Tampa city Council
Thursday, December 1, 2022
9:00 a.m. Session
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09:04:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DECEMBER 1, 2022.
09:05:10AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU WILL DO THE INTRODUCTION FOR THE
09:05:15AM INVOCATION.
09:05:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:05:20AM MY PLEASURE TODAY TO INVITE AND WELCOME PASTOR CHRISTOPHER
09:05:23AM HARRIS, A NATIVE OF POLATKA, FLORIDA AND PREVIOUSLY IN
09:05:30AM EDUCATION ADMINISTRATION.
09:05:30AM KNOWN AS A WISDOM TEACHER, SAVVY ADVOCATE AND ADMINISTRATOR.
09:05:36AM LEADER WITH THE SHEPHERD'S HEART THAT LEADS ORGANIZATIONS TO
09:05:40AM HEALTH AND SUSTAINABILITY.
09:05:41AM ENERGETIC CREATIVE SPEAKER, AUTHOR, PODCASTER AND CONTENT
09:05:48AM CREATOR.
09:05:48AM LEADING PEOPLE, INSPIRING FAMILIES AND LEADING ORGANIZATIONS
09:05:53AM WITH MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUDGETS.
09:05:55AM AND MANAGES COMMUNITY, LASTING CHANGE AND TRANSFORMATION.
09:05:58AM HE CURRENTLY SERVES AS CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF CROSSOVER
09:06:04AM CHURCH OF TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:06:05AM HE RESIDES IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, WITH HIS WIFE OF OVER 20 YEARS
09:06:08AM AND FOUR CHILDREN.
09:06:09AM DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATION AND VISION FOR FULL GOSPEL
09:06:13AM BAPTIST CHURCH FELLOWSHIP INTERNATIONAL AND AS FOUNDER.
09:06:22AM THE PODCAST TO 29 NATIONS IN THE WORLD AND AUTHOR AND
09:06:29AM CO-AUTHOR OF THREE BOOKS.
09:06:30AM ALSO INVOLVING HIM BEING THE FOUNDER AND CHIEF CONTENT
09:06:33AM CREATOR FOR INSPIRED GROUP LCC, THE TIMOTHY PROJECT AND THE
09:06:38AM HEALTHY URBAN CHURCH INITIATIVE.
09:06:40AM AN ALUM OF FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE
09:06:43AM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
09:06:45AM SEMINARY TRAINING AT PRINCETON THEOLOGICAL.
09:06:50AM AND SERVING AT DUKE DIVINITY SCHOOL AND DOCTORATE AT NOVA
09:06:55AM SOUTHEASTERN UNIVERSITIES.
09:06:57AM HIS COMMUNITY WORK WITH 400 HONORS, AWARDS AND COMMENDATIONS
09:07:01AM INCLUDING BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA AND A BOARD
09:07:05AM MEMBER OF CLOTHES TO KIDS, URBAN LEAGUE OF HILLSBOROUGH AND
09:07:08AM MEMBER OF LEADERSHIP TAMPA.
09:07:11AM IT IS MY PLEASURE TO WELCOME THIS GENTLEMAN HERE WHOSE LIFE
09:07:19AM MISSION IS TO INSPIRE PEOPLE TO LIVE WISE LIVES.
09:07:22AM WE PLEASE STAND AND PASTOR, TAKE IT AWAY.
09:07:25AM >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
09:07:33AM THIS IS MAYBE MY TENTH TIME, AND I APPRECIATE THE HONOR AND
09:07:36AM OPPORTUNITY.
09:07:36AM LET'S PRAY.
09:07:37AM GOD OF PEACE, GIVER OF HOPE, SUSTAINER OF LIFE, SOURCE OF
09:07:42AM HEALTH AND HEALING, WELL SPRING OF WISDOM AND AUTHOR AND
09:07:46AM FINISHER OF OUR FAITH WE PAUSE IN THIS MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE
09:07:50AM OUR NEED FOR YOU.
09:07:51AM WE DESPERATELY CLAIM OUR DEPENDENCE ON YOUR HEALTH TO LIVE
09:07:56AM WELL, LOVE WELL AND LEGISLATURE AS WELL.
09:07:59AM RELIANCE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS OF RIGHT AND WRONG AND NOT OUR
09:08:04AM EGOS, POLITICAL PREFERENCES OR DISTORTED PERCEPTIONS.
09:08:08AM WE THANK YOU, DEAR GOD FOR THE PEACE AND AUTHORITY WE ENJOY
09:08:12AM TODAY IN THE PEACE NOT ONLY IN OUR CITY BUT OUR NATION.
09:08:16AM WE OFTEN TAKE FOR GRANTED.
09:08:18AM HOLY SPIRIT FILL OUR CITY LEADERS WITH UNDERSTANDING,
09:08:21AM DISCERNMENT AND KNOWLEDGE.
09:08:23AM GRANT THEM FAVOR, INCREASE THEIR FAITH, PREPARE THEM TO
09:08:27AM PURSUE YOUR WILL FOR THE CITY.
09:08:29AM CAUSE THEM TO KNOW AND FULFILL PURPOSES FOR THEIR LIVES
09:08:32AM INDIVIDUALLY AND FOR OUR LIVES COLLECTIVELY.
09:08:35AM FATHER, I ASK THAT YOU WILL PLACE PEOPLE IN THEIR PATHS THAT
09:08:38AM WILL PROVIDE SOUND, GODLY ADVICE AND COUNSEL.
09:08:42AM FOR WITHOUT YOUR COUNSEL, OUR PLANS WILL ALL GO AWRY.
09:08:45AM DEAL WITH OUR LEADERS OF KEEPING THEIR HEARTS AND MOTIVES
09:08:49AM PURE.
09:08:50AM WE ASK THAT YOU WILL MAKE THEIR HEARTS PLIABLE AND WILLING
09:08:53AM AND OBEDIENT TO YOUR WILL AND TO YOUR WAY AND CAUSE THEM
09:08:57AM TO GLORIFY YOUR NAME.
09:08:58AM GREAT GOD, PLEASE FORGIVE ALL OF US FOR OUR SINS OR
09:09:02AM MISGIVINGS.
09:09:03AM FORGIVE THOSE WHO DO NOT CONSULT YOU DAILY.
09:09:06AM FORGIVE OUR LEADERS THAT OPERATE FROM GREED, HYPOCRISY,
09:09:11AM PRIDE, ARROGANCE, SLANDER, ELITISM, IMPARTIALITY,
09:09:17AM MANIPULATION, UNGODLINESS OR ANY ACTS OF SINFULNESS.
09:09:21AM WE ASK THAT YOU RECEIVE OUR FORGIVENESS AND NOT PRAYING FOR
09:09:26AM OUR LEADERS CONSISTENTLY AND OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO FOR
09:09:31AM SELFISH MOVEMENTS AND NETWORK.
09:09:34AM I ASK THAT WE ALWAYS PRIORITIZE PEOPLE OVER OUR POLITICS AND
09:09:38AM OVER OUR REFERENCES.
09:09:39AM GOD, YOU ARE THE GIVER OF LIFE AND HEALTH AND WE PRAY
09:09:43AM COMFORT OF THOSE CHALLENGED WITH SERIOUS OR CHRONIC
09:09:47AM ILLNESSES, MENTAL OR EMOTIONAL, AND I GIVE THE POWER OF YOUR
09:09:52AM HEALING TO THOSE WHO MINISTER IN THEIR NEEDS AND STRENGTHEN
09:09:55AM IN THEIR WEAKNESS AND HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THEIR LOVING CARE.
09:09:58AM YOUR WISDOM PRODUCE IN THEM CREATIVE IDEAS, SOLUTIONS TO
09:10:02AM PROBLEMS, NEW TECHNOLOGY AND NEW PRODUCTS.
09:10:07AM GIVE US SOUND JUDGMENT TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND GIVE US
09:10:10AM GREATER KNOWLEDGE, UNDERSTANDING AND POWER TO LIVE
09:10:14AM SKILLFULLY AND GIVE BACK IN THIS COMMUNITY.
09:10:16AM BY NAME I CALL OUT EACH ONE OF OUR IF IT JOSEPH CITRO, ORLANDO
09:10:22AM GUDES, CHARLIE MIRANDA, LYNN HURTAK, BILL CARLSON, GUIDO MANISCALCO
09:10:31AM AND LUIS VIERA.
09:10:33AM I PRAY THAT YOU BLESS THEM AND KEEP THEM AND SHINE YOUR FACE
09:10:37AM ON THEM AND GRACIOUS TO THEM.
09:10:38AM TURN YOUR FACE TOWARD THEM AND GIVE THEM PEACE.
09:10:41AM IN JESUS'S NAME, AMEN.
09:10:42AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:10:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, PLEASE BE SEATED.
09:11:01AM ROLL CALL.
09:11:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:11:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:11:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:11:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:11:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:11:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:11:12AM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:11:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:11:15AM MR. SHELBY.
09:11:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
09:11:21AM CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
09:11:22AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.
09:11:24AM I WILL BE BRIEF.
09:11:24AM BROADCAST ON SPECTRUM 640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 AND ON THE
09:11:29AM INTERNET LIVESTREAMED TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
09:11:36AM YOU CAN APPEAR IN CHAMBERS OR VIRTUALLY AND REQUIRES
09:11:41AM PREREGISTRATION AND THE PORTAL OF THAT AND ALL THE
09:11:44AM INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN THE CITY COUNCIL NOTICE OF THIS
09:11:46AM HEARING AND ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE,
09:11:54AM TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
09:11:54AM I ASK THAT THE RULES TO BE WAIVED TO ALLOW THE CONTINUED USE
09:11:58AM OF CMT.
09:11:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
09:12:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
09:12:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:12:03AM THANK YOU.
09:12:04AM LET'S DO OUR AGENDA REVIEW PLEASE, AND I BELIEVE OUR CHIEF OF
09:12:20AM STAFF IS NOT GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TYPE OF UPDATE TODAY.
09:12:26AM IN THAT PLACE, MISS TRAVIS.
09:12:29AM CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 41 IS BEING ASKED TO BE PULLED
09:12:33AM AND PLACED YOU CAN UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:12:35AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
09:12:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WILL BE THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HEAR
09:12:40AM UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:12:41AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
09:12:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN YOU HAVE A WALK-ON.
09:12:46AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
09:12:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN AGENDA NUMBER 2, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP
09:12:59AM ON.
09:12:59AM NUMBER 3.
09:13:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR -- MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I BE
09:13:04AM RECOGNIZED.
09:13:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
09:13:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE MR. BAIRD TO SPEAK OF
09:13:12AM THIS.
09:13:12AM I WAS SURPRISED AND WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW IT.
09:13:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
09:13:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH CHIEF O'CONNOR
09:13:22AM THIS MORNING AND DUE TO SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SHE IS
09:13:25AM ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE SO WE HAVE MORE TIME TO FIGURE OUT
09:13:31AM WHAT'S GOING ON.
09:13:32AM SO SHE DID NOT SEND ME A DATE YET, SO I AM GOING TO
09:13:36AM TENTATIVELY SAY JANUARY 5.
09:13:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, JANUARY 5.
09:13:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED I WILL DO SO AT
09:13:46AM ANOTHER TIME.
09:13:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
09:13:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:13:49AM MR.CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:13:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO READ JUSTIN
09:13:58AM GARCIA'S ARGUMENT IN "CREATIVE LOAFING" AND THE FOLLOW-UP.
09:14:02AM WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION COMING OUT THAT MAY BE
09:14:05AM TECHNICALLY ACCURATE AND MAY NOT BE ACCURATE AND MAY BE
09:14:09AM MISLEADING.
09:14:10AM I WOULD ENCOURAGE IN THE REPORT COMING BACK THAT WE BE
09:14:14AM TRANSPARENT AND ACCURATE IN THE INFORMATION THAT IS GIVEN,
09:14:17AM THANK YOU.
09:14:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
09:14:22AM KEEP THAT.
09:14:23AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:14:24AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH VIK BHIDE, HEAD OF
09:14:30AM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, AND I HAVE HAD MY QUESTIONS
09:14:34AM ANSWERED.
09:14:35AM DOES ANY OTHER MEMBER -- BOARD MEMBER -- EXCUSE ME,
09:14:40AM COUNCILMEMBER WANT TO --
09:14:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL JUST MAKE A COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN,
09:14:44AM THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH THE PAST COUNCIL AND
09:14:47AM FUTURE COUNCILS.
09:14:49AM AND HAVE A SITUATION WHEN YOU PASS A ZONING AND YOU HAVE TO
09:14:52AM HAVE THOSE, I GUESS.
09:14:54AM WHAT HAPPENS IS IN GOOD FAITH, INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS THAT
09:14:58AM DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.
09:14:58AM HE COMPLIES, BUT SELLS IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, BUT NO TRACING
09:15:02AM MECHANISM AS TO HOW THAT GOES BACK TO THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO
09:15:05AM BOUGHT IT.
09:15:05AM UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO FIX.
09:15:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
09:15:09AM AND I PROBABLY WILL MAKE A MOTION LATER ON TODAY THAT WE
09:15:12AM HAVE THIS ON A WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY ASK MOBILITY
09:15:16AM AND LEGAL TO COME IN AND LET'S SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE IF THE
09:15:26AM CITY CAN TAKE A ROLE IN.
09:15:28AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:15:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE WAS NO ACTUAL WRITTEN INFORMATION OF
09:15:31AM THIS AND I WOULD SAY, YES, I DEFINITELY WANT THEM.
09:15:34AM BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO PROPOSE THIS FOR A WORKSHOP ITEM, I
09:15:39AM THINK THAT IS A MUCH BETTER TIME SO WE DON'T SPEND TIME
09:15:42AM TODAY ON IT.
09:15:43AM SO, YES --
09:15:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL MOVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6.
09:15:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE CAN SET IT FOR A WORKSHOP NOW.
09:15:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHEN IS THE WORKSHOP AFTER THE FIRST OF THE
09:15:54AM YEAR.
09:15:55AM LET'S GIVE 60 DAYS FOR THIS.
09:15:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WILL BE FEBRUARY.
09:15:59AM >>CLERK: FEBRUARY --
09:16:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FEBRUARY 23.
09:16:06AM HOW FULL ARE WE WITH WORKSHOPS THAT DAY?
09:16:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: FIVE, SIX, SEVEN ITEMS.
09:16:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MARCH 23.
09:16:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION FOR MARCH 23.
09:16:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:16:20AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:16:22AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:16:23AM THANK YOU.
09:16:25AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
09:16:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO -- I SENT A MEMO ON THIS.
09:16:30AM I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 19.
09:16:34AM TWO REASONS.
09:16:34AM ONE, IT DOESN'T MENTION THE WORD "PURE" AND PEOPLE WERE
09:16:39AM SURPRISED ABOUT IT.
09:16:40AM >> SECOND.
09:16:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:16:45AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:16:47AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
09:16:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:16:50AM I KNOW WE HAVE ACTUAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE TO TALK ABOUT
09:16:53AM THIS TODAY.
09:16:54AM SO I -- THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THIS IS I READ THE MEMO, AND IT
09:17:03AM -- THIS DOES NOT SAY "PURE" BUT WE HAD AGREED TO STOP
09:17:08AM CALLING THIS "PURE."
09:17:10AM SO I DON'T DISAGREE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF WORDING SO
09:17:16AM THE PUBLIC KNOWS.
09:17:17AM DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THE "PURE" LABEL OR PREFER TO DO A
09:17:21AM DIFFERENT LABEL.
09:17:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY, I DON'T -- MR. CHAIR.
09:17:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:17:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T REMEMBER CHANGING THE LABEL ON IT.
09:17:28AM BUT THIS ONE IS -- THIS IS THE CITY'S EXCUSE FOR DOING
09:17:33AM "PURE."
09:17:34AM SO I THINK THE PUBLIC KNOWS THE CITY IN YEARS PAST LOBBIED
09:17:37AM TO GET THIS PASSED.
09:17:39AM SO I THINK WE -- JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY REASON, I THINK WE
09:17:43AM SHOULD CALL IT "PURE" BECAUSE IT IS RELATED TO "PURE" AND I
09:17:48AM WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY AND WE HAVE PEOPLE
09:17:50AM WHO LAST NIGHT CONTACTED ME WHO SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK
09:17:53AM ABOUT IT, BUT NOW WE HAVE ALREADY SCHEDULED OTHER THINGS.
09:17:56AM IF WE KNEW IT WAS "PURE" WE WOULD FLAG IT AND TALK ABOUT IT.
09:18:00AM WE CAN HEAR IT NOW AND ON JANUARY 19.
09:18:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM FINE WITH THAT.
09:18:06AM IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR ANYTHING FROM THE "PURE" TAG I AM FINE
09:18:11AM WITH THAT.
09:18:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: NOT ALL WATER, BUT THINGS RELATED TO CURE.
09:18:15AM MR. CHAIR.
09:18:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE, MR. CARSON AND THEN I WILL HAVE A
09:18:21AM COMMENT TO MAKE AFTER YOU ARE FINISHED.
09:18:23AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE WILL ENTER INTO DEEPER DISCUSSIONS OF
09:18:26AM PURE SOME TIME SOON, AND I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO LOOK AT
09:18:29AM ALL THE LEGAL AND LOBBYING AVENUES WE CAN TO STOP IT.
09:18:33AM I TALKED TO PEOPLE AROUND THE STATE AND NO REASON WHY TAMPA
09:18:36AM SHOULD BE DOING IT, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE MOVING FORWARD IN A
09:18:39AM VERY SUSPICIOUS WAY.
09:18:40AM THANK YOU.
09:18:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS DUNCAN.
09:18:43AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, WE ARE PERFECTLY INTERESTED IN
09:18:46AM ACCOMMODATING THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST AND REQUEST.
09:18:49AM I WOULD JUST SAY ON THE LABELING OF "PURE."
09:18:54AM IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR BY THE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE
09:18:57AM COUNCIL ANYWAY, THAT "PURE" AS IT WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY
09:19:01AM IN TERMS OF A CONTRACT WITH CERTAIN FRAMEWORK AND PARAMETERS
09:19:07AM AND TIME FRAME WAS NO LONGER GOING TO BE ACTIVE IN THAT
09:19:10AM STATE.
09:19:10AM WHICH IS ACTIVE IN THAT STATE IS THE REMAINDER OF THE
09:19:13AM CONTRACT DOLLARS TO ADDRESS THE MOTION MADE BY THIS BODY.
09:19:17AM NO FORMER PURE PROJECT.
09:19:18AM NO FORMER PURE PROJECT IN THAT SAME FRAMEWORK AND IN THAT
09:19:26AM SAME CONDITION; HOWEVER, WE ARE STILL AS RESPONSIBLE EXPERTS
09:19:30AM IN THE FIELD GOING TO PURSUE AND RESEARCH AND STUDY AND
09:19:35AM COORDINATE WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND ALL THOSE OTHER DUE
09:19:39AM DILIGENCE ACTIONS OF MAKING SURE WE HAVE A SAFE, RELIABLE
09:19:42AM WATER SUPPLY, ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS FOR OUR WATER
09:19:45AM RESOURCE AND ALL THOSE RELATED ASPECTS.
09:19:50AM SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT PURE ALREADY HAS A
09:19:55AM CERTAIN CONNOTATION AND A CERTAIN SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING
09:19:58AM WITH THE VERY LITTLE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WE WERE ABLE TO DO
09:20:02AM AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE GENERIC AND
09:20:06AM IF THAT IS NOW KNOWN AMONG THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE
09:20:09AM INTERESTED PARTIES THAT LABEL IS REPRESENTING THESE WATER
09:20:12AM TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS, THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO GO.
09:20:16AM BUT WE ARE FOLLOWING DO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WOULD REQUEST.
09:20:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:20:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:20:26AM MISS DUNCAN, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BRING THIS TO A CLOSE.
09:20:31AM THIS IS THE PROJECT.
09:20:32AM THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE.
09:20:33AM WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
09:20:34AM THESE ARE THE CHOICES.
09:20:35AM WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT TO DO.
09:20:37AM WHEN IS THAT -- SO WE CAN GET THE "PURE" NAME AND MOVE ON
09:20:42AM WITH THIS WATER SITUATION.
09:20:43AM IT HAS BEEN LINGERING FOREVER AND WHEN WILL WE HAVE A
09:20:47AM DEFINITIVE PROJECT TO SAY THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION WE
09:20:50AM BELIEVE FROM OUR EXPERTS, VERSUS WHAT THE PUBLIC SAYS AND
09:20:54AM HERE IT IS.
09:20:54AM WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO.
09:20:55AM WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:20:57AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE ACTIVITY THAT IS OCCURRING NOW IS WORKING
09:21:00AM ON THE VARIOUS MOTIONS THAT CAME OUT IN SEPTEMBER.
09:21:03AM WITH THE MAY JOR ONE BEING IN FEBRUARY A WORKSHOP ON THE
09:21:06AM WORK THAT OUR CONSULTANT IS DOING IN CONCERT WITH THE CITY
09:21:09AM AND OTHER AGENCIES TO RESPOND TO THAT MOTION.
09:21:12AM WE DO NOT HAVE A CONTRACT OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THINGS ANY
09:21:17AM FURTHER BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS NOT APPROVED ANYTHING FURTHER
09:21:20AM FOR US.
09:21:21AM SO THAT IS THE LANDING POINT FOR NOW IN TERMS OF A PUBLIC
09:21:24AM DISCUSSION.
09:21:26AM THE WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER.
09:21:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
09:21:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:21:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST FOR THE EASING OF MIND, IF SOMETHING
09:21:34AM IS FOR "PURE."
09:21:36AM GOT TO HAVE THE NAME OF PURE ON IT AND THIS COUNCIL HAS TO
09:21:39AM VOTE ON IT FOR ANY FUNDING, AM I CORRECT?
09:21:42AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, BUT NO MORE PURE PROJECT.
09:21:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT I AM GETTING TO THE POINT.
09:21:47AM THE POINT IS IF SOMEBODY WAS TO DO THAT, IT WOULD BE
09:21:52AM DRASTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PUBLIC
09:21:54AM UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT INDIVIDUAL, HE OR SHE DID IN A HIGHER
09:21:59AM OFFICE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
09:22:00AM IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATELY AT ANY TIME, NUMBER ONE.
09:22:04AM 23478 TWO -- NOT RELATED -- IF IT IS WATER EVERYTHING IS
09:22:07AM RELATED BUT PURE IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS.
09:22:09AM LIKE EVERYBODY IN MY FAMILY HAVE THE LAST NAME OF MIRANDA.
09:22:12AM THEY DON'T.
09:22:13AM I HAVE A 50 SOME COUSINS AND ALL HAVE DIFFERENT LAST NAMES.
09:22:17AM IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE ME.
09:22:19AM IT MEANS THEY ARE RELATED TO ME.
09:22:21AM THE SAME THING HERE.
09:22:22AM I TRY TO MAKE THINGS TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
09:22:27AM IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR PURE, IT CAN NOT BE PURE,
09:22:30AM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TRANSFER MONEY FROM SOMETHING THAT IS
09:22:33AM APPROVED TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL.
09:22:35AM TO BE AFRAID OF SOMETHING, WE WILL BE STALEMATED.
09:22:39AM OTHER WATER AGENCIES THINK 15, 20, 30, 40 YEARS AWAY TO PLAN
09:22:44AM FOR GROWTH.
09:22:44AM THEY HAVE ALL THOSE PLANNING.
09:22:46AM YOU JUST GOT TO GO LISTEN TO THEM.
09:22:48AM THEY COME UP ON CHANNEL 3.
09:22:50AM I KNOW EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE CHANNEL 3 BECAUSE THAT IS A
09:22:53AM NONAREA THAT YOU DON'T NEED THE INTERNET OR TPG OR WHATEVER
09:22:59AM IT IS THEY GET ON.
09:23:00AM THESE THINGS ARE EXPLAINED IN THOSE MEETINGS FORCEFULLY AND
09:23:04AM THOUGHTFULLY AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT
09:23:09AM IT IS.
09:23:09AM I AM NOT SAYING VOTE IT UP OR DOWN.
09:23:12AM IF IT IS UP TO EACH COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:23:16AM IF IT IS PURE, IT SHOULD HAVE THE LABEL OF PURE.
09:23:19AM NOT JUST BECAUSE IT IS WATER AND A MEMORY FAMILY OF WATER.
09:23:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:23:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:23:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD CALL IT TOILET TO TAP.
09:23:31AM BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT LABEL THAT
09:23:35AM THEY WILL SUGGEST.
09:23:35AM THE -- THE REASON WHY THIS IS TIED TO PURE, OVER THE LAST
09:23:42AM THREE AND A HALF YEARS WE DISPROVEN EVERY ARGUMENT THAT THE
09:23:45AM WATER DEPARTMENT MADE OF THIS PROJECT.
09:23:46AM THE ONLY ONE LEFT THEY ARE FORCED TO DO IT BY THE STATE.
09:23:49AM I CONTACTED THE STATE, THEY SAID THAT IS RUBBISH, THE STATE
09:23:53AM RESPONDED NOW NEGATIVELY.
09:23:55AM WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A VERY SUSPICIOUS WAY.
09:23:58AM WE CAN TALK WITH THAT IN JANUARY.
09:24:00AM SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP THIS PROJECT
09:24:04AM FROM -- THE TAMPA -- AS YOU THOUGH TAMPA BAY WATER HAS A
09:24:09AM 20-YEAR PLAN AND TEN-YEAR SUPPLY AND WE ARE PART OF THAT.
09:24:12AM WE DON'T NEED 50 MGD FOR 100 YEARS AND DOESN'T MAKE THE
09:24:17AM SENSE TO SPEND THE MONEY TODAY THAT WE WON'T NEED FOR 100
09:24:20AM YEARS.
09:24:21AM WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN JANUARY, AND TIED TO PURE -- OR
09:24:24AM WHATEVER WE CALL THE PROJECT -- ONLY BECAUSE THE
09:24:27AM JUSTIFICATION THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD BY STATE LAW.
09:24:29AM WE HAVE A LEGAL TEAM.
09:24:30AM WE HAVE A LOBBYING TEAM.
09:24:32AM THE LOBBYISTS SAY THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING IN FAVOR OF THIS
09:24:36AM IN THE PAST, WE AS CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE
09:24:39AM TO STOP THEM FROM DOING THAT OR ASK THEM TO GIVE US AN
09:24:43AM EXCEPTION.
09:24:43AM CRAZY TO PUT IT ON THE BACKS OF OUR RATE PAYERS, THANK YOU.
09:24:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS DUNCAN.
09:24:49AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD
09:24:52AM TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN CONSIDERING WE TONIGHT HAVE
09:24:56AM FUNDING FOR A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN TO HAVE REALLY TRUE,
09:24:59AM PROPER, COMPREHENSIVE ENGAGEMENT.
09:25:01AM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS VERY LIMITED TO A FEW PEOPLE THAT TAKE
09:25:05AM THEIR PRECIOUS FREE TIME AND GET INVOLVED WITH THESE TOPICS.
09:25:08AM WE APPRECIATE THAT.
09:25:10AM THAT IS NOT REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE CITY'S VIEWPOINT OF THIS
09:25:14AM I THINK SO.
09:25:14AM WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
09:25:17AM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY -- AND I TAKE EXCEPTION THE WORD
09:25:20AM "SUSPICIOUS."
09:25:22AM WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO BE TRANSPARENT TO INCLUDE ALL
09:25:26AM PARTIES OF INTEREST, TO INCLUDE THE APPROPRIATE AGENCIES.
09:25:30AM NO INFORMATION OR EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE DONE SIGNIFICANCE
09:25:32AM THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SUSPICIOUS.
09:25:35AM I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE KEEP OUR CONVERSATIONS FACTUAL AND
09:25:41AM PROFESSIONAL AND NOT BRING IN ACCUSATIONS THAT CAN'T BE
09:25:50AM PROVEN.
09:25:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN
09:25:52AM MIRANDA.
09:25:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM PERSONALLY FINE HEARING IT TODAY.
09:26:00AM I AM ALSO -- ALSO IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON REALLY WANTS IT IN
09:26:05AM JANUARY, I AM HAPPY TO DO JANUARY.
09:26:07AM THE ONLY THING I ASKED -- I SPOKE WITH MISS DUNCAN LAST
09:26:12AM NIGHT AND THE ONLY THING I ASKED IS THAT THE ACTUAL
09:26:15AM LITERATURE THAT -- THAT WE SENT TO THE -- TO THE STATE AND
09:26:19AM THAT THE STATE SENT BACK TO US BE ADDED TO SIRE.
09:26:23AM YOU SAID YOU COULD DO THAT AT SOME POINT TODAY.
09:26:26AM SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO GO AND LOOK AT IT IF THEY
09:26:30AM ARE LISTENING RIGHT NOW OR LISTENING LATER.
09:26:33AM THEY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE DOCUMENTS.
09:26:35AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THAT IS DEFINITELY PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE.
09:26:37AM THE CONCERN I HAD AFTER WE SPOKE LAST NIGHT IS THAT THIS IS
09:26:43AM REALLY A VERBAL ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
09:26:46AM WASN'T ANY PROTOCOL OR PROCESS THAT THIS TYPE OF THING WILL
09:26:54AM BE LOADED IN SIRE.
09:26:58AM WE PERSONALLY E-MAILED, AND IT DIDN'T COME IN THE THOUGHT
09:27:02AM PROCESS OF DOING THAT.
09:27:03AM WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL OF WHERE DO WE DRAW THAT LINE AND
09:27:06AM WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR SOMETHING REACHING THE LEVEL OF
09:27:09AM BEING PUT INTO SIRE AND HOW DO WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS SO WE
09:27:13AM DON'T HAVE ONE BE INTERPRETATION AND COUNCIL HAS ANOTHER.
09:27:15AM SO I HAVEN'T PUT THE ITEMS IN SIRE JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO
09:27:20AM HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER THAT THOUGHT OF COUNCIL
09:27:24AM HAVING, OF WHERE DO WE HAVE DRAW THAT LINE.
09:27:26AM I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BUT WHAT IS THAT POINT
09:27:30AM OF DECISION TO PUT IT IN OR NOT.
09:27:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD SAY WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE SINCE
09:27:36AM WE ARE TALKING OF THEIR RESPONSE, THAT IT WILL BE NICE TO
09:27:41AM SEE THE RESPONSE.
09:27:41AM SO I AM -- I DEFINITELY THINK THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE
09:27:47AM INCLUDED.
09:27:49AM SO IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:27:51AM I AM FINE HEARING IT TODAY.
09:27:52AM I AM ALSO -- BUT IF WE DO HEAR IT TODAY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE
09:27:57AM TO BE ABLE TO HEAR IT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE FOLKS DIDN'T
09:28:01AM HAVE NECESSARILY TIME TO LOOK AT THE DATA OR THE
09:28:05AM INFORMATION.
09:28:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:28:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL HOLD UNTIL JANUARY.
09:28:13AM LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, I AM FLEXIBLE.
09:28:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMEMBERS, WE TALKED MORE ABOUT THIS
09:28:21AM ISSUE THAN WHAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.
09:28:24AM MAY I SEE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS A SHOW OF HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO
09:28:28AM ARE HERE TO SPEAK OR LISTEN TO THIS STAFF REPORT?
09:28:33AM JUST A SHOW OF HANDS.
09:28:34AM COUNCILMEMBERS, IF I MAY, WHY DON'T WE JUST HEAR THIS, AND
09:28:43AM IF SOMEBODY WISHES TO MAKE THIS A WORKSHOP ON THE 17th, WE
09:28:47AM CAN DO THAT.
09:28:47AM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
09:28:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:28:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND, HEAR IT TODAY.
09:28:54AM THE PEOPLE ARE HERE.
09:28:55AM I WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
09:28:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TALK ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
09:29:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE WE DO THAT, THE PUBLIC BEING
09:29:05AM CLEARING WITH THE STAFF REPORT, COUNCIL'S PROTOCOL THAT TO
09:29:08AM BE HEARD UP FRONT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:29:11AM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THAN PARTICULAR ITEM, THE TIME TO DO
09:29:17AM IT IS IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:29:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:29:21AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:29:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO DEFER IT
09:29:25AM BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SAY "PURE."
09:29:27AM AND WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT.
09:29:30AM AND THE DOCUMENTS WERE NOT ATTACHED TO SIRE.
09:29:33AM IF THERE IS A DOCUMENT FROM THAT A BOARD MAY REJECT OUR
09:29:40AM APPLICATION.
09:29:40AM WE SHOULD HOLD THIS UNTIL IT COMES.
09:29:42AM IT HAS CIRCULATED IN PUBLIC RECORD THAT WE GOT A COUPLE OF
09:29:47AM E-MAILS FROM A PERSON AND REALLY THAT IS WHAT THE REPORT IS
09:29:50AM TODAY.
09:29:50AM I FEEL IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE A $6 BILLION PROJECT FORWARD
09:29:55AM BECAUSE A PERSON SENT A ONE OR TWO-LINE E-MAIL, THEN THAT
09:29:58AM DEFINITELY COULD BE A PUBLIC RECORD THAT WILL BE SHOWN TO
09:30:01AM THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE.
09:30:02AM THANK YOU.
09:30:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:30:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS COMING -- THE -- WE WERE SUPPOSED TO
09:30:09AM HAVE THE 17 QUESTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE RIVER ANSWERED
09:30:12AM TODAY AND THAT HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO JANUARY 19 WHICH IS WHY
09:30:15AM I KNOW YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 19.
09:30:18AM CAN WE ADD THAT AS WELL TO JANUARY 19.
09:30:21AM CAN WE HEAR THE REPORT AND ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT ON THE 19.
09:30:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
09:30:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:30:30AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
09:30:31AM MISS TRAVIS.
09:30:32AM WE WILL BE HEARING THAT.
09:30:36AM NOPE?
09:30:38AM LET'S --
09:30:39AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I PROVIDED A WRITTEN REPORT.
09:30:41AM THANK YOU.
09:30:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: ON NUMBER 8, I WOULD LIKE TO -- I WOULD LIKE
09:30:47AM TO BRING THIS BACK ON APRIL 16 FOR AN UPDATE.
09:30:52AM >> SECOND.
09:30:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:30:56AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:30:57AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:30:59AM THANK YOU.
09:30:59AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, WE WILL BE HEARING THAT, MISS REBECCA
09:31:04AM JOHNS WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT.
09:31:07AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, YES.
09:31:09AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
09:31:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I GOT -- I GOT THE WRITTEN UPDATE AND I AM --
09:31:16AM SORRY -- I GOT THE WRITTEN UPDATE AND I AM FINE WITH THE
09:31:19AM WRITTEN UPDATE.
09:31:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
09:31:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S FINE.
09:31:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE THAT FROM THE AGENDA.
09:31:25AM 11.
09:31:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BECAUSE THAT IS ON A QUARTERLY BASIS AND
09:31:29AM WILL BE COMING BACK TO US IN FEBRUARY.
09:31:31AM SO JUST A QUARTERLY REPORT.
09:31:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:31:36AM SECONDED BY --
09:31:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MEAN IT IS ALREADY --
09:31:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FINE.
09:31:39AM WE ARE GOOD.
09:31:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:31:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:31:43AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.
09:31:45AM NUMBER 13.
09:31:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT UNTIL DECEMBER
09:31:51AM 15 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:31:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MOTION MADE BY --
09:31:56AM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THAT --
09:31:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:32:00AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:32:02AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:32:02AM NUMBER 13.
09:32:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY
09:32:06AM 19 AT REQUEST OF STAFF.
09:32:09AM >> SECOND.
09:32:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:32:12AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:32:14AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:32:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:32:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:32:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL DUE RESPECT, WE KICKED THIS ITEM DOWN
09:32:24AM THE ROAD ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.
09:32:25AM SOMEBODY WITH UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
09:32:31AM BRING THIS HOPEFULLY TO A CLOSURE.
09:32:32AM IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO A CLOSURE.
09:32:34AM MR. SHELBY, YOU AND ME HAD A DISCUSSION IN THE BACK, SIR.
09:32:37AM WITH THE DISCUSSION WE HAD, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
09:32:40AM INCLUDE OUR DISCUSSION IN REFERENCE TO -- THERE WAS A -- A
09:32:44AM MOTION PUT ON THE FLOOR BACK A WHILE AGO.
09:32:46AM AND I KNOW YOU ARE A HUMBLE GUY, BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN BE
09:32:52AM HUMBLE, BUT YOU NEED TO BE FORTHCOMING FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE
09:32:55AM DONE.
09:32:55AM SO I AM HOPING THAT YOU WILL DISCUSS THAT ISSUE THAT WAS PUT
09:32:59AM BEFORE US BEFORE WITH US YOU HERE.
09:33:02AM BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.
09:33:04AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT ALL IN ONE SHOT SO THE
09:33:08AM PUBLIC CAN KNOW, THIS COUNCIL CAN KNOW, AND THAT WAY YOU CAN
09:33:15AM TO YOUR JOB MORE EFFECTIVELY.
09:33:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THAT.
09:33:20AM I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO
09:33:23AM MOST MEMBERS OF COUNCIL REGARDING THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE
09:33:27AM NEED FOR CLOSURE AND I TALKED TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION,
09:33:29AM AND WE WILL BE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE 19th.
09:33:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:33:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14.
09:33:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CONTINUE APRIL 20, 2023.
09:33:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:33:43AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:33:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 15 TO FEBRUARY
09:33:49AM 23, 2023 PER REQUEST OF STAFF.
09:33:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:33:54AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:33:56AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:33:57AM MOTION FOR AGENDA ITEM 16 TO BE CONTINUED TO JANUARY 19.
09:34:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
09:34:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:34:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:34:14AM AGENDA ITEM ITEM NUMBER 17, REQUEST FOR FEBRUARY 2.
09:34:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
09:34:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:34:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:34:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID SPEAK WITH MISS HILLS IN REFERENCE TO
09:34:27AM THIS ITEM I WAS GOING TO HAVE HER TALK ABOUT IT, BUT AFTER
09:34:37AM GETTING HER EXPLANATION WE WILL CONTINUE THIS FOR 60 DAYS.
09:34:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND SECONDED
09:34:45AM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:34:47AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:34:47AM FEBRUARY 2.
09:34:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE ADDENDUM.
09:35:02AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:35:03AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:35:05AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:35:06AM THANK YOU.
09:35:07AM AT THIS TIME, WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:35:11AM ANYONE WISHING TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, IF YOU
09:35:14AM COULD PLEASE FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT ANYONE
09:35:34AM WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:35:35AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:35:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
09:35:51AM >> MY NAME IS JUSTIN TRAMBLE.
09:35:55AM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF TAMPA BAY WATER KEEPER.
09:35:57AM WE ARE A NONPROFIT THAT FIGHTS FOR CLEAN WATER NOT ONLY IN
09:36:01AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BUT PINELLAS COUNTY.
09:36:03AM WE REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY'S RIGHT TO CLEAN WATER.
09:36:07AM I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE ITEM THAT YOU GUYS WERE JUST
09:36:12AM TALKING ABOUT THERE.
09:36:14AM TAMPA BAY WATER KEEPER APPRECIATES THE -- THE QUESTIONS
09:36:20AM REGARDING THE DISCHARGE PROJECT.
09:36:23AM WE APPRECIATE THE STRICT SCRUTINY THAT THE COMMUNITY AND
09:36:28AM ORGANIZATIONS HAVE PROVIDED YOU ALL.
09:36:31AM BUT BIG PICTURE.
09:36:34AM THE CITY OF TAMPA CURRENTLY DISCHARGES AT PINEY POINTS
09:36:40AM CRISIS WORTH OF NUTRIENTS A YEAR INTO HILLSBOROUGH BAY.
09:36:43AM WE SUPPORT THE CONVERSATION REGARDING WAYS TO LARGELY REDUCE
09:36:50AM OR ELIMINATE THE AVERAGE 50 MILLION GALLONS OF TREATED
09:36:55AM RECLAIMED WATER BEING DISCHARGED DAILY.
09:36:57AM WE SUPPORT THE CONVERSATION.
09:36:59AM AND WE APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
09:37:02AM ELIMINATING OR SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING THESE NUTRIENTS ARE
09:37:07AM GOOD FOR TAMPA BAY.
09:37:08AM BECOMING A MORE RESILIENT AND SUSTAINABLE REGION PROTECTS
09:37:11AM NOT ONLY OUR WATERSHED BUT OUR COMMUNITY, ENSURING FISHABLE,
09:37:17AM SWIMMABLE, AND DRINKABLE WATER FOR ALL.
09:37:19AM WE APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
09:37:21AM WE SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
09:37:22AM SO THANK YOU.
09:37:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT A SNOOK OR TARPON ON YOUR HAT.
09:37:27AM >> A TARPON.
09:37:28AM COOL HAT, RIGHT.
09:37:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:37:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK HIM FOR COMING UP.
09:37:33AM I NEVER MET HIM.
09:37:35AM 370 TONS OF THOSE NUTRIENTS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
09:37:40AM THANK YOU.
09:37:41AM >> GOOD MORNING, NANCY STEVENS, CONSERVATION CHAIR FOR THE
09:37:47AM TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB AND MEMBER OF THE PURE STAKEHOLDER
09:37:51AM GROUP.
09:37:51AM TALKING ITEM 7.
09:37:53AM THANK YOU, WE AGREE.
09:37:55AM WE WANT CLEAN WATER GOING INTO THE BAY.
09:37:57AM DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
09:37:59AM WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY THE STATE MANDATES THAT
09:38:03AM MANDATES TO TAKE ALL OF OUR WASTEWATER AND DO SOMETHING ELSE
09:38:07AM WITH IT INSTEAD OF PUT IT IN THE BAY.
09:38:09AM YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT TAMPA IS A ESTUARY.
09:38:13AM ONE OF THE OUTSTANDING ESTUARIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
09:38:15AM A ESTUARY IS A SEMI ENCLOSED BODY OF WATER WHERE FRESH WATER
09:38:20AM FROM THE RIVER MIXES AND MEETS WITH THE SALT WATER FROM THE
09:38:22AM OCEAN.
09:38:22AM ESTUARIES ARE TRANSITION ZONE FROM LAND TO SEA AND SUPPORT A
09:38:27AM SPECTACULAR ABUNDANCE AND DIVERSITY OF WILDLIFE.
09:38:30AM CONSIDERED ONE OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE ENVIRONMENTS IN THE
09:38:33AM WORLD AND OFTEN REFERRED AS A NURSERY ROUND FOR FISH,
09:38:38AM CRUSTACEANS AND SHELL FISH AND TO HIDE FROM PREDATORS.
09:38:43AM BAY WASTEWATER PROVIDES A FLOW TO THE ESTUARY REPLACING SOME
09:38:47AM OF THE FRESH WATER THAT TAMPA AND TAMPA BAY WATER WITHDRAW
09:38:51AM FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND BYPASS CANAL FOR DRINKING
09:38:56AM WATER.
09:38:56AM THE BILL 64 THAT REQUIRES THE ELIMINATION OF SURFACE WATER
09:39:01AM HAS A BIG GAP WITH UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
09:39:04AM DOES NOT COVER THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT TO ESTUARIES EVEN
09:39:09AM THOUGH THEY RELY ON FRESHWATER FLOW.
09:39:10AM LUMPING ESTUARIES AS PART OF MARINE WATERS.
09:39:13AM ESTUARIES ARE QUITE DIFFERENT FROM OCEANS AND HAVE DIFFERENT
09:39:17AM NEEDS.
09:39:18AM THEREFORE, WE A PROPOSED LEGISLATION TO ADD LANGUAGE TO
09:39:22AM ALLOW USING RECLAIMED WATER TO PROVIDE FRESH WATER FLOWS TO
09:39:26AM ESTUARIES.
09:39:26AM WE ARE ASKING THIS TO BE ONE OF YOUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
09:39:29AM IF TAMPA WERE FORCED TO REDUCE ALL 50 MILLION GALLONS OF DAY
09:39:35AM OF WASTEWATER A HUGE COST TO TAMPA TAXPAYERS AND BILLIONS OF
09:39:40AM DOLLARS AND IMPACT THE ESTUARY DEPRIVING OF THE CONSTANT
09:39:45AM FRESH WATER FLOW THAT WE HAVE COME TO A RELY ON.
09:39:48AM BUT ALLOWING THE CONTINUATION OF THE CURRENT DISCHARGE AS
09:39:52AM PART OF THE SOLUTION INTO THE ESTUARY IS A BENEFICIAL USE
09:39:55AM WILL GIVE TAMPA FLEXIBILITY TO PURSUE USING THE RECLAIMED
09:39:58AM WATER FOR NEEDED PURPOSES THAT ARE IN THE BEST PUBLIC
09:40:01AM INTEREST.
09:40:01AM AND TREATING THE WATER TO THE APPROPRIATE LEVELS TO MAKE IT
09:40:06AM SAFE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
09:40:07AM AND THIS WILL RESULT IN A LOWER COST OVERALL SINCE THE
09:40:09AM RECLAIMED WATER WILL BE TREATED ONLY IF NEEDED.
09:40:13AM AND CONTROLLING NITROGEN IN THE BAY IS KEY TO THAT.
09:40:18AM AS WELL.
09:40:19AM WE ASK THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TO LISTEN TO CITIZENS'
09:40:24AM CONCERNS AND MAKE IT ONE OF YOUR TOP LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
09:40:27AM PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THE STATE TO FORCE TAMPA RESIDENTS TO
09:40:31AM SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO TREAT AND REROUTE LARGE
09:40:33AM QUANTITIES OF WASTEWATER REUSE THAT WE DON'T NEED AND CAN
09:40:36AM POTENTIALLY BE HARMFUL TO THE WATER RESOURCES, HUMAN HEALTH
09:40:41AM AND THE ENVIRONMENT OF OUR REGION.
09:40:42AM THANK YOU.
09:40:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:40:44AM >> WELL, GOOD MORNING.
09:40:52AM MY NAME IS SID FLANNERY.
09:40:54AM A LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF THE TAMPA AREA AND A RETIRED CHIEF
09:40:57AM ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST WITH THE SOUTHWEST WATER MANAGEMENT
09:41:00AM DISTRICT WHERE I WORKED FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS STUDYING AND
09:41:04AM MANAGING FRESH WATER FLOW TO ESTUARIES, INCLUDING THE
09:41:07AM ESTABLISHMENT OF MINIMUM FLOW RULES TO RIVERS THAT FLOW TO
09:41:10AM TAMPA BAY.
09:41:11AM IN RESPONSE TO THE REQUIREMENT OF SENATE BILL 64 PASSED BY
09:41:14AM THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE IN 2021, CITY STAFF RECENTLY
09:41:19AM SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
09:41:21AM ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION TO DETERMINE IF DISCHARGES FROM THE
09:41:24AM CITY'S HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PROVIDED
09:41:30AM ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS TO TAMPA BAY.
09:41:32AM WITH THAT REQUEST, STAFF SUBMITTED A 20-PAGE TECHNICAL
09:41:38AM REPORT AND PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO CITY STAFF FOR THEIR
09:41:40AM REVIEW.
09:41:41AM THE DEP DENIED THEIR REQUEST TO RECOGNIZE THE ECONOMIC
09:41:45AM DISCHARGE FROM THE AWT PLANT TO TAMPA BAY.
09:41:49AM IN A SHORT E-MAIL RESPONSE, DEP REPLIED AND I QUOTE, THE
09:41:53AM ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT PROVISION IN SENATE BILL 64 ADDRESSES
09:41:58AM WATER QUANTITY OF MINIMUM FLOW AND HE MINIMUM LEVEL MFL
09:42:05AM REQUIREMENTS.
09:42:05AM MARINE DOES NOT HAVE A MFL CLASSIFICATION, THE DISCHARGE
09:42:11AM FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN WATER TREATMENT FACILITY DOES NOT
09:42:15AM QUALIFY FOR THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT PROVISION IN SENATE BILL
09:42:19AM 64.
09:42:21AM THIS FINDING BY DEP REFLECTS THE SHORTCOMING IN THE LANGUAGE
09:42:26AM IN SENATE BILL 64 EVEN THOUGH A MINIMUM FLOW RULE HAS NOT
09:42:30AM BEEN ESTABLISHED SPECIFICALLY FOR TAMPA BAY, FRESH WATER
09:42:33AM FLOW IS CRITICAL OF MAINTAINING THE WATER QUALITY, ECOLOGY
09:42:36AM AND BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTIVITY OF THE BAY.
09:42:39AM THE FACT THAT THE CITY'S DISCHARGE IS LOCATED ON SEVEN
09:42:43AM CHANNEL THAT DEP CATEGORIZED AS MARINE WATER DOES NOT NEGATE
09:42:47AM THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS DISCHARGE TO TAMPA BAY.
09:42:49AM IN MY OPINION, DEP'S CONCLUSION WAS NOT SUFFICIENTLY SCIENCE
09:42:53AM OR RESOURCE-BASED BUT INSTEAD WAS BASED ON A TECHNICAL,
09:42:57AM BUREAUCRATIC AMBIGUITY THAT RESULTED FROM A LACK OF CLARITY
09:43:01AM IN SENATE BILL 64.
09:43:03AM AFTER CAREFUL REVIEW, I, AND MEMBERS OF SEVERAL
09:43:07AM ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ON THE CITY'S PURE STAKEHOLDERS
09:43:11AM GROUP, BELIEVE THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE NEED TO BE PASSED BY
09:43:14AM THE OF FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND ADOPTED IN FLORIDA STATUTES
09:43:17AM TO REMEDY THE INACCURACY OF SENATE BILL 64.
09:43:20AM ACCORDINGLY, WE HAVE PREPARED A DRAFT DOCUMENT AND
09:43:23AM RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THE STATUTE TO
09:43:26AM ALLOW FOR MORE COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT OF THE BENEFICIAL
09:43:30AM EFFECTS OF SURFACE DISCHARGES TO WATER BODIES INCLUDING
09:43:34AM ESTUARYS SUCH AS TAMPA BAY.
09:43:35AM WE WILL BE HAPPY TO SHARE OUR DOCUMENT WITH YOU AND DISCUSS
09:43:38AM THE STRAIGHTFORWARD LANGUAGE WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT CAN
09:43:41AM REMEDY THIS PROBLEM.
09:43:42AM WE HOPE THAT AFTER CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, THE CITY CAN
09:43:45AM SUPPORT OUR RECOMMENDED ADDITION TO THIS STATUTE IN YOUR
09:43:48AM LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR 2023.
09:43:50AM I HAVE TO WRAP UP MY COMMENTS NOW.
09:43:53AM BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO REMAIN IN THE CHAMBER WHEN THIS TOPIC
09:43:57AM COMES UP ON YOUR AGENDA LATER TODAY.
09:43:58AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR RECOMMENDED ADDITIONS TO
09:44:01AM THE STATUTE.
09:44:01AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
09:44:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:44:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:44:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:44:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS DUNCAN, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS GENTLEMAN'S
09:44:12AM RECOMMENDATION SINCE HE IS AN EXPERT IN REFERENCE TO THE
09:44:15AM LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE BEING LOOKED AT?
09:44:18AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I HAVE NOT SEEN THE REFERENCE INFORMATION
09:44:21AM THAT MR. FLANNERY IS TALKING ABOUT.
09:44:23AM I AM SURE HE WILL BE PROVIDING IT TO US.
09:44:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAKE SURE WE GET THAT.
09:44:28AM THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS COMING UP, THE LOCAL BODY HERE
09:44:31AM AND AS YOU REVIEW THAT PROBABLY BEFORE THE WORKSHOP, MAYBE
09:44:34AM GET THAT TO OUR LEGISLATIVE PEOPLE HERE TO GIVE IT TO THE
09:44:37AM DELEGATION.
09:44:38AM MAYBE THE RULE IS THERE BUT MAYBE JUST LIKE HERE, WE PASS
09:44:43AM THINGS AND HAVE TO COME BACK TO LOOK AT THINGS THAT ARE NOT
09:44:46AM TEA TOLLY -- TOTALLY CLEAR.
09:44:52AM I HOPE THAT WE GET THAT INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD.
09:44:55AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: OKAY.
09:44:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:44:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR
09:45:00AM ALL THE HARD WORK YOU PUT INTO THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT.
09:45:03AM AND THANK YOU TO CHUCK WAGNER AND STAFF FOR SUBMITTING YOUR
09:45:08AM LETTER.
09:45:08AM WHEN I MENTIONED THE WORD "SUSPICIOUS," I DIDN'T MEAN TO
09:45:13AM INFER THAT SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING AT THE WATER DEPARTMENT
09:45:16AM ARE, BUT WE KNOW IN THE PAST THE CITY LOBBYING DEPARTMENT
09:45:20AM WERE IN FAVOR OF IT AND TOLD ME OUTRIGHT THEY WERE IN FAVOR
09:45:23AM NOT AGAINST IT.
09:45:24AM THEY WERE RELUCTANT TO LET THE WATER DEPARTMENT SEND OUT
09:45:28AM YOUR MEMO.
09:45:28AM SO I THINK WE SO FAR HAVE MULTIPLE VOTES OF CITY COUNCIL
09:45:32AM AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
09:45:33AM AND BY NOW, IF THE CITY WAS OPERATING AS ONE ENTITY, THE
09:45:37AM LOBBYING TEAM AND LEGAL TEAM WILL BE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS
09:45:41AM TO TRY TO STOP THIS.
09:45:43AM AND THEY HAVEN'T.
09:45:43AM UNFORTUNATELY NEITHER ONE REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL.
09:45:47AM WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO STOP IT.
09:45:49AM THE SUSPICIOUS PART I TALKED ABOUT WAY YOU JUST REFERENCED
09:45:54AM IS A STATE LAW, BUT SOMEHOW THE TWO OR THREE SENTENCE EXCUSE
09:45:57AM WAS THAT IT DOESN'T HIT MFL.
09:46:00AM WHAT ABOUT CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT DON'T HAVE RIVERS?
09:46:05AM THAT IS LANGUAGE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PUT IN THERE BY
09:46:08AM TAMPA LOBBYISTS YEARS AGO.
09:46:09AM I KNOW THAT TAMPA LOBBYISTS WERE THERE BECAUSE LOBBYISTS IN
09:46:14AM TALLAHASSEE THAT TALK TO LEGISLATORS AFTER THEY TALKED TO
09:46:18AM THEM.
09:46:18AM I CAN GET MY LOBBYIST AND SEE IF ANYONE HAS REACHED OUT TO
09:46:22AM THEM IN THE LAST MONTH.
09:46:24AM THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT THIS.
09:46:26AM A HUGE BURDEN FOR TAXPAYERS.
09:46:29AM PEOPLE ARE PAYING TOO MUCH AND THEY BE DON'T WANT THEIR
09:46:33AM WATER BILL DOUBLED AND TRIPLED.
09:46:35AM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO STOP THIS.
09:46:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL GIVE YOU REBUTTAL.
09:46:41AM >> NOT A REBUTTAL BUT A POINT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME IN MY THREE
09:46:45AM MINUTES.
09:46:46AM RECOGNIZE THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS TO THE DISCHARGE OF TAMPA
09:46:49AM BAY, THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE PURSUANT OF RECLAIMED WATER
09:46:53AM PROJECTS.
09:46:53AM RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS CAN BE REVIEWED FOR THE QUANTITY
09:46:57AM THAT YOU NEED.
09:46:57AM YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE QUANTITY IS, BUT IT MEANS WHERE THE
09:47:01AM DISCHARGE IS OCCURRING NOW IS ACTUALLY OKAY, OKAY.
09:47:04AM AND WE CAN STILL PURSUE RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS
09:47:07AM INDIVIDUALLY ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
09:47:11AM SIMILARLY IF THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAMS AS WE NEED TO DO
09:47:15AM MORE NUTRIENT PRODUCTION, THAT CAN BE PURSUED.
09:47:18AM AMENDING THE STATUTE, WHAT WE SUGGEST, WHAT IT DOES DO, GET
09:47:22AM THE CITY OUT WITH THE HAMMER WITH EVERYTHING FROM 50 MGD IN
09:47:27AM TEN YEARS.
09:47:27AM ALLOW OPERATIONAL ABILITIES TO REVIEW RECLAIMED WATER
09:47:31AM PROJECTS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
09:47:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:47:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL ASK IF YOU SEND THAT INFORMATION TO
09:47:40AM ALL OF US, THAT WILL BE WONDERFUL.
09:47:42AM >> IT WILL BE TODAY PROBABLY BY LUNCHTIME.
09:47:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE QUESTION.
09:47:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:47:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CAMPBELL TALKED OF THE AMOUNT OF
09:47:49AM NUTRIENTS GOING INTO THE BAY.
09:47:51AM WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF CONTINUAGE.
09:47:54AM AS AN EXPERT TELL ME -- I WANT CLARITY, HOW MANY TONS OF
09:47:59AM NUTRIENTS GO INTO THE BAY EVERY YEAR?
09:48:01AM >> I DO NOT KNOW THAT PRECISELY.
09:48:03AM I HAVE READ THE DOCUMENTS AND REPORT I GOT HAVE GRAPHICS OF
09:48:08AM NUTRIENTS -- NITROGEN LOADING INTO THE BAY.
09:48:11AM ONE THING WE SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT, TAMPA BAY IN LONG TERM
09:48:15AM HAS BEEN IMPROVING IN LONG PART WITH THE WATER TREATMENT AT
09:48:20AM HOWARD F. CURREN PLANT.
09:48:22AM WILL NOT PRECLUDE NUTRIENTS STUDIES.
09:48:27AM IT CAN IMPROPER, IF NECESSARY.
09:48:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT WAS BETTER NOW THAN IT WAS IN THE
09:48:33AM '50s.
09:48:33AM >> VERY MUCH SO.
09:48:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: APPRECIATE YOUR SINCERENESS.
09:48:37AM >> THANK YOU.
09:48:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:48:46AM I AM PHIL COMPTON WITH FRIENDS OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER,
09:48:49AM BUT TODAY I AM SHARING WITH YOU SOME COMMENTS FROM SIERRA
09:48:53AM CLUB'S VICE-CHAIR GABBY GIBBONS WHO IS THE CHAIR OF OUR
09:48:57AM POLITICAL COMMITTEE WHO IS UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY'S CITY
09:49:01AM COUNCIL MEETING DUE TO SCHEDULING CONFLICT.
09:49:04AM GARY WANTS ME TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE PRACTICED LAW FOR 45
09:49:06AM YEARS.
09:49:07AM AND EACH YEAR, ATTORNEYS NEED TO REVIEW THE SESSION LAWS TO
09:49:10AM SEE WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TOO EXISTING LAW.
09:49:12AM MANY TIMES A TWEAK OF THE LANGUAGE IN AN EXISTING LAW THAT
09:49:16AM HAS A DEFECT FOR OMISSION OR NEEDS CLARIFICATION BECAUSE OF
09:49:20AM AN AM GIG GUTIERREZ IS CAUSING LITIGATION.
09:49:23AM SENATE BILL 64 IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF STATUTE
09:49:26AM THAT NEEDS FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
09:49:29AM SENATE BILL 64 WAS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL AMBITIOUS WAY TO DEAL
09:49:35AM WITH A COMPLEX ISSUE TO SAFELY REPURPOSE WASTEWATER FOR
09:49:38AM BENEFICIAL USES ACROSS THE STATE TOO LARGE AND TOO DIVERSE
09:49:42AM IN TOPOGRAPHY TO ALLOW A ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH.
09:49:46AM IN ONE OF OUR MANY STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF OVER
09:49:50AM THE PAST TWO YEARS, FORMER ATTORNEY JAN MCLEAN DESCRIBE
09:49:57AM SENATE BILL 64 AS A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.
09:49:59AM I AGREE WITH HER INTERPRETATION, IT IS NOW LAW AND THE TIME
09:50:03AM TO ASK THAT OMISSIONS BE STICKSED BY LEGISLATION THAT WILL
09:50:07AM REVISE IT.
09:50:08AM SID FLANNERY WHO DEVOTED HIS LIFE'S WORK AS A SCIENTIST ON
09:50:14AM S.W.F.W.M.D. AND MINIMUM FLOWS ON THE RIVERS AND EFFECTS ON
09:50:18AM ESTUARY WATERS LIKE TAMPA BAY HAVE SEEN SHORTCOMINGS IN
09:50:22AM SENATE BILL 64 THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISED.
09:50:26AM AND HURRIED PASSED IN 2021 AND DEALING WITH APPROACHING
09:50:30AM DEADLINES, IT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER TO FIX THE
09:50:36AM OMISSIONS.
09:50:36AM AND HE NOT ONLY FIXED BUT HAVE IT TO FIX A GLARING
09:50:42AM OMISSION AND PROVIDED MUCH-NEEDED FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CITY
09:50:46AM OF TAMPA TO DEAL WITH THE SITE-SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT ARE
09:50:49AM COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THOSE BEING DEALT WITH IN MIAMI OR
09:50:52AM THE PANHANDLE.
09:50:54AM AND STAKEHOLDERS SEEKING REVISIONS OF CITY STAFF ON MANY
09:50:59AM LOCATIONS.
09:50:59AM TODAY, WE, THE STAKEHOLDERS, ASK CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A
09:51:04AM FORMAL REQUEST TO THE MAYOR TO HAVE THE REVISIONS OF SENATE
09:51:07AM BILL 64 TO BE THE TOP PRIORITY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA'S
09:51:11AM LOBBYISTS TO SEEK THE LANGUAGE PROPOSED BY MR. FLANNERY AND
09:51:16AM THE STAKEHOLDERS WE SEE AS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE IN THE
09:51:18AM CITY OF TAMPA.
09:51:19AM LET'S TAKE A PROACTIVE STEP TO FIX THE STATUTE SO THE CITY
09:51:23AM WILL HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IT NEEDS TO EXPLORE ALL
09:51:26AM ALTERNATIVES FOR THE SAFE REUSE OF ITS TREATED WASTEWATER.
09:51:30AM THANK YOU.
09:51:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. COMPTON OPINION.
09:51:33AM >> YES, SIR.
09:51:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:51:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU PLEASE ASK MR. GIBBONS SEND HIS
09:51:40AM LEGISLATIVE SOLUTION TO ALL OF US?
09:51:42AM >> I BELIEVE WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO IS THE LANGUAGE THAT
09:51:44AM MR. FLANNERY HAS DRAFTED WHICH WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING ALONG
09:51:48AM WITH HIS REPORT, WHICH IDENTIFIES THE SITUATION.
09:51:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: PERFECT.
09:51:52AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:51:53AM MAY I ADD PLEASE, YEARS AGO I WORKED WITH JAN MCLEAN FOR
09:51:58AM FERTILIZER ORDINANCE HERE WHICH HAS BEEN EXTREMELY
09:52:01AM SUCCESSFUL.
09:52:02AM AND THAT WAS PART OF THE SIERRA CLUB'S STATEWIDE EFFORT TO
09:52:07AM GET FERTILIZER ORDINANCES PASS IN OVER 100 CITIES AND
09:52:11AM COUNTIES BUT NEVER SAID THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA SHOULD
09:52:13AM HAVE ONE FERTILIZER TYPE OF RULE BECAUSE THE STATE IS TOO
09:52:17AM BIG AND DIVERSE AND IN SOME PLACE IT IS WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE.
09:52:19AM SAME THING IS TRUE HERE.
09:52:21AM THANK YOU.
09:52:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, THE MAY TO
09:52:24AM NOVEMBER ORDINANCE.
09:52:25AM >> SORRY?
09:52:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ORDINANCE CALLED THE MAY TO NOVEMBER.
09:52:29AM >> YEAH, IT IS JUNE THROUGH --
09:52:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WAS THE FIRST TO PASS.
09:52:40AM >> AND PINELLAS HAS THE SAME RULE.
09:52:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MR. COMPTON, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
09:52:45AM >> IT WAS YESTERDAY, THANK YOU.
09:52:47AM YOU CAN NOW PUT UP CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS BECAUSE IT IS AFTER
09:52:50AM MY BIRTHDAY.
09:52:50AM THANK YOU.
09:52:50AM [LAUGHTER]
09:52:54AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:52:54AM MY NAME IS CAROL CAMISA, AND I'M HERE AS A MEMBER OF THE
09:52:59AM STAKEHOLDERS GROUP AND REPRESENTING THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN
09:53:02AM VOTERS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:53:03AM MY INTEREST IS IN ENGAGING THE PUBLIC IN ISSUES, POLICY, AND
09:53:09AM SO ON, THAT IMPACT PEOPLE'S LIVES.
