TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2022
9:00 A.M.
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9:05:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOVEMBER 17th, 2022, IS NOW IN SESSION.
9:06:09AM THE PERSON WHO WAS GOING TO BE GIVING INVOCATION, THEY
9:06:13AM CALLED AND TOLD US THEY COULD NOT MAKE IT.
9:06:16AM IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
9:06:19AM [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
9:06:31AM THANK YOU.
9:06:36AM WOULD YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE?
9:06:38AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:06:49AM THANK YOU.
9:06:50AM PLEASE BE SEATED.
9:06:51AM ROLL CALL.
9:06:55AM >> CARLSON?
9:06:56AM VIERA?
9:06:57AM MANISCALCO?
9:06:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:06:59AM >> HURTAK?
9:07:00AM GUDES?
9:07:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
9:07:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:07:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
9:07:03AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:07:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:07:06AM LET'S GO WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
9:07:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
9:07:16AM MAY I JUST VERY QUICKLY DISCUSS WAIVING THE RULES FOR
9:07:20AM ALLOWING CMT?
9:07:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ARE CORRECT.
9:07:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE
9:07:24AM PUBLIC.
9:07:24AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:07:26AM TODAY'S MEETING OF NOVEMBER 17th, 2022, IS HERE AT OLD
9:07:31AM CITY HALL.
9:07:31AM IT'S AVAILABLE TO BE SEEN ON CABLE TV, SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640,
9:07:35AM FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 AND ON THE INTERNET AT
9:07:38AM TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
9:07:40AM A REMINDER FOR THE USE OF CMT, PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED.
9:07:45AM THERE ARE CERTAIN TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND THOSE ARE
9:07:47AM AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE, THE LINKS TO THOSE
9:07:50AM INSTRUCTIONS.
9:07:51AM WITH THAT BEING SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D ASK THAT COUNCIL
9:07:53AM WAIVE THE RULES TO ALLOW THE CONTINUED USE OF CMT.
9:07:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:07:58AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:08:00AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:01AM >> AYE.
9:08:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:08:02AM ALL RIGHT, NOW WE WILL GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE
9:08:06AM AGENDA.
9:08:07AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, NUMBER ONE.
9:08:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.
9:08:10AM WE'RE GOING TO PULL THIS ONE.
9:08:12AM [INAUDIBLE]
9:08:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:08:23AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:08:25AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:26AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:08:29AM THANK YOU.
9:08:30AM NOW, I DO NOT BELIEVE CHIEF BENNETT IS GOING TO BE HERE
9:08:41AM TODAY.
9:08:42AM THERE WAS AN ASK TO PULL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 35 BY STAFF TO
9:08:52AM BE DISCUSSED.
9:08:54AM CAN WE DO THAT AT NUMBER --
9:09:02AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:09:02AM ADRIANA COLINA, DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
9:09:07AM I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY AND WILLINGNESS
9:09:10AM TO MOVE THIS ITEM UP FROM THE AGENDA, FROM THE CONSENT
9:09:12AM AGENDA TO STAFF REPORTS.
9:09:15AM WE REALIZE IT IS A MUNDANE ITEM AND SOMETHING VERY ROUTINE,
9:09:20AM BUT I WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU JUST TO, AGAIN, AS I SHARED
9:09:25AM DURING OUR BRIEFINGS, LET YOU KNOW WHAT THIS TRANSACTION IS
9:09:29AM ASKING FOR.
9:09:30AM IT IS SIMPLY AMENDING AN EXISTING AGREEMENT TO ALLOW FOR
9:09:33AM EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED.
9:09:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THE
9:09:40AM AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
9:09:41AM I'M JUST ASKING COUNCIL IF WE DON'T MIND MOVING THIS TO
9:09:44AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.
9:09:45AM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:09:48AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:09:49AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:09:50AM THANK YOU.
9:09:51AM COUPLE MORE SECONDS.
9:09:54AM >> NO PROBLEM.
9:09:55AM I'LL STEP OFF TO THE SIDE.
9:10:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE AGENDA ITEM 5 HAS BEEN ASKED TO BE
9:10:04AM CONTINUED FOR 30 DAYS.
9:10:05AM I BELIEVE DECEMBER 15.
9:10:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
9:10:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
9:10:12AM MANISCALCO.
9:10:13AM COUNCILMAN GUDES IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU?
9:10:15AM I HAVE A MEMORANDUM FROM MS. SHERISHA HILLS.
9:10:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT DATE?
9:10:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DECEMBER 15.
9:10:22AM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:10:24AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:10:25AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:27AM >> AYE.
9:10:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I?
9:10:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
9:10:31AM COUNCIL SHELBY.
9:10:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
9:10:34AM ITEMS 3 AND 4 WITH REGARD TO MEMORANDUMS ON THAT, DID YOU
9:10:40AM WANT STAFF PRESENT OR IS THAT NOT NECESSARY?
9:10:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY
9:10:46AM IF NECESSARY.
9:10:51AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:10:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THERE IS A REPORT ON ITEM NUMBER 3
9:10:54AM TODAY, BUT IF I COULD MAKE A QUICK MOTION.
9:10:59AM THE SOG PEOPLE HAVE ASKED US TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE AGENDA
9:11:03AM GOING FORWARD.
9:11:04AM CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION NOW?
9:11:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU ASKING FOR IT TO BE REMOVED?
9:11:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:11:09AM NOT NOW.
9:11:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M WANTING TO MAKE SURE STAFF IS HERE TO
9:11:13AM GIVE THEIR COMMENTS BEFORE I MAKE --
9:11:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY.
9:11:16AM I DON'T WANT TO MOVE NUMBER 3.
9:11:17AM JUST GOING FORWARD THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE IT.
9:11:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE]
9:11:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
9:11:26AM MR. SHELBY, ANYTHING FURTHER?
9:11:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR.
9:11:29AM THANK YOU.
9:11:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT 8 AFTER WE OPEN.
9:11:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS ITEM 8 AND
9:11:39AM THEN ASK FOR A BRIEF CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER 1.
9:11:42AM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT WHEN IT COMES UP.
9:11:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALSO BE DISCUSSING NUMBER 9.
9:11:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [INAUDIBLE]
9:11:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND THE MEMORANDUM.
9:11:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [INAUDIBLE]
9:11:57AM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
9:12:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAKE A MOTION TO RESCHEDULE THE ITEM THAT
9:12:10AM WAS HANDED TO ME FOR THE WORKSHOP.
9:12:13AM MIRANDA, CARLSON, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL BE -- DRAFT
9:12:18AM COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT ORDINANCE BE BROUGHT BACK.
9:12:21AM WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT FROM TODAY.
9:12:23AM YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE?
9:12:24AM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
9:12:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LEAVE IT THEN FOR THE DATE, DECEMBER
9:12:29AM 1st, YOU SAID?
9:12:30AM DECEMBER 1st, UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
9:12:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
9:12:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:12:38AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:12:40AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:12:41AM >> AYE.
9:12:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA
9:12:45AM AND THE ADDENDUM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:12:48AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:12:49AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:12:51AM >> AYE.
9:12:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCELLENT.
9:12:52AM LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AGENDA
9:12:59AM ITEM -- I APOLOGIZE.
9:13:02AM NOW WE WILL GO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:13:04AM IF ANYBODY IS GOING TO BE GIVING A PUBLIC COMMENT, CAN YOU
9:13:10AM PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM?
9:13:12AM IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND FORMING A LINE.
9:13:19AM >> UHURU.
9:13:20AM IT MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
9:13:24AM METESNOT.
9:13:26AM THE NAME MEANS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
9:13:28AM WHAT I'M HERE TODAY TO SAY IS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE
9:13:33AM TO KNOW IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE GET SOME
9:13:39AM TYPE OF RESOLUTION AND REPARATIONS IN OUR LIFETIME.
9:13:45AM THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
9:13:46AM WE CANNOT KEEP GOING GENERATION AFTER GENERATION WITH ONLY
9:13:55AM KNOWING AND EXPERIENCING INSULTS, HUMILIATION, OPPRESSION,
9:14:03AM AND SLAVERY IN A DIFFERENT FORM.
9:14:10AM BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS CITY AND OTHER CITIES HAVE TO WAKE UP
9:14:15AM TO OUR REALITY AND OUR REALITY IS REPARATIONS, NOTHING MORE,
9:14:21AM NOTHING LESS.
9:14:22AM REPARATIONS, WHAT WE'RE OWED.
9:14:24AM BY NO MEANS SHALL WE ALLOW ANYONE TO GET AWAY WITH 400 YEARS
9:14:29AM OF BRUTAL OPPRESSION AND SUBJUGATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE.
9:14:34AM WE HAVE TO STOP ALLOWING THESE PEOPLE TO EVOLVE THEIR
9:14:37AM METHODS OF OPPRESSION IN A MANNER WHERE IT IS DIFFICULT TO
9:14:41AM UNDERSTAND OR COMPREHEND WHITE PEOPLE HAVE A SUBTLE WAY OF
9:14:44AM INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE AND EXPECTING US TO ACCEPT THAT
9:14:49AM AS FACTS.
9:14:51AM A BILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET AND BLACK PEOPLE DOWN HERE BEGGING
9:14:56AM FOR MONEY FOR JUNETEENTH.
9:15:00AM IT'S AN INSULT TO OUR INTELLIGENCE.
9:15:02AM A CITY THAT'S MOVING FORWARD BUT LEAVING ALL THE BLACK
9:15:10AM PEOPLE IN THE BACKGROUND AND DOING GENTRIFICATION IN A WAY
9:15:14AM WHERE WE ARE BEING PUSHED OUT OF THE CITY THROUGH CODE
9:15:17AM ENFORCEMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OTHER FORMS OF ENFORCEMENT
9:15:24AM THAT IS DIFFICULT TO SEE BECAUSE THEY ARE DEALING WITH US
9:15:27AM ONE BY ONE OR SIDE OF TOWN BY SIDE OF TOWN.
9:15:31AM THIS HAS TO STOP.
9:15:32AM WE AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO HOLD THE PEOPLE THERE NOT JUST
9:15:35AM ORLANDO GUDES.
9:15:37AM WE HAVE TO HOLD ALL CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES RESPONSIBLE
9:15:42AM FOR THE TREATMENT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE RECEIVE IN THIS CITY.
9:15:47AM WE'VE GOT NO JUSTICE.
9:15:49AM NONE WHATSOEVER.
9:15:52AM AND THAT HAVE TO CHANGE.
9:15:54AM PEOPLE JUST CAN'T GET OFF THE HOOK AND THINK IT'S COOL.
9:15:59AM PEOPLE CAN'T SEE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS KEEP GOING DOWN, KEEP
9:16:02AM COMING BACK FOR ONE INITIATIVE AFTER THE OTHER AROUND
9:16:07AM ELECTION TIME AND THEN THEY MOVE OUT OF THE WAY.
9:16:09AM AND PEOPLE CAN'T KEEP DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING LIKE TRYING
9:16:14AM TO PUT JANET CRUZ ON THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
9:16:18AM STUFF LIKE THAT HAVE TO STOP.
9:16:19AM THIS CITY HAVE TO ADVANCE IN A WAY WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE
9:16:23AM AND ENJOY THE GROWTH OF IT.
9:16:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:16:29AM NEXT.
9:16:47AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:16:48AM THANK GOD FOR THE BLESSED OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE ONCE AGAIN
9:16:55AM SPEAKING ON YOUR BEHALF AND SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF.
9:16:59AM YOU KNOW I'M JUST GRATEFUL THAT I GOT HERE TODAY BECAUSE SO
9:17:06AM MUCH IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
9:17:10AM BASICALLY AGAINST BLACK FOLKS.
9:17:12AM AND WE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS BIG TIME.
9:17:15AM NOW, THE WHITE FOLKS THAT GET ON THE CITY COUNCIL BOARD,
9:17:25AM LETTING THE MAYOR AND EVERYBODY ELSE PUSH THE BLACK FOLKS
9:17:29AM OUT OF THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:17:31AM THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
9:17:33AM THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
9:17:35AM BUT YOU ALL CAN SIT BACK AND LAY BACK AND LET IT HAPPEN TO
9:17:41AM US, BASICALLY BECAUSE YOU ALL DON'T LIVE IN OUR
9:17:44AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:17:45AM WHEN I WAS COMING OVER HERE, I WANTED TO TELL YOU ALL TO
9:17:54AM GIVE US OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BACK.
9:17:58AM 22nd STREET AND CHELSEA, WHAT YOU ALL CALL RETENTION HOLE.
9:18:06AM WHAT IS IT RETAINING?
9:18:08AM NOTHING.
9:18:09AM NOT A DAMN THING.
9:18:11AM IT'S SO SAD THE WAY YOU TREAT US AS BLACK CITIZENS.
9:18:14AM WE NEED TO GET TO SOMEBODY, WITH SOMEBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT
9:18:22AM WE JUST WANT RIGHTEOUSNESS.
9:18:25AM WE AIN'T ASKING YOU ALL FOR NOTHING ELSE.
9:18:28AM GIVE US OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TREAT US LIKE CITIZENS OF THE
9:18:32AM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
9:18:34AM AND WE'LL BE PLEASED.
9:18:36AM WHEN I CAME DOWN HERE ONE TIME TO YOUR-ALL MEETING, THE
9:18:42AM MAYOR AND ALL THE POLICEMEN WERE IN HERE.
9:18:45AM I COULDN'T COME IN HERE AND SIT DOWN.
9:18:47AM THE POLICE BLOCKED THE DOOR.
9:18:49AM I HAD TO SIT OUT THERE ON THE STEPS.
9:18:52AM THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
9:18:55AM IF DON'T WANT US TO COME HERE TO CITY HALL, THEN GIVE US OUR
9:18:59AM LAND BACK IN BELMONT HEIGHTS AND JACKSON HEIGHTS AND WE'LL
9:19:02AM BE OUR OWN CITY HALL.
9:19:04AM WE'LL BE GLAD TO BUILD IT.
9:19:07AM BUT THE WAY YOU ALL MISTREATING US, JUST DEVASTATING.
9:19:11AM AND WE DON'T DESERVE IT.
9:19:14AM OUR ANCESTORS THAT CAME HERE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
9:19:19AM WORLD, THEY BUILT UP THIS COUNTRY.
9:19:21AM HELPED BUILT UP THIS COUNTRY AND DID A GOOD JOB OF BUILDING
9:19:25AM IT UP.
9:19:26AM BUT NOW MOST OF THEM DEAD AND GONE ON HOME.
9:19:31AM I GOT TO COME HERE WITH MY CRIPPLED SELF AND TRY TO SPEAK UP
9:19:37AM FOR JUSTICE.
9:19:38AM YOU-ALL DON'T HEAR ME.
9:19:39AM YOU ALL GIVE LESS THAN A DAMN ABOUT REVEREND, HE TOLD
9:19:44AM WALKING WITH HIS CANE, WALKING WITH HIS CRUTCHES.
9:19:48AM HE AIN'T GOING TO BE AROUND MUCH LONGER.
9:19:50AM YOU WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING?
9:19:51AM MAYBE I'M NOT GOING TO BE AROUND MUCH LONGER, BUT I TELL GOD
9:19:55AM THANK YOU, THAT WHEN I LEAVE HERE I'M GOING HOME TO BE WITH
9:19:59AM JESUS.
9:19:59AM GOD BLESS ALL OF MY --
9:20:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PASTOR, GOOD MORNING.
9:20:06AM IF YOU CAN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU
9:20:09AM DON'T MIND, PASTOR. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE
9:20:12AM RECORD.
9:20:13AM >> I THOUGHT I DID.
9:20:14AM MAYBE I FORGOT.
9:20:16AM PASTOR WILLIAM, FRANK WILLIAM.
9:20:20AM EAST SCOTT STREET.
9:20:21AM TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33603 -- 02, RATHER.
9:20:35AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:20:36AM ALISON HEWITT, 4904 32nd STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
9:20:42AM TWO ITEMS I'D LIKE TO HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT.
9:20:46AM ONE ITEM, 53.
9:20:50AM IT'S CRA, SLASH, CITY COUNCIL ITEM, JUST AS YOU ARE
9:20:54AM MONITORING THE BUDGET, YOU WILL ALSO SEE THAT WE DID SUPPORT
9:20:58AM INCREASING THE STAFF IN THE EAST TAMPA CRA, AND I WOULD LIKE
9:21:01AM TO ASK YOU TO MONITOR OUR ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO SEE IF
9:21:05AM THAT WAS STILL A MART EXPENDITURE OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING
9:21:08AM THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL
9:21:12AM OUTPUT FROM THE EAST TAMPA CRA STAFF.
9:21:15AM THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON IS ITEM
9:21:19AM NUMBER 73, THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT.
9:21:24AM WITH YOUR APPROVAL OF THE PREDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, THERE WILL
9:21:26AM BE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR YOUR
9:21:30AM CONSIDERATION.
9:21:30AM AND TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL PROMINENCE OF EAST
9:21:34AM TAMPA AND LOOK OF EAST TAMPA, THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT WILL
9:21:38AM ALSO BE IMPORTANT AS THOSE DEVELOPMENTS COME FORWARD FOR
9:21:40AM YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.
9:21:43AM SO THE COMMUNITY HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS, IN
9:21:47AM CONJUNCTION WITH STAFF, WE REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT WE
9:21:50AM APPRECIATE STAFF WERE GIVING US WHAT WAS IN THE LONG-RANGE
9:21:54AM PLAN AND BE ABLE TO HELP PUT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MAINTAIN
9:21:58AM THE LOOK AND FEEL AND HISTORY OF EAST TAMPA.
9:22:01AM SO I DO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON ITEM NUMBER 73, THE OVERLAY
9:22:06AM DISTRICT FOR THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
9:22:07AM THANK YOU.
9:22:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:22:08AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
9:22:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: 73, THAT IS A --
9:22:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR 1:30.
9:22:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
9:22:30AM SOMETHING JUST CAUGHT MY EYE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE WHOLE
9:22:33AM PIECE ON THAT.
9:22:36AM I PROBABLY WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
9:22:38AM I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT BEFORE.
9:22:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC?
9:22:47AM WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:22:50AM ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WISHING MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:22:53AM I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO ONLINE.
9:22:55AM MS. POYNOR, ARE YOU THERE?
9:22:57AM MS. POYNOR?
9:23:01AM LET'S TRY MS. STROHMEYER.
9:23:07AM MS. STROHMEYER, ARE YOU THERE?
9:23:10AM >> HELLO.
9:23:11AM THIS IS JEAN.
9:23:12AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
9:23:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MS. STROHMEYER.
9:23:15AM HOW ARE YOU DOING?
9:23:16AM >> I'M FINE, THANK YOU.
9:23:17AM HOW ARE YOU ALL TODAY.
9:23:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FINE.
9:23:19AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
9:23:21AM >> FOR THE RECORD, JEAN STROHMEYER.
9:23:22AM I LIVE INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY FOR 30 YEARS.
9:23:26AM JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE AGENDA SO YOU ALL HAVE FOOD
9:23:29AM FOR THOUGHT WHEN VOTING ON THESE ITEMS.
9:23:32AM ITEM NUMBER 3, THE SOG UPDATE.
9:23:36AM WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AND I THANK THE STAFF FOR THAT.
9:23:40AM NUMBER 4, VOLUNTEER CORP.
9:23:48AM I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTES.
9:23:49AM VOLUNTEER CORP, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S THAT IS ABOUT.
9:23:55AM IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE STARTING MORE LITTLE ADMINISTRATIONS
9:24:00AM WITHIN OUR ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
9:24:03AM TELL ME WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.
9:24:05AM NUMBER 8, YOUR-ALL'S TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IMMUNITY I LIKE THAT
9:24:10AM IDEA BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:24:13AM HOWEVER WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE UNINTENDED
9:24:16AM CONSEQUENCES WITH GIVING LAWYERS AND, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY
9:24:20AM IS JUST OUT AND OUT DOES SOMETHING FRAUDULENT OR BAD, THEN
9:24:26AM WE CAN'T REPRESENT THEM.
9:24:28AM I JUST WANTED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
9:24:31AM NUMBER 9, LIMIT WORKSHOP ITEMS.
9:24:33AM NOT SURE WHY WE NEED TO DO THAT.
9:24:35AM I KNOW THINGS RUN OVER, BUT WE NEED TO MAYBE RUN THE
9:24:39AM MEETINGS QUICKER.
9:24:40AM SPEEDING, NUMBER 10 AND 11, AGGRESSIVE DRIVING GRANT.
9:24:46AM TPD GRANTS.
9:24:47AM THERE'S MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE SPEND ON
9:24:51AM TPD AND ALL THAT.
9:24:52AM AND WE KEEP GETTING ALL THESE GRANTS AND HERE IS 13 AND 12,
9:24:57AM LAST CALL GRANT.
9:24:58AM 14 AND 19, $3 MILLION.
9:25:04AM ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS GIVING US ALL
9:25:06AM KINDS OF MONEY.
9:25:07AM IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
9:25:08AM 20 AND 21, OPIOID, ANTIDRUG SITE.
9:25:15AM LOOK, THE OPIOID PROBLEM IS COMING FROM OUR SOUTHERN BORDER
9:25:20AM AND THE APPROVAL OF ALL THESE DRUG CLINICS THAT ARE ALL
9:25:24AM OVER.
9:25:24AM THEY ARE POPPING UP EVERYWHERE.
9:25:26AM IT'S CASH ONLY DRUG BUSINESSES JUST LIKE WHEN WE HAD THE
9:25:30AM CRISIS BACK IN THE '90s AND PEOPLE WERE OVERDOSING.
9:25:34AM I JUST HAD AN OVERDOSE IN MY FAMILY AND I REALLY NEED TO,
9:25:38AM YOU ALL LOOK INTO THAT.
9:25:40AM NUMBER 22, GUN INTELLIGENCE.
9:25:41AM THAT'S SOME NEW YORK CRAP FROM YOUR NEW YORK BLOOMBERG GUY
9:25:45AM THAT'S RUNNING OUR CITY.
9:25:47AM WE DON'T APPRECIATE THAT.
9:25:48AM LAW-ABIDING GUN CITIZENS AND GUN HOLDERS DO NOT NEED ANY
9:25:52AM MORE GUN INTELLIGENCE.
9:25:54AM WE HAVE NUMBER 23, $500,000 FOR THE PARKS.
9:25:59AM LORD HAVE MERCY.
9:26:00AM MY PARK IN INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY IS A DISASTER.
9:26:04AM IT'S JUST HORRIBLE, BUT WE DON'T GET ANY OF THAT MONEY.
9:26:09AM WE COULD USE SPLASH PAD.
9:26:11AM THEY WANT CERTAIN THINGS IN OUR PARK, EVEN A NICE PLAYGROUND
9:26:14AM WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR PARK.
9:26:15AM IT'S JUST LIKE A TERRIBLE PARK.
9:26:17AM THE REST OF THE PARK IS GREAT BUT NOT FOR THE KIDS.
9:26:20AM NUMBER 40, COMMUNITY GARDENS.
9:26:21AM I LOVE THAT.
9:26:22AM WE NEED TO GET COMMUNITY GARDENS RUNNING UP AND YESTERDAY.
9:26:25AM FOOD SHORTAGE BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT'S GOING ON
9:26:27AM IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND IT'S TRICKLING DOWN TO US.
9:26:30AM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOOD SHORTAGES.
9:26:32AM WE NEED TO HAVE OUR OWN GARDENS.
9:26:33AM I MAINTAIN A GARDEN EVERY YEAR.
9:26:36AM I'LL BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH THAT.
9:26:38AM 58, AIDS, AIDS, AIDS.
9:26:42AM LOT OF MONEY COMING IN FOR AIDS.
9:26:44AM A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT AIDS WAS OVER.
9:26:45AM WE KNOW WHAT CAUSES AIDS.
9:26:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. STROHMEYER.
9:26:49AM >> THANK YOU.
9:26:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. POYNOR, ARE YOU THERE?
9:26:55AM IS MS. POYNOR LOGGED ON?
9:27:03AM >>THE CLERK: SHE IS.
9:27:04AM STEPHANIE POYNOR, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, PLEASE UNMUTE
9:27:07AM YOURSELF.
9:27:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. POYNOR?
9:27:15AM GOING ONCE ...
9:27:25AM MS. POYNOR, ARE YOU UNMUTED?
9:27:31AM >>THE CLERK: SHE WAS.
9:27:32AM HOLD ON.
9:27:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S PROCEED.
9:27:33AM NOW WE'LL GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH IS ACTUALLY
9:27:43AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 35 THAT HAS BEEN PULLED.
9:27:55AM >> TAKE TWO.
9:27:56AM MY APOLOGIES FOR PREMATURELY APPROACHING THE PODIUM.
9:28:01AM I'VE NEVER BEEN FIRST ON THE AGENDA AND WITHOUT THE CHIEF OF
9:28:03AM STAFF AND I WANTED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME.
9:28:06AM ADRIANA COLINA, DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
9:28:11AM WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN ITEM 35 IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN
9:28:14AM EXISTING AGREEMENT WITHIN OUR FLEET DIVISION.
9:28:17AM AND IT IS TO ALLOW EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS ALREADY APPROVED BY
9:28:22AM CITY COUNCIL TO OUR CONTRACTOR.
9:28:25AM AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
9:28:27AM WE REALIZE IT'S ROUTINE, BUT I DID WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU
9:28:30AM BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT'S UNDER THE $3 MILLION THRESHOLD, I
9:28:33AM WANTED TO JUST REASSURE YOU WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE FUNDS.
9:28:36AM WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING TO ALIGN THE CONTRACT TO ALLOW FOR THE
9:28:40AM EXPENDITURE OF THE FUNDS AND MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR ANY
9:28:43AM QUESTIONS.
9:28:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
9:28:45AM COUNCILMAN GUDES?
9:28:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS FOR THE PARKS?
9:28:49AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: YES, SIR.
9:28:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAD A CONVERSATION TWO YEARS AGO ABOUT
9:28:58AM THAT, ABOUT THOSE PARKS, I BELIEVE.
9:29:00AM AND THIS IS AN UPDATE OF THE CONTRACT, CORRECT?
9:29:03AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS
9:29:07AM TRANSACTION.
9:29:08AM THIS CONTRACT IS A 2014 CONTRACT.
9:29:09AM THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT WERE FIVE YEARS WITH FIVE
9:29:13AM ADDITIONAL ONE-YEAR RENEWALS.
9:29:15AM THE CONTRACT RUNS FROM DECEMBER TO DECEMBER.
9:29:18AM SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING FOR EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS.
9:29:22AM WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO ASK FOR
9:29:24AM THE SECOND TO THE LAST EXTENSION TO THAT CONTRACT.
9:29:29AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
9:29:30AM THANK YOU.
9:29:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:29:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ASK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO I
9:29:35AM REMEMBER CORRECTLY?
9:29:36AM IS THIS THE ONE YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH BEFORE OR NOT?
9:29:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S JUST AN UNDERSTANDING THAT COMING
9:29:42AM FROM WHERE I COME FROM, I GUESS, IF YOU'RE BUYING A PRODUCT,
9:29:48AM WHETHER IT'S A PEN OR NOT, AND THEN SOMEBODY SAYS I CAN DO A
9:29:51AM BETTER JOB, BUT THEY ARE GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION BUT NOT
9:29:55AM ONLY THEM, THERE ARE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT BY PUBLIC
9:29:59AM RECORDS YOU ASK WHO ARE YOUR VENDORS AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE
9:30:02AM THEM ALL YOUR VENDORS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
9:30:04AM AND THAT'S WHAT, PART OF THAT LAW ABOUT GIVING INFORMATION
9:30:08AM TO THE PUBLIC IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY GOOD, BUT SOMEHOW
9:30:13AM SOMETIMES YOU PAY CONSEQUENCES.
9:30:15AM AND THOSE CONSEQUENCES -- I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A
9:30:19AM CONSEQUENCE IN THIS CASE -- THEY GET YOUR VENDORS AND THEN
9:30:22AM THEY SAY THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB.
9:30:24AM THEN I SAY, YOU MEAN, WE'VE BEEN DOING NOT SO GOOD OF A JOB?
9:30:30AM WHICH IS NOT A FACT.
9:30:31AM IT LEAVES YOU WITH THAT TYPE OF DOUBT.
9:30:33AM MANCON HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS THREE, FOUR YEARS.
9:30:39AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: WITH US?
9:30:39AM EIGHT YEARS.
9:30:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TIME FLIES.
9:30:43AM SO EIGHT YEARS, AND MAYBE AFTER THIS DEAL IF IT GOES
9:30:49AM THROUGH, WE CAN ASK FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE US AN ANALOGY
9:30:53AM OF WHAT THE COSTS REAL ARE.
9:30:55AM IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES.
9:30:57AM WE WOULD HAVE OUR EMPLOYEES.
9:30:59AM ARE THERE ANY DIFFERENCE?
9:30:59AM I WOULD IMAGINE FROM COMING SOMETIME IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR
9:31:04AM THEY WOULD SAY, YES, WE DO A BETTER JOB, BUT THEN IN
9:31:07AM TRANSFORMING IT INTO REALITY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
9:31:10AM DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME EMPLOYEES AT THE
9:31:14AM SAME PAY AT THE SAME BENEFITS?
9:31:16AM I DON'T REALLY KNOW.
9:31:18AM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK, I
9:31:21AM BELIEVE.
9:31:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE
9:31:24AM DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EXPERTISE IN DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.
9:31:26AM THIS IS ONE THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY STUDIED MAYBE MORE THAN THE
9:31:29AM REST OF US, AND YOU BROUGHT IT UP OVER THE YEARS.
9:31:32AM DO YOU SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION?
9:31:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT SO IT GOES TO THE
9:31:38AM LAST YEAR.
9:31:38AM BECAUSE NOW IT WOULD BE CHAOTIC IF WE CHANGED SOMETHING.
9:31:41AM JUST MY OPINION.
9:31:42AM MAY BE WRONG.
9:31:43AM IF THEY LEAVE TODAY AND TOMORROW DO WE SAVE THE SAME
9:31:48AM EMPLOYEES?
9:31:48AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS.
9:31:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: THEY COME BACK FOR RENEWAL IN DECEMBER.
9:31:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK WE HAVE TO QUESTION IN DECEMBER,
9:31:55AM THAT'S MY OPINION.
9:31:56AM I'M NOT TRYING TO SWAY ANYBODY'S MIND.
9:31:59AM GIVE ME THE LIST OF ALL THE EMPLOYEES.
9:32:01AM TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE PAID, TELL ME WHAT BENEFITS THEY HAVE
9:32:03AM COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE.
9:32:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU MAKE A MOTION LATER TO ASK FOR THAT
9:32:07AM INFORMATION IN ADVANCE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SECOND THAT.
9:32:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL MAKE THAT LATER ON.
9:32:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:32:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I REMEMBER MANY, MANY DECADES AGO WE USED
9:32:14AM TO RUN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
9:32:15AM WE USES IT RUN ALL OF THAT.
9:32:17AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHANGED BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY SAY
9:32:20AM WE DON'T HAVE THE PARKS NOW OR SOME DIFFICULTIES.
9:32:22AM I KNOW, WHEN WE RAN IT, IT WAS MORE EFFICIENT.
9:32:28AM I KNOW TIMES CHANGE, WE USED TO CALL IT SUB 4.
9:32:35AM A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE REMEMBER THAT.
9:32:38AM MAY BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, MS. COLINA, JUST TO MAKE SURE,
9:32:45AM YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE CHANGING, PRICES ARE GOING UP.
9:32:48AM WHAT IS THE COST VARIABLE VERSUS US VERSUS THEM.
9:32:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK THEM, GIVE ME A LIST
9:32:55AM OF ALL YOUR VENDORS AND WHAT YOU'RE PAYING.
9:32:58AM I DON'T KNOW.
9:32:58AM WE HAVE TO COME TO A CONSENSUS.
9:33:00AM THE ONLY WAY WE FIND OUT IS GIVE ME A LIST OF ALL YOUR
9:33:03AM VENDORS.
9:33:03AM LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE PRODUCT EVEN THOUGH
9:33:06AM THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE BUYING IT AND SENDING IT TO US AT
9:33:09AM THE SAME PRICE.
9:33:10AM I HAVE TO BELIEVE IT BUT IT SWALLOWS MY THROAT SOMETIMES
9:33:14AM RASP WHEN I HAVE TO SWALLOW IRON INSTEAD OF FILET MIGNON.
9:33:20AM BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS.
9:33:21AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND FOR YOUR
9:33:23AM QUESTIONS.
9:33:24AM I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT AS I'VE BEEN IN THIS SEAT, WE VISITED
9:33:28AM A COUPLE OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
9:33:29AM WE VISITED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OTHERS, JUST COMPARING
9:33:35AM AND SEEING HOW ARE WE DOING COMPARED TO OTHERS AND WHAT IS
9:33:38AM THAT BEST PRACTICE.
9:33:39AM I CAN ASSURE YOU WITH THE CLIMATE WE'RE IN WITH THE
9:33:43AM AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY AND THE SUPPLY SHORTAGE ISSUE, THIS
9:33:46AM CONTRACT WITH MANCON, WHICH THEY CHARGE US NO MARKUP ON THE
9:33:49AM PARTS, HAS REALLY PLACED US IN A GOOD POSITION BECAUSE THE
9:33:52AM LAST PLACE ANY ONE OF US WOULD EVER WANT TO BE IN, IS IF
9:33:55AM SOMEONE WERE TO CALL FOR POLICE OR FIRE TO SHOW UP, SORRY,
9:33:59AM WE COULDN'T COME BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET A SPARK PLUG.
9:34:01AM THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
9:34:03AM THE BUYING POWER OF MANCON, WHICH IS A NATIONWIDE CONTRACT,
9:34:06AM AND THEY ACTUALLY SERVICE OUR MILITARY AS WELL, HAS REALLY
9:34:09AM BEEN TO OUR ADVANTAGE, ESPECIALLY NOW.
9:34:11AM ABSOLUTELY MOVING FORWARD IN 2024, WHEN WE PUT THIS OUT FOR
9:34:19AM BID, DEFINITELY ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE BEST OPTION AND THE
9:34:22AM BEST SERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS.
9:34:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
9:34:27AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BECAUSE THIS IS PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE
9:34:33AM AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS OUT OF TOWN, WOULD YOU PREFER TO
9:34:35AM SAVE THIS UNTIL YOU MAKE THE MOTIONS FOR PUBLIC WORKS?
9:34:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: SURE.
9:34:40AM WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT.
9:34:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:34:44AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: THANK YOU ALL.
9:34:45AM HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
9:34:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, YOU TOO.
9:34:48AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
9:34:50AM IS STAFF HERE FOR THAT?
9:34:52AM MS. TRAVIS.
9:34:57AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:34:57AM NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
9:35:01AM OPPORTUNITY.
9:35:01AM STEPHEN BENSON SUBMITTED A REPORT ON THESE ITEMS.
9:35:05AM THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN A LONG LIST THAT'S BEEN CIRCULATING
9:35:07AM FOR SOME TIME AND THE MEMO STATES THAT ALL OF THE ITEMS ARE
9:35:13AM BEING WORKED ON WITH THE DIFFERENT STUDIES THAT WE HAVE.
9:35:15AM I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND WE APPRECIATE WORKING WITH
9:35:18AM THE COMMUNITY AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM MS. POYNOR IN HER
9:35:24AM CORRESPONDENCE.
9:35:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
9:35:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:35:30AM HERE'S AN E-MAIL THAT NICOLE AND I RECEIVED FROM STEPHANIE
9:35:35AM POYNOR.
9:35:35AM I'LL PASS IT DOWN AND IF YOU ALL COULD GIVE IT TO THE CLERK
9:35:40AM FOR THE FILE.
9:35:41AM WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE SOG
9:35:46AM LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD LIKE COUNCIL
9:35:48AM MEMBER CARLSON TO RELEASE STAFF FROM THE EXPECTATION OF
9:35:49AM REPORTING BACK ON THIS ISSUE.
9:35:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE REPORT?
9:35:54AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:35:55AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE
9:35:58AM NOVEMBER 2022 QUARTERLY STAFF REPORT ON THE ITEMS OF CONCERN
9:36:01AM TO THE SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AND ACCEPT THIS
9:36:04AM AS THE FINAL REPORT ON THIS ITEM WITH NO FURTHER REPORTING
9:36:07AM REQUIRED.
9:36:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS MADE A MOTION.
9:36:12AM IS THERE A SECOND?
9:36:13AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:36:14AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:36:16AM IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS?
9:36:22AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU.
9:36:22AM AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
9:36:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:36:24AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, MS. WYNN.
9:36:36AM >>OCEA WYNN: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:36:38AM OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
9:36:42AM AFFAIRS.
9:36:43AM I WAS ASKED TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 TO
9:36:46AM REPORT ON THE VOLUNTEER CORP FOR ASSISTING WITH EMERGENCY
9:36:51AM EVENTS SUCH AS THE SANDBAGS, AS WELL AS TO REPORT ON
9:36:55AM PET-FRIENDLY SHELTERS.
9:36:57AM I SUBMITTED A MEMO AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT
9:37:00AM YOU MAY HAVE.
9:37:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
9:37:05AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:37:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU
9:37:12AM ALL DID AND THE WAY YOU HANDLED IT WAS ACCEPTABLE.
9:37:16AM HOWEVER, THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE DISTRIBUTION BECAUSE THE
9:37:19AM LINES ARE GETTING SO LONG, THE ONE ON MacDILL, WHEN YOU
9:37:24AM WENT LINED UP TO GET TO THE SANDBAGS, IT WAS ALL THE WAY
9:37:27AM FROM THE PARK ALL THE WAY AROUND PAST TO SPRUCE ALL THE WAY
9:37:31AM WEST TO HALFWAY TO HIMES ALMOST, NOT HIMES, BUT LINCOLN, I'M
9:37:36AM SORRY.
9:37:37AM AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS.
9:37:40AM I'M NOT CASTING STONES.
9:37:41AM I THINK YOU HAD TO DO IT AS AN EMERGENCY THING BECAUSE IT
9:37:44AM WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AND THEN IT SHOWED UP.
9:37:48AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING.
9:37:50AM WE HAVE TO HAVE INSTEAD OF ONE OR TWO, WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE
9:37:53AM OR SIX.
9:37:54AM I THINK DISTRIBUTION THAT WAY DOESN'T CLOG UP THE STREETS
9:37:57AM BECAUSE COULD AVOID SOME ACCIDENTS.
9:37:59AM THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
9:38:01AM >>OCEA WYNN: YES.
9:38:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO
9:38:06AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:38:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE MACHINES.
9:38:09AM HAVE WE LOOKED INTO THOSE MACHINES?
9:38:12AM >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
9:38:13AM I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.
9:38:15AM SO, YES, WE HAVE LOOKED INTO SANDBAG MACHINES.
9:38:19AM IF I MAY, TRYING TO GET TO WHY THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED, I
9:38:23AM WAS UNPREPARED TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.
9:38:27AM ONE, COUNCIL MIRANDA, IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN WE DO
9:38:33AM WITH THE VOLUNTEERS AND HOW WE CAN BEST USE THEM.
9:38:37AM THE ISSUE OF A PROBLEM -- ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I THINK WE'RE
9:38:41AM TRYING TO SOLVE IS JUST HOW DO WE RELIEVE THOSE PRESSURE
9:38:45AM POINTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? AND THE SOLUTION TO THAT IS TO
9:38:50AM IDENTIFY OTHER AREAS WHERE WE CAN SET UP SANDBAG LOCATIONS.
9:38:55AM WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS.
9:38:58AM IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS SO THAT
9:39:02AM WE WON'T SET UP AN AREA AND THEN WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM IN
9:39:06AM ANOTHER AREA BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT OUT.
9:39:09AM SO WE ARE, IN FACT, WORKING ON THAT.
9:39:11AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, IN TERMS OF THE SANDBAG MACHINES, YES.
9:39:15AM WE ARE LOOKING INTO THAT, AND THE MOST RECENT EXPENSE FOR
9:39:20AM OUR MACHINE WAS ABOUT 40, 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
9:39:25AM HOWEVER, THAT MACHINE IS ABLE TO FILL APPROXIMATELY A
9:39:30AM THOUSAND SANDBAGS IN AN HOUR.
9:39:33AM SO WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE HOW DO WE BEST POSTURE THE MACHINE,
9:39:38AM HOW DO WE ACTUALLY FIND THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE WE NEED TO SET
9:39:44AM UP ADDITIONAL SITES SO WE CAN RELIEVE THE PRESSURE IN THE
9:39:47AM COMMUNITY.
9:39:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE THE MACHINES MOBILE AT ALL?
9:39:52AM >>OCEA WYNN: COUNCILMAN GUDES, I'LL HAVE TO LET YOU KNOW
9:39:54AM THAT.
9:39:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE REASON I ASK THAT, IF THEY ARE MOBILE,
9:39:57AM PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THOSE -- I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE
9:40:02AM HOLDUP AS WELL.
9:40:03AM WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE BAGS SHOVELED.
9:40:06AM IF THEY ARE PRE-BAGGED -- AGAIN, I STILL CONTEND THAT YOU
9:40:11AM STILL HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
9:40:18AM IF WE KNOW SOMETHING IS COMING, WE CAN UTILIZE THOSE HANDS
9:40:21AM TO HELP US IN THAT ASPECT AS WELL.
9:40:24AM I THINK THE BIGGEST PART YOU HAVE IS TRANSPORTATION FOR
9:40:29AM PEOPLE.
9:40:30AM WHEN YOU HAVE SOME OF OUR SENIORS -- I WENT OUT THERE AND
9:40:34AM FILLED UP MY CAR WITH SEVERAL BAGS TO TAKE TO SENIORS.
9:40:38AM THEY CAN'T GET OUT THERE.
9:40:40AM WE CAN'T FIX EVERYTHING, I UNDERSTAND.
9:40:42AM I DON'T KNOW IF WE MAY LOOK AT BRINGING -- THE OVERTIME TO
9:40:48AM WHERE YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE TRUCKS WHERE YOU GET CALL
9:40:50AM INS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SENIORS THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM TAKE
9:40:53AM THE BAGS TO THEM.
9:40:55AM THEY DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
9:40:56AM THEY ARE STUCK IN, TOO.
9:40:58AM WE CAN'T FIX EVERY PROBLEM BUT WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM
9:41:01AM AND SEE HOW -- WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
9:41:04AM >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
9:41:06AM IN TERMS OF DISTRIBUTING OR DELIVERING TO SENIORS, WE DID
9:41:13AM SOME OF THAT AS A TEST IF WE KNEW THERE WERE SOME.
9:41:16AM WE HAD THE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF CAN WE PRE-BAG THESE
9:41:20AM SANDBAGS.
9:41:21AM WE, IN FACT, DID THAT.
9:41:22AM WHEN WE PRE-BAG, WE PRIMARILY GIVE THOSE TO THE SENIORS.
9:41:27AM SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE'RE BEING A LOT MORE FLEXIBLE IN
9:41:31AM WHAT WE CAN DO AND HOW WE CAN HANDLE THE SANDBAG SITUATION
9:41:36AM -- IT'S NOT A SITUATION, BUT THE GOOD PROBLEM THAT WE DO
9:41:39AM HAVE.
9:41:40AM IN ADDITION TO THAT -- ONE MORE SECOND -- THAT IS WE ARE
9:41:44AM LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES, SUSTAINABLE ALTERNATIVES IN TERMS
9:41:47AM OF HOW DO WE REUSE, WHAT DEVICES ARE OUT THERE SO WE CAN
9:41:54AM REUSE THE SANDBAGS.
9:41:55AM SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.
9:41:57AM SO WE'RE NOT JUST DEPENDING ON JUST THE SAND OR THE SANDBAG
9:42:02AM MACHINES.
9:42:03AM WE ARE BRINGING IN VENDORS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IT THEY HAVE
9:42:06AM TO OFFER AND THEN DOES IT FIT FOR WHAT WE DO IN TOWN.
9:42:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: -- SAND AT ONE POINT, RIGHT?
9:42:14AM >>OCEA WYNN: AS LONG AS WE HAVE BEACHES, WE WILL NOT RUN OUT
9:42:16AM OF SAND.
9:42:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE TO GO GET IT.
9:42:20AM >>OCEA WYNN: WE HAVE A BACKUP.
9:42:23AM WE HAVE VENDORS THAT WE CAN GET THE SAND TO.
9:42:26AM IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW QUICKLY THEY CAN GET IT TO US.
9:42:30AM I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
9:42:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, ARE YOU FINISHED?
9:42:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YEAH, I THINK THE INVESTMENT NEEDS TO BE
9:42:41AM MADE IN A COUPLE OF MACHINES.
9:42:42AM WE HAVE A BIGGER CITY GROWING.
9:42:44AM MIGHT AS WELL PUT IT IN THERE FOR LATER SO WE CAN HAVE THEM
9:42:47AM AND GET THEM MOVING.
9:42:48AM I DON'T WANT TO DELAY.
9:42:50AM THERE ARE A COUPLE MACHINES OUT THERE, WE NEED TO REALLOCATE
9:42:53AM SOME THINGS IN THE BUDGET.
9:42:54AM WE HAVE STORM HERE'S.
9:42:55AM I THINK THAT IS A NEED AND A PRIORITY.
9:42:58AM THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
9:42:59AM GET A COUPLE OF MACHINES, WE NEED TO DO IT.
9:43:01AM THANK YOU, SIR.
9:43:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:43:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: AT THIS CITY, WE HAVE A BUDGET OF LIKE 1.9
9:43:10AM BILLION, AND WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE
9:43:14AM $12 MILLION BOATHOUSES.
9:43:18AM HURRICANES ARE A TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE THE MOST AFRAID.
9:43:22AM THEY ARE MOST VULNERABLE.
9:43:24AM THEY ARE DESPERATE.
9:43:25AM THEY GET THEIR FAMILY OUT OR GET THEIR FAMILY TO SHELTER,
9:43:30AM GET THEIR PETS TO SHELTER ALSO.
9:43:31AM SOME OF THEM HAVE HEALTH CONCERNS AND THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT
9:43:34AM WHETHER THEIR MACHINES ARE GOING TO BE WORKING.
9:43:37AM AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT FLOODING
9:43:39AM IN THEIR HOMES AND THEY RUSH TO THE CITY SANDBAG LOTS AND
9:43:43AM THEY WAIT FOR HOURS.
9:43:46AM THEY ARE NATURAL UPSET AND WORRIED THAT THE TIME THEY ARE
9:43:49AM SPENDING THERE IS GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO NOT MAKE IT BACK IN
9:43:52AM TIME TO HELP THEIR FAMILY.
9:43:55AM OCEA AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY.
9:43:57AM I THINK THAT 50,000, 100,000.
9:44:01AM 150,000, CONSIDERING THE MONEY WE WASTE ON OTHER THINGS, IT
9:44:04AM IS WORTH IT TO REDUCE THE STRESS OF OUR PEOPLE.
9:44:06AM PEOPLE WANT TO FEEL PROTECTED AND KNOW THAT THE CITY CARES
9:44:09AM ABOUT PROTECTING THEM.
9:44:11AM AND HAVING MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE SANDBAGGING IS NEVER GOING
9:44:15AM TO TAKE THE PLACE OF WHAT MACHINES CAN DO.
9:44:18AM WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, AND, BY THE WAY, I HEARD MORE
9:44:22AM COMPLAINTS.
9:44:23AM I WOULDN'T EXACTLY CALL THEM COMPLAINTS, BUT PEOPLE WERE
9:44:25AM TERRIFIED THEY WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE IT BACK TO THEIR HOMES
9:44:29AM IN TIME OR GET STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
9:44:30AM BUT SO MANY PEOPLE COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS, LIKE I GUESS
9:44:33AM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES HEARD.
9:44:35AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF REPORT BACK
9:44:39AM TO US ON JANUARY 19th ABOUT HOW TO PURCHASE SANDBAGGING
9:44:46AM MACHINES AND HOW TO REDUCE THE LINES AT THE SANDBAG CENTERS.
9:44:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
9:44:56AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:44:57AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:44:59AM >> AYE.
9:44:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OBJECTIONS?
9:45:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU TO OCEA AND HER DEPARTMENT FOR
9:45:03AM RESEARCHING ALL OF THIS PROACTIVELY.
9:45:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
9:45:10AM MS. WYNN, AS A PERSON WHO WAS OUT THERE FILLING UP SANDBAGS,
9:45:15AM I WANT TO THANK STAFF, AND I WANT TO THANK PARKS AND
9:45:17AM RECREATION.
9:45:20AM FAMILIES OUT THERE HELPING TO FILL OUT SANDBAGS WHEN THEY
9:45:22AM COULD HAVE BEEN HOME HELPING THEIR FAMILIES SECURE THEIR
9:45:25AM HOMES FOR THE HURRICANE.
9:45:27AM THANK YOU.
9:45:28AM WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.
9:45:29AM EXCUSE ME.
9:45:31AM WE LEARN THROUGH EVERY EXPERIENCE WE GO THROUGH.
9:45:34AM I'M SURE THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL LEARN FROM THE EXPERIENCE WE
9:45:37AM WENT THROUGH FROM THE LAST TWO HURRICANES.
9:45:39AM MS. WYNN, THANK YOU.
9:45:40AM THANKS PARKS AND RECREATION.
9:45:43AM AND THANK MS. SHERISHA HILLS FOR ME ALSO.
9:45:46AM >>OCEA WYNN: WILL DO.
9:45:47AM AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
9:45:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:45:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. WYNN, SINCE I HAVE YOU HERE, MR.
9:46:00AM CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR.
9:46:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
9:46:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 5, I KNOW THERE WAS A MEMO, BUT
9:46:07AM I KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PUT OFF FOR MANY, MANY
9:46:12AM YEARS.
9:46:13AM I REMEMBER WE FIRST GOT THAT TURF FIELD PUT IN THERE.
9:46:17AM I WAS ONE OF THE SIGNATURES ON THAT BECAUSE YOU HAD TO HAVE
9:46:19AM AN ORGANIZATION, FOOTBALL PROGRAM WAS PART OF THAT WHEN THAT
9:46:22AM TURF FIELD GOT IN THERE.
9:46:24AM THEY ARE TEARING THE FIELD UP.
9:46:26AM THEY ARE TEARING THE FIELD UP.
9:46:28AM WE'VE GOT TO SECURE THAT FACILITY.
9:46:32AM AT THAT TIME, IT COST US A MILLION DOLLARS WHEN IT WAS LOW
9:46:35AM TO GET IT IN THERE.
9:46:37AM MIGHT HAVE BEEN 1.5.
9:46:39AM NOW, THEY ARE JUST TEARING IT UP.
9:46:41AM SO WE'VE GOT TO GO AND SECURE SO WE CAN KEEP THE MOTORBIKES
9:46:46AM OUT OF THERE SO THEY CAN'T GET IN THERE.
9:46:51AM THE WESTERN WALL BY THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, KEEP CUTTING THAT
9:46:54AM WIRE FENCE, WE HAVE TO SECURE THE FACILITY.
9:46:56AM AGAIN, I KNOW, WE HATE TO ASK CRA FOR MONEY AS WELL, BECAUSE
9:47:03AM CRA IS DESIGNED FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I THINK THIS MIGHT
9:47:06AM FALL INTO THE REALM TO HELP THAT IF WE CANNOT FIND THE MONEY
9:47:09AM IN OUR BUDGET.
