE WERE TO REMOVE ITS DESIGNATION, IT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR
FOR ANY BUILDING IN THE FUTURE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
4:34:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SIR, I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
4:34:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PETITIONER, REBUTTAL TIME.
4:34:33PM >> SOL FLEISCHMAN, HYDE PARK AVENUE.
MR. GRUNKE'S COMMENTS ARE A BIT OF A STRETCH.
I AM NOT SURE I CAN SEE ANY MISSION STYLE OR CRAFTSMAN STYLE
INFLUENCES IN THIS HOME, MEDITERRANEAN SPANISH ECLECTIC
BECAUSE IT'S STUCCO AND HAS A COVERED PORCH, THAT'S A
STRETCH.
IF IT WAS EITHER ONE IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE ARCHES OR
DECORATIVE CORNERS IN THE ENTRANCE TO THE PORCH.
PRAIRIE STYLE, THAT'S A REAL STRETCH.
IT DOES HAVE A HIP ROOF.
THE PRAIRIE STYLE HOMES HAD REALLY LONG CANTILEVERS EAVES,
AS LLOYD FRANKLIN WRIGHT, AND HORIZONTAL TRIM, HORIZONTAL
LINE.
NONE OF THAT'S EVIDENT EXCEPT FOR MINARETS.

THE FACIA WHICH AGAIN IS METAL, NOT WOOD, SOFFIT, METAL, NOT
WOOD, OR SIMILAR MATERIAL.
AND I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF FIELD GUIDE.
I HAVE USED IT THROUGHOUT MY CAREER, BUT I AM NOT SURE THIS
HOME CONFORMS TO ANY OF THOSE.
THANK YOU.
4:36:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:36:21PM >>JAIME MAIER:
IF I MAY, I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE
MORE MINUTES, THAT EXTRA TIME, A COUPLE REALLY QUICK POINTS.
THE HISTORIC HYDE PARK GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY SAY THERE IS
ONE, PRECISELY ONE EXAMPLE OF A PRAIRIE STYLE IN THE
DISTRICT.
AND IT'S NOT THIS ONE.
IT'S SPECIFIC.
I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
IT'S A MIX OF ALL THESE STYLES, WHY WAS IT LABELED BY THE
CITY IN ITS INVENTORY AS AN UNDISTINGUISHED BOXY TWO STORY
VERNACULAR DWELLING WHEN THEY COULD HAVE LABELED IT AS THEY
WERE CLEARLY CABLE OF DOING AND ASCERTAINING WHAT THOSE
STYLES WERE AT THE TIME THEY WERE TAKING INVENTORY.
AND IT REALLY IS A MIX OF ALL THE STYLES, WHY IS THE CITY'S
PROFESSIONAL STAFF, WHY WERE THEY UNAWARE OF IN THE THEIR
STAFF REPORT?
I SIMPLY THINK IT IS WHAT IT IS, IT'S AN UNDISTINGUISHED
BOXY BUILDING WHICH SHOULD NOT BE LABELED CONTRIBUTING.

THANK YOU.
4:37:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:37:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME KNOW IF I AM ON A WRONG SLOPE HERE.
CAN CITY STAFF ANSWER THE QUESTION?
WHAT STYLE HOME IS IT?
4:37:24PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
IS THAT A QUESTION OF COUNSEL?
4:37:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, IF THAT'S THE CASE.
4:37:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL,
THE ANSWER IS THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS,
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS,
AND THEN YOU HAVE REBUTTAL.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION, IT
REQUIRED ADDITIONAL TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
IF YOU GO BY YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE AS SET FORTH, THE
QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW --
4:38:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
DID SHE ANSWER OR NOT?
THAT'S ALL --
4:38:07PM >> MR. SHELBY, WE HAVEN'T CLOSED THE CASE YET SO WE CAN
ALWAYS ASK NOR QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE TO GIVE REBUTTAL AN APPROPRIATE TIME THAT WAS USED
WHEN WE ASKED SOMEONE ELSE A QUESTION.
4:38:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
AND YET THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT THE QUESTIONS, AND
THEN A REBUTTAL, ANOTHER QUESTION AND THEN A REBUTTAL AND
THEN A RESPONSE CHANGES THE HEARING.

BUT --
4:38:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M ASKING LEGAL, YOU ARE CITY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY.
I HAVE TWO PEOPLE, MR. CARLSON CALLED UP AN EXPERT.
WE HAD ANOTHER EXPERT.
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT STYLE HOME IS IT?
IS IT DISTINGUISHED OR WE DON'T.
CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION MS. PETTIS-MACKLE?
4:38:53PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION BUT
STAFF IS HERE IF YOU WANT TO ASK STAFF THAT QUESTION.
4:38:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, CAN I ASK STAFF THAT QUESTION?
4:39:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS LONG AS THE PETITIONER DOES HAVE THE
LAST WORD AND HAS REBUTTAL.
4:39:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW --
4:39:09PM >> YOU HAVE TO --
4:39:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM SAYING WE HAD AN EXPERT COME UP ON
THE OTHER SIDE.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF DO THEY KNOW WHAT THIS IS?
4:39:19PM >> WE HAVE IT CLASSIFIED AS MASONRY VERNACULAR.
4:39:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
4:39:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, CITY
COUNCIL?
4:39:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I NEED TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION.
LEGAL.

THE PAPERWORK THAT YOU GAVE US THAT SETS UP CRITERIA, AND
EVERYTHING FROM HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHAT CLASSIFIES A
HISTORIC DISTRICT, VISUAL EFFECTS, NONHISTORIC, IS THIS
CRITERIA THAT SETS FORTH DISTINGUISHING A HOUSE AS A
HISTORIC HOME IN AN HISTORIC AREA?
ARE THESE THE GUIDELINES?
4:40:27PM >> STAFF.
4:40:29PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
STAFF CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
4:40:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THIS IS NOT LEGAL.
THIS IS NOT LEGAL.
4:40:34PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THAT'S THE CRITERIA THAT'S USED --
4:40:37PM >> IS THIS LEGALLY BINDING TO THE CRITERIA?
4:40:40PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
YES, THAT'S THE CRITERIA.
4:40:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW.
4:40:43PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
OKAY.
4:40:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:40:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HEARD BOTH SIDES, AND A LOT OF EVIDENCE, AND HAVING SAID
THAT, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO MOVE TO AFFIRM THE HPC'S
DECISION TO DENY THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION
STATUS FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING REGARDING

APPLICATION NUMBER HPC 2022-2 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
1314 SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE BECAUSE THE PETITION DOES MEET THE
CRITERIA SET FORTH IN CODE SECTION 27-261 -- I AND THE
NATIONAL REGISTER NUMBER 15.
4:41:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
IT IS SECONDED BY -- MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY COMMENTS?
4:41:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD -- WHICH ONE DO
YOU WANT?
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, AS EVIDENCE OR BACKUP TO THE
MOTION, THAT WE HAVE HAD TESTIMONY FROM STAFF ABOUT THE
ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WE HAVE HAD TESTIMONY BY THREE
EXPERIENCED EXPERTS INCLUDING EITHER CURRENT OR FORMER
PROFESSOR FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WHO WENT THROUGH IN
DETAIL TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT STYLES THAT ARE
REPRESENTED IN THE ARCHITECTURE, AND THE THREE EXPERTS IN
THE COMMUNITY TESTIFIED AS TO THE FACT THAT IT IS A
CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND ITS IMPORTANCE AND RELEVANCE TO
THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
4:42:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SUPPORT THAT AS PART OF MY MOTION.
4:42:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IT RETAINS THE
MAJORITY UNDER CRITERION B, IT DOES RETAIN THE MAJORITY OF
THE FEATURES OF THE ILLUSTRATED STYLE IN TERMS OF THE
MASSING, SPATIAL RELATIONSHIPS, PROPORTION, PATTERN OF

WINDOWS AND DOORS, TEXTURES AND MATERIALS AND ORNAMENTATION,
AND AS A COMMENT, I SEE THOSE STYLES WHEN I LOOK AT THE
PHOTOS.
I SEE CRAFTSMAN IN THIS, ABSOLUTELY.
I SEE MISSION STYLE IN THIS.
SO I CAN SPECIFICALLY SEE THOSE MYSELF.
4:43:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:43:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS NOT A DE NOVO HEARING, RIGHT?
OR WRONG?
4:43:33PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
YES, THIS IS A DE NOVO HEARING.
4:43:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS A DE NOVO HEARING.
4:43:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
I WILL JUST MAKE A COUPLE STATEMENTS.
IN OUR PAPERWORK THAT IS OUR LEGAL BASIS, THERE ARE JUST A
COUPLE OF THINGS.
THE ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES ALTHOUGH IT CHANGES OVER
TIME IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE PROPERTY TO RETAIN ALL ITS
HISTORIC PHYSICAL FEATURES OR CHARACTERISTICS.
AND THAT COMES DOWN TO VISIBILITY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES.
THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE UNDER CRITERIA A, B AND C, PLUS
ONLY RETAINED ESSENTIAL FEATURES, BUT THE FEATURES MUST BE
VISIBLE ENOUGH TO CONVEY THEIR SIGNIFICANCE.
MUST BE PHYSICAL ENOUGH TO CONVEY THEIR SIGNIFICANCE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, IF A
COCKER SPANIEL AND A POODLE HAD A PUPPY, WE CALLED IT A
MUTT.
BUT IT WAS STILL LOVED JUST AS MUCH AS ONE THAT IS TODAY
CALLED A COCKAPOO.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO LOVE THIS BUILDING THERE.
ARE SOME WHO DO NOT.
IT HAS HISTORIC VALUE IN MY OPINION.
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:45:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:45:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:45:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
4:45:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:45:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:45:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
4:45:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:45:21PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:45:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 75.
FILE DE 1-22-235-C.
4:45:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I HOPEFULLY WILL BE ABLE
TO STAY TO THE END.
IN CASE IF I DON'T, IF I MAY, I KNOW THIS IS UNORTHODOX, I

