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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 2022
9:00 A.M.

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09:01:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE COUNCIL MEETING HELD THIS DATE, NOVEMBER
09:01:02AM 3, 2022.
09:01:04AM WHO HAS THE INVOCATION TODAY?
09:01:11AM >>LUIS VIERA: I DO, SIR.
09:01:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:01:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: MY GREAT PLEASURE TO INVITE MR. CAREY NANCE.
09:01:26AM MARRIED WITH HIS WIFE, AMY, AND HAVE BEEN MARRIED -- WOW, COMING
09:01:31AM UP ON 30 YEARS.
09:01:32AM THAT IS GREAT.
09:01:33AM THREE CHILDREN.
09:01:34AM AND HIS PARENTS WERE BOTH BAPTIST MINISTERS AND EARNED A
09:01:40AM MASTER'S DEGREE FROM TRINITY COLLEGE IN 2005 AND BEGAN
09:01:46AM MINISTRY AT SOUTHSIDE BAPTIST CHURCH IN TAMPA, FLORIDA,
09:01:50AM WHERE HE IS THE PASTOR AND THE POLICE CHAPLAIN SINCE 2005.
09:01:55AM A GREAT PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU TODAY AND IF EVERYBODY WILL
09:01:58AM STAND FOR THE PRAYER AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE.
09:02:00AM >> I WANT TO SAYS IT AN HONOR TO BE HERE TODAY.
09:02:05AM AND BEFORE I PRAY, MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE DEVASTATION
09:02:08AM DOWN IN FORT MYERS AND THAT AREA.
09:02:11AM AND WE TRULY HAVE MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR HOW GOD HAS
09:02:17AM SUSTAINED THIS CITY THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
09:02:18AM REMINDED IN PSALM 103, BLESS THE LORD, OH MY SOUL, AND FORGET
09:02:24AM NOT HIS BENEFITS AND LET'S DO THAT THIS MORNING.
09:02:26AM OUR FATHER, WE WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT THIS MORNING TO THANK
09:02:30AM YOU AND TO RECOGNIZE YOUR GREAT MERCY UPON THIS CITY AND HOW
09:02:34AM YOU HAVE BLESSED US.
09:02:37AM AND LORD, WE THANK YOU HOW YOU HAVE ALLOWED THIS CITY TO
09:02:41AM GROW AND PROSPER.
09:02:42AM AND LORD, WE RECOGNIZE IT HAS BEEN YOUR HAND OF GRACE THAT
09:02:46AM HAS SUSTAINED US.
09:02:46AM LORD, AS WE HAVE EVEN SEEN DEVASTATION DOWN SOUTH.
09:02:50AM AND, LORD, WE REALIZE THAT STORM COULD HAVE LANDED HERE AND,
09:02:54AM LORD, THAT OUR AGENDA COULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT TODAY, BUT
09:02:58AM GOD, YOU HAVE BEEN KIND TO US.
09:02:59AM SO, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AND WE WANT TO PRAISE YOU
09:03:02AM FOR THAT.
09:03:03AM LORD, AS WE COME TO THIS HOUR AND THIS DAY, LORD, WE
09:03:06AM RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED YOUR HELP AND YOUR GRACE AND YOUR
09:03:10AM WISDOM.
09:03:10AM AND LORD, THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS AND MANY TASKS BEFORE THIS
09:03:14AM COUNCIL.
09:03:14AM AND I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD, LORD, HELP THEM AND GIVE THEM,
09:03:19AM LORD, THE WISDOM THAT THEY NEED AND THE DIRECTION THAT THEY
09:03:21AM NEED.
09:03:22AM WE PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR, THAT YOU WILL BLESS HER AND LORD, OUR
09:03:26AM TAMPA POLICE.
09:03:27AM AND OUR FIRE AND THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS.
09:03:30AM LORD, EVERY DAY THAT THEY STAND ON THOSE FRONT LINES.
09:03:33AM GOD, WILL YOU HELP THEM, BLESS THEM.
09:03:41AM LORD, OUR -- OUR CITY IS TRULY BLESSED BECAUSE OF YOU.
09:03:48AM AND WE ARE IN NEED OF YOU.
09:03:51AM SO WE ASK TODAY THAT YOU WILL HELP US TO RECOGNIZE OUR
09:03:55AM DEPENDENCE UPON THEE AND I PRAY, OH GOD THAT YOUR GRACE WILL
09:04:00AM BE SUFFICIENT IN OUR HEARTS, OUR HOMES.
09:04:02AM THAT YOU WILL HELP US AND, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR JESUS
09:04:05AM CHRIST AND FOR HOW HE HAS COME TO BE A SAVIOR FOR US.
09:04:09AM LORD, MAY WE LOOK TO HIM TODAY FOR STRENGTH.
09:04:11AM AND LORD, WILL YOU CONTINUE TO OVERSHADOW THIS PLACE AND
09:04:15AM THIS CITY AND IN JESUS'S NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
09:04:18AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL.
09:04:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:04:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:04:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:04:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:04:46AM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL FORUM.
09:04:48AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:04:50AM MR. SHELBY.
09:04:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
09:04:57AM COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:04:57AM TODAY IS NOVEMBER 3, 2022.
09:05:00AM 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
09:05:02AM THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH,
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09:05:10AM CHANNEL 15 AND LIVESTREAMING ON THE INTERNET AT
09:05:15AM TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
09:05:16AM AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN ATTEND IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY
09:05:19AM PARTICIPATE THROUGH WHAT IS REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA STATUTE
09:05:23AM AS RULES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.
09:05:26AM PLEASE NOTE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT THROUGH THE USE OF CMT AND
09:05:31AM QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED.
09:05:35AM THE RULES FOR THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB
09:05:38AM SITE ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEB PAGE THROUGH THAT PAGE.
09:05:41AM HTTPS.TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
09:05:51AM TO ORDER TO PARTICIPATE, PREREGISTRATION, AND TO USE CMT,
09:05:56AM WAIVE THE RULES.
09:05:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:06:00AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:06:01AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:06:03AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:06:04AM GO THROUGH THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
09:06:07AM CHIEF.
09:06:07AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF
09:06:17AM OF STAFF.
09:06:17AM GOOD MORNING TO OUR PUBLIC.
09:06:18AM A QUICK RECAP AFTER YESTERDAY'S AGENDA REVIEW SESSION.
09:06:23AM SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO STAFF REPORTS.
09:06:30AM ITEM NUMBER 4 ORIGINALLY THERE WAS NOTHING TO REPORT;
09:06:33AM HOWEVER, AT THE MEETING ON TUESDAY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,
09:06:37AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED OUR CFO TO COME BACK WITH A
09:06:41AM FINANCIAL RESOURCE FOR SOMETHING, AND HE IS FOLLOWING TO DO THAT
09:06:44AM UNDER ITEM 4, IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:06:48AM ITEMS 5-7, STAFF IS HERE AND THEY OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE A VOTE.
09:06:57AM ITEMS 8-9, AN APPEARANCE AND REPORT.
09:07:00AM MANY OF THESE HAD MEMOS SUBMITTED.
09:07:02AM ITEM NUMBER 10, STAFF IS WILLING TO MONITOR AND A MEMO ON
09:07:06AM FILE.
09:07:06AM ITEM 11 AND 12, A READING FOR THAT, FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS.
09:07:12AM ITEMS 13 AND 14 REQUIRE A LEGAL REPORT.
09:07:14AM ITEMS 15 AND 16 HAVE AN APPEARANCE AND REPORT TOGETHER.
09:07:18AM STAFF IS AVAILABLE.
09:07:20AM ITEMS 17, THERE IS A LEGAL REPORT AS WELL.
09:07:24AM ITEM 18 HAS A DRAFT AND PRESENTATION.
09:07:27AM ITEM 19 WAS REQUESTED TO BE CONTINUED.
09:07:29AM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ITEM 35 WAS PULLED.
09:07:32AM AND STAFF WILL BE HERE FOR THAT AS WELL.
09:07:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:07:38AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:07:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM FINE WITH A REPORT FOR ITEM 16, AND I DON'T
09:07:43AM NEED ANYONE TO APPEAR FOR THAT.
09:07:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL WANT TO HEAR A
09:07:51AM VERBAL REPORT.
09:07:52AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, ARE YOU SAYING WE CAN TAKE 16 OFF THE
09:07:56AM AGENDA?
09:07:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOVELY WRITTEN
09:07:59AM REPORT.
09:07:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN CLARIFY AND I DON'T
09:08:03AM KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO WHAT WE NORMALLY DO, TO HAVE
09:08:08AM STAFF PRESENT FOR THE ONES THAT CONTAIN THE MEMORANDUM OR IF
09:08:11AM -- IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEY CAN BE RELEASED FROM HAVING TO
09:08:17AM APPEAR.
09:08:17AM I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE THEN, DO YOU WANT TO PRODUCE
09:08:21AM -- PROCEED THAT WAY OR ASK COUNCIL.
09:08:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I ASKED IF ANYONE IN COUNCIL WANTED TO HEAR
09:08:28AM THIS.
09:08:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: TALKING ABOUT 16?
09:08:32AM I AM LATE, 16, NO?
09:08:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ITEM NUMBER 16.
09:08:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: RECEIVE AND FILE AT THE TIME -- NO, YOU DO
09:08:40AM IT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST IN CASE.
09:08:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:08:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID I UNDERSTAND THAT 35 IS BEING TAKEN OFF
09:08:47AM THE AGENDA?
09:08:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE REQUEST IS TO PULL IT FROM
09:08:53AM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PUT IT UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:08:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAD A NICE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
09:08:58AM I MISHEARD.
09:09:00AM THANK YOU.
09:09:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU WANT TO
09:09:05AM TAKE THAT UP?
09:09:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DURING STAFF REPORT.
09:09:09AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WOULD SUGGEST IN THE FIRST FEW BECAUSE
09:09:12AM REQUIRES A VOTE.
09:09:12AM I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT, IF I COULD, AND THANK THE CLERK'S
09:09:16AM OFFICE WORKING WITH MY OFFICE TO ORGANIZE THE FRONT ENDS OF
09:09:19AM THE AGENDA BASED ON VOTING AND REPORTING.
09:09:21AM IF WE CAN MOVE THAT UP FOR THE VOTING BAND, THAT WILL BE
09:09:26AM HELPFUL.
09:09:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: RIGHT AFTER ITEM NUMBER 4.
09:09:29AM >>JOHN BENNETT: YES, SIR.
09:09:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:09:32AM AGENDA ITEMS -- EXCUSE ME, 17, 18 AND 19 ARE ASKING TO BE
09:09:38AM CONTINUED UNTIL DECEMBER 15.
09:09:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED.
09:09:46AM >> SECOND.
09:09:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY
09:09:51AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO MOVE AGENDA ITEMS 17, 18 AND 19 WHICH
09:09:55AM ARE FILE NUMBER CM 20770.
09:10:02AM CM 22-7483 TO DECEMBER 15, 2022.
09:10:11AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:10:12AM THANK YOU.
09:10:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A MOTION BY
09:10:25AM COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM.
09:10:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:10:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:10:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE A WALK-ON FOR A PERSON TO SERVE
09:10:37AM BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT NEXT MEETING ON FRIDAY.
09:10:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD WE LIKE TO DO THAT FIRST THING WHICH
09:10:43AM SHOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG.
09:10:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG.
09:10:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
09:10:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:10:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY I WAS LATE.
09:10:55AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF IS HERE FOR 11, 12 AND 13.
09:11:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS STAFF GOING TO BE PRESENT FOR EVERY
09:11:03AM OTHER ONE?
09:11:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:11:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
09:11:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FROM
09:11:09AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:11:10AM IS THERE A SECOND?
09:11:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: GUIDO SECONDED.
09:11:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SECONDED BY
09:11:21AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:11:22AM THANK YOU.
09:11:24AM WE WILL TAKE THAT RIGHT BEFORE NUMBER 1.
09:11:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN TAKE THAT FIRST AFTER PUBLIC
09:11:29AM HEARING, WE CAN TAKE THAT AS WELL, IF POSSIBLE.
09:11:32AM OR TAKE IT AFTER NUMBER 1.
09:11:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:11:36AM WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:11:37AM ANYONE WISHING -- I APOLOGIZE.
09:11:42AM WE WILL DO CEREMONIALS AT THIS TIME.
09:11:49AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:11:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
09:11:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
09:11:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN
09:12:02AM MANISCALCO AND SECONDED BY GUDES.
09:12:04AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:12:04AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:12:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:12:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU OKAY, COUNCILMAN GUDES?
09:12:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM JUST HERE, MY BROTHER.
09:12:20AM JUST HERE.
09:12:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HEAR YOU.
09:12:23AM WE ARE ALL JUST HERE.
09:12:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WATER WISE AWARD RECIPIENT, PLEASE COME
09:12:35AM FORWARD.
09:12:35AM COME ON UP GUYS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
09:12:41AM HONORABLE CHAIRMAN OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, HONORABLE MEMBERS
09:12:46AM OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:12:47AM MY PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU ALONG WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT
09:12:51AM HEAD CHUCK KANSAS WEBER.
09:12:54AM I HAD TO GIVE YOUR MIDDLE NAME, KANSAS.
09:12:57AM AND BRAD BAIRD.
09:12:59AM AND I BELIEVE IT IS TONY MONK AND MEGAN.
09:13:07AM OKAY.
09:13:08AM I AM SORRY.
09:13:09AM WHAT THIS IS -- WE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WITH
09:13:11AM THEIR PROPERTY AND READ THE COMMENDATION FOR THEM.
09:13:15AM ALL NATURAL, ALL BEAUTIFUL LOOKING.
09:13:18AM >> WE CAN'T SEE IT?
09:13:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU CAN'T SEE IT?
09:13:27AM THIS MEANS THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK, SPENT A LOT OF
09:13:31AM MONEY AND USED VERY LITTLE WATER.
09:13:33AM CONGRATULATIONS.
09:13:44AM LET ME READ THE COMMENDATION, IF I MAY.
09:13:46AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE TONY AS BEING THE WINNER OF
09:13:55AM THE 2022 WATER WISE AWARD PRESENTED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA
09:14:01AM WATER DEPARTMENT.
09:14:01AM OVER 20 YEARS OF RECOGNITION AND TALENTED PEOPLE WHO CREATED
09:14:05AM THE AWARD-WINNING LANDSCAPING OF USE OF NINE PRINCIPLES OF
09:14:09AM FLORIDA'S FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING AND COMMITTED TO CONVERSATION
09:14:11AM OUR WATER RESOURCE AND PROTECTED THE ENVIRONMENT BY USING
09:14:14AM ATTRACTIVE FLORIDA-FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING.
09:14:17AM ALL THOSE WORDS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND TO THE
09:14:20AM ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE STEPS ARE GOING TO BE STEPS
09:14:23AM AND MILES AND THOUSANDS OF GALLON ARE SAVED AND MILLIONS
09:14:27AM POSSIBLY IF EVERYBODY LISTENING TO NATURE.
09:14:30AM AND YOU HAVE DONE AN EXTENSIVE WORK IN CREATING WHAT YOU
09:14:35AM CREATED A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING YARD.
09:14:37AM AND YOU ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR THAT, FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT
09:14:40AM ON IT.
09:14:41AM BUT REALLY FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT HELPING THE EARTH STAY A
09:14:45AM LITTLE CLEANER.
09:14:46AM FOR THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH AND HAPPY TO
09:14:49AM PRESENT THIS AWARD TO YOU, ALONG WITH MR. CHUCK AND MR. BRAD
09:14:53AM BAIRD.
09:14:53AM THIS AWARD IS YOURS, SIR.
09:14:58AM AND THE PICTURES AND THE PAINTS AND THE PRINTS TELL THE
09:15:01AM WHOLE STORY.
09:15:02AM YOU DID THE HARD WORK SO YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME TO MY HOUSE
09:15:05AM AND START.
09:15:05AM [LAUGHTER]
09:15:07AM [APPLAUSE]
09:15:15AM >> I AM SURE YOU WILL HAVE PLENTY OF BUSINESS TO DO.
09:15:19AM WE STARTED THIS LONG BEFORE WE KNEW THIS AWARD EXISTED.
09:15:23AM AND WE STARTED TO CONVERT OUR HOME AWAY FROM LAWN,
09:15:26AM IRRITATION AND CHEMICALS BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS THE RIGHT
09:15:29AM THING TO YOU FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
09:15:32AM AND WE ONLY PURSUED THE AWARD BECAUSE WE HOPED TO
09:15:36AM DEMONSTRATE TO OTHERS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A LOVELY HOME AND DO
09:15:39AM THESE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE BROADER COMMUNITY AND FOR
09:15:42AM THE ENVIRONMENT AND FOR OUR DRINKING WATER RESOURCES.
09:15:44AM SO I DON'T -- I DIDN'T DO THIS PERSONALLY FOR THE
09:15:48AM COMMENDATION, BUT I HOPE THAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL SEE IT AND
09:15:51AM TAKE STEPS TO MAKE THEIR LITTLE PIECE OF TAMPA A LITTLE BIT
09:15:56AM BETTER.
09:15:56AM THAT'S ALL.
09:15:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:15:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COUNCILMEMBERS LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING.
09:16:03AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:16:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: CONGRATULATIONS AND APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK
09:16:08AM YOU DO.
09:16:08AM YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY IN TUNE WITH IT AND PASSIONATE.
09:16:12AM THANK YOU.
09:16:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:16:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AGAIN, THANK YOU, CONGRATULATIONS.
09:16:19AM YOU AND THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT WORK HARD.
09:16:22AM AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU TO DO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A
09:16:27AM BETTER PLACE.
09:16:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:16:30AM >> I AM AN EMPLOYEE OF THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT BUT THIS
09:16:34AM WAS DONE BEFORE I WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE PARK AND REC
09:16:38AM DEPARTMENT, TO BE CLEAR.
09:16:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS AND HOPEFULLY YOU
09:16:41AM WILL BE AN INSPIRATION FOR OTHERS.
09:16:43AM I SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE DOING THIS AND WE HOPE TO BE ABLE
09:16:46AM TO CONVERT EVERYBODY.
09:16:48AM THANK YOU.
09:16:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:16:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LITTLE KNOWN FACT BEFORE I GOT APPOINTED.
09:16:54AM THIS WAS MY GOAL FOR THE YEAR TO DO THIS TO MY YARD.
09:16:59AM I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME AT HOME LIKE I USED TO.
09:17:03AM I AM WORKING TOWARD THAT GOAL.
09:17:04AM YOUR YARD IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF HOW ALL OF US CAN MAKE
09:17:08AM OUR YARDS FLORIDA FRIENDLY AND USING LESS -- I LOVE USING
09:17:12AM LESS WATER AND CHEMICALS.
09:17:13AM SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING THIS.
09:17:16AM CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
09:17:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU WISH TO SPEAK.
09:17:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:17:26AM I WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED.
09:17:27AM AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
09:17:28AM YOU KNOW A NICE YARD IN A COMMUNITY MAKES IT WHERE PEOPLE
09:17:35AM SAY, OH, WOW.
09:17:36AM THEY WANT TO GO OUT AND HAVE A GREEN THUMB.
09:17:39AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR --
09:17:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AS WATER BECOMES MORE OF A COMMODITY THAN
09:17:52AM GOLD, WE ARE LOOKING AT YEARS DOWN THE LINE WHEN MORE AND
09:17:56AM MORE PEOPLE MOVE TO THIS AREA.
09:17:58AM I WANT THIS TO BE THE SHOWCASE TO TEACH PEOPLE TO CONSERVE
09:18:03AM AND USE WATER WISELY.
09:18:04AM THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FOREFRONT.
09:18:07AM THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ALL OF TAMPA HOW THEY CAN CONSERVE
09:18:10AM WATER AND STILL HAVE BEAUTIFUL YARDS.
09:18:11AM THANK YOU.
09:18:12AM >> THANK YOU.
09:18:13AM [APPLAUSE]
09:18:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:18:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:18:39AM AGAIN, MY PLEASURE, HONORABLE CHAIR AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF
09:18:44AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE THE CITY OF WATER BACKFLOW
09:18:48AM MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION TEAM COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
09:18:51AM [APPLAUSE]
09:18:58AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:19:00AM DON'T BE BASHFUL.
09:19:03AM [LAUGHTER]
09:19:04AM I AM THE ONLY GUY THAT IS BALD.
09:19:07AM COME ON.
09:19:12AM AGAIN, BEFORE I READ THE COMMENDATION, THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS
09:19:15AM THAT ARE BEHIND THE SCENES.
09:19:18AM THE ONLY ONES THAT SEE THEM ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH
09:19:21AM THEM.
09:19:22AM AND WHAT THEY DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, SOMETHING TO KEEP US
09:19:25AM SAFE.
09:19:26AM THE WATER SIDE OF DRINKING.
09:19:28AM AND THEY DO A VERY ADMIRABLE JOB.
09:19:31AM BUT I THINK THE COMMENDATION'S WORDING WILL SAY IT ALL.
09:19:36AM CRITICAL JOBS ARE OVERLOOKED AND BACKFLOW PREVENTION PLAY AS
09:19:43AM ROLE.
09:19:43AM BACKFLOW SAVES LIVES AND PROTECTS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND
09:19:48AM WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
09:19:49AM MEASURES TAKEN LONG AGO TO REQUIRE SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT TO
09:19:55AM PREVENT CROSS CONTAMINATION OF A WATER SYSTEM WITH BACKFLOW
09:20:00AM SYSTEM RUNNING PROPERLY, THE WATER SYSTEM IS AT NO RISK FOR
09:20:03AM ANY POLLUTANTS GETTING INTO IT.
09:20:05AM THIS SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT REQUIRES REGULAR TESTING,
09:20:09AM MAINTENANCE.
09:20:09AM RECENTLY MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA BACKFLOW, MAINTENANCE
09:20:14AM AND INSPECTION TEAM WERE CERTIFIED IN CRITICAL NEEDS.
09:20:17AM THIS TEAM AND THE SUPERVISOR ARE THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE
09:20:20AM FOR THE CITY'S IMPORTANT BACKFLOW MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
09:20:25AM HONOR TO RECOGNIZE THE BEHIND-THE-SCENE EMPLOYEES AND
09:20:28AM SUPERVISORS FOR PROTECTING OUR HEALTH AND OUR DAILY SAFETY.
09:20:33AM THANK YOU FOR THE SUPERVISOR AND CERTIFICATION INSTRUCTOR
09:20:37AM FRANK ZIMMER AND HIS TEAM.
09:20:38AM THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN THE TEAM.
09:20:40AM I WILL TRY TO PRONOUNCE THEIR NAME.
09:20:44AM MO, ROCKY ARROYO, WILLIE, LOUIS, ROSS, KEVIN RICHARDSON,
09:20:53AM ADAM, AND LAZARO.
09:20:56AM AM I RIGHT SO FAR?
09:20:58AM GIVE ME AN A.
09:21:00AM AND I WILL LET THEM SPEAK.
09:21:02AM IT IS A REAL THING THAT WITHOUT INDIVIDUALS LIKE THIS -- NOT
09:21:06AM ONLY IN THIS CITY -- BUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE UNITED STATES
09:21:09AM OF AMERICA, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE WATER QUALITY WE WOULD HAVE
09:21:13AM TODAY AND THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
09:21:15AM AGAIN, I WANT TO APPLAUD THEM FOR BEING WHO THEY ARE.
09:21:18AM AND GIVE THEM A -- THEY ARE ALL GOING TO GET A COMMENDATION
09:21:27AM IN PAPER AND THIS WILL HANG IN THE OPTION, I HOPE.
09:21:30AM I WILL HAND IT OUT TO THEM AND I AM PUTTING IT LIKE THIS
09:21:34AM LIKE IT IS IN ORDER.
09:21:35AM [LAUGHTER]
09:21:54AM I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CITY COUNCIL
09:21:57AM FOR THIS AWARD -- FOR THESE GUYS.
09:22:01AM THESE GUYS WORK HARD EVERY DAY.
09:22:03AM AND THEY DESERVE IT.
09:22:05AM GOOD JOB, GUYS.
09:22:07AM THANK YOU, AGAIN.
09:22:07AM [APPLAUSE]
09:22:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:22:18AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:22:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU
09:22:21AM DO.
09:22:22AM SO NICE TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO DO THE WORK THAT
09:22:25AM KEEP THIS CITY RUNNING AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR ALL OF YOU TO
09:22:30AM RECERTIFY.
09:22:31AM THAT IS A REAL -- JUST WONDERFUL THING.
09:22:36AM CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.
09:22:40AM TALKS A LOT TOWARD YOUR TEAM AND YOUR TEAMWORK.
09:22:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:22:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
09:22:48AM WE DON'T GET TO THANK YOU ENOUGH.
09:22:50AM YOU WERE IN THE WORST OF THE DIFFICULT SITUATIONS.
09:22:53AM HOPEFULLY YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS YOU
09:22:55AM AND THANKS YOU.
09:22:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:22:59AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
09:23:05AM THIS IS A HARD WORK THAT YOU DO.
09:23:06AM AND A SMALL TOKEN OF APPRECIATION.
09:23:08AM WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.
09:23:10AM THANK YOU.
09:23:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:23:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:23:15AM WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO.
09:23:17AM YOU ARE OUT THERE DOING THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC DON'T SEE ALL
09:23:20AM THE TIMES.
09:23:20AM YOU ARE OUT THERE.
09:23:21AM TAKING CARE OF THINGS.
09:23:22AM YOU ARE KEEPING THE CITY RUNNING.
09:23:24AM WE APPRECIATE YOU.
09:23:25AM WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO.
09:23:28AM THANK YOU.
09:23:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:23:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALWAYS GREAT TO GET A ACCOLADE WHEN YOU ARE
09:23:33AM DOING A GREAT JOB AND HELPING THE CITY GROW.
09:23:35AM THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO.
09:23:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WATER IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES WITHIN
09:23:41AM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:23:42AM EVERYBODY WANTS FRESH, CLEAN DRINKING WATER.
09:23:45AM EVERYBODY WANTS THE WATER TO BE TAKEN AWAY WHETHER FLOODED
09:23:48AM ROADS OR TAKING AWAY OUR WASTEWATER.
09:23:51AM YOU GUYS ARE VITAL.
09:23:53AM VITAL TO HOW THE CITY WORKS.
09:23:55AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH
09:23:56AM [APPLAUSE]
09:24:04AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:24:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME ED SHERWOOD,
09:24:16AM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM TO
09:24:19AM PRESENT TO US THE STATE OF THE BAY.
09:24:21AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TODAY.
09:24:24AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:24:25AM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
09:24:26AM THANK YOU FOR THE COUNCIL FOR INVITING ME.
09:24:29AM AND I THINK THE PRESENTATIONS ARE VERY APROPOS WHAT I AM
09:24:35AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT AND SOME OF THE INITIATIVES TO THE
09:24:38AM ESTUARY PROGRAM.
09:24:39AM I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
09:24:40AM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO QUEUE IT UP OR NOT.
09:24:43AM BUT JUST -- JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF ME.
09:24:49AM I AM ED SHERWOOD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ESTUARY PROGRAM.
09:24:53AM I HAVE SIX STAFF IN OUR PROGRAM.
09:24:55AM WE ARE ONE OF 28 NATIONAL ESTUARY PROGRAMS DESIGNATED BY
09:25:00AM CONGRESS TO PROTECT ESTUARIES OF NATURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
09:25:04AM OUR PROGRAMMER IS RIGHT ABOUT $775,000 OF FEDERAL FUNDING
09:25:10AM THAT WE MATCH WITH LOCAL SOURCES WHERE THE CITY TAMPA IS A
09:25:13AM CONTRIBUTING POLICY BOARD MEMBER AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO
09:25:18AM OUR PARTNER PROGRAM.
09:25:19AM WORK WITH THE CITY OF CLEARWATER, CITY OF ST. PETE,
09:25:22AM HILLSBOROUGH, PINELLAS AND PASCO AND MANATEE COUNTY.
09:25:26AM OUR LONG-SERVING GOALS ARE DEFINED WITH -- HOW DO I ADVANCE
09:25:33AM -- OUR PROGRAM PRIORITIES AND LONG-STANDING GOALS IS DEFINED
09:25:37AM IN THE COMPREHENSIVE MANAGEMENT PLAN.
09:25:39AM UNDER THE PLAN THREE MAIN THEMES THAT WE DIRECT FUNDING
09:25:43AM RESOURCES FOR RESOURCE, RESTORATION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
09:25:46AM EFFORTS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON IMPROVING OUR WATER AND
09:25:50AM SENTIMENT QUALITY THROUGHOUT THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
09:25:54AM THE FISH AND WILDLIFE HABITAT IN THE ESTUARY.
09:25:58AM AND GETTING THE COMMUNITY ON BOARD HELPING US OUT AND
09:26:01AM RESTORING THOSE RESOURCES.
09:26:02AM I WILL JUMP RIGHT TO THE POINTS OR THE PUNCHLINE OF WHERE
09:26:06AM THE STATE OF THE BAY IS.
09:26:07AM WE PUT OUT A REPORT EVERY THREE YEARS, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING
09:26:10AM SOME OF THE EXISTING CHALLENGES AND BENCHMARKING THE CURRENT
09:26:14AM CONDITIONS OF EACH OF THE IMPORTANT INDICATORS OF THE BAY'S
09:26:18AM HEALTH.
09:26:19AM YOU KNOW, FROM THE START, I WANT TO MENTION, WE HAVE MADE
09:26:22AM GREAT PROGRESS IN THE REGION.
09:26:24AM MADE GREAT INVESTMENTS AND REMAINING CHALLENGES.
09:26:26AM ONE OF THOSE IS THE OLD TAMPA BAY SEGMENT.
09:26:30AM THE UPPER LEFT-HAND OF TAMPA BAY THE THREE BRIDGES THAT LINK
09:26:35AM TO CITY OF TAMPA.
09:26:38AM THAT OLD TAMPA BAY HAVE SUMMERTIME ALGAE BLOOM.
09:26:42AM NOT RED TIDE BUT A DIFFERENT SPECIES AND OBSERVING THAT
09:26:48AM BLOOM GOING BACK TO 2010.
09:26:49AM A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE NUTRIENT LOADING AND POOR
09:26:54AM TIDAL CIRCULATION THAT BAY SEGMENT EXPERIENCES.
09:26:56AM ALSO, WE DO HAVE OTHER RIGOROUS GOALS IN TERMS OF OTHER
09:27:02AM IMPORTANT HABITATS, OYSTERS, MANGROVES AND WETLANDS WITHIN
09:27:08AM THE WATERSHED AND DEFINED FAIRLY ADDRESS SIEVE TARGETS FOR
09:27:13AM 3,000 ADDITIONAL ACRES OF THE HABITATS WITHIN THE NEXT TEN
09:27:17AM YEARS AND WE NEED TO CAPITALIZE ON THE OPPORTUNITIES NOW AS
09:27:19AM WE KNOW OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO EXPAND AND DEVELOP.
09:27:23AM THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO RESTORE SOME OF THOSE HABITATS ARE
09:27:27AM BEING LOST AND WE NEED TO CAPITALIZE ON THE OCEAN SPACES AND
09:27:31AM THE LANDS TO GET THE IMPORTANT HABITATS BACK.
09:27:33AM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED VERY ACUTE EVENTS.
09:27:37AM RED TIDE INCURSIONS IN THE BAY THAT AFFECTED THE FISH AND
09:27:41AM WILDLIFE RESOURCES, AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE REALLY BEEN
09:27:44AM ENGAGED WHEN THOSE EVENTS OCCURRED.
09:27:47AM THE PINEY POINT DISCHARGE THAT UNLOADED UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT
09:27:51AM OF NUTRIENTS IN THE BAY AND FOLLOWING THAT LOADING, A FAIRLY
09:27:56AM SIGNIFICANT RED TIDE THAT INCURRED -- WENT UP INTO THE TAMPA
09:28:00AM BAY FURTHER THAN WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS.
09:28:03AM THOSE ARE SORT OF THE PRIORITIES AND SORT OF THE TAKE-HOME
09:28:06AM MESSAGES FROM THE STATE OF THE BAY REPORT.
09:28:08AM THERE ARE LINKS IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT THOSE ARE THE FOCAL
09:28:12AM AREAS THAT WE ARE -- DIRECTING OUR RESOURCES AS ESTUARY
09:28:16AM PROGRAM TOWARDS.
09:28:18AM ONE GRAPHIC I WANT YOU ALL TO TAKE HOME AND SORT OF LEAVE AN
09:28:22AM IMPRESSION ON YOU FROM MY PRESENTATION TODAY IS THIS ONE.
09:28:25AM WE HAVE -- AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE MADE GREAT AND
09:28:28AM SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS TO IMPROVE WATER QUALITY TO THE BENEFIT
09:28:32AM OF SEAGRASSES WHERE WE REACH A DEFINED GOAL WE ESTABLISH IN
09:28:38AM THE ESTUARY PROGRAM.
09:28:42AM AMOUNT OF SEAGRASS COVERAGE.
09:28:44AM WE ARE SEEING WARNING SIGNS WHERE THE BAY'S WATER QUALITY
09:28:47AM AND THE HEALTH OF THOSE SEAGRASS RESOURCES ARE STARTING TO
09:28:52AM DECLINE BELOW THE GOAL AND TARGET LEVEL.
09:28:54AM SHOULD GIVE US SOME PAUSE AND ASK QUESTIONS WHAT WE NEED TO
09:28:59AM DO TO BE PROACTIVE TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES UP FRONT TO
09:29:03AM MAINTAIN A HEALTHY BAY BECAUSE THE HEALTHY BAY IS
09:29:07AM ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS, AS YOU KNOW, TO
09:29:11AM THE REGION.
09:29:11AM WE GAUGE AND ASSESS HOW WELL WE ARE DOING USING A WATER
09:29:16AM QUALITY TOOL FOR EACH OF THE BAY SEGMENTS.
09:29:18AM THE STOP LIGHT GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN.
09:29:21AM EACH OF THE FOUR, OLD TAMPA BAY, OLD HILLSBOROUGH, LOWER
09:29:26AM TAMPA BAY HAVE CERTAIN WATER QUALITY INDICATORS.
09:29:29AM AS I MENTIONED OLD TAMPA BAY HAD THIS CAUTION LEVEL BECAUSE
09:29:33AM OF THE PERSISTENT ALGAE BLOOM FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
09:29:36AM WHAT DRIVES A LOT OF OUR WATER QUALITY ISSUE IN THE BAY IS
09:29:39AM THE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENTS THAT ENTER THE SYSTEM THROUGH A
09:29:43AM VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SOURCES.
09:29:44AM ONE OF THE MAIN SOURCES THROUGH NONPOINT SOURCES OR
09:29:48AM STORMWATER.
09:29:48AM 64% OF THE NITROGEN LOAD, 2300 TONS ON AVERAGE EMANATES FROM
09:29:54AM STORMWATER.
09:29:55AM ANOTHER 17% COMES FROM ATMOSPHERIC MISSIONS.
09:29:58AM BASICALLY NITROGEN CONTAINING THE AIR BEING DEPOSITED ON THE
09:30:02AM AIR SURFACE.
09:30:04AM AND OTHER 17% COMES FROM INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER AND
09:30:08AM INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER DISCHARGED TO THE BAY OR WATER SHED.
09:30:14AM TO REDUCE NITROGEN LOADS AND DOING THAT IS THE NITROGEN
09:30:20AM MANAGEMENT CONSORTIUM THAT THE CITY IS PART OF.
09:30:23AM WE DIVVIED UP THAT PIE.
09:30:24AM BASICALLY INTO SLICES FOR EACH OF THE MAJOR SOURCES WITHIN
09:30:28AM THE ESTUARY.
09:30:28AM AND I HIGHLIGHT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:30:31AM DEFINE LIMITS FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE
09:30:35AM LOADS THAT THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AND MAINTAINING THOSE
09:30:38AM LOADS MOVING FORWARD IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF HOW WE
09:30:41AM PROACTIVELY MANAGE THE BAY.
09:30:44AM WE KNOW WITH CONTINUED GROWTH, MORE WASTEWATER, MORE IMPACTS
09:30:48AM ON STORMWATER QUALITY OF THOSE NUTRIENTS ENTERING THE BAY.
09:30:52AM WE NEED TO BE VIGILANT AND MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS UP FRONT
09:30:55AM TO ENSURE THAT THE BAY REMAINS HEALTHY.
09:30:57AM WE HAVE SEEN SORT OF THESE WARNING SIGNS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE
09:31:01AM INVESTMENTS SO THAT THOSE WARNING SIGNS DON'T BECOME A FATAL
09:31:05AM SIGN FOR THE HEALTH OF TAMPA BAY LIKE OTHER AREAS LIKE THE
09:31:09AM INDIAN RIVER LA GOON.
09:31:11AM AS I MENTIONED, ONE OF THE PERSISTENT WATER QUALITY PROBLEMS
09:31:14AM WE HAVE IS IN THE UPPER BAY SEGMENT AND OLDS TAMPA BAY.
09:31:19AM THAT TRIGGER OF NOT MEETING WATER QUALITIES IS PRIMARILY
09:31:23AM RELATED TO AN ALGAE BLOOM THAT OCCURS.
09:31:27AM PYRODIMUM.
09:31:32AM BIO LUMINANCE.
09:31:34AM IF YOU PADDLE THROUGH DURING THE SUMMER, IT WILL GLOW.
09:31:37AM AND THE SPECIES WILL PROVIDE TOXIN LEVELS THAT ARE -- THAT
09:31:41AM AFFECT FISH AND WILDLIFE AND CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH DISSOLVED
09:31:47AM OXYGEN IN THE WATER COLUMN.
09:31:48AM THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE INVESTING IN TERMS OF
09:31:52AM STORMWATER RETROFIT PROJECTS INVESTING THOSE IN THE BAY
09:31:56AM SEGMENT AND WANT TO BE VIGILANT ON REDUCTION OF ALL NUTRIENT
09:32:00AM SOURCES LEADING TO THE UPPER BAY SEGMENTS.
09:32:02AM THIS GRAPHIC JUST HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE LOST
09:32:06AM SEAGRASSES OVER THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT PERIODS AND AGAIN
09:32:10AM AREAS WHERE WE ARE SEEING THE POOR WATER QUALITY CONDITIONS.
09:32:13AM AND WE WANT TO GET BACK BEYOND THAT BRIGHT GOLD LINE IN NEAR
09:32:18AM FUTURE.
09:32:18AM WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE DECLINE OF SEAGRASSES BECAUSE THE
09:32:23AM BAROMETER OF THE BAY'S HEALTH AND WE ARE NOT IN A GOOD
09:32:26AM PRACTICE TRAJECTORY BASED ON THE LAST TWO ASSESSMENT
09:32:29AM PERIODS.
09:32:30AM WE LOSE KEY HABITATS LIKE THAT, THAT WILL ULTIMATELY EFFECT
09:32:34AM IMPORTANT FISH AND WILDLIFE RESOURCES THAT EVERYONE EXPECTS
09:32:38AM THE FISH AND ESTUARY TO HAVE.
09:32:40AM WE HAVE INDICATORS OF FISH AND WILDLIFE.
09:32:46AM SNOOK, RED FISH, TROUT THAT RECRUIT INTO THE ESTUARY.
09:32:49AM USE THESE UPPER PORTIONS OF THE ESTUARIES AND HABITATS
09:32:54AM REPRESENTED THERE TO LIVE OUT THEIR LIFE AND GROW UP TO
09:32:56AM ADULTS THAT WE LATER, YOU KNOW, GO OUT ON THE BAY AND TRY TO
09:33:00AM FISH AND CATCH.
09:33:02AM SO THERE ARE THESE WARNING SIGNS OUT THERE.
09:33:05AM OVERALL, WE MADE GREAT IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THERE IS STILL WORK
09:33:08AM TO BE DONE.
09:33:09AM AND THAT IS SORT OF THE TAKE-HOME MESSAGE OF THIS LATEST
09:33:12AM STATE OF THE BAY REPORT THAT I WANTED TO TRANSLATE TO YOU
09:33:17AM ALL.
09:33:17AM AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE GOVERNMENTS SURROUNDING THE BAY
09:33:22AM AND THE SURROUNDING AGENCIES CAN'T BE THE ONLY ONE WORKING
09:33:27AM ON THE ISSUES.
09:33:27AM WE ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN SOCIAL MARKETING.
09:33:32AM USING WATER WISELY, LANDSCAPING, AVOIDING IMPACTS FROM
09:33:38AM LATERAL SYSTEMS.
09:33:39AM THOSE SOCIAL MARKETING CAMPAIGNS ARE ONES WE ARE INVESTING
09:33:43AM IN AND TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS LIKE THE CITIES AND
09:33:46AM COUNTIES ON FURTHER REDUCING THOSE LOADS TO TAMPA BAY.
09:33:49AM SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS BACK TO THE BEGINNING, BUT I
09:33:54AM PROMISE I AM CLOSE TO WRAPPING UP AND CAN ENTERTAIN ANY
09:33:58AM QUESTIONS.
09:33:58AM BUT WORKING WITH CITIZENS ON WAYS WE CAN IMPROVE
09:34:02AM PARTICULARLY WATERFRONT AREAS WHERE WE INCREASE THE
09:34:06AM COMPLEXITY OF HABITAT USING VERTICAL OYSTER GARDENS OR
09:34:10AM LIVING SHORELINES.
09:34:11AM THOSE ARE THE INVESTMENTS WE ARE PUTTING OUR FUNDING FOR TO
09:34:14AM ENCOURAGE THIS TO BE EXPANDED THROUGHOUT THE REGION.
09:34:17AM AND THEN IN THE END, AS I MENTIONED WHEN WE MAKE THE
09:34:21AM INVESTMENTS, WE REAP THE REWARDS IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL
09:34:26AM STABILITY THAT ALLOW THE ESTUARY TO BUFFER IMPACTS FROM
09:34:31AM HURRICANES AND OTHER EVENTS LIKE PINEY POINT IN THE FUTURE.
09:34:34AM BUT AS THE BAY'S STABILITY CONTINUES TO DECLINE, YOU KNOW,
09:34:40AM THE TIPPING POINT FOR THE ECOSYSTEM TO TAKE REALLY BIG HITS
09:34:45AM BECOMES MORE IN PERIL.
09:34:46AM WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS BECAUSE THEY
09:34:49AM WILL COME BACK AND -- AND TWO FOLD.
09:34:52AM ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF OUR
09:34:56AM REGION.
09:34:57AM AS YOU KNOW, TAMPA BAY IS THE CENTER PIECE OF ECONOMY.
09:35:01AM IT IS IMPORTANT FOR MANY OF THE JOBS WITHIN THE REGION.
09:35:04AM SO, YOU KNOW, WE STAND TO LOSE A LOT OF THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT
09:35:09AM IF WE HAVE AN UNHEALTHY BAY, WE HAVE PERSISTENT HARMFUL
09:35:16AM ALGAE BLOOMS THROUGHOUT THE REGION.
09:35:18AM WE WILL REMAIN VIGILANT, MAKE INVESTMENTS, AND LOOK TO THE
09:35:22AM FUTURE BECAUSE WE KNOW THE REGION IS GROWING, AND WE HAVE TO
09:35:25AM COMPENSATE FOR THAT TO ENSURE THAT THE BAY DELIVERS WHAT WE
09:35:29AM WANT IT TO DELIVER IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL
09:35:33AM BENEFITS.
09:35:34AM I WILL STOP THERE.
09:35:35AM I TALKED A LITTLE FAST AND YOU GUY HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS
09:35:39AM BUT TRIED TO FIT IT IN TEN MINUTES.
09:35:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:35:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR THIS.
09:35:44AM A GREAT PRESENTATION AND FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT WE SHOULD
09:35:47AM BE ANYTHING OF ALGAE BLOOMS AND HOW WE -- AND HOW WE PUT
09:35:51AM WASTEWATER OR ANY TYPE OF WATER BACK INTO THE BAY.
09:35:54AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:35:55AM I KNOW THAT OUR WATER DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON A NEW
09:35:59AM PROGRAM.
09:36:00AM I THINK THEY ARE BRINGING TO US NEXT WEEK.
09:36:04AM I AM NOT SURE.
09:36:05AM DECEMBER.
09:36:06AM THAT IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT -- I BELIEVE IT IS CALLED THE
09:36:10AM SIX.
09:36:12AM AND THEY HAVE BEEN BRIEFING ME ON THIS AND ONE OF THOSE
09:36:16AM STUDIES TO SEE IF WE CAN TAKE MORE NUTRIENTS OUT OF THE
09:36:20AM WATER BEFORE IT GOES BACK INTO THE BAY.
09:36:22AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS AND ALERTING US AND LETTING US
09:36:25AM KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
09:36:26AM APPRECIATE IT.
09:36:27AM APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.
09:36:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:36:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU A LOT FOR COMING.
09:36:33AM GREAT PRESENTATION.
09:36:35AM AND IT SEEMS TO ME FROM MEDIA STORIES THAT SOMETHING
09:36:40AM HAPPENED THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT CHANGED THE NUMBERS IN THE
09:36:43AM BAY.
09:36:43AM I WONDER IF YOU CAN SAY IF THAT IS RIGHT OR NOT AND WHAT
09:36:46AM HAPPENED.
09:36:46AM NUMBER TWO, SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER WHO JUST WALKED IN, HE
09:36:50AM HAS SAID -- I WILL PARAPHRASE.
09:36:52AM HE SAID THAT THE PARTIALLY TREATED WASTEWATER THAT WE PUT IN
09:36:56AM THE BAY IS MUCH, MUCH CLEANER THAN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
09:36:59AM PLUS THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER HAS MANY, MANY TIMES MORE WATER.
09:37:02AM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MAYBE MILLIONS OF GALLONS A DAY OR
09:37:07AM WHATEVER.
09:37:07AM BUT MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER IS FULL
09:37:11AM OF POLLUTANTS -- NUTRIENTS AND POLLUTANTS GOING INTO THE
09:37:17AM BAY, SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SHOULD TO DO ADDRESS THE
09:37:20AM POLLUTION IN THE RIVER THAT IS AFFECTING THE BAY OR IS IT
09:37:22AM NOT AFFECTING THE BAY?
09:37:24AM >> SO ON YOUR FIRST POINT, I THINK THAT WE WERE DOING REALLY
09:37:28AM WELL UP UNTIL 2016.
09:37:30AM I THINK SOME OF THE ALGAE BLOOMS THAT OCCURRED IN OLD TAMPA
09:37:34AM BAY ARE STARTING TO CATCH UP WITH US AND AFFECTED SEAGRASS
09:37:38AM RESOURCES.
09:37:39AM SINCE 2016 WE HAVE SEEN A DECLINE IN THE SEAGRASS RESOURCES
09:37:43AM DUE TO WATER QUALITY ISSUE.
09:37:45AM PERSISTENT WATER QUALITY ISSUES.
09:37:47AM ACUTE EVENTS.
09:37:50AM PINEY POINT DISCHARGE RELEASED AMOUNT OF NUTRIENTS INTO THE
09:37:56AM BAY AND WE SAW RAMIFICATIONS OF A RED TIDE BLOOM IN 2021.
09:38:00AM CERTAINLY THESE ACUTE EVENTS AND THE CHRONIC LOSSES OF
09:38:04AM SEAGRASSES REDUCING THE BUFFERING CAPACITY OF THE BAY TO
09:38:09AM ABSORB THOSE SORT OF IMPACTS.
09:38:11AM THAT MAKES US TAKE PAUSE AS A ESTUARY PROGRAM AND, AGAIN,
09:38:15AM TRYING TO ENCOURAGE OUR INVESTMENTS FOR THE LONG-TERM TO GET
09:38:20AM THE BAY BACK ON TRACK.
09:38:22AM FOR THE SECOND POINT, HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, YES, ONE OF THE
09:38:26AM RIVERS THAT CONTRIBUTE FRESH WATER FROM A LARGE WATER SHED
09:38:29AM INTO TAMPA BAY, AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY NUTRIENT SOURCES TO
09:38:33AM TAMPA BAY IS STORMWATER AND NONPOINT SOURCES.
09:38:37AM WORKING ON PROJECTS WITH THE CITY -- WE ACTUALLY HAVE A
09:38:40AM PROJECT TO LOOK AT RESTORING PURITY SPRINGS.
09:38:44AM ELALEY SPRINGS AND OTHER PROJECTS THE TIDAL CREEKS AND URBAN
09:38:54AM CONVEYANCES TO DELIVER THE FLOOD AND STORMWATER FROM OUR
09:38:58AM URBANIZED ENVIRONMENT TO THE RIVER GREEN SYSTEM AND SOME OF
09:39:03AM THE STORMWATER BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES IN THOSE AREAS ARE
09:39:06AM AN IMPORTANT STEP OF GETTING THE BAY BACK ON TRACK.
09:39:09AM SO IT -- REALLY -- OUR APPROACH AND SUCCESS IN THE PAST
09:39:14AM HAVEN'T BEEN ONE PARTICULAR SMOKING GUN.
09:39:16AM IT IS TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL THE SOURCES OF NUTRIENTS.
09:39:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW.
09:39:23AM QUICK FOLLOW-UP.
09:39:24AM OPENING THE SPRINGS FOR THE FLOWS, HOW MANY MORE MGDs FOR
09:39:30AM THE MINIMUM FLOW OF THE RIVER.
09:39:31AM SECOND THING -- WHAT THAT IS DOING IS PUTTING MORE FRESH
09:39:35AM WATER INTO THE MIX.
09:39:36AM BUT ANYTHING WE SHOULD DO MORE THAN WE ARE DOING NOW TO TRY
09:39:39AM TO PREVENT PHOSPHATE RUNOFF OR -- OR TO TRY TO TREAT THE
09:39:44AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER IN SOME WAY OR WHATEVER IS GOING IN THE
09:39:48AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
09:39:49AM >> LIKE I MENTIONED INVESTING IN STORMWATER RETROFITS IN
09:39:54AM AREAS THAT WERE PRIOR TO SOME OF THE MOST RIGOROUS
09:39:57AM STORMWATER RULES THAT WENT IN PLACE IN 1985.
09:40:00AM AREAS THERE WE CAN LOOK AT TO RESTORE THE ATTENUATION OF
09:40:04AM STORMWATER THAT COMES OFF OF THOSE AREAS.
09:40:07AM SO WE ARE TRYING TO REFOCUS, YOU KNOW, SOME -- FUNDING AND
09:40:11AM EFFORT TOWARD IMPROVEMENTS TO BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE OR
09:40:15AM STORMWATER -- ADDITIONAL STORMWATER CONTROLS.
09:40:18AM I KNOW THAT THE CITY IS INVESTING IN THOSE IN TERMS OF
09:40:21AM BAFFLE BOXES AND OTHER VAULT SYSTEMS TO TRY TO ATTENUATE
09:40:28AM THOSE NUTRIENTS FROM EMANATING FROM STORMWATER SOURCES
09:40:32AM THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA JURISDICTION.
09:40:36AM SUCH A LARGE SOURCE THAT A LOT OF DISTRIBUTE PROJECTS ARE
09:40:42AM NEEDED TO MAKE AN IMPACT.
09:40:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:40:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:40:47AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
09:40:49AM I SERVED ON THIS BOARD FOR A LITTLE OVER FOUR.
09:40:54AM I GOT TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR PREDECESSOR AND ALWAYS VERY
09:40:58AM INFORMATIVE AND EYE OPENING.
09:41:00AM EVERYTHING FROM SEAGRASS LEVELS AND WHAT YOU SHOWED TO THE
09:41:03AM QUALITY OF THE WATER AND WHAT WE ARE PUTTING OUT INTO THE
09:41:05AM BAY AND MAINTAINING THAT.
09:41:07AM THIS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
09:41:08AM ENVIRONMENT, SEA LEVEL RISE, CLIMATE CHANGE, EVERYTHING
09:41:12AM HAPPENING AROUND US.
09:41:13AM IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THIS, WE CAN SAY GOODBYE TO A LOT
09:41:18AM AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS SO IMPORTANT.
09:41:19AM THE QUALITY OF OUR ENVIRONMENT, THE QUALITY OF OUR WATER.
09:41:22AM YOU FINISH WITH UP WITH OF THE LAST SLIDES, GOOD, CLEAN,
09:41:26AM HEALTHY WATER SUPPLY IS OF SUCH SIGNIFICANCE TO US AND
09:41:30AM FUTURE GENERATIONS.
09:41:31AM BUT HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING
09:41:36AM HERE AND GIVING US THIS UPDATE.
09:41:38AM AND WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU.
09:41:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:41:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:41:44AM EVER A DEBATE ON THE BAY, I WANT YOU ON OUR SIDE.
09:41:47AM WITHOUT ANYTHING IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU READ LIKE THE WHOLE
09:41:52AM STATUE ON HOW TO KEEP A BAY IN PROPER CONDITION.
09:41:55AM WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THAT.
09:41:57AM I KNOW THAT PRIOR TO 2016, THAT BAY WAS BETTER THEN THAN IT
09:42:01AM WAS IN THE 1950s.
09:42:02AM I GUESS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FROM '16 TO THAT, IT HAS
09:42:06AM BECOME A LITTLE MORE POLLUTED THAN WE WISH IT TO BE.
09:42:11AM SO IF THERE IS ANY WAY WE CAN HELP OUT TO HELP THE
09:42:15AM ENVIRONMENT AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN THIS
09:42:18AM COUNTRY THAT WE LIVE IN AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD ARE NOT
09:42:21AM REALLY BEING ADHERED TO.
09:42:23AM NATURE TELLS US WHAT IT CAN TAKE AND WHAT IT CANNOT TAKE.
09:42:28AM IT HAS TELLING US FOR YEARS IT CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE ABUSE AND
09:42:33AM WE DON'T LISTEN TOO WELL.
09:42:35AM THANK YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING
09:42:37AM TO MAKE NATURE COME BACK AND HAVE THE WATER RESOURCES WE
09:42:40AM HAVE FOR MANY THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO COME.
09:42:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
09:42:45AM I AM WITH THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING RESILIENCY
09:42:49AM COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE DONE GREAT WORK AT MacDILL AIR FORCE
09:42:52AM BASE OF RESTORATION OF SHORELINES DOWN THERE.
09:42:54AM YOU TALK TIDAL FLOWS.
09:42:57AM AND EVERY TIME FDOT DECIDES TO BUILD A BRIDGE ACROSS THE
09:43:02AM BAY, THAT DRAMATICALLY CHANGES OUR TIDAL FLOWS.
09:43:06AM WHEN THEY BUILD THE BRIDGES, THEY GOUGE THE SEA FLOORS.
09:43:09AM WE HAVE CYPRESS POINT PARK, WHICH HAS A HUGE GOUGE IN IT
09:43:13AM THAT CAN BE RESTORED.
09:43:17AM RESTORED BY PLANTING SEAGRASS -- FIRST LEVEL IT OUT,
09:43:22AM PLANTING SEAGRASS AND PUTTING OYSTER BARS WHICH IS
09:43:27AM FILTRATION SYSTEMS FOR OUR WATER.
09:43:32AM I AM HOPING THAT CITY OF TAMPA CAN HELP RESUPPORT OUR
09:43:39AM SEACRASSES.
09:43:39AM PETITION THOSE HERE IN THE BAY AREA THAT CAN ASSIST US IN
09:43:45AM THE PROGRAM.
09:43:45AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT TODAY.
09:43:47AM >> THANK YOU.
09:43:47AM CERTAINLY THINK THERE ARE OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WILL
09:43:51AM COMPLEMENT THE NUTRIENT LOAD STRATEGIES WE HAVE.
09:43:54AM ONE IS TO IMPROVING TIDAL CIRCUMSTANCE LAKES IN THE OLD
09:43:59AM TAMPA BAY REGION.
09:44:00AM THAT IS A COMPONENT TO PUT THAT SEGMENT BACK ON TRACK FOR
09:44:05AM SURE.
09:44:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:44:06AM >> THANK YOU.
09:44:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME, WE WILL BE TAKING PUBLIC
09:44:14AM COMMENT.
09:44:15AM IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
09:44:19AM PUBLIC COMMENT, WOULD YOU PLEASE FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT,
09:44:25AM YOUR RIGHT.
09:44:26AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
09:44:51AM LOCATED 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
09:44:54AM PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
09:44:57AM GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS BELOVED SON AND WHO
09:45:04AM SHALL BELIEVE IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH AND HAVE EVERLASTING
09:45:08AM LIFE.
09:45:08AM I KNOW SOME OF YOU DON'T ACCEPT THAT, BUT THAT IS THE TRUTH.
09:45:12AM I THANK GOD FOR MY PRESENCE HERE ONCE AGAIN.
09:45:14AM AND WE ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THEN MOST OF THE TIME YOU
09:45:20AM DON'T WANT TO HEAR NOBODY OUT.
09:45:21AM BUT THE THING ABOUT IT -- I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ALL
09:45:27AM ABOUT THE CLEAN UP PROJECT.
09:45:31AM IT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND THE MAYOR -- AIN'T TELLING NOBODY
09:45:42AM IN JACKSON HEIGHTS TO CLEAN UP THE STREETS.
09:45:45AM NOTHING THERE.
09:45:45AM AS IF THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN.
09:45:47AM WHICH WE KNOW THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT BLACK FOLK
09:45:51AM NEIGHBORHOOD NOWHERE.
09:45:52AM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS -- THE RETENTION POND.
09:45:55AM Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT THE -- WE NEED TO BE -- HAVE AFFORDABLE
09:46:02AM HOUSING.
09:46:03AM GIVE US OUR LAND BACK SO WE CAN BUILD THEM UP.
09:46:06AM DOWN 22nd STREET AND ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:46:09AM WE NEED TO GET OUR LAND BACK.
09:46:13AM OUR LAND BUILT UP THIS COUNTRY, AND YOU TREAT US LIKE WE ARE
09:46:20AM NOTHING BUT ANIMALS.
09:46:21AM TREAT US WORSER THAN HUMAN BEINGS.
09:46:23AM THE THING ABOUT IT THAT WE MUST UNDERSTAND, GOD CREATED US.
09:46:28AM AND WE ARE CREATED IN HIS IMAGE AND HIS LIKENESS.
09:46:30AM I AM PROUD TO BE WHO I AM.
09:46:32AM I AM NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
09:46:34AM A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT THE LORD GOD
09:46:38AM ALMIGHTY, THE REASON WE ARE HERE.
09:46:40AM IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT
09:46:44AM IT.
09:46:44AM I THANK GOD FOR THIS DAY.
09:46:47AM I MIGHT NOT BE COMING AROUND HERE TOO MUCH LONGER, BUT GOD
09:46:50AM IS STILL GOOD.
09:46:51AM HE IS GOOD TO ALL OF US.
09:46:53AM AND HE LOVE ALL OF US TOO.
09:46:55AM WE TRY TO MAKE THINGS A DISASTER BECAUSE WE ARE CERTAIN
09:47:01AM CREATURE OF GOD -- OH -- WANT TO BE EVERYTHING ELSE BUT WHAT
09:47:08AM GOD CREATED US TO BE.
09:47:09AM GOD CREATED YOU TO BE A MAN.
09:47:11AM BE A MAN.
09:47:12AM IF GOD CREATED YOU TO BE A BOY, BE A BOY.
09:47:16AM IF GOD CREATED YOU TO BE A LADY, BE A LADY.
09:47:20AM IF GOD CREATED YOU TO BE A GIRL, BE A GIRL.
09:47:23AM THE ONLY WAY TO ACCEPT IT.
09:47:25AM WE THANK GOD FOR BLESSING.
09:47:27AM GOD HAS BROUGHT US FROM A MIGHTY LONG DAY AND AS BAD AS YOU
09:47:32AM TREAT US -- SOME OF US, I AM TALKING ABOUT MYSELF, THE MORE
09:47:36AM GOD BLESSES US.
09:47:37AM I THANK GOD FOR US.
09:47:38AM I WILL PREACH UNTIL I GO TO THE GRAVEYARD, PREACHING THE
09:47:43AM GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.
09:47:44AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSING.
09:47:47AM AMEN.
09:47:48AM GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.
09:47:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:47:50AM >> THIS IS MY STORY PLEASE.
09:47:59AM I WOULD LIKE --
09:48:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, MY NAME IS ROBERT RUMOR.
09:48:20AM I LIVE AT 1303 WEST HIAWATHA STREET IN TAMPA.
09:48:24AM LAST YEAR, ETBCA AGREED TO PUT A ROOF ON MY 850-SQUARE-FOOT
09:48:31AM HOME.
09:48:31AM THE COST WAS $12,500.
09:48:34AM THE ORGANIZATION DID ADDITIONAL WORK AS WELL.
09:48:37AM THE ROOF HAD A HUMP IN IT.
09:48:38AM ETCVA CONTRACTOR CAME BACK AND CHARGED ETVCA $1,000 TO CHECK
09:48:48AM THE REASON FOR THE HUMP.
09:48:49AM THEY DID NOT STOP THERE.
09:48:56AM THE COST OF REPLACING THE HUMP THAT WAS MISSED THE FIRST
09:49:01AM TIME WAS $25,000.
09:49:03AM BRINGING THE TOTAL COST TO $38,500.
09:49:07AM FOR THE ROOF ON A SMALL HOME.
09:49:10AM WHEN I ASKED THE CITY FOR CLARIFICATION, RECEIPTS, THERE WAS
09:49:13AM NO RESPONSE.
09:49:14AM LESS THAN TWO YEARS LATER AS A VETERAN, I QUALIFY FOR FREE
09:49:20AM ROOFING MATERIAL.
09:49:21AM AND A LOCAL ROOFER IS DONATING THEIR SERVICES TO HELP THE
09:49:29AM LESS THAN TWO-YEAR-OLD ROOF OFF AND REPLACE IT.
09:49:32AM MY ROOF WILL BE REPLACED NEXT WEEK, BEGINNING MONDAY.
09:49:35AM BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, I REQUEST AN AUDIT TO BE
09:49:41AM COMPLETED BEFORE ANY MONIES ARE APPROVED.
09:49:44AM INSPECTOR HOWARD INSPECTED THE ROOF AND SAID CONTRACTOR
09:49:48AM VICTORIA HOPS DID NOTHING WRONG.
09:49:50AM THERE HAVE BEEN ESTIMATES FROM TWO OTHER ROOFING COMPANIES
09:49:55AM WITH QUOTES.
09:49:56AM THE ESTIMATED COST WAS $15,000.
09:50:00AM NOT $38,500.
09:50:03AM THAT IS MY TIME.
09:50:08AM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
09:50:10AM GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
09:50:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:50:15AM >> THANK YOU.
09:50:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, MIKE REEVES.
09:50:26AM I WANT TO START BY SAYING RHAT I HAVE A HEARING PROBLEM, SO
09:50:30AM IF YOU RESPOND TO ME, PLEASE SPEAK LOUDER.
09:50:32AM I OWN A COMPANY REEVES BUILDING AND ROOFING AND BEEN IN
09:50:38AM BUSINESS 45 YEARS.
09:50:38AM MY COMPANY IS ALSO IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA.
09:50:43AM I AM PART OF YOUR EQUAL OPPORTUNITY MBE PROGRAM AND HAVE
09:50:47AM BEEN DOING THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
09:50:49AM I HAVE DONE A LOT OF QUALITY WORK FOR YOU, THE CITY, OKAY.
09:50:53AM AT THIS PRESENT TIME, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT HAD TAKEN ME
09:50:57AM OUT OF THE -- OFF THE BID LIST TO BE ABLE TO BID ON HOUSING
09:51:04AM REHAB JOBS.
09:51:05AM OKAY.
09:51:05AM THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF E-MAILS SENT OUT AND I SENT STUFF TO
09:51:11AM YOU GUYS OF HOW WE FEEL ABOUT -- IT HAS BEEN ABOUT A YEAR.
09:51:14AM WE ARE FILLING -- AND CONTEMPLATING AND TO BE HONEST WITH
09:51:22AM YOU, FILING A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY IF THIS MATTER
09:51:25AM DOESN'T COME TO AN END, OKAY.
09:51:27AM RIGHT NOW WE ARE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES.
09:51:28AM WE ARE IN GOOD STANDING WITH EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT, BUT WE
09:51:32AM HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE -- WITH THE NONPROFIT
09:51:37AM AND, ALSO, THE HOUSING PROJECT AT HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
09:51:41AM THEY HAVE GOTTEN E-MAILS.
09:51:44AM AND A LOT OF THE E-MAILS THAT WE SEPTEMBER IN, PEOPLE WHO
09:51:47AM HELPED ME WENT TO THE -- WENT TO THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
09:51:50AM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.
09:51:52AM ONE WOULD BE, I REQUEST INFORMATION FROM THE HOUSING
09:51:57AM DEPARTMENT IN REFERENCE TO HOW THE MBE COMPONENT, SMALL
09:52:02AM BUSINESS, IS TIED INTO THE HOUSING.
09:52:04AM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW
09:52:09AM IS NOT FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE.
09:52:11AM AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT READS THAT EVERY CITY JOB, MONEY,
09:52:16AM BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, CONTRACT NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH THE MBE SMALL
09:52:21AM BUSINESS PORTION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE.
09:52:23AM TODAY THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
09:52:25AM TWO MONTHS AGO I SENT A LETTER OUT TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT
09:52:28AM TO GET SOME INFORMATION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
09:52:30AM MY POINT IS IS THIS.
09:52:32AM I AM ASKING YOU TO LOOK INTO MY COMPANY, REEVE PLUMBING,
09:52:38AM BUILDING AND ROOFING AND GET ME AN ANSWER WHY I AM NOT ABLE
09:52:40AM TO BID ON HOUSING JOBS TODAY.
09:52:42AM IF NOT, I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS -- IT HAS BEEN ABOUT A YEAR.
09:52:47AM SO RIGHT NOW, I GOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
09:52:50AM I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO SAY THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING FILING A
09:52:54AM LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY FOR WHAT WE DEEM MAY BE A CASE OF
09:52:57AM DISCRIMINATION.
09:52:58AM MY NAME IS MIKE REEVES.
09:53:00AM PRESIDENT OF MIKE REEVES PLUMBING AND ROOFING.
09:53:04AM THANK YOU.
09:53:05AM I LOVE MY CITY.
09:53:06AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:53:06AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE SPEAK LOUDER.
09:53:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
09:53:12AM FOR MR. REEVES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED.
09:53:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN.
09:53:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SEE MISS FEELEY AND MISS TRAVIS.
09:53:24AM TAKE NOTE WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SO WHEN YOU COME TO
09:53:28AM THE PODIUM YOU SUGGEST WHAT IS BEING DONE, WHAT IS NOT BEING
09:53:31AM DONE WITH ANY HOUSING ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE CONTRACTS
09:53:34AM MOVING FORWARD US TODAY.
09:53:35AM THANK YOU.
09:53:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
09:53:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
09:53:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A REMINDER, COUNCIL.
09:53:41AM THAT COUNCIL PER ITS RULES, RULES 4-K.
09:53:46AM AVOID ANY DISCUSSION OF MATTERS WHERE THE CITY IS OR LIKELY
09:53:50AM TO BE A PARTY IN LITIGATION WITHOUT CONCURRENCE OF COUNSEL.
09:53:55AM I WANT TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.
09:53:58AM >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME?
09:54:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, THANK YOU.
09:54:02AM >> THANK YOU.
09:54:03AM ENJOY YOUR DAY, GUYS.
09:54:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:54:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
09:54:10AM >> MY NAME IS FRANKIE JONES.
09:54:12AM RESIDE 3606 EAST GENESEE STREET IN RAINBOW HEIGHTS.
09:54:17AM I AM THE PRESIDENT OF RAINBOW HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION.
09:54:20AM AND I AM BRINGING SOME CONCERNS IN REFERENCE TO THE GUN
09:54:25AM VIOLENCE, THE SHOOTINGS.
09:54:27AM I LIVE RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF COURTLAND AND GENESEE.
09:54:33AM THERE IS A CHURCH IN FRONT OF MY HOME WHERE NOW THE YOUNG
09:54:37AM MEN OR WHOEVER IS SHOOTING IS -- IS STANDING OVER IN THE
09:54:42AM CHURCH PARKING LOT.
09:54:44AM PASSING THROUGH, SHOOTING DOWN WHERE THE BLUE STORE IS RIGHT
09:54:49AM THERE ON GENESEE AND COURTLAND.
09:54:53AM I HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES TO DIFFERENT CRA MEETINGS, THE
09:54:58AM PUBLIC SAFETY MEETINGS TO FIND OUT WHY WE CAN NOT GET THAT
09:55:02AM STORE SHUT DOWN AS A NUISANCE.
09:55:04AM THE GUYS ARE STANDING THERE.
09:55:07AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.
09:55:09AM BUT IT IS JUST REALLY -- IT HAS REALLY EXPLODED THESE PAST
09:55:15AM FEW MONTHS.
09:55:15AM WITH THE SHOOTING.
09:55:17AM AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS THAT REALLY LIVED IN THIS
09:55:22AM COMMUNITY.
09:55:22AM I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THAT SAME HOUSE.
09:55:25AM AND TO HEAR THE SENIORS A SAYING HOW THEY HAVE TO FALL ON
09:55:29AM THE GROUND OR THEY ARE CALLING ME -- I AM AT WORK.
09:55:32AM I WORK UP AT THE SCHOOL ON CHELSEA AND 34th.
09:55:36AM THERE ARE NO OFFICERS OUT THERE.
09:55:38AM AND WE HAVE OUR PRE-K KIDS FROM AGES THREE TO AGE EIGHT
09:55:44AM THERE.
09:55:44AM WE HAVE TO SOMETIMES COME OFF THE PLAY AREA.
09:55:46AM IT IS JUST LIKE A WAR ZONE THERE.
09:55:49AM WE REALLY NEED SOME SUPPORT.
09:55:51AM I HAVE EVEN SPOKEN TO THE MAYOR.
09:55:54AM I LAST -- ON HALLOWEEN NIGHT CALLED AND INTERRUPTED OUR
09:56:01AM STATE REPRESENTATIVE'S SLEEP.
09:56:02AM AND I THANK HER FOR TAKING MY CALL.
09:56:05AM AND WE DISCUSSED SOMETHING ABOUT TRYING TO PURCHASE THAT
09:56:09AM STORE, EITHER GET IT CLOSED DOWN AND PUT SOME AFFORDABLE
09:56:13AM HOUSING THERE, YOU KNOW.
09:56:14AM AND IT IS JUST RIDICULOUS.
09:56:17AM NOBODY IS THERE FOR OUR SAFETY.
09:56:19AM I WORK AT THAT SCHOOL.
09:56:23AM AND I CAN STAND OUT THERE AND WATCH THE TRAFFIC AND SEE HOW
09:56:27AM MANY TIMES TPD IS SEEN IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:56:31AM AND WHERE THE SHOOTING JUST HAPPENED, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM.
09:56:36AM WE ARE DOCUMENTED.
09:56:39AM AND I TALKED TO GUDES AS WELL.
09:56:41AM SO WE REALLY NEED YOUR SUPPORT.
09:56:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO
09:56:49AM ADDRESS THE PUBLIC, BUT I SEE ASSISTANT CHIEF JOHNSON,
09:56:54AM DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON AND THE MAJOR BACK THERE.
09:56:57AM I WANT TO SAY THIS.
09:56:58AM SEVERAL TIMES IN CRA TALKED OF CAMERAS.
09:57:02AM I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK ABOUT THE CAMERAS.
09:57:05AM I DON'T CARE OF PEOPLE THIS AND THAT.
09:57:07AM THEY WANT CAMERAS IN THE AREAS.
09:57:09AM THE CRA HAS DOLLARS AND CENTS.
09:57:12AM WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT DONE.
09:57:15AM I AM GLAD -- THE RECENT INCIDENT ON SLIGH AVENUE WITH ONE OF
09:57:19AM THE SCHOOLS.
09:57:19AM WE TALKED ABOUT THE DAY CARES.
09:57:22AM I BELIEVE THAT IS WORKING BECAUSE THE CHIEF TOLD ME THEY
09:57:24AM IMPLEMENTED THAT.
09:57:25AM THAT IS GOOD THAT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ALERT THE DAY
09:57:28AM CARE OF THESE ISSUES AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
09:57:31AM AND THEY SHOULD.
09:57:33AM I AM GLAD THAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
09:57:34AM ALSO I TALKED ABOUT WITH THE CRA AND REFERENCE OF CHELSEA
09:57:39AM STREET TO LOOK INTO BUYING THOSE PROPERTIES.
09:57:41AM WE HAVE DOLLAR AND CENTS IN OUR CRA.
09:57:45AM WE NEED TO START PURCHASING PROPERTY LIKE I SAID BEFORE.
09:57:47AM I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT OUTSOURCE TO GET
09:57:52AM PEOPLE TO DO THESE THINGS.
09:57:53AM THERE IS A COMMUNITY WHO IS STRESSING A NEED AND THEY ARE
09:57:56AM TIRED.
09:57:56AM I DON'T WANT TO MARY ABOUT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT BLACK PEOPLE
09:58:00AM IN JAIL.
09:58:00AM I DON'T WANT TO HEAR.
09:58:02AM THE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE TIRED NOW.
09:58:05AM THEY WANT TO BE SAFE.
09:58:06AM THEY WANT POLICE OVER THERE REGARDLESS.
09:58:08AM SO I AM HOPING THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS -- NOT
09:58:12AM TODAY, BUT ADDRESS TO THE COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE OF SOME
09:58:15AM STRATEGIES WE CAN DO OVER THERE WITH EXTRA PATROL, EXTRA
09:58:20AM CAMERAS, BUT THE COMMUNITY OVER THERE IS ASKING FOR CAMERAS.
09:58:22AM MY THING IS WE HAVE DOLLARS AND CENTS.
09:58:27AM LET'S MAKE THAT APPROACH AND DO WHAT WE DO AS A DETERRENT.
09:58:32AM HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS HERE.
09:58:34AM I WILL SHOW A VIDEO THAT OTHER PLACES ARE DOING THINGS.
09:58:37AM THEY WILL QUEUE THAT UP AND OTHER STRATEGIES THAT OTHER
09:58:41AM PLACES ARE DOING.
09:58:42AM WE ARE FAR BEHIND WITH OTHER CITIES OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
09:58:46AM MISS TRAVIS IS HERE.
09:58:48AM I KNOW SHE IS WORKING HARD AND I TONIGHT WANT TO PUT EXTRA
09:58:52AM WORK ON HER, BUT THINGS THAT MY FRIENDS HAVE SENT ME FROM
09:58:55AM OTHER PLACES THAT THEY ARE DOING.
09:58:56AM I AM GOING TO PRESENT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
09:58:59AM I WANT TO YOU LOOK INTO THE ISSUES, GET BACK WITH THIS
09:59:02AM COUNCIL.
09:59:02AM SHE HAS BEEN CALLING FOR YEARS NOW AND YOU KNOW HER.
09:59:06AM TALKING ABOUT HER FAMILY -- I DON'T CARE ABOUT -- HER FAMILY
09:59:09AM DO SOMETHING WRONG, SHE WILL TELL IT.
09:59:11AM SHE DON'T CARE WHAT THE FAMILY DO.
09:59:13AM IF THEY ARE WRONG, SHE WILL TELL IT.
09:59:15AM SHE DESERVING TO BE SAFE AND SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:59:19AM >> I SURE WILL.
09:59:21AM JUST IN SIGHT OF THE STORE THAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT.
09:59:26AM WE TRIED TO DO AN ABATEMENT ON THE STORE.
09:59:28AM THE STORE, A SMALL PLOT OF LAND.
09:59:30AM WHEN THINGS OCCUR, THEY MAY NOT OCCUR ON THE ACTUAL SITE OF
09:59:35AM THE STORE.
09:59:35AM WHEN KNOWS GO THERE AND HANG AND THEN STUFF GOES ON, IT
09:59:40AM ACTUALLY HAPPENS OFF OF THE PROPERTY.
09:59:41AM SO THAT IS KIND OF BEEN A STICKING POINT ON TRYING TO GET
09:59:45AM THAT STORE THROUGH THE ABATEMENT PROCESS.
09:59:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE TRIED.
09:59:48AM I KNOW ABOUT THAT.
09:59:49AM 2021 -- 2020 WE TALKED ABOUT -- THE 15th STREET STORE.
09:59:54AM SOME OF THE STORES THAT I ASKED LOOKING AT CLOSING THEM DOWN
09:59:59AM OR BUYING THEM.
10:00:00AM A STRATEGY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOUSING TO SEE TO
10:00:03AM GET THOSE PLACES IN THE BAD PLACES AND THE CITY TAKES
10:00:05AM CONTROL OF THEM.
10:00:06AM >> OKAY.
10:00:07AM >> GOOD MORNING, JAMES MICHAEL SHAW, JR. AS HAS BEEN
10:00:15AM EXPOSED, I RUN THE CRB FROM MY SECRET UNDERGROUND LAIR.
10:00:21AM I HAVE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS BY OFFICER BRANDON
10:00:26AM BARKLEY.
10:00:27AM HE ACCUSED ME OF BEING MOTIVATED OF HATRED TO POLICE