9:47:10AM I'M JUST SAYING WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT FENCE IN.
9:47:13AM I MADE A MOTION ABOUT THAT IN 2019, PAUL DIAL.
9:47:18AM IT WAS MADE PRIOR TO THAT.
9:47:19AM WE HAVE TO GET GOOD FENCING AT THAT PARK.
9:47:22AM >>OCEA WYNN: WE'LL GET IT DONE, SIR.
9:47:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
9:47:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6.
9:47:33AM JOHNSON.
9:47:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:47:38AM CALVIN JOHNSON, DEPUTY CHIEF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, HERE
9:47:42AM TO REPORT ON ITEM NUMBER 6.
9:47:45AM I GOT CAPTAIN TRAVIS MOSS IN CHARGE OF OUR VIOLENT CRIME
9:47:48AM BUREAU, AND I GOT DAVE FLEET FROM SHOT SPOTTER TO ANSWER ANY
9:47:51AM QUESTIONS.
9:47:52AM AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'LL HAVE CAPTAIN TRAVIS MOSS GIVE AN
9:47:57AM UPDATE ON THE VIOLENT CRIME AND SHOT SPOTTER.
9:48:00AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:48:01AM MY NAME IS TRAVIS MOSS.
9:48:02AM CAPTAIN OF THE VIOLENT CRIMES BUREAU.
9:48:05AM PREVIOUSLY WE WERE ASKED TO COME IN AND DO A SWOT ANALYSIS
9:48:08AM FOR SHOT SPOTTER.
9:48:11AM GOING OVER SOME NUMBERS JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, SHOT
9:48:14AM SPOTTER BASICALLY COVERS APPROXIMATELY FOUR SQUARE MILES OF
9:48:17AM THE 175 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY AND ENCOMPASSES 17 SCHOOLS,
9:48:22AM 10 PARKS.
9:48:23AM BETWEEN 2021 AND 2022, THERE'S BEEN A DECREASE OF ABOUT 30%
9:48:28AM OF THE SHOT SPOTTER ALERTS WE'VE HAD IN THAT AREA.
9:48:33AM THE CRIME HAS GONE DOWN IN THE SHOT SPOTTER AREA AS FAR AS
9:48:37AM VIOLENT CRIME, AS FAR AS SHOOTINGS GOES.
9:48:40AM I CAN GO INTO FURTHER STATS IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
9:48:43AM BASICALLY, IT HAS BEEN A TOOL THAT WE USE IN THE CITY.
9:48:46AM IT'S BEEN PRETTY EFFECTIVE.
9:48:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:48:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT
9:48:56AM THIS SUBJECT.
9:48:57AM SHE IS NOT HERE.
9:48:58AM IT WAS HER MOTION WITH MR. MANISCALCO, I BELIEVE.
9:49:03AM WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT THE SHOT SPOTTER IS I DON'T THINK ANY
9:49:08AM GUARANTEED NUMBERS OR STATS ON IT.
9:49:10AM WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT IT DOES HELP AT TIMES.
9:49:16AM WE HAD A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS I THINK ABOUT A MONTH AGO WHERE
9:49:19AM SOMEONE WAS SHOT.
9:49:20AM WITHOUT THE SHOT SPOTTER, THE PERSON PROBABLY WOULD HAVE
9:49:23AM BEEN DEAD, I BELIEVE.
9:49:24AM BUT THE SHOT SPOTTER WAS ABLE TO GET POLICE THERE TO FIND
9:49:28AM THAT VICTIM TO GET HIM TO THE HOSPITAL.
9:49:30AM SOME MAY FEEL IT'S A WASTE, BUT THERE ARE SOME PROS TO IT.
9:49:37AM IF THAT WAS YOUR LOVED ONE AND THEY WERE IN THAT ALLEY AT
9:49:40AM THAT STORE BLEEDING TO DEATH AND YOU HAD NO AVENUE OF NO ONE
9:49:45AM KNEW THEY WERE THERE, HOW DO YOU FEEL?
9:49:48AM BUT THE SHOT SPOTTER WAS ABLE TO BE ABLE TO ALERT LAW
9:49:57AM ENFORCEMENT TO SCOUR THE AREA, AND THEY FOUND THE GENTLEMAN
9:49:59AM SHOT.
9:50:00AM IT'S HAPPENED MORE THAN ONCE.
9:50:02AM I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
9:50:04AM IT IS A TOOL.
9:50:05AM SOME MIGHT SAY IT COSTS, EXPENSIVE, THE NUMBERS, BUT
9:50:09AM SOMETIMES -- I DON'T BELIEVE IN STATS.
9:50:14AM STATS CAN BE SKEWED ANY KIND OF WAY.
9:50:16AM I BELIEVE IN RESULTS.
9:50:22AM NOT DOING A NUMBER GAMES.
9:50:23AM SOMETIMES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS NUMBERS.
9:50:25AM SOMETIMES NUMBERS DON'T REALLY TELL THE TRUE STORY
9:50:28AM SOMETIMES.
9:50:29AM I CAN TELL THE STORY WHEN I CAN SAY SOMETHING WORKED.
9:50:33AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL, BUT I WOULD BE IN
9:50:36AM FAVOR OF KEEPING THE PROGRAM AT THIS TIME BECAUSE I CAN SEE
9:50:38AM THE BENEFIT THAT IT DID OR DOES HELP SOME PEOPLE IN DISTRESS
9:50:43AM AT TIMES.
9:50:44AM A LOT OF TIMES IT GETS SCREWED BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE
9:50:47AM SHOOTING FIRECRACKERS, AND IT THROWS IT OFF A LITTLE BIT
9:50:51AM WITH YOUR NUMBERS.
9:50:52AM IN MOST CASES, IF SHOTS ARE FIRED, POLICE CAN GET TO THE
9:50:55AM OTHER AREA QUICKLY TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAYBE PREVENT
9:50:59AM SOMETHING ELSE FROM GOING ON.
9:51:00AM I DON'T LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
9:51:03AM I LOOK AT THE ACTUAL WORK THAT IT'S DOING.
9:51:08AM DID IT DO IN I GO?
9:51:09AM DID IT PREVENT ANYTHING?
9:51:10AM IN THIS CASE, IT HAS PREVENTED SOME DEATHS BECAUSE POLICE
9:51:13AM OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO GET THERE TO GIVE SOMEBODY SOME AID.
9:51:16AM THAT'S MY SPIEL.
9:51:18AM I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:51:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:51:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THE CASE YOU MENTIONED, THE PERSON
9:51:23AM WAS DECEASED ALREADY OR PASSED AWAY.
9:51:27AM AND THE QUESTION IS -- THE QUESTION ABOUT SHOT SPOTTER,
9:51:31AM SETTING ASIDE ALL THE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES WHICH HAVE BEEN
9:51:33AM COVERED IN THE MEDIA, THE ISSUE IS COULD THIS MONEY BE
9:51:36AM BETTER SPENT?
9:51:38AM WHAT I HEAR FROM THE POLICE OFFICERS, BECAUSE I THINK THEY
9:51:40AM ARE THE ONES THAT -- THE BEAT OFFICERS OR THE ONES AFFECTED
9:51:45AM BY THIS IS THEY WANT MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE FIELD.
9:51:48AM WE'RE SHORT ABOUT 200 OFFICERS FROM WHERE WE WERE ABOUT 15
9:51:52AM YEARS AGO.
9:51:53AM THEY FEEL OVERTAXED AND 250,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS, IT MAY BE
9:51:57AM A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT IT COULD PAY FOR TWO OR SO
9:52:01AM POLICE OFFICERS.
9:52:05AM LET ME ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
9:52:06AM HOW MANY OF THESE ARE IN SOUTH TAMPA?
9:52:10AM >> THERE IS NO SHOT SPOTTER IN SOUTH TAMPA.
9:52:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MANY IN WEST TAMPA?
9:52:14AM >> NOTHING IN WEST TAMPA.
9:52:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: NEW TAMPA?
9:52:16AM >> THERE'S NOTHING IN NEW TAMPA.
9:52:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: SHOOTINGS IN YBOR ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND.
9:52:21AM HOW MANY IN YBOR CITY.
9:52:23AM >> SHOT SPOTTER ENDS JUST NORTH OF YBOR CITY.
9:52:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ALL SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON THIS.
9:52:28AM IT'S RED LINING WITH TECHNOLOGY IN A WAY.
9:52:31AM THERE IS VIOLENT ACTIVITY ALL OVER THE CITY AND IT'S EASY TO
9:52:35AM PLAY WITH NUMBERS, AS COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID.
9:52:38AM I'LL USE THAT ARGUMENT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
9:52:40AM THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE IN TAMPA HAS GONE UP EVERY YEAR FOR
9:52:43AM THE LAST THREE YEARS.
9:52:44AM EVEN THOUGH WE SUPPORTED EVERY EXPENDITURE AND GONE UP
9:52:47AM HIGHER THAN NATIONAL AVERAGE.
9:52:49AM YOU CAN SEE THE TIMES EDITORIAL ABOUT THAT.
9:52:51AM WHEN YOU ASK ACTUAL POLICE OFFICERS THEY SAY WE NEED MORE
9:52:54AM POLICE OFFICERS IN THE FIELD.
9:52:56AM AND THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S ONLY DEPLOYED IN EAST TAMPA.
9:52:59AM IT'S NOT EVEN DEPLOYED IN YBOR CITY.
9:53:01AM YBOR CITY, I'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH CHIEFS OF POLICE
9:53:04AM AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND OTHERS.
9:53:06AM YBOR CITY IS BEGGING FOR HELP AND FOR SOME REASON SOMEBODY
9:53:09AM DIDN'T PUT THESE IN YBOR CITY.
9:53:11AM THE OTHER THING IS, I WON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS EXACTLY
9:53:14AM RIGHT, BUT ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS IS, WELL, 90% OF THESE ARE
9:53:18AM NOT CALLED INTO 911.
9:53:19AM IF THERE IS A DEAD BODY BEHIND A CONVENIENCE STORE, SOMEBODY
9:53:24AM WILL EVENTUALLY CALL IT IN.
9:53:25AM IT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE SOMEBODY'S LIFE WOULD BE SAVED, BUT IF
9:53:29AM I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, OUT OF 500 CALLS A YEAR, ONLY ABOUT
9:53:32AM 125 OR 140 WERE ACTUALLY INVESTIGATED FURTHER THAN LOOKING
9:53:36AM AT SOME SHELLS.
9:53:37AM OUT OF THOSE ONLY ABOUT 25 HAD CHARGES APPLIED TO THEM.
9:53:44AM WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW MANY OF THOSE 25 WERE NOT
9:53:47AM CALLED INTO 911?
9:53:48AM THE ONLY EXAMPLE GIVEN TO ME, WHICH MAYBE WAS NOT EVEN IN
9:53:51AM THE 25, WAS THIS ONE ABOUT THE PERSON WHO WAS ALREADY
9:53:53AM DECEASED.
9:53:54AM THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU TALK TO ACTUAL POLICE OFFICERS, AND
9:53:58AM HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY, MORE THAN
9:54:00AM ANYTHING, IS IT WASTE POLICE OFFICERS' TIME.
9:54:03AM IF WE'RE ALREADY SHORT 200 POLICE OFFICERS, AND IF POLICE
9:54:06AM OFFICERS FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE ABOUT 35% OF THE TIME TO
9:54:11AM PATROL, AS THEY DID 15 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF PAPERWORK AND
9:54:15AM WE'RE USING TWO DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES TO TRACK, I DON'T
9:54:17AM KNOW WHY WE USE TWO DIFFERENT SOFTWARE PACKAGES, BUT WE USE
9:54:21AM TWO DIFFERENT SOFTWARE PACKAGES TO MONITOR THINGS, THIS IS A
9:54:24AM HUGE BURDEN ON THEM.
9:54:25AM WHAT ONE POLICE OFFICER SAID IS I WAS GOING TO A SITE WITH
9:54:29AM MY PARTNER, BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO GO TO THESE OTHER
9:54:33AM SITES, WE HAD PULL AWAY.
9:54:35AM IT PUT MY PARTNER IN A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
9:54:38AM IF 360 OR SO OF THESE LEAD TO NOTHING, THEY EITHER SEE
9:54:44AM NOTHING OR THEY SEE GUN SHELLS.
9:54:46AM WHAT THE POLICE OFFICERS SAY IS WE GO OUT THERE, REMEMBER,
9:54:49AM THERE'S VIOLENT CRIME GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
9:54:51AM VIOLENT CRIME RATE SHOT UP MORE THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
9:54:54AM SO POLICE OFFICERS, WE'RE ALREADY 200 SHORT, WHAT THEY DO IS
9:54:56AM THEY HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THIS.
9:54:58AM SPEND AN HOUR OR TWO LOOKING AROUND.
9:55:00AM IF THEY FIND SHELLS, THEN THEY HAVE TO CALL FORENSICS.
9:55:04AM THEY COME OUT, DOCUMENT, TAKE PHOTOS WITH POLICE OFFICERS
9:55:08AM WAITING.
9:55:08AM THEN FORENSICS TAKES IT BACK TO THE OFFICE TO INVESTIGATE
9:55:10AM IT, WHICH TAKES SEVERAL MORE HOURS OF SEVERAL MORE PEOPLE'S
9:55:13AM TIME.
9:55:14AM THEN THE POLICE OFFICER HAS TO WRITE A REPORT THAT MIGHT
9:55:16AM TAKE AN HOUR OR TWO.
9:55:18AM INSTEAD WE NEED POLICE OFFICERS ON THE GROUND FIGHTING CRIME
9:55:21AM AND PREVENTING CRIME.
9:55:22AM WHEN POLICE OFFICERS TELL ME THIS IS A WASTE OF MONEY AND
9:55:25AM WASTE OF THEIR TIME, THEIR TIME IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE
9:55:27AM 250,000, I'M NOT SUPPORTING IT.
9:55:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN I RESPOND TO THAT?
9:55:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:55:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:55:35AM I'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES.
9:55:38AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:55:40AM COUNCILMAN GUDES IS A FORMER POLICE OFFICER, SO HE'S GOT
9:55:43AM MORE EXPERIENCE THAN OTHERS.
9:55:45AM WHEN SECONDS COUNT, POLICE ARE MINUTES AWAY.
9:55:51AM THIS IS A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX THAT WILL ALLOW OFFICERS A
9:55:55AM LITTLE EXTRA HELP.
9:55:57AM ANOTHER THING IS, AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT IT UP, IS
9:56:00AM THE SHORTAGE OF POLICE OFFICERS.
9:56:01AM I'VE BEEN -- WE'VE ALL BEEN RECEIVING THE E-MAILS FROM THE
9:56:04AM PIO OF VIOLENT CRIME SHOOTINGS, DEATHS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:56:09AM EITHER I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION OR WE HAVE A VIOLENT CRIME
9:56:13AM ISSUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHICH MEANS WE NEED ONE OF TWO
9:56:17AM THINGS: MORE TECHNOLOGY, EXPAND THE SHOT SPOTTER PROGRAM.
9:56:21AM BECAUSE AS YBOR CITY WAS MENTIONED.
9:56:23AM YBOR CITY HAS HAD SOME ISSUES.
9:56:24AM I'M HEARING IT A FEW TIMES A WEEK.
9:56:27AM NOT EVERY DAY, BUT FEW TIMES A WEEK, SHOOTING, GUN,
9:56:30AM SOMETHING.
9:56:30AM I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST.
9:56:32AM AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH POLICE
9:56:34AM OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:56:34AM IF YOU LOOK BACK I WANT TO SAY DURING THE FREEDMAN
9:56:38AM ADMINISTRATION, I THINK THERE WAS A PROPOSED MILLAGE
9:56:41AM INCREASE.
9:56:41AM THAT'S WHAT THEY DID AT THE TIME TO GET FUNDING TO HIRE MORE
9:56:45AM POLICE OFFICERS.
9:56:46AM PERHAPS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS BRINGING MORE.
9:56:50AM I KNOW WE SWORE IN QUITE A FEW NEW OFFICERS THE OTHER DAY,
9:56:54AM BUT CITY OF TAMPA IS GROWING.
9:56:56AM AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
9:56:58AM WE HAVE, WHAT, ABOUT A THOUSAND SWORN OFFICERS, GIVE OR
9:57:02AM TAKE, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY.
9:57:05AM MAYBE WE NEED TO HIRE MORE OFFICERS TO AID THE EXISTING
9:57:10AM OFFICERS TO HAVE BETTER RESPONSE TIME.
9:57:12AM WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE THIS CITY SAFER.
9:57:15AM I'M NOT AGAINST THIS PROGRAM.
9:57:18AM I SEE THE BENEFITS OF IT BECAUSE IF YOU CAN SAVE ONE LIFE,
9:57:21AM IF YOU CAN SOLVE ONE MORE CRIME, WHATEVER IT TAKES.
9:57:24AM BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE NEED MORE MANPOWER.
9:57:27AM I'LL STOP THERE.
9:57:28AM BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS.
9:57:29AM THANK YOU.
9:57:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF JOHNSON, GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
9:57:32AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU WANT TO RESPOND?
9:57:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
9:57:35AM ALL OF THE THINGS MR. CARLSON SAYS ARE VALID.
9:57:40AM THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS THIS -- AND I DIDN'T KNOW.
9:57:43AM I DID NOT KNOW SHOT SPOTTER WASN'T ALL OVER THE CITY.
9:57:48AM THAT'S A PROBLEM.
9:57:49AM WE CAN'T SAY WE WANT TO DO ONE AREA WHEN ALL THE COUNCILMEN
9:57:53AM KNOW WE'RE GETTING CALLS ALL OVER THE CITY.
9:57:55AM THAT'S UNFAIR TO THE CITIZENS.
9:57:57AM THAT'S UNFAIR.
9:57:58AM PEOPLE CAN SAY IT'S RACIST, WHATEVER.
9:58:00AM WE DON'T WANT THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
9:58:02AM IF WE HAVE IT IN ONE AREA, IT SHOULD BE ALL OVER THE CITY.
9:58:05AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
9:58:06AM I UNDERSTAND COST, BUT YOU CAN'T PINPOINT ONE PLACE AND NOT
9:58:11AM DO OTHER.
9:58:11AM YBOR IS SPIKING, OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY HAVING SHOOTINGS.
9:58:15AM NORTH END OF TOWN, THEY HAVE SHOOTINGS AS WELL.
9:58:19AM LOOK AT THE STATS, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
9:58:21AM MR. CARLSON.
9:58:23AM YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT POINT.
9:58:24AM I RECEIVE CALLS FROM VETERAN OFFICERS, WHAT HAPPENED,
9:58:29AM GENTLEMEN, THE DROP PROGRAM BECAME GOOD TO POLICE OFFICERS.
9:58:33AM YOU UNDERSTAND.
9:58:33AM SO WHEN THAT CYCLE COMES AROUND, YOU HAVE A MASS EXODUS OF
9:58:38AM POLICE OFFICERS.
9:58:39AM MASS EXODUS.
9:58:40AM SO WE'RE NOT RECRUITING AND REFILLING THOSE SPOTS BEFORE
9:58:45AM THAT DROP COMES.
9:58:46AM NOW THE ACTUAL QUESTION, SOME OFFICERS TOLD ME TO ASK THE
9:58:49AM QUESTIONS, WHICH I KNOW THOSE KIND OF ANSWERS, WHY THIS
9:58:53AM COUNCIL ASK THE QUESTIONS.
9:58:54AM NUMBER ONE, HOW MANY ACTUAL SWORN PERSONNEL DO WE HAVE?
9:58:58AM BECAUSE YOU HAVE SWORN PERSONNEL, BUT WITHIN THAT SWORN
9:59:01AM PERSONNEL, YOU HAVE MAYBE 200, MAYBE 300 DETECTIVES --
9:59:07AM STREET PATROL.
9:59:09AM OTHER OFFICERS THAT MAY BE SWORN PERSONNEL WHO ARE IN A
9:59:12AM SPECIALIZED AREA THAT ARE NOT DOING ACTUAL BEAT CONTROL AS
9:59:16AM YOU CALL IT.
9:59:17AM WE GO TO SQUAD.
9:59:18AM SERGEANT, CORPORAL.
9:59:21AM MAYBE HAD A FAT SQUAD, MAYBE 12 OFFICERS AT A TIME.
9:59:26AM MAYBE.
9:59:27AM LET'S GO A DAY TO WHERE YOU HAVE OFFICERS WHO MIGHT TAKE A
9:59:31AM VACATION.
9:59:32AM SOMEBODY CALLS IN SICK OR SOMEONE GETS HURT.
9:59:35AM NOW THAT FAT SQUAD GOES DOWN TO MAYBE 7 OR 8.
9:59:39AM NOW LET'S SAY IT'S A BAD DAY OR THERE'S A NEED FOR OFFICERS
9:59:47AM TO BE SOMEPLACE ELSE, PARADES.
9:59:50AM NOW THE SQUAD GOES DOWN TO FILLING ZONES.
9:59:56AM THERE ARE FOUR AREAS IN A ZONE.
9:59:58AM LINCOLN ONE MAY BE THE SERGEANT.
10:00:03AM CORPORAL.
10:00:04AM IN THAT ZONE, AREA, THREE, FOUR, WHATEVER.
10:00:07AM NOW THAT'S YOUR SQUAD.
10:00:09AM NOW KILLER ZONE.
10:00:11AM KILLER ZONE MEANS THAT NOW I'M DOWN A ZONE.
10:00:15AM THAT CORPORAL IS PROBABLY GOING TO FILL THAT ZONE BECAUSE
10:00:19AM NOW YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO FILL EACH ONE OF THOSE
10:00:22AM AREAS.
10:00:23AM IF THE CORPORAL MAY BE PULLED, MAYBE THE OTHER SQUAD
10:00:27AM SUPERVISOR IS OUT, ON VACATION, NOW THAT CORPORAL BECOMES AN
10:00:31AM ACTING PERSON FOR THAT OTHER SQUAD OVER THERE.
10:00:33AM NOW YOU PULLED ANOTHER PERSON.
10:00:35AM TALK ABOUT NUMBERS, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
10:00:37AM NOW YOU TALK ABOUT A NIGHT SHIFT OR EVENING SHIFT, WE TRIED
10:00:40AM TO OVERLAP THEM.
10:00:41AM THE PROBLEM IS THE MANPOWER IS DOWN.
10:00:44AM WE CAN'T USE THE ADAGE OF HOW MANY OFFICERS PER CAPITA PER
10:00:48AM CITY.
10:00:49AM THAT IS A STAT GAME AGAIN.
10:00:51AM YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR CITY, WHAT IS YOUR NEED?
10:00:54AM BUT YOU'LL HAVE SOME PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A HOUSING
10:00:57AM CRISIS.
10:00:58AM COMMUNITIES WHO SAY WE DON'T NEED MORE POLICE.
10:01:01AM YOU'RE GIVING THEM MORE MONEY ALREADY.
10:01:03AM PEOPLE SAYING MY CRIME IS GOING UP.
10:01:06AM DO SOMETHING ABOUT MY CRIME.
10:01:08AM I'VE GOT FRANKLIN ON CHELSEA AND 34th, WHERE ARE THE
10:01:13AM POLICE?
10:01:14AM WE DON'T SEE THE POLICE.
10:01:15AM YOU CAN'T SEE THE POLICE IF I'VE ONLY GOT THREE GUYS WORKING
10:01:19AM A ZONE THAT NIGHT.
10:01:21AM IF I GET A SHOOTING OR HOMICIDE, ALL THOSE GUYS, ALL THREE
10:01:24AM OF THOSE GUYS HAVE TO WORK THAT HOMICIDE.
10:01:28AM THEN A SISTER SQUAD MAYBE FROM THE OTHER SECTOR THAT COME IN
10:01:31AM TO HELP FILL CALLS.
10:01:34AM THEY ARE NOT FROM THAT AREA BUT THEY TAKE THE CALLS IN THE
10:01:37AM AREA FOR SERVICE.
10:01:38AM LET'S SAY YOU HAVE TWO SHOOTINGS, KNOWN TO HAPPEN WHERE YOU
10:01:41AM HAVE TWO CRIME SCENES.
10:01:42AM YOU HAVE TO PULL A PERSON FROM MAYBE A SECTOR.
10:01:46AM MAYBE NEEDS TO BE A TRAINING.
10:01:47AM I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMES AND
10:01:49AM EXPLAINS TO THE PUBLIC HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WORKS.
10:01:54AM HOW IS A SECTOR CREATED?
10:01:55AM IN THAT SECTOR, YOU HAVE TWO AREAS THERE.
10:02:01AM YOU HAVE A MAJOR WHO IS THE COMMANDER OF THAT DISTRICT.
10:02:04AM NOW A CAPTAIN, TWO CAPTAINS.
10:02:06AM ONE MAYBE SECTOR D, ONE DO SECTOR E.
10:02:11AM THEN YOU HAVE YOUR NUMBERS.
10:02:12AM I THINK MAYBE WE'LL MAKE A MOTION AND YOU COME AND EXPLAIN
10:02:14AM HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATES TO THE PUBLIC AND REALLY
10:02:17AM KNOW YOUR CHALLENGES SO THEY DON'T SAY, WHAT ARE THE POLICE
10:02:21AM DOING, WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM MORE MONEY.
10:02:23AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:02:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:02:31AM I CAME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, BUT I FEEL I CAN COMMENT ON
10:02:34AM IT.
10:02:35AM WE TALK ABOUT POLICE SHORTAGE AND FEWER POLICE.
10:02:38AM I DON'T HAVE THE STATS TO BACK IT, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO
10:02:41AM BET SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RETIREMENTS BECAUSE
10:02:44AM THERE'S A LOT OF DISILLUSIONMENT PROBABLY AMONG POLICE
10:02:48AM OFFICERS AND A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE LAST TWO, TWO AND A HALF
10:02:50AM YEARS HAVE FELT ATTACKED AND OVERBURDENED.
10:02:53AM WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MASS ARRESTS.
10:02:55AM WE'VE HAD COVID-19.
10:02:56AM WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHALLENGES FOR POLICE OFFICERS.
10:02:59AM THAT TO ME IS OPEN AND OBVIOUS.
10:03:01AM I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING FEWER POLICE, YOU GOT TO
10:03:05AM MENTION THAT.
10:03:05AM ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, I'D LIKE TO HEAR AND OBVIOUSLY GOD
10:03:09AM BLESS YOU GUYS, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE RANK AND FILE,
10:03:13AM EVERY SINGLE DAY POLICE OFFICERS ON WHY WE'RE NOT HAVING
10:03:15AM MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:03:18AM I GOT A FEELING MY RECKONING IS GOING TO BE ON POINT HERE.
10:03:23AM WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS
10:03:27AM PROGRAM, LET ME ASK YOU ALL THIS.
10:03:31AM IS IT ONLY IN EAST TAMPA OR NORTH TAMPA?
10:03:33AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED NEW TAMPA.
10:03:37AM ANY NORTH TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS.
10:03:41AM >> WHEN SHOT SPOTTER FIRST STARTED AND WE GOT IT, WE HAD A
10:03:45AM CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDING.
10:03:46AM WE ONLY HAD A CERTAIN AREA THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN BASED ON
10:03:50AM THE FUNDING.
10:03:51AM WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR STATS AS FAR
10:03:54AM AS FIREARMS BEING SHOT AND WHERE THEY WERE OCCURRING AT.
10:04:00AM WE HAD TWO SECTORS, SECTOR E, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT 3, AND
10:04:07AM SECTOR D IN DISTRICT 2, TO WHERE THEY WERE KIND OF
10:04:09AM COMPARABLE WITH THE GUNFIRE THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:04:13AM SO WHAT WE DID THEN IS WITH USF, SECTOR D WAS USEFUL LIKE A
10:04:18AM COMPARISON STUDY.
10:04:19AM THEY DIDN'T HAVE SHOT SPOTTER.
10:04:21AM SECTOR E DID.
10:04:23AM FINANCIALLY, TO HAVE IT INITIALLY WITHOUT DOING THAT STUDY
10:04:28AM THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY OF TAMPA WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
10:04:31AM REASONABLE.
10:04:32AM IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SMART.
10:04:33AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR VIOLENT CRIME FIREARM NUMBERS, YOU'LL
10:04:38AM BE ABLE TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY ARE OCCURRING AT.
10:04:41AM THAT'S WHERE SHOT SPOTTER WAS LOCATED, WAS BASED ON.
10:04:47AM THE NUMBER OF GUNFIRES THAT WE HAVE AND WHERE IN THE CITY.
10:04:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, SIR.
10:04:52AM YEAH, MY VIEW ON THIS, AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID, IT IS
10:04:56AM A GOOD TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.
10:04:58AM IT DOES REQUIRE, OBVIOUSLY, SOME FOLKS HAVE SAID, EVERYTHING
10:05:02AM HAS ITS EXCESS AND THINGS THAT MEAN WELL CAN GO WRONG AND
10:05:05AM HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WE COULD ALL IMPROVE ON
10:05:09AM AND THAT COULD CAUSE A LOT OF CHALLENGES, ET CETERA.
10:05:12AM SO I THINK OVERSIGHT ON THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD, BUT
10:05:15AM I THINK ABANDONING IT AT THIS TIME WOULD PROBABLY BE UNWISE.
10:05:19AM OVERSIGHT IS OBVIOUSLY WARRANTED.
10:05:21AM THAT'S ALL, THANK YOU.
10:05:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
10:05:23AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:05:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU MUCH.
10:05:26AM IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS A NEED FOR MORE
10:05:30AM OFFICERS.
10:05:30AM WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE'RE NOT -- TO THAT.
10:05:35AM THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS LIKE THAT.
10:05:38AM I THINK IT WAS SEATTLE THE OTHER DAY, I SAW ON TV THEY GIVE
10:05:40AM A BONUS.
10:05:41AM FORGOT WHAT THE BONUS WAS, BUT IN THE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
10:05:44AM FOR YOU TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER THERE.
10:05:46AM AT ONE TIME, I THINK MIAMI AND US WERE THE TWO HIGHEST IN
10:05:52AM POLICE OFFICERS FOR POPULATION IN FLORIDA.
10:05:54AM I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M GOING BACK IN MEMORY.
10:05:57AM TAMPA HAD ONE POLICE OFFICER FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE, I FORGET
10:06:00AM THAT FIGURE ALSO.
10:06:02AM A THOUSAND OR SOMETHING.
10:06:04AM YEAH, IT WAS 1 PER 1,000.
10:06:08AM I FORGET EXACTLY.
10:06:10AM COMPARABLE WITH ANYONE ELSE.
10:06:12AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FIGURES ARE TODAY OR WHAT THE OTHER
10:06:14AM CITIES ARE TODAY, BUT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE
10:06:20AM EPIDEMIC WITHOUT HAVING AN ANTIDOTE TO CURE IT.
10:06:25AM BACTERIA SPREAD IN YOUR BODY AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THE
10:06:30AM WHEREABOUTS TO FIND OUT WHAT CAUSED IT AND HOW TO CURE IT.
10:06:34AM IF YOU SEE THIS EVERY DAY OF THE DAILY NEWS AND THE KIDS
10:06:38AM SAY, WHAT DO I WANT TO BE HERE FOR?
10:06:42AM I CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE.
10:06:44AM THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY.
10:06:46AM LITTLE BY LITTLE, WE ARE BECOMING ERODED TO THE THINGS THAT
10:06:50AM WE NEED TO HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE
10:06:55AM CITIES.
10:06:55AM THE COUNTY IS THE SAME WAY.
10:06:59AM BUT THERE'S JUST A MENTALITY THAT PEOPLE ARE USING GUNS MORE
10:07:04AM LIKE CHEWING BUBBLE GUM.
10:07:07AM THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO CURE, ME HAVING A GUN AND SHOOTING
10:07:10AM SOMEBODY IS LIKE CHEWING GUM.
10:07:12AM IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.
10:07:13AM THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES ON BOTH SIDES.
10:07:15AM WHEN YOU KILL SOMEONE, NOT ONLY YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, WHAT
10:07:18AM ABOUT THE FAMILY, THE PERSON YOU JUST KILLED.
10:07:22AM WHAT ABOUT THEM?
10:07:22AM THE FAMILY?
10:07:23AM THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE THEM.
10:07:25AM THE GRANDKIDS.
10:07:28AM IT'S JUST A TRAVESTY AND A HURT THAT NO ONE CAN REALLY SAY
10:07:32AM HOW IT HAPPENED UNLESS YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE THAT ONE OF YOUR
10:07:38AM FAMILY MEMBERS GOT KILLED AND YOU JUST GOT MARRIED AND HAVE
10:07:41AM A BABY ON THE WAY.
10:07:42AM IT'S JUST TRAGIC ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE.
10:07:44AM I'M NOT A SOLVER OF MYSTERY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT GOES
10:07:50AM BACK FROM THE TIME YOU ARE BORN.
10:07:52AM WHAT YOU SEE ON TELEVISION, SEE ON THE INTERNET, PEOPLE
10:07:55AM SHOOTING EVERY DAY, THE NEXT DAY, SAME PEOPLE BACK ON TV ON
10:07:59AM ANOTHER SHOW.
10:07:59AM SO NOBODY REALLY DIED, BUT THEY DO DIE WHEN YOU HAVE THE GUN
10:08:03AM IN YOUR HAND AND YOU PULL THE TRIGGER.
10:08:05AM THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN AMERICA.
10:08:07AM IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOLVED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN
10:08:10AM WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BECAUSE IT'S TOO EASY TO GET WHATEVER
10:08:14AM YOU'RE GOING TO USE TO KILL SOMEONE.
10:08:16AM BUT THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:08:20AM >> JUST TO ADDRESS, BECAUSE I HEAR TALK ABOUT HIRING
10:08:23AM OFFICERS AND STUFF, WE'VE JUST SWORN A LARGE CLASS OF
10:08:28AM OFFICERS, VERY DIVERSE.
10:08:30AM I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A TRAINING PROGRAM.
10:08:32AM AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CATCH UP TO OUR FULL STRENGTH FOR
10:08:37AM THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
10:08:39AM WE'RE VERY CLOSE RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WE
10:08:42AM PUT OFFICERS THROUGH A TRAINING PROGRAM.
10:08:44AM WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE PREPARED FOR THE STREET.
10:08:47AM THERE ARE FIVE PHASES THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
10:08:49AM THAT CAN TAKE UP TO SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS.
10:08:52AM WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY AND PUT THEM OUT THERE
10:08:56AM WITHOUT HAVING A GOOD FOUNDATION, NOT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO
10:08:58AM BE PERFECT, BUT THEY ARE TRAINED UP TO A LEVEL WHERE WE FEEL
10:09:02AM COMFORTABLE THEY CAN GIVE GOOD SERVICE OUT THERE.
10:09:05AM COUNCILMAN GUDES HIT ON A LOT OF IT.
10:09:10AM WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO PEOPLE GETTING SICK, MILITARY DUTY,
10:09:15AM SOMETIMES THEY GET PULLED SOMETIMES FOR A WHOLE YEAR,
10:09:19AM FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY.
10:09:20AM SOMETIMES THEY GET HURT ON DUTY AND THEY ARE LIGHT DUTY FOR
10:09:23AM FOUR, FIVE, SIX MONTHS.
10:09:25AM DURING COVID, WE HAD WHOLE SQUADS GET COVID, AND THEY GOT TO
10:09:29AM BE QUARANTINED FOR TEN DAYS.
10:09:32AM SO THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO MANAGING THE
10:09:36AM PERSONNEL REAL TIME EVERY DAY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOT JUST
10:09:41AM US, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHEREVER YOU MAY WORK AT BASED ON
10:09:45AM WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IN YOUR PERSONAL LIVES.
10:09:48AM INJURIES, SICKNESS, VACATIONS, AND EVERYTHING.
10:09:50AM SO WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB TRYING TO CATCH UP AND HIRING
10:09:55AM OFFICERS TO BE AT FULL STRENGTH.
10:09:57AM BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TALKING TO OFFICERS ABOUT THEM
10:10:01AM BEING SHORT ON CERTAIN SQUADS AND STUFF, IT'S NOT THAT EASY
10:10:07AM TO EXPLAIN WHAT A CITY MAY GO THROUGH AT TIMES.
10:10:12AM COUNCILMAN GUDES TALKED ABOUT IT, IF A HOMICIDE HAPPENS OR A
10:10:17AM BAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HAPPENS OR A BAD DOMESTIC OR A HOSTAGE,
10:10:22AM THAT'S GOING TO TAKE EXTRA RESOURCES, AND IT MAY TAKE TWO OR
10:10:25AM THREE HOURS TO GET THAT SCENE UNDER CONTROL, WE MAY PULL
10:10:31AM FROM DISTRICT ONE, TWO, OR THREE JUST UNTIL WE GET THINGS
10:10:34AM CALMED DOWN.
10:10:35AM SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO POLICING.
10:10:39AM I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:10:40AM WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT IT.
10:10:42AM AND WE HAVE A LOT OF OFFICERS FROM OTHER AGENCIES THAT WANT
10:10:45AM TO COME AND WORK FOR TAMPA, AND THERE IS A REASON BEHIND
10:10:49AM THAT.
10:10:49AM WE'RE NOT PERFECT, BUT WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT WHAT WE DO.
10:10:56AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
10:10:58AM DO YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT FIRST OR MAKE A MOTION
10:11:01AM FIRST.
10:11:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR MOTION, COUNCILMAN
10:11:04AM CARLSON.
10:11:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND ONE OTHER COMMENT.
10:11:08AM IN SOME OF THE BRIEFINGS RELATED TO TPD, THERE'S BEEN A
10:11:11AM REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND I'VE ASKED THE
10:11:13AM CITY ATTORNEY, KEEP IN MIND THE CHARTER SAYS THE CITY
10:11:16AM ATTORNEY REPRESENTS THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, DEPARTMENTS,
10:11:20AM ET CETERA.
10:11:21AM THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO REPRESENT A
10:11:25AM DEPARTMENT OR THE MAYOR, AND I'VE ASKED THAT CITY ATTORNEY
10:11:29AM IF A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS GOING
10:11:31AM TO BE THERE REPRESENTING TPD, THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY ALSO
10:11:34AM PROVIDE AN ATTORNEY AT EACH OF THE MEETINGS THAT WILL BE
10:11:37AM REPRESENTING THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:11:39AM THAT IS NOT JUST A DUTY OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BUT
10:11:42AM ALSO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
10:11:44AM BUT THE MOTION IS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF
10:11:47AM COME BACK ON JANUARY 19 TO REPORT TO COUNCIL ON THEIR PLANS
10:11:54AM TO FILL THE 200 OFFICER SHORTAGE AND TO REDUCE THE VIOLENT
10:11:59AM CRIME RATE.
10:12:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:12:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALLOW ME TO ADD TO THE MOTION, SIR.
10:12:08AM IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK, I WOULD ASK THAT THE POLICE
10:12:11AM DEPARTMENT MAKE A FULL PRESENTATION OF THE OPERATIONAL
10:12:14AM STRUCTURE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOW IT OPERATES, THE
10:12:18AM MANPOWER, THE SQUADS, HOW IT FUNCTIONS.
10:12:21AM THAT WAY THE CITIZENS CAN KNOW THE WORK YOU DO.
10:12:24AM I SAY IT ALL THE TIME, WE COMMUNICATE BAD IN THE CITY.
10:12:27AM IT'S LIKE WE ARE SCARED TO TELL THE PEOPLE WHAT WE DO.
10:12:31AM WE NEED TO TELL THE PEOPLE WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DO.
10:12:35AM WHETHER PEOPLE HATE THE POLICE OR LIKE THE POLICE, THEY NEED
10:12:38AM TO KNOW THE FUNCTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:12:39AM HOW MANY SWORN DETECTIVES YOU HAVE IN EACH DIVISION.
10:12:42AM HOW MANY SQUADS YOU HAVE WITH OFFICERS AND WHAT DOES A SQUAD
10:12:46AM MEAN?
10:12:46AM WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN OF A SQUAD?
10:12:48AM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS AN INCIDENT WHERE SOMETIMES YOU
10:12:51AM ARE PULLING -- SOMETIMES YOU PULL FROM THE SHERIFF'S
10:12:57AM DEPARTMENT OR MAJOR ACCIDENT ON THE INTERSTATE WHERE WE HAVE
10:12:59AM TO SHUT THE INTERSTATE DOWN.
10:13:01AM YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
10:13:04AM SO PEOPLE CAN GET A GENERAL GIST OF WHY YOU HAVE SHORTAGES
10:13:08AM AND WHERE ARE THE SHORTAGES AND THE DOLLARS.
10:13:11AM WHAT IS THE SHORTAGE, GET US UP TO PAR, PER CAPITA.
10:13:16AM WHAT IT WOULD REALLY TAKE TO SECURE THE CITY AND THE NEEDS
10:13:18AM OF THE CITY.
10:13:20AM IF YOU WOULD BRING THAT ADDITION TO ONE OF THESE THINGS.
10:13:23AM TAKE IT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
10:13:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL RESTATE THE MOTION, IF THAT'S OKAY.
10:13:28AM I FORGOT TO MENTION STAFF AND THE POLICE UNION.
10:13:32AM SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE STAFF AND THE POLICE UNION PRESENT ON
10:13:35AM JANUARY 19th ABOUT HOW TO FILL THE 200 OFFICER SHORTAGE
10:13:39AM AND TO REDUCE THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE AND TO EXPLAIN HOW TPD
10:13:44AM WORKS SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE.
10:13:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MAY I ASK, IS THAT UNDER
10:13:51AM STAFF REPORT OR UNDER WORKSHOP?
10:13:53AM BECAUSE STAFF REPORTS ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE MINUTES
10:13:56AM LONG.
10:13:58AM IF THIS IS GOING TO TAKE -- I WOULD THINK IT WOULD TAKE MORE
10:14:01AM THAN FIVE MINUTES, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT IT UNDER A WORKSHOP?
10:14:06AM >> JANUARY 26.
10:14:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT A WORKSHOP?
10:14:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:14:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT DOES OUR AGENDA LOOK LIKE FOR JANUARY
10:14:11AM 26.
10:14:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO DOES EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER AS WELL.
10:14:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M PASSING THAT BATON TO OUR CITY CLERK.
10:14:25AM >>THE CLERK: CURRENTLY YOU HAVE NINE WORKSHOPS AND ONE STAFF
10:14:28AM REPORT FOR JANUARY 26th.
10:14:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM TALKING ABOUT
10:14:34AM THAT.
10:14:35AM WOULD THAT OVERBURDEN --
10:14:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M HAPPY TO PUT ON FEBRUARY 23rd.
10:14:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S GO WITH FEBRUARY 23RD, IF YOU DO NOT
10:14:45AM MIND.
10:14:45AM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:14:47AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:14:49AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:14:50AM >> AYE.
10:14:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS?
10:14:52AM NOW, IF WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, CAN WE ALL
10:15:00AM COME BACK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE.
10:15:04AM ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6?
10:15:06AM WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
10:15:10AM I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
10:15:16AM WE TALKED ABOUT -- EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS MENTION OF FUNDING
10:15:19AM FOR THIS PROJECT.
10:15:22AM HOW IS THIS FUNDING PAID FOR?
10:15:26AM IS THIS A GRANT THAT MUST BE USED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR
10:15:32AM THIS SPECIFIC PURPOSE OR DOES THIS COME OUT OF GENERAL
10:15:37AM FUNDS?
10:15:39AM >> I BELIEVE I CAME UP HERE MAYBE A MONTH AGO FOR YOUR VOTE
10:15:43AM ON THAT GENERAL FUNDING SIDE OF IT.
10:15:46AM OVERALL, WE TRY AND GET GRANTS.
10:15:48AM THEY GET INITIATED BY GRANTS.
10:15:49AM WE'RE CONTINUALLY TRYING TO GET GRANTS, NOT JUST FUND THIS,
10:15:53AM BUT MANY PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.
10:15:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE THE GRANTS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING FOR THIS
10:16:02AM DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO PAY FOR THIS?
10:16:06AM >> YES.
10:16:06AM AND AT TIMES, THERE IS A TIMING PERIOD OF WHEN A GRANT GET
10:16:11AM APPROVED AND WHEN THE FUNDING GETS THERE.
10:16:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I GUESS MY -- NO.
10:16:17AM I KNOW MY POINT IS, IF WE RECEIVE GRANT FUNDING SPECIFICALLY
10:16:21AM DESIGNED FOR THIS, WE CAN'T SPEND IT ANYWHERE ELSE, AM I
10:16:24AM CORRECT ON THAT ASSUMPTION?
10:16:26AM >> I BELIEVE SO.
10:16:27AM I GOT MY LEGAL COUNSEL HERE, MEGAN NEWCOMB, HERE TO ANSWER
10:16:32AM THAT QUESTION.
10:16:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN.
10:16:38AM IT'S BEEN A FOUR-YEAR CONTRACT.
10:16:40AM THE FIRST THREE YEARS WERE FUNDED EXCLUSIVELY THROUGH GRANT
10:16:44AM FUNDING.
10:16:44AM THIS LAST YEAR IT WAS A RENEWAL.
10:16:47AM WHEN WE CAME IN SEPTEMBER, WE'RE UNDER THE LAST YEAR OF THE
10:16:50AM CONTRACT WHICH IS I BELIEVE JUNE TO JUNE OF 2023.
10:16:53AM IT WAS PARTIALLY FUNDED WITH A GRANT AND PARTIALLY FUNDED
10:16:57AM WITH GENERAL FUNDS FROM 2023.
10:17:01AM OUR ANTICIPATION AND HOPE IS TO RECEIVE GRANT FUNDING FOR
10:17:04AM THE FUTURE OF SHOT SPOTTER AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO BRING
10:17:07AM THAT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL LATER IN 2023.
10:17:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHEN WILL WE KNOW THAT?
10:17:12AM BY WHAT DATE DO YOU PERCEIVE WE'LL KNOW THAT?
10:17:15AM >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
10:17:16AM WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE GRANT WRITER IN THE CITY WHO
10:17:20AM SAID THAT THE LIKELIHOOD IS GOOD, BUT I DIDN'T ASK HER FOR A
10:17:24AM TIME FRAME.
10:17:25AM I WOULD THINK IF THE CONTRACT EXPIRES IN JUNE THAT WE WOULD
10:17:28AM HAVE TO COME HERE AND KNOW AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS
10:17:32AM PRIOR TO THAT.
10:17:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT IS MY OPINION THAT THAT'S THE TIME WE
10:17:36AM REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS SHOT SPOTTER.
10:17:39AM I WOULD HAVE OBJECTIONS WITH IT IF IT TOTALLY CAME OUT OF
10:17:43AM EITHER THE POLICE BUDGET OR OUR GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS
10:17:46AM COMBINED.
10:17:47AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:17:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, I THINK SHE CLARIFIED WHAT I WAS GOING
10:17:51AM TO SAY, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE OF GRANT FUNDING
10:17:55AM GOING FORWARD.
10:17:56AM THEY -- AS YOU SAID, THEY TRY TO GET GRANTS FOR LOTS OF
10:18:01AM THINGS.
10:18:02AM NO GUARANTEE GOING FORWARD.
10:18:04AM THIS WAS INITIATED BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OFFERED A
10:18:07AM GRANT TO TEST.
10:18:09AM IT IS KIND OF BETA TEST TO SEE IF IT WORKS.
10:18:11AM TRYING TECHNOLOGY IS GOOD.
10:18:12AM BUT IF WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF POLICE OFFICERS, WE NEED TO
10:18:15AM REDUCE THE BURDEN ON THE OFFICERS, AND IF THEY ARE GOING OUT
10:18:19AM WITH 360 CALLS SPENDING HOURS AND HOURS WHERE THEY COULD BE
10:18:23AM ACTUALLY SOLVING CRIMES, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
10:18:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH THAT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WILL AGREE
10:18:29AM WITH YOU.
10:18:29AM IF WE CAN GET FUNDING FOR THIS BUT FUNDING SPECIFICALLY IS
10:18:32AM THAT WE PAY FOR THE SHOT SPOTTER WITH THE FUNDING, I'LL
10:18:36AM ACCEPT THAT.
10:18:37AM IF WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OUT OF POCKET, I AGREE WITH YOU.
10:18:41AM I HOPE THAT ALL WILL REMEMBER THAT DURING OUR BUDGET
10:18:43AM DISCUSSION, THE FIRST THING I SAID IS WE NEED MORE STAFFING,
10:18:46AM ESPECIALLY IN POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS.
10:18:50AM ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO THIS?
10:18:52AM I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.
10:18:54AM >> I SAID THANK YOU.
10:18:55AM APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
10:18:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:18:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE MOTION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.
10:19:01AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRESENTATION IS THOROUGH AND
10:19:04AM IT'S UPLOADED ENOUGH TIME FOR THE PUBLIC AND THIS COUNCIL
10:19:08AM CAN REVIEW IT SO THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE WORKSHOP.
10:19:12AM THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT POLICE DO AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:19:16AM WHEN I SEE IT, I'LL KNOW RIGHT OFF IF IT'S STRUCTURED IN THE
10:19:21AM WAY TO HIDE SOMETHING OR DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW
10:19:24AM SOMETHING.
10:19:24AM PLEASE STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
10:19:27AM STRUCTURE IT SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DO AND THE FUNCTION
10:19:30AM AND HOW OPERATES FROM THE COMMAND LEVEL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
10:19:33AM ANYBODY IN PERSONNEL.
10:19:36AM >> GOTCHA.
10:19:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
10:19:44AM >> HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
10:19:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU, TOO.
10:20:02AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
10:20:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:20:14AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY HERE BEFORE YOU ON ITEM
10:20:16AM NUMBER 7.
10:20:17AM I FORWARDED YOU A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION THAT RATIFIED THE
10:20:22AM APPOINTMENT OF COUNCILMAN GUDES APPOINTEE, ALISON HEWITT,
10:20:28AM AND THIS WAS REVIEWED.
10:20:30AM THE DRAFT BY THE CHARTER -- EXCUSE ME, THE BUDGET ADVISORY
10:20:35AM COMMITTEE, AND IT'S BEING PRESENTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION,
10:20:38AM COUNCIL.
10:20:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS TO THIS
10:20:41AM RESOLUTION?
10:20:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
10:20:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE RESOLUTION -- I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN
10:20:46AM MIRANDA.
10:20:46AM THE RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, STAFF HAD TALKED
10:20:51AM ABOUT ADDING MS. HEWITT'S NAME TO IT.
10:20:54AM IS THERE A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION?
10:20:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:20:57AM THE CLERK DOES HAVE THE SUBSTITUTE, IS THAT CORRECT?
10:21:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
10:21:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE
10:21:04AM RESOLUTION BY --
10:21:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN THE ABSENCE OF MR. GUDES WHO WAS THE
10:21:05AM POLICY MAKER ON THAT ONE.
10:21:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:21:05AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:21:12AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:21:13AM ANY OBJECTIONS?
10:21:14AM THANK YOU.
10:21:16AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
10:21:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, COUNCIL.
10:21:22AM ITEM NUMBER 8 IS REQUESTING A REPORT ON MY ADVICE REGARDING
10:21:26AM CREATING AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT ELECTED OFFICIALS SUED
10:21:29AM UNDER CHAPTER 119.
10:21:31AM COUNCIL, I HAVE HAD PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY
10:21:36AM ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN ON THIS AS OF RECENT.