WAS PRESENTING A COMMENDATION TO THE HISPANIC BAR, WOULD
QUICKLY MOVE FOR THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THAT JUST IN CASE.
4:46:03PM >> MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 75, FILE DE 1-22-235-C.
4:46:22PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
BEFORE YOU, I HAVE ITEM NUMBER 75, WHICH IS A PETITION FOR
REVIEW FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4619 NORTH CLARK AVENUE.
THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW REGARDING A DECISION BY STAFF
FOR DESIGN EXCEPTION.
UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE, CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE TWO ACTIONS
THAT THEY CAN TAKE REGARDING THIS MATTER AFTER HEARING ALL
THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE.
THE PETITIONER BROUGHT THIS -- REGARDING THIS MATTER IS
MICHAEL KASS, REQUESTED STAFF TO ALLOW FOR 6-FOOT HIGH PVC
FENCE ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY BOUNDARY WITH A 5-FOOT
BUFFER.
STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA
OF THE CODE AS OUTLINED IN CODE SECTION 27-284.3.3 AND CODE
SECTION 27-60 WHICH GIVES THE CRITERIA REGARDING DESIGN
EXCEPTIONS.
CITY COUNCIL WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED THE CODE SECTIONS THAT

I JUST STATED ALONG THE 27-61, SAMPLE MOTIONS AND RULES OF
PROCEDURES IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THIS HEARING.
THE STANDARD OF REVIEW REGARDING THIS MATTER IS A DE NOVO
REVIEW, WHICH MEANS THAT CITY COUNCIL ACCORDING TO THE CODE
CAN ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE, YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, AND
MAKE A DECISION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICATION
OR THE PETITIONER MEETS THE CRITERIA AS OUTLINED IN 27-60
REGARDING ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
STAFF IS PRESENT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE REQUEST AND THE
BASIS FOR STAFF'S DECISION, AND UPON HEARING ALL THE
EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE, CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE TWO ACTIONS IN
THIS MATTER.
CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF STAFF AND THEREBY
DENY THE REQUEST TO ALLOW A 6-FOOT HIGH PVC FENCE ALONG THE
SOUTH BOUNDARY WITH A 5-FOOT BUFFER, IN DOING THAT, IF YOU
AFFIRM, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE REQUEST DOES NOT MEET THE
CRITERIA AS OUTLINED IN CODE SECTION 27-60.
OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION BY STAFF AND
THEREBY GRANT THE REQUEST TO ALLOW A 6-FOOT HIGH PVC FENCE
ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY BOUNDARY WITH THE 5-FOOT BUFFER.
IN ORDER TO OVERTURN STAFF'S DECISION, CITY COUNCIL MUST
DETERMINE THAT THE REQUEST DOES MEET THE CRITERIA OUTLINED
IN 27-60.
STAFF IS ONLINE IN ORDER TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION.
4:48:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE SEE YOU?

4:49:04PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
LAURA MARLEY, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
CAN YOU PLEASE BRING UP MY PowerPoint?
OR SHARE MY SCREEN.
4:49:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE YOU GO.
4:49:18PM >> CAN YOU SEE MY PRESENTATION?
4:49:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO, WE CANNOT.
WE CAN SEA YOU.
I THINK WE ARE GETTING IT RIGHT NOW.
THERE YOU GO.
THAT'S NOT A FULL SIZE.
4:49:34PM >> NO?
THAT ONE?
4:49:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE.
NO.
IT WAS THERE.
THERE YOU GO.
BINGO.
4:49:48PM >> ALL RIGHT.
SO THIS IS DE 1-22-235, MICHAEL KASS, PROPERTY AT 3619 NORTH
CLARK AVENUE, AND THE ZONING IS INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
THE DESIGN EXCEPTION WAS TO REDUCE A REDUCTION ON THE
REQUIRED USE OF THE BUFFER FROM A 6-FOOT MASONRY WALL WITH A
15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO A 6-FOOT PVC FENCE WITH A 5-FOOT
LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

THIS IS PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
AND THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE IS WHERE THE APPLICANT WAS
ASKING FOR THE REDUCTION.
THIS IS THE STANDARD FOR REVIEW.
STAFF MADE THE DECISION THAT A WAS NOT MET, AND THAT IS
PROVIDED IN THIS CHAPTER, NOR IS IT INJURIOUS TO THE PUBLIC
HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.
4:50:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD?
I'M SORRY, YOU PASSED BY THAT VERY QUICKLY.
THE AERIAL VIEW, PLEASE.
4:50:45PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
SURE.
NOT THIS ONE?
4:50:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO, MA'AM, THE AERIAL VIEW.
4:50:56PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWING ON MY SCREEN.
4:50:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE YOU GO.
THANK YOU.
4:51:01PM >> CAN YOU TAKE IT BACK THERE AND LEAVE IT THERE, PLEASE?
4:51:08PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
IS IT ON YOUR SCREEN?
4:51:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT IS NOW. CAN YOU PLEASE LEAVE IT THERE?
4:51:16PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
OKAY.
I WON'T TOUCH IT.
OKAY.
4:51:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE CANNOT SEE IT.
KEEP IT THERE, PLEASE.
4:51:30PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
ON MY SCREEN IT IS THERE.

I AM NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING.
4:51:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE IT IS.
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
IS EVERYONE SATISFIED?
YES?
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE PROCEED.
4:51:52PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
OKAY.
SO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, THE ONE TO THE SOUTH,
EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION AT A MEETING WITH STAFF, AND
DECLINED TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT PRESENTED BY THE PETITIONER IN
SUPPORT OF THE REDUCED BUFFER.
AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAD SUBMITTED,
SO IT IS THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHT.
THIS IS WHAT HE PROPOSED AS A 6-FOOT HIGH PVC FENCE, AND
THEN APPLIED FOR A BUFFER, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE
SITE PLAN, THERE ARE BUILDINGS, AND THERE IS LANDSCAPE --
NOT LANDSCAPE, BUILDINGS AND THERE'S A PARKING LOT AND SOME
CONCRETE IN THE AREA OF WHERE A 15-FOOT BUFFER SHOULD BE.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SITE.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, IT'S A TURQUOISE.

IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE 6-FOOT WALL
AND 15-FOOT BUFFER SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
AND AGAIN THIS IS A VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, THAT IN THE
MAJORITY OF THE SCREEN IS A SINGLE-FAMILY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
4:53:18PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I'M SORRY.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
CAN I HAVE STAFF, EXPLAIN THERE'S TWO BASES ON WHICH STAFF
DENIED THE APPLICATION FROM THE PETITIONER.
IT'S BASED ON 27-60-A, AND SUBSECTION A, AND SUBSECTION E.
THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE LETTER.
4:53:39PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
THE LETTER, I DO NOT HAVE IN FRONT OF ME.
AL "A" IS THE ONE THAT INTERFERES WITH THE PROPERTY AND B IS
THE APPROVAL OF EXCEPTION OF STANDARD INCLUDES CONDITIONS OF
APPROVAL AS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT ADJUSTMENTS GRANTED
DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A GRANT OR SPECIAL PRIVILEGE
INCONSISTENT WITH THE LIMITATIONS UPON OTHER PROPERTIES IN
THE VICINITY OR WITHIN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT.
4:54:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:54:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. PETTIS-MACKLE, IS THIS LETTER PART OF
THE EVIDENCE OR PART OF THE RECORD?
4:54:24PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
YES, THE STAFF'S DECISION IS IN SIRE.