09:53:13AM TO DO THAT WE EDUCATE PEOPLE.
09:53:15AM WE ARE ALSO INTERESTED -- AND I AM VERY PLEASED THAT THIS
09:53:18AM BODY REFLECTS AN INTEREST IN TRANSPARENCY, ACCURACY OF
09:53:24AM INFORMATION GOING TO THE PUBLIC AND SO ON.
09:53:27AM AND I AM SORRY, I -- I -- KIND OF WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE,
09:53:33AM BAD CHOICE OF WORDS BUT I FEEL IT IS NECESSARY TO CORRECT.
09:53:36AM THE STAKEHOLDERS GROUP HAVE DONE AN AWFUL LOT IN TERMS OF
09:53:40AM PUBLIC EDUCATION AND WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO A LOT OF
09:53:43AM DIFFERENT GROUPS.
09:53:44AM I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER CITY
09:53:48AM COUNCIL MEETING, WE DID MORE IN A MONTH'S TIME WITH NO MONEY
09:53:52AM REACHING OUT TO COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO DATE
09:53:55AM WITH REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT.
09:53:58AM AND I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANY ACCOUNTABILITY IN TERMS OF THE
09:54:02AM FUNDING THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT FOR TWO
09:54:08AM SPECIFIC TASKS UNDER PURE.
09:54:10AM ONE OF WHICH WAS PUBLIC EDUCATION.
09:54:12AM SO I JUST FEEL LIKE IT IS IMPORTANT TO CORRECT THAT RECORD.
09:54:15AM IN ANY CASE, YOU, NO DOUBT, REMEMBER PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS
09:54:22AM WHEN TAMPA CITIZENS SPOKE UP ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE
09:54:27AM COST, ABOUT THE SAFETY OF WATER, POTABLE WATER SUPPLY IN
09:54:33AM TAMPA AND MY CONCERN NOW IS THAT THIS -- THIS SENATE BILL 64
09:54:39AM SEEMS TO JEOPARDIZE THESE OBJECTIVES.
09:54:42AM SO WE ARE PURSUING SOME ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE TO FIX THAT, AS
09:54:48AM YOU HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
09:54:50AM SO -- THE CURRENT LAW UNDER SENATE BILL 64 DOESN'T REALLY
09:54:56AM ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES RELATED TO TREATED WASTEWATER
09:55:00AM DISCHARGES INTO THE BAY.
09:55:01AM AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS WELL UNDERSTOOD BY CITY
09:55:08AM RESIDENTS.
09:55:09AM THEY ARE CONCERNED OF HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO PAY WHEN
09:55:11AM THEY OPEN THE TAP THAT IT IS SAFE.
09:55:13AM YOU WOULD AGREE THAT IT IS REALLY YOUR JOB TO UNDERSTAND
09:55:18AM THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND REPRESENT TAMPA'S BEST INTEREST.
09:55:21AM SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS THAT THIS IS A
09:55:25AM RATHER BLUNT INSTRUMENT, A ONE SIZE FITS ALL KIND OF
09:55:29AM APPROACH THAT REALLY DOESN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF TAMPA WE NEED
09:55:34AM MORE FLEXIBILITY.
09:55:35AM WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ADAPT TO SPECIFIC LOCAL CONDITIONS AND
09:55:41AM -- THAT ARE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATE.
09:55:44AM AND I FURTHER SORT OF OBJECT THAT THIS IS KIND OF AN
09:55:49AM UNFUNDED MANDATE OUT OF TALLAHASSEE THAT TELLS YOU TO FIX
09:55:53AM SOMETHING AND THERE IS NO FUNDING INVOLVED.
09:55:54AM SO THE LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL FOR WHICH WE ARE SEEKING YOUR
09:55:58AM SUPPORT WOULD ALLOW TAMPA THE FLEXIBILITY TO MEET THE INTENT
09:56:01AM OF SB 64 WHILE ALLOWING FOR NECESSARY FLEXIBILITY AND
09:56:06AM ADAPTABILITY.
09:56:07AM THANK YOU.
09:56:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:56:09AM >> HI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT, AND I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT TO
09:56:20AM TAMPA THE ADDITION TO FLORIDA STATUTES THAT WE ARE RECOMMEND
09:56:22AM ALSO ALLOW THE RECOGNITION OF THE BENEFITS OF THE DISCHARGES
09:56:25AM TO TAMPA BAY AND WILL NOT PRECLUDE THE EVALUATION OF OTHER
09:56:28AM RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS.
09:56:29AM INSTEAD, IT WILL GIVE THE CITY MUCH GREATER FLEXIBILITY TO
09:56:33AM EVALUATE THESE PROJECTS IN QUANTITIES THAT ARE NEEDED, THAT
09:56:36AM ARE COST EFFECTIVE, THAT PROTECT THE WATER RESOURCES IN THE
09:56:40AM NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
09:56:41AM AND THEY ARE IN THE BEST PUBLIC INTEREST.
09:56:43AM THIS IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN REQUIRING THE CITY TO ELIMINATE
09:56:47AM AND REROUTE 50 MILLION GALLONS OF DISCHARGE A DAY IN THE
09:56:50AM NEXT TEN YEARS, WHICH THE CURRENT STATUTE DOES.
09:56:53AM OUR ADDITIONS TO THE STATUTE WILL REMEDY THIS DILEMMA.
09:56:58AM WE ARE ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST TO THE
09:57:01AM MAYOR TO MAKE THIS THE TOP PRIORITY FOR THE CITY'S LOBBYISTS
09:57:06AM AND SEEK LANGUAGE BY MR. FLANNERY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT
09:57:10AM WE SEE AS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERY CITIZEN IN OF TAMPA.
09:57:14AM TAKE A PROACTIVE STEP TO FIX THIS SO THE CITY HAS THE
09:57:18AM ABILITY TO EXPLORE ALL ALTERNATIVES FOR THE SAFE REUSE OF
09:57:22AM ITS TREATED WASTEWATER.
09:57:23AM I, LIKE CARROLL, TAKE THE STAKEHOLDERS AS BEING JUST A FEW
09:57:29AM PEOPLE.
09:57:30AM WE ALL REPRESENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT AMOUNT TO TENS OF
09:57:33AM THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
09:57:34AM WE HAVE ALL GONE THROUGH THE PROCESSES THAT THESE
09:57:38AM ORGANIZATIONS REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THEM IN FRONT
09:57:41AM OF YOU.
09:57:41AM I AM THE T.H.A.N. REPRESENTATIVE IN THE CITY'S PURE
09:57:45AM STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
09:57:46AM T.H.A.N.'S MEMBERS AND ALL TAMPA RESIDENTS ARE VERY, VERY
09:57:50AM CONCERNED OF THE SAFETY OF THEIR WATER AND HOW MUCH IT
09:57:52AM COSTS.
09:57:52AM THERE WAS A RECENT UNANIMOUS T.H.A.N. VOTE TO THAT EFFECT.
09:57:55AM YOU ALL ALSO RECEIVED MANY E-MAILS EXPRESSING THE UNANIMOUS
09:58:00AM CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS.
09:58:01AM HOW MANY E-MAILS DID YOU RECEIVE SUPPORTING PURE?
09:58:06AM THE CITIZENS AND MEMBERS OF T.H.A.N. HAVE NOT BEEN MADE
09:58:09AM AWARE OF THIS THING THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING TODAY.
09:58:13AM THEY HAVE NOT BEEN MADE ABOUT IT YET, BUT WHEN THEY DO, THEY
09:58:16AM WILL BE WRITING TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR ASKING YOU TO
09:58:20AM MAKE THIS A TOP LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY.
09:58:22AM WE WILL ALL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT
09:58:25AM THE CITIZENS' VOICES ARE HEARD.
09:58:27AM ON A PERSONAL NOTE THAT CHARLEY MENTIONED ABOUT THE BAY.
09:58:30AM WHEN I WAS A KID, OUR CAR DIDN'T HAVE AIR CONDITIONING.
09:58:33AM AND NO MATTER HOW HOT IT WAS, WHEN WE HAD TO DRIVE DOWN
09:58:37AM BAYSHORE WE DROVE WITH THE WINDOW ROLLED UP BECAUSE THE
09:58:40AM STENCH WAS ABSOLUTELY NAUSEATING.
09:58:42AM AND I KNOW CHARLIE PROBABLY REMEMBERS THAT TOO.
09:58:45AM I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE BEAUTIFUL HOUSES -- SOME AT THAT
09:58:48AM TIME WERE ACTUALLY ABANDONED.
09:58:50AM THE BEAUTIFUL HOUSES ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND WONDERING HOW
09:58:55AM DO THEY LIVE WITH THIS?
09:58:56AM HOW CAN THEY DO THIS?
09:58:57AM MAYBE THAT IS WHY SO MANY HOUSES WERE ABANDONED.
09:59:00AM WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY AND MADE ADVANCES IN OUR ECOLOGICAL
09:59:05AM BENEFITS TO THE BAY.
09:59:06AM THANK YOU.
09:59:07AM >> HELLO, EVERYBODY, JAME CLAPHOLT.
09:59:17AM I AM A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR OVER TEN YEARS AND
09:59:20AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, WHICH IS THE
09:59:24AM PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO PROVIDE AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THE
09:59:29AM CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:59:30AM I THINK I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU FOR MOVING THAT FORWARD BECAUSE
09:59:35AM I THINK AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD
09:59:38AM IS CRUCIAL TO MAINTAIN ITS INDEPENDENCE AND PREVENT
09:59:41AM CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
09:59:42AM I WOULD LIKE TO READING IS APPLICABLE FROM THE WEB SITE OF
09:59:46AM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW
09:59:49AM ENFORCEMENT WITH RESPECTS TO THE IMPORTANCE OF INDEPENDENCE.
09:59:52AM IT SAYS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND DEFINING CONCEPTS OF
09:59:55AM CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS INDEPENDENCE.
09:59:58AM IN ITS BROADEST SENSE, REFERS TO THE ABSENCE OF REAL OR
10:00:02AM PERCEIVED INFLUENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, POLITICAL ACTORS AND
10:00:05AM OTHER SPECIAL INTERESTS LOOKING TO AFFECT THE CIVILIAN
10:00:10AM OVERSIGHT AGENCY.
10:00:11AM IN ORDER TO HAVE LEGITIMACY, THE RESPECT AND
10:00:16AM INDEPENDENCE OF THE OVERSEEING LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
10:00:21AM ESPECIALLY WITH THE HIGH-PROFILE INCIDENTS.
10:00:23AM WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE
10:00:26AM PRESENTED TO YOU BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR THIS
10:00:29AM PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGE OR PROPOSED CHARTER CHANGE RATHER.
10:00:32AM CURRENT LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
10:00:36AM WOULD PROVIDE THAT THE CITY HAS THE SOLE POWER TO SELECT,
10:00:40AM HIRE AND FIRE, ESSENTIALLY, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITIZENS
10:00:43AM REVIEW BOARD, WHICH WOULD REALLY NOT CORRECT THE PROBLEM
10:00:47AM ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITH IT
10:00:50AM BEING STAFFED BY AN ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.
10:00:54AM AND I SENT AN E-MAIL WITH THE REQUEST TO MAKE TWO
10:00:57AM MODIFICATIONS OF THAT LANGUAGE.
10:00:58AM THE FIRST MODIFICATION TO PROVIDE THAT THE CITIZENS REVIEW
10:01:01AM BOARD IS THE BODY THAT HAS SOLE SHORT TO HIRE AND FIRE ITS
10:01:05AM OWN ATTORNEY.
10:01:06AM AND THE SECOND MODIFICATION TO DELETE LANGUAGE FROM THE END
10:01:09AM OF THAT PROPOSED SENTENCE THAT IS UNNECESSARY AND
10:01:12AM POTENTIALLY CONFUSING AS DETAILED IN THE E-MAIL.
10:01:16AM THE LANGUAGE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WAS FOR THE TAMPA POLICE
10:01:21AM DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE, WHICH IS REALLY AN UNNECESSARY PART
10:01:23AM OF THAT SENTENCE.
10:01:24AM I HOPE THAT YOU ALL MAKE THOSE TWO MOTIONS TO MAKE THOSE
10:01:27AM MODIFICATIONS AND MOVE THE LANGUAGE FORWARD AS I DETAILED IN
10:01:31AM THAT E-MAIL.
10:01:32AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:01:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:01:35AM >> HELLO.
10:01:44AM MY NAME IS PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
10:01:47AM LOCATED AT 1112 EACH SCOTT STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY
10:01:52AM BAPTIST CHURCH.
10:01:54AM I HAVE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE WEEK AFTER WEEK, MONTH AFTER
10:01:57AM MONTH.
10:01:57AM DON'T SEEM TO GET NOTHING DONE.
10:01:59AM BUT I THANK GOD WE ARE HERE TO SEE ANOTHER DAY.
10:02:06AM WHAT IS YOUR NAME.
10:02:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GUIDO MANISCALCO.
10:02:12AM WHEN THE CHAIRMAN STEPS OUT AS THE VICE-CHAIR, I TAKE OVER
10:02:15AM THE MEETING.
10:02:16AM >> OKAY.
10:02:18AM BECAUSE -- I AM GOING TO READ SOME SCRIPTURE.
10:02:21AM I SAID TO YOU, HE WHO BELIEVETH IN ME, JESUS TALKING.
10:02:28AM WHO DON'T BELIEVETH ON ME AND THE WORK THAT HE DO SHALL --
10:02:34AM SHALL HE DO ALSO.
10:02:35AM WORK THAT I SHALL DO ALSO.
10:02:38AM AND GATHER -- AND GREATER WORK THAN THEE.
10:02:43AM BECAUSE I AM MY FATHER AND WHO SOEVER ASKS IN MY NAME, THAT
10:02:52AM I WILL GIVE UNTO THEE.
10:02:53AM MY FATHER IS GLORIFIED IN THE SON.
10:02:57AM THANK YOU, JESUS, THAT HE IS.
10:02:59AM YOU KNOW, WE GOT MANY PROBLEMS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES OF
10:03:04AM AMERICA.
10:03:06AM AND IT DON'T SEEM TO BE GETTING NO BETTER.
10:03:09AM IT IS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSER.
10:03:13AM GOT A RETENTION -- THEY CALL IT A RETENTION POND OUT THERE
10:03:19AM IN BELMONT HEIGHTS.
10:03:20AM AND PRIME PROPERTY OUT THERE WHICH THEY TOOK FROM BLACK
10:03:25AM FOLKS AND DECIDED TO PUT RETENTION PONDS.
10:03:27AM I WANTED TO KNOW SOMETHING.
10:03:28AM WHY DON'T Y'ALL FILL IN THOSE RETENTION PONDS AND LET ME
10:03:33AM BUILD A NICE CONVENTION CENTER OUT THERE.
10:03:35AM YOU CAN DO IT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ANY POWER AT ALL, YOU CAN
10:03:40AM DO ANYTHING ELSE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR ME IN THE
10:03:44AM NAME OF JESUS.
10:03:44AM I HAVE A LITTLE QUOTE TOMORROW.
10:03:47AM AND I WILL BRING ALL THAT STUFF UP.
10:03:49AM AND I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF YOU SHOW UP TOMORROW AT 9:00,
10:03:54AM WHAT THEY CALL -- JUDGE EDGECOMB COURT.
10:04:00AM YOU KNOW, I JUST WILL HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY, BUT WHEN I GET UP
10:04:05AM HERE, I FORGET ABOUT IT.
10:04:07AM BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE GOT TO LEARN TO RESPECT ONE ANOTHER.
10:04:09AM AND NOT DISRESPECT CERTAIN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF
10:04:16AM THEIR SKIN.
10:04:16AM RESPECT ALL PEOPLE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE NEED
10:04:19AM TO DO AND YOU ALL DO WHAT YOU ALL NEED TO DO FOR US.
10:04:23AM I KNOW YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CALL ME BACK UP HERE BECAUSE YOU
10:04:28AM ALL DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING.
10:04:30AM BUT I GIVE GOD THE GLORY FOR EVERYTHING.
10:04:33AM THAT IS THE WAY I AM.
10:04:34AM AND GOD HAS BEEN MIGHTY GOOD TO ALL OF US.
10:04:36AM I JUST WANT TO PRAISE HIM EVERYWHERE I GO.
10:04:39AM WE HAVE -- YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
10:04:45AM SO MUCH.
10:04:46AM I WANT TOP TALK -- THEY ARE RINGING THE BELL ON ME.
10:04:50AM THAT MEANS Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT I GOT TO SAY.
10:04:53AM OKAY, I WILL SIT DOWN.
10:04:54AM LET ME GET MY BIBLE AND GET OUT OF HERE.
10:04:58AM THANKS FOR THE LITTLE BIT Y'ALL HEARD.
10:05:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:05:02AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:05:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
10:05:15AM >> GRETCHEN CATHERINE.
10:05:17AM I AM A TAMPA NATIVE.
10:05:18AM I AM ALSO AN ATTORNEY AND A WRONGFUL CONVICTION SPECIALIST.
10:05:23AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA NUMBER 19, THE INDEPENDENT
10:05:26AM COUNSEL FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
10:05:28AM THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD NEEDS A COUNSEL THAT IS NOT
10:05:33AM ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY DUE TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
10:05:37AM EVEN IF WHOLEHEARTEDLY THE CITY ATTORNEY ASSIGNED TO THE
10:05:43AM CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD STAYS AWAY FROM THE OTHER TASKS OF ITS
10:05:47AM OFFICE, IT STILL GIVES THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION HE OF THE CITY
10:05:52AM -- OF THE ATTORNEY WORKING FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD
10:05:55AM ALSO WORKING FOR THE CITY.
10:05:56AM IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO HAVE THE SAME OFFICE ON BOTH
10:06:02AM SIDES OF AN INVESTIGATION.
10:06:04AM AND AS AN EXAMPLE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE RECENTLY
10:06:07AM SETTLED THE LAWSUIT FOR THE DEATH OF ARTHUR GREEN.
10:06:12AM SO TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY FROM THAT OFFICE WORK BOTH ON THE
10:06:17AM SETTLEMENT PROTECTING THE CITY'S INTEREST AND THE AMOUNT OF
10:06:20AM MONEY THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY OUT FOR HIS DEATH, TO
10:06:23AM ALSO BE THE SAME OFFICE THAT WORKS WITH THE CITIZENS REVIEW
10:06:27AM BOARD, WHICH IS TASKED ON INVESTIGATING WHETHER OR NOT TAMPA
10:06:32AM POLICE DEPARTMENT ACTED PROPERLY WHEN ARTHUR GREEN DIED,
10:06:36AM THAT IS A COMPLETE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
10:06:39AM THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD NEEDS ITS OWN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL
10:06:43AM THAT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY.
10:06:45AM AND AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, WE DID SEE RECENTLY, CITY ATTORNEY'S
10:06:53AM OFFICE REFUSING TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF CITY
10:06:57AM COUNCILMEMBERS WHEN THE OFFICE IS TASKED WITH PROTECTING
10:07:01AM CITY COUNCIL AND PROTECTING THE CITY.
10:07:03AM AND I FEAR THAT HAVING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS THE
10:07:09AM ATTORNEY FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD WILL PUT THAT
10:07:11AM ATTORNEY IN THE SAME POSITION.
10:07:12AM THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE.
10:07:14AM THANK YOU.
10:07:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:07:15AM >> MORNING.
10:07:24AM MY NAME IS THEY.
10:07:25AM AND I AM SPEAKING AGAINST THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IN AGENDA
10:07:30AM ITEM 19.
10:07:31AM AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD'S ATTORNEY
10:07:36AM ALSO REPRESENTS THE CITY, WHICH IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST,
10:07:40AM ESPECIALLY GIVEN OUR EX-POLICE CHIEF MAYOR AND IT WILL
10:07:44AM HINDER -- IT HINDERS THEIR ABILITY TO PROPERLY GIVE POLICE
10:07:52AM OVERSIGHT.
10:07:52AM AND THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE MAKES SO THAT THE CITY GETS TO
10:07:57AM CHOOSE THEIR ATTORNEY AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE SAME
10:07:59AM ATTORNEY.
10:08:00AM WHICH DOESN'T SOUND INDEPENDENT TO ME AT ALL.
10:08:04AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS FOR THEM TO HAVE THEIR OWN
10:08:10AM ATTORNEY TO BE ABLE TO HIRE AND FIRE WHOEVER THEY WANT AS
10:08:14AM THEIR ATTORNEY.
10:08:14AM GIVEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR THE MAYOR PICKS HALF AND YOU ALL
10:08:19AM PICK HALF OF THE CRB, OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, YOU
10:08:23AM WOULD THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TRUST THEM ENOUGH TO HAVE
10:08:26AM POWER OVER THAT THEMSELVES.
10:08:29AM I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE INDEPENDENT,
10:08:33AM ESPECIALLY IF, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING OVER
10:08:37AM POLICE CASES AND GIVING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:08:39AM WE WANT TO HAVE THEM BE ABLE TO BE TRANSPARENT AND ABLE TO
10:08:44AM CARRY OUT THEIR JOBS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF POLICE
10:08:47AM TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE CITY.
10:08:49AM THANK YOU.
10:08:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:08:52AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:08:58AM I HAVE A VISUAL AID ON THE ELMO, IF WE COULD SWITCH TO IT.
10:09:02AM JAMES MICHAEL SHAW, JR. I AM WITH THE LOCAL ACLU CHAPTER.
10:09:07AM I WANT TO ECHO WHAT ATTORNEY COTHERN AND CLAPHOLT SAID ON
10:09:15AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19.
10:09:16AM I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SWITCH TO THE ELMO.
10:09:18AM IS THERE A BUTTON.
10:09:20AM >> IT IS THERE NOW.
10:09:21AM >> I WRITTEN OUT THE LANGUAGE DRAFTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
10:09:24AM OFFICE WITH THE MODIFICATIONS WE ARE ASKING FOR.
10:09:26AM THE THEY WAY DRAFT IT, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE LEGAL COUNSEL.
10:09:30AM THE CITY WHO?
10:09:32AM THE MAYOR, YOU ALL, ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY.
10:09:38AM MOTION MADE AND PASSED IS TO MODEL THE LANGUAGE OFF OF THE
10:09:44AM SIMILAR LANGUAGE FROM OTHER ORDINANCES AND OTHER
10:09:47AM MUNICIPALITIES.
10:09:47AM IN MIAMI-DADE CITY CODE, 11.5-34-B, ORANGE COUNTY CODE
10:09:57AM 2-195F, KEY WEST, 3.097.
10:10:01AM ALL OF THEM SAY THE CRB IS THE BODY THAT RETAINS THE
10:10:05AM ATTORNEY.
10:10:05AM FOR IT TO BE TRULY INDEPENDENT BY THE PUBLIC YOU CAN'T HAVE
10:10:12AM AN ATTORNEY ASSIGNED TO IT BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
10:10:14AM THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN THEIR OWN ATTORNEY WHO CAN
10:10:17AM ACT INDEPENDENTLY AND ASK THAT THAT MODIFICATION BE MADE TO
10:10:21AM THE LANGUAGE.
10:10:21AM THE OTHER ONE -- GOING BACK TO THE ELMO.
10:10:25AM SAYS TO SERVE AS THE LEGAL ADVISOR FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW
10:10:30AM BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:10:31AM THE LANGUAGE IS UNNECESSARY.
10:10:32AM ONLY ONE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
10:10:34AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPECIFY THE ONE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:10:37AM AND IT IS -- AND IT IS CONFUSING TOO, BECAUSE COULD BE READ
10:10:41AM TO SERVICE THE LEGAL ADVISOR FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
10:10:44AM TO THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
10:10:46AM THAT LANGUAGE DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE AND I ASK THAT
10:10:49AM SOMEBODY MOVE TO STRIKE IT.
10:10:50AM OTHER THAN THAT, I WAS STRUCK BY THE WORD OF THE INVOCATION
10:10:53AM THIS MORNING WHEN HE SAID THAT YOU SHOULD BE GUIDED BY WHAT
10:10:57AM IS BEST FOR THE CITIZENS.
10:10:59AM AND NOT WHAT IS BEST FOR YOUR NETWORKS.
10:11:01AM I WANT TO REMIND YOU -- AND WE SENT THIS TO YOU SEVERAL
10:11:04AM TIMES, 68% OF TAMPA VOTERS WANT TO -- WANT THERE TO BE AN
10:11:10AM INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY FOR THE CRB.
10:11:12AM 68% OF THE VOTERS.
10:11:13AM DON'T POSITION YOURSELF IN BETWEEN THE WILL OF THE WILL OF
10:11:18AM 68% OF THE VOTERS AND THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.
10:11:21AM I NOTICE TODAY THERE IS NOT A PHALANX OF PAID POLICE
10:11:29AM OFFICERS BEHIND ME AND THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS
10:11:31AM ACTIVISTS TO HAVE THIS ONE.
10:11:33AM NOT ANYTHING RADICAL AND ALREADY IN MIAMI, ORANGE COUNTY AND
10:11:37AM KEY WEST.
10:11:37AM I ASK THAT YOU ALLOW THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON THIS AND NOT
10:11:40AM POSITION YOURSELVES IN BETWEEN THE VOTERS IN SOMETHING THAT
10:11:43AM THE VOTERS WANT TO VOTE ON EVEN THOUGH 68% OF VOTERS FAVOR
10:11:48AM THIS PRO VICTIMS, 82% FAVOR VOTING ON IT.
10:11:51AM SO EVEN THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST IT FAVOR VOTING ON IT.
10:11:55AM FAVOR PUT IT TO A VOTE AND SAY I MIGHT NOT BE PERSONALLY IN
10:12:00AM FAVOR OF THIS, BUT IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS, I AM NOT GOING TO
10:12:05AM STAND IN THE WAY.
10:12:05AM I ASK YOU TO BE LIKE THE VOTERS.
10:12:08AM I WILL BE WATCHING AND THE VOTERS WILL BE WATCHING LAND
10:12:11AM NOTICE IF YOU DON'T LET US VOTE ON THIS.
10:12:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:12:15AM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF I SEE NO ONE ELSE STANDING TO SPEAK
10:12:22AM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:12:24AM I WOULD ASSUME THAT BISHOP PATTY IS THE LAST PERSON
10:12:28AM SPEAKING?
10:12:36AM I BELIEVE YOU ARE HANDING OUT SOMETHING FROM BISHOP PATTY?
10:12:43AM >> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
10:12:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BISHOP PATTY, PLEASE PROCEED.
10:13:00AM >> GOOD MORNING, BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY, AND I STAND BEFORE
10:13:05AM YOU AS A TAXPAYER.
10:13:07AM I COME TO ASK THIS CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A MOTION TO WITHHOLD
10:13:10AM THE $100,000 THAT YOU HAVE ALLOTTED FOR THE NAACP.
10:13:15AM REASON BEING, FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN
10:13:22AM AN AUDIT OF THE NAACP.
10:13:24AM PRESIDENT YVETTE LEWIS, BE THERE, HAVE VIOLATED THE BYLAWS
10:13:30AM OF THE NAACP.
10:13:32AM THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN AUDIT EVERY YEAR.
10:13:34AM THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.
10:13:36AM NOW YOU THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE $100,000 TO AN
10:13:45AM ORGANIZATION WHERE THERE IS NO TRANSPARENCY AND NO
10:13:47AM ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:13:47AM WHAT I PASSED OUT TO YOU A LETTER FROM TOBA.
10:13:52AM A TAMPA ORGANIZATION OF TAMPA BLACK BUSINESS AFFAIRS.
10:13:55AM AND THEY HAVE BEEN A PART OF POLITICAL PROCESS WITH
10:14:07AM THE NAACP FOR MANY YEARS.
10:14:08AM AS YOU SEE FROM THEIR LETTER THEY WITHDRAW THE SPONSORSHIP
10:14:13AM OF THIS ORGANIZATION BECAUSE NO TRANSPARENCY AND NO
10:14:17AM ACCOUNTABILITY OF FUNDS.
10:14:18AM THEY ARE ASKING -- AND I AM ASKING AS A TAXPAYER THAT YOU
10:14:21AM ALL DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE -- I AM OFTEN HEARING THE WORD
10:14:25AM "TRANSPARENCY," "ACCOUNTABILITY" SO $100,000 TO AN
10:14:30AM ORGANIZATION THAT FEEL LIKE THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW FEEL THAT
10:14:34AM THEY DO NOT HAVE TO ADHERE TO ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:14:38AM FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE RULES, THEN NO
10:14:43AM MONIES SHALL BE GIVEN UNTIL YOU ALL CAN SEE WHAT HAS
10:14:47AM TRANSPIRED WITH MONIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
10:14:54AM THERE ARE NO SCHOLARSHIPS GIVEN TO CHILDREN AS OF LATE.
10:14:57AM THERE ARE NO BUSINESSES THAT THEY CAN POINT TO.
10:15:00AM SO ALL THIS WILL COME OUT IN AN AUDIT.
10:15:02AM AND THE AUDIT NEEDS TO BE ASKED BY IN COUNCIL.
10:15:09AM BECAUSE WE, THE VOTERS, VOTED FOR YOU TO ENSURE THAT OUR
10:15:13AM FUNDS ARE BEING LOOKED AFTER AND NOT JUST SQUANDERED AWAY.
10:15:17AM AS THE PRAYER WAS, YOU DO WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
10:15:20AM THE CITIZENS AND NOT WHAT YOU ARE THINKING IS GOING TO HELP
10:15:23AM PROPEL YOU INTO YOUR NEXT ARENA AS A POLITICAL FIGURE.
10:15:29AM SO I AM HOPING THAT EACH ONE YOU WILL DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
10:15:33AM THAT YOU WILL DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
10:15:35AM THAT YOU DO RIGHT BY THE PEOPLE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF
10:15:42AM TAMPA WHO IS COUNTING ON YOU NOT TO SQUANDER $100,000 TO AN
10:15:46AM ORGANIZATION THAT WILL NOT ADHERE TO TRANSPARENCY AND
10:15:50AM ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:15:50AM THANK YOU.
10:15:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:15:52AM >> MENTESNOT.
10:16:02AM GOOD MORNING.
10:16:02AM FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAY GOOD MORNING.
10:16:04AM UHURU, THAT IS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
10:16:11AM WE, AS AFRICANS, NEED TO BE THINKING OF OUR FREEDOM.
10:16:14AM BAFOON, A CLOWN.
10:16:16AM THE CLASS CLOWN.
10:16:17AM A STRAIGHT BAFOON.
10:16:19AM NOTHING MORE.
10:16:20AM NOTHING LESS.
10:16:21AM WHEN IN THIS WORLD DO YOU HEAR AFRICAN PEOPLE HATING ON
10:16:26AM AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:16:27AM AND AFRICAN PERSON HATING A CHLOE CONEY.
10:16:32AM AN AFRICAN PERSON HATING ON ORLANDO GUDES WITH ALL THE
10:16:38AM DISCREPANCIES.
10:16:39AM AN AFRICAN PERSON HATING ON TAMPA SHAUMBURGER WHEN THEY
10:16:45AM CAN'T CONTROL THE SITUATION.
10:16:46AM A BAFOON, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
10:16:50AM NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANYTHING.
10:16:52AM AND TO TELL ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, IF YOU GO ON
10:16:57AM MICHELLE PATTY'S SHOW, ON THAT SATURDAY MORNING, THAT CLOWN
10:17:01AM CENTRAL, THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
10:17:03AM WITH JOE ROBINSON, CLOWN CENTRAL, ALWAYS TALKING OF PUTTING
10:17:08AM THE FBI AND POLICE ON PEOPLE.
10:17:11AM A BLACK PERSON.
10:17:12AM ANN, A NEGRO, WHERE IN THIS WORLD DO YOU EVER HEAR NEGROES
10:17:18AM TALKING ABOUT CALLING THE POLICE ON PEOPLE.
10:17:19AM WE KNOW WHAT THE POLICE TO DO US!
10:17:22AM BUT THESE CLOWNS, IF THEY CAN'T HAVE IT THEIR WAY, THEY ARE
10:17:26AM LIKE GOSSIPERS.
10:17:28AM THEY ARE GARBAGE.
10:17:32AM NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
10:17:33AM STRAIGHT GARBAGE OPERATING IN THE HOOD.
10:17:35AM WHERE IN THE HOOD CAN YOU GO.
10:17:37AM ASK REAL AFRICANS IN HERE.
10:17:39AM WHERE IN THE HOOD CAN YOU TALK OF CALLING THE POLICE ON
10:17:42AM SOMEBODY.
10:17:42AM IT IS CALLED SNITCHING.
10:17:44AM AND BLACK PEOPLE DON'T DO IT.
10:17:45AM EVEN WHEN OUR FAMILY MEMBERS GET KILLED.
10:17:49AM BLACK PEOPLE DON'T DO IT.
10:17:50AM DON'T TELL.
10:17:51AM AM I RIGHT OR AM I WRONG?
10:17:54AM WE DON'T DO IT.
10:17:55AM A CLOWN!
10:17:57AM CLOWN CENTRAL.
10:17:58AM Y'ALL ARE ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN.
10:18:00AM DON'T GO ON HER SHOW ANYMORE BECAUSE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
10:18:03AM HATRED YOU HAVE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:18:04AM NOTHING MORE.
10:18:05AM NOTHING LESS.
10:18:06AM BEING USED AS A BAFOON AND A CLOWN.
10:18:09AM THE OLDEST CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE
10:18:14AM WORLD TRYING TO TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM THEM.
10:18:16AM THIS CITY OWE US TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REPARATIONS AND WE
10:18:21AM AIN'T GOT THAT!
10:18:22AM AND A CLOWN DOWN HERE.
10:18:24AM A SHE-MALE CLOWN TALKING ABOUT $100,000!
10:18:30AM THE CITY OWES US THAT A HUNDRED TIMES OVER.
10:18:33AM THEY OWE US AFRICAN PEOPLE THAT A HUNDRED TIMES OVER.
10:18:37AM WE ARE 26% OF THE POPULATION.
10:18:39AM STOP COMING DOWN HERE AND TALKING GARBAGE!
10:18:42AM STOP COMING DOWN HERE TALKING OF SPEED BUMPS AND MONEY FOR
10:18:46AM PARKS AND JUNETEENTH.
10:18:48AM THAT IS GARBAGE.
10:18:49AM THAT IS BEGGING.
10:18:50AM NOW COMING DOWN WITH THAT CONFUSION.
10:18:52AM BRINGING THAT CONFUSION OFF YOUR RADIO SHOW RIGHT DOWN TO
10:18:55AM CITY COUNCIL.
10:18:56AM IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
10:18:58AM NOT IN THIS CITY.
10:18:58AM NOT IN THIS CITY, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
10:19:01AM THANK YOU.
10:19:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:19:08AM >> WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO WITH YOUR
10:19:12AM DISRESPECTFUL SELF.
10:19:15AM >> I AM NO BULLY; I AM AN AVERAGE GUY.
10:19:20AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:19:23AM ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:19:26AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
10:19:30AM I GOTTEN SEVERAL -- TENANT BILL OF RIGHTS.
10:19:34AM I GOTTEN SEVERAL CALLS FROM COMMUNITY PEOPLE INDICATING THAT
10:19:38AM FOR ONE WHOLE APARTMENT COMPLEX -- A LOT OF PEOPLE IN AN
10:19:42AM APARTMENT COMPLEX, RATHER, THAT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IS NO
10:19:45AM LONGER ACCEPTING VOUCHERS, SECTION 8.
10:19:49AM GOT ANOTHER CALL FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE STATING THAT THEIR
10:19:53AM LANDLORD WILL NO LONGER ACCEPT R-3 MONEY -- R-3 PROGRAM,
10:19:59AM ASSISTANCE.
10:19:59AM THEY WANT THE TENANTS TO PAY THE MONEY OUTRIGHT.
10:20:02AM ISN'T THE TENANT PILL OF RIGHTS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THEM
10:20:07AM FROM THAT?
10:20:08AM WHAT IS THE ENFORCEMENT ON IT.
10:20:10AM HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT.
10:20:12AM WE PUT ORDINANCES IN PLACE BUT NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.
10:20:17AM THAT IS WHAT IS NEEDED.
10:20:18AM SO WE CAN PUT A LOT OF STUFF IN WRITING SAYING, HEY, AND THE
10:20:23AM BIGGEST CONVERSATION TO DATE HAS BEEN GETTING INFORMATION
10:20:27AM OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
10:20:28AM HOW MANY OF THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES KNOW THAT THIS IS --
10:20:34AM THIS IS, IN FACT, AN ORDINANCE, SOMETHING THEY SHOULD BE
10:20:37AM ABIDING BY.
10:20:38AM HOW DO YOU GET THAT INFORMATION OUT?
10:20:44AM SO IT IS A REAL PROBLEM WITH PUTTING THINGS IN WRITING WITH
10:20:49AM NO -- NO ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT.
10:20:53AM IT MAKES IT A WORTHLESS DOCUMENT.
10:20:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:20:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:21:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS MISS TRAVIS STILL HERE.
10:21:02AM SHE IS THERE?
10:21:05AM I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
10:21:09AM >> HEY, MISS TRAVIS.
10:21:11AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: HI, MISS LOCKETT.
10:21:15AM [LAUGHTER]
10:21:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HEARD MISS LOCKETT'S QUESTIONS?
10:21:20AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YEP.
10:21:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE A RESPONSE FOR HER.
10:21:23AM I KNOW YOU WILL BE TRUTHFUL TO US.
10:21:26AM THAT IS WHY I CALLED YOU UP.
10:21:27AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THE TENANT BILL OF RIGHTS IS AN ORDINANCE
10:21:30AM AND YOUR POWERS ARE LIMITED IN WHAT YOU CAN DO.
10:21:32AM IT IS COMPLAINT-DRIVEN, NUMBER ONE.
10:21:36AM SO PEOPLE HAVE TO FILE A COMPLAINT.
10:21:37AM CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT AND YOU GET A FINE.
10:21:40AM AND THE MOST WE CAN FINE THE LANDLORD IS $450.
10:21:45AM WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE TENANT BILL OF RIGHTS IS HONESTLY THE
10:21:51AM MOST THAT YOU CAN DO AS A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY.
10:21:55AM WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER -- WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO
10:21:59AM MORE THAN THAT.
10:22:00AM BUT IT IS COMPLAINT-DRIVEN.
10:22:02AM SO IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS, LIKE SOME OF THE ONES THAT MISS
10:22:06AM LOCKETT BROUGHT UP, THEY NEED TO CONTACT CODE ENFORCEMENT,
10:22:11AM FILE THE COMPLAINT -- WE HAVE HAD SOME COME THROUGH.
10:22:14AM IT IS COMPLAINT-DRIVEN AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP AND
10:22:16AM INVESTIGATE.
10:22:17AM BUT TO THINK THAT THE TENANT BILL OF RIGHTS IS GOING TO
10:22:22AM SOLVE IT ALL, IT'S NOT.
10:22:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, QUESTION NUMBER TWO.
10:22:27AM I KNOW THEY HAVE THIS APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, CORRECT.
10:22:29AM IS THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION -- DO WE HAVE ANY LITERATURE TO
10:22:33AM GIVE OUT TO THE APARTMENTS IN THE CITY TO KNOW THE RULES.
10:22:36AM HAVE WE DONE THAT?
10:22:37AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
10:22:37AM ACTUALLY OUR ATTORNEY, REBECCA JOHNS, HAS DONE TWO SEMINARS
10:22:42AM WITH THE LANDLORDS AND THE RENTAL ASSOCIATIONS.
10:22:46AM AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED INFORMATION TO THEM.
10:22:49AM SO WE WENT THERE, GIVEN THEM THE INFORMATION.
10:22:53AM SO, YES, WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION.
10:22:56AM >> ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES?
10:22:59AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: NOT TO THE COMPLEX, HE WAS ASKING OF THE
10:23:01AM ASSOCIATIONS.
10:23:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GUESS THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF THAT.
10:23:04AM IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MAYBE THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT OR -- CAN
10:23:09AM CREATE SOME TYPE OF PALM CARD OR CARD THAT CAN BE TAKEN WITH
10:23:15AM CODE ENFORCEMENT TO STOP BY THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND
10:23:18AM MAKE SURE THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
10:23:21AM I AM SURE THE -- MR. VIERA'S DISTRICT BUT EVEN CALLING ME,
10:23:26AM PEBBLE WOOD.
10:23:27AM THEY KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE AND WHAT -- WHAT THE ORDINANCES
10:23:31AM ARE.
10:23:31AM IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
10:23:33AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES, ABSOLUTELY.
10:23:34AM IT IS ALWAYS POSSIBLE FOR US TO CREATE DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET
10:23:40AM THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
10:23:42AM WE CAN DEFINITELY GO AND CREATE A FLIER.
10:23:45AM WE HAVE A FLIER WITH INFORMATION AS FAR AS RESOURCES.
10:23:48AM BUT WE CAN ALSO CREATE SOME KIND OF EDUCATION MATERIAL ON IF
10:23:52AM YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.
10:23:54AM IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR APARTMENT IS SUBSTANDARD AND PROVIDE
10:23:58AM THAT IN A DIFFERENT LITERATURE.
10:24:00AM WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
10:24:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LOOKING -- THAT TOO.
10:24:03AM BUT MAKING SURE THAT THE APARTMENT MANAGEMENT KNOWS THAT
10:24:06AM THERE IS AN ORDINANCE, A RULE IN THE CITY, AND THAT WAY WHEN
10:24:09AM CODE ENFORCEMENT GO -- TO THESE APARTMENTS, THEY CAN HAND
10:24:13AM THAT OUT.
10:24:13AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
10:24:15AM ONCE A COMPLAINT IS MADE, ONCE CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES OUT --
10:24:20AM LITERATURE TO GIVE TO THE APARTMENT MANAGER IS WHAT YOU ARE
10:24:22AM SAYING.
10:24:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OR JUST -- IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A
10:24:26AM COMPLAINT.
10:24:26AM ON THEIR REGULAR DUTIES AS THEY ARE DRIVING AROUND AND HAVE
10:24:29AM AN APARTMENT -- AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THEIR AREA TO HAND
10:24:33AM IT AND -- GIVE THAT TO THEM SO THEY WILL KNOW.
10:24:37AM MAYBE SOMETIMES THE APARTMENT PEOPLE ARE OUT OF STATE AND
10:24:40AM SOMEBODY IN THE OFFICE WHO ARE RUN IT AND THEY DON'T KNOW
10:24:44AM FOR THEMSELVES.
10:24:45AM TO HAVE SOMETHING TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR OF THE APARTMENT
10:24:47AM COMPLEX MANAGER.
10:24:48AM HERE IS THE ORDINANCE.
10:24:49AM SO THEY WILL BE INFORMED.
10:24:51AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WE WILL WORK ON THAT.
10:24:53AM >> SO QUESTION.
10:24:54AM SO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN GO TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX MORE
10:25:00AM THAN FOUR UNITS?
10:25:02AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
10:25:03AM THEY CAN GO.
10:25:04AM BUT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO -- IN ORDER FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO
10:25:08AM GO INTO AN APARTMENT, SOMEONE HAS TO INVITE THEM INTO THE
10:25:12AM APARTMENT.
10:25:12AM SO IF A TENANT IS IN THE APARTMENT AND THEY HAVE A COMPLAINT
10:25:15AM ABOUT THEIR UNIT BEING SUBSTANDARD, THEY HAVE TO INVITE CODE
10:25:19AM ENFORCEMENT IN.
10:25:20AM CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL DOCUMENT IT.
10:25:22AM THEY WILL -- THEY WILL PROVIDE A VIOLATION.
10:25:28AM BUT WE ALSO SEND IT TO THE STATE.
10:25:30AM SO, YES.
10:25:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:25:33AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF PROCESS?
10:25:39AM GOOD SEEING YOU.
10:25:40AM >> YOU TOO.
10:25:41AM I GUESS THAT IS SETTLED -- WE WILL SEE IF IT IS SETTLED.
10:25:44AM HOPEFULLY -- I TRUST -- I TRUST THAT YOU WILL.
10:25:48AM OKAY.
10:25:49AM THAT IS ALL I NEEDED.
10:25:50AM THANK YOU.
10:25:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:25:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
10:26:00AM I JUST WANT TO SAY THE REASON WE DON'T TELL IS WE KNOW WE
10:26:06AM DON'T RECEIVE JUSTICE.
10:26:07AM WE DON'T GET JUSTICE HERE.
10:26:09AM WE DON'T GET JUSTICE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
10:26:11AM SO THE COMMUNITY HAS TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE OUR
10:26:14AM OWN ISSUES.
10:26:15AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO QUICKLY
10:26:18AM IS THAT THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE THE ONE THAT CONTROLS THE
10:26:24AM LEGAL COUNSEL OF AN INDONESIA PENITENTIARY COUNSEL.
10:26:28AM THE CITY AND THE MAYOR MADE A DETERMINATION EVEN WHEN
10:26:32AM CHOOSING WHO THE NAACP WOULD SEND TO REPRESENT THE INTEREST
10:26:38AM OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
10:26:39AM SHE WOULD HAVE A HAND IN THAT AS WELL SO NO INDEPENDENT
10:26:47AM AROUND -- INDEPENDENCE AROUND THE BOARD OR THIS COMMUNITY.
10:26:49AM THE VERY LEAST THIS COUNCIL CAN DO IS LIFT YOURSELF UP WITH
10:26:54AM REAL TRANSPARENCY AND SAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF THIS
10:26:56AM COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO UP OR DOWN THAT VOTE AND
10:27:02AM THAT COUNSEL SHOULD BE INDEPENDENTLY CHOSEN BY THE CITIZEN
10:27:07AM REVIEW BOARD.
10:27:08AM NOTHING ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY SPOKE TO THE NAACP ISSUE.
10:27:13AM I WOULD HAVE RESPECTED THE ADMINISTRATION THAT IF YOU DIDN'T
10:27:17AM WANT TO GIVE THE NAACP ANY MONEY, DON'T GIVE IT TO THEM.
10:27:21AM FOR SO LONG THE NAACP HAS BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH A LIMITED
10:27:28AM BUDGET NOW WHAT WE SEE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS HIRED
10:27:40AM OUTSIDE SOURCES TO DO THEIR WORK.
10:27:42AM IT'S AWFUL.
10:27:44AM IT IS HYPOCRITICAL.
10:27:46AM THE COMMUNITY IS SUFFERING.
10:27:48AM WHETHER IT IS AROUND THE ISSUE OF NOT HAVING AFFORDABLE
10:27:53AM HOUSING IN EAST TAMPA.
10:27:54AM ALL WE SEE IN EAST TAMPA IS A TEMPERATURE IN OF HOUSES THAT
10:27:58AM WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PURCHASE.
10:28:00AM $300,000, $450,000 NEXT TO HOUSES THAT NEED, WHAT?
10:28:05AM REAL REHAB.
10:28:06AM AND WE CAN'T GET THAT DONE.
10:28:08AM FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PUSH A REHAB
10:28:15AM BILL THAT IS ALMOST LIKE A SHELL GAME.
10:28:17AM IT IS NOT BEING DONE.
10:28:18AM SO WHAT I AM BELIEVING NOW IS AN UNDERMINING ATTEMPT TO
10:28:23AM REMOVE ALL POOR PEOPLE OUT OF EAST TAMPA.
10:28:25AM BECAUSE IT IS THE CLOSEST THEY CAN BE TO YBOR, THE
10:28:29AM RIVERWALK, FRIENDS OF THE RIVER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL
10:28:32AM IT, WE ARE NOT ENJOYING ANY OF THE BENEFIT.
10:28:34AM THE PERSON WHO HAS HAD THE SHORTEST MEMBERSHIP OF THE NAACP
10:28:43AM RECEIVED A SUSPENSION FROM THE NATIONAL.
10:28:45AM YOU KNOW WHY?
10:28:46AM BECAUSE THE NATIONAL IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW A MICHELLE PATTY
10:28:50AM TO CONTROL THE NAACP.
10:28:53AM THAT IS REAL.
10:28:56AM SO HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN IT AND LET THE NAACP
10:29:02AM AND ITS LEGAL COUNSEL DEAL WITH THE MICHELLE PATTYS OF THIS
10:29:07AM WORLD.
10:29:07AM THANK YOU.
10:29:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:29:08AM >> SIT DOWN.
10:29:13AM >> YOU SIT DOWN.
10:29:14AM >> DON'T THINK WHO YOU IS.
10:29:17AM >> MICHELLE B. PATTY.
10:29:19AM >> NOTHING.
10:29:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE.
10:29:21AM THANK YOU.
10:29:21AM MR. ROBINSON.
10:30:06AM >> YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTS.
10:30:07AM I WANT THOSE DOCUMENTS RECEIVED AND FILED IN THE PUBLIC
10:30:11AM RECORDS BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WHENEVER YOU ACCEPT THOSE.
10:30:14AM I WANT THOSE RECEIVED AND FILED.
10:30:16AM FIRST OF ALL, I AM JOE ROBINSON, AND I AM NOT A CONVICTED
10:30:19AM FELON.
10:30:20AM DO NOT LET CONVICTED FELONS SIT HERE AND TELL YOU WHAT
10:30:24AM TAXPAYERS WHO PAY THEIR TAXES WANT OR DON'T WANT.
10:30:27AM I AM NOT A CONVICTED FELON.
10:30:29AM I AM NOT A CONVICTED FELON.
10:30:31AM WHOM THE GODS MAKE ANGRY.
10:30:38AM CHARLIE IS RIGHT ON THE FIRST ISSUE ABOUT WATER ISSUES.
10:30:42AM I WANT TO SAY LET THE SCIENCE, THE PRO IF EGGSAL ENGINEERS,
10:30:47AM THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW ABOUT WATER DICTATE THIS, NOT POLITICS.
10:30:51AM LET'S LOOK AT POSSIBILITY LIKE THEY SAID CHANGING SENATE
10:30:57AM BILL 64.
10:30:58AM NO PRESSURE THERE.
10:30:59AM THE REASON THAT SERVE IS ARGUING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE SAID
10:31:04AM THAT THE STATUTE SAYS WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
10:31:06AM LET'S TRY TO CHANGE THE STATUTE.
10:31:08AM THAT IS A COMPROMISE.
10:31:09AM OTHERWISE I SAT ON S.W.F.W.M.D. BASIN BOARD.
10:31:13AM I KNOW ABOUT WATER, RECLAIMED WATER AND ALL THE MONEY FOR
10:31:15AM THE CITY TO GET TO WHERE THEY ARE AT.
10:31:18AM 20 YEARS AGO, RIGHT, CHARLIE?
10:31:20AM NOW LET'S GET TO WHY I'M HERE.
10:31:21AM I'M HERE BECAUSE I AM ASK CITY COUNCIL MAKE A MOTION THAT
10:31:26AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL REQUEST FOR A FORENSIC AUDIT OF
10:31:29AM THE NAACP, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH FINANCES AND BE
10:31:34AM PROVIDED TO THEM BY THE NAACP, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH AT
10:31:38AM THE BRANCH'S EXPENSE.
10:31:39AM AND SAMPLE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD REQUEST AN AUDIT BE PERFORMED
10:31:44AM OF THE CITY AUDITORS OF FUNDS GIVEN TO THE NAACP
10:31:49AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH OF THE LAST THREE YEARS OF THE
10:31:52AM 2023 BUDGET OF $100,000 BE RELEASED TO THE HILLSBOROUGH
10:31:56AM COUNTY BRANCH.
10:31:57AM THE REASON ABOVE REQUEST FOR THE CITY COUNCIL FROM THE
10:32:03AM FINANCES OF THE NAACP BRANCH AND THAT IT BE AN AUDIT FOR THE
10:32:09AM LAST THREE YEARS IS BECAUSE THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL'S
10:32:14AM POSSIBILITY FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, MR. CARSON,
10:32:17AM FOR TAXPAYER DOLLARS BEING BUDGETED, RECEIVED, AND SPENT BY
10:32:22AM NONPROFIT PUBLIC CHARITY ENTITIES WITH FUNDS COME FROM THE
10:32:25AM CITY'S BUDGET.
10:32:27AM THE ATTACHED PRESS RELEASE DATED NOVEMBER 16 THAT YOU ALL
10:32:31AM HAVE AND ASKED TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED GIVE MORE REASONS
10:32:34AM WHY THIS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED.
10:32:36AM IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAGE -- THE SECOND PAGE OF THE AUDIT'S
10:32:40AM REQUEST IN YELLOW.
10:32:41AM IN YELLOW.
10:32:42AM IN YELLOW.
10:32:43AM IN YELLOW.
10:32:44AM IT SAYS, QUOTE, WE ARE NOT ENGAGED TO AND DID NOT CONDUCT AN
10:32:50AM AUDIT FOR REVIEWING ENGAGEMENT THAT IS EXPRESSION OF AN
10:32:56AM OPINION OR CONCLUSION.
10:32:56AM NO AUDIT DONE.
10:32:57AM REVIEW IN ITS ISSUES, AND I TAKE OFFENSE IS EVERYBODY
10:33:02AM TALKING OF JOE ROBINSON AND THE FBI.
10:33:04AM NOW THE FBI WILL BE INVOKED NOW BY SAYING WHAT YOU SAID, YOU
10:33:07AM ACCIDENTALLY COME TO INVESTIGATE.
10:33:09AM PLEASE DO NOT BE PART OF PUBLIC CORRUPTION OR AIDING AND
10:33:14AM ABETTING IN THE EFFORT BY THE NAACP.
10:33:16AM NOT THE ORGANIZATION, THE PUBLIC CORRUPT INDIVIDUALS.
10:33:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:33:21AM ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC
10:33:26AM COMMENT?
10:33:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:33:28AM MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:33:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:33:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT THERE
10:33:35AM ARE SOME ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING OVER THERE AND IT IS
10:33:37AM UNFORTUNATE.
10:33:39AM THE LONGEST BLACK ORGANIZATION THAT STANDS UP FOR THE RIGHTS
10:33:42AM OF PEOPLE, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
10:33:44AM ALL PEOPLE.
10:33:45AM NO MATTER WHAT.
10:33:46AM I DID RECEIVE A MESSAGE THAT THE NATIONAL OFFICE WILL BE IN
10:33:54AM TOWN.
10:33:54AM ALL THE BIG WIGS ARE COMING IN TOWN.
10:33:57AM AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OPEN
10:34:00AM INVITATION -- IF IT IS A CLOSED MEETING, I WILL UNDERSTAND,
10:34:05AM BUT ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS TO HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE NAACP
10:34:13AM AGENDA.
10:34:13AM I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS COMING BUT A FEW WEEKS THEY WILL
10:34:16AM BE HERE IN TAMPA TO DEAL WITH ANY ISSUES MUCH THE LOCAL
10:34:19AM BRANCH OR ANY QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE AND I AM
10:34:24AM INFORMED WITH THAT.
10:34:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WILL THEY BE REACHING OUT TO US?
10:34:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY UNDERSTANDING THEY WILL BE REACHING OUT
10:34:30AM TO ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO MAY WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS.
10:34:32AM AT THAT TIME IF ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTION -- I DON'T KNOW
10:34:37AM WHICH NATIONAL OFFICERS ARE COMING -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS
10:34:40AM PRESIDENT -- BUT I WAS INFORMED THAT THE NATIONAL OFFICE IS
10:34:43AM COMING TO TAMPA TO, I GUESS, TALK AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
10:34:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
10:34:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO COUNCIL'S
10:34:52AM ATTENTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:34:53AM I WILL JUST ASK BASED JUST WHAT I AM HEARING, I BE KEPT IN
10:34:58AM THE LOOP.
10:34:59AM I DON'T WANT ANY SUNSHINE ISSUES.
10:35:01AM CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS RELEVANT TO CITY COUNCIL AND
10:35:04AM PUBLIC BUSINESS, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S
10:35:07AM BASES ARE COVERED.
10:35:08AM SO I APPRECIATE YOUR AWARENESS AND BRINGING IT TO MY
10:35:11AM ATTENTION.
10:35:11AM THANK YOU.
10:35:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
10:35:15AM MAKE ANY COMMENTS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:35:19AM SEEING NONE.
10:35:19AM I BELIEVE WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS -- THREE PEOPLE WHO WISH TO
10:35:24AM SPEAK VIRTUALLY.
10:35:25AM MR. RANDOLPH, ARE YOU THERE?
10:35:30AM >> YES, GOOD MORNING.
10:35:31AM HOW IS EVERYBODY TODAY.
10:35:33AM I'M HERE FOR A FOLLOW-UP TO THE MEETING WE GAVE ON OCTOBER
10:35:38AM 31.
10:35:40AM REDUCING STREET VIOLENCE, A NATIONAL APPROACH.
10:35:45AM HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY, SOCIO AND ECONOMICAL DEVELOPMENT,
10:35:50AM CONNECTING THE DOTS.
10:35:51AM I WILL DO A FOLLOW-UP MEETING ON DECEMBER 30 AT 6 P.M. WE
10:35:56AM GOT A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT COULDN'T
10:35:59AM MAKE THAT MEETING, BUT THEY WANTED US TO DO AN EVENING
10:36:03AM MEETING AND WE WILL DO THAT ON DECEMBER 30 AT 6 P.M. AS YOU
10:36:08AM KNOW THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE IS NOT STOPPING.
10:36:10AM ANY TIME YOU READ THE NEWSPAPER IT INCREASED.
10:36:14AM USING IMPROPER THAT ATTRACT, EXCITE, EDUCATE AND TRANSFORM
10:36:20AM THE ALL CORE YOUTH ON THE CORNER.
10:36:22AM I AM ASKING EVERYBODY THAT CAN ATTEND THAT PARTICULAR
10:36:25AM MEETING TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON ACROSS THE COUNTRY
10:36:30AM IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE.
10:36:32AM I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR ATTENDING
10:36:37AM THAT MEETING.
10:36:38AM I APPRECIATE YOU ATTENDED THAT MEETING.
10:36:40AM THAT WAS A NATIONAL MEETING WITH PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE
10:36:43AM COUNTRY TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO REDUCE VIOLENCE.
10:36:45AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:36:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:36:47AM MISS STROHMEYER.
10:36:51AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:36:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
10:36:56AM >> YEAH, MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, SOUTH OF GANDY FOR 31
10:37:03AM YEARS.
10:37:04AM TAMPA FOR 52 YEARS.
10:37:07AM I AM CALLING -- I AM JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE AGENDA A
10:37:10AM LITTLE BIT BUT I WAS SHOCKED ABOUT NUMBER 7 THAT WAS EVEN ON
10:37:13AM THE AGENDA BECAUSE Y'ALL KNOW, I ENCOURAGE THE AGENDA, AND I
10:37:17AM DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO INTO EACH AND EVERY ITEM, BUT WHEN
10:37:21AM THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED AS I WAS COMING BACK FROM WALKING
10:37:25AM MY DOG, I WAS ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED.
10:37:27AM Y'ALL SEEN THE E-MAIL THAT I SENT BECAUSE I WAS REALLY UPSET
10:37:31AM ABOUT THAT, NOT KNOWING BASED ON WHAT IT SAID ON THE LITTLE
10:37:38AM BLURB THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
10:37:39AM PLEASE MAKE THAT MORE CLEAR.
10:37:41AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:37:42AM AND ON THE AGENDA.
10:37:44AM STORMWATER UPDATE.
10:37:45AM I WILL LISTEN TO THAT UNLESS YOU DID IT WHEN I WAS WALKING
10:37:49AM MY DOG.
10:37:49AM I DON'T THINK SO.
10:37:50AM WE HAVE -- LET'S SEE, TEN.
10:37:53AM BLOOMBERG, I AM DYING TO HEAR THAT ONE.
10:37:55AM NUMBER 11, TENANT ADVOCACY REPORT.
10:37:59AM I AM LISTENING TO THAT.
10:38:01AM BUT ALL THESE -- NUMBER 13 AND THE OTHER ONES REQUESTING
10:38:05AM ATTORNEYS TO REPRESENT THEM BY OUR TAX DOLLARS.
10:38:08AM I JUST AM NOT OKAY WITH THAT.
10:38:10AM I JUST DON'T THINK -- AND THEN -- I DO BELIEVE THE CITY
10:38:14AM COUNCIL SHOULD BE -- YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR ATTORNEYS, YOU
10:38:18AM KNOW, SEPARATE BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED TO COUNCILMAN
10:38:21AM DINGFELDER.
10:38:22AM I THINK NOT ALL THESE UNELECTED GROUPS NEED TO HAVE THEIR
10:38:26AM OWN ATTORNEYS PAID FOR BY YOURS TRULY.
10:38:29AM I WANT YOU TO PAY FOR MY ATTORNEY FOR ANYTHING I NEED.
10:38:31AM I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT.
10:38:33AM LET'S SEE.
10:38:35AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
10:38:36AM I SPOKE WITH A GUY ABOUT THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND HE USED
10:38:40AM TO WORK FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, SCIENTIST GUY, AND HE SAID
10:38:43AM THAT THE SPRAYING WE DO IN THE RIVER IT REALLY BAD FOR THE
10:38:49AM RIVER.
10:38:49AM HE SUGGEST THAT OTHER CITIES ARE ACTUALLY REMOVING THEIR
10:38:52AM DAMS, AS FAR AS THE MINIMUM FLOWS AND ALL THAT.
10:38:55AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS IS AN OPTIONS FOR DOING SOMETHING TO
10:38:58AM BETTER THAT.
10:38:59AM BUT APART RENTSLY THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT TO
10:39:02AM MY ATTENTION RECENTLY.
10:39:03AM ONE IS THAT WE ARE USING THE RIVER FOR HEAT IT SHALL WHAT IT
10:39:13AM CALLED, ENERGY THAT IS HEATING UP THE RIVER WAY TOO HOT FOR
10:39:16AM THE WILDLIFE AND THIS HEAT IS WHAT CAUSING THESE ALGAE
10:39:24AM BLOOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
10:39:25AM TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES I SPOKE WITH TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT
10:39:28AM THE WATER AND I WOULD LIKE THAT LOOKED INTO.
10:39:31AM I THINK THAT IS KIND OF IT AND THANK YOU.
10:39:32AM HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:39:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:39:38AM I SEE CARROLL ANN BENNETT IS ON THE LIST; HOWEVER, SHE IS IN
10:39:44AM THE AUDIENCE.
10:39:44AM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE?
10:39:46AM YES, I AM SORRY, MISS MATZ, ARE YOU THERE?
10:39:53AM >>CLERK: MISS MATZ, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:39:56AM >> THANK YOU, MY NAME IS MARY MATZ.
10:40:03AM AND I AM --[ INAUDIBLE ]
10:40:07AM -- MY EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND INCLUDES A MASTER IN SCIENCE
10:40:10AM AND INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE WITH A MINOR IS ENVIRONMENTAL
10:40:13AM SCIENCES.
10:40:14AM AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE PURE STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND A MEMBER
10:40:18AM OF THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB.
10:40:20AM AND I AM SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER 7.
10:40:23AM I SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS LAID OUT BY MR. FLANNERY IN
10:40:28AM THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU WILL SOON RECEIVE AND THAT IS
10:40:32AM SUPPORTED BY THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
10:40:34AM I ASK YOU TO MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION
10:40:39AM THAT INCLUDES RECOMMENDATIONS IN YOUR 2023 LEGISLATIVE
10:40:45AM PRIORITIES.
10:40:48AM GREAT POTENTIAL FOR SERIOUS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT THE
10:40:54AM STATUTE NOW READS.
10:40:55AM I WILL ADDRESS THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FLORIDA FLANNERY
10:41:00AM ON SENATE BILL 64.
10:41:02AM FIRST OF ALL, ESTUARIES PROVIDE A NURSERY AND HABITAT FOR
10:41:06AM IMPORTANT FISH AND SHELLFISH SPECIES.
10:41:11AM COMMON SENSE TO SEE THAT STOPPING THE DISCHARGE OF A LARGE
10:41:17AM AMOUNT OF WATER FLOW INTO TAMPA BAY THAT HAS BEEN OCCURRING
10:41:20AM FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO CRITICALLY HARM OUR ESTUARY SYSTEM.