10:21:41AM I WOULD SAY, COUNCIL, TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THIS SUBJECT
10:21:49AM IS, FRANKLY, PERSONAL TO ME.
10:21:51AM I TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
10:21:53AM WHAT I AM ASKING FOR, COUNCIL, IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET
10:21:56AM WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER
10:21:59AM 1st.
10:22:01AM IS IT DECEMBER 1st, MADAM CLERK?
10:22:03AM THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING AND SET UP APPOINTMENTS WITH YOUR
10:22:06AM STAFF TO TALK WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THIS MOVING
10:22:08AM FORWARD.
10:22:09AM I'M REQUESTING THAT CONTINUANCE, PLEASE.
10:22:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 8 UNTIL
10:22:15AM DECEMBER 1st SO MR. SHELBY CAN MEET WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS
10:22:21AM INDIVIDUALLY TO FURTHER DISCUSS THIS.
10:22:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:22:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:22:27AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:22:28AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:22:30AM ANY OBJECTION?
10:22:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
10:22:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, NUMBER 9 IS YOUR MOTION,
10:22:41AM HOWEVER OUT OF COURTESY TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WHO IS NOT
10:22:44AM HERE AND WANTED TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO DISCUSS SOME OF
10:22:48AM THESE THINGS, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO
10:22:55AM CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 27th WHEN WE ARE GOING TO BE
10:22:59AM HAVING A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS.
10:23:02AM >>LUIS VIERA: SURE.
10:23:05AM MY INTENT ON DOING THIS WAS TO -- FOR THE OBVIOUS, AS THE
10:23:10AM MOTION STATED.
10:23:11AM YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
10:23:12AM I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO WORK THE RELEVANT PARTIES
10:23:16AM ON WAYS, AS I'VE SEEN TODAY, HAVE BEEN DONE ON EFFICIENCY.
10:23:22AM MYSELF STARTING, EVERYBODY CAN IMPROVE ON.
10:23:24AM YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.
10:23:25AM GLAD TO DO THAT.
10:23:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:23:29AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:23:31AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:23:31AM IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS?
10:23:33AM THANK YOU.
10:23:35AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:23:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE ITEMS 10 THROUGH 22.
10:23:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:23:47AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:23:49AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:23:52AM >> AYE.
10:23:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS AND
10:23:55AM RECREATION.
10:23:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE]
10:23:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:24:01AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:24:03AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:24:06AM >> AYE.
10:24:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO
10:24:09AM PUBLIC WORKS.
10:24:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 29 THROUGH
10:24:12AM 36.
10:24:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:24:15AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:24:17AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:24:18AM >> AYE.
10:24:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU'VE GOT FINANCE.
10:24:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 37 THROUGH 42.
10:24:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:24:27AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:24:29AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:24:30AM >> AYE.
10:24:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAVE BUILDING AND
10:24:33AM ZONING.
10:24:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 43 THROUGH 53.
10:24:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:24:42AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:24:44AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:24:47AM >> AYE.
10:24:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE
10:24:48AM TRANSPORTATION.
10:24:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:24:50AM I MOVE ITEMS 54 THROUGH 57.
10:24:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:24:58AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:25:00AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:25:02AM >> AYE.
10:25:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:25:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO SET ITEMS 58 AND 59 FOR
10:25:07AM THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:25:08AM ITEM 58 IS GOING TO BE FOR DECEMBER 8, 2022 AT 5:01 P.M.
10:25:12AM AND ITEM 59 WILL BE DECEMBER 1st, 2022 AT 5:01 P.M.
10:25:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S GO WITH AGENDA 58.
10:25:20AM FIRST, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:25:22AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:25:23AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:25:24AM >> AYE.
10:25:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NUMBER 59, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY
10:25:28AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:25:30AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:25:31AM >> AYE.
10:25:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:25:32AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:25:35AM MOTION MADE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS BY COUNCILMAN
10:25:37AM MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:25:39AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:25:40AM >> AYE.
10:25:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:25:42AM >> THAT'S ALL OF THEM.
10:25:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UP UNTIL 1:30.
10:25:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE NOT THERE FOR 10:30.
10:25:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: UP TO THE 9:30.
10:25:55AM RULES AND PROCEDURES.
10:26:06AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 60, FILE BF22-77365.
10:26:13AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
10:26:15AM McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:26:18AM ITEM NUMBER 6 IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE
10:26:21AM BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION FOR THE MAIN STREET PARK.
10:26:24AM THIS IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS BROWNFIELD AREA
10:26:27AM DESIGNATION.
10:26:28AM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS REQUESTING THAT THIS PROPERTY BE
10:26:32AM DESIGNATED AS A BROWNFIELD AREA IN ORDER TO ASSIST WITH THE
10:26:35AM ASSESSMENT AND REMEDIATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT MAY
10:26:39AM AFFECT THAT PROPERTY.
10:26:39AM DETAILS OF THE DESIGNATION HAVE BEEN OUTLINED AND DOCUMENTED
10:26:43AM IN THE STAFF REPORT ON MAIN STREET PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA
10:26:46AM DESIGNATION WHICH IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW IN THE
10:26:49AM CLERK'S OFFICE.
10:26:50AM CITY STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT ALL STATUTORY AND PUBLIC
10:26:53AM NOTICE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT CITY
10:26:56AM COUNCIL APPROVE THIS DESIGNATION.
10:26:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
10:27:00AM SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
10:27:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE RESOLUTION NUMBER 60.
10:27:09AM RESOLUTION FILE BF22-77365.
10:27:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
10:27:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES
10:27:20AM TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 60, FILE BF22-77365?
10:27:27AM SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
10:27:31AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:27:34AM MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:27:34AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:27:36AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:27:38AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:27:39AM THERE WAS A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO MOVE THE
10:27:42AM RESOLUTION, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:27:44AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:27:45AM >> AYE.
10:27:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OPPOSED?
10:27:48AM THANK YOU.
10:27:50AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:27:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM 61, FILE E2022-8 CHAPTER 24.
10:27:59AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:28:02AM THIS IS WITH REGARDS TO ITEM 61 ON THE AGENDA.
10:28:05AM ON OCTOBER 6, 2022, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION
10:28:09AM SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS RESOLUTION.
10:28:11AM THIS RESOLUTION STATES THE CITY COUNCIL'S INTENT TO USE THE
10:28:14AM UNIFORM METHOD OF LEVYING AND COLLECTING NON-AD VALOREM
10:28:18AM ASSESSMENTS BY THE CITY OF TAMPA IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION
10:28:20AM 197.362 FLORIDA STATUTES.
10:28:25AM FOR STREETLIGHTS ON A PORTION OF NORTH ROME AVENUE, LYING
10:28:29AM WITHIN PORTIONS OF WOODLAWN PARK, A SUBDIVISION OF THE CITY
10:28:32AM OF TAMPA.
10:28:32AM SECTION 197.
10:28:34AM 3632 FLORIDA STATUTES REQUIRES THAT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION
10:28:37AM BE ADOPTED AT A PUBLIC HEARING, NOT AFTER THE HEARING IS
10:28:41AM CLOSED, THEREFORE, PLEASE DO NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN
10:28:44AM CONNECTION WITH THIS ITEM UNTIL YOU HAVE VOTED ON THE
10:28:48AM PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
10:28:49AM IN THE SUMMER OF 2023, WE WILL BRING TO CITY COUNCIL A
10:28:52AM RESOLUTION WHICH ADOPTS THE TAX ROLL FOR THIS ASSESSMENT.
10:28:54AM THAT IS ALL.
10:28:55AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:28:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL?
10:29:00AM I SEE MR. MECHANIK IS THERE.
10:29:06AM DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS, MR.
10:29:08AM MECHANIK?
10:29:10AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:29:12AM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
10:29:16AM I JUST WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
10:29:20AM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:29:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:29:22AM IS THERE -- EXCUSE ME, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MECHANIK?
10:29:26AM ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
10:29:29AM I DO NOT SEE ANYONE ONLINE.
10:29:38AM MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO --
10:29:42AM >> DID WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?
10:29:43AM >> YES.
10:29:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY COUNCILMAN
10:29:46AM MANISCALCO.
10:29:47AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:29:49AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:29:51AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
10:29:52AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:29:58AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:29:59AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:30:02AM >> AYE.
10:30:02AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 62, FILE NUMBER CDD22-77670.
10:30:17AM MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
10:30:20AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND CITY
10:30:20AM COUNCIL.
10:30:22AM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:30:22AM COUNCIL, THIS IS A SECOND READING ON AN ORDINANCE CREATING
10:30:26AM THE K-BAR RANCH CDD 3.
10:30:30AM THIS WAS REQUESTED -- ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CDD WAS REQUESTED
10:30:33AM BY THE APPLICANTS, CRUZ AND DOUGLAS.
10:30:39AM THEIR REPRESENTATIVE MAY BE ONLINE.
10:30:46AM >>THE CLERK: MR. MACKEY IS ONLINE, HOWEVER, I AM NOT ABLE TO
10:30:49AM ELEVATE HIM.
10:30:50AM IF HE IS ON A CELL PHONE, IT WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO MOVE HIM
10:30:54AM OVER.
10:30:57AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THIS DID RECEIVE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL
10:30:59AM BY CITY COUNCIL ON FIRST READING.
10:31:01AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
10:31:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. JOHNSON VELEZ?
10:31:05AM DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT ONLINE?
10:31:08AM MR. MACKEY, ARE YOU THERE?
10:31:20AM >>THE CLERK: I'M NOT ABLE TO ELEVATE HIM.
10:31:22AM NOT SURE IF IT IS A WEB ISSUE OR IF HE IS ON THE CELL PHONE.
10:31:27AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER, COUNCIL.
10:31:29AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO --
10:31:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES
10:31:41AM TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM 62, FILE NUMBER CDD22-77670.
10:31:47AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:31:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MADAM, ARE YOU WANTING TO SPEAK TO THIS
10:31:51AM AGENDA ITEM?
10:31:51AM PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.
10:31:56AM >> [NOT SPEAKING AT A MICROPHONE]
10:32:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MA'AM, WE'VE ALREADY HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:32:04AM UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM, OUR
10:32:07AM PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN OVER.
10:32:12AM >> I AM A LITTLE LATE.
10:32:17AM OKAY.
10:32:17AM THAT'S FINE.
10:32:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:32:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: I CAN SPEAK TO HER OUTSIDE.
10:32:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
10:32:33AM AGENDA ITEM 62, FILE CDD22-77670?
10:32:38AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:32:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:32:43AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:32:44AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:32:45AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:32:49AM I'M SORRY.
10:32:54AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CAN YOU READ AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 62?
10:33:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 62, FILE
10:33:07AM CDD22-77670.
10:33:10AM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:33:13AM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
10:33:15AM FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING THE K-BAR RANCH III COMMUNITY
10:33:20AM DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH AND EAST OF
10:33:23AM MEADOWPOINTE BOULEVARD EXTENSION, WEST OF MORRIS BRIDGE ROAD
10:33:28AM AND SOUTH OF THE HILLSBOROUGH/PASCO COUNTY LINE, COMPRISING
10:33:32AM 372.204 ACRES OF LAND, MORE OR LESS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF
10:33:37AM MANAGING AND DELIVERING BASIC COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE
10:33:40AM IMPROVEMENTS; SAID DISTRICT TO BE LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN
10:33:43AM THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE SAME BEING MORE
10:33:46AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, HEREOF, PURSUANT TO
10:33:49AM CHAPTER 190, FLORIDA STATUTES; NAMING THE DISTRICT AND THE
10:33:54AM INITIAL MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICT'S BOARD OF SUPERVISOR;
10:33:57AM CONSENTING TO THE EXERCISE OF CERTAIN SPECIAL POWERS BY THE
10:34:00AM DISTRICT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION
10:34:02AM 190.012 (2), FLORIDA STATUTES; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY;
10:34:08AM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:34:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:34:12AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:34:14AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:34:23AM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA
10:34:25AM BEING ABSENT AT VOTE AND HURTAK BEING ABSENT.
10:34:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT IS NOT SHOWING UP ON MONITORS.
10:34:33AM >> SHE SAID IT ON THE RECORD.
10:34:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THERE WE GO.
10:34:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THIS A NEW SETUP?
10:34:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
10:34:53AM THERE WEREN'T SEVEN PEOPLE WHO VOTED.
10:34:55AM PLEASE, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE?
10:35:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:35:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:35:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:35:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:35:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:35:09AM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
10:35:12AM ABSENT AT VOTE AND HURTAK BEING ABSENT.
10:35:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:35:16AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 63, FILE NUMBER CIP & CIS 2023-2027.
10:35:37AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:35:39AM I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF ON THE
10:35:42AM LINE.
10:35:42AM COUNCIL, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT
10:35:45AM UPDATES AND REPLACES THE EXISTING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
10:35:49AM SECTION BY REPLACING THE FY 2022 THROUGH FY 2026 CAPITAL
10:35:56AM IMPROVEMENT SECTION SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS WITH UPDATED 2023
10:36:00AM THROUGH '27 SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS.
10:36:03AM THIS DID RECEIVE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL ON FIRST
10:36:07AM READING.
10:36:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
10:36:09AM DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE?
10:36:14AM >> DIEGO GUERRA, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
10:36:16AM AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN ANNUAL UPDATE TO THE CAPITAL
10:36:21AM IMPROVEMENT SECTION THAT REPLACES THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
10:36:26AM SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS.
10:36:29AM IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SECTION WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE
10:36:32AM PLAN, THIS IS AN ANNUAL UPDATE.
10:36:36AM IT IS ALLOWED TO BE CONDUCTED BY ORDINANCE PER CHAPTER 163
10:36:40AM OF FLORIDA STATUTE.
10:36:42AM IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING THE UPDATE, I'M
10:36:47AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
10:36:47AM I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS IS
10:36:53AM PROJECTS WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM THAT
10:36:56AM ADDRESS LEVELS OF SERVICE.
10:36:58AM THOSE PROJECTS WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND WERE BROUGHT TO
10:37:06AM YOU WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, AND THE SCHEDULE
10:37:08AM OF PROJECTS ARE THOSE PROJECTS WITHIN THE CAPITAL
10:37:12AM IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM THAT ADDRESS LEVELS OF SERVICE ONLY.
10:37:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
10:37:19AM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO
10:37:25AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 63?
10:37:27AM NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
10:37:31AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:37:33AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:37:36AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:37:38AM >> AYE.
10:37:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:37:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:37:41AM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:37:44AM ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
10:37:47AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SECTION, BY
10:37:49AM REPLACING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2026
10:37:53AM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SECTION SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS WITH THE
10:37:56AM FISCAL YEAR 2023 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2027 CAPITAL
10:37:59AM IMPROVEMENT SECTION SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS; PROVIDING FOR
10:38:01AM REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR
10:38:04AM SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:38:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
10:38:09AM MANISCALCO.
10:38:09AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:38:11AM LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN.
10:38:13AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:38:15AM CAN WE GO WITH ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
10:38:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:38:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:38:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:38:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:38:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:38:45AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING
10:38:47AM ABSENT AT VOTE AND HURTAK BEING ABSENT.
10:38:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN
10:38:59AM ITEMS 71, 10:30 PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE HAVE TO SWEAR
10:39:03AM EVERYBODY IN.
10:39:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
10:39:08AM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:39:09AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:39:10AM THANK YOU.
10:39:10AM THAT WAY WE CAN SWEAR EVERYONE IN AT THE SAME TIME.
10:39:14AM ANYONE GIVING ANY TESTIMONY TO ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS TODAY,
10:39:18AM WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND TO BE SWORN IN?
10:39:26AM [OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
10:39:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:39:35AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 64, FILE NUMBER VAC 22-19.
10:39:42AM MR. SAMONS.
10:39:48AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:39:48AM PRESENTING FILE NUMBER VAC 22-19.
10:39:48AM THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST FOR SECOND READING AND
10:39:53AM ADOPTION.
10:39:53AM THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEYWAY LOCATED
10:39:57AM NORTH OF OHIO AVENUE, SOUTH OF INDIANA AVENUE, EAST OF
10:40:02AM POPLAR AVENUE AND WEST OF MYRTLE AVENUE.
10:40:05AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:40:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
10:40:12AM >> JAMES HENNESSY, 812 WEST INDIANA.
10:40:16AM I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:40:17AM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:40:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
10:40:21AM THANK YOU.
10:40:23AM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
10:40:26AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:40:31AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:40:32AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:40:33AM THANK YOU.
10:40:35AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:40:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, FILE NUMBER VAC 22-19,
10:40:42AM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:40:44AM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
10:40:47AM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
10:40:49AM NORTH OF OHIO AVENUE, SOUTH OF INDIANA AVENUE, EAST OF
10:40:52AM POPLAR AVENUE AND WEST OF MYRTLE AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF
10:40:56AM NORTH RIVERSIDE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
10:40:58AM FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF,
10:41:02AM SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS
10:41:04AM MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR
10:41:07AM ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES OF VIOLATIONS; PROVIDING FOR
10:41:09AM DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, REPEALING CONFLICTS; PROVIDING
10:41:14AM FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:41:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SECONDED
10:41:18AM BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:41:19AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:41:20AM I DON'T EVEN WANT TO TRY A THIRD TIME.
10:41:22AM LET'S DO ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:41:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:41:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:41:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:41:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:41:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:41:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:41:31AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
10:41:34AM ABSENT.
10:41:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:41:34AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 65, FILE NUMBER VAC 22-24.
10:41:42AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
10:41:45AM PRESENTING VAC 22-24.
10:41:47AM PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:41:50AM THIS IS PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS FOR PORTIONS OF ARCH
10:41:53AM STREET AND EDISON AVENUE RIGHTS-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF CASS
10:41:56AM STREET, SOUTH OF LASALLE STREET, EAST OF MUNRO STREET AND
10:41:59AM WEST OF NORTH BOULEVARD.
10:42:00AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:42:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
10:42:04AM PETITIONER?
10:42:08AM >> I APOLOGIZE.
10:42:09AM I DID SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING.
10:42:13AM MR. HARDEN IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND MS. CATHERINE COYLE HAD
10:42:18AM A FAMILY MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
10:42:19AM SHE DID SPEAK WITH ME THIS MORNING.
10:42:21AM AND SHE IS UNAVAILABLE AT THIS TIME.
10:42:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:42:26AM IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
10:42:29AM ITEM NUMBER 65?
10:42:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:42:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:42:36AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:42:38AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:42:39AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:42:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE NUMBER 65, VAC 22-24, AN ORDINANCE
10:42:46AM BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
10:42:49AM ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING,
10:42:51AM DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THOSE PORTIONS OF ARCH STREET
10:42:54AM AND EDISON AVENUE RIGHTS-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF CASS
10:42:56AM STREET, SOUTH OF LASALLE STREET, EAST OF MUNRO STREET AND
10:43:01AM WEST OF NORTH BOULEVARD WITHIN THE PLATS OF MAP OF MUNRO AND
10:43:06AM CLEWIS ADDITION TO WEST TAMPA AND KNOWLES SUBDIVISION, IN
10:43:11AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE
10:43:15AM FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN
10:43:18AM COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY
10:43:21AM SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES
10:43:24AM FOR VIOLATIONS; PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS
10:43:27AM AND REPEALING CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY;
10:43:29AM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:43:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:43:32AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:43:34AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:43:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:43:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:43:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:43:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:43:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:43:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:43:41AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
10:43:43AM ABSENT.
10:43:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:43:47AM AGENDA ITEM 66, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-124.
10:43:52AM >>ANNIE BARNES: ANNIE BARNES, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:43:54AM ITEM NUMBER 66 IS REZ-22-124 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
10:43:59AM READING AND ADOPTION FOR 1701 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD.
10:44:02AM THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM IG, INDUSTRIAL
10:44:05AM GENERAL, TO CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
10:44:08AM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:44:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
10:44:11AM THANK YOU.
10:44:13AM PETITIONER?
10:44:17AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:44:18AM NAME IS JARICE BARBEE, LAND USE PLANNER.
10:44:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE
10:44:26AM SWORN IN.
10:44:26AM >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU
10:44:28AM ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
10:44:31AM >> I DO.
10:44:32AM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
10:44:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:44:33AM PLEASE PROCEED.
10:44:34AM >> SORRY.
10:44:35AM JARICE BARBEE, LAND USE PLANNER WITH AVID GROUP, 2300 CURLEW
10:44:42AM ROAD, PALM HARBOR, FLORIDA.
10:44:45AM I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE
10:44:49AM TODAY.
10:44:49AM I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING AS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AND I'M HERE
10:44:53AM IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:44:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
10:44:56AM SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO
10:45:01AM SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 66?
10:45:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:45:10AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:45:11AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:45:13AM >> AYE.
10:45:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:45:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 66, FILE
10:45:19AM REZ-22-124, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:45:24AM ADOPTION.
10:45:25AM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
10:45:27AM 1701 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
10:45:31AM AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING
10:45:34AM DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION, IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, TO CI,
10:45:37AM COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:45:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:45:41AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:45:43AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:45:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:45:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:45:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:45:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:45:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:45:52AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH GUDES BEING
10:45:54AM ABSENT AT VOTE AND HURTAK BEING ABSENT.
10:45:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:45:57AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 67, FILE NUMBER AB2-22-17.
10:46:05AM >>ANNIE BARNES: ANNIE BARNES, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:46:07AM ITEM NUMBER 67 IS AB2-22-17 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
10:46:12AM READING AND ADOPTION FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 FOR ALCOHOLIC
10:46:14AM BEVERAGE SALES FOR A RESTAURANT FOR ON PREMISES CONSUMPTION
10:46:18AM OF BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR LOCATED AT 951 EAST 7TH AVENUE.
10:46:23AM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY HALL EARLIER THIS WEEK.
10:46:26AM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:46:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
10:46:29AM PETITIONER?
10:46:31AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:46:33AM MY NAME IS JANE GRAHAM.
10:46:33AM I REPRESENT LOS TOPOS AND NICOLE THOMPSON.
10:46:37AM WE APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION, AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY
10:46:40AM QUESTIONS.
10:46:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
10:46:41AM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
10:46:47AM THIS?
10:46:47AM NO ONE IS ONLINE EITHER.
10:46:51AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:46:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:46:55AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:46:56AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:46:57AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:47:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:47:01AM I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:47:04AM ADOPTION.
10:47:04AM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2, FOR
10:47:07AM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES RESTAURANT CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES
10:47:11AM ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF
10:47:15AM ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN
10:47:19AM LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED ON 951 EAST 7TH AVENUE,
10:47:23AM TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3,
10:47:26AM PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
10:47:29AM CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE 2007-195.
10:47:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:47:35AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:47:36AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:47:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:47:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:47:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:47:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:47:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:47:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:47:44AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
10:47:47AM ABSENT.
10:47:49AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:47:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 68, FILE NUMBER AB
10:47:54AM 2-22-18.
10:47:58AM >>ANNIE BARNES: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:47:59AM ANNIE BARNES, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:48:01AM ITEM NUMBER 68 IS AB2-22-18 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
10:48:05AM READING AND ADOPTION FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 FOR ALCOHOLIC
10:48:08AM BEVERAGE SALES FOR A LARGE VENUE FOR CONSUMPTION ON
10:48:14AM PREMISES, OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION OF BEER, WINE, AND
10:48:14AM LIQUOR, LOCATED AT 3924 WEST SPRUCE STREET.
10:48:18AM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY HALL EARLIER THIS WEEK.
10:48:21AM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:48:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
10:48:24AM PETITIONER?
10:48:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:48:30AM CHRIS BERG WITH THE LAW OFFICES OF GRAY ROBINSON.
10:48:33AM 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, SUITE 2700.
10:48:36AM WE JUST ASK BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING TO MAKE SOME
10:48:40AM SLIGHT CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.
10:48:42AM WE DID THAT AND DROPPED THEM OFF AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
10:48:44AM UNLESS COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
10:48:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR PETITIONER?
10:48:51AM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
10:48:54AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:48:58AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:49:00AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:49:00AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:49:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:49:04AM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
10:49:08AM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES
10:49:13AM AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL
10:49:17AM THE SALES OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT,
10:49:21AM BEER, WINE, AND LIQUOR, AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
10:49:24AM TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 3924 WEST SPRUCE STREET, AS MORE
10:49:29AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3, PROVIDING THAT ALL
10:49:31AM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
10:49:35AM REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-92; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
10:49:39AM DATE.
10:49:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
10:49:39AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:49:39AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:49:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:49:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:49:44AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:49:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:49:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:49:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:49:47AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
10:49:50AM ABSENT.
10:49:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:49:52AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 69, FILE AB2-22-19.
10:49:59AM >>ANNIE BARNES: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:50:00AM ANNIE BARNES, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:50:02AM ITEM NUMBER 69 IS AB2-22-19 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
10:50:07AM READING AND ADOPTION FOR SPECIAL USE 2 FOR ALCOHOLIC
10:50:10AM BEVERAGE SALES FOR LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND
10:50:14AM PACKAGE SALES/OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION, BEER, WINE AND
10:50:20AM LIQUOR, 450 CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
10:50:22AM PLANS DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK.
10:50:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
10:50:26AM PETITIONER?
10:50:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:50:29AM JULIA MANDELL WITH THE LAW FIRM OF GRAY ROBINSON, 610 EAST
10:50:35AM JACKSON STREET.
10:50:37AM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER.
10:50:40AM I UNDERSTAND THAT MS. HURTAK IS IN TRAVEL AND IN FLIGHT
10:50:46AM RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT SHE MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL IN
10:50:49AM AT 1:30.
10:50:51AM IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK IF COUNCIL WOULD INDULGE US
10:50:56AM HOLDING THIS UNTIL 1:30, THAT MAY BE AN APPROACH WE CAN
10:51:00AM TAKE.
10:51:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
10:51:07AM MAYBE IT MIGHT RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
10:51:09AM I VOTED NO AGAINST THIS.
10:51:12AM MY SPECIFIC REASONING WAS FOR THE PACKAGE SALES.
10:51:18AM >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:51:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE, IN MY
10:51:22AM OPINION, A MASSIVE PLACE, WHICH IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
10:51:26AM HOWEVER, IF -- COUNCIL, DO YOU WISH TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE
10:51:31AM I PROCEED?
10:51:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT MAY BE
10:51:36AM APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IT NOW AS THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
10:51:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
10:51:42AM THAT'S THE REASON WHY I AM DISCUSSING THIS.
10:51:45AM MY POINT BEING, HAS THE APPLICANT DECIDED TO CHANGE THEIR
10:51:53AM MIND ON THE PACKAGE SALES PART OF THIS?
10:51:56AM >> IF I COULD JUST TAKE JUST A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN BECAUSE I
10:52:01AM REALLY DID JUST GET INVOLVED IN THIS.
10:52:03AM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REASON THE PACKAGE SALES WAS
10:52:05AM INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION IS BECAUSE THERE WAS
10:52:08AM SOME CONFUSION OVER THE STATE LAW AS IT RELATED TO TO-GO
10:52:13AM ALCOHOL BEVERAGE WITH FOOD.
10:52:16AM UNDER STATE LAW, PACKAGE SALES ISN'T ALLOWED UNDER THE STATE
10:52:20AM LICENSE AS IT RELATES TO RESTAURANT SALES.
10:52:23AM THE APPLICANT WAS SIMPLY SEEKING THE OPPORTUNITY HAVE TO-GO
10:52:29AM SALES AS PART OF THE STATE LICENSE AND HAS NO INTENT TO DO
10:52:32AM WHAT I CONSIDER A RETAIL PACKAGE ESTABLISHMENT.
10:52:34AM THE PROBLEM IS, BECAUSE I'VE SPENT SOME TIME PONDERING THIS
10:52:38AM AND TALKING WITH LEGAL AND WITH STAFF ABOUT IT.
10:52:41AM IS FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE
10:52:45AM TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE, THE ONLY OPTION IS TO TAKE THIS BACK
10:52:49AM TO FIRST READING.
10:52:51AM AND THIS -- UNFORTUNATELY, THIS APPLICATION WAS OUT FOR A
10:52:54AM LONG TIME AND THEY HAVE TO GET -- THEY ARE IN CONSTRUCTION
10:52:59AM NOW.
10:52:59AM FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE.
10:53:02AM AND I CAN HAVE THEM SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
10:53:05AM I CAN SAY FOR THE RECORD THERE IS NO INTENT FOR THAT TO BE A
10:53:08AM PACKAGE SALES.
10:53:10AM I HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY
10:53:13AM OWNER, WHICH IS SPP, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE GIVEN ME A
10:53:16AM LETTER OF SUPPORT.
10:53:17AM THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO DO PACKAGE SALES.
10:53:19AM IT WAS JUST, I THINK, A MISCOMMUNICATION AS IT RELATED TO
10:53:22AM THE STATE LAW.
10:53:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ALL KNOW ABOUT GOOD INTENTIONS.
10:53:28AM >> SURE.
10:53:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT IN WRITING.
10:53:30AM HAVING SAID THAT IS THERE ANY --
10:53:33AM [ENCODER DROP]
10:54:13AM [ENCODER DROP]
10:54:16AM >>ANNIE BARNES: I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:54:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
10:54:21AM THANK YOU.
10:54:22AM PETITIONER?
10:54:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE CAN HEAR YOU BUT WE HAVE TO SEE YOU.
10:54:41AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:54:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE NEED BOTH OF YOU TO BE SWORN IN.
10:54:44AM PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS TO BE SWORN IN.
10:54:47AM >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY
10:54:49AM YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
10:54:52AM >> I DO, YES.
10:54:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:54:54AM PETITIONER, PLEASE.
10:54:56AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:54:56AM I'M ELIZABETH KELLER HERE FROM SHUMAKER, LOOP & KENDRICK,
10:55:00AM 101 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, SUITE 2800, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
10:55:04AM 33602.
10:55:06AM WE REST ON OUR PRESENTATION ON OCTOBER 27.
10:55:08AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR
10:55:11AM APPROVAL.
10:55:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:55:13AM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
10:55:14AM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM
10:55:17AM NUMBER 70?
10:55:18AM I DO NOT SEE ANYONE ONLINE.
10:55:22AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:55:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:55:24AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:55:27AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:55:28AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:55:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AB2-22-24, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
10:55:36AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A
10:55:41AM SPECIAL USE PERMIT, S URBAN-2, FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES,
10:55:44AM SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGES SALES/OFF
10:55:49AM PREMISES CONSUMPTION, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
10:55:53AM BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND
10:55:56AM LIQUOR, AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
10:56:00AM LOCATED AT 1602 WEST SNOW AVENUE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
10:56:03AM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR
10:56:06AM PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING
10:56:09AM ORDINANCE NUMBER 2021-43, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:56:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:56:14AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:56:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:56:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:56:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:56:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:56:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:56:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:56:22AM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK
10:56:25AM BEING ABSENT.
10:56:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:27AM WE'RE NOW GOING TO OUR 10:30 HEARINGS.
10:56:30AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 71, FILE NUMBER VAC 22-14.
10:56:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:56:37AM RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:56:39AM THIS IS A CONTINUATION WITH THE FIRST HEARING THAT WAS HELD
10:56:43AM ON OCTOBER 20.
10:56:44AM AS A RECAP, I WOULD LIKE TO BASICALLY GO OVER WHAT HAPPENED
10:56:48AM DURING THAT HEARING.
10:56:50AM PRESENTATIONS WERE MADE BY MYSELF, MR. ROSS SAMONS AND
10:56:52AM MR. STEVE MICHELINI ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
10:56:56AM AFTER THAT, YOU HELD PUBLIC COMMENTS WHEREBY SEVEN SPEAKERS
10:57:00AM SPOKE.
10:57:02AM DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THAT WERE
10:57:04AM PRESENTED REGARDING WHAT ACTIONS OR INACTION THAT MAY HAVE
10:57:09AM BEEN TAKEN BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD
10:57:13AM ENHANCEMENT DEPARTMENT AND WHAT EFFORTS WERE MADE BY THE
10:57:16AM CITY MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO OPEN UP THE ALLEYWAY.
10:57:21AM COUNCIL HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WHO WERE NOT PRESENT AT
10:57:24AM THAT TIME.
10:57:24AM SO I REQUESTED ALL THE STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE MENTIONED TO
10:57:27AM BE PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
10:57:30AM HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE OR REMIND CITY COUNCIL
10:57:34AM THAT THE PRIMARY ISSUE HERE IS WHETHER THE VACATING OF THIS
10:57:37AM ALLEYWAY SERVES A -- SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND THERE
10:57:42AM ARE FOUR PRIMARY FACTORS TO CONSIDER WHEN MAKING THAT
10:57:45AM DETERMINATION, AND THEY INCLUDE, WILL THE VACATING ALLEVIATE
10:57:49AM OR RELIEVE THE PUBLIC FROM THE COST OF MAINTAINING THE
10:57:53AM RIGHT-OF-WAY?
10:57:53AM WILL THE VACATING ALLEVIATE A PUBLIC NUISANCE OR CURTAIL
10:57:57AM CRIMINAL ACTIVITY?
10:57:57AM WILL THE VACATING FOSTER REDEVELOPMENT?
10:58:01AM AND WILL AN ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER'S ACCESS TO THEIR
10:58:04AM PROPERTY BE COMPLETELY CUT OFF OR SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISHED?
10:58:08AM BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND CITY COUNCIL THAT PUBLIC
10:58:14AM COMMENTS WERE NOT CLOSED.
10:58:16AM IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF HOW WE GO FROM HERE, WHETHER YOU
10:58:19AM WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MR. SAMONS GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF HIS
10:58:23AM PRESENTATION.
10:58:23AM WHETHER YOU WANT TO JUMP RIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS, OR
10:58:26AM WHETHER YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NOW THAT YOU WOULD
10:58:28AM LIKE FOR THEM TO ADDRESS.
10:58:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
10:58:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HEAR THE PRESENTATION BY MR. SAMONS BECAUSE
10:58:35AM IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
10:58:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SAMONS.
10:58:40AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
10:58:43AM PRESENTING FILE VAC 22-14.
10:58:46AM PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS TO VACATE THE ALLEY LYING NORTH
10:58:52AM OF STROUD AVENUE, SOUTH OF CHICAGO AVENUE, EAST OF CAROLINA
10:58:53AM AVENUE, AND WEST OF MOODY AVENUE.
10:59:00AM THE APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY FILED MARCH 16 OF 2022.
10:59:04AM THE APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF THE ALLEY
10:59:07AM REQUESTED TO BE VACATED.
10:59:09AM APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS TO CLEAN UP THE
10:59:12AM UNUSED ALLEY.
10:59:13AM ALLEY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
10:59:14AM EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 7,300 SQUARE FEET.
10:59:18AM THE ALLEY IN YELLOW, WEST TO EAST, NORTH TO SOUTH.
10:59:29AM HERE IS STROUD, CHICAGO AVENUE, CAROLINA AVENUE, AND MOODY
10:59:34AM IS HERE.
10:59:40AM THIS IS THE CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEY SHEET SHOWING THE ALLEY
10:59:45AM IN PINK HERE.
10:59:48AM AND IT SHOWS PREVIOUSLY VACATED RIGHTS-OF-WAY IN THE PAST
10:59:52AM HERE, HERE, SOUTH OF STROUD, AND ALSO NORTH OF CHICAGO
10:59:58AM AVENUE HERE.
11:00:00AM HERE IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
11:00:12AM DEDICATED THE ALLEYWAY IN BLOCK TWO OF CB SHAW'S.
11:00:18AM THIS IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT IS REQUESTED TO BE VACATED.
11:00:21AM HERE IS CHICAGO AVENUE SUBDIVISION.
11:00:35AM NORTH OF THE ALLEY THAT'S REQUESTED TO BE VACATED.
11:00:38AM AGAIN, THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS SUBDIVISION, THE NORTH
11:00:41AM BOUNDARY HERE, SOUTH BOUNDARY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE
11:00:44AM EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:00:47AM THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING NORTH FROM STROUD AVENUE.
11:01:05AM THIS IS THE NORTH AND SOUTH SECTION OF THE ALLEY REQUESTED
11:01:08AM TO BE VACATED LOOKING NORTH FROM STROUD AVENUE.
11:01:12AM THIS IS LOOKING EAST FROM CAROLINA AVENUE IN THE GENERAL
11:01:23AM AREA -- AND THE GENERAL AREA OF THE ALLEYWAY IS HERE.
11:01:27AM STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE VACATING REQUEST.
11:01:35AM EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE NEEDED FOR WASTEWATER, STORMWATER,
11:01:39AM TECO, FRONTIER AND SPECTRUM.
11:01:41AM NATURAL RESOURCES COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 IN REGARD TO TREE
11:01:45AM PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
11:01:47AM THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
11:01:50AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:01:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
11:02:06AM >>RON WIGGINTON: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:02:08AM AS A SUPPLEMENT TO MR. ROSS' PRESENTATION, THE STORMWATER
11:02:11AM EASEMENT IS NO LONGER NEEDED.
11:02:13AM THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS REVISITED THAT ISSUE AND DECLARED
11:02:16AM THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE EASEMENT.
11:02:18AM BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, THAT RESERVATION WILL BE
11:02:20AM REMOVED FROM THE ORDINANCE.
11:02:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE THE PETITIONER HERE?
11:02:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:02:38AM STEVE MICHELINI.
11:02:41AM AS THE STAFF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT,
11:02:45AM THERE'S NO LONGER A PUBLIC PURPOSE THAT'S BEING SERVED BY
11:02:48AM THIS ALLEY.
11:02:49AM IT DOES FACILITATE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT ON STROUD FOR
11:02:53AM REDEVELOPMENT OF SOME PROPERTIES ON THE WEST END OF THE
11:02:57AM ALLEY OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE ALLEY.
11:02:58AM ALSO, IT PROPOSES, OR AT LEAST IT WILL CAUSE THE CITY TO
11:03:06AM HAVE MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND COSTS THAT ARE NOT ASSOCIATED
11:03:10AM WITH AN ALLEY THAT'S OBSTRUCTED AND IS UNUSED.
11:03:14AM THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE WAS REPLATTED IN 1987, AND
11:03:21AM DURING THAT REPLATTING PROCESS, THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE
11:03:26AM ALLEY, WHICH AS STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, DID NOT INCLUDE THE
11:03:29AM ALLEY TO THE SOUTH, WHICH ONLY NOW SERVICES THE PROPERTIES
11:03:32AM ALONG STROUD.
11:03:35AM IT DOES NOT SERVICE IN A PLAT SENSE, DOES NOT SERVICE THE
11:03:39AM PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS CHICAGO.
11:03:42AM I SHOWED YOU A NUMBER OF PICTURES AND THE STAFF HAS ALREADY
11:03:45AM POINTED OUT TO YOU, AGAIN, THAT THE ALLEY IS OBSTRUCTED.
11:03:49AM IT'S UNUSED.
11:03:50AM THE EASEMENTS WILL BE RESERVED FOR THE VARIOUS UTILITIES.
11:03:53AM SO THAT WILL CONTINUE.
11:03:56AM THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES AND THE
11:04:00AM HARDSHIPS CREATED BY THE DESIGN OF THE TOWN HOUSES.
11:04:02AM THOSE ARE SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIPS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
11:04:05AM THE ALLEY VACATING ITSELF.
11:04:08AM THERE'S ONLY ONE GATE CURRENTLY FROM THE NORTH SIDE THAT
11:04:11AM ACCESSES THE ALLEY, AND THE REMAINING OF THE PROPERTIES ARE
11:04:17AM ALL FENCED IN.
11:04:17AM THERE IS AN ELEVATED CONCRETE MASONRY WALL ALONG THE ALLEY
11:04:23AM ON THE NORTH SIDE.
11:04:24AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S A RESERVATION FOR A DRAINAGE
11:04:27AM EASEMENT AND STORMWATER RESERVATION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 20
11:04:30AM FEET.
11:04:32AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN ADD TO YOU.
11:04:34AM THE STAFF IS SUPPORTING THIS AS OPPOSED TO IF THEY HAD
11:04:39AM CONCERNS OR OBJECTIONS, IT WOULDN'T BE BEFORE YOU IN THIS
11:04:42AM MANNER.
11:04:42AM WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU PROCEED WITH THE
11:04:46AM VACATING OF THIS AND THAT WE WILL RESERVE THE EASEMENTS AS
11:04:50AM REQUESTED BY THE CITY.
11:04:51AM I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR I CAN GO
11:04:55AM THROUGH THE REST OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TO
11:04:59AM YOU PREVIOUSLY.
11:05:01AM HOWEVER, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE COUNCIL.
11:05:04AM WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE MET ALL THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED BY
11:05:08AM THE CITY REGARDING THE VACATING.
11:05:11AM THEY CONCUR THAT IT IS UNUSED AND CERTAINLY THE COST OF
11:05:15AM MAINTAINING THAT.
11:05:16AM I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS WITH TRANSPORTATION.
11:05:19AM THEY HAVE NOT INTENTION WHATSOEVER OF IMPROVING THIS ALLEY
11:05:24AM AREA IF IT REMAINS OPEN.
11:05:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
11:05:31AM IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
11:05:37AM ITEM NUMBER 71?
11:06:10AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:06:11AM MY NAME IS KIM PRICE.
11:06:12AM I'M AT 2410 WEST CHICAGO AVENUE.
11:06:15AM THE STROUD OWNERS WEIGHED IN ON THEIR GENERAL FEELING
11:06:19AM REGARDING THE ALLEY, BUT WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO OR NOT DO ON
11:06:22AM OUR PROPERTY, IT'S JUST NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
11:06:25AM AND WHAT TRANSPIRES ON OUR SIDE OF THE FENCE IS ALSO NONE OF
11:06:29AM THEIR BUSINESS.
11:06:29AM BUT WE DESERVE SPACE BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES BECAUSE WE DON'T
11:06:31AM WANT THE OBVIOUS LIABILITY OR THE BURDEN ASSOCIATED WITH
11:06:34AM STROUD OWNERS USING OUR FENCE AS THEIR OWN.
11:06:37AM WE DESERVE ACCESS TO THE REAR OF OUR PROPERTIES FOR REPAIR,
11:06:40AM REMODELING, DELIVERIES, ACCESS TO UTILITIES OR WHATEVER WE
11:06:43AM WANT.
11:06:44AM OUR TOWNHOMES ARE ATTACHED.
11:06:46AM THAT ALLEY WAS BROUGHT IN FOR OUR USE.
11:06:50AM WHETHER WE USE IT ALL THE TIME OR WE USE IT FREQUENTLY OR
11:06:53AM INFREQUENTLY DOES NOT MATTER.
11:06:54AM WITHOUT IT, WE HAVE ZERO ACCESS, WHICH IS NUMBER 4 ON THE
11:06:59AM CITY'S CRITERIA, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE HARDSHIP THAT IT WILL
11:07:02AM DO TO US?
11:07:02AM WE WILL HAVE ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT OF OUR FRONT PROPERTY.
11:07:06AM WE ARE ATTACHED.
11:07:08AM I WON'T ELABORATE, BUT THE STROUD OWNERS HAVE SAID, YOU
11:07:12AM KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU ACCESS.
11:07:14AM SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO JUST LOOK AT EXHIBIT A WHICH IS
11:07:20AM THE ONE AND ONLY COMMUNICATION INITIATED BY A STROUD
11:07:25AM HOMEOWNER TO ME IN REGARD TO THE REMOVAL OF THE TREE, WHICH
11:07:27AM WAS NOT MINE NOR ON MY PROPERTY.
11:07:29AM I'LL LET YOU DECIDE IF THIS TONE, THE INTENT OF THE EXCHANGE
11:07:32AM AND IF THIS WOULD GIVE YOU ANY POSITIVE FEELINGS ABOUT THEIR
11:07:36AM WILLINGNESS TO BE HELPFUL GIVEN ON HOW THEY FEEL THE ENTIRE
11:07:40AM HOOD APPARENTLY FEELS.
11:07:41AM AND HEAVEN FORBID I NEED ACCESS TO DO SOMETHING THEY DON'T
11:07:46AM WANT ME TO DO.
11:07:46AM WELL, WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, SO WE'RE NOT GOING
11:07:49AM TO LET YOU GO.
11:07:50AM THIS IS THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME.
11:07:52AM I'M IN GREEN, BY THE WAY.
11:07:54AM ALL OF THE VERBAL VOLLEYBALL THAT I'VE DONE WITH STROUD,
11:07:57AM IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU WANT TO READ IT.
11:07:58AM BUT THEY ARE GRASPING AT STRAWS.
11:08:00AM THEY ARE BEGGING FOR FORGIVENESS BECAUSE AT NO TIME DID THEY
11:08:03AM BOTHER TO ASK FOR PERMISSION OR PERMITS REGARDING THE
11:08:06AM STRUCTURES OR THE ENCROACHMENTS IN THE ALLEYWAY.
11:08:08AM IF ANYTHING, THEY ARE PAINTING THEMSELVES BENEVOLENT IN
11:08:11AM ALLOWING US ACCESS.
11:08:12AM I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYBODY HERE, ANYBODY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:08:14AM WHO IS A FEE SIMPLE OWNER THAT CANNOT ACCESS THEIR
11:08:18AM BACKYARDS.
11:08:18AM WE'RE NOT AN HOA.
11:08:20AM WE ARE NOT CONDOS.
11:08:23AM WE OWN OUR PROPERTY.
11:08:24AM CHICAGO AVENUE RESIDENTS, WE'RE NOW IN THE POSITION OF
11:08:29AM DEFENDING OURSELVES.
11:08:30AM WE'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
11:08:31AM WE'VE BROKEN NO CITY OR COUNTY LAWS.
11:08:32AM WE'VE COMMITTED NO ILLEGAL ACTS.
11:08:34AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VACATION GOT TRACTION WHEN I PERSONALLY
11:08:37AM HAVE TRIED, OBVIOUSLY UNSUCCESSFUL, TO REGAIN ACCESS TO THE
11:08:40AM ALLEY LONG BEFORE CHAMPA BAY CAME AROUND.
11:08:44AM AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PLACEMENT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES
11:08:46AM IS UNLAWFUL, PERMITS WERE NOT ISSUED BECAUSE -- WE WOULD
11:08:50AM JUST ASK THAT YOU NOT ONLY VOTE NO TO VACATING THE ALLEY BUT
11:08:54AM CITING THE STROUD AVENUE HOMEOWNERS FOR THEIR ENCROACHMENT
11:08:57AM AND ENFORCING COMPLIANCE.
11:08:59AM I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT CAN ATTEST TO WHAT
11:09:01AM I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
11:09:04AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:09:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I JUST HAVE ONE.
11:09:06AM FROM THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME,
11:09:12AM THE FENCE IS --
11:09:15AM >> WE HAVE A REMOVABLE VINYL FENCE, CORRECT.
11:09:18AM WHAT I LOOK AT --
11:09:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAY I FINISH MY QUESTION, PLEASE?
11:09:22AM THE FENCE IS ON TOP OF A CONCRETE WALL.
11:09:26AM >> RETENTION WALL THAT WAS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER FOR WATER
11:09:29AM SITUATIONS.
11:09:30AM IT'S A RETENTION WALL DONE FOR THE STROUD AVENUE.
11:09:36AM ANYTHING ELSE?
11:09:36AM THANK YOU.
11:09:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:09:47AM >> HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:09:48AM MY NAME IS LAURA BREWSER.
11:09:51AM I RESIDE AT 2412 WEST CHICAGO AVENUE.
11:09:55AM I JUST TOOK POSSESSION OF MY PROPERTY IN AUGUST OF THIS
11:10:02AM YEAR.
11:10:03AM I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT I
11:10:05AM CAN TELL YOU AS A NEW HOMEOWNER, ACCESS TO THE CITY-OWNED
11:10:09AM ALLEY WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ME.
11:10:10AM LACK OF ACCESS, EVEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, HAS
11:10:13AM BEEN PROBLEMATIC WITH THE HURRICANE AND A BROKEN-DOWN FENCE
11:10:18AM I HAD TO REMOVE, THE HURRICANE DEBRIS HAD TO BE WRAPPED UP
11:10:21AM IN A BLANKET AND TAKEN OUT THROUGH MY HOUSE.
11:10:26AM YOU CAN IMAGINE THE MESS OF THAT.
11:10:28AM I PLAN ON RENOVATING MY BACKYARD IN THE FUTURE, SO REAR
11:10:31AM ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IN IMPLEMENTING
11:10:34AM THIS.
11:10:34AM HERE IS A COPY OF THE SURVEY THAT I RECEIVED PRIOR TO MY
11:10:37AM CLOSING AUGUST 12 THAT WAS DONE.
11:10:39AM AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE, IT DOES SHOW THAT 12-FOOT ALLEY
11:10:43AM BEHIND MY HOME.
11:10:43AM THERE IS NO OBSTRUCTION IN ANY WAY ON IT.
11:10:47AM I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO INSTALL A GATE IN THE BACK OF MY
11:10:50AM PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO EXIT WITH CONSTRUCTION SUPPLIES AND
11:10:54AM DEBRIS, IF NEEDED.
11:10:56AM I CANNOT PUT A GATE INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S BACKYARD.
11:10:59AM TO ME, IT IS NOT REASONABLE THAT ACCESS TO THE REAR OF OUR
11:11:03AM PROPERTY IS ONLY AT THE WILL OF A NEIGHBOR TO GRANT ME
11:11:06AM ACCESS.
11:11:07AM IF THAT NEIGHBOR WITHHOLDS CONSENT FOR ANY REASON, I HAVE NO
11:11:11AM ACCESS TO THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY.
11:11:13AM WHAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY?
11:11:15AM WHAT IF THEY ARE AWAY OR THEY MOVE AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS JUST
11:11:19AM NOT AS NICE TO ALLOW THAT?
11:11:21AM THIS ALLEY WAS IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
11:11:23AM IT IS ADVANTAGEOUS TO US AS PROPERTY OWNERS WITH NO SIDE
11:11:27AM ACCESS TO HAVE FRONT AND REAR ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTIES.
11:11:30AM I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE ALLEY HAS BEEN THIS WAY AND USED
11:11:34AM BY THE NEIGHBORS, BUT THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS NEGLIGENT IN
11:11:37AM ALLOWING THAT.
11:11:38AM I'M ASKING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL NOT ALLOW IT ANY FURTHER,
11:11:41AM AND THAT THE ALLEYWAY BE REINSTATED SO IT CAN BE USED YET
11:11:45AM AGAIN.
11:11:45AM THANK YOU.
11:11:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:11:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:11:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROSS, YOU NEVER SHOWED ACTUAL PHOTOS OF
11:11:53AM THAT ALLEY.
11:11:55AM I WANT TO SEE PHOTOS OF THAT ALLEY.
11:11:57AM SHOW DIAGRAMS.
11:12:00AM I WANT TO SEE ACTUAL VISUAL PHOTOS OF THAT ALLEY.
11:12:03AM I WANT TO SEE THE PHOTOS OF THE ALLEY.
11:12:06AM DIDN'T YOU PRESENT THAT LAST TIME TO US?
11:12:08AM THE ACTUAL PHOTOS?
11:12:10AM >>ROSS SAMONS: NO.
11:12:12AM BECAUSE UNABLE TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY THAT'S FENCED OFF.
11:12:17AM I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT PHOTOS I HAVE, SURE.
11:12:19AM THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL FIRST.