IT'S A PART OF THE PACKET THAT WAS E-MAILED TO CITY COUNCIL.
4:54:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.
4:54:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:54:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DID YOU SAY PETTIS-MACKLE OR
MANISCALCO?
4:54:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL WHEN I SAY MIRANDA.
IT'S COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:54:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME SAY UNDER YOUR STAFF REPORT I
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT CODE SECTION, CODE REQUIRES
BETWEEN GROUP A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE AND A 6-FOOT MASONRY
WALL WITH A 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER CONSISTENT -- THAT'S
WHAT'S REQUIRED?
4:55:24PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
CORRECT.
THAT'S CORRECT.
4:55:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND THE REQUEST IS FOR A 6-FOOT PVC
FENCE AND A 5-FOOT BUFFER?
4:55:33PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
CORRECT.
4:55:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:55:36PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
4:55:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:55:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ACTUALLY, IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE
PETITIONER.
4:55:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
PETITIONER.
4:55:50PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

CHRISTINA RHANEY ON BEHALF OF PETITIONER, MICHAEL KASS, 1505
NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
I WILL BE VERY BRIEF.
I HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.
SPEAKING WITH ERIC COTTON ON STAFF, HE SAID HE WOULD NOT
HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN.
WE WERE GOING TO DO AN 8-FOOT PVC FENCE WITH A 5-FOOT
HEAVILY LANDSCAPED BUFFER.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY HAD AN OBJECTION WAS
BECAUSE OF THE OBJECTION OF THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH.
THE APPLICANT HAS NO ISSUE WITH BUILDING A TALLER FENCE OR
ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIRED FOR THE BUFFER BUT DUE TO
THE LIMITATIONS HERE, WITH --
4:56:37PM >> OVERHEAD, PLEASE.
4:56:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCUSE ME, IF YOU CAN BRING IT UP.
4:56:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE WE GO.
WE HAVE IT UP THERE.
THERE WE GO.
4:56:48PM >> AS YOU CAN SEE HERE WITH THE TWO BUILDINGS IN YELLOW,
THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY MUCH CLOSER THAN 15 FEET, AND THEN HERE
YOU CAN SEE DETAIL THE STATIONS THAT ALREADY HERE SO IT'S
NOT POSSIBLE WITH THE USE OF THE PROPERTY TO HAVE A 15-FOOT
BUFFER.
4:57:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:57:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THIS IS NOT A NEW BUILDING?

4:57:19PM >> NO, NO.
THESE STRUCTURES ARE EXISTING.
4:57:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
4:57:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I'M SORRY, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION?
4:57:27PM >> YES.
4:57:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WHAT ARE THE
HOURS OF OPERATION OF THIS?
4:57:33PM >> IT DOES NOT HAVE SET HOURS OF OPERATION.
IT'S A TOWING BUSINESS SO IT'S KIND OF NOT NEEDED.
WITH VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT --
4:57:45PM >> CONSTANTLY.
COULD BE 24 HOURS A DAY.
4:57:47PM >> IT COULD BE.
4:57:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND I GUESS MY LINE OF QUESTIONING IS
HEADLIGHTS FLASHING INTO RESIDENTS' WINDOWS.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF LOUD NOISES?
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY DISTRACTIONS OR PEOPLE THAT CANNOT
SLEEP?
4:58:04PM >> I UNDERSTAND.
SO THE PVC FENCING THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IS A SOLID
BARRIER, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY LIGHT INTRUSION FROM THE
PROPERTY.
AS FAR AS LOUD NOISES, I MEAN, NO MORE NOISE THAN CARS
PASSING ON THE STREET OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, I WOULD SAY.

THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING THERE.
4:58:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO IRATE CUSTOMERS HAVING THEIR CAR TOWED
WRONGFULLY?
I AM BEING FACETIOUS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS TO THE PETITIONER?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
4:58:45PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
I WILL TRY TO MAKE MY STATEMENT BRIEF AND TO THE POINT.
EVER SINCE THIS MAN MIKE KASS PURCHASED THE PARCEL AT 1419
NORTH PARK AVENUE WHICH -- MY NAME IS BILL CALVO, AND I
RESIDE AT 4617 NORTH CLARK AVENUE, AND I ABUT THE 4619 ON
THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
EVER SINCE THIS MAN MIKE KASS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT 4619
NORTH CLARK AVENUE, IT HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE.
HE COLLECTS -- THREE RELANDSCAPING COMPANIES ARE THERE, TWO
TO THREE RESIDENCES IN THE BACK BUILDING, WHICH IS ABOUT 230
SQUARE FEET MADE FOR ONE PERSON.
I SHOULD KNOW; I ONCE LIVED THERE.
MR. KASS HAS TOLD PEOPLE, QUOTE, I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY
AND I CAN DO WITH IT WHAT I WANT.
UNQUOTE.
KEEP IN MIND THIS MAN IS A LAWYER AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
WELL, HE CAN'T DO WHATEVER HE WANTS NEXT TO MY HOME, MY
HOMESTEAD OF 27 YEARS.
THEN, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, HE BROKE UP THE FRONT WITH NO

PERMITS AND COULD HAVE HAD IT UP AND POURED IT BACK CEMENT,
WAS SHOWN IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, NO PERMIT, AND
COVERED IT UP WITH NO ENGINEERING, NO ENGINEER SIGNING OFF.
BLACKTOP THE WHOLE SITE, AGAIN NO PERMITS.
THAT'S CAUSED MORE FLOODING TO ME.
ABOUT A YEAR AGO, TAMPA PD NARCOTICS UNIT RAIDED THE PLACE,
THEY ARRESTED AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE FOR DISTRIBUTING
METHAMPHETAMINE, USING THE TOW TRUCKS AND MOTORCYCLES TO DO
SO.
THAT WAS CONFIRMED TO ME BY TAMPA PD BECAUSE I WENT OUT
THERE AND SPOKE WITH THEM.
TAMPA PD TOLD ME WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE.
MR. KASS TOLD ME, QUOTE, THERE ARE NICE PEOPLE THERE.
SURE, THEY ARE.
ONE OF WHICH IS STILL THERE.
A TOW TRUCK DRIVER.
WHEN I LEFT THE SIGN, I LEFT THE SIGN SAYING PLEASE RETURN
MY AMAZON PACKAGE, AFTER FOUR DAYS, HE CAME TO MY DOOR, I
THOUGHT IT WAS THE MAILMAN.
IT WAS THIS TOW TRUCK DRIVER WHO GOT IN MY FACE, THREW THE
SIGN IN MY FACE AND TOLD ME, IF I EVER F-ING GO OVER THERE
HE'S GOING TO DO ME BODILY HARM.
EVER SINCE I ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A FIREARM READY BECAUSE THE
TENANTS HE HAS. MR. KASS ENJOYS A 6-FOOT CEMENT WALL ON HIS
NORTH SIDE, WHICH I HAVE PUT UP WITH MR. MIRANDA'S HELP WAY

BACK.
AND NOW HE RAISED IT TO 10-FOOT CEMENT WALL ON HIS NORTHERN
BUFFER.
HE MUST FOLLOW TAMPA CITY CODE WHICH STATES, NEXT TO A
RESIDENCE YOU MUST PUT UP A 6-FOOT CEMENT WALL FULL LENGTH
OF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND A 15-FOOT BUFFER.
HE WENT AND BLACKTOPPED EVERYTHING.
[BELL SOUNDS]
[NO ENCODER]
AND HE THREATENED TO CAUSE ME PROBLEMS.
THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS AND GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE ON MY
HOMESTEAD, I HAVE SINCE CONSULTED A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY
AND IF NEED WILL FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE U.S. JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO --
5:03:01PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP.
5:03:03PM >> YOU WANT THE PICTURE?
5:03:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
5:03:08PM >> OKAY.
CAN COUNCIL SEE MY PICTURES?
5:03:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU CAN SUBMIT THEM INTO EVIDENCE THAT WAY.
5:03:15PM >> YES, PLEASE.
5:03:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT

WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
5:03:31PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE LAST WORD?
BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED HOURS OF OPERATION.
THEY OPERATE 24/7.
1:40 IN THE MORNING, 4:00 IN THE MORNING, 4:15 IN THE
MORNING.
I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY WERE PRESSURE WASHING
THEIR TRUCKS.
IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE.
THEY GOT ME ON NERVES OVER THERE, AND I URGE COUNCIL TO MAKE
THEM FOLLOW TAMPA CITY CODE WHICH STAFF SAID THAT THEY MUST
FOLLOW.
THAT'S ALL.
5:03:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
5:03:58PM >> WILL YOU BE KEEPING THOSE PICTURES?
5:04:02PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
5:04:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEY ARE GOING TO GO INTO EVIDENCE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
PETITIONER, DO YOU WANT REBUTTAL?
5:04:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT HER TO SEE THE PICTURES?
DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE PICTURES BEFORE REBUTTAL?
THAT'S THE QUESTION.
5:04:20PM >> OKAY, GREAT.
CAN I GO AHEAD AND START?
5:04:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO SEE THE PICTURES