10:00:33AM OFFICERS.
10:00:33AM ON THE ELMO -- IT IS NOT ON THE SCREEN.
10:00:35AM RIGHT FOR MY DONATION TO OFFICER MATTISON'S MEMORIAL FUND.
10:00:40AM I WAS STRUCK BY THIS.
10:00:42AM I DIDN'T KNOW THE MAN, BUT I WAS STRUCK BY HIS ACT OF
10:00:45AM SELF-SACRIFICE.
10:00:46AM AND TO HEAR SOME MEMBER OF TPD STAND HERE AND TELL ME THAT I
10:00:50AM HATE -- THAT I HATE POLICE OFFICERS IS UNCALLED FOR.
10:00:55AM HE ALSO TOLD YOU THAT I AM QUOTE, UNQUOTE, MET EXTENSIVELY
10:00:59AM AND HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH CRB MEMBER CARLOS VALDES.
10:01:05AM THAT WAS DISHONEST.
10:01:07AM I SPOKE WITH THE MAN FOR 30 MINUTES IN JULY AND HAVEN'T
10:01:11AM SPOKEN TO HIM SINCE.
10:01:13AM WITH DISHONESTY.
10:01:16AM I HAVE TO PUT OFFICER BRANDON BARKLEY ON A LIST -- IF I AM
10:01:20AM ON A JURY AND THE ONLY EVIDENCE AGAINST A DEFENDANT IS HIM
10:01:23AM ON THE STAND SAYING HE SAW THE DEFENDANT COMMIT THE CRIME, I
10:01:27AM HAVE TO ACQUIT THAT DEFENDANT BECAUSE I KNOW HE WILL BE
10:01:31AM DISHONEST AND SAY SOMETHING THAT ISN'T TRUE.
10:01:32AM A PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEM, ISN'T IT.
10:01:35AM WHERE YOU HAVE -- WHERE JURIES NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRUST THE
10:01:38AM WORDS OF TPD OFFICERS.
10:01:40AM THAT IS WHY YOU NEED THE ABILITY TO CHECK THEIR WORK.
10:01:43AM YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE CRB TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS
10:01:47AM TO NONOFFICERS TO SEE IF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS TRUE AND
10:01:51AM COMFORTS WITH THE EVIDENCE.
10:01:53AM I THINK IT IS WEIRD THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
10:01:56AM WAS DOING PERSONAL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON ME PERSONALLY, A
10:02:00AM PRIVATE SYSTEMED A VOTE SKATING FOR CHANGE.
10:02:03AM WHAT ELSE WAS HE GOING TO DO, SAY THE CRB IS BETTER OFF WITH
10:02:08AM A CONFLICTED LAWYER OR THE CRB WILL MAKE BETTER DECISION
10:02:14AM WITH EVIDENCE AND THOSE THINGS WOULDN'T STAND AND THEY HAD
10:02:17AM TO CREATE THIS VILLAIN NARRATIVE.
10:02:20AM NOT TOO LATE FOR YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
10:02:23AM I WANTED TO RESPOND WITH SOME OF THE THIS I THINK SO THAT
10:02:25AM JUDGE SALCINES SAID.
10:02:28AM ONE THING THAT WOULDN'T GO OVER YOUR HEAD, HE SAID YOU HAVE
10:02:32AM THE HOME RULE POWER TO GIVE THE BOARD HE SUBPOENA AUTHORITY
10:02:36AM WITHOUT AMENDING THE CHARTER.
10:02:37AM YOU DID IT WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATE AND THE CODE
10:02:42AM ENFORCEMENT BOARD.
10:02:44AM TWO YEARS AGO, GINA GRIMES TOLD YOU DID NOT HAVE THE POWER.
10:02:48AM JUDGE SALCINES HIMSELF TOLD YOU DO HAVE IT.
10:02:53AM I EN SCOURGE YOU TO GO BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ASK IF
10:02:57AM THAT IS TRUE.
10:02:57AM YOU CAN CRAFT SUBPOENA POWERS SO IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH
10:03:02AM THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
10:03:03AM THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT.
10:03:04AM BROWARD COUNTY DID IT IN ITS ORDINANCE.
10:03:07AM COORDINATE WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
10:03:11AM BUT ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS.
10:03:13AM THEMSELVES IS A SUBJECT OF PROSECUTION AND THERE WILL BE A
10:03:17AM PROBLEM WITH IMMUNITY IF YOU SUBPOENA THEM.
10:03:18AM IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND I SURE
10:03:22AM DO HOPE THAT YOU WILL.
10:03:23AM THANK YOU.
10:03:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:03:29AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:03:29AM I GUESS -- WHO I AM POSITIONED TO GIVE 24 TO.
10:03:37AM DEAR CITY COUNCILMEN, MY NAME IS MARY BROWNING.
10:03:48AM I HAVE SHARED MY CHALLENGES RELATED TO THE CONTRACT OF MY
10:03:52AM HOME --
10:03:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE CAN'T HEAR TOO WELL.
10:03:54AM RAISE UP --
10:03:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TALK A LITTLE LOUDER.
10:03:59AM >> YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UP.
10:04:00AM >> MY NAME IS MARY BROWNING.
10:04:02AM I HAVE SHARED MY CHALLENGES RELATED TO THE CONTRACT OF MY
10:04:06AM HOME.
10:04:06AM SO I WON'T GO OVER THAT BECAUSE TIME IS LIMITED.
10:04:09AM I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I ASK YOU TO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO
10:04:14AM ANOTHER SENIOR IN TAMPA ALL THE EAST TAMPA BUSINESS CIVIC
10:04:21AM ASSOCIATION WAS NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THIS CHALLENGE OF
10:04:24AM MY HOME, THE CONTRACTOR WORKED ON COUNTY AND CITY PROJECTS
10:04:30AM OF EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
10:04:34AM I WENT TO DIANE HART FOR HER HELP AS MY STATE REPRESENTATIVE
10:04:41AM AND AS PART OF THE EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC
10:04:44AM ASSOCIATION, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT WANT TO GET IN THE
10:04:48AM MIDDLE OF IT.
10:04:49AM AND SHE DIDN'T HELP.
10:04:51AM THE CITY CANNOT HELP ME, BUT YOU CAN HELP KEEP THIS FROM
10:04:58AM HAPPENING TO SENIORS WITH TAX -- WITH CITY TAX DOLLAR FUNDS
10:05:04AM TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT CAUSES -- THAT CARES ABOUT THE
10:05:12AM PEOPLE AND NOT THE CONTRACTOR.
10:05:15AM THANK YOU.
10:05:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:05:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR CITRO AND COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:05:35AM I AM FRAN TATE.
10:05:39AM AN EAST TAMPA HOMEOWNER.
10:05:41AM I LIVED IN EAST TAMPA FOR 17 YEARS.
10:05:43AM 15 YEARS AGO I ORGANIZED A COMMUNITY CRIME WATCH IN JACKSON
10:05:49AM HEIGHTS.
10:05:49AM THAT HAS BECOME A FUNCTIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR
10:05:53AM THE LAST TEN YEARS.
10:05:54AM ALSO I HAVE BEEN REELECTED AS CHAIR OF THE COMMUNITY
10:05:57AM ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
10:06:00AM AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT PAID POSITIONS.
10:06:07AM I WOULD NOT HAVE OBTAINED AND OPINION REELECTED TO THE
10:06:11AM POSITIONS WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY KNOWING THAT THEY CAN PUT
10:06:14AM THEIR TRUST IN ME AND THAT I WILL SPEAK UP FOR THEM IN ALL
10:06:18AM HONESTY AND SINCERITY.
10:06:21AM FINALLY, I AM A 30-YEAR EMPLOYEE AND I AM SO PROUD OF THE
10:06:26AM MOFFITT CANCER CENTER.
10:06:28AM I CONTINUOUSLY ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF PATIENTS AND THEIR
10:06:33AM FAMILIES.
10:06:33AM I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:06:37AM AND TO SPEAK UP FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE AND DILIGENTLY
10:06:42AM SERVE IN.
10:06:43AM YOU KNOW, IT DEEPLY DISTURBS ME AND SADDENS ME TO HEAR
10:06:49AM STORIES THAT I HEAR HERE TODAY OF COMMUNITY SENIORS.
10:06:53AM COMMUNITY SENIORS WHO HAVE PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES
10:07:00AM AND NOW NEED SIMPLE HOME REPAIRS.
10:07:02AM I CAN TRULY SAY TO ALL OF YOU THEIR STORIES ARE NOT STRANGE
10:07:06AM TO ME.
10:07:07AM I HAVE HEARD THEM MYSELF.
10:07:09AM I HAVE ANSWERED PHONE CALLS.
10:07:11AM I RECEIVED VIDEOS CONCERNING LEAKING ROOFS.
10:07:14AM AND I HAVE ADVOCATED ON THEIR BEHALF.
10:07:18AM MY COMMUNITY IS FEARFUL OF RETRIBUTION.
10:07:23AM THEREFORE, I AM SPEAKING HERE ON THEIR BEHALF TODAY.
10:07:29AM I HAVE NO FEAR.
10:07:29AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
10:07:31AM I HAVE TO ADVOCATE, I HAVE TO SERVE, I HAVE TO PROTECT.
10:07:36AM AS THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, CAC CHAIR OF EAST
10:07:44AM TAMPA CRA, AND COMMUNITY ADVOCATOR, I AM RESPECTFULLY
10:07:50AM CREATING THE HOMEOWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB FUNDS BE AWARDED
10:07:56AM THROUGH A RFP.
10:07:59AM IT IS ONLY FAIR.
10:08:00AM A FAIR WAY TO HAVE THIS PROCESS -- TO HAVE THIS PROCESS
10:08:04AM HAPPEN.
10:08:04AM IF NOT, I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU ALL DON'T AGREE WITH THE
10:08:07AM COMMUNITY.
10:08:09AM I ASK THAT YOU SEND THE CRA FUNDS BACK TO THE CRA TO BE
10:08:17AM INCLUDED IN THE HOMEOWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB FUNDS THAT INTEREST
10:08:22AM IN THE CURRENT CRA BUDGET.
10:08:25AM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE,
10:08:30AM I WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR MY COMMUNITY.
10:08:32AM THANK YOU.
10:08:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:08:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, COUNCILMEN, ALISON HEWITT,
10:08:46AM 4904 32nd STREET.
10:08:47AM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT -- I VOLUNTEER A LOT OF MY TIME.
10:08:52AM AND THERE ARE SEVERAL BOARDS THAT YOU HAVE THAT PEOPLE
10:08:56AM VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME.
10:08:57AM TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY.
10:08:59AM ALSO TIME AWAY FROM THEIR BUSINESS WHERE THEY CAN MAKE
10:09:01AM MONEY.
10:09:02AM BUT THEN THEY COME FORWARD AND MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS,
10:09:06AM AGAIN, JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:09:07AM YOU MAY TAKE THEM.
10:09:08AM YOU MAY NOT.
10:09:09AM BUT AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT THESE FOLKS ARE IT SHALL FEEL
10:09:13AM LIKE THEIR TIME WAS WELL INVESTED.
10:09:15AM NOW THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO SAY THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO OR
10:09:18AM THREE PEOPLE FROM EAST TAMPA THAT COME UP AND SPEAK.
10:09:20AM AND THAT IS PROBABLY TRUE.
10:09:23AM AND THERE IS A LOT THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT THE FEAR IN THE
10:09:27AM COMMUNITY.
10:09:28AM WE HAD A GENTLEMAN JUST SAID THAT OPPOSITION RESEARCH WAS
10:09:32AM DONE ON HIM BECAUSE HE SPOKE.
10:09:33AM IF HE IS A PROFESSIONAL, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE
10:09:36AM HOMEOWNER WHO MAY WORK FOR THE CITY, WHO MAY BE IN FEAR OF
10:09:39AM COMING UP HERE TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE,
10:09:43AM WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE, BECAUSE THERE IS RETRIBUTION THAT
10:09:47AM IS OUT THERE.
10:09:47AM IF THEY CAN GO AFTER A SITTING CITY COUNCILMAN, THEY CAN GO
10:09:52AM AFTER ME.
10:09:52AM THEY CAN GO AFTER EVERYONE HERE.
10:09:54AM TAKE IT IN YOUR HEART TO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A FEW OF US
10:09:57AM THAT, YES, WE STAND UP HERE, WHO, YOU LIVELIHOODS DO NOT
10:10:04AM DEPEND IF SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY COMES AFTER US TO LISTEN
10:10:06AM AND TAKE HEART TO WHAT THIS HE DO.
10:10:08AM I WILL SAY ALSO THE NONSUBPOENA POWER WAS CONCERNING FOR ME
10:10:13AM FOR NOT TAKING OUR RECOMMENDATION.
10:10:15AM JUST THE OTHER NIGHT, I WAS TURNING LEFT ON HILLSBOROUGH AND
10:10:19AM 22nd.
10:10:20AM I WAS SIDESWIPED.
10:10:21AM I TURNED ON THE HAZARDS.
10:10:24AM DIDN'T WANT TO TOP AT HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO TURN.
10:10:27AM THE POLICE OFFICER CAME AFTER ME.
10:10:29AM HE WAS BEHIND US.
10:10:30AM HE SAID, YES, I SAW THE GENTLEMAN HIT YOU.
10:10:32AM BUT HE CAME AFTER ME.
10:10:33AM HE SAID YOU WERE FLEEING.
10:10:35AM I SAID MY HAZARDS WERE ON.
10:10:37AM I JUST TURNED THE CORNER.
10:10:38AM NOW I AM SHAKEN UP BECAUSE SOMEONE HIT ME.
10:10:41AM NOW WHO -- IF THAT POLICE OFFICER HAD ESCALATED HAD NOT BEEN
10:10:45AM PEOPLE THERE, WHO WAS GOING TO REVIEW THAT POLICE OFFICER?
10:10:48AM SOMEONE ELSE TO WENT TO THE ACADEMY WITH HIM?
10:10:50AM SOMEONE ELSE WHO -- BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE GOTTEN BIGGER
10:10:54AM BECAUSE WHY COME AFTER ME BECAUSE A FAMU TAG BECAUSE YOU
10:10:59AM KNOW I AM AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
10:11:00AM BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TINTED WINDOWS?
10:11:03AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:11:03AM I RESPECT POLICE OFFICERS.
10:11:04AM I BELIEVE THAT THEIR JOB IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
10:11:07AM BUT I DO FEAR EVERY TIME THE LIGHTS GO ON BEHIND MY CAR.
10:11:12AM REGARDLESS -- I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING.
10:11:14AM NOT SPEEDING.
10:11:15AM NOT DO ANYTHING.
10:11:16AM BUT YOU JUST AS DRIVING BLACK IN AMERICA IS DANGEROUS.
10:11:20AM SO FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO NOT ALLOW AT LEAST TO HAVE
10:11:27AM TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN IS A
10:11:31AM CHALLENGE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
10:11:32AM AND THEY CAN NOT COME UP HERE AND SPEAK AND KNOW THAT YOU
10:11:35AM WILL PROTECT THEM IF YOU ARE NOT EVEN TAKING THE
10:11:38AM RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PEOPLE IT WAS HARD FOR THEM TO
10:11:41AM PROBABLY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY WERE
10:11:44AM BLACK AND BROWN, THEY KNOW IT WILL FOLLOW THEM.
10:11:46AM THANK YOU.
10:11:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:11:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:11:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:11:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF JOHNSON, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT --
10:11:56AM THAT MISS ALISON HEWITT HAD A POLICE REPORT FILED AND
10:12:00AM WHATEVER.
10:12:01AM IT WAS A HIT-AND-RUN.
10:12:02AM WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF HIT-AND-RUN.
10:12:03AM AND MAKE SURE THAT -- MAKE SURE SHE WAS -- TO MAKE SURE WE
10:12:08AM HAVE THE RIGHT THING GOING ON IF YOU WILL DO THAT FOR ME.
10:12:11AM THANK YOU.
10:12:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS KEELA McCASKILL.
10:12:16AM FOR A WHILE IN EAST TAMPA, THERE HAS BEEN A BIG PUSH
10:12:19AM TO JUMP START REVITALIZATION.
10:12:22AM AND IT IS SO WANTED.
10:12:24AM ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS IN THE AIR ARE SOME OF THE
10:12:27AM PROGRAMS RENDERED UNDER THE AUSPICES UNDER THE CITY OF
10:12:30AM TAMPA.
10:12:30AM MY CONCERN IS THAT WE NEED A MORE EFFECTIVE PROCESS TO
10:12:34AM ACCEPT, TO SCORE, TO INSPECT THE SCOPE OF WORK, TO EVALUATE
10:12:38AM THESE INVOICES, COMPLAINTS WITH A QUALITY ASSURANCE
10:12:43AM COMPONENT.
10:12:43AM WE OWE THAT TO THE CITIZENS, PARTICULARLY THE SENIORS, THE
10:12:46AM MOST VULNERABLE GROUP IN THIS DISTRICT.
10:12:49AM WE OWE THAT TO THEM.
10:12:51AM I SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL OF THEM AND THEY ADDRESSED CONCERNS OF
10:12:55AM THE CONTRACTORS.
10:12:56AM LIKE SOME OF YOU, THEY ARE AFRAID.
10:12:57AM IF THEY PUBLICLY SAW A PUBLIC SERVANT GO UNDER ATTACK FOR
10:13:02AM NOT NECESSARILY AGREEING AND GOING FORWARD, WHAT DO YOU
10:13:05AM THINK WILL HAPPEN TO THEM, THEY SAID.
10:13:07AM REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT PAPERWORK SAYS, THEY BELIEVE THAT
10:13:10AM THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE THEIR HOME BECAUSE THEY ACCEPTED
10:13:12AM FREE WORK.
10:13:13AM THESE ARE SENIORS.
10:13:14AM THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES PARTICULARLY FOR
10:13:19AM AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
10:13:19AM THEY ARE FEARFUL TO COME FORWARD.
10:13:21AM I AM COMING ON THEIR BEHALF BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE FEAR.
10:13:25AM YOU CAN'T GET BLOOD FROM A TURTLE.
10:13:28AM COME AFTER ME.
10:13:29AM REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PAPERWORK, THEY ARE FEARFUL.
10:13:32AM WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO COME DOWN AND FIGHT -- OR EVEN GIVE
10:13:36AM THEM THE REQUESTED TO FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.
10:13:38AM WE HEARD FROM SOME IN THE ROOM TODAY AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE
10:13:41AM PAID IN TAXES OVER 30, 40, 50 YEARS.
10:13:44AM WE OWE THAT TO THEM.
10:13:46AM THEY PAID IN AND ALL THEY ARE DOING IS TRYING TO BENEFIT
10:13:49AM FROM THE TAX DOLLARS THEY PAID INTO.
10:13:51AM WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS TODAY IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:13:55AM YOU HAVE SEEN SOME EXAMPLES -- AT LEAST I WAS ESSENTIALLY
10:13:58AM THOSE EXAMPLES.
10:13:59AM DO YOU THINK THOSE COSTS ARE ACCEPTABLE AS TAX PAYING
10:14:02AM CITIZENS.
10:14:03AM DO YOU THINK THOSE COSTS REPRESENT GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR
10:14:07AM DOLLARS AND TAXPAYERS.
10:14:09AM I WENT ON RECORD THAT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION AND IT SHOWS
10:14:12AM WE ARE BEING IRRESPONSIBLE.
10:14:14AM I AM ASKING FOR ANOTHER PROCESS.
10:14:15AM NOT IMPROVING ANOTHER RFP OPENS THE FLOODGATE FOR MORE MEDIA
10:14:20AM EXPOSURE AND HELPS TO OPEN UP POTENTIAL LITIGATION UNDER THE
10:14:26AM AUSPICES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:14:28AM THE WORKS GETS OUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN YOU
10:14:32AM SUBMIT AN INVOICE.
10:14:33AM IT CAN BE EXORBITANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
10:14:36AM NOBODY HAS A PROCESS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
10:14:39AM PULL IT OFF THE AGENDA, MAKE IT GO TO THE RDC.
10:14:46AM SOMEBODY INTERNAL THAT CAN LOOK AT A HOME 860 SQUARE FEET
10:14:49AM AND NO HE IT IS EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR IT TO BE
10:14:54AM $36,000.
10:14:54AM SOMEBODY SHOULD KNOW A WATER HEATER DOESN'T COST $7800.
10:14:58AM THE SAME AMOUNT SHOULDN'T BE ON EVERY SINGLE INVOICE.
10:15:02AM THERE IS ISSUE BUT THE CITY OF TAMPA SIGNED OFF, RUBBER
10:15:05AM STAMPED THEIR SIGNATURE WITHOUT A PROCESS.
10:15:08AM WE NEED THAT IN TAMPA FOR THOSE SENIORS.
10:15:10AM TODAY I ASK YOU TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
10:15:12AM YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO US TUESDAY, BUT IMPERATIVE YOU LISTEN
10:15:16AM TO US TODAY.
10:15:16AM THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND WE NEED FOR YOU
10:15:19AM TO HELP.
10:15:20AM ALL WE ARE ASKING PULL IT AND MAKE IT A MORE EFFECTIVE
10:15:23AM PROCESS.
10:15:23AM THAT'S IT.
10:15:24AM YOU SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID TO DO THAT.
10:15:26AM THANK YOU.
10:15:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:15:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:15:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:15:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF THE COUNCIL ALLOWS, THAT WE WAIT UNTIL
10:15:39AM YOUR ITEM COMES UP AND A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON WITH THE
10:15:42AM HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO RECTIFY SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS AND
10:15:45AM TALK ABOUT THEM.
10:15:46AM IF YOU WOULD.
10:15:47AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:15:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
10:15:58AM I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT OF ALL THE
10:16:02AM VOICES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE HERE THIS MORNING, NOT GOOD NEWS
10:16:07AM THAT IS COMING OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY BUT A BUNCH OF PAIN.
10:16:11AM PAIN THAT SOMETIMES IS ALREADY ORCHESTRATED NOT BY THEM, BUT
10:16:17AM BY THOSE THAT CONTROL THE DOLLARS.
10:16:19AM WE HAVE SEEN THIS PROCESS FOR SO LONG, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE
10:16:23AM NOT STUDENTS OF HISTORY, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD TAKE
10:16:26AM TIME TO GO BACK AND JUST RESEARCH HOW J. EDGAR HOOVER AND
10:16:35AM EVEN OUR DEAR FRIEND BOBBY KENNEDY SAT UP, SPIED ON, CAUSED
10:16:42AM CONFUSION WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, BLACK LEADERSHIP,
10:16:45AM BLACK ORGANIZATIONS SO WE CAN HAVE JUST WHAT WE ARE SEEING
10:16:48AM HERE TODAY.
10:16:49AM WHAT IS CONTROLLING ALL OF THIS IS LACK OF HOPE IN OUR
10:16:53AM COMMUNITY.
10:16:53AM YOU CAN BRING 1,000 CAMERAS, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO STOP
10:16:58AM IT.
10:16:58AM NEITHER DO WE HEAR ANYBODY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TALKING
10:17:02AM OF REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE.
10:17:04AM WE DID THE DRUG MARCHES.
10:17:08AM SENT PEOPLE TO PRISON.
10:17:09AM ENHANCED PENALTIES.
10:17:11AM AND WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUES.
10:17:13AM WE WATCHED OUR OWN CHILDREN, CHARGES BEING ENHANCED BECAUSE,
10:17:17AM YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY WERE IDENTIFIED AS CRIMINALS OR EITHER
10:17:20AM THEY HAD ACTIVE MOTHERS THAT JUST WOULDN'T SHUT UP.
10:17:23AM SO WE ARE EXPERIENCING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
10:17:26AM SO I WILL SAY OUR NEW ENEMY IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT CAN SOLVE
10:17:31AM THESE PROBLEMS WILL COME FROM MR. BENNETT'S OFFICE, FOLLOWED
10:17:35AM BY THE MAYOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.
10:17:36AM WON'T DO IT.
10:17:38AM BECAUSE SHE DON'T HAVE ANY POLITICAL TIES TO THIS COMMUNITY,
10:17:42AM THIS BLACK COMMUNITY.
10:17:43AM SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY STRUGGLING OVER THE SAME PEANUTS OVER
10:17:47AM AND OVER.
10:17:48AM IF WE GOT SOME REAL HOUSING PROBLEMS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:17:50AM AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE HEARD IT.
10:17:54AM THE MONEY CONTROLLED BY THE REHAB -- THE DEPARTMENT COMES
10:17:57AM THROUGH THE CITY.
10:18:00AM THE CITY CONTROLS IT.
10:18:01AM THE CITY DETERMINES WHICH HOUSES IT IS GOING TO BE -- THE
10:18:04AM CITY WRITES OFF ON IT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
10:18:08AM SO THE NONPROFITS ARE BEING USED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:18:11AM WHEN YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO BE THE CRA LEADERSHIP THERE, WE
10:18:16AM HAD THE SAME COURSE JUMP UP.
10:18:19AM STOP IT.
10:18:20AM THIS IS A DIVIDED CITY THAT HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING FOR BLACK
10:18:25AM PEOPLE BUT ALLOWED CERTAIN BLACK PUPPETS TO BARK IN THE
10:18:33AM CITY'S BEHALF.
10:18:33AM WE ARE SICK OF IT.
10:18:35AM HOPEFULLY COME MARCH OF 2023, EVEN IF WE DON'T WIN, WE PUT
10:18:40AM OUT A RESOUNDING VOICE THROUGH OUR VOTE THAT WE ARE NOT
10:18:44AM GOING TO BE PUPPETEERS FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION.
10:18:47AM BENNETT, DO YOUR JOB.
10:18:49AM THANK YOU.
10:18:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:18:51AM >> GREAT SEGUE IN.
10:18:58AM ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:19:00AM THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
10:19:02AM CRB.
10:19:03AM ELECTED OFFICIALS -- KEYWORD IS "ELECTED."
10:19:08AM YOU HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF
10:19:11AM YOUR CONSTITUENCY.
10:19:13AM NOT FALL UNDER THE PRESSURE OF A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS OVER
10:19:16AM BREAKFAST OR LUNCH.
10:19:17AM THIS IS DÉJÀ VU TO THE HOUSING SITUATION THAT WAS BROUGHT
10:19:24AM BEFORE YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
10:19:26AM YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE WILL TO PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE TO LET THEM
10:19:30AM VOTE ON IT.
10:19:31AM YOU MADE THE DECISION TO SAY THAT IT WOULDN'T WORK.
10:19:35AM YOU MADE THE DECISION TO PUT OBSTACLES IN.
10:19:39AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR YOUR
10:19:45AM BRAVERY IN VOTING THE RIGHT WAY.
10:19:48AM THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR YOU TO MAKE THE DECISION TUESDAY.
10:19:57AM THEY WANTED THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THE DECISION.
10:19:59AM BUT YOU DIDN'T -- YOU DIDN'T ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.
10:20:03AM DISGUST, DISAPPOINTMENT IS COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY JUST
10:20:11AM LIKE CONNIE JUST SAID.
10:20:13AM WE CAN COME UP HERE EVERY WEEK TO SAY THE SAME THING TO YOU.
10:20:17AM AND YOU GIVE US THOSE STONE FACES AND DO NOTHING.
10:20:20AM PROMISE US BEHIND THE CLOSED DOORS.
10:20:23AM BECAUSE I LOBBIED A LOT OF YOU, RIGHT.
10:20:25AM BUT WHEN IT WAS TIME FOR IT TO HAPPEN, YOU COWARDED -- YOU
10:20:31AM WERE COWARDS AND YOU COWARDED OUT.
10:20:34AM ELECTION TIME IS COMING.
10:20:36AM MY ORGANIZATION -- THAT IS WHY WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE.
10:20:40AM BECAUSE WE ARE OUT GETTING PEOPLE ELECTED.
10:20:42AM WE ARE HAVING A BIG MARCH SATURDAY.
10:20:46AM COME OUT.
10:20:47AM COME OUT AND SEE THE MARCH.
10:20:49AM AND SEE WHAT YOU WILL BE UP AGAINST IN MARCH.
10:20:53AM BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR YOU NOT TO DO THE WILL OF
10:20:59AM THE PEOPLE.
10:21:01AM AND YOU BE PRESSURED UNDER LOBBYING THE LAST CONVERSATION
10:21:06AM THAT YOU HAVE THAT THREATENING YOU FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
10:21:09AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:21:10AM BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
10:21:12AM BUT IF YOU CAN'T FIND THE MOTIVATION TO DO YOUR JOB AND THAT
10:21:17AM IS LOOK OUT FOR YOUR CONSTITUENCIES, THAT ONE LOBBYER CAN'T
10:21:22AM VOTE YOU IN.
10:21:25AM IT IS A MULTITUDE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT VOTES YOU IN.
10:21:27AM [BELL RINGING]
10:21:31AM THAT'S IT.
10:21:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:21:34AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:21:42AM ALWAYS HAVE TO SAY UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
10:21:47AM WE, AS AFRICAN PEOPLE, SHOULD BE THINKING OF OUR FREEDOM.
10:21:51AM NEVER BE ASHAMED TO STEP FORWARD TO LIVE, DIE, STRUGGLE, DO
10:21:54AM WHATSOEVER FOR OUR FREEDOM.
10:21:56AM I AM SO PROUD TO SEE ALL THESE AFRICAN WOMEN HERE TODAY.
10:22:00AM I AM SO PROUD TO SEE THAT.
10:22:02AM TO SEE YOU HAVE BEAT DOWN THE AFRICAN MEN, IN PRISON, SCARED
10:22:07AM TO COME OUT.
10:22:08AM WHITE FOLK SCARED TO GET OUT.
10:22:12AM THAT GUESS STAFF POE OPERATION GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
10:22:16AM THIS MAN RIGHT HERE, CHIEF BENNETT, MR. BENNETT, WHATEVER
10:22:20AM THEY CALL HIM.
10:22:20AM HE PULLED SOMETHING THAT WAS SO OFFENSIVE AND SO NASTY AND
10:22:24AM SO THREATENING RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN HE TOOK A
10:22:26AM PICTURE AND SHOWED OF ORLANDO GUDES AND THE MAYOR BEFORE A
10:22:29AM VOTE.
10:22:30AM WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE, A THREAT?
10:22:32AM SUPPOSED TO BE INTIMIDATION?
10:22:34AM SUPPOSED TO SHOW CAPITULATION.
10:22:38AM IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOK WHAT HE WAS THEN AND LOOK AT HIM
10:22:43AM NOW AND HOW HE VOTE TO SHOW SOME DISHONESTY.
10:22:46AM THE COMMERCIAL AGAINST ANA PALUNA ,AND THE MAN SAYS I WAS IN
10:22:52AM THE MILITARY.
10:22:52AM I DID THIS.
10:22:53AM I DID THAT.
10:22:54AM AND RERUNNING A COMMERCIAL AND IT IS SAYING GAY, GAY, GAY,
10:23:02AM GAY, GAY.
10:23:03AM THAT'S HATEFUL.
10:23:04AM WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY AND WHAT YOU
10:23:07AM HAVE BEEN DOING TO THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY IS HATEFUL.
10:23:10AM HEY, MAN, I HAVE BEEN AROUND 60 YEARS.
10:23:13AM 65 YEARS, GOING ON 70 YEARS.
10:23:16AM ALL KIND OF CRAZINESS AND ALL KIND OF DUMB HOUSING PROGRAMS.
10:23:20AM LOTTERY.
10:23:20AM STAND IN LINE.
10:23:21AM ALL THE WAY BACK TO MAYORS THAT PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW.
10:23:26AM MAYOR POE, GRECO, SANDY FREEMAN.
10:23:30AM WAY BACK.
10:23:31AM THE GUY THAT WENT UP FOR GOVERNOR.
10:23:35AM HATEFUL WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING TO AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:23:39AM IT NEEDS TO STOP.
10:23:40AM ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE NEED CAMERAS, WE
10:23:44AM NEED THIS, WE NEED TO BUY THIS BUSINESS AND DO THAT.
10:23:46AM YOU KNOW, WHITE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS, BUT YOU
10:23:50AM HAVE TO KNOW AT THE TOP OF THE LEVEL IS -- THE TOP OF THE
10:23:53AM LINE IS, THIS CITY COUNCIL OR NO OTHER CITY COUNCIL, THEY
10:23:56AM DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
10:23:57AM THEY WANT THE CITY.
10:23:58AM THEY WANT THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO GO UNDER.
10:24:00AM THEY WANT THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO DEVOLVE SO THEY CAN MOVE IN
10:24:04AM WITH GENTRIFICATION.
10:24:05AM THAT IS AN OFFICIAL PROGRAM.
10:24:08AM AN OFFICIAL PROGRAM SO BLACK PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE WEEK
10:24:12AM AFTER WEEK, YEAR AFTER YEAR, DECADE AFTER DECADE BEGGING, IT
10:24:16AM IS DOING NO GOOD.
10:24:17AM THEY MADE A BIG ISSUE OF GIVING SOMEBODY -- GETTING AN
10:24:20AM ATTORNEY AND AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY ON A BOARD.
10:24:24AM HEY, THIS IS AMERICA.
10:24:25AM THAT SHOULDN'T BE NO BIG DEAL.
10:24:28AM NONWHATSOEVER.
10:24:29AM BUT WHAT YOU ALL GUYS ARE DOING, ITS -- IT IS SO HATEFUL.
10:24:35AM SO ANTI-BLACK.
10:24:36AM UNTIL WE AFRICAN PEOPLE CAN HAVE A UNITED VOICE AND SAY WE
10:24:40AM WANT REPARATIONS, NOT ONLY FROM BUSINESSES AND THE FEDERAL
10:24:43AM GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT, BUT FROM THIS CITY
10:24:46AM GOVERNMENT.
10:24:46AM WHEN WE HAVE THAT UNITED VOICE, THAT IS WHERE IT IS GOING TO
10:24:50AM BE AT.
10:24:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:24:51AM MR. SHELBY.
10:24:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:24:55AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
10:24:57AM I WANT TO REMIND THE CHAIR AND COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE
10:25:00AM PUBLIC, PLEASE, RULE 5-F, WHICH STATES IN PART, SPEAKERS
10:25:07AM SHOULD REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY
10:25:10AM CITY OFFICIAL, CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
10:25:13AM COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL
10:25:16AM COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:25:17AM JUST A REMINDER OF THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL, PLEASE.
10:25:20AM AND THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
10:25:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:25:22AM I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS ONLINE.
10:25:25AM JUST TWO.
10:25:28AM WHO ARE THEY?
10:25:35AM MR. RANDOLPH, ARE YOU THERE?
10:25:38AM >> YES.
10:25:38AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
10:25:41AM AND I AM WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
10:25:46AM CORPORATION.
10:25:46AM I WANT TO START OFF FIRST BY THANKING THE NATION FOR
10:25:52AM ATTENDING OUR MOST RECENT MEETING ON REFUSING STREET
10:25:56AM VIOLENCE AND NATIONAL APPROACH.
10:25:59AM THOSE AREAS INCLUDE CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, PHILLY, NEW
10:26:06AM JERSEY, SOUTH CAROLINA, VIRGINIA PARK, D.C., BALTIMORE, AND
10:26:09AM PHILLY.
10:26:10AM SOME OF THE MOST VIOLENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE NATION CAME TO
10:26:14AM THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
10:26:16AM I ESPECIALLY WANTED TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CITY
10:26:22AM COUNCIL FROM ST. PETE FOR ATTENDING THAT PARTICULAR MEETING
10:26:25AM TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND THE NATION.
10:26:27AM THE MEETING WAS DEDICATED TO THOSE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES
10:26:32AM IN THE STREETS AND THEIR FAMILIES, THOSE WHO LIVE IN FEAR,
10:26:36AM AND MORE IMPORTANT, FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A
10:26:39AM SOLUTION.
10:26:39AM AMONG THOSE THAT ATTEND WAS THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE
10:26:43AM HOUSING AUTHORITY, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, THE HEALTH
10:26:46AM DEPARTMENT.
10:26:47AM YES, BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
10:26:51AM DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
10:26:52AM DEPARTMENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE.
10:26:54AM AND OTHER AGENCIES THAT ATTENDED.
10:26:56AM WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT IS THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE THE
10:26:59AM STREETS TO SAVE THE STREETS.
10:27:03AM I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR ATTENDING AND I APOLOGIZE THAT
10:27:07AM WE HAD 66 THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO ATTEND.
10:27:10AM 30 DID ATTEND.
10:27:11AM THE REST WERE NOT ABLE TO GET IN BECAUSE OF ZOOM.
10:27:15AM WE ARE GOING TO DO A FOLLOW-UP MEETING BECAUSE WE DID GET A
10:27:19AM CONCERN FROM RESIDENTS THAT WANT US TO DO AN EVENING
10:27:22AM MEETING.
10:27:23AM WHAT WE DO KNOW, THERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO DEAL WITH THE
10:27:26AM MADNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:27:27AM AND WE SHOW THAT HAVE PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY AS TO
10:27:32AM WHAT WE CAN TO DO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THIS CRAZY THING IN
10:27:37AM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:27:37AM BUT IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY.
10:27:39AM TAKING BACK THE STREETS.
10:27:41AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:27:42AM HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:27:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NEXT WE WILL HAVE MISS WAYMOUTH.
10:27:50AM >>CLERK: MISS TINA WAYMAN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:28:05AM PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:28:06AM MISS WAYMAN, YOU ARE UNMUTED ON THE WEBINAR.
10:28:25AM SO YOU MAY HAVE YOUR PERSONAL DEVICE MUTED.
10:28:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:28:42AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:28:43AM I AM VERY DISTURBED BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS THIS MORNING.
10:28:47AM WE HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY STAFF HAS DONE
10:28:54AM OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THIS
10:28:57AM MORNING WE HEARD THAT POTENTIALLY A STAFF PERSON DID
10:29:00AM OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
10:29:02AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
10:29:06AM ATTORNEY TO ENACT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL INVESTIGATIVE PARTSER
10:29:11AM INS IN THE CHARTER IF ANY CITY STAFF ON CITY TIME OR DEVICES
10:29:15AM WERE INVOLVED IN THE OPPOSITION AGAINST JAMES SHAW AND WHY.
10:29:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE A SECOND?
10:29:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SECOND.
10:29:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:29:31AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:29:33AM PARDON?
10:29:38AM ALL IN FAVOR --
10:29:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAY I SPEAK.
10:29:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY DISCUSSION.
10:29:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:29:45AM SO OPPOSITION RESEARCH MEANING WHAT, SOCIAL MEDIA, TEXT, YOU
10:29:52AM KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE FACEBOOK, TWITTER.
10:29:54AM I KNOW EVERYBODY IS PRETTY ACTIVE THERE.
10:29:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT IS SOMEONE UNDER THE DIRECTION OF
10:30:03AM THE OFFICER OF A CITY OR ON CITY TIME AND CITY DEVICES DID
10:30:07AM RESEARCH AGAINST A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PUSH A POLITICAL
10:30:14AM AGENDA I DON'T KNOW WHAT LAWS THAT MIGHT BREAK, BUT PEOPLE
10:30:19AM -- PEOPLE HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY
10:30:22AM WANT ON THEIR OWN TIME.
10:30:23AM MY QUESTION IS, I HAVE HEARD SO MANY RUMORS OF OPPOSITION
10:30:26AM RESEARCH BEING DONE, THAT -- THAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK
10:30:30AM INTO THIS.
10:30:30AM IF AN OUTSIDE RESEARCHERS FINDS THAT NOBODY IS IT ON CITY
10:30:35AM TIME AND CITY DEVICES, THEN FINE.
10:30:38AM WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION FROM THE PUBLIC TO NOT PEOPLE AFRAID.
10:30:42AM SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAID THEY ARE AFRAID OF
10:30:45AM RETALIATION BY CITY STAFF.
10:30:46AM I MEAN THIS IS THE UNITED STATES.
10:30:48AM PEOPLE MOVE TO THE UNITED STATES SO THAT THEY WON'T BE IN
10:30:51AM FEAR OF RETALIATION BY GOVERNMENT.
10:30:53AM AND WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO CLAIMS HE WAS
10:30:57AM RETALIATED AGAINST AND OTHERS WHO ARE HINTING THAT OTHER
10:31:00AM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RETALIATED AGAINST.
10:31:02AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY DID THAT,
10:31:05AM THAT IT WAS ON THEIR OWN TIME.
10:31:07AM AND NOT ON CITY DEVICES, BUT IF SOMEBODY PAID BY THE CITY OR
10:31:11AM DIRECTED BY THE CITY DID RESEARCH ON MR. SHAW, I FIND THAT
10:31:15AM REPREHENSIBLE AND AGAINST BASIC AMERICAN VALUES OF
10:31:20AM DEMOCRACY.
10:31:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:31:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:31:24AM CAN WE GET THIS BROUGHT UP MAYBE AT NEXT WEEK'S HEARING SO I
10:31:28AM CAN TALK TO STAFF ON THE REP PERCUSSIONS ON THIS?
10:31:31AM I -- IF SOMEONE IS USING CITY DEVICES AND CITY TIME FOR
10:31:36AM ISSUES LIKE THAT, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY PROBLEMATIC, BUT I AM
10:31:39AM JUST WORRIED OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
10:31:43AM I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF IT, BUT MAYBE CAN THIS BE BROUGHT
10:31:47AM UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
10:31:49AM AGAIN, I WANT TO HAVE ALL PROPER DELIBERATION WITH THIS.
10:31:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM FIND IF THE SECONDER WILL GO WITH IT.
10:31:57AM MR. VIERA -- COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND
10:32:01AM IN CIVIL RIGHTS.
10:32:02AM SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU WOULD SUPPORT THIS.
10:32:05AM BUT I MADE THE MOTION.
10:32:07AM I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE BRING BACK THIS MOTION FOR A VOTE
10:32:11AM AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING.
10:32:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: SURE.
10:32:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NEXT WEEK'S MEETING, MADAM CLERK.
10:32:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE CRA.
10:32:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO IT AT THE EVENING MEETING.
10:32:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PARDON?
10:32:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A
10:32:31AM MEETING.
10:32:31AM WE CAN PUT IT IN TWO WEEKS IF WE WANT.
10:32:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOVEMBER 17.
10:32:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULDN'T GO ALONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE I -- I
10:32:39AM AM NOT QUITE SURE I WILL BE ABLE TO ATTEND ALL OF THE
10:32:42AM NOVEMBER 17 MEETING.
10:32:43AM I -- I AM FINE WITH JUST -- AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE PUT
10:32:49AM SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT IS GOING TO BE
10:32:52AM SOLVED RIGHT AWAY.
10:32:53AM SO I THINK THE IDEA OF APPROVING THIS MOTION IS REALLY NOT
10:32:57AM ALL THAT DIFFICULT AND WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION
10:33:00AM AFTERWARDS, BECAUSE THAT IS GENERALLY HOW OUR MOTIONS ARE
10:33:03AM MADE.
10:33:04AM WE ARE MAKING A MOTION TO GET MORE INFORMATION, OR AT LEAST
10:33:07AM THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE.
10:33:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:33:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:33:13AM THIS MORNING I HEARD GUN VIOLENCE.
10:33:15AM I WAS AT REAGAN PARK THE OTHER DAY.
10:33:18AM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND HURTAK WERE THERE.
10:33:22AM I HEARD OF THIS REHAB PROGRAM AND OUR SENIORS.
10:33:24AM BUT WE ARE FOCUSED -- THESE ARE REAL SERIOUS PROBLEMS ON TOP
10:33:28AM OF HOUSING.
10:33:29AM BUT WE ARE FOCUSED SO MUCH ON RETRIBUTION, REVENGE,
10:33:34AM VENGEANCE, GETTING EVEN.
10:33:36AM ALL WE DO IS FIGHT.
10:33:38AM ALL WE DO IS FIGHT.
10:33:39AM PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE WITH SERIOUS ISSUES NOT JUST EAST
10:33:43AM TAMPA AND THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:33:45AM ALL IT IS CONSTANT THREATS.
10:33:47AM CONSTANT SOMETHING OR CONSPIRACY OR WHATEVER.
10:33:49AM BUT WE HAVE REAL ISSUES TO SOLVE AND WE WASTE SO MUCH TIME
10:33:54AM ON -- ON FIGHTING.
10:33:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:34:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAD HIS HAND UP.
10:34:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM LISTENING INTENSELY AND ALLEGATIONS
10:34:08AM MOVING FORWARD.
10:34:09AM BEFORE I GO FURTHER, THEY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND REVIEWED
10:34:13AM TO MAKE SURE ALL THE FACTS ARE THERE.
10:34:15AM NOT THAT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS NOT FACTUAL, BUT IN LIFE
10:34:19AM YOU TELL SOMEBODY ELSE AND BY THE TIME YOU GO THREE DOWN,
10:34:23AM CHANGE FROM A BATTLESHIP TO A FULL ATOMIC WAR.
10:34:26AM SO IT HAS GOT TO CHANGE AND FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE FACTS ARE.
10:34:29AM ALLEGATIONS ABOUT ROOFS.
10:34:31AM ALLEGATIONS ABOUT PAYING THEY TIMES THE AMOUNT, $38,500 FOR
10:34:35AM A 800-SQUARE-FOOT HOME ROOF IS WAY OUT OF LINE.
10:34:40AM $25,000 IS WAY OUT OF LINE.
10:34:42AM MAYBE $14,000 IS STILL OUT OF LINE.
10:34:44AM 1800 SQUARE FOOT ROOF -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY -- BUT THE
10:34:49AM ROOF COSTS BY THE SQUARE.
10:34:50AM IF THEY DID THE JOB RIGHT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
10:34:53AM A HUMP BEFORE, I GO HE IS A HUMP AFTERWARDS.
10:34:55AM THE HUMP WASN'T REMOVED AND CHARGED HIM AGAINST -- I NEED
10:35:01AM ALL THE FACTS REGARDING NOT ONLY THAT CASE BUT THE
10:35:03AM ALLEGATIONS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
10:35:04AM I AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
10:35:06AM AND I WANT TO SEE ALL THE INFORMATION COME IN BEFORE WE
10:35:09AM START A FULL-BLOWN INVESTIGATION.
10:35:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:35:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN SEE THE POINT, MR. CARLSON.
10:35:17AM AND OTHER AVENUES, MR. CARLSON, BEFORE WE CAN GET TO THAT
10:35:22AM LEVEL.
10:35:22AM I DO KNOW -- AND I AM CANDID.
10:35:24AM OPPOSITION -- THINGS AGAINST ME, MR. MIRANDA.
10:35:29AM THEY WENT TO THE UNION AND THEY SAID NO, WE WON'T DO THAT.
10:35:33AM THAT IS TRUE.
10:35:34AM THAT DOES HAPPEN.
10:35:35AM WHAT I WILL SAY IF -- YOU HAVE AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT THAT
10:35:40AM -- AND EVEN THOUGH AN OFFICER DOES WORK FOR THE UNION AT THE
10:35:43AM TIME, THEY ARE STILL A POLICE OFFICER.
10:35:45AM AND THEY STILL ARE HELD TO THOSE STANDARDS AS WELL.
10:35:51AM SO IN REFERENCE TO MR. CARLSON'S MOTION IS DONE, IF MR. SHAW
10:35:56AM WANTS TO FILE A COMPLAINT OR ASSISTANT CHIEF JOHNSON AND
10:35:59AM HEARD IT WHAT THE ALLEGATION -- POTENTIAL ALLEGATION, THEY
10:36:03AM CAN WRITE A SERVICE LEVEL COMPLAINT AND HAVE THAT LOOKED AT
10:36:06AM AND SENT OVER TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
10:36:08AM I THINK THAT IS ONE AVENUE VERSUS THE WHOLE BLOWN -- TO GET
10:36:13AM AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY.
10:36:14AM BUT ANY OFFICER, NO MATTER IF THEY ARE PART OF A UNION OR
10:36:17AM NOT, THEY ARE STILL UNDER THE RULES OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS
10:36:22AM REGARDLESS AND CAN BE SENT OVER TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR
10:36:25AM INVESTIGATION.
10:36:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH THAT.
10:36:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:36:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL SAY TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:36:32AM YOU IMPLIED THAT THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF OUR CITIZENS ARE NOT
10:36:35AM IMPORTANT.
10:36:36AM SURE THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES HERE, BUT THE MOST BASIC RIGHT
10:36:40AM FOR AMERICANS IS CIVIL RIGHTS.
10:36:41AM IF SOMEONE'S CIVIL RIGHTS WERE BREACHED, I THINK THAT IS AN
10:36:45AM INCREDIBLE VIOLATION.
10:36:46AM WE HEARD A LOT OF VIOLATIONS -- BUT THE FIRST SPECIFIC
10:36:50AM EXAMPLE THAT SOMEONE SAID IT PUBLICLY ON THE RECORD AND
10:36:54AM CONCERNS ME.
10:36:54AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO YOU KEEP OVER AND OVER AGAIN SAYING
10:36:57AM YOU WISH THERE WAS PEACE AND PEOPLE START FIGHTING.
10:37:00AM YOU ARE IMPLYING THAT WE OR I ARE CAUSING THAT FIGHTING.
10:37:04AM I AM NOT.
10:37:04AM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO TELL THE ADMINISTRATION TO STOP
10:37:08AM FIGHTING WITH US.
10:37:09AM ASK THEM TO COME APOLOGIZE TO US.
10:37:11AM WHY ARE THEY DOING OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON US.
10:37:13AM WHY ARE THEY DOING OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON PEOPLE.
10:37:17AM WHY IS THE STAFF AND MAYOR BRINGING IN PEOPLE TO SPEAK IN
10:37:20AM FAVOR OF THE -- THE RENTING WHILE BLACK PROGRAM.
10:37:23AM DIRTY POLITICS.
10:37:27AM AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A STRAIGHT-ON CONVERSATION AND
10:37:31AM DISCUSS AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH SHOULD -- THE SEPARATION OF
10:37:35AM POWERS.
10:37:40AM THIS DISPLAY OF POWER.
10:37:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CAN WE PLEASE MOVE
10:37:46AM FORWARD.
10:37:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM SORRY, MR. CARLSON -- MR. CHAIRMAN,
10:37:50AM ARE YOU PULLING BACK MR. CARLSON FROM THE FLOOR.
10:37:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:37:53AM I AM -- NO, I AM NOT.
10:37:55AM I AM SAYING WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.
10:37:57AM WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
10:37:59AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU STILL WANTING THAT MOTION TO BE
10:38:03AM VOTED ON OR PULLING BACK THE MOTION.
10:38:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE VOTED ON, PLEASE.
10:38:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAIT, I AM SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:38:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
10:38:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF COUNCIL WANTS TO VOTE ON IT, THAT'S
10:38:20AM FINE.
10:38:20AM BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS OFF THE AGENDA THAT CAME AS.
10:38:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE SOONER WE GET RESOLVED, WE CAN GET TO
10:38:32AM THE AGENDA, THE REASON MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE IN THE
10:38:34AM AUDIENCE.
10:38:35AM COUNCILMAN VIERA, PLEASE MAKE IT QUICK AND THEN GO TO
10:38:37AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:38:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN -- CAN WE HAVE THIS VOTED ON AT THE END
10:38:42AM OF THE MEETING INSTEAD OF GOING ON -- WOULD THAT AT LEAST --
10:38:45AM TO AT LEAST HAVE IT DONE TODAY BUT AT THE END OF THE
10:38:48AM MEETING.
10:38:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT A REQUEST FOR THE FORM OF A MOTION.
10:38:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: REQUEST.
10:38:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:38:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANY ALLEGATION DONE PUBLIC HAPPEN HERE
10:39:02AM TODAY.
10:39:02AM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:39:05AM TALK TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT.
10:39:07AM THEY DO THE INVESTIGATION AND BRING BACK A REPORT.
10:39:09AM BASED ON THAT REPORT, IF WE ACCEPT IT OR NOT ACCEPT IT, YOU
10:39:13AM DO SOMETHING ELSE.
10:39:14AM WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
10:39:15AM YOU NEED A STARTING POINT.
10:39:16AM LET THOSE THAT ARE TRAINED FOR THAT DO THEIR JOB.
10:39:19AM AND WITHOUT OTHER HESITATION, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES,
10:39:24AM THAT IS AN ALLEGATION BASED ON SOMETHING.
10:39:28AM TO CLEAR THE AIR OR TO TAKE THE POLLUTANTS OUT OF THE BAY,
10:39:32AM WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS FINE.
10:39:35AM AND THOSE POLICE OFFICERS, WHETHER THEY ARE IN OR OUT OF THE
10:39:38AM UNION, TOOK AN OATH OF OFFICE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW.
10:39:41AM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:39:43AM THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST STEP TO FIND OUT WHAT THE REALITIES
10:39:48AM ARE OF LIFE.
10:39:48AM I MYSELF MANY TIMES IN THE PAST HAVE INTERNAL AFFAIRS COME
10:39:52AM IN TO SEE ME REGARDING A POLICE OFFICER.
10:39:54AM I HAD TO TESTIFY FOR WHAT I KNEW AND WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW.
10:39:58AM THAT WENT ON.
10:39:59AM THIS IS YEARS AGO.
10:40:00AM SO THAT WENT ON, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE CASE, I REALLY
10:40:03AM DON'T KNOW.
10:40:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:40:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM SURE RIGHT NOW THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS
10:40:12AM CAPTAIN IS WATCHING THIS VIDEO AND STARTED ALREADY, I CAN
10:40:15AM ASSURE YOU.
10:40:16AM THAT IS PRETTY MUCH HOW IT WORKS.
10:40:17AM I AM SURE SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMAND LEVEL WILL BE LOOKING
10:40:20AM INTO THIS RIGHT AWAY, MR. CARLSON.
10:40:23AM THAT IS MY PERSPECTIVE.
10:40:24AM LET'S SEE WHEN IT COMES BACK.
10:40:26AM FROM THERE, YOU MAY TAKE THE NEXT STEP, BUT LET THE INTERNAL
10:40:30AM AFFAIRS UNIT WITH THE POLICE OFFICER -- STILL AS A POLICE
10:40:33AM OFFICER.
10:40:33AM AND I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS ALL THE
10:40:37AM TIME, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOES WORK.
10:40:38AM I HAVE SEEN SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T, BUT NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN,
10:40:42AM IT DOES WORK.
10:40:43AM THAT WILL BE MY RECOMMENDATION YOU TOO.
10:40:46AM IF YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION.
10:40:48AM I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:40:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:40:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT I MEAN LET'S STOP FIGHTING.
10:40:55AM ALL-INCLUSIVE, HERE, THERE, IN THE PUBLIC, WE ARE NOT
10:40:59AM GETTING ANYWHERE.
10:41:00AM I AM NOT SINGLING OUT ANYBODY OR A SINGLE BODY.
10:41:03AM ENOUGH.
10:41:04AM THANK YOU.
10:41:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I CLARIFY THE MOTION REAL QUICK.
10:41:08AM TO LOOK AT STAFF NOT THE POLICE.
10:41:10AM IN OTHER CASES WE HEARD OF, OTHER STAFF HAS SUPPLIED
10:41:14AM INFORMATION -- THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE POLICE.
10:41:16AM IT WOULDN'T BE COVERED TO LOOK INTO INTERNAL INVESTIGATION
10:41:20AM WOULDN'T COVER IT.
10:41:20AM IT IS POSSIBLE THAT POLICE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE
10:41:23AM OPPOSITION RESEARCH.
10:41:24AM POSSIBLE SOMEONE ELSE WAS.
10:41:26AM SO TO LOOK AT ALL STAFF, NOT JUST POLICE.
10:41:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:41:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM THINKING THAT MR. SHAW MADE A
10:41:35AM STATEMENT IN REFERENCE TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION.
10:41:38AM SO HE IS STILL A PART OF THE CITY.
10:41:40AM AND HE IS STILL A PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:41:42AM SO THAT'S WHY I AM LOOKING AT, HE IS STILL A PART OF STAFF,
10:41:46AM REGARDLESS.
10:41:47AM HE IS WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:41:49AM HE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.
10:41:50AM SO I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT I THINK FROM THIS SPACE,
10:41:54AM THE ALLEGATION THAT WAS MADE TODAY.
10:41:55AM IF YOU ARE SAYING YOU WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER STUFF AND OTHER
10:41:58AM THINGS THAT HAPPENED, MAYBE THAT IS A DIFFERENT MOTION.
10:42:00AM I THINK WHAT I AM HEARING AND BROUGHT UP WAS ABOUT THE ISSUE
10:42:02AM RIGHT HERE WITH MR. SHAW.
10:42:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK.
10:42:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:42:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE MOTION AND
10:42:14AM CERTAINLY THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPON ABLE TO COMPLY WITH
10:42:21AM THIS.
10:42:21AM AND CERTAINLY WILL TAKE SOME INVESTIGATION ON MY PART TO
10:42:25AM FIND OUT.
10:42:25AM CERTAINLY IF IT IS AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, BUDGETARY AND THE
10:42:30AM LIKE.
10:42:30AM THIS SECTION, IN MY EXPERIENCE AS CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY HAS
10:42:34AM NEVER BEEN INVOKED.
10:42:35AM SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD INVOLVE SOME REPORT TO
10:42:42AM COUNCIL AS TO WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE.
10:42:44AM SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
10:42:47AM CERTAINLY COUNCIL IS FREE TO EXPRESS ITS DESIRE UNDER THE
10:42:53AM PROCESS OF MAKING A MOTION AND WE WILL BE -- I WILL BE ABLE
10:42:56AM TO REPORT BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
10:42:57AM IF YOU WANT TO HOLD IT, I CAN PERHAPS DO IT DURING LUNCH
10:43:02AM TODAY AND HAVE IS THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:43:03AM BUT THAT IS YOUR CALL.
10:43:04AM IF COUNCIL WANTS TO EXPRESS ITS SENTIMENT NOW, I UNDERSTAND
10:43:08AM THAT AS WELL.
10:43:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:43:11AM ONE LAST ROUND OF DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
10:43:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:43:16AM IF I REMEMBER THE TEXT -- AND I THINK MR. GUDES SAID IT IN A
10:43:20AM VERY NICE WAY, THAT WITH AS A GOOD CITIZEN MAKING AN
10:43:23AM ACCUSATION AGAINST A GOOD OFFICER -- OR WHATEVER THE DEAL
10:43:27AM WAS.
10:43:27AM AND IT IS UP TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO START THAT
10:43:31AM INVESTIGATION.
10:43:31AM WHERE IT GOES I DON'T KNOW.
10:43:34AM I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THOSE DONE MANY YEARS AGO AND NOT MANY,
10:43:39AM BUT THEY ARE FAR IN BETWEEN.
10:43:42AM AND WHEN I TELL YOU THEY DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, THEY
10:43:45AM DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.
10:43:47AM WE HAVE ALREADY THAT STAFF ON HAND.
10:43:50AM LET THEM DO THE INVESTIGATION REPORT BACK TO US.
10:43:52AM WHAT MORE CAN THEY HAVE.
10:43:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
10:43:58AM ALL I KNOW IS -- ARE YOU FINISHED?
10:44:04AM ARE YOU FINISHED.
10:44:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO REPEAT AGAIN --
10:44:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ARE FINISHED, PLEASE, YOU ARE
10:44:09AM RECOGNIZED.
10:44:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE POLICE, AND STAFF
10:44:13AM AND FINDING OUT IF EVERYBODY ON STAFF DID THAT.
10:44:16AM TO MAKE SURE THAT -- AFFECTING SOMEBODY'S CIVIL RIGHTS IS
10:44:20AM THE MOST BASIC AMERICAN RIGHT.
10:44:22AM AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- BY THE WAY THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
10:44:25AM UNDER THE SECOND CIVIL RIGHTS INVESTIGATION OF THE
10:44:27AM DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN SEVEN YEARS.
10:44:30AM AND I THINK WE HAVE TO PROTECT CIVIL RIGHTS.
10:44:33AM IF THIS IS NOT THE PROCESS AND THIS FAILS, WHICH IT SOUNDS
10:44:36AM LIKE IT WILL, I HOPE SOMEONE ELSE WILL PROVIDE SOMETHING
10:44:39AM ELSE.
10:44:40AM WE TRIED THE OTHER DAY TO PROTECT CIVIL RIGHTS AND FAILED.
10:44:43AM I HOPE WE WILL FIND SOME WAY TO DO THIS.
10:44:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMEMBERS, THE LAST ROUND OF
10:44:47AM DISCUSSION.
10:44:47AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:44:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, I THINK IT IS PROPER TO VOTE ON THIS AT
10:44:52AM THE ENDS OF THE MEETING.
10:44:52AM I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY ON CIVIL SERVICE ISSUES,
10:44:56AM ETC. AND THE SCOPE.
10:44:57AM THAT IS MY ONLY REQUEST.
10:44:59AM WHATEVER.
10:44:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:45:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU GIVE DEFERENCE AND LET MR. SHELBY
10:45:09AM RESEARCH THE CHARTER AND MAYBE LUNCHTIME, HE CAN COME BACK
10:45:13AM AT THE END AND DISCUSS IT THEN.
10:45:15AM I AGREE ARE MR. VIERA ON THIS ONE.
10:45:17AM LET MR. SHELBY TELL US WHAT THE FACTS ARE, WHAT WE CAN DO
10:45:21AM AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
10:45:22AM WE LOOK AT THAT AND TAKE A VOTE.
10:45:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL WITHDRAW MY MEETING AND PRESENT AT
10:45:29AM THE END OF THE MEETING.
10:45:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE MOVING ON TO STAFF REPORTS.
10:45:32AM THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THIS I THINK SO THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED
10:45:35AM OF THIS COUNCIL.
10:45:38AM WE HAVE A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM WE WE WERE GOING TO TAKE
10:45:42AM FIRST.
10:45:42AM WE ALSO HAVE A -- ANOTHER ITEM, NUMBER 35 THAT WE WERE GOING
10:45:49AM TO BE ASKED TO BE TAKEN DURING STAFF REPORTS.
10:45:51AM AND WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FROM CHIEF TRIPP TO HEAR 3 UP AT
10:45:57AM THE BEGINNING AND AGENDA ITEMS 8, 9 AND 10, BECAUSE SHE ALSO
10:46:02AM HAS TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
10:46:03AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THIS TIME, IF I HEAR NO
10:46:07AM OBJECTIONS, TAKE THE WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM FIRST SO THAT OUR
10:46:13AM STATE REPRESENTATIVE CAN GO ABOUT HER DUTIES.
10:46:15AM AND THEN GO ON TO CHIEF TRIPP.
10:46:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: CHAIR, IF I MAY.
10:46:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE.
10:46:27AM WE WILL TAKE COUNCILMAN GUDES WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM FIRST,
10:46:31AM BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT WOULD TAKE SUCH A SHORT TIME.
10:46:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
10:46:34AM AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC -- THAT IS --
10:46:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AND WHY I RAN OUTSIDE.
10:46:40AM I AGREED TO GIVE SOME AWARD FOR THE FLORIDA STATE FAIR.
10:46:44AM I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FLORIDA STATE FAIR 12 MINUTES AWAY.
10:46:47AM TURNS OUT IT IS IN DOVER.
10:46:49AM I FOUND OUT -- YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS IN DOVER.
10:46:52AM I KNOW, I KNOW.
10:46:53AM I WAS TRYING TO CALL TO SEE IF THINGS CAN GET PUSHED.
10:46:57AM BUT I PROBABLY SHOULD LEAVE HERE AROUND 11:10 OR SO TO GET
10:47:01AM THERE BY NOON.
10:47:02AM AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES TO THE PUBLIC.
10:47:04AM I WILL TRY TO GET -- WHEN I MADE THAT COMMITMENT FOR THE
10:47:08AM NOON, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SHORTER.
10:47:10AM MY APOLOGIES.
10:47:12AM THAT IS WHY I RAN OUTSIDE.
10:47:14AM THANK YOU.
10:47:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:47:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS YOU KNOW A VACANCY THAT HAS OCCURRED.
10:47:20AM MR. JOSEPH JOHNSON ON OUR FINANCE -- FINANCE AND BUDGET
10:47:25AM COMMITTEE RESIGNED.
10:47:26AM MY DUTY TO APPOINT ANOTHER PERSON OUT OF MY DISTRICT.
10:47:30AM ALISON HEWITT IS KNOWN IN FINANCING AND BUDGETING TO BE
10:47:36AM APPOINTED TO THE COMMITTEE.
10:47:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:47:40AM SECONDED ABOUT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:47:42AM ALL IN FAVOR.
10:47:43AM THANK YOU.
10:47:43AM LET'S GO TO -- WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, LET'S GO TO AGENDA
10:47:51AM ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:47:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE CAN'T TAKE 8, 9 AND 10, IT'S QUICK?
10:48:11AM >> DO YOU WANT TO DO YOUR STAFF REPORTS OR ME TO SPEAK TO
10:48:14AM AGENDA 5 AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID.
10:48:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: REPRESENTATIVE HART.
10:48:26AM >> YES, SIR.
10:48:27AM MY NAME IS DIANE HART AND I AM REPRESENTING EAST BUSINESS
10:48:32AM CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
10:48:34AM MY HEART BLEEDS THIS MORNING.
10:48:37AM I HAVE BEEN DOING THE JOB SINCE 1999, AND NEVER HAVE WE EVER
10:48:41AM HAD THIS TYPE OF ACCUSATIONS AGAINST OUR ORGANIZATION EVER.
10:48:47AM WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT COMING TO COUNCIL AND SPEAKING TO YOU
10:48:51AM ALL, I LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:48:53AM I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:48:56AM NOBODY IS AFRAID TO TALK TO ME.
10:48:57AM YOU HEARD THE LADY SAY SHE CALLED MY HOUSE AT 10:30, 11:00
10:49:02AM AT NIGHT.
10:49:02AM I NEVER TURN OFF MY PHONE.
10:49:04AM I ANSWER IT EVERY SINGLE CALL.
10:49:06AM NO MATTER WHAT TIME IT IS.
10:49:09AM BECAUSE IT IS MY COMMUNITY.
10:49:11AM BUT TO BE ACCUSED OF DOING SUB STANDARD WORK.
10:49:14AM HAVE A CONTRACTOR SAY HE'S BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
10:49:18AM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DOING THEIR MBE OR THE WMBE AND NOT
10:49:24AM ALLOWING HIM TO HAVE HIS RIGHT.
10:49:25AM WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR WORKING IN THIS PROGRAM, AND HE
10:49:29AM HAD 17 JOBS SINCE 2019, HE WAS SUSPENDED TWICE -- LET'S SAY,
10:49:38AM HE WAS PUT ON PROBATION TWICE FOR SUBSTANDARD WORK.
10:49:43AM HE WAS SUSPENDED FROM THE PROGRAM TWICE.
10:49:45AM THIS LAST TIME WAS DOING WORK WHILE HE WAS SILL WORKING FOR
10:49:52AM US.
10:49:52AM SO NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT HE TOLD ME HE WILL SUE ME, EAST
10:49:57AM TAMPA, CITY COUNCIL.
10:49:58AM HOW HOW DO YOU SUE US WHEN WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE ITEM
10:50:02AM DOCUMENTED JUST MIKE WE DECIDED ONE DAY WE ARE GOING TO
10:50:08AM SUSPEND YOU.
10:50:09AM NO, OVER LONG PERIODS OF TIME AFTER MEETING AND MEETING IN
10:50:12AM MY OFFICE WITH ME, THE GENERAL -- THE CONTRACTOR ON RECORD
10:50:16AM FOR OUR ORGANIZATION.
10:50:17AM AND MY STAFF.
10:50:19AM AND WE TELL YOU WHAT SUB STANDARD.
10:50:21AM WE DON'T WRITE YOU UP.
10:50:22AM AND WE JUST LET YOU GO BACK WITH A PROMISE THAT YOU WILL DO
10:50:26AM BETTER.
10:50:26AM BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT SO MANY TIMES.
10:50:29AM SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE COULD NO LONGER ALLOW HIM TO
10:50:35AM WORK WITH EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
10:50:38AM THAT WAS NUMBER ONE.
10:50:39AM I AM SURE THE CITY WILL SPEAK TO IT.
10:50:42AM AND THEY HAVE IT IN GREAT DETAIL.
10:50:44AM LET ME SPEAK OF MISS BROWNING.
10:50:46AM MISS BROWNING GOT A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR WORK ON HER HOUSE.
10:50:51AM A ANOTHER CITIZEN CALLED ME AND SAID CAN YOU PLEASE COME AND
10:50:55AM JUST TALK TO THE TWO SIDES AND SEE IF YOU CAN BRING SOME --
10:51:00AM SOMETHING SOLVABLE TO THIS ISSUE.
10:51:02AM I SAID YES, ONLY BECAUSE I AM BORN AND RAISED IN THE
10:51:05AM COMMUNITY, NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE, NOT REPRESENTING EAST
10:51:09AM TAMPA, BUT AS A PERSON IN MY COMMUNITY.
10:51:12AM SO I MET WITH HER AND THE CONTRACTOR.
10:51:14AM UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT I THOUGHT THEY HAD REACHED AN
10:51:20AM AGREEMENT BY THE TIME I LEFT THAT HOUSE.
10:51:22AM TO FIND OUT LATER AFTER I LEFT, THEIR WHOLE AGREEMENT FELL
10:51:26AM APART.
10:51:27AM THEY GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT AND EVERYTHING WENT -- LEFT.
10:51:30AM BUT I NEED THE CITY TO UNDERSTAND, EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND
10:51:35AM CIVIC HAD NO PART IN THE BUILDING OF HER HOUSE.
10:51:38AM HE CONTRACTED WITH A CONTRACTOR.
10:51:40AM JUST SO HAPPENS THE CONTRACTOR WORKS IN THE PROGRAM.
10:51:44AM BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IN ORDER FOR A CONTRACTOR TO BE ON
10:51:48AM GOOD FOOTING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY ARE VETTED.
10:51:52AM THE CITY INVESTIGATES ANYTHING THAT THEY GET AS A COMPLAINT
10:51:58AM ABOUT ABOUT A CONTRACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROGRAM.
10:52:01AM MISS BROWNING'S HOUSE HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH A REHAB
10:52:07AM PROGRAM.
10:52:07AM IT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
10:52:10AM AND I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I WENT TO TALK TO
10:52:13AM BOTH SIDES.
10:52:14AM THEY HAD NO REAL AGREEMENT, WHICH BAFFLED ME THAT YOU ARE
10:52:19AM BUILDING A HOUSE AND YOU DON'T HAVE A REAL AGREEMENT.
10:52:21AM BUT I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
10:52:23AM SO I COULD NOT DO ANYTHING TO THAT CONTRACTOR ABOUT HER
10:52:29AM INVOLVEMENT WITH MISS BROWNING'S HOUSE.
10:52:31AM THAT IS A PRIVATE DEAL.
10:52:32AM BUT I TAKE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE SAYING FOLKS ARE AFRAID TO TALK
10:52:40AM TO YOU, BUT THEY ARE NOT AFRAID TO TALK TO ME BECAUSE WE
10:52:43AM HAVE DONE SEVERAL HUNDREDS.
10:52:45AM I HAVE SEVERAL LETTERS TO SHOW YOU AFTER EVERY REHAB WE ASK
10:52:50AM THE HOMEOWNER ARE YOU SATISFIED.
10:52:52AM WAS THE WORK UP TO YOUR STANDARDS.
10:52:54AM HOW WERE YOU TREATED BE THE CONTRACTOR.
10:52:57AM WE HAVE THOSE LETTERS THAT I AM HAPPY TO BRING IN AND SEND
10:53:01AM TO YOU ALL TO SHARE WITH YOU.
10:53:03AM IF I HAD TWO COMPLAINTS OUT OF 111 PEOPLE, I WAS TRULY
10:53:07AM BLESSED.
10:53:07AM MR. GRUBER'S HOUSE WAS WATER QUAGMIRE.
10:53:16AM SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND SOMETHING I HAVEN'T RAN INTO BEFORE.
10:53:21AM BUT MR. GRUBER IS NOT PAYING FOR THE ADDITIONAL WORK.
10:53:25AM I WAS IN TALLAHASSEE.
10:53:27AM I TROVE HOME TO MEET WITH HIM AT HIS RESIDENCE ALONG WITH
10:53:31AM THE CONTRACTOR AND THE CITY STAFF AND THE CITY INSPECTOR WHO
10:53:34AM LOOKED AT THE HOUSE FROM THE SKY, FROM SOMETHING HE HAD LONG
10:53:39AM BEFORE AND SAID, THIS WAS THERE ALL ALONG.
10:53:42AM BUT WE AGREED TO TAKE OFF THE ROOF AND REDO IT.
10:53:47AM BUT WHAT HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T
10:53:50AM JUST ABOUT THE SQUARES, THEY HAD TO REDO THE WOOD AND STUFF
10:53:54AM ONCE THEY REMOVED IT TO TOO I TO CORRECT IT.
10:53:56AM BECAUSE WHOMEVER PUT HIS ROOF ON LEFT SEVERAL LAYERS AND
10:54:02AM THAT'S WHERE THE HUMP WAS ON HIS ROOF.
10:54:04AM WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS OVER AND OVER AND BEEN THROUGH THE
10:54:08AM NEWS.
10:54:08AM WE HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT IT.
10:54:10AM WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD TO REMEDY THIS.
10:54:14AM HE SAID THE CONTRACTOR SPIT ON HIS RUG.
10:54:17AM HE SAID THAT THEY LEFT HIS DOORS OPEN.
10:54:19AM EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN
10:54:24AM ANYTHING I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED.
10:54:27AM I WANT YOU TO KNOW ONE THING ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION.
10:54:29AM I DON'T TOLERATE SUBSTANDARD WORK.
10:54:33AM FOR ME, THOSE ARE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:54:35AM AND I TO EVERYTHING I CAN.
10:54:37AM AND NOBODY CAN EVER TELL YOU THAT I DON'T SHOW UP.
10:54:40AM IF A -- IF ANYBODY CALLS MY OFFICE AND SAYS A CONTRACTOR HAS
10:54:44AM DONE ANYTHING.
10:54:47AM I PERSONALLY GO TO THAT SITE.
10:54:50AM BECAUSE THE ONE THING I AM NOT GOING TO DO IS PUT A LIEN ON
10:54:54AM SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND WALK AWAY AND SAYS IT OKAY.
10:54:56AM WHAT PEOPLE ARE NOT STANDING HERE AND SAYING IS,
10:55:00AM CONTRACTORS, WE BID.
10:55:01AM THEY DO THE WORK.
10:55:02AM WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR THAT INSPECTS IT.
10:55:05AM THE CITY HAS -- YOU KNOW THEY HAVE AN INSPECTION DEPARTMENT
10:55:08AM THAT COMES OUT AND INSPECTS IS.
10:55:11AM SOMEBODY SAYS HQS.
10:55:13AM CITY SENDS AN HQS INSPECTOR.
10:55:17AM WE TO NOT GET PAID UNLESS THAT WORK IS COMPLETELY COMPLETE.
10:55:21AM AND SIGNED OFF BY EVERYBODY.
10:55:23AM I PUT UP MY OWN MONEY -- NOT MINE PERSONALLY, BUT EAST TAMPA
10:55:28AM BUSINESS AND CIVIC TO PAY THE CONTRACTOR WHILE I WAIT FOR
10:55:31AM THE CITY TO REIMBURSE ME.
10:55:33AM THERE IS NO WAY I WILL BE PUTTING MY MONEY OUT ON A SUB
10:55:37AM STANDARD JOB.
10:55:38AM SO I TAKE ISSUE WITH THIS.
10:55:39AM FOR ME, IT'S PERSONAL.
10:55:41AM PAUSE I LIVE THIS COMMUNITY.
10:55:43AM I HAVE 67 YEARS.
10:55:45AM I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING TO ANY OF MY COMMUNITY, SENIOR OR
10:55:50AM YOUNG.
10:55:51AM AND EVERYBODY IN THE PROGRAM IS NOT A SENIOR.
10:55:53AM SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND.