11:12:26AM THE TOWNHOME BOUNDARY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ALLEY
11:12:34AM HERE.
11:12:34AM AND THIS SECTION HERE ALSO.
11:12:39AM HANG ON ONE SECOND.
11:12:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THOUGHT WE HAD OTHER PHOTOS.
11:13:00AM >>ROSS SAMONS: SHOW YOU FROM HERE STANDING ON CAROLINA
11:13:03AM AVENUE, LOOKING EAST.
11:13:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, MR. GUDES, I REMEMBER PHOTOS ALSO,
11:13:14AM PEOPLE THAT BUILT LIKE BARBEQUE PITS.
11:13:17AM >>ROSS SAMONS: THE ACTUAL SURVEY ITSELF.
11:13:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THOSE SORT OF THINGS IN THE ALLEY.
11:13:28AM >>ROSS SAMONS: I'LL SHOW YOU THE FIRST PAGE OF THE SURVEY.
11:13:30AM HERE IS THE SURVEY.
11:13:34AM THIS IS THE ALLEY THAT IS REQUESTED TO BE VACATED.
11:13:37AM THIS IS THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF CHICAGO AVENUE SUBDIVISION.
11:13:43AM AGAIN, IT'S ONLY SHOWING HALF OF THAT SUBDIVISION.
11:13:46AM THIS IS CHICAGO AVENUE HERE.
11:13:47AM AND STROUD HERE.
11:13:56AM THE SECOND PAGE OF THE SURVEY THAT WAS COMPLETED BY THE CITY
11:14:01AM SURVEYOR.
11:14:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY OPPOSITION SAYING, IF WE CLOSE THE
11:14:08AM ALLEY, THEY CAN'T GET IN THE ALLEY TO THEIR PROPERTY, IS
11:14:11AM THAT CORRECT?
11:14:13AM >>ROSS SAMONS: CORRECT.
11:14:14AM THIS IS NORTH AND SOUTH SECTION HERE.
11:14:17AM AGAIN, SHOWING SOME PAVERS HERE.
11:14:21AM THIS IS A WOODSHED HERE.
11:14:26AM TWO PLASTIC SHEDS HERE.
11:14:31AM IT LOOKS LIKE A FIRE PIT HERE ON THE WEST END AND SOME
11:14:37AM PAVERS.
11:14:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, ARE YOU COMPLETED WITH
11:14:44AM YOUR QUESTIONS?
11:14:44AM I'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COME BACK TO COUNCILMAN
11:14:47AM MIRANDA.
11:14:48AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:14:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: PUBLIC IS NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEAK UP BUT I
11:14:57AM HEARD SOMEONE SAID THEY HAVE PHOTOS.
11:14:59AM ARE WE ALLOWED TO ASK THE PUBLIC TO SHOW THEIR PHOTOS?
11:15:05AM >>RON WIGGINTON: AGAIN, MOST OF THE SPEAKERS WHO HAVE
11:15:07AM ALREADY SPOKEN, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THEY HAVE SPOKEN.
11:15:09AM IF YOU WANT TO BRING THEM BACK UP AND ASK IF THEY HAVE THE
11:15:12AM PHOTOS, IT WOULD BE AT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:15:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?
11:15:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE SPEAKER -- ANY SPEAKER
11:15:19AM THAT HAS SPOKEN ALREADY FOR PHOTOS?
11:15:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO ANSWER MR. GUDES' QUESTION.
11:15:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
11:15:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES, DO YOU HAVE PHOTOS?
11:15:32AM >> YES.
11:15:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUBMIT YOUR
11:15:35AM PHOTOS?
11:15:35AM >> YES.
11:15:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:15:36AM MA'AM HAVE YOU SPOKEN YET?
11:15:49AM >> NOT YET.
11:15:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK?
11:15:54AM >> YES.
11:15:54AM BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR THE PHOTOS AND IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME,
11:16:00AM I'LL TRY TO PULL THIS OUT SEPARATELY.
11:16:03AM REALLY QUICK, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT --
11:16:08AM BRIDGET MACE, 2420 WEST CHICAGO.
11:16:12AM REALLY QUICK, THIS IS JUST A STREET VIEW OF THE TOWNHOMES
11:16:16AM FROM THE FRONT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE ATTACHED
11:16:20AM AND HOW OUR BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE PETITION IS THE FACT THAT
11:16:24AM WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY IN ENFORCING
11:16:28AM COMPLIANCE OF THE STROUD RESIDENCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE
11:16:32AM VIOLATED THE ENCROACHMENT TAKING OVER THE ALLEY AND PUTTING
11:16:35AM UP FENCES.
11:16:36AM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT A YEAR AND A HALF.
11:16:38AM OUR BIGGEST ISSUE IS WE THOUGHT WE WERE MOVING FORWARD.
11:16:41AM WE WERE TOLD THEY WOULD BE CITED.
11:16:43AM THEY NEVER WERE.
11:16:44AM THEY WEREN'T FORCED TO BE COMPLIANT AND WE'VE BEEN ASKING
11:16:47AM FOR ACCESS FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE OF THE BURDENS AND ISSUES
11:16:51AM THAT IT'S CAUSED.
11:16:52AM SO JUST TO SHOW YOU, THAT'S WHY OUR BIGGEST THING IS JUST
11:16:55AM HAVING REAR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
11:16:57AM AS FAR AS THE PHOTOS THAT I THINK YOU WOULD MAYBE WANT TO
11:17:01AM SEE, THIS IS JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF THE PICTURE
11:17:07AM -- THERE IS A CHICAGO RESIDENT THAT NEEDED A TREE REMOVED.
11:17:13AM THE CITY ARBORIST LOOKED AT IT.
11:17:16AM IT WAS UP FOR REMOVAL.
11:17:17AM IN ORDER TO ACCESS THAT TREE, THEY HAD TO ASK PERMISSION
11:17:20AM FROM A STROUD RESIDENT TO GO THROUGH THEIR YARD BECAUSE THE
11:17:23AM ALLEY WOULD TECHNICALLY BE BEHIND THE FENCE.
11:17:26AM THE ALLEY IS NOT THERE BECAUSE THEY TOOK OVER AND ASSUMED
11:17:29AM 12-FOOT OF THE ENTIRE ALLEY AND PUT UP THEIR OWN ACCESSORY
11:17:32AM STRUCTURES.
11:17:33AM AND THEN JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THIS CAUSES FROM OUR
11:17:39AM PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A LOT OF DEBRIS OR CONSTRUCTION THAT
11:17:43AM GOES ON THAT WE NEED ACCESS.
11:17:45AM THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE FROM THE HOUSE IS TO ACTUALLY
11:17:48AM PHYSICALLY WALK THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE HOUSE AND OUT THE FRONT
11:17:51AM DOOR OR GARAGE.
11:17:52AM YOU CANNOT GET TO IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ASSUMED AND INVADED
11:17:57AM THE ALLEY.
11:17:58AM ANOTHER PICTURE, WE HAVE A HOMEOWNER RIGHT NOW THAT HAS A
11:18:02AM PROJECT GOING ON IN THE REAR, AND THIS IS SHOWING YOU
11:18:04AM ACTUALLY A PICTURE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE
11:18:06AM NOWHERE ELSE TO TAKE THIS OTHER THAN THROUGH THEIR HOUSE TO
11:18:10AM GET TO THE BACK IN ORDER TO PURSUE THIS PROJECT THAT THEY
11:18:14AM HAVE.
11:18:15AM WHAT YOU'RE MAYBE REFERRING TO FROM A PICTURE WOULD BE -- IS
11:18:22AM THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PETITIONER'S BACKYARD WHO IS A
11:18:27AM DEVELOPER AND OWNS THIS PROPERTY WHO WANTS TO BUILD
11:18:30AM TOWNHOMES.
11:18:31AM SO THIS IS AN ALLEY THAT'S UNUSED.
11:18:33AM IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, IT'S CLEARLY
11:18:36AM USED AND ENJOYED BY THE STROUD RESIDENTS.
11:18:38AM THEY HAVE CUT OFF OUR ACCESS, WHICH IS REALLY OUR CHALLENGE
11:18:43AM HERE.
11:18:43AM WE HAVE BEEN PURSUING THIS TO TRY TO GET THIS.
11:18:46AM THIS IS WHY WE'RE AGAINST THE PETITION BECAUSE WE REALLY
11:18:48AM JUST WANT IT REINSTATED.
11:18:50AM IF YOU WANT TO SEE ANY OTHER ENCROACHMENTS, THERE ARE SOME
11:18:55AM PICTURES, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S BEHIND THERE.
11:18:57AM YOU CAN SEE STRUCTURES IN THE BACK, AND I HAVE PROVIDED
11:19:00AM COPIES OF THIS AND WILL SUBMIT IT TO YOU AS WELL.
11:19:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU FINISHED, MA'AM?
11:19:08AM >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:19:09AM I MEAN, I THINK REALLY, WE FEEL LIKE WE WERE WORKING WITH
11:19:12AM THE CITY AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WOULD BE CITED.
11:19:15AM THESE ENCROACHMENTS WOULD BE REMOVED, SO WE THOUGHT WE'RE
11:19:18AM MOVING FORWARD AND THEN THE PETITION CAME UP, AND THIS IS
11:19:21AM REALLY JUST FOR A DEVELOPER TO BUILD TOWNHOMES WHILE YOU
11:19:26AM WOULD BE CUTTING OFF PERMANENT ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE
11:19:29AM PROPERTY.
11:19:29AM AS FAR AS THE FENCES, THERE ARE PLENTY OF FENCES ON ALLEYS
11:19:34AM IN TAMPA AND NO ONE HAS REALLY ENCROACHED THOSE AND YOU
11:19:39AM STILL HAVE ACCESS.
11:19:39AM THE REASON WHY WE REPLACED OUR WOOD FENCE WITH A VINYL FENCE
11:19:44AM IS SO WE COULD ADD GATES.
11:19:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S MY POINT.
11:19:48AM I WANT TO KNOW, YOU SAY THE NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE COMPLAINTS
11:19:51AM TO CODE ENFORCEMENT IN REFERENCE TO THE ALLEY?
11:19:54AM >> YES.
11:19:55AM WE HAD SUBMITTED LAST TIME, AT LEAST 15 PAGES OF
11:19:59AM DOCUMENTATION WITH DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS AND STAFF, AND
11:20:02AM WE WERE EVEN TOLD BY CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT THEY WERE GOING
11:20:04AM TO CITE THE RESIDENTS AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
11:20:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS CODE ENFORCEMENT HERE?
11:20:10AM I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME UP, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:20:25AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL.
11:20:27AM KEVIN AMOS, DISTRICT SUPERVISOR.
11:20:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TELL ME ABOUT THIS ALLEY AND TELL ME WHAT
11:20:36AM CODE ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILITY WAS IN REFERENCE TO THE
11:20:38AM COMPLAINTS OF THE RESIDENTS IN REFERENCE TO THE ALLEY AND
11:20:41AM WHAT ACTION DID WE TAKE OR WE DIDN'T TAKE?
11:20:43AM >> YES, SIR.
11:20:44AM WHEN THE INITIAL COMPLAINT CAME IN, WE WERE VERY SYMPATHETIC
11:20:48AM TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU HEARD THIS MORNING.
11:20:51AM WE SOUGHT GUIDANCE FROM LEGAL.
11:20:54AM THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF
11:20:58AM VACATING.
11:21:00AM AT THE TIME, THERE WAS NO SENSE OF URGENCY REGARDING THE
11:21:05AM ENCROACHMENTS.
11:21:07AM IT WAS A LOT OF EXPENSIVE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
11:21:10AM SO ANTICIPATING A VACATING PETITION, WE HELD OFF UNTIL THAT
11:21:15AM VACATING PETITION EITHER WAS PASSED OR NOT PASSED.
11:21:19AM IF IT'S NOT, WE COULD STILL SERVE NOTICE.
11:21:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO THERE WERE COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTS
11:21:24AM ABOUT THE ALLEY.
11:21:25AM >> YES, YES, THERE WERE.
11:21:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS POSITION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT WHEN
11:21:30AM THESE SITUATIONS COME UP?
11:21:32AM >> WHEN A SITUATION LIKE THIS COMES UP, AS UNIQUE AS IT IS,
11:21:35AM WE SOUGHT THE GUIDANCE OF LEGAL.
11:21:37AM AND THERE WERE A LOT -- THERE WERE SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH ALL
11:21:40AM THE CITY STAKEHOLDERS WHO DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF
11:21:45AM INTEREST IN WHAT WAS IN THE ALLEY WITH REGARD TO THE CITY'S
11:21:50AM INTEREST.
11:21:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
11:21:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:21:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. AMOS.
11:21:59AM I APPRECIATE YOUR SINCERITY AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE HERE
11:22:03AM TODAY.
11:22:03AM TELL ME ABOUT THE ALLEY.
11:22:07AM CAN YOU WALK THE ALLEY?
11:22:09AM >> NOT RIGHT NOW.
11:22:10AM NO, THE ENCROACHMENTS PREVENT THAT.
11:22:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
11:22:16AM DO YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES THAT WE CAN SEE THAT ARE ACTUAL
11:22:18AM PICTURES OF THE ALLEY?
11:22:18AM BECAUSE WHAT I SEE HERE IS AN ALLEY THAT'S OPEN THAT'S
11:22:21AM REALLY CLOSED.
11:22:23AM YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH IT.
11:22:24AM >> EXACTLY.
11:22:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT BRINGS IT TO THIS
11:22:28AM POINT TODAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT CLOSED WHEN THEY
11:22:32AM THEMSELVES CLOSED IT.
11:22:33AM THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND I'M NOT HERE TO
11:22:36AM FAULT ANYONE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, MAYBE SOMEBODY BEFORE
11:22:39AM THEM AND THEY BUILT THE HOUSE AFTER, BUT SOMEBODY VIOLATED
11:22:44AM WITH OR WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE -- MORNING, MR. ROBINSON -- WITH
11:22:48AM OR WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE, PUT SOMETHING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT
11:22:51AM WAS NOT THERE -- AM I CORRECT?
11:22:54AM >> YES.
11:22:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY?
11:22:57AM >> NOT EXACTLY.
11:22:58AM I'M GUESSING BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE
11:23:02AM PROPERTIES, MAYBE SIX.
11:23:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THIS ALLEY
11:23:06AM IS NOT CLOSED?
11:23:07AM HAVE TO REMOVE THEM?
11:23:09AM >> YES, YES.
11:23:09AM NOTICE WILL BE SERVED AND THE ENCROACHMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE
11:23:14AM REMOVED?
11:23:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
11:23:16AM >> I HAVE NO IDEA, SIR.
11:23:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU IN THE HOT
11:23:21AM SEAT.
11:23:21AM BELIEVE ME.
11:23:22AM IT'S UP TO THE HOMEOWNERS.
11:23:24AM FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, YOU HAVE A FENCE AND PROPERTY TAKEN
11:23:27AM OVER.
11:23:28AM IS THERE ANY CONCRETE BUILDINGS OR ANY CONCRETE POURED INTO
11:23:32AM THE ALLEY THAT THEY HAVE TO REMOVE?
11:23:35AM >> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY CONCRETE.
11:23:37AM THERE ARE A LOT OF PAVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
11:23:40AM EITHER WAY, IT'S A LOT OF EXPENSIVE PERSONAL ITEMS THAT HAVE
11:23:43AM BEEN INSTALLED.
11:23:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE EXPENSES
11:23:47AM ARE?
11:23:49AM >> GOSH, I COULDN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU.
11:23:50AM MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
11:23:51AM MANY THOUSANDS, PROBABLY.
11:23:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MANY THOUSANDS.
11:23:55AM THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE -- ARE THE NEIGHBORS STILL
11:23:58AM SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER?
11:23:59AM THE ONES THAT CLOSED THE ALLEY ILLEGALLY?
11:24:03AM >> I DON'T KNOW THAT.
11:24:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE THESE ARE
11:24:05AM THINGS GOING THROUGH MY MIND.
11:24:09AM I'VE NEVER SEEN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, THEY DON'T CLOSE THE
11:24:12AM ALLEY, THEY HAVE TO PAY TO LEAVE IT OPEN.
11:24:17AM IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE FERRIS WHEEL.
11:24:20AM YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WILL STOP, THE MOTOR IS BROKEN.
11:24:24AM SOMEBODY VIOLATED THE LAW.
11:24:26AM FOUR OR FIVE OF THE 10 OR 12 HOMES ON THE BLOCK ON EITHER
11:24:30AM SIDE.
11:24:30AM MAYBE 15, 20 HOMES.
11:24:32AM DO THEY KNOW ABOUT IT PERSONALLY OR THEMSELVES?
11:24:35AM >> THE ONES WITH THE ENCROACHMENTS?
11:24:37AM I'M QUITE CERTAIN THEY KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS, YES.
11:24:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANY ONE OF THEM IN THE ROOM TODAY?
11:24:45AM >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
11:24:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
11:24:49AM I SEE HEADS SHAKING AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A DETECTIVE ON
11:24:54AM THIS.
11:24:55AM THE ALLEY IS OPEN, BUT IT IS CLOSED AT THE SAME TIME.
11:24:58AM >> WELL, IT'S CLOSED DUE TO THE ENCROACHMENT.
11:25:01AM IT'S OPEN BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN VACATED.
11:25:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO ONE CAN NOW DRIVE A CAR THROUGH TO
11:25:07AM PARK IN THE BACKYARD, AM I CORRECT?
11:25:09AM >> CORRECT, YES.
11:25:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT AM I DOING HERE TODAY?
11:25:13AM >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
11:25:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION TO MYSELF.
11:25:18AM I SEE SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
11:25:22AM >> IT IS VERY UNIQUE.
11:25:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THIS WILL GO
11:25:27AM ON FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
11:25:29AM I IMAGINE YOU WOULD HAVE HOMEOWNERS AGAINST HOMEOWNERS.
11:25:32AM SOONER OR LATER -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. AMOS.
11:25:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M GOING TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN I
11:25:48AM WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION.
11:25:50AM BUT I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
11:25:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, I JUST WONDER IF LEGAL WILL ALLOW US, IF
11:25:55AM YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
11:25:57AM PUBLIC COME BACK AND RESPOND TO THAT.
11:26:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO REBUT WHAT THE CITY --
11:26:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: NOT TO REBUT.
11:26:09AM JUST TO GIVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE OR RESPONSE TO THAT.
11:26:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
11:26:14AM IT'S NORMALLY NOT DONE, SIR.
11:26:16AM NO.
11:26:17AM IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT YOU ASK, BUT THE
11:26:20AM QUESTION IS -- WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS DUE PROCESS AND
11:26:24AM CONSISTENCY WITH THE RECORD RELATIVE TO THIS HEARING.
11:26:28AM SO THE QUESTION IS, IT'S NOT AN OPEN FORUM AND IT'S NOT A
11:26:32AM DEBATE.
11:26:32AM IT IS TESTIMONY THAT'S BEING PROVIDED TO YOU BASED ON YOUR
11:26:36AM QUESTIONS, SPECIFICALLY, AND THEN BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT
11:26:39AM HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU UPON WHAT YOU MUST BASE YOUR
11:26:42AM DECISION.
11:26:43AM THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A BACK AND FORTH, NO.
11:26:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEN WE HAVE PARTIES WHO DON'T WANT IT
11:26:54AM CLOSED HERE.
11:26:54AM DO WE HAVE ANY OF THE PARTIES THAT HAVE ILLEGALLY BUILT
11:26:59AM SOMETHING OR BOUGHT SOMETHING ILLEGALLY HERE TODAY?
11:27:05AM >> I DON'T SEE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT THERE WAS ONE
11:27:07AM PUBLIC COMMENTER THAT SPOKE THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE
11:27:12AM NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY WHO SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
11:27:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT DID HE SAY?
11:27:20AM >> THAT THEY WERE GIVEN PERMISSION TO HAVE THE PAVERS
11:27:22AM INSTALLED AND HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THAT AREA AGAIN ON THE
11:27:25AM NORTH-SOUTH PART OF THE L-SHAPED ALLEYWAY.
11:27:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHO GAVE THEM THE PERMISSION?
11:27:31AM WE DON'T KNOW.
11:27:32AM >> THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
11:27:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAYBE IT'S ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS.
11:27:36AM YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT.
11:27:37AM I UNDERSTAND THAT, BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU.
11:27:42AM WEST TAMPA, SOUTH.
11:27:43AM I'M NOT UPSET WITH ANYONE, BUT THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS.
11:27:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:27:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST FOR THE RECORD, APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR
11:28:00AM WITH IT.
11:28:01AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT IT RIGHT.
11:28:03AM LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS FILED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THIS
11:28:06AM ALLEY, CORRECT, SIR?
11:28:07AM >> YES, YES, THERE WERE.
11:28:09AM THE MAIN COMPLAINANT WAS MS. PRICE WHO IS HERE TODAY, AND WE
11:28:15AM HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.
11:28:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOUR DEPARTMENT TOOK IT TO OTHER
11:28:20AM DEPARTMENT HEADS TO FIGURE OUT THIS SITUATION AND IT FELL ON
11:28:25AM DEAF EARS.
11:28:26AM THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING, SIR?
11:28:28AM >> WELL, IT DIDN'T FALL IN ON DEAF EARS.
11:28:32AM WE BROUGHT IN THE CITY STAKEHOLDERS AND HAD SEVERAL
11:28:35AM DISCUSSIONS WITH LEGAL ABOUT IT AND WE HEARD THAT THERE WERE
11:28:39AM A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSSIBLE VACATING.
11:28:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
11:28:46AM SOMETHING DONE ILLEGAL, CORRECT?
11:28:48AM >> YES.
11:28:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOUR DEPARTMENT TOOK IT TO THE ATTENTION OF
11:28:53AM LEGAL, WHATEVER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS
11:28:55AM SITUATION, CORRECT?
11:28:57AM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I STEP IN?
11:29:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SURE.
11:29:03AM >> KEITH O'CONNOR, DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT.
11:29:05AM JUST TO GO BACK TO WHAT KEVIN AMOS IS TRYING TO SAY, SO THIS
11:29:10AM IS A UNIQUE SITUATION.
11:29:11AM THIS ALLEYWAY AND THE ENCROACHMENTS, WE'RE TALKING MANY,
11:29:15AM MANY YEARS.
11:29:16AM YOU WOULD NEVER DRIVE BY HERE AND SAY THERE IS AN ALLEY
11:29:18AM THERE.
11:29:19AM AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES IN THE CITY LIKE THAT.
11:29:21AM BUT WHEN YOU GO TO THE PLAT, THE ALLEY IS CLEAR.
11:29:25AM SO TO HIS POINT AND TO YOUR POINT, WE CANNOT JUST LOOK AT IT
11:29:29AM AND GO THAT IS A CLEAR VIOLATION.
11:29:31AM I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE ALLEY IS.
11:29:33AM WE STARTED WITH THE SURVEY.
11:29:34AM LIKE HE SAID IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WAS NOTHING URGENT
11:29:38AM GOING ON HERE, WE'RE TALKING MANY, MANY YEARS.
11:29:40AM THIS ALLEY I DON'T THINK WAS EVER USED FOR VEHICULAR
11:29:44AM TRAFFIC.
11:29:44AM IT'S A NARROW ALLEY.
11:29:46AM IF YOU CLEARED IT OUT, YOU STILL CAN'T DRIVE DOWN IT BECAUSE
11:29:49AM YOU CAN'T TURN AT THE T.
11:29:53AM SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS DO THE SURVEY AND SEE EXACTLY
11:29:56AM WHAT IS IN THE ALLEY THAT WE COULD PROVE THERE IS AN
11:29:59AM ENCROACHMENT.
11:30:00AM SO WITH THE SURVEY, WE COULD SEE THAT THE SURVEYOR NOTICED
11:30:03AM IT'S FOUR PROPERTIES WHERE THERE ARE ENCROACHMENTS.
11:30:06AM WE STILL HAVE NOT SEEN THEM OURSELVES.
11:30:10AM IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A CASE, WE HAVE TO PROVE TO THE
11:30:13AM MAGISTRATE THAT'S WHAT IS ON THAT SURVEY IS THERE IN REAL
11:30:17AM LIFE AND TESTIFY TO IT.
11:30:18AM SO WE JUST WAITED TILL THIS PROCESS WENT THROUGH BECAUSE
11:30:23AM THERE REALLY IS NO SENSE OF URGENCY, YOU CAN GO AROUND, I
11:30:27AM BELIEVE, THE TOWNHOMES.
11:30:29AM THE ALLEY, IT'S A LONG WAY AWAY FROM BEING CLEAR EVEN TO GET
11:30:35AM THROUGH IT.
11:30:35AM IT'S WAY, WAY OVERGROWN.
11:30:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD GUY OR THE BAD GUY.
11:30:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU FINISHED?
11:30:44AM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ALSO, PLEASE.
11:30:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST CONSIDERING YOU TALKED ABOUT CONSULTING
11:30:54AM LEGAL, OTHER THAN INFORMING YOU THAT THESE HEARINGS WERE
11:30:58AM COMING UP, DID LEGAL GIVE ANY OTHER REASON AS TO WHY YOU
11:31:01AM SHOULDN'T FIND THAT THE FOUR PEOPLE WHO WERE VIOLATING THE
11:31:04AM ENCROACHMENT?
11:31:06AM >> THE DISCUSSION WAS ALWAYS ABOUT ONCE WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS
11:31:09AM WITH THE VACATING BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A LONG PROCESS, BUT I
11:31:13AM DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY THEM SAYING DON'T DO IT NOW OR
11:31:18AM DO IT LATER.
11:31:19AM WE HAD TO GET EVERYONE INVOLVED.
11:31:21AM WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS IN THERE UTILITY-WISE.
11:31:24AM AS WE WENT THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT, IT SEEMED LIKE NO ONE
11:31:27AM UTILITY-WISE WAS INTERESTED.
11:31:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
11:31:33AM FIRST STATEMENT, ALL THE MORE REASON WHY CODE ENFORCEMENT
11:31:36AM NEEDS DRONES.
11:31:37AM THAT WAY YOU CAN FLY OVER AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING
11:31:43AM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTIES.
11:31:46AM MR. AMOS, YOU'VE BEEN WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR A FEW YEARS.
11:31:51AM >> ABOUT 37.
11:31:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:31:54AM MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THIS ALLEY OPEN?
11:32:00AM >> NO.
11:32:00AM NO, I HAVEN'T.
11:32:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN SOUTH TAMPA AS
11:32:05AM A SUPERVISOR OR AN EMPLOYEE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT?
11:32:10AM >> SINCE I WAS DISTRICT SUPERVISOR IN SOUTH TAMPA SINCE
11:32:14AM 2008.
11:32:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 2008.
11:32:16AM I BELIEVE CANALEJO WAS DOWN THERE BEFORE YOU.
11:32:21AM >> HE WAS.
11:32:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:32:23AM NOW I'M GOING TO GO TO LEGAL.
11:32:27AM VACATING OF THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY -- IT IS 12-FOOT, CORRECT?
11:32:34AM 12-FOOT ALLEY?
11:32:35AM >> I THINK THE EAST AND WEST CORRIDOR IS 12 FEET, AND THE
11:32:40AM NORTH AND SOUTH IS 15?
11:32:40AM 10 AND 15.
11:32:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: REGARDLESS, IF THIS WAS TO BE VACATED, IT
11:32:45AM WOULD BE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN BOTH PROPERTIES.
11:32:48AM >> NO, SIR, I CANNOT MAKE THAT REPRESENTATION EITHER WAY.
11:32:50AM FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY DOES NOT GET INVOLVED IN PRIVATE
11:32:52AM PROPERTY BOUNDARY DISPUTES.
11:32:54AM AS I SAID, GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU DO TYPICALLY GO DOWN THE
11:32:57AM CENTER LINE; HOWEVER, WHEN THERE'S TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT
11:33:00AM ABUT EACH OTHER AND THE ALLEYWAY IS CONTAINED WITHIN ONE
11:33:03AM SUBDIVISION, THEN THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE SPLIT
11:33:06AM DOES NOT OCCUR AND ONE SIDE GETS IT ABOVE THE OTHER.
11:33:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M GLAD I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
11:33:10AM >> AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING OR MAKING ANY REPRESENTATION AS
11:33:13AM TO --
11:33:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUT THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD,
11:33:16AM AND I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND VARIOUS
11:33:21AM REVIEW BOARDS FOR YEARS.
11:33:23AM THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD IT.
11:33:24AM NOT SAYING YOU'RE WRONG.
11:33:26AM MY POINT WAS GOING TO BE, REGARDLESS, IF YOU DID SPLIT IT
11:33:28AM BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S IN
11:33:31AM THAT ALLEYWAY WOULD HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN ANYWAYS.
11:33:34AM >>RON WIGGINTON: ABSOLUTELY.
11:33:36AM CERTAINLY WOULD BE THE CHICAGO AVENUE TOWNHOME OWNERS THAT
11:33:38AM WOULD HAVE TO ENFORCE THAT RIGHT.
11:33:43AM THEIR FEE SIMPLE PROPERTY RIGHT.
11:33:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S PERSPECTIVE FOR ME.
11:33:47AM THANK YOU.
11:33:48AM IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE THAT IS GOING TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM
11:33:54AM NUMBER 71?
11:33:55AM YES, I BELIEVE THAT STEPHANIE POYNOR AND CARROLL ANN
11:34:02AM BENNETT.
11:34:04AM MS. POYNOR, ARE YOU THERE?
11:34:06AM MS. BENNETT, ARE YOU THERE?
11:34:11AM >> YES, I AM.
11:34:12AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:34:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE TO HAVE YOU ON VIDEO, MS. BENNETT.
11:34:16AM AND I WILL HAVE TO ASK YOU, AND IF MS. POYNOR IS THERE, TO
11:34:22AM PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.
11:34:28AM >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
11:34:30AM DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT
11:34:33AM TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
11:34:37AM >> YES.
11:34:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. POYNOR, YOU ARE MUTED.
11:34:41AM WE'LL GO TO MS. BENNETT.
11:34:46AM THANK YOU, MS. BENNETT.
11:34:48AM >> HI.
11:34:49AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:34:50AM LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
11:34:52AM I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE THINGS LEGAL TOLD YOU
11:34:56AM THAT YOU MUST CONSIDER IS WILL THE ABUTTING OWNERS' ACCESS
11:35:00AM BE CUT OFF?
11:35:01AM THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A YES.
11:35:03AM SO, LEGALLY, I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW YOU CAN IGNORE THAT
11:35:07AM BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN CONSIDER, AND
11:35:09AM THAT'S ONE OF THEM.
11:35:10AM I HEARD MR. MICHELINI SAY THERE'S NO PUBLIC PURPOSE.
11:35:14AM WELL, THERE'S NO PUBLIC PURPOSE DUE TO ILLEGAL ENCROACHMENT.
11:35:18AM AND THE PEOPLE WHO OBJECT TO THIS ARE TRYING TO USE IT FOR A
11:35:24AM PUBLIC PURPOSE.
11:35:26AM I ALSO HAVE TO WONDER IF WHEN STAFF MADE ITS RECOMMENDATION
11:35:29AM OF CONSISTENT, I DOUBT IF THEY HAD SPOKEN TO THE PEOPLE ON
11:35:33AM CHICAGO AND I DOUBT IF THEY WERE AWARE THAT THEY HAD BEEN
11:35:36AM TRYING TO GET THE ALLEY AVAILABLE TO THEM.
11:35:41AM ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT YOU HEARD
11:35:43AM THEM SAY THAT THE ALLEY IS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION OF THE
11:35:46AM TOWNHOMES.
11:35:48AM SO IT ACTUALLY BELONGS TO THAT SUBDIVISION.
11:35:52AM MS. POYNOR AND I RECENTLY HAD A SITUATION WITH A LARGE
11:35:56AM APARTMENT COMPLEX ON TRASK THAT WAS BUILT.
11:35:59AM SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS HAD ENCROACHED ON THAT APARTMENT
11:36:02AM COMPLEX'S RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:36:03AM AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX WANTED THE ENTIRE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND
11:36:08AM THEY WEREN'T GOING TO SPLIT IT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE
11:36:12AM THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS PART OF THE PLAT OF THEIR PROPERTY.
11:36:16AM I GREW UP IN AN AREA THAT HAD AN ALLEY IN THE BACK THAT WAS
11:36:20AM NEVER USED BY THE CITY OR ANYONE, ACTUALLY.
11:36:24AM AND SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS CONSIDERED FENCING IT IN, AND
11:36:29AM EVERYBODY KNEW, YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT, BUT IF IT EVER COMES TO
11:36:34AM BE A PROBLEM, YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN.
11:36:36AM THAT WOULD BE AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE.
11:36:38AM I WOULD WAGER THAT ONLY FOUR PEOPLE HE SAID HAVE ENCROACHED
11:36:41AM OUT OF A DOZEN.
11:36:42AM THE OTHER ONES DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW
11:36:45AM WHAT, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE CHANCE TO HAVE TO PAY TO TAKE
11:36:48AM IT DOWN.
11:36:49AM YOU NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS, OTHER
11:36:51AM THAN THE PETITIONER'S REPRESENTATIVES, NONE OF THE OTHER
11:36:53AM PEOPLE WHO ENCROACH, THEY ARE NOT HERE TODAY.
11:36:55AM I HAVE TO WONDER IF THEY KNOW THEY DID THE WRONG THING AND
11:36:59AM THEY ARE JUST PULLING THE RUG TO SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
11:37:04AM THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR TWO YEARS TO GET THE ALLEY
11:37:07AM BACK.
11:37:08AM I THINK IT'S AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM
11:37:13AM THEM.
11:37:13AM SO I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE DENIED.
11:37:15AM THANK YOU.
11:37:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. POYNOR.
11:37:20AM YOU ARE MUTED, MS. POYNOR.
11:37:24AM MS. POYNOR.
11:37:55AM >>THE CLERK: MS. POYNOR, YOU MAY NEED TO UNMUTE YOUR ACTUAL
11:37:59AM DEVICE.
11:38:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
11:38:03AM ANY REBUTTAL?
11:38:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU DO THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN,
11:38:10AM YOU DO HAVE MEMBERS OF STAFF HERE.
11:38:12AM IF YOU DO HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF, IF YOU WANT TO
11:38:15AM TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY, PLEASE DO SO BEFORE WE --
11:38:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK I'M GOOD.
11:38:22AM NO ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:38:25AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:38:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I ASK LEGAL A QUESTION?
11:38:28AM SINCE WE WENT THROUGH SUCH A LONG CONVERSATION WITH STAFF
11:38:31AM AND THE PUBLIC, SHOULD WE OFFER THE APPLICANT ANY ADDITIONAL
11:38:35AM TIME OR ANYTHING TO RESPOND?
11:38:39AM >>RON WIGGINTON: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:38:41AM SINCE YOU ALLOWED PUBLIC SPEAKERS TO SPEAK MULTIPLE TIMES, I
11:38:44AM CERTAINLY WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT --
11:38:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: -- CUSTOMARY.
11:38:52AM >> READY FOR ME?
11:38:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOW MUCH TIME ARE YOU GIVING HIM?
11:38:58AM >>THE CLERK: FIVE MINUTES --
11:39:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MICHELINI, PLEASE PROCEED.
11:39:03AM >> COUNCIL, THE STAFF HAS POINTED OUT THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE
11:39:07AM SITUATION, AND I CONCUR WITH THAT.
11:39:10AM IT IS A UNIQUE SITUATION.
11:39:11AM THE ALLEY WAS UNDEFINED.
11:39:14AM IT IS IMPASSABLE.
11:39:15AM I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN IMPASSABLE.
11:39:18AM I DON'T KNOW WHY SOMEONE THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD BUILD
11:39:21AM WHATEVER THEY WERE BUILDING OUT INTO WHAT IS A PLATTED
11:39:26AM ALLEY.
11:39:26AM SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE HIRED A THIRD-PARTY TITLE COMPANY TO
11:39:32AM TRY TO HELP US SORT THIS OUT.
11:39:35AM AND THEY CAME BACK TO US AND INDICATED THAT IN 1987, WHEN
11:39:40AM THE CHICAGO TOWN HOUSES WERE PLATTED, THEY DID NOT RESERVE
11:39:43AM ANY RIGHTS WHATSOEVER TO THE ALLEY.
11:39:46AM IT WAS ABANDONED.
11:39:47AM I'LL BE HAPPY TO SUBMIT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
11:39:49AM SO WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WE WANT OUR ALLEY BACK, THOSE
11:39:55AM RIGHTS TRANSFERRED TO EVERYBODY ON STROUD.
11:39:58AM THEY DID NOT RESERVE ANYTHING.
11:40:00AM THE FACT THAT THEY DESIGNED THE TOWN HOUSES IN A MANNER THAT
11:40:04AM THEY HAD NO ACCESS BACK THERE, THAT'S AN ISSUE REGARDING
11:40:08AM THEM AND THEIR DEVELOPER THAT DID THAT.
11:40:12AM IT DID NOT TRANSFER OVER TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG
11:40:16AM STROUD.
11:40:17AM I DO HAVE SOME OF OUR OWN PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I SHOWED YOU
11:40:22AM BEFORE.
11:40:22AM THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CHICAGO
11:40:29AM TOWN HOUSES.
11:40:31AM CONCRETE BLOCK WALL AND A FULL PVC FENCE.
11:40:35AM THERE IS NO ACCESS THERE.
11:40:37AM AND WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SEEKING PERMISSION FROM THE
11:40:40AM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO ACCESS THE REAR, THEY'RE CORRECT
11:40:45AM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHTS TO BEGIN WITH, AND THE
11:40:48AM SECOND PART OF THAT IS, IT'S IMPASSABLE.
11:40:52AM THERE'S ONLY ONE GATE ALONG THAT ENTIRE LENGTH AND WIDTH OF
11:40:55AM THE ALLEY THAT IS ACCESSIBLE BY THE CHICAGO TOWNHOMES.
11:41:02AM WITH RESPECT TO DOES IT SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE?
11:41:06AM IT DOES HAVE UTILITIES THERE, AND THOSE UTILITY EASEMENTS
11:41:10AM ARE BEING RESERVED FOR THE USE OF ALL OF THOSE ADJACENT
11:41:13AM PROPERTY OWNERS.
11:41:14AM I HAVE A VIDEO.
11:41:17AM WE DID AN AERIAL DRONE FLYOVER FOR THIS.
11:41:21AM I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW TO SHOW IT, BUT I HAVE IT.
11:41:26AM I SENT IT TO THE STAFF EARLIER AND WE WEREN'T SURE WHO WAS
11:41:32AM LOADING IT UP TO THE CITY, BUT I HAVE IT.
11:41:35AM IT CLEARLY SHOWS THE OBSTRUCTIONS.
11:41:37AM NOW, THE OBSTRUCTIONS WERE NOT PROPERLY PERMITTED.
11:41:40AM MAYBE THEY WERE PROPERLY PERMITTED.
11:41:42AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:41:42AM BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
11:41:46AM THE ISSUE IS THE ALLEY BEING USED OR CAN IT BE USED BY THE
11:41:50AM TOWN HOUSES ON CHICAGO?
11:41:51AM THE ANSWER IS NO.
11:41:53AM CAN'T.
11:41:53AM THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHTS TO IT ANYMORE.
11:41:55AM THEY GAVE IT UP.
11:41:56AM THEIR PLAT CLEARLY SHOWS THEY DID NOT RESERVE ANY RIGHTS TO
11:41:59AM THAT ALLEY.
11:42:00AM THE TITLE COMPANY THAT CAME BACK WITH A REPORT SHOWS THERE'S
11:42:05AM NOTHING THERE FOR THAT.
11:42:08AM AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT AMOUNTS TO IF THERE'S ACCESS TO BE
11:42:22AM GRANTED, IT'S A COOPERATION BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS.
11:42:25AM IT TRANSFERS FROM THE CITY TO A CIVIL ISSUE.
11:42:29AM IT'S NO LONGER -- IF YOU VACATE IT OR IF YOU DON'T VACATE
11:42:32AM IT, IT'S STILL A CIVIL ISSUE.
11:42:36AM BECAUSE TECHNICALLY, THE STROUD AVENUE PEOPLE COULD PUT A
11:42:39AM FENCE UP INSIDE OF THEIR FENCE.
11:42:43AM THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS TO THE ALLEY.
11:42:45AM I THINK THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE'VE SHOWN YOU BEFORE
11:42:51AM AND THE STAFF HAS SHOWN YOU, ACTUALLY, IT SITS LIKE THAT.
11:42:56AM I DON'T KNOW, AS THE STAFF ALSO POINTED OUT, YOU COULDN'T
11:43:04AM DRIVE A CAR THROUGH THERE IF YOU WANTED.
11:43:06AM IF YOU DON'T VACATE IT, THEN WE GO BACK AND CODE ENFORCEMENT
11:43:09AM ISSUES A CITATION AND TYPICALLY THE REASON THEY DON'T ISSUE
11:43:11AM A CITATION IS BECAUSE YOUR TRYING TO ACHIEVE A CURE.
11:43:18AM YOU'RE GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOW DO YOU CORRECT THIS
11:43:21AM PROBLEM?
11:43:21AM AND THE WAY TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM IS TO VACATE THE ALLEY.
11:43:27AM AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE IS DEALING WITH IT ON A DIFFERENT
11:43:31AM VENUE.
11:43:31AM THEY ARE NOT DEALING WITH IT HERE AND ARGUING WITH THE CITY
11:43:35AM STAFF.
11:43:35AM THEY ARE NOT ARGUING ABOUT WHO CAN DO WHAT THERE.
11:43:39AM IT'S NOT REOPENING FOR THEM.
11:43:41AM IT IS A MATTER OF IS IT ACCESSIBLE AND IS IT BEING UTILIZED
11:43:45AM FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG STROUD AND WITH THE PROPER
11:43:49AM EASEMENTS, THE CITY STAFF HAS TOLD YOU, THEY HAVE NO
11:43:52AM OBJECTIONS, AND EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER HAS KNOWN ABOUT
11:43:55AM THE ISSUES RELATED TO THIS.
11:43:57AM THERE ARE E-MAILS THAT GO ALL AROUND REGARDING THE
11:44:01AM DIFFICULTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY.
11:44:03AM WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL TO VACATE THE ALLEY,
11:44:11AM TAKE THIS OFF OF THE CITY'S AGENDA AND IT BECOMES A CIVIL
11:44:14AM ISSUE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE PETITIONER IF
11:44:18AM NECESSARY.
11:44:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:44:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. WIGGINTON.
11:44:30AM >>RON WIGGINTON: YES, SIR.
11:44:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE, WAS THERE, IS THERE NOW A
11:44:33AM VIOLATION OF THE ALLEYWAY?
11:44:37AM >>RON WIGGINTON: REPEAT YOUR QUESTION.
11:44:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE A VIOLATION OF THE ALLEY?
11:44:42AM >>RON WIGGINTON: THERE ARE ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE ALLEY.
11:44:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S A VIOLATION, RIGHT?
11:44:46AM >> THERE'S BEEN NO FINDING OF VIOLATION.
11:44:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOT TALKING TO YOU, SIR.
11:44:49AM IS THERE A VIOLATION?
11:44:50AM >>RON WIGGINTON: I CANNOT TELL YOU IF THERE IS A VIOLATION.
11:44:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M ASKING BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT JUST
11:44:54AM SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CITE.
11:44:56AM >>RON WIGGINTON: I WILL LET CODE ENFORCEMENT.
11:44:59AM >> WE WOULD CITE IF THERE'S AN ENCROACHMENT THAT WE CAN
11:45:03AM PROVE.
11:45:03AM RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SURVEY.
11:45:04AM WE HAVE NOT PHYSICALLY SEEN IT OURSELVES AND DONE AN
11:45:07AM INSPECTION.
11:45:07AM SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SURVEYOR SHOWS US THAT THERE IS
11:45:13AM ENCROACHMENTS AND AN ENCROACHMENT WOULD BE A VIOLATION.
11:45:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE.
11:45:18AM THE PROBLEM I HAVE THAT WE HAVE NOT COMPLETELY DONE OUR JOB.
11:45:23AM I FEEL THAT IF CITIZENS BROUGHT A COMPLAINT, WE SHOULD HAVE
11:45:27AM INVESTIGATED THE COMPLAINT THOROUGHLY.
11:45:28AM AND IF CODE ENFORCEMENT TOOK IT TO THE OTHER ENTITIES OF THE
11:45:31AM CITY AND WE DID NOTHING OR WE ARE JUST SITTING BACK WAITING
11:45:34AM TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO, TO ME, THAT'S WRONG.
11:45:37AM I THINK IT'S WRONG, AND WE SHOULD HAVE DID A LITTLE MORE
11:45:41AM INVESTIGATION -- THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS DEPEND ON US TO
11:45:43AM DO, TO GIVE THEM ANSWERS.
11:45:45AM WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW WE DID NOT CLEARLY GIVE THESE
11:45:47AM CITIZENS ANSWERS.
11:45:48AM IF THERE WAS A VIOLATION, THOSE PEOPLE IN VIOLATION SHOULD
11:45:52AM HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
11:45:55AM THEY ARE ALL LIVING THERE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
11:45:57AM WHAT I SEE RIGHT THERE, WIN, LOSE OR DRAW, YOU'LL HAVE
11:46:00AM PROBLEMS WITH THIS WHOLE SITUATION STILL.
11:46:02AM IT PROBABLY WILL END UP BEING A CIVIL SITUATION.
11:46:05AM BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE, THE BURDEN ON THIS COUNCIL TO
11:46:08AM MAKE A DECISION FOR OUR CITIZENS VERSUS LOOKING AT IT
11:46:12AM PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SETTLED DOWN HERE BEFORE.
11:46:14AM THAT'S MY ISSUE RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOW WE'RE THE BAD GUY FOR
11:46:18AM SOMEBODY VERSUS THE CITY BEING RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND
11:46:20AM INVESTIGATING, DOING IT PROPERLY AND MAKE A DECISION THERE
11:46:23AM AND NOW BRINGING TO ME CONCRETE EVIDENCE OF THINGS THAT NEED
11:46:27AM TO BE DONE.
11:46:28AM RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
11:46:31AM I YIELD BACK, SIR.
11:46:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:46:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
11:46:35AM I HOPE FOR THE LAST TIME, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. GUDES'
11:46:40AM ASSUMPTION OF THE FACTS.
11:46:41AM CAN I ASK THE CITY, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO HAVE
11:46:45AM CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT A VIOLATION IS THERE?
11:46:50AM >> IT DEPENDS ON IF THEY LET US IN THE BACKYARD.
11:46:53AM BUT I WOULD IMAGINE WE COULD UTILIZE THE CITY SURVEYOR WHO
11:46:58AM PHYSICALLY SAW HIM COULD BE USED AS A WITNESS, I WOULD
11:47:02AM IMAGINE.
11:47:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M JUST ASKING YOU, CHIEF, ABOUT THE
11:47:06AM SURVEYOR.
11:47:08AM CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT THE SURVEYOR'S INFORMATION TO YOU IS
11:47:11AM 100% CORRECT?
11:47:12AM HAVE ACTUAL PHOTOS?
11:47:14AM I'M SEEING PHOTOS ON PAPER BUT NOT THE ACTUAL PHOTO ITSELF.
11:47:18AM I KNOW THAT -- I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THIS THING COME TO AN
11:47:23AM END AND RESOLVE ITSELF.
11:47:25AM RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE -- WE'RE GOING TO BE PART OF
11:47:30AM LITIGATION BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT WILL HAVE TO CITE
11:47:32AM THEM AND TAKE THEM TO COURT, AM I CORRECT?
11:47:35AM >> WE WOULD CITE THE FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS IF WE ESTABLISH,
11:47:38AM THEY WOULD COME BEFORE A MAGISTRATE IF THEY DID NOT JUST
11:47:40AM REMOVE THE ENCROACHMENTS ON THEIR OWN.
11:47:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE?
11:47:44AM >> IT DEPENDS ON THE ENCROACHMENT.
11:47:46AM BUT THERE ARE SHEDS AND PAVERS.
11:47:48AM YOU COULD DO IT REAL QUICK OR YOU COULD -- THEY COULD SAY --
11:47:53AM MY EXPERIENCE IS A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE GOING TO FIGHT IT
11:47:55AM OUT AND STUFF, BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR MANY,
11:47:58AM MANY YEARS.
11:48:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT RESOLVED BUT I
11:48:05AM DON'T THINK -- IF I HAVE TO VOTE TODAY, THERE IS EVIDENCE
11:48:08AM THAT THE ALLEY, ALTHOUGH BEING OPEN ON PAPER, IS ACTUALLY
11:48:12AM CLOSED IN REALITY.
11:48:14AM THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THE ALLEY, FROM ONE
11:48:18AM SIDE TO THE OTHER.
11:48:19AM AND THAT MEANS IT'S OPEN.
11:48:20AM IF IT WAS CLOSED, COULDN'T DRIVE ANYWAY LEGALLY.
11:48:24AM IT'S NOT CLOSED, IT'S ILLEGALLY CLOSED AND YOU STILL CAN'T
11:48:28AM DRIVE THROUGH IT.
11:48:29AM IT'S A COMPLICATED SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HERE.
11:48:34AM I'D LIKE TO SEE IT RESOLVED BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT
11:48:36AM RESOLVED WHERE THE CITY IS OUT OF IT.
11:48:39AM NEIGHBORS WANT TO SUE EACH OTHER, IT'S UP TO THEM.
11:48:42AM BECAUSE THE PETITIONER HAS THE RIGHT ALSO, JUST LIKE THE
11:48:45AM NEIGHBORHOOD'S RIGHT.
11:48:45AM I HEARD WHAT THE YOUNG LADY SAID HERE ABOUT WE SHOULD DENY
11:48:50AM IT.
11:48:51AM WELL, THEY ARE NOT SITTING HERE AND LISTENING TO THE
11:48:54AM PROBLEMS.
11:48:55AM I'M NOT WILLING TO SAY I'M RIGHT OR WRONG.
11:48:58AM I WANT TO SAY I WANT IT TO BE 100% CORRECT WHEN I VOTE ON IT
11:49:02AM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
11:49:03AM I'M NOT SAYING YOU GUYS DIDN'T DO YOUR JOB.
11:49:06AM YOU DID YOUR JOB AND DID IT VERY THOROUGHLY.
11:49:09AM LIKE MR. GUDES SAYS, I NEED THE SURVEY TO SAY THIS IS WHAT
11:49:12AM IT IS SO IN CASE IT GOES TO COURT, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE
11:49:15AM EVIDENCE.
11:49:16AM DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS.
11:49:17AM THE EVIDENCE IS HERE IN FRONT OF THE MAGISTRATE.
11:49:19AM I NEED THE EVIDENCE, THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE FROM A SURVEYOR
11:49:23AM SAYING THAT THAT ALLEY IS IMPEDED AND NOT OPEN.
11:49:28AM IT'S CLOSED.
11:49:29AM >> THE SURVEY SHOWS THAT.
11:49:30AM THE SURVEY THAT WE HAVE, IT SHOWS THAT.
11:49:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE THE SURVEY AND SOMEBODY SAYS,
11:49:34AM YES, I DID IT.
11:49:37AM >> IT'S A CITY EMPLOYEE, YES.
11:49:39AM THEY ARE HERE SOMEWHERE.
11:49:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TODAY THEN?