BEFORE YOU STARTED REBUTTAL.
5:04:29PM >> OKAY.
5:05:18PM >> CHRISTINA RHANEY ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER.
I GUESS JUST TO START OFF WITH, I DON'T SEE HOW ANY OF THAT
IS RELEVANT, AND I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF FIVE TENANTS BEING
THERE, ANY OF THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO START OUT WITH THAT AND I DON'T THINK ANY
OF IT IS RELEVANT TO THIS ISSUE HERE WITH THE FENCING.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE INTENDED SECTION 27-284.33 IS TO
REDUCE THE IMPACT OF NEW OR EXPANDED USE ON ADJACENT
EXISTING USES.
SO THE POINT OF THIS WAS TO HAVE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO
CREATE MORE OF A BUFFER AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURES
THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A BUFFER EXISTING AT THIS POINT.
THE CURRENT WOOD FENCE IS FALLING DOWN.
SO THAT'S WHY THE NEW FENCE IS NEEDED.
LET'S SEE, THE REASON A MASONRY WALL WASN'T PROPOSED IS
BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE.
IT WAS ABOUT $55,000, I BELIEVE, WHEREAS A PVC WAS 10,000.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON THAT WAS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED DESIGN AND USE OF THE PROPERTY DOES
NOT IMPACT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER'S ENJOYMENT OF HIS
PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, IT DOES IMPACT THE APPLICANT'S USE OF THE PROPERTY.
IF THAT 15-FOOT BUFFER IS REQUIRED, THE USABLE SPACE HERE IS

GREATLY REDUCED.
JUST DUE TO THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY.
5:07:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I NOTICE YOUR REBUTTAL TIME.
HOWEVER, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A QUESTION.
5:07:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
WHEN WAS THIS PROPERTY PURCHASED?
5:07:40PM >> WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THE PROPERTY?
ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO.
5:07:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THIS WAS ZONED THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW,
CORRECT?
OKAY, THANK YOU.
5:07:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR REBUTTAL TIME OR
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE?
5:07:55PM >> I'M THE APPLICANT.
CAN I SPEAK?
MY NAME IS MICHAEL KASS.
MY OFFICE IS AT 1505 NORTH FLORIDA.
I LISTENED TO MR. CALVO.
I FRANKLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
I HAVE HAD ONE TENANT IN THERE SINCE I PURCHASED IT, AND
APPLIED FOR A CHANGE OF USE AS A RESULT OF A CODE
ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION, WHICH IS WHY I AM HERE TODAY, AND THE
PROPERTY IS ABOUT 235 FEET LONG FROM BACK TO FRONT, AND THAT
I AM TOLD BY MY ARCHITECT THAT THAT'S ABOUT A $55,000 WALL.
THE WALL DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU HAVE A

PLAIN PVC FENCE IN THERE, AND I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE
PROBLEM IS.
I RENT TO A ONE-MAN TOWING COMPANY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR THE
FIVE YEARS, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS THAT I HAVE OWNED IT, AND I
THINK THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY DOING SOME KIND OF
DRUGS THERE, BUT IT CERTAINLY WASN'T MY PROBLEM BUT IT WAS
TAKEN CARE OF.
IT HASN'T OCCURRED SINCE THEN.
AND I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE DESIGN, AND I AM
WILLING ALSO TO GO TO AN 8-FOOT FENCE WHICH WAS PROPOSED BY
MR. COTTON, AND MR. CALVO DENIED THAT.
I HAVE OWNED PROPERTY.
I HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTY FOR 52 YEARS.
I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 52 YEARS.
I PRACTICED LAW HERE AND I TAKE CARE OF MY PROPERTY.
I'M KIND OF AMAZED AT THE FACT THAT MR. CALVO THINGS I HAD A
LANDSCAPING PROBLEM.
I NEVER HAD ANYBODY IN THERE EXCEPT THIS PARTICULAR TENANT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:09:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DOES THAT COMPLETE YOUR REBUTTAL?
5:09:43PM >> YES.
5:09:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
5:09:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HE'S ENTITLED NOW TO REBUTTAL.
5:09:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PETITION?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:10:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATION'S DENIAL OF DESIGN EXCEPTION DE 1-22-235 FOR
THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4619 NORTH CLARK AVENUE BECAUSE
PETITIONER DEMONSTRATED THAT THE PETITION IS CONSISTENT WITH
THE APPLICABLE GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-60.
5:10:33PM >> SECOND.
5:10:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PETITIONER DEMONSTRATED THAT THE PETITION
SET FORTH WITH HAVE BEEN THE GENERAL STANDARD SET FORTH IN
2-60, OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL.
5:10:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
5:10:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO DISCUSS FOR A MINUTE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, FIVE YEARS
TWO, YEARS, WHATEVER.
BUT WHEN YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S UP TO THE
PURCHASER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PURCHASER MEETS ALL THE
QUALIFICATIONS THAT IS NECESSARY AT THE TIME THAT HE OR SHE
MAKES THAT PURCHASE.
THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
5:11:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:11:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.

I AGREE THAT BY BUYING THIS, HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT THE
REQUIREMENTS WERE, OR SHOULD HAVE DONE DUE DILIGENCE.
5:11:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:11:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
5:11:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
5:11:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:11:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
5:11:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:11:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
5:11:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
5:11:48PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA, HURTAK, GUDES,
MANISCALCO, AND CITRO VOTING NO.
5:11:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:11:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MAKE A MOTION TO UPHOLD THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL, I MOVE TO UPHOLD THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF THE DESIGN EXCEPTION APPLICATION
D-1-22-235 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4619 NORTH CLARK
AVENUE BECAUSE THE PETITIONER FAILED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE
APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS SET
FORTH IN SECTION 27-60.
5:12:23PM >> SECOND.
5:12:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.

5:12:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I JUST SAY -- DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER
EVIDENCE TO PUT INTO THE RECORD OR IS THAT THE WHOLE MOTION?
5:12:45PM >> THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BEFOREHAND BEFORE
MAKING THAT PURCHASE.
I DON'T SEE THE -- WHAT IS THE TERM THAT I AM LOOKING FOR?
EXACTLY, THE HARDSHIP AND THE NECESSITY FOR HAVING TO --
THAT'S IT FOR ME.
5:13:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYTHING ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD TO THE
RECORD BASED ON THE TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE?
5:13:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:13:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CITY STAFF DID NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION
TO MOVE FORWARD.
DENY IT.
5:13:35PM >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:13:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH SECTION 27-60
SUBSECTION E, SUBSECTION 5, SUBSECTION A, THAT IT NEITHER
INTERFERES WITH THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS NOR INJURIOUS TO PUBLIC
HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.
5:14:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYTHING, ANYONE ELSE?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:14:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
5:14:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:14:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:14:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.

5:14:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:14:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:14:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
5:14:29PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND VIERA VOTING
NO.
5:14:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
INFORMATION AND REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:14:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T HAVE ANY, SIR.
5:14:45PM >> I APOLOGIZE FOR DOING IT SO LATE TODAY.
BUT I SPOKE TO MR. SHELBY ABOUT THIS EARLIER TODAY.
MR. ROGERO REPORTED BACK TO YOU THAT WE HAVE FOUND MONEY IN
THE BUDGET TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO HELP PREPARE THE
CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO THREE OUTSIDE LAW FIRMS THAT WE HAVE
CONTRACTS WITH TO SEE IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO DO SO.
THEY ALL SAID THEY COULD, BUT IT'S A SHORT TIME FRAME SO I
WANTED TO GIVE THE NAMES TO YOU ALL THIS AFTERNOON TO SEE IF
I COULD GET WHICHEVER LAW FIRM YOU WOULD LIKE.
SO THE LAW FIRMS, THE THREE LAW FIRMS I SPOKE TO WERE BRYANT
MILLER OLIVE, GRAY ROBINSON, AND NABORS GIBLIN.
I HAVE DONE THEM IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.
ALL OF THEM ARE GOOD LAW FIRMS, THEY HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT DO
GOVERNMENTAL LAW, GOVERNMENTAL PRACTICE AND HAVE BEEN
INVOLVED IN CHARTER ISSUES BEFORE.

5:15:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE PROBABLY ALL KNOW ALL THOSE FIRMS BUT
WHAT CRITERIA SHOULD WE USE TO PICK THEM?
IS THERE ANY CRITERIA?
5:15:51PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ALL THREE ARE VERY WELL QUALIFIED FIRMS.
ANY OF THOSE THREE WOULD BE GOOD FIRMS.
THEY ALL HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE WORKED ON CHARTER ISSUES
THAT ARE GOOD GOVERNMENT LAWYERS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO ASK FOR A PREFERENCE, IT'S HARD
TO TELL YOU WHICH ONE IS BETTER.
OVERALL, THE NABORS GIBLIN WE USE PRIMARILY FOR BOND WORK,
BUT THEY ALSO HAVE VERY LARGE GOVERNMENT PRACTICES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND THEY HAVE GOOD
GOVERNMENT LAWYERS.
GRAY ROBINSON IS HERE LOCALLY.
THEY HAVE GOVERNMENT LAWYERS AS WELL.
SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY WERE IN OUR OFFICE.
SO SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH CHARTER
ISSUES AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THREE GOOD CHOICES.
5:16:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW ALL THREE OF THEM.
I WOULD SUGGEST BRYANT MILLER OLIVE, JUST BECAUSE THEY
HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE
HAVE HAD.
ALL THREE ARE GREAT FIRMS.
GRAY ROBINSON HAS TWO FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS.