10:55:55AM THIS PROGRAM IS NOT JUST SENIORS.
10:55:58AM SO WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE TO DO I AM OKAY WITH THAT AND IT
10:56:08AM IS ALL ABOUT MY COMMUNITY.
10:56:09AM DOES IT HURT?
10:56:11AM IT HURTS TO HAVE SOMEBODY DRAG ME THROUGH THE MUD AND SAY WE
10:56:16AM ARE DOING SUB STANDARD MUD AND WE DON'T WORK.
10:56:19AM WE ARE NORTHWEST PAYING ATTENTION.
10:56:20AM THAT IS NOT TRUE.
10:56:21AM I LEAVE THIS WITH YOU ALL.
10:56:23AM AS LONG EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION IS PART OF
10:56:26AM THE CITY'S HOUSING PROGRAM, WE WILL ALWAYS DO TOP-NOTCH
10:56:31AM WORK.
10:56:34AM IF I HAVE CONTRACTORS IN THIS PROGRAM THAT DON'T LIVE UP TO
10:56:37AM IT, WE PUT THEM OUT FIRST.
10:56:38AM I SUSPEND THEM.
10:56:39AM THEY GET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
10:56:41AM WE TAKE THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO BID ON THREE PROPERTIES DOWN
10:56:44AM TO ONE.
10:56:46AM AND THEN IF YOU DON'T COMPLETE THAT ONE AND GROW AGAIN TO
10:56:49AM GET TO YOUR THREE, THEN YOU DON'T GET TO DO WORK WITH US AND
10:56:55AM WE PUT PEOPLE -- I DON'T GET TO PUT THEM OUT.
10:56:58AM BUT THEY PUT THEM OUT.
10:56:59AM BUT I WILL FILE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS TO INDICATE TO THE
10:57:02AM CITY THAT THAT PERSON IS NOT LIVING UP TO MY STANDARDS.
10:57:05AM I DON'T PICK THE CONTRACTORS.
10:57:07AM THEY ARE VETTED BY THE CITY.
10:57:08AM AND ONCE THEY ARE VETTED, THEN I AM REQUIRED TO USE THEM I
10:57:17AM USE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
10:57:19AM I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A COMPLAINT WE ARE TAKING ANYBODY WE
10:57:21AM WANT.
10:57:22AM PLEASE, YOU ALL, UNDERSTAND, I AM A PROFESSIONAL.
10:57:25AM 37-YEAR BUSINESS OWNER.
10:57:27AM WITH EAST TAMPA SINCE 1999.
10:57:29AM NOW I AM A LEGISLATOR.
10:57:31AM I TAKE MY JOB VERY SERIOUSLY ON ALL THE ASPECTS.
10:57:34AM WE NEVER JUST PICK ANYBODY TO DO WORK.
10:57:37AM IT IS BIDED ON.
10:57:39AM THE LOWEST BIDDER WITHIN THAT 15% GETS THAT JOB UNLESS I
10:57:47AM HAVE KNOW YOU HAVE BIDED TOO HOE AND COMING BACK FOR CHANGE
10:57:52AM ORDERS.
10:57:52AM I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE YOUR BID.
10:57:54AM OUR BIDS ARE OPEN WITH CONTRACTORS SITTING IN THE ROOM, ONCE
10:57:58AM THE PUTSY ARE OPEN, WE SEND THEM OVER TO THE CITY AND KNOW
10:58:02AM THAT THEY HAVE CHOSEN THE BEST PERSON ACCORDING TO THAT BID.
10:58:05AM RUMORS ARE EASY AND PEOPLE SHOULD STAND UP AND TELL THE
10:58:09AM TRUTH.
10:58:10AM IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, NOBODY CALLED ME IF YOU HAD A
10:58:17AM COMPLAINT, NOBODY CALLED ME.
10:58:18AM OUR BOOKS ARE ALWAYS OPEN.
10:58:20AM WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN.
10:58:21AM WE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
10:58:23AM AND I TELL YOU A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO STAND HERE AND HAVE
10:58:31AM PEOPLE TALK ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION KNOWING THAT WE DO THE
10:58:34AM BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
10:58:35AM SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN
10:58:38AM TODAY BUT NO, WE DON'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY.
10:58:43AM EVERY SINGLE COMPLAINT WITH A CONCERN TO ME.
10:58:46AM AND IF YOU HAVE ONE, THEN YOU BRING IT TO OUR ORGANIZATION.
10:58:49AM THEY DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
10:58:52AM I NEED TO KNOW YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT.
10:58:55AM YOU CAN'T FIX IT, BUT WE CAN.
10:58:57AM SO THANK YOU.
10:58:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:59:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:59:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:59:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE HEARD OF SEVERAL ALLEGED THINGS IN
10:59:19AM REFERENCE TO THE PROING.
10:59:20AM WANT YOU TO TALK OF THE THOSE ISSUE WITH THE HOUSING
10:59:23AM PERSONNEL SO WE CAN IT UP AS WE TALK OF THE MINORITY
10:59:26AM BUSINESS, SO ON HOW DOES THAT WORK AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE
10:59:31AM THE DETAILS SO THE PUBLIC -- WE CAN AIR THIS OUT.
10:59:33AM CLEAR THE AIR AND WE CAN MOVE ON.
10:59:36AM IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
10:59:38AM THANK YOU.
10:59:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:59:40AM NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR OF ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT
10:59:44AM OPPORTUNITY.
10:59:45AM SO THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION GOING ON THIS MORNING A
10:59:53AM LOT OF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
10:59:56AM DEVELOPMENT.
10:59:57AM I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
10:59:58AM MR. GRUBER CAME AND SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HIS ROOF,
11:00:04AM AND THAT WAS IN THE MEDIA.
11:00:06AM YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT MR. GRUBER SAID THIS MORNING
11:00:09AM THAT HE DID NOT GET A RESPONSE.
11:00:11AM IN FACT OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SENT HIM A LETTER ON DECEMBER
11:00:15AM 23, 2021.
11:00:16AM AND WE HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM EVEN AFTER THAT.
11:00:20AM HE -- THERE WAS SOME BUCKLING IN THE ROOF.
11:00:22AM AND HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE WENT BACK AND
11:00:26AM FIXED HIS HOUSE.
11:00:27AM THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS DONE
11:00:33AM TO REPLACE HIS ROOF, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IS NOT THE
11:00:37AM CASE.
11:00:37AM $2500 WAS SPENT ON SIDING.
11:00:40AM $10,000 FOR HIS ROOF REPAIR.
11:00:43AM $8400 FOR HVAC SYSTEM.
11:00:45AM A WATER HEATER WAS $1400.
11:00:47AM EXTERNAL WAS $1500.
11:00:51AM IT IS FOR MR. GRUBER'S HOUSE.
11:00:54AM REPRESENTATIVE HART TALKED OF THE PROCESS IN THE CONTRACTOR
11:00:58AM LIST THAT WE HAVE.
11:00:59AM WE HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE MINORITY CONTRACTORS ON A LIST OF
11:01:05AM 16.
11:01:07AM MR. REEVES RECEIVED THREE PROJECTS SINCE 2019.
11:01:15AM AND HE BEAT ME TO IT TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE A LETTER THAT IS
11:01:19AM COMING OUT TO COUNCIL.
11:01:21AM THEY WILL PROBABLY GET IT TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
11:01:23AM BECAUSE A CERTIFIED RECORD FROM MR. REEVES IN THE MAIL
11:01:28AM CLAIMING DISCRIMINATION AND HE WAS NOT -- IS NOT ALLOWED ON
11:01:33AM THE PROGRAM ANYMORE.
11:01:34AM THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIST OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT
11:01:40AM MR. REEVES CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
11:01:41AM HE HAS DONE WORK WITHOUT PERMITS.
11:01:44AM IMPROPER PERMITS.
11:01:45AM NOTIFIED ABOUT IT.
11:01:46AM WARNED ABOUT IT.
11:01:47AM HE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED BEFORE.
11:01:49AM AND HE IS BEING SUSPENDED AGAIN.
11:01:51AM SO THAT IS MR. REEVES.
11:01:54AM AND I WILL E-MAIL THE DETAILED LETTER TO YOU.
11:01:56AM REMOVED FROM THE CONTRACTOR'S LIST IN CLEARWATER FOR SIMILAR
11:02:02AM ACTION.
11:02:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: REPEAT THAT PLEASE.
11:02:05AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: REMOVED FROM A CONTRACTORS LIST FROM THE
11:02:09AM CITY OF CLEARWATER FOR SIMILAR THINGS WE ARE SUSPENDING HIM
11:02:12AM FOR FROM OUR PROGRAM.
11:02:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:02:16AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK OF RETALIATION AND
11:02:22AM RETRIBUTION.
11:02:22AM I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IS NOT COMING FROM THE
11:02:26AM CITY STAFF OR THE CITY OFFICE.
11:02:27AM THE COMMENTS ABOUT RETALIATION AND RETRIBUTION, NOT COMING
11:02:31AM FROM MY OFFICE.
11:02:31AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS COMING FROM.
11:02:33AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- THAT IS NOT COMING FROM US.
11:02:36AM SO THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING LAUNCHED OUT THERE, BEING
11:02:44AM PULLED AS IF IT IS PART OF THE CITY PROGRAM.
11:02:46AM I WILL NEVER STAND BEFORE YOU AND SAY OUR PROGRAMS ARE
11:02:49AM PERFECT.
11:02:49AM I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT.
11:02:50AM WE ALWAYS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE, STREAMLINE THE
11:02:54AM PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR OWNER-OCCUPIED PROGRAMS ARE
11:02:58AM AUDITED BY HUD.
11:03:01AM AND I THINK -- WE CAN ASK OUR INTERNAL AUDIT DEPARTMENT TO
11:03:05AM DO AN AUDIT ON OUR PROGRAMS AS WELL.
11:03:07AM WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE.
11:03:09AM THE COMMENTS WE HEAR IN WORKING ALONGSIDE OUR NONPROFITS, WE
11:03:14AM ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR WAYING TO IMPROVE.
11:03:16AM BUT ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR
11:03:20AM RESIDENTS AND OUR CITIZENS.
11:03:22AM A FEW MONTHS AGO EVERY WEEK I WAS BEFORE YOU TALKING OF
11:03:24AM HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND TRYING TO REPAIR HOMES.
11:03:28AM WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS USE AN EXISTING CONTRACT THAT WE HAD SO
11:03:31AM WE DID A STOP SERVICE IN THE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM
11:03:35AM AND CONTINUE THAT SERVICE WITH OUR NONPROFIT.
11:03:39AM WITH A PARTNER NONPROFIT.
11:03:41AM PUT OUT AN RFP, TWO THE EAST TAMPA CIVIC ASSOCIATION
11:03:48AM AND CDC.
11:03:48AM THE CDC WAS USING THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION AS A SUB-RECIPIENT
11:03:52AM TO THE GRANT.
11:03:53AM WE MOVED FORWARD BECAUSE THEY WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT WE HAD
11:03:56AM AND WE HAD AN EXISTING CONTRACT AND WE DID THAT SO AT NO
11:03:59AM POINT DID THE PROGRAM STOP AND THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE
11:04:06AM THE RESIDENTS OF TAMPA.
11:04:07AM THERE ARE OVER 120 PEOPLE ON THAT LIST.
11:04:09AM AND SO THE CHOICES BEFORE YOU -- I SPOKE TO MOST OF YOU THIS
11:04:15AM WEEKEND.
11:04:15AM LAID OUT A CHOICE FOR YOU.
11:04:17AM YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST THAT ARE
11:04:20AM WAITING FOR ROOF REPAIRS OR RESET AND ISSUE AN RFP AGAIN AND
11:04:29AM HOPEFULLY GET MORE RESPONDENTS.
11:04:31AM THE PROCESS WE USED WAS A RFP PROCESS.
11:04:37AM BUT WE CAN'T HELP IF WE DON'T GET A LOT OF RESPONDENTS.
11:04:40AM I AM JUST BEING VERY FRANK WITH YOU.
11:04:42AM A CAPACITY ISSUE.
11:04:43AM YOU HAVE A -- NOT ONLY A HOUSING CRISIS.
11:04:45AM YOU HAVE LABOR SHORTAGES.
11:04:48AM THERE ARE A LOT -- SUPPLY SHORTAGES.
11:04:50AM A LOT GOING ON THAT CREATES A PERFECT STORM THAT WE ARE IN.
11:04:54AM A CAPACITY ISSUE.
11:04:56AM OTHER NONPROFITS.
11:04:57AM SOME NONPROFITS ARE NOT TAKING ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS BECAUSE
11:05:00AM THEY CAN NOT SPEND THE MONEY.
11:05:02AM PARTICULARLY IF THEY HAVE CARES FUND.
11:05:04AM AND THEY ARE OUTSPENDING AND AT CAPACITY.
11:05:07AM THEY ARE MONITORING HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS THEY TAKE
11:05:11AM ON IN FEAR OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY IN TIME.
11:05:15AM AND SO WE ARE PUTTING OUT AN RFQ TO GET CONTRACTORS.
11:05:22AM WE WERE DOING IT DIRECTLY.
11:05:23AM WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS WITH
11:05:26AM PARTNERS IN NONPROFITS AND GOING DIRECTLY TO THE
11:05:31AM CONTRACTORS.
11:05:31AM BUT UNTIL THEN, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.
11:05:34AM IF WE PUT THE RFP OUT AGAIN.
11:05:37AM WOULD WE GET MORE RESPONDENT AS SOON AS PROBABLY.
11:05:40AM AND YOU CAN EXPAND THE PROGRAM THAT WAY.
11:05:42AM THE CHOICE IS FOR YOU TODAY, COUNCIL.
11:05:45AM IT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION, BUT NOT STAFF'S DECISION.
11:05:48AM I AM NOT GOING TO STAND FOR THAT DECISION FOR YOU.
11:05:50AM YOU CAN EITHER MOVE FORWARD AS YOU REQUESTED US TO, OR PUT
11:05:55AM A RFP OUT AGAIN.
11:05:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:06:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: PEOPLE ARE HURTING.
11:06:02AM AND I AM GOING TO SHOW A VIDEO LATER ON.
11:06:05AM PEOPLE ARE HURTING.
11:06:06AM YOU TOLD ME THAT CAPACITY.
11:06:10AM IF I DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA OR
11:06:17AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT CAN'T DO THE JOB OR TAKE ON THE
11:06:19AM JOB, THEN YOU NEED TO PUT THE RFQ OUT OVER THE STATE OR IN
11:06:24AM ANOTHER STATE.
11:06:25AM I DON'T CARE.
11:06:26AM I CARE OF PEOPLE GETTING SERVICE AND GETTING THE JOB DONE.
11:06:32AM IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE HERE IN THIS CITY TO GET THE
11:06:35AM JOB DONE.
11:06:36AM AND YOU JUST TOLD ME THAT EVEN THE CDC IS GIVING MORE WORK
11:06:40AM AND MISS HART.
11:06:44AM ONLY SO MUCH WORK.
11:06:46AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: EVEN IF SHE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD SHE
11:06:49AM COULDN'T CORRECT THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST.
11:06:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GET CALLS.
11:06:55AM LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND GET OTHER
11:06:59AM PEOPLE WHO CAN BE CERTIFIED OR WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS.
11:07:01AM I DON'T CARE IF IT IS OUT OF STATE, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS
11:07:05AM TO GET THEM HERE TO START WORKING.
11:07:08AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IF YOU ISSUED THE RFP, MAYBE SITUATIONS
11:07:12AM HAVE CHANGED WITH THE NONPROFITS.
11:07:13AM MAYBE NEW NONPROFITS OR OTHER NONPROFITS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
11:07:16AM PARTICIPATE.
11:07:17AM YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.
11:07:19AM USUALLY -- I WON'T SAY USUALLY -- BUT IN MY PAST EXPERIENCE
11:07:24AM WHEN I TRY TO GET MINORITY PARTICIPATION PARTICULARLY IN
11:07:28AM CONSTRUCTION OR TRADES, WE WILL GO TO THE AREAS AND HELP
11:07:31AM THEM FILL OUT THE FORMS TO DO THAT.
11:07:33AM AND SO IT IS NOT JUST HERE IN TAMPA.
11:07:36AM A CAPACITY ISSUE AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
11:07:38AM WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORING COUNTIES.
11:07:41AM >> YOU HAVE YOU A BUSINESSES TO ARE WHATEVER IT IS CALL.
11:07:45AM DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THE BALL ROLLING.
11:07:51AM I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE THE PROGRAM IS TO BE HONEST WITH
11:07:55AM YOU.
11:07:55AM LET'S GET IT MOVING TO.
11:08:00AM IT IS SERVICE.
11:08:03AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: AGAIN CAPACITY.
11:08:04AM WHAT I SHARE WITH YOU -- I COME AND SHARE WITH YOU TALKING
11:08:07AM OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND THE PROGRAM.
11:08:09AM I WILL TAKE THIS TIME, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, A MOMENT OF
11:08:13AM PRIVILEGE.
11:08:14AM WE SPENT MONTHS TALKING OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, CAME
11:08:17AM BEFORE THIS COUNCIL.
11:08:18AM WORKED ON MONTHS OF BRINGING YOU RECOMMENDATIONS.
11:08:20AM WE IS IT THAT LAST WEEK ONLY TO BE TURNED AWAY AS IF WE WERE
11:08:24AM THE FIRST TIME TO BE HERE.
11:08:25AM YOU TALK ABOUT CAPACITY, WORKING ON THINGS FOR MONTHS AND
11:08:28AM COUNCIL DECIDING NOT TO ACT ON IT IS HARD.
11:08:31AM WHEN WE HAVE OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE THAT.
11:08:35AM WE SHOULD BE SPENDING OUR TIME ON.
11:08:36AM SO I AM COMING OFF VERY FRUSTRATED THIS MORNING, AND I I AM.
11:08:41AM WE ARE WORKING HARD TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
11:08:44AM IF IT IS THE DIRECTION TO ISSUE ANOTHER RFP.
11:08:47AM WE CAN BE CREATIVE AND TRY TO GET OTHER NONPROFITS.
11:08:50AM WE CAN REACH OUT TO CONTRACTORS BEYOND CITY LIMITS TO DO
11:08:54AM THAT.
11:08:54AM WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
11:08:56AM WE ARE FOLLOWING DO THE WORK.
11:08:58AM DON'T MAKE ME DO THE WORK AND THEN COUNCIL DECIDES NOT TO
11:09:01AM ACT ON IT.
11:09:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: INCLUDES THAT WHEN -- MAYBE YOU ONLY NEED
11:09:05AM PAINTING DONE OR A ROOF OR SOME OF THE STUFF.
11:09:08AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: TO YOUR PAINT POINT.
11:09:11AM THERE ARE TRADES -- SOMEBODY MAY NEED HVAC.
11:09:14AM WE ARE TRYING TO PUT OUT A LIST WHERE WE -- WHERE YOU CAN
11:09:17AM TRIAGE AND THEN YOU CAN DIRECTLY CONTRACT WITH THOSE PEOPLE
11:09:23AM WHO MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED A ROOF AND TRY TO LAYER
11:09:28AM FUNDING.
11:09:28AM MISS TATE WAS HERE EARLIER AND I KNOW EAST TAMPA CRA ASKING
11:09:35AM FOR OWNER-OCCUPIED FOR A LONG TIME.
11:09:37AM PUT OUT THIRD-PARTY AND THAT DID NOT COME BACK FLAVORABLE.
11:09:41AM I AM CONFIDENT IF WE -- IF WE STREAM LINE THE PROCESS WITH
11:09:45AM OUR HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND
11:09:47AM PROVIDED THE RIGHT RESOURCES WHICH I AM COMING TO SPEAK TO
11:09:50AM YOU ABOUT WITH CRA BECAUSE YOU ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL
11:09:54AM FUNDING.
11:09:54AM YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE THESE PROGRAMS FASTER.
11:09:57AM I CAN'T MOVE A NAVY SHIP IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION OVERNIGHT.
11:10:00AM WE HAVE TO SLOWLY AND METHODICALLY DO THAT.
11:10:03AM EVERY TIME WE PULL THE RUG AND CHANGE GEARS, WE ARE LOSING
11:10:07AM GROUND.
11:10:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I BELIEVE IN YOU.
11:10:09AM IF YOU SAY THAT IS WHAT YOU NEEDED.
11:10:11AM IF YOU HAVE A TOOL THAT WILL GET US THERE, BY -- I WILL SAY
11:10:15AM COUNCIL, THIS IS THE TOOL THAT WILL WILL GET US THERE NOW.
11:10:17AM AGAIN, YOU HAVE BEEN TRUSTWORTHY TO THIS COUNCIL.
11:10:21AM EVERY TIME YOU COME, YOU HAVE MOVED THE NEEDLE.
11:10:23AM IS THAT WHAT YOU SAY YOU NEED, LET'S MOVE THE NEEDLE.
11:10:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:10:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A
11:10:39AM QUESTION.
11:10:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I DON'T.
11:10:41AM SO THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR OF THIS AGREEMENT, CORRECT?
11:10:47AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO WE PUT OUT A RFP EARLIER THIS YEAR AND
11:10:51AM THE ONLY TWO RESPONDENTS -- WE REMOVED THAT.
11:10:55AM INSTEAD -- WE ALREADY HAD A CONTRACT.
11:10:57AM 37 AND WE ARE ADDING TO IT SINCE THAT IS THE ONLY RESPONDENT
11:11:00AM ANYWAY.
11:11:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOT IT.
11:11:02AM BUT IS THERE ANYTHING PRECLUDING US FROM GOING FORWARD AND
11:11:07AM ALSO OPENING UP FOR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO WORK UNDER THE -- I
11:11:17AM AM SORRY, THE EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATION?
11:11:26AM DO WE --
11:11:27AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
11:11:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE HAVE AN OPEN RFP -- EVERY TWO MONTHS
11:11:49AM --
11:11:50AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE CAN'T DO THAT.
11:11:51AM WE CAN'T DO THAT.
11:11:52AM THAT WILL KILL ME.
11:11:54AM I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
11:11:55AM YOU ARE SAYING IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT TODAY,
11:11:58AM WHAT PRECLUDES US OF OPENING A RFP -- TALKING TO KEYON AND
11:12:06AM ABBYE, WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THAT.
11:12:09AM WE CAN ISSUE AN RFP TO BRING IN MORE PROVIDERS IF YOU DECIDE
11:12:15AM TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY.
11:12:16AM LET ME SAY THIS THAT ISSUING ANOTHER RFP TO GET ADDITIONAL
11:12:22AM NONPROFITS AND CONTRACTORS.
11:12:23AM CONTRACTORS NEED TO REGISTER WITH US AND NEED TO GET ON THE
11:12:26AM LIST.
11:12:27AM BUT TO ALLOW MORE NONPROFITS TO COME IN, IT IS NOT SOMETHING
11:12:31AM HE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU IN 30 DAYS.
11:12:32AM THAT IS 90 DAYS.
11:12:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM TALKING OF CONTRACTORS AGAIN, THIS IS A
11:12:44AM THREE-YEAR CONTRACT.
11:12:45AM TALK OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF CONTRACTS?
11:12:50AM YES.
11:12:50AM I BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT WITH
11:12:52AM NONPROFITS AND THINGS AT A LATER DATE.
11:12:54AM BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO IS GET PEOPLE -- I AGREE WITH
11:12:58AM COUNCILMAN GUDES 100%.
11:13:00AM WE JUST NEED TO GET PEOPLE ON THE GROUND.
11:13:02AM GET HOUSES -- GET THINGS STARTED AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO
11:13:09AM ENCOURAGE MORE CONTRACTORS TO JOIN SO WE ARE NOT FOCUSED ON
11:13:12AM ONE CONTRACTOR THAT PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH --
11:13:16AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
11:13:18AM I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
11:13:19AM WE HAVE A LIST OF 16 TO 20 CONTRACTORS.
11:13:22AM AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NONPROFIT THAT WORKS WITH HOUSING AND
11:13:26AM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
11:13:26AM YOU GET THE APPLICATION, IT GOES TO THE NONPROFIT.
11:13:29AM WE NEED MORE CONTRACTORS, YES.
11:13:31AM BUT YOU NEED OTHER NONPROFITS TO HELP FACILITATE THAT WORK.
11:13:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO YOU NEED BOTH.
11:13:37AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES, YOU NEED BOTH.
11:13:39AM THE CONTRACTORS ON THE LIST AS MISS HART -- REPRESENTATIVE
11:13:43AM HART TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
11:13:45AM SHE PUTS IT OUT TO BID.
11:13:47AM I DIDN'T TOUCH ON THAT EARLIER.
11:13:48AM BUT YOU PUT THE PROJECT OUT TO BID.
11:13:50AM SCOPE IS WRITTEN UP.
11:13:52AM YOU PUT THE PROJECT UP TO BID.
11:13:53AM INVITE ALL THE CONTRACTORS ON THE CITY'S LIST OF APPROVED
11:13:57AM CONTRACTORS TO BID ON THE PROJECT.
11:13:59AM WE TAKE THE LOWEST MOST RESPONSIVE BID.
11:14:02AM I SAY "MOST RESPONSIVE BID" YOU TAKE THE LOWEST BID AND
11:14:08AM REPRESENTATIVE HART, MR. REEVES TO BID LOW TO GET THE
11:14:14AM CONTRACT AND DOING CHANGE ORDERS TO PUSH THE CONTRACT OUT.
11:14:18AM LOWEST MOSS RESPONSIVE BID.
11:14:20AM THE NONPROFIT THAT GETS THE WORK AND REPRESENTATIVE HART AND
11:14:25AM THE EAST BUSINESS ASSOCIATION CAN ONLY DO SO MANY HOUSES AT
11:14:28AM A TIME EVEN WITH CONTRACTORS.
11:14:29AM YOU NEED ADDITIONAL NONPROFITS.
11:14:32AM WE NEED OTHER PARTNERS IN THIS.
11:14:35AM NOT JUST THE CONTRACTORS.
11:14:36AM IF YOU WANT TO DO MORE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE NONPROFIT.
11:14:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE DO BOTH AT THE SAME
11:14:45AM TIME?
11:14:45AM I AM SEEING ABBYE NOD.
11:14:49AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I AM AFRAID.
11:14:50AM I AM NOT LOOKING.
11:14:51AM SO IT IS JUST -- JUST A MATTER OF -- LIKE WE WERE SAYING
11:14:58AM EARLIER.
11:14:58AM MOVE FORWARD.
11:14:59AM WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
11:15:00AM WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS ROLLING OVER FUNDS.
11:15:02AM WE HAVE NEW FUNDS.
11:15:03AM SO THIS CONTRACT THAT IS BEFORE YOU IS WITH FUNDS THAT ARE
11:15:07AM BEING ROLLED OVER, CORRECT?
11:15:09AM YEAH, SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE NEW FUNDS.
11:15:11AM IF YOU PUT OUT ANOTHER RFP.
11:15:14AM AGAIN, I TOO TOY MANAGE YOUR EXPECTATION THAT YOU DON'T
11:15:16AM THINK I AM COMING IN NEXT WEEK WITH THE LIST.
11:15:18AM YOU PUT AN RFP FOR 30 DAYS.
11:15:21AM YOU HAVE RESPOND DENSE.
11:15:23AM AND WORK WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO GET THE CONTRACTS AND
11:15:26AM COME BEFORE YOU, 90 DAYS OR NOT -- NO -- COMING FOR
11:15:31AM SOMETHING ELSE.
11:15:31AM I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO -- JUST SO THAT I IMAGINE THAT.
11:15:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DOES THAT INCLUDE OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS?
11:15:40AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WHICH PART?
11:15:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOT WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:15:44AM AS LONG AS YOU NAME -- THEY ARE IN CITY OF TAMPA.
11:15:47AM I AM SAYING IF YOU NEED OTHER PROFITS, CAN THEY BE OUTSIDE
11:15:50AM OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY --
11:15:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABBYE IS NODDING.
11:15:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEN I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
11:15:59AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE WILL TAP INTO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
11:16:02AM MARKETING SKILLS.
11:16:03AM WE WILL GO OUT --
11:16:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL OVER THE WORLD.
11:16:07AM >>KAYON HENDERSON: GOOD MORNING, KAYON HENDERSON MANAGER FOR
11:16:13AM HOUSING DIVISION.
11:16:13AM I WANT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT WHAT MISS TRAVIS STATED.
11:16:16AM ONE, WHEN WE ISSUED THE RFP.
11:16:19AM WE REACHED OUT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
11:16:22AM WE HAD NONPROFIT AS FAR AS ORLANDO COME AND THE ONLY TWO
11:16:26AM RESPONDENTS.
11:16:27AM WE PUSHED IT OUT AS MUCH AS WE COULD AND ONLY THOSE TWO
11:16:30AM RESPONDENTS.
11:16:31AM THE OTHER THING TIED UP IN THIS AGREEMENT AND AMENDMENT, OUR
11:16:36AM SHIP FUND AND 900,000 -- CLOSE TO $1 MILLION.
11:16:40AM AND WE ARE FACING AN EXPENDITURE DEADLINE WITH THIS.
11:16:44AM IF WE DON'T AMEND THIS AND GO TO A NEW ONE, JUST RISK THAT.
11:16:49AM WE HAVE THE RISK OF LOSING THOSE FUNDS AND ADDITIONAL FUNDS
11:16:54AM THAT WILL NOT GO TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT NEED IT.
11:16:57AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I SAID THAT IN SOME OF YOUR BRIEFS.
11:17:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I REMEMBER THAT.
11:17:02AM IS THERE A WAY, THOUGH, THAT WE COULD -- I DON'T -- I DON'T
11:17:12AM WANT TO OPEN UP A WHOLE ANOTHER CAN, BUT I WANT TO TOUCH ON
11:17:16AM THE PERSON WHO HAS THE $38,000 ROOF FOR A 800-SQUARE-FOOT
11:17:20AM HOUSE.
11:17:20AM IF THERE IS A WAY -- I KNOW IT HAS SORT OF BEEN EXPLAINED
11:17:25AM BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND $25,000 TO FIX IT.
11:17:28AM SO IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET MAYBE SOME INVESTIGATION OR
11:17:33AM REPORT, LIKE A WRITTEN REPORT SOMEHOW.
11:17:36AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE DID IT.
11:17:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
11:17:38AM I WILL FORWARD IT TO YOU.
11:17:45AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I DID THAT.
11:17:46AM I WILL FORWARD IT TO YOU.
11:17:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO MAKE IT FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT
11:17:50AM MAY BE INTERESTED IN IT.
11:17:51AM I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOLKS TO SEE IT.
11:17:53AM AND IF -- IF SOMETHING WAS DONE WRONG AND THE CONTRACTOR HAS
11:17:59AM BEEN TALKED TO ABOUT OVERPAYMENT AND ISSUES.
11:18:04AM BECAUSE TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE LIKE THAT,
11:18:07AM IT PROBABLY SHOULD LAND YOU ON A WARNING LIST.
11:18:10AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO -- YES.
11:18:13AM LIKE -- LIKE I OUTLINED FOR YOU.
11:18:15AM MR. REEVES.
11:18:18AM WE WERE MADE AWARE OF ISSUES AND IT CAME TO US FROM THE
11:18:21AM HOMEOWNER ABOUT MR. REEVES.
11:18:25AM A LOT OF CONVERSATION OF IN FEAR OF RETALIATION.
11:18:28AM I TOLD YOU WHEN I CAME UP, NOT RETALIATION FROM US, FROM THE
11:18:32AM CITY STAFF.
11:18:33AM WE DON'T HAVE COMPLAINTS COMING TO US DIRECTLY OR SOMETHING
11:18:36AM HARD.
11:18:36AM MISS McCASKILL PROVIDED A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION.
11:18:40AM WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
11:18:42AM IF WE FIND SOMETHING EGREGIOUS, ABSOLUTELY WE WILL DO IT.
11:18:48AM WE CAN'T INVESTIGATE WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
11:18:50AM WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF IT.
11:18:52AM AND.
11:18:52AM WE WILL TO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
11:18:55AM WE DON'T WANT ANYONE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
11:18:59AM ESPECIALLY OUR ELDERLY RESIDENTS.
11:19:01AM WE DON'T TOLERATE AT ALL, AND WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT.
11:19:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONCE YOU FINISH WITH THAT, GIVE US AN UPDATE.
11:19:10AM WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
11:19:12AM THANK YOU.
11:19:12AM >>JOHN BENNETT: COUNCIL, I WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT
11:19:15AM NICOLE'S OFFICE AND MY OFFICE ARE WORKING ON WITH MR.
11:19:18AM SPEARMAN'S OFFICE.
11:19:19AM COUNCIL HAS APPROVED -- AND WE STARTED THIS.
11:19:22AM AND WE PUT IT BACK OUT FOR RFP WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE,
11:19:27AM BECAUSE I DID NOT LIKE THE EBO OF ASPECTS.
11:19:31AM THE EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY ASPECTS.
11:19:35AM THE EBO WORK HAS GROWN IN THAT SPACE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF
11:19:40AM YEARS.
11:19:41AM I MONITOR ON A DASHBOARD WITH MISS OCEA WYNN AND
11:19:48AM REPRESENTATIVE HART'S OFFICE.
11:19:49AM AND A MEETING AND FULL CONTROL WITH THE CONTRACTORS TO DO
11:19:52AM THE REPAIRS IN THE CITY AND WE WANT TO EXPLORE THE
11:19:55AM OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE JOB CONTRACTING IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
11:19:59AM TO SEE IF -- AGAIN, I KNOW LEGALLY I WILL GET KICKED NOR,
11:20:04AM BUT IT IS NOT OFFICIALLY A STATE OF EMERGENCY, BUT IT IS AN
11:20:07AM EMERGENCY.
11:20:08AM WE ARE LOOKING FOR CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK
11:20:12AM IF THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING WHICH IS FULL OF EBO
11:20:16AM OPPORTUNITIES CAN BE CONTROLLED BY CITY STAFF TO SERVE THE
11:20:19AM PUBLIC TO SERVE THE SAME WAY IT SERVES CITY FACILITIES.
11:20:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: A GREAT IDEA.
11:20:24AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CHIEF AND MR.
11:20:28AM SPEARMAN.
11:20:29AM AND ALIS DRUMGO, OUR DEPUTY ASSISTANT MANAGER AND TAKING
11:20:36AM SMALL LITTLE PILOT GROUPS TO WORK OUT THE KINKS BEFORE WE
11:20:40AM PUSH THIS.
11:20:41AM THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
11:20:42AM WE ARE TRYING.
11:20:43AM WE URGE --
11:20:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE WORKING HARD.
11:20:48AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I WILL RELAX A BIT AND TAKE DEEP BREATH.
11:20:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS NEW
11:20:57AM TO ME.
11:20:58AM WHEN YOU GET A CONTRACTOR AND YOU ARE VETTING THESE FOLKS,
11:21:01AM WHEN YOU GET A STORY LIKE THE WOMAN WHOSE HOUSE IS A
11:21:06AM PROBLEM.
11:21:06AM NOT PART OF OUR PROGRAM.
11:21:09AM BUT ONCE YOU KNOW THAT STORY, IS THAT PUT INTO THAT
11:21:15AM CONTRACTOR'S DOSSIER?
11:21:18AM >> WE HAVE.
11:21:18AM YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN TAKING HEARSAY IMPACTING
11:21:29AM PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD AND BUSINESSES.
11:21:32AM YOU HAVE TO IT BE VERY CAREFUL FOR THAT.
11:21:33AM BUT BEYOND HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, OFF
11:21:37AM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DEPARTMENT OF CERTIFIED PROFESSIONALS
11:21:44AM AND A BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT TAKEN AND OATH AND OUR JOB IS
11:21:49AM PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:21:49AM IF THERE IS A PERMIT ISSUED ON THE PROJECT, IT HAS TO MEET
11:21:53AM THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT BEFORE IT IS APPROVED,
11:22:00AM INSPECTED AND THE PERMIT CLOSED.
11:22:02AM WE DON'T GO AND INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING WE HEAR WITH HEARSAY,
11:22:06AM AN OPEN OR ACTIVE.
11:22:10AM WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
11:22:12AM AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
11:22:21AM AND WE ARE IN CHARGE OF SAFETY COMING INTO THIS BUILDING.
11:22:27AM WE ARE IN CHARGE OF GOING INTO THIS HOME AND THE PERSON WHO
11:22:30AM IS PURCHASING YOUR HOME AFTER YOU DO.
11:22:32AM THINGS WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.
11:22:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LIKE I SAID, STILL LEARNING.
11:22:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:22:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS TRAVIS, I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
11:22:46AM I PERSONALLY WENT TO THAT HOME, PERSONALLY.
11:22:49AM IF A BUILDING INSPECTOR INSPECTED THAT HOME, HE SHOULD BE
11:22:53AM FIRED.
11:22:53AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: ABBYE JUST WHISPERED IN OUR EAR THAT HAD
11:22:59AM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS INVESTIGATING THIS.
11:23:01AM SO --
11:23:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
11:23:04AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE CAN TALK OFFLINE.
11:23:07AM IF IT WAS INSPECTED -- LET ME JUST FINISH.
11:23:10AM IF IT WAS INSPECTED AND RELEASED AND IT WAS IMPROPER, I WILL
11:23:17AM TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.
11:23:18AM SO, PLEASE.
11:23:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU.
11:23:21AM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:23:24AM THANK YOU.
11:23:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DID THAT FINISH YOUR QUESTION.
11:23:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, THANK YOU.
11:23:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:23:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM RELATIVELY NEW TO THIS TOO.
11:23:34AM PARDON MY IGNORANCE.
11:23:36AM SO IT SOUNDS LIKE -- IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU -- SOUNDS LIKE CITY
11:23:40AM STAFF IS DOING LOTS AND LOTS OF WORK RELATED TO ALL OF THIS.
11:23:43AM ALL THE STUFF THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
11:23:44AM WHAT IS THE REASON TO OUTSOURCE ANY OF IT TO A NONPROFIT,
11:23:50AM AND DO THESE DO NONPROFITS CHARGE A MARK-UP OR SOMETHING.
11:23:56AM HOW DO THEY GET PAID.
11:23:58AM I HAVE NOT LOOKED THIS UP MYSELF BUT SOMEONE LOOKED UP THE
11:24:05AM 990 AND THE NONPROFIT APPARENTLY REPRESENTS HART AND THE 990
11:24:11AM DOES NOT TAKE A SALARY.
11:24:12AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS TRUE OR NOT.
11:24:14AM A SERVICE THAT THE NONPROFIT, PROVIDING STAFF FOR FREE TO
11:24:18AM MANAGE THIS OR PAY THEM TO MANAGE IT.
11:24:20AM AND WHY -- WHAT IS THE --
11:24:23AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE TO ON FROM
11:24:26AM PROFITS FOR DOING PROGRAMS.
11:24:29AM THERE IS A ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
11:24:31AM I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT TO SAY HOW MUCH
11:24:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: 10%.
11:24:36AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: 10%.
11:24:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH IS THAT, LIKE $300,000 THEN?
11:24:47AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: HOLD ON.
11:24:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU LOOKED AT THE COMPARISON OF WHAT IT
11:24:50AM WOULD COURSE TO HIRE STAFF TO DO THIS AND OUTSOURCE IN
11:24:54AM ANOTHER WAY.
11:24:55AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
11:24:56AM I DIDN'T DO YOUR MATH CALCULATION.
11:24:59AM I WILL LET SOMEONE BACK HERE DO THAT.
11:25:02AM BUT.
11:25:03AM BUT IF WE WERE TO STAFF UP AND DO IT INTERNALLY OURSELVES.
11:25:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: HAVE YOU DONE AN ANALYSIS TO DO IT THROUGH A
11:25:12AM NONPROFIT THAN OURSELVES?
11:25:15AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
11:25:15AM I WILL SAY A DETAILED ANALYSIS, BUT YOU START TALKING ABOUT
11:25:19AM NOT JUST SALARY AND BENEFITS, YOU HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE SOME
11:25:23AM PLACE.
11:25:24AM AND WE ARE AT CAPACITY.
11:25:25AM NOT A LOT OF PLACES TO GO.
11:25:28AM AND I WILL HAVE TO STAFF UP A LOT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
11:25:31AM I AM ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING THROUGH THE CRA FOR THE
11:25:35AM ADDITIONAL MONEY WITH THE HOUSING PROGRAM YOU APPROVED.
11:25:38AM EMPLOYEES TO.
11:25:45AM WE ARE STAFFING UP.
11:25:47AM A IF YOU -- LET ME PUT A PIN IN THAT FOR A SECOND.
11:25:52AM LOCAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT SOLVE ALL ISSUES IN A COMMUNITY.
11:25:55AM WE NEED OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS TO COME ALONGSIDE US.
11:25:58AM SO THIS IS A SPACE THAT THEY CAN ALSO SERVE IN THAT WE CAN
11:26:03AM OUTSOURCE SOME OF THAT FOR A LOWER COST.
11:26:05AM BECAUSE IT IS BUILDING SPACE.
11:26:07AM IT IS TRAINING.
11:26:08AM IT IS ALL OF THAT.
11:26:10AM WE ARE BEEFING UP OUR STAFFING TO PUT MORE MONEY OUT, BUT WE
11:26:14AM NEED OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS TO DO THIS AS WELL.
11:26:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ONE LAST THING.
11:26:21AM THIS IS ORLANDO GUDES' DISTRICT.
11:26:25AM THEY ARE DOING THINGS OUTSIDE OF EAST TAMPA, BUT I WILL TAKE
11:26:30AM HIS DIRECTION AND ADVICE WHAT TO DO.
11:26:32AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: OKAY.
11:26:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:26:35AM ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
11:26:45AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I NEED SOME DIRECTION.
11:26:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SORRY.
11:26:49AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I NEED DIRECTION.
11:26:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
11:26:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP PROCESS.
11:26:57AM BEHIND THE 8-BALL.
11:26:59AM WE NEED THE MONEY SPENT.
11:27:01AM YOU EXPLAINED OF MISS BROWNING'S HOUSE AND MR. REEVES.
11:27:06AM AND AN OFF-LINE CONVERSATION WITH CONTRACT SERVICES AND YOU
11:27:09AM EXPLAINED IT.
11:27:11AM I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO OPEN IT UP TO GET OTHER CONTRACTORS
11:27:15AM AND OTHER NONPROFITS.
11:27:16AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
11:27:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:27:20AM PLANNED CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
11:27:23AM BUT WHAT MR. GUDES JUST SAID.
11:27:25AM IT IS FINE AND GOING TO BE JUST AS DIFFICULT TO CONTINUE TO
11:27:28AM FIND NEW NONPROFITS AND NEW CONTRACTORS.
11:27:32AM EVERYBODY HAS BEEN CORKING UNTIL NOW.
11:27:35AM WITH THE ECONOMY START SOMETHING TO SLOW DOWN, TO FIND MORE
11:27:38AM INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL DO THE WORK.
11:27:40AM IT HAS BEEN A HARD TIME.
11:27:41AM WE HAVE BEEN ON THE ROAD.
11:27:44AM NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT THE WORLD.
11:27:46AM CRUMBLING HERE AND THERE.
11:27:47AM AND OVER THE HUMP, AND EAST TAMPA NEEDS THAT WORK DONE NOW.
11:27:53AM THE MORE WE WAIT, THE MORE COSTLY TO DO REPAIRS.
11:28:00AM A LITTLE LEAK, JUST A LITTLE LEAK.
11:28:03AM TOMORROW, YOU HAVE HALF A ROOF AND MOLD ALL OVER THE HOUSE
11:28:07AM AND OFF PROBLEM THERE.
11:28:08AM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:28:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:28:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST WANT TO BE SURE I HEARDRD WE ARE ALSO
11:28:17AM GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH MORE RFPs.
11:28:20AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THAT'S CORRECT.
11:28:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WILL SHELBY.
11:28:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION IS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR
11:28:28AM NUMBER 5.
11:28:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:28:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION OR AN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF.
11:28:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST AN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF.
11:28:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE MOVING ITEM NUMBER
11:28:43AM 5, FILE NUMBER BZP 22-77366.
11:28:48AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:28:51AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:28:53AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:28:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:28:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:29:01AM EVERYBODY VOTED AYE.
11:29:02AM AND ANYONE OPPOSED.
11:29:13AM MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:29:15AM WITH MR. VIERA BEING ABSENT.
11:29:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT, MISS TRAVIS.
11:29:23AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: NO.
11:29:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT DO YOU WANT.
11:29:26AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE -- WE ARE
11:29:29AM UNDER AN EXPENDITURE DEADLINE FOR S.H.I.P. FUNDS.
11:29:34AM SO WE ARE UNDER EXPENDITURE DEADLINE FOR S.H.I.P. FUNDS.
11:29:39AM IS YOUR FOCUS IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION.
11:29:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TELL US WHAT YOU NEED FOR US TO DO.
11:29:46AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: LISTEN, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
11:29:49AM HOLD ON.
11:29:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT IS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT HER.
11:29:53AM SHE IS STRAIGHT TO THE POINT.
11:29:54AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO BASED ON COMMENTS -- BASED ON WHAT I AM
11:30:15AM HEARING, SO THIS MONEY IS S.H.I.P.,TIF, GENERAL FUND MONEY.
11:30:23AM ALL-INCLUSIVE.
11:30:24AM YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD TO SO THAT PEOPLE CAN
11:30:28AM KEEP GETTING HELP.
11:30:29AM WHAT WE ARE UNDER AN EXPENDITURE DEADLINE FOR IS S.H.I.P.
11:30:33AM FUNDS.
11:30:33AM I WOULD LIKE FOR TO YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RESOLUTION
11:30:37AM WITH THE S.H.I.P. FUNDS ONLY.
11:30:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXPENDED FIRST.
11:30:42AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: EXPENDED FIRST BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE
11:30:45AM UNDER THE DEADLINE.
11:30:46AM WE WILL ISSUE AN RFP AND INCLUSIVE OF ALL MONIES.
11:30:50AM YOU GET MORE NONPROFITS.
11:30:52AM I NEED ANOTHER MOTION TO HAVE ISSUE THE RUSHING RFP TO BE
11:30:59AM INCLUSIVE.
11:31:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS TRYING TO
11:31:02AM IMPLY.
11:31:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
11:31:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T NEED TO RESCIND THE LAST ONE AND DO
11:31:08AM AN ADDITIONAL MOTION.
11:31:10AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: DO AN RAINFALL RFP OF THE PROGRAM OF ALL
11:31:14AM FUNDING.
11:31:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
11:31:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU GOT TO SAY IT THOUGH.
11:31:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, I HEARD YOU ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION
11:31:25AM TO USE THE -- USE THE S.H.I.P. FUNDS FIRST.
11:31:28AM DO WE HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION FOR THAT?
11:31:32AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THE MOTION THAT YOU PASSED DID NOT SPECIFY
11:31:35AM TO USE THE S.H.I.P. FUNDS FIRST.
11:31:37AM I NEED YOU TO DO THAT.
11:31:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AFTER YOU DO THAT ONE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION
11:31:42AM TO USE THE S.H.I.P. FUNDS FIRST.
11:31:44AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: FOR THIS AGREEMENT AND EAST TAMPA.
11:31:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT NOW.
11:31:51AM I AM SORRY.
11:31:52AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YOU ARE FINE.
11:31:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: FINISH THE EAR ONE FIRST AND THEN GO BACK TO
11:31:57AM THIS?
11:31:58AM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
11:32:00AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE WILL GET IT.
11:32:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE TO RESCIND THE ORIGINAL MOTION,
11:32:03AM CORRECT.
11:32:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, RESCIND YOUR ORIGINAL
11:32:07AM MOTION.
11:32:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SECOND IT SO THERE IS A CLARITY ON THE
11:32:11AM BOARDS AND RECORDS AND SO EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW
11:32:14AM WE DID THE RIGHT THING.
11:32:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
11:32:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE
11:32:19AM THE VOTE, PLEASE.
11:32:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:32:22AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:32:23AM WE ARE TRYING TO DO THIS ON THE FLY.
11:32:24AM ASK YOU FOR A THREE-MINUTE BREAK.
11:32:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IN RECESS FOR THREE MINUTES.
11:32:30AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONTRACT YOU
11:40:46AM CAN ISSUE ANOTHER RFP AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO FUND THE
11:40:51AM OTHER RFP.
11:40:52AM WE NEED CONTRACTORS.
11:40:53AM WE HAD THREE TO FOUR MEETINGS THIS YEAR TRYING TO GET
11:40:58AM CONTRACTORS TO COME ON OUR LIST.
11:41:00AM WE ONLY HAD TWO SIGN UP.
11:41:01AM SO THEY DON'T MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS.
11:41:04AM SO NOT LIKE THE MOST LUCRATIVE JOB, BUT A NICHE, RIGHT.
11:41:08AM SO WE NEED TO FIND CONTRACTORS WHO WANT TO WORK WITHIN THIS
11:41:13AM NICHE.
11:41:13AM SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO RECRUIT, BUT I DON'T NEED FOR YOU TO
11:41:18AM DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH A MOTION.
11:41:19AM I WILL PUT OUT ANOTHER RFP FOR THE $3 MILLION.
11:41:23AM AM MY BLOOD PRESSURE IS BACK DOWN.
11:41:26AM [LAUGHTER]
11:41:28AM THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO MAKE SAUSAGE ON THE
11:41:31AM FLY.
11:41:31AM AND YOU HAVE EXPERTS -- YOU HAVE AN EXPERT TEAM THAT IS
11:41:34AM WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS WILL CONTINUE TO
11:41:37AM BE SERVE AS WE TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
11:41:39AM I ALSO WANT TO STAY THAT A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES AND
11:41:42AM PROGRAMS AND THE THINGS WE ARE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS
11:41:45AM NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE PROGRAM.
11:41:47AM THE PROGRAM WORKS.
11:41:48AM WE JUST -- IT IS A CAPACITY ISSUE.
11:41:50AM THAT'S IT.
11:41:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS TRAVIS, IF I AM HEARING CORRECTLY, WE
11:41:55AM DO NOT NEED TO RESCIND THE PRIOR MOTION.
11:41:59AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THAT'S CORRECT.
11:41:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND YOU ARE GOING TO REPORT OF THE NEW RFP
11:42:07AM BEING SENT OUT.
11:42:09AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YOU WILL SEE IT WHEN IT IS READY.
11:42:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALREADY DID APPROVE THE MOTION.
11:42:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN I BE RECOGNIZED.
11:42:21AM WE WILL CHECK OUT THE JOB PROGRAM TO HELP WITH THAT.
11:42:25AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THE JOB PROGRAM THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF
11:42:28AM TALKED ABOUT, WE ARE WORK ON THAT.
11:42:30AM ALL OF THAT FALLS INTO OUR HOUSING BUCKET.
11:42:33AM WE CAN REPORT THAT BACK TO YOU IN A FEW MONTHS.
11:42:37AM YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH THE RAINFALLCRA.
11:42:40AM IT IS IN PLAY.
11:42:41AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I HAVE A 30-SECOND CLIP I
11:42:45AM WANT TO SHOW YOU.
11:42:46AM FOLKS KNEW THIS WAS COMING UP TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING.
11:42:49AM CCTV CAN CUE UP THAT YOUTUBE I SHOT.
11:42:55AM A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.
11:42:57AM IF THEY CAN PULL IT UP.
11:42:58AM TALK WHAT THE CITY OF ATLANTA IS DOING.
11:43:01AM >> LOOKING FOR HELP TO GET MORE FAMILIES INTO HOMES THEY CAN
11:43:08AM AFFORD.
11:43:08AM >> THE MAYOR CALLS IT DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT REPLACEMENT.
11:43:10AM FOX 5 MORRIS DIGGS REPORTS ON THE PROGRESS.
11:43:16AM >>Reporter: WHERE WHERE THE NEW HOUSING BE, DOWNTOWN.
11:43:19AM SEVERAL PARCELS SPREADED AROUND.
11:43:21AM THE KEY POINT, LAND THE CITY CONTROLS.
11:43:24AM IT CAN CONTROL THE RENT MAKING THOSE PAYMENTS MORE
11:43:27AM AFFORDABLE.
11:43:27AM >> PRICED OUT OF A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE IN ATLANTA, SOME
11:43:31AM CITIZENS ARE SO FRUSTRATED THEY COME DOWN TO CITY HALL
11:43:34AM LOOKING FOR HELP.
11:43:35AM >> I AM NOT GIVING UP.
11:43:36AM I CAN COME HERE UNTIL I HEAR RENT, RENT, RENT CONTROL.
11:43:41AM THAT IS WHAT WE NEED.
11:43:42AM DO THE RIGHT THING.
11:43:43AM >>Reporter: SHE EVEN HAD T-SHIRTS TO DELIVER TO THE
11:43:47AM COUNCILMEMBERS, BUT LOCAL POLITICIANS CANNOT TO REPRESENT
11:43:51AM CONTROL.
11:43:51AM BUCKETS OF PUBLIC DOLLARS TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING PROBLEM.
11:43:54AM COVID FUNDING IS SOME.
11:43:56AM >> DISNEY BURRED TENS OF MILLIONS AROUND THE CITY TO HELP
11:44:01AM PAY THEIR RENT IF THEY CAN SHOW THAT COVID HAS CREATED SOME
11:44:04AM SORT OF HARDSHIP.
11:44:05AM >>Reporter: EVEN SO, THE MAYOR IS LOOKING AT LONG-TERM
11:44:10AM REMEDIES.
11:44:10AM >> SOMETHING ABOUT ATLANTANS, WE KNOW HOW TO OVERCOME
11:44:14AM PROBLEMS.
11:44:15AM >>Reporter: ATLANTA PURCHASED A DOWNTOWN TOWER TO BE
11:44:18AM PURCHASED BY THE STATE AND WILL BE CONVERTED INTO HOUSING
11:44:21AM UNITS.
11:44:21AM A FUTURE RESIDENT WILL WALK TO MARTA FIVE POINTS.
11:44:24AM THE CIVIC CENTER DOWNTOWN, A SOLID PLAN TO BUILD HOUSING AS
11:44:29AM PART OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND MAYOR DINKENS IS GETTING
11:44:34AM CHURCHES INVOLVED.
11:44:35AM ONE THAT WILL CONSTRUCT HOUSING ON AVAILABLE LAND.
11:44:38AM >> WE HAVE TO DELIVER 1739 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND HAVE
11:44:44AM ANOTHER 3940 UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
11:44:47AM THAT IS PROGRESS.
11:44:48AM >> Reporter: COUNCILMAN MATT WESTMORELAND SAID THERE IS A
11:44:53AM RACIAL COMPONENT TO ENSURE THAT ATLANTA DOES NOT LOCK
11:44:59AM ANYBODY OUT.
11:44:59AM >> WE HAVE A STARK RACIAL DIVIDE OF THE MEDIAN INCOME OF
11:45:03AM WHITE FAMILIES IN ATLANTA VERSUS BLACK FAMILIES.
11:45:06AM I BELIEVE VERY DEEPLY AND I KNOW THE MAYOR DOES AND MANY OF
11:45:10AM MY COLLEAGUES ON COUNCIL THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE BUILDING
11:45:12AM AN ATLANTA THAT CAN BE HOME FOR EVERYONE.
11:45:15AM >>Reporter: I AM MORRIS DIGS, FOX 5 NEWS.
11:45:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT IS TO BE REMINDED
11:45:24AM THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE
11:45:27AM INCLUSIVE.
11:45:27AM ALSO, THE CITY OWNS ITS OWN PROPERTY AND CONTROL RENT.
11:45:35AM IF WE CONTROL THE PROPERTY, WE CONTROL THE RENT, AND WE CAN
11:45:38AM CONTROL AND BUY THESE OLD ABANDONED CHURCHES THAT ARE ALL
11:45:42AM AROUND THIS TOWN.
11:45:42AM WE CAN THEN PUT DEVELOPMENT AND GET OTHER DEVELOPERS TO HELP
11:45:47AM US WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH HOUSING.
11:45:48AM AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ARE BUSY.
11:45:50AM I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD, BUT I HAVE IN CON SCIENCE, I
11:45:55AM HAD TO SHOW THAT.
11:45:56AM I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.
11:45:58AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WILL GET A VIDEO
11:46:00AM MADE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, BECAUSE --
11:46:02AM [APPLAUSE]
11:46:03AM -- I AM GOING TO GET A VIDEO MADE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING AND
11:46:05AM MAKE SURE THAT IT IS BLASTED ALL OVER THE MEDIA, BECAUSE WE
11:46:09AM HAVE 5500 TOWARD OUR 10,000 GOAL OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING --
11:46:13AM HOUSING AFFORDABLE THAT THE MAYOR SET THAT 10,000 GOAL AND
11:46:17AM WE HAVE BEEN TRACK IT.
11:46:18AM OVER 5500.
11:46:20AM AND AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.
11:46:22AM SO ROME YARD IS ONE THAT WE RESTRICT OUR --
11:46:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE OLD ARMY NAVY.
11:46:29AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I AM SORRY, OLD ARMY NAVY AND 42nd STREET.
11:46:33AM ANY TIME WE OWN THE PROPERTY JUST AS -- JUST AS IT WAS
11:46:37AM STATED THAT YOU CAN CONTROL THE RENT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT
11:46:40AM WE ARE DOING.
11:46:41AM AND NOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU AND
11:46:44AM I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS AS WELL IN LOOKING AT
11:46:47AM MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE CAN TO DO GET AFFORDABLE
11:46:50AM UNITS MIXED IN WITH MARKET RATE UNITS.
11:46:52AM IN OUR AREAS.
11:46:54AM WE HAD, LIKE, SEVERAL CONVERSATION IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
11:46:58AM SOME WITH DEVELOPERS.
11:47:00AM AND SO ALL OF THAT -- NOW I WILL WORK ON GETTING A NEWS CLIP
11:47:03AM OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.
11:47:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT IS THE POINT I DID WANT TO MAKE.
11:47:06AM WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.
11:47:09AM ALL THE PUBLIC --
11:47:11AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THAT IS TRUE.
11:47:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I TALKED TODAY, TELL THE STORY.
11:47:14AM MY THING IS -- I HAVE SAID ABOUT THESE OLD CHURCHES, OLD
11:47:19AM BUILDINGS, SOME OF THESE OLD WAREHOUSE AREAS THAT WE SHOULD
11:47:22AM BE BUYING.
11:47:23AM THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THOSE KIND OF
11:47:26AM ITEMS, LOW-HANGING FRUIT TO GET PEOPLE TO KNOW BECAUSE WE
11:47:30AM CAN CONTROL THE RENT.
11:47:31AM YOU CAN HAVE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE MIXED LEVEL INCOME, BUT
11:47:35AM SOMETIMES THAT INCOME IS NOT THERE TO MEET WHAT NEEDS TO BE
11:47:38AM MET.
11:47:39AM THAT'S WHY I DID THAT.
11:47:41AM NOT TO THROW SHADE AT ANYBODY.
11:47:43AM JUST TO SAY -- LOOK WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING TOO.
11:47:46AM WE MAY BE DOING STUFF, BUT THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING MAKING
11:47:49AM SURE THESE BIG DEVELOPMENT BUILDINGS SITTING VACANT, THAT
11:47:52AM THEY ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN THEM.
11:47:54AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YOU WILL SEE -- WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TELL
11:47:57AM THE STORY.
11:47:58AM I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, WE ARE HEAD DOWN DOING THE WORK AND
11:48:03AM SO MUCH WORK TO DO WE FORGET OF TELLING THE STORY.
11:48:06AM BUT WE ARE TELLING THE STORY.
11:48:08AM WORKED WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM A FEW WEEKS AGO.
11:48:11AM WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNICATION TEAM TO LAY OUT A
11:48:14AM PLAN OF TELLING THE STORY OF ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE
11:48:17AM HAPPENING WHEN ROME YARD'S PERMITS.
11:48:23AM AND GROUNDBREAKING AND REBUILD HOMES.
11:48:27AM I AM SCREWING UP ALL THE NAMES AND TELLING THE STORY AND
11:48:31AM FOCUSED ON IMPLEMENTING PROGRAMS AND GETTING THE WORK AND
11:48:34AM MONEY OUT.
11:48:34AM WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
11:48:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:48:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: THREE THINGS REAL FAST.
11:48:41AM NUMBER ONE, CAN YOU ACCEPTED US YOUR CURRENT TALLY ON THE
11:48:47AM 5500.
11:48:47AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
11:48:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHAT THAT IS AND
11:48:52AM WHAT IS BEING COUNTED AND HOW.
11:48:53AM AND SECOND IS -- SECOND IS THAT WITH THE -- -- WITH
11:49:02AM SOME RFPs IN THE PAST, STAFF BOO SAY, WELL, WE HAD A RFP AND
11:49:08AM ONLY TWO PEOPLE BID.
11:49:09AM YOU AND I TALKED OF THIS PRIVATELY.
11:49:12AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPERS AND NONPROFIT THAT THE
11:49:15AM CITY WAS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SOMEBODY AND THIS HE KIND OF
11:49:17AM DID A DEAL AND A RFP THAT WAS SHORT AND OTHER BIDDERS DIDN'T
11:49:21AM HAVE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPER BID.
11:49:24AM I KNOW YOU WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
11:49:26AM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE NEED MULTIPLE BIDDERS ON
11:49:30AM THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE BEST PROJECT AND TO GET EVERY
11:49:37AM BIDDER A FAIR CHANCE.
11:49:39AM AND THE LAST IMPORTANT THING FOR THE VIDEO IS DEVELOPMENT
11:49:42AM WITHOUT DISPLACEMENT.
11:49:43AM YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS A LOT TO SAY OF EAST TAMPA.
11:49:49AM WE NEED TO NOT LOOKING A IT AT A PLACE FOR DEVELOPMENT BUT A
11:49:53AM PLACE WITH A RICH HISTORY AND CULTURE.
11:49:55AM IF WE WOULD -- IF WE NEED TO TREAT EAST TAMPA THE SAME WAY
11:49:59AM HYDE PARK AND REPORT THE HISTORY OF CULTURE AND ARCHITECTURE
11:50:03AM AND NOT GO THROUGH AND TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN AND REBUILD.
11:50:06AM THANK YOU.
11:50:07AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THE PROGRAM YOU JUST APPROVED REINFORCES
11:50:11AM THAT -- TRY TO THE TO DISPLACE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB.
11:50:15AM WE WILL CONTINUOUSLY LOOK FOR WAYS TO EXPAND AND IMPROVE
11:50:19AM UPON THAT PROGRAM.
11:50:21AM SO THERE IS CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN GENERATIONAL WEALTH IN
11:50:26AM THE COMMUNITY.
11:50:27AM SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
11:50:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MISS TRAVIS.
11:50:32AM MR. ROGERO.
11:50:35AM I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME ANSWERS TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT
11:50:42AM COUNCIL HAS POSED TO YOU.
11:50:44AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MR. CHAIR.
11:50:45AM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
11:50:47AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:50:49AM YES, COUNCIL HAD ASKED US TO CIRCLE BACK AND PROVIDE A
11:50:53AM FUNDING SOURCE FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
11:50:56AM IT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS WEEK.
11:50:57AM WE HAVE DONE THAT.
11:50:59AM CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
11:51:01AM COUNCILMAN GUDES DID AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION, PULLING FROM
11:51:06AM THE ELECTION BUDGET, THE ELECTION OF CALENDAR YEAR 2023.
11:51:09AM WE LOOKED AT THAT.
11:51:09AM WE ANTICIPATE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL WILL
11:51:13AM BE WELL WITHIN OUR MARGIN OF ERROR FOR NEXT WEEK'S ELECTION
11:51:18AM FUNDING AND RECOMMEND FUNDING FOR ELECTION EXPENSE.
11:51:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
11:51:27AM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
11:51:32AM DO WE HAVE A MAKER OF THE MOTION?
11:51:34AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
11:51:35AM A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:51:36AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:51:38AM ALL IN FAVOR.
11:51:39AM ANY OPPOSED.
11:51:41AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:51:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DID YOU WANT TO READ THAT OFF?
11:51:52AM INAUDIBLE]
11:51:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE ELECTION FUNDS.
11:51:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
11:51:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:52:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY THANK YOU TO CFO AND HIS STAFF FOR
11:52:07AM FINDING THE MONEY.
11:52:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME, GO TO A EDGE ITEM 6, FILE
11:52:15AM NUMBERPS 22-78059 WHICH WILL BE HEARD WITH AGENDA ITEM 7.
11:52:23AM THEY WILL BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY; HOWEVER, ONE MORE AGENDA
11:52:27AM ITEM, NUMBER 35 THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED ALL AT THE SAME
11:52:33AM TIME.
11:52:33AM WITHOUT OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL.
11:52:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR, PLEASE PROCEED.
11:53:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS, STAFF MEMBERS
11:53:05AM AND THE PUBLIC MY NAME IS RICH MILLS, THE MAJOR WITH THE
11:53:09AM TAMPA IMPLEMENT SPECIAL SUPPORT DIVISION AND I'M HERE TO
11:53:12AM DISCUSS THE URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVE THAT IS UNDER
11:53:15AM ITEM 6 AND 7.
11:53:16AM WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS -- I HAVE A VISUAL FOR YOU TO LOOK
11:53:21AM AT.
11:53:21AM I AM GOING TO GIVE A SHORT PRESENTATION, GIVE YOU THE
11:53:24AM BACKGROUND OF UASI, THE URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVES.
11:53:30AM AND THEN GO INTO FISCAL YEAR 2022 FUNDING AND ANSWER YOUR
11:53:39AM QUESTIONS.
11:53:39AM SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS SOME CORE CAPABILITIES.
11:53:44AM ON YOUR LEFT.
11:53:45AM AND THEN THE RECIPIENT AGENCIES AND REGION 4, WHICH
11:53:49AM CONSISTENT OF EIGHT DIFFERENT COUNTIES WITHIN REGION 4 AND
11:53:53AM OBVIOUSLY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE TAMPA POLICE
11:53:56AM DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES.
11:53:57AM SO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
11:53:59AM IT WILL KIND OF MAKE SENSE WHILE I AM TALKING AND GIVING YOU
11:54:03AM AN OVERVIEW.
11:54:04AM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY URBAN AREA SECURITY
11:54:07AM GRANT PROGRAM WAS CREATED IN 2002 AFTER THE TERRORIST ATTACK
11:54:12AM EVENTS OF 911.
11:54:14AM TO ENHANCE OUR NATION'S PREPAREDNESS FOR HIGH THREAT, HIGH
11:54:19AM DENSITY URBAN AREAS BY PROVIDING FUNDS TO BUILD AND SUSTAIN
11:54:23AM CAPABILITIES NECESSARY TO PREVENT, PROTECT AGAINST,
11:54:28AM MITIGATE, RESPOND TO AND RECOVER FROM THREATS OR ACTS OF
11:54:32AM TERRORISM.
11:54:32AM EACH YEAR, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY DERIVES A
11:54:38AM RELATIVE RISK SCORE BASED ON THREAT, VULNERABLITY OF THE 100
11:54:45AM MOST POPULOUS METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREAS AS DEFINED BY
11:54:51AM THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.
11:54:53AM CONGRESSIONAL LEGISLATION REQUIRES FUNDING THOSE URBAN AREAS
11:54:57AM THAT FALL WITHIN THE TOP 85 PERCENTILE OF RELATIVE RISK
11:55:03AM SCORE.
11:55:03AM IN 2022, 36 URBAN AREAS WERE AWARDED AND WILL SHARE $615
11:55:11AM MILLION IN TOTALITY.
11:55:13AM THE TAMPA BAY AREA URBAN SECURITY INITIATIVE IS ONE OF THOSE
11:55:17AM AREAS RECEIVING $3.6 MILLION.
11:55:20AM TAMPA BAY IS ONE OF ONLY 19 URBAN AREAS TO RECEIVE
11:55:24AM CONTINUOUS FUNDING SINCE THE PROGRAM'S INCEPTION.
11:55:27AM TO FUND PROJECTS CONNECTED TO TERRORISM OF COUNTIES CITRUS,
11:55:36AM HARDEE, HERNANDO, HILLSBOROUGH, PASCO, PINELLAS, POLK, AND
11:55:42AM SUMTER COUNTIES.
11:55:43AM AND SPECIFIC TO THE WORKING GROUP WITHIN THE URBAN AREA
11:55:47AM SECURITY INITIATIVE WHICH INCLUDES COMMUNICATIONS,
11:55:51AM CYBERSECURITY, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, FIRE RESCUE, HEALTH AND
11:55:55AM MEDICAL, LAW ENFORCEMENT, PORT AUTHORITY SECURITY AND
11:56:01AM TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSIT.
11:56:02AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
11:56:06AM HOUSES THE ADMINISTRATORS THROUGH THE CONTINUE BAY UASI
11:56:11AM GRANT PROGRAM WHICH INCLUDE PROJECTS AND FUNDING FOR ALL
11:56:16AM PARTNER AGENCIES WITHIN THE EIGHT COUNTY URBAN AREA AS WELL
11:56:20AM AS SUBMITTING REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST AND MEETING ALL FEDERAL
11:56:23AM GRANT REQUIREMENTS.
11:56:24AM NOW IT IS VERY IMPERATIVE THAT WE, AS THE ADMINISTRATORS OF
11:56:29AM THIS FEDERAL GRANT, ADHERE TO THE REGULATIONS OF THE FEDERAL
11:56:34AM GOVERNMENT.
11:56:34AM IT IS A FEDERAL GRANT.
11:56:36AM IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS FEDERAL MONEY.
11:56:38AM WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEIR FEDERAL RULES.
11:56:40AM ALL PROJECTS HAVE A DIRECT NEXUS OF PREVENTING, PROTECTING
11:56:45AM AGAINST, MITIGATING, RESPONDING TO AND RECOVERING FROM
11:56:48AM THREATS OR ACTS OF TERRORISM.
11:56:50AM ALL AGENCIES MUST TAKE PART IN THE MANDATORY STAKEHOLDER
11:56:56AM PREPAREDNESS REVIEW AND HAZARDOUS AND RISK ASSESSMENT KNOWN
11:57:01AM AS TRA.
11:57:04AM AND PROJECTS MUST ALSO MEET ONE OF THE PRIORITIES SET BY THE
11:57:08AM URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVE BOARD, AND THEY USUALLY
11:57:12AM CHANGE ON A YEARLY BASIS.
11:57:13AM SOME STAY THE SAME.
11:57:16AM SOME CHANGE PACED ON THE CURRENT THREATS THROUGHOUT THE
11:57:19AM WORLD.
11:57:20AM THIS FOR 2022 -- FISCAL YEAR 2022, THOSE THREATS INCLUDED --
11:57:25AM PRIORITIES INCLUDED ENHANCING PROTECTION OF SOFT TARGETS,
11:57:29AM CROWDED PLACES.
11:57:30AM ENHANCING INFORMATION AND INTELLIGENCE SHARING AND ANALYSIS.
11:57:36AM COMBATING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EXTREMISM.
11:57:39AM ENHANCING CYBERSECURITY.
11:57:41AM ENHANCING COMMUNITY PREPAREDNESS.
11:57:44AM AND RESILIENCE TO TERRORISM.
11:57:45AM AND ENHANCING ELECTION SECURITY.
11:57:48AM SO TO GO INTO FISCAL YEAR '22 SPECIFICALLY, THE TAMPA
11:57:55AM BAY UASI CONTINUES TO FUND A SUBSCRIPTION-BASED SERVICE FOR
11:58:01AM ALERTING FOR HIGH-RISK EVENTS, KEYWORD CREDENTIAL MODELING,
11:58:07AM ANALYSIS SERVICES, COMPROMIZATION.
11:58:11AM AND DIGITAL AND REPORTING FOR OUR URBAN AREA.
11:58:16AM URBAN AREA PARTNER WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE.
11:58:19AM TAMPA BAY UASI WILL DEPLOY AN ON-PREMISE TOUCHPOINT,
11:58:26AM HARDWARE AND SORT WARE THAT WILL NETWORK TRAFFIC INDICATORS
11:58:31AM TO THE TAMPA BAY INTELLIGENCE CENTER.
11:58:34AM THESE PROJECTS WILL BUILD CAPABILITIES WITHIN THE CYBER
11:58:37AM SECURITY CORE CAPABILITY.
11:58:39AM OTHER PROJECTS INCLUDE CLOSING A GAP AND MUTUAL AID
11:58:43AM COMMUNICATION WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND A MOBILE
11:58:47AM SATELLITE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM FOR HERNANDO COUNTY.
11:58:50AM A BOMB ROBOT FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHICH
11:58:53AM RESPONDS TO ALL BOMB CALLS FOR UNINCORPORATED AREAS WITHIN
11:58:56AM OUR EIGHT-COUNTY URBAN AREA AND A BOMB SUIT FOR THE TAMPA
11:59:01AM BAY -- FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BOMB SQUAD THAT
11:59:05AM SERVES ALL MUNICIPALITY BOMB NEEDS WITHIN OUR EIGHT-COUNTY
11:59:10AM REGION, AS WELL AS THE MASS CASUALTY TRAILER FOR TAMPA FIRE
11:59:13AM RESCUE TO PROVIDE THE MEANS TO EFFECTIVELY TRIAGE AND
11:59:18AM STABILIZE PATIENTS IN THE EVENT OF A TERRORIST ATTACK.
11:59:22AM AS YOU HEARD BEFORE, THIS IS A FEDERAL GRANT.
11:59:25AM WE DO HAVE DEADLINES.
11:59:27AM THIS WAS AWARDED IN FISCAL 2022.
11:59:30AM IF WE DON'T HAVE -- IF WE DON'T UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS, AGAIN,
11:59:34AM WE LOSE THOSE FUNDS.
11:59:36AM IT NOT ONLY EFFECTS THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT EFFECTS
11:59:41AM SEVERAL DIFFERENT RECIPIENT AGENCIES WITHIN THE EIGHT-COUNTY
11:59:45AM REGION WHICH IS IN FRONT OF YOU NOW WITH THOSE RECIPIENT
11:59:48AM AGENCIES
11:59:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:59:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
11:59:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR
11:59:56AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE PS 22-78059 BY COUNCILMAN
12:00:02PM MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:00:06PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:00:08PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:00:09PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
12:00:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE NUMBER 7.
12:00:15PM >> SECOND.
12:00:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7
12:00:20PM TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR FILE NUMBER PS 22-78099 BY
12:00:29PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:00:35PM OR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:00:37PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:00:38PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
12:00:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:00:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS SEPARATE.