11:49:43AM >>RON WIGGINTON: VIK BHIDE IS AVAILABLE, I BELIEVE, ONLINE,
11:49:48AM TO ADDRESS THE SURVEY ISSUE.
11:49:50AM ALSO JUST LIKE TO REMIND CITY COUNCIL THAT THE POINT OF
11:49:53AM VACATING IS SIMPLY TO RELEASE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:49:58AM THAT'S A SUPEREASEMENT, IF YOU WILL.
11:50:00AM WE HAVE RESERVED OTHER EASEMENTS, BUT THE ENCROACHMENT ISSUE
11:50:04AM IS REALLY A SIDE ISSUE, IF YOU WILL.
11:50:07AM A PRIVATE ISSUE, BECAUSE THE ENCROACHMENT MAY ONLY BE,
11:50:11AM VACATING IS APPROVED, MAY ONLY BE ON THE EASEMENT HOLDERS.
11:50:16AM SO ALL THE EASEMENTS THAT WE RESERVED, THOSE HOLDERS HAVE
11:50:19AM REVIEWED THIS AND HAVE NOT OBJECTED TO THE VACATION.
11:50:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY CLOSE ON MY PART, AGAIN, IT'S
11:50:32AM OPEN BUT IT'S CLOSED.
11:50:34AM LET'S SAY THERE WERE NO OTHER -- IF THIS PETITION THAT'S
11:50:37AM BEFORE US, IS THIS GOING TO EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM THAT WE
11:50:41AM HAVE THERE, IF THEY LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
11:50:45AM NO ONE CAN GO THERE.
11:50:46AM HE CAN'T GO INTO THE ALLEY.
11:50:47AM THE ALLEY IS CLOSED.
11:50:49AM HE CAN'T GO IN THERE LEGALLY.
11:50:50AM IF THE PETITIONER IS LOOKING AT IT AND ALL THE OTHERS ARE
11:50:57AM REMOVED, THEN HE WOULD BE THE ONES CLOSING THE ALLEY BECAUSE
11:51:00AM HE'S THE ONLY BUILDING OR THE ONLY WAY -- SEVEN FEET,
11:51:05AM WHATEVER, FIVE FEET ON HIS SIDE.
11:51:07AM BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE.
11:51:09AM YOU HAVE ALREADY BUILDINGS THAT CAN THIS BUILDING, THEY
11:51:12AM CAN'T DRIVE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO GET IN.
11:51:16AM UNLESS THIS NEW PETITION IS GOING TO STOP HER FROM DOING
11:51:20AM THAT, SHE CAN STILL DO IT.
11:51:23AM AM I CORRECT?
11:51:24AM >>RON WIGGINTON: YES, SIR, IF I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND YOUR
11:51:26AM QUESTION CORRECTLY.
11:51:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M CONFUSED TO THE POINT OF WHAT I
11:51:31AM HEARD.
11:51:32AM NOT WHAT I THINK.
11:51:33AM IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
11:51:35AM WE'RE CLOSING AN ALLEY AND EVERYBODY IS -- SOME PEOPLE ARE
11:51:39AM OBJECTING TO IT, BUT IT'S ALREADY CLOSED.
11:51:42AM NOT LEGALLY.
11:51:43AM THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE.
11:51:46AM >> YES, SIR, I AGREE.
11:51:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:51:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE MORE QUESTION BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING.
11:51:51AM APOLOGIES TO THE PETITIONER.
11:51:53AM I'M CERTAIN WE'LL GIVE EXTRA TIME FOR THIS.
11:51:56AM THE PETITIONER TESTIFIED AND HANDED OUT A DOCUMENT REGARDING
11:52:08AM A TITLE INSURANCE SURVEY.
11:52:10AM SORRY IF I PARAPHRASE, IT SAID ESSENTIALLY THAT THE PRIOR
11:52:13AM OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY HAD ABANDONED THE ALLEY.
11:52:17AM HAS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REVIEWED THOSE DOCUMENTS TO MAKE
11:52:20AM ANY JUDGMENT AS TO WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT?
11:52:23AM >>RON WIGGINTON: AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE CITY'S POSITION TO
11:52:26AM RESOLVE PROPERTY BOUNDARY DISPUTES.
11:52:28AM BUT I HAVE REVIEWED THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
11:52:31AM THIS WHOLE THING WAS A PART OF CB SHAW'S SUBDIVISION
11:52:35AM ORIGINALLY.
11:52:36AM AND THEN IN 1981, NOT 1987, I THOUGHT IT WAS 1981, THAT'S
11:52:41AM WHEN CHICAGO AVENUE TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION WAS CARVED OUT OF
11:52:45AM CB SHAW'S.
11:52:46AM AND THEN THEIR BOUNDARY LINES OF THAT SUBDIVISION, IT DOES
11:52:49AM NOT INCLUDE THE ALLEYWAY.
11:52:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: FROM THE CITY'S POINT OF VIEW, IF YOU ALL
11:52:57AM THOUGHT, IF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THOUGHT THAT THE ALLEY WAS
11:53:00AM ALREADY ABANDONED, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH
11:53:03AM THE WHOLE PROCESS.
11:53:04AM >>RON WIGGINTON: THE ALLEY HAS NEVER BEEN ABANDONED.
11:53:08AM STILL THERE ON PAPER.
11:53:09AM BASED ON 1907 PLAT OF CB SHAW'S.
11:53:12AM TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I NEVER HEARD ANY INFORMATION THAT IT WAS
11:53:16AM EVER OPEN TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
11:53:18AM I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC TO USE
11:53:20AM THE ALLEYWAY.
11:53:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE CITY'S POINT OF VIEW, THE CITY STILL HAS
11:53:23AM THE --
11:53:25AM >>RON WIGGINTON: ON PAPER BASED ON 1907 PLAT.
11:53:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE
11:53:30AM PROCESS.
11:53:31AM >>RON WIGGINTON: AGAIN, THE REASON WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE
11:53:33AM PROCESS, THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLIED WITH THE CODE IN THE
11:53:36AM SENSE THAT THEY FILED THE NECESSARY PAPER WORK AND
11:53:38AM DOCUMENTATION.
11:53:39AM IT IS NOT THE CITY'S POSITION TO EITHER ADVOCATE OR --
11:53:42AM EITHER SIDE.
11:53:43AM WE SIMPLY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PRESENT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL
11:53:46AM AND THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE DECISION.
11:53:47AM I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU IN A DIFFICULT POSITION.
11:53:51AM I THINK ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT THIS IS
11:53:52AM A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION, AND THE OUTCOME IS REALLY
11:53:55AM UNCERTAIN.
11:53:57AM WHETHER THE VACATING IS APPROVED OR NOT, THE PROBLEM IS
11:54:02AM STILL GOING TO BE THERE.
11:54:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:54:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MICHELINI, DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE
11:54:14AM ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY PROFFERED?
11:54:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
11:54:17AM I STILL HAVE A QUESTION.
11:54:19AM MR. WIGGINTON, AND I'M NOT -- IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO
11:54:26AM SPLIT HAIRS.
11:54:27AM I'M TRYING TO DEFINE THE ACCESS TO THE ALLEYWAY BECAUSE
11:54:33AM THERE IS A WALL THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND SHOWN ON PAPER.
11:54:38AM THE DEFINITION OF ACCESS TO THAT ALLEYWAY, DOES THAT INCLUDE
11:54:43AM VEHICLES ENTERING ONTO PROPERTIES?
11:54:45AM IF SO, IS THAT WALL GOING TO HAVE TO BE CUT FOR AN APRON,
11:54:51AM SOME FORM OF APRON TO BE PUT THERE SO THAT VEHICLES CAN
11:54:54AM ENTER ONTO THE PROPERTY?
11:54:57AM >>RON WIGGINTON: I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
11:55:00AM AGAIN, WE ARE BASING THIS ALL ON A 1907 PLAT WHICH HAS AN
11:55:04AM ALLEYWAY.
11:55:05AM WE PRESUME IT IS FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY PURPOSES.
11:55:07AM THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE PROVIDES FOR, THAT IT IS FOR
11:55:09AM RIGHT-OF-WAY PURPOSES.
11:55:10AM SO AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO HAVE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN THERE,
11:55:14AM CERTAINLY MOBILITY I BELIEVE IS ON THE LINE, AND THEY CAN
11:55:16AM OPINE AS TO WHETHER THAT IS EVEN FEASIBLE OR NOT.
11:55:19AM AS FAR AS THE APRON IS CONCERNED, YES, THEY WILL HAVE TO
11:55:22AM CARVE OUT 12-FOOT SWATH.
11:55:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MORE THAN LIKELY SOMEWHERE IN THAT WALL FOR
11:55:27AM --
11:55:28AM >>RON WIGGINTON: EACH SIDE.
11:55:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: -- EACH TOWNHOME, WILL HAVE TO BE, BUT THAT
11:55:31AM WALL, FROM THE TESTIMONY I HEARD EARLIER, WAS FOR WATER
11:55:35AM RUNOFF.
11:55:35AM SO MY QUESTION IS THAT SOMEONE, MAYBE EVERYONE, IS GOING TO
11:55:42AM BE FINANCIALLY BOUND BY THE DECISIONS THIS COUNCIL MAKES.
11:55:49AM >>RON WIGGINTON: AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY DECISION ON
11:55:52AM THE VACATING MATTER IS GOING TO IMPACT THE PROBLEM.
11:55:55AM AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A JUSTIFICATION
11:55:59AM FOR --
11:55:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MONETARY ISSUES ARE NOT BASIS FOR THIS
11:56:03AM COUNCIL.
11:56:03AM BUT I JUST MADE THAT STATEMENT.
11:56:05AM EITHER WAY THIS COUNCIL GOES, SOME RESIDENTS ONE WAY OR THE
11:56:10AM OTHER ARE GOING TO BE FACING SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE
11:56:13AM WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
11:56:14AM ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
11:56:17AM NOW MR. SHELBY.
11:56:20AM MR. VIK BHIDE, YOU WANTED TO MAKE STATEMENTS.
11:56:27AM MR. BHIDE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT-HAND FOR ME, PLEASE.
11:56:30AM >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT
11:56:33AM YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
11:56:35AM TRUTH?
11:56:35AM >>VIK BHIDE: YES.
11:56:36AM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
11:56:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. BHIDE.
11:56:41AM >> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL, CHAIR.
11:56:42AM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
11:56:44AM I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE STATEMENT RELATIVE TO ACCESS, AND
11:56:48AM IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THE SURVEY, I CAN ADDRESS
11:56:52AM THOSE AS WELL BECAUSE THE CITY SURVEYOR FALLS UNDER THE
11:56:57AM PURVIEW OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
11:56:59AM YOU HEARD FOR DECADES THIS ALLEY HAS NOT BEEN UTILIZED FOR
11:57:04AM VEHICULAR ACCESS.
11:57:05AM AND TO THAT END, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE ANY KIND OF ACCESS
11:57:09AM THROUGH HERE, ENCROACHMENTS NOTWITHSTANDING, THERE'S A LOT
11:57:13AM OF VEGETATION AND SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE
11:57:18AM MADE BY THE CITY TO CREATE THAT ACCESS.
11:57:22AM RELATIVE TO THOSE NEEDS ARE INVESTMENTS AND WHEN COMPARED TO
11:57:27AM THE CITY'S PRIORITIES RELATIVE TO OUR CURRENT RESOURCES,
11:57:30AM THAT WOULD NOT RISE UP TO THE LEVEL OF PRIORITY BASED ON THE
11:57:35AM CURRENT NETWORK IN THE AREA.
11:57:39AM I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT RELATIVE TO VEHICLE ACCESS.
11:57:43AM WE ALSO HAVE LOOKED AT A HISTORY OF CONCERNS AND NOT FOUND
11:57:48AM ANY MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THE STORMWATER PORTION BECAUSE THERE
11:57:53AM IS A STORMWATER EASEMENT THROUGH THIS ALLEY CURRENTLY, AND
11:57:57AM THAT IS WHY WE DETERMINED THAT A STORMWATER EASEMENT IS NOT
11:58:02AM REQUIRED THROUGH THIS SHOULD THIS BE VACATED.
11:58:05AM AND THEN AS FAR AS OUR SURVEYOR WAS CONCERNED, HE DID
11:58:09AM CONDUCT A SURVEY IN THE AREA AND PRODUCED THE RESULTS THAT
11:58:12AM ARE PART OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PRESENTED.
11:58:17AM I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:58:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:58:20AM THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
11:58:25AM HOW ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF FOR ANY TYPE OF REBUTTAL FROM
11:58:28AM EVERYTHING WE JUST DISCUSSED?
11:58:30AM >> I'VE ALREADY SAID IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION.
11:58:35AM WHETHER YOU VACATE IT OR DON'T VACATE IT, IT STILL DOESN'T
11:58:38AM GIVE THE CHICAGO TOWNHOMES ACCESS.
11:58:41AM IT JUST DOESN'T.
11:58:42AM IT WAS ABANDONED WHEN THEY REPLATTED THAT NORTH SECTION.
11:58:45AM I UNDERSTAND THEIR FRUSTRATION.
11:58:48AM THEY HAVE A WALL AND A FENCE THERE ALREADY.
11:58:51AM THEY HAVE SELF-IMPOSED THEIR OWN RESTRICTION.
11:58:55AM THE DESIGN OF THOSE TOWNHOMES WAS NOT UP TO ANYBODY ON THIS,
11:59:00AM IT WAS UP TO THE DEVELOPER.
11:59:02AM I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PROVIDE THE RELIEF.
11:59:06AM THIS PARTICULAR PETITIONER IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THAT HAS
11:59:09AM ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE ALLEY.
11:59:12AM THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE THE ENCROACHMENTS, WE'RE
11:59:17AM SHIFTING THE RESPONSIBILITY BACK ONTO SOMEONE ELSE.
11:59:21AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO WITH THIS, EXCEPT WE THINK IT'S AN
11:59:25AM APPROPRIATE REQUEST.
11:59:26AM THE ALLEY SHOULD STAND ON ITS OWN.
11:59:29AM THE OTHER ISSUES WILL BE SORTED OUT ACCORDINGLY, WHETHER IT
11:59:32AM GOES TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF CODE
11:59:37AM ENFORCEMENT IS, IF YOU'RE CITED, YOU'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY
11:59:42AM TO PROVIDE A CURE.
11:59:43AM HOW DO YOU CURE THE ENCROACHMENTS?
11:59:46AM THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS THROUGH A VACATING.
11:59:49AM THE PETITION WAS TIMELY FILED TO DO THAT.
11:59:52AM SO IT WASN'T AS IF THE CITY IGNORED ANY OF THOSE COMPLAINTS.
11:59:58AM THE RESPONSIBILITY SHIFTED BACK TO THE PETITIONER AND THE
12:00:01PM RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THEY
12:00:04PM WERE TRYING TO CURE THAT ISSUE.
12:00:08PM THE STAFF HAS TOLD YOU THAT THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS
12:00:11PM VACATING.
12:00:13PM NONE OF THE UTILITIES THAT WERE SURVEYED IN THIS, AND THERE
12:00:17PM ARE 14 DIFFERENT SURVEY CHECKPOINTS WITH WATER AND
12:00:22PM TRANSPORTATION AND TECO AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY HAD NO
12:00:25PM OBJECTIONS.
12:00:27PM SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS VACATING SO
12:00:30PM AT LEAST WE CAN GET ONE PORTION OF THIS COMPLICATED ISSUE
12:00:34PM RESOLVED.
12:00:35PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
12:00:39PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:00:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU CLOSE, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING
12:00:44PM FOR THE RECORD.
12:00:44PM COUNCIL, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY FOR THE
12:00:57PM RECORD.
12:00:58PM WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN APPLICATION TO VACATE AN
12:01:02PM ALLEY, AND THAT IS THE TASK YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
12:01:07PM YOU HEARD A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE AND ARGUMENT.
12:01:10PM YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT CONTINUED FOR THE
12:01:12PM BENEFIT OF HAVING STAFF BROUGHT IN FOR ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY
12:01:15PM AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
12:01:17PM TO REMIND YOU AGAIN, COUNCIL, AND TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON
12:01:21PM THE TASK IN FRONT OF YOU, I'M GOING TO CITE BACK TO THE
12:01:27PM CRITERIA THAT MR. WIGGINTON HAD REFERENCED THROUGHOUT THIS
12:01:31PM HEARING.
12:01:33PM FROM A MEMO SPECIFICALLY FROM JULIA COLE, JULIA MANDELL,
12:01:37PM SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY BACK THEN ON APRIL OF 2011
12:01:41PM THAT LISTS THE CRITERIA.
12:01:42PM AND THEY ARE IN THE MEMO, ITEMS 1 THROUGH 4, AND THOSE WERE
12:01:47PM REFERENCED AGAIN BY MR. WIGGINTON.
12:01:50PM I ASK THAT IF YOU DO MAKE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, THAT
12:01:53PM YOU DO MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT, AND ON THAT BASIS, YOU APPLY
12:01:57PM THE FACTS AS YOU FIND THEM TO THE CRITERIA THAT'S IN FRONT
12:02:00PM OF YOU, UPON WHICH YOU MUST BASE YOUR DECISION IN ORDER TO
12:02:04PM BE LEGALLY SUSTAINABLE.
12:02:05PM I ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY
12:02:11PM COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO WHAT YOUR MOTION IS, A DISCUSSION
12:02:15PM AMONGST YOURSELVES WITH REGARD TO FINDINGS WOULD BE HELPFUL
12:02:19PM FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD.
12:02:24PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:02:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
12:02:28PM MANISCALCO.
12:02:28PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:02:31PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:02:33PM >> AYE.
12:02:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:02:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, IT WAS MY TURN, SO I'M NOT GOING TO
12:02:46PM PUT THE PRESSURE ON THE COUNCIL.
12:02:49PM I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU SAID THAT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO
12:02:52PM SAY WHAT I SEE HERE, WHAT I'VE SEEN, AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM
12:02:56PM THERE AND DISCUSS IT.
12:02:57PM MR. CHAIRMAN, ITEM 71, FILE VAC 22-41, THIS IS A CONTINUED
12:03:07PM PUBLIC HEARING FROM OCTOBER 20, 2022, AND I'M GOING TO MOVE
12:03:10PM IT FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AND THEN I'LL STATE WHY.
12:03:14PM MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING, AN ORDINANCE
12:03:18PM OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING,
12:03:20PM DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY NORTH OF STROUD
12:03:23PM AVENUE, SOUTH OF CHICAGO AVENUE, EAST OF CAROLINA AVENUE,
12:03:26PM WEST OF MOODY AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT OF CB SHAW'S
12:03:30PM SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
12:03:32PM FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, HEREOF,
12:03:37PM SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS
12:03:40PM MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR
12:03:43PM ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS; PROVIDING FOR
12:03:45PM DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING CONFLICTS;
12:03:49PM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:03:52PM AS I READ THROUGH THESE THINGS, I SAW SOME OF THE THINGS
12:03:55PM THAT SAID, WELL, IT IS THE CITY'S PROBLEM.
12:03:59PM MAYBE IT IS.
12:04:00PM BUT THE TIME THAT THE CITY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE AT ALL OF WHAT
12:04:04PM WAS GOING ON UNTIL THIS PETITION HIT HERE.
12:04:08PM THEN SOME NEIGHBORS COMPLAINED AND RIGHTLY SO.
12:04:12PM THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
12:04:14PM HOWEVER, IN THEIR COMPLAINT IT WAS BROUGHT OUT THEN THAT THE
12:04:16PM ALLEY WAS ILLEGALLY CLOSED WITHOUT BEING LEGALLY CLOSED, AND
12:04:21PM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
12:04:25PM YEARS.
12:04:25PM THEN COMES THE OTHER EVIDENCE THAT I WANT TO HAVE MY CAR BE
12:04:28PM ABLE TO GO TO THE BACK.
12:04:31PM WELL, THAT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP PRIOR TO TODAY.
12:04:34PM TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
12:04:36PM AND I HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THAT.
12:04:39PM BUT THEN I REALIZED HOW CAN YOU GET IN AND OUT OF YOUR ALLEY
12:04:43PM IF PART OF IT IS CLOSED.
12:04:45PM YOU CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY.
12:04:47PM THAT WAY IS BLOCKED, HOW DO YOU GET OUT?
12:04:49PM THERE IS A LOT MORE THAT MEETS THE EYE ON WHAT WE SPOKE
12:04:53PM ABOUT TODAY.
12:04:54PM THE CITY HAS DONE SOME WORK ON IT.
12:04:56PM CODE ENFORCEMENT CAME BACK AND PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THE
12:04:59PM ALLEY IS NOT RIGHT NOW USABLE FOR AUTO TRAFFIC AND MAYBE NOT
12:05:05PM EVEN USABLE FOR FOOT TRAFFIC.
12:05:08PM MAYBE I'M WRONG IN THE FOOT TRAFFIC PART, BUT I DON'T KNOW
12:05:10PM IF I AM.
12:05:12PM WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
12:05:14PM YOU HAVE VARIOUS CHOICES, ONE, TO REMOVE IT AND CLOSE IT.
12:05:21PM ONE TO LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, AND THAT DOESN'T SATISFY TOO
12:05:25PM MANY BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE A CONFLICT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:05:27PM YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE THAT HAVE VIOLATED KNOWINGLY OR NOT
12:05:31PM KNOWINGLY, MAYBE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WITH THAT ALREADY THERE
12:05:35PM AND I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT OR WE DON'T HAVE NO
12:05:38PM KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.
12:05:39PM SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR?
12:05:41PM I CAN ONLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT I HEARD TODAY IN THIS
12:05:45PM CHAMBER.
12:05:45PM AND THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS
12:05:50PM EVIDENCE TO CLOSE IT -- I MEAN, TO LEAVE IT OPEN, THERE WAS
12:05:54PM EVIDENCE TO LEAVE IT OPEN AND RIGHTLY STATED, THE EVIDENCE
12:05:57PM THEN TO CLOSE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY CLOSED.
12:06:00PM WHAT AM I DOING?
12:06:02PM NOT SOMETHING NEW.
12:06:03PM ALREADY CLOSED.
12:06:04PM YOU CANNOT DRIVE THROUGH THE ALLEY.
12:06:06PM YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO, FOR WHATEVER REASON, HAVE TAKEN OVER
12:06:09PM THE PROPERTY, KNOWINGLY OR NOT KNOWINGLY, BUT AGAINST CITY
12:06:14PM LAW.
12:06:14PM HOW LONG IS THIS GOING TO TAKE?
12:06:15PM IT MAY TAKE YEARS.
12:06:19PM WHEN YOU GO TO COURT, FIRST, YOU GOT TO GO TO THE
12:06:22PM MAGISTRATE.
12:06:23PM THE MAGISTRATE IS GOING TO ISSUE HER OR HIS OPINION AND
12:06:27PM LINGER ON FOR SOME TIME.
12:06:29PM YOU APPEAL AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE HEARD.
12:06:32PM NOT TRYING TO FORM EXCUSES AT ALL.
12:06:34PM IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A HARDSHIP BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS RIGHT
12:06:38PM NOW.
12:06:38PM HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE NEXT TO SOMEONE AND THAT SOMEONE
12:06:42PM IS TELLING YOU YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE YOUR BUILDING THAT YOU
12:06:44PM HAVE IN THE ALLEY.
12:06:46PM ARE THEY GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT NEIGHBOR?
12:06:48PM EMBRACE THAT NEIGHBOR AND SAY WHAT A NICE NEIGHBOR YOU ARE,
12:06:52PM LOVE YOU?
12:06:53PM YOU REALLY THINK THAT?
12:06:54PM I DOUBT IT.
12:06:55PM HUMAN NATURE IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT NEIGHBOR
12:07:01PM FOR A LONG TIME, MAYBE NEVER.
12:07:03PM THERE'S NOT MORE THAN ONE NEIGHBOR.
12:07:04PM THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT
12:07:07PM HAPPEN.
12:07:07PM SO THAT'S WHY I MOVED IT.
12:07:10PM TO ME, THE ALLEY IS ILLEGALLY CLOSED AND IT HASN'T BEEN
12:07:15PM USED.
12:07:15PM IT HASN'T BEEN USED TO PARK CARS IN THE BACK.
12:07:18PM THAT ONLY CAME ABOUT WHEN THIS PETITION CAME UP, THAT THEY
12:07:22PM SAY THEY WANT TO USE THE ALLEY.
12:07:24PM HOW COME THEY WEREN'T USING THE ALLEY BEFORE?
12:07:26PM MAYBE I'M WRONG.
12:07:28PM THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
12:07:29PM THE ALLEY IS THERE.
12:07:32PM THEY DIDN'T OPEN THE GATE AND MOVE THE CAR IN THE BACK.
12:07:34PM THEY DIDN'T DO THAT, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW ONE SIDE IS
12:07:37PM CLOSED.
12:07:37PM COME IN, BACK OUT, I GUESS, IF YOU WANT.
12:07:39PM SO THAT'S THE REASON I MOVED THIS PETITION BECAUSE IT MAKES
12:07:44PM SENSE OF WHAT I'M SAYING.
12:07:46PM IT MAY BE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE RIGHT MOVE.
12:07:51PM I'M NOT ASKING ANYONE TO VOTE FOR IT OR VOTE AGAINST IT.
12:07:55PM YOUR OPINION JUST LIKE MINE IS.
12:07:58PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:08:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:08:03PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:08:06PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:08:07PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:08:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M GOING TO VOTE NO AND JUST TO STATE THE
12:08:12PM REASONS WHY.
12:08:15PM I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S ILLEGALLY CLOSED IS IRRELEVANT
12:08:18PM BECAUSE THE CITY STAFF TESTIFIED THAT THERE'S STILL AN
12:08:24PM EXISTING EASEMENT.
12:08:25PM JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IN THE PAST ILLEGALLY CLOSED IT
12:08:29PM DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO CURRENT OWNERS WHO
12:08:34PM BOUGHT WITH THE EXPECTATION BASED ON THE PLAT THAT IT'S
12:08:37PM OPEN.
12:08:40PM AND I DON'T THINK IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE GENERAL
12:08:43PM WELFARE AND ALSO IT WILL LIMIT ACCESS TO THE ABUTTING
12:08:47PM PROPERTY OWNERS IN ADDITION TO OTHER THINGS.
12:08:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:08:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I FIND MULTIPLE THINGS WRONG.
12:08:58PM I DIDN'T SEE A PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE.
12:09:01PM THE ALLEY IS DEEMED AN OPEN ALLEY.
12:09:08PM YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES HOWEVER TO DO
12:09:11PM WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, AND THAT HAPPENS IN COMMUNITIES.
12:09:13PM THERE WERE STATEMENTS ABOUT FOLKS CAN'T GET INTO THEIR
12:09:18PM BACKYARD.
12:09:20PM I SAW PHOTOS OF CONSTRUCTION WORK IN THEIR FRONT YARD.
12:09:23PM LOOKED AT THE PHOTOS.
12:09:25PM I CAN'T SUPPORT THE FACT THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE
12:09:33PM TRYING TO PUT THE BURDEN ON THIS COUNCIL, AND WE HAVE SOME
12:09:37PM RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I THINK SOME OTHER BALLS WERE DROPPED.
12:09:40PM I TRULY BELIEVE THAT.
12:09:43PM I WISH SOMEHOW WE COULD GO BACK TO THE NEIGHBORS TO WHERE
12:09:46PM THEY COULD FIGURE THIS OUT THEMSELVES OR WE SEE HOW WE CAN
12:09:49PM HELP THEM TO REMEDIATE THIS PROCESS.
12:09:53PM I THINK THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO OCCUR HERE, THAT THE NEIGHBORS
12:09:57PM NEED TO REMEDIATE THIS PROCESS.
12:09:59PM BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE, WE'LL
12:10:02PM PROBABLY GET SUED NO MATTER WHICH WAY WE GO BECAUSE YOU'LL
12:10:05PM HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS UPSET.
12:10:07PM YOU'LL HAVE THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE OPPOSING IT.
12:10:09PM FOR ME, I DON'T SEE ALL OF THE EVIDENCE.
12:10:12PM I SEE MISTAKES MADE IN THE PROCESS EVEN THOUGH IT IS A
12:10:15PM UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT WE CAN'T LOOK AND SAY -- I THINK
12:10:19PM WHEN THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE EXTRA
12:10:22PM STEPS TO HELP OUR CITIZENS.
12:10:23PM THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK FOR US TO DO AS A MUNICIPALITY, TO
12:10:27PM HELP THEM WITH SOME OF THE SITUATIONS.
12:10:29PM WE CAN'T HELP ALL THE TIME, BUT I THINK IN THIS SITUATION
12:10:31PM THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
12:10:34PM I CANNOT SUPPORT MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION.
12:10:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
12:10:39PM MR. SHELBY.
12:10:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:10:44PM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
12:10:46PM THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT PREPONDERANCE OF THE
12:10:50PM EVIDENCE.
12:10:51PM JUST FOR PURPOSES OF COUNCIL'S DECISION-MAKING, YOUR
12:10:56PM DECISION IS NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON PREPONDERANCE OF THE
12:10:59PM EVIDENCE OR BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, THAT KIND OF GUIDANCE
12:11:08PM THAT ACTUALLY THE COURTS ASK FOR COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
12:11:11PM EVIDENCE CONTAINED WITHIN THE RECORD TO SUPPORT YOUR
12:11:13PM DECISION.
12:11:14PM WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK OF COUNCIL IS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE
12:11:18PM RECORD, I'D ASK THAT YOU ACTUALLY MAKE REFERENCE TO AT LEAST
12:11:22PM THE CRITERIA TO BE ABLE TO BASE YOUR DECISION AND RELY ON
12:11:29PM THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ASCERTAINED RELATES TO THAT SORT OF
12:11:34PM CRITERIA, THAT'S APPLYING THE CODE AND THEN SEEING WHERE THE
12:11:38PM DECISION IS.
12:11:39PM IF THIS CASE IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGED, IT'S GOING TO BE
12:11:42PM CHALLENGED ON THE BASIS OF COUNCIL'S DECISION AND ITS
12:11:46PM CRITERIA UPON WHICH IT BASES ITS DECISION.
12:11:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE WE GO THERE, WHOEVER WANTS TO ADD TO
12:11:51PM THAT MOTION, I'M LOOKING AT THE FOUR CRITERIA MYSELF.
12:11:56PM THE FIRST ONE IS BASED ON REPORTS AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT
12:11:59PM THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS IT IN THE INTEREST OF THE GENERAL
12:12:03PM WELFARE TO VACATE THE SUBJECT STREET OR ALLEY, I.E., WILL IT
12:12:08PM ALLEVIATE OR RELIEVE THE PUBLIC FROM THE COST OF MAINTAINING
12:12:12PM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH IS NO LONGER USEFUL OR USED BY ONLY A
12:12:17PM FEW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
12:12:18PM WE HAVEN'T MAINTAINED THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY IN 30 YEARS.
12:12:26PM WILL IT ALLEVIATE PUBLIC NUISANCE SUCH AS DUMPING OR CURTAIL
12:12:31PM CRIMINAL ACTIVITY?
12:12:32PM WILL IT FOSTER REDEVELOPMENT BY ABUTTING PROPERTIES?
12:12:39PM NUMBER TWO, WILL AN ABUTTING OWNER ACCESS -- AND I TRIED TO
12:12:45PM GET SOMEONE TO DEFINE ACCESS, WHICH IS JUST DRIVING A MOTOR
12:12:49PM VEHICLE DOWN THERE OR ACTUALLY ENTERING THE PROPERTY.
12:12:53PM NUMBER THREE, CAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST BE SERVED BY
12:13:01PM APPROVING THE VACATING PETITION SUBJECT TO SPECIAL
12:13:04PM CONDITIONS BEING IMPOSED, I.E., EASEMENTS?
12:13:07PM NUMBER FOUR, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY IN THIS.
12:13:13PM IF THE VACATING OF THE ALLEYWAY IS THE ENTIRE VACATING,
12:13:17PM WHICH IT IS, IF NOT, THEN PROPER TURNAROUND OR CUL-DE-SAC
12:13:21PM MUST BE PROVIDED.
12:13:22PM I'M LOOKING AT THE FOUR CRITERIA HERE, AND I AM GOING TO GO
12:13:30PM WITH TWO OF THEM IN MY VOTE.
12:13:33PM I THINK THAT MR. SHELBY HAS ASKED FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE
12:13:38PM DEFINITION IN THE MOTION, IS THAT CORRECT?
12:13:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN A COURT REVIEWS THIS, IT WILL SEE THE
12:13:44PM DECISIONS UPON WHICH COUNCIL BASES IT AND SEE IF IT APPLIES
12:13:47PM THE CRITERIA AND IF THE ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS OF LAW HAVE
12:13:50PM BEEN FOLLOWED.
12:13:52PM IT'S COUNCIL, HOW IT WISHES TO PROCEED.
12:13:54PM YOU'VE BEEN ADVISED ABOUT HOW YOU MUST BASE YOUR DECISION,
12:13:58PM UPON WHICH YOU MUST BASE YOUR DECISION IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE
12:14:02PM LEGALLY SUSTAINABLE.
12:14:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I JUST READ REASONS WHY I AM GOING TO DO
12:14:07PM MINE.
12:14:07PM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO --
12:14:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, MIRANDA.
12:14:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
12:14:13PM MANISCALCO.
12:14:13PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:14:15PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
12:14:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:14:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:14:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
12:14:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
12:14:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:14:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:14:27PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND GUDES
12:14:29PM VOTING NO AND HURTAK BEING ABSENT.
12:14:31PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 15,
12:14:36PM 2022, AT 9:30 A.M.
12:14:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
12:14:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, AGAIN THAT DATE IS --
12:14:42PM >>THE CLERK: DECEMBER 15 AT 9:30 A.M.
12:14:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO REMIND COUNCIL THIS IS COMING BACK FOR A
12:14:48PM SECOND READING AND A PUBLIC HEARING.
12:14:50PM I'M GOING TO CAUTION COUNCIL TO AVOID ANY EX PARTE
12:14:53PM COMMUNICATIONS AND DISCUSS THIS PUBLICLY.
12:14:55PM ALSO, IF YOU DO GET ANY ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE
12:14:58PM SENT TO YOU EX PARTE THAT YOU PUT THEM IN THE QUASI-BOX.
12:15:02PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
12:15:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:15:03PM WE ARE RECESSED UNTIL 1:30.
12:15:05PM >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
12:15:06PM [LUNCH RECESS]
1:34:13PM (ROLL CALL)
1:34:15PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:34:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:34:29PM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE OF ONE THING.
1:34:32PM WE ARE GOING TO GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 69 FIRST.
1:34:36PM THAT WAS BEING CONTINUED UNTIL THIS TIME.
1:34:39PM IF THERE IS ANYONE THAT IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY EVIDENCE
1:34:44PM TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 69, FILE NUMBER AB 2-22-19, WOULD YOU
1:34:50PM PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN?
1:34:55PM (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
1:34:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:35:04PM OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO NOW TAKE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 69, FILE
1:35:08PM AB 2-22-19.
1:35:15PM AND STAFF IS HERE.
1:35:18PM MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
1:35:19PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, SENIOR
1:35:24PM ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
1:35:25PM ITEM NUMBER 69, I BELIEVE, AND MS. MANDELL CAN CONFIRM ALL
1:35:29PM OF THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE REMOVING
1:35:31PM THEIR REQUEST FOR OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION FROM THIS REQUEST
1:35:35PM IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT STATE LAW DOESN'T REQUIRE
1:35:38PM OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION IN ORDER TO DO THE ALCOHOL TO GO.
1:35:41PM AND IN LIGHT OF RESPONSE TO COUNCIL'S COMMENTS.
1:35:46PM SO RATHER THAN SECOND READING AND ADOPTION THIS AFTERNOON,
1:35:52PM WE ARE GOING DO GO BACK TO FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
1:35:54PM WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION FROM THE
1:35:57PM TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE, AND WE'LL HAVE FIRST READING OF THE
1:36:01PM REVISED ORDINANCE AT THIS TIME.
1:36:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
1:36:06PM LET'S GO TO MS. BARNES.
1:36:12PM MS. BARNES?
1:36:17PM YOU ARE MUTED.
1:36:17PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
1:36:22PM CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
1:36:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
1:36:24PM >>ANNIE BARNES: OKAY, SORRY.
1:36:26PM SO I JUST HEARD WHAT MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ STATED.
1:36:31PM IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST
1:36:33PM READING OR IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING?
1:36:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST READING.
1:36:38PM >>ANNIE BARNES: GOT IT.
1:36:40PM OKAY.
1:36:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
1:36:47PM DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION ON THE
1:36:49PM FIRST READING? BECAUSE WE ARE REALLY JUST MAKING AN
1:36:51PM ADJUSTMENT THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT IT WAS THE FIRST TIME
1:36:53PM AROUND.
1:36:54PM DOES THAT MEAN YOU CAN JUST SEND IT BACK TO FIRST READING OR
1:36:57PM DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER FIRST READING PUBLIC HEARING?
1:37:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I THINK THIS CAN BE DONE -- WELL, WE
1:37:07PM ALREADY HAD THE PRESENTATION.
1:37:08PM THEY ARE JUST REDUCING THE REQUEST.
1:37:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: RIGHT.
1:37:11PM SO WHAT SORT OF PRESENTATION, IS IT GOING DO A PRESENTATION
1:37:14PM OR JUST GOING BACK TO FIRST READING?
1:37:16PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: JUST GOING BACK TO FIRST READING.
1:37:18PM THE ONLY THING BEING REMOVED IS TO LESSEN THE REQUEST, SO --
1:37:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MADAM CLERK, WHAT DO --
1:37:32PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WE'LL HAVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE AT
1:37:35PM SECOND READING.
1:37:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
1:37:38PM FOR YOUR PURPOSES?
1:37:39PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
1:37:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU ON MIKE?
1:37:49PM >>THE CLERK: FOR THE COUNCILMEMBER TO MAKES THE MOTION AND
1:37:52PM I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE TITLE REFLECTS.
1:37:59PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: OKAY.
1:38:00PM THANK YOU.
1:38:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. BARNES, WOULD YOU PLEASE --
1:38:10PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
1:38:11PM ITEM 69 IS AB2-22-19 BEING PRESENTED NOW FOR FIRST READING
1:38:15PM FOR SPECIAL USE 2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES FOR LARGE
1:38:18PM VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
1:38:24PM LOCATED AT 450 CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
1:38:27PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF AT CITY HALL EARLIER THIS WEEK.
1:38:31PM THERE WILL NEED TO BE A MODIFICATION TO ANY MENTION OF
1:38:37PM OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN BETWEEN
1:38:41PM THIS FIRST READING AND SECOND READING.
1:38:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF?
1:38:47PM MS. MANDELL?
1:38:48PM >>JULIA MANDELL: FOR THE RECORD, JULIA MANDELL, GRAY
1:38:51PM ROBINSON, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
1:38:55PM AS YOU HAVE HEARD MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ AND MS. BARNES INDICATE,
1:38:59PM WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THIS ITEM BE TAKEN BACK TO FIRST
1:39:02PM READING SO THAT WE CAN REMOVE THE OFF-PREMISES PACKAGE
1:39:05PM SALES.
1:39:06PM AS I SAID EARLIER, AND WAS DISCUSSED AT THE FIRST READING,
1:39:10PM IT IS NOT THE DESIRE TO DO ANY OFF-SITE PACKAGE, THAT WAS TO
1:39:17PM GO ORDERS OF ALCOHOL AS PART OF THE RESTAURANT LICENSE THAT
1:39:21PM THEY HAVE WITH THE STATE.
1:39:22PM I WOULD SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT ALL THE TESTIMONY AND
1:39:25PM EVIDENCE THAT WAS PUT INTO THE RECORD AT THE PREVIOUS FIRST
1:39:28PM READING HEARING BE PLACED INTO THIS RECORD AS WELL, AND WE
1:39:32PM WOULD JUST SEEK YOUR APPROVAL WITH THIS CHANGE, AND I AM
1:39:35PM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
1:39:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
1:39:42PM WILL REVISIONS BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING?
1:39:46PM >>JULIA MANDELL: I APOLOGIZE, YES, WE WILL MAKE ALL
1:39:49PM NECESSARY REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN AS INDICATED BETWEEN
1:39:51PM FIRST AND SECOND READING.
1:39:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:39:54PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
1:39:57PM ITEM NUMBER 69?
1:40:01PM SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
1:40:18PM MR. COOKE, ARE YOU THERE?
1:40:22PM CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN, PLEASE?
1:40:24PM (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
1:40:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ARE MUTED.
1:40:33PM >>THE CLERK: UNMUTE YOURSELF.
1:40:36PM >> I DO.
1:40:48PM I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
1:40:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
1:40:54PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:40:55PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:40:57PM COUNCILMAN BE MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THIS?
1:40:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
1:41:00PM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING, AN
1:41:03PM ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC
1:41:08PM BEVERAGE SALES LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND
1:41:12PM MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
1:41:15PM CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT,
1:41:18PM PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 450 CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AS
1:41:23PM MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 PROVIDING THAT ALL
1:41:25PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
1:41:28PM REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2014-91 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
1:41:32PM DATE.
1:41:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SECOND.
1:41:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE REVISIONS BETWEEN FIRST AND
1:41:38PM SECOND READING.
1:41:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:41:42PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:41:44PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
1:41:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
1:41:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
1:41:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
1:41:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
1:41:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
1:41:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
1:41:56PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO AND
1:41:58PM HURTAK BEING ABSENT.
1:42:00PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 15,
1:42:03PM 2022 AT 9:30 A.M.
1:42:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
1:42:14PM CAN SOMEONE --
1:42:16PM >>> MOVE TO OPEN THE 1:30 ITEM, NUMBER 73.
1:42:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NUMBER 72, CAN WE REMOVE THAT?
1:42:25PM >> SO MOVED.
1:42:26PM >> SECOND.
1:42:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: RESCHEDULE?
1:42:30PM >>THE CLERK: JANUARY 5th OR JANUARY 19th.
1:42:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO JANUARY
1:42:37PM 19th.
1:42:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SECOND.
1:42:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LEGAL HERE FOR THIS, I HAVE A QUESTION.
1:42:53PM HOW MANY TIMES -- THANK YOU, MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
1:42:56PM HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS THING BEEN CONTINUED?
1:42:58PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CONTINUE
1:43:04PM REQUESTS FOR THIS ITEM.
1:43:06PM IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS JUST SCHEDULED ON OCTOBER 6th FOR
1:43:10PM TODAY.
1:43:10PM >>THE CLERK: THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND REQUEST.
1:43:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS WILL BE THE SECOND REQUEST FOR A
1:43:16PM RESCHEDULING?
1:43:17PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SO THIS COULD BE THE FINAL REQUEST
1:43:19PM THEN PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION.
1:43:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND HOPEFULLY THE PETITIONER WILL BE
1:43:23PM NOTIFIED?
1:43:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, PETITIONER WILL BE NOTIFIED.
1:43:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO CONTINUE
1:43:29PM THIS CASE -- TO MOVE IT TO JANUARY 19th.
1:43:33PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:43:34PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:43:36PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:43:37PM THANK YOU.
1:43:38PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 73, FILE E-2022-8 CHAPTER 27.
1:43:45PM >>LACHONE DOCK: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
1:43:51PM COUNCIL, ITEM 73 IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
1:43:56PM THERE ARE TWO PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT I
1:43:59PM WILL INTRODUCE TO YOU TODAY.
1:44:01PM ONE, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME IN ALLOWING US TO COME BEFORE
1:44:04PM YOU TO REQUEST THESE.
1:44:08PM SO AS YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, PRIVATELY INITIATED
1:44:11PM TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
1:44:15PM THIS IS THE LAST OF PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENTS ANDS THE
1:44:19PM FIRST ONE I WILL INTRODUCE TO YOU IS THE ONE FOR THE EAST
1:44:22PM TAMPA OVERLAY.
1:44:23PM THIS IS A PART OF THE JANUARY CYCLE.
1:44:28PM THE JANUARY 2022 AMENDMENT CYCLE.
1:44:30PM THE APPLICANT IS EAST TAMPA CRA AND THE EAST TAMPA CAC.
1:44:35PM THE REQUEST IS TO REVISE AND UPDATE THE CURRENT EAST TAMPA
1:44:39PM OVERLAY CODE LANGUAGE.
1:44:40PM SO IT WOULD INCLUDE AMENDING 27-156, ALONG WITH 27-140 WHICH
1:44:47PM IS THE ACTUAL EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARD.
1:44:52PM THIS IS A MAP OF THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT, THAT AREA.
1:44:56PM YOU CAN SEE THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY, BUT IT IS APPROXIMATELY
1:45:00PM IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF EAST HILLSBOROUGH, THE INTERSTATE
1:45:04PM 275 THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, ALONG WITH THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY,
1:45:08PM AND THEN IT GOES OVER TO 56th STREET AND JOGS WITH THE
1:45:12PM CITY LINE ON THE EAST.
1:45:16PM SO THE REQUEST IS TO, ONE, PROVIDE A CLEAN UP FOR THE ITEMS
1:45:21PM LISTED IN SECTION 27-156, WHICH IS OUR USE TABLE.
1:45:26PM WE ARE MOVING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT'S LISTED INTO THE
1:45:29PM CORRECT USE CATEGORY IN THAT TABLE.
1:45:34PM AND THAT IS A CHANGE THAT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
1:45:38PM THE OTHER CHANGE WOULD BE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT
1:45:42PM AS A SPECIAL USE FOR PROPERTIES WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA
1:45:45PM OVERLAY.
1:45:46PM THOSE ARE THE TWO CHANGES TO THAT SECTION OF THE CODE.
1:45:49PM THE REMAINDER OF THE CHANGES ARE JUST 27-240 WHICH IS THE
1:45:53PM EAST TAMPA OVERLAY.
1:45:54PM IT WOULD AMEND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK
1:45:57PM WHICH IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED AS A BLOCK AVERAGE, AND THAT
1:46:00PM WOULD BE AMENDED TO A RANGE OF 15 TO 25 FEET.
1:46:05PM THIS ALSO WOULD REQUIRE CHANGE TO GARAGES IN THE SETBACK FOR
1:46:10PM GARAGES.
1:46:11PM CARPORTS SETBACKS FOR THE CARPORTS, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
1:46:16PM THIS ALSO WOULD INCLUDE A CHANGE REGARDING CHAIN LINK
1:46:19PM FENCES, AND THESE ARE NEW CHAIN LINK FENCES.
1:46:22PM ANY ADJUSTING WOULD BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN.
1:46:25PM BUT THE INSTALLATION OF NEW CHAIN LINK WOULD BE PROHIBITED.
1:46:29PM AND THEN ALSO THE LAST CHANGE PROPOSED IS FOR THE
1:46:32PM RESIDENTIAL SECTION IS TWO-STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
1:46:37PM THEY CAN BE APPROVED IF IT IS THE PRECEDENT OF THE BLOCK.
1:46:43PM NOW, THE NONRESIDENTIAL STANDARDS, SO THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL
1:46:47PM MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
1:46:50PM WE ARE ADDING A CLEAN-UP REGARDING THE SITE PLAN SUBMISSION
1:46:54PM AND WHAT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FOR YOUR REVIEW FOR THE
1:46:57PM OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS THAT WILL BE LIKE ANY OTHER
1:47:01PM LOCATION, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND
1:47:05PM ELEVATION, JUST CLARIFYING THAT IN THE CODE.
1:47:07PM THE FRONT YARD BUILD-TO LINE RANGE, INSTEAD OF AN AVERAGE,
1:47:12PM BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE AVERAGE, THE FRONT YARD APPLIES TO
1:47:15PM BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
1:47:19PM THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING FACADE, THE ORIENTATION OF THAT,
1:47:23PM WOULD BE AMENDED, MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR SIDEWALKS,
1:47:27PM SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, PARKING
1:47:31PM STANDARDS REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE ESTABLISHED THROUGH PARKING
1:47:35PM TRADE-OFFS WHICH IS ALWAYS ENCOURAGED BY STAFF WHENEVER
1:47:39PM THERE IS AN AMENDMENT COMING FORWARD, AND THEN SIGN
1:47:42PM STANDARDS, LASTLY.
1:47:44PM IT'S WHAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO YOU.
1:47:46PM SO THIS REQUEST, AS I MENTIONED THE APPLICANT IS THE EAST
1:47:50PM TAMPA CRA, ALONG WITH THE CAC, SO WE HAVE MR. FREDERICK
1:47:57PM McCLAY WHO IS THE EAST CRA MANAGER WHO IS AVAILABLE IN
1:48:00PM CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, AND WE HAVE KIM HEADLAND HERE.
1:48:06PM SHE'S THE CHAIR OF THE EAST TAMPA LAND USE COMMITTEE.
1:48:08PM SO KIM IS GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU THE LANGUAGE.
1:48:10PM AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
1:48:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:48:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK.
1:48:15PM IN THE FIRST, ONE OF THE FIRST SLIDES, IT WAS THE
1:48:21PM CORRECTIONS, SO RIGHT NOW IN THE OVERLAY, ADUs ARE NOT
1:48:25PM PERMITTED, CORRECT?
1:48:26PM AND THIS WOO CHANGE THAT?
1:48:28PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THIS WOULD CHANGE THAT AND ALLOW IT AS A
1:48:30PM SPECIAL USE FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA
1:48:35PM OVERLAY.
1:48:36PM IT WAS THE DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY, IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND,
1:48:39PM AND WE UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT THAT DISCUSSION IS HAPPENING
1:48:42PM WITH COUNCIL, SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH STAFF WITH, CITY PLANNING,
1:48:47PM ALONG WITH DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, BUT THIS WAS A WISH TO
1:48:52PM INCLUDE IT IN THIS LANGUAGE, AND WHICHEVER IS ADOPTED FIRST
1:48:54PM WOULD APPLY.
1:48:55PM AND.
1:48:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD BE IN REGARDS TO THE AFFORDABLE
1:48:59PM HOUSING SITUATION.
1:49:01PM ALL RIGHT.
1:49:01PM THANK YOU.
1:49:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M CAUTIOUS.
1:49:06PM WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THESE YET IN THE CITY.
1:49:08PM SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE TRYING TO APPROVE IT NOW.
1:49:11PM WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED IT IN THE CITY YET.
1:49:13PM I'M CAUTIOUS, THAT I JUST DON'T WANTS A CERTAIN PART OF TOWN
1:49:16PM TO BE THROWN WITH ADUs AND CONTINUE OUR SOUTHERN BLOCK
1:49:21PM BECAUSE TO ME IT BRINGS ON MORE TRANSITS, PEOPLE, IN AND
1:49:26PM OUT.
1:49:26PM I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS.
1:49:27PM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE -- TELL THEM SPECIAL USE BECAUSE I
1:49:32PM COULD JUST PULL UP ANYTHING, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, AND
1:49:39PM EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, MY CONCERN
1:49:43PM IS TO ME COULD BE A DUMPING GROUND ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN,
1:49:48PM AND BUYING PEOPLE'S HOMES.
1:49:54PM >>LACHONE DOCK: ABSOLUTELY, COUNCIL.
1:49:55PM I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
1:49:57PM ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, JUST TO KEEP THIS MIND THAT
1:50:00PM CURRENTLY IN THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS LIKE IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
1:50:05PM YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT USE.