BUT JUST ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I WOULD SUGGEST BRYANT
MILLER OLIVE.
5:16:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA,
SECONDED BY -- I MEAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
I HAVE A PREFERENCE OF GRAY ROBINSON. THAT'S MY PERSONAL
PREFERENCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:17:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:17:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:17:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:17:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:17:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:17:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:17:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE STATED MY PREFERENCE BUT I WILL GO
ALONG WITH THIS TO MAKE IT UNANIMOUS.
5:17:31PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5:17:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
INFORMATION REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN --
5:17:37PM >> I APOLOGIZE.
I HAVE.
5:17:39PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I GOT UPSTAIRS THAT

THE MOTION THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON ITEM NUMBER 13 HAD A DATE
BY WHICH YOU WANTED THAT BACK, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS DECEMBER
1st, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE IT TO BE UPLOADED INTO SIRE BY
NOVEMBER 17th, WHICH WOULD GIVE ME LESS THAN TWO WEEKS
TO DRAFT IT.
AND I NEED TO RUN IT BY RISK MANAGEMENT, AND ALSO I WOULD
LIKE TO LET SOME OF THE LITIGATION ATTORNEYS IN MY OFFICE
PROVIDE INPUT.
SO I AM HERE TO ASK FOR MORE TIME.
5:18:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DECEMBER 15th.
5:18:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DECEMBER 15th WILL GIVE YOU ENOUGH
TIME?
5:18:18PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
COULD PROBABLY MEET THAT, YES.
5:18:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT WAS A YES?
5:18:22PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THAT WAS A YES.
ON DECEMBER 1st.
YES, SO NEVER MIND.
THANK YOU.
5:18:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
INFORMATION AND REPORT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:18:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NONE SIR.
5:18:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SORRY?
ARE YOU SURE?
5:18:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:18:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T LIKE TO LEAVE THINGS

UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME ISSUES ALONG THE WAY THIS YEAR,
AND DID NOT WANT TO CHANGE OUR CONSTITUTION OR RULES BUT WE
CAN DO THINGS BY ORDINANCE.
SO I AM GOING TO ASK FOR INDULGENCE ON THIS MOTION, OR THIS
ORDINANCE.
MOTION THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR
DISCUSSION FOR FIRST READING AND ADOPTION REGARDING SECTION
APPOINTMENT, THE MAYOR WITHIN 90 DAYS OF TAKING OFFICE
VACANCY SHALL EXIST SHALL NOMINATE AND SUBMIT TO CITY
COUNCIL FOR APPOINTMENT BY NO FEWER THAN FOUR VOTES OF THE
ENTIRE COUNCIL.
THE ADMINISTRATOR ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY RESPONSIBLE EQUAL
TO OR GREATER THAT OTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD.
THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 15 DAYS OF THE SUBMISSION SHALL
APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE SUCH APPOINTMENT.
AND THE FAILURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACT UPON ANY SUCH
NOMINATION WITHIN SAID TIME SHALL BE APPOINTED THEREOF.
IN THE EVENT OF DISAPPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL OF ANY SAID
APPOINTMENT, THE MAYOR WITHIN 90 DAYS THEREAFTER SHALL
SUBMIT TO CITY COUNCIL THE NAME OF ANOTHER NOMINEE.
THE MAYOR MAY SELECT AN INTERIM APPOINTMENT UNTIL
APPOINTMENT OF THE NOMINEE BY CITY COUNCIL WHICH SHALL BE
FOR A PERIOD OF 90 DAYS, AND WHICH MAY BE EXTENDED.
IN ADDITION, 90 DAYS, AND SHALL BE FILLED ONLY BY A PERSON

AN EXISTING EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.
THE REMOVAL OF SUCH OFFICERS SHALL BE EXCLUSIVELY IN THE
MAYOR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CITY CLERK AS PROVIDED IN
SECTION 3.01 HEREIN.
5:20:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FOUNTAIN I MAY.
5:20:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
5:20:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
SO IN LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UTAH
MAKES A NOMINEE FOR SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.
THAT SUPREME COURT NOMINEE IS VETTED THROUGH VARIOUS BODIES
OF GOVERNMENT.
IN HISTORY, THEY USUALLY GET APPROVED.
NOT IN EVERY CASE.
BUT IT GOES THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS.
HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SYSTEM UNTIL
IT'S BEING PROPOSED NOW.
BUT LOOKING AT THIS WITH NO FEWER THAN FOUR VOTES, YOU NEED
FOUR VOTES TO PASS THE BUDGET.
YOU NEED FOUR VOTES TO GET A REZONING PASSED.
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.
FOUR VOTES.
THE MAJORITY OF THE SEVEN.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS WEAKENING THE STRONG MAYOR FORM OF
GOVERNMENT BECAUSE AT THE END IT SAYS THE POWER OF REMOVAL

OF SUCH OFFICERS SHALL BE VESTED EXCLUSIVELY IN THE MAYOR.
SO ONCE THAT PERSON IS APPROVED, RIGHT?
WE CAN'T AS A CITY COUNCIL WITH FOUR VOTES FIRE THAT PERSON.
THE MAYOR AS A STRONG MAYOR HAS THE OPPORTUNITY AND
EXCLUSIVE UNIT TO FIRE THAT INDIVIDUAL.
SO WE MAY NOT LIKE THEIR PERFORMANCE BUT WE CAN'T DO
ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF
GOVERNMENT.
I THINK IT'S FAIR, IT SHOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL.
I UNDERSTAND WE DISCUSSED THIS ON TUESDAY.
BUT I REALLY DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.
WE ARE NOT WEAKENING ANYBODY.
WE ARE NOT EMPOWERING ANYBODY.
AGAIN, THE BUDGET WAS THE BIGGEST ITEM AT ALMOST $2 BILLION,
COMES TO THIS CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN UNFAIR ISSUE.
SO I STAND BY MY SECOND AND WILL BE SUPPORTING IT.
5:22:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HAVE YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY?
5:22:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SORRY, MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
5:22:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
MR. GUDES, WHAT YOU SET FORTH IS ACTUALLY LANGUAGE FROM
6.03, APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY CHARTER, AND YOUR MOTION, I
BELIEVE, BECAUSE THIS LANGUAGE WOULD ACTUALLY BE NECESSARILY
CHANGING THAT APPOINTMENT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS RELATIVE TO THE

CHARTER IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE IF IT WERE AN
ORDINANCE IT MAY BE PROBLEMATIC IF IT CONFLICTS WITH A
SECTION SPECIFICALLY OF SECTION 6.503.
SO WHAT IS YOUR OR COUNCIL'S PLEASURE WITH REGARD TO THIS
PROPOSAL?
5:23:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU ASKING COUNCILMAN GUDES THAT?
5:23:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I PROPOSED THE SAME THING ON TUESDAY, AND
I WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO IT BY ORDINANCE SO I AM
BRINGING IT BY ORDINANCE SO IF IT NEEDS TO BE BY CHARTER, I
THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IMPOSED.
IT'S A NECESSITY TO HAVE THIS DONE.
5:23:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:23:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN YOUR OPINION, COULD WE ADD THIS
UNDERLINED SECTION ABOUT INTERIM APPOINTMENTS BY ORDINANCE?
5:23:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU MANY TO BE DEFINE WHAT AN INTERIM
APPOINTMENT IS UNDER --
5:24:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, THIS UNDERLYING PERIOD -- I'M SORRY,
THIS UNDERLYING, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD ADD BY
ORDINANCE?
5:24:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CONCEPT OF INTERIM APPOINTMENTS
IS NOT DEFINED IN THE CODE, AND WHETHER THAT WOULD BE
RELATED TO BE ABLE TO BE PUT INTO AN ORDINANCE IS A VERY
GOOD QUESTION.
I LIKE THE WORD NOMINATE VERSUS APPOINTMENT.