10:41:23AM A DISTURBING PART OF SENATE BILL 64 IS THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN
10:41:28AM ADDRESS ESTUARINE BODIES OF WATER THAT ARE IMPACTED.
10:41:36AM NEW LEGISLATION MUST BE PROPOSED TO ADDRESS THESE MISSING
10:41:39AM ELEMENTS.
10:41:40AM ALSO ITEM TWO, WE LIVE IN FLORIDA.
10:41:44AM EXCUSE ME.
10:41:45AM ITEM 7, BUT ANOTHER POINT IS THAT WE LIVE IN FLORIDA AND WE
10:41:53AM ALL KNOW A LARGE FLUCTUATION OF RAINFALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR
10:41:57AM CREATING VARIATIONS IN OUR HYDROLOGIC MISSIONS.
10:42:00AM AS WELL, WE ALSO KNOW OUR WATER QUALITY FLUCTUATES DEPENDING
10:42:05AM ON MANY FACTORS BOTH INDUSTRY AND ENVIRONMENTAL WITH A
10:42:11AM AMOUNT OF YOU HAVE FLUENT TO BE REPURPOSED, AND CONDITIONS
10:42:15AM SUCH AS SUMMER RAINS BLESS THE MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER
10:42:21AM MAY OVERWHELMING A SURFACE WATER SYSTEM THAT ASSISTS THAT
10:42:26AM EXTRA WATER.
10:42:27AM IN COMMON SENSE TO ALLOW FOR VARIATIONS IN QUANTITY FEES OF
10:42:31AM EFFLUENT DISCHARGE TO BE REROUTED OR REUSED.
10:42:34AM AND I AM ASKING YOU TO PLEASE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT
10:42:38AM INCLUDES THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN YOUR 2023 LEGISLATIVE
10:42:44AM PRIORITIES.
10:42:44AM AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:42:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:42:47AM DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE ONLINE?
10:42:52AM THANK YOU, MISS SULING.
10:42:54AM MISS TRAVIS.
10:42:55AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: GOOD MORNING.
10:43:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
10:43:02AM WE WILL PULL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 41 FOR DISCUSSION AT YOUR
10:43:07AM REQUEST.
10:43:07AM IF.
10:43:13AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:43:14AM NICOLE TRAVIS, DEVELOPMENT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
10:43:19AM MY PLEASURE TO BRING DAVID INGRAM FOR CONFIRMATION AND A
10:43:24AM RESIDENCY OF OUR NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA
10:43:27AM CONVENTION CENTER.
10:43:28AM I ASK THAT YOU EXPEDITIOUSLY CONFIRM HIM SO HE DOESN'T RUN
10:43:34AM AWAY AFTER SITTING HERE THIS MORNING.
10:43:36AM SO DAVID SPENT MOST OF HIS -- HE IS A TAMPA NATIVE.
10:43:41AM HE WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL IN TAMPA.
10:43:42AM HE WENT TO USF.
10:43:44AM GO BULLS.
10:43:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO BULLS.
10:43:47AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: DAVID SPENT MOST OF HIS HOSPITALITY CAREER
10:43:51AM OVER AT THE ORLANDO CONVENTION CENTER AS RECENTLY AS GENERAL
10:43:56AM MANAGER ACTING -- I AM PROBABLY GOING TO BUTCHER IT -- I AM
10:44:00AM BUTCHERING IT.
10:44:01AM ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND WORKED HIS WAY UP TO DO GREAT
10:44:04AM THINGS AND WE ARE ECSTATIC HE IS HERE.
10:44:09AM HIS FIRST DAY IS ON MONDAY.
10:44:11AM COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE IT.
10:44:13AM SOME OF YOU HAVE MET WITH DAVID ALREADY AND SOME HAVE PUT
10:44:16AM CALENDAR APPOINTMENTS TO MEET WITH HIM IN THE FUTURE.
10:44:19AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE AND MR. INGRAM.
10:44:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. INGRAM, LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES
10:44:26AM AND SHARE YOUR WORDS.
10:44:27AM >> THAT THANK YOU FIRST AND FOR MOST FOR THIS
10:44:30AM RECOMMENDATION.
10:44:31AM GLAD TO BE BACK IN TAMPA SURROUNDED BY BLACK AND COLD FOR 20
10:44:35AM YEARS.
10:44:35AM GOOD TO BE BACK IN GREEN AND GOLD COUNTRY.
10:44:39AM I WANT TO THANK MY STAFF WHO IS HERE TODAY.
10:44:41AM THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WELCOMING ME.
10:44:43AM SUCH A GREAT EXPERIENCE COMING IN AND LOOKING FORWARD TO
10:44:45AM WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU.
10:44:46AM ANYTHING YOU NEED FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME ONCE I GET MY
10:44:50AM CELL PHONE AND EVERYTHING SETTLED, I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY
10:44:53AM TO TAKE CARE OF ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED.
10:44:56AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE.
10:44:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:45:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A PLEASURE TO MEET WITH YOU THE
10:45:03AM OTHER DAY.
10:45:03AM AND YOU HAVE VERY IMPRESSIVE BACKGROUND AND RESUME.
10:45:07AM I KNOW YOU WILL HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WITH THE EXPERIENCE
10:45:09AM YOU HAVE, THE PEOPLE YOU WORKED WITH AND FOR, AND IN THE
10:45:12AM DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
10:45:13AM SO WE ARE GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE.
10:45:15AM AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.
10:45:18AM >> APPRECIATE IT.
10:45:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:45:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WELCOME.
10:45:21AM WE ARE THRILLED TO HAVE YOU.
10:45:23AM CAN'T WAIT.
10:45:23AM WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME REN VIOLATIONS GOING ON.
10:45:27AM SO WE ARE EXCITED WHAT IS GOING.
10:45:28AM AND REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING FRESH EYES.
10:45:31AM AND I -- I AM SO GLAD YOUR TEAM WAS ABLE TO COME.
10:45:35AM THEY ALL LOOK VERY HAPPY.
10:45:36AM SO I -- CONGRATULATIONS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH
10:45:40AM YOU AND TALKING TO YOU ABOUT HOW YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE OUR
10:45:44AM WONDERFUL CONVENTION CENTER EVEN BETTER.
10:45:45AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:45:46AM IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM IN, I WOULDN'T BE SUCCESSFUL WITHOUT
10:45:50AM THE STAFF.
10:45:50AM REALLY ALL ON THEM.
10:45:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: EXACTLY.
10:45:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MIRANDA.
10:45:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU HAVE BEEN HERE AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES
10:45:57AM AND MORE IN THAT HOUR AND 45 MINUTES THAN ANYONE HERE CAN
10:46:00AM EVER PUT INTO YOUR HEAD.
10:46:02AM AND I KNOW YOU COME FROM A CONVENTION CENTER, ABOUT SIX
10:46:05AM TIMES LARGER THAN OURS, OVER MILLION.
10:46:08AM OURS IS 220,000 SQUARE FEET.
10:46:10AM BY EXPERIENCE, YOU ARE VERY SMART, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T
10:46:13AM MENTION WHICH HIGH SCHOOL.
10:46:14AM >> GAITHER HIGH SCHOOL.
10:46:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NEVER HEARD OF THEM.
10:46:20AM >> WHAT?
10:46:21AM OH!
10:46:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO FALCONS.
10:46:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND OF THAT.
10:46:25AM I AM ONLY JOKING WITH YOU.
10:46:26AM I COME FROM JULYJE AND -- YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
10:46:32AM SINCERITY.
10:46:34AM 20 YEARS, WE LOST ONE OF OUR SECOND OF COMMAND TO OUR
10:46:38AM CONVENTION CENTER TO YOUR CONVENTION CENTER.
10:46:41AM NOW OUR CONVENTION CENTER IS GETTING ONE OF YOURS, SO
10:46:45AM CONGRATULATIONS.
10:46:47AM >> JUST A QUICK STORY.
10:46:48AM ORANGE COUNTY, I HAD TO SIT THROUGH A THREE-HOUR PUBLIC
10:46:52AM COMMENT BEFORE THEY WENT TO CONSENT AGENDA.
10:46:54AM THIS WAS PRETTY EASY TODAY.
10:46:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HATE TO LIVE WHERE YOU CAME FROM.
10:46:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:47:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, YOU COME HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
10:47:04AM MISS TRAVIS IS EXCITED WITH YOU COMING HERE AND APPARENTLY
10:47:09AM YOU ALREADY HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, MY UNDERSTANDING.
10:47:12AM NORMALLY I LIKE TO MEET THE CANDIDATES BEFORE WE COME HERE,
10:47:15AM BUT MISS TRAVIS SAID THAT THEY CALLED MY OFFICE, BUT I
10:47:18AM DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GET BACK.
10:47:19AM I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT PERSONALLY HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOU
10:47:23AM AND I LIKE TO MEET THE CANDIDATES BEFORE I MAKE A VOTE.
10:47:26AM I TRUST MISS TRAVIS' RECOMMENDATION, WHEN I LOOK AT THE
10:47:30AM ORLANDO AREA, I SAY TAMPA IS GROWN AND WE ARE BEHIND IN
10:47:34AM TIMES WITH ORLANDO WITH THE THINGS THEY HAVE GOT GOING ON.
10:47:37AM BUT WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH UP.
10:47:39AM WITH YOUR EXPERTISE OF HAVING LARGE CONVENTIONS TO BRING A
10:47:44AM GREAT ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THAT AREA TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS
10:47:47AM GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
10:47:48AM EVERYONE GOES TO ORLANDO FOR CONVENTIONS.
10:47:51AM FINALLY GET MY -- MY FRATERNITY WILL BE THE NEXT ONE TO HAVE
10:47:56AM A BIG CONCLAVE AND SOME ARE RIGHT BEHIND US.
10:47:59AM WE ARE GLAD TO SEE WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND
10:48:02AM HOPEFULLY GET US TO THE TOP PINNACLE LIKE ORANGE COUNTY.
10:48:05AM >> AS LONG AS I HAVE YOUR SUPPORT, WE WILL MOVE THAT
10:48:09AM FORWARD.
10:48:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:48:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE ORLANDO
10:48:13AM CONVENTION CENTER.
10:48:14AM THE PROPERTY WAS RUN VERY WELL.
10:48:15AM I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET YOU.
10:48:17AM WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE CALENDAR AND TRYING TO SCHEDULE
10:48:23AM SOMETHING.
10:48:23AM I TRUST NICOLE'S JUDGMENT AND I HAVE SEEN YOUR BACKGROUND,
10:48:27AM IT IS VERY IMPRESSIVE.
10:48:28AM MY ONLY REQUEST THAT YOU HELP US BRING STAR WARS CELEBRATION
10:48:31AM -- PUT US IN ROTATION.
10:48:32AM I KNOW WE ARE TOO SMALL FOR IT, BUT THERE ARE -- THERE ARE
10:48:35AM OTHER VENUES WE CAN WORK WITH TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
10:48:38AM LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND GET THAT.
10:48:40AM >> I AM A BIG STAR WARS FAN AS WELL.
10:48:42AM I WORKED THAT SHOW TWICE WHEN IT WAS IN ORLANDO SO WE WILL
10:48:45AM SEE WHAT WE WILL DO.
10:48:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THAT A MOTION, I WILL SECOND.
10:48:49AM [LAUGHTER]
10:48:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CONGRATULATIONS.
10:48:52AM WHAT A TIME TO PROVE YOURSELF.
10:48:53AM YOU HAVE GOT RENOVATIONS AND REMODELS GOING ON.
10:48:57AM THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
10:48:58AM JUMP IN THE WATER.
10:48:59AM IT'S FINE.
10:49:00AM WELCOME ABOARD.
10:49:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 41.
10:49:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU WANT TO MOVE IT NOW?
10:49:08AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:49:10AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:49:11AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:49:13AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:49:15AM CONGRATULATIONS.
10:49:16AM >> THANK YOU.
10:49:17AM [APPLAUSE]
10:49:20AM >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WILL TAKE THE STAFF BACK.
10:49:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GET BACK TO WORK, WILL YOU.
10:49:25AM [LAUGHTER]
10:49:27AM THANK YOU.
10:49:27AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:49:29AM NEXT ITEM I HAVE FOR YOU -- THANK YOU, GUYS.
10:49:38AM THANK YOU.
10:49:40AM THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE FOR YOU IS A WALK-ON ITEM.
10:49:43AM I HAVE SPOKEN TO EACH OF YOU ABOUT THIS ITEM.
10:49:46AM THIS IS A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN BELMAR
10:49:55AM PARTNERS LLP AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:49:57AM WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE ASKING -- THIS PROPERTY HAS A
10:50:02AM HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON IT.
10:50:03AM IT IS A NATIONAL LANDMARK.
10:50:05AM IT IS NOT LOCALLY DESIGNATED.
10:50:08AM NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICTS HERE.
10:50:10AM BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, IN ORDER FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE
10:50:12AM REDEVELOPED, THERE HAS TO BE A NOTICING PERIOD FOR 30 DAYS
10:50:20AM THAT THE DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WILL TAKE
10:50:22AM PLACE AND THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE
10:50:26AM 100 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
10:50:27AM THIS CAME TO YOU BACK IN 2021 IN YOUR ACTION PLAN.
10:50:32AM IT RECENTLY CAME IN AN AGREEMENT SOME TIME OVER THE SUMMER.
10:50:36AM FOR YOU TO -- FOR THAT FUNDING AGREEMENT AND OUR
10:50:41AM PARTICIPATION IN THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
10:50:43AM SO I -- WE DON'T LIKE TO DO WALK-ONES UNLESS THEY ARE TIME
10:50:47AM SENSITIVE AND CONSIDERATION THAT THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING
10:50:51AM PROJECT AND THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING, WE FOUND OUT THE DATE
10:50:54AM OF THE CLOSING IN JANUARY.
10:50:55AM SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT CLOSING DATE, WE ARE RESPECTFULLY
10:50:59AM ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT SO
10:51:02AM WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS REDEVELOPMENT
10:51:05AM PROJECT.
10:51:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:51:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS TRAVIS.
10:51:10AM AS MUCH AS I HATE DEMOLISHING ANYTHING OF HISTORIC
10:51:14AM SIGNIFICANCE, I DRIVE BY THIS.
10:51:16AM THIS HAS -- THIS WILL NOT AFFECT MY DECISION.
10:51:19AM I DRIVE BY THIS EVERY DAY WHEN I TAKE MY STEPDAUGHTER TO
10:51:22AM SCHOOL.
10:51:22AM ONE OF THOSE MIDCENTURY STRUCTURES.
10:51:25AM I EVEN PHOTOGRAPHED IT AND PUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA OF ALL THE
10:51:29AM CHURCHES IN THE AREA.
10:51:29AM A HEAVILY POPULATED AREA; HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE --
10:51:35AM HOW THE -- THE STORY OF THE CHURCH, THE CONGREGATION, HOW
10:51:38AM LONG IT HAS BEEN OPERABLE, WHATEVER.
10:51:41AM BUT THE BRIGHT SIDE IS -- AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I AM ABOUT
10:51:46AM HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT THE BRIGHT SIDE IS 100 -- EVEN
10:51:50AM THOUGH WE NEED 10,000 OR MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS, THIS MOVES
10:51:53AM US FORWARD TOWARD THAT GOAL OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING
10:51:59AM IN AN AREA THAT IS VERY DESIRABLE.
10:52:01AM IN A GOOD PART OF TOWN.
10:52:03AM SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE TRADE-OFF HERE AS MUCH AS.
10:52:08AM AS I AM HESITANT AND I HATE TO SEE ANYTHING DEMOLISHED BUT
10:52:12AM FOR A GOOD PUBLIC PURPOSE.
10:52:15AM AND SEVERE NECESSITY THAT WE OBVIOUSLY NEED WITH AFFORDABLE
10:52:19AM HOUSING.
10:52:20AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: TO YOUR POINT, I AM A PRESERVATIONIST AT
10:52:23AM HEART.
10:52:24AM SO THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT HAS STIPULATIONS IN IT THAT
10:52:27AM REQUIRES BEFORE BELMAR IS ABLE TO DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY,
10:52:34AM THEY HAVE TO DOCUMENT, ARCHIVE, TAKE PICTURES.
10:52:37AM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION -- THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION
10:52:41AM OFFICE HAVE STRICT REQUIREMENTS IN DOCUMENTING HISTORICAL
10:52:45AM STRUCTURES.
10:52:45AM I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT SEVERAL TIMES ON OTHER PROJECTS,
10:52:48AM AND IT IS VERY DETAILED.
10:52:50AM YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC PHOTOGRAPHER TYPE OF -- TYPE OF
10:52:55AM CAMERA TO DOCUMENT THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH BEFORE IT IS
10:52:58AM ULTIMATELY DEMOLISHED.
10:53:00AM THAT IS OUTLINED -- THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE OUTLINED AND HAVE
10:53:05AM TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THEY CAN DEMO THE PROPERTY.
10:53:08AM THANK YOU.
10:53:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR HE IS QUESTIONS?
10:53:15AM >> MOTION.
10:53:17AM >> SECOND.
10:53:18AM >> POINT OF PROCEDURE, THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, COMMENTS
10:53:21AM FROM THE PUBLIC?
10:53:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT AND ASK YOUR
10:53:25AM QUESTION SO IT CAN BE HEARD FOR THE RECORD.
10:53:27AM MR. SHELBY.
10:53:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
10:53:31AM IF THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL IS GOING
10:53:34AM TO BE VOTING ON, THAT IS IS A WALK-ON.
10:53:37AM WAS IT ON THE ADDENDUM.
10:53:39AM IT WAS ON THE ADDENDUM, SO THE PUBLIC DID HAVE HAVE AN
10:53:43AM OPPORTUNITY -- WAS IT AVAILABLE?
10:53:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET HIM SPEAK.
10:53:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
10:53:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT
10:53:55AM CONCERNING THE WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM.
10:53:57AM >> BOB WHITMORE WITH CITY TREE.
10:54:02AM THIS FEELS LIKE THIS IS BEING SLIPPED UNDER THE DOOR A
10:54:05AM LITTLE BIT TO ME.
10:54:06AM I AM NOT AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
10:54:11AM BUT IT IS A HISTORIC PROPERTY, I ASSUME OR -- OR THERE MAY
10:54:17AM BE TREES ON THIS PROPERTY THAT MAY NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO
10:54:21AM CONSIDERATION.
10:54:22AM THERE IS AN AWFUL LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD
10:54:27AM HAVE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY JUST PRESS AHEAD AND SAY, NO, I
10:54:32AM DIDN'T LIKE THE LOOKS OF THAT, SO LET'S TAKE IT DOWN.
10:54:34AM IF THIS DEEMS TO BE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME
10:54:38AM INSIDE AND ARCHIVE IT FOR HISTORY, PERHAPS THERE IS SOME
10:54:43AM HISTORY THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED BY KEEPING THIS BUILDING
10:54:46AM OR CONSIDERING -- AT LEAST PUT INTO CONSIDERATION SO WE --
10:54:52AM SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GIVE IT SOME REAL GOOD THOUGHT AND SOME
10:54:56AM PUBLIC SCRUTINY.
10:54:58AM THAT IS ALL I ASK.
10:54:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS TRAVIS.
10:55:02AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES, COUNCIL.
10:55:04AM THANK YOU.
10:55:05AM I AM GOING TO PUT ON THE ELMO AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
10:55:09AM JUST FOR COUNCIL'S AWARENESS, THE DEVELOPMENT -- THE
10:55:13AM AGREEMENT TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED
10:55:17AM BY COUNCIL.
10:55:18AM THIS IS SIMPLY THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRES THE
10:55:24AM DEVELOPER TO TAKE PICTURES OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE PRIOR
10:55:29AM TO THE DEMOLITION.
10:55:30AM IT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
10:55:34AM IN YOUR ACTION PLAN, YOU HAVE APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT
10:55:36AM AGREEMENT ALREADY.
10:55:37AM THIS IS JUST A PROCEDURAL OF THE DOCUMENTATION AS WE DON'T
10:55:42AM WANT TO JUST -- THE STATE IS ASKING US TO DO THIS, TO
10:55:47AM DOCUMENT THE BUILDING OTHERWISE THE BUILDING WILL BE
10:55:49AM DEMOLISHED WITHOUT ANY PHOTOGRAPH.
10:55:52AM SO THERE IS NO SLIPPING ANYTHING THROUGH.
10:55:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:56:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:56:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
10:56:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
10:56:07AM THERE IS STILL A MOTION.
10:56:08AM MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:56:11AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:56:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO MIRANDA MADE IT.
10:56:16AM I SECONDED IT.
10:56:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BEFORE WE DO THAT.
10:56:19AM ALL THIS COMES -- ALL THE THINGS ABOUT TREES COME BEFORE YOU
10:56:22AM -- BEFORE YOU BUILD YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN.
10:56:25AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THAT'S CORRECT.
10:56:26AM YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN.
10:56:28AM A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
10:56:30AM IF THERE WERE -- IF -- ONCE THE DEVELOPER IS READY TO MOVE
10:56:34AM FORWARD, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN AND ALL OF
10:56:38AM THAT WILL BE MITIGATED IF THAT IS THE CASE.
10:56:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:56:44AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:56:45AM THANK YOU, MISS TRAVIS.
10:56:46AM DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF ALL THE WALK-ONES AND THE PULLED?
10:56:52AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
10:56:52AM I HAVE ONE NOTE, WHEN YOU GUYS APPROVED THE AGENDA, ITEM
10:56:56AM NUMBER 39 HAS A CONTINUANCE ON IT AND RELATED TO THE CRA
10:57:00AM THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF.
10:57:02AM 39.
10:57:04AM BECAUSE OUR NOVEMBER MEETING WAS CANCELLED.
10:57:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ASK TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL DECEMBER 15.
10:57:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
10:57:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
10:57:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
10:57:17AM BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:57:18AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:57:21AM ANY OPPOSED.
10:57:22AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I SAW A FACE OF CONFUSION BECAUSE
10:57:26AM PROCEDURALLY IT HAS TO GO TO THE CRA FIRST.
10:57:28AM THANK YOU FOR THE INDULGENCE.
10:57:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA
10:57:34AM IS WITH US IN PERSON NOW.
10:57:35AM BECAUSE I KNOW HE WAS LISTENING ON HIS PHONE.
10:57:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: ALWAYS.
10:57:38AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.
10:57:40AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, ADRIANA COLINA
10:57:55AM DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSETS MANAGEMENT.
10:58:08AM TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT WITH MANCON OF OUR FLEET DIVISION.
10:58:13AM I PROVIDED YOU WITH A DETAILED MEMO OF OUR REQUEST AND
10:58:17AM SPOKEN TO EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
10:58:18AM BUT I WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE TO YOU TODAY TO ANSWER
10:58:22AM ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
10:58:23AM SIMPLY PUT, IT IS EXTENDING THE CONTRACT.
10:58:25AM A CONTRACT THAT ORIGINATED IN 2014.
10:58:27AM IT WAS A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT WITH FIVE ALLOWABLE ONE-YEAR
10:58:31AM EXTENSIONS.
10:58:32AM I AM ASKING FOR YOU TODAY TO APPROVE THE SECOND TO THE LAST
10:58:36AM EXTENSION AND ALSO ASKING FOR AN ALLOWABLE 8.5% CIP INCREASE
10:58:41AM WHICH IS ALLOWED IN THE CONTRACT AND RIGHT SIZE IT TO ADD
10:58:44AM ONE CUSTOMER SERVICE PERSON IN OUR FLEET, MAINTENANCE AREA
10:58:50AM THAT SERVICES OUR FIRE TEAM.
10:58:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
10:58:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
10:58:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
10:59:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:59:02AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:59:03AM ALL IN FAVOR.
10:59:04AM ANY OPPOSED.
10:59:05AM THANK YOU.
10:59:06AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: THANK YOU, ALL.
10:59:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:59:16AM >>BRAD BAIRD: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:59:19AM BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:59:21AM HERE TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR FOUR CONTRACTS ASSOCIATEDED
10:59:24AM WITH CITYWIDE HYDRANT AND VALVE INSTALLATION AND REPLACEMENT
10:59:30AM TO THE TUNE OF $6.5 MILLION EACH FOR A TOTAL OF $26 MILLION.
10:59:39AM I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN GUDES ASKING ME TO SPEAK
10:59:43AM BRIEFLY ON THIS, BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION
10:59:49AM HAS PUT A FOCUS ON DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND THE
10:59:57AM ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON INCREASING EBO
11:00:02AM PARTICIPATION.
11:00:02AM AND THIS CONTRACT SHOWS THE FRUITS OF OUR LABOR.
11:00:05AM WE HAVE AS MUCH AS 26.1 PARTICIPATION ON ONE OF THE
11:00:11AM CONTRACTS AND THE OTHER CONTRACTS ARE VERY -- HAVE VERY GOOD
11:00:16AM PARTICIPATION AS WELL.
11:00:16AM SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT ON IT.
11:00:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:00:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST, THANK YOU.
11:00:24AM AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THIS AND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ARE JUST
11:00:28AM DISCUSSING.
11:00:28AM I AM GLAD COUNCILMAN GUDES BROUGHT THIS UP, BECAUSE THIS --
11:00:33AM THIS IS EQUITY.
11:00:34AM A HAND-UP IN THE COMMUNITY AND LIFTING PEOPLE UP BECAUSE --
11:00:38AM IS THIS PART OF PEER -- PIPES.
11:00:41AM NOT THE -- NOT THE 2016 STORMWATER, BUT MULTI BILLION DOLLAR
11:00:47AM PROGRAM.
11:00:48AM THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO GO AROUND TO HELP BENEFIT
11:00:52AM MINORITY GROUPS, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND A PERFECT
11:00:56AM EXAMPLE.
11:00:56AM AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST BECAUSE YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP
11:00:59AM CONTRACT AFTER CONTRACT WITH INCREASED AND IMPRESSIVE
11:01:04AM MINORITY PARTICIPATION NUMBERS.
11:01:06AM SO WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
11:01:08AM THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS
11:01:12AM BROUGHT UP BY THE COUNCIL.
11:01:13AM AND THESE ARE THE RESULTS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE.
11:01:15AM SO THANK YOU, SIR.
11:01:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:01:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO ECHO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S
11:01:23AM CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS.
11:01:24AM BUT I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE USING
11:01:28AM FOUR.
11:01:29AM WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BRIEFING, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU
11:01:33AM DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD GET THIS MANY PEOPLE
11:01:35AM PARTICIPATING, BUT I LOVE IT.
11:01:36AM BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE
11:01:41AM OF THE NIGHT, WE HAVE NOT JUST ONE PERSON TO CALL BUT FOUR
11:01:45AM DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
11:01:46AM I THINK THAT IS REALLY WONDERFUL.
11:01:50AM YOU WORKED WITH ALL FOUR OF THOSE BEFORE SO WE ALREADY KNOW
11:01:53AM THE QUALITY OF THE WORK.
11:01:54AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR NOT ONLY INCLUDING OR GETTING
11:01:59AM GREAT EBO NUMBERS BUT INCLUDING MORE ORGANIZATIONS IN THIS.
11:02:04AM I THINK THAT IS A REALLY EXCITING WAY TO GO FORWARD AND I
11:02:07AM WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.
11:02:09AM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
11:02:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:02:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BRAD, WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
11:02:15AM WE ARE WATCHING UP.
11:02:17AM I WAS INVITED TO A GALA LAST NIGHT OF DIVERSITY AND
11:02:21AM INCLUSION OF CONTRACTORS AND DEVELOPERS.
11:02:23AM THEY INVITED ME TO THIS GALA LAST NIGHT AT THE ITALIAN CLUB,
11:02:28AM ACTUALLY.
11:02:28AM AND I DON'T KNOW WHY HILLSBOROUGH WASN'T THERE, BUT ORANGE
11:02:34AM COUNTY CAME HERE.
11:02:34AM SOME OF THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
11:02:36AM SOME OF THEIR CONTRACTORS.
11:02:37AM THEIR EBO OFFICE, OSCEOLA, PINELLAS.
11:02:43AM AS THEY WERE DOING THEIR SCHEMATIC AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT
11:02:48AM THEY WERE DOING, I MEAN, WE ARE CATCHING UP TO THEM, BUT
11:02:51AM STILL A LITTLE BIT BEHIND AND I AM GLAD THAT WE ARE MOVING.
11:02:53AM BUT I CAN TELL YOU ORANGE COUNTY, THEY HAVE THE BEST PLAN I
11:03:03AM HAVE EVER SEEN AND I WAS GOING TO TALK TO OCEA ABOUT THAT.
11:03:07AM MISS HURTAK WAS SAYING, THEY COMBINE A LOT OF DIFFERENT
11:03:11AM AGENCIES TO GET IT DONE.
11:03:12AM THEY COMBINE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES TO GET IT DONE AND
11:03:15AM GET THOSE NUMBERS AND THEY DON'T -- AND -- ONCE ALL THE
11:03:19AM VERBIAGE, NOT THAT GOOD FAITH.
11:03:22AM IT IS SHALL.
11:03:23AM NOT GOOD FAITH.
11:03:24AM IT IS SHALL.
11:03:25AM AND PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THEY GO TO PUT IN THAT BID, THEY MAKE
11:03:29AM SURE THAT THEY HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO DO IT.
11:03:32AM AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT, THEY HAVE TRAINED TO MAKE SURE
11:03:35AM FOLKS -- I TALKED ABOUT IT, SOMETIMES SMALLER BUSINESSES,
11:03:38AM THEY DON'T KNOW THE LINGO AND LANGUAGE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T
11:03:41AM HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE BIG-TIME ATTORNEYS AND GET LEFT OFF
11:03:45AM ALL THE TIME.
11:03:45AM A TRAINING PROGRAM TO HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES COME IN TO LEARN
11:03:49AM HOW TO DO THE CONTRACTS, THE REMEMBER BADGE, THE LANGUAGE,
11:03:52AM HOW TO GET A PROCUREMENTS, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS.
11:03:54AM THE BIGGEST THING THEY TALKED ABOUT AND I HAVE SAID THIS
11:03:57AM SINCE DAY ONE, SOMETIMES A CHALLENGE AND HAVE BEEN WORKING
11:04:00AM ON THAT AND A FEW OTHER COUNTIES WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS,
11:04:03AM THE BOND ISSUE.
11:04:03AM BECAUSE THE SMALL GUY CAN'T GET THE NICE BIG JOB BECAUSE HE
11:04:07AM CAN'T GET THE BOND.
11:04:08AM HE DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPITAL.
11:04:11AM SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM GOING TO PREACH FOR US TO
11:04:14AM WORK ON.
11:04:14AM HOW CAN WE FINDS A PROGRAM.
11:04:17AM I KNOW MR. MIRANDA HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS -- TO DEAL WITH
11:04:20AM THAT SO WE CAN BE ABLE TO HELP THE SMALLER GUYS AND HAVE A
11:04:23AM MULTITUDE OF THOSE FOLKS TO GET WHAT I CALL NOT BE HUNGRY
11:04:28AM AND THIS VISIT AT THE TABLE.
11:04:29AM I AM GRATEFUL TO PUT THIS FOOT FORWARD AND I AM GLAD OF THE
11:04:34AM NUMBERS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THE COMMUNITY IS HAPPY AND BY
11:04:36AM THE WAY, GENTLEMEN -- I DID GO BY -- I WAS INVITED TO THE
11:04:42AM HANNA PROJECT.
11:04:43AM I THINK ALL OF YOU WILL TAKE A TOUR OUT THERE.
11:04:46AM WE HAD A LOT OF CONTROVERSY.
11:04:48AM I KNOW SOME THINGS WASN'T DONE THE WAY THE WAY THIS BOARD
11:04:52AM THINKS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
11:04:54AM THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS, BUT I THINK THE COMPANY IS
11:04:57AM UNDERSTANDING AND TRYING TO GET THERE TO WHAT THIS COUNCIL
11:05:00AM WANTS.
11:05:00AM I SAW A LOT OF HBCU GRADUATES OUT THERE WORK ON THIS PROJECT
11:05:05AM IN MAJOR POSITIONS.
11:05:06AM AND I WAS IMPRESSED UPON THAT -- I AM A COOKMAN GUY, BUT A
11:05:16AM LOT OF HBCU WORKERS DOING -- WHAT I CALL WORK THAT I CAN'T
11:05:21AM DO, THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE EXPERTISE TO DO.
11:05:23AM I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT COMPANY, DPR, IS HEARING AND GOT --
11:05:28AM AND HAVE SOME OF THOSE GUYS ON -- AFFORDABLE PROJECTS OUT
11:05:31AM THERE.
11:05:32AM TO SEE HOW IT IS BEING DEVELOPED AND TO COME BACK IN THE
11:05:37AM BACK END.
11:05:37AM MANCON.
11:05:39AM AND A WHOLE MINORITY FIRM.
11:05:41AM I'M HAPPY ABOUT THAT AND GLAD THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS
11:05:44AM LISTENING AND WE NEED TO KEEP MOVING AND SEE WHAT OTHER
11:05:48AM PEOPLE ARE DOING SO MATCH EVERYBODY ELSE.
11:05:50AM AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORTS.
11:05:53AM >> THANK YOU.
11:05:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:05:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AID COUPLE OF CALLS OF ONE OF THE
11:06:00AM DEVELOPERS HAVING COFFEE AT WEST TAMPA SANDWICH SHOP AND
11:06:04AM LOOKING AT THE WORK BEING DONE.
11:06:06AM TO THEIR SURPRISE, WHOEVER IS THERE COME HERE, I WANT TO
11:06:10AM SHOW YOU, HOW THE PIPE GOES IN INCH AT A TIME THROUGH THE
11:06:13AM OTHER PIPE AND THEY WERE AMAZED THEY GOT A 20 TO 30-MINUTE
11:06:17AM SESSION LEARNING AND SEEING HOW A PIPE PUTTING A PIPE INSIDE
11:06:20AM A PIPE.
11:06:20AM AND THEY WERE JUST -- AT AWE THAT THESE THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
11:06:24AM I SAID THAT IS TECHNOLOGY, BABY.
11:06:26AM THAT'S ALL THAT IS.
11:06:27AM I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.
11:06:28AM AND WHOEVER THE DEVELOPER WAS, COME THANK YOU ON BEHALF THE
11:06:32AM CITIZENS OF WEST TAMPA HAD THE TIME SHOW THEM WHAT THEY ARE
11:06:37AM DOING AND HOW THEY DO IT.
11:06:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:06:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A QUESTION TO COUNCILMAN GUDES BECAUSE
11:06:42AM WE CAN'T TALK PRIVATELY.
11:06:43AM YOU WENT TO THE HANNA PROJECT.
11:06:45AM WHAT DID YOU NOTICE WITH REGARDS TO -- WE HAVE THE
11:06:47AM APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE AND WHATNOT.
11:06:50AM WHAT DID YOU NOTICE AS FAR AS THE PARTICIPATION THERE.
11:06:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T GO TOO FAR THERE.
11:06:58AM THEY HAD FOLKS OUT THERE.
11:07:00AM I KNOW WE ARE WITH THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, GRATEFUL FOR
11:07:04AM THAT.
11:07:04AM I SEE GUYS WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND I WANT PEOPLE TO COME
11:07:09AM TO APPLY TO WORK.
11:07:10AM GET THEM ON THE SITE AND GET THEM WORKING AND THEN BE ABLE
11:07:13AM TO BE A PART OF THE STATE CERTIFICATION AND THOSE TYPE OF
11:07:17AM THINGS.
11:07:17AM I DON'T WANT A GUY WHO IS HUNGRY TO WAIT TO FIND A WAY TO
11:07:20AM GET CERTIFIED.
11:07:21AM IF WE GOT PEOPLE WHO NEED TO WORK, LET THEM WORK AND PUT
11:07:24AM THEM IN AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM SO THAT WAY THEY CAN FEED
11:07:28AM THEIR FAMILIES AND I AM IMPRESSED SO THEY ARE STARTING TO
11:07:31AM GET FOLKS -- AND I TOLD THEM -- I DON'T KNOW THE CITY
11:07:34AM PORTION OR WHATEVER, BUT I TOLD THEM THAT PEOPLE ARE VISUAL
11:07:37AM LEARNERS SOMETIMES.
11:07:38AM WHEN THEY SEE THINGS, THEY BELIEVE THINGS.
11:07:40AM I TOLD THEM THEY NEED TO FILM THE PROJECT.
11:07:44AM FILM SOME OF THE HBCU GUYS DRAWING UP THE PLANS, DRAWING UP
11:07:50AM THE STUFF.
11:07:50AM SHOW PEOPLE WHO ARE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, STRATEGISTS,
11:07:54AM WHATEVER THEY CALL THEM, THAT THEY HAVE THE COMPUTERS AND
11:07:56AM WORKING.
11:07:56AM THEY ARE ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT THAT PART IS SUPPOSED TO
11:07:59AM FIT WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
11:08:01AM I WAS AMAZED WHAT I SAW.
11:08:03AM AND FILM THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM THAT COMMUNITY ON THE
11:08:08AM PROJECT WORKING.
11:08:08AM WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THAT TO SHOW WHAT IS HAPPENING AND A
11:08:11AM LOT OF THE SCUTTLE BUTT GOING ON.
11:08:20AM AND THE FACES TO SAY I KNOW HIM I TAUGHT HIM AT SCHOOL.
11:08:25AM WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND HE IS WORKING ON THE BIG
11:08:27AM PROJECT.
11:08:27AM WE CAN'T BE AFRAID TO SHOW THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND WE HAD
11:08:31AM NEED TO HAVE CCTV OUT THERE SHOWING THAT YOU HAVE ALL TYPES
11:08:37AM OF MINORITIES WORK ON THIS PROJECT AND WE ARE STARTING TO
11:08:39AM GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY AND A PIECE OF THE PIE.
11:08:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:08:45AM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:08:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:08:48AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:08:49AM ALL IN FAVOR.
11:08:50AM ANY OPPOSED.
11:08:52AM THANK YOU.
11:08:53AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:08:55AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR OF
11:09:13AM INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
11:09:13AM VIK BHIDE IS ON THE LINE AND A QUARTERLY REPORT THAT
11:09:17AM GENERALLY DOESN'T HAVE DISCUSSION.
11:09:19AM WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION.
11:09:20AM BASICALLY A SUMMARY OF ACTIVE STORMWATER PROJECTS BEING DONE
11:09:25AM THAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO
11:09:33AM APPROVED IN 2015.
11:09:34AM [INAUDIBLE]
11:09:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. VIK BHIDE, ARE YOU THERE?
11:09:43AM >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:09:45AM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
11:09:49AM SORRY ABOUT THAT.
11:09:54AM I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT
11:09:59AM ITEM 5, A MEMO WITH THE QUARTERLY REPORT WAS SUBMITTED TO
11:10:04AM COUNCIL FOR REVIEW, AS WAS REQUIRED BY A MOTION A FEW YEARS
11:10:11AM BACK.
11:10:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:10:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING, VIK.
11:10:17AM THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE -- I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO FIX A
11:10:21AM PROBLEM THAT THERE IS.
11:10:22AM WHEN WE GO OUT AND TEAR UP THESE ROADS AND GO TO PUT THEM
11:10:26AM BACK, CAN WE MAKE SURE THE ROAD IS DRIVABLE?
11:10:29AM BECAUSE I CALLED YOU -- I WANTED TO FILE A LAWSUIT SAYING
11:10:32AM YOU FOR MY CADILLAC AND I RODE DOWN THAT FLORIDA AVENUE --
11:10:36AM AND I ALMOST FOR THE CAR UP.
11:10:38AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS, BUT
11:10:41AM I DO HAVE A PROBLEM.
11:10:42AM WE GO AND TEAR UP A ROAD.
11:10:44AM AND WE DON'T FIX THE ROAD.
11:10:46AM I MEAN, WE JUST DO A -- A PATCH-UP JOB OF A ROAD.
11:10:50AM I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
11:10:52AM SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE
11:10:56AM DOLLARS AND CENTS WHEN YOU TEAR UP THE ROAD THAT THE ROAD IS
11:11:00AM DRIVABLE SO PEOPLE DON'T TEAR THEIR CARS UP.
11:11:02AM A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND ANY TIME WE GO DOWN THESE PLACES AND
11:11:05AM GO AND DO GREAT WORK ON THE UNDERGROUND, BUT THE TOP LAYER
11:11:11AM -- I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
11:11:12AM I THINK WE -- WE GOT TO ADDRESS THAT.
11:11:15AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROAD IS PROPERLY PAVED AND
11:11:20AM DONE RIGHT.
11:11:21AM HAS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT, BUT I AM JUST SORRY, WE
11:11:24AM HAVE TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.
11:11:26AM >>VIK BHIDE: COUNCILMAN, I UNDERSTAND AND I REMEMBER THE
11:11:29AM CONCERN YOU HAD CITED ON FLORIDA AVENUE REGARDING THAT.
11:11:32AM THE CHALLENGE THERE WAS THAT WITH -- SO FIRST TO CLARIFY,
11:11:39AM WITH EVERY STORMWATER PROJECT, IF WE DO TEAR UP A ROAD, IT
11:11:44AM IS IN THE SCOPE TO PUT IT BACK AND RESURFACE IT.
11:11:47AM USUALLY THE ROAD IS OPENED UP FOR LAYING PIPE AND SO ON,
11:11:53AM WHICH WAS THE CASE ON FLORIDA.
11:11:55AM SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL WORK THAT
11:11:58AM NEEDS TO BE DONE.
11:12:00AM AND SO WE DON'T COMPLETELY REPAVE OR RESURFACE THE STREET
11:12:05AM UNTIL ALL THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE PAVEMENT IS
11:12:08AM DONE.
11:12:08AM BUT WE WILL BE MINDFUL OF YOUR CONCERN.
11:12:12AM AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT I WORK WITH BOTH OUR PROJECT'S
11:12:17AM TEAM AND CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
11:12:20AM ROADWAY SURFACE, EVEN IF IT IS INTERIM, IS SAFE AND GOOD TO
11:12:26AM DRIVE.
11:12:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: EVEN THE NONARTERIALS, I MEAN -- I THINK --
11:12:32AM I MEAN, TO ME, THAT CREATES HAZARDS FOR PEOPLE WITH BUMPS
11:12:37AM AND GOUGES.
11:12:38AM IT NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY DONE REGARDLESS IF YOU HAVE TO COME
11:12:41AM BACK.
11:12:41AM LET'S MAKE SURE AT LEAST WE HAVE A SMOOTH SURFACE, YOU MAY
11:12:46AM NOT GET ALL THE LAYERS SO PEOPLE CAN DRIVE ON THE CAR AND
11:12:49AM DON'T HAVE AN ACCIDENT.
11:12:50AM I CAN TELL YOU I WAS ON THE ROAD -- I CALLED YOU RIGHT AWAY.
11:12:53AM I SAID THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
11:12:55AM BUT THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST ADDRESS IT.
11:12:57AM >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR.
11:12:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:13:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:13:01AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, WE ARE IN RIGHT OF THE COMPLAINT OF THE
11:13:04AM ROAD.
11:13:04AM YOU ARE NOT -- YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON.
11:13:07AM A GENTLEMAN -- A GENTLEMAN NAMED NEAL SENT SOME PHOTOS A
11:13:11AM COUPLE OF HOURS AGO.
11:13:12AM AND MY AID WAS ALREADY GOING TO CONTACT THE CONTRACTOR AND
11:13:16AM REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY.
11:13:17AM I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:13:19AM RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BAKERY.
11:13:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAN.
11:13:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND OUR OFFICE
11:13:25AM REACHED OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR.
11:13:26AM BUT AS MR. BHIDE SAID, THEY DID THE ROAD WORK, THEY PAVED
11:13:32AM HOW THEY PAVED IT IN ORDER TO OPEN THE ROAD BUT ONCE IT IS
11:13:35AM COMPLETE, IT WILL BE FIXED.
11:13:37AM THIS HAPPENED ON HIMES AND THE INTERSTATE NEAR THE MIDTOWN
11:13:41AM PROJECT WHERE WE -- THE CITY CAME AND REDID HIMES.
11:13:44AM BEAUTIFULLY PAVED AND HAD TO TEAR PARTS OF THE ROAD AND IT
11:13:48AM WAS LIKE A TEMPORARY FIX.
11:13:49AM IT WAS AWFUL.
11:13:51AM COULD YOU SEE THE PATCHES IN THE ROAD AND THEY CAME OVER AND
11:13:54AM DID IT RIGHT.
11:13:54AM IF YOU GO THERE NOW, IT IS SMOOTH.
11:13:56AM BUT A SIMILAR SITUATION LIKE FLORIDA AVENUE.
11:13:58AM AGAIN, MY AID WAS REACHING OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR A LITTLE
11:14:02AM WHILE AGO TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
11:14:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:14:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OTHER THING.
11:14:07AM I TALKED TO VIK ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT, BUT AS WE ARE DOING
11:14:14AM THESE PROJECTS AND THE IDEA OF PUTTING STORMWATER AND
11:14:18AM TRANSPORTATION UNDER VIK TO HAVE COORDINATION AND ALL OF
11:14:21AM THAT INCLUDING POTABLE WATER IS UNDER JEAN.
11:14:24AM LAST NIGHT, WE HAD ANOTHER KIND OF CARMAGEDDON SOUTH OF
11:14:30AM GANDY WHERE THREE ROADS WERE CLOSED AT THE SAME TIME AND
11:14:32AM MAYBE TWO OF THEM BY THE CITY AND ANOTHER BY ANOTHER PARTY.
11:14:35AM BUT THE OTHER THING -- WITHOUT GETTING SPECIFICS OF THIS, I
11:14:40AM GOT A LOT OF E-MAILS AND CALLS AND ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO TRY
11:14:44AM TO HELP PLAN WITH OTHER AGENCIES THE IMPACT ON THE -- THE
11:14:49AM RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY IF -- IF -- DURING RUSH HOUR AND IF
11:14:54AM MULTIPLE ROADS ARE BEING TAKEN OUT.
11:14:56AM I KNOW VIK IS WORKING HARD TO CORRECT THIS SPECIFIC PROBLEM
11:15:00AM BUT ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO AVOID THAT BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS
11:15:03AM ALREADY BAD ENOUGH.
11:15:03AM AND WE FIGURED OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT THE WHOLE CITY
11:15:08AM OF TAMPA IS IN A TRANSPORTATION CONCUR KEN SEE EXCEPTION
11:15:12AM AREA AND WE ARE AT RISK EVERYWHERE IF WE START SHUTTING DOWN
11:15:17AM ROADS.
11:15:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE.
11:15:20AM >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
11:15:22AM CHAIR, IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
11:15:24AM COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THAT.
11:15:27AM WE ARE ENSURING THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN TODAY.
11:15:30AM YESTERDAY'S OCCURRENCE WAS REGRETFUL.
11:15:34AM WE HAD PERMITTED THE CONSTRUCTION TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE
11:15:41AM RUSH HOUR.
11:15:41AM I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT.
11:15:43AM WE DID ANTICIPATE THE NEED OF TRAFFIC FLOW DURING RUSH HOUR
11:15:50AM LIKELY BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER THAT EVENING, SOME OF THAT
11:15:52AM WORK MAY HAVE BEEN DELAYED, BUT GOING FORWARD, WE ARE
11:15:56AM COGNIZANT ANY GIVEN TIME WITH 400 WORK ZONES WITHIN THE CITY
11:16:04AM AND INVESTING IN A MORE PLATFORM.
11:16:09AM AND TWO-WAY INFORMATION TO IN REALTIME MANAGE WHAT IS GOING
11:16:13AM ON IN THE STREET RATHER THAN HAVING TO DEPEND ON A WHOLE LOT
11:16:18AM OF TECHNICIANS DRIVING AROUND THE CITY.
11:16:20AM HAVING SAID THAT WE ARE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF
11:16:25AM TECHNICIANS.
11:16:26AM WE ARE AWARE OF THE CHALLENGE AND GROWING RAPIDLY AND DOING
11:16:29AM WHAT WE CAN TO ADDRESS IT.
11:16:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BHIDE.
11:16:33AM WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT REPORT ON MARCH 16, 2023.
11:16:38AM >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU.
11:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:16:40AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
11:16:53AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CHAIR.
11:16:55AM CHUCK WEBBER, WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
11:16:58AM I THINK BRAD BAIRD JUST HANDED OUT THE DOCUMENTATION THAT
11:17:01AM WAS REQUESTED EARLIER.
11:17:02AM IT IS JUST ONE PAGE FRONT AND BACK COMMUNICATION.
11:17:07AM I WOULD LIKE TO START BY ADDRESSING SOME OF THE COMMENTS
11:17:10AM MADE EARLIER JUST TO POINT OUT SOME CLARIFICATIONS THE CITY
11:17:17AM IS NOT PROPOSING A $6 BILLION PROJECT.
11:17:20AM AS IT STANDS TODAY NO PROJECT TO VOTE NO ON OR YES, SIR.
11:17:24AM THERE IS NO PROPOSED TWO TO THREE TIMES PERCENT RATE
11:17:28AM INCREASE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ADDRESSING.
11:17:37AM SOME OF THE COMMENTS OF PUBLIC OUTREACH WE NEED TO RESPOND
11:17:40AM TO.
11:17:40AM WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THOSE 17 QUESTIONS YET.
11:17:43AM AND THOUGH I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT HAS BEEN
11:17:46AM DONE REGARDING THE PROJECT, THE FACTS HAVE NOT BEEN FROM
11:17:53AM THOSE 17 QUESTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN DELIVERED TO THE PUBLIC AND
11:17:55AM WE NEED TO DO THAT AND THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE
11:17:58AM PROJECT.
11:18:00AM THOSE QUESTIONS INVOLVE SAFETY AND COST OF THE PROJECT AND
11:18:05AM WE NEED TO GO OUT TO AND GIVE THAT INFORMATION.
11:18:07AM THE REASON WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THAT INFORMATION SO FAR, BECAUSE
11:18:12AM WHEN THE CURRENT SCOPE OF THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CONSULTANT
11:18:15AM WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY, THE SCOPE THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE
11:18:18AM FEBRUARY BOARD WAS TO EVALUATE TWO ALTERNATIVES, COUNCIL,
11:18:22AM WHEN THEY APPROVED THAT ASKED US TO REVIEW ALL THE
11:18:27AM ALTERNATIVES OF THE REPORT WHICH WERE MORE LIKE FIVE.
11:18:30AM WHEN WE WENT BACK TO REDO THE SCOPE SO WE COULD ADDRESS FIVE
11:18:34AM OF THOSE OPTIONS INSTEAD OF TWO, WE CAME BACK IN JULY AND
11:18:38AM THIS IS WHEN COUNCIL CONTINUED UNTIL DECEMBER AND CONTINUED
11:18:46AM FOR THE SCOPE.
11:18:47AM THAT IS WHY PUBLIC OUTREACH IS NOT DONE AT THE LEVEL WE DO.
11:18:51AM WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED ON THE 17 QUESTIONS.
11:18:53AM BUT HOPE.
11:18:54AM WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP SCHEDULED IN JANUARY OF STAKEHOLDERS
11:18:59AM AND FEBRUARY WITH COUNCIL.
11:19:02AM WHERE WE WILL ADDRESS THE 17 QUESTIONS AND ADDRESS QUESTIONS
11:19:05AM LIKE COST AND QUESTIONS LIKE SAFETY AND SO DURING THE
11:19:10AM CONVERSATION I AM HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN RESOLVE SOME OF THOSE
11:19:14AM QUESTIONS.
11:19:15AM THERE WAS A CHALLENGE WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE
11:19:18AM EXTENSIVE ENGINEERING WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE SOME OF
11:19:22AM THEM CAN BE ANSWERED DIRECTLY LIKE EXACTLY HOW MUCH IS THIS
11:19:25AM GOING TO COST.
11:19:26AM IS THIS GOING TO COST A FEW MILLION OR 100 MILLION.
11:19:30AM THE LIFE CYCLE COST.
11:19:31AM WE ARE NOT ABLE TO NAIL AT THAT DOWN UNTIL WE DO ENGINEERING
11:19:35AM WORK, AND WHEN WE DO THAT WE NEED FUNDING.
11:19:37AM WE DO THE WORKSHOPS IN JANUARY, WE WILL FOCUS ON HERE IS THE
11:19:41AM NEED FOR THE PROJECT.
11:19:42AM THE ONE NEED WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY A LOT IS THE
11:19:46AM -- YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 64.
11:19:53AM I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT SID FLANNERY DID WORKING WITH HIM
11:19:57AM THE LAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS WITH ENGAGEMENT WITH THE
11:20:01AM STAKEHOLDERS.
11:20:02AM I THOUGHT WE HAD REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS OF HOW TO BEST
11:20:04AM USE WATER AND WATER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS A VERY COMPLEX
11:20:12AM THING.
11:20:12AM NOT AN EASY.
11:20:14AM YOU CAN'T MAKE ONE NARROWED FOCUS DECISION INVOLVES
11:20:19AM WASTEWATER AND NOT STORMWATER OR POTABLE WATER.
11:20:22AM WE NEED TO LOOK AT WATER RESOURCE AS HOLISTIC.
11:20:25AM SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE CONVERSATIONS, I AM HOPEFUL
11:20:29AM THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT SO WE DON'T MAKE A
11:20:35AM NARROW-MINDED FOCUSED DECISION THAT COST IN ONE AREA THAN
11:20:40AM ANOTHER BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCOVERED THE OVERALL FACT.
11:20:43AM WITH THAT IN MIND, TWO OTHER DRIVERS FOR THE PROJECT.
11:20:45AM ONE OF THEM IS SULPHUR SPRINGS IS BECOMING SALTIER.
11:20:48AM WE USE THAT AS A SOURCE OF MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE LOWER
11:20:53AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND THE INDICATION FROM THE SOUTHWEST
11:20:58AM FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT WE MAY NEED TO
11:20:59AM REPLACE THAT AND THAT IS THE MAJOR SOURCE.
11:21:02AM WITH WE REPLACE THAT SOURCE OF WATER IT AND ANY OTHER WAY, A
11:21:08AM COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND WILL ALSO EFFECT OTHER AREAS OF
11:21:12AM WATER MANAGEMENT WITHIN THE CITY.
11:21:13AM WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AND THE ISSUE OF DROUGHT.
11:21:18AM WHEN WE HIT A REALLY SEVERE DROUGHT, WE CAN PURCHASE WATER
11:21:22AM FROM TAMPA BAY WATER AND IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST.
11:21:25AM THAT IS AN OPTION TO RELY ON IT MOVING IN THE FUTURE, WE
11:21:29AM NEED TO LOOK AT COSTS OF CONTINUED RELIANCE ON THAT.
11:21:32AM SO SI DIDN'T WANT TO GO TOO DEEP IN THE ISSUES TODAY AND
11:21:40AM EXCITED TO DISCUSS THEM IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY AT THE
11:21:43AM WORKSHOP.
11:21:43AM SO WITH THAT, I GUESS, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
11:21:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:21:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GUESS WHAT BOTHERING ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE
11:21:56AM WATER SITUATION IS THERE IS NO SOLUTION.
11:21:58AM BUT I AM HEARING FROM A 30-YEAR EXPERT -- AND I ALWAYS SAY
11:22:06AM EXPERIENCE IS YOUR BEST TEACHER.
11:22:08AM HE IS A SCIENTIST.
11:22:09AM I LOOK AT -- THOSE ARE THE FACTS.
11:22:13AM DATA, YOU CAN OBSCURE DATA.
11:22:18AM BUT ASK SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS THE ACTUAL SUBJECT MATTER, IT
11:22:21AM MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
11:22:22AM FOR ME TO HEAR THAT WHEN WE MAKE RULES ON THIS DAIS,
11:22:26AM SOMETIMES THE ORDINANCE JUST DOESN'T FIT SOMETIMES AND WE
11:22:34AM HAVE TO GO AND FIX IT MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED.
11:22:37AM WHEN THEY DID IT MAY BE BLANKET -- BUT IT DOESN'T FIT
11:22:41AM EVERYBODY NOW.
11:22:42AM MY THING IS, WHY DON'T WE PUMP THE BRAKES, GET A LOBBYIST OR
11:22:46AM HIRE A LOBBYIST TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT
11:22:51AM AND LOBBY TO SAY THIS NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED AND IT SEEMS THERE
11:22:55AM IS AMBIGUITIES HERE.
11:22:57AM AND SOME ISSUES HERE AND LET THEM WORK THAT OUT AND THEN
11:23:00AM COME BACK AND TRY TO WORK.
11:23:01AM TO ME TO TRY TO PUT OUR FOOT ON THE GAS HERE, WE -- WE ARE
11:23:05AM NOT GETTING TO A STOP SIGN HERE.
11:23:11AM >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, COUNCILMAN, BUT I WILL
11:23:14AM STRESS THAT SENATE BILL 64 IS AN ISSUE THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE
11:23:18AM ADDRESSED THAT WAY, BUT THE OTHER TWO ISSUES NEED TO BE
11:23:21AM ADDRESSED AS WELL.
11:23:22AM AND WE HAVE TIME FOR THAT.
11:23:23AM THAT IS WHY I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO DISCUSS WHY -- WHY DO WE
11:23:26AM NEED TO DO THIS -- AT THE WORKSHOP IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
11:23:29AM I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD DISCUSSION ENGAGING WITH THE
11:23:34AM STAKEHOLDERS AND THERE ARE VERY MANY EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD,
11:23:38AM PEOPLE WITH 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND MORE THAT WE WILL
11:23:45AM BRING TO THE WORKSHOP.
11:23:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHUCK, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT WE
11:23:52AM HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.
11:23:52AM WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHATEVER THE THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
11:23:58AM BUT HERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LAW AND LET THE
11:24:05AM LEDGIZATION KNOW A PROBLEM WITH THE LAW OR THE
11:24:09AM INTERPRETATION.
11:24:09AM CHARTER MEMBERS THAT SOME OF OUR INTERPRETATIONS ARE WRONG
11:24:12AM AND WE HAVE TO FIX -- MAKE THEM RIGHT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
11:24:17AM EXACT VERBIAGE TO BE CARRIED OUT.
11:24:20AM I WILL BE ASKING THAT WE LOOK AT MAKING SURE THAT THE
11:24:26AM LEGISLATIVE TAKES IT TO TALLAHASSEE.
11:24:31AM WE NEED TO DO THAT AS A CITY AND ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL.
11:24:38AM I AM ASKING TO TAKE THIS BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE AND HAVE OUR
11:24:44AM LOBBYIST TO MAKE SURE IT IS GOING TO WORK AND BE TWEAKED.
11:24:47AM THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR.
11:24:50AM >> I UNDERSTAND, COUNCILMAN.
11:24:52AM TIME IS IMPORTANT WITH SENATE BILL 64 SQUEEZING A PROJECT IN
11:24:57AM THAT WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON YET IN TEN YEARS IS GOING TO BE
11:25:00AM TOUGH.
11:25:00AM THAT IS THE TIME DRIVER FOR THAT.
11:25:02AM THE TIME DRIVER FOR THE MINIMUM FLOWS IS ACTUALLY QUITE A
11:25:05AM BIT CLOSER EVEN IN TWO WEEKS WE WILL BE TALKING WITH
11:25:13AM S.W.F.W.M.D. FOR THE RENEWALS, AND THE MINIMUM FLOWS ARE
11:25:18AM TIED TO THAT PERMIT.
11:25:19AM AND HAVING A SOLUTION FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS WILL BE ESSENTIAL
11:25:23AM OF DISCUSSING CONCERNS AT THE TOP.
11:25:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
11:25:27AM YOU ARE STILL GOING TO WORK ON THAT.
11:25:29AM I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
11:25:30AM THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE BIGGER
11:25:34AM ISSUE.
11:25:35AM YOU WILL STILL HAVE PEOPLE COME AND COMPLAIN AND UNTIL WE
11:25:37AM CAN ADDRESS THIS.
11:25:38AM WE CAN STILL WORK AND TALK AND MEET AND GIVE IDEAS AND
11:25:41AM WHATEVER BUT, AGAIN, A MAIN ISSUE WITH THE LAW AND THAT IS
11:25:46AM WHAT I AM SEEING AND HEARING.
11:25:48AM WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE LAW.
11:25:49AM SO I AM HOPING THAT WE DON'T GO ON DEAF EARS ON THAT.
11:25:53AM WE GO AND ADDRESS THE LAW.
11:25:54AM WE CAN STILL WORK, BUT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE LAW.
11:25:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:25:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE.
11:26:02AM WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO BOTH AND I AM GOING TO ENCOURAGE
11:26:07AM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES TO REACH OUT TO THOSE REPRESENTATIVES
11:26:14AM IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE UP IN TALLAHASSEE TO SEE WHAT
11:26:19AM WE CAN DO REGARDING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS VERY
11:26:22AM CRITICAL AND WE NEED TO CREATE SOME PARTNERSHIPS THERE IN
11:26:25AM ADDITION TO GETTING OUR OWN LOBBYING TEAM WORKING ON THAT.
11:26:28AM AND SO I -- WE -- WE CONTINUED THE ITEM ABOUT THE 17
11:26:35AM QUESTIONS UNTIL THE 19th.
11:26:36AM AND FROM WHAT I AM HEARING, WE MAY NOT HAVE COMPLETE ANSWERS
11:26:41AM TO EVERY QUESTION.
11:26:42AM AND I AM JUST -- I WANT TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:26:46AM AND I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO BE TALKING TO IT THE
11:26:48AM STAKEHOLDERS SOMEWHAT BEFORE WE BRING THAT FORWARD TOO.
11:26:52AM AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WE CAN AS MUCH OF
11:26:57AM THE ANSWERS THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN DO WITHOUT SPENDING EXTRA
11:27:00AM MONEY.
11:27:00AM SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
11:27:02AM AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT SESSION.
11:27:05AM AND I AM GOING TO ENCOURAGE MY FELLOW -- MY COLLEAGUES THAT
11:27:09AM RIGHT NOW THAT SESSION, JANUARY 19, ONLY HAS THREE STAFF
11:27:14AM REPORTS THAT I SEE ON IT.
11:27:16AM AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF WE COULD LIMIT THE
11:27:19AM ADDITIONAL STAFF REPORTS WE PUT ON THAT DAY, BECAUSE I HAVE
11:27:21AM A FEELING THAT IS GOING TO BE A LONG DISCUSSION.
11:27:24AM SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
11:27:28AM THANK YOU.
11:27:28AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
11:27:30AM THANK YOU FOR THE DOCUMENTATION AS WELL.
11:27:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:27:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY, CHUCK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
11:27:41AM CANDID AND RELIABILITY OF INFORMATION.
11:27:44AM IT IS REALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE CONVERSATION FROM A FEW
11:27:46AM YEARS AGO AND I APPRECIATE THE OFF-LINE CONVERSATIONS.
11:27:51AM YOU HAVE BEEN GOOD WORKING PROACTIVELY WITH ME AND THE
11:27:54AM STAKEHOLDERS AN SENT THAT LETTER AND LET THE SIERRA CLUB
11:27:58AM PARTICIPATE SO MUCH IS A GOOD SIGN OF OCTOBERTIVITY.
11:28:02AM IT IS OBVIOUS AND FOLKS IN AND AROUND THE MAYOR SAY THEY
11:28:05AM ABSOLUTELY WANT THIS PROJECT.
11:28:06AM NO MATTER HOW OBJECTIVE OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS BECOME,
11:28:09AM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WANTS THIS PROJECT.
11:28:11AM JUST LIKE THE LAST MAYOR WANTS THIS PROJECT.
11:28:13AM IRRATIONAL DECISION.
11:28:15AM NOT BASED ON SCIENCE.
11:28:17AM THAT THEY WANT THIS PROJECT.
11:28:19AM I THINK THAT IS THE CONCERN THE PUBLIC HAS, NO RATIONAL
11:28:22AM BASIS FOR IT.
11:28:23AM A LOT OF REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD, BUT NO RATIONAL
11:28:27AM BASIS.