12:00:53PM WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 35, PLEASE?
12:00:57PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:00:57PM I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED A MEMORANDUM ON ITEM NUMBER 35.
12:01:01PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I WILL ANSWER THOSE FOR
12:01:03PM YOU.
12:01:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:01:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
12:01:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET ME ASK THIS.
12:01:10PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- COUNCILMAN VIERA IS NOT HERE, AND THAT
12:01:17PM IS HIS PUBLIC SAFETY.
12:01:19PM IF HE IS NOT BACK, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU PREFER TO
12:01:23PM MOVE THIS ALL AT ONCE FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY?
12:01:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.
12:01:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:01:36PM I AM SEEING THAT IT'S 12:00.
12:01:44PM NOW, WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
12:01:47PM [SOUNDING GAVEL]
12:01:50PM [MEETING IN RECESS]
12:01:58PM
1:31:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
1:32:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
1:32:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
1:32:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
1:32:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM HERE AS WELL.
1:32:13PM WE HAVE LEFT OFF AND NOW WE ARE HEARING AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER

1:32:19PM 8, 9 AND 10 TOGETHER.
1:32:28PM HOWEVER, AN IMPORTANT PERSON WHO I WAS HOPING WAS GOING TO
1:32:31PM BE HERE IS NOT.
1:32:35PM DO WE HAVE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE ONLINE?
1:32:38PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND DEFERRING THOSE
1:32:53PM ITEMS.
1:32:53PM I THINK CHIEF TRIPP HAD A CONFLICT AT LUNCH.
1:32:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN LET'S GO WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11,
1:32:59PM TO BE HEARD WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.
1:33:03PM WE WILL BE HEARING THEM TOGETHER BUT VOTING ON THEM
1:33:07PM SEPARATELY.
1:33:08PM >> MICHAEL SCHMID, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
1:33:20PM WE ARE HERE ON ITEMS NUMBER 11 AND 12.
1:33:23PM AND IF WE -- WE SUBMITTED A PowerPoint, IF WE COULD GET
1:33:26PM THE PowerPoint UP.
1:33:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, PLEASE PROCEED.
1:33:41PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: THERE WAS A PowerPoint PRESENTED WITH
1:33:43PM THIS.
1:33:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I.T., COULD WE HAVE IT ON THE DAIS, PLEASE?
1:33:49PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: WE ARE HERE BECAUSE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO I
1:33:52PM BROUGHT FORWARD AN AGENDA ITEM TO AMEND 23.5.
1:33:56PM THAT IS DEALING WITH CIVIL CITATIONS, AND WE WANTED TO
1:34:00PM DESIGNATE SKATEBOARDING AS A LESSER OFFENSE, MAKING IT A $75
1:34:06PM LOWEST CATEGORY PUNISHMENT OFFENSE, SO IF THERE WERE EVER
1:34:11PM ANY VIOLATIONS OF SKATEBOARDING THAT IT WOULD BE AS A CIVIL