5:24:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM JUST SAYING BY ORDINANCE, IT'S MY
SUGGESTION, BUT I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU IN A CHARTER
CHANGE AS WELL.
5:24:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT IF YOU HAVE THE LAST SENTENCE, YOU
STILL HAVE THE WORD, AS MR. GUDES WOULD SAY, YOU STILL HAVE
THE WORD "APPOINT" IN THE FIRST SENTENCE AS OPPOSED TO
CHANGING IT TO "NOMINATE."
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A MOTION TO AMEND THAT COULD BE
ENTERTAINED.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT IF MOTION IS BECAUSE IT
APPEARS THAT WHAT THIS IS IS A SECTION OF THE CHARTER THAT
YOU ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE THROUGH AN ORDINANCE.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS?
5:25:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING LISTENING TO THE
COMMENTS TODAY, WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT BY ORDINANCE D.THAT NOT
HAPPEN?
DID THAT NOT HAPPEN TODAY?
5:25:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THE CONFUSION IS THAT IN WHAT YOU
HAVE SHOWN --
5:25:20PM >> MR. CARLSON -- YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
YOU MADE A COMMENT AND WE DID NOT HEAR IT ON THE MICROPHONE.
5:25:28PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I'M SORRY.
YOU HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT SETTLEMENT WASN'T CHANGING ANY
LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER, THAT'S ALSO IN THE CHARTER.
WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING HERE IS BY ORDINANCE, CHANGING

LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE CHARTER, OR LANGUAGE THAT'S
INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN THE CHARTER.
IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
5:25:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MS. ZELMAN, IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF I CAN
GET SUPPORT FOR A CHARTER CHANGE.
BUT I THINK THIS IS NECESSARY.
5:25:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I?
5:25:59PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION?
I'M HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE INTERIM
APPOINTMENT LANGUAGE ACCOMPLISHES.
5:26:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHAT I JUST WROTE DOWN HERE.
5:26:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS, WHAT WE
SAW IS THE INTERIM LANGUAGE WOULD BE THAT THE INTERIM PERSON
CAN ONLY BE AN EMPLOYEE WITHIN THE CITY, VERSUS YOU PUT A
SWITCHEROO, AND OUTSIDE AS AN INTERIM RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE
MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, MAY NOT.
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY DOING CITY BUSINESS OUTSIDE.
THAT PERSON, IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PERSON, SHOULD BE
INSIDE THE HOUSE ALREADY, THAT KNOWS THE BUSINESS, UNTIL
THAT PERSON CAN APPLY, OR AN OUTSIDE PERSON CAN APPLY FOR
THE JOB TO GO FOR A NOMINATION FOR APPOINTMENT BY THIS BODY
BUT I WOULDN'T WANT AN OUTSIDE PERSON TELLING THE CITY.
I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
5:27:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:27:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A COUPLE THINGS.

I WILL USE MY WORD, NOT TRY TO PUT HIS WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.
BUT AN EXAMPLE, WHEN MS. ZELMAN, AN EXAMPLE, WHEN THE POLICE
CHIEF WAS NOMINATED, ADMINISTRATION USED THE WORD POLICE
CHIEF WITHOUT USING INTERIM, AND I FELT DISRESPECTED BECAUSE
CITY COUNCIL HAD NOT APPROVED IT, NOT BECAUSE OF THE PERSON
BUT BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION USED THE TERM POLICE CHIEF
WITHOUT QUALIFYING IT IN ANY WAY.
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT PRESIDENT.
ANYTHING LIKE THAT IT WOULD BE INTERIM OR NOMINATED OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE PERSON ALREADY HAS
A POSITION UNTIL APPROVED.
YOU WOULDN'T SAY SOMEBODY IS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE UNTIL
THE SENATE APPROVES THAT.
YOU WOULD SAY NOMINEE.
AND SO THE PRESUMPTION, AND IT WAS MORE LIKE A MARKETING
POLITICAL TACTIC, I THINK, WAS DISRESPECTFUL TO CITY COUNCIL
BUT ALSO WAS DISRESPECT IT WILL TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK THIS MAKES IT CLEAR.
COUNCILMAN MEMBER GUDES, I THINK THE CONFUSION IS THAT WHAT
YOU HAVE SHOWN US HERE IS AN EDIT TO THE CHARTER, AND THAT
WOULD REQUIRE CHARTER AMENDMENT.
IF YOU WANT TO PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE, WHAT I DID TODAY IS I
WE WROTE IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY SO IT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE.

SO IF YOU WANT AN ORDINANCE MAYBE TAKE OUT THE SENTENCE AND
ASK STAFF TO COME BACK TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE BASED ON THAT
SENTENCE.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EDIT THE WORD APPOINTMENT INSTEAD OF
NOMINATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT A CHARTER
AMENDMENT.
SO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE NOW WHETHER YOU HAVE THE VOTES FOR A
CHARTER AMENDMENT VERSUS AN ORDINANCE.
I PREFER CHARTER AMENDMENT.
THE LAST THING IS, I TRIED TO SAY THE OTHER DAY, AT THIS
LAST SENTENCE, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO A CHARTER AMENDMENT, I
KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY NOT SUPPORT HERE, BUT THERE'S A HUGE
PROBLEM THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ALSO -- UNLIKE THE OTHER
DEPARTMENT HEADS, THE CITY ATTORNEY, BY FLORIDA BAR AND BY
DEFINITION OF THE CHARTER, ALSO REPORTS TO US, AND WITHOUT
GOING INTO ANY DETAILS, EVERY SINGLE DAY I RUN INTO SOME
KIND OF ISSUE WITH THAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS REPRESENTING ONE
OF THEIR CLIENTS AGAINST ANOTHER, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
TO PROBABLY AT SOME POINT, UNLESS WE DEFINE IT IN THE
CHARTER, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A JUDGE TO DECIDE WHO
EXACTLY IS THE CLIENT.
IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THE CHARTER THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY
THAT IS THE CLIENT.
IT LISTS AND DETAILS WHO THE CLIENTS ARE AND EVEN SAYS THE

CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO REPRESENT US INDIVIDUALLY BUT THE CITY
ATTORNEYS THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE
INTERPRETED IT AS THAT THE CITY IS THEIR CLIENT BUT THEN
THEY ACT MORE LIKE THE MAYOR IS THEIR CLIENT F.WE HAD THE
RIGHT TO FIRE THE CITY ATTORNEY, I THINK THAT WOULD CHANGE
THAT.
5:29:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:29:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN AGREE WHEN YOU SAY THAT 6.03,
OTHER THAN UNDER THE CHARTER, WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE, WHICH
IS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH IS THE
MAYOR, WHOEVER THE MAYOR MAY BE, WHOEVER THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
ARE.
BUT THE LAST PART, AND SHALL BE FILLED ONLY BY A PERSON WHO
IS AN EXISTING CITY EMPLOYEE -- EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.
SAME THING.
THAT'S RESTRICTING WHOEVER THAT MAYOR IS, I AM NOT TALKING
ABOUT NOW, DOWN THE LANE, 10, 5 YEARS, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW,
FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
THAT HAPPENS, OR IT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW, I GUESS.
THAT MEANS THAT THE POOL HAS TO COME ONLY FROM AN EXISTING
CITY EMPLOYEE.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE.
5:30:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:30:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, IT SAYS THAT THE INTERIM APPOINTMENT
SHALL ONLY BE FILLED BY A PERSON WHO IS AN EXISTING.

SO INTERIM MEANS JUST FOR THE TIME BEING.
SO WHAT IT WOULD PREVENT IS FOR THE MAYOR TO CHOOSE SOMEONE
FROM A DIFFERENT PART OF THE COUNTRY, SAY FRISK, AND PUT
THEM IN AS AN INTERIM AND HAVE THEM WORK AS AN INTERIM FOR
SIX MONTHS.
5:30:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THAT PART.
5:31:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO COULD YOU HAVE AN INTERIM JUST LIKE, SAY,
BUTCH DELGADO WAS AN INTERIM, BUT THOUGH ENDED UP CHOOSING A
DIFFERENT CANDIDATE, BUT HE COULD HAVE STAYED, THE INTERIM
THE ENTIRE TIME, INSTEAD OF BEING SWITCHED FOR THE CURRENT
POLICE CHIEF BEFORE SHE WAS VOTED ON BY THIS BODY.
AM I GETTING THAT CORRECT?
5:31:22PM >> MS. ZELMAN, YOU ARE AT THE PODIUM.
5:31:29PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
AND I APOLOGIZE.
THIS IS GETTING OFF TRACK BUT I WANTED TO RESPOND BECAUSE
MR. CARLSON SAID THIS AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR, AGAIN.
I REPRESENT THE CITY OF TAMPA AS AN ENTITY.
I DON'T REPRESENT ANY OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
I DON'T REPRESENT THE MAYOR INDIVIDUALLY.
I DON'T REPRESENT JOHN BENNETT OR KELLY AUSTIN OR GENE MAYOR
INDIVIDUALLY.
I REPRESENT THE CITY OF TAMPA AS AN ENTITY.
5:31:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
I'M SORRY.
THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY FALSE.