11:28:27AM AND THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE, AT LEAST -- AT LEAST THE PRIOR
11:28:31AM ADMINISTRATION USED LOBBYISTS TO LOBBY FOR IT.
11:28:34AM WHEN I ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION THIS ROUND IF WE COULD USE A
11:28:37AM LOBBYIST AGAINST IT, THEY SAID NO.
11:28:39AM AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN -- EVERY
11:28:43AM TIME I MAKE A COMMENT, SOMEONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION MAKES
11:28:46AM A CORRECTION.
11:28:47AM JUST LIKE THE REPORT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN BY THE
11:28:50AM POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CORRECTIONS MAY BE FACTUAL, BUT THEY
11:28:53AM ARE USING THEIR OWN SET OF FACTS THAT DON'T EXACTLY MEET
11:28:57AM WHAT THOSE STANDARD CRITERIA FOR WHAT SHOULD BE USED.
11:29:00AM THE EXAMPLE HERE, CHUCK, THAT YOU GAVE, IT IS TRUE NO
11:29:05AM PROJECT BASED ON THE VOTES WHAT WE DID BEFORE.
11:29:07AM HOWEVER, IF WE -- IF WE DON'T CHANGE THIS LAW -- COULD I ASK
11:29:13AM A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.
11:29:14AM IF WE DON'T CHANGE THIS LAW AND WE ADHERE TO THE LAW, THEN
11:29:18AM WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME KIND OF PROJECT.
11:29:21AM THAT IS WHY I THINK THE THINGS ARE RELATED.
11:29:24AM WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE NEW PROJECT WILL COST BECAUSE WE
11:29:27AM DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
11:29:29AM THE ONLY INFORMATION WE HAVE IS CREATED TWO OR THREE YEARS
11:29:34AM AGO.
11:29:34AM 2.1 TO 3.6 BILLION IN THAT RANGE LOOKING AT THE OPTION.
11:29:40AM WE DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATED INFORMATION.
11:29:42AM WHEN I STARTED USING THAT NUMBER, I GOT A LONG SCATHING
11:29:45AM E-MAIL FROM MISS DUNCAN THAT I DON'T BELIEVE SHE WROTE,
11:29:49AM BECAUSE SHE IS A NICE PERSON, BUT IT SAID, YOU UNDERSTAND WE
11:29:52AM HAVE EDUCATED YOU -- I AM PARAPHRASING THAT -- THAT IT IS
11:29:55AM CENTERED IN THE INDUSTRY TO USE CAPITAL COSTS NOT TOTAL COST
11:29:58AM FOR 30 YEARS.
11:29:59AM THAT IS NOT TRUE.
11:30:00AM AND WHEN WE HAVE COME WITH A PROJECT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE
11:30:07AM TOTAL COST OF 30 YEARS.
11:30:09AM IN THE ABSENCE OF SOME OTHER DATA BETWEEN $2 BILLION TO $6
11:30:16AM BILLION, FROM THE PIPES PROGRAM, $3 BILLION, $2.9 BILLION,
11:30:20AM AND INCREASED AND DOUBLED THE WATER RATE THAT WENT FROM $40
11:30:24AM TO $80, SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON AVERAGE.
11:30:27AM WE INCREASE TO $6 BILLION, MAY ADD $80 A MONTH.
11:30:31AM MAY NOT COMPACTLY RIGHT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE OTHER INFORMATION
11:30:35AM NOW.
11:30:35AM THE POINT IS IF WE MOVE FORWARD AND ABIDE BY THIS LAW, IF WE
11:30:39AM DON'T START FIGHTING THE LAW AND FIGHTING THE PROJECT NOW,
11:30:42AM WE ARE GOING TO END UP IN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO SPEND
11:30:45AM MONEY AND EVENTUALLY HAVE TO RAISE RATES AND THAT IS WHAT
11:30:48AM THE PUBLIC WANTS US TO TO DO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT.
11:30:52AM THE SULPHUR SPRINGS THING, 11 AND 12 MGD.
11:30:56AM THE SIMPLE SOLUTION IN THE SHORT RUN IS TO STOP PUMPING.
11:30:59AM WE HAVE TO BUY FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, AND WE HAVE TO STOP
11:31:03AM BUMPING, S.W.F.W.M.D., THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, DID NOT DO
11:31:06AM ANY MODELLING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE STOPPED PUMPING.
11:31:10AM STOPPED PUMPING IN THE CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AND WE HAVE
11:31:13AM SALT WATER INTRUSION, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OTHER
11:31:17AM SOLUTION.
11:31:18AM MINIMUM FLOWS -- IF -- IF S.W.F.W.M.D. COMES BACK TO SAY
11:31:23AM 80 NGD THAN 82 MGD, WE HAVE TO BUY THE REST IN TAMPA BAY
11:31:28AM WATER.
11:31:28AM MINIMUM FLOWS ARE IMPORTANT BUT DOESN'T MEAN THAT OUR WATER
11:31:32AM SUPPLY WILL BE SHUT OFF.
11:31:33AM CHUCK DID NOT DO THIS, BUT SOME PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION
11:31:36AM USING SCARE TACTICS.
11:31:38AM WATER IS SCARCE IN THE FUTURE.
11:31:41AM WATER IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE.
11:31:42AM THAT IS RIGHT WHY TAMPA BAY WATER IN OUR REGION IS ONE OF
11:31:46AM THE BEST -- AND MR. MIRANDA IS ON THE BOARD -- ONE OF THE
11:31:48AM BEST EXAMPLES OF REGIONAL COOPERATION AND REGIONAL PLANNING
11:31:52AM IN THE WORLD.
11:31:53AM SO WE SHOULD WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
11:31:55AM NOT KILL IT.
11:31:57AM WHAT -- WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST THE LOBBYISTS OF THE
11:32:01AM CITY BECAUSE THEY REPORT TO THE MAYOR, THE LAST TWO MAYORS
11:32:04AM VOTED TO LOBBY IN FAVOR OF THIS, IT APPEARS.
11:32:07AM IF WE PASS A RESOLUTION TODAY ASKING THE MAYOR TO GET THE
11:32:11AM LOBBYIST TO WORK AGAINST IT, I AM NOT CONFIDENT THAT WILL
11:32:16AM HAPPEN BASED ON WHAT THE STAFF TOLD ME IN THE PAST.
11:32:18AM I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT HOW WE CAN GET THE MAYOR TO
11:32:21AM COOPERATE WITH US IN STOPPING THIS LEGISLATION.
11:32:24AM AT THE VERY LEAST AS THE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC SAID GIVES US
11:32:28AM MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS, WHY SHOULD WE BE FORCED TO
11:32:32AM SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
11:32:33AM THE LAST POINT IS, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:32:36AM TO DO THIS ANYWAY, AND -- I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT
11:32:40AM DOWN THE ROAD IF WE HAVE TO DO ONE.
11:32:42AM IF WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PROJECT, WHY SHOULD THE CITY
11:32:47AM OF TAMPA'S RATE PAYERS OWN THIS.
11:32:48AM HUNDREDS AND MILLIONS IN WATER.
11:32:54AM PART OF THE REGIONAL COOPERATIVE.
11:32:56AM LET THE BURDEN GO TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
11:33:01AM AND NOT GO ALONE AND CONTROL OUR RESOURCES.
11:33:04AM EVERY MEMBER OF TAMPA BAY WATER SOLD THEIR RESOURCE INTO THE
11:33:08AM COOPERATIVE BACK -- BACK AROUND 1998.
11:33:12AM TAMPA ARBITRARY WAS LEFT OUT.
11:33:14AM AND THAT IS THE EXCUSE THAT WE SHOULD ALWAYS GO OUR OWN.
11:33:18AM THAT SHOULDN'T BE.
11:33:19AM WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN TAMPA, WORK IN PINELLAS.
11:33:23AM PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THE BATHE ALL THE TIME AND WORK AS A
11:33:26AM REGION AND TRY TO COOPERATE NOT TO START FIGHTS IN THE
11:33:29AM REGION AND TRY TO GOUGE OUR RATE PAYERS.
11:33:31AM THANK YOU.
11:33:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR.
11:33:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:33:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WENT IN THE BACK AND WAS PROCESSING A FEW
11:33:41AM THINGS.
11:33:41AM I AM PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. CARLSON, LITTLE
11:33:46AM BIT LATER, NEW BUSINESS, TO ASK THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES
11:33:49AM TO ALSO LOOK INTO THIS.
11:33:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEY ARE.
11:33:52AM I MENTION IT LAST TIME I WAS UP THERE AND I AM GOING UP
11:33:55AM THERE THIS AFTERNOON.
11:33:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GREAT, GREAT.
11:33:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE AS THE BOARD OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF
11:34:01AM CITIES ARE ON THIS.
11:34:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:34:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:34:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:09AM I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE PROLIFIC SPEAKERS WHO TRY TO USAGE I
11:34:14AM HAVE IT.
11:34:14AM I SPEAK WHERE I COME FROM, YBOR CITY, FROM THE HEART.
11:34:17AM THERE IS GROUNDWATER.
11:34:18AM THERE IS RIVER WATER.
11:34:19AM THERE IS WELL WATER.
11:34:20AM WATER FROM THE BYPASS CANAL.
11:34:24AM SEA HELP.
11:34:25AM WATER FROM THE SEA.
11:34:26AM DE SAL WATER.
11:34:29AM AND THEN THERE ARE DROUGHTS.
11:34:31AM NO MATTER IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL, YOU CANNOT CONTROL
11:34:35AM ONE THING, AND THIS IS NATURE.
11:34:38AM BACK IN THE OLD ADMINISTRATION BACK BETWEEN '95 AND 2003, WE
11:34:45AM WERE, WHAT, A COUPLE OF DAYS -- I THINK MR. BAIRD WAS THERE
11:34:50AM AT THE TIME HAVING ENOUGH WATER TO SERVICE THE SYSTEM THAT
11:34:52AM WE HAVE.
11:34:54AM NO ONE, INCLUDING TAMPA BAY WATER, HAD ENOUGH WATER AT THAT
11:34:59AM TIME, IF I RECALL, TO GIVE WATER TO EVERYBODY.
11:35:01AM BY THE WAY, IF I REMEMBER, THE CONTRACT BROUGHT UP BY A
11:35:04AM COUNCILMEMBER, WHO IS THE LAST ONE THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE
11:35:09AM WATER TOO.
11:35:10AM CAN YOU TELL ME.
11:35:11AM >> AVERAGE ANNUAL BELOW 82, WE WILL BE THE LAST MEMBER
11:35:16AM GOVERNMENT.
11:35:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:35:18AM >> CITY OF TAMPA, YES.
11:35:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:35:21AM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
11:35:23AM NUMBER TWO, THE BILL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE WATER BILL,
11:35:27AM INCLUDES MANY, MANY THINGS ALONG WITH THE COST OF WATER.
11:35:30AM AM I CORRECT?
11:35:31AM IT INCLUDES THE COST OF WATER.
11:35:35AM TAMPA INCLUDES GARBAGE PICKUP.
11:35:38AM AND INCLUDES SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO DO 25 YEARS AGO.
11:35:43AM AT THAT TIME IT WAS $2 A MONTH BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER COST FOR
11:35:50AM REPLACEMENT OF WHAT?
11:35:51AM WATER PIPES UNDERTAKE GROUND AND THE PIPES GOING TO THE
11:35:57AM CURREN WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
11:35:59AM THEY WERE NEVER THERE.
11:36:00AM WE WERE SPENDING 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND
11:36:03AM INCREASING EVERY YEAR ON NOT REPLACING ONE PIPE BUT
11:36:08AM REPLACING -- BUT REPAIRING THAT SAME PIPE FIVE TIMES A YEAR.
11:36:13AM AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS THE ONLY PIPE WE ARE REPLACING,
11:36:17AM MANY PIPES.
11:36:18AM WE HAD BREAKS IN THE WATER LINE AND BREAKS IN THOSE PIPES
11:36:22AM GOING TO THE HOWARD CURREN ON A CONTINUING BASIS.
11:36:26AM AND IF YOU DID THAT FOR 30 YEARS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU
11:36:30AM WILL STILL HAVE THE SAME OL' -- EXCUSE THE LANGUAGE SHITTY
11:36:37AM PIPE AND HOLES ALL OVER IT AND NOT ONE REPLACED PIPE.
11:36:40AM AM I CORRECT?
11:36:42AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
11:36:42AM >> LET'S TALK OF COST OF WATER, I WILL VENTURE THAT I BET
11:36:46AM EVERYTHING THAT I OWN THAT THE CITY OF -- WATER RATE AND WHY
11:36:50AM ARE WE CONSERVATIVE SO WE DON'T HAVE ABUSERS, THE MORE YOU
11:36:54AM USE, THE HIGHER THE COST IT GOES, AM I CORRECT?
11:36:57AM >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
11:36:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT IS BECAUSE WATER IS THE MOST
11:37:02AM PRECIOUS RESOURCES ON EARTH, ALONG WITH THE AIR.
11:37:05AM IF YOU DON'T HAVE CLEAN WATER AND CLEAN AIR, YOU CAN'T LIVE.
11:37:09AM I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE.
11:37:11AM HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE.
11:37:12AM I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR STATUS IS AS A SOCIETY, YOU CANNOT
11:37:17AM LIVE, PERIOD.
11:37:19AM AM I CORRECT?
11:37:20AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
11:37:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE QUALITY OF WATER
11:37:24AM AND THE TASTE OF WATER.
11:37:25AM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BUY WATER FROM CERTAIN ENTITY AND
11:37:30AM THEIR WATER COMES FROM A SOURCE OTHER THAN THE DIFFERENT
11:37:33AM WATER TREATED AND YOU HAVE TO MIX IT.
11:37:35AM DOES IT TASTE THE SAME?
11:37:38AM >> WELL, IF YOU WERE REFERRING WHEN WE PURCHASE WATER FROM
11:37:41AM TAMPA BAY WATER --
11:37:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: REFERRING TO THE WHOLE -- NOT GOING TO
11:37:44AM MENTION NAMES.
11:37:45AM >> WHEN THE CITY HAS PURCHASED WATER FROM OTHERS IN THE PAST
11:37:48AM AND IT HAS BEEN DIFFERENT WATER QUALITY THAN THE WATER WE
11:37:52AM PRODUCE, YES, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS TASTE AND ODOR
11:37:55AM COMPLAINTS.
11:37:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I REMEMBER THE CALLS -- AND HE IS NOT
11:37:58AM HERE NOW, BUT MOSTLY IN DISTRICT 7.
11:38:01AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
11:38:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AM I CORRECT?
11:38:05AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF WATER PER UNIT IT, I WOULD
11:38:11AM VENTURE EVERYTHING THAT I OWN THAT WE ARE FAR, FAR UNDER THE
11:38:15AM ENTITY YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT.
11:38:17AM >> YES, SIR.
11:38:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO LET ME UNDERSTAND -- I AM NOT GOING TO
11:38:28AM MENTION NAMES -- BUT IN OCTOBER, I THINK IT WAS, AND A BOND
11:38:32AM ISSUE FOR 30 YEARS AND I SAW TWO YEARS OF WHICH -- I DIDN'T
11:38:37AM SAY TOO MUCH.
11:38:37AM I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
11:38:39AM THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED THE FOLLOWING MONTH.
11:38:42AM THAT -- BY THE WAY, THAT WENT FROM POINT A TO POINT B, 30
11:38:51AM YEARS, 120 MILLION.
11:38:52AM AND ALL OF A SUDDEN -- I BELIEVE IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER -- I
11:39:01AM FORGET WHICH ONE -- THE FIRST 16 YEARS -- AND I LEARNED THAT
11:39:05AM HERE FROM CITYING HERE.
11:39:09AM THEY WERE ONLY GOING TO PAY THE INTEREST.
11:39:11AM THERE WAS ONLY ONE VOTE AGAIN IT.
11:39:16AM AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT HIM.
11:39:17AM NOT THE EXPERIENCE THAT I GOT THERE.
11:39:19AM THE EXPERIENCE THAT I GOT HERE.
11:39:21AM WHEN YOU PAY INTEREST FOR THE FIRST 16 YEARS FOR $6 MILLION
11:39:25AM FOR $96 MILLION FOR 16 YEARS, SOME POOR INDIVIDUAL AT THE
11:39:31AM END OF THE 14 YEARS -- I SAID OF THE 30 YEARS, YOU ARE GOING
11:39:34AM TO HAVE TO PAY THE WHOLE COST OF THE INTEREST AGAIN FOR THE
11:39:38AM FIRST 16 YEARS, AM I CORRECT?
11:39:41AM >> YES, SIR.
11:39:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT DO YOU THINK THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING
11:39:44AM TO HAVE TO PAY WHEN THAT INTEREST RATE HITS THAT THEY HAVE
11:39:48AM TO PAY THE WATER RATE GOING UP FOR THE LAST 14 YEARS OF A
11:39:52AM 30-YEAR DEAL.
11:39:53AM HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL WHEN I SEE THAT?
11:39:58AM NOT EASY TO VOTE NO.
11:39:59AM FOR ME, IT IS.
11:40:01AM SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GET TO MY AGE, IT IS VERY SIMPLE TO SAY
11:40:07AM WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY.
11:40:08AM BECAUSE IN MY AGE, EVEN A LIFE SENTENCE IS A SHORT TIME.
11:40:11AM LET'S FACE IT.
11:40:12AM I AM A REALIST.
11:40:14AM I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, I AM A REALIST.
11:40:17AM I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
11:40:19AM SO WHEN I COME HERE AND SEE THESE RAZZLE DAZZLE AND THIS,
11:40:23AM THAT AND THE OTHER, I DON'T PLAY NONE OF THOSE GAMES.
11:40:26AM I GO BY THE FACTS I LEARNED ON THE STREET.
11:40:30AM AND I SEE THAT COMING.
11:40:32AM AND THAT WOULD BE THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO FOR ANYBODY AND
11:40:36AM ANY GOVERNMENT TO GIVE UP THEIR COST.
11:40:39AM THEY HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE WATER SUPPLY.
11:40:42AM THAT WAR WAS GOING UP WAY BACK UP THERE IN THE OTHER SIDE OF
11:40:46AM THE RACETRACK ABOUT FIVE MILES WHEN SOME COUNTY COMMISSIONER
11:40:49AM OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BACK BEFORE ALEXANDER SET FORTH
11:40:56AM IN THE WARS NINE MILLION YEARS AGO AND SOLD THE WELLS TO
11:41:02AM PINELLAS COUNTY.
11:41:03AM CITY OF TAMPA WAS NEVER THE WATER -- AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
11:41:09AM PINELLAS AND PASCO.
11:41:11AM WE WERE JUST BYSTANDERS AND WE WERE ASKED TO GET IN.
11:41:18AM BE DAMNED IF YOU DON'T AND DAMNED IF YOU DID AND SO WE GOT
11:41:21AM IN.
11:41:22AM FOR THAT WE WILL PAY THE PENALTY.
11:41:23AM NOT THIS GUY.
11:41:24AM I AM NEVER GOING TO VOTE TO SELL THE CITY OF TAMPA'S WATER
11:41:27AM SUPPLY AS LONG AS IT IS RUN EFFICIENTLY.
11:41:30AM AS LONG AS IT IS RUN WITH THE BEST KIND OF OPERATION.
11:41:33AM AND BY THE WAY, HOW DO YOU FEEL IF YOU LIVED IN NEW ORLEANS
11:41:36AM AND YOU DRANK THE WATER FROM THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER?
11:41:40AM IT COMES FROM WHERE, MINNESOTA.
11:41:42AM 1,000 MILES I WOULD ASSUME OR CLOSE TO TAMPA HOW MANY CITIES
11:41:46AM DOWN THE MISSISSIPPI PUT ON A DUMP -- THE TOO WATER.
11:41:54AM WATER TO TAP, PISS WATER WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT INTO
11:41:57AM THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER.
11:41:58AM NEW ORLEANS, I WOULD IMAGINE THEY GET SOME OF THE WATER FROM
11:42:01AM THE MISSISSIPPI OR HAVE GREEN GRASS FOR THE REST OF THEIR
11:42:04AM LIFE.
11:42:04AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
11:42:06AM WE GET OUR WATER FROM WHERE THE -- IF I REMEMBER FOLLOWS
11:42:11AM INTO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND COMES ON DOWN.
11:42:13AM I WONDER IF ANY OF THE CITIES UP NORTH OR EAST OF US ARE
11:42:16AM DUMPING INTO THE AN AREA THAT GOES DOWN TO THE HILLSBOROUGH
11:42:20AM RIVER.
11:42:20AM ANYBODY THOUGHT OF THAT?
11:42:22AM I HAVE.
11:42:22AM SO IT IS UP TO EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE WATER DISTRICT AND
11:42:32AM THE WHOLE UNITED STATES TO DEAL WITH WATER TO MAKE IT SIMPLY
11:42:37AM THE BEST AND SIMPLY THE CLEANEST, SIMPLY THE MOST HEALTHIEST
11:42:43AM SO ALL OF US CAN CONSUME THAT WATER.
11:42:45AM THERE HAS BEEN A WATER WAR BETWEEN COLORADO AND I FORGET
11:42:51AM WHATEVER STATE FOR 100 YEARS AND I DON'T THINK IT IS OVER
11:42:53AM YET.
11:42:53AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE BEAUTIFUL PARKS
11:42:58AM THAT WE HAVE OUT WEST, THE FLOWS USED TO BE -- NOW 35 FEET.
11:43:02AM 35 FEET FROM THE WATER USED TO HAVE.
11:43:04AM WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE PROBLEM IS
11:43:11AM US.
11:43:12AM WE ALREADY HAVE SEVEN BILLION PEOPLE LIVING ON EARTH AND
11:43:16AM EIGHT BILLION JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
11:43:18AM SO WE BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:43:22AM AND REALIZE WHAT WE HAVE AND TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLY YOURSELF
11:43:29AM WITH THAT WATER.
11:43:30AM WE DID SO MANY THINGS.
11:43:31AM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS ONE OF THE WORST IN FLORIDA TO HAVE THE
11:43:36AM WATER.
11:43:37AM AND STILL HAS -- IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE STILL HAVE
11:43:40AM SOMEBODY GOING TO RUN A WATER -- I AM NOT HERE TO EMBARRASS
11:43:44AM EVERYBODY.
11:43:44AM IF I WAS TO ASK ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL HERE IN THE STATE WHAT
11:43:47AM YOU WANT TODAY, 80% OF THEM DON'T KNOW.
11:43:51AM SO WHAT THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
11:43:58AM I AM GOING TO STOP GIVING A LECTURE, BECAUSE I AM NOT TRYING
11:44:02AM TO LECTURE ANYONE.
11:44:03AM I AM TRYING TO OPEN YOUR EYES.
11:44:05AM THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF FIRST.
11:44:08AM THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY HAVE ALWAYS GOT THE BEST WATER AND
11:44:15AM THE BEST WATER RATE.
11:44:16AM ANYBODY WANTS TO PUT A GAMBLE WITH ME, COME ON, I WILL TAKE
11:44:20AM YOU ON.
11:44:20AM THE PRICE OF WATER VERSUS THE QUALITY OF WATER VERSUS THE
11:44:23AM DISTRICTS OF ANYONE THEY WANT.
11:44:25AM END OF STORY.
11:44:26AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:44:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYBODY ELSE?
11:44:31AM MR. WEBER, GO AHEAD AND THEN I HAVE MY COMMENTS WHICH WILL
11:44:34AM BE TOUGH TO FOLLOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:44:36AM >> I APPRECIATE IT.
11:44:37AM IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY I NEED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF
11:44:42AM THINGS.
11:44:42AM FIRST, THE LAST TWO TIMES WE HAVE PURCHASED WATER FROM TAMPA
11:44:46AM BAY WATER, THEY HAVE PROVIDED US WATER QUALITY THAT IS
11:44:49AM SIMILAR IN QUALITY AND WE HAD ZERO COMPLAINTS.
11:44:51AM SO IT IS POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW TO PURCHASE THAT WATER.
11:44:55AM TAMPA BAY WATER WILL NOT GUARANTEE THAT WATER.
11:44:59AM THE ONLY WATER QUALITY THEY CAN GUARANTEE IS AN EXHIBIT B --
11:45:05AM EXHIBIT D.
11:45:06AM HOWEVER, TAMPA BAY WATER HAS BEEN WORKING TO ADDRESS WATER
11:45:11AM QUALITY CONCERNS OF THE MEMBER GOVERNMENTS FOR THE LAST
11:45:14AM THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
11:45:19AM THEY ARE EMBARKING AND CONSIDERING A $500 MILLION CAPITAL
11:45:24AM PROJECT TO, YOU KNOW, ENHANCE THEIR WATER QUALITY SO IT WILL
11:45:29AM BE SIMILAR TO THE WATER QUALITY WE PRODUCE.
11:45:32AM AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR AND DIDN'T
11:45:36AM COME OUT IN THE DISCUSSION.
11:45:37AM ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS THAT COUNCILMAN
11:45:44AM CARLSON TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION, I
11:45:47AM DO REPRESENT THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS PROJECT.
11:45:48AM AND IF THE RATIONALE FOR THE PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN MADE
11:45:52AM CLEAR, I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO DO THAT IN JANUARY AND
11:45:56AM FEBRUARY THROUGH THE WORKSHOPS.
11:45:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ONE MORE BITE.
11:46:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY I AM NOT AGAINST TAMPA BAY
11:46:04AM WATER.
11:46:04AM WE JOINED BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE HELPFUL TO HILLSBOROUGH
11:46:08AM COUNTY RESIDENTS, PINELLAS COUNTY.
11:46:10AM WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS.
11:46:11AM WE WANTED THAT.
11:46:13AM AND WE ARE DOING A FINE JOB, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THIS FORWARD
11:46:19AM COMPARE WITH THEM, I AM NOT SELLING THIS.
11:46:20AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:46:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL BE VERY QUICK WITH THIS.
11:46:24AM I AGIE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE NEED TO LOOK TOWARD OUR
11:46:28AM STATE REPRESENTATIVES.
11:46:29AM FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW CAN THIS HAVE HAPPENED?
11:46:32AM HOW CAN YOU HAVE DONE THIS?
11:46:35AM I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN TAMPA SINCE 1974, I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS
11:46:39AM BAY CLEANER THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN TO THIS DATE.
11:46:42AM WE WANT TO TAKE THIS WATER.
11:46:46AM THE STAKEHOLDERS WANT TO TAKE THIS WATER AND PURIFY TO THE
11:46:51AM BEST IT CAN BE.
11:46:51AM WHILE I AGREE AND I AGREE PHARMACEUTICAL, HEAVY METALS AND
11:46:56AM NITRATES, BUT IF WE TAKE IT THAT FAR, WHY DON'T WE JUST USE
11:47:01AM IT FOR DRINKING WATER.
11:47:02AM AS I SEE A ANGLER OUT HERE AS I AM, WE KNOW THAT THE
11:47:07AM ESTUARIES NEED TO BE FED WITH FRESH WATER.
11:47:10AM I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL YOU COME BACK TO THIS WORKSHOP AND WE
11:47:14AM CAN HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
11:47:16AM THANK YOU, MR. WEBER.
11:47:17AM THANK YOU, MR. BAIRD.
11:47:21AM MISS JOHNS.
11:47:23AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
11:47:28AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: GOOD MORNING, REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL
11:47:34AM DEPARTMENT.
11:47:34AM WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE
11:47:37AM THAT WOULD PROTECT A TENANT FROM EVICTION FOR RENT THAT WAS
11:47:40AM PAST DUE FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.
11:47:42AM EVICTIONS ARE GOLF ERWINED BY FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER 83.
11:47:47AM CHAPTER 83 ALLOWS A LANDLORD TO EVICT A TENANT FOR A BREACH
11:47:52AM OF A LEASE WHICH WOULD INCLUDE ANY FAILURE TO PAY RENT DUE
11:47:57AM UNDER THE LEASE.
11:47:57AM RENT IS DEFINED UNDER THE STATUTE AS ANY PAYMENT DUE TO THE
11:48:01AM LANDLORD PURSUANT TO THE LEASE.
11:48:03AM THERE IS NO LIMITING LANGUAGE AS TO A TIME PERIOD.
11:48:07AM IF WE WERE TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE LIMITING THAT, WE WON'T
11:48:11AM HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT BECAUSE WE WOULD BE LIMITING
11:48:13AM LANDLORDS' RIGHTS UNDER THE STATUTE.
11:48:16AM HOWEVER, BE AWARE, THAT PRIOR TO AN EVICTION PROCEEDING, A
11:48:20AM LANDLORD HAS TO PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE TO A TENANT LETTING
11:48:24AM THEM KNOW TO REPRESENT THE LANDLORD CLAIMS IS BACK DUE.
11:48:28AM IF THE TENANT IS DISPUTING THAT AMOUNT OF RENT, THE EXACT
11:48:33AM CASE THAT WE HAD THE BAY AREA LEGAL CONTRACT IN PLACE FOR.
11:48:36AM SO WE CAN REFER TO TENANT TO BAY AREA FOR LEGAL
11:48:41AM REPRESENTATION TO DISPUTE LANDLORD'S CLAIM OF RENT OWED.
11:48:45AM I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED FOR A MEMO ON THIS, SO
11:48:48AM I WILL PROVIDE THAT TO ALL OF YOU.
11:48:51AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:48:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:48:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND RESEARCH ON THIS.
11:48:57AM YOU KNOW THIS WAS NECESSITATED BECAUSE OF TERRIBLE THINGS
11:49:01AM HAPPENING AT TIMBER FALLS AND 113th STREET.
11:49:04AM I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO THEIR PROPERTY MANAGER YESTERDAY.
11:49:07AM TRY TO KEEP UP TO DATE WHAT IS HAPPENING AND ETC.
11:49:10AM I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT IN SIM ABOUT FALLS, A LITTLE UNDER
11:49:15AM TWO DOZEN CODE CASES WHICH IS REALLY GOOD.
11:49:17AM THE CITY IS TRYING TO HOLD ACCOUNTABILITY HERE.
11:49:19AM WHAT HAPPENED ON THIS INSTANCE IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF
11:49:22AM RESIDENTS THAT HEARD OUT OF NOWHERE THEY WERE UP $7,000,
11:49:27AM $8,000, $10,000 IN BACK RENT WITH ASSORTED FEES AND ETC.,
11:49:31AM ETC., AND A LOT OF IT WAS DUE TO CONFUSION AND MANY OF THOSE
11:49:34AM CASES, THANK GOODNESS, HAVE BEEN SORTED OUT WHICH IS GOOD.
11:49:37AM YOU KNOW THE -- AND I OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND THE -- SOME OF
11:49:41AM THE ISSUES YOU TALKED ABOUT THERE.
11:49:43AM AND IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT AND IT IS ENFORCEABLE.
11:49:47AM JUST THAT THERE IS A RIGHT WAY TO DO IT AND THAT IS WHERE
11:49:50AM THE BULLY PULPIT COMES IN WITH A LOT OF THESE PROPERTY
11:49:54AM OWNERS TO MAKE SURE THEY DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY AND I THINK
11:49:57AM TIMBER FALLS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IN TERMS OF HOW
11:50:00AM PEOPLE MOVE DIGNITY FORWARD IN THAT REGARD.
11:50:02AM I WILL LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE FURTHER TO SEE IF THERE IS
11:50:05AM ANYTHING WE CAN DO ON THIS.
11:50:07AM THERE MAY BE.
11:50:08AM THERE MAY NOT BE IN TERMS OF AN ORDINANCE.
11:50:12AM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
11:50:13AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: THANK YOU.
11:50:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:50:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I REMEMBER PUTTING THE OFFICE OF TENANT
11:50:24AM ADVOCACY TOGETHER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING THIS -- THE
11:50:27AM PHONE NUMBER THAT -- THE CITY'S NUMBER FOR THE TENANT
11:50:30AM ADVOCACY OFFICE POSSIBLY TO THE EVICTION NOTICES.
11:50:34AM I KNOW BECAUSE -- IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE ARE, LIKE,
11:50:38AM SIX DIFFERENT PHONE NUMBERS AND FOLKS DON'T KNOW WHO TO CALL
11:50:42AM BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHICH PERTAINS TO THEM.
11:50:44AM AND OUR NEW AT WAS, HEY, JUST PUT THIS ONE NUMBER AND IF YOU
11:50:49AM HAVE A PROBLEM, WE -- THE TENANT ADVOCACY OFFICE WILL HELP
11:50:56AM DIRECT YOU TO THE CORRECT PERSON WHETHER IT BE BAY AREA
11:50:58AM LEGAL OR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
11:51:01AM AT THE PENDING ON STATE MONEY OR FEDERAL MONEY OR WHATEVER.
11:51:04AM DO WE HAVE ANY ABILITY TO -- I MEAN, HOW DO THOSE OTHER
11:51:12AM NUMBERS GET ON THERE AND HOW CAN WE GET OUR NUMBER ON THERE
11:51:16AM THROUGH.
11:51:17AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: I WANT TO CLARIFY WHICH EVICTION NOTICE YOU
11:51:20AM ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:51:21AM A WRITTEN NOTICE THAT THE LANDLORD SENDS TO A TENANT PRIOR
11:51:25AM TO EVICTION PROCEEDINGS THAT STATE YOU OWE $650 IN RENT.
11:51:29AM YOU MUST PAY THAT WITHIN THREE BUSINESS DAYS OR TURN OVER
11:51:32AM POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY.
11:51:33AM THAT NOTICE IS GOVERNED BY THE STATUTE.
11:51:36AM THE STATUTE ACTUALLY INCLUDES THE LANGUAGE TO GO IN THAT
11:51:40AM NOTICE.
11:51:40AM SO IF THE TENANT DOESN'T PAY, THEN THE LANDLORD CAN PURSUE
11:51:45AM EVICTION PROCEEDINGS.
11:51:46AM THOSE EVICTION FORMS ARE GOVERNED BY THE STATE COURTS.
11:51:51AM AND SO THAT FORM IS WHAT GOVERNS WHAT GOES.
11:51:55AM SO THAT NOTICE THAT ACTUALLY GETS FILED WITH THE COURT AND
11:51:59AM SERVED ON THE TENANT, THAT IS A FORM THAT IS GOVERNED BY THE
11:52:03AM STATE COURTS.
11:52:04AM I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD IN EITHER OF THE INSTANCES GOVERNED
11:52:09AM BY THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO ADD OR REQUIRE THAT THE CITY OF
11:52:12AM TAMPA LANGUAGE BE PUT ON THOSE NOTICES.
11:52:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LOVE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF
11:52:18AM THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
11:52:19AM I WILL MAKE A MOTION LATER TODAY JUST TO DO THAT, TO COVER
11:52:22AM ALL OF OUR BASES.
11:52:23AM I KNOW WE JUST HAD MISS TRAVIS UP EARLIER TO TALK ABOUT
11:52:28AM PASSING OUT THE INFORMATION TO DIFFERENT APARTMENT COMPLEXES
11:52:33AM AND MAYBE SOMEHOW ADD THAT IN BECAUSE WE NEED TO START A
11:52:37AM COMPONENT NOT ONLY FOR THE APARTMENTS BUT FOR THE TENANTS.
11:52:40AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: NOW WHAT WE CAN DO IS ADD THIS INFORMATION
11:52:43AM TO THE NOTICE OF TENANT RIGHTS THAT IS GIVEN TO EVERY TENANT
11:52:47AM WHEN THEY LEASE AN APARTMENT.
11:52:49AM BECAUSE THAT IS UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.
11:52:51AM SO WE CAN ADD IT TO THAT.
11:52:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WONDERFUL.
11:52:53AM AND SO --
11:52:56AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: I WILL ADD THAT AND WE WILL HAVE TO COME
11:52:58AM BACK AN AMENDS AN ORDINANCE -- I CAN'T REMEMBER ORDINANCE OR
11:53:03AM RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THAT NOTICE AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK
11:53:06AM FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
11:53:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY.
11:53:08AM IF I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT, I WILL ABSOLUTELY DO
11:53:11AM THAT.
11:53:11AM I CAN TALK TO YOU -- OR I CAN -- IF KELLY WILL COME OUT.
11:53:16AM MY WONDERFUL AIDE KELLY WILL COME OUT, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT
11:53:20AM HOW YOU WANT AT THAT LANGUAGE BUT I WILL ABSOLUTELY MAKE
11:53:23AM THAT MOTION AND THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I WAS
11:53:25AM THINKING OF, JUST SOME WAY ANY MORE WAY THAT WE CAN GET THAT
11:53:28AM INFORMATION OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT AND GET THEM TO
11:53:33AM KNOW ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME OR IF THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT,
11:53:37AM THE NEIGHBOR KNOW ABOUT IT, THE MORE WE GET THAT NUMBER OUT,
11:53:40AM THE MORE WE CAN ACTUALLY HELP MORE PEOPLE WITH THIS.
11:53:44AM SO THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR BRINGING THIS
11:53:52AM FORWARD.
11:53:52AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: ANYTHING ELSE?
11:53:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
11:53:56AM THANK YOU, MISS JOHNS.
11:53:57AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: THANK YOU.
11:53:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.
11:54:05AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, COUNCIL.
11:54:08AM NICOLE TRAVIS, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMICS DEVELOPMENT AND
11:54:12AM OPPORTUNITY.
11:54:12AM I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ON THE BLOOMBERG
11:54:15AM CONTRACT AND WHERE WE ARE INCLUDING HOW MANY CONSULTANTS AND
11:54:21AM DEPARTMENTS.
11:54:21AM SO I HAVE A SLIDE -- THANK YOU.
11:54:23AM YOU JUST ASK AND IT APPEARS.
11:54:26AM SO WHAT I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH IN THE SLIDES ARE IDENTIFY
11:54:31AM ALL THE DIFFERENT BLOOMBERG TEAMS AND NUMBER OF CONSULTANTS.
11:54:35AM WE HAVE OVER 15 ACTIVE PROJECTS SINCE MARCH OF 2020.
11:54:40AM AND BLOOMBERG AND ASSOCIATES, WHICH IS THEIR PHILANTHROPIC
11:54:48AM ARM HAVE DONATED 3500 HOURS WITH OUR TEAMS.
11:54:51AM THE ONE THING THAT YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE BLOOMBERG
11:54:55AM CONTRACT IS THAT I AM THE ADMINISTRATOR THAT OVERSEES ALL OF
11:55:01AM THE PROJECTS.
11:55:01AM AND INTERFACES WITH BLOOMBERG ON WHICH PROJECTS ARE A GO AND
11:55:08AM WHICH ONES ARE NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO
11:55:11AM ACHIEVE.
11:55:12AM SO I WORK WITH THE MAYOR ON THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
11:55:17AM ARE NOT OFF DOING RANDOM THINGS.
11:55:20AM SO I OVERSEE THIS -- THIS CONTRACT IN WHOLE.
11:55:24AM AND LET ME KNOW -- YOU CAN STOP ME AT ANY POINT IF YOU HAVE
11:55:29AM QUESTIONS.
11:55:29AM SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WITH THE COMMUNICATION TEAM,
11:55:35AM SPECIFICALLY WORKING ON THEIR BEST PRACTICES ON MEDIA
11:55:39AM ENGAGEMENT, INCREASING IMPACT ON ENGAGEMENT AND SOCIAL
11:55:43AM MEDIA, AND HOW TO IMPROVE STORY PITCHING.
11:55:46AM THERE ARE EIGHT BLOOMBERG EXPERTS THAT ARE ON THIS TEAM THAT
11:55:52AM YOU SEE THE AREAS OF EXPERTISE WITH HOW TO USE
11:55:57AM CITY-CONTROLLED MEDIA, PRESS OUTREACH, SOCIAL MEDIA AND
11:56:01AM CRISIS -- CRISIS RESPONSE PROTOCOLS.
11:56:04AM SO THEY ARE WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT AND
11:56:07AM THE PORTFOLIO THAT HAVE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICERS IN THEM.
11:56:10AM SO I HAVE A PIO IN MY OFFICE.
11:56:12AM WHEN THEY DO A WORKSHOP AND TRAINING OF BEST PRACTICES, ALL
11:56:16AM THE PIOs THAT ARE IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, THERE IS ONE IN
11:56:20AM JEAN'S GROUP, OCEA, WE ALL COME TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
11:56:26AM ALL ON THE SAME WAGE WITH BEST PRACTICES AND HOW TO MOVE
11:56:29AM FORWARD.
11:56:29AM THE OTHER PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IS WITH A CULTURAL ASSET
11:56:35AM MANAGEMENT TEAM.
11:56:36AM THREE -- THE EXPERTISE ON CULTURAL PROMOTION, OF PUBLIC ARTS
11:56:44AM INVESTMENTS AND SECURING GRANTS AND OTHER FUNDING STRATEGIES
11:56:47AM TO SUPPORT THE ARTS.
11:56:49AM AND THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE -- THEY ARE WORKING WITH
11:56:52AM ROBIN NIGH RIGHT NOW ON THE COMMUNICATION AND MATERIALS THAT
11:56:55AM WILL BE PRESENTED IN JANUARY FOR THE SOUL WALK'S LAUNCH IN
11:57:00AM JANUARY OF 2023.
11:57:01AM NEXT, WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
11:57:08AM I'LL TELL YOU A MAJORITY OF THE 15 PROJECTS ARE WITHIN MY
11:57:12AM PORTFOLIO.
11:57:15AM THE AREAS OF EXPERTISE ARE REALLY ON ECONOMIC STRATEGY,
11:57:18AM START-UP AND SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORT, COMMERCIAL REGENERATION
11:57:22AM PROJECTS, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, INDUSTRY CLUSTERS.
11:57:26AM AND SO THERE ARE FOUR EXPERTS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
11:57:28AM TEAM.
11:57:29AM THE ONE THING THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE BLOOMBERG TEAM
11:57:32AM IS THAT THEIR TEAM INCLUDES FORMER SENIOR LEADERS AT CITY
11:57:37AM AND STATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS.
11:57:39AM THEY ARE FOCUSED ON IMPLEMENTATION AND HOW DO WE GET THINGS
11:57:42AM FROM CONCEPT TO IMPLEMENTATION.
11:57:45AM THEIR COMMITMENT IS TOWARDS HELPING ENSURE THAT ALL
11:57:50AM RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE FROM DISADVANTAGED GROUPS HAVE
11:57:54AM ACCESS TO ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
11:57:56AM THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY CLOSE, AND WHEN
11:57:59AM I SHOW YOU SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON,
11:58:02AM PRIMARILY EAST TAMPA, YOU'LL SEE.
11:58:04AM AND A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IS DATA DRIVEN. SO
11:58:07AM OFTENTIMES BLOOMBERG STAFF WILL ASSIST US IN LOOKING AT THE
11:58:12AM BEST PRACTICES OR EVEN TALKING THROUGH WHAT TYPE OF METRICS
11:58:17AM WILL HELP US -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS TALKED ABOUT THE
11:58:21AM METRICS AND HOW WE MEASURE OUR ECONOMIC SUCCESS AND NOT
11:58:25AM NECESSARILY DOING THAT AT MSA LEVEL, BUT HOW IS THE CITY OF
11:58:28AM TAMPA PERFORMING ON THESE PARTICULAR METRICS.
11:58:33AM IT'S BEYOND JUST THE POVERTY AND EDUCATION METRICS.
11:58:36AM LIKE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO -- I'LL GO OFF ON A
11:58:39AM TANGENT NOW.
11:58:40AM BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO ENSURE IS THAT WHEN WE
11:58:43AM PROVIDE RESOURCES AND FUNDING FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS OR
11:58:47AM PARTNER WITH AGENCIES, WE REALLY SHOULD BE FIGURING OUT WHAT
11:58:50AM IS THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT?
11:58:52AM WHAT ARE THE CITIZENS GETTING FROM THAT?
11:58:53AM ARE WE REALLY IMPROVING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR MOST
11:58:58AM DISADVANTAGED CITIZENS?
11:58:59AM AND HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT?
11:59:01AM AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT JUST KIND OF WORKING THROUGH
11:59:04AM THAT WITH BLOOMBERG.
11:59:09AM THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THE TEAM IS THAT THE LONG-TERM
11:59:12AM COMMITMENT HELPS US TO SEE THIS OVER TIME AND TO PUT
11:59:15AM STRATEGIES IN PLACE THAT WE CAN MEASURE THE SUCCESS.
11:59:17AM SO THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, DEVELOPING A
11:59:24AM SHORT-TERM ECONOMIC ROAD MAP.
11:59:26AM THE MAYOR'S WORKFORCE COUNCIL, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
11:59:31AM YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY JUST HAD A WORKFORCE SUMMIT WITH BRENT
11:59:37AM McKENZIE, THAT WORKING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES
11:59:41AM FOR HOW ARE WE ENSURING OUR WORKFORCE THAT WE ARE CAPTURING
11:59:48AM AND TRAINING THE WORKFORCE, THAT'S WORKING WITH HIGHER
11:59:51AM INSTITUTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRAINING OUR STUDENTS
11:59:53AM AND GOING EVEN FURTHER INTO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL
11:59:56AM LEVELS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRAINING OUR STUDENTS TO STAY
12:00:00PM WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT THAT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
12:00:05PM LOOKS LIKE.
12:00:06PM EAST TAMPA, 22nd AND LAKE DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR
12:00:13PM CATALYTIC PROJECTS IN EAST TAMPA TO REALLY REJUMP-START THE
12:00:19PM DEVELOPMENT.
12:00:20PM I'LL WEAR MY REDEVELOPMENT HAT FOR A MINUTE.
12:00:23PM PRIVATE INVESTMENT FOLLOWS PUBLIC DOLLARS.
12:00:26PM THEY FOLLOW PUBLIC INVESTMENT.
12:00:28PM AND SO REALLY WE WANT TO JUMP-START -- EAST TAMPA NEEDS A
12:00:31PM CATALYTIC PROJECT.
12:00:32PM EAST TAMPA NEEDS A BIG WIN TO SHOW PRIVATE INVESTORS THAT
12:00:36PM THEY SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF INVESTING INTO THE EAST TAMPA
12:00:39PM AREA.
12:00:39PM SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WITH BLOOMBERG, LOOKING
12:00:42PM AT DIFFERENT TAX CREDIT FUNDING PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN
12:00:46PM SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT
12:00:50PM WITH THEM.
12:00:50PM AND ALSO USING OPPORTUNITY ZONES, WHICH IS A FINANCE
12:00:56PM MECHANISM TO REALLY LOOK AT PROJECTS WITHIN EAST TAMPA TO BE
12:00:58PM ABLE TO FOCUS ON THAT.
12:01:04PM THERE IS AN INTERNAL MANAGEMENT TEAM.
12:01:06PM THIS TEAM, THEIR EXPERTISE IS REALLY INTERNAL OPERATIONS AND
12:01:09PM REPORTING PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
12:01:11PM WE HAVE FOUR BLOOMBERG EXPERTS ON THIS THAT'S WORKING WITH
12:01:14PM OCEA WYNN'S GROUP.
12:01:16PM THIS IS AROUND THE PROJECT OF CUSTOMER-CENTRIC PERFORMANCE
12:01:20PM SYSTEMS.
12:01:20PM THEY RECENTLY HAD SOME DEPARTMENT INTERVIEWS, DIFFERENT
12:01:26PM DEPARTMENTS WITHIN MY PORTFOLIO WERE INTERVIEWED TRYING TO
12:01:28PM FIGURE OUT NOT ONLY EXTERNAL CUSTOMER INTERFACE, BUT
12:01:32PM INTERNAL CUSTOMER INTERFACE AND HOW DO WE MEASURE OUR
12:01:36PM PERFORMANCE AND RESPONSIVENESS.
12:01:37PM SUSTAINABILITY TEAM.
12:01:43PM ASSESS SUSTAINABILITY BUT A LOT OF IT IS REALLY AROUND
12:01:47PM HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, THE HOUSING SUPPLY INVENTORY.
12:01:50PM THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON.
12:01:54PM COMMUNITY LAND TRUST THAT ALIS DRUMGO IS LEADING AND HAS A
12:01:58PM PRESENTATION COMING TO YOU IN THE BEGINNING OF 2023 ON THIS.
12:02:01PM AND THEN THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WRITING THE SCOPE AND
12:02:04PM MAKING SURE THAT -- CRAFT A SCOPE FOR IN TRYING TO
12:02:09PM UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY THE DATA THAT WE WANT TO CAPTURE TO
12:02:12PM MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS WERE WRITTEN INTO THE SCOPE.
12:02:14PM SO WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO WRITE SCOPE, BUT THEY HAVE
12:02:17PM PROVIDED US WITH BEST PRACTICES AND OTHER MAJOR CITIES THAT
12:02:20PM HAVE DONE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WHAT INFORMATION WAS HELPFUL
12:02:24PM THEN FOR THEM TO ACCELERATE CERTAIN MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT
12:02:26PM AND WE INCLUDED THOSE THINGS IN OUR RFP.
12:02:29PM THE TRANSPORTATION TEAM, ROAD SAFETY, PEDESTRIAN
12:02:34PM INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, BIKE SHARE AND CYCLING
12:02:39PM INFRASTRUCTURE.
12:02:44PM THERE ARE FOUR BLOOMBERG EXPERTS ON THIS.
12:02:46PM THEY WORK WITH VIK DIRECTLY ON THESE PROJECTS.
12:02:48PM WE'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTS THAT ARE TRAFFIC CALMING AND
12:02:51PM PEDESTRIAN SAFETY PROJECTS IN FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS.
12:02:55PM ALSO LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF STREET EXPANSION AND FUTURE
12:02:59PM INTEGRATION OF BIKE LANES AROUND WHITING STREET AND ALSO
12:03:04PM BEING PROACTIVE IN OUR TRAFFIC-CALMING AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY
12:03:08PM AROUND ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY HAPPEN AROUND THE
12:03:12PM TAMPA UNION STATION.
12:03:14PM THE BLOOMBERG URBAN PLANNING TEAM HAS THREE EXPERTS.
12:03:21PM THEY DO A LOT OF THE LONG-RANGE PLANNING, ZONING,
12:03:25PM NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, WATER REVITALIZATION AND
12:03:28PM ACCESS.
12:03:28PM THEY HAVE THREE EXPERTS ON THAT TEAM.
12:03:30PM AGAIN, THIS IS IN MY PORTFOLIO.
12:03:32PM THEY WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH STEPHEN BENSON.
12:03:36PM I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU ABOUT IT IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
12:03:38PM CODE.
12:03:39PM YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM DEVELOPERS.
12:03:40PM YOU FEEL IT AT YOUR EVENING MEETINGS.
12:03:43PM WE HAVE A 30-YEAR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT HAS BEEN ADDED
12:03:46PM TO AND FIXED TO.
12:03:48PM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NOT JUST FOR THE DEVELOPMENT
12:03:50PM COMMUNITY, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND
12:03:55PM WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS, HOW TO USE IT, HOW TO
12:03:59PM FOLLOW IT.
12:03:59PM WE REALLY NEED TO UPDATE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
12:04:02PM IT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN 30 YEARS.
12:04:05PM I SEE WHY.
12:04:09PM ONE OF THE THINGS I SHARE -- I SHARED THIS WITH SOME OF YOU,
12:04:13PM BEFORE TAKING THIS POSITION, SOMEONE THAT USED TO WORK HERE
12:04:17PM CALLED ME AND SAID, YOU'RE VERY AMBITIOUS BUT DON'T TRY AND
12:04:21PM SAVE THE WORLD.
12:04:22PM LEAVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALONE.
12:04:24PM IT'S A BEAST.
12:04:25PM DON'T TAKE IT ON.
12:04:26PM MY RESPONSE WAS, HOLD MY BEER.
12:04:28PM WATCH ME DO IT, RIGHT?
12:04:30PM I JUST KNOW THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS SUPPOSED TO
12:04:35PM WORK NOT JUST FOR DEVELOPERS BUT THE CITIZENS IN THE
12:04:37PM COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE WITH THE FUTURE, WHAT
12:04:40PM THEY WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE.
12:04:42PM I CHALLENGED THE BLOOMBERG TEAM TO, NUMBER ONE, GO IN AND DO
12:04:46PM A FORENSIC AUDIT OF OUR CODE.
12:04:48PM WHERE ARE THERE INEFFICIENCIES IN THE CODE?
12:04:50PM ARE WE BRINGING THINGS TO COUNCIL THAT THEY ARE
12:04:53PM AUTOMATICALLY APPROVING AND JUST BRINGING IT BECAUSE THE
12:04:56PM CODE IS NOT EFFICIENT?
12:04:58PM SO THEY ARE GOING THROUGH AND DOING A FORENSIC AUDIT.
12:05:01PM THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE'RE DOING.
12:05:04PM THEY ALSO STARTED PHASE ONE OF THE PUBLIC -- STAKEHOLDER
12:05:09PM INTERVIEWS, PEOPLE WHO USE THE CODE A LOT TO HEAR ANY
12:05:11PM RECOMMENDATIONS.
12:05:12PM HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT THE CODE?
12:05:14PM SO WE COULD USE THAT INFORMATION TO GUIDE US IN NEXT STEPS
12:05:18PM ON HOW DO WE APPROACH REHAULING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
12:05:23PM I COMPLETELY WENT OFF ON A TANGENT ON THAT.
12:05:26PM MUNICIPAL INTEGRITY IS ONE OF THE OTHER TEAMS.
12:05:31PM THERE IS A GROUP OF THREE BLOOMBERG EXPERTS ON THERE.
12:05:34PM THEY SPECIALIZE IN CONTRACT, TRANSPARENCY, PROCUREMENT
12:05:37PM PROCESS, OPTIMIZATION, INTERNAL OPERATIONS AND REPORTING.
12:05:41PM THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
12:05:45PM FORENSIC AUDIT.
12:05:46PM THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE GOING THROUGH REZONING WAIVERS
12:05:52PM SUBMITTED IN 2021 TO FIND THE DEFICIENCIES.
12:05:54PM THE THINGS I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT, IT'S REALLY THE MUNICIPAL
12:05:57PM INTEGRITY TEAM THAT'S DOING THAT PIECE WHILE WE'RE DOING THE
12:06:01PM STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS.
12:06:03PM ALL OF THIS IS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE OUR CODE EASIER FOR THE
12:06:06PM CITIZENS AND FOR YOU AND YOUR LONG EVENING MEETINGS.
12:06:11PM AND THEN LASTLY, THE LAST TEAM WE'RE WORKING WITH IS THE
12:06:16PM REAL ESTATE TEAM.
12:06:17PM THOSE ARE TWO BLOOMBERG EXPERTS ON THAT.
12:06:22PM AGAIN, THIS IS IN MY PORTFOLIO.
12:06:24PM WE REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT REAL ESTATE AS A STRATEGIC
12:06:27PM PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND TO NOT BE REACTIVE TO REAL ESTATE
12:06:33PM TRANSACTIONS AND DEALS.
12:06:35PM THEY ARE ALSO CONDUCTING INTERDEPARTMENTAL INTERVIEWS
12:06:38PM BECAUSE THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT HANDLES A LOT OF THE
12:06:41PM TRANSACTIONAL THINGS FOR STORMWATER, MOBILITY, IF WE NEED
12:06:45PM RIGHT-OF-WAY.
12:06:46PM A LOT OF THOSE TRANSACTIONAL THINGS, THEY DO DAY TO DAY, BUT
12:06:50PM WE ALSO NEED TO BE VERY STRATEGIC IN OUR LAND ACQUISITION
12:06:53PM AND DISPOSITION AND HOW WE MANAGE ALL OF THOSE ASSETS.
12:06:58PM SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES AND
12:07:01PM ALSO SYSTEMS THAT'S IN PLACE TO MANAGE OUR ASSETS AND NOT AN
12:07:06PM EXCEL SPREADSHEET, RIGHT?
12:07:08PM THIS IS JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING
12:07:12PM ON THAT STAFF WOULD OTHERWISE NOT HAVE TIME TO WORK ON THESE
12:07:18PM TYPES OF INITIATIVES.
12:07:19PM I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT IT MAKES MY JOB A LITTLE EASIER
12:07:22PM BECAUSE A LOT OF THE DAY TO DAY IS REACTIONARY TO WHO IS
12:07:26PM CALLING NOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, AND SOME OF THE
12:07:28PM STRATEGIC, FORWARD-FOCUSED, PLANNING-FOCUSED, I DON'T HAVE
12:07:31PM THE TIME DAY TO DAY TO WORK ON THAT.
12:07:34PM THIS ALLOWS US EXTRA HANDS TO DO THAT.
12:07:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:07:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY COLLEAGUES BUT I'M GOING
12:07:42PM TO REQUEST THAT THEY COME INTERVIEW ME ABOUT CODE
12:07:47PM POSSIBILITY CHANGES BECAUSE I THINK THAT SPEAKING TO US WHEN
12:07:52PM WE'RE UP HERE DOING IT ALL THE TIME WOULD BE REALLY
12:07:56PM WONDERFUL.
12:07:58PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IT'S -- YOU'RE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWED FOR
12:08:02PM THIS.
12:08:02PM THAT WAS JUST PHASE ONE THAT THEY WERE -- BECAUSE WE NEEDED
12:08:05PM TO UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE FELT ABOUT THE CODE TO SHAPE THE
12:08:09PM QUESTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IMPLEMENTING THE CODE AND
12:08:13PM THEN FOR THE RESIDENTS, INTERVIEW RESIDENTS TO SEE HOW THEY
12:08:16PM FEEL ABOUT THE CODE, FIGURING IT OUT AND STUFF.
12:08:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
12:08:22PM THANK YOU.
12:08:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:08:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:08:25PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC TEAM, I THINK WE KIND OF SPOKE
12:08:30PM ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M GLAD TO LOOK AT SOME
12:08:34PM POINTERS IN THERE.
12:08:34PM AGAIN, I WAS AT THAT GALA LAST NIGHT, RECEPTION AND WAS VERY
12:08:44PM INTRIGUED ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
12:08:46PM I'M KIND OF PUZZLED NOW AND SAYING THIS FOR A WHILE IN MY
12:08:50PM MIND.
12:08:50PM OUR EBO DEPARTMENT SHOULD NOT BE UNDER MS. WYNN'S PORTFOLIO.
12:08:54PM IT SHOULD BE UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE
12:08:57PM PORTFOLIO.
12:08:57PM AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, I JUST BELIEVE THAT ECONOMIC
12:09:03PM DEVELOPMENT AND SMALL BUSINESSES, THAT'S A PART OF EBO.
12:09:06PM AND THAT SHOULD BE CLOSE TO YOUR OFFICE.
12:09:11PM IF I'M INTERVIEWED, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN,
12:09:14PM WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES, WHO ARE A
12:09:18PM LITTLE MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN US.
12:09:21PM WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE.
12:09:22PM THEIR DEPARTMENT HEADS CAN DO RFP, RFQ, RFI, IT HAS TO GO
12:09:29PM OUT, IT HAS TO GO TO ANOTHER OFFICE TO OVERSEE AND LOOK AND
12:09:33PM MAKE SURE THAT THE POINTS ARE THERE AND THAT THOSE NUMBERS
12:09:35PM ARE THERE.
12:09:36PM SO YOU HAVE A CROSS-CHECK OF SAYING, OKAY, YEAH, BUT YOU
12:09:39PM MISSED THIS AND THIS AND THIS.
12:09:41PM NO, THAT CAN'T GO OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE MISSING THIS, THIS AND
12:09:45PM THIS.
12:09:46PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: TALKING ABOUT ENSURING THAT SMALL
12:09:47PM BUSINESSES ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE?
12:09:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE YOU GO.
12:09:50PM OFF THE CUFF.
12:09:52PM I'M HOPING THEY LOOK AT THAT STRATEGY AND TAKE THAT BACK TO
12:09:56PM ADMINISTRATION.
12:09:57PM I DON'T BELIEVE THE EBO OFFICE SHOULD BE UNDER THE
12:09:59PM NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT TEAM UNDER THAT PORTFOLIO.
12:10:01PM TO ME, THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
12:10:04PM I BELIEVE THAT WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
12:10:07PM DO WITH OUR SMALL BUSINESSES.
12:10:08PM SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION GOING FORWARD.
12:10:13PM AGAIN, HOPING WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES BECAUSE I BELIEVE IF
12:10:17PM WE LOOK AT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING AND I'M GOING TO
12:10:20PM SUGGEST THAT MAYBE YOUR OFFICE -- WON'T MAKE A MOTION, BUT I
12:10:23PM KNOW THEY ARE LISTENING, THAT THEY GO AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT
12:10:27PM THE ORANGE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM IS DOING AND HOW THEY
12:10:29PM ARE OPERATING AND HOW ORANGE COUNTY IS OPERATING WITH THEIR
12:10:34PM SYSTEM.
12:10:35PM EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM IS APPLAUDING SAYING THAT THEY ARE THE
12:10:39PM NUMBER ONE PEOPLE, OUT OF MIAMI, HOW THEY ARE GETTING SMALL
12:10:45PM BUSINESSES INVOLVED, THE MONEY PROCESS AND THE TRAINING THAT
12:10:49PM THEY ARE DOING.
12:10:50PM AGAIN, IT'S TO ME -- I ALWAYS LIKE TO GO TO TRAININGS
12:10:54PM BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS CAN LEARN SOMETHING NEW.
12:10:56PM WHEN YOU HEAR OTHER IDEAS WORKING AND EVERYONE IN THE ROOM
12:11:00PM IS SAYING, WOW, AND THEY BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW IT'S
12:11:05PM WORKING, THAT'S SOMETHING I ALWAYS LOOK AT AND I THINK WE
12:11:08PM SHOULD LOOK AT AS WELL.
12:11:09PM IF YOU ARE ALL LISTENING, CHECK INTO WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
12:11:12PM AND HOW THE EBO OFFICE IS WORKING.
12:11:16PM THEY CALL IT MINORITY BUSINESS OVER THERE.
12:11:18PM WE CALL IT EBO HERE.
12:11:19PM AGAIN, TO ME, THEY HAD A GREAT SYSTEM.
12:11:22PM THANK YOU.
12:11:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:11:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: STATEMENT AND TWO QUESTIONS.
12:11:27PM ONE, THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
12:11:30PM A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THIS CONTRACT
12:11:33PM AND THE RELATIONSHIP OF BLOOMBERG EMBEDDED IN DEPARTMENTS,
12:11:38PM AND THIS HAS GIVEN US SOME INSIGHTS INTO IT.
12:11:42PM I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MORE DETAILS.
12:11:44PM BEFORE I COMMENT, I WANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM CONSTITUENTS,
12:11:46PM SO ANYBODY WATCHING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON
12:11:50PM THIS.
12:11:50PM THANK YOU, MS. TRAVIS FOR GOING THROUGH THAT.
12:11:53PM TWO QUESTIONS.
12:11:53PM ONE, CAN I ASSUME THAT ALL THE COMMUNICATION WITH THEM AND
12:11:56PM ALL THE WORK PRODUCT IS BEING PRESERVED IN THE PUBLIC
12:11:58PM RECORD?
12:11:59PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: OH, YEAH.
12:12:00PM OH, YEAH.
12:12:01PM IN FACT, THERE'S SOMEONE THAT REGULARLY E-MAILS ME THAT ASKS
12:12:05PM FOR, LIKE, ANY FINAL DOCUMENTS AND I SEND THEM TO THEM.
12:12:11PM YEAH.
12:12:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
12:12:13PM AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS WE'VE SEEN -- THEY HAVE BEEN
12:12:19PM WORKING WITH US 18 MONTHS OR TWO YEARS.
12:12:23PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WELL, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE JANUARY AND THE
12:12:28PM CONTRACT WAS APPROVED IN MARCH.
12:12:29PM JUST SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.
12:12:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION, AND IT TOUCHES
12:12:35PM A COUPLE OF -- YOU MENTIONED.
12:12:37PM DURING THAT TIME, THE ATTACKS BY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AGAINST
12:12:42PM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS ESCALATED RAPIDLY.
12:12:48PM THERE ARE CITY RULES AND STATE LAWS THAT PROHIBIT STAFF FROM
12:12:50PM BEING INVOLVED IN THAT.
12:12:53PM WE HAVE SEEN EVIDENCE FROM SEVERAL SOURCES THAT STAFF HAVE
12:12:56PM BEEN INVOLVED.