1:50:07PM BUT IT IS LIMITED TO THAT, AND IT IS LIMITED TO TWO OTHER
1:50:10PM AREAS IN THE CITY WHICH IS SPECIFIED WITHIN OUR USE TABLE.
1:50:13PM SO, YES, IT INCLUDES THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY AREA, TO ALLOW
1:50:18PM IT, THE SPECIAL USE, WHAT THAT IS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPLY
1:50:21PM FOR APPLICATION THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION OFFICE.
1:50:24PM AND IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN
1:50:27PM STANDARDS THAT MUST BE MET.
1:50:29PM AND YOU WOULD APPLY THAT WAY.
1:50:30PM THEY ALL DON'T COME BEFORE COUNCIL UNLESS FOR WHATEVER
1:50:33PM REASON IT'S DENIED AND IT COMES BEFORE YOU ON APPEAL.
1:50:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM JUST CAUTIOUS.
1:50:40PM YOU SAY SPECIAL BUT I AM JUST CAUTIOUS.
1:50:42PM IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED FOR THE WHOLLY CITY YET AND WHEN I
1:50:45PM SAW THE PRESENTATION CERTAIN AREAS WILL NOT BE INCLUDED.
1:50:48PM SO SOMEONE JUST THROWING A BUNCH OF ADU'S ON THE EAST SIDE
1:50:55PM OF TOWN, BUT I WILL LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION.
1:50:58PM BUT I AM VERY HESITANT RIGHT NOW.
1:51:00PM >>LACHONE DOCK: I UNDERSTAND.
1:51:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:51:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
1:51:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
1:51:11PM JUST FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TELEVISION OR WHATEVER.
1:51:13PM EXPLAIN WHAT AN ADU IS SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
1:51:18PM >>LACHONE DOCK: WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE CODE AN ACCESSORY
1:51:20PM DWELLING UNIT, AN ADU, AND THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER WHICH HAS
1:51:25PM BEEN THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WHERE WE DISCUSSED ADUS ON THE
1:51:28PM EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
1:51:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND THE ADUs, ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR
1:51:35PM FAMILY MEMBERS, AM I CORRECT?
1:51:37PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THE EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE IS FOR A
1:51:39PM FAMILY MEMBER.
1:51:41PM YOU CANNOT CHARGE RENT.
1:51:43PM AND IT HAS CERTAIN STANDARDS ATTACHED WITH IT ALSO.
1:51:47PM BUT THE ADUs IS NOT STRICTLY FOR THE FAMILY MEMBER.
1:51:52PM CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
1:51:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HEARD WHAT MR. GUDES SAID, AND I
1:51:59PM UNDERSTAND HIS APPREHENSION.
1:52:06PM FROM THE NORTH, WAY NORTH OR WAY SOUTH IS NOT INCLUDED IN
1:52:08PM HERE.
1:52:10PM I THINK THERE WAS ONLY TWO AREAS INCLUDED IN THE ADUs FOR
1:52:16PM EXTENDED FAMILY --
1:52:19PM >>LACHONE DOCK: EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES ARE ALLOWED
1:52:22PM CITY-WIDE WITH THE APPROVAL.
1:52:24PM THE ADUs ARE THE ONES THAT ARE LIMITED.
1:52:30PM SO WHAT WOULD BE BEFORE YOU IN THE LANGUAGE TODAY CURRENTLY
1:52:32PM IN THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WOULD COVER THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY.
1:52:36PM AND THIS IS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY.
1:52:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT AGAINST WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO
1:52:43PM ACHIEVE.
1:52:44PM BUT WHAT I AM VERY APPREHENSIVE ABOUT IS IN ESSENCE IT'S A
1:52:50PM LOT THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL THAT IS A DUPLEX WHICH IS NO
1:52:55PM LONGER RESIDENTIAL.
1:52:55PM I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT I WILL.
1:52:57PM IN SOME INSTANCES, NOT MAYBE IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT IN SOME
1:53:01PM INSTANCES THEY ARE RENTED OUT, THEY DON'T PAY ANY AD VALOREM
1:53:05PM TAX, THEY DON'T PAY ANY SALES TAX, AND THEY DON'T PAY ANY
1:53:08PM TAX TO THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY POCKET THE CASH MONEY,
1:53:11PM AND I HAVE HEARD COMPLAINTS, NOT IN THIS CASE, DON'T GET ME
1:53:14PM WRONG, BUT IN SOME AREAS WHERE YOU CHARGE RENT AND YOU CAN
1:53:17PM ONLY PAY BY CASH.
1:53:18PM THEY WILL NOT TAKE A CHECK.
1:53:20PM THAT WAY THERE'S NO TRAIL BACK.
1:53:22PM AND I HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT CALLED MY OFFICE
1:53:24PM THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
1:53:26PM AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO HAVE THE RECORDS THAT I HAVE IF YOU
1:53:31PM WANT TO LOOK AT THEM.
1:53:33PM >>LACHONE DOCK: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND
1:53:35PM YOUR CONCERN.
1:53:36PM AND WE UNDERSTAND AND WE EXPLAINED IT TO THE APPLICANT THAT
1:53:39PM THIS ADU DISCUSSION IS ONGOING.
1:53:42PM COUNCIL HAS NOT DECIDED EITHER WAY.
1:53:44PM WE STILL HAVE THIS LANGUAGE THAT IS MOVING BEFORE YOU AT THE
1:53:47PM PUBLICLY INITIATED AMENDMENT, ALONG WITH THIS ONE AS A
1:53:50PM PRIVATELY INITIATED.
1:53:53PM AND THE APPLICANT UNDERSTOOD, WHICHEVER WOULD TAKE EFFECT
1:53:56PM FIRST IS WHAT WILL BE IN PLACE.
1:53:59PM OR THEY COULD HOLD --
1:54:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THOUGHT YOU ARE DOING AN EXCELLENT
1:54:08PM JOB, EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- YOU
1:54:14PM HAVE TO HAVE THIS FORM TO BE GRANTED.
1:54:17PM BECAUSE I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
1:54:23PM BUT I AM A LITTLE APPREHENSIVE OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN
1:54:26PM CERTAIN AREAS OF THE TOWN, WHERE ONE DAY IT'S A HOUSE WITH A
1:54:29PM FRONT DOOR, THE NEXT DAY IT'S A HOUSE WITH TWO SIDE DOORS
1:54:32PM AND A FRONT DOOR AND THEN A SIDEWALK LEADING AROUND WITH A
1:54:34PM LOCK ON THE OUTSIDE LIKE A DOOR HANDLE, NOT A LOCK, A DOOR
1:54:38PM HANDLE WITH A KEY, AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE PLASTIC FENCE,
1:54:40PM THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LITTLE PLASTIC FENCE WITH
1:54:43PM ANOTHER DOOR GOING IN, AND HAVING A BEEHIVE.
1:54:48PM ONE HIVE WITH A LOT OF BEES.
1:54:50PM ONE HOUSE WITH A LOT OF DOORS.
1:54:52PM THE THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING.
1:54:54PM AND THIS IS GOING ON.
1:54:55PM AND IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL IS COLLECTING
1:55:01PM NO TAX ON IT BECAUSE A CITY TAX, AD VALOREM TAX.
1:55:06PM THERE IT IS.
1:55:06PM THE COUNTY PAYS THEIR PORTION.
1:55:08PM BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS -- I AM NOT A TAX EXPERT, BUT LOOK
1:55:14PM AT THE COUNTY, LOOK AT THE CITY, AND THE AD VALOREM TAX IS
1:55:17PM ABOUT THE SAME.
1:55:18PM AND THE SCHOOL BOARD IS TWICE THE AMOUNT THAT THE COUNTY
1:55:21PM GETS, GIVES THE COUNTY AND THE CITIES, SOME OF WHICH THE
1:55:26PM SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD BE GETTING, AND THE SCHOOL BOARD IS
1:55:29PM BEING CHEATED OUT.
1:55:30PM AND I AM NOT HERE ABOUT YOU.
1:55:33PM BUT THEY ARE GETTING CHEATED OUT OF THAT MONEY AND THE
1:55:35PM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY PAY NO TAX AT ALL ON MONEYS THEY
1:55:39PM COLLECT FROM RENT.
1:55:39PM AND I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND
1:55:42PM MR. GUDES' APPREHENSION TO SOME POINT, BECAUSE IT'S RAMPANT
1:55:46PM THROUGHOUT PARTS OF THE CITY.
1:55:47PM AND IT'S GOT TO STOP.
1:55:49PM SO I DON'T WANT TO GIVE SOMEONE AN YOU DIDN'T THAT COULD DO
1:55:54PM SOMETHING, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT THEY
1:55:57PM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LAW IS, AND WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE
1:56:02PM SO THEY DON'T BREAK THE LAW.
1:56:04PM >>LACHONE DOCK: ABSOLUTELY.
1:56:05PM KEEPING IN MIND ALSO, COUNCIL, AS YOU HAVE THIS DISCUSSION
1:56:07PM REGARDING THE ADUs, AND AS THE VOTERS MADE, AS TO THE
1:56:13PM REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ADU, IT CAN CERTAINLY TAKE PLACE
1:56:16PM OVER -- WHETHER CITY-WIDE OR BY AREA, WHICHEVER IS DECIDED
1:56:20PM UPON, BUT IF IT IS CITY-WIDE, OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
1:56:23PM IT EVEN TAKE EFFECT OVER THE OVERLAYS PORTION OF THIS
1:56:27PM REQUEST WOULD BE REMOVED.
1:56:29PM WE STILL HAVE TIME.
1:56:31PM I AM GOING TO REVIEW WITH YOU ALSO THE PROCESSING SCHEDULE.
1:56:33PM THIS IS THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS.
1:56:37PM I BELIEVE THE ADU DISCUSSION AND VOTE WILL OCCUR BEFORE THIS
1:56:40PM COMES BACK BEFORE YOU FOR FIRST READING.
1:56:43PM BUT WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE IT IF NEEDED -- OR
1:56:46PM TO AMEND IT BASED UPON THE VOTE.
1:56:49PM ON THE OVERALL ADU DISCUSSION.
1:56:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
1:57:00PM >>LACHONE DOCK: OKAY.
1:57:01PM I WILL TURN IT OVER TO TIM.
1:57:03PM AND I AM AVAILABLE AT ANY POINT FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL.
1:57:05PM THANK YOU.
1:57:06PM >> I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A PRESENTATION --
1:57:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I'M SORRY.
1:57:22PM >> I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A PRESENTATION.
1:57:25PM MY NAME IS KIM HEADLAND.
1:57:28PM I HAVE SERVED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS AS THE LAND USE CHAIR
1:57:31PM FOR THE EAST TAMPA PARTNERSHIP.
1:57:35PM I HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING IN THE PAST DECADE ON
1:57:41PM AND OFF FOR CACs, EAST TAMPA CAC.
1:57:45PM SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY REGARDING HOW WE CAME HERE.
1:57:51PM BACK IN 2016, UNDER EVANGELINE BEST WHO WAS THE CHAIR AT THE
1:58:00PM TIME, THE LAND USE COMMITTEE BEGAN TO LOOK AT THE OVERLANDS
1:58:04PM AND THE THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN EAST TAMPA, AND THERE
1:58:07PM WAS A DIRECTIVE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE COMMITTEE BEGIN
1:58:10PM WORK ON LOOKING AT REVISIONS TO THIS OVERLAY.
1:58:14PM IN 2018, THE CAC AT THE TIME APPROVED FUNDING TO APPLY FOR
1:58:18PM THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT, AND A DRAFT WAS
1:58:22PM SUBMITTED.
1:58:24PM IN 2019, CITY STAFF MADE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THAT DRAFT
1:58:31PM AND REQUESTED AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF CHANGES.
1:58:35PM THIS DRAFT WAS THEN TABLED BETWEEN 2019 AND 2021 AS THE CAC
1:58:42PM TACKLED OTHER BIGGER ISSUES THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDED TO
1:58:47PM DEAL WITH AT THAT TIME.
1:58:48PM AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, I WAS ASKED AS LAND USE CHAIR TO
1:58:56PM TAKE A LOOK AT THE OVERLAY AGAIN.
1:58:57PM WE BROUGHT IT -- BROUGHT IT BACK SINCE OCTOBER OF 2021, WE
1:59:02PM HAVE PRESENTED THIS AND TAKEN FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AT
1:59:07PM TWO PARTNERSHIP MEETINGS AND A SEPARATE MEETING.
1:59:11PM SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHANGES.
1:59:15PM I WILL GIVE A BROAD OVERVIEW COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU JUST
1:59:19PM HEARD.
1:59:19PM SO AGAIN, THE ALLOWANCE OF ADUs WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA
1:59:23PM OVERLAY, THE LOTS OF RECORD IS CLARIFIED IN THE OVERLAY.
1:59:30PM SETBACK AND ORIENTATION.
1:59:31PM IT IS A RANGE IS GIVEN TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO
1:59:37PM FOLKS THAT ARE PROVIDING IN-FILL HOUSING.
1:59:41PM PERMITTED CARPORTS, CARPORTS WITHIN THREE FOOT OF THE
1:59:46PM PROPERTY LINE, AND GARAGE LOCATIONS, THE TWO-FOOT SETBACKS
1:59:54PM AS MS. DOCK OUTLINED.
2:00:00PM ALLEY ACCESS FOR PARKING AND TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS WERE
2:00:04PM ALSO INCLUDED.
2:00:11PM I GUESS I HAVE A CLICKER.
2:00:13PM THERE WE GO.
2:00:14PM SO THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY INTERESTED IN ENSURING THAT THE
2:00:19PM FRONT OF THE HOME, THE FOCUS REMAIN ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME
2:00:24PM WHICH IS WHERE THE TWO-FOOT SETBACK CAME INTO PLAY.
2:00:27PM SO THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE DOCUMENT.
2:00:33PM AGAIN, CARPORTS BEING ALLOWED WITHIN THREE FOOT OF THE
2:00:36PM PROPERTY LINE.
2:00:37PM SO THAT IN-FILL HOUSING CAN BE AS COMPATIBLE WITH THE
2:00:42PM COMMUNITY AS POSSIBLE.
2:00:47PM THE ALLOWANCE FOR USE OF THE ALLEY FOR PARKING, IF THE ALLEY
2:00:54PM IS NOT VACATED.
2:00:55PM THIS IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
2:00:58PM THIS IS ONLY ENCOURAGED AND OPTIONAL.
2:01:02PM WE LOOKED AT THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH THE WAY
2:01:10PM THE OVERLAY REVISIONS ARE WRITTEN.
2:01:13PM THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMUNITY WAS INTERESTED IN ENSURING
2:01:17PM THAT THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF BLANK WALLS AND CEPTED ISSUES,
2:01:23PM THAT WERE KIND OF PROLIFERATED THROUGHOUT EAST TAMPA, SO
2:01:26PM THIS WOULD REQUIRE WINDOWS OR DOORS OR ALL SIDES OF
2:01:30PM RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WITH A MINIMUM TRANSPARENCY OF 15%,
2:01:33PM SO BASICALLY THAT ONE WALL WHICH HAD A SMALL WINDOW.
2:01:40PM ADUs.
2:01:41PM THIS WAS A REALLY SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATION AMONGST THE
2:01:47PM COMMUNITY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP OVER THE LAST YEAR IN RESPONSE
2:01:50PM TO A FEW THINGS.
2:01:51PM HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, YES, WITH YOU ALSO IN RESPONSE TO
2:01:55PM GENERATIONAL LIVING AND BEING ABLE TO AGE IN PLACE.
2:02:00PM OUR NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS ARE
2:02:05PM ABLE TO HAVE ADUs, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST FROM
2:02:09PM THE COMMUNITY IN THOSE INITIAL PARTNERSHIP MEETINGS TO ALSO
2:02:13PM HAVE THAT OPTION FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
2:02:18PM AND THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, THEY MAY BE LOCATED ON
2:02:22PM SINGLE-FAMILY PARCELS OR IN CONFORMING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
2:02:26PM AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART, IS THE CONFORMING, THAT THEY
2:02:29PM ARE LEGAL BUT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE
2:02:31PM PROCESS, AND THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH PERMITTING.
2:02:42PM THOSE WERE THE CHANGES PROPOSED ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF
2:02:45PM THE OVERLAY.
2:02:46PM ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE, WE LOOKED AT TRANSPARENCY
2:02:51PM REQUIREMENTS, SETBACK, ORIENTATION, AND RANGES, SIDEWALKS,
2:02:56PM OPEN STORAGE SCREENING, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SIGN
2:02:59PM STANDARDS, ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AND
2:03:09PM NEIGHBORHOOD MAIN STREETS.
2:03:13PM AND THOSE TWO WERE REALLY LOOKED AT IN COLLABORATION WITH
2:03:17PM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT NEW
2:03:20PM DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE, BUT ALSO
2:03:23PM THAT EXISTING SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, EXISTING STAKEHOLDERS,
2:03:28PM ARE ABLE TO ADAPT AND MODIFY THEIR PROPERTIES WITHOUT BEING
2:03:33PM PENALIZED OR WITHOUT HAVING TO FIND REALLY EXCESSIVE
2:03:38PM SOLUTIONS TO ITEMS SUCH AS PARKING.
2:03:43PM JUMPING BACK TO THE FENCING, NO NEW CHAIN LINK OR NEW
2:03:49PM NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, URBAN STORAGE MUST BE SCREENED
2:03:55PM WITH OPAQUE MATERIAL MATCHING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
2:03:58PM THIS IS FOR OPEN STORAGE.
2:04:00PM IT'S ALSO FOR DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES AND ENCLOSURES OF THAT
2:04:05PM NATURE.
2:04:08PM SIDEWALKS, THE COMMUNITY FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT 6-FOOT
2:04:12PM SIDEWALKS SHOULD BE REQUIRED ON COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROADS
2:04:16PM TO ENSURE WALKABILITY WITHIN THE GREATER EAST TAMPA AREA.
2:04:23PM PRINCIPAL FACADES.
2:04:25PM SO MAIN ENTRIES SHALL FACE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR THE ENTRY
2:04:29PM COURTYARD AND CREATE THAT STREET EDGE.
2:04:31PM YOU CAN SEE ONE OPTION ON THE RIGHT THERE THAT ADDRESSES THE
2:04:38PM STREETSCAPE.
2:04:43PM MAIN STREET, THE ONE BIG CHANGE HERE IS THAT THE MAIN
2:04:47PM STREETS ARE DESIGNATED TO COORDINATE WITH THE COMMUNITY
2:04:51PM STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN, AND INCENTIVIZE REDEVELOPMENT
2:04:55PM OPPORTUNITIES WERE CREATED IN TERMS OF PARKING REDUCTIONS
2:05:00PM AVAILABLE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE, OR JUST REUSE OF EXISTING
2:05:04PM BUILDINGS.
2:05:06PM OUR BUSINESSES THAT CHANGED THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT
2:05:10PM PARKING -- THERE'S AN INCENTIVIZATION THERE FOR THAT
2:05:15PM REDEVELOPMENT.
2:05:17PM THEN THE PARKING REDUCTIONS THAT I JUST WENT OVER, AGAIN
2:05:23PM ENCOURAGING THAT ADAPTIVE REUSE, ENCOURAGING THAT
2:05:26PM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING
2:05:29PM BUILDINGS, AND EMBRACING MULTIMODAL TRANSIT IN THAT WAY.
2:05:41PM THOSE WERE THE CORRIDORS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC
2:05:44PM ACTION PLAN AND THEY HAVE BEEN OUT LINED AGAIN AS PART THAT
2:05:47PM NONRESIDENTIAL SECTION AT THE OVERLAY, THE REQUESTED CHANGES
2:05:53PM TO THE OVERLAY.
2:05:54PM AND THEN FINALLY, THE SETBACK RANGE, SIMILAR TO THE
2:05:58PM RESIDENTIAL SECTION.
2:06:00PM THIS CREATES A RANGE INSTEAD OF THE BLOCK ARCHING, AND IT
2:06:07PM GIVES A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOPERS WHILE STILL
2:06:11PM CREATING THAT COHESIVE WALK THAT ADDRESSES THE STREET EDGE,
2:06:17PM AND HOPEFULLY CREATES NEW IN-FILL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S AS
2:06:22PM COMPATIBLE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY.
2:06:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:06:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
2:06:35PM AND I THINK THERE WAS AT LEAST TWO PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE NEW
2:06:40PM COLUMBUS DRIVE CORRIDOR AND WHAT THEY DID WITH THE CROSSWALK
2:06:45PM WITH THE MUCH WIDER SIDEWALKS.
2:06:48PM I HAVE DRIVEN THROUGH THERE FOREVER, BEFORE AND NOW, AND
2:06:51PM IT'S TRANSFORMATIVE.
2:06:54PM IF YOU COULD APPLY NO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I GO TO YBOR, I
2:06:57PM HAVE DO GO TO KING, I TAKE 15th NORTH. IF WE COULD DO
2:07:01PM THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, TO MAKE
2:07:04PM 15th LOOK MORE LIKE COLUMBUS DRIVE, OR IN REGARDS TO
2:07:09PM ANOTHER PART, THE CHAIN LINK FENCES, MAKING THEM WHERE THEY
2:07:15PM ARE NOT EXISTING BUT ANYTHING NEW THAT IS COMPATIBLE I THINK
2:07:21PM THAT WOULD OFFER SOME KIND OF UNIFORMITY.
2:07:24PM IT'S A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS LIKE THIS, AND YOU MENTIONED
2:07:28PM ADAPTIVE REUSE IN A LOT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, A LOT OF
2:07:31PM BRICK STRUCTURES.
2:07:35PM THIS IS WONDERFUL.
2:07:36PM WHEN I SAY WONDERFUL, THE ZONING, A LOT OF THE ZONING LAWS
2:07:41PM COME INTO PLAY, I THINK IN THE 1980s, AND BEFORE THAT, YOU
2:07:44PM KNOW, THE CODES -- WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CODES FOR SMARTER
2:07:50PM DEVELOPMENT.
2:07:51PM AND LOOKING AT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES WITHIN THE OVERLAY, IT
2:07:53PM WILL ALLOW US TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND IMPROVE THE
2:07:58PM QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE LOOK, THE FEEL, THE T
2:08:01PM SAFETY, THE WIDER SIDEWALKS, THE COMPLETE STREET PROJECTS.
2:08:05PM THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS THAT WOULD BE TRANSFORMATIVE IN
2:08:08PM THE SENSE THAT YOU ARE IMPROVING THE QUALITY FOR THE PEOPLE
2:08:11PM THAT ARE THERE, AND INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES.
2:08:14PM IT LOOKS BETTER.
2:08:15PM IT'S SAFE.
2:08:16PM THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS.
2:08:18PM AND YOU TOUCHED ON A LOT OF STUFF.
2:08:21PM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:08:22PM IT.
2:08:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:08:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH MR. MANISCALCO UP TO A
2:08:33PM POINT.
2:08:33PM WHEN YOU SHOWED COLUMBUS DRIVE, WHICH IT DOES LOOK VERY
2:08:37PM NICE, AND I USE IT QUITE OFTEN, THEN YOU SHOW THE NEXT SET,
2:08:42PM 26th AVENUE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE -- ONE CORNER
2:08:49PM USED TO BE A FEED STORE, THEN A DRUGSTORE, A STORE THAT WE
2:08:55PM HAD TO CLOSE, THAT I DON'T RECOGNIZE.
2:08:58PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:09:00PM BUT NOT IN THE AREA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T BELIEVE.
2:09:04PM IS THIS A PICTURE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA?
2:09:07PM >> LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET BACK.
2:09:08PM I'M NOT SURE.
2:09:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S 15th STREET.
2:09:14PM >> THAT IS NOT WITHIN EAST TAMPA.
2:09:17PM THAT IS WITHIN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.
2:09:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN I SAW THAT, I THOUGHT IF I DROVE
2:09:26PM THROUGH IF MY MEMORY IS GOING WITH ME.
2:09:28PM I THOUGHT VERY NICE.
2:09:30PM I WISH IT WAS HERE BUT IT'S NOT.
2:09:32PM BUT THE OTHER ONES I KNOW VERY WELL.
2:09:36PM I LIKE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
2:09:38PM HOWEVER, YOU ALLOW THE CHAIN LINK FENCE IN RESIDENTIAL, AND
2:09:43PM THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
2:09:44PM AND IN MY PART THE REASON IS, YOU CAN SEE ON THE OTHER SIDE
2:09:47PM OF THE FENCE THERE, IF YOU PUT EVERY RESIDENCE AND YOU PUT A
2:09:51PM FIVE-FOOT CLOSED PLASTIC FENCE, YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S ON THE
2:09:56PM OTHER SIDE.
2:09:57PM YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING.
2:09:59PM >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WITH THE FENCING REVISIONS
2:10:04PM THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED THAT ANY FRONT YARD FENCING WOULD
2:10:07PM HAVE TO MATCH WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA REQUIRES, WHICH IF IT
2:10:11PM IS A CLOSED FENCE, A CLOSED TICKET FENCE, BUT IN THE FRONT
2:10:14PM IT HAS TO BE REMAIN THREE FOOT BUT IT CAN ONLY GO HIGHER IN
2:10:17PM THE BACK.
2:10:19PM THE CHAIN LINK WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A REQUEST THAT WENT
2:10:22PM ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2016 WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS,
2:10:25PM AND IT WAS SOMETHING FOLKS FELT STRONGLY ABOUT, JUST TO
2:10:30PM IMPROVE THE OVERALL AESTHETICS.
2:10:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
2:10:33PM BUT I GOT THE TWO FEET, THE THREE FEET, THAT'S WONDERFUL, IT
2:10:37PM LOOKS VERY NICE, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, THE SETBACK ON A PLASTIC
2:10:41PM FENCE, WHAT YOU HAVE WANT CALL IT, PANEL FENCE.
2:10:44PM HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU HAVE
2:10:46PM GOT TO LOOK AT.
2:10:47PM FIRST OF ALL, DOES IT OPEN FROM THE OUTSIDE?
2:10:50PM IF IT DOES, WATCH OUT IF YOU HAVE A RENTAL PROPERTY BEHIND
2:10:58PM IT.
2:10:58PM IF IT'S SOLID AND IT'S OPEN ONLY FROM THE INSIDE YOU DON'T
2:11:02PM HAVE A RENTAL PROPERTY BACK THERE.
2:11:05PM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS LOOK AT WHEN I AM
2:11:08PM DRIVING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IN MY MIND I CAN TELL
2:11:10PM YOU WHERE THEY ARE ALL AT.
2:11:12PM I AM NOT SAYING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
2:11:14PM BUT WHEN YOU START WITH SOMETHING GOOD, SOMETHING WONDERFUL,
2:11:16PM SOMETHING FRESH, SOCK THAT'S NEEDED, YOU ALWAYS GOT TO LOOK
2:11:19PM OUT FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT, AND USING
2:11:23PM YOU -- AND AS A SCAPEGOAT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND
2:11:30PM THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
2:11:31PM WHEN YOU SEE THAT AND YOU SEE A LITTLE SIDEWALK THAT GOES
2:11:33PM FROM THE FRONT TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT AND TO A SETBACK
2:11:38PM ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THEY HAVE RENTAL PROPERTIES ON BOTH
2:11:40PM SIDES.
2:11:41PM I CAN SHOW YOU ALL THAT.
2:11:42PM BUT I AM NOT HERE -- I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM.
2:11:47PM I AM TELLING YOU WHAT IT COULD BE AFTER YOU DO THIS.
2:11:51PM YOU HAVE GOT TO BE VIGILANT, AND STAY ON IT ON A DAILY BASIS
2:11:55PM BECAUSE IT DOES CHANGE ON A DAILY BASIS.
2:11:58PM >> I THINK THAT'S WHERE ALSO NEED HELP FROM THE CITY IN
2:12:01PM TERMS MUCH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
2:12:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU WANT TO THE
2:12:10PM DO.
2:12:11PM THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
2:12:13PM YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, ASK A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
2:12:16PM BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT.
2:12:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:12:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THE PRESENTATION IS GREAT AND YOU
2:12:23PM WORKED A LONG TIME AND YOU HAVE GOT SOME TEAM MEMBERS OVER
2:12:26PM THERE NOW WHO ARE NOW GETTING THE BALL MOVING IN EAST TAMPA,
2:12:29PM WHICH I LOVE, WHICH I SAY WHEN YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE, KNOWLEDGE
2:12:32PM IS POWER, AND YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE OVER THERE THAT
2:12:36PM WANT THE COMMUNITY LOOK DIFFERENT.
2:12:40PM BRING A DIFFERENT FLAVOR, AND WE NEED THAT, IN OUR
2:12:47PM COMMUNITY.
2:12:51PM TALKING ABOUT CHAIN LINK, RIGHT NOW CAN'T AFFORD TO GET IT,
2:12:55PM YOU KNOW.
2:12:58PM SO I UNDERSTAND THE VINYL FENCING, I UNDERSTAND CHAIN LINK.
2:13:06PM EITHER OR.
2:13:07PM BUT TO THINK FOR ME, IT'S MAKING SURE, THE ADU IS A STICKLER
2:13:12PM FOR ME.
2:13:12PM I'M JUST GOING TO BE CANDID WITH YOU.
2:13:16PM THAT'S A STICKLER FOR ME.
2:13:19PM I KNOW WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
2:13:21PM I KNOW -- MY MAIN FOCUS.
2:13:26PM BUT PUTTING STUFF WITH OTHER HOUSES AND BRINGING DOWN
2:13:32PM VALUES, AND MR. MIRANDA SAID, THERE'S A CYCLE TO WHERE WE
2:13:37PM HAVE PEOPLE IN AND OUT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS COMING OR
2:13:40PM GOING SOMETIMES.
2:13:42PM I MEAN, THAT'S A CHALLENGE INFORM ME, AND I WANT TO TRY TO
2:13:46PM IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY.
2:13:47PM BUT IN THE SAME TOKEN IT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD.
2:13:50PM WE NEED HOUSING AS WELL.
2:13:51PM AND RIGHT NOW, FOR ME, IN EAST TAMPA, AND WE HAVE TO PUT AN
2:13:57PM ORDINANCE IN PLACE FOR THE CITY.
2:14:01PM THE ADUs IS AS CHALLENGING AS THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, SO
2:14:07PM RIGHT NOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING FOR THE CITY YET.
2:14:15PM SO THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH THEA DU RIGHT NOW.
2:14:20PM WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE ORDINANCE, MAYBE MS. DOCK
2:14:29PM CAN ANSWER THAT.
2:14:30PM >>LACHONE DOCK: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
2:14:31PM THIS IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO REVIEW WITH YOU, COUNCIL, THE
2:14:34PM TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US NOW.
2:14:37PM SO CURRENTLY TODAY, THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU AS A WORKSHOP,
2:14:40PM OR DISCUSSION, AND IT IS IN THE EARLY PHASES OF THE
2:14:44PM PROCESSING.
2:14:45PM THE NEXT STEP WE ARE GOING TO BRIEF THE PLANNING COMMISSION,
2:14:49PM AND THAT WILL BE IN DECEMBER.
2:14:50PM AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING,
2:14:53PM WHICH IS IN JANUARY.
2:14:56PM AND THEN WE COULD CIRCLE BACK TO CITY COUNCIL NO SOONER THAN
2:15:01PM FEBRUARY.
2:15:02PM THE FIRST MEETING.
2:15:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN IS THE IF I'S FIRST ORDINANCE COMING
2:15:10PM BACK?
2:15:12PM >>LACHONE DOCK: I BELIEVE NEXT MONTH OR EARLY JANUARY AT
2:15:14PM THE LATEST.
2:15:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WISH MS. McCRAY WERE HERE.
2:15:21PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ADUS WERE IN EAST TAMPA.
2:15:27PM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS ABOUT
2:15:31PM ADUs.
2:15:32PM I KNOW SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT MIDDLE CORE
2:15:37PM RIGHT THERE, I DON'T KNOW FINANCE THEY REALLY KNOW ABOUT
2:15:39PM WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT IT IS.
2:15:43PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE
2:15:46PM PROPERTY OWNERS UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.
2:15:49PM AGAIN, I AM ALL ABOUT HOUSING.
2:15:51PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HOW WE ARE GOING TO CRAFT IT, TO
2:15:55PM KIND OF CONTROL IT ASSOCIATION CONTROL IT A LITTLE BIT TO
2:15:59PM WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRANSITS GOING IN AND OUT.
2:16:04PM I NEED HOUSING BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM ABLE TO
2:16:07PM CONTROL IT A LITTLE BIT.
2:16:07PM >>KIM HEADLAND: I CAN TELL YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, WE DID
2:16:13PM HAVE TWO PARTNERSHIP MEETINGS WHERE WE COVERED ADUs IN
2:16:17PM DEPTH, INCLUDING KIND OF DISCUSSION OF PROS AND CONS.
2:16:25PM WE ALSO HAD THIS PRESENTATION WITH ADUs INCLUDED AT TWO
2:16:31PM CAC MEETINGS AS WE PREPARED AND LOOKED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD
2:16:35PM THE SUPPORT GOING FORWARD TO COME HERE TODAY, AND TO START
2:16:38PM THIS PROCESS AGAIN.
2:16:43PM THE ADU IS ONE REALLY SMALL PIECE OF THIS OVERLAY REVISION.
2:16:49PM IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A STICKING POINT, I THINK IT'S
2:16:52PM SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, WITHIN THE TIME FRAME WE HAVE, WE
2:16:56PM COULD TAKE THAT ONE PIECE AND GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND
2:17:01PM DISCUSS FURTHER AND HOLD A FEW MORE PUBLIC INFORMATION
2:17:06PM SESSIONS WITH NEIGHBORHOODS TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON
2:17:10PM THE SAME PAGE AS WE ARE STANDING HERE ASKING FOR THIS.
2:17:13PM BUT AGAIN IT'S A SMALL PIECE, AND I THINK WE HAVE THE
2:17:16PM ABILITY TO TAKE THAT OUT, AND MAYBE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE
2:17:19PM DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND HEAR ANY OTHER POINTS THAT --
2:17:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I LIKE THE PRESENTATION.
2:17:25PM EVERYTHING ELSE, I MEAN, THE SIDEWALKS, AND THOSE CORRIDORS.
2:17:31PM I ALWAYS SAID WE HAVE TO LOOK AT 15th, 22ND, 34th,
2:17:34PM 29th, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE LOOKABLE, LIVABLE.
2:17:39PM I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
2:17:41PM JUST MY STICKING POINT, SO WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME BEFORE
2:17:46PM IT HAS TO BE PRESENTED.
2:17:47PM AM I CORRECT ON THAT?
2:17:49PM >>LACHONE DOCK: CORRECT, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:17:54PM THIS IS THE LAST CYCLE FOR THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT
2:17:57PM AMENDMENTS.
2:17:57PM ONE TWO OF THINGS COULD OCCUR.
2:18:00PM COUNCIL COULD DIRECT THE APPLICANT, OR JUST ASK IF THAT
2:18:05PM LANGUAGE WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE OVERALL REQUEST, SO THAT
2:18:08PM COULD BE REMOVED REFERENCE TO THE ADU.
2:18:12PM THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE MOVE FORWARD, BASED ON HOW COUNCIL
2:18:15PM DECIDES ON THE ADU DISCUSSION AT A LATER POINT, WE COULD
2:18:19PM CERTAINLY CIRCLE BACK AS PART OF OUR PUBLICLY INITIATED
2:18:22PM AMENDMENT TO REVISE IT TO INCORPORATE CHANGES TO THE EAST
2:18:26PM TAMPA OVERLAY.
2:18:28PM IF THE ADU --
2:18:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T WANT TO HURT THE FOLKS WHO WORKED
2:18:33PM SO HARD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT
2:18:40PM MIDDLE CORE IS ON BOARD WE CAN GO FORWARD. IF IT'S WHAT THE
2:18:43PM CONSTITUENTS WANT, I AM NOT GOING TO FIGHT WITH WHAT THE
2:18:46PM CONSTITUENTS WANT BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME
2:18:49PM CONSEQUENCES COULD BE WITH ADUs, ESPECIALLY IN THE EAST
2:18:51PM TAMPA AREA; THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
2:18:57PM UP TO THE NORTH END OF TOWN, SULPHUR SPRINGS AND TRYING TO
2:18:59PM CLEAN UP SOME OF THE BLIGHT, WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS,
2:19:03PM BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU ONCE YOU START, EVERYBODY WHO IS A
2:19:06PM PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO BE WANTING TO BUILD SOMETHING
2:19:09PM BACK THERE OR ADD ON SOMETHING, TO HAVE ADDITIONAL, AND YOU
2:19:14PM ARE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC AND SOMEONE BRINGING COMMUNITIES
2:19:17PM THAT EQUITY IS NOT THERE YET, AND THAT IS MY ONLY POINT.
2:19:24PM IT'S NOT LIKE SOUTH TAMPA, PALM A SEE, A NEW TAMPA, THESE
2:19:27PM PLACES.
2:19:28PM IT'S NOT THERE IN SO OF THESE SMALLER PLACES.
2:19:31PM AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, IT WOULD MAKE THINGS WORSE AND MAKE
2:19:34PM THEM BETTER.
2:19:35PM >>LACHONE DOCK: UNDERSTOOD.
2:19:39PM ABSOLUTELY.
2:19:39PM I BELIEVE WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE HAVE THE TIMELINE.
2:19:44PM I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN ADDITION TO TAG PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY,
2:19:48PM AT TODAY'S WORKSHOP, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE ARE MEMBERS
2:19:52PM HERE TO SPEAK, WE WOULD ALSO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE
2:19:54PM PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THERE'S AN
2:19:56PM OPPORTUNITY OF COURSE BY THE TIME WE GET BACK --
2:19:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO WE HAVE TIME.
2:20:00PM >>LACHONE DOCK: -- FOR FIRST READING.
2:20:02PM BUT KIM CAN GO BACK TO THE GROUP AND GET FEEDBACK AND DECIDE
2:20:05PM WHAT SHE'S LIKE TO DO WITH THAT LANGUAGE OR WHAT THE
2:20:08PM CONSENSUS IS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
2:20:09PM AND BY THE TIME WE COME BACK BEFORE YOU FOR FIRST READING IF
2:20:12PM YOU ARE COMFORTABLE, IF COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE, WE CAN
2:20:15PM CERTAINLY LET NOW AT THAT TIME WHAT IT IS.
2:20:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
2:20:19PM >>LACHONE DOCK: WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
2:20:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
2:20:24PM >>LACHONE DOCK: YES.
2:20:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, THEN COUNCILMAN
2:20:27PM MIRANDA.
2:20:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK, IN REGARDS TO BE -- MY ONLY
2:20:31PM CONCERNS THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES HAD, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES,
2:20:35PM AND WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
2:20:39PM THIS WOULD BENEFIT A LOT OF PEOPLE.
2:20:41PM BUT YOU OPEN THE FLOODGATES AND YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
2:20:44PM AND ONE THING THAT I WILL MENTION, IS AN ARTICLE THAT I SAW
2:20:48PM A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
2:20:49PM I DIDN'T READ IT.
2:20:50PM I SAW THE HEADLINE.
2:20:51PM I SAVED IT.
2:20:52PM BUT I WANT TO SAY WALL STREET JOURNAL, MAYBE NEW YORK TIMES,
2:20:55PM ONE OF THOSE.
2:20:56PM BUT IT WAS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF ONE OF THE
2:21:00PM CO-FOUNDERS OF AIRBNB IS WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES, BEHIND
2:21:05PM THE SCENES, TO CHANGE CODES, TO CHANGE -- AND I SAID, THIS
2:21:09PM MAY BE IN REGARDS TO -- I DON'T KNOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE
2:21:15PM THESE UNITS, AIRBNBs AND WHATNOT, AND NOT FOR TWO
2:21:20PM RESIDENTIAL.
2:21:21PM I DON'T KNOW IF THE ARTICLE SAYS ALL THAT.
2:21:23PM I BRIEFLY LOOKED AT IT.
2:21:24PM I SAVED IT.
2:21:25PM BUT LET'S LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
2:21:29PM BUT OWNER OCCUPIED, THESE ADUs THAT THEY ARE CHARGING
2:21:36PM RENT, AND THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE LARGER HOUSE, THE MAIN
2:21:40PM HOUSE ARE CHARGING RENT, UNLESS IT'S A FAMILY MEMBER.
2:21:43PM BUT OR IT'S AN AFFORDABLE SITUATION IN CREATING A BETTER
2:21:48PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTION FOR PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY HOW THINGS
2:21:51PM ARE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:21:52PM SO I AM JUST SAYING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING, LOOK AT
2:21:55PM ALL THE EVIDENCE.
2:21:55PM BUT I THINK ADUs IN THE END ARE BENEFICIAL WHEN PROPERLY
2:22:01PM USED, WHEN THE GUIDELINES ARE FOLLOWED, AND HOW WE REGULATE
2:22:06PM THEM AND HOW PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO RENT THEM OUT.
2:22:10PM SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE WHAT APARTMENTS COST, WHAT HOMES
2:22:14PM FOR RENT COST, AND PEOPLE ARE IN NEED OF THIS HOUSING.
2:22:17PM SO THANK YOU.
2:22:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN.
2:22:19PM >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:22:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH MY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
2:22:23PM I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TODAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE OVER 90
2:22:26PM DAYS BEFORE THIS FIRST READING ON FEBRUARY 2nd OF '23.
2:22:30PM HOWEVER, AT THAT TIME, IT'S EASY TO SAY, EXTENDED FAMILY
2:22:34PM RESIDENCE.
2:22:36PM THEY ARE ALL GOING TO SAY THEY ARE EXTENDED FAMILY
2:22:38PM RESIDENCE.
2:22:41PM YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
2:22:43PM HUMAN NATURE.
2:22:45PM WE DON'T LIE, WE JUST HINGE A LITTLE BIT ON THE TRUTH.
2:22:49PM AND I AM NOT CALLING ANYBODY A LIAR.
2:22:51PM DON'T GET ME WRONG.
2:22:52PM BUT WE MUST HAVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE FAMILY
2:22:55PM MEMBERS.
2:22:56PM AND WITH ALL THESE ANCESTRY THINGS YOU HAVE NOW I DON'T
2:22:59PM THINK IT'S THAT DIFFICULT TO FIND OUT THEY REALLY ARE.
2:23:03PM LET'S FACE IT.
2:23:05PM AND THEY WERE NEVER USED.
2:23:06PM THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY IS LIVING THE WAY THEY ARE, WHICH IS
2:23:10PM TRUE.
2:23:15PM HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT THE CASE WE HAVE IN THESE CASES.
2:23:18PM AGAIN I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT TODAY, BUT THE EXTENDED
2:23:22PM FAMILY MEMBERS MUST BE VERIFIABLE.
2:23:25PM IT USED TO BE WE TAKE A PICTURE WHEN YOU CAME INTO THE
2:23:28PM OFFICE, DOWN THE ROAD, AND EVERY YEAR, THEY GO GOING TO ON
2:23:31PM THE DOOR, AND VERIFY THAT PICTURE WITH THAT FACE.
2:23:35PM I WONDER IF WE ARE STILL DOING THAT.
2:23:37PM I AM NOT ASKING.
2:23:38PM I AM JUST WONDERING.
2:23:41PM I DON'T KNOW.
2:23:43PM I DON'T WANT TO CREATE NO PROBLEMS.
2:23:46PM BUT GIVING YOU AN IDEA WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM.
2:23:48PM IT'S GOT TO BE VERIFIABLE.
2:23:52PM THERE'S A THING I SAY IN HORSE RACING, TRUST BUT VERIFY.
2:23:58PM AND I LEARNED THAT IN THE OTHER JOB, BECAUSE PEOPLE TELL YOU
2:24:01PM THE TRUTH, OR HOW THEY INTERPRET IT TO BE TRUTH TRUTHFUL,
2:24:05PM AND WHEN THEY TELL YOU, WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THIS HAS GOT TO
2:24:10PM BE DONE IN A MANNERISM WHERE WE WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE TO HAVE
2:24:15PM A PLACE TO LIVE.
2:24:16PM THERE'S NO DOUBT.
2:24:17PM NONE OF US HERE ARE AGAINST THAT.
2:24:19PM HOWEVER, WE WANT TO VERIFY ALL THE FACTS BEFORE WE LET
2:24:23PM SOMETHING START, BECAUSE ONCE YOU LET THE HORSE OUT OF THE
2:24:26PM CORRAL, THAT HORSE IS NOT COME BACK.
2:24:29PM AND WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SURE
2:24:32PM THAT THE CITY IS RUN THE RIGHT WAY.
2:24:34PM AND IT'S GOT TO BE WHERE EVERYTHING IS VERIFIABLE AND IT'S
2:24:39PM NOT GO IN A WAY, SO MUCH, OKAY, FINE.
2:24:43PM BUT THESE THINGS, IT'S GOING TO BE A CATASTROPHE WE ARE
2:24:49PM GOING TO HAVE BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER PART.
2:24:51PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I LIVE IN, I GUESS EVERYBODY IS
2:24:53PM RELATED.
2:24:56PM THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
2:24:58PM I THINK YOU GOT THE DRIFT OF THE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:24:59PM AND I'M SORRY IS THE I IN ANY WAY HAMPERED YOU ARE -- I AM
2:25:05PM NOT TRYING TO DISRUPT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.
2:25:07PM I AM TRYING TO VERIFY TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY THAT
2:25:10PM DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT WE HAVE DO GET ANOTHER DEAL TO FIND OUT
2:25:13PM WHAT IT'S WORTH AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO ON
2:25:17PM THE PROPERTY, PRIVATE PROPERTY.
2:25:19PM BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:25:20PM I APPRECIATE IT.
2:25:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:25:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL BE VERY SHORT.
2:25:25PM I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF LOOKING IF WE CAN DO IT.
2:25:31PM BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE DO IT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE
2:25:34PM TO MAKE SURE TO HAVE CONTINUED OVERSIGHT AND REVISIT IT FOR
2:25:38PM ANY EXCESSES, OR NEED FOR MODIFICATION.
2:25:43PM THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUS.
2:25:45PM THE OTHER THING I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN IS WHAT THE
2:25:47PM COMMUNITY THINGS.
2:25:48PM SO I DO LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM FOLKS OUT THERE TODAY.
2:25:51PM THANK YOU.
2:25:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
2:25:54PM IF ANYONE IS GOING TO -- I'M SORRY, FINISH YOUR
2:25:58PM PRESENTATION.
2:25:58PM >> KIM HEADLAND: I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, VERY WELL
2:26:04PM TAKEN, AND HE CAN TAKE THIS AND ANY INFORMATION WE HEAR
2:26:08PM TODAY BACK TO THE PARTNERSHIP.
2:26:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. HEADLAND.
2:26:18PM IF ANYBODY IS IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, PLEASE
2:26:21PM FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
2:26:23PM AND NOT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GO OVER THERE.
2:26:25PM ONE PERSON CAN STAND AT THE POT YUM AND MAKE THE FIRST
2:26:29PM STATEMENTS.
2:26:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE GOT THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN
2:26:35PM COUNCILMAN'S DAUGHTER HERE TODAY.
2:26:40PM MS. HARVEY.
2:26:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:26:44PM >> I'M JIM HARWOOD, 2002 EAST LEMON STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
2:26:51PM I AM ALSO THE OWNER OF A COMMERCIAL CENTER AT 2409 EAST LAKE
2:26:57PM AVENUE.
2:26:59PM IT POTENTIALLY HAS FIVE COMMERCIAL SPACES, TWO RESIDENTIAL
2:27:05PM SPACES, IT'S AN AREA THAT'S BEEN SERVING THE COMMUNITY SINCE
2:27:09PM THE 1950s.
2:27:11PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO
2:27:17PM ADDING EAST LAKE AVENUE BETWEEN, SAY, 22ND STREET TO
2:27:23PM 34th STREET, AS A PART OF THE AREA WHERE YOU CAN HAVE
2:27:27PM REDUCTION IN PARKING, POTENTIALLY REDUCTION IN RETENTION,
2:27:31PM BECAUSE THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA THAT'S
2:27:38PM REALLY WITH COMMERCIAL SERVICES ARE REALLY NONEXISTENT.
2:27:42PM WE SERVE THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OVER ON EAST LAKE AVENUE,
2:27:51PM AND WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGED, OR CURRENTLY BEING ENGAGED IN
2:27:55PM REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA.
2:27:57PM AND I THINK IT WOULD HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT GIVEN THE
2:28:02PM LACK OF COMMERCIAL SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY.
2:28:06PM THANK YOU.
2:28:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:28:12PM >> TIMES HAVE CHANGED.
2:28:14PM I REMEMBER WHEN I USED TO GO TO MR. HARVEY'S STORE.
2:28:23PM THEY WERE A VITAL PART OF THAT COMMUNITY.
2:28:24PM OKAY.
2:28:26PM I'M HERE WITH THREE OF MY NEIGHBORS.
2:28:29PM TWO OF THEM ACTUALLY.
2:28:32PM WE ARE ALL PROPERTY OWNERS.
2:28:35PM SOME OF THE HOUSES --
2:28:37PM >> COULD I HAVE YOUR NAME, PLEASE?
2:28:38PM >> I'M SONYA HARVEY McCOY.
2:28:43PM I THOUGHT -- I APOLOGIZE.
2:28:47PM IN ONE CASE, I BELIEVE THAT FAMILY HAS BEEN IN THAT HOUSE
2:28:50PM ABOUT 80 YEARS?
2:28:54PM A LONG TIME.
2:28:55PM I HAVE BEEN IN MY HOUSE SINCE I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD.
2:28:58PM OKAY.
2:28:58PM I'M 70 NOW.
2:29:01PM OKAY.
2:29:03PM IT IS MY FAMILY HOUSE.
2:29:05PM THE LADY BEHIND ME, THEIR HOUSE HAS BEEN IN HER FAMILY I
2:29:10PM KNOW A GOOD 60, 70, 80 YEARS.
2:29:14PM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ADUs, THEY ARE NOT BENEFICIAL IN OUR
2:29:19PM AREA.
2:29:19PM AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY.
2:29:22PM IN MY AREA, MY NEIGHBORS DO WELL WITH THEIR YARDS.
2:29:29PM THE ISSUES WE HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOW ARE PEOPLE THAT
2:29:33PM DO NOT OWN HOMES.
2:29:37PM WHEN YOU ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR MONEY, WE LOVE
2:29:41PM WHERE WE STAY, OKAY.
2:29:43PM WE LOVE IT TO THE POINT I -- YOU IMAGINE PEOPLE WHO DON'T
2:29:49PM LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE NO HISTORY, OR SOMEONE
2:29:53PM WHO BUYS THE HOUSE, SIMPLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF RENTING IT,
2:29:59PM YOU ARE GOING TO HURT THOSE OF US THAT ARE TRYING TO
2:30:03PM MAINTAIN.
2:30:07PM I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
2:30:10PM MY SON AND MY NIECE AND NEPHEW SAID I WAS CRAZY, OKAY?
2:30:17PM YOU HAVE GOT TO KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY.
2:30:18PM YOU HAVE GOT TO KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY.
2:30:21PM IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, IT WILL CHANGE THE
2:30:24PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
2:30:26PM NOW, I WANT TO SAY, WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE HOMELESS
2:30:30PM IN THAT AREA.
2:30:32PM OKAY.