1:34:15PM CITATION.
1:34:17PM WHEN I BROUGHT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL HAD A
1:34:21PM MOTION THAT WE COME BACK TO ALSO LOOK AT 25.172.
1:34:27PM IT HAS NOT BEEN REVISED SINCE 1995.
1:34:30PM SO CITY COUNCIL ASKED THAT WE COME BACK, LOOK AT IT.
1:34:33PM WE HAVE MET WITH MOBILITY, BRANDON CAMPBELL WITH MOBILITY IS
1:34:36PM HERE TODAY, ALSO.
1:34:38PM SO WE CAN WORK IN -- WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH MOBILITY FOR
1:34:41PM THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS TO REVIEW WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE
1:34:44PM DOING AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE.
1:34:48PM SO BASED ON THAT, I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS REALLY FAST.
1:34:54PM SO RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOING TO BE DESIGNATE A CIVIL
1:34:59PM CITATION, WE ADDED A DEFINITION FOR SKATE BOARDS,
1:35:01PM SKATEBOARDING AND TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
1:35:03PM WE REMOVED A PROHIBITION FROM DOWNTOWN AND YBOR EXCEPT FOR
1:35:07PM 7th AVENUE.
1:35:08PM WE CONSIDER REMOVING OF ROLLER SKATES AND IN-LINE SKATES AND
1:35:12PM REMOVED ANY AUTHORIZES PREEMPTED BY STATE LAWS.
1:35:17PM THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A MOTION THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD.
1:35:20PM AND PRESENTLY, 25-172, SKATEBOARD COASTERS AND OTHER SIMILAR
1:35:25PM DEVICES ARE PROHIBITED TO OPERATOR RIDE ON ANY STREET,
1:35:29PM ROADWAY, SIDEWALK IN DOWNTOWN.
1:35:34PM ANY SIDEWALK IN YBOR, AND PUBLIC GRANTS AND PRIVATE PUBLIC
1:35:40PM UNLESS PERMISSION IS GRANTED.
1:35:46PM AND THEN THERE IS PRESENTLY ALSO ROLLER SKATES AND IN-LINE

1:35:51PM SKATES, THOSE ARE PROHIBITED TO RIDE ON, LIKEWISE, STREETS,
1:35:56PM ROADWAYS, SIDEWALKS, AND THEN AREAS BETWEEN 6th, 7th
1:36:00PM AND 8th, PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PUBLIC PROPERTY.
1:36:05PM AND 25.5 ESTABLISHES FINE AMOUNTS FROM CLASSES 1 TO HAD.
1:36:10PM WE ARE ASKING THIS TO BE A CLASS 1, THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF
1:36:14PM $75.
1:36:16PM PRESENTLY, I HADN'T HEARD IT SAID SO IN THE PAST, IS
1:36:22PM PUNISHMENT AS TO APPEAR IN COUNTY COURT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE
1:36:25PM ARE NOW TRYING TO MAKE IT GO INSTEAD OF GOING TO COUNTY
1:36:29PM CRIMINAL COURT.
1:36:30PM THIS WOULD JUST A CIVIL CITATION SO-SO HERE IS 23.5 SCHEDULE
1:36:36PM 1, AS YOU SEE, THE UNDERLYING SECTION IN THE RIGHT COLUMN,
1:36:40PM 25-172 IS ADDED.
1:36:43PM SO CHAPTER 316 IS OUR UNIFORM TRAFFIC LAWS, NOT IN AN
1:36:48PM ORDINANCE, OR A MATTER COVERED BY 316, EXPRESSLY COVERED
1:36:52PM UNLESS IT'S AUTHORIZED.
1:36:55PM 316.0085, COVERS GOVERNMENTAL LIABILITY, SPECIFICALLY TO
1:37:00PM UNDERSTAND SKATE PARKS WERE ADDED TO ENCOURAGE CITIES TO
1:37:05PM ALLOW SKATERS IN-LINE SKATERS, EVEN BIKES, TO HAVE A PLACE
1:37:12PM TO GO, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES A LOT OF CITIES PROHIBIT THEM FROM
1:37:16PM SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ARE MEANT
1:37:20PM FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND A LOT OF CITIES HAVE DETERMINED NOT TO
1:37:23PM ALLOW SKATES, SKATE BOARDS, ON SIDEWALKS.
1:37:27PM THE LEGISLATURE MADE IT SO THAT TO ENCOURAGE A PLACE FOR
1:37:30PM SKATERS TO BE, FOR CITIES TO HAVE A PLACE FOR SKATERS

1:37:35PM DESIGNATED IN THE CITY WOULD NOT BE LIABLE FOR INJURIES THAT
1:37:39PM HAPPENED AT SKATE PARKS, BASICALLY.
1:37:42PM SO THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS THREE SUCH PARKS.
1:37:46PM THERE IS ALSO PRIVATE SKATEBOARD PARKS FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO
1:37:49PM WANT TO SKATE.
1:37:51PM WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES.
1:37:52PM WE LOOKED AT ORLANDO, MIAMI, EVERY SURROUNDING CITY, WE
1:37:57PM LOOKED AT AT LEAST TEN CITIES.
1:37:59PM IN THE END WE FOUND ORLANDO HAD A DEFINITION SKATEBOARD,
1:38:03PM SKATEBOARDING AND TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
1:38:05PM WE HEARD CITY COUNCIL JUST SAY THAT THEY WANTED US TO
1:38:09PM CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT BY US, STAFF, TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR
1:38:15PM NOT SKATE BOARDS COULD BE USED ON SIDEWALKS FOR
1:38:18PM TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES SO THEY COULD BE ALLOWED EVEN
1:38:20PM DOWNTOWN TO GO TO WORK.
1:38:22PM SO ORLANDO RECENTLY HAD AMENDED THEIRS.
1:38:27PM AFTER LOOKING AT ALL THE CITIES WE LOOKED AT, IT LOOKED LIKE
1:38:30PM ORLANDO COVERED WHAT CITY COUNCIL WAS ASKING US TO CONSIDER.
1:38:36PM SO THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS SKATEBOARD,
1:38:40PM AND IT'S DEFINED THERE, SKATEBOARDING, AND THEN AS I SAID,
1:38:45PM TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
1:38:48PM SO IF IT WOULD BASICALLY ALLOW SOMEBODY TO TAKE THEIR
1:38:54PM SKATEBOARD DOWNTOWN WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY PROHIBITED, WOULD
1:38:58PM ALLOW TO BE ON SIDEWALKS FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES, OR IF
1:39:01PM YOU ARE GOING TO WORK YOU COULD SKATEBOARD.

1:39:02PM IF YOU ARE GOING JUST FROM POINT A TO POINT B YOU COULD
1:39:06PM SKATEBOARD DOWNTOWN ON THE SIDEWALK.
1:39:08PM BUT IT CAN ONLY BE DONE IF YOU ARE DOING IT FOR
1:39:11PM TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
1:39:11PM SO IF SOMEBODY IS DECIDING TO DO TRICKS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY,
1:39:19PM GRINDING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY OR WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT WOULD
1:39:22PM NOT BE ALLOWED.
1:39:24PM THAT WOULDN'T FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF A TRANSPORTATION
1:39:26PM PURPOSE.
1:39:34PM SO THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE, SKATEBOARDING WOULD BE
1:39:36PM PROHIBITED ON ALL PUBLIC PROPERTY OWNED OR CONTROLLED BY THE
1:39:41PM CITY AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES EXCEPT FOR
1:39:43PM TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES, IF A PERSON IS SKATEBOARDING, YIELD
1:39:47PM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO PEDESTRIANS, GIVES AN AUDIBLE SIGNAL
1:39:50PM BEFORE OVERTAKING AND PASSING A PEDESTRIAN OR AS
1:39:53PM SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED BY APPROPRIATE GOVERNMENTAL
1:39:56PM ENTITIES.
1:39:56PM NOT WITHSTANDING SKATEBOARDING WOULD BE PROHIBITED SKILL ON
1:40:00PM 7th AVENUE, AND ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE CITY, AND
1:40:05PM ALSO PROPERTY CONTROLLED BY THE CITY.
1:40:12PM I WILL STOP THERE.
1:40:15PM ALL RIGHT.
1:40:16PM AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A HELMET FOR THOSE UNDER 16.
1:40:19PM THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW UNDER CHAPTER 316.
1:40:22PM THAT LANGUAGE ACTUALLY CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF CHAPTER 316

1:40:26PM TALKING ABOUT WHEN BIKES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE HELMETS.
1:40:32PM AGAIN IT WOULD MAKE IT A CLASS 1 VIOLATION.
1:40:34PM SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
1:40:38PM IT'S TO ALLOW DIFFERENT FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, SIDEWALKS,
1:40:42PM TO MODERNIZE THE ORDINANCE, PARTS OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE
1:40:46PM STATE THAT YOU CAN SKATE ON THE STREETS BETWEEN CERTAIN
1:40:50PM HOURS.
1:40:50PM WE WOULD NEED TO REMOVE THAT AS A PREEMPTION OF STATE
1:40:56PM STATUTES THAT SKATES CANNOT BE ON STREETS SO THAT HAS TO BE
1:40:59PM REMOVED ANYWAYS.
1:41:01PM WE NEED TO PROMOTE TRANSPORTATION, DAMAGE TO PROPERTY, ALLOW
1:41:05PM PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LIMITATIONS FOR SKATING, AND WE STILL
1:41:08PM WANT TO PROHIBIT ON 7th AVENUE, BECAUSE THERE IS STILL A
1:41:12PM HIGH PEDESTRIAN AREA THERE, AND THERE'S STILL MANY AVENUES
1:41:17PM TO GET AROUND WITHOUT BEING ON 7th.
1:41:21PM SO THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
1:41:24PM WE ARE PREPARED TO BRING BACK FOR FIRST READ AN ORDINANCE IF
1:41:29PM CITY COUNCIL AGREES WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE WOULD
1:41:32PM BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE CHANGING IT FROM THE CLASS 1 THAT WE
1:41:36PM PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND ALSO ALL THESE CHANGES TO 25-172.
1:41:42PM AND I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
1:41:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:41:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE YOU REALLY
1:41:49PM FOCUSING ON LETTING SKATEBOARDING BE A METHOD OF
1:41:52PM TRANSPORTATION, AND THAT WE ARE TAKING ROLLER BLADING AND

1:41:57PM ROLLER SKATES OUT, WHICH IS REALLY FUNNY.
1:42:00PM I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAD TO
1:42:03PM HAVE THAT ORDINANCE.
1:42:04PM BUT PEOPLE STILL USE IT FOR TRANSIT AS WELL.
1:42:07PM MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE $75 FINE.
1:42:12PM I STILL THINK THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR KIDS.
1:42:16PM SO THAT'S AN AREA THAT I WOULD LIKE COMMENT, BUT I
1:42:22PM APPRECIATE YOUR WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SKATEBOARDING
1:42:25PM MORE OF A TRANSPORTATION ISSUE WHILE KEEPING IT AWAY FROM
1:42:28PM PLACES THAT WE BELIEVE IT'S NOT SAFE TO BE.
1:42:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:42:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANKS FOR REVIEWING THIS.
1:42:37PM AS I SAID WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP, I DON'T THINK WE --
1:42:47PM CITRO SAID HE COULD BETTER THAN ANY OF US BUT I HAVE FRIENDS
1:42:51PM WHO ARE SKATEBOARDERS, AND I THINK COUNTY HURT OUR CITY'S
1:42:55PM REPUTATION FOR HANDING OUT LOTS OF TICKETS TO SKATEBOARDERS.
1:42:58PM IT SEEMS TO ME THAT INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT WHETHER THEY ARE
1:43:01PM USING IT FOR TRANSPORTATION OR NOT, WHICH WOULD BE HARD FOR
1:43:03PM A KID TO UNDERSTAND, I AM TRYING TO THINK OF MY 13-YEAR-OLD
1:43:06PM OR 12-YEAR-OLD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S TRANSPORTATION
1:43:09PM VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE.
1:43:10PM IT SEEMS LIKE IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF FINE THAT IT WOULD
1:43:14PM BE AROUND DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY OR INTIMIDATION OF OTHER
1:43:17PM PEOPLE, LIKE IF YOU ARE RIDING FAST AND YOU RUN INTO
1:43:22PM SOMEBODY WHO IS DISABLED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT

1:43:26PM WOULD BE MORE WHAT THE FINE WOULD BE INSTEAD OF JUST -- IF
1:43:29PM SOMEONE IS RIDING ALONG AND THEN THEY SPIN AROUND IN THE
1:43:32PM OTHER DIRECTION, DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE NOT USING AT AS
1:43:35PM TRANSPORTATION METHOD ANYMORE, IF THEY CHANGE DIRECTION?
1:43:38PM WHEN YOU LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES, DID OTHER CITIES JUST LOOK
1:43:41PM AT IT FROM THE DAMAGE, OR INTIMIDATION STANDPOINT INSTEAD OF
1:43:44PM HOW THEY ARE RIDING IT?
1:43:46PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED THAT THEY FOLLOW
1:43:50PM THE RULES OF PEDESTRIANS WHEN THEY ARE ON THE SIDEWALKS.
1:43:53PM SO AS LONG AS THEY ARE ON THE SIDEWALKS, THEY SHOULDN'T BE
1:43:56PM KNOCKING PEOPLE DOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
1:43:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT LIKE IF THEY ARE RIDING, IF
1:44:00PM THERE ARE GUARDS ON THE SIDE OF BENCHES AND THINGS, IS THERE
1:44:05PM A SPECIFIC FINE FOR THAT THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS?
1:44:08PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: THAT'S WHY WE ARE DEFINING WHAT
1:44:12PM TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE, BECAUSE AS LONG AS YOU ARE
1:44:16PM OPERATING FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRANSPORTATION AND NOT IN
1:44:20PM DEFINED LEAVING THE GROUND TO DO TRICKS AND THINGS LIKE
1:44:23PM THAT.
1:44:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE DOWN
1:44:26PM SIDE OF TAKING THIS OUT ALTOGETHER, NOT HAVING ANY FINES?
1:44:29PM IT SEEMS LIKE THE PEDESTRIAN THING IS COVERED.
1:44:32PM WE CAN'T INTIMIDATE PEDESTRIANS, IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN
1:44:36PM PROHIBIT TODAY HE INSTRUCTION OF PROPERTY, THEN WHY CAN'T
1:44:38PM THEY SPIN AROUND AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO ON THE

1:44:41PM SIDEWALK OR CURTIS HIXON PARK OR WHATEVER?
1:44:45PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: CERTAINLY SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
1:44:47PM WE ARE HERE TO CONSIDER ANYTHING, BUT WE FOUND IT TO BE A
1:44:50PM LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO SIT THERE AND DESCRIBE A LAUNDRY LIST
1:44:54PM OF THINGS YOU CAN'T DO RATHER THAN JUST KEY FINE WHAT YOU
1:44:58PM CAN DO, WHICH IS FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
1:45:00PM AND IT WAS DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH A LAUNDRY LIST OF ALL
1:45:05PM THE THINGS THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T DO, THAT IS MORE -- WE HAVE
1:45:09PM LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES.
1:45:10PM A LOT OF OTHER CITIES FLAT-OUT DON'T ALLOW SKATEBOARDING IN
1:45:13PM CERTAIN AREAS IN DOWNTOWNS, AREAS WHERE THERE'S PEDESTRIANS,
1:45:19PM FOR THE CONCERNS OF KNOCKING SOMEBODY OVER, THINGS LIKE
1:45:22PM THAT.
1:45:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THIS LAST
1:45:25PM TIME, BUT I'M PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE TO THIS ISSUE OVER THE
1:45:28PM WHOLE FIGHT OF THE BRO BOWL AND THAT CAUSED TREMENDOUS
1:45:33PM ANXIOUS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND BROUGHT US A LOT OF PAD
1:45:35PM PUBLICITY SO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO ANYTHING TO DO
1:45:39PM THAT AGAIN.
1:45:40PM BUT I WOULD RATHER REDUCE AND TAKE AWAY THE FINES EXCEPT IN
1:45:43PM THE CASE OF PROPERTY DAMAGE OR INTIMIDATION OR HURTING
1:45:45PM SOMEONE.
1:45:46PM BUT I WILL YIELD TO THE SKATEBOARDER.
1:45:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:45:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF

1:45:54PM THIS.
1:45:56PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS BE IT KIDS OR
1:45:59PM NOT.
1:46:02PM SKATEBOARDING ON SIDEWALKS, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE
1:46:06PM TRAVELING, WALKING, PEDESTRIANS.
1:46:08PM SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT COURTEOUS.
1:46:12PM SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT COURTEOUS.
1:46:14PM MOST OF YOUR AVERAGE SKATEBOARDERS ARE BETWEEN TEENAGE KIDS,
1:46:18PM PROBABLY BETWEEN 15, I WOULD SAY MAYBE 18, AND BETWEEN THE
1:46:24PM AIRLINES OF 17 AND 24.
1:46:27PM THOSE ARE YOUR REAL SKATEBOARDERS.
1:46:32PM GOT TOO LONG, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT CAUSING DESTRUCTION OF
1:46:38PM PLOT, THAT'S CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
1:46:40PM THAT'S A DIFFERENT ELEMENT VERSUS SOMEONE, AND THERE'S AN
1:46:45PM INTENTIONAL ACT.
1:46:47PM IT'S NO DIFFERENT IF YOU HAVE A PARKING VIOLATION, YOU PARK
1:46:49PM YOUR CAR, YOU PARK YOUR CAR, PARKING VIOLATION IS PROBABLY
1:46:53PM ABOUT 20, 25 BUCKS.
1:46:55PM YOU KNOW, I CAN GO REDUCING THE SKATEBOARDING FINE DOWN BUT
1:46:59PM NOT TO HAVE ANY FINE DOWN, BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE FIRST
1:47:02PM OCCURRENCE, POLICE OFFICER CAN PUT THE PERSON'S NAME IN A
1:47:07PM DATABASE, AND MAYBE WORN ONES OR TWICE, AND THE THIRD TIME
1:47:11PM YOU GET A CITATION FOR 10 OR 15 BUCKS.
1:47:14PM BUT YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE CAUSE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
1:47:21PM TO ME, I DON'T USE SKATEBOARDING AS A MEANS OF

1:47:28PM TRANSPORTATION.
1:47:28PM I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINION, BUT I DON'T.
1:47:31PM TO ME SKATEBOARDING IS A FUN ACTIVITY.
1:47:34PM YOU CAN GET AROUND, BUT MOST KIDS I SEE, MOST TEENAGER KIDS,
1:47:43PM FRIENDS GOING AROUND, IT'S GOING TO BE A WAY OF GETTING
1:47:45PM AROUND, AND NEED TO FIND TRANSPORTATION.
1:47:48PM I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
1:47:49PM BUT I SEE A LOT OF KIDS AT TIMES, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, YOU
1:47:52PM KNOW, SOMETIMES JUST BEING A JERK, SKATEBOARDERS ON THE
1:47:58PM SIDEWALKS, AND IT'S LIKE THINGS HAPPEN.
1:48:02PM BUT I DON'T MEAN TO PUT ANYBODY IN JAIL OR GOING TO COURT
1:48:06PM FOR A FIRST EXPERIENCE PERSONS APPEARANCE BUT I DO BELIEVE
1:48:10PM THERE SHOULD BE A SMALL 10 OR $15 THING, BUT AGAIN LOOKING
1:48:14PM AT OCCURRENCES FOR SECOND TIME, AND HIT THEM WITH SOMETHING.
1:48:20PM BUT TO NOT GUFF ANYTHING, I COULDN'T GO ALONG WITH THAT.
1:48:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:48:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION FOR THE
1:48:29PM COUNSELOR.
1:48:30PM AND I REALIZE -- AND I KNOW THAT THE RIVERWALK A LOT OF
1:48:37PM PEOPLE USE IT FOR MANY THINGS.
1:48:38PM WHAT ABOUT SKATEBOARDING THERE?
1:48:40PM IS THAT ALLOWED OR NOT?
1:48:42PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: WELL, I THINK AS PROPOSED IT WOULD BE
1:48:48PM ALLOWED, FOR THE SAME PURPOSES, FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES,
1:48:51PM BUT --

1:48:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY MUST ALL BE LATE FOR WORK.
1:48:58PM [ LAUGHTER ]
1:49:00PM I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
1:49:02PM AND WHAT HAPPENED IS SOMEBODY, NOT TODAY, HOPE NEVER,
1:49:05PM SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HIT SOMEBODY IN THE BACK, THEY ARE
1:49:07PM GOING TO FALL, AND THAT RIVERWALK IS NOT MADE OUT OF CLAY OR
1:49:10PM RUBBER.
1:49:12PM IT'S HARDENED MATERIAL.
1:49:13PM AND WHEN YOUR HEAD HITS THERE, YOU DON'T HAVE A HELMET LIKE
1:49:17PM A BUCCANEER DOES.
1:49:20PM YOU WOULD HAVE A PERMANENT CONCUSSION.
1:49:22PM >> BRANDON CAMPBELL, SMART MOBILITY MANAGER.
1:49:26PM I WOULD ADD THAT WHENEVER THE RIVERWALK WAS FUNDED PART OF
1:49:29PM THAT GRANT APPLICATION, I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT AS A
1:49:34PM MULTI-USE PATH, OTHER DEVICES WALKING WITH --
1:49:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT AT ALL.
1:49:45PM SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PERSON GETTING
1:49:47PM HURT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ME.
1:49:49PM THAT'S ALL.
1:49:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
1:49:54PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:49:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO MAYBE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THIS,
1:49:59PM WHAT IF WE EXTRAORDINARY IT FIRST TIME A WARNING, SECOND
1:50:02PM TIME $10, THIRD TIME $25 AND MAX IT AT $25?
1:50:09PM NO?

1:50:12PM I MEAN, IT'S NOT A ZERO, AND IT'S NOT SOME CRAZY AMOUNT.
1:50:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
1:50:19PM NOT TO GET OFF SUBJECT, I AM OF THE OPINION THAT ALL NON-ADA
1:50:25PM COMPLIANT MOTORIZED VEHICLES SHOULD NOT BE ON SIDEWALKS.
1:50:33PM ANYTHING THAT HAS A MOTOR SHOULD NOT BE ON SIDEWALKS.
1:50:36PM WE HAVE ELECTRIC BIKES NOW THAT ARE CABLE OF DOING 30 MILES
1:50:40PM AN HOUR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
1:50:44PM THEY ARE ON SIDEWALKS.
1:50:45PM WE HAVE SCOOTERS ON SIDEWALKS.
1:50:47PM WE HAVE THOSE ONE-WHEEL CONTRAPTIONS THAT ARE ON SIDEWALKS.
1:50:55PM TAMPA DOES NOTE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET THOSE NON-ADA
1:50:59PM MOTORIZED VEHICLES OFF THE SIDEWALKS AND ONTO A DIFFERENT
1:51:03PM DESIGNATED PATH.
1:51:06PM HAVING SAID THAT, AS A FORMER THRASHER, AND I STILL WOULD BE
1:51:11PM IF I DIDN'T DO A SCORPION THAT ALMOST BROKE MY BIKE -- WHERE
1:51:16PM YOU BEND OVER BACKWARDS AND YOUR FEET TOUCH THE BACK OF YOUR
1:51:19PM HEAD.
1:51:21PM SKATEBOARDING IS NOT ILLEGAL.
1:51:26PM ACTS OF VANDALISM ARE.
1:51:28PM ACTS OF PROPERTY DAMAGE ARE.
1:51:32PM ACTS OF PERSONAL INJURY -- EXCUSE ME, INJURY TO ANOTHER,
1:51:38PM ARE.
1:51:42PM I SEE MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE USING SKATE BOARDS TO GET TO AND
1:51:46PM FROM WORK.
1:51:47PM I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING PIKES ON THE SIDES OF BUILDINGS

1:51:52PM OUT HERE.
1:51:52PM THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
1:51:54PM I PERSONALLY CANNOT SUPPORT ANY TYPE OF FINE TO A
1:51:58PM SKATEBOARDER WHO IS USING A SKATEBOARD AS TRANSPORTATION.
1:52:03PM SOMEBODY WHO DOES PIKES ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING AND
1:52:06PM DAMAGING A BUILDING OR RUN INTO A CAR, SURE, FINE THEM FOR
1:52:09PM THAT.
1:52:10PM BUT SKATEBOARDING SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL.
1:52:12PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
1:52:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY FEELING IS I BELIEVE YOU HAVE GOT TO
1:52:19PM HAVE SOMETHING TO ENHANCE THE ABILITY OF THEM THINKING NOT
1:52:26PM TO DO IT AGAIN.
1:52:28PM AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE JUST A CONTINUOUS, DON'T DO IT
1:52:31PM AGAIN, WHETHER A CHARLIE OR MARY OR WHATEVER, BUT WE HAVE
1:52:38PM GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE SECOND AND THIRD TIME AND IT
1:52:40PM CAN'T BE CONSTANT.
1:52:43PM $25 IS LIKE $1.50 WHEN I WAS A KID.
1:52:48PM THAT'S A MILKSHAKE.
1:52:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY, ARE YOU FINISHED?
1:52:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.
1:52:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:52:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
1:52:56PM THAT'S WHY I THINK CRIMINAL MISCHIEF COMES INTO PLAY SO I AM
1:53:00PM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANY TAPE OF FEIGNS.
1:53:02PM I SAID THAT BEFORE.

1:53:03PM I WILL JUST SAY IT AGAIN.
1:53:04PM I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE REDEFINING OF SKATEBOARDING AND
1:53:10PM ALLOWING IT ON SIDEWALKS.
1:53:11PM I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
1:53:12PM AND I SEE A LOT OF SKATEBOARDERS ON THE BUS, AND SO PEOPLE
1:53:17PM USE IT FOR THAT LAST MILE TRANSIT.
1:53:20PM SO I DO SEE IT USED.
1:53:24PM I SEE AT LEAST ONE SKATEBOARDER ON THE BUS WHEN I'M ON
1:53:28PM THERE.
1:53:30PM SO I REALLY CANNOT SUPPORT ANY TYPE OF FINE.
1:53:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT?
1:53:40PM >> MAYBE ONE THING WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR COUNCIL TO KNOW.
1:53:44PM I PULLED OUR STATS FOR MOTOR SCOOTERS.
1:53:46PM THOSE GOT PASSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AS NOW TO BE ALLOWED TO
1:53:49PM BE USED ON THE SIDEWALKS.
1:53:52PM THERE IS CURRENTLY A CIVIL CITATION PUNISHABLE BY A $75
1:53:56PM FINE.
1:53:56PM I PULLED THE STATS THERE.
1:53:58PM HAS BEEN ONE CITATION ISSUED IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, SO
1:54:02PM OFFICERS, AND THEN I PULLED SKATEBOARDING SKATES, IN TEN
1:54:05PM YEARS OF SKATEBOARDING, THE LAST TEN YEARS, EIGHT OFFENSE
1:54:10PM REPORTS WERE OPENED OF WHICH VERY FEW ACTUALLY RESULTED IN
1:54:13PM ANYTHING.
1:54:14PM SO PREDOMINANTLY WHAT YOU SEE IS OFFICERS HAVE DISCRETION IN
1:54:19PM ISSUE WARRANTS.

1:54:23PM OFFICERS ARE NOT OUT THERE WORKING TO WRITE CITATIONS FOR
1:54:26PM SKATEBOARDING OR SKATEBOARDERS.
1:54:30PM THEY ARE ISSUING WARNINGS.
1:54:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:54:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT GENERALLY SCOOTER RIDERS LEGALLY HAVE TO
1:54:37PM BE 18.
1:54:38PM THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE 18 TO RIDE ONE OF THOSE MOTORIZED
1:54:42PM SCOOTERS, IF I AM REMEMBERING THINGS CORRECTLY.
1:54:46PM AND AGAIN, I REALLY FEEL THAT CRIMINAL MISCHIEF IF THERE'S
1:54:51PM SOMETHING GOING ON AN OFFICER CAN STILL GIVING A WARNING
1:54:54PM UNDER CRIMINAL MISCHIEF AND STILL GIVE A FINE BASED ON
1:54:57PM CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
1:54:58PM I THINK WE ARE JUST ADDING SOMETHING WHO WHERE IT DOESN'T
1:55:02PM NEED TO BE ADDED.
1:55:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:55:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: THREE THINGS REAL FAST.
1:55:08PM NUMBER ONE, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW IF THESE HAVEN'T BEEN USED
1:55:14PM VERY MUCH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THESE KINDS OF POLICIES ARE NOT
1:55:19PM ABUSED BY THE OFFICERS' DISCRETION BUT IF SOMEBODY ABOVE
1:55:24PM THEM SETS A POLICY LIKE WHILE BIKING WHILE BLACK, IT'S A
1:55:28PM POLICY FROM ABOVE THAT BASED ON NEWS COVERAGE IN SENT
1:55:33PM ADVISED OFFICERS, COMPENSATED THEM FOR WRITING MORE TICKETS.
1:55:37PM SO IF WE GOT A MAYOR IN THE FUTURE WHO DIDN'T LIKE
1:55:39PM SKATEBOARDING AND WANTED SKATEBOARDERS OFF THE STREET, IT
1:55:42PM SEEMS LIKE THEY COULD ABUSE IT BY GIVING INSTRUCTIONS TO THE

1:55:44PM POLICE TO GIVE INCENTIVES TO WRITE TICKETS.
1:55:48PM THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.
1:55:51PM I THINK BEING FAIR YOUR ORIGINAL IDEA IN COMING TO US WAS TO
1:55:54PM REDUCE THE FINE.
1:55:56PM AND UNLESS I AM WRONG, TO HAVE NO FINE, WE WOULD HAVE TO
1:55:59PM UNDO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE?
1:56:02PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: AS THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY STANDS IT'S A
1:56:09PM NOTICE TO APPEAR IN COUNTY CRIMINAL COURT.
1:56:11PM AND THAT'S THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS.
1:56:13PM SO THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO THE LOWEST
1:56:17PM CATEGORIZED FINE.
1:56:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, BECAUSE YOU SAW THE SAME WE SAW BUT
1:56:22PM YOU WERE TRYING TO REDUCE THE FINE.
1:56:24PM YOU WERE TRYING TO BE KIND, AND IT SOUND LIKE WE ARE BEING
1:56:28PM CRITICAL OF WHAT YOU PROPOSED, BUT SOME OF US DON'T BELIEVE
1:56:30PM IN HAVING ANYTHING.
1:56:31PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: WE WANT TO BRING BACK TO YOU WHAT YOU
1:56:34PM GUYS ULTIMATELY WANT.
1:56:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK I WOULD RATHER RESCIND IT.
1:56:38PM USUALLY THE CHAIR GOES LAST BUT IN THIS CASE THE CHAIR IS A
1:56:41PM CONTENT EXPERT AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HE PROPOSED.
1:56:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS.
1:56:47PM I WAS.
1:56:48PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:56:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I LISTENED TO MY COUNCILMAN AND

1:56:55PM COUNCILWOMAN, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, TO GET ON THE BUS AND THAT
1:56:57PM LAST LEG SKATEBOARD TO GET TO WORK, AND THAT'S LEGITIMATE.
1:57:01PM I AGREE.
1:57:06PM I HATE SKATEBOARDING ON SIDEWALKS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE
1:57:09PM ARE NOT COURTEOUS.
1:57:10PM THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE.
1:57:11PM BUT I CAN LIVE WITH IT.
1:57:13PM MR. CARLSON DOES HAVE ONE POINT.
1:57:15PM IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE IN A CERTAIN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT
1:57:19PM BEING COURTEOUS YOU COULD HAVE SUPERVISORS LIKE CITIZENS
1:57:21PM MAKE COMPLAINTS, SAY SOMEONE GOT HURT, AND IT COMES OUT
1:57:25PM WHERE YOU GO OUT THERE AND MONITOR THE AREA.
1:57:27PM AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE AN OFFICER GO OUT THERE AND WRITE
1:57:32PM CITATIONS, YOU KNOW.
1:57:35PM YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT.
1:57:36PM BUT ME BEING THE OLD COP, THERE ISN'T THAT MOST WOULD BE
1:57:42PM DOING.
1:57:44PM BUT I AIN'T GOING OUT GIVING NO KIDS TICKETS.
1:57:48PM I AM GOING TO TAKE IT TO YOUR MAMA'S HOUSE BUT YOU CAPTAIN
1:57:55PM SAY NOT HAVE ANY CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE
1:57:58PM KNUCKLEHEADS, THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WHATEVER THEY
1:58:01PM WANT TO DO NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT TO AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE
1:58:04PM TO TAKE A LITTLE OF THAT CANDY MONEY.
1:58:07PM I WOULDN'T SAME $75.
1:58:08PM I THINK $15 WOULD BE ADEQUATE.

1:58:12PM THAT'S NOT A BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY BUT LITTLE KIDS, YOU TALK
1:58:16PM ABOUT TEENAGERS ARE KIDS, AND I CAN LOOK AT ABOUT 10 OR 15
1:58:22PM BUCKS AS A WAKE-UP CALL.
1:58:24PM BUT IT COULD BE REPETITIVE.
1:58:34PM I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A FIRST-TIME
1:58:41PM OCCURRENCE, EVEN THE SECOND, AND THEN AT THE END, $10 OR 15.
1:58:46PM BUT I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT NOT DOING ANYTHING.
1:58:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES?
1:58:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M FINISHED.
1:58:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I FEEL LIKE COUNCILMAN GUDES, AND WHAT
1:58:59PM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SKATEBOARDERS BUT WE ARE FORGETTING
1:59:02PM THAT THE SKATEBOARDERS AREN'T THE ONLY ONES ON THE SIDEWALK.
1:59:06PM FOR EVERY SKATEBOARDER THERE'S AT LEAST 500 PEOPLE WALKING
1:59:09PM OH IT SIDEWALK ON AND OFF.
1:59:11PM SO ONE WAY THIS WAY, ONE WAY THIS WAY, YOU HAVE GOT PEOPLE
1:59:14PM WALKING EAST AND WEST, ONE GOING EAST, ONE COMING WEST, AND
1:59:19PM YOU HAVE A SKATEBOARDER COMING ON BOTH SIDES.
1:59:21PM NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, I'M SURE.
1:59:26PM I REST MY CASE.
1:59:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, AND LET'S HAVE LAST
1:59:30PM ROUND OF QUESTIONS, OR LAST ROUND OF STATEMENTS.
1:59:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SPEAK AS A BICYCLIST ON THE
1:59:36PM RIVERWALK.
1:59:37PM I USE IT CONSTANTLY, AM THERE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.
1:59:41PM AND, YOU KNOW, MOST CYCLISTS I SEE ARE PRETTY GOOD.

1:59:46PM I JUST BOUGHT MYSELF A NEW BELL FOR ANY NEW BIKE THAT DIDN'T
1:59:50PM HAVE ONE SO YOU RIPPING IT AND LET PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU
1:59:56PM SEE TO MOVE OVER, AND ENCOURAGING SKATEBOARDERS TO SAY
2:00:00PM SOMETHING.
2:00:00PM BUT ULTIMATELY, OFTENTIMES, I HATE TO SAY IT, IT'S THE
2:00:05PM PEDESTRIANS WHO ARE THE WORST BECAUSE THEY WALK LIKE -- ON
2:00:11PM RIVERWALK.
2:00:12PM AND YOU SAY EXCUSE ME.
2:00:13PM EXCUSE ME.
2:00:14PM AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT AND YOU SLOW DOWN.
2:00:16PM SO THAT'S WHAT A SKATEBOARDER WOULD DO.
2:00:18PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MOW PEOPLE OVER.
2:00:23PM KID DON'T WANT TO MOW PEOPLE OVER.
2:00:27PM WE AREN'T SEEING SKATEBOARDING WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER.
2:00:32PM I JUST DON'T SEE THIS AS AN ISSUE.

2:00:37PM I WANT TO MENTION AS SOMEBODY WHO REGULARLY UTILIZES THE
2:00:40PM RIVERWALK, THE CYCLISTS -- AND I'VE SEEN SKATEBOARDERS ON
2:00:45PM THERE -- ARE GOOD ABOUT JUST WAITING UNTIL SOMEONE PASSES
2:00:49PM AND THEN THEY CAN SAFELY PASS.
2:00:51PM IT'S JUST ABOUT BEING A GOOD CITIZEN.
2:00:52PM AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REGULATE GOOD
2:00:55PM CITIZENSHIP.
2:00:56PM IF WE HAD, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE AT THIS POINT.
2:00:59PM THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
2:01:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?

2:01:01PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
2:01:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE GET YOUR CONTENT --
2:01:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MY OPINION IS SKATEBOARDING IS NOT ILLEGAL.
2:01:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: WOULD YOU MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND THE FINE
2:01:16PM ALTOGETHER?
2:01:16PM WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
2:01:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I ALREADY SAID THAT MY OPINION IS THAT
2:01:22PM SKATEBOARDING IS NOT ILLEGAL.
2:01:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE COME BACK
2:01:27PM WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, THAT JUST TAKES IT OFF.
2:01:31PM BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE DEFINITION OF IT
2:01:34PM BEING ALLOWED TO BE -- I MEAN --
2:01:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SPEAK YOUR PIECE THERE, SIR.
2:01:42PM >> SORRY, AS A LEGAL ADVISOR, I HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY I
2:01:45PM BELIEVE THERE IS A NEED FOR A SKATEBOARDING ORDINANCE.
2:01:48PM I'VE REVIEWED A LOT OF CASE LAW, SO THE REASON THE
2:01:52PM LEGISLATURE CREATED THE EXEMPTION FOR THE SKATE PARKS AND
2:01:55PM THINGS LIKE THAT IS TO ENCOURAGE SKATING AT THE SKATE PARKS.
2:01:59PM NOT ON THE SIDEWALKS.
2:02:02PM AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS AND A
2:02:06PM SKATEBOARDER SUES THE CITY, RIGHT?
2:02:10PM AND DOES TRICKS AND DOES WHATEVER AND WE SAY, OH, WE DON'T
2:02:13PM HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS PROHIBITING SKATEBOARDING, WE ARE
2:02:16PM SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR LAWSUITS.
2:02:18PM I'M JUST BRINGING THAT OUT THERE.

2:02:21PM THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REGULATION OF SKATEBOARDING.
2:02:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IN THAT THOUGHT PATTERN, THE STATE CAME OUT
2:02:27PM WITH THIS WHEN?
2:02:29PM >> SKATEBOARDING?
2:02:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:02:33PM >> I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
2:02:34PM SKATEBOARDING HAS BEEN PROHIBITED --
2:02:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FIVE YEARS AGO, TEN YEARS AGO?
2:02:39PM 20 YEARS AGO?
2:02:41PM >> 20 YEARS AGO.
2:02:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
2:02:45PM WE ARE SUCH AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW THAT SOMEBODY
2:02:47PM THAT NEEDS TO GET FIVE BLOCKS AWAY TO WHERE THEIR JOB MAY
2:02:51PM BE, A SKATEBOARDER IS GOING TO BE THE QUICKEST, EASIEST WAY
2:02:56PM TO GO.
2:02:56PM WITH THE PRICE OF GAS, SOME PEOPLE ARE RELYING NOW ON
2:02:59PM SKATEBOARDS.
2:03:00PM TIMES ARE DIFFERENT.
2:03:01PM I'M SORRY.
2:03:02PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:03:07PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:03:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE
2:03:13PM REDUCE IT, THEN, TO A WARNING.
2:03:16PM NOT TAKE IT OFF THE BOOKS FROM A NOTICE TO APPEAR, JUST TAKE
2:03:19PM IT DOWN TO A WARNING.