12:12:58PM I'M ASKING LEGAL ABOUT THAT.
12:13:01PM BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CONTRACT WITH
12:13:04PM BLOOMBERG THAT PROHIBITS THEM FROM PARTICIPATING IN
12:13:07PM POLITICS.
12:13:10PM THEY ARE NOT GETTING PAID.
12:13:12PM SO PART OF THE PROHIBITION WITH THE EMPLOYEES IS THAT IF
12:13:15PM THEY ARE WORKING ON CITY HOURS AND GETTING PAID BY THE CITY,
12:13:18PM THEY SHOULDN'T BE POSTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR SENDING TEXTS
12:13:20PM OR WRITING FOR A POLITICAL PURPOSE.
12:13:24PM BUT IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CONTRACT THAT PROHIBITS
12:13:26PM BLOOMBERG PEOPLE FROM PARTICIPATING IN THAT?
12:13:28PM AND CAN YOU ENSURE ME THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THE
12:13:31PM ESCALATION OF ATTACKS AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBERS?
12:13:34PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY HAVE NOT.
12:13:36PM I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THEY HAVE NOT.
12:13:38PM I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CONTRACT IN DETAIL TO SEE
12:13:41PM ANY PROHIBITION AS FAR AS POLITICS.
12:13:44PM BUT I INTERACT WITH ALL THE TEAMS, AND I ASSURE YOU THAT
12:13:48PM THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT.
12:13:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE EXAMPLE IS THAT FOR THE LAST EIGHT
12:13:54PM MEETINGS OR SO, EVERY TIME I SPEAK, WE GET A CORRECTION
12:13:57PM AFTERWARDS.
12:13:58PM THE CORRECTIONS ARE ACCURATE, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY A POLITICAL
12:14:01PM TOOL TO TRY TO --
12:14:02PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: -- COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE, BLOOMBERG --
12:14:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO MAKE SURE BLOOMBERG -- SUDDENLY
12:14:07PM THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
12:14:09PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE BLOOMBERG IS NOT PARTICIPATING IN THAT.
12:14:12PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: NO.
12:14:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
12:14:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:14:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS EARLIER, THANK YOU
12:14:16PM FOR THIS.
12:14:17PM CAN WE GET A COPY OF IT?
12:14:19PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: OF COURSE.
12:14:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AWESOME.
12:14:22PM THANK YOU.
12:14:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:14:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:14:25PM AND I'M GLAD COUNCILMAN CARLSON MADE THIS MOTION BECAUSE I
12:14:28PM WAS GETTING A FEW QUESTIONS AND I DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOU
12:14:31PM YESTERDAY AND PROVIDES A LOT OF CLARIFICATION.
12:14:33PM FOR ME, A REAL DISPOSITIVE ISSUE IS WHEN YOU SAY THIS HELPS
12:14:38PM ME DO MY JOB.
12:14:39PM I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
12:14:40PM YOU ARE VERY VALUED HERE, ET CETERA.
12:14:42PM IF THIS HELPS YOU DO YOUR JOB, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
12:14:44PM I THINK HOWEVER GIVEN THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, LIKE I SAID
12:14:47PM YESTERDAY, THAT ARE PRESENTED ON THIS, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO
12:14:50PM HAVE THIS COME BACK PERIODICALLY, MAYBE ONCE A YEAR,
12:14:53PM WHATEVER, FOR UPDATES ON WHAT BLOOMBERG IS DOING, GIVEN
12:14:56PM THOSE QUESTIONS, ET CETERA.
12:14:57PM IT'S FUNNY WHEN THIS PASSED 6-1 IN RETROSPECT, I WISH, I CAN
12:15:03PM ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF THAT MORE SCRUTINY WOULD HAVE BEEN
12:15:06PM APPLIED TO THIS SO WE COULD HAVE MAYBE PREVENTED SOME OF
12:15:09PM THOSE QUESTIONS AND DEALT WITH IT AS YOU'VE DONE IN YOUR
12:15:12PM VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
12:15:13PM IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP TO MAYBE HAVE THIS COME UP FOR
12:15:16PM REVIEW ONCE A YEAR, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, I WOULD BE VERY
12:15:19PM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
12:15:20PM AGAIN, I THANK THE MOTION MAKER AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR
12:15:23PM PRESENTATION.
12:15:23PM THANK YOU.
12:15:25PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: MY PLEASURE.
12:15:26PM IF ANYONE THAT IS WATCHING, I KNOW MS. STROHMEYER SAID SHE
12:15:28PM IS WATCHING, IF SHE HAS QUESTIONS, MORE THAN HAPPY TO SPEAK
12:15:32PM WITH HER AND ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE MAY
12:15:35PM HAVE.
12:15:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:15:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T MENTION, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE NEW
12:15:44PM TAX CREDITS.
12:15:46PM AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AGAIN, I GO BACK TO ORLANDO AGAIN --
12:15:50PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I'M GOING TO GET YOU TO STOP COMPARING.
12:15:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU TOOK LAKELAND TO THE -- THEY USE A LOT
12:16:00PM OF THE NEW TAX CREDITS TO DO A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS, HOUSING
12:16:02PM AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE AREA WITH BBIF AND OTHER
12:16:06PM ORGANIZATIONS TRYING TO COME TO TAMPA TO START MOVING THINGS
12:16:09PM HERE.
12:16:09PM THEY KNOW ABOUT YOU.
12:16:10PM SO THEY WANT TO COME HERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW ABOUT YOU.
12:16:14PM YOU'RE A SUPERSTAR.
12:16:15PM PEOPLE WANT TO WORK AROUND YOU.
12:16:17PM SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.
12:16:19PM I'M HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THAT WITH YOU.
12:16:23PM I WANT TO MAKE MENTION -- A PERSON TOLD ME, WHY ISN'T TAMPA
12:16:28PM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT?
12:16:30PM WHY ARE WE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE?
12:16:32PM I KNOW YOU ARE THE GURU.
12:16:36PM YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THAT SO WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
12:16:38PM THE NEW TAX CREDITS TO LEVERAGE OUR DOLLARS TO GET MORE
12:16:41PM THINGS GOING.
12:16:42PM AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT IN AND SAYING THAT.
12:16:44PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: ABSOLUTELY.
12:16:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
12:16:47PM THANK YOU, MS. TRAVIS.
12:16:50PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:16:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL, WE HAVE MS. JENNIFER COWAN HERE.
12:17:00PM AND SHE HAS BEEN SITTING PATIENTLY HERE.
12:17:04PM BEFORE YOU GET UP, I'M GOING TO MAKE A QUESTION, STATEMENT
12:17:10PM HERE.
12:17:10PM SHE IS WITH THE LEGAL FIRM OF BRYANT MILLER AND OLIVE.
12:17:14PM SHE IS HERE TO ADDRESS AND PRESENT ITEMS 19 THROUGH 23.
12:17:22PM I SEE THAT IT IS 12:20 NOW.
12:17:26PM SHALL WE GET AS MUCH DONE AS WE CAN?
12:17:31PM I.E., THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NOW SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK
12:17:34PM AT 1:30 WE CAN TAKE OUR TIME WITH AGENDA ITEMS 19 THROUGH
12:17:41PM 23.
12:17:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS.
12:17:44PM I THINK WE SHOULD BREAK FOR LUNCH UNTIL 1:30.
12:17:47PM START UP WITH 18, GO RIGHT INTO 19, 20, FOR THE ATTORNEY
12:17:51PM THAT IS HERE, AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH
12:17:56PM IS QUICK, AND THEN WE HAVE ONE REVIEW HEARING.
12:18:01PM ONE REVIEW HEARING THAT STARTS AT 1:30 ANYWAY.
12:18:05PM I THINK IF WE TAKE LUNCH NOW, WE CAN KNOCK OUT THE CHARTER
12:18:11PM STUFF AND ITEM NUMBER 18, AND IT WILL BE SMOOTH SAILING.
12:18:15PM MOTION TO GO INTO RECESS FOR LUNCH UNTIL 1:30.
12:18:23PM >> 1:30 IS TIGHT.
12:18:26PM I MEANT 1:45.
12:18:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE RECESSED UNTIL 1:30.
12:18:32PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:18:33PM [LUNCH RECESS]
1:36:28PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:36:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS
1:36:46PM IS MS. HAILEY JOHNSON.
1:36:49PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING WITH HER
1:36:51PM AND WORKING WITH HER, BUT SHE HAS SERVED THE CITIZENS OF
1:36:54PM TAMPA WELL.
1:36:55PM I AM PROUD TO HAVE MET HER.
1:36:58PM I'M PROUD TO HAVE WORKED WITH HER.
1:37:01PM SHE HAS BEEN THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE FOR ME FOR HOW LONG NOW?
1:37:05PM FOUR MONTHS, SIX MONTHS?
1:37:06PM SINCE AUGUST.
1:37:09PM BUT YOU'RE PART OF THE FAMILY AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
1:37:13PM BEING PART OF THE FAMILY.
1:37:15PM SHE IS A JUNIOR AT USF -- GO BULLS -- AND, AGAIN,
1:37:23PM MS. JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR MY
1:37:28PM OFFICE.
1:37:29PM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND ASSISTED CITY
1:37:32PM COUNCIL.
1:37:32PM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE CITIZENS OF
1:37:34PM TAMPA.
1:37:35PM THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE FAMILY.
1:37:37PM [ APPLAUSE ]
1:37:37PM TODAY IS HER LAST DAY, AND SHE IS LEAVING TO PURSUE HER
1:37:46PM STUDIES.
1:37:47PM SO THIS IS YOUR MOMENT.
1:37:49PM ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY?
1:37:51PM >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO TIM AND YOU, ESPECIALLY.
1:37:56PM IT'S BEEN INTERESTING LISTENING TO ALL YOU GUYS TALK ON
1:37:59PM THURSDAYS.
1:37:59PM [ LAUGHTER ]
1:38:00PM IT'S BEEN INTERESTING, FUN HEARING ALL THE CONVERSATIONS.
1:38:05PM I'VE APPRECIATED IT.
1:38:06PM AND JUST PICKING UP ON THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE WORDS AND HOW
1:38:10PM YOU GUYS SPEAK TO EACH OTHER AND WITH THE LIKE PUBLIC
1:38:13PM SPEAKERS AND THE AUDIENCE AND ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, I'VE
1:38:17PM ENJOYED IT.
1:38:17PM THANK YOU.
1:38:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ARE WELCOME.
1:38:20PM ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING?
1:38:25PM >> DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND GET A PHOTO?
1:38:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
1:38:27PM THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:38:30PM BRILLIANT IDEA.
1:38:34PM >> YEAH, TIM, YOU SHOULD BE IN THE PICTURE.
1:38:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SHOULD BE GO BULLS.
1:39:02PM [ LAUGHTER ]
1:39:03PM IT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU CAN DO THAT.
1:39:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR INDULGING ME
1:39:27PM IN THAT.
1:39:29PM MR. ROSNER, LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18.
1:39:40PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, MR. CHAIR.
1:39:44PM THAT'S OKAY.
1:39:45PM DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR ALIS DRUMGO.
1:39:48PM ROB ROSNER WILL COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH AN UPDATE TO THE
1:39:52PM CBA COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US AT THE LAST MEETING.
1:39:58PM HE WOULD PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW TO GO THROUGH ALL THE
1:40:01PM COMMENTS AND WE'LL LET SUSAN CLOSE US OUT.
1:40:13PM >> CAN WE PULL UP THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE?
1:40:15PM NEXT SLIDE.
1:40:16PM THERE WE GO.
1:40:17PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
1:40:18PM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.
1:40:20PM WE ARE COMING BACK TODAY WITH A FIRST READING OF THE
1:40:23PM ORDINANCE THAT YOU REQUESTED, AND WE TOOK ALL OF THE
1:40:27PM COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE AND ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE
1:40:30PM MADE AND HAVE ENCLOSED THOSE IN A MEMO.
1:40:34PM THIS PRESENTATION WILL IDENTIFY WHAT WAS DIFFERENT FROM OUR
1:40:36PM FIRST PRESENTATION TO TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
1:40:37PM SO THESE FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE GOING TO BE REVIEW JUST
1:40:41PM TO SHOW YOU THESE THINGS ARE STILL THE SAME AND WE'VE
1:40:43PM HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE WHAT'S DIFFERENT.
1:40:45PM SO WITH THAT, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO ENSURE THE
1:40:49PM INCORPORATION OF AGREED UPON CBA ITEMS AS PART OF THE
1:40:53PM COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT THAT'S APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL
1:40:55PM AND TO ALSO BRING TRANSPARENCY TO PROJECTS BEFORE THEY COME
1:40:59PM OUT OF THE GROUND.
1:41:00PM IT STILL APPLIES TO THE SAME WITH THE P-3.
1:41:06PM I'M NOT GOING TO REREAD THIS, BUT THIS IS STILL THE SAME AS
1:41:09PM LAST TIME.
1:41:10PM IT DOES APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, REDEVELOPMENT RENOVATIONS
1:41:13PM AND REHABILITATION.
1:41:14PM SO WHERE WE HEARD YOU IS WHERE WE CHANGED THE THRESHOLDS
1:41:21PM WHERE THE MINIMUM AMOUNTS ARE AT.
1:41:23PM SO INSTEAD OF ONE, TWO, AND -- OR TWO, FOUR AND EIGHT, WE
1:41:28PM WENT WITH 5 MILLION AS THE BEGINNING WITH 20% AT 1 MILLION.
1:41:32PM SO IF SOMEONE RECEIVES A MILLION DOLLARS ON A $5 MILLION
1:41:35PM PROJECT, THEN IT WOULD TRIGGER THE CBA.
1:41:38PM OR IF IT'S AN AUTOMATIC $10 MILLION, THAT'S STILL THE SAME.
1:41:42PM THAT IS THE BIG PIECE HERE.
1:41:43PM THE ONE THING IS THAT WAS ASKED BETWEEN IS THIS ONLY CRA OR
1:41:47PM IS THIS ONLY CITY?
1:41:48PM NO, IT IS NOW COMBINED.
1:41:50PM THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP.
1:41:52PM AND WE INCLUDED IN THE LANGUAGE THAT IT'S EITHER-OR BECAUSE
1:41:55PM THE INCENTIVE COULD COME FROM EITHER PLACE.
1:41:57PM WE'LL MOVE ON.
1:41:58PM THIS IS STILL THE SAME.
1:41:59PM THE PREWORK IS STILL THE SAME, THE DEVELOPER.
1:42:03PM SO ON THIS CHART, THIS SHOWS THE TIERS.
1:42:07PM SAME THING I SHOWED IN THE FIRST ONE EXCEPT IT'S EXTENDED
1:42:11PM OUT TO TIER ONE, TIER TWO, AND TIER THREE, SO IT'S
1:42:14PM 5 MILLION, 10 MILLION, AND 25 MILLION INSTEAD OF WHAT WE HAD
1:42:18PM BEFORE.
1:42:19PM THEN IT CAPS OUT BETWEEN 10 MILLION.
1:42:21PM WE RAISED IT FOR TIER 2 FOR 20 MILLION AND FOR TIER 3,
1:42:27PM 30 MILLION.
1:42:27PM THAT MOVED IT ALL UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE CAN BE A FAIR
1:42:31PM SIZE.
1:42:33PM ANOTHER THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS -- AND I DIDN'T BOLD
1:42:34PM IT HERE, AND I REALIZE I MISSED THAT -- WAS ON THE MBE-SLBE
1:42:39PM REQUIREMENTS THAT IN WORKING WITH OUR EBO DEPARTMENT ABOUT
1:42:41PM THE ORDINANCE THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE FOR THAT, THAT THERE'S
1:42:44PM A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 15%.
1:42:47PM THEN WE PUT STRETCH GOALS ON HERE.
1:42:50PM EACH ONE OF THESE SAYS 15 TO 20, 15 TO 25, OR 15 TO 30 IN
1:42:55PM THAT ORDER FROM TIER ONE THROUGH TIER THREE.
1:42:58PM IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT ORDINANCE, THAT'S WHY
1:43:01PM THERE ARE TWO NUMBERS ON THERE.
1:43:02PM ONE IS THE MINIMUM GOAL AND ONE IS THE STRETCH GOAL.
1:43:05PM OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS STILL THE SAME ON THIS
1:43:08PM MATRIX.
1:43:10PM AND THIS IS TAKING IT AND APPLYING IT TO A PROJECT THAT WE
1:43:13PM DID.
1:43:14PM SO IF ROME YARD CAME TO US WHEN IT WAS NOT AN RFP, BUT IF
1:43:18PM THEY WERE TO COME TO US, VALUING THE 18 ACRES AT ABOUT
1:43:21PM MILLION AND A HALF AN ACRE IN 2020.
1:43:23PM THAT WOULD GIVE US OVER $27 MILLION PROJECT.
1:43:27PM SO THAT WOULD HAVE FIT CLEANLY INTO TIER 2.
1:43:31PM THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED HERE TO SHOW YOU HOW THAT WOULD GET
1:43:33PM APPLIED.
1:43:34PM WHEN THEY COME TO US, HEY, WE NEED YOUR ACREAGE, WE WANT IT
1:43:37PM FOR FREE OR A DOLLAR AN ACRE OR SOMETHING, WE'LL SAY THE
1:43:41PM DIFFERENCE IS 27 MILLION.
1:43:42PM YOU WOULD FIT IN TIER 2.
1:43:44PM THIS IS JUST APPLYING IT AND GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT
1:43:48PM WOULD BE APPLIED.
1:43:49PM THIS IS STILL THE SAME SLIDE.
1:43:50PM HIGHLIGHTED AT THE BOTTOM IS THAT IF IT'S LOCATED IN THE CRA
1:43:53PM DISTRICT, THAT CRA CAC MEMBERS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
1:43:57PM JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO
1:43:59PM INCORPORATE BOTH TOGETHER.
1:44:01PM MOVING ON, THIS IS STILL THE SAME.
1:44:04PM THE PROCESS HADN'T CHANGED EXCEPT FOR WHO GETS INVOLVED.
1:44:09PM AND THEN OUR NEXT RECOMMENDATION IS THE APPROVAL OF FIRST
1:44:13PM READING TODAY, AND THEN PROCEEDING WITH A SECOND READING, I
1:44:17PM WOULD GUESS ON THE 5th, BUT I THINK THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE
1:44:21PM ISSUE.
1:44:22PM WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
1:44:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:44:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, WE'VE COME BACK TO WHAT WE CAN'T DO
1:44:36PM TO WHAT WE CAN DO.
1:44:37PM >>ROB ROSNER: YES, SIR.
1:44:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN 2019, WE WERE TOLD WE COULDN'T DO THIS,
1:44:42PM ONLY WE IN THE CRA.
1:44:44PM OTHER PEOPLE DID IT, SO I GUESS WE KIND OF WAS RIGHT FROM
1:44:48PM THE GET-GO THAT WE COULD DO IT.
1:44:50PM SO I'M GLAD THAT MS. TRAVIS CAME ALONG AND YOUR OFFICE TO
1:44:58PM GET IT DONE FOR THE WHOLE CITY BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
1:45:03PM I'M GLAD I WAS ABLE TO PUT THIS ON THE TABLE AND THIS
1:45:08PM COUNCIL WENT ALONG WITH THE FIRST TIME WITH OUR CRAs.
1:45:11PM I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR DEVELOPERS AS WELL.
1:45:15PM >>ROB ROSNER: ABSOLUTELY.
1:45:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK IT IS A WIN-WIN FOR BOTH PARTIES
1:45:19PM AND COMMUNITIES TO GET SOME THINGS THEY MIGHT WANT TO SEE
1:45:22PM AND DON'T GET A LOT OF FUSSING AND FIGHTING ABOUT A PROJECT
1:45:25PM COMING IN THEIR COMMUNITY, TO WHERE WE'RE GIVING DOLLARS TO
1:45:28PM A PROJECT, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD
1:45:30PM LIKE TO SEE AND HELP OUT WITH THE PROJECT IF THEY CAN.
1:45:33PM I THINK IT IS A WIN-WIN.
1:45:35PM GLAD WE HAVE THIS DONE AND MOVE THIS FORWARD.
1:45:38PM IS JANUARY 5th THE QUICKEST DATE WE GET A SECOND READING
1:45:42PM ON THIS?
1:45:43PM >>ROB ROSNER: DEFER TO MS. VELEZ.
1:45:58PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
1:46:00PM A COUPLE OF THINGS, THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU FOR FIRST
1:46:03PM READING TODAY DOES INCORPORATE ALL THE CHANGES AND REVISIONS
1:46:05PM THAT WE BASED ON COUNCIL'S COMMENTS AT THE WORKSHOP AS WELL
1:46:09PM AS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
1:46:10PM SO THE CLERK USUALLY ANNOUNCES SECOND READING, BUT I DID
1:46:15PM WANT TO ADD THAT IN ADDITION, IF COUNCIL DOES FIRST READING
1:46:19PM TODAY AND THE DATE SET FOR SECOND READING, WE'LL ALSO
1:46:22PM PRESENT TO YOU THE TWO RELATED RESOLUTIONS THAT WE PRESENTED
1:46:25PM AS PART OF THE PACKAGE AT THE OCTOBER WORKSHOP.
1:46:27PM THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE TO CREATE THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
1:46:31PM ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR EACH PROJECT AND DESCRIBE HOW THAT IS
1:46:35PM GOING TO BE, THOSE COUNCILS ARE GOING TO BE CREATED.
1:46:38PM AND THEN ALSO APPROVE THE FORM OF THE COMMUNITY INFORMATION
1:46:41PM SHEET THAT THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY WOULD WORK THROUGH
1:46:43PM TOGETHER TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE, ET CETERA.
1:46:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WHAT WOULD BE THE
1:46:51PM EARLIEST FOR SECOND READING?
1:46:53PM >>THE CLERK: JANUARY 5th DUE TO PUBLICATION.
1:46:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: JANUARY 5th IT IS.
1:46:59PM THANK YOU.
1:47:00PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YOU'RE WELCOME.
1:47:01PM I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE.
1:47:03PM IF COUNCIL FINDS IT ACCEPTABLE, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO PROCEED
1:47:07PM WITH FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE THIS AFTERNOON.
1:47:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
1:47:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO APPROVE.
1:47:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOT TO READ IT.
1:47:13PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO READ THIS.
1:47:16PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18.
1:47:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE NUMBER E2022-8 CH 2.
1:47:25PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
1:47:27PM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO THE
1:47:30PM COMMUNITY BENEFIT PROGRAM, MAKING REVISIONS TO TAMPA CODE OF
1:47:33PM ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 2 (ADMINISTRATION); CREATING ARTICLE XI,
1:47:39PM SECTION 2-850 THROUGH SECTION 2-856; PROVIDING FOR
1:47:45PM SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
1:47:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
1:47:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:47:52PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:47:53PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
1:47:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
1:47:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
1:47:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
1:47:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
1:48:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
1:48:03PM >> CARLSON?
1:48:03PM CITRO?
1:48:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
1:48:05PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
1:48:07PM ABSENT AT VOTE.
1:48:08PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JANUARY 5th,
1:48:11PM 2023, AT 9:30 A.M.
1:48:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
1:48:14PM THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
1:48:17PM >> THANK YOU.
1:48:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
1:48:18PM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT
1:48:21PM MS. JENNIFER COWAN.
1:48:24PM DID I PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME CORRECTLY?
1:48:27PM COWAN.
1:48:29PM THANK YOU.
1:48:29PM SHE IS WITH THE ATTORNEY FIRM OF BRYANT, MILLER AND OLIVE.
1:48:34PM AND SHE IS WITH US TODAY TO PRESENT ITEMS 19 THROUGH 23 AND
1:48:44PM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT BE ADDRESSED BY COUNCIL.
1:48:48PM SHALL WE START WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19?
1:48:54PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
1:48:56PM AND WAS JUST SAID --
1:49:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:49:03PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: I'M SO SORRY.
1:49:05PM I'M JENNIFER COWAN WITH BRYANT, MILLER AND OLIVE.
1:49:08PM BMO WAS RETAINED FOR THE LIMITED PURPOSE OF DRAFTING THE
1:49:12PM ORDINANCES THAT WOULD REFLECT THE FIVE CHARTER REVISIONS
1:49:17PM THAT THIS COUNCIL PUT FORTH.
1:49:19PM IN DRAFTING THOSE, WE REVIEWED THE MEETING VIDEOS, THE
1:49:24PM SUMMARIES, AS WELL AS THE TRANSCRIPTS.
1:49:26PM IN ADDITION, AFTER REVIEWING ALL OF THAT, SOME OF THE FIVE
1:49:33PM WERE VERY CLEAR AND THERE WAS NO QUESTION AS TO WHAT THE
1:49:37PM COUNCIL'S INTENT WERE.
1:49:39PM THERE WERE OTHERS THAT WE BELIEVE THESE CAPTURE YOUR INTENT.
1:49:46PM THERE WAS SOME QUESTION, SO I LEAVE IT TO THE COUNCIL TO
1:49:49PM DETERMINE.
1:49:49PM IN CREATING THESE ORDINANCES, WE DID REVIEW THIS BOTH WITH
1:49:54PM YOUR CITY ATTORNEY AND YOUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, AND THEY
1:50:00PM AGREED THAT THESE ORDINANCES CAPTURED THE COUNCIL'S INTENT.
1:50:03PM SO TO THE FIRST ONE, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE --
1:50:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
1:50:09PM I'M WAITING FOR HER TO LIFT HER HEAD.
1:50:12PM MS. COWAN, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
1:50:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT FOR COUNCIL, I HAD
1:50:21PM MY ASSISTANT KELLY PRINT OUT A COPY OF EACH ORDINANCE.
1:50:24PM I CIRCLED THE ACTUAL RELEVANT INFORMATION.
1:50:26PM SO WHILE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IT, I WILL PASS THEM OUT SO
1:50:28PM EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE.
1:50:31PM I HAVE ENOUGH FOR ONE OF YOU.
1:50:40PM IT'S GENERALLY ON THE SECOND PAGE.
1:50:45PM SO THANK YOU.
1:50:46PM I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY FIRST.
1:50:48PM SO WE DO HAVE COPIES IN FRONT OF US.
1:50:52PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: THE WAY THAT THESE ARE STRUCTURED, SECTION
1:50:54PM 1 ACTUALLY HAS THE CHARTER LANGUAGE AND A STRIKE-THROUGH AND
1:50:58PM UNDERLINE SHOWING THE CHANGE.
1:51:00PM SECTION 2 HAS THE QUESTION THAT WILL BE POSED TO THE
1:51:03PM ELECTORATE.
1:51:04PM SO FOR THE ORDINANCE CHANGING SECTION 5.01, YOU'LL SEE THAT
1:51:15PM THIS ORDINANCE WAS REVISED TO PROVIDE FOR THE HIRING OF
1:51:19PM LEGAL COUNSEL WHO IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE TO SERVE -- I'M
1:51:25PM SORRY, TO ADVISE THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA
1:51:29PM POLICE DEPARTMENT.
1:51:30PM THAT IS WHAT THE LANGUAGE SHOWS.
1:51:36PM IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE OTHER POINT THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH
1:51:39PM BOTH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY IS THAT
1:51:44PM THERE IS AN EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH THIS BOARD.
1:51:49PM IT'S CODIFIED IN SECTION 18-8 OF THE CITY'S CODE, AND IT
1:51:54PM PROVIDES FOR LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
1:51:58PM SO SHOULD THIS BOARD DESIRE, THEY COULD ALSO AMEND THAT
1:52:01PM ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE FOR THE DESIRED LEGAL COUNSEL THAT YOU
1:52:06PM WANT, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW QUICKER AMENDMENT AND POTENTIALLY
1:52:16PM IN LESS TIME AND WITH LESS EXPENSE THAN GOING TO REFERENDUM,
1:52:21PM OR YOU CAN GO FORWARD WITH THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT'S
1:52:23PM BEFORE YOU.
1:52:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
1:52:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE ONLY, IF I MAY, IT SAYS PROVIDE LEGAL
1:52:33PM COUNSEL, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT THE START, WHAT THE HOURLY
1:52:38PM RATE IS GOING TO BE.
1:52:39PM IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE COUNSEL WE'RE GOING TO
1:52:41PM HIRE, WHOEVER THAT PERSON MAY BE.
1:52:44PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: CORRECT, CORRECT.
1:52:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A BLANK CHECK?
1:52:48PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
1:52:49PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: NO, IT'S JUST THAT THE CITY WILL PROVIDE
1:52:52PM THAT COUNSEL TO THE BOARD.
1:52:53PM AS IT'S WRITTEN, IT JUST SAYS THAT THE CITY SHALL PROVIDE
1:53:00PM COUNSEL.
1:53:01PM IN MANY OTHER INSTANCES, YOU MAY HAVE THE CITY THAT PROVIDES
1:53:06PM COUNSEL ON A UNIQUE ISSUE.
1:53:08PM FOR INSTANCE, TODAY, WITH ME STANDING BEFORE YOU AND HAVING
1:53:13PM DRAFTED THESE ORDINANCES, THIS WAS DONE UNDER SPECIAL
1:53:18PM COUNSEL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY.
1:53:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I REALIZE FROM TIME TO TIME THE CITY DOES
1:53:24PM HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OR SOMETHING
1:53:26PM OF THAT NATURE, BUT THIS IS JUST WIDE OPEN.
1:53:28PM I DON'T KNOW.
1:53:30PM I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
1:53:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:53:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE SPEAKERS FROM
1:53:42PM EARLIER THIS MORNING BECAUSE THE ENTIRE POINT, IS THE CITY
1:53:47PM NOT PROVIDING, CRB ABLE TO RETAIN.
1:53:50PM I ACTUALLY HAVE THE LANGUAGE FOR THE OTHER THAT I ASKED THIS
1:53:54PM TO BE BASED ON.
1:53:56PM THE MIAMI CITY CODE, THE ORANGE COUNTY CODE, AND THE KEY
1:53:58PM WEST CHARTER.
1:53:59PM AND THE MIAMI CITY CODE STARTS THE CIP BECAUSE THEY CALL IT
1:54:03PM THE CITIZENS -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NAME.
1:54:08PM BUT THEY CALL IT THE CIP INSTEAD.
1:54:11PM IT SAYS THE CIP SHALL HIRE AN EXPERIENCED AND COMPETENT
1:54:15PM ATTORNEY AT LAW.
1:54:16PM IN THE ORANGE COUNTY CODE, IT SAYS THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD
1:54:18PM IS AUTHORIZED TO RETAIN LEGAL COUNSEL.
1:54:20PM KEY WEST CHARTER SAYS THE CRB MAY RETAIN THE SERVICES OF AN
1:54:25PM ATTORNEY.
1:54:25PM SO IN FOLLOWING THAT VEIN, MAKING SURE IT IS NOT THE CITY
1:54:31PM RETAINING BUT THE BOARD TO KEEP IT COMPLETELY AUTONOMOUS.
1:54:34PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
1:54:36PM I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OUT FOR THE TAMPA POLICE
1:54:38PM DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS ABOUT THE
1:54:41PM POLICE DEPARTMENT.
1:54:42PM I DON'T SEE A NEED TO HAVE THOSE.
1:54:43PM BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OUT THE LANGUAGE FOR THE
1:54:46PM POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT BECAUSE, AGAIN,
1:54:48PM THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, THAT'S WHAT IT DOES ALREADY.
1:54:54PM THOSE ARE THE CHANGES I WOULD MAKE.
1:55:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:55:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
1:55:02PM AND, YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
1:55:04PM I MEAN, I LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I THINK YOU SAID THE
1:55:08PM SECOND PART, WHERE IT SAYS THE CRB IS AUTHORIZED TO, SO THEY
1:55:11PM MAY DO SO.
1:55:12PM AND WITH REGARDS TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT, WHICH IS
1:55:16PM VERY WELL TAKEN ON HAVING IT BE A BLANK CHECK, I MEAN, WHAT
1:55:21PM THIS IS ESSENTIALLY IS GIVING THE CRB.
1:55:23PM I USE THE TERM OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND EVERY ATTORNEY SHOULD BY
1:55:28PM VIRTUE OF THEIR BEING A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA BAR BE
1:55:30PM INDEPENDENT AND HAVE LOYALTY AND WHATNOT TO THEIR CLIENT OR
1:55:36PM CLIENTS.
1:55:36PM BUT OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR THE MEETINGS, WHICH I THINK SHOULD
1:55:40PM BE PRETTY NARROWLY TAILORED, BECAUSE THE MEETINGS DON'T RUN
1:55:43PM TOO DARN LONG.
1:55:45PM THE RESEARCH ISSUES, IF ANY, WOULD BE VERY, VERY LIMITED.
1:55:49PM THE GOING GOVERNMENT RATE IS PROBABLY -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY
1:55:53PM A NUMBER, PROBABLY $200 FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, 205, 210,
1:55:58PM SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
1:55:59PM BUT IN OTHER WORDS, I'M FINE WITH THOSE CHANGES.
1:56:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
1:56:03PM THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD POINT IS WE'RE NOT HIRING A
1:56:06PM FULL-TIME ATTORNEY.
1:56:07PM THEY DON'T -- THEY JUST NEED SOMEONE WHEN THEY NEED SOMEONE.
1:56:10PM SO, YES.
1:56:12PM THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
1:56:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT.
1:56:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:56:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
1:56:19PM ARE WE SAYING WHEN THEY MEET THEY HAVE THEIR ATTORNEY?
1:56:22PM >> YEAH.
1:56:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF THEY ARE MEETING, THEY HAVE THEIR
1:56:25PM ATTORNEY, NOT THEY NEED AN ATTORNEY.
1:56:27PM ALL RIGHT.
1:56:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:56:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:56:31PM AND I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID, SPECIFICALLY COUNCILMAN
1:56:36PM VIERA AND THE MAKER OR THE POTENTIAL MOTION THAT'S COMING.
1:56:41PM THESE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN ONCE A MONTH.
1:56:44PM IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING BILLED.
1:56:47PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOURLY RATE WOULD BE, BUT THE MEETINGS
1:56:50PM MIGHT BE OVER IN TWO HOURS, MIGHT BE AN HOUR, I DON'T KNOW.
1:56:52PM SO THIS WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE BOARD TO BE TRULY INDEPENDENT.
1:56:59PM HAVE A TRULY -- THERE IS NO PERCEPTION OF A BIAS.
1:57:03PM THERE IS NO PERCEPTION OF, WELL, THE CITY CHOSE THIS
1:57:06PM ATTORNEY.
1:57:06PM IT KEEPS IT SEPARATE.
1:57:07PM IT MAKES IT INDEPENDENT.
1:57:09PM I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN THIS.
1:57:15PM I THINK IT HELPS KEEP THE BOARD AS INTENDED TO BE, AND THAT
1:57:20PM IS INDEPENDENT OF THE OPINIONS OF WHOMEVER.
1:57:25PM THEY RETAIN THE ATTORNEY, AND THAT'S IT.
1:57:28PM THANK YOU.
1:57:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
1:57:31PM AND IT IS NOT DEFINED, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO COUNCILMAN
1:57:38PM MIRANDA'S QUESTION, WHOSE BUDGET IS THIS COMING OUT OF?
1:57:42PM IS THIS COMING OUT OF CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET?
1:57:48PM IS IT COMING OUT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA'S BUDGET?
1:57:50PM BUT BEFORE -- MS. ZELMAN, YOU'LL GET UP AND ANSWER THAT, BUT
1:57:56PM I WOULD LIKE AN OPINION FROM THE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE.
1:58:00PM THERE IS A CLAUSE THAT WE HAVE, AND IT STATES THAT THE CRB
1:58:04PM CAN ASK FOR AN OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY FOR A CONFLICT
1:58:13PM OF INTEREST.
1:58:15PM HOW DOES THIS DIFFER FROM CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND CAN THAT
1:58:20PM CONFLICT OF INTEREST -- CAN THE ATTORNEYS THAT ARE ON THE
1:58:26PM LIST THAT THE CITY HAS FOR OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT ATTORNEYS BE
1:58:31PM USED FOR THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST?
1:58:34PM DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE NOW?
1:58:38PM >> I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE QUESTION FOR
1:58:40PM YOUR CITY ATTORNEY.
1:58:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, THEN.
1:58:42PM MS. ZELMAN.
1:58:47PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: JUST TO CLARIFY, ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY
1:58:50PM ATTORNEY.
1:58:50PM A COUPLE OF THINGS, LET ME ADDRESS ONE OF THE MORE MINOR
1:58:55PM ISSUES FIRST.
1:58:57PM TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ASKING WHY THE WORDS "FOR THE TAMPA
1:59:00PM POLICE DEPARTMENT" WAS IN THERE, THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD
1:59:05PM ORDINANCE, SECTION 18-8 OF THE CITY CODE, THE TITLE IS,
1:59:11PM "CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT."
1:59:15PM SO THAT LANGUAGE WAS JUST PUT IN TO MIRROR THE WAY THE
1:59:19PM CURRENT CODE READS.
1:59:20PM THERE WAS NOTHING INTENDED.
1:59:22PM -- NOT INTENDED TO MISLEAD ANYONE.
1:59:25PM I THINK THE ISSUE WE'RE GETTING AT IS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
1:59:30PM THE ONLY ENTITY THAT CAN ENTER INTO CONTRACTS IS THE CITY OF
1:59:35PM TAMPA.
1:59:35PM THE CITY COUNCIL CAN'T INDEPENDENTLY CONTRACT WITH AN
1:59:39PM ATTORNEY NOR CAN ANY BOARD, INCLUDING THE CITIZENS REVIEW
1:59:42PM BOARD.
1:59:44PM SO I THINK WHAT JENNIFER AND MARTY AND I DISCUSSED, WHAT WAS
1:59:50PM TRYING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED HERE IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS
1:59:53PM COUNCIL'S INTENT WAS SIMPLY THE ATTORNEY WOULDN'T BE AN
1:59:58PM EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, SO THEY WOULD HAVE THAT LEVEL
2:00:01PM OF INDEPENDENCE.
2:00:02PM THEY CAN'T TRULY BE INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE
2:00:06PM THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS TO CONTRACT WITH THEM, PAY THEM, AND
2:00:12PM THEY ARE REPRESENTING A BOARD OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:00:16PM PERHAPS A SUGGESTION MAY BE IF WHAT CITY COUNCIL IS TRYING
2:00:20PM TO GET AT IS THAT THEY WANT TO SAY IN PICKING THE ATTORNEY
2:00:25PM RATHER THAN OUR DEPARTMENT PICKING THE ATTORNEY, WE COULD
2:00:31PM HAVE A PROCESS LIKE WHAT YOU ALL DID WITH THE SEARCH FOR
2:00:35PM YOUR CRA DIRECTOR, WHERE THE BODY ITSELF AND IN THIS CASE, I
2:00:39PM GUESS IT WOULD BE THE CRB COULD INTERVIEW THE ATTORNEYS THAT
2:00:42PM THEY ARE SELECTING.
2:00:44PM AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A
2:00:47PM CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:00:49PM AND I THOUGHT THAT THE KEY THING THE COUNCIL WAS TRYING TO
2:00:53PM ACCOMPLISH WAS THAT IT NOT BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF
2:00:57PM TAMPA.
2:00:59PM MY OFFICE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER.
2:01:02PM AND THEN ONE FINAL COMMENT TO JENNIFER'S POINT, THIS COULD
2:01:10PM BE ACCOMPLISHED BY AMENDING SECTION 18-8 WITHOUT TOUCHING
2:01:15PM THE CHARTER, WHICH, AS SHE SAID, WOULD BE A LOT FASTER.
2:01:19PM WOULDN'T REQUIRE A REFERENDUM.
2:01:21PM WOULDN'T REQUIRE A RUSH TO GET IT ON THE BALLOT, JUST AS AN
2:01:24PM ASIDE.
2:01:25PM AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
2:01:29PM AND THEN, FINALLY, AS TO THE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT YOU
2:01:32PM MENTIONED FROM ORANGE COUNTY AND KEY WEST, KEY WEST, THEY
2:01:35PM HAVE A WHOLE CHARTER PROVISION FOR THEIR CITIZENS REVIEW
2:01:39PM BOARD.
2:01:41PM WE DON'T.
2:01:43PM IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ONES, LIKE THE ORANGE
2:01:46PM COUNTY ONE, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE PANEL CAN SELECT THE
2:01:50PM ATTORNEY WITH THE FUNDING TO BE PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY
2:01:53PM COMMISSION.
2:01:53PM SO I MEAN AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S STILL AS IT WOULD BE
2:01:57PM HERE.
2:01:58PM STILL THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS HIRING OR PAYING OR
2:02:01PM CONTRACTING WITH THE ATTORNEY BUT IF YOU WANTED THE BOARD TO
2:02:05PM HAVE MORE SAY IN THE SELECTION PROCESS, THERE WOULD BE A WAY
2:02:08PM TO WRITE THAT IN.
2:02:10PM PROBABLY BETTER TO PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE THAN IN THE
2:02:13PM CHARTER, BUT THAT'S FOR YOU ALL TO DECIDE.
2:02:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION.
2:02:19PM WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE.
2:02:20PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU HAVE IT IN PLACE FOR CONFLICT COUNSEL,
2:02:23PM CORRECT.
2:02:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN THE BOARD CAN SAY, SORRY, WE DON'T WANT
2:02:27PM YOU TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THIS CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
2:02:30PM NOW WE'LL GO AND GO OUTSIDE WITH THE LIST OF ATTORNEYS WHO
2:02:33PM ARE ALREADY THERE.
2:02:33PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: RIGHT.
2:02:35PM NOW, THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT IS THE CITY
2:02:37PM ATTORNEY WHO HAS TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
2:02:39PM JUST TO BE FAIR.
2:02:40PM I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS YOU WANT THE
2:02:42PM BOARD TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION.
2:02:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: STEP ASIDE, WE HAVE A CONFLICT HERE.
2:02:47PM THAT'S HOW I'M READING IT.
2:02:50PM >> NO.
2:02:52PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NO, NO.
2:02:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION
2:02:55PM ON.
2:02:55PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WELL, CURRENTLY, THAT ONLY APPLIES TO WHEN
2:02:59PM THERE IS A CONFLICT.
2:03:00PM I THINK WHAT MS. HURTAK IS TRYING TO SAY IS WHAT THIS
2:03:05PM PROPOSAL WAS INTENDED TO ADDRESS WAS JUST FULL-TIME.
2:03:07PM JUST FULL-TIME, KIND OF AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL AS THE BOARD'S
2:03:12PM ATTORNEY, NOT ONLY IN CASES OF CONFLICT.
2:03:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FULL-TIME MEANING WHENEVER THEY ARE NEEDED,
2:03:19PM NOT FULL-TIME, FULL-TIME.
2:03:21PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT.
2:03:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD THIS LANGUAGE BE BETTER, THE CRB SHALL
2:03:26PM RETAIN LEGAL COUNSEL WITH FUNDING TO BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY
2:03:30PM WHO IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE TO SERVE AS A LEGAL ADVISOR TO
2:03:33PM THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
2:03:35PM IF WE ADDED THAT LANGUAGE JUST TO CLARIFY, YES, WITH FUNDING
2:03:39PM TO BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY.
2:03:42PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I'M SORRY.
2:03:43PM CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN?
2:03:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE CRB SHALL RETAIN LEGAL COUNSEL WITH
2:03:47PM FUNDING TO BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY WHO IS NOT A CITY
2:03:51PM EMPLOYEE TO SERVE AS THE LEGAL ADVISOR TO THE CITIZENS
2:03:54PM REVIEW BOARD.
2:03:56PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AGAIN, RETAIN IMPLIES THEY WOULD BE
2:03:59PM CONTRACTING WITH THAT ATTORNEY, BUT ONLY THE CITY CAN
2:04:02PM CONTRACT WITH THE ATTORNEY.
2:04:03PM SO I THINK SOMETHING LIKE SHALL SELECT, SOMETHING.
2:04:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SELECT.
2:04:09PM I'M HAPPY WITH THAT WORD "SELECT."
2:04:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:04:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THIS WORKS, THIS WORKS.
2:04:22PM I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IF THIS WERE NOT TO WORK THAT THE CRB
2:04:28PM NOMINATE AN ATTORNEY OF THEIR CHOOSING THAT'S NOT A CITY
2:04:31PM ATTORNEY AND THEN IT COMES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL
2:04:34PM APPROVAL, BEING THEY ARE CONTRACTING WITH THE CITY AND THE
2:04:36PM MONEY IS COMING FROM US SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT.
2:04:40PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARY OR POSSIBLE IF THIS DOESN'T
2:04:44PM FLY.
2:04:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, THAT'S --
2:04:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:04:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:04:49PM AND WHEN I SERVED ON THE CIVIL SERVICE REVIEW BOARD, WE HAD
2:04:55PM AN ATTORNEY WHO WAS AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY.
2:04:57PM OURS WAS DELANO STUART, GOD BLESS HIM, A GREAT GUY.
2:05:04PM IT WASN'T A FULL-TIME JOB.
2:05:05PM PROBABLY DID IT TWO, THREE, FOUR HOURS A MONTH.
2:05:08PM THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK A REASONABLE INTERPRETATION OF
2:05:10PM THIS IS.
2:05:11PM AND ALSO REMEMBER, AGAIN -- AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE MAKER
2:05:14PM OF THE MOTION -- THAT THE CRB DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO
2:05:18PM THIS.
2:05:19PM IT'S IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THIS.
2:05:22PM IN TERMS OF THE CONFLICT ISSUE, THERE'S WHAT I CALL SMALL C
2:05:26PM CONFLICT AND BIG C CONFLICT.
2:05:28PM THE BIG C CONFLICT IS IF THERE IS A DIRECT CONFLICT OF
2:05:31PM INTEREST THAT GOES ON THAT IMPLICATES SOMETHING THAT STARTS
2:05:34PM A LEGAL, ETHICAL PROCESS.
2:05:37PM I THINK WHAT THE LARGER POINT THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MAKING
2:05:39PM HERE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS ON THIS ISSUE IS
2:05:43PM THAT THERE IS FOR A BOARD LIKE THIS, THERE OUGHT TO BE AN
2:05:49PM OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHO IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE.
2:05:51PM I THINK THAT IS A VERY REASONABLE POSITION TO TAKE.
2:05:54PM I ALWAYS SUPPORTED THAT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
2:05:57PM TO ENTER THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT, CHAIRMAN CITRO, THE POINT OF
2:06:03PM CONFLICT, THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ADDRESSING.
2:06:05PM THIS IS ADDRESSING THE APPEARANCE OF NONINDEPENDENCE AND FOR
2:06:09PM A BOARD LIKE THIS, APPEARANCE IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY
2:06:14PM RELEVANT.
2:06:15PM SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THIS AS SUCH.
2:06:17PM THANK YOU.
2:06:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:06:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
2:06:22PM I APOLOGIZE.
2:06:23PM SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE AND I HAVE IT
2:06:29PM FOR YOU.
2:06:29PM FOR THE UNDERLINES TO BE THE CRB SHALL SELECT LEGAL COUNSEL
2:06:36PM WITH FUNDING TO BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY, WHO IS NOT A CITY
2:06:39PM EMPLOYEE, TO SERVE AS THE LEGAL ADVISOR TO THE CITIZENS
2:06:42PM REVIEW BOARD.
2:06:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
2:06:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
2:06:50PM HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:06:54PM IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
2:06:55PM MR. SHELBY.
2:07:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LOGISTICALLY, COUNCIL, I WANT TO BE CLEAR
2:07:04PM HOW THIS IS HANDLED SO WE CAN PUT IT WITHIN THE TIME FRAME
2:07:07PM NECESSARY TO GET IT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.
2:07:09PM I SPOKE WITH THE CLERK THIS MORNING.
2:07:10PM WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE OF PUBLICATION FOR SECOND READING.
2:07:13PM AND THE DATE FOR PUBLICATION, THE WAY THE PUBLICATIONS WORK
2:07:17PM IS DECEMBER 21st, IS THAT CORRECT?
2:07:19PM THAT WOULD BE THE SOONEST IT COULD BE ADVERTISED.
2:07:25PM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
2:07:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
2:07:29PM ON DECEMBER 23rd IT GETS PUBLISHED.
2:07:32PM THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL JANUARY 5th BECAUSE
2:07:35PM SHORTLY THEREAFTER I BELIEVE IT'S THE CUT OFF TIME.
2:07:43PM IT HAS TO BE AT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS I BELIEVE BY THE
2:07:45PM 20th.
2:07:46PM I'LL DOUBLE CHECK.
2:07:47PM IT DOES HAVE TO GO OVER TO THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION
2:07:57PM AS WELL.
2:08:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
2:08:04PM HURTAK.
2:08:04PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:08:06PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
2:08:07PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:08:09PM I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO PUT ON YOUR LIGHT.
2:08:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST ONE MORE CLARIFICATION, THEN, AND I
2:08:17PM GUESS THAT WOULD GO TO YOU, MS. COWAN.
2:08:19PM IF THESE CHANGES ARE MADE TODAY TO THIS OR ANY OF THE OTHER
2:08:22PM ORDINANCES, WHEN WOULD IT THEN BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL FOR
2:08:27PM FIRST READING CONSIDERATION?
2:08:32PM >> I UNDERSTOOD THIS IS YOUR FIRST READING.
2:08:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE --
2:08:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS TOLD WE COULD MAKE CHANGES BETWEEN
2:08:40PM FIRST AND SECOND READING.
2:08:41PM THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS THAT SOME OF THIS WE
2:08:44PM WERE GOING TO FLESH OUT HERE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
2:08:48PM READING.
2:08:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR.
2:08:51PM IF THAT IS THE UNDERSTANDING, I WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR
2:08:54PM ABOUT THIS SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING.
2:08:57PM DOES -- IF IT REQUIRES A TITLE CHANGE --
2:09:01PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: IF YOU CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO TAKE OUT
2:09:04PM "FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT," IT WILL REQUIRE ANOTHER
2:09:07PM FIRST READING BECAUSE YOU'LL CHANGE THE TITLE BLOCK.
2:09:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
2:09:11PM THEN WE CAN KEEP "FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT."
2:09:14PM THAT'S FINE.
2:09:16PM OR I'M SORRY.
2:09:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:09:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE DO THAT THEN BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN WHAT
2:09:23PM I CONSIDER A LOT OF MISINTERPRETATIONS OF THE CHARTER, I
2:09:26PM THINK WE SHOULD CLARIFY SOMEWHERE THAT IT -- THAT THIS
2:09:34PM ATTORNEY WOULD WORK WITH THE CRB, NOT WITH THE POLICE
2:09:37PM DEPARTMENT.
2:09:41PM IT'S AN OBVIOUS THING, BUT WE HAD FOUR YEARS OF SETTLEMENTS
2:09:48PM SIGNED OUTSIDE THE CHARTER REQUIREMENTS.
2:09:49PM YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
2:09:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:09:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
2:09:54PM I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
2:09:56PM YOU HAVE A LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT IS HERE RIGHT NOW.
2:09:58PM YOU HAVE A LEGAL DEPARTMENT UPSTAIRS RIGHT NOW.
2:10:00PM HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE BEEN HERE AND THEY MADE A CHANGE AND
2:10:04PM BROUGHT THE ORDINANCE RIGHT BACK DOWN THE SAME DAY AND WE
2:10:07PM MAKE THE CORRECTIONS THE SAME TIME.
2:10:09PM HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE DONE THAT?
2:10:11PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS TIME FRAME BECAUSE IF SHE'S MAKING
2:10:13PM THE CHANGES NOW, BY THE TIME WE GET DOWN TO PROBABLY THE
2:10:17PM LAST CHARTER, NUMBER 23 OR WHATEVER, THEY CAN HAVE THAT BACK
2:10:21PM TO US WITH THAT CHANGE.
2:10:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT MAY BE TRUE, SIR.
2:10:25PM BUT IN THIS CASE, AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY'S FIRM WAS RETAINED TO
2:10:30PM BE ABLE TO DO THIS, NOT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
2:10:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXCUSE ME.
2:10:34PM YOU CAN'T TELL ME SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY --
2:10:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
2:10:41PM I'M NOT DISAGREEING OR DISPUTING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
2:10:44PM I'M SAYING THE LOGISTICS -- CLEAR ON IT.
2:10:47PM THE CLERK HAD ANOTHER VERY INTERESTING WAY WE MAY BE ABLE TO
2:10:50PM HANDLE THAT.
2:10:51PM IF WE READ THE TITLE AND DONE THIS RECENTLY, READ THE TITLE
2:10:54PM AS CORRECTED, THE CHANGES COULD BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND
2:10:57PM SECOND READING TO COMPORT IT, IS THAT CORRECT?
2:11:03PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: WHAT I'LL TELL YOU IS NORMALLY WHEN YOU
2:11:06PM HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU PUBLISH THE
2:11:10PM AGENDA TO THE PUBLIC AND IT'S A FIRST READING AND YOU CHANGE
2:11:14PM THAT ORDINANCE, SO LONG AS THE CHANGES YOU MAKE ARE NOT
2:11:16PM SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE TITLE BLOCK, YOU DON'T HAVE
2:11:19PM A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD.
2:11:21PM WHEN YOU CHANGE THE TITLE BLOCK IS NORMALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TO
2:11:25PM COME BACK AND KIND OF START ANEW WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR FIRST
2:11:30PM READING AGAIN AND THEN YOUR SECOND READING.
2:11:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:11:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: NEVER MIND.
2:11:37PM SORRY.
2:11:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:11:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
2:11:40PM JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I SAY WE GO WITH THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL.
2:11:43PM WE EITHER CHANGE SOMETHING THAT CHANGES THE TITLE, WHICH --
2:11:47PM UNLESS IF I MISUNDERSTOOD COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SHE WISHED TO
2:11:51PM GO AS WE HAVE IT NOW, OR WE CHANGE IT AND WE WAIT ANOTHER
2:11:54PM WEEK.
2:11:54PM WE HAVE LAND USE HEARINGS IN TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
2:11:58PM SO I SUGGEST THAT WE GO.
2:11:59PM I DEFER TO THE ADVICE ON COUNCIL -- ADVICE OF COUNSEL ON THE
2:12:06PM CHOICES WE HAVE.
2:12:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:12:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THIS IS PART OF THE TITLE BLOCK, THEN THAT
2:12:13PM IS -- THE PROBLEM IS SEVERAL OF THESE ORDINANCE HAVE STUFF
2:12:25PM IN THE TITLE BLOCK THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
2:12:28PM THAT'S QUITE HONESTLY AS I'M LOOKING THROUGH THESE AND AS WE
2:12:32PM WILL BE DISCUSSING THEM, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OTHER THINGS
2:12:35PM THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE TITLE BLOCK.
2:12:36PM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES ANYWAY.
2:12:41PM SO THE ISSUE IS --
2:12:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
2:12:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD FINISH THAT SENTENCE AND NOT TO
2:12:50PM INTERRUPT.
2:12:51PM BUT THE ISSUE IS CAN THESE CHANGES BE MADE AND DONE IN A
2:12:55PM FORM OR FASHION THAT COMPORTS WITH THE FLORIDA LAW THAT
2:12:58PM REQUIRES HOW THIS WILL BE PASSED AND ADOPTED, IF THAT'S
2:13:01PM COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, ON SECOND READING AND MAKE PUBLICATION.
2:13:04PM SO WHY DON'T WE PROCEED AND THEN WE CAN SEE HOW THINGS CAN
2:13:07PM WORK LOGISTICALLY.
2:13:08PM YOU MENTIONED NEXT WEEK'S MEETING.
2:13:11PM NEXT WEEK IS A CRA MEETING UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT
2:13:14PM YOU WANT TO DO A SPECIAL CALL OR ADD TO THE NIGHT MEETING
2:13:17PM AGENDA.
2:13:18PM THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS.
2:13:19PM BUT LET'S SEE WHAT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS AND WE WILL SEE
2:13:22PM WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
2:13:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:13:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: CONSIDERING HOW THESE DATES HAVE BEEN PUSHED
2:13:34PM AND PUSHED AND PUSHED, I WOULDN'T -- I WOULD PREFER NOT TO
2:13:39PM PUSH IT AGAIN.
2:13:40PM I DON'T WANT TO PUT LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT BE MISLEADING OR
2:13:44PM CONFUSING IN THERE.
2:13:46PM BUT CONSIDERING THAT THE CHARTER WAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY
2:13:49PM WITH TWO PARAGRAPHS IN A 2018 MEMO BY A CITY ATTORNEY, I
2:13:54PM WOULD REQUEST -- YOU MADE A MOTION ON THIS, RIGHT?
2:13:58PM MAYBE I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO ADD THAT
2:14:02PM YOU WOULD REQUEST -- IF YOU INCLUDE THE TITLE BLOCK THE WAY
2:14:05PM IT IS, THAT YOU WOULD ADD TO IT A REQUEST THAT THE CITY --
2:14:08PM THE CURRENT CITY ATTORNEY WRITE US A MEMO FOR THE FILE THAT
2:14:13PM WOULD SAY THAT HER INTERPRETATION IS THAT THIS ATTORNEY
2:14:19PM WORKS FOR THE CRB, NOT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
2:14:23PM BECAUSE SOME FUTURE CITY ATTORNEY MAY MISREAD THAT THE WAY
2:14:27PM OTHERS HAVE.
2:14:33PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY, THE NAME OF THE BOARD IS THE
2:14:37PM CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
2:14:40PM FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT MODIFIES CITIZEN REVIEW
2:14:44PM BOARD.
2:14:45PM IT DOESN'T MODIFY WHO THE ATTORNEY WORKS FOR.
2:14:47PM THE ATTORNEY WORKS FOR THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE
2:14:51PM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
2:14:52PM THAT'S THE NAME OF THE BOARD.
2:14:54PM WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE ON SOMETHING ALREADY IN THERE.
2:14:59PM THAT IS THE NAME OF THE BOARD.
2:15:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PUT IT IN
2:15:02PM WRITING SO SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE COULD REFER TO IT.
2:15:04PM WE HAVE SO MANY WHAT I WOULD CALL MISINTERPRETATIONS LIKE
2:15:08PM THE LINE THAT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE
2:15:12PM FINAL WORD ON LEGAL OPINIONS.
2:15:13PM AND THAT'S BEEN MISCONSTRUED TO PRETEND -- TO IMPLY THAT THE
2:15:17PM CITY ATTORNEY IS THE SUPREME COURT OF THE CITY AND MAKES
2:15:20PM JUDGMENTS AND RULINGS, AND THEY ARE JUST LEGAL ADVISORS.
2:15:25PM THERE'S EMPHASIS THERE ON FINAL OPINION VERSUS LEGAL ADVICE.
2:15:29PM AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY IN THE FUTURE
2:15:32PM MISCONSTRUES THIS BECAUSE A LOT OF POWER HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY
2:15:35PM FROM CITY COUNCIL.
2:15:35PM IT'S NOT ABOUT TAKING POWER AWAY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
2:15:37PM ABOUT TAKING AWAY POWER -- RESTORING POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL
2:15:41PM AND MAKING SURE NOBODY TAKES POWERS AWAY IN THE FUTURE.
2:15:44PM THANK YOU.
2:15:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:15:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, THIS -- [INAUDIBLE]
2:15:51PM LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS WHERE YOU COME IN.
2:15:53PM I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW.
2:15:54PM I CARE ABOUT YOU TELLING THIS BOARD AND GIVING US THE
2:15:59PM DIRECTIVE TO MOVE ON.
2:16:01PM THAT'S WHAT WE RELY ON YOU FOR.
2:16:03PM NOT TO BE NICE OR PLAY NICE.
2:16:06PM THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY DO.
2:16:08PM I NEED YOU TO BE THE COACH TO DO YOUR JOB TO TELL US WHAT
2:16:11PM YOU BELIEVE MS. HURTAK ARE THE RIGHT DIRECTIVE TO MOVE, FOR
2:16:14PM THIS LADY TO KNOW WHAT SHE NEEDS DO, FOR THIS COUNCIL TO
2:16:17PM KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
2:16:18PM THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
2:16:19PM I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP TO SAY, COUNCIL, IN MY
2:16:22PM OPINION, THIS IS THE ROUTE WE SHOULD GO TO GET WHAT YOU WANT
2:16:25PM ACCOMPLISHED TO GET IT ON THE BALLOT, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE
2:16:26PM MOVED TO GET THE JOB DONE.
2:16:28PM I NEED YOU TO BE THE COACH.
2:16:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
2:16:30PM WITH REGARD TO WHAT MS. ZELMAN SAID WITH THE NAME OF THE
2:16:35PM TITLE BEING IN THERE FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT
2:16:39PM IS SOMETHING THAT I ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP BECAUSE OF THE FACT
2:16:42PM THAT IS THE TITLE WITHIN THE CITY CODE.
2:16:48PM THERE IS, AS WAS STATED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE OTHER
2:16:53PM JURISDICTIONS THAT WERE CITED, MIAMI, KEY WEST, THOSE ARE
2:17:01PM PERHAPS A DIFFERENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAN WE HAVE IN THE
2:17:03PM CITY OF TAMPA.
2:17:04PM THAT IS OPERATING UNDER A DIFFERENT CHARTER.
2:17:07PM OUR CHARTER HAS NOTHING ANYWHERE IN IT NOW THAT USES THE
2:17:12PM WORD CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, CRB.
2:17:16PM AND THAT COMES FROM HOW THIS BOARD WAS CREATED.
2:17:20PM AND RATHER THAN, AND IF WE HAD MAYBE MORE OF THE LUXURY OF
2:17:23PM TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, IF IT WERE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE
2:17:29PM AND THE PROCESS WENT THROUGH AND IT WAS VETTED PROPERLY,
2:17:31PM MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE, THAT HAVE BEEN
2:17:34PM CITED BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, RELATING TO A CIVILIAN
2:17:38PM REVIEW BOARD, MAYBE THE NEXT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION OR
2:17:41PM HOWEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT.
2:17:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WHAT ABOUT NOW?
2:17:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW I HAVE DIFFERENT VARIABLES THAT I AM
2:17:48PM CONCERNED WITH.
2:17:49PM IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOU
2:17:53PM DON'T WANT THAT IN THERE, IF YOU DON'T WANT -- WHAT YOU
2:17:56PM DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY
2:17:59PM MISPERCEPTIONS OR MISCOMMUNICATIONS BY THE PUBLIC.
2:18:01PM YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING MISLEADING ON YOUR CHARTER BALLOT OR
2:18:05PM THE BALLOT SUMMARY.
2:18:06PM THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
2:18:08PM YOU'RE ALSO LIMITED JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THE NUMBER OF
2:18:11PM WORDS THESE THINGS CAN HAVE IN IT.
2:18:13PM SO THAT ALL BEING SAID, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THERE IS ONE
2:18:18PM PUBLICATION IN THE CITY THAT DOES LEGAL ADVERTISING THAT
2:18:22PM THIS CITY RETAINS.
2:18:24PM IT PUBLISHES ONE DAY A WEEK.
2:18:25PM WE'RE IN A HOLIDAY SEASON, AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED THAT
2:18:30PM THIS HAS TO BE SUCH THAT IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THESE
2:18:33PM EFFORTS AND YOU WANT TO MAKE IT ON THE BALLOT, WE HAVE TO
2:18:37PM MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THAT TIME.
2:18:42PM MY SUGGESTION IS, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, STATE WHAT IT IS YOU
2:18:46PM THINK IS NECESSARY AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE
2:18:51PM GOING TO HANDLE THE TIME FRAME TO BE ABLE TO GET IT BACK TO
2:18:54PM YOU.
2:18:55PM SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF THAT LANGUAGE, IF YOU FEEL IT
2:18:59PM IS MISLEADING AND IF MS. ZELMAN WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, I SAY
2:19:04PM THEN EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE IT IS IN THIS SECTION BECAUSE
2:19:09PM THERE'S NO OTHER SECTION WHERE IT COULD FIT INTO, IT FITS
2:19:12PM INTO THAT DEPARTMENT.