2:30:34PM AND WE FOUGHT THAT.
2:30:42PM SO YOU CAN'T TELL ME IN HONESTY THAT THESE RESIDENCES WERE
2:30:48PM NOT BUILT UP, PEOPLE WILL BUY THEM FOR INVESTMENT PROPERTY,
2:30:53PM AND NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT IT.
2:30:55PM THANK YOU.
2:30:56PM HAVE A GOOD DAY.
2:30:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:30:58PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
2:31:10PM ALISON HEWITT AGAIN, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
2:31:14PM I WANT TO SAY THAT THE COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO
2:31:20PM MAKE SURE THAT COMMITTEE IS COORDINATED ON ISSUES, AND SO
2:31:23PM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CHAIR, WE ATTENDED AND HAD
2:31:27PM CO-MEETINGS, SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THIS.
2:31:32PM SO ADUs WERE ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT HAD THE -- THEY
2:31:42PM COME TOGETHER AND SUPPORT.
2:31:44PM I SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I AM A THIRD GENERATION.
2:31:47PM MY MOTHER IS ACTUALLY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND SHE WAS IN
2:31:53PM THE HOUSE 59 NOW?
2:31:54PM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE MEETINGS WAS THAT
2:31:59PM A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE AGING AND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET
2:32:03PM THEIR KIDS BACK, AND THEY DON'T REALLY WANT TO LEAVE THE
2:32:07PM HOUSE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THE BIG HOUSE.
2:32:09PM SO A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME TO THE COMMITTEE LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN
2:32:12PM MOVE OUR PARENTS INTO A SMALLER HOUSE, ON THE PROPERTY, TO
2:32:16PM BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM AND BEING ABLE TO KEEP THE
2:32:19PM GENERATIONAL CONVERSATION CAME UP A LOT IN OUR
2:32:23PM CONVERSATIONS, AND THEN THERE WERE THOSE WHO WANTED TO BE
2:32:26PM ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOME, BUT THERE WASN'T A LOT OF
2:32:32PM CONVERSATION ABOUT RENTING TO STRANGERS.
2:32:34PM THERE WERE A LOT OF FAMILY ORIENTED CONVERSATIONS THAT THE
2:32:39PM MEETINGS AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
2:32:40PM SO WE DO RECOMMEND AND HOPE THAT STRONG OVERSIGHT WITH THIS,
2:32:47PM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOT MANIPULATED IN A WAY THAT'S NOT
2:32:52PM GOOD FOR EAST TAMPA CRA, BUT KIM IS VERY PATIENT, BECAUSE WE
2:32:59PM HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS FROM THE COMMUNITY, LOTS
2:33:02PM OF VERIFICATION, AND WE HOPE FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
2:33:06PM THANK YOU.
2:33:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:33:09PM >> MY NAME IS ERNESTINE KEITH, AND I ALSO USED TO GO TO MR.
2:33:20PM HARVEY'S PROJECTS YEARS AGO.
2:33:22PM AND I AM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WITH MS. McCOY AND MS.
2:33:26PM JACKSON BEHIND ME, AND THEY HAVE BUILT TWO, TWO-STORY HOUSES
2:33:32PM NEXT TO MY HOUSE, AND THEY JUST MOVED IN THERE, PROBABLY
2:33:37PM BETWEEN APRIL AND JUNE OF THIS YEAR, AND THEY ARE ALREADY
2:33:41PM RENTING IT OUT.
2:33:42PM AND THEY HAVE ONE OF THE BIG PRIVACY FENCES UP TO MY CHAIN
2:33:47PM LINK FENCE, THAT I CANNOT SEE OVER, BUT I HAVE SEEN VAGRANTS
2:33:51PM BEFORE THEY MOVED IN THERE GO THROUGH THE FENCE, AND THEN
2:33:55PM COME OUT.
2:33:56PM AND NOW DURING THE STORM, A TREE HIT THE FENCE THAT KIND OF
2:34:02PM BROKE IT.
2:34:04PM , IT'S NOT FALLING APART YET BUT IT'S LEANING ON MY CHAIN
2:34:08PM LINK FENCE.
2:34:08PM THE OWNER DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
2:34:10PM I JUST SAW HIM THE OTHER DAY AND TOLD HIM.
2:34:12PM HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
2:34:13PM SO WHOEVER IS THIS PROPERTY'S MANAGER, THEY ARE NOT
2:34:16PM PROTECTING HIS PROPERTY.
2:34:17PM THEY ARE NOT INVESTIGATING OR KEEPING IT CLEAN.
2:34:19PM HE SAID THE BACKYARD WAS LIKE CRAP.
2:34:22PM AND EXCUSE MY EXPRESSION.
2:34:24PM BUT THE DECREE LIMB IS STILL HANGING DOWN.
2:34:29PM I PUSHED THE TREE LIMB OFF HIS FENCE SO IT WOULDN'T FINISH
2:34:34PM TEARING UP MY FENCE.
2:34:35PM SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN AIRBNB.
2:34:40PM I DON'T KNOW WHO THE PROPERTY MANAGER IS BUT I TOLD HIM YOU
2:34:43PM NEED TO CHECK WITH YOUR PROPERTY MANAGER BECAUSE THEY ARE
2:34:45PM NOT TEXTING THE PROPERTY AND THEY JUST BUILT THESE HOUSES
2:34:49PM THIS YEAR AND IT'S ALREADY BEING RENTED OUT, AND STRANGERS
2:34:51PM ARE COMING IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME, SITTING ON MY PRO WHERE
2:34:55PM I HAVE TO ASK THEM DON'T SIT ON MY PROPERTY AND SMOKE, THEY
2:34:59PM LEAVE ALL THEIR CIGARETTE BUTTS THERE.
2:35:01PM IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
2:35:03PM SO STRICT ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO REALLY BE CHECKED WITH THESE
2:35:09PM NEW HOMES COMING UP WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THEM,
2:35:13PM AND COME IN, THEY BUY THEM, STAY THERE THREE MONTHS AND THEY
2:35:16PM ARE GONE.
2:35:17PM THANK YOU.
2:35:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:35:21PM IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS?
2:35:23PM >> MY NAME IS DOLORES JACKSON.
2:35:32PM AND I HAVE TO CONFESS I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT AN ADU IS.
2:35:40PM I HAD THE IMPRESSION IT RELATES TO NEW BUILDINGS.
2:35:44PM MORE SO THAN GENERATIONAL HOMES.
2:35:49PM AND MAYBE I WILL FIND OUT.
2:35:53PM BUT I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN
2:35:58PM BUILDERS COMING INTO EAST TAMPA WHOSE BUILDING PRACTICES,
2:36:04PM ESPECIALLY WHERE I LIVE, 23rd STREET, HAS BROUGHT IN A
2:36:10PM WHOLE SET OF PROBLEMS, AND WE HAVE BEEN IN HOUR HOME SINCE
2:36:18PM THE 1950s.
2:36:19PM I WAS RAISED BY MY GRANDFATHER IN WHAT WE CALLED YBOR CITY
2:36:24PM AT THE TIME, NOW EAST TAMPA, IN THE 1950s, EARLY 60s.
2:36:28PM BUT NEVER IN ALL THESE YEARS HAVE I EXPERIENCED THE KIND OF
2:36:33PM PROBLEMS THAT I AM SEEING NOW THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO
2:36:38PM NEW CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING NEXT TO MY HOME.
2:36:43PM SOME OF THE BUILDERS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO IS OVERSEEING
2:36:49PM THEIR WORK, BECAUSE AT 2208 EAST 15th, THERE WAS A
2:36:55PM PORT-A-POTTY THERE.
2:36:59PM THE CONSTRUCTION STARTED, I THINK, IN LATE 2021, INTO 2022,
2:37:08PM AND THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON IT.
2:37:11PM BECAUSE THE BUILDER WOULD SEND WORKERS, AND THE WORKERS WERE
2:37:17PM RELEASED FOR TWO MONTHS.
2:37:19PM NOTHING HAPPENS.
2:37:20PM THE PORT-A-POTTY IS THERE.
2:37:23PM IT IS ALLURE FOR THE UNDESIRABLES, AS YOU KNOW, INHABIT THE
2:37:27PM AREA AROUND 15th AVENUE, 14th AVENUE, 22ND STREET,
2:37:33PM AND EXIT 1 OF I-4, THERE'S A BURGER KING AND A McDONALD'S
2:37:39PM THERE.
2:37:39PM YOU KNOW THE PROBLEMS THAT EXIST FROM.
2:37:41PM THE CITY.
2:37:41PM I DON'T MEAN YOU PERSONALLY.
2:37:43PM THE CITY IS AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS OF PANHANDLING.
2:37:48PM AND THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT COLLECT IN THAT AREA.
2:37:52PM I MENTION THIS BUILDER BECAUSE THE MERE FACT THAT HE DOESN'T
2:37:57PM LOCK THE PORT-A-POTTY INVITES THOSE CHARACTERS INTO THE
2:38:03PM PORT-A-POTTY ALL TIMES OF THE DAY OR NIGHT, DRUGS AND
2:38:08PM PROSTITUTION.
2:38:12PM SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ADUs AND FENCES AND SETBACKS AND
2:38:18PM TRANSPARENCIES, BUT THESE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS NEED TO BE
2:38:23PM HELD TO A STRICTER STANDARD WHEN THEY BRING THEIR CREWS INTO
2:38:26PM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY NEED THESE CONSTRUCTION SITES
2:38:31PM UNATTENDED, AND CERTAIN OF THE --
2:38:36PM [BELL SOUNDS]
2:38:37PM I GUESS THAT MEANS I HAVE TO STOP.
2:38:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 30 SECOND MORE, MA'AM.
2:38:44PM >> I WISH THERE WAS MORE OVERSIGHT ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS
2:38:48PM THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY HAVE INTRODUCED A WHOLE SET OF NEW
2:38:50PM PROBLEMS TO THE AREA CAUSING ME TO HAVE TO SELL A HOME THAT
2:38:53PM HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY.
2:38:56PM I AM A THIRD GENERATION.
2:38:57PM I WANTED TO LEAVE IT TO THE FIFTH GENERATION.
2:38:59PM THE FOURTH GENERAL, WANTS TO SELL IT.
2:39:03PM THE L THE FIFTH, I WOULD LIKE HER TO HAVE THE HOME.
2:39:05PM I'M THINKING OF SELLING MY HOME MERELY BECAUSE A NEW PROJECT
2:39:12PM WAS SET UP NEXT TO MY HOME UNDER BUILDING CONDITIONS THAT
2:39:19PM ARE JUST ATROCIOUS.
2:39:20PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
2:39:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
2:39:23PM IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
2:39:27PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:39:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS.
2:39:31PM YOU KNOW, AS THE CONVERSATIONS ARISE, OTHER THINGS COME INTO
2:39:35PM THE POT.
2:39:36PM AND MR. MANISCALCO BRAT IT UP.
2:39:47PM I DON'T KNOW IF ANY REGULATIONS CAN BE PUT ON THAT AS
2:39:53PM RELATES TO WHY CITY ORDINANCE, BUT IN THIS AIRBNB SITUATION.
2:40:03PM WE HAVE A REFERENCE TO OAK YOU PI, OR TALK ABOUT THESE
2:40:09PM ADUs IN COMMUNITIES TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE
2:40:11PM THINGS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE DISCUSSION.
2:40:15PM I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN HAVE OVERSIGHT.
2:40:19PM I NOTICE WE BROUGHT THE CONSTRUCTION STUFF.
2:40:21PM WE HAD ISSUES ABOUT CONSTRUCTION ALL YEAR LONG.
2:40:25PM SO THESE PORT-A-POTTIES, THEY DO ATTRACT PEOPLE.
2:40:35PM EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS TOTALLY CORRECT.
2:40:37PM I JUST THINK WE NEED TO FIND HOW THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT,
2:40:41PM SERVICES OR WHATEVER, TO FIND IDEAS IN REFERENCE TO
2:40:44PM ENFORCEMENT OF THE ADU, AIRBNB SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
2:40:49PM ARE NOT HAVING THAT TRANSIENT BEHAVIOR, LIKE MS. JACKSON
2:40:53PM FEELS THE SAME, BUT THEY GOT PEOPLE LIVING THERE, EVERY WEEK
2:40:59PM WE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM, SO I DO UNDERSTAND
2:41:02PM THAT.
2:41:02PM SO MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME STIPULATIONS THAT IT WILL NOT
2:41:09PM BE THAT KIND OF RESIDENCE AND SO FORTH.
2:41:13PM BUT I THINK NOW WITH THE CONVERSATION, TALKING ABOUT EAST
2:41:16PM TAMPA, SO THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS, YOU KNOW.
2:41:21PM AGAIN, IF YOU LOOKED AT SOME THINGS, AND MAYBE YOU CAN BRING
2:41:26PM SOME THINGS BACK TO ADD THESE RESTRICTIONS.
2:41:31PM ALSO, I WANT TO SEE -- I'M SURPRISED THAT LAKE WASN'T ADDED
2:41:37PM IN THERE, SO MAYBE LAKE CAN BE ADDED INTO TO THAT PROCESS IF
2:41:40PM IT'S NOT TOO LATE BECAUSE I THINK HE'S RIGHT.
2:41:43PM THAT ALL CONNECTS SOMETHING THERE.
2:41:44PM AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT WITH LAKE AVENUE CONNECTED FROM
2:41:47PM 15th STREET DOWN TO EAST 34th AT LEAST.
2:41:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. TRAVIS.
2:42:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
2:42:07PM THE BOSS HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
2:42:09PM >> THEN I AM GOING TO RECOGNIZE MRS. TRAVIS.
2:42:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
2:42:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. TRAVIS.
2:42:15PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN CITRO, VERY MUCH.
2:42:19PM SO JUST IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS THAT EAST 15th, WE
2:42:25PM WILL DEFINITELY HAVE OUR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TEAM GO OUT
2:42:28PM THERE AND LOOK INTO THAT.
2:42:29PM I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT YOU ARE HEARING ARE NOT
2:42:31PM NECESSARILY RELATED TO ADUs.
2:42:34PM IT'S THE TRANSIENT POPULATION THAT WE NEED TO GET OUR EYES
2:42:40PM ON ASSOCIATION WORK WITH BUILDING OFFICIALS AS WELL AS CODE
2:42:44PM ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES
2:42:47PM THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND THE SECURITY, TO COME INTO
2:42:58PM COMPLIANCE.
2:42:59PM I THINK THE ADUs IS A CONCERN, LATER WHAT WE DON'T WANT,
2:43:07PM BUT TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN GUDES EARLIER, WE HAVE A
2:43:09PM HOUSING CRISIS, AND SO GENERATIONAL LIVING OPTIONS AS WELL
2:43:16PM AS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY OWN TOP OF THE CODE
2:43:19PM ENFORCEMENT.
2:43:21PM SO I WILL DEFINITELY GET WITH THOSE TWO TEAMS, AND IF THERE
2:43:26PM ARE ANY POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING THE
2:43:29PM CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
2:43:32PM SO THANK YOU.
2:43:35PM >> COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:43:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK A COUPLE OF THINGS.
2:43:38PM I THINK WE ARE PREEMPTED BY THE STATE FROM REGULATING
2:43:42PM AIRBNBs.
2:43:43PM I THIS WE WOULD HAVE ISSUES THERE.
2:43:45PM SECOND, AN ADU MEANS A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE IN YOUR BACKYARD,
2:43:51PM KIND OF SITUATION, AND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN, WHAT WE ARE
2:43:53PM LOOKING AT IS YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE, AND THE OWNER
2:43:58PM HAS TO LIVE IN THE MAIN HOUSE.
2:44:00PM THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RENT THE UNIT, WHICH HAS A MAXIMUM, I
2:44:05PM DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IT HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, I FORGOT WHAT THE
2:44:08PM NUMBER WAS.
2:44:09PM BUT THEY CAN THEN RENT IT, THEN IF IT'S A CERTAIN SIZE, IT
2:44:14PM HAS TO HAVE A PARKING SPACE.
2:44:16PM IT WOULD BE LIKE A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE.
2:44:17PM BUT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
2:44:20PM IT CAN'T BE AN INVESTOR COMING IN AND BUYING ALL THE HOUSES
2:44:23PM ON THE STREET, RENTING OUT THE MAIN HOUSE, AND THEN THE
2:44:27PM PERSON WHO OWNS IT, JOHN SMITH, LIVES IN THAT HOUSE AND RENT
2:44:31PM IT.
2:44:31PM IN REGARDS TO THE PORT-O-LETS AND THE CONSTRUCTION SITE, I
2:44:37PM TALKED TO A POLICE OFFICER TUESDAY.
2:44:38PM THIS IS OVER ON COLUMBUS AND FLORIDA SO I AM ASSUMING HE'S
2:44:41PM IN THAT AREA.
2:44:42PM BUT THEY HAD A CALL THE OTHER DAY WHERE THEY HAD A DECEASED
2:44:46PM MAIL IN A LOT OH LET AND IT WASN'T SOMEONE WORKING ON THAT
2:44:50PM CONSTRUCTION SITE.
2:44:51PM IT WAS A RANDOM INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY FOUND.
2:44:54PM SO YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT, TOO.
2:44:56PM SO IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE GOING IN.
2:44:59PM NOW YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS DISEASED IN THERE. BUT MS.
2:45:04PM TRAVIS RESPONDED TO THAT, AND SPEAKING WITH MR. HUTCHINSON
2:45:12PM AND THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WHATNOT.
2:45:15PM SHE'S AWARE OF THAT.
2:45:16PM THANK YOU.
2:45:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?
2:45:19PM MS. DOCK?
2:45:23PM MS. HEADLEY, I SAW YOU WAVING YOUR HAND. IS THERE SOMETHING
2:45:26PM ELSE US WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
2:45:27PM >> KIM: IT I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONS REGARDING
2:45:33PM LAKE AVENUE.
2:45:34PM AND I DIDN'T GET TOO FAR INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE CODE
2:45:37PM LANGUAGE, BUT THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS IN THE NONRESIDENTIAL
2:45:40PM THAT DEAL WITH PARKING INCENTIVES.
2:45:43PM ONE RELATED TO THE MAIN STREETS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS PART
2:45:47PM OF THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.
2:45:48PM THE OTHER WAS ALL OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES THAT
2:45:55PM LIKE THE LAKE AVENUE STRUCTURES THAT WOULD ALSO, FOR THEIR
2:46:00PM ADAPTIVE REUSE OR EVEN JUST CONTINUED USE, WOULD HAVE
2:46:03PM PARKING INCENTIVES IN PLACE.
2:46:05PM SO I THINK LAKE AVENUE IN THAT SENSE WOULD BE COVERED.
2:46:09PM THE ADUs, I THINK COUNCILMAN TOUCHED ON ALMOST, WE HAD
2:46:14PM THIS DISCUSSION AT LENGTH DURING A FEW OF THE EARLIER PUBLIC
2:46:18PM MEETINGS REGARDING THE ADUs THIS YEAR, WITH THIS BROADER
2:46:24PM OVERLAY DISCUSSION.
2:46:25PM IT WAS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, EAST TAMPA, OWNER OCCUPIED
2:46:31PM PROPERTIES.
2:46:31PM SO YOU WEREN'T HAVING AN INVESTOR THAT THEN CREATED A
2:46:34PM DUPLEX.
2:46:35PM ALTHOUGH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK 2012 TAKEN FROM THE
2:46:39PM COMMUNITY AND FROM COUNCIL HERE TODAY, AND I THINK MS. DOCK
2:46:42PM WILL BE ABLE TO OUTLINE HOW WE CAN GO BACK AND DISCUSS
2:46:46PM THOSE, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AS INFORMED AS POSSIBLE GOING
2:46:51PM FORWARD.
2:46:52PM I WOULD ALSO, JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, THAT SINCE 2016, THAT
2:46:59PM SIX YEARS OF AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER COMMUNITY
2:47:05PM EFFORT, MEETING AFTER MEETING AFTER MEETING, AND LOTS OF
2:47:09PM FOLKS DIGGING IN AND LEARNING THE ZONING CODE LANGUAGE THAT
2:47:14PM ISN'T ALWAYS THE EASIEST.
2:47:16PM I JUST THINK KUDOS TO MR. McCRARY, EAST TAMPA, THAT HAS
2:47:24PM LISTENED AND PARTICIPATED THE LAST SIX YEARS TO KIND OF
2:47:27PM BRING THESE ISSUES, TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE THAT, BECAUSE IT
2:47:30PM HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE EAST TAMPA CRA WAS CREATED.
2:47:33PM SO KUDOS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR KIND OF DIGGING IN AND
2:47:38PM STICKING WITH IT FOR SIX YEARS.
2:47:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:47:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM GOING TO THINK ABOUT THIS, WHAT IF?
2:47:49PM WOO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT?
2:47:52PM LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
2:47:54PM VERY NICE PEOPLE, THEY BUY A HOUSE, AND THEY DON'T LIVE ON
2:47:59PM THE PROPERTY ANY LONGER.
2:48:00PM THEY LIVED THERE FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS OF THE EVERYTHING IS
2:48:03PM BEAUTIFUL.
2:48:05PM PART OF THEM GET A HANKERING TO SELL THE HOUSE.
2:48:12PM WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT?
2:48:14PM WE DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW WHY?
2:48:15PM BECAUSE WE DON'T KEEP A RECORD OF IT.
2:48:18PM MANY YEARS AGO WE HAD SOME SWALES IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES SO
2:48:23PM THE WATER WOULD BE RETAINED ON THAT PROPERTY.
2:48:24PM ALL OF A SUDDEN, I BUY IT, AND MY WIFE AND I, I DON'T HAVE A
2:48:30PM WIFE BUT I SAY MY WIFE AND I ARE THERE AND EVERYTHING IS
2:48:32PM COPACETIC, AND I SELL TO MR. aND MRS. X FIVE YEARS LATER.
2:48:39PM THEY MOVE IN. EVERYTHING IS FINE.
2:48:40PM HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THOSE SWALES, I WANT TO
2:48:46PM PLANT SOME FLOWERS.
2:48:47PM GUESS WHAT HAPPENS?
2:48:48PM THEY TAKE THE SWALE OUT TO PLANT FLOWERS.
2:48:59PM NOW THE FLOODING START.
2:49:00PM HOW DO I STOP IT?
2:49:06PM THEY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED.
2:49:07PM THAT'S NOT THERE.
2:49:11PM WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
2:49:12PM WHAT I AM SAYING IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE THE REST OF
2:49:15PM US, I GUESS, AND I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR THEM, I WANT TO MAKE
2:49:18PM SURE THAT WHAT HAPPENS HERE STAYS THERE FOREVER.
2:49:22PM I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IF.
2:49:25PM BECAUSE WHAT IF IS TOO LATE TO HAVE ALL OF US INCLUDED.
2:49:28PM AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO AVOID.
2:49:31PM I WANT TO HAVE MORE HOUSING THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
2:49:34PM BUT I DO NOT WANT ONE IOTA THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE WITHOUT
2:49:39PM SOMEBODY KNOWING ABOUT IT.
2:49:40PM AND THERE IS WHERE WE HAVE THE PROBLEM.
2:49:43PM NOT IN THE MECHANISM BUT IN THE WHAT-IFS.
2:49:47PM AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:49:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:49:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND AGAIN, I AM NOT A PROPERTY APPRAISER
2:49:54PM OR TAX COLLECTOR, BUT WHAT IF, WHAT IF A PERSON APPLIES FOR
2:49:59PM THIS SPECIAL USE, RECORD AT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE,
2:50:06PM AND THAT WAY WE KNOW IF IT'S SOLD OR RESOLD, IT STILL HAS TO
2:50:10PM BE MAINTAINED AS THAT.
2:50:11PM IS THAT POSSIBLE?
2:50:15PM >>LACHONE DOCK: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
2:50:17PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, THAT MAY -- THAT WOULD BE HARD TO TRACK.
2:50:24PM THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
2:50:27PM OFFICE, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE
2:50:29PM RECORDED OUTSIDE OF THAT REALM.
2:50:32PM SO IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER.
2:50:36PM BUT I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KNOW
2:50:39PM AND THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WE HEAR YOU, WE HEAR YOUR CONCERNS.
2:50:43PM I HAVE SPOKEN WITH KIM.
2:50:45PM WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THE ADU LANGUAGE FROM I KNOW FROM THE
2:50:49PM REQUEST.
2:50:49PM THEY ARE GOING TO DO FURTHER OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, COME
2:50:52PM BACK TO YOU BY FIRST READING TO LET YOU KNOW THE OUTREACH
2:50:56PM WHICH HAS OCCURRED, HOW MANY MEETINGS WERE HELD, AND ALSO
2:50:59PM PROVIDE YOU WITH THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK REGARDING THE ADU
2:51:02PM LANGUAGE.
2:51:02PM SO THAT WAY, BY THE TIME WE ARE BACK AT FIRST READING,
2:51:06PM COUNCIL, YOU WILL HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON THE LARGER
2:51:09PM PICTURE OF THE ADUs AND HAVE VOTED ON RECOMMENDED
2:51:14PM STANDARDS FOR THOSE ADUs.
2:51:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU LOOK INTO THAT WHAT MR. MIRANDA IS
2:51:23PM TALKING ABOUT, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO BLOCK THAT JUST IN
2:51:27PM CASE?
2:51:29PM >>LACHONE DOCK: CERTAINLY, COUNCIL.
2:51:31PM YES.
2:51:32PM AND LEGAL IS HERE AND SHAKING HER HEAD, YES.
2:51:35PM THEY CAN LOOK INTO IT.
2:51:36PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING.
2:51:39PM THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE ON HOLD TILL FURTHER OUTREACH OCCURS.
2:51:44PM AND THEN WE WILL REPORT THAT BACK TO YOU.
2:51:46PM THE APPLICANT WILL AT THE TIME OF FIRST READING.
2:51:48PM WE CAN ALSO MOVE FIRST READING BACK A MONTH OR SO IF NEEDED
2:51:52PM JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE, WE HAVE THE MESSAGE OUT,
2:51:56PM EVERYONE HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF ADUs.
2:52:01PM AND WITH THAT, COUNCIL, IF IT IS YOUR DESIRE, WITH THAT
2:52:05PM UNDERSTANDING --
2:52:07PM >> I APOLOGIZE.
2:52:08PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:52:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST 2022 SAY THANKS TO ALL OF OUR
2:52:13PM GUESTS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
2:52:14PM THANKS FOR ALL YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR FEEDBACK.
2:52:16PM THE ONLY WAY WE CAN MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER IS TO LISTEN
2:52:19PM TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE WE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY SO
2:52:21PM WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE.
2:52:23PM THE SECOND THING ARE R, BUT YESTERDAY I TALKED TO A COUPLE
2:52:26PM OF ATTORNEYS, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT DESPITE THE STATE
2:52:31PM PREEMPTION ON AIRBNBs THERE MUST BE SOME WAY TO SET UP
2:52:36PM THESE ADUs TO NOT ALLOW THEM.
2:52:38PM FOR EXAMPLE, I BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ABOUT HOMESTEADED
2:52:43PM PROPERTIES, AND IF IT IS REQUIRED THERE.
2:52:46PM I DOESN'T NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW BUT I WONDER IF THERE'S
2:52:48PM SOME CATEGORY WE CAN SET UP FOR THE ADUs WOULD THAT WOULD
2:52:52PM QUALIFY FOR THE AIRBNBs IV BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT
2:52:57PM ANOTHER TIME.
2:52:58PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THANK YOU.
2:53:00PM SO YES, WE WOULD MOVE THIS TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR
2:53:03PM PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW AND PUBLIC INPUT.
2:53:07PM THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.
2:53:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
2:53:10PM MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:53:12PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:53:15PM MS. DOCK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT AND EVERYBODY
2:53:19PM INVOLVED, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND EXPRESSING YOUR
2:53:21PM CONCERNS AND YOUR COMMENTS.
2:53:23PM THANK YOU.
2:53:23PM >>LACHONE DOCK: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
2:53:28PM WE HAVE THE LAST PART OF THE INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT FOR
2:53:31PM YOU TODAY.
2:53:33PM THIS REQUEST IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
2:53:35PM DISTRICT PERIPHERY.
2:53:40PM THIS REQUEST IS AGAIN A PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT, AND
2:53:44PM OF COURSE WHICH IS ONE OF THE TWO AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PART
2:53:47PM OF THE JANUARY 2022 AMENDMENT CYCLE.
2:53:50PM THE APPLICANT IS TYLER HUDSON.
2:53:52PM THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THREE SECTIONS OF THE CODE, ONE
2:53:56PM RELATING TO THE OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES, THE LOADING
2:53:59PM SPACES, AND ALSO THE LANDSCAPE AREA AND TREE PLANTING
2:54:06PM REQUIREMENT.
2:54:08PM IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT
2:54:10PM WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED ON THIS MAP.
2:54:13PM WHICH IS BOUNDED BY NORTHEAST PALM AVENUE TO THE NORTH,
2:54:16PM BOULEVARD IS THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, AND THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY
2:54:20PM JOGS TO FOURTH AVENUE.
2:54:24PM SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE ALL PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN THAT
2:54:27PM AREA.
2:54:28PM SO THE REQUEST WOULD AMEND THE PARKING STANDARD FOR
2:54:30PM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY USES, AND THIS WOULD AMEND TO THE
2:54:34PM ONE SPACE PER UNIT.
2:54:36PM THIS WOULD REMOVE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
2:54:39PM THIS ALSO WOULD ALLOW FOR PARKING TRADEOFFS.
2:54:41PM SO THIS THEY'RE WOULD BE A FOOTNOTE ADD IN THE PARKING TABLE
2:54:45PM AS IT EXISTS TODAY AND IT WOULD REFERENCE THE CBD PERIPHERY
2:54:49PM WITH THOSE STANDARDS.
2:54:50PM IN ADDITION TO THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND HOW THEY ARE
2:54:54PM CALCULATED.
2:54:55PM SO WHAT I AM GOING TO TURN DO IS TURN IT OVER TO TYLER
2:54:58PM HUDSON.
2:54:59PM TYLER HUDSON AND ALEX SCHALER ARE ON THE LINE VIRTUALLY.
2:55:05PM AND THEY ARE THE APPLICANTS AND THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR
2:55:08PM YOU TODAY.
2:55:09PM AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
2:55:11PM >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
2:55:16PM THANK YOU, MS. DOCK.
2:55:17PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE.
2:55:23PM IT IS JUST ME TODAY.
2:55:24PM TYLER WILL NOT BE ATTENDING.
2:55:27PM I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO PULL UP.
2:55:37PM CAN YOU ALL SEE THIS PowerPoint?
2:55:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
2:55:43PM CAN YOU ENLARGE IT?
2:55:45PM >> YES.
2:55:48PM THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT.
2:55:52PM IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR AND THIS IS DIRECTLY IN RELATION TO
2:55:55PM CBD PERIPHERY.
2:55:58PM AND BEFORE I DIVE INTO THE PRESENTATION I WANT TO DO A
2:56:00PM LITTLE BIT OF A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON WHY WE ARE SUBMITTING
2:56:03PM THIS REQUEST AND KIND OF THE BASIS FOR THIS AMENDMENT.
2:56:05PM THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING APPLICATION.
2:56:08PM IT'S MORE RETROACTIVE IN NATURE, SO AS WE HAD TIME TO
2:56:11PM REFLECT THAT, A LOOT OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE
2:56:14PM YOU IN THE CBD PERIPHERY YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT MANY OF
2:56:17PM THEM HAD THE SAME SIX OR SEVEN WAIVERS.
2:56:20PM THOSE WAIVERS RELATING TO URBAN DEVELOPMENT.
2:56:23PM AND WE EXPECT FUTURE PROJECTS WILL CONTAIN SIMILAR WAIVERS
2:56:27PM SO THIS SEEMED LIKE A WORTHWHILE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE LAST
2:56:32PM CYCLE OF PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO BETTER ASSESS SOME OF THE
2:56:38PM DEVELOPMENT IN THE CBD PERIPHERY, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY
2:56:41PM BELIEVE THAT THIS AMENDMENT WILL ELIMINATE OR NECESSARILY
2:56:45PM REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PDS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU BUT WE DO THINK
2:56:49PM IT WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF WAIVER REQUESTS ASSOCIATED WITH
2:56:52PM EACH OF THOSE PDS.
2:56:55PM SO THE CBD PERIPHERY IS RECOGNIZED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
2:57:00PM PLAN.
2:57:00PM AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY IS PALM,
2:57:03PM WRAPS AROUND NEBRASKA, DOWN 15th, THEN DOWN AROUND THE
2:57:07PM SOUTHERN PART OF HARBOR ISLAND, COPYING BACK UP AROUND NORTH
2:57:11PM BOULEVARD.
2:57:11PM AND THE CBD PERIPHERY, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS,
2:57:15PM PROJECTS LOCATED WITHIN THIS SPECIFIC AREA ARE PERMITTED TO
2:57:17PM DOUBLE THEIR DENSITY.
2:57:19PM SO AN EXAMPLE 3.5 F.A.R., THEY COULD PERMIT UP TO 7 WITH
2:57:25PM BONUS PROVISIONS BEING MET.
2:57:27PM SO IN THE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD ATTACHED TO THE CODE TODAY,
2:57:34PM IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF CODE,
2:57:37PM GREEN SPACE, AND BUFFERING.
2:57:40PM SO WE WANT TO START THIS OFF BY SUMMARIZING THIS LANGUAGE,
2:57:46PM AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, BUT TO SHORTEN THIS WE
2:57:50PM ARE ESSENTIALLY PROPOSING THAT THE PARKING RATIOS AND THE
2:57:53PM CBD PERIPHERY MATCH THE PARKING RATIOS FOR PROJECTS LOCATED
2:57:57PM IN THE CBD.
2:57:59PM FOR A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR BEHIND THE SPECIFIC REQUEST, AS
2:58:01PM YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE HAVE SEEN RECENTLY, A LOT
2:58:05PM OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CBD PERIPHERY AND A LOT OF THESE
2:58:08PM PROJECTS CLOSELY MIRROR THE PROJECTS IN THE CBD IN TERMS OF
2:58:12PM PROJECT NATURE.
2:58:13PM SO WE ARE SEEING HIGH DENSITY, WE ARE SEEING OFFICE, WE ARE
2:58:17PM SEEING A LOT OF PROJECTS, MIXED USE IN NATURE, AND SEEING
2:58:22PM EXTENSIVE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, AND AS WE MOVE TO
2:58:27PM CREATING GOALS THAT ARE WALKABILITY AND TRANSIT ORIENTED AND
2:58:31PM BIKE TRAVEL, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UPDATE THE CODE TO
2:58:34PM SUPPORT THIS.
2:58:36PM THE SECOND PART OF THE REQUEST WE HAVE IS IN RELATION TO
2:58:39PM VISITOR PARKING SPECIFICALLY, AND THE PARKING VISITOR
2:58:45PM PARKING IN THE CBD PERIPHERY.
2:58:48PM THIS IS ALREADY DONE IN A HOST OF OTHER DISTRICTS, YBOR
2:58:51PM CITY, DOWNTOWN, SO THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ESSENTIALLY TAKE
2:58:55PM THOSE OTHER POCKETS THROUGHOUT THE CBD PERIPHERY AND BRING
2:58:58PM THOSE UP TO THE SAME REQUIREMENT AS NO VISITOR PARKING.
2:59:04PM AND THE LAST PARKING AMENDMENT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS IN
2:59:07PM RELATION TO ON-STREET PARKING AND TO ALLOW ANY PARALLEL
2:59:10PM PARKING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PRIVATE ON STREET, 25%
2:59:16PM OF THE REQUIRED PARKING COUNT FOR THE PROJECT, AND AGAIN
2:59:18PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND BECAUSE WE SEE IT OFTEN, AND
2:59:21PM CURRENTLY WHENEVER YOU SUBMIT FOR A REZONING APPLICATION ON
2:59:24PM THAT SITE PLAN, IF YOU HAVE PARALLEL PARKING PROPOSED, IT
2:59:27PM CAN BE SHOWN, BUT IT HAS TO BE SHADED BACK AND HAS TO BE
2:59:32PM KNOWN THAT IT DOES NOT COUNT FOR THE OVERALL PARKING COUNT
2:59:35PM REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT.
2:59:39PM THOSE ARE DIFFERENT FROM ON-STREET PARKING AND FROM A
2:59:44PM TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT, TRAFFIC CALMING IS GOING TO BE --
2:59:48PM BUFFERING FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
2:59:50PM SPEAKING LOGISTICALLY, PROVIDING MORE ON-STREET VERSUS IN
2:59:54PM THE GARAGE.
2:59:54PM AND PERHAPS KNOW THE MOST IMPORTANT IS EASIER ACCESS TO
2:59:58PM GROUND FLOOR, SO THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE IS NOT EVERY
3:00:03PM PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL HAS AT
3:00:05PM LEAST A COMPONENT OF GROUND FLOOR, OFFICE USE, RESIDENTIAL
3:00:11PM USE IN THE CODE.
3:00:12PM SO BY PROVIDING THIS PARALLEL PARKING ON STREET, IT'S JUST
3:00:15PM EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS, AND IT ACTIVATES THE STREET
3:00:20PM LEVEL, EASIER TO PULL INTO A PARALLEL SPOT AS OPPOSED TO
3:00:25PM PULLING INTO A GARAGE.
3:00:26PM SO MOVING ON FOR PARKING, I THINK YOU ALL ARE INCREDIBLY
3:00:32PM FAMILIAR WITH THESE WAIVERS THAT WE TYPICALLY REQUEST.
3:00:34PM SO THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
3:00:38PM THE CBD PERIPHERY IS ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE LOADING BERTH
3:00:42PM PER ELEMENT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBER AND TO ALLOW THAT
3:00:46PM SINGLE BERTH TO BE ACCESSED WITH MORE OF ONE CONTINUOUS
3:00:50PM MANEUVER.
3:00:50PM THIS IS INSPIRED FROM THE WESTSHORE MARINA DISTRICT AND WE
3:00:56PM DO PROPOSE A DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE CBD
3:00:59PM PERIPHERY MORE DENSE IN THE WESTSHORE, BUT BEHIND THIS
3:01:06PM LOADING REDUCTION.
3:01:07PM IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW, TOO, THAT PROJECTS IN THE ACTUAL
3:01:10PM CBD, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE HELD TO THE SAME LOADING STANDARD AS
3:01:14PM A GENERAL CODE, THEY ARE OFTEN REDUCED THROUGHOUT THE DBR
3:01:19PM PROCESS, SO I GUESS IT WOULD REQUIRE ACTUAL WAIVER AS
3:01:23PM SOMETHING THAT'S APPROVED DURING THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN
3:01:26PM PROCESS SPECIFIC TO THE CBD.
3:01:29PM THE NEXT SECTION IS IN RELATION TO GREEN SPACE, AND THIS IS
3:01:34PM A LITTLE TECHNICAL AND I WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME.
3:01:38PM IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTICE THAT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY KIND
3:01:40PM OF REDUCTION IN GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CBD
3:01:44PM PERIPHERY, OR JUST AN APPLICATION OF ONE ACROSS THE BOARD.
3:01:48PM SO CURRENTLY THE WAY THE ROAD READS, IT'S MULTIFAMILY
3:01:52PM GREATER THAN SIX OR GREATER FLOORS, IS PERMITTED TO USE A
3:01:56PM PERCENTAGE CALCULATION TO CALCULATE THE AMOUNT OF GREEN
3:01:59PM SPACE THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ON-SITE.
3:02:01PM SO THOSE THAT ARE LESS THAN SIX STORIES IN HEIGHT ARE HELD
3:02:05PM TO A GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, AND SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING
3:02:09PM WITH THIS AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO REQUIRE A PERCENTAGE
3:02:13PM CALCULATION TO BE APPLIED TO MOST FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN
3:02:16PM THE CBD REGARDLESS OF HOW TALL THE BUILDING S.AND I HAVE A
3:02:21PM GRAPHIC SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT
3:02:24PM VISUAL ILLUSTRATION, ESSENTIALLY HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE IS
3:02:27PM REQUIRED, ON THE CALCULATION BASIS.
3:02:31PM THAT YOU HAVE GREEN BOX IN THE TOP RIGHT WHICH IS
3:02:33PM ESSENTIALLY A GREEN PARCEL.
3:02:36PM THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT FROM THE PARCEL AREA.
3:02:39PM ON THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT SHOWN THERE.
3:02:41PM THEN YOU MULTIPLY THAT AT 30%.
3:02:44PM SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE LOWER GREEN IMAGE ON THE
3:02:50PM IS ESSENTIALLY THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO
3:02:52PM PROVIDE BASED OFF OF THAT TO GREEN BOX.
3:02:56PM USING THIS PERCENTAGE CALCULATION.
3:02:58PM SO SOMETIME LIKE I SAID, 30%, RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER, GIVEN
3:03:05PM THE ENACT THIS IS DEVELOPMENT IN THE CBD PERIPHERY.
3:03:10PM SO ALTHOUGH THIS IS A LITTLE TECHNICAL BUT I THINK IT'S A
3:03:15PM GOOD RENTAL PROPERTY REPRESENTATION, FOR SOME OF THE
3:03:18PM DEFICIENCIES IN THE CURRENT CODE, IN USING THAT CURRENT
3:03:21PM CALCULATION CURRENTLY REQUIRED FOR BUILDINGS, FIVE STORIES
3:03:25PM OR BELOW, YOU WOULD TAKE THE NUMBER OF UNITS SUCH AS 100
3:03:28PM UNITS, MULTIPLIED BY 750 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, THAT'S THE
3:03:32PM CURRENT GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR PROJECTS THAT, AND YOU
3:03:37PM ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 1.7 ACRES OF REQUIRED GREEN SPACE.
3:03:41PM MOVING ON TO 200 UNITS, STILL NORMAL PROPOSAL IN THE CBD
3:03:46PM PERIPHERY REQUIRING ABOUT 3.4 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE.
3:03:50PM AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU GET TO 300 UNITS, WHICH IS A
3:03:53PM MODERATE AMOUNT OF DENSITY PROPOSED, WITHIN A CBD PERIPHERY,
3:03:56PM THEY INCLUDED ON MANY OF OUR PROJECTS, REQUIRE 225,000
3:04:00PM SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER FIVE
3:04:03PM ACRES.
3:04:03PM SO SPEAKING LOGICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY PROJECTS IN
3:04:08PM THE CBD PERIPHERY THAT INCLUDES A TOTAL AREA OF FIVE ACRES
3:04:13PM LET ALONE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE ACRES SET ASIDE FOR GREEN
3:04:16PM SPACE.
3:04:16PM SO THE THEORY THINNED IS YOU CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGE
3:04:19PM CALCULATION TABLE THAT'S INCLUDED BELOW. IN IS BASED OFF OF
3:04:22PM THE PROJECTS GIVEN THE POPULATION IS THE PLANNED AREA, AND
3:04:30PM SPECIFIC TO A CERTAIN SITE.
3:04:31PM I JUST WANTED TO GIVE EXAMPLES UTILIZING A RANGE OF UNITS.
3:04:36PM FOR SMALLER DEVELOPMENT, 54 UNITS, 5900 SQUARE FEET OF
3:04:41PM REQUIRED GREEN SPACE.
3:04:42PM AGAIN THIS IS BASED OFF PARCEL EAR, BUILDING FOOTPRINT,
3:04:46PM THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO THAT NUMBER.
3:04:49PM MOVING UP TO 236 UNITS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT GREEN SPACE
3:04:53PM NUMBER DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE.
3:04:54PM AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE 532 UNITS, THIS IS A PROJECT
3:04:58PM THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
3:05:00PM THE REQUIRED GREEN SPACE HOVERING ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
3:05:04PM SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL OF THIS IS WITHIN A
3:05:07PM SIMILAR RANGE AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT TO
3:05:09PM THE PARCEL AREA, THAT RATIO ISN'T CHANGING BECAUSE AS
3:05:13PM MENTIONED THIS IS ALL URBAN DEVELOPMENT, ALL MINIMAL
3:05:15PM SETBACKS, WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND COVER FROM THE BUILDINGS.
3:05:19PM AS YOU CAN SEE, WHAT IS REQUIRED FROM THIS PERCENTAGE
3:05:21PM CALCULATION IS .14, .13, .12 ACRES, AND WHAT IS REQUIRED IN
3:05:28PM THE CALCULATION.
3:05:29PM SO I KNOW THIS IS TECHNICAL.
3:05:33PM THIS IS A LOT OF NUMBERS.
3:05:34PM BUT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING ESSENTIALLY IS TO TAKE THAT
3:05:36PM CALCULATION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED FOR SIX STORIES OR
3:05:41PM GREATER AND APPLY THAT TO ALL MULTIFAMILY VARYING LEVELS
3:05:44PM BELOW SIX FLOORS.
3:05:45PM WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT DEFERRALS THAT WOULD INCREASE
3:05:50PM BUILDING HEIGHT, NOT ADDING UNNECESSARY HEIGHT JUST TO
3:05:53PM UTILIZE THIS PERCENTAGE CALCULATION FOR GREEN SPACE
3:05:56PM REQUIREMENT TO AVOID A WAIVER.
3:05:57PM SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE SEEN ON PAST PROJECTS IN ORDER
3:06:00PM TO KIND OF A REPLY THIS ACROSS THE BOARD, WE THINK THAT
3:06:02PM MAKES SENSE IN THE CBD PERIPHERY.
3:06:05PM THE LAST REQUEST WE HAVE IS IN RELATION TO TRYING TO CLARIFY
3:06:12PM THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE.
3:06:16PM WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS TO T ADJACENT USE, YOU CAN SEE
3:06:19PM WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN.
3:06:21PM WE ARE ASKING THAT THE INTERPRETED AS THE EXISTING USE ON
3:06:26PM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, AND NOT ALL THE PERMITTED USES THAT
3:06:29PM COULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
3:06:32PM THE REASON WE SAY THIS IS BECAUSE THE THEN EXISTING USE OF
3:06:36PM AN ADJACENT SITE IS TANGIBLE.
3:06:41PM WHEN TRYING TO PLAN AROUND THE MOST INTENSE USE THAT COULD
3:06:44PM POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE MAY NEED TO BE PLACED ON THE SITE
3:06:47PM ARE THE NUMBERS INHERENTLY CONSERVATIVE, IN AN URBAN AREA OF
3:06:51PM THE CBD PERIPHERY, THIS HAS BEEN PLUMMETING SO THE PROCESS
3:06:56PM IS BE TO TAKE THAT LARGER UMBRELLA AND HAVE THE ACTUAL USES
3:07:00PM AS IT'S REFERRED TO IN THE TABLE, SEE WHAT IS INTERPRETED
3:07:04PM AND WHAT IS HELD TO AS A Q.WHAT IS ON-SITE AT THE TIME OF A
3:07:09PM NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WHAT IS ACTUALLY SURROUNDING THAT
3:07:13PM USE AT THAT TIME.
3:07:14PM SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
3:07:18PM HAPPY TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK AND THANKFUL TO LACHONE BECAUSE
3:07:24PM SHE WORKS REALLY HARD.
3:07:25PM I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU
3:07:29PM FOR YOUR TIME.
3:07:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST?
3:07:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:07:42PM >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
3:07:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T THINK THE YOUNG LADY TOOK A
3:07:46PM BREATH OF AIR.
3:07:48PM ANYWAY, I UNDERSTAND THE LAST PARKING SPACE BUT WE DON'T
3:07:58PM REALLY HAVE THE SPACE THAT COMES TO THAT POINT.
3:08:02PM IT'S SAD THAT WE NEVER HAVE OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE A
3:08:06PM TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST WHAT IS
3:08:10PM PRESENTED.
3:08:10PM SO WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT ALL THE MILLENNIUMS THAT WANT TO RIDE
3:08:16PM BICYCLES, THAT'S FINE.
3:08:18PM BUT THEN I GO OUT AND LOOK AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL PARKING.
3:08:21PM THEN I GO TO JEFFERSON, THEN HILLSBOROUGH, AND UNIVERSITY OF
3:08:25PM TAMPA, THERE'S NOT ONE EMPTY SPACE.
3:08:28PM I TELL MYSELF I MUST BE LYING.
3:08:31PM THESE ARE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT.
3:08:33PM AND I AM A REALIST.
3:08:35PM I REALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
3:08:37PM AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID.
3:08:40PM BUT THE OTHER DAY IT WAS ZONING HERE ON NORTH BOULEVARD.
3:08:45PM AND IT HAD .002.
3:08:50PM AND .004.
3:08:52PM AND THEREFORE, YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE
3:08:54PM ONE THAT'S .002.
3:08:57PM AND HERE AT CITY HALL. IF YOUR PEOPLE COME TO PARK, THEY
3:09:04PM ARE LIABLE TO BE TOWED AWAY.
3:09:06PM THAT'S WHAT I AM GET GETTING TO.
3:09:08PM I AM NOT AGAINST DOING ANYTHING THAT'S REASONABLE.
3:09:10PM I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS NOT REASONABLE.
3:09:13PM BUT IN MY MIND WHEN DON'T HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM TO
3:09:16PM REALIZE THE FACTS THAT WERE PRESENTED, BECAUSE IF WE HAD
3:09:19PM ONE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM.
3:09:21PM AND I CAN SAY YES.
3:09:24PM IN NEW YORK CITY YOU CAN HAVE ALL YOU WANT.
3:09:26PM BUT WHAT DO THEY HAVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE?
3:09:29PM TRANSPORTATION.
3:09:29PM OF ALL KIND.
3:09:40PM AND WAY BACK, I WILL NEVER FORGET A GENTLEMAN NAMED HARRY
3:09:43PM ORR WHO WAS HEAD OF THE BUS SYSTEM.
3:09:44PM MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD A BUS SYSTEM HERE.
3:09:47PM AND RIGHT THERE ON CLEVELAND STREET.
3:09:49PM AND ONE DAY I AM WALKING DOWN -- HE'S WALKING DOWN THE STEPS
3:09:53PM AND I AM RIGHT THERE WITH HIM.
3:09:55PM AND LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
3:09:56PM I SAID YES, HARRY?
3:09:58PM AND HE TELLS ME THIS.
3:09:59PM I AM NOT GOING TO SEE IT BUT YOU ARE.
3:10:03PM HE SAID THE DAY YOU TAKE A DOLLAR FROM THE FEDERAL
3:10:06PM GOVERNMENT FOR YOUR BUS SYSTEM IS THE DAY THE BUSES ALL GO
3:10:10PM YOU KNOW WHERE, BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TOD GO FROM HERE TO
3:10:14PM WIMAUMA FOR 25 AND LOSE $80 FOR TAKING THAT PERSON THERE.
3:10:19PM I WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT HE TOLD ME.
3:10:21PM AND HE WAS 100% CORRECT.
3:10:23PM THAT BUS SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
3:10:26PM FIRST OF ALL THE DENSITY.
3:10:28PM AND THEN THE PROGRESS THAT WE MAKE.
3:10:33PM YOU SEE, WHEN I LIVED IN THE HOUSING PROJECT, THE
3:10:36PM CONDOMINIUMS OF TAMPA, I USED TO CALL THEM, NO ONE HAD A
3:10:39PM CAR.
3:10:43PM I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT TODAY.
3:10:44PM ONLY ONE PERSON IN MAYBE 30 UNITS HAD ONE CAR.