2:03:21PM YEAH, AT LEAST SOMETHING.
2:03:24PM THE POLICE OFFICER HAS THE DISCRETION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M
2:03:27PM GOING TO TAKE YOU HOME.
2:03:28PM I'LL TAKE YOUR BOARD.
2:03:30PM DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
2:03:32PM BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S PROPERTY DAMAGE, THEN THAT'S A
2:03:35PM SEPARATE THING.
2:03:36PM COULD AN OFFICER THEN CHARGE SOMEBODY THERE?
2:03:38PM THAT'S COVERED.
2:03:40PM BUT, AGAIN, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE, AND THAT'S IT.
2:03:43PM BUT WE HAVE SOMETHING.
2:03:44PM SO IN THE CASE THAT WE ARE SUED, WE HAVE SOME KIND OF
2:03:48PM PROTECTION.
2:03:48PM AGAIN, THE MOTION WOULD BE TO REDUCE IT FROM A NOTICE TO
2:03:53PM APPEAR TO JUST A WARNING.
2:03:55PM NO FINES.
2:03:57PM JUST A WARNING.
2:04:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:04:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE HAVE THESE LAWS ON THE BOOKS FOR
2:04:04PM SCOOTERS?
2:04:05PM DO WE HAVE THEM FOR BICYCLISTS?
2:04:09PM >> YEAH, SURE.
2:04:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST SINGLING
2:04:13PM OUT SKATERS HERE.
2:04:16PM AND IF WE DON'T -- AND IF WE DO HAVE LAWS FOR SCOOTERS AND

2:04:21PM BICYCLISTS, IF WE COULD JUST LUMP SKATEBOARDERS AND
2:04:23PM ROLLERBLADERS AND ROLLER SKATERS AND ONE-WHEELERS AND ALL OF
2:04:29PM IT TOGETHER.
2:04:32PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: THE CHAPTER 316, AS I GAVE A BRIEF
2:04:35PM OVERVIEW, ALREADY DISCUSSES BIKES, E-BIKES, MOTORIZED
2:04:39PM SCOOTERS.
2:04:41PM WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS, THOUGH, THERE IS A SPECIFIC
2:04:43PM SECTION IN 316 THAT SAYS SKATES, ROLLER SKATES ARE NOT
2:04:49PM ALLOWED ON THE STREETS, BUT THE CITIES CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW
2:04:53PM THEM ON SIDEWALKS.
2:04:54PM SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE CITIES TRADITIONALLY
2:04:58PM DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW ON SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE
2:05:02PM PEDESTRIAN USE, PRIMARILY, BUT SHOULD THE CITY ALLOW OTHER
2:05:04PM THINGS.
2:05:05PM SO THAT'S WHY CITIES HAVE REGULATED SKATES ON SIDEWALKS
2:05:09PM BECAUSE THEY ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE ON THE STREETS.
2:05:11PM BIKES CAN BE ON THE STREETS.
2:05:13PM BIKES CAN BE ON BIKE PATHS.
2:05:15PM SKATES CANNOT.
2:05:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS NOT MY QUESTION, THOUGH, AND I
2:05:18PM APOLOGIZE IF I WAS NOT CLEAR.
2:05:19PM MY QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE LAWS ON THE BOOKS THAT FINE
2:05:24PM SCOOTER RIDERS AND BIKE RIDERS?
2:05:27PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: UNDER CHAPTER 316 THERE ARE ALREADY
2:05:31PM PROHIBITIONS THAT RESULT IN A CIVIL CITATION.

2:05:34PM PLUS WE HAVE OUR MOTORIZED SCOOTER ORDINANCE FOR SIDEWALKS.
2:05:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOR WHAT?
2:05:36PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: FOR BIKES?
2:05:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, WHAT ARE THOSE CITATIONS?
2:05:40PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: THE AMOUNT OF THE FINE IS I BELIEVE IT'S
2:05:42PM GOING TO BE $30.
2:05:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE JUST PUT SKATEBOARDS IN WITH THAT?
2:05:47PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: THAT'S UNDER STATE LAW.
2:05:48PM IT'S UNDER CHAPTER 316.
2:05:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE CHOOSE TO JUST FOLLOW THE SAME LAW
2:05:56PM THAT WE USE FOR SCOOTERS AND BICYCLES AND ONE-WHEELS?
2:05:59PM I MEAN, DOESN'T THAT SEEM FAIR?
2:06:03PM I'M NOT THRILLED WITH IT, BUT IF WE'RE ALREADY ALLOWING $30
2:06:10PM FINES FOR BIKES AND SCOOTERS, I MEAN, I STILL REALLY -- I
2:06:13PM DON'T CARE FOR THE FINES INVOLVED WITH SKATEBOARDING.
2:06:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY MOTION STILL STANDS.
2:06:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE]
2:06:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
2:06:26PM MANISCALCO.
2:06:27PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:06:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY MOTION WOULD BE TO NOT ELIMINATE THIS
2:06:36PM ORDINANCE, BUT TO REDUCE IT FROM A NOTICE TO APPEAR TO JUST
2:06:40PM A WARNING.
2:06:40PM THAT'S IT.
2:06:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU'RE STILL SECONDING?

2:06:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
2:06:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:06:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO IF WE DO THIS, WHAT HAPPENS THE SECOND
2:06:53PM AND THIRD TIME?
2:06:54PM DO THEY STILL GET FINED?
2:06:56PM IS IT STILL JUST A WARNING?
2:07:00PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: THAT'S UP TO CITY COUNCIL.
2:07:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DIDN'T KNOW IF CHANGING THE FIRST ONE
2:07:07PM WOULD CHANGE WHATEVER --
2:07:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:07:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE TRULY IF
2:07:14PM YOU'RE GRINDING ON CITY PROPERTY OR PUBLIC/PRIVATE PROPERTY,
2:07:18PM YOU CAN STILL GET A CRIMINAL MISCHIEF FINE FOR THAT.
2:07:23PM I THINK THAT IS A GRAND SOLUTION AND I SUPPORT IT.
2:07:27PM THANK YOU.
2:07:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:07:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
2:07:31PM NOT HAVING ANY CONSEQUENCES, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
2:07:35PM IF YOU SAID A WARNING AND THEN A SUBSEQUENT AFTER THAT,
2:07:38PM MAYBE 10, 12 BUCKS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT
2:07:41PM NO FINE AT ALL.
2:07:43PM EVEN IF YOU PUT IT IN THE BICYCLE CHAPTER, THE BICYCLE
2:07:45PM CHAPTER ALREADY SAID IT'S $30.
2:07:48PM IF YOU PUT IT IN, PAY $30.
2:07:51PM I'M SAYING MAYBE 10 OR 12 BUCKS.

2:07:54PM YOU JUST CAN'T SAY I'LL STOP YOU ONE DAY, SAME GUY DOING IT
2:07:57PM EVERY, EVERY DAY AND WE DON'T -- YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE
2:08:00PM ANY SENSE.
2:08:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S GO TO A VOTE, PLEASE.
2:08:05PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:08:06PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
2:08:08PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
2:08:10PM LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:08:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
2:08:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:08:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:08:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
2:08:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:08:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:08:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:08:25PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND GUDES
2:08:27PM VOTING NO.
2:08:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:08:32PM I'M SORRY.
2:08:33PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: POINT OF CLARIFICATION THERE.
2:08:35PM SO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE REDUCE -- WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE,
2:08:39PM REDUCE IT DOWN TO A WARNING IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?
2:08:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S CORRECT.
2:08:42PM >>MICHAEL SCHMID: THANK YOU.
2:08:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

2:08:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE ARE ALSO THEN MAKING IT LEGAL TO SKATE
2:08:49PM ON THE SIDEWALK, CORRECT?
2:08:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF YOU'RE GETTING A WARNING FOR SKATING ON
2:08:54PM THE SIDEWALK, THEN IT'S NOT LEGAL.
2:08:58PM OKAY.
2:09:05PM LET'S GO -- NOW, CHIEF TRIPP, YOU'RE HERE?
2:09:09PM YES, I SEE YOU BACK THERE.
2:09:11PM LET'S GO TO 8, 9, 10.
2:09:13PM AGAIN TO BE HEARD TOGETHER BUT VOTED ON NECESSARY
2:09:22PM SEPARATELY.
2:09:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: CAN I SAY SOMETHING ON NUMBER 10 BECAUSE I
2:09:26PM THINK THIS WILL SAVE TIME?
2:09:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURELY, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:09:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: HI, CHIEF.
2:09:31PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
2:09:32PM FOR NUMBER 10, WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTING, AND I SPOKE
2:09:35PM TO CHIEF BENNETT ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, WAS A PANEL OF
2:09:41PM CITIZENS PICKED BY COUNCIL, MAYOR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, TO
2:09:44PM SEE ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR POLICIES HOLISTICALLY ON
2:09:49PM MENTAL HEALTH IN A WIDE ARRAY OF AREAS.
2:09:51PM SO I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO GO -- THE MEMO WAS WONDERFUL, AND
2:09:54PM I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
2:09:55PM BUT I THINK THAT BY GOING THROUGH IT, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON
2:10:02PM WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
2:10:04PM AGAIN, WONDERFUL INFORMATION, BUT IN OTHER WORDS, I WOULDN'T

2:10:07PM WANT YOU TO GO ON TO SOMETHING IF I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION
2:10:09PM THAT KIND OF TAKES IT IN ANOTHER DIRECTION.
2:10:11PM YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
2:10:13PM IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT PLEASES THE CHAIR, I WOULD -- UNLESS
2:10:17PM IF CHIEF TRIPP WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT, OBVIOUSLY WITHIN
2:10:20PM YOUR DISCRETION, BUT THAT'S IT.
2:10:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:10:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I READ THE MEMO.
2:10:29PM I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING AN OUTSIDE PANEL.
2:10:34PM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICIES AS IT RELATES TO POLICE AND
2:10:40PM FIRE, MENTAL HEALTH.
2:10:41PM I THINK YOU'LL RUN INTO SOME UNION ISSUES.
2:10:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN WE HEAR OUR STAFF REPORT AND WE'LL GO
2:10:48PM FROM THERE?
2:10:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS SAYING, WE CAN HEAR THE STAFF REPORT,
2:10:52PM THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED SO I CAN LET HIM KNOW
2:10:55PM WHERE ISSUES ARE AT.
2:10:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AFTER WE HEAR THE STAFF REPORTS, WE CAN GO
2:10:59PM INTO QUESTIONS, ANSWERS, COMMENTS, ISSUES, EVERYTHING.
2:11:03PM CHIEF TRIPP.
2:11:03PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
2:11:05PM BARBARA TRIPP, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
2:11:05PM MY APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY.
2:11:11PM I WAS AT ANOTHER MEETING.
2:11:12PM DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT 10 FIRST?

2:11:14PM IT WILL BE QUICK BECAUSE BASICALLY WITH THAT, IF YOU'RE
2:11:18PM LOOKING FOR A PANEL TO TALK ABOUT FIRE AND POLICE MENTAL
2:11:22PM HEALTH, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING INTERNAL AS OPPOSED
2:11:26PM TO EXTERNAL BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE THE ONLY ONE THAT
2:11:29PM KNOWS KIND OF WHAT WE GO THROUGH.
2:11:33PM IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I'LL GET BACK WITH CHIEF
2:11:36PM OF STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION AND COME UP WITH A PANEL TO
2:11:39PM ADDRESS THAT.
2:11:39PM I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO EXTERNALLY.
2:11:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:11:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
2:11:45PM YOUR-ALL'S INTERNAL POLICIES THAT'S NOT LIMITED TO THAT, IT
2:11:49PM COULD BE DEALING WITH THE WAY EMPLOYEES DEAL WITH THE
2:11:53PM PUBLIC, ET CETERA.
2:11:55PM PARKS AND RECREATION, BENEFITS, JUST OVERARCHING DEALS WITH
2:12:00PM MENTAL HEALTH, NOT LIMITED JUST TO POLICE AND FIRE.
2:12:04PM BUT, AGAIN, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS THE ADMINISTRATION'S
2:12:06PM POSITION ON THAT.
2:12:08PM SO IF YOU ALL ARE OPPOSED TO THAT AND GIVE ME A GOOD REASON
2:12:12PM AS TO WHY IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA THEN MAYBE I WOULD BE LIKE,
2:12:15PM HEY, YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT POINT.
2:12:16PM THAT'S ALL.
2:12:17PM I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER TODAY.
2:12:18PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I WAS GOING TO SAY THE POLICY WE HAVE NOW,
2:12:21PM THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE WORKS, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR

2:12:24PM FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
2:12:28PM I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE ATU BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
2:12:31PM THEY HAVE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE CITY POLICY FOR ANY CITY
2:12:34PM EMPLOYEE TO FOLLOW THROUGH THAT PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE.
2:12:37PM AND YOU SPECIFY PUBLIC SAFETY, SO THAT'S WHY FIRE AND POLICE
2:12:42PM PUT THEIR ADDITIONAL SYSTEM THAT WE PUT IN.
2:12:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: SURE.
2:12:48PM AGAIN, I DON'T RECALL -- ACTUALLY, I DO BELIEVE WHAT I
2:12:50PM RECALL I MOTIONED FOR.
2:12:52PM I THINK IT WAS FOR AN OVERARCHING POLICY OF THE CITY OF
2:12:54PM TAMPA, NOT JUST POLICE AND FIRE.
2:12:57PM SO THAT'S WHY I SPOKE TO JOHN BENNETT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY
2:13:00PM BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE THERE WAS MISCOMMUNICATION ON THIS.
2:13:02PM AGAIN, ALL I'M LOOKING FOR TO SEE IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S
2:13:05PM POSITION ON IT.
2:13:06PM AND IF THERE IS A REASON TO NOT DO IT, THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO
2:13:09PM WITHDRAW IT.
2:13:10PM AGAIN, I THINK THAT PUBLICLY DISCUSSING IT AT THIS TIME KIND
2:13:12PM OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF GOING INTERNALLY, ET CETERA.
2:13:15PM THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, SO I THINK -- LIKE I SAID,
2:13:18PM THE MEMO IS NOT AT LEAST RELATED TO WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR,
2:13:23PM IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
2:13:25PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OKAY.
2:13:26PM YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN OVERALL CITY POLICY.
2:13:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

2:13:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WASN'T ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED --
2:13:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ON AGENDA
2:13:34PM ITEM 10.
2:13:34PM I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS TALKING ABOUT.
2:13:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST KNOW THE HISTORY.
2:13:41PM I THINK THE CHIEF KNOWS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.
2:13:44PM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME, MR. VIERA, CONVINCING THE
2:13:49PM UNION.
2:13:50PM I CAN'T SPEAK FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, YOU
2:13:53PM TALK ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE AN OUTSIDE PANEL TALKING ABOUT
2:13:59PM THEIR HEALTH CONDITIONS AND MENTAL HEALTH, I'M JUST SAYING I
2:14:02PM DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
2:14:04PM AND I DON'T WANT TO GET ON CAMERA SAYING WHY, BUT I KNOW WHY
2:14:08PM THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM QUICKLY.
2:14:13PM I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO ADVOCATE GETTING THINGS IN PLACE.
2:14:18PM AND THERE ARE THINGS IN PLACE IF SOMEONE IS HAVING A PROBLEM
2:14:21PM OR THEY SEEM DISTRESSED, BUT YOU HAVE OUTSIDE SOURCE COME IN
2:14:30PM AND EVALUATE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS.
2:14:33PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
2:14:36PM BUT I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROGRAM THAT
2:14:39PM WE HAVE OR WITH THE ASSISTANCE THAT WE HAVE.
2:14:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:14:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
2:14:45PM AGAIN, WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION PUBLICLY ON SOMETHING THAT
2:14:49PM SHOULD PROBABLY BE HELD PRIVATELY.

2:14:51PM I'M NOT ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO BE EVALUATED.
2:14:54PM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THINGS LIKE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
2:14:58PM WE HAVE THE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS WHO WORK FOR TAMPA
2:15:02PM POLICE DEPEND, RIGHT?
2:15:03PM CAN WE BETTER FUND THAT?
2:15:05PM THAT'S JUST ONE.
2:15:06PM IT'S NOT ABOUT DOING ANALYSIS OF EMPLOYEES OR ANYTHING OF
2:15:09PM THAT.
2:15:09PM IT'S ABOUT POLICIES.
2:15:11PM THAT'S IT.
2:15:12PM SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD REQUEST, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I CAN
2:15:16PM MAKE A MOTION AT THE END TO PUT THIS TO ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE
2:15:19PM I THINK THIS IS --
2:15:21PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, TOO, IS THERE A
2:15:24PM PROBLEM?
2:15:24PM IS THE SYSTEM BROKEN?
2:15:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: LIKE I SAID, CHIEF, LET'S HAVE THIS PRIVATELY.
2:15:29PM I SPOKE TO CHIEF BENNETT ABOUT THIS.
2:15:31PM I'LL SPEAK TO HIM DURING THE MEETING ABOUT THIS AS WELL, BUT
2:15:35PM THIS IS FOR A PRIVATE CONVERSATION.
2:15:36PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OKAY.
2:15:37PM NO PROBLEM.
2:15:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
2:15:38PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THANK YOU.
2:15:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH

2:15:43PM AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 8 AND 9, CHIEF?
2:15:47PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I BELIEVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 REFERS TO THE
2:15:52PM MONEY, THE FUNDING FOR NEW TAMPA.
2:15:59PM I SENT A MEMO IN.
2:16:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, WERE YOU SATISFIED WITH
2:16:03PM THAT MEMORANDUM?
2:16:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: I DO WANT TO BRING THIS THING BACK BECAUSE
2:16:07PM THERE ARE SOME REQUESTS FOR MORE TIME, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM
2:16:09PM WITH THAT.
2:16:10PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A SPECIFIC TIME ON THAT,
2:16:13PM WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE FINE WITH.
2:16:14PM WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF NEW TAMPA, 33647, AS YOU
2:16:18PM KNOW, THE ISSUE IS NOT NUMBER OF CALLS.
2:16:20PM IT'S POTENTIAL RESPONSE TIMES, PARTICULARLY WITH K-BAR RANCH
2:16:25PM AREA.
2:16:25PM IN THE MEMO, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE SAYS THEY NEED MORE TIME, I'M
2:16:29PM TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT.
2:16:30PM BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A TIME WHEN THAT
2:16:34PM ANSWER IS GOING TO COME BACK TO US.
2:16:36PM I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT, IF I MAY.
2:16:38PM FOR NORTH TAMPA, AND SPEAKING TO YOU, YOU'RE POTENTIALLY
2:16:42PM LOOKING AT FOWLER AREA POTENTIALLY FOR A NEW STATION AND
2:16:46PM YOU'RE LOOKING AT REAL ESTATE OUT THERE, ET CETERA.
2:16:48PM AGAIN, YOU NEED MORE TIME ON THAT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH
2:16:51PM THAT AT ALL.

2:16:51PM YOU KNOW, MY MAIN ISSUE IS THAT WE HAD A MILLION DOLLARS IN
2:16:54PM THE BUDGET FOR DISTRICT 7 FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, RIGHT?
2:16:58PM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW HOW THAT MONEY IS GOING
2:17:00PM TO BE SPENT BECAUSE THERE ARE REAL ACUTE NEEDS IN DISTRICT 7
2:17:05PM WHENEVER IT COMES TO TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, AND I WANT TO MAKE
2:17:08PM SURE THAT WE KEEP ON THAT.
2:17:09PM SO I'M GOING TO MOTION FOR THIS TO COME BACK TO US ON
2:17:13PM DECEMBER 15th.
2:17:14PM AGAIN, IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, ASK, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
2:17:19PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: CAN I COMMENT ON BOTH OF THEM?
2:17:21PM OKAY.
2:17:22PM SO AS FAR AS -- FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT
2:17:26PM WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND FOR GETTING THE NEED OUT THERE OF
2:17:29PM HELPING THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN RESPONDING
2:17:31PM TO THE CALLS.
2:17:32PM SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE MONEY FOR DISTRICT 7, THOSE MONIES, AS
2:17:36PM I STATED BEFORE, IS GOING TO BE USED TO PUT ADDITIONAL
2:17:39PM RESOURCES UP THERE TO ASSIST.
2:17:42PM WHEN I REVIEWED -- IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DATA.
2:17:44PM WE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
2:17:45PM AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
2:17:46PM IT'S NOT THE RESPONSE CALL -- THE NUMBER OF CALLS; IT IS THE
2:17:50PM RESPONSE TIME.
2:17:51PM SO WHEN I BROKE DOWN THE CALLS, A LOT OF THAT DEALS WITH
2:17:54PM NONEMERGENCY CALLS.

2:17:55PM AS I EXPLAINED THE A, B, C AND D CALLS.
2:17:58PM WITH THAT, I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF WE CAN PARTNER WITH
2:18:01PM NONEMERGENCY UNITS TO SEE IF THEY CAN STAGE SOMEONE WITH THE
2:18:05PM CALL RESPONSE TIME AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR TAMPA
2:18:09PM FIRE RESCUE IN THAT AREA.
2:18:09PM SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT BOXES.
2:18:11PM 262 AND 263 WHICH IS IN K-BAR.
2:18:15PM WE KNOW IT'S ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.
2:18:17PM ALSO WORKING WITH MOBILITY AND THE COUNTY TO SEE ABOUT
2:18:19PM GETTING AN ACCESS ROAD OFF OF MORRIS BRIDGE.
2:18:22PM NOW, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, BEEN IN THIS POSITION
2:18:25PM FOR 16 MONTHS, HELPING OUT THE NORTH TAMPA AREA, WE FINALLY
2:18:30PM GOT STATION 25, AND THAT LEADS INTO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEMS
2:18:33PM ABOUT STATION 24 AND 25.
2:18:35PM SO IT TOOK US A YEAR TO GET THAT STATION UP AND RUNNING,
2:18:39PM WHICH HAS HELPED OUT THE NORTH TAMPA AREA.
2:18:41PM THE CALL VOLUME HAS EQUALIZED AMONG THE UNITS UP THERE,
2:18:44PM WHICH SHOWS ALSO THE UNIT HOUR UTILIZATION FOR EACH
2:18:49PM INDIVIDUAL HAS DECREASED, WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
2:18:51PM FOR.
2:18:51PM I'M LOOKING TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:18:53PM ONCE AGAIN, IT TOOK A YEAR FOR THAT, SO IT WILL TAKE TIME TO
2:18:57PM CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, MOVING IT ALONG.
2:18:58PM NOW, WITH THAT, WE TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL.
2:19:00PM I HAVE HIRED OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THE LAST YEAR.

2:19:04PM I DO MULTIPLE HIRING GROUPS TO GET OUR STATS UP AND OUR
2:19:08PM NUMBERS UP TO HELP ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED FOR
2:19:11PM THE COMMUNITY.
2:19:11PM SO THAT IS MY GOAL.
2:19:13PM NOW, WHEN YOU SAY TIME, WE HAVE -- I WORKED WITH THE REAL
2:19:16PM ESTATE DEPARTMENT.
2:19:17PM WE HAVE LOOKED AT -- THEY HAVE DONE ABOUT 25-PLUS SITES THAT
2:19:22PM WE HAVE HAD NO GOOD LUCK ON AS FAR AS PURCHASING.
2:19:25PM AND THAT HAS ALSO BEEN A CONCERN AND ISSUE, TOO.
2:19:29PM WE TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OF IT AND WE TALK ABOUT THE
2:19:31PM LOCATION.
2:19:31PM WE JUST CAN'T PUT IT ANYWHERE.
2:19:33PM THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS DO A KNEE-JERK REACTION
2:19:36PM AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT IS NOT NEEDED.
2:19:38PM SO I'M STRATEGICALLY LOOKING TO FIND THE PERFECT SPOT TO PUT
2:19:41PM THIS TO HELP THE NORTH TAMPA AREA AS WELL AS ASSIST THE
2:19:46PM COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA, NOT JUST NORTH
2:19:48PM TAMPA.
2:19:48PM I'M DOING THE SAME THING FOR SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, AND
2:19:52PM DOWNTOWN TAMPA AS WELL.
2:19:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:19:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: OBVIOUSLY, NOT LOOKING FOR A KNEE-JERK
2:19:59PM REACTION, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS THE MILLION DOLLARS
2:20:02PM THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO DISTRICT 7.
2:20:04PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR.

2:20:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
2:20:07PM WE PROPOSED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER
2:20:10PM PLAN FOR ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WHENEVER IT COMES FOR
2:20:13PM POLICE AS WELL AS FIRE.
2:20:14PM THAT INCLUDES SOUTH OF GANDY.
2:20:15PM THAT INCLUDES SULPHUR SPRINGS, EAST TAMPA, SOUTH TAMPA,
2:20:18PM NORTH TAMPA, NEW TAMPA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
2:20:20PM I DON'T WANT THIS TO MAKE IT SEEM AS IF I'M JUST LOOKING OUT
2:20:25PM FOR DISTRICT 7.
2:20:26PM I'M LOOKING AT THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE PASSED IN THE
2:20:28PM BUDGET AND TO SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO TO ADDRESS THE
2:20:30PM DEFICITS THAT WE HAVE IN DISTRICT 7.
2:20:32PM VERY SIMPLE.
2:20:34PM I DON'T WANT MY MOTION TO BE MISCONSTRUED.
2:20:37PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: SO WITH THAT, I AM ALSO PUTTING A HEAVY
2:20:40PM RESCUE UNIT UP IN THE 3347 BECAUSE THE NEED FOR -- TO
2:20:44PM RESPOND TO THE INTERSTATE AS WELL AS AREAS UP THERE, I AM
2:20:48PM LOOKING.
2:20:49PM WE ACTUALLY HAVE A HEAVY RESCUE ON ORDER THAT'S GOING TO
2:20:51PM ASSIST WITH THE FUNDING OF THAT MILLION DOLLARS AS WELL AS
2:20:54PM PUTTING ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO OFFSET THAT UNIT AS WELL AS
2:20:58PM ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, WHETHER IT BE NON-TRANSPORT OR
2:21:01PM TRANSPORT UP IN THE 33647 AREA.
2:21:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT.
2:21:06PM I'LL MOTION FOR THAT TO COME BACK.

2:21:07PM I CAN DO IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING OR NOW, SIR.
2:21:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:21:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
2:21:15PM WE STARTED THE JOURNEY BACK IN 2019 WITH LITTLE STATION 10.
2:21:21PM A LOT OF WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THAT ONE AS WELL.
2:21:24PM BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THINGS MOVING OVER THERE.
2:21:26PM I'M GRATEFUL WE DID GET A PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE COME BACK
2:21:30PM AND TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AREAS AND THE RELIEF UP THERE
2:21:35PM WITH THE NEW STATION, WITH THE REMODEL STATION THAT HELPS
2:21:39PM SULPHUR SPRINGS.
2:21:41PM MEMBER VIERA SHARED SOME OF THAT BOUNDARY THERE.
2:21:43PM WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
2:21:45PM I TELL YOU, YOU HIT THE GROUND RUNNING FROM DAY ONE, AND YOU
2:21:50PM HAVEN'T LOOKED BACK.
2:21:51PM I'M VERY PROUD TO SAY TO CALL YOU FIRE CHIEF BECAUSE YOU'VE
2:21:54PM DONE A HECK OF A JOB.
2:21:55PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE'RE STILL ON WITH YOU AND THE UNION
2:21:58PM TOMORROW AT 10.
2:21:59PM I THINK IT'S IN MY CALENDAR.
2:22:01PM I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE, IS THAT CORRECT?
2:22:03PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR.
2:22:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUES WE'LL TALK
2:22:06PM ABOUT.
2:22:07PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR.
2:22:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

2:22:10PM SEE YOU TOMORROW MORNING AT 10.
2:22:12PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THANK YOU.
2:22:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I GUESS WE ARE NOW GOING TO TALK ABOUT
2:22:17PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
2:22:19PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:22:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S ALL THE SAME.
2:22:23PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: IT IS COMBINED.
2:22:25PM WITH STATION 24 AND 25.
2:22:27PM THAT WAS A GREAT MOVE FOR STATION 25.
2:22:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.
2:22:31PM ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?
2:22:32PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: NO, SIR.
2:22:33PM HAVE A GOOD DAY.
2:22:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM 13, FILE CM22-77271.
2:22:40PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:22:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS WAS MY MOTION, AND JUST TO SET IT UP,
2:22:58PM CITY ATTORNEY HAS SENT US A MEMO AND AT THE END OF THE MEMO
2:23:03PM IT SAYS THAT ON PAGE 4, CONCLUSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT
2:23:12PM SHOULD CITY COUNCIL -- I'LL PARAPHRASE -- WANT TO REGULATE
2:23:17PM SETTLEMENT DECISIONS, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE LEGAL
2:23:21PM DEPARTMENT IS TO LIMIT ONLY THE ONES ABOVE $100,000 AND THE
2:23:28PM ONES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH CITY COUNCIL.
2:23:30PM UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PRESENTATION
2:23:35PM HERE, I WOULD SAY -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK
2:23:43PM THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE TO DELEGATE CITY

2:23:46PM COUNCIL'S AUTHORITIES AS DEFINED IN CHARTER SECTION 7.02 AND
2:23:49PM 8.01 TO SIGN CONTRACTS FOR LAWSUIT SETTLEMENTS UNDER 100,000
2:23:53PM AND TO MAKE PAYMENT FOR THOSE SETTLEMENTS UNDER 100,000
2:23:57PM WITHOUT APPEARING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
2:23:59PM LAWSUITS AGAINST CITY COUNCIL OR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD
2:24:02PM NOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS EXEMPTION.
2:24:03PM THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE RENEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS TO BE
2:24:06PM PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION ON DECEMBER
2:24:09PM 15.
2:24:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
2:24:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M GOING TO SAY I HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD THE
2:24:20PM PRESENTATION FROM MS. ZELMAN.
2:24:22PM I WILL SAY THIS, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM
2:24:28PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:24:30PM MY DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF.
2:24:34PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AND IF I MAY, IN ORDER TO RESPOND TO THAT
2:24:37PM MOTION, CAN I GET A COPY OF IT?
2:24:39PM BECAUSE IT WAS HARD TO FOLLOW.
2:24:41PM IF YOU HAVE A COPY --
2:24:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T HAVE A COPY HERE, BUT I CAN MAKE
2:24:47PM ONE.
2:24:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO READ THE REPORT, AND I THINK YOU'RE
2:24:56PM JUST MAKING A MOTION OFF OF WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM
2:25:00PM THE REPORT WERE, CORRECT?
2:25:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, AND THE REPORT WAS SENT TO US A COUPLE

2:25:03PM OF WEEKS AGO.
2:25:04PM I WAS TRYING TO SAVE TIME.
2:25:06PM YOU WANT TO HEAR A PRESENTATION, FINE.
2:25:07PM I WAS TRYING TO GET A CHARTER AMENDMENT RELATED TO THIS AND
2:25:09PM THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO IT BY ORDINANCE AND
2:25:12PM SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDE, AS THE DOCUMENT SAYS HERE, EXCLUDE
2:25:15PM ITEMS UNDER 100,000 AND ANY RELATED CITY COUNCIL.
2:25:18PM I'M FOLLOWING THOSE GUIDELINES AND PUSHING THE ORDINANCE.
2:25:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. ZELMAN.
2:25:24PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WHAT IS THE WISH OF COUNCIL?
2:25:26PM DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE MEMO OR DO YOU WANT ME TO
2:25:29PM RESPOND TO THAT MOTION OR DO YOU WANT ME JUST TO TAKE THE
2:25:31PM MOTION AND WE'LL BRING YOU BACK SOMETHING IN RESPONSE TO THE
2:25:34PM MOTION?
2:25:34PM I KNOW WE'RE SHORT ON TIME TODAY.
2:25:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS IS STAFF REPORT.
2:25:38PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID HE'S HAPPY WITH IT.
2:25:42PM I'VE LOOKED AT IT, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD STAFF'S SIDE OF IT.
2:25:46PM AND WE HAVE A VIEWING AUDIENCE AND PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN
2:25:48PM CHAMBERS THAT MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THE MEMO.
2:25:50PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: OKAY.
2:25:51PM JUST TO BE CLEAR --
2:25:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT?
2:25:54PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YEAH.
2:25:56PM IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF SIDES VERSUS SIDES.

2:26:00PM THE QUESTION WAS UNDERSTANDING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ROLE WITH
2:26:04PM REGARD TO THE APPROVAL OF SETTLEMENTS.
2:26:06PM AS I EXPLAINED IN THE MEMO, UNDER THE CHARTER, THE CITY
2:26:11PM ATTORNEY HAS MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL OF ALL LEGAL MATTERS OF
2:26:14PM THE CITY.
2:26:16PM LEGAL MATTERS INCLUDE THE SETTLEMENT OF LAWSUITS, WHICH
2:26:20PM TYPICALLY OCCURS IN THE MAJORITY OF CIVIL CASES.
2:26:24PM I WENT ON TO EXPLAIN THAT WE HAVE AT ANY GIVEN TIME HUNDREDS
2:26:29PM OF CASES.
2:26:30PM THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM ARE PERSONAL INJURY LAWSUITS
2:26:35PM ARISING FROM MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS OR TRIP AND FALL ON
2:26:38PM CITY PROPERTY.
2:26:43PM AND I WENT ON TO EXPLAIN THAT WHEN GINA GRIMES TOOK OVER AS
2:26:47PM CITY ATTORNEY IN 2019, SHE ESTABLISHED WHAT I THINK IS A
2:26:51PM VERY GOOD PROCESS WHEREBY WE HAVE A SETTLEMENT COMMITTEE
2:26:54PM MADE UP OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, A DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY,
2:26:58PM REPRESENTATIVES OF RISK MANAGEMENT, AND THEN THE ASSISTANT
2:27:01PM CITY ATTORNEYS THAT ARE ACTUALLY THE TRIAL ATTORNEYS IN
2:27:05PM THESE CASES.
2:27:06PM AND WE REVIEW PROPOSED SETTLEMENTS AT GREAT LENGTH ONCE A
2:27:12PM MONTH.
2:27:14PM AND TYPICALLY, THE TIMING OF THOSE REVIEWS ARE DRIVEN BY THE
2:27:18PM ATTORNEY HAS AN UPCOMING MEDIATION, SO THEY NEED AUTHORITY
2:27:21PM TO HAVE SOME DOLLAR AMOUNT TO PROPOSE AT MEDIATION OR THERE
2:27:25PM IS A HEARING UPCOMING OR WORST-CASE SCENARIO THERE IS A

2:27:28PM TRIAL COMING UP.
2:27:29PM AND AT THOSE SETTLEMENT CONFERENCES, WE GO THROUGH ALL SORTS
2:27:33PM OF DETAILS.
2:27:36PM THE PLAINTIFF'S AGE, THEIR MARITAL STATUS, THEIR EARNING
2:27:40PM CAPACITY BEFORE AND AFTER THE INCIDENT.
2:27:44PM THE CREDIBILITY OF THE WITNESSES.
2:27:49PM ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT FACTOR INTO THE DECISION AS TO HOW
2:27:53PM MUCH ANY PARTICULAR LAWSUIT SHOULD BE SETTLED FOR.
2:27:57PM AND THEN ULTIMATELY REACH A DETERMINATION AND HAVE THAT
2:28:01PM SETTLEMENT AUTHORITY.
2:28:03PM NOW, JUST TO CUT TO THE QUICK, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR.
2:28:08PM CARLSON IS ASKING FOR IS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO BE INVOLVED IN
2:28:14PM APPROVING SETTLEMENTS.
2:28:15PM SO WHAT I HAD SUGGESTED WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF TWO THINGS,
2:28:20PM ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE HE'S COMBINING THEM BOTH, AND
2:28:22PM THAT IS EITHER JUST BRINGING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR SETTLEMENT
2:28:28PM APPROVAL THOSE LAWSUITS THAT INVOLVE AN ACTION THAT COUNCIL
2:28:33PM TOOK.
2:28:34PM AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE SEVERAL YEARS AGO COUNCIL PASSED AN
2:28:37PM ANTI-CONVERSION ORDINANCE THAT WAS FOUND -- ANTI-CONVERSION
2:28:43PM THERAPY ORDINANCE.
2:28:44PM IT WAS FOUND TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
2:28:46PM WE NOW HAVE A DEMAND FOR ATTORNEYS' FEES FOR WHICH THE CITY
2:28:50PM IS LIABLE.
2:28:51PM THE DEMAND IS FOR $2 MILLION.

2:28:54PM WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING THAT SETTLEMENT.
2:28:57PM BUT WHEN WE DO REACH A SETTLEMENT AMOUNT, IT'S GOING TO BE
2:29:01PM PROBABLY PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
2:29:03PM SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO COUNCIL.
2:29:08PM ONE LITTLE PIECE I LEFT OUT OF THIS IS FOR COUNCIL TO
2:29:13PM DISCUSS SETTLEMENTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A SHADE
2:29:17PM MEETING UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES.
2:29:20PM AND THAT'S AN EXEMPTION TO THE GOVERNMENT IN THE SUNSHINE
2:29:23PM LAW WHERE WE HAVE TO NOTICE THE MEETING, BUT THEN WE HAVE IT
2:29:28PM IN PRIVATE WITH JUST YOUR ATTORNEYS PRESENT.
2:29:31PM WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER PRESENT.
2:29:34PM WE DISCUSS THE SETTLEMENT.
2:29:35PM WE REACH AGREEMENT.
2:29:37PM ONCE THE CASE IS CONCLUDED, THAT MEETING, THE TRANSCRIPTS OF
2:29:40PM THAT MEETING BECOME PUBLIC RECORD.
2:29:42PM JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT WOULD BE THE MANNER IN WHICH
2:29:47PM SETTLEMENTS WOULD BE DISCUSSED AT CITY COUNCIL UNLESS YOU
2:29:50PM WERE SIMPLY TO APPROVE A SETTLEMENT ON CONSENT AGENDA.
2:29:55PM AGAIN, IF YOU PULL IT OFF CONSENT, THEN THAT TRIGGERS THE
2:30:00PM SHADE MEETING.
2:30:01PM SO, AGAIN, MY TWO PROPOSALS WERE JUST BRING YOU THE
2:30:05PM SETTLEMENTS THAT PERTAIN TO CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS, I'M
2:30:11PM SORRY.
2:30:11PM AGAIN, AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU PASS, AN ACTION THAT YOU TOOK,
2:30:14PM THE LAND USE THINGS TEND TO COME BACK TO YOU ANYWAY BECAUSE

2:30:17PM TYPICALLY PEOPLE INVOKE THE FLUEDRA PROCESS OR IF THEY FILE
2:30:21PM A PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI, IN ANY EVENT THEY
2:30:26PM TYPICALLY COME BACK TO YOU WITH A NEW PROPOSED REZONING
2:30:29PM PLAN, OR WHATEVER, WHICH YOU THEN HAVE TO APPROVE AT A
2:30:33PM PUBLIC MEETING ANYWAY.
2:30:34PM AND THEN THE OTHER CATEGORY I THINK I REFERRED TO WAS MAYBE
2:30:39PM -- AND I CAN'T THINK OF A PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, BUT SOMETHING
2:30:43PM IN MY GUT TELLS ME THIS MAY HAPPEN SOMEDAY, THAT THERE IS A
2:30:47PM LAWSUIT WHERE MAYBE FUTURE SIMILAR ACTIONS COULD BE
2:30:51PM PREVENTED IF CITY COUNCIL WERE TO ACT LEGISLATIVELY, SO IT
2:30:54PM WOULD MAKE SENSE TO BRING THAT KIND OF SETTLEMENT TO YOU.
2:30:57PM AND THEN MY OPTION TWO -- THANK YOU -- IN THE MEMO WAS,
2:31:03PM AGAIN, JUST GO WITH THE DOLLAR THRESHOLD.
2:31:06PM AND THERE CURRENTLY IS AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS THAT HAS A
2:31:09PM $25,000 OR MORE THRESHOLD.
2:31:12PM MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO INCREASE THAT TO 100,000.
2:31:15PM THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH TWO THINGS.
2:31:18PM ONE, LOOKING TO THE EAST, THAT'S THE THRESHOLD OF MATTERS
2:31:23PM THAT GO TO THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY
2:31:25PM COMMISSIONERS.
2:31:26PM ANYTHING BELOW THAT THEY CAN SETTLE WITHOUT BOARD APPROVAL.
2:31:29PM AND THAT'S ALSO THE THRESHOLD THAT COUNCIL HAS SET FOR
2:31:32PM APPROVAL OF CONTRACTS.
2:31:35PM CONTRACTS OF 100,000 AND ABOVE HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL.
2:31:38PM CONTRACTS BELOW THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO.

2:31:41PM AGAIN, IT SOUNDS AS IF WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS PROPOSING
2:31:46PM IS SORT OF A COMBINATION OF BOTH OF THOSE.
2:31:48PM WE COULD WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT WAY.
2:31:51PM WHATEVER IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
2:31:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:31:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BACK IN MY DAY, I REMEMBER ON THE
2:31:58PM CONSENT AGENDA WE WOULD HAVE -- I KNOW, NOT THAT LONG AGO.
2:32:01PM WE WOULD HAVE LAWSUIT SETTLEMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO
2:32:05PM APPROVE.
2:32:06PM I REMEMBER ONE WAS LIKE $60,000.
2:32:08PM AND THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ON IT.
2:32:09PM IT WAS JUST ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THEN THAT
2:32:12PM DISAPPEARED.
2:32:12PM NOT THAT I RECALL LATELY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, MAYBE THREE
2:32:16PM OR FOUR YEARS, THAT THAT HAS APPEARED ANYMORE.
2:32:19PM WAS THAT AN EXECUTIVE DECISION OR FROM A PAST CITY ATTORNEY?
2:32:23PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I ATTACHED THIS TO THE MEMO.
2:32:26PM BACK IN I BELIEVE 2018, SAL TERRITO HAD WRITTEN A LEGAL
2:32:32PM OPINION.
2:32:33PM AUGUST 16th OF 2018, A LEGAL OPINION INTERPRETING 5.01 TO
2:32:39PM PROVIDE THAT SETTLEMENT OF LAWSUITS DID NOT NEED TO BE
2:32:43PM APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
2:32:46PM AND, THEREFORE, THAT WAS WHEN THEY STOPPED BRINGING THEM.
2:32:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
2:32:50PM ONE LAST QUESTION.

2:32:51PM THIS IS TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON'S MOTION.
2:32:54PM TO DELEGATE CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY AS DEFINED IN THE
2:32:57PM CHARTER, AND IT CITES THE SECTIONS, TO SIGN CONTRACTS FOR
2:33:00PM LAWSUIT SETTLEMENTS UNDER 100,000.
2:33:03PM MEANING THE CHAIRPERSON WOULD SIGN THOSE, CORRECT?
2:33:05PM JUST LIKE WE DO ON ANYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH THE CONSENT
2:33:09PM AGENDA.
2:33:09PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YEAH, SO I'M -- I WOULD WANT TO FLESH OUT
2:33:13PM THIS LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT.
2:33:15PM IT'S VERY RARE -- IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE HAVE A SIGNED
2:33:21PM SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
2:33:21PM TYPICALLY, WHEN CASES SETTLE, THE PLAINTIFF WILL SIGN A
2:33:24PM RELEASE, AND THE CITY WILL PAY.
2:33:27PM SO IT REALLY ISN'T ABOUT SIGNING CONTRACTS OR SIGNING
2:33:31PM SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS; IT'S BASICALLY JUST AUTHORIZING THE
2:33:35PM CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SETTLEMENT AND A PARTICULAR
2:33:40PM DOLLAR AMOUNT.
2:33:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOING BACK TO, SIGNED CONTRACTS FOR
2:33:44PM SETTLEMENTS UNDER A HUNDRED AND TO MAKE PAYMENT FOR THE
2:33:47PM SETTLEMENTS UNDER 100,000 WITHOUT APPEARING BEFORE CITY
2:33:50PM COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
2:33:51PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
2:33:53PM IT DOESN'T COME TO US BUT WE SIGN IT, SO HOW DO WE VOTE ON
2:33:57PM IT?
2:33:58PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU WOULDN'T BE SIGNING.

2:34:00PM YOU WOULDN'T BE SIGNING ANYTHING.
2:34:01PM THE MAYOR WOULDN'T BE SIGNING ANYTHING.
2:34:02PM >> YOU'RE DELEGATING.
2:34:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
2:34:05PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:34:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:34:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M REALLY CONFUSED.
2:34:09PM WE SAT HERE FOR HOURS ON END ON TUESDAY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
2:34:18PM HARDLY ANY QUESTIONS, BUT TODAY WE HAVE A BUNCH OF
2:34:20PM QUESTIONS.
2:34:20PM MS. ZELMAN TALKED ABOUT WHEN YOU NEED TO GO INTO A CLOSED
2:34:29PM SESSION.
2:34:29PM I MADE MENTION OF THAT.
2:34:30PM I MADE MENTION ABOUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
2:34:32PM I MADE MENTION THAT LAWSUITS, PER THE ORDINANCE OR CHARTER,
2:34:36PM WHAT I READ IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL
2:34:39PM FROM HR SO WE KNOW HOW MANY LAWSUITS HAVE BEEN SETTLED.
2:34:42PM I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
2:34:44PM I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LIST THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME.
2:34:49PM IF THEY ARE DOING SETTLEMENTS.
2:34:50PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY SHELBY MADE
2:34:55PM ME AWARE YESTERDAY THAT IN 2006, THE COUNTY APPROVED -- THE
2:35:01PM COUNTY -- THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING
2:35:05PM HR SETTLEMENTS BETWEEN 10,000 AND 25,000 DOLLARS TO BE
2:35:10PM REPORTED TO COUNCIL ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

2:35:13PM APPARENTLY, THE REASON NONE OF US KNEW ABOUT THAT WAS THAT
2:35:16PM MUNICODE NEVER PUBLISHED THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
2:35:21PM SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'S NEVER BEEN FOLLOWED.
2:35:24PM I WOULD STRONGLY -- WHATEVER RESULT COMES FROM TODAY, WE'RE
2:35:29PM GOING TO HAVE TO AMEND THAT PART OF THE CODE ANYWAY.
2:35:32PM I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO REMOVE THAT PART OF
2:35:37PM THE 2006 ORDINANCE.
2:35:40PM I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
2:35:41PM THERE ARE PLAINTIFFS' ATTORNEYS THAT KEEP DATABASES OF WHAT
2:35:45PM DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS WILL PAY FOR A NUISANCE SETTLEMENT.
2:35:50PM IF YOU GET A TRIP AND FALL IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, I CAN
2:35:55PM TAKE YOUR CASE AND I CAN GET YOU $5,000 WITHOUT HAVING TO DO
2:35:58PM ANYTHING.
2:36:01PM THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE.
2:36:03PM BUT THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS ADVERTISE TO THE
2:36:07PM PLAINTIFFS' BAR WHAT WE'RE SETTLING SOME OF THE -- IF I TELL
2:36:11PM YOU HOW MANY CASES WE GET ALL THE TIME, AND THE CASES I'M
2:36:15PM TALKING ABOUT ARE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY FILE SUIT.
2:36:18PM THERE'S THAT MUCH AND MORE THAT GO TO RISK MANAGEMENT THAT
2:36:21PM ARE SETTLED BEFORE A SUIT IS EVEN FILED.
2:36:23PM TO PUBLISH, TO MAKE PUBLIC IN AN EASILY OBTAINABLE DATABASE
2:36:30PM ALL THOSE CLAIMS IS NOT AT ALL IN THE CITY'S INTEREST.
2:36:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN
2:36:38PM WE FIND THAT THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN MUNI OR
2:36:43PM THINGS POSTED DONE.

2:36:45PM I CAN RECALL BACK WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE AUDIT, THAT WAS
2:36:48PM NEVER DONE, BUT VOTED ON AND PASSED BUT HADN'T BEEN
2:36:50PM INPUTTED.
2:36:51PM THESE ARE THE SMALL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, AND WHEN WE
2:36:53PM HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS COUNCIL, IT'S LIKE WE'RE THE BAD
2:36:57PM PERSON.
2:36:57PM WE'RE NOT THE BAD PERSON.
2:36:58PM THIS IS WHAT PUT INTO PLAY, BUT NO ONE IS FOLLOWING THE
2:37:02PM RULES.
2:37:02PM LET ME FINISH, MS. ZELMAN.
2:37:06PM OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE, PROTECT THIS HOUSE OF THE CITY AND
2:37:09PM MAKE SURE THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED.
2:37:10PM SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHEN WE BE BIG BROTHER, DON'T
2:37:14PM FOLLOW THE RULES, THEN WE'RE THE BAD PEOPLE.
2:37:16PM THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE WAY THIS GOVERNMENT IS
2:37:18PM RUNNING HERE.
2:37:20PM WE BRING UP THINGS THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT ARE WRONG, BUT WE
2:37:23PM CONTINUE TO SHOW A BLIND EYE TO THEM.
2:37:25PM AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE BAD, WHEN THAT ISSUE MAY COME UP
2:37:30PM TWO, THREE YEARS.
2:37:31PM EVENTUALLY IT MAY COME UP AGAIN.
2:37:32PM YET, WE DIDN'T FIX IT THE LAST TIME.
2:37:34PM THIS IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE THAT TO ME SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT
2:37:38PM DOING OUR JOB THAT THE PUBLIC ENTRUSTED US TO DO.
2:37:42PM THEY ENTRUST US TO FIX THE ISSUES WHEN THEY COME BEFORE US,

2:37:45PM AND THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOT FIXED.
2:37:48PM TODAY, I SEE THIS ITEM HERE THAT WE COULD HAVE DEALT WITH ON
2:37:51PM TUESDAY.
2:37:51PM WE COULD HAVE DEALT WITH IT.
2:37:54PM THE BOTTOM LINE, SETTLEMENTS NEED TO COME TO THIS COUNCIL SO
2:37:56PM WE CAN KNOW WHAT EVERYONE IS DOING.
2:37:59PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WELL, IF I MAY, ON TUESDAY YOU WERE
2:38:01PM DISCUSSING CHARTER CHANGES.
2:38:02PM THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE A CHARTER CHANGE.
2:38:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SAYING WE COULD HAVE DEALT WITH THIS
2:38:09PM STILL ON TUESDAY.
2:38:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DEAL WITH IT NOW.
2:38:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:38:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT HAPPENED ON TUESDAY IS THAT FOLKS SAID,
2:38:17PM WELL, JUST MAKE IT AN ORDINANCE INSTEAD.
2:38:20PM THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
2:38:21PM I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE IN THIS
2:38:24PM DOCUMENT.
2:38:25PM THE ISSUE WHICH I DESCRIBED THE OTHER DAY IS THAT THERE IS
2:38:29PM THIS 2018 MEMO FROM SAL TERRITO AS CITY ATTORNEY, TWO
2:38:35PM PARAGRAPHS THAT CHANGE THE CHARTER.
2:38:40PM SOME OF THE MEDIA COVERAGE THE OTHER DAY SAID WE WERE TRYING
2:38:43PM TO EXPAND THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
2:38:44PM NO, THIS IS A CASE WHERE IN 2018, A CITY ATTORNEY IN TWO
2:38:48PM PARAGRAPHS TOOK AWAY THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

2:38:50PM AND SO IF YOU LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A COPY OF IT IN A
2:38:54PM SECOND, BUT I HAD MR. SHELBY DO SOME RESEARCH.
2:38:58PM AND THERE'S PLENTY OF EXAMPLES OF THIS.
2:39:00PM BUT IN 2006, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED THAT
2:39:04PM MS. ZELMAN JUST REFERRED TO THAT GIVES THE CITY ATTORNEY
2:39:08PM POWERS BELOW 25,000.
2:39:09PM IF IN 2006 AND PAM IORIO SIGNED IT, IF IN 2006 THE CITY
2:39:17PM COUNCIL DELEGATED AUTHORITY BELOW 25,000 AND NO CHARTER
2:39:20PM AMENDMENTS WERE MADE BETWEEN 2006 AND 2018 IN THAT REGARD,
2:39:24PM WHY DID THE CITY ATTORNEY SUDDENLY MAKE AN OPINION THAT'S
2:39:27PM ADVERSE TO AN ORDINANCE THAT THE MAYOR AT THE TIME IN 2006
2:39:33PM SIGNED AND WAS OKAY WITH?
2:39:34PM SOMETHING ELSE WAS GOING ON.
2:39:37PM WHAT I WANT TO DO -- AND I CAN READ THIS AGAIN.
2:39:39PM I THINK YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF IT.
2:39:40PM WHAT I WANT TO DO BASED ON WHAT YOU ALL SAID THE OTHER DAY
2:39:43PM IS PASS AN ORDINANCE, FOLLOWING MS. ZELMAN'S GUIDELINES, BUT
2:39:46PM THE KEYWORD HERE, I DON'T CARE IF YOU ALL FOLLOW HER ADVICE
2:39:50PM AND MAKE IT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
2:39:51PM I PULLED IT FROM HER.
2:39:53PM IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S FINE WITH
2:39:55PM ME.
2:39:55PM THE NUMBER ONE WORD I WANT IN HERE IS "DELEGATE."
2:39:57PM THAT IS TO PROTECT THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL THAT WERE
2:40:00PM TAKEN AWAY BY THIS 2018 MEMO.