5:31:59PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
NO, IT IS NOT.
5:32:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT SAYS IN 5.01-A, AND I AM JUST GOING TO
CUT OUT HERE, IT SAYS THE LEGAL ADVISER TO THE MAYOR OF THE
CITY COUNCIL AND COMMITTEES THEREOF AND ALL THE SEVERAL
DEPARTMENTS, OFFICERS BEINGS BOARD, THE GOVERNMENT, AND THEN
ALSO -- I LOST IT BUT IT TALKS ABOUT US INDIVIDUALLY AS
WELL.
WE NEED TO GET A JUDGE TO DECIDE THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T
WANT -- THIS IS NOT FOR THIS ARGUMENT AND THIS MOTION, BUT
THIS IS RIDICULOUS THAT WE ARE GETTING AN INACCURATE OPINION
HERE.
5:32:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE] I THINK THIS IS A
SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND AS AN ENTITY, BECAUSE AS I READ IT,
THEY DON'T APPEAR -- SHE'S A SEPARATE ENTITY.
IT APPEARS SHE REPRESENTS THE MAYOR, THIS COUNCIL, AND
AGAIN, THAT'S MAYBE A DIFFERENT DAY TO LOOK AT
INTERPRETATION, MR. SHELBY, SOMETHING YOU CAN RESEARCH AND
GET ADVICE ON THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW I WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS SITUATION RIGHT HERE
SO WE CAN GET THIS RESOLVED.
5:33:11PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
MAY I MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT 6.03
CHANGE?
I NOTICE THAT IN THIS, YOU HAVE DELETED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT
RESUBMITTING TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE NAME OF THE APPOINTEE.
WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE MINUTES, OR NOT THE MINUTES, THE

RECORDING OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, WE ACTUALLY
TALKED ABOUT THAT AT LENGTH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED
ABOUT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS THAT SOMETIMES
THE MAYOR MAKES AN AMENDMENT TO THE COUNCIL, THEY MAY VOTE
THAT PERSON DOWN, THEN THE MAYOR MAY WANT TO MEET WITH THE
INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND TELL THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE
ABOUT THE PERSON, OR THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO TAKE THE TIME
TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PERSON, AND THEN THE
MAYOR WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESUBMIT THE NAME.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ADDED DURING OUR LAST CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION IN 2018, AND DISCUSSED AT LENGTH.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THAT WAS RECENTLY
ADDED, AND NOW YOU ARE TAKING IT OUT.
5:34:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS ACCURATE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS
PROVIDED BY MS. SEGALA, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES IN THE
ORDINANCE TO ADD THAT RESUBMIT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A REVERSION BACK THAT WAS DONE BY THE
VOTERS THE LAST TIME IN 2019.
5:34:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHERE IS THAT IN THE CHARTER?
WAS THAT IN THE CHARTER?
I DON'T SEE THAT.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
OKAY.
5:34:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:34:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO STICK WITH LEAVING OR RESUBMIT.

I SUPPORT THE MOTION THE WAY IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
5:34:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, THE QUESTION I GUESS WAS YOU
WANTED TO DO IT IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THE
CHARTER CHANGE.
THIS IS REALLY --
5:35:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT WE
ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE, THEN I WILL JUST TAKE AN
UP-OR-DOWN VOTE OF THE CHARTER BEING CHANGED.
I MEAN, IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO YOU TELL ME AS MY LEGAL COUNSEL WHAT I CAN DO TO MOVE ON,
SIR.
5:35:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEN LET ME EXPRESS A CONCERN THAT THIS IS
OFF AGENDA, IT'S UNDER NEW BUSINESS AND IT'S REALLY BRINGING
BACK SOMETHING THAT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE DISCUSSED ON
TUESDAY.
AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER COUNCIL ACTED, SO IT'S ALMOST AS
IF YOU ARE DOING IT AS A CHARTER CHANGE, YOU ARE ACTUALLY
ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY WOULD COME
BACK.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE AMERICAS OF IT.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED TO THE ATTORNEYS.
5:35:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEND IT TO THE OTHER CHARTER MEMBERS.
5:35:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE.
MR. SHELBY, ARE YOU FINISHED?
GIVE US A YES OR NO ANSWER, PLEASE.

5:35:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S PROBLEMATIC TO SAY THAT YOU ARE GOING
TO BRING THIS BACK ON DECEMBER 1st AS A CHARTER CHANGE
AFTER YOU HAD THAT MEETING ON TUESDAY.
IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AS AN ORDINANCE, AND COUNTY BE DONE AS
AN ORDINANCE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
POSITION IS, THEN THAT'S A WORTHY DISCUSSION TO HAVE, BUT IF
COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE THIS AS A CHARTER CHANGE, IT MAY BE AN
ISSUE THAT IT CAME UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
I JUST WANT --
5:36:29PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:36:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT WE HAD DECIDED THAT THE CHARTER
WAS CHANGEABLE AT ANY TIME.
SO I DON'T SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DEAL WITH IT ON
TUESDAY DOESN'T HE MEAN WE CAN'T DEAL WITH IT IN THE FUTURE.
WE JUST CHOSE A LAWYER SO I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ADD
ONE MORE THING.
I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH THAT AT ALL.
I THINK WE JUST NEED A VOTE.
DO YOU WANT TO DO A CHARTER OR NOT?
5:36:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT THE WORD.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE AN UP-OR-DOWN VOTE
IF THAT'S THE CASE.
WE MAY VOTE IT DOWN.
THEN WE COME BACK AND YOU TELL ME HOWL TO DO IT AND WE MOVE
FROM THERE, ABOUT MR. SHELBY.

BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE WITH THIS SECTION.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS SECTION.
5:37:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO A TAMPA HISPANIC BAR
ASSOCIATION AT 6:00.
I'M VERY SORRY.
5:37:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU VOTE YES OR NO.
5:37:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT TO A VOTE, I WILL BE
GLAD TO.
5:37:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF WE CAN END THIS DISCUSSION.
WHO SECONDED THE MOTION BY MR. COUNCILMAN GUDES?
WE JUST DID THIS TWO DAYS AGO.
THERE'S NO NEED TO BE DOING THIS AGAIN.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:37:47PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
5:37:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:38:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:38:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:38:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:38:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
I AM SO SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, LUNCH OR DINNER.
WE ARE VOTING ON A CHARTER AMENDMENT?
OKAY, THEN, NO, NO.
5:38:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MANISCALCO, YES.
5:38:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE IS THE IRONY.
YOU ARE SENDING THIS -- I HAVE HEARD TODAY THE DISTRUST FOR

THE CITY ATTORNEY BUT YOU ARE SENDING THIS TO THE CITY
ATTORNEY TO WRITE IT UP.
NO.
5:38:37PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA AND CITRO VOTING NO.
5:38:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT BLOWS MY MIND.
5:38:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, SIR, IT DON'T BLOW MY MIND. WE TALK
ABOUT TRUST AND VERIFY.
IF SHE'S GOT HER JOB, HER JOB IS TO --
[SOUNDING GAVEL]
5:38:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SHE'S THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND SHE SAID --
5:38:57PM >> [OVERLAPPING CONVERSATIONS]
5:39:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT PISSES ME OFF, MR. CITRO. YOU ALWAYS
OUT OF LINE. YOU TREAT THIS COUNCIL LIKE WE'RE GARBAGE.
5:39:07PM >> NO, THERE'S NO RESPECT HERE.
[OFF MICROPHONE]
5:39:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT ALL, COUNCILMAN GUDES?
5:39:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S ALL, SIR.
5:39:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:39:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
[OFF MICROPHONE] I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRING AN
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CITY'S CHARTER TO REGULATE THE USE OF
REVENUE FOR INVESTIGATION OR SUPPORT FOR THE PROSECUTION OF
ABORTION AND ABORTION RELATED CARE.
VERY QUICKLY, TURN TO THE SECOND PAGE.

BASICALLY, I WANT TO ADD A SECTION 12-POINT -- I'M SORRY,
7.12, REGARDING THE USE OF REVENUES TO THE INVESTIGATION OR
SUPPORT FOR THE PROSECUTION OF ABORTION AND ABORTION-RELATED
CARE.
I WANT TO BRING THIS BACK ON DECEMBER 1st.
I THINK WE HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT THE ORDINANCE IS ALREADY WRITTEN.
SO YOU HAVE TIME TO READ IT.
YOU HAVE A MONTH TO LOOK AT IT, TO TALK ABOUT IT, TO TALK TO
OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
IT IS WRITTEN.
AND I AM JUST REQUESTING RESPECTFULLY YOU ALL WANTED ME TO
DO AN ORDINANCE.
I THINK THIS IS STRONGER.
AND THE LAWYERS THAT I HAVE TALKED TO SAID THIS FITS WITH
WHAT IS ALLOWABLE.
AND I AM TRYING TO DO ANYTHING I CAN TO SUPPORT WOMEN AND
THOSE WHO ARE HEALTH CARE WORKERS THAT WORK WITH WOMEN, AND
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL JUST TO MAKE A MOTION
TO BRING THIS BACK DECEMBER 1st.
5:40:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RUN IT BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY?
5:40:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, THIS IS VETTED BY ATTORNEYS OF MINE.
5:40:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE MY OWN ATTORNEYS SO I DON'T WANT
TO VOTE UNTIL I LOOK AT IT.
5:40:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM ASKING A MOTION TO BRING IT FORWARD ON