3:10:50PM ONE.
3:10:55PM WHEN WALKED FROM 26th AVENUE, ALL THE WAY TO JEFFERSON,
3:11:00PM AND 40 KID ON THE BUS AND THE BUS IS LATE.
3:11:04PM SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, WE LOST IT.
3:11:12PM NO ONE HAD NOTHING.
3:11:14PM EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY.
3:11:15PM EVERYBODY BUT THE BUS.
3:11:20PM GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND COME BACK.
3:11:21PM I THINK IT WAS 15 CENTS OR 15 CENTS.
3:11:25PM I NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
3:11:27PM I HAVEN'T RODE A BUS FOR YEARS.
3:11:32PM THE PARENTS SAY, MY KID ISN'T GOING TO GET A CAR.
3:11:35PM THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY WHEN THEY ARE 12.
3:11:37PM WHEN THEY ARE 16 THEY SAY I WANT A CAR LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
3:11:42PM BUT THAT'S THE SOCIETY WE HAVE GROWN TO BE.
3:11:44PM BUT EVERYBODY HAS A CAR.
3:11:46PM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT.
3:11:55PM ALONG WITH THE CAR YOU HAVE REGISTRATION, ALSO INSURANCE.
3:11:58PM IT'S GETTING TO BE THAT YOU CAN'T LIVE ANYWHERE.
3:12:00PM SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRESENTER SAID.
3:12:03PM BUT I HAVE GOT TO HAVE PROOF OF WHAT SHE SAID, BECAUSE MY
3:12:07PM EYES ARE LYING TO ME.
3:12:08PM THEY ARE LYING TO ME AND I WANT TO HAVE AN EYE CHECK.
3:12:13PM THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG THE WAY WE DO THINGS AND THE REALITY
3:12:16PM OF LIFE.
3:12:17PM I'M NOT SAYING SHE'S WRONG.
3:12:18PM I'M SAYING I CAN'T EQUATE TO IT BECAUSE MY EYES, WAY SEE, IS
3:12:22PM NOT WHAT I HEAR.
3:12:23PM AND ANYBODY WANTS TO CHALLENGE ME, LET'S GO FOR A RIDE.
3:12:28PM THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
3:12:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:12:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SAY OLD TIMER, BUT
3:12:35PM YOU ARE RIGHT.
3:12:37PM YOU GO TO ANY HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT, AND MY KNEES, I'M NOT
3:12:50PM WALKING.
3:12:54PM WANTED TO GET A JOB AT AMAZON.
3:12:57PM I TOOK A BUS.
3:12:59PM FROM EAST TAMPA OUT TO THE LOT AT AMAZON.
3:13:06PM WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM YET.
3:13:07PM CARS ARE STILL HERE.
3:13:11PM THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
3:13:12PM CARS ARE STILL HERE.
3:13:13PM WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PARK THESE CARS?
3:13:15PM I KNOW YOU WANT PARKING.
3:13:18PM HOW CAN YOU GET RID OF PARKING WHEN PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING
3:13:23PM CARS ARE STILL HERE?
3:13:24PM LET'S LOOK AT THE REALITY OF THINGS.
3:13:26PM THE REALITY IS PEOPLE DRIVE CARS IN TAMPA.
3:13:29PM WE ARE IN THE SOUTH.
3:13:30PM WE ARE NOT IN THE NORTH WHERE ALL THE TRANSIT SYSTEM, THE
3:13:34PM TRANSPORTATION TAX FAILED TWICE ON US.
3:13:44PM I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE THERE YET.
3:13:46PM I KNOW PARKING GARAGES COST SO MUCH MONEY FOR PARKING SPACE,
3:13:49PM AND THE DEVELOPER TRYING TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
3:13:53PM ATTAINABLE HOUSING, TALKING ABOUT $30,000 FOR ONE SPACE TO
3:13:58PM GET IN THE PARKING GARAGE.
3:13:59PM AND THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES.
3:14:02PM HOW ARE WE GOING TO SOLVE THEM?
3:14:07PM I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PARK
3:14:09PM THESE CARS AT?
3:14:11PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:14:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
3:14:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
3:14:15PM >> OKAY, GO AHEAD.
3:14:23PM I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
3:14:26PM ANYONE ONLINE?
3:14:28PM I WILL RESERVE MY COMMENTS FOR WHEN WE GET A DEEPER DIVE
3:14:31PM INTO THIS.
3:14:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
3:14:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:14:34PM SECONDED BY --
3:14:41PM >>LACHONE DOCK: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:14:46PM COUNCIL.
3:14:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE A SECOND?
3:14:49PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:14:51PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:14:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR IT BUT WHEN IT
3:14:56PM COMES BACK I HAVE TO HAVE THE EVIDENCE BEFORE I VOTE FOR IT
3:14:59PM AND BELIEVE IT.
3:15:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL VOTE FOR IT AND RESERVE MY COMMENTS
3:15:03PM TILL THEN.
3:15:03PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:15:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHILE WE HAVE MS. DOCK HERE I WANT TO
3:15:09PM CONFIRM --
3:15:12PM >> WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT.
3:15:14PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:15:16PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:15:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 5:01 START.
3:15:21PM YOUR CALENDARS FOR YOUR EVENING MEETINGS WILL SAY 5:I WANT
3:15:25PM TO CONFIRM THAT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION, STICKING WITH 5:01.
3:15:30PM >>LACHONE DOCK: YES, COUNCIL, STARTING IN JANUARY WE WILL
3:15:35PM BE BACK TO THE REGULAR SCHEDULE WHERE WE HEAR ALL THE ZONING
3:15:38PM MATTERS AND ALCOHOL, BEVERAGE SALES, PETITIONS ARE HEARD ON
3:15:41PM ALCOHOL NIGHT, THE LAST NIGHT OF THE MONTH, THE WAY THEY
3:15:45PM WERE PRIOR TO ADDING AN ADDITIONAL NIGHT.
3:15:47PM SO SINCE WE ARE STARTING AT 5:01 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
3:15:51PM STARTING A NEW YEAR, THE DESIRE IS TO HAVE THESE HEARINGS
3:15:54PM START AT 5:01 OR DO WE WANT TO GO BACK TO 6 P.M.?
3:16:01PM >> 5:01.
3:16:02PM >>LACHONE DOCK: ALL RIGHT.
3:16:05PM WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.
3:16:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:16:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE WE CAUGHT UP TO THE BACKLOG NOW?
3:16:13PM >>LACHONE DOCK: WE ARE CAUGHT UP.
3:16:15PM IF AN APPLICANT APPLIES TODAY FOR A REZONING, THEY DON'T
3:16:18PM HAVE THAT EXTENSION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
3:16:21PM SIX MONTHS AGO THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO WAIT AN EXTRA FOUR
3:16:24PM MONTHS.
3:16:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO NOBODY WILL BE TELLING APPLICANTS THAT
3:16:29PM CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TIME FOR THEM.
3:16:32PM >>LACHONE DOCK: CORRECT.
3:16:33PM WE ARE CAUGHT UP TO DATE.
3:16:34PM SO WE APPRECIATE IT, COUNCIL.
3:16:37PM AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TODAY.
3:16:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL?
3:16:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS AT 5:01 P.M.
3:16:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:16:54PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:16:55PM THANK YOU.
3:16:58PM OKAY.
3:16:58PM INFORMATION REPORT. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:16:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NONE SIR.
3:17:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE A FEW.
3:17:10PM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE A COMMENDATION TO BELINTHIA BERRY
3:17:12PM FOR HER HARD WORK, DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE
3:17:15PM NATIONAL COALITION OF 100 BLACK WOMEN ON JANUARY 2nd.
3:17:21PM JANUARY 10TH.
3:17:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:17:23PM ALL IN FAVOR.
3:17:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE NEXT ONE, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ARTIS
3:17:28PM GAMBRELL DID PASS, ONE OF THE LONGEST AFRICAN AMERICAN
3:17:39PM EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, PRETTY MUCH RAN THIS SIDE OF
3:17:42PM TOWN.
3:17:44PM EVERYONE IS SAD AND HEARTBROKEN.
3:17:45PM I GOT THE CALLS WHEN IT HAPPENED.
3:17:47PM AND AGAIN I HAVE GOT A FEW THINGS I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
3:17:51PM I WOULD LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION FOR DEDICATION TO THE CITY
3:17:56PM OF TAMPA, AND LONG-TIME EMPLOYEE WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
3:18:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
3:18:05PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:18:06PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:18:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THAT.
3:18:09PM I DON'T RECALL COUNCIL IN THE PAST --
3:18:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M ASKING THE MAYOR.
3:18:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
3:18:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR?
3:18:25PM THANK YOU.
3:18:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEXT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL GIVE POSTHUMOUSLY
3:18:28PM OFF-SITE TO ARTIS GAMBRELL FOR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:18:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:18:41PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:18:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT EAST
3:18:42PM TAMPA REGIONAL PARK, AND MR. MANISCALCO WANTED SOMETHING A
3:18:48PM BUILDING WITH MOSES WHITE, THAT'S FINE, BUT ALSO MADE A
3:18:56PM MOTION PRIOR, IN REFERENCE TO THE REGIONAL PARK ITSELF, AND
3:18:59PM AGAIN I AM ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON
3:19:02PM THE NAMING OF THE EAST TAMPA REGIONAL COMPLEX FOR MR. ARTIS
3:19:05PM GAMBRELL AND REPORT BACK ON THE DECEMBER 1.
3:19:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:19:14PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:19:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYONE THAT
3:19:19PM IS CELEBRATING.
3:19:20PM THANK YOU.
3:19:21PM THAT'S IT.
3:19:21PM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOTION TO PRESENT COMMENDATIONS TO THE
3:19:26PM GEORGE EDGECOMB BAR ASSOCIATION ON THEIR 40TH ANNIVERSARY,
3:19:26PM AND TO THE HILLSBOROUGH ASSOCIATION FOR WOMEN LAWYERS, ALSO
3:19:31PM ON THEIR 40th ANNIVERSARY.
3:19:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:19:36PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:19:38PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:19:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION TO BE GIVEN TO
3:19:41PM ST. MARKS CATHOLIC CHURCH, ST. VINCENT DEPAUL MINISTRY FOR
3:19:45PM THEIR OUTREACH.
3:19:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY VIERA, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
3:19:50PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:19:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND ALL OFF PREMISES, OF COURSE.
3:19:53PM AND LASTLY, IF I MAY, I MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION, AND
3:19:56PM SULING, I WILL GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON THIS, TO THE
3:20:00PM SWAMINARAUAN MANDIR, THE LOCAL TEMPLE FOR THE WORK THEY DO
3:20:10PM IN THE COMMUNITY, ON THE FORTHCOMING HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY
3:20:14PM OF THE BIRTH OF THEIR GURU WHICH THEY WILL BE CELEBRATING ON
3:20:17PM SATURDAY.
3:20:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY VIERA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
3:20:20PM MANISCALCO.
3:20:20PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:20:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: A FEW QUICK ONES, PLEASE.
3:20:27PM THE FLORIDA COORDINATION OFFICE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US A
3:20:29PM TEN-MINUTE UPDATE SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK
3:20:32PM THE FLORIDA COORDINATION OFFICE TO GIVE A TEN-MINUTE UPDATE
3:20:35PM TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 2nd UNDER STAFF
3:20:37PM REPORTS.
3:20:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
3:20:42PM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:20:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S FEBRUARY --
3:20:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
3:20:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AFTER STAFF REPORTS?
3:20:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:20:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT TIME WOULD THAT BE?
3:20:54PM NOT A TIME CERTAIN, OBVIOUSLY.
3:20:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND?
3:20:58PM AFTER CEREMONIAL --
3:21:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A CEREMONIAL DATE?
3:21:09PM HOW LONG WOULD THAT LAST?
3:21:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: THEY ASKED FOR UP TO TEN MINUTES BUT THAT'S
3:21:13PM INCLUDING ANY QUESTIONS.
3:21:17PM SHOULD I PUT AFTER --
3:21:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AFTER PRESENTATIONS.
3:21:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: IN CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES.
3:21:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:21:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO, WE TALKED ABOUT ADUs TODAY AND
3:21:39PM HEARD A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT IT.
3:21:41PM SOUTH TAMPA THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE EXCLUDED FROM ADUs SO A
3:21:46PM COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND CITIZENS
3:21:49PM FOR SURE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH
3:21:51PM THE ADUS.
3:21:56PM I TALKED TO STAFF AND NICOLE TALKED TO HER STAFF AND SHE
3:21:59PM GAVE ME THESE PROMOTIONS TO PROPOSE.
3:22:01PM ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THE CENTRAL PLANNING DISTRICT
3:22:04PM INCLUDES THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN HYDE PARK AND PART OF SOUTH
3:22:07PM TAMPA, AND SO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL BLIND-SIDED BY THE
3:22:11PM FACT THAT THEY WERE INCLUDED.
3:22:12PM SO MY FIRST MOTION WHICH AGAIN IS COMING FROM STAFF IS TO
3:22:15PM REMOVE ALL THE AREAS SOUTH OF KENNEDY, AND IN THE SECOND
3:22:19PM MOTION IS TO ASK STAFF TO BEGIN A SIX-MONTH PROCESS TO
3:22:23PM ENGAGE THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA AND THEN COME BACK
3:22:26PM ON APRIL 27th.
3:22:27PM SO I WILL MAKE THE FIRST MOTION.
3:22:30PM MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO REMOVE ALL AREAS SOUTH OF KENNEDY
3:22:33PM BOULEVARD INCLUDING HARBOR ISLAND, DAVIS ISLAND, FROM THE
3:22:36PM PROPOSED AREAS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND THE PENDING
3:22:41PM ORDINANCE DUE BACK TO COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 1st.
3:22:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
3:22:49PM CARLSON.
3:22:49PM IS THERE A SECOND?
3:22:51PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:22:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SECOND IT.
3:22:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO IS YOUR MOTION TO HAVE BEEN THE ADUs
3:23:06PM DISCUSSION COME BACK AFTER PROPER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HAS
3:23:09PM BEEN DONE?
3:23:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, THE SECOND MOTION IS THAT THE STAFF
3:23:11PM WANTS SIX MONTHS TO PROPERLY ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE
3:23:17PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTH TAMPA THOUGHT THEY WERE EXCLUDED,
3:23:20PM THEY DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE INVITATION SO THE STAFF HAS
3:23:25PM AGREED TO GIVE THEM MORE F.OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WANTS
3:23:28PM MORE, I THINK THEY COULD ASK FOR IT AS WELL BUT THE
3:23:30PM NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA PARTICULARLY HAVE ASKED FOR
3:23:33PM THIS.
3:23:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THAT AND APPRECIATE
3:23:35PM EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO PASS THEM
3:23:39PM ALL OR NOT PASS THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
3:23:41PM THIS IS COMING IN BY FEBRUARY 2nd, THE FIRST READING.
3:23:45PM IS MY MEMORY CORRECT?
3:23:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT'S DECEMBER --
3:23:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK.
3:23:53PM I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE RIGHT OR WRONG.
3:23:55PM I WOULD FEEL THEY ARE MUCH BETTER IF THEY ARE TAKEN
3:23:58PM TOGETHER.
3:23:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU ALL 2022 MOVE ALL OF THEM TO APRIL,
3:24:01PM WE CAN.
3:24:02PM BUT STAFF IS SAYING THEY NEED SIX MONTHS, APRIL 27th IS
3:24:08PM THE FARTHEST THE CALENDARS GOES OUT, A LITTLE MORE THAN SIX
3:24:12PM MONTHS.
3:24:12PM I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
3:24:13PM BUT SOUTH TAMPA, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON PUBLIC
3:24:16PM COMMENT.
3:24:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAYBE BECAUSE I SENSE SOMEBODY RESISTANCE,
3:24:25PM AND I UNDERSTAND FOLKS WANT MORE TIME ON IT, MAYBE WE COULD
3:24:28PM HAVE PROSPECTIVELY AN ORDINANCE COMING BACK TO US IN
3:24:32PM FEBRUARY, AND THEN GIVE THAT TIME TO ENGAGE YOUR
3:24:36PM CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE AGAIN I THINK THAT BOTH ARE VALID
3:24:39PM PROPOSITIONS.
3:24:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: STAFF IS SAYING JUST FOR SOUTH TAMPA THEY
3:24:42PM NEED SIX MONTHS.
3:24:46PM SO, I MEAN, I CAN MAKE -- I COULD MAKE THE MOTION TO
3:24:50PM CONTINUE -- NICOLE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?
3:24:57PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I THINK WE ARE ALREADY ON A CERTAIN TRACK,
3:25:03PM AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT EXCLUDING SOUTH
3:25:07PM TAMPA AREA, AND WE KNOW THAT -- I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT
3:25:15PM STAFF PROPOSED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CENTRAL PLANNING
3:25:18PM DISTRICT AND THAT INCLUDES CERTAIN PARTS OF HYDE PARK.
3:25:23PM SO I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER,
3:25:27PM IF YOU WILL.
3:25:28PM IF THE INTENT IS TO ALLOW FOR STAFF TO DO A LITTLE MORE
3:25:31PM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR EVERYTHING SOUTH OF KENNEDY -- WE
3:25:41PM SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS FOR
3:25:45PM SOUTH OF KENNEDY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SHOULD YOU BE INCLINED
3:25:56PM FOR THE ORDINANCE TO COME BEFORE YOU ON DECEMBER 1st, I
3:25:58PM ASK THAT YOU MAKE THAT MOTION SO THAT THE MOTIONS, WE COULD
3:26:04PM COME BACK AND BRING THE OTHER AREAS THAT NEEDED ADDITIONAL
3:26:07PM CONCERN.
3:26:08PM WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST WAY TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD
3:26:11PM WITH THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WITH HOUSING IN A CRISIS,
3:26:16PM AS YOU DIRECTED US TO.
3:26:17PM WE THINK IT'S A FAIR WAY TO MOVE FORWARD.
3:26:20PM AND SO SCHEDULED THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE
3:26:23PM CONVERSATIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
3:26:26PM >> COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:26:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
3:26:37PM I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
3:26:44PM WE TALK ABOUT EQUALITY.
3:26:56PM WE ARE SAYING WE ARE GOING TO DO ADUs BECAUSE HOUSE IN THE
3:27:00PM CITY.
3:27:00PM HOW DO WE EXCLUDE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS ANOTHER
3:27:03PM NEIGHBORHOOD?
3:27:03PM I JUST HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
3:27:06PM I MEAN, I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING WE ARE GOING TO EXCLUDE
3:27:10PM ONE AREA OF TOWN, AND ANOTHER AREA OF TOWN HAS TO HAVE IT
3:27:14PM AND ANOTHER AREA OF TOWN.
3:27:15PM THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
3:27:16PM I DON'T CARE HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
3:27:18PM WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A CITY OF DIVERSITY, OF EQUITY AND
3:27:22PM EQUALITY AND I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUPPORTING ANYTHING
3:27:26PM THAT SAYS THAT ONE AREA OF TOWN, TO ME, AND THIS AGAIN, THEY
3:27:32PM ARE BETTER THAN US, OR I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
3:27:35PM NOT SAYING ON THE BASIS OF WHAT SOMEBODY WANTS OR DON'T WANT
3:27:41PM BUT IT LOOKS BAD.
3:27:42PM IT JUST LOOKS BAD TO SAY THAT ONE AREA IS SAYING, NO, WE
3:27:47PM DON'T WANT IT, AND THIS IS REAL BAD.
3:27:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE'S A FALSE SCENARIO BEING PUSHED BY
3:27:53PM SOME ACTIVISTS THAT SOUTH TAMPA IS AGAINST IT OR SOUTH TAMPA
3:27:56PM THINKS THEY ARE TOO GOOD FOR IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
3:27:59PM SOUTH TAMPA HASN'T BEEN INFORMED ABOUT IT AT ALL.
3:28:02PM THEY ARE NOT AGAINST IT.
3:28:03PM IN FACT THERE ARE A LOT OF ADUs ALREADY IN SOUTH TAMPA.
3:28:07PM BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS JUST LIKE HISTORIC
3:28:10PM NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA AND OTHER PLACES.
3:28:14PM YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN AND NOT TALK TO EACH OF THESE
3:28:16PM NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT HOW THESE THINGS AFFECT THEM
3:28:19PM INDIVIDUALLY.
3:28:19PM WHAT THE STAFF IS SAYING IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
3:28:22PM THE OTHER AREAS, WHICH THEY ARE PREPARED TO DO IF THE OTHER
3:28:25PM NEIGHBORHOODS AREN'T AGAINST IT AND THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD,
3:28:27PM SOUTH TAMPA IS NOT SAYING THEY DON'T WANT IT.
3:28:29PM THEY ARE SAYING THEY JUST 2022 KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY
3:28:32PM DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF HAVING A WHOLE BUNCH
3:28:35PM OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP ON DECEMBER 1st, THE STAFF IS
3:28:37PM RECOMMENDING THAT WHEN JUST MOVE IT TO A DIFFERENT TIMELINE.
3:28:40PM AND I THINK THEY WILL COME BACK AND SAY, WHAT, WE ARE FINE
3:28:44PM WITH IT UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND MAYBE IT WILL BE THE
3:28:48PM SAME THING AS EVERYBODY ELSE BUT JUST PROVIDING A TIMELINE
3:28:51PM SO THEY CAN BE ENGAGED ABOUT IT.
3:28:52PM AND IF OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS SAY THEY ARE NOT FULLY ENGAGED, I
3:28:55PM WOULD BE OKAY SUPPORTING THAT AS WELL.
3:28:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. TRAVIS, WHAT TYPE OF TIMELINE TO
3:29:02PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POINT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH?
3:29:04PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO I WAS JUST ON THE PHONE WITH ABBYE AND
3:29:08PM ERIC COTTON.
3:29:09PM SO DECEMBER 1st, WE NEED TO NOTICE IT PROPERLY, SO THE
3:29:15PM EARLIEST IT WILL COME TO YOU IS JANUARY 26th.
3:29:18PM THAT'S WHEN THE ORDINANCE COMES BEFORE YOU FOR THE DWELLING
3:29:25PM UNITS.
3:29:25PM IF YOU WANT US TO ENGAGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH OF KENNEDY,
3:29:33PM WAS GIVING SIX MONTHS TO PROPERLY ENGAGE THE MEETING WITH
3:29:37PM THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:29:39PM AGAIN, HOUSING IS A CRISIS AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
3:29:46PM ALL OPTIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE PROVIDED TO DO.
3:29:51PM TWO WORKSHOPS EARLIER THIS YEAR, RECENTLY IN LATE OCTOBER,
3:29:54PM WE CAME BACK WITH SPECIAL USE, SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
3:29:57PM THIS IS MOVING THIS FORWARD.
3:29:59PM AND BECAUSE THE SPECIAL PLANNING DISTRICT MOSTLY EXCLUDES
3:30:04PM THE SOUTH TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS, EXCEPT FOR CERTAIN AREAS IN
3:30:07PM HYDE PARK, THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS WERE NOT A PART OF
3:30:12PM THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THE WORKSHOPS.
3:30:14PM TO BE FAIR, THEY WERE NEVER INCLUDED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS,
3:30:18PM BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CENTRAL PLANNING DISTRICT.
3:30:21PM AND WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE MORE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE COULD
3:30:24PM HAVE, BECAUSE HYDE PARK AND SOUTH OF KENNEDY, THEY HAVE
3:30:31PM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
3:30:33PM SO I WANTED TO ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD,
3:30:37PM THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU DIRECTED US
3:30:40PM TO AT THE LAST WORKSHOP ON JANUARY 26th AND HAVE THE
3:30:45PM FORMAL ENGAGEMENT, GIVE US SIX MONTHS TO DO THAT.
3:30:48PM I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE DATE WAS.
3:30:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: I SAID APRIL 27 JUST BECAUSE THE CALENDAR
3:30:56PM DOESN'T GO OUT FURTHER THAN THAT.
3:30:58PM BUT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT --
3:31:00PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: OKAY.
3:31:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:31:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:31:03PM AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY FORWARD TO SATISFY BOTH SIDES ON
3:31:05PM THIS, WHICH IS POTENTIALLY -- AND AGAIN, I AM NOT FEELING MY
3:31:09PM BEST.
3:31:10PM I HAVE A COLD OR SOMETHING.
3:31:11PM BUT IT'S POTENTIALLY HAVING -- I KNOW, I'M SORRY.
3:31:17PM I KNOW, I KNOW.
3:31:22PM BUT IT'S GOING AROUND.
3:31:26PM MY FILTER.
3:31:28PM I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.
3:31:29PM BUT IS POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT MAYBE CONTINUING THE WHOLE
3:31:32PM THING.
3:31:32PM IF IT'S COMING AT THE END OF JANUARY, WE COULD LOOK AT IT TO
3:31:36PM CONTINUE IT 70 OR SO DAYS TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH SIDES.
3:31:40PM AGAIN, JUST HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
3:31:43PM BECAUSE IF SOUTH TAMPA WASN'T PROPERLY ENGAGED ON IT, RIGHT?
3:31:46PM THAT IS A LEGITIMATE ISSUE.
3:31:48PM BUT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT WANTING TO DO THIS PIECEMEAL AND
3:31:52PM WANTING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING AT ONCE.
3:31:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, BASED ON WHAT STAFF IS SAYING,
3:32:03PM THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS
3:32:06PM POSSIBLE WITH THE OTHER ONE AND THEY ARE PREPARED TO HANDLE
3:32:08PM THIS.
3:32:08PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE MOTION.
3:32:12PM AND THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF IT.
3:32:14PM ONE IS TO JUST EXCLUDE SOUTH OF KENNEDY, AND THE SECOND ONE
3:32:17PM IS TO BRING IT BACK ON APRIL 27th.
3:32:21PM SO IT'S NOT THAT I CAN MAKE IT ONE MOTION IF EVERYBODY
3:32:25PM WANTS.
3:32:25PM BUT THE IDEA IS NOT TO EXCLUDE THEM PERMANENTLY JUST TO
3:32:29PM BRING THEM BACK ON APRIL 27th WITHOUT HAVING TO BELABOR
3:32:32PM EVERYBODY ELSE.
3:32:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
3:32:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GOING TO YIELD TO MR. SHELBY.
3:32:38PM I THINK I SEE TWO MOTIONS.
3:32:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE MOTION IS MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO --
3:32:44PM AGAIN I GOT THIS MOTION FROM NICOLE.
3:32:46PM MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO REMOVE ALL AREAS SOUTH OF KENNEDY
3:32:50PM BOULEVARD INCLUDING HARBOR ISLAND, DAVIS ISLAND, FROM THE
3:32:54PM PROPOSED AREAS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, IN THE PENDING
3:32:58PM ORDINANCE DUE DAKOTA POSITIVE COUNCIL ON JANUARY 26th.
3:33:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
3:33:08PM CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:33:10PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
3:33:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION BUT AS LONG AS
3:33:14PM THE OTHER MOTIONS COME BACK SO WE KNOW WE ARE NOT EXCLUDING.
3:33:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
3:33:22PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:33:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND SECOND IS MOVE TO HAVE ASK STAFF TO
3:33:28PM BEGIN THE PROCESS ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS FOR THE
3:33:31PM AREAS SOUTH OF KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL
3:33:33PM ON APRIL 27th.
3:33:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
3:33:39PM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:33:40PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
3:33:42PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?
3:33:44PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:33:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
3:33:47PM I HAVE TWO MORE.
3:33:47PM I'M SORRY THAT TOOK SO LONG.
3:33:52PM THE PUBLIC RECORDS DEPARTMENT HAS STARTED REQUIRING THAT IF
3:33:55PM WE WANT RECORDS, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH GOV, AND I PULL
3:34:02PM RECORDS OCCASIONALLY, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE EXAMINING CITY
3:34:05PM COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM PULLING PUBLIC RECORD.
3:34:07PM MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS THIS IN AN ORDINANCE ANOTHER SOMETIME.
3:34:10PM BUT I THINK SIMILAR TO COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA, I DON'T SPEND
3:34:14PM ANY OF MY CITY COUNCIL BUDGET.
3:34:18PM I BUY ALL MY OWN SUPPLIES, BUY MY OWN FURNITURE AND
3:34:22PM EVERYTHING, SO I USUALLY HAVE A SURPLUS THAT I GIVE TO
3:34:24PM CHARITY.
3:34:25PM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TRANSFER FROM MY CITY
3:34:28PM COUNCIL EXPERIENCE THAT I DON'T USE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR
3:34:31PM PUBLIC RECORDS.
3:34:32PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CFO'S OFFICE TO
3:34:36PM MOVE 2,787.88 FROM MY CITY COUNCIL EXPENSE BUDGET TO THE
3:34:41PM CLERK'S OFFICE FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING FOR PUBLIC RECORDS
3:34:43PM REQUESTS.
3:34:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES?
3:34:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR
3:34:53PM PUBLIC RECORDS?
3:34:55PM I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY OUT OF THIS ACCOUNT.
3:34:59PM I'M SURE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT PAYING FOR IT.
3:35:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S A QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP AND
3:35:08PM HAVE BEGUN LOOKING INTO IT.
3:35:09PM I DID SPEAK WITH CARL BRODY AND THERE ARE NEW PROCEDURES IN
3:35:12PM PLACE, AS YOU KNOW BEING HANDLED BY THE ARCHIVES.
3:35:14PM THERE'S A WHOLE NEW PROCESS WITH GOV-QA AND DECISIONS ARE
3:35:19PM BEING MADE.
3:35:21PM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT -- THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING BASED
3:35:27PM ON A CONVERSATION I HAD THIS WEEK -- THAT EVEN CITY
3:35:32PM EMPLOYEES, OR CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE MAKING PUBLIC
3:35:35PM RECORDS REQUESTS HAVE TO GO THROUGH GOV-QA AND THERE ARE
3:35:41PM ASSOCIATED SERVICE CHARGES ASSOCIATED -- EXCUSE ME --
3:35:47PM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THEY ARE ASSESSED.
3:35:49PM MY UNDERSTANDING --
3:35:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: I LIKE THE TRANSPARENCY OF IT, THAT
3:35:57PM EVERYBODY IN THE CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH GOV-QA SO THAT WE
3:36:02PM CAN ALL SEE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE ANOTHER MOTION AT
3:36:07PM ANOTHER TIME ABOUT MAKING PUBLIC RECORDS ACCESSIBLE TO
3:36:09PM OFFICERS OF THE CITY.
3:36:10PM BUT FOR THIS PURPOSE RIGHT NOW I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
3:36:13PM MOTION, AND WE CAN ALWAYS, IF THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT
3:36:15PM IT, WE CAN CREDIT IT BACK LATER.
3:36:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN THE PAST, THESE SORT OF QUESTIONS HAVE
3:36:23PM COME UP WITH REGARDS TO RECORDS OR REQUESTS.
3:36:26PM IN YEARS PAST WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS, FOR WHATEVER REASON,
3:36:33PM AN ISSUE OR NOT, THE CITY COUNCIL MAYBE AS A MOTION, SO IT
3:36:36PM WAS THE BODY THAT WAS ASKING FOR IT.
3:36:41PM THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT REQUESTED, IT WAS A
3:36:44PM FORMER COUNCIL THAT DID THAT.
3:36:46PM I CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
3:36:48PM THAT'S ONE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
3:36:52PM BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEW TO ME.
3:36:54PM I JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT THIS PAST WEAK.
3:36:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:36:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PUBLIC RECORDS OR
3:37:01PM WHATEVER IT IS, IF IT'S A HUNDRED OR A THOUSAND DOLLARS, I
3:37:05PM DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS, OR IF I KNEW, MAYBE WOULD PASS ALONG
3:37:10PM THAT ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS INCLUDING ADMINISTRATION AND
3:37:14PM LEGISLATIVE SIDE HAS TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN PUBLIC RECORDS
3:37:17PM THAT THEY REQUEST, AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY IS COVERED.
3:37:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK STAFF HAS DECIDED THAT WE HAVE TO
3:37:24PM PAY, BUT WITH OUR EXPENSE ACCOUNT, WE CAN BUY FURNITURE,
3:37:32PM SUPPLIES AND SINCE I DON'T DO ANY OF THAT, I USUALLY WOULD
3:37:35PM JUST TRANSFER THE MONEY TO CHARITY.
3:37:38PM BUT THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS MOVE THE MONEY OVER FOR RIGHT
3:37:41PM NOW.
3:37:42PM AND THEN WE CAN WORK ON AN ORDINANCE LATER.
3:37:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
3:37:49PM I UNDERSTAND YOUR REASONING.
3:37:50PM BUT FOR INSTANCE, YOUR OFFICE DOES NOT SPEND THE MONEY.
3:37:55PM COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA'S OFFICE DOES NOT SPEND THE MONEY.
3:38:00PM ONE OF THE ISSUES IS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE A BUDGET
3:38:04PM CHANGE, THAT'S TAKE WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO
3:38:07PM PLEA REPLENISH YOUR ACCOUNT ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO
3:38:12PM PUBLIC RECORDS.
3:38:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE GOT MORE MONEY THAN THIS IN MY
3:38:14PM ACCOUNT BECAUSE I DON'T USE ANY.
3:38:16PM SO I WOULD JUST LIKE APPROVAL TO MOVE THE MONEY OVER.
3:38:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:38:23PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:38:26PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
3:38:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE MORE QUESTION.
3:38:36PM I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO BE PAYING -- I DON'T
3:38:45PM THINK WE SHOULD BE PENALIZED, IF HE NEEDS INFORMATION ABOUT
3:38:49PM SOMETHING, AND HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.
3:38:54PM BUT I WILL SUPPORT IT TODAY.
3:38:55PM I THINK IF YOU LOOK INTO THAT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE
3:39:00PM TO BE DOING THAT.
3:39:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I UNDERSTAND THAT'S YOUR SENTIMENT.
3:39:04PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SENTIMENT OF CITY COUNCIL --
3:39:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I ASKED AS A COUNCILMEMBER, I ASK TO CHECK
3:39:13PM ON THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T -- RIGHT NOW I AM TELLING YOU WHAT
3:39:16PM I BELIEVE.
3:39:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR.
3:39:23PM AND AS YOU SAID IT TO ME, IT'S BEEN HEARD BY OTHERS AS WELL.
3:39:27PM SO I WILL MENTION IT AGAIN.
3:39:29PM THANK YOU.
3:39:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:39:31PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:39:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAST ONE REAL FAST, HOPEFULLY REAL
3:39:35PM FAST, IS THE ISSUE OF -- REMEMBER THE ISSUE CAME UP OF
3:39:43PM SETTLEMENT CONTRACTS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY
3:39:47PM ATTORNEY, BUT NOT BY CITY COUNCIL.
3:39:49PM AND WE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN PRIOR MEETINGS ABOUT THE
3:39:53PM IMPLICATIONS OF THAT, AND CITY ATTORNEY IS COMING BACK WITH
3:39:57PM AN ORDINANCE THAT WE PROPOSED TO HANDLE THESE CASES IN THE
3:40:00PM FUTURE.
3:40:02PM I SOUGHT MY OWN OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL TO SEE WHAT MY DUTY IS
3:40:07PM AS AN OFFICER OF THE CITY TO TRY TO PREVENT THE CITY FROM
3:40:10PM HAVING ANY LIABILITY, AND IN REGARD TO THE ONES THAT WERE
3:40:14PM NOT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
3:40:17PM AND SO THE ADVICE I GOT WAS THAT I HAVE A DUTY TO THE
3:40:21PM PUBLIC, VOTERS, TO DISCLOSE, AND ALSO TO TRY TO FIX THE
3:40:28PM PROBLEM.
3:40:29PM AND SO THE ISSUE IS THEY WERE NOT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL,
3:40:36PM AND THE ADVICE I HAVE GOTTEN OUTSIDE IS THEY CAN BE APPROVED
3:40:39PM BY CITY COUNCIL RETROACTIVELY.
3:40:41PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK LEGAL STAFF TO
3:40:45PM REVIEW ALL THE SETTLEMENT CONTRACTS/AGREEMENTS THAT WERE
3:40:48PM OVER 25,000, THAT WERE SIGNED WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL,
3:40:54PM SINCE 2018, AND TO REPORT TO COUNCIL ON JANUARY 19th
3:40:59PM DURING STAFF REPORTS AS TO HOW COUNCIL CAN APPROVE THEM
3:41:02PM RETROACTIVELY.
3:41:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:41:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
3:41:07PM I AM NOT AGAINST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING JUST NOW.
3:41:11PM WHAT I AM THINKING IN MY HEAD IS, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS
3:41:14PM THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT I KNOW OF THAT HAS THAT -- THEY
3:41:21PM KNOW WHAT THE LIABILITY COULD BE AND NOT MAKE A SETTLEMENT.
3:41:26PM WE DON'T.
3:41:27PM THEY KNOW WHAT THE CHANCES ARE OF WINNING.
3:41:29PM WE DON'T.
3:41:29PM SO IF THAT'S GOING TO START, IF THEY DON'T SETTLE SOMETHING,
3:41:35PM AND WE REJECT IT AND IT GOES TO COURT AND YOU ARE GOING TO
3:41:38PM BE PAYING A $2 MILLION SETTLEMENT INSTEAD OF A $50,000
3:41:42PM SETTLEMENT.
3:41:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S IN REGARD TO THE ORDINANCE THEY ARE
3:41:45PM GOING TO COME BACK WITH LATER.
3:41:46PM THESE ARE JUST THE ONES OVER THE LAST FOYER YEARS THAT WERE
3:41:50PM NOT APPROVED.
3:41:51PM AND ALL I AM ASKING IS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW THEM
3:41:55PM WITH US, AND THEN COME BACK TO US WITH THEIR ADVICE ON WHAT
3:41:59PM WE SHOULD DO TO RETROACTIVELY APPROVE THEM.
3:42:02PM THE OUTSIDE ADVICE I HAVE GOTTEN IS THAT CITY COUNCIL, SINCE
3:42:06PM THEY WERE SIGNED WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL -- AND I AM TRYING TO
3:42:09PM NOT TALK ABOUT THIS TOO MUCH HERE, AND WE CAN IF YOU WANT,
3:42:13PM BUT IT SAYS SINCE THEY WERE APPROVED WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL
3:42:15PM APPROVAL AND THE CHARTER REQUIRES THE CITY COUNCIL TO
3:42:18PM APPROVE IT, THE BEST LEGAL COURSE THAT I HAVE GOTTEN ADVICE
3:42:21PM ON IS THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE THEM RETROACTIVELY AND NOT
3:42:25PM LIKELY DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
3:42:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN ONLY SAY ON MY PART I AM NOT SURE
3:42:31PM THE CHARTER SAYS THAT.
3:42:32PM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT THAT DEALS
3:42:38PM WITH --
3:42:41PM AND WE START WILL GO AT WHAT THEY DO OR DON'T DO, IT'S GOING
3:42:43PM TO BE A DRAG ON THE CITY, AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
3:42:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: I PASSED OUT AN ORDINANCE THAT IS STILL IN
3:42:54PM THE BOOKS FROM 2006 THAT WAS SIGNED BY CITY ATTORNEY, CITY
3:42:58PM COUNCIL AND MAYOR IORIO, AND WHAT THAT ORDINANCE SAYS IS
3:43:02PM THAT CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE RIGHT TO APPROVE -- THE RIGHT TO
3:43:09PM APPROVE SETTLEMENTS UNDER $25 SAW THAT.
3:43:12PM SO WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS THE ONES OVER $25,000.
3:43:16PM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:43:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: VERY BRIEFLY, AGAIN.
3:43:23PM WITH THIS, GIVEN I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SETTLEMENTS HAVE BEEN
3:43:27PM ENTERED INTO, AND I DON'T WANT DO GET INTO IT BECAUSE I
3:43:31PM DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE IDEAS THAT THIS COULD BE A
3:43:34PM POTENTIAL CAN OF WORMS ON CERTAIN UNIQUE TYPES OF CASES THAT
3:43:38PM WOULD UNDERMINE, I THINK, THE WELFARE OF THE CITY
3:43:41PM ULTIMATELY.
3:43:44PM I CAN PRIVATELY INQUIRE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON A
3:43:50PM NUMBER OF ISSUES INVOLVING THIS.
3:43:52PM I AM NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY.
3:43:54PM I WOULD VOTE NO ON IT.
3:43:56PM RESPECTFULLY, I THINK IT WOULD OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS ON
3:44:00PM MANY, MANY ISSUES POTENTIALLY.
3:44:02PM AND I JUST SAY THAT FROM MY EXPERIENCE.
3:44:05PM I DON'T THINK IT'S WISE.
3:44:07PM I UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT.
3:44:08PM AND I AM GLAD TO SUPPORT YOUR ORDINANCE.
3:44:10PM I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING THAT WE ARE DOING, AND
3:44:13PM WHATNOT, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE BUT THIS I THINK WOULD
3:44:17PM HAVE A LOT OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, CONSEQUENCES THAT
3:44:20PM MAKER OF THE MOTION OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T INTEND BUT MAY
3:44:23PM ULTIMATELY GO THERE.
3:44:24PM SO AGAIN WITHOUT GETTING INTO THINGS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
3:44:27PM OPEN UP CANS OF WARMS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE COLLEGIAL AND
3:44:32PM SUPPORT MOTIONS AND COME BACK FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION BUT
3:44:36PM ON THIS ONE, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CON OF WORMS THERE.
3:44:41PM THANK YOU.
3:44:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:44:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY QUESTION IS, RETROACTIVELY APPROVE
3:44:47PM OR NOT APPROVE A SETTLEMENT, LET'S SAY IT'S A MILLION DOLLAR
3:44:51PM SETTLEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED THREE YEARS AGO.
3:44:53PM WE MADE THE PAYOUT TO SAID INDIVIDUAL.
3:44:57PM WE NOW DO NOT APPROVE IT RETROACTIVELY.
3:44:59PM DO WE SUE THAT INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO GET THAT MONEY BACK?
3:45:03PM WHAT HAPPENS?
3:45:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND AS I SAY, I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AS MUCH
3:45:08PM AS YOU WANT BUT THE CAN OF WORMS WAS OPENED A FEW WEEKS AGO
3:45:11PM WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THIS RULE WAS CHANGED I THINK WITHOUT
3:45:15PM COUNCIL'S KNOWLEDGE BY A TWO PARAGRAPH MEMO, WHILE THE
3:45:19PM ORDINANCE FROM 2006 IS STILL ON THE BOOKS, AND SO THE ADVICE
3:45:23PM I GOT WAS THAT WE NEED TO APPROVE THEM RETROACTIVELY.
3:45:28PM AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT THEM TO DECIDE WHETHER
3:45:31PM WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THEM OR NOT, THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE
3:45:35PM THEM RETROACTIVELY.
3:45:36PM THAT PREVENT IT IS BIGGER CAN OF WORMS FROM OPENING.
3:45:39PM SO IF YOU ALL VOTE THIS DOWN, AT LEAST I HAVE DONE MY DUTY
3:45:42PM TO PUT THIS ON THE TABLE AND TRY TO PROTECT THE CITY.
3:45:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:45:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO,
3:45:54PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:45:55PM AND IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
3:45:56PM BUT IS IT THE RIGHT TIME RIGHT NOW?
3:45:58PM I THINK EVERYONE HAS GOT A SITUATION.
3:46:02PM I HAVE GOT A SITUATION.
3:46:08PM I HAVE HAD SEVERAL LOOK AT THE SAME STUFF AND SAY THE PRIOR
3:46:11PM STATE ATTORNEY WAS IN VIOLATION OF THAT.
3:46:17PM ALL SAID THE SAME THING THAT THE CHARTER WAS SPECIFIC ON
3:46:20PM THAT ITEM BUT NOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR FOR THE
3:46:23PM ORDINANCE TO MOVE FORWARD.
3:46:24PM AND WE WILL DEAL WITH BY SITUATION WHEN THAT COMES OUT.
3:46:27PM BUT RIGHT NOW, THOSE THINGS ARE DEBATE NOW.
3:46:33PM YOU MIGHT LOOK UP SOME OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE
3:46:36PM POTENTIALLY HURTFUL TO THE CITY.
3:46:39PM SO MAYBE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT AND BROUGHT TO LIGHT,
3:46:44PM AND A NEW ORDINANCE AND MOVE ON FROM THERE.
3:46:47PM I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO, THOUGH.
3:46:49PM YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.
3:46:50PM >> WAS THERE A SECOND ON YOUR MOTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
3:46:58PM IS THERE A SECOND ON COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION?
3:47:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION.
3:47:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:47:08PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
3:47:12PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:47:19PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:47:20PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:47:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: -- MY MOTION, THAT CITY COUNCIL REQUEST THAT
3:47:37PM THE OF CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW THE CONTRACTS OVER 25,000, SINCE
3:47:45PM 2018, THAT WERE NOT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR ANY CITY
3:47:49PM COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO REQUEST IT.
3:47:52PM THE REASON WHY I MADE THAT MOTION IS OTHERWISE I AM GOING TO
3:47:55PM GET CHARGED PUBLIC RECORDS IF I PULL IT.
3:47:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:48:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES?
3:48:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE MOTION WAS TO SEE -- I DON'T HAVE A
3:48:14PM PROBLEM WITH THAT.
3:48:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SEE THEM.
3:48:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:48:23PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:48:25PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
3:48:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
3:48:31PM SO YOU ARE ASKING THAT THOSE RECORDS BE MADE AVAILABLE TO
3:48:34PM YOU.
3:48:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: TO ANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WANTS TO SEE
3:48:38PM THEM.
3:48:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
3:48:40PM THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS GOING TO BE, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, I
3:48:45PM DISCUSS IT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
3:48:47PM I'M SURE THERE IS A TON OF SETTLEMENTS OVER $25,000.
3:48:50PM I AM JUST NOT SURE OF THE WORK, ET CETERA.
3:48:54PM IF YOU WANT TO LOOK INTO THEM, PUBLIC RECORD, I'M SURE
3:48:59PM THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
3:49:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:49:05PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:49:07PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:49:08PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:49:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT SURE WHAT I AM HEARING, BECAUSE
3:49:13PM I JUST WANT IT CLEAR IN MY MIND.
3:49:14PM I'M THINKING ABOUT THE WHAT-IFS.
3:49:19PM THEY ARE MAKING YOU PAY FOR THIS?
3:49:20PM THAT'S WHAT YOU ASK THEM TO DO?
3:49:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT IS A DIFFERENT ONE.
3:49:24PM THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT ANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BE
3:49:27PM ABLE TO LOOK AT.
3:49:28PM I HAVEN'T ASKED FOR IT YET.
3:49:34PM BUT PROBABLY IT WILL REQUIRE -- THEY WILL TRY TO DO A LEGAL
3:49:37PM REVIEW AND CHARGE ME FOR A LEGAL FEE.
3:49:40PM SO THE REST OF YOU MAY 2022 LOOK AT THEM, TOO.
3:49:43PM BUT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITY AND TAXPAYERS, SO I AM
3:49:50PM JUST CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT'S IN THERE.
3:49:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE.
3:49:56PM HOWEVER, I HAVE GOT A -- FOR MY ATTORNEY TO READ IT TO SEE
3:50:02PM IF IT QUALIFIES.
3:50:03PM I AM NOT DOUBTING YOUR WORDING.
3:50:05PM BUT I HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT X IN THE CHARTER.
3:50:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND GIVEN THE 2006 ORDINANCE, PLEASE.
3:50:12PM GIVEN THE 2006 ORDINANCE, THE ONE THAT WHERE CITY COUNCIL
3:50:17PM APPROVED BY THE MAYOR AND THE CITY ATTORNEY GAVE THE CITY
3:50:20PM ATTORNEY THE RIGHT TO --
3:50:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR IT.
3:50:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE QUESTION IS -- AND AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO
3:50:31PM DISSECT THIS -- WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
3:50:34PM DOES THAT INCLUDE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS?
3:50:36PM DOES THAT INCLUDE CLAIM FILES?
3:50:38PM IN OTHER WORDS --
3:50:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS.
3:50:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS.
3:50:45PM ARE SETTLE AGREEMENTS -- AND I DON'T KNOW THIS.
3:50:47PM I HAVE NEVER DEALT IN PUBLIC SECTOR LIKE THIS -- ARE
3:50:52PM SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS THEMSELVES PUBLIC RECORDS?
3:50:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: SOME OF THEM ARE.
3:50:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND THAT'S WHY -- I MEAN, MAYBE I WOULD 2022
3:51:04PM ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY ON A FEW ISSUES THAT I AM THINKING OF.
3:51:08PM AND IF IT WAS LIKE A PRINTOUT OF X VERSUS X, PAYOUT THIS
3:51:12PM AMOUNT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M SURE THAT'S REASONABLE.
3:51:16PM I JUST DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP -- I DON'T WANT TO USE CAN OF
3:51:20PM WORMS AGAIN -- I JUST DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP SOMETHING THAT
3:51:23PM COULD RESULT IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF RECORDS GETTING OUT THERE.
3:51:26PM AGAIN --
3:51:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULDN'T TAKE ANY OF THEM.
3:51:32PM I WOULD SIT IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND REVIEW THEM.
3:51:37PM DID WE VOTE ON IT?
3:51:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
3:51:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM GOING TO SAY NO.
3:51:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:51:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:51:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY SAY NO NOT THAT I
3:51:52PM DON'T WANT TO THE SUPPORT THE REQUEST.
3:51:53PM I WANT MORE SPECIFICITY.
3:51:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:51:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
3:52:02PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED --
3:52:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK, AND I AM SURE I
3:52:08PM COULD VOTE YES.
3:52:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION,
3:52:12PM PLEASE.
3:52:16PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY COME
3:52:22PM BACK AT STAFF REPORTS NEXT WEEK TO REVIEW HOW TO DEAL WITH
3:52:28PM THE CONTRACTS THAT WERE NOT SIGNED SINCE 2018 OVER 25,000.
3:52:34PM AND TO DISCUSS WHETHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AS OFFICERS OF
3:52:39PM THE CITY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENTS.
3:52:43PM DECEMBER 1st.
3:52:44PM THANK YOU.
3:52:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW MANY DO WE HAVE SET FOR DECEMBER
3:52:51PM 1st?
3:52:51PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:53:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN DO IT ON -- DECEMBER 15th.
3:53:16PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:53:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: JANUARY 19th.
3:53:28PM >> I AM FINE WITH THAT ONE.
3:53:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
3:53:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
3:53:36PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
3:53:40PM MANISCALCO.
3:53:40PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:53:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST CONGRATS TO YVETTE LEWIS AND THE NEW
3:53:45PM BOARD OF THE NAACP LAST NIGHT.
3:53:51PM >> SECOND.
3:53:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
3:54:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYTHING ELSE?
3:54:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DECEMBER 4th WILL BE MY PASTOR KAYEB
3:54:15PM BARNUM, 50th BIRTHDAY, AND I WISH TO PRESENT HIM WITH A
3:54:20PM COMMENDATION OFF-SITE.
3:54:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
3:54:24PM MOTION BY CHAIRMAN CITRO.
3:54:26PM SECOND BY MEMBER GUDES.
3:54:28PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:54:29PM OPPOSED?
3:54:30PM ANYTHING ELSE?
3:54:32PM MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
3:54:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR?
3:54:36PM [SOUNDING GAVEL]
3:54:37PM [MEETING ADJOURNED]
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