2:40:02PM WE CANNOT ALLOW POWERS TO BE TAKEN AWAY.
2:40:04PM WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY NEW POWERS, BUT THE POINT IS THAT
2:40:07PM IF THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO SIGN CONTRACTS AND PAY
2:40:12PM PAYMENTS, LOOK IN THE CHARTER, 7.02 AND 8.01, WE HAVE THOSE
2:40:17PM POWERS.
2:40:18PM I CAN READ THIS DOCUMENT.
2:40:19PM NOWHERE UNDER THE POWER -- 5.01, NOWHERE IN THE POWERS OF
2:40:23PM THE CITY ATTORNEY DOES IT SAY THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE
2:40:26PM RIGHT TO SIGN CONTRACTS OR PAY PAYMENTS.
2:40:28PM IT SAYS THE CITY CAN NEGOTIATE.
2:40:29PM BUT NEGOTIATE DOES NOT MEAN SIGN CONTRACTS AND PAY.
2:40:32PM JUST LIKE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE CAN NEGOTIATE A LEASE, BUT WE
2:40:35PM HAVE TO APPROVE THE LEASE.
2:40:37PM WE HAVE -- THE MAYOR'S OFFICE CAN NEGOTIATE A SALE OF A
2:40:39PM BUILDING, BUT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT AND THE
2:40:41PM PAYMENT OF IT.
2:40:42PM IF THE CITY ATTORNEY NEEDS FLEXIBILITY ON HR ISSUES, OR
2:40:45PM WHATEVER, WE CAN ADD THAT IN HERE.
2:40:47PM BUT WE MUST HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SUPERSEDES THIS LETTER
2:40:52PM FROM 2018 THAT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT IT'S OUR POWER AND WE'RE
2:40:56PM DELEGATING IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
2:40:57PM THANK YOU.
2:40:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:40:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
2:41:01PM I'M GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID ON TUESDAY,

2:41:05PM WHICH IS I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE IN THE CHARTER IF WE CAN
2:41:08PM LOOK AT IT REASONABLY BY VIRTUE OF ORDINANCE.
2:41:11PM AND I'LL REPEAT WHAT I SAID ON TUESDAY, WHICH IS THAT A LOT
2:41:15PM OF SETTLEMENTS, TO HAVE A POLICY THAT BRINGS ALL CITY OF
2:41:19PM TAMPA SETTLEMENTS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL WOULD PUT AT RISK OUR
2:41:24PM LEGAL CLAIMS AND WOULD SUBJECT THE CITY TO MORE LAWSUITS.
2:41:29PM PLAINTIFFS' ATTORNEYS -- I'VE NEVER BEEN ONE.
2:41:32PM I'VE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR 19 YEARS, ALWAYS DONE DEFENSE
2:41:35PM WORK.
2:41:35PM GOD BLESS THE PLAINTIFFS BAR.
2:41:38PM BUT THEY HAVE SITES THAT TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN GET FROM
2:41:41PM DIFFERENT INSURANCE COMPANIES, FROM DIFFERENT CORPORATE
2:41:43PM ENTITIES, FROM DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTAL BODIES, ET CETERA.
2:41:45PM IF WE START TO PUBLISH THAT INFORMATION THROUGH CITY COUNCIL
2:41:49PM SETTLEMENT SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL QUESTIONING, IT WILL BE A
2:41:52PM GIANT "KICK ME" SIGN ON THE BEHIND OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR
2:41:57PM THE PLAINTIFF'S BAR.
2:41:59PM THAT'S A FACT.
2:42:00PM WHENEVER YOU DEAL WITH SETTLEMENTS, YOU'RE ALSO DEALING WITH
2:42:02PM THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL.
2:42:05PM THE IMPRESSION THAT A PLAINTIFF MAKES.
2:42:07PM THE IMPRESSION THAT A DEFENDANT DRIVER MAKES OR A CITY OF
2:42:11PM TAMPA EMPLOYEE.
2:42:13PM SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY KNOWS ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE
2:42:15PM CASE THAT IS NOT PUBLIC YET THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE

2:42:18PM PUBLIC, BUT THE FORMS, THE RATIONALE FOR A SETTLEMENT.
2:42:21PM DIVING SO DEEP INTO THOSE ISSUES, AGAIN, THIS ORDINANCE
2:42:26PM PROPOSED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, 100% FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S
2:42:29PM REASONABLE AND IT PICKS THOSE CASES THAT ARE LARGER OR THE
2:42:32PM ONES THAT ORIGINATE FROM OUR ACTIONS, I'M 100% FINE WITH
2:42:36PM THAT, BUT IT SAVES THE CITY AGAIN FROM HAVING THAT GIANT
2:42:39PM "KICK ME" SIGN ON THE BEHIND FROM MORGAN AND MORGAN.
2:42:44PM GOD BLESS MORGAN AND MORGAN.
2:42:45PM I HAVE A LOT OF CASES WITH THEM.
2:42:47PM THANK YOU.
2:42:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:42:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:42:49PM WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CITY ATTORNEY.
2:42:51PM IT'S NOT 2018 ANYMORE.
2:42:53PM I DISAGREE WITH THE OPINION OF 2018, AND I THINK THIS IS THE
2:42:57PM RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY.
2:43:00PM AGAIN, I MENTIONED WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, WE WOULD SEE THE
2:43:04PM SETTLEMENTS, 60,000, 50,000, SMALLER AMOUNTS, BUT THEY WOULD
2:43:07PM COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
2:43:10PM SEE THEM.
2:43:11PM I NEVER REMEMBER ANY TYPE OF DISCUSSION; HOWEVER, IT WAS IN
2:43:15PM PLAIN VIEW.
2:43:16PM SOMEBODY COULD PULL THE AGENDA AND SAY, "OH, THEY ARE
2:43:18PM SETTLING FOR WHATEVER."
2:43:19PM AND THEY KNEW ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF NOT BEING VISIBLE AS IT

2:43:23PM USED TO BE BEFORE.
2:43:23PM SO I DISAGREE WITH THE OPINION OF THE FORMER CITY ATTORNEY.
2:43:27PM I THINK THIS IS WISE AND IN THE NAME OF TRANSPARENCY, AND IT
2:43:32PM JUST TAKES US BACK TO HOW THINGS USED TO BE WHEN IT WAS MORE
2:43:37PM TRANSPARENT EARLY ON WHEN I GOT ELECTED.
2:43:39PM AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS.
2:43:41PM SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.
2:43:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:43:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY.
2:43:46PM I BELIEVE MR. GUDES WAS BEFORE ME.
2:43:48PM I WAS BLOCKING HIM.
2:43:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AM I RECOGNIZED, SIR?
2:43:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:43:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
2:43:56PM AND I REFLECT BACK ON TUESDAY.
2:44:00PM A CHARTER VERSUS AN ORDINANCE.
2:44:02PM LIKE A SHELL GAME.
2:44:03PM THIS IS NO DIFFERENT, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD -- AND IT
2:44:09PM SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD TODAY
2:44:14PM WITH MR. CARLSON'S ORDINANCE, A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
2:44:17PM TO ME IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN 6.03, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
2:44:21PM APPOINTMENTS VERSUS THE CHARTER VERSUS AN ORDINANCE.
2:44:24PM SO I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO
2:44:31PM BRING THE APPOINTMENT SITUATION BACK AS AN ORDINANCE, MR.
2:44:33PM SHELBY.

2:44:34PM I NEED YOU TO GET ME THE LANGUAGE FOR THAT, BECAUSE I WILL
2:44:36PM BE MAKING A MOTION AS IT RELATES TO BRINGING THAT BACK
2:44:40PM BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO PLAY THE SHELL GAME OF WE DON'T
2:44:43PM WANT TO TOUCH THE CHARTER, THE CONSTITUTION, VERSUS AN
2:44:45PM ORDINANCE SITUATION TO CHANGE THINGS, THEN I'LL PLAY THE
2:44:48PM GAME.
2:44:48PM BUT TO ME IT'S A SHELL GAME THAT I SEE THAT'S GOING ON HERE.
2:44:52PM I WILL SUPPORT BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORITY SHOULDN'T BE
2:44:56PM TAKEN AWAY.
2:44:56PM WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DELEGATE.
2:45:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:45:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WITH THIS NEW ORDINANCE THAT IS BEING
2:45:05PM PROPOSED SUPERSEDE THIS 2006, 100?
2:45:10PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YEAH.
2:45:10PM SO THE CONCEPT WOULD BE TO AMEND THAT PART OF THE CODE,
2:45:14PM WHICH CURRENTLY SETS THE LIMITS AT 25,000, AND THEN AGAIN
2:45:18PM TALKS ABOUT THE REPORTS ON THINGS BETWEEN 10 AND 25.
2:45:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, SO THAT'S --
2:45:24PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: -- TO AMEND THAT.
2:45:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
2:45:27PM GOOD.
2:45:27PM I'M LOOKING AT THE CLEANUP OF THIS.
2:45:29PM THAT WOULD CLEAN THAT UP.
2:45:30PM EXCELLENT.
2:45:31PM THANK YOU.

2:45:31PM THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.
2:45:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY MORE CONVERSATION?
2:45:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE NO PROBLEM -- [INAUDIBLE]
2:45:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
2:45:43PM TO CLARIFY, WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
2:45:47PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF I MAY, I'M READING
2:45:51PM MR. CARLSON'S MOTION, AND, AGAIN, MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO
2:45:56PM AMEND CHAPTER 2, THE WAY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT -- SOME OF THE
2:46:04PM LANGUAGE IN HERE I'M NOT SURE IS RELEVANT.
2:46:08PM SO IT WOULD BE -- BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WHEN WE BRING BACK
2:46:11PM A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
2:46:12PM NEVER MIND.
2:46:13PM I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION.
2:46:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ALSO.
2:46:20PM IN TERMS OF SUPERSEDING, ORDINANCES USUALLY SAY SUPERSEDE
2:46:23PM PREVIOUS ORDINANCES, BUT DO WE ALSO NEED TO PUT IN THERE
2:46:26PM SPECIFICALLY THAT IT WOULD SUPERSEDE THE 2018 OPINION?
2:46:31PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I THINK I'M GOING TO NEED TO PROVIDE YOU
2:46:33PM WITH SOMETHING, BASICALLY REVISING AND RESTATING THE 2018
2:46:37PM MEMO.
2:46:38PM I'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
2:46:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
2:46:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, CLARIFY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE
2:46:46PM FLOOR MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THAT WAS SECONDED BY
2:46:49PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

2:46:49PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:46:54PM ANY OPPOSED?
2:46:55PM THANK YOU.
2:46:56PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, AGENDA ITEM 14, THAT WAS YOUR MOTION.
2:47:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, GUDES-MANISCALCO.
2:47:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:47:07PM FILE CM22-74625.
2:47:25PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
2:47:25PM LONG TIME NO SEE.
2:47:27PM ITEM NUMBER 14, YOU ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE
2:47:32PM COULD COME UP WITH WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP WITH THE PROBATE --
2:47:37PM HELP RESIDENTS WITH PROBATE PROCESS.
2:47:40PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU AND I HAD CONVERSATION ON OR BRIEFING
2:47:43PM EARLIER THIS WEEK.
2:47:44PM I MAINTAIN THAT THE PROBATE PROCESS IS A PRIVATE LEGAL
2:47:48PM MATTER THAT THE CITY CANNOT INTERFERE WITH.
2:47:51PM WE ARE WORKING -- MET WITH -- ATTORNEY JOHNS, ABBYE FEELEY
2:48:00PM AND MYSELF MET WITH KELLA McCASKILL THAT HAD SOME IDEAS ON
2:48:04PM WHAT WE COULD DO WITH PROBATE PROCESS.
2:48:07PM A LOT OF IT IS BEING PROACTIVE AND MAKING SURE THE CITIZENS
2:48:12PM AND RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE WITH PROPERTY
2:48:15PM BEFORE IT ACTUALLY ENTERS INTO THE PROBATE.
2:48:19PM THE IMPORTANCE OF ESTATE PLANNING.
2:48:21PM AS A PART OF OUR TENANT SERVICES TEAM, WE ARE WORKING WITH
2:48:25PM MS. McCASKILL TO PUT ON A WORKSHOP IN SECOND QUARTER OF

2:48:31PM 2023.
2:48:31PM WE PUT OUT SOME DATES.
2:48:33PM HOPING TO HAVE IT AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, AND WE
2:48:36PM HAVE A DRAFT AGENDA FOR WHAT THAT DAY MAY LOOK LIKE.
2:48:41PM ALL OF THAT IS REALLY PREMISED AROUND BEING PROACTIVE,
2:48:45PM EDUCATING CITIZENS ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN -- WELL,
2:48:49PM DIFFERENCES IN ESTATE PLANNING.
2:48:50PM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WILL, A TRUST, AND HOW DO WE HANDLE
2:48:54PM REAL ESTATE.
2:48:55PM THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ON THE BRIEFING THIS WEEK, WE
2:48:59PM TALKED ABOUT CLOUDED TITLE OR KEEPING PROPERTIES IN
2:49:03PM CIRCULATION, PARTICULARLY IN HOUSING, AND ONE OF THE THINGS
2:49:07PM THAT I SHARED WITH YOU IS THAT DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR ALIS
2:49:15PM DRUMGO IS WORKING ON SETTING UP A CLT.
2:49:18PM YOU'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT SOON.
2:49:20PM THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
2:49:21PM THE CITY SHOULD NOT, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND STRONGLY AGAINST
2:49:25PM IT, ENTERING INTO PRIVATE LEGAL MATTERS TO FIGURE OUT
2:49:29PM PRIVATE ISSUES REGARDING REAL PROPERTY.
2:49:34PM HOWEVER, IF WE WERE IN A POSITION WHERE WE WANTED CLEAN
2:49:38PM TITLE, GET THAT PROPERTY AND BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN A CLT TO
2:49:41PM PROTECT IT FOR AFFORDABILITY AT A LATER TIME, THOSE ARE
2:49:44PM THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
2:49:45PM SO THERE IS A FINE LINE THAT WE HAVE TO WALK REGARDING A
2:49:49PM PUBLIC PURPOSE AND NOT PAYING FOR PRIVATE SERVICES FOR

2:49:56PM PRIVATE BENEFIT.
2:50:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I RESPOND?
2:50:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:50:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TELLING
2:50:06PM ME.
2:50:07PM I STILL CONTEND THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME TYPE OF PILOT PROGRAM
2:50:11PM WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME DOLLARS WITH SOME CRITERIA FOR THOSE
2:50:14PM INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INDIGENT, WHO ARE HAVING ISSUES THAT
2:50:18PM CAN'T EVEN GET TO COURT, WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND A PROCESS.
2:50:24PM YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE HOUSES THAT HAVE BECOME
2:50:28PM DILAPIDATED OR HAVE SQUATTERS IN THERE INCURRING CODE FINES
2:50:33PM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
2:50:35PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO --
2:50:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN
2:50:39PM NAVIGATE SOME OF THAT.
2:50:40PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WHEN YOU'RE TALKING LIKE THAT, IT PUTS ME
2:50:44PM IN THE REAL ESTATE MIND.
2:50:45PM WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SQUATTERS AND BLIGHTED PROPERTY,
2:50:48PM IN THE CRA WORLD, YOU PURCHASE PROPERTIES FOR STRATEGIC
2:50:51PM ACQUISITION.
2:50:51PM AND IF I WAS TRYING TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY THAT'S ENCUMBERED
2:50:55PM WITH MULTIPLE HEIRS -- LIKE THE TITLE IS KIND OF CLOUDED.
2:50:58PM YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THAT STUFF OUT.
2:51:00PM THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE CRA TO PLAY THAT WE COULD PROBABLY
2:51:02PM OUTSOURCE WITH AN ATTORNEY TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THAT.

2:51:05PM THOSE THINGS TAKE A REALLY LONG TIME.
2:51:07PM YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR PEOPLE, HUNT DOWN RECORDS.
2:51:09PM BUT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE IN THAT IS TO ELIMINATE THE BLIGHT,
2:51:14PM AND IT IS A STRATEGIC ACQUISITION.
2:51:17PM AND WHAT I'M SAYING TO DO THAT, WE SHOULD NOT BE CLEARING
2:51:20PM THE TITLE SO THAT THE HEIRS CAN THEN DO WHATEVER WITH THE
2:51:26PM PROPERTY.
2:51:26PM OUR PUBLIC PURPOSE WOULD BE TO CLEAN UP THAT BLIGHT, CLEAR
2:51:29PM THE TITLE SO THAT THE CITY CAN PURCHASE THE PROPERTY FREE
2:51:33PM AND CLEAR.
2:51:34PM PERHAPS PUT IT INTO A CLT.
2:51:36PM IT'S MULTI-TRANSACTIONAL.
2:51:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M ALONG THE SAME LINE.
2:51:40PM I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
2:51:41PM BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A PROCESS TO GET THEM THERE.
2:51:43PM THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
2:51:45PM I BELIEVE THE WAY PROCESS TO GET THEM THERE STRATEGICALLY,
2:51:50PM THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW TO KNOW, WE CAN HELP THEM KNOW.
2:51:53PM THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO.
2:51:55PM I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP WITH A GENTLEMAN THAT
2:51:58PM THE CITY WAS IN CONTRACT WITH IN REFERENCE TO THOSE TYPE OF
2:52:01PM ISSUES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
2:52:03PM HOPEFULLY DURING THAT MEETING WE CAN CLEAR UP A LOT OF THAT
2:52:06PM AS WELL.
2:52:06PM MY UNDERSTANDING IS SOMEBODY IS ON THE CONTRACT AS

2:52:08PM REFERENCED TO DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE HOUSES OR
2:52:11PM PROPERTIES THAT HAVE SO MANY LIENS ON THEM.
2:52:13PM IT ALL INTERTWINES A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
2:52:20PM I'M HOPING DURING THAT DISCUSSION WE WILL GET A LITTLE MORE
2:52:23PM INFORMATION.
2:52:24PM WHATEVER YOU CAN COME UP WITH, MS. TRAVIS, I KNOW YOU HAVE A
2:52:28PM LOT ON YOUR PLATE.
2:52:29PM I KNOW YOU DO.
2:52:30PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I'M GOOD.
2:52:31PM I'M RELAXED NOW.
2:52:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: PEOPLE CAN TELL SOMETHING IS COMING.
2:52:36PM EVERYTHING TAKES A MOMENT.
2:52:38PM YOU GUYS ARE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE BECAUSE OF THIS CRISIS.
2:52:40PM BUT WHEN I HEAR THINGS AND SEE OTHER PLACES DOING THINGS, I
2:52:47PM CAN'T NEGATE MY DUTIES BY BRINGING THESE THINGS TO THE
2:52:51PM FOREFRONT AND TO YOU TO SEE WHAT CAN WE DO, NOT WHAT WE
2:52:51PM CAN'T DO.
2:52:51PM I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR.
2:52:54PM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN
2:52:56PM FINALLY GET SOMETHING MOVING FOR OUR CITIZENS WHO ARE IN
2:52:59PM NEED.
2:53:00PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THE ONLY THING I -- AGAIN, I LIKE TO SET
2:53:04PM EXPECTATIONS, REDEVELOPMENT IS A LONG PROCESS.
2:53:06PM THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE QUICK.
2:53:08PM BUT AS WE RAMP UP, LIKE YOU HAVE CHARGED US WITH, WITH THE

2:53:13PM CRA TO START LOOKING AT STRATEGIC ACQUISITIONS, WE WILL
2:53:16PM START LOOKING AT THAT.
2:53:18PM YOU LOOK AT PROBLEM PROPERTIES, AND WE'LL BEGIN DOING THAT.
2:53:22PM WHAT IS COMING BEFORE YOU SOON IS THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST
2:53:26PM AND DECISIONS YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE WITH THAT.
2:53:28PM THESE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN WE GET PROPERTIES LIKE THAT TO
2:53:30PM KEEP THEM IN CIRCULATION, AND ALSO CONTROL THE AFFORDABILITY
2:53:36PM PIECE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME OR, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONGER
2:53:39PM PERIOD OF TIME.
2:53:39PM THE CLT IS THE WAY TO PURCHASE PROPERTY, CAPTURE IT, AND
2:53:44PM KEEP IT IN THERE.
2:53:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ME GOING TO CHICAGO WASN'T IN VAIN.
2:53:49PM WE BROUGHT BACK A STRATEGY AND HOPEFULLY IMPLEMENT THAT
2:53:53PM STRATEGY.
2:53:53PM AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
2:53:55PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU.
2:53:56PM ANYTHING ELSE?
2:53:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE
2:53:59PM STAFF REPORT?
2:54:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:54:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:54:01PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SHARE.
2:54:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM 15, FILE NUMBER CM22-76543.
2:54:19PM MS. FEELEY.
2:54:19PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR,

2:54:23PM DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
2:54:24PM ITEM NUMBER 15 ON YOUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON IS DEALING WITH
2:54:30PM THE LETTER SUBMITTED BY ISABELLA TASSI ABOUT THE UNIVERSITY
2:54:35PM OF TAMPA AND PLANT PARK.
2:54:38PM I'M HERE WITH REBECCA JOHNS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, WE'VE
2:54:43PM BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE UNIVERSITY TO RENEGOTIATE
2:54:45PM SEVERAL LEASES THAT THE CITY HAS WITH UT THAT WERE ACTUALLY
2:54:49PM FROM 1972.
2:54:50PM AND THEY WERE 50-YEAR LEASES, AND THEY ARE NOW UPON US FOR
2:54:54PM RENEWAL.
2:54:55PM SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT.
2:54:57PM THOSE LEASES INCLUDE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MATTERS BETWEEN
2:55:00PM THE CITY AND THE UNIVERSITY.
2:55:02PM ONE OF THEM IS THE MATTER OF RESERVING THE PARK.
2:55:07PM WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ON THAT, AND THOSE LEASE
2:55:11PM AGREEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU IN
2:55:13PM APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS, SO I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY GO
2:55:17PM INTO DETAIL ON WHAT THOSE ARE.
2:55:19PM WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT PROCESS, WHAT THE CURRENT PROCESS IS,
2:55:22PM HOW PEOPLE RESERVE THAT.
2:55:25PM ALSO WHERE THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE PLANT PARK
2:55:28PM FACILITY IN TERMS OF PARKING, RESTROOMS, THINGS THAT SOME OF
2:55:30PM OUR CITY -- TRADITIONAL CITY PARKS HAVE THAT PLANT PARK DOES
2:55:35PM NOT.
2:55:35PM SO IF YOU WOULD AFFORD US THAT TIME TO FINISH THOSE

2:55:38PM NEGOTIATIONS, WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU WITH THAT AND HAPPY
2:55:40PM TO DISCUSS THAT.
2:55:41PM I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
2:55:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:55:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
2:55:52PM AND FOR DISCLOSURE, I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
2:55:54PM I THINK A COUPLE OF US DID.
2:55:56PM I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE UNIVERSITY PROGRAM -- THE CITY HAS
2:56:01PM CONTROL OVER PROGRAMMING.
2:56:03PM IF THE CITY WANTED TO HAVE A BIG CONCERT THERE, UT DOESN'T
2:56:05PM HAVE ANY SAY IN THAT?
2:56:08PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THEY WOULD.
2:56:08PM WE LEASE THE PARK TO THE UNIVERSITY, AND THERE ARE
2:56:13PM CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH THAT LEASE EXISTS.
2:56:15PM AND IF SOMEBODY DOES MAKE A REQUEST FOR THAT PARK, IT HAS TO
2:56:18PM GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURES THE UNIVERSITY CURRENTLY HAS,
2:56:22PM INCLUDING INSURANCE, LIABILITY, RESERVATIONS, SOME OTHER
2:56:25PM THINGS.
2:56:25PM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, KIND OF TRUEING UP AND WHAT
2:56:30PM THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR ANYONE TRYING TO RESERVE THE PARK.
2:56:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
2:56:33PM I'LL LET YOU TELL US THE NEXT TIME.
2:56:34PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.
2:56:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:56:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. FEELEY, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT

2:56:39PM YESTERDAY.
2:56:39PM WAITING FOR IT TO COME BACK.
2:56:41PM AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, A LOT OF THESE LONGTIME LEASES ARE
2:56:45PM EXPIRING NOW AND THE TIMES ARE CHANGING NOW, AND WE HAVE TO
2:56:47PM UPDATE IT.
2:56:48PM I APPRECIATE THE REPORT AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COME BACK
2:56:51PM WITH THE REPORT OR THE LEASE AGREEMENTS.
2:56:53PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.
2:56:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU WERE THE MAKER OF THE
2:56:56PM MOTION, DOES THIS REPORT SATISFY YOU?
2:56:58PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:57:00PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
2:57:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 44 AND 45, I MOVE THEM BOTH.
2:57:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY.
2:57:16PM MR. VIERA HAS PUBLIC SET OF.
2:57:19PM HOWEVER, YOU WERE THE VICE-CHAIR.
2:57:22PM MR. VICE-CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU
2:57:27PM PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
2:57:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE ITEMS 20 THROUGH 35.
2:57:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:57:33PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:57:34PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:57:34PM THANK YOU.
2:57:35PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION.
2:57:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE]

2:57:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:57:43PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:57:45PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:57:46PM THANK YOU.
2:57:47PM MS. HURTAK -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS.
2:57:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I MOVE ITEMS 39 THROUGH 43.
2:57:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
2:57:57PM HURTAK.
2:57:57PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:57:58PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:57:59PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:58:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
2:58:03PM I MOVE 44 AND 45.
2:58:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:58:07PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:58:09PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:58:10PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUILDING AND ZONING.
2:58:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 46 THROUGH 53.
2:58:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
2:58:25PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:58:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:58:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO I NEED TO READ?
2:58:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:58:30PM THAT WAS MY NEXT STATEMENT.
2:58:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO -- PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE

2:58:35PM HELD -- THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 53, BF22-78225.
2:58:38PM A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD REGARDING A PROPOSED
2:58:42PM BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION FOR THE REHABILITATION AND
2:58:44PM REDEVELOPMENT OF ONE PARCEL APPROXIMATELY 3.75 ACRES IN SIZE
2:58:48PM LOCATED AT 1000 WEST FIG STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33606.
2:58:52PM THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD IN THE BAYSHORE BOARD ROOM
2:58:56PM OF THE SHERATON HOTEL LOCATED AT 200 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE,
2:58:59PM TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602, ON NOVEMBER 28, 2022 AT 5:30 P.M.
2:59:04PM UNTIL NOT LATER THAN 6:30 P.M.
2:59:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:59:08PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
2:59:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
2:59:11PM I MOVE ITEMS 54 THROUGH 56.
2:59:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
2:59:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:59:17PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:59:19PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:59:22PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:59:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO SET ITEM 57, SU 1-22-60-C,
2:59:29PM REVIEW HEARING TO BE SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 15, 2022, AT
2:59:33PM 1:30 P.M.
2:59:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:59:36PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:59:37PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:59:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE

2:59:41PM 9:30 ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.
2:59:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
2:59:46PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:59:47PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:59:47PM THANK YOU.
2:59:48PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 58, FILE HL22-76263.
3:00:05PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
3:00:06PM ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
3:00:08PM THERE WAS A FULL PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM AT ITS FIRST
3:00:11PM READING.
3:00:11PM I'M STILL AVAILABLE TODAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
3:00:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:00:17PM SEEING NONE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:00:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WAS SIGNING THE ITEM MR. GUDES GAVE ME.
3:00:27PM THAT WAS NUMBER 58.
3:00:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
3:00:33PM I AM SORRY.
3:00:33PM WE NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
3:00:35PM IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
3:00:37PM MY APOLOGIES.
3:00:39PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:00:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:00:42PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:00:44PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:00:44PM THANK YOU.

3:00:45PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:00:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE NUMBER 58, HL22-76263, ORDINANCE
3:00:54PM BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
3:00:56PM ORDINANCE IN CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, DESIGNATING BUSTILLO
3:01:01PM BROTHERS AND DIAZ CIGAR FACTORY LOCATED AT 2111 NORTH ALBANY
3:01:07PM AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
3:01:10PM SECTION 3 HEREOF AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, PROVIDING FOR
3:01:15PM REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
3:01:18PM DATE.
3:01:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:01:20PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:01:21PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:01:22PM EXCUSE ME.
3:01:24PM VOTE AND RECORD.
3:01:25PM WORKING AGAIN.
3:02:00PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:02:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WERE YOU THINKING ABOUT
3:02:10PM COFFEE WHEN YOU READ THIS?
3:02:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WAS THINKING ABOUT CAFE BUSTILLO.
3:02:18PM IN FACT, I BOUGHT SOME THE OTHER DAY.
3:02:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE AGENDA 59, NUMBER HTX22-77593.
3:02:34PM >>ELAINE LUND: ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
3:02:37PM AGAIN, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM AT ITS FIRST
3:02:41PM READING.
3:02:41PM I'M AVAILABLE TODAY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

3:02:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
3:02:44PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT
3:02:49PM WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:02:50PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:02:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:02:53PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:02:54PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:02:56PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:02:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE HTX22-77593, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
3:03:03PM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:03:04PM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX
3:03:07PM EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,
3:03:10PM RENOVATION OR REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY
3:03:13PM KEVIN B AND WHITNEY M WOODS LOCATED AT 818 SOUTH ORLEANS
3:03:18PM AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, IN THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT
3:03:22PM BASED UPON CERTAIN FINDINGS; PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO THE
3:03:25PM PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY; PROVIDING FOR
3:03:26PM SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
3:03:29PM CONFLICT; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:03:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:03:40PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:03:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:03:43PM AGENDA ITEM 60, FILE NUMBER HTX22-77594.
3:03:52PM >>ELAINE LUND: ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
3:03:54PM COUNCIL, THIS ITEM AGAIN WAS PRESENTED TO YOU AT ITS FIRST

3:03:58PM PUBLIC READING.
3:03:59PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM AVAILABLE.
3:04:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:04:02PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENTS?
3:04:07PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:04:08PM >> SECOND.
3:04:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:04:11PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:04:12PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:04:13PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:04:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER HTX22-77594, ORDINANCE BEING
3:04:21PM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
3:04:24PM APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION
3:04:28PM APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION, RENOVATION, OR
3:04:32PM REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY RICCARDO REIMERS
3:04:39PM AND SHALIDA JOHNSON LOCATED AT 5421 (SIC) WEST DALE AVENUE,
3:04:45PM TAMPA, FLORIDA IN THE BEACH PARK MULTIPLE PROPERTIES
3:04:48PM DESIGNATION LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, BASED UPON CERTAIN
3:04:51PM FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF
3:04:54PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING
3:04:57PM FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN
3:05:00PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:05:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:05:03PM >> EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR.
3:05:06PM CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

3:05:08PM THE OTHER ONE WAS SUBSTITUTE.
3:05:10PM THE ADDRESS IS 4521.
3:05:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: APOLOGIES, 4521.
3:05:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:05:24PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:05:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:05:27PM AGENDA ITEM 61, FILE VAC-22-20.
3:05:33PM THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
3:05:38PM ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TESTIMONY OR GIVING ANY
3:05:43PM EVIDENCE TO ANY OF THE REMAINING CASES, COULD YOU PLEASE
3:05:45PM STAND TO BE SWORN IN?
3:05:56PM >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
3:05:58PM DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT
3:06:00PM TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
3:06:02PM >> I DO.
3:06:03PM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
3:06:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DID SEE PEOPLE IN LINE BEING SWORN IN
3:06:07PM ALSO.
3:06:07PM MR. SAMONS.
3:06:11PM >>ROSS SAMONS: VAC-22-20 FOR SECOND READING.
3:06:16PM THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING.
3:06:19PM THE PROPOSAL TO VACATE THE ALLEYWAY LYING NORTH OF COLUMBUS
3:06:22PM DRIVE, SOUTH OF 17th AVENUE, EAST OF 29th STREET AND
3:06:27PM WEST OF THE CSX RAILROAD WITHIN THE CORRECTED MAP OF
3:06:30PM GREENVILLE SUBDIVISION.

3:06:31PM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
3:06:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
3:06:35PM SEEING NONE, MA'AM, ARE YOU THE APPLICANT?
3:06:40PM >> YES, I AM.
3:06:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER TESTIMONY YOU WOULD
3:06:43PM LIKE TO GIVE?
3:06:44PM >> NONE.
3:06:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:06:46PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO GIVE ANY
3:06:50PM COMMENT TO THIS?
3:06:50PM I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE PERSON ONLINE, BUT THAT PERSON -- OH,
3:06:56PM NO.
3:06:56PM YOU ARE HERE.
3:06:57PM >> THAT'S ME.
3:06:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S YOU.
3:07:00PM >> I COULDN'T DO IT THIS MORNING, SO I CAME IN.
3:07:05PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:07:06PM >> SECOND.
3:07:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:07:09PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:07:12PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:07:13PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:07:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:07:18PM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
3:07:21PM ADOPTION.

3:07:21PM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
3:07:24PM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
3:07:27PM AT NORTH OF COLUMBUS DRIVE, SOUTH OF 17th AVENUE, EAST OF
3:07:31PM 29th STREET AND WEST OF THE CSX RAILROAD WITHIN THE
3:07:34PM CORRECTED MAP OF GREENVILLE SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF
3:07:37PM TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED
3:07:39PM IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
3:07:43PM CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
3:07:45PM HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
3:07:48PM VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND
3:07:50PM REPEALING CONFLICTS.
3:07:52PM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:07:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:07:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
3:07:56PM MANISCALCO.
3:07:57PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:07:58PM PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
3:08:03PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
3:08:05PM ABSENT AT VOTE.
3:08:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:08:07PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 62, FILE NUMBER VAC-22-21.
3:08:11PM MR. SAMONS.
3:08:13PM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
3:08:17PM PRESENTING FILE NUMBER VAC-22-21.
3:08:20PM THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST BEING PRESENTED FOR

3:08:23PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:08:25PM IT IS PROPOSED VACATING OF THE ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF
3:08:28PM 23rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF 24th AVENUE, EAST OF THE CSX
3:08:31PM RAILROAD AND WEST OF 31st STREET WITHIN THE PLAT OF LITTLE
3:08:35PM CUBA SUBDIVISION.
3:08:36PM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
3:08:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:08:39PM I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE.
3:08:44PM >>THE CLERK: THEY WERE ONLINE BUT THEY ARE NO LONGER THERE.
3:08:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO LEARNING THERE.
3:08:49PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:08:53PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:08:54PM >> SECOND.
3:08:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO ONE?
3:08:55PM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:08:57PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:08:58PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:08:59PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:09:01PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:09:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: NUMBER 62.
3:09:13PM I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
3:09:16PM ADOPTION, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
3:09:18PM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
3:09:21PM NORTH OF 23rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF 24th AVENUE, EAST OF THE
3:09:24PM CSX RAILROAD AND WEST OF THE 31st STREET WITHIN THE PLAT

3:09:27PM OF LITTLE CUBA SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
3:09:30PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
3:09:32PM IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
3:09:36PM CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
3:09:38PM HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
3:09:40PM VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND
3:09:42PM REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING
3:09:45PM AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:09:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
3:09:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:09:49PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:09:50PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:09:58PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:09:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:10:00PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 63, FILE NUMBER VAC-22-23.
3:10:04PM MR. SAMONS.
3:10:06PM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
3:10:09PM PRESENTING FILE VAC-22-23.
3:10:11PM THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST BEING PRESENTED FOR
3:10:14PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:10:16PM THIS PROPOSED VACATING IS AN ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF
3:10:19PM GLADYS STREET, SOUTH OF WARREN AVENUE, EAST OF NEVADA AVENUE
3:10:22PM AND WEST OF OLA AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF BEN-HUR
3:10:25PM SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:10:26PM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

3:10:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
3:10:31PM APPLICANT?
3:10:33PM >> NOTHING FURTHER.
3:10:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:10:34PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
3:10:36PM THIS?
3:10:38PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:10:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:10:41PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:10:42PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:10:43PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:10:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR.
3:10:47PM LIKE TO MOVE NUMBER 63, FILE NUMBER VAC-22-23, ORDINANCE
3:10:53PM BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:10:54PM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
3:10:56PM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
3:10:59PM NORTH OF GLADYS STREET, SOUTH OF WARREN AVENUE, EAST OF
3:11:03PM NEVADA AVENUE, AND WEST OF OLA AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT OF
3:11:07PM BEN-HUR SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
3:11:10PM COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
3:11:13PM HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND
3:11:16PM RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN,
3:11:19PM PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS,
3:11:22PM PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING
3:11:25PM CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN

3:11:27PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:11:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:11:30PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:11:31PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:11:36PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:11:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:11:40PM WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 64, FILE REZ-22-58.
3:11:52PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:11:53PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
3:11:56PM LOCATION 2806 EAST ELLICOTT STREET.
3:11:59PM PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO
3:12:02PM IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
3:12:04PM THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN NO SITE PLAN WAS NEEDED.
3:12:10PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:12:11PM ANY QUESTIONS?
3:12:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:12:15PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE?
3:12:16PM NOBODY IS HERE.
3:12:19PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:12:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE DON'T HAVE A PETITIONER.
3:12:31PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:12:32PM >> SECOND.
3:12:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
3:12:36PM MANISCALCO.
3:12:36PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

3:12:37PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:12:43PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:12:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:12:50PM FILE NUMBER 64, REZ-22-58, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
3:12:55PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:12:56PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3:12:58PM 2806 EAST ELLICOTT STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND
3:13:02PM MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED FROM SECTION 1, ZONING DISTRICT
3:13:05PM CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, TO IG,
3:13:08PM INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:13:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:13:13PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:13:15PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:13:24PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:13:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:13:27PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 65, FILE REZ-22-85.
3:13:34PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:13:37PM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND LOCATION AT LOCATION 1242
3:13:41PM CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 629 AND 635 NORTH 12th STREET.
3:13:45PM PROPOSED REZONING FROM CD-2, CHANNEL DISTRICT 2, TO PD,
3:13:50PM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, STOREFRONT
3:13:54PM RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND OFFICE.
3:13:55PM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
3:13:59PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:14:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?

3:14:01PM MS. SCHALER, I SEE YOU ONLINE.
3:14:08PM YOU WERE SWORN IN, CORRECT?
3:14:09PM >> I WAS NOT UNMUTED DURING THE SWEARING, SO I PROBABLY NEED
3:14:13PM TO BE SWORN IN.
3:14:14PM >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
3:14:16PM DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT
3:14:18PM TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
3:14:22PM >> I DO.
3:14:25PM ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
3:14:29PM APPLICANT.
3:14:30PM AS MENTIONED, WE RECEIVED APPROVAL ON FIRST READING
3:14:33PM OCTOBER 6, AND WE MADE ALL OF THE REQUESTED REVISIONS AND
3:14:35PM RESUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN.
3:14:37PM I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND WE RESPECTFULLY
3:14:39PM REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
3:14:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:14:41PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:14:45PM SEEING NONE --
3:14:51PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:14:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:14:54PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:14:56PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:14:57PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:14:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:15:00PM REZ-22-85.

3:15:04PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:15:06PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3:15:08PM 1242 CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 629 AND 635 NORTH 12th STREET
3:15:14PM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
3:15:16PM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION
3:15:19PM CD-2, CHANNEL DISTRICT 2, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
3:15:23PM RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL
3:15:26PM AND OFFICE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND ALSO DO WE NEED
3:15:30PM TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION WITH IT?
3:15:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AFTER WE TAKE THE VOTE.
3:15:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:15:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:15:36PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:15:37PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:15:42PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:15:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, CAN YOU READ THE
3:15:45PM RESOLUTION, PLEASE?
3:15:47PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:15:48PM YOU WANT ME TO READ IT OR MOVE IT?
3:15:54PM MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
3:15:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY
3:15:59PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:16:00PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:16:01PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:16:02PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 66, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-94.

3:16:14PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:16:16PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
3:16:18PM THE LOCATION 2211 NORTH 65th STREET.
3:16:22PM PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS 50 RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO
3:16:25PM IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
3:16:27PM THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN WAS REQUIRED.
3:16:31PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:16:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:16:33PM COMMENTS?
3:16:34PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:16:38PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:16:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:16:40PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:16:42PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:16:43PM THANK YOU.
3:16:45PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:16:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
3:16:48PM AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
3:16:50PM VICINITY OF 2211 NORTH 65th STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
3:16:55PM FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM
3:16:59PM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATIONS RS-50, RESIDENTIAL
3:17:02PM SINGLE-FAMILY, TO IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, PROVIDING AN
3:17:06PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:17:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:17:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

3:17:09PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:17:11PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:17:17PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:17:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:17:20PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 67, FILE NUMBER SU2-22-08.
3:17:26PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:17:28PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
3:17:31PM THE LOCATION 3911 NORTH BOULEVARD.
3:17:35PM THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 PERMIT FOR APPROVING A DENTAL
3:17:39PM CLINIC IN A RESIDENTIAL OFFICE RO ZONING DISTRICT.
3:17:43PM THE SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S
3:17:45PM OFFICE.
3:17:46PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:17:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:17:49PM THANK YOU.
3:17:51PM PETITIONER?
3:17:52PM I DON'T SEE ANYONE THAT'S ONLINE.
3:18:03PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:18:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:18:05PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:18:06PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:18:06PM THANK YOU.
3:18:07PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:18:11PM EXCUSE ME, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:18:13PM I'M SORRY, MANISCALCO.

3:18:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
3:18:16PM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
3:18:19PM ADOPTION.
3:18:19PM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2, APPROVING
3:18:23PM A DENTAL CLINIC IN AN RO RESIDENTIAL OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT
3:18:26PM IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3911 NORTH BOULEVARD IN THE CITY
3:18:29PM OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
3:18:32PM SECTION 1, HEREOF, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:18:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:18:37PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:18:38PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:18:44PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:18:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:18:46PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 68.
3:18:49PM FILE NUMBER SU2-22-10.
3:18:54PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:18:56PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
3:18:58PM THE LOCATION 3402 HENDERSON BOULEVARD.
3:19:03PM THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 PERMIT APPROVING A PLACE OF
3:19:06PM RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IN AN RM-24 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
3:19:10PM ZONING DISTRICT.
3:19:11PM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
3:19:14PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:19:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:19:16PM DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE?

3:19:31PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:19:34PM >> SECOND.
3:19:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
3:19:37PM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN -- I ALREADY ASKED.
3:19:46PM IS THE APPLICANT HERE?
3:19:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S TRUE.
3:19:48PM PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
3:19:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO THIS?
3:19:52PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:19:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:19:57PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:19:58PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:19:59PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:20:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
3:20:02PM MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
3:20:04PM ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2,
3:20:09PM APPROVING A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IN A RM-24,
3:20:14PM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL
3:20:16PM VICINITY OF 3402 HENDERSON BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
3:20:19PM FLORIDA, AND AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
3:20:22PM HEREOF, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:20:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:20:25PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:20:27PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:20:33PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

3:20:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:20:35PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 69, FILE REZ-22-06.
3:20:42PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:20:44PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
3:20:46PM THE LOCATION 407 EAST PALM AVENUE.
3:20:51PM PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, TO
3:20:54PM PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
3:20:58PM AND BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
3:21:00PM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
3:21:04PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:21:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
3:21:06PM PETITIONER?
3:21:10PM >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:21:12PM WILLIAM MALLOY, 325 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
3:21:15PM I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING USEFUL FOR YOU.
3:21:17PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM.
3:21:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES
3:21:22PM TO SPEAK TO THIS?
3:21:23PM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:21:27PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:21:28PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:21:29PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:21:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM 69,
3:21:40PM FILE REZ-22-06, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
3:21:43PM AND ADOPTION.

3:21:44PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3:21:46PM 407 EAST PALM AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
3:21:49PM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
3:21:52PM CLASSIFICATION RM-24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, TO PD,
3:21:55PM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND
3:21:58PM BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL OFFICE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:22:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:22:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:22:04PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:22:05PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:22:12PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:22:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:22:15PM FILE NUMBER -- EXCUSE ME, AGENDA ITEM 70, FILE REZ-22-29.
3:22:25PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:22:27PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
3:22:31PM LOCATIONS 304, 306, 308 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE.
3:22:37PM PROPOSED REZONING FROM CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD, PLANNED
3:22:42PM DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
3:22:44PM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
3:22:47PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:22:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:22:50PM PETITIONER?
3:22:52PM >> AZAM ELSHEIKH, GLOBAL ENGINEERING, 2302 NORTH HIGHLAND
3:22:57PM AVENUE.
3:22:57PM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

3:23:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:23:00PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
3:23:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:23:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:23:07PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:23:09PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:23:09PM THANK YOU.
3:23:11PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:23:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:23:13PM ITEM NUMBER 70, FILE REZ-22-29, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
3:23:18PM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:23:19PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3:23:21PM 304, 306, 308 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
3:23:26PM FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
3:23:29PM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TO
3:23:33PM PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
3:23:35PM ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:23:38PM >> SECOND.
3:23:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:23:41PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:23:42PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:23:49PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:23:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:23:51PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 71, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-31.
3:23:58PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

3:23:59PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT A
3:24:02PM LOCATION 4848 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD AND 9214 NORTH HYALEAH
3:24:10PM ROAD.
3:24:10PM THIS PROPOSED REZONING FROM CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND
3:24:13PM RM 24 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
3:24:17PM AIR-CONDITIONED STORAGE AND COMMERCIAL COMMUNICATION TOWER.
3:24:22PM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
3:24:25PM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:24:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
3:24:27PM PETITIONER?
3:24:28PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
3:24:30PM JIM PORTER WITH AKERMAN, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
3:24:34PM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
3:24:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
3:24:36PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
3:24:38PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:24:39PM >> SECOND.
3:24:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:24:41PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:24:44PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:24:45PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:24:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: REZ-22-31, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
3:24:51PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:24:52PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3:24:54PM 4848 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD AND 9214 NORTH HYALEAH ROAD IN THE

3:25:01PM CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
3:25:03PM SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CI, COMMERCIAL
3:25:08PM INTENSIVE, AND RM-24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, TO PD,
3:25:12PM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AIR-CONDITIONED STORAGE AND COMMERCIAL
3:25:15PM COMMUNICATION TOWER; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:25:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:25:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:25:19PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:25:21PM PLEASE VOTE AND RECORD.
3:25:27PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:25:29PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
3:25:30PM >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
3:25:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:25:34PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:25:36PM ALL IN FAVOR.
3:25:38PM THANK YOU.
3:25:39PM AGENDA ITEM 72, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-35.
3:25:46PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:25:48PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
3:25:50PM THE LOCATION 4208 WEST CARMEN STREET.
3:25:55PM THIS PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-50, RESIDENTIAL,
3:25:58PM SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
3:26:01PM SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
3:26:03PM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
3:26:06PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

3:26:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
3:26:10PM PETITIONER?
3:26:12PM >> AZAM ELSHEIKH, GLOBAL ENGINEERING, 2302 NORTH HIGHLAND
3:26:16PM AVENUE.
3:26:16PM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
3:26:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:26:20PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
3:26:22PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:26:23PM >> SECOND.
3:26:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:26:25PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:26:27PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:26:28PM THANK YOU.
3:26:29PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:26:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER REZ-22-35, ORDINANCE BEING
3:26:34PM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:26:36PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3:26:38PM 4208 WEST CARMEN STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND
3:26:42PM MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING
3:26:45PM DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
3:26:48PM TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
3:26:52PM ATTACHED; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:26:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:26:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:26:57PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

3:26:58PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:27:04PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:27:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:27:05PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 73, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-97 (SIC).
3:27:15PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: 22-92.
3:27:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 92.
3:27:18PM EXCUSE ME.
3:27:20PM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: THANK YOU.
3:27:20PM ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:27:22PM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
3:27:24PM THE LOCATION 209 AND 211 SOUTH GOMEZ AVENUE.
3:27:29PM PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, TO
3:27:34PM PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
3:27:36PM ATTACHED.
3:27:37PM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
3:27:40PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, IF NEEDED.
3:27:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
3:27:43PM PETITIONER?
3:27:45PM IS.
3:27:45PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
3:27:46PM RYAN MANASSE, JOHNSON POPE, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
3:27:50PM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND WE WOULD RESPECT YOUR
3:27:52PM APPROVAL.
3:27:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
3:27:53PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?

3:27:56PM SEEING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:28:02PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:28:03PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:28:04PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:28:05PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:28:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
3:28:10PM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
3:28:13PM ADOPTION.
3:28:14PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3:28:16PM 209 AND 211 SOUTH GOMEZ AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
3:28:20PM FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
3:28:22PM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16, RESIDENTIAL,
3:28:24PM MULTIFAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
3:28:26PM SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:28:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:28:33PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:28:35PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
3:28:41PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3:28:43PM >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
3:28:44PM >> SECOND.
3:28:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY COUNCILMAN
3:28:47PM MANISCALCO.
3:28:48PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:28:49PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:28:50PM THANK YOU.

3:28:51PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 74, FILE NUMBER HPC 2022-02-C.
3:29:06PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:29:06PM CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
3:29:10PM ITEM NUMBER 74 IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW REGARDING A DECISION
3:29:15PM THAT WAS MADE BY ONE OF THE LAND USE BOARD HEARINGS,
3:29:18PM SPECIFICALLY HPC 2022-02 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1314
3:29:25PM SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE.
3:29:27PM THE PETITIONER IN THIS CASE ASKED A REQUEST OF THE HISTORIC
3:29:32PM PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION STATUS FOR
3:29:35PM THE PROPERTY AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, 1314 SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE.
3:29:39PM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HEARD THE REQUEST ON
3:29:43PM JUNE 14th, 2022, AND DENIED THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE
3:29:49PM DESIGNATION OF THE STATUS OF THE PROPERTY FROM CONTRIBUTING
3:29:53PM TO NONCONTRIBUTING.
3:29:55PM BASED UPON THE PROPERTY MEETING THE NATIONAL REGISTER
3:29:59PM BULLETIN NUMBER 15, SPECIFICALLY CRITERIA C, AND THAT THE
3:30:02PM PROPERTY MAINTAINS ITS ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES TO CONVEY
3:30:07PM ENOUGH SIGNIFICANCE AND HOLDS ON TO THE ASPECTS OF THE
3:30:10PM INTEGRITY THAT ARE VITAL.
3:30:12PM I PREVIOUSLY HANDED CITY COUNCIL OR TO CITY COUNCIL'S
3:30:18PM ATTORNEY CODE SECTION 27-261 SUBSECTION J.2.A, 27-261
3:30:27PM SUBSECTION I, THE NATIONAL REGISTER BULLETIN, NUMBER 15, I
3:30:30PM PROVIDED SAMPLE MOTIONS AND ALSO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE IN
3:30:34PM ORDER TO CONDUCT THE HEARING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
3:30:36PM THE STANDARD FOR REVIEW FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS

3:30:41PM BASED UPON CITY CODE SECTION 27-61 SUBSECTION J, SUBSECTION
3:30:47PM 2, WHICH STATES THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE A DE NOVO
3:30:50PM STANDARD OF REVIEW IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THIS REVIEW HEARING.
3:30:53PM THAT MEANS THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT BE LIMITED IN ITS
3:30:56PM REVIEW TO THAT INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE THAT
3:30:59PM WAS PROVIDED TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IN
3:31:03PM ORDER TO MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION.
3:31:05PM STAFF PRESENT THIS AFTERNOON IS MS. ELAINE LUND.
3:31:09PM SHE WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND THE
3:31:13PM BASIS OF THE BOARD'S DECISION.
3:31:15PM UPON HEARING ALL OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE, CITY COUNCIL
3:31:19PM CAN TAKE A NUMBER OF ACTIONS.
3:31:21PM CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE HISTORIC
3:31:24PM PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND DENY THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE
3:31:28PM DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
3:31:31PM NONCONTRIBUTING BASED UPON THE PROPERTY MEETING THE CRITERIA
3:31:35PM ESTABLISHED IN NATIONAL REGISTER OF BULLETIN NUMBER 15.
3:31:39PM CITY COUNCIL CAN REMAND THE MATTER BACK TO THE HISTORIC
3:31:42PM PRESERVATION COMMISSION WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTION OR CITY
3:31:47PM COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE HISTORIC
3:31:50PM PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THEREFORE GRANT THE REQUEST TO
3:31:54PM CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
3:31:58PM NONCONTRIBUTING BASED UPON THE PROPERTY NOT MEETING THE
3:32:02PM CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE.
3:32:05PM AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO STAFF.

3:32:09PM >>ELAINE LUND: ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
3:32:16PM AS CAMARIA STATED, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
3:32:21PM THERE WE GO.
3:32:28PM I SEE THAT YOU ARE SEEING IT ON YOUR SCREEN BUT IT'S TOTALLY
3:32:32PM DIFFERENT IN FRONT OF ME HERE.
3:32:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, WE ARE.
3:32:35PM >>ELAINE LUND: SO AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE STATED, 1314 SOUTH
3:32:43PM DESOTO AVENUE, WE'RE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, CLASSIFIED AS
3:32:46PM A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO BOTH THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
3:32:50PM DISTRICT ON THE NATIONAL AND THE LOCAL LEVEL.
3:32:56PM THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS AFFORDS THE STRUCTURE PROTECTION
3:32:59PM FROM DEMOLITION AND MAKES SURE IT IS PRESERVED IN ACCORDANCE
3:33:02PM WITH OUR LOCAL AND FEDERAL PRESERVATION STANDARDS.
3:33:09PM THE APPLICANT TODAY MADE -- HE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD BEFORE
3:33:15PM YOU TODAY, EXCUSE ME, MADE A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE STATUS
3:33:17PM FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING, AND THE HISTORIC
3:33:22PM PRESERVATION COMMISSION HEARD THIS -- THANK YOU -- REQUEST
3:33:26PM AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ABLE TO -- SORRY, THE HISTORIC
3:33:31PM PRESERVATION COMMISSION HEARD THIS REQUEST AND THEN THE HPC
3:33:36PM DECIDED AT ITS PUBLIC HEARING SO THE PETITIONERS FILED FOR
3:33:41PM REVIEW.
3:33:42PM IT'S LOCATED IN THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT AGAIN.
3:33:44PM IT'S CLOSE TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT,
3:33:48PM YOU CAN SEE AN ARROW POINTING TO IT.
3:33:50PM IT'S ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY FROM HOWARD AVENUE, AND BAYSHORE

3:33:53PM BOULEVARD.
3:33:56PM THE SITE WAS -- THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1921.
3:34:02PM IT'S SHOWING ON THE 1922 SANBORN PRIOR INSURANCE COMPANY
3:34:07PM MAP, ON THE WEST SIDE, AND THEN ON THE PRESENT DAY AERIAL ON
3:34:10PM THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
3:34:12PM THE SANBORN MAP INDICATES THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING,
3:34:16PM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WAS CONSTRUCTED OUT OF SOME SORT OF
3:34:19PM MASONRY CONSTRUCTION AND CLAY TILE.
3:34:23PM THE SECOND STORY INDICATED IN THE YELLOW IS A WOOD FRAME
3:34:32PM SECOND STORY PORTION, AND IT WAS MOST LIKELY USED AS A
3:34:37PM SLEEPING PORCH.
3:34:38PM YOU CAN LIKELY SEE A SMALL PORCH IN YELLOW THERE AS THE
3:34:44PM SOUTH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, AND INTERESTINGLY,
3:34:47PM THIS HOUSE ALSO HAD AN ENCLOSED GARAGE TO ITS REAR.
3:34:54PM THIS IS A MAP OF HYDE PARK FROM ABOUT 1923.
3:34:59PM THE ROAD THAT GOES FROM THE TOP LEFT OF THE SCREEN TO THE
3:35:02PM BOTTOM RIGHT IS HOWARD AVENUE, AND THEN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD
3:35:06PM IS KIND OF OFF TO YOUR RIGHT ON THE SIDE THERE.
3:35:09PM SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH HISTORIC FABRIC REGARDING IN PLACE
3:35:17PM REGARDING HYDE PARK AT THIS TIME.
3:35:19PM THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE IN THAT
3:35:22PM PHOTOGRAPH, AND IT'S PRESENT-DAY APPEARANCE HERE.
3:35:28PM MOST NOTABLY, THE SECOND STORY HAS EXPANDED SINCE 1923.
3:35:36PM SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN MAKE OUT A BIT IN THE AERIAL
3:35:41PM PHOTOGRAPH.