DECEMBER 1st GIVING YOU A FULL MONTH TO HAVE YOUR
ATTORNEYS LOOK AT IT.
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
5:41:08PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, THE
DRAFTERS OF THIS -- THIS IS ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY.
THE DRAFTERS OF THIS PUT MY NAME ON IT BUT I DID NOT DRAFT
IT AND I DO NOT RECOMMEND ITS APPROVAL.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS AREA HAS BEEN PREEMPTED TO THE STATE,
BOTH THE REGULATION OF ABORTION AND THE REGULATION OF HEALTH
CARE.
AND I CANNOT RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
5:41:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:41:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS NOTE THE REGULATION OF HEALTH CARE.
THIS IS UNDER REVENUE SECTION FOR USE OF REVENUES TO THE
INVESTIGATION OR SUPPORT OR PROSECUTION OF ABORTION AND
ABORTION-RELATED CARE.
SO IT IS A SEMANTIC DIFFERENCE ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HEALTH
CARE OR FINANCE, WHICH IS I'M GIVING YOU A MONTH TO LOOK AT
OVER.
5:42:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I?
5:42:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:42:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
MAY I SUGGEST, BECAUSE AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IN THE
MIDDLE OF A VOTE LIKE THIS.
MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE BRING IT BACK FOR A REPORT ON

FEASIBILITY --
5:42:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
5:42:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)
5:42:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I WANT AN UP-OR-DOWN VOTE ON IT.
5:42:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DO, TOO, BUT BRINGING IT BACK SO STAFF CAN
TAKE A LOOK AT IT, ANALYZE IT.
AND THAT'S FINE.
YOU SAY --
5:42:32PM >> WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY?
WE HAVE A MOTION.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:42:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:

5:42:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:

5:42:47PM >> CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT?
I SAW A DRAFT OF THIS.
5:42:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:42:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAW A DRAFT OF THIS A FEW DAYS AGO AND
JUST NOW I AM SEEING THIS DRAFT.
I WOULD VOTE FOR HAVING IT COME BACK IN A FEW DAYS WHICH
WOULD STILL GIVE US ENOUGH TIME BY DECEMBER 1st BUT I
DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN
LOOKED AT.

IF IT'S SHORT THEN IT'S FINE BUT SOMETHING THIS LONG, I
DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN IT.
5:43:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
5:43:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
5:43:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
5:43:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:43:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:

5:43:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:43:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
5:43:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
5:43:26PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA, CARLSON, VIERA,
MANISCALCO AND CITRO VOTING NO.
5:43:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO SET A SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING ON
EITHER NOVEMBER 8th OR NOVEMBER 10th AT 8 A.M. IN
THE SISTER CITIES ROOM TO DISCUSS THE PROGRESSION OF
MEETINGS, INCLUDING ORDER OF BUSINESS, STAFF REPORTS, VERSUS
MEMOS, AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:43:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOVEMBER 10th.
5:43:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
8 A.M.
I SAID IT IN MY -- YOU KNOW WHAT?
I AM AT THE POINT THAT I WILL BE HERE AT 6:00.
5:44:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FANTASTIC. CAN WE ALSO HAVE RULES OF
PROCEDURES INVOLVED WITH THAT, TOO?
5:44:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.

ABSOLUTELY.
5:44:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND I WILL BE PROVIDING --
5:44:10PM >> I SECOND THAT MOTION.
5:44:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
ENTHUSIASTIC SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CHAIRMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THIS IS NOVEMBER 10th, 8 A.M.
5:44:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCUSE ME, WOULD THAT BE A SPECIAL
DISCUSSION MEETING FOR -- IS THAT ON YOUR MOTION?
WHAT DID YOU SAY?
5:44:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:44:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:44:40PM >>THE CLERK:
VIERA?
GUDES?
TO HAVE A SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING.
5:44:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN JUST BEFORE YOU VOTE, THAT IS AN
HOUR PRIOR TO THE CRA NEXT THURSDAY.
IS THAT CORRECT?
5:44:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:45:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT HAS TO BE NOTICED AND I WILL GET THAT
GOING AND MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL HAS COPIES OF THE RULES OF
PROCEDURE.
5:45:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:45:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:45:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

5:45:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:45:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
5:45:16PM >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
5:45:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE RECEIVE AND FILE?
5:45:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:45:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOTHING, SIR, THANK YOU.
5:45:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:45:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD REAL FAST.
SORRY.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE
TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER DAY WAS NAMING CONVENTION AND IT
WHATS RECOMMENDED TO BRING IT BACK AS AN FORD ORDINANCE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BE RETURN ON
DECEMBER 15 WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WILL CODIFY THE
NAMING PROCEDURES RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR'S NAMING
COMMITTEE AND TO ESTABLISH A PROCESS WHEREBY THE MAYOR AND
CITY COUNCIL WILL BOTH APPROVE ANY PROPOSED NAMING OF A CITY
BUILDING, PLACE OR ROAD.
I'M SORRY, HERE ARE COPIES OF IT.
5:46:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:46:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION.
5:46:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY DISCUSSION?
5:46:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

THERE IS A NAMING -- THERE IS A NAMING COMMITTEE, IS THAT
CORRECT?
OR NONE?
IS THE.
5:46:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT WAS A WHOLE PROCESS THAT THE MAYOR SET
UP A NAMING COMMITTEE THAT ADVISED ON THE NAME PROCESS, AND
THE POINT HERE IS THAT THERE WAS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THE
MAYOR PUT FORWARD.
WE DID NOT CODIFY THAT.
AND I DON'T WANT TO CODIFY I THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER BECAUSE IT
HAS A BAD WHEREAS CLAUSE IN IT, BUT THE PROCESS THE MAYOR
RECOMMENDED AND PUT THAT INTO AN ORDINANCE, AND WE WOULD
CODIFY THAT.
BUT THEN WE WOULD ADD THAT A NAME MUST BE APPROVED BY CITY
COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
WE CANNOT NAME SOMETHING WITHOUT THE MAYOR, AND THE MAYOR
CAN'T NAME SOMETHING WITHOUT US.
5:46:59PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IF I COULD INTERRUPT.
I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE A MOTION PENDING FOR DECEMBER
15th THAT READS ALMOST EXACTLY THAT WAY, COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
5:47:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, BECAUSE OF DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY I
WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT INTO --
5:47:14PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK IT'S ALREADY ON THE CALENDAR, I
BELIEVE.

5:47:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE 15th?
5:47:20PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK IT'S SCHEDULED TO COME BACK ON THE
15th OF DECEMBER.
5:47:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY, SO
GIVE US A DRAFT ORDINANCE.
5:47:31PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION YOU HAVE FOR DECEMBER 15th FOR
LEGAL STAFF TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL CODIFY THE
MAYOR'S RECOMMENDED PROCESS FOR NAMING BUILDINGS, ROADS,
STRUCTURES, AND OTHER CITY PROPERTIES, AND TO ESTABLISH AN
APPROVAL PROCESS THAT WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE MAYOR.
5:47:48PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SO IT'S ALREADY THERE.
5:47:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S IT.
5:47:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO THAT'S THE MOTION.
5:47:56PM >> IT'S ALREADY ON THE AGENDA.
5:47:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY.
OKAY.
BAD MEMORY I GUESS FROM COVID OR SOMETHING.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS THIS MORNING I STARTED TO
MAKE A MOTION REGARDING AN INCIDENT THIS MORNING.
SINCE THEN OVER LUNCH I TALKED TO THE TWO PARTIES.
I TALKED TO BOTH SIDE OF THE ISSUE.
AND BOTH WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ME MAKING A
MOTION.
SO I WILL NOT MAKE A MOTION ON THE SUBJECT.
5:48:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

5:48:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN.
IF I CAN.
JUST SO YOU ARE CLEAR.
THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT IS ON SECTION 2.14 ABOUT AN
INVESTIGATION.
IS THAT RELEVANT TO THAT SUBJECT?
I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR OF THE MOTION.
5:48:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM NOT MAKING A MOTION.
5:48:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OH, YOU ARE WITHDRAWING?
I GOT IT.
5:48:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WITHDRAW MY MOTION EARLIER.
AND I AM SAYING NOW THAT I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
5:49:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDERSTOOD.
I'M SORRY.
5:49:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CITRO, YOU HAVE A MOTION?
5:49:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
I MOVE TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE ROTARY CLUB OF TAMPA
FOR THEIR 2022 FLAGS FOR HILLSBOROUGH PROGRAM THAT WILL TAKE
PLACE ON NOVEMBER 11th, 2022 AT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SET
VETERANS PARK, THAT CONSISTS OF MORE THAN 200 FLAGS, FROM
MEMORIAL PARK TAMPA FROM NOVEMBER 10th TO NOVEMBER
12th, 2022, AS STRENGTH OF THE COMMUNITY NOW AND IN THE
FUTURE, THE FLAGS WILL BEAR A MEDALLION WITH THE NAME OF
THEIR HONORARY, SERVICE INFORMATION, SPONSOR'S NAME AND WILL

BE TENDED AND PROPERLY ILLUMINATED FOR THE PUBLIC TO VISIT.
5:49:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY CHAIRMAN CITRO, SECOND BY
MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
5:49:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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