2:19:12PM SO MY SUGGESTION IS, AS A COUNCIL, WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP, YOU
2:19:19PM TELL US WHERE YOU WANT IT TO GO AND IF IT MEANS US HAVING TO
2:19:22PM WORK WITH BRYANT MILLER AND OLIVE TO GET IT TO YOU IN A
2:19:26PM TIMELY FASHION, IF IT MEANS CHANGING THE COUNCIL SCHEDULE TO
2:19:30PM GET IT INTO A TIMELY FASHION, WE WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES IN
2:19:33PM ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH FLORIDA LAW TO GET THIS ON
2:19:36PM THE BALLOT IN A TIMELY FASHION.
2:19:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
2:19:39PM THEN I WILL STICK WITH MY MOTION AS STANDS.
2:19:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
2:19:47PM HURTAK.
2:19:48PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:19:50PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
2:19:52PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
2:19:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:19:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
2:19:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:20:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:20:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:20:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:20:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
2:20:06PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
2:20:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20.
2:20:11PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:20:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: DOES THAT MEAN WE NEED TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER
2:20:17PM FIRST READING OR ARE WE OKAY?
2:20:19PM IF WE SCHEDULE SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW, TODAY.
2:20:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE'RE NOT AT FIRST READING YET.
2:20:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:20:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE COULD HAVE A FIRST READING POSSIBLY ON
2:20:39PM THE 8th.
2:20:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE COULD.
2:20:42PM I HAVE NOT TALKED WITH COUNCIL ABOUT IT.
2:20:45PM WE MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO HAVE A FIRST READING THIS EVENING IF
2:20:50PM SUCH A THING WERE POSSIBLE.
2:20:52PM I DON'T KNOW.
2:20:54PM OR WE COULD HAVE IT NEXT WEEK.
2:20:56PM BUT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT POINT.
2:20:59PM AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S AHEAD OF US IN TERMS OF --
2:21:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE
2:21:04PM HORSE HERE.
2:21:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. COWAN.
2:21:10PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: OKAY.
2:21:11PM THE NEXT ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU IS AMENDING SECTION 2.02,
2:21:16PM QUALIFICATIONS.
2:21:17PM AND IT'S ADDRESSING THE TERM LIMITS OF THE CITY COUNCIL
2:21:20PM MEMBERS.
2:21:21PM CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION WAS VERY CLEAR ON THIS, TO DELETE THE
2:21:24PM END OF THE SECTION THEREBY LIMITING ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY
2:21:27PM COUNCIL TO SERVE TWO CONSECUTIVE FULL TERMS, ELIMINATING THE
2:21:31PM ABILITY TO IMMEDIATELY RUN AND SERVE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER FOR
2:21:35PM A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
2:21:37PM I BELIEVE IT WAS REFERRED TO AS DISTRICT HOPPING, AND THIS
2:21:42PM PROPOSED LANGUAGE REMOVES THAT.
2:21:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
2:21:47PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:21:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, AND I
2:21:55PM THINK IT WAS MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO OR SO THE COUNCIL MADE A
2:22:01PM MOTION IF PEOPLE RESIGNED FROM COUNCIL TO RUN FOR OTHER
2:22:05PM SEATS, AND IF THEY LOST, THEY COULDN'T COME AND JUMP -- YOU
2:22:09PM KNOW, IF IT WAS A NOVEMBER ELECTION THEY WERE RUNNING FOR,
2:22:11PM THEY COULDN'T LOSE AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE MARCH
2:22:14PM ELECTION.
2:22:14PM THEY WOULD HAVE TO SIT OUT FOUR YEARS.
2:22:16PM I THINK THIS GOES WITH THAT, ALONG THE LINES OF THAT.
2:22:22PM WE HAVE TERM LIMITS.
2:22:23PM WE HAVE TWO FULL CONSECUTIVE TERMS AND THEN A COUNCIL MEMBER
2:22:28PM IS ALLOWED TO GO TO ANOTHER SEAT IF IT'S OPEN, BUT THIS
2:22:32PM WOULD LIMIT IT BEGINNING IN 2027.
2:22:35PM I DON'T SEE ANY HARM OR FOUL IN THIS.
2:22:38PM THANK YOU.
2:22:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:22:43PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:22:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
2:22:45PM LET'S SAY YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUMP SHIP OR GO
2:22:53PM SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHEREVER YOUR MIND MAY TAKE YOU, YOUR BODY
2:22:56PM WANTS TO GO, RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF
2:23:00PM TAMPA.
2:23:00PM YOU WANT TO RUN FOR A JUDGE, RUN FOR STATE ATTORNEY, YOU
2:23:02PM WANT TO RUN FOR COUNTY COMMISSION, YOU WANT TO RUN FOR
2:23:06PM WHATEVER, THAT IF YOU LEAVE BEFORE YOUR TERM IS ENDING IN
2:23:09PM THE CITY, THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS, THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT OUT
2:23:11PM FOUR YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN RUN.
2:23:13PM THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS, THIS SECTION HERE.
2:23:16PM THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
2:23:18PM AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
2:23:20PM I'M SAYING THAT IF YOU DO THIS, YOU'LL HAVE VERY FEW
2:23:24PM INDIVIDUALS THAT UNDERSTOOD WHAP TEN YEARS PAST THE TIME
2:23:29PM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING.
2:23:31PM LEAVE LIKE THE LIBRARY IS EMPTY.
2:23:32PM YOU GO FOR SOMETHING, NOT GOING TO FIND IT.
2:23:35PM IN FACT, THERE'S A THING THAT I REALLY BELIEVE IN AND
2:23:40PM ADMIRE, THAT EVERY FOUR YEARS YOU MAY WANT TO RUN BUT YOU
2:23:45PM MAY NOT GET ELECTED.
2:23:46PM THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THAT AND THE PUBLIC DOES IT
2:23:49PM IN A WELL-MANNERED SITUATION.
2:23:51PM SO I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS.
2:23:55PM IT'S JUST THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO VOTE YOU UP OR VOTE YOU
2:24:00PM DOWN.
2:24:00PM AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC.
2:24:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:24:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION A
2:24:11PM COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED
2:24:15PM DURING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND WERE REJECTED.
2:24:21PM AND I DID NOT PROPOSE THIS ONE, BUT DURING JUST FOR
2:24:24PM DISCLOSURE, DURING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, I
2:24:27PM RECOMMENDED FOUR, NO MORE THAN FOUR CONSECUTIVE TERMS.
2:24:30PM SO THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO BE IN THE DISTRICT AND ROLL
2:24:34PM TO A CITYWIDE.
2:24:36PM I'M FINE WITH THIS ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE EITHER THE FOUR
2:24:43PM TERMS OR TWO TERMS, BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE TURNOVER OF
2:24:47PM PEOPLE.
2:24:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:24:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M OPEN TO THAT AMENDMENT AS WELL.
2:24:54PM THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
2:24:55PM BECAUSE I THINK THAT BALANCES KNOWLEDGE AND TIME.
2:25:02PM SO I'M ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT.
2:25:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:25:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BRINGS UP A GOOD
2:25:09PM POINT.
2:25:09PM ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND THERE ARE ELECTIONS EVERY
2:25:13PM FOUR YEARS.
2:25:14PM IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE INDIVIDUAL, THERE IS ANOTHER
2:25:16PM CANDIDATE.
2:25:17PM THE OTHER CANDIDATE WINS.
2:25:19PM I DON'T KNOW.
2:25:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
2:25:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, AND FOR WHATEVER
2:25:29PM WEIGHT THIS HAS, I MAKE NO COMMENT.
2:25:31PM BUT JUST A REMINDER THAT TAMPA IS UNIQUE IN ONE GREAT SENSE;
2:25:35PM IT DOES NOT HAVE STAGGERED TERMS.
2:25:37PM I'M NOT FAMILIAR, FRANKLY, WITH ANOTHER JURISDICTION IN THE
2:25:40PM STATE THAT DOES NOT HAVE STAGGERED TERMS.
2:25:43PM EVERYBODY IS ON THE BALLOT EVERY FOUR YEARS.
2:25:46PM WHAT THE PRACTICAL EFFECT MIGHT HAVE IN TERMS OF
2:25:49PM INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY OR THINGS DOWN THE ROAD, I CAN'T SAY
2:25:52PM AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPECULATE, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT
2:25:56PM IT'S UNLIKE ANY OTHER JURISDICTION THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH.
2:26:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:26:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN I HEARD THE WORD, ALL THIS DOES NOT
2:26:06PM COME FROM A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
2:26:08PM WE SOME YEARS BACK AND, IN FACT, PUT THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE
2:26:14PM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND IT WAS OVER TEN.
2:26:17PM I FORGET -- I KNOW THE MAYOR HAD SO MANY, THE COUNCIL HAD SO
2:26:20PM MANY AND THEN WHATEVER.
2:26:22PM THEY BROUGHT THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US.
2:26:25PM IN THIS CASE, IT'S US BRINGING THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO
2:26:28PM OURSELVES.
2:26:28PM AM I CORRECT?
2:26:29PM SO THAT'S FLAWED IN ITSELF.
2:26:33PM THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENCY.
2:26:34PM THAT'S NOT COMING FROM SOMEBODY OTHER THAN THAT US.
2:26:36PM NOT COMING FROM A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE APPOINTED TO DO A
2:26:39PM RESPONSIBLE -- AND THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB.
2:26:41PM IN FACT, FOUR OF THEM ARE HERE.
2:26:43PM THREE HERE AND ONE THERE, IF I CAN COUNT TO FOUR.
2:26:46PM AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS I SEE.
2:26:48PM SO THAT COMMISSION IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS.
2:26:52PM IN ORDER TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY, SOMEBODY OTHER
2:26:55PM THAN US DOING THIS.
2:26:56PM WE'RE DOING THIS OURSELVES.
2:26:57PM THAT'S IN REVERSE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THING WAS WAY BACK FOUR,
2:27:01PM FIVE YEARS AGO, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
2:27:04PM THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
2:27:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RESPECT WHAT MR. MIRANDA HAS JUST STATED,
2:27:13PM BUT WHEN THAT COMMISSION WAS PUT IN ORDER, NO CITY COUNCIL
2:27:17PM MEMBERS WERE ON THAT COMMISSION.
2:27:19PM SO THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WENT THROUGH AND THE
2:27:22PM INFORMATION WE WAS GIVEN AND NOT GIVEN.
2:27:25PM NOW SITTING AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, I CAN SEE SOME OF THE
2:27:29PM FLAWS IN THAT PROCESS.
2:27:34PM AND THERE ARE A FEW.
2:27:37PM AND NOW SITTING AS THE ACTUAL BOARD MEMBER, SEEING SOME OF
2:27:41PM THE THINGS WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY REVIEW ALL OF
2:27:45PM THE CHARTER, BUT SEEING SOME OF THE INTERPRETATIONS OF HOW
2:27:48PM WE OPERATE AND THIS BOARD WORKS, WE MISSED SOME THINGS.
2:27:55PM I'M GLAD THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS TERM TO
2:27:59PM SEE, TO BE ABLE TO ARGUE SOME POINTS, BUT, AGAIN, THE
2:28:06PM CHARTER IS NOT PERFECT.
2:28:10PM IT DOES HAVE SOME VAGUENESS TO IT AND INTERPRETATIONS TO
2:28:15PM ONE.
2:28:16PM SO I THINK BEING CLEAR ON SOME OF THE ISSUES MAKES IT
2:28:19PM BETTER.
2:28:20PM SO PEOPLE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT MEANS VERSUS
2:28:24PM BROAD PERSPECTIVE.
2:28:25PM I CAN LOOK AT A POLICE SOP.
2:28:27PM SOME THINGS ARE CLEAR CUT.
2:28:29PM SOME THINGS LEFT TO INTERPRETATION.
2:28:33PM THE WRITER WHO IS GIVING DISCIPLINE OR WHOEVER WRITES.
2:28:38PM ANYBODY CAN BE DISCIPLINED.
2:28:41PM DEPENDS ON HOW THE WRITER IS AND HOW THEY PERCEIVE THE
2:28:43PM PERCEPTION OF IT.
2:28:44PM NO DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S IN THIS CHARTER.
2:28:47PM SO, AGAIN, I SAT ON THAT BOARD.
2:28:51PM SEVERAL MEMBERS HERE.
2:28:52PM MS. ZELMAN SAT ON THE BOARD.
2:28:54PM I STILL CONTEND THAT SOME OF THE STUFF IN OUR CHARTER WE
2:28:59PM MISSED AND HAD WE KNOWN WHAT WE KNOW NOW, THINGS MIGHT HAVE
2:29:03PM BEEN DIFFERENT AND MAYBE WE HAD SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM
2:29:06PM THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL THAT TELLS WHAT THEY THOUGHT WE MIGHT
2:29:10PM ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES.
2:29:11PM I DON'T KNOW.
2:29:11PM BUT I THINK WE MISSED A FEW THINGS.
2:29:14PM BUT GLAD THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW
2:29:17PM JUST TO MOVE FORWARD.
2:29:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN WE'LL GO TO
2:29:20PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:29:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IF WE WANTED TO FOLLOW WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER
2:29:27PM CARLSON SAID, WE COULD SIMPLY TAKE AWAY THE LINES THAT ARE
2:29:32PM GONE THROUGH IN THIS LANGUAGE UP AT THE TOP OF WHAT YOU'RE
2:29:36PM LOOKING AT AND JUST ADD, TO NOT EXCEED A TOTAL OF 16 YEARS
2:29:39PM OR FOUR FULL TERMS.
2:29:40PM SO THE LANGUAGE WE STRUCK THROUGH, EXCEPT FOR THAT PERSON
2:29:50PM WHO IS REPRESENTED, WE COULD KEEP ALL OF THAT AND THEN JUST
2:29:54PM ADD TO NOT EXCEED A TOTAL OF 16 YEARS OR FOUR FULL TERMS.
2:29:58PM WOULD THAT WORK?
2:30:00PM COULD WE DO THAT INSTEAD?
2:30:06PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT CHANGE.
2:30:07PM IT WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING.
2:30:08PM YOU'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING ON THIS AS WE'VE
2:30:11PM TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
2:30:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THE ONLY ISSUE I
2:30:15PM HAVE IS THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WOULD BE CHANGED TO ELIMINATING
2:30:19PM THE ABILITY OF MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL WHO HAVE SERVED FOUR
2:30:23PM CONSECUTIVE FULL TERMS TO IMMEDIATELY RUN.
2:30:25PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: NO, I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME OTHER
2:30:29PM LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE CHANGED IN THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE
2:30:31PM REALLY CLEAR TO THE VOTERS WHAT IT WAS VERSUS WHAT IT'S
2:30:34PM BECOMING.
2:30:35PM SO THERE WOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE PROPOSED FOR
2:30:37PM THAT.
2:30:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, DOES THAT WORK FOR
2:30:41PM YOU?
2:30:41PM DO YOU LIKE THAT AMENDMENT?
2:30:43PM IF NOT, I CAN TAKE IT OUT.
2:30:44PM I'M FINE WITH FOUR TERMS, FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY OF
2:30:48PM LIKE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:30:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:30:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY THING IS THERE ARE SITUATIONS LIKE
2:30:53PM LOUIS FACED WHERE HE FILLED TWO YEARS OF AN EXISTING TERM.
2:30:58PM IF HE GOT ELECTED, THE FIFTH TIME, THEN HE WOULD HIT 16
2:31:04PM YEARS AND CAPPED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A TERM.
2:31:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU'RE CORRECT.
2:31:07PM TO NOT EXCEED A TOTAL OF FOUR FULL TERMS.
2:31:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: FOUR CONSECUTIVE TERMS.
2:31:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOUR FULL CONSECUTIVE TERMS.
2:31:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:31:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE REASON I VOTED FOR THIS THE FIRST TIME, IT
2:31:23PM MAKES THIS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT APPLIES TO THE MAYOR, AND I
2:31:26PM THINK THAT'S GOOD.
2:31:27PM I THINK TO CAP IT AT 16 YEARS WOULD BE MISGUIDED.
2:31:30PM IT WOULDN'T BE A POISON PILL FOR ME BUT THINK MISGUIDED.
2:31:35PM THERE IS SOMETHING FOR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
2:31:37PM I THINK WHEN YOU ALLOW SOMEONE TO HAVE A FOUR-YEAR BREAK,
2:31:40PM LIKE WE DO WITH MAYOR, YOU OPEN THE FIELD, WHICH I THINK THE
2:31:44PM WHOLE IDEA OF TERM LIMITS.
2:31:46PM THERE'S ALWAYS ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST TERM LIMITS AND
2:31:49PM WHATNOT.
2:31:50PM A LOT OF PEOPLE ARGUE FOR IT IN CONGRESS, BUT FOR 34 YEARS,
2:31:53PM FROM 63 TO 97 WE WERE REPRESENTED IN TAMPA BY SAM GIBBONS,
2:31:59PM ONE OF THE GREATEST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AROUND WHO DID SUCH
2:32:02PM GREAT WORK FOR TAMPA.
2:32:04PM SO THERE'S ALWAYS GOOD, THINGS ON BOTH SIDES.
2:32:07PM I THINK TO CAP IT AT 16 YEARS OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE WOULD
2:32:10PM BE MISGUIDED, AGAIN, NOT A POISON PILL FOR ME.
2:32:13PM BUT I DO THINK THAT IS MISGUIDED.
2:32:15PM WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, IN SUPPORTING THIS THE FIRST TIME WAS
2:32:18PM TO HAVE THIS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DO FOR THE EXECUTIVE.
2:32:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND THEN COUNCILMAN
2:32:26PM MIRANDA -- COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND THEN COUNCILMAN
2:32:30PM MIRANDA.
2:32:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS THINKING OVER THE PAST 60, 70
2:32:35PM YEARS.
2:32:36PM HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVED MORE THAN THE TWO OR THREE
2:32:40PM TERMS.
2:32:40PM I CAN ONLY THINK OF FOUR.
2:32:42PM SAUL-SENA, MIRANDA, COPELAND, AND DUNCAN.
2:32:47PM COPELAND AND DUNCAN HAVEN'T BEEN IN OFFICE SINCE THE '70s.
2:32:50PM WHATEVER.
2:32:51PM YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
2:32:53PM THE CHANCES ARE SLIM -- YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
2:32:56PM AGAIN, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, AND WE'VE HAD MANY
2:32:59PM COUNCIL MEMBERS OVER THAT TIME PERIOD AND A VERY SMALL GROUP
2:33:04PM HAS CONTINUED.
2:33:06PM IS IT EVEN NECESSARY?
2:33:07PM I DON'T KNOW.
2:33:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:33:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
2:33:12PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT ELECTIONS, LOOK AT THE CONGRESS AND THE
2:33:14PM PRESIDENT.
2:33:15PM THE PRESIDENT CAN ONLY SERVE TWO TERMS, PERIOD.
2:33:19PM AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU CAN SERVE FOUR AND LOSE.
2:33:23PM I GUESS YOU CAN COME BACK.
2:33:24PM BUT THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, AND THERE'S WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE
2:33:31PM STAYS.
2:33:31PM WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT, WHETHER YOU LIKE PELOSI OR
2:33:34PM NOT, WHETHER YOU LIKE THE GENTLEMAN FROM KENTUCKY OR NOT,
2:33:37PM THEY ARE THERE.
2:33:38PM AND LIKE THE NEW SPEAKER COMING UP NOW, THAT'S ANOTHER --
2:33:42PM WHOEVER WILL BE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE, THAT'S THERE.
2:33:45PM AND THOSE DON'T CHANGE BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT CAN CHANGE,
2:33:47PM BUT THAT'S THE LEADER.
2:33:49PM THE REST OF THEM THEY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE.
2:33:51PM SAME THING WE DO HERE IN A WAY.
2:33:53PM SO WE WANT TO CHANGE IT AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT GOING TO
2:33:56PM SUPPORT THIS.
2:33:57PM NEVER WENT BEFORE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT I KNOW
2:34:00PM NOW.
2:34:00PM WE'RE MAKING CHANGES NOT QUITE FOUR YEARS OUT WITH THE
2:34:03PM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO US AND
2:34:06PM SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS, IF I RECALL.
2:34:09PM I HAVEN'T READ IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I RECALL.
2:34:12PM NOW WE'RE DOING IT IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS, AND THAT'S
2:34:15PM WHAT -- THERE'S NO CHARTER COMMISSION.
2:34:17PM WE'VE TAKEN OVER THAT.
2:34:19PM NOT DIRECTLY, BUT INDIRECTLY.
2:34:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:34:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A COMMENT ON THAT.
2:34:28PM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION CREATED THE CHARTER REVIEW
2:34:31PM COMMISSION TO COME BACK, SO THE PROCESS BEFORE THAT WAS CITY
2:34:35PM COUNCIL WOULD MODIFY AND THE LAST CITY COUNCIL, WHICH
2:34:37PM SEVERAL OF YOU SERVED ON CREATED THE CHARTER REVIEW
2:34:41PM COMMISSION.
2:34:41PM SO WE'RE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL RULES, NOT THE ONES
2:34:44PM CREATED BY THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
2:34:46PM AND WE HAPPEN TO HAVE UNIQUE EXPERTISE.
2:34:50PM I WON'T REVISIT ALL THE THINGS THAT I HAD PROPOSED, BUT THE
2:34:54PM INTENT OF WHAT I WAS SAYING A MINUTE AGO ABOUT THE FOUR
2:34:57PM CONSECUTIVE TERMS IS IF YOU CHANGE THIS AND JUST TAKE OUT
2:35:04PM TWO AND PUT FOUR, THEN ALL IT WOULD SAY IS AFTER FOUR
2:35:10PM CONSECUTIVE TERMS YOU HAVE TO SIT OUT FOR FOUR YEARS.
2:35:12PM SO IT DOESN'T -- I THINK THE PROPOSAL I HAD SEVERAL YEARS
2:35:17PM AGO WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS FOUR TERMS TOTAL
2:35:20PM EVER.
2:35:22PM BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO MODIFY THIS, WHAT I WOULD PUT IS
2:35:25PM THAT IT WOULD BE FOUR CONSECUTIVE FULL YEAR TERMS AND THE
2:35:31PM REST SAME.
2:35:32PM AFTER FOUR CONSECUTIVE TERMS, SIT OUT FOR FOUR YEARS BEFORE
2:35:35PM THEY CAN RUN AGAIN.
2:35:36PM I DON'T CARE.
2:35:37PM I DON'T PLAN ON RUNNING MORE THAN TWO ANYWAY.
2:35:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:35:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M FINE WITH KEEPING IT AS-IS OR DOING FOUR.
2:35:46PM IT'S REALLY THE PLEASURE OF MY COLLEAGUES.
2:35:51PM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:35:53PM I'M FINE WITH EITHER.
2:35:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:35:58PM I JUST HAVE TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT.
2:36:03PM I MEAN TO OFFEND NO ONE, ESPECIALLY OUR OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT
2:36:06PM ATTORNEY THAT IS HERE WITH US.
2:36:09PM THERE ARE FOUR MEMBERS ON THIS COUNCIL THAT SERVED ON THE
2:36:12PM CHARTER REVIEW, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT
2:36:15PM SERVED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW.
2:36:19PM 13 MONTHS -- 13 MONTHS WE SPENT DELIBERATING ON THE CHANGES
2:36:26PM THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PUT TOGETHER.
2:36:29PM AS WE'VE ALREADY SEEN HERE, WE'RE MAKING CHANGES NOW AS
2:36:34PM WE'RE GOING.
2:36:40PM I'M FEELING THAT THIS ALSO MIGHT BE RUSHED.
2:36:43PM AGAIN, I MEAN NOTHING -- NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY
2:36:47PM OUR OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL THAT WE HAVE NOW.
2:36:51PM WE HAVE THE MAYOR.
2:36:54PM WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL, ALL ELECTED AT THE SAME TIME.
2:36:58PM I'VE HEARD MANY TIMES, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO HAVE A NEW
2:37:01PM MAYOR AND ALL NEW CITY COUNCIL.
2:37:03PM WE CAN START AFRESH.
2:37:07PM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 8 PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING, NO KNOWLEDGE
2:37:13PM OF INSTITUTIONAL WITHIN THE CITY.
2:37:15PM AND THAT MAYOR MAY COME IN AND WIPE OUT THE WHOLE STAFF,
2:37:20PM WHICH WOULD MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO
2:37:24PM YEARS OF GAINING THAT INFORMATION.
2:37:27PM I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AS WRITTEN.
2:37:31PM I COULD SUPPORT THE FOUR TERMS, BUT NOT THIS.
2:37:35PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
2:37:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY MOTION WILL BE TO STRIKE THE STRIKES AND
2:37:47PM ADD TO NOT EXCEED A TOTAL OF FOUR FULL CONSECUTIVE TERMS.
2:37:51PM AND THEN THE LANGUAGE AT THE BOTTOM WOULD JUST CHANGE SERVE
2:37:55PM FOUR CONSECUTIVE FULL TERMS TO TWO CONSECUTIVE FULL TERMS TO
2:37:59PM FOUR CONSECUTIVE FULL TERMS.
2:38:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
2:38:05PM HURTAK.
2:38:06PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:38:09PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:38:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:38:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:38:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:38:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:38:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
2:38:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
2:38:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
2:38:20PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO, MIRANDA,
2:38:23PM AND CITRO VOTING NO.
2:38:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21.
2:38:33PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE YOU IS AN ORDINANCE
2:38:37PM ADDRESSING SECTION 9.01, AND THIS IS THE CREATION OF
2:38:43PM STANDING BOARDS.
2:38:44PM BASICALLY, THE ONLY CHANGE IN THIS ORDINANCE WAS CLARIFYING
2:38:58PM THAT THE STANDING BOARD WILL BE CREATED BY CITY COUNCIL BY
2:39:01PM ORDINANCE WITHOUT THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION.
2:39:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:39:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:39:11PM I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO THE SUMMER OF 2015 WHEN THE ISSUE
2:39:18PM OF CREATING THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD THAT WE DISCUSSED
2:39:22PM EARLIER TODAY, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH
2:39:25PM BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, THE
2:39:29PM CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR REGARDING WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY
2:39:31PM TO CREATE BOARDS.
2:39:33PM AND THE OPINIONS WE GOT, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, NOW SEVEN AND
2:39:36PM A HALF YEARS AGO, WAS THAT ONE OF THE OPINIONS WAS THAT THE
2:39:40PM CITY COUNCIL HAD THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE THE BOARD.
2:39:42PM THE MAYOR AT THE TIME DISAGREED WITH THAT PER THE RESPONSE
2:39:46PM FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT ONLY THE MAYOR HAD THE AUTHORITY
2:39:49PM TO CREATE THE BOARD.
2:39:51PM IT BECAME A HEATED DISCUSSION.
2:39:54PM I THINK WE CAME TO A STALEMATE AND THE BOARD WAS CREATED BUT
2:39:59PM IT CAME DOWN TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL AS TO HOW
2:40:03PM MANY APPOINTEES TO THAT BOARD THEY WOULD HAVE IN ORDER TO
2:40:06PM KEEP IT BALANCED.
2:40:07PM WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT.
2:40:08PM WE'VE AMENDED THAT SINCE, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
2:40:11PM CRB IN REGARDS TO INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY NOW.
2:40:14PM SO THIS IS A SEVEN AND A HALF YEAR DISCUSSION, BUT FROM WHAT
2:40:17PM I REMEMBER, THERE WERE DIFFERING OPINIONS.
2:40:19PM ONE ATTORNEY SAID THAT WE HAD THE AUTHORITY.
2:40:23PM THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID THAT, NO, AND THAT ONLY THE MAYOR
2:40:25PM COULD CREATE THE BOARD.
2:40:27PM I'LL WAIT TO HEAR WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO SAY
2:40:32PM ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER AND MY UNDERSTANDING.
2:40:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
2:40:38PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:40:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS NOW, THIS
2:40:43PM COUNCIL DOESN'T NEED THE MAYOR'S APPROVAL TO CREATE A BOARD.
2:40:46PM WE CAN DO IT BY ORDINANCE.
2:40:48PM AM I RIGHT, MR. SHELBY?
2:40:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE FULL ANSWER IS UNDER THE HOME-RULE
2:40:53PM AUTHORITY, YOU AND YOUR LEGISLATIVE ABILITY HAVE THE RIGHT
2:40:56PM TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE.
2:40:58PM THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE MAYOR'S REMEDY IF SHE DOES NOT
2:41:00PM LIKE THAT ORDINANCE?
2:41:02PM THE ANSWER IS IN THE CHARTER AND THAT IS THE VETO.
2:41:05PM AND THERE IS A PROCESS FOR A VETO AND THERE IS A PROCESS FOR
2:41:08PM IN THE EXERCISE OF ITS LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY IF IT DISAGREES
2:41:11PM WITH THE MAYOR'S VETO, CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERRIDE IT.
2:41:14PM THERE'S BEEN A QUESTION OF INTERPRETATION AS TO WHAT THIS
2:41:19PM CHARTER -- EXCUSE ME, WHAT THIS PROVISION IN THE CHARTER
2:41:22PM DOES.
2:41:23PM DOES IT THEN LIMIT THE ABILITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE
2:41:27PM A BOARD WITHOUT THE PRIOR APPROVAL, THE PRE-APPROVAL, IN A
2:41:31PM SENSE, OF THE MAYOR, BUT EVEN AFTER THAT CASE, THE MAYOR
2:41:35PM STILL HAS THE RIGHT TO VETO IT.
2:41:38PM OR DOES IT MEAN THAT, FOR INSTANCE, THIS IS UNDER A SECTION
2:41:43PM OF 9.01, IS THAT THE SECTION?
2:41:45PM THAT'S UNDER THE SECTION OF BOARDS.
2:41:49PM IT DOES NOT SAY CITY COUNCIL BOARDS.
2:41:51PM IT DOES NOT SAY MAYORAL BOARDS, BUT THE QUESTION IS, DOES
2:41:55PM THAT APPLY EQUALLY TO THE MAYOR AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL?
2:41:59PM AND THERE WAS QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT DID AND THERE WAS A
2:42:02PM QUESTION -- AND THIS WAS RAISED IN I BELIEVE 2018, WAS IT?
2:42:06PM WHAT THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT SENTENCE WAS AND HOW WAS IT
2:42:12PM APPLIED?
2:42:13PM AND THAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN INTERPRETATION QUESTION.
2:42:18PM AND THIS WAS A PROPOSED FIX TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT CLEAR AS
2:42:21PM TO WHAT THE AUTHORITY IS RELATED TO STANDING BOARDS AND
2:42:25PM AD HOC BOARDS.
2:42:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION, WHAT I'M
2:42:31PM READING RIGHT NOW, THIS PROVISION RIGHT NOW, IF PASSED
2:42:36PM TODAY, THIS COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PUT A STANDING
2:42:43PM BOARD IN PLACE AS ORDINANCE, CORRECT?
2:42:47PM I NEED MY YES-NO ANSWER.
2:42:49PM IF IT'S NOT CLEAR, THEN THAT'S THE POINT.
2:42:51PM LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR IF WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT.
2:42:54PM I DON'T WANT TO PASS SOMETHING AND STILL WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON
2:42:56PM THE INTERPRETATION.
2:42:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY TO THE
2:43:00PM INTERPRETATION IN THE CITY IS THE QUESTION?
2:43:01PM IS IT THE VOTERS OR IS IT -- THE QUESTION ULTIMATELY IS --
2:43:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
2:43:06PM IF I PUT SOMETHING TO THE VOTERS, THE VOTERS KNOW WHAT THEY
2:43:10PM ARE CHECKING, YES, NO, SAYING THIS COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY
2:43:13PM TO MAKE ANY BOARD THEY WANT IN THE CITY BY ORDINANCE.
2:43:16PM THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
2:43:17PM I WOULDN'T CARE IF THE MAYOR DISAGREED WITH MY BOARD OR NOT,
2:43:20PM IF THIS COUNCIL WANTED TO ENACT SOME TYPE OF BOARD, AND WE
2:43:23PM PASSED IT, HE OR SHE COULD VETO ALL DAY LONG, BUT THIS BOARD
2:43:27PM COMES BACK WITH A FIVE VOTE COUNT POINT, THAT BOARD PASSES,
2:43:32PM CORRECT?
2:43:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE MY INTERPRETATION.
2:43:33PM THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION YOU WANT TO POSE TO THE CITY
2:43:36PM ATTORNEY.
2:43:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T NEED TO POSE IT TO THE CITY
2:43:40PM ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW.
2:43:40PM IF THIS BOARD RIGHT NOW, THIS YOUNG LADY RIGHT HERE TO WRITE
2:43:46PM OUR CHARTER ORDINANCE TO PUT ON THE BALLOT, IS IT STANDING?
2:43:50PM IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT -- MA'AM, I'LL ASK YOU THAT
2:43:53PM QUESTION.
2:43:53PM IF THIS BOARD IS ASKING YOU TO WRITE IN THE CHARTER FOR THE
2:43:58PM VOTERS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO ENACT ANY BOARD WE
2:44:03PM WANT IN ORDINANCE AND THE VOTERS VOTED THAT, WOULD THAT BE
2:44:06PM THE STANDING INTERPRETATION?
2:44:08PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: AS THE LANGUAGE IS CHANGED, IT WOULD BE
2:44:10PM THAT, YES, THAT THE BOARD COULD BE CREATED BY ORDINANCE.
2:44:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN --
2:44:18PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: YES, THE BOARD WOULD BE CREATED BY
2:44:20PM ORDINANCE AND THEN HOWEVER YOUR ORDINANCE PROCEEDS.
2:44:22PM I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOUR VETO POWERS AND ALL OF THAT.
2:44:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:44:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK I CAN CLARIFY.
2:44:28PM I HOPE I CAN CLARIFY.
2:44:29PM SO MY OPINION, THIS IS NO ATTORNEY'S OPINION.
2:44:33PM WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD FROM BEING HERE IN 2015 WHEN THIS
2:44:36PM DISCUSSION CAME UP, CITY COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE
2:44:38PM THE BOARD.
2:44:39PM THE MAYOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO VETO THAT.
2:44:42PM WITH A FIVE VOTE SUPERMAJORITY, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN
2:44:46PM OVERRIDE THE VETO.
2:44:48PM WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT SITUATION WAS THE LAST ADMINISTRATION
2:44:51PM NEVER USED THE VETO POWER.
2:44:54PM IN THE SITUATION WITH THIS BOARD, AN AGREEMENT WAS MADE.
2:44:58PM THE MAYOR PROPOSED WHO, WHAT AND WE SETTLED IT.
2:45:03PM WHY?
2:45:04PM BECAUSE I SPOKE TO THE MAYOR.
2:45:05PM I KNOW SOMETIMES I WASTE MY TIME IN MEDIATING, BUT I WANTED
2:45:08PM TO BRING IT TO A CLOSE.
2:45:10PM I SPOKE TO THE MAYOR.
2:45:12PM I REMEMBER HE CALLED ME.
2:45:13PM WHAT ABOUT IF, YOU KNOW, YOU APPOINT THIS MANY.
2:45:16PM WHAT ABOUT THAT?
2:45:17PM I SAID I'M SURE COUNCIL COULD GO WITH THAT AND SETTLED IT.
2:45:21PM IT NEVER GOT TO THAT VETO, OVERRIDING THE VETO ANYWAYS.
2:45:24PM SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED BECAUSE IT NEVER
2:45:28PM GOT THERE.
2:45:29PM WE REACHED A SETTLEMENT.
2:45:30PM BUT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS, I DON'T THINK THIS IS
2:45:33PM NECESSARY.
2:45:34PM BECAUSE FROM SPEAKING WITH A VARIETY OF ATTORNEYS AT THE
2:45:37PM TIME, MR. SHELBY, THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT WAS THERE AT THE
2:45:40PM TIME, CITY COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE THE BOARDS.
2:45:43PM WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS.
2:45:47PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE
2:45:49PM YOU NEVER EXERCISED YOUR POWER BECAUSE YOU FELT WHAT -- I
2:45:53PM WAS HERE THAT WHOLE TIME WHEN IT ALL WENT ON, THAT THIS
2:45:57PM BOARD AND THE INTERPRETATION OF MS. MANDELL WAS THE MAYOR
2:46:01PM HAD ALL THE POWER TO DO WHATEVER.
2:46:03PM THAT'S WHAT I INTERPRETED FROM MS. MANDELL AT THAT PODIUM.
2:46:06PM YOU MAY HAVE MADE A BACK DEAL WITH THE LAST MAYOR.
2:46:10PM MS. MANDELL AT THAT PODIUM SAID THE MAYOR HAD THE AUTHORITY
2:46:14PM AND THIS COUNCIL DID NOT.
2:46:15PM AM I RIGHT, MR. SHELBY?
2:46:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.
2:46:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CORRECT.
2:46:19PM TO SAY WE DON'T NEED IT.
2:46:21PM MR. MANISCALCO, I DISAGREE.
2:46:23PM THAT'S WHY I ASKED THIS YOUNG LADY WHAT IS THE
2:46:26PM INTERPRETATION FROM THE ACTUAL, HER VERBIAGE.
2:46:28PM THAT WAY THERE'S NEVER ANY DOUBT ABOUT IF THIS BOARD HAS THE
2:46:33PM AUTHORITY OR NOT.
2:46:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:46:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THAT'S THE WAY I REMEMBER IT, TOO,
2:46:43PM MS. MANDELL SAID THAT -- AND I WAS AN ACTIVIST THEN, BUT
2:46:50PM ONLY THE MAYOR HAD THE RIGHT TO IN WHATEVER WAY CREATE OR
2:46:54PM APPROVE THE CREATION OF COMMITTEES.
2:46:58PM AND THEN THEY HIRED AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, GLEN YOUNG, WHO WAS
2:47:05PM A GREAT PERSON.
2:47:06PM BUT ATTORNEYS, THIS IS WHY I HAD THE WHOLE DISCUSSION IN THE
2:47:08PM CHARTER ABOUT ATTORNEYS.
2:47:09PM IF YOU HIRE AN ATTORNEY, THE ATTORNEY WORKS FOR YOU.
2:47:12PM AND TECHNICALLY THE CITY ATTORNEY WORKS FOR CITY COUNCIL AND
2:47:16PM THE MAYOR.
2:47:17PM IT'S DESCRIBED IN THAT DETAIL IN THE CHARTER.
2:47:19PM BUT IN REALITY, ESPECIALLY AT THAT TIME, THE ATTORNEYS
2:47:23PM DIDN'T.
2:47:25PM AND I DON'T THINK THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG.
2:47:27PM I THINK THEY WERE TOLD DO CERTAIN THINGS.
2:47:30PM MARTY'S OPINION AT THE TIME WAS THAT IT WAS OUR POWER AND
2:47:34PM COULD DO IT.
2:47:35PM THEIR OPINION WASN'T.
2:47:36PM THEY HIRED AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY AS IF THAT AGAIN WAS THE
2:47:39PM SUPREME COURT, AND IT'S NOT.
2:47:40PM THAT'S THE KIND OF SITUATION WHY WE NEED A CONFLICT
2:47:45PM RESOLUTION PROCESS, BECAUSE WE MAY BE HEADED TO ANOTHER ONE
2:47:48PM OF THOSE AGAIN.
2:47:48PM HOPEFULLY, MS. ZELMAN HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW THAN SOME OF HER
2:47:53PM PREDECESSORS WHO MISINTERPRETED THE CHARTER.
2:47:55PM IN THIS CASE WE ABSOLUTELY NEED THIS.
2:47:57PM THERE ARE SO MANY MISINTERPRETATIONS OF THE CHARTER, WHETHER
2:48:00PM CITY ATTORNEYS IN THE PAST WERE BULLIED, WHATEVER, THEY
2:48:02PM MISINTERPRETED THE CHARTER AND IT'S PUT THE CITY AT RISK OF
2:48:06PM LAWSUITS AND LIABILITY, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAP
2:48:10PM SOME OF THESE HOLES AND MAKE IT SPECIFIC.
2:48:12PM SO THIS DOESN'T DO ANY HARM.
2:48:15PM IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY ANYTHING FROM THE STRONG MAYOR FORM OF
2:48:18PM GOVERNMENT.
2:48:18PM IT JUST CODIFIES WHAT IS THE REALITY FROM THE POINT OF VIEW
2:48:22PM OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
2:48:23PM THANK YOU.
2:48:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:48:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
2:48:27PM I LOOK BACK, TRYING TO FIND IN MY MIND HOW MANY TIMES A CITY
2:48:34PM COUNCIL HAS OVERRIDDEN THE MAYOR IN A 5-2 VOTE.
2:48:39PM I CAN REMEMBER ONCE.
2:48:41PM I'M TRYING TO THINK IT OUT HOW MANY OTHER TIMES, MAYBE SOME
2:48:47PM OTHER PLACE I REMEMBER.
2:48:48PM WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING HERE TO CHANGE
2:48:53PM THE POWER OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
2:48:57PM I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE RIGHT OR WRONG.
2:48:59PM I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES.
2:49:01PM BUT IF YOU WANT A STRONG MAYOR OF GOVERNMENT WHERE ONE
2:49:04PM PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF AND SEVEN
2:49:08PM INDIVIDUALS FOR THE LEGISLATIVE STUFF, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE
2:49:12PM -- MAKES YOU WORK TOGETHER.
2:49:14PM AND IN THE FUTURE, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL AND
2:49:17PM THE MAYORS CAN WORK OUT TOGETHER, CANNOT WORK OUT TOGETHER
2:49:21PM AND THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO CREATE ALL KIND OF BOARDS
2:49:24PM WITHOUT THE MAYOR'S PERMISSION, BLESSING, WHATEVER YOU WANT
2:49:26PM TO CALL IT.
2:49:27PM BUT THAT MAYOR STILL HAS VETO POWER.
2:49:31PM IT'S ONLY BEING USED, I REMEMBER, AND YOU CAN CHECK HISTORY,
2:49:35PM ONE TIME, IT WAS IN 1974.
2:49:37PM AND IT WAS A RAISE BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE
2:49:42PM ADMINISTRATION.
2:49:42PM AND IT WAS SETTLED ON THE COUNCIL OVERRIDING THE MAYOR.
2:49:48PM THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME I CAN REMEMBER.
2:49:51PM I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT ANOTHER TIME, BUT THAT IS THE
2:49:54PM ONLY ONE THAT I REMEMBER.
2:49:54PM IT WAS LOCAL 755 AND SAM WAS THE PRESIDENT; ARTHUR WAS THE
2:49:54PM VICE PRESIDENT.
2:50:02PM I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED.
2:50:04PM THE OFFICE OF THE CLERK USED TO BE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
2:50:08PM NOBODY REMEMBERS THAT.
2:50:09PM I HATE TO TELL YOU THIS, THERE WAS NO PHONE BACK HERE.
2:50:13PM THERE WERE NO OFFICES FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
2:50:16PM THERE WAS A SLOT, LIKE A PIGEON COMES IN.
2:50:20PM THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT YOUR MAIL AND ONE PHONE.
2:50:22PM THAT WAS DIFFERENT TIMES.
2:50:23PM ONLY ONE TIME I CAN REMEMBER WAS THE COUNCIL EVER OVERRIDING
2:50:30PM THE MAYOR.
2:50:31PM AND MAYBE THERE WAS ANOTHER TIME ON THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK
2:50:33PM IT WAS SETTLED.
2:50:34PM I'M NOT SURE.
2:50:36PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:50:37PM BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT LEAVES THE MAYOR
2:50:40PM OUT BECAUSE IT STARTS TO WITHER AWAY AND STARTS WITH TWO
2:50:44PM DIFFERENT BODIES NOT COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER AND I
2:50:47PM DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO GO THROUGH THAT.
2:50:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
2:50:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY
2:50:54PM FOR MISINTERPRETATION HERE.
2:50:56PM I THINK WHAT THIS DOES IS GOES TO WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES HAD
2:51:00PM TO SAY WITH ENSURING, AND YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH
2:51:05PM DIRECT QUESTIONING OF INDEPENDENT OR AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL AS
2:51:08PM TO WHAT THE INTERPRETATION WOULD BE.
2:51:09PM THIS CAME TO FORE WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY PREPARED THIS LAST
2:51:16PM TIME AROUND FOR CHANGES TO THE CRB, AND PREPARED A MEMO FOR
2:51:20PM COUNCIL WHICH WAS RESPONDED TO BY AN ATTORNEY FOR THE ACLU.
2:51:25PM AND IN THAT DISCUSSION, THERE WAS A DECISION ABOUT HOW THIS
2:51:30PM PARTICULAR PROVISION WAS CHANGED.
2:51:33PM MY CONCERN AS CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, WITH REGARD TO THE
2:51:36PM CREATION OF THE BOARD TO GO BACK TO 2015 TO CLARIFY WHAT
2:51:40PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS THAT THE ISSUE CAME
2:51:45PM UP WHEN THE PREVIOUS MAYOR WAS QUOTED IN THE NEWSPAPER AS
2:51:49PM SAYING THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO CREATE
2:51:53PM THIS BOARD AND MY CITY ATTORNEY AGREES WITH ME, OR WORDS TO
2:51:57PM THAT EFFECT.
2:51:58PM AND THAT QUESTION IN MY MIND, AS YOUR ATTORNEY, YOUR HOME
2:52:03PM RULE AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE AND TO BE
2:52:06PM ABLE TO CREATE A BOARD BY ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S
2:52:09PM REMEDY, AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA CORRECTLY STATES, IS IN THE
2:52:13PM VETO.
2:52:14PM IN THIS SITUATION THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THERE WAS
2:52:18PM A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE CITY
2:52:22PM ATTORNEY IN WHICH I WAS INVOLVED, DOES THE MAYOR HAVE THE
2:52:26PM ABILITY TO REMOVE THAT HOME-RULE POWER UNDER THIS CHARTER BY
2:52:30PM PREEMPTING COUNCIL, BY CREATING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, DOING
2:52:35PM SOMETHING BEFORE COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACT, WHICH
2:52:37PM WAS THE PROCESS IN 2015.
2:52:39PM BEFORE COUNCIL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACT, AN EXECUTIVE ORDER
2:52:43PM WAS CREATED AND THEREFORE THE ARGUMENT WAS MADE THAT COUNCIL
2:52:46PM LOST ITS LEGISLATIVE HOME-RULE AUTHORITY.
2:52:49PM THE SECTION THAT I RELIED UPON IN 2015 WAS CHANGED BY THE
2:52:54PM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
2:52:56PM THIS SECTION, SECTION 9.01 WAS BOARDS.
2:53:01PM AND THE QUESTION ULTIMATELY BECAME, BUT FOR THE LACK OF A
2:53:04PM COMMA OR FOR THE LACK OF A PERIOD AND A CAPITAL STARTING THE
2:53:09PM NEXT SENTENCE, IT WAS SUBJECT TO TWO DIFFERENT
2:53:12PM INTERPRETATIONS.
2:53:13PM AND THAT'S WHY FOR NO OTHER REASON BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT
2:53:16PM IT WAS SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION, IN MY OPINION, THAT THAT
2:53:22PM INTERPRETATION OR ONE OF THEM COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO
2:53:24PM INFRINGE UPON WHAT I VIEWED AS COUNCIL'S RIGHTFUL HOME RULE
2:53:29PM AUTHORITY BY AN INTERPRETATION OF THE CHARTER.
2:53:30PM IT'S A CLARIFICATION.
2:53:31PM YOU HEARD WHAT THE CLARIFICATION IS.
2:53:34PM PLAIN READING BY AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY THAT COUNCIL, IT
2:53:38PM DOESN'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE MAYOR, BUT IT RESTORES
2:53:41PM TO CITY COUNCIL WHAT UNDER HOME RULE AUTHORITY, EVERY
2:53:45PM LEGISLATIVE BODY WITHIN THE STATE HAS THE ABILITY TO DO.
2:53:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:53:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR SUCCINCTLY SAYING EXACTLY WHAT
2:53:53PM I WAS GOING TO SAY.
2:53:54PM THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS.
2:53:56PM THIS TAKES NO POWER AWAY FROM THE MAYOR.
2:53:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NONE.
2:53:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE THE MAYOR STILL HAS THE POWER TO VETO
2:54:03PM IT.
2:54:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ABSOLUTELY.
2:54:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS SHARED WITH US,
2:54:07PM VERY FEW OVERRIDING VOTES HAVE OCCURRED.
2:54:10PM SO THIS REALLY IS ABOUT CLARIFICATION.
2:54:11PM THAT'S WHY I MADE THIS MOTION, AND I AM PRESENTING IT AS IT
2:54:18PM STANDS RIGHT NOW.
2:54:19PM FOR APPROVAL.
2:54:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:54:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
2:54:25PM I JUST SAY THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.
2:54:27PM I SECOND IT.
2:54:27PM LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
2:54:28PM I AGREE.
2:54:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE.
2:54:31PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
2:54:32PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:54:33PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:54:34PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:54:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:54:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:54:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:54:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:54:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
2:54:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:54:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
2:54:48PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CITRO
2:54:51PM VOTING NO.
2:54:53PM DID YOU READ THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE?
2:54:59PM YOU NEED TO READ THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE IF YOU'RE GOING
2:55:01PM TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE.
2:55:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APOLOGIZE.
2:55:04PM LET ME READ THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE.
2:55:06PM APOLOGIES.
2:55:07PM AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF
2:55:10PM TAMPA, FLORIDA, SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A
2:55:12PM PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF
2:55:15PM TAMPA OF 1975, AS AMENDED, TO AMEND SECTION 9.01 TO CLARIFY
2:55:20PM THAT STANDING BOARDS SHALL BE CREATED BY CITY COUNCIL BY
2:55:22PM ORDINANCE WITHOUT REQUIRING THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION;
2:55:26PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
2:55:28PM >> SECOND.
2:55:29PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CITRO VOTING
2:55:32PM NO.
2:55:33PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JANUARY 5th,
2:55:36PM 2023, AT 9:30 A.M.
2:55:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT.
2:55:43PM I DON'T THINK THIS MERITS A VETO.
2:55:44PM AGAIN, IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY POWER FROM THE MAYOR.
2:55:49PM IT JUST OFFERS CLARIFICATION.
2:55:51PM I SAT THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION FROM 2015 ON, AND I APPRECIATE
2:55:55PM MR. SHELBY'S COMMENTS FROM 2015, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT
2:55:59PM HE SAID AT THE TIME.
2:56:00PM WE AVOIDED A FIGHT.
2:56:01PM WE WORKED IT OUT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, BUT THIS DOES NOT
2:56:05PM MERIT A VETO AND HAVING TO GO THERE.
2:56:08PM IT DOESN'T HURT ANYBODY.
2:56:09PM BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
2:56:11PM THANK YOU.
2:56:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
2:56:14PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22.
2:56:17PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: YES, BEFORE YOU NOW IS AN ORDINANCE
2:56:20PM REVISING SECTION 6.03, APPOINTMENTS, AND THIS IS ADDRESSING
2:56:23PM THE APPOINTMENTS OF CITY DEPARTMENT HEADS.
2:56:26PM THIS IS CLARIFYING THAT THE MAYOR WILL NOMINATE THE
2:56:28PM DEPARTMENT HEADS AND COUNCIL WILL APPOINT OR DISAPPROVE THE
2:56:32PM NOMINATION.
2:56:33PM IF DISAPPROVED, THEN THE MAYOR WILL SUBMIT ANOTHER NOMINEE.
2:56:36PM THE MAYOR MAY APPOINT AN EXISTING CITY EMPLOYEE TO SERVE AS
2:56:42PM AN INTERIM APPOINTMENT FOR A PERIOD OF NOT MORE THAN 180
2:56:46PM DAYS.
2:56:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I HAD
2:56:52PM THOUGHT ABOUT THESE LAST FEW DAYS AND LOOKED AT AND READ THE
2:56:58PM LANGUAGE HERE.
2:56:59PM SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE MAYOR CAN ONLY APPOINT TO A
2:57:05PM VACANCY FOR A CITY POSITION AN EXISTING CITY EMPLOYEE, IS
2:57:10PM THAT CORRECT?
2:57:10PM THE MAYOR HAS TO CHOOSE FROM THE EXISTING ACTIVE CITY
2:57:15PM EMPLOYEES.
2:57:16PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: THE MAYOR MAY MAKE AN INTERIM APPOINTMENT
2:57:19PM OF AN EXISTING EMPLOYEE WHO CAN SERVE FOR A PERIOD OF, YES,
2:57:24PM NOT MORE THAN 180 DAYS.
2:57:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT THEY CAN ONLY CHOOSE AN EXISTING
2:57:29PM CITY EMPLOYEE OR THEY CAN PICK ANYBODY FROM WHOEVER THEY
2:57:31PM CHOOSE TO?
2:57:33PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: THIS LANGUAGE WOULD HAVE THEM -- MAY MAKE
2:57:36PM APPOINTMENT OF AN EXISTING CITY EMPLOYEE.
2:57:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MY QUESTION IS THIS.
2:57:40PM WE HAVE CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN BENNETT IN THE ROOM.
2:57:42PM JOHN BENNETT WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CITY, RETIRED, AND WENT TO
2:57:47PM ANOTHER JURISDICTION TO WORK.
2:57:50PM THEREFORE, THE MAYOR, HAVING COME INTO OFFICE, WOULD NOT
2:57:55PM HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT JOHN BENNETT AS
2:58:01PM INTERIM CHIEF OF STAFF BECAUSE HE WASN'T AN ACTIVE CITY
2:58:04PM EMPLOYEE BECAUSE HE HAD RETIRED.
2:58:06PM THAT'S THE THING.
2:58:07PM MY PROBLEM WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF US BECOMES MAYOR,
2:58:12PM AND WE HAVE A RIGHT-HAND PERSON THAT IS WHATEVER, OUR
2:58:17PM PERSON.
2:58:17PM THERE'S NOBODY BETTER FOR CHIEF OF STAFF POSITION.
2:58:21PM I'M USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
2:58:22PM THAT MAYOR CANNOT APPOINT THAT PERSON BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT
2:58:26PM AN EXISTING CITY EMPLOYEE.
2:58:28PM EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE THE GREATEST, WHATEVER, BUT IT WOULD
2:58:30PM PROHIBIT THE MAYOR FROM DOING THAT.
2:58:31PM SO A MAYOR WOULD COME IN WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION AND NOT
2:58:36PM REALLY BE ABLE TO APPOINT WHOEVER THEY WOULD WANT TO BECAUSE
2:58:39PM THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE EXISTING CITY EMPLOYEES.
2:58:41PM I JUST WANT CLARITY ON THAT.
2:58:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:58:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
2:58:47PM ACTUALLY, THIS ONLY APPLIES TO INTERIM.
2:58:51PM YOU CAN NOMINATE ANYONE YOU WANT FROM, LIKE, THE WHOLE
2:58:56PM WORLD, BUT THEY ARE SAYING THAT IN THE INTERIM IT SHOULD BE
2:59:00PM A CITY EMPLOYEE SO THAT YOU CAN'T CHOOSE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW,
2:59:04PM THE WORLD'S BEST OF CHIEF OF STAFF FROM FRANCE AND YOU'RE
2:59:07PM GOING TO BRING THEM OVER, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM
2:59:10PM AN INTERIM UNTIL THEY ARE VOTED ON, WHICH BASICALLY IS
2:59:16PM SUBVERTING THE POWER GOING THROUGH COUNCIL.
2:59:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
2:59:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IN THE INTERIM, YES, YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE
2:59:24PM SOMEONE FROM STAFF, BUT YOU CAN STILL HIRE YOUR BEST FRENCH
2:59:29PM CHIEF OF STAFF, BUT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH APPROVAL OF COUNCIL
2:59:32PM BEFORE THAT PERSON CAN START WORKING.
2:59:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
2:59:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW THIS WAS MR. GUDES' ORDINANCE.
2:59:45PM DID I GET THAT RIGHT?
2:59:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO
2:59:50PM MS. COWAN.
2:59:50PM WOULD YOU CONCUR WITH WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST STATED?
2:59:54PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: YES, THAT THE MAYOR CAN NOMINATE ANYONE.
2:59:57PM THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON WHO THEY CAN NOMINATE FOR THE HEAD
3:00:05PM OF DEPARTMENT OR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL.
3:00:06PM BUT THOSE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN HAVE TO MAKE THAT
3:00:10PM APPOINTMENT.
3:00:11PM THE RESTRICTION BECOMES WITH REGARD TO THE INTERIM
3:00:14PM APPOINTMENT AS THAT BEING ONLY AN EXISTING EMPLOYEE AND ONLY
3:00:17PM FOR 180 -- NO MORE THAN 180 DAYS.
3:00:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR
3:00:23PM QUESTION OR YOUR THOUGHTS?
3:00:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I GUESS SO.
3:00:29PM SO THE MAYOR REALLY WOULD NOT BE PROHIBITED FROM APPOINTING
3:00:30PM WHOMEVER THEY WANTED TO.
3:00:31PM >> IS THAT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION OR YOUR THOUGHTS?
3:00:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I GUESS SO.
3:00:33PM SO THE MAYOR REALLY WOULD NOT BE PROHIBITED FROM APPOINTING
3:00:34PM WHOMEVER THEY WANTED.
3:00:35PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: THE MAYOR DOESN'T APPOINT.
3:00:38PM THEY ONLY APPOINT AN INTERIM.
3:00:39PM THEY WOULD NOMINATE A PERSON THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY
3:00:44PM THEN THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPOINTMENT, AND CITY COUNCIL WOULD
3:00:49PM EITHER APPROVE THAT APPOINTMENT OR DISAPPROVE IT.
3:00:53PM IF THEY APPROVE IT, THEY ARE APPOINTED. IF THEY DISAPPROVE
3:00:55PM IT, THEN THE MAYOR WOULD NEED TO SEND ANOTHER NOMINEE.
3:00:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD THE MAYOR BE ABLE TO DIRECTLY
3:01:00PM NOMINATE SOMEBODY, THIS IS THE PERSON THAT I WANT, AND BE
3:01:04PM VOTED -- APPROVED BY COUNCIL OR NOT, CORRECT?
3:01:08PM SO IF WE HAVE INTERIM THERE, WHATEVER, BUT IF THEY HAVE, YOU
3:01:11PM KNOW, WHOEVER OF THEIR CHOOSING THAT IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE,
3:01:16PM THEY CAN SAY THIS IS WHO I WANT, THIS IS MY NOMINEE, AND
3:01:19PM COME TO US.
3:01:20PM NOW, IF THAT NOMINEE IS SHOT DOWN OR VOTED DOWN, THE MAYOR
3:01:25PM CANNOT RESUBMIT THAT INDIVIDUAL.
3:01:28PM CORRECT?
3:01:29PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW, IN WHAT'S BEFORE
3:01:32PM YOU, THAT'S CORRECT.
3:01:33PM SO THEY WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT ANOTHER NOMINEE.
3:01:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I CAN UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT OF, WELL,
3:01:41PM COUNCIL CAN VOTE THAT PERSON DOWN, AND NOW THEY WON'T HAVE
3:01:43PM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW THAT PERSON BETTER, YOU KNOW,
3:01:47PM FOR A RESUBMISSION OF THAT NOMINATION.
3:01:51PM IF YOU -- WHOEVER THAT NOMINEE IS, THEY SHOULD GO AROUND AND
3:01:58PM MEET THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AHEAD OF TIME AND ALL THAT.
3:02:02PM OKAY, THANK YOU.
3:02:03PM MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.
3:02:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY, YOU WERE GOING TO SAY
3:02:07PM SOMETHING?
3:02:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD RATHER GET OTHER COUNCILMEN.
3:02:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE INTENT OF THIS CHANGE IS SIMPLE.
3:02:15PM YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT OUR FEDERAL AND OUR STATE, YOU ARE A
3:02:22PM NOMINEE AND NOT APPOINTED, THEY ARE A NOMINEE.
3:02:25PM AND A NOMINEE, THE PRESIDENT NOMINATES SOMEONE TO GO BEFORE
3:02:30PM THE SENATE.
3:02:32PM AND THE SENATE HEARS FROM THAT NOMINEE TO MAKE SURE THAT
3:02:36PM NOMINEE FITS THE MOLD OF THE SENATE.
3:02:42PM AND THEN THERE'S A CONFIRMATION FOR APPOINTMENT.
3:02:47PM SO THE MAYOR CAN NOMINATE ANYBODY THEY SO CHOOSE.
3:02:54PM WE APPOINT.
3:02:55PM THAT'S THE ONLY POWER WE HAVE AT THE TIME.
3:02:56PM WE APPOINT.
3:03:00PM NOW, IF SOMEONE LEAVES OR RESIGNS, THE MAYOR CAN STILL
3:03:04PM NOMINATE SOMEBODY, BUT IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WAITING TO
3:03:08PM NOMINATE TO GET AN APPOINTMENT FOR US, THERE SHOULD BE AN
3:03:11PM ACTING PERSON THAT CAN RUN THAT DEPARTMENT UNTIL THAT PERSON
3:03:17PM COMES BEFORE US WITH CONFIRMATION FOR THE APPOINTMENT, WHICH
3:03:20PM MAKES SENSE.
3:03:20PM YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE AND THAT
3:03:24PM PERSON HAS NOT BEEN APPOINTED TO RUN CITY BUSINESS.
3:03:28PM THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
3:03:30PM AT ALL.
3:03:31PM BUT THE NUMBER TWO PERSON, NUMBER THREE PERSON, WHATEVER,
3:03:35PM CAN RUN IT UNTIL THAT 90 DAYS.
3:03:37PM I'M GOING A LITTLE STRETCH WITH 180 DAYS.
3:03:42PM SO I AM GIVING YOU THAT ONE.
3:03:43PM >> MAY I?
3:03:49PM NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
3:03:53PM OPPORTUNITY.
3:03:53PM THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT
3:03:56PM MAKES NOMINATIONS, IT'S THROUGH THE CONSTITUTION FOR THAT
3:04:01PM PROCEEDING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY.
3:04:03PM AND SO THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN OUR GOVERNING DOCUMENTS
3:04:07PM ON HOW THIS WORKS.
3:04:09PM BUT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU.
3:04:10PM I AM NOT HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR APPOINTMENTS, I AM
3:04:15PM COMING TO TALK TO YOU FROM A RECRUITMENT PERSPECTIVE, AND A
3:04:19PM PRACTICAL IMPLEMENTATION OF PERSPECTIVE.
3:04:21PM YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT RECRUITING THE BEST
3:04:23PM AND THE BRIGHTEST.
3:04:24PM THERE IS NO C SUITE EXECUTIVE THAT WILL TAKE A POSITION THAT
3:04:29PM HAS TO WAIT ON CONFIRMATION FROM A POLITICAL BODY. NO ONE
3:04:35PM WILL DO IT.
3:04:36PM I WOULD NOT HAVE COME AND WAIT IN THE WINGS -- NOW, I
3:04:40PM UNDERSTAND WHY THIS HAS COME TO A HEAD, AND I UNDERSTAND
3:04:44PM WHICH APPOINTMENT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WHICH -- YOU
3:04:48PM CANNOT RECRUIT THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST IN POLITICAL
3:04:51PM POSITIONS. I WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN MY DEPUTY -- WE HAVE
3:04:59PM BEEN WORKING CLOSELY THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
3:05:02PM I WOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN THIS JOB IF MY -- LEAVING A GOOD
3:05:06PM EMPLOYER THAT HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP, CORDIAL RELATIONSHIP
3:05:10PM TO COME TO WORK, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, I AM JUST
3:05:13PM TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF WHAT MAY HAPPEN
3:05:15PM HERE.
3:05:17PM YOU CANNOT RECRUIT IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHERE THAT
3:05:24PM APPOINTMENT IS DEPENDENT ON A POLITICAL FACTOR.
3:05:27PM YOU CAN'T.
3:05:28PM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:05:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, SHE WAS SPEAKING TO ME FIRST.
3:05:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:05:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO I CAN AGREE WITH SOME OF YOUR POINT.
3:05:41PM I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF IT.
3:05:43PM BECAUSE IF I AM AT A JOB ALREADY, I AM APPLYING FOR ANOTHER
3:05:45PM JOB, I AM NOT GOING TO LEAVE MY CURRENT JOB UNTIL I KNOW I
3:05:47PM HAVE GOT THE OTHER JOB.
3:05:48PM I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO DO THAT.