3:35:44PM THE FRONT PORCH AREA IN THE FRONT FACING -- SORRY -- THIS IS
3:35:49PM ON THE CORNER OF DESOTO AND HILLS, AND THE BUILDING LOOKS
3:35:52PM LIKE IT'S FACING HILLS AVENUE AND ADDRESS ON DESOTO AVENUE,
3:35:56PM SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A ONE-STORY PORTION ALONG HILLS
3:35:59PM AVENUE THAT TODAY IS A TWO-STORY PORTION.
3:36:03PM THE 1931 SANBORN MAP SHOWS THAT THE SECOND STORY HAS BEGUN
3:36:09PM TO SORT OF EXPAND A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS HILLS AVENUE.
3:36:13PM THAT YELLOW AREA IS A BIT LARGER THAN IT WAS IN 1922.
3:36:18PM AND THEN IN 1976, WE PRETTY MUCH SEE THE SAME THING, THE MAP
3:36:24PM IS BLACK AND WHITE THEN BUT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES
3:36:27PM TO THE FOOTPRINT OR THE DESCRIPTION NOTATED ON THE BUILDING.
3:36:35PM IN 1984 AND 1985, THE SURVEY FOR THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
3:36:44PM DISTRICT AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION WERE WRITTEN,
3:36:48PM SUBMITTED, AND ACCEPTED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
3:36:52PM THIS PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS FROM THE 1984 SITE FILE FORM,
3:36:59PM WHEN THE BUILDING WAS DOCUMENTED IN 1984 AND DETERMINED AT
3:37:03PM THAT TIME THAT IT WAS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE
3:37:06PM DISTRICT, AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE THE PRESENT-DAY PHOTO
3:37:10PM ON THE LEFT THERE SHOWING HOW THE TWO COMPARE.
3:37:16PM ONE NOTABLE CHANGE IS THAT THE GARAGE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON
3:37:21PM THE LEFT, TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PICTURE AND THE RIGHT, WAS
3:37:24PM ENCLOSED AT SOME POINT BETWEEN 1984 AND TODAY.
3:37:30PM THESE ARE JUST PICTURES OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING,
3:37:33PM AND THE EAST ELEVATION AND THE NORTH.
3:37:40PM SO THE MAP ON YOUR LEFT, THE ONE IN COLOR, SHOWS YOU THE --

3:37:47PM THIS IS THE NATIONAL REGISTER MAP OF THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
3:37:51PM DISTRICT, AND THEY ARE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ ESPECIALLY
3:37:55PM WHEN WORKING WITH THINGS WHERE IT STANDS IN PAST DECADES
3:38:00PM HERE, BUT THE BLUE LINE SHOWING THE NATIONAL REGISTER
3:38:02PM DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
3:38:04PM THE RED SHOWS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
3:38:07PM THE YELLOW IS AN INTERESTING CATEGORY CALLED CONTRIBUTING
3:38:09PM BUT ALTERED STRUCTURES.
3:38:11PM AND THEN THE BLUE SHOWS THE NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
3:38:16PM WHEN THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS ADOPTED IN 1988, WITHIN
3:38:22PM THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, ALL OF THE
3:38:25PM CONTRIBUTING ALTERED STRUCTURES WERE SIMPLIFIED TO BE
3:38:29PM CONTRIBUTING.
3:38:33PM ONE THING OF NOTE ABOUT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IS THAT WHEN
3:38:42PM YOU HAVE A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S A REGULATORY TOOL,
3:38:46PM AND WE USE THE CODE AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE
3:38:51PM DISTRICT TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT AS A
3:38:55PM WHOLE.
3:39:00PM THE ALTERED BUILDINGS THAT WERE STILL CONSIDERED TO BE
3:39:06PM CORRECTING WERE DETERMINED TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL AND
3:39:08PM LOCAL HISTORIC TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, SO THE CHANGES TO THE
3:39:12PM BUILDINGS WERE NOTED.
3:39:14PM HOWEVER, THEY WERE MADE CONTRIBUTING TO ENCOURAGE THE
3:39:17PM REHABILITATION.
3:39:19PM SO FOR THE LOCAL TAX PROGRAM, ANY OTHER EXTERIOR WORK, THE

3:39:26PM ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION WOULD BE THE BOARD IN CHARGE
3:39:29PM OF OVERSEEING THE CHANGES TO ENSURE THAT ANY WORK WOULD BE
3:39:33PM DONE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.
3:39:36PM THESE ARE JUST THE MAPS AS THEY WERE UPDATED THROUGH THE
3:39:39PM YEARS.
3:39:40PM WE DO MINOR CHANGES TO THE MAPS TO REFLECT ANY NEW
3:39:44PM CONSTRUCTION IN THE DISTRICT, ANY DEMOLITIONS.
3:39:48PM IN 1992 THE BUILDING WAS STILL SHOWN AS CONTRIBUTING AND IN
3:39:52PM 2017 OUR LATEST UPDATE TO THE MAP IT WAS STILL SHOWN AS
3:39:55PM CONTRIBUTING.
3:39:57PM SO WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT ITSELF IS
3:40:03PM CONSIDERED THE SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY, AND IT'S A
3:40:07PM CONCENTRATION OF STRUCTURES UNITED.
3:40:10PM HISTORICALLY OR AESTHETICALLY BY THE PLAN OR DEVELOPMENT AND
3:40:14PM THE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS IN THE DISTRICTS MADE THEMSELVES
3:40:16PM LACK INDIVIDUAL DISTINCTION.
3:40:20PM THIS HOUSE ON ITS OWN WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD
3:40:22PM LOOK AT AS A POTENTIAL HISTORIC LANDMARK.
3:40:29PM THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT IS LARGELY A RESIDENTIAL
3:40:34PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:40:35PM THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL SUPPORT USES WITHIN IT.
3:40:38PM IT HAS A WIDE VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND CONTAINS A
3:40:42PM MIX OF HIGH SCHEDULE BUILDINGS AND OTHER STRUCTURES.
3:40:48PM 1314 SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE IS CLASSIFIED AS A CONTRIBUTING
3:40:52PM STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THE TIME IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT

3:40:55PM RETAINED MOST OF ITS ORIGINAL PHYSICAL CHARACTERS AND COULD
3:40:58PM BE RETURNED WITH A REASONABLE EFFORT AND COST TO ITS
3:41:01PM HISTORIC FORM.
3:41:05PM THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION THAT HAS THE CONTRIBUTING
3:41:13PM ALTERED STATUS IN IT WENT ON TO ELABORATE THAT IT GAVE
3:41:18PM EXAMPLES SUCH AS ENCLOSING PORCHES, MAKING ENTRANCE TO
3:41:24PM ADDITIONS, THESE SORTS OF CHANGES TO A BUILDING WOULD MAKE
3:41:28PM IT ALTERED, BUT NOTED THAT THE ALTERED BUILDINGS WERE
3:41:31PM ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS.
3:41:36PM THE ARC REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO LOCALLY FOR THE
3:41:41PM AD VALOREM TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, ENSURES THAT THE
3:41:46PM STRUCTURES WILL BE APPROPRIATELY REHABILITATED AND ENABLED
3:41:50PM TO CHANGE FOR THEIR CONTINUED USE.
3:41:55PM AS STATED MANY OF THE STRUCTURES DO EXHIBIT SOME DEGREE OF
3:41:59PM MODIFICATION, BUT THE OVERALL HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE
3:42:02PM DISTRICT IS MAINTAINED THROUGH THE COLLECTION OF THE
3:42:08PM EXHIBITING CONTRIBUTORS STRUCTURES, AND LOSS OF CONTRIBUTING
3:42:12PM STRUCTURES UNDERMINES THE INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT AND
3:42:15PM DIMINISHES THE LEGITIMACY.
3:42:19PM TO SORT OF RECAP, THE REQUEST IS FOR A CHANGE IN STATUS FROM
3:42:24PM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING, AND THE HPC HEARD THIS
3:42:29PM REQUEST ON JUNE 14th OF THIS YEAR AND DETERMINED THAT
3:42:34PM 1314 SOUTH DESOTO -- SORRY, DETERMINED BY STAFF THAT 1314
3:42:42PM SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE WAS BUILT DURING THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
3:42:45PM DISTRICT PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE 1985

3:42:48PM NOMINATION FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER-LISTED HYDE PARK
3:42:51PM HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DETERMINED TO BE CONTRIBUTING BUT AT
3:42:54PM ERRED, AND IT HAS BEEN SHOWN AS CONTRIBUTING ON ALL MAPS FOR
3:42:57PM BOTH THE LOCALLY DESIGNATED AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF
3:43:00PM HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR HYDE PARK.
3:43:03PM THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE STRUCTURES HAS BEEN CONSISTENT.
3:43:07PM ALTERATIONS TO THE TWO ELEVATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE ENCLOSURE
3:43:12PM OF THE GARAGE WERE IN PLACE AT THE TIME THE STRUCTURE WAS
3:43:16PM ORIGINALLY DETERMINED TO BE ELIGIBLE AS CONTRIBUTING, AND
3:43:19PM THEREFORE STAFF CONSIDERS THAT ITS INTEGRITY HAS BEEN
3:43:22PM MAINTAINED.
3:43:25PM THE HPC SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN FOR YOU, MRS. PETTIS-MACKLE
3:43:33PM STATED, MOVED TO -- VOTED TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
3:43:41PM AND THE HPC MOTION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS
3:43:45PM THAT STAFF MADE TO THE HPC IN JUNE.
3:43:49PM AND BASED ON THE RESEARCH AND EVIDENCE AT 1314 SOUTH DESOTO
3:43:52PM AVENUE SHOULD RETAIN ITS STATUS AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE
3:43:55PM TO THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
3:43:58PM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION NOW.
3:44:03PM AT THIS TIME, WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD?
3:44:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A COMMENT BY STAFF.
3:44:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID THE PROPERTY WAS ELIGIBLE FOR TAX
3:44:14PM INCENTIVES BECAUSE OF ITS STATUS.
3:44:16PM DO YOU KNOW IF THE CURRENT OWNER, ANY RECENT OWNERS HAVE
3:44:20PM BENEFITED FROM TAX DEDUCTIONS?

3:44:23PM >>ELAINE LUND: I AM KNOW IT AWARE THAT HAPPENED AT THIS
3:44:25PM PROPERTY, NO.
3:44:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: DOES THAT MEAN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN OR YOU JUST
3:44:28PM DON'T KNOW?
3:44:29PM >>ELAINE LUND: I DON'T KNOW.
3:44:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
3:44:31PM NO STAFF IS HERE THAT WOULD KNOW THAT, RIGHT?
3:44:34PM OKAY.
3:44:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:44:38PM PETITIONER?
3:44:38PM >> WE HAVE A PowerPoint TO LOAD, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
3:44:59PM JAMIE MAYOR REPRESENTING APPLICANT, 101 EAST KENNEDY
3:45:03PM BOULEVARD, AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
3:45:08PM I AM TRYING TO PUT THE THUMB DRIVE IN.
3:45:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO
3:45:27PM THIS AGAIN, EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN SWORN IN THAT IS
3:45:32PM GOING TO GIVE ANY TYPE OF TESTIMONY?
3:45:36PM THANK YOU.
3:45:56PM STILL WAITING FOR I.T. TO BRING UP YOUR PowerPoint.
3:45:59PM >> PRESS PC.
3:46:06PM >>JAIME MAIER: IT CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME.
3:46:17PM IN THE MEANTIME, WE DISTRIBUTED PACKET WITH COPIES OF THE
3:46:27PM PowerPoint AS WELL AS A COPY OF A LETTER FROM MR. SAL
3:46:31PM FLEISCHMAN ALTHOUGH HE'S HERE TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY LATER IN
3:46:34PM OUR PRESENTATION AND ALSO LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM

3:46:36PM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND A MAP SHOWING WHERE THOSE
3:46:39PM LETTERS ORIGINATED FROM.
3:46:41PM SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE THAT.
3:47:09PM ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US ON THAT.
3:47:12PM AS STAFF EXPLAINED, THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW OF THE
3:47:15PM DECISION OF THE HPC TO CHANGE THE STATUS OF THE 1314 SOUTH
3:47:18PM DESOTO PROPERTY FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING IN THE
3:47:22PM HYDE PARK DISTRICT.
3:47:25PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAIN ELEVATIONS OF THIS STRUCTURE, THE
3:47:29PM WORD CONTRIBUTING EVEN IN ITS MOST BASIC SENSE AND IN ITS
3:47:33PM HISTORIC SENSE DOES NOT COME TO MIND.
3:47:35PM ACCORDINGLY, THIS IS A DECISION THAT THE HPC STRUGGLED TO
3:47:39PM MAKE.
3:47:39PM IT WAS A SPLIT 3-2 DECISION.
3:47:42PM HOWEVER, THE FIRST MOTION TO DENY FAILED.
3:47:45PM THE SECOND MOTION WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE.
3:47:48PM THAT FAILED.
3:47:49PM AFTER A LOT OF DELIBERATION, THERE WAS A RENEWED MOTION TO
3:47:53PM DENY WHICH ONLY PASSED BECAUSE ONE MEMBER WHO HAD BEEN
3:47:57PM ABSTAINING VOTED WITHOUT COMMENT.
3:47:58PM SO THE ULTIMATE DECISION WAS TO JUST MAINTAIN THE STATUS
3:48:01PM QUO.
3:48:02PM IT HAD BEEN LABELED CONTRIBUTING BEFORE.
3:48:04PM THE EVIDENCE THAT, WELL, IT HAD BEEN LABELED CONTRIBUTING ON
3:48:08PM ALL THE OTHER MAPS, THEREFORE IT MUST BE CONTRIBUTE

3:48:10PM CONTRIBUTING.
3:48:11PM THAT IS NOT THE STANDARD.
3:48:13PM AS YOU HAVE HEARD, THERE IS AN EXPRESS STANDARD WHICH I WILL
3:48:18PM GET INTO LATER, BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL HAD HPC HAD TO
3:48:23PM OFFER AS YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT AND MATERIALS THERE.
3:48:26PM ISN'T MUCH ELSE ON THE THAN A FOOTPRINT ON A SANBORN MAP
3:48:28PM WHICH AGAIN IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH.
3:48:31PM IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING MORE.
3:48:35PM SO I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME MORE PHOTOS OF THIS SITE TO
3:48:39PM FURTHER DEMONSTRATE, NOT ONLY IS IT NOT CONTRIBUTING, IT
3:48:44PM DETRACTS FROM WHAT'S AROUND IT AND MANY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID
3:48:48PM AS MUCH.
3:48:50PM IT IS NOT ON PAR WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE HYDE PARK
3:48:53PM DISTRICT THAT RIGHTFULLY HAVE THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS AND
3:48:57PM THE PROTECTION THAT THAT STATUS AFFORDS.
3:49:00PM IT IS UNDISTINGUISHED STRUCTURE AND IT IS A MESS, IT IS A
3:49:05PM FRANKENSTEIN OF ADDITIONS SPANNING DECADE.
3:49:10PM NOW, ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AS STAFF MENTIONED,
3:49:14PM THERE WAS A LIST SUBMITTED WHEN THIS DISTRICT WAS PREPARED,
3:49:19PM A LIST OF ALL THE STRUCTURES IN HYDE PARK WITHIN THE
3:49:22PM DISTRICT, AND EACH STRUCTURE WAS DESCRIBED WITH A
3:49:24PM CONTRIBUTING -- WHETHER CONTRIBUTING OR NOT AND THIS
3:49:28PM STRUCTURE WAS DESCRIBED AS AN UNDISTINGUISHED BOXY TWO-STORY
3:49:32PM VERNACULAR DRAWING.
3:49:33PM AS YOU WILL HEAR FROM MR. FLEISCHMAN THAT IS NOT AN

3:49:37PM IDENTIFIED ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC
3:49:40PM DISTRICT.
3:49:40PM ALSO AGAIN IT WAS LABELED ALTERED BUT CONTRIBUTING.
3:49:43PM THE ALTERATIONS ARE CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE
3:49:45PM INCONSISTENT WITH THE STRUCTURE'S CHARACTER.
3:49:48PM THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER REALLY HAS NEVER BEEN DEFINED.
3:49:51PM IT WAS NEVER A NOTEWORTHY STRUCTURE IN AND OF ITSELF.
3:49:54PM AGAIN, FOOTPRINTS ON A SANBORN MAP DOESN'T REALLY SAY
3:49:58PM ANYTHING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE.
3:49:59PM SO BETWEEN ALTERATIONS WHICH MR. FLEISCHMAN WILL ALSO
3:50:02PM DESCRIBE AND ITS UNDISTINGUISHED ORIGINAL FORM, OUR
3:50:08PM INVENTORY SAYS THIS WAS NOT AND IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING
3:50:11PM STRUCTURE.
3:50:12PM HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF THAT HISTORIC HYDE PARK INVENTORY.
3:50:16PM THIS IS JUST A LITTLE CROSS SECTION OF PROPERTIES IN HYDE
3:50:19PM PARK UP AND DOWN WHAT USED TO BE CALLED DeSOTO PARK
3:50:23PM AVENUE.
3:50:23PM AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF THESE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE A
3:50:28PM SPECIFIC STYLE WE EXPECT OUT OF HYDE PARK, MEDITERRANEAN
3:50:33PM REVIVAL, COLONIAL, CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW.
3:50:36PM THEN WE GET DOWN TO 1314, BOXY, UNDISTINGUISHED, TWO-STORY
3:50:41PM VERNACULAR DWELLING.
3:50:43PM NOW, THE HPC REPORT DOES CLAIM THAT A CONTRIBUTING
3:50:47PM SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE HISTORICALLY AND CURRENTLY.
3:50:50PM HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT THE CASE AND HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE FOR

3:50:52PM AT LEAST 70 YEARS.
3:50:54PM IT'S A NONCONTRIBUTING MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE.
3:50:58PM MAYBE IT WAS SINGLE-FAMILY STRUCTURE BACK WHEN IT WAS
3:51:00PM CONSTRUCTED, BUT RECORDS IN TAMPA TRIBUNE CLIPPINGS SHOW
3:51:07PM THAT AS EARLY AS IN THE 50s, UPPER AND LOWER DUPLEXES WERE
3:51:11PM ADVERTISED HERE AT THIS STRUCTURE.
3:51:12PM AND THAT IS THE ACTUAL USE OF THE SITE TODAY.
3:51:15PM IT IS ZONED MULTIFAMILY.
3:51:16PM IT WAS ZONED MILLION BEFORE IT WAS DESIGNATED.
3:51:27PM SO HERE ARE THE STANDARDS.
3:51:30PM THE STANDARDS ARE VERY THICK MANUAL.
3:51:33PM IT'S CALLED THE NATIONAL REGISTER BULLETIN NUMBER 15,
3:51:36PM REFERENCED IN CITY OF TAMPA CODE, AS THE STANDARDS WITH THE
3:51:39PM HPC AN APPLICATION WHEN EVALUATING A REQUEST TO GO FROM
3:51:43PM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING.
3:51:49PM HYDE PARK CREATES THE HISTORIC CONTEXT, THE BULLETIN IS VERY
3:51:52PM CLEAR, INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT DISTRICT MUST
3:51:57PM THEMSELVES POSSESS INTEGRITY IN ORDER TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE
3:52:00PM HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
3:52:03PM IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S HOW THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING.
3:52:05PM AND A SPECIAL QUESTION TO ASSESS INTEGRITY IS YOU HAVE TO
3:52:08PM DEFINE THE ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES THAT MUST BE PRESENT
3:52:11PM IN THE STRUCTURE TO RETAIN ITS SIGNIFICANCE.
3:52:14PM NOW WE HEARD THAT TERM, NOT PRESENTED ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT
3:52:20PM THESE ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES ARE.

3:52:23PM AND AGAIN, NO ONE IN FAVOR THAT WE HAVE HEARD MAINTAINING
3:52:26PM THE STATUS, THAT STAFF HAS NOT PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT
3:52:30PM THE ESSENTIAL FEATURES ARE OR THAT THEY HAVE RETAINED IF
3:52:33PM THEY EXHIBIT.
3:52:34PM IT DOES NOT SATISFY THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE THRESHOLD TO
3:52:38PM EVEN MEET THE CRITICAL ASPECT INTEGRITY AS MR. FLEISCHMAN
3:52:43PM WILL ATTEST.
3:52:46PM AGAIN A NOTE ABOUT THE ALTERED BUT CONTRIBUTING STATUS.
3:52:50PM AN ALTERED BUT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS ONE WHICH HAS
3:52:53PM UNDERGONE ALTERATIONS INCONSISTENT WITH ITS CHARACTER BUT
3:52:56PM THOSE CAN BE RETURNED WITH REASONABLE EFFORT AND COSTS TO
3:53:01PM HISTORIC ONE, BUT HERE IT SAYS IT HAS TO BEST THAT THESE
3:53:05PM CHANGES ARE REMEDIAL IN ORDER TO BE ALTERED BUT CONTRIBUTING
3:53:08PM RATHER THAN JUST NONCONTRIBUTING.
3:53:10PM WELL, IT'S VERY EASY TO MISS ALL OF THESE AS REMEDIAL
3:53:16PM WITHOUT ANALYSIS OR DISCUSSION, AND YOU DISAGREE, WHICH
3:53:19PM AGAIN YOU WILL HEAR MORE FROM MR. FLEISHMAN BUT THE
3:53:23PM ALTERATIONS COMPOUND THE LACK OF INTEGRITY THAT THE
3:53:27PM STRUCTURE HAS AND EVIDENCE OF WHAT MAY BE LEFT OF ITS
3:53:30PM ORIGINAL FORM THE STRUCTURE ITSELF DID NOT HAVE
3:53:32PM SIGNIFICANCE.
3:53:33PM SO TO KIND OF BRING IT TOGETHER, THERE'S NO CONCRETE
3:53:37PM EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE STRUCTURE IS REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE.
3:53:39PM IT DIDN'T HAVE A STYLE.
3:53:41PM IT DOESN'T HAVE A STYLE.

3:53:42PM THERE'S NO ARTICULATION OF WHAT THE PHYSICAL FEATURES WERE,
3:53:47PM AND THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF HOW ALTERATIONS MADE TO IT ARE
3:53:50PM REMEDIAL COULD BE EASILY BE REVERSED AND WHAT THE STRUCTURE
3:53:54PM WOULD BE REMEDIATED TO.
3:53:56PM IN ADDITION, AS I THINK THESE PHOTOS MAKE PRETTY CLEAR, THE
3:54:01PM STRUCTURE IS BEYOND REPAIR, IT'S TOTALLY DILAPIDATED,
3:54:05PM INSPECTORS HAVE DEEMED NOT ONLY IS IT NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE
3:54:08PM BUILDING CODE BUT IT CANNOT BE BROUGHT UP TO THE BUILDING
3:54:11PM CODE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN COBBLED TOGETHER.
3:54:14PM INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL NOT INSURE THE STRUCTURE.
3:54:17PM SO IT CAN'T BE LEGALLY INHABITED AND IT HASN'T BEEN FOR TWO
3:54:22PM AND A HALF YEARS.
3:54:22PM AGAIN WE HAVE REPORTS FROM ARCHITECTS, INSURANCE COMPANIES,
3:54:25PM AND INSPECTORS STATING AS MUCH.
3:54:28PM I WILL SKIP THROUGH THIS BECAUSE MR. FLEISCHMAN IS HERE TO
3:54:31PM SPEAK.
3:54:32PM HE EVALUATED THIS PROPERTY, AND AGAIN I WILL HAVE HIM COME
3:54:35PM UP IN A MINUTE.
3:54:36PM BUT IN ADDITION TO MR. FLEISCHMAN'S TESTIMONY, WE RECEIVED
3:54:39PM LETTERS WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET OF NEIGHBORS EXPRESSING
3:54:43PM THEIR SUPPORT FOR REMOVING THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS OF THE
3:54:47PM STRUCTURE, AND THESE ARE STAKEHOLDERS, PROPERTY OWNERS IN
3:54:50PM HYDE PARK THEMSELVES, FORMER ARC BOARD MEMBER, ONE OF THEM,
3:54:54PM MANY MEMBERS OF HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD SOCIAL,
3:54:58PM ARCHITECTS, CONTRACTORS, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HYDE PARK AND

3:55:01PM HAVE FOR A LONG TIME.
3:55:03PM EVEN AS YOU CAN SEE THOSE WHO LIVE AROUND IT DON'T SEE ITS
3:55:06PM VALUE.
3:55:06PM PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE STRUCTURE.
3:55:09PM AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME QUICK SUMMARIES OF THESE LETTERS,
3:55:13PM BUT I WOULD URGE YOU TO READ THOSE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IN
3:55:17PM THEIR ENTIRETY AND SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WHO ACTUALLY
3:55:20PM SPECIFY THE PROPERTY DO LIVE IN HYDE PARK HAVE TO SAY.
3:55:28PM FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING
3:55:32PM AREA.
3:55:32PM THIS IS QUINTESSENTIAL HISTORIC HYDE PARK.
3:55:34PM TO THE WEST ACROSS DESOTO, BURNS PARK.
3:55:37PM TO THE NORTH, A MULTIFAMILY AND THE MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL
3:55:42PM STYLE.
3:55:43PM TO THE SOUTH ACROSS HILLS.
3:55:44PM AND TO THE EAST A BUNGALOW.
3:55:47PM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO ANY OF THAT.
3:55:50PM IT DETRACTS FROM THE CHARACTER.
3:55:54PM IT'S UNDISTINGUISHED, LACKS INTEGRITY AND IS HEAVILY,
3:55:57PM HEAVILY ALTERED.
3:55:58PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE IF THIS BUILDING WERE DEEMED
3:56:02PM NONCONTRIBUTING AND DIDN'T HAVE THE PROTECTION OF THAT
3:56:05PM STATUS, JUST BY BEING IN HYDE PARK AS I KNOW YOU ALL ARE
3:56:08PM FAMILIAR WITH, THE ARC WOULD REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT OF
3:56:11PM APPROPRIATENESS FOR ANY ADDITIONS MADE TO THIS, FOR ANY

3:56:14PM CHANGES TO IT, AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
3:56:17PM SO THE PROPERTY ITSELF WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO
3:56:20PM REVIEW OF THE HYDE PARK GUIDELINES.
3:56:24PM FINALLY, I KNOW COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT THE HYDE PARK DISTRICT
3:56:28PM IS BEING EXPANDED, MORE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE COMING
3:56:31PM INTO THE DISTRICT, SO REMOVING THIS ONE BUILDING FROM THE
3:56:35PM CONTRIBUTING ROSTER IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE DISTRICT'S
3:56:39PM LEGITIMACY.
3:56:41PM IN FACT, IT IS NOT AS LEGITIMATE TO USE THE STATUS FOR
3:56:45PM STRUCTURES THAT DO NOT WARRANT IT THAT DOES NOT SERVE THE
3:56:47PM GOAL OF PRESERVATION.
3:56:48PM SO WE URGE THAT COUNCIL PLEASE DO OVERTURN THE HPC DECISION
3:56:52PM WHICH WAS A SPLIT VOTE, AND TAKE THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS
3:56:56PM FROM THE STRUCTURE.
3:56:57PM I WILL NOW ASK MR. FLEISCHMAN TO COME UP.
3:57:00PM >> THANK YOU, JAIME.
3:57:06PM SOL FLEISCHMAN, JR., FLEISCHMAN GARCIA MASLOWSKI
3:57:12PM ARCHITECTURE, 324 HYDE PARK AVENUE.
3:57:16PM I CONSIDER MYSELF NOT ONLY AN ARCHITECT BUT A
3:57:19PM PRESERVATIONIST.
3:57:20PM I HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF INVOLVEMENT IN PRESERVATION IN
3:57:25PM TAMPA.
3:57:25PM I WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
3:57:27PM COUNTY PRESERVATION BOARD IN THE EARLY 70s AND SERVED ON
3:57:33PM THAT BOARD FOR 20 YEARS.

3:57:36PM I WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
3:57:39PM COMMISSION AND SERVED ON THAT FOR SIX YEARS UNTIL TERMED
3:57:46PM OUT.
3:57:47PM USUALLY I COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ARC TRYING TO
3:57:51PM SAVE OLD HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I
3:57:57PM HAVE APPEARED BEFORE YOU TRYING TO RECOMMEND A CHANGE OF
3:58:03PM DESIGNATION FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NONCONTRIBUTING AND
3:58:07PM DEMOLITION.
3:58:09PM THE FIRST ONE IS 25 YEARS AGO, IN 1997, QUARTER OF A
3:58:16PM CENTURY.
3:58:18PM AND THAT WAS 1801 BAYSHORE, WHICH WAS THE SWANN HOUSE, WHICH
3:58:22PM WAS AN OLD HOUSE, BUT IT HAD BEEN ALTERED OVER THE YEARS.
3:58:29PM SO I MADE THE CASE WHICH THE ARC AGREED TO, THAT THE
3:58:37PM DESIGNATION NEEDED TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT WAS NONREMEDIAL.
3:58:45PM AND THEY FINALLY AGREED TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION.
3:58:51PM WE DEMOLISHED IT AND WHAT REMAINS TODAY AT 1801 IS THAT
3:58:56PM ICONIC MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL HUB FOR DON AND MIRACLE
3:59:04PM WALLACE.
3:59:05PM I BELIEVE EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE IT IMPROVED THE LOOK OF
3:59:08PM BAYSHORE.
3:59:09PM THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR REQUEST, BECAUSE THIS BUILDING HAS
3:59:12PM BEEN CHANGED A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS.
3:59:16PM IN FACT, MOST HEARTENING WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE ORIGINAL
3:59:23PM SECOND FLOOR TERRACE ON HILLS AVENUE THAT AT THE TIME
3:59:27PM OVERLOOKED NOT ONLY BAYSHORE BOULEVARD BUT HILLSBOROUGH BAY.

3:59:35PM THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT FOR THIS
3:59:38PM HOUSE, AND IT'S GONE BECAUSE OF AN ADDITION ON THE SECOND
3:59:43PM FLOOR THAT WAS VERY INSENSITIVELY DESIGNED.
3:59:48PM THAT DECISION HAS WINDOWS THAT ARE POORLY PROPORTIONED.
3:59:55PM THEY ARE ALMOST SQUARE AND NOT NARROW AND TALL LIKE THE
3:59:58PM EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE, AND THE
4:00:02PM EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SECOND FLOOR,
4:00:05PM WHICH WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC OF THE HOME.
4:00:09PM THE WINDOWS ARE ALUMINUM.
4:00:13PM THAT'S FORBIDDEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
4:00:16PM THEY NEED TO BE WOOD OR THEY NEED TO BE A COMPOSITE WOOD.
4:00:21PM I MENTIONED THE PROPORTIONS.
4:00:23PM SO THE HISTORIC FORM OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF
4:00:26PM THAT SECOND FLOOR TERRACE AND THE ADDITION, DOES NOT
4:00:30PM RESEMBLE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
4:00:34PM IT HAS ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION, NOT AN
4:00:40PM ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
4:00:42PM IT HAS ALUMINUM ROOF FACIA AND SOFFIT, NOT ORIGINAL
4:00:48PM MATERIAL.
4:00:49PM THE BELL TILE ROOFING IS NOT ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
4:00:53PM IT WAS ORIGINALLY SHINGLES.
4:00:58PM SO I RECOMMEND STRONGLY THAT THIS HOUSE BE -- THE
4:01:04PM DESIGNATION BE CHANGED TO NONCONTRIBUTING AND DEMOLITION
4:01:09PM ALLOWED FOR IT.
4:01:11PM IT'S NOT A CHARMING HOUSE IN THE DISTRICT.

4:01:14PM IN FACT, THIS MORNING WHEN I WENT TO TAKE A FINAL
4:01:18PM WALK-AROUND TO MAKE SURE WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS ACCURATE,
4:01:21PM THERE WAS A LADY WALKING HER DOG, AND SHE SAW ME TAKING
4:01:25PM PICTURES, AND SHE SAID, HEY, WHAT DID CITY COUNCIL SAY?
4:01:29PM I SAID WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY THIS AFTERNOON.
4:01:32PM WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO ATTEND?
4:01:34PM SHE SAYS, THAT HOUSE NEEDS TO COME DOWN.
4:01:36PM IT'S AN EYESORE, I HATE IT.
4:01:41PM I MEAN, AND SHE WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE, AND SHE SAID, I'M
4:01:45PM TALKING TO STACY HAHN, WHO IS ON OUR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
4:01:48PM SCHOOL BOARD, AND STACY AGREES IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN.
4:01:52PM SO ANYWAY, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION TO
4:01:55PM NONCONTRIBUTING TO ALLOW IT TO COME DOWN.
4:01:58PM AND THEN THE ARC WILL APPROVE ANYTHING THAT REPLACES IT.
4:02:02PM AND I GUARANTEE IT WILL BE A LOT MORE CHARMING.
4:02:05PM THANKS SO MUCH.
4:02:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:02:08PM >> THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION.
4:02:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:02:16PM ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:02:19PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
4:02:21PM THIS?
4:02:21PM PLEASE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO THIS, LINE UP TO MY
4:02:27PM LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
4:02:30PM >> I'M DEL ACOSTA, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HISTORIC HYDE PARK

4:02:40PM PRESERVATION.
4:02:43PM HHPNA, HISTORIC HYDE PARK ASSOCIATION.
4:02:50PM THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
4:02:52PM I AM GOING TO READ TO YOU THE MOTION THAT THE HHP&A MOTION,
4:02:59PM MOTION, THIS ACTION WAS TAKEN IN JUNE 2022.
4:03:05PM SUPPORT THE HPC STAFF FIND THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1314
4:03:08PM SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE SHOULD RETAIN ITS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE
4:03:14PM TO HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
4:03:15PM THE PROPERTY EMBODIES THE DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE AND
4:03:21PM MAINTAINS THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE FEATURES OF THE HISTORIC
4:03:25PM BUILDING.
4:03:26PM IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO LISTEN TO YOUR STAFF.
4:03:28PM I WILL SUBMIT THIS INTO THE RECORD.
4:03:29PM AND THE SPANISH TOWN CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ALSO
4:03:33PM PASSED A MOTION SUPPORTING THE STAFF.
4:03:36PM I THINK YOU HAVE THAT, BUT I AM GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU FOR
4:03:39PM THE RECORD.
4:03:39PM ONE OF THE THINGS VERY BRIEFLY THAT I WANT TO SAY IS
4:03:43PM UNDISTINGUISHABLE IS NOT A CRITERIA FOR DECLASSIFICATION OF
4:03:46PM HISTORIC BUILDING.
4:03:47PM IF YOU WERE TO USE A CRITERIA UNDISTINGUISHABLE, THE HOUSES
4:03:51PM IN DOBYVILLE, YBOR CITY, ARE UNDISTINGUISHABLE.
4:03:54PM UNINHABITABLE IS NOT ANOTHER CRITERIA. INSURANCE CRITERIA
4:03:59PM IS NOT A CRITERIA.
4:04:00PM WE HAVE A HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT'S EMPTY.

4:04:01PM YOU CAN'T GET INSURANCE.
4:04:02PM THAT'S A COST OF WORK BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT DISQUALIFIED
4:04:06PM AS A NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
4:04:10PM THANK YOU.
4:04:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN?
4:04:16PM MR. ACOSTA, COULD I ASK YOU TO STATE YOUR PROFESSIONAL
4:04:20PM QUALIFICATION EXPERIENCE?
4:04:21PM >> WELL, I AM AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN.
4:04:25PM I SAT ON THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PRESERVATION COMMISSION,
4:04:29PM SAME ONE AS SOL FLEISCHMAN SAT ON.
4:04:33PM I WAS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION.
4:04:38PM I WAS IN THE INTERNATIONAL ACADEMY DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE.
4:04:43PM LECTURED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA BOTH IN GAINESVILLE
4:04:46PM AND NANTUCKET ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
4:04:52PM WHAT A NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS WHEN YOU CANNOT SEE ANY
4:04:54PM MORE OF THE DESIGNED FEATURES.
4:04:57PM THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE -- THAT BUILDING IS A
4:05:02PM HISTORIC BUILDING.
4:05:04PM IT WAS RED BRICK, CLASSIC EARLY 20th CENTURY COMMERCIAL
4:05:10PM ARCHITECTURE, STOREFRONTS, WITH DOORS WITH WINDOWS.
4:05:14PM WHAT YOU SEE IN YBOR CITY.
4:05:16PM THE WINDOWS HAD BEEN BOARDED UP.
4:05:18PM ALL THE ORIGINALS HAD BEEN BOARDED UP.
4:05:21PM IT'S ABOUT STUCCOED OVER.
4:05:22PM THE ARCHITECTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED.

4:05:24PM THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HISTORIC BUILDING BECOMING
4:05:27PM NONCONTRIBUTING.
4:05:31PM THE UNDISTINGUISHABLE IS NOT A CRITERIA. I DON'T LIKE IT IS
4:05:36PM NOT A CRITERIA. ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MENTION TO
4:05:38PM YOU, AND THERE ARE NEIGHBORS OVER HERE, AND THINGS LIKE THIS
4:05:42PM SEPARATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:05:43PM YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE TOLD ABOUT THIS CASE
4:05:46PM TO WRITE THE LETTERS.
4:05:48PM WE WERE TOLD A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE INCORRECT.
4:05:51PM LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE.
4:05:52PM LOOK AT THE CRITERIA THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND LISTEN TO
4:05:56PM YOUR STAFF.
4:05:57PM THANK YOU.
4:05:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:06:03PM THANK YOU.
4:06:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
4:06:06PM I HAVE LISTENED TO THE APPLICANT AND THE EXPERT, SO I WANT
4:06:12PM TO ASK STAFF, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A CODE, AND THIS IS WHAT I
4:06:18PM AM HAVING TROUBLE WITH, IF THIS PROPERTY CANNOT BE BROUGHT
4:06:21PM UP TO CODE, WHAT DO WE DO?
4:06:28PM DO WE LET IT GET DILAPIDATED AND CAN'T BE BROUGHT UP TO
4:06:31PM CODE?
4:06:32PM >>ELAINE LUND: HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
4:06:36PM THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND -- LET ME BACK UP A BIT, I
4:06:41PM GUESS.

4:06:42PM THE CUT-OFF FOR THE YEAR THAT WE CONSIDER A BUILDING TO BE
4:06:45PM CONTRIBUTING TO THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT IS 1933.
4:06:50PM BRINGING ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT FROM 1933 AND
4:06:55PM EARLIER UP TO PRESENT DAY BUILDING CODE, I THINK THAT WOULD
4:06:59PM BE DEFINITELY A HUGE CHALLENGE, AND IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT,
4:07:03PM EXCEPT FOR PERHAPS INSURANCE PURPOSES, OR OTHER SAFETY
4:07:09PM ISSUES.
4:07:10PM BUT AS FAR AS THE REHABILITATION WORK, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT
4:07:19PM SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD BE
4:07:23PM IMPRESSED UPON THEM BY THE ARC.
4:07:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME IS, SO I AM
4:07:30PM CLEAR, THERE IS NO CRITERIA BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THIS
4:07:33PM BUILDING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE OR ANYTHING?
4:07:37PM >>ELAINE LUND: I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
4:07:40PM I AM NOT IN CONSTRUCTION.
4:07:45PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
4:07:47PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, THE CRITERIA THAT'S BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
4:07:52PM HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE PACKET.
4:07:54PM WHAT THE REQUEST IS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
4:07:57PM TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
4:07:59PM NONCONTRIBUTING.
4:08:00PM THOSE ARE THE FACTORS THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD USE IN ORDER
4:08:04PM TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO CHANGE THE STATUS OF THE
4:08:07PM PROPERTY.
4:08:08PM THOSE ARE THE SAME STANDARD THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION

4:08:09PM COMMISSION USED IN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY'S
4:08:14PM DESIGNATION SHOULD BE CHANGED FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
4:08:17PM NONCONTRIBUTING.
4:08:18PM THOSE ARE THE SOLE FACTORS THAT CAN BE USED IN DETERMINING
4:08:22PM WHETHER OR NOT TO EITHER OVERTURN THE HPC'S DECISION OR TO
4:08:29PM AFFIRM IT.
4:08:30PM I HAPPY HOLIDAY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
4:08:32PM BUT THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET ON THE
4:08:37PM CRITERIA THAT'S USED IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT
4:08:40PM THE PETITIONER'S REQUEST SHOULD BE -- WHAT CITY COUNCIL --
4:08:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KEEP HEARING THAT FROM BOTH SIDES AND
4:08:47PM THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING THAT.
4:08:48PM I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT, BECAUSE I SEE A PACKET, AND I HEAR
4:08:52PM THE GENTLEMEN TALK ABOUT CODES, AND IS IT FALLING DOWN?
4:09:02PM I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR ON IT.
4:09:03PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
4:09:17PM MY NAME IS ROGER GRUNKE, 2708 NORTH ELMORE AVENUE IN TAMPA'S
4:09:24PM HISTORIC TAMPA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:09:27PM I HAVE LIVED IN TAMPA SINCE 1980, AND PRIVATE EFFORT TO
4:09:34PM ESTABLISH THE CITY'S EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL HYDE PARK HISTORIC
4:09:38PM DISTRICT.
4:09:40PM I HOLD AN ARCHITECTURAL LICENSE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS
4:09:44PM WELL AS BUILDING CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE.
4:09:49PM I HAVE DEGREES FROM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
4:09:52PM I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN HAND-ON PRESERVATION WORK, THE

4:09:56PM NANTUCKET PRESERVATION PROGRAM UNDER THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
4:10:00PM STATE, HISTORIC AMERICAN BUILDING SURVEY, ALSO THE FLORIDA
4:10:05PM DEPARTMENT OF STATE HISTORIC SITE NOMINATION PROGRAM OF PALM
4:10:11PM BEACH COUNTY, AND WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL IN PRODUCING THE
4:10:17PM PRIVATELY FUNDED FOUR-YEAR ARCHITECTURAL SURVEY OF THE TOWN
4:10:21PM OF PALM BEACH.
4:10:25PM THE LATTER SERVED AS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE POPULAR
4:10:28PM PUBLICATION "LANDMARK ARCHITECTURE IN PALM BEACH."
4:10:33PM MY JOB WAS TO ASSESS EVERY HOUSE TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT HAD
4:10:39PM ANY QUALIFYING CHARACTERISTICS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE SURVEY.
4:10:46PM MY EXPERIENCES ALSO INCLUDE FIVE YEARS ON THE BARRIO LATINO.
4:10:52PM MY ARCHITECTURE CAREER IN TAMPA HAS REVOLVED AROUND
4:10:56PM HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS.
4:11:00PM ONE RENOVATION AND MODERNIZATION AND ADDITIONS TO
4:11:03PM CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES, TWO, THE DESIGN OF NEW
4:11:08PM STRUCTURES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND, 3, THE STRICT
4:11:15PM RESTORATION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THE LATTER INCLUDES THE
4:11:19PM RESTORATION WORK ON HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY'S OLDEST RESIDENCE,
4:11:23PM THE MOSLEY HOUSE.
4:11:26PM THE FLORIDA TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION INCORPORATED HAS
4:11:29PM AWARDED ME TWICE FOR NEW IN-FILL STRUCTURES IN HISTORIC
4:11:34PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
4:11:35PM MY WORK HAS ALSO BEEN TWICE RECOGNIZED BY THE TAMPA
4:11:39PM HILLSBOROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION WITH AWARD OF EXCELLENCE.
4:11:43PM I NOT ONLY QUALIFY ARCHITECTURE AS BEING HISTORICALLY

4:11:49PM SIGNIFICANT, IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE LIVED AND CONTINUE TO
4:11:51PM LIVE.
4:11:55PM THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION TODAY IS THE TWO-STORY MASONRY AND
4:11:59PM FRAME RESIDENCE AT 1314 DESOTO.
4:12:02PM THIS HISTORIC RESIDENCE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1921 AND IS A MIX
4:12:06PM OF STYLES.
4:12:08PM ALL OF THE SAME PERIOD.
4:12:12PM SOME MISSION, SPANISH ECLECTIC WITH PRAIRIE INFLUENCES.
4:12:18PM THIS IS THE FIELD GUIDE TO AMERICAN HOUSES BY VIRGINIA LEE
4:12:24PM -- [BELL SOUNDS]
4:12:25PM >> I WILL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS MORE.
4:12:26PM >> OKAY.
4:12:31PM I WILL SKIP THAT AND I WANT TO SHOW THE COUNCIL THREE
4:12:38PM PHOTOGRAPHS.
4:12:41PM CAN WE PULL THIS UP, PLEASE?
4:12:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE ELMO, PLEASE.
4:12:47PM THANK YOU.
4:12:47PM >> OKAY, THIS HOUSE IS 1902 WEST MORRISON AVENUE.
4:12:53PM YOU CAN SEE THE SHAPE THAT IT WAS IN.
4:12:58PM YOU CAN SEE THE PORCHES, SECOND FLOOR GALLERY HAS BEEN
4:13:04PM ENCLOSED.
4:13:05PM THE SAME WAS TRUE FOR THE BACK.
4:13:09PM THIS ALSO WAS A PORCH THAT WAS ENCLOSED.
4:13:14PM AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE FROM THE FRONT.
4:13:17PM [BELL SOUNDS]

4:13:21PM THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AND FINISHED AND APPEARED IN THE
4:13:25PM SOUTHERN LIVING MAGAZINE.
4:13:28PM TO SAY THAT THE PROPERTY AT 1314 IS UNREMEDIAL IS VERY
4:13:35PM FAR-FETCHED.
4:13:36PM YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE PHOTOGRAPHS.
4:13:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
4:13:51PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
4:13:58PM MY NAME IS PATRICIA SUMMERVILLE.
4:14:00PM I LIVE AT 2107 WEST DEKLE AVENUE IN HISTORIC HYDE PARK.
4:14:07PM I AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND THE
4:14:10PM DECISIONS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGARDING
4:14:13PM 1314 SOUTH DESOTO AVENUE.
4:14:17PM I ALSO WANT TO MAKE THE POINT IF THERE WERE MANY MORE
4:14:23PM NEIGHBORS HERE EXPRESSING THE SAME THAT I HAVE JUST
4:14:26PM EXPRESSED WERE THIS MEETING HELD IN THE EVENING.
4:14:29PM MANY OF US WORK DURING THE DAY.
4:14:32PM THANK YOU.
4:14:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:14:35PM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA, 604 SOUTH ORLEANS.
4:14:48PM I RECENTLY READ ABOUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS HAPPENING
4:14:51PM IN OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
4:14:53PM IT'S CALLED DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
4:14:56PM WE ARE LOSING MORE AND MORE AND MORE HOMES EVERY DAY.
4:15:01PM OWNERS WHO DON'T MAINTAIN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY ALLOWING
4:15:05PM THEIR PROPERTY TO DETERIORATE ONLY TO CLAIM ENORMOUS COST OF

4:15:10PM REPAIR, CLAIMING ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
4:15:14PM AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP DUE TO THE OWNER'S PREFERENCE AS TO
4:15:18PM WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND ALLOW HIS
4:15:21PM PROPERTY TO DETERIORATE IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO CONSTITUTE A
4:15:25PM HARDSHIP, ENTIRELY THE OWNER.
4:15:30PM OWNERS HAVE A DUTY TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE
4:15:33PM HELD RESPONSIBLE.
4:15:34PM AS PER TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27 AND 19, LACK OF
4:15:38PM MAINTENANCE ON A PROPERTY FALLS ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE
4:15:40PM OWNER.
4:15:42PM 1314 SOUTH DESOTO WAS GIVEN CONTRIBUTING STATUS IN 1985 WHEN
4:15:47PM HYDE PARK WAS DESIGNATED A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
4:15:51PM THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS HOME IN 2019.
4:15:54PM NOW, IN 2022, HE WANTS TO HAVE THE DESIGNATION OF
4:15:59PM CONTRIBUTING STATUS REMOVED.
4:16:02PM HIS SIXTH ON THE PURCHASE CONTRACT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT HE
4:16:05PM WAS PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS HISTORIC
4:16:09PM HOME.
4:16:10PM SO WHY DID HE BUY IT?
4:16:12PM HE KNEW THEN THAT THIS HOME IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR
4:16:16PM CITY'S HISTORY.
4:16:17PM IT WAS BUILT IN 1921, AND IN 1985 WAS DESIGNATED AS A
4:16:23PM CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WHEN HYDE PARK BECAME A HISTORIC
4:16:26PM DISTRICT LOCALLY, AND UNDER THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY.
4:16:31PM YOU ARE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOUND NO CHANGES IN

4:16:37PM THEIR REVIEW OF THE 1314 SOUTH DESOTO.
4:16:41PM THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
4:16:42PM I SUPPORT THEIR DECISION NOT TO REMOVE CONTRIBUTING STATUS
4:16:46PM ON 1314 SOUTH DESOTO.
4:16:50PM THANK YOU.
4:16:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:16:51PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
4:16:58PM MY NAME IS LINDA SAUL-SENA, 157 BISCAYNE IN TAMPA.
4:17:05PM YEARS AND YEARS AGO, I WAS A YOUNG STAFF PLANNER AT THE
4:17:08PM PLANNING COMMISSION AND HELPED WRITE THE HYDE PARK PLAN.
4:17:12PM AT THAT TIME, THAT WAS A WAIVER FOR COME TO BE A MEMBER OF
4:17:18PM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
4:17:19PM AT THAT TIME HYDE PARK WAS IN DREADFUL SHAPE.
4:17:22PM MOST OF THE LARGER HOMES HAD BEEN CHOPPED INTO ROOMING HOUSE
4:17:25PM ROOMS.
4:17:26PM YOU COULDN'T GET ALONE FROM A WHITE BANK IN THOSE DAYS.
4:17:31PM BANKS WERE SEGREGATED AND THE LEVEL OF DETERIORATION WAS
4:17:35PM REALLY PLANNED.
4:17:36PM IT IS EXTRAORDINARY THE STRIDES HYDE PARK HAS MADE OVER THE
4:17:41PM LAST SEVERAL DECADE.
4:17:42PM ACTUALLY, I TOOK A WALK IN THIS VERY NEIGHBORHOOD YESTERDAY,
4:17:45PM AND WAS SO IMPRESSED BY THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE, WHICH
4:17:51PM HASN'T BEEN SEEN IN HYDE PARK SINCE MANY OF THESE HOMES WERE
4:17:54PM ORIGINALLY CREATED.
4:17:56PM THE HOME BEING DISCUSSED TODAY AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE

4:18:01PM HAS NOT BEEN ONE OF THE FORTUNATE STRUCTURES.
4:18:05PM IT HAS NOT SEEN TENDER LOVING CARE.
4:18:08PM IT HAS BEEN MISTREATED WITH IMPROPER WINDOWS WITH, IMPROPER
4:18:13PM SIDING.
4:18:13PM BUT THE GOOD NEWS FOR BUILDINGS AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE IS THAT
4:18:17PM YOU CAN REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH THE HISTORICALLY
4:18:23PM APPROPRIATE ONES.
4:18:24PM YOU CAN REPLACE THE SIDING WITH THE ORIGINAL SIDING THAT'S
4:18:27PM APPROPRIATE.
4:18:28PM AND YOU CAN BRING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER, WHICH IS
4:18:33PM STILL THERE UNDERNEATH THE UNFORTUNATE INTERIM CHANGES.
4:18:39PM I LOOK TO YOU ALL.
4:18:40PM THIS IS NOT EASY.
4:18:41PM THIS IS NOT A SPECTACULARLY GLAMOROUS GORGEOUS BUILDING.
4:18:46PM IT IS A VERNACULAR BUILDING.
4:18:48PM BUT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY IS THE QUALITY OF A
4:18:51PM HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE KEY WORD IS CONTRIBUTING.
4:18:55PM THIS IS NOT AND WAS NEVER ONE OF HYDE PARK'S SUPERSTAR
4:18:59PM STRUCTURES.
4:19:00PM IT IS A MODEST HOME, BUT IT'S A NICE HOME, AND IT
4:19:05PM CONTRIBUTES TO THE FEEL, THE SCALE, THE CHARACTER.
4:19:08PM IT HAS ALL OF THE BONES, THE BONES OF A CONTRIBUTING
4:19:13PM STRUCTURE.
4:19:13PM SO I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THE BOARD
4:19:20PM RECOMMENDATIONS, AND RECOGNIZE THAT THIS TRULY IS A

4:19:24PM CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
4:19:27PM THANKS.
4:19:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:19:32PM IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
4:19:38PM DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
4:19:40PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
4:19:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: REBUTTAL?
4:19:48PM >>JAIME MAIER: JAIME MAIER FOR THE APPLICANT.
4:19:55PM A FEW POINTS.
4:19:56PM FIRST OF ALL, NO ONE WANTS TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THIS
4:19:59PM PROPERTY.
4:19:59PM WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE DISTRICT.
4:20:02PM WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SOME HISTORY OF THE DISTRICT AND OTHER
4:20:06PM POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT THIS DISTRICT BUT NOBODY WANTS TO TALK
4:20:08PM ABOUT THIS HOUSE.
4:20:09PM I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
4:20:12PM ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL FEATURES OF THIS STRUCTURE ARE THAT ARE
4:20:16PM WHAT MAKE IT SIGNIFICANT AND HOW THOSE STRUCTURES, THOSE
4:20:19PM FEATURES HAVE BEEN RETAINED. I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM PUBLIC
4:20:22PM COMMENT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM STAFF.
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