3:05:50PM BE IT POLITICAL OR NOT.
3:05:51PM AND I LOVE YOU TO DEATH.
3:05:52PM BUT I'M NOT LEAVING MY JOB UNTIL I KNOW I GOT THAT JOB.
3:05:57PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS IN THE PRACTICAL
3:05:59PM ENVIRONMENT.
3:06:00PM I'M TELLING YOU AS A C SUITE EXECUTIVE THAT IS NOT HOW IT
3:06:03PM WORKS IN THE PRACTICAL IMPLEMENTATION.
3:06:06PM I KNOW THAT -- IF I KNOW THAT THE JOB IS WAITING IN THE
3:06:09PM WINGS, AND DEPENDENT ON A POLITICAL BODY, YOU ARE TALKING
3:06:18PM ABOUT SOMEONE LEAVING THEIR JOB, PUTTING THEMSELVES OUT
3:06:21PM PUBLICLY.
3:06:22PM YOU ARE TELLING YOUR EMPLOYER THAT YOU ARE LEAVING AND YOU
3:06:25PM DON'T HAVE CONFIRMATION, THAT YOU HAVE A JOB, YOU CANNOT
3:06:29PM RECRUIT, TALKING WITH EXECUTIVES IN THAT COMPANY, YOU CAN'T.
3:06:35PM JUST CAN'T.
3:06:35PM EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT CITY MANAGER SEARCHES ACROSS THE
3:06:38PM STATE, WHEN THEY HIRE RECRUITING FIRMS, THERE'S A CERTAIN
3:06:42PM LEVEL OF ANONYMITY TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN IT'S PUBLIC
3:06:46PM KNOWLEDGE.
3:06:46PM YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE CITY MANAGERS THAT APPLY, THAT APPLY
3:06:50PM FOR THE POSITION THAT DIDN'T GET THE POSITION, AND SEE HOW
3:06:53PM LONG THEY ARE STILL THERE.
3:06:54PM YOU ARE PUTTING ON NOTICE YOUR EMPLOYER, I'M LEAVING, AND
3:06:57PM THEN YOU HAVE NO CERTAINTY OF MOVING FORWARD.
3:06:59PM SO I AM JUST TELLING YOU, LIKE I AM NOT WAITING -- YOU GUYS
3:07:04PM KNOW ME.
3:07:05PM I AM NOT GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THE POLITICS OF IT BUT FROM A
3:07:09PM PRACTICAL STANDPOINT WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT TO RECRUIT THE
3:07:11PM BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST, DAVID INGRAM WHO WAS HERE WITH YOU
3:07:15PM THIS MORNING WOULD NOT HAVE COME KNOWING THAT THIS -- HE HAS
3:07:20PM TO COME BEFORE A POLITICAL BODY.
3:07:22PM AND YOU HAD A RECENT EXPERIENCE OF SOMEONE SEEING WHAT
3:07:26PM HAPPENS WITH POLITICAL BODIES.
3:07:28PM YOU HAD A RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.
3:07:29PM SO I AM TELLING YOU JUST FROM A PRACTICALITY STANDPOINT, THE
3:07:34PM REST OF THIS STUFF I AM NOT GETTING TO, BUT THIS ONE I KNOW
3:07:41PM THAT I HAVE A LOT IN MY PORTFOLIO THAT I RECRUIT FOR THE
3:07:45PM BEST AND BRIGHTEST THAT HAVE TO BE APPOINTED AND I TRY TO
3:07:47PM GET IT TO YOU MEDLEY.
3:07:50PM I PUT THE MEMO OUT AND SAY THIS IS WHO IT IS, THIS IS WHO IS
3:07:54PM COMING, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF TRUST AND THE
3:07:56PM RELATIONSHIP THAT I BUILT, BUT I AM HERE TO TELL YOU THAT
3:07:59PM THIS WILL BACKFIRE --
3:08:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST BELIEVE IT'S TAKING SOME OF THE
3:08:09PM COUNCIL -- YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, APPOINT SOMEONE, WE HAVE NO
3:08:14PM AUTHORITY OVER THAT PERSON, IF WE DON'T LIKE THAT PERSON,
3:08:17PM AND WHAT THEY DO, WE CAN'T FIRE THEM, WE CAN'T DO NOTHING.
3:08:21PM SO TO ME TAKING IT AWAY FROM US SAYING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
3:08:25PM THAT THE PUBLIC IS OUTRAGED ABOUT SOME THINGS, YOU ARE
3:08:28PM SAYING FIRST NOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A HOME RULE. I CAN'T
3:08:32PM SUPPORT THAT.
3:08:33PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: BUT THERE IS AN ACCOUNTABILITY.
3:08:36PM THE MAYOR IS THE EXECUTIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE ARM OF THIS,
3:08:41PM SO IN THE WAY THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS SET UP, YOU HAVE THE
3:08:45PM ADMINISTRATOR, THE ADMINISTRATIVE ARM, THE CEO, THE BUCK
3:08:52PM ULTIMATELY STOPS WITH HER.
3:08:54PM AND SO WHEN SOMEONE IS CALLING, IF SOMEONE IS UPSET WITH
3:08:58PM THE -- IF SOMEONE IS UPSET WITH MR. DRUMGO OR ALIS OR ABBYE,
3:09:05PM THEY CALL ME, THEY CALL US.
3:09:07PM ULTIMATELY, YES, YOU CANNOT DO THE HIRING AND FIRING.
3:09:10PM YOU HAVE ONE THE CITY ATTORNEY.
3:09:12PM BUT THAT'S THE STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT.
3:09:13PM AND TO DO THIS, YOU CAN CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY.
3:09:18PM YOU CAN -- I UNDERSTAND.
3:09:26PM I KNOW, AND WE CAN RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
3:09:31PM IF I CAN'T RECRUIT THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST TO DO THE WORK
3:09:34PM HERE, THEN I DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE, AND
3:09:38PM I'M JUST TELLING YOU FROM THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO,
3:09:42PM THAT THIS IS OUR CHALLENGE.
3:09:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:09:45PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
3:09:46PM YEAH, I MEAN, I'M VOTING ON ALL THESE THE WAY I ORIGINALLY
3:09:50PM VOTED, UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS TO CHANGE MY MIND.
3:09:54PM I VOTED AGAINST THIS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, INCLUDING
3:09:57PM THIS.
3:10:00PM I BELIEVE THAT ULTIMATELY THIS WILL RESULT IN TOO MUCH OF A
3:10:04PM BURDEN PLACED ON THE SEARCH PROCESS.
3:10:07PM THERE'S ALREADY MECHANISMS IN PLACE.
3:10:10PM I WISH -- AND I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN GUDES' CONCERNS WHO
3:10:14PM MADE THIS VERY LEGITIMATE, VERY REASONABLE, VERY WELL MADE,
3:10:18PM ET CETERA.
3:10:18PM I JUST THINK AS PRESENTED WITHIN THE TIME THAT WE HAVE, IT'S
3:10:21PM FAR TOO EXPANSIVE.
3:10:23PM YOU HAVE AN EXECUTIVE THAT IS TRYING TO RECRUIT FOLKS,
3:10:27PM ET CETERA, AND THIS WOULD PLACE BURDENS UPON THAT PROCESS
3:10:30PM THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY PLAY HORRIBLY WITHIN THE PRIVATE
3:10:34PM SECTOR OF SOMEONE MAKING A LATERAL PUBLIC SECTOR MOVE.
3:10:37PM IT'S JUST SOMETHING AGAIN, I SEE THE CHALLENGES BEING
3:10:40PM ADDRESSED HERE, BUT I VOTED NO FIRST TIME AND I WILL VOTE
3:10:43PM RESPECTFULLY NO THIS TIME.
3:10:45PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:10:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:10:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I FEEL THAT PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED.
3:10:51PM WE ALREADY HAVE THIS POWER.
3:10:53PM WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE POWER TO -- I MEAN, THE MAYOR
3:10:57PM ALREADY HAS TO PUT THE PERSON IN FRONT OF US.
3:10:59PM WE HAVE TO -- THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
3:11:04PM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INTERIM POWERS.
3:11:06PM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN AS INTERIM.
3:11:10PM AND WE ARE ALSO SAYING THAT IF YOU NOMINATE SOMEONE ONCE,
3:11:13PM YOU CAN'T NOMINATE THEM AGAIN.
3:11:15PM SO WE ARE NOT SAYING -- I MEAN, THE ACTUAL POWER OF
3:11:18PM NOMINATING SOMEONE AND THEN REQUIRING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL,
3:11:23PM WE AREN'T CHANGING ANY OF THAT.
3:11:24PM THAT ALREADY EXIST IT.
3:11:26PM AND THAT'S ALREADY THE WAY WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO BUSINESS.
3:11:29PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR THAT BEFORE THE
3:11:31PM EMPLOYEE --
3:11:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, WE AREN'T.
3:11:34PM WE ARE JUST SAYING THAT THAT EMPLOYEE CAN COME IN AND BE AN
3:11:37PM INTERIM HEAD OF SOMETHING BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GET HIRED BY
3:11:41PM US, BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES THAT TECHNICALLY HIRE THEM IN
3:11:45PM THE END.
3:11:46PM THEY ARE NOMINATED BY THE MAYOR, AND THEN APPOINTED BY US.
3:11:50PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THAT STILL MEANS THAT THE PERSON DOESN'T
3:11:52PM HAVE THE JOB THAT YOU RECRUITED THEM FOR.
3:11:55PM WHEN I CAME, BEFORE I WAS CONFIRMED BY COUNCIL, I
3:12:00PM ESSENTIALLY WAS IN A PROCESS OF SELECTING BEFORE COUNCIL SO
3:12:05PM I TOOK A JOB, I WAS AN EXISTING EMPLOYEE, SO I WOULD BE ABLE
3:12:09PM TO BE SELECTED AS AN EMPLOYEE BECAUSE I STARTED, BUT YOU ARE
3:12:12PM SAYING THAT THAT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE THE JOB UNTIL THE
3:12:15PM CONFIRMATION IS FINAL.
3:12:16PM SO I AM LEAVING MY CURRENT JOB, TAKING A NEW JOB, AND I'M
3:12:21PM NOT CONFIRMED IN GETTING THAT POSITION.
3:12:25PM I GET IT, BUT --
3:12:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T CONFIRM YOU?
3:12:29PM I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, BECAUSE WE COULD EASILY NOT
3:12:34PM CONFIRM.
3:12:34PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
3:12:38PM I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND THERE'S A PROCESS IN
3:12:41PM PLACE.
3:12:42PM WHY CHANGE IT IF YOU HAVE THE PROCESS IN PLACE, TO CHANGE IT
3:12:46PM ANY DIFFERENTLY IS -- IT DOES NOT WORK.
3:12:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I AM JUST GOING TO RESPOND, BECAUSE THE
3:12:56PM RESPONSE TO ME IS THE ISSUE WAS OBVIOUSLY WITH THE LAST
3:13:02PM APPOINTMENT THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, I WASN'T ON COUNCIL
3:13:05PM YET, BUT THE IDEA OF US NOT MAKING THE COUNCIL NOT MAKING
3:13:10PM THAT DECISION, AND THAT QUITE FRANKLY THE DECISION WAS
3:13:13PM ALREADY MADE, AND THEN COUNCIL REALLY DOESN'T GET THE
3:13:17PM ABILITY TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE DECISION, AND THAT IS AS
3:13:23PM COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MAKE
3:13:26PM SURE THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN THE RIGHT PERSON.
3:13:29PM THAT'S BASICALLY ASKING US TO --
3:13:36PM I TOTALLY SEE YOUR POINT.
3:13:38PM BUT THERE'S VERY FEW WAYS THAT WE CAN MOVE ON IN THE
3:13:44PM NOMINATION PROCESS, OR THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS.
3:13:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CHIEF,
3:13:52PM DO YOU WANT TO BE SAY SOMETHING?
3:13:55PM >>JOHN BENNETT: JUST A FEW POINTS. SOMEBODY HAS JOINED ME.
3:13:58PM LEAVING THE INTERIM PART OUT FOR A SECOND AND SPEAKING TO
3:14:03PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, I KNOW WE AS WE WERE BRINGING ON EXECUTIVE
3:14:06PM STAFF, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SEQUENCING, THE
3:14:10PM PROCESSING, AND SO, IN OTHER WORDS, THE LANGUAGE WAS IN
3:14:13PM PLACE, THE NOTION EXISTS, IT STILL EXISTS LIKE COUNCILWOMAN
3:14:19PM HURTAK SAID, BUT I THINK WHAT COUNCIL WAS LOOKING FOR WAS
3:14:23PM MORE ENGAGEMENT BEFORE WE GOT TO ACTUAL VETTING, AND I THINK
3:14:27PM WHAT MS. TRAVIS IS SAYING FROM OUR SIDE OF THE HR SELECTION
3:14:30PM RECRUITMENT CONTINUUM, AND WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT WHERE
3:14:34PM YOU MAKE A CONDITIONAL OFFER AND YOU START FILLING IN THE
3:14:37PM BACKGROUND AND ALL THOSE SCIENCES, IF YOU WILL, THAT
3:14:40PM CANDIDATE IS THE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION, ESPECIALLY IF
3:14:43PM THEY ARE ALREADY ATTACHED TO ANOTHER EXECUTIVE POSITION AND
3:14:47PM THEIR CHILDREN ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY LIVED THERE 15,
3:14:50PM 20 YEARS, THEY'VE MAKE A DECISION.
3:14:52PM AND SO I THINK IT REALLY IS MORE ABOUT WORKING WITH COUNCIL
3:14:56PM AS A PROCESS, BECAUSE WHEN WE GET TO CONFIRMATION, IT SHOULD
3:15:00PM BE JUST LIKE IT WAS TODAY.
3:15:02PM THERE WAS A 7-0 VOTE.
3:15:04PM HAVE BEEN EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY.
3:15:06PM NICOLE SENT IN THE RESUMÉ.
3:15:07PM SHE SET UP MEETINGS.
3:15:09PM SOME PEOPLE COULD, SOME PEOPLE COULDN'T.
3:15:10PM BUT IT WAS REALLY A GOOD PROCESS.
3:15:12PM AND WE LEARNED OVER TIME HOW TO DANCE THAT DANCE WITHIN THE
3:15:15PM LANGUAGE.
3:15:16PM SO NOBODY IS TRYING TO SAY THE CONFIRMATION SHOULDN'T HAPPEN
3:15:19PM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
3:15:20PM I THINK REALLY IT'S MORE INCUMBENT ON US TO CONTROL THE
3:15:24PM PROCESS, TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS FULLY AWARE BY THAT
3:15:28PM TIME THAT PERSON COMES AND TRYING TO HELP US WORK WITH YOU
3:15:31PM TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IN THAT PROCESS IT'S SAFE FOR THE
3:15:35PM CANDIDATE AND SAFE FOR THE CITY.
3:15:37PM AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BALANCING ACT THAT I AM USING FROM
3:15:42PM MY EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH YOU IN THIS OVER THREE YEARS,
3:15:45PM AND IT'S NOT EASY.
3:15:46PM THERE'S A LOT OF DYNAMICS IN IT.
3:15:49PM AND RECRUITING IS GETTING HARDER.
3:15:51PM WE ARE IN COMPETITION WITH FOLKS IN THE 300 AND $400,000
3:15:57PM RANGE FOR A JOB THAT THEY ARE TAKING A CUT TO COME WORK IN
3:15:59PM CIVIL SERVICE, SO IT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT I SEE IT MORE AS
3:16:03PM WORKING TOGETHER ON THE PROCESS THAN TRYING TO CHANGE
3:16:07PM LANGUAGE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
3:16:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, THAT'S NOT MY ISSUE.
3:16:16PM I'LL USE MR. MANISCALCO BECAUSE HE WAS THE SWING VOTE ON
3:16:19PM THIS.
3:16:19PM HE ASKED LEGAL, WELL, WHAT DO WE DO IF THIS BOARD SAYS NO?
3:16:25PM THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS CHARTER THAT SAYS ANYTHING OF WHAT
3:16:28PM THIS COUNCIL DOES, NOTHING.
3:16:30PM SO IF THIS COUNCIL GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU GET WHO YOU
3:16:33PM WANT, BUT THIS COUNCIL SAYS NO.
3:16:36PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
3:16:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
3:16:41PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS BODY AS A COUNCIL CAN SIT HERE
3:16:45PM AND SAY NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THIS PROCESS.
3:16:48PM I HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH THAT.
3:16:50PM FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SIT HERE KNOWING THERE IS AN ISSUE
3:16:53PM WITH THIS LANGUAGE, AND WE DO NOTHING.
3:16:57PM I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH -- I'M A POLICEMAN.
3:17:00PM I'M SORRY.
3:17:01PM I GO BY THE RULES, JOHN.
3:17:02PM THE RULES ARE THE RULES.
3:17:04PM AND WHEN A POLICY IS NOT RIGHT, WE FIX THE POLICY.
3:17:07PM WE'RE NOT FIXING THE POLICY HERE, GENTLEMEN.
3:17:09PM IF COUNCIL VOTES SOMEONE DONE, THE MAYOR CAN BRING THE
3:17:16PM PERSON BACK 50 MILLION TIMES FROM WHAT THE LAST CITY
3:17:18PM ATTORNEY.
3:17:19PM WE HAVE NO RECOURSE, BUT IT KEEPS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
3:17:25PM LIKE CHIEF BENNETT SAYS, WHERE IS THE BALANCE?
3:17:28PM HOW DO WE STOP THAT?
3:17:29PM FOR ME AND THIS COUNCIL TO SIT UP HERE AND SAY NOTHING IS
3:17:32PM WRONG WITH THIS.
3:17:33PM SHAME ON YOU.
3:17:34PM I RESPECT YOU ALL, BUT SHAME ON YOU.
3:17:36PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: COUNCILMAN GUDES, I THINK IN RESPONSE TO
3:17:44PM WHAT I HEARD AFTER THE ONE PARTICULAR CONFIRMATION THAT KIND
3:17:49PM OF DRUMMED THIS UP, RIGHT, WAS THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR
3:17:53PM COUNCIL BEING AWARE, TO WHAT MR. BENNETT WAS JUST SAYING,
3:17:57PM THE PROCESS IN INTRODUCING THE CANDIDATE TO COUNCIL AND
3:17:59PM HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY.
3:18:00PM AND EACH CONFIRMATION, I THINK I PROBABLY AM THE ONLY
3:18:04PM ADMINISTRATOR THAT HAS BROUGHT YOU THREE OR FOUR
3:18:08PM CONFIRMATIONS SINCE THIS PERIOD OF TIME.
3:18:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU DID IT THE RIGHT WAY.
3:18:14PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: BUT I'M SAYING -- BUT WE LEARNED BECAUSE WE
3:18:19PM HEARD WHAT COUNCIL SAID ABOUT THE PROCESS AND I DIDN'T DO
3:18:24PM THAT PROCESS INDEPENDENTLY.
3:18:25PM I DID THAT PROCESS IN COMMUNICATION WITH CHIEF BENNETT, WITH
3:18:30PM HR AND SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE.
3:18:34PM AND SO EACH PROCESS, SO I ASKED YOU WHEN WE BROUGHT ALIS
3:18:39PM DRUMGO AND ABBYE FEELEY TO YOU, AND SOME WERE SAYING, WELL,
3:18:43PM THIS IS KIND OF QUICK, SOME WERE LIKE, OKAY, I'M LEARNING.
3:18:47PM THEN I BRING THE OTHERS TO YOU, AND WE'RE TWEAKING AND
3:18:50PM LEARNING.
3:18:51PM WE'RE CONSTANTLY EVOLVING THE PROCESS.
3:18:53PM IT'S NOT LIKE -- IT'S NOT ME DOING IT RIGHT.
3:18:57PM IT'S US LEARNING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND TRYING TO WALK THAT
3:19:01PM FINE LINE AND THAT BALANCE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT YOU'RE
3:19:05PM ASKING FOR AND THE INTERACTION THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE WITH
3:19:08PM THE CANDIDATES BEFORE NOMINATION.
3:19:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE GOING TO BE NEXT.
3:19:15PM MS. COWAN, I SAW THIS LOOK ON YOUR FACE AS IF YOU HAD
3:19:21PM SOMETHING TO SAY.
3:19:22PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: NO.
3:19:23PM NO, I DID NOT.
3:19:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
3:19:24PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:19:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN GO AROUND AND AROUND.
3:19:29PM I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION AT SOME POINT AND VOTE ON
3:19:32PM IT.
3:19:33PM MS. TRAVIS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU 99.9% OF
3:19:38PM THE TIME, BUT YOU MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO CEO AND KIND
3:19:41PM OF COMPARING IT TO A COMPANY.
3:19:43PM IF THIS WAS A COMPANY, WE WOULD BE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
3:19:45PM I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT.
3:19:47PM AND THEN WE COULD FIRE THE MAYOR.
3:19:49PM WE CAN'T DO THAT.
3:19:50PM SO IF THE CRIME RATE GOES UP, THE BUDGETS GET SQUANDERED,
3:19:55PM THINGS DON'T GO OUT FOR RFP, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS GET
3:19:58PM ATTACKED, WE CAN'T FIRE THE MAYOR.
3:20:01PM ONLY THE CITIZENS CAN DO THAT.
3:20:02PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: CORRECT.
3:20:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT IS A DIFFERENCE.
3:20:04PM YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO BOB CHAPEK; THE BOARD DOESN'T LIKE
3:20:09PM HIM, SO HE'S GONE.
3:20:10PM THE OTHER THING IS WHAT THIS -- ALL THIS IS DOING IS PUTTING
3:20:17PM THE RIGHT WORDS IN FOR WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
3:20:19PM IF WE HAD DISAGREED WITH THE PERSON THIS MORNING, WE WOULD
3:20:22PM HAVE MAYBE GONE FOR MULTIPLE ROUNDS ANYWAY WITHOUT THIS
3:20:26PM LANGUAGE BEING CHANGED.
3:20:27PM BUT BECAUSE THE PROCESS WENT WELL AND IT WAS A GOOD
3:20:29PM CANDIDATE, DIDN'T.
3:20:30PM WHAT HAPPENED THIS ONE TIME, AND THIS WAS WITH THE POLICE
3:20:34PM CHIEF, IS THAT ONE REASON FOR THE WORD "NOMINATE" IS TO BE
3:20:39PM RESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THE CANDIDATE WAS PRESENTED
3:20:41PM AS THE POLICE CHIEF TO THE PUBLIC.
3:20:43PM AND I THINK THE REASON WHY I SUPPORTED THIS IS BECAUSE IT
3:20:47PM WAS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC.
3:20:49PM NOT THAT THE PERSON DID ANYTHING WRONG, BUT JUST THE PERSON
3:20:54PM BEING PRESENTED AS THE FINAL PERSON, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC
3:20:57PM THOUGHT WHY DON'T WE HAVE ANY INPUT, WHY DOESN'T THE PUBLIC
3:21:00PM HAVE ANY INPUT.
3:21:01PM THAT POSITION HAPPENS TO BE A REALLY IMPORTANT POSITION.
3:21:03PM SO THE ADMINISTRATION PUSHED, PUSHED, PUSHED DESPITE ALL THE
3:21:09PM COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ABOUT THINGS THAT HAD HAPPENED IN THE
3:21:12PM PAST AND THERE WERE PROMISES MADE THAT THINGS WOULDN'T
3:21:14PM HAPPEN AGAIN.
3:21:16PM SO WE WERE PUSHED AND I THINK IT WAS A 5-2 VOTE.
3:21:23PM WE'LL SEE WHETHER THAT WAS A GOOD DECISION OR NOT, BUT I
3:21:28PM THINK THERE HAS TO BE A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH.
3:21:32PM ONCE THESE, AS MR. GUDES SAID, ONCE THESE FOLKS ARE
3:21:36PM APPOINTED, WE HAVE NO POWER OVER THEM.
3:21:39PM I TRIED IN THE CHARTER TO CHANGE TO GET US TO FIRE THE CITY
3:21:43PM ATTORNEY, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
3:21:45PM BUT IF CITY STAFF AS THEY ARE, WE'VE GOT DOCUMENTS ON IT,
3:21:49PM YOU KNOW, SET CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS UP AGAINST EACH OTHER OR
3:21:52PM DO OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON US, WE CAN'T FIRE THEM.
3:21:55PM WE CAN ASK THE STAFF, THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION TO
3:21:58PM FIRE THEM, BUT THEY DON'T.
3:21:59PM I HEAR THAT MORE THAN HALF OF THE SENIOR STAFF DON'T HIT THE
3:22:04PM RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
3:22:05PM IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE MAYOR AND HOW THE MAYOR RUNS
3:22:10PM EVERYTHING.
3:22:12PM I'M SURE THE MAYOR IS GOING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, BUT THE
3:22:15PM PUBLIC WANTS US TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, TOO, AND TO HAVE MORE
3:22:19PM SCRUTINY OVER THINGS.
3:22:20PM I THINK CHANGING A COUPLE OF WORDS IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT
3:22:22PM CHANGE.
3:22:22PM IT ONLY IS GOING TO REFLECT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN
3:22:26PM PRACTICE, EXCEPT THESE EXCEPTIONS.
3:22:28PM AND WE ALSO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOT WHETHER IF YOU LIKE THE
3:22:31PM SITUATION NOW BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, YOU HAVE
3:22:34PM TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IF IT IS EVEN WORSE.
3:22:37PM I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD BE WORSE BUT WE HAVE TO THINK
3:22:40PM ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.
3:22:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN
3:22:42PM HURTAK.
3:22:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: [INAUDIBLE]
3:22:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:22:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ONLY HAVE A QUICK EDITOR'S CHANGE,
3:22:50PM SCRIVENER'S ERROR.
3:22:52PM IN THE ACTUAL CHARTER LANGUAGE, THE WORD "SECTION" SHOULD BE
3:22:57PM CAPITALIZED BEFORE 6.03 IN BOTH INSTANCES.
3:23:01PM THAT IS MY ONLY REQUEST.
3:23:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
3:23:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GOING TO MOVE IT.
3:23:15PM ALL RIGHT.
3:23:19PM FILE NUMBER E2022-8 CH 2.
3:23:33PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
3:23:35PM AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF
3:23:37PM TAMPA, FLORIDA, SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A
3:23:40PM PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF
3:23:42PM TAMPA OF 1975 AS AMENDED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MAYOR'S
3:23:46PM NOMINATIONS FOR HEADS OF DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER CITY
3:23:48PM EMPLOYEES AS SET OUT IN SECTION 6.03, MUST BE APPROVED BY
3:23:52PM FOUR VOTES OF CITY COUNCIL AND TO PROVIDE FOR INTERIM
3:23:55PM APPOINTMENTS OF EXISTING CITY EMPLOYEES BY THE MAYOR FOR A
3:23:57PM MAXIMUM OF 180 DAYS; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
3:24:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
3:24:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:24:03PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:24:04PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
3:24:05PM ROLL CALL.
3:24:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
3:24:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:24:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
3:24:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:24:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:24:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:24:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
3:24:20PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA, MIRANDA, AND
3:24:22PM CITRO VOTING NO.
3:24:24PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JANUARY 5th,
3:24:27PM 2023, AT 9:30 A.M.
3:24:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT WAS THE LAST ONE, CORRECT?
3:24:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
3:24:34PM WE HAVE ONE MORE.
3:24:36PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANTED TO CLARIFY, IF I MAY, JUST REALLY
3:24:39PM FAST ON THE TERM LIMITS ONE, WE PASSED THAT AS FOUR BECAUSE
3:24:42PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT'S TRUE.
3:24:45PM FOUR CONSECUTIVE FULL TERMS, CORRECT?
3:24:48PM >> YES.
3:24:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
3:24:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. COWAN.
3:24:56PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: ON TO THE LAST ITEM, AND THIS ORDINANCE
3:25:02PM BEFORE YOU IS AMENDING SECTION 10.10 OF THE CHARTER REVIEW
3:25:06PM ADDRESSING CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY COMMISSION.
3:25:08PM THE FIRST THING IT DOES IS CORRECT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR AND
3:25:12PM THEN IT ALSO PROVIDES THAT BEGINNING IN 2025 AND EVERY FIVE
3:25:16PM YEARS THEREAFTER THERE WOULD BE A CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY
3:25:19PM COMMITTEE ESTABLISHED.
3:25:21PM LEGAL COUNSEL, WHO IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE, WOULD SERVE AS
3:25:24PM LEGAL ADVISOR TO THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD AND A PROFESSIONAL
3:25:32PM FACILITATOR WOULD BE ENGAGED BY THE CITY WITH CITY COUNCIL
3:25:35PM APPROVAL.
3:25:36PM ONE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO JUST LET YOU KNOW IS WHEN WE WENT
3:25:45PM THROUGH THESE ORDINANCES AND IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH BOTH CITY
3:25:50PM COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, THEY
3:25:54PM ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT BMO CLIENTS HAD AMENDED THE
3:25:59PM FREQUENCY IN WHICH THEIR CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY COMMITTEES
3:26:03PM MEET.
3:26:03PM AND WE SAID, YES.
3:26:05PM IN FACT, WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE, SPECIFICALLY THE CITY OF
3:26:09PM LARGO SEVERAL YEARS AGO HAD CHARTER REVIEW EVERY TEN YEARS,
3:26:15PM AND THEN THEY CHANGED IT TO EVERY FIVE.
3:26:17PM NOW, THEIR EXPERIENCE WAS THAT, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY
3:26:22PM RECEIVED FROM THEIR CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS BY THE
3:26:24PM TIME THEY HAD GONE THROUGH AN IN-DEPTH REVIEW HAD EVERYTHING
3:26:28PM DONE, BACK TO THEIR COUNCIL, AND THEN ON THE BALLOT, THERE
3:26:34PM WAS MAYBE A YEAR BREAK AND THEY WERE STARTING AGAIN.
3:26:38PM SO THEY HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY CHANGED IT FROM FIVE TO SEVEN.
3:26:41PM SO I JUST OFFER THAT AS INFORMATION TO YOU FOR YOUR
3:26:45PM CONSIDERATION, BUT THE ORDINANCE AS DRAFTED IS EVERY FIVE
3:26:49PM YEARS AS DIRECTED.
3:26:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:26:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW WE HAD DEBATED QUITE A BIT THE TIMING
3:26:55PM JUST BECAUSE THESE WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDMENTS ON SOME SORT
3:27:00PM OF BALLOT.
3:27:03PM AND IN HEARING EVERY SEVEN YEARS, MAYBE WE SHOULD POSSIBLY
3:27:07PM LOOK AT EVERY EIGHT YEARS JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD FIT THE
3:27:11PM FOUR-YEAR TIME LINE.
3:27:14PM FOUR YEARS DOES SEEM A LITTLE SOON, BUT, AGAIN, EITHER WAY,
3:27:20PM I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE IN SOME FORM OF A MULTIPLE OF FOUR SO
3:27:27PM WE CAN MAKE SURE IT GETS ON THE BALLOT WITH THE MAYORAL AND
3:27:32PM THE COUNCIL ELECTIONS, UNLESS WE WOULD WANT TO OPEN THE CAN
3:27:36PM OF WORMS TO THE OTHER ELECTIONS.
3:27:37PM BUT I KIND OF LIKE ALL MUNICIPAL STUFF TOGETHER.
3:27:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
3:27:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND THANK YOU FOR
3:27:43PM RAISING THAT.
3:27:46PM -- A GENERAL ELECTION AS WELL, SO THAT WOULD BE EVERY TWO
3:27:49PM YEARS.
3:27:49PM IN THIS CASE, THE WAY THE DEADLINES HAVE FALLEN AND THE LIKE
3:27:53PM AND COUNCIL'S SCHEDULE, IT'S ON THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION, BUT
3:27:57PM IT IS EITHER CHOICE.
3:28:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:28:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THE COUNTY CHARTER REVIEW EVERY FIVE
3:28:05PM YEARS?
3:28:05PM IS THAT CORRECT?
3:28:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO BRANDON WAGNER IN A
3:28:10PM WHILE ABOUT THIS.
3:28:11PM I SPOKE WITH HIM WHEN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS
3:28:14PM FIRST FORMULATED AND HE WAS VERY HELPFUL TO ME IN THE
3:28:18PM PROCESS, AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT I HAVEN'T
3:28:21PM VERIFIED THIS, AND I CAN DO THIS AND GET BACK TO COUNCIL,
3:28:25PM BUT THE COUNTY'S POSITION WAS THAT FIVE YEARS DOES SEEM LIKE
3:28:29PM IT COMES UP VERY QUICKLY TO THEM.
3:28:31PM AND THEY ARE ALWAYS ALMOST IN A POSITION OF GOING ON TO THE
3:28:34PM NEXT ONE.
3:28:35PM AND IF HE HAD HIS DRUTHERS, HE EXPRESSED WITH ME AT THE TIME
3:28:39PM AND HAVEN'T VERIFIED IT, BUT I'LL JUST RELAY IT, HE THOUGHT
3:28:43PM THAT WAS A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND.
3:28:45PM THAT WAS HIS OPINION AT THE TIME AND THAT WAS 2018, EARLIER.
3:28:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO YOU KNOW IF IT IS FIVE YEARS OVER THERE?
3:28:52PM WOULD YOU KNOW OR MS. ZELMAN?
3:28:54PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: I DON'T KNOW.
3:28:55PM I CAN LOOK IT UP REAL QUICK.
3:29:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY OPINION, I THINK TEN IS TOO LONG.
3:29:11PM THE TWO TERMS, I THINK TEN IS TOO LONG BECAUSE THINGS DO
3:29:17PM COME UP AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THEM.
3:29:19PM NOTHING FURTHER, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:29:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:29:24PM YOUR ADDITIONS OR YOUR AMENDMENT TO THIS, HOW MANY YEARS?
3:29:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY.
3:29:35PM I WOULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE IT EVERY EIGHT YEARS.
3:29:39PM INSTEAD OF EVERY TEN YEARS, EVERY EIGHT YEARS.
3:29:43PM WHICH ACTUALLY MEANS THAT THEY WOULD START PRETTY SOON, BUT
3:29:48PM MAYBE NOT SUPER SOON.
3:29:50PM SO, YES, EVERY EIGHT YEARS, WHICH MIGHT ALLOW THEM TO DO
3:29:56PM KIND OF A MORE IN-DEPTH.
3:29:59PM I'LL BE HONEST, 13 MONTHS WASN'T LONG ENOUGH.
3:30:03PM TWO-YEAR PROCESS AND EVERY EIGHT YEARS, YOU HAVE ENOUGH
3:30:07PM TIME.
3:30:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DO AGREE WITH YOU.
3:30:11PM AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND LET'S JUST SAY 24 YEARS,
3:30:16PM THAT 13 MONTHS WILL GET SHORTER AND SHORTER BECAUSE EACH
3:30:20PM TIME.
3:30:23PM AND I LIKE THIS IDEA BECAUSE THEN EACH COUNCIL PERSON,
3:30:26PM WHOMEVER THEY ARE, CAN APPOINT SOMEBODY WITH THEIR IDEAS,
3:30:30PM THEIR THOUGHTS, WHAT THEY LIKE, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE, WHAT
3:30:32PM THEY WANT TO SEE CHANGED SO THAT MAYBE THE COUNCIL ITSELF
3:30:36PM WON'T HAVE TO BE DOING CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
3:30:39PM YES, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:30:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS JUST COMMENCING IN
3:30:45PM WHAT YEAR?
3:30:48PM PLEASE HELP ME WITH MATH BECAUSE I'M STILL SICK.
3:30:51PM IT SAYS HERE IT WOULD BE COMMENCING IN 2025, BUT I DON'T
3:30:56PM KNOW, MATH.
3:30:58PM SOMEBODY HELP ME.
3:30:59PM IT WOULD BE EIGHT YEARS FROM THE LAST ONE, WENT ON THE
3:31:06PM BALLOT IN 2019, SO THAT WOULD BE '27 BECAUSE WE'RE UP FOR
3:31:17PM VOTE IN '23.
3:31:18PM SO IT WOULD BE UP FOR VOTE IN '27.
3:31:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT YOU DO THAT, WON'T BE ON THE BALLOT
3:31:27PM AT THE SAME TIME.
3:31:29PM -- YOU GOT TO GO TO THE MARCH OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
3:31:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, WHICH WOULD BE 2027.
3:31:38PM WE WOULD START THIS IN '26.
3:31:40PM SO WE WOULD START MEETING IN '26.
3:31:44PM HONESTLY, I WOULD STILL SAY '25.
3:31:47PM YEAH, IT'S A TWO-YEAR PROCESS.
3:31:49PM NEVER MIND.
3:31:50PM WE'LL LEAVE IT AT '25.
3:31:52PM THANK YOU, THOUGH, FOR HELPING ME WITH THE MATH.
3:31:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHO IS GOING TO READ THIS?
3:31:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL.
3:31:58PM AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT -- DOES THIS -- CAN
3:32:01PM I READ THIS AS IS?
3:32:03PM I CAN'T, BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING IT.
3:32:05PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: IT WILL HAVE TO CHANGE.
3:32:07PM AND I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD.
3:32:10PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IT APPEARS IT IS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
3:32:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT DID SEEM A LITTLE TOO MUCH.
3:32:15PM THEN MY MOTION IS TO CHANGE IT TO EVERY EIGHT YEARS.
3:32:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY -- CAN YOU READ A
3:32:26PM FILE NUMBER, PLEASE?
3:32:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE FILE NUMBER IS E2022-8, CHAPTER 2.
3:32:33PM THIS IS DEALING WITH SECTION 10.10.
3:32:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND THAT'S EVERY?
3:32:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: EVERY EIGHT YEARS.
3:32:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:32:44PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:32:50PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:32:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:32:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:32:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:32:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
3:33:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:33:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:33:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:33:04PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
3:33:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
3:33:13PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:33:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN PRO TEM, IF I COULD FOLLOW UP
3:33:19PM ON WHERE WE STAND WITH THIS NOW.
3:33:21PM CHARACTER CLERK YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES THAT
3:33:28PM NEED TO BE BROUGHT BACK FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
3:33:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. COWAN, COULD YOU COME UP HERE.
3:33:38PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, ESPECIALLY
3:33:41PM WHEN DEALING WITH TIME CONSTRAINTS.
3:33:43PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE ITEMS 19, 20, AND 23 THAT NEED TO BE
3:33:47PM BROUGHT BACK BEFORE COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
3:33:49PM THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATE TO MEET PUBLICATION WOULD BE
3:33:52PM DECEMBER 15, WHICH IS A REGULAR SESSION.
3:33:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU COULD ACTUALLY BRING THOSE THREE BACK
3:33:58PM THAT HAVE PASSED FOR SECOND READING ON THE 15th.
3:34:02PM >>THE CLERK: THE ONLY THING THAT PASSED WERE THE CHANGES,
3:34:05PM NOT THE ACTUAL FIRST READING CONSIDERATIONS.
3:34:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND THIS.
3:34:15PM HOW MANY PASSED THAT ARE COMING BACK?
3:34:17PM >>THE CLERK: THOSE THAT HAVE PASSED FOR FIRST READING
3:34:21PM CONSIDERATION WAS ITEM NUMBER 18, 21, AND 22.
3:34:26PM THOSE WILL BE BROUGHT BACK FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
3:34:30PM ON JANUARY 5th.
3:34:33PM 19, 20, AND 23 THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK REQUESTED CHANGES
3:34:38PM FOR THAT NEED TO BE BROUGHT BACK FOR FIRST READING
3:34:42PM CONSIDERATION.
3:34:43PM IT CAN BE DONE ON DECEMBER 15th.
3:34:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW, WITH REGARD --
3:34:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK QUESTION.
3:34:49PM COULD SECOND READING STILL BE JANUARY 5th?
3:34:52PM >>THE CLERK: UM-HUM.
3:34:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, THEN, PROBLEM SOLVED.
3:34:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION THEN IS, WITH REGARD TO THE
3:35:00PM THREE THAT PASSED, THOSE CAN'T BE ADVERTISED TO COME BACK
3:35:04PM THE 15th THE WAY THINGS ARE STRUCTURED.
3:35:06PM >>THE CLERK: THOSE WERE ADOPTED ON FIRST READING
3:35:09PM CONSIDERATION AND IT'S SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 5th FOR
3:35:12PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:35:13PM SO THE THREE THAT DID NOT PASS FOR FIRST READING
3:35:16PM CONSIDERATION TODAY WILL NEED TO BE BROUGHT BACK FOR FIRST
3:35:19PM READING CONSIDERATION ON DECEMBER 15th TO MAKE JANUARY
3:35:24PM 5th MEETING FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
3:35:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. SHELBY, IT'S BECAUSE THE NEWSPAPER
3:35:34PM DEADLINE WAS THE 21st.
3:35:35PM SO THEY ALL COULD FIT UNDER THE 21st.
3:35:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE TO THINK
3:35:43PM THROUGH AND I COULD TALK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CONFIRM
3:35:46PM THIS IS JUST THE PROCESS AFTER THE 5th, HOW LONG IT TAKES
3:35:50PM FOR THE MAYOR TO MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHAT THE MAYOR'S
3:35:53PM DECISION IS WITH REGARD TO ANY OF THE ONES THAT PASSED AND
3:35:56PM THEN THE PROCESS FOR IT COMING BACK IN WHAT FORM OR FASHION
3:36:01PM AND WHAT DATE.
3:36:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.
3:36:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SEE HIS POINT.
3:36:19PM >>JENNIFER COWAN: I WANTED TO CONFIRM.
3:36:20PM I DID HEAR THE READING OF THE TITLE WITH REGARD TO SECTION
3:36:24PM 9.1, WHICH WAS ITEM 21.
3:36:26PM COULD THE CLERK CONFIRM THAT THEY DID READ THE TITLE ON ITEM
3:36:29PM NUMBER 22?
3:36:40PM >>THE CLERK: YES, I DO CONFIRM ITEM NUMBER 22, THE TITLE WAS
3:36:44PM READ AND MOVED ON FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
3:36:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:36:48PM THAT CONCLUDES THE DISCUSSION ON THE CHARTER.
3:36:50PM WE WILL NOW GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
3:36:53PM FIRST UP IS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
3:36:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
3:36:57PM I MOVE 24 THROUGH 28.
3:36:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
3:37:02PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:37:03PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:37:04PM AYE.
3:37:05PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:37:06PM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, YOU ARE THE CHAIR OF PARKS, REC,
3:37:09PM CULTURAL.
3:37:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE ITEMS 29, 30.
3:37:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
3:37:14PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:37:15PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU ARE UP NEXT.
3:37:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE ITEMS 31-38.
3:37:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK,
3:37:24PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
3:37:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:37:27PM NEXT FINANCE COMMITTEE.
3:37:28PM WE HAVE SOME WE ALREADY VOTED ON.
3:37:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 39 AND 41 WERE TAKEN CARE OF.
3:37:33PM 40, 42, AND 43.
3:37:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA,
3:37:38PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:37:39PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:37:40PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:37:42PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUILDING PRESERVATION, 44-53.
3:37:46PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN
3:37:50PM HURTAK.
3:37:51PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:37:52PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:37:52PM ALL RIGHT.
3:37:53PM ITEMS 54 AND 55 ARE REVIEW HEARINGS THAT NEED TO BE SET.
3:37:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO SET THE HEARINGS.
3:38:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES TO SET
3:38:02PM 54, WHICH IS FOR FEBRUARY 2nd, 2023, AT 1:30 P.M.
3:38:07PM AND ITEM 55, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 2nd, 2023, AT
3:38:12PM 1:30 P.M.
3:38:13PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:38:15PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:38:17PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:38:17PM MOTION TO OPEN ITEM NUMBER 56.
3:38:21PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
3:38:23PM SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
3:38:25PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:38:26PM ALL RIGHT.
3:38:27PM NOW THAT WE HAVE THESE HEARINGS OPEN, CAN I GET A MOTION TO
3:38:31PM REMOVE ITEM 57 FROM THE AGENDA?
3:38:34PM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
3:38:36PM MIRANDA.
3:38:37PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:38:39PM THIS IS THE LAST ITEM OF THIS AGENDA FOR THIS MORNING THAT
3:38:43PM HAS GONE INTO THE AFTERNOON.
3:38:45PM MA'AM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT?
3:38:47PM ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 56, PLEASE STAND
3:38:51PM AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
3:38:54PM WE'RE GOING TO SWEAR YOU IN AND HAVE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
3:39:07PM [OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
3:39:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
3:39:11PM WE ARE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.
3:39:13PM WE'LL BE BACK AT LET'S SAY 3:45.
3:39:16PM THANK YOU.
3:39:17PM [RECESS]
3:39:19PM >> CASE 22-70 FOR THE PROPERTY --
3:48:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE HERE, SHOULD
3:48:52PM WE ASK THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT,
3:48:55PM SHOULD WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY ARE OKAY WITH FOUR
3:48:57PM PEOPLE OR WHAT DO THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT?
3:49:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WISH TO HAVE A FULL COUNCIL OR FINE
3:49:02PM WITH FOUR PEOPLE.
3:49:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE MAY BE PEOPLE -- I KNOW CHAIR CITRO
3:49:08PM IS NOT COMING BACK.
3:49:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CITRO IS GONE FOR THE DAY.
3:49:13PM HURTAK IS COMING BACK.
3:49:16PM WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS.
3:49:17PM AND VIERA WILL BE HERE.
3:49:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE HAVE FIVE NOW, MAYBE SIX.
3:49:21PM ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?
3:49:23PM FOUR YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF YOU WANTED, UNDER THE RULES,
3:49:27PM CONTINUE YOU GET AS A MATTER OF RIGHT, BUT NOW WE HAVE FIVE.
3:49:31PM IT'S DISCRETIONARY.
3:49:32PM IT'S YOUR CALL.
3:49:34PM >> JAIME MAIER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL WARD HENDERSON.
3:49:40PM I'LL TALK WITH THE CLIENT ONE MINUTE TO DISCUSS -- JUST TO
3:49:44PM CONFIRM COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL BE RETURNING.
3:49:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HIS KEYS ARE HERE.
3:49:51PM >> HE'S GOING TO BE BACK.
3:49:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DID THAT BEFORE WE
3:49:59PM WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE CASE.
3:50:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO ADD IN THE BUDGET MONEY FOR A
3:50:34PM TEAKETTLE.
3:50:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU TAUGHT ME SOMETHING.
3:50:36PM I'VE BEEN HERE THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
3:50:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD TO ASK.
3:50:41PM I WAS TOLD THE HOT WATER WORKS.
3:50:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ISN'T THERE AN OPTION FOR HOT WATER --
3:50:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE IS ON THE WATER COOLER.
3:50:50PM I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT.
3:50:51PM NOW I DO.
3:50:55PM >> JAIME MAIER: WE'RE HAPPY TO GO FORWARD ONCE MR. VIERA
3:51:00PM COMES BACK, IF THAT'S OKAY.
3:51:01PM OR MOVE FORWARD NOW AND HE WILL BE HERE FOR THE VOTING
3:51:04PM PROCESS.
3:51:05PM WE WANT TO HAVE AS MANY FOLKS ON THE COUNCIL, IF THAT'S ALL
3:51:07PM RIGHT.
3:51:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL BEGIN THE PRESENTATION.
3:51:11PM >>JAIME MAIER: SURE.
3:51:12PM STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
3:51:14PM >> YES, MA'AM.
3:51:23PM >> WHILE SHE IS HANDING OUT THE PACKET, CAMARIA
3:51:26PM PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FROM THE CITY
3:51:28PM ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
3:51:29PM AGAIN, I'M HERE REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 56, VRB-22-70 FOR THE
3:51:36PM PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3122 WEST SAN JOSE STREET.
3:51:41PM THERE WAS A PETITION FOR REVIEW FILED ON BEHALF OF THE
3:51:46PM APPLICANT WHO IS MARC MOBLEY.
3:51:50PM OWNS MOBLEY HOMES CUSTOM LLC.
3:51:52PM MS. MAIER IS HERE REPRESENTING HIM AS AUTHORIZED AGENT.
3:51:57PM THE REQUEST MADE TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD WAS REGARDING
3:52:02PM APPROVAL TO REMOVE A GRAND TREE.
3:52:03PM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THE REQUEST AND HELD A
3:52:07PM PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 13, 2022, AND DENIED THE REQUEST
3:52:12PM TO REMOVE THE GRAND TREE BASED UPON THE APPLICANT NOT
3:52:16PM MEETING THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN CODE SECTION 27-284.2.5
3:52:23PM SUBSECTION F-4.
3:52:25PM I PREVIOUSLY HANDED CITY COUNCIL OR PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL
3:52:30PM THE RELEVANT CODE SECTION, WHICH IS CODE SECTION 27-61
3:52:35PM SUBSECTION J-2-A THAT PROVIDES THE PARAMETERS IN WHICH CITY
3:52:40PM COUNCIL CAN CONDUCT A REVIEW HEARING.
3:52:41PM ALSO, THE RELEVANT CODE SECTION 27-284.2.5 WHICH ARE THE
3:52:48PM FACTORS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS TO CONSIDER IN WHETHER OR NOT
3:52:53PM TO GRANT OR DENY A REQUEST TO REMOVE A GRAND TREE.
3:52:56PM AS PREVIOUSLY STATED IN CODE SECTION 27-61 SUBSECTION J-2,
3:53:03PM THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR THIS MATTER IS A DE NOVO STANDARD
3:53:07PM OF REVIEW.
3:53:07PM CITY COUNCIL, WHICH MEANS CITY COUNCIL SHALL NOT BE LIMITED
3:53:12PM IN ITS REVIEW TO THE INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE
3:53:16PM UPON WHICH THE BOARD BASED ITS DETERMINATION.
3:53:19PM THERE ARE TWO STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT WHO WILL PROVIDE AN
3:53:24PM EXPLANATION OF THE DECISION FROM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
3:53:28PM AND WHAT THE APPLICATION WAS.
3:53:29PM THOSE STAFF MEMBERS ARE JAYNE NMADU AND STEVEN EYSTER FROM
3:53:35PM NATURAL RESOURCES.
3:53:39PM AFTER CITY COUNCIL HEARS ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE AND
3:53:42PM ALL THE DOCUMENTATION, CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE THREE ACTIONS
3:53:46PM AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE HEARING.
3:53:48PM CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE VRB IN CASE
3:53:52PM VRB-22-70 AND DENY THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE GRAND TREE.
3:53:58PM CITY COUNCIL CAN REMAND THE MATTER BACK TO VRB WITH
3:54:02PM DIRECTION, OR FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE
3:54:06PM DECISION OF THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD IN CASE VRB-22-70 AND
3:54:11PM THEREBY GRANT THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE GRAND TREE.
3:54:15PM WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO STAFF.
3:54:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU BEGIN
3:54:36PM YOUR PRESENTATION, JUST IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY EX PARTE
3:54:40PM VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS, PLEASE DISCLOSE THEM IF THERE ARE ANY
3:54:44PM THAT NEED TO BE DISCLOSED PRIOR TO THE HEARING CONTINUING.
3:54:48PM ALSO A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE WRITTEN EX PARTE
3:54:51PM COMMUNICATIONS.
3:54:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:54:53PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:54:55PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:54:55PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:54:56PM THANK YOU.
3:54:56PM YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
3:54:58PM >> STEVEN EYSTER WITH NATURAL RESOURCES.
3:55:02PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
3:55:03PM THIS IS THE RECAP.
3:55:05PM HERE IS THE PROPERTY INFORMATION.
3:55:07PM THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MOBLEY HOMES CUSTOM LLC.
3:55:10PM THE APPLICANT IS MARC MOBLEY.
3:55:13PM THE ADDRESS IS 3122 WEST SAN JOSE STREET.
3:55:16PM THE ZONING IS RS 60.
3:55:18PM THE VARIANCE REQUESTED IS TO REMOVE A GRAND TREE TO
3:55:21PM CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
3:55:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THEY COULD PUT THIS ON OUR SCREEN.
3:55:30PM ALL WE SEE IS A CONSTRUCTION CONE.
3:55:31PM THERE WE GO. THANK YOU.
3:55:33PM >>STEVE EYSTER: THERE IS THE PROPERTY INFO, SO YOU GUYS CAN
3:55:36PM SEE THAT.
3:55:37PM THIS IS THE STANDARD REVIEW FOR A VARIANCE FOR GRAND TREE
3:55:41PM REMOVAL.
3:55:43PM IF YOU GUYS WANT TO READ THROUGH THAT.
3:55:45PM IT'S BROKEN INTO THREE SECTIONS, A, B AND C, AND IT COVERS
3:55:51PM THE BUILDING AREA, THE PROPOSED BUILDING, REDUCTIONS IN
3:55:56PM SETBACKS, ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS, THE COST OF
3:56:02PM UTILIZING ANY ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS AND THEN YOU
3:56:08PM CAN CONSIDER THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE AROUND.
3:56:11PM THIS IS THE VARIANCE BOARD'S DECISION, LIKE CAMARIA JUST
3:56:20PM COVERED.
3:56:20PM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THE CASE ON SEPTEMBER
3:56:23PM 13th.
3:56:24PM AFTER TESTIMONY IT WAS DENIED 5-1 TO REMOVE THE GRAND TREE.
3:56:27PM THE LOT IS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
3:56:31PM YOU CAN SEE THE OVERVIEW OF THE LOT.
3:56:35PM THIS WAS THE EXISTING HOME ON THE LOT.
3:56:39PM THAT HOUSE WAS DEMO'D BACK IN -- JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO AFTER
3:56:47PM MR. MOBLEY PURCHASED THE LOT.
3:56:49PM THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED HOME.
3:56:54PM A DESIGN EXCEPTION WAS APPLIED, SO HE CAN CONSTRUCT THE HOME
3:56:58PM TO THE 20-FOOT SETBACK IN THE FRONT, AND THEN THE FRONT
3:57:03PM PORCH.
3:57:04PM THESE WERE THE TWO ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS SHOWING A
3:57:07PM FRONT-LOADING GARAGE AND A SIDE-LOADING GARAGE.
3:57:11PM AND THEN IT'S IN THAT L-SHAPED TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE 20-FOOT
3:57:16PM PROTECTIVE RADIUS OF THE GRAND TREE THAT'S IN QUESTION.
3:57:19PM THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE TREE.
3:57:22PM JUST SO YOU GUYS CAN KIND OF SEE THE OVERALL SIZE.
3:57:26PM THE DBH OF THE TREE WAS 43 INCHES.
3:57:28PM THE CANOPY SPREAD WAS 57 BY 66, AND THE RATING ON THE TREE
3:57:32PM WAS B-6.
3:57:34PM AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
3:57:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
3:57:40PM GENTLEMAN?
3:57:41PM NO.
3:57:41PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
3:57:43PM >>STEVE EYSTER: NO PROBLEM.
3:57:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER OF CITY STAFF
3:57:48PM THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING OR THAT WAS IT?
3:57:51PM THAT IS IT.
3:57:53PM OKAY.
3:57:54PM NEXT UP WE HAVE THE APPLICANT.
3:58:02PM >>JAIME MAIER: GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:58:03PM AGAIN, JAIME MAIER, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, FROM THE LAW
3:58:06PM FIRM HILL WARD HENDERSON, 101 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, SUITE
3:58:09PM 3700 IN TAMPA.
3:58:11PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
3:58:12PM I HAVE A PowerPoint AS USUAL.
3:58:13PM I KNOW THE CHANGES -- I'LL TRY HERE, I GUESS.
3:58:18PM THAT WAS EASIER THAN LAST TIME.
3:58:45PM I ALSO HAVE WITH ME HERE TODAY MR. RICKY PETERIKA WHO WILL
3:58:52PM BE PROVIDING TESTIMONY.
3:58:54PM I HAVE SUBMITTED A COPY OF HIS CV INTO THE RECORD, REQUEST
3:58:57PM THAT HE BE ACCEPTED AS AN EXPERT.
3:59:00PM BEFORE HE PROVIDES TESTIMONY, THOUGH, I WOULD LIKE TO WALK
3:59:02PM YOU THROUGH MORE BACKGROUND IN ADDITION TO WHAT STAFF HAS
3:59:05PM PROVIDED AND TO DISCUSS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THE REASON
3:59:09PM WE'RE APPEALING THIS DECISION.
3:59:10PM AS YOU SAW, THE DECISION APPEALED WAS A DECISION OF THE
3:59:17PM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD TO DENY THE REQUEST TO REMOVE ONE
3:59:21PM GRAND TREE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE
3:59:23PM IN THE RS-60 ZONING DISTRICT.
3:59:26PM THE PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE IS TWO STORIES, THAT IS PERMITTED
3:59:32PM IN THE RS-60 ZONING DISTRICT.
3:59:34PM THE SETBACKS WITH WHICH THE TREE DIRECTLY CONFLICTS ARE ALSO
3:59:39PM THOSE THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE RS 60 ZONING DISTRICT.
3:59:42PM SO THE ISSUE IS THAT THE LOCATION OF THE TREE ON THE SITE IS
3:59:45PM DIRECTLY WITHIN THE BUILDABLE ENVELOPE THAT IS PERMITTED BY
3:59:48PM THE ZONING DISTRICT.
3:59:49PM AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THE SITE IS HEAVILY WOODED.
3:59:54PM ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOT THE MOST TREES GENERALLY ON OR AROUND
3:59:57PM IT OUT OF THE ENTIRE BLOCK.
3:59:58PM I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES, LIKE I
4:00:03PM SAID, ON AND AROUND THE SITE THAT AFFECT THE SITE.
4:00:06PM THE ONLY ONE BEING REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED I'LL SHOW YOU IN
4:00:10PM A COUPLE OF SLIDES AND YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN FROM NATURAL
4:00:12PM RESOURCES BUT I WANTED TO SHOW THE OTHER TREES THAT REMAIN
4:00:15PM ON SITE.
4:00:16PM THIS WILL NOT BE RAISED.
4:00:19PM THERE WILL BE TREES REMAINING ON AND AROUND THE SITE.
4:00:21PM LACK OF BETTER TERM, NAMED TREE A, B AND C AND LABELED THEM
4:00:26PM RELATIVE TO THE SITE PLAN.
4:00:27PM THIS TREE IS ALONG SAN JOSE STREET AND IS GOING TO REMAIN.
4:00:32PM TREE B IS IN THE REAR CORNER OF THE SITE.
4:00:36PM AND WILL REMAIN.
4:00:38PM AND TREE C IS ON THE SIDE KIND OF TO THE REAR ALONG
4:00:44PM ESPERANZA AND WILL REMAIN.
4:00:47PM I DO HAVE ANOTHER MORE CLOSE-UP FOR YOU, BUT I WANTED TO --
4:00:52PM I POINT OUT HERE THE TREE, THE REMOVAL TREE, I'LL CALL IT,
4:00:56PM STANDING FROM THE STREET ON SAN JOSE.
4:00:59PM YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF OTHER TREES THAT WILL REMAIN.
4:01:02PM AGAIN, IT'S CLEAR THAT FROM THE SITE PLAN, THIS TREE IS
4:01:05PM WITHIN THE BUILDABLE ENVELOPE.
4:01:07PM SO THE TREE IS LOCATED PRETTY CENTRALLY TO THE SITE.
4:01:13PM AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT YOU SEE IS PART OF THE
4:01:17PM BY RIGHT BUILDING ENVELOPE THAT A STRUCTURE PROPOSED HERE
4:01:22PM COULD BE BUILT ON UNDER THE ZONING.
4:01:24PM THE CANOPY TAKES UP A LOT OF THE SITE AS WELL.
4:01:26PM SO ALTHOUGH AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE POINTED OUT THIS IS A
4:01:33PM DE NOVO HEARING, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REASON THAT WE ARE
4:01:35PM APPEALING TO YOU TO ACHIEVE A DIFFERENT RESULT.
4:01:38PM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DID ERR IN MULTIPLE WAYS IN ITS
4:01:43PM DECISION MAKING.
4:01:44PM THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK AND THEY ENDED UP RELYING ON, IN
4:01:47PM LARGE PART, THE OUTDATED TREE CODE STANDARD, USING THE TERM
4:01:51PM "REASONABLE USE."
4:01:53PM THAT IS NOT EVEN IN THE CURRENT TREE CODE ANYMORE, THAT
4:01:57PM TERM.
4:01:58PM AND IT WAS USED -- MANY OF YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH IT
4:02:01PM BECAUSE THIS CHANGE WAS IN 2019.
4:02:02PM BUT IT WAS USED THROUGHOUT THIS HEARING, AND IT WAS BLENDED
4:02:07PM WITH THE CURRENT CODE THAT APPLIES, BUT THE CURRENT CODE
4:02:10PM USES THE REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION STANDARD WHICH MR.
4:02:13PM PETERIKA WILL DO A BETTER JOB OF WALKING YOU THROUGH THAN I
4:02:17PM WOULD, BUT THEY MISAPPLIED THAT TERM AS WELL, AND WE'LL SHOW
4:02:20PM YOU HOW.
4:02:20PM ULTIMATELY, THEY ALSO RELIED ON INAPPROPRIATE BASES FOR
4:02:25PM DENIAL THAT WERE NOT ROOTED IN THE CODE CRITERIA IN WHICH
4:02:28PM THEY WERE REQUIRED TO APPLY.
4:02:29PM NOW, THE CURRENT CODE IS DESIGNED PURPOSEFULLY TO BE
4:02:35PM OBJECTIVE, BUT BY BLENDING THE OLD CODE AND MISAPPLYING THE
4:02:38PM NEW CODE, THEY REACHED A TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE RESULT.
4:02:41PM OUR FIRM WAS NOT AT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARING,
4:02:45PM HOWEVER, WHEN WE REVIEWED THE TRANSCRIPT AND SAW HOW THE
4:02:48PM CODE HAD BEEN MISAPPLIED, THE FIRST STEP WAS TO ASK RICKY
4:02:52PM PETERIKA, WHO BETTER TO ASK BECAUSE HE WAS VERY INVOLVED IN
4:02:56PM THE TRANSITION OF THE CODE AND APPLIED THEM BOTH.
4:02:58PM HIS TESTIMONY WILL BE INVALUABLE.
4:03:00PM AGAIN, TO REITERATE, THE CODE WAS OVERHAULED IN 2019 TO
4:03:04PM CREATE AN OBJECTIVE PROCESS.
4:03:06PM THERE WERE EVEN WORKSHOPS HELD TRAINING CITY BOARD MEMBERS
4:03:09PM -- OR SITTING BOARD MEMBERS HOW TO APPLY IT BECAUSE IT WAS
4:03:13PM SUCH A DIFFERENT RESULT.
4:03:14PM AGAIN, THE OLD STANDARD WAS SUBJECTIVE.
4:03:17PM IT WAS MORE FOCUSED ON ANY CONCEIVABLE STRUCTURE THAT COULD
4:03:20PM BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY, IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE A
4:03:23PM SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, BUT ANY CONCEIVABLE CONFIGURATION OR
4:03:26PM SIZE OF THAT STRUCTURE THAT YOU COULD WORK AROUND THE TREE,
4:03:29PM THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A REASONABLE USE UNDER THE CODE AND
4:03:33PM THE TREE WOULD HAVE TO REMAIN.
4:03:35PM THE NEW STRUCTURE, OR THE NEW STANDARD IS OBJECTIVE,
4:03:38PM EVALUATING THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE THAT A GIVEN APPLICANT HAS
4:03:43PM PROPOSED AND ASKING, CAN THIS STRUCTURE, NOT ANY CONCEIVABLE
4:03:48PM STRUCTURE, BUT CAN THIS STRUCTURE BE REASONABLY
4:03:50PM RECONFIGURED.
4:03:52PM I'M USING QUOTES HERE BECAUSE THAT IS A DEFINED TERM IN THE
4:03:55PM CODE SUCH THAT IT COULD SAVE THE TREE.
4:03:58PM THE TERM REASONABLE CONFIGURATION IS NOT A SUBJECTIVE
4:04:02PM STANDARD.
4:04:02PM IT IS CLEARLY DEFINED.
4:04:03PM IT EITHER IS OR IT IS NOT.
4:04:05PM I'LL TURN IT OVER FOR A FEW MINUTES TO MR. PETERIKA TO
4:04:08PM EXPLAIN THAT.
4:04:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:04:10PM YES, SIR.
4:04:12PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
4:04:13PM RICKY PETERIKA, 308 EAST 7TH AVENUE.
4:04:16PM I'VE BEEN SWORN.
4:04:17PM THERE ARE FIVE CRITERIA FOR GRAND TREE REMOVAL.
4:04:21PM TABLE 284.2.5, THE TWO THAT APPLY MOST CLOSELY TO THIS CASE
4:04:27PM ARE THE SMALL LOT CRITERIA, THE TRZ AND GRAND TREE REMOVAL
4:04:33PM BY COMMISSION OR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY IMPACT REVIEWED BY A
4:04:38PM COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE VRB OR YOUR BODY.
4:04:41PM SMALL LOT CRITERIA WOULD APPLY TO THE LOT, BUT NOT TO THE
4:04:45PM TREE BECAUSE IT'S NOT LOCATED IN THE TRZ.
4:04:47PM SO -- WHICH IS WHY THEY WENT TO THE VRB.
4:04:51PM SO THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY
4:04:55PM IMPACT CRITERIA, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE, BUT THE MAIN
4:05:03PM COMPONENT THAT I'M SPEAKING TO IS ON THE BOTTOM, NO OTHER
4:05:07PM REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
4:05:10PM SO THAT IS DEFINED IN FOOTNOTE FIVE OF TABLE 284.2.5, KIND
4:05:18PM OF FIVE BULLET POINTS.
4:05:20PM IF THESE THINGS CAN BE DONE TO THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AS
4:05:26PM PROPOSED, THEN IT SHALL BE CONSIDERED.
4:05:29PM BASICALLY IT SHALL BE CONSIDERED REASONABLE.
4:05:32PM OTHERWISE, IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE.
4:05:33PM SO IT DOES NOT ADJUST THE STRUCTURE MORE THAN ALLOWED BY THE
4:05:37PM DESIGN EXCEPTION.
4:05:38PM SO NOT MORE THAN 25% FRONT OR BACK OR ONE FOOT SIDE TO SIDE.
4:05:43PM DOES NOT CHANGE THE NUMBER OF STORIES PROPOSED.
4:05:44PM SO IT DOESN'T GO FROM TWO TO THREE OR ONE OR TWO TO ONE AND
4:05:51PM DOES NOT ADVERSELY ALTER INTERNAL FLOW OR FUNCTION OF THE
4:05:55PM PROPOSED STRUCTURE, WHICH IS VERY FLAVORFUL STATEMENT ON
4:06:00PM WHAT INTERNAL FLOW AND FUNCTION IS, BUT I'VE ALWAYS
4:06:02PM INTERPRETED IT IS THIS THE SAME PROGRAM OF THE BUILDING THAT
4:06:09PM WE'RE PROPOSING IF JUST A DIFFERENT SHAPE OR DID WE LOSE
4:06:13PM PROGRAM, LOSE ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING FOR TREE
4:06:16PM PRESERVATION?
4:06:17PM LIKE I SAID, THE DESIGN EXCEPTION DOES NOT SHIFT THE
4:06:23PM BUILDING FAR ENOUGH OUTSIDE FROM CAUSING THE TREE OR THE
4:06:27PM BUILDING TO BE PRESERVED, OR THE TREE TO BE PRESERVED
4:06:31PM WITHOUT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT BEING AFFECTED.
4:06:33PM SO IT DOESN'T MEET THE DESIGN EXCEPTION ADJUSTMENT.
4:06:36PM TWO OPTIONS WERE PROPOSED AT THE VRB.
4:06:42PM BOTH BASICALLY NOTCH OUT A QUARTER OF THE BUILDING, AND THIS
4:06:46PM IS, WHICH IS SHOWN IN RED, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE
4:06:52PM BUILDING'S GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE LESSED OUT TO ACCOMMODATE
4:06:57PM TREE A, WHICH I EVALUATED AS TREE ONE AND TERMED IT TO BE A
4:07:02PM 43-INCH TREE, B-6, NON-HAZARDOUS GRAND TREE, IN AGREEMENT
4:07:07PM WITH NATURAL RESOURCES.
4:07:08PM SO THERE'S NO DISPUTE ABOUT THE CONDITION.
4:07:11PM JUST ABOUT WHAT REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION IS.
4:07:14PM SO BOTH OF THESE EXAMPLE -- OR 30% OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT
4:07:20PM IS LOST TO THE TREE PRESERVATION COMMITMENT.
4:07:26PM WHICH IS ADDRESSED HERE.
4:07:28PM ADDITIONALLY, BY SHOWING THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING --
4:07:37PM OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING, WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT
4:07:40PM ACTUALLY IS LOST FROM THE INTERNAL FLOW OR FUNCTION.
4:07:43PM WHICH IN THIS CASE, THE MASTER SUITE NO LONGER HAS THE
4:07:46PM MASTER BATH OR CLOSET.
4:07:48PM THE STAIRS ARE AFFECTED, WHICH COULD AFFECT THE SECOND
4:07:51PM FLOOR.
4:07:51PM IT GETS POTENTIALLY ESOTERIC AS WE APPLY THIS, BUT I THINK
4:07:56PM AT THE EASIER REVIEW IS, IS THIS THE SAME BUILDING THAT WAS
4:08:00PM PROPOSED?
4:08:01PM COULD IT JUST BE MOVED ON THE SITE AND ACCOMMODATED?
4:08:04PM NO.
4:08:04PM COULD IT BE INCREASED IN FLOORS OR DECREASED IN FLOORS
4:08:09PM WITHOUT LOSING SQUARE FOOTAGE?
4:08:11PM NO.
4:08:11PM SO BY THOSE CRITERIA, IN MY OPINION, IT'S NO LONGER
4:08:18PM REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION.
4:08:19PM THIS WAS PROPOSED BY STAFF, THIS OPTION, WHICH IS A SLIGHT
4:08:24PM HYBRID OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY MR. MOBLEY, BUT IT LOCATES AN
4:08:30PM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR A GARAGE.
4:08:33PM IN MY OPINION, THIS IS TECHNICALLY UNREASONABLE
4:08:37PM RECONFIGURATION BECAUSE WE LOST THE 30% ROUGHLY OF THE LOT
4:08:42PM AREA AND BY LITERALLY BREAKING THE BUILDING INTO TWO.
4:08:49PM AND ALL THAT'S BEEN BROKEN OFF IS THE GARAGE.
4:08:52PM SO THIS PROPOSAL FROM STAFF DURING THE HEARING, IN MY
4:08:56PM OPINION, WAS AN EXAMPLE OF AN UNREASONABLE RECONFIGURATION
4:09:03PM OPTION.
4:09:11PM >>JAIME MAIER: JUST TO SUMMARIZE AND THANK YOU, MR.
4:09:13PM PETERIKA, FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.
4:09:15PM SO YOU HEARD HOW THE FACTORS THE BOARD WAS REQUIRED TO
4:09:19PM CONSIDER, AND YOU SAW THEM IN THE STANDARD PROVIDED TO YOU
4:09:21PM BY THE CITY ATTORNEY I'M SURE IN YOUR PACKETS.
4:09:23PM THE BOARD WAS REQUIRED TO CONSIDER FACTORS IN THE CODE SUCH
4:09:26PM AS THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE ON THE TREE.
4:09:29PM WELL, AS YOU'VE SEEN, IT WOULD BE GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE
4:09:31PM TRUNK.
4:09:32PM OBVIOUSLY, THAT JUST CANNOT COEXIST.
4:09:35PM WHETHER IT CAN BE REASONABLY RECONFIGURED, AS THAT TERM IS
4:09:38PM DEFINED IN THE CODE, WHETHER THE SETBACKS COULD BE REDUCED
4:09:41PM TO PRESERVE IT, WHETHER ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION OR THE COST
4:09:45PM OF THAT ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION COULD PRESERVE IT.
4:09:47PM YOU'VE HEARD MR. PETERIKA'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THOSE
4:09:50PM FACTORS WEIGH IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE TREE BECAUSE THESE
4:09:53PM POTENTIAL FIXES THAT THE CODE SUGGESTS AND RECOMMENDS -- OR
4:09:56PM IT REQUIRES THE BOARD TO CONSIDER DON'T WORK HERE.
4:09:59PM NOW, INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING ALL OF THE THINGS IT WAS
4:10:02PM SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER AND ULTIMATELY WHAT IT MADE ITS
4:10:05PM DECISION ON WERE THINGS THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE CONSIDERED.
4:10:08PM AGAIN, THEY DISCUSSED AT LENGTH AND ASKED QUESTIONS OF
4:10:12PM STAFF, THE REASONABLE USE STANDARD, SAYING A HOME IS A HOME.
4:10:16PM ANY HOME, SUGGESTING THAT ANY HOME, INCLUDING THE
4:10:19PM THOUSAND-SQUARE-FOOT HOME THAT WAS IT THERE BEFORE, VERY
4:10:22PM SMALL, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED, WAS
4:10:25PM REASONABLE USE.
4:10:26PM UNDER THE OLD STANDARD, THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE
4:10:29PM RESULT, BUT THAT IS NOT THE STANDARD ANY LONGER AND THAT WAS
4:10:34PM A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO CHANGE THE CODE.
4:10:36PM IT IS UNRECOGNIZABLE FROM THE STANDARD THAT EXISTED IN 2019
4:10:39PM AND PRIOR.
4:10:40PM ALSO, AS AN EXPRESSED REASON FOR DENIAL WHEN THEY LISTED
4:10:45PM THEIR REASONS FOR DENYING THE APPLICATION, THEY EXPRESSLY
4:10:50PM STATED THAT THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS AND LETTERS IN OPPOSITION
4:10:53PM COULD NOT BE IGNORED.
4:10:55PM THAT WAS A REASON FOR DENIAL.
4:10:57PM THERE IS WELL-ESTABLISHED CASE LAW THAT SAYS A LARGE NUMBER
4:11:01PM OF RESIDENTS OPPOSING -- OR APPEARING TO OBJECT IS NOT A
4:11:07PM VALID BASIS FOR DENIAL OF A PERMIT.
4:11:08PM AND THEY STILL USED THAT AS A BASIS OF DENIAL OF A PERMIT.
4:11:13PM IN SUMMARY, YOU'VE SEEN HOW THIS STRUCTURE CANNOT BE
4:11:18PM REASONABLY RECONFIGURED, AGAIN, AS THAT TERM IS DEFINED IN
4:11:21PM THE CODE, IT IS NOT SUBJECTIVE.
4:11:22PM IT IS NOT ANYBODY'S IDEA OF WHAT REASONABLE COULD BE.
4:11:25PM THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF THE TERM IS A DEFINED TERM WITH
4:11:28PM CRITERIA.
4:11:29PM AND YOU'VE SEEN WHO IT CANNOT BE REASONABLY RECONFIGURED.
4:11:32PM THEREFORE, THE STRUCTURE THAT IS PROPOSED ON THIS SMALL LOT
4:11:35PM WHERE SEVERAL TREES ARE AT ISSUE, THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS
4:11:39PM CENTRALLY LOCATED.
4:11:40PM IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE BUILDABLE AREA THAT IS CREATED BY
4:11:44PM THE ZONING CODE.
4:11:48PM THE APPLICATION OF THE CORRECT CODE STANDARD WOULD HAVE
4:11:50PM RESULTED IN AN OBJECTIVE FINDING THAT THE TREE MUST BE
4:11:54PM REMOVED.
4:11:54PM THEREFORE, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT CITY COUNCIL APPLY
4:11:59PM THE CORRECT CODE STANDARD AND REVERSE THE VRB'S DECISION.
4:12:03PM THANK YOU.
4:12:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
4:12:06PM PETITIONER?
4:12:08PM HEARING NONE, MADAM CLERK, TO DO WITH WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED
4:12:11PM SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS OR NO?
4:12:13PM WE'LL TAKE THE REGISTERED SPEAKER FIRST AND THEN TO THE
4:12:21PM AUDIENCE.
4:12:21PM IF STEPHANIE POYNOR IS ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND BE
4:12:25PM READY TO BE SWORN IN IF YOU HAVEN'T.
4:12:27PM SHE'S ON.
4:12:37PM >>THE CLERK: SHE NEEDS TO TURN ON HER CAMERA AND UNMUTE
4:12:40PM HERSELF.
4:12:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. POYNOR, IF YOU CAN TURN YOUR CAMERA
4:12:43PM ON, WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN AND BEGIN PUBLIC COMMENT.
4:12:46PM THERE SHE IS.
4:12:47PM WELL, THERE IS THE CAMERA.
4:12:53PM OTHER WAY.
4:13:07PM >>THE CLERK: THERE SHE IS.
4:13:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
4:13:08PM IF YOU COULD BE SWORN IN AND UNMUTE YOURSELF.
4:13:13PM >>THE CLERK: MS. POYNOR, YOU'RE UNMUTED ON THE PLATFORM, SO
4:13:16PM YOU MAY NEED TO UNMUTE YOUR DEVICE.
4:13:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE STILL MUTED.
4:13:41PM MS. POYNOR, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
4:14:09PM WE'LL START WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE ROOM.
4:14:10PM SO STAND BY.
4:14:12PM IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE LINE UP, IF
4:14:15PM YOU ARE ABLE TO.
4:14:15PM AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
4:14:17PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME BEFORE SPEAKING.
4:14:19PM THANK YOU.
4:14:20PM YES, MA'AM.
4:14:21PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
4:14:22PM I'M MARY LEE MOTTO.
4:14:24PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
4:14:25PM I'M A GRADUATE OF THE MAYOR'S NEIGHBORHOOD UNIVERSITY CLASS
4:14:29PM 10 OF 2018, MEMBER OF PALMA CEIA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
4:14:32PM AND REGISTERED MEMBER OF THE CITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM,
4:14:36PM BUT, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I BUILT A HOUSE THREE PROPERTIES AWAY
4:14:39PM FROM THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
4:14:40PM IT'S MY FIRST TIME IN FRONT OF YOU ALL.
4:14:45PM LITTLE NERVOUS.
4:14:46PM THE STREET IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
4:14:48PM IT PROVIDES IMPORTANT AND IMPACTFUL SHADE FOR OUR
4:14:53PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:14:53PM IT PROVIDES MY DOG'S PAWS WITH THAT SHADE AS WE WALK THEM
4:15:00PM THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:15:00PM IT IS ONE OF THE LARGEST TREES IN MY COMMUNITY.
4:15:03PM I BELIEVE THE REMOVAL OF THIS TREE WOULD CAUSE MY FAMILY
4:15:06PM DIRECT HARM IN THE FORM OF DIMINISHED PROPERTY VALUE DUE TO
4:15:10PM REDUCTION OF THE VISIBLE TREE CANOPY.
4:15:13PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARM THAT I SPENT THE MONEY TO BUILD MY
4:15:16PM HOUSE IN AND THE AVAILABLE SHADE TO WALK MY DOGS IN ON
4:15:21PM SEVERELY HOT DAYS IN TAMPA.
4:15:23PM OUR TREE CANOPY IS CRITICAL TO KEEPING OUR TEMPERATURES
4:15:26PM DOWN.
4:15:27PM PLEASE HELP PROTECT THE TREE CANOPY OF OUR CITY.
4:15:31PM ACCORDING TO THE ARBORIST REPORT, THIS TREE WOULD HAVE TO BE
4:15:33PM REPLACED BY 16 TREES.
4:15:35PM 16 TO GET THE VALUE IT PROVIDES AND THE IMPACT AVAILABLE
4:15:39PM FROM IT TODAY.
4:15:40PM OF THE 42 PROPERTY OWNERS LISTED IN THE PETITION FOR REVIEW
4:15:44PM OF THE VRB DECISION DOCUMENT, I PERSONALLY CONTACTED THE
4:15:47PM FOLLOWING PROPERTY OWNERS TODAY AND HAVE AUTHORIZATION FROM
4:15:50PM EACH OF THEM TO ENTER THEIR NAME ON RECORD AS BEING OPPOSED
4:15:53PM TO THE REMOVAL OF THIS TREE.
4:15:55PM CAROLINE CARRIE, MARTIN FOWLER.
4:15:59PM MARY ELLEN WALKER.
4:16:01PM DORIS ANN PLATH.
4:16:04PM IN ADDITION, NANCY BRYANT IS A HOMEOWNER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
4:16:08PM AND AUTHORIZED ME TODAY TO ENTER HER NAME AS OPPOSED.
4:16:12PM MEGAN LABEL ALSO GRANTED ME AUTHORITY TO ENTER HER NAME ON
4:16:18PM RECORD FOR THE AGENDA ITEM AS BEING STRONGLY OPPOSED.
4:16:21PM RESIDENT, PROPERTY RENTER IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE LOT
4:16:24PM AND HAS E-MAILED HER STRONG OBJECTION AS WELL.
4:16:29PM IT IS POSTED IN THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS FOR THIS AGENDA
4:16:31PM ITEM.
4:16:32PM NANCY CONFIRMED THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OF 3119 WEST
4:16:36PM PALMIRA, SHARON HIGGINBOTHAM IS OPPOSED TO THE REMOVAL OF
4:16:41PM THE TREE AS WELL.
4:16:42PM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY AND FOR YOUR
4:16:45PM ATTENTION.
4:16:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:16:49PM YES, MA'AM, NEXT SPEAKER.
4:17:15PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
4:17:18PM LIFELONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
4:17:19PM SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE BUILDING COMMUNITY WAS FED UP WITH
4:17:22PM THE TAMPA TREE CODE.
4:17:24PM THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT A PROPERTY AND KNOW WHAT THEY COULD
4:17:27PM BUILD.
4:17:27PM THEY NEEDED PREDICTABILITY TO EVALUATE THEIR PURCHASES.
4:17:30PM SO FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, TREE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING AND
4:17:35PM BUILDERS AND CITY COUNCIL WORKED TOGETHER TO WRITE A NEW
4:17:38PM TAMPA TREE CODE.
4:17:40PM I AM HERE TODAY ASKING YOU TO UPHOLD THE CODE THAT YOU AND I
4:17:44PM AND THE BUILDERS WROTE TOGETHER.
4:17:47PM WE TREE ADVOCATES MADE A HUGE COMPROMISE AND AGREED TO A
4:17:50PM LARGE TREE REMOVAL ZONE ON SMALLER LOTS, THE TRZ.
4:17:54PM WE AGREED THAT A TREE IN THE BUILDABLE FOOTPRINT OF A
4:17:57PM SMALLER LOT COULD BE CUT DOWN AND WE WOULDN'T FIND IT.
4:18:00PM THESE ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
4:18:03PM WE SACRIFICED THE TREES INSIDE THE TRZ TO SAVE THE TREES
4:18:07PM OUTSIDE THE TRZ.
4:18:08PM BUT IF BUILDERS CAN CUT DOWN THOSE TREES, TOO, THEN WHAT DID
4:18:12PM THEY GIVE UP?
4:18:13PM WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR COMPROMISE?
4:18:15PM WE NEGOTIATED IN GOOD FAITH AND I BELIEVE CITY COUNCIL
4:18:19PM NEGOTIATED IN GOOD FAITH WHEN THEY UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE
4:18:21PM NEW TREE CODE.
4:18:24PM ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS COMPROMISE TO ACHIEVE PREDICTABILITY SO
4:18:27PM THAT TIME AND RESOURCES AREN'T WASTED.
4:18:30PM AND YET HERE WE ARE AGAIN WASTING TIME AND RESOURCES.
4:18:33PM THIS TREE IS NOT IN THE TRZ.
4:18:35PM IT IS A VERY HEALTHY, B-RATED TREE THAT WILL LIVE FOR
4:18:40PM CENTURIES.
4:18:41PM THERE WAS A NORMAL SIZE HOUSE IN GOOD CONDITION ON THIS
4:18:44PM PROPERTY.
4:18:44PM MULTIPLE PEOPLE TESTIFIED TO THE VRB THAT THEY WOULD LOVE
4:18:48PM AND BUY THE HOUSE FOR $515,000 THAT MR. MOBLEY PAID FOR IT
4:18:52PM BUT THEY NEVER GOT THE CHANCE BECAUSE IT NEVER WENT ON THE
4:18:55PM MARKET, SO THEY ARE STILL LOOKING FOR A HOME.
4:18:57PM ARBORIST DAVID RILEY EVALUATED THIS TREE BEFORE THE SALE.
4:19:00PM THE BUYER KNEW IT WAS A VERY HEALTHY GRAND OAK THAT WAS NOT
4:19:03PM IN THE TRZ AND COULD NOT BE REMOVED.
4:19:07PM THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA YOU MUST CONSIDER.
4:19:09PM YOUR DECISION BOILS DOWN TO THIS.
4:19:11PM CAN A HOME BE REASONABLY CONFIGURED ON THIS LOT WITHOUT
4:19:15PM KILLING THIS GRAND TREE?
4:19:16PM THE ANSWER IS AN OBVIOUS YES.
4:19:19PM THE CITY ARBORIST THINKS IT CAN BE SAVED JUST BY HAVING A
4:19:22PM DETACHED GARAGE AND USING SOME OF THE PIER AND LINTEL
4:19:25PM CONSTRUCTION.
4:19:26PM THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE MARKET IN A PENDING STATUS AS A
4:19:29PM SIX-BEDROOM, FOUR-BATH, 3,515-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE WITH A PRICE
4:19:34PM TAG OF $1,599,000.
4:19:37PM ON A 50 BY 100 LOT.
4:19:40PM A NEW HOUSE CAN BE BUILT THERE WITHOUT DAMAGING THE TREE.
4:19:43PM IT MIGHT NEED TO BE SMALLER THAN SIX BEDROOMS, BUT THAT
4:19:47PM SOUNDS LIKE REASONABLE CONFIGURATION TO ME.
4:19:49PM WE HAVE A TREE CODE THAT TOLD HIM HE COULD NOT REMOVE THIS
4:19:52PM TREE.
4:19:53PM THE VRB EVALUATED THE CRITERIA AND VOTED 5-1 THAT HE COULD
4:19:56PM NOT REMOVE THIS TREE.
4:19:59PM PLEASE UPHOLD THE VRB RULING AND DENY THE VARIANCE.
4:20:01PM IF EVERYONE KNOWS THE CITY IS GOING TO ENFORCE THE TREE CODE
4:20:05PM THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS WROTE, PEOPLE WILL START BUILDING THE
4:20:08PM RIGHT THING IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND YOUR TIME AND RESOURCES
4:20:10PM WON'T BE WASTED ON VARIANCES AND APPEALS AND YOU WILL GIVE
4:20:14PM BUILDERS THE PREDICTABILITY THAT THEY DEMANDED.
4:20:16PM THANK YOU.
4:20:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:20:18PM NEXT SPEAKER.
4:20:19PM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
4:20:23PM >> BOB WHITMORE WITH CITY TREE.
4:20:25PM I'M GOING OFF SCRIPT.
4:20:27PM GOING TO USE THE --
4:20:31PM THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
4:20:33PM EXPERTS COME IN WHEN A BUILDER WANTS TO BUILD ON PROPERTY
4:20:41PM THAT IS IN THE WAY WITH A TREE THAT'S IN THE WAY.
4:20:45PM I'M GOING TO BITE ON THIS REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION ISSUE.
4:20:50PM THIS IS A COURTROOM RIGHT NOW, AND YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO MAKE
4:20:53PM A DECISION.
4:20:54PM YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT SPARROWS, SQUIRRELS AND TREE
4:20:57PM HUGGERS.
4:20:58PM YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT A FACT.
4:20:59PM MR. MOBLEY HAS THREE MODELS.
4:21:02PM THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CAN PICK OUT OF HIS CONFIGURATIONS.
4:21:08PM THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS CUSTOM ABOUT MOBLEY CUSTOM HOMES.
4:21:15PM HE WILL GO IN.
4:21:16PM ELMO DOWN WHATEVER HAS TO BE TAKEN DOWN TO PUT HIS BOXES ON
4:21:21PM THAT PROPERTY.
4:21:23PM HE DID NOT TRY TO REASONABLY RECONFIGURE THIS HOUSE.
4:21:29PM A SHARPIE MARKER SKETCH OVER OLD PLANS IS NOT REASONABLE
4:21:35PM RECONFIGURATION.
4:21:36PM MR. MOBLEY IN THE VRB ADMITTED HE HAS NO ARCHITECT ON STAFF.
4:21:42PM HE HAS NOBODY THAT CAN GO IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MR. MOBLEY,
4:21:47PM IF WE JUST SHIFT THIS OVER A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE WE CAN SAVE
4:21:52PM THIS TREE.
4:21:52PM IT'S NOT THERE.
4:21:54PM SO HE CAN'T DO IT AND HE'S NOT GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY TO
4:21:57PM DO IT, BECAUSE HE KNOWS WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD A HOUSE ON
4:22:01PM THIS PROPERTY WITH THE AMOUNT OF MATERIALS THAT HE USED FOR
4:22:04PM EVERY OTHER SINGLE PROPERTY THAT HE IS PLOPPING DOWN ON
4:22:09PM PIECES OF LAND THROUGHOUT SOUTH TAMPA, WITHOUT EVEN GIVING
4:22:13PM ANY CONSIDERATION FOR DESIGN AND LOOKING AT THINGS THAT
4:22:17PM ACTUALLY SORT OF FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:22:20PM HE'S IN IT FOR THE MONEY.
4:22:21PM HE'S BUILDING BOXES PEOPLE BUY FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
4:22:26PM DOLLARS.
4:22:26PM HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.
4:22:29PM HE KNOWS HIS MARKET.
4:22:30PM HE KNOWS PEOPLE CAN BUY HIS HOUSE YOU SEE.
4:22:34PM WHAT IS HE TAKING AWAY?
4:22:35PM HE'S TAKING AWAY -- MR. MIRANDA, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU DON'T
4:22:40PM WANT TO GIVE AWAY WATER.
4:22:41PM HE'S TAKING AWAY AIR.
4:22:42PM HE'S TAKING AWAY SHADE.
4:22:44PM HE'S TAKING AWAY -- WE ARE SELLING THAT TO THE HIGHEST
4:22:46PM BIDDER.
4:22:47PM MR. MOBLEY IS ONE OF THE WORST OFFENDERS FOR GETTING THAT
4:22:50PM AND GIVING NOTHING BACK TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
4:22:53PM HE IS LOOKING TO MAKE MONEY.
4:22:56PM HE WANTS HIS WAY.
4:22:58PM THE VRB SAID THEY COULD NOT HAVE HIS WAY AND THEY SAID WHY
4:23:02PM HE COULD NOT HAVE HIS WAY.
4:23:04PM THERE'S A LOT OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS, YEAH, THROWING VERBIAGE
4:23:08PM UP.
4:23:08PM YOU GUYS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE TIME TO LOOK INTO THAT.
4:23:11PM THE FACT IS THE VRB SAID, LOOK, YOU CAN PUT THIS UP.
4:23:15PM THE TREE IS THIS FAR AWAY FROM WHERE THE ENVELOPE IS.
4:23:18PM MAYBE YOU CAN FIX IT SO THAT YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND BUILD A
4:23:21PM HOUSE THERE.
4:23:23PM DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.
4:23:24PM TOO MUCH TROUBLE.
4:23:26PM BRINGS A LAWYER AND BRINGS AN EXPERT AND HE GOES AHEAD AND
4:23:29PM HE THROWS IT OUT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AND HE'S GOING TO PLAY
4:23:32PM YOU.
4:23:33PM THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY YOU AND I HOPE THEY DON'T.
4:23:35PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
4:23:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
4:23:37PM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
4:23:40PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
4:23:42PM >> ALEJANDRO WHITE.
4:23:44PM I LIVE ON SAN JOSE STREET.
4:23:47PM AND I'VE SEEN HOW MY BLOCK HAS CHANGED AND THE TREES ARE
4:23:51PM GONE.
4:23:52PM I DON'T WANT TO ALLOW THIS -- I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS
4:23:56PM HAPPEN AGAIN.
4:23:58PM THANK YOU.
4:23:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:24:00PM THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
4:24:02PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
4:24:03PM YES, MA'AM.
4:24:05PM >> CAROL ANN DEE.
4:24:08PM PALMA CEIA RESIDENT.
4:24:11PM THIS MORNING, I WALKED BY THE TREE IN QUESTION TWO BLOCKS
4:24:13PM FROM MY HOUSE.
4:24:14PM MY HUSBAND AND I OFTEN WALK BY IN THE EVENING AND ENJOY THIS
4:24:18PM BEAUTIFUL OAK.
4:24:19PM IT WOULD BE A GREAT INJUSTICE TO CUT IT DOWN FOR ANOTHER
4:24:23PM GIANT HOUSE THAT GOES FROM LOT LINE TO LOT LINE.
4:24:30PM THIS TREE IS IN WHAT WOULD BE KNOWN AS THE BACKYARD OF THE
4:24:35PM LOT WHEN THERE WERE SUCH THINGS AS BACKYARDS.
4:24:38PM IT'S NOT CENTRALLY LOCATED, AS THEY HAVE SAID.
4:24:41PM IT'S TOWARDS THE BACK.
4:24:42PM IT'S TOWARDS THE SIDE.
4:24:44PM IT'S IN THE BACKYARD.
4:24:46PM THE DEVELOPER, MR. MOBLEY, COULD BUILD AROUND THE TREE, BUT
4:24:49PM THAT IS NOT WHAT HE DOES.
4:24:52PM HE HAS HIS HOUSE PLANS, AND THE LOT NEEDS TO CONFORM TO HIS
4:24:57PM COOKIE-CUTTER HOUSES, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
4:25:01PM IT CREATES A HARDSHIP FOR HIM BECAUSE IT MIGHT INTERFERE
4:25:04PM WITH HIS BOTTOM LINE.
4:25:05PM THE COUNCIL WOULD DO WELL TO CONSIDER ALSO THE HARDSHIP TO
4:25:09PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY BY THE DESTRUCTION OF
4:25:13PM ANOTHER GRAND TREE ON MR. MOBLEY'S BOTTOM LINE.
4:25:16PM JUST MONTHS AGO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AGAIN, JUST DOWN THE
4:25:20PM STREET FROM MY HOUSE, WE LOST A BEAUTIFUL GRAND OAK FOR ONE
4:25:25PM OF MR. MOBLEY'S HOUSES.
4:25:27PM HE IS A FREQUENT VICTIM OF HARDSHIP AT CITY HALL, BUT I AM
4:25:32PM HOPING THAT TODAY THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THE HARDSHIP TO
4:25:35PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PLANET AND LISTEN TO THE VARIANCE
4:25:39PM REVIEW BOARD AND CITY STAFF WHO HAVE WISELY RECOMMENDED THAT
4:25:44PM THIS LOVELY TREE BE SAVED.
4:25:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:25:46PM NEXT SPEAKER.
4:25:48PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
4:25:56PM >> CAN YOU SEE THIS?
4:25:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES -- UH, IF WE COULD ACTIVATE THE
4:26:01PM OVERHEAD.
4:26:02PM IT'S STILL SHOWING THE PowerPoint.
4:26:09PM OKAY.
4:26:09PM NOW WE CAN SEE THEM.
4:26:10PM THERE WE GO.
4:26:11PM YES, MA'AM.
4:26:11PM THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS OFF VIEW.
4:26:19PM NO, NO.
4:26:20PM THOSE PICTURES ARE FINE.
4:26:21PM THE SINGLE BOTTOM PHOTO IS OUT OF VIEW.
4:26:25PM THERE WE GO.
4:26:25PM THANK YOU.
4:26:27PM >> BEFORE I BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF I COULD SHOW YOU ALL
4:26:31PM AN 18-SECOND VIDEO OF THE TREE.
4:26:34PM I TALKED TO TOM DEA AHEAD OF TIME AND HE SAID I WOULD HAVE
4:26:37PM TO ASK YOU.
4:26:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
4:26:40PM ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL?
4:26:42PM WHO HAS THE VIDEO?
4:26:43PM >> HE HAS IT.
4:26:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
4:26:46PM IF YOU COULD PLAY THE VIDEO.
4:26:48PM THERE WE GO.
4:26:49PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
4:26:50PM MY NAME IS LORRAINE PERINO.
4:26:52PM I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
4:26:53PM I'M PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY GROUP.
4:26:55PM ON JULY 7th, 2022, THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ISSUED A
4:26:59PM RARE WARNING TO TAMPA RESIDENTS TO EXERCISE CAUTION WHILE
4:27:02PM OUTDOORS AS THE HEAT INDEX THAT DAY WOULD MEET THE 93-DEGREE
4:27:07PM TEMPERATURE FEEL LIKE 110 DEGREES.
4:27:09PM DESPITE THE CLIMATE CHANGE ALARM BELLS GOING OFF DAILY,
4:27:13PM MOBLEY PETITIONED THE CITY TO RESCIND THE VRB DECISION AND
4:27:15PM ALLOW HIM TO DESTROY ONE OF TAMPA'S MOST ESSENTIAL, VALUABLE
4:27:19PM AND BEAUTIFUL TREES.
4:27:20PM HEALTHY 50-FOOT TALL GRAND OAK LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE
4:27:23PM BUILDABLE AREA TO BUILD A LARGER STRUCTURE THAN THE CITY
4:27:26PM CODE ALLOWS.
4:27:27PM IS THIS THE BEHAVIOR OF A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN OR IS IT
4:27:30PM GREED?
4:27:30PM THE BUILDER ASSERTS THAT REMOVING THIS GRAND OAK WOULD ALLOW
4:27:33PM THE PROPERTY TO BE USED IN THE SAME MANNER AS OTHER LOTS OF
4:27:38PM THE SAME SIZE IN THE SAME AREA.
4:27:40PM OTHER LOTS OF THE SAME SIZE DO NOT CONTAIN A HEALTHY 50-FOOT
4:27:44PM GRAND OAK GROWING ON THEM.
4:27:45PM NOTE THAT THE CITY ARBORIST PLAN PROPOSES AN ALTERNATE
4:27:49PM DESIGN WHICH WOULD PRESERVE THE OLD GROWTH GRAND OAK FOR
4:27:52PM FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY.
4:27:53PM MOBLEY ADMITS TO PURCHASING THE PROPERTY WITH THE TREE ON
4:27:55PM IT.
4:27:57PM YET ASTONISHINGLY CLAIMS THAT THE GRAND TREE HAS CREATED A
4:28:00PM HARDSHIP ON HIM.
4:28:01PM EVEN THOUGH THE TREE IS PROTECTED BY THE CITY'S TREE
4:28:03PM ORDINANCE, HE FIGURES HE CAN BEAT THE SYSTEM AND DESTROY THE
4:28:07PM TREE BY APPEALING TO THE CITY.
4:28:09PM REMOVING A TREE OF THIS SIZE AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE
4:28:12PM NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS WOULD ALSO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEIR
4:28:14PM HEALTH AS THE LOSS OF SHADE AND COOL AIR THAT THE TREE
4:28:17PM PROVIDES WOULD CAUSE THE HEAT INDEX TO RISE DRAMATICALLY AS
4:28:20PM REFERENCED ABOVE.
4:28:20PM THE GRAND OAK'S REMOVAL WOULD ALSO INCREASE AIR POLLUTION IN
4:28:24PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RESULTING FROM THE RELEASE OF CO2, WHICH
4:28:28PM HAS BEEN STORED IN ITS TRUNK, AND THE CO2 WHICH IT WOULD
4:28:32PM CEASE TO CAPTURE.
4:28:32PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD ALSO BE DEPRIVED OF THE TREE'S BEAUTY
4:28:35PM AND THE PURE OXYGEN WHICH IT PUMPS OUT DAILY AND SONGBIRDS,
4:28:38PM SQUIRRELS, BUTTERFLIES, AND ALL WILDLIFE DEPENDENT ON THIS
4:28:41PM GRAND OAK WOULD BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED.
4:28:43PM DESPITE THESE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES, THE BUILDER FALSELY
4:28:46PM ASSERTS THAT BY REMOVING THE TREE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS ARE
4:28:49PM NOT COMPROMISED OR INJURIOUS IN ANY WAY TO THE PUBLIC
4:28:52PM HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE.
4:28:54PM MOBLEY HOMES ONLY CARES FOR THE SELFISH INTERESTS, NOT THE
4:28:57PM GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY.
4:28:57PM MOBLEY CLAIMS THAT THE PROPOSED VARIANCE IS IN HARMONY WITH
4:29:01PM TAMPA'S COMP PLAN.
4:29:02PM HOWEVER, THE COMP PLANS URBAN FORESTRY SECTION STATES, TREE
4:29:06PM CANOPY IS A VITAL COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ASSET THAT IS
4:29:09PM APPRECIATED AND DESIRED BY RESIDENTS IN NEW AND ESTABLISHED
4:29:12PM NEIGHBORHOODS ALIKE.
4:29:12PM THE PROTECTION AND SUPPLEMENTATION OF THIS CANOPY, TREE
4:29:16PM CANOPY IS A NECESSITY IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THE RESOURCE AND
4:29:19PM MAINTAIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS SUCH AS COOLER
4:29:22PM TEMPERATURES THAT THE CANOPY -- MATURE CANOPY PROVIDES.
4:29:24PM THE 2011 URBAN FOREST ANALYSIS STATES, UNLIKE OTHER PUBLIC
4:29:30PM INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENTS, PROPERLY PLANTED AND MAINTAINED
4:29:32PM TREES INCREASE IN VALUE OVER TIME.
4:29:34PM PAST TIME TO STOP CATERING TO THE SELFISH DESIRES OF
4:29:38PM BUILDERS BY NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DESTROY TAMPA'S OLD GROWTH
4:29:42PM TREES AND NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR OWN HEALTH.
4:29:44PM INSTEAD, LET'S PRESERVE TAMPA'S GRAND TREES AND CHERISH THEM
4:29:47PM FOR THE BEAUTY, HEALTH BENEFITS, AND QUALITY OF LIFE THAT
4:29:51PM THEY PROVIDE FOR US AT SUCH A MINIMAL COST.
4:29:53PM PLEASE VOTE NO TO THE SELF-SERVING APPEAL AND VOTE TO
4:29:56PM PRESERVE ONE OF TAMPA'S MOST BEAUTIFUL OLD-GROWTH GRAND OAKS
4:30:00PM FOR ALL OF TAMPA.
4:30:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
4:30:02PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:30:02PM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
4:30:10PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
4:30:11PM CAROL CAMISSA, PALMA CEIA.
4:30:14PM I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
4:30:15PM I'M ALSO A DOG GRANNY, AND I WALK IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:30:20PM AND ENJOY THE SHADE, THE BEAUTY OF THE TREE, THE BRICK
4:30:26PM STREETS.
4:30:26PM MR. MOBLEY HAS CLAIMED THAT HIS -- ONE OF HIS THREE MODELS
4:30:30PM THAT HE INTENDS TO PUT THERE WILL NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTER
4:30:32PM OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES AND MY OWN
4:30:37PM WALKS THERE, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT STRONGLY.
4:30:40PM IN MY DOG WALKS, I ALSO SEE OTHER PROPERTIES CONSTANTLY
4:30:45PM BEING DEVELOPED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
4:30:48PM THE LOTS THAT HAVE A MOBLEY SIGN ON THEM GENERALLY ARE ONES
4:30:52PM THAT ARE FLAT, TREELESS, AND CAN ACCOMMODATE ONE OF HIS
4:30:58PM THREE MODELS.
4:30:58PM THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPERS, AND I'M NOT HERE TO PROMOTE OR
4:31:03PM NOT, ANY PARTICULAR DEVELOPER, BUT I SEE PLACES WHERE TREES
4:31:07PM ARE ROPED OFF AND TRACTORS MOVE AROUND AND THAT KIND OF
4:31:11PM THING.
4:31:12PM IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.
4:31:16PM THIS IS A SMALLER LOT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MODUS OPERANDI OF
4:31:21PM THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER, AND I DON'T THINK THAT GIVEN THE
4:31:25PM STRENGTH OF THE COMMUNITY'S FEELINGS AND CASE THAT THEY ARE
4:31:31PM MAKING ABOUT SAVING THIS TREE, SOMEONE PUSHING SOMETHING, A
4:31:35PM WAIVER THROUGH THE SYSTEM JUST BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESS MODEL
4:31:39PM DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE THIS PARTICULAR LOT AND THIS PARTICULAR
4:31:44PM TREE IS A GOOD CASE FOR A WAIVER.
4:31:47PM SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO DENY THAT REQUEST.
4:31:50PM THANK YOU.
4:31:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:31:51PM STEPHANIE POYNOR, ARE YOU UNMUTED?
4:32:12PM IS SHE LOGGED IN STILL?
4:32:27PM >>THE CLERK: MS. POYNOR, JUST TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AND UNMUTE
4:32:30PM YOURSELF, PLEASE.
4:32:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE APOLOGIZE, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME
4:32:47PM TECHNICAL ISSUES.
4:32:49PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
4:32:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
4:32:52PM TURN YOUR CAMERA.
4:33:00PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
4:33:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT WE CAN'T SEE YOU.
4:33:09PM >> NO WORRIES.
4:33:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:33:12PM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
4:33:14PM WE'LL GO TO ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENT, IF THERE IS ANY.
4:33:21PM YES, MA'AM.
4:33:25PM >>JAYNE NMADU: GOOD AFTERNOON.
4:33:27PM JAYNE NMADU, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
4:33:28PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
4:33:29PM I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH FURTHER
4:33:34PM CLARIFICATION REGARDING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE LEGAL
4:33:38PM REPRESENTATION FOR THE APPLICANT BROUGHT UP.
4:33:41PM SHE DID MENTION, SHE TALKS ABOUT REASONABLE USE OR
4:33:46PM REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION AS THE DISCUSSION THAT WENT ON
4:33:49PM DURING THE VRB HEARING.
4:33:50PM ULTIMATELY, THE DECISION OF THE BOARD WAS BASED ON SECTION
4:33:55PM 27-284.2.5 F.
4:34:03PM THAT IS THE PARAMETER WITHIN WHICH THE BOARD HAS TO DECIDE
4:34:09PM WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE A GRAND TREE.
4:34:11PM AND THEY DID TALK ABOUT REASONABLE USE AS TO THE FACT THAT
4:34:14PM THERE WAS A HOUSE PREVIOUSLY ON THIS PROPERTY AND THE
4:34:19PM APPLICANT DID SAY THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT A HOME ON THIS
4:34:25PM PROPERTY WITHOUT REMOVING THE TREE.
4:34:26PM AND THAT WAS HOW THAT CONVERSATION WENT.
4:34:28PM THERE WAS ACTUALLY A HOUSE AND THE TREE WAS THERE.
4:34:30PM SHE DID TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT -- AND I THINK IT WAS THE
4:34:38PM EXPERT THAT SPOKE ABOUT ALTERING THE INTERNAL FLOW OF THE
4:34:43PM STRUCTURE OR THE PROPOSED DESIGN.
4:34:46PM AGAIN, THAT SECTION SAYS ADVERSELY ALTERED, SO IF YOU'RE
4:34:51PM ALTERING THE INTERNAL FLOW THAT YOU CANNOT FUNCTION IN THE
4:34:56PM HOUSE IN THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE TO ALTER THE HOUSE, THEN IT'S
4:34:59PM ADVERSELY ALTERED.
4:35:00PM IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CANNOT ALTER THE FLOW OF THE INTERNAL
4:35:04PM STRUCTURE.
4:35:04PM THEY DID PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS, AND I'VE BEEN DOING
4:35:09PM THE VARIANCES FOR A LITTLE BIT AS IN PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS
4:35:18PM SUBMITTING ALTERNATE SITE PLANS SHOW THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY
4:35:24PM TRYING TO PRESERVE THE TREE.
4:35:25PM THAT IS THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS THAT
4:35:28PM YOU SHOW US THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SEE HOW THIS TREE CAN BE
4:35:33PM PRESERVED.
4:35:33PM WITH THE SITE PLANS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, THEIR LEGAL
4:35:40PM REPRESENTATION SAID THAT THE SITE PLANS SHOW THAT THIS TREE
4:35:43PM CANNOT BE SAVED.
4:35:44PM WHAT THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE TO US IS THE PROPOSED PLAN
4:35:50PM WITH A CUTOUT OF THE SECTION OF THE RADIUS OF THE TREE.
4:35:54PM UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF CREATIVITY OR EVEN THE
4:36:00PM INTENT TO RECONFIGURE BECAUSE BASICALLY THE SAME THING
4:36:05PM WITHOUT ACTUALLY MASSAGING THIS PLAN.
4:36:07PM AND WE, AS STAFF, WE TAKE WHAT YOU GIVE TO US.
4:36:13PM WE CAN'T SAY WE WOULD REJECT IT BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE SITE
4:36:16PM PLANS ARE WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE THEN TO MAKE THEM.
4:36:19PM WE SEE A LOT OF PLANS WHERE THE APPLICANT IS REALLY NOT
4:36:22PM TRYING BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT AN EFFORT TO
4:36:28PM SAVE THE TREE.
4:36:29PM BUT WE SEE THE SITE PLANS, PART OF WHAT THE CODE SAYS IS
4:36:33PM THAT THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN SHOULD ACCOUNT FOR THE
4:36:40PM PROVISION OF THE CODE TO REDUCE YOUR SETBACKS TO SAVE A
4:36:44PM TREE.
4:36:45PM AND THAT IS IN SECTION 27-284, THE SECTION THAT THE BOARD
4:36:53PM HAS TO LOOK AT, IT SAYS IN C, WHETHER THE REDUCTION OF THE
4:36:56PM REQUIRED SETBACK FOR THE PARAMETER BUILDING OR STRUCTURE AS
4:37:00PM PROVIDED IN SECTION 27-156, ALLOW THE LOCATION OF THE
4:37:04PM BUILDING SUFFICIENT TO PRESERVE THE GRAND TREE REQUESTED FOR
4:37:08PM REMOVAL.
4:37:09PM THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, THEY
4:37:11PM DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE SETBACK REDUCTIONS PROVIDED BY THE
4:37:15PM CODE.
4:37:15PM SO THEY ARE NOT LOOKING TO SEE HOW THIS COULD -- AND THEY
4:37:19PM COULD GET A LOT OF LATITUDE IF THEY DID TAKE CONCENTRATION
4:37:26PM OF THE SETBACK REDUCTIONS TO SAVE A GRAND TREE THAT THE CODE
4:37:29PM HAS PROVIDED.
4:37:29PM THE OTHER THING IS THAT -- AND THEY DID MENTION THE PROPOSAL
4:37:34PM BY NATURAL RESOURCES IN HIS PROPOSAL FOR HOW THEY COULD
4:37:38PM MASSAGE THE BUILDING.
4:37:40PM WHAT HE DID WAS BASED ON THE ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS THAT
4:37:43PM THEY PROVIDED.
4:37:44PM THAT WAS NOT HIS PROPOSAL.
4:37:46PM SO WHEN THEY SAY THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCES PROPOSAL FAILED
4:37:50PM OR NOT BE VISIBLE, HE WAS JUST WORKING OFF OF WHAT THEY HAD
4:37:53PM ALREADY PROVIDED TO US AND SAYING, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE
4:37:56PM LOOKING AT AS AN ALTERNATIVE, THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE THIS
4:37:59PM WORK.
4:37:59PM DURING THE HEARING, I BELIEVE IT WAS -- I CAN BE CORRECTED
4:38:06PM IF I AM WRONG.
4:38:07PM I BELIEVE IT WAS THE BOARD MEMBER OONA JOHNSEN WHO POSED THE
4:38:14PM QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT TO SAY WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO
4:38:18PM CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS IN ORDER TO SAVE
4:38:20PM THE TREE.
4:38:21PM HIS RESPONSE TO THAT WAS, NO, HE DECLINED.
4:38:24PM THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE SECTION THAT SAYS IN
4:38:28PM E, THE COST OF ANY ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS OR
4:38:33PM REDUCTION IN THE USE OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, HE WAS NOT
4:38:36PM WILLING TO EVEN CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE METHODS EVEN THOUGH
4:38:41PM WITH PIER AND LINTEL CONSTRUCTION YOU COULD ENCROACH INTO
4:38:45PM THAT PROTECTED RADIUS.
4:38:47PM SO THE LAST THING I'LL SAY REGARDING WHAT THIS IS ABOUT,
4:38:56PM ZONING SETBACKS AND THE BUILDABLE AREA TO SAY THAT WHAT THEY
4:38:58PM ARE PROPOSING IS WITHIN THE BUILDABLE AREA.
4:39:01PM CORRECT, YOU'RE WITHIN THE SETBACKS FOR YOUR ZONING.
4:39:04PM HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A CODE THAT PROTECTS GRAND TREES.
4:39:08PM SO OUR ZONING SETBACK DOES NOT NEGATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE
4:39:12PM A TREE THAT IS PROTECTED BY THE CODE.
4:39:14PM THE CODE DOESN'T CONTRADICT ITSELF.
4:39:17PM SO WE HAVE SETBACK REDUCTIONS IN ORDER TO SAVE THE GRAND
4:39:21PM TREE.
4:39:21PM SO, YES, YOU ARE WITHIN THE SETBACKS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A
4:39:24PM CODE THAT WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT PROTECTS THE GRAND TREES.
4:39:27PM SO WHEN YOU COME ON THE SITE OR YOU'RE COMING TO, YOU KNOW,
4:39:30PM CONSTRUCTION, WE CONSIDER HOW YOU ARE TREATING THAT SITE IN
4:39:34PM RESPECT TO THE CODE.
4:39:35PM SO, YES, YOU ARE WITHIN YOUR BUILDING ENVELOPE OF WHAT YOU
4:39:39PM COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD ON THAT SITE, BUT WE ARE GIVING YOU
4:39:44PM ALLOWANCES WITHIN THE CODE TO MOVE YOUR BUILDING IN ORDER TO
4:39:48PM SAVE THE GRAND TREE.
4:39:49PM AND THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS I JUST HAD IN RESPONSE TO STUFF
4:39:53PM THAT THE LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR THE APPLICANT HAD SAID AND
4:39:57PM TO WHAT THEIR EXPERT WITNESS HAD SAID.
4:40:02PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SURE.
4:40:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE YOU SEEN THIS REPORT BY HILL WARD
4:40:10PM HENDERSON THAT WAS PROVIDED TO COUNCIL?
4:40:15PM >>JAYNE NMADU: NO.
4:40:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN'T REALLY ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
4:40:18PM FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, I GUESS THEIR
4:40:23PM CHIEF COMPLAINT IS SAYING THAT OUR VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
4:40:27PM ERRED ON THE TERMINOLOGY OR THE INTERPRETATION OF REASONABLE
4:40:30PM CONFIGURATION.
4:40:34PM BUT SINCE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN WHAT THEY BRIEFED, I'LL HAVE TO
4:40:37PM WAIT TO COME BACK AND ASK THE QUESTION, BUT YOU CAN COME
4:40:40PM BACK AFTER THAT SINCE YOU HAVE NOT READ WHAT THEY SUBMITTED.
4:40:43PM >>JAYNE NMADU: I TRIED TO ADDRESS PART OF THE QUESTION OF
4:40:45PM REASONABLE CONFIGURATION IN SAYING THAT ONE OF THE THINGS OR
4:40:48PM PART OF WHAT THEY HAD HAD HIGHLIGHTED WAS THE FACT THAT IF
4:40:52PM THEY WERE TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE LAYOUT OF WHAT THEY ARE
4:40:55PM PROPOSING, IT WOULD AFFECT THE INTERNAL FLOW OF THE BUILDING
4:40:59PM OR INTERNAL FLOW OF THE DESIGN.
4:41:01PM I'M SAYING THAT WHAT THAT PART OF THE CODE SAYS IS,
4:41:03PM ADVERSELY ALTER.
4:41:05PM SO IF YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THIS IN A WAY THAT YOU CANNOT
4:41:08PM FUNCTION WITHIN THE BUILDING OR WITHIN THAT DESIGN, YOU
4:41:11PM CANNOT GET FROM YOUR LIVING ROOM TO THE BEDROOM OR, YOU
4:41:14PM KNOW, IT AFFECTS THAT, THEN IT IS ADVERSELY ALTERING THE
4:41:19PM INTERNAL FLOW OF YOUR STRUCTURE.
4:41:20PM THAT WE DON'T SEE BY WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED TO US.
4:41:24PM THE OTHER THING THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES
4:41:27PM TO THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
4:41:30PM YES, THERE ARE LOW-HANGING BRANCHES, BUT NATURAL RESOURCE
4:41:34PM EXPERT CAN SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT YOU CAN HAVE TREE PRUNING
4:41:39PM AND ALL OF THAT THAT WOULD STILL PRESERVE THE TREE AND ALLOW
4:41:42PM THEM TO BUILD WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
4:41:44PM BUT THOSE WERE PART OF THE THINGS THEY MENTIONED REGARDING
4:41:50PM REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION AND STEPHEN CAN ANSWER ANY
4:41:57PM QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF PRUNING THAT
4:42:00PM TREE OR -- I CAN COME BACK UP TO ADDRESS THAT.
4:42:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
4:42:08PM IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE
4:42:11PM REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT.
4:42:14PM FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.
4:42:16PM YES, MA'AM.
4:42:20PM >>JAIME MAIER: I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS FIRST
4:42:22PM THAT WERE SAID BY STAFF.
4:42:26PM THE APPLICANT DID NOT SAY THAT -- ACTUALLY, I THINK I'LL
4:42:30PM HAVE THE APPLICANT HIMSELF SPEAK TO THE ALTERNATIVE
4:42:32PM CONSTRUCTION.
4:42:33PM I WANT TO CLARIFY ACTUALLY A FEW THINGS THAT WERE SAID BY
4:42:36PM EVERYBODY.
4:42:37PM MOBLEY BUILDS A LOT OF HOMES IN THE AREA.
4:42:39PM HE FREQUENTLY BUILDS THEM AROUND GRAND TREES.
4:42:42PM HE DOES THAT.
4:42:44PM THAT IS A FACT.
4:42:46PM AND ALSO, HE IS A BUILDER.
4:42:49PM THERE ARE CONTRACT PURCHASERS THAT COULD BUY THIS HOME.
4:42:52PM THEY LIVE JUST DOWN THE STREET.
4:42:55PM THEY WANT A BIGGER HOME.
4:42:56PM SO FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH, THERE IS A FACE -- THERE IS A
4:43:01PM LIVING HUMAN BEING BUYING THIS WHO LIVES ON THE STREET
4:43:05PM WANTING TO BUY THE HOME FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH.
4:43:08PM AND I THINK IT IS WORTH SOMETHING.
4:43:10PM I'M GOING TO HAVE MR. PETERIKA REITERATE HOW THE CODE
4:43:16PM APPLIES HERE, BUT WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS, AGAIN, NOT
4:43:20PM APPLYING THE REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION ANALYSIS WITH CODE.
4:43:24PM THESE GRAND TREE REMOVAL CASES GET APPROVED A LOT SINCE
4:43:29PM 2019.
4:43:30PM YOU DON'T SEE THEM BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY ARE APPLIED
4:43:33PM CORRECTLY.
4:43:34PM THERE'S TYPICALLY NOT AS MUCH PUBLIC COMMENT, FRANKLY, AS
4:43:38PM THERE WAS AT THIS ONE BECAUSE IT IS EASIER, FRANKLY, TO
4:43:43PM REMOVE THE GRAND TREES NOW UNDER THIS CODE BECAUSE IT IS
4:43:46PM OBJECTIVE.
4:43:47PM THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE.
4:43:48PM AND SAYING THE TRZ IS WHAT DICTATES EVERYTHING, NO.
4:43:52PM THE TRZ IS A WAY TO REMOVE A TREE WITHOUT HAVING TO GET A
4:43:58PM VARIANCE BASED ON A DEFINED AREA OF THE LOT.
4:44:01PM AND THEN THE CODE SAYS, IF THE TREE, WHICH THIS TREE IS
4:44:04PM EIGHT INCHES OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF THE TREE IS OUTSIDE OF THE
4:44:08PM TREE REMOVAL ZONE, OKAY, THEN YOU HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE.
4:44:11PM AND HERE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT YOU APPLY TO GET THAT.
4:44:13PM BASICALLY SAYING, WELL, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR A
4:44:16PM VARIANCE IN ORDER TO REMOVE THIS TREE, THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD
4:44:18PM BE DENIED.
4:44:19PM WHY WOULD WE HAVE THAT AT ALL?
4:44:21PM WHY WOULD THAT PROCESS EXIST?
4:44:23PM THE PROCESS IS THERE IF IT CANNOT BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE
4:44:28PM TRZ.
4:44:29PM MR. PETERIKA, IF WE CAN CLARIFY, AGAIN, THE REASONABLE
4:44:33PM RECONFIGURATION ANALYSIS, CAN YOU JUST READ THE CRITERIA OR
4:44:39PM AT LEAST SUMMARIZE THEM.
4:44:41PM I KNOW THE CRITERIA ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.
4:44:44PM >> RICHARD PETERIKA: AS APPLICABLE TO THIS LOT AS MANY
4:44:50PM LOTS, THE REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION CRITERIA ASKS SOMEONE
4:44:52PM TO TAKE THEIR PROPOSED FOOTPRINT, EITHER, A, SHIFT IT TO THE
4:44:58PM DESIGN EXCEPTION SETBACK, 10% TO THE FRONT OR THE BACK.
4:45:01PM THAT WOULD BE TWO FEET.
4:45:03PM 25% TO THE SIDE, SEVEN FOOT SIDE SETBACKS, MAYBE THERE IS A
4:45:09PM CORNER SETBACK THAT APPLIES.
4:45:10PM BARELY A FOOT AND A HALF.
4:45:13PM THE TREE IS CURRENTLY LOCATED ABOUT SEVEN FEET FROM THE
4:45:21PM PROPERTY LINE AT THE SIDE SETBACK.
4:45:22PM IT'S IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE PROPOSED BUILDING WALL.
4:45:30PM THE TREE TRUNK IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE BUILDING WALL, NOT --
4:45:34PM THE BRANCHES MAY ALSO BE IN CONFLICT, BUT IF WE'RE CUTTING
4:45:38PM OFF AN ARM AT YOUR CHEST, THE ARM IS LESS THE POINT.
4:45:44PM THERE'S NO CHANGE IN STORIES.
4:45:48PM I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY AN ISSUE, EXCEPT THAT BECAUSE OF
4:45:50PM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE, THE CANOPY HAD
4:45:53PM ALREADY BEEN ELEVATED ON THAT SIDE.
4:45:56PM THAT'S NOT REALLY THE POINT BECAUSE THE TREE IS LOCATED IN
4:46:00PM THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
4:46:02PM AND THE BUILDING CAN'T BE SHIFTED TO THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
4:46:06PM THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS
4:46:10PM PROPOSAL, EXCEPT IF IT WAS REDUCED, IT WOULDN'T ACCOMMODATE
4:46:13PM THE TREE ANY BETTER.
4:46:15PM AND THE THIRD PORTION OF THIS SECTION, THE INTERNAL FLOW AND
4:46:19PM FUNCTION, IS NOT ADVERSELY ALTERED.
4:46:21PM MS. NMADU IS RIGHT IN STRESSING THAT POINT.
4:46:25PM IT IS NOT ADVERSELY ALTERED.
4:46:28PM WE'RE STATING IT IS A 30% REDUCTION IN THE HOUSE THAT WAS
4:46:31PM PROPOSED.
4:46:32PM ROOMS AND CIRCULATION ARE LOST BY PRESERVING THE ROOT SYSTEM
4:46:38PM PROVIDED.
4:46:39PM AND IN MY OPINION THAT IS AN ADVERSE ALTERATION TO THE
4:46:44PM INTERNAL FLOW AND FUNCTION OF THE PROPOSAL.
4:46:47PM THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
4:46:47PM THAT'S ALL THE CODE SAYS IN THE SECTION, 27-2,842.5,
4:46:54PM FOOTNOTE 5, II 123.
4:46:58PM THAT'S ALL WE CAN WORK FROM.
4:47:00PM SO I APPRECIATE YOU OFFERING THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF MAKE
4:47:07PM THAT POINT.
4:47:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:47:09PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:47:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
4:47:11PM MR. PETERIKA, YOU ARE VERY COMPETENT IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF
4:47:17PM TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
4:47:17PM I'VE TAKEN ALWAYS YOUR TESTIMONY AS THE EVIDENCE OF A
4:47:20PM PROFESSIONAL, WHICH YOU ARE.
4:47:21PM REPRESENTED BY ONE OF THE HIGHEST ATTORNEY FIRMS, HILL WARD
4:47:26PM HENDERSON.
4:47:27PM I'VE SEEN MANY MOBLEY HOMES BUILT AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY
4:47:30PM GOOD.
4:47:31PM HOWEVER, AFTER LISTENING TO ALL THE TESTIMONY AND LISTENING
4:47:33PM TO EVERYTHING I HEARD, NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THAT IT MIGHT BE
4:47:37PM A HARDSHIP OF A HOUSE, BUT IT WAS A HARDSHIP BEFORE THE
4:47:43PM HOUSE WAS DESIGNED.
4:47:44PM YOU KNOW WHY?
4:47:45PM BECAUSE IT IS A 50-FOOT LOT.
4:47:47PM IF IT WAS A 60-FOOT LOT, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
4:47:50PM AM I RIGHT?
4:47:52PM >>RICHARD PETERIKA: YES, THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT SPACE ON
4:47:55PM THE LOT.
4:47:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M PRETTY LIBERAL ON A LOT OF THINGS,
4:48:01PM BUT WHEN WE COME UP AND SAY A HARDSHIP, IT IS.
4:48:03PM WHO CREATED THE HARDSHIP?
4:48:08PM >>RICHARD PETERIKA: I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER
4:48:11PM THAT.
4:48:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHO CREATED THE HARDSHIP?
4:48:14PM I'M A CRIMINOLOGIST.
4:48:19PM WHO CREATED THE HARDSHIP?
4:48:22PM >>RICHARD PETERIKA: WAS IT A LOT OF RECORD?
4:48:26PM >> YES.
4:48:27PM >>RICHARD PETERIKA: WHEN WAS IT PLATTED?
4:48:28PM 1908.
4:48:31PM THE DEVELOPER THEN SET THIS UP.
4:48:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, SIR.
4:48:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:48:39PM ALL RIGHT.
4:48:42PM THAT CONCLUDES REBUTTAL.
4:48:45PM AT THIS TIME, IS THERE A MOTION, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER
4:48:47PM QUESTIONS, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
4:48:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
4:48:50PM HEARING.
4:48:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER
4:48:52PM HURTAK.
4:48:53PM SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
4:48:54PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:48:55PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
4:48:57PM WE HAVE THREE POSSIBLE ACTIONS, AFFIRM, REMAND, OR OVERTURN.
4:49:01PM DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME?
4:49:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE TO AFFIRM THE VRB'S DECISION TO DENY
4:49:13PM THE VARIANCE REQUESTED IN VRB-22-70 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
4:49:18PM AT 3122 WEST SAN JOSE STREET BECAUSE THE PETITION DOES NOT
4:49:22PM MEET THE CRITERIA IN SECTION 27-284.2.5 F FOR TO REMOVE THE
4:49:29PM GRAND TREE.
4:49:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
4:49:31PM CARLSON.
4:49:32PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:49:37PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
4:49:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
4:49:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
4:49:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
4:49:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
4:49:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
4:49:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
4:49:51PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:49:54PM [ APPLAUSE ]
4:49:55PM MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CITRO BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
4:49:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:49:58PM THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA.
4:50:00PM MR. SHELBY, SINCE WE START AGAIN AT 5:01 P.M., IS THERE A
4:50:03PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE OR JUST WE'RE IN RECESS?
4:50:06PM I'LL LEAVE NEW BUSINESS UNTIL TONIGHT.
4:50:11PM CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
4:50:14PM >> SO MOVED.
4:50:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:50:16PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:50:17PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:50:19PM AYE.
4:50:20PM ALL RIGHT.
4:50:21PM WE ARE IN RECESS -- WELL, THE MEETING IS 5:01.
4:50:25PM IT MAY BE A FEW MINUTES LATER.
4:50:27PM 5:01.
4:50:28PM THANK YOU.
4:50:28PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
4:50:31PM
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